Denman Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, August 21, 2025

[0:00:00] Voice 8: of agricultural and cultural heritage resources on denman and hornby islands including their

[0:00:06] Voice 8: priorities to protect shorelines watercourses streams intact ecosystems and biodiversity on

[0:00:13] Voice 8: the islands and we will be exploring how we can direct our land use planning function

[0:00:19] Voice 8: within the comox first nations territory in a manner that respects their values and inherent

[0:00:24] Voice 8: My name is Tim Peterson. I'm elected on Lasketehuete Island, and I'm joined today by Hornby trustee Alex Allen and Denman local trustees Sam Borthwick and David Graham and Denman local trust committee chair David Maude.

[0:00:52] Voice 8: also we have um staff uh we have uh lasagna zupadek and narissa chadwick with us i'm not

[0:01:02] Voice 8: sure who's facilitating our zoom today but we appreciate your technical support in the

[0:01:08] Voice 8: background there um we have a a one item uh agenda today so i'll just look to uh ensure that that

[0:01:21] Voice 8: That agenda meets with everyone's approval,

[0:01:26] Voice 8: and I will take it by general consent that that is the case.

[0:01:32] Voice 8: Oh, and I also welcome Emily Bryant as our technical support today.

[0:01:38] Voice 8: Thank you, Emily.

[0:01:39] Voice 7: Also, Chair, I might say Planner Marlis McHargur is also attending, I believe.

[0:01:45] Voice 8: Oh, okay. Yes. Great.

[0:01:46] Voice 7: I missed

[0:01:47] Voice 8: my participants list here,

[0:01:50] Voice 8: and I apologize if I left anyone else out.

[0:01:58] Voice 8: Okay, so I'll take it by general consent.

[0:02:02] Voice 8: As I said, we'll approve the agenda as presented

[0:02:05] Voice 8: and I will turn it over to staff

[0:02:06] Voice 8: to introduce our business items at 4.1.

[0:02:11] Voice 8: Hi, thank you.

[0:02:19] Voice 3: Is my audio okay?

[0:02:21] Voice 8: Yes.

[0:02:22] Voice 3: Great.

[0:02:23] Voice 3: Thanks.

[0:02:24] Voice 3: So this is a unique opportunity

[0:02:26] Voice 3: for both the Denman and the Hornby

[0:02:28] Voice 3: the Highland Local Trust Committees to meet to discuss some commonalities in your major project

[0:02:34] Voice 3: work that the regional planning team, which comprises of Narissa and I, are currently working

[0:02:42] Voice 3: on. And we're really grateful and supportive of this approach to have both local trust committees

[0:02:49] Voice 3: present to discuss some of the commonalities between our work with Comox First Nation

[0:02:55] Voice 3: specifically during this intensive year of engagement

[0:02:58] Voice 3: that we've been conducting with their staff

[0:03:01] Voice 3: and reporting back to the local trust committees on.

[0:03:04] Voice 3: So 4.1 on your agenda item is going to be

[0:03:07] Voice 3: sort of a deeper dive into a draft engagement summary

[0:03:11] Voice 3: from the nation that we're currently working on finalizing

[0:03:14] Voice 3: so we can present it back to you

[0:03:15] Voice 3: at your individual local trust committee meetings

[0:03:18] Voice 3: as part of your major project report out,

[0:03:20] Voice 3: as well as looking at some of the approaches

[0:03:23] Voice 3: approaches of housing options that are currently being looked at on Denman Island that would be

[0:03:28] Voice 3: beneficial and supportive of Hornby's major project as well and so having those early discussions

[0:03:34] Voice 3: is what we deem to be a really efficient use of everyone's time for the regional planning team as

[0:03:40] Voice 3: well as your communities who are struggling with very similar issues and you'll be tasked with

[0:03:44] Voice 3: making decisions on very simple or similar recommendations from Comox First Nations for

[0:03:50] Voice 3: for both islands.

[0:03:52] Voice 3: 4.2 is simply a verbal discussion

[0:03:54] Voice 3: before adjournment of your meeting

[0:03:56] Voice 3: to confirm you do have an elected officials meeting

[0:04:00] Voice 3: with Comox First Nation on October 9th

[0:04:03] Voice 3: for Denman and Hornby.

[0:04:05] Voice 3: And so if there are any questions for staff

[0:04:08] Voice 3: or any discussions amongst the two local trust committees

[0:04:11] Voice 3: in preparation for that meeting,

[0:04:13] Voice 3: this would be an opportune time to cover those

[0:04:16] Voice 3: so that we can either report back or do some more research.

[0:04:18] Voice 3: But ideally, this meeting helps facilitate clearer understanding of the direction that the nation is going in terms of finalizing their engagement summary with their staff, with our planning staff, so that you're confident and understand the breadth and scope of the potential recommendations that they're making for you to address in your OCPs and your land use violence.

[0:04:44] Voice 3: Are there any questions so far?

[0:04:47] Voice 3: Great.

[0:04:48] Voice 3: Great. Okay, so there's a short memorandum. I won't go into any detail with the memorandum

[0:04:55] Voice 3: specifically because I think it's very self-explanatory. We're looking at housing

[0:04:59] Voice 3: as a common issue across both islands that have very similar approaches and potential

[0:05:04] Voice 3: solutions that you may want to implement. Moving forward, there's interest to see whether or not

[0:05:11] Voice 3: the shared local trust area approaches to amendments to your bylaws could be more of

[0:05:18] Voice 3: of a collaborative approach versus these sort of piecemeal project approaches that we've

[0:05:23] Voice 3: traditionally used. So the whole point of the regional planning team is to bring a bit more

[0:05:27] Voice 3: of a comprehensive oversight to project management. And Nerissa and I are trying to do that, but the

[0:05:32] Voice 3: political discussions are still being held in isolation. So this is a unique opportunity for

[0:05:38] Voice 3: us to present some of these options. Nerissa will be talking about what Denman is looking at

[0:05:43] Voice 3: on in terms of housing and I think that would be really instrumental for the

[0:05:48] Voice 3: Hornby trustees to hear moving forward to inform both projects and then the

[0:05:54] Voice 3: second piece is the Comox First Nations engagement summary which you've all seen

[0:05:58] Voice 3: before it's been attached to your agenda package but we wanted to make sure that

[0:06:03] Voice 3: this was an opportunity as a working meeting to dive into some of the actual

[0:06:09] Voice 3: questions you might have about what does this look like if it's implemented prior to it coming back

[0:06:17] Voice 3: in your project reports because the similarities for both islands mean that there's a really

[0:06:24] Voice 3: strong opportunity to report back to the nation that there is commitment to address these in a

[0:06:29] Voice 3: more coordinated approach across both geographies again versus each LTC possibly not implementing

[0:06:37] Voice 3: or choosing a totally different tool

[0:06:40] Voice 3: and creating sort of a fragmented approach

[0:06:44] Voice 3: to protection of their interests.

[0:06:46] Voice 3: They're really curious and interested to see

[0:06:50] Voice 3: if both local trust committees can do this work

[0:06:53] Voice 3: in a more coordinated fashion

[0:06:55] Voice 3: so that the solutions have some consistency

[0:06:58] Voice 3: across the geography

[0:06:59] Voice 3: as opposed to different approaches

[0:07:02] Voice 3: for each political boundary.

[0:07:04] Voice 3: boundary. And so then there's a few discussion bullets here in this agenda package, which may

[0:07:12] Voice 3: be worth revisiting once we've gone through the presentation slides. They're just for your

[0:07:18] Voice 3: consideration in terms of next steps. We couldn't really predict what some of your questions might

[0:07:22] Voice 3: be about how this works, so that's why we kept it a bit open-ended. So I'll stop the share of

[0:07:29] Voice 3: of this agenda package at this time

[0:07:31] Voice 3: and switch to Narissa's slides.

[0:07:34] Voice 3: And I did wanna pause to see if there are any questions

[0:07:37] Voice 3: so far about the memo

[0:07:39] Voice 3: or the First Nations Engagement Summary,

[0:07:41] Voice 3: which is attached in the package

[0:07:44] Voice 3: without getting into too much detail,

[0:07:46] Voice 3: just any general questions from the local trustees.

[0:07:51] Voice 7: I think my hand is up, there we go.

[0:07:54] Voice 7: Just some details on the October 9th joint meeting.

[0:07:57] Voice 7: Is that, do we have kind of a format for that meeting?

[0:07:59] Voice 7: Is that in-person or electronic or what?

[0:08:03] Voice 3: I think I'll have to report back on whether or not the in-person has been confirmed.

[0:08:10] Voice 3: But that was my understanding was that there was an option for in-person.

[0:08:16] Voice 3: So we'll let you know.

[0:08:18] Voice 7: Okay. Thank you.

[0:08:19] Voice 7: Okay.

[0:08:24] Voice 3: So if there's no other general questions to start us out,

[0:08:27] Voice 3: I will stop sharing so that Narisa can pull up the presentation slides.

[0:08:33] Voice 3: And then we'll work through that material. Thanks.

[0:08:45] Voice 1: can you see it okay

[0:08:52] Planner Chadwick: yeah so the first slide is just identifying um there's three three key things

[0:08:58] Planner Chadwick: we're gonna um discuss um uh as sonja's already indicated the option the opportunities for joint

[0:09:06] Planner Chadwick: a joint approach uh template meant the comox recommendations is sort of a key focus here

[0:09:13] Planner Chadwick: um so i'm just going to provide a little bit of an overview of the heritage conservation area

[0:09:20] Planner Chadwick: designation which has been a bit of the conversation that we have had with the

[0:09:24] Planner Chadwick: Comox it's a it's a tool that is available to be able to address their

[0:09:31] Planner Chadwick: interests and protection and then we've got an example and I think this has been

[0:09:35] Planner Chadwick: shared with Denman the idea of a 200 meter setback from the sea for well not

[0:09:44] Planner Chadwick: a setback as a low as a low impact buffer for development um and and um i i don't think that's

[0:09:51] Planner Chadwick: been introduced to hornby yet but that's been introduced on denman and communities already

[0:09:55] Planner Chadwick: having some discussion there and then i'm going to provide a little bit of an overview of um denman's

[0:10:00] Planner Chadwick: housing project status so that um hornby trustees um have a sense of of um of where denman is at

[0:10:08] Planner Chadwick: because we've been been working on the project for a little while now and we're

[0:10:14] Planner Chadwick: getting to some exciting an exciting sort of critical period so that

[0:10:20] Planner Chadwick: excitement awaits that overview at the end of the presentation so I will now Oh

[0:10:26] Planner Chadwick: advance here um so this you know this is Sonia's already you know you provide the

[0:10:34] Planner Chadwick: opportunity for you to comment if you have any further comments this slide

[0:10:37] Planner Chadwick: It just indicates kind of what the three kind of key areas of interest are for the Comox.

[0:10:47] Planner Chadwick: And one is, you know, that it's clearly articulated the sort of relationship between LTC work and Comox territory and how this work will reflect their values.

[0:10:59] Planner Chadwick: And one of the key pieces there is, which is lacking in both OCPs, is a correct acknowledgement of the territory and the history and the interests of the Comox and recognition of the other nations in the area as well.

[0:11:22] Planner Chadwick: So, the other key piece here is addressing the need for cooperation from local governments regarding protection of archaeological and cultural heritage sites.

[0:11:33] Planner Chadwick: So, that's where the heritage protection area tool is an opportunity.

[0:11:39] Planner Chadwick: And there's other opportunities there within our land use toolbox.

[0:11:46] Planner Chadwick: box um and uh and you know the third is is is um some real addressing some key key priorities for

[0:11:56] Planner Chadwick: for comox which is shorelines water air water courses streamline streams ecosystems and and

[0:12:03] Planner Chadwick: the biodiversity so it's not just for the comox it's not just about their arc sites and their

[0:12:09] Planner Chadwick: their cultural heritage interests, but also the connection of all of that

[0:12:14] Planner Chadwick: to the ecosystem and the health of these islands in general

[0:12:19] Planner Chadwick: from an ecosystem and environmental perspective.

[0:12:24] Planner Chadwick: So now Sonia will give you a little bit of an overview.

[0:12:28] Planner Chadwick: Is there any questions on any of that that I've just provided an overview of?

[0:12:36] Planner Chadwick: Okay, I'll let Sonia give you some more details on the

[0:12:39] Planner Chadwick: Heritage Conservation Area designation.

[0:12:42] Voice 3: So one of the pieces that's going to come back to both local trust committees to consider and to understand is this tool, which can be used by local governments to identify heritage conservation areas in your geography.

[0:12:59] Voice 3: And that's not just Indigenous cultural heritage, but also the settler cultural heritage.

[0:13:05] Voice 3: So it could be landscapes, buildings, shorelines, trails, any kind of natural features.

[0:13:11] Voice 3: They just have to be identified clearly in your official community plan, designated, and then there has to be guidelines drafted with very specific parameters around how land alterations or development can or cannot impact those things.

[0:13:27] Voice 3: So it acts very much like a development permit area.

[0:13:30] Voice 3: So this is a really unique tool that we have not seen used to its full extent in British Columbia by local governments to do two things, which would be to address settler heritage, as well as the gaps outside of those recorded arc sites.

[0:13:46] Voice 3: If it's not a recorded arc site, it's currently not protected unless it's in a heritage conservation area with associated guidelines to protect it.

[0:13:53] Voice 3: so it's that sort of gap that the nations continuously are letting us know is a problem

[0:14:00] Voice 3: and they want local governments to help fix that because it's not just the recorded arc sites

[0:14:06] Voice 3: it's all the cultural heritage in between and so this tool has a very strong practical

[0:14:16] Voice 3: implementation piece that we want to explore with both local trust committees but because of the

[0:14:21] Voice 3: the nature of the drafting of this of the community engagement that's required with this

[0:14:26] Voice 3: there's a lot of efficiency and practicality in doing it if there's a united interest to make

[0:14:34] Voice 3: sure that both Denman and Hornby are doing this in a in an effective and sustainable way the

[0:14:39] Voice 3: landscapes are different in both islands however the issues are underlying issues are the same

[0:14:44] Voice 3: both islands have settler heritage that could benefit from protection both islands have

[0:14:49] Voice 3: significant cultural heritage from, you know, COMAX First Nations perspective, that would benefit from

[0:14:55] Voice 3: stronger protection as well. And so, those guidelines need not be dramatically different.

[0:15:01] Voice 3: However, there could be, you know, geographical subtle nuances that need to be articulated.

[0:15:08] Voice 3: So, this could be used anywhere on the island, on either of the islands. If you just want to

[0:15:15] Voice 3: Let's flip to the next slide for me, Nerissa.

[0:15:18] Planner Chadwick: Sure, yeah.

[0:15:18] Planner Chadwick: And I was just going to add one thing, or two things.

[0:15:23] Planner Chadwick: One is that the Comox have done quite significant exploration

[0:15:29] Planner Chadwick: of their cultural heritage sites.

[0:15:33] Planner Chadwick: So they have a fairly, at least on Denman, I'm not aware of,

[0:15:39] Planner Chadwick: you're probably more familiar, Sonia, with what they've done on Hornby,

[0:15:43] Planner Chadwick: but they have they have done their own mapping and exploration so they have a pretty decent

[0:15:48] Planner Chadwick: sense of things and and also Sonia's done some work with the province to get a good sense that

[0:15:57] Planner Chadwick: this is a tool that we can use for for this use it it hasn't been used before in this context

[0:16:03] Planner Chadwick: but the the work that Sonia did the the province engaged their lawyers to to dig into it and so

[0:16:11] Planner Chadwick: So we know that it is a, it's a, it's a, it's a clear option.

[0:16:17] Planner Chadwick: Oh, yeah, that's fine.

[0:16:19] Planner Chadwick: Just go back.

[0:16:21] Planner Chadwick: Oh, did I?

[0:16:21] Planner Chadwick: Okay.

[0:16:22] Planner Chadwick: Sorry.

[0:16:23] Planner Chadwick: Go back.

[0:16:23] Planner Chadwick: Oh, sorry.

[0:16:25] Voice 1: Oh, no.

[0:16:28] Voice 1: They're back.

[0:16:29] Voice 1: There we go.

[0:16:30] Voice 1: And let me, wait, hang on.

[0:16:32] Voice 1: You.

[0:16:37] Voice 1: Sorry.

[0:16:37] Voice 1: Sorry, everybody.

[0:16:39] Voice 1: So for example,

[0:16:41] Voice 3: we drafted a draft heritage conservation area with Squamish first

[0:16:45] Voice 3: First Nation, just so you know, just go back to two more slides, Marissa.

[0:16:50] Voice 3: How

[0:16:50] Voice 1: do I go back?

[0:16:51] Voice 3: Oh, there you go.

[0:16:53] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:16:54] Voice 3: So Squamish First Nation has provided some preliminary feedback on a draft

[0:16:59] Voice 3: heritage conservation area that could potentially be considered by the Gambier

[0:17:03] Voice 3: Island Local Trust Area or any of the islands in the Howe Sound within their

[0:17:07] Voice 3: territory.

[0:17:08] Voice 3: So we're not sure how that's going to roll out or if there will be any appetite

[0:17:12] Voice 3: tight for implementation, but we feel pretty confident from a planning perspective that this

[0:17:17] Voice 3: is not something that is out of reach for your communities to implement. If you're listening to

[0:17:24] Voice 3: the nation's concerns, this tool seems to address the vast majority of them because it gives that

[0:17:31] Voice 3: level of control that's required and being asked so that there's certainty at the time of development

[0:17:38] Voice 3: that those checks and balances are going to be met. So next slide.

[0:17:44] Voice 3: So as we mentioned, this is not just for settler heritage, but cultural Indigenous heritage as well.

[0:17:52] Voice 3: So there could be a very comprehensive database of all those sites for each of those islands with similar guidelines.

[0:18:01] Voice 3: It means that people can continue to use the properties as they currently are.

[0:18:07] Voice 3: However, if there's future land alterations, and those alterations are then defined in the bylaw, in terms of the scope of alterations, whether it's excavations over a certain size, whether it's new builds, whether it's removal of vegetation, blasting, installation of septic fields,

[0:18:28] Voice 3: those types of changes would then trigger the need for a heritage alteration permit under this

[0:18:37] Voice 3: heritage conservation area and if the guidelines are being met those permits are issued by the

[0:18:45] Voice 3: local trust committee and

[0:18:47] Planner Chadwick: in a way it also acts as a very clear education tool in the sense that

[0:18:53] Planner Chadwick: that right now there is a legal obligation on the part of a property owner

[0:18:58] Planner Chadwick: to report if they've encountered any type of indication of cultural heritage.

[0:19:07] Planner Chadwick: And sometimes property owners can be caught off guard.

[0:19:11] Planner Chadwick: This makes it very clear what their process is.

[0:19:18] Voice 3: And again, it's not about the protection of archaeological sites.

[0:19:23] Voice 3: cultural heritage can look very different so that can be a bit confusing for folks but we

[0:19:29] Voice 3: are talking about landscapes as well as buildings or structures that have significant heritage value

[0:19:36] Voice 3: so next slide i

[0:19:40] Planner Chadwick: see that tim also has his hand up yeah

[0:19:42] Voice 8: i just had a quick question and if this

[0:19:44] Voice 8: isn't the right place tell me and i'll bring it up against later um but in terms of a local trust

[0:19:52] Voice 8: trust committee permit um I'm just wondering how the how local trust committee permits might align

[0:19:59] Voice 8: for example with the cultural heritage investigation permitting um process out of out

[0:20:05] Voice 8: of the Comox Nation so

[0:20:07] Voice 3: the idea is right now they have this chip process in place because we don't

[0:20:15] Voice 3: have anything to help with their review of these land alterations but a heritage conservation area

[0:20:23] Voice 3: could essentially eliminate the need for their chip process in those areas

[0:20:28] Voice 3: and that's what we're discussing with them is that level of oversight could satisfy their needs

[0:20:35] Voice 3: to know that their concerns are going to be addressed through this multi-agency enforceable

[0:20:42] Voice 3: tool versus a CHIP process that we can't enforce on their behalf, that they struggle to enforce

[0:20:49] Voice 3: and isn't tied to the approvals of any local trust committee permits or applications. It's

[0:20:56] Voice 3: just through a good faith relationship that you might defer consideration of an application if

[0:21:02] Voice 3: it doesn't have CHIP, but legally there's no mechanism to deny an application if they don't

[0:21:07] Voice 3: have their chip so there's those loopholes this appear to be able to be closed with the heritage

[0:21:16] Voice 3: conservation area process and the Comox First Nation and Squamish First Nation are very interested

[0:21:23] Voice 3: so far to see how this will assist in alleviating not just the volume of applications that they

[0:21:30] Voice 3: receive but ensuring that the review is comprehensive it's multi-agency and effective

[0:21:40] Voice 3: and the end result is actual protection sustainable long-term protection of these

[0:21:46] Voice 3: features buildings landscapes does that help yeah

[0:21:53] Voice 8: no it does and and i and i'm going to assume when

[0:21:55] Voice 8: when you say a multi-agency,

[0:21:57] Voice 8: that that would leave room for Comox in this case

[0:22:01] Voice 8: to perhaps be directly involved in that process.

[0:22:05] Voice 3: That's right, and that's to be determined

[0:22:07] Voice 3: whether they're just involved in terms of the drafting

[0:22:11] Voice 3: and they're comfortable with those guidelines,

[0:22:13] Voice 3: if they're met, that they're administered in that way,

[0:22:15] Voice 3: or if it's each application still has a level of oversight.

[0:22:21] Voice 3: Those are the pieces that of course

[0:22:23] Voice 3: still need to be flushed out and they're really important operational pieces but they shouldn't

[0:22:28] Voice 3: be seen as roadblocks because um yeah there seems to be a lot of opportunity so an example uh could

[0:22:38] Voice 3: be this is one example where a heritage conservation area could be very specific

[0:22:43] Voice 3: we keep hearing back from multiple nations that the 200 meter buffer from any fresh water or the

[0:22:51] Voice 3: the natural boundary of the sea, are the highest concentrations of interest for their cultural

[0:22:56] Voice 3: heritage as well as archaeological resources. That coincides directly with the highest

[0:23:03] Voice 3: concentration of settler activity and land alterations, as you can imagine. So for both

[0:23:09] Voice 3: the islands, there's a buffer drawn, the 200-meter buffer line. You can see that on the map on the

[0:23:16] Voice 3: the screen and so one opportunity would be to ensure that those areas if they are protected

[0:23:27] Voice 3: under a heritage conservation area or similar tool that that would alleviate some of the concerns

[0:23:37] Voice 3: about this these high concentration areas being impacted adversely by land clearing excavations

[0:23:44] Voice 3: new construction without the guidelines for higher quality low impact development

[0:23:52] Voice 3: so the other option is is that it could be other areas of the island that have already been

[0:23:58] Voice 3: identified by the nation as high priority that fall outside of these areas or it could be island

[0:24:08] Voice 3: wide so there's a variety of ways that the HCA could be used it could be as specific as a single

[0:24:14] Voice 3: property. And currently the Denman Island Local Trust Committee does have a current rezoning

[0:24:19] Voice 3: application with a property or parcel that has significant cultural heritage and concentration

[0:24:27] Voice 3: of archaeological sites, recorded sites, and that this tool is possibly going to be considered

[0:24:34] Voice 3: in conjunction with a rezoning application, for example, for one specific parcel. So the tool can

[0:24:40] Voice 3: can be applied to small or quite a larger scale.

[0:24:44] Voice 3: Either way, the discussion at the LTC level needs to happen

[0:24:49] Voice 3: so that there's clarity about how this tool works,

[0:24:52] Voice 3: what the operationalization of it is

[0:24:55] Voice 3: with neighboring nations

[0:24:58] Voice 3: and all these sort of administrative pieces,

[0:25:01] Voice 3: let alone the community engagement piece

[0:25:04] Voice 3: and education piece about why this is important,

[0:25:06] Voice 3: how this tool can help achieve multiple priorities, not just the Indigenous cultural

[0:25:13] Voice 3: heritage protection, but also the settler heritage piece. So that's all still yet to

[0:25:19] Voice 3: be determined. But this is our first chance to speak with both LTECs to sort of begin this dialogue

[0:25:27] Voice 3: and have a sense of whether or not you're interested in working more coordinatedly together

[0:25:32] Voice 3: together so that we can attempt implementation sort of as a pilot project for this important

[0:25:38] Voice 3: region, because both Denman and Hornby stand out for the nation in terms of high priority for

[0:25:45] Voice 3: protection. Any questions about that piece? Otherwise, I'll pass it over to Narissa.

[0:25:58] Voice 7: Trustee Graham. Thank you. So many questions. I've got lots of questions and comments,

[0:26:05] Voice 7: but I want to wait for the appropriate time. How long is your presentation so that we have time to...

[0:26:13] Planner Chadwick: We have two more slides so you can have...

[0:26:15] Voice 7: I'll wait, I'll wait.

[0:26:18] Planner Chadwick: Really right now we're just getting into the next two slides are just where the Denman process is

[0:26:23] Planner Chadwick: at so I can go through that and we can have further conversation but if you want to have

[0:26:27] Planner Chadwick: further conversation just about this specifically, this is a good time.

[0:26:31] Voice 7: Yeah okay so I'm going to

[0:26:32] Voice 7: to take advantage of the fact that you have specific slides I had, but what you've presented

[0:26:37] Voice 7: here is kind of a general look. So if I may, I'm just going to speak from the heart. I really like

[0:26:45] Voice 7: this idea. I mean, here we are in a trust area with the mandate to preserve and protect. And

[0:26:50] Voice 7: this is just like, seems like the perfect tool to add to our already toolbox that we're trying

[0:26:58] Voice 7: to use to try and protect these islands from uh the chaos of the rest of the world um and i'd like

[0:27:05] Voice 7: to explore uh you know my suggestion for denman would be put the whole island in a heritage

[0:27:12] Voice 7: cultural area just to avoid some of the conversations we've already had because we did

[0:27:18] Voice 7: present to our community at a market and another other areas and and conversations i've had with

[0:27:24] Voice 7: people and people are quick to say whoa gosh well i don't think i'm within that 200 meters so that's

[0:27:29] Voice 7: great you know phew i can you know or i am within that 200 meters oh my god what does that mean

[0:27:35] Voice 7: whereas if we consider having a conversation with a community and we can say look we're going to put

[0:27:41] Voice 7: the whole island in a heritage conservation area because of its um because of the the interests of

[0:27:48] Voice 7: Comox, but also just because it's just another great conservation tool that we can use to,

[0:27:54] Voice 7: as you say, protect landscapes, colonial heritage sites. And, you know, the unique

[0:28:01] Voice 7: amenity question comes up like, well, what's that? Well, one could argue the quaint downtown

[0:28:07] Voice 7: of Denman kind of fits that unique amenity. So there's a protection possible. And from that

[0:28:15] Voice 7: that suggestion, if we went that route, then of course, we as trustees need to be able to answer

[0:28:20] Voice 7: those questions that our inhabitants of Devon and possibly Hornby are going to ask. What does

[0:28:27] Voice 7: that mean when you've just said that on some parcels you can have a secondary dwelling? Or

[0:28:34] Voice 7: what does that mean? Yeah, I think there's so many questions. Because if it seems like it's overly,

[0:28:42] Voice 7: I'm going to use the word bureaucratic, and I don't mean that in a bad way, but just because of the permits take time, agencies take time to look at things, and I just want to be, I want to get a sense as to what are we talking about from a practical perspective here.

[0:28:59] Voice 7: Yeah, I think I'll stop there.

[0:29:02] Voice 8: And it looks like Nerissa's got a comment there.

[0:29:05] Voice 8: Yeah,

[0:29:06] Planner Chadwick: I just had a, so I think there's, I think it's important to, I mean, there's two things that we're talking about in the, with respect to Denman. There is the idea of the creation of a heritage conservation area.

[0:29:22] Planner Chadwick: We're also talking about making changes now related to the housing project. There's some decisions that need to be made around better places for density to go and not to go.

[0:29:40] Planner Chadwick: And so I think they're similar, but different in the sense of there's still some decisions. So the whole island, you know, there is more bureaucracy and costs associated, obviously, with that process. And it's still an option.

[0:30:00] Planner Chadwick: to put heritage conservation wherever you want,

[0:30:03] Planner Chadwick: but you still also have to rethink,

[0:30:07] Planner Chadwick: you have to think about where your density

[0:30:11] Planner Chadwick: is currently allowed,

[0:30:12] Planner Chadwick: where development is currently allowed

[0:30:14] Planner Chadwick: and where you actually want it to be.

[0:30:17] Planner Chadwick: And I think that's the path of discussion

[0:30:19] Planner Chadwick: that the community has been put on right now.

[0:30:22] Planner Chadwick: And the two are related, but they're also different.

[0:30:27] Planner Chadwick: And yeah.

[0:30:28] Planner Chadwick: yeah

[0:30:31] Voice 8: trustee allen yeah

[0:30:35] Voice 5: i'm kind of confused how our process here is now because i just want to

[0:30:38] Voice 5: talk about this one slide but i have a lot of discussion previously but i guess we'll just

[0:30:43] Voice 5: wait until the end of the slide so i'm just going to ask specifically about this one um

[0:30:48] Voice 5: i'm not a scientist but you know we've had the sea level rise this happens for god knows how

[0:30:53] Voice 5: many years right and if we look at the indigenous settlements what 25 45 000 12 000 years ago

[0:31:00] Voice 5: that really the 200 meters is not enough i mean we that's where i'm i'm just coming from is that

[0:31:08] Voice 5: what is the sea level rise we're not even accounting for it in terms of this

[0:31:13] Voice 5: um development area on the do you understand what i'm saying

[0:31:18] Voice 3: yeah no that's a great question

[0:31:19] Voice 3: nurse and i'd be happy to you know confirm that with the nation we haven't talked about

[0:31:24] Voice 3: adaptation and resiliency with climate change with respect to these numbers uh with the 200

[0:31:31] Voice 3: meters because it's all present day natural boundary that we're discussing um but we'd be

[0:31:36] Voice 3: happy to take note of that and explore this a bit further with them of course we're using their

[0:31:43] Voice 3: science and their indigenous knowledge um to inform these slides and this information back

[0:31:49] Voice 3: to you that this this number has been grounded and bedded by their expertise and identified as

[0:31:57] Voice 3: a critical buffer of interest and i'm sure they

[0:32:02] Voice 3: are taking into consideration the fact that things

[0:32:04] Voice 3: are shifting and changing dramatically in terms of intensity of use in those buffer areas i forgot

[0:32:14] Voice 5: what

[0:32:14] Voice 8: is uh trustee borkwick um

[0:32:20] Voice 4: yeah i mean i think this is those are both like really good

[0:32:23] Voice 4: good points from both Trustee Graham and Trustee Allen. I similarly was kind of questioning along

[0:32:29] Voice 4: those lines. One of the things that I, there's a bit of like engagement that I had with someone

[0:32:34] Voice 4: here on Denman was talking about, and I, and obviously like Planet Japanic, you were just

[0:32:43] Voice 4: talking about how the 200 meters comes from the nations and that's their number. And yeah, I mean,

[0:32:50] Voice 4: I would agree with Trustee Allen that maybe it's not enough. And I think for Trustee Graham saying,

[0:32:54] Voice 4: you know we could apply it everywhere i understand that that gets into stuff with with what you're

[0:32:59] Voice 4: talking about in terms of trying to prioritize areas for housing but i i do think that's a

[0:33:02] Voice 4: separate question um the the the question that i had from this this person on denman was like well

[0:33:08] Voice 4: i you know live within 200 meters of the ocean but i'm like right up a cliff so there was you know

[0:33:14] Voice 4: his his argument was that there probably wasn't as much settlement as there might have been in

[0:33:18] Voice 4: another area where it was you know water level and whatever else and i i think it's you know i

[0:33:25] Voice 4: think that the 200 meters is designed to be like a um an averaging tool it's supposed to sort of

[0:33:33] Voice 4: like capture the the farthest extent at the greatest you know area of sea of sea level but

[0:33:39] Voice 4: there is a question of like yeah there's going to be areas where 200 meters is not sufficient they

[0:33:43] Voice 4: were you know people were you know doing stuff considerably further inland and there's going to

[0:33:47] Voice 4: to be areas where it's a lot closer where it's you know that that seems inappropriate and i think

[0:33:52] Voice 4: you know to some degree as a stretchy graham is saying if it is applied unilaterally across the

[0:33:56] Voice 4: island if we decide that this is something was that it has value in every area of of the community

[0:34:03] Voice 4: um you know then then to some degree it takes out that that question of like well am i in it or am

[0:34:08] Voice 4: i not should i be in it should i not if it's applied unilaterally then that takes away that

[0:34:13] Voice 4: thing of like no no we think this is important everywhere um obviously that is going to be there

[0:34:18] Voice 4: is going to be a lesser burden uh in on on some areas and it is important to try and figure out

[0:34:24] Voice 4: like i think an important part of this question is going to be what is the burden the administrative

[0:34:28] Voice 4: burden of enforcement and uh and and process uh that goes on with this is the 200 meters

[0:34:36] Voice 4: the easiest way to sort of you know get the bang best bang for our buck but also is it

[0:34:42] Voice 4: it comprehensive enough does it do all the things we want to do it i mean but that's that's going to

[0:34:46] Voice 4: be interesting stuff to hear back from the nation on um and you know quite apart from i know this is

[0:34:51] Voice 4: a sort of part of that broader conversation but um for alex's benefit um you know i hope that uh

[0:34:59] Voice 4: you know and obviously it's too bad that that grant's not here but you know i think it does

[0:35:03] Voice 4: make a lot of sense for us to try and do things together um i'm certainly happy to do stuff and

[0:35:08] Voice 4: and work stuff out to to do it in in collaboration with our friends across the water um i think that

[0:35:15] Voice 4: makes a lot of sense for our staff and also i totally get the the value that it has to the

[0:35:19] Voice 4: nation so i mean i

[0:35:20] Voice 4: think we're i think i don't think it will be hard for us to come to uh you

[0:35:24] Voice 4: know come to an accord and i hope that that's the case

[0:35:27] Voice 3: that's really helpful thank you yeah so one

[0:35:31] Planner Chadwick: one thing i just wanted to point out is um because there's there's sensitivities around

[0:35:37] Planner Chadwick: sharing like specific archaeological areas and potential with the nation the 200 meters becomes

[0:35:47] Planner Chadwick: like a like almost an easier way to approach it given that like over nine so over 90 percent of

[0:35:53] Planner Chadwick: the archaeological areas are within that 200 meter boundary but we're not like we're not able to

[0:35:59] Planner Chadwick: publicly share you know where all that is so in that way that the 200 meters becomes kind of like

[0:36:05] Planner Chadwick: like, an easier approach instead of being, because being, like, portioning it out, and if it's a

[0:36:12] Planner Chadwick: decision, if it's a decision of the LTC, that, you know, if it's a decision of the LTC to exclude

[0:36:17] Planner Chadwick: certain areas, that would be the decision, but doing it this way is sort of an easier way

[0:36:25] Planner Chadwick: from a nation's perspective, because we're not sharing their data, yeah.

[0:36:32] Voice 4: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think I think we all are we all know that there's that sensitivity of information and that that's where the bulk of stuff is totally, totally get that.

[0:36:41] Voice 4: I think I think I think we're sold on on that.

[0:36:46] Voice 3: The other piece to remember is the Coastal Douglas for ecosystem and associated ecosystems are that's the cultural landscape that supports the nation's cultural heritage.

[0:36:58] Voice 3: And so it's important to remember this isn't just about artifacts, which is archaeology. This is about the landscapes, which is the plants, the trees, the rock formations, the viewpoints that are so significant to their culture that to us may not be obvious or to those that live on the island currently.

[0:37:24] Voice 3: it's not obvious we still enjoy them and appreciate them but there's a deeper significance

[0:37:29] Voice 3: to those and that's that sharing of that information with us to justify why there

[0:37:34] Voice 3: might be guidelines for this would be groundbreaking because we struggle to even

[0:37:41] Voice 3: do biodiversity protection but through a heritage conservation area there might actually be this

[0:37:46] Voice 3: dovetailing of ecosystem and species you know all the umbrella species in the coastal douglas

[0:37:53] Voice 3: for ecosystem that can finally get protection through this cultural heritage lens um yeah we're

[0:38:00] Voice 3: really excited about those potential pieces as well so that we're not talking about individual

[0:38:05] Voice 3: trees but we're talking about the ecosystem as it shifts and changes it makes sense to have

[0:38:11] Voice 3: island-wide approaches because those boundaries are never fixed and we want areas to be restored

[0:38:17] Voice 3: back to as much of an adaptive, resilient ecosystem as possible or natural, where the

[0:38:25] Voice 3: restoration is feasible, and where destruction or alterations have occurred, that doesn't

[0:38:33] Voice 3: mean that that's now fixed for the future.

[0:38:36] Voice 3: So the nations also want to see how this tool can be used to restore lands, you know, to

[0:38:42] Voice 3: to support those same guidelines

[0:38:46] Voice 3: for robust cultural heritage protection.

[0:38:53] Voice 8: Trustee Allen.

[0:38:56] Voice 5: Yeah, thanks.

[0:38:57] Voice 5: Well, I'm not quite ready to let go of the,

[0:39:00] Voice 5: I think we should explore the beyond the boundaries,

[0:39:03] Voice 5: 200 meters, frankly, because, you know,

[0:39:09] Voice 5: obviously there's some areas that are cliffs

[0:39:10] Voice 5: and some are beaches and whatever, whatever.

[0:39:12] Voice 5: But, and I know I was gonna bring it up that yes,

[0:39:15] Voice 5: there is an issue with, we don't know where all the,

[0:39:19] Voice 5: the cultural areas are and they won't they won't want to share that with us but that still doesn't

[0:39:24] Voice 5: mean if we go through an island-wide boundary uh rethink um that should be fine and also

[0:39:33] Voice 5: you know in terms of the trees yes it's also you know i walk in the woods far from the boundary

[0:39:38] Voice 5: and there's lots of culturally modified trees everywhere and um so i i do want to hold on to

[0:39:44] Voice 5: this looking at the boundary and not just accepting 200

[0:39:48] Voice 5: meters frankly that's great thanks

[0:39:50] Voice 5: rusty graham thank

[0:39:55] Voice 7: you so um just picking up on what planner zipponets just talked about protection

[0:40:00] Voice 7: of coastal douglas fir ecosystems and we've we've had many conversations with the denman

[0:40:08] Voice 7: conservancy and various landowners who say how can we protect the fragmented forests that sit

[0:40:15] Voice 7: it on private land. And we've struggled with that. I think we're reduced to merely protecting

[0:40:22] Voice 7: or allowing landowners to remove danger trees. And I think that's about it. We can't really

[0:40:29] Voice 7: protect those fragmented parts of the Denman Coastal Douglas for ecosystems. So would the,

[0:40:35] Voice 7: if again, if we put all of Denman in a heritage cultural protection zone, would that give us

[0:40:43] Voice 7: the tool to make it much more difficult for someone to buy a piece of forest and whack it

[0:40:50] Voice 7: down to the ground, would that, and then build their house, would that give us a tool to

[0:41:00] Voice 7: control those clear cuts to something more reasonable?

[0:41:06] Voice 3: So the short answer is it appears yes. A heritage conservation area tool can be used to protect

[0:41:13] Voice 3: landscapes of significance of which we understand Gary Oak, coastal Douglas fir and associated

[0:41:20] Voice 3: subspecies of those ecosystems can be identified. They have to be clearly articulated and justified

[0:41:26] Voice 3: in the official community plan so that there's no question on the ground what it is that we're

[0:41:31] Voice 3: referring to. So it could be diameter, breast height for different species of trees. It could

[0:41:36] Voice 3: be restrictions on land alteration of certain sizes so that there's like, you know, a minimum

[0:41:42] Voice 3: area that can be cleared no questions asked but as soon as it exceeds a certain square footage

[0:41:47] Voice 3: that's where the alteration permit kicks in and the guidelines have to be met so it's not

[0:41:52] Voice 3: restricting or preventing development it's not sterilizing land from development it's guiding

[0:42:01] Voice 3: the development so it may also include restoration conditions of which we don't often see so the cost

[0:42:09] Voice 3: of business or construction in this case could be very different when there's an obligation on the

[0:42:16] Voice 3: person making those land alterations to do restoration work. So it really puts the onus on

[0:42:24] Voice 3: people making alterations to land to proactively address whatever those concerns or issues are that

[0:42:32] Voice 3: are stipulated in the heritage conservation area. So the way it's drafted is critical.

[0:42:37] Voice 3: It has to be very clear and implementable and enforceable.

[0:42:43] Voice 3: And we've started that with a draft for the Gambier area, for example.

[0:42:49] Voice 3: So we have some familiarity with how this could look.

[0:42:52] Voice 3: It is very similar to a development permit area, but the guidelines are key.

[0:42:58] Voice 3: Absolutely critical.

[0:42:59] Voice 3: So the communities for Denman and Hornby, which have thankfully very similar ecosystem types, it could really be beneficial to use very similar language to ensure that those forest ecosystems, despite the ocean in between, there's this continuity of protection over land,

[0:43:21] Voice 3: land regardless of the tenure of the land whether it's owned rented leased provincial federal first

[0:43:28] Voice 3: nations park all that could be applied whereas development permits we can't apply that over

[0:43:35] Voice 3: provincial or federal land but a heritage conservation area you sure can and if a tenure

[0:43:40] Voice 3: comes in through the province for an application and there's a registered hca designation

[0:43:44] Voice 3: designation, there's a whole other process involved now. So when we talk about multi-agency

[0:43:50] Voice 3: or multi-pronged approach, an HCA draws the attention of the province and the feds,

[0:43:55] Voice 3: whereas a development permit doesn't. It has no teeth in that regard. So we're really curious

[0:44:02] Voice 3: to also extend this into that ecological benefit, because obviously the nations are

[0:44:09] Voice 3: articulating that with us, how important the health of the ecosystems, regardless of the

[0:44:14] Voice 3: fact that they're fragmented is to them and how the restoration of those ecosystems is equally

[0:44:20] Voice 3: important is that it's everybody's obligation as they make land alterations to restore as much as

[0:44:25] Voice 3: possible or create conditions where naturalization of those lands is possible in the future so we go

[0:44:32] Voice 3: back to higher levels of biodiversity versus plummeting levels of biodiversity higher levels

[0:44:39] Voice 3: levels of vegetation and forest canopy, mature forest canopy versus invasive species

[0:44:46] Voice 3: canopies that blow out in 60 years and there's no mature forest capacity. So those are the types

[0:44:53] Voice 3: of things we feel this tool can address with the robust language drafting that's required.

[0:45:01] Voice 3: required.

[0:45:02] Voice 7: A quick follow-up, if I may. How does the Agricultural Land Reserve,

[0:45:08] Voice 7: how are they affected by an HCA permit? Because as you know, almost half of Demet is in the ALR.

[0:45:15] Voice 3: Yeah, that's a great question. We haven't run into that yet in the House Sound because there's so few

[0:45:23] Voice 3: areas in the reserve. But our understanding is that provincially,

[0:45:27] Voice 3: potentially um the designation may not prevent farming activities but the guidelines

[0:45:35] Voice 3: that are drafted could um potentially address those land alterations and the enforceability

[0:45:42] Voice 3: of it is still something we haven't explored but clearly for denman and hornby this is a significant

[0:45:48] Voice 3: piece that we need to vet and thankfully we have colleagues in the provincial

[0:45:53] Voice 3: residential uh heritage branch that are really interested in having you look at this because

[0:46:00] Voice 3: they feel it's such a valuable um pilot and model for the entire province it's just not been

[0:46:09] Voice 3: prioritized by a local government yet so these are the types of questions we feel will be answered

[0:46:14] Voice 3: very quickly we have the support we have the ears and the interest of our colleagues at the province

[0:46:18] Voice 3: to sort of sort this out with us.

[0:46:22] Voice 3: So we'll take note of that and let you know.

[0:46:27] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:46:30] Voice 8: Rusty Allen.

[0:46:32] Voice 5: Yeah, I'm just concerned with time

[0:46:33] Voice 5: and how this is flowing.

[0:46:35] Voice 5: There's more slides.

[0:46:36] Voice 5: How many more slides there are?

[0:46:38] Voice 5: And I want to have a robust discussion

[0:46:41] Voice 5: in terms of what's been laid out in our package.

[0:46:45] Voice 5: So I'm just wondering,

[0:46:47] Voice 5: because we kind of,

[0:46:48] Planner Chadwick: I think there's a slide,

[0:46:50] Voice 5: but then we're going off to other slides.

[0:46:51] Voice 5: Sure.

[0:46:51] Voice 5: I don't want it to go off track here.

[0:46:54] Planner Chadwick: That was a really good check-in.

[0:46:55] Planner Chadwick: Thank you, Pastor Allen.

[0:46:59] Planner Chadwick: There's only two more slides,

[0:47:00] Planner Chadwick: and it's basically there for the benefit

[0:47:02] Planner Chadwick: of the Hornby Local Trust Committee

[0:47:04] Planner Chadwick: just to tell you where Denman is

[0:47:07] Planner Chadwick: in terms of their housing project

[0:47:10] Planner Chadwick: because it'll be important for the Hornby LTC

[0:47:15] Planner Chadwick: to keep a very close eye on that process

[0:47:17] Planner Chadwick: and to understand the decisions that are going to be made

[0:47:21] Planner Chadwick: because ultimately if there are decisions that the comox like um then the comox are going to

[0:47:26] Planner Chadwick: probably want to see uh um hornby follow suit so why don't i finish off with those two uh slides

[0:47:34] Planner Chadwick: and then we can just let the conversation go wherever wherever it goes sound good i see nods

[0:47:40] Planner Chadwick: yes um yeah so this is sorry did you have i was

[0:47:45] Voice 5: just going to say in an organized way yes

[0:47:47] Voice 5: Yes, a conversational flow.

[0:47:48] Voice 5: Yes, in an organized way.

[0:47:50] Planner Chadwick: Yeah.

[0:47:53] Planner Chadwick: So this is just to give you a sense of where Denman is in their timeline.

[0:47:57] Planner Chadwick: So they've actually been working on this for two years now,

[0:47:59] Planner Chadwick: and it's involved a number of processes.

[0:48:02] Planner Chadwick: They had their housing ABC research and engagement of the community.

[0:48:11] Planner Chadwick: We've been working on some, and through this time,

[0:48:14] Planner Chadwick: we've been working on some mapping work.

[0:48:15] Planner Chadwick: So there's been some work that's been done around watershed resilience, and we've also done some work in looking at how we can bring all of the data points that we use when we have applications, how we can use them in a broader way.

[0:48:42] Planner Chadwick: And so that information was also presented to Hornby.

[0:48:47] Planner Chadwick: That was a suitable land analysis on Denman.

[0:48:49] Planner Chadwick: We're looking at the data points in a bit of a different way.

[0:48:54] Planner Chadwick: We've had a housing action plan and out of the housing action plan has come a list of implementation actions.

[0:49:03] Planner Chadwick: And those were divided into sort of the easier ones and the harder ones.

[0:49:07] Planner Chadwick: And the easier ones are things like requiring cisterns for new builds, for example.

[0:49:14] Planner Chadwick: And those easier ones, the LTC has approved some draft language for.

[0:49:21] Planner Chadwick: And the more difficult questions around density, where to increase the ability for more housing and such are now being discussed with the community.

[0:49:34] Planner Chadwick: We had a meeting on, about a month ago, was it July the 25th, about three weeks ago.

[0:49:41] Planner Chadwick: And that was, that's where we were able to present some maps to the community.

[0:49:48] Planner Chadwick: As Trustee Graham indicated, the community had an opportunity to look at the idea of this boundary, this 200 meter boundary.

[0:49:59] Planner Chadwick: boundary and that so in this context the way that it's being presented is that that would be where

[0:50:06] Planner Chadwick: um in the conversations around adding any additional density so additional units

[0:50:11] Planner Chadwick: ability to have additional units what have you that would be in a no-go area simply because it

[0:50:17] Planner Chadwick: is a more sensitive area from a you know the comox perspective um uh so that's that's again

[0:50:25] Planner Chadwick: that's sort of the little bit of the different perspective there. There's the idea of it being

[0:50:30] Planner Chadwick: a heritage protection area, which means that you'd have, you know, doing anything in that area would

[0:50:35] Planner Chadwick: mean that you'd have to go through a process to get a permit. And then there's the question that

[0:50:41] Planner Chadwick: within the housing context, there is questions right now that out there around where additional

[0:50:49] Planner Chadwick: unit permissions could be allowed or even reducing the ability to have subdivision

[0:50:55] Planner Chadwick: in certain areas, for example. And so looking at that as an area where we wouldn't necessarily

[0:51:03] Planner Chadwick: want to allow anything additional to what's already being allowed in the OCP and the land

[0:51:15] Planner Chadwick: use bylaw right now so um we are moving into after we have another community engagement

[0:51:23] Planner Chadwick: meeting in september um or october we're just trying to nail down the date um and after that

[0:51:31] Planner Chadwick: uh hopefully we're hoping that some clear decisions can be made and we can start to move

[0:51:36] Planner Chadwick: towards um the the drafting of the bylaws and then into readings so that's uh it's it's that that's

[0:51:44] Planner Chadwick: sort of where we are in terms of uh the project are there any questions just in terms of the

[0:51:49] Planner Chadwick: timeline there no questions um so in terms of the options that are kind of um being discussed right

[0:51:59] Planner Chadwick: now among in the community the the options that have been presented to the community for discussion

[0:52:04] Planner Chadwick: to the ltc the the ltc is yet to um um provide direction to staff on on on on which options to

[0:52:14] Planner Chadwick: follow through with um one of well what one of the things that we're we're doing which um which

[0:52:22] Planner Chadwick: really is um to be reviewed by uh by comox is the revision of the first nation's history

[0:52:29] Planner Chadwick: and recognitions in the in the ocp so we're doing that sort of parallel to the housing

[0:52:33] Planner Chadwick: because the housing is a significant um will be a significant uh uh change there's significant

[0:52:42] Planner Chadwick: changes happening and because we're working with with with the comox it would be not appropriate

[0:52:47] Planner Chadwick: not to not to revise that section um uh and then there's other options that i've i've sort of put

[0:52:56] Planner Chadwick: under the they sort of fall under this heading of reimagining growth so options have been put

[0:53:02] Planner Chadwick: forward to the community to think about in terms of of how growth can be managed on on the uh the

[0:53:08] Planner Chadwick: island um there has been a density um bank and the idea of a density cap and those are problematic

[0:53:17] Planner Chadwick: for a variety of reasons which we've been talking about and and options are being put forward and

[0:53:24] Planner Chadwick: discussed um around the managing growth using very focused policies and regulations with very

[0:53:32] Planner Chadwick: very clear criteria. So that's looking at

[0:53:35] Planner Chadwick: data that we have related to water

[0:53:40] Planner Chadwick: sensitive ecosystems. I'm in

[0:53:44] Planner Chadwick: conversation with the Denman Conservancy. That

[0:53:47] Planner Chadwick: information will be brought forward to the next community engagement meeting.

[0:53:54] Planner Chadwick: And ultimately will inform

[0:53:56] Planner Chadwick: where it's suitable to put additional units

[0:54:00] Planner Chadwick: potentially um and and we're calling in suitable areas and an example of that is a suitable area

[0:54:07] Planner Chadwick: would be not not within that 200 meter boundary because that you know for all the reasons we've

[0:54:12] Planner Chadwick: discussed um the idea of limiting subdivision to special needs affordable and attainable is

[0:54:19] Planner Chadwick: sort of being put up put out there as a an area for discussion and also um limiting rezoning to

[0:54:27] Planner Chadwick: to those particular focuses as well.

[0:54:30] Planner Chadwick: So those are the ideas that are out there

[0:54:33] Planner Chadwick: for discussion right now.

[0:54:35] Planner Chadwick: As I say, like if everything goes, you know, smoothly

[0:54:39] Planner Chadwick: and I mean, the LTC will have a better sense

[0:54:43] Planner Chadwick: of how smooth things can go in the community.

[0:54:48] Planner Chadwick: You know, we could see heading into like first reading

[0:54:55] Planner Chadwick: by uh you know february march or so trustee graham thank

[0:55:10] Voice 7: you for that i just wanted to add the one

[0:55:12] Voice 7: more um idea that we're floating with our community is a reduction in lot coverage

[0:55:18] Voice 7: presented lodge coverage and also um the idea of putting a maximum residential square footage

[0:55:27] Voice 7: on lots and that's been a really interesting conversation. I've had so many people,

[0:55:34] Voice 7: I've had builders come up to me and say, you know, this is the ideal number and then I've

[0:55:38] Voice 7: had other people say, well, that's way too big. So it's a real, really interesting conversation

[0:55:42] Voice 7: point, but we've never had it before on Demand and I know Louise Bell, if she's watching or

[0:55:49] Voice 7: listening, she would be glowing because she always wanted to limit the size of houses on Demand and

[0:55:54] Voice 7: And we never managed to get that done.

[0:55:56] Voice 7: So that's another bullet point that I think you could perhaps just add that to that slide.

[0:56:01] Planner Chadwick: Yeah, thanks.

[0:56:02] Planner Chadwick: I will add that.

[0:56:03] Planner Chadwick: Yeah, and thanks for reminding me.

[0:56:04] Planner Chadwick: I was also working on, oh, sorry.

[0:56:06] Planner Chadwick: I was working on, I was working on Gabriola's slides as well.

[0:56:12] Planner Chadwick: And anyways, it's the

[0:56:15] Voice 1: back and forth.

[0:56:15] Planner Chadwick: And that's why I, yeah, I, but absolutely that is a key.

[0:56:19] Planner Chadwick: That's a key discussion point right now.

[0:56:21] Planner Chadwick: And controversial, as I understand.

[0:56:24] Voice 7: I hope so.

[0:56:25] Voice 7: That means they're engaged.

[0:56:28] Voice 6: Yeah.

[0:56:29] Voice 6: If

[0:56:29] Voice 7: they ignore us, I'm a little worried.

[0:56:31] Voice 6: Yeah.

[0:56:39] Voice 8: Okay.

[0:56:40] Voice 8: Was that the final slide then?

[0:56:42] Voice 8: That is the final slide.

[0:56:43] Planner Chadwick: So I'll stop sharing.

[0:56:45] Voice 8: Okay.

[0:56:48] Voice 8: So I guess it's time to open the discussion.

[0:56:51] Voice 8: I'm just going to go back to there's some discussion points suggested in the agenda package.

[0:57:02] Voice 8: package and i'll just um uh look to trustees are you happy to just go through those one by one

[0:57:11] Voice 8: um and generate some discussion that way does that seem reasonable okay so the first one being um

[0:57:18] Voice 8: which uh comox first nation draft recommendations are both ltc willing to explore uh implementing

[0:57:25] Voice 8: together sam

[0:57:32] Voice 4: um yeah i mean i guess i would just sort of i mean speaking to to yeah you and alex

[0:57:38] Voice 4: um are there any that you're not uh because i mean it all looks pretty solid to me um and

[0:57:45] Voice 4: definitely like as i said before like i think it i i totally take the point from staff that it makes

[0:57:50] Voice 4: a lot of sense to do this together um i think that's respectful of the nation and and also

[0:57:55] Voice 4: respectful of our staff um but if there's anything um and i i have a separate thought about about

[0:58:03] Voice 4: sort of the prioritization uh column which i'm like i don't necessarily know that we i don't

[0:58:10] Voice 4: even i don't know that it's useful to prioritize these especially or if staff think that there's

[0:58:16] Voice 4: a specific reason to put one of these over the others my inclination would be like there's only

[0:58:20] Voice 4: three broad categories i don't think it makes sense to say necessarily say any one of them is

[0:58:25] Voice 4: necessarily more important unless that's useful for some specific reason the

[0:58:30] Voice 3: prioritization is

[0:58:32] Voice 3: for the uh nation to to determine and they'll be getting back to us on whether or not that

[0:58:37] Voice 3: actually does work for them we suggested they might wish to because squamish nation did that

[0:58:41] Voice 3: um however uh when we present you with the final version of this engagement summary there may

[0:58:47] Voice 3: actually be more categories as well we just wanted

[0:58:51] Voice 3: to get a sense of what's the appetite at this

[0:58:53] Voice 3: moment in time based on the information we've received to date through our staff engagement

[0:58:58] Voice 3: that like you said is there any that really are showstoppers or does this feel like a good

[0:59:05] Voice 3: pilot to work on together from a regional perspective alex

[0:59:12] Voice 6: um

[0:59:14] Voice 5: i will say when i first

[0:59:16] Voice 5: read this i was i do have a hesitancy about uh doing housing together i think we're very different

[0:59:27] Voice 5: And to be honest, when I look at the paragraphs, coordinated approach, blah, blah, blah, LTCs and the LTC discussion, and then you look at what's actually being presented, it's quite different.

[0:59:42] Voice 5: like there's not like a does not have as much housing as that first paragraph in

[0:59:49] Voice 5: housing so I'm I'm kind of confused because I like the a I think we can do

[0:59:53] Voice 5: it but in terms of housing I think we're very different and that's where I

[1:00:00] Voice 5: confused how this is laid out in terms of the introduction got me anybody sonia

[1:00:09] Voice 8: i i think i

[1:00:10] Voice 8: i think i understand where you're coming from and and i guess my perspective is that um

[1:00:19] Voice 8: uh one of the you know the next question is are there areas where each island's housing needs

[1:00:24] Voice 8: overlap and could share the same solutions i would suspect that the short answer is yes but

[1:00:30] Voice 8: there's a lot of nuance there um and that you know uh hornby ltc would need to spend some time

[1:00:41] Voice 8: uh looking at the work that um that denman's been doing to really understand where those overlaps

[1:00:47] Voice 8: um actually actually are um back back to you i

[1:00:53] Voice 5: was gonna say you just segued into what i was

[1:00:55] Voice 5: gonna ask of staff in terms of um you know i've had a crazy busy summer so i really haven't had

[1:01:00] Voice 5: much time to do anything beyond standing on a counter and answer questions but um has staff

[1:01:08] Voice 5: looked at both dem and hornby and compared in terms of how we are approaching housing

[1:01:15] Voice 5: is there similarity because i i don't think we are i could be wrong we've got beulah creek that's

[1:01:21] Voice 5: finally happening my god um after 21 years uh but it's like we would not yeah that's where i'm still

[1:01:30] Voice 5: still kind of hesitant?

[1:01:33] Voice 3: So formally, no, because we haven't had direction from our respective

[1:01:37] Voice 3: project leads, the LCCs, to do that. This is sort of that first conversation we're having with you

[1:01:44] Voice 3: about we do feel generally housing crisis is similar across many islands. How it shows up and

[1:01:52] Voice 3: how it's managed is going to be different. But the needs and the gaps are very similar. There is a

[1:01:59] Voice 3: a deficiency in the housing spectrum representing rental housing there's a deficiency in the housing

[1:02:04] Voice 3: spectrum representing alternative tenures so not just the market ownership model um so there is

[1:02:11] Voice 3: the vast majority of housing is simply feasible market um land and single family dwellings so

[1:02:19] Voice 3: both islands share that generalization that you have very little representation of the housing

[1:02:26] Voice 3: spectrum on the other side. And we want to increase the breadth of that spectrum so that

[1:02:32] Voice 3: there's options, which means that the focus needs to be away from market fee simple if you wish to

[1:02:43] Voice 3: have broader representation for both islands. So the solutions might be very similar to do that.

[1:02:48] Voice 3: However, both islands would need to and have articulated that there is a need for more of

[1:02:53] Voice 3: those housing options so it's not like we need to hear that again it's just that um the solutions

[1:02:59] Voice 3: to implement that will likely be very similar presented to both local trust committees and

[1:03:06] Voice 3: the implementation might look different can

[1:03:09] Voice 5: i follow up yeah okay i hear you then but that's

[1:03:14] Voice 5: saying like you know we're no different than courtney victoria vancouver toronto in terms of

[1:03:18] Voice 5: we all have a housing crisis but but what i just got from what you said so what i'm saying is that

[1:03:24] Voice 5: that we have different approaches, but we all have the same issues.

[1:03:28] Voice 5: So I'm concerned that our approaches are going to be diluted

[1:03:32] Voice 5: in terms of in some sort of cookie cutter

[1:03:35] Voice 5: that Dormy, Dem and I are going to be only approaching this way.

[1:03:38] Voice 5: So this is where we're the same, but we're different.

[1:03:40] Voice 5: So I just want to be clear that our solutions could be different,

[1:03:45] Voice 5: but we're all suffering from the same issues.

[1:03:47] Voice 5: That was my concern.

[1:03:51] Voice 3: You might be presented, yes,

[1:03:52] Voice 3: Yes, both trust committees may be presented with very similar solutions and what you choose to implement might look different.

[1:04:00] Voice 3: But there's a lot of benefit to sharing what we think would work for both because we're already identifying very similar concerns for both rural islands.

[1:04:11] Voice 3: You're not a city. We're not trying to urbanize these islands at all.

[1:04:14] Voice 3: We're trying to maintain the preserve and protect mandate in light of this housing crisis.

[1:04:19] Voice 3: So, we suspect that we'd be offering similar solutions and Comox First Nation is very interested to see a more coordinated approach that respects all these overarching issues and concerns on the natural resources that support the humans that live in these communities.

[1:04:37] Voice 5: Okay, yeah, don't get me wrong, I totally agree with that. I just want to make sure that we have our own unique ways as well, that's all.

[1:04:43] Voice 5: Yeah,

[1:04:45] Voice 8: and I would just add, I'm going to go to Teresa next, but I would just add that I don't think there's any mechanism whereby Hornby's decision making on specific issues around housing would be fettered by a general agreement that we want to sort of align and cooperate.

[1:05:07] Voice 8: operate so i don't think there's any concern um there it'll it'll definitely be the horn bltc that

[1:05:14] Voice 8: that votes on implements any any uh any legislation uh narissa yeah

[1:05:19] Planner Chadwick: i was i was just gonna point out

[1:05:21] Planner Chadwick: that um we we we have housing projects going um uh on and on main island north tender and um and

[1:05:31] Planner Chadwick: And the Gabriola OCP process has a very strong housing focus.

[1:05:35] Planner Chadwick: And we have developed a housing toolkit which essentially identifies all of the possible policy and regulatory options available to essentially address housing within a preserve and protect perspective.

[1:05:56] Planner Chadwick: perspective so um you know if you follow if you follow any of these housing projects you'll see

[1:06:01] Planner Chadwick: like uh and and we've they've moved forward in different ways we've had apcs involved um they've

[1:06:08] Planner Chadwick: been you know more um and apcs have been involved in various ways but in all cases um the the

[1:06:15] Planner Chadwick: general um options are are basically are very very similar so i think you'll find um um but what

[1:06:22] Planner Chadwick: what shifts and what changes is that the landscapes,

[1:06:25] Planner Chadwick: the islands themselves are very different.

[1:06:29] Planner Chadwick: So, you know, where Maine is able to focus,

[1:06:35] Planner Chadwick: where it makes sense, for example,

[1:06:37] Planner Chadwick: for them to add additional units is very different from, you know,

[1:06:43] Planner Chadwick: Gabriola, but the kind of data and the focus and the perspective

[1:06:49] Planner Chadwick: and the values that are being brought forward are very similar.

[1:06:58] Voice 7: David.

[1:07:01] Voice 7: Thank you, Tim.

[1:07:04] Voice 7: Just, you know, I mean, historically, Hornby and Dimon have had,

[1:07:08] Voice 7: I think, similar housing ideas brought to them.

[1:07:14] Voice 7: I mean, the idea of sharing land is something that's happened

[1:07:17] Voice 7: on both islands, and we both still have healthy communities

[1:07:23] Voice 7: of people who live on shared land

[1:07:25] Voice 7: and have no interest in subdividing

[1:07:28] Voice 7: and quite happy with this kind of shared land idea.

[1:07:32] Voice 7: And I know anecdotally on Demmen

[1:07:36] Voice 7: that those communities have a higher preservation

[1:07:39] Voice 7: and protection mandate self-imposed

[1:07:43] Voice 7: than even the general trust area has.

[1:07:45] Voice 7: So, I mean, there's some real advantages

[1:07:47] Voice 7: to acknowledging our historical land uses

[1:07:51] Voice 7: as far as housing.

[1:07:52] Voice 7: and and perhaps even building on them which and we share we share those i really do i think the

[1:07:57] Voice 7: two islands kind of grew up in the same way now we didn't inherit such a beautiful geographic

[1:08:03] Voice 7: draw as you did with tribune and helly well and so we we weren't able to follow that route

[1:08:11] Voice 7: from an economic perspective um and we kind of stayed more i don't know we're the highway to

[1:08:17] Voice 7: hornby that's how people always think of us a little quieter and and we we don't have that

[1:08:22] Voice 7: that uh economic generator but the way we've used our land quite simple i know that on hornby

[1:08:28] Voice 7: many terms ago you divided your rural residential lots in half so you i think you have a five acre

[1:08:35] Voice 7: minimum and we've stayed at the 10 acre so those that's a that's a slight difference

[1:08:39] Voice 7: not not uh not a big difference um but i i do think that acknowledging the land sharing ideas

[1:08:47] Voice 7: on both islands is something that that we should acknowledge and possibly add to yeah

[1:08:52] Voice 7: bam

[1:08:56] Voice 8: yeah

[1:08:58] Voice 4: i mean i was just sort of gonna say because i think all of this is stuff that all

[1:09:03] Voice 4: of us know um and i then i i'd really like i'm with alex and that you know hornby and demma need

[1:09:10] Voice 4: need to approach these things in ways that needs to be driven from the LTC. They've got to make

[1:09:14] Voice 4: those decisions. And respectfully, and really respectfully, Denman's housing project is,

[1:09:24] Voice 4: we're going ahead with the things. We've put a ton of work into this stuff. We've made these

[1:09:28] Voice 4: decisions based on what we think is good. Staff have put in a tremendous amount of work. Narissa

[1:09:32] Voice 4: has done just yeoman's work on all of this. We're going to be going ahead with a lot of this stuff.

[1:09:39] Voice 4: i think what this is really is an opportunity for alex to say yeah staff i'd love to see what

[1:09:47] Voice 4: demon's doing and then cherry pick what he thinks is appropriate and what they think you know what

[1:09:51] Voice 4: the ltc thinks is appropriate um you know to apply that to me that's sort of the perspective here

[1:09:57] Voice 4: demon's not going to appreciably change like the plan based on like for me it's like well this is

[1:10:05] Voice 4: a thing that really works for us and over here and like obviously i think you know how that gets

[1:10:08] Voice 4: communicated and how we interact with the nation is really important and valuable for that to be

[1:10:16] Voice 4: a peer unified in the very least. And one of the things I would recommend right off the bat,

[1:10:24] Voice 4: which is something that we've already undertaken, is unifying the standardizing some of the

[1:10:33] Voice 4: the definitions in our, our LUB and OCP with, with the broader area. And that's been the work

[1:10:39] Voice 4: of the, our, the regional planning team, which is awesome. And it's makes a lot of sense. And

[1:10:44] Voice 4: the, the update that they've, you know, the draft we've seen, which I don't think is fully out yet.

[1:10:49] Voice 4: I don't remember if that's, we don't think we've adopted it yet, but the, the draft layout change

[1:10:54] Voice 4: to our LUB, you know, looks really cool. Looks great. That's very helpful. But those are the

[1:11:01] Voice 4: the parts where that's useful. I think it's still really important for the ORMB LTC to like

[1:11:05] Voice 4: pick their way, but respectfully, we're going to go ahead with the things that we've put all this

[1:11:09] Voice 4: work into. I hope. I feel like I had another thing I was going to say as well. Yeah. I mean,

[1:11:20] Voice 4: and just, yeah, like we're going to go ahead and do those things. And like, you know, making sure

[1:11:28] Voice 4: that that language is standardized as we communicate it out to the nation makes a lot of

[1:11:33] Voice 4: of sense that's just that's a benefit but that's you know we're going to have to make those choices

[1:11:38] Voice 4: one way or the other um there was another thing but it's completely gone so we'll see if it comes

[1:11:45] Voice 4: back

[1:11:46] Voice 6: alex

[1:11:49] Voice 5: well mine's come and gone and come and gone and come and gone the last half an hour i'm

[1:11:57] Voice 5: really worried about my brain right now didn't sleep um yeah let's just be clear i'm not against

[1:12:02] Voice 5: that i'm just speaking for a few little hesitant people the community that you know we are different

[1:12:07] Voice 5: and yes we can share a lot of you know in terms of uh what is it housing yeah our housing needs

[1:12:18] Voice 5: do overlap and we can share solutions for sure i agree with that but i will david trustee graham

[1:12:23] Voice 5: i will say in terms of the housing land agreements out there they're not getting along our communes

[1:12:28] Voice 5: they've cut all their ponytails off and they're it's not very pleasant at any of those uh co-op

[1:12:34] Voice 5: up housings right now it's really sad um but that's that's that's the 60s for ea or was it

[1:12:40] Voice 5: the 70s um yeah so and also i have to say it wasn't reflected in the motions but grant and i

[1:12:48] Voice 5: years ago because of the whole thatch issue that we actually said every single application has to go

[1:12:56] Voice 5: be sent to comox first nations no matter where they are every single one and i don't know whether

[1:13:02] Voice 5: Whether they've seen them or not,

[1:13:04] Voice 5: I haven't had a chance to talk to them.

[1:13:06] Voice 5: As well, when the Thatch first stuck their shovel in,

[1:13:10] Voice 5: I had contacted the archaeology branch

[1:13:12] Voice 5: and they said it's legal and whatever

[1:13:14] Voice 5: and nothing happened.

[1:13:16] Voice 5: So I read that report that came out in the 24th on...

[1:13:24] Voice 5: What was it?

[1:13:25] Voice 5: Have you guys read that?

[1:13:27] Voice 5: It came out in the 24th, 2024.

[1:13:31] Voice 5: 24, Indigenous Cultural

[1:13:34] Voice 5: Heritage Policies as a Pathway for

[1:13:36] Voice 5: Indigenous Sovereignty and the Role of

[1:13:38] Voice 5: Local Governments. An example

[1:13:40] Voice 5: is Comox First Nation. It's a good read.

[1:13:42] Voice 5: It was put out in September 2024.

[1:13:45] Voice 5: But it does

[1:13:46] Voice 5: say that Islands Trust is the one local

[1:13:48] Voice 5: government that we actually are proactive

[1:13:50] Voice 5: in terms of dealing with the archaeology

[1:13:53] Voice 5: and

[1:13:55] Voice 5: protecting sites. So that

[1:13:56] Voice 5: was encouraging that we are slightly

[1:13:58] Voice 5: ahead. But

[1:14:00] Voice 5: back to this. I mean, I

[1:14:03] Voice 5: I like it. I like them all. I just I'm wondering whether we should have staff come back with something that compares significant housing approaches with our two islands.

[1:14:17] Voice 5: Not only to say we're different, but possibly to share solutions that I haven't thought of that you guys may not have thought of on your island.

[1:14:24] Voice 5: That's all. So I'm wondering whether that's a doable thing, Nerissa or Sonia.

[1:14:32] Voice 5: Well,

[1:14:33] Planner Chadwick: I would say that right now, Denman is in process of defining their direction and all of the options that will move forward. And so the best thing to do at this point, I think, would be to follow that process.

[1:14:48] Planner Chadwick: And I mean, if you're interested in a more, you know, like a summary of their key options that could be provided as, you know, as part of your housing project moving forward.

[1:15:04] Planner Chadwick: So I'm not sure where you are at.

[1:15:09] Planner Chadwick: Sonia will have a better sense of where you're at in your project

[1:15:11] Planner Chadwick: and at what point in time

[1:15:13] Planner Chadwick: it would make sense to share

[1:15:16] Planner Chadwick: the options that

[1:15:18] Planner Chadwick: have been presented

[1:15:20] Planner Chadwick: and to

[1:15:21] Planner Chadwick: Denman and the ones that they end up moving forward with

[1:15:23] Planner Chadwick: and I think within the next

[1:15:25] Planner Chadwick: few months we will have a sense of

[1:15:27] Planner Chadwick: what we're going forward with

[1:15:29] Planner Chadwick: as we head into bylaw writing

[1:15:33] Voice 5: I just want to follow up that

[1:15:34] Voice 5: I do feel that

[1:15:36] Voice 5: Denman and Hornby

[1:15:38] Voice 5: I'd be really jealous of the southern Gulf Islands

[1:15:41] Voice 5: they're actually the

[1:15:43] Voice 5: you're not the straight islanders

[1:15:44] Voice 5: not the gulf islanders straight

[1:15:46] Voice 5: s-t-r-a-i-t it's not a gulf

[1:15:48] Voice 5: um that they got they're so tight

[1:15:50] Voice 5: you know they have all they do all these things together

[1:15:52] Voice 5: and everything else and we don't you know we've got

[1:15:54] Voice 5: this weird thing where we've got you know

[1:15:56] Voice 5: gambier and bowen like really

[1:15:58] Voice 5: they're way over there and then gabriella

[1:16:01] Voice 5: way down there fetus

[1:16:02] Voice 5: huh and so it's you and

[1:16:05] Voice 5: it's you and i

[1:16:07] Voice 5: us so i really i do feel

[1:16:09] Voice 5: it's been lacking um

[1:16:10] Voice 5: um a relationship between denman and hornby so not even on this but other areas i'd like to see

[1:16:16] Voice 5: us collaborate way more and

[1:16:20] Voice 8: maybe grant yeah

[1:16:21] Voice 5: i just sorry grant my degree without right

[1:16:25] Voice 8: um yeah

[1:16:27] Voice 8: so just to reflect on a little bit uh um certainly the hornby ltc i think can um you know ask ask

[1:16:37] Voice 8: ask staff to maybe circle back with some of the Denman work

[1:16:43] Voice 8: and kind of run some of the bias in a way that, you know,

[1:16:49] Voice 8: I don't think we don't have time today to get in-depth on that,

[1:16:53] Voice 8: but I think there's value there.

[1:16:57] Voice 8: And also just reflecting on the value that's coming out of the regional

[1:17:03] Voice 8: planning team uh i think this is kind of like one of the first examples i've been directly involved

[1:17:09] Voice 8: um in where where that value is becoming really clear so i think that's that's a good thing um

[1:17:19] Voice 8: and certainly yeah i mean um what hornby decides to do with the information that we get about what

[1:17:27] Voice 8: what Denman's doing is, is totally up to Hornby. Right. But,

[1:17:31] Voice 8: but I think there's value in, in, in seeing what sort of, you know,

[1:17:36] Voice 8: not only what, what sort of approaches and tools you've,

[1:17:39] Voice 8: you've been looking at, but, but what you,

[1:17:44] Voice 8: what you're more thinking about adopting and,

[1:17:46] Voice 8: and where possible what the rationale was around that, but also just

[1:17:52] Voice 8: looking at the,

[1:17:53] Voice 8: The, so I'm just kind of thinking like that,

[1:17:57] Voice 8: the housing piece is something Denman's deep into.

[1:18:05] Voice 8: Hornby less so at this point,

[1:18:07] Voice 8: we've been really into the working on the short-term vacation rental issues,

[1:18:13] Voice 8: but that's work that Hornby needs to do.

[1:18:15] Voice 8: So I just kind of want to look at the, some of the other things.

[1:18:21] Voice 8: I think it's probably early to start to think about creating a shared housing strategy at this point.

[1:18:28] Voice 8: I think Hornby needs to have some opportunity to look at what you guys have been doing over on Denman.

[1:18:37] Voice 8: But I think there's, outside of going deep into the housing piece, I think there's probably joint actions and advocacy that we could do together.

[1:18:48] Voice 8: and I think that there's ways to maintain collaboration and specifically I think work

[1:18:59] Voice 8: and of course it's difficult without trustee Scott here but hopefully we'll you know another

[1:19:07] Voice 8: chance to to have this kind of a conversation with trustee Scott involved but I think the the

[1:19:13] Voice 8: The work on the heritage conservation area piece is something that what I'm hearing around the table is a piece that both LTCs are interested in further investigating.

[1:19:28] Voice 8: So I see that as a pretty clear area for some joint work together.

[1:19:34] Voice 8: But I'm going to go over to David here.

[1:19:40] Voice 7: Thank you.

[1:19:41] Voice 7: Thank you, Tim.

[1:19:43] Voice 7: Just a couple of things, a couple of quick things.

[1:19:45] Voice 7: I just thought one more thing we share, Alex, is the fact that we're siting in use permit islands and we're not building permit islands.

[1:19:52] Voice 7: So, you know, we have a lot of islands that envy our simplicity as far as building.

[1:19:58] Voice 7: So, you know, we have that together.

[1:20:00] Voice 7: The question I had for OCPs is, is there always a historical preamble required?

[1:20:08] Voice 7: You know, I don't know.

[1:20:10] Voice 7: You guys know all about how OCPs are written.

[1:20:13] Voice 7: uh we we could avoid the whole thing and just dive right into uh policies and

[1:20:20] Voice 7: guidelines if we didn't have to have you know if that's gonna hang us up

[1:20:27] Voice 7: um somebody could write a book yeah

[1:20:28] Planner Chadwick: i mean i could answer that um and in the context of the

[1:20:32] Planner Chadwick: what you have what you have in the denman uh ocp is very unusual to have that kind of depth

[1:20:41] Planner Chadwick: um it's not necessary at all um i do think that um from a reconciliation perspective it is um

[1:20:49] Planner Chadwick: it should it is it is the right thing to do to have uh an acknowledgement of of of that

[1:20:57] Planner Chadwick: history and and i think um it you know it's useful to have a sense of things i i've actually dug into

[1:21:05] Planner Chadwick: to the denman and i've you know i've i've changed things and i and i respecting what's already there

[1:21:12] Planner Chadwick: i noticed that it's already um in the archives online they've actually taken that out and they've

[1:21:17] Planner Chadwick: you can access it and i think it's a great account whoever wrote it um but it is old and and you

[1:21:23] Planner Chadwick: know generally um you know heading doing the the gabriola ocp um is is not going to have

[1:21:30] Planner Chadwick: an elaborate background although it will have a sense of a timeline which i think is is is useful

[1:21:38] Planner Chadwick: because it sets the ocp in time um yeah so yeah it's not necessary to have a a long preamble to

[1:21:50] Planner Chadwick: an ocp in fact it's better not to from my you know from that would be my perspective um it's not

[1:21:57] Voice 3: It's not

[1:21:57] Voice 3: required content legislation, but the nation's present use and future uses also need

[1:22:05] Voice 3: to be enshrined. It's not just a historic reflection on past uses. It needs to reflect

[1:22:09] Voice 3: the fact that the nation's members are returning to these islands and have a vested interest in

[1:22:16] Voice 3: a return to the islands to continue their cultural practices and traditions.

[1:22:22] Voice 7: questions. Good. Just a quick follow-up then. So thank you for that. And so I know I'm not married

[1:22:28] Voice 7: to having the full geologic time frame of how Dem and Rose from the sea and the dinosaurs were

[1:22:35] Voice 7: extinct and then along came blah, blah, blah. So let's make it really succinct. Let's put a really

[1:22:40] Voice 7: nice First Nations acknowledgement in there and then move into the meat of the OCP. That works

[1:22:47] Voice 7: works for me and and i think that's i don't think that would be controversial the people that wrote

[1:22:52] Voice 7: that uh preamble way back when that they're most of them aren't even around anymore so you know i

[1:22:57] Voice 7: don't think we have a big problem there yeah

[1:22:59] Planner Chadwick: like i said there's a nice link to it in the archives so

[1:23:02] Planner Chadwick: that makes it easy it's not going to get lost yeah

[1:23:07] Voice 8: and and i mean the language i'm seeing in

[1:23:09] Voice 8: in the agenda package here is updating the ocp and lub um uh with appropriate land acknowledgement

[1:23:17] Voice 8: acknowledgement uh and and so i think that's you know doesn't does not necessarily mean

[1:23:24] Voice 8: geologic time frame um but just that i think that it's in a recognition that it's certainly

[1:23:30] Voice 8: in some of the older documents there is none um so i think appropriate is something that we could

[1:23:36] Voice 8: certainly be running by um uh comox before deciding you know what we think it ought to be

[1:23:44] Voice 8: um but i'm gonna

[1:23:46] Voice 4: go over to sam yeah i mean i was just sort of gonna get down to like a little bit

[1:23:51] Voice 4: of um like brass tacks on on that thing i know obviously this is a this is technically a hornby

[1:23:58] Voice 4: ltc meeting so david and i can't make any the davids and i cannot make any motions today um

[1:24:04] Voice 4: but uh you know i my my i think we're all broadly in favor of like an appropriate and updated land

[1:24:12] Voice 4: acknowledgement um certainly my my question like or my my direction to staff when when it becomes

[1:24:22] Voice 4: appropriate for us to do that it's like yeah we would love to see that language we would love

[1:24:25] Voice 4: for you guys to start working on developing that and and to talk with the comox to do it um whether

[1:24:31] Voice 4: hornby wants to make a motion to that effect they can they can do that thing but i'd certainly

[1:24:35] Voice 4: that's something that i think we can do that by

[1:24:38] Voice 4: uh rwm if we need to um and i think that's that's

[1:24:45] Voice 4: good um the other part and this is what i remembered from before um and again i know

[1:24:51] Voice 4: we've moved on from the housing thing and i'm not really interested in sort of pulling that

[1:24:54] Voice 4: back up i think we all know where where we got with that um and narissa may snort at me here

[1:25:01] Voice 4: but um i mean i know that the suitable land analysis language is sort of creeping in there

[1:25:07] Voice 4: in terms of the in relation to the 200 meter uh um boundary nurissa knows how i feel about

[1:25:15] Voice 4: the suitable land analysis oh yeah

[1:25:16] Planner Chadwick: sorry i'm not i'm not

[1:25:17] Planner Chadwick: i'm

[1:25:18] Voice 4: not referring to suitable land

[1:25:19] Planner Chadwick: analysis i'm just i'm referring to suitable land but maybe i should take the word suitable out of

[1:25:24] Voice 4: whatever okay

[1:25:25] Planner Chadwick: it's it's it

[1:25:27] Voice 4: was a reference i'm like no no no no uh anyways um the you know i

[1:25:34] Voice 4: think and and just to sort of like again so i think tim sort of did this but like my impression

[1:25:40] Voice 4: is that we are uh you know everybody here seems to be in favor of uh of the hca is that it i got

[1:25:49] Voice 4: the acronym right yes

[1:25:51] Voice 3: heritage conservation area hell

[1:25:54] Voice 4: yeah um i think sounds like we're all uh like

[1:25:57] Voice 4: broadly interested in in in developing an hca and my like what i've heard from the three of us who

[1:26:04] Voice 4: are here uh local guys are is we maybe think it doesn't go far enough so you know i think i think

[1:26:13] Voice 4: if that i would be nice to what you guys mentioned earlier staff mentioned earlier that um that

[1:26:19] Voice 4: wasn't something that had necessarily been explicitly discussed with with the nation um

[1:26:23] Voice 4: getting their 10 cents it may be from their perspective that it is more useful to just

[1:26:28] Voice 4: keep it within the 200 meters not least from an administrative burden perspective for their from

[1:26:33] Voice 4: their part because i would hope that they would be involved in that um i would i would hope that

[1:26:39] Voice 4: the hca would still have uh the first nation you know involved to whatever capacity they're able

[1:26:46] Voice 4: able to be, you know, with respect to all that, but, but that is a place where we can

[1:26:50] Voice 4: do what, what, uh, um, uh, what Alex was talking about in terms of like the Island's Trust

[1:26:56] Voice 4: being a leader on some of this stuff.

[1:26:58] Voice 4: And we're moving towards some co-governance stuff.

[1:27:00] Voice 4: And that is like, well, how are we going to manage these things?

[1:27:02] Voice 4: Well, that's, that's co-governance that's, that's doing it together.

[1:27:06] Voice 4: So, um, you know, my broad takeaway is that like, we're, we're, we're in favor of that.

[1:27:12] Voice 4: That we'd like to explore, whether it's useful for us to go further or not.

[1:27:19] Voice 4: And, you know, and yeah, my sort of slightly tongue-in-cheek takeaway with the housing

[1:27:26] Voice 4: stuff was just, you know, we're going to go ahead with our stuff because we've put a lot

[1:27:31] Voice 4: of work into it.

[1:27:32] Voice 4: And as far as I think I'm concerned, Hornby is welcome to borrow our homework as and when

[1:27:38] Voice 4: they get to asking those questions for themselves.

[1:27:41] Voice 4: ourselves uh they can totally they can totally copy our essay uh if they want to whatever bits

[1:27:47] Voice 4: they want to yeah that's it

[1:27:51] Voice 5: alex and you can copy our bits to sam um our fleshy bits okay let's see

[1:28:01] Voice 5: um yeah i keep i've been bringing up the place names and signage with calls for nation on and

[1:28:07] Voice 5: on forever and ever and then it gets lost in something and then we get some big project and

[1:28:10] Voice 5: and I forget about it, and then it comes back again.

[1:28:14] Voice 5: So I'd really like to have this somehow on discussion

[1:28:17] Voice 5: with Comics First Nations on place names and signage

[1:28:20] Voice 5: because I really feel the biggest problem is education.

[1:28:26] Voice 5: I mean, we get people coming to our island

[1:28:28] Voice 5: that they think they're by a small rural residential lot,

[1:28:32] Voice 5: and they think trees are dangerous, for Christ's sakes.

[1:28:34] Voice 5: Like, why don't you go find a nice asphalt plot somewhere?

[1:28:38] Voice 5: where um and so and it's and it's their private properties you know they can do what they want

[1:28:44] Voice 5: but they're basically clear-cutting their property most some a lot of these people

[1:28:48] Voice 5: so it's it's education and we have no control over a lot of that and especially the trees being

[1:28:52] Voice 5: cut down if they consider them dangerous like some people consider every single tree dangerous on

[1:28:57] Voice 5: two acres uh so my my point is it doesn't matter how much you know i i find with a lot of our new

[1:29:07] Voice 5: people building it's they ask for forgiveness versus permission all the time or they get really

[1:29:13] Voice 5: upset and i get builders coming to me and complaining because why did you put the place

[1:29:19] Voice 5: at home we have to wait for comics versus nations for it's already been six months it's like well

[1:29:23] Voice 5: it could be a year that's the way it is and um and that's addressing their capacity and they're

[1:29:28] Voice 5: really busy on top of that so we've tried to extend longer times grant nine terms of response

[1:29:33] Voice 5: response because no response does not mean approval so there's just all these other little

[1:29:38] Voice 5: sort of bits and pieces that i don't want to forget that are really important with our

[1:29:44] Voice 5: our relationship with common first nations and then i'll just conclude where i'm in total agreement

[1:29:50] Voice 5: with all of this you know i'd rather just pass it all and uh just see where we go from there and see

[1:29:56] Voice 5: how i mean i'm i'm

[1:29:59] Voice 5: It's

[1:30:00] Voice 5: It's obvious that Comus First Nations, are they cognizant of this whole, these three, A, B, and C?

[1:30:07] Voice 5: Discussed it, and then they have their thoughts, and we are going to have our thoughts, and then we're all going to get together in October.

[1:30:12] Voice 5: Is that how it's playing out?

[1:30:14] Voice 3: So the way this is working with staff is that this is the work that we've done to date.

[1:30:19] Voice 3: They have a final review of this engagement summary that they'd like to present to Narissa and I in terms of their final feedback.

[1:30:27] Voice 3: back and then we would present that back to the local trust committee so it doesn't really coincide

[1:30:31] Voice 3: with your meeting necessarily with chief and council um that will have that to you for final

[1:30:37] Voice 3: receipt of the engagement summary um and it's not going to be like a back and forth it's really the

[1:30:45] Voice 3: engagement summary of what staff to staff discussions have been endorsed by chief and

[1:30:50] Voice 3: council direction to both local trust committees for here's our recommendations for your projects

[1:30:56] Voice 3: projects implementation moving forward and then each project is going to have its own back and

[1:31:01] Voice 3: forth in terms of this is what we've heard this is what the LTC wants to implement how does this

[1:31:07] Voice 3: wording sound this is what we heard this is what this LTC wants to implement how does this sound

[1:31:11] Voice 3: so they understand that there will be more work coming out of this in terms of implementation

[1:31:16] Voice 3: I just wanted to note that to date we have not heard that signage and place naming is a top

[1:31:21] Voice 3: priority for the nation so although I appreciate that you might feel that that's really important

[1:31:25] Voice 3: important it hasn't come up as a burning priority for them they are very concerned about the

[1:31:34] Voice 3: destruction and alterations of their archaeological sites and cultural Heritage resources and on that

[1:31:43] Voice 5: note can I just follow up with on on B the last point address the foremost severely impacted and

[1:31:49] Voice 5: threatened archaeologically sites um how many are in dem and hormy and hormy are they in terms of

[1:32:01] Voice 3: numbers of how many like we can say less

[1:32:03] Voice 3: than half a dozen for each island so

[1:32:05] Voice 5: you said address the

[1:32:06] Voice 5: four most severely so what are those four yeah i know that the hatch is one um yeah

[1:32:12] Voice 3: i think that's

[1:32:12] Voice 3: a conversation we can have offline in terms of confirmation because i'm not sure that that

[1:32:17] Voice 3: but information is not necessarily publicly accessible.

[1:32:21] Voice 5: Yeah, and I will say it's just been horrendous,

[1:32:25] Voice 5: this whole thing that's been going on with the Thatch, the Ferry,

[1:32:29] Voice 5: Nickel Brothers, it's on and on and on, and I just don't get it,

[1:32:33] Voice 5: and I'm really embarrassed, and, yeah, I just don't get it.

[1:32:38] Voice 5: So, you know, and that's why I say education,

[1:32:40] Voice 5: or everybody's just stupid, I don't know.

[1:32:43] Voice 5: I said that, sorry I did.

[1:32:49] Voice 8: Do I

[1:32:50] Voice 5: pass a motion, or where

[1:32:52] Voice 8: are we at here?

[1:32:53] Voice 8: Well, I was going to say, we've got, there's some recommended consideration of some next steps.

[1:33:01] Voice 8: It sounds like, to me, Alex, us being the Hornby LTC at this moment, that, what page is it on?

[1:33:16] Voice 8: On that note, bottom of page, sorry, go ahead.

[1:33:22] Voice 5: No, sorry. I'm just concerned where Grant is going to hear any of this or have an opportunity to. I noticed that Sonia said there's going to be, you're going to come back with something to our LTCs before the October meeting or?

[1:33:35] Voice 5: or no

[1:33:37] Voice 3: that the co-ops first nation staff are going to help populate the final engagement

[1:33:45] Voice 3: summary for both genman and hornby and narissa and i'll present those back to the local trust

[1:33:50] Voice 3: committee as soon as it's available i don't know that it's going to coincide with your meeting in

[1:33:55] Voice 3: october with chief and council so you will be seeing a final draft this one that you have

[1:34:02] Voice 3: currently in your agenda package is a working draft that we're still working on, but it gives

[1:34:06] Voice 3: you a really good sense of the direction we're going. So there's no surprises about the breadth

[1:34:11] Voice 3: or scope of priorities to date. So there will be more detail provided to you. And then that's the

[1:34:19] Voice 3: point at which the local trust committee then can direct staff to proceed with next steps. And so

[1:34:25] Voice 3: for example, the language around the introductory acknowledgement language for each OCP should

[1:34:31] Voice 3: should likely be very similar and can likely be very similar.

[1:34:35] Voice 3: So Nerissa and I can work with the nation on that

[1:34:38] Voice 3: to see what they'd like to see reflected

[1:34:40] Voice 3: and through the lens of what we need to include

[1:34:42] Voice 3: in terms of required content.

[1:34:44] Voice 3: And we can present that to both LTCs whenever it's appropriate

[1:34:48] Voice 3: because you're each at different stages for your bylaw drafting.

[1:34:54] Voice 5: And then in terms of, was it Trustee Maude was mentioning

[1:34:59] Voice 5: about the priorities?

[1:35:00] Voice 5: So we don't have to prioritize.

[1:35:02] Voice 5: tries can we let what was first nation obviously they've driving this they could have their

[1:35:06] Voice 5: priorities and we just like okay good thanks

[1:35:09] Voice 6: so

[1:35:11] Voice 8: yeah as far as next steps uh going back to that

[1:35:15] Voice 8: um i'm just trying to think about the the timelines here um and and i guess in this

[1:35:29] Voice 8: case, Sonia, I think it's worth, without presuming too much of where Trustee Allen's thinking about

[1:35:41] Voice 8: going, but giving some staff direction to report back on options for advancing collaboration

[1:35:50] Voice 8: seems like something that we could probably do today. But I'm just wondering in terms of

[1:35:58] Voice 8: We have the October joint meeting with Comox.

[1:36:03] Voice 8: I don't know whether Denman meets again before that meeting.

[1:36:08] Voice 8: You don't? Okay.

[1:36:10] Voice 8: So we're not going to be able to come up with resolutions from both LTCs.

[1:36:18] Voice 8: So that's okay. That's fine.

[1:36:21] Voice 8: But we can certainly say we've had some thought and discussion about it.

[1:36:25] Voice 8: And I'm also going to presume that such a report would probably not hit the Hornby LTC meeting prior to that Comox meeting either.

[1:36:37] Voice 3: Your next meeting is September 5th. You have a full agenda that we're preparing for.

[1:36:42] Voice 3: So no, that wouldn't be the case.

[1:36:43] Voice 3: This is really a verbal opportunity to clarify, make sure you're comfortable with the engagement summary.

[1:36:50] Voice 3: So there's no surprises if it comes up at your meeting.

[1:36:54] Voice 3: we're not assuming that this is going to be a big topic of discussion because there are other

[1:36:59] Voice 3: agenda items but you're aware of what your staff are doing and you're aware of what their staff

[1:37:04] Voice 3: are doing which is working with us over the last year and a half on these issues

[1:37:11] Voice 8: yeah okay good well that's that clarity is helpful i'm just going to circle back to some

[1:37:19] Voice 8: of the earlier conversation and just share some of my reflections which was about the

[1:37:26] Voice 8: site specific versus island wide notion and i think that um you know whether it's site specific

[1:37:40] Voice 8: or or island wide i think that what's going to be really important is good messaging to

[1:37:47] Voice 8: the communities um what does this mean you know what what is this going to look like uh how is

[1:37:56] Voice 8: is this going to affect me and in some ways i definitely um i'm neither a resident of hornby

[1:38:04] Voice 8: nor or nor demon in in some ways i think there's a there's a lot to be said about the island wide

[1:38:09] Voice 8: approach um uh it doesn't uh it can't be seen as singling out um the folks along the coast uh and

[1:38:20] Voice 8: and, and not treating everybody the same. Um, but, uh,

[1:38:25] Voice 8: so there's that public perspective, uh, piece of it, but I also,

[1:38:29] Voice 8: I think it, it does a better job of capturing, um,

[1:38:33] Voice 8: the concerns and, and when it's Island wide and,

[1:38:38] Voice 8: and it, and it really,

[1:38:39] Voice 8: I think speaks more broadly to the whole preserve and protect, uh,

[1:38:43] Voice 8: mandate. So that's just my thoughts on that. Um,

[1:38:47] Voice 8: Um, so, um, so specifically, Alex, are you comfortable, um, with, uh, advancing a motion

[1:39:01] Voice 8: to direct staff to report on options for advancing collaboration as per the next steps on page

[1:39:08] Voice 8: three of the agenda?

[1:39:10] Voice 5: Yes, I am.

[1:39:11] Voice 5: Um, so you're just talking about the second step we're doing, not future meeting coordination

[1:39:20] Voice 5: to discuss here?

[1:39:21] Voice 8: Well, I think if we direct staff to prepare the report, then the future meeting coordination would necessarily come out or factor into that report would be my way I would look at it.

[1:39:35] Voice 8: I don't think it would be necessary today for us to do more than a signal that we're willing and wanting to do more collaboration.

[1:39:45] Voice 8: and we could rely on that staff report to sort of um maybe suggest some options in there of course

[1:39:52] Voice 8: we all know scheduling within islands trust is um challenging so uh so so any future joint meetings

[1:40:01] Voice 8: is is going to be a bit of a trick to pull off anyway and we'll obviously have to heavily rely

[1:40:06] Voice 8: on staff to to help us set that up but i was looking at the um uh i was just thinking if you

[1:40:14] Voice 8: you made the the second bullet direct staff piece into a motion um uh then we could come out from

[1:40:22] Voice 8: the hornby end of this meeting we could come out with uh some action to uh to get things rolling

[1:40:28] Voice 8: from our end okay

[1:40:31] Voice 5: let me try um i moved to the hornby island trust committee direct staff to

[1:40:37] Voice 5: to prepare a report on possible options for advancing collaboration with the Denman LTC

[1:40:51] Voice 5: and Comox First Nation on the following topics, working group, timelines, project charter

[1:40:59] Voice 5: amendments, and budget requests.

[1:41:03] Voice 5: Full stop.

[1:41:04] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:41:05] Voice 5: How

[1:41:05] Voice 8: does that sound from the staff perspective?

[1:41:07] Voice 8: Is that enough direction to get you going?

[1:41:12] Voice 3: Yes, I don't know that the nation would be involved in budget requests, project charter necessarily. This piece of the engagement summary with them should answer a lot of your questions about what their priorities are and how you turn those into projects as a discussion between the local trust committees.

[1:41:30] Voice 3: So it's more a collaboration with the two local trust committees versus Comox First Nation.

[1:41:35] Voice 3: nation yeah

[1:41:37] Voice 5: i just put that in there okay this is the project it's all three of us not just

[1:41:42] Voice 5: that's all i put it so but it's

[1:41:44] Voice 8: not necessarily problematic to have comox in there because you

[1:41:49] Voice 8: will just make

[1:41:50] Voice 8: it so where it's appropriate for

[1:41:52] Voice 3: sure i can do that thanks okay

[1:41:54] Voice 8: and and i'll just

[1:41:55] Voice 8: check to see that our recorder has got that um language hello

[1:42:00] Voice 6: yes i did get that that the okay

[1:42:05] Voice 5: Yeah, Kathy.

[1:42:07] Voice 6: Hi.

[1:42:08] Voice 6: Hi, Kathy.

[1:42:09] Voice 6: Hi.

[1:42:10] Voice 5: Sorry.

[1:42:11] Voice 6: Nice to see you all again.

[1:42:13] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:42:13] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:42:16] Voice 8: Okay, so I'll take that as moved by Trustee Allen, and I'll second it.

[1:42:23] Voice 8: And I'll see if there's any further discussion.

[1:42:29] Voice 8: And I'm not seeing any, so I'll go ahead and call the question on the motion.

[1:42:33] Voice 8: All in favor?

[1:42:37] Voice 5: Trustee Graham could be out of the room.

[1:42:39] Voice 5: here

[1:42:42] Voice 8: well uh i'm

[1:42:44] Voice 7: not gonna vote graham

[1:42:46] Voice 8: doesn't get to vote it's just you and i at this moment

[1:42:49] Voice 8: um because of the format uh so uh that that motion is carried so we have done um a little bit of of

[1:42:59] Voice 8: our work um oh and i see uh planner supernet cast to go um thank you for being here today

[1:43:08] Voice 8: okay thanks and um so i'll just now that we've done some work to um direct staff uh i'll just

[1:43:18] Voice 8: go back into um discussion anybody sam

[1:43:25] Voice 4: yeah i just had a question for narissa um in terms of

[1:43:31] Voice 4: so we're talking about the hca when and obviously it has sounds like it has uh the potential to be

[1:43:37] Voice 4: very beneficial just from a preserve and protect element you know more broad much more broadly

[1:43:42] Voice 4: loudly um is it possible under that tool to stratify somewhat in terms of like

[1:43:52] Voice 4: say for example if the nation comes back and says yeah you know we really only care about this 200

[1:43:59] Voice 4: meter buffer plus some specific you know whatever that they may choose you know that there we're

[1:44:05] Voice 4: only interested in these bits we don't necessarily want to get into um because you know we're talking

[1:44:11] Voice 4: about like um prescriptive guidelines for low impact development and foundations and all that

[1:44:16] Voice 4: sort of stuff it may be that they're like yeah we actually don't we're not we're not fussed about

[1:44:20] Voice 4: that outside of that 200 meter boundary but we as an ltc are still like well hca still seems pretty

[1:44:26] Voice 4: useful in other ways you know for tree cutting for you know any number of other bits and pieces

[1:44:32] Voice 4: places. Is it possible for us to sort of stratify that? Is it easy to do that? Or do we need to do

[1:44:41] Voice 4: some bespoke language in the LUB to basically say, okay, well, we're going to do that sort of low

[1:44:49] Voice 4: impact application within 200 meters of the sea as requested, but also we're still going to use

[1:44:57] Voice 4: an HCA on the rest of the island, but it's not going to have the same strictures. How complicated

[1:45:02] Voice 4: would that be to sort of include and um you know i mean that might be something that's still where

[1:45:07] Voice 4: where the both islands agree like yeah no we'd like to see we'd like to apply it across the

[1:45:12] Voice 4: whole thing but we don't if if the nation maybe is unwilling or unable to manage the volume um

[1:45:20] Voice 4: is it is it you know what's it what yeah yeah i think you know what i'm asking yeah

[1:45:24] Planner Chadwick: i think i

[1:45:25] Planner Chadwick: think it's a really good question um because i had the comment so i'm also working with um

[1:45:28] Planner Chadwick: um, with the, uh, uh, nation for Gabriela and, um, and the, the administrative, um,

[1:45:38] Planner Chadwick: challenge is something that they're very aware of in terms of considering it in the entire island.

[1:45:44] Planner Chadwick: Um, and I, so I think there would be opportunity again. Um, you know, this is, uh, I think there,

[1:45:51] Planner Chadwick: I'm just speculating here. I I'd need to, to make sure that I'm,

[1:45:56] Voice 6: I'm correct in

[1:45:56] Planner Chadwick: this, but, um,

[1:45:57] Planner Chadwick: But I would imagine, I think that it would be possible to have a sort of heritage conservation area, one, heritage conservation area, two, circumstance.

[1:46:09] Planner Chadwick: In fact, it should be entirely possible to do that, just like development permit areas, right?

[1:46:16] Planner Chadwick: We have different development permit areas.

[1:46:18] Planner Chadwick: So, for example, you might have a heritage protection area for the school, you know, the old school or what have you, right?

[1:46:25] Planner Chadwick: So that would be different to this boundary, but it may also be that you want to have a heritage protection area specifically for the protection of things that are more related to conservation.

[1:46:37] Planner Chadwick: And I think the key there, and again, because this is new, it would be what we would have to discuss with all of the development of this.

[1:46:47] Planner Chadwick: As Sonia pointed out, we have very keen provincial staff helping us here.

[1:46:51] Planner Chadwick: um and so we would need to discuss with them the extent to which um we can define something as

[1:46:58] Planner Chadwick: heritage i think from a indigenous perspective so um and and what that would mean in terms of the

[1:47:05] Planner Chadwick: um the guidelines um those are conversations yet to be had but um but i but uh but having

[1:47:13] Planner Chadwick: like the ability to do kind of like a you know hca1 hca2 h i'm you know that would that would

[1:47:19] Voice 4: yeah yeah i mean i'd

[1:47:20] Voice 4: be yeah i'd be keen not to like try and go too far down the rabbit hole of

[1:47:24] Voice 4: trying to create ones for like every different area because we can get

[1:47:28] Voice 4: very complicated and

[1:47:29] Voice 4: then you might as well just be zoning right um which you are to some degree um i'd i'd sort of

[1:47:36] Voice 4: be my inclination would be to to make it a bit of an egg yolk and you've got your 200 meters

[1:47:41] Voice 4: around the outside that might be hca1 and then have you know have the trustees and staff sort

[1:47:47] Voice 4: sort of cook up what do we think are appropriate ones within that maybe don't uh and this is really

[1:47:52] Voice 4: only if it makes it administratively easier and if there's reluctance on behalf of the nation to

[1:47:58] Voice 4: take on that extra level of uh oversight um and it's you know i think if if they're willing to

[1:48:05] Voice 4: be involved and they're interested in being involved broad spectrum that's something that

[1:48:10] Voice 4: that I'm supportive of. However, if that's going to be an undue burden, I still think there's value

[1:48:17] Voice 4: as, as trustee Graham was talking about before, in terms of like the HCA sounds like it has a lot

[1:48:21] Voice 4: of potential to be really, you know, a really effective and useful tool. It's still worth

[1:48:26] Voice 4: applying to the inner part of that, uh, of the islands, you know, broad.

[1:48:32] Planner Chadwick: Yeah. I think the thing

[1:48:33] Planner Chadwick: to sort of keep in mind is the, so the HCA becomes a very powerful tool for us in terms of, um,

[1:48:39] Planner Chadwick: protection of indigenous cultural interests because a dpa cannot be used for that totally

[1:48:45] Voice 4: the

[1:48:45] Planner Chadwick: legislation doesn't allow a dpa to be used for that so i think um that would also be a

[1:48:50] Planner Chadwick: consideration is where would it be appropriate for the hca to be used and where would it be

[1:48:54] Planner Chadwick: appropriate for a dpa to be used if you're thinking specifically in terms of um you know

[1:49:00] Planner Chadwick: conservation type um interests

[1:49:03] Voice 4: it it's it's that it it's that it has this versatility i think is

[1:49:09] Voice 4: the appeal um

[1:49:09] Voice 4: that's that's and that's certainly like what i was gleaning from what uh david and

[1:49:14] Voice 4: and sonia were talking about so yeah anyways that's that was my question i

[1:49:23] Voice 8: see david graham

[1:49:26] Voice 7: yes um thanks sam for uh continuing that conversation and and also uh just remembering um

[1:49:33] Voice 7: Sonia's report on the HCA and how Comox might feel that that is it that if we

[1:49:44] Voice 7: had that 200 meter HCA designation they wouldn't be burdened by trying to

[1:49:51] Voice 7: administer their chip program they would feel that the provincial one is is

[1:49:56] Voice 7: excellent and that would reduce their burden absolutely with administrative

[1:50:00] Voice 7: administrative burden. And because landscapes are something that can be considered cultural or

[1:50:08] Voice 7: heritage, or one of those two words, and the landscapes on Denman are quite unique and need

[1:50:13] Voice 7: to be protected. So I think there's some value there. I think we need to flesh that out for sure.

[1:50:17] Voice 7: And absolutely, we need to have the agricultural land commissioners tell us how that fits into the

[1:50:24] Voice 7: whole

[1:50:24] Planner Chadwick: because

[1:50:26] Voice 7: that's just yeah yeah

[1:50:28] Planner Chadwick: and i think what's important to just add is that um it you

[1:50:33] Planner Chadwick: know if you move towards pursuing the idea of an hca with the comox that will that will be a

[1:50:37] Planner Chadwick: separate project sort of unto itself so it uh you know there there we are um we are considering the

[1:50:46] Planner Chadwick: the comox interests with respect to the housing work but um in a this is something that would be

[1:50:52] Planner Chadwick: in addition to that work.

[1:50:55] Planner Chadwick: And that would be a project that potentially

[1:50:58] Planner Chadwick: the two LTCs would move forward together with.

[1:51:02] Voice 7: Right. Thank you for that.

[1:51:04] Voice 7: Quite likely that's going to spill over

[1:51:05] Voice 7: to the next iteration of both committees.

[1:51:08] Voice 7: Of

[1:51:08] Voice 1: LTCs, yeah.

[1:51:09] Voice 7: Yeah, for sure.

[1:51:10] Voice 7: Which is, you know, that's great.

[1:51:12] Voice 7: Because that's a really big conversation

[1:51:14] Voice 7: to have with our communities.

[1:51:16] Voice 8: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

[1:51:18] Voice 8: So back to the agricultural land commission there piece, it sounds like there's been and perhaps will be more sort of engagement on the staff level around that and how that would interact with an HCA.

[1:51:45] Voice 8: And is that something that staff is just going to go ahead and do that investigative work?

[1:51:50] Voice 8: um and doesn't require either ltc to direct you like that's just you're you're going to

[1:51:57] Voice 8: investigate that anyway yeah

[1:52:00] Planner Chadwick: yeah i mean trying to um like understand the extent of this tool

[1:52:05] Planner Chadwick: um is is something that we are currently um exploring with with the uh the provincial staff

[1:52:13] Planner Chadwick: okay

[1:52:15] Voice 8: great because yeah that sound it sounds like kind of maybe i don't know if it's the biggest but

[1:52:22] Voice 8: certainly a big um bit of a question mark that i think would be helpful for for us to all get

[1:52:29] Voice 8: some clarity on

[1:52:29] Voice 6: i

[1:52:31] Voice 8: think i just want some other notes but i i can't believe i misplaced my notes

[1:52:40] Voice 8: sitting at my own desk it happens um no i think that's all good um

[1:52:53] Voice 7: david yeah i just wanted to

[1:52:58] Voice 7: remind ourselves that uh you know we will get to first reading at some point with our housing

[1:53:03] Voice 7: review and i'm soon i think yeah for sure and the hornby um local trust committee is a referral so

[1:53:10] Voice 7: you'll you'll be actually seeing all the wonderful things that we're going to lay on our community

[1:53:13] Voice 7: and you might go, ooh, that's an interesting idea, or you might not.

[1:53:17] Voice 7: So you'll have that opportunity to let us know through your referral

[1:53:21] Voice 7: as to what you think.

[1:53:24] Voice 8: Yeah, certainly.

[1:53:25] Voice 8: And as I was saying earlier, I mean, at this point,

[1:53:32] Voice 8: the Hornby LTC's priorities have been around the short-term vacation rental work,

[1:53:41] Voice 8: which we're not finished with.

[1:53:43] Voice 8: But then the other big piece was, you know, working with Comox.

[1:53:46] Voice 8: So I think necessarily for Hornby getting in depth in the housing piece would it's unlikely to really happen before the end of term or it's certainly it's definitely not going to be concluded before the end of term.

[1:54:04] Voice 8: We might we might be able to start on it.

[1:54:07] Voice 8: But I think there'd be certainly an opportunity to sort of springboard that into the next term, perhaps through that referral and Hornby LTC could get the APC to have a look at what Denman's doing and see which of those bits make sense for Hornby and all that sort of thing.

[1:54:36] Voice 8: But I think because of where we're both at and how much runway we have left in the term, you know, Hornby's not going to complete a housing piece, I don't think, before the end of term.

[1:54:52] Voice 8: But I certainly wish Denman well on the project.

[1:54:55] Voice 8: I know that's been a high priority for you guys.

[1:54:58] Voice 8: and and i know that um you know this the we haven't quite resolved what exactly we're going

[1:55:07] Voice 8: to do completely around the short-term vacation rentals on hornby but um that's that's where we

[1:55:13] Voice 8: put a lot of energy and i think i think it would make sense um to to be looking at the housing

[1:55:21] Voice 8: piece as as potentially uh you know the next big project for hornby after after the short-term

[1:55:28] Voice 8: vacation rental piece gets decided one way or the other but um yeah certainly we're not there yet

[1:55:34] Voice 8: go ahead sam yeah

[1:55:36] Voice 4: well just sort of thinking a little bit about that and and and a little bit

[1:55:40] Voice 4: about what alex was talking about earlier um the you know there is a lot of value and we are a lot

[1:55:47] Voice 4: in in you know our two islands communicating and i would also extend that to liskiti because

[1:55:52] Voice 4: although liskiti is kind of out on its own a little bit it has more uh you know probably it's

[1:55:57] Voice 4: it's more up our way than the rest of the rest

[1:56:01] Voice 4: of the trust um and you know i think there is value

[1:56:05] Voice 4: and obviously we're getting towards the end of this term but i've i've wondered a little bit

[1:56:08] Voice 4: over the last year if there's some value in like even you know you use and possibly using the

[1:56:15] Voice 4: committee of the whole format to like do all which has been a mixed bag depending on which

[1:56:22] Voice 4: which subjects we're on, but, um, uh, you know, having sort of conclaves of regional,

[1:56:29] Voice 4: regional areas, uh, in a way to just sort of touch base and even just as an update,

[1:56:34] Voice 4: um, you know, to like touch base and be like, Hey, this is what's happening up here. Do we

[1:56:37] Voice 4: need to talk about this? Hey, what's the thing that's going on? What's the problem that you're

[1:56:40] Voice 4: having? Maybe we can share notes. Um, you know, I, I certainly am keen to keen to see more

[1:56:48] Voice 4: collaboration um and yeah as i say we're getting towards the end of this term so maybe it maybe

[1:56:53] Voice 4: it's an idea for next next terms trustees but uh yeah it's always yeah

[1:56:59] Voice 8: no and i think i i appreciate

[1:57:03] Voice 8: that and i think that um the work that these two ltcs are doing now kind of speaks to what the um

[1:57:12] Voice 8: some potential work that the regional planning team could be doing in the

[1:57:19] Voice 8: future and to really sort of realize some of the,

[1:57:25] Voice 8: some of the potential value there of,

[1:57:27] Voice 8: of that work more broadly across the trust area.

[1:57:33] Voice 8: You know, the idea,

[1:57:34] Voice 8: I remember I was on the regional planning committee has back,

[1:57:40] Voice 8: back in the day when uh when we really tried to shift the way we were doing business and and and

[1:57:48] Voice 8: to implement the regional planning team and and uh i actually because i'm not sitting on the

[1:57:55] Voice 8: on on the committee there i'm not quite as up on um uh the work of the committee and and the team

[1:58:03] Voice 8: as i might otherwise have been but i think this to me this is a good example of of where

[1:58:08] Voice 8: that that team approach can could offer some value broadly across the area um and uh yeah i'm gonna

[1:58:21] Voice 8: go to narissa and then i'll come uh over back to you uh david and alex yeah

[1:58:27] Planner Chadwick: i was just gonna say

[1:58:28] Planner Chadwick: that the regional planning team model has really um facilitated the ability to um have much more

[1:58:34] Planner Chadwick: more consistency across the trust.

[1:58:37] Planner Chadwick: And we're really beginning to see that.

[1:58:40] Planner Chadwick: For example, we do, we have, you know, the South and the North,

[1:58:44] Planner Chadwick: and I, because I've been able to kind of cross South and North,

[1:58:47] Planner Chadwick: I get a sense of kind of how the different areas work.

[1:58:49] Planner Chadwick: So South and North, we've got the housing project

[1:58:53] Planner Chadwick: that's moving forward on Main and for North Pender,

[1:58:58] Planner Chadwick: it's going to be pretty much cut, you know,

[1:59:00] Planner Chadwick: there's the potential for it to be cut and paste on a lot of the policy.

[1:59:03] Planner Chadwick: So I would imagine, you know, where there are similarities in experience on the islands, and the experiences are different, South and North and individual islands, with the team approach, there's an opportunity for this type of sharing.

[1:59:23] Planner Chadwick: um and uh and and as we move along we are sort of tracking those um new bylaws that could

[1:59:33] Planner Chadwick: ultimately uh so they're sort of like there's a lot of thinking that goes into the development of

[1:59:37] Planner Chadwick: each each policy and and each regulation and so um if we'll be able to take more advantage of

[1:59:45] Planner Chadwick: of of that um and have you know eventually we'll be able to get to a place where we'll have kind

[1:59:52] Planner Chadwick: kind of a list of policies related to all kinds of things

[1:59:54] Planner Chadwick: that have been really well thought through

[1:59:57] Planner Chadwick: in the context of these projects.

[2:00:00] Planner Chadwick: that the regional team are planning team are involved in so there's the opportunity um like

[2:00:05] Planner Chadwick: both the um collaboration and connection between specific islands but also um trust trust wide

[2:00:13] Planner Chadwick: consistency yeah

[2:00:16] Voice 8: and then and then a certain amount of efficiency so that each ltc isn't

[2:00:21] Voice 8: reinventing the wheel like completely from scratch every time go ahead david thank

[2:00:28] Voice 7: you thank you

[2:00:28] Voice 7: um i wanted to uh this is great you know a bunch of trustees getting to talk about stuff um and i

[2:00:36] Voice 7: want to i alex said he was he was jealous of the southern gulf islands because they're they're so

[2:00:43] Voice 7: different you know and they they do things their own way and we're as uh sam said yeah we've got

[2:00:50] Voice 7: liskiti hornby and and denman um what a great idea for the next iteration of trust council to look at

[2:00:57] Voice 7: at your quarterly meetings and build in some regional conversation time um i won't be there

[2:01:05] Voice 7: but many of you might be and so you might want to just bring that up at your uh when you start

[2:01:10] Voice 7: reformatting that trust council because you have to do that every time you know make make it more

[2:01:14] Voice 7: interesting for everybody and those regional conversations might be really beneficial that's

[2:01:18] Voice 7: all i wanted to say well

[2:01:19] Voice 8: and you know the other thing that happens in the in the in the southern

[2:01:22] Voice 8: islands is um uh through the through the uh trust programs committee um trust council funds the

[2:01:33] Voice 8: southern gulf islands forum which includes not only trustees but the uh the member of parliament

[2:01:43] Voice 8: the member of the the mla and uh and regional district reps and first nations so

[2:01:50] Voice 8: So I think, David, you're on to something.

[2:01:55] Voice 8: I think there's opportunity for there to be a northern forum that can serve as the same kind of a similar function of trustees, our MPs, our MLAs.

[2:02:11] Voice 8: It might be a little bit more complicated here because we have more, more of those reps, more regional districts and stuff.

[2:02:19] Voice 8: but it doesn't mean it can't be done and it doesn't mean it's worth uh not worth pursuing

[2:02:24] Voice 8: go ahead alex yeah

[2:02:26] Voice 5: i agree with all of what you said i just want to follow up with sam said that

[2:02:30] Voice 5: yeah i mean i don't think we necessarily we can do um without staff we could just do you know

[2:02:36] Voice 5: just get together damon and warby um we uh as

[2:02:43] Voice 8: long as we keep under quorum yeah yeah in a forum

[2:02:48] Voice 8: and it's not anybody's LTC.

[2:02:50] Voice 5: But it's

[2:02:50] Voice 5: sort of fun stuff.

[2:02:52] Voice 5: You know, they have a little ferry

[2:02:53] Voice 5: that goes from island to island down there

[2:02:55] Voice 5: that, you know, and they have little,

[2:02:58] Voice 5: I don't know, it's just completely different.

[2:02:59] Voice 5: But we're a big bang explosion up here

[2:03:02] Voice 5: because really, if anything,

[2:03:04] Voice 5: you know, Liskiti, Demmen, Hornby,

[2:03:06] Voice 5: that's it, frankly.

[2:03:07] Voice 5: And so, but I guess I'll talk to Demmen privately.

[2:03:11] Voice 5: But, you know, I'm surprised you guys

[2:03:13] Voice 5: haven't seen much about the traffic,

[2:03:14] Voice 5: the ferry, vacation rentals, nothing.

[2:03:17] Voice 5: Come on.

[2:03:18] Voice 5: because i'm going to peep and i think

[2:03:21] Voice 7: i'm going to say i wasn't going to use any of those words

[2:03:23] Voice 7: today that i didn't want to have a ferries or traffic or any of that you know

[2:03:26] Voice 5: what i am i'm

[2:03:27] Voice 5: a closet demonite anybody i don't like to i don't like the highway we

[2:03:33] Voice 7: could we could issue a pass

[2:03:34] Voice 8: well thank

[2:03:35] Voice 5: you and we and we

[2:03:36] Voice 8: do we do have our joint meeting with the

[2:03:38] Voice 8: with the comox uh rd

[2:03:41] Voice 8: coming up uh where i'm sure some of those words will be mentioned and then maybe

[2:03:47] Voice 8: we'll get our

[2:03:47] Voice 5: area director involved too right

[2:03:49] Voice 8: um Nerissa I thought I saw a hand yeah

[2:03:53] Planner Chadwick: I'm just trying to

[2:03:53] Planner Chadwick: keep us on task um I think we

[2:03:56] Planner Chadwick: should stay to the keep to the focus of the meeting um um uh and just

[2:04:03] Planner Chadwick: just wondering if there is anything more that you would like to discuss with respect to uh the

[2:04:10] Planner Chadwick: the comox meeting and um if there's anything else that you'd like from staff to help support you

[2:04:17] Planner Chadwick: um in that meeting in october yeah

[2:04:23] Voice 8: oh yeah thanks and thanks for getting us back on track

[2:04:26] Voice 8: i won't be a little permissive here but uh so trustees around um around uh either what we've

[2:04:38] Voice 8: been considering today or around that meeting with comox um if there's anything that we need

[2:04:45] Voice 8: from staff the uh um alex and i as hornby could um produce resolutions if that's required but uh

[2:04:57] Voice 8: just to reflect on yeah what are we anything more on what we've heard today or anything that we

[2:05:03] Voice 8: We want from staff, especially with knowing that Denman, you know, have a meeting before

[2:05:09] Voice 8: that meeting with KFN and over to you, David.

[2:05:14] Voice 7: Thanks, Tim.

[2:05:17] Voice 7: It's always problematic.

[2:05:18] Voice 7: What should we bring as an appropriate gift?

[2:05:21] Voice 7: So if staff would like to take that on, that would really, that would really make my life

[2:05:26] Voice 7: easier because those are the types of things I worry about at 3 a.m.

[2:05:28] Voice 7: in the morning.

[2:05:30] Voice 7: Thank you.

[2:05:33] Voice 8: Yeah.

[2:05:33] Voice 8: Okay.

[2:05:34] Voice 8: Any, anybody else?

[2:05:38] Voice 5: I just missed it.

[2:05:39] Voice 5: It's in person, right?

[2:05:40] Voice 5: I had to leave and deal with my dog at that moment when Dave was asking.

[2:05:43] Voice 5: It's in person, the meeting on October.

[2:05:45] Planner Chadwick: That's what we need to confirm.

[2:05:47] Planner Chadwick: I think that was the initial thoughts, and we just need to confirm that with the staff.

[2:05:53] Voice 5: And I will say that last time we did, we brought food as well.

[2:05:56] Voice 5: We brought local food when we got together, so that might be something to think about as well.

[2:06:02] Planner Chadwick: Yeah, no, that's good.

[2:06:04] Voice 8: Those

[2:06:05] Planner Chadwick: are good thoughts, yeah.

[2:06:05] Planner Chadwick: And

[2:06:08] Voice 8: then, yeah, anything else? I mean, Hornby's given some directions to staff around the collaboration.

[2:06:24] Voice 8: And I guess we don't need any resolutions to go to that meeting and say that we've been jointly discussing the concept of the heritage conservation areas and how we might work together on that.

[2:06:46] Voice 8: So I think that's a topic that could be raised at that meeting that doesn't, you know, wouldn't require any resolutions to do that because we have all done some consideration there.

[2:07:01] Voice 8: Obviously, it's all sort of in principle and preliminary at this point, which is, you know, fair and important disclaimers to bring to that discussion.

[2:07:12] Voice 8: discussion but um that you know there was i didn't i didn't hear anybody um say yeah geez

[2:07:20] Voice 8: neil we can't we can't go this way so it sounds like there's certainly willingness to explore

[2:07:24] Voice 8: further i think that's that's some

[2:07:26] Voice 8: good message that we could bring to them uh anybody any

[2:07:30] Voice 8: anything else from anyone else um

[2:07:33] Voice 4: i was just going to ask from the demon ltz perspective

[2:07:36] Voice 4: nurse says are there any specific uh like do should we give any specific direction

[2:07:42] Voice 4: from this conversation i think we don't have any specific like we're you know it's kind of moving

[2:07:49] Voice 4: forward we'll we'll discuss this we don't have all the information to make a concrete

[2:07:53] Voice 4: anything um but is there anything we've missed and i that's also david um david

[2:08:02] Planner Chadwick: so the timing of the meeting is november or october the fourth so i don't i don't think

[2:08:08] Planner Chadwick: that denman you won't you you won't have be in a position to sort of state outright what you're

[2:08:14] Planner Chadwick: doing with um the housing yet because we'll have to you'll have to make a decision um at your

[2:08:20] Planner Chadwick: october meeting you'll have to direct staff to move forward with bylaws bylaw drafting and that's

[2:08:27] Planner Chadwick: when it'll be clear what direction you're heading in um i think you could um um to the extent that

[2:08:34] Planner Chadwick: you're confident speak to what's being contemplated um if that's what you're asking in terms of um

[2:08:41] Planner Chadwick: sharing where you're at with the housing project

[2:08:43] Voice 4: no no no i mean just in terms of is there anything

[2:08:46] Voice 4: of these anything from here that we should be requesting like i mean i guess we also need to

[2:08:52] Voice 4: make a motion requesting uh appropriate land acknowledgements be added to the lub

[2:08:58] Voice 4: be um is that something that's a value for us to do as an rwm um yeah so

[2:09:05] Planner Chadwick: you've already you've

[2:09:06] Planner Chadwick: you've actually already

[2:09:07] Voice 4: directed staff to do that okay that's that's sort of what i thought but i

[2:09:11] Voice 4: was just like just making sure i'm just double checking um yeah

[2:09:15] Planner Chadwick: yeah no problem is that meeting

[2:09:18] Voice 7: the fourth or the ninth because i've got the ninth written down okay

[2:09:21] Planner Chadwick: you might have okay let

[2:09:22] Planner Chadwick: let me check my calendar here i get my numbers mixed up um in my

[2:09:26] Voice 7: head all the

[2:09:26] Planner Chadwick: time there we go

[2:09:27] Planner Chadwick: because you know nines

[2:09:29] Planner Chadwick: look like fours fours look

[2:09:30] Voice 4: like nine absolutely yeah our next meeting is not

[2:09:34] Voice 4: until the 21st as an ltc so the

[2:09:37] Planner Chadwick: 21st of october correct yeah yeah so that's a long

[2:09:40] Voice 4: way which is

[2:09:41] Voice 4: annoying but also just how it is yeah

[2:09:44] Planner Chadwick: but you'll have a engaging community discussion before that

[2:09:47] Planner Chadwick: time so it's actually

[2:09:48] Planner Chadwick: the timing actually works pretty well um in terms of what might come out

[2:09:52] Planner Chadwick: out of that meeting and um and then direction to move forward from there so yeah

[2:09:56] Voice 4: i just want

[2:09:57] Voice 4: to have an ltc meeting and start stuff moving you can go to

[2:10:00] Voice 5: mine you can go to the ltc for me if you

[2:10:03] Voice 5: want i

[2:10:04] Voice 4: mean i feel like i might have to go to go to yours for grant

[2:10:10] Voice 4: yeah

[2:10:10] Voice 5: i'll let you

[2:10:11] Planner Chadwick: stand in okay so i've got um on my list here uh inquire to uh identify

[2:10:18] Planner Chadwick: if appropriate gift maybe discuss um whether uh engaging with food is something we want to do

[2:10:25] Planner Chadwick: um and that the key focus of the discussion is to sort of explore this idea of nhca is that

[2:10:32] Planner Chadwick: feeling right for you yeah

[2:10:34] Voice 7: okay yeah

[2:10:36] Voice 4: and that we're and that we are we we are interested in

[2:10:40] Voice 4: that concept yeah and we really i think it's a question from my perspective of how far uh

[2:10:46] Voice 4: should we take it?

[2:10:48] Voice 4: And certainly I'm keen to take my lead

[2:10:50] Voice 4: from what the nation asks of us.

[2:10:52] Voice 4: But, yeah.

[2:10:55] Voice 8: Yeah, and then the resolution that the Hornby LTC passed

[2:10:59] Voice 8: about staff report on options,

[2:11:03] Voice 8: I would assume that that could be shared

[2:11:07] Voice 8: with the Denman LTC when that report shows up.

[2:11:11] Voice 8: um i don't know i don't know if uh if staff would advise you to you know make a do an rwm for the

[2:11:21] Voice 8: similar uh you know the

[2:11:24] Voice 1: similar report so

[2:11:25] Voice 8: that it could officially show up but uh i'd leave that to

[2:11:28] Voice 8: staff to to think about um because uh you know hornby's directed staff to do some work there's

[2:11:36] Voice 8: no reason that that oh

[2:11:37] Planner Chadwick: yeah that was the options for hca options right

[2:11:41] Voice 8: yeah well just based on the

[2:11:43] Voice 8: next steps in this agenda is yeah was essentially it so i i would assume that there's there's the

[2:11:51] Voice 8: opportunity like denman that wouldn't have to necessarily direct staff to do that work

[2:11:55] Voice 8: no um

[2:11:56] Voice 8: that it could just show up for denman when that report's ready out of that yeah

[2:12:00] Planner Chadwick: yeah we're not we're not gonna do do it twice no

[2:12:04] Voice 8: well that's that's the great thing about doing

[2:12:07] Voice 8: this this collaboration and then the work that regional planning team's doing is so that we

[2:12:11] Voice 8: don't have to duplicate and reinvent and and uh

[2:12:15] Voice 6: do

[2:12:17] Voice 8: some more better working together

[2:12:19] Voice 8: um anything else from anyone else okay let's uh let's go ahead and and call for adjournment

[2:12:29] Voice 8: there and uh great seeing you all virtually see you all in reality uh next month um on

[2:12:39] Voice 8: Gabriela. Not Alex?

[2:12:41] Voice 8: Not me. Not you?

[2:12:43] Voice 8: No. Okay.

[2:12:44] Voice 8: You'll see

[2:12:45] Voice 5: me in a

[2:12:45] Voice 8: little box like you.

[2:12:48] Voice 8: Well,

[2:12:49] Voice 8: I'll see you on Hornby.

[2:12:51] Voice 8: I'm coming to Hornby at the beginning of the month.

[2:12:53] Voice 8: All right. Well, thanks, everybody,

[2:12:55] Voice 8: and I appreciate the

[2:12:57] Voice 8: conversation. Yeah, thanks.

[2:13:00] Voice 1: Great.

[2:13:01] Voice 8: Thanks, guys.