North Pender Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, November 21, 2025

[0:00:06] Voice 19: all righty

[0:00:07] Voice 19: good morning everybody good

[0:00:13] Voice 11: morning thank

[0:00:15] Voice 19: you for joining us today for this regular meeting

[0:00:17] Voice 19: of the north pender island local trust committee i want to begin the meeting uh by acknowledging

[0:00:23] Voice 19: that unfortunately together the locations across the territory people i'm david vod

[0:00:30] Voice 19: elected from the main island and chair of the north pender island local trust committee i'm

[0:00:34] Voice 19: joined today by local trust uh north pender island trustee darren campbell uh trustee morrison is

[0:00:40] Voice 19: unable to attend today so she sends her regrets so together we make up the north pender island

[0:00:47] Voice 19: local trust committee meeting is being live streamed and recorded for those who are unable

[0:00:50] Voice 19: to attend in person today recording will be the most trust website for future viewing

[0:00:55] Voice 19: we have some staff members joining us today we have a planner brad smith who's your island planner

[0:01:00] Voice 19: we have our planning manager robert kuchima uh we have planner belcher joining us from

[0:01:07] Voice 19: victoria office electronically and i believe uh warren digman our violent enforcement manager

[0:01:12] Voice 19: will be joining us later on uh for our in-camera session um and of course we have lisa miller

[0:01:19] Voice 19: who is our master at Zoom and recording secretary.

[0:01:24] Voice 19: We really thank her for all the magic

[0:01:26] Voice 19: that she performs in the background

[0:01:28] Voice 19: because without her special talents,

[0:01:31] Voice 19: I don't know where we would be.

[0:01:32] Voice 19: So thank you very much, Lisa,

[0:01:33] Voice 19: for helping us with the hard things.

[0:01:37] Voice 19: So just to let you know,

[0:01:38] Voice 19: it's been a special part for you all to trust me

[0:01:40] Voice 19: to make decisions about land use planning matters

[0:01:42] Voice 19: and discuss relevant business.

[0:01:44] Voice 19: I want to add a displaced employment.

[0:01:46] Voice 19: employment, our staff the right to a safe and respectful workplace. So before us we have an agenda. Any additions or anything? So my general

[0:01:58] Voice 19: for example will talk to the agendas before us. And we move right into trustee report. And I will nominate you.

[0:02:05] We'll

[0:02:05] Voice 10: start. It's been a while since we've all seen each other. There's a little bit of a blip with the strike and

[0:02:16] Voice 10: and canceling a meeting that we were able to have,

[0:02:19] Voice 10: weren't able to have.

[0:02:23] Voice 10: Really the majority of what has been going on

[0:02:27] Voice 10: personally with the trust is been local,

[0:02:31] Voice 10: very local motivated.

[0:02:35] Voice 10: Questions and feedback from people regarding

[0:02:37] Voice 10: obviously one of the applications

[0:02:39] Voice 10: why the majority of folks are probably here today

[0:02:43] Voice 10: has been a big back and forth,

[0:02:45] Voice 10: But also, it seems like there's been an influx of folks that have come to Pender with different ideas about what they should or shouldn't be allowed to do on the property and reaching out to sort of gain both an understanding and or ask for leniency, whatever it is, for different things that are going on.

[0:03:15] Voice 10: and I think it's something that sort of shines a light on that there's been a changing demographic

[0:03:22] Voice 10: of people on Fender Island. When I first came here and see like there was very much a consistency to

[0:03:31] Voice 10: how a lot of people viewed the island and

[0:03:33] Voice 10: now there seems to be a lot more of an outer

[0:03:35] Voice 10: influence of people that have come to the island to see what sort of life they can carve out for

[0:03:40] Voice 10: themselves on gulf island so that has been the majority of my time i was fortunate and unfortunate

[0:03:48] Voice 10: to have my cell phone below a sim card which i have never experienced before but you are very

[0:03:55] Voice 10: much cut off from the world like you have no sim card and there's stuff that i can do remotely that

[0:04:01] Voice 10: i couldn't even gain access to so i had a really nice two-week period leading up to getting a new

[0:04:07] Voice 10: sim card that was glorious but

[0:04:10] Voice 12: when

[0:04:11] Voice 10: i plugged in the sim card back in i have basically been on my

[0:04:15] Voice 10: phone for the last five days talking to folks back and forth so um yeah just you know interested

[0:04:21] Voice 10: today to hear that from everybody but sort of where they're at ideas wise and then to share

[0:04:26] Voice 10: about the information that gives that collect and see where we can go with things so

[0:04:31] Voice 19: what's up

[0:04:33] Voice 19: Thank you. I just want to express my personal appreciation for you coming back, specifically

[0:04:40] Voice 19: for this meeting. It's much appreciated, and I'm sure the community appreciates it. Thank you.

[0:04:47] From an executive perspective, yes, we had a few weeks of inactivity due to the BCG use, right?

[0:05:00] It put a lot of us on our

[0:05:02] Voice 19: ears as far as logistics go.

[0:05:05] Voice 19: We had to cancel quite a few meetings.

[0:05:07] Voice 19: We had to sort of sub into quite a bit of stuff as members of the executive.

[0:05:14] Voice 19: without the support staff. It was difficult. I was trying, but we survived. And we very

[0:05:20] Voice 19: much appreciate the staff being back. It was one of those unique labor relations situations

[0:05:27] Voice 19: where it wasn't about us and them. Our staff remembers the BCGU, which is the bridge of

[0:05:32] Voice 19: government. They, I'm assuming, didn't have a problem with us. We certainly didn't have

[0:05:38] Voice 19: a problem with them. But the union asked us to go out on strike and they did. And as I

[0:05:47] Voice 19: say, it was a few painful weeks for us. Sometimes absence makes the heart grow fonder and our

[0:05:52] Voice 19: heart grew very, very fond of our staff. And what we tried to do is make a sort of a soft

[0:05:59] Voice 19: landing for staff and we've continued not to have most of our November meetings were

[0:06:03] Voice 19: council because of that. And of course December 10th is a little bit quieter period for local

[0:06:09] Voice 19: trust committees but January is going to be very very busy and hopefully that is kind to all of us.

[0:06:17] Voice 19: A reminder trust policy statement is still out there for public comment.

[0:06:22] Voice 19: The online feedback forums are very very effective. People are not connected. Your

[0:06:30] Voice 19: your local library should have hard copies of the survey

[0:06:33] Voice 19: with accounts with the self-destructed stamp envelope.

[0:06:36] Voice 19: So it's accessible if anybody wants to get feedback on that.

[0:06:39] Voice 19: And of course we have trust council coming up in December.

[0:06:44] Voice 19: One of the highlights of that meeting

[0:06:46] Voice 19: is we're having a presentation by the senior bureaucrats

[0:06:49] Voice 19: in the province with regard to short-term vacation rentals.

[0:06:52] Voice 19: We've opted and opt out of the clause,

[0:06:56] Voice 19: which I'm sure many of you are familiar with.

[0:06:57] Voice 19: but this local trust committee

[0:06:59] Voice 19: had a little brief discussion last March about it.

[0:07:02] Voice 19: There's only, you can only opt in,

[0:07:03] Voice 19: I believe it's the end of March each year.

[0:07:05] Voice 19: So this local trust committee said, you know,

[0:07:08] Voice 19: we don't have enough information.

[0:07:10] Voice 19: So in advance of that, I put forward a request to EC,

[0:07:15] Voice 19: which would request the problem,

[0:07:17] Voice 19: that the entire trust council gets a briefing

[0:07:20] Voice 19: from the actual bureaucracy that developed this

[0:07:23] Voice 19: to explain the options, what's working, what's not working,

[0:07:27] Voice 19: So far, Gabriel and SaltPan have opted in to the provincial regulatory process.

[0:07:34] Voice 19: There are definite pluses, there are definite negatives.

[0:07:38] Voice 19: And this December presentation, I think, will allow all the trustees to have a good level playing field.

[0:07:44] Voice 19: And then early next year, we'll bring it forward to each local trust committee and they can decide individually with that empowered knowledge as to what's appropriate for each island.

[0:07:55] Voice 19: So that's probably the highlight of the trust.

[0:07:57] Voice 19: council. Other than that, we're busy. Well, budget's coming up. That's a good one. I don't

[0:08:08] Voice 19: know what's the increase, just over 10% at this point. This is early days. We're going

[0:08:18] Voice 19: to have some pretty serious discussions because there's quite a few staff positions proposed,

[0:08:24] Voice 19: posts. I just don't know if we're going to be able to find

[0:08:29] Voice 19: the funding to do what we need to do. So it's going to be

[0:08:34] Voice 19: super deep budget discussions, I think this year, as I say, the

[0:08:38] Voice 19: way we've not landed, the way we've taken off is with a

[0:08:43] Voice 19: fairly large increase, where we land is a whole different

[0:08:47] Voice 19: situation. We've already managed to have some early discussions.

[0:08:54] Voice 19: And at the Trust Council, we had a bunch of discussions, and of course, Steve will be

[0:08:57] Voice 19: going to our financial planning committee.

[0:09:00] Voice 19: So hopefully, when we meet back here in January, we'll have a little bit more update as to

[0:09:05] Voice 19: where the budget's landing.

[0:09:07] Voice 19: Hopefully, it will be at a point that will be more acceptable to people, and we can continue

[0:09:13] Voice 19: on doing the good work that we do.

[0:09:15] Voice 19: So we'll leave it at that.

[0:09:18] I know that our Electoral Director, Mr. Grant's not in attendance.

[0:09:26] Voice 19: I know he's been really really busy and I've been so busy I didn't actually confirm whether or not he was going to be attending here today. So hopefully we'll be seeing him in January.

[0:09:37] Voice 19: So now we get to town hall. As you all know, we try to keep it two to three minutes.

[0:09:45] Voice 19: but I'm not running a stopwatch

[0:09:47] Voice 19: as long as you're staying relevant

[0:09:49] Voice 19: and not repeating yourself

[0:09:50] Voice 19: or there's not a lot of white eyes

[0:09:52] Voice 19: we just encourage you to keep it brief

[0:09:54] Voice 19: so to raise your hand

[0:09:56] Voice 19: if you could identify yourself

[0:09:57] Voice 19: when you're acknowledged

[0:10:00] Voice 19: and we will go forward

[0:10:02] Voice 19: so gentlemen, the mask

[0:10:03] Voice 19: Thank you

[0:10:07] Voice 14: I'm assuming my voice is loud

[0:10:09] Voice 14: I don't have to be recorded

[0:10:11] Voice 14: Thanks, okay, so now we have left

[0:10:14] Voice 14: Farmer 3305 Port Washington Road, specializing in timing beads.

[0:10:20] Voice 14: Okay, so two quick points.

[0:10:22] Voice 14: I manage my livestock from the point of health and wellness.

[0:10:27] Voice 14: And I'm hoping, I believe the trustees manage the items from a point of health and wellness.

[0:10:35] Voice 14: Now, on the point of wellness, I noticed several people have commented in letters online

[0:10:40] Voice 14: like respect to a possible safety issue

[0:10:44] Voice 14: concerning increased large traffic,

[0:10:47] Voice 14: large truck traffic on the existing Port Washington road

[0:10:52] Voice 14: that highways supply to us

[0:10:56] Voice 14: and they're not gonna improve it, right?

[0:10:59] Voice 14: My concern is if the zoning application goes through

[0:11:08] Voice 14: heavy truck traffic increases

[0:11:11] Voice 14: and we end up with an accident causing bodily harm.

[0:11:15] Voice 14: Now that the trustees have been obliged to this potential

[0:11:22] Voice 14: possibly human body injury situation,

[0:11:25] Voice 14: my understanding is you may become personally liable for that injury.

[0:11:33] Voice 14: And I do not want to see anybody go in that direction.

[0:11:37] Voice 14: Okay, so that's the point of wellness.

[0:11:39] Voice 14: us on a point of health.

[0:11:42] Voice 14: There's been an environmental assessment,

[0:11:44] Voice 14: which has come through as nothing of concern.

[0:11:48] Voice 14: My research shows that air pollution, particularly

[0:11:53] Voice 14: diesel particulate exhaust, has a major effect

[0:11:57] Voice 14: on my type of livestock.

[0:12:01] Voice 14: If that particular matter gets into the flowers,

[0:12:04] Voice 14: the bees pick up the nectar, which becomes our honey,

[0:12:07] Voice 14: our food.

[0:12:09] Voice 14: With that degree of pollution, it screws up the microbiome in the gut of the honeybees.

[0:12:16] Voice 14: It degrades their health standard.

[0:12:19] Voice 14: They have a higher risk of dying, and they don't work as well.

[0:12:25] Voice 14: I like my bees to work really well, which reduces honey collection, reduces the quality of it, reduces the local food supply.

[0:12:36] Voice 14: And I believe we are trying to support that food safety issue with local quality foods.

[0:12:45] Voice 14: Okay, so that to me goes against what your report, I believe, says.

[0:12:50] Voice 14: So I know you can't make a decision until you have sufficient good information.

[0:12:56] Voice 14: Okay, so let me finish my research, and I will provide that report to Dr. Seas for your review.

[0:13:06] Voice 14: Thank you.

[0:13:08] Voice 14: thank you i

[0:13:09] Voice 6: have a question um are we going to speak to the brain application now or we can

[0:13:15] Voice 6: speak to it when it comes up on the agenda this

[0:13:18] Voice 19: would be the appropriate time okay then

[0:13:21] Voice 6: my name is joyce thayer i live adjacent to one of the ecological reserves that was identified

[0:13:28] Voice 6: as appropriate in the report i have reviewed all of the information including environmental study

[0:13:36] Voice 6: and I'm in support of the application.

[0:13:39] Voice 6: I do not think it will have any effect on myself or my land.

[0:13:44] Voice 6: So that's what I have to say.

[0:13:50] Voice 17: Thanks.

[0:13:51] Voice 17: I just want to speak to the new policy statement that you're making.

[0:13:57] Voice 17: And like just under goal three, you've got like 11 little sections

[0:14:02] Voice 17: and there's only one box at the end to answer if you agree or you disagree.

[0:14:07] Voice 17: agree and um in a survey of this nature i'd like to be able to agree or disagree with each

[0:14:17] Voice 17: individual item because some places i agree and some places i disagree so if i leave it blank it's

[0:14:25] Voice 17: it's a spoiled is spoiled um so i just think that there's um a huge mistake in the way this was laid

[0:14:33] Voice 17: out and i just wanted to bring it to your attention okay

[0:14:36] Voice 19: thank you if i recall correctly

[0:14:39] Voice 19: each section has a section for comments in the online survey

[0:14:44] Voice 16: actually oh in the paper version

[0:14:46] Voice 16: specifically for girl three no there isn't there's a

[0:14:50] Voice 16: page at the back but that's a lot of work it is

[0:14:53] Voice 19: but i would but i would suggest if you're if you are doing the survey if you put that comments

[0:14:58] Voice 19: in there say you have a problem with it and all that that that's a really good way of directing

[0:15:04] Voice 19: that feedback to the actual people who develop the survey as we we can certainly pass it on but

[0:15:09] Voice 19: i think your individual voices have more impact so i would suggest it is that when you're doing

[0:15:15] Voice 19: it fill out that frustrating commentary because it really helps feed the process so thank you

[0:15:21] Voice 19: out of the back for you yeah um

[0:15:26] Voice 4: hello um and we're here speaking once again on the rv

[0:15:32] Voice 4: situation and we're speaking on behalf of the rv alliance which has put together a very extensive

[0:15:39] Voice 4: report on living full-time in rvs and the report also outlines a number of areas that are

[0:15:48] Voice 4: recommendations that we would like to again discuss so we're going to do a little bit of it

[0:15:56] Voice 4: here and um the first question i have on behalf of the army alliance is i just wanted to take an

[0:16:03] Voice 4: example of how many people in this room live in the house a whole house 650 square feet or more

[0:16:12] Voice 4: Just a hands up is fine. Just a hands up. That's good. And how many people have lived in an RV for six months or more? Just a hands up. Okay.

[0:16:24] Voice 4: So I just was putting that out just because I wanted you to remember that privilege only matters when you use it to dismantle the systems that create it.

[0:16:42] Voice 4: So having said that, I'm just going to proceed with the little discussion I had here.

[0:16:47] Voice 4: As you are aware, the RV Alliance has consistently advocated for the Trust to amend zoning regulations to permit residents to live in their RVs on a full-time basis,

[0:16:59] Voice 4: provided that these vehicles are connected to appropriate services and that all required safety measures are implemented.

[0:17:08] Voice 4: Upon reviewing the Advisory Planning Commission's recommendation to the Islands Trust, the following

[0:17:19] Voice 4: conversation with Brad Smith was reviewed this week, and following a conversation, it

[0:17:24] Voice 4: is clear that the APC's recommendation to the Islands Trust regarding their needs as

[0:17:32] Voice 4: as a housing option is restricted.

[0:17:36] Voice 4: So the recommendation during construction.

[0:17:39] Voice 4: Furthermore, the ABC has recommended

[0:17:41] Voice 4: that the local trust committee reconsider

[0:17:43] Voice 4: the current moratorium on forcing bylaws

[0:17:46] Voice 4: related to RV dwellings and Zoom enforcement.

[0:17:50] Voice 4: According to the APC, RVs should not be permitted

[0:17:54] Voice 4: as primary residence or as accessory dwelling units

[0:17:59] Voice 4: until rigorous standards, inspection protocols, and enforcement mechanisms are in place.

[0:18:07] Voice 4: At no point have I received that for the agency's support of the use of RVs for full-time use,

[0:18:14] Voice 4: even when such units are connected to proper services.

[0:18:20] Voice 4: And that fitted with this.

[0:18:22] Voice 4: I'd like to point out again that the RV Alliance prepared the report that I mentioned.

[0:18:30] Voice 4: And that the research, which has been updated in October 25, 2025, that's to include some

[0:18:43] Voice 4: information about funding.

[0:18:44] Voice 4: This updated report was sent to the ITC staff, trustees and ATC, just for, again, for more

[0:18:51] Voice 4: information.

[0:18:51] Voice 4: The report is the result of a year-long study involving collaboration with over 40 professionals,

[0:19:00] Voice 4: some in this room, and local experts to form the basis for the Alliance's response to

[0:19:06] Voice 4: the concerns raised.

[0:19:08] Voice 4: So in alignment with the Trust's aim to explore legalizing the use of RVs in appropriate areas,

[0:19:15] Voice 4: considering the setbacks, parking access, septic, available water, and the visual aesthetics,

[0:19:20] Voice 4: as well as fire safety the alliance would like to present two options for further discussion

[0:19:27] Voice 4: and request the itc to perhaps work with us on helping to build these new options

[0:19:48] Voice 18: The option that we think would be appropriate is to ensure that every RV owner addresses

[0:20:00] Voice 18: all relevant safety requirements before approval is granted for full-time residency.

[0:20:07] Voice 18: Specifically, the permit process we're suggesting would require RV owners to demonstrate that

[0:20:12] their units are equipped with a CO2 smoke alarm fire extinguisher and approved cocaine connections.

[0:20:22] These safety features would need to be inspected and

[0:20:26] Voice 18: verified annually as a condition for the

[0:20:29] Voice 18: continual approval to reside in the RV. This approach would allow RVs to be used legally

[0:20:35] Voice 18: as primary residence or accessory dwelling units provided that all necessary established standards

[0:20:42] inspections and portion measures are in place.

[0:20:46] The framework is, we suggest,

[0:20:49] consistent with

[0:20:50] Voice 18: Maine Island's bylaws.

[0:20:53] Voice 18: We continue to advocate for permitting full-time RV living

[0:20:56] Voice 18: under closely regulated conditions,

[0:20:59] Voice 18: as outlined both in the waiver line we speak about

[0:21:03] Voice 18: and the permit.

[0:21:05] Voice 18: While we recognize and support many of the recommendations

[0:21:08] Voice 18: advanced by the ABC, we must ask,

[0:21:10] Voice 18: when will these proposed new houses and dwellings be available? It's a well-known fact that

[0:21:17] Voice 18: construction and development takes two or three years, and the urgency is now. The other

[0:21:37] Voice 18: issue that we want to bring up is what I'm suggesting is a waiver. We are requesting

[0:21:43] that we work

[0:21:44] Voice 18: with the RBA Alliance to determine if a standard waiver could be developed that

[0:21:52] Voice 18: everybody signed or they were permitted to live in their RV. This would mean that as long as the

[0:22:02] waivers properly drafted and with making sure the person understood it

[0:22:08] Voice 18: would mean that they would no

[0:22:12] Voice 18: longer be able to sue the trust or CRD if they subsequently thought they had a cause of action.

[0:22:23] Voice 18: waivers are standard things that are used for things like bungee jumping skiing this sort of

[0:22:29] Voice 18: thing you have to sign the waiver because government said they will allow these activities

[0:22:34] Voice 18: to go ahead it's it's a standard kind of thing and i'm suggesting that it would be possibly

[0:22:40] Voice 18: be appropriate in these circumstances um it would also uh force the rv property owner or the owner

[0:22:56] Voice 18: of the rv to address these things in order to to obtain it so we're suggesting that the this

[0:23:04] Voice 18: This is a way to deal with concerns expressed by the agency and the trustees and staff on this matter.

[0:23:17] I want to keep in mind that RGs operate, if allowed, they can be built and replaced

[0:23:25] Voice 18: much sooner because services have to be put in, there have to be pads.

[0:23:31] Voice 18: All that has to be done if you're going to have a small home.

[0:23:35] but then you don't need the foundations, et cetera, et cetera.

[0:23:38] So it's a lot

[0:23:41] Voice 18: easier, and they are all required to be to the RV standards,

[0:23:46] Voice 18: so there is a standard.

[0:23:48] Voice 18: So we're asking that the trustees request them to work with the RV Alliance

[0:23:54] Voice 18: in regard to these two proposals to deal with some of the concerns

[0:23:58] Voice 18: that are being expressed.

[0:23:59] Voice 18: Thank you.

[0:24:03] I guess I should say something as a member of the agency.

[0:24:06] and Libby and Rob have accurately outlined our recommendations, which were made primarily

[0:24:14] on the basis of safety. There is no recognized standards for safe permanent dwelling in RVs,

[0:24:22] so we recommend against that. But we also recommend that the LTC advocate for and work

[0:24:31] with other governments and governments to try to develop some safety regulations, some of which

[0:24:37] you've just outlined, but that requires a lot of work to be done at a number of levels to achieve

[0:24:45] it. I don't think the LTC can just say yes. So I think there's a lot of work to be done before

[0:24:51] Voice 7: before what is just going to be done.

[0:24:56] Voice 7: And I think we put the things of viewing moratorium in there

[0:25:02] because if it is unsafe to live in RVs,

[0:25:06] as the Texas principle is,

[0:25:08] having a moratorium on any enforcement

[0:25:11] Voice 7: is really just a way of encouraging more.

[0:25:15] Voice 7: So it's sort of paradoxical to make one recommendation.

[0:25:20] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:25:23] Voice 6: I also am a member of the APC and I just wondered when we're going to, whether we're going to be in the position to make our submissions when the report is heard or whether we should be doing it now.

[0:25:37] Voice 9: So I think as an individual, if you, it's to say just as an individual, can you remember the time would be now?

[0:25:45] Voice 9: As a member of the APC.

[0:25:46] Voice 9: If you, I'll give you, I'll pass it over to the ABC to present their information and recommendations

[0:25:53] Voice 9: when I present my report, speak to it a little bit

[0:25:57] Voice 7: then as the ABC members.

[0:25:59] Voice 7: So that's what I'm sorry to, that's what I'm celebrating.

[0:26:04] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:26:05] Voice 12: Yeah.

[0:26:07] Voice 12: Okay.

[0:26:10] Voice 8: We, we bought a property here.

[0:26:13] Voice 8: Our anniversary will be December 1st.

[0:26:16] Voice 8: Can you just give me a date?

[0:26:17] Voice 9: Oh, date.

[0:26:18] Voice 9: just punk i'm on the docket um and the reason i speaking today is because i read somebody else's

[0:26:27] Voice 9: on the docket the fellow i met before we bought the property an upstanding contractor in the in

[0:26:33] Voice 9: the community um i understand he was here working and his family's been here since day one and uh

[0:26:41] Voice 9: I just was reading some of the comments and some of the issues regarding the progression

[0:26:52] Voice 9: of this island and I just noticed the guy mentioned about the bees well I farmed 28

[0:26:59] Voice 9: years certified organic where our farm base was at peak 4600 acres which is two-thirds

[0:27:06] Voice 9: sides of Pender Island and our thing was we always left some some reserve land and we always

[0:27:15] Voice 9: maintained what we could but then when we decided to not farm any longer we let the next guy deal

[0:27:21] Voice 9: with it how they wanted to okay that's just the way it works you don't I can't impress my

[0:27:28] Voice 9: my will on the next guy and the next guy the next guy now listen to the guy with the bees

[0:27:35] Voice 8: understand your passion about your bees, but bees fly in a five mile radius. That would cover every

[0:27:45] Voice 8: inch of this island. Now, if that was the case, the

[0:27:49] Voice 9: trucks were an issue in front of his yard,

[0:27:54] Voice 9: you'd have to stop the terminal because there's so much traffic there and boats and whatever,

[0:27:58] Voice 9: you're like where do you where do you end with this so you can

[0:28:05] Voice 8: move beehives because i know on

[0:28:06] Voice 8: our property back in saskatchewan we've got bee farmers moving hives wherever the wherever the

[0:28:13] Voice 8: location suits the bees these are transportable because they do fly flatmouths so that argument

[0:28:22] Voice 8: meant to

[0:28:23] Voice 9: me is debt but anyway um i just wanted to say that braden was a big part of us buying

[0:28:32] Voice 9: the property because we took his advice and his information before we even put a dollar down

[0:28:37] Voice 9: and now we're into it this is our fifth year december 1st 2020 is when we possess it and we

[0:28:46] Voice 9: don't have a building permit so today hopefully we can get this our amendment through so that we can

[0:28:54] Voice 9: get moving with this

[0:28:56] Voice 7: i'm not getting any younger so thank you

[0:28:59] Voice 15: i also want to speak in support of

[0:29:03] Voice 15: the brain application to the point of this gentleman sort of touched on it that um from

[0:29:10] Voice 15: my perspective i'm not proximate to anybody growing anything other than apple trees but

[0:29:16] Voice 15: But there are huge trucks going down our road daily because somebody will build something and they'll finish and someone will build something.

[0:29:24] Voice 15: It's just constant. And to the gentleman's point at the ferry terminal, we all see the huge trucks that come from off island on.

[0:29:31] Voice 15: So trucks and spewing diesel or whatever they may be running on are everywhere.

[0:29:38] Voice 15: So the issue about traffic and pollution pertain to our island.

[0:29:44] Voice 15: We see it everywhere and I wouldn't reserve it simply to where the port wash is and I think we have to adjust and so I would want to see the brain application.

[0:30:00] Voice 5: one and I have a small farm and I have about three points I'd like to make. The first is that

[0:30:06] Voice 5: it would be really helpful to have an attachment to this that says what the criteria for decision

[0:30:11] Voice 5: making in land use decisions are. The trust statement is too abstract and too big so

[0:30:17] Voice 5: you know seven or eight key points so we can listen to every application you go tick not tick

[0:30:22] Voice 5: whatever it is. The second thing is I don't know if you're aware but it's very likely there is a

[0:30:28] Voice 5: better site becoming available for grain. A much better site that will address a lot of the

[0:30:32] Voice 5: problems. And the third is the Port Washington Road is a lower road and it's very inconsistent

[0:30:38] Voice 5: to have this industrialization. It's full of small farms, many which have loads like stands,

[0:30:44] Voice 5: and it is inhospitable to small-scale agriculture to have industrialization.

[0:30:50] Voice 5: And I guess the last point is this is not far against grain. It's not personal.

[0:30:54] Voice 5: personal. It's look at the decisions, the grounds for our

[0:30:58] Voice 5: decision. All of them, all of them. And we thank you.

[0:31:09] Voice 14: So I have to respond. So I agree with the children that to take

[0:31:16] Voice 14: a situation, an environment and impress it on another person is

[0:31:21] Voice 14: so inappropriate. I agree the research says that honeybees

[0:31:26] Voice 14: will fly as far as five miles to forage. That is correct. What's missing is, myself in the

[0:31:34] Voice 14: middle of the north end of the Fort Washington Valley, I have bounds on both ends of my ocean.

[0:31:40] Voice 14: Bees do not fly across a wider body. Five miles closer to me, my bees will never go to me.

[0:31:47] Voice 14: We have hills on both sides of the Fort Washington Valley. That's why it's a valley.

[0:31:52] Voice 14: in general my bees will not fly over the crest of those hills. It's too much work

[0:31:59] Voice 14: when they fill up with their nectar and pollen, which literally doubles their mass,

[0:32:04] Voice 14: their weight, to fly back over top of a rise. So we beekeepers constantly look for

[0:32:12] Voice 14: enclosed environments, valleys, where we can contain the breed of bees that we

[0:32:20] Voice 14: have and that's part of why I chose the Port Washington Valley. It is contained even there's

[0:32:25] Voice 14: enough forage my bees actually do not leave the Port Washington Valley.

[0:32:35] Voice 14: So in summary it is my opinion that between the safety issue of the traffic

[0:32:42] Voice 14: uh for me to have a road sign farmstead as I'm allowed under the current zoning

[0:32:48] Voice 14: becomes an issue. I'm just not going to do it with that level of liability. As to the quality

[0:32:55] Voice 14: of my product, the honey, regardless of the detail, it's going to get contaminated to some

[0:33:00] Voice 14: degree. Now, there is existing truck traffic. There is existing diesel exhaust. My suspect

[0:33:10] Voice 14: Raven's operation has proven that's going to more than double on a daily basis. And I think that's

[0:33:16] Voice 14: unacceptable to managing the quality of local food for the residents of the Pandora Islands.

[0:33:24] Voice 14: Thank you. All

[0:33:27] Voice 19: right so you just keep it brief but go ahead sir. Okay all

[0:33:33] Voice 8: the apiaries that I know

[0:33:35] Voice 8: and have come across always have a sunny south facing slope where they set up the bees because

[0:33:42] Voice 8: the bees leave the sun in the morning firstly so they're facing facing

[0:33:46] Voice 7: easter or facing itself

[0:33:49] Voice 9: um this gentleman's place i'm sure is not in

[0:33:54] Voice 7: direct position for that to get the bees moving

[0:33:58] Voice 7: in the morning so i i guess

[0:34:01] Voice 8: i would be if i was in the bee business i'd be looking for that

[0:34:05] Voice 8: and see if I can rent a space that I can

[0:34:11] Voice 7: really care about.

[0:34:13] Voice 3: Just to reiterate, you know, RAID does a great job, but if there is a better place,

[0:34:19] Voice 3: but I think there may be a better place coming up, then please everybody be patient and

[0:34:24] Voice 3: and exclusion

[0:34:25] Voice 7: for everybody who's been raped, basically.

[0:34:31] Voice 7: Michael Sketch,

[0:34:33] Voice 11: of Tender Armour.

[0:34:37] Voice 20: We've been the beneficiaries of a really superb APC session on housing.

[0:34:47] Voice 20: And in the middle of the Washington Road discussion

[0:34:52] Voice 20: discussion of whether the trucking units are appropriate or not, and I'll comment that

[0:35:00] Voice 20: it is an island decision as to where to put industrial zoning, and I've listened to the

[0:35:08] Voice 20: conversation about industrial zoning for years, and we've had some really controversial ones,

[0:35:14] Voice 20: one which began on ALR land and ended up industrial zoning.

[0:35:18] Voice 20: What we need is an intelligent, in-depth discussion by that APC, as they have been persuaded,

[0:35:25] Voice 20: to inform you on appropriate locations for industrial uses.

[0:35:31] Voice 20: Is there pros and cons to the level of industrial zoning, which is very small scale, could get

[0:35:39] Voice 20: much bigger.

[0:35:40] Voice 20: Is that appropriate?

[0:35:41] Voice 20: Well, let's have the APC discuss it and give the community a really informed opinion.

[0:35:46] Voice 20: And my second comment deals with the Trust Policy Statement, and I admire the expertise

[0:35:56] Voice 20: given by councillors on the writing of individual policies, or rather rewriting, to give a better

[0:36:04] Voice 20: result.

[0:36:05] Voice 20: But the structure of the Trust Policy Statement I would fault, because it boils down to a

[0:36:13] Voice 20: a local trust committee as to whether or not to take the trust area policies whereas in a

[0:36:21] Voice 20: federation the the trust policy statement should be the guiding light observed by all participants

[0:36:28] Voice 20: um and i think that's a really serious structural default and i've never heard it addressed in

[0:36:37] Voice 20: in various meetings on the trust policy statement in and of itself should provide the following

[0:36:49] Voice 20: of the trust object, not relying on policy 1.3.1, varied in the other trust policy stuff,

[0:36:57] Voice 20: which most people aren't really aware of.

[0:37:00] Voice 20: What I do see is the policy which allows the trustees to take decisions whether to take

[0:37:07] Voice 20: or not to take the trust policies.

[0:37:09] Voice 20: I think it's a

[0:37:11] Voice 20: has been a fatal flaw

[0:37:12] Voice 20: and allows an out

[0:37:14] Voice 20: to the policies of the trust policy.

[0:37:17] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:37:20] Voice 14: Really short.

[0:37:22] Voice 14: Okay.

[0:37:23] Voice 14: So I believe

[0:37:26] Voice 14: this discussion on things like

[0:37:28] Voice 14: trucking, renting, exposure

[0:37:30] Voice 14: it's totally outside

[0:37:32] Voice 14: the realm of this discussion.

[0:37:35] Voice 14: So that was inappropriate.

[0:37:36] Voice 14: appropriate. For the record, I have an amazing so east

[0:37:39] Voice 14: exposure.

[0:37:40] Voice 14: Five years of experience is proven. It's better than

[0:37:44] Voice 14: industry standards.

[0:37:49] Voice 10: It's better not be about these.

[0:37:57] Voice 9: Trust process. So I understand that I can speak as a community

[0:38:01] Voice 9: member, not as an APC member later this meeting. So in the recommendations, it speaks to nothing

[0:38:10] Voice 9: smaller than 250 square feet. I don't agree

[0:38:14] Voice 10: with that. I'm a building designer. You can

[0:38:16] Voice 10: design according to CRPD rules, regulations safely at less than 250.

[0:38:23] Voice 10: thank you

[0:38:25] Voice 4: anybody

[0:38:26] Voice 19: else wish to speak

[0:38:29] Voice 5: to remind people that it's very very very likely did i say very often enough

[0:38:36] Voice 5: very very likely that a better site will become available and we just leave it at that

[0:38:40] Voice 5: all right

[0:38:49] Voice 19: I'm Alan Wilmont. I'm a property owner since 1994. The situation where Braden's setup is right now,

[0:39:00] Voice 19: it's been essentially the same since we purchased our property in 1994.

[0:39:06] Voice 19: It's right across from the highways department, which I'm sure uses diesel trucks.

[0:39:13] Voice 19: It's right beside the lumber yard, which uses diesel trucks, and it's right beside where

[0:39:23] Voice 19: a bunch of vehicles are stored for other industrial uses, including septic transfer, and apparently

[0:39:30] Voice 19: that's all unpermitted but allowed to go on.

[0:39:35] Voice 19: I just know that when I needed something repaired on our farm on Hoosen Road or our house on

[0:39:44] Voice 19: a lot of times big trucks have to come there a lot of those times they're great trucks and

[0:39:50] Voice 19: sometimes they're not but they're big trucks those big trucks can go on any road they choose

[0:39:57] Voice 19: on north and south pendry because the highways department and the police have not deemed the

[0:40:06] roads too weak

[0:40:07] Voice 19: or too narrow for those trucks to transfer to be to use if you have a truck that's

[0:40:14] Voice 19: too big you will see a sign posted on a road no vehicles over so many tons gbd and uh that means

[0:40:24] Voice 19: that if you've got a big truck that weighs over that amount you can't use that road we don't have

[0:40:29] Voice 19: any of those roads so his trucks can go anywhere they want and if it is an issue it's an issue for

[0:40:36] Voice 19: the police and the highways department but not you people not the items trust not the conservancy to

[0:40:43] Voice 19: deal with they can lobby the government and god knows we need wider roads with a lot bigger space

[0:40:52] Voice 19: on the side to be able to walk on safely but i've seen guys in pickup trucks going so damn fast

[0:40:58] Voice 19: that uh it would make your head spin if you were at somebody's roadside place buying apples

[0:41:05] Voice 19: or whatever they'd still be in danger then of course there's some people who walk on the street

[0:41:10] Voice 19: Now, do they all obey the law? Have you ever seen anybody walking the wrong way on a road?

[0:41:16] Voice 19: Yes. Have you ever seen them walking two and three abreast with their dog outside? Yes.

[0:41:22] Voice 19: So it's not a case of black hats and white hats. The roads as an issue don't come up

[0:41:30] Voice 19: to the standards of today, the size of vehicles, the size of cars. But it's not Raven's responsibility

[0:41:38] Voice 19: or the diesel manufacturer to have to come up with some magical slimline low-volume vehicle

[0:41:48] Voice 19: to satisfy everybody. Maybe in 50 years it'll all be electric. Then we'll probably have

[0:41:55] Voice 19: a big hydro dam in the middle of Canada to make it a conservation service. But at the

[0:42:00] Voice 19: present time, the roads are the roads, and that is not an issue here. And the safety

[0:42:08] Voice 19: on the roads, some to the drivers and the police and the highways department.

[0:42:12] Voice 19: So I don't understand how that issue gets put into this issue.

[0:42:21] Voice 19: And again, that area has been industrial at least since 1994.

[0:42:27] Voice 19: And all those buildings that are there now were up there then,

[0:42:32] Voice 19: and it's used for that purpose.

[0:42:35] Voice 19: so now that he wants to make it formally so these are going to die kids are going to get run over

[0:42:44] Voice 19: dogs are going to get run over people are going to get scared crops aren't going to grow

[0:42:48] Voice 19: i don't think so because you know that's 30 years and

[0:42:53] Voice 7: it's off the stall everything's prospering

[0:42:58] Voice 7: i

[0:43:00] Voice 5: just have to bring some empirical evidence into the situation

[0:43:03] Voice 5: I moved here a year before this, Port Washington Road has been transformed, that area has been

[0:43:10] Voice 5: totally transformed.

[0:43:11] Voice 5: There was not this level of activity in 1994, or in 1995, so there has been enormous change.

[0:43:19] Voice 5: We're not a pro-anti-truck, we're thinking about what the trust mandate is and whether

[0:43:25] Voice 5: this application is consistent with that, that's what it should be about, it's not pro-anti-trucks

[0:43:31] Voice 5: with that and I don't think it is but uh which is why like if we had clear things eight facts we

[0:43:38] Voice 5: should look at not facts dimensions we should look at and is it is the transfer is the application

[0:43:43] Voice 5: consistent with these it would be easier to make a decision yes Brad I

[0:43:47] Voice 9: don't know if I'm sure there

[0:43:48] Voice 9: are OCP policies around industrial use that are the guidelines that guide and so in this case

[0:43:58] Voice 9: staff however you can speak to them so there are guidelines and in fact the guidelines specifically

[0:44:07] Voice 9: points to that area of north fender island this being a priority area for industrial use

[0:44:14] Voice 9: that's been embedded in the ocp system again having

[0:44:18] Voice 5: been part of that process this was never

[0:44:20] Voice 5: the intention my point

[0:44:21] Voice 9: is that it

[0:44:22] Voice 7: was probably this room my

[0:44:23] Voice 9: point is is that those are the

[0:44:25] Voice 9: policies that we use to reflect an application against and to determine if in staff's perspective

[0:44:35] Voice 9: it meets those

[0:44:36] Voice 7: guidelines that are laid out in your fishing community

[0:44:39] Voice 16: thank you thank you

[0:44:43] Voice 19: okay thank you very much very informative we appreciate all aspects it does form a decision

[0:44:50] Voice 19: All right, so we don't have any public hearing, so we have minutes before us on page four.

[0:44:59] Voice 19: We have local trust committee minutes dated October the 3rd for adoption, any concerns?

[0:45:05] Voice 19: So by general consent, we'll adopt those minutes.

[0:45:07] Voice 19: We have on 10.2 resolutions a meeting report is received, and that's 10.3 advisory planning

[0:45:18] commission to commission minutes in october

[0:45:20] Voice 19: 1st and october 8th who received um led to express

[0:45:25] Voice 19: our sincere appreciation for the outstanding work done by abc um i get to be all over and um

[0:45:34] Voice 19: this abc the the amount of work that you've performed um at the death consideration very

[0:45:40] Voice 19: very very well appreciated um other islands need to to look at what you guys do and mimic it

[0:45:48] Voice 19: because some don't do too much.

[0:45:50] Voice 19: Although I've got to admit,

[0:45:51] Voice 19: the only people arriving is probably Denman.

[0:45:54] Voice 19: They had a housing APC

[0:45:58] Voice 19: that I think met every week for four or five months

[0:46:02] Voice 19: and produced similar quality work

[0:46:05] Voice 19: and they were dedicated, dedicated.

[0:46:07] Voice 19: So I'm blessed with the amount of housing information

[0:46:10] that

[0:46:10] Voice 19: we get through the program process.

[0:46:12] Voice 19: Thank you very much.

[0:46:14] Voice 19: So we have on page 22,

[0:46:16] Voice 19: business arising for the minutes.

[0:46:17] Voice 19: call-up action list anything to be i might put things

[0:46:22] Voice 9: completely except we moved your raptor

[0:46:25] Voice 9: nasa project uh community information and uh public hearing to your

[0:46:33] Voice 7: proposed january

[0:46:35] Voice 7: that's good thank you anything

[0:46:38] Voice 19: with the questions you're happy

[0:46:39] Voice 19: wonderful sounds good um so we're moved to page 24 um applications referrals we have trust council

[0:46:48] Voice 19: of file 183 policy statement file on referral for response so any consideration of what's there

[0:47:05] Voice 10: no and i'm um i don't know if it is um because of other things that have been going on but

[0:47:16] Voice 10: honestly today your comment about the filling out the online um and mr sketch's uh comments

[0:47:25] Voice 10: structure is the first two pieces of feedback that I have received at all as

[0:47:32] Voice 10: far as the policy statement is concerned. I know when we went over it at the beginning of October

[0:47:40] Voice 10: we sort of had an expectation that there might be more feedback from residents

[0:47:50] Voice 10: residents, if it had missed, if there was the feeling that it was missing the mark because

[0:47:56] Voice 10: of how much feedback there had been at the other attempts of doing it.

[0:48:01] Voice 10: So I'm not sure if this is just not high on folks' radar as far as the other things that

[0:48:11] Voice 10: are going on with the island, but it's been relatively quiet.

[0:48:14] Voice 10: I don't know how you feel about other islands, what they're experiencing, but it has seemed

[0:48:20] Voice 10: like to be not as um contentious as uh it has been in the past well i i certainly

[0:48:28] Voice 10: it

[0:48:29] Voice 19: is interesting

[0:48:30] Voice 19: because around is different um certainly um the very silence that i'm formally attached to

[0:48:38] is not too much um but i know on gabriel there was substantial um um the other one was the

[0:48:45] a skeeting substantial community interest.

[0:48:48] Voice 19: The last iteration of the trust policy statement,

[0:48:53] Voice 19: I couldn't go anywhere for three months.

[0:48:56] Voice 19: It is because I'm on the ferry a lot,

[0:48:59] Voice 19: I'm out in the community a lot,

[0:49:00] Voice 19: and it was just every second that I was available,

[0:49:04] Voice 19: somebody was on about the policy statement.

[0:49:06] Voice 19: There were a lot of concerns about a lot of features

[0:49:08] Voice 19: about the policy statement on the previous iteration.

[0:49:11] Voice 19: This one, I have seriously,

[0:49:13] Voice 19: I haven't had one person come up to me

[0:49:17] Voice 19: And so that kind of makes the read, is I think we're getting closer to getting it right.

[0:49:22] Voice 19: We'll see that it's out of course for consultation and for public feedback, we'll see how those

[0:49:28] Voice 19: all compile.

[0:49:29] Voice 19: But the feedback is very similar to what you had, there hasn't been anybody directly, nobody's

[0:49:36] Voice 19: been tearing their hair off saying, this is horrible.

[0:49:38] Voice 19: There's been little sets of conversations and concerns, but not the widespread, this is a horrible document. So I'm hoping we're really close. I'm very optimistic.

[0:49:51] Voice 19: question that's our standard

[0:49:53] Voice 10: and just to give like if people left their jobs last term or as

[0:50:04] Voice 10: the term ended because of the trust policy statement feedback it was so hotly debated

[0:50:12] Voice 10: and such negative feedback that people actually decided to change careers because of the amount of

[0:50:20] Voice 10: negative that they got back so that's what we were sort of warned as incoming trustees that

[0:50:30] Voice 10: kind of buckle up because as this gets worked out again you are gonna this is gonna be the

[0:50:35] Voice 10: thing that makes you decide whether you wanna call the by-election or not and it has really

[0:50:42] Voice 10: been very very quiet so it's either coming or people feel like it is more in line with how

[0:50:49] Voice 10: Wow, that's good to hear.

[0:50:50] Voice 10: So,

[0:50:50] Voice 11: only that's good.

[0:50:52] Voice 10: Well, of

[0:50:52] Voice 10: course it's gone.

[0:50:54] Voice 10: I've got the three of us.

[0:50:56] Voice 19: It's about to get up and give it to me.

[0:50:59] Voice 19: So, basically, what we're talking about, possible resolutions.

[0:51:07] Voice 19: So, number one, if you lost it there.

[0:51:10] Yeah, no, I got it right.

[0:51:11] Yeah, so, that's about there.

[0:51:19] Voice 10: Oh, that's the one.

[0:51:20] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:51:21] Voice 11: Yeah.

[0:51:23] Voice 10: so we have the north bender island local trust committee response the other trust

[0:51:27] Voice 10: council the interests are unaffected by proposal island okay i will second that for the discussion

[0:51:36] Voice 19: are we both in favor of the thing so public question

[0:51:41] Voice 19: That carries. So, where are we at? Okay.

[0:51:49] Voice 19: Okay, now we're at 14.2, page 31. We have North

[0:51:56] Voice 19: Panther PLDP 2025-03 for Kerfoot. And I see that Planner Belcher has come up my screen,

[0:52:06] Voice 19: so I'm assuming that he's here to educate us. Planner Belcher, go ahead.

[0:52:10] Voice 19: Thank

[0:52:10] Voice 1: you. Yes, this is a new development permit application for the construction of a pool deck within the commercial and industrial form and character development permit area.

[0:52:22] Voice 1: area. Staff determined that the new pool deck application would require a development permit

[0:52:28] Voice 1: as any construction of, addition to, or alteration of a building or other structure

[0:52:34] Voice 1: within the DPA requires a development permit and the work is not exempt because a building permit

[0:52:40] Voice 1: is required. The 90 square meter pool deck would be located next to the existing pool as part of

[0:52:48] Voice 1: of the commercial tourist accommodation business,

[0:52:50] Voice 1: which is known as the Tides Cottages,

[0:52:54] Voice 1: located at 1329 McKinnon Road.

[0:52:57] Voice 1: The objective of the development permit area

[0:53:00] Voice 1: is to ensure that new commercial uses are developed

[0:53:04] Voice 1: in a manner consistent with the rural character

[0:53:07] Voice 1: and avoiding impacts on adjacent properties.

[0:53:11] Voice 1: The proposal is unobtrusive and maintains consistency

[0:53:16] Voice 1: with the existing landscaping and design of the property and no views would be impacted

[0:53:23] Voice 1: and the existing trees have been maintained to provide adequate screening.

[0:53:28] Voice 1: New construction is consistent with the development permit area landscaping

[0:53:32] Voice 1: guidelines and no landscaping plan was deemed necessary due to the scale of the development

[0:53:38] Voice 1: and the minimal changes to the topography and vegetation. Staff consider that the application

[0:53:45] Voice 1: is extensively compliant with all of the relevant development permit area

[0:53:49] Voice 1: guidelines, and staff recommend that the North Pender Local

[0:53:53] Voice 1: Trust Committee approve issuance of development permit

[0:53:57] Voice 1: PLDP-2025-0384.

[0:54:02] Voice 1: Thanks.

[0:54:03] Voice 19: Thank you, Planner Dr. Seabrook.

[0:54:05] Voice 19: Thank you.

[0:54:10] Voice 19: It's a

[0:54:12] Voice 10: strange

[0:54:14] Voice 10: change thing to have be an application to me at least and outside of this I'm curious if there

[0:54:22] Voice 10: isn't a way that we could streamline applications like this because it's really when it's for one

[0:54:31] Voice 10: character there is sort of a checklist of and and in a in an application like this we're I mean we

[0:54:40] Voice 10: kind of delayed a couple of months of possible work going on just literally just for a check mark

[0:54:51] Voice 10: because there's nothing really to consider so i'm not i have no issues with it i have nothing

[0:54:57] Voice 10: to say about it i think if anybody has looked at the agenda they would see as well that this

[0:55:02] Voice 10: is not they're not really even debating anything it's about repairing it and replacing a pool deck

[0:55:09] Voice 10: around an existing swimming pool on a piece of commercial property it just happens to have

[0:55:16] Voice 10: an attachment to it than any building like that has a form of character aspect to it and so

[0:55:23] Voice 10: there has to be a permit for it so it might bear so much of a discussion that just to let people

[0:55:30] Voice 10: know um so i have no problem moving forward um

[0:55:35] Voice 7: i don't know if you have anything to say but

[0:55:49] Voice 19: So I

[0:55:50] Voice 8: just want to speak on it quickly.

[0:55:52] Voice 8: What the purpose of this is for wellness travel, and it's to increase off-season business.

[0:55:57] Voice 8: It's going to entice people to come here and there's off-season, which will, in case, help the local businesses and all the things that we go with that.

[0:56:05] Voice 8: And we were delayed part of the strike.

[0:57:04] Voice 19: Okay, we have returned. So with that, do you want to just take a motion?

[0:57:10] Voice 19: At the North

[0:57:11] Voice 10: Penn Island Local Trust Committee, approve issuance of Development Permit PLDP

[0:57:15] Voice 10: 2025-0384.

[0:57:19] Voice 10: Okay, I'll second that.

[0:57:20] Voice 7: Any further discussion? All in favor?

[0:57:23] Voice 7: That carries.

[0:57:24] Voice 7: all right so

[0:57:26] Voice 8: is is

[0:57:28] Voice 10: there can we have that discussion save it for a different time

[0:57:33] Voice 10: just is there a better way for the local trust committee to address

[0:57:39] Voice 10: forming character stuff kind of like citing abuse permits i see

[0:57:43] Voice 10: mr kajima has his hands up

[0:57:50] Voice 19: thank

[0:57:51] Voice 13: you thank you chair can you hear me we

[0:57:53] Voice 19: can hear you thank you

[0:57:54] Voice 13: excellent thank you um yeah to

[0:57:56] Voice 13: address the question of um is there a way to streamline more routine development permits

[0:58:02] Voice 13: the answer is yes there's really two approaches the one that has been discussed by the i think

[0:58:09] Voice 13: it was this ltc early in the term was delegation of the issuance of development permits to staff

[0:58:15] Voice 13: And that has been done for the Galeana Local Trust Committee and the Salt Spring Local Trust Committee.

[0:58:20] Voice 13: So that can save some time, particularly around, you know, having to get a wait until there's an LTC meeting to get an application on the agenda.

[0:58:31] Voice 13: So that's one option. There's a standard bylaw that could be adopted fairly quickly by the Local Trust Committee.

[0:58:38] Voice 13: The other option is more involved, and that would be to, you know, at some point, probably next term, review your development permit area guidelines and exemptions with the objective of trying to change them in such a way that these types of applications that are minor, routine, minimal impact would be exempt from requiring a development permit.

[0:59:08] Voice 13: it but with that the you know there's a devil's in the details when you when you get into that

[0:59:14] Voice 19: so at some point it would be prudent for this ltc to request a staff report on this

[0:59:21] Voice 19: or is this something that staff would bring it forward what would be the road forward to

[0:59:25] Voice 19: considering that so

[0:59:26] Voice 13: for delegation um i believe there is a draft delegation bylaw it's an

[0:59:32] Voice 13: administrative bylaw prepared um i think with this ltc at the early in the term deferred that

[0:59:39] Voice 13: sort of indefinitely so uh it might

[0:59:44] Voice 9: have been the

[0:59:44] Voice 13: last ltc okay

[0:59:45] Voice 13: yeah um so resolution to bring that that forward it's an administrative bylaw

[0:59:55] Voice 13: you know presuming there's no um no uh significant

[1:00:00] Voice 13: review or changes wanted to it it could just be fought brought back as a routine

[1:00:06] Voice 13: administrative bylaw so um if you wanted us to staff to do that to the future meeting it would

[1:00:11] Voice 13: be by resolution point there

[1:00:14] Voice 9: too you could have delegation authority but you could still

[1:00:17] Voice 9: choose to receive applications uh not our staff could also recommend to like if there is quite a

[1:00:26] Voice 9: a complicated or contentious development permit, for example,

[1:00:30] Voice 9: that could still be brought to the elective commission for decision.

[1:00:33] Voice 9: So delegation wouldn't be everyone.

[1:00:36] Voice 9: There would still be some.

[1:00:37] Voice 13: Well, when we bring it back, we would explain how that would work.

[1:00:40] Voice 11: Yeah.

[1:00:41] Voice 11: There

[1:00:41] Voice 13: wouldn't be that option for the LTC to say,

[1:00:45] Voice 13: let's seize on an application and say, we want to deal with that one.

[1:00:49] Voice 13: No, they would have to.

[1:00:50] Voice 13: Yeah, that's not possible.

[1:00:52] Voice 13: And I

[1:00:53] Voice 1: think that was the

[1:00:54] Voice 13: concern of the last LTC was that they didn't want to delegate all DPs to staff.

[1:01:02] Voice 13: And there's no mechanism except by certain development permit areas to do that.

[1:01:10] Voice 11: So

[1:01:11] Voice 13: do you

[1:01:14] Voice 10: want to consider that or do you want to?

[1:01:15] Voice 19: Yeah,

[1:01:16] Voice 10: I mean, I think that it's something that we should revisit because when there is something that checks all of the boxes and there is no real required decision outside of, you know, the right size house sited on the right piece of property, no environmental EPAs that are affected.

[1:01:40] Voice 10: it doesn't seem like there needs to be a drawn out conversation on what it is and we're also

[1:01:48] Voice 10: looking at a bunch of discussion one of the things is these meetings become very costly when we have

[1:01:55] Voice 10: to get everybody together whereas if you can streamline the process it can streamline the

[1:02:01] Voice 10: amount of money most

[1:02:03] Voice 9: larger local governments have delegations because just the volume would

[1:02:07] Voice 9: be much greater i would say that most of the applications we receive are pretty minor in nature

[1:02:11] Voice 9: and that a lot of them could be just still through delegation and staff could decide to bring that

[1:02:17] Voice 9: could occur so what wording would you like for a motion the

[1:02:23] Voice 7: ltc direct staff

[1:02:24] Voice 19: sorry go ahead

[1:02:28] Voice 19: jm you can go ahead with your suggested motion i

[1:02:31] Voice 13: think brad was starting it so yeah that the

[1:02:33] Voice 13: the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee

[1:02:36] Voice 13: requests the staff bring a delegation,

[1:02:39] Voice 13: deep development permit delegation bylaw

[1:02:42] Voice 13: and staff report to a future meeting.

[1:02:46] Voice 19: You would like to move that motion?

[1:02:48] Voice 19: So I just confirmed with Lisa that you've got that motion.

[1:02:53] Voice 17: Yes, Chair Moot, I have that.

[1:02:55] Voice 19: All right, so moved, seconded, any discussion?

[1:03:00] Voice 19: All right, all in favor, you have a delegation.

[1:03:03] Voice 19: All right. So moving forward on page 51, we have MPPLDT 2025-0399 lands down. And it looks like Planner Smith is...

[1:03:22] Voice 9: Thank you, Chair. So this is an application that has been before the trust committee a couple times.

[1:03:30] Voice 9: a different permit application within DP81 with land ecosystems and

[1:03:38] Voice 9: this second amendment

[1:03:39] Voice 9: is just a minor alteration of the house footprint to address a no-build covenant that wasn't

[1:03:47] Voice 9: really considered previously by the

[1:03:50] Voice 9: applicant at the time of their original design and they've

[1:03:53] Voice 9: amended their build slightly to include a carport which doesn't actually change the

[1:03:59] Voice 9: overall footprint of the original building size it just shifts from a lot there is a

[1:04:05] Voice 9: letter in the package from the article like standpoint with the previous review is

[1:04:10] Voice 9: determining that there's no further impact or conditions to consider and so your job permit just

[1:04:18] Voice 9: includes that schedule map and a new development boundary in consideration of avoidance of that

[1:04:24] Voice 9: So with that, the applicant, Mr. Bunk is here, and I pass it back over to you, Chair.

[1:04:31] Voice 9: Thank you.

[1:04:32] Voice 9: Do you have any questions or comments?

[1:04:36] Voice 10: I guess the

[1:04:36] Voice 10: only thing for the applicant, or for Ethan, is it not possible to adjust

[1:04:44] Voice 10: it back?

[1:04:46] Voice 10: Back?

[1:04:46] Voice 10: Well, that's sort of,

[1:04:48] Voice 9: we

[1:04:49] Voice 7: move it back, we take out four trees.

[1:04:53] Voice 9: So what we did was we did a little bit shifted it so that we saved the trees.

[1:04:57] Voice 9: We just reduced the deck. The original deck was designed because my uh our family is

[1:05:05] Voice 9: consisted of a married son and

[1:05:09] Voice 8: a single son and their first plan was a house

[1:05:15] Voice 8: a volume of the secondary suite so you give the secondary suite the single sun

[1:05:22] Voice 8: access to the deck we asked for the

[1:05:24] Voice 9: ministry of transportation and infrastructure for permission

[1:05:30] Voice 8: to go over the

[1:05:31] Voice 9: covenant line okay so everything was good we went to islands trust got the dpa

[1:05:37] Voice 9: everything was done until we get to the building permit here in july

[1:05:41] Voice 8: since it's been almost five

[1:05:44] Voice 8: years the single son has found a mate in Vancouver. Could have found a mate here, maybe, but in Vancouver, and she's not willing to move out of here because her job is downtown Vancouver. She's got a good and secure job.

[1:06:00] Voice 8: of. So his life has changed. Couldn't better, I would hope. And we'll go from there. But

[1:06:07] Voice 8: anyway, so to keep the same footprint, we moved, we took off the secondary suite, moved

[1:06:15] Voice 8: it into a dwelling for the married couple, and added the carport on the same, basically,

[1:06:23] Voice 8: footprint. And the deck, we can now angle the deck to suit the covenant, because that

[1:06:32] Voice 8: deck is not it was only a five foot or a small imprint but

[1:06:36] Voice 10: that's why i was asking about like

[1:06:39] Voice 10: it's not really an an egregious sort of a task right so i was just like well

[1:06:45] Voice 8: i just basically

[1:06:46] Voice 8: moved the whole host i

[1:06:47] Voice 10: didn't know there's a whole relationship involved well

[1:06:51] Voice 8: like this story

[1:06:54] Voice 8: no i'm gonna call it the cursing

[1:07:02] Voice 10: yeah um that was really was my only real question was because it did say that this

[1:07:07] Voice 10: the adjustment was going to cause the loss of one that was heard

[1:07:12] Voice 10: i was like okay like hey maybe we

[1:07:14] Voice 10: can like i like to see i like that most surgeries it could

[1:07:18] Voice 10: be moved back that few feet then it would

[1:07:20] Voice 10: would kind of make sense but it would take those the other direction and causes more than

[1:07:24] Voice 10: Yeah, what it did was it reduced the backyard.

[1:07:28] Voice 7: So now we're walking, you know, six feet from the trees to walk into the back of the house, not 14 feet or whatever, 10 feet.

[1:07:37] Voice 19: Yeah.

[1:07:38] Voice 19: Okay.

[1:07:38] Voice 19: I'm just starting on the motion here.

[1:07:41] Voice 7: Backward page.

[1:07:45] Voice 19: What?

[1:07:46] Voice 19: Keep walking.

[1:07:47] Voice 19: No, no.

[1:08:04] Voice 10: I

[1:08:05] Voice 19: second that for the discussion call the motion on paper that carries all right

[1:08:11] Voice 19: you'll

[1:08:13] Voice 10: get your building purchased

[1:08:16] Voice 8: My hope is to have it by the 5th anniversary of only the 5th.

[1:08:21] Voice 19: Good to hear you.

[1:08:22] Voice 19: Okay, so now we move on to page 75, NPTEL RZ2024-0110, Biggin.

[1:08:34] Voice 19: Staff, report in tact. Over to you, Planner Smith.

[1:08:37] Voice 19: minute chair a

[1:08:39] Voice 12: lot

[1:08:43] Voice 9: of introduction needed for this application

[1:08:45] Voice 9: to see that's a pretty good understanding what's going on for this rezoning application

[1:08:54] Voice 9: three three three four four washington road for the region's big contract yard staff are

[1:09:02] Voice 9: are bringing back two professional reports from the applicants, one named Groundwater

[1:09:12] Voice 9: Test, a geological report as well as an environmental impact

[1:09:18] Voice 8: assessment report. Both

[1:09:20] Voice 8: of those reports

[1:09:21] Voice 9: as well as a stormwater management plan were directed to be provided by the applicant in

[1:09:28] Voice 9: terms of reference which is provided in the package. So staff are now returning seeking

[1:09:36] Voice 9: direction from the LTC including again seeking direction to prepare draft by-law. So the two

[1:09:45] Voice 9: reports are summarized briefly in your staff report. Hydrogeology report determines demonstrated

[1:09:53] Voice 9: proof of water of well over 4,000 liters per day, which would satisfy both the minimum

[1:09:59] Voice 9: standard of 2,000 liters per day for future residential use at the top, which is the subdivision

[1:10:05] Voice 9: standard in the by-law, and as well, staff applied a 2,000 liter a day use for industrial

[1:10:13] Voice 9: and the water use requirement meets that, I think recognizing that all that Braden is

[1:10:20] Voice 9: proposing in his uh law for water use industrially is to uh provide water to his workshop and

[1:10:28] Voice 9: associated uh facilities in washington et cetera uh so probably far far less than 2 000 liters a day

[1:10:35] Voice 9: to uh to meet that standard uh water quality all uh checked out good uh any questions on that

[1:10:44] Voice 9: And that report was reviewed by our senior freshwater specialist as well, William, and

[1:10:50] Voice 9: he reviewed the report, determined that the methodology meets Islands Trust and Provincial

[1:10:55] Voice 9: Standards and the plans for ecological

[1:10:58] Voice 11: assessment

[1:11:00] Voice 9: reports.

[1:11:02] Voice 9: A lot of work was done, just in the first box there on page 78 is what terms of reference

[1:11:10] Voice 9: requirements required to be provided. Professional report has subsequently been submitted by

[1:11:17] Voice 9: HACCP Repair and Environmental Consulting. The report findings are summarized there.

[1:11:24] Voice 9: Overall, there's not a lot of environmental impact identified by the proposed rezoning

[1:11:30] Voice 9: and future uses. The report was reviewed by our in-house RP Bio. Comments were provided

[1:11:43] Voice 9: and those comments have been incorporated to the report. Our RP Bio's comments are also

[1:11:49] Voice 9: included in your agenda package. The report does include a number of recommendations and

[1:11:56] Voice 9: and those recommendations could be considered as covenant conditions, as future section 219

[1:12:04] Voice 9: covenants. And you could also, if you have concerns or questions, you could certainly direct

[1:12:11] Voice 9: the applicant to provide more information if you can tell on any of the findings in the report.

[1:12:17] Voice 9: We do have here on screen Sarah Bonner, who is the RP Bio author of the report from Aquaparin,

[1:12:26] Voice 9: and we also have Patricia Woodrow on our profession so if you have any questions

[1:12:30] Voice 9: of technical nature from them you can go to that down here and the wastewater stormwater

[1:12:39] Voice 9: management plan which was the key or the third primary requirement of reporting

[1:12:47] Voice 9: in the terms of reference staff have reviewed a draft plan we continue to work with the

[1:12:55] Voice 9: applicant on some technical aspects and refining of that plan of course it's hard to uh you know

[1:13:02] Voice 9: i think there's still some moving parts with this application and the site planning potentially as

[1:13:07] Voice 9: well so that work continues but the preliminary finding of

[1:13:12] Voice 9: the uh professional engineers that

[1:13:16] Voice 9: that system is using. So with that, you've also received a bunch of community input on

[1:13:27] your application. And those are all being

[1:13:29] Voice 9: posted on the application web page, a number

[1:13:33] Voice 9: of letters of concern and a number of letters of support. In the letters of concern, many

[1:13:42] Voice 9: of them kind of uh identify five key concerns just briefly uh the first one being around the conflict

[1:13:50] Voice 9: with the ocean plan just back to the points i made earlier there are policies specific to

[1:14:00] Voice 9: industrial use in your official community plan staff view that those policies are consistent

[1:14:05] Voice 9: with this proposal particularly specifically identifying that area of land that's already

[1:14:13] Voice 9: designated for industrial use as a priority area there are there's a policy around minimizing

[1:14:22] Voice 9: deleterious impacts to the to neighboring properties so that needs to be considered

[1:14:27] Voice 9: carefully the applicant is trying to find mitigation strategies for some of those

[1:14:37] Voice 9: concerns. Environmental risks I think largely have been answered in the work done by the professional.

[1:14:44] Voice 9: There are some concerns and some questions around findings in that work and some of the methods but

[1:14:50] Voice 9: overall I think those concerns are not, there's no like major showstoppers or major concerns with

[1:14:58] Voice 9: how the approach has been taken. Groundwater and water

[1:15:01] Voice 9: supply, again groundwater has been addressed

[1:15:04] Voice 9: rest in your professional report. Proven water, stormwater management plan, of course, for

[1:15:11] Voice 9: the management of that water still needs to be resolved. Traffic safety, in my view, that

[1:15:17] Voice 9: is a real concern. It is, at times, a busy place there. And it's not just Braden. That,

[1:15:24] Voice 9: of course, has industrial activity in that corridor with the work yard and hardware store

[1:15:31] Voice 9: and other industrial uses there but i do know that the applicant is open to looking at you

[1:15:39] Voice 9: know some different layouts of his site plan and configurations to try to get some of those

[1:15:43] Voice 9: business activities off the road into his yard which would serve

[1:15:48] Voice 7: as this is better as well as

[1:15:51] Voice 7: the community better yeah so the other one i'll press it i mean

[1:16:00] Voice 9: each of these is

[1:16:01] Voice 9: site-specific reasons some sort of specific potential but really my view from a planning

[1:16:08] Voice 9: perspective we're all looking at the site-specific considerations that are required for each

[1:16:15] Voice 9: application so we do have

[1:16:17] Voice 9: the applicator breaking through and like i said this professor

[1:16:23] Voice 9: i'll pass back to you chair thank you um i think

[1:16:30] Voice 10: i think it's important to talk about

[1:16:35] Voice 10: a few different things and this is some of the comments were made during the town hall

[1:16:45] Voice 10: and i do know that there is an idea that there is another piece of property

[1:16:55] Voice 10: i've also had an opportunity to go and actually sit down with the family that owns

[1:16:59] Voice 10: that piece of property i know that there is the question asked of them about whether they would

[1:17:09] Voice 10: be willing and i don't i'm assuming that we're talking about the same people

[1:17:18] Voice 10: in the ownership of the property has changed over the last couple of years

[1:17:23] Voice 10: from when we first started talking about this to where we're at now there's things that have

[1:17:29] Voice 10: happened even in the last few months um that may also change whether that actually is an option

[1:17:39] Voice 10: And we're not really in a position to make a decision based on a piece of owned property that already actually functions pretty much to the maximum level of what that property is going to ever be.

[1:18:04] Voice 10: There is no expansion area to make a bigger yard there.

[1:18:11] Voice 10: There is no way of increasing the amount of uses that are there.

[1:18:18] Voice 10: We're really talking about giving legitimacy to a business that has already operated for close to nine years, I think, on that site.

[1:18:30] Voice 10: Six years.

[1:18:31] Voice 11: Yeah,

[1:18:33] Voice 10: probably close to 50, I would suggest.

[1:18:34] Voice 10: Yeah, it's been

[1:18:35] Voice 10: more than two TUPs because we've also had years of operating with them.

[1:18:41] Voice 10: 2011, the first two years.

[1:18:43] Voice 10: Yeah, so we're not, I think the issue is not that we're trying to zone something more than what is there.

[1:18:56] Voice 10: We're trying to figure out what works in the area that's there.

[1:19:01] Voice 10: I've had a few conversations maybe not many in like most recently but trying to understand what

[1:19:13] Voice 10: that piece of property potential is what we can do to minimize the effects on the community I don't

[1:19:24] Voice 10: believe that rezoning of that property is going to create an increase to address some of the

[1:19:32] Voice 10: various concerns about the bees we're not looking to to consider this as a larger commercial

[1:19:40] Voice 10: operation just looking to consider that it is an operating commercial enterprise on a piece of

[1:19:48] Voice 10: property that he can control his future with it and the use of that there it gives permanency

[1:19:55] Voice 10: to a business the potential for the other piece of property that comes up as a possibility

[1:20:04] Voice 10: would only be temporary because the desire of the family that owns that property is to sell it

[1:20:10] Voice 10: and the cost of that property is not conducive to somebody being able to buy and build a business on

[1:20:19] Voice 10: it land on our island is not affordable anymore and it you know the multiple millions of dollars

[1:20:29] Voice 10: that it would cost just to secure that piece of land with the possible building would i think

[1:20:38] Voice 10: would bankrupt most of our businesses on on this island to to go after something like that so while

[1:20:44] Voice 10: it is an option it also is only a temporary option and we can't really we can't really

[1:20:50] Voice 10: consider that as a long-term solution for a business based on um the temporary nature of what

[1:20:59] Voice 10: it is so i think not that we have wasted time because i know lisa and i have sat down and

[1:21:10] Voice 10: and talked and brainstormed some some things and and and tried to think of how there was the

[1:21:16] Voice 10: possibility of there being a better a better spot and i don't know that there actually is

[1:21:24] Voice 10: a better spot um the 20 year old ocp discusses you know using that area and there have been

[1:21:36] Voice 10: been certain activities going on on that property for long enough that that land is quite possibly

[1:21:45] Voice 10: not great for much else other than what it is currently being used for. I know that you can

[1:21:53] Voice 10: regenerate just about anything, but it kind of does work for what it is. It doesn't work to be

[1:22:04] Voice 10: bigger and i don't know how we draft that i've had some conversations with brad about

[1:22:11] Voice 10: what possibilities there are to kind of can control what goes on there i know that there

[1:22:19] Voice 10: has been discussion even with braden in that re having the zoning to actually create permanency

[1:22:28] Voice 10: can is important to be to invest in having a better operation that's there and hopefully

[1:22:34] Voice 10: the hope would be that that investment allows it to be less impactful to the community the

[1:22:41] Voice 10: traffic out in front i mean i go to the harbor store anytime i pull the trigger on a house

[1:22:47] Voice 10: project it's a four four visit

[1:22:49] Voice 10: house thing up to the harbor store and i go first thing in the

[1:22:53] Voice 10: morning in the middle of the day and right at 3 58 as they're closing the door to try and get

[1:23:00] Voice 10: something and so you see the you see the traffic everybody knows it's the you would have to be

[1:23:06] Voice 10: completely blind to not see what is going on up there and how busy it could be but we need to

[1:23:12] Voice 10: figure out how to make that work in the community lower the impact that people are feeling like it

[1:23:18] Voice 10: has on the community but also give permanency to someone who has built a business that also

[1:23:24] Voice 10: supports the community so that is kind of I feel like where we're at in

[1:23:33] Voice 10: recommending to bring bylaws forward for a piece of property like this to start

[1:23:38] Voice 10: to continue the discussion about how we move something forward in a way that it

[1:23:45] Voice 10: works and it won't be done in a in a day it won't even be done by next meeting

[1:23:55] I would hope fingers crossed something that we can finish

[1:23:58] Voice 10: before our term is out but I think

[1:24:02] we need to have

[1:24:03] Voice 10: more of a conversation as it goes forward about how we look at the environmental

[1:24:12] Voice 10: protection of the area that is there how we continue a business being able to operate

[1:24:19] Voice 10: and what the kind of harmony of that can be in the community so that is a quick

[1:24:30] Voice 3: comment it's not

[1:24:32] Voice 19: really we don't unfortunately this is now our part so comment time was was how

[1:24:38] Voice 3: can you make a comment

[1:24:39] Voice 3: at the

[1:24:41] Voice 19: end of the meeting there's also a town hall at the end of the meeting so

[1:24:47] Voice 19: so um i don't know about you

[1:24:51] Voice 19: Well, if the motion comes forward, this is only a request for the draft of violence.

[1:24:59] Voice 19: So this is this is either a hard stop time, or not, there hasn't been anything to me personally

[1:25:07] that pushes me towards a hard stop.

[1:25:10] Voice 19: So I don't have any thoughts about proceeding with

[1:25:14] Voice 9: the current violence with Planner Smith.

[1:25:15] Voice 9: just through the chair would be good to understand if you are happy with the two reports that you

[1:25:20] Voice 9: received and if you have any questions on those reports if you're satisfied to more or less

[1:25:26] Voice 9: uh accept them as final reports i think from a staff perspective uh they could be considered

[1:25:31] Voice 9: final and that's not just my perspective but also the two professional experts that we have on staff

[1:25:39] Voice 9: i don't need a resolution but just do you see any other do you see any questions for

[1:25:44] Voice 9: sarah who's waiting online here uh it sounds like you know that's good to know for me and i think

[1:25:51] Voice 9: we'll just consider that i worked at it and continue to work on this okay because i think

[1:25:55] Voice 19: it's there's a there's a lot of like these are just rubber stamp reports they're pretty deep

[1:26:00] Voice 19: yeah and i tell you it took me two very trips through

[1:26:08] Voice 19: all my questions were pretty much answered there so i i would like to thank you all because

[1:26:18] Voice 19: a lot of work and obviously it costs great and a lot of money um and i would say you didn't get

[1:26:25] Voice 19: jumped you know you to me you've got some pretty high caliber reports because normally a guy like

[1:26:31] Voice 19: me can go through and go what about this what about that you missed this you missed that

[1:26:36] Voice 19: everything everything was ticked to my boss i didn't i just i came out of reading those

[1:26:41] Voice 19: reports with no questions which is pretty rare so i

[1:26:45] Voice 10: said i guess i do have um with regards to

[1:26:51] Voice 10: the upper area of that property and the connection onto um covenanted land and that land

[1:27:01] Voice 10: land um i guess one of the questions that has cut what was is would that be a possibility um to

[1:27:14] Voice 10: reserve some of the top piece of that property um without affecting the future

[1:27:22] Voice 10: of being able to build a house site what sighting wise um and the industrial use down in the valley

[1:27:30] Voice 10: Valley. Is there any willingness to connect the top portion with the other covenanted

[1:27:38] Voice 10: pieces that are up in there? I don't know what that would look like. It's just a conversation

[1:27:43] Voice 10: that I was talking with staff about to try to understand what has been protected in that

[1:27:52] Voice 10: area already and limit the effect that the things that are the operations that are happening

[1:28:01] Voice 10: down the valley have on the upper part of the bridges there so i know long ago we had talked

[1:28:09] about about possibilities or something like that

[1:28:12] Voice 10: and i don't know if you looked into

[1:28:14] Voice 10: what the ramifications for yourself would be of that

[1:28:22] Voice 2: okay um yeah i mean we've that's the conversation that i guess

[1:28:26] Voice 2: you know we'd be definitely willing to have and continue as this process goes along um

[1:28:32] Voice 2: My grandfather's property owner as well on that property.

[1:28:35] Voice 2: So that's a conversation that we would have to have together.

[1:28:38] Voice 2: And it's, you know, I think it's an option to have.

[1:28:41] Voice 2: We also see some comments from some of the community about having a trail,

[1:28:44] Voice 2: you know, maybe a trail.

[1:28:47] Voice 2: So that might be something, you know, we would look at, you know,

[1:28:49] Voice 2: maybe liabilities concern, I guess, you know,

[1:28:53] Voice 2: of having a trail up that way.

[1:28:56] Voice 2: My plan is to live there is what I want to do.

[1:28:59] Voice 2: That's I want to live on Port Washington.

[1:29:01] Voice 2: You know, they live down the road.

[1:29:02] Voice 2: my mom lives down the the rest of the road like port washington's home kind of grew up between

[1:29:07] Voice 2: port washington plant-based farm so like that's where i'm from so ideally i would move my family

[1:29:13] Voice 2: there you know i do want to build somewhere up on the upper portion for sure um you know but that's

[1:29:18] Voice 2: you know not a you know that's not now that's five years ten years down the road um that i

[1:29:24] Voice 2: and see that happening. I think we're definitely open to that conversation.

[1:29:37] Voice 2: Did you want me to speak to anything else or did you guys have any questions for me or I guess is

[1:29:43] Voice 2: the I did want to kind of chip through a couple of the things that have been brought up just around

[1:29:48] Voice 2: you know traffic and mud and those kind of things and noise you know like these are things that

[1:29:55] Voice 2: you know if I'm working on a truck my guys are working out in the Kwanzaa

[1:30:00] Voice 2: that has no doors or windows you know they're out in the elements you know so again moving this

[1:30:05] Voice 2: forward i would have a shop you know someone who they can work on equipment that's out of the

[1:30:10] Voice 2: weather it's not you know creating noise you know the mud on the road and stuff you know we try to

[1:30:15] Voice 2: do a good job of you know sweeping the road as necessary um you know but something like if i had

[1:30:22] Voice 2: more clear direction that i could put in you know a you know waterless wheel wash or something to

[1:30:27] Voice 2: mitigate that put a proper surfacing on the on my area so those are the kind of things that i would

[1:30:32] Voice 2: look to do as a part of finalizing this um yeah you know the trucking i i'm not quite sure there

[1:30:43] Voice 2: has been some question about volume of trucks and i'm really not sure where that comes from i

[1:30:50] Voice 2: there's no plans for any expansion and there's you know we're not going to add more trucks i

[1:30:55] Voice 2: I think the site is at its full potential right um so there's no plan to increase anything I've

[1:31:04] Voice 2: really in this process that we've been on for you know well since 2011 but really in the last year

[1:31:12] Voice 2: you know it's given me time to also like not rush through this and understand you know where a lot

[1:31:18] Voice 2: of those community concerns are and you know the trust staff and trustees have provided I think

[1:31:24] Voice 2: good directions to clear a lot of those areas that could potentially be questionable you know

[1:31:30] Voice 2: around the ecological report well water storm water management so that's not something that

[1:31:35] Voice 2: i really can speak to because that's why we hired these professionals and like i said we really i

[1:31:41] Voice 2: want to emphasize that we tried to spend a lot of time and like be thorough so it was you know

[1:31:47] Voice 2: clear i didn't want you know any questions and you know my opinion those reports answered a

[1:31:52] Voice 2: pretty good picture for that but yeah that's my great

[1:31:56] Voice 9: sure do you want to speak a little bit

[1:31:58] Voice 9: just traffic and that like we've discussed some ideas for maybe him to adjust his site plan or

[1:32:06] Voice 9: his layout at his lot there to have a better flow of his truck traffic to maybe get that tandem off

[1:32:13] Voice 9: the road while it's waiting to do its work and he's going to do so yeah

[1:32:19] Voice 2: that's again a discussion

[1:32:20] Voice 2: the traffic seems to be the big thing. Yeah, I'll be the first to admit it, that area seems to be

[1:32:25] Voice 2: congested. I can't argue that. It's quite blatantly obvious. I have one access into where I store my

[1:32:32] Voice 2: growling material. I'm sure most people know where I am there. It's limited access. So I've talked

[1:32:39] Voice 2: kind of brainstorming ideas. Maybe we create a circular driveway so the trucks don't,

[1:32:44] Voice 2: there's no point in them backing off the road or whatever. They can just kind of loop around,

[1:32:48] Voice 2: dump and then be parked briefly chatted about maybe adjusting the easement the property is

[1:32:55] Voice 2: ours anyways that allows the easements to the top portion maybe looking at a slight

[1:33:01] Voice 2: lot line adjustment to allow my yard just to be one entity and not have an easement that goes

[1:33:09] Voice 2: through the first third of it or whatever would greatly benefit me and i don't you know honestly

[1:33:16] Voice 2: that just kind of came to my mind last night as i was trying to you know brainstorm some extra ideas

[1:33:20] Voice 2: so that's something that we'd definitely be willing to look at you know i do try to stagger

[1:33:24] Voice 2: my trucks you know like i'll send some gravel trucks in the morning like on the early ferry

[1:33:29] Voice 2: and then they return on the 10 10 not the direct ferry you know and then i'll send the next truck

[1:33:34] Voice 2: we'll go in at the 9 30 in the noon and come back on the two you guys all understand the ferry just

[1:33:38] Voice 2: so you know those bigger truck and pops that are coming to the island or are staggered some

[1:33:44] Voice 2: instances i can't some instances i'm hauling you know unfortunately like all the development

[1:33:50] Voice 2: the top of victoria sand and pea gravel and stuff is actually being involved as far as not

[1:33:55] Voice 2: like denial so i have to send those trucks in the morning on the ferry and they come back at three

[1:34:01] Voice 2: you know that sand and pea gravel that we're using is you know i'd say 90 of it's for new

[1:34:05] Voice 2: septic fields for people and that's the you know the material that meets the specification and

[1:34:09] Voice 2: that's where it has to come from so you know i try to try to balance that uh the day-to-day stuff

[1:34:16] Voice 2: you know again efficiency-wise if i were to have a job and i needed to bring you know i needed 100

[1:34:22] Voice 2: loads to do this driveway well the con of that is the ferry would be plugged and you know everybody

[1:34:29] Voice 2: would be freaked out about not being able to get on the ferry so having the yard bring the material

[1:34:33] Voice 2: to to transfer to move as needed you know to me is a benefit i think to the community is a benefit

[1:34:39] Voice 2: so yeah

[1:34:43] Voice 9: just through the chair i think the recommendation of staff today is to just draft

[1:34:49] Voice 9: a bylaw and that will give you tools something in front of the community and elected officials to

[1:34:55] Voice 9: continue to discuss i like having granted trustee campbell and all of this work that

[1:35:02] Voice 9: uh the applicant is doing around stormwater management planning and maybe some reconfiguration

[1:35:08] Voice 9: or rethinking around the site planning

[1:35:10] Voice 9: to continue with the support of staff

[1:35:14] Voice 9: with the plan to bring a draft bylaw to you

[1:35:18] Voice 9: at your next meeting, January 30th,

[1:35:20] Voice 9: for further consideration

[1:35:22] Voice 9: and maybe some more of this information.

[1:35:28] Voice 10: Okay.

[1:35:30] Voice 10: At the North Turner Island Local Trust Committee

[1:35:33] Voice 10: direct staff to prepare a draft bylaw

[1:35:35] Voice 10: for rezoning application PLRZ 2024-0110.

[1:35:41] Voice 10: I'll second that any

[1:35:43] Voice 19: further discussion so call the question all in favor and that carries

[1:35:48] Voice 19: thank you all right um so we move on uh to page number one uh housing affordability um

[1:35:58] Voice 19: access project staff reporting forward to you so

[1:36:13] Voice 9: bringing back a bunch of recommendations

[1:36:16] Voice 9: recommendations here so you have some work to do decide to go forward so uh bringing back your

[1:36:22] Voice 9: housing report uh with the number of recommendations around uh grappling and vending violence

[1:36:28] Voice 9: what do you think let's find out

[1:36:30] Voice 9: take

[1:36:31] Voice 7: a five minute break

[1:36:41] Voice 11: discuss that

[1:44:24] Voice 11: all right

[1:44:53] Voice 19: All right, so we are returning.

[1:45:05] Voice 19: All right,

[1:45:07] Voice 19: thank

[1:45:08] Voice 9: you chair. So just getting back to our housing access and affordability

[1:45:13] Voice 9: project, bringing forward criminal recommendations for drafting a by-law. So a number of recommendations

[1:45:22] Voice 9: recommendations before you, a number of specific recommendations based on recommendations

[1:45:26] Voice 9: from staff and the Cardboard Union Advisory and Planning Commission, also seeking direction

[1:45:32] Voice 9: to reschedule your special meeting, your CIM that was supposed to be held on October 25th

[1:45:41] Voice 9: and had to be postponed due to the ECE strike. Mr. Ken Rample is here and he is here to seek

[1:45:50] Voice 9: appointment to the advisory planning collection and your APC term is ending so directing staff to

[1:46:00] Voice 9: advertise for a new term as I think it's worthwhile as there's another referral there

[1:46:05] Voice 9: to your APC to continue on what they're doing to support staff in the draft bylaws.

[1:46:12] Voice 9: So in your staff report you have a summary of proposed bylaw amendments from staff

[1:46:21] Voice 9: recommendations. Your action plan has 22 actions and so the ones listed there are the ones

[1:46:28] Voice 9: that are specific to or have a component of mending a fire cloud. A few of the actions

[1:46:35] Voice 9: we have staff are recommending that you just mark as complete and move on, including any

[1:46:43] Voice 9: Any work around legalizing the use of RVs, we've obviously heard in the town hall, some information to talk about in consideration of that.

[1:46:54] Voice 9: I would say that in general, so just to summarize the recommendations, to permit accessory worker housing and appropriate community service in commercial zones,

[1:47:07] Voice 9: to consider rezoning

[1:47:08] Voice 9: for seniors in portable housing and well-appropriate

[1:47:11] Voice 9: manuscripts, to do much of the work around OCP and housing agreements,

[1:47:17] Voice 9: have considerations there.

[1:47:21] Voice 9: In response to the letter that you've received from Driftwood,

[1:47:26] Voice 9: a consideration of permitting staff for suggesting rental housing,

[1:47:31] Voice 9: so just market-based rental housing in those units.

[1:47:34] Voice 9: LTC could consider being more restrictive, like accessory worker housing instead, but

[1:47:42] Voice 9: also LTC could consider to enable a flexible zoning scheme, somewhat similar to what's

[1:47:50] Voice 9: being considered on the project on main island, to permit ADUs as an alternative to secondary

[1:47:58] Voice 9: there are suites in the RR1 zone. This is one recommendation that we're bringing forward

[1:48:02] Voice 9: staff but it contradicts the recommendations of ABC. We would have some discussions with

[1:48:12] Voice 9: the church on further discussion and so seeking to resolve that personal firm potential for

[1:48:17] Voice 9: two years to support housing and looking at policies around enabling a small footprint

[1:48:30] Voice 9: and then just making the other clean up amendments to ensure those changes are consistent uh on page

[1:48:42] Voice 8: 200

[1:48:43] Voice 9: uh number 18 uh there is uh i think staff in terms of your guidelines around temporary use

[1:48:50] Voice 9: permits which is another action to review those guidelines in your action plan uh obviously

[1:48:55] Voice 9: there's a lot of work to be done to make sure that those changes are consistent and that we

[1:48:55] Voice 9: there's strong arguments for and against uh having the ability to have a short-term vacation rental

[1:49:03] Voice 9: through a temporary use permit is the mechanism you're using uh but there are options there

[1:49:09] Voice 9: rather than staff making recommendation i think we would really like some direction from the ltc

[1:49:14] Voice 9: with the options there of just keeping as it is and

[1:49:18] Voice 9: that would just allow discretion the

[1:49:20] Voice 9: discretion you currently have or you could also pass the stand keep it as it is and pass the

[1:49:25] Voice 9: standing resolution saying that you're not going to consider anymore for now and future trustees would, of course, have discretion to change or amend that standing resolution.

[1:49:34] Voice 9: You

[1:49:35] Voice 1: could also restrict

[1:49:35] Voice 9: the use of TUPs altogether for STVRs. Now we have done that last term, they took away all their guidelines and it basically now just says

[1:49:45] Voice 9: you can't issue a TUP for STVRs or amend the guidelines to make them more restrictive. That would require more work. I think staff would probably

[1:49:55] Voice 9: i won't consider one just to leave them as it is because there is a pretty robust set of

[1:50:00] Voice 9: guidelines there you did work last term on that uh before two weeks of course you're also having

[1:50:06] Voice 9: an admission coming up about opting in all together and if you did open opt into the

[1:50:12] Voice 9: provincial legislation then uh that would outright restrict your ability to have any

[1:50:19] Voice 9: short-term vacation rentals in unoccupied questions yeah that's my presentation i'll

[1:50:26] Voice 9: put it back to you chair questions did

[1:50:29] Voice 10: we not put a freeze on tups for stvr's a couple of meetings

[1:50:39] Voice 10: ago

[1:50:39] Voice 11: because

[1:50:41] Voice 10: i got a whole bunch of phone calls and emails from people requesting further information

[1:50:49] Voice 19: I don't know if it was verbalized. I don't know if it was motioned or not.

[1:50:53] Voice 10: We're sort of concerned about the idea of TUPs being most people seeking them.

[1:51:00] Voice 10: Because we also only gave a fellow a TUP for one year because we didn't want to offer him a three-year.

[1:51:08] Voice 10: You're right. You're way

[1:51:08] Voice 9: ahead of me. We're way ahead of you.

[1:51:12] Voice 9: There's a standing list.

[1:51:15] Voice 9: So essentially right now, we've got a freeze on you.

[1:51:18] Voice 9: anymore any more as a standing resolution with no change to your gun is one

[1:51:22] Voice 9: of the yeah that's

[1:51:24] Voice 9: the easiest probably the best place to leave it for now and then you still have time to consider

[1:51:32] Voice 9: provincial legislation which would make all of this discussion weird anyways rather than

[1:51:37] Voice 9: spending a whole bunch of time and that

[1:51:39] Voice 10: that was my that was my thought and i had hoped

[1:51:42] Voice 10: I would have hoped that maybe we could have a discussion this meeting, to have added an agenda item to have a discussion this meeting about if we're leaning towards that as being adopting into the provincial regulations that we should maybe send out a letter to the people that have TUPs that would be looking at having them renewed, that we should give them a heads up that that was likely happening.

[1:52:12] Voice 10: not to happen because i know there's a big flush of applications at the beginning of our term that

[1:52:18] Voice 10: would all be ending right near the end of our term like i believe the majority of the applications

[1:52:24] Voice 10: that we have out all come up in our last

[1:52:26] Voice 9: year of our term so do you know that i trust council

[1:52:30] Voice 9: there's a presentation yes yes it might make sense

[1:52:39] Voice 9: and have a discussion about your findings and at that meeting where you would be learning

[1:52:45] Voice 9: leaning towards and opting in understanding opting in also wondering what's uh make it

[1:52:53] Voice 9: restrictive for example uh or like it has to be your primary residence so you couldn't have a

[1:52:59] Voice 9: renter in your cottage and renting out your stbr as a home occupation would you currently

[1:53:05] Voice 9: so those are some and so uh i guess you could uh direct staff to provide a staff memo

[1:53:13] Voice 9: from the implications of opportunity pretty generally i think you've represented that

[1:53:19] Voice 9: already so it would just be us revisiting that yeah so that's the

[1:53:22] Voice 9: that's the resolution okay um

[1:53:29] Voice 9: and also since um we have the apc members here and they would like to speak to the recommendations

[1:53:34] Voice 9: there's a little bit as well, correct? Well, actually, we just

[1:53:38] like to speak briefly about the staff report and the agency

[1:53:44] recommendation actually Joyce could speak to that.

[1:53:47] Just through

[1:53:48] Voice 9: the chair before you do that, I would clarify

[1:53:50] Voice 9: that the staff recommendations were really largely based on

[1:53:54] Voice 9: their preliminary report, which did have detail provide a bunch

[1:53:59] Voice 9: for uh information around actual for example the flexible zoning what lots would be appropriate to

[1:54:06] Voice 9: do what with and so staff will take more time with those recommendations so they will help to inform

[1:54:10] Voice 9: our draft violence but i think this is more specific to the uh magic play but no too much

[1:54:16] Voice 9: if

[1:54:16] Voice 6: i could just speak to this so the staff report and we understand that it's generally consistent

[1:54:25] Voice 6: system with our recommendations but it does not address the specifics of our recommendations

[1:54:31] Voice 6: so that it's just left open-ended to staff to decide what they are and aren't going to do and

[1:54:38] Voice 6: i understand that they've been very in tune with us and that but i'd like the motion that goes

[1:54:47] Voice 6: forward to be specific so what i've done and there is one big discrepancy between what staff

[1:54:55] Voice 6: has recommended and our report and that relates to the suggestion that instead of secondary

[1:55:02] Voice 6: suites in smaller lots and magically they could have an adu and we specifically have recommended

[1:55:09] Voice 6: that no lot smaller than one acre should have an adu and we think that's really important

[1:55:17] Voice 6: Our density on Pender is 90.5.

[1:55:21] Voice 6: It's way higher than any island, and it's due to Magically, which was, of course, the genesis for the Trust in the first place.

[1:55:31] Voice 6: And the idea that you could double the number of units in Magically this way is just inconsistent with the density recommendations in Trust Policy.

[1:55:44] Voice 6: So what we've tried to do with non-Russian invasions is provide flexibility without changing the floral character or changing the density in a way that's inconsistent with the trust objects.

[1:56:01] Voice 6: And so our first thing we were looking at is the trust objects and being consistent with that while being able to provide the flexibility to allow for affordable housing.

[1:56:13] Voice 6: So what I've moved is that we direct staff so that we exclude this.

[1:56:23] Voice 6: So what Brad said in his recommendations is that we could exclude and include different things.

[1:56:32] So what I've suggested is that we

[1:56:34] Voice 6: exclude those particular staff recommendations, the EG and H, and replace them with the specific recommendations of the APC in their report.

[1:56:49] Voice 6: And I don't think that's inconsistent.

[1:56:52] Voice 6: And it's just to provide a framework.

[1:56:55] Voice 6: It's really unfortunate that we didn't have the P&D information meeting on our recommendations

[1:57:03] Voice 6: and that we don't have the two reports, the sustainability report and the build-out report,

[1:57:09] Voice 6: before we're going forward to draft the bylaws.

[1:57:12] Voice 6: But I think it's really important, it is important from the APC's point of view, that our work

[1:57:20] Voice 6: be reflected in the bylaws.

[1:57:23] Voice 6: So I

[1:57:24] Voice 10: do think the ADU idea, as opposed to secondary suites in Magic Lake, has been an idea for our whole term.

[1:57:41] Voice 10: It was something that came up very early on in the term prior to the housing project and whatnot was that there was such little uptake on secondary suites.

[1:57:55] Voice 10: I think there's been now two that have been built since that was put into effect that it would be allowed.

[1:58:05] Voice 10: and one was built I think right away and the other one was just I think they just

[1:58:11] Voice 10: got their occupancy permit about a month and a half ago and so I don't know

[1:58:20] Voice 10: that we will get a ton of update even on ADUs. I had always thought in my own

[1:58:28] Voice 10: brain that larger lots outside of Magic Lake would be the place to put ADUs but

[1:58:35] Voice 10: But we don't have the easily accessible infrastructure on a lot of the bigger lots.

[1:58:41] Voice 10: I have all kinds of acreage I could put ADUs and tiny houses on, but there's no services there.

[1:58:47] Voice 10: There's no power to the property to start with, and there's no proper water, and we've got to build septic systems to all of it.

[1:58:55] Voice 10: So that particular issue is a difficult one to know where we're going to get any uptake on the ADUs.

[1:59:07] Voice 6: So we did make an exception for the RR1 lots that were one acre or bigger in that area.

[1:59:15] Voice 6: Do we know how many of them there are?

[1:59:17] Voice 6: Well, that's why we don't have the suitability or build-out analysis to say this.

[1:59:22] Voice 6: Yes, but to say that we are automatically going to allow all of the lots in RR1 to expand to have an ADU is simply not in the opinion of the APC the way we should be doing.

[1:59:40] Voice 6: We do know that there's a great deal of lots that are one acre or bigger outside of RR1 that are suitable for this.

[1:59:49] Voice 6: And before we start thinking about moving into the Magic Lake area, we should be looking at what lots are available outside there.

[2:00:00] Voice 6: it

[2:00:00] Voice 9: should require the to the building so through the chair just to clarify where we're at with

[2:00:07] Voice 9: this process so the pcg so we did have a cim scheduled in mid-october and that was planned

[2:00:15] Voice 9: or late october it was planned to bring a final or the record of the preliminary recommendations

[2:00:21] Voice 9: of the apc to present that information and some preliminary mapping unfortunately uh the strike

[2:00:28] Voice 9: impacted the ability to have that CIM, it also impacted staff's ability to do any work in that

[2:00:34] Voice 9: time. And so we were hunted back on this project in a sense. The plan B, the pivot was to instead

[2:00:43] Voice 9: bring some high level recommendations forward to start developing a draft framework. I think

[2:00:50] Voice 9: for the most part, these are pretty consistent with the recommendations of the ABC,

[2:00:53] Voice 9: keeping in mind that I literally had one working day with their final report,

[2:00:58] Voice 9: which is quite a bit more information than their preliminary report did.

[2:01:02] Voice 9: And so it's just impossible for staff to sift through all of that information

[2:01:06] Voice 9: and to tease out some of the specifics of what advice may or may not say.

[2:01:12] Voice 9: And that would be the exercise that staff would take as the next step

[2:01:17] Voice 9: in going through more detail, bringing back a draft bylaw framework,

[2:01:21] Voice 9: brain work, and then having that CIM after that.

[2:01:25] Voice 9: And I think it actually might be a better use of that CIM rather than just kind of blue

[2:01:30] Voice 9: skying again, as we've done on the other one, where you actually have a draft bylaw and

[2:01:35] Voice 9: people see the implications of that bylaw.

[2:01:37] Voice 9: And some

[2:01:38] Voice 1: of those things

[2:01:39] Voice 9: may stick and some of them may not.

[2:01:40] Voice 9: So staff are certainly not saying that all of these things should stick and all of them

[2:01:44] Voice 9: shouldn't.

[2:01:44] Voice 9: We're just saying that we are going to bring these concepts forward as they evolve in interaction.

[2:01:50] Voice 9: So,

[2:01:51] Voice 10: does it work then to pass this, knowing that this creates a framework that we can

[2:02:01] Voice 10: tackle in that community information meeting and bring more to it?

[2:02:05] Voice 10: That's the plan.

[2:02:07] Voice 9: So we would bring that, we would be presenting, which I think when people, for example in

[2:02:13] Voice 9: Magic Lake, if they see that actually in a draft by-law, it will stimulate more interest

[2:02:18] Voice 9: in them actually participating and your third,

[2:02:25] Voice 9: just further to the work around the mapping,

[2:02:28] Voice 9: the strike also

[2:02:29] Voice 9: impacted that actual physical work occurring.

[2:02:33] Voice 9: So staff are consistently expressed to the ABC.

[2:02:38] Voice 9: Another referral would be finer tuning of these bylaws

[2:02:44] Voice 9: to identify specific properties, for example,

[2:02:47] Voice 9: that may be more appropriate for or areas that aren't based on some of that mapping as well as

[2:02:53] Voice 9: your community what i would say about the magic lakes piece is in meeting with the crd planning

[2:02:58] Voice 9: staff their perspective is that the raw water is there to to uh to provide like you're saying to

[2:03:07] Voice 9: provide more connections it's the infrastructure that lacks and that planning really should be

[2:03:12] Voice 9: leading infrastructure rather than infrastructure the good planning right

[2:03:16] Voice 9: uh and it really it

[2:03:18] Voice 9: wouldn't be uh so what we're like with a flexible zoning scheme on some of your other zoning

[2:03:23] Voice 9: uh areas uh you would truly be able to get an additional accessory dwelling unit for example

[2:03:30] Voice 9: you could get uh two small cottages if you reduce the footprint size of your house versus what we're

[2:03:37] Voice 9: proposing in magic lakes is simply that instead of a secondary suite which is already approved

[2:03:43] Voice 9: on every property in magic lakes you could have a small footprint unit in replacement of that

[2:03:49] Voice 9: so in some respects the use of water and septic for example would be this would be offset it would

[2:04:03] Voice 9: also put potentially provide options for uh aging in place for example for some of those problems

[2:04:10] Voice 9: or so that's that's that's the intent of that and i would just finally say that

[2:04:21] Voice 9: the reality is that staff recommendations don't always align with the conditions

[2:04:25] Voice 9: I just need to add something.

[2:04:32] Voice 10: We've had an issue in the past with the CRD, where we've approved zoning or density, and the CRD has not approved the build out based on their, is that?

[2:04:49] Voice 9: So that would be

[2:04:50] Voice 10: the work that

[2:04:50] Voice 9: we would be doing with CRD planning staff over the coming months to determine if this is a reasonable bylaw consideration to make with further research of CRD planning staff working with their infrastructure staff to better understand what the obstacle is to service, whether it's infrastructure or actual supply.

[2:05:18] Voice 10: that's the was a plummetry court right like that was our issue with the plummetry court we

[2:05:23] Voice 10: approved eight and then crd came back and said no you can only have

[2:05:28] Voice 10: i think that was a telegram for demonstrating fruitful water so that's a little different

[2:05:36] Voice 6: um so i'm not quite sure what brad as opposed to what we've recommended in the way of bylaws

[2:05:44] Voice 6: But I would say that if you're going to stick with Brad's recommendation, I would ask that you add an additional direction that any drafting should be in accordance with the recommendations of the APC.

[2:06:01] Voice 6: I

[2:06:02] Voice 10: think if I understand it right we in drafting it the way that Brad is recommending it it would

[2:06:11] Voice 10: be looking at a broader um broader recommendation that if the if there if issues start to come up

[2:06:24] Voice 10: we can narrow it down to what the APC is saying is of one acre lawns.

[2:06:33] Voice 6: That's not a specific issue, it's the general recommendations that we've made as opposed to the

[2:06:41] Voice 6: so for instance we made some recommendations on lawn size. If you want to agree that the

[2:06:48] Voice 6: The alternative to suites should be there.

[2:06:51] Voice 6: We still would like our recommendations considered

[2:06:55] Voice 6: and included in the drafting.

[2:06:58] Voice 9: But I think it's important through,

[2:07:00] Voice 9: sorry, through the chair.

[2:07:01] Voice 9: It's important to understand that I'm gonna work with you

[2:07:03] Voice 9: to ensure your recommendations where staff agree with them

[2:07:06] Voice 9: are consistent with those job files going forward.

[2:07:09] Voice 9: But we

[2:07:09] Voice 6: understood after our preliminary report

[2:07:13] Voice 6: that Planner Kojima had reviewed everything

[2:07:17] Voice 6: and what's in agreement with it.

[2:07:19] Voice 9: But I don't see where the huge shift has occurred in my recommendations

[2:07:26] Voice 9: to what you're recommending.

[2:07:27] Voice 8: But they're

[2:07:27] Voice 8: not specific.

[2:07:29] Voice 9: But they're not verbatim to your recommendations, correct?

[2:07:33] Voice 9: They're not.

[2:07:34] Voice 9: They're staff recommendations.

[2:07:35] Voice 9: The LTC could choose right now to either say,

[2:07:40] Voice 9: no, we're not going to follow the staff recommendations.

[2:07:41] Voice 9: We're going to direct staff to very specifically follow what the APC is

[2:07:46] Voice 9: recommending or they could choose to not do that so let's back

[2:07:50] Voice 19: and forth but i've also i've got

[2:07:53] Voice 19: planning manager kajima had his hand up i don't know if he had something to add to the conversation

[2:07:57] Voice 19: that he was hearing i

[2:08:03] Voice 13: think brad covered it thank you chair i think brad covered it but i just to

[2:08:07] Voice 13: emphasize again that um the apc is an advisory group to the local trust committee staff also

[2:08:13] Voice 13: give advice to the local trust committee it's up to the local trust committee to sift through that

[2:08:17] Voice 13: advice you'll also get advice from agencies and once the draft bylaw is out there you'll get

[2:08:22] Voice 13: advice from the public you'll hear from the public at that point um and it's up to the ltc to sift

[2:08:29] Voice 13: through this these various advice and recommendations and to make the decisions okay so

[2:08:38] Voice 9: today is not

[2:08:39] Voice 9: we're locking this in stone no this is driving

[2:08:45] Voice 9: yeah like

[2:08:46] Voice 10: i'm new to this process so i just yeah yeah

[2:08:50] Voice 10: and that's and i've personally

[2:08:54] Voice 10: like the sort of a larger flexibility approach to some of it as we go into it because i know

[2:09:02] Voice 10: that we can always fine-tune it i also would have appreciated a second side to this

[2:09:10] Voice 10: um conversation because i think that it is this we're very much crafting something that moves

[2:09:18] Voice 10: forward in our community with the hopes that this sets some things in motion that are beneficial for

[2:09:24] Voice 10: our future um and yeah i i this is something i don't really want to make a very specific

[2:09:34] Voice 10: decision on at this point because i feel like there needs to be more input to it

[2:09:42] Voice 10: and we don't have that just

[2:09:44] Voice 9: here the chair staff would

[2:09:46] Voice 9: in in in cases where appropriate we would

[2:09:49] Voice 9: also be providing options as we draft that agreement so considering the recommendations

[2:09:55] Voice 9: of the abc of course because they've been so constructive in all of this work and continuing

[2:09:59] Voice 9: that relationship so i think that's we

[2:10:01] Voice 6: have a very good working relationship with brad and and i'm not

[2:10:07] Voice 6: trying to be confrontational I was just trying to ensure that the work that we've done that we

[2:10:13] Voice 6: understood was consistent with the planners thinking was incorporated into the graph by

[2:10:20] Voice 6: law so we can work with Fred

[2:10:22] Voice 9: absolutely but

[2:10:24] Voice 6: in

[2:10:25] Voice 9: some cases we might not as we go through the

[2:10:27] Voice 9: staff might not agree with some of those recommendations but we will certainly work

[2:10:31] Voice 9: through all of that and your recommendations for example around number four enabling inflexibility

[2:10:37] Voice 9: building team i think they're all pretty stamped and it's just that you

[2:10:40] Voice 9: know i'm not physically

[2:10:41] Voice 9: on

[2:10:41] Voice 10: title two i think i think too like i can speak for myself for sure this last little run into

[2:10:53] Voice 10: today's meeting the housing and affordability for me was probably the lowest thing in my mind

[2:11:02] Voice 10: to wrap my head around only because

[2:11:06] Voice 10: I know that the work that has been done has been incredible

[2:11:10] Voice 10: and the recommendations have all seemed to be

[2:11:14] Voice 10: very much in line with sort of community consensus

[2:11:18] Voice 10: things that I have heard from people.

[2:11:23] Voice 10: So knowing that we can move this forward

[2:11:26] Voice 10: and continue the discussion and keep talking about it, I think

[2:11:30] Voice 10: that there's security in that for everyone not be good yeah so if it's cool move this forward

[2:11:43] Voice 10: and we can uh continue to discuss how it better can be tweaked as we go we're

[2:11:52] Voice 19: very good at baby

[2:11:53] Voice 19: steps and

[2:11:54] Voice 6: also the recommendation is that the apc continue to be involved and be involved in

[2:12:00] Voice 6: the graphing files it means

[2:12:02] Voice 10: you all have to sign up again right

[2:12:04] Voice 6: not till i hear you

[2:12:07] Voice 6: it's coming

[2:12:09] Voice 8: it's coming um okay and

[2:12:12] Voice 6: there is a motion to add them that

[2:12:15] Voice 7: we think we do in the calendar

[2:12:17] Voice 7: nope you're right here not anything yeah yeah

[2:12:25] Voice 9: wait i don't think you need to appoint uh abc

[2:12:29] Voice 9: members but I think that it's okay to do that here in

[2:12:36] Voice 13: fact the appointment

[2:12:37] Voice 13: chair the appointment

[2:12:38] Voice 13: of APC members is out of camera you go in camera if you want to discuss the individuals

[2:12:49] Voice 9: you have a long list of recommendations to work through them starting on page 197 again

[2:12:55] Voice 9: Yeah, there we go.

[2:12:58] Voice 10: I'm going to drink the water.

[2:13:00] Voice 10: The North

[2:13:01] Voice 10: Bender Island Local Trust Committee directs staff to prepare a draft land use and official community plan bylaw for housing accessibility and affordability project or access and affordability project

[2:13:13] Voice 10: that considers land use policy and zoning provisions to, A, permit accessory worker housing in appropriate community service zones and commercial zones,

[2:13:25] Voice 10: B. Consider rezoning for seniors and affordable housing and all appropriate land use designations with a mix of non-market and market rents, and that the need for housing agreements be determined at the time of rezoning.

[2:13:38] Voice 10: C. Permit up to three units of second-story rental housing with a limited floor area as part of proposed buildings 5, 6, and 7 at the Driftwood Mall property, subject to the proof of water and demonstration of septic capacity.

[2:13:53] Voice 10: D. Enable flexible zoning to create the potential for additional housing units on lot zone Rural Residential 2 and Rural.

[2:14:03] Voice 10: E. Permit ADUs as an alternative to secondary suites in the Rural Residential 1 zone in consultation with the Capital Regional District.

[2:14:13] Voice 10: F. Rezone the Anglican Church Diocese property to allow for affordable housing as a permitted use.

[2:14:22] Voice 10: g add policies that consider the potential development of a tiny home on wheels or other

[2:14:28] Voice 10: small footprint manufactured home community h make any make any other amendments that are required to

[2:14:36] Voice 10: ensure affordable housing and other policy objectives and criteria align with proposed

[2:14:41] Voice 10: changes to zoning including any administrative or definition updates to ensure consistency

[2:14:49] Voice 10: rolls off so

[2:14:50] Voice 12: i

[2:14:52] Voice 19: will second that question thanks i have to say once again from the top

[2:15:00] Voice 12: any

[2:15:00] Voice 19: discussion all the questions all favor that carries so we have now motion number two that the

[2:15:05] Voice 10: north bender island local trust committee direct staff to schedule a special community information

[2:15:10] Voice 10: meeting for the housing access and affordability projects to be held between early february and

[2:15:16] Voice 10: mid-march 2026 and to advertise the meeting in the pender post i would second that motion

[2:15:21] Voice 10: any further discussion call question all favor carries that the north pender island local trust

[2:15:26] Voice 10: committee requests that the special advisory planning commission on housing report back with

[2:15:31] Voice 10: analysis options and recommendations for potential further bylaw men based amendments based on

[2:15:37] Voice 10: suitable land analysis and build up analysis mapping and to support the ongoing development

[2:15:42] Voice 10: in review of proposed amending bylaws.

[2:15:44] Voice 10: I'll second that motion.

[2:15:46] Voice 10: Question on favor?

[2:15:47] Voice 10: That carries.

[2:15:48] Voice 10: At the North Penn Island Local Trust Committee

[2:15:50] Voice 10: appoints Ken Rempel to the Special Advisory Planning

[2:15:53] Voice 10: Commission on Housing for the remainder

[2:15:55] Voice 10: of the current term ending March 1st, 2026.

[2:15:58] Voice 19: I'll second that motion.

[2:15:59] Voice 10: Question?

[2:16:01] Voice 10: Reconsider?

[2:16:02] Voice 10: No?

[2:16:04] Voice 10: What was that?

[2:16:05] Voice 10: All in favor?

[2:16:07] Voice 10: Carried.

[2:16:08] Voice 10: At the North Penn Island Local Trust Committee

[2:16:10] Voice 10: The Committee continues with the Special Advisory Plan Commission on Housing and Direct Staff to advertise for membership for a new one-year term commencing March 1, 2026.

[2:16:19] Voice 10: I

[2:16:19] Voice 19: will second that motion.

[2:16:21] Voice 19: I have a question about whether that carries.

[2:16:25] Voice 9: Mr. Chair, it would be good to, and that doesn't have to be decided now, but have some sense of timing around, well, a Saturday meeting for UCIM.

[2:16:34] Voice 9: am your october one was planned to be a saturday uh if you want to just you don't need to decide

[2:16:40] Voice 9: now i think we need to be trusty more sitting oh email all of you try to nail down the date

[2:16:45] Voice 9: but is there any thoughts around a saturday versus a friday and are there any dates that

[2:16:49] Voice 9: just don't i

[2:16:50] Voice 10: actually feel like we get more people that show up and stay when it's part of

[2:16:57] Voice 10: of a Friday meeting than we do on a Saturday.

[2:17:01] Voice 10: I've

[2:17:02] Voice 7: been pretty disappointed with Saturdays.

[2:17:03] Voice 10: Yeah, Saturdays, I really, at the beginning of our term,

[2:17:06] Voice 10: had thought that doing them on a Saturday

[2:17:09] Voice 10: and hopefully giving people an opportunity

[2:17:11] Voice 10: to get to the meetings,

[2:17:13] Voice 10: doing them at the community hall after a farmer's market

[2:17:16] Voice 10: when most amount of people are in one spot

[2:17:20] Voice 10: on Pender Island would have.

[2:17:22] Voice 10: and it we had one meeting and i think it was because bc hydro was here and as soon as the

[2:17:30] Voice 10: lady from bc hydro left and we were going to talk about raptors everybody just opened the doors so

[2:17:35] Voice 10: your

[2:17:36] Voice 9: past meeting was a special meeting so it was separate from all your other agenda items

[2:17:40] Voice 9: just focused on housing you could either have a special meeting on a friday on a different friday

[2:17:45] Voice 9: or you could just incorporate a shorter CIM and just the presentation was probably less

[2:17:52] Voice 9: an opportunity for question and answers like at your March 27th meeting it just starts to get

[2:17:59] Voice 9: near as you get closer and closer to any of your term and these amendments requiring an

[2:18:06] Voice 9: OCP approval from the minister which puts a whole bunch like with Braden's there's

[2:18:11] Voice 9: if it's consistent with the ocp you just need executive approval so the runway is quite a bit

[2:18:17] Voice 9: longer but for this work uh it would be nice by march to have draft bylaw that at least you're

[2:18:24] Voice 9: ready to send out for referral and then by the summer time be able to maybe get into this so

[2:18:31] Voice 9: interesting we've

[2:18:32] Voice 10: got six members of the apc sitting right here does it affect you guys if

[2:18:38] Voice 10: it's a sat friday or saturday is that how you get any i know

[2:18:41] Voice 10: i mean that seems to be that also you guys are the majority of the people that show up for the

[2:18:51] Voice 10: community information meetings you know so to you know hopefully we can get more people out

[2:18:57] Voice 10: of

[2:18:57] Voice 9: the community once

[2:18:59] Voice 6: there's a drama there will

[2:19:02] Voice 9: be more interesting yeah yeah once there's a drop

[2:19:04] Voice 9: by one place especially if people say things that are restricted to that right maybe in fact

[2:19:09] Voice 9: their property interests like yeah alternative adus and magic links for example okay uh but the

[2:19:16] Voice 9: question being do you want a part of your march 27th meeting or do you want to stop to schedule

[2:19:20] Voice 9: something special

[2:19:21] Voice 11: specific

[2:19:23] Voice 9: i think that would be a good question we'll look at it for friday

[2:19:29] Voice 9: yeah

[2:19:29] Voice 11: yeah so i'll

[2:19:31] Voice 11: work with you and

[2:19:31] Voice 9: offline to try to confirm that that helps me so so we

[2:19:36] Voice 9: talked about the reason sort of the timeline late february maybe no i'll zoom in with a

[2:19:43] Voice 9: penguin in the background we'll make it work yeah i just

[2:19:50] Voice 17: asked a technical question

[2:19:52] Voice 17: but will we be able

[2:19:53] Voice 17: to get the brochures mailed out yes

[2:19:55] Voice 9: so the brochures staff still have and

[2:19:59] Voice 9: because of the the postal strike and then that actually was well timed because we didn't have

[2:20:04] Voice 9: a say so it actually worked out good uh so we plan to repurpose that pamphlet and put a sticker

[2:20:09] Voice 9: on once we confirm this new date and get it to all households so that should really help to

[2:20:14] Voice 9: stimulate at least we can say every household has been informed of this meeting and a handful

[2:20:19] Voice 9: will still show

[2:20:19] Voice 10: up and we've got great response really from that yeah survey when we put this

[2:20:24] Voice 10: right that was pretty shocking to get that many responses on it um from folks and then

[2:20:32] Voice 10: haven't really got it at meetings so thank you for

[2:20:35] Voice 9: that that's a good point so that would be

[2:20:37] Voice 9: work that's done over the next few weeks as that date's going to be doing

[2:20:41] Voice 9: about what you're going to be doing the next meeting i should bring the stickers and the

[2:20:49] Voice 9: pamphlets

[2:20:55] Voice 8: i'm sorry

[2:20:56] Voice 7: what is the date i mean are you going to get the date now well

[2:21:00] Voice 6: after trustee morrison it's family

[2:21:03] Voice 6: day there's family week so we don't want that you don't want that i

[2:21:08] Voice 9: think that it would be best to

[2:21:09] Voice 9: check with Trustee Morrison first and try to confirm her attendance as well and so I'll work

[2:21:14] Voice 9: with them behind the scenes to help to confirm a date and then I'll run that by influence as

[2:21:19] Voice 9: well before we further update. But it sounds like February sometimes. Yes, probably

[2:21:24] Voice 9: February would

[2:21:25] Voice 9: make sense because then that would be in the term of this APC and we'd have an opportunity to close

[2:21:29] Voice 9: arguably. Okay,

[2:21:31] Voice 19: so are we done? That's it, thank you Chair. Well that's excellent. So we move to

[2:21:39] Voice 19: reports on page 232 um we have a lab approaches report and then 233 future purchase report

[2:21:49] Voice 19: any questions or comments

[2:21:54] Voice 19: okay let me be a planner nothing for those okay so we have

[2:22:00] Voice 19: applications report on page 235

[2:22:04] Voice 9: so today there are a lot of new applications coming through

[2:22:07] Voice 9: good thing

[2:22:08] Voice 9: um

[2:22:09] Voice 19: and then for information on page 238 my question look what's that report

[2:22:15] Voice 19: uh between the 39th 31 it's not policies blah blah blah um so now we go to 17 new business

[2:22:23] Voice 19: uh six six six six zero one raised point road cabinet update i think we should uh well there's

[2:22:31] Voice 19: no update

[2:22:31] Voice 9: and I was supposed to see

[2:22:33] Voice 9: Laura's item and I think that

[2:22:35] Voice 9: you guys could consider just

[2:22:37] Voice 9: removing that as a standard item

[2:22:38] Voice 9: agenda. I don't see

[2:22:40] Voice 9: any real traction coming from that.

[2:22:43] Voice 9: You've moved on a long time

[2:22:45] Voice 9: ago with that permit approval.

[2:22:46] Voice 9: Okay, so what would be your

[2:22:48] Voice 9: motion on that? That the

[2:22:50] Voice 9: LTC direct staff to remove

[2:22:53] Voice 9: 17.16601

[2:22:56] Voice 9: raise your point road covenant

[2:22:57] Voice 9: update from the

[2:22:58] Voice 9: from the rest from the agenda as a standing item okay uh lisa you got that

[2:23:04] Voice 19: yes

[2:23:07] Voice 17: sure but i have that

[2:23:08] Voice 17: and

[2:23:09] Voice 19: you're going to move that trustee campbell so move by trustee campbell i will second that

[2:23:13] Voice 19: call a question on paper that carries we are no longer standing um upcoming meetings we have um

[2:23:21] Voice 19: 18.1 draft to 2026-27 LPC meeting schedule requests for decision.

[2:23:30] Voice 19: So I had only one point with that.

[2:23:34] Voice 19: So that's on page 244.

[2:23:38] Voice 19: The meeting that's proposed for November 20th, 26.

[2:23:44] Voice 19: Yes, we're already a year out.

[2:23:46] Voice 19: this is the next terms our next year's um meetings and schedule my suggestion is that that meeting

[2:23:54] Voice 19: be an electronic meeting rather than a regular meeting um just because of the logistics that's

[2:24:01] Voice 19: happening there as you'll note after trust council we have almost three weeks of meetings back to

[2:24:10] Voice 19: back to back to back to back um and there's contention um for the new executive the new

[2:24:16] Voice 19: chairs to have conflicts so and what it is is intended to be an introductory session to the

[2:24:24] Voice 19: for the trustees so it's basically meet the planner this is where we are this is where we're

[2:24:28] Voice 19: planning to go um so i think it works well in electronic format um so you know just that's my

[2:24:35] Voice 19: My only consideration looking at this, I've talked with senior staff, and they seem to be agreeing with us, probably the best way to go.

[2:24:46] Voice 19: Sure.

[2:24:49] Voice 10: Potentially, it has no bearing on us anyway.

[2:24:55] Voice 19: Potentially, yes.

[2:24:56] Voice 19: Exactly.

[2:24:57] Voice 19: It depends on who gets elected.

[2:25:00] Voice 19: So we have a recommendation.

[2:25:03] Voice 19: so the motion would be the recommendation

[2:25:06] Voice 19: on page 242 with the exception of November

[2:25:09] Voice 19: 20th, 2026 meeting be an electronic meeting rather than a regular meeting.

[2:25:20] Voice 10: The North Bender Island

[2:25:22] Voice 10: Local Trust Committee approved their April 2026 to March

[2:25:26] Voice 10: 2027 meeting schedule accepting

[2:25:30] Voice 10: that November 20th, 2026 be made

[2:25:34] Voice 10: a electronic meeting?

[2:25:37] Voice 19: I will second that. Call question on a favor. That carries. So

[2:25:43] Voice 19: now we know what we're doing for next year. And then next regular meeting scheduled for

[2:25:49] Voice 19: January 3rd, 2026, here. And now we have a town hall, if anybody has any questions.

[2:25:56] Voice 9: Sorry, Chair, can you, what was the date of that meeting you just changed? November 20th.

[2:26:02] Voice 19: yeah um so town hall if anybody's any questions oh my goodness they're just applying um

[2:26:10] Voice 19: no you

[2:26:11] Voice 5: go first because i got a question

[2:26:12] Voice 9: what does the cim look like if a community is going

[2:26:16] Voice 9: to show up is it formal

[2:26:17] Voice 10: like this or is it more like a charrette more more discussion guy more

[2:26:22] Voice 10: more sitting more talking more trying to have yeah try to dig through what people are really

[2:26:30] Voice 10: feeling from the community like what you know here here's what we're thinking yeah come and

[2:26:36] Voice 10: tell me what you think about it and what people want to see like that that was people about coming

[2:26:44] Voice 10: into getting elected people always said oh there's no no opportunity for us to sort of

[2:26:49] Voice 10: tell us what you think and and some people do take time out of their day quite regularly to

[2:26:56] Voice 10: contact and you know your cell phone is a it's public record once you get elected so

[2:27:03] Voice 10: lots of people people reach out but but really you don't get to have really full conversation

[2:27:10] Voice 10: with a bunch of folks at the same time and see them riff off of different ideas for each other

[2:27:16] Voice 10: so that was the goal it set up for that sounds like yeah

[2:27:21] Voice 9: just really sure just add to that

[2:27:23] Voice 9: So staff would be organizing that CIM, so typically it would be a meeting and there would be, of course, a chair and a minute taker, but staff would usually lead the CIM by presenting informational materials.

[2:27:37] Voice 9: In this case, you would have your APC presenting their recommendations as well, if we have that suitable land analysis and build-out mapping that can be up on the wall, and those can be areas of discussion.

[2:27:52] Voice 9: Ideally, you have 20 or 30 or 40 people there and you can have like breakout sessions or

[2:27:56] Voice 9: something like that.

[2:27:57] Voice 9: But the reality is so far in North Pender, it's just been ample.

[2:27:59] Voice 9: So it's really been more evolved into a really useful round table, but hopefully getting

[2:28:09] Voice 9: these pamphlets out to households and an actual draft bio log will generate like, I think

[2:28:15] Voice 9: it's in my experience uh north pender just has less of a community engagement aspect than like

[2:28:22] Voice 9: galliano there'd be 100 people here today for real yeah uh great application you know for and against

[2:28:30] Voice 9: right so there and for something like housing there would be like 30 well typically there's 30

[2:28:35] Voice 9: or 40 people every meeting right so how do you build more of that grassroots engagement around

[2:28:41] Voice 9: housing which is so needed to get it right yeah

[2:28:47] Voice 17: so i just want to come back to the the principles

[2:28:52] Voice 17: both four and it's 3.4.5 and it's climate change mitigation and adaptation and it's the only little

[2:29:03] Voice 17: section in here about climate change i think it's way too general and um one of the things that i

[2:29:12] Voice 17: don't see anywhere in this is um clear-cutting like there's these these issues keep coming up

[2:29:18] Voice 17: over and over again about somebody's just clear-cutting you know like their property

[2:29:22] Voice 17: like the the example down on pirates road i don't know how many acres eight or ten acres got

[2:29:27] Voice 17: clear-cut to build a house in magic lake it gets clear-cut like there's no need for that but there's

[2:29:33] Voice 17: also no guidelines anywhere that says you cannot clear-cut um so just to say that you know mitigation

[2:29:41] Voice 17: litigation management you know it's fine but i think that we need to actually get more specific

[2:29:48] Voice 17: and um and in that specification i think things actually need to be

[2:29:54] Voice 17: stabbed spoken um and i would have liked to have seen that

[2:30:00] Voice 17: the air it's not in the air i will write about it for sure but it's just that um i hope that lots

[2:30:08] Voice 17: of people respond because it's something that i think is really important you know when when

[2:30:15] Voice 17: somebody does take down too many trees on their lab like another one on schooner with the dpas on

[2:30:20] Voice 17: it there's a lot of you know people talking about it then but there's nothing behind anybody here

[2:30:28] Voice 17: that that says well you just broke a law you know so i think you need bylaws in order to

[2:30:35] Voice 17: give people some parameters about what they can and cannot do in their land and then of course

[2:30:41] Voice 17: then that would fit in with climate change you

[2:30:43] Voice 10: also don't have the jurisdiction to make that

[2:30:45] Voice 10: bylaw oh you don't have that

[2:30:47] Voice 17: jurisdiction okay we

[2:30:50] Voice 10: do not have tree we do not have tree cutting

[2:30:52] Voice 10: authority in the islands trust local government doesn't have that extended freedom so the only

[2:30:56] Voice 10: way that we can control that is and why schooner road 4815 schooner road was such a big deal was

[2:31:05] Voice 10: they cut through two development permit areas so there's a raptor and a heron dpa on those

[2:31:10] Voice 10: properties and the folks cut the trees down in there they didn't i mean arguable they didn't

[2:31:18] Voice 10: do anything wrong clear cutting until they touched the two dpas and the dpas were the reason for the

[2:31:25] Voice 10: enforcement and the and uh and going after them uh taking it to the province and in the end the

[2:31:34] Voice 10: province declined to um take it up because we don't we the local government does not have tree

[2:31:44] Voice 10: cutting authority extended to it

[2:31:47] Voice 19: because that was not one of the requests the province wanted to

[2:31:51] Voice 19: review so it's because that's because we're a provincial agency so we promised our master and

[2:31:57] Voice 19: And so we only kind of can work within the parameters that they give us.

[2:32:02] Voice 19: And there was a lot of violent enforcement that struggled a lot with that scurrying away situation.

[2:32:09] Voice 19: The

[2:32:09] Voice 10: CRD as a municipality does.

[2:32:13] Voice 10: And that's why when you go to a certain building going on in Sydney, for instance, or Saanich,

[2:32:21] Voice 10: people will have to get a report done and trees are tagged and move this one and this one.

[2:32:26] Voice 10: and you may have to adjust your footprint according to um uh what species are there

[2:32:33] Voice 10: gary oak for one being a protected tree um but that's not extended to the analyst trust a little

[2:32:39] Voice 10: ago

[2:32:41] Voice 12: okay so it's credential thank you

[2:32:43] Voice 9: so why is it sorry i do have some sanity where we had to

[2:32:48] Voice 9: draw a retreat municipality

[2:32:50] Voice 10: that's a municipality they have they have i mean that there's probably

[2:32:55] Voice 10: more specifics

[2:32:55] Voice 9: to it but that's so through the community charter municipalities are afforded

[2:33:00] Voice 9: additional powers that regional districts and the average stress aren't afforded in one of those

[2:33:05] Voice 9: so around noise and you know uh noise and other uh complaints like that

[2:33:12] Voice 9: uh animal management for example is another one and tree cutting is another power that

[2:33:19] that

[2:33:19] Voice 9: municipalities are granted those.

[2:33:21] Voice 9: So the only, like Trustee Campbell says,

[2:33:24] Voice 9: really the only way you could explore

[2:33:27] Voice 9: like a Coastal Douglas fur development permit area,

[2:33:31] Voice 9: for example, but that would require an enormous amount

[2:33:34] Voice 9: of work to do all the mapping and community engagement

[2:33:38] Voice 9: around that to then just create them

[2:33:40] Voice 9: as you have a Raptor DEP.

[2:33:42] Voice 9: So that would be the one power that they have,

[2:33:44] Voice 9: but where a sandwich can say, you can't cut that tree.

[2:33:48] Voice 9: but

[2:33:48] Voice 19: but also the the thing is is that if somebody does not comply part of the guard enforcement

[2:33:56] Voice 19: ability is very limited versus like some place like san jose and the spouting is a

[2:34:01] Voice 19: 30 000 fine yeah they can color they got better lines to color with them

[2:34:11] Voice 19: um

[2:34:12] Voice 20: regarding point 17.1 um there was a very strong opposition to at the end of razor point road

[2:34:22] Voice 20: a 12 000 foot house allowance and 3 000 and there was a class in this ltsp meeting and uh

[2:34:33] Voice 20: uh trustee morrison had during the debate about outside your debate about the lcd debate about

[2:34:41] Voice 20: outside had negotiated evidently at the scene of the meeting with the property owners that there

[2:34:47] Voice 20: would be a covenant to offset that 12 000 square foot and today that update has just been scrapped

[2:34:55] Voice 20: i just comment and this is your decision about how to handle it but this is more trustee morrison's

[2:35:05] Voice 20: justification for a 12 000 square foot house and a 3 000 square

[2:35:09] Voice 9: foot project there would be a

[2:35:12] Voice 9: covenant pressure just through the chair there was never a new uh an agreement between the property

[2:35:17] Voice 9: owner and trustee morrison or the ltc around the covenants uh there's some discussion around that

[2:35:24] Voice 9: uh and and some recommendations by staff to consider rezoning

[2:35:27] Voice 10: but we've been through all this

[2:35:29] Voice 10: it was it was removed as a line item because it's been a line item sitting there oh yes that has no

[2:35:38] Voice 10: update to it well

[2:35:39] Voice 20: i i agree with you but the conversation and you're right it wasn't an

[2:35:44] Voice 20: agreement at all and this was just a bias that somehow to the public justified that

[2:35:49] Voice 20: And now it's gone.

[2:35:52] Voice 20: Okay.

[2:35:56] Voice 19: If that's it,

[2:35:58] Voice 19: we have to go in camera.

[2:36:01] Voice 19: So we have a motion

[2:36:02] Voice 19: to read.

[2:36:05] Voice 19: Come on.

[2:36:06] Voice 19: I'm not sure I'm not

[2:36:08] Voice 19: going to read these things.

[2:36:10] Voice 10: I feel like you just

[2:36:14] Voice 10: made that rule on the spot.

[2:36:17] Voice 10: Thank you.

[2:36:18] Voice 10: Thank you.

[2:36:21] Voice 10: What does in-camera mean?

[2:36:22] Voice 10: You all have agreed.

[2:36:25] Voice 10: I mean, so we're

[2:36:26] Voice 10: talking about other things.

[2:36:29] Voice 10: That the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the community chartered by the Corps Division 3 S91F.

[2:36:38] Voice 10: F being law enforcement, if the council considers that disclosure could reasonably be expected to harm the conduct of an investigation under or enforcement of an enactment,

[2:36:48] Voice 10: and that the recorder and the staff attend the meeting.

[2:36:52] Voice 10: I will second that motion.

[2:36:54] Voice 19: And we'll bring it on here.

[2:36:58] Voice 19: That carries.

[2:37:00] Voice 19: So we are in camera.

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North Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date:  
Location:  
November 21, 2025 
Anglican Parish Hall 
4703 Canal Road, RR#1, North Pender Island, BC 
 
Members Present: David Maude, Chair 
 Aaron Campbell, Local Trustee 
 
Members Regrets: 
 
Deb Morrison, Local Trustee  
  
Staff Present: Robert Kojima, Regional Planning Manager (electronic) 
Brad Smith, Island Planner 
 Bruce Belcher, Planner 2 (electronic) 
 Warren Dingman, Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement Manager (electronic) 
 Lisa Millard, Meeting Administrator/Recorder (electronic) 
  
Others Present: There were 25 members of the public present. 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Maude called the meeting to order at 10:00 a.m.  
2. TERRITORIAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT 
Chair Maude acknowledged that the meeting was being held in territory of the Coast Salish 
First Nations. 
3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent, the agenda was approved as presented. 
4. TRUSTEE REPORT 
Trustee Campbell reported conversations with newer community members who have been 
reaching out to gain an understanding about what can and cannot be done on their 
properties. 
5. CHAIR'S REPORT 
Chair Maude reported the following: 
• Welcomed staff back and noted challenges and meeting cancellations that resulted 
from recent strike action 
• Upcoming attendance at the December Trust Council meeting during which a 
presentation on the provincial short-term vacation rental registry requirements will be 
provided and budget discussions will move forward 
ADOPTED 

 
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6. ELECTORAL AREA DIRECTOR'S REPORT - None 
7. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS 
Several members of the public spoke to application NP-PL-RZ-2024-0110 (Bigham) and the 
following comments were noted: 
• If the zoning application is approved, heavy truck traffic on Port Washington Road will 
increase which could result in an accident, causing bodily harm and, as the Trustees 
have been apprised of the potential safety issue, they could become liable for injuries 
• Diesel particulate exhaust has a significant effect on the speaker’s bee livestock 
resulting in the alteration of microbiome in the gut of honeybees which degrades their 
health standard, creates a higher risk of dying, and reduces honey production 
• A speaker lives beside one of the ecological reserves identified in the report, has 
reviewed all of the information including the environmental study, and supports the 
application 
• Bees fly in a five-mile radius which covers the entire area of the island, traffic can not be 
stopped island-wide due to the bee’s flying area, and beehives can be moved if desired 
• A bee farmer chose the valley location to contain their bees as they won’t fly over the 
crest of the hills or over water, the safety issue related to the truck traffic will affect their 
ability to have a roadside farmstand, and the increased truck traffic resulting from the 
application will contaminate their product 
• Heavy trucks, and resulting diesel exhaust, travel all over the island due to 
construction, the issue about traffic is island-wide, and truck traffic should not delay 
the application 
• There is likely a better site coming available for an industrial business use 
• An intelligent in-depth discussion should be undertaken by the Advisory Planning 
Commission to inform appropriate locations for industrial uses 
• The business has been operating at the same location since 1994, is across from the 
highways department and beside a lumber yard which use diesel trucks 
o The trucks can use any road on the island as none have been identified by the 
Ministry of Highways as being too weak to support truck weight 
o Road safety is the responsibility of drivers, pedestrians and the police, and making 
the industrial use conforming will not change the current use 
 
A member of the public stated the draft Islands Trust Policy Statement structure is flawed 
as by not relying on policy 1.3.1 a Local Trust Committee can disregard the policies and 
decide whether or not to implement them.  
 
A member of the public noted the Trust Policy Statement Survey Goal 3 has eleven points 
and only one box to indicate agreement or disagreement. 
The Chair suggested the speaker note this in the comments section so those that 
develop the survey can note this for future reference. 
 
A member of the public spoke on behalf of the Recreational Vehicle (RV) Alliance and the 
following comments were noted: 
• The RV Alliance has advocated to amend zoning regulations to permit residents to live 
in an RV on full time basis provided they are connected to appropriate services 

 
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• The Advisory Planning Commission recommendations ask the Local Trust Committee 
to reconsider the current moratorium on permitting an RV as a dwelling to include 
enforcement and have recommended RVs should not be allowed as dwelling units until 
specific standards are met 
• The RV Alliance presented two options for discussion and requested the Local Trust 
Committee request staff to work with the RV Alliance to deal with expressed concerns; 
• One option includes a permitting process that would require RV owners demonstrate 
their units are equipped with a carbon dioxide (CO
2
) detector, smoke alarm, fire 
extinguisher, and approved propane connections 
o These safety features would need to be inspected and verified annually as a 
condition for continued approval to reside in the RV 
o This approach would allow RVs to be used legally as a primary residence for 
accessory dwelling units provided all necessary established standards and 
inspection measures are in place 
• The second option is the development of a waiver that all parties would sign before one 
was permitted to live in an RV and, provided the waiver is drafted properly, one would 
not be able to sue Islands Trust or the Capital Regional District if they thought they had 
a cause of action 
 
An Advisory Planning Commission member noted their recommendations were made on 
the basis of safety as there is no recognized standard for safe permanent dwelling in an RV 
and they also recommended the Local Trust Committee advocate for, and work with, other 
levels of government to try to develop safety regulations. 
8. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING - None 
9. PUBLIC HEARING - None 
10. MINUTES 
10.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated October 3, 2025 (for Adoption) 
By general consent the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee meeting 
minutes of October 3, 2025 were adopted. 
10.2 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting Report Dated Nov 2025 
Received for information. 
10.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes Dated October 1 and October 8, 2025 
(for Receipt) 
Received for information. 
11. BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES 
11.1 Follow-up Action List Dated Nov 2025 
Received for information. 
12. DELEGATIONS – None 
  

 
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13. CORRESPONDENCE 
Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage 
14. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
14.1 Trust Council Bylaw No. 183 Policy Statement Bylaw Referral - For Response 
A Trustee noted that there has been limited community conversation regarding the 
Policy Statement.  
NP-2025-067 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee respond to the Islands 
Trust Council that interests are unaffected by proposed Bylaw No. 183. 
CARRIED 
14.2 NP-PL-DP-2025-0384 (Kerfoot) - Staff Report 
Planner Belcher summarized the staff report and highlighted the following: 
• The Development Permit application seeks a permit for construction of a pool 
deck on the subject property located withing the Commercial and Industrial 
Form and Character Development Permit Area 9 (DPA 9) 
• The applicant plans to construct a pool deck addition, approximately 90 m
2 
 in 
area, adjacent to the existing pool area 
• The property includes four rental cottages and a large rental house and the pool 
and proposed new deck and comprise a commercial tourist accommodation 
business 
• The proposed new deck does not impact the views of adjacent properties and 
the existing tress located on the property boundaries provide adequate 
screening for commercial use 
• The objectives and guidelines of the Development Permit Area have been met 
 
The applicant was in attendance and spoke to the application. 
 
The Local Trust Committee had no questions for the applicant or Planner and asked 
if there was a way to streamline Form and Character Development Permit Area 
applications. The Regional Planning Manager noted the Local Trust Committee has 
the option of either delegating the issuance of Development Permits to staff or 
reviewing the Development Permit Area guidelines and exemptions with the 
objective of changing them in a way in which minor routine applications with 
minimal impact be exempt.  
 
NP-2025-068 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of 
Development Permit PL-DP-2025-0384. 
CARRIED 

 
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NP-2025-069 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee request staff bring a 
Development Permit Delegation Bylaw and staff report to a future meeting. 
CARRIED 
14.3 NP-PL-DP-2025-0399 (Lansdowne) – Staff Report 
Island Planner Smith summarized the staff report and highlighted the following: 
• A Development Permit was previously approved for land alteration, tree 
removal, and establishment of building areas on the subject property located 
within Development Permit Area One – Woodland Ecosystems 
• An amended permit to allow for an adjustment to the siting of the proposed 
dwelling and accessory building (garage) was approved 
• The applicant is seeking another amendment to alter the siting of the house and 
the addition of a carport 
• The dwelling location has been adjusted to avoid a “no-build” covenant area 
 
The applicant was in attendance. 
 
A Trustee asked if the applicant could shift the location back to the original location 
that had been approved and the applicant clarified this would necessitate 
additional tree removal. 
 
NP-2025-070 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of 
amending Development Permit PL-DP-2025-0399 (Lansdowne). 
CARRIED 
14.4 NP-PL-RZ-2024-0110 (Bigham) – Staff Report 
Island Planner Smith summarized the staff report and highlighted the following: 
• The applicant previously submitted a rezoning application to permit the 
continued operation of aggregate storage, sales, and associated used on the 
subject property 
• The area proposed for rezoning is designated as Industrial and the proposed use 
is consistent with the land use designation 
• The applicant has submitted finalized groundwater and ecological assessment 
professional reports previously requested as well as a draft storm water 
management plan that is still being reviewed by staff 
• Community input received to date have been posted on the application 
webpage 
• Concerns regarding consistency with Official Community Plan, environmental 
issues, groundwater and water supply, and traffic safety have been addressed 
through staff and qualified professional reports 
• A draft bylaw will facilitate the referral and public input processes 
 

 
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Discussion ensued and the following comments were noted: 
• Comments heard regarding another potential location have been explored with 
owners of the property and it is unclear if the location will be available, if the 
current use can be expanded, and if the current owners wish to sell the property 
• The application seeks to legitimize the current use on a permanent basis versus 
ongoing issuance of Temporary Use Permits 
• The application does not seek to allow more than the current use but seeks to 
determine how to minimize any effects on the community 
• The traffic pattern in the area can also be attributed to the surrounding 
businesses 
• There is need to provide permanency to the business operator and continue 
conversation about what might be done to address community concerns 
• The professional reports received to date have addressed questions and 
concerns of the Local Trust Committee 
• Moving to the draft bylaw stage will allow continued conversation and input 
 
The applicant noted there is willingness to discuss the possibility of connecting the 
top portion of the property with the other covenanted areas while eventually also 
building a residence on the upland area, explore creating a circular driveway, make 
adjustments to the existing easement, and resurface the yard . 
 
NP-2025-071 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee directs staff to prepare a 
draft bylaw for rezoning application PL-RZ-2024-0110 (Bigham). 
CARRIED 
 
The meeting was recessed at 11:38 a.m. and reconvened at 11:46 a.m. 
15. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
15.1 Housing Affordability and Access Project – Staff Report 
Island Planner Smith summarized the recommendations outlined in the staff report 
which were formed based on work done to date and recommendations received 
from the Advisory Planning Commission. 
 
Discussion ensued and the following comments and clarifications were noted: 
• There is a standing resolution on not issuing new Temporary Use Permits for 
short-term vacation rentals while consideration of opting into the Provincial 
regulation is undertaken 
• The majority of Temporary Use Permits in effect at this time expire by the end of 
the current term 
• There will be a presentation at Trust Council regarding the Provincial regulations 
 
The Advisory Planning Commission spoke to their recommendations and noted the 
following: 
• The staff report does not address specifics of the recommendations provided 

 
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• There is discrepancy between staff and Advisory Planning Commission 
recommendations relating to permitting accessory dwelling units instead of 
secondary suites on smaller lots in the Magic Lake area 
• Allowing additional dwelling units on all lots within an RR1 zone, which includes 
the Magic Lake area, is not recommended and they suggest excluding staff 
recommendations (e), (g), and (h) and replace them with Advisory Planning 
Commission recommendations 
• They asked that the Local Trust Committee provide direction that the drafting of 
bylaws should be in accordance with recommendations made by the Advisory 
Planning Commission and they will work with the Island Planner Smith to 
incorporate them into the draft bylaw 
 
Island Planner Smith noted the Community Information Meeting that had been 
planned for October had intended to bring the Advisory Planning Commission 
recommendations and Suitable Buildout Analysis to the community for discussion; 
however, the meeting needed to be rescheduled due to labour disruption and it was 
determined to bring back a draft bylaw framework and then hold the Community 
Information Meeting in order to bring feedback received in the refining of the draft 
bylaw.  
 
The Regional Planning Manager emphasized that the Advisory Planning Commission 
is an advisory group and staff also provide advice and it is up to the Local Trust 
Committee to work through the recommendations and suggestions from all parties, 
including the public, when making decisions. 
 
  

 
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NP-2025-072 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee directs staff to prepare a 
draft land use and Official Community Plan bylaw for the Housing Access 
and Affordability Project that considers land use policy and zoning 
provisions to: 
a. Permit accessory worker housing in appropriate community service 
zones and commercial zones; 
b. Consider rezoning for seniors and affordable housing in all 
appropriate land use designations, with a mix of non-market and 
market rentals, and that the need for housing agreements be 
determined at the time of rezoning; 
c. Permit up to three units of second–storey rental housing with a 
limited floor area as part of proposed buildings 5, 6 and 7 at the 
Driftwood Mall property, subject to proof of water and 
demonstration of septic capacity; 
d. Enable flexible zoning to create the potential for additional housing 
units on lots zoned Rural Residential 2 and Rural; 
e. Permit ADUs as an alternative to secondary suites in the Rural 
Residential 1 zone in consultation with the Capital Regional District; 
f. Rezone the Anglican Church diocese property to allow for affordable 
housing as a permitted use; 
g. Add policies that consider the potential development of a Tiny Home 
on Wheels or other small footprint manufactured home community; 
h. Make any other amendments that are required to ensure affordable 
housing and other policy objectives and criteria align with proposed 
changes to zoning including any administrative or definition updates 
to ensure consistency. 
CARRIED 
 
NP-2025-073 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to schedule a 
special Community Information Meeting for the Housing Access and 
Affordability project to be held between early February and mid-March, 
2026, and to advertise the meeting in the Pender Post. 
CARRIED 
 
NP-2025-074 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee requests that the special 
Advisory Planning Commission on Housing report back with analysis, 
options and recommendations for potential further bylaw amendments 
based on suitable land analysis and built out analysis mapping, and to 
support the ongoing development and review of proposed amending 
bylaws. 
CARRIED 
 

 
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NP-2025-075 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee appoints Ken Rempel to the 
Special Advisory Planning Commission on Housing for the remainder of the 
current term ending March 1, 2026. 
CARRIED 
 
NP-2025-076 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee continues with the special 
Advisory Planning Commission on Housing and directs staff to advertise for 
membership for a new one year term commencing March 1, 2026. 
CARRIED 
 
Discussion ensued regarding the rescheduling of the Community Information 
Meeting and the following comments were noted: 
• There has been higher attendance and community involvement when the 
meeting is included as part of the Local Trust Committee regular business 
meeting on a Friday rather than a weekend 
• A shorter Community Information Meeting could be incorporated into the March 
meeting or a special meeting be scheduled on another Friday 
• It was confirmed the preference is to schedule a Special Meeting on a Friday in 
February and the information brochure will be revised to reflect the meeting 
date and will be mailed out to households 
16. REPORTS 
16.1 Work Program Report 
16.1.1 Active Projects Report Dated Nov 2025 
Received for information. 
16.1.2 Future Projects Report Dated Nov 2025 
Received for information. 
16.2 Applications Report Dated Nov 2025 
Received for information. 
16.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report Dated Sept 2025 
Received for information. 
16.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
Received for information. 
16.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage - None 
16.6 Islands Trust Conservancy Report - None 
  

 
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17. NEW BUSINESS 
17.1 6601 Razor Point Road Covenant Update – None 
NP-2025-077 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee request staff to remove item 
17.1 6601 Razor Point Road Covenant Update from the agenda as a standing 
item. 
  CARRIED 
18. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
18.1 Draft 2026-2027 LTC Meeting Schedule - Request for Decision 
Discussion ensued and it was noted that all meetings be held in-person while the 
November 20 meeting be held electronically due to potential travel constraints. 
NP-2025-078 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee approve their April, 
2026 to March, 2027 Meeting Schedule excepting that the November 20, 
2026 be made an electronic meeting, 
CARRIED 
18.2 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for January 30, 2026 at the St. Peter's Anglican 
Church Hall, Pender Island 
19. TOWN HALL  
A member of the public asked what a Community Information Meeting looks like and a 
Trustee replied it is less formal, includes a presentation, and provides time for questions 
and feedback. 
A speaker stated section 3.4.5 of the draft Trust Policy Statement is the only section about 
climate change. The statement is very general, and nothing has been included regarding 
clear cutting. 
 
It was explained that the Local Trust Committee does not have jurisdiction to restrict clear 
cutting. Tree cutting authority is within municipal government jurisdiction. The only 
available means to control tree cutting is the expansion of Development Permit Areas. 
 
A member of the public stated there had been strong opposition to Razor Point Road 
application approval, Trustee Morrison had, during the debate about house size, mentioned 
a covenant opportunity, and this is why the item17.1 has remained on the agenda. 
The Planner clarified that there was not an agreement between the property owner or any 
party for a covenant and there have been no updates forthcoming. 
  

 
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20. CLOSED MEETING (Distributed Under Separate Cover) 
20.1 Motion to Close Meeting 
NP-2025-079 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community 
Charter, Part 4, Division 3, s. 90(1)(f): 
(f) law enforcement, if the council considers that disclosure could 
reasonably be expected to harm the conduct of an investigation under or 
enforcement of an enactment; 
AND that the recorder and staff attend the meeting. 
CARRIED 
The meeting was closed to the public at 12:37 p.m. 
20.2 Recall to Order 
The meeting was recalled to order at 1:00 p.m. 
20.3 Rise and Report 
Chair Maude will rise and report at the next regularly scheduled business meeting. 
21. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 1:00 pm. 
 
 
 
_________________________ 
David Maude, Chair 
Certified Correct: 
 
_________________________ 
Lisa Millard, Meeting Administrator/Recorder