North Pender Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, October 3, 2025

[0:00:12] Okay.

[0:00:24] Voice 14: Morning, everybody.

[0:00:33] Voice 14: Thank you for joining us today for this regular meeting of the North Tender Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:39] Voice 14: I want to begin the meeting by acknowledging the proportion of people that gathered today

[0:00:43] Voice 14: in locations across the territory.

[0:00:47] Voice 14: I'm David Maude, elected on the main island and chair of the North Tender Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:51] Voice 14: I'm joined today by your two local North Tender Island trustees,

[0:00:55] Voice 14: Karen Campbell and Deb Morrison.

[0:00:56] Voice 14: and uh together we make up the north central local trust committee this meeting is being live

[0:01:02] Voice 14: screened and recorded for those who are unable to attend a person today the recording will be

[0:01:06] Voice 14: posted to the honest trust website for future viewing just one note where today we're seeing

[0:01:11] Voice 14: have very very bad bandwidth so if anybody has any electronic devices and all that if you could

[0:01:17] Voice 14: use them that would be great because sometimes it interferes with the camera recording so thank you

[0:01:24] Voice 14: very much. So we have some staff members joining us today. We have our Island Planner Brad Smith.

[0:01:30] Voice 14: We have Senior Policy Advisor Jason Yeomans who's here to address us about the policy statement.

[0:01:37] Voice 14: We have Warren Dingman who's here as our Violent Enforcement Manager. We also have Lisa Millard

[0:01:44] Voice 14: who is our Recording Secretary and our Zoom Master and we very much appreciate her work.

[0:01:50] Voice 14: um and that's where we're at so just to let you know this meeting is an official forum for your

[0:01:55] Voice 14: local trust meeting to make decisions about land use planning matters to discuss relevant business

[0:02:00] Voice 14: i want to add this to the place of employment uh with our staff on the way to a safe and

[0:02:04] Voice 14: respectful workplace so before we have an agenda is anybody having an issue with certain um yeah

[0:02:12] Voice 14: yeah did want to maybe

[0:02:14] Voice 7: just touch briefly for the end on uh short

[0:02:19] Voice 8: -term vacation rental

[0:02:21] Voice 8: permits that we've got that are out and what we could

[0:02:28] Voice 14: like to do now so yeah we're going to do

[0:02:32] Voice 14: this 17.4 so st and v

[0:02:40] Voice 20: um given that we have a bunch of sort of miscellaneous things in the

[0:02:44] Voice 20: middle because the APC is here so

[0:02:49] Voice 21: for being able to just so

[0:02:52] Voice 14: if we move that to um say 7.2

[0:02:56] Voice 14: so we do it after town hall is that right the

[0:02:58] Voice 9: chair yeah i would suggest maybe uh we can put

[0:03:01] Voice 9: it up at 13.1 just so that we'll speak to their report before i speak to the housing report just

[0:03:08] Voice 9: so that okay

[0:03:09] Voice 14: yeah because it's six

[0:03:10] Voice 9: you want to have to you'll just apply

[0:03:12] Voice 14: it to the other right

[0:03:12] Voice 14: So what was the number?

[0:03:15] Voice 14: After 13.1.

[0:03:16] Voice 14: Okay, 13.2.

[0:03:18] Voice 14: All right.

[0:03:19] Voice 14: So what did I suggest?

[0:03:22] Voice 3: Perfect.

[0:03:25] Voice 14: All right.

[0:03:27] Anything else?

[0:03:28] So by joint consent, we can adopt the agenda as amended.

[0:03:33] Excellent.

[0:03:34] Thank you very much.

[0:03:36] Voice 14: So we will move into trusting reports.

[0:03:41] Voice 14: Who's the...

[0:03:43] Voice 14: Sure.

[0:03:44] Voice 14: Yeah, I've been

[0:03:47] Voice 7: oddly busy since sort of the end of summer.

[0:03:51] Voice 7: I don't know if people have finally realized that my cell phone number is attached to

[0:03:58] Voice 7: the Island's Trust website or what has happened, but I think I've had at least a couple of

[0:04:07] people to

[0:04:08] Voice 7: sit and chat with just about every week since, in the month of September for

[0:04:14] Voice 7: sure it's been interesting one of the big things is there's been people

[0:04:21] Voice 2: wanting

[0:04:22] Voice 7: to know about

[0:04:23] Voice 7: short-term vacation rentals and basically moving to pender and finding a way to make a piece of

[0:04:33] Voice 7: property viable here by short-term vacation rental and the history of that i think is sort of

[0:04:41] Voice 7: of e-jerk to in our last couple of meetings we've been talking about how we're trying to remove

[0:04:47] Voice 7: ourselves slowly out of that sort of oversight possibly with the way that the province has

[0:04:55] Voice 7: stepped in and started a registry of their own whether it's positive or negative for us to

[0:05:02] Voice 7: retain involved in that. So that has been more of a negative number of phone calls that have come.

[0:05:13] Voice 7: One of the big positives that came out of the last month was just recently at UBCM,

[0:05:19] Voice 7: we were involved in the creation of a group that put together basically the concept of

[0:05:30] Voice 7: approving tiny houses on wheels and really that would become it's very easy to remove from tiny

[0:05:36] Voice 7: houses on wheels to tiny houses not on wheels it's more about getting the ability to have some

[0:05:44] Voice 7: sort of standard of quality of build so that we know that people are not living in a sort of a

[0:05:51] Voice 7: poor type of housing then they would have a quality of sort of safe housing and affordable

[0:06:03] Voice 7: and so it is something that has been being talked about for years I was saying to Rob just before

[0:06:09] Voice 7: the meeting it's crazy when you can see something right in front of you and it seems so obvious that

[0:06:16] Voice 7: this is a great solution like this works and this is how it can be navigated and people just

[0:06:23] Voice 7: sit there and kind of stare at you and go like well i can't see how that would work and then

[0:06:28] Voice 7: the right person has the opportunity to address it in sort of sort of a different platform and it was

[0:06:35] Voice 7: it was crazy like the cdc got involved and came down and vice chair toby elliott was there

[0:06:42] Voice 7: on the panel presenting it and they did an interview and they followed up with all the

[0:06:49] Voice 7: people around the panel and sort of gained a whole pile of momentum that people have sat and

[0:06:59] Voice 7: talked about trying to get this concept approved and it's far from being approved but there was

[0:07:08] Voice 7: identified an avenue for it to start moving forward so that was really was the big positive

[0:07:15] Voice 7: with that we just had that last week i think so and and book book ends the month on a positive

[0:07:25] Voice 7: note so that's all i got um

[0:07:30] Voice 20: yeah it's been interesting i've got a number of phone calls

[0:07:32] Voice 20: too i've been traveling for almost three weeks actually for work and uh it's been amusing to

[0:07:38] Voice 20: take press calls in random locations around north america and the world um so but it really good i

[0:07:44] Voice 20: a number of really thanks to the relatives who are reaching out now before properties are selling

[0:07:50] Voice 20: and asking their clients to come into conversation with us about STBRs or other things. So I feel

[0:07:56] Voice 20: like that's a huge improvement where we've been before. Yeah. And just a few other things that

[0:08:05] Voice 20: will come up later today. We're excited to see the dark sky principles in the policy statement

[0:08:09] Voice 20: in because that was generated here on this

[0:08:11] Voice 21: island into

[0:08:13] Voice 20: the policy space so that's great and yeah

[0:08:19] Voice 14: thank you well indeed UBCM was last week I did not attend unfortunately because budgetary

[0:08:27] Voice 14: constraints we restricted how many people attended UBCM however the day before UBCM attended

[0:08:34] Voice 14: a very effective communities meeting in Victoria that was convened by the Mayor of Owen Island.

[0:08:43] Voice 14: It was interesting about the common concerns up and down the coast, because this was all

[0:08:49] Voice 14: the way from high to high down, and we spent a good two and a half hours going through

[0:08:56] Voice 14: things and addressing common concerns, which then ended up in a letter going to the Minister

[0:09:03] Voice 14: and the head of BC Ferries, a lot of the concerns are basically about the extinguishing of ferry advisory committees,

[0:09:11] Voice 14: where now there's no direct contact with BC Ferries with the communities,

[0:09:17] Voice 14: because almost all of the lived bodies are represented, never mind the communities,

[0:09:23] Voice 14: and they haven't really replaced it with anything.

[0:09:26] Voice 14: And there's a lot of stuff going on where they're not really communicating.

[0:09:30] Voice 14: So, that was an interesting thing, and the week prior was Trust Council, that was on

[0:09:37] Gabriel Island.

[0:09:40] Lots going on there.

[0:09:42] I think

[0:09:43] Voice 14: the important thing, as far as Trust Council is concerned, is this Trust Policy

[0:09:48] Voice 14: Statement Project.

[0:09:50] Voice 14: We got it through first reading this summer.

[0:09:53] We've had some pretty good feedback, but the thing that I keep repeating, it's interesting

[0:10:00] to me is there

[0:10:02] Voice 14: we haven't had a lot of negative feedback is as we seem to plan

[0:10:07] Voice 14: it in a place that people are reasonably comfortable with and of course the good

[0:10:12] Voice 14: people in North Kendra might prove me wrong in a couple of minutes but we had

[0:10:16] Voice 14: a similar presentation on Bain on Monday and there was not really a lot of

[0:10:22] Voice 14: feedback as people seem to be comfortable with what we're planning so I'm happy with that

[0:10:26] Voice 14: that. We're looking forward to a fairly busy fall. Lots of meetings going on, lots of,

[0:10:36] Voice 14: I wouldn't say semi-exciting stuff. We have a meeting next week with the Coalmoss First

[0:10:41] Voice 14: Nation, which is just basically, I get to know each other. The particular trustees of

[0:10:50] Devlin Island have really, really been working

[0:10:53] Voice 14: closely with the Coalmoss First Nation. And

[0:10:56] Voice 14: And we're building these really, really strong, strong relationships.

[0:11:03] Voice 14: And it's very, very positive.

[0:11:05] Voice 14: So I think I'll leave it at that.

[0:11:06] Voice 14: Thank you very much.

[0:11:09] Voice 14: Our friend sends his regrets.

[0:11:12] Voice 14: He's going to have a meeting conflict.

[0:11:15] Voice 14: We had a little boopsy where we weren't sending him invites to our meetings.

[0:11:20] Voice 14: Hopefully we've got it in hand.

[0:11:22] Voice 14: But I was talking to him earlier this week, and he said,

[0:11:25] Voice 14: And unfortunately, he booked another meeting for today.

[0:11:28] Voice 14: So I thought I got out of that and promised that he'll be at our next meeting

[0:11:33] Voice 14: because he does spend a lot of time on Pender.

[0:11:35] Voice 14: He does like you guys, so hopefully we'll drag him in.

[0:11:39] So now we're in town hall, and I think everybody sort of knows the deal.

[0:11:45] Put your hands up.

[0:11:47] Voice 14: We try and keep it two or three minutes if possible,

[0:11:49] Voice 14: but we're not really, really watching the watch.

[0:11:52] Voice 14: truth is just don't repeat yourself go ahead so anybody wants to speak put your hand up and just

[0:11:58] say your name the

[0:11:59] Voice 14: recording section here we go right

[0:12:02] Voice 5: joyce there i'm with the abc and i'm not

[0:12:06] Voice 5: quite sure when we should speak to that so um should we speak to it now or should we wait until

[0:12:14] Voice 5: let's wait till 15 because we do have some follow-up on the tiny homes

[0:12:19] Voice 5: Yeah,

[0:12:20] Voice 14: I think it's most appropriate to do it that way, cost-free, the public sector.

[0:12:24] Voice 14: Ms. Fenton?

[0:12:25] Voice 4: Yeah, we're all for Fenton.

[0:12:26] Voice 4: And Mamie and I have presented a report, and we were wondering whether we should speak

[0:12:31] Voice 4: to Town Hall or when it's presented on your agenda.

[0:12:35] Voice 4: I'm not sure.

[0:12:36] Voice 14: I think the same thing.

[0:12:36] Voice 14: If we get to turn on the agenda, that'll be the appropriate time to

[0:12:42] Voice 6: do it.

[0:12:43] Voice 6: I'm Chris Patman, property owner here.

[0:12:45] Voice 6: Same thing, I have some commentary questions around the Raptor DPA proposed amendments.

[0:12:50] Voice 6: So I presume I would wait until that portion of the agenda.

[0:12:56] Voice 6: That would be best, Brad.

[0:12:58] Voice 6: Sure.

[0:12:59] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:13:02] Voice 6: All right.

[0:13:03] Voice 6: Well, thank you very much.

[0:13:04] Voice 6: I say again, my name is Chris Patton, along with my wife, Nadine.

[0:13:07] Voice 6: We are the property owners at 4200 Pender on the north end of the island here.

[0:13:12] Voice 6: And our property stands to be affected by the proposed changes to the DPA.

[0:13:16] Voice 6: We did post a letter through Brad to the trust and trust that you've had a chance to review that.

[0:13:24] Voice 6: My first comment would be it's our second letter to the trust on this issue, and we haven't yet heard any responses from that.

[0:13:30] Voice 6: So, you know, I have most questions in those letters, and I think it's reasonable before we move forward with any amendments to the bylaws that questions that are posed to the trustees in that correspondence are appropriately addressed.

[0:13:44] Voice 6: addressed. I can speak for myself and say we haven't heard back from anyone on our questions.

[0:13:50] Voice 6: I will state that I am not here to be super negative and aggressive and say listen we

[0:13:56] Voice 6: just need to do away with this. I have

[0:13:59] Voice 6: had conversations with Brad around the potential

[0:14:01] Voice 6: impacts. For reference, our property is one that is undeveloped at this point. The new

[0:14:06] Voice 6: proposed position of a particular tree that does not have an eagle's nest in it, has not

[0:14:12] Voice 6: not for at least five years and the proposed buffers will encompass all of our property it's

[0:14:18] Voice 6: an acre and a half large uh it will encompass all of our property as well as most of our neighbors

[0:14:23] Voice 6: quite frankly and that obviously leaves us extremely concerned about our ability to

[0:14:27] Voice 6: eventually develop a small sustainable home which was our plan here you know as we moved to the

[0:14:32] Voice 6: island you know later in our years um you know and as it currently sits i don't feel that the

[0:14:37] Voice 6: bylaws are appropriate to protect our own property rights and would like to understand from the

[0:14:44] Voice 6: trustees one the purpose of the bylaw amendments you know this i to my knowledge there's not been

[0:14:53] Voice 6: a study to suggest that the raptor populations on the island are threatened um you know i i like to

[0:15:00] Voice 6: look at these things in terms of we're solving pro you know finding issues for problems that

[0:15:04] Voice 6: actually exist and we all know the island has a lot of problems that we need to address whether

[0:15:08] Voice 6: that be from you know environmental protection to housing issues and i will applaud the trustees

[0:15:14] Voice 6: around the housing issues i think that's a huge piece i'm really anxious to hear some of that

[0:15:18] Voice 6: report and obviously what happened at ubcm um and when i look at this and say i've never seen

[0:15:25] Voice 6: a study to suggest that the raptor population is in danger that we need to do these things and

[0:15:30] Voice 6: and infringe on our property rights potentially

[0:15:33] Voice 6: through these bylaw amendments.

[0:15:34] Voice 6: So obviously, that's my sort of intro to why I'm here.

[0:15:38] Voice 6: I would welcome conversations,

[0:15:40] Voice 6: maybe after the meeting with the trustees,

[0:15:41] Voice 6: with Brad about potential alternatives

[0:15:43] Voice 6: to the wording of the bylaw as presented.

[0:15:47] Voice 6: My own view, I would like to see it not move forward at all,

[0:15:50] Voice 6: but I have a suspicion that that's probably not the case.

[0:15:53] Voice 6: And I'm looking for a compromise

[0:15:54] Voice 6: between property owners like myself

[0:15:56] Voice 6: myself and and others that would would feel differently the issue thank

[0:16:03] Voice 14: you very much

[0:16:03] Voice 14: anybody else okay thank you very much so we're going to move on uh we have a senior policy

[0:16:13] Voice 14: advisor he's the oldest online um who's

[0:16:17] Voice 7: going to do it please just sit up we um it's not not

[0:16:22] Voice 7: really a time to respond for us right now but if like do stick around after and let's chat or

[0:16:29] Voice 7: where my cell phone number is.

[0:16:32] Voice 6: And I appreciate that I didn't consider calling, but, you know,

[0:16:35] Voice 6: I took the day off and I don't reside only on it and figured I wanted to be

[0:16:39] Voice 6: here in person. It is an important issue to me. I wanted to present that.

[0:16:42] Voice 6: So I just wanted to address too, like you kind of,

[0:16:44] Voice 6: you said your thing and nobody said anything back, but yeah.

[0:16:47] Voice 6: I do

[0:16:47] Voice 6: appreciate that. And, and,

[0:16:48] Voice 6: and I do think though that there should be a formal process by which the

[0:16:51] Voice 6: trustees respond to official correspondence to whether this issue or others

[0:16:56] Voice 6: right in an open forum. So that, you know,

[0:16:58] Voice 6: not only those that have communicated those, but the rest of the community can see what the

[0:17:03] Voice 6: responses to those questions were.

[0:17:06] Voice 20: Yeah, usually when correspondence is included with a particular

[0:17:10] Voice 20: issue, like a bylaw, so like it's included in the packet, I ran all the correspondence for any

[0:17:15] Voice 20: letters, the other one too. And so usually we do address that when we're discussing the bylaw. We

[0:17:21] Voice 20: actually respond directly to whatever the correspondence has been when we're talking

[0:17:25] Voice 20: in the book by law so the first one that you had said I missed that one when it came through

[0:17:31] Voice 20: it's partly the way to go through because it didn't come directly to me via somebody

[0:17:36] Voice 20: so we'll work on that try to clarify

[0:17:42] Voice 21: there

[0:17:43] Voice 9: is an agenda

[0:17:50] Voice 14: all right so Jason Jones is here he's going to do a brief intro to the policy statement

[0:18:01] Voice 14: project, and then we'll be soliciting your feedback to that.

[0:18:04] Voice 14: So Jason, I'll hand it over to you.

[0:18:07] Voice 2: Okay. Thank you, Chair Maud. And hello, North Pender Local Trust Committee.

[0:18:12] Voice 2: How's my audio given the low bandwidth? Can you hear me all right?

[0:18:15] Voice 14: I think we're good. Yeah. Thank you.

[0:18:17] Voice 2: Okay, great.

[0:18:19] Voice 2: So the purpose of this item on your agenda today is really an opportunity for

[0:18:23] Voice 2: you as local trustees to solicit feedback directly from your constituents.

[0:18:27] Voice 2: You'll see that later in your agenda package,

[0:18:29] Voice 2: the policy statement is in there as a referral from Trust Council to you and to which Trust

[0:18:35] Voice 2: Council is expecting some sort of response from the North Pender Local Trust Committee.

[0:18:39] Voice 2: I will say you don't have to necessarily respond to it today if you want sort of further

[0:18:45] Voice 2: opportunities to gather the views of North Pender community members before you submit a formal

[0:18:50] Voice 2: response. But the expectation is that a response is received by Trust Council by January, ideally.

[0:18:56] Voice 2: I'm not sure of the North Pender LTC meeting schedule and how many more meetings you have

[0:19:00] Voice 2: before then, but the sooner the better, as with most things.

[0:19:04] Voice 2: Just for the benefit of those who are in the audience today, I will give a brief overview

[0:19:09] Voice 2: of the policy statement, but would encourage you to seek out the document independently.

[0:19:14] Voice 2: Give it a read on the Islands Trust website.

[0:19:17] Voice 2: If you just Google Islands 2050, you'll be taken to our project webpage where you can

[0:19:22] Voice 2: can find a link to the draft policy statement as well as a link to the survey that is currently

[0:19:28] Voice 2: open soliciting views across the trust area and beyond about the draft policy statement

[0:19:33] Voice 2: and whether or not it appropriately captures sort of the region-wide vision for the trust area.

[0:19:41] Voice 2: The Islands Trust Policy Statement is something that's required by provincial legislation

[0:19:45] Voice 2: under Section 15 of the Islands Trust Act, which says that the Trust Council must, by bylaw,

[0:19:50] Voice 2: adopt a trust policy statement that applies to the trust area and that the

[0:19:55] Voice 2: trust policy statement must be a general statement of the policies of Trust

[0:19:58] Voice 2: Council to carry out the object of the trust and may establish different

[0:20:02] Voice 2: policies for different parts of the trust area. It serves as something of a

[0:20:06] Voice 2: constitution for the organization and it does a number of things within the

[0:20:10] Voice 2: Islands Trust. It's a high-level land use and marine area planning document that

[0:20:15] Voice 2: establishes the themes or directions that Islands Trust Council deems to be

[0:20:20] Voice 2: be important across the whole of the trust area. And so Trust Council uses the policy statement

[0:20:24] Voice 2: to determine whether local official community plan and land use bylaws, such as those that

[0:20:28] Voice 2: are adopted on North Pender Island, are consistent with Trust Council's greater vision for the

[0:20:33] Voice 2: island's trust area. You have to forgive me, I've got a bit of a cold here, so a bit of a gravelly

[0:20:38] Voice 2: throat. The policy statement should be the foundation of Trust Council's strategic plan.

[0:20:43] Voice 2: The strategic plan for a given political term should seek to advance the goals that are set

[0:20:47] Voice 2: out in the policy statement and the policy statement forms the basis of the intergovernmental

[0:20:53] Voice 2: relationships that the islands trust enters into with other levels of government and indigenous

[0:20:58] Voice 2: governing bodies so when we enter into formal agreements with provincial agencies or with

[0:21:02] Voice 2: first nations with interests in the islands trust area those agreements should be for the purpose of

[0:21:08] Voice 2: advancing the goals that are set out in the islands trust policy statement since 2019 a

[0:21:13] Voice 2: process has been underway to update the policy statement to reflect the challenges of today and

[0:21:18] Voice 2: and the opportunities of tomorrow. The current Islands Trust Policy Statement was adopted 30

[0:21:22] Voice 2: years ago, and Trust Council felt it was important that it be updated to reflect contemporary issues,

[0:21:27] Voice 2: in particular those being reconciliation with Indigenous peoples, climate change, and the

[0:21:32] Voice 2: absence or lack of housing diversity on the islands and the challenges that it creates for

[0:21:36] Voice 2: island communities. The draft new policy statement is organized around five goals.

[0:21:42] Voice 2: I won't specify those here, but you can see what those are in the document when you take a look for

[0:21:46] Voice 2: yourself. It contains three elements. Those are guiding principles, which are high-level

[0:21:51] Voice 2: principles that Trust Council believes should inform its own decisions and the decisions of

[0:21:55] Voice 2: its committees and of local trust committees within the Islands Trust area. It contains

[0:22:00] Voice 2: directive policies, and these are policies that address matters to which local trust committees

[0:22:05] Voice 2: must attend in their local bylaws. And there are also advisory policies, which address matters to

[0:22:10] Voice 2: which local trust committees should attend in their bylaws, but are not required by Trust Council.

[0:22:17] Voice 2: The draft policy statement was given first reading by Islands Trust Council on July the 29th, and we are now in a period of community and agency engagement that lasts until early February.

[0:22:28] Voice 2: So, as I mentioned, there is a survey which is available through our project webpage, Islands 2050, that you can fill out, provide your perspective to Trust Council on what you think about the new draft document.

[0:22:40] Voice 2: We're sort of traveling island to island, both in person and digitally, as I am today,

[0:22:45] Voice 2: so that local trust committees have a chance to hear directly from their constituents about the policy statement.

[0:22:50] Voice 2: And, of course, your local trustees are always available.

[0:22:53] Voice 2: Well, I don't know if always available, but are available for you to meet with them directly

[0:22:58] Voice 2: or contact them to share your perspectives on the draft policy statement.

[0:23:03] Voice 2: Come February, staff are going to bundle up all of the information that we've received during this engagement period

[0:23:09] Voice 2: And present that to Trust Council with recommendations for further revision. And of course, trustees themselves will bring their own recommendations for further revision based on what they've been hearing from their constituents. And at that time, there'll be an opportunity for Trust Council to give the policy statement bylaw second or third reading or request that staff go away and retool it accordingly before coming back for further consideration by Trust Council.

[0:23:33] Voice 2: Council. So thank you, trustees. Those are sort of my introductory remarks on it. And I guess over

[0:23:39] Voice 2: to you.

[0:23:41] Voice 14: Thank you, Planner Young. So trustees, any comments or questions? So we'll hand it over

[0:23:50] Voice 14: to the attendees. Does anybody have any questions or comments on the policy statement?

[0:23:58] Voice 6: I do have

[0:23:59] Voice 6: one question about the statement and the goals set out there. Now they're labeled obviously by

[0:24:04] Voice 6: number, and I'm curious, are these labeled in terms of hierarchy, or are these just general

[0:24:09] Voice 6: non-competing priorities?

[0:24:12] Voice 6: I asked

[0:24:13] Voice 14: my plan of yarmulkes, but I believe it is just non-priority, so plan of yarmulkes.

[0:24:20] Voice 2: Yeah, I mean, in my perspective, they are not laid out in a hierarchical nature, but

[0:24:29] Voice 2: they do reflect the three priority areas that Trust Council had identified as wanting

[0:24:34] Voice 2: to to hit on in this update to the policy statement those being reconciliation with

[0:24:38] Voice 2: indigenous people uh climate change and and housing diversity um but yes they are i don't

[0:24:45] Voice 2: believe they are intended to be uh hierarchical anybody

[0:24:50] Voice 22: else

[0:24:52] Voice 20: yeah i'm just i'll add that like

[0:24:54] Voice 20: there's never been any discussion of them being there in any of the conversations around us this

[0:24:59] Voice 20: This is like, say, year six on the policy.

[0:25:04] Voice 6: No, I understand.

[0:25:05] Voice 6: I'm just wanting to clarify.

[0:25:06] Voice 20: No, no, no.

[0:25:06] Voice 20: And in none of those conversations has there been a hierarchy.

[0:25:10] Voice 20: There has this version.

[0:25:12] Voice 20: There is some shifting, I think, of where things are.

[0:25:16] Voice 20: But I think, again, it was more related to just kind of fitting them into these broader three bins.

[0:25:23] Voice 20: Thank you.

[0:25:27] Voice 14: Anybody else?

[0:25:28] Voice 14: I

[0:25:32] Voice 20: noticed something, and I've been tracking this all along, but it's, you know, there's

[0:25:36] Voice 20: a lot of voices in this pot as we create this box.

[0:25:40] Voice 20: I noticed in the page where it describes what the policies are, not the implementation stuff,

[0:25:47] Voice 20: which actually kind of almost is the opposite thing, but in the three colored boxes, the

[0:25:53] Voice 20: yellow box where it talks about directive policies still has should language instead

[0:25:58] Voice 20: of must.

[0:25:58] Voice 20: So I really don't understand that perspective of a directive policy, like is it or isn't, you know, so because the advisory policies use the language advised, like, well, isn't that almost as long as it should?

[0:26:13] Voice 20: So I just don't understand what the difference is between the two.

[0:26:17] Voice 20: So I think it's something that might come up, but I did notice the implementation policy at the end that it was like, these have to be adhered to.

[0:26:27] Voice 20: I'm not really sure.

[0:26:29] Voice 8: I asked that question too.

[0:26:31] Voice 20: Oh, good.

[0:26:32] Voice 20: What was your answer?

[0:26:33] Voice 18: Her companion

[0:26:33] Voice 8: was there on the way over.

[0:26:37] Voice 8: I said twice.

[0:26:40] Voice 8: She said legally it's different.

[0:26:43] Voice 8: Oh.

[0:26:44] Voice 8: She's a lawyer.

[0:26:47] Voice 22: I

[0:26:48] Voice 5: should have asked you for me.

[0:26:49] Voice 5: Well, when you have the statement at the end that says that's mandatory, I think that that

[0:26:56] Voice 5: would be important to those.

[0:26:58] Voice 5: But you can use shall, must, should is less prescriptive, but at the end where they say

[0:27:06] Voice 5: it should be, it makes it mandatory, and they call it direct, which again means it's mandatory.

[0:27:14] Voice 5: But there is, there's a bit of a gray area there.

[0:27:17] Voice 20: Yeah, I felt like there was a bit of a gray area too.

[0:27:19] Voice 20: Okay, thank you.

[0:27:20] Voice 20: I'd love it if anybody wants to comment on that.

[0:27:25] Voice 20: So

[0:27:25] Voice 14: Jason, any sort of comments on sort of the shells, musts, shoulds?

[0:27:30] Voice 2: No,

[0:27:31] Voice 14: I mean, this is

[0:27:33] Voice 2: something that has been flagged in other correspondence that we've received.

[0:27:36] Voice 2: And so ultimately, when it comes to executive committee or trust council adjudicating whether a local bylaw is consistent with the policy statement,

[0:27:50] Voice 2: That's a political decision of the elected body. And so I think it's up to Trust Council to determine the extent to which it wants to compel its local trust committees to follow these directives, right?

[0:28:08] Voice 2: Right. Like if if Trust Council wants local trust committees to follow every single one of these directives in order for Trust Council to then decide that a local bylaw is consistent with the policy statement,

[0:28:22] Voice 2: then it should state that explicitly within the document that that is the expectation.

[0:28:29] Voice 2: My observation from my time working as a planner with the Islands Trust is that there are many different inputs that feed into a decision of executive committee or trust council in deliberating whether or not a bylaw is consistent with the policy statement.

[0:28:45] Voice 2: And so I've seen executive committee and Chair Mott, of course, you can speak to this from your experience sitting at that table.

[0:28:51] Voice 2: i've seen um trust council determine that a bylaw is consistent with the policy statement

[0:28:58] Voice 2: even if it may not meet all of the directives that are within the document and that's out of

[0:29:05] Voice 2: as a result of all of the different considerations and inputs that feed into a decision of a of an

[0:29:12] Voice 2: elected political body like like executive committee and so i think that's just something

[0:29:16] Voice 2: thing that Trust Council has to grapple with is the extent to which it wants those directives

[0:29:22] Voice 2: to be explicitly directive, and that there will be no latitude in the consideration of approving

[0:29:29] Voice 2: a local bylaw if it fails to meet any one of those directives. Thanks. I hope that wasn't

[0:29:35] Voice 2: too much of a word salad.

[0:29:38] Voice 20: I'll add that I have consistently argued that we should have show.

[0:29:43] Voice 20: And not because I think that we should be draconian from the Trust Council perspective,

[0:29:47] Voice 20: per se. It's more that I think local politics get in the way of making good ecological protection

[0:29:53] Voice 20: decisions sometimes. And so I actually think the trust policy statement given the nature

[0:30:00] Voice 20: the law and how it comes out across the province is the protection from local politics that we

[0:30:06] Voice 20: need across the trust area to be defending so that's my

[0:30:09] Voice 7: isn't there also the overlapping of

[0:30:15] Voice 7: what is a trust council authority and what's a local trust council authority yeah like there is

[0:30:23] Voice 7: i know that that's that's been one of the things that i have heard some people is not wanting to

[0:30:30] Voice 7: trust policy statement to take away from the local trust committee's ability to make decisions and so

[0:30:36] Voice 7: that may be why their directives that are shells or should because yeah but then so that we can

[0:30:46] Voice 7: actually sit back and and as as jason was saying like kind of you know in the in the spirit of what

[0:30:52] Voice 7: we're trying to accomplish on pender you know we do feel that this uh is is a positive bylaw

[0:31:00] Voice 7: then move it forward that way because it's what works for us not necessarily what's going to work

[0:31:05] Voice 7: for denman or saturn or you know and so maybe that is where the issues yeah

[0:31:12] Voice 20: i would argue that

[0:31:14] Voice 20: the difference in that is that that's the difference between directive policy and advisory

[0:31:18] Voice 20: Like if we really think there are things that are in local jurisdiction, we should be shoving

[0:31:22] Voice 20: them to the advisory.

[0:31:24] Voice 20: And if we really think that they come down from the Unrestressed Act at the provincial

[0:31:28] Voice 20: level, then they trump local control because they are supposed to be from the province

[0:31:34] Voice 20: as a territory.

[0:31:35] Voice 20: So that's my difference.

[0:31:38] Voice 8: Was the language of should versus shall an issue in the last version of the whole statement

[0:31:46] Voice 8: that you're quoting?

[0:31:47] Voice 20: it's been an issue the whole way through

[0:31:49] Voice 8: it's also was it shell in the last one there was a

[0:31:54] Voice 20: lot of shell i think i think so and then it got it got there was pressure both ways and it is this

[0:32:00] Voice 20: this tension that you can see between local control or provincial sort of dictate on a trust

[0:32:07] Voice 20: and it depends different people read it different ways or want to read it different ways right

[0:32:11] Voice 20: politics are involved and so it's it's basically a question of when we step back from any one LTC

[0:32:18] Voice 20: and we say what is the trust area what are we really trying to do with these policies to like

[0:32:24] Voice 20: guard and protect the trust area in a way that makes it different from Vancouver or Nanaimo or

[0:32:29] Voice 20: whatever right that's the question that I'm asking is like as a not as a local trust committee

[0:32:35] Voice 20: member but as a trust council member when I sit at that table like what are we doing to protect

[0:32:41] Voice 20: the entire trust area in key ways and not

[0:32:43] Voice 20: over like what do you call it like over regulated

[0:32:48] Voice 20: like not over regulated but just provide the like here's the sort of buck stops issues and here's

[0:32:54] Voice 20: the things we love i'm for putting a ton of it into advisory policies as guidance if we have

[0:33:00] Voice 20: a few things that we're going to say no this is like these are the bars i

[0:33:05] Voice 7: think it's also

[0:33:06] Voice 7: has come up quite regularly in the trust council arena where bylaws are being created or motions

[0:33:17] Voice 7: that definition of whether this is a must or a should you know it really gets talked about quite

[0:33:27] Voice 7: a bit and even you know and wordsmithing maybe to make sure that it is either a very specific

[0:33:38] Voice 7: So I think that it is just something that people really do read themselves and sort of, you know, do I have to do this? Or is there any flexibility in doing it? So clarity is really important.

[0:33:57] Voice 20: And I would like to add that, from my perspective anyway, with the land use by law review project

[0:34:03] Voice 20: that we did last term and then we passed this term, and from some of the other things, North

[0:34:08] Voice 20: Bender is way ahead on compliance with most of these pieces, because we were proactive

[0:34:14] Voice 20: about it.

[0:34:15] Voice 20: As we were going through the conversations, we stepped up to try and do these pieces.

[0:34:20] Voice 20: So, we're actually, and we also know that we're under pressure from development, right?

[0:34:26] Voice 20: So, we're kind of trying to be a little bit more, but again, like, what do we really care

[0:34:33] Voice 20: about as a community is a bit of a question, and what do we think is not so great, like,

[0:34:37] Voice 20: relative to the protection for our team system?

[0:34:43] Voice 16: So, I have a question similar to the shoulds and the shalls and the wills around insure

[0:34:50] Voice 16: versus strive to insure.

[0:34:52] Voice 16: Yeah.

[0:34:54] Voice 16: So, for example, when I look at fresh water and I think of Magic Lake, that one gets a

[0:35:01] Voice 16: strive to insure under fresh water versus everything else on that particular page 21

[0:35:08] Voice 16: saying insure and I'm curious why the language is different and if it actually means something

[0:35:16] Voice 16: different.

[0:35:18] Voice 16: Tristan, I don't know if

[0:35:19] Voice 20: you want to take that.

[0:35:20] Voice 20: My understanding of that, just off the top of my head, is actually there's some areas that

[0:35:25] Voice 20: jurisdictionally are complex, so we don't have full control. But I don't know if that's exactly

[0:35:30] Voice 20: where that went. Jason?

[0:35:36] Voice 2: Thank you, Chair. Yeah, I think Trustee Morrison has hit on it there,

[0:35:40] Voice 2: though now I am seeing an inconsistency between Directive Policy 355 and 356,

[0:35:47] Voice 2: um both of which live under advisory policies and the reason that they do live under advisory

[0:35:52] Voice 2: policies is for the reason that trustee morrison identified which is that those are areas that are

[0:35:58] Voice 2: not directly within islands trust jurisdiction and in which case the um the provincial government

[0:36:03] Voice 2: actually has sort of the majority jurisdiction related to both um how much or the quality of

[0:36:10] Voice 2: the water and licenses that are issued to withdraw the water um that's not to say that

[0:36:15] Voice 2: But North Pender Local Trust Committee does not have some influence over this, mainly by the land uses approvals that they grant adjacent to or surrounding any of the bodies of water, including Magic Lake on North Pender.

[0:36:30] Voice 2: But the difference between, yeah, that insure and the strive to insure, I think strive to has been left in mainly to indicate that local trust committees should do their best, but recognizing that ultimately there may be another agency or level of government that has greater jurisdiction over the issue and the policy.

[0:36:48] Voice 2: So, if anything, as a result of your question or comment, I would probably recommend that strive to be added to the policy around freshwater quality in 355, whereas in the directive policies above 351 through 354, those are areas that are more squarely within the jurisdiction of the local trust committee.

[0:37:06] Voice 2: And so, it is their responsibility to ensure that the things identified in those policies are met.

[0:37:13] Voice 2: and i guess

[0:37:16] Voice 22: that's true for other areas

[0:37:17] Voice 16: where there might be similar inconsistencies as to

[0:37:20] Voice 16: something i think we're checking yeah

[0:37:22] Voice 7: i was just going to say that i know we have a farm

[0:37:27] Voice 7: so agricultural you have different the trust does have a say in certain areas of it but you may have

[0:37:36] Voice 7: another government entity that essentially has the final say on what it is or

[0:37:42] Voice 7: or sometimes it actually works in reverse.

[0:37:45] Voice 7: They have a policy that governs your land

[0:37:48] Voice 7: and then it says written in there,

[0:37:51] Voice 7: but local government may wish to regulate further, right?

[0:37:58] Voice 7: So there's, it's not always just as cut and dried

[0:38:01] Voice 7: as it buck stops with us.

[0:38:03] Voice 7: And maybe the buck kind of passes through us

[0:38:06] Voice 7: and somebody else

[0:38:07] Voice 7: gives change at the end of the day,

[0:38:10] Voice 7: you know like like it it is it's very hard to know necessarily what is 100 the trust what is

[0:38:19] Voice 7: the trust plus plus um and trying to figure out how you navigate that you know we we would have

[0:38:28] Voice 7: probably have tiny houses on wheels right

[0:38:30] Voice 7: now but just a decision that we could make we're done

[0:38:34] Voice 7: done yeah and it is like this is my first term of doing this and being three years into it and

[0:38:44] Voice 7: there's still a pile of stuff that no matter how much reading and educating and stuff like that

[0:38:50] Voice 7: that you do that you just can't that's where like brad you don't feel it's probably some

[0:38:56] Voice 7: fairly mundane questions for us just being just because you don't know you don't necessarily have

[0:39:02] Voice 7: the ability to get on top of it all and and how it works so to be honest i learned every day yeah

[0:39:09] Voice 7: since constant

[0:39:11] Voice 9: rabbit hole i think for us because there's such a

[0:39:14] Voice 9: diverse set of issues and problems and solutions that we try and it's changing yeah

[0:39:23] Voice 14: when we work

[0:39:24] Voice 14: in a totally unique governance model in a unique environment so you know we are learning every day

[0:39:34] Voice 14: challenging yeah

[0:39:35] Voice 6: i just want to add to that the should shall conversation um just in support of

[0:39:39] Voice 6: the notion that you know i think to say that you know remove local politics from decisions there's

[0:39:45] Voice 6: look there's politics all the way up the chain to that council so don't you know to suggest

[0:39:48] Voice 6: i think is not necessarily the case um i do think that you know having wording such that should and

[0:39:55] Voice 6: whatever the lawyers tell you that it's going to be um that allows for it to be a pragmatic document

[0:40:00] Voice 6: look let's let's be clear like we're in no danger in the islands of looking like Vancouver ever

[0:40:04] Voice 6: no matter what this document says whether it should or shall right that's not we're not a

[0:40:09] Voice 6: threat of that and so allowing for the overarching policy to be a pragmatic document the local LTCs

[0:40:15] Voice 6: can then use to address local issues and concerns I would be concerned that you may have local issues

[0:40:23] Voice 6: that you know would meet every everything that the community stands for that you then you hamstring

[0:40:31] Voice 6: yourself unintentionally by using wording that is is draconian you know in an in that overarching

[0:40:36] Voice 6: policy whether it's tiny houses or whatever it is because the issues on north pender are not

[0:40:41] Voice 6: necessarily going to be the same as they are in on denman or gabriola or bowen as an example it's a

[0:40:45] Voice 6: very different community than ours right so i would actually be very much in favor of the document

[0:40:50] Voice 6: being one that is pragmatic and usable by local committees to make sure that local issues um

[0:40:57] Voice 6: still within the framework of the overarching thought of the trust, can be addressed.

[0:41:03] Voice 20: I'm just too bad my politics are involved in every form of human activity.

[0:41:07] Voice 6: I was

[0:41:08] Voice 20: just arguing that local, local, hyper-local politics get kind of softened

[0:41:13] Voice 20: when we think about the different layers of jurisdiction.

[0:41:16] Voice 6: That's fair enough.

[0:41:17] Voice 6: And we are in a much more regulated environment here because of the trust.

[0:41:20] Voice 6: There's an additional layer that is significant.

[0:41:23] Voice 6: significant and look for any negative sentiment that there's is out there amongst the trust i

[0:41:29] Voice 6: suspect not a lot of it's in the room just by the nature some of it is around the notion that it is

[0:41:34] Voice 6: draconian and i think creating a new policy going into 2050 that is more inclusive of you know if

[0:41:41] Voice 6: you make it pragmatic and something that people don't feel is like just big brother over your

[0:41:45] Voice 6: shoulder you might actually sway some of those people that feel that the trust shouldn't exist

[0:41:49] Voice 6: in the first place right because that is a real sentiment within the islands and it's not a small

[0:41:54] Voice 6: sentiment island

[0:41:55] Voice 5: just wanted to say that being involved in the last review of the policy stage

[0:42:01] Voice 5: there was a huge debate about the should and shall and it was a really strong feeling that

[0:42:09] Voice 5: it should not be yeah and

[0:42:11] Voice 5: that was why there was so much deep pushback yeah was because of the

[0:42:19] Voice 5: the perceived draconian nature of the last policy statement.

[0:42:24] Voice 5: And I think this one,

[0:42:25] Voice 5: you are not seeing a lot of pushback

[0:42:30] Voice 5: simply for that reason.

[0:42:31] Voice 5: Yeah,

[0:42:32] Voice 20: we took out the docks and salt water too.

[0:42:35] Voice 20: Those were the two issues that were like,

[0:42:37] Voice 20: people got kind of desalinization issues.

[0:42:42] Voice 8: Anybody else?

[0:42:43] Voice 8: Go ahead.

[0:42:43] Voice 13: Yeah, I just wanted to talk a little bit

[0:42:45] Voice 13: about the implementation

[0:42:46] Voice 13: presentation and speaking from a

[0:42:49] Voice 13: community perspective and my feeling is that based on

[0:42:55] Voice 13: my whole career is that there needs to be some more simple language some more discussion of it

[0:43:02] Voice 13: in the public some more awareness I mean I made the policy statement and I understand it because

[0:43:09] Voice 13: it's my career but I'm telling you generally speaking the average person on the corner will

[0:43:15] Voice 13: not understand any of this, and then only come towards discussing it with the Islands Trust when

[0:43:23] Voice 13: it hits them. So

[0:43:24] Voice 13: if you really want to get the public's input on this, and I understand you've

[0:43:30] Voice 13: been until February, then you need to get down to simple language. I mean when you

[0:43:35] Voice 13: write things for

[0:43:36] Voice 13: people it has to be a grade six level, and I don't mean that in an insulting way, I mean it that

[0:43:42] Voice 13: that people need to understand.

[0:43:44] Voice 13: And so if you

[0:43:45] Voice 13: really want,

[0:43:46] Voice 13: you say you're not getting any controversy

[0:43:49] Voice 13: with the trust policy at this particular time,

[0:43:52] Voice 13: perhaps there has to be more openness

[0:43:54] Voice 13: about the actual words,

[0:43:57] Voice 13: the actual meaning of the statements.

[0:44:00] Voice 13: That's all.

[0:44:01] Voice 6: Well, I might add that the report does suggest

[0:44:04] Voice 6: there's a very low uptake in the survey to begin with.

[0:44:07] Voice 6: So, no dissenting voices,

[0:44:09] Voice 6: but I would argue probably no voices,

[0:44:11] Voice 6: really at this point you know statistically speaking yeah

[0:44:15] Voice 20: usually at this time like we think

[0:44:17] Voice 20: about the engagement process last time it was the release around this kind of stage of the policy

[0:44:23] Voice 20: statement it was the release of a version that was considered to be the version that might go

[0:44:27] Voice 20: forward that's instigated more public feedback which is legit right so like we don't really

[0:44:33] Voice 20: want to start a massive debate on something that trustees haven't agreed in any way to

[0:44:37] Voice 20: too. So we anticipate between now and February, we can figure out to make sure that happens.

[0:44:45] Voice 20: Many of the people who were, not many, some of the people who were involved in the original

[0:44:52] Voice 20: effort to kind of critique, let's put it that way, the original policy statement, are trustees

[0:45:01] Voice 20: or are deeply involved in the trust now. So they've been elected. So they're involved

[0:45:05] Voice 20: involved in the creation of this version. So that has helped a little bit to like balance

[0:45:09] Voice 20: it.

[0:45:10] Voice 7: I think it's the process. It's important to understand the process with almost all of

[0:45:16] Voice 7: the decisions that we make. You start out with something and for us, it's about getting

[0:45:22] Voice 7: it

[0:45:22] Voice 3: to where they go first.

[0:46:26] Voice 7: That really, for me, has been the goal of any of the things

[0:46:30] Voice 7: that we do. Just get it to the point where we're having real conversations about what

[0:46:35] Voice 7: it is and then you know if it's if it's too prescriptive if it's not prescriptive enough

[0:46:40] Voice 7: whatever it is then we can adjust it from there before it goes to second and third and then it

[0:46:45] Voice 7: comes back um as an actual finished document so that part of it is right as deb said that's right

[0:46:52] Voice 7: where we're hitting right now you know this document is going up to the public the public

[0:46:56] Voice 7: is seeing it they're having you know what you're striving to do and what you're not striving to do

[0:47:03] Voice 7: and you know it starts to all the questions are going to come out that we maybe didn't even think

[0:47:08] Voice 7: of in the reading through it for the seventh or eighth or ninth time because you start to get

[0:47:13] Voice 7: caught up in just one specific that you feel like you need to fix but everybody else sees something

[0:47:20] Voice 7: that they need to fix and so hopefully we can move that forward now with the feedback to a document

[0:47:27] Voice 7: that everybody's comfortable with a

[0:47:30] Voice 20: couple other things that i think are really really different

[0:47:33] Voice 20: right now compared to when it had gone out in the first round is like you're saying there

[0:47:40] Voice 20: the in the first round the trust council decided to push out a version of the trust policy statement

[0:47:47] Voice 20: to the public it hadn't gone to healthy seats for community conversation it hadn't gone to

[0:47:55] Voice 20: first reading so the trustees themselves actually had gone through fine-tooth comb and agreed to

[0:48:00] Voice 20: everything um it was a staff draft of it and like all good with step being great about what they're

[0:48:06] Voice 20: doing but like i felt at the time that i was chair of the trust program today so i was in charge of

[0:48:11] Voice 20: the project and like i felt at the time that it was critical that we go through the process of

[0:48:17] Voice 20: actually having trustees look at it their representatives of their community like if

[0:48:21] Voice 20: if they're going to put something out to the public for comment for like more feedback at

[0:48:26] Voice 20: least we should be super familiar with it and it should have our stamp on it to some degree and so

[0:48:30] Voice 20: the draft that it went out for public comment at first round because that's those things so i think

[0:48:35] Voice 20: you're seeing a very different version of the document now and a very different process so

[0:48:40] Voice 20: because the process has been that trustees have had lots of working group meetings to be able to

[0:48:45] Voice 20: go through this and like but it's never going to be perfect for everyone it's never going to be

[0:48:51] Voice 20: It's a thousand times better than what we're currently doing with the policy statement.

[0:48:55] Voice 20: So yeah, but definitely every piece of feedback that you have, you can put it through, that

[0:49:01] Voice 20: really, really helps.

[0:49:03] Voice 14: And I would add to what Dina mentioned, is there also hard copies available for the survey?

[0:49:10] Voice 14: It shouldn't be at the Penrhyn Library, so

[0:49:13] Voice 14: it should be Cox's Policy Statement and on

[0:49:15] Voice 14: the survey with with an address or a it still doesn't count right now with postage but but

[0:49:22] Voice 14: anyhow there should be a postage envelopes so you can give the feedback um hopefully the postal

[0:49:29] Voice 14: strike won't last too long you can

[0:49:31] Voice 20: bring it into one of the meetings yeah so

[0:49:34] Voice 14: there is that option

[0:49:36] Voice 14: also anybody

[0:49:37] Voice 20: else when we agree or disagree with your feedback we want to go through it so you

[0:49:41] Voice 20: know like we're open-minded absolutely to

[0:49:43] Voice 10: the back you want our name i just got here so i don't know

[0:49:47] Voice 10: at this point we're fine

[0:49:50] Voice 10: a large segment of the population here are seniors who have moved here to retire so they're not they

[0:50:01] Voice 10: don't have much prior knowledge at all times it's a beautiful place to come and live in the retirement

[0:50:09] Voice 10: Amongst those, many of them, a common question is, why do we need two local governments?

[0:50:17] Voice 10: This is the idea, not why do we have to cross?

[0:50:20] Voice 10: And you know that as well as I do.

[0:50:23] Voice 10: This is the situation.

[0:50:26] Voice 10: Is there any possibility of organizing a public meeting at the community hall on either a Friday or Saturday night,

[0:50:34] Voice 10: possibly combined with one of their movies. The best public journal I've seen at any

[0:50:41] Voice 10: event was for a famous documentary called Sam Confidential and there are people who are

[0:50:49] Voice 10: interested to learn about the world around them and engage to some extent but it has to,

[0:50:58] Voice 10: for them. This time of day doesn't work for working people or younger people who are trying

[0:51:03] Voice 10: to end up living. And seniors have commitments such as doctors appointments. So is there

[0:51:13] Voice 10: any possibility of, say, it doesn't need to be a formal meeting, but just for two trustees

[0:51:19] Voice 10: and people to help organize it a bit. And it's a meeting in the evening when the public

[0:51:27] Voice 10: could come and learn about the process of the trust policy statement, why the trust exists,

[0:51:34] Voice 10: maybe have someone from the Conservancy speak a bit about ecology, because another common problem

[0:51:41] Voice 10: is people aren't aware of the ecological motivation for creating the trust.

[0:51:50] Voice 10: So short

[0:51:52] Voice 7: answer would be no, because we can't both be in a

[0:51:55] Voice 7: meeting discussing things that's not

[0:51:58] Voice 7: in camera not recorded right so sort of yes sort

[0:52:04] Voice 20: of this is a gray line issue as

[0:52:05] Voice 7: long as we're not

[0:52:06] Voice 20: like like yeah sort of i would so we have this issue because there were a small community and

[0:52:13] Voice 20: there's two of us and how do we have conversations like this right so we certainly can't talk about

[0:52:18] Voice 20: anything like further ltc related issues if it's trust policy

[0:52:23] Voice 3: related issues we told but and people

[0:52:52] Voice 3: getting

[0:52:53] Voice 20: here like yourself you know it's it's a real dilemma um so we moved them to friday to

[0:52:56] Voice 20: make it a little bit easier instead of midweek for people coming and going um but we have staff

[0:53:01] Voice 20: who work too we can't expect that they are working on weekends all the time so it's a dilemma if we

[0:53:07] Voice 20: do a meeting like that i would suggest that we tag it on to the end of our community information

[0:53:13] Voice 20: meeting on october 25th which is already scheduled at the hall i think no it's here it's here right

[0:53:21] Voice 20: um so that's a possibility is like you know have an hour at the end if people want to come and i'm

[0:53:29] Voice 20: willing to like hang out chat um steve um and i last semester when he's trying to do something

[0:53:36] Voice 20: under him and

[0:53:37] Voice 20: i actually did a like just come and chat about stuff uh related to trust policy stuff

[0:53:43] Voice 20: last time and people really liked it because we just you know we don't have like the definitive

[0:53:48] Voice 20: answers necessarily, but we do have experience in this space where you can answer some questions

[0:53:52] Voice 20: or direct people to the right question. So the generic things about like, what is the

[0:53:57] Voice 20: trust? What's the history of it? Why is it here? Like some of that we can answer. And

[0:54:00] Voice 20: the conservancy would be great to have that conversation too, because people don't really

[0:54:04] Voice 20: understand that what we do here in our LTC and trust council is actually the type that

[0:54:08] Voice 20: connected to the conservancy.

[0:54:10] Voice 10: When you say answer, do you mean that the question is answered, addressed to the group

[0:54:16] Voice 10: or to one person?

[0:54:19] Voice 10: I'm not sure. Sorry.

[0:54:20] Voice 10: What I'm visualizing is a seminar

[0:54:23] Voice 10: where there's a presentation about

[0:54:25] Voice 10: a bit about, say, 15 minutes

[0:54:27] Voice 10: about the history of the trust.

[0:54:29] Voice 10: Maybe some slides.

[0:54:31] Voice 10: And the group sees

[0:54:33] Voice 10: why the trust was invented.

[0:54:36] Voice 10: Whereas if you're talking

[0:54:37] Voice 10: one-on-one to individual people,

[0:54:39] Voice 10: yes, each person appreciates

[0:54:42] Voice 10: getting an answer.

[0:54:44] Voice 10: I'm

[0:54:44] Voice 20: talking about what you're describing.

[0:54:46] Voice 20: It wouldn't be that hard to give some of that background.

[0:54:50] Voice 20: I actually think there may be slides like that that I've seen already that somebody from the test has presented at some point.

[0:54:57] Voice 20: So we could probably ask around for those.

[0:55:00] But I wouldn't want to, I don't think

[0:55:03] Voice 20: that we have the resources necessarily outside our sort of LTC mandate to ask staff to come in additionally for a different meeting or different date.

[0:55:13] Voice 20: That's just asking a lot of questions.

[0:55:16] Voice 10: necessary. No,

[0:55:17] Voice 21: I don't think it's necessary for what you're talking about. I'm thinking more along

[0:55:22] Voice 3: the line of an educational seminar. It

[0:56:44] Voice 6: sounds like we've already been dealing with this for a while,

[0:56:47] Voice 6: but I would add just to this timing thing, right, that, you know, I can definitely appreciate,

[0:56:51] Voice 6: you know, the

[0:56:52] Voice 3: constraints of the staff. I'm here for the first

[0:57:01] Voice 6: time simply because I was able to

[0:57:02] Voice 6: finally take a day off when I'm in the country to get here, right? It's not an effective body.

[0:57:07] Voice 6: if your electorate can't be here you know and i appreciate that there's staffing issues but i

[0:57:11] Voice 6: would argue that the electorate would be the most important thing to consider and the ability for

[0:57:15] Voice 6: them to engage with you do you think i agree i also

[0:57:19] Voice 7: do think that that is a challenge that

[0:57:21] Voice 7: whether it's the crd or the or regional district or any of those things that's monday or friday

[0:57:28] Voice 7: they don't hold meetings necessarily at the most convenient times either and any any anybody that

[0:57:36] Voice 7: is governing it sort of i

[0:57:39] Voice 6: can i can speak for north vancouver um council meetings are in the

[0:57:44] Voice 6: evenings even when they're on the weekdays and so those of us that work can still attend them

[0:57:47] Voice 6: i

[0:57:48] Voice 11: guess it should be you know like living here and going back and forth because if you have an

[0:57:53] Voice 11: evening meeting and you've got people coming from off island they're not going to be able to get

[0:57:57] Voice 11: the last ferry home no

[0:57:58] Voice 6: fair enough no i get it it's like you know in my case i had to come

[0:58:01] Voice 6: yesterday right because there isn't a ferry early enough in the morning to get here right so look

[0:58:05] Voice 6: and i deal with that that's my own issue i'm just saying for those even just working on the island

[0:58:10] Voice 6: right you know 10 o'clock on a friday it's better than thursday granted but it's still you know

[0:58:16] Voice 6: authority people can't be here even if they have concerns so it's it's definitely it's a challenge

[0:58:21] Voice 14: it's an ongoing issue in local government i think i've been involved for unfortunate decades and

[0:58:27] Voice 14: there never seems to be a right time so like certainly on the saturday meetings that we felt

[0:58:31] Voice 14: And sometimes we might have very, very low attendance.

[0:58:36] Voice 19: Because there's so many things going on on Saturdays.

[0:58:38] Voice 14: I think the largest event is summertime.

[0:58:41] Voice 7: These meetings actually get more turnout than any of the, so far,

[0:58:46] Voice 7: than any of the meetings on Saturdays.

[0:58:49] Voice 7: And we've tried to do them like when it's like the busiest farmers market

[0:58:55] Voice 7: Saturday of the year and meet at the farmers market.

[0:58:59] Voice 7: so people literally have to go a hundred feet to get to the meeting and six people show up

[0:59:05] Voice 7: yeah you know and it's just like i guess

[0:59:08] Voice 6: that speaks to a larger problem with engagement

[0:59:09] Voice 6: yeah right under the timing 100 percent three

[0:59:13] Voice 7: years and then one document comes out and all

[0:59:17] Voice 7: of a sudden there's hundreds of people that the housing note was oddly like very well attended

[0:59:25] Voice 7: Peter says maybe not, but comparatively speaking, the housing survey that we put out,

[0:59:31] Voice 7: I think people were sort of negative of the fact that we were putting out a survey

[0:59:36] Voice 7: and then the number of people that actually it was considered very much successful from a normal turnout.

[0:59:46] Voice 7: Those are the people who care about it.

[0:59:47] Voice 20: That's right. It's about are we targeting in on the things that people care about to be able to bring them in.

[0:59:52] Voice 14: But if testimonies notice note to his evenings are difficult in a place that they've seen

[1:00:00] Voice 14: a normal

[1:00:00] Voice 10: community like they say north vancouver the

[1:00:03] Voice 14: the staff live in the community trustees

[1:00:06] Voice 14: they're not um with violence trust we gather from all over hey

[1:00:09] Voice 6: look i i'm not i'm not suggesting

[1:00:11] Voice 6: time i'm just putting it out there you know and again you're you're dealing with it but you know

[1:00:16] Voice 6: it's funny because

[1:00:18] Voice 20: the evening here is a non-travel non-logistical issue there's a

[1:00:22] Voice 20: hilarious part it's like eight o'clock like everyone's quiet so back

[1:00:29] Voice 14: to the policy statement

[1:00:30] Voice 14: because we have policy advisors here anybody else have any more feedback on policy statement

[1:00:37] Voice 14: okay well thank you all very much for for giving that feedback i'm sure jason very much appreciates

[1:00:46] Voice 14: all those those fine words because you've given us food for thought we will move forward thank

[1:00:52] you very much um so what we have actually conveniently placed there or maybe it's

[1:01:00] Voice 14: inconveniently is the feedback uh emotion do you want to put that off to another meeting

[1:01:07] Voice 14: or do you want to uh

[1:01:10] Voice 12: sorry can you give me a few more questions

[1:01:13] Voice 12: question.

[1:01:16] Voice 3: It's going to be right.

[1:01:23] Voice 9: I think it's later on in your referral portion, David.

[1:01:28] Voice 9: Okay. I

[1:01:30] Voice 14: think it's under

[1:01:33] Voice 14: 14.3. Okay. So, we will deal with that at 14.3. All right. Thank

[1:01:41] Voice 14: you very much, Jason. You can get back to having a sunny day in Oak Bay.

[1:01:46] Voice 14: Thanks.

[1:01:47] Voice 2: Thanks, North Pender trustees. Maybe just to one of the points raised by the last audience member who spoke, there's a recording of the town hall that we hosted earlier in September, which begins with a bit of a preamble about sort of a very brief Islands Trust 101.

[1:02:03] Voice 2: And so if he wants to take a look at that, and if he thinks that's a benefit, he could certainly circulate that to some of his community members who would like to learn a little bit more about the trust. But thanks.

[1:02:14] Voice 17: Jason, I would love to have the slides, if there was slides from staff for that.

[1:02:21] Voice 2: Yeah, I can circulate those as well.

[1:02:23] Voice 2: Okay,

[1:02:24] Voice 17: thank you

[1:02:25] Voice 2: very much.

[1:02:27] Voice 2: Okay, thanks, trustees. Bye.

[1:02:29] Voice 21: All

[1:02:30] Voice 14: right, so we'll move down to page 42 now.

[1:02:35] Voice 14: Trust meetings dated July 25th. Any feedback on those?

[1:02:41] Voice 14: So by general consent, we can adopt those.

[1:02:44] Voice 14: Yeah.

[1:02:44] Voice 14: Thank you very much. Pre-informations, page 51 of the Resolution on Meeting Report, and then we have 10.3, Advisory Planning Commission Meeting, and it's dated June 20th, August 15th, and September 12th for receipt.

[1:03:02] Voice 14: Can

[1:03:03] Voice 20: I just do one note about the

[1:03:04] Voice 20: advisory planning committee notes?

[1:03:06] Voice 20: Those are awesome.

[1:03:09] Voice 20: Those are super, super

[1:03:10] Voice 20: helpful to read through.

[1:03:12] Voice 20: And thank you all for the work that you have been doing

[1:03:14] Voice 20: in that committee. It's been really, really helpful

[1:03:16] Voice 20: to just read your

[1:03:18] Voice 20: process as you're going through it.

[1:03:21] Voice 8: Thanks, Carla.

[1:03:23] Voice 8: Awesome.

[1:03:25] Voice 14: It's a very

[1:03:28] Voice 14: impressive amount of work

[1:03:29] Voice 14: and I very much sincerely appreciate it.

[1:03:32] Voice 14: It's wonderful stuff.

[1:03:35] Voice 14: All right.

[1:03:37] Voice 14: So now we'll move down to page 65,

[1:03:39] follow-up action list, September 25.

[1:03:43] I understand.

[1:03:44] Anything?

[1:03:45] Voice 9: I'm thinking some of the actions are complete

[1:03:48] Voice 9: unless there are any questions.

[1:03:50] Voice 14: All right.

[1:03:52] Voice 14: No questions.

[1:03:53] Voice 14: All righty.

[1:03:54] Voice 14: So we'll move on now to section 13, correspondence, page 67.

[1:03:59] Voice 14: So we have Rob Fenn and maybe Mike Curtis

[1:04:04] it's not going to put you today um well

[1:04:08] Voice 14: said uh read the positive housing options report

[1:04:15] Voice 14: so over to you mr if you have any sort of yeah

[1:04:19] Voice 4: um maybe and i'll both make two short comments

[1:04:23] Voice 4: um we sent the report uh to brad and i went to the apc and uh i think you got to yourself but

[1:04:32] Voice 4: may have been too far deep in it and all your material and it's about 100 pages long so it's

[1:04:39] Voice 4: a very detailed report and so hopefully you'll get a chance to

[1:04:46] Voice 22: review

[1:04:48] Voice 4: it we've spent quite a

[1:04:50] Voice 4: bit of time on it trying to deal with the whole affordable housing issue we both have some quite

[1:04:57] Voice 4: bit of background in and so um perhaps i'll just make a few comments uh right now um basically

[1:05:10] Voice 4: reiterate some things you know but 25 people a month they're looking for housing here

[1:05:17] Voice 4: looking for affordable housing um the fact is housing needs are unseen for a lot of people

[1:05:28] Voice 4: They're living in awful accommodations, whether they're co-surfing, living in a moldy basement suite, living in a tent, living in a car.

[1:05:43] Voice 4: Mamie and I visited one piece of property where there was three people living in awful places with no running water and just appalling conditions.

[1:05:54] Voice 4: conditions and but you know they're working and so those certain things are hidden even for us

[1:06:00] Voice 4: we were surprised on that um so there's clearly a housing shortage i know you know that but i want

[1:06:07] Voice 4: to reiterate that it affects the whole community i mean if you look at the grocery store they can't

[1:06:14] Voice 4: keep open and employers have all sorts of difficulties um traditional housing solutions

[1:06:22] Voice 4: solutions don't work here for a variety of reasons. Our construction costs are too high,

[1:06:28] Voice 4: our land costs are high because you're not going to be able to do some high rises, which brings

[1:06:34] Voice 4: your land cost per unit down. And senior levels of government aren't interested in funding

[1:06:43] Voice 4: traditional kind of housing here, which would be acceptable to the trust.

[1:06:47] Voice 4: so the end result is we don't have anything all right mid 80s was the last time anything got built

[1:06:55] Voice 4: here and that's 40 years ago the need has got a lot greater so our analysis is that we have to

[1:07:05] Voice 4: look outside the box and that's why we're suggesting our needs because they're way more

[1:07:13] Voice 4: more affordable. There's less infrastructure that's needed. And they aren't as good as

[1:07:18] Voice 4: regular housing. Our estimation, it's around 90%. So people are saying, well, you should

[1:07:26] Voice 4: accept. Perfect. Well, we aren't getting it. We haven't had it for 40 years. And what we're

[1:07:31] seeing, some RV housing and proper paths that are serviced and all

[1:07:38] Voice 4: the rest of it here to

[1:07:39] Voice 4: zoning rules are going to look after a lot of people as opposed to saying no you can't do it

[1:07:45] Voice 4: because people are doing it now they're doing it the numbers are just increasing i think

[1:07:54] Voice 4: in 2022 there were 51 270 people uh living in an rvs and and from stats canada and since then

[1:08:10] Voice 4: and we've estimated another 40 to 50,000

[1:08:13] Voice 4: and BC's all are used, it's widespread.

[1:08:19] Voice 4: Okay, and it's happening because it's people respond.

[1:08:24] Voice 4: They don't like living in a tent kind of thing.

[1:08:26] Voice 4: And so that's what's happening.

[1:08:30] Voice 4: We've come up with what we call

[1:08:36] Voice 4: of the Island RV Park Initiative and Development Plan that would follow zoning rules.

[1:08:45] Voice 4: Generally, it was after you make some changes to allow for our fees.

[1:08:49] Voice 4: But we spent a lot of time in our paper dealing with site selection, timelines,

[1:08:56] Voice 4: strategic analysis, partnerships, operating and capital pro formas, regulations,

[1:09:02] Voice 4: Regulations and choosing the right instruction.

[1:09:06] We've got a whole proposal there on four-year consideration

[1:09:10] Voice 4: that something can be done.

[1:09:13] Voice 4: And the idea is that maybe spend a lot of time saying it would follow the 2022 Southern

[1:09:21] Voice 4: Gulf Islands Housing Strategy and CRRT Rural Housing Plan.

[1:09:26] Voice 4: Try to fit it into that, but it's based on using RVs.

[1:09:33] Voice 4: So, when we think that's critical, we do note from the ADC that one of their concerns with

[1:09:42] Voice 4: using RVs was from the fire chief about safety.

[1:09:47] Voice 4: It's a valid point because it does have to be addressed and we're very concerned about

[1:09:52] Voice 4: it.

[1:09:53] Voice 4: Our view is that if RVs have a smoke detector, a CO2 detector, a fire extinguisher, and their propane is checked, that they're basically going to deal with those kind of possible fire issues reasonably.

[1:10:11] Voice 4: we would be open to suggesting and working with the fire department on how to ongoing make sure

[1:10:18] Voice 4: that we have the highest standards because it's it's it's clearly a concern the valid one but

[1:10:24] Voice 4: we're suggesting there are answers to all the things with our bees we're saying there are

[1:10:30] Voice 4: answers okay it's not it's not as good as nice wooden housing and stuff but for a lot of people

[1:10:38] Voice 4: it would be very successful and a lot of people are doing it now. Now I'm going to turn it over

[1:10:45] Voice 4: maybe before I go on.

[1:10:48] Voice 13: Thanks. Yeah I think in the research as well I'd also like to mention

[1:10:54] Voice 13: that we did speak to quite a number of municipalities. So we spoke to Nanaimo,

[1:11:00] Voice 13: we spoke to Vernon, Main Island. There are municipalities out there like Main Island that

[1:11:06] Voice 13: has a bylaw that actually states our beings are permitted and it says the use of a recreational

[1:11:15] Voice 13: vehicle as a dwelling is permitted on a lot and subject to and so what they're saying is

[1:11:23] Voice 13: that they have already allowed it on main island and people are living in our beings

[1:11:31] Voice 13: and there are people living as Rob is mentioning all across BC. There are parks where people live

[1:11:39] Voice 13: full-time. I can name half a dozen where people have lived there for five to ten years and as

[1:11:46] Voice 13: we've seen in write-ups in the news consistently how the whole of the BC government has actually

[1:11:53] Voice 13: now approved the tenancy act for people who live in RVs so they cannot be kicked out because they

[1:12:02] Voice 13: have been living there for 10 years. So there's a lot of there's a lot of material that supports

[1:12:08] Voice 13: full-time RV living. In our

[1:12:11] Voice 13: particular case on Pandora Island of course we do have issues

[1:12:18] Voice 13: when it comes to the environment and how it would be met, but we are proposing the use

[1:12:25] Voice 13: of RVs can meet these particular bylaws, as we've been talking about all morning.

[1:12:32] Voice 13: And what we're trying to suggest, and this is the big leap, is that somebody in Nanaimo

[1:12:41] Voice 13: and there's a quite a number of other municipalities,

[1:12:45] Voice 13: somebody has to take the first step

[1:12:48] Voice 13: to say, let's try it.

[1:12:51] Voice 13: Let's see, let's approve, let's put the zoning there

[1:12:55] Voice 13: to allow some RVs and see what happens.

[1:12:59] Voice 13: You could be the pioneer for the whole entire province

[1:13:03] Voice 13: because Nanaimo is holding back,

[1:13:06] Voice 13: Tamsinou is holding back Okanagan

[1:13:09] Voice 13: off, and the only people that have moved forward with it is Vernon. And Maine, of course, has

[1:13:16] Voice 13: been doing it for years. But Vernon put a bylaw forward that said that people could

[1:13:20] Voice 13: live in their RV on a alarm

[1:13:22] Voice 13: net. In our proposal, and you can see

[1:13:25] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: a lot of details, they did

[1:13:26] Voice 13: some extensive research to show how possible it is to live in an RV. I've lived in an RV

[1:13:32] Voice 13: be uh full time for a number of years and i can say in all honesty that it is a possibility

[1:13:42] Voice 13: so i guess what we're presenting to you and i know it's a really long report so maybe read it

[1:13:47] Voice 13: over several nights um but there's extensive research that went into it the other thing that

[1:13:54] Voice 13: i'm really that has come to light with all the information is in fact your five goals from from

[1:14:03] Voice 13: the ltc here from your work we meet all of my goals we're we're talking about housing that um

[1:14:13] Voice 13: as amendments to living and recreation as a multi-use multi-unit development that's part of

[1:14:20] Voice 13: your goal to um support your your survey over 40 percent of pender island residents

[1:14:29] Voice 13: in your survey supported zoning for rv vehicles there is a possibility so i guess what we're

[1:14:36] Voice 13: asking today um is just an open mind to possibly put it forward we know toby ellen we spoke to

[1:14:45] Voice 13: Toby Elliott, we're very familiar with the tiny home and the RV scenario. And it doesn't mean

[1:14:52] Voice 13: that they're exclusive of each other. It means that there is a possibility to look at alternative

[1:14:58] Voice 13: housing that needs to be innovative. And since people are doing it already, perhaps it's the time

[1:15:05] Voice 13: to start looking at this option. The other thing that I think I could really mention about an RV

[1:15:12] Voice 13: project or an urban development would be a it takes six to eight months to produce not three years

[1:15:21] Voice 13: it's not a built you don't have to look at all the requirements of the built housing

[1:15:29] Voice 13: it will also if supported it will also get funding from the federal government they have new modular

[1:15:36] Voice 13: housing funding available they have a lot of possibility where there is grants available so

[1:15:45] Voice 13: the funding would be there to help so there's a whole bunch of different possibilities that are

[1:15:51] Voice 13: open um so again we're just suggesting that there they are they are not the optimum

[1:16:00] Voice 13: form of housing but they can be a very good solution to people who are looking for housing

[1:16:10] Voice 13: and um again if you you know you're talking about it before we're talking about public forums

[1:16:16] Voice 13: and things we can really sit down with all of you and talk through the whole report

[1:16:22] Voice 13: and answer a lot of questions um we presented atc they had some questions rob responded to

[1:16:30] Voice 13: the big issue of the fire department so there is there is certainly um an area here for further

[1:16:38] Voice 13: discussion and um i think the report the detailed report which i've presented to and spoken to people

[1:16:46] Voice 13: who are in housing in ontario as well um and really put forward probably um one of the

[1:16:57] Voice 13: solutions that you could have on the drive thank you very much thank you please

[1:17:02] Voice 8: i mean i think this

[1:17:06] Voice 8: is something that we have been in conversation

[1:17:09] Voice 7: already for the last year and a half or so um

[1:17:16] Voice 7: there's a few challenges from just from a land use planning government right like

[1:17:23] Voice 7: it who's going to take responsibility for it and that is with

[1:17:27] Voice 7: the like any kind

[1:17:28] Voice 7: of multi-unit

[1:17:29] Voice 7: development that we do on pender like any of them doesn't matter if it's a stick brain

[1:17:36] Voice 7: uh building um as far as the trust is concerned that's not our jurisdiction it's not our

[1:17:45] Voice 7: jurisdiction even to to police whether the fire department is checking on people's

[1:17:54] Voice 7: smoke detectors or not you know like that's not what we get involved in so other than the water

[1:17:59] Voice 7: and the sewer really and the zoning to use the land for that kind of a development it really

[1:18:06] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: has

[1:18:06] Voice 7: to be taken up and that's the challenge with tiny house on wheels it has to be taken up with

[1:18:11] Voice 7: the regional districts as well and it's that's the stupid overlapping thing that goes on with

[1:18:19] Voice 7: a sort of a boutique government in in essence um for the gulf islands and so i think we can we can

[1:18:29] Voice 7: definitely be supportive of it and and the zoning for something like that to happen but it really

[1:18:36] Voice 7: takes the community involvement getting getting some sort of a society put together or some way of

[1:18:45] Voice 7: of an oversight committee that is going to make sure that we don't end up with a trailer park

[1:18:54] Voice 7: situation that's akin to derelict vessels out in in Browning Harbour right now for once like I just

[1:19:02] Voice 7: went out on my dad's boat the other day for the first time in a couple of years and was shocked

[1:19:07] Voice 7: I used to run Port Browning and I would see how many boats were out there after the season was

[1:19:13] Voice 7: was over you know and there's probably three times as many boats sitting out of the bay now

[1:19:19] Voice 7: that the season is over than there ever has been and those are ending up two or three of them on

[1:19:23] Voice 7: the beach every winter now

[1:19:24] Voice 7: branding up and it's because they're it's cheaper to give a friend a

[1:19:29] Voice 7: boat and hopefully not cheaper to give a friend a trailer to live in than it is for them to dispose

[1:19:36] Voice 7: of the trailer or the boat because it's not viable for somebody to be living in it and that's it's a

[1:19:43] Voice 7: big issue on an island like this where everything that comes on it's trucked on it's trucked off

[1:19:50] Voice 7: we have to be cautious of that if

[1:19:57] Voice 4: i could answer that because it's a real concern we're very aware

[1:20:01] Voice 4: of sure what we proposed in the report that would be affordable housing run by a non-profit society

[1:20:07] Voice 4: society as they're done all throughout BC. And so with funding, there's a huge amount of control

[1:20:15] Voice 4: on that to make sure. And what we would support would be regulations. Any RV that's going to come

[1:20:22] Voice 4: in has to meet certain standards on entry and may take, because for all the reasons you said,

[1:20:29] Voice 4: so that way the operator, which would be a local charity society, would be responsible and would

[1:20:37] Voice 4: to deal with that and and there are mechanisms to make sure that happens so like that would

[1:20:44] Voice 4: and that's a lot of the issues that you're bringing up we've dealt with in the report

[1:20:50] Voice 4: because we've been through it and we're suggesting we have answers to all the legitimate concerns

[1:21:03] as as uh robert maybe said the abc has

[1:21:06] Voice 8: looked at this document and reviewed it and applaud

[1:21:09] Voice 8: applaud them for doing this. I mean, it was a lot of work. It is a lot of work, and they're

[1:21:15] Voice 8: passionate about it, and they're trying to address a critical issue. And so we really

[1:21:20] Voice 8: think it's important.

[1:21:22] Voice 8: When we were starting, we heard about what was going on in Nanaimo, and the conference

[1:21:30] Voice 8: that they had held up there, got in touch with Toby Elliott, and she said to separate

[1:21:40] we've got tiny homes on

[1:21:41] Voice 8: wheels for RVs because there was an initiative that she was meeting

[1:21:46] Voice 8: or part of to try to get regulations and approval and the way they did that as I understand

[1:21:54] they got the builders together the regional district everybody involved to try to

[1:22:02] to find a pathway

[1:22:03] Voice 8: to make it an approvable residue.

[1:22:08] And I think we're following that closely, APC,

[1:22:13] and hoping that the same has to go.

[1:22:19] If you want to try it with RVs, it's

[1:22:23] not the local trust committee that's going to approve it.

[1:22:25] It's got to be all those people who

[1:22:28] to make them uh you know inspect them and approve them including the capital region district uh

[1:22:34] give a blessing then the local trust can look at that so where

[1:22:41] Voice 8: could such a thing happen

[1:22:43] Voice 8: so i think it's what the work you're doing is valuable but it might get ready for a year

[1:22:50] Voice 20: yeah and i think one of the things that you're flagging here is the difference between

[1:22:54] Voice 20: and I can't remember but like it's the difference between like a mobile home certified like it's a

[1:23:00] Voice 20: certification difference between like four season living and I don't know what the other one's

[1:23:06] Voice 20: called but but um and I think some RVs may qualify for that kind of higher level thing

[1:23:14] Voice 20: then they would fit in that tiny home kind of bucket within the

[1:23:18] Voice 20: tiny home bucket as far as I

[1:23:19] Voice 20: understand it's going after that certification component it allows for not just fire it's not

[1:23:25] Voice 20: just fire it's about gold it's about fire um and security in that way and so i totally hear all of

[1:23:34] Voice 20: the like ways that this has been addressed in different pieces and the non-profit or um you

[1:23:41] Voice 20: know local agency to be able to monitor and work with fire chief and all that those are all like

[1:23:45] Voice 20: critical pieces that i feel like we have worked through since we originally talked about this

[1:23:49] Voice 20: problem so i feel like we're getting really close to this being a viable thing so i don't want you

[1:23:54] Voice 20: to be like this is not like support for this because obviously we understand there's a housing

[1:23:58] Voice 20: crisis here that's not a debatable item so the question is like as sort of regulators in this

[1:24:07] Voice 20: role like are like the argument kind of to what you're saying there the argument for like it's

[1:24:15] Voice 20: happening anyway so we should regulate it isn't an argument we can take because you know it's

[1:24:21] Voice 20: happening already in browning harbor but like there was a fire last year where and like we

[1:24:29] Voice 20: there's a certain liability too for us as government to say it's okay to limit substandard

[1:24:34] Voice 20: housing so we want to kind of force the issue with the province we want to force the issue

[1:24:38] Voice 20: with seer to create non-substandard housing so change the regulations for our needs to be

[1:24:43] Voice 20: know so that there are forces to do whatever we need to do to make those things happen so that

[1:24:48] Voice 20: then we can like get on board and do the rest of it so back to

[1:24:51] Voice 5: just speaking for the abc what we

[1:24:55] Voice 5: say is not at this time but advocate for those standards for both for sure tiny homes and i

[1:25:03] Voice 5: think they're getting very close in the nine that it's the crd pushing the crd to develop them and

[1:25:10] Voice 5: And with RVs, they're not as close.

[1:25:12] Voice 5: But I did want to say about the fire issue,

[1:25:16] Voice 5: I don't know if you're aware of a fire in Magic Lake last month

[1:25:20] Voice 5: where an RV was burned right down to the shelf.

[1:25:24] Voice 5: I'll send you the pictures.

[1:25:25] Voice 5: I mean, it's a huge risk.

[1:25:27] Voice 5: And the fire chief is incredibly concerned about the safety issue

[1:25:32] Voice 5: associated with the current use of RVs that don't leave the standard.

[1:25:37] Voice 5: so it's not that we don't think it could work but it's unfortunately our assessment and looking at

[1:25:49] Voice 5: everything and talking to fire chief it's not there yet and yeah

[1:25:54] Voice 6: just

[1:25:55] Voice 5: to sort of

[1:25:56] Voice 6: follow up on

[1:25:56] Voice 6: this i think that obviously there's been a lot of discussion i certainly would applaud the work i

[1:26:00] Voice 6: don't know if that's the solution but you know the biggest concern that you know we have is a couple

[1:26:05] Voice 6: you know in our time of the five years we've been visiting and all our plans to eventually

[1:26:10] Voice 6: be located here is is there going to be a viable community here right and every day and

[1:26:17] Voice 6: part of my question around the the goals of the policy statement earlier um was in reflection of

[1:26:23] Voice 6: this the notion i think that many have and i include myself in this is that trust does take

[1:26:29] Voice 6: environmental protection as a goal more seriously rank it higher than affordable

[1:26:36] Voice 6: living which is a goal of the LTC and of the trust right and that leaves you in a

[1:26:42] Voice 6: situation where I look like Pender is now right where you do have unsafe

[1:26:46] Voice 6: housing because people want to live here right so I guess my only comment to that

[1:26:50] Voice 6: is obviously you recognize there's a crisis you said that I applaud the work

[1:26:53] Voice 6: that's going on I think that there's a staff report coming you know later in the

[1:26:56] Voice 6: presentation i'm keen to hear from brad um on other solutions you know longer term you know

[1:27:02] Voice 6: because we are heavily regulated they're not things like dpas and housing they are not

[1:27:06] Voice 6: disconnected from each other right and it has to be holistic when you look at this and what's more

[1:27:10] Voice 6: important at the end of the day and as a trust committee certainly hear the point of the crd

[1:27:17] Voice 6: you know they run the building codes they all of that lands with them but what the trust can do

[1:27:22] Voice 6: is as you said advocate for change you can put zoning in place that allows for those things to

[1:27:28] Voice 6: be built doesn't mean you have to manage them you can say yes you can zone for rbs or tiny houses

[1:27:33] Voice 6: whatever it is doesn't mean that crd is off the hook they will be the ones that tell you this is

[1:27:37] Voice 6: standard right so i would i would not want to hear our local trust committee relying on that

[1:27:44] Voice 6: to say well we're not going to make zoning changes because we're going to be liable i would i would

[1:27:49] Voice 6: ask the trust be very supportive of these housing whatever options they are to try and solve this

[1:27:54] Voice 6: crisis on the island that means that we have a vibrant community now and through 2050 you know

[1:27:59] Voice 6: and beyond part of the problem and i

[1:28:02] Voice 7: 100 agree uh we don't uh pender doesn't pender doesn't have land

[1:28:11] Voice 7: anyway no we have the ability to zone in such that it can but then you have to have somebody that

[1:28:17] Voice 7: that wants to have their land rezoned.

[1:28:20] Voice 7: Either that or we just start rezoning

[1:28:21] Voice 6: people's properties.

[1:28:23] Voice 6: No, no, that's it.

[1:28:23] Voice 6: And we can talk afterward,

[1:28:24] Voice 6: but even a lot of them like us that has an acre and a half,

[1:28:28] Voice 6: right?

[1:28:28] Voice 6: I can't build a secondary suite on my .

[1:28:31] Voice 6: No, I can't have, I can't.

[1:28:34] Voice 6: We can go into it afterward.

[1:28:35] Voice 6: It's kind of strange.

[1:28:37] Voice 6: The point is, is that I guess I'm just saying

[1:28:40] Voice 6: that they're not disconnected.

[1:28:41] Voice 6: I would hope the trustees would be supportive

[1:28:43] Voice 6: of future housing initiatives on the island.

[1:28:48] Voice 6: it's a complicated thing because one of the things that

[1:28:51] Voice 14: is um but you can't identify

[1:28:53] Voice 14: is this kind of trickle-down effect where you know when something becomes

[1:28:58] Voice 14: kind of unviable in the way of either a voter or an rv or a living circumstance

[1:29:04] Voice 14: disposal is so costly and there's so many barriers because of senior government regulations

[1:29:10] It gets passed on to somebody as maybe

[1:29:14] Voice 14: an inappropriate use, but it's because, you know,

[1:29:18] Voice 14: like we had neighbors on our main island, they just want an RV, it cost them $5,000.

[1:29:24] Voice 14: When another person with a boat, it cost them $15,000.

[1:29:28] Voice 14: So that's why, as Trustee Campbell said, you know, some of this stuff gets shifted aside

[1:29:33] side. And it becomes inappropriate living environments, which then taints the appropriate

[1:29:40] living environment because people just go, oh, those RVs. Part of the thing that we need

[1:29:47] Voice 14: to deal with, I always trust, is with senior government, is this end-of-life situation

[1:29:52] Voice 14: where, you know, the senior levels of government or our partners with CRD have put up these

[1:29:58] barriers financially.

[1:30:00] to to proper disposal that if these things are being used inappropriately so we need to circle

[1:30:07] Voice 14: back uh to to initiatives such as mr fendley's where you know we embrace the appropriate stuff

[1:30:15] Voice 14: but somehow we just we discourage the inappropriate stuff so that we do have proper

[1:30:20] Voice 14: viable communities they we have circumstances on salisbury island they have trustee patrick

[1:30:27] Voice 14: it says over 1200 people on an island are living in RVs and she suggests more than half of them

[1:30:35] Voice 14: are inappropriately housed in RVs yeah so it's it is a bigger problem but we really appreciate

[1:30:42] Voice 14: the input um there's good stuff there so I don't think anything further we're happy

[1:30:53] Voice 20: So I do want to stress that part of the housing, which we're going to talk about housing next,

[1:31:00] Voice 20: so part of the housing initiative that we launched three years ago was really to start

[1:31:09] Voice 20: to get at what really is the problem here on Pender, not possibly, but what are really

[1:31:14] Voice 20: like what is the unhoused, what are the parts of how marginalized situations going on here,

[1:31:20] Voice 20: and then trying to figure out how to address that specifically that works with what the

[1:31:26] Voice 20: LCP is on the side. One of the things that I've seen, I didn't see it this year because I didn't

[1:31:34] Voice 20: intend to see it, but I've had it in conversation with Daniel and other folks that I know in

[1:31:39] Voice 20: local government in the coastal regions is that rural areas are really being overlooked in many

[1:31:48] Voice 20: ways with the provincial housing efforts in the way that funding is moving and the so because

[1:31:55] Voice 20: they're working on the numbers problem right so they're trying to get the maximum number of people

[1:31:59] Voice 20: housed well that doesn't solve our problem right and so trying to figure out how to get affordable

[1:32:06] Voice 20: housing throughout the islands that isn't necessarily a tower or an inappropriate kind

[1:32:10] Voice 20: of application of housing into this space has been a real challenge so you know we continue to

[1:32:17] Voice 20: work on that in a thousand different directions with different people across the island's trust

[1:32:21] Voice 20: area and close to region but just to know that that's also a dilemma that we're having when we

[1:32:26] Voice 20: province is that the province is not really funding very much effort into affordable houses

[1:32:33] Voice 20: specifically in rural funds so not to say that there isn't money there somewhere it's which is

[1:32:41] Voice 20: yeah i'm

[1:32:46] Voice 4: just listening to your comments which is uh very helpful for us um it's chicken and egg

[1:32:54] Voice 4: because we really understand the crd has to be involved and also provincial level of funding

[1:33:00] Voice 4: A couple of things on that is that the proposal we're making is extremely affordable, okay,

[1:33:09] Voice 4: and that's part of the reason to deal with the need for affordable housing and mechanisms

[1:33:16] Voice 4: to deliver it.

[1:33:18] Voice 4: The other thing we need is for the trust and CRE to work together, and I hear your concerns.

[1:33:25] Voice 4: I'm wondering, I'm just coming off the top of my head, whether we can get some sort of

[1:33:29] Voice 4: commentary letter to Paul Brandt, CRD, that we have a piece of property that we're looking at

[1:33:39] Voice 4: that we think would satisfy all these concerns. And I'd like to be able to present it to staff

[1:33:49] Voice 4: and say, look, here's a possibility. We'll have to go through all the rezoning. We'll have to

[1:33:54] Voice 4: get crd approval and financing gotta start somewhere and what we're asking for yourselves

[1:34:01] Voice 4: because you're totally local um is support that you would work with us and crd and others to see

[1:34:10] Voice 4: if it's viable without you know without committing yourself but so that we can lever that and go to

[1:34:16] Voice 4: paul brent and as you know i know quite well at the crd say okay here's the property the trust

[1:34:23] Voice 4: is willing to look at it so they can't sit crd can't say well the trust won't do it we're not

[1:34:29] Voice 4: saying the trust will but they'll look at it let's let's get the ball rolling and see if we can do

[1:34:33] Voice 4: something then a lot more possible uh i've got my car court making some blogging efforts with the

[1:34:40] Voice 4: province to get funding everybody's looking for everybody so we need to start locally with

[1:34:46] Voice 4: yourselves so that's what i i would ask that you do something provide us a letter or commentary

[1:34:53] Voice 4: that we can use that to work it's going it's

[1:34:57] Voice 20: just we have that conversation about housing next and

[1:35:00] Voice 20: then go back to that question may i suggest

[1:35:03] Voice 19: let's take a couple minutes yeah okay

[1:35:06] Voice 14: take a five minute

[1:35:07] Voice 14: break yes okay so we'll just take a five minute break

[1:35:10] Voice 19: hey

[1:41:26] Voice 3: we're coming back i think we're good

[1:41:33] Voice 12: all

[1:41:34] Voice 14: right we are returning after our break um so we have readjusted the uh agenda

[1:41:42] Voice 14: uh for the ictc housing so how do we want to structure this

[1:41:55] Voice 8: all

[1:41:56] Voice 9: right thank you i just have a brief staff report here bringing you an update of the work

[1:42:00] Voice 9: on your housing access and affordability projects. Lots of progress continues to be made. A couple

[1:42:08] Voice 9: of recommendations there. Staff is seeking permission to begin preparing draft land use

[1:42:13] Voice 9: and pushing community plan by-laws. By having those in hand, we can then start to populate

[1:42:19] Voice 9: some of the lower hanging fruits with some of the more obvious amendments to start at least

[1:42:22] Voice 9: advancing some of those by-laws forward. It's always easier to get their head on things with

[1:42:28] Voice 9: structure and there's a bunch of updates that are proposed to the project charter just recognizing

[1:42:34] Voice 9: that probably timelines have stretched a little bit. So since last meeting in July the suitable

[1:42:42] Voice 9: land analysis work is underway at the regional planning level. The goal is to have draft maps

[1:42:48] Voice 9: to you by the end of this regular meeting. Build-out analysis is also underway and hoping

[1:42:54] Voice 9: to have some preliminary mapping and data to present at your October 24th CIM.

[1:42:59] Voice 9: Islandwide mail is here. It looks really short but unfortunately we have a Canada post strike

[1:43:05] Voice 9: limiting our ability to get into mailboxes but we're hoping that ends soon

[1:43:11] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and there is

[1:43:12] Voice 9: advertising for the October 25th CIM so it would be really nice to have that. Staff looked at Plan

[1:43:19] Voice 9: plan B of using like a PC mail in-house government service, but they're on strike, so that's

[1:43:24] Voice 3: not an option.

[1:43:25] Voice 9: And so what I'm considering is maybe a meeting is with you, Aaron.

[1:43:35] Voice 9: I can just start dropping.

[1:43:40] Voice 9: If you can take the box and then if the mail office opens, you can drop them. We can talk

[1:43:45] Voice 9: about that later on but I think other than the getting them to people I think

[1:43:49] Voice 9: where we've gone on there. Plan C if we I assume we will need another CIM at some point

[1:43:56] Voice 9: in the spring is that if we can't get these in post offices we can hang on to them and put a

[1:44:02] Voice 9: sticker over the CIM updated and every information everything else would still use it that way.

[1:44:09] Voice 9: perhaps at an early spring CIM where you're presenting draft by lawsuit. So that's plan C.

[1:44:19] Voice 21: Maybe we could also hand some out to the...

[1:44:22] Voice 9: And then absolutely, yeah, there's a couple extra hundred. I'm going to go to the CRD office in the library in time, by the time today.

[1:44:36] Voice 9: I'm meeting with the SAO next week to talk about the project that's there with the Primary

[1:44:42] Voice 9: Nation that has interest on Henders.

[1:44:45] Voice 9: I'm meeting with their housing department, I'm kind of holding off on sending that letter

[1:44:48] Voice 9: until I meet with them, just to kind of courtesy Peter and I are working with the Anglican

[1:44:56] Voice 9: church uh representatives talking about potentially someone here subdividing a portion of land here

[1:45:03] Voice 9: lots of work to do there but that's a signing proposition um i think it'll pass it over to

[1:45:11] peter here in a second just to speak to their report briefly abc continues to do lots of

[1:45:15] great work and

[1:45:16] Voice 9: then preliminary recommendations reports here and uh

[1:45:20] Voice 9: yeah i think that's it right

[1:45:22] Voice 9: well maybe just pass over to peter just to briefly summarize the work that they've been doing

[1:45:37] Voice 8: Okay, so we have been meeting regularly often and there's two other members of the APC here,

[1:45:43] Voice 8: Joyce and Eric, and they'll type in if I miss something. So we've been meeting pretty regularly

[1:45:49] Voice 8: early and learning a lot. So we've been reading documents.

[1:45:53] We were referred the number

[1:45:56] Voice 8: of the action items on the housing

[1:45:59] Voice 8: plan to recommend draft language changes that would be

[1:46:06] Voice 8: necessary if those action items were to be accurate. So we've

[1:46:11] Voice 8: been reading all the housing, the OCP related housing, trust

[1:46:18] trust object related to housing and policy statements that we've been educating ourselves

[1:46:26] a lot and we've then used that to come up with some draft recommendations they're very

[1:46:35] much in draft because we haven't all got together to say these

[1:46:42] Voice 8: are the final ones we have meetings

[1:46:44] Voice 8: plan and also a big problem is that any specificity in these recommendations are dependent on

[1:46:51] Voice 8: the suitable land analysis and the build-out analysis. So we're keeping our recommendations

[1:46:59] Voice 8: general until those are available. So I just want to remind people that our meetings are

[1:47:09] Voice 8: Our role is in the public, and our next meeting is October 8th.

[1:47:13] It takes place right here at 9.30 in the morning.

[1:47:16] Anybody's welcome to come, maybe, and Rob have come and presented.

[1:47:25] Voice 8: And so the preliminary recommendations are in this package,

[1:47:31] Voice 8: and we're open to any questions that you have.

[1:47:35] Voice 8: But is there anything else?

[1:47:44] Voice 5: when it comes to the recommendations we we are very aware that there are issues and we've tried

[1:47:51] Voice 5: to address what possibly could be done to address them and it's a balancing we're not favoring the

[1:47:59] Voice 5: environment or housing we're recognizing sort of the balance that needs to be struck but we are

[1:48:07] Voice 5: are trying to come up with options that would allow for more affordable housing on pender and

[1:48:14] Voice 5: it's with that thought that we've been going forward just to talk to that chair so

[1:48:22] Voice 9: uh in terms of just timing and next steps so uh this is just really a

[1:48:27] Voice 9: kind of an update

[1:48:28] Voice 9: and uh overview of their recommendations uh the october 25th ciam they have time on that agenda

[1:48:34] Voice 9: but they'll speak more robustly to their ideas and allow the community to provide their input

[1:48:41] Voice 9: and ask questions. That will help to further inform their recommendations and staff's perspectives and

[1:48:47] Voice 9: the intent would be that the November 21st meeting to bring out a much more robust staff report for

[1:48:53] Voice 9: actual staff analysis of their recommendations.

[1:49:06] Voice 9: And with also seeking direction probably that meaning to refer again to the APC to kind

[1:49:14] Voice 9: of consider this referral closed with their final report presented in November and then

[1:49:19] Voice 9: re-referring them again asking them to do further analysis of the recommendations based

[1:49:24] Voice 9: based on the app could work with planning staff and LTC in the new year to continue

[1:49:31] Voice 9: to hone where, for example, higher density residential uses being appropriate. Flexible

[1:49:39] Voice 9: accessory drilling using Sony. Looking at that app is pretty robust for what's being

[1:50:01] Voice 20: So for the October community information meeting, what is the sort of content of that based

[1:50:11] Voice 20: on the fact that we're kind of between like a bylaw, a draft bylaw in full force and recommendations?

[1:50:19] Voice 20: So my

[1:50:20] Voice 9: intent would be to present it as, like, here is the work that's been done to date,

[1:50:26] Voice 9: here's the housing action plan, because ideally we would get this out and at least we could

[1:50:29] Voice 9: show due diligence that you can't see how it would be performed, at least, right?

[1:50:33] Voice 9: There's still 10 people there, then that is what it is.

[1:50:37] Voice 9: So lots of people wouldn't have seen the action plan.

[1:50:40] Voice 9: So it's expensive time walking through that, but giving the ABC time to actually present

[1:50:44] Voice 9: the recommendations would be full-sum pay.

[1:50:48] Voice 9: so that's how I would see it as kind of presenting the work today and the work of the of the APC

[1:50:52] Voice 9: seeking initial feedback from the community around is living in RVs appropriate or not

[1:51:00] Voice 9: there's some recommendations that are that are more obvious and then they've also recommended

[1:51:06] Voice 9: meant to stop working. So discussion. And I think your

[1:51:14] Voice 9: action plan for all of these items is, is worded around

[1:51:18] Voice 9: exploring. So exploring something to an end and

[1:51:23] Voice 9: identifying that you're going to stop working on that for now is

[1:51:26] Voice 9: I see complete action, where some of the actions are out, I

[1:51:31] Voice 9: think, for example, flexible zoning for it seems likely,

[1:51:37] Voice 3: that you're going to

[1:51:37] Voice 9: head down the road of creating some more flexibility than just having

[1:51:41] Voice 9: a house on your lot if you want to instead have a house and two cottages with a smaller limited

[1:51:50] Voice 9: footprint

[1:51:50] Voice 12: so the

[1:51:55] Voice 9: first hour would be like i would see just an open room and i'll bring whatever

[1:52:01] Voice 9: mapping we have and you know the actual plan items blown up on the walls those kinds of things

[1:52:06] Voice 9: it'll just be an opportunity to have one-on-one conversations with your constituents and for

[1:52:12] Voice 9: them to do that with staff as well and then a one-clock kicking off presentation and then

[1:52:19] Voice 9: you know depending on how many people are there whether it's just around people like we've had

[1:52:24] Voice 9: in those other meetings or it's something that actually gets more data without really

[1:52:30] Voice 9: we had some participation and

[1:52:32] Voice 20: then i also had a question just for the abc if that's okay um i on

[1:52:38] Voice 20: number 18 around the stvrs you know one of the recommendations at the moment is that um could

[1:52:46] Voice 20: we not opt into bill 35 i would love to hear a little bit more about the computing around that

[1:52:51] Voice 20: because i know that there is mixed feelings in the community about that

[1:52:57] Voice 8: and that was quite a while

[1:52:59] Voice 8: Well, if we discuss that, first of all, the ones that it affects on the Fendryler Q, right,

[1:53:10] Voice 8: is when you have an STVR and you don't live on the process. And there was only 10 of those

[1:53:16] Voice 8: offsets. So the impacts of changing it wasn't that big. And then a number of people brought

[1:53:22] Voice 8: up loss of control. I think that was the other, right? So that's why we're ready, right? Better

[1:53:33] memory than i had that's why i remember

[1:53:34] Voice 8: recommended to letting existing tpr run out uh 10 so that

[1:53:40] people are not going to lose a source of income

[1:53:43] Voice 8: short term but they can see that it might so i

[1:53:48] Voice 8: think that was yeah that's what it says here

[1:53:51] Voice 8: choice

[1:53:52] Voice 21: we

[1:53:53] Voice 5: said to look at galliano who had to

[1:53:56] Voice 5: opt into him to see how that

[1:53:58] Voice 5: works that's right okay

[1:54:00] Voice 14: for clarification i think it's just gabriel

[1:54:06] Voice 5: through

[1:54:07] Voice 9: the chair to add to that another key difference between or if you opted in uh the

[1:54:13] Voice 9: provincial legislation requires that to uh operate this to go or it's your primary residence

[1:54:20] Voice 9: so it would limit the ability of someone who owns a property to have an operator running a home

[1:54:26] Voice 9: occupation if for example you had a property with a dwelling at thought right now you could

[1:54:32] Voice 9: have that cottage rented out to a tenant and that tenant could be your on-site operator in a sense

[1:54:38] Voice 9: of your short-term vacation rental through your occupation regulation with provincial regulation

[1:54:44] Voice 9: you would not be able to do that so the only people that could operate home occupation would be

[1:54:53] Voice 9: but then there'd probably be a pretty small number of those but and there are some other

[1:55:02] Voice 9: impacts to your home

[1:55:03] Voice 9: occupation.

[1:55:05] Voice 9: For

[1:55:06] Voice 14: the trustees,

[1:55:07] Voice 14: it is very successful in getting

[1:55:09] Voice 14: province

[1:55:12] Voice 14: to come to our December Trust Council.

[1:55:14] Voice 14: And so the person

[1:55:16] Voice 14: who's in charge of that bill is going

[1:55:18] Voice 14: to be giving a presentation at Trust Council.

[1:55:20] Voice 14: So it'll allow

[1:55:22] Voice 14: trustees and perhaps staff

[1:55:24] Voice 14: to actually ask

[1:55:25] Voice 14: the master what it is

[1:55:28] Voice 14: or what it isn't.

[1:55:29] Voice 14: because they often opt out

[1:55:31] Voice 14: March 31st so we wanted to do that

[1:55:33] Voice 14: well in advance

[1:55:35] Voice 14: so I also was considering

[1:55:37] Voice 14: it. I actually get some really good

[1:55:39] Voice 14: solid answers to decide

[1:55:41] Voice 14: and discuss with their community prior to the deadlines.

[1:55:44] Voice 20: It's just it's an interesting

[1:55:45] Voice 20: area because we get pressed quite often

[1:55:47] Voice 20: for staying in our lane

[1:55:49] Voice 20: like as the Abbots Trust right

[1:55:51] Voice 20: and so if the province

[1:55:53] Voice 20: opens a lane where STBRs are

[1:55:55] Voice 20: their jurisdiction or they are managing

[1:55:57] Voice 20: managing them and there's a question of why we're tolerating prevention and forcing space so it's a

[1:56:03] Voice 20: little bit of one of those clear vines of like okay everybody wants local control but they also

[1:56:08] Voice 20: want us to stay in their lane so like which one is that in this case and it's a little bit busy

[1:56:13] Voice 14: it is and that's exactly where we wanted to get the two trust Council so that you know everybody

[1:56:19] Voice 14: gets on the same sort of knowledge level because dealing with this individually has been very

[1:56:24] Voice 14: confusing thank you

[1:56:27] Voice 14: mr yeah

[1:56:28] Voice 4: i was just uh listening to um the apc's presentation and

[1:56:33] Voice 4: amy and i would support doing protagonist work we disagree on a couple of things but overall

[1:56:39] Voice 4: they're doing great work um one of the things i wasn't sure and this is sort of where my

[1:56:46] Voice 4: background is coming in they can make a number of recommendations they need to be costed and then

[1:56:53] then work out what the

[1:56:55] Voice 4: affordability would be.

[1:56:57] Voice 4: Because you can have all sorts of wonderful recommendations,

[1:57:00] Voice 4: but if they aren't financially feasible from an affordable basis

[1:57:04] for what you're trying to do,

[1:57:09] then I'd suggest that it's not so useful.

[1:57:14] But that's a bunch of

[1:57:15] Voice 4: additional work,

[1:57:16] Voice 4: and I don't know whether they're contemplating that.

[1:57:19] Voice 4: I haven't had a chance to speak to them,

[1:57:20] Voice 4: but it just occurs to me in discussing this

[1:57:22] Voice 4: that if the idea is before provide affordable housing define affordable and what you're doing

[1:57:31] cost it out and will it be affordable and and so i think that's a critical thing that's the

[1:57:36] whole basis we put on the

[1:57:38] Voice 4: rv thing that may get affordable welcome some builders that's right yes

[1:57:46] Voice 9: the projects intended to look at all types of housing not just affordable housing and

[1:57:53] Voice 9: I think that one of the goals of the LTC is to provide, at least within the scope of their

[1:58:01] Voice 9: jurisdiction, which is around land use and zoning, what can we do within that space to

[1:58:08] Voice 9: create more options for flexibility for all types of options to occur while recognizing

[1:58:14] Voice 9: the limits and issues around some of those options.

[1:58:20] Voice 5: just we do intend to work with builders you know and talk to them i've had something about people

[1:58:28] Voice 5: who are interested in the idea

[1:58:31] Voice 5: of building smaller and more sustainable housing and making it viable

[1:58:36] Voice 5: so it's it's not our mandate but we certainly are going to be looking to work with these people if

[1:58:44] Voice 5: we can or get there anybody

[1:58:48] Voice 14: else well thank you very much for the like you have a couple

[1:58:53] Voice 14: resolutions that we really appreciate all the work that you guys have done because it's

[1:59:00] it's really critically important but you guys

[1:59:03] Voice 14: are doing a deep dive which is

[1:59:06] Voice 14: probably odd thank you all right so a couple of motions before us um

[1:59:15] Voice 21: I think someone's on page

[1:59:16] Voice 10: 174 I'm

[1:59:22] Voice 21: good to go ahead so

[1:59:26] Voice 20: that the north pender island local

[1:59:28] Voice 20: trust committee directs staff to prepare draft land use official community plan bylaws for

[1:59:32] Voice 20: the housing access and affordability project

[1:59:34] Voice 14: for the discussion call the question all in

[1:59:39] Voice 14: favor that carries that

[1:59:42] Voice 20: the north pender island local trust committee sorry it's hard to read

[1:59:46] Voice 20: um direct staff to update the housing access and affordability project charter during my

[1:59:52] Voice 20: new timelines and other updates as presented in the october 3rd 2025 staff

[2:00:00] Voice 14: Is that a good discussion?

[2:00:01] Voice 14: Call the question.

[2:00:03] Voice 14: All in favor?

[2:00:03] Voice 14: In fact, curious.

[2:00:06] Voice 21: And thanks again for all the work on this on our staff.

[2:00:09] Voice 21: And I think it's really helpful.

[2:00:13] Voice 4: I have one other thought that's crossed my mind with this discussion.

[2:00:18] Voice 4: We've been looking at a piece of property where we think we fit the bill for affordability.

[2:00:26] and I think

[2:00:30] Voice 4: we'd be in a position to put a tentative offer on so we have something real to

[2:00:36] Voice 4: present now it wouldn't have million subjects but I'm looking for a bit of response from

[2:00:44] Voice 16: the

[2:00:44] Voice 4: trustees then you've got something lying on the table virtually and see staff and

[2:00:54] Voice 4: and then have something to leave her to go to the CRD.

[2:00:58] Voice 4: It just occurred to me,

[2:00:59] Voice 4: we're trying to push this forward

[2:01:01] Voice 4: to try and get some action.

[2:01:03] Voice 4: So does that seem to make some sense to yourselves?

[2:01:07] Voice 4: I think we

[2:01:10] Voice 7: were sort of talking,

[2:01:12] Voice 7: like that is kind of what triggered the whole process.

[2:01:18] Voice 7: Our discussion a year and a half ago about finding land

[2:01:23] Voice 7: it was why we went down the road of doing a suitable land analysis um so that's where this

[2:01:30] Voice 7: whole project is headed but i think it i don't think it changed it would change where we're

[2:01:40] Voice 7: headed in any way it more becomes a situation like like grad is referencing what he and peter

[2:01:48] Voice 7: talking to the angle in church about the piece of property next next door you know if if there

[2:01:54] Voice 7: is a group that is gets there before we do uh in in wanting to assess a piece of property

[2:02:04] Voice 7: i mean we're 100 open to to having a look at how that how this can be done

[2:02:13] Voice 7: Okay. Yeah, it's not a matter of there being no willingness. There was nothing specific to start with. So when we started looking in, and that's what that's the work that Brad has done, and the other planner have worked through is what land on

[2:02:34] Voice 7: Pender looks viable.

[2:02:37] Voice 7: we don't know if it's a possibility or not but at least that land could be zoned to be used if

[2:02:43] Voice 7: somebody decides that they want to use it if there's a specific piece of property that you think

[2:02:49] Voice 7: fits the bill and that can i think that would

[2:02:52] Voice 20: be nice yeah i would suggest like having because

[2:02:56] Voice 20: um brad has like the most sort of eggs in the basket around the full picture right now of like

[2:03:02] Voice 20: what's land security all those pieces look like so like what you're talking about sounds to me

[2:03:07] Voice 20: like a rezoning application if it's coming before what we're doing we are also thinking about

[2:03:13] Voice 20: rezoning land as part of this project so that we can get ahead of future issues related to this

[2:03:17] Voice 20: chicken and egg problem that we're talking about right that's why we're doing this housing

[2:03:21] Voice 20: like project is to actually have land zone appropriately where we think it's good for

[2:03:27] Voice 20: the variety of reasons we're juggling.

[2:03:29] Voice 20: So if you're coming forward with an application

[2:03:31] Voice 20: in advance of what we would do,

[2:03:33] Voice 20: I would just highly recommend

[2:03:35] Voice 20: coordinating with Brad

[2:03:37] Voice 20: about what information he has to see if it

[2:03:39] Voice 20: fits that criteria that we're

[2:03:41] Voice 20: sort of honing in on.

[2:03:43] Voice 20: And then, you know, have one-on-one

[2:03:45] Voice 20: conversations with us because

[2:03:46] Voice 20: we can't give you 100% without seeing

[2:03:49] Voice 20: an application. But if you have one-on-one

[2:03:51] Voice 20: conversations with us, we can give you

[2:03:53] Voice 20: our understanding of where we're sitting

[2:03:55] Voice 20: with the information we have.

[2:03:56] Voice 21: okay that's excellent

[2:03:58] Voice 7: we also only have one here

[2:04:03] Voice 7: i'm

[2:04:03] Voice 20: trying to get these questions the whole thing about how

[2:04:06] Voice 7: neither one of us wants to leave anything like major

[2:04:12] Voice 7: how to be either for somebody else to have to make a decision we'll push it quickly yeah

[2:04:18] Voice 12: um i just want to ask what's the time for the october 25th meeting because i

[2:04:23] Voice 12: I'd like to put it on the bookshelf.

[2:04:24] Voice 12: Noon to 4.

[2:04:25] Voice 12: It is.

[2:04:26] Voice 12: Time?

[2:04:27] Voice 12: 12 to 4.

[2:04:28] Voice 12: Okay.

[2:04:29] Voice 12: Is it on the back page here?

[2:04:32] Voice 9: It's on the communities, the CIL page.

[2:04:36] Voice 9: Oh, just when

[2:04:38] Voice 21: you open it up.

[2:04:40] Voice 10: It's 12 to 4.

[2:04:41] Voice 10: It's actually at 12 to 4 now.

[2:04:49] Voice 9: Hopefully they get it in everyone's mailbox.

[2:04:51] Voice 9: Yeah.

[2:04:53] Voice 21: Fingers crossed.

[2:04:54] Voice 14: Great.

[2:04:55] Voice 14: Thank you.

[2:04:55] Voice 14: thank you very much so we moved on to page 68.

[2:05:02] Voice 3: thank you for being here thank

[2:05:04] Voice 14: you thank you

[2:05:07] Voice 14: um which is the 68th social ground local trust committee referral proposed bylaw number 546

[2:05:17] Voice 14: and i will and i will express my sincere appreciation that staff now have incorporated

[2:05:27] Voice 14: motions thank you within this because it makes it a lot easier for everybody so trustees are number

[2:05:34] Voice 19: one number

[2:05:35] Voice 14: one one interesting

[2:05:40] Voice 21: yeah you do it we'll alternate hold on i

[2:05:45] Voice 7: just opted for the

[2:05:48] Voice 7: paper oh here

[2:05:49] Voice 20: i got it

[2:05:50] Voice 7: i got it

[2:05:51] Voice 7: uh

[2:05:52] Voice 20: that the north pender island trust committee responds to the

[2:05:54] Voice 20: southwest trust committee that interests are unaffected by proposed pilot number five

[2:05:59] Voice 20: or six so

[2:06:01] Voice 14: second for this question all the question all in favor that carries

[2:06:09] Voice 7: local trust committee respond to salisbury island local trust committee that interests

[2:06:15] Voice 7: are unaffected by proposed bylaw number five board in it executive

[2:06:21] Voice 14: trustee morris yes yeah

[2:06:23] Voice 14: for the discussion call the question favor that carries

[2:06:42] Voice 14: So we can deal with that today. We can put it off to another meeting if you want to have

[2:06:47] Voice 14: more discussion. We're kind of like pretty flexible when we deal with this.

[2:06:51] Voice 20: I think I would like to push this on to our next meeting because I'd like to have a note

[2:06:55] Voice 20: in front of them from the conversation to be able to think about what the because there are

[2:07:02] Voice 20: some pieces of feedback that we got today that i would like to incorporate about to trust the

[2:07:07] Voice 20: council so

[2:07:07] Voice 21: yeah that should be all right yeah

[2:07:13] Voice 14: because there's no paper or january or february

[2:07:16] Voice 21: yeah

[2:07:16] Voice 14: so so i think that's totally appropriate and

[2:07:20] Voice 7: i think you're right that it now is when

[2:07:24] Voice 7: people are going to start starting to see them online in the last week basically all of a sudden

[2:07:30] Voice 7: so we're

[2:07:31] Voice 21: likely to hear a lot like that first as

[2:07:34] Voice 20: well that we could incorporate um brad do you

[2:07:37] Voice 20: think we need jesus online but do you think we need um is there some way to get a summary of

[2:07:45] Voice 20: the comments that were in our telephone today i think

[2:07:49] Voice 9: we covered your meeting minutes okay so

[2:07:51] Voice 20: we'll just take that yes

[2:07:52] Voice 9: uh so i think you could just pass a resolution for her okay

[2:07:58] Voice 9: first meeting and i'll just think of you know a follow-up action to include that

[2:08:02] Voice 9: perfect

[2:08:02] Voice 18: thank you okay so i moved to um defer my references

[2:08:15] Voice 12: 14

[2:08:16] Voice 20: .3 um i moved to defer item 14.3 to the next defender

[2:08:21] Voice 20: under lpc so

[2:08:23] Voice 3: to the november 1st

[2:08:24] Voice 21: to the november 21st um under l2c yeah

[2:08:29] Voice 14: blue sky should have a question that carries okay

[2:08:36] Voice 12: and then this one

[2:08:37] Voice 12: i wanted to

[2:08:41] Voice 7: say that but i'm curious because it has to do with the um housing stuff the

[2:08:52] Voice 7: your housing the tiny tiny house thing what's the brief history of what kind of you guys are doing

[2:09:03] well this is the primary part of this is flexible housing this is primary position within this

[2:09:09] violence so that

[2:09:10] Voice 14: is to to say allowing more um additional building against our property

[2:09:17] Voice 14: And we've done it with a defined zone.

[2:09:24] Voice 14: So we didn't do it island-wide.

[2:09:27] Voice 14: So we did sort of a pilot toward it a couple of years ago, and that was fairly contained.

[2:09:32] Voice 14: Now we've spread out to a larger area.

[2:09:36] And then if you go sort of into the tiny

[2:09:40] Voice 14: details, we've added little things here, a little bit

[2:09:42] Voice 14: more so a little bit more on regular attachment and such um tiny homes are saving incorporated

[2:09:50] Voice 14: within that um one of the things that we'll be towards is tup's um for um our fees um and the

[2:09:59] idea with that is so that every three years we would have the um are being expected and that

[2:10:08] would be for health and safety not not building codes

[2:10:11] Voice 14: not bringing anything up to code but having

[2:10:13] Voice 14: the fire department and the health officer go into the rb and go okay we feel it's still safe

[2:10:19] Voice 14: for the dwelling so that we don't get these devolving ones down to the tooth that they're

[2:10:24] Voice 14: not safe particularly on sort of the fire issues so it would be it's going to do this yeah so that

[2:10:36] Voice 14: So that's why we're still working on it. So the idea would be our fire chief or representative of our fire department and VHOP would be would expect as part of the TUP.

[2:10:48] Voice 14: And we're also talking about the TUP would be like a $500 application fee. So every three years, $500 sort of a resale application fee, but ensuring that these are safe to all the users.

[2:11:01] Voice 20: So it's interesting because like any inspection, like a web inspection for instance, like those things are usually taken to the CRP for people, not the trust.

[2:11:12] Voice 20: So we're essentially getting in the building code business by doing a TEP to some degree.

[2:11:18] Voice 14: Kind of, but this is not about code, this is about health and safety.

[2:11:23] Voice 14: So we wanted to defer to the professionals. They were not there yet.

[2:11:27] Voice 14: And I know Planet Chat is still working on how this would sort of be manipulated.

[2:11:34] Voice 20: Yeah, I mean, I don't, I'm not, I have no problem with the past.

[2:11:37] Voice 20: This is unaffected.

[2:11:39] Voice 20: I do have a lot of questions about what you're doing, not because I agree or disagree.

[2:11:44] Voice 20: I'm just curious about your rationale.

[2:11:46] Voice 7: That was exactly my thing.

[2:11:47] Voice 7: My interests are unaffected by it, except that I'm interested in what we're going through.

[2:11:53] Voice 7: And that has been part of this.

[2:11:56] Voice 7: the whole way is we weren't first in in starting this process right there's other islands that are

[2:12:03] Voice 7: that have had a couple of years into this idea and we do have the ability to sort of learn from

[2:12:09] Voice 7: what they've done and maybe speed up our own processes or at least catch up our own processes

[2:12:16] Voice 7: so yeah i was just curious you know what there was the singular idea that was approved a few

[2:12:25] Voice 7: years ago i think and now you guys have sort of brought it out and so what was the reasoning

[2:12:32] Voice 7: and what are the advantages i guess or disadvantages to well

[2:12:36] Voice 14: one of the difficulties

[2:12:37] Voice 14: is as we all know doing anything on the island success we like we did secondary suites

[2:12:45] Voice 14: six seven years ago we've had one built did

[2:12:48] Voice 20: any get built additionally with the new

[2:12:52] Voice 19: So

[2:12:53] Voice 14: we had one built and that became an STVR.

[2:12:57] Voice 14: So we're kind of upset about that.

[2:13:00] Voice 14: So we haven't had an uptake and the same with this expansion of housing initiative.

[2:13:14] We haven't had anybody doing it.

[2:13:17] Voice 14: it so we so we said okay maybe we need to expand and get more opportunities there's less of interest

[2:13:23] Voice 14: but you know may not have the cost of pushing a thousand dollars a square foot right now

[2:13:28] Voice 14: so if you want to build say well pretty modest at 600 square feet that's a 600 000 investment

[2:13:36] Voice 14: and then we can affordability so yeah

[2:13:39] Voice 7: it's the whole thing about affordable housing is affordable

[2:13:45] Voice 7: You

[2:13:45] Voice 19: have government money in the pot somewhere and they're not going to go for it.

[2:13:50] Voice 14: So that's how tiny homes have wheedled into the conversation.

[2:13:55] Voice 14: So perhaps an applicant for $150,000 could put in that additional dwelling unit in an

[2:14:03] Voice 14: affordable way.

[2:14:04] Voice 14: So we're trying to explore all possibilities and we're taking baby steps and that's what

[2:14:12] Voice 14: this bylaw kind of allows for but as i say with all the intent uptake's not there it's just i'm

[2:14:20] Voice 20: curious that i haven't tracked that um so it's a tiny house it's not a meal it's eligible for a

[2:14:26] Voice 20: mortgage for people just coming up with

[2:14:28] Voice 21: 150 000.

[2:14:31] Voice 8: we haven't really asked the question if they're

[2:14:34] Voice 7: being built, if they're being manufactured by the modular home standard, I don't know

[2:14:48] Voice 7: if it's a mortgage but I think that there's financing. I

[2:14:51] Voice 7: think that people don't finance

[2:14:53] Voice 7: a tiny house through Mint or whoever it is that is putting them together. Where I think

[2:15:01] Voice 7: the challenge will be is that i don't think that a bank will lend somebody money to build a tiny

[2:15:08] Voice 7: house on their property okay like maybe they could if they've got if it's a secondary they could take

[2:15:13] Voice 7: over take a line

[2:15:15] Voice 7: of credit or something like that to do it but i don't think that you're going to

[2:15:19] Voice 7: see people buying a piece of property and then taking that piece of property value and going

[2:15:24] Voice 7: to the bank and say i want to build a tiny yeah give me a 30-year warning yeah i don't think that

[2:15:32] Voice 7: that will happen because i don't think that they have tangible in place security for them yeah

[2:15:41] Voice 20: they'd have to do a second marriage on their property based yeah okay okay now that we're

[2:15:46] Voice 20: getting slightly off tangent uh do

[2:15:51] Voice 7: you have a friend yeah the northern island local trust

[2:15:53] Voice 7: committee respond to the main island local test committee that their interests are affected

[2:15:57] Voice 7: unaffected by draft bylaws 196 and 197. second

[2:16:02] Voice 14: for the discussion of the question all favor

[2:16:05] Voice 14: that carries thank you um all right so we're down to page 87 um 15.1 raptor nest development

[2:16:15] Voice 14: development area DPA project. Over to Planner Smith.

[2:16:18] Voice 14: Thank

[2:16:19] Voice 12: you, Chair. So,

[2:16:21] Voice 9: pretty robust report coming back here after another round of public

[2:16:29] Voice 9: input and comments and letters to all property owners that are located not only where a nest

[2:16:35] Voice 9: tree is located, but in both non-nesting and nesting bumper areas, so capturing more or

[2:16:41] Voice 9: less the whole audience of properties that may be directly affected by the changes in your byline

[2:16:47] Voice 9: here staff are seeking direction to get first reading to file number 235 of proposed changes

[2:16:57] Voice 9: or amendments based on the work of hearing and receiving public input referral information

[2:17:08] Voice 9: group responses from different agency impersonations in the draft bylaw that

[2:17:15] Voice 9: you've already seen

[2:17:16] Voice 9: in group 2024, updating that, some technical amendments to include peregrine falcon, so

[2:17:27] Voice 9: there is now a peregrine falcon nest identified. We also did some cleanup just to reflect that

[2:17:34] Voice 9: that the bylaw only reflects what's designated on the map

[2:17:40] Voice 9: as opposed to other rafters previously,

[2:17:44] Voice 9: an owl, for example, but if there's no owl,

[2:17:47] Voice 9: so if an owl was added in the future to your map,

[2:17:50] Voice 9: it would also need to be updated.

[2:17:52] Voice 9: Those speed of submission, adding the exemption

[2:17:58] Voice 9: for minor construction within those seasonal buffer areas

[2:18:02] Voice 9: areas to reduce the enforcement load that development in those areas may require and

[2:18:11] Voice 9: updating the guidelines for vibro-clarity around developing on a previously undeveloped

[2:18:18] Voice 9: lot. I did send you an email earlier with the potential minor amendment to that guideline

[2:18:25] Voice 9: just to make it more clear that an undeveloped lot is permitted to be developed subject to

[2:18:31] Voice 9: those conditions, we can revisit that in a second. And also the island stress policy statement is

[2:18:39] Voice 9: there for you to review afterwards, which is typical in time of first reading. Staff are

[2:18:44] Voice 9: recommending that you schedule a public hearing for your next meeting on November 21st. As you go

[2:18:51] Voice 9: ahead, two CIMs, a pretty extensive public consultation staff, recommend that you schedule

[2:18:57] Voice 9: But you could choose to have those on different days if you chose.

[2:19:08] Voice 9: I think I will pass it back to the Chair for any questions with respect to the details

[2:19:14] Voice 9: of this report.

[2:19:15] Voice 14: Trustees?

[2:19:17] Voice 14: I

[2:19:19] Voice 7: did have, I guess, a question myself.

[2:19:22] Voice 7: So also, I guess a concern that has been voiced working in the construction industry on the island with

[2:19:35] Voice 8: the basically

[2:19:40] Voice 7: the block out nesting time basically takes out the entire building.

[2:19:50] Voice 7: it requires a permit well okay but then this is this is where this is where i've been in

[2:20:02] Voice 7: that's talked a lot of guys about over the

[2:20:05] Voice 7: last you know over the summer and so my thing to people

[2:20:10] Voice 7: has been there's it's what i had wanted to see happen out of this was that there would be a

[2:20:18] Voice 7: a discussion before people just start building and a lot of that based on what happened at 4850

[2:20:25] Voice 7: when people went in they made the call on whether the tree was reliable or not knocked it down

[2:20:32] Voice 7: knocked everything around another tree down um leaving it vulnerable and if you look at

[2:20:40] Voice 7: the root rot that's going on on pender island and the low i just had a tree two trees

[2:20:49] Voice 7: tip over on my property that there is maybe a seven foot root ball that goes about three feet

[2:20:56] Voice 7: deep uh two two furs that are 150 plus feet tall so there is not a lot of structural stability in

[2:21:06] Voice 7: a lot of these big trees um that we have a conversation about when and how people are

[2:21:14] Voice 7: building and i know that we've had um we've had applications that came forward early in the term

[2:21:22] Voice 7: where folks had made a sort of consideration as to how they built i think you know they adjusted

[2:21:31] Voice 7: there was a corner of the house that was going to end up in in the area and it still was passed

[2:21:36] Voice 7: i think that people are looking at this and we're sort of missing on traffic beauty in that they

[2:21:42] Voice 7: they don't realize that there are still options.

[2:21:45] Voice 7: They think that it's basically been a situation

[2:21:48] Voice 7: where their property just got nuked

[2:21:52] Voice 7: as far as any possible future development on it.

[2:21:56] Voice 7: And really, personally, it's like having a conversation

[2:22:00] Voice 7: about best practices and how and when

[2:22:05] Voice 7: and are there ways to adjust to what's going on?

[2:22:10] Voice 7: because I know that in December and January you don't want to be building anything so

[2:22:17] Voice 20: I suggest

[2:22:20] Voice 21: sorry

[2:22:20] Voice 7: so I don't know how we get that out there

[2:22:28] Voice 20: yeah I suggest that first of all I think the edit

[2:22:32] Voice 20: that you sent to the email Brad is a helpful one because it means more explicitly the development

[2:22:42] Voice 20: But it has to include these kind of considerations, just like what you said.

[2:22:47] Voice 20: So it just makes it a little bit clearer that it's not like you can't do it.

[2:22:52] Voice 18: That's in respect of an undeveloped law.

[2:22:54] Voice 18: That's the undeveloped law piece, yeah.

[2:22:56] Voice 18: So is there other language that, oh, this is about the timing, which piece is it?

[2:23:01] Voice 18: So I think the

[2:23:03] Voice 9: concern

[2:23:05] Voice 18: is

[2:23:06] Voice 9: around those seasonal buffer areas and how they would impact construction

[2:23:11] Voice 9: activities and how you would communicate to property.

[2:23:16] Voice 9: So if you wanted to build your woodshed or your house in that timing window in that buffer

[2:23:27] Voice 9: area you would need a permit saying you do that that permit would frame out how

[2:23:33] Voice 9: you but there are people I might come to the conclusion that window so so

[2:23:44] Voice 9: absolutely no

[2:23:50] Voice 7: that was I think that was the part of it that I that I maybe

[2:23:57] Voice 7: hadn't tracked from the beginning was the extent I understand the extended

[2:24:08] Voice 7: like circumference or I guess or diameter of the distance and what the recommendations were

[2:24:15] Voice 7: including that way but the timing part of it seems like. So

[2:24:23] Voice 9: what

[2:24:24] Voice 7: you have is a tree

[2:24:25] Voice 9: and then you have a non-nesting buffer, which is all year round, and then you have additional

[2:24:32] Voice 9: buffer, which is seasoned. One option would be to just remove that seasonal buffer requirement,

[2:24:40] Voice 9: just stick with your non-nesting buffer, which is one approach you could take. It's difficult

[2:24:51] Voice 9: to know how you can tweak the length. If you're working within those periods, then you need

[2:24:58] Voice 9: to apply the guidelines. But that is

[2:25:07] Voice 21: one option to address. One

[2:25:19] Voice 9: amendment is meant to allow

[2:25:21] Voice 9: some construction to be lengthier or

[2:25:31] Voice 10: smaller.

[2:25:34] Voice 9: But it still limits

[2:25:36] Voice 9: if you're building a house

[2:25:37] Voice 9: certain anything with the building so maybe

[2:25:46] Voice 21: can i first just add in the um i'm not sure what the

[2:25:52] Voice 21: motion has to sound like but add in that suggested change to the number five on page it's

[2:26:06] Voice 9: on page uh

[2:26:07] Voice 9: 105 for your package it's guideline five essentially so okay

[2:26:16] Voice 21: so i'm not exactly sure

[2:26:20] Voice 21: with motion so

[2:26:20] Voice 9: i would say uh the north bender island local trust committee amends by law

[2:26:28] Voice 9: 235 uh to amend uh guideline five guideline number five to read

[2:26:42] Voice 9: to read development is permitted

[2:26:46] Voice 9: and should yes did

[2:26:50] Voice 20: you catch that lisa

[2:26:51] Voice 20: I'll

[2:26:52] Voice 9: send you what I sent them earlier so that gets to your concern it

[2:26:59] Voice 6: does right if I find my

[2:27:01] Voice 6: hold on

[2:27:06] Voice 20: just one second Lisa did you catch that what

[2:27:11] Voice 15: I have is that the North Pender Island

[2:27:13] Voice 15: local trust committee amend draft bylaw number 235 to amend guideline number five to read

[2:27:21] Voice 15: development is permitted and should okay so let's hold on that

[2:27:26] Voice 20: chairman

[2:27:27] Voice 12: Mr.

[2:27:31] Voice 6: Chairman so look I first

[2:27:33] Voice 6: want to say you know thanks very much for even before my discussion with Brad around at least

[2:27:39] Voice 6: taking on some of that feedback which Brad has around our particular case you know I was being

[2:27:44] Voice 6: one of these undeveloped lots I know there are others in the in the area as well you know and

[2:27:49] Voice 6: for us um i think this is definitely an improvement what brad is suggesting today i still am am

[2:27:55] Voice 6: concerned obviously as the property owner i will say that the buffers in particular are the challenge

[2:28:01] Voice 6: for us or the concern i would say and i do want to caveat this is you know my wife and i like i

[2:28:07] Voice 6: grew up in golden at you know i was born and raised there so at the forefront in the front

[2:28:12] Voice 6: lines of ecology and human interaction eagles in my backyard growing up so i understand the tension

[2:28:18] Voice 6: here. You know, we bought on Pender Island knowing we were moving into a trust area.

[2:28:22] Voice 6: We actually purposely bought where we did to be outside any DPAs. So we wouldn't have

[2:28:27] Voice 6: any concerns around that. We wouldn't be impeding on the environment, quite frankly, which is

[2:28:31] Voice 6: why this one took us by particular sort of gut shot. The tree in question in our particular

[2:28:36] Voice 6: case is not even on our property. It hasn't been a nest for at least five years since

[2:28:41] Voice 6: we've been around. That's kind of beside the point. And it's something that we actually

[2:28:45] Voice 6: mentioned that we love that these trees are up on the side and yeah we watch the eagles come from

[2:28:51] Voice 6: Maine and they roost in our trees you know they don't nest in our properties but you know they

[2:28:55] Voice 6: roost and they fish that's great so we're not someone who's to say hey we don't we don't believe

[2:28:59] Voice 6: in conservation I want to make sure that trust not to end that from our personal point of view

[2:29:03] Voice 6: I do think that the buffer zones as opposed are draconian and you know Brad has educated me

[2:29:09] Voice 6: through the development you know permit process

[2:29:11] Voice 6: that it is still allowed but I do have concerns

[2:29:13] Voice 6: is that it leaves room even as worded for another set of trustees to make the decision that no

[2:29:21] Voice 6: within that buffer zone you will not construct because we do not agree with whatever your

[2:29:26] Voice 6: mitigations is if I have my own biologist it leaves that window open to make it extremely

[2:29:30] Voice 6: difficult to impossible you know in February to October is the entire building season so

[2:29:36] Voice 6: So even if the trustees would consider removing that secondary buffer as reasonable, I think

[2:29:43] Voice 6: it would go a long way to appeasing concerned citizens like myself, and I can speak for

[2:29:48] Voice 6: others who have had conversations with you on here, that that's really what started to

[2:29:52] Voice 6: get people's concern and ire, quite frankly.

[2:29:54] Voice 6: And this is an emotional issue for us.

[2:29:56] Voice 6: We have a significant amount of money invested in that property.

[2:30:00] Voice 6: future for ourselves here and suddenly while potentially permittable there is no guarantees

[2:30:06] Voice 6: that it is permittable and that is a real concern for us and it's not a small financial burden to

[2:30:12] Voice 6: place on us um and it was taken sort of by surprise so that those are my words but i will

[2:30:17] Voice 6: say thank you brad for the for the listening and certainly you know addressing or attempting to

[2:30:22] Voice 6: address the issues that uh that still remain so thanks for that thank you

[2:30:26] Voice 20: um i did in your letter

[2:30:28] Voice 20: I wanted just to address one other thing. I think it was yours and my consignments.

[2:30:32] Voice 20: In the two notes that I got related to this, I went

[2:30:36] Voice 20: back and had a look at the BC Wildlife

[2:30:40] Voice 20: Act to just see the implementation of the act, because there is a jurisdictional

[2:30:45] Voice 20: issue. Are we doubling up on rules related to this issue?

[2:30:50] Voice 20: So I went back and had a look at that, and I know that

[2:30:52] Voice 20: in some of the reporting as we've gone along on this train, it's been

[2:30:56] Voice 20: in there too but um while the wildlife act has set out these rules and we're bringing ourselves

[2:31:02] Voice 20: into consistency with their recommendations we also um it does sort of name guidance for local

[2:31:10] Voice 20: governments to implement more detailed sort of land use management around what those larger sort

[2:31:17] Voice 20: of provincial rules are so i think we have that happen a fair amount with different things um

[2:31:24] Voice 20: related to DPAs and I've lived in DPAs like consistently so it is a challenge um so

[2:31:32] Voice 20: what would we so I don't feel like we're in conflict with having duplicate things it's more

[2:31:38] Voice 20: just from my perspective it's about clarity for what the rules are here like to be able to as we

[2:31:44] Voice 20: build really understand how that act which it feels like often the ether sometimes for folks

[2:31:52] Voice 20: What I do have a question about is related to the, like, we would be first reading them if, if we decided to go forward and then we don't be open for a comment period that

[2:32:05] Voice 9: you would have a public yeah okay yeah the November meeting and then after that staff would have a staff report with where you can consider further direction giving second and third reading, sending to executive committee and and and so forth.

[2:32:19] Voice 9: to Mr. OCP, or you could,

[2:32:24] Voice 10: after

[2:32:26] Voice 9: that public hearing, choose to return more information,

[2:32:36] Voice 9: but then you need to load another public hearing. So I think, I mean, you've heard a lot from the

[2:32:43] Voice 9: community. I don't think that you're going to hear any more new now. I think that the first

[2:32:49] Voice 9: round of mapping a lot of the feedback that we received was around particular trees and whether

[2:32:54] Voice 9: that tree is viable or accurately mapped or not and Dave and Dan have done a lot of work in this

[2:33:06] Voice 9: season to reassess those nests and the feedback is from that is so the feedback to that second

[2:33:15] Voice 9: I don't think that there's even a tree here that's almost now gone.

[2:33:19] Voice 9: And so I think you're down to where you have a pretty accurate map.

[2:33:24] Voice 9: And it's down to these decisions around buffer areas.

[2:33:32] Voice 9: And you could amend after the public hearing,

[2:33:36] Voice 9: if you get a groundswell of comments around those buffer areas

[2:33:40] Voice 9: and you choose not to change them today,

[2:33:46] Voice 9: So

[2:33:47] Voice 20: I think I would prefer personally to take that path to

[2:33:50] Voice 9: go to public

[2:33:50] Voice 20: hearing before we

[2:33:51] Voice 20: remove the buffer zones, because the buffer zones have been sort of, there's a basis for

[2:33:56] Voice 20: why we're doing them.

[2:33:57] Voice 20: When

[2:33:57] Voice 9: we're talking about buffer zones, I'm really talking about the seasonal buffer zones.

[2:34:00] Voice 20: Yes.

[2:34:00] Voice 9: Yeah, yeah.

[2:34:01] Voice 20: And also, I think the other read that I thought was super interesting, and I think in conversations

[2:34:10] Voice 20: conversations with community that we should in particular be really aware of was whether the

[2:34:15] Voice 20: nest is occupied or not and whether the tree is currently viable or if it's a less mature tree

[2:34:21] Voice 20: that could become viable those are things that actually are in the

[2:34:24] Voice 20: wildlife act that like a

[2:34:26] Voice 20: management and protection of like near viable trees that are trees that are like over viable

[2:34:32] Voice 20: is different but trees that are near viable for maturity are part of the conversation of like

[2:34:37] Voice 20: making sure there's future older trees. So

[2:34:39] Voice 9: in this case for your data set it's just either a tree

[2:34:42] Voice 9: that has a nester in it or a tree that has previously had nesting activity and still

[2:34:47] Voice 9: remains viable from the professional's opinion that a nest could occur again in that tree because

[2:34:53] Voice 9: it identifies

[2:34:54] Voice 19: potential

[2:34:56] Voice 9: trees unless they've had, that's correct, if they did.

[2:35:00] Voice 20: Yeah that's right,

[2:35:01] Voice 20: Right. Which I found interesting because from my perspective, that actually made ours, like our project, less expensive than the Wildlife Act actually suggests for communities.

[2:35:13] Voice 20: How does

[2:35:15] Voice 6: ours compare to the other islands?

[2:35:16] Voice 20: I don't know.

[2:35:18] Voice 9: Most islands don't.

[2:35:19] Voice 9: Each LTC would

[2:35:21] Voice 6: establish that DPAs.

[2:35:22] Voice 6: I guess I think I know the answer. I guess to your point, is it the other islands? This doesn't exist.

[2:35:28] Voice 22: That doesn't

[2:35:28] Voice 22: mean it shouldn't.

[2:35:29] Voice 6: No, I'm not saying that, but to suggest that a paperwork would be put in place, I think that that's not.

[2:35:35] Voice 6: Part of

[2:35:36] Voice 7: it, part of it, I think, comes down to the desire to try to update this when we had the ability to update it for a fairly low cost to the community.

[2:35:49] Voice 7: And what it was, we had some people that were very interested in doing the work that made it so.

[2:36:02] Voice 7: We also have, what, nine PPAs, I think, on Pender?

[2:36:10] Voice 7: Right.

[2:36:11] Voice 7: None of them, not none, but a lot of the work that was originally done on them was done from Saturday night.

[2:36:19] Voice 7: and we wanted to start to try to figure out how we ground through them how we make sure that they

[2:36:28] Voice 7: are actual sort of factual thing as opposed to just looks like there's a good tree right there

[2:36:38] Voice 7: and one just put a circle around it and get ourselves sort of in line with other government

[2:36:46] Voice 7: entities that that oversee them because we end up in this we ended up in a conflict with

[2:36:53] Voice 7: with this this property where basically at the end of the day the province came back and just

[2:36:58] Voice 7: said this we're not interested in in dealing with that um and that's a hard thing to hang

[2:37:09] Voice 7: on the community if there's enforcement for it uh whereas when we're following along with

[2:37:16] Voice 7: the provincial guideline we can go in and say here's the provincial guideline this is and we

[2:37:23] Voice 7: need support to enforce this when there's a when there's an issue um you know do other islands have

[2:37:30] Voice 7: it i yeah maybe not there's also a no no tree cutting dpa on galleon we don't have that you

[2:37:41] Voice 7: know they're the only island that has it like there's you're gonna see that in different islands

[2:37:45] Voice 7: and where it makes sense because of the number of people in the population and things start to

[2:37:52] Voice 7: become an issue saturn has nothing right they only

[2:37:58] Voice 7: have five people yeah well yeah

[2:38:01] Voice 3: that

[2:38:01] Voice 7: sort of is is the thing you know like they've just have started to they just had a record-setting

[2:38:07] Voice 7: sale of a house on private land or something like that that was two and a half million dollars and

[2:38:13] Voice 7: And it's like, you don't have $10 if there's Aussies

[2:38:16] Voice 7: that get sold on Pender like that all the time.

[2:38:19] Voice 7: And then one of them helps bring this out

[2:38:21] Voice 7: for four or five times that much, you know?

[2:38:23] Voice 7: So we're really trying to figure out

[2:38:28] Voice 7: how to do the best for here,

[2:38:30] Voice 7: as opposed to what's going on in other islands

[2:38:36] Voice 7: and not end up with the same issues

[2:38:38] Voice 7: that they're ending up with.

[2:38:42] Voice 14: We are straining, we don't have motion on the table, but just to your point, like I'll compare them in front of you.

[2:38:51] Voice 14: Barnaby allows STVRs everywhere.

[2:38:53] Voice 14: I

[2:38:53] Voice 6: retract my comment. I

[2:38:55] Voice 6: mean, I wasn't, my comment was not, it was more applied to ours is less stringent than even guidance.

[2:39:00] Voice 6: But I will retract that just so we can move forward because I think we all.

[2:39:05] Voice 20: So I have to make that second. Let's go ahead.

[2:39:09] Voice 9: one other way you can do it if you want this uh to your recommendations so just do it as in d

[2:39:15] Voice 9: letter d so you have a bunch of recommendations if you're going to move forward with staff

[2:39:21] Voice 9: recommendations do you have a bunch of events to read on there yeah you could add it as item d in

[2:39:25] Voice 9: those that list of the names okay

[2:39:29] Voice 14: at least a standby might be changing could you follow that

[2:39:32] Voice 9: lisa which

[2:39:32] Voice 12: which page are we on now so

[2:39:34] Voice 14: we're on the program so it's

[2:39:37] Voice 9: not to cut off your

[2:39:38] Voice 9: discussion i would have been ready to consider the recommendations of staff instead of having

[2:39:42] Voice 9: a separate resolution you can

[2:39:43] Voice 9: just add it as an item d to that first resolution yeah

[2:39:46] Voice 20: i'm with you

[2:39:47] Voice 20: so the the d would be the content of that motion without all the updating

[2:39:53] Voice 9: by the way like the same

[2:39:54] Voice 9: as c but uh just change adding that wording okay

[2:39:58] Voice 20: can you send the text to lisa that would be what

[2:40:01] Voice 20: okay thank you okay

[2:40:03] Voice 14: so we're gonna we're gonna say that that motion is gonna die because it's

[2:40:07] Voice 14: not seconded yeah and

[2:40:08] Voice 14: we'll start now with the recommendation and

[2:40:12] Voice 20: so this recommendation would be

[2:40:14] Voice 20: each part like one two and three would be a separate motion or we'd read it yeah i think so

[2:40:20] Voice 20: so aaron any other conversation before we go ahead with the recommendations and the reason i would

[2:40:28] Voice 20: rather this is kind of the situation we went into the land use bylaw review it is legally easier for

[2:40:36] Voice 20: us to have a slightly more full bylaw and cut it after public hearing we can't add something

[2:40:45] Voice 20: after public hearing so i would rather go into public hearing with a slight more and if we want

[2:40:50] Voice 20: to cut it afterwards we can do that that's the issue because legally we can't have that so um and

[2:40:57] Voice 20: i do understand that other issue that's been raised over the next ltc he might not be so open

[2:41:05] Voice 20: we do have a situation where you if it's a buildable lot and and correct me if i'm wrong

[2:41:13] Voice 20: about this but my understanding is if it's a buildable lot we can't constrain the the land

[2:41:22] Voice 20: use bylaw regulations to make it an unbuildable lot

[2:41:25] Voice 21: okay

[2:41:26] Voice 20: that doesn't mean it won't be a difficult

[2:41:29] Voice 20: to build a lot and hopefully anybody who sits in this table like understands that and like

[2:41:33] Voice 20: you know makes that reasonable so you should consider that so

[2:41:38] Voice 9: it's also like with development

[2:41:40] Voice 9: permits you have less discretion as well so as long as an applicant can reasonably demonstrate

[2:41:46] Voice 9: that there are guidelines and professional backs that up that's why it's uh in a way

[2:41:52] Voice 9: that a minor amendment i suggest is more to reinforce to the public uh that development

[2:42:00] Voice 9: development is inferred as development permits are pathway to yes, and then development variance

[2:42:08] Voice 9: or rezoning where you can say no

[2:42:11] Voice 20: with

[2:42:12] Voice 9: total discretion and

[2:42:15] Voice 20: far

[2:42:16] Voice 9: less discretion with development.

[2:42:18] Voice 20: That's right. The onus is actually in development permits on us to identify exactly why some

[2:42:24] Voice 20: part of the premise reasonably

[2:42:25] Voice 9: that's right you can't just say oh i don't like that yeah there's

[2:42:33] Voice 9: how you could yeah there's

[2:42:36] Voice 20: been plenty of situations where there's been a development

[2:42:37] Voice 20: program where i didn't particularly love what was taking time about it that was done because of the

[2:42:42] Voice 20: event yeah

[2:42:44] Voice 14: yes

[2:42:45] Voice 15: go

[2:42:47] Voice 14: ahead can

[2:42:48] Voice 15: you check your video please oh

[2:42:50] Voice 14: we've died again abby thank you

[2:42:55] Voice 14: we're back yeah i think the important thing is is a development permit is a permit to develop

[2:43:02] Voice 14: yes it's not to to stop is to permit so the wording is there all right so you want to make

[2:43:09] Voice 14: motion do

[2:43:10] Voice 18: you want to do it or do you want me to do it i don't um it's a big old wrong thing

[2:43:15] Voice 14: yeah so we're reading on one one

[2:43:18] Voice 20: so we're

[2:43:19] Voice 14: adding a section d in that one section and maybe lisa

[2:43:23] Voice 20: could read out section b when we get there brad could read it out yeah yeah

[2:43:29] Voice 7: so the north

[2:43:30] Voice 7: turnaround local trust committee amends draft bylaw number 235 say north penner island official

[2:43:36] Voice 7: community plan bylaw number 171 2007 amendment number one 2023 by a updating 5.2.8.2 designation

[2:43:50] Voice 7: an agent to include a 200 meter non-nesting period buffer area for peregrine falcons 100 meter

[2:43:57] Voice 7: seasonal nest period buffer areas for osprey and peregrine falcons to align with provincial

[2:44:03] Voice 7: guidance b adding an exempt exemption in 5.2.8.6 development permanent exemptions for

[2:44:12] Voice 7: construction or placement of a small structure building or structure such as a pump house

[2:44:18] Voice 7: gazebo, garden, shed, or storage structure if all of the following conditions are met.

[2:44:24] Voice 7: One, the accessory building or structure is located entirely within the seasonal buffer.

[2:44:30] Voice 7: Two, no native trees are removed or land altered by machinery.

[2:44:35] Voice 7: Three, no building permit is required. And four, the total area or coverage of the

[2:44:42] Voice 7: accessory building or structure is less than 10 meters squared.

[2:44:45] Voice 7: C. Updating 5.2.8.7 guidelines to include guidance where an application involves the development of a primary residence on a previously undeveloped residential parcel and a significant portion or all of the developable area of the parcel falls within the range of EPA.

[2:45:06] Voice 7: And D, where an application involves the development of a primary residence on a previously undeveloped residential parcel and a significant portion or all of the developable area of the parcel falls within Raptor or Heron DPA development is permitted and should work easily.

[2:45:34] Voice 7: There we go.

[2:45:35] Voice 7: Is

[2:45:35] Voice 19: that still back camera?

[2:45:36] Voice 21: I think so.

[2:45:37] Voice 14: Okay.

[2:45:38] Voice 14: Brad's smiling so.

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[2:45:41] Voice 19: Okay.

[2:45:41] Voice 14: Go second.

[2:45:42] Voice 14: Okay.

[2:45:42] Voice 14: Go back.

[2:45:43] Voice 14: Yeah.

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[2:45:49] Voice 14: carries that the

[2:45:54] Voice 20: trust committee draft bylaw number 235 excited north federal official

[2:46:00] Voice 20: community plan bylaw 171 2007 amendment number one 2023 be read at first time

[2:46:13] Voice 3: seconded further

[2:46:15] Voice 14: discussion all the questions all in favor

[2:46:19] Voice 20: Okay, and then the last one here is that the North Bender Island Local Trust Committee

[2:46:24] Voice 20: has reviewed the Islands Trust, oh, wait a minute, okay,

[2:46:32] Voice 18: just this, right?

[2:46:35] Voice 18: Sorry, can somebody tell me what the third recommendation does?

[2:46:38] Voice 9: It's you reviewing the Islands Trust policy statement, confirming that the proposed amendments

[2:46:44] Voice 9: are not contrary to the variance, which is

[2:46:47] Voice 9: typically not a question.

[2:46:48] Voice 19: Yes, sorry about that.

[2:46:51] Voice 20: That the North Bender Island Local Trust Committee has reviewed the Islands Trust Policy Statement Directives Only Checklist and determined that Bylaw No. 235, cited as North Bender Island Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 171, 2007, Amendment No. 1, 2023, as amended, is not contrary to or at variance with the Islands Trust Policy Statement.

[2:47:24] Voice 14: So now you have to scroll down,

[2:47:26] Voice 20: but

[2:47:27] Voice 14: wait, there's more.

[2:47:29] Voice 20: Okay. Okay. The North Pender Island Local Press Committee directs staff to schedule a public hearing for the proposed by-law number 235, cited as North Pender Island Official Community Plan by-law number 171, 2007 amendment number 1, 2023, as amended to be held November 21st, 2025.

[2:47:48] Voice 20: 25.

[2:47:49] Voice 14: same thing for the discussion call the question okay yeah bacteria and

[2:47:54] Voice 20: just lisa just

[2:47:55] Voice 20: checking that you're tracking that we're adding as amended to these motions

[2:47:59] Voice 20: i can

[2:47:59] Voice 15: confirm that trustee morrison thank

[2:48:01] Voice 20: you um okay would you like another one sure okay

[2:48:07] Voice 7: what's pender island along with trust and major direct staff to update the

[2:48:10] Voice 7: raptor nest dpa review project charter or black new timelines and other updates

[2:48:16] Voice 7: as amended?

[2:48:17] Voice 19: No. As

[2:48:18] Voice 7: presented in the October 3rd, 2025 staff report.

[2:48:23] Voice 7: That's a good question. All in favor?

[2:48:28] Voice 9: Mr. Chair, I would suggest one more motion if you want me to place an add-on or a pending

[2:48:33] Voice 9: post for your public hearing. Yes.

[2:48:37] Voice 20: Are we too late? No, we're not too late. That's good. Yes.

[2:48:40] Voice 20: If

[2:48:40] Voice 9: I didn't put a deadline, I think that would be good to just demonstrate that you're trying to

[2:48:46] Voice 9: So if you could pass a motion to advertise on the tender votes for the November 21st

[2:48:56] Voice 9: Raptor Nest.

[2:48:58] Voice 9: So

[2:48:58] Voice 20: I move that the North Pender Island Local Trust Community directs down to place an ad

[2:49:03] Voice 20: in the Pender Post for the November 21st public hearing on By-law 235.

[2:49:15] Voice 14: Okay.

[2:49:17] Voice 14: Second.

[2:49:23] Voice 19: Call

[2:49:23] Voice 14: the question out of favor.

[2:49:25] Voice 19: Okay.

[2:49:26] Voice 20: I can't.

[2:49:26] Voice 20: Oh, my gosh.

[2:49:28] Voice 19: All right.

[2:49:28] Voice 20: Todd, I can't say serious.

[2:49:32] Voice 20: Okay.

[2:49:34] Voice 20: Sorry.

[2:49:35] Voice 20: It's the

[2:49:35] Voice 18: delicacies of the legal aspect of these motions sometimes.

[2:49:42] Voice 18: Okay.

[2:49:43] Voice 12: So we're done.

[2:49:47] Voice 14: So we can move down to page 194,

[2:49:50] Voice 14: which is the work program, active projects, and future projects.

[2:49:56] Voice 14: Any questions for the planner?

[2:50:00] Voice 20: No.

[2:50:03] Voice 20: I have a general question related to future projects.

[2:50:08] Voice 20: can i ask you now it's really about the it came up in one of the pieces of correspondence too

[2:50:15] Voice 20: and it's something that still is like grating on me given the raptor vpa thing in terms of

[2:50:20] Voice 20: the scooter road property um where are we at on the understanding how dps are actually getting

[2:50:29] Voice 20: enforced we are we anywhere do we have questions we should be asking the province about that maybe

[2:50:35] Voice 20: this is a question for warren i'm not sure if he's still with us

[2:50:40] Voice 9: enforced by us you mean no

[2:50:43] Voice 20: like given what happened with the schooner road where the

[2:50:45] Voice 20: province didn't go ahead to prosecute in that situation yeah it leaves me with a very sour

[2:50:53] Voice 20: taste in my mouth about dps which you

[2:50:55] Voice 21: know i know this one's an

[2:50:56] Voice 20: update for an existing dp

[2:50:58] Voice 20: which is different than a new dp but it doesn't ha it does come to the future projects question

[2:51:03] Voice 20: to me.

[2:51:04] Voice 9: So what would the future project be? Well

[2:51:07] Voice 20: there has been questions in our community about

[2:51:10] Voice 20: the Caliano Forest DPA and about bringing

[2:51:12] Voice 9: it up. So you could certainly have a future project that

[2:51:14] Voice 9: considers other DPAs like a Coastal Douglas fir DP for example that maps and seeks to protect

[2:51:24] Voice 9: and preserve CDM habitat.

[2:51:27] Voice 20: Right and I'd be open to that in some ways if I had an answer to the

[2:51:32] Voice 20: question about like do we have any understanding of how the province is taking

[2:51:36] Voice 9: on i would say in

[2:51:37] Voice 9: terms of in terms of enforcement the province would be weighing court action on a tree cutting

[2:51:43] Voice 9: violation versus court action on you know much more egregious activities in their mind and much

[2:51:51] Voice 9: more important to kind of public so uh it's it's almost impossible to predict the provincial space

[2:52:01] Voice 9: in terms of what they're going to do as a priority in the case of Schooner Road.

[2:52:08] Voice 9: We did at least have the opportunity to go back and retroactively apply a permit and

[2:52:13] Voice 9: restoration conditions, which the new owner has taken up the full force and is doing so

[2:52:20] Voice 9: which is not a perfect system, but at least you have some protection.

[2:52:25] Voice 9: And without those DPs, and so they are meant to protect a nest of trees, but DPs are intended

[2:52:33] Voice 9: around habitat more than the creature itself, and so by protecting those trees and buffering

[2:52:38] Voice 9: them, also protecting habitat that those primary species use, and all the creatures and all

[2:52:48] Voice 9: the other plants and species that use that.

[2:52:51] Voice 20: No, I totally understand the value of a DP, it was more the enforcement of that.

[2:52:55] Voice 20: Yeah, I

[2:52:56] Voice 14: mean, yeah, I know.

[2:52:59] Voice 14: Just wanted to take a five-minute break.

[2:53:01] Voice 14: Yeah, go for it.

[2:53:06] Voice 12: So we're

[2:53:06] Voice 14: just on a five-minute break here.

[2:53:17] Voice 3: Okay, so when we

[2:53:19] Voice 14: come back in five minutes,

[2:53:20] Voice 14: we'd just like to have a quick discussion about this.

[2:53:22] Voice 20: Because I think it's a valid question

[2:53:23] Voice 14: that we get

[2:53:24] Voice 20: asked by community.

[2:53:24] Voice 20: Just

[2:53:25] Voice 14: a break. We'll grab you in five minutes.

[2:53:27] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:55:20] Voice 3: Okay, so we have returned.

[2:55:24] Voice 14: So, Trustee Morrison, do you have a question for Mr. Dingman?

[2:55:28] Voice 20: Yeah, just, Warren, if there's, like, where we're at,

[2:55:31] Voice 20: because I know there's a bunch of stuff also moving

[2:55:33] Voice 20: with our enforcement procedures,

[2:55:36] Voice 20: so where are we at as an LTC

[2:55:37] Voice 20: and what we need to be doing to make that a little stronger on our GPA?

[2:55:42] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So, through the chair, today on your agenda is the new BIN by-law.

[2:55:50] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: You can do the final reading of that, final adoption.

[2:55:53] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: option that will have a 500 penalty for fail to obtain a permit or work in a development permit

[2:55:58] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: area that's what you as an ltc can do you can still as an ltc uh file a notice a claim in bc

[2:56:07] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: supreme court to try and hold property owners accountable if they do work in the development

[2:56:13] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: permit area without a permit um there have been requests made uh you know to the provincial

[2:56:21] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: government about updating the law around the enforcement of development permit areas but i

[2:56:28] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: believe it's still the policy of the provincial government that they will not pay for local

[2:56:32] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: government by law enforcement uh prosecutions so uh that's been that way that policy has been

[2:56:44] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: existence for decades and i haven't heard anything that would make me believe that they're going to

[2:56:50] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: to change that policy and

[2:56:53] Voice 20: so does that mean more than we can go ahead and prosecute if we pay for

[2:56:58] Voice 20: it because it sounded to me like when we hit the schooner road issue that it was out of our

[2:57:02] Voice 20: jurisdiction to prosecute because it was more of a provincial issue

[2:57:08] Voice 22: so i guess that's the question

[2:57:10] Voice 22: like

[2:57:11] Voice 20: can we prosecute and pay for it or are we not even jurisdictionally allowed to prosecute

[2:57:15] Voice 20: so

[2:57:16] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: their initial response for the province is that it was is the standard line your local

[2:57:21] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: local government you can pay to prosecute to enforce your bylaws the what I can the what

[2:57:29] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: I'll summarize is the and give you my opinion of what your legal counsel's response was is that

[2:57:36] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: this may be outside of our jurisdiction to do this or outside the jurisdiction of local trust

[2:57:41] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: committee that's one of the reasons why the request made to the province to maybe review

[2:57:47] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: view this to ensure that there would be no disagreement about whether or not local government

[2:57:52] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: could actually prosecute when it comes to violations of dpa areas but you still you can

[2:57:59] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: still seek civil court action to remedy the situation you still take them to court and

[2:58:07] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: prosecution isn't necessarily the best step because what you want you want compliance if

[2:58:13] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: if that's your policy and you want them to get a permit.

[2:58:17] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: I'm

[2:58:17] Voice 19: totally with you on that.

[2:58:19] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: But in

[2:58:19] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: the end, my opinion is that, yes, if you want to prosecute,

[2:58:23] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: you can prosecute.

[2:58:24] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: If the provincial prosecutor is saying, okay, you know,

[2:58:30] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: you go ahead and prosecute,

[2:58:32] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: then it's my belief that that's what the LTC should do

[2:58:35] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and that's the direction they should give to their legal counsel.

[2:58:38] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: But, you know, there is the issue of jurisdiction

[2:58:41] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: jurisdiction that right now seems difficult to overcome and that's one reason why i pushed

[2:58:49] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: forward several years ago let's put into the ben law bylaws a bylaw notice penalty for failing to

[2:58:56] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: get the permit which is what other jurisdictions have actually been doing for decades right almost

[2:59:01] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: as soon as the bylaw enforcement notice act was adopted there were local governments who said we

[2:59:09] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: we will also put in the penalty for the DPA contravention.

[2:59:14] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And this has never been challenged in court, to my knowledge.

[2:59:18] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And I believe now there may be a dozen or dozen plus jurisdictions that do it.

[2:59:23] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: You can be another jurisdiction that does it.

[2:59:25] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Gambier has adopted the penalty.

[2:59:28] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Gabriola will soon adopt the penalty.

[2:59:30] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And Hornby's also adopted a penalty for DPA contraventions.

[2:59:35] Voice 20: Yeah, no, that seems like a...

[2:59:36] Voice 20: Yeah, I'm with you on, like, we want compliance.

[2:59:39] Voice 20: I totally get that but in situate there's been in my knowledge for situations on Pender on North

[2:59:46] Voice 20: Pender where we have not had compliance and it's been just actually five that I can think of where

[2:59:52] Voice 20: one that we did end up taking to court and then I think I think it was civil court and then we

[2:59:55] Voice 20: ended up getting somewhere on it but it was so drawn out holy

[3:00:00] Voice 20: smokes and so and so expensive it was just brutal but I do believe that like if we're going to have

[3:00:08] Voice 20: bylaws we actually have to be able to enforce them like for those few folks that just won't

[3:00:14] Voice 20: come into compliance otherwise like it's basically a loophole that people are just like I'm not going

[3:00:20] Voice 20: to do it and like they can just stick that in the ground so like that just doesn't seem like the

[3:00:25] Voice 20: community ethos we were trying to get at obviously education is better than enforcement so yeah okay

[3:00:32] Voice 20: that helps me understand that it does seem like a chicken and egg problem with the

[3:00:37] Voice 20: province won't pay for it but they have jurisdiction so um which is our dilemma

[3:00:45] Voice 20: so okay um i think that's where i want to land on this i do think that i'm wondering as an ltc

[3:00:53] Voice 20: if we and maybe warren this is a question for you as an lpc have we ever written with that specific

[3:01:02] Voice 20: schooner road issue like to the province saying this is actually a case where we feel like

[3:01:10] Voice 20: your jurisdiction has sort of this this gray area of jurisdiction is causing us problems on enforcing

[3:01:19] Voice 20: saying what you told us we're supposed to be doing i don't know like it seems like we should

[3:01:24] Voice 20: be writing a letter to the province somehow about this business specific case so

[3:01:31] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: through the chair

[3:01:31] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: there was extensive back and forth between crown council and your legal counsel so they cannot be

[3:01:39] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: unaware of the situation but in their response back it was clear that you know they wanted

[3:01:48] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: wanted local government to take action and to pay the bill so uh it was lengthy detailed back

[3:01:58] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and forth between the the lawyers so they had to have been well aware of the situation and the

[3:02:03] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: request yeah

[3:02:05] Voice 20: so i i yeah i remember reading all that feeling extremely frustrated when that came

[3:02:10] Voice 20: down um we were in trust council the day it came down i remember um okay so basically

[3:02:18] Voice 20: what i'm taking from what you're saying oran is that we should prosecute whenever we hit a

[3:02:25] Voice 20: situation like that we should prosecute directly versus going to the province and not getting

[3:02:30] Voice 20: them to prosecute so

[3:02:32] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: as a first step i would issue if you can issue a fine we could issue

[3:02:37] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: issue a penalty daily a five hundred dollar penalty daily if someone's on a property working

[3:02:44] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: in a dpa without a permit and they work there for 30 days without that permit that's 500 bucks a

[3:02:51] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: day

[3:02:51] Voice 22: that's

[3:02:52] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: fifteen thousand dollars that we can pursue i mean that's a hefty fine that's a severe

[3:03:01] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: your fine amount in total if someone wishes to do that and you know if the ltc wants to go in that

[3:03:08] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: direction uh we can certainly do that it's at your discretion

[3:03:13] Voice 20: yeah and if they

[3:03:14] Voice 20: stop work in the zone

[3:03:17] Voice 20: then that they couldn't get fined they would just have to apply for it right like while they're

[3:03:23] Voice 20: applying for the permit they're not getting fined as long as they're not working correct if they

[3:03:28] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: would stop work we could stop uh the penalty yeah and okay

[3:03:35] Voice 20: let's talk about that as that comes up

[3:03:36] Voice 20: because we're not quite there yet i think on agenda that's another item but yeah thank you

[3:03:41] Voice 20: for that i think i've been asking sorry i know

[3:03:44] Voice 20: that was slightly out of sequence of events but

[3:03:46] Voice 20: it had to do with what i was thinking so i'm good with the current projects but it's something to

[3:03:50] Voice 20: consider because that there has been requests for us to adopt a forest bylaw here and we were

[3:03:56] Voice 20: waiting to see if it was enforceable on Galliano which seemed the answer seems to be yes and it

[3:04:01] Voice 20: was a very simple bylaw that they had done with them which I thought was actually and co-generated

[3:04:06] Voice 20: with their community I was actually very impressed when I read the bylaw it was very simple so and

[3:04:14] Voice 20: not very onerous for people I felt like it was really good okay thank you thank

[3:04:19] Voice 14: you we'll be

[3:04:20] Voice 14: back here in a couple of minutes so nothing else under active future projects yeah so we have an

[3:04:26] Voice 14: applications report on page 197. Are there any questions about those Brad

[3:04:33] Voice 9: applications we didn't

[3:04:35] Voice 9: have a development permit and a development uh then gender plus uh potential grade in this

[3:04:42] Voice 9: application we come back we're still looking at this three outstanding reports hydrogeological

[3:04:48] Voice 9: report to prove water uh stormwater management plan and environmental resources

[3:04:57] Voice 9: working actively in those things. Aaron Grammer, I reach out pretty consistently and he doesn't

[3:05:04] Voice 9: respond. So I don't know what you want to maybe reach out to Aaron and try to help him up and

[3:05:10] Voice 9: maybe tell him that there's no guarantee your

[3:05:14] Voice 9: TEP gets renewed in October of 2026. So the

[3:05:18] Voice 9: oneness is really on you if you want to see these trustees considering your result.

[3:05:23] Voice 9: only because the time's

[3:05:26] Voice 7: getting pretty tight for him yeah

[3:05:27] Voice 5: the

[3:05:28] Voice 7: last time we even had this

[3:05:30] Voice 7: discussion i did message him okay and just said hey like yeah this is the thing give me a call

[3:05:36] Voice 7: and he

[3:05:36] Voice 9: did did respond late july saying yeah we're working on that i'll have things for you

[3:05:41] Voice 9: yeah it's his it's his application it's up to him but

[3:05:52] Voice 9: But he's also

[3:05:53] Voice 9: way behind on a couple of conditions in his team.

[3:05:56] Voice 9: He was supposed to have a monitoring well established for six months,

[3:06:01] Voice 9: over two years.

[3:06:02] Voice 9: I could reach out to Barb too, I guess.

[3:06:06] Voice 9: Yeah.

[3:06:06] Voice 8: I

[3:06:06] Voice 9: don't know how.

[3:06:07] Voice 9: I mean, I

[3:06:08] Voice 9: know they had a lot going on, but the risk

[3:06:11] Voice 7: is on.

[3:06:13] Voice 7: I don't know where the responsibilities have fallen since that past.

[3:06:19] Voice 7: yeah just maybe

[3:06:22] Voice 9: give him like not an admonishment but just like you know time is running out reach

[3:06:28] Voice 9: quickly in our term and if you want it leads to like for us to have the opportunity to

[3:06:35] Voice 9: because the new trustees might have yeah you know with support pretty what he wants to do right

[3:06:44] Voice 14: communication very important all right so um page 200 we trust you a little uh expense report

[3:06:54] Voice 14: um we've got policies so going forward we have new business 17.1 6601 razor point covenant

[3:07:05] Voice 14: updates i've

[3:07:06] Voice 20: heard nothing from them um anything moving on your front with the

[3:07:12] Voice 20: a crazy point that we've heard?

[3:07:14] Voice 20: No, okay. I'll try and

[3:07:16] Voice 20: actually get an actual update for November.

[3:07:20] Voice 14: So

[3:07:21] Voice 14: the news is there's no update?

[3:07:23] Voice 12: There's no update. Okay.

[3:07:24] Voice 14: 17.2 North Bender

[3:07:27] Voice 14: Biological Compliance and

[3:07:28] Voice 14: Enforcement Policies, and there's a staff report

[3:07:31] Voice 14: and I'm assuming Mr. Dingman

[3:07:33] Voice 14: is back up to review

[3:07:35] Voice 14: this with us.

[3:07:38] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Thank you, Chair.

[3:07:38] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Just let me get to the right spot in the agenda.

[3:07:42] Voice 14: It's page 205.

[3:07:47] so

[3:07:56] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: in um a couple of months ago the uh local trust committee did three readings of the bend

[3:08:06] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: by law amendment at that time the compliance and enforcement policy was discussed and local trust

[3:08:13] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: committee requested that a draft be presented to the local trust committee at this meeting

[3:08:19] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: um what this policy document does uh is one it incorporates all current standing resolutions

[3:08:29] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: for compliance and enforcement into a single document um it establishes priorities

[3:08:36] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: for the local trust committee in regards to enforcement it provides some discretion

[3:08:46] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: to bylaw officers in terms of who should

[3:08:51] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: or should not be enforced against.

[3:08:54] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: It provides guidance around inspections,

[3:08:57] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: how much notice you wish to give to property owners

[3:09:01] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: subject to enforcement.

[3:09:03] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: It contains in Section 5.6,

[3:09:08] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: we had this discussion at Trust Council

[3:09:10] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: regarding holders of temporary use permits

[3:09:12] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: when bylaw officers may enter the property.

[3:09:16] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: your temporary use permits have this provision in it and it was felt that this should also be

[3:09:22] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: in the policy document so that everyone would be aware that this is a possibility if they have a

[3:09:28] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: a temporary use permit and a complaint the policy document provides for a policy on

[3:09:39] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: On frivolous, repeat, or vexatious complaints, this is new.

[3:09:46] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: It's not a serious problem, I would say, on Pender.

[3:09:50] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: It is in other jurisdictions where there are slightly more frequent.

[3:09:54] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: But now we have a policy that says if something's obviously vexatious or frivolous,

[3:10:00] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: we will not enforce on that.

[3:10:05] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Part of this policy also states that there'll be regular reporting and open files

[3:10:10] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: where investigations have been completed

[3:10:12] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and the reporting will state whether or not

[3:10:14] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: enforcement or legal action of any kind

[3:10:15] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: is recommended.

[3:10:17] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: That type of reporting already goes to Denman.

[3:10:20] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: It goes to Maine, which Chair Maude will be aware of.

[3:10:24] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And this document also in Part B

[3:10:26] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: contains your screening officer powers

[3:10:28] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and duties policy

[3:10:30] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: in regards to any issued violation notices.

[3:10:36] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And there's a long list of reasons

[3:10:38] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: to cancel violation notices.

[3:10:42] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: including where you know the local trust committee has actually closed a file that

[3:10:48] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: was a policy that doesn't did not exist previously so now if an LTC closes a file

[3:10:54] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and does not wish to pursue any enforcement then the violation notice can be cancelled

[3:11:02] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: this as well as in you'll beware trust council there was an endorsement of the new trust council

[3:11:09] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: policies, which included the policy template for local trust committees, and a number of

[3:11:16] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: local trust committees have adopted their local compliance and enforcement policy to

[3:11:24] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: suit their island needs and direct staff on how to resolve the compliance and enforcement

[3:11:33] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: files.

[3:11:33] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: The recommendation before you is that you adopt this as drafted and for you also to rescind two standing resolutions which are now incorporated within the document.

[3:11:45] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Of course, you can amend the document as you see fit.

[3:11:52] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: you can request on the alternative recommendations

[3:11:54] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: you can request more information

[3:11:56] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: about the benefits and

[3:11:58] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: implementation

[3:12:00] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: of your own compliance and enforcement policy

[3:12:03] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: or you can direct staff to proceed

[3:12:05] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: no further and you can

[3:12:06] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: your standing resolutions would

[3:12:09] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: remain as a means to

[3:12:11] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: direct bylaw officers

[3:12:13] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: in their performance of their duties

[3:12:16] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: are there any questions

[3:12:18] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: trustees

[3:12:20] Voice 3: I

[3:12:22] Voice 7: think

[3:12:24] Voice 7: When I was reading for inspections, it seems like the way that it's written is that if somebody makes a report, the inspection could be conducted with no notice to the landowner.

[3:12:45] Voice 7: is that like there's no notice given to somebody that they have have a file opened against them

[3:12:58] Voice 7: and somebody just shows up on their property and investigates so with all of the files

[3:13:05] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: unless there's something urgent as in work in a dpa area you're going to get a letter stating

[3:13:12] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: that a file is opened so what the current policy states a lot of this is just sort of regurgitation

[3:13:19] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: from, say, what's in the temporary use permits

[3:13:22] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and what your own bylaws says.

[3:13:25] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: In 5.5, you know, you have a policy

[3:13:29] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: where you can attend without notice.

[3:13:34] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: But if you look in 5.3, it says, say,

[3:13:39] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: it encourages 24 hours notice.

[3:13:42] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: You can change that to make it mandatory.

[3:13:46] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: And some islands are saying, some local

[3:13:49] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: local trust manager saying we want a set period of notice whether it's it is just going to be 24

[3:13:56] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: hours two weeks 30 days or even 90 days right the ltc can set this you can amend this policy

[3:14:04] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and set whatever notice period you see fit uh before there's entry onto the private property

[3:14:14] Voice 20: Yeah. So the 5.5, like you're saying, and 5.6, which actually kind of are similar in some ways,

[3:14:23] Voice 20: because we do short-term vacation rentals under a TUP as well. Basically, we're saying that

[3:14:31] Voice 20: TUPs are a little bit of a different animal. And then, which really here, we do them just for

[3:14:38] Voice 20: for the concrete land, the short-term vacation rentals,

[3:14:42] Voice 20: and like weird stuff like the gravel storage that we had

[3:14:46] Voice 20: when the big road project was being done

[3:14:48] Voice 20: by the TUP on that.

[3:14:50] Voice 20: So they're pretty limited in some ways.

[3:14:53] Voice 20: And oh, we have TUP right now on Braden's property

[3:14:56] Voice 20: on Fort Lauderdale.

[3:14:57] Voice 20: Oh, it's expired, right?

[3:14:59] Voice 20: We're in the process of trying to deal with that, yeah.

[3:15:01] Voice 20: So those are ones that would be more immediate,

[3:15:04] Voice 20: which I think that's reasonable

[3:15:06] Voice 20: because those are things that are more dynamic

[3:15:09] Voice 7: in nature i was thinking in like for for an

[3:15:13] Voice 7: environmental concern yeah right

[3:15:15] Voice 7: where it's health health and safety so yeah i mean this is going to

[3:15:19] Voice 7: come into play with a lot of this discussion about herpes and tiny houses and all of that stuff

[3:15:24] Voice 7: where somebody is you know dumb and sick that's right yeah or living in a spot where there is no

[3:15:33] Voice 7: No, you know, no, no potable water, no sewer septic or no, nothing being addressed with

[3:15:44] Voice 7: that, right?

[3:15:45] Voice 7: Yeah.

[3:15:46] Voice 7: It's a more of an immediate.

[3:15:48] Voice 7: The way

[3:15:49] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: I read it

[3:15:49] Voice 7: was that basically the file gets opened.

[3:15:52] Voice 7: I wasn't sure what the letter goes out, but I think most people that I talked to wouldn't

[3:16:01] Voice 7: want to be able to set up to be able to meet the person on on site 24 hours and not just have 24

[3:16:09] Voice 7: hours notice because a lot of people that's not possible i know somebody told me i'm going to be

[3:16:13] Voice 7: there tomorrow i'd be like sure yeah you know but i also wouldn't want somebody going out on my

[3:16:19] Voice 7: property so yeah um i i would want to see us have some sort of a sort of notice uh of attendance to

[3:16:30] Voice 7: the property i don't know what i mean 90 days is like ridiculous but you know um

[3:16:36] Voice 7: how we would word that in there well

[3:16:42] Voice 20: we could change 5.3 to be it um are required to request

[3:16:49] Voice 20: mutually agreeable times to reach and provide like one week's notice first yes you could do

[3:16:55] Voice 20: something like that um i

[3:16:59] Voice 7: think i think in some cases for someone that's off island and you know

[3:17:02] Voice 7: depending on what it is there's they're probably just going to say you know just go and look at it

[3:17:06] Voice 7: yeah like if it's not but if it's particularly with a resident that is living here and

[3:17:12] Voice 7: and i'm thinking longer term residents that have their way of life is potentially

[3:17:20] Voice 7: eventually a little bit different you know like giving them a heads up that it's coming and some

[3:17:26] Voice 7: of them just knowing that in a week somebody is going to be showing up at my place to

[3:17:30] Voice 7: investigate is probably going to move them towards some sort of effort in that time period like

[3:17:38] Voice 7: I mean I know that every time my mom told me she was coming down to inspect my room

[3:17:44] Voice 7: so so so

[3:17:45] Voice 20: i i became because like 5.4 and three without notice that's the exceptional circumstance

[3:17:52] Voice 20: problem so that

[3:17:53] Voice 20: trumps 5.3 in that weird situation where there's a health state concern yeah so

[3:17:58] Voice 20: 5.3

[3:17:59] Voice 20: is that more general thing and i think we could easily do a week's notice there because i do think

[3:18:04] Voice 20: we have a lot of off-island folks here absolutely and so um how do you want us to suggest edits to

[3:18:11] Voice 20: this is this like a just amended situation and then we go ahead so

[3:18:16] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: through the chair you should

[3:18:18] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: pass a a motion for each amendment yeah

[3:18:22] Voice 20: there's not very many things that i want to mention here

[3:18:25] Voice 20: so i'm going to just amend it offline here

[3:18:26] Voice 22: okay all

[3:18:27] Voice 20: right are you ready lisa i'm ready okay so

[3:18:35] Voice 20: at the um north pender island local trust committee um oh my gosh

[3:18:42] Voice 20: should have this in front of me i know there's an amendment here

[3:18:45] Voice 18: we go uh i don't know there's

[3:18:50] Voice 18: an amendment a motion here okay

[3:18:58] Voice 17: amend proposed bylaw do we have a number no

[3:19:06] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: it's just your

[3:19:07] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: compliance and enforcement policy okay

[3:19:09] Voice 18: the the north mender island local trust committee amend

[3:19:12] Voice 18: men proposed bylaw compliance and enforcement policy.

[3:19:21] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Section 5.3.

[3:19:22] Voice 18: Yeah, item 5.3 to read,

[3:19:28] Voice 20: and I'm just gonna read the whole piece.

[3:19:32] Voice 20: Bylaw compliance and enforcement officers

[3:19:37] Voice 20: are required to request mutually agreeable times

[3:19:42] Voice 20: to arrange site inspections

[3:19:45] Voice 20: and provide one week's notice.

[3:19:54] Voice 21: Just let me check.

[3:19:55] Voice 15: Are you good, Lisa?

[3:19:58] Voice 15: Yes, Trustee Morrison, I have that.

[3:20:00] Voice 21: Thank you.

[3:20:02] Voice 14: So, Trustee Campbell, for the discussion,

[3:20:05] Voice 14: call the question off there.

[3:20:07] Voice 14: That carries.

[3:20:08] Voice 20: Right.

[3:20:09] Voice 20: And, sorry, I know you said it's in here.

[3:20:11] Voice 20: I just can't seem to locate it.

[3:20:13] Voice 20: Where is that?

[3:20:13] Voice 20: Oh, it's the schedule, right?

[3:20:15] Voice 20: I saw it.

[3:20:16] Voice 20: I did find it.

[3:20:16] Voice 20: It was in the schedule as defined for, like,

[3:20:19] Voice 20: Like if you don't have a, yeah, I see it.

[3:20:21] Voice 20: I see it.

[3:20:22] Voice 20: Okay.

[3:20:23] Voice 20: Everything else I'm good with.

[3:20:25] Voice 7: Do we need to amend if you want it to be a daily fine?

[3:20:32] Voice 22: I

[3:20:32] Voice 7: think it's for an environmental and for like.

[3:20:35] Voice 7: For non-permanent.

[3:20:36] Voice 7: For old work.

[3:20:37] Voice 7: Yeah.

[3:20:37] Voice 7: We're going to DPA without a permit.

[3:20:41] Voice 20: Penalty amounts is 500.

[3:20:46] Voice 20: And you can do that daily, right?

[3:20:48] Voice 20: Or the way it's written right now, you can apply that daily.

[3:20:52] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: yes but you should put it in the policy document under section six added a 6.7

[3:20:59] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: state that uh the local trust committee is authorizing daily fines for work in a development

[3:21:06] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: permit area without a permit you already

[3:21:09] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: have a 6

[3:21:09] Voice 14: .7 yes do

[3:21:11] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: we i'm sorry oh i missed that

[3:21:13] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: then i said

[3:21:13] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: 6.8 put it within the that section enforcement procedures

[3:21:17] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: procedures uh where you want are authorizing that daily penalty for the fail to obtain permit in a

[3:21:28] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: developed permit area and

[3:21:31] Voice 20: we're good with that i'm good with that because that solves multiple

[3:21:33] Voice 20: issues i'm having the last six years if we do that okay okay so that the north pender island

[3:21:39] Voice 20: local trust committee um amend the bylaw compliance and enforcement policy

[3:21:48] Voice 20: policy to include a section 6.8. And Warren, can you read what it needs to say?

[3:21:58] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: That the local trust committee authorizes a daily penalty for work in the development permit area

[3:22:06] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: without a permit.

[3:22:13] Voice 18: Do you need us to reread anything, Lisa?

[3:22:17] Voice 15: No, I've got that.

[3:22:20] Voice 3: All right. Seconded. Thank

[3:22:22] Voice 14: you for the discussion. Call the question. I hope that carries.

[3:22:27] Voice 20: that's great because that also resolves like the whole movement of the concrete plan

[3:22:31] Voice 20: to the site without a permit yeah that's the whole thing we have to deal with so

[3:22:38] Voice 7: sort of student road one the pirates are one yeah there's a bunch of stuff

[3:22:46] Voice 7: um another question i had and i might already know the answer but is it

[3:22:51] Voice 7: but the whole idea of us like having a screening officer for people I know that one of the issues

[3:23:01] Voice 7: people have felt in the past was that they're basically the screening officer is staff

[3:23:12] Voice 7: dealing with them feeling I don't know that there is another way to do it though

[3:23:16] Voice 7: no

[3:23:17] Voice 20: I think in all the conversations we've had about this I feel like this is

[3:23:20] Voice 20: Is the screening officer in by-law enforcement or is it in planning?

[3:23:27] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So, Chair, the policy has been amended from the original and adopted some 14 years ago.

[3:23:34] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So the regional planning manager can now deal with all by-law violation notices,

[3:23:42] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: including those issued by the manager, so all by-law officers.

[3:23:45] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: officers the rpm can deal can act as a screening officer and this has been amended so if you do have

[3:23:53] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: someone uh who's been issued a ticket and they believe there's bias amongst the bylaw officer

[3:23:59] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: then the rpm can act as the screening officer so it

[3:24:04] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: doesn't have to be done by bylaw staff

[3:24:06] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: right can

[3:24:07] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: now put it forward to rpm kajima and he can he can screen the ticket

[3:24:15] Voice 7: yeah i i i understand we still

[3:24:21] Voice 20: have the ability to mix a ticket like this still

[3:24:26] Voice 7: allows

[3:24:26] Voice 20: us to do that yeah

[3:24:28] Voice 7: i just was trying to think of a like a if there's a way to have it be

[3:24:32] Voice 7: third party but i don't think that there is because it wouldn't there the cost involved in

[3:24:38] Voice 7: having yeah

[3:24:40] Voice 21: so

[3:24:41] Voice 14: so um how does that self-selection process work so you've got three alternatives for

[3:24:48] Voice 14: screening officers so how how how does it be determined who's going to be the screening

[3:24:56] Voice 14: officer profile so

[3:24:58] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: it defaults jareth to the manager myself uh but then if someone has

[3:25:05] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: as expressing, well, okay, all the by-law officers are in some way biased

[3:25:10] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: or I've been involved in the decision,

[3:25:12] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: we can now give it to the RPM to handle the screening decision.

[3:25:19] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So it's not, the by-law department's no longer involved.

[3:25:23] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: It's not the best case solution.

[3:25:25] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: We don't have someone completely independent

[3:25:26] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: because we don't have that staff position.

[3:25:29] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: We don't have a budget for that.

[3:25:31] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: But at least it's no longer a by-law officer making the decision

[3:25:35] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: if they're really concerned about bias it can go to the rpm and

[3:25:39] Voice 7: and really if like that's also is

[3:25:44] Voice 7: partly the reason for adjudicators if somebody really wants to push it to that level instead

[3:25:51] Voice 7: of having to go to court they can go to an adjudicator and the adjudicator is court

[3:25:58] Voice 7: court appointed right i think the

[3:26:01] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: adjudicators are appointed by the province and they are

[3:26:04] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: completely independent okay we

[3:26:06] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: have to pay for their daily rate for them to attend the hearing

[3:26:10] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: but they are an independent adjudicator appointed by the province and

[3:26:16] Voice 20: i also just want to still

[3:26:17] Voice 20: enter back in this conversation because we're having more reporting like more regular reporting

[3:26:22] Voice 20: we're also going to be involved as an LTC in the light.

[3:26:27] Voice 7: Yeah, I just, yeah, I was trying

[3:26:29] Voice 20: to figure it out.

[3:26:30] Voice 14: No, the LTC reporting really is a game-changer.

[3:26:36] Voice 14: It adds a lot of clarity,

[3:26:38] Voice 14: and it also gives a back and forth.

[3:26:42] Voice 14: So you actually, instead of just reading something,

[3:26:44] Voice 14: like in an email, you actually can have a conversation

[3:26:47] Voice 14: and say, okay, what's going on,

[3:26:49] Voice 14: and really understand and do a deep dive into things so i like it one

[3:26:55] Voice 20: one other question that

[3:26:56] Voice 20: i have and and this is the jurisdiction challenge that we have so can like file enforcement from the

[3:27:04] Voice 20: fire department for go in on a tup with no notice because they're checking on a fire related issue

[3:27:11] Voice 20: i assume they would just have like a emergency kind of like they can go anywhere is that true

[3:27:17] Voice 20: yes

[3:27:18] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: they have their own bylaws their their regional district bylaws fire department you

[3:27:22] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: know whatever the regional district district is authorized if they are working under the

[3:27:26] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: regional district salt spring has its own fire uh commission or whatever uh but it's regional

[3:27:34] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: district bylaws that will permit firefighters to do entry in an emergency and that type of thing

[3:27:40] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: um i don't think a local trust me would have any jurisdiction to give them the authority to do

[3:27:47] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: anything uh you could in your bend by law though you know try and rope in other officers to issue

[3:27:55] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: tickets but i don't you can what other jurisdictions as most municipalities the police officers could

[3:28:01] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: also issue bylaw notices if that's in your your bylaw uh i don't know if they would agree to that

[3:28:08] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: want to do that but that's what happens in many regional district uh mti bylaws or bend bylaws

[3:28:16] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: is you'll see that the RCMP are also authorized to issue

[3:28:19] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: or the other police officers in the jurisdiction

[3:28:23] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: are authorized to issue tickets under your bylaws.

[3:28:27] Voice 20: I'd rather not add

[3:28:28] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: that right now.

[3:28:28] Voice 20: I'm sure the RCMP would be really annoyed with us

[3:28:31] Voice 20: in some ways, but it is a challenge

[3:28:34] Voice 20: because like if you're not on island

[3:28:36] Voice 20: and there's an emergent situation

[3:28:37] Voice 20: like what happened at Schooner,

[3:28:39] Voice 20: like it's a difficult situation

[3:28:40] Voice 20: if we don't have somebody to step in immediately.

[3:28:42] Voice 20: Like, yeah.

[3:28:44] Voice 20: I

[3:28:44] Voice 7: do believe that it defaults to the RCMP, though, if there isn't a local government representative or whatever, whether it's VHOP, because I had to deal with them at the pub over a water issue, and there was nobody that could respond that day from VHOP.

[3:29:11] Voice 7: So the RCMP had to come down and bring the letter.

[3:29:14] Voice 20: right but then i think somebody did contact the rcmp on the schooner road because it was so

[3:29:19] Voice 20: emergent and there was like you know chainsaws on the property and so but then i think they said

[3:29:25] Voice 20: that they couldn't in that moment so i'm not sure warren do you know what the answer to that question

[3:29:31] Voice 20: is so

[3:29:32] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: there will be police officers in this province especially the rcmp can enforce almost

[3:29:39] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: almost any provincial regulation right but

[3:29:42] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: there'll be an act that that should be within

[3:29:44] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: a provincial act that authorizes them to do that so what other local governments do is they will

[3:29:50] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: within their bylaws whether it's a municipal ticket information or a bend bylaw it'll explicitly state

[3:29:57] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: that they are authorized to issue those tickets

[3:30:00] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: so and i don't there would obviously

[3:30:03] Voice 12: have to you would have

[3:30:05] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: to have a discussion with the rcmp about

[3:30:07] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: this right so it's not impossible but whether or not their policies are going to allow this

[3:30:14] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: um it's a complete we'd have to have that discussion with them before trying to bring

[3:30:20] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: them into that type of enforcement okay i yeah

[3:30:26] Voice 22: i would rather

[3:30:26] Voice 20: just get this in place right now

[3:30:29] Voice 20: and then we can have

[3:30:31] Voice 20: that longer conversation but it probably is worth a conversation at some point

[3:30:35] Voice 20: just because of the presence or absence of enforcement officers on island at different times

[3:30:40] Voice 20: um okay okay what's

[3:30:43] Voice 20: our next step

[3:30:44] Voice 14: page 205 you

[3:30:46] Voice 7: have two motions so it would be as amended

[3:30:48] Voice 19: that

[3:30:49] Voice 7: the north bender island local trust committee adopt north bender island local

[3:30:53] Voice 7: the trust committee bylaw compliance and reporting policy as amended okay second

[3:30:59] Voice 14: i just

[3:31:01] Voice 20: want to say that this has been a long road

[3:31:02] Voice 20: and i appreciate you working with us and getting the clarity we have about four on this so thank

[3:31:09] Voice 20: you okay

[3:31:09] Voice 14: so

[3:31:10] Voice 7: question carry north pender island local press committee rescinds standing resolution

[3:31:19] Voice 7: resolution N.P. 2019.016 and N.P. 2022-002.

[3:31:28] Voice 7: Second.

[3:31:29] Voice 7: Second.

[3:31:30] Voice 7: For the discussion.

[3:31:31] Voice 14: All in question, all in favor?

[3:31:32] Voice 14: That carries.

[3:31:34] Voice 14: So we move on to page 213.

[3:31:37] Voice 14: North Pioneer Local Trust Committee

[3:31:40] Voice 14: File Enforcement Notification for Post-File

[3:31:42] Voice 14: Number 230, Consideration of Adoption.

[3:31:45] Voice 14: I give it back to you, Mr. Dingman.

[3:31:48] Voice 14: uh

[3:31:50] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: chair so the local trust committee has given three readings to the amendments and the new

[3:31:56] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: schedules uh they did that july 25th this was approved by executive committee in august 6 2025

[3:32:05] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and so it is now back before the local trust committee for adoption uh this amendment bylaw

[3:32:10] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: will update the penalty schedule and it does establish a penalty for fairly failure to obtain

[3:32:15] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: a permit for work in a development permit area and it's five hundred dollars um sorry go ahead

[3:32:24] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: so within the the schedules have been simplified um they've added a 300 surcharge for uh defaulting

[3:32:35] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: on the penalties uh i believe almost everything your you can get a compliance agreement on

[3:32:42] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and for each of the schedules it does say you know provide the 500 penalty for failure fail to

[3:32:47] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: obtain development permit so

[3:32:51] Voice 20: all of this is good i believe there's a typo on the motion okay yeah

[3:32:55] Voice 20: okay i was just like i am misunderstanding that okay so it should be the north pender island

[3:33:00] Voice 20: local trust committee not the gabriel that's okay i just was like that was the only thing i was like

[3:33:04] Voice 20: think that's

[3:33:06] Voice 14: a typo i'm

[3:33:08] Voice 20: pretty sure am i understanding a local government

[3:33:10] Voice 20: we can't pass their emotions they can't pass ours

[3:33:15] Voice 20: all right so i'm good okay so the north pender island local trust committee

[3:33:20] Voice 20: about bylaw number 230 the north pender island local trust committee bylaw enforcement

[3:33:25] Voice 20: notification bylaw number 188 2011 amendment number 1 2022

[3:33:33] Voice 20: 2022.

[3:33:35] Voice 14: yeah exactly oh gosh

[3:33:38] Voice 19: all right

[3:33:40] Voice 14: probably question all the favor that carries thank you

[3:33:44] Voice 14: mr damon you're

[3:33:46] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: welcome i don't know why

[3:33:48] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: brad didn't read it i have no idea

[3:33:54] Voice 20: careful he works in your office

[3:33:57] Voice 9: and it has

[3:34:01] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: your concurrence brad so i don't know how this happens all righty

[3:34:07] Voice 3: so

[3:34:08] Voice 14: moving on um we have 17.4 steps i have stvrs

[3:34:17] Voice 3: yeah we

[3:34:21] Voice 7: have i guess we're putting them thinking about we have a dozen tvs i think

[3:34:29] Voice 7: that are all going to expire before our term is up um most of those if not all of them are

[3:34:49] Voice 7: unoccupied STBOs

[3:34:50] Voice 21: well

[3:34:53] Voice 20: yeah they're like unoccupied by like no family members yeah

[3:34:57] Voice 20: because they have to be that way for being going through this procedure if

[3:35:01] Voice 7: we adopt in March we

[3:35:04] Voice 7: We got into the provincial regulation and they take it over.

[3:35:13] Voice 7: Does that stop our bylaw enforcement from having to do anything with STVRs?

[3:35:23] Voice 20: I think we would have to revoke our STVR policy.

[3:35:28] Voice 7: It ends, is my understanding.

[3:35:31] Voice 7: Our STVR policy.

[3:35:32] Voice 7: the

[3:35:32] Voice 9: short-term

[3:35:34] Voice 9: vacation rental temporary

[3:35:36] Voice 9: experiments would no longer be valid

[3:35:38] Voice 9: if you had a

[3:35:39] Voice 9: walk-in, but you would still

[3:35:40] Voice 9: have home occupation

[3:35:41] Voice 9: short-term vacation rentals

[3:35:44] Voice 9: which you would potentially

[3:35:46] Voice 9: need to be forced to.

[3:35:50] Voice 20: But we wouldn't do TUPs anymore.

[3:35:52] Voice 20: We

[3:35:52] Voice 7: wouldn't do TUPs

[3:35:54] Voice 7: and then

[3:35:56] Voice 7: at least think the

[3:35:58] Voice 7: feeling is

[3:36:00] Voice 7: people that are STVR

[3:36:03] Voice 7: are in on a property that they live on self-police the complaints that they're going to get as opposed

[3:36:10] Voice 7: to we have to deal with the complaints right for

[3:36:15] Voice 7: the for the most part right just thinking about

[3:36:18] Voice 20: are you asking whether we should object to the order yes okay thank you yeah

[3:36:23] Voice 7: that's i guess

[3:36:24] Voice 7: that's where like thinking it through i think one of the advantages would be it takes pressure

[3:36:31] Voice 7: off of a workforce that is already stressed in their ability you know to

[3:36:39] Voice 7: get to everything that they have to do. I think that most of the issues that we

[3:36:49] Voice 7: have with the STVRs are ones that are not home or occupied or home-based

[3:36:57] Voice 7: business i noticed that there was some people just put out for um having a house with a cottage

[3:37:10] Voice 7: and now renting out an rv space in their yard for a thousand dollars a month with no

[3:37:20] Voice 7: no hookups for it

[3:37:21] Voice 3: and

[3:37:22] Voice 7: in the ad it said that the black water system would be forthcoming in the

[3:37:27] Voice 7: next year and i sent him a message and i was like you probably don't want to edit that or take it

[3:37:33] Voice 7: down because there's absolutely no way that you want to to deal with that but i know that people

[3:37:42] Voice 7: have already brought up the subject of if i've got a house and caught it and i let someone live

[3:37:50] Voice 7: in the cottage then i can stvr the house and the person who's living in the cottage is responsible

[3:37:59] Voice 7: for for it and i so i think that that becomes those become the new loophole of somebody puts

[3:38:05] Voice 7: a trailer in their yard and some somebody gets cheap rent for being their stvr manager

[3:38:10] Voice 7: chair but

[3:38:11] Voice 20: i think if if i understood the response from the aapc that if that situation happens

[3:38:20] Voice 20: that's not going to be allowed under bill 35.

[3:38:22] Voice 7: right well that's a friend i think said that

[3:38:24] Voice 7: earlier it wasn't you know it had to be a primary residence not

[3:38:28] Voice 9: uh so i think personally my advice

[3:38:31] Voice 9: to the ltc would be that if you want to get rid of your temporary use permit just tbr so you have

[3:38:38] Voice 9: made your OCP guidelines through your project to remove the ability

[3:38:42] Voice 9: to issue TUPs. So that's what Galliano did last

[3:38:46] Voice 9: term. They went through a STDR review and at the end

[3:38:51] Voice 9: all those guidelines, just like you have a set of guidelines

[3:38:54] Voice 9: that they removed and they replaced it with TUPs

[3:38:58] Voice 9: cannot be issued for short-term applications. So that would

[3:39:01] Voice 9: remove the temporary use permits while not impacting

[3:39:06] Voice 9: some of these other nuances of the changes having impacts and there's a

[3:39:12] Voice 9: couple other little changes that would potentially impact your home business

[3:39:21] Voice 9: operators who are otherwise just operating under your regulations, doing a

[3:39:30] Voice 9: good job. So for example someone living in a rental unit and running the

[3:39:36] Voice 9: the short-term vacation for that property.

[3:39:39] Voice 20: Because that's

[3:39:40] Voice 20: not TUP.

[3:39:41] Voice 20: That's

[3:39:42] Voice 9: all under our home base.

[3:39:43] Voice 9: Because it's a home only.

[3:39:45] Voice 9: It doesn't have to be the home.

[3:39:49] Voice 14: So I see Mr. Dingman has come on screen.

[3:39:51] Voice 14: So I don't know if you want to have something more to offer.

[3:39:55] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So, Chair, with Gabriel and Salt Spring,

[3:39:57] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: where they have opted into the provincial regulations

[3:40:00] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: for principal residency requirement,

[3:40:02] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: we are still doing STR enforcement.

[3:40:04] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: enforcement. There still may be non-compliance with the land use bylaws. So if the North

[3:40:13] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Bender LDC wants to opt in, then they should develop a set of policies, amend their policy

[3:40:20] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: document to make it clear that, you know, we're just going to default to provincial

[3:40:25] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: enforcement and not have island stress bylaw officers enforce regulations around the short

[3:40:34] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: term vacation rentals but right now we we do it out there there are issues that come up with these

[3:40:40] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: you know they're required now to register their platform the principal residency requirement is

[3:40:46] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: there uh but we're seeing a trend where there's still uh strs that are say using accessory

[3:40:53] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: buildings or structures uh as part of their operation and the use of accessory buildings

[3:41:00] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: other than a lawful cottage or secondary suite is not permitted and so it may be allowed under

[3:41:08] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: the provincial regulations or okay you got a secondary suite it doesn't make any reference

[3:41:13] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: to lawful secondary suite or cottage but your land use bylaw does cover that if you're not

[3:41:18] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: allowed to use an accessory building for any type of habitation then you wouldn't be allowed to rent

[3:41:24] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: it out as a certification but the LTC would need to if they're going to opt in they should amend

[3:41:30] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: their policy to reflect that and change how you're going to deal with those strs so

[3:41:38] Voice 20: i would love to

[3:41:39] Voice 20: you know i'm glad maybe you guys have based on this conversation maybe we've already done this

[3:41:44] Voice 20: but i would love to i don't know if it's a briefing or just a conversation about like where

[3:41:51] Voice 20: is some kind of pros and cons about opting into 35 or not before we hit that line in march but i

[3:42:00] Voice 14: I think that's the thing. That's Trust Council December.

[3:42:03] Voice 14: That's why

[3:42:03] Voice 14: we brought me the

[3:42:04] Voice 14: province in. So let's wait

[3:42:06] Voice 19: to make a decision internally for us.

[3:42:08] Voice 7: Yeah, I think

[3:42:10] Voice 7: where I was going is

[3:42:12] Voice 7: we are with a year

[3:42:14] Voice 7: left. If

[3:42:16] Voice 7: we're going to adopt

[3:42:18] Voice 7: something like that, I

[3:42:20] Voice 7: would want to give people

[3:42:23] Voice 7: I think it was 12,

[3:42:25] Voice 7: right?

[3:42:26] Voice 9: But there are two different choices

[3:42:29] Voice 9: you can make. You can either opt in

[3:42:30] Voice 9: And that would kind of, in a way, remove like the one that's being on you, like the provincial legislation just no longer allows it to be issued, or you can amend your guidelines so that you're choosing to not issue TEBs, you're not leaving it up to the provincial legislation to make that cutoff for you.

[3:42:52] Voice 9: and then it doesn't affect doesn't have those other triggering effects of impacts on primary

[3:43:00] Voice 9: residents as to the operation those are that's a choice here okay

[3:43:06] Voice 20: some things to consider because

[3:43:08] Voice 20: because one of the things that i really want to understand related to our stvrs they've been in

[3:43:13] Voice 20: place for about seven years now it was the very first thing that we passed it with the previous

[3:43:17] Voice 20: distrust count or LPC who had done the work on it. It was the very first thing that Ben and I

[3:43:22] Voice 20: talked about. And I feel like we've had seven years of them operating on PUPs now and we have

[3:43:30] Voice 20: some pros and cons to that. So I'd like to hear what the problem has to say and just have a little

[3:43:37] Voice 20: bit of the conversation on October 25th with community around that as part of a housing

[3:43:42] Voice 20: related issue. It's still unclear to me how much the

[3:43:45] Voice 20: STBRs are potentially impacting housing stock or not. It seems like it's a totally

[3:43:49] Voice 20: different dimension. I

[3:43:51] Voice 7: don't think that they impact

[3:43:52] Voice 7: the stock, but there is a

[3:43:58] Voice 7: definite movement in the last six months to a year

[3:44:02] Voice 7: of people coming here with the idea that they're

[3:44:06] Voice 7: going to finance their future

[3:44:10] Voice 7: future home on pender island by buying and renting out now some people were looking at

[3:44:16] Voice 7: buying an empty lot and building a cottage that they would be at three to six times a year i think

[3:44:27] Voice 7: they said in the info that they sent me yeah and then you know i've had i've had people just text

[3:44:36] Voice 7: me yeah like

[3:44:37] Voice 7: no no number made huge long text about what they're hoping to do on pender and

[3:44:43] Voice 7: like yeah i always like hey like let's get together and have a coffee or something like

[3:44:49] Voice 7: that because this is not really an over text conversation to have but yeah

[3:44:54] Voice 20: my general advice

[3:44:55] Voice 20: to folks in that situation is like you know we'd love you to come live on pender don't assume that

[3:45:00] Voice 20: you can use short-term vacation rentals as your financing option because

[3:45:05] Voice 22: it's

[3:45:07] Voice 20: a temporary use

[3:45:07] Voice 20: for it there's no guarantee you're going to get it the next time that's like it's not a good like

[3:45:12] Voice 20: and

[3:45:12] Voice 7: the temperature of the island is sort of very much that's right that's right so it's you're yeah

[3:45:18] Voice 7: it's the same reasoning each time is that their stvr is going to be the one that makes

[3:45:28] Voice 7: pender enough money to finally make it to the big time

[3:45:33] Voice 21: it's

[3:45:34] Voice 7: always about tourism more people

[3:45:37] Voice 7: coming to pender to visit and it's like okay i

[3:45:41] Voice 7: don't have the infrastructure that i can't even

[3:45:43] Voice 7: have a grocery store open after 6 30 and we can't have restaurants open after 8 like we don't really

[3:45:50] Voice 7: need we need more workforce yeah

[3:45:54] Voice 21: that's right more

[3:45:55] Voice 7: than anything yeah not

[3:45:57] Voice 7: necessarily more tourists

[3:45:58] Voice 14: unfortunately. Okay, thank you, Mr. Dingman. We sincerely appreciate your additional input.

[3:46:06] Voice 14: Excellent. So,

[3:46:07] Voice 14: upcoming meetings. We have a special meeting, a community information

[3:46:12] Voice 14: meeting scheduled for October 27th here, and then our next regular meeting is November 21st

[3:46:21] Voice 14: here again. So, we conclude with a town hall, if anybody has any additional

[3:46:25] Voice 14: comments or concerns or anything all right then so we shall adjourn thank you

[3:46:36] Voice 14: very much everybody thank you Lisa thank you more remember

[3:46:40] Voice 7: 21st

[3:46:41] Voice 14: is what

[3:46:43] Voice 7: gonna be

[3:46:44] Voice 7: tough for me

[3:46:45] Voice 20: is that do you want to should

[3:46:46] Voice 3: we have switched that day