Islands Trust Council community information meeting, October 6, 2025

[0:00:00] Voice 16: information meeting portion.

[0:00:04] Trustee Elliott: Hey, how's it going?

[0:00:05] Trustee Elliott: Good morning, everybody.

[0:00:07] Trustee Elliott: Thank you for joining us today

[0:00:09] Trustee Elliott: for this regularly scheduled business meeting

[0:00:11] Trustee Elliott: of the Leskete Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:14] Trustee Elliott: I want to begin this meeting by acknowledging

[0:00:16] Trustee Elliott: that we are fortunate to be able to gather today

[0:00:19] Trustee Elliott: on the Pue'ete, Leskete Island,

[0:00:22] Trustee Elliott: in the traditional territories of many Coast Salish peoples,

[0:00:25] Trustee Elliott: including the Comox, Qualicum, Wicom,

[0:00:28] Trustee Elliott: and the Treaty Territory of the Pla'Aman First Nation.

[0:00:32] Trustee Elliott: I'm Toby Elliott, elected on Gabriela Island

[0:00:35] Trustee Elliott: and the chair of the Liskiti Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:38] Trustee Elliott: I'm joined today by your Liskiti Island trustees,

[0:00:41] Trustee Elliott: Tim Peterson, O'Connor Laroni,

[0:00:43] Trustee Elliott: most any words?

[0:00:46] Trustee Elliott: Good start.

[0:00:48] Trustee Elliott: And together we make up the Liskiti Island Local Trust Committees.

[0:00:52] Trustee Elliott: I also saw Director Fall briefly flash on screen.

[0:00:56] Trustee Elliott: Are you going to be joining us today?

[0:00:57] Trustee Elliott: uh yes i

[0:00:58] Voice 25: am great

[0:00:59] Trustee Elliott: thanks for joining us andrew uh director of the cathet regional district's

[0:01:03] Trustee Elliott: electoral area e we have some staff members joining us today via zoom renee jamarant our

[0:01:10] Trustee Elliott: regional planning manager good morning hello renee and lisa millard our minute taker this

[0:01:17] Trustee Elliott: meeting is being live streamed and recorded for those who are unable to attend in person today

[0:01:22] Trustee Elliott: the recording will be available on the islands press website within the next few days

[0:01:27] Trustee Elliott: This meeting is an official forum for your local trust committee to make decisions about land use planning matters and discuss relevant business.

[0:01:35] Trustee Elliott: This is also a place of employment, despite the fact that some staff are in their own homes or in offices, not present, our staff have the right to a safe and respectful workplace.

[0:01:46] Trustee Elliott: place. Before we get into the agenda with our regular business, we have scheduled a community

[0:01:53] Trustee Elliott: information meeting about the proposed Violence Trust Policy Statement by Law 183. We have a

[0:02:03] Trustee Elliott: presentation about the project by staff, followed by a question and answer period in which members

[0:02:09] Trustee Elliott: members of the public and ask questions about the draft statement

[0:02:13] Trustee Elliott: and proposed policies, the process, and you can learn about what has gone

[0:02:19] Trustee Elliott: into the development of the policy statement.

[0:02:23] Trustee Elliott: We are encouraging and asking each local trust committee

[0:02:28] Trustee Elliott: and each community what you think of the draft policies.

[0:02:33] Trustee Elliott: Nothing has been passed into law yet.

[0:02:35] Trustee Elliott: yet these are all the preliminary stages of a six-month period of engagement.

[0:02:40] Trustee Elliott: And so we're asking, does the draft policy reflect your community's intervalues

[0:02:46] Trustee Elliott: and where you want to go?

[0:02:49] Trustee Elliott: Was anything missing?

[0:02:51] Trustee Elliott: As you consider an OCP review for Leskete,

[0:02:55] Trustee Elliott: envision what your community will need in the next 20 years

[0:02:59] Trustee Elliott: and make sure there are some policies for that in the policy statement.

[0:03:06] Trustee Elliott: So you can think of it as sort of a motherhood statement, and that directs what needs to be included in each community's official community plan.

[0:03:16] Trustee Elliott: Some of these policies are directive, they must be included, and some of them are advised to be suggesting that these things be considered to be included.

[0:03:27] Trustee Elliott: So it's really important that that policy statement reflects what is important to each community.

[0:03:32] Trustee Elliott: So we're going to go into the community information meeting first before we approve the agenda

[0:03:37] Trustee Elliott: and go into our regular business.

[0:03:40] Trustee Elliott: So we have staff standing by to do a presentation and if Director Frater, there you are, hello.

[0:03:51] Trustee Elliott: Good morning.

[0:03:53] Trustee Elliott: So I'm going to turn the computer around so that folks can, it's a very small screen,

[0:03:58] Trustee Elliott: But when you're sharing your screen, hopefully they'll be able to see some elements. Is that all right?

[0:04:06] Trustee Elliott: Sure. Let me try sharing here.

[0:04:15] Trustee Elliott: Is that showing up on your screen all right?

[0:04:17] Trustee Elliott: Yep, that works great. I will just see if I can minimize the participants.

[0:04:24] Trustee Elliott: OK, so those would be in the front row seats.

[0:04:36] Trustee Elliott: there's a few copies of this um share your views which should have been mailed out to everybody but

[0:04:42] Trustee Elliott: um go ahead director freighter floor is yours okay

[0:04:46] Voice 1: thank you and good morning everyone it's so nice

[0:04:49] Voice 1: to join you although i wish i could be there with you in person um my name is claire freighter i'm

[0:04:54] Voice 1: the director perhaps i'll turn this off for my introduction and i'll show you in a minute so you

[0:04:58] Voice 1: can see who i am uh i am the director of trust area services with islands trust and i'm joining

[0:05:03] Voice 1: you today from the territory of the Wissanich peoples. I live near Brentwood Bay on the South

[0:05:09] Voice 1: Island. I've worked for Islands Trust for over 20 years and I've had the chance to visit Liskety

[0:05:16] Voice 1: quite a number of times and just I'm so welcomed by your community every time I'm there and I have

[0:05:21] Voice 1: family living on North Pender and Salt Spring and got to know the islands quite well. I've been

[0:05:27] Voice 1: working on the policy statement for quite a number of years and I'm very glad to be supported by a

[0:05:31] Voice 1: great team and we're very much looking forward to hearing from the Liskiti community about your

[0:05:35] Voice 1: views on this project. So with that I will share my powerpoint again here and what we have for you

[0:05:44] Voice 1: this morning is a about a 10 minute 10 to 15 minute introduction and then we'll open it up

[0:05:50] Voice 1: for some questions and then comments as Chair Elliott stated to inform the local trust committee's

[0:05:57] Voice 1: referral response back to Trust Council about this draft bylaw.

[0:06:02] Voice 1: So with that, I will move you off to the next slide. We just want to acknowledge that the

[0:06:07] Voice 1: Trust Area is within the territory of 30 First Nations, and they have been stewards of this

[0:06:14] Voice 1: land since time immemorial and have a deep connection to all the islands. And as we

[0:06:18] Voice 1: undertake this project, we are really committed to reconciliation and upholding Indigenous rights

[0:06:22] Voice 1: and working together to preserve this special place and as we move through the presentation

[0:06:29] Voice 1: today we just want to give you a small introduction to what is Islands Trust and just a general

[0:06:35] Voice 1: overview of the work it does to preserve and protect the 13 major islands and more than 450

[0:06:42] Voice 1: smaller islands in the surrounding waters of the Strait of Georgia and Howe Sound. So here we are

[0:06:48] Voice 1: many of you know this so i'll be quick this is the islands trust area which is set out in the

[0:06:54] Voice 1: islands trust act each of the different areas are set out by legislation and there are 12 local

[0:07:01] Voice 1: trust areas that each have their own local trust committee like the one you have meeting today

[0:07:06] Voice 1: and they have land use planning authorities under part 14 of the local government act

[0:07:10] Voice 1: and we also have bowen island which has a municipal council and all the powers of a

[0:07:14] Voice 1: regular municipality, and two of those councillors sit on Islands Trust Council as trustees.

[0:07:21] Voice 1: And here is how everyone comes together. You've got all the local trust committees coming together

[0:07:25] Voice 1: as trust council, which then votes in an executive committee, and then we'll talk later about their

[0:07:30] Voice 1: role in approving bylaws, and then appoints members to the Conservancy Board, which undertakes land

[0:07:36] Voice 1: conservation for Islands Trust. And here's the Islands Trust object. This is set out in legislation

[0:07:43] Voice 1: and is um what guides all of our work um it's section 15 of the islands trust act and within

[0:07:50] Voice 1: that it um sets out that um we will preserve and protect for the benefit of the residents of the

[0:07:56] Voice 1: trust area and british columbia generally in cooperation with a number of other bodies

[0:08:01] Voice 1: including first nations and really this was a response to rampant subdivision that was happening

[0:08:07] Voice 1: in the 1970s to ensure that there's careful and sensitive decisions made around the future of the

[0:08:11] Voice 1: the islands uh this bylaw that you're about to be about to be talking about this proposed bylaw

[0:08:18] Voice 1: in the legislation it states that trust council must adopt a policy statement and it has to be

[0:08:23] Voice 1: a general statement of policies to carry out the object of the trust which we've just seen there

[0:08:28] Voice 1: and here's our diagram for those of you in the back row it's probably difficult to see

[0:08:33] Voice 1: but essentially the policy statement um acts as our overarching document and it guides how

[0:08:39] Voice 1: how official community plans are then developed,

[0:08:41] Voice 1: which then guides how land use bylaws are developed,

[0:08:44] Voice 1: which then guides the form and character of your island

[0:08:47] Voice 1: and the island landscape that we all enjoy and love.

[0:08:51] Voice 1: A couple other rules for the policy statement,

[0:08:54] Voice 1: it guides Islands Trust Council strategic plan.

[0:08:57] Voice 1: So when they're looking at topics and priorities,

[0:09:00] Voice 1: they'll reference this document

[0:09:02] Voice 1: to look what's set out there.

[0:09:04] Voice 1: And as we mentioned earlier, it guides the review.

[0:09:08] Voice 1: Not only does it guide the development of the official community plans and land use bylaws, but it guides executive committees' review of them to ensure that they're not contrary to or at variance with the policy statement.

[0:09:22] Voice 1: Also, it guides how we interact with other levels of government.

[0:09:26] Voice 1: So it informs any responses to referrals that we get from provincial government on various initiatives or decisions that they have.

[0:09:33] Voice 1: It also informs the types of grant applications and funding requests that we put together.

[0:09:37] Voice 1: we can look to the themes and priorities of the policy statement and anticipate what funding

[0:09:43] Voice 1: opportunities might be available to go after. And when we're negotiating agreements, we'll often

[0:09:48] Voice 1: look to the policies in the policy statement that's been adopted by Trust Council to guide

[0:09:52] Voice 1: the content of those agreements. In the same way, it guides relationships with regional districts

[0:09:59] Voice 1: and regional governments in the same manner. So it helps how we respond to their referrals.

[0:10:05] Voice 1: referrals when they have applications when we have applications from regional districts around

[0:10:11] Voice 1: things that affect land use changes such as affordable housing applications or so on we look

[0:10:17] Voice 1: to the policy statement to help respond to those referrals and again when we're negotiating

[0:10:21] Voice 1: agreements we'll steer back to that document to seek guidance okay so the policy statement project

[0:10:30] Voice 1: has been underway since 2019 and I can let you know I've been involved in previous projects to

[0:10:35] Voice 1: try and amend it since far before that. In May of 2024, the Islands Trust Committee of the Whole

[0:10:42] Voice 1: received a draft and that reflected previous amendments that had been made at the direction

[0:10:47] Voice 1: of the Islands Trust Council prior to the last local election. And we've also received a tremendous

[0:10:54] Voice 1: amount of input from Indigenous governing bodies and the public over time. And all of that has

[0:10:59] Voice 1: has been considered by trustees as they've met more than a dozen times this year to amend the

[0:11:05] Voice 1: draft document first through the trust programs committee then through committee of the whole

[0:11:09] Voice 1: and trust council itself there's been a tremendous amount of time and effort put in and my thanks to

[0:11:15] Voice 1: all members of the public who have contributed their views in previous public engagement rounds

[0:11:19] Voice 1: and we're really looking forward to hearing from you again so what is in this document

[0:11:24] Voice 1: Oh, before I get to that, I'll just say we've got a timeline available on the Islands 2050 page, sort of lets you know where we're at in the trajectory of the project.

[0:11:32] Voice 1: But right now, here we are seeking public input and referral responses from local trust committees to inform the next round of drafting.

[0:11:42] Voice 1: We also have it out to referral to Indigenous governing bodies and all levels of provincial government agencies and regional districts and improvement districts as well.

[0:11:55] Voice 1: So this is just a very detailed slide you won't be able to read, letting you know all the previous engagement, but suffice to say, if you look at the Islands 2050 webpage on our website, it's got all the history and all the content of what the input that's been received to date.

[0:12:10] Voice 1: So quickly, what's in the draft? We have set it out into three big categories. One is guiding principles. The next is directive policies and advisory policies.

[0:12:20] Voice 1: policies. Chair Elliott spoke to those at the beginning so I won't linger too much.

[0:12:24] Voice 1: Just know that directive policies are the ones that really guide the mandatory content

[0:12:30] Voice 1: or topics that need to be addressed within official community plans.

[0:12:35] Voice 1: So for reconciliation, just know that this is a focus of the draft policy statement.

[0:12:42] Voice 1: It reflects a really strong commitment of Trust Council and reflects that the Minister

[0:12:47] Voice 1: of Housing and Municipal Affairs has recently told Trust Council that it needs to work towards

[0:12:52] Voice 1: consensus with First Nations on the development of this document and I would expect our work

[0:12:57] Voice 1: generally. The draft content in the draft bylaw reflects feedback that we've had in recent years

[0:13:03] Voice 1: from Indigenous governing bodies and we're really looking forward to hearing from them of what they

[0:13:07] Voice 1: think of how we've tried to incorporate their feedback and hear their next suggestions for

[0:13:11] Voice 1: improvements. The next big theme is climate change and so this reflects council's declaration of a

[0:13:20] Voice 1: climate emergency and there's policies in here that touch on topics such as fresh water, hazardous

[0:13:25] Voice 1: areas, setback from the sea and ecosystem protection generally. The next big theme is housing

[0:13:33] Voice 1: reflecting a workforce housing emergency declaration that council made and within here

[0:13:41] Voice 1: there's topics around where we put housing, the types of housing that we have, looking for a

[0:13:47] Voice 1: diversity of housing types, for example, and direction around clustering of small dwelling

[0:13:51] Voice 1: units. There's a real variety in there. We've heard strongly from the public that there's a desire

[0:13:57] Voice 1: on islands, and I heard this on Liskiti itself, to be able to age in place. So looking for housing

[0:14:03] Voice 1: stock in the future that supports people aging on their islands, and also having more housing

[0:14:08] Voice 1: types available for our workforce. We have a lot of aging housing stock and we're looking

[0:14:13] Voice 1: forward to the future around how we can plan best for our communities. Next steps. We have

[0:14:22] Voice 1: passed first reading in July. So now we have a six month period to seek feedback from all the

[0:14:27] Voice 1: parties that I've spoken about earlier. And that includes the public. So we're looking forward to

[0:14:32] Voice 1: hearing from all of you. We have a survey out in public and there should be some print copies

[0:14:37] Voice 1: available in key locations on your island. And we are seeking referral feedback from all of the

[0:14:44] Voice 1: local trust committees in Bowen Island Municipality, from all the agencies I mentioned. And in the

[0:14:49] Voice 1: spring, we're going to take everything that's been contributed so far and work with Trust Council to

[0:14:53] Voice 1: redraft the document to incorporate all the feedback that's been received. And Trust Council

[0:14:58] Voice 1: is currently aiming to get to third reading by next fall prior to, or sorry, get to first reading

[0:15:05] Voice 1: earlier in the year get it to the minister and try and have it adopted by next fall before the

[0:15:11] Voice 1: local government elections. So with that I'll stop sharing but looking forward to hearing your

[0:15:18] Voice 1: questions and the local trust committee I'm sure is looking forward to hearing comments

[0:15:22] Voice 1: that would inform their referral response. Thank you very much.

[0:15:28] Trustee Elliott: Thank you Claire and just a question

[0:15:30] Trustee Elliott: question before we get into questions for the public. We've got some time. So February 6th

[0:15:38] Trustee Elliott: is the deadline for local trust committees to provide their comments. The Skidi local trust

[0:15:45] Trustee Elliott: committee has one more meeting before then. So if we don't have time to formulate a response from

[0:15:52] Trustee Elliott: the LTC, is December, that's going to be enough time to be able to give a response?

[0:15:58] Voice 1: Yes, that would be just fine.

[0:16:00] Trustee Elliott: okay that's great so we don't have to make a referral font today but that's definitely an

[0:16:05] Trustee Elliott: option okay so um i'll turn my screen around that's okay now i'd like to keep a speaker's

[0:16:13] Trustee Elliott: list so does anybody have questions that they'd like to ask us or like the freighter

[0:16:18] Trustee Elliott: and so one two what's your name sir thank you that's right

[0:16:23] Voice 23: okay yeah and we need one over

[0:16:30] Voice 23: your name sir? John. John. She'll get you to keep it. All right. Thanks. Um and

[0:16:42] Voice 12: hello here.

[0:16:56] Trustee Elliott: Okay well let's start with um Mr. Weiner.

[0:16:59] Voice 18: Uh yes I have a question about this proposed policy

[0:17:05] Voice 18: statement. What does it say about private docs and are these directive policies or

[0:17:12] Voice 18: advisory policy?

[0:17:16] Trustee Elliott: Actually it would be helpful if we could if you've got

[0:17:20] Trustee Elliott: questions like that let's let's queue them up so staff can have a chance to

[0:17:23] Trustee Elliott: get to it and then we'll go through the answers unless you're ready to go there

[0:17:28] Trustee Elliott: Claire.

[0:17:30] Voice 1: Yeah I can speak to that I've got the document open. Great okay I'll answer that by

[0:17:37] Voice 1: running through what's currently in the draft document. The first reference to docs is in the

[0:17:42] Voice 1: recreation policies and the like directive policies and it states that all communities

[0:17:48] Voice 1: should identify and support safe public access and routes to get to community marinas boat launches

[0:17:54] Voice 1: and docks. The next reference is that there is a directive policy around in the marine shorelines

[0:18:05] Voice 1: section that's directing communities to identify opportunities for sharing of coastal facilities

[0:18:11] Voice 1: such as dock, swarves, floats, jetties, boathouses, boardwalks, and causeways. So this is looking to

[0:18:16] Voice 1: minimize the number of docks that are there and promote sharing when possible. The next reference

[0:18:23] Voice 1: is in again in the marine shoreline section under directives is asking local trust committees to

[0:18:29] Voice 1: consider the cumulative impacts or cumulative effects of docks and to limit or prohibit new

[0:18:35] Voice 1: docks in areas identified as culturally significant by indigenous governing bodies

[0:18:39] Voice 1: in areas that provide critical habitat for species at risk and in areas of regional

[0:18:44] Voice 1: significance so yeah that's the totality of what's mentioned as to docks okay thank you

[0:18:53] Voice 1: that's

[0:18:54] Voice 18: in the existing policy the

[0:18:55] Voice 1: draft this would be in the draft proposed policy statement

[0:19:00] Voice 1: yeah okay

[0:19:04] Trustee Elliott: and we have Ezra um

[0:19:07] Voice 8: my question um is with respect to the rights of property

[0:19:13] Voice 6: um this is being put forward to 2050 and why this is growing around the world

[0:19:22] Voice 6: to have legislation that affects property as having a way

[0:19:27] Voice 6: of particularly environmentally sensitive.

[0:19:33] Voice 6: Is there any provision in this grant policy statement

[0:19:38] Voice 6: to address or facilitate that over the next 30 years?

[0:19:46] Voice 6: By then, it should be a pretty normal paradigm

[0:19:49] Voice 6: paradigm for all the regional and federal governments.

[0:19:54] Trustee Elliott: Can I just ask to clarify, when you say property

[0:19:57] Trustee Elliott: rights, or do you mean rights of nature, like elements of nature?

[0:20:02] Trustee Elliott: Because in the second part you sort of talked about environmental or ecosystem

[0:20:05] Trustee Elliott: rights.

[0:20:07] Voice 6: Examples would include rivers that have

[0:20:09] Voice 6: been deemed to have their own rights, wetlands that have been

[0:20:13] Voice 6: deemed to have their own rights. It's an extension of

[0:20:25] Voice 6: I would like to see that that was included in the draft because it's not okay hopefully it's in

[0:20:34] Voice 6: there director frader

[0:20:37] Trustee Elliott: can you point us to any uh policies that have or would enshrine um higher

[0:20:45] Trustee Elliott: set of rights for um environmental and natural elements there

[0:20:53] Voice 1: yes i can speak to that there are

[0:20:54] Voice 1: no explicit policies that speak to the rights of nature there are some policies that talk about

[0:21:00] Voice 1: priority protection for certain types of ecosystems

[0:21:03] Voice 12: um

[0:21:06] Trustee Elliott: that would be good feedback

[0:21:10] Trustee Elliott: back um sir if you so example forest ecosystems i'm looking at there's a whole section of directive

[0:21:17] Trustee Elliott: policies for ecosystem integrity um and so the first one would be protected area networks

[0:21:24] Trustee Elliott: identify establish and sustain a network of protected areas of sufficient size and distribution

[0:21:31] Trustee Elliott: to preserve the environmental integrity of ecosystems in their planning area so the way

[0:21:37] Trustee Elliott: the document um phrases it is when there's a an ecosystem type like uh cliff freshwater herbaceous

[0:21:45] Trustee Elliott: old and mature forest riparian wetland woodland these should be identified and prioritized for

[0:21:52] Trustee Elliott: protection through your official community plan how each community's official community plan

[0:21:57] Trustee Elliott: does that because it's based on the you know the topography and geography and what's developed here

[0:22:04] Trustee Elliott: I think would be unique to each community, but the overarching policy would be that there should

[0:22:11] Trustee Elliott: be policies that identify and prioritize that preservation. So if you want stronger language,

[0:22:19] Trustee Elliott: I know that the town of Gibsons passed in 2019 Rights of Nature Declaration, and they have some

[0:22:27] Trustee Elliott: pretty strong policies around that. So I don't know if this document goes as far as you were

[0:22:33] Trustee Elliott: imagining but it's not even close okay then I would say put that in for the feedback please

[0:22:40] Trustee Elliott: it's important and then we've got Dave Olson yeah

[0:22:46] Voice 4: I have a number of questions the first

[0:22:48] Voice 4: one is there's 85 policies can you director of greater confirm there's 85 new policies

[0:22:56] Voice 4: policies in this policy statement?

[0:22:59] Trustee Elliott: I don't know. So new policies, some of them are very similar

[0:23:05] Trustee Elliott: to the existing ones. So I don't know how you characterize them as new, but how many policies

[0:23:10] Trustee Elliott: total would there be? Do you know? Maybe you can ask your second question and let our research

[0:23:16] Trustee Elliott: staff.

[0:23:19] Voice 4: So she also mentioned that there is an election in a year. Yes. And so my next question

[0:23:27] Voice 4: is why is this policy statement not being posed as a referendum during that

[0:23:35] Voice 4: election? You have an election coming up, you have 85 new policies for people to

[0:23:40] Voice 4: consider and you're looking for feedback. It's great to have consultations to

[0:23:46] Voice 4: learn from the residents that live here and what I'm suggesting is that you

[0:23:54] Voice 4: you would need to have a referendum to have legal rights to impose these policies,

[0:24:01] Voice 4: especially some of them that are transferring governance to other bodies.

[0:24:08] Trustee Elliott: Okay, there's a few implied statements in that question that are not correct.

[0:24:13] Trustee Elliott: I don't think there's a transfer of governance happening.

[0:24:17] Trustee Elliott: This is a requirement by the Ministry of Municipal Affairs and Housing

[0:24:21] Trustee Elliott: that Islands Trust hold this policy.

[0:24:25] Trustee Elliott: see how it undertakes engagement with community members and members of the public is up to

[0:24:31] Trustee Elliott: Islands Trust and the current council seeing what had happened in 2019 where there wasn't

[0:24:38] Trustee Elliott: enough time for feedback and people felt rushed this council asked for a six-month period

[0:24:45] Trustee Elliott: so when we finally got to a draft that this council feels comfortable with now it's time

[0:24:51] Trustee Elliott: to bring it out to the public and it's really not it's far too nuanced to be an election issue in

[0:24:57] Trustee Elliott: my view i don't know what um my co-trustees want to comment this is more of a political question

[0:25:03] Trustee Elliott: but if there's anything um staff can add to that as to why this engagement method was chosen and

[0:25:09] Trustee Elliott: why it wouldn't be a referendum i think was the question i

[0:25:17] Voice 1: would say i see jesse did trustee

[0:25:19] Voice 1: Peterson want to speak to that?

[0:25:21] Voice 3: I did yeah I was wanting to see if staff had a comment but I can

[0:25:26] Voice 3: comment as well.

[0:25:29] Voice 1: Certainly I can say it's a it's an Island Trust Council bylaw so it's following

[0:25:33] Voice 1: the typical bylaw adoption process where it undertakes first reading we undertake community

[0:25:38] Voice 1: consultation in this case extensively and then it is redrafted hearing that feedback and then

[0:25:44] Voice 1: taken for second and third reading and then goes to the minister for approval prior to consideration

[0:25:49] Voice 1: of final adoption there's many steps along the way there um in terms of looking at what what

[0:25:56] Voice 1: information trust council gets prior to considering final adoption

[0:26:01] Voice 14: well

[0:26:03] Voice 3: yeah i would just add that

[0:26:05] Voice 3: that would be uh um i can see some potential problems with making it a referendum i would

[0:26:14] Voice 3: would definitely lean on the legislative director to outline that more.

[0:26:20] Voice 3: But because of the object that states that we work in cooperation

[0:26:27] Voice 3: with other governments, agencies, and First Nations,

[0:26:30] Voice 3: that could be problematic from a legal perspective.

[0:26:33] Voice 3: But of course, I don't know that for sure.

[0:26:35] Voice 3: But I think the other thing that's important is that trust.

[0:26:37] Voice 3: If that wasn't problematic from a legal point of view,

[0:26:40] Voice 3: then trust council would have to make the decision uh to put it to a referendum which hasn't come up

[0:26:46] Voice 3: but um you could obviously you could recommend that as something for a trust council to think

[0:26:53] Voice 3: about thank you can we just follow up because no

[0:26:56] Trustee Elliott: sir so you had one more question about the

[0:26:59] Trustee Elliott: director of policies and then i'd like to go through the list so others have a chance to answer

[0:27:02] Trustee Elliott: a question we can come back to your other ones so we

[0:27:05] Voice 12: have a number

[0:27:05] Trustee Elliott: of electives or the directive

[0:27:09] of

[0:27:09] Trustee Elliott: policies director for that first question i

[0:27:12] Voice 1: have not had an opportunity to count them

[0:27:13] Voice 1: i'm

[0:27:14] Voice 4: sure you you mentioned that governance is not an issue on page six of the policy statement

[0:27:22] Voice 4: which is page 32 of the agenda package it says and i quote the expressed interest of indigenous

[0:27:31] Voice 4: governing bodies in working toward co-governance of the island's trust area on page 11

[0:27:38] Voice 4: of the policy statement, page 32 of the agenda packet,

[0:27:43] Voice 4: it says, and I quote,

[0:27:44] Voice 4: land use management decisions that impact their territories

[0:27:49] Voice 4: and to build foundations for collaborative governance

[0:27:53] Voice 4: and shared decision-making.

[0:27:56] Trustee Elliott: Indeed, that is the express wish of many First Nations

[0:28:00] Trustee Elliott: in the trust area, to work towards collaborative governance.

[0:28:03] Trustee Elliott: We've heard that many, many times.

[0:28:05] Trustee Elliott: and so this document is really standing on developing a framework and moving

[0:28:15] Trustee Elliott: towards working together it's not there yet so this document does not promise

[0:28:21] Trustee Elliott: co-governance there

[0:28:23] Voice 4: are many policies so okay

[0:28:25] Trustee Elliott: I encourage you to give your

[0:28:28] Trustee Elliott: feedback in let's move on to i just

[0:28:31] Voice 3: add one comment there um for co-governance um given

[0:28:36] Voice 3: the islands trust act the way it's written the province would have to agree to amend the act

[0:28:40] Voice 3: itself um so otherwise anything that's not um permissible in the act currently trust council

[0:28:49] Voice 3: doesn't have the ability to unilaterally change the province would have to get on board with

[0:28:54] Voice 3: changing the Act.

[0:28:57] Trustee Elliott: Or there would be a development of a Section 7 agreement under DIPA, which is

[0:29:02] Trustee Elliott: quite a long process.

[0:29:03] Voice 3: Which is also the province having to get all this out.

[0:29:06] Voice 3: Dr.

[0:29:06] Trustee Elliott: Prater, do you have any comments on the co-governance aspect or working towards

[0:29:12] Trustee Elliott: the expressed wishes of nations? No,

[0:29:15] Voice 1: I think you've covered the salient points.

[0:29:18] Voice 1: Okay, John.

[0:29:22] Voice 5: I looked at 2.423 transportation

[0:29:26] Voice 5: Yeah.

[0:29:29] Voice 5: And basically the policy dot, which is basically deteriorating very rapidly, and it should have a basic structural engineer assess it.

[0:29:40] Voice 5: And basically, if that dock goes down, which it will, where's the money that's going to

[0:29:48] Voice 5: fix it?

[0:29:48] Voice 5: Because I'm on the Harvest Board, French Creek, trying to meet with the AFO standing.

[0:29:51] Voice 5: They don't want nothing to do with Mesquitee.

[0:29:53] Voice 5: They want to divest that dock.

[0:29:54] Voice 5: There's no income from that dock.

[0:29:56] Voice 5: And basically, they have zero money to do anything.

[0:30:00] Voice 5: So what's the trust going to do about that? Is there a putting them on the side to deal with the thing?

[0:30:05] Voice 5: Because that dock goes down, the ski is basically done, and also, if you remember back in front of the creek in the day,

[0:30:12] Voice 5: they had the old dock, it got assessed, and there were weight restrictions put on it, which there should be in this dock,

[0:30:17] Voice 5: because when it goes down into the dump truck, there's an old sign saying that you can't, and

[0:30:21] Voice 5: that dock can collapse.

[0:30:25] Voice 5: And it's going to be down to the fact that that dock is going to be walking access only

[0:30:29] Voice 5: from that club if it gets deteriorated some more.

[0:30:32] Voice 5: I mean,

[0:30:33] Voice 5: the trust was going to have no problem spending tens of millions, hundreds of thousands

[0:30:36] Voice 5: to take John Kerry's report over his stock, which is being used.

[0:30:40] Voice 5: Why don't they take that money that they would have used and put it in a fund to rebuild

[0:30:44] Voice 5: the Falls Rade Dock as necessary?

[0:30:47] Trustee Elliott: I would venture to suggest that's going to be a discussion for the OCP, but how this

[0:30:52] Trustee Elliott: this is framed in the policy statement as you said that community facilities and services that's 3.44

[0:30:58] Trustee Elliott: um to ensure it's a this is a big part and i don't actually know how this works out in practice

[0:31:07] Trustee Elliott: other than each community ocp has to ensure that its communities current and projected long-term

[0:31:15] Trustee Elliott: needs are considered and planned for um does islands trust have the ability to fund um for

[0:31:24] Trustee Elliott: a reinvestment in the dock so

[0:31:28] Voice 3: i'll just speak to that briefly um the local trust committee i think

[0:31:34] Voice 3: it was in december wrote to the department of transportation minister transportation that is a

[0:31:41] Voice 3: federal facility um asking why no funding had been allocated to the repair as we saw

[0:31:49] Voice 3: funding allocated up and down the coast to other docks including two on salt spring zero for

[0:31:56] Voice 3: liskini we got back a reply which was uh extremely disappointing saying that you know they last

[0:32:01] Voice 3: looked at it uh a couple years ago and they're gonna come look at it again i think in 2026.

[0:32:07] Voice 3: sticks uh also brought this up with our uh our member of parliament who uh of course being an

[0:32:15] Voice 3: opposition has limited ability to give any actions but uh the feds own it the feds are responsible

[0:32:21] Voice 3: for it we know they want to divest but they can't uh they haven't been able to find anyone willing

[0:32:27] Voice 3: to take it on but the only thing should have

[0:32:31] Voice 5: an engineer go through it somebody should assess it

[0:32:33] Voice 5: well absolutely if something happens who's liable say something drives a dump truck down there

[0:32:37] Voice 5: it's who's liable as

[0:32:40] Voice 3: far as i know it's saying

[0:32:41] Voice 5: that that dog should be assessed as it is for

[0:32:46] Voice 3: safety reasons chris i i absolutely agree and that's what we were asking uh the feds and they

[0:32:54] Voice 3: said we we have a schedule we're going to come look at it i believe it was in 2026.

[0:33:02] Voice 5: i don't know

[0:33:03] Voice 5: down but they say they have zero one so basically oh i wouldn't be surprised if that's what you're

[0:33:08] Voice 5: saying yeah you're doing that in front of two things yeah thank

[0:33:13] Trustee Elliott: you john that's a good very

[0:33:14] Trustee Elliott: good point because it's you can have a policy that says do the thing but if there's no money

[0:33:18] Trustee Elliott: to do the thing that's where does it actually work out of practice yeah i hear you um so let's

[0:33:25] Trustee Elliott: keep moving through we've got ronaldo yes i

[0:33:30] Voice 8: don't know if this is the right time i'd like to speak

[0:33:33] Voice 8: about this whole recreation outfit that wants to take over you want to

[0:33:38] Trustee Elliott: get to that later in

[0:33:39] Trustee Elliott: the agenda and there will be ample opportunity for everyone to speak to that yeah um and anna

[0:33:51] Trustee Elliott: thanks carl yeah

[0:33:54] Voice 6: a couple of things uh you missed one tribe in your acknowledgement the musqueam

[0:33:58] Voice 6: because I see from the map that you've put in the policy statement

[0:34:02] Voice 6: that you're also claiming English Bay and the outer delta of the Fraser River.

[0:34:10] Voice 6: So you missed the Musqueam in your acknowledgments.

[0:34:13] Voice 6: And I'm curious how a foreign operation is, it says right here,

[0:34:23] Voice 6: I don't trust council will be informed by the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People

[0:34:29] Voice 6: as a framework for its approach. And you're dealing with a foreign outfit, an outfit from

[0:34:39] Voice 6: outside the country seems to be taking part of the lead in your Indigenous, your focus on

[0:34:49] Voice 6: indigenous because indigenous is almost on every page here and i am curious who are the

[0:34:56] Voice 6: indigenous knowledge holders that you are negotiating with who are they every tribe

[0:35:03] Voice 6: is different every tribe has they all consider themselves the people each tribe

[0:35:12] Voice 6: that's very common in their thing and who are these people that you're dealing with because

[0:35:18] Voice 6: because we also would like to talk to them.

[0:35:21] Voice 6: There's one question.

[0:35:22] Trustee Elliott: Okay, so the first part as to how the inherent rights

[0:35:28] Trustee Elliott: is expressed in the UN Declaration.

[0:35:31] Trustee Elliott: Who wants to take that one on?

[0:35:33] Trustee Elliott: And then who is the Islands Trust engaging with

[0:35:36] Trustee Elliott: in terms of getting feedback from the 30 nations?

[0:35:42] Trustee Elliott: There are 30 nations with whose territory we operate in.

[0:35:45] Trustee Elliott: And Director Frieder, I'll let you take the second one.

[0:35:50] Trustee Elliott: It's quite simple, really.

[0:35:52] Trustee Elliott: Our Constitution enshrines the rights of Indigenous people,

[0:35:55] Trustee Elliott: but they have the same rights as everybody else in Canada.

[0:36:00] Trustee Elliott: So Section 35 in 1982.

[0:36:03] Voice 8: I have it right here.

[0:36:04] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[0:36:04] Trustee Elliott: So that is enshrined in the Constitution Act.

[0:36:07] Trustee Elliott: The UN Declaration simply made this a global issue,

[0:36:12] Trustee Elliott: And we are ensuring that from the international, to the federal, to the provincial, to the local level, that we follow all of the laws of the land to ensure that the rights of Indigenous peoples are upheld as everyone else's rights are.

[0:36:31] Trustee Elliott: Yeah,

[0:36:31] Voice 6: it states quite clearly in Section 25A and 34, Section 25 and 35, that the treaties shall be upheld.

[0:36:43] Voice 6: And then there's a little addition on it that says, for great certainty, in Subsection 1,

[0:36:51] Voice 6: treaty rights include rights that now exist by way of land claims agreements, or may be so acquired.

[0:36:59] Voice 6: So the Island Trust seems to be pushing very hard on the maybe so acquired size of it.

[0:37:08] Voice 6: That's straight out of

[0:37:10] Voice 12: Section

[0:37:12] Voice 6: 25 and 35. Both of them use the same term.

[0:37:16] Voice 6: So to have a body pushing to force people to divest of their, what they've had so-called under the Constitution of Canada, to force them to divest for a group on which you have, the public has no say.

[0:37:40] Voice 6: Okay, so

[0:37:41] Trustee Elliott: there is no consideration of divestment of private lands?

[0:37:46] Trustee Elliott: either now or in this policy statement,

[0:37:48] Trustee Elliott: that is just simply not true.

[0:37:52] Trustee Elliott: What I think you're pointing to

[0:37:54] Trustee Elliott: is that we are cooperating with First Nations

[0:37:57] Trustee Elliott: through the existing referral process.

[0:38:00] Trustee Elliott: There is nothing promised that is more.

[0:38:02] Trustee Elliott: We've had extensive legal review of this document

[0:38:07] Trustee Elliott: to ensure that we are staying

[0:38:09] Trustee Elliott: within our legislative authority

[0:38:11] Trustee Elliott: and not promising or presenting anything more

[0:38:16] Trustee Elliott: more than what the Islands Trust Act prescribes.

[0:38:20] Trustee Elliott: So I don't know if Director Frater, you can add to that.

[0:38:23] Trustee Elliott: There's, as to where this document sits in terms of,

[0:38:29] Trustee Elliott: I mean, divestment of private property

[0:38:31] Trustee Elliott: is just not even a consideration.

[0:38:32] Trustee Elliott: So I don't know how that-

[0:38:35] Trustee Elliott: Can you

[0:38:35] Voice 6: talk to the people in the garbage recently?

[0:38:38] Voice 6: People that are non-native?

[0:38:41] Trustee Elliott: If you're talking about the Rising Tides

[0:38:44] Trustee Elliott: land title accord, that is an entirely different area.

[0:38:47] Trustee Elliott: and they have scrupulously considered the rights of landowners through that agreement.

[0:38:54] Trustee Elliott: This document is nothing like that.

[0:38:56] Trustee Elliott: The same law.

[0:38:58] Trustee Elliott: I forgot the second question. What was the second question?

[0:39:05] Voice 6: Well, I was wondering why you were pushing the UN declaration so hard,

[0:39:11] Voice 6: because it's literally pretty much on every page here.

[0:39:15] Voice 6: well

[0:39:16] Trustee Elliott: british columbia has signed on and ratified the un declaration through the declaration act

[0:39:23] Trustee Elliott: that is law how it is reflected in our statutes of which there are 90 something in british columbia

[0:39:31] Trustee Elliott: laws those have not yet been changed to even reflect the basic principles of drip up this is a

[0:39:39] Trustee Elliott: a challenge for many first nations because they're saying drip enshrines undrip principles

[0:39:48] Trustee Elliott: but yet it hasn't changed the local government act it hasn't changed the islands trust act it

[0:39:52] Trustee Elliott: hasn't promised co-governance so there's a lot that's aspirational and there's a lot that still

[0:39:58] Trustee Elliott: has to be worked out on the ground and this policy statement is a commitment to an ongoing efforts

[0:40:05] Trustee Elliott: to co-develop planning and land use management processes

[0:40:09] Trustee Elliott: within our legislative authority

[0:40:12] Trustee Elliott: together with all the communities

[0:40:14] Trustee Elliott: who are affected in the trust area.

[0:40:16] Trustee Elliott: That includes First Nations residents and visitors.

[0:40:19] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:40:19] Voice 6: Under section 23.6,

[0:40:24] Voice 6: under providing public identification opportunities,

[0:40:28] Voice 6: you have, you say you're going to

[0:40:33] Voice 6: respect the confidentiality interest of indigenous knowledge holders and again this mythical

[0:40:41] Voice 6: um person or mythical um government who are these um indigenous knowledge holders

[0:40:51] Voice 6: and what's the confidentiality interest in there

[0:40:57] Trustee Elliott: that's a good question uh director

[0:40:59] Trustee Elliott: Dr. Freyder, can you say who are the Indigenous governing bodies that we are speaking to and how are those confidentiality interests respected?

[0:41:09] Voice 1: Yes, happy to. So I think I'll respond first to the earlier question was how do we cooperate and how do we work together?

[0:41:16] Voice 1: I'll just answer that first, if I might, which is that when we put together bylaws, the minister requires that we engage with the nations who have an interest in a particular area in question.

[0:41:27] Voice 1: and we use what's called a consultative area database of the province to identify which

[0:41:32] Voice 1: nations have an interest in that particular area or have territory in that area and then we use

[0:41:37] Voice 1: that list to do staff to staff referrals mostly to seek input and their views oftentimes they have

[0:41:44] Voice 1: knowledge of the area that we don't hold they've got extra great maps they have all kinds of

[0:41:48] Voice 1: knowledge that we can use to make really good decisions about the area with regard to who

[0:41:54] Voice 1: indigenous knowledge holders are it differs from community to community who they will identify

[0:41:59] Voice 1: but often they're elders in the community who have the benefit of holding um traditional knowledge

[0:42:06] Voice 1: about the place and they will often know specifics that we don't know in our communities around the

[0:42:13] Voice 1: historical use the cultural value of a particular location that they can share with us that we can

[0:42:19] Voice 1: then incorporate in local trust committees can incorporate into their decision making

[0:42:22] Voice 1: making as they contemplate how land use might change in a certain area.

[0:42:30] Trustee Elliott: I think we'll have to leave it there for now, Carl, if we can come

[0:42:32] Voice 14: back to you.

[0:42:34] Trustee Elliott: I've got two more people

[0:42:35] Voice 14: on the list.

[0:42:38] Trustee Elliott: Otis and then Shauna.

[0:42:40] Trustee Elliott: And I have a couple more questions.

[0:42:43] Trustee Elliott: Who's raising their hands back up, please?

[0:42:45] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, at least beyond the speakers.

[0:42:47] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[0:42:48] Trustee Elliott: So Otis?

[0:42:51] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, hi.

[0:42:56] Voice 10: I was kind of wondering what an Indigenous person is.

[0:43:01] Voice 10: I have a feeling that we're all Indigenous to this planet,

[0:43:07] Voice 10: unless there's somebody here from Mars.

[0:43:10] Voice 10: The so-called Indigenous people are also immigrants.

[0:43:15] Voice 10: They crossed over maybe a little earlier than my parents did.

[0:43:20] Voice 10: but under our constitution all children born in this country have the same rights so

[0:43:31] Trustee Elliott: i would say

[0:43:32] Trustee Elliott: that while everyone has the same rights they also have the same rights to comment on processes that

[0:43:38] Trustee Elliott: will affect their interests and historically for 250 years since settlement and homesteading in

[0:43:44] Trustee Elliott: the trust area um we have had a system that accords the rights to folks who have come more

[0:43:54] Trustee Elliott: recently what islands trust and all local governments in british columbia are trying to do

[0:44:01] Trustee Elliott: is recognize respect and call into that picture the indigenous people who have lived here since

[0:44:09] Trustee Elliott: time immemorial there isn't more special it's just adding to our understanding so that we can

[0:44:15] Trustee Elliott: make better decisions so indigenous people who have rights in hoyate include the qualicum comox

[0:44:24] Trustee Elliott: i don't believe musqueam that's part of sort of gambier keeps local trust area um who am i

[0:44:30] Trustee Elliott: forgetting so

[0:44:33] Voice 17: there's

[0:44:35] Trustee Elliott: about six or seven first nations and they're called indigenous governing

[0:44:39] Trustee Elliott: bodies. They have their own governance structure. And so we ask them, what do you think of this

[0:44:44] Trustee Elliott: bylaw? Just like we're asking you today, what do you think of this bylaw? You have the opportunity

[0:44:49] Trustee Elliott: to comment. They have the opportunity to comment. That's what this whole process is about.

[0:44:54] Voice 10: One small follow-up question. I'm actually older than the state of Israel. I'm older than Pakistan.

[0:45:05] Voice 10: Yes.

[0:45:06] Voice 10: And I'm older than the United Nations, so what do I know?

[0:45:12] Voice 10: What is your definition of racism?

[0:45:15] Voice 10: What is a racist?

[0:45:19] Trustee Elliott: I would say it's any policy, practice, or speech that discriminates against another

[0:45:25] Trustee Elliott: person on the basis of their race.

[0:45:28] Voice 10: Bingo!

[0:45:30] Voice 10: Why do you discriminate against white people?

[0:45:35] Trustee Elliott: if i'm accused of discriminating against white people i encourage you to tell me how

[0:45:40] Trustee Elliott: and i'm happy to change not

[0:45:45] Voice 9: necessarily right now well

[0:45:48] Trustee Elliott: if we can get back to the policy statement

[0:45:49] Trustee Elliott: and questions about it um i i hear your concerns and that you want to be considered as an equal

[0:45:58] Trustee Elliott: and important representative voice

[0:45:59] Voice 10: my daughter was born on this island she was raised here

[0:46:03] Voice 10: Now you're bringing in people who have never seen this place

[0:46:07] Voice 10: and giving them governance.

[0:46:10] Voice 10: If that is not racism, then I'm from Mars.

[0:46:14] Trustee Elliott: I have said before that nothing in this document promises co-governance.

[0:46:19] Trustee Elliott: Actually, we cannot go that far.

[0:46:24] Trustee Elliott: Thank you, sir.

[0:46:27] Voice 23: Shauna?

[0:46:28] Voice 23: Yeah,

[0:46:28] Voice 22: I am wondering, like, what there was earlier, the direct, what is that lady who's

[0:46:38] Voice 22: Yeah, yeah, she was speaking about the new recommended policies on boat ramps.

[0:46:49] Voice 22: Excuse

[0:46:49] Voice 21: me, can you speak a little louder?

[0:46:51] Voice 22: Okay, sorry.

[0:46:58] Voice 22: I'm just wondering how the policies on boat docks, how the new policies differ from the old ones.

[0:47:08] Voice 22: I guess because, Monica, I would like to see Mesquite keep the same policies where any new private boat docks would be considered on a case-by-case basis,

[0:47:21] Voice 22: um and with consideration of if they don't harm the environment too much or

[0:47:30] Voice 22: or uh but or if they're considered of um to be of benefit to the community um and yeah

[0:47:42] Voice 22: so i mean i so

[0:47:46] Trustee Elliott: how how do the proposed policies differ from the current policy statement which

[0:47:52] Trustee Elliott: which incidentally was 1994, drafted.

[0:47:56] Trustee Elliott: And I will, let me just say this

[0:48:00] Trustee Elliott: before Director Freyder goes to the actual dog question,

[0:48:02] Trustee Elliott: how they differ.

[0:48:03] Trustee Elliott: None of these policies is a set of regulations

[0:48:07] Trustee Elliott: that apply to land in the Islands Trust area today.

[0:48:12] Trustee Elliott: And why?

[0:48:14] Trustee Elliott: Because it is a policy that sets out the principles

[0:48:17] Trustee Elliott: to be used in decision-making

[0:48:19] Trustee Elliott: about potential future changes to the use of the lands and waters so you're

[0:48:25] Trustee Elliott: evolving OCP which we're going to talk about later today is going to be able to

[0:48:31] Trustee Elliott: have all of those same policies if that's what your community decides we

[0:48:34] Trustee Elliott: want yours here's the criteria here's where the docs go here's that process as

[0:48:40] Trustee Elliott: long as and I think we'll have a chance to see those evolve together so I would

[0:48:47] Trustee Elliott: encourage you to scrutinize the current document this is this is a first chance to say hey this is

[0:48:52] Trustee Elliott: happening please look at the existing policy statement and the draft and then you look at

[0:48:59] Trustee Elliott: your community ocp look at where you want to go do you want it to change do you not want it

[0:49:03] Trustee Elliott: to change and then does the proposed policy support that direction is it going to allow

[0:49:08] Trustee Elliott: that flexibility or is it going to restrict it too much that's exactly the question we need we

[0:49:14] Trustee Elliott: We need information from the community.

[0:49:16] Voice 22: Well, that's what I'm wondering.

[0:49:17] Voice 22: How would it affect our existing one?

[0:49:21] Voice 22: It

[0:49:22] Trustee Elliott: doesn't affect existing OCPs.

[0:49:25] Trustee Elliott: Only OCPs that are developed in the future after the policy statement is updated.

[0:49:31] Trustee Elliott: So it's not going to change your OCP right now.

[0:49:34] Trustee Elliott: It's just as your OCP.

[0:49:35] Voice 18: But directly.

[0:49:36] Voice 18: Sorry.

[0:49:38] Trustee Elliott: Well,

[0:49:39] Voice 22: I'm just wondering, like, would it loosen it up more?

[0:49:44] Voice 22: we'd have to look at your ocp and compare it for your future one yeah

[0:49:48] Trustee Elliott: um i think that's a

[0:49:50] Trustee Elliott: good question for your community to ponder between now and december

[0:49:54] Voice 22: because i wouldn't

[0:49:54] Voice 22: like to see it loosened up more myself okay um i mean i i recognize that it's a good it is a

[0:50:03] Voice 22: good consideration thinking of of the the amount of docks that we have for leaving the island if

[0:50:08] Voice 22: we had to evacuate and I but and I think first of all try to get more community docs and if that

[0:50:16] Voice 22: isn't possible then then consider applications for private docs if they would you know with that in

[0:50:25] Voice 22: mind you know if

[0:50:26] Voice 22: that they would be a benefit. Dr.

[0:50:33] Trustee Elliott: Frederick do we have a report or a document

[0:50:36] Trustee Elliott: document that describes sort of the the docs policies and how that's evolved since 2019

[0:50:42] Trustee Elliott: i was looking on the frequently asked questions page i

[0:50:46] Voice 1: don't think that we do but i'm happy to

[0:50:47] Voice 1: speak to that if you'd like um essentially the policy statement that's currently in force

[0:50:52] Voice 1: simply asks local trust committees to address where community and public boat launches docks

[0:51:00] Voice 1: and anchorages should be um and then with the new one and it also asks them just to plan for the

[0:51:06] Voice 1: sharing of these facilities as well so similar languages in the new one or the proposed one

[0:51:11] Voice 1: but what it is it's shifted the language a little bit to encourage local trust committees to

[0:51:16] Voice 1: consider the cumulative impacts of having multiple docks what would that would look like and then

[0:51:21] Voice 1: limit or prohibit new docks in areas that are culturally significant to indigenous governing

[0:51:26] Voice 1: governing bodies that provide critical habitat for species at risk or in areas of regional

[0:51:31] Voice 1: significance where a dock might impede that recreation so there's slightly more guidance

[0:51:35] Voice 1: given about where you might want to limit docks going in your community but generally the approach

[0:51:40] Voice 1: is similar to what we've had before there's just some more specificity as to what might not be a

[0:51:44] Voice 1: suitable area that's

[0:51:48] Trustee Elliott: a good one to compare and contrast with your current ocp and then see where

[0:51:51] Trustee Elliott: you want to go and does that match that's exactly the process that we need to go through yeah

[0:52:01] Voice 21: In your answer to the questions that you sent in, you mentioned the term co-governance,

[0:52:10] Voice 21: and I'm asking you, what is the scope of the term co-governance in your opinion?

[0:52:21] Trustee Elliott: I feel like this is a personal question for me, and I'm not sure that I'm still right.

[0:52:26] Voice 21: there is

[0:52:28] Trustee Elliott: no trust policy that promises co-governance but you did make that reference

[0:52:33] Trustee Elliott: you did say those words i wrote them down as you said them i said we cannot promise co-governance

[0:52:39] Trustee Elliott: because that is beyond the limits of our legislation so the province which represents

[0:52:46] Trustee Elliott: the crown says you must do these kinds of things and through the acts on this trust act it sets out

[0:52:53] Trustee Elliott: the authority by which the delegated body is delegated to do those things and so all those

[0:52:59] Trustee Elliott: tools development permit areas a decision-making body voting everything comes from that authority

[0:53:05] Trustee Elliott: from the province just as trustee peterson said the province has not changed that in any way

[0:53:13] Trustee Elliott: to say that we can share that authority with other bodies so there is no promise of pro-governance

[0:53:21] Trustee Elliott: There is a, let me see what it's actually phrased as.

[0:53:27] Trustee Elliott: Dr. Brader, can you help me with the wording here?

[0:53:30] Trustee Elliott: I can read it out, yes.

[0:53:31] Voice 1: So in the acknowledgement section where we're acknowledging Indigenous rights to self-governance,

[0:53:37] Voice 1: it talks about there is an expressed interest in Indigenous governing bodies in working towards co-governance

[0:53:42] Voice 1: and Council is committed to advancing reconciliation with them.

[0:53:46] Voice 1: And Council, I would say, is interested in exploring how it can work more closely

[0:53:50] Voice 1: with these governments but as was stated earlier in the meeting it would require legislative change

[0:53:55] Voice 1: or a section 7 agreement under the declaration act in order to move forward in a more formal change

[0:54:01] Voice 1: so at this time this policy statement is simply calling for a stronger referral process

[0:54:06] Voice 1: and more strong relationship amongst staff and trustees so we can make good decisions so we've

[0:54:11] Voice 1: got all the information we can get before decisions are undertaken you

[0:54:18] Trustee Elliott: can we can recognize

[0:54:19] Trustee Elliott: and affirm rights just as you're saying rights of nature how that works out is still limited

[0:54:25] Trustee Elliott: by legislation so our legislation the islands trust act is unchanged the authority still rests

[0:54:33] Trustee Elliott: with the decision-making bodies the local trust committee and islands trust council it's it's very

[0:54:42] Trustee Elliott: we have wrestled with this there is a lot of conversation that's gone in so these are very

[0:54:46] Trustee Elliott: good questions thank you yeah i just

[0:54:52] Voice 3: say there's a big difference between acknowledging that we've

[0:54:55] Voice 3: heard from first nations that they would like to go governance and any legislative ability to go

[0:55:02] Voice 3: there um so we've definitely heard from first nations they would like to go cover that's not

[0:55:08] Voice 3: up to us that's not to the province and uh

[0:55:12] Voice 3: and also just add um i know i've said it in public

[0:55:16] Voice 3: and probably in the paper a couple of times.

[0:55:18] Voice 3: Twice in the last few years,

[0:55:21] Voice 3: Trust Council has requested the province to review the Act

[0:55:26] Voice 3: and with advancing reconciliation as part of that.

[0:55:31] Voice 3: And the province has flatly said it's not happening anytime soon.

[0:55:36] Voice 3: So a project like rewriting the Act is not...

[0:55:43] Voice 3: My sense is I don't think the province

[0:55:46] Voice 3: is going to make any changes to the act anytime soon we've got a lot of things going across the

[0:55:53] Voice 3: province right now i'm sure everyone knows and the amount of staff time and um i have

[0:56:00] Voice 25: other resources to rewrite the island's trust act i don't think it's a high priority for the

[0:56:05] Voice 25: government that's my that's my take on it um

[0:56:10] Voice 23: i

[0:56:11] Trustee Elliott: can see that uh the island's trust has been very

[0:56:16] Trustee Elliott: very good things about our last meeting in regards

[0:56:18] Voice 14: to ocp and the future ocp um

[0:56:24] Voice 22: that's you know it still traumatizes me i'm going to say

[0:56:30] Voice 14: to to to think that we've been

[0:56:32] Trustee Elliott: operating on the 2005 and making decisions based on that um when you say current ocp

[0:56:41] Trustee Elliott: That's the one that you're referring to, correct?

[0:56:44] Voice 12: And

[0:56:45] Trustee Elliott: I remember in 2017 getting together as a community with chart paper

[0:56:52] Trustee Elliott: and itemizing all the things that were so very important to us on the island.

[0:56:59] Voice 22: And we still don't have an OCP that's

[0:57:06] Voice 14: newer than 2005.

[0:57:08] Voice 14: So I have to say I'm very discouraged by that, and to the

[0:57:13] Voice 22: 2050 plan, that's how many years from now? 25 years from now? I'm 60. I'm going to be dead by then.

[0:57:26] Voice 22: So

[0:57:27] Trustee Elliott: is your policy statement and OCP are two different documents?

[0:57:31] Trustee Elliott: Policy statement, yes I understand, but you have to have a policy statement before you have the new OCP.

[0:57:38] Trustee Elliott: Am I not understanding what you're saying here?

[0:57:42] Trustee Elliott: Our first step is policy statement?

[0:57:44] Trustee Elliott: No, your current OCP is, you have to have an official committee plan.

[0:57:49] Trustee Elliott: Which is from 2005?

[0:57:50] Trustee Elliott: Gabrielle's official committee plan is from 1997.

[0:57:53] Trustee Elliott: Okay,

[0:57:53] Voice 14: I don't care about that, I'm sorry.

[0:57:54] Trustee Elliott: we're also reviewing it but how the policy statement if it were passed tomorrow it would

[0:58:01] Trustee Elliott: affect your new ocp so i understand that okay

[0:58:05] Voice 12: okay so

[0:58:06] Trustee Elliott: my uh besides my dismay by all of it and i can

[0:58:12] Trustee Elliott: go on and explain my dismay because alberta is ahead of us every

[0:58:20] Voice 14: but it's constitutional

[0:58:22] Voice 14: that we should be having an OCP on a five-year basis, right?

[0:58:30] Voice 14: It's disgusting that

[0:58:32] Voice 22: we don't, right?

[0:58:34] Voice 22: With that said, I can see that you guys have been working towards it, right?

[0:58:40] Voice 22: But what I would like to say

[0:58:41] Voice 19: is instead of just seeing a survey that's coming up,

[0:58:46] Voice 19: could we please have a

[0:58:49] Voice 14: town hall meeting where we all get together as a community

[0:58:53] Voice 14: and talk about the things that we want

[0:58:55] Trustee Elliott: in our community and have in the community call

[0:59:00] Trustee Elliott: not have

[0:59:01] Trustee Elliott: the limited time here that

[0:59:04] Voice 14: we've had where we get together and do what we do best

[0:59:08] Voice 14: bring food, bring our humor, bring our stories,

[0:59:14] Trustee Elliott: everything. This is what I see

[0:59:17] Trustee Elliott: Islands Trust facilitating, right? Not the arguments that we had last meeting, not

[0:59:27] Trustee Elliott: the, you know, the conversation that keeps going on. Let's talk about what we

[0:59:35] Trustee Elliott: really wanted a future, right? In a better

[0:59:39] Trustee Elliott: environment than this, I'm sorry. Would anything prohibit the Laskini Community

[0:59:43] Trustee Elliott: Association from convening a meeting, having a conversation,

[0:59:47] Trustee Elliott: giving the referral response back to the LTC in December?

[0:59:51] Trustee Elliott: I mean, it's totally up to

[0:59:53] Trustee Elliott: your community how you do this.

[0:59:55] Trustee Elliott: You absolutely can meet. We cannot necessarily fund it.

[0:59:58] Trustee Elliott: I think you'd have more freedom.

[1:00:00] Trustee Elliott: them if you had your own meeting and food and talk about it and debate it that's what we do and then

[1:00:06] Trustee Elliott: then you bring it back something that our person then you bring it back to the ltc

[1:00:09] Trustee Elliott: that we elected would run on a regular basis so yeah so

[1:00:17] Voice 3: um to uh uh chair elliott's point there's

[1:00:21] Voice 3: nothing to uh prohibit any kind of a public meeting an island's trust official meeting

[1:00:28] Voice 3: has to meet certain things right yeah so if we wanted that that's a little bit

[1:00:35] Voice 3: more hoops to jump through if we want to get together and have a public meeting

[1:00:40] Voice 3: that's not an island's trust meeting then we don't have to worry about any

[1:00:44] Voice 3: of those guidelines and I'm

[1:00:46] Voice 3: happy to be part of it

[1:00:47] Trustee Elliott: and then if you're you've

[1:00:53] Voice 6: We are

[1:00:54] Trustee Elliott: not talking about the OCP right now.

[1:00:57] Trustee Elliott: We will

[1:00:57] Trustee Elliott: get back into that when we start

[1:00:59] Trustee Elliott: our regular business meeting.

[1:01:00] Trustee Elliott: But great suggestion.

[1:01:02] Trustee Elliott: However your community wants to give your feedback,

[1:01:05] Trustee Elliott: whatever works for you, would be great.

[1:01:08] Trustee Elliott: We want to hear from you.

[1:01:09] Trustee Elliott: This is really important because it will affect the future generations, 2050.

[1:01:14] Trustee Elliott: We need to keep moving through our list.

[1:01:16] Trustee Elliott: I'm sorry.

[1:01:16] Trustee Elliott: Thanks for the question, Lynn.

[1:01:18] Trustee Elliott: Peter, and then Kathy, and Marty. Peter, and then me. Okay,

[1:01:25] Trustee Elliott: and we're all still talking

[1:01:26] Trustee Elliott: about policy statement and asking questions, right? Okay, I don't know his name. Sorry.

[1:01:31] Trustee Elliott: And then over here in the... Peter? Yes.

[1:01:36] Voice 9: Is there one to be a trust fund for community

[1:01:40] Voice 9: information to be held on the sea, or is this it? This

[1:01:43] Voice 3: is the community information we're

[1:01:45] Voice 3: scheme on the policy that's

[1:01:47] Voice 9: what i meant there's no no non-scheduled for any other time this is it

[1:01:51] Voice 9: we

[1:01:51] Trustee Elliott: didn't ask for a special there really wasn't but

[1:01:55] Voice 14: okay i thought i saw a schedule

[1:02:00] Trustee Elliott: february is the date that we have that all the other agencies and ltcs need to give their referral

[1:02:06] Trustee Elliott: response so what i'm suggesting is if there needs to be meetings between now and december's ltc

[1:02:14] Trustee Elliott: meeting. December might be the opportunity to bring all that information together and then

[1:02:19] Trustee Elliott: the LTC can make its formal response.

[1:02:21] Voice 7: You are not doing it.

[1:02:23] Trustee Elliott: No. This is it. Yeah.

[1:02:25] Voice 7: Thank you.

[1:02:27] Voice 23: Thanks. Kathy. Yeah. I was on the OCP

[1:02:36] Voice 21: committee. We spent two and a half years

[1:02:40] Voice 21: is collecting information. We were told, no, no, we've got to hurry this up. We want to get it

[1:02:45] Voice 21: going. It hasn't been ratified yet. It's five years since that happened. And now we're talking

[1:02:53] Voice 21: about doing it again for 2050. We're not ratified this one.

[1:02:59] Voice 23: I'm a little frustrated. I get it. We

[1:03:10] Voice 12: is what governors will see it's and yes

[1:03:16] Voice 14: your policies that you're putting forward

[1:03:17] Voice 14: are important to that ocp

[1:03:20] Voice 12: but

[1:03:22] Voice 14: how

[1:03:23] Voice 21: can we speed this up so that we're actually

[1:03:27] Voice 21: working now not 25

[1:03:30] Trustee Elliott: years from now i hear your frustration and definitely been expressed by

[1:03:35] Trustee Elliott: more than a few we will

[1:03:37] Voice 3: have a presentation on the business case to fund the ocp project

[1:03:42] Voice 3: later in this meeting and

[1:03:45] Trustee Elliott: it is scheduled to restart again this winter so um it's it's

[1:03:52] Trustee Elliott: so we'll get we'll get into that later in the meeting if you could stay for that part we will

[1:03:57] Trustee Elliott: be directly discussing the speed at ocp project to pick that up again where we left off two three

[1:04:03] Trustee Elliott: three years ago and um 2020 march 2020 let's finish the work i hear that five

[1:04:11] Voice 18: years ago i know

[1:04:12] Voice 21: um i was also on the review committee we finished and and um on in march 2020 which was can we can

[1:04:22] Trustee Elliott: we speak with a statement

[1:04:23] Voice 21: okay thanks that was my preamble okay i promised you and there's

[1:04:31] Voice 21: There's absolutely no reason why the LCA is not able to have a meeting to discuss the

[1:04:39] Voice 21: policy statement between now and December.

[1:04:41] Voice 21: And I think that's what we should do.

[1:04:43] Voice 21: And I volunteer to talk to the executives.

[1:04:51] Voice 18: Well,

[1:04:53] Trustee Elliott: if the food's as good as it's always been when I come to a LISC-ED event, I would

[1:04:57] Trustee Elliott: come too.

[1:04:59] Trustee Elliott: Richard?

[1:05:07] Voice 7: So regarding the policy statement, what's the hierarchy? What's the authority level

[1:05:14] Voice 7: of that compared to the OCP? Which one rules, which one is, which one's the final say OCP

[1:05:22] Voice 7: or the policy statement? They can flick or there's one that's not exactly which one is

[1:05:29] Voice 7: the final sales so

[1:05:30] Trustee Elliott: which one is the final say director freighter um i guess both both of us

[1:05:35] Trustee Elliott: are on the executive committee so part of our job the role the delegated authority of the executive

[1:05:41] Trustee Elliott: committee is to ensure that every proposed bylaw that comes from all the local trust committees

[1:05:47] Trustee Elliott: whether it's an ocp bylaw it's a land use bylaw change that it does not what's the language

[1:05:55] Trustee Elliott: language? Not

[1:05:56] Voice 3: contrary to or at variance with.

[1:05:58] Trustee Elliott: It is not contrary to or at variance. So it doesn't

[1:06:01] Trustee Elliott: mean that every policy that's in the well you should have all the policies that are in the

[1:06:08] Trustee Elliott: policy statement in your OCP when it's renewed but if you're making a land use decision it goes up to

[1:06:15] Trustee Elliott: the executive committee and that's one of the checks that we do including does it conform to

[1:06:19] Trustee Elliott: the local government act does it conform to all the other relevant laws so

[1:06:24] Voice 7: i hear what you say

[1:06:25] Voice 7: but i didn't really hear an answer so is the policy statement above or beneath the ocp it's

[1:06:33] Voice 2: above

[1:06:33] Voice 7: okay that's it so it's it's uh so in order to make change for that policy statement

[1:06:38] Voice 7: what has to occur we did we change it locally this is the opportunity i don't know can our

[1:06:44] Voice 7: to please make changes to that the

[1:06:46] Voice 3: policy statement is uh document of well like uh

[1:06:52] Voice 3: across the council so trust council uh can change the policies

[1:06:55] Voice 3: 26

[1:06:56] Voice 7: trustees

[1:06:59] Voice 7: so so that's that's that policy statement is voted on ass or fail or whatever the changes have to

[1:07:08] Voice 7: come from all of the islands and it is supersedes or is above you just said our ocp so our ocp

[1:07:17] Voice 7: is uh secondary it

[1:07:19] Trustee Elliott: doesn't nullify it your ocp is still lost but

[1:07:22] Voice 7: if there's a law there says

[1:07:23] Voice 7: and we try to make one counter it won't happen

[1:07:26] Voice 3: i've got one thing that i would add to that um

[1:07:31] Voice 3: chair elliott talked about the role of the executive committee looking at

[1:07:36] Voice 3: bylaws coming up to see how they meet the policy statement but if a local trust committee has a

[1:07:46] Voice 3: bylaw rejected by executive committee um there is an appeal to trust council so the local trust

[1:07:54] Voice 3: committee could go to trust council and say okay we get it this doesn't quite check the box but

[1:08:01] Voice 3: trust council we want you to support our localization and here's why. I

[1:08:06] Voice 7: understand. So I have one other question. In your policy statement you should be in accordance with UNDRIP and that rents a good amount of the UNDRIP document and can you give us a review of section 26 of the UNDRIP?

[1:08:27] Voice 7: because that's

[1:08:29] Voice 7: UNDRIP is

[1:08:30] Trustee Elliott: not enshrined

[1:08:33] Trustee Elliott: in law except through the Declaration

[1:08:35] Trustee Elliott: Act through the province of British Columbia

[1:08:38] Trustee Elliott: so there's an international

[1:08:40] Trustee Elliott: declaration that says the rights of indigenous

[1:08:42] Trustee Elliott: people should be respected

[1:08:43] Trustee Elliott: then that was made

[1:08:46] Trustee Elliott: into law in the province of

[1:08:47] Trustee Elliott: British Columbia in 2019

[1:08:50] Trustee Elliott: however

[1:08:50] Trustee Elliott: that has not changed

[1:08:53] Trustee Elliott: the local government act

[1:08:55] Trustee Elliott: the Islands Trust

[1:08:57] Trustee Elliott: And so all the acts that really structure the practical land use decision-making, the way that we operate here, has been functionally not affected by UNDRIP.

[1:09:09] Voice 7: Well, not yet. Not yet. But by law, you're saying that in 2019, the province passed a law that would say we're going to be in agreement with UNDRIP and NIFA.

[1:09:20] Voice 7: and it's now in the policy statement which nowadays the change will require every island trustee

[1:09:28] Voice 7: to you know to vote on that and i would just like for everyone to understand what's in there

[1:09:33] Voice 7: specifically in section 26 would you happen to be able to read that part i'm sure you could

[1:09:38] Voice 7: section 26. my

[1:09:42] Trustee Elliott: understanding is understanding

[1:09:44] Trustee Elliott: understanding,

[1:09:45] Voice 7: but I would like a general response.

[1:09:49] Voice 7: Dr.

[1:09:50] Trustee Elliott: Frater, can we look up section 26 of UNDRIP and see how it affects our decision-making in the

[1:09:56] Trustee Elliott: local trust

[1:09:57] Voice 1: area? Okay, well, if I could, in section 1.3 of the policy statement, it states

[1:10:03] Voice 1: that council is to be informed by. So it's not a directive or requirement. It's just stating that

[1:10:08] Voice 1: Council is to be informed by the UN Declaration Act. So there's nothing regulatory in that

[1:10:14] Voice 1: statement, if that's clarifying. Would you like me to bring up the Declaration Act itself?

[1:10:20] Voice 7: Chapter 26 is what I would like to hear. What exactly is in there and what is in Section 26 of

[1:10:26] Voice 7: it?

[1:10:26] Trustee Elliott: But did you just hear what she said? It doesn't actually shape our regulations.

[1:10:31] Voice 7: It's being

[1:10:31] Trustee Elliott: informed that you respect the rights.

[1:10:35] Voice 7: I

[1:10:36] Trustee Elliott: think that's a mischaracterization of the policy statement.

[1:10:42] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[1:10:43] Trustee Elliott: Okay, Tudor, did you have a question?

[1:10:45] Trustee Elliott: I understand that

[1:10:47] Voice 24: every decision you make, you have to first mention the indigenous people.

[1:10:52] Voice 24: Do our best.

[1:10:53] Voice 24: It's a very loose reward they use.

[1:10:58] Voice 24: Who are the indigenous people?

[1:11:00] Voice 24: Are they interested?

[1:11:01] Voice 24: they have claim on this island. What is the band name? Because there are 10, maybe hundreds of bands.

[1:11:07] Voice 24: Who are you dealing with when you ask for input? I go not from mainland or

[1:11:15] Voice 24: Ontario. So which band are you dealing with?

[1:11:20] Trustee Elliott: So the consultative database of British Columbia,

[1:11:22] Trustee Elliott: Colombia, as Director Freyder explained, is what lays out the reach of the territory of

[1:11:31] Trustee Elliott: the First Nations that we need to consult with.

[1:11:34] Trustee Elliott: The ones in Luskinni are different than the ones from the Southern Highlands.

[1:11:40] Trustee Elliott: I'm hooking it

[1:11:42] Trustee Elliott: up if you can give me a moment.

[1:11:44] Trustee Elliott: Do you have the consultative database for Luskinni?

[1:11:48] Trustee Elliott: I would not

[1:11:52] Voice 1: be able to run that right now

[1:11:53] Voice 1: before you break for lunch, I wouldn't think.

[1:12:03] Voice 24: There

[1:12:03] Voice 12: is a

[1:12:12] Trustee Elliott: public map service that I'm looking up.

[1:12:16] Trustee Elliott: I think there's about seven

[1:12:17] Trustee Elliott: with treaty and territorial interests

[1:12:20] Trustee Elliott: on the LISC-EDI limit.

[1:12:21] Voice 3: And the number

[1:12:23] Voice 25: varies after

[1:12:23] Voice 25: what we need as well.

[1:12:34] Voice 9: This is something that could be provided later.

[1:12:37] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, this is a

[1:12:38] Trustee Elliott: if you could get the question

[1:12:40] Trustee Elliott: or get the answer to your trustees

[1:12:42] Trustee Elliott: back out to you.

[1:12:46] Voice 24: I'm

[1:12:46] Trustee Elliott: looking it up

[1:12:47] Trustee Elliott: but I, we can't

[1:12:48] Trustee Elliott: And

[1:12:48] Voice 24: part of the same question

[1:12:50] Trustee Elliott: I understood

[1:12:52] Voice 24: I mean, I know that

[1:12:55] Voice 24: I don't know you directly or indirectly

[1:12:57] Voice 24: give some money to these indigenous people regarding some issues.

[1:13:02] Voice 24: Is there any accountability about that money?

[1:13:05] Voice 24: Where did this money go?

[1:13:08] Voice 24: How do they use this money?

[1:13:10] Voice 12: And

[1:13:11] Voice 24: for what reason do we have to pay them?

[1:13:15] Voice 24: To agree with your decision?

[1:13:19] Voice 24: Do they have the right to veto your decision?

[1:13:22] Voice 24: Who are these people?

[1:13:23] Voice 24: Indigenous people is very...

[1:13:25] Voice 24: Okay,

[1:13:26] Trustee Elliott: so how is capacity funding undertaken?

[1:13:31] Trustee Elliott: I think for this project, there is not anticipated to be capacity funding provided.

[1:13:37] Trustee Elliott: I could be wrong.

[1:13:38] Trustee Elliott: Director Frater?

[1:13:40] Voice 1: Certainly in previous stages, we have provided some modest capacity funding donations.

[1:13:44] Voice 1: So that is us providing a grant to an Indigenous governing body to assist them in paying their referral staff to go through this big document to provide comment.

[1:13:56] Voice 1: So simply we provide a, you know, a grant to them to do that.

[1:14:01] Voice 1: We're now at the referral stage,

[1:14:02] Voice 1: so we're not anticipating providing any further funding,

[1:14:05] Voice 1: although we will be talking with executive committee

[1:14:07] Voice 1: should any requests come in.

[1:14:12] Voice 24: If anyone of these grants has any claim on this,

[1:14:16] Voice 24: is there any hard proof?

[1:14:17] Voice 24: Not just because I'm coordination,

[1:14:19] Voice 24: I want this type of land or this ground land, all right?

[1:14:23] Voice 24: Well, as I said...

[1:14:24] Voice 24: Are they looking for hard proof?

[1:14:25] Voice 24: Because anybody can say, I was fishing here, I was taking up water on this island, it's

[1:14:31] Voice 24: our island.

[1:14:32] Voice 24: I understand.

[1:14:33] Trustee Elliott: Is that the

[1:14:33] Voice 24: way it works?

[1:14:33] Trustee Elliott: There is.

[1:14:34] Trustee Elliott: Or they say so.

[1:14:35] Trustee Elliott: Sir, I'm trying to explain.

[1:14:38] Trustee Elliott: There is a database provided by the province of British Columbia, which does the direct

[1:14:44] Trustee Elliott: engagement of consultation engagement with First Nations.

[1:14:47] Trustee Elliott: They tell us which territories overlap, and many territories overlap, and there are differences.

[1:14:53] Trustee Elliott: There are some nations that have core territory in some islands, and there are less, there's less interest from other First Nations in giving comments. So we might send 26 referrals, and we get one back because a nation says this is of intense interest.

[1:15:11] Trustee Elliott: for example, Tlaloc, with the Spiti Tlaloc and St. Patron Llanos,

[1:15:17] Trustee Elliott: there has been some conversation back and forth,

[1:15:20] Trustee Elliott: but not every nation in whose territory we operate gives comment on every withdrawal,

[1:15:24] Trustee Elliott: and they do not have the power.

[1:15:27] Voice 24: And probably the question is ahead of what we're going to discuss later, I think.

[1:15:34] Voice 24: Are you asking for indigenous people's advice or opinion regarding these American companies that

[1:15:41] Voice 24: that are good application for 377 Island.

[1:15:44] Voice 24: We will grant the airport unlimited time

[1:15:46] Voice 24: to do whatever they want.

[1:15:47] Voice 23: We'll get to that.

[1:15:48] Voice 24: And they are connected to-

[1:15:50] Voice 24: Sir.

[1:15:50] Voice 24: In that military complex in Oregon.

[1:15:53] Trustee Elliott: I'm sorry, we really have to stick

[1:15:54] Trustee Elliott: with the community information,

[1:15:55] Trustee Elliott: we have to follow the statement.

[1:15:57] Trustee Elliott: We will get back to that.

[1:15:58] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[1:16:00] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[1:16:00] Trustee Elliott: We

[1:16:01] Voice 23: have a few more on the list.

[1:16:05] Voice 23: Dimar.

[1:16:06] Voice 15: Dimar.

[1:16:06] Voice 15: Yes.

[1:16:07] Voice 15: Yes. So, correct me if I'm wrong, you guys are Island Trust and you're voted, we have voted you in position to represent us, correct?

[1:16:20] Voice 15: You're

[1:16:20] Trustee Elliott: two local trustees.

[1:16:24] Voice 15: Sorry, local trustees. So with this consultation with UN DRIP, right now it's still in the consultation phase.

[1:16:35] Voice 15: and you're working with the provincial government.

[1:16:40] Voice 15: If later on the provincial government

[1:16:44] Voice 15: is to give more power to this UN authority

[1:16:47] Voice 15: and propose their new bylaws or new laws regarding this,

[1:16:52] Voice 15: as our island trustees,

[1:16:54] Voice 15: can we know your position on what you think

[1:16:57] Voice 15: is this is what you will be working towards?

[1:17:00] Voice 15: Or would you be supporting the members of the community

[1:17:03] Voice 15: who are against that policy?

[1:17:06] Voice 15: as you work for us not the government and the BC government is taking steps that are against

[1:17:12] Voice 15: the federal government's policies so where do you stand in your ideology as we voted you here

[1:17:19] Voice 15: so we would like to know what you are going to be working towards are you going to be working

[1:17:23] Voice 15: towards our communities you know betterment or against it I would like to know your opinions

[1:17:31] Voice 15: Thank you.

[1:17:31] Voice 6: How does

[1:17:32] Voice 15: that relate to what we're meeting about?

[1:17:36] Voice 12: I think it's

[1:17:37] Voice 15: in the policy.

[1:17:38] Voice 15: They're enacting policies.

[1:17:40] Voice 15: They're taking all Indians from these people.

[1:17:45] Voice 15: So I'd like to know how far they would like to take this.

[1:17:48] Voice 15: I would like to know their opinion as to what they are about.

[1:17:52] Voice 15: Are they a proponent of it?

[1:17:53] Voice 15: Yes, let us know so we all have an understanding that you guys are a proponent of it.

[1:17:57] Voice 15: If not, please let us know that these members here are

[1:18:00] Trustee Elliott: not a proponent of it.

[1:18:01] Trustee Elliott: sir i can i hear your concern um i would just like to distinguish as we've stated many times

[1:18:07] Trustee Elliott: the u.n declaration has no effect on islands trust acts yes so that i understand

[1:18:16] Voice 15: that i was just

[1:18:17] Voice 15: saying in the future okay if the article i would like to hold the opinions and position of our

[1:18:23] Voice 15: local trustees appropriate

[1:18:25] Voice 6: for you to have opinions on this this is a meeting to get

[1:18:35] Voice 15: I would just

[1:18:36] Voice 3: say that until such time as the province brings forward proposals to change

[1:18:43] Voice 3: the Act in a way that affects our decision-making policies, it's just speculative.

[1:18:48] Voice 3: I can't say whether I would say, hey, that's a great idea that's going to support our community

[1:18:55] Voice 3: or not, because what am I

[1:18:57] Voice 3: looking at?

[1:18:58] Voice 15: We

[1:18:59] Trustee Elliott: can put it to the council, honestly,

[1:19:01] Trustee Elliott: about anything like this.

[1:19:02] Voice 15: It's not

[1:19:03] Voice 15: necessarily a what-ifs about each

[1:19:05] Voice 15: individual policy. I just want to know

[1:19:07] Voice 15: if this UN policy,

[1:19:09] Voice 15: we're now going with not

[1:19:11] Voice 15: federal government, we're going with the world

[1:19:13] Voice 15: body government rules here, so

[1:19:15] Voice 15: this has nothing to do with

[1:19:17] Voice 15: the island trust, really.

[1:19:18] Voice 15: Sir,

[1:19:19] Trustee Elliott: just

[1:19:20] Voice 15: want to know

[1:19:21] Voice 15: if you're standing.

[1:19:23] Voice 15: It seems like, from my

[1:19:25] Voice 15: my answer then you guys are okay but that you

[1:19:28] Trustee Elliott: know just let us know that's all okay

[1:19:30] Trustee Elliott: so is there any more questions on the policy statement

[1:19:36] Trustee Elliott: i've got um and i would like to us to rough and let staff go for lunch in about five minutes so

[1:19:43] Trustee Elliott: we have five more minutes uh yes quickly uh

[1:19:47] Voice 18: i just want to make sure that i understand this

[1:19:50] Voice 18: the policy statement has two they have advisory policies and directives and

[1:19:59] Trustee Elliott: guiding principles

[1:20:00] Trustee Elliott: or

[1:20:01] Voice 18: guiding principles if blah blah blah and the directives the local trust committee has to follow

[1:20:08] Voice 18: those directions when they establish a an ocp or a rural land use bylaw the advisory policies

[1:20:19] Voice 18: policies the local trust committee doesn't have to follow they don't want to and what was the

[1:20:25] Voice 18: other one

[1:20:25] Trustee Elliott: guiding principles and

[1:20:27] Voice 18: the guiding principles how is that determined if the local

[1:20:31] Voice 18: trust committee is following the guiding principles or not who interprets that so

[1:20:36] Trustee Elliott: there will be an

[1:20:37] Trustee Elliott: implementation um heart to this how is it implemented how is it a checklist is it you

[1:20:46] Trustee Elliott: You know, how is each policy adhered to?

[1:20:48] Trustee Elliott: And that has not yet been developed.

[1:20:51] Trustee Elliott: We are working on that.

[1:20:52] Trustee Elliott: I don't know, Director Crater, if you've got some information you could share about the

[1:20:58] Trustee Elliott: implementation and how guiding principles are followed.

[1:21:08] Voice 1: Yeah, so guiding principles are intended to be informing decision making, that people

[1:21:13] Voice 1: are meant to be guided by them.

[1:21:14] Voice 1: they're not at this time intended to be you know evaluated they're simply meant to be that you keep

[1:21:19] Voice 1: the keep principles to keep in mind as you develop the bylaws but we will as you say the details will

[1:21:25] Voice 1: follow an implementation policy but at this time you're meant to be guided they're not directive

[1:21:29] Voice 1: in nature

[1:21:30] Trustee Elliott: and i would say there's more nuance to how a policy is expressed in your official

[1:21:37] Trustee Elliott: community plan then it wouldn't be the exact policy in the policy statement that shows up in

[1:21:42] Trustee Elliott: in your OCP, it'll be your community OCP

[1:21:45] Trustee Elliott: should have a policy about this,

[1:21:47] Trustee Elliott: should have a policy about docs,

[1:21:48] Trustee Elliott: and you should consider these things in that policy.

[1:21:51] Trustee Elliott: So how that's developed is up to the community.

[1:21:54] Voice 18: Unless it's a directive policy.

[1:21:56] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, a directive policy would be,

[1:21:57] Trustee Elliott: it should be in your official community plan.

[1:22:00] Trustee Elliott: You need to deal with this issue, right?

[1:22:02] Trustee Elliott: It's important to us all,

[1:22:03] Trustee Elliott: but how you deal with it

[1:22:05] Trustee Elliott: is in your official community plan policy, yeah.

[1:22:08] Trustee Elliott: Dom, we're gonna, or sorry,

[1:22:09] Trustee Elliott: Dave, we're gonna go rapid fire here.

[1:22:11] Voice 4: yeah there's two policies uh 3.1.3 called land back it says through engagement with indigenous

[1:22:19] Voice 4: governing bodies support opportunities to direct land to indigenous governing bodies

[1:22:26] Voice 4: um and then there's also 3.2 so that

[1:22:29] Trustee Elliott: is an advisory policy uh 3.1.3

[1:22:36] Trustee Elliott: Three, yes, through engagement with Indigenous Governing Bodies,

[1:22:39] Trustee Elliott: support opportunities to direct land to Indigenous Governing Bodies.

[1:22:42] Trustee Elliott: It is advisory, as Mr. Weiner said, not a requirement.

[1:22:48] Voice 4: And it does not give yourself any limits.

[1:22:51] Voice 4: There's no limit.

[1:22:51] Voice 4: It says they're not limited to as amenity contributions and applications.

[1:22:56] Voice 4: So the policy is to give land to First Nations.

[1:23:00] Voice 4: That is what the policy is all about.

[1:23:02] Trustee Elliott: And it is purely optional.

[1:23:03] Trustee Elliott: which

[1:23:04] Voice 4: is contrary to what you're indicating.

[1:23:06] Trustee Elliott: It's surely optional.

[1:23:08] Voice 4: Policy number 3.2.9 says cultural monitors.

[1:23:13] Voice 4: So through engagement with Indigenous governing bodies,

[1:23:17] Voice 4: support opportunities for cultural monitors to be present

[1:23:20] Voice 4: for ground disturbing activities.

[1:23:23] Voice 4: So what does this look like?

[1:23:25] Voice 4: Director Frater, please inform us.

[1:23:28] Voice 4: If one builds a home, a garden,

[1:23:31] Voice 4: If one rakes the lawn, blows some leaves, I don't know.

[1:23:39] Voice 4: It's a directly

[1:23:40] Voice 4: disturbing activity.

[1:23:42] Voice 4: Somebody needs to be watching this.

[1:23:44] Voice 4: I think

[1:23:44] Trustee Elliott: it would be up to your official community plan to direct that.

[1:23:47] Trustee Elliott: And again, that is an advisory policy, not a directive.

[1:23:51] Trustee Elliott: Director Frater, any insight on to how cultural monitoring could be present for ground disturbing activities?

[1:24:00] Voice 1: Yes and again this is an advisory policy to be developed through engagement with an Indigenous

[1:24:05] Voice 1: governing body and it would be to be determined once the you know through your land use bylaws

[1:24:10] Voice 1: and official community plan what that could look like. So I don't want to speak in specifics here

[1:24:14] Voice 1: and I'm not a land use planner so I wouldn't want to specify the exact tool that would be used

[1:24:18] Voice 1: but again it's just trying to gather as much knowledge as we can to ensure good decision

[1:24:23] Voice 1: decision-making. But I don't have specifics here for you today.

[1:24:26] Trustee Elliott: Another question over on this side.

[1:24:30] Trustee Elliott: So

[1:24:30] Voice 7: on the vote that you

[1:24:34] Voice 7: the

[1:24:39] Voice 7: document or the policy statement

[1:24:42] Voice 7: was just passed. No. It was just passed for first reading.

[1:24:47] Voice 7: Yeah. Okay.

[1:24:50] Voice 7: can you guys tell us how you voted for this for or against i know it's probably public but just

[1:24:56] Voice 7: save me the time to go look it up did you guys all vote in favor of it i was chairing the meeting

[1:25:02] Voice 7: um i

[1:25:04] Trustee Elliott: watched the whole five or six times yeah so there was probably four who did not support it

[1:25:10] Trustee Elliott: like thank you any of you guys you

[1:25:13] Voice 7: guys all support it yeah yeah

[1:25:15] Voice 12: and

[1:25:16] Voice 7: within that document

[1:25:17] Voice 7: it says that that that the policy statement says that uh i was trust will be yeah i don't know

[1:25:25] Voice 7: i'm in front of me but in accordance for an agreement with or under is that

[1:25:31] Voice 7: it is

[1:25:33] Trustee Elliott: not a policy uh it is it is part of the guiding principles as director schrader said

[1:25:39] Trustee Elliott: to be

[1:25:39] Trustee Elliott: guided by guiding

[1:25:41] Voice 7: principles of a policy okay it makes kind of you know

[1:25:46] Voice 7: i

[1:25:47] Trustee Elliott: understand your concern i

[1:25:48] Voice 7: hear you but you guys did vote for 100 i support this document

[1:25:52] Voice 7: and if you could maybe read section 26 so we know what you know i

[1:25:57] Trustee Elliott: think we are not going to

[1:25:59] Trustee Elliott: read section 26 because it does not shape the policies it is you are guided by these things

[1:26:12] Trustee Elliott: unless we've got more questions we've got a break for lunch and then get back to

[1:26:17] Trustee Elliott: yeah somebody

[1:26:18] Voice 21: hasn't spoken yeah i'm just curious when will we get to the application

[1:26:24] Trustee Elliott: thank you yes we're we're gonna have to close this part of the meeting and

[1:26:28] Trustee Elliott: we'll get to it probably at one let's see what does it say

[1:26:37] Voice 23: 130? This

[1:26:38] Trustee Elliott: has gone a lot longer than I anticipated, an hour. So

[1:26:41] Voice 23: the new application,

[1:26:42] Trustee Elliott: yeah, I would

[1:26:45] Trustee Elliott: say we'll probably get there at 130, but we can probably amend the agenda and bring that

[1:26:49] Trustee Elliott: further up so that

[1:26:51] Voice 23: people, yeah, okay, so

[1:26:53] Trustee Elliott: we'll do that. Okay, is there any more questions

[1:26:56] Trustee Elliott: on the policy statement?

[1:27:04] Voice 23: I

[1:27:05] Trustee Elliott: would encourage the community to have meetings, to talk about this, to dig into the current policy statement that is unchanged for 25 years of the draft.

[1:27:15] Trustee Elliott: Ask questions of your local trustees.

[1:27:18] Trustee Elliott: Ask us your questions.

[1:27:20] Trustee Elliott: Look at the website.

[1:27:21] Trustee Elliott: I think we have to leave it there for now.

[1:27:24] Voice 3: There are surveys online.

[1:27:25] Voice 3: There are surveys of all the provisions.

[1:27:28] Voice 3: There are surveys.

[1:27:30] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[1:27:30] Trustee Elliott: We brought one so we can make comments if you need.

[1:27:33] Trustee Elliott: but there's um and

[1:27:34] Voice 3: if you can't find one and you want a paper one and they're not an electronic one

[1:27:38] Voice 3: keep in touch i will make you one okay

[1:27:40] Trustee Elliott: i think we have to leave it there um your freighter's there

[1:27:44] Voice 4: there this impacts the budget it specifically says this is a

[1:27:49] Trustee Elliott: community information meeting

[1:27:50] Trustee Elliott: specifically about the policy statement you can ask us questions about the budget

[1:27:53] Trustee Elliott: this

[1:27:54] Voice 4: is about this

[1:27:55] Trustee Elliott: is about this

[1:27:56] Voice 4: trust budget which is being impacted by your policy statement

[1:28:02] Voice 4: I

[1:28:02] Trustee Elliott: need to close this part of the meeting

[1:28:04] Trustee Elliott: so that we can have the regular meeting, okay?

[1:28:09] Trustee Elliott: So, folks, we're going to recess for,

[1:28:12] Trustee Elliott: I think it's time to go for lunch, 30 minutes,

[1:28:16] Trustee Elliott: and come back at 1 p.m.,

[1:28:18] Trustee Elliott: and we will have a motion to amend the agenda

[1:28:20] Trustee Elliott: so we can deal with the NOLS application

[1:28:22] Trustee Elliott: so everybody can have your say.

[1:28:25] Trustee Elliott: Right at the top, we will have town hall,

[1:28:27] Trustee Elliott: and that is when you can have your say.

[1:28:30] Trustee Elliott: If you have questions about the budget, you can ask me, and I will get some answers from

[1:28:35] Trustee Elliott: staff as we're able, but I'm hearing that we probably want to give our referral response

[1:28:40] Trustee Elliott: in December.

[1:28:42] Trustee Elliott: We're not ready to do that today.

[1:28:43] Trustee Elliott: We need more information.

[1:28:44] Voice 25: We don't have to give it today, so let's start right here.

[1:28:47] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[1:28:48] Trustee Elliott: Thanks, everybody.

[1:28:50] Trustee Elliott: We'll pause it there and come back at 1 o'clock.

[1:28:54] Trustee Elliott: Thank you, Director Frainer.

[2:01:37] Voice 12: Thank

[2:01:42] Trustee Elliott: you. We will now start into the regular business section of our agenda today and we'll

[2:01:50] Trustee Elliott: We'll start with approval of the agenda.

[2:01:53] Trustee Elliott: As mentioned before the break,

[2:01:55] Trustee Elliott: many people are here to speak to the ground lease referral of CA Co.

[2:02:02] Trustee Elliott: I'd like to ask if we can move that up.

[2:02:05] Trustee Elliott: Yes, Trustee.

[2:02:06] Voice 3: Yeah, I also have something to add.

[2:02:09] Voice 3: I'd like to add a proposal for a minor project.

[2:02:13] Trustee Elliott: Okay, so under new business.

[2:02:15] Voice 3: The new business, yeah.

[2:02:18] Voice 3: 13.1.

[2:02:20] Voice 3: and then if we can move uh item 10.3 to right after the town hall

[2:02:28] Trustee Elliott: yes and

[2:02:29] Voice 3: then keep the rest of it the same yeah

[2:02:31] Trustee Elliott: so by general consent we will move item 10.3

[2:02:37] Trustee Elliott: to come after item six the town hall um but actually do we want to have the town hall

[2:02:45] Trustee Elliott: all now before trustee reports chairs report electoral area directors report that's how the

[2:02:50] Voice 25: report section you

[2:02:52] Trustee Elliott: want to do the report section okay so we'll do the reports then town hall

[2:02:58] Trustee Elliott: then 10.3 and owning one new business item 13.1 minor project anything else renee are we

[2:03:09] Trustee Elliott: good for your end okay i'll take it by general consent that the agenda is approved as amended

[2:03:16] Trustee Elliott: trustee reports um trustee laroni do you like to go first

[2:03:25] Trustee Elliott: the referral it's been great we've received about 70 emails from people so that is fantastic

[2:03:31] Trustee Elliott: the government works so much better when we have in-situ participation thank you everybody for

[2:03:37] Trustee Elliott: being here today um i know it's been everybody's really busy it's harvesting time and so thank

[2:03:44] Trustee Elliott: Thank you, everybody, for taking the time to show up in the middle of a workday.

[2:03:50] Trustee Elliott: Not too much new.

[2:03:51] Trustee Elliott: Our last Trust Council was held on Gabriola.

[2:03:54] Trustee Elliott: We got to tour their recycling center.

[2:03:55] Trustee Elliott: It was pretty great.

[2:03:56] Trustee Elliott: Had a third store, but Laskiti's is still better.

[2:04:01] Voice 23: And we have a free store.

[2:04:05] Voice 23: Yes, and I mean, you're

[2:04:07] Trustee Elliott: all aware of our policy statement, but there is a survey.

[2:04:10] Trustee Elliott: So please fill it out if you can.

[2:04:13] Trustee Elliott: Send us emails.

[2:04:13] Trustee Elliott: I will, at the end of the day here, put it out on the email list.

[2:04:17] Trustee Elliott: So I'll call back again.

[2:04:20] Trustee Elliott: That's about it.

[2:04:21] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[2:04:22] Trustee Elliott: Mr. Lordy.

[2:04:23] Trustee Elliott: Mr. Peterson.

[2:04:24] Voice 3: Thank you.

[2:04:27] Voice 3: So beginning of September, we had representatives from the United Way come and speak about the Better Home Program,

[2:04:35] Voice 3: which provides non-medical support for seniors.

[2:04:37] Voice 3: And I'm really happy to know that the last resort board is moving along with the application.

[2:04:44] Voice 3: which will provide some funding to help support our seniors' age at home, and that's great.

[2:04:51] Voice 3: I invited our MLA, Stephanie Higginson, to attend that meeting, and after that Better Home session,

[2:04:58] Voice 3: we sat down along with our Regional Director, Andrew Thal, and our Ferry Community Chair,

[2:05:03] Voice 3: Shelley Garside, had probably a two-hour conversation to get our MLA a bit up to speed

[2:05:10] Voice 3: on some of the issues

[2:05:11] Voice 3: that are important to speed.

[2:05:14] Voice 3: We had a press council meeting

[2:05:16] Voice 3: on Gabriola, September

[2:05:18] Voice 3: 16th to 18th.

[2:05:20] Voice 3: Council endorsed the draft

[2:05:22] Voice 3: bylaw compliance and

[2:05:24] Voice 3: enforcement policy, which

[2:05:26] Voice 3: we come back to

[2:05:27] Voice 3: the December meeting after

[2:05:30] Voice 3: further review by the Regional Planning Committee.

[2:05:33] Voice 3: We also reviewed and

[2:05:34] Voice 3: prioritized recommendations

[2:05:36] Voice 3: from the 2022 governance

[2:05:38] Voice 3: report.

[2:05:41] Voice 3: The Inspectorate of Council to the Premier on Indigenous Reconciliation, Douglas White,

[2:05:45] Voice 3: a lawyer and former Sonoma First Nation Chief, addressed the Trust Council

[2:05:50] Voice 3: with an overview of reconciliation, Douglas treaties, and significant court decisions,

[2:05:56] Voice 3: and he also shared steps Ireland's Trust can take to deepen partnerships

[2:06:00] Voice 3: with First Nations in the Trust Area.

[2:06:03] Voice 3: The recent BC Supreme Court ruling on the Couch case, I think,

[2:06:08] Voice 3: further emphasizes the importance of relationship building as the best alternative to relying on the

[2:06:14] Voice 3: courts. The courts have wagged their finger at governments repeatedly in the last several years

[2:06:21] Voice 3: as over and over again courts are ruling in favor of the rights and title of British nations.

[2:06:30] Voice 3: Also noted that the Liskety Ratepayers Association held a meeting on September 17th

[2:06:34] Voice 3: but unfortunately I was unable to attend because I was at the trust council meeting.

[2:06:41] Voice 3: On September 21st, I attended a meeting in Victoria hosted by the Bowen Island Municipalities,

[2:06:47] Voice 3: which was for ferry-dependent communities.

[2:06:50] Voice 3: It included elected officials from municipalities, islands trustees, chambers of commerce,

[2:06:56] Voice 3: electoral area directors, and First Nations.

[2:06:59] Voice 3: And out of that meeting came a letter signed by more than 25 elected leaders to PC Ferries

[2:07:05] Voice 3: and to Premier David Eby calling for action

[2:07:07] Voice 3: and the immediate establishment of a formal consultation framework

[2:07:11] Voice 3: that goes beyond information sessions

[2:07:14] Voice 3: and engages local governments and First Nations as true partners

[2:07:17] Voice 3: in addressing the systemic issues with our BC fairies

[2:07:21] Voice 3: and agreed to keep meeting as elected officials

[2:07:25] Voice 3: of very dependent communities.

[2:07:28] Voice 3: Executive committee members attended the Union of BC Municipalities

[2:07:32] Voice 3: Convention in Victoria September 22nd to 26th. We met with the Ministry of Housing and Municipal

[2:07:38] Voice 3: Affairs staff to talk about housing with BC Assessment around property insurance and taxes

[2:07:46] Voice 3: and Mr. Neil of Waterland and Restored Stewardship to discuss Crown land referrals.

[2:07:55] Voice 3: I also attended sessions on local government engagement in provincial First Nations negotiations,

[2:08:05] Voice 3: session on local leaders for mental health, one on responsible conduct, another on building

[2:08:12] Voice 3: social consensus through community assemblies, one on food leadership, and another on strengthening

[2:08:18] Voice 3: wildfire resilience, which our regional director, Andrew Fall, also attended.

[2:08:25] Voice 3: and I attended the Survivors Flag Raising Ceremonies

[2:08:28] Voice 3: at Government House and the Legislature.

[2:08:31] Voice 3: Also had the opportunity for good conversations,

[2:08:34] Voice 3: further conversations with our MLA,

[2:08:38] Voice 3: Minister of Health, Josie Osborne,

[2:08:40] Voice 3: and Minister of Indigenous Relations, Spencer Kavir,

[2:08:44] Voice 3: as well as meeting with lots of different local elected folks

[2:08:48] Voice 3: from across the province, hearing about their perspectives

[2:08:50] Voice 3: and issues that are affecting their communities.

[2:08:54] Voice 3: and surprise surprise there's a lot of commonality and

[2:08:57] Voice 3: that's my report thank

[2:09:00] Trustee Elliott: you thank you very good

[2:09:02] Trustee Elliott: report um i really don't have a lot to add there's a there's a few gaps i can fill in

[2:09:09] Trustee Elliott: um thank you for that yes trust council met on abriola in september as you mentioned um

[2:09:17] Trustee Elliott: i've been extensively involved with the bylaw enforcement and compliance manual and policies

[2:09:23] Trustee Elliott: So if you've got any questions about that, in my view, it's a much improved document and set of policies, really has gone through a lot of work.

[2:09:34] Trustee Elliott: So it's been endorsed in principle. The final version will come back to Trust Council in September.

[2:09:40] Trustee Elliott: I encourage folks with questions about where is the problem that's going on reconciliation to listen to Mr. White's address.

[2:09:49] Trustee Elliott: us. It came at the end of the Wednesday. It was about a 40-minute talk. It really speaks from the

[2:09:56] Trustee Elliott: heart and has a deep, deep understanding and knowledge of not just case law, but how do these

[2:10:02] Trustee Elliott: things work out in practice? So many of the questions that have come up about how does

[2:10:06] Trustee Elliott: UNDRIP affect or implicate us? What things do we need to consider? How might we build meaningful

[2:10:14] Trustee Elliott: He's been involved in relationships that will work towards consensus,

[2:10:19] Trustee Elliott: because we're not there yet.

[2:10:21] Trustee Elliott: He has just a really wonderful way of framing it.

[2:10:23] Trustee Elliott: So it's the Wednesday, I believe it started at 5.05 p.m.

[2:10:28] Trustee Elliott: It's about a 40-minute address.

[2:10:29] Trustee Elliott: So I encourage you to listen to that.

[2:10:32] Trustee Elliott: There is the Heritage Conservation Act Transformation Project

[2:10:40] Trustee Elliott: has been

[2:10:41] Trustee Elliott: under review for many years.

[2:10:44] Trustee Elliott: uh currently the province has put on a hold um or given a six-week extension rather so local

[2:10:51] Trustee Elliott: governments have more time to weigh in there is also a public survey um and i think that's

[2:10:58] Trustee Elliott: available on their website there's a lot of interesting material there i would say um the

[2:11:04] Trustee Elliott: changes the proposed changes rather to heritage conservation act are not as dramatic or as deep

[2:11:10] Trustee Elliott: As First Nations have been asking for, there are vast improvements proposed that should reduce waiting times, for instance, by bringing multiple application processes into one stream.

[2:11:23] Trustee Elliott: Budget development has begun for the 2026-27 fiscal year.

[2:11:27] Trustee Elliott: Executive Committee is starting to evaluate business cases.

[2:11:29] Trustee Elliott: So we've seen a few, such as the extension of the policy advisor position, which helps us with things like letters to regional districts and other government agencies, if we want advocacy on docs or things of that nature, intergovernmental relations.

[2:11:48] Trustee Elliott: and the conservancy as well we just met recently celebrated we've got a new manager in place

[2:11:59] Trustee Elliott: Wendy Tyrell she's taken the full-time position Kate Emmings who had been a long-serving I think

[2:12:05] Trustee Elliott: 18 years with the conservancy has taken up another position and so Wendy Tyrell was our

[2:12:14] Trustee Elliott: previously a species and risk coordinator and then moved to work to salt spring conservancy and now

[2:12:19] Trustee Elliott: is back so protected areas management program has been critically under resourced for many years and

[2:12:29] Trustee Elliott: so there is a plan to really have that team so that we're not just looking at compliance and

[2:12:38] Trustee Elliott: trespasses which is sometimes all that the honest or the community team has time to do but really

[2:12:44] Trustee Elliott: starting to deal with invasive species and how like systematic ecological monitoring to ensure

[2:12:52] Trustee Elliott: that ecological values on nature reserves and in the NAPTEP protected areas are sustained

[2:12:58] Trustee Elliott: so this has been an area that we're looking to get support from trust council for a different

[2:13:06] Trustee Elliott: approach, a hybrid model in which on-island contractors would do a lot of the routine

[2:13:11] Trustee Elliott: compliance monitoring while the ecosystem management specialist would take on bigger

[2:13:16] Trustee Elliott: projects that need more attention. So that's an area that as we've cut 83 conservation covenants

[2:13:23] Trustee Elliott: and 36, potentially 36 nature reserves by the end of the year. And so all of those need to be

[2:13:29] Trustee Elliott: managed. There is a requirement that we go and visit them every single year. And then we see

[2:13:35] Trustee Elliott: this baseline report what is happening on the ground with the impacts of climate change um

[2:13:40] Trustee Elliott: species at risk stewardship degraded ecosystems new land holders new neighbors turnover turnover

[2:13:47] Trustee Elliott: and covenant there's a lot of education outreach that needs to happen so the conservancy i hope is

[2:13:52] Trustee Elliott: going to be getting the resources that it needs which is part of what our taxes go towards is

[2:14:00] Trustee Elliott: protecting these special areas i think i'll leave it there for the chair's report that was a bit of

[2:14:06] Trustee Elliott: conservancy report director fall um said he is unfortunately unable to return at 1 p.m he was

[2:14:15] Trustee Elliott: listening in but he had one item to mention is the referral for license of occupations

[2:14:23] Trustee Elliott: license of occupation from the NOLS um so I'll just quote this is um his wording since the

[2:14:31] Trustee Elliott: island's trust handles land use planning on Liskiti the province only sends a referral for

[2:14:36] Trustee Elliott: the two sites on Texeda Island the QRD this referral was discussed under the planning service

[2:14:42] Trustee Elliott: in which I don't get to vote that said some concerns that I have received from Liskiti

[2:14:49] Trustee Elliott: residents focus on two important issues, lack of consultation by NOLS with the Laskini public

[2:14:56] Trustee Elliott: and how fire risk might be mitigated. The overall application is a renewal for some sites

[2:15:04] Trustee Elliott: and new for other sites, and the no-trace approach of NOLS implies a likelihood of low impacts.

[2:15:13] Trustee Elliott: However, lack of public consultation by the applicant, while not a requirement,

[2:15:18] Trustee Elliott: should have occurred and has understandably led to public concerns

[2:15:22] Trustee Elliott: remaining unaddressed. So that was from Director Falk. Thank you to the Director for

[2:15:28] Trustee Elliott: contributing to this report. And so with no further ado, we will open Town Hall.

[2:15:34] Trustee Elliott: Only an hour and 20 minutes late. Pardon me. Would you mind keeping your fingers crossed, Professor Laroni?

[2:15:44] Trustee Elliott: sort of and people pop their hands up we'll just kind of list them in order since you know

[2:15:49] Trustee Elliott: everybody and I'll just go through the preamble so this is a town hall your opportunity to tell

[2:15:58] Trustee Elliott: the local trust committee what you think and we ask you to speak first of all to items that are

[2:16:03] Trustee Elliott: on this agenda I know many of you are here to speak to that crown lease referral and so this

[2:16:09] Trustee Elliott: is absolutely the time to speak to that speak for yourself your own interests your own concerns um

[2:16:17] Trustee Elliott: try to speak to issues not involving people or bringing in other considerations just really what

[2:16:23] Trustee Elliott: do you think um keep your comments respectful and your tone uh because you are being heard

[2:16:29] Trustee Elliott: we are here to listen to you in this in your time so um we will consider all of these things in

[2:16:36] Trustee Elliott: the rest of the meeting so if there's anything in the agenda that you want to speak to um now

[2:16:42] Trustee Elliott: it's the opportunity if you want to speak to trust council business or budget um i'd ask that sort of

[2:16:47] Trustee Elliott: secondarily let's speak to local trust committee concerns first and then we can go to other

[2:16:52] Trustee Elliott: federation-wide concerns so we've got a list going i think we're nothing was before the

[2:16:59] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, sure. Okay. And we can extend the time. I think it's typically 15 minutes for public comment. And we'd have to have a vote to extend that because we really do need to keep moving through our business. But let's begin. Ronaldo? Yes. If you could please state your name as well.

[2:17:24] Voice 8: um i'm here to try and get some understanding as far as the recreational proposal

[2:17:35] Voice 8: um problem c on the cdn and i just want to offer a few opinions

[2:17:48] Voice 8: of why i don't think this proposal should happen

[2:17:52] Voice 12: the

[2:17:56] Voice 8: first foremost one is

[2:17:59] Voice 8: forest fire it's a very isolated location and it's real close to Jenkins Cove but not real close for

[2:18:10] Voice 8: a fire truck so if campsites were allowed there I feel it would be courting disaster

[2:18:21] Voice 8: the second issue is the beauty of the location and how it would be destroyed

[2:18:30] Voice 12: And

[2:18:33] Voice 8: the third is there's a small group of

[2:18:39] Voice 2: islands called Sea Egg Is.

[2:18:51] Voice 2: It's

[2:18:52] Voice 8: a feeding area for Golgotha Swing seagulls who come there in the spring in a great number.

[2:18:58] Voice 8: and they do feeding forage there on three, I guess, eggs that spawn there in the low tide.

[2:19:11] Voice 8: So when I brought along a drawing just to show the reality of the location and the beauty of it,

[2:19:19] Voice 8: it? Can I show it now? Grouping of Islands. There's pretty weather exposed. Great. I have

[2:19:42] Voice 8: gone there 25 years. It's

[2:19:45] Voice 8: a very special location. I won't use the word spiritual, but I will

[2:19:53] Voice 8: we'll say it's a very unique and beautiful landscape.

[2:19:57] Voice 6: Tim, could you show people where it is on Martin there?

[2:20:04] Voice 6: Nope, nope, right there.

[2:20:06] Voice 5: Right there.

[2:20:06] Voice 6: It's a

[2:20:07] Voice 6: little bay right there.

[2:20:08] Voice 25: Right in there, isn't it?

[2:20:09] Voice 5: Yep, yep.

[2:20:09] Voice 25: Okay.

[2:20:10] Voice 25: Thank you, Tim.

[2:20:12] Voice 8: That's all I want to say.

[2:20:13] Voice 23: Thank you so much.

[2:20:16] Voice 21: Hey, Shima.

[2:20:17] Voice 21: Yeah, okay.

[2:20:20] Voice 21: Let me give you all a look at the intro.

[2:20:21] Voice 21: So, in fact, C. egg rocks is the only hugely abundant nesting area from here all the way to Cortez and down to the Nile Moth.

[2:20:34] Voice 21: And I'll just give you a few facts to it so you can understand.

[2:20:38] Voice 21: Jenkins Cliffs themselves are nesting sites for pigeon goulamons.

[2:20:43] Voice 21: And in the 2021 survey, there were 67 reported there.

[2:20:48] Voice 21: I was part of that survey.

[2:20:50] Voice 21: Ours was Joel and Colin Hayes.

[2:20:51] Voice 21: C. agrox itself is the only place anywhere between Cortez and Wollongong that has all

[2:20:59] Voice 21: of the following species nesting right there on C. agrox in about May.

[2:21:04] Voice 21: It's got the double-crested cormorants, the pelagic cormorants, the blockus windgulls,

[2:21:11] Voice 21: and black oyster catchers, and over the years the numbers have gone down as they have everywhere.

[2:21:20] Voice 21: Like, for example, from 1978 until 2011, there was nothing recorded nesting on CA brocks.

[2:21:29] Voice 21: As of 2021, there was three double-crested, 44 precipitate, collegiate cormorants, eight oyster catchers, 112 block-swinged gulls, and eight P.I.G.

[2:21:46] Voice 21: So that's Jenkins with CA brocks.

[2:21:50] Voice 21: They are the most important bird nesting site in the Sage Seas, I would go so far as to say.

[2:21:58] Voice 21: And to just compare it to a few other areas, well, Sisters itself is not bad for a guacus, sorry, the gulls.

[2:22:07] Voice 21: It had 61 nesting there in 2021. It had 100 nesting there in the 40s.

[2:22:13] Voice 21: And the Finnerneys, well they have seven oyster catchers, no guapas wingulls, and five billons.

[2:22:24] Voice 21: And I can go on. Around this edie, we actually have a few in every little place on Fagans.

[2:22:31] Voice 21: Jervis had four oyster catchers. Nests, these are nests, so out of that nest you'll get five birds, for example.

[2:22:39] Voice 21: hole but then when you go down to the nine hole the numbers just start to plummet um

[2:22:47] Voice 21: let's see in the nine hole Hudson's rocks in the last since 2010 has had nothing nesting there

[2:22:53] Voice 21: whereas back in um let's say the 80s there was 181 double crested 208 glochis wings so

[2:23:03] Voice 21: So the numbers are just plummeting.

[2:23:05] Voice 21: And so I suggest that we absolutely

[2:23:09] Voice 21: turn down this request, and especially in that area, which

[2:23:13] Voice 21: as far as I'm concerned is one of the most important nesting

[2:23:17] Voice 21: sites that we have.

[2:23:19] Voice 21: And I did have a little map here printed,

[2:23:22] Voice 21: which I'm sure people aren't going to see, but here's

[2:23:25] Voice 21: the CA rocks, here's Jenkins Cliffs,

[2:23:31] Voice 21: where all the pity blue moths were nesting and here's the proposed uh knoll site which is actually

[2:23:37] Voice 21: a bc marine trail site and i've contacted them and i encourage everyone to contact them and say take

[2:23:43] Voice 21: it off your list because they list it as a site that could have um four up to four campsites

[2:23:52] Voice 12: two

[2:23:53] Voice 21: to four tent sites right there.

[2:23:56] Voice 21: Thank you.

[2:23:57] Voice 21: Thank you.

[2:23:58] Voice 21: Thank you.

[2:23:59] Voice 21: I think it's, the island's trust and their goal

[2:24:03] Voice 21: is to preserve and protect, we must protect

[2:24:06] Voice 21: not only the nesting site, but the foraging happens

[2:24:09] Voice 21: all around that area that we see.

[2:24:11] Voice 21: So we're nesting there because we have their support.

[2:24:17] Voice 12: Cathy?

[2:24:20] Voice 23: There's a multitude of reasons

[2:24:22] Voice 23: and when all those and she was a part two of those that I supposedly bring

[2:24:29] Voice 23: with I believe our OCP says that there's no campaign to go out on the team unless

[2:24:36] Voice 23: it's on private land and the owners of that land were there and pushing I have

[2:24:47] Voice 23: have a real issue after the Wesley Lake fire of sitting in my deck and watching those

[2:24:53] Voice 23: apps come down on my property, and wouldn't want

[2:24:58] Voice 21: to have strangers come in?

[2:25:01] Voice 21: No.

[2:25:02] Voice 21: Yes.

[2:25:06] Voice 14: Safety.

[2:25:08] Voice 14: We have a volunteer emergency

[2:25:11] Voice 22: system here that is amazing,

[2:25:14] Voice 22: but if they can't

[2:25:16] Trustee Elliott: get to

[2:25:17] Trustee Elliott: to where somebody

[2:25:18] Voice 21: might be injured.

[2:25:19] Voice 21: It's very dangerous waters.

[2:25:20] Voice 21: Between Barksville and the Speedy Inn and kayaking books,

[2:25:24] Voice 21: they say take the ferry across and then kayak to Jedediah

[2:25:29] Voice 21: because of this.

[2:25:30] Voice 21: And we're going to have people who don't even live

[2:25:33] Voice 21: in the area using this seems kind of nonsensical to me.

[2:25:41] Voice 21: And we do care about

[2:25:43] Voice 23: the people who are on this island,

[2:25:44] Voice 23: whether they're visitors or not.

[2:25:45] Voice 23: you can't get there to help them. I don't see that as a fireable thing. And yeah, so

[2:25:54] Voice 23: environmentally,

[2:25:55] Voice 21: safety, and just the fact that we want to preserve our land. Thank you.

[2:26:02] Voice 12: Thank you.

[2:26:06] Trustee Elliott: And if your name is not on the list, we can do it for you, please.

[2:26:10] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, so I'm Anna Smith. I'm a member of the Volunteer Fire Department, and I am also a

[2:26:16] Trustee Elliott: biologist. I

[2:26:17] Trustee Elliott: have also been involved in the CA rocks monitoring for a number of years and it is

[2:26:24] Trustee Elliott: a very important nesting site for a variety of different birds and as Sheila mentioned it is

[2:26:30] Trustee Elliott: also incredibly important foraging area for a variety of birds. So I strongly oppose this

[2:26:40] Trustee Elliott: this recommended this proposed um campaign area for a variety of different reasons one being the

[2:26:48] Trustee Elliott: inevitable ecological impact on that incredibly important etsy area another being extreme fire

[2:26:55] Trustee Elliott: risk that is not an area that the fire department can get to and even if it could we are not well

[2:27:01] Trustee Elliott: equipped to fight wildfires it is an area that is remote enough on the island that it would take

[2:27:07] Trustee Elliott: quite some time before someone realized that there was a fire and by that point

[2:27:12] Trustee Elliott: it would be a large fire and very hard to contain. It is right next to a

[2:27:16] Trustee Elliott: meteorological reserve and could cause memorable damage should there be a fire

[2:27:22] Trustee Elliott: there and if it spreads and is not able to be contained it would be a significant

[2:27:28] Trustee Elliott: time delay between when resources got there to even begin to be able to fight

[2:27:32] Trustee Elliott: fire from outside of the city. That puts our own homes at risk, it puts our ecological reserves at

[2:27:40] Trustee Elliott: risk, it puts our forests at risk, and people here cannot afford to just rebuild their homes.

[2:27:46] Trustee Elliott: Most people do not have fire insurance and would be unhoused by something like that.

[2:27:53] Trustee Elliott: Additionally, if there's injuries that happen with people hiking in that area,

[2:27:57] Trustee Elliott: it would be extremely difficult to get any help to them and would have to come from outside of Liskee.

[2:28:06] Trustee Elliott: I also think that it is relatively unrealistic to believe that people camping in that area would adhere to Liskee and the province's fire requirements.

[2:28:25] Trustee Elliott: of if you have a fire during fire season when it's even allowed um that they remain at the site

[2:28:33] Trustee Elliott: say they're cooking breakfast that they remain at the site for two to four hours after cooking

[2:28:38] Trustee Elliott: breakfast are they going to realistically delay their departure though i do not think that that

[2:28:44] Trustee Elliott: is likely to happen and so the fire risk is huge there's also the impact of the number of people

[2:28:53] Trustee Elliott: toileting in that area without any facilities and the proposed building of tent sites.

[2:29:00] Trustee Elliott: I object to this from a number of different angles and that's not even to mention the

[2:29:09] Trustee Elliott: fact that there is a U.S. company. There are already established camping sites on Jedediah.

[2:29:15] Trustee Elliott: There's absolutely no reason to have a camping site on the sea. There's also the ability to

[2:29:22] Trustee Elliott: can actually camp on the Bitterby Islands and if a fire was to happen on the Bitterby Islands that

[2:29:27] Trustee Elliott: would also be upsetting but it would be contained whereas on the speedy it would not be contained

[2:29:36] Voice 23: good job um

[2:29:39] Voice 6: I basically wanted to echo one of the points we would like to start by saying

[2:29:46] Voice 6: I'm very disappointed with the staff report I believe the staff that paid the least bit of

[2:29:51] Voice 6: of attention to our community, our community needs, and our OCP, they would have noted

[2:29:57] Voice 6: that this is not appropriate for this media.

[2:30:00] Voice 6: So I'm extremely disappointed that we're here having to do this instead of simply reporting, supporting the staff report.

[2:30:08] Voice 6: Having said that, we don't have camping for profit at all in our OCP.

[2:30:17] Voice 6: We're talking about letting Crown Lab be used by a for-profit organization with no economic benefit to Luskeet Island.

[2:30:27] Voice 6: We're talking about significant cost, potential cost to Liskady Island for wildfire response or injury response.

[2:30:39] Voice 6: We're talking about an application that is vague with respect to the number of times it would be used.

[2:30:46] Voice 6: It says what they plan to do. It doesn't provide a maximum amount of use.

[2:30:52] Voice 6: use. We're talking about an application that says zero impact. You are right. And certainly

[2:31:04] Voice 6: people spoke more eloquently than I'm able to about the conservation values. So I would

[2:31:12] Voice 6: strongly urge our trust counsel to take the staff report, ignore it, and strongly vote

[2:31:20] Voice 6: against this. This should not

[2:31:22] Voice 6: happen here. You're our local

[2:31:24] Voice 6: representatives. No.

[2:31:26] Voice 6: Plain old no.

[2:31:28] Voice 6: Please and thank you.

[2:31:30] Voice 12: Thank you.

[2:31:32] Voice 21: Here.

[2:31:34] Voice 12: Gwen?

[2:31:35] Voice 12: You're not allowed to clap.

[2:31:37] Voice 21: Gwen?

[2:31:38] Voice 21: Oh, thanks.

[2:31:41] Voice 21: I would

[2:31:43] Voice 21: like to make reference to

[2:31:45] Voice 21: bylaw number 106,

[2:31:47] Voice 21: a bylaw to

[2:31:49] Voice 21: to provide for an alternative means

[2:31:51] Voice 21: of publishing a public notice.

[2:31:55] Voice 21: This is something that because many people on LISC-E

[2:32:01] Voice 21: do not have access to the internet,

[2:32:07] Voice 21: we would prefer the trust to post public notices on,

[2:32:14] Voice 21: first of all, LISC-E.ca, which is a website,

[2:32:18] Voice 21: site and our mailing list. On the rock, which is a mailing list, and people do use the rock

[2:32:25] Voice 21: for reference points. On Hotwire, which is a Facebook page, and many people access those

[2:32:36] Voice 21: those sites for information.

[2:32:38] Voice 21: So there we go.

[2:32:40] Voice 21: That's all right.

[2:32:40] Voice 21: And the ferry and a few other places.

[2:32:43] Voice 21: Say what?

[2:32:43] Voice 21: The ferry and a few other places.

[2:32:45] Voice 23: Oh, yeah.

[2:32:45] Voice 21: Exactly.

[2:32:46] Voice 23: It could be over points.

[2:32:47] Voice 21: It could be posted at other public places,

[2:32:50] Voice 21: like the ferry, the provisions, the post office, the pump,

[2:32:57] Voice 21: everywhere.

[2:32:58] Voice 21: It could be posted.

[2:32:59] Voice 21: It entirely matters so that, you know, it goes to the school itself.

[2:33:08] Voice 21: Thank you.

[2:33:11] Voice 23: Dave?

[2:33:13] Voice 4: Yeah, I just want to expand on what Ezra was saying.

[2:33:16] Voice 4: On page 18, the staff report says that the NOLS application does not affect the student's interest.

[2:33:23] Voice 4: us and I'm hoping there's a planner here um I can't see one but that can answer how big that

[2:33:30] Voice 4: crown lot the crown land parcel that the application is on how big is that it looks

[2:33:38] Voice 4: roughly 320 acres but it could be a little bit more

[2:33:43] Trustee Elliott: yes it's more

[2:33:47] Trustee Elliott: question for staff renee are you able to answer that how large is the um proposed site

[2:33:59] Trustee Elliott: landing

[2:34:00] Voice 16: through the chair i can um look up i can look that information up in the staff report

[2:34:06] Voice 16: that would be in there and i can share that as well i'll just need a moment

[2:34:09] Voice 16: A

[2:34:10] Voice 4: supplementary question while she's looking that up is, so in the land use by-law,

[2:34:17] Voice 4: subdivision district C is for crown line. And I see on the map behind you that there are lines

[2:34:25] Voice 4: through that big piece of crown line. So perhaps the smaller piece, the entire contiguous piece,

[2:34:35] Voice 4: is what would be applicable for this application in terms of density.

[2:34:43] Voice 4: So if that's the case, then it's less than 160 acres or about 160 acres.

[2:34:49] Voice 4: So it's either roughly 320 or 160. We'll find out hopefully soon.

[2:34:55] Voice 4: The Land Use By-law states that for density purposes, six tenting sites equals one dwelling.

[2:35:03] Voice 4: So our staff, I believe, are paid to analyze these documents and see about applications in terms of land use density or density period.

[2:35:16] Voice 4: And according to our rules, that they're supposed to be upholding, at best, their application says 10 people participating and two guys, which means 12 sites.

[2:35:36] Voice 4: That's not a hard and fast limit.

[2:35:39] Voice 4: So at best, they barely squeak by, but the staff doesn't make any mention of that.

[2:35:46] Voice 4: the staff do mention that they asked the province how many tenting sites are in the actual application

[2:35:55] Voice 4: and the staff made their report before receiving a response.

[2:36:00] Voice 4: So it seems completely not credible for them to write a report without this information

[2:36:08] Voice 4: and at best it barely barely passes our land use bylaw test and it very likely does not because if

[2:36:19] Voice 4: that crown land is considered as separate parcels then 12 tenting sites is two dwellings and the

[2:36:31] Voice 4: the land use bylaw says you're allowed one dwelling

[2:36:34] Voice 4: per 160 acres in subdivision C.

[2:36:40] Voice 4: So I would like the staff to answer

[2:36:44] Voice 4: how they could come up with a staff report like that.

[2:36:50] Trustee Elliott: So Renee, a couple of questions in there.

[2:36:53] Trustee Elliott: I think if I recall, the first one is to do with the area.

[2:36:58] Trustee Elliott: I'm just looking at the map right now.

[2:37:00] Trustee Elliott: I

[2:37:00] Voice 16: have, through the chair, I have information on the area.

[2:37:04] Voice 16: This

[2:37:04] Trustee Elliott: is from the

[2:37:05] Voice 16: license of occupation application itself that's on the website.

[2:37:09] Voice 16: A link to the website for the license of occupation application is included in the report for people to also access if you'd like.

[2:37:19] Voice 16: The site area for the license of occupation overall is 113.9 hectares.

[2:37:28] Voice 16: And further to that, what the application notes is that the parcel or tract of unsurveyed crown land lying in the vicinity of Burnwood Point, South Point, together with unsurveyed crown foreshore or land covered by water, contains 2.179 hectares, more or less.

[2:37:55] Voice 16: Yes. So those are the two pieces of information I'm reading from the application.

[2:38:02] Voice 16: Thank you. The 113 hectares is the whole 77.

[2:38:08] Voice 16: All 77 sites.

[2:38:10] Voice 16: Sites that

[2:38:10] Trustee Elliott: are proposed. Yeah. And it's 2.1, but

[2:38:14] Voice 16: specifically on the Muskeetie?

[2:38:17] Voice 16: 2.179 hectares.

[2:38:19] Voice 16: Okay.

[2:38:20] Voice 16: Site six of 77.

[2:38:22] Voice 16: Great. Thank you.

[2:38:26] Trustee Elliott: And could you speak to how the planner who drew the report up considered the density requirement in the LISC-EDO-CP?

[2:38:38] Trustee Elliott: Sure,

[2:38:39] Voice 16: I'm happy to answer that through the report itself because I haven't had a chance to give an overview on the report.

[2:38:47] Voice 16: I can speak to that information in terms of what the analysis was that staff reviewed for the recommendation.

[2:38:55] Voice 16: We'll

[2:38:55] Trustee Elliott: get that answered during the report section.

[2:39:00] Trustee Elliott: Thanks very much.

[2:39:03] Voice 21: Tudor.

[2:39:05] Voice 24: Yeah.

[2:39:06] Voice 24: From the very beginning, I want to tell you that I completely oppose this application.

[2:39:12] Voice 24: For many reasons stated before, but I'll go even further.

[2:39:17] Voice 24: I feel that is a much darker agenda here in the world.

[2:39:22] Voice 24: If you do some research about most of the people that are part of this company, and

[2:39:28] Voice 24: especially the lady that was the vice president of one of the defense contract American ballistic

[2:39:37] Voice 24: missile, hypersonic missile, you understand that is and they can train military thing.

[2:39:46] Voice 24: I see that as a soft hook against Canada taking over these islands

[2:39:51] Voice 24: without really having to fight with anybody

[2:39:55] Voice 24: because we don't have an army, by the way.

[2:39:59] Voice 24: And I completely oppose this.

[2:40:01] Voice 24: This is a takeover, a foreign country taking over our land,

[2:40:06] Voice 24: our islands, and who knows what will be next.

[2:40:09] Voice 24: That is at the beginning.

[2:40:11] Voice 24: You can do your own research, find out who these people are,

[2:40:14] Voice 24: high-tech. Don't tell me they cannot find a recreational place in America, they have to come

[2:40:20] Voice 24: in Georgia Strait. It's part of Trump's agenda, take over Canada, Greenland and whatever

[2:40:30] Voice 24: area would be according to the web or club of Rome, if you do the research, who is behind all

[2:40:36] Voice 24: this criminal activity. Anyway, so I'm completely opposed to that. And there is no way of stopping

[2:40:48] Voice 24: training military slowly by slowly. Like in, for instance, in Salt Spring Island, we have

[2:40:54] Voice 24: Chinese troops. Now we need American troops here. No way. We shouldn't allow that to happen

[2:40:59] Voice 24: and anyone on this island, if anybody agrees with that

[2:41:06] Voice 24: and votes for that, for a foreign country to take over here,

[2:41:12] Voice 24: I'm sorry, but that sounds like treason.

[2:41:15] Voice 24: We have to stand up against this occupation.

[2:41:19] Voice 24: We don't need any American companies, especially on this island.

[2:41:21] Voice 24: We are limited on resources.

[2:41:23] Voice 24: We can barely live ourselves the difficult life that is here,

[2:41:29] Voice 24: which I chose because I was stupid.

[2:41:31] Voice 12: But

[2:41:32] Voice 24: I can always change that. However, I feel like it's a very bad decision to say yes to these companies.

[2:41:41] Voice 24: And I wish no other island in the Georgia Strait allowed that.

[2:41:46] Voice 24: Please do the research and find out who this lady is, the vice president of Grumman.

[2:41:52] Trustee Elliott: Sir, we've heard you. We've

[2:41:55] Trustee Elliott: heard your opinion on the proponents.

[2:41:56] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[2:41:57] Trustee Elliott: I'm sure

[2:41:58] Voice 24: it might be conspiracy theories like everybody, oh, my God, what you're saying

[2:42:01] Voice 24: is reality.

[2:42:03] Voice 24: It's conspiracy reality.

[2:42:05] Trustee Elliott: Message received.

[2:42:06] Voice 24: Okay.

[2:42:06] Voice 24: Thank you.

[2:42:07] Voice 24: Thank you.

[2:42:08] Voice 24: Marty?

[2:42:09] Voice 21: I pretty much agree with everything everybody said.

[2:42:12] Voice 21: I will try not to repeat a whole lot of things.

[2:42:16] Voice 21: This two-section piece of Crown land, I live above it, and so I'm on the same ridge as

[2:42:25] Voice 21: as is Rinaldo and Marisol, and so what's between me and it is forest, period.

[2:42:35] Voice 21: No roads, and I've been there because I bushwhacked.

[2:42:40] Voice 21: I couldn't do it now.

[2:42:42] Voice 21: I'm really concerned about the fire issue because it would take forever for us to even notice that there was a fire,

[2:42:53] Voice 21: and then how to get there it's it's and since i've lived on the city there have been two

[2:42:59] Voice 21: fires that were set by people on the beach who then got into their kayaks and left

[2:43:06] Voice 21: and uh and left us with the fire and that's not fair to our volunteer fire department etc etc

[2:43:13] Voice 21: and the biological note that i would like to add to what's already been said is that um this is

[2:43:21] Voice 21: second growth forest which is growing well and one of the species that inhabits it is the northern

[2:43:28] Voice 21: goshawk which is quite rare and very special. Thank you. Peter?

[2:43:37] Voice 9: Change of topic. I'm interested

[2:43:40] Voice 9: in the electronic connection that people could have to this meeting where I believe they can

[2:43:46] Voice 9: and watch it

[2:43:47] Voice 13: and

[2:43:47] Voice 9: hear it and that's it yes several meetings ago i wanted to participate from home i

[2:43:53] Voice 9: didn't have the time to come here and i was very surprised to learn that it was not possible for

[2:43:58] Voice 9: me to have any influence on the meeting at all it was like watching a tv program could have been

[2:44:03] Voice 9: pre-recorded i can't imagine the expense of allowing people to participate in the town hall

[2:44:08] Voice 9: would be very great.

[2:44:11] Voice 9: There's no expense for the electronic person as part of it.

[2:44:16] Voice 9: The only expense would be for some such person to monitor it.

[2:44:20] Voice 9: I expect there's already a person hosting the meeting

[2:44:23] Voice 9: that's a trust staff person,

[2:44:25] Voice 9: and it would be a small additional duty.

[2:44:28] Voice 9: And I wonder why that decision was made to get rid of that ability.

[2:44:35] Voice 9: and

[2:44:38] Voice 9: there's been a gradual

[2:44:40] Voice 9: reduction in public

[2:44:41] Voice 9: participation in meetings over

[2:44:43] Voice 9: the years. We used

[2:44:44] Voice 9: to have two

[2:44:45] Voice 9: town hall sessions

[2:44:46] Voice 12: and then

[2:44:47] Voice 9: we were told, no, we could only have one.

[2:44:50] Voice 9: This is going to lead

[2:44:51] Voice 9: just in a moment to a second

[2:44:53] Voice 9: topic which I just want to mention.

[2:44:55] Trustee Elliott: So could you answer your first before we go

[2:44:57] Trustee Elliott: into the second part?

[2:44:59] Trustee Elliott: So it's my understanding, and I'll ask

[2:45:01] Trustee Elliott: staff to correct me,

[2:45:03] Trustee Elliott: that

[2:45:03] Trustee Elliott: that the legislation prescribes that you have to have a one location for the meeting and so if the

[2:45:12] Trustee Elliott: meeting is is scheduled to be in person as Liskiti members have many times said they want in-person

[2:45:20] Trustee Elliott: meetings we don't have the ability to do hybrid which is two locations one electronic and one

[2:45:26] Trustee Elliott: in person because then you're managing two spaces so if you have there is exceptions for instance

[2:45:34] Trustee Elliott: a community information meeting and i cannot remember how that is allowed but

[2:45:43] Trustee Elliott: in my understanding it's either one or the other it's either an electronic meeting

[2:45:48] Trustee Elliott: and we struggle with this on south pender because people lack internet services there as well

[2:45:54] Trustee Elliott: and so a trustee will go to a physical location and have their laptop but that's not the actual

[2:46:01] Trustee Elliott: meeting place and so i don't know if um staff can supplement at all but it's it's part of the

[2:46:07] Trustee Elliott: requirements to publish where the meeting is held and if it's in person we can't hold another

[2:46:14] Trustee Elliott: meeting in the online i know it sounds awful but we

[2:46:20] Trustee Elliott: should be able to do it technically

[2:46:22] Voice 9: there isn't

[2:46:23] Voice 9: the second location there's an infinite number of locations and each one is autonomous and it's just

[2:46:29] Voice 9: one person there usually

[2:46:30] Voice 12: it's

[2:46:31] Voice 9: not a second location determined by the trust it's determined

[2:46:35] Voice 9: by the person who wants to listen and participate and i just you know if that's that that seems

[2:46:45] Voice 9: highly unlikely it seems to me likely to be in this reading can i

[2:46:49] Trustee Elliott: can ask for some staff um

[2:46:51] Trustee Elliott: Um, feedback on this. I've had many of these questions on other islands. It's not unique to

[2:46:58] Trustee Elliott: this meeting. Um, but perhaps the meeting facilitator has some advice, um, as to what,

[2:47:06] Trustee Elliott: under what conditions can we have a hybrid meeting with an electronic meeting in which

[2:47:10] Trustee Elliott: people can participate electronically?

[2:47:13] Voice 16: Through the chair, um, your understanding is correct at

[2:47:16] Voice 16: At this time, it's across the trust, we have to, that's the only method we have right now

[2:47:26] Voice 16: is to hold it entirely in person or hold a meeting entirely electronic.

[2:47:31] Voice 16: We don't have the ability at this time to host a mixed version of both in person and

[2:47:39] Voice 16: electronic for public comment and public participation.

[2:47:43] Voice 16: patient so that's unfortunately not something that we're able to do now but we've heard we've

[2:47:50] Voice 16: heard requests and comments from from members of the public so that we have shared with with our

[2:47:58] Voice 16: director of legislative services.

[2:48:00] Trustee Elliott: I remember why it's because there is a different link it's called

[2:48:06] Trustee Elliott: a panelist link for somebody to be able to participate electronically raise their hand

[2:48:11] Trustee Elliott: be recognized it's not the same link as live streaming so zoom has two streams essentially

[2:48:18] Trustee Elliott: and if say we've got an applicant who's going to speak to their application like they're

[2:48:24] Trustee Elliott: you know other another place we have to give them a panelist link so they can participate

[2:48:30] Trustee Elliott: so it's about like it would be impossible to give everybody in liskiti a panelist link then you've

[2:48:36] Trustee Elliott: got potentially 20 people and 20 streams coming in I think it's so it's a funk

[2:48:42] Trustee Elliott: it's a different function of the technology as well

[2:48:44] Voice 9: people using the same

[2:48:46] Voice 9: technology are able to do webinars and do this yes I

[2:48:49] Voice 9: know but the Islands Trust

[2:48:51] Voice 9: is not able to

[2:48:52] Voice 12: I don't understand that it seems the

[2:48:55] Voice 9: choice that you've made to either interpret some

[2:48:58] Voice 9: policy that way and I would like you to re-examine that and see if it could be done

[2:49:03] Voice 9: because it's such a simple

[2:49:07] Voice 9: technology, it's ever present

[2:49:09] Voice 9: and so useful

[2:49:10] Voice 9: it gives people the chance

[2:49:12] Voice 9: wherever they are in the world

[2:49:14] Voice 9: to participate in that

[2:49:16] Voice 9: there might

[2:49:17] Trustee Elliott: be a way to have a

[2:49:18] Trustee Elliott: town hall link

[2:49:20] Trustee Elliott: for instance, that would be an interesting

[2:49:23] Trustee Elliott: yeah

[2:49:24] Trustee Elliott: some

[2:49:24] Voice 9: webinars have you type

[2:49:26] Voice 9: in your question and somebody reads it

[2:49:28] Voice 9: or the audience

[2:49:29] Voice 9: but an audio link

[2:49:32] Voice 9: for the time that it's yours.

[2:49:35] Voice 9: Okay, good feedback.

[2:49:37] Trustee Elliott: I know this technology makes it possible.

[2:49:41] Trustee Elliott: And sorry, you had a second question.

[2:49:42] Voice 9: It's actually a comment.

[2:49:44] Voice 9: I was sorry to see, and I don't see the necessity

[2:49:47] Voice 9: of Trust Council imposing a standardized

[2:49:51] Voice 9: media procedures by law.

[2:49:54] Voice 9: It seems to me, and I hate to join the

[2:49:57] Voice 12: conspiracy

[2:49:59] Voice 9: theorists bunch,

[2:50:02] Voice 9: but it seems to me a unnecessary first step. I hope it's a one way to do that. But of course,

[2:50:10] Voice 9: it would be much simpler if we all had the same bylaws. I'll have this one trust local

[2:50:16] Voice 9: trust committee, but it's not the direction I want to go.

[2:50:21] Voice 23: Yep, thank you for the comments. Lynn?

[2:50:27] Voice 24: So going back to talking about town hall meetings, first of all, I want to thank

[2:50:33] Voice 22: you for offering

[2:50:35] Voice 22: to facilitate something or get something together before December so that we can all get together

[2:50:44] Voice 22: and discuss the survey and the questions that are going to be asked

[2:50:49] Voice 19: and whatnot in a bigger

[2:50:51] Voice 19: venue than this and I just

[2:50:53] Voice 14: wanted to point out how much nicer this feeling of this meeting was

[2:50:59] Voice 14: today

[2:51:00] Trustee Elliott: versus the one the last one and probably the one before because I think people are feeling

[2:51:08] Trustee Elliott: like they're being early

[2:51:09] Voice 12: right

[2:51:10] Trustee Elliott: or at least able to voice it and so that is the

[2:51:14] Voice 12: importance of the

[2:51:15] Voice 12: the town hall, you know,

[2:51:19] Voice 24: getting together to talk about that. So, you know, what I

[2:51:26] Trustee Elliott: was going to ask

[2:51:26] Trustee Elliott: was if we could make this a regular, or make that a regular occurrence,

[2:51:32] Voice 19: whether you call it a town

[2:51:33] Voice 19: hall,

[2:51:34] Voice 22: which I know other places in the country

[2:51:37] Voice 15: call it a town hall meeting, or you call it

[2:51:40] Voice 15: something else um facilitated sort of by you guys but not attached so that uh we can make it happen

[2:51:50] Trustee Elliott: thank you maybe that citizens assembly information will be abused thank you

[2:51:58] Trustee Elliott: and and just before we go to second speakers is there anybody else who hasn't spoken who would

[2:52:04] Trustee Elliott: like to speak um so we've got carl morsel and i saw another hand up right here in the front

[2:52:15] Trustee Elliott: okay

[2:52:18] Trustee Elliott: oh thank

[2:52:19] Voice 21: you

[2:52:22] Voice 6: uh a couple items first of all it's an old thing there are only four days on public

[2:52:31] Voice 6: it lands on the speed. One's on that big choke that's up by here, the dia there, and it is just

[2:52:39] Voice 6: a crack in the rock that they dumped logs and you can see a little hole. Note to your

[2:52:45] Voice 6: face. Right here, there's a little nick in the rock right there.

[2:52:53] Voice 12: All

[2:52:54] Voice 6: right and it's all flatlined back up in there and that was a log dump. This is

[2:53:00] Voice 6: cliff there are two little bays here one is private this one is public they're both little

[2:53:08] Voice 6: pebble beaches all right but then you can you can actually drive to these ones through the

[2:53:14] Voice 6: ground land here all right and then this north bay is pebble and there's a small walking and

[2:53:22] Voice 6: Jenkins Pass here you walk in from here and there's they call this double beach and it's

[2:53:29] Voice 6: rocky beaches and they're small so there's very few public beaches crown land beaches on the speedy

[2:53:37] Voice 6: and they're only basically accessible by water other than those two by boat cove and people

[2:53:44] Voice 6: frequently drive down there and camp they really do and i don't see why knolls needs a lease permit

[2:53:52] Voice 6: because anybody going by there if they want will stop in and i've seen people camped in there

[2:53:59] Voice 6: pull their boat up on the beach and camp in there on that side there and they they can do that on

[2:54:05] Voice 6: any public beach in bc so why do they need a lease it makes absolutely no sense to me

[2:54:16] Voice 6: and you know weather permitting and all that so i'm dead set against letting anybody have a lease

[2:54:23] Voice 6: recent on any of it. The other thing I like to do is I like to have the OTP brought back here

[2:54:32] Voice 6: for review,

[2:54:33] Voice 12: just

[2:54:34] Voice 6: like it was done some years ago. And it needs to happen, and you guys can't do it,

[2:54:43] Voice 6: but I want it sent back here to whichever group of people wants to take it on, and then we can

[2:54:50] Voice 6: have our town hall meetings and discuss what we want. So

[2:54:56] Voice 6: the Islands Trust doesn't have to spend

[2:54:59] Voice 6: any money on it. They didn't spend any money on the last time he did it. He wanted to do it here

[2:55:05] Voice 6: and I'd really like to see it done here and the notion of planning for 2050 is a joke.

[2:55:15] Voice 6: I consider that a complete joke, in that a lot of the people that were involved in the

[2:55:23] Voice 6: original community plan aren't even here anymore,

[2:55:26] Voice 12: all

[2:55:27] Voice 6: right, and so people people move on, all right,

[2:55:31] Voice 6: and so to have a community plan overhauled every five years is probably a good idea because it

[2:55:37] Voice 6: can address the change in the dynamic to the community. So I'd like to see the community, the

[2:55:44] Voice 6: LCP, brought back here, opened up and brought back over here.

[2:55:49] Voice 6: Please. Thank you.

[2:55:51] Voice 6: Thanks.

[2:55:57] Trustee Elliott: My name is Marisol and I have a home in a 10 acre parcel, I

[2:56:05] Trustee Elliott: believe it's called Scent 2. And it is, it exists right beside

[2:56:11] Trustee Elliott: the proposed

[2:56:14] Trustee Elliott: groundland

[2:56:15] Trustee Elliott: for this normal situation

[2:56:17] Trustee Elliott: and I just wanted

[2:56:20] Trustee Elliott: to come here. I've written

[2:56:22] Trustee Elliott: in obviously, but I just wanted to come here

[2:56:24] Trustee Elliott: officially for the record and say that I

[2:56:25] Trustee Elliott: am so grateful as a family

[2:56:28] Trustee Elliott: to having a

[2:56:30] Trustee Elliott: campsite like that.

[2:56:32] Trustee Elliott: Many of the reasons that have been

[2:56:34] Trustee Elliott: already discussed

[2:56:37] Trustee Elliott: the lack of oversight

[2:56:39] Trustee Elliott: and the opaqueness of this

[2:56:41] Trustee Elliott: kind of like very concerning to me the danger but it you know all of the all

[2:56:47] Voice 22: of these but i

[2:56:48] Voice 22: wanted to actually work to the logo

[2:56:58] Voice 24: yeah

[2:56:59] Voice 23: um thank you and dave rogers yeah um

[2:57:06] Voice 20: i'm i'm uh like most people here they have said opposed

[2:57:11] Voice 20: to this recommendation or suggestion, I would like to put forward, if formal sites are created

[2:57:24] Voice 20: there, there is absolutely no way of controlling other marine access individuals from using

[2:57:35] Voice 20: using those sites and the responsibility of the safety

[2:57:44] Voice 20: and all of that kind of stuff falls on Leskete.

[2:57:48] Voice 20: What they're asking is that Leskete

[2:57:51] Voice 20: accept all of the responsibilities, all of the risk,

[2:57:55] Voice 20: all of the disadvantages while they put money in the bank.

[2:58:05] Voice 20: uh and it's not even our bank they're taking it out of our country uh it's it's totally and

[2:58:12] Voice 20: completely a uh a grab as far as i'm concerned and in absolutely no way should this uh you know

[2:58:23] Voice 20: the ski consider it as a viable option thank

[2:58:28] Voice 23: you very much thank you jake craig

[2:58:32] Voice 10: almost like entertainment now

[2:58:39] Voice 10: about 15 months ago we uh made a formal presentation to change a bylaw

[2:58:48] Voice 12: and absolutely

[2:58:50] Voice 10: it's never been acknowledged

[2:58:51] Voice 10: and

[2:58:54] Voice 10: nothing has been done

[2:58:55] Voice 10: speaking

[2:58:56] Trustee Elliott: of all the

[2:58:57] Voice 10: proposal

[2:58:58] Voice 10: for

[2:58:59] Trustee Elliott: entertainment

[2:59:02] Voice 10: you probably haven't looked at it for 15 months

[2:59:05] Voice 10: I wonder why it

[2:59:07] Voice 10: takes so long

[2:59:08] Voice 10: to do it

[2:59:10] Voice 10: and how do you do it

[2:59:12] Voice 10: if

[2:59:13] Voice 16: I may

[2:59:14] Voice 16: the camera if the gentleman

[2:59:17] Voice 16: just kindly

[2:59:18] Voice 16: thank you just for our recording

[2:59:20] Voice 16: thank you so much sorry thank you that's all right thank you

[2:59:29] Voice 10: deal with that we really appreciate or at least acknowledge the fact that uh you know

[2:59:38] Voice 10: get some facts and start using your imagination about how horrible private dogs are

[2:59:43] Voice 23: get fats

[2:59:45] Voice 10: you imagine

[2:59:47] Voice 10: the cumulative effect

[2:59:49] Voice 10: of docs

[2:59:51] Voice 10: but there are

[2:59:53] Voice 10: you can't accumulate docs and mesquite

[2:59:55] Voice 10: because there's no place to accumulate them

[2:59:57] Trustee Elliott: ok

[3:00:00] Trustee Elliott: So you're requesting that the delegation from 16 months ago be considered in the scope of the OCP review that we'll be discussing.

[3:00:09] Trustee Elliott: So thank you for that.

[3:00:11] Trustee Elliott: It's not idle entertainment.

[3:00:13] Trustee Elliott: We're here to talk about business.

[3:00:15] Trustee Elliott: That is a very valid piece of business.

[3:00:20] Voice 10: This is one of the reasons the island's not this old.

[3:00:25] Voice 10: We are slow.

[3:00:26] Voice 10: because like it like it's just sort of an ongoing stone wall

[3:00:31] Trustee Elliott: okay yeah all right your

[3:00:34] Trustee Elliott: priorities are

[3:00:35] Trustee Elliott: very clear sir thank you um uh back to second time speakers is everybody who wishes to address local

[3:00:43] Trustee Elliott: trust committee for the first time yeah first time just a wait sir just a wait there's a few

[3:00:49] Trustee Elliott: you first-time speakers and over here audrey yeah we'll just hold your comment and really we hear

[3:00:58] Trustee Elliott: you so if you have new information welcome that but first-time speakers of i'm sorry who is

[3:01:06] Trustee Elliott: maryland and

[3:01:09] Trustee Elliott: maryland and audrey

[3:01:12] Trustee Elliott: and lynn and then we're going to second time speakers

[3:01:17] Trustee Elliott: on something. I may not leave the island

[3:01:19] Trustee Elliott: tonight.

[3:01:22] Trustee Elliott: I've got

[3:01:23] Voice 23: an extra bedroom. Thank you.

[3:01:24] Voice 23: All right.

[3:01:27] Voice 14: Carolyn?

[3:01:29] Voice 14: Thank you. I'm just

[3:01:31] Voice 14: wondering

[3:01:34] Voice 14: if it's

[3:01:35] Voice 14: a

[3:01:36] Voice 14: basis of having people

[3:01:38] Voice 14: present, whether electronically

[3:01:40] Voice 14: or personally,

[3:01:43] Voice 14: would it be possible for us

[3:01:45] Voice 14: just to do a hands-up

[3:01:47] Voice 14: who's in favor of this noel's uh proposal and who is not opposed for us here and just see are

[3:01:55] Voice 14: we indeed uh you know is this unanimous so i don't feel sorry do

[3:02:00] Trustee Elliott: you want to do a strong

[3:02:01] Trustee Elliott: trust

[3:02:01] Voice 14: committee

[3:02:03] Trustee Elliott: are we good with straw polls by me all right but you

[3:02:07] Voice 24: have to raise your hand too

[3:02:08] Voice 24: Who

[3:02:08] Trustee Elliott: supports the NOLS application?

[3:02:15] Voice 12: There

[3:02:15] Trustee Elliott: is a resounding silence.

[3:02:17] Trustee Elliott: Let the minute figure record that there is zero hands raised.

[3:02:20] Trustee Elliott: Who is opposed to it?

[3:02:22] Trustee Elliott: All right.

[3:02:23] Voice 14: That is approval of it.

[3:02:25] Trustee Elliott: I don't know.

[3:02:28] Trustee Elliott: That's approximately 40 people do not.

[3:02:31] Trustee Elliott: And I would say, as you said, 77 pieces of correspondence.

[3:02:35] Trustee Elliott: And I don't, there's not a single piece that was in favour of it.

[3:02:40] Trustee Elliott: I think that

[3:02:41] Trustee Elliott: reflects what happens.

[3:02:43] Voice 21: We

[3:02:43] Trustee Elliott: will hold our comments.

[3:02:45] Trustee Elliott: I just want to hear from the public.

[3:02:46] Trustee Elliott: Thank you for that.

[3:02:48] Trustee Elliott: Anything else?

[3:02:49] Trustee Elliott: No?

[3:02:49] Trustee Elliott: Ron?

[3:02:51] Voice 17: Yeah, so I was reading an article this morning about Trump challenging Arctic sovereignty

[3:02:59] Voice 17: in Canada by sending ships into the Northwest Passage because of the ice and stuff.

[3:03:07] Voice 17: What's happening with these knolls in my mind is just another example of the way the Americans

[3:03:13] Voice 17: are going to try and infiltrate into Canada in advance of trying to make it a 50-per-state.

[3:03:23] Voice 17: So I'm totally opposed to it.

[3:03:25] Voice 17: It's a business venture and there's no benefit to us.

[3:03:29] Voice 17: In terms of the docks we had an example recently of why we need more than just one dock in Falls

[3:03:38] Voice 17: Bay because in the case of a disaster this community has to be able to get off the island

[3:03:45] in

[3:03:46] Voice 17: several spots and there's not that many places that will accommodate a dock so I think if we can

[3:03:54] have one or two or three more docks on the island that are available to the community

[3:03:59] Voice 17: in a disaster it's just an operator. Okay thank you Rob. Audrey?

[3:04:06] Voice 21: I'll add to that and then I think

[3:04:08] Voice 21: that our bylaws need to be changed to incorporate the possible six to ten sites that and only sites

[3:04:15] Voice 21: on the island where a dock can be put private or public. I think we need to rezone those areas

[3:04:21] Voice 21: so that it's easier for someone to get a dock placed.

[3:04:25] Voice 21: We need more docks, and especially with the threat of the main dock

[3:04:30] Voice 21: at False Bay going down, we'll all be hooped if we lose that.

[3:04:35] Voice 21: And even when they go to rebuild it, we will be hooped.

[3:04:39] Voice 21: It's going to take a while to get it replaced, so we need more docks.

[3:04:43] Voice 21: We're not like Piers Island that's got more docks than they have occupants.

[3:04:47] Voice 21: We'll never get that way because there are so much of the mesquiteous cliffs and there's

[3:04:54] Voice 21: so few places where it's protected enough from the wind that the docks would last more

[3:04:59] Voice 21: than a season.

[3:05:00] Voice 21: And we need to get those all labeled up.

[3:05:04] Voice 21: Carl has done extensive studies on that and could give you the coordinates for it, but

[3:05:08] Voice 21: I think that needs to be resolved.

[3:05:15] Trustee Elliott: We still have a list and we're going to keep going through. Okay, thank you, Kathleen.

[3:05:24] Voice 23: You made it really easy for me so I don't have to say much.

[3:05:29] Voice 23: Thank you, Anna and others, for talking about the critical habitat and the fire hazards that we have here on the island.

[3:05:36] Voice 23: i'm sure we all still want to learn 20 years from now for your children

[3:05:40] Voice 21: to

[3:05:40] Voice 23: go up on i don't have

[3:05:42] Voice 21: children so it doesn't affect me in that way um no this application is for 20 years and since we've

[3:05:50] Voice 21: been talking about uh redoing the official community plan every five years it wouldn't

[3:05:55] Voice 23: make sense to give up anything for 20 years um okay yeah rolls

[3:06:02] Voice 21: right in my million dollars to

[3:06:03] Voice 21: the state of Wyoming the past year or so as far as being a non-profit I wouldn't

[3:06:10] Voice 24: say that's exactly

[3:06:10] Voice 24: true their past president was paid over half a million dollars in 2021

[3:06:15] Voice 21: to be a past president

[3:06:17] Voice 21: so when they say yes they're non-shareable and they're yes and

[3:06:21] Voice 22: they're not you really have to

[3:06:23] Voice 22: look a little bit further you know straight to the bottom of that and um I understand that when

[3:06:29] Voice 22: in Switty Bay was enlarged that there was quite an opposition to having camping there and then

[3:06:36] Voice 22: when Jedediah became designated for a camping area that took some of the pressure off Switty Bay.

[3:06:43] Voice 23: So there is Jedediah, you can camp anywhere on Jedediah I believe, not just at Home Bay. And

[3:06:49] Voice 23: And so we see a cold site would be much, much more at risk of them.

[3:07:05] Voice 21: I think

[3:07:07] Trustee Elliott: so. Any more first-time speakers?

[3:07:12] Trustee Elliott: Okay. All right. Second-time speakers.

[3:07:14] Trustee Elliott: We've got Abel, Sam, Tudor, Carl, Ezra, and then Lynn.

[3:07:18] Trustee Elliott: Yeah,

[3:07:19] Voice 4: a question for the planners. When was the carry dock application file actually closed?

[3:07:26] Voice 4: And supplemental question is, I'm assuming the file is, even though it's closed, it's still on file as well,

[3:07:35] Voice 4: because the proposed bylaw was retrieved from like 2018 or something for this round.

[3:07:42] Voice 4: So I'm assuming it's not shredded.

[3:07:46] Voice 4: And while the planner hopefully has heard this question and is trying to find the date, because I would like the date,

[3:07:54] Voice 4: would the trustees in front of us agree that the meeting procedures bylaw governs you, right?

[3:08:01] Voice 4: How you operate?

[3:08:03] Voice 4: Because certainly that's the whole point of it.

[3:08:06] Voice 4: And it specifically states in Section 18 that any question of meeting procedure that is not provided for in this bylaw, the Islands Trust Act, the Local Government Act, and the Community Charter, or regulations under any of these statutes, if they don't apply, then it shall be resolved in accordance with the current edition of Robert's Rules of Order.

[3:08:32] Voice 4: order and last meeting i offered robert's rules of orders here and section 36 it's about rescinding

[3:08:42] Voice 4: or sorry section 35 subsection 2 says that it can be applied to anything so that means you can

[3:08:51] Voice 4: rescind any motion that you make and of course it also has some exemptions under section 35 6

[3:09:02] Voice 4: it says actions that cannot be rescinded so when something has been done as a result of the vote

[3:09:10] Voice 4: on the main motion that is impossible to undo so that's a direct quote so that's the only time that

[3:09:18] Voice 4: you cannot rescind a motion the staff report in this meeting's agenda package says that it's

[3:09:28] Voice 4: You cannot rescind the motion that you made to close the file.

[3:09:38] Voice 4: But my point here is the file can be reopened.

[3:09:44] Voice 4: That's not impossible.

[3:09:46] Voice 4: The dock has been removed.

[3:09:49] Voice 4: It can be put back.

[3:09:50] Voice 4: So none of those things are impossible to undo.

[3:09:53] Voice 4: So my question also to the staff is why would they say that you can't rescind that motion?

[3:10:01] Voice 4: Because you can.

[3:10:03] Voice 4: Your law, the law that governs you, says that you can.

[3:10:07] Voice 4: So please answer that question.

[3:10:09] Voice 4: And I would like the date of when we close that one.

[3:10:14] Trustee Elliott: So, staff, let me know if you can provide the date.

[3:10:19] Trustee Elliott: Some quick tips.

[3:10:22] Trustee Elliott: Through

[3:10:22] Voice 16: the chair, I have a question.

[3:10:23] Voice 16: what is this in regards to

[3:10:25] Trustee Elliott: um

[3:10:27] Voice 16: the decision to close the application uh or to pursue no further

[3:10:32] Trustee Elliott: with the application when was it is

[3:10:37] Voice 16: this for an item on the agenda well no

[3:10:39] Trustee Elliott: it's not on today's

[3:10:41] Trustee Elliott: agenda i think it's for you

[3:10:43] Trustee Elliott: i think it's to address the memo to rescind about rescinding

[3:10:48] Trustee Elliott: a previous decision so it's somewhat related um but i think effective the date of the local trust

[3:10:59] Trustee Elliott: committee meeting the decision to proceed no further

[3:11:02] Voice 5: the decision was

[3:11:05] Trustee Elliott: made so that was may 12th

[3:11:07] Trustee Elliott: thank you right

[3:11:08] Voice 5: but when was the final

[3:11:09] Trustee Elliott: code actually closed may 12th no so if a motion to

[3:11:16] Trustee Elliott: rescind has been executed in an irreversible manner you cannot rescind it if a motion results

[3:11:22] Trustee Elliott: in a contract and the other party has been informed of the vote you cannot rescind the motion

[3:11:26] Trustee Elliott: so it's basically a practical matter which we will address in um the later part because the

[3:11:32] Trustee Elliott: local trust committee asked for information about rescinding um it's about the other parties

[3:11:38] Trustee Elliott: involved right so if if something has set has closed a file or set in motion other things which

[3:11:44] Trustee Elliott: um other parties are depending on you can't hold that decision back that would be unfair

[3:11:50] Trustee Elliott: so i think that is the advice that's in the memo for today's meeting

[3:11:56] Trustee Elliott: any other questions yeah yeah okay well let's let's go to tudor thank you

[3:12:00] Trustee Elliott: yeah we're going to move down the list i'd

[3:12:04] Voice 24: like to know if indigenous people are aware of this

[3:12:08] Voice 24: non-proposal application and did they right on

[3:12:14] Voice 25: the end of the table there's a press release

[3:12:17] Voice 24: i don't have my okay

[3:12:18] Voice 25: but that i think that's from the uh first nations leadership council

[3:12:23] Voice 25: so that it's opposing the application finally

[3:12:27] Voice 24: they work for us okay yeah

[3:12:29] Trustee Elliott: because

[3:12:30] Voice 24: it's a crown

[3:12:31] Voice 24: land why would we give it to america when we have first nations the

[3:12:34] Trustee Elliott: question was um whether

[3:12:35] Trustee Elliott: There are First Nations in favor or opposed to it, and there has been a statement from

[3:12:41] Trustee Elliott: the First Nations Leadership Council that opposes it.

[3:12:45] Voice 24: Okay, so what does it take that all their applications for all these islands are rejected?

[3:12:52] Voice 24: Because even if they are in Jeddah, we

[3:12:56] Trustee Elliott: will explain that when we get to the application.

[3:12:59] Trustee Elliott: We just want to hear your questions or your comments.

[3:13:02] Voice 24: Because, by the way, it's too close to us.

[3:13:08] Voice 24: If they bring the troops there, they'll jump over and take over.

[3:13:14] Voice 24: I know it sounds very crazy, but I think that's unfortunately not the reality.

[3:13:19] Trustee Elliott: Carl, did you have another comment?

[3:13:22] Voice 6: Yes, I do.

[3:13:23] Voice 6: I just want to show you from the map behind you,

[3:13:28] Voice 6: but it's in front of everybody.

[3:13:29] Voice 6: buddy there is no place to put a dock of any sort that the wave won't take out on the entire side of

[3:13:37] Voice 6: the skiddy from here to fault bay what

[3:13:40] Trustee Elliott: does this have to do with today's meeting what does this

[3:13:43] Trustee Elliott: have to do with today's meeting we are not making any decisions hold

[3:13:47] Voice 6: it hold it i get this is a

[3:13:49] Voice 6: point of reference it's not me there are no very few places on the skiddy that you can physically

[3:13:57] Voice 6: keep a dog and there's that and i want to show you they're all on private land with the exception of

[3:14:04] Voice 6: one there up here there this is the only one this is the tucker bay site where the original wharf on

[3:14:14] Voice 6: the ski was all right

[3:14:15] Voice 6: i

[3:14:16] Trustee Elliott: understand this is very important but it needs to be considered in the

[3:14:21] Trustee Elliott: context of a piece of business that we are having to consider it's a piece

[3:14:25] Voice 6: of business access to

[3:14:26] Voice 6: the skidi and the degradation of the false bay dock okay there

[3:14:31] Voice 6: you go thank you

[3:14:32] Voice 14: thank you anyway

[3:14:34] Voice 6: that's it there's about there's about eight places that you could possibly put one and only one of

[3:14:39] Voice 6: them has public access to it and it has access to deep water all the rest of them are on the private

[3:14:46] Voice 6: the plan yeah and

[3:14:48] Voice 6: it's not a possibility thank

[3:14:51] Trustee Elliott: you back to docs um ezra okay uh lynn

[3:14:59] Trustee Elliott: and i'll try to make it quick but back to the importance of the ocp and um talking about

[3:15:07] Trustee Elliott: docs just quickly there was a decision made and i'm just going to read a quote here it says the

[3:15:14] Trustee Elliott: The Liskiti Island Local Trust Committee made a decision to enforce against an uncommitted dock

[3:15:19] Trustee Elliott: because it does not comply with local zoning code for the Liskiti Island Community Club from 2005.

[3:15:31] Trustee Elliott: Making decisions based on what happened in 2005 is crazy because so many things have changed since 2005

[3:15:40] Trustee Elliott: in the world

[3:15:41] Voice 14: that impact us here on Liskiti Island.

[3:15:49] Trustee Elliott: We're now an hour into it.

[3:15:52] Trustee Elliott: I was

[3:15:53] Voice 3: just going to say, do we need to, have we gone past 15 minutes?

[3:15:56] Voice 3: Yeah, we've gone

[3:15:56] Trustee Elliott: past 15 minutes times four.

[3:15:58] Trustee Elliott: So after these two speakers, unless you have new information, we will hold a vote whether to continue.

[3:16:04] Trustee Elliott: Otherwise, we're going to get on with our business because this is, we're hearing a lot of consensus and a lot of very similar views.

[3:16:11] Trustee Elliott: And I thank you for that.

[3:16:12] Trustee Elliott: Greg?

[3:16:14] Trustee Elliott: Yep.

[3:16:14] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, you bet. No? Okay, good. Dave Olson?

[3:16:18] Voice 4: Yeah, on page six of your agenda package, it contains a response to Grover's presentation at the last meeting about emergency evacuations.

[3:16:27] Voice 4: Briefly, the Local Trust Committee attempted to determine the social environmental effects that would need to be proven to have a private document failed.

[3:16:35] Voice 4: So basically, it says an evacuation protocol would be held by the regional district and not Islands Trust.

[3:16:43] Voice 4: us. So a failure to define what the OCP states is a failure of the LTC. Nobody else. And

[3:16:53] Voice 4: the LTC is the entity responsible for upholding our OCP. So that's your job. And it falls

[3:16:59] Voice 4: to you to define what is contained within. You have staff resources as well as an advisory

[3:17:05] Voice 4: planning commission, and yet you fail to come up with even one social effect. Meanwhile,

[3:17:10] Voice 4: the Careys were not only coming up with definitions of social effect, they were spending

[3:17:15] Voice 4: money on the lawyer to implement well before their application even received first reading

[3:17:21] Voice 4: one of the social effects that they defined was to provide a covenant on their land title

[3:17:26] Voice 4: to allow emergency access to their dog the chair the planner and this ltc in general

[3:17:33] Voice 4: has misled the public by stating that the carries did not pursue a covenant on their land title

[3:17:39] Voice 4: we spoke those words last meeting all of you received that proposed covenant and all of you

[3:17:46] Voice 4: agreed that such a covenant would be a social benefit also known as a social effect so stating

[3:17:53] Voice 4: that an environmental do

[3:17:54] Trustee Elliott: you have a question because you're sort of

[3:17:56] Trustee Elliott: you're quibbling with

[3:17:57] Trustee Elliott: what's in the minutes which is a record of the meeting and you're adding your opinion of the

[3:18:03] Trustee Elliott: intentions of the trust committee in phrasing things that this is that this is a an application

[3:18:09] Trustee Elliott: issue with a two-year history if you have a point that is new we actually can't consider or do

[3:18:15] Trustee Elliott: anything about it so what is your request or your question yes

[3:18:20] Voice 4: so first of all um the short question

[3:18:24] Voice 4: which i know you will answer is you said that they have not provided a covenant so that's not true

[3:18:30] Voice 4: the question for you to consider today because i know you won't consider that one

[3:18:34] Voice 4: is will this ltc make a motion today to ask staff to prepare a report on amending the land use bylaw

[3:18:43] Voice 4: to expand the list of locations where docs are permitted carl just went through the locations

[3:18:49] Voice 4: he has the coordinates audrey also asked that short

[3:18:53] Trustee Elliott: answer is yes it's scoped into the ocp

[3:18:56] Trustee Elliott: review so if we can get to the rest of the business of today we will discuss that that's

[3:19:01] Trustee Elliott: not the

[3:19:02] Voice 4: past it's will you that

[3:19:03] Trustee Elliott: was the answer was yes we will get to that in the consideration

[3:19:07] Trustee Elliott: of the ocp review which includes the land use bylaw review and any consideration of

[3:19:13] Trustee Elliott: locations for docs if we can get on with it i'd be really happy and last meeting no we are

[3:19:19] Trustee Elliott: are over with this period i'm sorry we have to call it you're calling it talk about the other

[3:19:26] Trustee Elliott: things on the agenda that are important to me things that we can actually hear something about

[3:19:31] Trustee Elliott: okay

[3:19:32] Voice 12: so

[3:19:33] Trustee Elliott: with that um thank you for your comments members of the public i really appreciate you

[3:19:38] Trustee Elliott: coming today speaking clearly to issues that matter and letting the local trust committee know

[3:19:44] Trustee Elliott: what is important we've heard you i've taken notes uh and now we're going to move into the

[3:19:50] Trustee Elliott: rest well no sorry we're going to move into consideration of 10.3 the crown lease referral

[3:19:55] Trustee Elliott: ca cove there was a number of questions posed um but i'll let um turn to planner

[3:20:02] Trustee Elliott: regional planning manager renee jamrat to introduce this referral and sort of what is

[3:20:11] Trustee Elliott: the status and whether they're being asked to consider today thank

[3:20:15] Voice 16: you charlotte um i'm filling

[3:20:18] Voice 16: in today i'm regional planning manager renee general i'm filling in for planner bao as he's

[3:20:24] Voice 16: away um so please do let me know if you have questions um for this agenda item this is for

[3:20:33] Voice 16: the crown land referral license of occupation this is a lease referral received from the

[3:20:42] Voice 16: province to the LTC and a request for commercial recreation use by National Outdoor Leadership

[3:20:50] Voice 16: School or NOLS as members of the public have referred to it for the location of Sea Egg Cove

[3:20:58] Voice 16: on the Skeete Island. So I wanted to give just a brief overview of the referral. I also wanted to

[3:21:07] Voice 16: to note that this report provides planning and analysis of the planning and land use policies

[3:21:17] Voice 16: and policies included in the current policy statement. The referral is also referred to

[3:21:25] Voice 16: the local trust committee as the land use authority. So that's just explaining a little

[3:21:29] Voice 16: bit about the referral process. The LTC is asked to see referrals and can through their

[3:21:35] Voice 16: consideration decide a different recommendation to what is presented in the staff report

[3:21:42] Voice 16: and this referral recommendation will go to the provincial decision maker for the crown license

[3:21:49] Voice 16: of occupation. So I wanted to note as part of this process I've heard and I wanted to thank

[3:21:56] Voice 16: community members for sharing your concerns and comments there's been a lot of concerns and

[3:22:02] Voice 16: comments shared with the LTC. And the referral agency who approves this license of occupation

[3:22:08] Voice 16: is responsible for collecting and hearing public comments and concerns and holding engagement

[3:22:14] Voice 16: sessions, which I understand hasn't happened. It's important that community members and members of

[3:22:21] Voice 16: the public comment directly with the provincial branch for this referral as the decision makers

[3:22:26] Voice 16: makers of this license of occupation.

[3:22:29] Voice 16: So in going over this, I'll give a brief overview of the application itself.

[3:22:35] Voice 16: So the opportunity for the LTC to comment is to provide additional comment in addition

[3:22:42] Voice 16: to the planning analysis provided.

[3:22:45] Voice 16: The application is for 77 individual sites proposed to be used for overnight camping

[3:22:52] Voice 16: locations for guided kayaking adventures.

[3:22:55] Voice 16: ventures. The marine campsites have been selected from BC Marine Trails Network and are spread

[3:23:01] Voice 16: across Vancouver Island. Each site is proposed to be used three or less times per year, proposing

[3:23:09] Voice 16: a leave-no-trace practice according to the referral application. There won't be any structures built

[3:23:15] Voice 16: on the camping locations, and of the 77 individual sites, only one is located within the island's

[3:23:22] Voice 16: Trust and specifically on Liskety Island within the Liskety Local Trust area in Sea Egg Cove.

[3:23:30] Voice 16: There is a link in the report to the Crown application

[3:23:35] Voice 16: as well for anyone wishing to have a look at it. There's also a map on page 64 of the agenda to

[3:23:46] Voice 16: show the general location. I apologize it's really small to see but it has been pointed on the map

[3:23:52] Voice 16: during the public comments so thank you for that. The application also describes

[3:23:58] Voice 16: the license of occupation is not proposing an exclusive use so based on

[3:24:04] Voice 16: the information provided through this application referral staff have noted

[3:24:08] Voice 16: and I'll give an overview of some of the information through the analysis of the

[3:24:13] Voice 16: policies. The Allen's Trust object in terms of it because it's not proposing

[3:24:20] Voice 16: and exclusive use. The subject property is still available to residents of the trust area

[3:24:25] Voice 16: and of British Columbia generally. Information through the review of Islands Trust policy

[3:24:33] Voice 16: statements highlighted coastal marine ecosystems, coastal area and marine shorelines, and also

[3:24:41] Voice 16: looked at those policies within those areas or those sections of the current policy statement.

[3:24:47] Voice 16: Since the license of occupation is not proposing exclusive use and there will be no structures built on the subject property, the request was generally seen to be in line with the directives of the policy statement.

[3:25:02] Voice 16: Under the official community plan and land use bylaws, a review was also completed regarding some policies on crown lands and environmental management and the referrals generally comply.

[3:25:14] Voice 16: through the land use bylaw there was a comment raised and i thought it would be good to call

[3:25:22] Voice 16: this out in the report on page 65 there is a definition the application does propose camping

[3:25:29] Voice 16: and it was noted that it complies with the land use bylaw definition with skiddy's land use bylaw

[3:25:37] Voice 16: definition of tenting site so tenting site means the area in a campground used for the placing of

[3:25:44] Voice 16: a tent for the purposes of picnicking or overnight camping section 3.9 subsection 4 further states

[3:25:53] Voice 16: that for the purpose of calculating density six tenting sites are considered equivalent to one

[3:25:59] Voice 16: density a request was made to the province so that's also right to confirm how many tent sites

[3:26:07] Voice 16: were proposed for an individual or one-time excursion but we hadn't received a reply we

[3:26:14] Voice 16: We haven't received a reply at the time of submitting this report, so that information we do not have at this time.

[3:26:22] Voice 16: Since there would be no more than three occurrences proposed in a year and it's a temporary site,

[3:26:29] Voice 16: staff are suggesting this use generally complies according to the land use bylaw.

[3:26:35] Voice 16: Shoreline mapping also describes the area as a sea cliff that's generally stable in terms of erosion,

[3:26:42] Voice 16: although rock cliffs may be susceptible to failure.

[3:26:46] Voice 16: So that was something also important and worth noting, and noting no significant eelgrass in the vicinity of the subject property.

[3:26:55] Voice 16: So again, I just wanted to highlight that overview of the review.

[3:27:01] Voice 16: The recommendation proposed is based on this planning analysis.

[3:27:06] Voice 16: The LTC may consider their interests unaffected by the referral and forward public correspondence received.

[3:27:13] Voice 16: If the LTC would like to consider another recommendation, alternative recommendation, what's included in the report on page 66 are other alternatives that we have used directly from the provincial referral.

[3:27:31] Voice 16: So the provincial referral poses these other three alternatives the LTC may wish to look at.

[3:27:39] Voice 16: so i believe um trustee peterson has an alternative he may like may wish to

[3:27:45] Voice 16: recommend with reasons provided as well

[3:27:53] Trustee Elliott: renee um i'm just trying to review if there's anything raised in the public comment period

[3:28:00] Trustee Elliott: that's not addressed in the report already um the trustees do you have any comments or

[3:28:08] Trustee Elliott: reflections or before we move to a motion i'm fairly sure

[3:28:14] Voice 3: thanks

[3:28:15] Trustee Elliott: um

[3:28:16] Voice 3: one just a correction

[3:28:17] Voice 3: from earlier in the meeting uh reviewing the um the crown website uh the the skidi partial is

[3:28:28] Voice 3: is number 27 and 77, and it is listed as 0.495 hectares.

[3:28:36] Voice 3: Just that's maybe a slight, slightly,

[3:28:42] Voice 3: detail oriented, but there it is.

[3:28:45] Voice 3: I do have an alternative motion prepared

[3:28:52] Voice 3: and

[3:28:52] Voice 25: when we're ready to go there,

[3:28:54] Voice 25: I can speak to it at that point.

[3:28:58] Trustee Elliott: sure anything any comments before we um move into a matter of the motion

[3:29:05] Trustee Elliott: just how well thought out all of these emails and comments i've received are

[3:29:13] Voice 12: okay go ahead with your motion okay

[3:29:21] Voice 3: so um the proposed motion uh would be to uh direct staff

[3:29:28] Voice 3: to respond um recommending refusal uh for the following reasons uh there's no been no adjacent

[3:29:36] Voice 3: landlord consultation no community consultation inadequate evidence of first nations consultation

[3:29:42] Voice 3: and expressed opinion as for example in the news released from first nations uh

[3:29:48] Voice 3: leadership council risk of fire lack of road access for fire department and no

[3:29:55] Voice 3: and also, of course, in all the public correspondence.

[3:30:00] Voice 3: make the motion officially i'll just speak to a little bit of um my understanding obviously

[3:30:05] Voice 3: a lot of public opposition to this um and i can't say that i've heard anything

[3:30:14] Voice 3: that uh that i that i don't either sympathize with or or totally agree with um you know perhaps

[3:30:23] Voice 3: somebody wants in some areas i really want to appreciate the um the speakers earlier who went

[3:30:29] Voice 3: of in depth about the uh the endangered birds and the biology because it actually hadn't been

[3:30:34] Voice 3: brought up in a way that i understood um

[3:30:36] Voice 12: previously

[3:30:38] Voice 3: and that's that's just good information to have

[3:30:41] Voice 3: um now i know there was a lot of talk about the nature of this being a foreign company

[3:30:47] Voice 3: um speculation around their connections to uh u.s military and um not that i don't believe that uh

[3:30:58] Voice 3: that there's some validity to who is it appropriate

[3:31:02] Voice 3: to have a foreign company having access

[3:31:06] Voice 3: without getting into the sort of more gray area

[3:31:11] Voice 3: or more speculative area.

[3:31:12] Voice 3: I did have a conversation with somebody

[3:31:16] Voice 3: from this provincial department last week,

[3:31:21] Voice 3: off the record, privately.

[3:31:24] Voice 3: And my impression from that conversation

[3:31:30] Voice 3: is those type of objections are not going to carry any weight in consideration of our

[3:31:37] Voice 3: referral response and so in the proposed motion I wrote out I did not include that

[3:31:43] Voice 3: and and the reason is when I continued the conversation I said okay but what about the

[3:31:49] Voice 3: lack of the consultation with adjacent landowners and like yeah that's fair so I stopped really to

[3:31:57] Voice 3: the things that um that person said they thought were reasonable objections on purpose because i

[3:32:06] Voice 3: want our response to be taken by uh the province in a serious manner and so keeping the speculative

[3:32:14] Voice 3: part out of it is is on purpose um so just to explain

[3:32:21] Voice 25: that a little bit

[3:32:21] Voice 12: thank

[3:32:23] Voice 21: you yeah that's

[3:32:26] Trustee Elliott: a good proposed motion i think you've captured a lot although not all of the reasons that the um

[3:32:35] Trustee Elliott: local trust committee would recommend refusal of the project um i have a question um

[3:32:45] Trustee Elliott: i guess for staff because and this was brought up i think during the public comment period

[3:32:50] Trustee Elliott: people camp there anyway that it's public land and folks have the right to access public lands

[3:32:58] Trustee Elliott: and foreshores for camping um so it's my understanding that this that these group

[3:33:07] Trustee Elliott: this group of kayakers could come and use this area whether they have a lease or not

[3:33:14] Trustee Elliott: the lease just formalizes their intention to use it in a certain way but if the lease was not

[3:33:24] Trustee Elliott: Not granted, could they still have a program to bring, you know, potentially 15 kayakers or whatever the proposal is to camp on that area?

[3:33:40] Voice 16: Through the chair, that's a good question for the agency.

[3:33:46] Voice 16: If this is a piece of crown land, members of BC, community members of BC can camp there.

[3:33:55] Voice 16: there

[3:33:57] Trustee Elliott: i well i had a question because of the upland zoning and i'm still not understanding

[3:34:04] Trustee Elliott: since marine conservation and what's the land-based land-based zone so is that adjacent

[3:34:13] Trustee Elliott: to the proposed area or it's all crown land around it like there's a property nearby which

[3:34:20] Trustee Elliott: which would have that zoning, yeah.

[3:34:28] Voice 16: Through the chair, is your question about what the referral area is zoned as?

[3:34:36] Trustee Elliott: Does it include, like, the upland land-based zone and marine conservation zone and crown lands?

[3:34:43] Trustee Elliott: Like, that whole two hectares that's proposed? Is it two hectares?

[3:34:48] Voice 16: On page 64 of the report, there's a land use map.

[3:34:54] Voice 16: that i'll point you to oh so

[3:35:01] Voice 16: it's directly uh adjacent or it touches the marine there's a

[3:35:05] Voice 16: marine zone in m1 and then there's an lb zone okay well because

[3:35:18] Trustee Elliott: in some of the correspondence

[3:35:19] Trustee Elliott: i don't remember where this was floated that it was that they were art like they've already been

[3:35:28] Trustee Elliott: using these routes maybe not this landing spot specifically but their intention is to do an

[3:35:36] Trustee Elliott: inside passage all the way to alaska and therefore that's why this is one of the proposed routes

[3:35:41] Trustee Elliott: but i'm just like it just my intention like if people are allowed to camp there

[3:35:48] Trustee Elliott: um you know the fire risks and everything that everyone's mentioned are still

[3:35:54] Trustee Elliott: a concern and maybe there's an interest from the local trust committee to like how could that be

[3:36:01] Trustee Elliott: zoned could it be zoned differently so that that can't happen um

[3:36:08] Voice 3: so just looking it up again the

[3:36:11] Voice 3: provincial land use policy states under section 8.2 any person may cancel on crown land for up

[3:36:20] Voice 3: to 14 consecutive calendar days and then purposes of calculating uh the consecutive days um

[3:36:30] Voice 3: that is not in the land use by law that is in the provincial oh

[3:36:35] Trustee Elliott: i see the

[3:36:36] Voice 3: provincial uh

[3:36:37] Voice 3: um hall of land use policy permissions uh document of uh 2022. okay so i'm not clear

[3:36:52] Voice 3: and maybe staff knows this or maybe this is a question for later when we do get into the uh

[3:36:59] Voice 3: OCP review. My understanding

[3:37:02] Voice 3: is that a Crown policy such as 8.2

[3:37:07] Voice 3: in this policy would supersede any local

[3:37:11] Voice 3: land use bylaws. So if that's

[3:37:15] Voice 3: the case, it doesn't really matter if we tweak our OCP

[3:37:18] Voice 3: and our land use bylaw. If that's not the case,

[3:37:23] Voice 3: then that's important for us to know, in which case

[3:37:26] Voice 3: if we want to if we have the power to restrict uh camping on crown land then we may want to consider

[3:37:33] Voice 3: doing that we don't have the power to there's really no point to pursue it but that would be

[3:37:39] Voice 3: good information for this committee to have i

[3:37:42] Trustee Elliott: don't think we have but my question was whether

[3:37:44] Trustee Elliott: it was zoned like the what what part is zoned crown land and then what part is land-based and

[3:37:52] Trustee Elliott: marine like is it just the foreshore that we're talking about that is crown land

[3:37:58] Voice 3: yeah great so

[3:38:03] Trustee Elliott: that's that's oh that is there oh sorry through

[3:38:05] Voice 16: the chair yep what i can clarify is

[3:38:08] Voice 16: crown land is a type of ownership it's owned by the crown and then the land use bylaw has zones

[3:38:15] Voice 16: over that particular piece of land so as we talk about or have conversations about official

[3:38:21] Voice 16: community plan land use designations the use of land in the zones we would still have to refer

[3:38:28] Voice 16: to the province as they're the owners of that crown land yeah

[3:38:34] Trustee Elliott: so we can't restrict activity

[3:38:36] Trustee Elliott: on crown land that

[3:38:38] Voice 16: would that would be something to discuss i think through that

[3:38:41] Voice 16: project if the if

[3:38:42] Voice 16: the if the community wanted to look at different kinds of land uses so

[3:38:47] Voice 3: one of the things that this

[3:38:48] Voice 3: reminds me of is in a previous iteration that we did send out for referrals of the updated ocp

[3:38:55] Voice 3: we did hear back from the province that they didn't like some of our proposed policies on

[3:39:01] Voice 3: crown land um and uh we had a motion that's been on hold um to go back and see if we can get more

[3:39:12] Voice 3: specifics from them the issue of course being that the crown is the province and the province

[3:39:18] Voice 3: ultimately signs off on our official community plan we can make whatever policies we want

[3:39:24] Voice 3: but since the minister has to sign off on our official community plan if we make policies

[3:39:30] Voice 3: that the province strongly opposes they just won't sign our new OCP and it won't be having

[3:39:35] Voice 3: any effect at all so that's just one of those things where we should we should really kind of

[3:39:41] Voice 3: know how far we can go yeah um so that we're proposing something that will is approvable by

[3:39:48] Voice 3: the province but maybe it's searched as much um yeah

[3:39:51] Voice 12: uh

[3:39:51] Voice 3: as much of our jurisdiction as possible

[3:39:55] Voice 3: but that may be very limited so where that line is is i don't know the

[3:39:59] Trustee Elliott: policy that you said is 8.1

[3:40:01] Trustee Elliott: transitory activities on crown land yeah any person may use crown yeah

[3:40:09] Voice 3: any person and it's

[3:40:09] Voice 3: not just residents of bc crown

[3:40:11] Trustee Elliott: land for transitory activities so i mean i

[3:40:15] Voice 3: have a feeling that our

[3:40:16] Voice 3: Our OCP and LUB will not supersede that, even if we change our rules.

[3:40:22] Voice 3: But I could be wrong.

[3:40:23] Voice 3: If we're wrong, then, hey, let's make it explicit.

[3:40:26] Voice 3: But

[3:40:26] Trustee Elliott: there could be a movement to make it a nature reserve and to apply for, you know.

[3:40:31] Voice 3: Right.

[3:40:31] Voice 3: And as Kathleen has pointed out, and this is important, this is why there is an application,

[3:40:36] Voice 3: is because commercial groups

[3:40:38] Voice 12: don't

[3:40:39] Voice 3: have the right just, if it was just a group of friends,

[3:40:43] Voice 3: but it's because they're charging money they're not just for the public right

[3:40:49] Voice 23: but

[3:40:50] Voice 3: so that is that

[3:40:52] Voice 3: that is the

[3:40:52] Voice 3: key difference here thank

[3:40:54] Voice 23: you that but

[3:40:54] Voice 3: as far as generally whether people can camp

[3:40:57] Voice 3: on the crown line generally yes they can and

[3:41:00] Voice 21: yet we have a sign on the dock camping is prohibited

[3:41:04] Voice 21: yes

[3:41:04] Voice 3: we do yes

[3:41:05] Voice 21: i was under the impression

[3:41:07] Voice 3: and whether it's true or

[3:41:08] Voice 3: not i'm glad we have that

[3:41:09] Voice 3: silence

[3:41:10] Trustee Elliott: no i'm sorry let the local trust committee have our discussion thank you and thank you for

[3:41:17] Trustee Elliott: the information it's helpful if you've got a note to remind us so back to the original um motion i

[3:41:24] Trustee Elliott: think it was ltc is pretty um unanimous or comfortable moving ahead with a refusal it's

[3:41:30] Trustee Elliott: just what what do we want to put in that um return in that referral response right

[3:41:37] Voice 3: exactly and that's

[3:41:38] Voice 3: why i didn't make the motion yet because rather than going through amending the motion that would

[3:41:42] Voice 3: be easier to have a conversation first so what i've got on there and i do believe i sent it

[3:41:48] Voice 3: in an email earlier to you all but uh and i know our minute taker has it but what i've got on there

[3:41:54] Voice 3: is no adjacent landowner consultation no community consultation inadequate evidence of first nation

[3:42:01] Voice 3: consultation and expressed opposition risk of fire lack of road access for local fire

[3:42:08] Voice 3: department and no identified community community benefit and the part about forwarding all the

[3:42:16] Voice 3: public correspondence i

[3:42:17] Trustee Elliott: think sensitive ecosystem like impact critical

[3:42:20] Voice 3: habitat it's

[3:42:22] Voice 3: sensitive ecosystem um i mean again i'm just because i've been trying to think about how

[3:42:32] Voice 3: the staff at the province are going to read this and if we say okay there's there's sensitive

[3:42:44] Voice 3: ecosystem here they're going to go yeah and it's a few people in kayaks i

[3:42:49] Trustee Elliott: think maybe it's too vague

[3:42:51] Trustee Elliott: um

[3:42:51] Voice 3: a little more specific so critical habitat are any of the people that had the biologic

[3:42:57] Voice 3: the biologist involved here what were the names of those birds i don't remember what they were

[3:43:05] Trustee Elliott: So a nesting area for four species, rare nesting area for four species of aquatic animals for birds.

[3:43:19] Voice 8: Very important

[3:43:21] Trustee Elliott: nesting site.

[3:43:27] Trustee Elliott: Well, and there's something more about the fire regulation, because it's really about

[3:43:42] Trustee Elliott: the logistics and the impossibility of, you know, addressing an emergency, if

[3:43:52] Voice 3: there is.

[3:43:54] Trustee Elliott: Yeah,

[3:43:55] Voice 3: I've got the known road access.

[3:43:57] Voice 3: Yeah,

[3:43:57] Voice 23: I didn't get the e-mail about the promotion.

[3:44:00] Voice 23: No, I didn't either.

[3:44:02] Voice 23: Did you send it to us?

[3:44:03] Voice 24: That doesn't mean they will not choose another crown land.

[3:44:09] Voice 24: Do

[3:44:10] Voice 3: you guys want to look at this for a second and just see?

[3:44:12] Voice 16: Through the

[3:44:12] Voice 16: chair, we can ask Minitaker Millard to pull it up on the screen,

[3:44:18] Voice 16: if that helps as well, or to read it.

[3:44:19] Voice 3: I'm just passing my laptop over so they can read it.

[3:44:22] Voice 3: Sometimes it's easier to read than listen.

[3:44:23] Trustee Elliott: i would say a sensitive ecosystem and critical habitat for nesting critical nesting bird habitat

[3:44:30] Trustee Elliott: like just add you have to add the ecological okay

[3:44:33] Voice 3: so what were you saying sensitive um

[3:44:35] Trustee Elliott: sensitive ecosystem and critical habitat for and nesting area for wildlife

[3:44:50] Trustee Elliott: life

[3:44:50] Voice 12: secrets well i

[3:44:54] Trustee Elliott: think nesting and flies nesting and feeding

[3:45:00] Voice 12: yes

[3:45:01] Trustee Elliott: and people need to leave i mean that's

[3:45:03] Trustee Elliott: that's great

[3:45:08] Trustee Elliott: um thank you yes um so i think um lisa we're just adding critical

[3:45:14] Trustee Elliott: we've

[3:45:15] Voice 3: got sensitive ecosystem and critical nesting habitat for wildlife yeah

[3:45:19] Trustee Elliott: yeah yeah impact and then large potential for impacts on sensitive ecosystems it's like

[3:45:26] Trustee Elliott: and then the risk of fire and lack of access for emergency responders would be my

[3:45:32] Trustee Elliott: choice of words um yeah impacting neighboring landowners yeah i mean

[3:45:44] Trustee Elliott: in general well i think the water um so i think the proposal was that they would you know just

[3:45:52] Trustee Elliott: take water from wherever they're landing um but there's no water there's no water in the spring

[3:45:59] Trustee Elliott: that there is is used by like the spring according to pms yeah may not have water

[3:46:07] Trustee Elliott: okay it's not a great place to supply them just go away okay

[3:46:12] Voice 3: so you guys want to look at this

[3:46:13] Voice 3: again and see if there's any more that's amended before we move it

[3:46:16] Trustee Elliott: access or i would say emergency

[3:46:22] Trustee Elliott: evacuation the emergency

[3:46:24] Voice 25: response that's nice in general and

[3:46:26] Trustee Elliott: first responders

[3:46:34] Voice 23: i don't know what your computer does

[3:46:42] Trustee Elliott: I would say potential I'd say large potential or great potential for impacts that's really

[3:46:49] Trustee Elliott: where the islands trust we have to stand strong is those impacts okay

[3:46:54] Voice 3: so just impacts yeah okay

[3:46:58] Trustee Elliott: impacts and sensitive ecosystems and critical habitat and then first respond I think you've

[3:47:06] Trustee Elliott: captured everything. I don't see anything else. No economic benefit, huge costs.

[3:47:13] Voice 3: And ultimately, we're doing our best to get the province to

[3:47:18] Voice 3: think twice and they will do what they do.

[3:47:24] Trustee Elliott: Is

[3:47:25] Voice 24: it possible to include...

[3:47:27] Trustee Elliott: Sorry, we can't

[3:47:28] Trustee Elliott: take questions right now. Just let us go.

[3:47:31] Voice 24: No, it's not a question.

[3:47:32] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[3:47:37] Trustee Elliott: I think that's good. Did you send that to the planner or to the legal?

[3:47:46] Voice 3: Lisa's got everything except for our recent amendments. I can send it as amended now.

[3:48:04] Trustee Elliott: okay yeah thanks for clearing that up about the commercial versus private because i was very

[3:48:13] Trustee Elliott: concerned because i thought well if the lease can find the use to like here's a here's the only way

[3:48:20] Trustee Elliott: it can be used then it actually could be that official thing that you could limit okay

[3:48:27] Voice 3: shall

[3:48:28] Trustee Elliott: i

[3:48:28] Voice 3: make a motion now yeah i move that the lusky island local trust committee direct staff to

[3:48:33] Voice 3: respond to the commercial general use crown crown lease application referral number one eight six

[3:48:40] Voice 3: two one seven one two six zero zero nine recommending refusal of the project due to

[3:48:47] Voice 3: the reasons outlined below no adjacent landowner consultation no community consultation inadequate

[3:48:53] Voice 3: with evidence of First Nations consultation and expressed opposition,

[3:48:58] Voice 3: risk of fire, lack of road access for emergency and first responders,

[3:49:01] Voice 3: local fire department, no identified community benefit,

[3:49:06] Voice 3: impacts on sensitive ecosystem and critical nesting habitat for wildlife,

[3:49:11] Voice 3: and direct staff to award all public correspondence received.

[3:49:15] Trustee Elliott: I just have one suggestion.

[3:49:17] Trustee Elliott: It's about the First Nations.

[3:49:22] Trustee Elliott: Expressed opposition?

[3:49:23] Voice 3: Opposition?

[3:49:23] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, it should be a separate line item.

[3:49:26] Trustee Elliott: So the inadequate evidence of First Nations consultation.

[3:49:29] Trustee Elliott: Expressed of?

[3:49:30] Trustee Elliott: Opposition of First Nations consultation.

[3:49:34] Trustee Elliott: Like, you can't say there's no evidence and then they've expressed.

[3:49:38] Trustee Elliott: I

[3:49:38] Voice 3: said inadequate evidence.

[3:49:40] Voice 3: Because in the application, they list

[3:49:43] Trustee Elliott: two

[3:49:44] Voice 3: pieces, right?

[3:49:45] Voice 3: But you

[3:49:46] Trustee Elliott: can't put those two phrases together.

[3:49:47] Voice 3: Okay, so you want it to be a separate line?

[3:49:49] Trustee Elliott: Expressed opposition.

[3:49:51] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[3:49:51] Voice 3: By

[3:49:51] Trustee Elliott: First Nations Leadership Council.

[3:49:53] Trustee Elliott: so then you can just cite okay

[3:49:55] Voice 3: so first opposition

[3:49:58] Voice 3: even though i just sent it to you lisa we're

[3:50:00] Voice 3: changing it up now it's

[3:50:01] Trustee Elliott: just a second bullet no

[3:50:05] Voice 21: fresh water i'm

[3:50:07] Voice 19: through the chair um trustee

[3:50:09] Voice 19: peterson i did get those changes to move that in expressed opposition by first leader first

[3:50:15] Voice 19: nation's leadership to a second line

[3:50:17] Voice 3: okay great okay so you got that um great moved

[3:50:22] Trustee Elliott: Do I have a

[3:50:23] Trustee Elliott: seconder? Second. Seconded by Trustee Laroni. Any more discussion? All those in favor?

[3:50:29] Voice 24: Is it possible to include?

[3:50:31] Trustee Elliott: That is carried. No, it is not. I'm sorry. Okay. That is carried. That piece of business is done. And those of you who came for that, please enjoy your

[3:50:42] Voice 3: day. It's only 10 to 3.

[3:50:43] Trustee Elliott: And it's 10 to 3. You're going to rake through the rest of this, Jen.

[3:50:46] Trustee Elliott: all right thank you staff for bearing with us that was uh yeah very uh important piece

[3:50:55] Trustee Elliott: okay so we now will consider the minutes of uh the july 14th 2025 for adoption

[3:51:08] Trustee Elliott: when there is 38 members of the public in attendance

[3:51:18] Trustee Elliott: Okay, take it by general consent that the minutes of July 14th, 2025 be adopted and

[3:51:28] Trustee Elliott: full action report.

[3:51:30] Trustee Elliott: We have any questions?

[3:51:31] Trustee Elliott: This first one of what you were asking about, the comments about the one that was,

[3:51:37] Voice 3: I mentioned

[3:51:38] Voice 3: it, but yeah.

[3:51:40] Trustee Elliott: There are policies of concern, okay.

[3:51:44] Voice 3: And we'll have to circle back to that eventually.

[3:51:49] Trustee Elliott: So, Renee, thank you for this note.

[3:51:52] Trustee Elliott: I think going forward, if it's possible to bring referrals back to this local trust committee

[3:51:59] Trustee Elliott: and ask for extensions if necessary, just is it possible to have that as a general practice?

[3:52:07] Trustee Elliott: practice um we don't tend to have a lot of referral oh

[3:52:14] Voice 3: but the crowd leads referrals in

[3:52:15] Trustee Elliott: general

[3:52:16] Voice 3: no and it's just that like we know uh in a previous agenda we had one specifically

[3:52:21] Voice 3: identified from members of the public and we haven't got a referral on it so just when it

[3:52:28] Voice 3: happens we know like this time maybe because it's the timing in august but we didn't actually get it

[3:52:34] Voice 3: like i think it was august 7th and we got it on the 26th or something like that

[3:52:38] Voice 3: with you know 10 days left so um i don't know if staff can just proactively request extensions if

[3:52:48] Voice 3: they know that the timeline is shorter or if we actually have to through

[3:52:54] Voice 16: the chair yes yes we can

[3:52:56] Voice 16: do that we can ask just build that asking for an extension to allow time for the local trust

[3:53:02] Voice 16: committee to see the referral response and confirm the decision for the recommendation yes fantastic

[3:53:09] Voice 3: thank you okay

[3:53:10] Trustee Elliott: any more questions on the collection list or updates for us

[3:53:18] Trustee Elliott: okay no so we had a request for a bio break um do we want to take a two minute

[3:53:25] Trustee Elliott: break before we return or is everybody okay what are we doing take

[3:53:31] Voice 8: a break if you want

[3:53:34] Trustee Elliott: Okay, can we do a two minute break, folks?

[3:53:39] Voice 2: Here we are.

[3:57:09] Voice 2: Thanks, everybody.

[3:57:15] Trustee Elliott: All right.

[3:57:16] Trustee Elliott: We have two, four, six, eight stalwart members of the public here to oversee our work.

[3:57:21] Voice 21: We're checking up on them.

[3:57:23] Voice 21: As

[3:57:23] Trustee Elliott: long as she's coming back.

[3:57:26] Trustee Elliott: Okay, that's fine.

[3:57:27] Trustee Elliott: We'll proceed as we need to.

[3:57:31] Trustee Elliott: so with the 8.2 um the question was asked mr folson and we well you made the motion staff

[3:57:43] Trustee Elliott: um i guess uh could you present this report on behalf of planner ba about uh the potential to

[3:57:51] Trustee Elliott: rescind a resolution from a previous meeting the motion was that the skiddy local trust committee

[3:58:06] Trustee Elliott: request staff to advise on the potential ability and process to receive resolution la 2025-007

[3:58:14] Trustee Elliott: that's ddl and local trust committee proceed no further in land use bylaw amendment application

[3:58:18] Trustee Elliott: larz 2023.1

[3:58:21] Voice 12: all

[3:58:23] Trustee Elliott: right

[3:58:29] Voice 23: for you renee thank

[3:58:32] Voice 16: you through the chair i don't have too much

[3:58:34] Voice 16: more to share in terms of this report um i do want to just capture just pulling from this

[3:58:41] Voice 16: memorandum that in some instances the LTC can rescind a resolution that's been

[3:58:47] Voice 16: carried but however when substantive action has been taken to carry out the

[3:58:52] Voice 16: direction from the LTC the resolution cannot unfortunately be rescinded so

[3:58:58] Voice 16: with respect to this particular resolution by law enforcement staff it

[3:59:03] Voice 16: was confirmed had taken substantive action in response to the LTC's decision

[3:59:07] Voice 16: decision and a result the resolution could not be rescinded the rezoning application file has

[3:59:14] Voice 16: been closed in accordance with the Liskety Islands development procedure bylaw and the applicant

[3:59:19] Voice 16: applicant would need to wait for a year to resubmit an application request however if the

[3:59:27] Voice 16: LTC wishes to inform the applicant that they could consider a new application sooner the LTC can pass

[3:59:33] Voice 16: a resolution to indicate they agree to that okay

[3:59:40] Trustee Elliott: so a question is the principle being that if

[3:59:44] Trustee Elliott: yeah substantive action has been taken uh other parties have been notified we can't

[3:59:51] Trustee Elliott: take that back um and pick a different course um did planter ball get advice

[4:00:00] Trustee Elliott: Do you know from Legislative Services?

[4:00:05] Trustee Elliott: Through the Chair, yes.

[4:00:08] Voice 16: And this report reflects that advice, also including advice from Director of Legislative

[4:00:17] Voice 16: Services.

[4:00:18] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[4:00:19] Voice 16: So the information, just to clarify, the information was confirmed about the instance when a resolution

[4:00:25] Voice 16: can be rescinded and the substantive action.

[4:00:30] Voice 16: undertaken to confirm this particular situation for instance right

[4:00:35] Trustee Elliott: any questions or discussion on

[4:00:38] Trustee Elliott: this

[4:00:38] Voice 12: okay

[4:00:39] Trustee Elliott: good to check and good to understand okay item 8.1 no 10.1 um so this is the bylaw

[4:00:52] Trustee Elliott: referral for policy statement number 183 uh we've had lots of discussion in the community information

[4:00:59] Trustee Elliott: information meeting about it. But just to reiterate for everyone, the expected referral response from the LTC and Island Trust Conservancy is no later than February 6th, 2026. So we are hoping to hear from community members. There is paid for surveys available. You said there's still some provisions.

[4:01:19] Trustee Elliott: What does

[4:01:20] Trustee Elliott: it be yesterday morning? If you need more copies or paper copies, I guess email. Get

[4:01:26] Voice 3: in touch with me. I

[4:01:27] Trustee Elliott: have a printer

[4:01:27] Voice 3: that works again.

[4:01:29] Trustee Elliott: works the printer works excellent and

[4:01:31] Voice 16: through the chair if i may the lp

[4:01:34] Voice 16: um director claire

[4:01:36] Voice 16: fader is also on the line should you have any questions about the briefing or the following

[4:01:41] Voice 16: memorandum to this report um

[4:01:46] Voice 12: i

[4:01:47] Trustee Elliott: guess i do have a question because we haven't actually had a

[4:01:51] Trustee Elliott: referral response yet through an ltc um what if there's real mixed views in the community some

[4:01:59] Trustee Elliott: Some support these aspects and some support those aspects.

[4:02:02] Trustee Elliott: Oh, Director Frater, hello.

[4:02:05] Trustee Elliott: So I haven't experienced giving a referral response from an LTC before.

[4:02:15] Trustee Elliott: What if we're hearing conflicting information

[4:02:17] Trustee Elliott: and does the LTC have to have a consensus on,

[4:02:23] Trustee Elliott: okay, this represents the will of the community

[4:02:27] Trustee Elliott: or is can it be nuanced these are the things that raise concern these are the things that

[4:02:33] Trustee Elliott: everybody agrees on um sort of what what are you expecting in terms of referral responses

[4:02:40] Voice 1: um what i would say is there's a bylaw response form on your agenda um and i think it's for you

[4:02:47] Voice 1: to determine after what you've heard where does where does the local trust committee itself land

[4:02:51] Voice 1: um in terms of that's it's really it's ultimately a political question like you're going to hear

[4:02:55] Voice 1: from your community and then it's for the local trust committee itself to form its views about

[4:02:59] Voice 1: what it'd like to say in its referral response and in getting the referral the bylaw referral

[4:03:05] Voice 1: form completed um i'm just opening it here for you because so it could

[4:03:11] Trustee Elliott: be like approval

[4:03:12] Trustee Elliott: recommended subject to conditions hello yeah

[4:03:18] Voice 12: right

[4:03:18] Trustee Elliott: and

[4:03:20] Voice 1: you could choose to make recommendations

[4:03:22] Voice 1: around what content you think needs to be changed back to trust council okay

[4:03:26] Voice 14: great

[4:03:29] Trustee Elliott: questions

[4:03:32] Trustee Elliott: comments this will be interesting but

[4:03:34] Voice 3: i'm gonna endeavor to try and set up a date with marty

[4:03:39] Voice 3: and uh have a some type of event at the hall hopefully i think he said before november so

[4:03:45] Voice 3: i

[4:03:46] Voice 21: was hoping before november yeah

[4:03:47] Voice 3: um because then that would be and then as far as that goes

[4:03:51] Voice 3: shows i think on my calendar it's likely to be uh like on a weekend probably going to be like a

[4:04:00] Voice 3: sunday um so obviously i would let you guys know if you can make it

[4:04:05] Voice 21: and then there's no morning

[4:04:07] Voice 21: fairy on sunday all

[4:04:08] Voice 3: right you'd have to come saturday night um let

[4:04:11] Voice 21: you work it out but anyway

[4:04:13] Voice 3: i'll let you know that and the other thing i was thinking is that i should be able to record

[4:04:20] Voice 3: record with this like an osb recording can

[4:04:26] Trustee Elliott: we use um the file is just equipment for a community

[4:04:30] Trustee Elliott: information meeting that we are not sponsoring

[4:04:33] Voice 3: so i guess there's a question well

[4:04:35] Trustee Elliott: surely somebody

[4:04:38] Voice 3: yeah and it's not if we're not we're at the

[4:04:40] Voice 3: same policy yeah

[4:04:41] Trustee Elliott: i'm so question if there's a community

[4:04:46] Trustee Elliott: information meeting it's it's more what would you do with the recording um the purpose of the

[4:04:52] Trustee Elliott: recording would be to like confirm what people have said but i think you're looking for general

[4:04:58] Trustee Elliott: well

[4:04:58] Voice 3: i think that to me the purpose of the recording would be for the other members of

[4:05:03] Voice 3: local trust committee to be able to see

[4:05:06] Voice 21: the reaction here

[4:05:07] Voice 3: if they can't make it in person

[4:05:10] Voice 3: that seem to be the only real reason like i don't we're not going to post it on the website because

[4:05:15] Voice 3: it's not going to be an island's trust meeting okay

[4:05:19] Trustee Elliott: that's an interesting consideration so

[4:05:22] Trustee Elliott: you can have a zoom meeting on your zoom account no

[4:05:26] Voice 3: no i just you know how you can do the non-zoom

[4:05:29] Voice 3: recording on these i'm

[4:05:30] Trustee Elliott: not going to watch a three out five hour meeting that i can't eat the food

[4:05:34] Voice 21: Well, you better come then.

[4:05:40] Trustee Elliott: Y'all going to feed me if I'm going to come out here for a five-hour meeting, right?

[4:05:45] Voice 3: Anyway, just a thought.

[4:05:47] Trustee Elliott: We'll work the details out.

[4:05:49] Voice 3: At any

[4:05:49] Voice 3: rate, we're not going to give her her own response today.

[4:05:51] Voice 3: The

[4:05:51] Trustee Elliott: desire of the community is to have a meeting and be able to shape the response, which will come in December.

[4:05:58] Trustee Elliott: So thank you, staff.

[4:05:59] Trustee Elliott: We'll let you go.

[4:06:01] Trustee Elliott: Appreciate that.

[4:06:02] Voice 21: Thank you.

[4:06:04] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[4:06:06] Trustee Elliott: and now to 10.3 we've done 14 is that it

[4:06:14] Voice 3: 11.1 what's 11

[4:06:15] Voice 3: business case

[4:06:17] Voice 3: so

[4:06:17] Trustee Elliott: let's skip over to the business case thank you

[4:06:22] Voice 12: all

[4:06:23] Trustee Elliott: right so 11 thank you over to you monitor don't rot thank

[4:06:30] Voice 16: you so i'm just queuing up the

[4:06:32] Voice 16: next item here on the agenda. Pardon me. We're only an hour

[4:06:37] Trustee Elliott: late for the addendum, right?

[4:06:39] Trustee Elliott: Pretty good. We

[4:06:42] Trustee Elliott: do have to leave.

[4:06:44] Voice 14: I have to leave. Maybe I'm not leaving. Okay.

[4:06:50] Voice 16: 11.1. Okay. This is the addendum that was attached. It's not part of the

[4:06:57] Voice 16: the agenda. It's a separate edition for those looking for the agenda on the website. It's an

[4:07:05] Voice 16: actual edition. So it's not in the package itself. So before you is a business case

[4:07:13] Voice 16: presenting for the official community plan review project for next fiscal year. This would be for

[4:07:18] Voice 16: the fiscal year of 2026 to 2027. I wanted to provide a bit of an overview because what you'll

[4:07:29] Voice 16: see here presented is for the official community plan review rather than the what was requested

[4:07:37] Voice 16: initially as the official community plan and land use bylaw review so there's two items here that

[4:07:45] Voice 16: are attached to the report the draft business case which is needed uh the ltc would need to

[4:07:52] Voice 16: approve that so any questions on that business case report as well as a draft project charter

[4:08:01] Voice 16: which reflects that business case and the plan to begin that work based on the just having a scope

[4:08:11] Voice 16: for the official community plan review. So in terms of this project it was important to capture

[4:08:19] Voice 16: sure staff and including myself we were looking at the project work that was identified through

[4:08:26] Voice 16: the scope that the LTC has asked for the work that has been done to date by community members

[4:08:33] Voice 16: the input provided and the information meetings and the meet the information from the advisory

[4:08:43] Voice 16: planning committee. So all of that good work has been done and moved forward into this particular

[4:08:50] Voice 16: project, which is sitting at second reading. Also, there's been a couple other pieces to

[4:08:59] Voice 16: recognize in that there's been expressed request from SNAS Nation to have a conversation before

[4:09:07] Voice 16: the project progresses forward. And the LTC has said, yes, we would like that to happen as well.

[4:09:14] Voice 16: This project is also with the Regional Planning Committee to undertake, and the timeframe expressed for that is fall-winter, so that will need to go to the Regional Planning Committee to initiate as well, and that hasn't happened just yet.

[4:09:33] Voice 16: But the next opportunity for that will be coming up for that work to begin.

[4:09:37] Voice 16: So in terms of where we're sitting at, it was a bit of a little bit of a sort of a work plan challenge to accurately capture the work that recognizing there would be work started this fiscal year and then ensure we're capturing work for next fiscal year.

[4:10:00] Voice 16: We're not sort of repeating our steps here.

[4:10:05] Voice 16: So to the best of our ability is what's presented for the business case in the event that we

[4:10:13] Voice 16: don't get completed as much work as we would like to this fiscal.

[4:10:17] Voice 16: So it's a bit of a, we're trying to not do too much of a crystal ball exercise, but we're

[4:10:22] Voice 16: trying to proactively plan to give the most opportunity for the work to continue on next

[4:10:28] Voice 16: fiscal year.

[4:10:31] Voice 16: Also in terms of this review for the work plan,

[4:10:36] Voice 16: there weren't, in terms of the scope,

[4:10:39] Voice 16: there weren't too many changes requested

[4:10:42] Voice 16: for land use bylaw.

[4:10:44] Voice 16: So in looking at what was included in the overall work plan,

[4:10:50] Voice 16: what is suggested now instead is to just focus

[4:10:55] Voice 16: on the official community plan work

[4:10:57] Voice 16: and have that completed this fiscal, next fiscal

[4:11:01] Voice 16: and the fiscal after that, leading into what would be bylaw readings and adoption,

[4:11:07] Voice 16: and then subsequent years request and wind up the land use bylaw review. It's also recognized that

[4:11:15] Voice 16: through conversations with the community on the official community plan, there will be some topics

[4:11:20] Voice 16: identified that are important that will lend itself to the land use bylaw review. So it would

[4:11:28] Voice 16: would be expected and anticipated that some of that information can already inform some of that

[4:11:35] Voice 16: land use bylaw review that would happen in future years. So the business case for next fiscal is

[4:11:43] Voice 16: being proposed for $14,000 to provide sufficient funding to complete the project work and includes

[4:11:52] Voice 16: work such as consultation with First Nations Advisory Planning Committee and Community Review

[4:12:00] Voice 16: review, a review of the options, doing some analysis, and drafting the anticipated policy

[4:12:07] Voice 16: work leading into the bylaw readings, continued bylaw readings.

[4:12:12] Voice 16: As a major project, it would continue to be managed by a planner and the regional planning

[4:12:17] Voice 16: team, and also supported by the assigned island planner for Liskiti, and additional support

[4:12:24] Voice 16: from support staff, myself, mapping, and administration.

[4:12:28] Voice 16: administration. Then there's no consultants proposed for this project. So I'll pause here

[4:12:39] Voice 16: for any questions you may have, because I know there were some questions from members of the

[4:12:44] Voice 16: public about what the OCP can address. Information about docs has been captured in the scope of the

[4:12:53] Voice 16: project. But if there's an opportunity, the LTC would like to reconfirm some of those aspects,

[4:12:59] Voice 16: I'm happy to do that now, just so we can, you know, ensure that's covered in the current scope, and that's in the business case and the draft project charter that's attached to this report.

[4:13:18] Trustee Elliott: Trustee's journey first. Do you have questions?

[4:13:24] Voice 3: No, I think everything that we had asked for is here.

[4:13:31] Voice 3: here um the only thing i would say is that the um my proposal for a um minor project um

[4:13:45] Voice 3: if that is approved by the local trust committee then that piece should come out of the

[4:13:50] Voice 3: in scope section on the project charter other than that i think i'm good with it all

[4:13:57] Voice 16: through

[4:13:59] Voice 16: Through the chair, Trustee Peterson's referring to in the draft project charter in the yellow column in scope, there's a particular bullet at the bottom, the second last one, amendment to adjust the minimum lot size to from, that's a typo, pardon me, from 4.0 hectares to 4.046 hectares.

[4:14:20] Voice 16: right

[4:14:21] Trustee Elliott: and i guess what is the relative advantage to i guess we're getting into that new business

[4:14:29] Trustee Elliott: item as opposed to this but they're related um i thought we were told when when we asked about

[4:14:37] Trustee Elliott: could we start first nations engagement as a minor project to at least get some of the work

[4:14:44] Trustee Elliott: underway for the ocp review knowing that the community has been anxiously waiting for this

[4:14:51] Trustee Elliott: staff returned with no that wouldn't be possible because it's in scope of the ocp review

[4:14:56] Trustee Elliott: so now i'm asking why would it be uh if there's something that's in scope in the ocp review

[4:15:03] Trustee Elliott: would it be pulled out to be a minor project because that seems to be contrary to the advice

[4:15:07] Trustee Elliott: we thought before and

[4:15:08] Voice 3: i would totally leave this to um to the regional planning manager

[4:15:13] Voice 3: to have a great conversation about this the other day that's

[4:15:16] Trustee Elliott: why i'm asking her not you

[4:15:19] Trustee Elliott: through

[4:15:19] Voice 16: the chair um so the the conversation the question asked about uh starting engagement early

[4:15:27] Voice 16: with nations relates to i think an integral part of the project and a lot of the project work for

[4:15:36] Voice 16: the official community plan in terms of hearing what um what a nation's concerns and interests are

[4:15:45] Voice 16: In addition to the other engagement pieces that would happen, speaking with the community and the advisory planning committee.

[4:15:56] Voice 16: So in terms of that response, I think that response still makes sense.

[4:16:00] Voice 16: that stands in terms of a land use bylaw amendment what we're

[4:16:05] Voice 16: suggesting is to move that

[4:16:10] Voice 16: move land use bylaw revisions and review to a separate major project because there will likely

[4:16:20] Voice 16: be the next steps to an OCP there is usually a land use bylaw review that follows that does a

[4:16:28] Voice 16: a fulsome review of the land use bylaw with any changes to official community plan policies

[4:16:33] Voice 16: that considers and thinks about, well, how does this impact the regulations of the zoning that

[4:16:40] Voice 16: are included in a land use bylaw? So it may not just be this one particular minimum lot size

[4:16:47] Voice 16: land use change. It might be a suite of others that we learn that come from the official community

[4:16:53] Voice 16: plan update. So that's why I'm suggesting it makes

[4:16:57] Voice 16: sense to place that land use

[4:17:01] Voice 16: bylaw revision to a future project or

[4:17:04] Voice 16: I know that Trustee Pearson has another idea through new business

[4:17:09] Voice 16: that he'll also raise. That said,

[4:17:14] Voice 16: if this is possible and this is what I would

[4:17:18] Voice 16: want to move through the regional planning team in a

[4:17:23] Voice 16: a future fiscal project, if there's a possibility that it could be included in scope for a big

[4:17:30] Voice 16: major project, I would use the major project as an example, it would take some time as

[4:17:37] Voice 16: opposed to doing it as a minor project.

[4:17:39] Voice 16: So the timing of that would happen at a different time than a point-in-time minor project action

[4:17:47] Voice 16: item.

[4:17:49] Voice 16: Yeah.

[4:17:49] Voice 16: Yeah, I

[4:17:53] Trustee Elliott: guess it's hard to talk about.

[4:17:58] Trustee Elliott: I almost want to table this so that we can talk about the new business item,

[4:18:02] Trustee Elliott: make a decision, then come back.

[4:18:03] Trustee Elliott: I

[4:18:04] Voice 3: think that's a great idea, and I support that.

[4:18:06] Trustee Elliott: Because they're related, and it's really about how are we prioritizing

[4:18:11] Trustee Elliott: this minor project as a doable, something that's fairly non-controversial,

[4:18:18] Trustee Elliott: isn't going to take a lot of resources maybe um so i ltc would do you support sort of

[4:18:29] Trustee Elliott: tabling this discussion right now and then

[4:18:31] Trustee Elliott: um finish the new business item and then come back

[4:18:36] Trustee Elliott: to it what one

[4:18:38] Voice 16: thing i may offer through the chair i'll pause yeah go ahead

[4:18:42] Voice 16: um one thing i

[4:18:44] Voice 16: may offer in sort of the order of your your large policy documents your large community documents

[4:18:50] Voice 16: is that there will likely be a recommendation from staff

[4:18:55] Voice 16: in future years as the OCP project nears completion

[4:18:59] Voice 16: to recommend bringing up a bigger review

[4:19:02] Voice 16: for your land use bylaw.

[4:19:04] Voice 16: So even if a small land use change is made

[4:19:08] Voice 16: sooner than this OCP review is done,

[4:19:13] Voice 16: it would still, the land use bylaw

[4:19:14] Voice 16: would still need a review to happen, right?

[4:19:17] Voice 16: 100% yeah yeah so that that's that's the other that's the only other consideration I would add

[4:19:24] Voice 16: is it's

[4:19:26] Trustee Elliott: just that latest

[4:19:26] Voice 16: bylaw needs to happen in a more fulsome way anyways yeah

[4:19:29] Trustee Elliott: 100%

[4:19:31] Trustee Elliott: okay well let's come back to this discussion because uh I think we'll have to amend the scope

[4:19:37] Trustee Elliott: if we um change or direct a modern project so thank you for the background and let's go to

[4:19:47] Trustee Elliott: 14.1?

[4:19:48] Voice 3: 13, yeah. 13?

[4:19:50] Voice 25: 13.1, I believe.

[4:19:51] Trustee Elliott: Oh, my loss. I

[4:19:53] Voice 25: am

[4:19:55] Trustee Elliott: not looking at the right thing.

[4:19:56] Trustee Elliott: There is, oh, 13 is next. Excellent. So, if you'd like to introduce your item of new business.

[4:20:05] Trustee Elliott: Certainly.

[4:20:05] Voice 3: So, the idea is to have a motion prepared to amend the land use bylaw by changing

[4:20:16] Voice 3: the minimum lot size at subdivision from 4.0 hectares to 4.04686 hectares which is 10 acres

[4:20:26] Voice 3: as a minor project in conversation with staff because of the relatively straightforward scope

[4:20:35] Voice 3: of this it is seen as doable it is seen as fitting within the minor piece it's a piece that we got

[4:20:42] Voice 3: definitely heard some frustration around the last round and it seems to fit as a minor project

[4:20:50] Voice 3: and I'll leave it there and then make the motion when you're ready.

[4:20:55] Voice 23: How many decimal points is that?

[4:20:58] Voice 8: Several.

[4:21:00] Trustee Elliott: I remember my first meeting on Muskegee this was this was off.

[4:21:04] Trustee Elliott: Okay

[4:21:05] Voice 3: make your motion. Okay I move that the Muskegee Local Trust Committee add amendments

[4:21:11] Voice 3: to the land use bylaw by changing the minimum lot size and subdivision from 4.0 hectares

[4:21:16] Voice 3: to 4.04686 hectares as a minor project for this fiscal year so

[4:21:25] Trustee Elliott: that goes to be looking

[4:21:26] Trustee Elliott: at the add amendment is

[4:21:29] Voice 3: that bad amendment to the land use bylaw as a minor project

[4:21:33] Voice 3: how

[4:21:34] Trustee Elliott: about just amend because

[4:21:37] Voice 3: we're adding it as a minor project i think that was my

[4:21:41] Voice 3: through the

[4:21:42] Voice 16: chair you could uh a friendly uh change to that motion i'll pause in case you

[4:21:48] Voice 16: wanted to please

[4:21:49] Trustee Elliott: do i don't like the rumor it

[4:21:51] Voice 16: could be something like that the liskiti local

[4:21:54] Voice 16: trust committee amend the land use bylaw by changing the minimum lot size at subdivision

[4:22:00] Voice 16: and

[4:22:00] Voice 5: add

[4:22:03] Voice 16: an ad um and make that a minor project for this fiscal year yes

[4:22:11] Voice 3: but if we just say

[4:22:11] Voice 3: amend as a minor project

[4:22:14] Voice 3: that should work

[4:22:14] Trustee Elliott: for you. No, you're going to amend

[4:22:16] Trustee Elliott: the Lanny's bylaw by

[4:22:17] Trustee Elliott: and then everything is the same, comma

[4:22:21] Voice 3: comma as a

[4:22:22] Voice 25: minor project for this fiscal year.

[4:22:25] Trustee Elliott: And

[4:22:28] Trustee Elliott: execute? What was the

[4:22:30] Trustee Elliott: language you used, Renee?

[4:22:32] Voice 16: You can end add as

[4:22:34] Voice 16: a minor project. Add as a minor project.

[4:22:36] Voice 16: Thank you.

[4:22:38] Trustee Elliott: For this fiscal year. Perfect.

[4:22:42] Trustee Elliott: Sold.

[4:22:44] Trustee Elliott: Do we have a motion read out just so the minute taker knows what we're talking about?

[4:22:53] Voice 19: Chair Elliott, I have that the Liskety Island Local Trust Committee amend the land use bylaw

[4:23:00] Voice 19: by changing the minimum lot size at subdivision from 4.0 hectares to 4.04686 hectares and

[4:23:09] Voice 19: add as a minor project for this fiscal year.

[4:23:13] Trustee Elliott: Sure. Do we want to add Laskiti land use bylaw number 78?

[4:23:17] Trustee Elliott: I

[4:23:17] Voice 3: don't think so. We do need to. We stipulated it's the least Laskiti local trust committee, right?

[4:23:22] Trustee Elliott: Fine. Okay. Moved and seconded. All those in favor? That is carried.

[4:23:28] Trustee Elliott: Okay. We've decided on a minor project. Thank you for consulting with staff ahead of time.

[4:23:33] Trustee Elliott: That's very important because they can tell us what is possible and not.

[4:23:36] Trustee Elliott: back to 11.1 consideration of the ocp project let's get this done as craig keeps telling us

[4:23:48] Voice 16: thank you through the chair so um just uh just to add um for your for that minor project it'll

[4:23:56] Voice 16: appear on the minor project list following this meeting so that'll be reflected in the next

[4:24:02] Voice 16: agenda that the community will see as well in the LTC thank

[4:24:07] Trustee Elliott: you so much so for

[4:24:09] Voice 16: 11.0 so i'll pause yeah

[4:24:11] Trustee Elliott: go ahead i

[4:24:12] Voice 3: was going to move that the lucidity local trust committee um

[4:24:18] Voice 3: amend the project charter by removing from the in scope section no come on get down there

[4:24:33] Voice 3: that bullet the

[4:24:38] Trustee Elliott: minimum lot size the

[4:24:40] Voice 3: minimum lot size amendment to the adjusted minimum lot size

[4:24:44] Trustee Elliott: okay

[4:24:45] Voice 3: remove from the inscope let's

[4:24:49] Trustee Elliott: do these one at a time there might be other things to

[4:24:52] Trustee Elliott: change or amend or add so um is that clear uh lisa chair

[4:25:02] Voice 19: elliott what i have is that the

[4:25:03] Voice 19: the Liskety Island Local Trust Committee amend the project charter by removing from the in-scope

[4:25:08] Voice 19: section the amendment to the minimum lot size.

[4:25:13] Trustee Elliott: Okay, moved. Do I have a seconder? Seconded by

[4:25:16] Trustee Elliott: Trustee Laroni. All those in favor? That is carried. Excellent. So I'm still a little confused

[4:25:26] Trustee Elliott: about what we're starting this year because this was supposed to start in winter whenever

[4:25:34] Trustee Elliott: never, we had plenty of resources.

[4:25:37] Trustee Elliott: So the budget that was approved last year for 8,000.

[4:25:43] Voice 16: Through the chair,

[4:25:44] Voice 16: there is a current budget for this fiscal for $15,000.

[4:25:49] Voice 16: Oh, it's 15.

[4:25:50] Voice 16: Yes.

[4:25:51] Voice 16: Okay.

[4:25:53] Voice 16: So this is, this is the part in explaining, okay.

[4:25:57] Voice 16: We're trying to anticipate the work that could get done this year without

[4:26:03] Voice 16: without officially initiating the work.

[4:26:06] Voice 16: And that is because of capacity with the regional planning team

[4:26:10] Voice 16: and the cycle of where the projects are now.

[4:26:13] Voice 16: But we do, we're still anticipating that happening this fall, winter.

[4:26:18] Voice 16: So whether we qualify November as fall, you know, looking at that date,

[4:26:23] Voice 16: that timeframe, and what that work will look like.

[4:26:27] Voice 16: So what I've proposed in the future, the next fiscal case,

[4:26:33] Voice 16: is a continuation of the work in this fiscal and the ability to, and what will need to happen is

[4:26:40] Voice 16: the ability to update the work plan and to update the LTC with what the actual work that is

[4:26:51] Voice 16: progressing to date. So it was important to be clear and capture the work for this fiscal,

[4:27:00] Voice 16: fiscal, which we're anticipating to be, initiating that consultation and those conversations

[4:27:06] Voice 16: with Sunana, reviewing options and analysis and drafting.

[4:27:11] Voice 16: So we do anticipate that some of that work will need to continue into the next fiscal.

[4:27:16] Voice 16: And that's what's reflected in the business case and the project charter as well.

[4:27:21] Voice 16: right so if you go to the draft project charter on page 10 you'll see a like a milestone a work

[4:27:32] Voice 16: plan overview deliverables and milestones

[4:27:34] Voice 19: that's

[4:27:36] Voice 16: that's an anticipation of the next steps in a more

[4:27:40] Voice 16: in a in a milestone way

[4:27:43] Trustee Elliott: well yeah okay now i see so 2035 26 we've got capacity agreement

[4:27:48] Trustee Elliott: for sections of engagement, which continues, right, thank you, and 627 analysis, limited

[4:28:00] Trustee Elliott: engagement, so when, when could the community start to expect engagement, and knowing that this

[4:28:07] Trustee Elliott: starts when resources are available, but, like, sort of right at the beginning, or do we have,

[4:28:13] Trustee Elliott: You know, three months of work for analysis or scoping in or preparing engagement topics, I guess.

[4:28:26] Voice 16: So some of that work will need to be initiated as well before an update will come to the LTC and the community about starting engagements.

[4:28:37] Voice 16: So there will be some

[4:28:38] Trustee Elliott: advertising,

[4:28:40] Voice 16: some planned approach for what that engagement would look like. I think that's important. That comes back to the LTC to take a look at, which is a note in scope about updating that engagement strategy.

[4:28:54] Voice 16: So those are some of the pieces that the LTC will also need to look at to make sure that makes sense before staff go out and start doing some engagement.

[4:29:03] Voice 16: management so won't the community your question was how soon will planners reach out into the

[4:29:11] Voice 16: community I think it would still be some time I couldn't say when or how much but I think it would

[4:29:18] Voice 16: still be maybe a few weeks into when staff can get into the community and start having conversations

[4:29:26] Voice 16: okay

[4:29:27] Trustee Elliott: okay well I support this approach and I know you're always careful with resources and

[4:29:34] Trustee Elliott: budgeting and not promising too much so I'm thankful that but we have another budget request

[4:29:42] Trustee Elliott: so and

[4:29:43] Voice 16: through the chair the LTC has heard a lot from the community about the specific topics and

[4:29:49] Voice 16: the desire to want to have a conversation so I think it's important to not rush those pieces as

[4:29:55] Voice 16: well and and give time to have a conversation

[4:29:59] Voice 16: Thank you for the conversation.

[4:30:00] Voice 16: with Nations.

[4:30:04] Voice 23: So, any more

[4:30:05] Voice 23: discussions or any more teaming up emotions?

[4:30:09] Voice 23: I'm

[4:30:09] Voice 3: happy to proceed

[4:30:10] Voice 3: with that. Okay.

[4:30:12] Trustee Elliott: Happy to entertain you all.

[4:30:13] Voice 3: I move that the Lusketea Island Local Trust

[4:30:16] Voice 3: Company endorse the attached business case

[4:30:18] Voice 3: for the OCP review project

[4:30:20] Voice 3: of that staff work business case to the

[4:30:22] Voice 3: relevant committees and to Trust Council.

[4:30:25] Trustee Elliott: I move.

[4:30:27] Trustee Elliott: Seconded by Trustee Laroni.

[4:30:28] Trustee Elliott: Any discussion? All those

[4:30:32] Trustee Elliott: in favor? That is carried. And

[4:30:34] Voice 3: I move that Luskete Island Local Trust Committee approve the revised

[4:30:38] Voice 3: project charter for the Luskete Island OCP review project as amended.

[4:30:44] Trustee Elliott: Thank you. Seconder? Seconded

[4:30:47] Trustee Elliott: by Trustee Arroni. All those in favor? That is carried. Excellent. Thank you staff. Through the

[4:30:56] Voice 16: the chair if I may I believe um minute taker um staff Millard has a note that there's a

[4:31:05] Voice 16: requirement by general consent or motion that the meeting be extended beyond the scheduled end time

[4:31:10] Voice 16: okay shoot thank you um

[4:31:15] Trustee Elliott: I may have to leave soon so can I have a motion to continue the meeting

[4:31:23] Trustee Elliott: beyond the scheduled end time of 3 p.m., which we have an hour past.

[4:31:28] Voice 25: So moved.

[4:31:29] Voice 25: So moved.

[4:31:29] Trustee Elliott: Doing seconder.

[4:31:30] Trustee Elliott: Seconded by Trustee Laroni.

[4:31:31] Trustee Elliott: All those in favor?

[4:31:33] Trustee Elliott: That is carried.

[4:31:34] Trustee Elliott: Thank you, Staff Millard.

[4:31:38] Trustee Elliott: And so public notification.

[4:31:41] Trustee Elliott: No, repeal by law.

[4:31:45] Trustee Elliott: Well, I know how we all feel about this one.

[4:31:49] Trustee Elliott: So this is coming back because we didn't get to it last time.

[4:31:54] Trustee Elliott: So the meeting procedures bylaw, which has been passed by Trust Council, does supersede all local trust committee meeting procedure bylaws.

[4:32:06] Trustee Elliott: As noted by members of the public, there is discomfort at how the carefully thought through meeting procedures that Laskiti holds has been changed.

[4:32:21] Trustee Elliott: But there's limited options right now.

[4:32:26] Trustee Elliott: can't do anything about it we'll just have to see how this goes if there's strong objections

[4:32:30] Trustee Elliott: we can carry that back to trust council and if the local trust committee say this isn't working

[4:32:37] Trustee Elliott: then um well

[4:32:39] Voice 3: yeah i think any i mean because trust council has um brought this in there's

[4:32:46] Voice 3: little we can do except for go back to trust council say these parts aren't working and ask

[4:32:50] Voice 3: for an amendment so yeah

[4:32:51] Voice 12: so

[4:32:53] Voice 3: you both know i spoke and voted against it and every opportunity

[4:32:57] Voice 3: so on

[4:33:01] Trustee Elliott: page 69 i'd be happy to entertain that motion you probably don't want to make it

[4:33:07] Trustee Elliott: this is a repeal bylaw to repeal the luski local trust for the meeting

[4:33:11] Voice 25: procedures bylaw number 105

[4:33:14] Voice 25: it's adoption adoption of the repeal bylaw oh it's adopted yeah do

[4:33:19] Voice 12: you want to do that sure

[4:33:23] Voice 12: I

[4:33:27] Voice 23: move that the

[4:33:28] Trustee Elliott: Lusketi Island Local Trust Committee

[4:33:29] Trustee Elliott: bylaw 105, say it is Lusketi Island

[4:33:31] Trustee Elliott: Local Trust Committee meetings procedure repeal

[4:33:33] Trustee Elliott: bylaw number 105-2025

[4:33:36] Trustee Elliott: be adopted.

[4:33:37] Trustee Elliott: Do I have a seconder?

[4:33:40] Trustee Elliott: I will second.

[4:33:42] Trustee Elliott: Any discussion?

[4:33:44] Voice 13: I don't think any discussion.

[4:33:46] Trustee Elliott: We know. All those in favor?

[4:33:50] Trustee Elliott: One, two.

[4:33:52] Trustee Elliott: Any opposed?

[4:33:54] Trustee Elliott: Opposed.

[4:33:55] Trustee Elliott: the pose and that is carried thank you uh public notice so we heard from members of the public on

[4:34:03] Trustee Elliott: this one um we do get to choose the methods of notification as long as they meet the four

[4:34:11] Trustee Elliott: criteria reliable suitable accessible i thought there was four maybe there's just three reliable

[4:34:17] Trustee Elliott: suitable and accessible so what works for liskiti or what works for other islands may not work for

[4:34:23] Trustee Elliott: this kitty i recommend an online one and a maybe a physical um posting what what do you think would

[4:34:35] Trustee Elliott: work best so i

[4:34:37] Voice 3: did have a conversation with staff about this and there was one piece that i'm not

[4:34:40] Voice 3: entirely sure about but i know that the provincial um regulations stipulate that for uh print

[4:34:49] Voice 3: newspaper it has to be a publication that's printed every two weeks which we of course

[4:34:54] Voice 3: do not have one right that

[4:34:56] Voice 3: is printed that frequently so um any local newspaper is not

[4:35:02] Voice 3: going to qualify but

[4:35:03] Trustee Elliott: online but those

[4:35:06] Trustee Elliott: that's only for people who have one but

[4:35:08] Voice 3: my um discussion with

[4:35:11] Voice 3: staff was um to augment the public notification file with a standing resolution that would uh

[4:35:22] Voice 3: add that in addition to the methods in the public notification bylaw that posters in public places

[4:35:29] Voice 3: and notification and super local publications be used so it would basically say we know the

[4:35:37] Voice 3: province says only these methods check the box however we still know that for members of the

[4:35:44] Voice 3: public being able to see a poster at the post office or downtown or in our local paper is useful

[4:35:49] Voice 3: and so but you can choose

[4:35:52] Voice 14: more than one method so

[4:35:54] Voice 3: what it wasn't clear about when i finished

[4:35:56] Voice 3: my conversation staff and maybe um maybe the regional planning manager can inform me so have

[4:36:02] Voice 3: have it prepared in a standing resolution

[4:36:04] Voice 3: in case it didn't fit nicely.

[4:36:08] Voice 3: So the question to staff is,

[4:36:11] Voice 3: can we put this in the public notification bylaw

[4:36:15] Voice 3: or should it stay as a standing resolution?

[4:36:21] Voice 16: Through the chair,

[4:36:25] Voice 16: the discussion I think is still good

[4:36:27] Voice 16: to have it as a standing resolution

[4:36:29] Voice 16: for this particular point in time.

[4:36:32] Voice 16: Another consideration that the LTC might also capture is including posting on community websites or a newsletter.

[4:36:42] Voice 16: So that speaks also what Trustee Peterson is proposing, whether that be built into the bylaw or a standing resolution.

[4:36:52] Voice 16: A standing resolution would do the same thing, perhaps until we can confirm that, confirm Trustee Peterson's question.

[4:37:00] Voice 16: in well

[4:37:02] Trustee Elliott: what is the most popular newsletter is it liskiti.ca or the hotwire or

[4:37:12] Voice 3: the

[4:37:13] Trustee Elliott: mail list one

[4:37:13] Trustee Elliott: of the other so i would say the hotwire as opposed to the islands trust social media page because

[4:37:18] Trustee Elliott: that fits the social media folks and then physical we don't have a print newspaper but

[4:37:25] Trustee Elliott: physically posting we

[4:37:28] Voice 3: do it just doesn't meet the provincial twice a month but it's reliable

[4:37:32] Trustee Elliott: suitable and accessible you're giving two methods yeah it's

[4:37:37] Trustee Elliott: if you relied on one method it should be

[4:37:38] Voice 3: but what i was told went on when we're discussing the same issue on galliano is that because the

[4:37:44] Voice 3: galliano paper is only published once a month it does not count to check the box for the profits

[4:37:50] Voice 3: we have that to the check the box for the profits which is why i made signing resolution separate

[4:37:56] Voice 3: so that we can get advice, amend it later if we need to.

[4:38:04] Trustee Elliott: I don't think we need a standing resolution right now.

[4:38:07] Trustee Elliott: We're just, we're still considering this.

[4:38:11] Voice 3: Does it matter?

[4:38:14] Voice 3: I guess the question will,

[4:38:16] Voice 3: maybe the question is whether we need to do this today

[4:38:20] Voice 3: or can we defer this to our December meeting?

[4:38:24] Voice 16: Through the

[4:38:25] Voice 3: chair, that's another option

[4:38:26] Voice 16: is you you may defer this you may give staff direction and we take it back and put it into

[4:38:35] Voice 16: this bylaw and bring it back to you for readings because the recommendations here for you to give

[4:38:41] Voice 16: first second and third reading and then move it to executive committee so you could give staff

[4:38:46] Voice 16: direction and we can come back to you with some revisions for this bylaw if that's your desire

[4:38:51] Voice 16: to build it into the bylaw itself so

[4:38:55] Trustee Elliott: i'm hearing yeah rather than creating a new standing

[4:39:00] Trustee Elliott: resolution give staff direction that one online publication and then posting in public physical

[4:39:07] Trustee Elliott: public locations um and they should be listed so if there's like five of them right and you can

[4:39:15] Trustee Elliott: give the information back to staff and then they can work it into the bylaw proposed bylaw does

[4:39:20] Trustee Elliott: Does that work? Okay. Make a move.

[4:39:24] Voice 3: Okay. So I move that the Liskitiana Local Trust Committee request

[4:39:28] Voice 3: staff to

[4:39:31] Voice 3: report back on options

[4:39:35] Voice 3: for additional methods, public notifications

[4:39:39] Voice 3: for proposed public bylaw notification 106.

[4:39:43] Voice 3: To

[4:39:44] Voice 14: include community

[4:39:45] Voice 3: social media.

[4:39:50] Voice 3: Suitable local publications, suitable local print and electronic publications, and social media.

[4:40:03] Voice 3: And

[4:40:06] Trustee Elliott: we are assuming that the local trustees will provide some information.

[4:40:11] Voice 3: Absolutely.

[4:40:12] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[4:40:13] Trustee Elliott: So staff will report back.

[4:40:15] Trustee Elliott: I'm sorry, Lisa, was that clear as mud?

[4:40:20] Voice 19: um i'll read it back to you chair elliott uh that the liskety island local trust committee

[4:40:25] Voice 19: requests staff to report back on options for additional methods of public notification

[4:40:29] Voice 19: for proposed public bylaw notification bylaw 106 to include civil local print and electronic

[4:40:36] Voice 19: publications and social media oh it's awesome moved

[4:40:42] Trustee Elliott: seconded second by trustee laroney any

[4:40:46] Trustee Elliott: more discussion all those in favor that is carried excellent so we'll see this coming back

[4:40:53] Trustee Elliott: with some new wording we have two more sections unless i'm mistaken what is 14.3

[4:40:58] Trustee Elliott: and i

[4:40:59] Trustee Elliott: have to go i have to go i have to go 14.3 conservancy report i gave a lot there

[4:41:07] Trustee Elliott: applications report is there for information expense report work program hopefully we'll

[4:41:15] Trustee Elliott: start on the OCP review again. Through

[4:41:20] Voice 16: the chair, your active projects report will need to be

[4:41:23] Voice 16: updated, as well as your future projects report. Staff will look at those again, just to make sure

[4:41:29] Voice 16: those recent directions are reflected.

[4:41:31] Trustee Elliott: Thank you so much, Renee. Our upcoming meeting, the next

[4:41:35] Trustee Elliott: regular meeting is scheduled for Monday, December 8th, 2025, 11 a.m. here at the Judith Fisher

[4:41:39] Trustee Elliott: your center number one china cloud bay road whiskey island bc recognizing there was a ton

[4:41:45] Trustee Elliott: of people here today and there's not enough seating um we still can't change the venue

[4:41:49] Trustee Elliott: because we need internet so until that changes we're going to have to meet here i will motion

[4:41:55] Trustee Elliott: to adjourn favor that is carried adjourned thank you staff this is a very long meeting bye you