South Pender Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, September 5, 2025

[0:00:00] Trustee Evans (probable): There's rain for two

[0:00:02] Voice 24: years. Yes.

[0:00:04] Trustee Evans (probable): Kim, we're starting the meetings.

[0:00:07] Voice 6: Well, I think people are, it seems to be quite a bit of

[0:00:12] Voice 6: computer than that. Is that right? Yeah. So,

[0:00:15] Voice 26: so I will, I'll

[0:00:16] Voice 26: speak to that.

[0:00:18] Voice 24: So are

[0:00:19] Voice 26: people getting formed? I was. Yeah, we're

[0:00:25] Voice 32: continues because

[0:00:26] Voice 8: that would have started at 12 30 so yeah so can

[0:00:33] Trustee Evans (probable): we maybe close one of those

[0:00:35] Trustee Evans (probable): doors just just one of them yeah

[0:00:41] Voice 24: you can't close the outside door it will lock okay

[0:00:49] Trustee Evans (probable): so um

[0:00:50] Trustee Evans (probable): if i should just double check with staff did you say that the live streaming has started

[0:00:56] Voice 3: It's started. Perfect.

[0:01:01] Trustee Evans (probable): Marty, can you close the other door as well? I'm trying to block out the sound of the lawnmower. It's a little loud. I just want to make sure that people can be heard because we've got a different setup.

[0:01:17] Voice 34: Perfect, thank you.

[0:01:22] Trustee Evans (probable): Okay, so I would like to call this meeting to order. This is the South Panda Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting.

[0:01:33] Trustee Evans (probable): meeting. We have adjusted the previously published meeting agenda due to an unforeseen circumstance

[0:01:43] Trustee Evans (probable): with our chair, so she is running a bit behind. She should get here about 12.30 at which point

[0:01:50] Trustee Evans (probable): we will start the community information meeting and the public hearing. So in the interim

[0:01:55] Trustee Evans (probable): we are moving the regular business meeting that was supposed to start at 12.30 to now.

[0:02:01] Trustee Evans (probable): now. So, with the amendment to the agenda, I'm going to start by saying I'm Christina

[0:02:14] Trustee Evans (probable): Evans, I'm elected on SEDEA South Pender, and I will be the interim chair of the Islands

[0:02:20] Trustee Evans (probable): Trust Local Trust Committee regular meeting portion until Chair Elliott arrives. I'd like

[0:02:27] Trustee Evans (probable): to begin the meeting by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able to gather today

[0:02:31] Trustee Evans (probable): today in locations across the traditional territory of the Coast Salish peoples, for those

[0:02:35] Trustee Evans (probable): that are attending online. And I recognize that I am an uninvited guest residing on the beautiful

[0:02:41] Trustee Evans (probable): Sudeas, South Pender, and that this is the unceded traditional territories of many Coast Nations

[0:02:46] Trustee Evans (probable): people. As someone who lives, works, and plays on this land, I acknowledge that those who come

[0:02:53] Trustee Evans (probable): before me and those who provide stewardship to these lands and waters and continue to share the

[0:02:58] Trustee Evans (probable): lands and teachings with those of us who are settlers to acknowledge that this land to

[0:03:03] Trustee Evans (probable): acknowledge this land is to recognize its longer history and our place in that history and that's

[0:03:08] Trustee Evans (probable): to recognize that these lands and waters and the significance to the people who lived and continue

[0:03:12] Trustee Evans (probable): to live around and in this area these practices and spiritualities were and are tied to the land

[0:03:18] Trustee Evans (probable): and water and those whose lives continue to be enriched and develop in relationship to these

[0:03:23] Trustee Evans (probable): lands waters and the other inhabitants today so i'm very grateful to be here i am

[0:03:32] Trustee Evans (probable): an absolutely stunning place and i think anyone who comes here recognizes that

[0:03:38] Trustee Evans (probable): so today we are joined by our other ltc member and i'll ask him to introduce himself and i believe

[0:03:46] Trustee Evans (probable): that um chair elliott's also on the line so i will get us to introduce ourselves over to you

[0:03:52] Trustee Evans (probable): Yep,

[0:03:53] Voice 6: I'm Jack Faulk, trustee for South Bender.

[0:03:58] Trustee Evans (probable): And online we have Toby, Chair of Tove Faulk. I'm not sure how to introduce you at this point.

[0:04:05] Voice 21: I'm the trustee at the moment. Thank you, Ackley and Chair. Can everyone hear me okay?

[0:04:11] Voice 21: Yes.

[0:04:12] Voice 21: Can you hear me okay? Thank you. I'm joining you from the ferry here,

[0:04:19] Voice 21: here and we are just about to leave so I am sincerely sorry and I apologize to the Sarfender

[0:04:25] Voice 21: community and to my fellow trustees and staff it was um very human um morning and uh simply slept

[0:04:36] Voice 21: through my alarm but uh I will be there as soon as I can and I thank everybody so much for doing

[0:04:42] Voice 21: all the work around so that we could continue with this LTC meeting today um and again I apologize

[0:04:48] Voice 21: just to support the big inconvenience for everyone. Thank you. And

[0:04:54] Trustee Evans (probable): then the staff members

[0:04:55] Trustee Evans (probable): that we have with us today to my, and I'm very bad with left and right.

[0:05:02] Voice 15: Yep, soft hill. Hello, everyone. Online in here.

[0:05:07] Trustee Evans (probable): And I'm not sure who we have online if I can,

[0:05:10] Trustee Evans (probable): because I don't have my screen up. And that's a little too far for me to see if I can ask the

[0:05:15] Trustee Evans (probable): online staff people to introduce themselves i'm

[0:05:20] Voice 5: carly bilney i'm the recorder from the for the

[0:05:22] Voice 5: meeting thank

[0:05:24] Voice 3: you i'm emily

[0:05:25] Voice 3: bryant i'm the meeting host

[0:05:30] Voice 8: do

[0:05:35] Trustee Evans (probable): we have any other staff members online

[0:05:37] Voice 5: that's everyone i think so

[0:05:43] Trustee Evans (probable): with recording will be available as a video on demand on the islands

[0:05:46] Trustee Evans (probable): trust website within the next uh little while if you are online i ask that you mute your mic

[0:05:53] Trustee Evans (probable): when and i also ask that members of the public uh don't speak while we're speaking

[0:05:57] Trustee Evans (probable): Thank you so much. It is because it does make it difficult to hear. I do ask that people

[0:06:06] Trustee Evans (probable): might mute their mics when they're not speaking in order to reduce the risk of audio disruptions

[0:06:11] Trustee Evans (probable): during the meeting. And so this is okay. And again, I'm going to request if you do need

[0:06:21] Trustee Evans (probable): to speak, if you can please leave the room, it does get picked up and it is very disruptive

[0:06:26] Trustee Evans (probable): to four um i get i'm one of those people that if other conversations are occurring i can't um speak

[0:06:34] Trustee Evans (probable): my struggle that's one of my struggles um okay so with the agenda in front of us as amended

[0:06:45] Trustee Evans (probable): we are moving um sections nine and ten which is a community information meeting in the public

[0:06:51] Trustee Evans (probable): public hearing to begin at 12 30 and we're going to move the rest of the items forward so i'm going

[0:07:00] Trustee Evans (probable): to ask with the amendment to the agenda are there any additions or late items of business to bring

[0:07:06] Trustee Evans (probable): forward not seeing any i would like to ask for approval of the agenda as amended by consent

[0:07:20] Trustee Evans (probable): no position okay then by general consent we approve the amended agenda

[0:07:27] Trustee Evans (probable): agenda. We're going to start with the trustee reports. And

[0:07:43] Trustee Evans (probable): see,

[0:07:46] Voice 16: did you have anything that you'd like to report out?

[0:07:51] Voice 6: Chair

[0:07:51] Voice 16: Evans, if I may, we have item number three, a rise in

[0:07:54] Voice 16: report. That's something that we also need to do.

[0:07:57] Voice 16: Or I

[0:07:58] Trustee Evans (probable): appreciate Yeah, thank you so much. I missed that. So the

[0:08:01] Trustee Evans (probable): rising report for the in camera meeting on May 2 2025.

[0:08:07] Trustee Evans (probable): We'd like to rise and report that the adoption of the February 2nd, 2024 in-camera meeting minutes

[0:08:12] Trustee Evans (probable): and the adoption of Andrew McLean, Bert Hall, and John Spaulding to the Board of Variants

[0:08:18] Trustee Evans (probable): were term ending May 2nd, 2028.

[0:08:22] Trustee Evans (probable): Thank you.

[0:08:25] Trustee Evans (probable): Okay.

[0:08:26] Trustee Evans (probable): And then we've approved the agenda.

[0:08:28] Trustee Evans (probable): And I was just asking, do you have anything

[0:08:35] Voice 6: you want to report for me?

[0:08:37] Trustee Evans (probable): Okay.

[0:08:37] Trustee Evans (probable): Okay, and trustee Elliot, did you have a report that you'd like to present at this point?

[0:08:45] Voice 21: I think given the connectivity issues, if I could fold my report until the end

[0:08:52] Voice 32: of the meeting, is that all right?

[0:08:55] Trustee Evans (probable): Of

[0:08:55] Voice 17: course, I will just make a note of that.

[0:09:01] Trustee Evans (probable): So we would put that under, did you want to do that before the final timefall?

[0:09:11] Voice 32: Sure.

[0:09:11] Voice 32: like

[0:09:11] Trustee Evans (probable): that or do

[0:09:12] Voice 32: you want to add it into

[0:09:12] Trustee Evans (probable): a new business section it

[0:09:17] Voice 21: can follow the town hall

[0:09:18] Voice 21: just at the end of the meeting would be great and i just we had one late item with a policy

[0:09:24] Voice 21: statement briefing that didn't make it into the agenda was that added uh

[0:09:30] Trustee Evans (probable): just one second

[0:09:32] Voice 34: sorry what was that uh

[0:09:42] Voice 21: planner stockdale has a policy statement briefing that updates the south

[0:09:50] Voice 21: So pender community on the referral response for everything

[0:09:55] Voice 32: that I can wonder if it's just

[0:10:07] Trustee Evans (probable): that would be not for us that I believe that we would address that in 15.2.

[0:10:16] Trustee Evans (probable): And we can we can address that when we get there.

[0:10:19] Voice 22: Yes, it's just noting that, right, I'm

[0:10:27] Trustee Evans (probable): sorry, you broke up.

[0:10:28] Trustee Evans (probable): But I think that I understood that, yes, we would address the update in 15.2.

[0:10:37] Trustee Evans (probable): Yes, in the same months.

[0:10:38] Trustee Evans (probable): Okay.

[0:10:42] Trustee Evans (probable): I am going to provide my report then now.

[0:10:49] Trustee Evans (probable): So on the 28th of July, 2025, there was a special Trust Council meeting,

[0:10:54] Trustee Evans (probable): which Trust Council met to review and give first reading to Bylaw 183,

[0:11:01] Trustee Evans (probable): which is a trust policy amendment project. There will be a report later on in this agenda.

[0:11:08] Trustee Evans (probable): There is, as we just mentioned, there is an update to that. Feedback on the draft policy

[0:11:14] Trustee Evans (probable): statement is being collected through an online survey and also with the postage paid paper

[0:11:20] Trustee Evans (probable): copies that you should have received in the mail. And they're also available around the

[0:11:25] Trustee Evans (probable): Islands Trust area. And for the Penders, it's at the Pender Island Public Library.

[0:11:31] Trustee Evans (probable): the public can also submit comments by email or phone directly to the island's trust council in

[0:11:35] Trustee Evans (probable): writing or by speaking at public input sessions during the september or december trust council

[0:11:42] Trustee Evans (probable): meetings local committees local trust committees will host local engagement opportunities to help

[0:11:48] Trustee Evans (probable): inform the recommendations to trust council and on north pender island the town hall during the

[0:11:54] Trustee Evans (probable): regular local trust committee meeting on october 3rd is available and for south pender island

[0:12:00] Trustee Evans (probable): there will be a staff-led town hall meeting during the regular local trust committee meeting on

[0:12:05] Trustee Evans (probable): November 7th. Members of the public are encouraged to attend a virtual town hall on September 10th

[0:12:12] Trustee Evans (probable): as well to learn more and ask questions. With regards to the trust programs committee on July

[0:12:21] Trustee Evans (probable): 29th we endorsed five webinar projects under the stewardship education program and they include the

[0:12:28] Trustee Evans (probable): I don't know what that's saying.

[0:12:30] Trustee Evans (probable): It's the Foyete Luski Archaeology Project.

[0:12:34] Trustee Evans (probable): Protecting the shoreline, a shared responsibility,

[0:12:37] Trustee Evans (probable): climate adaption, rain gardens,

[0:12:39] Trustee Evans (probable): and other nature-based solutions that you can use.

[0:12:43] Trustee Evans (probable): I'm working towards a fallow deer strategy

[0:12:45] Trustee Evans (probable): on the Southern Gulf Islands,

[0:12:47] Trustee Evans (probable): as well as species at risk on your property

[0:12:50] Trustee Evans (probable): and how to become a habitat steward.

[0:12:53] Trustee Evans (probable): Business cases that the Trust Programs Committee submitted

[0:12:57] Trustee Evans (probable): for inclusion 2026-27 budget includes 17,000 for the secretariat services and 10,000 for a climate

[0:13:05] Trustee Evans (probable): action education plan development and implementation. Just so that people are aware as the stewardship

[0:13:11] Trustee Evans (probable): education program doesn't fall under any of these strategic plan projects we're not able to request

[0:13:16] Trustee Evans (probable): budget at this time but we have asked staff to revise the committee's terms of reference to

[0:13:21] Trustee Evans (probable): include the stewardship education as an integral deliverable of this committee. So in place of the

[0:13:27] Trustee Evans (probable): stewardship education program we're looking to deliver the climate action education plan with

[0:13:31] Trustee Evans (probable): webinars as deliverables during the next fiscal year and working on reinstating the stewardship

[0:13:37] Trustee Evans (probable): education program another item to be aware of that's definitely going to be affecting the

[0:13:43] Trustee Evans (probable): pandas bc ferries otter bay terminal project i have volunteered to be part of the um

[0:13:52] Trustee Evans (probable): focus group so if you've got questions or concerns feel free to reach out and i can bring those

[0:13:56] Trustee Evans (probable): forward to BC Ferries as as part of the monthly meetings that we have. Things to be aware of.

[0:14:03] Trustee Evans (probable): Construction is expected to begin in in January 2026 and continue until May 2026.

[0:14:11] Trustee Evans (probable): During this time there will be service disruptions. They're looking at bringing in

[0:14:18] Trustee Evans (probable): in water taxi so passenger only to offset cancelled ferry routes during that time

[0:14:27] Trustee Evans (probable): and there is an expected full five-day closure so as soon as i know when that will be it will

[0:14:35] Trustee Evans (probable): be during that time frame as soon as i know when that is i'll let everybody know

[0:14:38] Trustee Evans (probable): so if you have any doctor's appointments or surgeries or anything like that that you

[0:14:45] Trustee Evans (probable): absolutely have to be there for. We are working on ways to help mitigate that

[0:14:53] Trustee Evans (probable): like I said because there's going to be an awful lot of passenger only

[0:14:58] Trustee Evans (probable): accessibility. So if you need to find out more about that I have posted in the

[0:15:05] Trustee Evans (probable): upcoming PendaPost a website where you can go and look for updates. And then the

[0:15:13] Trustee Evans (probable): The last thing that I'm going to say is for Trust Council meeting is September 16th to 18th

[0:15:18] Trustee Evans (probable): on the 8th on Gaffrey All Island, and that's the end of my report. Thank you.

[0:15:25] Voice 16: Sure, Evan. If I can ask a question, and this may be brought up later on in item 15.2 of the policy statement.

[0:15:33] Voice 16: So it's my understanding that the South Pender LTC has decided to do a town hall session, right?

[0:15:39] Voice 16: right? But that was not to include TAS staff. It was going to be LTC led. So that's something we

[0:15:46] Voice 16: may want to discuss and just confirm. And I'll send you the email that was sent out by Jason

[0:15:53] Voice 16: Humans who did the overview. We want to make sure that we get that correct before November 4th.

[0:16:01] Voice 16: Yes, definitely.

[0:16:02] Trustee Evans (probable): Because I believe that we had opted in for a staff.

[0:16:04] Trustee Evans (probable): Okay. We'll send an email to Jason right now.

[0:16:08] Trustee Evans (probable): So if we can confirm that, because I did go back through the minutes, and I believe that we had opted in specifically for a staff-led town hall.

[0:16:18] Trustee Evans (probable): That would be great to clarify.

[0:16:22] Trustee Evans (probable): All right.

[0:16:26] Trustee Evans (probable): There are no other reports, and we don't have the director in the room, and I don't see him online, so I don't believe we'll have a report from him.

[0:16:34] Trustee Evans (probable): down um now i'm we've got town hall and questions at this point but if there if there is anyone

[0:16:47] Trustee Evans (probable): that's got um questions regarding the the regular um ltc agenda not put in regards to the community

[0:16:57] Trustee Evans (probable): information meeting or the public hearing if you've got any council questions and i will open

[0:17:02] Trustee Evans (probable): for that yes will

[0:17:06] Voice 31: there be um uh community information or sorry town following question

[0:17:11] Voice 31: session before the public hearing um

[0:17:15] Trustee Evans (probable): no there's a there's a second town hall at the end of the

[0:17:19] Trustee Evans (probable): meeting um so no it would be yes

[0:17:26] Voice 16: yes so there will be a community information meeting specifically

[0:17:30] Voice 16: for proposed bylaw 129 so that's the the best opportunity to speak or to ask questions about

[0:17:36] Voice 16: the bylaw no

[0:17:37] Trustee Evans (probable): he's asking if there's going to be a town hall and another town hall before yes no

[0:17:40] Voice 16: that's it not a town hall but a community information so

[0:17:43] Trustee Evans (probable): yeah thank you that answers

[0:17:45] Voice 16: my question thank you

[0:17:46] Trustee Evans (probable): any other questions on the regular business items not seeing any

[0:17:57] Trustee Evans (probable): we will now proceed into the meeting minutes and i'm just going to open up for okay does anyone

[0:18:10] Trustee Evans (probable): anyone have any edits or comments on the minutes of the regular meeting this was these are

[0:18:18] Trustee Evans (probable): adopted so they're here for information and the local trust committee special meetings

[0:18:26] Trustee Evans (probable): of july 4th is also here for information they were also previously adopted and i'm going

[0:18:32] Trustee Evans (probable): to go down to um section 11.3 so any other comments on 11.1 or 11.2 which were provided

[0:18:45] Voice 19: I just

[0:18:47] Voice 16: wanted to add that the local trust committee does have a standing resolution

[0:18:55] Voice 16: stating that if there's going to be a great amount of time between one LTC meeting to

[0:19:00] Voice 16: the next, that staff will do their best to get a RWM, a resolution without meeting, out

[0:19:08] Voice 16: to adopt the minutes.

[0:19:09] Voice 16: So I will be including that in our follow-up action list after every meeting to prompt staff to ensure that that gets out.

[0:19:20] Voice 16: It's one of these things sometimes that we forget, but reminders are always helpful.

[0:19:24] Voice 16: So we will certainly try to do that.

[0:19:28] Trustee Evans (probable): yeah absolutely

[0:19:29] Trustee Evans (probable): so the standing resolution states that staff prepare the draft of meeting minutes

[0:19:36] Trustee Evans (probable): of the local trust committee reading correction and amendment as soon as possible following the

[0:19:40] Trustee Evans (probable): meeting south pender local trust committees will adopt these minutes without by resolution

[0:19:47] Trustee Evans (probable): that meeting within 14 days if possible of each meeting so that doesn't mean that we have to do

[0:19:54] Trustee Evans (probable): within the 14 days as there are things that do come up stamps availability issues with the with

[0:20:00] Trustee Evans (probable): the minutes and also availability of the local trust committee to actually get into a meeting

[0:20:05] Trustee Evans (probable): but we will do our very best to do that it's not always feasible but we do try um all right

[0:20:14] Trustee Evans (probable): the next items is the resolutions without meeting dated august 2025 um and august 25th

[0:20:26] Trustee Evans (probable): was to adopt the july 4th meetings as minutes as amended and um and i've got one here may

[0:20:34] Trustee Evans (probable): may 29th that was to adopt the may 2nd 2025 meeting so i think that's just uh

[0:20:42] Trustee Evans (probable): maybe a leftover because that's a little old yes looks like it yeah I think it's just a leftover

[0:20:47] Trustee Evans (probable): all right on to the follow-up action report oh and also to say there are no advisory planning

[0:20:55] Trustee Evans (probable): commission meeting minutes unless they haven't had any meetings since the last time we met

[0:21:04] Trustee Evans (probable): Okie dokie. So now on to the follow-up action report. Is there any follow-up action item

[0:21:15] Trustee Evans (probable): related questions or comments? Go ahead, Kim.

[0:21:20] Voice 16: Thank you, Chair. I'm happy to report that our number one item that's been on there for

[0:21:26] Voice 16: a few years now in regards to a subdivision the applicants are in their final efforts of getting

[0:21:36] Voice 16: the covenants registered so I'm very hopeful that by the next meeting that that status will be from

[0:21:42] Voice 16: in progress to complete it so I have been in touch with applicants and they're doing their very best

[0:21:47] Voice 16: to get that done.

[0:21:52] Trustee Evans (probable): Yeah because that's the only current open item.

[0:21:56] Voice 16: Yes the other one is the

[0:21:58] Voice 16: draft business case for a targeted OCP review but that's for late spring 2026 so it'll be on there

[0:22:05] Voice 16: for another eight months or so. Perfect all

[0:22:10] Trustee Evans (probable): right any other questions or comments on the follow-up

[0:22:17] Trustee Evans (probable): We don't have any delegations scheduled for today, is that right?

[0:22:21] Voice 3: Nope.

[0:22:22] Voice 3: Nope.

[0:22:24] Trustee Evans (probable): So correspondence concerning the current applications of projects is posted on the LTC webpage.

[0:22:34] Trustee Evans (probable): I will deal with the community information meeting and the public hall and public binder

[0:22:44] Trustee Evans (probable): out when we get to that section so i'm just going to leave that as um that's the correspondence

[0:22:52] Trustee Evans (probable): outside of that um any other items that anyone would like to point forward on the correspondence

[0:23:00] Trustee Evans (probable): okay moving on to section 15 we are moving into the uh applications and referrals so 15.1

[0:23:09] Trustee Evans (probable): is the saturn island local trust committee referral for draft bylaw 149 and that's starting

[0:23:16] Trustee Evans (probable): on page 25 of the agenda package and i'm going to turn this over to staff stockdale to walk us

[0:23:25] Trustee Evans (probable): through this quickly thank

[0:23:26] Voice 16: you uh so the saturn island ltc is amending their land use bylaw

[0:23:31] Voice 16: to update their current secondary suite regulations um that um would and they're looking

[0:23:39] Voice 16: at also the the most available torrential salt water intrusion mapping so where there perhaps

[0:23:45] Voice 16: is lower saltwater intrusion, they may open that up for secondary suites. So they've done that

[0:23:50] Voice 16: research. They have a draft or a proposed amendment bylaw here for consideration. They've

[0:23:56] Voice 16: also amended their reference of rainwater storage to be freshwater storage. And that's a standard

[0:24:03] Voice 16: update that most

[0:24:05] Voice 16: LTCs are making to their land use bylaws. And also to amend the minimum cistern

[0:24:11] Voice 16: capacity to align with industry standards and again um it's 18 000 liters which we're trying

[0:24:17] Voice 16: to do a standard for for all land use bylaws so those are the updates there and the bylaw

[0:24:24] Voice 16: is on page 29 for the ltc to review okay

[0:24:30] Trustee Evans (probable): any um comments or questions or i

[0:24:35] Voice 6: have no concerns

[0:24:36] Voice 6: No

[0:24:36] Trustee Evans (probable): concerns? Trustee Elliott? And I didn't have any concerns either. So, based on that, could I get someone to make a motion to reflect the South Pender Local Trust Committee's interests in this?

[0:25:03] Voice 6: Okay. Do we have the wording somewhere?

[0:25:05] Voice 6: no

[0:25:06] Trustee Evans (probable): so we've got uh the four options and i believe it'll it'll be likely the interest unaffected

[0:25:14] Voice 6: yeah i can make a motion i think if i'm get the uh the names right of the

[0:25:21] Voice 6: when's this referral

[0:25:22] Voice 16: as long as you include the saturn um local trust committee and their

[0:25:27] Voice 16: violent number and then the what you've determined yeah

[0:25:30] Voice 6: so the i make a motion that the saturn island

[0:25:33] Voice 6: Island local trust area bylaw number 143 referral form for the South Pender LTC that we have

[0:25:45] Voice 6: we approve the recommended for reasons outlined below and the reasons are we have no concerns

[0:25:55] Voice 6: that's clear but I didn't see another interest

[0:25:59] Voice 19: and affected by the bylaw

[0:26:00] Voice 19: So that's the one

[0:26:03] Voice 17: that we're going to do.

[0:26:03] Voice 6: That's the one you

[0:26:04] Voice 17: want to do.

[0:26:04] Voice 17: You have to check one of them.

[0:26:06] Voice 6: I'll amend that to the interest

[0:26:08] Voice 6: unaffected by bylaw.

[0:26:10] Voice 17: And because we're not making

[0:26:11] Voice 17: any recommendations.

[0:26:13] Voice 28: Right.

[0:26:14] Voice 17: Yeah.

[0:26:15] Voice 17: Like that.

[0:26:16] Voice 17: Okay.

[0:26:20] Voice 16: And if I could make a friendly amendment

[0:26:22] Voice 16: that it just starts

[0:26:23] Voice 16: that the South Pender Local Trust Committee

[0:26:27] Voice 16: determines bylaw number 143

[0:26:29] Voice 16: for the Saterna LTC.

[0:26:31] Voice 16: Yeah.

[0:26:31] Voice 16: Interest unaffected by the bylaw.

[0:26:32] Voice 16: Yep.

[0:26:33] Voice 16: We'll just flip some wording.

[0:26:34] Voice 16: Sure.

[0:26:35] Voice 16: I'm going to

[0:26:37] Trustee Evans (probable): ask that staff read it back to us once they have that captured.

[0:26:43] Voice 5: I can read it.

[0:26:44] Voice 5: I have that the South Pender Island Local Trust Committee interests are unaffected by

[0:26:49] Voice 5: the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee draft bylaw number 143.

[0:26:53] Voice 5: Thank you very much.

[0:26:55] Trustee Evans (probable): Any further discussion or comments on this item?

[0:27:01] Trustee Evans (probable): Not seeing any, I'll call the vote.

[0:27:03] Trustee Evans (probable): all those in favor please raise your hand or say aye. Any opposed and for

[0:27:14] Trustee Evans (probable): those who are not able to see Trustee Elliot raised her hand so that is

[0:27:21] Trustee Evans (probable): carried. Moving on to 15.2 which is trust council bylaw 183 which is a policy

[0:27:30] Trustee Evans (probable): statement bylaw referral as brought up earlier that there has been a correction

[0:27:37] Trustee Evans (probable): that was made to the briefing and I'm going to turn this over to Stan Stockdale to just

[0:27:48] Trustee Evans (probable): do a quick walkthrough of the edits to the briefing that was provided in the agenda so

[0:27:54] Trustee Evans (probable): we can have that clear.

[0:27:56] Voice 16: Thank you, Chair.

[0:27:57] Voice 16: So what stands in the agenda on page 31 is still correct.

[0:28:02] Voice 16: The issue or the error was the response date that was requested in the package on page

[0:28:09] Voice 16: page 32. uh the requested date was October 10th of this year uh but the updated briefing states

[0:28:16] Voice 16: that it's not October 10th it is in fact a February 6th of 2026. um I'm not sure if you

[0:28:25] Voice 16: wanted me to go into the full referral or if I turn it back over to the um trustee if you're

[0:28:31] Voice 16: comfortable you i would just be reading this out oh yeah of

[0:28:37] Trustee Evans (probable): course um i can do that so this one

[0:28:41] Trustee Evans (probable): um so um as i mentioned in my report earlier trust council met at a special meeting to give

[0:28:51] Trustee Evans (probable): first reading to the final 183 which is the policy statement um amendment project uh there's been a

[0:28:59] Trustee Evans (probable): lot of work done by a committee of the whole and then it came back to trust programs of which i'm

[0:29:04] Trustee Evans (probable): a part of and the initial review and edits to the um the draft that was received from staff after

[0:29:15] Trustee Evans (probable): they had done the 32 recommendations from the previous trust council and it had gone out to

[0:29:20] Trustee Evans (probable): first nations for their input um this was our first time at actually seeing it and so we went

[0:29:27] Trustee Evans (probable): through, we made a few clean-ups, a few edits and added a few things in. It then went to Trust

[0:29:34] Trustee Evans (probable): Council and went at First Reading so now it has gone back out for the referral process which has

[0:29:42] Trustee Evans (probable): gone to all the federal agencies that it needs to go to as well as back to First Nations for further

[0:29:48] Trustee Evans (probable): input. It is now coming to community so that we have six months to go through

[0:29:57] Trustee Evans (probable): this and you can speak to your

[0:30:00] Trustee Evans (probable): LTC members, raise any concerns that you have, and then this is a the time for us to go through it,

[0:30:07] Trustee Evans (probable): review it, and provide community feedback. There will be an online question and answers period on

[0:30:17] Trustee Evans (probable): I think it was October 10th, yes October 10th, and then we also have as we were just discussing,

[0:30:25] Trustee Evans (probable): I believe it's a staff-led meeting at our November 7th regular town hall during the

[0:30:32] Trustee Evans (probable): town hall of our regular scheduled meeting.

[0:30:36] Voice 32: Looks like Trustee Elliott has a question

[0:30:38] Voice 32: and I believe Jason will be joining us by Zoom shortly. Oh

[0:30:42] Voice 16: that would be

[0:30:42] Trustee Evans (probable): brilliant because I'm

[0:30:43] Voice 16: very

[0:30:44] Trustee Evans (probable): online now. Perfect. Hello Seth Yeomans.

[0:30:48] Voice 1: Hello South Pender trustees. How are you doing today?

[0:30:51] Trustee Evans (probable): Great. I was just giving you a little brief background of where we are,

[0:30:58] Trustee Evans (probable): but I will turn it over to you, and I'm quite sure if you repeat anything, that's okay.

[0:31:02] Voice 1: Sure, yeah. I actually don't have any prepared remarks for you today.

[0:31:07] Voice 1: I assume that you have received the referral from Trust Council of the

[0:31:12] Voice 1: draft Islands Trust Policy Statement, which received first reading at Trust Council on

[0:31:16] Voice 1: July the 29th I will note that the October 14th deadline that occurs in the

[0:31:23] Voice 1: covering email to the recovering letter to the referral response is not actually

[0:31:27] Voice 1: the deadline that you need to work to because it occurred to us afterwards

[0:31:31] Voice 1: that of course each local trust committee is having its own local

[0:31:35] Voice 1: engagement events through October and November and so you won't be in a

[0:31:39] Voice 1: position to be able to respond to the referral likely until after you have had

[0:31:43] Voice 1: an engagement event on your island so um in our referrals to other government agencies we have

[0:31:50] Voice 1: set a february 6th deadline i mean ideally i think trust council would like and staff would certainly

[0:31:55] Voice 1: like to have the responses in sooner than that so sooner is better but october 14th is not uh

[0:32:01] Voice 1: not not the priority deadline perfect

[0:32:05] Trustee Evans (probable): so um again to rewrite this gives us time to have community

[0:32:10] Trustee Evans (probable): the input we are available for questions if there's something that we can't answer we will

[0:32:15] Trustee Evans (probable): refer to staff and get a response so i do recommend that people have a look through the policy

[0:32:20] Trustee Evans (probable): statement and tell us what you think about it and come with responses especially to the next meeting

[0:32:27] Trustee Evans (probable): as well and please join the q a on september 10th you do have to register for it yes you do

[0:32:34] Voice 1: that's right on on the evening of september 10th and also um south pender had ltc had previously

[0:32:39] Voice 1: indicated that you were going to host a town hall at your november the 7th meeting on for

[0:32:45] Voice 1: the purpose of hearing from your uh community members yeah

[0:32:49] Trustee Evans (probable): and that was going to be as i

[0:32:51] Trustee Evans (probable): believe we had stated staff led and we were just we were just um going to go back through the um

[0:32:57] Trustee Evans (probable): uh the motions to double check that yeah

[0:33:00] Voice 1: i did i did just do a quick review uh to to make sure i

[0:33:03] Voice 1: had my ducks in a row um the minutes indicate that you had just asked for a town hall which

[0:33:08] Voice 1: doesn't necessarily include a staff component other than the fact i would probably tune in

[0:33:13] Voice 1: in case any questions came up but um if it's the desire of south pender ltc to have a more robust

[0:33:20] Voice 1: staff role like a presentation that precedes the town hall or a question and answer i'm sure we can

[0:33:25] Voice 1: we can make that happen if that's um of interest to you perfect

[0:33:29] Trustee Evans (probable): thank you very much does anyone

[0:33:33] Trustee Evans (probable): have anything else that they would like to add did i miss anything in there would

[0:33:39] Voice 16: the ltc like

[0:33:40] Voice 16: to give direction um in regards to if you'd like the town hall sessions be led by task staff

[0:33:47] Voice 16: i think it'd be worthwhile to have that as a resolution

[0:33:49] Trustee Evans (probable): yeah um there's one other

[0:33:54] Trustee Evans (probable): matter

[0:33:56] Voice 21: if i

[0:33:57] Voice 32: don't know if i can raise

[0:33:59] Voice 21: that now can you hear me okay yeah

[0:34:03] Trustee Evans (probable): we can hear you um

[0:34:04] Voice 21: It's the timing of the LTC giving a referral response by February 6th.

[0:34:16] Voice 21: We had this discussion at the Gabriela LTC yesterday because we also selected the second

[0:34:22] Voice 21: option to have a town hall session to hear from the community, but we did not feel that

[0:34:30] Voice 21: we could back from the community into an LTC response in that same meeting because it's

[0:34:41] Voice 21: possible there's going to be strong support for some policies and we're going to be looking at

[0:34:49] Voice 21: these policies with the with the view that how will they impact the South Pender LTC area and

[0:34:58] Voice 21: So that feedback is going to be really important and we might want to take

[0:35:03] Voice 21: more time. So I'm wondering if the February 13th meeting, the next meeting of South Pender,

[0:35:13] Voice 21: is that okay to give the South Pender's LTC response? That would give us time to hear from

[0:35:20] Voice 21: the community um and get our recommendation as to support for these policies and perhaps

[0:35:27] Voice 21: recommend um alternatives for other policies that aren't supported

[0:35:32] Voice 32: does that make sense

[0:35:34] Voice 32: i

[0:35:34] Voice 8: do

[0:35:37] Trustee Evans (probable): hear what you're saying i was thinking we could have a special electronic meeting just prior

[0:35:42] Trustee Evans (probable): as well so that we can meet the requested cutoff date and just to deal with that one subject to um

[0:35:52] Trustee Evans (probable): to pass the bylaw referral.

[0:35:55] Voice 32: Okay, so we would need to

[0:35:58] Voice 21: give direction then,

[0:35:59] Voice 21: which we could do in November

[0:36:00] Voice 21: to schedule a special electronic meeting

[0:36:04] Voice 21: to give our referral response.

[0:36:07] Voice 21: Yeah, that makes sense.

[0:36:10] Voice 21: Does that work?

[0:36:12] Voice 6: I think so.

[0:36:13] Voice 6: Does that mean we're still needing a motion

[0:36:16] Voice 6: for having the meetings on November 7th be staff-led?

[0:36:21] Trustee Evans (probable): Yes, please.

[0:36:22] Voice 6: So

[0:36:23] Trustee Evans (probable): let's just, if we're all good,

[0:36:24] Trustee Evans (probable): with just having a special electronic meeting to deal with the bio referral form um late january

[0:36:31] Trustee Evans (probable): then uh to meet the february 6th deadline um do we need to let me say we can we can we can

[0:36:39] Trustee Evans (probable): we can um bring that forward at the november 7th that's right and yes

[0:36:46] Trustee Evans (probable): Yes, I'll make that

[0:36:46] Voice 16: to the agenda.

[0:36:47] Trustee Evans (probable): Yeah, great, perfect.

[0:36:48] Trustee Evans (probable): And then I think that's closed and over to you, Christy.

[0:36:53] Voice 6: Yeah.

[0:36:59] Voice 6: What do I start with

[0:37:01] Trustee Evans (probable): to identify the topic?

[0:37:04] Trustee Evans (probable): That South Penn DLTC request staff

[0:37:08] Trustee Evans (probable): to schedule staff members or TAS, right?

[0:37:15] Trustee Evans (probable): Yeah.

[0:37:15] Voice 6: So I make a motion that Southpender LTC request staff to arrange or provide a staff-led session on the bylaw 183, the policy statement on the November 7th regular meeting.

[0:37:43] Voice 6: And

[0:37:49] Trustee Evans (probable): if I can ask staff to leave that back again.

[0:37:51] Trustee Evans (probable): game sure

[0:37:52] Voice 5: that the south pander island local trust committee requests staff to provide staff

[0:37:56] Voice 5: staff sorry

[0:37:58] Trustee Evans (probable): hold on um there's conversation happening in the back i did ask uh people

[0:38:01] Trustee Evans (probable): if you do need to talk please marty i apologize

[0:38:05] Trustee Evans (probable): apologies thank you sorry can you read that back

[0:38:10] Trustee Evans (probable): again sure

[0:38:11] Voice 5: that the south pander island local trust committee requests staff to provide a

[0:38:15] Voice 5: staff-led session on bylaw 183 the policy statement at the november 7th regular meeting okay

[0:38:26] Trustee Evans (probable): um any

[0:38:28] Trustee Evans (probable): amendments or changes to the well

[0:38:33] Voice 6: we need to vote on it yeah

[0:38:34] Trustee Evans (probable): i know any amendments changes to the

[0:38:36] Trustee Evans (probable): wording sorry not seeing any i will call the vote all those in favor please raise did

[0:38:42] Voice 6: we get a

[0:38:42] Voice 6: second oh

[0:38:43] Trustee Evans (probable): sorry seconder can i have a seconder so i got distracted by the conversation thank you

[0:38:49] Trustee Evans (probable): Thank you. Any further discussion? I'm not seeing any. I'll hold the vote. All those in favour, please raise your hand or say aye. And for those who can't see, Trustee Elliott raised her hand, and that is carried. Okay. So the final referral firm has been referred until the November meeting.

[0:39:17] Trustee Evans (probable): Thank you to Jason.

[0:39:19] Trustee Evans (probable): Yes, very much. Thank you so much for joining us.

[0:39:21] Voice 1: Thank you, Trustees. We look forward to seeing you on November the 7th.

[0:39:24] Trustee Evans (probable): absolutely scroll down to the next section okay so the next item is the literature committee

[0:39:36] Trustee Evans (probable): projects and this is 16.1 and this is the minor lub amendment project i'm wondering if we should

[0:39:44] Trustee Evans (probable): um we postpone this until after the community information as well i think

[0:39:48] Voice 16: it's a great idea

[0:39:49] Voice 16: Yeah. In light of also, and the LTC may want to consider postponing 16.2.

[0:39:56] Voice 16: I know that there were some community members that were confused about the notice that the public hearing was starting at 1230.

[0:40:03] Voice 16: They may have thought the entire meeting was going to start at 1230.

[0:40:07] Voice 16: So you could move 16.2 later on in the meeting and then jump right into reports if the LTC would like.

[0:40:13] Voice 16: Yeah, so I'm going

[0:40:15] Trustee Evans (probable): to move section 16 until after the public hearing, so that it follows

[0:40:22] Trustee Evans (probable): the original intent of giving people the ability to speak to these items, if that's okay with

[0:40:31] Trustee Evans (probable): everybody?

[0:40:31] Trustee Evans (probable): Hmm.

[0:40:32] Trustee Evans (probable): Being nods.

[0:40:33] Trustee Evans (probable): Okay.

[0:40:35] Trustee Evans (probable): So the next section then is section 17 and these are now getting into work program reports

[0:40:42] Trustee Evans (probable): reports. And again, let me just see. Starting on page 94 of the agenda, I'm just going to

[0:40:52] Trustee Evans (probable): have a look at this. Yeah, okay. I will turn us over to staff Stocksill to walk through

[0:40:57] Trustee Evans (probable): the active projects report. Thank

[0:40:59] Voice 16: you, Chair. So there's currently two active projects on

[0:41:05] Voice 16: on the action list here on page 90 for the agenda.

[0:41:10] Voice 16: The first one is the minor land use by-law review project,

[0:41:14] Voice 16: which we are in more so the final stages of that project

[0:41:20] Voice 16: with having the community information meeting

[0:41:22] Voice 16: and public hearing later today,

[0:41:24] Voice 16: and the potential for further readings to by-law 129.

[0:41:29] Voice 16: The second project is a short-term vacation rental regulation and policy review.

[0:41:36] Voice 16: This project has just started in the very initial stages and as seen in the agenda staff

[0:41:44] Voice 16: have provided a draft project charter for the LTC to consider.

[0:41:50] Voice 16: So once the minor land use file review project is completed then that will be removed from

[0:41:56] Voice 16: the list and the number one project will become the short-term vacation rental and the future

[0:42:04] Voice 16: project lists are just projects that the ltc may consider um when the short-term vacation

[0:42:11] Voice 16: rental project is completed potentially in one year's time yeah

[0:42:18] Trustee Evans (probable): and as i'm looking at the future

[0:42:20] Trustee Evans (probable): list most of the items on here are going to require a lot more um time to get moving and

[0:42:29] Trustee Evans (probable): And I'm hoping that we'll be able to, with one of these, to bring forward to start, depending on how we do with the shorting vacation rental issue,

[0:42:40] Trustee Evans (probable): it may be possible to start one of these, because there are a few in here that are of high importance that we didn't really want to get cracking on,

[0:42:48] Trustee Evans (probable): but it is going to take a lot more time than we have left in this term.

[0:42:53] Voice 6: But there's nothing preventing us from starting it, even though it will run into the next term.

[0:42:58] Voice 6: Right.

[0:42:59] Trustee Evans (probable): The other thing that we could do is take a look at one of these items. If it does require a budget request, we could start staff on doing a business request for the following fiscal year.

[0:43:14] Trustee Evans (probable): I think it's too late to do it for the upcoming one, but we could start it so that there would be the possibility of starting one of these projects as a major project.

[0:43:30] Voice 16: Sure, if I may. So on the follow-up action list, the LTC did request staff to come back with a draft business piece for a targeted OCP review.

[0:43:38] Voice 16: So that

[0:43:38] Voice 16: targeted OCP review would more than likely include some of these topics in the future project.

[0:43:44] Voice 16: So at this time, you do have a draft business case coming for next year.

[0:43:51] Voice 16: And that would

[0:43:52] Voice 16: be a major project, more than

[0:43:54] Voice 16: likely, where the budget is

[0:43:56] Trustee Evans (probable): over $5,000.

[0:43:57] Trustee Evans (probable): Yes. And that's, you know, I'm hoping to be able to get the First Nations language there and a few of the other elements that are in the OCP.

[0:44:05] Trustee Evans (probable): So that would be, that would be, and I believe that there's a few other items that have community interest that we can look at as well.

[0:44:16] Trustee Evans (probable): Just a

[0:44:17] Voice 6: question. Why doesn't that appear in the future projects report?

[0:44:21] Voice 6: forward is it that

[0:44:23] Trustee Evans (probable): was a motion that we passed at the previous meeting to request that they

[0:44:28] Trustee Evans (probable): initiate a business case for a major project for an ocp review so they'll be bringing that

[0:44:34] Trustee Evans (probable): forward i think at the november meeting no

[0:44:37] Voice 16: it will be in the spring in the spring here that's

[0:44:39] Voice 16: right yes so

[0:44:40] Voice 6: so it will end up on yeah

[0:44:42] Voice 16: correction from the old tc by resolution to put that on there

[0:44:45] Voice 16: it's certainly helpful um or if you'd like just to keep it as is that's fine too but if you'd like

[0:44:51] Voice 16: to include a targeted ocp review on your um your upcoming reports or projects

[0:45:00] Voice 6: i'd like to see it

[0:45:02] Voice 6: together so we don't lose track of it and also we may be parsing parts out or you know it may

[0:45:08] Voice 6: be all the laughter that we want to consider when we make priorities and

[0:45:13] Trustee Evans (probable): i think this just helps

[0:45:13] Trustee Evans (probable): with transparency for the community members as well but if we are going to be doing the targeted

[0:45:17] Trustee Evans (probable): OCP review we can have people write in and say you know this is really important we would like

[0:45:24] Trustee Evans (probable): to have this included as part of the review. Great. And we can go from there. So a draft

[0:45:31] Voice 16: motion would read something like the South Pender LTC requests staff to include a targeted OCP review

[0:45:43] Voice 16: you to the future projects report. Would you like to use that wording?

[0:45:50] Voice 6: Yep, I would like to use that

[0:45:51] Voice 6: wording. I'm going to say it's this South Penderel LTC requests the staff to include

[0:45:59] Voice 6: the target review of the OCP review project in the future projects report. That's great.

[0:46:11] Voice 6: Whoa, I got it.

[0:46:13] Trustee Evans (probable): Okay, I will ask staff to read that back once you are ready.

[0:46:18] Voice 5: Sure, that the South Pender Island Local Trust Committee

[0:46:21] Voice 5: requests staff to include a targeted OCP review

[0:46:24] Voice 5: to the future projects report.

[0:46:27] Trustee Evans (probable): Thank you very much.

[0:46:28] Trustee Evans (probable): Any amendments to the wording from anybody?

[0:46:31] Trustee Evans (probable): Not seeing any.

[0:46:32] Trustee Evans (probable): Can I get a seconder?

[0:46:33] Trustee Evans (probable): Okay, I will second it then.

[0:46:42] Trustee Evans (probable): Perfect.

[0:46:42] Trustee Evans (probable): I see Toby, I see Trustee Elliott actually threw her hand up.

[0:46:46] Trustee Evans (probable): i think there's a bit of a delay when the um the audio getting to her and seeing nods there um

[0:46:53] Trustee Evans (probable): okay any discussion um on this not seeing any okay i'll call the vote all those in favor please raise

[0:47:02] Trustee Evans (probable): your hand or say i wait for her i'm not sure if she's frozen um we're calling the vote yes there

[0:47:14] Trustee Evans (probable): we go and uh trustee elliott has raised her hand so that is carried thank you very much so moving

[0:47:24] Trustee Evans (probable): Moving on to the next item, this is the 17.2, which is the Applications Report, I think, yes, dated August 2025, and I will turn this over to, thank you, Steph.

[0:47:42] Voice 16: I'm happy to just quickly go over it. So as I mentioned there's two applications on the South

[0:47:47] Voice 16: Pender open applications report. One is the subdivision application which I'm hoping will

[0:47:54] Voice 16: be wrapped up in the next few months here. The other is a development variance permit that we

[0:48:00] Voice 16: received almost a year ago. It's assigned to planner Bruce Belcher and I know he's actively

[0:48:06] Voice 16: working with the applicant to get the final requirements before this variance is brought

[0:48:12] Voice 16: forward to the LTC. So in hoping that perhaps you'll see that variance application for the

[0:48:19] Voice 16: November meeting. Awesome. Okay.

[0:48:23] Trustee Evans (probable): Any questions or comments on the applications? Not seeing any.

[0:48:30] Trustee Evans (probable): We'll move on then to the trustee and local expense report dated June 2025.

[0:48:37] Trustee Evans (probable): and I think this is received purely for information unless somebody has any questions or concerns

[0:48:47] Trustee Evans (probable): not seeing any then we will accept that for information moving on to 17.4 which is the

[0:48:55] Trustee Evans (probable): adopted policies and standing resolutions section so this is kept in here for us to

[0:49:04] Trustee Evans (probable): see and go through does anyone have any questions comments not seeing them um just a second

[0:49:12] Voice 8: no i'm good okay the

[0:49:19] Trustee Evans (probable): next item we've got the local trust committee web page

[0:49:24] Trustee Evans (probable): so i don't see anything actually in the agenda so i will turn over to staff stockdale

[0:49:30] Trustee Evans (probable): do you have something to say on that um yeah

[0:49:33] Voice 16: i know that you know our website isn't the best but

[0:49:37] Voice 16: but we do try to keep it updated as much as we can.

[0:49:40] Voice 16: I always recommend,

[0:49:42] Voice 16: I try to keep the project's webpage updated

[0:49:46] Voice 16: with staff reports.

[0:49:47] Voice 16: And as soon as we receive information,

[0:49:49] Voice 16: I include it on the webpage.

[0:49:50] Voice 16: So that's a great resource for information.

[0:49:53] Voice 16: If you haven't done so already,

[0:49:55] Voice 16: you may wanna include your email address

[0:49:57] Voice 16: on the email notification list for Southend or LTC,

[0:50:01] Voice 16: because we send out notices for meetings,

[0:50:04] Voice 16: special meetings or anything that is pertinent for constituents to know in

[0:50:10] Voice 16: relation to the local trust committee and I'm happy to answer any questions I

[0:50:17] Voice 16: believe they're still working on the mapping the out facing mapping program I

[0:50:22] Voice 16: don't think that's up and running yet we really hope perhaps it will be a holiday

[0:50:27] Voice 16: present for us all. It's on the

[0:50:29] Voice 15: web page, but no updates there. Okay.

[0:50:33] Voice 6: Yeah, I have a question. I

[0:50:35] Voice 6: searched on the website on the past meetings calendar and tried to, there's a search function

[0:50:44] Voice 6: there. And I also searched for documents on the documents page. And the search on the document

[0:50:52] Voice 6: page worked as kind of intended but the meetings was really messy like it did not um it was missing

[0:51:01] Voice 6: a button yeah and so it was constantly trying to pull up 5 000 meetings and it

[0:51:08] Voice 6: couldn't do that

[0:51:09] Voice 6: while i was entering more search data um so anyway it it needs some attention okay yeah

[0:51:18] Voice 16: I'll make note of that. And Morgana, she's dedicated to the webpage. So perhaps I'll link an email between the three of us trying to see where the error is. It's not perfect. What I've done, if I know exactly what meeting I'm looking for, there's a little calendar on the Minutes website.

[0:51:38] Voice 16: site i just use the back arrow until i get to the right year and month unfortunately that may

[0:51:43] Voice 16: involve many many many clicks but i find this is the quickest way to get there but certainly not

[0:51:49] Voice 16: you

[0:51:49] Voice 6: have to know you have to know the meeting you're looking for yeah um yeah yeah i will

[0:51:55] Voice 15: look into that i

[0:51:56] Voice 6: was also wondering if you could let us know if there's a policy or or what the

[0:52:01] Voice 6: the intent is for the recordings and the all the attachments for the meeting are they intended to

[0:52:09] Voice 6: be available for a forever or for a limited time or it's a really good question like how far back

[0:52:17] Voice 6: can we expect that because i was searching for some confirmation of some past meetings yes i

[0:52:22] Voice 6: couldn't get to the recordings yeah

[0:52:24] Voice 16: the recordings generally started around covid time when we were

[0:52:28] Voice 16: online zoom meetings and i believe we shortly after that put in all the recordings online that

[0:52:34] Voice 16: we could but i guess the bigger question is how long are we going to be keeping those online

[0:52:39] Voice 16: so any recordings post or pre-2020 they generally will not they'll just have the record of the

[0:52:46] Voice 16: meetings uh by the minutes but for those meetings in the last five years that have recordings that's

[0:52:53] Voice 16: a good question how long will they be retained on our webpage for right yeah i

[0:52:58] Voice 6: suggest that two

[0:52:59] Voice 6: terms back yeah would be probably minimal for me yeah because there's you know history of business

[0:53:08] Voice 6: will go at least that long so it's nice to be able to check back and say what did we do there

[0:53:12] Voice 6: or what did they do there or whatever you know yeah i

[0:53:16] Voice 16: will follow up with that and hopefully

[0:53:19] Voice 16: we'll have a response or an answer for the November meeting. Great, awesome.

[0:53:24] Voice 6: Well we appreciate the

[0:53:26] Voice 6: effort at getting it more organized because it has been a frustration for some time too.

[0:53:32] Voice 6: Difficulty of navigating the site. The

[0:53:34] Voice 16: recordings are great because you can go back and listen to

[0:53:37] Voice 16: exactly what has been said because previously when you're trying to interpret minutes they're

[0:53:42] Voice 16: so limited it's difficult so the recordings are fabulous. Right. It's not a requirement

[0:53:47] Voice 16: requirement for the audience trust to post our videos or recordings online, but we do it as a convenience.

[0:53:57] Voice 6: I think

[0:53:57] Voice 16: it's very useful.

[0:53:58] Voice 16: I do

[0:53:59] Trustee Evans (probable): too. Yeah, I think it's definitely.

[0:54:02] Trustee Evans (probable): All right. Any other comments on the committee webpage?

[0:54:09] Trustee Evans (probable): Okay, not seeing any other.

[0:54:12] Trustee Evans (probable): We're now moving into 17.6, which is the Reconciliation and First Nation Relationship Building.

[0:54:17] Trustee Evans (probable): You know, we don't have a normal standing report that is delivered by one of our community

[0:54:22] Trustee Evans (probable): members.

[0:54:22] Trustee Evans (probable): But before we get there, I'm just going to ask Ms. Elliott if she has additional, any

[0:54:27] Trustee Evans (probable): additional reporting that she'd like to make.

[0:54:35] Voice 21: I can report that at Trust Council, executive committees just reviewed the agenda, and it's

[0:54:45] Voice 21: going online today um

[0:54:48] Voice 34: but an interesting item related to reconciliation is the list of

[0:54:56] Voice 32: protocol agreements uh with first nations uh

[0:55:02] Voice 21: ones that are in the process um previously trust

[0:55:06] Voice 21: council had requested um a full list of all agreements coordination agreements agreements

[0:55:13] Voice 21: between regional districts and local trust committees and also First Nations

[0:55:19] Voice 21: protocol and relationship agreements so it's quite a good update there and

[0:55:25] Voice 21: there's been interest and I'll start let and say come First Nations protocol

[0:55:32] Voice 21: agreement so I'm

[0:55:34] Voice 19: just happy to report that we continue to work with

[0:55:37] Voice 19: establishing these relationship agreements as nations are interested.

[0:55:40] Voice 19: Thank you

[0:55:43] Trustee Evans (probable): very much. Okay, do you have anything else on this section? If not, I will ask our

[0:55:52] Trustee Evans (probable): committee, our president, Paul Pucci, to come and provide his report on... Oh, sorry, Monica,

[0:56:02] Trustee Evans (probable): I do like your voice. Thank

[0:56:04] Voice 2: you, Christina. DAG apparently has a few hard comments of this.

[0:56:13] Voice 2: um and what i would like to say is that in recognition of orange shirt day national day

[0:56:21] Voice 2: of truth and reconciliation this day's truth and reconciliation circle will hold a special public

[0:56:28] Voice 2: presentation by say elder mavis underwood and josephine henry on september 27th which is a

[0:56:38] Voice 2: saturday here from one to three o'clock and we encourage community members to come and healer

[0:56:49] Voice 2: from these two exceptional women who happen to be mother and daughter

[0:56:56] Voice 2: mavis is an elected seo council member and she's a phd candidate in anthropology at ubic

[0:57:06] Voice 2: and Josephine is in the master's program at UVic for the Tsimshon language development and teaches

[0:57:15] Voice 2: at the tribal school. So I think that we will have a very interesting and engaging day with

[0:57:28] Voice 2: those two. There's another article in the Pender Post from Chris Walkaluck Stories that brought

[0:57:38] Voice 2: brought you here, which is, he has recorded a number of the elders, the Saanich elders,

[0:57:49] Voice 2: including Hereditary Chief Pelkey, and these interviews are available on that website,

[0:57:59] Voice 2: the stories that brought you here, and they again are very engaging and interesting stories

[0:58:05] Voice 2: to listen to, to help us to understand the worldview of our neighbors on the peninsula.

[0:58:18] Voice 2: Chief Pelkey was intending to be here today, but because of a family death, he has had

[0:58:27] Voice 2: to be away.

[0:58:29] Voice 2: We note that the trust has received a letter from Chief Pelkey providing his preliminary

[0:58:36] Voice 2: perspective on bylaw 129 and that's available in the binder I believe as is

[0:58:48] Voice 2: a letter from the Elder Council and Chief Pelkey states his concerns it's

[0:59:02] Voice 2: It's also possible to look on the Husseinich Leadership Council website to get Chief Pelkey's

[0:59:12] Voice 2: recognition of the traditional knowledge of the Douglas Treaty, which guarantees basic

[0:59:22] Voice 2: rights in their territories, which includes our island.

[0:59:28] Voice 2: Toby, I hope you were able to hear that all right.

[0:59:31] Voice 2: and I was hoping for a larger audience to hear about this but needs must thank

[0:59:41] Voice 2: you

[0:59:41] Trustee Evans (probable): yeah the additional information or moments on this section any questions

[0:59:53] Trustee Evans (probable): for Monica

[1:00:00] Trustee Evans (probable): Thank you very much, Monica. I appreciate your work.

[1:00:04] Trustee Evans (probable): We're now moving on to 17.7, which is the Addams Trust Conservancy Report dated March and June 2025.

[1:00:14] Trustee Evans (probable): And that starts on page 103 in the agenda.

[1:00:18] Trustee Evans (probable): I'm not sure if someone wants to speak to that or if we're just receiving it for information.

[1:00:24] Trustee Evans (probable): I don't have anything.

[1:00:32] Trustee Evans (probable): Okay, then we will receive that for information.

[1:00:34] Trustee Evans (probable): and then we are going on to new business now it's starting on page 107 and these are we have a couple

[1:00:48] Trustee Evans (probable): of requests for decisions here the first one is a south panda island ltc meetings procedure

[1:00:54] Trustee Evans (probable): repeal final 113 so that's uh i guess did we have we didn't have to speak to this i'm

[1:01:10] Voice 16: happy just to

[1:01:11] Voice 16: do a quick overview i wasn't involved in it but i can just highlight what's in the request for

[1:01:16] Voice 16: decision in the agenda

[1:01:17] Voice 16: great thank you chair so on page 107 of the agenda there's a request for

[1:01:23] Voice 16: decision based on a recent meeting procedures bylaw that was adopted by trust council on june

[1:01:34] Voice 16: of this year 2025 and under section 11 of the islands trust act a trust council meeting

[1:01:43] Voice 16: procedures bylaw for local trust committees could override any local trust committee meeting

[1:01:49] Voice 16: procedure bylaws in the event of a conflict so the islands trust council has adopted a meeting

[1:01:57] Voice 16: procedure bylaw that overrides the current South Pender LTC bylaw. As Trust Council's LTC meeting

[1:02:06] Voice 16: procedure bylaw contains all the procedures that are in the local trust committee meeting procedure

[1:02:12] Voice 16: bylaw and the LTC meeting procedures bylaw are not redundant. So to avoid any confusion and to have

[1:02:20] Voice 16: two bylaws that say the same thing. Staff recommend that the South Pender Island

[1:02:27] Voice 16: committee meeting procedures bylaw is repealed. So there are recommendations on page 107 to give

[1:02:34] Voice 16: first reading, second reading, third reading, and then to forward the bylaw to executive

[1:02:41] Voice 16: committee for consideration. So the outcome, if this bylaw is adopted by the LTC, what it would

[1:02:49] Voice 16: do is it would repeal the current south pender island ltc meeting procedures by law and that

[1:02:56] Voice 16: the trust council meeting procedure by law would be used uh

[1:03:02] Voice 19: go ahead uh

[1:03:04] Voice 6: yeah i voted against this

[1:03:06] Voice 6: at the trust council um and even though the the our local bylaw is similar if not identical right

[1:03:18] Voice 6: it now. I feel like it goes against the principle. I'm

[1:03:24] Trustee Evans (probable): just going to interrupt. I believe once we

[1:03:26] Trustee Evans (probable): have made a decision as Trust Council, we are obliged to support it. So I believe, and I would

[1:03:37] Trustee Evans (probable): have to ask for advice here, whether or not we can date which way you voted after the decision

[1:03:43] Trustee Evans (probable): he has been made and speak against it once trust counsel has voted for it are

[1:03:49] Voice 16: they noted in the

[1:03:49] Voice 16: minutes of trust counsel who was opposed i

[1:03:52] Trustee Evans (probable): don't know that it was um can't

[1:03:57] Voice 30: dad speak to the public

[1:03:58] Voice 30: meeting about his views there's

[1:04:00] Trustee Evans (probable): there's um i'm talking now about uh um once a decision has been

[1:04:06] Trustee Evans (probable): made as a council body all council members need to be supportive of it as

[1:04:12] Voice 30: a matter of law

[1:04:14] Voice 30: Well, so the legal counsel for guns, Justice Bill Holzer, right?

[1:04:19] Trustee Evans (probable): No, we're going to, I'm asking staff right now.

[1:04:23] Trustee Evans (probable): So we're going to just get clarification on that.

[1:04:25] Trustee Evans (probable): I'm just pausing prior to any misstep.

[1:04:31] Voice 16: And I'm not sure Trustee Elliott knows the answer to this.

[1:04:34] Voice 16: I'm just going to quickly look up the minutes to see if perhaps they were included.

[1:04:38] Voice 16: So just give me one moment.

[1:04:39] Trustee Evans (probable): Yeah, and I'm just doing this for protection, not to, not to, um, quash the voices

[1:04:46] Voice 19: of our community.

[1:04:46] Voice 19: The other question

[1:04:46] Voice 19: has never been answered.

[1:04:48] Voice 19: The other person has answered with an order.

[1:04:51] Voice 19: Yes.

[1:04:54] Voice 19: Um, and it was at the...

[1:04:57] Voice 19: June, yes.

[1:05:03] Trustee Evans (probable): Toby, do you know off the top of your head?

[1:05:09] Voice 21: There are nuances.

[1:05:10] Voice 21: responses. Generally, when an elected body has made a decision, it's not that nobody

[1:05:20] Voice 32: can speak against that decision afterwards. But I think it's safe to say the reasons that

[1:05:36] Voice 32: this read however you cannot continue to debate uh a notion once it's settled by the elected body

[1:05:46] Voice 32: so it's

[1:05:47] Voice 34: about revisiting motion already been settled it cannot be re-debated

[1:05:57] Voice 34: okay

[1:06:00] Trustee Evans (probable): you're breaking up a bit there but i do believe

[1:06:02] Voice 6: my reasons why

[1:06:03] Voice 6: if

[1:06:05] Trustee Evans (probable): you

[1:06:07] Voice 6: understood can you

[1:06:08] Trustee Evans (probable): repeat so i believe um what she's phrasing is once a decision has

[1:06:13] Trustee Evans (probable): been made there are nuances to what can be said afterwards if you wish to um speak from a personal

[1:06:22] Trustee Evans (probable): position without getting into which way you voted or where you disagreed with the um

[1:06:30] Trustee Evans (probable): the reasons for the decision,

[1:06:36] Trustee Evans (probable): if you can remove yourself from that conversation

[1:06:39] Trustee Evans (probable): and only speak to personal position today,

[1:06:45] Trustee Evans (probable): that I think is perfectly okay.

[1:06:51] Voice 6: Right.

[1:06:51] Voice 6: So we're being asked to consider the recommendations

[1:06:57] Voice 6: to vote for the first read first second third reading and so on right so that would be me

[1:07:07] Voice 6: voting in favor which I do not wish to do and for me to not vote in favor I think I should have the

[1:07:16] Voice 6: opportunity to speak to why why I don't support it okay so that's what was my attempt and if the

[1:07:24] Voice 6: If the fact of how I voted is a contentious, you know, not the procedure that we can say that, then I can withdraw that.

[1:07:36] Voice 6: I

[1:07:36] Trustee Evans (probable): think what you can do today is you can say, so right now we have two, South Pendik has now two local trust committee meeting procedures.

[1:07:46] Trustee Evans (probable): We've got our local trust committee meeting procedure and we've got the trust council meeting procedures.

[1:07:52] Trustee Evans (probable): so the question in front of us is do we keep both that are um the trust council has everything that

[1:08:03] Trustee Evans (probable): we've got in the local one already in there plus it has additional um so we can't vote not to have

[1:08:12] Trustee Evans (probable): the trust council once we have it that's that that's done but what we can say is everything

[1:08:18] Trustee Evans (probable): Everything that is in the local trust committee meeting procedures by law is also captured

[1:08:25] Trustee Evans (probable): in the trust council one.

[1:08:29] Trustee Evans (probable): So do we need both?

[1:08:31] Trustee Evans (probable): That's the question before us.

[1:08:33] Trustee Evans (probable): The additions to the trust council one include the release of the agenda two days before

[1:08:41] Trustee Evans (probable): the agenda deadline.

[1:08:42] Trustee Evans (probable): So that was a resolution through Trust Council that is not captured in Local 1.

[1:08:50] Trustee Evans (probable): And this is where it's going to be difficult. We're changing the notification of meetings from calendar year to fiscal year.

[1:08:55] Trustee Evans (probable): So Trust Council has moved to fiscal year. We're still in calendar year.

[1:08:59] Trustee Evans (probable): So there is a discrepancy there. So that could mean that we have to release the agenda twice.

[1:09:04] Trustee Evans (probable): So that could pose a problem.

[1:09:07] Trustee Evans (probable): We're also adding in an allowance for a minimum of two required annual meetings of the Executive Committee acting as Local Trust Committee to be in person or electronically.

[1:09:18] Trustee Evans (probable): We didn't have that in our other one. So without that, it makes it difficult to know how often Chair Elliott can be electronic or has to be in person.

[1:09:28] Trustee Evans (probable): person and then there was some other wording amendments so the question is do we keep both

[1:09:37] Trustee Evans (probable): and if you don't agree with keeping both or if if the question is do we rescind

[1:09:47] Trustee Evans (probable): the south henda version and only have the trust council or we keep both and why would you argue

[1:09:56] Trustee Evans (probable): you to keep both?

[1:10:00] Voice 6: That's a question. Okay. Well, to me, what's important is that we have the

[1:10:06] Voice 6: opportunity to voice our thinking on, you know, things that affect our LTC. And what I'm looking

[1:10:18] Voice 6: for is an option to express my disagreement with this, because, and I think this is important,

[1:10:27] Voice 6: I think that the autonomy of all the LTCs in the all-trust area is threatened by this

[1:10:38] Voice 6: move, and it's a done deal, so I'm not speaking to try to change that, but I am wanting the

[1:10:47] Voice 6: minutes to reflect how somebody tried to protect the autonomy of this LTC and failed.

[1:10:55] Voice 6: failed, that's what I want. If I fail, it seems like I didn't.

[1:11:02] Voice 6: And

[1:11:02] Trustee Evans (probable): I think I'm coming at this from a different perspective. I don't believe that the autonomy

[1:11:08] Trustee Evans (probable): of Southpender is affected by the meeting procedures, like how we conduct, like what

[1:11:18] Trustee Evans (probable): rules apply to how we conduct business. I don't think that that undermines our autonomy.

[1:11:25] Trustee Evans (probable): It's the decorum rules, it's how the chairs, it's how respect within the meeting is provided,

[1:11:38] Trustee Evans (probable): how information comes in.

[1:11:41] Trustee Evans (probable): I don't feel that the autonomy-

[1:11:43] Trustee Evans (probable): Chair,

[1:11:44] Voice 21: I have to interrupt.

[1:11:45] Voice 21: Chair, point of order.

[1:11:47] Voice 21: You are actually in danger of re-debating the actual content and the merits of the meeting

[1:11:53] Voice 21: procedure bylaw and that's what we cannot do is re-debate the matter. The point is trustee Falk

[1:12:01] Voice 21: can vote against a repeal bylaw if he chooses. Absolutely. So we're just not going to re-debate

[1:12:10] Voice 21: the value and merits of a trial account meeting procedure bylaw.

[1:12:18] Voice 21: procedure by law okay

[1:12:20] Trustee Evans (probable): so i'm going to take your

[1:12:23] Trustee Evans (probable): sorry thanks i'm going to take your point of order that i was straying into areas of

[1:12:29] Trustee Evans (probable): re-debating the merits of the meeting procedures by law that was not my intent i appreciate your

[1:12:37] Trustee Evans (probable): point of order i will try and rephrase what i was saying i was um trying to address that i do not

[1:12:45] Trustee Evans (probable): believe the autonomy of self-panda meeting is affected through this. So I

[1:12:57] Trustee Evans (probable): don't believe it's affected by keeping two sets of meeting procedures vitals or

[1:13:03] Trustee Evans (probable): just the one. Trustee Elliott, do you have anything to add to this discussion?

[1:13:21] Voice 21: We shouldn't create something that's been considered by a body. Thank you.

[1:13:28] Trustee Evans (probable): all right so then okay um if there's no further discussion on the item i will ask that we

[1:13:46] Trustee Evans (probable): if somebody is willing to read the first uh motion you

[1:14:04] Voice 34: see elliot i it

[1:14:11] Voice 21: is delayed so i'll

[1:14:12] Voice 21: keep my view off

[1:14:13] Voice 32: i

[1:14:14] Voice 21: move that this tender i think we

[1:14:25] Voice 19: lost it i think

[1:14:35] Trustee Evans (probable): we lost it and based on that

[1:14:37] Trustee Evans (probable): i think we're going to have to postpone this until she arrives um and i think the same is

[1:14:45] Trustee Evans (probable): going to have to happen for 18.2 which is also a request for decision so based on that um i guess

[1:14:52] Trustee Evans (probable): is i'm going to throw my pen on the floor um based on that i'm going to postpone in section 18 until

[1:14:59] Trustee Evans (probable): after trustee elliott arrives here and can take over as chair and we can finish the rest of the

[1:15:07] Trustee Evans (probable): business items after the community information section and the uh the um public hearing chair

[1:15:15] Voice 16: evans if i may would it be helpful when we reconvene the meeting to just go right into 18.1

[1:15:21] Voice 16: and 18.2 so those are done before the start of the land use bylaw amendment i just fear that if we

[1:15:27] Voice 16: don't address it now it may not be addressed at today's meeting but the ltc can decide to

[1:15:34] Voice 16: desert defer decision on 18.1 and 18.2 until the november meeting is needed i just wanted to point

[1:15:40] Voice 16: that out that we may not be able to come back to 18.1 and 18.2 but there's a consideration

[1:15:47] Voice 16: we can

[1:15:48] Trustee Evans (probable): we've no decision needed we can we can decide that once trustee elliott takes over his chair

[1:15:54] Trustee Evans (probable): and then she can make that decision for you because we still also have section 16 as well

[1:15:59] Trustee Evans (probable): to bring back yeah so we've got two sections to bring back so based on that i'm going to say that

[1:16:07] Trustee Evans (probable): we pause for a break until chair elliott until trustee elliott can get here to take over his

[1:16:13] Trustee Evans (probable): chair which should be about 12 30 um so with that i am going to ask staff if you can make a post on

[1:16:23] Trustee Evans (probable): the web page to say that we're taking a break i'll give everybody the freedom to there we go

[1:16:36] Trustee Evans (probable): thank you so much so we're recessing until 12 30 and i will let everybody go and thank you very

[1:16:43] Trustee Evans (probable): much for your patience during our regular business meeting and for your contributions

[1:16:48] Trustee Evans (probable): we'll see you again at 12 30 can

[1:16:52] Voice 3: i just ask um trustee felk if you could um mute and turn off

[1:16:58] Voice 3: your camera during the break and then i can just leave this message out for people who tune into

[1:17:03] Voice 3: the live stream yeah thank

[1:17:05] Voice 3: you and then just yeah when you're ready remember to turn it back on

[1:17:09] Voice 3: thank you thank you

[1:17:15] you

[1:17:22] Voice 22: know

[1:17:27] Voice 6: which which um fairy she's on because i can check it

[1:17:31] Voice 6: soon

[1:17:32] Voice 5: and

[1:17:35] Voice 22: let you know which

[1:43:27] Voice 22: I'm doing my job that's that's also full

[1:43:30] Trustee Evans (probable): time well it's a lot of things we're all ready

[1:43:39] Voice 8: can you hear us

[1:43:41] Voice 8: yes

[1:43:42] Voice 5: I can thank you great

[1:43:44] Voice 6: so we're live here now then yep perfect

[1:43:48] Voice 26: That's good.

[1:43:49] Voice 26: I guess I know, but it's loaded on these.

[1:43:52] Voice 26: That

[1:43:56] Voice 32: went nice, didn't it, Jeff?

[1:43:58] Voice 24: I think we have a question for Senator Horvitz.

[1:44:01] Voice 24: Yes.

[1:44:01] Voice 24: Sure.

[1:44:02] Voice 8: I don't know if that's where it has to start though.

[1:44:03] Voice 24: Yeah.

[1:44:04] Voice 24: Yeah.

[1:44:05] Voice 8: Is there anything new?

[1:44:06] Voice 8: That's a little plus for you.

[1:44:07] Voice 8: I'm trying to definitely do a poster,

[1:44:08] Voice 8: but I think it was a poster.

[1:44:10] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:44:11] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:44:11] Voice 8: Oh, thank you.

[1:44:12] Voice 25: Thank

[1:44:13] Voice 8: you very much.

[1:44:13] Voice 8: Goodbye.

[1:44:14] Voice 8: Good night.

[1:44:15] Voice 23: Good night.

[1:44:16] Voice 23: Good night.

[1:44:17] Voice 8: Good night.

[1:44:18] Voice 8: Good night.

[1:44:19] Voice 8: Good night.

[1:44:25] Voice 8: all right

[1:44:27] Voice 21: is everybody ready

[1:44:30] Voice 21: it's

[1:44:31] Voice 8: good yeah oh yeah

[1:44:37] Voice 8: emily

[1:44:38] Voice 21: do we have the live streaming uh going on again yes we do thank you

[1:44:44] Voice 21: um so we'll recall this uh meeting to order um and i'll start by sincerely apologizing i am so

[1:44:54] Voice 21: sorry to the south pender community my fellow trustees and to staff to have caused you all

[1:44:59] Voice 21: such inconvenience and workarounds and really it's a credit to um how well we've learned to

[1:45:07] Voice 21: work together that my incredible lapse of i slept through two or three alarms this morning

[1:45:13] Voice 21: at 4 a.m and I was just exhausted so it's a very human experience and I but I am sincerely sorry

[1:45:20] Voice 21: for all the inconvenience um and thank you so much in chair and uh day for setting up the equipment

[1:45:28] Voice 21: and staff for working around this but um we wanted to carry on did you have a question um

[1:45:35] Voice 21: I just wanted to ask if you could people could be sure to project because I have some hearing loss

[1:45:40] Voice 21: us absolutely okay so let us maybe just raise your hand if we're not speaking loud enough and

[1:45:45] Voice 21: you can go sit close if you like um so we've reordered the agenda so that we could start

[1:45:51] Voice 21: the community information meeting now at 12 30 and then move into the public hearing and i'll

[1:45:57] Voice 21: just take a moment to explain the difference between the two that's quite a privilege when

[1:46:02] Trustee Evans (probable): we ask for people to not do side chatting because i struggle to hear conversations when there's

[1:46:08] Trustee Evans (probable): multiple ones going on right so if

[1:46:11] Voice 21: we could keep our side chatter to a minimum this hall is echoey

[1:46:15] Voice 21: um and it helps us all to hear so um so the community information meeting um this is the

[1:46:22] Voice 21: opportunity for discussion not that there hasn't been a lot of discussion but if you have clarifying

[1:46:27] Voice 21: questions that you want to ask trustees the planner about the proposed bylaw 129 uh 129 yes

[1:46:36] Voice 21: um that's this is the opportunity for back and forth and trustees can also ask questions and we

[1:46:42] Voice 21: want to make sure that everything is clearly understood before we head into a public hearing

[1:46:49] Voice 21: so the public hearing is this quasi-judicial process that is very strictly um procedurally

[1:46:56] Voice 21: followed and that's to ensure the integrity of the bylaw creation process and bylaws can be

[1:47:04] Voice 21: overturned if that integrity is a question. And so we want to make sure to follow the process quite

[1:47:11] Voice 21: strictly. And so when I open the public hearing, the purpose of that is just for your elected

[1:47:19] Voice 21: trustees to listen. We will not be engaging in back and forth. We can answer, we won't even

[1:47:28] Voice 21: and answer questions we are just listening to you trustees may ask you a clarifying question

[1:47:34] Voice 21: about your point of view but really the public hearing is a structured place where we're just

[1:47:41] Voice 21: here to listen and take in all that information okay so is that clear does anyone have any

[1:47:46] Voice 21: questions well thanks oh

[1:47:51] Trustee Evans (probable): yes sorry hello good question so again just for clarity the community

[1:47:58] Trustee Evans (probable): information meeting portion is for clarifying questions to come from members of the public

[1:48:05] Voice 25: and

[1:48:06] Trustee Evans (probable): for the trustees to share information with the public yeah this is not the this is not the

[1:48:14] Trustee Evans (probable): time or place to stand and and state your position for the bylaw that's that's only for the public

[1:48:23] Trustee Evans (probable): meeting thanks though it's only for questions and clarification or requests for information

[1:48:28] Trustee Evans (probable): thank

[1:48:29] Voice 21: you for raising that yes so i might stop you or say can you hold that statement

[1:48:36] Voice 21: until the public hearing if you're about to say i'm for bylaw 129 or i'm against it for these

[1:48:43] Voice 21: reasons i will ask you to say to to hold on because the place for that is really in the

[1:48:48] Voice 21: public hearing okay so this is really just time for information is there anything about this by

[1:48:54] Voice 21: law that's unclear is there anything that you don't understand yes i have one question is the

[1:49:01] Voice 21: site set back now going to be 10 feet so let's ask that when we start the community information

[1:49:07] Voice 21: i just want to make sure there's no questions about the process at this point and then you

[1:49:12] Voice 33: can ask

[1:49:12] Voice 21: so that's a question for the community information yeah the community information

[1:49:17] Voice 21: information. Great question. Any questions about the process? No? Great.

[1:49:26] Trustee Evans (probable): Yes. I was just going to

[1:49:27] Trustee Evans (probable): ask if we're able to read out some information statements at the beginning.

[1:49:34] Voice 21: Yep. Why don't we

[1:49:37] Voice 21: give the community the opportunity to ask their questions first? What information statements are

[1:49:44] Trustee Evans (probable): I've had a lot of residents writing and asking for rationale like I've got I mean I can do it

[1:49:53] Voice 21: whenever so the third part of this process our rationale or the LTC's debate about

[1:50:03] Voice 21: as we consider the proposed bylaw comes after the public hearing final stock deal what do you think

[1:50:15] Voice 21: about trustees sort of making framing statements or putting forward a position during the community

[1:50:25] Voice 21: information meeting i'm not no

[1:50:27] Trustee Evans (probable): i'm not looking to make a position okay not doing that i'm providing

[1:50:31] Trustee Evans (probable): finding information from questions that have been raised by community members okay i can do that at

[1:50:39] Trustee Evans (probable): the end absolutely yeah

[1:50:41] Voice 21: i think we'll give the opportunity to community first and then our

[1:50:44] Voice 21: trustees can respond to questions that have come from community um in that time that'd be great

[1:50:50] Voice 21: yeah okay so any more questions about process no so let's oh just would you

[1:50:57] Voice 16: like um myself to

[1:50:59] Voice 16: lead with an introduction yes okay i'm

[1:51:02] Voice 6: sorry what's your call

[1:51:04] Voice 6: um town hall and questions

[1:51:06] Voice 6: we delayed that or

[1:51:07] Voice 21: yeah so

[1:51:08] Voice 6: where does that fit in uh

[1:51:10] Voice 21: there was one question i heard from the

[1:51:13] Voice 21: town hall no the

[1:51:14] Trustee Evans (probable): question was are we going to have the town hall before the community information

[1:51:18] Trustee Evans (probable): was oh so we

[1:51:20] Voice 21: did not have the town hall

[1:51:21] Voice 21: we did not correct oh thank you sorry i missed that

[1:51:23] Voice 21: um i think because we scheduled the community information meeting to start at 12 30

[1:51:30] Voice 21: we should proceed with that that's everybody's expectation now um so we'll do town hall on other

[1:51:38] Voice 21: matters on the ltc agenda afterwards is that all right i think it was yeah

[1:51:44] Voice 17: sure i think i think

[1:51:45] Voice 17: the question was if we're going to have a town hall for the community information meeting

[1:51:49] Voice 17: it's kind of the same thing i kind of think it might be

[1:51:51] Voice 21: yeah i mean town hall and questions

[1:51:53] Voice 21: is a standing item on our agenda where you can ask us any questions or speak about anything

[1:51:58] Voice 21: but really the community information meeting will just be related to the proposed bylaw

[1:52:03] Voice 21: so and that's the matter that we're here to consider at 12 30 so i'd like to move into that

[1:52:09] Voice 21: first we'll turn it over to planner stocksville to give us some uh context and set things up

[1:52:16] Voice 21: invite your questions thank

[1:52:19] Voice 16: you chair elliott uh so we're here today for the minor land use

[1:52:24] Voice 16: bylaw project that was initiated in november of 2023 with the endorsement of the project charter

[1:52:33] Voice 16: the focus of the project is to review amendments made to the land use bylaw by a previous land use

[1:52:42] Voice 16: by-law amendment by-law number 122 and to review any other minor and technical land use by-law

[1:52:50] Voice 16: amendments the south pender ltc based the early engagement process of this project the first phase

[1:52:58] Voice 16: started with trustee-led workshops that had targeted topics and those were informal conversations

[1:53:06] Voice 16: between trustees and community members.

[1:53:08] Voice 16: The second phase of the engagement involved

[1:53:12] Voice 16: two community information meetings in April of 2024.

[1:53:17] Voice 16: And the third phase was a referral

[1:53:20] Voice 16: to the South Pender Advisory Planning Commission

[1:53:24] Voice 16: for their comments on specific aspects of the project.

[1:53:28] Voice 16: And those specific topics requested from the LTC

[1:53:33] Voice 16: to the APC for comments regarding the setback from the natural boundary of the

[1:53:39] Voice 16: sea, the interior side lot line setbacks for rural residential zone dwellings and

[1:53:45] Voice 16: cottages, and also the total floor area and maximum floor area for dwellings.

[1:53:52] Voice 16: Staff then prepared a draft by-law incorporating the direction from the LTC

[1:53:58] Voice 16: and also incorporating comments received from the engagement phases with community members

[1:54:04] Voice 16: and also comments from the APC.

[1:54:08] Voice 16: So the draft bylaw includes retaining the setback to the natural boundary of the C,

[1:54:15] Voice 16: but amending the clause that's in that regulation by removing the words,

[1:54:21] Voice 16: a certification from an appropriately qualified person and replacing it with substantive evidence

[1:54:29] Voice 16: to establish. I know those seem like really odd words, but when you read the actual bylaw itself,

[1:54:35] Voice 16: the consolidated bylaw, that section would make a little bit more sense than me reading out these

[1:54:40] Voice 16: words. I know it's hard to follow along. Further amendments include amendments to the height

[1:54:46] Voice 16: regulation for dwellings and cottages by removing the words at no point may a dwelling or cottage

[1:54:53] Voice 16: exceed 9.2 meters or 30 feet in height. Amendments to the shipping container regulations by changing

[1:55:02] Voice 16: the lot size regulation or requirements. Amendments to the recreational vehicles

[1:55:08] Voice 16: regulations to add clarity. Amendments to revert the setback from exterior and interior side lot

[1:55:16] Voice 16: lot line for dwelling and cottages from 20 feet which is currently in the land use bylaw to 10

[1:55:21] Voice 16: feet and also amendments to the agriculture zone and amendments to the regulations for

[1:55:30] Voice 16: unlicensed vehicles. At the May 2nd meeting of this year the LTC made amendments further

[1:55:37] Voice 16: amendments in regards to maximum floor area for the rural residential agriculture forestry and

[1:55:45] Voice 16: natural resource zone so you'll see that in the proposed bylaw number 129. At this meeting the

[1:55:51] Voice 16: LTC also gave first reading to bylaw 129 and also determined that the bylaw is not contrary to or at

[1:55:59] Voice 16: variance with the island's trust policy statement. A special meeting was held in the summer on July

[1:56:07] Voice 16: 4th for the LTC to review the bylaw and all the amendments that they previously made.

[1:56:12] Voice 16: no further amendments were made to this bylaw at the July 4th meeting although the LTC did

[1:56:19] Voice 16: request staff to report back on some matters and those are included in the staff report in

[1:56:25] Voice 16: today's agenda and those are generally around unlicensed vehicles and further recommendations

[1:56:31] Voice 16: on agricultural recommendation or regulations based on comments that the LTC received from

[1:56:38] Voice 16: the Agricultural Land Commission and today as you I'm sure you're aware we're here for a scheduled

[1:56:44] Voice 16: community information meeting and public hearing and again the purpose of the community information

[1:56:50] Voice 16: portion right now is for community members to ask questions as mentioned the public hearing is where

[1:56:57] Voice 16: you either state your opposition or your support for the proposed bylaw and then those are included

[1:57:05] Voice 16: on the public record now after the close of the public hearing so the public hearing will happen

[1:57:11] Voice 16: next which means that's when the chair will call for first seconder and thirds and then the meeting

[1:57:18] Voice 16: the public hearing will close after that point the ltc may not consider any new information or

[1:57:25] Voice 16: material which includes discussion from community members and the reason for this is to protect the

[1:57:32] Voice 16: rights of the public to be informed about and comment on all the information and material

[1:57:38] Voice 16: that's considered by the LTC when making a decision on the bylaw. So at this point in time

[1:57:46] Voice 16: that is my introduction to the community information meeting. I have put on the far

[1:57:51] Voice 16: corner there there is a clipboard where you can sign your name if you want to ask questions to

[1:57:58] Voice 16: the ltc just write your name down there and then we can take questions from that i also have a

[1:58:04] Voice 16: speakers list for the public hearing but i'll put that over in the corner when we get to the public

[1:58:09] Voice 16: hearing portion so right now if you have any questions to the ltc regarding the project

[1:58:14] Voice 16: or for the bylaw you can certainly put your name up there on the list should we bring that up here

[1:58:20] Trustee Evans (probable): i think we can read it so we can know and then if anyone else wants to come sign up they can

[1:58:26] Trustee Evans (probable): and do so over here.

[1:59:02] Voice 8: yes so we thought that once those increases okay

[1:59:05] Voice 21: so you're not pushing to the west okay

[1:59:09] Voice 21: we have three names so far does anybody else wish to add their name to ask a question

[1:59:17] Voice 21: you can raise your hand um

[1:59:21] Voice 21: that's just to ask a question you're not just letting us just put our hands up

[1:59:25] Voice 21: this helps us chaos i mean

[1:59:29] Voice 21: we were i honestly i was expecting a very full house so that would

[1:59:32] Voice 21: would sort of help us keep going.

[1:59:33] Voice 19: Well, we changed the time.

[1:59:35] Voice 19: That's not the way to do it.

[1:59:36] Voice 19: I

[1:59:36] Voice 21: know, and I'm very sorry.

[1:59:39] Voice 21: So the first name is Robert Dill, I believe.

[1:59:43] Voice 21: Yes.

[1:59:44] Voice 12: Well, I have a question in relationship

[1:59:47] Voice 12: to the existing bylaw, whether there have been

[1:59:52] Voice 12: and how many requests for...

[2:00:01] Voice 12: for buildings that don't abide by it.

[2:00:05] Voice 12: I'm just curious why you would change the existing bylaw

[2:00:11] Voice 12: and if there's 100 people that are saying we can't build within that

[2:00:17] Voice 12: or there's two, it would make a difference.

[2:00:20] Voice 12: And I'm just wondering if anyone has that information.

[2:00:23] Voice 21: Good question.

[2:00:25] Voice 21: Well, as we know, there were two applications for variances.

[2:00:30] Voice 21: at the 2023 yes um

[2:00:34] Voice 21: which were um issued um so to my knowledge those are the only two

[2:00:40] Voice 21: um pieces that came to to the local trust committee to request a variance based on

[2:00:47] Voice 21: bylaw 114 um was there anything else that's

[2:00:52] Trustee Evans (probable): come through um so sorry just to clarify your question

[2:00:56] Trustee Evans (probable): and you just want to know how many variances were requested during that since that came into place

[2:01:01] Voice 12: or are people that have said we can't build because of the existing situation but i assume

[2:01:07] Voice 12: they would ask for a variance that they couldn't but i think

[2:01:11] Voice 12: there's only two so far only two so

[2:01:13] Trustee Evans (probable): far but again we'd have to look at how many properties underwent the starting construction

[2:01:19] Trustee Evans (probable): during that time frame as well um which i don't believe that information too um and as far as

[2:01:25] Trustee Evans (probable): people saying that they weren't able to build under that restriction. Well that's hard to say

[2:01:30] Trustee Evans (probable): if people were purchasing a property and that turned them off and they didn't purchase a

[2:01:36] Trustee Evans (probable): property. We're not going to hear that and yeah so the way your question is framed,

[2:01:47] Trustee Evans (probable): part of that information we're not going to receive and the other part again

[2:01:57] Trustee Evans (probable): i'm trying i've got lockjaw right now so it makes it a little difficult

[2:02:02] Trustee Evans (probable): we're married we are married i've got lockjaw he's got a broken rib and i apparently can't

[2:02:07] Voice 21: hear my alarm he's

[2:02:09] Trustee Evans (probable): deaf um yeah so i'm just saying it's difficult to add to really uh give

[2:02:17] Trustee Evans (probable): a good answer to that because half that information we're not going to receive

[2:02:21] Trustee Evans (probable): The other part of that information would require other information that like how many people had started to build since it came into effect, and I don't have that number either so I mean it could be 50% required a variance.

[2:02:37] Trustee Evans (probable): It could be 12% because I don't know because I don't know how many people started building in that timeframe.

[2:02:43] Trustee Evans (probable): frame so it's that's um out of context that question doesn't really i think get to the

[2:02:54] Trustee Evans (probable): crux of maybe what your question wants to be um

[2:03:05] Voice 6: i'm a little uncertain as to the procedure

[2:03:10] Voice 6: answering questions i don't want to stress so you can stop me if i go go off the track

[2:03:17] Voice 6: to me your question makes me think about what validity or you know what's the importance of

[2:03:24] Voice 6: how many variances have been requested in the time frame since and what is that a measure of

[2:03:32] Voice 6: and what it doesn't address maybe is what if in three years from now there's 40 or you know a

[2:03:43] Voice 6: large number of various requests then if we make a decision based on the two only at this very point

[2:03:50] Voice 6: how are we then missing out on addressing the future potential impact so that those are my

[2:03:58] Voice 6: thoughts around it that i need to know more than just that to make to get an information that would

[2:04:05] Voice 6: help me

[2:04:07] Voice 25: so

[2:04:08] Voice 6: it's a lot of we i can only project as to possibilities in the future you know which will

[2:04:14] Voice 6: will also

[2:04:15] Voice 22: impact us.

[2:04:43] Voice 22: Well, it's for, and it's fast,

[2:04:44] Voice 22: but what

[2:04:45] Trustee Evans (probable): you don't see are all of the reports

[2:04:46] Trustee Evans (probable): that are required, the engineers that have to be hired,

[2:04:50] Trustee Evans (probable): all of the surveys that have to be done,

[2:04:54] Trustee Evans (probable): having to get refinanced through the bank,

[2:04:56] Trustee Evans (probable): all of that winds up costing,

[2:04:58] Trustee Evans (probable): and it can cost up to $100,000

[2:05:01] Trustee Evans (probable): and a delay of six or more months

[2:05:05] Trustee Evans (probable): by the time you've gone through the process

[2:05:07] Trustee Evans (probable): had to reapply for um for financing and for some people they can look at that and go well that now

[2:05:14] Trustee Evans (probable): pushes that dream out of the window i'm going to now have to go back to the architect redesign my

[2:05:19] Trustee Evans (probable): house and do that make something that i is not no longer going to be sufficient for my purposes

[2:05:23] Trustee Evans (probable): for my lifestyle needs and just live with it so that there's a lot of follow-on implications

[2:05:30] Trustee Evans (probable): if we're saying that a variance is a tool that we're using to keep houses small and to do this

[2:05:37] Trustee Evans (probable): and to force people into this smaller bucket uh that doesn't quite address the needs the overall

[2:05:44] Trustee Evans (probable): needs of of the community at large so and and i'm not going to get into all of this because i think

[2:05:51] Trustee Evans (probable): that i'm straying a little bit i'm trying to stick to your variance piece i'm not sure if that was

[2:05:58] Trustee Evans (probable): helpful or not?

[2:06:02] Voice 21: I wouldn't say there's been a large number of letters or input from people

[2:06:08] Voice 21: saying they could not build and that the house sizes were a hardship. I haven't seen that

[2:06:16] Voice 21: quite yet is my answer, but there's been a huge number of correspondence. I wouldn't say it's a

[2:06:23] Voice 21: strong trend um any more on

[2:06:30] Voice 22: that question sir that's good great um yeah so yeah if you can

[2:07:39] Voice 21: so i'll repeat your question uh no if you could repeat your question that'd be great

[2:07:43] Voice 14: so in reviewing the correspondence package uh the issue yesterday there are a few letters that

[2:07:51] Voice 14: that appear to be the subject of a writing thing.

[2:07:54] Voice 14: Thereby, people that do not reside on South Hendon

[2:07:57] Voice 14: who indicated that they visited,

[2:08:00] Voice 14: but yet they're passing a judging or a correctional rule

[2:08:05] Voice 14: for bylaw 129.

[2:08:08] Voice 14: So my question to the trustee is,

[2:08:13] Voice 14: is what credence is going to be given

[2:08:16] Voice 14: to the letter writers who are residents

[2:08:20] Voice 14: into orders on something yeah

[2:08:22] Voice 21: if i could take a first um the opportunity to respond to that

[2:08:28] Voice 21: because it's something i've um i'd actually queried our staff about um in terms of the weight

[2:08:38] Voice 21: that the body is to give to different uh stakeholders rights holders um property owners

[2:08:47] Voice 21: owners, and other residents. So whose interests are impacted or affected by a proposed bylaw.

[2:08:57] Voice 21: We are actually supposed to weigh the, in terms of the level of impact of a proposed

[2:09:09] Voice 21: bylaw on a respondent. So we have to consider all relevant information that includes professional

[2:09:17] Voice 21: reports, planner expertise, input from property owners, input from affected residents, nearby

[2:09:23] Voice 21: communities, even other residents of BC, because as we all know, the Owners Trust Act charges us

[2:09:29] Voice 21: to uphold the preserve and protect mandate on behalf of residents of British Columbia.

[2:09:34] Voice 21: So there is that circle of influence, however, and of course, rights and title holders in the area.

[2:09:45] Voice 21: So Wasaytnich and Coast Salish peoples have input that we need to hear and consider.

[2:09:52] Voice 21: And so how do we weigh that?

[2:09:55] Voice 21: So other agencies, government agencies, other LTCs are asked if this proposed bylaw is going to affect their interests.

[2:10:04] Voice 21: And that's why we have those referrals to be considered.

[2:10:08] Voice 21: and so when we collect all of that together the LTC needs to evaluate how much do we place how

[2:10:18] Voice 21: much weight do we place on this level of input so I won't speak personally as to what weight

[2:10:25] Voice 21: but I will actually because I'm a decision maker I tend to give more weight to information and

[2:10:34] Voice 21: input that has some analysis and has particularly people who have been through the process who've

[2:10:41] Voice 21: been following the development of the bylaw and to understand the nuances and are saying well

[2:10:46] Voice 21: I object to this part for this reason I support this aspect for that reason and so I would give

[2:10:53] Voice 21: less weight to a volume of letters that are just stating for against support I don't understand

[2:11:02] Voice 21: and the reasons why they would support and so that's why it's it's less um it's going to carry

[2:11:08] Voice 21: less of an influence especially for me as an outsider or not from your community and i really

[2:11:13] Voice 21: do need to listen to um what residents are saying and other stakeholders and rights holders in terms

[2:11:20] Voice 21: of the impact of the proposed bylaw that's really what we're looking at who is it going to impact

[2:11:25] Voice 21: and why that's the key information that's uh

[2:11:30] Trustee Evans (probable): for myself um uh yes similarly to what uh chair

[2:11:35] Trustee Evans (probable): elliott was saying for me the residents have greater weight because this impacts them the most

[2:11:41] Trustee Evans (probable): um people that aren't residents here um they could be they could be generationally from here

[2:11:50] Trustee Evans (probable): they could be looking to buy here they could be um like they could be many different things they

[2:11:57] Trustee Evans (probable): could be um like i don't know so i can't read into what they what people have written in

[2:12:05] Trustee Evans (probable): to support or not support but there is a weight to that too but my greater weight goes to the

[2:12:15] Trustee Evans (probable): community because these are the people that are going to have the greatest effect by this

[2:12:20] Trustee Evans (probable): they do play a part because we're mandated that they have a part in it it just doesn't have as

[2:12:27] Trustee Evans (probable): great a part for me um the environment has a voice here that plays a part for me first nations

[2:12:35] Trustee Evans (probable): has a voice that has a part for me these are all different buckets that i'm looking at um and like

[2:12:43] Trustee Evans (probable): we said the reports and everything else that's come through um to say like this is um best

[2:12:49] Trustee Evans (probable): practice this is um industry standard blah blah blah all of that stuff so i do look at all of that

[2:12:55] Trustee Evans (probable): and that all factors into how i'm weighing things up yeah

[2:13:05] Voice 6: pretty similar uh for me um the big thing

[2:13:11] Voice 6: for me is the rationale you know if i can understand if you say i want this thing and

[2:13:18] Voice 6: And then if I can understand what is the outcome that you're seeking by

[2:13:22] Voice 6: wanting that thing. And if I see the relationship between that,

[2:13:25] Voice 6: if I see that the thing that you want will be achieved that way,

[2:13:31] Voice 6: if I can follow that logic, if I can be convinced about that,

[2:13:33] Voice 6: then that's a swaying kind of argument for me.

[2:13:37] Voice 6: If there's either no mention of what it does,

[2:13:41] Voice 6: or if the mention of it is in a very big category,

[2:13:45] Voice 6: like for the environment we want a big or a small house kind of thing to me like without making the

[2:13:50] Voice 6: links I can't really because then it's my personal feeling then right so it's hard for me to evaluate

[2:13:56] Voice 6: it in terms of the numbers of letters or comments that come in I think for me if there was an

[2:14:10] Voice 6: extraordinary number, instead of being 50-50 on an issue on this side or that side or whatever,

[2:14:19] Voice 6: this viewpoint or that viewpoint. I think if there was 75-25 mix on an issue, that in itself

[2:14:32] Voice 6: wouldn't sway me as a very big point. It's of interest, but I think the bigger value of the

[2:14:40] Voice 6: the letters that we get is for the community to be informed about their community and their

[2:14:46] Voice 6: neighbors. So you can see that this, no, I will, you know, I made an assumption that everybody saw

[2:14:52] Voice 6: it my way, but apparently half the people or whatever, you know, saw it the other way. And I

[2:14:57] Voice 6: think that has value in itself for all of us. We all need to see that these issues, we have varying

[2:15:03] Voice 6: viewpoints on it and that's what this whole exercise is about I believe this is us finding

[2:15:12] Voice 6: a way to work more harmoniously with the fact that we all have different perspectives right

[2:15:19] Voice 6: and so I don't know if that made sense but I tried I

[2:15:23] Trustee Evans (probable): just want to also clarify as well I

[2:15:25] Trustee Evans (probable): understand that not everybody in the community is um adapt at writing reports or really expressing

[2:15:33] Trustee Evans (probable): expressing their uh feelings and positions and backing it with you know a lot of people aren't

[2:15:40] Trustee Evans (probable): aren't the greatest at writing long um emails so i do also take that into account as well not

[2:15:46] Trustee Evans (probable): everyone is um if you want to write if you want to speak come up and put your

[2:15:51] Trustee Evans (probable): name down for now

[2:15:52] Voice 21: for regarding this yes

[2:15:53] Trustee Evans (probable): this is for this um so sorry um so yeah i i also respect the fact that

[2:15:58] Trustee Evans (probable): But not everyone is really good at writing reports or really.

[2:16:07] Trustee Evans (probable): And so anyway, like I was saying, I respect the fact that not everyone's really good at letter writing.

[2:16:13] Trustee Evans (probable): They may put something quite succinct in, but they can have very a strong position and they may have a lot of thoughts.

[2:16:20] Trustee Evans (probable): They just can't put down on paper. Not everyone is is gifted that way.

[2:16:25] Trustee Evans (probable): So I do hold that in my in my thoughts as well.

[2:16:31] Voice 21: and it is not a

[2:16:33] Voice 21: popularity contest it's not

[2:16:35] Voice 21: about the number of votes it's not about the numbers of

[2:16:37] Voice 21: and against it's um how does this serve the community and uphold the object of the trust

[2:16:46] Voice 21: and the mandate so um part of it is the volume will this affect a lot of people if a lot of

[2:16:56] Voice 21: people feel they would be affected and they were to write in i think that would be a considerable

[2:16:59] Voice 21: piece of evidence that the the proposed bylaw is going to address that concern

[2:17:05] Voice 21: so that's what we were looking for any more on that topic or so

[2:17:14] Voice 14: having been a

[2:17:19] Voice 14: participant in this whole process for the last four years five years whatever

[2:17:25] Voice 14: it is now. I'm interested in understanding the trustees position as to how proposed bylaw 129

[2:17:33] Voice 14: better aligns our land use bylaw with the official community plan, with the

[2:17:40] Voice 14: mandate of balanced trust and with the declaration of climate emergency put forward by on this just

[2:17:47] Voice 14: in 2019.

[2:17:52] Trustee Evans (probable): So that's a question that has been raised a couple of times. So

[2:17:57] Trustee Evans (probable): So with regards to the South Pender OCP, the conversation about rural has been used a lot.

[2:18:04] Trustee Evans (probable): So you wanted to hear how they align with the OCP, the trust policy statement and climate action.

[2:18:12] Trustee Evans (probable): So in the OCP, it says that rural is used to, I'm just going to read this, because there's a lot of things in here.

[2:18:22] Trustee Evans (probable): So rural is used to describe the character of South Pender Island, which means the effect created by features and qualities, including but not necessarily limited to low density and relatively unobstructed development, comparatively undisturbed natural and varied landscapes, freedom from disturbance and privacy from neighbors, limited on island services and appreciation of both individual stewardship, community regulation intended to protect and maintain

[2:18:52] Trustee Evans (probable): the island's ecosystems, amenities, and its residents and property owners plan to use

[2:19:01] Trustee Evans (probable): leaves and light style. So there's a lot of things in there in this particular piece.

[2:19:14] Trustee Evans (probable): When the house sizes were reduced by 35% approximately, I don't think anybody in this

[2:19:21] Trustee Evans (probable): room is is vehemently disagreeing that a reduction in the house sizes was the biggest issue it was

[2:19:27] Trustee Evans (probable): the amount it got reduced was too great um the previous trustees did state that the numbers

[2:19:33] Trustee Evans (probable): chosen were arbitrary and it was i believe they used the term like a dart at numbers on a wall

[2:19:40] Trustee Evans (probable): so the community at that point had there was very strong feelings against and for um so there was

[2:19:50] Trustee Evans (probable): is obviously value and looking and continuing this conversation and I've got directives a

[2:19:56] Trustee Evans (probable): little bit further down so section 121 says the OCP is expressed it expresses the object of the

[2:20:07] Trustee Evans (probable): trust through the concept that land use and development should be compatible and the

[2:20:12] Trustee Evans (probable): inherent capacity of the island and be of individual or collective benefit to the residents

[2:20:18] Trustee Evans (probable): and property owners so having house size cut by 35 percent and the size setbacks doubled

[2:20:27] Trustee Evans (probable): there was a large number of residents that felt that that was not in their best interests

[2:20:34] Trustee Evans (probable): so that that that was another piece that was raised and within the trust policy statement

[2:20:40] Trustee Evans (probable): directives. Directive policy 586 states that we shall in our official community plans and

[2:20:48] Trustee Evans (probable): regulatory bylaws address communities' current and projected housing requirements. Given that

[2:20:55] Trustee Evans (probable): the government has said we need to age in place, accessibility issues for aging community requires

[2:21:00] Trustee Evans (probable): more space for wheelchair accessibility. The need, and this was raised by the members as well,

[2:21:08] Trustee Evans (probable): they need to have in-home care space available to have multi-generational housing which is a

[2:21:16] Trustee Evans (probable): forward-looking position of the government as well by reducing it so much it doesn't permit

[2:21:26] Trustee Evans (probable): all of the buried lifestyles that our ocp says that we need to bear in mind and we're not

[2:21:32] Trustee Evans (probable): i like we're not bearing mind what the government has said that we need to do

[2:21:36] Trustee Evans (probable): in order to look after ourselves also in directive policies 523 that we shall in our official

[2:21:47] Trustee Evans (probable): community plans and regulatory bylaws address policies related to the social impacts of

[2:21:52] Trustee Evans (probable): development so social impact is defined as where did i where did i found this

[2:21:59] Trustee Evans (probable): um i did have a definition on this uh so it's defined as an emergent change in the community

[2:22:08] Trustee Evans (probable): connected to an action encompassing both positive and negative effects on people's health, well-being

[2:22:13] Trustee Evans (probable): and relationships. So there was a very unhealthy place that we wound up in as a community

[2:22:23] Trustee Evans (probable): through the process of previous FIDO. Sorry, I can't move my mouse. So part of why I feel that

[2:22:37] Trustee Evans (probable): that this needed to be addressed was the housing requirements was a part of it the social impact

[2:22:45] Trustee Evans (probable): was another part of it um there were changes to the house house height maximums that did

[2:22:54] Trustee Evans (probable): create non-conforming issues there was an issue there and part of um this is kind of why i wanted

[2:23:03] Trustee Evans (probable): to do this in the beginning it might have answered a few questions um so it is within the purview of

[2:23:10] Trustee Evans (probable): LTC to review the newly created bylaws especially when a negative impact has been identified

[2:23:16] Trustee Evans (probable): and enough people came forward um and said this is this is this is a this was too far of a place

[2:23:24] Trustee Evans (probable): to go so with that in mind rather than reverting back to where we were we've worked very hard with

[2:23:35] Trustee Evans (probable): everybody here to find a middle ground that could achieve everybody's desires you might not get

[2:23:45] Trustee Evans (probable): exactly what you're looking for but we're trying to keep it close enough um to find a fine line

[2:23:51] Trustee Evans (probable): that everyone can say i can live with this so yes i still feel the ocp has been um respected

[2:24:02] Trustee Evans (probable): The trust policy statement directives have been respected.

[2:24:08] Trustee Evans (probable): This is still a 25% decrease from the original house size, which is significant.

[2:24:14] Trustee Evans (probable): So I think that that is also being looked at.

[2:24:20] Trustee Evans (probable): I'm going to stop there. I'm not sure

[2:24:23] Voice 7: if that answered your question.

[2:24:27] Voice 7: we didn't address the climate or VC declaration,

[2:24:30] Voice 7: but more aligned with the mandate of the Islands Trust.

[2:24:34] Trustee Evans (probable): Absolutely.

[2:24:35] Trustee Evans (probable): So the mandate of the Islands Trust

[2:24:37] Trustee Evans (probable): is for the benefit of the residents.

[2:24:39] Trustee Evans (probable): And the residents said this was not to our benefit.

[2:24:42] Trustee Evans (probable): The 35% reduction and doubling of site setbacks

[2:24:45] Trustee Evans (probable): was too large of an infringement upon our use of our land.

[2:24:52] Voice 14: That's one

[2:24:52] Voice 14: component of it.

[2:24:53] Voice 14: the rest of it relates to protection of the environment,

[2:24:58] Voice 14: scenic amenities,

[2:25:01] Voice 14: management of natural resources,

[2:25:04] Voice 14: something like groundwater and so forth.

[2:25:06] Voice 14: So my question is broader than just whether it's 4,000 square feet

[2:25:10] Voice 14: or 1,500.

[2:25:11] Voice 14: I'm really trying to understand how what we're doing here

[2:25:15] Voice 14: is benefiting our alignment with those objectives.

[2:25:21] Voice 14: For example, the OCP sets out protecting the natural features of biological diversity,

[2:25:33] Voice 14: protecting the archaeological and historical features, the unruled aspect of it, so to

[2:25:43] Voice 14: ensure land use development associated servicing are compatible with the rule and the character

[2:25:48] Voice 14: to ensure services provided are appropriate for the needs, grounds, community and so forth.

[2:25:52] Voice 14: so it is it's broader than just whether it's what the square footage is and i and i haven't heard

[2:25:59] Voice 14: that as part of this whole debate at all it's about whether there's a creating a condition of

[2:26:06] Voice 14: legal non-conformity or whether the house size is too big or too small or whether 10 or 20 feet is

[2:26:12] Voice 14: an animal that setback but yet there are many broader principles that should be part of the

[2:26:18] Voice 14: foundation of what needs to be addressed here. And so really that's my question to all of you.

[2:26:22] Voice 14: How are you looking at that? Because what I'm hearing is we're advancing something that is

[2:26:29] Voice 14: simply based on what was appropriate previously and we're making a compromise on that

[2:26:36] Voice 14: because some people are upset with that. But this is supposed to be an additive process

[2:26:42] Voice 14: this and in fact it feels regressive instead of um changing four years okay

[2:26:48] Voice 21: so sir you're getting

[2:26:49] Voice 21: into your your views on it which

[2:26:51] Voice 21: we'd like to hear during the past period

[2:26:53] Voice 29: but i'm interested

[2:26:54] Voice 29: in how your views align with with the broader end for

[2:26:58] Trustee Evans (probable): sure i was i was getting to the next point

[2:27:00] Trustee Evans (probable): that you brought up which was climate action and everything else and the environment and everything

[2:27:04] Trustee Evans (probable): else so like i said the reduction of 35 percent was deemed to be too great and it did have

[2:27:11] Trustee Evans (probable): have significant opposition from the community. It undermined the health of the community as a

[2:27:19] Trustee Evans (probable): whole. So after spending eight years of getting to where we were prior to bylaw 122, the 35%

[2:27:27] Trustee Evans (probable): reduction on top of that that had just been passed was deemed too great of a step. So what we're

[2:27:33] Trustee Evans (probable): doing is, yes, we're taking into account the environment and everything else. We're saying,

[2:27:37] Trustee Evans (probable): saying yes, an additional reduction from prior to file 122. That's not a bad move. We're saying

[2:27:45] Trustee Evans (probable): that 25% from the previously agreed, which had gone through eight years of community information,

[2:27:51] Trustee Evans (probable): community input, by over two terms to reach that point, to have it immediately go into another

[2:27:59] Trustee Evans (probable): review and have it cut by an additional 35%. It's too great

[2:28:02] Trustee Evans (probable): of a step. So we're saying, okay,

[2:28:04] Trustee Evans (probable): okay, 25% cut, that seems to be a more reasonable way to do it.

[2:28:09] Trustee Evans (probable): It addresses so many of the other issues that have been going on.

[2:28:14] Trustee Evans (probable): It alleviates some of the pressures and stresses

[2:28:18] Trustee Evans (probable): that have been placed on a lot of members of this community.

[2:28:22] Trustee Evans (probable): It still aligns with the environmental and greenhouse gas and everything else.

[2:28:28] Trustee Evans (probable): It was just taken a step too far.

[2:28:31] Trustee Evans (probable): We're just rolling it back to a comfortable spot.

[2:28:34] Trustee Evans (probable): Like we said, the previous trustee stood.

[2:28:36] Trustee Evans (probable): Trustee said, Evans, you're repeating yourself.

[2:28:39] Voice 21: It's how does, the question is,

[2:28:41] Voice 21: how does this alignment or sort of amendment

[2:28:44] Voice 21: uphold the values of the OCP?

[2:28:46] Voice 21: I would just like

[2:28:46] Trustee Evans (probable): to say, and I appreciate that,

[2:28:48] Trustee Evans (probable): but if you, unless I'm stepping out

[2:28:51] Trustee Evans (probable): and you're making a point of order

[2:28:52] Trustee Evans (probable): on what I'm saying, it's time.

[2:28:54] Voice 21: We need to keep moving through

[2:28:56] Voice 21: so we can get to the public hearing.

[2:28:58] Voice 21: So I'm asking you not to keep repeating something

[2:29:00] Voice 21: if you've already said that.

[2:29:01] Voice 30: I don't want to cause a problem.

[2:29:03] Voice 30: I'm just here as an info resident, but I really want to get to the public hearing because the purpose of today, from my understanding, is to be able to ask technical questions about the bylaw and then to actually be able to hear from the public what they have to say about the bylaw.

[2:29:22] Voice 30: So I'm sorry if I'm being troublesome, but I just wanted to play it out.

[2:29:27] Voice 30: well

[2:29:27] Voice 21: there was a specific question to the three trustees in my understanding you're asking how

[2:29:32] Voice 21: does the bylaw amendment proposed bylaw amendment uphold the values of the ocp including the values

[2:29:37] Voice 21: for um rural rural and uh greenhouse gas emission um reduction and uh the environment um i would

[2:29:50] Voice 21: would just very simply state your OCP has only changed, has only been amended once since.

[2:30:00] Voice 21: 2021 so 2021 um bylaw number 119 was brought in before and that was to do with short-term

[2:30:08] Voice 21: vacation rentals before that was um 19 2019 and so there's been several bylaw lub amendments

[2:30:16] Voice 21: that one could surmise upheld the values of the ocp policies that have been fairly that have been

[2:30:27] Voice 21: inconsistent since at least 2019 with regard to environmental protection, rural values

[2:30:33] Voice 21: and climate change. But I think to your point, is the process leading to a closer alignment with

[2:30:45] Voice 21: the OCP or away, that is an interpretive exercise. And we are in the process of interpreting

[2:30:56] Voice 21: interpreting the values of the community that would be expressed in a land use bylaw regulation

[2:31:03] Voice 21: and we need to to figure out is this getting closer to the values of our community

[2:31:09] Voice 5: official

[2:31:09] Voice 21: community plan or further away and there's definite disagreement on currently whether this

[2:31:16] Voice 21: land use proposed land use bylaw amendment is getting meeting those values but moving

[2:31:21] Voice 21: moving in a different direction as you've said so but i would say the ocp itself has remained

[2:31:27] Voice 21: consistent and there's been multiple iterations of different land use bylaws with different house

[2:31:33] Voice 21: size minimums and maximums um throughout the same ocp so i think it could be argued either way

[2:31:40] Voice 21: so

[2:31:42] Voice 14: it's the uh most of the key the mandate of the island's trust and the climate declaration

[2:31:47] Voice 14: And I don't want to, I'm not here to, I don't want to cause a debate, I know it's a question,

[2:31:55] Voice 14: it's just in itself, it's arguable that the only thing that happened in bylaw 22 that

[2:32:03] Voice 14: supported it was reducing house size because larger houses result in more greenhouse gas

[2:32:10] Voice 14: emissions uh more issues relative to uh both carbon sequestration as well as uh federal release

[2:32:19] Voice 14: consumption resources and so forth so whether whether you agree or not that could be the heavy

[2:32:27] Voice 14: club that actually better aligned it i'm not talking about whether i agree with that that or

[2:32:32] Voice 14: or not, because I don't know what anyone's view on it.

[2:32:35] Voice 14: But to support or not support the bylaw,

[2:32:41] Voice 14: I really think it's more wholesome than just

[2:32:46] Voice 14: the issue of nonconformity or house signs.

[2:32:49] Voice 14: And so I've heard from Nagy, but again, I'm

[2:32:53] Voice 14: trying to understand whether you are all coming in your support

[2:32:58] Voice 14: or non-supportive rather than relative to those.

[2:33:02] Voice 14: Do

[2:33:03] Voice 8: you have any comments on that one?

[2:33:04] Voice 6: Yeah.

[2:33:06] Voice 6: You ask good questions, John.

[2:33:10] Voice 6: To me, I'm not sure,

[2:33:17] Voice 6: but it seems like there might be an assumption

[2:33:19] Voice 6: that smaller houses is the only way to protect the environment.

[2:33:24] Voice 6: And what I want to point out is that that's an assumption.

[2:33:27] Voice 6: I'm not making that assumption.

[2:33:29] Voice 6: No, no, but yeah.

[2:33:30] Voice 6: Yeah, so, and I don't, that is not my assumption.

[2:33:35] Voice 6: My assumption is that there's many factors

[2:33:38] Voice 6: that affect the environment, and it's potentially both ways.

[2:33:43] Voice 6: And by us, what I need to be convinced of

[2:33:47] Voice 6: is that a smaller footprint of a house

[2:33:51] Voice 6: has a direct correlation to protecting the environment.

[2:33:54] Voice 6: And that's what I've been, I've failed to be convinced of that.

[2:33:57] Voice 6: And so I'll use one example. I know Christina mentioned several issues that I think are important too, but I'll just use this as an example to sort of demonstrate what I'm trying to say here.

[2:34:13] Voice 6: So things like a multi-generational living or communal living is a great way to reduce building materials by having one large dwelling versus two or three dwellings for the same number of people.

[2:34:24] Voice 6: To me, overly restricting the dwelling sizes goes against the spirit of the policy statement to preserve and protect, and it discourages and limits property owners the ability to fully utilize their land in a way that reduces building material use, reduces need for driveway building, reduces need for more water and septic infrastructure, allows for more practical vehicle sharing, you know, for traveling, builds more cohesive community, and connects generations.

[2:34:55] Voice 6: So those are all benefits that I see to the ability to have a larger house, if that's, you know, if that's a solution to reach protection of environment in the best way that an individual wants to, why would we limit that?

[2:35:11] Voice 6: that's my objection to the overly restricted house size,

[2:35:18] Voice 6: is by doing that, we're not encouraging

[2:35:22] Voice 6: thoughtful consideration for protecting the environment.

[2:35:26] Voice 6: And there are a lot of people around

[2:35:27] Voice 6: and we attract a lot of people on the penders

[2:35:30] Voice 6: that have those viewpoints.

[2:35:32] Voice 6: We also attract some others,

[2:35:34] Voice 6: but we can't win everything, right?

[2:35:37] Voice 6: Right. So we have to kind of cater to to the common sentiment as much as possible.

[2:35:44] Voice 6: So to me, if the argument was smaller houses protects the environment, you know, carbon sequestration, you know, addressing all of those other higher level things for the environment.

[2:35:58] Voice 6: I don't see that. I don't see the correlation.

[2:36:01] Voice 6: this example is one way to try to show the correlation that I see to have that option

[2:36:08] Voice 6: and I think the impact of either option who's to say which is more and which is less is hard to

[2:36:17] Voice 6: judge it's all sorts of personal choice comes into there you know not everybody can have a communal

[2:36:21] Voice 6: living situation if you can't then don't don't go for that option right but for those who can

[2:36:28] Voice 6: why why would we prevent that why would we put a block in the vote for that so that's my view on

[2:36:35] Voice 6: on this because it's been somewhat bothersome to be cast in okay that's that's role as not

[2:36:46] Voice 6: protecting the environment and that's so not accurate from my point of view it is it is not

[2:36:53] Voice 6: only i i don't want to say that oh well we have also considered the environment that's not how it

[2:36:59] Voice 6: it is for me because i'm considering the environment in the way that my life view is

[2:37:04] Voice 6: because of the environment that's why i think we should not restrict house sizes so it's not it's

[2:37:11] Voice 6: not like yeah we roll that in as well it's it's precisely because of the way i see it that i'm

[2:37:18] Voice 6: that i'm holding the view that i have i don't know if that makes sense but we

[2:37:22] Voice 21: need to close

[2:37:23] Voice 21: this question so unless there's something new to answer to that question we've got several other

[2:37:28] Voice 21: speakers okay um who was next i did call it a list try not to get back into the debate um

[2:37:36] Voice 21: thank you john tracy calvert and then monica and then charlotte and paul then debbie

[2:37:46] Voice 20: casey oh

[2:37:47] Voice 21: sorry monica okay uh tracy calvert yeah um my

[2:37:54] Voice 33: I have two questions.

[2:37:57] Voice 33: The first one, they're both going to be very simple,

[2:38:00] Voice 33: I am hoping.

[2:38:00] Voice 33: First one is a true and false.

[2:38:03] Voice 33: I'm hoping that you will let me know what I heard is true

[2:38:08] Voice 33: and false.

[2:38:09] Voice 33: So it is on the thread of what

[2:38:14] Voice 19: the other questions were

[2:38:17] Voice 19: about weighing the opposed to the approval.

[2:38:24] Voice 19: approval or no to the no and yet to be proposed by law that if you I've heard that I was struck

[2:38:35] Voice 21: view is if you if you don't oppose it you're assuming that the

[2:38:41] Voice 4: rest of the population is

[2:38:42] Voice 4: it is agreeing but approving to and

[2:38:46] Voice 19: I'd like to know what you think about that.

[2:38:49] Voice 19: um

[2:38:50] Trustee Evans (probable): so if we're sitting as a trust council and there's 26 people and we put it to a vote

[2:38:56] Trustee Evans (probable): and one and somebody abstains from that specifically regulated vote their apps

[2:39:05] Trustee Evans (probable): their abstention is counted in favor so in this instance if we are not voting this is not a vote

[2:39:13] Trustee Evans (probable): So, because it's not a vote, it's not the rest of British Columbia's voting in favor

[2:39:19] Trustee Evans (probable): of this.

[2:39:21] Trustee Evans (probable): Okay?

[2:39:21] Trustee Evans (probable): I understand.

[2:39:22] Voice 19: Okay.

[2:39:23] Voice 19: But there is, seems to be a lot of weight on the amount of letters you're getting.

[2:39:31] Voice 19: So I'm hearing then that that thought is false,

[2:39:39] Trustee Evans (probable): that you're not weighing the amount of letters.

[2:39:42] Trustee Evans (probable): What I'm weighing is the individual people and their position.

[2:39:49] Trustee Evans (probable): So one

[2:39:50] Voice 4: person can write

[2:39:51] Trustee Evans (probable): it 12 times and express their position multiple times.

[2:39:55] Trustee Evans (probable): One person might write it once, and I'm weighing their position.

[2:40:02] Voice 4: My other

[2:40:03] Voice 4: query is that I've also heard that in the very, very beginning,

[2:40:09] Voice 4: beginning when we decided to start this process that there was

[2:40:13] Voice 21: significant opposition and do you

[2:40:17] Voice 21: have I mean obviously you have records of what that significant opposition was

[2:40:24] Voice 33: whether it was

[2:40:25] Voice 33: four people shouting loudly or if it was 35 people saying they didn't like so is that public knowledge

[2:40:34] Trustee Evans (probable): Yes, you can, again, if you want to go back into the public finder, you can see how many

[2:40:40] Trustee Evans (probable): people. There was also, there was a lot of different information and you

[2:40:45] Voice 1: can just go

[2:40:45] Trustee Evans (probable): and see the number, see the people that were for or against. And I'm talking more, again,

[2:40:51] Trustee Evans (probable): the residents versus the rest of BC coming and also addressing that too. And so part

[2:41:03] Trustee Evans (probable): of part of that came through the election and part of that came through when we started with

[2:41:09] Trustee Evans (probable): when we started we said to you what's what do you need us to look at and the community said this was

[2:41:15] Trustee Evans (probable): the big issue and because of that raised um elevation of this issue that's why this was

[2:41:24] Trustee Evans (probable): do

[2:41:26] Voice 21: you feel your questions have been answered or do you want no yeah okay thank you um next um

[2:41:34] Voice 21: Sorry, who did I call out next? Tracy, and then, thank you.

[2:41:41] Voice 31: Tracy, Charlotte Edwards, Saul Petrie, and Debbie Friesen.

[2:41:46] Voice 21: Charlotte Edwards. Are you still here? Oh, yes. Shut up.

[2:41:52] Voice 33: Well, we competed building our house in 2016, and immediately it wasn't complying because the setback went from 10 feet to 20 feet.

[2:42:01] Voice 33: because the side of the garage that has the cistern was within within

[2:42:07] Voice 17: the 20 foot boundary

[2:42:08] Voice 17: okay so i'm

[2:42:09] Voice 33: asking sort of how many places became non-compliant because of that big change in the

[2:42:16] Voice 33: setback our size is okay we weren't too big but if we would have built had to build under the 20 foot

[2:42:23] Voice 33: one we wouldn't have been able to build it's an environmentally friendly because we wouldn't be

[2:42:28] Voice 33: being able to have the garage and the house on the same level.

[2:42:31] Voice 33: We didn't want to have to pump up to a cistern.

[2:42:37] Voice 33: So environmentally friendly doesn't just include a small house print.

[2:42:43] Voice 33: It includes being able to use the geology of your block

[2:42:47] Voice 33: in the best way that you can.

[2:42:51] Voice 21: So your question, to get back to that,

[2:42:53] Voice 21: That was how many properties are rendered non-compliant in the setbacks, the neighboring setbacks?

[2:43:00] Voice 21: Or

[2:43:00] Voice 4: even in the size.

[2:43:02] Voice 4: There was a question earlier about how many questions you had about the variance.

[2:43:07] Voice 4: But there were a lot of places probably that became immediately non-compliant, which everyone says doesn't matter.

[2:43:14] Voice 4: But in the future, if somebody's going to take out a mortgage to buy your place, it might matter.

[2:43:19] Voice 21: So I don't know if this was answered in a staff report.

[2:43:22] Voice 21: I know we have lots of correspondence from residents who did different calculations, and I don't know if there's a complete answer as to how many properties were rendered.

[2:43:34] Voice 21: We don't have that. Staff doesn't have that information.

[2:43:36] Voice 21: Staff doesn't have that information.

[2:43:37] Voice 21: So I can see that there's, in reading everyone's input on this, there were many different numbers, but I was more focused on the number of properties that are undeveloped or do not have a new structure on it that would have to conform to the new regulation.

[2:44:02] Voice 21: that's the sort of impact I was looking at so um I can do a quick search maybe we can go to the next

[2:44:08] Voice 21: question and I'll try

[2:44:10] Voice 21: to yeah so

[2:44:11] Voice 33: I kind of wanted to bring up that point that's a page two however

[2:44:16] Voice 33: many people have to do a various faculty it also affects everybody that immediately

[2:44:24] Voice 33: what's within that setback so there are

[2:44:28] Voice 21: impacts yeah and we have discussed the

[2:44:31] Voice 21: the legal non-conforming issue quite a lot,

[2:44:34] Voice 21: and I think there's still probably some who misunderstand

[2:44:38] Voice 21: or are uncomfortable with the fact that their house,

[2:44:43] Voice 21: if it was built prior to a land use bylaw being enacted,

[2:44:47] Voice 21: is lawfully or legally non-conforming.

[2:44:50] Voice 21: We've had a lot of back and forth about that.

[2:44:52] Voice 21: So if there's still lack of clarity, let's address it.

[2:44:57] Voice 21: but I can't I don't think we can give answers as to how many were I think you have addressed it by

[2:45:02] Voice 21: putting it back in okay so we'll hold your comments on your support for things until the

[2:45:09] Voice 21: public hearing if we could sure so

[2:45:12] Trustee Evans (probable): yeah that's one of the things that I've been taking into

[2:45:15] Trustee Evans (probable): consideration with the reverting back to the 10 foot setback so that helps to decrease the need

[2:45:24] Trustee Evans (probable): for future-going variances because the amount of infrastructure, topography, lot width, septic

[2:45:32] Trustee Evans (probable): requirements and well locations which are all determined by outside regulations, it really

[2:45:40] Trustee Evans (probable): reduces the available building site location and I know of a lot of lots that people have been

[2:45:47] Trustee Evans (probable): looking at building and they're not either not going to be able to build there without getting

[2:45:52] Trustee Evans (probable): a variance which again can turn into a very costly exercise especially with geotechnical engineers

[2:45:58] Trustee Evans (probable): so um with yeah so i i i i think um i'm just gonna leave it there yeah

[2:46:08] Voice 21: okay trying

[2:46:10] Trustee Evans (probable): to keep it short

[2:46:11] Voice 21: thank you um next question i think was paul petrie yes

[2:46:15] Voice 31: thank you chair um excuse me

[2:46:20] Voice 31: The discussion about where 122 came from,

[2:46:26] Voice 31: that is what the 3,800 square feet up to 6,000 square.

[2:46:33] Voice 31: I'm getting to the question, please.

[2:46:40] Voice 31: That large amount of house sizes,

[2:46:47] Voice 31: As Chair Elliott pointed out, that discussion took place over two terms because it was very complicated.

[2:46:54] Voice 31: What existed before that was 5% of the property on the lot, which meant huge houses on large lots.

[2:47:01] Voice 31: And the community wrestled with that and came to the conclusion that it needed to be reduced.

[2:47:07] Voice 31: But then the question of legal non-conforming came up.

[2:47:10] Voice 31: And so what they did is they set the house size limits to the largest to minimize legal nonconforming.

[2:47:19] Voice 31: That was a concern, which meant large house sizes was the default.

[2:47:26] Voice 31: And when the trustees in the last term looked at this, they viewed that that was not in compliance with the official community plan.

[2:47:38] Voice 31: And I'll get into that in the submission later.

[2:47:40] Voice 31: Now's not the time for that.

[2:47:42] Voice 31: But so they brought in house size limits that they felt were in full compliance with the

[2:47:52] Voice 31: mandate, et cetera.

[2:47:54] Voice 31: So they also added a provision in the bylaw that eliminated the concern about legal nonconforming

[2:48:05] Voice 31: because all dwellings as of September 15, 2022

[2:48:11] Voice 31: were deemed legally conforming with our bylaw.

[2:48:14] Voice 31: That's a fact.

[2:48:15] Voice 31: At least I understand that as a fact

[2:48:18] Voice 31: because staff had provided three reports

[2:48:21] Voice 31: on the fact that there are no dwellings

[2:48:26] Voice 31: as of September 15, 2022

[2:48:30] Voice 31: 22, that are legal non-conforming with respect to height or setback.

[2:48:37] Voice 31: So my question and clarification to him is this.

[2:48:43] Voice 31: Sorry, did somebody else want to add something?

[2:48:46] Voice 31: No, ask your question.

[2:48:50] Voice 31: Given the fact that staff have said this, do each of you as trustees accept the fact

[2:48:58] Voice 31: that there are no legal non-conforming dwellings on this island with respect to setbacks and

[2:49:07] Voice 31: building size as of September 15, 2022. Do you accept that as a fact?

[2:49:15] Voice 21: I would have to. We'd have to get from the CRD a list of all new builds since September 15,

[2:49:23] Voice 21: 2022, because it may be true that there's a building that was built, but because it has

[2:49:29] Voice 21: has to pass through the review of Islands Trust Planners?

[2:49:31] Voice 21: Does it conform to zoning, siting and use?

[2:49:35] Voice 21: I would probably say there's no non-conforming buildings

[2:49:42] Voice 21: currently, but that I

[2:49:45] Trustee Evans (probable): would hesitate to.

[2:49:46] Trustee Evans (probable): I wouldn't be able to say that to the same reason.

[2:49:51] Voice 31: Sorry, your answer was you wouldn't be able to say?

[2:49:55] Trustee Evans (probable): I wouldn't be able to say yes or no

[2:49:56] Trustee Evans (probable): because I don't know the state

[2:49:57] Trustee Evans (probable): of each of the individual properties to know whether they're conforming or not um that there

[2:50:03] Trustee Evans (probable): there could be um sorry um there could there could there could be houses that aren't conforming and

[2:50:13] Trustee Evans (probable): for for reasons outside of this

[2:50:15] Voice 23: and

[2:50:16] Trustee Evans (probable): there is one that we just went through a variance to make them

[2:50:20] Trustee Evans (probable): conforming because they weren't conforming that was done at the last meeting perhaps it's a

[2:50:27] Voice 21: a question better question for the planner but oh sorry to you Diane

[2:50:29] Voice 6: chance

[2:50:30] Voice 21: to answer well just

[2:50:33] Voice 6: it was a aha moment for me when I think we found out in a meeting that we don't use the term

[2:50:39] Voice 6: legally non-conforming anywhere in the trust documentation anywhere and that's a legislative

[2:50:47] Voice 6: term so why are we arguing about it and we can't ask questions about it because it's not our term

[2:50:53] Voice 6: it's not our definition it's not our issue so we tried to solve it because people have feelings

[2:50:59] Voice 6: about being uh being categorized as being in that situation of being legally non-conforming

[2:51:07] Voice 6: and so we tried to find a solution to that by creating a table as you're aware that made it

[2:51:14] Voice 6: so that nobody could be said to be legally non-conforming but it really legally non-conforming

[2:51:21] Voice 6: is not it's not our issue chair

[2:51:25] Voice 31: could we have the plan and comment on this one yep

[2:51:28] Voice 16: yep um as

[2:51:30] Voice 16: i mentioned previously it's also in the legal non-performing frequently asked questions which

[2:51:36] Voice 16: is online on the project webpage the question of did the adoption of bylaw number 122 create

[2:51:42] Voice 16: legal non-conformity the answer is the only legal non-conformity situation is in regards to a

[2:51:49] Voice 16: dwelling or cottage height so there was no legal non-conforming situations created by bylaw number

[2:51:55] Voice 16: 122 in terms of exterior and interior side lot lines for cottages and dwellings in the rural

[2:52:02] Voice 16: residential zone nor for maximum floor area so

[2:52:07] Voice 31: then my question to the trustees was do you accept

[2:52:11] Voice 31: that as a fact yes or no yes

[2:52:13] Trustee Evans (probable): what

[2:52:15] Voice 6: was this red yeah absolutely yes and

[2:52:18] Trustee Evans (probable): again like i said i can't

[2:52:20] Trustee Evans (probable): I can't say there are no legally non-conforming houses on South Pender,

[2:52:24] Trustee Evans (probable): but I'm not saying that what was passed was the issue,

[2:52:29] Trustee Evans (probable): but there are still issues with the way that it's read,

[2:52:36] Trustee Evans (probable): so that's why we've worked on clearing it up.

[2:52:40] Voice 31: So your answer is?

[2:52:42] Trustee Evans (probable): We just went through a variance to make one house conforming

[2:52:47] Trustee Evans (probable): because it was non-conforming.

[2:52:48] Trustee Evans (probable): your question was are there there are no houses on south panda that are legally non-conforming

[2:52:53] Trustee Evans (probable): i can't say yes to that because we just went through one where we went through a variance

[2:52:57] Trustee Evans (probable): to make it conforming under

[2:53:01] Voice 21: the local government act there is lawful non-con non-conforming

[2:53:07] Voice 21: protection there would not be an enforcement against a house that was bigger than the current

[2:53:15] Voice 21: land use bylaw allows under the local government act that protection is there

[2:53:21] Voice 21: so in fact and in law there is not any non-conforming houses on house size just

[2:53:29] Voice 21: in the height which is one of the amendments in this LUB proposed LUB

[2:53:35] Voice 21: amendment thank you okay let's move on very good questions and these are

[2:53:41] Voice 21: are technical and it's important so thank you um any more questions on the um content of proposed

[2:53:51] Voice 21: bylaw David Friesen you are the last uh person on the list if there's anybody else

[2:53:55] Voice 21: right here yeah and it was actually regarding the fact that visitors were allowed to send letters

[2:54:03] Voice 32: could trustees have

[2:54:05] Voice 19: writers um identify where they live so all of us

[2:54:10] Voice 23: you

[2:54:11] Voice 19: and all of us know

[2:54:13] Voice 19: where they're coming from and if there is a rapid

[2:54:17] Voice 21: campaign happening which doesn't give a true

[2:54:20] Voice 21: picture um i don't think we have that information from the letters that have come in their email

[2:54:28] Voice 21: email addresses they didn't sign necessarily where they live um but when

[2:54:34] Voice 32: I write in I give

[2:54:37] Voice 32: quite a bit of identification yeah who it's going to and all the rest why can't they give their

[2:54:42] Voice 32: identification or all of us the way we do I

[2:54:45] Voice 21: think it just comes back to that question of evaluating

[2:54:49] Voice 21: and weighting input it's all a piece of information residents of BC whose interests are affected and

[2:54:57] Voice 21: how the islands trust mandate is upheld have the right to write it if they feel their interests

[2:55:02] Voice 21: are affected it for me as a decision maker carries more weight to hear somebody in the community

[2:55:11] Voice 21: who says i live here here is how this proposed bylaw affects me my property that's the purpose

[2:55:18] Voice 21: of the public hearing so yes those letters exist people have a right to write letters

[2:55:23] Voice 21: letter writing campaigns are very common if you go to Vancouver and some public hearings that go

[2:55:28] Voice 21: on for three or four days and there's lobbying and all kinds of things so it can be messy

[2:55:35] Voice 21: hopefully your trustees can evaluate and we will we'll go through that decision making process

[2:55:40] Voice 21: afterwards we can't

[2:55:42] Voice 19: just throw them out right don't know well

[2:55:45] Voice 21: we're being on I'm being honest

[2:55:46] Voice 21: about that, that I do weight everything differently. Residents, those who've been with us through the

[2:55:54] Voice 21: process, those who have specific concerns, especially about how the proposed bylaw affects

[2:55:59] Voice 21: them, rights and title holders will carry more weight than random resident from BC who doesn't

[2:56:06] Voice 21: tell us where they're from. So that's just my transparency to you. We will do our best,

[2:56:13] Voice 21: but I can't say that you need to throw those letters out they have a right to

[2:56:17] Voice 21: have input in the process as well. No I wasn't suggesting that but I'm talking

[2:56:22] Voice 21: about the future. I'm not sure I understand. Well when people write

[2:56:29] Voice 21: letters in the future about by law whatever number comes up why can't they

[2:56:37] Voice 21: identify where they live and when letters are read out that can be read

[2:56:43] Voice 21: out too i have three letters to write to read out regarding this they don't have identifications

[2:56:49] Voice 21: that would be yeah i don't know if we can require that um it's not a requirement um

[2:56:57] Voice 21: for a public hearing it's just that it's like really the language is all persons who believe

[2:57:05] Voice 21: that their interest in property is affected by the proposed bylaws would be given a reasonable

[2:57:10] Voice 21: opportunity to be heard or present a written submission so if someone believes that their

[2:57:15] Voice 21: interests are affected they have the right to submit that we can't put a further restriction

[2:57:22] Voice 21: that it's only those within a certain catchment area

[2:57:25] Voice 21: or you must identify um your address it just

[2:57:29] Voice 21: simply doesn't exist yeah

[2:57:32] Voice 6: um just the way that i would wait a letter if it if it has no information

[2:57:38] Voice 6: no identification of their situation or where they're from then that that letter holds less

[2:57:43] Voice 6: weight and a letter that says the whole background the whole reasoning who they are what you know

[2:57:49] Voice 6: that carries more weight so just trust that we take that into consideration so

[2:57:56] Voice 21: now we've got

[2:57:56] Voice 21: some more questions from the floor that's great yes yes isn't it pleased for a comment on that

[2:58:01] Voice 21: that doesn't have a question on that issue

[2:58:04] Voice 21: i would say the public hearing it's comments

[2:58:08] Voice 21: yeah i think if you want to say a statement about your position or your view of the process or the

[2:58:14] Voice 21: bylaw about

[2:58:15] Voice 19: being about the way the

[2:58:18] Voice 19: letters are weighted and above i

[2:58:20] Voice 21: think yeah we could hear that

[2:58:22] Voice 21: because it is absolutely about the the process and we need to take that into account okay so

[2:58:27] Voice 21: So my

[2:58:28] Voice 19: situation is I live in two places.

[2:58:30] Voice 19: I live in my cabin, and I'm very present in both of them.

[2:58:37] Voice 25: And

[2:58:37] Voice 19: so I would be affected by whatever happens

[2:58:41] Voice 4: and have been here basically all my whole life, you know, part-time.

[2:58:46] Voice 4: And I know that a lot of people are, that have a very vested,

[2:58:49] Voice 4: you know, they're

[2:58:51] Voice 21: very vested in what happens here.

[2:58:54] Voice 19: and me i sort of is upsetting to think of weight being given because maybe you don't know

[2:59:00] Voice 19: the personal involvement and commitment of the person right it's just a name to

[2:59:06] Voice 19: you you like

[2:59:06] Voice 19: i am and then if you're going to weigh my number i hope you're also going to take any consideration

[2:59:12] Voice 19: people like i don't go away for two to three months every winter right and people that this

[2:59:19] Voice 19: is their principal

[2:59:19] Voice 4: rents is they could and so we're not going to start you know saying you know

[2:59:24] Voice 4: you're here six months plus a day or whatever but i do think it's important to realize that

[2:59:29] Voice 4: the

[2:59:30] Voice 20: weight is sort of subjective and it would be reassuring to know that

[2:59:36] Voice 21: one's commitment and

[2:59:38] Voice 20: concern was

[2:59:40] Voice 21: no that's my comment that's a very good point and so i i guess my charge to this

[2:59:47] Voice 21: community and anybody who wants to weigh in on a bylaw process is write your reasons why it's

[2:59:54] Voice 21: important to you maybe it's not important where you're from but your rationale is the key information

[3:00:00] Voice 21: that we're looking for how does this affect you and so that's why i'm saying somebody who just

[3:00:05] Voice 21: says i write in support of this even though they might be from south bender and live here 100%

[3:00:10] Voice 21: of the time i don't understand why and so as somebody coming from the outside i'm looking

[3:00:16] Voice 21: to understand how does this proposed bylaw affect you so simply volume of correspondence for and

[3:00:23] Voice 21: against is not as valuable information as the reasons why opposed change affects someone

[3:00:31] Voice 21: and one letter can outweigh and I think trustee Falk you've said this before someone who writes

[3:00:37] Voice 21: like a really good rationale and say this is that can cause us to really think and reflect well

[3:00:44] Voice 21: extrapolate that into the future is that going to be a major issue we're charged with looking

[3:00:49] Voice 21: after the well-being of the community as well in concert with everyone else

[3:00:54] Voice 21: sorry and so sorry I'm going on too long but I take your point thank you it's not

[3:00:59] Voice 21: just about geographic location I would say it's more important to put the

[3:01:02] Voice 21: rationale yeah

[3:01:03] Voice 19: and

[3:01:05] Voice 21: two more questions back there and then to you Mel over to

[3:01:08] Voice 21: you

[3:01:09] Voice 27: the last couple of letters I sent to the trust committee I had my address on

[3:01:15] Voice 27: the top and and and the uh the staff at the trust before they issued it took redacted my address so

[3:01:24] Voice 27: from now on i'm going to put in the first line of my letters i'm full-time subprime resident and i

[3:01:31] Voice 27: suggest that anybody else would do that too if you want to identify that you are a resident here

[3:01:36] Voice 21: okay

[3:01:36] Voice 21: thank you sir and over there yes thank you chair i

[3:01:40] Voice 20: don't have a question about the bylaw i just have

[3:01:43] Voice 20: a question if um we can clarify um the comment that was made by flannery stockdale at the

[3:01:49] Voice 20: beginning of her introduction i believe i heard her say and i'm not sure about this

[3:01:55] Voice 20: has the bible had first reading oh yes it has yeah very much i misunderstood what she said

[3:02:02] Voice 21: thank you and then yes yeah it's mostly for you day um because you said that the reason you

[3:02:10] Voice 21: support large homes is for multi-generational living and i wondered why not put that into the

[3:02:17] Voice 21: wording of the bylaw then if that's if that's your main reason for for supporting a larger house

[3:02:24] Voice 21: um we're a family who are doing in the pros of building a large house it seems like an

[3:02:30] Voice 21: embarrassment but there will be at least eight of us living there and it's four thousand square feet

[3:02:34] Voice 21: which is actually less per person than many many homes is and we didn't have to get a variance we

[3:02:41] Voice 21: were just by the way we planned it it ended up being like 3,999 square feet we were allowed

[3:02:50] Voice 21: 4,000 on our property and we did that based on the design we wanted and what we could afford

[3:02:56] Voice 21: also so so I'm just saying multi-generational living doesn't have to be a monster house

[3:03:02] Voice 21: and if that's why you believe that like in terms of upholding environmental principles then why

[3:03:10] Voice 21: not put that wording right in there and you know there could be lots of wording in the bylaw that

[3:03:15] Voice 21: for example our house is also passive and there could be wording about you know what have you

[3:03:21] Voice 21: thought about doing those things so i know the question is directed today um just if i could

[3:03:27] Voice 21: put one thought forward is that we regulate land use we do not regulate how people live we cannot

[3:03:35] Voice 21: put conditions on a house size can be this size if eight people live in it so it is land use

[3:03:44] Voice 21: only which is why it's quite restrictive but over to you

[3:03:49] Voice 6: yeah that's a good segue that's exactly the

[3:03:53] Voice 6: frustration that we're in here we're trying to solve a problem but we don't have half the tools

[3:03:59] Voice 6: to solve the problem yet we're supposed to solve the problem so that you know that's the frustrating

[3:04:04] Voice 6: part and so I would love to do that but this is not the place we can't we can't start adding those

[3:04:11] Voice 6: elements in us as explained to me that's what we should be doing next you know with everything

[3:04:18] Voice 6: goes very slow so it's but that that's what i would be and i'd love to talk about water storage

[3:04:24] Voice 6: solar power uh you know passive all of that stuff right that's what we should be concerned with and

[3:04:31] Voice 6: that to me if we're talking about protecting the environment we could make leaps and bounds of

[3:04:36] Voice 6: difference by by addressing those things compared to house size house size is like doesn't very

[3:04:43] Voice 6: very minimal impact one way or the other compared to those things so yeah

[3:04:49] Trustee Evans (probable): and for myself same thing

[3:04:51] Trustee Evans (probable): it's it's we're upholding the OCP by allowing the various lifestyles we're upholding the

[3:04:55] Trustee Evans (probable): the trust policy for allowing the lifestyles but we can't put conditions on lifestyles

[3:05:02] Trustee Evans (probable): um so and and just because a house maximum is in place does not mean you have to build to the

[3:05:09] Trustee Evans (probable): the maximum but you have but having a maximum that permits various lifestyles without um being

[3:05:17] Trustee Evans (probable): overly restrictive that could be seen as um so what i'm looking for discriminatory um then yeah

[3:05:25] Trustee Evans (probable): that's that's that's that's kind of how i'm looking at it with so much other information

[3:05:31] Trustee Evans (probable): but we can't be prescriptive we can't add those in and i was also going to say we should be really

[3:05:40] Voice 21: place to the public hearing because we're we're i'd really love to move us into the next stage

[3:05:46] Voice 21: um if there's no further questions but especially want to make sure everyone has a chance to ask

[3:05:51] Voice 21: technical questions or clarifying questions about the file itself okay is there anybody online

[3:06:01] Voice 21: i don't see anyone participating yes or so it's not okay so we're going to close the community

[3:06:10] Voice 21: information meeting and um we'll move into our public hearing so sorry yeah no it's fine

[3:06:22] Voice 21: uh three two minute break if we can i do have a timer on what i'm going to do is it's

[3:06:31] Voice 21: time everyone for three minutes and

[3:06:35] Voice 16: you don't need to add your address just process off

[3:06:38] Voice 16: and

[3:06:41] Voice 21: if you would like to speak again you may speak as many times as you wish

[3:06:47] Voice 21: as long as you don't repeat a point you've already made okay so the point of a public

[3:06:55] Voice 21: hearing is that we need to hear all relevant information for consideration of this proposed

[3:07:00] Voice 21: bylaw so i'll go over the the once we open the public hearing i'll go through

[3:07:06] Voice 21: the process but just so you know we'll have a 30 minute timer just to give everyone a chance to at

[3:07:12] Voice 21: least get through once and then you can speak again and again if you need to until everyone

[3:07:17] Voice 21: has had their say you have

[3:07:19] Voice 33: a question so what we said prior to this opening step we don't need to

[3:07:24] Voice 33: say it again no this

[3:07:28] Voice 21: is now the opportunity when we need to say that in support and if you can put

[3:07:34] Voice 21: reasons why i might should i switch to the other camera equipment or is that one doing all right

[3:07:41] Voice 21: it seems to be doing

[3:07:43] Voice 16: okay now okay

[3:07:46] Voice 33: how are you doing

[3:07:50] Voice 33: I'll be reading that, I'm sorry.

[3:07:52] Voice 27: The break was too much.

[3:07:56] Voice 21: Yep, I just want to move on to the floor now.

[3:07:58] Voice 21: Can we stay in our seats?

[3:08:02] Voice 21: Stay in your seats or stand as long as we can hear you.

[3:08:26] Voice 9: Well, I thought they should have been earlier, you know, send them where they are and they're

[3:08:32] Voice 9: passing out there.

[3:08:33] Voice 9: Oh, I got my way.

[3:09:31] Voice 8: I might not last, but I'll put

[3:09:35] Voice 8: my name down.

[3:09:37] Voice 33: Thank you.

[3:09:41] Voice 33: How are you doing?

[3:09:44] Voice 6: Thank you very much.

[3:10:25] Voice 8: I should have

[3:10:28] Trustee Evans (probable): asked the story of the

[3:10:28] Trustee Evans (probable): museum

[3:10:29] Trustee Evans (probable): did

[3:10:29] Voice 21: we

[3:10:33] Voice 21: attach brushes or not

[3:10:35] Voice 21: I can't attach the what

[3:10:36] Voice 21: I can't attach brushes or not

[3:10:37] Voice 21: so

[3:13:39] Voice 22: Again, next year.

[3:13:40] Voice 22: Oh, yeah.

[3:13:41] Voice 22: Yeah.

[3:13:42] Voice 8: See, I said, thank you.

[3:13:45] Voice 8: It's all like.

[3:13:46] Voice 8: I was like, you know, it's pretty nice.

[3:13:51] Voice 8: Well, you know, I'm going to see you.

[3:13:55] Voice 8: I know.

[3:13:56] Voice 8: Yeah, I'm sure.

[3:13:57] Voice 8: I am.

[3:13:58] Voice 8: So yeah, I mean, it's not just.

[3:14:12] Trustee Evans (probable): I haven't actually get to this year and my garden has just gone to gone wild I haven't

[3:14:21] Trustee Evans (probable): okay everyone

[3:14:24] Voice 21: are we ready okay please gather again and um we will get into the public hearing

[3:14:38] Voice 21: 203. Thank you for your patience and bearing with us and still being here today. The public

[3:14:44] Voice 21: hearing for proposed bylaw number 129 is now open. I wish to welcome everyone in attendance

[3:14:51] Voice 21: and acknowledge we are meeting in the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. The island

[3:14:57] Voice 21: Island, Sedais, is the homeland of St. Chauvin-speaking peoples, and particularly the Wissetnich peoples

[3:15:04] Voice 21: who have lived and stewarded these lands and waters, their relatives, since time immemorial.

[3:15:10] Voice 21: My name is Trustee Toby Elliott, elected on Gabriela Island, and I am the chair of the

[3:15:15] Voice 21: South Pender Local Trust Committee.

[3:15:17] Voice 21: I'd like to introduce the South Pender Island Local Trust Committee trustees, Christina

[3:15:22] Voice 21: Evans and Dag Falk.

[3:15:23] Voice 21: I'd like to introduce Islands Trust Planning staff Kim Stockdill and a minute taker and recorder

[3:15:31] Voice 21: Carly Bilney in the background and Emily Bryant. So there is a bit of a turnout. I note there are

[3:15:41] Voice 21: 18 speakers listed who wish to address us but in the event that we do not have a chance to hear

[3:15:49] Voice 21: from everybody and I mean and there are still those who wish to address us and speak to the

[3:15:54] Voice 21: proposed bylaw we we have the opportunity to recess the public hearing as long as we set a date

[3:16:01] Voice 21: and a time that it will reconvene so in essence it would still be open so I don't want us to feel

[3:16:08] Voice 21: rushed today um and I acknowledge that I was late and I apologize for the change in time

[3:16:14] Voice 21: but we want to make sure that everybody has the opportunity

[3:16:18] Voice 21: to voice their perspective and input and support or not for proposed bylaw 129.

[3:16:27] Voice 21: So for my opening statements this public hearing is being convened pursuant to section 465

[3:16:33] Voice 21: of the Local Government Act in order to consider the following proposed bylaws. Proposed bylaw

[3:16:40] Voice 21: No. 129, cited as South Pender Island Land Use By-law No. 114, 2016, Amendment No. 1, 2025.

[3:16:52] Voice 21: All persons who believe that their interest in property is affected by the proposed by-laws

[3:16:57] Voice 21: will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard or to present written submissions

[3:17:02] Voice 21: respecting matters contained in the proposed by-law. Those wishing to speak should commence

[3:17:09] Voice 21: commence their presentation by clearly stating their name and address.

[3:17:14] Voice 21: Members of the Local Trust Committee may,

[3:17:16] Voice 21: if they wish, ask questions of you following your presentation.

[3:17:20] Voice 21: However, the main function of the Local

[3:17:22] Voice 21: Trust Committee members is to listen to the views of the public.

[3:17:26] Voice 21: It is not the function of the committee

[3:17:28] Voice 21: members to debate the merits of the proposed bylaw with individual citizens.

[3:17:35] Voice 21: Everyone will be given a reasonable

[3:17:37] Voice 21: opportunity to be heard and none should feel discouraged from presenting his or her views.

[3:17:47] Voice 21: In considering the proposed bylaw, the Local Trust Committee has received documents which may

[3:17:52] Voice 21: influence its decision. Those documents are available for review during this hearing on our

[3:17:59] Voice 21: website and as indicated in the public hearing notice. Any person who wishes to present a written

[3:18:06] Voice 21: submission to the Local Trust Committee may do so and all written submissions must be received by

[3:18:11] Voice 21: the Local Trust Committee before the close of the hearing. Your only opportunity to comment

[3:18:17] Voice 21: on the proposed by-law is during this hearing, as members of the Local Trust Committee may not

[3:18:23] Voice 21: receive further submissions after the close of the hearing. After this public hearing has concluded,

[3:18:30] Voice 21: the Local Trust Committee may, without further notice, make whatever decision it deems proper

[3:18:35] Voice 21: offer with respect to the bylaw that is the subject of the public hearing.

[3:18:41] Voice 21: Island Planner Kim Stockdale will now summarize the public hearing notice, key points of the

[3:18:46] Voice 21: bylaw, and referral agency responses.

[3:18:50] Voice 16: Thank you, Chair Elliott.

[3:18:51] Voice 16: A copy of this notice was advertised in two consecutive editions of the Driftwood on August

[3:18:58] Voice 16: 20th and August 27th of 2025.

[3:19:01] Voice 16: All notification requirements under the Local Government Act have now been completed.

[3:19:07] Voice 16: There is a complete copy of the public hearing binder available during this public hearing,

[3:19:13] Voice 16: and it's located over in the corner here. I also have one here as well, and it's located on the

[3:19:18] Voice 16: Islands Trust webpage. The purpose of proposed bylaw number 129 is to amend the South Pender

[3:19:26] Voice 16: Island Local Trust Committee Land Use Bylaw number 114. Bylaw number 129 proposes to increase the

[3:19:34] Voice 16: maximum floor area for any new dwellings permits the height of a dwelling or cottage to exceed 9.2

[3:19:40] Voice 16: meters of height at any one point reduces the setback for dwellings and cottages from the

[3:19:46] Voice 16: exterior and interior side lot lines from 6 meters 20 feet to 3 meters 10 feet and provides

[3:19:54] Voice 16: greater clarity regarding regulations for shipping containers recreational vehicles maximum floor

[3:20:01] Voice 16: floor area, and agriculture.

[3:20:03] Voice 21: Planner Staskill?

[3:20:04] Voice 21: Yeah, sorry.

[3:20:05] Voice 21: Did you say not permit or permits the height of a dwelling to exceed?

[3:20:09] Voice 21: Is that a mistake?

[3:20:11] Voice 16: It permits, yeah.

[3:20:12] Voice 16: It permits the height of a dwelling to exceed.

[3:20:15] Voice 16: Currently, the land use bylaw number 114, it restricts it to 1 to 9.2 meters.

[3:20:20] Voice 16: Yeah, no, it's good.

[3:20:21] Voice 16: Should have asked that question in the CIM.

[3:20:22] Voice 16: I apologize.

[3:20:25] Voice 16: The proposed bylaw was referred to the Agricultural Land Commission,

[3:20:28] Voice 16: Capital Regional District Building Inspection, North Pender and Saturna Island Local Trust

[3:20:34] Voice 16: Committees for comment. It was also referred to the Cowichan Tribes, Hale First Nation,

[3:20:40] Voice 16: Laiaksin First Nation, Malahat First Nation, Kwachin First Nation, Penelope Tribe,

[3:20:46] Voice 16: Semiamu First Nation, Sinema First Nation, Sheminis First Nation, Lake Cowichan First Nation,

[3:20:53] Voice 16: Sartlip First Nation, Sayoak First Nation,

[3:20:56] Voice 16: Tsawwaston First Nation, Sikkim First Nation,

[3:20:59] Voice 16: and the WSANISH Leadership Council for comment.

[3:21:03] Voice 16: The responses that we did receive to date

[3:21:05] Voice 16: are included in the public hearing binder.

[3:21:09] Voice 16: They've also been summarized in the staff report,

[3:21:11] Voice 16: which is included in today's agenda.

[3:21:14] Voice 16: The majority of the comments we received back

[3:21:18] Voice 16: from the referrals either have states

[3:21:20] Voice 16: states that they have no comment or no objections.

[3:21:24] Voice 16: The one letter referral that we did receive

[3:21:27] Voice 16: with comments regarding the bylaw for potential changes

[3:21:32] Voice 16: was from the Agricultural Land Commission,

[3:21:36] Voice 16: specifically regarding retaining the maximum floor area

[3:21:40] Voice 16: for a cottage in the agriculture zone.

[3:21:42] Voice 16: So I've included those comments in the staff report.

[3:21:46] Voice 16: There were a number of public submissions received

[3:21:50] Voice 16: received to date or at the closing of the notification period yesterday at 4 30 we received

[3:21:56] Voice 16: 60 submissions um and

[3:22:01] Voice 21: i'll pass it back to you chair so a further note on hearing the public

[3:22:06] Voice 21: and submissions submissions can be made at any time during and until the close of the hearing

[3:22:12] Voice 21: so if any submissions are received and they do keep coming in by email and they're forwarded

[3:22:19] Voice 21: by staff in the south office we will pause prior to closing yep

[3:22:24] Trustee Evans (probable): um we received a clarifying email

[3:22:26] Trustee Evans (probable): earlier that said um email submissions were not deemed received and posed 4 30 last night

[3:22:33] Trustee Evans (probable): that was posted um you have to be in person to make a submission now

[3:22:41] Voice 23: that

[3:22:41] Trustee Evans (probable): was from um yes robert kojima yeah i

[3:22:46] Voice 16: clarified that so we did receive a number of

[3:22:48] Voice 16: yeah public hearing submissions after 4 30 yesterday so those are not circulated to the

[3:22:54] Voice 16: LTC but they are received by staff and those are filed but they don't become part of the public

[3:23:00] Voice 16: hearing record okay

[3:23:01] Voice 21: thank you for that clarification I apologize I misspoke because I was seeing them

[3:23:06] Voice 16: come in

[3:23:06] Voice 21: and in other public hearings um they must be considered so thank you for that clarity

[3:23:13] Voice 21: So, but if any submissions are received during the meeting, as in this room, we will pause

[3:23:20] Voice 21: prior to closing to ensure the LTC has time to review those submissions.

[3:23:25] Voice 21: So I invite members of the public who wish to speak to add their name to the speakers

[3:23:31] Voice 21: list or once we've gone through that list, raise your hand.

[3:23:34] Voice 21: Please state your name prior to making comments.

[3:23:37] Voice 21: After your presentation of the LTC, the trustees may ask you questions, but they are primarily

[3:23:42] Voice 21: here to listen and will not debate the issues with you and i've told everyone i'm going to

[3:23:48] Voice 21: give us three minutes um i've got a timer on my zoom here uh you may speak as many times as you

[3:23:56] Voice 21: like but the three minutes is just to give everyone an opportunity to have their say

[3:24:00] Voice 21: and then we can return to you if you want to keep speaking however if you're repeating a point that

[3:24:06] Voice 21: you previously made please know that it has been captured in the official record you do not need

[3:24:11] Voice 21: to repeat it i will call three times for speakers before closing the hearing at which point no

[3:24:17] Voice 21: further written or oral submissions can be made so with that we'll go to our speakers list and

[3:24:25] Voice 21: i believe mr botterill is uh first great

[3:24:30] Voice 24: uh sorry just give me two ones up in there

[3:24:36] Voice 24: Harris.

[3:24:40] Voice 30: Great. Thank you. My name is Rob Botterill. I live at 6606 Razor Point Road

[3:24:49] Voice 30: on North Tender, and I'm a frequent visitor to South Tender, and I'm here today in my

[3:24:57] Voice 30: individual capacity. I want to speak to the impact of proposed Bylaw 129,

[3:25:07] Voice 30: And in particular, I wish to urge you to defer further consideration of the bylaw to allow additional time for consultation with Say Out Nation and Eric Pelkey, Community Engagement Coordinator for the Wisonich Leadership Council.

[3:25:28] Voice 30: Council. Why am I asking you respectfully to defer this work is that I am concerned

[3:25:37] Voice 30: that the consultation record with Say Out Nation is incomplete. I have been provided,

[3:25:44] Voice 30: as have you, with a letter dated September 1st, 2025 from Eric Pelkey saying that, quote,

[3:25:53] Voice 30: I have concerns regarding the proposed bylaw. Based on my review so far, this bylaw would

[3:25:59] Voice 30: derogate and infringe on the Douglas Treaty rights and practices of say-out members who are out on

[3:26:06] Voice 30: the lands and waters of our territory. We require more time to consider these impacts of increased

[3:26:12] Voice 30: development, particularly along the coastline. Now, I raise this, and it is important to me,

[3:26:19] Voice 30: because having meaningful, respectful relationships with First Nations who have

[3:26:26] Voice 30: interests on these lands is vital. And if consultation is not meaningful, it will set

[3:26:34] Voice 30: the table in a way that others, including myself, seeking decisions and permits and approvals that

[3:26:42] Voice 30: that are impactful on say-out nation rights

[3:26:46] Voice 30: may run into, well, we don't trust your process

[3:26:49] Voice 30: because it's not meaningful.

[3:26:51] Voice 30: And so I truly urge you to take the additional time

[3:26:57] Voice 30: necessary to deal with this.

[3:27:00] Voice 30: My quick review of the say-out consultation record,

[3:27:04] Voice 30: it is pretty thin compared to the work that you've done

[3:27:07] Voice 30: with the community members on South Denver.

[3:27:10] Voice 30: So, thank you for the opportunity to raise this issue, and I know this letter is in the record, so I'll leave it with you. Thank you.

[3:27:19] Voice 21: Thank you, sir.

[3:27:24] Voice 30: I've got to run.

[3:27:25] Voice 23: Okay,

[3:27:26] Voice 21: appreciate your time here today.

[3:27:29] Voice 21: Miss Daphne Lewis.

[3:27:33] Voice 21: My name is Daphne Lewis and the cabin is at 9924 Gallon Point Road and forgive me for

[3:27:41] Voice 21: reading this but it's preferable to me falling on the floor in a dead faint for years, right?

[3:27:47] Voice 21: So that's better.

[3:27:48] Voice 21: I support bylaw 114 and oppose bylaw 129.

[3:27:53] Voice 21: In my opinion, if the measures

[3:27:55] Voice 4: proposed in bylaw 129 were to become a reality, this would

[3:27:59] Voice 4: result in irresponsible stewardship of South Pender Island. We live in a time of extreme weather event,

[3:28:06] Voice 4: prolonged drought, and the reality of the impact of human activity on plants and animals,

[3:28:12] Voice 4: and we need to be really firmly focused on sustainable growth and development.

[3:28:17] Voice 21: Bylaw 129 could encourage the construction of bigger and taller houses which would be closer

[3:28:23] Voice 21: together, eroding privacy and

[3:28:26] Voice 4: the opportunity for a healthy corridor between dwellings.

[3:28:29] Voice 4: These buildings would occupy a greater portion of the lot, and particularly

[3:28:34] Voice 21: on smaller lots, be visually intrusive, and large houses in a rural setting, I feel, erodes the rural feel.

[3:28:44] Voice 21: They would also create more disturbance to the natural environment during construction, and I suspect consume more water when completed.

[3:28:53] Voice 19: So this, I don't feel, supports the rural nature of Sub-Pender Island.

[3:28:58] Voice 19: Bio

[3:28:59] Voice 4: 114 supports the goals of our official community plan while providing for sustainable development and safeguarding the natural environment of Sub-Pender Island.

[3:29:09] Voice 21: My opinion is that Bio 114 must be upheld in the current state with no erosion or changes and that Bio 129 should be rejected.

[3:29:21] Voice 21: Thank you.

[3:29:22] Voice 19: Thank you.

[3:29:24] Voice 19: May I ask that people speak to us or not to the community?

[3:29:29] Voice 21: Sure.

[3:29:30] Voice 21: And just a reminder, please address your comments to us.

[3:29:34] Voice 21: And if you could come and stand a little bit closer just so that we make sure the audio is picked up.

[3:29:39] Voice 21: Thank you.

[3:29:41] Voice 21: We all

[3:29:41] Voice 21: are learning.

[3:29:45] Voice 21: Donna Spaulding.

[3:29:50] Voice 21: Good afternoon, everyone.

[3:29:51] Voice 20: My name is Donna Spaulding.

[3:29:52] Voice 20: I live at 9902 East Side Road. I have interest in an acreage of over 100 acres and one of

[3:30:00] Voice 20: 3.3 acres. So my comments, there's submission for your record. I'm guilty. I wrote a letter

[3:30:11] Voice 20: that said I support. So I am here today to quantify that very short notice. I've written

[3:30:21] Voice 20: and spoken many times the past 10 years on the changes which are proposed by final

[3:30:25] Voice 20: at OTC meetings, at APC meetings, and at public hearings over and over again.

[3:30:32] Voice 20: I have seen repeated short statements, both orally and in writing, for five words.

[3:30:41] Voice 20: I support, I don't support.

[3:30:44] Voice 20: That's simply support, ignoring support for changes.

[3:30:49] Voice 20: There are submissions that have repeatedly offered great detail for or in opposition.

[3:30:56] Voice 20: There have been comments that support compromise.

[3:30:58] Voice 20: We have seen much of this previously.

[3:31:01] Voice 20: Indeed, much has not changed and remains the same.

[3:31:07] Voice 20: Why do we believe this?

[3:31:09] Voice 20: Why do our comments keep coming back to the same thing?

[3:31:12] Voice 20: Perhaps people have just become too weary and are too tired

[3:31:15] Voice 20: and are now simply repeating themselves.

[3:31:19] Voice 20: Perhaps we have become so entrenched in our own positions

[3:31:22] Voice 20: that we can't see the force for the truth,

[3:31:24] Voice 20: We can't understand that one size does not fit all and recognize that Settlementer has

[3:31:32] Voice 20: become a diverse community that has changed, a diverse community rather, sorry, that has

[3:31:38] Voice 20: changed with time and will most likely continue to evolve.

[3:31:42] Voice 20: For most, the large properties are no longer the norm.

[3:31:45] Voice 20: However, time from the original settlers to now, we have managed to maintain our rural

[3:31:51] Voice 20: character through initiatives that currently exist at provincial and trust

[3:31:55] Voice 20: levels. If our community is to be sustained and grow responsibly, we need

[3:32:00] Voice 20: to be welcoming, not so entrenched that new people, or those for that matter, who

[3:32:06] Voice 20: currently live here throw up their hands and walk away. We must continue to evolve.

[3:32:12] Voice 20: Diversity is our strength. House size. There have been many statements,

[3:32:16] Voice 20: interpretations, and opinions around the proposed house size and around non-conforming, be it

[3:32:24] Voice 20: considered legal or not legal, and impacts on previously built or sited buildings.

[3:32:30] Voice 20: The bylaw currently contains conditions that suggest the buildings that do not comply with

[3:32:37] Voice 20: the requirements set out in the current bylaw could be relocated in their current location.

[3:32:44] Voice 20: These conditions are at the whim of the provincial government and amenable at any time, and they can be changed and overruled by the local government.

[3:32:57] Voice 21: Ma'am, so that is three minutes. I know you have more.

[3:33:02] Voice 21: So I'll do that.

[3:33:03] Voice 21: Yes, I'll invite you to,

[3:33:05] Voice 21: we can sue you.

[3:33:07] Voice 21: 100%, you can put your name back now.

[3:33:09] Voice 21: Thank you.

[3:33:11] Voice 21: Thank you for your submission.

[3:33:13] Voice 21: Paul Petrie.

[3:33:15] Voice 31: Thank you, Chair.

[3:33:18] Voice 31: My submission is really related to growth and development on the island.

[3:33:26] Voice 31: And growth and development are increasing at an accelerating pace.

[3:33:31] Voice 31: We've seen that here.

[3:33:32] Voice 31: The 2021 census documents that South Panda is one of the fastest growing communities in the trust area.

[3:33:43] Voice 31: area. The population is twice the rate of the average for the trust area. Trust policy 5.24

[3:33:52] Voice 31: requires the local trust committee to address potential growth rate and develop precise

[3:33:58] Voice 31: policies to manage protection of the environment and maintenance of the rural community character

[3:34:07] Voice 31: that exists here. Our OCP policy 2.24 provides a clear policy for managing

[3:34:16] Voice 31: growth and maintaining rural character. It ensures that land use and development

[3:34:22] Voice 31: is gradual and sustainable and, sorry, that land use and development maintains

[3:34:32] Voice 31: the rural character and growth is gradual and sustainable. Bylaw 122

[3:34:39] Voice 31: enacted less than four years ago accomplished both these goals and

[3:34:44] Voice 31: complies fully with OCP 2.24 and Trust Directive Policy 5.24. I think it's

[3:34:54] Voice 31: important just to reflect for a second that the average house size on South

[3:34:58] Voice 31: Pender Island is approximately 1,850 square feet. That's a

[3:35:04] Voice 31: measure of what our rural character is.

[3:35:06] Voice 31: That is a reflection of who we are as a community and a rural character. Our current land use bylaw

[3:35:14] Voice 31: provides for generous growth potential. Currently there are 25 dwellings on South Pender over

[3:35:20] Voice 31: for over 3,000 square feet. Under land use bylaw one, our current land use bylaw, 116 additional

[3:35:30] Voice 31: dwellings over 3,000 square feet are allowable. That's a 360% future potential growth for the

[3:35:39] Voice 31: island. Under bylaw 129, 232 additional 3,000 square foot dwellings can be built. That's a

[3:35:50] Voice 31: a whopping 800 percent of future growth potential. So that this is bylaw 129 is going to further

[3:35:59] Voice 31: accelerate an already accelerating pace of growth on this island and I don't think that's consistent

[3:36:06] Voice 31: with the directive policy in the trust or with the OCP. I don't believe it's reasonable to conclude

[3:36:13] Voice 31: that the accelerated growth potential under 129 complies with the goal to

[3:36:20] Voice 31: ensure that growth is gradual and sustainable. It does just the opposite.

[3:36:24] Voice 21: Sir, that is three minutes. Can I

[3:36:27] Voice 21: invite you to continue? Put your name on the list.

[3:36:30] Voice 21: Thank you. And John Kharchuk. Hi,

[3:36:38] Voice 14: John Kharchuk, I-925 Selfless Drive.

[3:36:40] Voice 14: Could

[3:36:41] Voice 21: you come a bit closer please? Sure. Thanks.

[3:36:45] Voice 14: I guess what I want to speak to is picking up on the submission that I made that's part

[3:36:52] Voice 14: of the public hearing package. I don't support the adoption of bylaw 129 because I don't

[3:37:00] Voice 14: think that it goes, I think that the framing of it is incorrect. I think that there was

[3:37:07] Voice 14: an opportunity for there to be a revaluation, if you will, of a number of the criteria that

[3:37:14] Voice 14: would allow for a more nuanced view of things. I refer to comments like the one that Trustee Falk

[3:37:24] Voice 14: just made where he referenced the fact that you don't have tools. Well, creating tools are within

[3:37:31] Voice 14: your purview and yet there's been almost no discussion of creating those tools so

[3:37:38] Voice 14: in my submission to you I raise a number of ways in which certain things could be

[3:37:43] Voice 14: addressed that are easily added to the land use bylaw that in the many years of

[3:37:49] Voice 14: these discussions that part of the discussion doesn't seem to have been

[3:37:53] Voice 14: given the same weight so I would urge that you take the opportunity to

[3:37:59] Voice 14: reconsider your position to be more forward-looking instead of backward-looking because essentially

[3:38:06] Voice 14: this entire discussion has been about the adequacy of what was determined before and framing what is

[3:38:12] Voice 14: being decided now based on what was decided then whether it was okay or not okay so i don't think

[3:38:18] Voice 14: i don't think it from my perspective in its current form i can support it thank you sir

[3:38:25] Voice 19: I

[3:38:26] Voice 8: have a question for you.

[3:38:28] Voice 19: No, we cannot debate.

[3:38:29] Voice 8: You can debate, but I have a question.

[3:38:33] Voice 8: Sorry,

[3:38:34] Voice 21: you're right. Question for clarification on your comments.

[3:38:38] Voice 6: Could you give an example of new tools? Because I don't know what that is.

[3:38:43] Voice 14: Okay, so for example, at one of the meetings, you expressed a concern about looking out for our north pender and seeing a property that had been clear cut.

[3:38:52] Voice 14: and you expressed a view that that was really a terrible situation and it was hard to look at

[3:39:00] Voice 14: and shouldn't happen yet there's nothing that's come up in this discussion to date

[3:39:06] Voice 14: that affects a situation like that where it would be relatively easy to put a provision in the land

[3:39:14] Voice 14: use bio that says no clear cuts or that says you can't remove trees from your property without

[3:39:20] Voice 14: having a building permit application. You know I'm aware of a lot where a building application

[3:39:26] Voice 14: hasn't been made and yet they've already gone in and cleared to make a building site in advance of

[3:39:30] Voice 14: that and technically that you know there's mature arbutus that have been taken down and so forth

[3:39:37] Voice 14: and in my view what's happened is now we've created a situation where the forest is no

[3:39:43] Voice 14: longer continuous, where we've affected the natural ecology, the environment and the health

[3:39:49] Voice 14: of the environment for all of us when there could be a provision in there that says you can't do

[3:39:55] Voice 14: that without having a building permit application. I've done this myself, it's relatively easy to have

[3:40:03] Voice 14: trees of a certain size added to your survey when you submit for a building permit,

[3:40:07] Voice 14: it can become part of the discussion. So it's just one tool, one example.

[3:40:11] Voice 14: Thank you.

[3:40:14] Voice 8: Can we

[3:40:18] Voice 6: get the staff to clarify on that one?

[3:40:21] Voice 21: It's a different topic and not related to the to the bylaw but good.

[3:40:28] Voice 21: Kathleen Durant?

[3:40:32] Voice 34: I'm Kathleen Durant and I live at 9968 Gallon Point Rd and I was one of those people

[3:40:39] Voice 34: that didn't send my email. Also a kind person thank you to provide my citizenship.

[3:40:45] Voice 34: We really appreciate

[3:40:46] Voice 21: that, thank you.

[3:40:48] Voice 21: And we'll read it before the close of the public hearing.

[3:40:51] Voice 33: Thank you.

[3:40:51] Voice 21: Thank you.

[3:40:55] Voice 21: And Monica Petrie.

[3:41:03] Voice 2: Hi, I'm Monica Petrie, 9920 Gowan Point Road.

[3:41:09] Voice 2: My letter is about meaningful consultation with First Nations.

[3:41:17] Voice 2: The trust policy sets out the trust policy on reconciliation and consultation with First Nations.

[3:41:26] Voice 2: First Nations considered the trust area to be within their traditional territory.

[3:41:31] Voice 2: As such, they may have rights to and interests in the trust area.

[3:41:35] Voice 2: Proposed regulations that may affect Aboriginal rights will be preceded by meaningful consultation

[3:41:42] Voice 2: and address negotiation of conflicts with known claims.

[3:41:49] Voice 2: Meaningful consultation is an issue here, I believe.

[3:41:56] Voice 2: Given the stated commitment of the Press Policy Statement

[3:42:00] Voice 2: to engage in meaningful consultation,

[3:42:03] Voice 2: it's disappointing and indeed fortunate

[3:42:05] Voice 2: that our trustees abandoned Bylaw 123

[3:42:07] Voice 2: to amend our OCP with respectful recognition

[3:42:10] Voice 2: recognition of the Wissanich people after receiving a referral of that bylaw from the

[3:42:15] Voice 2: Minister of Municipal Affairs, encouraging trustees to engage in more meaningful consultation.

[3:42:23] Voice 2: Truth and reconciliation is very much a current issue for us on Steyers Fender Island,

[3:42:30] Voice 2: living on unceded Wissanich traditional homeland. Dunkirk's treaty rights, including the right to

[3:42:39] Voice 2: to fish, hunt, and gather as formerly,

[3:42:42] Voice 2: it is only possible if we have maintained

[3:42:45] Voice 2: a healthy ecosystem, unpolluted coastal shore zone,

[3:42:51] Voice 2: and take steps to reduce the impacts

[3:42:54] Voice 2: of increased development.

[3:42:56] Voice 2: Our former MLA, Adam Olson,

[3:42:59] Voice 2: has reminded Canadians in a recent substack

[3:43:03] Voice 2: that Indigenous rights are an obligation

[3:43:08] Voice 2: obligation to First Nations and not subject to public opinion.

[3:43:13] Voice 2: As well, reciprocal care for the land and

[3:43:16] Voice 2: waters is a duty under Indigenous law, and we Islanders have benefited from this

[3:43:22] Voice 2: duty of care as a unique amenity of the Trust Area Islands.

[3:43:28] Voice 2: We should be planning to support and enhance our island's environment and

[3:43:33] Voice 2: fragile ecosystem for coming generations.

[3:43:35] Voice 2: We know that Chief Pelkey has sent a letter and made comments, and I urge trustees to

[3:43:46] Voice 2: heed his request for more full consultation with BLTC on the potential impacts of By-law

[3:43:58] Voice 2: 29 on the same page traditional territory as a member of the uh south pender status

[3:44:15] Voice 21: and next charlotte edwards my

[3:44:24] Voice 4: name is charlotte edwards and i live at 98 58 canal road south

[3:44:29] Voice 4: pender i have been a property owner for 29 years full residence since 2016. i support the change

[3:44:37] Voice 4: change in bylaw 129. The 10-foot interior site setback allows the owner to select an environmentally

[3:44:43] Voice 4: building site at the lot. We collect rainwater for our potable water system and having the

[3:44:50] Voice 4: cistern on the same level as the house reduces ongoing energy needs. I believe the proposed

[3:44:56] Voice 4: change in house size will also help support different lifestyles and larger bans. Thank you.

[3:45:02] Voice 4: thank

[3:45:03] Voice 21: you and next rick freeson hi

[3:45:11] Voice 10: rick freeson 976 canal road i speak in support of bylaw 129

[3:45:17] Voice 10: i feel that it preserves the direction of bill 122 which increased setbacks and reduced house

[3:45:25] Voice 10: sizes from the original bylaw 114 but it rolled back enough of the problematic amendments to

[3:45:33] Voice 10: preserve and protect the rights of property owners who built under the original

[3:45:37] Voice 10: Bylaw 114. I also believe that

[3:45:40] Voice 10: submissions without evidence that there's a direct, simple, and causal

[3:45:45] Voice 10: relationship between house sizes, at least within the modest house sizes

[3:45:49] Voice 10: typical of Pender Island, even under Bill 114,

[3:45:54] Voice 10: that those arguments should be

[3:45:57] Voice 10: discounted in favor of things that

[3:46:01] Voice 10: that actually apply to physical house size and setbacks.

[3:46:07] Voice 10: I also have three submissions,

[3:46:12] Voice 10: late submissions, which I'll table.

[3:46:14] Voice 10: They are from visitors to the island, off island.

[3:46:18] Voice 10: They can be discounted, but there may be three reasons.

[3:46:21] Voice 10: There are three reasons why these off island people

[3:46:24] Voice 10: should, this opinion should be counted.

[3:46:29] Voice 10: They may be frequent visitors to the island,

[3:46:32] Voice 10: staying in places that are affected by bill uh 122 129 114 they may be owners of property on south

[3:46:40] Voice 10: pender island and intended to build on it and number three they may be part-time residents

[3:46:45] Voice 10: whose actual resident of residence of record is off island due to tax or other reasons so those

[3:46:54] Voice 10: are three submitted at table thank you thank you

[3:46:59] Voice 21: and we next have gordy duncan oh sorry

[3:47:07] Voice 21: debbie friesen apologies and i have three more lads to submit same

[3:47:13] Voice 32: reasons maybe off island

[3:47:17] Voice 32: and they're in support of bill 129.

[3:47:20] Voice 21: so just your name and uh residence or well this is not for me

[3:47:25] Voice 21: this is yes no I just meant oh my name your name Debbie's reason we live at

[3:47:30] Voice 21: nine eight seven six canal road thank

[3:47:33] Voice 33: you yeah okay

[3:47:35] Voice 21: now Gordy Duncan Gordy

[3:47:43] Voice 11: Duncan eighty two six canal road I'm speaking in support of one two nine yeah

[3:47:49] Voice 11: one two nine with the adoption of the bylaw one two nine you will have

[3:47:54] Voice 11: accomplished a set of regulations that are not only fair and reasonable but

[3:48:00] Voice 11: they are fully compliant with the OCP. Fully compliant with the OCP. The OCP is a document

[3:48:06] Voice 11: developed through community consensus. It serves as a guide for bylaws that represent collective

[3:48:13] Voice 11: views of the community rather than those of individual interest groups or their interpretations.

[3:48:22] Voice 11: The proposed regulations in 129 align with comparable official community plans and LUBs

[3:48:30] Voice 11: across the southern gulf islands and more than likely the entire trust area nevertheless many

[3:48:38] Voice 11: of our zones will continue to have some of the most restrictive maximum building sizes

[3:48:44] Voice 11: among all jurisdictions significantly bylaw 129 now acknowledges the status of

[3:48:53] Voice 11: 23% at least of legally constructed homes prior to September of 2022.

[3:49:01] Voice 11: It further stipulates that any of these dwellings, upgrades, reconstructions, or existing dwellings must comply either with the newly established minimum size regulation or the dwelling size as of September 2022.

[3:49:24] Voice 11: The environmental impact of 129 is basically zero. There were 280 lots

[3:49:34] Voice 11: 15 years ago, there are 280 lots today. So you're not doing anything in that respect.

[3:49:44] Voice 11: Now theoretical note, if you took the 500 square feet that you're proposing to add and put it

[3:49:53] Voice 11: on the 280 lots that we have that will consume 3.2 acres of South Bender's 2,308 acres.

[3:50:03] Voice 11: The impact of this scenario on the environment and rural character represents 0.001% of additional

[3:50:13] Voice 11: lot carry coverage of the entire island.

[3:50:16] Voice 11: I would like to point out also that North Pender, including Magic Lake, the maximum

[3:50:26] Voice 11: dwelling lots under two acres is 500 square feet larger than those that are proposed in

[3:50:33] Voice 11: 129.

[3:50:34] Voice 11: 56% of South Pender lots are under two acres.

[3:50:40] Voice 11: But another way, 56% of pender lots will have a maximum dwelling size limitation 500 square feet less than those of Magic Lake.

[3:50:54] Voice 21: Thank you, sir.

[3:50:55] Voice 11: Sir, can I

[3:50:56] Voice 21: ask you to continue?

[3:51:00] Voice 11: Just

[3:51:00] Voice 21: write your name down and you can carry on.

[3:51:04] Voice 21: We're almost through this list.

[3:51:06] Voice 21: Thank you so much.

[3:51:11] Voice 6: That was a lot of statistics you referred to and I can't write that fast. Will you provide

[3:51:19] Voice 6: us with some of that?

[3:51:20] Voice 6: I believe

[3:51:20] Voice 21: it's from a letter you wrote April 28th.

[3:51:26] Voice 6: No.

[3:51:26] Voice 21: No? It's a new one? Okay.

[3:51:27] Voice 21: Fresh.

[3:51:28] Voice 21: All right. Thank you, sir. And then we've got Robert Dill.

[3:51:34] Voice 21: Robert

[3:51:41] Voice 12: Dill, 9911 Dennis Road. I've written a letter. I recently got a new policy statement

[3:51:50] Voice 12: from the Allen Trust with the five policy directions and looking at them, the proposed

[3:51:57] Voice 12: bylaw tends to be going in the opposite direction of all of us in terms of recognizing First

[3:52:04] Voice 12: First Nations Indigenous use, traditional use of the area, of environmental sensitivity and of

[3:52:14] Voice 12: kind of privacy for individuals with setbacks. So I want to voice my objection to the

[3:52:22] Voice 12: proposed bylaw. I think the existing bylaw should be given a couple of years to see if it has any

[3:52:31] Voice 12: ill effects on the community. The two variances that were brought up, if I know them correctly,

[3:52:41] Voice 12: they would still have required variances even with the new bylaw. So I think in some ways,

[3:52:50] Voice 12: we should kind of give time to see whether there's any ill effects with the new bylaw,

[3:53:00] Voice 12: I was the old by now, and I think we'll find that it has very little.

[3:53:05] Voice 12: In terms of living here for the last 50 years,

[3:53:09] Voice 12: my house was one of the biggest houses on the island when I moved here.

[3:53:13] Voice 12: It was a little over 1,500 square feet.

[3:53:17] Voice 12: And in terms of intergenerational living, I'm seeing less and less of that.

[3:53:24] Voice 12: Kind of young people are not staying on the island.

[3:53:29] Voice 12: There's fewer and fewer intergenerational living situations, and I admire yours, but

[3:53:37] Voice 12: I think we should be able to live easily within the footprint that the existing bylaws give

[3:53:47] Voice 12: us options for.

[3:53:48] Voice 12: Thank you.

[3:53:48] Voice 33: Thank you, sir.

[3:53:54] Voice 21: okay and last speaker on this list Faye uh is it Morganson Morganson thank you I haven't prepared

[3:54:03] Voice 21: anything written I have written to you already um so Faye Morganson 9917 Spalding Road and

[3:54:10] Voice 21: yeah as one of those people who is living intergenerational I'm very cognizant of the

[3:54:17] Voice 21: younger generation both the 30-somethings and the four-somethings um and I just think a lot

[3:54:25] Voice 21: about the future like like what we're doing on our property is Christian I hope to enjoy for

[3:54:31] Voice 21: 20 or 30 years but it's you know I'm thinking so often of of of of Cosmo he'll be the one who

[3:54:39] Voice 21: picks the walnuts um he's four um anyway i just feel i feel concerned um about about increasing

[3:54:50] Voice 21: the house size um because i know in other jurisdictions there's sort of this domino effect

[3:54:59] Voice 21: that an extremely wealthy person moves in builds a great big house invites their friends for a party

[3:55:05] Voice 21: And then they think, oh, that's beautiful.

[3:55:09] Voice 21: So, Kendra, it's beautiful.

[3:55:10] Voice 21: Let's buy a property and we'll build our own mansion.

[3:55:14] Voice 21: And that's how I think that that's where I see the danger of enlarged house size.

[3:55:23] Voice 21: I think when we moved here, we were asked by our realtor to read the official community plan.

[3:55:28] Voice 21: and we were thrilled to read what um the conservation ethic and the upholding of rural

[3:55:37] Voice 21: values and we certainly enjoy the ambience here and we i just really hope that we won't um i mean

[3:55:44] Voice 21: our world is going crazy isn't it with with um this i think brought on by the media we see people

[3:55:51] Voice 21: in films living in great big houses so then we think we should too i mean it's it's kind of a

[3:55:56] Voice 21: disease of our culture and i don't i don't like to support that so

[3:56:01] Voice 8: that's why i urge you not to

[3:56:04] Voice 8: pass by the 129.

[3:56:06] Voice 21: thank you okay so that takes us through our first uh speakers list i'll just

[3:56:14] Voice 21: get all these other submissions i think that was it i'm gonna pass them we'll look at those

[3:56:26] Voice 21: Okay. Is it Paul? Yes. Oh, sorry. Paul Petrie and Gordy and then Donna Spaulding. Okay.

[3:56:36] Voice 31: Thank you, Chair. I was just wrapping up my point before about my view that given the

[3:56:44] Voice 31: accelerating pace of developments on Pender already, and the increased pace of development

[3:56:50] Voice 31: bylaw 129 would cause that it does not comply with our current OCP 2.24 and I'll just leave

[3:57:02] Voice 31: it there. The other point that I wanted to make is that trust policy directive 3.4.4

[3:57:12] Voice 31: requires local trust committees to protect sensitive coastal areas. Two submissions

[3:57:18] Voice 31: from representatives from First Nations have expressed the need to protect their inherent

[3:57:23] Voice 31: right, especially in the sensitive coastal zone areas. Meaningful consultation, as the Islands

[3:57:31] Voice 31: Trust purports to have, has not yet happened. That's made clear in Chief Eric Pelkey's submission.

[3:57:42] Voice 31: He does not support Bylaw 129 because of a possible infringement on Douglas Treaty rights.

[3:57:49] Voice 31: that's a very serious issue for LTC to consider. Before any step is taken to enact bylaw 129,

[3:57:58] Voice 31: further meaningful consultation is needed to ensure that First Nations inherent rights

[3:58:04] Voice 31: are protected and for this reason alone it is premature to give further consideration to bylaw

[3:58:09] Voice 31: Antonio, thank you.

[3:58:12] Voice 21: Thank you. And a question for you, sir.

[3:58:14] Voice 6: Yes. Well, you may know this, but

[3:58:22] Voice 6: I don't. I'm trying to understand the impact that it potentially could have for the First Nations

[3:58:30] Voice 6: on the coastal area. We're keeping the same setback from the sea. And so I'm trying to

[3:58:39] Voice 6: stretch my mind to see what any other possible impact that it may have and so that if you can

[3:58:44] Voice 6: help me with pointing me in the right direction i appreciate it

[3:58:47] Voice 31: thank you the other statement that

[3:58:49] Voice 31: you have is from uh the sanich selwyn uh the uh the elders council that guides um the local band

[3:59:01] Voice 31: councils around cultural issues and one of the points they made in their letter that really

[3:59:06] Voice 31: speaks to your point, Dag, is that they appreciate the 50-foot setback, and they believe that their

[3:59:16] Voice 31: coastal zone and their interest is not restricted to 50 feet, but that depends upon the nature of

[3:59:22] Voice 31: the land itself. So they did express that their concern about protecting coastal areas, and

[3:59:27] Voice 31: And again, I'm referring to the Trust Policy Directive 3.44 about coastal zone.

[3:59:38] Voice 31: The 50-foot setback is one element of that, but they're saying that their interests have a broader coastal zone application than 50 feet.

[3:59:50] Voice 31: So that's something that maybe the trustees will get a better understanding of when you do more full and meaningful consultation with the First Nations.

[4:00:00] Voice 25: And

[4:00:02] Voice 21: I believe it was Gordie Duncan.

[4:00:05] Voice 21: Sorry, I can't see.

[4:00:07] Voice 21: Gordie, then Donna.

[4:00:08] Voice 21: Gordie, and then Donna.

[4:00:12] Voice 11: I was pretty much done anyway.

[4:00:14] Voice 11: I apologize.

[4:00:15] Voice 11: I think that you can proceed with 129 with a clear conscience,

[4:00:21] Voice 11: knowing that you've done your due diligence,

[4:00:24] Voice 11: but you've also fulfilled your election campaign commitment of reviewing

[4:00:29] Voice 11: bylaw 122.

[4:00:31] Voice 11: This can be done with the full knowledge that the survey done in October 2022, where one of the authors of Bylaw 122 and the incumbent trustee at the time was firmly defeated in a bid for re-election.

[4:00:52] Voice 11: And that's a pretty important survey.

[4:00:56] Voice 11: Thank you.

[4:00:57] Voice 11: Thank you.

[4:01:03] Voice 8: And

[4:01:03] Voice 19: Donna, follow-in?

[4:01:08] Voice 20: This is two pages, one more, so I'm going to try and summarize a little bit.

[4:01:12] Voice 33: Okay.

[4:01:14] Voice 20: Post sizes.

[4:01:15] Voice 20: We can continue this debate forever, and we have to continue this debate forever, but

[4:01:22] Voice 20: one of the things that we have never, ever considered is that houses that don't conform

[4:01:29] Voice 20: to the bylaw as it stands can have to be disclosed if there's a sale. If you don't disclose that

[4:01:41] Voice 20: because you don't conform, then you can be held liable. It can impact the value of your property

[4:01:47] Voice 20: and it can scuffle the sale. Putting the table back in that recognizes the house sizes in bylaw

[4:02:01] Voice 20: 122 harms nobody. And so I think from that aspect of the amendments that 129 introduces that should

[4:02:11] Voice 20: remain. Setbacks. 10-foot setbacks have been in place forever and clearly most of the houses that

[4:02:19] Voice 20: are built on South Pender have conformed at least to those setbacks. I have an example.

[4:02:27] Voice 20: I support returning to those, but I also have an example.

[4:02:33] Voice 20: We just built a building.

[4:02:37] Voice 20: We are 131 feet away from the lot line.

[4:02:43] Voice 20: Our neighbors have built, we presume under the current bylaw,

[4:02:48] Voice 20: which means that they are 20 feet minimum away from the lot line.

[4:02:51] Voice 20: This is 150 feet between those two buildings.

[4:02:55] Voice 20: it does nothing to mitigate the visual or the noise not a bit we have in our bylaw a definition

[4:03:08] Voice 20: of landscape screening we also have a requirement that when you submit for a building permit

[4:03:14] Voice 20: you have to submit a plan of how you intend to build so if we're talking about how can we help

[4:03:25] Voice 20: mitigate some of these impacts then surely we could enforce the idea of a landscape screening

[4:03:31] Voice 20: and your plan to build should include that landscape screen. Not cutting or cutting down

[4:03:38] Voice 20: trees is not in the jurisdiction of the Violence Trust and that's just very simply stated. So

[4:03:46] Voice 20: 50 foot setback from the high water mark we're going to keep it but we only so need to acknowledge

[4:03:52] Voice 20: that there are many lots on South Pender that already have covenants that cover

[4:03:56] Voice 20: at least 50 feet, and they also cover covenants related to First Nations

[4:04:02] Voice 20: interests and past practices. So we can get hung up on people who live here think is

[4:04:13] Voice 20: right, but people who don't live here think is wrong, but somehow or

[4:04:19] Voice 20: rather we need to come to a conclusion we need to move forward and we need to stop talking about this

[4:04:24] Voice 20: and get on with the things that are important there are houses here that use more water than

[4:04:30] Voice 20: my 750 foot cottage that does not have a dishwasher yet i have to comply with the same requirements

[4:04:39] Voice 20: that they have to comply perhaps those houses need to have higher requirements for water that's my

[4:04:48] Voice 20: mind popper water thank

[4:04:49] Voice 21: you um did you want to give that written submission we have

[4:04:55] Voice 21: one okay

[4:04:56] Voice 21: yeah great thank you um we're gonna hold the public hearing open if there are any more speakers

[4:05:04] Voice 21: if you have anything else you wish to say i'm going to give you ample time yes

[4:05:12] Voice 21: i

[4:05:12] Voice 4: don't have a written sufficient but

[4:05:14] Voice 21: it's okay could you come a little bit closer so we can

[4:05:17] Voice 21: I

[4:05:17] Voice 4: was part of the team that helped support put these new trustees in and they have worked so hard

[4:05:34] Voice 4: to answer questions and to support the community it's it's much more than I ever would have

[4:05:41] Voice 4: have imagined and all of the meetings that you had on a one-to-one basis with people

[4:05:46] Voice 4: I have to support 129 because I support you and what you have the work you put in for our

[4:05:56] Voice 4: community so I would support you again I support you now and I hope things for 129 can move ahead

[4:06:05] Voice 4: head so we can move ahead because we're not moving ahead we have to get that done we have to get it

[4:06:13] Voice 4: cleaned up so thank you both of you thank you please

[4:06:19] Voice 21: no clapping or booing we want to give

[4:06:22] Voice 21: everyone a safe and respectful place to speak so um yeah and so we're calling for again for

[4:06:31] Voice 21: for speakers, I had a hand in the back first.

[4:06:33] Voice 21: And then I'm sorry,

[4:06:36] Voice 21: just pause for two seconds.

[4:06:38] Voice 21: I think Kim has to leave shortly.

[4:06:40] Voice 21: It's OK.

[4:06:40] Voice 21: I'm staying.

[4:06:41] Voice 21: Yeah, we're good.

[4:06:41] Voice 21: OK.

[4:06:42] Voice 21: I'm staying.

[4:06:43] Voice 14: 9925 ..

[4:06:44] Voice 14: So I just want to pick up on a couple of things.

[4:06:48] Voice 14: So I didn't talk about this in my submission in terms

[4:06:52] Voice 14: of tools.

[4:06:52] Voice 14: I heard two things that I think go directly

[4:06:55] Voice 14: to what I'm saying.

[4:06:56] Voice 14: One was about building a science and the fact

[4:06:59] Voice 14: that a larger house may or may not have a bigger environmental impact than a smaller house.

[4:07:04] Voice 14: We can debate that. There's lots of lots of evidence that says a bigger house uses more

[4:07:09] Voice 14: resources both in terms of manufacturing, manufactured resources, transportation to

[4:07:14] Voice 14: get those that generates more greenhouse gas etc. You have the opportunity, I'm sure there's

[4:07:20] Voice 14: expertise within within Islands Trust to gather your own information about building science that

[4:07:26] Voice 14: speaks directly to that. So Donna Spalding's comment about water use, it's you know a bigger

[4:07:40] Voice 14: house tends to have more bathrooms whatever you could have more people living in a smaller house

[4:07:44] Voice 14: to generate as much as much water you could make it a condition where what I set out is that there

[4:07:54] Voice 14: There could be an outright square footage that you can build, and there could be a discretionary

[4:07:59] Voice 14: square footage that you're allowed to go bigger if you incorporate certain features.

[4:08:03] Voice 14: So for example, stress on groundwater is a very big deal here.

[4:08:09] Voice 14: And you could mandate, the building code already mandates that you have to use certain high

[4:08:19] Voice 14: efficiency fixtures and so forth.

[4:08:21] Voice 14: so that's already built into that but for larger houses for example you could mandate that they

[4:08:29] Voice 14: have to do a percentage of the potable water as being rainwater captured and so again those

[4:08:36] Voice 14: tools are available to you if you take the opportunity to explore them and I think the

[4:08:45] Voice 14: the result would be something that addresses

[4:08:49] Voice 14: a lot of the concerns that continue to get expressed.

[4:08:52] Voice 14: Because I think the argument here is not just simply

[4:08:55] Voice 14: house size or setback, I think it's much more thoughtful.

[4:09:01] Voice 21: Thank you.

[4:09:04] Voice 21: And we had one more.

[4:09:06] Voice 31: Thank you, Jim.

[4:09:08] Voice 31: One of the comments that was made-

[4:09:10] Voice 21: And to

[4:09:10] Voice 21: approach, so for the record,

[4:09:11] Voice 21: please state your name again.

[4:09:12] Voice 31: Paul Petrie, Gallifrey Grove, Peggings.

[4:09:17] Voice 31: One of the comments that was made during the public hearing section was how different letters are weighed.

[4:09:24] Voice 31: And one of the letters that I just want to reference is the letter from 10 former trustees who explained in detail their concerns about bylaw 129 and their reasons why bylaw 129 should not proceed.

[4:09:40] Voice 31: and I'd just like to highlight that and suggest that the local trust committee consider and give

[4:09:48] Voice 31: considerable weight to those views of 10 former elected trustees on this island. Thank you.

[4:09:55] Voice 33: Thank you. Yes.

[4:10:00] Voice 13: My name is Christian Inkelstra. I live on 9917 Spalding Road.

[4:10:07] Voice 13: So this is a very interprocentic exercise. We have talked very much about what we want, but I want to speak for somebody that doesn't have email.

[4:10:17] Voice 13: And this is a little snake called the Chateau Snake. It started in 1996 in South Canada.

[4:10:29] Voice 13: We probably don't even know that Chateau snakes are endangered, and in Foucault and South

[4:10:35] Voice 13: Panda Island, it's one of the hot spots.

[4:10:39] Voice 13: And house size really matters for those guys because they have very good taste in real

[4:10:43] Voice 13: estate because they like to live in the same place as we like to live, and that's why they

[4:10:47] Voice 13: were considered endangered.

[4:10:49] Voice 13: So from my point of view, just because I know about the snake development, it's something

[4:10:55] Voice 13: we have to be very careful about and I feel that we need to think very very carefully about

[4:11:02] Voice 13: house size because that does matter in this case because they live around the ocean where most of

[4:11:08] Voice 13: our development is. They live on the exposed outcrops and so forth and for me that is

[4:11:17] Voice 13: something we really have to think about and that's why I just want to bring that to your

[4:11:22] Voice 13: the attention. And by the way, South Panda is designated as the key diversity area for

[4:11:29] Voice 13: Black species. I don't know if you have that. That's it.

[4:11:33] Voice 33: Thank you.

[4:11:54] Voice 21: Anybody has any comments they wish to submit in writing? If you don't feel comfortable

[4:11:58] Voice 21: speaking out, you may also do that. And we'll just keep holding the hearing open for as

[4:12:04] Voice 21: long as it takes. Sorry, pardon me.

[4:12:17] Voice 21: Is it okay to ask a question about the submission time? I mean, is it that submissions would be

[4:12:27] Voice 21: accepted after 4 30 yesterday?

[4:12:30] Voice 17: So yeah.

[4:12:32] Voice 21: And is that posted somewhere? Because I didn't know that.

[4:12:35] Voice 21: It went in the public hearing notice. Yeah. You want to say? Yeah. Start reading the note

[4:12:43] Voice 21: definitely i i i

[4:12:44] Voice 21: miss that as well thank

[4:12:45] Voice 33: you it's possible uh

[4:12:48] Voice 21: so we'll just keep holding the meeting

[4:12:49] Voice 21: open maybe we'll just pause we're going to uh turn our cameras or sorry our microphones off

[4:12:58] Voice 21: and we're going to review the written submissions that have come in um so the public hearing is

[4:13:03] Voice 21: still open we're just going to give the local trust committee chance to review what's come in

[4:13:09] Voice 21: in the last um 30 minutes so we'll take the time to do that now a

[4:13:16] Voice 26: question about submissions so

[4:13:18] Voice 26: submissions are coming in now that you're accepting written

[4:13:22] Voice 21: submissions in this room

[4:13:24] Voice 21: can still be made

[4:13:26] Voice 22: not uh so

[4:20:50] Voice 21: we are now going to proceed to close the public hearing no no no

[4:20:57] Voice 21: know well not quite okay not quite um yeah i'm not going to close right away there's a there's a

[4:21:04] Voice 21: second and third call so please note after the public hearing closes the local trust committee

[4:21:09] Voice 21: will no longer be able to receive public submissions prior to making a decision

[4:21:13] Voice 21: so now i'll ask once more for any more speakers yes i

[4:21:20] Trustee Evans (probable): have received an email from katie saint

[4:21:24] Trustee Evans (probable): St. Sierra, whose address is 9909 Connery Crescent, to read her email submission, which says my address

[4:21:34] Trustee Evans (probable): is 9909 Connery Crescent, Pender Island, and I'm in support of bylaw 129. Great. I'd also have a

[4:21:44] Trustee Evans (probable): question, a clarifying question, if I may. Yes,

[4:21:47] Voice 21: we were. So just to clear, those who are still

[4:21:52] Voice 21: present in the room trustees have the right to ask you clarifying questions so that's what's

[4:21:56] Voice 21: happening now we're not enter entering debate um

[4:21:59] Trustee Evans (probable): and this is to gordy duncan may i ask um when you

[4:22:05] Trustee Evans (probable): said that the maximum house dwelling size for lots under two acres on south panda

[4:22:13] Trustee Evans (probable): is uh 500 square feet larger than those in magic lake is that small mate yeah

[4:22:22] Voice 34: oh

[4:22:23] Trustee Evans (probable): sorry um may i ask

[4:22:26] Trustee Evans (probable): um i think never mind i think i understand never mind uh no um sorry no i don't yes

[4:22:45] Voice 34: i do never mind

[4:22:52] Voice 21: so asking a second time for any more speakers yes any chair or hearing

[4:23:03] Voice 20: from me yep i think

[4:23:05] Voice 20: donald spaulding nine nine zero two east side road a couple of comments i'll be brief there

[4:23:10] Voice 20: have been some comments that the ltc has demonstrated no support reasons supporting

[4:23:15] Voice 20: the proposed changes i believe that the reasons are covered in the mandate they took on as our

[4:23:21] Voice 20: our elected representatives. They have listened to all of our comments. They have held sessions

[4:23:26] Voice 20: to understand the issues and offer the community opportunity to provide suggestions and options to

[4:23:32] Voice 20: solve the position of the self-pender community. They have listened, they've been respectful,

[4:23:38] Voice 20: they faced adversity, and they are presenting us with, as we have heard, an opportunity for

[4:23:45] Voice 20: compromise. I have two other comments. One with regard to referrals and expressed interest in the

[4:23:52] Voice 20: bylaw. Planner Stockdale advised us at the very beginning of the committee of the meeting rather

[4:24:00] Voice 20: how many people how many referrals have been made

[4:24:03] Voice 23: and

[4:24:04] Voice 20: how many letters have been received with

[4:24:07] Voice 20: regard to those referrals. I believe that the interests expressed and available or available

[4:24:13] Voice 20: to be expressed within those referrals are done we're done let's move on um don't come for me

[4:24:24] we

[4:24:25] Voice 20: really have to find a way to bring this back to the people who were here to start with

[4:24:32] Voice 20: who have made their investments have projected them for their lifestyles now and in the future

[4:24:40] Voice 20: Whether they're here full-time, whether they're here part-time, whether they've made those investments to be here sometime in the future, these are all things that have to be recognized.

[4:24:52] Voice 20: I believe that Bylaw 129 should be approved the way that it's being proposed and that the LTC, through all of the process that we've gone through so far, has heard more than enough.

[4:25:06] Voice 20: To say that previous LTC members do not support what we're trying to do, they didn't acknowledge that they didn't support us when we were in those meetings, which was far more in the direction of not changing than it was in the direction of changing.

[4:25:31] Voice 20: Thank you very much.

[4:25:35] so

[4:25:45] Voice 21: asking a third time for more speakers okay this is now the final opportunity for you to

[4:26:00] Voice 21: hand in a written submission to the local trust committee once the hearing is closed no additional

[4:26:06] Voice 21: submissions will be accepted please be advised that we are closing the public hearing and are

[4:26:25] Voice 21: are now in the post-public hearing stage of the legislative review of proposed bylaw 129.

[4:26:33] Voice 21: The South Pender Island Local Trust Committee can now no longer receive information pertaining to

[4:26:39] Voice 21: the proposed bylaw. However, you can still submit any outstanding questions and comments

[4:26:47] Voice 21: directly to the planner. The LTC may give further readings to the bylaw or defeat the bylaw or may

[4:26:55] Voice 21: minor amendments that do not affect the use or density without further notice or hearings with

[4:27:06] Voice 21: that the public hearing is concluded and we'll return to our regular agenda for the next items

[4:27:14] Voice 21: including consideration of um it's 16.1

[4:27:19] Voice 33: do

[4:27:21] Trustee Evans (probable): i have to do anything over there

[4:27:22] Trustee Evans (probable): no it's uh 16 and

[4:27:24] Trustee Evans (probable): 15 okay

[4:27:27] Voice 6: what are we going to talk about now

[4:27:28] Voice 6: oh

[4:27:28] Trustee Evans (probable): all

[4:27:31] Voice 33: right

[4:27:38] Voice 21: So we did amend the agenda considerably, including moving the town hall to later in the meeting.

[4:27:51] Voice 21: However, I would suggest that we might want to go into 16.1 first, which is consideration of minor LUP amendment project,

[4:28:02] Voice 21: the proposed by-law number 159.

[4:28:07] Voice 21: And then the only other business is 18.1 and 18.2,

[4:28:12] Voice 21: those two meeting procedure by-laws

[4:28:15] Voice 21: and meeting notification by-laws.

[4:28:18] Voice 21: So I do wanna give people at least one town hall

[4:28:22] Voice 21: before we close here today.

[4:28:24] Voice 21: So trustees do have a preference

[4:28:27] Voice 21: how we go through this.

[4:28:28] Voice 21: Should we go right into 16.1?

[4:28:30] Voice 21: 16.1 are you recommending that

[4:28:32] Trustee Evans (probable): we need 16.2 and defer it to the next meeting yeah

[4:28:35] Voice 21: i think 16.2 is

[4:28:37] Voice 21: um probably best left the short-term vacation rental review project could be left for

[4:28:42] Voice 21: our next meeting so let's go into 16.1 we have 74 of our agendas okay i

[4:28:54] Voice 16: just have just a couple

[4:28:56] Voice 16: minutes i just need to make sure just clarify something before i start i'll

[4:29:12] Voice 32: sit down and

[4:29:38] Voice 21: In the meantime, I'll, well, if you're being fun or stuck, there were a breath, um, I apologize.

[4:29:45] Voice 21: Has everyone received this email yet?

[4:29:51] Voice 21: The notice about the

[4:29:52] Voice 28: Islands Trust Policy

[4:29:53] Voice 21: Statement? Great.

[4:29:55] Voice 21: I brought a few paper copies of surveys, but there's an online survey open.

[4:30:00] Voice 21: I can eat paper coffees, there's some there at the desk.

[4:30:04] Voice 21: Yeah, questions?

[4:30:05] Voice 21: You

[4:30:05] Voice 10: can fill out the paper or the online.

[4:30:08] Voice 10: Yeah.

[4:30:09] Voice 10: Oh, there, yeah.

[4:30:12] Voice 8: I got them.

[4:30:15] Voice 8: Okay.

[4:30:16] Voice 8: Okay.

[4:30:20] Voice 8: Oh,

[4:30:27] Voice 32: the parish hall.

[4:30:29] Voice 32: There it is, yeah, yeah.

[4:30:30] Voice 32: And if

[4:30:32] Voice 32: Yeah.

[4:30:34] Voice 8: I'm sorry.

[4:30:43] Voice 8: I was gonna change.

[4:30:50] Voice 8: Right.

[4:30:55] Voice 8: Yeah.

[4:30:56] Voice 8: Yeah.

[4:31:05] Voice 8: I brought myself up to speed.

[4:31:07] Voice 8: You're up to speed.

[4:31:11] Voice 8: I think

[4:31:11] Voice 16: we're up to speed.

[4:31:19] Voice 32: Were you putting the password for it?

[4:31:24] Voice 32: Okay, it's capital C and capital S.

[4:32:07] Voice 8: It could

[4:32:08] Voice 16: be either 4.5 or 2.4.

[4:32:11] Voice 16: So this one, that could work, too.

[4:32:13] Voice 8: Try that one.

[4:32:16] Voice 8: Just try

[4:32:17] Voice 21: and get online.

[4:32:19] Voice 21: Sorry, staff, we're in a, I guess we're in a break.

[4:32:21] Voice 21: I'm just trying to thing, though.

[4:32:27] Voice 21: That's good.

[4:32:40] Voice 16: I'm happy to start, Chair, if you're ready.

[4:32:44] Voice 16: Now that I'm ready.

[4:32:45] Voice 16: We're ready.

[4:32:46] Voice 5: Okay, sorry.

[4:32:48] Voice 16: that there so I am providing an overview of the staff report staff report included in today's

[4:32:56] Voice 16: agenda on page 74 in regards to the minor land use bylaw amendments project this is a post public

[4:33:03] Voice 16: hearing staff report so the purpose is to provide options for the LTC on how to proceed after a

[4:33:11] Voice 16: public hearing and also to provide some potential amendments based on a referral we receive from the

[4:33:18] Voice 16: the ALC and also from comments received in the July 4th LTC meeting. So there are three

[4:33:27] Voice 16: recommendations that I'm going to go over quickly here. The first is section 3.11 and that's in

[4:33:36] Voice 16: regards to derelict vehicles and unlicensed motor vehicles. So currently the bylaw number 129

[4:33:48] Voice 16: as it is right now it entirely removes article 3.111a but as discussed at the July sorry fifth

[4:33:58] Voice 16: meeting the LTC wanted staff to come back with amended wording by retaining 3.111a

[4:34:07] Voice 16: and I provided the wording current and valid motor vehicle number plates so if the LTC

[4:34:16] Voice 16: see likes that wording in recommendation 1a that's where you'll see the motion to amend that article

[4:34:25] Voice 16: 3.111a the ALC referral that we received comments generally had you know no further or no changes

[4:34:38] Voice 16: recommended the ALC did request numerous times for information notes in the bylaws but really

[4:34:45] Voice 16: the intent of a land use bylaw is not to provide information notes on every single ALC policy and

[4:34:52] Voice 16: regulation. So staff, there is a mention of cottage size bylaw 129 right now removes the

[4:35:03] Voice 16: maximum floor area for cottages in the agriculture zone. Staff do recommend, Islands Trust staff do

[4:35:10] Voice 16: recommend retaining that regulation and the ALC would also agree with that as well.

[4:35:17] Voice 16: So that's where you'll see recommendation 1B instead of deleting three sections you'd be

[4:35:25] Voice 16: deleting just two sections and that would retain that maximum floor area for cottages in the

[4:35:30] Voice 16: agriculture zone. In addition the ALC wanted or requested an amendment to the information notes

[4:35:38] Voice 16: in the agriculture zone and that's just again an added reminder to property owners that although

[4:35:45] Voice 16: the the land south pender land use bylaw regulates maximum floor area dwellings also have to be

[4:35:53] Voice 16: consistent with the ALC policies and regulations so in that recommendation 1c is where staff are

[4:36:03] Voice 16: recommending an additional sentence to the information note that states the agricultural

[4:36:10] Voice 16: land reserve use regulation regulates total floor area for a dwelling to not exceed 500

[4:36:16] Voice 16: meters squared on a parcel with an area of 40 acres or less. Generally we don't necessarily

[4:36:22] Voice 16: like putting that in an information note because policies and regulations can change from the ALC

[4:36:29] Voice 16: but this was based on their um their referral comments so staff have included that for the

[4:36:35] Voice 16: ltc to consider so those are the three um recommendations staff have included in terms

[4:36:41] Voice 16: of amendments to bylaw 129 if the ltc does agree with any of those amendments if second reading is

[4:36:50] Voice 16: given we need to ensure that you read uh the bylaw it says second read it a second time as amended

[4:36:57] Voice 16: there's also a motion to give third reading to the bylaw and the last one there is to be forwarded

[4:37:03] Voice 16: to the arms trust executive committee for approval so as we all know that we are post-public hearing

[4:37:10] Voice 16: now so no further submissions can be received by the local trust committee any type of information

[4:37:15] Voice 16: should be sent to staff if second and third reading is given then it would be forwarded to

[4:37:22] Voice 16: executive committee for approval if that's completed and it would actually come back to

[4:37:27] Voice 16: the local trust committee for approval because it's not an official community plan um those are

[4:37:34] Voice 16: the only type of bylaws that require ministerial approval so since it's just a man because it's

[4:37:40] Voice 16: amending the land use bylaw um it doesn't need that approval from the minister i do note that

[4:37:46] Voice 16: had the staff report had I did there was an error in it and I apologize under statutory requirements

[4:37:53] Voice 16: the Galliano LTC application website was referred to and also an incorrect bylaw number I have made

[4:38:01] Voice 16: those changes to the staff report on our web page and also the attachment the ALC referral response

[4:38:09] Voice 16: should have been attached it is on the website although as well and it's already been circulated

[4:38:14] Voice 16: to the ltc so that's not considered new information to you there are alternatives for the ltc to

[4:38:21] Voice 16: consider that is to make further amendments you can request further information from staff but

[4:38:27] Voice 16: that could open up the possibility of requiring a second public hearing or you can receive this

[4:38:34] Voice 16: information or this staff reporter's information if the ltc feels as though it needs time to go

[4:38:40] Voice 16: over the submissions received for the public hearing. You can defer the staff report to a

[4:38:47] Voice 16: perhaps a November meeting or a special electronic meeting if required. So

[4:38:53] Voice 6: I will leave it at that.

[4:38:56] Voice 33: Yes, post is all.

[4:38:58] Voice 6: Yeah, I just want to make a suggestion for the 3.11 derelict vehicles.

[4:39:04] Voice 6: Can we, instead of the vehicle number plates, can we use the word license plate? Absolutely.

[4:39:10] Voice 6: Absolutely, it would be consistent with elsewhere, referring to license.

[4:39:15] Voice 16: So if you'd like to make that if you if the motion is on the table, you'll just want to make sure that instead of reading out what was it number

[4:39:25] Voice 16: What page it's

[4:39:27] Voice 1: license. That's on

[4:39:28] Voice 16: page 74

[4:39:30] Voice 16: And it's the first recommendation or vehicle

[4:39:35] Voice 21: license plate you just change

[4:39:44] Voice 8: um

[4:39:47] Voice 21: so question break can so if the ltc wants to make these proposed amendments

[4:39:57] Voice 21: but then consider the bylaw or the proposed bylaw in its entirety again um we could

[4:40:10] Voice 21: make the motions for the amendments but not read the bylaw a second time is amended or we could be

[4:40:18] Voice 21: read a second time and then not a third and be brought back at a future meeting if the ltc wants

[4:40:25] Voice 21: you could do that to consider if

[4:40:27] Voice 16: you make amendments to a bylaw yes you do have to give

[4:40:29] Voice 16: the second reading but you don't necessarily have to give third reading the bills though you need

[4:40:34] Voice 16: time to consider submissions yeah

[4:40:37] Voice 33: okay and

[4:40:41] Voice 21: a question on the new information so we were asked

[4:40:46] Voice 21: several times well not several times but we've been asked to defer or not consider um so that we

[4:40:55] Voice 21: can give a chance to some speakers who aren't here today to give their comment how would that

[4:41:06] Voice 21: be handled if we can't receive new information post-public hearing that would just go to you

[4:41:11] Voice 21: it

[4:41:12] Voice 16: would just go to staff and it would not be sent to the ltc so

[4:41:18] Voice 21: then it can't be okay

[4:41:18] Voice 21: okay um

[4:41:26] Voice 19: with

[4:41:28] Trustee Evans (probable): regards to the uh the cottage on the agriculture so it's currently sitting in

[4:41:36] Trustee Evans (probable): that's number 11 yes so that will just what you what what if i understand correctly you're just

[4:41:43] Trustee Evans (probable): saying delete these other sections and leave that one yeah that's correct perfect yes

[4:41:47] Trustee Evans (probable): but i just

[4:41:47] Trustee Evans (probable): want a clarification that that's that that's what i yep yes

[4:42:00] Voice 32: i'll share oh go ahead i

[4:42:04] Voice 6: don't i'm not

[4:42:05] Voice 6: sure if we're ready to jump to this but a discussion about whether we should delay or

[4:42:10] Voice 6: or proceed with second and third reading

[4:42:13] Voice 23: the

[4:42:16] Voice 6: the only thing that made me a little uncertain

[4:42:22] Voice 6: about proceeding without a delay was the comments about the consultation with first nations

[4:42:29] Voice 6: and

[4:42:30] Voice 6: I don't want to give the message

[4:42:38] Voice 6: that we're not consulting

[4:42:40] Voice 6: or not open to consulting

[4:42:42] Voice 6: or any of that sort of thing

[4:42:44] Voice 6: but I'm not understanding

[4:42:46] Voice 6: what

[4:42:47] Voice 6: or if there are any options

[4:42:50] Voice 6: for us

[4:42:51] Voice 6: to make any changes

[4:42:54] Voice 6: as a result of concerns

[4:42:57] Voice 6: about the ocean

[4:42:58] Voice 6: mission front

[4:43:01] Voice 6: what it sounded

[4:43:02] Voice 6: like to me is that the concerns maybe outside of what we can do with this particular bylaw

[4:43:09] Voice 6: either as like because we're not changing the one thing that is addressing the ocean front

[4:43:14] Voice 6: the setback we're not addressing anything else in the old or current or the new proposed

[4:43:22] Voice 6: bylaw yeah so

[4:43:24] Voice 6: we probably don't have i'm asking we probably don't have the freedom

[4:43:29] Voice 6: to start adding to it at this point to go outside of the frame that we're in right now

[4:43:36] Voice 6: so if that's the case then i'm not sure that consulting would be respectful even because

[4:43:44] Voice 6: why consult if we've already been told that we have no option to make any adjustment

[4:43:50] Voice 6: yeah does

[4:43:52] Voice 6: that make sense my

[4:43:56] Voice 21: thought on this would be if there's if we aren't clear on the reason

[4:44:04] Voice 21: that um Regitary Chief Eric Pelkey would say that um Douglas treaty rights are potentially infringed

[4:44:13] Voice 21: being infringed upon by with this proposed bylaw um and we want to make sure that there is

[4:44:22] Voice 21: opportunity to understand that concern so that we know whether it is within our

[4:44:35] Voice 21: power and our jurisdiction to address it through this bylaw process or through

[4:44:39] Voice 21: another process. I think the action would be to request more information about

[4:44:49] Voice 21: about those concerns and then we'd have to go back into another public hearing. Is that

[4:44:57] Voice 21: correct?

[4:44:58] Voice 16: That's correct. What it could offer as a suggestion is Hereditary Chief Eric Pelkey

[4:45:05] Voice 16: in his letter did mention that unfortunately due to circumstances and timing I think that

[4:45:10] Voice 16: he needs more time and perhaps it's worthwhile for staff to set up a time with him to go over

[4:45:16] Voice 16: the bylaw and that may help um answer any questions that he may have or it may identify no you know i

[4:45:24] Voice 16: think there is further comments that need to be made to the ltc so staff could reach out to

[4:45:31] Voice 16: hereditary chief eric pelkey set up a meeting to go over the bylaw in detail with him and

[4:45:36] Voice 16: and whomever may want to join that meeting um and then it's just between staff at this level

[4:45:43] Voice 16: we can answer any questions he may have but if he feels no there are actual concerns here and

[4:45:49] Voice 16: that should be addressed to the ltc then we take it you know he can draft a letter to the ltc to

[4:45:55] Voice 16: express his concerns when the ltc receives that it would be considered new information

[4:45:59] Voice 16: and the

[4:46:00] Voice 16: proper procedural process would be to hold a second public hearing okay

[4:46:05] Voice 32: i'm just

[4:46:13] Voice 6: is concerned that our communication is clear that we don't ask an open-ended question that

[4:46:23] Voice 6: doesn't put the boundaries on that that are the boundaries that we are constrained by

[4:46:28] Voice 6: because there might be all kinds of concerns um but the concerns may may be harmed or or

[4:46:37] Voice 6: already addressed within the two options that we have we can reduce the setback to the ocean or we

[4:46:43] Voice 6: can leave it at what it is. I don't know that we have any options outside of that in this process.

[4:46:49] Voice 6: And so we shouldn't be asking a question for feedback without making that really, really clear

[4:46:55] Voice 6: because I want to keep clear boundaries on this so that we don't end up opening a whole other thing,

[4:47:03] Voice 6: which I'm not opposed to opening, but where do we open it? I don't want to open it in a place

[4:47:08] Voice 6: where we can't do anything. I want to open it in a place where we can truly consider it. So

[4:47:15] Voice 6: i think your proposal of having a meeting makes sense with staff and clarifying it but to be very

[4:47:23] Voice 6: clear about what what's on the table and what's not on the table i'd

[4:47:30] Trustee Evans (probable): also like to um yes so having

[4:47:33] Trustee Evans (probable): that having that clarity conversation i think is important um the fact that we are not reducing the

[4:47:40] Trustee Evans (probable): setback to the sea i think has addressed the concern that is that that was our only option

[4:47:44] Trustee Evans (probable): and it wasn't done we have we don't have the option to do anything else with that right now

[4:47:52] Trustee Evans (probable): the other item that was raised was with regards to the house height and the concern raised was

[4:47:59] Trustee Evans (probable): that he wasn't seeing a reduction which caused concern for him that there wasn't a reduction

[4:48:06] Trustee Evans (probable): reduction in the existing cow size, I would like the clarity to be brought forward that

[4:48:17] Trustee Evans (probable): what we have done is continue the conversation that should have been continued, but before

[4:48:24] Trustee Evans (probable): I want you to pass, and what we've done is we found a compromise which has resulted in

[4:48:31] Trustee Evans (probable): a 25% reduction versus a 35% reduction, so it's still an overall reduction, but it's

[4:48:37] Trustee Evans (probable): It's not, and I know a lot of people say we're going backwards, it's this conversation had reached its most divisive point when this bylaw was passed.

[4:48:47] Trustee Evans (probable): We hadn't come to actually reaching a compromise or a point of consensus where the community was saying, I think you can live with us.

[4:48:56] Trustee Evans (probable): We had a very clear set of people that were saying we cannot live with this.

[4:49:03] Trustee Evans (probable): so i think that piece of information has been missed and i think that may have been causing

[4:49:11] Trustee Evans (probable): some confusion so the purpose of what we've done was to settle the discussion and find a place that

[4:49:20] Trustee Evans (probable): we could land that resolved in a compromise and that might help clear up some confusion on the

[4:49:27] Trustee Evans (probable): on the recipient side as well

[4:49:29] Voice 25: so

[4:49:32] Voice 6: what are you suggesting that

[4:49:35] Trustee Evans (probable): as part of the conversation that

[4:49:37] Voice 17: that piece of information be imparted as well with um

[4:49:40] Trustee Evans (probable): if if we're moving forward with a conversation

[4:49:44] Trustee Evans (probable): with chief pelkey oh

[4:49:45] Voice 6: was that his concern as well yes i think

[4:49:49] Voice 21: the point is we don't understand at

[4:49:52] Voice 21: this point what the concern is over a potential infringement the feedback in the formal referral

[4:50:02] Voice 21: referral process from CEDEA First Nation was they reviewed the activity with a proposed activity and

[4:50:08] Voice 21: they don't have concerns um but I do think it's significant that if somebody of Eric Pelkey's um

[4:50:16] Voice 21: um with his role as community liaison and he has been very actively involved with the CEDEA's

[4:50:27] Voice 21: community um and with knowledge transfer i think the there is a real opportunity to clarify

[4:50:32] Voice 21: um how might this infringe on those rights what what would an infringement look like does this

[4:50:39] Voice 21: specific bylaw impact those rights um and and i do think that's the appropriate place to have a

[4:50:46] Voice 21: conversation with staff because they can articulate what is within our jurisdiction and what is with

[4:50:52] Voice 21: not what is not um and then once that information is sort of on the table we can staff can determine

[4:50:59] Voice 21: if if it's if a reconsideration reconsidering but reopening the my law to an amendment

[4:51:07] Voice 21: is necessary at this point we just don't know

[4:51:10] Voice 23: and

[4:51:12] Voice 16: information that staff passes on if we if

[4:51:17] Voice 16: if there is a meeting with Hereditary Chief Eric Pelkey

[4:51:22] Voice 16: will be based on, I wouldn't speak for the LTC

[4:51:28] Voice 16: and I fear relaying the message that you say.

[4:51:33] Voice 16: I think I would just stick with the facts

[4:51:35] Voice 16: and if there's information in minutes and so forth,

[4:51:37] Voice 16: we can pass that forward.

[4:51:39] Voice 16: But I fear that there's a little bit of a gray area

[4:51:41] Voice 16: if I start interpreting perhaps the message

[4:51:44] Voice 16: that yourself trustee Evans you want to relay and that's not necessarily coming from the LTC

[4:51:52] Voice 16: as a whole so we'd be keeping it pretty technical yeah

[4:51:57] Trustee Evans (probable): yeah but I think we have discussed this

[4:51:59] Trustee Evans (probable): openly many many many times and on the things but

[4:52:02] Voice 21: but but if it's not well understood that can lead

[4:52:05] Voice 21: to perception that we are proceeding without considering those concerns and those concerns

[4:52:13] Voice 21: we may not be able to address them within the context of this bylaw amendment right but to

[4:52:21] Voice 21: proceed without acknowledging okay you've got concerns we want to continue building a good

[4:52:27] Voice 21: relationship and make sure that those concerns are understood even if they cannot be addressed

[4:52:33] Voice 21: within this proposed bylaw amendment maybe they can but if they can't at least we've had the

[4:52:39] Voice 21: the conversation and um that will lead i think to a more respectful understanding i think just to go

[4:52:47] Voice 21: ahead without giving that space to understand more um probably it's just business as usual

[4:52:55] Voice 21: we've done the referral yes we heard your concerns but we're not going to do anything about it that's

[4:53:00] Voice 21: that would be my

[4:53:01] Voice 15: that

[4:53:03] Voice 21: would be where i don't i don't want to see us proceed under those

[4:53:07] Voice 21: we've given ample opportunity for the community to express its own right yeah so i just wanted

[4:53:13] Trustee Evans (probable): to clarify what i was saying earlier um so the the timeline of the previous trustees and then

[4:53:19] Trustee Evans (probable): this term of this trustee within the the range of this topic is all um publicly available yes

[4:53:27] Trustee Evans (probable): yeah but um for somebody stepping in and just seeing the referral packet wouldn't have that

[4:53:33] Trustee Evans (probable): background information absolutely

[4:53:34] Voice 32: so what i'm

[4:53:34] Trustee Evans (probable): saying is please impart absolutely why we are

[4:53:39] Trustee Evans (probable): where we are and why we are considering what we're considering that i just want to clarify

[4:53:44] Trustee Evans (probable): that's what i'm doing i'm not saying from me please tell them this absolutely okay

[4:53:49] Voice 16: great so

[4:53:50] Voice 16: um in respect of the letter the ltc received from hereditary chief eric pelkey

[4:53:56] Voice 16: would the LTC be open to put forward a motion stating that the South Pender LTC

[4:54:04] Voice 16: request staff to reach out to Eric Pilkey to discuss the letter dated so forth so there's

[4:54:12] Voice 16: more of a formal something on the record or you can informally through the meeting minutes we can

[4:54:18] Voice 16: know that staff will reach out to Chief Hulkey.

[4:54:23] Trustee Evans (probable): I guess the other piece too would be when we're

[4:54:27] Trustee Evans (probable): doing it.

[4:54:28] Trustee Evans (probable): Sorry yeah he keeps

[4:54:29] Trustee Evans (probable): raising his hand. Recognizing trust default. Sorry

[4:54:32] Voice 6: I'm spacing the

[4:54:32] Voice 6: wrong way. This one I'm on the same page as what you're proposing there Kim. To prevent perceptions

[4:54:43] Voice 6: of somebody hijacking our process by delaying it,

[4:54:49] Voice 6: I think we should have a timeline.

[4:54:52] Voice 6: So, because I think we are at that crossroads

[4:54:56] Voice 6: where our process, if delayed too much,

[4:54:59] Voice 6: could derail the whole thing.

[4:55:01] Voice 6: And I don't want to go down that road.

[4:55:06] Voice 6: And I don't

[4:55:07] Voice 6: want anybody to make accusations.

[4:55:10] Voice 6: And I don't want anybody to feel

[4:55:12] Voice 6: that there's a president set or anything you know so things should be really clear and uh

[4:55:19] Voice 6: have a timeline that a lot for for this constant for this meeting that you're going to have the

[4:55:24] Voice 6: staff that we allows us to meet uh our own timeline so that would in my view if we're

[4:55:35] Voice 6: making a motion which i prefer if we're going to go down this road would be included in the same

[4:55:40] Voice 6: motion

[4:55:40] Voice 25: great

[4:55:44] Voice 8: that

[4:55:47] Voice 17: was my point

[4:55:48] Voice 8: okay cherry

[4:55:52] Voice 16: elliott if i may yep if the ltc does um move the motion

[4:55:57] Voice 16: to for staff to meet with uh chief pelkey my second recommendation perhaps would be to

[4:56:04] Voice 16: consider the amendments listed in the staff report potentially give second reading as amended

[4:56:11] Voice 16: as amended and leave it at there and then you can consider third reading at the November meeting

[4:56:19] Voice 25: our

[4:56:19] Voice 16: hope and intent would be hopefully we can schedule that meeting with Chief

[4:56:24] Voice 16: Appelke before that November meeting and it turns out that yes there is information that he feels

[4:56:30] Voice 16: as though must be given to the LTC then that LTC or the LTC can receive that information at the

[4:56:37] Voice 16: November meeting.

[4:56:39] Trustee Evans (probable): Right. Sorry. I would like to caveat that and obviously Sam will

[4:56:48] Trustee Evans (probable): take a look at that. Yes. Because this will cause the process to be reopened. Absolutely. That

[4:56:56] Trustee Evans (probable): should it be deemed that yes, information has to come to us, that it be vetted on its

[4:57:03] Trustee Evans (probable): it's, what am I looking at here?

[4:57:09] Trustee Evans (probable): So if information were to come to us

[4:57:11] Trustee Evans (probable): and it wasn't pertinent,

[4:57:12] Trustee Evans (probable): we had to reopen the public hearing,

[4:57:15] Trustee Evans (probable): but it was going to have no impact.

[4:57:18] Trustee Evans (probable): Right.

[4:57:20] Trustee Evans (probable): Absolutely.

[4:57:20] Trustee Evans (probable): Yeah, then perhaps we don't reopen it.

[4:57:23] Voice 16: What we could do, I don't

[4:57:24] Trustee Evans (probable): want to say that.

[4:57:25] Trustee Evans (probable): Yeah, no, absolutely.

[4:57:26] Voice 16: We can explain that to him as well.

[4:57:28] Voice 16: But if there is something,

[4:57:28] Voice 16: let's say that he has a certain interest in,

[4:57:32] Voice 16: say um um oh my goodness i pardon me uh for sure regulation then that would be kind of beyond the

[4:57:41] Voice 16: scope of this project and that would be just general correspondence received so we can certainly

[4:57:46] Voice 16: talk to them about that you know if there's an interest that goes beyond what's being achieved

[4:57:50] Voice 16: or the intent of bylaw 129 the ltc wants to hear from it but that would be general yeah yeah how

[4:57:56] Voice 6: How does this fit with the rule

[4:58:00] Voice 6: that we can't receive any more information

[4:58:02] Voice 6: because isn't that what we're going to receive?

[4:58:06] Voice 16: Potentially.

[4:58:06] Voice 16: I mean, if Chief Pelkey is commenting specifically

[4:58:10] Voice 16: on the merits of Bylaw 129,

[4:58:13] Voice 16: yes, that would be new information,

[4:58:14] Voice 16: but if

[4:58:15] Voice 6: it's comments...

[4:58:15] Voice 6: But if

[4:58:16] Voice 6: so that you're the gatekeeper for that then

[4:58:19] Voice 6: and so you get it or we don't get it

[4:58:20] Voice 6: because we aren't allowed to hear it.

[4:58:22] Voice 6: That would be, yes.

[4:58:23] Voice 6: And then what would you tell us?

[4:58:25] Voice 6: we would relay the same thing we can't hear

[4:58:28] Voice 16: it no well you would hear it if there is a letter

[4:58:31] Voice 16: and chief pelkey said yes i do want to comment on bible 129 to the ltc he'll drop that letter

[4:58:36] Voice 16: and it will be sent to the ltc well

[4:58:39] Voice 6: we're not allowed to receive it

[4:58:40] Voice 16: well you are allowed to

[4:58:42] Voice 16: receive it but you open up the it's new

[4:58:44] Voice 16: and we have to go into a

[4:58:47] Trustee Evans (probable): new public area so

[4:58:48] Voice 16: i think i

[4:58:49] Trustee Evans (probable): I think what

[4:58:49] Trustee Evans (probable): we're saying is that has to be carefully weighed as to

[4:58:54] Trustee Evans (probable): whether or not we do receive it because we open up the public hearing, but it makes zero change to what we can do.

[4:59:03] Trustee Evans (probable): We shouldn't receive it. If it is information that we haven't received that would impact our decision, then we receive it.

[4:59:17] Voice 6: I think our clarity on the principles or the rules here are a little unclear so like if anyone

[4:59:25] Voice 6: of the public here was to come tell us something new that you know we forgot to tell you we would

[4:59:30] Voice 6: just say we're not here we wouldn't say oh that's interesting well let's have a discussion about

[4:59:35] Voice 6: whether or not we're going to officially receive that we're not going

[4:59:38] Voice 6: to do that with you why would

[4:59:40] Voice 6: we do that with that's

[4:59:41] Voice 21: why it's going through the planner to adjudicate whether it's a a concern

[4:59:47] Voice 21: that the LTC potentially might want to address

[4:59:50] Voice 21: because the planner has been not only with this trust committee

[4:59:54] Voice 21: but the previous trust committee and understand the context

[4:59:57] Voice 21: and be within the jurisdiction.

[5:00:00] Voice 21: of the odds trust that we could actually do something about it and c could be addressed

[5:00:04] Voice 21: through this proposed bylaw amendment and i think those are the three criteria the planner would

[5:00:10] Voice 21: evaluate is this new information the ltc needs to consider and at that point would bring it back to

[5:00:17] Voice 21: the november 4th meeting and saying there is going to be new information um to consider it you'll have

[5:00:23] Voice 21: to reopen the public process and

[5:00:25] Voice 16: just so you're the ltc aware is aware it's not only the planner

[5:00:30] Voice 16: that would be involved it'd be the regional planning manager the director of planning

[5:00:33] Voice 16: services the director of trust area services so it's not a decision that say the assigned

[5:00:39] Voice 16: planner will make it will be involved in different

[5:00:41] Voice 16: levels of um of staff at women's trust if there

[5:00:46] Voice 6: are concerns that you determine as a team that um that makes us that we should consider

[5:00:57] Voice 6: i i think you shouldn't tell us anything about the issue you should tell us there is an issue

[5:01:04] Voice 6: that you've determined is worth uh reconsidering and we should simply make a decision about

[5:01:10] Voice 6: about reopening, like having another hearing

[5:01:14] Voice 6: before we hear what it is.

[5:01:17] Voice 6: Because otherwise, anybody can make a suggestion

[5:01:19] Voice 6: and after we hear it, we decide if we want to have

[5:01:23] Voice 6: another open hearing or not, which is the intent,

[5:01:26] Voice 6: as I read it, of the rule that we don't receive

[5:01:28] Voice 6: more information, is that it doesn't muddle our heads, right?

[5:01:33] Voice 6: Because once we know what it is,

[5:01:36] Voice 6: we're biased in one form or another.

[5:01:40] Voice 6: We have to make a decision if we're going to open it,

[5:01:42] Voice 6: having another hearing without knowing what the topic is but

[5:01:46] Voice 21: it's it's not just the trustee's

[5:01:48] Voice 21: right to have all the information it's the public's right to understand all the potential

[5:01:55] Voice 21: implications of a proposed bylaw because the the public is commenting on the information in that

[5:02:03] Voice 21: binder technical reports uh feedback from say out first nation and all of that but there's an

[5:02:09] Voice 21: unknown now that as public officials responsible for this process and for the public's input

[5:02:19] Voice 21: public may want to have another say because there's new information and that's why it's

[5:02:26] Voice 21: structured this way that all the information has to be on the table so that when everybody comes

[5:02:31] Voice 21: into this room they're commenting on the basis of the same amount of information and so it's not

[5:02:37] Voice 21: not just about our understanding it's so that everybody else can say well now that we've heard

[5:02:42] Voice 21: this i want you know i want to change my position or not so i do agree with you that it would be

[5:02:50] Voice 21: good to know um but it's i think to some degree we have to trust our staff and the planners and

[5:03:01] Voice 21: their knowledge of this like specifically islands trust jurisdiction we know that what we don't

[5:03:07] Voice 21: know is how are douglas treaty rights potentially implicated by something like this and i think it's

[5:03:14] Voice 21: a great educational opportunity it's worth waiting a month at least to to learn even if just for the

[5:03:22] Voice 21: conversation the opportunity to build relationship and not to race ahead to approve something um

[5:03:29] Voice 21: just for the sake of our timelines the other thing too is should

[5:03:33] Trustee Evans (probable): this information come forward

[5:03:34] Trustee Evans (probable): be relevant at the November meeting we would then have to advise staff to post for the next public

[5:03:40] Trustee Evans (probable): hearing which has two months in advance so then this will go into

[5:03:45] Trustee Evans (probable): the next year and we run the

[5:03:47] Trustee Evans (probable): potential we won't be able to open up the STVR project as well so there are a lot of implications

[5:03:54] Trustee Evans (probable): the other thing that we need to sit here and take into account is we are the three decision

[5:03:59] Trustee Evans (probable): makers sitting here we can read the letter and understand that with the setbacks from the C

[5:04:05] Trustee Evans (probable): there is nothing that we can change at this juncture with the spiral so you know is this

[5:04:13] Trustee Evans (probable): something that to to go and look into because we don't have the ability to make any changes with

[5:04:19] Trustee Evans (probable): the spiral anyway and we can take a look at the concern with the house size because it's not a

[5:04:25] Trustee Evans (probable): reduction in house size um and and uh take a look at that and say well you know i feel comfortable

[5:04:33] Trustee Evans (probable): that it's a b and c i'm happy to move ahead or we again we're decision makers we can do that

[5:04:40] Trustee Evans (probable): um our other option is to say you know what i'm not comfortable i wish to go down this path and

[5:04:46] Trustee Evans (probable): get clarification um and get staff to to go and investigate it and and find out if there is

[5:04:53] Trustee Evans (probable): is anything that would impact our decision and bring it back? So I think that's the question

[5:04:59] Trustee Evans (probable): that we're sitting here with.

[5:05:01] Voice 6: Yeah, I think that the staff will make that determination that you

[5:05:06] Voice 6: said that we would make. I don't think we should have that because the moment we have that, we're

[5:05:10] Voice 6: not following our own process.

[5:05:13] Trustee Evans (probable): Oh no, I'm saying that we have the legal jurisdiction to make a

[5:05:16] Trustee Evans (probable): decision. So our decision is, do we move ahead with this or do we fall back and say, staff,

[5:05:23] Trustee Evans (probable): he's going to have this conversation i'm just i'm just verbalizing we have the the legal

[5:05:29] Trustee Evans (probable): jurisdiction to do this okay we do but what we don't understand exactly some things that we've

[5:05:38] Trustee Evans (probable): got the two i'm just i'm just saying this for clarity for everyone that's listening

[5:05:42] Trustee Evans (probable): so and what we're discussing is we'd like staff to go ahead and have that conversation for clarity

[5:05:47] Trustee Evans (probable): and if there is something pertinent and relevant and impactful that it be brought um back in

[5:05:55] Trustee Evans (probable): november sure

[5:05:57] Voice 19: yeah um

[5:05:58] Voice 16: and uh after speaking with joe elliott our senior indigenous um policy

[5:06:04] Voice 16: advisor he did mention that um it may be worthwhile to for staff to contact say out directly

[5:06:12] Voice 16: and to confirm whether another member of their nation is off right just also speak on their

[5:06:18] Voice 16: behalf of say out for obvious trust engagement and bylaw processes so there's certainly more work

[5:06:24] Voice 16: that we could potentially do here because we are in certainly a bit of a gray zone

[5:06:27] Voice 16: and trying to manage that respectfully but properly um was sanich leadership council did

[5:06:33] Voice 16: did express, I'm sorry, the SAO have responded that they have no concerns with the bylaw

[5:06:41] Voice 16: at this time. So, you know, we did do the consultation process in regards to the

[5:06:51] Voice 16: legislative requirements, but there certainly is, we're in a bit of an area that we haven't

[5:06:55] Voice 16: dealt with before. So we want to move forward respectfully, but procedurally correct as well.

[5:07:04] Voice 32: yeah that is an important point it's because

[5:07:17] Voice 21: yeah as we've discussed before the formal

[5:07:20] Voice 21: referral process and the government to government relationship we have received a referral response

[5:07:25] Voice 23: um

[5:07:27] Voice 21: informal community uh outreach to an elder who's very closely linked to this community and

[5:07:34] Voice 21: has a wealth of knowledge and insight and is interested in seeing us move forward in a good

[5:07:41] Voice 21: way I think is very significant input but how do they work together right and how do we consider

[5:07:48] Voice 21: those and respect that input while not overriding the formal response from Seattle First Nation so

[5:07:57] Voice 21: So, and yeah, I think this is just a good learning opportunity.

[5:08:01] Voice 21: I don't believe this would delay us hugely.

[5:08:09] Voice 21: He's asked for more time.

[5:08:11] Voice 21: I think that's a very fair and reasonable request.

[5:08:16] Voice 21: And we have a meeting in about a month.

[5:08:18] Voice 21: So I'm in favor of going through these minor amendments,

[5:08:24] Voice 21: giving second reading, asking staff to reach out and to further understand Elder or Regitary Chief Eric Pelkey's concerns

[5:08:36] Voice 21: as they relate to the bylaw, seeing if the proposed bylaw could potentially address those or not.

[5:08:44] Voice 21: And then I do trust that staff would bring back information whether to reopen or not.

[5:08:55] Voice 21: I will. Yeah.

[5:08:55] Voice 6: So shall we move forward with the second reading and then I would be willing to try to make a motion. Yes.

[5:09:04] Voice 32: Great. We're back

[5:09:08] Voice 21: on page. Let's proceed through those minor amendments. If everybody is in agreement, you want to go with the first one?

[5:09:23] Voice 6: and

[5:09:23] Voice 16: you can read them all together if you wish or you or if you believe there's going to be

[5:09:27] Voice 16: debate between one or the other you can just read it out as 1a and stop there or if you believe that

[5:09:34] Voice 16: they can be grouped together you can read the entire motion for what i

[5:09:39] Trustee Evans (probable): can say at the beginning

[5:09:40] Trustee Evans (probable): before we read this i don't have any concerns with the way that this is worded my my questions

[5:09:46] Trustee Evans (probable): have been addressed.

[5:09:48] Voice 6: Same here. Me

[5:09:49] Voice 17: too. Okay. Do

[5:09:52] Voice 6: it as a package. Do

[5:09:53] Voice 17: it as a package. With a

[5:09:54] Voice 6: license instead of a number.

[5:09:56] Voice 16: Yeah. All right, Carly, we're about to, this is it. Land on that

[5:10:03] Voice 21: plane. Okay. I would entertain a motion from either of

[5:10:10] Trustee Evans (probable): you. Christy Falk?

[5:10:11] Voice 6: I think Christy

[5:10:12] Voice 6: Falk will do better than me.

[5:10:13] Trustee Evans (probable): Okay. So I move that South Pender Island Local Trust Committee

[5:10:17] Trustee Evans (probable): amendment proposed bylaw number 129 cited as south of the island land use bylaw number 114 2016

[5:10:24] Trustee Evans (probable): amendment number 1 2025 by a by deleting section 212 and replacing it with 212 section 311

[5:10:38] Trustee Evans (probable): 1 derelict vehicles by deleting articles 3.11 in brackets A and brackets in brackets 1 in

[5:10:49] Trustee Evans (probable): brackets A and replacing it with in brackets A current and valid motor vehicle license

[5:10:56] Trustee Evans (probable): plates comma or and B by deleting section 2.20 and replacing it with 2.20 section 5

[5:11:09] Trustee Evans (probable): 5.5-Agriculture by deleting subsections 5.5 and 5.5 in their entirety and by making such

[5:11:22] Trustee Evans (probable): consequential numbering alterations to affect this change, and by adding the following

[5:11:30] Trustee Evans (probable): a new section after section 2.2 so it reads 2.23 adding the following words to the information

[5:11:39] Trustee Evans (probable): notes in the agricultural zone the agricultural land reserve use regulation regulates total floor

[5:11:47] Trustee Evans (probable): area for a dwelling to not exceed 500 meters squared on a parcel with an area of 40 hectares

[5:11:55] Trustee Evans (probable): or less.

[5:11:56] Voice 21: Do I have a seconder?

[5:11:58] Voice 6: I'll second that.

[5:11:59] Voice 21: Seconded by Trustee Falk. Discussion on the motion.

[5:12:04] Voice 21: No discussion from me. Excellent. Call for the vote. All those in favor? That is carried.

[5:12:15] Voice 21: So we could proceed and read the new amended bylaw, proposed amended bylaw, a second time.

[5:12:24] Voice 21: and then i suggest we leave the rest of those there

[5:12:28] Voice 4: do

[5:12:29] Voice 21: you want me to read it sure

[5:12:31] Trustee Evans (probable): that south

[5:12:33] Trustee Evans (probable): pender island local trust committee bylaw number 129 cited as south pender island land use bylaw

[5:12:41] Trustee Evans (probable): number 114 comma 2016 comma amendment number 1 comma 2025 be read a second time as amended

[5:12:51] Voice 21: Seconder? Seconded by Trustee Faulk? Discussion on the motion. I do have, I guess, a point

[5:13:00] Voice 21: for discussion to make. I guess I'm a little conflicted as a member of the Local Trust

[5:13:21] Voice 21: Committee, partly because we put so much work into this, and I do feel the public process

[5:13:25] Voice 21: has been good i do i think i've been convinced though that the house size issue um i support the

[5:13:37] Voice 21: current version of bylaw 114 um and the reason is mainly it's not because i think larger smaller

[5:13:49] Voice 21: house sizes are going to make a massive difference in the environmental protection it's that

[5:13:56] Voice 21: that I feel that it's going to cause us

[5:14:04] Voice 21: to go back into another round of for and against.

[5:14:10] Voice 21: And I really don't want to see this community

[5:14:12] Voice 21: go back into revising our land use by law next term again.

[5:14:18] Voice 21: I've listened to so many of the arguments for and against

[5:14:21] Voice 21: and that the current addition of 500 square feet

[5:14:27] Voice 21: would be a reasonable compromise.

[5:14:29] Voice 21: and yet I haven't heard enough that there was hardship caused by the current amendment the

[5:14:36] Voice 21: bylaw and to me the reason to change the land use bylaw would be that it's not meeting the

[5:14:45] Voice 21: community's needs and it is a hardship and I just haven't heard that so I'm really on the side of

[5:14:52] Voice 21: we haven't tested it yet enough to see that it's demonstrating insufficiency in meeting the

[5:15:01] Voice 21: community's OCP goals. All the other pieces, the housekeeping amendments, all the other work we've

[5:15:10] Voice 21: done I think is really good. I think it provides clarity, it moves us forward, makes the bylaw more

[5:15:18] Voice 21: articulate, provide certainty for the future. I love the table that we did and the non-conforming

[5:15:24] Voice 21: issue that was debated but I'm struggling to see how the floor area of going back and adding

[5:15:33] Voice 21: another 500, while I recognize it was at the recommendation of the APC which is a representative

[5:15:40] Voice 21: representative of this um this community um that's just one piece I just don't think it

[5:15:46] Voice 21: demonstrates enough of uh so those are my views as just one person coming from the outside

[5:15:57] Voice 21: but I don't want to undo any of the work this this LEB amendment I don't want to throw the

[5:16:03] Voice 21: project out I don't want to defeat the bylaw um I guess I'm asking what happens if you know

[5:16:11] Voice 21: I I'm not in favor of the that one section but all the amendments I'm in favor do I have to

[5:16:18] Voice 21: vote against the

[5:16:21] Voice 8: bylaw that's the choice that's the first thing I have to make

[5:16:25] Voice 8: yeah so

[5:16:28] Trustee Evans (probable): I'd like to say as well um based on what you said about not giving this bylaw enough time

[5:16:37] Trustee Evans (probable): to see how it would uh go and happen the same could have been said with the previous trustees

[5:16:44] Trustee Evans (probable): and it was said with the previous trustees because we just landed on the original house size

[5:16:50] Trustee Evans (probable): prior to them reducing it so that was also done um what we're saying is because that wasn't given

[5:16:57] Trustee Evans (probable): a chance we need to roll it back a little bit it was it was just too much of a swing of the way

[5:17:03] Trustee Evans (probable): and you know i did my own little exercise going through all of the correspondence

[5:17:08] Trustee Evans (probable): and out of everyone that wrote in i see a 24 increase over the people that opposed it for

[5:17:19] Trustee Evans (probable): the people that support it which is quite significant there is a heavy support of the

[5:17:23] Trustee Evans (probable): residents of south panda who want this change and who weren't in favor of the previous one so i think

[5:17:34] Trustee Evans (probable): some respect there has to be given too because this this did have a big impact on the community

[5:17:40] Trustee Evans (probable): at large um so again this whole exercise that you've been a part of for the past three years

[5:17:49] Trustee Evans (probable): was finding some place to land that respected the direction that the previous trustees wanted

[5:17:56] Trustee Evans (probable): to go in respecting our residents who did say that that was too much of a cut by by removing

[5:18:09] Trustee Evans (probable): that much of house size availability there there's no longer any ability to add on any

[5:18:17] Trustee Evans (probable): extension should they need it without going through variants there was there was just

[5:18:21] Trustee Evans (probable): so much that that happened that yeah unfortunately you you you went apart

[5:18:25] Voice 21: but that's that's the point

[5:18:27] Voice 21: is that is in the past right and i'm looking at impact today and legacy tomorrow and my job

[5:18:37] Voice 21: coming in as an outsider is to hear all of that but also consider um is this enough of a

[5:18:47] Voice 21: reason to change your land use bylaw just because people were unsatisfied with the process

[5:18:54] Voice 21: we went into this process with the same goal although we picked a different project to

[5:19:01] Voice 21: repair the trust in terms of conducting a public process that was fair accountable open

[5:19:10] Voice 21: and took everyone's views into account i do feel we've done that i would have loved to have chosen

[5:19:17] Voice 21: a different project but we're here now so my goal is not to revisit the past endlessly and that's

[5:19:23] Voice 21: what i'm actually concerned about is that this one sticking point of apparently 500 square feet

[5:19:30] Voice 21: that um it's not enough to move us forward into okay we put that to rest now let's move on to

[5:19:39] Voice 21: other projects i'm actually and correct me if i'm wrong but i'm getting the sense that there would

[5:19:45] Voice 21: be a another half the community is going to be really unhappy and riled up and i'm just it's not

[5:19:53] Voice 21: going to be productive so I'm weighing out does that actually make that much of a difference

[5:19:57] Voice 21: versus um it you know so that's what I've been struggling with and um I don't anyway I'm just

[5:20:08] Voice 21: letting you know I I'm still not really there with all aspects of this bylaw and I've um

[5:20:15] Voice 21: I've reached my point of don't think it's sitting quite well especially since

[5:20:23] Voice 21: the average house size

[5:20:24] Voice 21: is eight to nine hundred

[5:20:25] Voice 21: square feet i was like oh well that's pretty small yes

[5:20:28] Trustee Evans (probable): yeah i'm just going

[5:20:29] Trustee Evans (probable): to say also jumping in um that includes all the other cottages that are not full-time homes that

[5:20:36] Trustee Evans (probable): are on properties that haven't been developed yet so that really does reduce our size and i was going

[5:20:43] Trustee Evans (probable): to say let you raise a good point about rebuilding trust because the trust had been broken we've done

[5:20:50] Trustee Evans (probable): done a lot of work to rebuild that trust and I think to defeat this bylaw now would erode

[5:20:58] Trustee Evans (probable): that trust over again for the majority of the residents yeah

[5:21:03] Voice 21: no one's talking about

[5:21:04] Voice 21: defeating the bylaw we're still in that process it's still under consideration I'm just offering

[5:21:10] Voice 21: a view that I don't think

[5:21:14] Voice 21: the house size is actually

[5:21:20] Voice 33: causing harm to people

[5:21:22] Voice 33: whereas it may cause harm to this community

[5:21:27] Voice 33: by being a reaction point and

[5:21:30] Voice 21: then lead to

[5:21:31] Voice 21: another visit in a land use bylaw.

[5:21:34] Voice 21: It could happen regardless whether it leads to...

[5:21:37] Voice 21: Well, there should be a rule that a land use by-law in one term should not be revisited.

[5:21:43] Voice 21: But we can't

[5:21:45] Trustee Evans (probable): put anything on the future trustees that would better their discretion.

[5:21:50] Trustee Evans (probable): Sorry, Trustee Falk.

[5:21:53] Voice 6: Thank you. Sometimes I feel like it's hard to get in with you.

[5:22:02] Voice 6: I printed this up which is kind of added the percentage of change in the different categories.

[5:22:09] Voice 6: So these are the hub house sizes, I mean the lot sizes, and so this is the 144.

[5:22:20] Voice 6: This is one, yeah, so this is where we started and then we got reduced to the pink line here

[5:22:27] Voice 6: and then then we're proposing to come back up again but the 50 mark is quite a bit higher

[5:22:34] Voice 6: so in the smallest lot it's 38 percent um that we're going back again to like recover what some

[5:22:44] Voice 6: you know some people feel we lost

[5:22:45] Voice 25: the

[5:22:46] Voice 6: reduction we're reversing the reduction by 38 percent

[5:22:50] Voice 6: in the smallest lot sizes for the largest lot sizes we're we're going back 25 percent yeah that's

[5:22:58] Voice 6: yeah that's quite significant and i think um if the process of the previous uh trustees

[5:23:09] Voice 6: would have been uh received in the community as adequate and that they felt like they were

[5:23:15] Voice 6: were involved and they actually considered the input that was given I don't think we would have

[5:23:22] Voice 6: been ending up here I think we would have been ending up here but the opposite oh sorry

[5:23:31] Voice 6: um we

[5:23:35] Voice 6: we would we would not

[5:23:39] Voice 21: the previous trustees heard like is that what you're saying for me

[5:23:43] Voice 6: yeah if they had considered the input on that the unhappiness at the meetings and and actually

[5:23:49] Voice 6: considered that and had a more open process we we would this wouldn't have ended up here

[5:23:57] Voice 6: it wouldn't have ended up here it would have ended up here i

[5:24:01] Voice 21: know but if we're trying to fix

[5:24:03] Voice 21: a mistake in the past in terms of listening and heeding what the community is saying

[5:24:10] Voice 21: then the way to fix that mistake is through process but that's the process

[5:24:14] Voice 21: which we have done

[5:24:16] Voice 21: done right it's by doing a compromise on house size that's not going to fix the process that

[5:24:24] Voice 21: just is in my view sort of another arbitrary compromise that we're trying to make in a more

[5:24:31] Voice 21: public transparent way we're trying to have that dialogue but the problem was the process

[5:24:36] Voice 21: not i'm not seeing that the problem that's been demonstrated is actually house size

[5:24:44] Voice 21: and so fixing it with a bigger or larger house size is just it's it's not getting up the actual

[5:24:51] Voice 21: challenge but

[5:24:53] Voice 6: if we improve the process which

[5:24:56] Voice 21: we have then

[5:24:58] Voice 6: this is the result of that

[5:24:59] Voice 21: right

[5:25:00] Voice 21: and

[5:25:00] Voice 6: this is the direct result of improving the process well

[5:25:03] Voice 21: i think it's it is up to trustees

[5:25:05] Voice 21: to evaluate whether this bylaw proposed bylaw addresses that and i'm just saying i don't agree

[5:25:13] Voice 21: the two of you may agree and that's where we're at right

[5:25:19] Voice 8: yep

[5:25:22] Voice 21: and it actually occurred to me when

[5:25:25] Voice 21: i was reading the minutes from the last meeting and i was like house sizes don't matter to me

[5:25:30] Voice 21: i was like i've been a tiny home advocate since 2010 i think and um part of the reason

[5:25:40] Voice 21: is that smaller house sizes for me indicate you're going to have less footprint on the ground

[5:25:47] Voice 21: but what my intention was in saying that is I set my personal views aside to understand how the

[5:25:56] Voice 21: South Pender community is working through this my house size preferences have to be

[5:26:03] Voice 21: left and I have to listen to what people are saying and what I'm what I'm just airing out

[5:26:10] Voice 21: right now so we can all know is that there just hasn't been a demonstration that the house sizes

[5:26:16] Voice 21: are going to make that much difference in people's lives so i i'm just going to pull it back i'm not

[5:26:24] Voice 21: going to um all the other changes are good it's made a stronger um lub it's made it more clear

[5:26:34] Voice 21: and i support what this local trust committee has done um i just had to voice my my personal

[5:26:41] Voice 21: um perspective after hearing all this information i

[5:26:48] Voice 19: think part of uh like i said we've gone through

[5:26:51] Voice 19: the process we've had the discussion we've listened to all of the input

[5:26:57] Trustee Evans (probable): and this is where

[5:27:02] Trustee Evans (probable): we have learned it um again this is not my lifestyle this is not about your lifestyle

[5:27:09] Trustee Evans (probable): this is about the um the include being an inclusive community that allows for varied

[5:27:17] Trustee Evans (probable): lifestyle it does just because these health sciences are set to this does not mean you have

[5:27:22] Trustee Evans (probable): to build to that yeah but um there are there are places and times where it can cause hardships if

[5:27:32] Trustee Evans (probable): to look bearing in mind that there are um yeah i

[5:27:41] Voice 21: know we've talked about it i've been waiting to

[5:27:44] Voice 21: hear about the hardships and i haven't that's the problem and through this process we are charged

[5:27:49] Voice 21: with keeping an open mind so that

[5:27:51] Voice 21: when you hear new information that you consider it you're not

[5:27:54] Voice 21: just you know blinkered and so i've even though i had my personal views at the beginning i was like

[5:28:00] Voice 21: well let's go through this process and see if there's a demonstration that by amending the

[5:28:05] Voice 21: bylaw in this way it's going to add to uh it's going to support the community in reaching its

[5:28:11] Voice 21: goals for all the things that the ocp says so i just haven't seen it demonstrated that's why

[5:28:16] Voice 21: i'm happy now the

[5:28:17] Voice 6: one thing i think in terms of framing to look for the hardship you know

[5:28:23] Voice 6: that I guess that framing doesn't work so well for me because it's not it's it's not looking for you

[5:28:31] Voice 6: know we're not expecting there to be hardship that's not the point this isn't this is a new

[5:28:35] Voice 6: direction for speaking for myself personally I don't want to see people being told like if you're

[5:28:43] Voice 6: looking for a house here or a property are you thinking of moving here and you look at the bylaws

[5:28:47] Voice 6: and you know you say what can I do there and the first thing you see is you can't do what you want

[5:28:51] Voice 6: want to do because you can't build a house for three generations or whatever then it's like

[5:28:57] Voice 6: that's like a closed book so that's that could be a hardship right but that's abstraction we haven't

[5:29:04] Voice 21: seen that that's

[5:29:05] Voice 6: it how would we see that you will never see that exactly

[5:29:07] Voice 21: so so how can you

[5:29:08] Voice 21: make a decision based on something you don't know

[5:29:10] Voice 6: because i want to encourage that scenario to

[5:29:15] Voice 6: happen and like if i'm putting a roadblock for that scenario to happen then i'm obviously not

[5:29:21] Voice 6: encouraging it. So it's a philosophical direction that I'm, that's what I'm motivated by.

[5:29:29] Voice 6: Not the hardship for somebody to, like I don't, I don't know what that would be that they couldn't

[5:29:38] Voice 6: build a big enough house for whatever other reasons but like I don't, hardship doesn't seem

[5:29:43] Voice 6: to answer it for me. So

[5:29:45] Trustee Evans (probable): we have talked about the multi-generational trends and we've heard from

[5:29:49] Trustee Evans (probable): from somebody here who actually has multigeneration,

[5:29:52] Trustee Evans (probable): but they are on 30 plus acres.

[5:29:54] Trustee Evans (probable): Don't

[5:29:54] Voice 21: know if they can hear you.

[5:29:55] Trustee Evans (probable): So for someone who can't hear you,

[5:30:00] Trustee Evans (probable): afford 30 plus acres they can only afford say two to four acres well then it the house size there

[5:30:08] Trustee Evans (probable): needs to be able to sustain multi-generational living as well it also needs to be able to these

[5:30:15] Trustee Evans (probable): are the hardships that have been brought forward from community it has to be able to sustain in

[5:30:20] Trustee Evans (probable): home care it has to be able to sustain um you know larger families we do have younger families

[5:30:28] Trustee Evans (probable): moving in like right next to the on girl and point there's been a few um new purchases where

[5:30:34] Trustee Evans (probable): younger families are moving in with children so there is there is information that has come forward

[5:30:44] Trustee Evans (probable): that actually has spoken to what you're saying you haven't heard anything about i

[5:30:48] Voice 21: but if we

[5:30:50] Voice 21: haven't heard about it i can't that

[5:30:53] Trustee Evans (probable): we have heard i heard

[5:30:55] Trustee Evans (probable): it from

[5:30:56] Voice 21: community and if they came forward

[5:30:58] Voice 21: in the public hearing and wrote letters that I could have read, I could make my decision based

[5:31:05] Voice 21: on that. What I'm saying

[5:31:07] Voice 21: is based on what we've heard to date, I'm not seeing a demonstration

[5:31:13] Voice 21: that intergenerational family living is prohibited by this proposed bylaw or by the current bylaw

[5:31:22] Voice 21: r114 i'm just not seeing it and i do want to take one more month to review everything right that's

[5:31:29] Voice 21: the that's the information i have in this community i'm not privy to those conversations

[5:31:36] Voice 21: maybe or the what ifs i'm looking at what is in front of us and

[5:31:43] Trustee Evans (probable): i'm just not seeing it we've had

[5:31:45] Voice 21: people come and

[5:31:46] Trustee Evans (probable): stand up and speak at the meetings directly to these points we do have letters in

[5:31:51] Trustee Evans (probable): that speak to these yeah

[5:31:52] Voice 21: our view at all yeah i'm saying this is where i'm sitting at this point is

[5:31:56] Voice 21: i'm not hearing enough that the current house sizes of 114 are prohibiting the kind of lifestyle

[5:32:04] Voice 21: that you say you want to attract people to pender but

[5:32:07] Voice 6: i think we do have some evidence because we

[5:32:10] Voice 6: have one um multi-generational scenario right that's real

[5:32:15] Voice 6: if that's waiting together

[5:32:16] Voice 23: in this

[5:32:18] Voice 6: this category and they are they're saying they've squeezed under the thing but I know but like that

[5:32:25] Voice 6: was just like there wasn't room for a bit of it was smaller because they could they went right to

[5:32:32] Voice 6: the max right and what I'm saying is if they lived here if they didn't have 10 acres but they had

[5:32:38] Voice 21: that's a what if that is one case study that actually proves that the current house size

[5:32:44] Voice 21: means their need exactly except if that family want to do it on 10 but there's no except

[5:32:49] Voice 21: this is what is we can't argue abstractions or what if what do you mean

[5:32:58] Voice 6: hardship no hardship here hardship hardship hardship okay but

[5:33:02] Voice 6: we have it demonstrated in

[5:33:03] Voice 21: front of us i think we can debate this endlessly i am basing my perspective on the submissions that

[5:33:11] Voice 21: we have and i'm just letting my fellow trustees know this is where i'm sitting and i can might

[5:33:17] Voice 21: be convinced the other way but in a month's time maybe but y'all can't lobby me now no

[5:33:24] Voice 21: everything in that public hearing binder will be read again

[5:33:30] Trustee Evans (probable): and it's it's not just what's in there

[5:33:34] Trustee Evans (probable): it's what we've what we've heard at each of the meetings as well every time somebody has stood up

[5:33:38] Trustee Evans (probable): and spoken that's a submission as well there

[5:33:41] Voice 21: is in the correspondence 177 no 277 277 pages i've

[5:33:51] Voice 21: read it and i will read it again i promise you i'm listening and i'm reading but this is where

[5:33:58] Voice 21: i'm sitting and i just wanted you to know okay so

[5:34:00] Voice 6: can we conclude this and i'm sorry that i

[5:34:03] Voice 6: but no thank you for sharing

[5:34:05] Voice 6: that process

[5:34:07] Voice 6: with your thoughts

[5:34:08] Voice 6: we

[5:34:09] Trustee Evans (probable): have to air

[5:34:11] Trustee Evans (probable): various perspectives

[5:34:12] Trustee Evans (probable): it's not a transparent

[5:34:15] Trustee Evans (probable): process if we don't do that

[5:34:16] Trustee Evans (probable): and

[5:34:17] Voice 21: I respect each

[5:34:19] Voice 21: of you and your perspectives

[5:34:20] Voice 21: and I do want to keep hearing

[5:34:22] Voice 21: and we'll debate this maybe in the next month

[5:34:25] Voice 21: does anybody want to read out the motion

[5:34:27] Voice 21: for recommendation number two

[5:34:29] Trustee Evans (probable): I think we did read it

[5:34:31] Voice 21: we just haven't

[5:34:32] Trustee Evans (probable): voted oh it was red okay it was red it was red and seconded they're debating

[5:34:36] Voice 21: emotion oh were you okay

[5:34:37] Trustee Evans (probable): debating emotion

[5:34:39] Trustee Evans (probable): what

[5:34:40] Voice 21: is happening

[5:34:45] Voice 21: i'm losing it no no no sorry all right are we ready to vote yeah all those in

[5:34:51] Voice 21: favor one two three that is great okay thank you trustees wow um i think do we have time for

[5:35:04] Voice 21: another town hall yes planner we

[5:35:07] Voice 16: do have the hall until five o'clock okay so we do have another half

[5:35:11] Voice 16: an hour half an hour so we have the energy um

[5:35:14] Trustee Evans (probable): we've also got the key requests for decisions

[5:35:16] Voice 16: yes so my recommendation is the short-term vacation rental we defer that to the november

[5:35:20] Voice 16: meeting 100 there is the question about if his ltc wants a motion for staff to meet with heredity

[5:35:26] Voice 16: thank you

[5:35:28] Voice 21: for that first so okay do you want to suggest i was just going to suggest that

[5:35:33] Voice 21: let's try to reach out there yeah

[5:35:35] Voice 6: okay so uh ltc requested staff to reach out to eric

[5:35:41] Voice 6: help me to understand his concerns expressed in this letter dated i

[5:35:47] Voice 21: don't have the date i

[5:35:49] Voice 21: I can go on and find it.

[5:35:50] Voice 21: Is it on it?

[5:35:54] Voice 21: You

[5:35:55] Voice 6: can fill it in.

[5:35:56] Voice 6: Yeah, we can fill it in.

[5:35:59] Voice 6: To determine

[5:36:01] Voice 6: if

[5:36:02] Voice 6: any

[5:36:04] Voice 6: concerns

[5:36:08] Voice 6: with related to the

[5:36:10] Voice 6: probably related to...

[5:36:12] Voice 6: Just

[5:36:12] Voice 16: leave it as just to set up

[5:36:15] Voice 16: a meeting with Chief

[5:36:16] Voice 16: Eric Pelkey discuss his letter

[5:36:18] Voice 16: dated, period.

[5:36:20] Voice 16: Unless you want...

[5:36:23] Voice 16: bias and to be done by

[5:36:25] Voice 16: a certain date yeah

[5:36:26] Voice 24: yeah

[5:36:27] Voice 21: yeah absolutely yeah that's good to discuss his

[5:36:31] Voice 21: letter dated um does the book or does emily have the date because i didn't see a date on it and i

[5:36:39] Voice 21: don't know when it was received and i think she's got the hard copy i believe let's

[5:36:45] Voice 16: see i believe

[5:36:48] Voice 16: it was actually originally sent to jazz is it this one here september 5th potentially

[5:36:55] Trustee Evans (probable): well september

[5:36:56] Trustee Evans (probable): 5th is oh yeah no uh yeah no it doesn't have the date on it i don't i don't have to i have the

[5:37:02] Voice 16: email that we see just just oh here september

[5:37:06] Voice 16: 1st oh september 1st correct okay

[5:37:08] Voice 21: yeah um before the

[5:37:11] Voice 21: next ltc meeting yes yeah before the november uh

[5:37:16] Voice 6: well you need time to make

[5:37:18] Voice 16: a decision to know what

[5:37:19] Voice 6: you're going to tell us or

[5:37:20] Voice 16: you can say the end by the end of october yeah that's better yeah

[5:37:24] Voice 19: Okay, before the end of October.

[5:37:27] Voice 19: Okay, request staff to reach out to...

[5:37:32] Voice 19: Request staff

[5:37:32] Voice 6: to reach out to Eric Pelkey,

[5:37:37] Voice 6: to discuss his letter dated September 1st.

[5:37:43] Voice 19: By the end of October.

[5:37:45] Voice 6: To be conducted, or this outreach or something,

[5:37:49] Voice 6: to be conducted before the end of October.

[5:37:53] Voice 6: okay

[5:37:54] Voice 21: before the end of October 2025 yeah okay so Carly did you catch that it's a bit mangled

[5:38:03] Voice 21: sure

[5:38:04] Voice 5: I'll just reread it that South Pender Local Trust Committee requests staff to reach out to

[5:38:08] Voice 5: Hereditary Chief Eric Pelkey to discuss his letter dated September 1st 2025 before the end

[5:38:14] Voice 5: of October 2025 brilliant

[5:38:17] Voice 21: you were so good thank you moved by Trustee Falk do we have a seconder

[5:38:23] Voice 21: seconded by trustee evans all those in favor and that is carried thank you do we want to

[5:38:31] Voice 21: do either of the pieces of business at i

[5:38:35] Trustee Evans (probable): think we should um i think we need to do i think we

[5:38:40] Trustee Evans (probable): need to do the second one meeting

[5:38:43] Voice 21: procedure bylaw or the public notice i think that let's go to 18.2

[5:38:48] Voice 21: first yeah um because i think that is a bit of discussion so i apologize to staff we're all over

[5:38:55] Voice 21: the map with the agenda today uh going to 18.2 the ltc public notice rfd um it's public notification

[5:39:07] Voice 21: bylaw number 131 uh change in legislation has or the community charter rather um allows local

[5:39:18] Voice 21: governments to circulate notice of official business in alternative means rather than

[5:39:30] Voice 21: just printed newspaper, as long as those means of public notice are reliable, suitable, and

[5:39:38] Voice 21: accessible and so what has been suggested is that online or electronic where is that

[5:39:48] Trustee Evans (probable): it's on page one one five okay

[5:39:50] Voice 21: oh yeah five right so the means of publication of notice

[5:39:58] Voice 21: um are proposed to be electronically by posting the notice on the island's trust website

[5:40:03] Voice 21: and electronically by posting the notice on island's trust social media platform

[5:40:07] Voice 21: one so trustees what does this serve the interest of the local trust committee or is there something

[5:40:16] Voice 21: else that you'd like to propose could be online or print newspaper oh sorry i can't

[5:40:24] Trustee Evans (probable): see go ahead

[5:40:24] Trustee Evans (probable): um i don't think this is going to be sufficient for southpender given our electronic um issues

[5:40:31] Trustee Evans (probable): that we have i would also add a third one in here stating that we have to um uh print and post at

[5:40:42] Trustee Evans (probable): the firewall like we currently do because that that at least people can get to and see if there

[5:40:49] Trustee Evans (probable): is something especially the website if something goes on with the website or with with our ability

[5:40:56] Trustee Evans (probable): to get online it could be that we just are unable to receive notification and I don't believe that

[5:41:03] Trustee Evans (probable): this is a reliable, accessible means.

[5:41:09] Voice 21: So two best options. Can we have three options?

[5:41:16] Voice 21: You can have as many options as you want. I did ask that. Wonderful. So you would amend

[5:41:22] Voice 21: the proposed RFD okay so we're going to page 115 so you'd add a third method mm-hmm

[5:41:33] Voice 21: I need to make a resolution okay

[5:41:37] Trustee Evans (probable): I move that self-penned local trust committee

[5:41:42] Trustee Evans (probable): amend the south what's the call public notification bylaw number 131 thank you

[5:41:52] Trustee Evans (probable): to add a third um public notice requirement method to read um physically physically

[5:42:08] Voice 16: post by posting

[5:42:09] Trustee Evans (probable): the notice of

[5:42:10] Voice 16: south pender community boards

[5:42:13] Trustee Evans (probable): we only have the firewall okay community board

[5:42:16] Voice 23: i

[5:42:17] Trustee Evans (probable): would say the fire hall fire call okay so if

[5:42:19] Trustee Evans (probable): you don't have a community call we've only got the fire i said also

[5:42:21] Voice 16: board community board if

[5:42:23] Voice 16: or notice on the

[5:42:25] Voice 16: south pender fire hall board fire printed

[5:42:28] Voice 21: notice yeah printed notice on the

[5:42:31] Voice 21: south pender notice

[5:42:32] Voice 16: board maybe notice board by posting the notice on the south pender fire hall

[5:42:40] Voice 16: notice board sure

[5:42:42] Voice 32: you

[5:42:44] Voice 19: concur yep okay

[5:42:46] Voice 19: and

[5:42:47] Trustee Evans (probable): i think that still achieves the purpose of this which is

[5:42:51] Trustee Evans (probable): to um ease up on the cost and the complication of everything and then we always just go down and

[5:43:00] Voice 17: post it down there anyway so i'll second that so

[5:43:04] Voice 21: yeah carly um you've got that okay for the draft

[5:43:08] Voice 21: the change to the draft bylaw yeah

[5:43:10] Voice 5: do you want me to read it again or yes

[5:43:12] Voice 21: please okay that the

[5:43:13] Voice 5: south pender local trust committee amend the public notification bylaw number 131 to add a

[5:43:19] Voice 5: third public notice requirement method to read by posting the printed notice on South Pender Fire

[5:43:24] Voice 5: Hall Notice Board. Yes. That's

[5:43:27] Voice 21: good. All right. Moved, seconded. All those in favor? And that is

[5:43:31] Voice 21: carried. So now we can read these out. Do we have to say as amended? Yeah. File number 131 as

[5:43:39] Voice 21: amended. Okay. We'll go ahead. So

[5:43:43] Voice 21: yeah. 113.

[5:43:46] Trustee Evans (probable): We're going to read out these motions. I'll do the first

[5:43:48] Trustee Evans (probable): one. I move that South Pender Island Local Trust Committee give by-law number 131, cited as South

[5:43:54] Trustee Evans (probable): Pender Island Local Trust Committee Publication Notification by-law number 131, 2025, first

[5:44:00] Trustee Evans (probable): reading as amended.

[5:44:03] Voice 21: Moved. Seconded. Seconded by Trustee Balk. All those in favor? And let us carry

[5:44:11] Voice 21: your turn. Let

[5:44:13] Voice 6: the South Pender Island Local Trust Committee give by-law number 131,

[5:44:18] Voice 6: cited as South Pender Island Local Trust Committee

[5:44:21] Voice 6: public notification bylaw number 131

[5:44:24] Voice 6: 2025 second reading.

[5:44:28] Voice 6: As amended.

[5:44:31] Voice 21: Thank you. Seconder? Seconded by Trustee Evans.

[5:44:34] Voice 21: All those in favor? And that is carried.

[5:44:38] Trustee Evans (probable): I move that South Pender Island Local Trust Committee

[5:44:40] Trustee Evans (probable): give bylaw number 131 cited as South Pender Island

[5:44:44] Trustee Evans (probable): Local Trust Committee public notification bylaw number

[5:44:47] Trustee Evans (probable): once we've won 2025 the third reading is amended. Seconder? I'll second that.

[5:44:51] Voice 21: Put up by Trustee Falk. All those in favor? And that is carried.

[5:44:57] Voice 21: That the

[5:44:59] Voice 6: South Pender Island Local Trust Committee give bylaw number 131 cited as the South Pender

[5:45:05] Voice 6: Island Local Trust Committee public notification bylaw number 131 2025 to the Island's Trust

[5:45:11] Voice 6: Executive Committee for consideration of approval.

[5:45:15] Voice 21: Thank you.

[5:45:16] Voice 21: As amended?

[5:45:17] Voice 6: I

[5:45:17] Voice 21: think the as amended should go after 2025, but...

[5:45:20] Voice 6: Yeah, yeah, put the as amended after 2025.

[5:45:23] Voice 21: 2025 as amended to the Alistair's frequency.

[5:45:27] Voice 16: You only need to add as amended the ones.

[5:45:29] Voice 16: Oh, the first reading.

[5:45:30] Voice 16: Sorry, I didn't catch that.

[5:45:32] Voice 16: Oh, okay.

[5:45:32] Voice 21: Yeah,

[5:45:32] Voice 16: so you don't need to do it for the second reading or third reading.

[5:45:35] Voice 21: Oh, thank you.

[5:45:36] Voice 16: Oh, well.

[5:45:36] Voice 16: Yeah, all right.

[5:45:37] Voice 16: Okay.

[5:45:38] Voice 16: Friendly edit.

[5:45:39] Voice 21: Seconder?

[5:45:41] Voice 21: Seconded by Trustee Evans.

[5:45:42] Voice 21: All those in favor?

[5:45:43] Voice 21: And that is carried.

[5:45:45] Voice 21: Great.

[5:45:46] Voice 21: that is at least one piece of business should we leave the mini procedures repeal by law until next

[5:45:51] Voice 21: time um we do have a different opinion on it yeah it's gonna yeah

[5:45:56] Voice 6: yeah let's get not be so tired

[5:45:59] Voice 6: let's

[5:45:59] Voice 21: not be so tired okay um so we can open at least for a town hall i mean there's only

[5:46:06] Voice 21: five members of the community here that's

[5:46:09] Voice 6: why we waited but

[5:46:10] Voice 21: they might be waiting to speak to us

[5:46:13] Voice 21: about something else perhaps just not on for the first time proposed bylaw 129 i'm really impressed

[5:46:20] Voice 24: that you're here we

[5:46:22] Voice 21: have to okay so let's have the town hall is that yes good all right we'll

[5:46:27] Voice 21: open town hall um if you wish to address the trust committee please keep your comments respectful and

[5:46:32] Voice 21: not about proposed bylaw 129. yes gordy mr duncan

[5:46:37] Voice 11: well um i think you said your

[5:46:40] Voice 11: last statement kind

[5:46:41] Voice 11: about me there but anyway one of the reasons i think that the 500 sort of people can't talk

[5:46:49] Voice 15: about 501

[5:46:50] Voice 15: 29 anymore we can't hear it

[5:46:52] Voice 21: but anything about that okay

[5:46:57] Voice 11: well then the my second thought

[5:47:01] Voice 11: it was the important amount of time you spent for cheap fell key um we would have been able to get

[5:47:09] Voice 11: get the fact is I think there's something like 13 First Nations were consulted by staff

[5:47:15] Voice 11: and they all came

[5:47:17] Voice 21: back is it on 129 related to the bylaw I think well it's a comment on process

[5:47:22] Voice 21: okay

[5:47:23] Trustee Evans (probable): process yeah

[5:47:25] Voice 21: process is okay so

[5:47:27] Voice 11: mine obviously all responded and confirmed

[5:47:31] Voice 11: and so I'm just wondering how one individual can consume so much of our

[5:47:41] Voice 11: trustees time here and what and who does he represent and also Chief Belkate

[5:47:49] Voice 11: attended two of our meetings at least that I'm aware of so I think he must

[5:47:55] Voice 11: have had time to understand what we were trying to accomplish in 29, so that's my comment.

[5:48:04] Voice 11: Thank you.

[5:48:04] Voice 11: Thank you, sir.

[5:48:06] Voice 21: Yes?

[5:48:07] Voice 21: I'm going to try an observation.

[5:48:09] Voice 21: Okay.

[5:48:11] Voice 21: So

[5:48:12] Voice 20: Trustee Yellen, I'd like to observe that your comments with regard to demonstration

[5:48:25] Voice 20: Demonstration of hardship, am I still okay?

[5:48:31] Voice 21: It is, you would be giving us information, you're trying to tell me information that

[5:48:36] Voice 21: I need to consider.

[5:48:38] Voice 21: So,

[5:48:38] Voice 20: okay, so let me back up that train of thought a little bit.

[5:48:41] Voice 20: So, if there were demonstrations of hardship, we can't tell you, yet you're willing to consider

[5:49:00] Voice 20: to consider saying from one person who has already been involved in meeting social trustees

[5:49:10] Voice 20: by allowing that person to secondarily submit

[5:49:14] Voice 21: and clear their name.

[5:49:15] Voice 21: Yeah, thank you.

[5:49:17] Voice 29: It's revisiting.

[5:49:18] Voice 21: It's

[5:49:18] Voice 29: revisiting.

[5:49:22] Voice 21: So, I guess what I'll say is I will, I promise and I commit to reading everything that is

[5:49:29] Voice 21: in the public hearing binder and i remain i have an open mind about what is before us and i take

[5:49:37] Voice 21: that this job seriously i don't put anything on the opinions of one person any other comments

[5:49:54] Voice 21: okay thank you for your time here today members of south pender community trustees and staff

[5:50:00] Voice 21: and i appreciate staff in the background we've been very patient and i apologize again for the

[5:50:06] Voice 21: the depths of my heart you can't imagine that i felt so horrible at 6 30 when i was like

[5:50:12] Voice 21: oh my

[5:50:13] Voice 21: god what happened

[5:50:14] Trustee Evans (probable): are you i just oh my goodness me i have

[5:50:19] Voice 21: to get up at 4 30 to get

[5:50:21] Voice 21: back next

[5:50:21] Voice 21: time i'm sleeping at the schwartz we've heard okay adjourn um all those in favor

[5:50:26] Voice 21: of adjournments uh that is carried we are adjourned thank you everyone

[5:50:35] Voice 21: Do you have an iPhone?

[5:50:37] Voice 16: Yeah.

[5:50:37] Voice 16: You know what it is, or I've had issues with it.

[5:50:39] Voice 16: If your ringer is down low.