Islands Trust Council community information meeting, July 14, 2025

[0:00:00] Voice 13: Good morning, everyone.

[0:00:04] Voice 19: Thank you for coming to the regularly scheduled business meeting

[0:00:08] Voice 19: for the Luskete Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:10] Voice 19: This is July 14th, 2025.

[0:00:14] Voice 19: And I want to begin the meeting by acknowledging that we are fortunate

[0:00:17] Voice 19: to be able to gather in locations across the traditional territories

[0:00:22] Voice 19: of the Coast Salish peoples here on Waiete, Luskete Island.

[0:00:27] Voice 19: We respectfully acknowledge we are working in the territories of the Smanahas First Nation,

[0:00:32] Voice 19: Comox First Nation, Qualicum First Nation, and the Treaty Territory of the Tla'anam Nation.

[0:00:39] Voice 19: I'm Toby Elliott. I'm elected on Gabriola Island and the chair of the Liskiti Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:45] Voice 19: I'm joined today by our Liskiti Island trustees, Tim Peterson, and online by Mikayla Laroni.

[0:00:53] Voice 19: I'm going to say hello. Let us know you're there, Mikayla. You can hear us okay?

[0:00:56] Voice 19: Okay. Dropped. Looks like our connection just dropped.

[0:01:05] Voice 19: I'm

[0:01:06] Voice 25: here. Sorry, having some serious issues this morning with technology, but trying to be here.

[0:01:11] Voice 25: Oh, excellent.

[0:01:12] Voice 19: We can hear you loud and clear. Thank you, Trusted Learning.

[0:01:15] Voice 19: And together, we three make up the Liscutee Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:01:20] Voice 19: And I briefly saw online, Director Fall, are you still with us?

[0:01:25] Voice 1: I am with you.

[0:01:26] Voice 1: Hello,

[0:01:27] Voice 19: Director Andrew Fall of the CAFET Regional District Electoral Area E. Welcome, Andrew.

[0:01:34] Voice 19: We have staff members joining us today. In the background with support is Rene Jemarat, our Regional Planning Manager, who may come online to speak about the minor project briefing.

[0:01:47] Voice 19: briefing and we're joined in the room by planner Stephen Ball and our co-op planning student Brie

[0:01:55] Voice 19: Dinsdale. Brie Dinsdale thanks for coming with us today. Yes

[0:02:02] Voice 19: and we'll be joined by

[0:02:05] Voice 19: Lisa Govro the ITC Islands Trust Conservancy Chair for the third item sorry fourth item in the reports

[0:02:14] Voice 19: Islands Trust Conservancy report and our minute taker and meeting facilitator is Lisa Millard

[0:02:20] Voice 19: thank you again for joining us so this meeting is being live streamed and recorded for those who

[0:02:27] Voice 19: are unable to attend in person today the recording will be available on the Islands Trust website

[0:02:32] Voice 19: within the next few days all meetings are recorded and can be viewed on the meeting pages

[0:02:38] Voice 19: pages. And just a note that recording of meetings by members of the public, a member of the public

[0:02:45] Voice 19: can record public meetings, but we ask that you inform the chair of the meeting before you begin

[0:02:51] Voice 19: recording. The chair can then inform everyone present that it will be personally recorded.

[0:02:57] Voice 19: If a member of the public is uncomfortable being recorded while they are speaking, the chair may

[0:03:02] Voice 19: then require that the person recording temporarily stop the recording but nothing prohibits one from

[0:03:09] Voice 19: recording this meeting this meeting is an official forum for your local trust committee to make

[0:03:16] Voice 19: decisions about land use planning matters and discuss relevant business in our agenda we have

[0:03:23] Voice 19: time at the town hall for your opportunity to speak we want to hear your questions and comments

[0:03:31] Voice 19: at that time so we'll be discussing various topics and making decisions in our in our

[0:03:37] Voice 19: regular business meeting and your questions and comments are valued and help us make good

[0:03:43] Voice 19: decisions so with that we'll move to approve the agenda is there any changes or amendments

[0:03:53] Voice 19: to the agenda nope so we'll take it by general consent that the agenda be approved

[0:03:58] Voice 19: approved and we will move into our reports section 4.1 we hear from local trustee reports

[0:04:05] Voice 19: who would like to go first i'll

[0:04:12] Voice 26: go ahead um so in trust council business uh in june we had our

[0:04:18] Voice 26: trust council meeting on salt spring island um trust council is reviewing a draft of a new policy

[0:04:26] Voice 26: at a special electronic meeting scheduled for July 29th

[0:04:32] Voice 26: to consider first reading of the new policy statement.

[0:04:38] Voice 26: Also in June, trust council adopted by-law number 197,

[0:04:43] Voice 26: the local trust committee meeting procedures by-law

[0:04:47] Voice 26: with the intention to bring efficiency

[0:04:50] Voice 26: to local trust committee meetings

[0:04:52] Voice 26: and thereby the trust council meeting procedures

[0:04:57] Voice 26: by-law now supersedes our local procedures by-law.

[0:05:02] Voice 26: I know the chair will probably give more on that in a bit.

[0:05:06] Voice 26: Also the strategic plan was amended to include an initiative

[0:05:11] Voice 26: to work with Indigenous Governing Bodies to co-design

[0:05:14] Voice 26: and implement future policy statement amendment

[0:05:16] Voice 26: review processes that ensure ongoing and more regular review

[0:05:20] Voice 26: and amendment of the policy statement.

[0:05:22] Voice 26: policy statement is the overarching document from trust council mandated by the province

[0:05:29] Voice 26: which sets directives and other policies for local trust committees and therefore in some

[0:05:39] Voice 26: ways you could imagine it as the ocp for the entire trust area so it's an important document

[0:05:46] Voice 26: There will be, assuming that the, that Trust Council chooses to give first reading in July,

[0:05:53] Voice 26: then there'll be a public six-month engagement, public engagement process.

[0:05:57] Voice 26: And when that all happens, I'll make sure you all hear about it.

[0:06:05] Voice 26: So I just wanted to share some reflections about our meetings here.

[0:06:12] Voice 26: And what I want to share is, I think it's perfectly reasonable to disagree with decisions

[0:06:17] Voice 26: of committee members, but what I absolutely disagree with

[0:06:22] Voice 26: is resorting to ad hominem attacks.

[0:06:25] Voice 26: A personal commentary on any aspect of any individual

[0:06:29] Voice 26: isn't germane to the issues other consideration

[0:06:32] Voice 26: by this local trust committee.

[0:06:34] Voice 26: To malign persons involved in decision making processes

[0:06:37] Voice 26: to me avoids the more difficult questions,

[0:06:41] Voice 26: which are what is the best decision and why?

[0:06:44] Voice 26: Can a compelling argument be made to change specifics

[0:06:47] Voice 26: or advance an application or a bylaw.

[0:06:52] Voice 26: I believe we should be able to disagree

[0:06:55] Voice 26: without attempting to deflect by making things personal.

[0:06:59] Voice 26: I would also assert that getting wrapped up

[0:07:02] Voice 26: in the particulars of any committee members

[0:07:03] Voice 26: personal circumstance generally has zero relevance

[0:07:06] Voice 26: to any decision at hand.

[0:07:10] Voice 26: So despite the fact that I made a motion

[0:07:12] Voice 26: concerning the dock application at our last meeting

[0:07:14] Voice 26: and it was defeated,

[0:07:15] Voice 26: and despite the fact that the motion proceeded

[0:07:17] Voice 26: to proceed no further was carried without my vote,

[0:07:22] Voice 26: I want to voice my support for the process.

[0:07:25] Voice 26: Democracy, such as it is, is a messy process,

[0:07:29] Voice 26: and when opinions are sharply divided,

[0:07:31] Voice 26: the decisions that we are asked to make are not made lightly.

[0:07:36] Voice 26: When I reflect on those votes, I disagree, but I hold no animosity.

[0:07:41] Voice 26: On the contrary, the lesson that I take from a situation

[0:07:44] Voice 26: where my opinion did not carry the day

[0:07:47] Voice 26: is that I did not frame or elaborate my arguments in such a way as to successfully sway the votes

[0:07:53] Voice 26: of my fellow trustees. The decisions made by each member of this committee, I believe, reflect

[0:07:58] Voice 26: consideration of the information available, our best understanding of the opinions of the residents

[0:08:03] Voice 26: and landowners, our official community plan and land use bylaws, the Island Trust Policy Statement

[0:08:09] Voice 26: and our unique preserve and protect mandate, which is enshrined in provincial legislation.

[0:08:15] Voice 26: And so, therefore, I heartily enjoin you all to consider that despite the fact that we might disagree on specific issues, we all deserve to be treated with respect, regardless of our role in the community.

[0:08:30] Voice 26: Thank you.

[0:08:34] Voice 19: Thank you, Trustee Peterson.

[0:08:36] Voice 19: Trustee Larone, do you have a report for us today?

[0:08:39] Voice 25: Yes, I do.

[0:08:40] Voice 25: Are you hearing me all right?

[0:08:41] Voice 19: Yes, we do.

[0:08:42] Voice 19: Loud and clear.

[0:08:42] Voice 19: Thanks.

[0:08:43] Voice 25: Fantastic.

[0:08:43] Voice 25: fantastic well tim has given a really um fulsome report there but i can definitely add a few things

[0:08:51] Voice 25: um i just wanted to um talk about how at trust council we also talked about meeting conduct and

[0:08:59] Voice 25: not only meeting conduct of attendees but meeting conduct of participants now that's not as

[0:09:04] Voice 25: important for a small meeting like this with only three or four attendees um like trustees and

[0:09:11] Voice 25: planner etc um but it's all important as and even even within community meetings and larger island

[0:09:20] Voice 25: trust meetings that we all allow time and energy for other people's thoughts and keep ourselves in

[0:09:27] Voice 25: check even when it's you know a contentious issue which on small islands it often is and i just want

[0:09:33] Voice 25: to echo what tim said that i mean as elected officials we sign up for you know robust debate

[0:09:39] Voice 25: debate and you know some criticism and i understand that but some of the experiences that i've had in

[0:09:47] Voice 25: this public forum you know it becomes almost harassment this there's um my people post

[0:09:54] Voice 25: demeaning humiliating and intimidating things and threats and coming from luskedia small community i

[0:10:02] Voice 25: wasn't really expecting i expected people you know know me know my family know how long i've lived

[0:10:07] Voice 25: out there and would also treat our off-island trustee with same respect and also tim or i'm

[0:10:14] Voice 25: sorry trustee peterson um and i just wanted to lastly i just wanted to say that you know

[0:10:19] Voice 25: to think that any of us um any of us the trustees make our decisions without seriously thinking

[0:10:28] Voice 25: about it without really contemplating how it's going to affect the island for good or for worse

[0:10:33] Voice 25: is like it's i mean it's not to not put too strong a point it's insulting like i agonize over every

[0:10:40] Voice 25: decision that i make on behalf of the community because i know i was elected by the community

[0:10:44] Voice 25: to represent the community so without getting ranty i'll end there but um thank you everybody

[0:10:52] Voice 25: for coming it looks like there is a crowd today i think um so that's great thank you for all

[0:10:58] Voice 25: participating in the process on to you thank

[0:11:04] Voice 19: you trustee laroni uh trustee peterson stole

[0:11:09] Voice 19: all my notes there no no worries um so trust council uh in june as uh as you stated we had

[0:11:18] Voice 19: some great speakers jared questenahan williams who is of the cowlitz and tribes um cowlitz and

[0:11:26] Voice 19: Nation came to speak about Indigenous foods and relation to policy, how we can enact policy to

[0:11:34] Voice 19: protect the food sources and food gatherings that have been used by Indigenous people here in the

[0:11:41] Voice 19: Coast Salish area and the island since time immemorial. And he left us with a really

[0:11:49] Voice 19: interesting thought because we're constantly seeking guidance from Indigenous elders and

[0:11:55] Voice 19: And how can we live in a better way and make our decisions in a way that respects everyone's views here in the land?

[0:12:03] Voice 19: And he suggested to create an elders advisory.

[0:12:06] Voice 19: And so I've been mulling that over and wondering if that might be something Trust Council will undertake as an elders advisory council.

[0:12:18] Voice 19: Rob Botterell, who is the MLA for the Southern Gulf Islands, also made a presentation.

[0:12:23] Voice 19: uh he had several good points to make uh particularly in regards to the policy statement

[0:12:29] Voice 19: uh he suggested that we take the time that it needs um everyone's going to respond to the policy

[0:12:37] Voice 19: statement differently and particularly in regards to the 31 nations that we are um we're working

[0:12:45] Voice 19: within their territory it's quite a process to draft a visionary document that can set

[0:12:53] Voice 19: some new ways of understanding in how land use planning can be done that still respects

[0:13:01] Voice 19: the individual nations in whose territories we work. But the consultation also involves

[0:13:08] Voice 19: our communities and LTCs and so that's why Islands Trust Council decided to give six months

[0:13:14] Voice 19: months of time. So from the time of first reading, which just means here is a draft that council

[0:13:22] Voice 19: feels somewhat confident in. We've been working on it for a year and a half. I think it's been

[0:13:28] Voice 19: 16 meetings or more to revise and refine and get, you know, asking staff, okay, what's this

[0:13:36] Voice 19: local government doing in regards to wildfire? What's the best practice in regards to these

[0:13:42] Voice 19: policies for protecting against you know or mitigating this kind of disaster um and so we've

[0:13:49] Voice 19: taken all that input in and this is the best draft that council feels confident in and now we need to

[0:13:56] Voice 19: hear from community and other agencies so that's what first reading means it just means here's a

[0:14:02] Voice 19: draft now everybody else tell us what you think about it so that is going to be coming this summer

[0:14:07] Voice 19: and fall and yeah like trustee peterson said you'll have ample opportunity to weigh in and

[0:14:16] Voice 19: give your perspectives and comments we really do want to hear from everyone that's it for my

[0:14:22] Voice 19: chair's report um director fall do you have a report you'd like to share with us today uh yes

[0:14:28] Voice 1: i do a short one thank you very much i'd like to start by expressing appreciation for the comments

[0:14:34] Voice 1: on conduct by Trustees Peterson and Laroni.

[0:14:38] Voice 1: From the regional district's point of view,

[0:14:40] Voice 1: we strive to, we set a bar very high for regional directors.

[0:14:45] Voice 1: So the board itself must have a higher standard

[0:14:50] Voice 1: than we expect of the public.

[0:14:52] Voice 1: So we actually have a code of conduct

[0:14:55] Voice 1: that every director has to sign.

[0:14:57] Voice 1: So we worked on this with a consultant,

[0:14:59] Voice 1: former mayor of North Cowichan,

[0:15:01] Voice 1: and we really set a high bar for our conduct and then we embed that in our procedure bylaw so our

[0:15:08] Voice 1: procedure bylaw says that not only do the board have to meet decorum standards but the the public

[0:15:15] Voice 1: are expected so we we do also expect public to uphold respect and dignity and and and decorum

[0:15:23] Voice 1: in meetings and outside meetings and we hold ourselves to a higher standard but we then

[0:15:28] Voice 1: then also require that of the public.

[0:15:30] Voice 1: And along those lines, we recently had the Justice Institute.

[0:15:36] Voice 1: We had an in-person session with a member of the Justice Institute of BC

[0:15:40] Voice 1: on communication and conduct, and it was very good.

[0:15:44] Voice 1: It was a day-long session and highly regarded.

[0:15:47] Voice 1: It was excellent, a very good way to learn about not just how to communicate better,

[0:15:53] Voice 1: but the impact of of words and and body language and so on on how we communicate so we don't

[0:15:59] Voice 1: you know escalate we de-escalate and we can communicate our ideas in a uh an open transparent

[0:16:05] Voice 1: way without without causing uh you know problems and right you know increasing the chance that we

[0:16:12] Voice 1: have communication breakdowns uh the only other things i'd like to comment on are um you know we

[0:16:17] Voice 1: I've written about this in my monthly report, but the board will be bringing in new garbage chipping fees.

[0:16:25] Voice 1: So we have our waste, our residual waste leaves the island by the ramp, by barge.

[0:16:32] Voice 1: And the board has reviewed the costs of that and are revising those.

[0:16:40] Voice 1: Now, with a lot of effort on my behalf, but also on my alternate director's behalf,

[0:16:46] Voice 1: half because she had to attend one of the meetings in my stead we've kept the we tried to keep the

[0:16:50] Voice 1: garbage tipping fees uh modest so 750 a bag even though in Powell River it's five dollars a bag

[0:16:57] Voice 1: the that does not come anywhere close to the actual cost of dealing with waste so our waste

[0:17:03] Voice 1: and this is something for the island our waste has to travel from Laskete up to Powell River

[0:17:07] Voice 1: transferred onto a larger barge down to the Fraser River up the Fraser River onto a train

[0:17:12] Voice 1: rain down to Washington State and into eastern Washington State up a mountain into a landfill.

[0:17:18] Voice 1: Our only other option would be to do the same thing and keep it in BC and go to Cache Creek. So

[0:17:23] Voice 1: that is the process for our waste. And it's very long. And the only way to keep the cost down

[0:17:29] Voice 1: and the environmental impact of moving garbage around is less. So it'd be nice to see our

[0:17:35] Voice 1: Are zero waste goals being closer to being met?

[0:17:40] Voice 1: They unfortunately are not.

[0:17:42] Voice 1: In my mind, I think we're still producing way too much residual waste, but it's for the public.

[0:17:47] Voice 1: So the fees have to reflect as close as possible to the costs with a balance that we can't overcharge because otherwise people won't use the service.

[0:17:57] Voice 1: Along that line, the regional district received a National Municipal Environmental Leadership and Sustainability Award from the Canadian Association of Municipal Administrators for the Resource Recovery Centre.

[0:18:09] Voice 1: So the regional district over the past five or six years has restored, cleaned up an old landfill site that was really full of really awful stuff, fly ash and so on from incineration that was there and all sorts of other garbage.

[0:18:24] Voice 1: cleaned it up restored the forest turned part of into a park and trail it's a resource recovery

[0:18:29] Voice 1: center transfer station reuse recycling so it's actually really great and it's been in

[0:18:33] Voice 1: full operation now for at least the last eight months most of this year and that's really great

[0:18:40] Voice 1: and we got recognition from that preserving some forest that's used for filtration going

[0:18:46] Voice 1: going into a salmon stream. So it's really an excellent site. And lastly, like the LTC travels

[0:18:54] Voice 1: to Luskete, I'll be traveling up to Area B once a year. We do a meeting in one of the electoral

[0:19:00] Voice 1: areas. It was in Luskete a year or two ago, and we'll be going up to Area B, which is south of

[0:19:06] Voice 1: Powell River, Myrtle Point area, and having our August meeting there on the road. And with that,

[0:19:13] Voice 1: i'll conclude thank you very much for the time thank

[0:19:17] Voice 19: you director fall and thank you for being

[0:19:19] Voice 19: in attendance today we always uh are grateful for your input and um welcome your comments and

[0:19:25] Voice 19: it's great to have some interagency cooperation and the information going back and forth

[0:19:32] Voice 19: good cooperation and here we are joined by our itc chair so islands chess trust conservancy chair

[0:19:39] Voice 19: Chair Lisa Govro has joined us today for a bit of a special presentation.

[0:19:44] Voice 19: This is item four in our reports section of the agenda.

[0:19:48] Voice 19: So I'll turn it over to you, Chair Govro.

[0:19:51] Voice 24: Thank you. Good morning, Laskini. Thanks for having me.

[0:19:56] Voice 24: I am joining you from Galliano Island, excuse me,

[0:20:00] Voice 24: Corte Repertory to the Penelope tribe.

[0:20:03] Voice 24: This is where I serve as a trustee, local trustee,

[0:20:06] Voice 24: and I'm the chair of the Island's Trust Conservancy.

[0:20:09] Voice 24: It's been a busy and meaningful few months at the Conservancy.

[0:20:14] Voice 24: We'll share a few highlights from our most recent board meeting and some of the broader

[0:20:20] Voice 24: work that we're doing across the region.

[0:20:22] Voice 24: This year, the Island Trust Conservancy is celebrating 35 years of conservation in the

[0:20:28] Voice 24: Trust Area, and we like to take this time to reflect on what this work has meant, not

[0:20:33] Voice 24: just in terms of protecting places, but also in terms of building relationships and partnerships

[0:20:38] Voice 24: and trusts over the time. Working with people and communities, the

[0:20:44] Voice 24: Islands Trust Conservancy has been entrusted to protect 115 private

[0:20:48] Voice 24: properties totaling over 1380 hectares through 81 conservation

[0:20:55] Voice 24: covenants and through donations of nature reserves. To mark our anniversary

[0:21:01] Voice 24: we've launched a campaign last January with a media release followed by a

[0:21:06] Voice 24: social media campaign that has so far reached 40,000 people. There are print ads and local

[0:21:11] Voice 24: newspapers across the islands and those will continue throughout the year. And at June Trust

[0:21:17] Voice 24: Council in Salt Spring, we hosted a slideshow presentation and joined cupcakes. We also launched

[0:21:24] Voice 24: a journal, our online blog sharing deeper stories of conservation. There are 10 blog posts up

[0:21:31] Voice 24: up already and includes features on species at risk,

[0:21:35] Voice 24: donor contributions and the two stories

[0:21:38] Voice 24: that are directly linked to the 35th anniversary.

[0:21:43] Voice 24: Our Heron newsletter also launched in the spring

[0:21:46] Voice 24: and has reached over 800 subscribers

[0:21:49] Voice 24: and it's 150 organizations and households.

[0:21:52] Voice 24: We're planning to present at fall fairs

[0:21:55] Voice 24: and local events across the islands in August and September.

[0:21:58] Voice 24: and we're making a point to get out there and meet people where they are but by far the most

[0:22:04] Voice 24: exciting news recently you may have seen in a news release is the islands trust conservancy

[0:22:09] Voice 24: has received a 1.15 million dollar donation to support our work in the trust area this is one

[0:22:17] Voice 24: of the largest private donations in our history and it'll support both acquisition and long-term

[0:22:23] Voice 24: care of protected places. The generosity of this anonymous donor reflects not only a love for these

[0:22:29] Voice 24: islands, but also the deep trust in our mission of voluntary partnership conservation and our vision

[0:22:36] Voice 24: of a network of protected places and preserved in perpetuity. Of the total donation, one million

[0:22:44] Voice 24: will be dedicated to the Islands Trust Conservancy's Opportunity Fund, a fund used to raise financial

[0:22:50] Voice 24: support for hard to fundraise for costs associated with land protection or stewardship projects.

[0:22:57] Voice 24: Over the last 20 years since its creation, the donations to the Opportunity Fund have helped

[0:23:03] Voice 24: support and protect ecologically and culturally significant areas to the land value of over

[0:23:10] Voice 24: $69 million. The donor also allocated, excuse me, an additional $157,300 to the Island Trust

[0:23:22] Voice 24: Conservancy's Property Management Fund, which is going to support ongoing care for protected areas

[0:23:28] Voice 24: that have been entrusted to the Conservancy. This includes land management activities such as

[0:23:35] Voice 24: removal of invasive species, restoration for ecosystems, trail maintenance on nature reserves.

[0:23:42] Voice 24: I sincerely thank, we sincerely thank Ardely to this anonymous donor. At our May board meeting,

[0:23:53] Voice 24: we supported a motion to begin work on a formal agreement with the SARTLIP and the SACIM First

[0:23:59] Voice 24: Nations through the WSENIC Leadership Council Society. This follows a similar direction that

[0:24:04] Voice 24: was given to staff by the executive committee the intent is to develop a clear respectful and

[0:24:10] Voice 24: mutually beneficial working relationship focused on areas of conservation within the conservancy's

[0:24:16] Voice 24: jurisdiction there was a discussion of a discussion on whether this agreement should proceed through

[0:24:22] Voice 24: the wasanic lands conservancy society which our staff already have a strong connection with

[0:24:27] Voice 24: staff will be working with legal counsel as this agreement takes shape and a meeting is planned

[0:24:33] Voice 24: with the WSANIC leadership later this summer to discuss next steps. This is a significant piece

[0:24:40] Voice 24: of work and one that we are approaching with care. We're currently navigating a few staffing

[0:24:47] Voice 24: transitions. We've welcomed Carly Ashton as our co-op student, assisting with field work and

[0:24:54] Voice 24: ecological monitoring this summer. And our administrative assistant position is vacant

[0:24:59] Voice 24: after Coraline Strachan moved on to an executive support role.

[0:25:04] Voice 24: Recruitment is underway for that, and congratulations to Coraline.

[0:25:08] Voice 24: We're hiring a team lead, a protective area of management,

[0:25:12] Voice 24: to provide support to the property management team

[0:25:14] Voice 24: and also help support the manager.

[0:25:17] Voice 24: Interviews are in progress,

[0:25:19] Voice 24: and communications specialist Michaela Yanni

[0:25:22] Voice 24: has resigned to pursue her educational goals.

[0:25:25] Voice 24: Recruitment for that role will begin shortly,

[0:25:27] Voice 24: And a big thank you to Michaela for her excellent contributions in our communications work.

[0:25:33] Voice 24: Despite these transitions, the ITC staff is doing a remarkable job keeping the work moving forward.

[0:25:41] Voice 24: Also, from our May meeting, we approved our contribution to the NRO report, which has now been approved by Trust Council and submitted to the Minister.

[0:25:49] Voice 24: And on Gabriola, we support infrastructure upgrades for a provincial groundwater monitoring well on Elder Cedar Nature Reserve.

[0:26:01] Voice 24: And this will lead to negotiating a new access agreement with the province and with covenant holders.

[0:26:07] Voice 24: And also the board unanimously passed a motion directing staff to prepare the 2026-27 budget request.

[0:26:16] Voice 24: quest and we're all sorry all right um well as always our work is rooted in relationships

[0:26:23] Voice 24: with landholders communities indigenous nations and with all of you as we mark our 35 years of

[0:26:30] Voice 24: conservation we're looking ahead uh the next 35 years will no doubt bring challenges but it'll

[0:26:36] Voice 24: also bring opportunities to do more meaningful work together thank you for inviting me to speak

[0:26:43] Voice 24: speak today. And I'm always happy to get the opportunity to share work, share the work of

[0:26:48] Voice 24: the Alliance Trust Conservancy. Thank

[0:26:51] Voice 19: you. Thank you, Lisa. We have a big, large group of the

[0:26:59] Voice 19: members of the public here today. So everyone is very grateful for the Conservancy's work. And

[0:27:05] Voice 19: thanks for being here with us today. My pleasure. Have a great meeting, everyone.

[0:27:08] Voice 19: one thank you take care okay uh so with that we'll move into section five which is our town hall

[0:27:20] Voice 19: and just forgive me i'm going to go through a little bit of a preamble because we're in an

[0:27:25] Voice 19: in-between stage uh as trustee peterson mentioned uh the new meeting procedure bylaw that trust

[0:27:33] Voice 19: council passed actually supersedes all local trust committee meeting procedure bylaws and so

[0:27:41] Voice 19: we have later in the agenda the business to repeal the old bylaw and there's just one change

[0:27:47] Voice 19: in the uh regarding public participation um that i'll probably ask for the local trust committee's

[0:27:57] Voice 19: agreement that we go with the old meeting procedure bylaw for this because we haven't actually

[0:28:03] Voice 19: adopted the new one yet if that makes any sense um yes

[0:28:08] Voice 26: sorry chair my understanding from director

[0:28:12] Voice 26: of legislative services is that our um local meeting procedures bylaw is superseded yes

[0:28:20] Voice 26: was superseded by the adoption so um i'm certainly willing to hear any yeah you know any any variants

[0:28:28] Voice 26: that might help with the public participation period,

[0:28:32] Voice 26: but

[0:28:32] Voice 22: it's

[0:28:34] Voice 26: actually a done deal.

[0:28:37] Voice 26: And so at this point,

[0:28:38] Voice 26: our Laskiti meeting procedures bylaw

[0:28:41] Voice 26: is an appendage that has no value in law anymore.

[0:28:45] Voice 19: And yet it still has to be repealed.

[0:28:47] Voice 19: What I'm saying is the expectations of the public

[0:28:50] Voice 19: would be that the old meeting procedure bylaw

[0:28:54] Voice 19: so the only thing that has changed

[0:28:56] Voice 19: is that members of the public can speak on other topics

[0:29:00] Voice 19: that are not under just the jurisdiction

[0:29:02] Voice 19: of the local trust committee.

[0:29:04] Voice 19: So your old meeting procedure bylaw, for instance,

[0:29:08] Voice 19: all the items from 34 to 39 are exactly the same,

[0:29:13] Voice 19: except for 37.

[0:29:16] Voice 19: So the old meeting procedure bylaw said

[0:29:19] Voice 19: subjects must relate directly strictly to matters

[0:29:22] Voice 19: under the jurisdiction of the local trust committee

[0:29:24] Voice 19: or items within the jurisdiction of the Islands Trust Council

[0:29:28] Voice 19: unless the Local Trust Committee waives this requirement

[0:29:31] Voice 19: by majority consent.

[0:29:33] Voice 19: And then 40 is not included in the new meeting procedures bylaw,

[0:29:38] Voice 19: which is the order of priority in which speakers will be heard

[0:29:41] Voice 19: during the duration of the public participation period

[0:29:44] Voice 19: will be determined as follows.

[0:29:45] Voice 19: First, those addressing items on the Local Trust Committee agenda.

[0:29:49] Voice 19: Second, those addressing items under the jurisdiction

[0:29:51] Voice 19: of the Local Trust Committee.

[0:29:52] Voice 19: committee, and third, those addressing items within the jurisdiction of the Items Trust

[0:29:57] Voice 19: Council.

[0:29:57] Voice 10: And those have been super easy.

[0:30:00] Voice 19: the current meeting procedures bylaw that is adopted by Islands Trust Council stipulates that

[0:30:08] Voice 19: subjects must relate strictly to matters under the jurisdiction of the local trust committee

[0:30:12] Voice 19: which I think it's pretty safe to assume everybody's here to speak to matters under

[0:30:17] Voice 19: the jurisdiction of this local trust committee but I'm just looking for agreement from the local

[0:30:23] Voice 19: trust committee if somebody wants to speak on a matter pertaining to trust council they can do so

[0:30:29] Voice 19: and we'll waive that restriction and the second point which is consistent between the two bylaws

[0:30:36] Voice 19: is the public participation period is limited to 15 minutes in duration that we can extend this

[0:30:44] Voice 19: by a majority vote of the local trust committee members present so in both the bylaws the new one

[0:30:50] Voice 19: that's enacted today and your current one public participation period is actually limited to 15

[0:30:57] Voice 19: minutes and so at the 15 minute point we'll have a vote whether to extend it um and the the other

[0:31:06] Voice 19: thing that's consistent is each member of the public may have three minutes to address the

[0:31:11] Voice 19: local trust committee and so we've got a lot of people here today so i'm guessing it's going to

[0:31:16] Voice 19: go beyond 15 minutes um planner our co-op planner will do the timer for three minutes and so if you

[0:31:23] Voice 19: you can give a little hand signal at 30 seconds before three minutes so that people can wrap up

[0:31:29] Voice 19: their comments. That would be great. And so after that long preamble, sorry. And so just to note

[0:31:42] Voice 19: that, again, this is your opportunity to speak. Anything that we make decisions on is relevant.

[0:31:48] Voice 19: We want to hear your comments. Please direct your comments to us, the LTC, the decision makers,

[0:31:54] Voice 19: not to staff if we have a question that we need staff to answer we'll ask them

[0:31:59] Voice 19: speak about issues not about other individuals if you've heard something on hot wire or somebody

[0:32:05] Voice 19: else has said something in community you just want to represent your own point of view what

[0:32:10] Voice 19: do you think and what do you want to tell us that's important for us to know and be clear

[0:32:15] Voice 19: concise and respectful this is a place of employment and despite the fact that some of

[0:32:21] Voice 19: our staff are in their homes or at other offices everyone has a right to a safe and respectful

[0:32:26] Voice 19: workplace so with that i'll open the floor and we'll i'll ask everyone to raise your hands if

[0:32:32] Voice 19: you want to speak during the town hall unless you want to well i

[0:32:38] Voice 26: just wondered if you wanted to

[0:32:39] Voice 26: have um put section 43 on the topics to a vote before we open the town hall or

[0:32:48] Voice 20: by majority vote because

[0:32:50] Voice 26: it does say by a vote so i would assume that motion would have to be made

[0:32:55] Voice 26: well

[0:32:55] Voice 19: i think what we can do is yeah i was operating on the assumption that everybody

[0:33:01] Voice 19: would probably want to speak to local trust committee um items if you want to speak about

[0:33:07] Voice 19: something that trust council should address i would ask you to wait till the end let's deal

[0:33:13] Voice 19: with local trust committee stuff first and then if you want to speak about trust council we'll go

[0:33:18] Voice 19: for another round and we'll have a vote at that time does that sound good okay so folks who want

[0:33:24] Voice 19: to address the local trust committee please raise your hand and we'll go and order from one end of

[0:33:28] Voice 19: the room to the other so i see you two three four five six seven eight okay great so is it okay if

[0:33:41] Voice 19: we start at this end of the room and move that way and please use the microphone so everyone can hear

[0:33:45] Voice 19: you okay

[0:33:46] Voice 28: oh and

[0:33:55] Voice 19: please state your uh oh again following the the bylaw you need to state your

[0:34:01] Voice 19: first and last name sorry and the topic

[0:34:06] Voice 19: yeah so state your name and the topic involved please

[0:34:10] Voice 19: Okay.

[0:34:11] Voice 6: Is it possible I could yield my turn to someone else and then get my turn later?

[0:34:16] Voice 6: Yeah.

[0:34:16] Voice 6: Is that okay? I'm going to yield mine to Gwen Bixby over here.

[0:34:27] Voice 12: I'm going to talk loudly and not use the microphone.

[0:34:33] Voice 12: Use

[0:34:33] Voice 30: the microphone because we saw more people.

[0:34:35] Voice 12: Okay. Good morning. I'm Alina Svenditsky, and I would like my comments to be part of the record.

[0:34:47] Voice 12: But I

[0:34:49] Voice 25: understand...

[0:34:51] Voice 12: Sorry to

[0:34:51] Voice 25: interrupt. I can't hear anything.

[0:34:54] Voice 12: Just hold that button.

[0:34:56] Voice 12: No, just hold it.

[0:34:58] Voice 12: I understand the OCP review began in 2018.

[0:35:03] Voice 12: Being that it is now 25, 2025, when can we expect it to be completed, and he asked the

[0:35:13] Voice 12: private dock issue he added to the review.

[0:35:17] Voice 12: That's my first question.

[0:35:19] Voice 12: My second question is, who has an off-island share of any Islands Trust local trust committee

[0:35:31] Voice 12: ever initiated a motion that contradicted a local trustee's motion in 46 years before

[0:35:41] Voice 12: your last meeting? I will quickly throw in some background if it's necessary, if anyone wants me

[0:35:50] Voice 12: to. It has been recorded and witnessed that at the last LPC meetings, the off-island chair

[0:36:01] Voice 12: voted against the only local trustee. In order to ensure that her vote prevailed, the chair

[0:36:10] Voice 12: suddenly and unilaterally recessed the meeting for 20 minutes to allow trustee Laroni to

[0:36:19] Voice 12: To figure out how to reverse what she had literally just

[0:36:23] Voice 19: spoken out loud.

[0:36:24] Voice 19: I'm sorry, ma'am, but I must object.

[0:36:26] Voice 19: You cannot infer that somebody else is making a decision for them.

[0:36:32] Voice 19: That's what happened.

[0:36:33] Voice 19: Yeah.

[0:36:34] Voice 12: Can

[0:36:34] Voice 19: you speak to your own experience?

[0:36:37] Voice 19: Not so, not what other people, what you infer from someone else.

[0:36:41] Voice 12: All right.

[0:36:42] Voice 12: After the recess, the two off-island trustees voted against the only trustee who lives on

[0:36:48] Voice 12: on island, then the chair moved to proceed no further

[0:36:51] Voice 12: with the application of the carried off.

[0:36:53] Voice 12: The two off island trustees outvoted

[0:36:57] Voice 12: the only local trustee again.

[0:37:00] Voice 12: Thank you very much.

[0:37:01] Voice 12: Thank you.

[0:37:07] Voice 14: Yes.

[0:37:10] Voice 14: Did

[0:37:10] Voice 5: you want the-

[0:37:11] Voice 26: There was two questions there.

[0:37:13] Voice 19: Yeah.

[0:37:15] Voice 19: So the first question was the OCP review

[0:37:18] Voice 19: was initiated in 2018, it's now 2025.

[0:37:20] Voice 19: 25, when can we expect it to be completed?

[0:37:23] Voice 19: Would you like an answer?

[0:37:34] Voice 10: I

[0:37:34] Voice 12: don't know if you want to start it or.

[0:37:38] Voice 26: There's nothing I know that you don't know

[0:37:40] Voice 26: about the completion date, but I could be there.

[0:37:43] Voice 26: So we

[0:37:44] Voice 19: are discussing the next steps

[0:37:46] Voice 19: for the OCP review in this meeting.

[0:37:48] Voice 19: Typically, an OCP review that is more than a targeted review, we're looking at three

[0:37:58] Voice 19: years right now for Gabriel, that was started in 2023, however, a lot of the work was done

[0:38:08] Voice 19: by this community.

[0:38:09] Voice 19: 2018, I understand there was a lot of Mesquite meetings by the Mesquite Community Association,

[0:38:15] Voice 19: association vision statement was made and then our planner bought went through the draft OCP

[0:38:22] Voice 19: and brought forward corrections and amendments and some housing policies that had been missed

[0:38:29] Voice 19: and so where it sits now is all that work is still captured and is waiting for our staff to

[0:38:37] Voice 19: be available so that we can continue and so it will basically restart with a larger project the

[0:38:44] Voice 19: The scope of which, I believe, I'm trying to remember if the last meeting, all the items that had been missed when the OCP review went from a project to a minor project, all of those items, this LTC asked to be added back in.

[0:39:04] Voice 19: I will check if the private doc issue is added to the review.

[0:39:10] Voice 19: i think i have the agenda package but it might take me a while to get back to you on that

[0:39:14] Voice 19: um but i would anticipate based on the work that was already done with community input

[0:39:21] Voice 19: now remember we paused because we weren't hearing back from first nations that was the that was the

[0:39:29] Voice 19: piece where we'd done all this community work and we hadn't got to the point of hearing back

[0:39:34] Voice 19: from nations and so that's when everything sort of went quiet and so i do understand it's taken

[0:39:40] Voice 19: a lot of time but none of that work has been lost and it will be brought forward and i'm hoping maybe

[0:39:45] Voice 19: in two years uh if we restart in 23 september i was fall this year we're looking at maybe a

[0:39:55] Voice 19: a year to do ocp policies but it's really dependent on some of those factors like first

[0:40:01] Voice 19: nations engagement so great question uh and we'll look at whether the scope of the project currently

[0:40:07] Voice 19: has um the private docs and maybe planner bach can address that in in our later on chair elliott

[0:40:15] Voice 19: yes can you check your video please oh why did it just snap off thank you don't know why it just went

[0:40:25] Voice 19: off thank you and as to whether an off-island chair of any local trust committee has ever

[0:40:35] Voice 19: proposed a motion i would say probably yes um a all chairs are from off-island that is the

[0:40:50] Voice 19: structure of the islands trust there is a purpose to it you have two local trustees the federation

[0:40:56] Voice 19: that we are part of must be represented by a member of the executive who necessarily comes

[0:41:02] Voice 19: from off island all three of those all three of us are equal members of the local trust committee

[0:41:10] Voice 19: no one's vote supersedes another it is to bring a balance to the decision making so all i can say

[0:41:18] Voice 19: is whether one vote

[0:41:20] Voice 19: we always

[0:41:22] Voice 19: vote according to what is

[0:41:24] Voice 19: what is right

[0:41:27] Voice 19: to

[0:41:34] Voice 23: I'll speak

[0:41:35] Voice 19: personally. I vote

[0:41:37] Voice 19: my conscience. Every single

[0:41:39] Voice 19: decision that I come to, I take

[0:41:41] Voice 19: into account all the information

[0:41:42] Voice 19: that is on the table that day.

[0:41:45] Voice 8: Just to correct a mistake,

[0:41:47] Voice 8: there's only one local now.

[0:41:49] Voice 8: the other person moved up the island.

[0:41:51] Voice 19: Thank you.

[0:41:52] Voice 8: If you want to address the

[0:41:53] Voice 19: local trust committee,

[0:41:54] Voice 19: can you please take the microphone?

[0:41:56] Voice 19: Who was next?

[0:42:03] Voice 17: My name is Gail Blaine and I'd like my comments

[0:42:07] Voice 17: to be recorded.

[0:42:08] Voice 17: Can you put

[0:42:09] Voice 10: it closer

[0:42:09] Voice 17: to the mic?

[0:42:11] Voice 17: My name is Gail Blaine.

[0:42:13] Voice 17: I would like my comments to be recorded

[0:42:16] Voice 17: because I'm part of the record.

[0:42:17] Voice 17: My question is, why do off-island trustees feel like they can speak for the Leskeetee community?

[0:42:25] Voice 17: We've got three trustees, only one of them is present, and the other two live off-island, and yet you have a huge influence in what happens in our community. Thank you.

[0:42:36] Voice 17: okay

[0:42:37] Voice 19: so that was a question uh trustee laroni are you feeling like you want to answer that i

[0:42:47] Voice 19: i will go first i personally do not feel i speak for the liskiti community i do not come from this

[0:42:55] Voice 19: community my duty is my duty is to represent and uphold the object of the trust which is the

[0:43:03] Voice 19: responsibility of this government. This government is a federation of 13 different local trust

[0:43:09] Voice 19: committees, not just Liskiti. And so we consider regional planning and First Nations engagement

[0:43:16] Voice 19: and engagement with other agencies as part of our responsibility to uphold the mandate.

[0:43:23] Voice 19: So when I make decisions as a person who is a chair, I consider the needs of the Liskiti

[0:43:29] Voice 19: community, and also the responsibility to uphold the trust as a federation.

[0:43:38] Voice 19: Trustee Larone, if you want to answer that one.

[0:43:42] Voice 25: Can you reiterate the question? I'm having a really hard time hearing what the attendees are

[0:43:47] Voice 25: saying.

[0:43:48] Voice 19: I can, I think if I heard your question correctly, why do off island trustees feel they

[0:43:55] Voice 19: can speak for the Liskiti community? Is that your question?

[0:43:59] Voice 17: why why yeah why do you think that you speak for the community you don't live here okay that was

[0:44:05] Voice 19: the question

[0:44:05] Voice 19: she

[0:44:06] Voice 17: asked for it to be with her okay i

[0:44:10] Voice 25: can comment on that despite not physically

[0:44:14] Voice 25: living on luskete i grew up there spent 15 years of my life there fully living there

[0:44:21] Voice 25: and i spent the last five years living and hugely contributing to the community

[0:44:26] Voice 25: in a variety of ways I'm still very involved in everything that's going on and I would love to be

[0:44:34] Voice 25: there I just it's not possible in my life right now but to think that I don't understand how the

[0:44:40] Voice 25: works and don't know everybody there and haven't known them since I was a tiny little kid

[0:44:46] Voice 25: and understand all the history and how all of this has come about I think is very simplistic

[0:44:55] Voice 25: just because i'm not physically living there doesn't mean that i i'm not thinking as if i

[0:45:00] Voice 25: live there and taking everybody's consideration into account i mean once you can get you can

[0:45:06] Voice 25: leave the island but you're still a skinny kid at heart more

[0:45:11] Voice 19: questions or comments uh

[0:45:14] Voice 19: are we moving on

[0:45:16] Voice 19: yep yeah

[0:45:22] Voice 4: my name is pro there and i've lived here for 75 some odd years and

[0:45:26] Voice 4: my family's been here since 1912. i've seen lots of things go why do you want your minutes recorded

[0:45:33] Voice 4: yes i want my comments and ministry my comments recorded in the public record uh one of the hard

[0:45:39] Voice 4: parts on the city is getting here and getting off here all right access and egress to this place

[0:45:45] Voice 4: is very difficult i'm the person who fought the island's trust for 25 years just to get into

[0:45:51] Voice 4: to zone for a ramp and i personally was involved in building the ramp here which is a permanent

[0:45:58] Voice 4: installation one of the problems that is is in the back but is um we're supposed to be overdue

[0:46:08] Voice 4: for a caspedia earthquake and this island the main road will be cut in three places

[0:46:14] Voice 4: including right here the damless peach lake will go out there will be a wall of mud comes down

[0:46:19] Voice 4: here takes out the generator kit right behind us here and cuts the road here the fire department is

[0:46:26] Voice 4: is isolated here they can only run false bay the scotty bay that whole group out there

[0:46:34] Voice 4: are isolated farther down island there's two lakes that will go and they will take the main road out

[0:46:42] Voice 4: down by grant road which basically cuts luskete into three pieces you can have this all right

[0:46:49] Voice 4: And so access to the island with more docks is a much better idea.

[0:46:55] Voice 4: And because of the nature of this island, there's only about 10 places that the weather will actually allow you to put in a dock.

[0:47:04] Voice 4: There's only about 10 locations on the island.

[0:47:08] Voice 4: And I would just like to see the private dock issue resolved here so that we can have a few more.

[0:47:16] Voice 4: This place will never look like Piers Island off-city, all right?

[0:47:21] Voice 4: There is no place to put a dock on the entire south side of those skis.

[0:47:27] Voice 4: The entire, that's from Squiddy Bay to Paltz Bay.

[0:47:29] Voice 4: There is no public access, no place to put one.

[0:47:33] Voice 4: There are a couple places that they can be fit in around here, and only one has public access.

[0:47:42] Voice 4: access and the ratepayers associations had a court case trying to keep that public for years

[0:47:47] Voice 4: it's going into 11 years right now and that would be tougher bet which could be an alternative thank

[0:47:54] Voice 4: you very much um so i would definitely like to see the private doc issue on the community plan

[0:48:03] Voice 4: however you're doing it because we're not the only community looking at disaster preparedness

[0:48:08] Voice 4: thank you thank you

[0:48:13] Voice 14: yep

[0:48:15] Voice 19: and there was

[0:48:16] Voice 14: a few back here

[0:48:16] Voice 19: if anybody would like to speak

[0:48:18] Voice 19: thank you okay so

[0:48:21] Voice 19: please state your name and and what you're going to the topic please

[0:48:26] Voice 6: um my name is grover foreman i've been a island resident for 52 years

[0:48:34] Voice 6: um my what i have to say is farther on from what carl has just said

[0:48:46] Voice 10: all

[0:48:47] Voice 19: comments are part of the public record. We do take a summary of everyone's comments.

[0:48:51] Voice 19: And

[0:48:52] Voice 26: the meeting is being recorded and will be posted to the website.

[0:48:55] Voice 6: Well, just to play by the rules, I would like mine to be included in the record today.

[0:49:02] Voice 6: I'm going to paraphrase in writing and ideas from two documents today

[0:49:08] Voice 6: day to lead my question for the trustees. First, a 47-page guide, evaluation and operation guide

[0:49:16] Voice 6: from First Nations and local authorities in British Columbia. Second, evacuating an isolated

[0:49:23] Voice 6: island with marine resources, a Bowen Island case study. Because isolated islands have no road-based

[0:49:30] Voice 6: connection to the mainland, it is impossible for the majority of island population to leave by

[0:49:36] Voice 6: vehicle or foot. Instead, they must move to the shoreline and evacuate by marine resources.

[0:49:43] Voice 6: Establishing a coastal strategy area is found to dramatically reduce evacuation times.

[0:49:50] Voice 6: Requirements. One, ability of the population to self-serve, evacuate on private vessels. Two,

[0:49:57] Voice 6: potential docking ports and sheltered location for recovery vehicles. Three,

[0:50:05] Voice 6: Three, information on the existence, location, and capabilities of available vessels and docking areas in the community.

[0:50:15] Voice 6: A survey was launched for five weeks in response to 88% completion on Bowen Island.

[0:50:23] Voice 6: Question on the survey.

[0:50:24] Voice 6: In the event of an evacuation order, are you able to self-evacuate by private boat?

[0:50:31] Voice 6: 19 yes, 80% no.

[0:50:35] Voice 6: This was from 488 responses.

[0:50:38] Voice 6: A marine dock inventory noted a serious challenge posed by the amount of serviceable docks for evacuation.

[0:50:47] Voice 6: It was decided that private vessels were the best case solution in the real world of an island disaster.

[0:50:54] Voice 6: disaster. This evacuation guide for an island close to the mainland, Bowen Island, was with

[0:51:02] Voice 6: a car ferry 4.3 kilometers or 3.3 miles from the mainland. Laskete is 26.2 kilometers or 10.35

[0:51:12] Voice 6: miles to Vancouver Island and has no car ferry. My question to the trustee is please tell our

[0:51:20] Voice 6: community how removing an emergency egress i.e the carry dock is in agreement with the island

[0:51:26] Voice 6: disaster risk reduction plan as described in the evacuation operational guide for first nations and

[0:51:33] Voice 6: local authorities in british columbia and two the evacuating isolated islands with marine resources

[0:51:40] Voice 6: the bow and allen case study i would enclose and strongly suggest the committee proceed no further

[0:51:48] Voice 6: with bylaw enforcement action against land use bylaw amendment application LA-RZ-2023.1

[0:52:01] Voice 6: carry dock and include said dock as a potentially life-saving asset in our community.

[0:52:10] Voice 6: Island disaster evacuation risk reduction plan for LISPEDI. Thank you and have a good day.

[0:52:22] Voice 21: I

[0:52:26] Voice 19: appreciate your support um but I do ask that no clapping or booing follow speakers we want to be

[0:52:33] Voice 19: equitable and so we're just not responding with clapping or booing okay thank you so much for

[0:52:39] Voice 19: your submission sir Mr. Foreman anybody else thanks

[0:52:45] Voice 10: there was a question earlier asked a

[0:52:48] Voice 10: question

[0:52:48] Voice 6: what was your question my question was um please tell our community how removing an

[0:52:55] Voice 6: emergency egress i.e the carry dog is in agreement with an island disaster risk reduction plan as

[0:53:04] Voice 6: described by the operational guide for first nations and local authorities in british columbia

[0:53:09] Voice 6: and two the evacuating isolated islands bowen island case study on the matter

[0:53:17] Voice 6: and it goes into you know the carry dot and what it should not be precluded it is a life-saving

[0:53:26] Voice 6: potentially and for the risk reduction plan sir

[0:53:30] Voice 19: i will attempt to address your question maybe our

[0:53:33] Voice 19: Our planner has some information, but briefly through the Cary Dock application process,

[0:53:40] Voice 19: this local trust committee attempted to determine the social and environmental effect that would

[0:53:48] Voice 19: need to be proven to have a private dock be a community asset that could be used for

[0:53:55] Voice 19: evacuation.

[0:53:57] Voice 19: And we explored several different methods, such as putting a covenant on it.

[0:54:01] Voice 19: Could it be used by emergency and first responders?

[0:54:04] Voice 19: But the conclusion was that as it was a private dock and there was no mechanism to ensure

[0:54:10] Voice 19: that it could be used for community benefit, that social good that you were talking about

[0:54:15] Voice 19: of evacuation was not able to be confirmed.

[0:54:20] Voice 6: May I respond?

[0:54:22] Voice 19: Well, I'm just answering your question.

[0:54:23] Voice 19: And if there's a lot of other speakers, so if we can move on to other speakers and then

[0:54:28] Voice 19: come back if we've got another question.

[0:54:29] Voice 19: I don't

[0:54:30] Voice 13: see your answer as pertinently what I asked, but anyway, that's fine.

[0:54:35] Voice 19: Is there, and one thing to look up is, is there an evacuation protocol for Lispiti Island?

[0:54:40] Voice 19: I think that would be held by Catholic Regional District, if anything, and that isn't under our jurisdiction.

[0:54:47] Voice 19: We did try to explore how this could be secured as a community good in perpetuity.

[0:54:53] Voice 6: It would have taken a second reading to allow all that to come out, not just reading.

[0:54:58] Voice 6: The first reading was stopped, so the second reading and third readings couldn't occur because they weren't allowed to, and that's the second and third readings are where public information and all the information regarding how to do something is discussed, not by stopping it before the first reading.

[0:55:20] Voice 6: It was quashed too early to know exactly what could be done.

[0:55:26] Voice 19: Thank you for your comments.

[0:55:30] Voice 19: If you could state your name and the topic, please.

[0:55:41] Voice 11: My name is Lynn Sprague, S-P-R-A-G-U-E.

[0:55:46] Voice 11: I'm a teacher in school district 69, if you could please note that.

[0:55:54] Voice 11: I've been a resident here for 21 years.

[0:55:56] Voice 11: um in 2018 i participated in uh the community plan the official community plan where we had

[0:56:06] Voice 11: public consultation got together and talked about everything i have pictures of those notes here on

[0:56:11] Voice 11: my phone um the other day i went in to see what the official community plan is that's that exists

[0:56:18] Voice 11: since today and i was shocked to find out that the only community plan i could find was dated 2005

[0:56:28] Voice 11: that's 20 how many years

[0:56:30] Voice 11: 20 years ago yeah

[0:56:33] Voice 11: um if the official community plan is the driving force

[0:56:39] Voice 11: for change whether you're in a school district or you're on an island or you're in a business

[0:56:47] Voice 11: business, anywhere an official community plan is in place. How can we be making decisions that are

[0:56:55] Voice 11: so important for our community with a 20-year-old official community plan? Now, referring back to

[0:57:06] Voice 11: that official community plan of 2005, there were numerous mentions of the importance of getting

[0:57:15] Voice 11: getting supplies to Liskety Island by barge, by private boat.

[0:57:24] Voice 11: I don't have to go into detail.

[0:57:27] Voice 11: Numerous mentions of it.

[0:57:30] Voice 11: And every mention talked about how we needed to have public consultation

[0:57:39] Voice 11: about what was the best way of doing that 20 years ago.

[0:57:46] Voice 14: We're

[0:57:47] Voice 11: talking about it today and the importance of it today.

[0:57:49] Voice 11: day, and three people are making the decision, not a community, and we still don't have an

[0:57:59] Voice 11: official community plan driving our decision-making process.

[0:58:05] Voice 11: Doesn't seem right.

[0:58:08] Voice 11: So my question is, can we speed up the 2018 official community plan, please, so that we

[0:58:20] Voice 11: can have public consultations today to address the things that are important for us today that's my

[0:58:29] Voice 11: question thank

[0:58:31] Voice 14: you thank you very good everyone will

[0:58:36] Voice 19: speak to that i can try we will be speaking

[0:58:40] Voice 19: to uh i guess the scope of the ocp today and the request of this local trust committee to

[0:58:49] Voice 19: have started some aspect of the OCP so that we could speed it along, which was First Nations

[0:58:56] Voice 19: engagement. So in our agenda today, there is a briefing note from staff about the request

[0:59:03] Voice 19: to do some aspect of the OCP review in order to speed it along. So that will be part of

[0:59:10] Voice 19: our discussion. Thank you for your comments.

[0:59:17] Voice 7: Hello, my name is Richard Ayers. I have three

[0:59:21] Voice 7: three questions. The first one is, what are the specific details? Excuse me, let me back up. I'd

[0:59:27] Voice 7: like my comments and questions be included in these minutes. What are the specific details

[0:59:33] Voice 7: for use of the public money that was approved January 23, 2023 for bylaw enforcement? Specific

[0:59:40] Voice 7: details for use.

[0:59:42] Voice 19: Sorry, can you

[0:59:43] Voice 19: repeat the date again?

[0:59:46] Voice 7: January 23, 2023. And what are the limits

[0:59:51] Voice 7: of use of that money and where can find where can one find the public find a record of what exactly

[1:00:00] Voice 7: was approved for bylaw enforcement.

[1:00:07] Voice 7: Anyone want to answer?

[1:00:08] Voice 7: I got two more questions.

[1:00:09] Voice 7: Do you want to answer first?

[1:00:10] Voice 7: I have

[1:00:12] Voice 19: to look up what you're referring to.

[1:00:15] Voice 19: So you can ask more questions if you'd like.

[1:00:19] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:00:23] Voice 7: In the history of Island Trust,

[1:00:25] Voice 7: has public money ever been spent

[1:00:27] Voice 7: on bylaw enforcement on Laskini?

[1:00:33] Voice 7: I think I'll wait on the third one

[1:00:35] Voice 7: until after you respond.

[1:00:37] Voice 17: I'll

[1:00:37] Voice 7: wait on my third question

[1:00:39] Voice 7: until after you respond for the first two.

[1:00:41] Voice 19: Okay.

[1:00:42] Voice 7: so

[1:00:44] Voice 19: um public money is uh required reporting and every trust council we get a quarterly briefing

[1:00:51] Voice 19: so i believe it's every two trust council meetings there's a reporting about how many

[1:00:58] Voice 19: bylaw infractions for each local trust area as to how much money is spent that is reported out

[1:01:07] Voice 19: in the annual audited statements

[1:01:11] Voice 19: that are available on the website.

[1:01:14] Voice 19: So afterwards, we can do some digging

[1:01:16] Voice 19: and get that information for you.

[1:01:18] Voice 19: That will be for the whole trust area.

[1:01:20] Voice 19: It's not broken down by local trust committee

[1:01:22] Voice 19: as far as I know, but I can confirm that.

[1:01:25] Voice 7: That's not what I asked.

[1:01:27] Voice 7: You

[1:01:27] Voice 19: are asking for details of the use of public money

[1:01:31] Voice 19: in a decision of January 23rd, 2023,

[1:01:33] Voice 19: which I have to look up

[1:01:35] Voice 19: because I don't know what that meeting was.

[1:01:36] Voice 19: and then has money ever been spent on bylaw enforcement on mesquite island i'm

[1:01:42] Voice 7: asking for

[1:01:43] Voice 7: specific use of money on january 2023 decision was made by the three of you guys what that what

[1:01:51] Voice 7: what is the specific the details of the use of that money and what are the limits for that use

[1:01:57] Voice 7: you can't just give me a general answer and i'll walk away we're talking about specific i'm asking

[1:02:03] Voice 7: specifically like

[1:02:04] Voice 19: i said i'll have to look that up but as for general reporting for bylaw

[1:02:09] Voice 19: enforcement it's reported out every bi-quarterly so it's found in our trust council agendas and

[1:02:14] Voice 19: on our website i

[1:02:15] Voice 9: will

[1:02:18] Voice 19: have to look up that meeting because i don't know what you're referring to

[1:02:21] Voice 19: next person i

[1:02:28] Voice 7: have a second question i asked the second question also in the history of island

[1:02:32] Voice 7: has public money ever been spent on bylaw enforcement

[1:02:36] Voice 7: on Leskeetee?

[1:02:43] Voice 19: That was what I was referring to is the public reporting

[1:02:46] Voice 19: for all bylaw enforcement activities is done quarterly

[1:02:50] Voice 19: in our trust council meetings.

[1:02:54] Voice 10: And you don't have the information.

[1:02:56] Voice 10: I

[1:02:56] Voice 19: can't look up every single agenda on the minute.

[1:03:00] Voice 7: I suggest that the answer to my first question is,

[1:03:02] Voice 7: is because that money was decided to be spent in Canberra

[1:03:07] Voice 7: that you can't answer the question it's a it's a public decision a private decision based on all

[1:03:14] Voice 7: the public people so

[1:03:20] Voice 19: do you have a further comment to make sir or i have

[1:03:23] Voice 7: one more this

[1:03:24] Voice 7: one was directed for uh is she still online

[1:03:28] Voice 19: trustee laroni sorry

[1:03:30] Voice 7: trustee laroni yes he's

[1:03:32] Voice 19: still

[1:03:32] Voice 7: online yes are you there trustee i'm

[1:03:38] Voice 25: here sorry i

[1:03:39] Voice 25: have myself on mute so my background

[1:03:40] Voice 25: know it doesn't bother you guys yeah

[1:03:42] Voice 7: i just wondered on the previous meeting during the

[1:03:45] Voice 7: break were you pressured to change your vote to agree with the chair no

[1:03:51] Voice 25: thank

[1:03:52] Voice 7: you well my name

[1:04:05] Voice 10: is tom weiner w-e-i-n-e-r-t-h i would like my questions and comments to be recorded in the

[1:04:12] Voice 10: minutes um i note that the minutes from the last local trust committee meeting uh my i asked the

[1:04:24] Voice 10: question i asked i asked a question about uh if i was the person one of the individuals cited in

[1:04:35] Voice 10: this staff report who was guilty of misconduct and the chair answered that she would not answer that

[1:04:44] Voice 10: question so i asked another question that that is not included in the minutes i would like them to

[1:04:50] Voice 10: be included in the minutes and that's another question and that is in the trust committee or

[1:04:56] Voice 10: the staff site any actual instances where i have been guilty of the forms of this combat that were

[1:05:03] Voice 10: delineated in that staff report and nobody came up with anything i would like that question and

[1:05:12] Voice 10: lack of answer to be included in these minutes that you're going to be reviewing pretty soon

[1:05:17] Voice 10: and for this meeting i have a question to the chair i've learned that the december 24 staff

[1:05:30] Voice 10: staff report concerning conduct was reduced in response to your chairs expressed concerns about

[1:05:38] Voice 10: conduct during local meetings. Can you share with us specific instances, that is, specific examples

[1:05:47] Voice 10: where members of the public have done any of the things described in the staff report,

[1:05:53] Voice 10: specific examples, not just vague, you know, this or that? Can you give me any specific examples?

[1:06:06] Voice 14: sorry thank you

[1:06:09] Voice 19: lots of questions for me today i'm just going back to my notes forgive me here

[1:06:34] Voice 19: um so our local trust committee bylaws do state that the chair's responsibility is to uphold

[1:06:41] Voice 19: uh decorum and the rules of good conduct in the median so that's so that everybody can participate

[1:06:48] Voice 19: anticipate um so there have been some incidents that were part of a pattern um we were discussing

[1:06:57] Voice 19: the role of the apc i can't remember what time and i was repeatedly interrupted by a member of

[1:07:03] Voice 19: the public um during the regular business meeting so town hall is when members of the public get to

[1:07:10] Voice 19: address the local trust committee the rest of the meeting is for the local trustees and staff to

[1:07:15] Voice 19: discuss and debate and make decisions and so when there's repeated interruptions in the regular

[1:07:21] Voice 19: business meeting that's called improper conduct and it is permissible to expel a member of the

[1:07:27] Voice 19: public for improper conduct i don't think i need to go into anything else

[1:07:41] Voice 10: with respect madam chair

[1:07:45] Voice 10: you did not address my question my question was can you give any specific example where a member

[1:07:53] Voice 10: of the public have done any of the misconduct that were mentioned in the December staff report.

[1:08:00] Voice 10: Interrupting occasionally was not mentioned. Other things were mentioned,

[1:08:04] Voice 10: threatening, malicious, gossip, etc., etc. Can you cite any specific example where any of those

[1:08:11] Voice 10: things have ever happened in one of these meetings? I

[1:08:19] Voice 19: will say that there has been

[1:08:20] Voice 19: There's been quite a lot of public commentary through some of the local published newsletters and otherwise

[1:08:29] Voice 19: that were, I would say, if not defamatory or slanderous in actual fact, were harmful.

[1:08:41] Voice 19: And that led to a situation where trustees did not feel safe coming to a meeting hall in person to debate among this community because things were spread that were untrue about intentions, about where we live, about how we conduct our business.

[1:09:03] Voice 19: and respect does go two ways and so for in order to in order for meetings to continue in person

[1:09:10] Voice 19: on the skidi island we need to have a respectful two-way conversation so we are upholding the

[1:09:18] Voice 19: meeting procedure bylaws which gives everyone three minutes to speak we ask that you speak

[1:09:22] Voice 19: respectfully and so we are and so we can continue with the meeting thank you no i think we need to

[1:09:29] Voice 10: move

[1:09:29] Voice 19: on we've had oh we haven't

[1:09:32] Voice 19: 30 seconds there you go i'm

[1:09:37] Voice 10: sorry madam chair you did not answer

[1:09:39] Voice 10: my question you avoided it you referred to the publications i asked you can you give me any

[1:09:45] Voice 10: specific instances where any member of the public has done any of those forms of misconduct cited

[1:09:53] Voice 10: in the december staff report concerning conduct at these meetings do you please answer my question

[1:10:03] Voice 10: or if you can't say no i can't cite any specific instances because they've never happened

[1:10:08] Voice 10: i'm

[1:10:08] Voice 19: not going to use a position of a decision maker to point out a member of the public for

[1:10:15] Voice 19: improper conduct

[1:10:16] Voice 10: this is this is blanket can you think of any instance where it's happening

[1:10:22] Voice 10: obviously you can't

[1:10:29] Voice 10: smoking the ball

[1:10:48] Voice 5: before

[1:10:49] Voice 19: we go on we're going to need to have a vote to extend the meeting

[1:10:52] Voice 19: um the meeting time beyond 15 minutes um yes i

[1:11:01] Voice 26: move that the purchase public participation period

[1:11:04] Voice 26: uh duration minute be extended for this meeting um

[1:11:14] Voice 20: can we go 15 minutes by 15 minutes

[1:11:17] Voice 20: that's fine okay by 15 minutes

[1:11:20] Voice 20: extended by 15 minutes

[1:11:21] Voice 19: all right so moved by trustee peterson

[1:11:25] Voice 19: Do I have a seconder?

[1:11:27] Voice 19: Seconded.

[1:11:28] Voice 19: Trustee Leroni seconds.

[1:11:30] Voice 19: Any discussion?

[1:11:31] Voice 19: All those in favor, raise your hand or say aye.

[1:11:34] Voice 19: Aye.

[1:11:34] Voice 19: That is carried.

[1:11:36] Voice 19: Okay.

[1:11:36] Voice 19: And so back to you.

[1:11:38] Voice 19: Could you pull the microphone up?

[1:11:40] Voice 17: Yes, thank you.

[1:11:40] Voice 17: My name is Dave Anderson.

[1:11:41] Voice 17: Our family goes back over 120 years on

[1:11:45] Voice 10: this island, back to 1914.

[1:11:47] Voice 10: And I'd like my comments and questions and answers recorded on the minutes, please.

[1:11:52] Voice 10: why do the trustee trust a staff report that ignores the fact that there are no known

[1:12:00] Voice 10: environmental or social effects associated with the Kerry Dock? Could

[1:12:10] Voice 19: you restate the question?

[1:12:12] Voice 10: Please say the question. Why do the trustee trust a staff report that ignores the fact that there

[1:12:22] Voice 10: there are no known environmental or social effects

[1:12:25] Voice 10: associated with the Cary Dock.

[1:12:32] Voice 19: Anybody else want to take a stab at that?

[1:12:34] Voice 19: Because I do not understand what you're asking.

[1:12:41] Voice 19: Part of the consideration of,

[1:12:43] Voice 19: and part of the challenge of the Cary Dock application

[1:12:48] Voice 19: was the definition of social and environmental effects.

[1:12:52] Voice 19: How does this community define it?

[1:12:55] Voice 19: And there were multiple referrals to the APC

[1:12:58] Voice 19: and advisory planning commission which is struck of members of this community to discuss what

[1:13:05] Voice 19: no social and environmental effects could be and it's not a satisfactory answer we don't have a

[1:13:17] Voice 19: good answer for how a private dock could demonstrate a social effect for the community

[1:13:25] Voice 19: without securing a covenant on it

[1:13:28] Voice 19: that it could be used by the public in perpetuity

[1:13:31] Voice 19: for instances such as you described, evacuation.

[1:13:36] Voice 19: It's the best answer I can give.

[1:13:39] Voice 19: We referred it out, we asked people

[1:13:41] Voice 19: and it's a very ill-defined term

[1:13:43] Voice 19: and that may be something that the OCP needs to address

[1:13:47] Voice 19: is quantifying that term and saying

[1:13:49] Voice 19: what exactly is the social good

[1:13:51] Voice 19: or the social effect that this community is looking for.

[1:13:54] Voice 6: Do you have an answer?

[1:13:57] Voice 19: Because I don't really get it.

[1:14:01] Voice 21: You

[1:14:02] Voice 14: don't have to.

[1:14:04] Voice 26: Well, just to reiterate with the chair, but it's not defined in our OCP bylaws.

[1:14:12] Voice 26: We did ask for some advice from the ABC, but to sum up,

[1:14:22] Voice 26: their response was that they felt that it was up to the applicant to define the social benefits um

[1:14:29] Voice 26: and that's about all i can offer at this point i i can't speak to anyone else's um decision on that

[1:14:37] Voice 26: the

[1:14:37] Voice 10: social benefits were explained by these speakers

[1:14:48] Voice 10: That was one of the meetings, a while ago, that carries responded that this was available

[1:14:56] Voice 10: for the public with response with regards to any situation where we needed emergency

[1:15:03] Voice 10: access to this work at any time.

[1:15:06] Voice 10: and also the first responders have already used that war and it was made and so why was this not

[1:15:12] Voice 10: a public consultation for the general public to comment on this and have their input i'm going

[1:15:19] Voice 19: to turn to the planner um and ask a question do the rights of something like public access to a

[1:15:28] Voice 19: dock run with the title of the land or with the land holder all the right so

[1:15:38] Voice 3: so

[1:15:39] Voice 19: securing them making that dock of public access it would have required a covenant that

[1:15:46] Voice 19: ran with the title of the land right not the will of the landowner which can change if the land is

[1:15:52] Voice 19: sold so there needed to be a legal mechanism to secure the public access for a private dock

[1:16:00] Voice 19: and there was no mechanism to do that it does not run with the the wishes of the landholder because

[1:16:09] Voice 19: if it's sold there's a new landholder and that use can be terminated that's why things like

[1:16:16] Voice 19: covenants run with the title is my understanding you want to explain any more please well i think

[1:16:23] Voice 3: that's um

[1:16:24] Voice 22: that

[1:16:26] Voice 17: was

[1:16:29] Voice 3: the advice that that staff that there should be some uh legal means of securing

[1:16:35] Voice 3: the public access so that it is not um you know that later on down the line there's some record

[1:16:41] Voice 3: of that in some way of ensuring that it does remain available for the public um and so a

[1:16:47] Voice 3: covenant is one thing that was discussed as part of that application yes

[1:16:54] Voice 22: We

[1:16:55] Voice 14: have other

[1:16:56] Voice 19: first-time speakers.

[1:16:57] Voice 19: David.

[1:17:04] Voice 9: I'm Trayden Kelly.

[1:17:06] Voice 9: I'm the secretary of the Speedy-Racers Association.

[1:17:10] Voice 9: About a year ago, we made a presentation or a delegation to the Rush Committee to alter

[1:17:22] Voice 9: alter a couple of bylaws which concern the construction of private docks um to that end

[1:17:31] Voice 9: we uh produced the uh uh a map and which we intended to take to the advisory planning

[1:17:40] Voice 9: commission uh to illustrate that there were no social or environmental effects of any private

[1:17:48] Voice 9: a dock and you could go anywhere on the island. And I would like to go on the next meeting's

[1:17:55] Voice 9: agenda to bring the map here and we could enlighten the local trust committee with some actual

[1:18:05] Voice 9: illustrious or illustrate the facts so that you are a little more enlightened about

[1:18:13] Voice 9: where docks can go and where they can't go and how difficult that

[1:18:16] Voice 9: that social or environmental way out.

[1:18:19] Voice 9: Thank you.

[1:18:24] Voice 12: I remember that presentation.

[1:18:26] Voice 12: Thank you.

[1:18:30] Voice 12: Yeah,

[1:18:31] Voice 26: thank you, Craig.

[1:18:32] Voice 26: And we talked on the phone yesterday

[1:18:34] Voice 26: and that's my recommendation that you bring that.

[1:18:37] Voice 26: So unfortunately, because it didn't come to the,

[1:18:41] Voice 26: it went to the APC and not to this body.

[1:18:44] Voice 26: We haven't had a look at that.

[1:18:46] Voice 26: I'd love to see that map.

[1:18:47] Voice 26: And I think it's perfectly reasonable

[1:18:50] Voice 26: as we discussed after your delegation last year to have a more broad community discussion about

[1:18:57] Voice 26: what those locations could be and also uh as i mentioned you know what the the subdivision

[1:19:04] Voice 26: potential in the areas are and and have a good look at what that information is so i appreciate

[1:19:10] Voice 26: that and i'm hoping that could be on our next agenda i

[1:19:17] Voice 19: just there was an earlier question about

[1:19:19] Voice 19: the scope of the OCP review, I think it was from you, yeah, and whether a consideration

[1:19:28] Voice 19: of locations for private docks is included and so we're just looking that up right now.

[1:19:34] Voice 3: So the existing project charter does include draft OCP policies related to the environmental

[1:19:41] Voice 3: environmental and social effects of private docks the um that's the current project from

[1:19:49] Voice 11: when uh

[1:19:51] Voice 3: the date is May 2024.

[1:19:56] Voice 10: that's not included in the draft OTP

[1:20:00] Voice 30: go ahead so

[1:20:04] Voice 3: this this project charter

[1:20:05] Voice 3: has been amended a number of times so this is a version 6.1 of that project's Charter so I want

[1:20:13] Voice 3: want to look back at the different versions there may have been I believe this particular item was

[1:20:18] Voice 3: added later um into the project charter and response that's the LTC request thank

[1:20:28] Voice 14: you okay

[1:20:31] Voice 14: new speakers we're

[1:20:35] Voice 19: going to first time speakers first please you're still turning brain yeah

[1:20:40] Voice 19: thank

[1:20:41] Voice 10: you my name is Dave Olson I'd like my comments recorded for the record

[1:20:45] Voice 10: I have at least two questions.

[1:20:48] Voice 10: First is for the chair.

[1:20:50] Voice 10: You mentioned today that your role is to uphold the object of the trust at these meetings.

[1:20:57] Voice 10: At the last meeting, your only reason that you stated in public for not continuing further

[1:21:10] Voice 10: further with the Cary Dock application, was that it would be disrespectful to First Nations.

[1:21:16] Voice 10: So my specific question to you is, where does it say that First Nations interests in the

[1:21:23] Voice 10: object of the trust supersede the local community's interests?

[1:21:28] Voice 10: All three trustees have agreed that it was very important to this community to have a

[1:21:34] Voice 10: public process about the Cary Dock, and you shut that down last meeting.

[1:21:39] Voice 10: that's the first question and thank you for responding thank

[1:21:50] Voice 14: you i will

[1:21:51] Voice 19: read uh the exact

[1:21:53] Voice 19: wording of section three of the islands trust object of the trust from the bc laws website

[1:22:05] Voice 19: in its entirety it's just one sentence the object of the trust is to preserve and protect the trust

[1:22:11] Voice 19: area and its union communities and environment for the benefit of the residents of the Trust

[1:22:18] Voice 19: area and of British Columbia generally in cooperation with municipalities, regional

[1:22:25] Voice 19: districts, improvement districts, First Nations, other persons and organizations and the government

[1:22:31] Voice 19: of British Columbia. So there is a general purpose to protect this area for the benefit of everyone

[1:22:40] Voice 19: one in british columbia that is the object that is the purpose of this government and we do that

[1:22:46] Voice 19: in cooperation with a number of agencies including first nations by including the respectful

[1:22:53] Voice 19: engagement of first nations prior to bylaw prior to bylaws being written that is upholding the

[1:23:03] Voice 19: object of the trust you

[1:23:08] Voice 10: didn't mention the part about the people who live here

[1:23:14] Voice 10: so to be clear the object does not say that first nations interests supersede the local community

[1:23:23] Voice 10: from your answer and just to also be clear the local trust committee fee bylaw

[1:23:30] Voice 10: Section 4 says, fee for after-the-fact application.

[1:23:38] Voice 10: An application for a permit or bylaw amendment to authorize work or an activity already undertaken

[1:23:45] Voice 10: or in operation as of the date of the application that's made,

[1:23:49] Voice 10: the rate in Section 3.1 will be subject to a 20% surcharge.

[1:23:54] Voice 10: would you agree that the bylaw that governs this local trust committee makes it explicitly clear

[1:24:06] Voice 10: that what the carries did is perfectly legal and within the means of what our official community

[1:24:14] Voice 10: plan and land use bylaw permits thank you for answering this question no

[1:24:25] Voice 19: i do not think that

[1:24:26] Voice 19: But paying a fee for an after the fact application mitigates the fact that no consultation with First Nations was done before the doc was put in.

[1:24:39] Voice 19: It's a tricky fact that we are working in a situation where our bylaws had never consulted First Nations in the first place in their regard.

[1:24:51] Voice 19: It is not a fact that that Cary dock upheld this community's OCP.

[1:24:59] Voice 19: The original OCP and the draft OCP that many people worked on had the opportunity to say, we want private docks in other areas, including Scotty Bay.

[1:25:09] Voice 19: And nobody said that.

[1:25:11] Voice 22: So

[1:25:12] Voice 19: we are here to uphold the community's values as expressed by the OCP.

[1:25:19] Voice 19: As old as it is, that's what we have. We cannot just make things up and say, this is how it's going to be. I'm here to uphold the object of the trust, which is in the best interest of all British Columbians, and requires that as a local government, we undertake meaningful engagement with all other agencies, including regional districts and First Nations.

[1:25:43] Voice 19: and i would further say that your ocp review project is in jeopardy if we do not do good

[1:25:53] Voice 19: engagement with first nations it will be stalled because we haven't done the right process of

[1:26:01] Voice 19: saying here's what we are considering what do you think from your perspective that's what early

[1:26:07] Voice 19: engagement and consultation does if we say a doc is put in what do you think about it

[1:26:14] Voice 19: that is not consultation that is not respectful and it puts the entire OCP project at risk

[1:26:25] Voice 28: so

[1:26:29] Voice 10: I understood that the OCP hasn't proceeded

[1:26:35] Voice 10: seated for staffing reasons.

[1:26:39] Voice 10: And prior to this meeting, I have spoken with or emailed

[1:26:45] Voice 10: with at least one of the locally elected trustees, I think both.

[1:26:50] Voice 10: And they have told me that there is a protocol agreement that

[1:26:57] Voice 10: has been completed with the ,,

[1:27:00] Voice 10: the first nation.

[1:27:03] Voice 10: and two years ago I believe it is now their chief died when it was just about to be signed

[1:27:09] Voice 10: that's not true I don't know what the timing exactly I'm sorry that

[1:27:14] Voice 19: is not true so the chief

[1:27:19] Voice 10: Edwards

[1:27:19] Voice 19: is not dead no no

[1:27:21] Voice 10: the chief of the town somebody okay somebody the father

[1:27:23] Voice 19: of the current

[1:27:24] Voice 19: chief is still very much alive excellent

[1:27:26] Voice 10: um so somebody in the community died that was your time

[1:27:30] Voice 10: The

[1:27:30] Voice 19: time is up. Do you have a question?

[1:27:31] Voice 10: Yes, I do.

[1:27:32] Voice 10: So

[1:27:33] Voice 19: my

[1:27:34] Voice 10: understanding was somebody in the community died

[1:27:36] Voice 10: and that prevented the ban from signing the agreement.

[1:27:41] Voice 10: I've asked to see the protocol agreement

[1:27:43] Voice 10: and nobody is willing to reveal the protocol.

[1:27:47] Voice 10: And so you're saying that we need to respectfully engage

[1:27:51] Voice 10: with First Nations.

[1:27:53] Voice 10: Nobody here is disagreeing with that.

[1:27:55] Voice 10: The OCP process, the application

[1:27:58] Voice 10: process...

[1:27:59] Voice 13: you send

[1:28:00] Voice 10: referrals to first nations for comment not for veto purposes not for approval for comment

[1:28:08] Voice 10: we as a community are not given the opportunity to comment even much less see or approve a

[1:28:16] Voice 10: protocol agreement that will supersede our rights apparently because you are holding sorry that is

[1:28:24] Voice 19: That is enough.

[1:28:25] Voice 10: You're holding back the OTP until

[1:28:28] Voice 10: this protocol agreement

[1:28:30] Voice 10: is signed and tell me that is an incorrect statement.

[1:28:33] Voice 19: It is an incorrect statement.

[1:28:41] Voice 14: Yeah,

[1:28:41] Voice 26: I just want to note that protocol agreements

[1:28:43] Voice 26: are not held by local trust committees,

[1:28:46] Voice 26: they're held by trust council.

[1:28:48] Voice 26: So that's just a point of information

[1:28:50] Voice 26: that might be helpful for you.

[1:28:51] Voice 26: Dave, Dave,

[1:28:53] Voice 13: no, somebody else.

[1:28:55] Voice 6: Give it to somebody.

[1:28:56] Voice 7: I have a question.

[1:28:58] Voice 6: Can you

[1:28:59] Voice 19: state your name on the subject, please?

[1:29:02] Voice 8: Hi, my name is Patrick Simard.

[1:29:05] Voice 8: I've only been here for five years, but I try to attend as much meeting as possible.

[1:29:10] Voice 8: The beauty of this island is what attracted me here.

[1:29:13] Voice 8: And it's for Trustee Micaela, Trustee Laroni.

[1:29:17] Voice 8: Do you think we have the Zoom call meeting that was created for an extreme measure because of the COVID era?

[1:29:26] Voice 8: Do you think it's adequate to not shorten up to your constituents for meeting when it's every 60 days?

[1:29:33] Voice 8: Should we have a reason?

[1:29:35] Voice 8: Can we demand a reason why not pacing your constituents?

[1:29:39] Voice 8: No respect for

[1:29:41] Voice 7: meetings, which

[1:29:43] Voice 8: is very respectful.

[1:29:44] Voice 8: It's a duty.

[1:29:45] Voice 8: It's a job.

[1:29:46] Voice 8: She was a vet for this.

[1:29:49] Voice 8: So, thank you.

[1:29:52] Voice 14: Let's see the running.

[1:29:55] Voice 25: Well, I feel like it's a catch-22 here, because if I attend the meetings, then I get...

[1:30:00] Voice 25: get questioned about using up our budget to attend the meetings

[1:30:05] Voice 17: so

[1:30:08] Voice 25: I mean which which which is it

[1:30:10] Voice 25: I can should I be attending every meeting meeting and using up

[1:30:15] Voice 25: our budget or

[1:30:17] Voice 25: I try to be there as much as possible I can you can imagine with this pretty hostile environment

[1:30:25] Voice 25: and all the threats and harassment I've been receiving I really want to get on that ferry

[1:30:29] Voice 25: and come to the island um but i will be there later

[1:30:33] Voice 7: on this summer order

[1:30:35] Voice 25: everybody

[1:30:43] Voice 14: we don't

[1:30:44] Voice 19: have to continue public participation if the public cannot maintain a respectful

[1:30:49] Voice 19: atmosphere for everyone

[1:30:51] Voice 8: we'll

[1:30:53] Voice 19: just go on with our business so as

[1:30:55] Voice 8: public figures you're

[1:30:56] Voice 8: We're open to criticism that's legal to criticize a public figure.

[1:31:02] Voice 8: You guys work for us.

[1:31:03] Voice 8: Right.

[1:31:05] Voice 10: Your standards are higher.

[1:31:07] Voice 8: Not be heard that easily.

[1:31:09] Voice 8: That's very important.

[1:31:11] Voice 8: Sorry,

[1:31:13] Voice 19: can I just make a comment about respect?

[1:31:15] Voice 19: So I asked

[1:31:17] Voice 10: for

[1:31:19] Voice 19: people not

[1:31:20] Voice 10: to

[1:31:21] Voice 19: clap and not to boo,

[1:31:23] Voice 19: not for us, but for everybody else.

[1:31:26] Voice 19: so that this is a safe and respectful place for everyone

[1:31:30] Voice 19: so that you can express your views,

[1:31:32] Voice 19: whether they're contrary to mine, to staff's, to one another.

[1:31:38] Voice 19: You have the right to your own opinion

[1:31:41] Voice 19: and to express it in this public forum.

[1:31:45] Voice 19: But that means your right cannot supersede another person's right.

[1:31:51] Voice 19: We all have the same rights here to a safe and respectful place.

[1:31:55] Voice 19: So all I'm asking is that you do not boo and you do not clap to show either

[1:32:01] Voice 19: support or I'm not in support of that.

[1:32:04] Voice 19: You just state your own opinion and your own views. Okay.

[1:32:06] Voice 19: And that will keep it a safe and equitable place for everyone.

[1:32:10] Voice 19: Thank you. First time speakers.

[1:32:16] Voice 12: The reason for clapping is to show your support that everyone in this room was

[1:32:22] Voice 12: wholeheartedly behind someone's comment and showing you the the emotion and the strength

[1:32:29] Voice 12: of the community that is objecting to a lot of the things that are going on it's to show that

[1:32:34] Voice 12: they're not alone that the whole community is behind them and i think it's ridiculous that

[1:32:39] Voice 12: you're trying to ban us from clapping at me freedom

[1:32:43] Voice 9: of expression

[1:32:52] Voice 17: First

[1:32:53] Voice 19: time speakers, please. Anyone who has not spoken for one time?

[1:32:58] Voice 19: Yeah, 15 minutes in.

[1:33:03] Voice 10: I'm just thinking about, I've been here since 2010. I don't know how to go over it well.

[1:33:08] Voice 10: did you uh repeat your reply to dave about what what the object of the trust is did you do that

[1:33:18] Voice 10: because from what i gathered in your your reading of that is it says very little about how we we

[1:33:25] Voice 10: need uh the support or the veto power of the first nations community here respect i i come from first

[1:33:32] Voice 10: nations but i see this as a as a very divisionary tactic that you're following everything has to go

[1:33:38] Voice 10: so everything has to be you know reported on by the first nations can you can you please reply

[1:33:45] Voice 10: again what because your reply did not state this overwhelming necessity to have the first nations

[1:33:53] Voice 10: input on on what we're doing right can can you do that again please i because it talks about how

[1:34:02] Voice 10: you're meant to represent the people here on the island and that's one of the first things that's

[1:34:07] Voice 10: stated in the object of the trust right but you go on straight to maybe

[1:34:11] Voice 19: i can get you to read it

[1:34:12] Voice 19: that is the object of the trust on the bc government laws website you're

[1:34:18] Voice 16: getting paid i'm not okay

[1:34:22] Voice 19: so from bclaws.gov.bc.ca there's the first part which is definitions the second part is

[1:34:32] Voice 19: continuation of trust and trust fund and the third part is the object of the trust

[1:34:37] Voice 19: the object of the trust is to preserve and protect the trust area and its unique amenities

[1:34:45] Voice 19: and environment for the benefit of the residents of the trust area and of british columbia

[1:34:53] Voice 19: generally in cooperation with municipalities regional districts improvement districts first

[1:35:01] Voice 19: First Nations, other persons and organizations, and the government of British Columbia.

[1:35:04] Voice 19: That is the statutory object of the trust.

[1:35:08] Voice 10: Right.

[1:35:08] Voice 10: But you only focused on, in your reply to Dave, you only focused on the Indigenous.

[1:35:16] Voice 10: Apparently, you need to consult with all of BC then as well, right?

[1:35:20] Voice 10: About that dock.

[1:35:21] Voice 10: About the dock, right?

[1:35:23] Voice 10: As well as the First Nations and the residents of the community and all the residents of BC.

[1:35:29] Voice 10: see happy

[1:35:29] Voice 14: to keep answering if you'd like yes okay go

[1:35:33] Voice 14: ahead yeah

[1:35:34] Voice 26: i just wanted to point out that um

[1:35:37] Voice 26: part of the procedure that we go through with our official community plans and bylaws that are

[1:35:43] Voice 26: registered under that designation require ministerial approval um then yes if it's an ocp

[1:35:54] Voice 26: bylaw requires ministerial approval, which is currently the Ministry of Municipal Affairs and

[1:36:00] Voice 26: Housing has been amalgamated. So just in terms of the importance of First Nations consultation,

[1:36:09] Voice 26: and the minister has made this quite clear in a recent letter to Trust Council,

[1:36:15] Voice 26: we bring bylaws for minister approval at the risk of being rejected if we cannot demonstrate

[1:36:23] Voice 26: straight that we have consulted with First Nations so that's

[1:36:27] Voice 7: I'm

[1:36:29] Voice 26: not I'm just just trying

[1:36:30] Voice 26: to let you know procedurally procedurally the minister must sign off on an OCP related bylaw

[1:36:37] Voice 26: right and

[1:36:38] Voice 10: and you don't need to show that you've um discussed it with the people who actually live

[1:36:43] Voice 10: here well

[1:36:44] Voice 26: the minister doesn't has not laid out criteria for us which of course makes things

[1:36:50] Voice 26: is interesting but um i just wanted to share that it's important to note that the minister

[1:36:55] Voice 26: can approve or not approve a local bylaw and is the ultimate decision making as long as it's a

[1:37:01] Voice 26: ocp bylaw and

[1:37:08] Voice 19: further to that the alice trust has made a declaration of reconciliation that it will

[1:37:14] Voice 19: continue to engage in respectful ways with first nations and to me respect means you don't do

[1:37:22] Voice 19: something that could potentially affect people's interests, and then say, we've done this,

[1:37:28] Voice 19: we ask your permission after the fact, and then you say you want to engage meaningfully

[1:37:35] Voice 19: on a considerable OCP review.

[1:37:38] Voice 19: We can't have both.

[1:37:42] Voice 16: I

[1:37:42] Voice 19: understand that there are different community views about that dock and the potential rezoning,

[1:37:50] Voice 19: and it could have gone through an extensive community process

[1:37:54] Voice 19: and we could have ended up at the place of denying or approving

[1:37:58] Voice 19: and then referred it to First Nations

[1:38:01] Voice 19: and they might have said yes and they might have said no.

[1:38:03] Voice 19: What I do not want is to put them in a position

[1:38:09] Voice 19: where their interests cannot be authentically represented

[1:38:14] Voice 19: because the act is already done.

[1:38:17] Voice 19: Is that really consulting in a meaningful way?

[1:38:21] Voice 19: That is not the spirit of reconciliation that DRIPA and the legislation that we are under

[1:38:28] Voice 19: to uphold the object of the trust for the province of British Columbia,

[1:38:32] Voice 19: not just for local residents, but for all.

[1:38:35] Voice 23: We

[1:38:36] Voice 19: have a responsibility to undertake meaningful engagement with First Nations,

[1:38:41] Voice 19: and there is no way around that.

[1:38:43] Voice 19: Thank you.

[1:38:45] Voice 19: First-time speakers, please.

[1:38:51] Voice 28: I'll take that.

[1:38:56] Voice 11: Oh, my name is Beth Finch, and I'm a resident here on Mesquite Island.

[1:39:03] Voice 11: I've been given this question to ask.

[1:39:05] Voice 11: Because the application did not advance beyond the first reading, the carries were not given the opportunity to provide a covenant.

[1:39:19] Voice 11: Is there a question in this?

[1:39:23] Voice 11: So can you comment on that?

[1:39:29] Voice 11: I need to

[1:39:29] Voice 19: ask Steph

[1:39:30] Voice 12: where things were left with the covenant. I can't remember.

[1:39:41] Voice 19: He's answering the question. I think that's okay.

[1:39:47] Voice 3: So just

[1:39:48] Voice 19: the question that the applicants were not provided the opportunity to

[1:39:56] Voice 14: to do a covenant.

[1:39:58] Voice 11: They were not provided the opportunity to provide a covenant.

[1:40:00] Voice 19: We explored the covenant prior to drafting the bylaws

[1:40:03] Voice 19: to see if it would be possible.

[1:40:06] Voice 19: And I'm trying to remember what.

[1:40:07] Voice 19: You

[1:40:07] Voice 4: have a legal access.

[1:40:09] Voice 4: So he

[1:40:09] Voice 4: doesn't need your permission to put a covenant on it

[1:40:13] Voice 4: and say this is part of your personal choice.

[1:40:17] Voice 4: He can do it himself.

[1:40:19] Voice 19: Okay, I'm asking the planner.

[1:40:20] Voice 3: I think ultimately I should not rely on my memory at all.

[1:40:23] Voice 3: microphone for this okay

[1:40:25] Voice 19: so can we get back to you about that question please thanks my question

[1:40:34] Voice 5: is is it possible to bring the bylaw back forward so it could actually have second and third

[1:40:41] Voice 5: readings so it was proper public process obviously this is a big issue with a lot of different

[1:40:48] Voice 5: aspects to it

[1:40:49] Voice 28: is

[1:40:51] Voice 5: it possible to bring that bylaw back so that it can be reviewed and discussed

[1:40:56] Voice 5: by the community and full public engagement

[1:41:00] Voice 5: with other participants, the problems.

[1:41:03] Voice 5: Sure, of course you can, exactly.

[1:41:06] Voice 19: That opportunity is with the OCP review.

[1:41:09] Voice 7: Nor would you know, right now.

[1:41:14] Voice 19: Other first-time speakers?

[1:41:16] Voice 19: First-time speakers, please.

[1:41:18] Voice 19: And then if anybody else would like to speak

[1:41:20] Voice 19: to a second time.

[1:41:22] Voice 30: But why couldn't I do it now?

[1:41:26] Voice 19: because an elected body cannot revisit a decision once it has made that decision

[1:41:32] Voice 19: unless new information is brought forward such as a new application

[1:41:39] Voice 7: emergency evacuation as i

[1:41:42] Voice 19: said the opportunity is through the ocp review if this community

[1:41:45] Voice 19: wants to designate other spots for docs through the ocp that is the opportunity

[1:41:55] Voice 5: so is there not a requirement now that the owner of the dock has been asked to remove it

[1:42:04] Voice 5: is there

[1:42:05] Voice 5: a legal yes requirement now that that dock be removed yes

[1:42:11] Voice 24: yes so

[1:42:13] Voice 5: having the old cd

[1:42:17] Voice 5: review

[1:42:17] Voice 5: this fall maybe or next year

[1:42:21] Voice 5: is not going to stop

[1:42:22] Voice 5: the injustice of having

[1:42:25] Voice 5: that dock. And all the expense

[1:42:28] Voice 12: ripped out

[1:42:29] Voice 5: for something that we deem

[1:42:31] Voice 5: or as many people in the community deem

[1:42:33] Voice 5: as an asset.

[1:42:35] Voice 5: An essential asset.

[1:42:37] Voice 5: Because there wasn't enough staff to put

[1:42:39] Voice 5: the OCP through.

[1:42:41] Voice 19: Please, can we just have one person at a time?

[1:42:43] Voice 19: Oh, thanks.

[1:42:47] Voice 14: I

[1:42:47] Voice 19: have no further comment on this.

[1:42:52] Voice 19: We're going for second time speakers.

[1:42:54] Voice 19: If everybody has spoken for the first time, sir, for you.

[1:42:57] Voice 26: Oh, Marty.

[1:43:01] Voice 12: Marty went to the Skidi Island.

[1:43:04] Voice 12: My comments have always been recorded when I've spoken before.

[1:43:09] Voice 12: So I assume they will be this time.

[1:43:12] Voice 12: I don't understand the issue.

[1:43:14] Voice 10: HAB

[1:43:14] Voice 12: -Masyn Moyer- I

[1:43:14] Voice 10: haven't been recording.

[1:43:17] Voice 12: HAB-Masyn Moyer- Um, is there any way that we can speed up getting this OTC that's taken so long so that we could deal with this because

[1:43:29] Voice 12: because it does seem to be in the interest of the community.

[1:43:33] Voice 12: And earlier, I didn't hear anything about evacuation.

[1:43:37] Voice 12: I just saw that the prefect sent out a map

[1:43:42] Voice 12: that said that everybody on Mesquitee on a long weekend

[1:43:45] Voice 12: in the summer should all drive to Falls Bay for evacuation.

[1:43:51] Voice 12: And I wondered how many miles away I would have to park

[1:43:54] Voice 12: to be able to walk to that.

[1:43:56] Voice 12: have. So I think this is a new aspect of this. And I understand

[1:44:03] Voice 12: about procedures, but I think

[1:44:06] Voice 12: that we should try to be if

[1:44:12] Voice 12: there's anything we can do about Noel is right.

[1:44:16] Voice 12: Thank you.

[1:44:22] Voice 12: I first asked me to

[1:44:24] Voice 12: here for sensory

[1:44:25] Voice 11: program just

[1:44:26] Voice 14: can you know can you even know the evacuation i'm talking about

[1:44:32] Voice 14: i'm

[1:44:32] Voice 29: lying strong by the time residents uh office recorded question in scotty bay spring

[1:44:40] Voice 29: bay maple bay policy so every day there's a shelter are all those morning boys legal

[1:44:48] Voice 29: they're right sitting on eel grass your precious illegal grass you people are so worried about

[1:44:52] Voice 29: out in baseball that I grew up there spring baseball and Scotty Bay has you know grass

[1:44:56] Voice 29: and entrance we have a fishing fleet coming in out of Scotty Bay they're morning boys they're

[1:45:01] Voice 29: waiting for access to our docks at times these boats and these morning boys swing around they

[1:45:07] Voice 29: chew at the bottom with their jeans or whatever they have in the morning boys are these legal

[1:45:12] Voice 29: and you're putting all these bylaws against the Kerry dock which is permanent he had a biologist

[1:45:19] Voice 29: just go through the whole area.

[1:45:21] Voice 29: There's no eelgrass on the stock.

[1:45:23] Voice 29: There's probably 50 mooring boys around with ski,

[1:45:26] Voice 29: completely illegal, I would assume,

[1:45:28] Voice 29: for maybe a couple of them to register.

[1:45:30] Voice 29: If you want to get into bylaws,

[1:45:32] Voice 29: I got on the fall speed and picked up my wife

[1:45:34] Voice 29: at the park in the middle of the road.

[1:45:37] Voice 29: I look around.

[1:45:38] Voice 29: There's at least eight unlicensed vehicles

[1:45:40] Voice 29: taking up public parking spots.

[1:45:42] Voice 29: Not that I really care, but if you want to get into it,

[1:45:45] Voice 29: why are these unlicensed vehicles parked on a public road then?

[1:45:49] Voice 29: People pay taxes on them.

[1:45:51] Voice 29: You know, this is, I mean, how far do you want to peel it?

[1:45:54] Voice 7: This is what we want.

[1:45:56] Voice 7: This is what we want.

[1:45:57] Voice 7: This is the cash cow.

[1:45:59] Voice 19: So in answer to your first question,

[1:46:06] Voice 19: so the Navigation Protection Act is the act that authorizes

[1:46:11] Voice 19: and regulates interferences with the public right of navigation.

[1:46:16] Voice 19: So if there are mooring buoys that are an obstruction to navigation,

[1:46:22] Voice 19: They are probably not lawful, and it is Transport Canada that would have to regulate that.

[1:46:31] Voice 19: Sometimes our bylaw enforcement officers, because we are the ones most, I would say, if someone calls the Islands Trust bylaw enforcement and says there's an issue with a mooring buoy, they will commonly refer that to Transport Canada, and we have those links.

[1:46:50] Voice 19: And so sometimes our bylaw enforcement can ticket them if it's not well marked or it's in the path and navigation.

[1:46:58] Voice 19: So that's the way I am.

[1:46:59] Voice 19: Yeah. And so if it's an issue, I would call our bylaw enforcement team and have them contact Transport Canada or contact Transport Canada directly.

[1:47:07] Voice 19: So I'm sitting

[1:47:08] Voice 29: on the old grass.

[1:47:08] Voice 19: What was your second question about?

[1:47:13] Voice 29: A number of questions, but I mean, a lot of these morning boys and especially Maple Bay, Spring Bay is full of meal grass.

[1:47:20] Voice 29: So a

[1:47:23] Voice 19: local trust committee has authority to regulate marine uses and what happens there and can potentially prohibit all mooring buoys and all moorage of any floats or boats or anything in certain areas.

[1:47:40] Voice 19: So if this local trust committee, if this community says this area has sensitive eelgrass, we don't want any mooring buoys, it could say that's a designated environment conservation protection zone, which has been discussed and is in the scope of this OCP review.

[1:47:56] Voice 19: So it's potential that areas that have sensitive eelgrass and we want that to grow back, that maybe the use of mooring boats would not be permitted.

[1:48:07] Voice 19: Okay,

[1:48:07] Voice 29: so we probably have 20 or 30 boats

[1:48:09] Voice 29: usually in the morning and morning voice.

[1:48:10] Voice 29: Most of them I'd say are legal or in the old class.

[1:48:13] Voice 29: Can you tell me where they're supposed to tie?

[1:48:15] Voice 29: We don't have any dots.

[1:48:16] Voice 29: Falls Bay is a joke.

[1:48:17] Voice 29: It's called Falls Bay.

[1:48:18] Voice 29: It's exactly that.

[1:48:20] Voice 29: Sweeney Bay, there's no room.

[1:48:21] Voice 29: This

[1:48:21] Voice 19: is exactly the questions

[1:48:24] Voice 19: that would be asked of the community

[1:48:25] Voice 19: in the OCP review.

[1:48:27] Voice 19: We rely on resident local experts

[1:48:30] Voice 19: to help with that information

[1:48:32] Voice 19: as to where it's appropriate

[1:48:34] Voice 19: to have zones for boring

[1:48:36] Voice 19: and where it's appropriate to have zones

[1:48:38] Voice 19: that are for ecological restoration.

[1:48:40] Voice 19: I can't answer those.

[1:48:41] Voice 19: I'm not an expert.

[1:48:44] Voice 19: Or docs.

[1:48:46] Voice 19: Okay, first time speakers,

[1:48:47] Voice 19: just making sure everybody's had a chance and oh, sorry.

[1:48:51] Voice 26: Yeah, I did say something.

[1:48:52] Voice 19: Trustee Peterson, then we're gonna have to have another vote

[1:48:54] Voice 19: on another 15 minutes, but go ahead, Trustee Peterson.

[1:49:00] Voice 26: Yeah, just on the issue of mooring buoys,

[1:49:03] Voice 26: There is federal legislation about mooring buries not being permitted to interfere with public navigation, commercial, mariculture, or industrial activity.

[1:49:17] Voice 26: That's federal.

[1:49:18] Voice 26: And in our bylaws, the Marine General 2 zone, moorage for non-commercial purposes is considered a permitted use under Section 4.14.

[1:49:31] Voice 26: form. So as far as the Liskety's bylaws go, the mooring buoys and any general marine area are

[1:49:40] Voice 26: currently legal. Again, as mentioned, that is something we could consider whether that's

[1:49:46] Voice 26: how we want it to continue at this point. But that's what I got from a quick look at our land

[1:49:51] Voice 26: use bylaw. All right. First on speakers.

[1:49:58] Voice 27: This is Richard Chesham. This is actually a

[1:50:02] Voice 27: I've got a question on process.

[1:50:05] Voice 27: Is it possible for you three trustees to make a motion

[1:50:10] Voice 27: to hold off on any enforcement of the by-law infraction

[1:50:14] Voice 27: on the Kerry dock until after the OCP

[1:50:17] Voice 27: and the community has had a chance to have input

[1:50:20] Voice 27: and see what the outcome of that is.

[1:50:23] Voice 27: And if at that time the community thinks

[1:50:26] Voice 27: it's a good thing to keep it, can that decision be changed?

[1:50:31] Voice 19: Okay.

[1:50:33] Voice 19: Good question. I'm going to email that to our regional planning manager to ask if a deferral of enforcement until after the OCP project is concluded.

[1:50:45] Voice 19: I believe it would be possible. I'm not 100% sure, but I'll check. Thanks.

[1:50:49] Voice 7: Just take the motion and make three ayes, and it's available.

[1:50:55] Voice 7: So this takes a motion and three ayes to make that, or two and three.

[1:51:00] Voice 7: uh the the uh one thing i understand is that the island trust went to the province to have

[1:51:08] Voice 7: the carry dock evaluated for compliance to make sure that it was okay the island trust went to

[1:51:16] Voice 7: the province the province came out and looked at the dock the province sent a person out here

[1:51:23] Voice 7: they went through all the paperwork and they found the dock to be in the recommendation was

[1:51:29] Voice 7: was to the Island Trust to bring the dock into compliance.

[1:51:33] Voice 7: So if that's the case, which it is,

[1:51:35] Voice 7: why did you vote against it, the three of you,

[1:51:38] Voice 7: the two of you that voted?

[1:51:42] Voice 7: Just because you don't like the dock.

[1:51:45] Voice 19: So I'm not going to revisit my personal reasons

[1:51:49] Voice 19: for voting not to proceed.

[1:51:52] Voice 19: If you'd like me to take up that airspace again, we can.

[1:52:00] Voice 8: You said personal, shouldn't you be personal?

[1:52:05] Voice 8: Well,

[1:52:08] Voice 19: no, I stated my reasons during the meeting

[1:52:10] Voice 19: for why I voted not to proceed with the application.

[1:52:16] Voice 19: I'm not sure what your question, sir.

[1:52:22] Voice 7: The province determined that the dock was just fine by them in simple terms.

[1:52:28] Voice 7: okay and they asked the island trust to bring the dog into compliance that means make it legit

[1:52:34] Voice 7: it's okay make into compliance and you guys did not you voted against that why okay

[1:52:40] Voice 19: so the

[1:52:41] Voice 19: neither

[1:52:42] Voice 19: agency neither the province nor local government has the authority to override the other they must

[1:52:49] Voice 19: work together so the general permission the general dock permissions which is uh issued by

[1:52:55] Voice 19: by the province did issue a license for the dock.

[1:52:59] Voice 19: It did not tell the local trust committee

[1:53:01] Voice 19: to change its bylaws and allow the dock.

[1:53:04] Voice 19: The dock was out of compliance

[1:53:06] Voice 19: with Liskety Island's local trust committee bylaws

[1:53:09] Voice 19: which is why there was an application made

[1:53:11] Voice 19: to amend the bylaw and rezone it to allow the dock.

[1:53:15] Voice 19: The province does not have the authority

[1:53:17] Voice 19: to tell a local trust committee to rezone

[1:53:20] Voice 19: to allow something that's already happened.

[1:53:25] Voice 19: first time speakers okay thanks and we have one minute left in the 15 minutes but

[1:53:34] Voice 19: sorry the floor is yours my

[1:53:36] Voice 10: name is sanato for me i've lived here for many years i'm

[1:53:41] Voice 16: coastal sailors

[1:53:42] Voice 10: people have been here forever i wouldn't sit here listening from what i

[1:53:50] Voice 10: gathered, things could have gone forward.

[1:53:57] Voice 10: You're conscious.

[1:53:59] Voice 10: Maybe you just vote against because the First Nations

[1:54:04] Voice 10: hadn't been consulted previous to the dock being built and that

[1:54:07] Voice 10: was not right, but that's how it went

[1:54:12] Voice 10: here too. People have thought about it

[1:54:16] Voice 10: and considered it. My feeling is more

[1:54:25] Voice 10: More that First Nations were being used as an excuse to not go forward with it than being respected.

[1:54:33] Voice 10: They weren't disrespected any more than the rest of B.C. was when

[1:54:39] Voice 16: the dock was put in without a permit.

[1:54:41] Voice 16: But since then, it could fly, and

[1:54:45] Voice 10: it may have,

[1:54:46] Voice 28: at

[1:54:48] Voice 10: the only difference, if your conscience was only for the First Nations' consultation.

[1:54:54] Voice 10: patient i'm just saying that i feel more like i've been used as a scapegoat than respected

[1:55:08] Voice 7: thank

[1:55:09] Voice 12: you thomas sorry

[1:55:11] Voice 7: was i included in the minutes

[1:55:14] Voice 7: i

[1:55:14] Voice 16: didn't ask for it to be because i'm curious to see whether it is or isn't

[1:55:27] Voice 5: so

[1:55:28] Voice 19: we're at the 15 minute threshold um local trust committee do you want to proceed with

[1:55:36] Voice 19: um the town hall and have another 15 minute session do we need a break uh noting our planner

[1:55:43] Voice 19: let's take it a break how many about how many other people need to address the local trust

[1:55:49] Voice 19: committee one two three four okay so yeah

[1:55:55] Voice 22: let's just ask yeah okay so

[1:55:59] Voice 19: move that we uh extend

[1:56:02] Voice 19: public participation or town hall by another 15 minutes second

[1:56:06] Voice 17: seconded

[1:56:07] Voice 19: by trustee peterson

[1:56:09] Voice 19: uh any discussion i

[1:56:12] Voice 25: just want to make sure that we're being cognizant of your ferry but it seems

[1:56:15] Voice 25: like it's a pretty light agenda so i'm that's about it right

[1:56:19] Voice 19: and noting that our um some staff

[1:56:22] Voice 19: needs to leave the meeting by 2 p.m and they need to speak to agenda item 10.1 okay so i'll call for

[1:56:29] Voice 19: the vote 15 more minutes all those in favor aye that's carried uh okay was there any

[1:56:37] Voice 14: more speakers

[1:56:56] Voice 9: In addition to the evacuation that was mentioned, an earthquake, luckily we had lots of rain

[1:57:11] Voice 9: this time, and hopefully we won't have a fire, but that's another possibility.

[1:57:15] Voice 9: And when they happen, nobody expects them.

[1:57:18] Voice 9: And so there's just another reason.

[1:57:20] Voice 9: And I'll add an oar to the eelgrass story.

[1:57:26] Voice 9: I've been on the island for 45 years and spending a bit of time down in Scotty Bay.

[1:57:33] Voice 9: And two years ago, I noticed this immense, beautiful forest of eelgrass.

[1:57:41] Voice 9: And they were there for a long, long time.

[1:57:43] Voice 9: And then all of a sudden, I love wildlife.

[1:57:46] Voice 9: But two, three dozen Canada geese came in, they landed in that beautiful little spot.

[1:57:57] Voice 9: And just like that, all that eelgrass was gone.

[1:58:03] Voice 9: So Mother Nature has her own agenda.

[1:58:09] Voice 21: And

[1:58:12] Voice 19: just a reminder, please state your name and the topic, but thank you for your comments.

[1:58:25] Voice 9: I'm Peter Steenbergen, I've been here 45 years, and I'm a proud Westiesian.

[1:58:31] Voice 9: We're not here to discuss at one point, we're also showing you that we're not happy the way Islands Trust is trying to run the ski.

[1:58:40] Voice 9: And on other islands like Hornby, people are very unhappy with the way everything is being run, and we're worried about our future here.

[1:58:49] Voice 28: If somebody

[1:58:50] Voice 9: wants to build a house somewhere, it's going to be a big issue because it's too

[1:58:53] Voice 9: close to the water. If somebody's trying to apply to a septic field, it could be in the right spot,

[1:59:00] Voice 9: but it can't be denied. And

[1:59:02] Voice 9: we're worried that our plans do not line up with our plans and we're here

[1:59:09] Voice 9: the state

[1:59:09] Voice 28: come

[1:59:11] Voice 9: up giving up a lot of the scheme so that's my point of the issue

[1:59:18] Voice 9: yeah

[1:59:22] Voice 10: my name

[1:59:23] Voice 28: is

[1:59:28] Voice 15: dennis bachman i've been here for uh four years um just to further to that question

[1:59:33] Voice 15: i would like to know is there a way that we can leave the trust there's a lot of people

[1:59:38] Voice 15: on this one we're not happy with what the trust is doing do we have a legal way to

[1:59:42] Voice 15: all decide bye and see you guys later

[1:59:45] Voice 28: eventual

[1:59:48] Voice 8: orders yeah well i mean

[1:59:51] Voice 8: thank you i think

[1:59:57] Voice 19: trustee peterson's going to take

[2:00:00] Voice 19: attempt a run at that one so

[2:00:02] Voice 26: under the provincial legislation um islands or parts of islands can

[2:00:08] Voice 26: become municipalities such as bowen has however there is no exit clause and bowen island

[2:00:16] Voice 26: municipality is still subject to the island's trust uh executive committee approval of certain

[2:00:24] Voice 26: bylaws with respect to the compliance of the policy statement so the short answer

[2:00:29] Voice 26: is no we're

[2:00:32] Voice 15: prisoners into the IELTS Trust you're saying

[2:00:34] Voice 26: yeah if you could

[2:00:36] Voice 26: get the province to change their minds about the Islands Trust Act which is a

[2:00:40] Voice 26: provincial statute that would really be the only true way to get people lately

[2:00:45] Voice 26: out and

[2:00:47] Voice 9: this is a point of

[2:00:48] Voice 26: information just as a point of information the trial

[2:00:52] Voice 26: Island Trust Council has asked the province for a review of the Act

[2:00:56] Voice 26: a couple of times over the last couple of years.

[2:00:59] Voice 26: And I think it was February, the minister responded once again

[2:01:03] Voice 26: that they're not going to undertake a review of the Island Trust Act at this point.

[2:01:07] Voice 26: So it's, you know, it's provincial legislation that we're dealing with here

[2:01:14] Voice 26: in terms of the Act and the getting in or getting out of there for us.

[2:01:17] Voice 26: So

[2:01:18] Voice 15: this is a bit beside the point of having Dexada speak to you?

[2:01:21] Voice 15: Dexada never was in it.

[2:01:23] Voice 15: They were never in it.

[2:01:24] Voice 15: So who chose to put us in?

[2:01:26] Voice 15: The province.

[2:01:27] Voice 15: The province.

[2:01:28] Voice 18: We

[2:01:29] Voice 5: are

[2:01:30] Voice 18: an agency of the province.

[2:01:32] Voice 5: In 1974, we

[2:01:36] Voice 5: were going to dissolve the trust.

[2:01:39] Voice 5: Bill VanderZoom took it off.

[2:01:42] Voice 5: And then the islands and the communities got to decide

[2:01:45] Voice 5: that they actually liked the concept of the trust

[2:01:50] Voice 5: and to preserve and protect but what i would say i don't think that we want the trust to be

[2:01:57] Voice 5: a police force right

[2:01:59] Voice 9: to

[2:02:01] Voice 5: preserve and protect and that's i think what's happening yes

[2:02:09] Voice 5: so

[2:02:09] Voice 19: second time speakers was that your comments

[2:02:13] Voice 5: and i do want my comments

[2:02:20] Voice 8: My name

[2:02:21] Voice 10: is Tom and I would like my comments and questions recorded.

[2:02:24] Voice 10: At the last meeting, when you changed your position versus the Cary doc in the first

[2:02:32] Voice 10: reading, you went on for some time about it is disrespectful to the First Nations in putting

[2:02:40] Voice 10: it in without getting their approval.

[2:02:42] Voice 10: Can you tell us which First Nations felt insulted and who the representative that you spoke to, who indicated that they were insulted by him putting in that thought?

[2:02:55] Voice 10: So

[2:02:57] Voice 19: I won't go through the whole bylaw creation

[2:03:03] Voice 10: process

[2:03:04] Voice 19: or bylaw amendment process.

[2:03:06] Voice 19: process, but typically an application is made before a work begins. When the LTC gives direction

[2:03:15] Voice 19: to staff to draft bylaws to allow a proposed work, then that draft bylaw receives first reading

[2:03:26] Voice 19: and goes to First Nations and other agencies and regional districts for referral. That is the

[2:03:34] Voice 19: the process. So everyone gets to comment on it. The public could come and comment on it.

[2:03:39] Voice 19: What I had stated was that it seemed disrespectful to me to do something and then ask for comment

[2:03:47] Voice 19: after it had been done, especially when it comes to do with shoreline values, which we have seen

[2:03:56] Voice 19: through the archaeology project on Huayate. There is very strong interest from many First Nations

[2:04:03] Voice 19: in maintaining the integrity of access to the shores and so I did not say it was disrespectful

[2:04:10] Voice 19: to one specific First Nation but in general the process that we have is to draft bylaws

[2:04:17] Voice 19: before a work has begun so that you can get all the input through the public hearing

[2:04:25] Voice 19: that is a structured process and then the LTC can consider how the agencies First Nations how

[2:04:33] Voice 19: how the regional district, how the public,

[2:04:35] Voice 19: how the members of this community feel about something

[2:04:37] Voice 19: and then make the decision.

[2:04:39] Voice 19: What I said is the process had not been followed

[2:04:42] Voice 19: and therefore that was disrespectful.

[2:04:48] Voice 10: Luckily, there are multiple recordings of what you said.

[2:04:52] Voice 10: You emphasize the fact that it was disrespectful

[2:04:55] Voice 10: to the First Nations.

[2:04:58] Voice 10: And I assume that you had talked to somebody

[2:05:00] Voice 10: from the First Nations.

[2:05:01] Voice 10: From your answer, I now realize that you had

[2:05:04] Voice 10: that talked to no one from the First Nations

[2:05:06] Voice 10: that this was your opinion, that it was disrespectful.

[2:05:10] Voice 10: Well, I have another comment.

[2:05:15] Voice 10: That is, there's been numerous requests

[2:05:17] Voice 10: for agenda packages to be available for the public.

[2:05:20] Voice 10: It's insulting to show up with one agenda package

[2:05:24] Voice 10: that isn't even connected together.

[2:05:26] Voice 10: So members of the public can have one page

[2:05:28] Voice 10: of the agenda package.

[2:05:30] Voice 10: And what are you doing, saving money?

[2:05:32] Voice 10: If that is disrespectful,

[2:05:36] Voice 10: we've made numerous requests for for multiple agenda packages and you should be supplying them

[2:05:42] Voice 10: for the public we

[2:05:44] Voice 19: will endeavor to do better you

[2:05:46] Voice 10: haven't endeavored to do that it's used to

[2:05:48] Voice 10: be months and months and months and months of requests for agenda packages and it hasn't happened

[2:05:53] Voice 10: we've

[2:05:54] Voice 12: heard you thank you is

[2:05:58] Voice 10: it going to happen wait i have a question i'm sorry is it going to

[2:06:03] Voice 10: happen are you going to make a motion that you're instructing your staff to make it multiple copies

[2:06:08] Voice 10: of the agenda package available we

[2:06:10] Voice 19: will consider that in the course of our business yes not during

[2:06:14] Voice 10: a

[2:06:14] Voice 19: public call today

[2:06:16] Voice 10: we

[2:06:17] Voice 19: will consider that today

[2:06:18] Voice 10: that's

[2:06:19] Voice 19: all i could say

[2:06:20] Voice 10: please so

[2:06:21] Voice 19: you won't commit

[2:06:23] Voice 10: to them supplying again the packages to the

[2:06:26] Voice 14: public we will do better thank

[2:06:28] Voice 7: you all right scott

[2:06:31] Voice 7: scherzer's again uh again in their comments i'd like to make my comments and question the minutes

[2:06:36] Voice 7: it's my question directly is what is and was if it has changed the application process for a dock

[2:06:44] Voice 7: i know two other people who want to put a docking on this island and we want to know the specific

[2:06:50] Voice 7: where can i find the application process if i want to put a dock in here where is it what is it

[2:07:00] Voice 19: i'd have to turn to staff i do not know

[2:07:06] Voice 3: so if you're interested in making an application uh you can reach out directly to staff through

[2:07:12] Voice 3: the north info email address and we can direct you probably to some helpful resources

[2:07:16] Voice 3: one would be the application guide on our website which does have a kind of an overview of the

[2:07:22] Voice 3: process generally um but you can also schedule a pre-application meeting where where staff can

[2:07:28] Voice 3: review with you the ocp policies um and and give you a sense of how the the process uh for

[2:07:34] Voice 3: bylaw amendment um can occur and follow up

[2:07:39] Voice 14: why was

[2:07:46] Voice 7: there no specific path for the carries application before they built that dock given

[2:07:52] Voice 7: to them the husband you do this and you fill out this form or whatever it is it was none it was

[2:07:59] Voice 7: just come back later where it was just no path that path they showed up with a group of people

[2:08:06] Voice 7: and found out they're not going to get a path there's no form to fill out you've got some

[2:08:12] Voice 7: people here very wealthy people want to put in the dock and they're going to come to you again

[2:08:16] Voice 7: and you're going to have to give them a path but in the case of the carriers there's no path i

[2:08:20] Voice 7: think this is legal action and material here to say oh you can do it but oh you know you know

[2:08:36] Voice 14: I'm

[2:08:40] Voice 11: not exactly sure, because I don't have that on my phone, but I think that there was

[2:08:45] Voice 11: an application process on the website, except that it's from 2005, and secondly, I was going

[2:08:57] Voice 11: to say if everybody's had a chance to speak today or most people that wanted to speak today

[2:09:02] Voice 11: this really does show us that we need to have more public consultation yes the opportunity to

[2:09:09] Voice 11: have a voice because everybody's feeling like they don't have a voice and sorry as nice as you

[2:09:15] Voice 11: might be outside of here you know three voices for the population of the community you work for

[2:09:24] Voice 17: cranes excuse me

[2:09:26] Voice 11: so if we could just possibly think about having more consultation with people

[2:09:33] Voice 11: who are knowledgeable about all of these things to help us just like you've helped today

[2:09:38] Voice 19: thank you

[2:09:42] Voice 19: second time oh first time over here hi

[2:09:48] Voice 30: my name is brian i'm back i've been a resident here for

[2:09:51] Voice 30: about three years now and um i this could go on and on forever and not the clue but i would like

[2:09:57] Voice 30: you just to confirm this gentleman here had a question is there a process for you to proceed with

[2:10:03] Voice 30: putting the brakes on the removal of the dock the same question and are you committed to looking at

[2:10:10] Voice 30: stopping that process of removal until a proper consultation and or this review is complete so

[2:10:17] Voice 30: that we can move forward at that point thank

[2:10:20] Voice 7: you all it takes is a motion and two eyes so

[2:10:28] Voice 7: So I

[2:10:29] Voice 19: have sent in a question to our regional planning manager.

[2:10:36] Voice 19: So bylaw enforcement was enacted and then an application was made in 20,

[2:10:44] Voice 19: when was the first application done? 2019? Or no, 2020.

[2:10:51] Voice 19: It was before the new term. There was a first application.

[2:10:55] Voice 19: and so bylaw enforcement is paused while there is an application and then a new application was made

[2:11:05] Voice 19: oh no and then the trust the application did not proceed i'm not i'm not sure of the history

[2:11:12] Voice 19: because i wasn't here and i don't have it in front of me but i think trustee peterson has

[2:11:17] Voice 19: i'm

[2:11:18] Voice 26: just trying to find the information okay

[2:11:19] Voice 19: but basically uh enforcement can be deferred

[2:11:23] Voice 19: as long as there's an active application.

[2:11:25] Voice 19: We voted not to continue with the application

[2:11:28] Voice 19: and therefore enforcement started again.

[2:11:30] Voice 19: The question from, I think, Richard

[2:11:33] Voice 19: was whether the enforcement could be deferred

[2:11:37] Voice 19: until after the OCP review is concluded

[2:11:39] Voice 19: and that I've put to staff

[2:11:41] Voice 19: and I don't yet have an answer.

[2:11:43] Voice 7: Yeah, thank you.

[2:11:44] Voice 7: That was a unique staff.

[2:11:45] Voice 7: It's just because they're both

[2:11:46] Voice 7: with the OCP and both, right?

[2:11:48] Voice 19: Can you please stop with the commentary?

[2:11:50] Voice 19: Thanks.

[2:11:50] Voice 7: No.

[2:11:51] Voice 19: Well, then I will ask you to leave.

[2:11:53] Voice 19: Are

[2:11:55] Voice 7: you asking me to?

[2:11:56] Voice 7: I

[2:11:57] Voice 19: said, would you please stop with the commentary?

[2:12:02] Voice 6: I tried to present a less than three-minute verbal response.

[2:12:16] Voice 6: And from a lot of research I did about isolated islands and evacuation plans.

[2:12:24] Voice 6: And, you know, there's an amazing amount of information in the one that I mentioned, the guide of First Nations in British Columbia.

[2:12:36] Voice 6: And it seems like they're very pro having ways to evacuate.

[2:12:41] Voice 6: I don't know. I feel really frustrated and defeated at this meeting.

[2:12:46] Voice 6: I don't normally come to meetings because of that.

[2:12:48] Voice 6: And I feel like that the it's been implemented already that the bylaw enforcement has started.

[2:13:00] Voice 6: It's very time sensitive. All they're discussing right now is how long do you have to take this stock out?

[2:13:06] Voice 6: That's what the carriers are looking at right now.

[2:13:10] Voice 6: There's not time to go to other agencies and ask for things if this needed.

[2:13:14] Voice 6: And I think he would agree that there's a lot of public desire to have it studied a bit farther and analyzed a bit more and make sure that this is the correct decision, rather than have it nipped at first reading to where none of that can come out.

[2:13:35] Voice 6: It's dead.

[2:13:37] Voice 6: And now if something doesn't change, basically today, this won't happen.

[2:13:41] Voice 6: happen they'll all that's going to happen is they're going to be told what date that doc has

[2:13:45] Voice 6: to be out by end of story so it's really in your guys's ballpark right now and there's a lot of

[2:13:52] Voice 6: public desire to to deal with this and to not just see it die i mean i've tried to point out how it

[2:14:02] Voice 6: legitimately has a reason to be be there even if okay you want an easement whatever john gary's

[2:14:09] Voice 6: kind of guy would really work with you but you don't know that you know you don't know what kind

[2:14:13] Voice 6: of neighbor he is his finest kind anyway i'm disheartened that uh it has to be nipped right

[2:14:20] Voice 6: now before the consultation happens before there's a chance to keep this door open i i would really

[2:14:28] Voice 6: like you guys to give it an opportunity you know that that's what i i would like to see happen

[2:14:33] Voice 6: I just see that the basic consensus seems to be from the governmental perspective, i.e. yours, we don't want docs here.

[2:14:42] Voice 6: And it's very hard to get one and to apply for one.

[2:14:48] Voice 6: It's not easy to do.

[2:14:50] Voice 6: You don't even know how to do it.

[2:14:52] Voice 6: So anyway, it really is in your court if you would like to see this continue.

[2:14:56] Voice 6: continue um it is it can't be but the can can't be kicked down the road unless you guys right now

[2:15:04] Voice 6: say okay we're gonna let it go a bit farther and see what the public has to say see if there is a

[2:15:10] Voice 6: legal easement potential to see why don't we want to do this i mean why do we want to finish it

[2:15:16] Voice 6: right now what's the what's the impulse to do that anyway i i appreciate what you guys are doing

[2:15:24] Voice 6: and it's a big responsibility and hard to do to to govern people and to try to make things fair and

[2:15:30] Voice 6: genuine i i i appreciate that that's what you're trying to do but we're all frustrated too because

[2:15:37] Voice 6: we don't know how to make anything happen you know so thank you very much thank

[2:15:42] Voice 14: you thank you sir

[2:15:55] Voice 14: Thanks

[2:15:59] Voice 4: for the various comments.

[2:16:01] Voice 4: I understand that from what you said, Chair, that there was an application in process.

[2:16:07] Voice 4: And by shutting down that first reading, that triggered the bylaw enforcement.

[2:16:15] Voice 4: Did I hear that correct?

[2:16:16] Voice 4: So it was your actions that triggered the bylaw enforcement.

[2:16:21] Voice 4: by

[2:16:22] Voice 19: law enforcement already had a file since can you refresh 2020 whenever the doc was put in

[2:16:31] Voice 19: contrary to the Laskiti land use bylaw there was already by law enforcement it's deferred or paused

[2:16:38] Voice 19: when there's an application and there's been two applications and

[2:16:42] Voice 4: they paid the 20 the the 20 percent

[2:16:47] Voice 4: penalty to keep the application current so that it could go to various readings

[2:16:53] Voice 4: and you're shutting it down at the first reading and throwing it out triggers the bylaw enforcement

[2:16:59] Voice 4: yes

[2:17:01] Voice 10: yeah it

[2:17:02] Voice 4: does so it's your action that is triggering the bylaw enforcement i just want

[2:17:07] Voice 4: TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE THAT CLEAR. THANK YOU.

[2:17:13] Voice 9: NEW SPEAKER I JUST HAVE BEEN SITTING THROUGH ALL THIS AND

[2:17:20] Voice 9: IT APPEARS TO ME SORT OF A PROCEDURAL DEVIATION OR A

[2:17:27] Voice 9: SUCCESSION OF PROCEDURAL DEVIATIONS.

[2:17:31] Voice 9: YOU ORIGINALLY AGREED TO TAKE IT TO SECOND READING.

[2:17:36] Voice 9: among yourselves

[2:17:38] Voice 9: in the last

[2:17:41] Voice 9: meeting you

[2:17:44] Voice 9: voted

[2:17:45] Voice 9: to not proceed any further

[2:17:46] Voice 9: and that

[2:17:49] Voice 9: to me is just kind of a procedural

[2:17:51] Voice 9: deviation

[2:17:52] Voice 9: of

[2:17:57] Voice 9: your

[2:17:57] Voice 9: original

[2:17:59] Voice 9: or you sort of sabotage

[2:18:02] Voice 9: your original intent

[2:18:03] Voice 9: and I don't see why you can't have another

[2:18:06] Voice 9: procedural deviation

[2:18:08] Voice 9: the agent and vote to reinstate a second reading i know she probably can't do it but i mean

[2:18:16] Voice 9: the whole procedure just gets hung up on these goddamn regulations excuse

[2:18:22] Voice 19: me language you know

[2:18:23] Voice 9: story okay thank

[2:18:24] Voice 19: you i

[2:18:26] Voice 9: think trustee

[2:18:28] Voice 19: peterson has a response and then i will do my best

[2:18:33] Voice 26: yeah just a comment we didn't go from second reading back to first reading or anything like

[2:18:39] Voice 26: that we had an application at our last meeting we considered a motion for first reading which i made

[2:18:46] Voice 26: that motion failed and then a motion was made to deny the application which i voted against

[2:18:53] Voice 26: and that was the procedure that we didn't we never got to second reading because you can't

[2:18:58] Voice 26: get there without a first reading if that makes any sense i hope that helps clear it up

[2:19:02] Voice 19: and

[2:19:03] Voice 17: the

[2:19:06] Voice 19: previous path had been to direct staff to draft bylaws there was intent

[2:19:12] Voice 19: to see what would these bylaws look like before moving through the process

[2:19:17] Voice 19: us. All

[2:19:20] Voice 19: I can say is the context in which we are making decisions now is always we must consider

[2:19:31] Voice 19: the OCP, your community OCP, which many, many people came to this room and said,

[2:19:41] Voice 19: please uphold the policies in our OCP. And I would say we have heard not from people in this

[2:19:48] Voice 19: room today because you're all speaking of you know in one view but there are

[2:19:53] Voice 19: many people in your community who want your OCP policies upheld and we're not

[2:19:58] Voice 19: supportive of that thought going through so the intent was let's draft let's ask

[2:20:07] Voice 19: staff to draft the bylaw and see what it looks like in the drafting of the bylaw

[2:20:12] Voice 19: the context appears that oh yes this now must be referred to all these other

[2:20:16] Voice 19: agencies and First Nations and what is that going to look like again referring after the fact so

[2:20:24] Voice 19: I'm sorry that this does appear to everybody was encouraged that we're going to get to this

[2:20:31] Voice 19: bylaw potential and and it didn't pass and that is the decision of the LTC

[2:20:37] Voice 19: yeah and I think after maybe two more speakers we need to this is the last one okay

[2:20:51] Voice 19: to continue with our meeting i

[2:20:55] Voice 10: came completely open-minded i wasn't a decision one way or the

[2:20:59] Voice 10: other

[2:21:00] Voice 29: from

[2:21:02] Voice 10: what i gather listening if you applied now prior to building the dock it's legal

[2:21:12] Voice 10: it's environmentally okay it's socially okay especially if you're considering the evacuation

[2:21:23] Voice 10: So it couldn't exist had he been patient and gone through the application prior to building it.

[2:21:37] Voice 10: So if

[2:21:39] Voice 4: it's in the best interest of

[2:21:41] Voice 16: this island and evacuation, it's not environmentally dangerous.

[2:21:48] Voice 10: The

[2:21:49] Voice 16: only issue is that he did it before he showed up.

[2:21:55] Voice 16: but if it's if if it would be legal and okay having a procedure there's nothing wrong with

[2:22:02] Voice 16: it other than he's getting spanked because he didn't ask permission but either a community

[2:22:10] Voice 16: spanking him isn't in our best interest we want a dock where we can get off when it's stormy

[2:22:18] Voice 16: and and so it's pretty straightforward to me if everything is okay why isn't it okay

[2:22:36] Voice 10: I have a I want to reiterate a question that I have it could be answered simply with a

[2:22:44] Voice 10: no we don't have any examples or with an example can you give any example where any member of the

[2:22:50] Voice 10: public has done any of the things that were mentioned in the December staff report concerning

[2:22:55] Voice 10: this conduct in these meetings a simple no you can't or a simple yes and then give an exact

[2:23:02] Voice 10: specific incident? Could you do that, please?

[2:23:06] Voice 19: I've already answered the question.

[2:23:07] Voice 10: You didn't answer the question. Yeah, you're not going to answer the question because you don't

[2:23:14] Voice 10: have any.

[2:23:15] Voice 11: I'm sorry, you did mention something about that the group of people here were mostly

[2:23:19] Voice 11: for the people that are in favor of the dock.

[2:23:23] Voice 19: It appears from what I'm hearing. Okay, so the

[2:23:26] Voice 11: people that aren't in favor of the dock, how is their vote counted? Like, how is it that they can

[2:23:32] Voice 11: put in their application that you know they're not in favor shouldn't they be here at the town hall

[2:23:37] Voice 11: they

[2:23:37] Voice 10: never show up so

[2:23:39] Voice 11: how did they

[2:23:39] Voice 10: how is it that you

[2:23:41] Voice 11: know that i've

[2:23:42] Voice 10: come to every meeting

[2:23:43] Voice 10: they're never here yes

[2:23:45] Voice 11: so how is it that you know there are people against it

[2:23:48] Voice 11: okay

[2:23:49] Voice 6: and

[2:23:52] Voice 11: how would our our um desire to have this dog be better represented

[2:24:03] Voice 10: good question everyone

[2:24:04] Voice 19: speaks for themselves and what i'm hearing in this room is a lot of concern

[2:24:10] Voice 19: over process over how much the public has been consulted over why this did not proceed to first

[2:24:18] Voice 19: reading so that all the members of the public could have their say what i've heard in the last

[2:24:24] Voice 19: three years is many different views about the doc and about

[2:24:30] Voice 19: it's being yes and in meetings

[2:24:32] Voice 19: when the carries were here it's been presented multiple times there is not just one unilateral

[2:24:38] Voice 19: view and yes this could proceed to first reading and we could do basically a a vote on it how many

[2:24:44] Voice 19: are for and how many against but there are still many outstanding questions how could the permanent

[2:24:50] Voice 19: public social good of this doc be secured. That was not satisfied by the applicants or through

[2:25:00] Voice 19: this process. The

[2:25:05] Voice 19: OCP policies did not support this doc either. This was shown in multiple

[2:25:10] Voice 19: staff reports. Your own OCP policies did not

[2:25:13] Voice 10: support it.

[2:25:15] Voice 19: And I'm sorry that this is disappointing

[2:25:19] Voice 19: pointing to some but i really am sorry and i think we need to close this meet this part of

[2:25:27] Voice 19: our meeting we're at 1 30 trustee laroni has uh a comment thank you okay

[2:25:33] Voice 10: so

[2:25:35] Voice 25: this comment i mean

[2:25:36] Voice 25: this is not necessarily specifically to what um the last speakers said or the one before it's just

[2:25:43] Voice 25: kind of what i've been hearing through this and i believe um i we were toby as our trustee elliot

[2:25:53] Voice 25: and i were asked why we voted the way we did and i believe trustee elliot did answer that

[2:26:00] Voice 25: and i just wanted to include some of the reasons why i made my vote um so one of the big ones was

[2:26:13] Voice 25: the OCP is created by the community for the community. It is our chance for public consultation

[2:26:20] Voice 25: and the applicants didn't consult the public. They did not consult the community. They just built it

[2:26:25] Voice 25: and this isn't scapegoating. This isn't like the what we were being accused of for First Nations.

[2:26:34] Voice 25: This is reality. The community was not consulted and it sets a precedence that if our bylaws mean

[2:26:40] Voice 25: nothing and we don't enforce them, then is it going to be a free-for-all? I know people are

[2:26:48] Voice 25: against the trust in one hand, but on the other hand, they say, oh, we don't want to become like

[2:26:52] Voice 25: Salt Spring. Salt Spring has the trust and they're still Salt Spring. And we work on a report-based

[2:27:00] Voice 25: system. Nobody goes around the island hunting for by-law infractions. So if somebody, I mean,

[2:27:05] Voice 25: somebody obviously reported the stalk. I don't know who, nobody knows who, but the by-law

[2:27:09] Voice 25: enforcement officer and the person who reported it so if they are against it i mean that's saying

[2:27:15] Voice 25: that there are not that we're not all in unison and that we've received emails of calls of people

[2:27:20] Voice 25: who are opposed to this and i mean the people who are opposed to this said oh the doc didn't go

[2:27:27] Voice 25: through we're done we don't need to be at this meeting i don't know that a lot of them i didn't

[2:27:31] Voice 25: know this many people were going to show up for this meeting i'm not sure that they did either

[2:27:35] Voice 25: i just know where i know i'm hearing that people wanted more consultation

[2:27:41] Voice 28: but that

[2:27:42] Voice 25: was the OCP that was the consultation and maybe you should talk to the applicants and

[2:27:47] Voice 25: about why they didn't want to engage with the community and have consultation with them because

[2:27:52] Voice 25: they chose not to do that and just beg forgiveness later that's all

[2:27:56] Voice 14: okay

[2:27:57] Voice 30: we're

[2:27:59] Voice 19: gonna close I have

[2:28:00] Voice 30: some points of information that I'd like to add I'm

[2:28:03] Voice 19: sorry but we have expended the last 15 minutes

[2:28:06] Voice 19: and so I'm going to have to ask the local trust committee if they want to extend this

[2:28:10] Voice 19: thank you for doing it um trustees we are at 1 35 and uh we need to get to one item

[2:28:23] Voice 19: uh before 2 p.m that is 10.1 it is next so i think we can get to it

[2:28:37] Voice 19: that has

[2:28:38] Voice 26: to be done before two o'clock yeah

[2:28:39] Voice 19: well no um renee needs to leave at two so

[2:28:43] Voice 19: So we need to address them.

[2:28:49] Voice 26: I want to recess or something for lunch and all that too.

[2:28:55] Voice 26: I'll move that we extend the

[2:28:58] Voice 26: time for another 10 minutes.

[2:29:01] Voice 26: But we do need a break.

[2:29:05] Voice 26: I'll move that we extend the time for 10 minutes.

[2:29:08] Voice 19: Okay, move to extend the public participation time for 10 more minutes.

[2:29:13] Voice 19: it is now 1.34. Do I have a seconder? Trustee Leroni, you still have your hand up. I don't

[2:29:20] Voice 19: know if that's from before. Are you seconding? 10 more minutes? If you think

[2:29:29] Voice 25: we have time.

[2:29:31] Voice 19: All those in favor? Those in favor say aye. That is carried. So we'll have 10 more minutes.

[2:29:38] Voice 19: I'm going to allot two minutes to each person, please. Thank you.

[2:29:50] Voice 10: My name is Dave Olson.

[2:29:51] Voice 10: Please put this in the public record.

[2:29:54] Voice 10: Point of information.

[2:29:55] Voice 10: Before you took the application of documentation down from the website,

[2:30:00] Voice 10: There were 50 letters in support of the application, 11 against, 54, 11 against.

[2:30:10] Voice 10: Another point of information is that your fee bylaw, which I mentioned, allows applications after the fact.

[2:30:18] Voice 10: I keep hearing this information from trustees today.

[2:30:22] Voice 10: They did follow everything in the OTP.

[2:30:27] Voice 10: fee. They cannot do public consultation until you give it first reading. So they cannot consult

[2:30:35] Voice 10: First Nations unless you give it first reading. You've said that yourself. So you cannot say they

[2:30:43] Voice 10: didn't follow the process. You cannot say that it was illegally done. It was completely legally done.

[2:30:49] Voice 10: your fee bylaw totally approves, totally allows people to do something and apply after the fact.

[2:30:57] Voice 10: So question to both trustees and planning staff, why do you accept after the fact applications and

[2:31:04] Voice 10: apply a 20% surcharge if you are not going to fully consider these applications? So that's

[2:31:11] Voice 10: the question. But I want to reiterate Grover's position and virtually everybody's position here.

[2:31:17] Voice 10: You have the power to rescind your motion from the last meeting.

[2:31:23] Voice 10: You have that power.

[2:31:24] Voice 10: Thank you.

[2:31:25] Voice 10: And you can do that right now.

[2:31:28] Voice 10: You can do that in this meeting today.

[2:31:31] Voice 10: And that would make the application active again.

[2:31:34] Voice 10: And that would prevent bylaw from enforcing the onward dog.

[2:31:39] Voice 10: That would answer everybody's wishes here today.

[2:31:43] Voice 10: day. And again, 50 letters in support, 11 against. And that's without a public process.

[2:31:51] Voice 10: And there are most, I would guess half of the people here have not written letters in

[2:31:57] Voice 10: support. So please answer those two questions.

[2:32:05] Voice 19: All of these questions, just because of the time, we're going to have to refer to staff

[2:32:10] Voice 19: to bring that for the next meeting. So as to why do we accept applications after the

[2:32:14] Voice 19: fact having a post-activity fee for it i can't answer that at this time

[2:32:22] Voice 7: they couldn't do the right things

[2:32:30] Voice 10: we have heard

[2:32:32] Voice 19: your comments and those of many others and we will deliberate today

[2:32:36] Voice 19: great is there anybody else who wishes to you

[2:32:40] Voice 16: should get with space to let them do that

[2:32:53] Voice 15: it's yes well i have one more question um was there a legal process philip told me he tried

[2:32:58] Voice 15: to give you guys an application and there was no there was no path forward for him to submit

[2:33:05] Voice 15: an application donald carey told me that that he he it was all about they said you guys wouldn't

[2:33:11] Voice 15: accept it that there there is no pathway for him to hand you the application when he told me that

[2:33:18] Voice 15: it just he tried well

[2:33:20] Voice 19: there was an application and

[2:33:23] Voice 15: it wasn't accepted did you guys take it

[2:33:26] Voice 15: yes

[2:33:26] Voice 19: yeah we were getting reports on the application there was lots of information

[2:33:31] Voice 19: provided over the last two years when the application was made so there was a path for

[2:33:36] Voice 19: an application it

[2:33:36] Voice 16: wasn't that okay

[2:33:37] Voice 19: any other questions or comments

[2:33:41] Voice 16: it's still bottom line

[2:33:43] Voice 16: or is the dog acceptable is it environmentally okay it's only bureaucracy okay

[2:33:49] Voice 19: i think we're

[2:33:50] Voice 19: going to we're just going over the same comments again so i will close the uh town hall and we're

[2:33:57] Voice 19: going to recess uh only for 10 minutes just

[2:34:01] Voice 23: so that we can come back

[2:34:03] Voice 19: for item 10 points

[2:34:04] Voice 19: thank you everyone we're ready to continue we will still take a lunch

[2:45:19] Voice 19: break or slightly longer break just to give everyone a chance to refresh

[2:45:24] Voice 19: themselves but we needed to get to item 10.1 before a staff member has to leave

[2:45:32] Voice 19: so i'd like to amend the agenda and go come back to section six seven eight and nine

[2:45:42] Voice 19: and go to item 10.1 the memorandum rate early engagement options with first nations as a minor

[2:45:50] Voice 19: project it's on page 13 of the agenda and this is a memo presented by a regional planning manager

[2:45:59] Voice 19: Hello, Renée.

[2:46:04] Voice 19: After

[2:46:06] Voice 2: your LTC, can you hear me okay?

[2:46:08] Voice 24: Yep.

[2:46:09] Voice 2: Okay, great.

[2:46:11] Voice 2: So this item on the agenda is following up from a request that you had asked for staff to report back on with options and scope for a potential minor project related to early engagement and consultation with nations.

[2:46:27] Voice 2: and to see if there's any core interests or concerns that could happen

[2:46:33] Voice 2: ahead of the official community plan review project as a major project.

[2:46:39] Voice 2: So staff have looked at the request and looked at the information that relates to this.

[2:46:48] Voice 2: So some of the information that I want to sort of call out today

[2:46:53] Voice 2: and based on the staff report that's provided in item 10.1,

[2:46:57] Voice 2: This is page 13 of the agenda.

[2:47:01] Voice 2: The regional planning team is assigned to work on major projects, and this includes what is now the Liskiti Official Community Plan major project review.

[2:47:14] Voice 2: And as part of that, what the regional planning team looks at is all of the major project reviews that are happening across the trust area

[2:47:23] Voice 2: and looks at what projects are queued up and are happening within their time.

[2:47:32] Voice 2: So for this current fiscal year, we're talking 2025-2026,

[2:47:38] Voice 2: the budget has been approved.

[2:47:40] Voice 2: The budget business case has been approved for the Liskiti Major Project.

[2:47:44] Voice 2: However, the time for the regional planning team to get to this project

[2:47:49] Voice 2: won't be until later this year.

[2:47:51] Voice 2: There's some other projects that are currently underway for other local trust areas that include other official community plan reviews that they're looking at right now.

[2:48:03] Voice 2: And it's the hope or the anticipation with those other work plans that they'll progress and be able to, the regional planning team, be able to allocate time to then come to the LTC with some project information, including a project charter and scope to make sure that the LTC has a chance to look at it, the community has a chance to look at it as part of the agenda and ask any questions before beginning that work.

[2:48:34] Voice 2: Part of, I recognize, and as part of this request, staff looked back at the minor project items and the LTC's request to add additional items.

[2:48:50] Voice 2: So this is an expanded scope as a major project, which is why it's sitting with the Regional Planning Committee and the Regional Planning Team to complete this work.

[2:49:00] Voice 2: So, unfortunately, staff aren't able to start this as a minor project because it is for the regional planning team to manage as a major project.

[2:49:13] Voice 2: However, there could be other actions or other activities outside of the major project work that the LTC could request staff to continue through some minor project work as it relates to land use.

[2:49:32] Voice 2: So, one idea that I included in the report was, for example, it could be maybe working on some communications or brochures or something related to land use that would be of particular interest to a nation or nations that you've heard or that nations have expressed that the LTC could work on as a minor project.

[2:49:58] Voice 2: So I wanted to put this to the LTC for any questions, but this response back, so this information back to the LTC is that, unfortunately, the work related to the major project needs to stay with the major project, but we could explore other ideas the LTC may have for a minor project.

[2:50:29] Voice 14: Thank

[2:50:32] Voice 19: you, staff, yes, it was our hope that there could be some aspect of the major project

[2:50:39] Voice 19: advanced to support the OCP review so that we could get things going and we've heard

[2:50:49] Voice 19: many times from community members here that the long delays to the Mesquite OCP review

[2:50:56] Voice 19: review has really set us back in terms of planning forward

[2:51:02] Voice 19: thinking for this community.

[2:51:04] Voice 19: So do we have any comments from trustees on the reports?

[2:51:13] Voice 26: Thank you, chair.

[2:51:15] Voice 26: So what I'm taking away from this report is that work

[2:51:23] Voice 26: for a minor project that is directly related

[2:51:26] Voice 26: to the major project essentially can't happen.

[2:51:29] Voice 26: and it needs to be different work than what's going to go on in the major project.

[2:51:34] Voice 26: Is that correct?

[2:51:35] Voice 2: That's correct, Trustee Peterson.

[2:51:38] Voice 2: And it's because of how we've structured and organized the way we carry out the LTC

[2:51:46] Voice 2: and the trust's business with major and minor projects through planning services.

[2:51:54] Voice 26: Okay, because I'm also reading in the report there's options and alternatives listed.

[2:52:01] Voice 26: One of the options could be to create communication material in coordination with the nation on

[2:52:08] Voice 26: a land use related topic that's identified and important to a nation.

[2:52:12] Voice 26: So I mean, that sounds like a way to do some work.

[2:52:20] Voice 26: But I guess the question is, I would assume that staff would want the land use related

[2:52:25] Voice 26: topic to be identified.

[2:52:29] Voice 26: And I think maybe it would be helpful to have some information for the local trust committee on what type of land use related topics could be identified that don't fall within the work that's already being undertaken for the OCP.

[2:52:49] Voice 26: So

[2:52:53] Voice 2: through the chair, the land use topics, it's more about what the request or the idea could be for the kind of work that could happen or that's desired to happen.

[2:53:08] Voice 2: So, if it's, can we, can there be some updates to the official community plan that is happening as a major project?

[2:53:19] Voice 2: If there is, I think because of this, the resolution, I'll just read, it was specifically tied to finding out if we can,

[2:53:32] Voice 2: if there can be some early work done, engagement work with nations related to inform the OCP major project.

[2:53:40] Voice 2: So that's where we, staff, were looking at that.

[2:53:44] Voice 2: And I was looking at that through what we have for current policies and how we divvy up the work.

[2:53:52] Voice 2: So land use topics, that could still, that's still available, right?

[2:53:57] Voice 2: Right. I'm expressing or clarifying land use topics because that's where planning services supports your work.

[2:54:05] Voice 2: If it's an advocacy or another kind of idea that you have, while it may not be planning services, it's helpful to know because then what we would do is we would refer or or speak with trust area services and they may have different options that they can support you with in a request.

[2:54:27] Voice 2: So it's land use related. I think it's more open. It's the actual type of work that or idea that you have that that will sort of what we'll talk about how that relates to a minor project or if it's tied to the major project.

[2:54:48] Voice 26: Yeah, I guess so. I guess what I'm trying to get at is, is it worth requesting that staff bring back some examples of some work that we could do that would be within that bucket, but not infringing on the OCP project?

[2:55:06] Voice 26: Just because since we don't have much in front of us to work with today, I don't feel like we've got enough information to, you know, to really put you guys to work to do a project that we don't have defined at this point.

[2:55:22] Voice 26: So I'm just thinking more in terms of maybe a request to staff to provide some other options for a minor project.

[2:55:29] Voice 26: Does that seem a reasonable approach?

[2:55:31] Voice 2: Through the chair.

[2:55:33] Voice 2: Thanks, Trustee Pearson.

[2:55:34] Voice 2: I can appreciate that.

[2:55:35] Voice 2: But staff are also trying to brainstorm on some ideas to just even include in the report here.

[2:55:44] Voice 2: This was one of the ideas, but we haven't come up with anything else.

[2:55:50] Voice 2: So we're really hoping the LTC could give us some sort of idea of what could be possible

[2:55:59] Voice 2: possible if you have some ideas in mind, like you like the idea of communicating or clarifying

[2:56:09] Voice 2: some communications out on some common topics, or you like the idea of with relations with First

[2:56:17] Voice 2: Nations, meeting together to talk about, and again, it would have to be that different than

[2:56:25] Voice 2: what we would do through the OCP review, or it may be that right now we look to the OCP

[2:56:32] Voice 2: major review for any conversations with nations on the land use for Liskiti that's happening.

[2:56:41] Voice 26: Yeah, I guess my difficulty is not really having a very clear idea of what the delineation

[2:56:50] Voice 26: of OCP related topics and other land use topics might be for for us to discuss and delve into and

[2:56:58] Voice 26: I just I'm feeling like we probably don't have time to get into a law I know you have to leave

[2:57:02] Voice 26: soon um I don't know if we have the today is the opportunity to have that so I'm just wondering

[2:57:08] Voice 26: about what we might do that would um request staff to kind of bring this back to us for a

[2:57:15] Voice 26: further discussion when we maybe not so constrained by the time but do you get my point like what is

[2:57:23] Voice 26: what are the land use topics that are not going to sort of be directly related to the ocp and i

[2:57:28] Voice 26: don't i just i'm just not clear enough and we don't have enough time today so but i also don't

[2:57:32] Voice 26: want to let the notion of doing work on a minor project totally fall by the wayside so just

[2:57:39] Voice 26: anyway i'm going to pass it over the chair so

[2:57:44] Voice 19: for instance um on our pm general

[2:57:48] Voice 19: if there was a project to improve public consultation uh and engagement with the

[2:57:58] Voice 19: community and communication with the luskete community that is in general is general in nature

[2:58:07] Voice 19: but that could look at our processes, policies, the bylaw that was, is just about to be passed

[2:58:14] Voice 19: by trust council, the delivery of agendas to the meeting in general, the engagement

[2:58:22] Voice 19: process that could work for Liskety, could that be considered a minor project?

[2:58:31] Voice 2: You're talking about the, any sort of standard type process that the Island Trust would use

[2:58:40] Voice 2: for project engagement well

[2:58:46] Voice 19: hearing what I asked sorry hearing what we have today

[2:58:50] Voice 19: there is a lot of discontent with the process in general and I think we're hearing that

[2:58:59] Voice 19: people do not feel that our process is well

[2:59:09] Voice 19: is well conducted or is meeting their needs and what I'm wondering is not just looking at the

[2:59:17] Voice 19: process that we have but is there okay because Liskiti has gone through a lot of engagement on

[2:59:26] Voice 19: the OCP already but in essence it took what would be a planner directed project and the community

[2:59:36] Voice 19: went through, the Liskiti Community Association held a bunch of meetings, created some draft

[2:59:41] Voice 19: policies and brought that back.

[2:59:43] Voice 19: What we have is sort of a hybrid model that's not really satisfying, I would say, the local

[2:59:49] Voice 19: government or the members of the community.

[2:59:52] Voice 19: And I'm wondering if we can do some work to come up with a truly...

[3:00:00] Voice 19: equitable engagement plan for Liskiti that will eventually support the OCP review because

[3:00:10] Voice 19: here are the tools that we agree will work. And that could include surveys,

[3:00:17] Voice 19: how do people receive information, timing, just in general communication and engagement

[3:00:27] Voice 19: engagement uh with the liskiti community so that we can all be on board with um with how things

[3:00:35] Voice 19: work through

[3:00:38] Voice 2: the chair um so that does i guess i have a couple clarifying questions um that would

[3:00:46] Voice 2: be different than what maybe this motion is about in terms of building positive relationships with

[3:00:52] Voice 2: nations any other ideas to do that um that work so if you're speaking not to this particular

[3:00:59] Voice 2: um this particular motion or action resolution for for this um then that would be a different

[3:01:08] Voice 2: topic which is fine a different idea for a minor project which is fine um the opportunity for

[3:01:16] Voice 2: For engagement options and the way engagement can happen and timing and what that looks like, that can happen and be customized through the major project.

[3:01:33] Voice 2: So through the OCP major project is where my advice would be that happens, is that conversation happens with the community and the LTC about what does that engagement plan look like?

[3:01:49] Voice 2: And what kind of activities and how often do you want, does the community want to hear updates and participate and provide comments and read material, draft material, that can all happen. It doesn't need to be a standard or one size fits all for Liskiti's bylaws. That can happen in a customized way for this major project.

[3:02:11] Voice 2: So that idea, I think, is best suited for the major project, because I think that's the ultimate goal.

[3:02:21] Voice 2: We'll be asking that question, the planners through the regional planning team will be asking those questions anyways, and be asking the question about engagement and what that looks like for this major project.

[3:02:42] Voice 22: It could

[3:02:43] Voice 2: be if you had a targeted or specific items to update for another bylaw, whether it's, if there's, I guess it depends on the zoning bylaw review, a zoning bylaw, because once the OCP is completed, we would look to updating the land use bylaw for Liskety.

[3:03:06] Voice 2: So, but if there are targeted amendments, that could be possible through a minor project, depending on what they are.

[3:03:17] Voice 2: If there's any non-land use bylaw related ideas you have, that could be something we can explore as well.

[3:03:28] Voice 2: Well, when I spoke with my counterparts in the other local trust areas, one of the ideas

[3:03:36] Voice 2: that came up was preparing some communication material, but I didn't get too many other

[3:03:42] Voice 2: ideas or examples to share through this report, unfortunately, to offer that.

[3:03:52] Voice 26: Yeah, I mean, Tara?

[3:03:54] Voice 26: Yeah, my reflection is when we were discussing this earlier and hit on this idea, one of the other options that we had discussed was potential for mapping community values on the shoreline.

[3:04:12] Voice 26: That was, I think, was identified as could be a minor project, but might be of long duration.

[3:04:23] Voice 26: Yeah, I guess the difficulty here is I'm just not really clear where topics might be veering

[3:04:31] Voice 26: into the scope of the OCP review.

[3:04:33] Voice 26: So I was considering a motion to ask you to report back to us on some options for a minor

[3:04:42] Voice 26: project that don't include the items within the scope of the OCP review.

[3:04:45] Voice 26: I hear that you had to try to have some brainstorming and haven't come up with a lot of other things,

[3:04:51] Voice 26: but I just don't want it to I don't want the option to work on a minor project to disappear

[3:05:00] Voice 26: so I'm not sure it's worth making that motion today but maybe it's just more about

[3:05:07] Voice 26: maybe it's more about the trustees and staff having a little think about that and also perhaps

[3:05:16] Voice 26: doing some outreach to other members of the public to see what else what other topics we might

[3:05:23] Voice 26: might pursue but i think to aid that it would be really useful if if we could sort of identify

[3:05:32] Voice 26: where that line is so we don't um set staff to work on preparing a report that ends up saying

[3:05:40] Voice 26: well this is really this topic's really in your ocp review like a second time so don't waste your

[3:05:46] Voice 26: time or our time but i'm just not really clear where that you know where's where's the line

[3:05:52] Voice 26: between what's in the review in a way or what can be done outside of the review it sounds like

[3:05:59] Voice 26: there's there's a little bit of leeway depending on how we might approach a topic but it's it's

[3:06:05] Voice 26: just it's a little muddy to me at this point i'm i'm not making it any clearer i apologize

[3:06:11] Voice 2: through the chair if it um your idea trustee peterson about um brainstorming offline and

[3:06:19] Voice 2: And speaking with community members for ideas, that is possible.

[3:06:25] Voice 2: If it leads to amending the official community plan, the bylaw amendment, think of that as falling to the major project.

[3:06:39] Voice 2: If it's something else, I think the topics related to the official

[3:06:44] Voice 2: community plan include the engagement.

[3:06:47] Voice 2: I guess I'll pause for a moment.

[3:06:53] Voice 2: I guess what I can offer for clarification with the official community plan projects, it's a bigger bylaw and it's also the community's plan for land use designations, future land use.

[3:07:08] Voice 2: So in that itself involves research, potential studies and reports that can come through that, engagement with agencies, with community members, with nations.

[3:07:22] Voice 2: So it's not just, we all recognize it's not just a simple tabletop exercise of writing in some draft words. This involves going out into the community and having these conversations.

[3:07:37] Voice 2: So there's a lot of actions or activities that we wouldn't normally think about, or we would think those are minor project type activities, but because this is a bigger review and on such an important bylaw, those activities all sort of get packaged up with the major project.

[3:07:58] Voice 2: So, if it's another type of bylaw, that could be a minor project. If it's, and I think that's where I'll start there, but perhaps there could be maybe some ideas if you have any, once we brainstorm, we can maybe clarify more of that.

[3:08:19] Voice 2: and I'm happy to follow up once we've had those sort of conversations I'm happy to follow up

[3:08:25] Voice 2: at another local trust meeting in the future to offer that clarification so the community can

[3:08:31] Voice 2: also hear that too I think I think it's a good approach for us to maybe do some more thinking

[3:08:39] Voice 2: together more brainstorming and understand what what the LTC's ideas and ultimate goal is

[3:08:46] Voice 2: And we can then look at that and provide you some information.

[3:08:50] Voice 2: And

[3:08:56] Voice 19: when do you anticipate that the OCP review major project will actually get started?

[3:09:04] Voice 2: It's dependent on the progress of the current projects that the regional planning team are working on.

[3:09:10] Voice 2: So as of this point in time, it looks like this in the fall, the earliest.

[3:09:19] Voice 2: However, I would need to reach out to the regional planning team, manager and director CIRMAC to get a more accurate update on when that can happen.

[3:09:32] Voice 2: My understanding is it could, anticipated fall goes well with the progress of the other projects in the fall.

[3:09:42] Voice 19: Yeah. So great. Well, as far as I was concerned, the intent of this request was to speed things along to capture some elements of the OCP review to get started as a minor project.

[3:09:57] Voice 19: But it doesn't look like that's possible, nor is it possible to really confirm the engagement and consultation methods that would be best used for the Liskiti community, because that as well would be part of the OCP review.

[3:10:18] Voice 19: view so since we're just about through summer um it sounds like we'll have to wait until fall to

[3:10:25] Voice 19: get um get things started which i have to say i'm disappointed about but it's where we're at

[3:10:33] Voice 19: we cannot just we don't have any more people to do the work that's it's got to get slated in when

[3:10:40] Voice 19: other work is finished if that's what i'm hearing correctly through

[3:10:44] Voice 2: the chair if i can offer i'm just

[3:10:45] Voice 2: trying to grasp at some ideas if for a minor project not related to to activities with nations

[3:10:56] Voice 2: if you're thinking about other ideas it could be maybe there's some informational brochures or

[3:11:04] Voice 2: things that you would like to produce for the LISC-ED community about development processes

[3:11:09] Voice 2: processes and application processes. That could be an idea. It could be something along those

[3:11:16] Voice 2: lines that you think will also be some good work that you think the community will benefit from.

[3:11:21] Voice 2: And we can, that would be an example of a minor project.

[3:11:25] Voice 19: Okay. Thank you. That's helpful.

[3:11:30] Voice 19: Further discussion on this item? If not, we'll do some brainstorming in the meantime.

[3:11:36] Voice 19: time great thank you rpm general take care chair okay so we'll go back to section six we've got

[3:12:02] Voice 19: local trust committee meeting minutes dated may 12th 2025 for adoption it's on page three of your

[3:12:10] Voice 19: agenda did everything look okay i'll take it by general consent that the minutes of may 12th 2025

[3:12:44] Voice 19: 25 the adopted and we come to the follow-up action list on page 11.

[3:12:54] Voice 19: Are there any updates or questions for staff on this?

[3:13:03] Voice 26: First item probably should say major project now, not minor project.

[3:13:09] Voice 26: and the second item from May 12th,

[3:13:19] Voice 26: which was the Crown related to Crown land file 1415194

[3:13:28] Voice 26: indicates that Island Trust didn't receive a referral

[3:13:31] Voice 26: for this file.

[3:13:32] Voice 26: I'm just wondering if there are next steps,

[3:13:35] Voice 26: how do we follow up?

[3:13:37] Voice 26: It seems irregular that we didn't receive a referral.

[3:13:41] Voice 26: So I'd just like to ask that question.

[3:13:46] Voice 3: Through the chair.

[3:13:49] Voice 3: And I believe I did send a,

[3:13:51] Voice 3: I believe that I have followed up again on this and we have not,

[3:13:57] Voice 3: Islands Trust did not receive a referral and, but we expect to.

[3:14:01] Voice 3: It is currently with the province and they are working on their internal

[3:14:07] Voice 3: process to uh to look at this application um and determine whether or not it will proceed

[3:14:13] Voice 3: and and if it does they've indicated that they would be sent out and stressed a referral at that

[3:14:18] Voice 3: time well

[3:14:20] Voice 28: so

[3:14:24] Voice 26: because we've heard um community concerns about this file and i understand that

[3:14:29] Voice 26: the referral uh process uh may not align with our timelines may not align with our meeting schedules

[3:14:37] Voice 26: individuals, it's clear to me that we want to have the option to, as an LTC, to make a response

[3:14:46] Voice 26: to any referral. So I'm just wondering what actions we might be able to take in advance of

[3:14:54] Voice 26: receiving a referral that might help expedite it on our end so that we're not up against their

[3:15:00] Voice 26: deadline not aligning with our meeting schedule.

[3:15:07] Voice 14: Is there a question on that?

[3:15:09] Voice 26: Yeah, what actions

[3:15:10] Voice 26: could we take if there are any if there aren't i understand well yeah i don't it's

[3:15:16] Voice 3: you're

[3:15:17] Voice 3: out of place right now where i i am not aware of the details of the application and i don't know

[3:15:24] Voice 3: if you are already but i uh that's what we would see potentially in a referral is more information

[3:15:30] Voice 3: about the application if you're already in a place where you the ltc is comfortable um providing a

[3:15:37] Voice 3: a response of some sort and you have the information

[3:15:40] Voice 3: you feel you need, you could provide a comment right now

[3:15:45] Voice 3: that staff could include in a referral response.

[3:15:49] Voice 3: But that's one option.

[3:15:51] Voice 3: Otherwise, I don't know if I have any other ideas

[3:15:54] Voice 3: that would help ensure that those deadlines

[3:15:57] Voice 3: are completely possible to meet

[3:16:00] Voice 3: and provide you that information

[3:16:03] Voice 3: just because we don't have it yet.

[3:16:05] Voice 28: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

[3:16:18] Voice 14: anything else yeah

[3:16:20] Voice 26: and i believe in the point i i've i've gone through the information provided

[3:16:26] Voice 26: by the um piece of correspondence from our uh uh from our may meeting uh that outlined some

[3:16:33] Voice 26: concerns that i think we should be cognizant of um that's a little different than the uh notion

[3:16:42] Voice 26: that this ltc is ready to make um a comment on the suitability of that of that tenure being granted

[3:16:52] Voice 26: uh so i'm not gonna i mean it i i don't know if trustee laroni or or or chair elliott has

[3:17:01] Voice 26: any thoughts on this um i don't want to let this slip by without us commenting um but i'm not i'm

[3:17:11] Voice 26: not clear whether my fellow trustees feel they have enough information at this point for us to

[3:17:16] Voice 26: make a formal comment to have prepared for a referral when it does show up um

[3:17:22] Voice 26: so i don't want

[3:17:23] Voice 26: to assume that that's the case i mean i i definitely have concerns and i think they were

[3:17:28] Voice 26: well outlined by the correspondence received for the last agenda package but i don't know what

[3:17:34] Voice 26: other trustees think well

[3:17:40] Voice 19: typically a referral would come with a full package of information

[3:17:43] Voice 19: and then the relevant mapping and everything else.

[3:17:47] Voice 19: So are you looking for,

[3:17:49] Voice 19: just in terms of the timeliness,

[3:17:51] Voice 20: Trustee Pietersen?

[3:17:52] Voice 26: It's timeliness.

[3:17:53] Voice 26: Well, I want us to be able to respond.

[3:17:57] Voice 26: I guess we're a bit constrained

[3:18:01] Voice 26: because we don't know when they're going to finish

[3:18:03] Voice 26: at the province and when we'll get a referral

[3:18:06] Voice 26: and where that will coincide with our meeting schedule.

[3:18:09] Voice 26: And if we will have time or if we won't,

[3:18:12] Voice 26: will we have uh we i know we could ask for an extension but will that be granted i mean there's

[3:18:18] Voice 26: a lot of ifs there so

[3:18:20] Voice 20: trustees can give comments individually to the plan i

[3:18:25] Voice 26: under yeah that could

[3:18:26] Voice 20: be part of the

[3:18:27] Voice 19: referral it doesn't have to be in an ltc meeting um

[3:18:31] Voice 26: but i mean if we're going to

[3:18:34] Voice 26: respond as an ltc as opposed to as individuals then it does have to be part of the meeting

[3:18:39] Voice 26: but

[3:18:40] Voice 20: the alternative is that each trustee can give their input and that's no

[3:18:45] Voice 26: i understand it's

[3:18:46] Voice 26: it's a it's it's a it's a it's not an easy situation i guess i guess what i could do is

[3:18:54] Voice 26: i could request uh the other trustees to go back and review that um that piece of correspondence

[3:19:03] Voice 26: from may and um and then there it is possible i know stephen you were able to send me a link to

[3:19:10] Voice 26: to the, to the referral site or the, the BC government site.

[3:19:15] Voice 26: And that also has some information that wasn't contained in the piece of

[3:19:18] Voice 26: correspondence we got.

[3:19:20] Voice 26: So I guess I could just request that the two of you have a look at that so

[3:19:24] Voice 26: that when we next meet in October,

[3:19:28] Voice 26: that we'd have like a more informed discussion about what, if we, you know,

[3:19:33] Voice 26: assuming we're not, we haven't already missed the boat by then,

[3:19:36] Voice 26: but maybe we could have a more informed discussion about what an LTC

[3:19:40] Voice 26: LTC response might be in anticipation of that referral coming okay

[3:19:51] Voice 14: I think that's a yes

[3:19:54] Voice 14: oh

[3:19:55] Voice 26: yeah I think you know I just asked you and and trustee Laroni to yes

[3:20:00] Voice 22: to

[3:20:01] Voice 26: delve into it a

[3:20:03] Voice 26: little bit so that our next meeting we have it like got it

[3:20:06] Voice 26: like you get some thinking in so that

[3:20:08] Voice 26: we can think about what an official LTC response would be

[3:20:11] Voice 19: thank you shall do if the referral comes

[3:20:15] Voice 19: comes in?

[3:20:16] Voice 26: Well, I'm asking you to

[3:20:18] Voice 19: look

[3:20:19] Voice 26: at what we have now in

[3:20:21] Voice 20: advance of our

[3:20:22] Voice 26: next meeting. Thank

[3:20:24] Voice 20: you. So

[3:20:25] Voice 26: that maybe at our next meeting, if the referral hasn't already happened, that we can

[3:20:29] Voice 26: have a discussion about preparing a referral response. Okay.

[3:20:33] Voice 26: Like I know what I think, but I

[3:20:35] Voice 26: don't know what you guys think. And I don't think we have time to do it all today. Okay.

[3:20:40] Voice 14: Okay, so

[3:20:47] Voice 19: we had no new business, I guess considering the public feedback that we've heard today during the town hall and questions specifically whether we could reconsider deferring enforcement or reopening the application, we would have to add an item of new business to discuss that.

[3:21:19] Voice 26: I would like to add a new item of business to discuss it, and I have a proposed motion.

[3:21:24] Voice 19: Okay.

[3:21:26] Voice 19: So, a request to amend the agenda by adding one item of new business, 12.1, titled?

[3:21:37] Voice 10: Carry dock?

[3:21:40] Voice 10: Carry dock

[3:21:45] Voice 19: by law enforcement.

[3:21:48] Voice 19: I'll take it by general consent.

[3:21:50] Voice 19: Trustee Leroni, are you okay with that?

[3:21:53] Voice 19: Okay.

[3:21:53] Voice 19: Great.

[3:21:54] Voice 19: Go ahead.

[3:21:56] Voice 26: Okay, I'll give a short preamble, and then I'll read the motion for your consideration.

[3:22:01] Voice 26: The preamble just being we heard a number of questions today around pausing the bylaw enforcement on the dock, whether the options are there, and whether we had a potential to rescind the resolution to deny the application.

[3:22:17] Voice 26: Those are questions that I cannot perfectly answer because I don't have enough expertise.

[3:22:25] Voice 26: expertise. However, I know that staff can provide us good advice on those questions.

[3:22:32] Voice 26: So the proposed motion would be that the Local Trust Committee request staff to report back

[3:22:37] Voice 26: with advice on by-law enforcement options and potential for rescinding the resolution

[3:22:44] Voice 26: to deny the carried dock application. And that would be sort of, I think that from my

[3:22:49] Voice 26: mind if that would cover off the questions that I've heard and that I cannot answer without some

[3:22:59] Voice 26: advice. Okay

[3:23:02] Voice 19: so before the motion is seconded I have heard from staff that there is no enforcement

[3:23:09] Voice 19: action right now because it's agreed that they're going to remove it so there we aren't doing

[3:23:19] Voice 19: anything because there's no need to. The question that I was going to put to

[3:23:27] Voice 19: staff was whether the direction to not continue with the

[3:23:41] Voice 19: application could be reconsidered within the context of the Mesquitee's OCP

[3:23:49] Voice 19: review so that the consideration of appropriate locations for private docks and the question of

[3:24:06] Voice 19: communal docks, which is referred to many times in the OCP, but without sort of mechanism

[3:24:13] Voice 19: to make them communal, can be considered as part of that OCP review. And we do need advice on that.

[3:24:26] Voice 19: Yeah,

[3:24:28] Voice 26: to me, those are two slightly different questions. I think I heard at least a couple of times today about what is the potential to rescind or reverse the resolution to deny the application, and that's a little bit different than the OCP process in my mind.

[3:24:49] Voice 26: So since I don't have the clear policy and legal framework to answer that question myself, I would like to know, and I think it's reasonable for the public to know, you know, a factual answer.

[3:25:04] Voice 26: Can we rescind that resolution?

[3:25:07] Voice 26: And if so, what's the process?

[3:25:11] Voice 26: And if we can't, then that's important to know as well.

[3:25:14] Voice 26: I think the larger question of DOCS and the OCP is a little bit different.

[3:25:21] Voice 26: I mean, I've been saying that for over a year.

[3:25:24] Voice 26: The delegation that we got from the rate payers wasn't about this application.

[3:25:30] Voice 26: It was about the broader question of DOCS.

[3:25:34] Voice 26: As far as the bylaw enforcement part, sure, I could remove that and simplify the resolution

[3:25:39] Voice 26: to just ask the question about whether we can rescind

[3:25:43] Voice 26: the resolution to deny the application

[3:25:46] Voice 26: or, but it's different than the larger question.

[3:25:53] Voice 19: And what would be the reasons for rescinding?

[3:25:57] Voice 26: That's not, that's not, can we?

[3:26:00] Voice 26: That's all I want to know.

[3:26:01] Voice 26: That's the question to staff is, can we rescind it?

[3:26:05] Voice 26: And if we can, then perhaps there's,

[3:26:09] Voice 26: that's an avenue for more discussion.

[3:26:10] Voice 26: If we cannot, then that's also good to know,

[3:26:13] Voice 26: just simple point of information.

[3:26:15] Voice 26: Is there a mechanism to rescind the previous resolution?

[3:26:25] Voice 20: So

[3:26:25] Voice 19: we'd have to reference the resolution.

[3:26:28] Voice 19: So from the minutes.

[3:26:30] Voice 26: We'll find it.

[3:26:38] Voice 20: 2025-007.

[3:26:44] Voice 26: Right, LA 2025-007.

[3:27:06] Voice 19: I think that is,

[3:27:17] Voice 20: what's the action you want, advise?

[3:27:20] Voice 26: Yeah, I wanted the staff to report back with advice on the potential for sending the resolution LA-20-25-007.

[3:27:34] Voice 26: Just, I

[3:27:36] Voice 1: think we all need clarity on the procedural allowability of that.

[3:27:47] Voice 14: Okay, so report

[3:27:52] Voice 20: back with advice, need to send advice.

[3:27:55] Voice 20: advise and take out water enforcement options on the potential for rescinding and then put the

[3:28:06] Voice 20: resolution

[3:28:06] Voice 28: and so like

[3:28:30] Voice 20: the ability sure

[3:28:36] Voice 10: could be the ability so

[3:28:38] Voice 19: so

[3:28:39] Voice 10: the

[3:28:40] Voice 19: wording i would have

[3:28:41] Voice 19: as request staff to advise on the potential ability and process to rescind resolution la 2025

[3:28:48] Voice 19: 007 and then i would quote it the lusketeer island local trust committee proceed no further

[3:28:53] Voice 19: with land use by law amendment application larz 2023.1 would that be enough clarity

[3:29:06] Voice 20: that's clear yes okay i mean

[3:29:17] Voice 20: it's just

[3:29:21] Voice 26: a slightly different wording just

[3:29:22] Voice 20: put the resolution i would

[3:29:24] Voice 20: you know or

[3:29:27] Voice 19: you could just end it there stability and process for sending those

[3:29:31] Voice 19: okay

[3:29:32] Voice 26: um are you ready for me like that

[3:29:37] Voice 26: okay then i move that the luskinia local trust committee requests staff to advise

[3:29:43] Voice 26: on the potential ability and process for rescinding resolution la 2025-007 okay

[3:29:52] Voice 19: Okay. Just check with a minute taker before it seconded. Lisa, do you have that?

[3:29:59] Voice 20: Yes, I have that.

[3:30:00] Voice 20: sure okay

[3:30:01] Voice 19: so move do i have a seconder seconded by trustee laroni any discussion on your motion

[3:30:08] Voice 26: i i don't feel there's any need for discussion so

[3:30:14] Voice 19: what we're looking for with this resolution

[3:30:16] Voice 19: is advice on is it legally possible and

[3:30:22] Voice 26: how would we do it

[3:30:23] Voice 19: how would we do it i would

[3:30:25] Voice 19: actually add the implications but some analysis would be helpful but that

[3:30:35] Voice 19: generally comes as a result of a report there will be some analysis I hope

[3:30:41] Voice 14: okay

[3:30:50] Voice 14: well

[3:30:57] Voice 19: all for the vote ready for the vote all those in favor that is carried so we

[3:31:05] Voice 19: We will look for some advice to come back from staff at our next meeting on the ability

[3:31:11] Voice 19: and process to rescind Resolution LA-2025-007 related to the decision to proceed no further

[3:31:21] Voice 19: with the Cary Dock application.

[3:31:23] Voice 9: It's useless because we don't know where.

[3:31:26] Voice 9: Okay.

[3:31:30] Voice 19: Any further business on the new business item?

[3:31:50] Voice 28: Great.

[3:31:53] Voice 19: So we'll proceed into 13. Staff reports. We have one item of business here. 13.1,

[3:32:03] Voice 19: consideration of trust council bylaw number 197. It is a local trust committee meeting

[3:32:09] Voice 19: meeting procedures bylaw to update the Liskety Island Local Trust Committee meeting procedures

[3:32:14] Voice 19: bylaw request for decision. That is on page 15. So I don't know if staff is here to present but

[3:32:24] Voice 19: this is from Director Marler, Legislative and Information Services Director. This is following

[3:32:32] Voice 19: the June Trust Council meeting which we both referred to in which Trust Council passed bylaw

[3:32:38] Voice 19: number 197, which is a local trust committee meeting procedures bylaw, which will supersede

[3:32:45] Voice 19: all the local trust area meeting procedures bylaws. And so the purpose of the request for

[3:32:55] Voice 19: decision is to rescind the LISC-ED local trust committee meeting procedures bylaw number 100.

[3:33:00] Voice 19: as trustee peterson stated earlier the policy held by trust council i'm just going to try to

[3:33:10] Voice 19: find the policy itself under section 11 of the islands trust act a trust council meeting procedure

[3:33:18] Voice 19: bylaw for local trust committees would override any local committee meeting procedures bylaws

[3:33:24] Voice 19: it may lead to a conflict as trust council's local trust committee meeting procedure bylaw

[3:33:30] Voice 19: contains all the procedures that are in the local trust committee meetings procedure bylaws

[3:33:35] Voice 19: the local trust committee meeting procedure bylaws are redundant to avoid confusion staff

[3:33:41] Voice 19: recommend the local trust committee rescind their meeting procedure bylaws and so just a note about

[3:33:49] Voice 19: about the changes the the new bylaw number 197 does not add anything new beyond what local trust

[3:33:58] Voice 19: committees have already adopted with the exception of it adds the release of an agenda outline

[3:34:06] Voice 19: two days before the agenda deadline as indicated in the trust council resolution

[3:34:12] Voice 19: resolution so trustee Leroni I'm not sure are you still with us yeah okay so it just means that

[3:34:21] Voice 19: there will be an additional two days advance uh release of the agenda deadline so that

[3:34:29] Voice 19: if anybody has correspondence related to a piece of business they can get that ready earlier

[3:34:37] Voice 19: earlier it changes the period for notification of meetings from calendar year to fiscal year

[3:34:45] Voice 19: which is april 1st to march 31st to align with proposed changes to trust council's meeting

[3:34:51] Voice 19: procedures bylaw it adds an allowance for the minimum of two required annual meetings of the

[3:34:58] Voice 19: executive committee acting as local trust committee for bolinas win chelsea to be in person

[3:35:03] Voice 19: or electronically and makes minor changes to address wording, amendments, and clarity.

[3:35:12] Voice 19: So I will note also that this new Trust Council bylaw has, it does not have,

[3:35:24] Voice 19: it does not specify where public notification date and location is posted.

[3:35:33] Voice 19: it. And your current, well, the expired local trust committee bylaw number 105 states in

[3:35:47] Voice 19: section four, it does state where the public notice of the availability of the regular

[3:35:54] Voice 19: meeting schedule is to be given once a year by publication in a newspaper. If there's

[3:36:00] Voice 19: There's changes after an agenda is posted.

[3:36:03] Voice 19: Notice that these changes will be reposted as soon as possible, but a minimum of 48 hours.

[3:36:07] Voice 19: So your LISC-ED By-law 100 specifies meeting publication notifications.

[3:36:16] Voice 19: notifications. And what is coming is a model bylaw, LTC model bylaw number 105,

[3:36:29] Voice 19: that will allow, sorry, rather draft policy 4116 model public notice bylaw. This one will allow

[3:36:41] Voice 19: LTCs to make their decisions about which method of notification works in their

[3:36:47] Voice 19: community. So I'm just going to turn to that model by law for a second. So this

[3:36:59] Voice 19: came about because the community charter changed the requirements for public

[3:37:08] Voice 19: notice. So previously public notice had to be published in a newspaper that was

[3:37:14] Voice 19: is circulated within the area for at least two weeks ahead of time.

[3:37:19] Voice 19: Because we have different methods of communicating now,

[3:37:24] Voice 19: such as online or print newspaper, websites, social media pages,

[3:37:33] Voice 19: direct email or mail out, the community charter amended

[3:37:37] Voice 19: the public notice bylaw so that local trust committees

[3:37:42] Voice 19: can consider and record either by resolution in the minutes or by preamble, whereas clauses in

[3:37:49] Voice 19: the bylaw, how they want to give public notice. And the public notice regulation establishes the

[3:37:58] Voice 19: principles that must be considered are that the format is reliable, it's suitable, it works for

[3:38:08] Voice 19: the purpose for which the public notice is intended and it's accessible and so where that's

[3:38:14] Voice 19: been removed from the trust council meeting procedure bylaw there will be a draft bylaw

[3:38:20] Voice 19: public notice bylaw coming and this ltc and the community can decide which two methods will work

[3:38:29] Voice 19: and that will hopefully alleviate a lot of the expensive circulating and newspapers that don't

[3:38:35] Voice 19: even reach here but they could be posted in physical places they can be put out through

[3:38:41] Voice 19: a list serve we have multiple methods of ensuring that people know there is a meeting held so i just

[3:38:48] Voice 19: want people to know that that's not been lost um but it's just not part of the current draft bylaw

[3:38:56] Voice 19: sorry that was a lot of technical jargon is there any questions or comments on the

[3:39:04] Voice 19: the meeting procedure by-law?

[3:39:10] Voice 26: Well, as my fellow trustees know,

[3:39:12] Voice 26: I spoke against this by-law at trust council

[3:39:17] Voice 26: because they did not want a trust council by-law

[3:39:19] Voice 26: to supersede our local by-law.

[3:39:21] Voice 26: However, trust council did pass the by-law

[3:39:26] Voice 26: by the required two thirds majority.

[3:39:28] Voice 26: And therefore it has superseded

[3:39:31] Voice 26: our meeting procedure by-law.

[3:39:36] Voice 26: And that's the end of that story.

[3:39:38] Voice 26: Um, interesting that the timing of the meeting notification is not synonymous with this, but hey, that's how the goatee grumbles sometimes, but just noting that I wasn't in favor of it.

[3:39:53] Voice 26: Um, and, uh, but, uh, that's, uh, that's a done deal.

[3:39:58] Voice 26: So

[3:40:01] Voice 21: any

[3:40:07] Voice 19: comments, uh, no comments.

[3:40:13] Voice 19: I think we've covered, you guys, you both have covered it all.

[3:40:15] Voice 19: okay

[3:40:16] Voice 18: so

[3:40:18] Voice 19: there's uh four recommended motions on page 15 of your agenda if someone could give

[3:40:30] Voice 19: first reading to the repeal bylaw number 105 not i'll do it okay i move that the luskete island

[3:40:58] Voice 19: local trust committee give bylaw 105 cited as luskete island local trust committee meeting

[3:41:04] Voice 19: meeting procedures repeal by-law number 105, 2025,

[3:41:08] Voice 19: first reading.

[3:41:12] Voice 19: I have a seconder.

[3:41:15] Voice 19: Seconded by Trustee Leroni.

[3:41:18] Voice 19: Discussion on the motion?

[3:41:23] Voice 19: No discussion.

[3:41:24] Voice 19: I'll call for the vote.

[3:41:25] Voice 19: All those in favor?

[3:41:30] Voice 19: That is carried.

[3:41:33] Voice 19: Any opposed?

[3:41:37] Voice 7: No.

[3:41:37] Voice 19: No?

[3:41:38] Voice 7: Thank you for your patience.

[3:41:40] Voice 19: I move that the Mesquite Island Local Trust Committee

[3:41:43] Voice 19: give by-law 105, cited as Mesquite Island

[3:41:46] Voice 19: and local trust committee meeting procedures repeal bylaw number 105 2025 second reading

[3:41:54] Voice 17: call

[3:41:55] Voice 19: for a seconder seconded by trustee laroni any discussion call for the vote all those in favor

[3:42:08] Voice 22: that

[3:42:08] Voice 19: is carried you guys are really going to make me do all these i move that the lusketeer

[3:42:18] Voice 19: Island Local Trust Committee give bylaw 105 cited as Lusketi Island Local Trust Committee

[3:42:23] Voice 19: meeting procedures repeal bylaw number 105 2025 third reading call for a seconder

[3:42:31] Voice 19: seconded by trustee Laroni any discussion call for vote all those in favor that is carried

[3:42:42] Voice 19: sorry I didn't ask any opposed but no okay so I move that the Lusketi Island Local Trust

[3:42:50] Voice 19: trust committee forward bylaw 105 cited as Liskety Island local trust committee meeting procedures

[3:42:56] Voice 19: repeal bylaw number 105 2025 to the island's trust executive committee for consideration of approval

[3:43:05] Voice 19: seconder seconded by trustee Laroni any further discussion we'll call for the vote

[3:43:12] Voice 19: all those in favor and that is carried okay piece of administrivia but

[3:43:23] Voice 19: But it is important.

[3:43:25] Voice 19: And I will note, I went through both your original, what is it, 100 or 105?

[3:43:32] Voice 19: It's 100.

[3:43:34] Voice 19: And there are no substantive changes other than the one I mentioned about motions.

[3:43:43] Voice 19: Or sorry, posting

[3:43:47] Voice 14: the meeting place.

[3:43:51] Voice 14: Okay.

[3:43:58] Voice 14: I

[3:44:02] Voice 9: have a point of order and a point of information.

[3:44:05] Voice 9: I'm

[3:44:06] Voice 19: sorry, but members of the public

[3:44:07] Voice 19: cannot call points of order.

[3:44:13] Voice 16: He has legal information.

[3:44:16] Voice 19: So we'll move into 13.2.

[3:44:19] Voice 19: There is Trust Conservancy Board Report

[3:44:21] Voice 19: dated June 5th.

[3:44:24] Voice 19: And up there for information, 13.3,

[3:44:29] Voice 19: there is an issue of the Heron Spring 2025 edition

[3:44:34] Voice 19: from the Trust Conservancy.

[3:44:36] Voice 19: see. Applications report on page 25. Any comments or updates from staff on applications? I have a

[3:44:52] Voice 14: lot. There

[3:44:58] Voice 28: is

[3:45:14] Voice 19: 13.5, a trustee and local expense report dated May 2025 about the policy with

[3:45:21] Voice 19: outstanding resolutions, First Nations relationship building update, none, and local trust committee

[3:45:27] Voice 19: web page. So I think, so just to note on page 29, the minor projects, what had been the minor

[3:45:43] Voice 19: project last year, it's noted as of July 4th, this item will be archived after the July 14th

[3:45:51] Voice 19: regular LTC meeting. Information will appear in the future projects list as major project OCP and

[3:45:57] Voice 19: LUB review. Active projects list will be updated for the major project once regional planning team

[3:46:03] Voice 19: commences work so this is just appearing um for your information and it will be hopefully by

[3:46:11] Voice 19: october we might get work started fall is not very far

[3:46:19] Voice 14: away okay so our upcoming meeting oh

[3:46:29] Voice 14: yeah

[3:46:30] Voice 26: just a note um item number two in the future projects report was applying for a community

[3:46:37] Voice 26: community grant funding support relationship building with first nations and uh i guess that

[3:46:43] Voice 26: just jumps out as maybe a potential uh topic for minor project or some other staff work

[3:46:51] Voice 26: we're not going to decide that today but just noticing it sitting here and just want to bring

[3:46:55] Voice 26: it to your attention

[3:46:56] Voice 19: yeah so community the community grant funding um requires that a

[3:47:05] Voice 19: First Nation jointly wants to reply with us so I think we need to do some pre-work well I'm saying

[3:47:13] Voice 26: it's going to be a project but that could be a minor project right actually okay

[3:47:19] Voice 19: uh the next

[3:47:21] Voice 19: regularly scheduled meeting is for Monday October 16th 2025 um I'm wondering do we want to have that

[3:47:29] Voice 19: in person or electronically I'm

[3:47:43] Voice 25: easy either way but um it would depend on the weather forecast

[3:47:46] Voice 25: cast when that comes i

[3:47:49] Voice 26: just note that it's scheduled for in person at this location if

[3:47:53] Voice 26: there's not uh um other circumstances that would dictate it not being in person i prefer to be in

[3:48:00] Voice 26: person i

[3:48:07] Voice 19: have to say it's getting more difficult for me to come to this community in person

[3:48:13] Voice 19: doing my work but um this is not easy to chair in um in this community and i appreciate that

[3:48:22] Voice 19: everyone did keep everything respectful and um you all spoke your views but it does have a cost and

[3:48:30] Voice 19: i'm i'm your job

[3:48:32] Voice 10: yep

[3:48:33] Voice 19: and i'm doing my best

[3:48:35] Voice 14: carol did i ask for clarification on one later

[3:48:39] Voice 19: we'll um

[3:48:42] Voice 19: we're we'll have to ask that after the meeting it

[3:48:47] Voice 9: won't do anything so

[3:48:48] Voice 19: this meeting will be at

[3:48:50] Voice 19: 11 a.m at the judith fisher center here on mesquite island and i'll call for a german

[3:48:58] Voice 10: before they adjourn i just want to point out that all those in favor

[3:49:02] Voice 10: the information we have has legal implications that i believe you would

[3:49:06] Voice 10: in the best interests of the committee and the community.

[3:49:09] Voice 10: We're adjourned.

[3:49:10] Voice 10: We're considered.

[3:49:12] Voice 22: Yeah.

[3:49:13] Voice 22: Thank you.

[3:49:14] Voice 22: So.