Islands Trust Council community information meeting, December 8, 2025

[0:00:04] Voice 11: okay you're good to go good morning everyone i call to order this regular meeting of the

[0:00:11] Voice 11: liskiti island local trust committee of december 8th 2025 and uh i'm trusting you're all safe and

[0:00:19] Voice 11: warm in this sort of dreary fall weather but it's not snowing here yet so that's it's kind of nice

[0:00:26] Voice 11: start to december i'd like to begin this morning by acknowledging as we always do with respect and

[0:00:32] Voice 11: humility that the lands and waters of the Islands Trust area have been home to Indigenous peoples

[0:00:38] Voice 11: since time immemorial. In particular, on Hoyete, Laskedia Island, we respectfully acknowledge

[0:00:45] Voice 11: we are working in the territories of the Stana'as First Nation, Comox, Qualicum First Nation,

[0:00:52] Voice 11: and the Treaty Territory of the Tla'amen Nation. Their deep connection to these islands continues

[0:00:58] Voice 11: continues to this day. We honor their enduring presence, constitutional rights, and responsibilities.

[0:01:06] Voice 11: Please be aware that we are live streaming this meeting and that a recording of the meeting will

[0:01:11] Voice 11: be posted on the Islands Trust website in a few days. In the interest of maintaining order and

[0:01:17] Voice 11: decorum, members of the public are requested to notify the chair if they are making a personal

[0:01:23] Voice 11: audio or video recording of this meeting. And my name is Toby Elliott. I'm elected here in

[0:01:32] Voice 11: the name of First Nation Territory on Gabriela Island, and I am chair of this local trust

[0:01:38] Voice 11: committee. I'm joined by trustee Mikayla Lebroni and trustee Tim Peterson, and together we are

[0:01:44] Voice 11: your local trust committee. Would either of you like to say a few words before we introduce staff

[0:01:50] Voice 11: and go into the rest of the oh okay so staff joining us electronically today are our meeting

[0:01:59] Voice 11: administrator and facilitator lisa millard also taking minutes regional planning manager renee

[0:02:05] Voice 11: jamarat i have not seen online yet um but it's in the background generally for support

[0:02:10] Voice 11: and uh island planner steven baugh thank you for joining us this meeting is an official forum for

[0:02:18] Voice 11: your local trust committee to make decisions about land use planning matters and discuss

[0:02:22] Voice 11: relevant business. This is also a place of employment where staff have the right to a

[0:02:27] Voice 11: safe and respectful workplace. As chair, my responsibility, which is shared with the local

[0:02:33] Voice 11: trustees, is to ensure that this meeting is a respectful, inclusive, and culturally safe space

[0:02:40] Voice 11: for everyone. There are times assigned on this agenda when the public can speak to an issue,

[0:02:46] Voice 11: and today we have a town hall as per usual. We'll be following the meeting procedures bylaw

[0:02:52] Voice 11: adopted by Trust Council bylaw 197 for the procedures of that town hall and before we go

[0:03:01] Voice 11: into it I will again remind us of our commitments to a respectful, inclusive and culturally safe

[0:03:07] Voice 11: space for everyone. So with that we will go to approval of the agenda. Are there any changes

[0:03:16] Voice 11: changes or amendments to the agenda. Okay, noting none, I'll take it by general consent that the

[0:03:24] Voice 11: agenda be adopted, approved. Where's my mouse? And we'll move into reports. Which of the trustees

[0:03:32] Voice 11: would like to start with a local report? Trustee Leroni?

[0:03:39] Voice 9: I'll start pretty quick. You can hear me

[0:03:41] Voice 9: all right it's

[0:03:44] Voice 11: a little fuzzy but I can it's okay okay that's better so

[0:03:51] Voice 9: I'm just um I'm checking in

[0:03:53] Voice 9: here from the territories of the Musqueam Squamish and Tsleil-Waututh people and um don't have a lot

[0:04:01] Voice 9: to report just um we just had adopted a draft budget we're all just coming from the trust

[0:04:06] Voice 9: council so I think we're all a bit like that was a long meeting but um yeah I guess just

[0:04:14] Voice 9: And the budget meeting was a delicate balance between meeting everyone's needs and keeping the increased budget low and also having enough money to make anything actually happen during the fiscal year.

[0:04:25] Voice 9: I was trying to balance the visions for everybody, trying to balance the visions for their local trust area, but it all adds up.

[0:04:32] Voice 9: So having that draft budget done, I think, takes a bit of a weight off.

[0:04:36] Voice 9: And I'm looking forward to this hopefully less contentious meeting.

[0:04:42] Voice 12: Not that it was contentious, but a little more relaxed.

[0:04:47] Voice 12: Thank you, Trustee Leroni.

[0:04:49] Voice 11: Trustee Peterson.

[0:04:51] Voice 21: Well, thank you, Chair.

[0:04:52] Voice 4: Good morning, everyone.

[0:04:53] Voice 4: I just want to apologize in advance.

[0:04:55] Voice 4: I've got a little bit to report on here, a bit more than usual.

[0:04:59] Voice 4: I just wanted to note that following our October meeting, I attended a couple of discussions

[0:05:05] Voice 4: at Community Hall around the draft policy statement, one on October 19th and an additional

[0:05:12] Voice 4: one on November 23rd.

[0:05:15] Voice 4: um one of the more interesting um suggestions was to change uh the part uh in the preamble

[0:05:25] Voice 4: that says the policy statement may establish different policies for different parts of the

[0:05:30] Voice 4: trust area to must uh on doing a little bit of research i discovered that that uh that may is in

[0:05:38] Voice 4: the section 15 2b of the islands trust act so of course trust council cannot unilaterally change

[0:05:45] Voice 4: change that being provincial legislation further to that and in response to some of the questions

[0:05:52] Voice 4: that I heard from those meetings about establishing different policies for different parts of the

[0:05:59] Voice 4: trust area advised by staff that if Trust Council wanted to pursue sub-regional or local trust area

[0:06:08] Voice 4: approach to some of the policies in the statement it would have made more sense to do so at the

[0:06:14] Voice 4: beginning of the project, then partway in the stream, but something to keep in mind for future.

[0:06:21] Voice 4: Another answer to another question, it was asked whether local trustees can

[0:06:29] Voice 4: read the survey responses and staff have advised that they should be able to organize them by local

[0:06:38] Voice 4: trust area and provide them as requested. And then finally, there was questions raised about

[0:06:48] Voice 4: consultation with First Nations. We know that duty to consult is held by the Crown,

[0:06:53] Voice 4: the province in this case. And I just wanted to mention that despite the duty to consult being

[0:07:00] Voice 4: held by the Crown, the minister who, the ministry that approves our bylaws did write to Trust

[0:07:09] Voice 4: Council in April of this year, and just saying in part, we'll need Trust Council to take particular

[0:07:15] Voice 4: care to ensure that engagement with the public and First Nations on bylaws put before me for

[0:07:21] Voice 4: approval, including amendments to official community plans and the Trust's policy statement

[0:07:26] Voice 4: are undertaken in a manner that demonstrates mutual respect and builds towards consensus.

[0:07:32] Voice 4: So despite the duty to consult belonging to the Crown, the province has indicated quite

[0:07:38] Voice 4: it's quite clearly that Islands Trust must engage with First Nations on our bylaws and the policy

[0:07:45] Voice 4: statement. Trust Council last week, we spent the bulk of our time on the first draft of the 2026-27

[0:07:52] Voice 4: budget. We also adopted the recommendation of the Chief Administration Officer's operational report,

[0:08:00] Voice 4: which I think is an interesting snapshot of some of the challenges Islands Trust grapples with.

[0:08:05] Voice 4: At the conclusion of the budget debate, we had managed to wrangle down the proposed increase by about 2%, but the current proposed increase is still an uncomfortable double-digit number.

[0:08:20] Voice 4: I think it's worth noting that next fall's election costs have been estimated at around $227,000, which represents nearly 2.3% of the current proposed tax increase.

[0:08:36] Voice 4: But, of course, we cannot get out of those particular expenses.

[0:08:39] Voice 4: further to that financial planning committee will be meeting in january and then again in

[0:08:44] Voice 4: february to look for additional ways to pare down the tax proposed tax increase

[0:08:51] Voice 4: and this year we're going to be holding a committee of the whole meeting in february as well

[0:08:56] Voice 4: so that trust council will get another opportunity to discuss and debate budget preparatory to the

[0:09:02] Voice 4: final deliberations at the march trust council meeting and finally i want to acknowledge that

[0:09:08] Voice 4: I've heard from members of the public that they strongly prefer in-person meetings and that many

[0:09:12] Voice 4: have challenges participating electronically. But I do want to share that I've been working

[0:09:17] Voice 4: with the Liskiti Community Association to explore options for reliable internet access at the

[0:09:23] Voice 4: community hall and hope that we can return to in-person meetings that are accessible to all.

[0:09:29] Voice 4: To be clear, I am not confident that this is going to be sorted out in time for our February meeting,

[0:09:34] Voice 4: but I am hopeful that we might have it sorted out in time for the April meeting.

[0:09:39] Voice 4: And that concludes my report. Thank you for your indulgence.

[0:09:44] Voice 11: Thank you, Trustee Peterson. That was very informative. I appreciate that.

[0:09:48] Voice 11: Could you just restate for the record the dates that the community held some meetings on the policy statement?

[0:09:58] Voice 11: Was that October?

[0:10:02] Voice 5: Sorry, I just closed my document, but I believe it was October.

[0:10:12] Voice 5: October 19th and November 23rd.

[0:10:18] Voice 11: So in the feedback that you heard, would you be able to give some notes to both of us so that we could have sort of a record of the conversation?

[0:10:29] Voice 11: And thank you for following up on those areas of research about regional representation and must versus may.

[0:10:36] Voice 11: That's really helpful.

[0:10:39] Voice 5: Certainly.

[0:10:39] Voice 4: My notes are nowhere near comprehensive, but I know that there was someone taking better notes, and I'll wrangle those up and get them out to you both.

[0:10:48] Voice 11: Great. Okay. And thank you again for following up about internet access at the community hall. That'll be really helpful.

[0:10:55] Voice 11: Okay, so for my chair's report, I'll just, I won't repeat anything about Trust Council, except the operational review, I think it really is important for constituents in the trust area to read that.

[0:11:17] Voice 11: It's the first, I would say, objective look from a management perspective that considers all of the challenges and limitations, organizational limitations, I would say, that we've been experiencing but not really able to articulate in achieving the mandate of the trust.

[0:11:40] Voice 11: So the two key areas that our CAO highlighted were capacity, which is linked to staff retention, and capacity, meaning we often have more, quite often have more work than assigned to staff than is usually able to be achieved.

[0:12:01] Voice 11: And so we're not meeting our obligations and sort of stated timelines.

[0:12:05] Voice 11: So that's sort of a, that's always been a struggle.

[0:12:08] Voice 11: And the other is meeting our obligations and commitments to reconciliation towards engaging with all First Nations on the projects and potential policy changes that affect their interests.

[0:12:28] Voice 11: So the two key staff positions that the CAO had recommended and council subsequently agreed with and are going to be incorporated in the next budget are a manager of Indigenous relations and an engagement and communications person more at the manager level to support, especially community to organizational communications.

[0:12:54] Voice 11: I think that's an area that we've heard demonstrated across the trust area has been lacking. So I really thank the CAO for his keen, thoughtful, and very insightful analysis. And I was very thankful that Trust Council accepted and voted to advance all nine recommendations.

[0:13:19] Voice 11: recommendations i it wasn't i think there was one vote opposed it was pretty much um consensus so

[0:13:29] Voice 11: it was helpful um we also had a presentation by the ceo of island coastal economic trust

[0:13:36] Voice 11: um that was really informative to learn how another trust incidentally there are three in the

[0:13:43] Voice 11: in the province is undertaking a collaborative engagement process um with first nations so we

[0:13:51] Voice 11: learned a lot from that and i think it's going to inform perhaps the development of a five-year

[0:13:57] Voice 11: strategy uh at islands trust to towards how can we um prepare for governance that includes

[0:14:06] Voice 11: in franchises and supports the voices of indigenous governing bodies in these territories

[0:14:12] Voice 11: territories. One resolution during the budget debates was to request that the Islands Trust

[0:14:21] Voice 11: Conservancy take another look at its budget requests in light of the approval of all nine

[0:14:28] Voice 11: of the CAO's recommendations in the operational review and consider whether there needs to be

[0:14:33] Voice 11: any changes. I sit on the board of the Conservancy, so we'll be having a discussion at that table.

[0:14:37] Voice 11: um i will note that the conservancy has always been extremely frugal and i would say efficient

[0:14:45] Voice 11: to the point of um well we use every single dollar very very efficiently so i don't know if there's

[0:14:54] Voice 11: going to be any wiggle room but um there are some considerable areas that i think we

[0:15:01] Voice 11: need to look at

[0:15:02] Voice 11: it collectively again in light of the operational review and consider whether it all needs to be

[0:15:09] Voice 11: advanced. And then there was a really good discussion on Thursday. It was our trans-border

[0:15:15] Voice 11: annual meeting with San Juan County council members and trust council. We spent about an

[0:15:21] Voice 11: hour and a half debating various issues in common. Ferry woes were prominent among us and

[0:15:29] Voice 11: um the ferry from sanich to the san juans has been out of service for a number of years and

[0:15:37] Voice 11: i think is scheduled to maybe come back online in 2030 but they don't think very that's very likely

[0:15:44] Voice 11: uh they were very interested to learn of our ferry dependent communities uh meeting having

[0:15:51] Voice 11: come together called by bowen island municipal mayor andrew leonard and to discuss sort of a

[0:15:58] Voice 11: a common call to action for our ferry service and similarly they have developed um or an idea is

[0:16:07] Voice 11: coming to fruit about a ferry caucus for the San Juans and so they're looking to us and I think

[0:16:14] Voice 11: there's going to be a working group of some interested trustees with um one or two of their

[0:16:20] Voice 11: council members to discuss how to advance um a collective voice for ferry services and we also

[0:16:27] Voice 11: spoke about oil spill responses and mitigation and some of the challenges there. I think there's

[0:16:34] Voice 11: a lot of learning and work to be done. So I don't think we didn't agree on a working group so far,

[0:16:41] Voice 11: but sharing information between Canada and the US about different approaches. And there's some

[0:16:48] Voice 11: research being done in Canada about to support oil spill mitigation response and and I think

[0:16:58] Voice 11: yeah the the research is not yet the reports aren't yet out but we'll be following that

[0:17:04] Voice 11: to see if that can help and I know that Trustee Peterson's been attending the Ocean Protections

[0:17:09] Voice 11: Plan updates which has included some recent material on that so thanks for keeping us up

[0:17:17] Voice 11: to date on that and anything else i think that's it for my chair's report director fall turn to you

[0:17:28] Voice 11: for your electoral area report good to see you

[0:17:32] Voice 15: here chair thank you um i'll report on a couple

[0:17:36] Voice 15: items one is uh in october we received an updated community wildfire resiliency plan so we had hired

[0:17:44] Voice 15: a consultant to update that plan um over the whole regional district and they did a lot of

[0:17:49] Voice 15: different really good assessments to look at risk and uh you know fire smart and actions and you

[0:17:56] Voice 15: know pair you know the the executive summary had a few really good high level elements which is that

[0:18:02] Voice 15: wildfires becoming increasingly prevalent across bc that's basically the data i'm actually working

[0:18:08] Voice 15: on wildfire in my regular job and uh smithers last week talking about that and there's really clear

[0:18:14] Voice 15: increases in wildfire activity and that's increasing threats to communities this this

[0:18:19] Voice 15: wildfire resiliency plan looked at focused on what's called the wildland urban interface which

[0:18:24] Voice 15: is not really urban but it's areas where forest is near a certain number of structures that when

[0:18:30] Voice 15: you have a certain density of structures four or five structures then you have a buffer around that

[0:18:35] Voice 15: and most of liskiti is within that so even though it's a low density landscape there's you know

[0:18:42] Voice 15: enough structures enough houses on the landscape that you know more than half or three quarters of

[0:18:47] Voice 15: luskete and i think that would be the case for most of the gulf islands so i think that risk

[0:18:51] Voice 15: you know the the area of urban the area people living in close proximity to forest is high but

[0:18:57] Voice 15: there are that you know this kind of increase in wildfire threat or risk uh is balanced by

[0:19:02] Voice 15: you know some other identified issues that they reported on one is that you know through their

[0:19:08] Voice 15: their discussions with people, they stated that the public perception of wildfire risk is

[0:19:14] Voice 15: misaligned with the actual threat level. People often overstate the risk because of the landscape

[0:19:19] Voice 15: we're in. We're not northern BC, we're not the sub-Boreal forest or the Boreal forest. And that

[0:19:25] Voice 15: may lead to misalignment between expectations and challenges and how do you prioritize risk. So,

[0:19:30] Voice 15: they had some very specific recommendations on what things people can do.

[0:19:36] Voice 15: but you know to balance that or on the other side of the coin they also stated the islands

[0:19:41] Voice 15: within the qrd and i'd say islands in the honest trust area to pose unique risk so we have elevated

[0:19:47] Voice 15: risks on island because of vulnerability such as you know limited or more limited firefighting

[0:19:54] Voice 15: and emergency service personnel we have our fire department and that's it we don't we you know we

[0:19:58] Voice 15: can't get help from other fire departments in a reasonable way limited evacuation potential

[0:20:03] Voice 15: potential uh and and and water access so these are kinds of elevated risks the forest itself is

[0:20:09] Voice 15: lower risk than people may think but the ability to deal with it is higher and the number the you

[0:20:15] Voice 15: know the the real key thing is what can we do and the number one thing people can do is is get a

[0:20:21] Voice 15: fire smart assessment we we have fire smart coordinators on the island people can get

[0:20:25] Voice 15: assessments for free dealing you know the highest risk is within close proximity to your house

[0:20:30] Voice 15: So, you know, that's the way people can take the most effort to reduce fire spreading to their house and from their houses.

[0:20:38] Voice 15: So I'll leave it there. The report's quite comprehensive. I find it quite fascinating, but that's because it's close to my work.

[0:20:45] Voice 15: The QRD also renewed its community wood smoke reduction program grant, which is open to people who want to replace their wood stoves with cleaner appliances so they can get some support grant to help them do that.

[0:20:58] Voice 15: That it's a little bit challenging on Laskete because, you know, replacement means usually with other wood appliance.

[0:21:04] Voice 15: But I think there are there is an opening and opportunity for replacing less clean wood stoves, older wood stoves with newer ones and getting a bit of help.

[0:21:13] Voice 15: We also in October and in November, we've been discussing community works fund policy or use of the money for a long time.

[0:21:21] Voice 15: So Islanders Trust doesn't get community works fund, I don't believe, but every municipality and every regional district in the province gets funding based on population and a base amount.

[0:21:32] Voice 15: And regional districts get it primarily for the rural populations because every municipality gets their own pot of money.

[0:21:39] Voice 15: So there's been a lot of, but there's no, sorry, there's been, there's no real strings attached to say that the money must be spent in rural areas, even though it's clearly the intent from the way it's allocated.

[0:21:49] Voice 15: allocated the amount we get for the qrd is over 400 000 a year so it's non-trivial amount the

[0:21:54] Voice 15: amount that is would be allocated because of liskiti's population is between 30 000 and 38

[0:22:00] Voice 15: 000 depending on how you calculate this base amount you know there's a base amount plus a

[0:22:04] Voice 15: per population so it's kind of a lot of room and then for discussion and also where it gets spent

[0:22:10] Voice 15: so you know the debates or discussion or conflicts over spending it more in rural areas versus over

[0:22:16] Voice 15: the whole regional district and areas that benefit the municipalities and so on so that's

[0:22:20] Voice 15: a big debate we've been having and we we came up with a policy and agreed on it last month on how

[0:22:26] Voice 15: to allocate it and it was something you know i'd looked into we our staff had reviewed what other

[0:22:31] Voice 15: regional districts did and we had a lot of discussion and then a couple policy options

[0:22:36] Voice 15: got put forward we hammered it out and we got a better way to do it which is beneficial to

[0:22:40] Voice 15: the Laskiti. It's kind of this, the one extreme is that you take that money and you say the 30,000

[0:22:45] Voice 15: or 38,000 for Laskiti, that's only for Laskiti and you can't, you split it. But that really limits

[0:22:50] Voice 15: our ability to leverage. Or if you make it too general, then you maybe have risk that it gets

[0:22:55] Voice 15: overspent in some areas. So we've got this balance and going forward, we've already allocated and we

[0:23:01] Voice 15: will benefit significantly on Laskiti with $300,000 to help with a replacement used fire

[0:23:06] Voice 15: fire truck. It'd be nice to get a new one, but used as all we can afford, but 300,000 that is

[0:23:12] Voice 15: allocated from community works fund matching or balancing with our some money from reserves. So

[0:23:16] Voice 15: we'll be able to get new equipment. And that's this leveraging I'm talking about that if you

[0:23:19] Voice 15: had to only be stuck with the 30,000, then you'd have to save that up as opposed to being able to

[0:23:25] Voice 15: kind of have a targets and ups and downs and balance out over time. That's, that's the kind

[0:23:31] Voice 15: of policy, a bit more of a softer target based approach. And I think it'll work. We, we, I'm

[0:23:36] Voice 15: hopeful uh our financial that that's the main big things that our financial planning process

[0:23:40] Voice 15: is starting this week so i won't have any specific numbers on what tax increases will be the early

[0:23:45] Voice 15: numbers are always very preliminary so um you know you can't pay much attention to what the

[0:23:50] Voice 15: percentages are is really getting into the the details of what uh what surpluses are and what

[0:23:56] Voice 15: new new expenditures are and so on so that's starting and there'll be more on that coming up

[0:24:01] Voice 15: in after christmas and and i'll just end with a couple comments on previous reports the capacity

[0:24:06] Voice 15: challenges that the chair mentioned are exactly the same at the regional district we we have more

[0:24:12] Voice 15: with more demands on staff than we want and the only way to deal with it is to either reduce our

[0:24:18] Voice 15: expectations of what we do and keep that in line or hire more staff and have the the the tax

[0:24:22] Voice 15: implications of that because staff members are expensive and long-term obligations so how do we

[0:24:27] Voice 15: we balance that and and if you if you you know if you pressure put too much pressure on staff well

[0:24:32] Voice 15: then they leave and then you know you have a hard time recruiting and filling positions and

[0:24:36] Voice 15: it's a challenge uh challenging environment so you got to kind of balance that keep the uh the

[0:24:41] Voice 15: workload at the right level that people aren't overstressed and you know dial in those expectations

[0:24:47] Voice 15: and try to deal with it and it's kind of prioritizing it's really about prioritizing

[0:24:52] Voice 15: and deciding what's more important to getting certain work done and having higher taxes for

[0:24:58] Voice 15: covering the staff and recruiting them if you can or going a bit slower and focusing on what's most

[0:25:03] Voice 15: important and the last item is the internet at the community hall i just want to add to what

[0:25:07] Voice 15: truck seat peterson said internet at the hall wouldn't just benefit the ability to have public

[0:25:13] Voice 15: meetings it's it's really actually an issue also related to our fire department we have many

[0:25:17] Voice 15: events there and when you know when you have a you know a big event and uh the fire not all

[0:25:24] Voice 15: fire departments on on call can even show up because they have pagers and if they can't you

[0:25:29] Voice 15: know and if they can't get communications through the internet they it's a risk situation so they

[0:25:35] Voice 15: members respond to that by not all going and that's kind of a limitation if we if we had better

[0:25:41] Voice 15: internet at the hall that would improve the ability for call outs during uh during community

[0:25:46] Voice 15: events so i think that's uh there's benefit there's multiple benefits uh if it's possible

[0:25:51] Voice 15: it's in a is a in a kind of blind spot so it's a challenge i live right next door to the hall so

[0:25:56] Voice 15: it's a i know what that is and it's it's a it would be really great though i think it would be

[0:26:01] Voice 15: a ability to to make better use of that big space and with that i'll close thank you chair

[0:26:08] Voice 11: thank you director fall um and yeah that's great to hear that there would be uh of course additional

[0:26:15] Voice 11: additional benefits for the community and for emergency services if the community hall is

[0:26:19] Voice 11: equipped with internet capability looking forward to hearing about that uh trustee peterson it just

[0:26:26] Voice 11: occurred to me um did you want to share a little bit about the potential resolution you and director

[0:26:31] Voice 11: fall i've been working on i don't know if that's of interest to the community but um sure

[0:26:39] Voice 4: um uh so

[0:26:41] Voice 4: So briefly, Director Fall and I have been looking at

[0:26:45] Voice 4: and we're working towards putting together a resolution

[0:26:48] Voice 4: for the Spring Association of Vancouver Island

[0:26:53] Voice 4: and Coastal Communities Convention.

[0:26:57] Voice 4: And the thrust of the resolution would be to request

[0:27:02] Voice 4: that the federal government essentially desist

[0:27:06] Voice 4: from threatening to divest our dock at False Bay.

[0:27:11] Voice 4: which, of course, everyone on Laskete knows is essential in so many ways to the island.

[0:27:18] Voice 4: I won't wax poetic about it, but we all know.

[0:27:22] Voice 4: There's also, it looks like we're going to have some collaboration with fellow trustee Stanford,

[0:27:28] Voice 4: who's also a regional director in her area.

[0:27:32] Voice 4: So it may be coming from two regional districts and Islands Trust as well,

[0:27:38] Voice 4: But really, essentially, to get the federal government to stop threatening and give us some surety that our dock is going to stay.

[0:27:51] Voice 11: That's great. Anything to add on that, Director Full?

[0:27:54] Voice 15: No, the only thing I would add is the process. So just for the listening public.

[0:27:59] Voice 15: So, you know, ideally, there's a resolution that goes to the Association of Vancouver Island Coastal Communities within their time frame.

[0:28:06] Voice 15: And I think it's February sometime. But that, you know, seems far off, but it's not that far off. So if we work, if we can work on something jointly, the more likely it is to get, you know, reception at AVICC where all members who are attending local government reps can vote on it.

[0:28:24] Voice 15: And so for my part on the regional district, I'm going to be basically making a notice of motion this week, basically telling the rest of the board that I'm going to bring something forward.

[0:28:35] Voice 15: Then they have a heads up. And then in January, then when we're really talking about what potential resolutions there will be, the regional district can chew on it.

[0:28:44] Voice 15: By then, we'll have the final wording. We've got draft wording, but the final wording will be put out and the public can see what that is.

[0:28:50] Voice 15: as Mr. Trustee Peterson more or less covered the essence of it.

[0:28:53] Voice 15: But the specific wording can be shared with the public.

[0:28:56] Voice 15: And then that'll be forwarded to the AVICC

[0:29:00] Voice 15: and then goes through their process of what they recommend

[0:29:03] Voice 15: and how it ends up on the agenda and so on.

[0:29:06] Voice 15: So it would be going from the regional district sometime in January.

[0:29:09] Voice 15: And the Islands Trust has its own process.

[0:29:13] Voice 15: So ideally, they line up.

[0:29:14] Voice 15: The wording doesn't have to be identical.

[0:29:16] Voice 15: That's the other part.

[0:29:17] Voice 15: because as the processes goes maybe there's some slight changes over time we the if it's identical

[0:29:22] Voice 15: that's great but if if one government decides to change some of the words that's okay too

[0:29:27] Voice 15: i think it's the essence of it just

[0:29:31] Voice 4: to add briefly add to the process piece um uh i have uh let

[0:29:38] Voice 4: executive committee know that this was coming and uh at our december 17th uh meeting we'll have a

[0:29:45] Voice 4: a request for decision to see if executive committee wants to assign some staff resources

[0:29:52] Voice 4: to putting together a resolution and submitting that on behalf of islands trust great well

[0:30:00] Voice 11: It's really good to see you two working together, and hopefully we can put forward a joint resolution that supports all the communities who need to see their docs supported federally and not by local community taxpayer dollars.

[0:30:14] Voice 11: So thanks for that work.

[0:30:16] Voice 11: Great.

[0:30:17] Voice 11: Well, that concludes our report section.

[0:30:20] Voice 11: We'll now move into our town hall, which is the opportunity for the public to participate and speak to your local trust committee.

[0:30:27] Voice 11: um so we do want to hear your questions and comments at this time later in the agenda we'll

[0:30:33] Voice 11: be discussing various topics and making decisions and so your questions and comments are valued and

[0:30:38] Voice 11: help us to make good decisions we don't have any applications today but if we did applicants would

[0:30:44] Voice 11: have the opportunity to speak when we consider their applications i just want to read through

[0:30:50] Voice 11: a couple of the meeting procedure elements of the of a trust council bylaw number 197

[0:30:57] Voice 11: which sets out in sections 40 to 44 the rules for public participation just for everyone's

[0:31:03] Voice 11: information so the public participation period is limited to 15 minutes in duration and it may

[0:31:09] Voice 11: be scheduled for each regular meeting of a local trust committee and may be extended by majority

[0:31:13] Voice 11: vote of the local trust committee members present so at 15 minutes i will pause and ask for

[0:31:19] Voice 11: for a vote if we need to continue. A member of the public may have three minutes to address a

[0:31:26] Voice 11: local trust committee during the public participation period unless extended by

[0:31:30] Voice 11: unanimous vote of the local trust committee members present. I have a timer which I

[0:31:37] Voice 11: use during trust council. Sometimes people don't pay attention to it, but I will ask everyone to

[0:31:42] Voice 11: keep to the three minutes so that we can get through everyone's questions and comments.

[0:31:47] Voice 11: A person's wishing to address a local trust committee must state their first and last name and topic involved. Subjects must relate strictly to matters under the jurisdiction of a local trust committee, but other subjects may be permitted by majority vote of the local trust committee. Subjects must be brief and to the point.

[0:32:08] Voice 11: So as chair, my responsibility shared with the local trustees is to ensure this meeting is a respectful, inclusive and culturally safe space for everyone.

[0:32:18] Voice 11: Under Section 34, 35 rather, the chair is to preserve order at every meeting and has the power to make such rulings as are necessary to do so, including the power to rule on all points of order and may deny any individual or a delegation the right to address a meeting.

[0:32:32] Voice 11: if, in the chair's opinion, the individual or the delegation makes defamatory remarks about any

[0:32:38] Voice 11: person or speaks disrespectfully of any person, addresses issues not contained within the written

[0:32:43] Voice 11: application of the individual or delegation as prescribed in Sections 25 and 42, or immoderately

[0:32:49] Voice 11: raises their voice or uses profane, vulgar, or offensive language, gestures, or signs.

[0:32:55] Voice 11: So that's my responsibility, and I'd ask my fellow trustees to help keep this. But in addition,

[0:33:03] Voice 11: we want to maintain a culturally safe space and this is a direction that Islands Trust has been

[0:33:09] Voice 11: moving towards as we seek to engage with Indigenous governing bodies and Indigenous

[0:33:18] Voice 11: peoples in our meetings that it means we will speak respectfully. This is not the place for

[0:33:24] Voice 11: racism, stereotypes, stereotypes or comments that target Indigenous peoples or any group

[0:33:30] Voice 11: in our community. We acknowledge concerns and questions without causing harm. It's totally

[0:33:36] Voice 11: valid for residents to seek clarity and to express uncertainty, and it's equally valid

[0:33:41] Voice 11: for Indigenous community members to speak to their experiences and their expectations

[0:33:45] Voice 11: of respectful partnership. We will uphold cultural safety. What does that mean? Well,

[0:33:52] Voice 11: we recognize that public meetings have not always been safe or welcoming places for Indigenous

[0:33:57] Voice 11: Indigenous peoples. So this includes giving space for Indigenous voices, being mindful of how

[0:34:03] Voice 11: language affects people, and addressing harmful comments if they arise. And finally, we will keep

[0:34:10] Voice 11: this conversation constructive. Every participant brings valuable opinions, ideas, knowledge,

[0:34:16] Voice 11: and lived experience. All voices deserve to be heard. So again, I just ask you to keep your

[0:34:23] Voice 11: comments to the three-minute mark so that everyone can have an opportunity to participate we ask that

[0:34:29] Voice 11: you direct your comments to the ltc and not to other community members or staff speak about the

[0:34:35] Voice 11: issues not other individuals be clear concise and respectful and so if anybody would like to address

[0:34:44] Voice 11: the local trust committee please raise your hand using the raise hand function in below and our

[0:34:52] Voice 11: our meeting facilitator will promote you to speaker.

[0:35:09] Voice 12: Was that a raised hand?

[0:35:09] Voice 12: You're muted.

[0:35:10] Voice 11: Oh, was that a raised hand, Trustee Peterson?

[0:35:13] Voice 4: Yeah, I just wanted to add for folks

[0:35:15] Voice 4: who might not be familiar with the Zoom raise hand function,

[0:35:19] Voice 4: depending on which platform, they do change.

[0:35:22] Voice 4: Sometimes it's a raise hand at the bottom of the screen,

[0:35:25] Voice 4: other time is a react,

[0:35:27] Voice 4: and you have to click on the react button

[0:35:29] Voice 4: and then you will see the raised hand,

[0:35:31] Voice 4: just in case anyone's having trouble with that.

[0:35:33] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:35:35] Voice 11: Staff Millard.

[0:35:38] Voice 6: Thank you, Chair Elliott. I'll promote one person at a time to speaker. The attendee named Lynn had their hand up first, and they are in the webinar and able to speak when you say so.

[0:35:55] Voice 11: Go ahead, Lynn. Hello. You might need to unmute yourself.

[0:36:07] Voice 16: Hi, did that work?

[0:36:09] Voice 16: Yes, it is. We can hear you.

[0:36:10] Voice 16: Hi. My name is Lynn Sprague, S-P-R-A-G-U-E. I'd like to speak about the Islands Trust Policy Statement Draft, which I've been helping out a couple of times with public meetings and trying to get information out there for people and questions asked.

[0:36:33] Voice 16: And I know that there's a lot of people out there who are really, really scared of this document and the impact and the future of what could happen to Liskiti based on this document.

[0:36:50] Voice 16: And even though we, you know, I helped out to have these public meetings, it wasn't very well attended. And it just seems that this is so important.

[0:37:04] Voice 16: important um also that the islands trust just seems to be sorry my dog wants to play in the

[0:37:13] Voice 16: background here um the islands trust seems to be very overwhelmed and spread so thin with all of

[0:37:19] Voice 16: the issues that you guys have and then you have that review that happened um and a lot of the

[0:37:26] Voice 16: recommendations in that review about you know it would be great for you to have more staff members

[0:37:32] Voice 16: I'm just wondering if you would consider answering some of the questions that people have in writing as opposed to us trying to meet together.

[0:37:47] Voice 16: And it could be a very lengthy list of questions, like, you know, 50, 60 questions long sort of thing.

[0:37:57] Voice 16: and whether or not Islands Trust would consider postponing

[0:38:03] Voice 16: that February 26th, 2026 deadline to some other date.

[0:38:09] Voice 16: I mean, we've had mail strikes, we've had union strikes,

[0:38:12] Voice 16: it's been brought up a few times.

[0:38:15] Voice 16: Just, I think it would really alleviate,

[0:38:18] Voice 16: and I know that that answer is not up to you guys,

[0:38:21] Voice 16: but if you could take it back to the people who be,

[0:38:25] Voice 16: You know, listening to the AGM the other day, I noticed that other people from other islands are also stressed by this timeline as well.

[0:38:34] Voice 16: And we're just hoping that maybe you could postpone it, alleviate some stress.

[0:38:41] Voice 16: Thank you. That's it.

[0:38:42] Voice 11: Thank you, Lynn.

[0:38:43] Voice 11: So if I could just encapsulate your two questions, whether staff could respond to if there were 50 or 60 questions answered.

[0:38:55] Voice 11: whether staff could respond to them in writing and whether this would be i guess up to trust

[0:39:03] Voice 11: council in march could consider postponing the deadline okay thank you yeah yep thank you thank

[0:39:11] Voice 11: your comments okay if we could promote oh trustee peterson go ahead yeah

[0:39:20] Voice 4: i just wanted to um

[0:39:21] Voice 4: briefly mention two things so far I think staff have been doing a really

[0:39:28] Voice 4: good job of trying to answer questions of written questions I would just direct

[0:39:34] Voice 4: that they're on the webpage there is a bit of Q&A so before you submit

[0:39:41] Voice 4: questions I just encourage you to go there and see if your questions already

[0:39:44] Voice 4: answered by any chance and then the other piece that you trust or touched on

[0:39:49] Voice 4: chair is that trust council would need to make the decision to postpone the um the closing of

[0:39:57] Voice 4: the public participation period time and because we don't have trust council doesn't have a meeting

[0:40:02] Voice 4: before then um i don't think it's maybe terribly realistic that that would happen

[0:40:08] Voice 11: and just noting

[0:40:12] Voice 11: for the public's information that we will continue to receive submissions and input

[0:40:17] Voice 11: The six-month period is the referral response period from agencies and formal bodies. Members of the public can continue to respond to the survey. I think the survey deadline ends later than February. I'll need to check the date on that. It is also February? Okay.

[0:40:40] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:40:41] Voice 11: All right, though. Yeah, thank you for that clarification. Now we'll turn to Carl. Hello, if you could please state your first and last name and the subject that you wish to address today.

[0:40:52] Voice 1: Okay. My name's Carl Darwin. There's two other people at this location that would like to speak.

[0:40:59] Voice 1: I would like to speak to the LTC's claims about the inadequacy of the JFC.

[0:41:08] Voice 1: It's kind of like a self-fulfilling plan because the way the trust committee sets up in the room,

[0:41:15] Voice 1: they take 40 percent of the room and they don't need to if they shifted their tables across the

[0:41:23] Voice 1: west end of the room there was much more room and the locals do not complain about having standing

[0:41:29] Voice 1: up a standing room only um the other question has been partly or comment um the the trust says the

[0:41:39] Voice 1: hall is out of the picture due to no internet well the response to the trust budget questionnaire was

[0:41:47] Voice 1: 80 percent no increase but the trust bureaucrats raised our taxes anyway so out of the millions

[0:41:53] Voice 1: they take they could easily purchase a portable satellite dish from elon musk and take it to the

[0:41:58] Voice 1: hall it could be a portable unit one of our trustees could buy it we have the most highly

[0:42:04] Voice 1: highly paid trustee around, and a satellite dish is a couple of hundred dollars.

[0:42:10] Voice 1: They make them for camping, campers.

[0:42:12] Voice 1: So, and he could take it home with him after the meeting.

[0:42:17] Voice 1: And one of the other comments that was made was that they couldn't have the meetings there

[0:42:23] Voice 1: because we were disrespectful to First Nations.

[0:42:26] Voice 1: Well, I must bring your attention back to the October meeting when Sam Cromerty,

[0:42:31] Voice 1: a Coast Salish person

[0:42:33] Voice 1: told the chair that the

[0:42:35] Voice 1: trust was using First Nations

[0:42:37] Voice 1: as a scapegoat to advance

[0:42:39] Voice 1: their mandate

[0:42:40] Voice 1: oh and I forgot to ask that I would like

[0:42:44] Voice 1: this as part of the minutes of the record

[0:42:46] Voice 1: in its entirety

[0:42:47] Voice 14: in

[0:42:48] Voice 1: its entirety

[0:42:49] Voice 1: so that

[0:42:52] Voice 1: is what I

[0:42:54] Voice 1: wanted now is the only reason

[0:42:56] Voice 1: you can't I mean I can understand

[0:42:58] Voice 1: that you're talking about

[0:43:00] Voice 1: wanting a satellite system well that's just a matter of throwing a skylink up there there is

[0:43:08] Voice 1: no service available any other way i took a years back with rob lynchoten i took a a signal

[0:43:18] Voice 1: accumulator down there and we checked everything and there is no possible way to do anything other

[0:43:25] Voice 1: other than Skylink or some sort of satellite dish there.

[0:43:29] Voice 1: All right, we checked everything.

[0:43:32] Voice 1: And so the only thing is there,

[0:43:34] Voice 1: so it's strictly a matter of throwing a few dollars at it.

[0:43:37] Voice 1: And if the community can put a satellite dish on that place

[0:43:41] Voice 1: in the next short while there,

[0:43:44] Voice 1: will the trust reconsider their notion

[0:43:47] Voice 1: of having public meetings on Luskete at the community hall?

[0:43:52] Voice 1: That is the question.

[0:43:53] Voice 1: Thank

[0:43:56] Voice 11: you for your comments, Mr. Darwin. As Trustee Peterson stated, they are working on all possible options to ensure that we can return to in-person meetings. That is the desire of the local trust committee, that we can have in-person meetings so that those who want to attend can attend safely without overfilling the venue.

[0:44:19] Voice 11: So definitely take your point that there doesn't seem to be the option for signal for traditional Wi-Fi.

[0:44:29] Voice 11: And if satellite system is required, I believe staff are exploring all options.

[0:44:33] Voice 11: So thank you for that. Anything to add to either the trustees?

[0:44:39] Voice 4: I just add that I'm aware that the Community Association is requesting that the regional district look at options.

[0:44:53] Voice 11: okay

[0:44:53] Voice 1: thank you thanks

[0:44:55] Voice 11: for that and um you say did you have two other members of the public yes yes

[0:44:59] Voice 1: we have gwen bigsby here

[0:45:00] Voice 11: okay yep dave

[0:45:03] Voice 8: you go ahead first so

[0:45:04] Voice 11: gwen if you could please state

[0:45:07] Voice 11: your name and the subject that you would like to um speak to local trust committee about

[0:45:12] Voice 11: okay

[0:45:14] Voice 20: yeah it's dave olsen and uh my first question is are you going to submit your response to the

[0:45:21] Voice 20: the policy statement referral today? It's not on the agenda? No.

[0:45:27] Voice 20: Okay. So next question is why

[0:45:30] Voice 20: didn't you change this meeting to virtual at your October meeting when you had a large audience in

[0:45:35] Voice 20: front of you?

[0:45:39] Voice 11: It was only subsequently decided that the meeting venue was insufficient and as

[0:45:48] Voice 11: those who were present were probably aware we ran out of time at the October meeting and could not

[0:45:55] Voice 11: add new business because we barely had the time to cover the business on the agenda next question

[0:46:01] Voice 20: is have you asked our community if we want wi-fi at the hall is that part of your process turn to

[0:46:09] Voice 11: one of the local trustees who are working on the matter um

[0:46:13] Voice 4: i just state that the community

[0:46:16] Voice 4: association is in charge of the hall um so whether or not to have internet at the hall as a decision

[0:46:22] Voice 4: of the Luskinni Community Association,

[0:46:25] Voice 4: not the local trust committee.

[0:46:27] Voice 20: Thank you.

[0:46:28] Voice 20: Have you talked to the school since October?

[0:46:31] Voice 20: They have every weekend and many Fridays available for meetings.

[0:46:37] Voice 11: As we've previously discussed,

[0:46:39] Voice 11: having staff attend on weekends or after school hours

[0:46:45] Voice 11: would be outside of regular business hours

[0:46:47] Voice 11: and would probably be unachievable in current budgeting.

[0:46:51] Voice 11: and we cannot compel union staff to work outside of regular business hours.

[0:47:01] Voice 11: They

[0:47:02] Voice 20: have many Fridays available.

[0:47:05] Voice 20: I believe that's within staff working hours.

[0:47:10] Voice 11: We can definitely explore other days and other locations,

[0:47:14] Voice 11: and that is being worked on by staff.

[0:47:16] Voice 11: Thank you.

[0:47:18] Voice 20: Chair Elliott, have you asked Vice Chair Maude or Chair Patrick

[0:47:23] Voice 20: to switch committees so that your safety concerns

[0:47:27] Voice 20: could not be affecting the entire population

[0:47:31] Voice 20: of Liskady?

[0:47:33] Voice 11: Chair assignments are set by the Chair of Trust Council

[0:47:36] Voice 11: and until the Chair of Trust Council changes those assignments

[0:47:40] Voice 11: I will continue in my duties as required.

[0:47:46] Voice 20: Because staff don't want to uphold the Islands

[0:47:50] Voice 20: Trust Act and allow islands to opt out of policies

[0:47:53] Voice 20: and the policy statement are the other two trustees also in favor of trustees

[0:47:58] Voice 20: Peterson decision to not pursue this option for the skating I'm

[0:48:06] Voice 11: not sure what

[0:48:06] Voice 11: your question is in reference to opting out of policies could you please clarify

[0:48:12] Voice 11: sure

[0:48:12] Voice 20: yeah in section 1.4 of the islands trust policy statement it refers to the

[0:48:18] Voice 20: islands trust Act which allows islands to opt out of policies in the policy

[0:48:23] Voice 20: statement. And Trustee Peterson, just at the beginning of this meeting, said that staff don't

[0:48:31] Voice 20: want to do that. And so my understanding is trustees direct staff. So I'm asking the other

[0:48:38] Voice 20: two trustees, are you in support of Trustee Peterson's decision to not pursue that for

[0:48:46] Voice 20: Liskety?

[0:48:47] Voice 11: Before you answer, Trustee Peterson, I think this would be a legal matter as it relates

[0:48:52] Voice 11: to the islands trust act and so it's not a matter of opinion for trustees to weigh in on

[0:48:56] Voice 11: what trustee peterson brought back was information about the applicability of the act and we would

[0:49:04] Voice 11: have to seek staff's advice on whether that changes an opt-in for local trust committees or

[0:49:11] Voice 11: not in regard to trust policy statement but i think we're out of time so i'm going to let um

[0:49:16] Voice 11: i see director marler in the background answered your question and if he has any advice we can come

[0:49:21] Voice 11: back to that and i'd like to turn to other members of the public trustee peterson if you have any

[0:49:27] Voice 11: points of clarification please go ahead they're not

[0:49:31] Voice 11: giving me a chance

[0:49:32] Voice 4: yeah just a point of

[0:49:33] Voice 4: clarification um the act does not state that um that local trust areas can opt out it says that

[0:49:41] Voice 4: trust council can make may make policies that only apply to certain areas so it's not a matter of

[0:49:47] Voice 4: opting out the policies would have to be written um excluding the areas to begin with thank

[0:49:55] Voice 11: you

[0:49:55] Voice 11: patsy peterson and yes there was a third speaker at your location um mr darwin

[0:50:05] Voice 8: when bigsby um and i would like my comment to be part of public record in its entirety

[0:50:14] Voice 8: Could you please state your name one more time and the subject?

[0:50:19] Voice 8: Sorry, I didn't realize I wasn't being heard.

[0:50:24] Voice 8: One big speak, and I would like my comment to be part of public record in its entirety.

[0:50:32] Voice 8: And I'm addressing it to Toby.

[0:50:35] Voice 8: We have been mistakenly accused of being hostile, and you have stated that you do not feel safe here.

[0:50:42] Voice 8: That is absolutely preposterous.

[0:50:45] Voice 8: You have proven repeatedly that you come to our Liskiti Trust meetings with your own agenda and bias.

[0:50:51] Voice 8: So quite

[0:50:52] Voice 4: frankly, I

[0:50:53] Voice 8: feel confident that you, as

[0:50:55] Voice 11: our Trust Chair...

[0:50:57] Voice 11: I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to interrupt you here.

[0:50:59] Voice 11: And we're going to return to our meeting procedure bylaw, which states that I may not allow any person or individual to make defamatory remarks about any person or speak disrespectfully of any person.

[0:51:16] Voice 11: And I'm sorry, but you cannot speak even about the chair.

[0:51:20] Voice 11: Chair, if you disagree with actions, you may state that respectfully.

[0:51:26] Voice 11: But making allegations about my intentions is not in order here.

[0:51:33] Voice 8: Well, I will then state that I remind everyone of Robert's rule number 43.29.

[0:51:41] Voice 8: If you'd like me to read it, I will.

[0:51:43] Voice 8: We believe that Robert's rules, if the presiding officer is a member of the society, he has, as an individual, the same rights in debate as any other member, but the impartiality required of the chair in an assembly precludes his exercising these rights whilst he is presiding.

[0:52:08] Voice 8: we believe it would be appropriate for you to ask to be reassigned to another island you do not like

[0:52:16] Voice 8: us and quite frankly we are not confident that you as our trust chair

[0:52:22] Voice 4: point of order

[0:52:23] Voice 4: situation

[0:52:23] Voice 8: please state your point of order i'm

[0:52:29] Voice 4: afraid the speaker is veering back into the

[0:52:32] Voice 4: personal and really should be sticking to um issues not not individuals i've finished

[0:52:38] Voice 8: thank you very much respectfully um staff

[0:52:43] Voice 11: do you have any comments here or advice yeah i just

[0:52:48] Voice 13: wanted to comment that um the meeting procedure by law overrules robert's rules robert's rules

[0:52:55] Voice 13: are a baseline so the meeting procedure by law has nothing in it then we go through

[0:52:59] Voice 13: to Robert's rules.

[0:53:01] Voice 13: And in this case, the meeting procedure bylaw

[0:53:03] Voice 13: definitely gives the chair the ability

[0:53:07] Voice 13: that the chair indicated.

[0:53:08] Voice 13: Thank you.

[0:53:11] Voice 11: Thank you, Director Marler.

[0:53:12] Voice 11: Would

[0:53:13] Voice 8: you like to continue?

[0:53:15] Voice 8: No, thank you very much.

[0:53:17] Voice 8: Respectfully, Gwen Bidsby.

[0:53:20] Voice 11: We'll take your comments back to the chair.

[0:53:22] Voice 11: Thank you for that.

[0:53:25] Voice 11: If there are any other speakers

[0:53:27] Voice 11: who wish to address the Local Trust Committee,

[0:53:29] Voice 11: please raise your hand.

[0:53:30] Voice 11: I see Peter Johnston.

[0:53:32] Voice 11: If you could unmute yourself, and please go ahead.

[0:53:36] Trustee Johnston: My name is Peter Johnston. I want to speak about two things.

[0:53:39] Trustee Johnston: The first is the, what's it called, it's on page 44 of the agenda package.

[0:53:47] Trustee Johnston: It's the public notification bylaw that you're considering,

[0:53:51] Trustee Johnston: And I'm surprised to find that on page 44, it says, under First Nations relations, there are no First Nations relations implications.

[0:54:06] Trustee Johnston: I find that quite astonishing because what the Trust Committee is doing and planning affects First Nations.

[0:54:13] Trustee Johnston: I realize that you have an obligation to conduct government-to-government relations, but you also have a responsibility to conduct government-to-individuals relationships, especially communities with an interest.

[0:54:29] Trustee Johnston: That includes us, the people who live here, who own property here, who have connections to Luskete, and it also includes First Nations people.

[0:54:39] Trustee Johnston: people. I think it has been a mistake for the Islands Trust to conduct its consultations with

[0:54:46] Trustee Johnston: First Nations people separately and independently without any leakage of anything that's done other

[0:54:53] Trustee Johnston: than at the end the conclusions and things you're going to do. I think it would be much healthier,

[0:55:00] Trustee Johnston: would have been much healthier, and I highly recommend that you change that and conduct those

[0:55:06] Trustee Johnston: as much as possible in a public way.

[0:55:09] Trustee Johnston: Let us know when you're going to have meetings.

[0:55:11] Trustee Johnston: Let us observe them.

[0:55:12] Trustee Johnston: Let us take part in them.

[0:55:14] Trustee Johnston: Keeping the two groups, ordinary Liskiti people

[0:55:18] Trustee Johnston: and First Nations with an interest in the area

[0:55:21] Trustee Johnston: completely separate is not helpful.

[0:55:27] Trustee Johnston: So that's it for that subject.

[0:55:30] Trustee Johnston: Can I go with another one right now?

[0:55:33] Voice 8: Please go ahead.

[0:55:34] Trustee Johnston: Okay.

[0:55:34] Trustee Johnston: I found, and I have not attended very many meetings since I was trustee.

[0:55:41] Trustee Johnston: I just, partly I'm old and tired and what I think isn't all that important.

[0:55:46] Trustee Johnston: I've had my kick at the can and my ability to direct a little bit and make decisions.

[0:55:54] Trustee Johnston: But I found your reading of the rules to be, oh, this is getting personal.

[0:56:01] Trustee Johnston: I don't mean, I found that, you know, reading of the rules about how we would, how you would conduct, how this session would be conducted, at least mildly offensive.

[0:56:13] Trustee Johnston: You know, the expectation is that people will not be friendly and not be cooperative and not state what they want to state in a way that's acceptable.

[0:56:21] Trustee Johnston: and I know that that people sometimes transgress but I found that that you know while you were

[0:56:27] Trustee Johnston: saying we had to limit ourselves to through three minutes I have no idea how long your reading of

[0:56:34] Trustee Johnston: all those rules took but I have the impression it was at least twice three minutes oh that's my time

[0:56:40] Trustee Johnston: up I'll shut up so that's enough for now thank you I

[0:56:44] Voice 11: do take your point Mr. Johnson that my

[0:56:46] Voice 11: My reading of the meeting procedure rules did take quite a long time.

[0:56:52] Voice 11: And in addition, our meeting commitments around cultural safety are new.

[0:57:01] Voice 11: And it's because of not just in this community, there's been some statements made in public meetings that are disrespectful to First Nations that have actually evidenced.

[0:57:15] Voice 11: and I'm speaking generally not about this community but they have caused some harm and

[0:57:24] Voice 11: so there is there is a need to set out the expectations and the commitments and to

[0:57:32] Voice 11: continually return to them we don't want to have a bunch of I think things have been very

[0:57:41] Voice 11: inconsistent and partly that may be my fault and so returning to what is written out in the

[0:57:48] Voice 11: meeting procedure bylaw 197 in terms of how the public can participate and the expectations of

[0:57:55] Voice 11: the local trust committee and what it can hear and the matters on which it can receive comment

[0:58:02] Voice 11: that just needed to be re-articulated so I apologize that it took extra time I just wanted

[0:58:09] Voice 11: to make sure that everybody was clear, but in no way do I think or expect that Laskiti acts in

[0:58:15] Voice 11: any different way. And I've always felt very welcomed and I'm sorry that you feel offended

[0:58:24] Voice 11: at the reading of the bylaws. Did you have any follow-up comments?

[0:58:27] Voice 11: Yes.

[0:58:30] Trustee Johnston: I think it's the expectation from saying that is that you'll get, and maybe I understand why you might feel this, that you'll get pushed.

[0:58:48] Trustee Johnston: pushed. I've not heard the term cultural safety very often, don't know exactly what it means.

[0:58:55] Trustee Johnston: And I've heard and read that you have fears for safety or concerns about safety. And some of that

[0:59:03] Trustee Johnston: is that people will burn to death in a fire because there's only one room, one doorway,

[0:59:08] Trustee Johnston: which there isn't, there's several out of the last resort meeting room. But the cultural safety,

[0:59:14] Trustee Johnston: uh i i think some of that at least is um not so much safety but comfort uh or uh and you know

[0:59:25] Trustee Johnston: there is some some uh people do speak beyond what's polite um people are in fact racist

[0:59:33] Trustee Johnston: uh less now uh both less racism and fewer racists now than there were 20 years ago or 40 or 50 years

[0:59:42] Trustee Johnston: years ago. But it still exists. And I think it's important that people get a chance to speak,

[0:59:47] Trustee Johnston: that they speak respectfully. And when they don't, they be called to modify their speech,

[0:59:54] Trustee Johnston: not bludgeoned. And it felt like a bludgeoning. Okay, thank you.

[1:00:00] Trustee Johnston: I'll retire now. Thank you.

[1:00:01] Trustee Johnston: I

[1:00:02] Voice 11: take your point, Mr. Johnston.

[1:00:05] Voice 11: And just noting that we have reached 15 minutes,

[1:00:10] Voice 11: we are going to pause and call for a vote

[1:00:14] Voice 11: on extending the public participation time.

[1:00:17] Voice 11: And just in reference to your questions about cultural safety,

[1:00:24] Voice 11: I guess I would just put forward the question,

[1:00:28] Voice 11: you are asking earlier Mr. Johnston if members of the public could be part of meetings with First

[1:00:37] Voice 11: Nations that we are holding on various engagement on OCP projects and so on and I think it is

[1:00:44] Voice 11: because of this concern for cultural safety and that there isn't quite the learning in place for

[1:00:50] Voice 11: how to ask questions respectfully hear from Indigenous people and let their experiences

[1:00:56] Voice 11: is stand for themselves and not be overwritten or corrected by our own narratives, that we're

[1:01:06] Voice 11: in a learning process here. So until there is a really strong sense that our meetings can be a

[1:01:14] Voice 11: culturally safe space for all, including Indigenous peoples, this is where we're at.

[1:01:20] Voice 11: And we're trying to make sure that this learning advances so that we can have these meetings

[1:01:24] Voice 11: needs together in a good way. So with that, I'll call for a vote on extending the town hall period

[1:01:31] Voice 11: by another 15 minutes. Is that a motion? Cherry,

[1:01:39] Voice 4: I was just going to check. I think we need a

[1:01:41] Voice 4: motion. So I'm happy to move that the local trust committee extend that town hall portion or period

[1:01:50] Voice 4: by 10 minutes.

[1:01:52] Voice 11: Thank you. Do I have a seconder? I second. Seconded by Trustee Laroni. All those

[1:01:57] Voice 11: in favor? And that is carried. So we'll extend for another 10 minutes and then perhaps take a break

[1:02:07] Voice 11: or have another vote. Is there anyone else in the queue? Kathleen, I see you. If you could unmute

[1:02:13] Voice 11: yourself, please go ahead.

[1:02:17] Voice 7: Hi. Yeah, I just have a couple of questions. Hopefully I'm asking

[1:02:20] Voice 7: at the right place um it's regarding the ferry i understood last year that there was some money

[1:02:29] Voice 7: put aside for a shelter on the french creek side and i'm wondering if there's any update on that

[1:02:35] Voice 7: my other question is regarding repairs to the dock here in false bay that seem to be currently

[1:02:43] Voice 7: being done by members of the public and I'm wondering about liability for that and also

[1:02:50] Voice 7: apparently there is money available for our doc here but I haven't seen any plans on how much

[1:02:58] Voice 7: money there is or how it might be spent and so I wonder if you have any update on any of those

[1:03:05] Voice 7: things thank you

[1:03:06] Voice 11: thanks and I wasn't sure did we catch your last name Kathleen it's Kathleen

[1:03:14] Voice 7: McInnel.

[1:03:15] Voice 11: McInnel, thank you. I recognize Trustee Peterson and then Trustee Laroni.

[1:03:19] Voice 4: Yeah, I was just going to mention neither of those items are within the jurisdiction of Islands

[1:03:23] Voice 4: Trust. However, the first item is being addressed through the local community association, and I

[1:03:29] Voice 4: believe the community association's Branch Creek Harbor Authority liaison is Peter Laroni.

[1:03:35] Voice 4: uh the second piece is our doc in false bay is transport canada um you may wish to speak to

[1:03:43] Voice 4: bruce um bird who is our warfinger he may have more information this committee did write to

[1:03:50] Voice 4: transport canada uh earlier in the year and received a reply in april that they will be coming

[1:03:55] Voice 4: in uh 2026 to do some inspection thank

[1:04:02] Voice 9: you for that trustee laroni and said exactly what i was

[1:04:05] Voice 9: I was going to say, talk to Peter Laroni and Bruce Bird.

[1:04:08] Voice 9: They've got all the info, and I can get you their whole number if you need.

[1:04:16] Voice 11: Great. Thank you, trustees.

[1:04:17] Voice 11: Ms. McKinnell, do you have anything else?

[1:04:23] Voice 7: I guess I understand that it's not under the jurisdiction of Islands Trust,

[1:04:27] Voice 7: but you are representing the residents and landowners here on the island,

[1:04:34] Voice 7: And I wonder if a closer liaison with the French Creek Harbor Authority and the Warfinger wouldn't be helpful to the members of the community, because I don't see any updates coming from either the Leskete Community Association or the Harbormaster or the French Creek Harbor Authority on any of these issues.

[1:04:54] Voice 7: So to ask a member of the public to go about making these contacts and finding out that information seems like kind of the long way around, as I'm sure there's other people here that would like those updates as well.

[1:05:08] Voice 7: So it just seems like the responsibility has just been thrown back to me, but I'm sure I'm not the only one that wants answers to those questions.

[1:05:20] Voice 11: Good questions. Trustee Peterson.

[1:05:22] Voice 11: well

[1:05:24] Voice 4: uh i would just say that the um within our advocacy function as a local trust committee we

[1:05:30] Voice 4: have we have been doing our best to represent what we've heard in the community to uh specifically

[1:05:35] Voice 4: to transport canada um the french creek harbor authority because we have a local um represented

[1:05:44] Voice 4: from the community association on on that board um i don't recall any direct advocacy from

[1:05:50] Voice 4: from this committee to the French Cape Harbour Authority.

[1:05:54] Voice 4: But certainly within the Transport Canada sphere,

[1:05:59] Voice 4: we get limited response as a local trust committee.

[1:06:02] Voice 4: Certainly happy to pass any of that information along again

[1:06:06] Voice 4: to members of the public who are interested or contact information.

[1:06:12] Voice 4: If any members of the public want to write directly

[1:06:14] Voice 4: and add your voices to our voices and advocacy,

[1:06:17] Voice 4: I think when higher levels of government receive multiple correspondence on the same subject, they may tend to pay a little bit more attention.

[1:06:29] Voice 4: But I understand your frustration.

[1:06:33] Voice 7: i'm just

[1:06:34] Voice 7: wondering is there is there anywhere that i can read about um the community association's

[1:06:41] Voice 7: um input to uh either the federal government or the powers that be about some of our concerns

[1:06:50] Voice 7: regarding our transportation systems here go

[1:06:58] Voice 11: ahead trustee peterson yeah

[1:06:59] Voice 4: so that just just to

[1:07:01] Voice 4: To reiterate, the French Creek Harbor Authority has a representative from the Ski Donut that is a different, in fact, a different section of the federal government than Transport Canada, who is directly responsible for our dock.

[1:07:18] Voice 4: There was a mail out from Mr. Laroni about the French Creek Harbor, the waiting room there.

[1:07:26] Voice 4: I believe there's going to be more information because there's a bit of a fundraising campaign, I think, that's about to launch or underway.

[1:07:36] Voice 4: And I'm happy to, you know, if you want to contact me directly, I'm happy to give you all the information I have around the Transport Canada correspondence we have, which is not a lot, but it has been in a public agenda.

[1:07:52] Voice 4: I just don't have the date in front of me of the agenda that we received that reply on.

[1:08:00] Voice 7: Okay. Thank you, Trustee Peterson. Appreciate that.

[1:08:03] Voice 11: Thank you. And if there could be information or a way that the local trust committee could help in terms of advocacy,

[1:08:12] Voice 11: we could send sort of a request to the local trust committee of correspondence.

[1:08:18] Voice 11: We can advance that to executive committee and executive committee would have to decide.

[1:08:24] Voice 11: if it's um well schedule it for advocacy um it really does have to relate to the ltc can do

[1:08:32] Voice 11: advocacy on land use matters um but not other items that are in other jurisdictions so if it's

[1:08:39] Voice 11: advocacy to another body that would have to go through executive committee as trustee peterson

[1:08:43] Voice 11: states but thanks for bringing that to our attention and um and asking those questions

[1:08:48] Voice 11: thank you

[1:08:49] Voice 8: okay

[1:08:53] Voice 11: is there anyone else uh we're almost at 10 minutes but i think we have time

[1:08:56] Voice 11: for one more oh trustee laroni did you have a comment go

[1:09:01] Voice 9: ahead um yeah i just um i mean i just

[1:09:05] Voice 9: wanted to quickly echo what tim has to say this is a difficult issue i'm a voter i this has been

[1:09:12] Voice 9: going on for years um i've been trying to get in touch with small crop harbors and finding an

[1:09:17] Voice 9: natural contact for them is extremely challenging i've been talking to the cyber authority and

[1:09:24] Voice 9: it's happening all over and it's yeah very difficult

[1:09:27] Voice 12: and i sympathize you uh

[1:09:33] Voice 11: do we have

[1:09:34] Voice 11: any other members of the public who wish to address the local trust committee if you could

[1:09:39] Voice 11: please raise your hand and noting we are at 10 minutes uh we can extend it again by a majority

[1:09:51] Voice 11: vote if there are any other members who wish to address the local trust committee there are two

[1:09:57] Voice 11: two hands raised. Okay. Thank you. So, Trustee Peterson, go ahead. I

[1:10:03] Voice 21: move that the town hall

[1:10:04] Voice 21: session be extended by a further 10 minutes.

[1:10:08] Voice 11: Thank you. Do I have a seconder? Trustee Laroni?

[1:10:12] Voice 11: All those in favor, please raise your hand. And that is carried. Okay. The next speaker,

[1:10:20] Voice 11: please promote them to speaker. And go ahead. Hello. Can you hear me?

[1:10:29] Voice 11: Yes, we can hear you.

[1:10:30] Voice 11: If you can state your name and the matter that you wish to speak to.

[1:10:34] Voice 2: Shauna Karras.

[1:10:36] Voice 2: Shauna Karras.

[1:10:38] Voice 2: And, yeah, just appreciation.

[1:10:40] Voice 2: Like, I just want to, yeah, thank you guys.

[1:10:44] Voice 2: I feel like you do a good job.

[1:10:45] Voice 2: You do your best.

[1:10:47] Voice 2: And I appreciate you, Chair.

[1:10:51] Voice 2: And, yeah, I'm happy that you're our Chair.

[1:10:55] Voice 2: And I don't think I'm the only one who feels that way.

[1:10:58] Voice 2: I think there's other people who feel that way, too.

[1:11:01] Voice 2: So that's all I wanted to say.

[1:11:03] Voice 2: Thank you.

[1:11:07] Voice 11: Thank you, Ms. Karras.

[1:11:09] Voice 11: Appreciate your comments.

[1:11:11] Voice 11: Is there anybody else who'd like to address the Local Trust Committee?

[1:11:14] Voice 11: Please raise your hand.

[1:11:18] Voice 11: I see Chantel briefly appeared.

[1:11:24] Voice 11: Can I ask Lisa?

[1:11:25] Voice 11: That

[1:11:26] Voice 6: was my error.

[1:11:27] Voice 6: I promoted Chantel, but her hand wasn't up.

[1:11:30] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:11:31] Voice 11: So we're going to recognize second-time speakers now, unless there's any first-time speakers?

[1:11:38] Voice 11: all right uh mr darwin please go ahead thank

[1:11:42] Voice 20: you oh yeah it's dave olsen again um just wondering

[1:11:49] Voice 20: if so your notification bylaw that you're going to work on today it only requires notices to be

[1:11:59] Voice 20: posted on the island stress website and facebook page and last meeting you were informed of other

[1:12:04] Voice 20: other methodologies I'm asking you directly to add that a notice must be sent by Mailer on Island for

[1:12:14] Voice 20: to this bylaw today so that's a request um the survey for the island's trust policy statement

[1:12:23] Voice 20: skips over sections 1.3 and 1.4 and I'm wondering why that is 1.3 is entitled indigenous inherent

[1:12:35] Voice 20: inherent rights acknowledgement.

[1:12:36] Voice 20: So the public doesn't get to see that in the survey.

[1:12:39] Voice 20: And 1.4 is purpose and structure of the policy statement.

[1:12:43] Voice 20: And that's where the fact that islands cannot opt out

[1:12:46] Voice 20: of policies is referred to.

[1:12:48] Voice 20: So it's a bit misleading in your public discourse

[1:12:52] Voice 20: to exclude those two pieces.

[1:12:55] Voice 20: You all three mentioned you're at trust council last week

[1:12:59] Voice 20: and you were talking about the budget.

[1:13:01] Voice 20: So my question is, what was the discussion around the budget implications of the proposed policy statement?

[1:13:09] Voice 20: Is it going to double, triple, worse your existing budget to implement the policy statement?

[1:13:17] Voice 20: I'm sure you had a discussion about that since you're talking about budget for next year.

[1:13:22] Voice 20: And then today I would also like to reiterate the request that was made last meeting,

[1:13:29] Voice 20: meeting, which is does LTC make a motion today to ask staff to prepare a report on amending

[1:13:40] Voice 20: the land use bylaw to expand the list of locations where docks are permitted?

[1:13:45] Voice 20: You have that list, Lyra submitted that to you, and it's a very simple minor project

[1:13:52] Voice 20: project that the staff can easily implement. And it's urgent in the sense of your discussion

[1:14:02] Voice 20: earlier around wildfires. There is very inadequate egress from this island at the moment.

[1:14:09] Voice 20: And then last request is, will this LTC inform BC Marine trails that camping is not allowed

[1:14:16] Voice 20: out on the Skidi Island. Islanders worked very hard to convince the province to prevent

[1:14:25] Voice 20: camping at Squiddy Bay. And a member of the public seems to have been speaking on behalf

[1:14:32] Voice 20: of the community to say that camping could be allowed at Salacia Bay Cove or I'm not

[1:14:38] Voice 20: sure if that's the right pronunciation but um we are of what i've heard from this community

[1:14:46] Voice 20: is that we don't want camping anywhere and that other cove that was offered

[1:14:52] Voice 20: does not have road access is just as dangerous as seeing a cove thank you so much

[1:14:59] Voice 11: mr olsen

[1:15:01] Voice 11: You've asked a number of questions. I can answer the question about the update to the policy

[1:15:08] Voice 11: statement amendment project charter. Trust Council did endorse a new project charter,

[1:15:15] Voice 11: version 12, which has increased the proposed project budget from $15,000 to $37,000.

[1:15:23] Voice 11: And so that is in the Trust Council agenda, page 366, if you wish to look at it.

[1:15:31] Voice 11: And I'm not sure I can answer your other questions.

[1:15:33] Voice 11: Trustee Peterson?

[1:15:36] Voice 5: Two things.

[1:15:37] Voice 5: One was around the policy statement survey.

[1:15:45] Voice 4: And this was in response to a different question that I submitted to senior staff.

[1:15:51] Voice 4: But the suggestion, that question had been about specific to local trust areas.

[1:15:57] Voice 4: But they pointed out that there is a section on the survey.

[1:16:00] Voice 4: anything else you'd like to tell us which they suggested could be used for

[1:16:05] Voice 4: anything else the other piece was around the BC marine trails and camping it

[1:16:15] Voice 4: should be noted that on Crown land I think it's in section 9 members of the

[1:16:21] Voice 4: public not commercial but individual members of the public may camp on Crown

[1:16:27] Voice 4: Crownland for up to 14 days. We may not like that, but we don't have jurisdiction to change

[1:16:34] Voice 4: that provincial rule. I'm actually hoping we get a chance to sit down with BC Marine Trails at some

[1:16:41] Voice 4: point here and sort of look at what sort of priorities that they have, which I think may

[1:16:46] Voice 4: be different than the priorities of the local trust committee and the community at large. But

[1:16:50] Voice 4: that issue around camping on Crownlands is an outright permitted use. I believe it's in section

[1:16:57] Voice 4: section nine but I could I could look that up at another date

[1:17:04] Voice 14: yeah it's true

[1:17:06] Voice 8: oh yes but he did this by not commercial yes

[1:17:10] Voice 11: so in response to your question

[1:17:13] Voice 11: why uh was the survey not on every section of the island's trust proposed policy statement

[1:17:22] Voice 11: 1.3 inherent indigenous inherent rights acknowledgement this is a trust council

[1:17:28] Voice 11: sole acknowledgement of rights that already exist that are protected under section 35 of the

[1:17:34] Voice 11: constitution act and so these are not um sort of up for opinions or consultation with the um with

[1:17:42] Voice 11: the public it's a simple fact of their constitutional rights and a recognition of that fact

[1:17:47] Voice 11: thank you for comments is there anybody else who wishes to address the local trust committee

[1:17:56] Voice 11: Peter Johnston, please go ahead.

[1:17:59] Trustee Johnston: Thank you.

[1:18:00] Trustee Johnston: My name is still Peter Johnston.

[1:18:01] Trustee Johnston: I much prefer to be called Peter rather than Mr. Johnston.

[1:18:05] Trustee Johnston: This is very brief.

[1:18:07] Trustee Johnston: This is the first electronic meeting I've been part of for some time.

[1:18:11] Trustee Johnston: And so many features have been disabled.

[1:18:14] Trustee Johnston: I can't even, I have no idea who else is in the meeting unless they've spoken and I've

[1:18:19] Trustee Johnston: heard them.

[1:18:20] Trustee Johnston: usually you can find out who you know check who's participating or observing in the meeting i mean

[1:18:26] Trustee Johnston: we're told participate i think in the meeting the chat doesn't work i i just find it very

[1:18:33] Trustee Johnston: alienating and and it's very non-communal i'm a big big supporter of electronic meetings i think

[1:18:41] Trustee Johnston: they allow people with an interest in mesquite no matter where they are to participate and i

[1:18:47] Trustee Johnston: And I highly recommend that all meetings have this part to participate, which they haven't had when they're in person.

[1:18:54] Trustee Johnston: And I have a piece of information.

[1:18:56] Trustee Johnston: When the Squiddy Bay Park began, we managed to convince BC Parks to not permit camping.

[1:19:02] Trustee Johnston: We didn't get them to forbid it, but they didn't permit it.

[1:19:06] Trustee Johnston: So it hasn't been permitted at Squiddy Bay Park.

[1:19:10] Trustee Johnston: They were very unhappy with that until Jedediah Island became a park.

[1:19:15] Trustee Johnston: And since camping is permitted there, they relaxed about Squiddy Bay Park.

[1:19:21] Trustee Johnston: So camping has never been forbidden in Squiddy Bay Park.

[1:19:25] Trustee Johnston: Thanks.

[1:19:27] Voice 11: Thank you for your comments.

[1:19:30] Voice 11: I'm wondering if staff can comment on the tools that are available for an electronic meeting,

[1:19:40] Voice 11: meeting as opposed to a public participation sort of town hall which I think has different

[1:19:47] Voice 11: management I just don't want to confuse the two would you be able to speak to that Lisa

[1:19:56] Voice 6: thank you chair Elliott um a zoom meeting um I believe the speaker was referring to

[1:20:04] Voice 6: whereby everybody that joins the meeting is seen on the screen and if the options are checked off

[1:20:12] Voice 6: such as chat and Q&A they have the ability to do that. Islands Trust's electronic meetings are held

[1:20:21] Voice 6: via what is considered a webinar. It is also a Zoom platform but there are more controls built

[1:20:27] Voice 6: built into it for the web host or the meeting host to be able to manage the meeting.

[1:20:34] Voice 6: So there are differences between the two functions.

[1:20:37] Voice 6: And Islands Trust electronic meetings are held via the webinar format.

[1:20:45] Voice 11: Thank you for that.

[1:20:46] Voice 11: Peter, does that answer your questions or do you have anything further?

[1:20:50] Trustee Johnston: I have nothing further.

[1:20:52] Trustee Johnston: Thank you.

[1:20:53] Voice 11: And

[1:20:53] Trustee Johnston: it is possible to enable the chat.

[1:20:56] Trustee Johnston: I've taken participating in webinars that do that, and that where you can, in fact,

[1:21:02] Trustee Johnston: this is the first one where you have no idea who else is participating, and the participants

[1:21:07] Trustee Johnston: by no means are displayed on the screen.

[1:21:10] Voice 11: No, that is correct.

[1:21:12] Voice 11: This is a different format.

[1:21:14] Trustee Johnston: Yeah, but it seems to me that you've minimized the functions, but I'll carry on, not now,

[1:21:22] Trustee Johnston: about this later.

[1:21:23] Trustee Johnston: Thank you.

[1:21:24] Trustee Johnston: I'm going to go and have my lunch.

[1:21:25] Voice 11: All right.

[1:21:26] Voice 11: All right. Thank you. So we have reached a 10-minute mark. Does anyone want to put forward

[1:21:33] Voice 11: a motion to hear more submissions or members of the public? Or are we ready to continue on

[1:21:40] Voice 11: the third business? Go ahead, Trustee Peterson.

[1:21:46] Voice 4: Just noting that there is a hand up that we

[1:21:48] Voice 4: haven't heard from. I know we have other business and I don't want us to go way over time today.

[1:21:56] Voice 4: but I would move for the town hall be extended by 10 minutes but I just want

[1:22:03] Voice 4: to make it clear this is I'm not gonna make a motion again after this today

[1:22:08] Voice 4: Thank

[1:22:09] Voice 11: You trustee Peterson do I have a seconder seconded by trustee Laroni and

[1:22:15] Voice 11: I'll call for the vote all those in favor and that is carried okay so we

[1:22:22] Voice 11: have ten more minutes and I will ask for Craig McFeely to be promoted and you

[1:22:29] Voice 11: you please go ahead mr

[1:22:41] Voice 12: mcfeely we can't hear

[1:22:43] Voice 11: you if you could please state your name and the subject

[1:22:47] Voice 11: that you would like to speak to still not hearing anything mr mcfeely okay sorry you're having

[1:23:18] Voice 11: difficulties um is it possible to email one of the trust committee members or myself with your

[1:23:25] Voice 11: comments and anyone can of course send any of your comments to the skeedy island local trust

[1:23:35] Voice 11: committee at islandstrust.bc.ca uh but i'm not hearing anything from mr mcfeely i'm

[1:23:43] Voice 11: sorry about that okay and are there any other speakers yes please go ahead lynn

[1:23:53] Voice 16: hi it's lynn sprague again s-p-r-a-g-u-e um i agree with what uh peter said in regards to uh

[1:24:04] Voice 16: it's nice to be able to do these kinds of Zoom meetings.

[1:24:09] Voice 16: The only reason I'm able to participate today

[1:24:11] Voice 16: is because I'm on the other side.

[1:24:13] Voice 16: I don't have this kind of an internet connection on Laskiti.

[1:24:18] Voice 16: So if I don't, I know that there are lots and lots of people

[1:24:21] Voice 16: over there that do not.

[1:24:24] Voice 16: I hate to see people missing these kinds of meetings

[1:24:27] Voice 16: because they're so important,

[1:24:29] Voice 16: particularly, once again,

[1:24:30] Voice 16: with our Islands Trust Policy Statement draft coming up.

[1:24:33] Voice 16: um and and the end of the survey so what my my question or request is is could we please get

[1:24:42] Voice 16: and when i mean a few more than three or four hard copies paper copies of the survey available

[1:24:52] Voice 16: i know a lot of people who have not yet seen the survey who have not yet seen um a copy of the uh

[1:25:01] Voice 16: or the policy statement draft. People just don't have access to it. So if we could get them in

[1:25:07] Voice 16: hard copy, and my other question would be, if it'd be possible to have another public meeting

[1:25:12] Voice 16: regarding this before things start to get set in stone. That's it. Thank you.

[1:25:21] Voice 11: Thank you for your comments. Trustee Peterson.

[1:25:25] Voice 4: Yeah, just on the issue of hard copies. Last I looked, there was still a half dozen copies,

[1:25:31] Voice 4: paper copies at the community hall and a week before last I think it was I

[1:25:36] Voice 4: dropped off another 25 copies at provisions if there are no more copies

[1:25:43] Voice 4: either those places I'm happy to get my hands on some more copies and spread

[1:25:47] Voice 4: them around Thank

[1:25:51] Voice 11: You trustee Peterson that'd be great

[1:25:53] Voice 11: Thank You Lynn and as to the request about another community meeting I will

[1:25:59] Voice 11: leave that to local trustees to organize and hopefully there'll be some notes that will help

[1:26:04] Voice 11: inform the response referral response from the skeedy local trust committee at our next meeting

[1:26:11] Voice 11: any other speakers okay recognizing speaker carl you have three minutes

[1:26:25] Voice 20: hi yeah it's dave olson again um another question is um on the top of page two of the policy

[1:26:34] Voice 20: statement survey it says we are currently in the fourth public

[1:26:37] Voice 20: engagement on the draft pulse statement could you tell us when the previous

[1:26:45] Voice 20: three public engagements took place you also when my last time I spoke I asked

[1:26:55] Voice 20: if you would make a motion today to amend the land use bylaw to expand the list of locations

[1:27:04] Voice 20: where docks are permitted you didn't respond to that question and

[1:27:13] Voice 19: there are

[1:27:15] Voice 11: and also

[1:27:18] Voice 19: the

[1:27:21] Voice 11: I didn't

[1:27:22] Voice 19: respond to that, I assume, but we'll discuss that later, and Mr.

[1:27:32] Voice 11: Olson, Mr. Olson,

[1:27:34] Voice 11: can you pause?

[1:27:35] Voice 19: Let's see.

[1:27:40] Voice 11: Mr. Olson, can you pause so that we can answer your two questions before you

[1:27:44] Voice 11: move on?

[1:27:44] Voice 20: Sure, please.

[1:27:45] Voice 20: Thank you.

[1:27:46] Voice 11: So the public engagement that I've heard-

[1:27:50] Voice 20: Yes, please.

[1:27:51] Voice 20: No, that's great.

[1:27:52] Voice 20: Right. Please, you're asking if I can pause?

[1:27:56] Voice 11: Not sure if there's a delay.

[1:27:58] Voice 11: Can everyone hear me okay?

[1:28:02] Voice 11: Trustees, are you hearing me okay?

[1:28:04] Voice 11: Because there seems to be a delay.

[1:28:05] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:28:06] Voice 11: So the first public engagement was 2019 to 2020,

[1:28:14] Voice 11: and there was a What We Heard report released.

[1:28:17] Voice 11: The second public engagement was January to March 2021.

[1:28:20] Voice 11: 2021 the third was March to July 2022 and again there was another what we heard report

[1:28:29] Voice 11: so this is the first public input and engagement for the current fiscal all the previous ones

[1:28:37] Voice 11: happened in the previous term of trustees as for your question whether we can consider another

[1:28:43] Voice 11: other minor projects to include locations for docs that can be discussed at the agenda item

[1:28:53] Voice 11: when we are at, I think it's 13.2, when we're discussing the minor project currently on our

[1:29:04] Voice 11: schedule. And did you have another question?

[1:29:10] Voice 20: Yes, I do. Thank you. In section 3.2.9,

[1:29:15] Voice 20: it's called cultural monitors in the policy statement and it says through

[1:29:21] Voice 20: engagement with indigenous governing bodies support opportunities for

[1:29:24] Voice 20: cultural monitors to be present for ground disturbing activities however the

[1:29:30] Voice 20: term cultural monitor is not defined in the document and so a question is when

[1:29:36] Voice 20: one builds a home garden path road or anything else that disturbs the ground

[1:29:42] Voice 20: Will one have to hire a person of a specific race to watch and then is there a requirement to?

[1:29:51] Voice 20: You know feed and house the person because let's give you obviously doesn't have a lot of housing

[1:29:56] Voice 20: We don't have even a lot of temporary housing

[1:30:00] Voice 20: So it's a real question.

[1:30:04] Voice 20: So I'm not hearing the trustees willing to opt out of any of these policies.

[1:30:09] Voice 20: So if this one is imposed on Mesquite, we need to know some of those answers.

[1:30:15] Voice 20: Another question is regarding Sections 3.2.2 and 3.2.3.

[1:30:24] Voice 20: They both start with minimize potential adverse impacts.

[1:30:28] Voice 20: impacts and I'm asking you to define what this means and how the Islands Trust expects to

[1:30:37] Voice 20: minimize whatever you define as a potential adverse impact so thank you there's a lot more

[1:30:46] Voice 20: on the policy statement but I'll leave it limited to that for now okay

[1:30:53] Voice 11: so as far as I can

[1:30:57] Voice 11: can determine each local trust committee will still be in charge as an autonomous local government of

[1:31:06] Voice 11: putting together its policies that would align with the policy statement and it is up to the

[1:31:15] Voice 11: community to decide how that policy of cultural monitors would be implemented minimizing potential

[1:31:22] Voice 11: potential adverse impacts. I think there are potentially some policies in LISPIDI's OCP already

[1:31:29] Voice 11: about how to manage impacts of development. And it would be in the next iteration of your OCP

[1:31:38] Voice 11: if this policy statement is adopted, how that is directed by the LISPIDI community.

[1:31:47] Voice 11: community well

[1:31:48] Voice 20: thank

[1:31:57] Voice 11: you members of the public i think with that we will close our public

[1:32:02] Voice 11: participation town hall thank you for your comments and your questions they do help us to

[1:32:09] Voice 11: conduct our business and to inform our decisions so i really appreciate everyone participating

[1:32:16] Voice 11: today, noting that this is not the preferred method of public meetings on Liskiti, that we

[1:32:23] Voice 11: are endeavoring with all speed to return to in-person meetings that can be held safely

[1:32:31] Voice 11: and accommodate everyone as we need to. I'm going to suggest we take our lunch break now.

[1:32:38] Voice 11: Now we are at 1235 and the next business section six, seven new business. Okay. So if everyone's

[1:32:52] Voice 11: okay with a 30 minute break or do we want 45? Yes. And you know, it's 30, 30 thumbs up 35, 45,

[1:33:04] Voice 11: 30. Okay. We'll take a 30 minute break and thank you everyone. Return at 1.05 PM.

[2:02:14] Voice 12: Hi, Lisa. Are you there?

[2:02:17] Voice 12: I

[2:02:24] Voice 10: am here. Are you ready?

[2:02:25] Voice 10: Not quite. We are live streaming, so I'm just going to ask

[2:02:34] Voice 11: if you were going to be prepared

[2:02:38] Voice 11: to speak to 11.1 and sort of the setting of the locations?

[2:02:43] Voice 11: Certainly.

[2:02:43] Voice 11: Okay, thanks.

[2:04:00] Voice 12: Okay, trustees, are we back?

[2:04:07] Voice 11: Fantastic. Hope everyone had a good break and a chance to

[2:04:12] Voice 11: eat some food um okay so we're going to proceed through section six we've got minutes dated

[2:04:21] Voice 11: october 6 2025 for adoption oh trusty the roni can't hear anyone can you try unplugging your

[2:04:33] Voice 11: headphones and plugging them in again sometimes i've noticed that oh wireless try disconnecting

[2:04:41] Voice 11: your bluetooth check

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[2:04:59] Voice 12: you're

[2:05:03] Voice 10: good awesome excellent

[2:05:05] Voice 10: okay

[2:05:06] Voice 11: so section six minutes of the regular meeting thank you to our minute taker um

[2:05:15] Voice 11: this was a very in-depth meeting and some very detailed question and answers

[2:05:22] Voice 11: and I've read through are there any corrections or changes to the minutes

[2:05:27] Voice 11: no I'll take it by general consent then that the minutes of October 6 2025 be adopted

[2:05:39] Voice 11: we've got a record of our resolutions without meeting uh decision of December 8th 20 or sorry

[2:05:45] Voice 11: rather November 20th 2025 and we'll go to the follow-up action report if staff have any updates

[2:05:52] Voice 11: states or trustees have any questions, page 16 and 17. Go ahead, Trustee Peterson.

[2:06:02] Voice 5: Thank you, Chair. Sorry, just toggling here. So the first item on the follow-up report

[2:06:14] Voice 5: at the

[2:06:16] Voice 4: very bottom on January 23rd, 2023, the LTC deferred referral to the APC

[2:06:24] Voice 4: on the issue of the Flynnrod comments

[2:06:28] Voice 4: on the draft OCP update.

[2:06:31] Voice 4: And considering how much time has gone by

[2:06:34] Voice 4: and that we want to,

[2:06:38] Voice 4: but we're hoping that the regional planning team

[2:06:40] Voice 4: is going to be able to put their heads to

[2:06:42] Voice 4: and some resources to the project soon.

[2:06:46] Voice 4: I'm wondering if we should request

[2:06:49] Voice 4: that that referral go ahead to the APC.

[2:06:51] Voice 4: And I feel like we can get that information from them and balance it with any information that we get from SNLs or other First Nations.

[2:07:05] Voice 4: I'd just like to maybe get that referral going out to the APC so we can get them putting their minds to that.

[2:07:13] Voice 4: And

[2:07:17] Voice 11: Staff, can you remind me, this was the previous referral to the OCP that was sent out, and so this is from Lenrod, about their concerns.

[2:07:31] Voice 11: We hadn't heard back from First Nations and thought that would be folded into the current OCP project.

[2:07:39] Voice 11: So

[2:07:43] Voice 18: through the chair, this referral to the APC was related to correspondence or a referral response received from Flynnrode and their recommendations about certain policies within the draft OCP at the time, or proposed OCP at the time.

[2:08:05] Voice 18: and um and it was delayed until that referral was delayed until responses from first nations

[2:08:13] Voice 18: were received so i think i i believe the rationale was that there may the first nations may have

[2:08:21] Voice 18: comments as well on some of those policies and so then just to receive all that feedback um

[2:08:29] Voice 18: so that's kind of the background that i'm aware of that i could speak to right now

[2:08:33] Voice 18: And

[2:08:36] Voice 11: I guess a question, I don't know if our regional planning manager is here, but if the OCP process hasn't actually started yet or is in the process of beginning, would this be the appropriate sort of first action or should it be sequenced with other referrals?

[2:08:56] Voice 11: So I'm kind of wondering about jumping to referring the older set of policies, if new policies are going to be developed, and we just might want to get comments on the whole new draft OCP.

[2:09:16] Voice 11: Go ahead, Stephen.

[2:09:17] Voice 18: Sure, I can, if you would like, I can, RPM Jamrat is not in this meeting currently, I don't believe I can, I can ask her to join.

[2:09:25] Voice 18: What I would say is that it would perhaps be a more kind of unified process if this was done kind of in line with an engagement plan that was developed when that project starts again.

[2:09:42] Voice 18: And that way, you can be sure that once you do receive feedback, you know, there's an action plan in terms of what to do with it as well.

[2:09:50] Voice 18: And it kind of fits within a project process.

[2:09:53] Voice 18: process so i i would um suggest that that it may make sense to um hold off on sending referrals to

[2:10:01] Voice 18: the apc related to this own cp project at this time okay

[2:10:09] Voice 11: thank you i'm inclined to take that

[2:10:10] Voice 11: advice um what do you think trustee peterson yeah

[2:10:16] Voice 4: i mean i guess that does make a certain

[2:10:17] Voice 4: amount of sense this was a fairly specific um piece and my recollection is that the

[2:10:25] Voice 4: The question to the APC was sort of really whether they felt that the comments from Linda out there should be the source of amending some of those policies.

[2:10:47] Voice 4: They're around Crown land, if I recall correctly, um, or whether, um, or whether the, the advice, certainly the, the, uh, the advice that was contained in the, um, uh, the report from the LCA, uh, recommended policies that then were subsequently Flynn Road, uh, indicated they weren't super happy with, but we sort of wanted to just touch back.

[2:11:15] Voice 4: it's just it's a it's a question that i think still needs to be addressed um i'm i don't think

[2:11:20] Voice 4: there's a particular urgency um just it's been sitting it's been sitting dormant for

[2:11:28] Voice 4: the better part of three years now so i was just wondering if that was a piece we could get going

[2:11:33] Voice 4: on um while we're waiting for other pieces just to get that commentary on that but if if it makes

[2:11:37] Voice 4: more sense from the staff to to do it in a lump um i'm fine with taking that advice as well

[2:11:43] Voice 4: Yeah, this has

[2:11:54] Voice 11: been a difficult project to manage, recognizing that it started as a project and then down to a minor project. And so certain elements have not been captured with the whole OCP review that I know Laskiti is hoping for.

[2:12:10] Voice 11: So I am just cautious about starting an action before the project has actually started.

[2:12:18] Voice 11: So I think it should be one of the first actions undertaken because we have that feedback and it would be really good to follow back with the APC.

[2:12:32] Voice 11: Thanks, Trustee Peterson.

[2:12:36] Voice 4: Yeah, if I could just one, just one final comment. Planner Boff, you could just flag this as maybe something to check in with, with the Region Planning Manager on.

[2:12:48] Voice 4: And as I say, I'm happy to take staff advice, but if there's some thought that that may be a piece that could advance sooner, I'm just, you

[2:12:57] Voice 16: know, I'm just

[2:12:58] Voice 4: looking for whatever we can get going, that's all.

[2:13:01] Voice 4: off so through

[2:13:04] Voice 18: the chair absolutely yeah we i can follow up with our pm jam rap about this topic and

[2:13:09] Voice 18: and i think um you know that can um feed into the the regional planning team's um consideration of

[2:13:17] Voice 18: initiating this project when they have that capacity as well and so thank

[2:13:26] Voice 11: you for that so

[2:13:27] Voice 11: question on the next item uh sorry i also have to scroll back up the referral response our next

[2:13:35] Voice 11: meeting is February 9th, is that correct? And so that'll be the meeting when we collate and give

[2:13:44] Voice 11: a response from the OSCE DLTC. Is there anything that you can share, Trustee Peterson, in the

[2:13:51] Voice 11: meantime as you've been in attendance with these community meetings and sort of clarifying some of

[2:13:58] Voice 11: the points that were raised in the questions? It would be helpful to know in advance if any of

[2:14:05] Voice 11: those are going to be issues of discussion in February um so how do you want to think a little

[2:14:13] Voice 11: bit about how that referral response should be considered well

[2:14:19] Voice 4: if I may chair um I did state

[2:14:21] Voice 4: early in in the meeting I shared some of my notes um and uh and I also indicated that I wanted to

[2:14:28] Voice 4: touch base with the um person who's taking some notes at that meeting um and uh or the second

[2:14:35] Voice 4: meeting and then um and then what i thought i would do is uh uh sort of look at that and then

[2:14:41] Voice 4: just email email uh you and staff and um trustees and staff and then and then that could sort of be

[2:14:50] Voice 4: the background um to when we do reach that that space if

[2:14:57] Voice 11: i can offer a suggestion at the next

[2:15:00] Voice 11: community meeting, if you can ask the community, you know, what in the current OCP policies,

[2:15:08] Voice 11: Laskiti's OCP could be impacted by the proposed new policy statement. So it is really helpful.

[2:15:19] Voice 11: I've heard when I've heard from community members, they're saying specific, this specific policy,

[2:15:23] Voice 11: You know, how does that connect to our OCP policy X, Y, and Z? And then if we can unpack that a bit, because that is the expression of the community's values and wishes, then I think that forms more concrete recommendations that would be useful to inform the development of the policy statement.

[2:15:45] Voice 11: So rather than sort of, it doesn't work, we don't like general things, if we can get folks to express, you know, compare to the LISC-ED OCP, that would be really helpful.

[2:15:58] Voice 11: Yeah,

[2:16:00] Voice 4: I appreciate that, Chair. I did reiterate several times that the more specific the responses are, the better. I'm going to state that there's mostly a general desire to speak more generally than drill down into specifics, but I did advocate for more specific sort of policy analysis or questions or concerns.

[2:16:29] Voice 4: That could directly sort of helpfully inform the referral response.

[2:16:33] Voice 4: But I will say that there wasn't, the desire was to speak, I think, more generally, sort of.

[2:16:40] Voice 4: There are some little bits, and I will be collating what I do have and sharing that.

[2:16:45] Voice 12: Thank you.

[2:16:52] Voice 12: Any more questions on

[2:16:52] Voice 11: the follow-up action list?

[2:16:57] Voice 11: I do have one on item six on page 17.

[2:17:01] Voice 11: This is actually Director Marler and Legislative Clerk Nadine Murrow's department.

[2:17:08] Voice 11: We will be discussing the public notification bylaw at 13.2, but just noting that we don't have any options in that briefing about suitable local print or electronic publications and social media.

[2:17:26] Voice 11: so I don't know if more work needs to be done on that or we can defer

[2:17:32] Voice 11: consideration of this bylaw 106 until we have some options do

[2:17:44] Voice 13: you want to speak

[2:17:44] Voice 13: to that chair if

[2:17:46] Voice 9: you would please yeah

[2:17:48] Voice 13: so the this is a bylaw recommendation

[2:17:53] Voice 13: coming from Trust Council so several years ago the provincial government

[2:17:59] Voice 13: amended the community charter to allow local governments to adopt an alternative

[2:18:06] Voice 13: forms of providing public notice so the default is very strict it requires

[2:18:15] Voice 13: notification in two editions of a newspaper that circulates in the in the

[2:18:24] Voice 13: area and that has to be published usually within no later than three days before the

[2:18:33] Voice 13: issue that's being advertised is going to be discussed and the last one of those publications

[2:18:40] Voice 13: can't be any earlier than 10 days so it gives us a narrow window to put those advertisements

[2:18:48] Voice 13: advertisements in and to meet the definition of a publication it has to publish at least once a week

[2:18:55] Voice 13: and not all of the papers in the islands do that so we find in some trust areas that we end up

[2:19:03] Voice 13: having to use the more expensive mainland or Vancouver Island paper that officially circulates

[2:19:09] Voice 13: in the area but may not have a lot of readership for example we may end up using Times Colonist or

[2:19:15] Voice 13: or the salt spring driftwood in the Southern islands.

[2:19:20] Voice 13: I'm not, to be honest,

[2:19:21] Voice 13: I'm not sure what you do on the Skidi, my apologies.

[2:19:24] Voice 13: But so that is where this is coming from.

[2:19:29] Voice 13: So it's up to the local trust committee.

[2:19:32] Voice 13: The legislation requires that you consider reliability,

[2:19:35] Voice 13: suitability and accessibility for your particular community.

[2:19:39] Voice 13: And it's up to you to determine what you think is suitable.

[2:19:43] Voice 13: We have indicated on page 43 of the agenda, in the middle, that if you consider those

[2:19:52] Voice 13: three principles, then there's really five methods of providing that information, which

[2:19:59] Voice 13: is online or in a print newspaper, on the Islands Trust website, on a community website

[2:20:04] Voice 13: or a newsletter, or Islands Trust social media pages such as Facebook, or a direct email

[2:20:12] Voice 13: our mail out so now when you think about all of those you've got to consider the

[2:20:18] Voice 13: practicality of doing it as well so for example online or print newspaper then

[2:20:24] Voice 13: you still have the restriction of making sure no sorry the the alternate allows

[2:20:31] Voice 13: you to publish in a paper that publishes once a month but you still have to meet

[2:20:36] Voice 13: that speed a 10-day requirement so it could hamper or make it more difficult

[2:20:41] Voice 13: to schedule the meetings that you're advertising.

[2:20:44] Voice 13: So I wouldn't recommend that be one of the options.

[2:20:49] Voice 13: For online, if you're not using the Alice Trust website,

[2:20:52] Voice 13: you have to make sure that the website is updated regularly,

[2:20:56] Voice 13: is accessible, and it's reliable.

[2:20:58] Voice 13: In other words, it's not run in a means that people could consider to be biased

[2:21:04] Voice 13: or it might have, you know, ways to edit or remove the notices.

[2:21:09] Voice 13: You've got to make sure that you can put them up purely as they are and anybody can access them.

[2:21:14] Voice 13: Same goes for community websites and newsletters.

[2:21:18] Voice 13: The direct email and mail-out is possible, but you'd have to make sure you're reaching everybody on the island.

[2:21:26] Voice 13: And there could be a huge cost involved in doing that.

[2:21:30] Voice 13: And Canada Pulse might be the way to go, but it's not the most reliable way to go right now.

[2:21:35] Voice 13: So those are the options.

[2:21:37] Voice 13: Based on that, the recommendation from staff was to use the Islands Trust website and social

[2:21:47] Voice 13: media as the best way to publish.

[2:21:52] Voice 13: What this means is where you have a public hearing, where you're required by legislation

[2:21:58] Voice 13: to provide notice, that would be the default.

[2:22:00] Voice 13: That would be where we would post the notices, which would be on the website or on social

[2:22:06] Voice 13: media or whatever other thing you've indicated. Only one of those has to meet

[2:22:12] Voice 13: that requirement for three days to ten days. So as long as it's on the website

[2:22:17] Voice 13: for example up to at least three days before and for at least ten days before

[2:22:22] Voice 13: then that meets that requirement. It also removes the requirement in the default

[2:22:27] Voice 13: to publish in two consecutive editions of a newspaper. You no longer have to do

[2:22:33] Voice 13: that either. So, I mean, you can certainly go beyond what your bylaw says, but this is just

[2:22:41] Voice 13: saying as a minimum, this is what you're required to advertise in. There'll be nothing stopping you

[2:22:46] Voice 13: still publishing in a monthly publication. It just happens to work out as a supplemental

[2:22:53] Voice 13: notice that you want to provide to the public. Those usually are indicated that they're provided

[2:22:58] Voice 13: for convenience and they're not being published in that paper because of

[2:23:04] Voice 13: statutory requirements or something like that so anyway this is a recommendation

[2:23:09] Voice 13: from the Trust Council model by law and they asked all local trust committees to

[2:23:18] Voice 13: consider adoption of it and you'll see that it says on page 46 electronically

[2:23:26] Voice 13: by posting on the Islands Trust website and electronically by posting on the

[2:23:31] Voice 13: Islands Trust social media platforms and then finally I will say that beyond that

[2:23:36] Voice 13: so this is the basic publication in documents that go out to everybody the

[2:23:43] Voice 13: idea is to get to everybody on the island there are some bylaws certain

[2:23:48] Voice 13: ones such as say rezoning where you're changing use of density and it affects

[2:23:55] Voice 13: less than 10 different landowners, you are required in those instances to

[2:24:01] Voice 13: provide notice to people within a certain distance of the property. Same

[2:24:06] Voice 13: goes for development variance permits. So that's over and above your bylaw. That's

[2:24:11] Voice 13: a legislative requirement that you'll be doing anyway. And the legislation also

[2:24:16] Voice 13: requires that you post the notice on a public notice board in the community. So

[2:24:21] Voice 13: you should have one on the skidi and we also post it in the office that again is by legislation and

[2:24:29] Voice 13: the bylaw does not override that so and those are not really options that you can consider in this

[2:24:35] Voice 13: bylaw because those are required by the the legislation so um yeah we've looked at the

[2:24:42] Voice 13: options which we provided to you in the report and the two that trust council recommends uh listed

[2:24:49] Voice 13: Again, it's up to the trust committee to determine the three things listed in the report there,

[2:24:58] Voice 13: which is reliability, suitability and accessibility.

[2:25:01] Voice 13: And those are defined in the public notice regulation and just kind of summarized for

[2:25:07] Voice 13: you on page 43 of the agenda.

[2:25:12] Voice 13: So with that, I'll pass it back to the chair and if you've got any questions, I'll try

[2:25:16] Voice 13: and ask them.

[2:25:16] Voice 13: Thanks.

[2:25:18] Voice 11: Thank you, Director Marler. I wasn't meaning to go into that whole request for decision,

[2:25:25] Voice 11: but it is helpful to have the whole background. And I just wanted to know that

[2:25:30] Voice 11: staff had followed up on the other options as requested at the last meeting.

[2:25:35] Voice 11: So we'll have that discussion at item 13.2. Thanks for the overview and presenting that.

[2:25:45] Voice 11: yeah let's save that discussion for then thanks okay anything else on the follow-up action list

[2:25:54] Voice 11: okay so moving on to 10.1 we have the presentation for the minor project land use bylaw amendment

[2:26:08] Voice 11: minimum lot area for subdivision uh planner ba over to you thanks

[2:26:15] Voice 18: chair um so this draft bylaw

[2:26:17] Voice 18: Bylaw number 107 is being presented to you in response to a request by the Local Trust

[2:26:23] Voice 18: Committee for a minor project to amend the minimum average lot area on Laskete Island

[2:26:28] Voice 18: from 4.0 hectares to 4.04686 hectares.

[2:26:35] Voice 18: Staff are recommending the LTC use a simplified 4.05 hectares, which is equivalent to 10.0

[2:26:42] Voice 18: acres.

[2:26:42] Voice 18: and a detailed breakdown of the recommended amendments

[2:26:47] Voice 18: to the Latin East By-law is presented in the staff report on pages 19 to 20.

[2:26:51] Voice 18: Together, the amendments would increase the minimum lot size

[2:26:55] Voice 18: from 4 hectares to 4.05 hectares in subdivision District A

[2:26:59] Voice 18: on split-zoned lots and for subdivisions to provide residents for a relative.

[2:27:05] Voice 18: It would also increase the minimum lot area per dwelling

[2:27:08] Voice 18: from 4 hectares to 4.05 hectares on split-zoned lots

[2:27:12] Voice 18: within subdivision district A and on lots zoned commercial two and commercial three.

[2:27:17] Voice 18: And the land use bylaw amendment would also increase the lot area per retail business

[2:27:23] Voice 18: from four hectares to 4.05 hectares in the commercial two zone.

[2:27:28] Voice 18: Timeline for completion of this project is included in the report

[2:27:32] Voice 18: with completion possible by July 2026.

[2:27:36] Voice 18: Staff are recommending the local trust committee give first reading to the draft bylaw.

[2:27:41] Voice 18: state the bylaw is not contrary to or at variance with the island's trust policy statement

[2:27:45] Voice 18: refer the bylaw to first nations and agencies and schedule a public hearing for may 2026

[2:27:51] Voice 18: and finally there is one typo in the recommended resolution number four

[2:27:56] Voice 18: which should state liskiti island local trust committee thanks excellent

[2:28:08] Voice 11: thank you for that

[2:28:08] Voice 11: planner baugh do we have any questions on the report or items of clarification trustee peterson

[2:28:19] Voice 11: and uh

[2:28:20] Voice 4: not a question but i just wanted to uh just express my appreciation to planner ba for

[2:28:26] Voice 4: bringing this forward um so quickly for us i really appreciate that and um based on the timeline it

[2:28:35] Voice 4: looks like this is achievable before end of term which i i really appreciate um i think this meets

[2:28:42] Voice 4: meets everything that I was hoping it would. So yeah, I'm going to stop, but happy to see this

[2:28:50] Voice 4: proceeding.

[2:28:52] Voice 11: Great. Any comments or questions, Trustee Larone? And I'd be happy to entertain

[2:28:56] Voice 11: a motion at any point. I

[2:29:03] Voice 4: will start with the first one, if you'd like, Chair. I move that the

[2:29:08] Voice 4: Liskety Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 107, cited as Liskety Island Land Use Bylaw No. 78,

[2:29:14] Voice 4: 2005 amendment number 1 2025 be read a first time thank

[2:29:22] Voice 11: you do i have a seconder seconded by trustee

[2:29:27] Voice 11: laroney any discussion on the motion also expressing my thanks planner boff for getting

[2:29:36] Voice 11: this um through it was the very first thing i heard in our first meeting on the skidi

[2:29:42] Voice 11: back in 2022 was clarifying the conversion of 10 acres to hectares so really appreciate getting

[2:29:52] Voice 11: this done i'll call for the vote all those in favor raise your hand or say aye and that is carried

[2:30:00] Voice 11: Thank you. And Trustee Leroni, do you want to proceed with one of the other motions? Or Trustee Peterson?

[2:30:17] Voice 8: Page 18 here.

[2:30:22] Voice 9: I move that

[2:30:24] Voice 9: the Liskety Island Local Trust Committee has

[2:30:28] Voice 9: reviewed the Trust Policy Statement Directive. Only checklist

[2:30:32] Voice 9: determines that bylaw 107 cited is Liskety Island Land Use Bylaw

[2:30:36] Voice 9: number 78-2005, amendment number 1-2025

[2:30:40] Voice 9: is not contrary to or at the variance with the

[2:30:45] Voice 9: oh my god, I've got emotions, with the Island Trust Policy Statement.

[2:30:50] Voice 11: Excellent. Thank you. Do I have a seconder? Seconded by Trustee Peterson. Any discussion? All those in favor, please raise your hand or say aye. And that is carried. Trustee Peterson, do you want to tackle the next?

[2:31:07] Voice 21: Sure.

[2:31:10] Voice 4: I'm going to just preface by saying I am certain to have some trouble with the pronunciation coming up here, and I will do my best.

[2:31:19] Voice 4: I move that Laskia and Local Trust Committee request staff to refer bylaw number 107 to the following First Nations, agencies, and organizations.

[2:31:50] Voice 4: Association, Tla'aman Nation, Tla'oatsits Nation, Tsu'bax First Nation,

[2:31:56] Voice 4: Waiwikai Nation, Waiwikum Nation, Island Stress Conservancy Board,

[2:32:01] Voice 4: Cathet Regional District, and the Ministry of Transportation and Transit.

[2:32:05] Voice 11: Thank you. Do I have a seconder for the motion?

[2:32:09] Voice 11: Seconded by Trustee Laroni. Any discussion?

[2:32:13] Voice 11: All those in favor, please raise your hand or say aye.

[2:32:16] Voice 11: And that is carried.

[2:32:19] Voice 11: Trustee Laroni, over to you. One more.

[2:32:23] Voice 11: I'm going to make you read it out.

[2:32:25] Voice 9: You get so cumbersome.

[2:32:26] Voice 9: Wait a minute.

[2:32:26] Voice 9: What am I doing?

[2:32:27] Voice 9: I've got the hard one.

[2:32:29] Voice 9: Okay.

[2:32:29] Voice 9: I move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee request staff.

[2:32:33] Voice 9: Oh, Gabriela.

[2:32:35] Voice 9: Wait, no, no, no.

[2:32:35] Voice 9: That's all wrong.

[2:32:36] Voice 9: We are.

[2:32:37] Voice 9: Yeah.

[2:32:38] Voice 9: Yeah.

[2:32:38] Voice 9: I move that the Luskete Island Local Trust Committee request staff schedule a public hearing for bylaw number 107 cited as Luskete Island land use bylaw number 78, 2005, or 2005, amendment number 2025.

[2:32:52] Voice 9: on may 4th 2026.

[2:32:57] Voice 11: excellent do i have a seconder seconded by trustee peterson any discussion

[2:33:03] Voice 11: trustee peterson yeah

[2:33:05] Voice 4: thank you chair i just wanted to note that um in the alternative section

[2:33:10] Voice 4: it is noted that uh uh we could request staff to send a notice of first reading in advance

[2:33:16] Voice 4: of the february meeting and advance the bylaw without a public hearing since the bylaws

[2:33:21] Voice 4: as consistent with the official community plan however i just wanted to make a note of that

[2:33:26] Voice 4: um i think that uh i think that it's a better process to go ahead um with the public hearing

[2:33:34] Voice 4: despite the fact that i uh believe that this um amendment is as well supported um

[2:33:42] Voice 4: i unless there's a real urgency or some other thing i would generally not like to bypass that

[2:33:50] Voice 4: part of the public process so just wanted to note that thank you chair thank

[2:33:56] Voice 11: you so noted

[2:33:58] Voice 11: i'll call the vote all those in favor please raise your hand or say aye and that is carried thank you

[2:34:06] Voice 11: excellent to see this minor project move along uh we've heard questions about a future consideration

[2:34:12] Voice 11: of a future minor project so um i did promise we'd return to that question at this point in

[2:34:21] Voice 11: the meeting i think mr olsen was asking about a minor project to identify locations for docs

[2:34:32] Voice 11: and i think that's already included in the major project ocp review

[2:34:39] Voice 11: it's been clarified and reiterated several times that locations for docs should be part of the

[2:34:46] Voice 11: OCP review and as the OCP dictates where zoning is appropriate and things such as

[2:34:56] Voice 11: DOC should be permitted I think that's the appropriate place for that discussion. So at

[2:35:02] Voice 11: the conclusion of this minor project the LTC can turn its mind to the next minor project but

[2:35:08] Voice 11: certainly consideration of DOCs is in the scope of the OCP review. Okay so we'll move on to

[2:35:17] Voice 11: 11 point my 11.1 there's correspondence email dated uh october 31st 2025 from k

[2:35:28] Voice 11: yunk regarding the change c egg cove from overnight to day use it's on pages 29

[2:35:35] Voice 11: our agenda and i was really thankful to be sent actually this full thread of correspondence

[2:35:44] Voice 11: wanted because it's very informative this is clearly an evolving discussion um trustees did

[2:35:50] Voice 11: you want to raise this for action or information only go

[2:36:00] Voice 12: ahead trustee peterson i

[2:36:03] Voice 4: guess um

[2:36:06] Voice 4: not necessarily action unless we decide that or maybe with some advice whether that's a good idea

[2:36:11] Voice 4: however um one of the things that was mentioned in this correspondence i'll also note that there was

[2:36:17] Voice 4: uh uh some further pieces that i sent along that just didn't get in time to i didn't get us out in

[2:36:23] Voice 4: time to get onto this agenda but will appear on a future agenda um there was an offer essentially

[2:36:31] Voice 4: from the the chair of the bc marine trails to have a conversation um and i think that that might be

[2:36:40] Voice 4: be useful. It was interesting for me to note that this organization's objection to the NOLS

[2:36:49] Voice 4: application that we put our referral response into at our October meeting, very similar to this

[2:36:55] Voice 4: committee's objections. And so I think there may be some use, some utility in having a discussion

[2:37:07] Voice 4: with um with bc marine trails but i guess my question to you chair and perhaps staff want

[2:37:14] Voice 4: to weigh in on it um if we were to have a discussion at the local trust committee level

[2:37:21] Voice 4: um it would need to be a special meeting of some sort i believe so um i think it's important to

[2:37:28] Voice 4: have that discussion if the local trust committee i mean obviously i can have it individually but i

[2:37:35] Voice 4: I think it might be good if the local trust committee is interested in pursuing a special meeting where we could have that sort of look back and forth.

[2:37:44] Voice 4: I'd like to understand better their priorities and how they align or don't align with the priorities of the local trust committee as representative of the community.

[2:37:54] Voice 4: I think if we anticipate a future application, then having that relationship could be useful in advance of a potential further referral response to an additional application down the road.

[2:38:13] Voice 4: So that's just my thoughts. And I'd love to hear from both of you whether you think trying to schedule a special meeting would be something you'd like to advance.

[2:38:25] Voice 4: My

[2:38:29] Voice 11: thought would be, and it's difficult without RPM Jamerat here, we can't strike a meeting of a local trust committee if it's not on business that is before the local trust committee and we don't have a referral to us yet.

[2:38:47] Voice 11: that there is potentially a pending referral. I agree that getting this information is really

[2:38:54] Voice 11: important, but I think trustees could meet, and actually Director Marler, maybe you can answer

[2:39:00] Voice 11: this question, could we not meet outside of the local trust committee? It's not a business meeting.

[2:39:07] Voice 11: It's a meeting with, you know, another agency to inform us from a community perspective

[2:39:14] Voice 11: perspective on a potential future referral but it's not actual LTC business so I don't think

[2:39:21] Voice 11: we can call a business meeting of all three trustees but would we break the open meeting

[2:39:26] Voice 11: rule if two or three trustees met with this representative to discuss a potential future

[2:39:34] Voice 11: referral?

[2:39:36] Voice 13: Yeah I think you would because you're looking to get information about something you

[2:39:43] Voice 10: may have

[2:39:43] Voice 13: to make a decision of down the road so i think that needs to be an open meeting okay

[2:39:52] Voice 11: good advice what's the timeline i didn't really see when this would potentially come back

[2:40:06] Voice 11: is this sort of imminently to be decided go ahead trustee peterson i

[2:40:11] Voice 4: think it's a big unknown um

[2:40:13] Voice 4: And it was made publicly known that Knowles was going to, had withdrawn and was going to, was planning to amend and resubmit their applications.

[2:40:29] Voice 4: But I don't think we have any sense of the timeline of when that might be.

[2:40:35] Voice 11: So how about this is a course of action then?

[2:40:39] Voice 11: And we could just correspond with BC Marine Trails and say that we're interested in a

[2:40:47] Voice 11: meeting, but we can't schedule this to be on a public agenda until we have a referral.

[2:40:53] Voice 11: But could we then invite BC Trails Marine Trails representative?

[2:41:01] Voice 11: So if we get a referral, we could invite that representative to speak to our LTC at that

[2:41:08] Voice 11: meeting, Trustee Peterson.

[2:41:11] Voice 4: Yeah, just to have a question of clarity for Director Marler, based on his previous comments, are we in fact in a bit of a catch-22 here? Because if we are expecting to get a referral, although we don't know precisely when, but I would guess it would be within the next year, probably well in advance of the summer kayaking season.

[2:41:35] Voice 4: season. Can we in fact schedule a meeting in anticipation of a referral that we don't have yet

[2:41:45] Voice 4: as a business item? Because I did just hear that we can't have a non-business meeting

[2:41:55] Voice 4: because we're expecting a referral. So I'm just, you know, is there a way out of this catch-22 or

[2:42:01] Voice 4: am I reading a catch-22 that it doesn't exist? Can we in fact have that discussion

[2:42:06] Voice 4: discussion on an item that we don't currently have on our business, but we anticipate is coming.

[2:42:12] Voice 13: I don't think there's anything saying through the chair that you can't, there's nothing saying that

[2:42:16] Voice 13: you can't talk about it in open meeting, regardless of whether or not you have the application. So if

[2:42:21] Voice 13: you think something's coming, and you would like to either talk about it in advance of getting the

[2:42:27] Voice 13: application, or you'd like to invite the person who may be making the application to come in and

[2:42:32] Voice 13: talk to you you can do all of that in open meeting um but obviously staff are not going to do any

[2:42:37] Voice 13: processing my actual working on it or doing reports for you until we actually have the

[2:42:42] Voice 13: application in but as long as you do an open meeting i don't see any concerns with something

[2:42:47] Voice 13: like that so

[2:42:49] Voice 4: just as a follow-up then um so it sounds like we because we're anticipating this

[2:42:55] Voice 4: we could schedule a special meeting or invite um a representative to one of our other regular

[2:43:02] Voice 4: our meetings although i'm a little leery about trying to load more business onto one of our

[2:43:07] Voice 4: regular business meetings is that correct though we could we could in fact have a public meeting

[2:43:14] Voice 13: yeah through the chair you might want to think about what what the goal of that meeting is

[2:43:19] Voice 13: usually the individual talk to staff to deal with any bylaw issues and make sure the application is

[2:43:26] Voice 13: complete and also staff can advise on timelines so you know if they're hoping to open the business or

[2:43:32] Voice 13: whatever it is in the summer they can work backwards and let them

[2:43:36] Voice 13: know the meeting schedule the trust committee

[2:43:39] Voice 13: and the workload and when they can expect to get something considered

[2:43:43] Voice 13: depends on the complexity of it as well so that's usually at the staff level

[2:43:48] Voice 13: and then if there's something that you at the trust committee level

[2:43:52] Voice 13: would need to to know i'm not sure what that would be

[2:43:55] Voice 13: um you could but you want to think about what the intent of the meeting

[2:43:59] Voice 13: is um obviously you can't make any promises so you need to keep an open mind so you can probably

[2:44:06] Voice 13: seek information but you know until you get the application that could change

[2:44:12] Voice 4: yeah i'm sorry chair

[2:44:15] Voice 4: but i just just for clarity um what we're talking about is talking uh to um the bc marine trails who

[2:44:23] Voice 4: would not be the applicant they're they're right so it's it's about the application that we um

[2:44:32] Voice 4: anticipate but not talking to the applicant talking to another uh group yeah

[2:44:38] Voice 13: again you have

[2:44:38] Voice 13: to think about what the purpose of it is because until you've got an application you don't really

[2:44:44] Voice 13: know exactly what they're applying for um it could be through staff if you're aware of something

[2:44:50] Voice 13: thing coming up to encourage the the applicant to talk to bc marine trails about whatever issues

[2:44:57] Voice 13: could be so they can come prepared i don't think it's fair to blindside the applicant i think you

[2:45:02] Voice 13: need to be open with them as well um so if you're talking to somebody it needs to be open and

[2:45:09] Voice 13: transparent yeah

[2:45:11] Voice 4: and just also for additional clarity the um what it what we would anticipate

[2:45:17] Voice 4: space seeing again is a uh a referral from um the province for a crown lease tenure application so

[2:45:25] Voice 4: it's not going to be a an application directly to that it's not allowed to use application to the

[2:45:30] Voice 4: ltc right

[2:45:32] Voice 13: so that would be it potentially could be so the initial response would be from the staff

[2:45:39] Voice 13: back indicating whether or not what's being proposed is consistent with your zoning and if

[2:45:45] Voice 13: If it's not, or if a permit's required, we would advise Crown Lands of that and follow

[2:45:52] Voice 13: up with the proponent saying, well, even if you get a permit from the province, it doesn't

[2:45:59] Voice 13: leave the right or give you the right to overwrite the zoning.

[2:46:03] Voice 13: You still have to talk to the trust committee about specific zoning issues.

[2:46:08] Voice 13: So I think you could ask staff to make sure that message is clear back to the applicant

[2:46:12] Voice 13: applicant so that they can then start working with the staff about what is consistent with

[2:46:19] Voice 13: zoning and what is not consistent with zoning yeah and i appreciate that

[2:46:24] Voice 4: but um what what i'm

[2:46:27] Voice 4: talking about is talking to the bc marine trails who would not be the applicant um preparatory to

[2:46:36] Voice 4: the application for the this crown land referral it's a little bit complicated i don't think we're

[2:46:41] Voice 4: We're going to solve it today, but maybe I'll just reach out to staff and look for some

[2:46:46] Voice 4: suggestions on options.

[2:46:48] Voice 4: I won't take up any more time today on that.

[2:46:50] Voice 4: Thank you.

[2:46:52] Voice 11: Well, I think the idea is a good one.

[2:46:54] Voice 11: And Director Marler's advice is that it could inform a future application.

[2:46:59] Voice 11: If that's coming, it would be nice to have an invite, a delegation or a presentation

[2:47:04] Voice 11: from the chair of BC Marine Trails, because I think they've done some work in assessing

[2:47:10] Voice 11: discussing distances of sites and other alternative sites to see a cove so i did put a motion in the

[2:47:17] Voice 11: in the chat um and i could send it to you lisa as a proposal that the lskedi ltc could invite

[2:47:26] Voice 11: the board chair of bc marine trails to a future uh lskedi trust committee meeting so we don't

[2:47:32] Voice 11: have to set a time to discuss alternative sites to see a cove and alternative solutions

[2:47:39] Voice 11: to inform a future referral response on Crown Lease Application X.

[2:47:45] Voice 11: So really, it's like inviting the conservancy or another agency to come and share their information.

[2:47:51] Voice 11: Then we've got notes from that.

[2:47:53] Voice 11: And then when the referral comes forward, we can, you know, we're all on the same page.

[2:48:02] Voice 11: Does that sound like a good approach, Chair, Trustee Peterson?

[2:48:09] Voice 4: I'd be happy to support that motion.

[2:48:11] Voice 11: Okay.

[2:48:13] Voice 11: I sent it by email to you, Lisa.

[2:48:18] Voice 11: I don't know if it's possible to get it up on the screen.

[2:48:22] Voice 6: I can do that.

[2:48:23] Voice 11: One moment, please.

[2:48:26] Voice 11: I don't have the name of the Crown Lease application either.

[2:48:31] Voice 9: I like the vague name.

[2:48:33] Voice 9: Yeah.

[2:48:39] Voice 4: I just have a question of whether the previous referral number would be the same if it came back amended

[2:48:49] Voice 4: it or if it's just an unknown at this point well

[2:48:52] Voice 11: we can just call it the knolls crown lease

[2:48:54] Voice 11: application uh planner ball

[2:48:56] Voice 18: i i just had the the previous referral number and islands trust file

[2:49:05] Voice 18: number uh but i yeah it is it's true we we don't know at this point if it'll if there'll be another

[2:49:11] Voice 18: referral and whether it will it will have the same file number or or an updated one so we could

[2:49:21] Voice 11: could just change that to the crown lease application by NOLS the

[2:49:30] Voice 18: chair NOLS I have

[2:49:32] Voice 18: this an acronym and I can tell you what that is stands for as well if that would help yeah so

[2:49:39] Voice 11: welcome any the

[2:49:40] Voice 18: national outdoor leadership school thanks

[2:49:44] Voice 11: so future Liskiti meeting do you want to

[2:49:55] Voice 11: say regular business meeting and then is that purpose clear enough because that was what was

[2:50:06] Voice 11: was in the letter discussing alternative sites to see a cove and alternative solutions for camping

[2:50:14] Voice 11: or overnight versus we could just remove that alternative solutions to inform a future

[2:50:24] Voice 11: response in the crown lease application yeah i'm satisfied with that if somebody wants to make the

[2:50:30] Voice 11: motion. Go for it.

[2:50:40] Voice 12: Go ahead.

[2:50:45] Voice 9: Okay, I move that Luskegee Island Local Trust Committee invite

[2:50:49] Voice 9: Board Chair of BC Marine Trails to a future Luskegee Local Trust Committee regular business

[2:50:54] Voice 9: meeting to discuss alternative sites to CA Cove to inform a future referral response to the Crown

[2:51:00] Voice 9: lease application by National Outdoor Leadership School.

[2:51:05] Voice 11: Thank you. Do I have a seconder? Seconded

[2:51:09] Voice 11: by trustee peterson any discussion advice from staff okay i'll call for the vote all those in

[2:51:17] Voice 11: favor raise your hand or say aye that is carried thank you and um we can probably write back to

[2:51:26] Voice 11: the bc trails chair and just thank her i who should do this do you want me to do that as chair

[2:51:33] Voice 11: of the ltc or does it matter will that go through staff i'm happy to do it planner ba if it saves

[2:51:44] Voice 11: gives you some work and I'll see you soon.

[2:51:51] Voice 18: Yeah, I think this is something we can prepare

[2:51:55] Voice 18: and it can be sent from the chair though

[2:51:57] Voice 18: if that's acceptable.

[2:52:01] Voice 11: Okay, that'd be great.

[2:52:03] Voice 11: Thank you.

[2:52:07] Voice 11: Excellent.

[2:52:08] Voice 11: Okay, moving to 13.1,

[2:52:10] Voice 11: our annual meeting schedule request for decision.

[2:52:14] Voice 11: We have a meeting schedule prepared for 2026-27

[2:52:19] Voice 11: and meeting facilitator, administrator, Lisa Millard,

[2:52:25] Voice 11: maybe you can speak to this.

[2:52:30] Voice 6: Certainly, Chair Elliott, I'll just note that I think we missed item 12.

[2:52:40] Voice 6: But the annual fiscal meeting year schedule has been presented

[2:52:45] Voice 6: to the LTC for consideration.

[2:52:48] Voice 6: The dates do reflect direction from senior staff

[2:52:53] Voice 6: staff that uh regular business meetings should not be scheduled from the time that the um election

[2:53:01] Voice 6: rate is dropped during the campaigning period and then of course from the time of election until the

[2:53:07] Voice 6: first um swearing in in November and due to the uh trust uh Trust Council meeting in September

[2:53:15] Voice 6: followed by UBCM. That essentially removes the majority of September through to the November

[2:53:23] Voice 6: Trust Council to not schedule regular business meetings. However, the LTC could schedule a

[2:53:29] Voice 6: special meeting in the September period during the campaign period if they need to address

[2:53:35] Voice 6: specific business. So I presented you with the proposed dates of the meetings and the LTC will

[2:53:43] Voice 6: will need to determine and specify which ones are to be electronic and which ones are to be

[2:53:48] Voice 6: held in person. And if held in person, you need to specify a location such as Liskety Island.

[2:53:58] Voice 11: Thank you for that. And my apologies for skipping over 12. With your indulgence,

[2:54:02] Voice 11: we'll stick with this and then return to that. So we could just specify Liskety Island without

[2:54:09] Voice 11: saying the actual venue at this point?

[2:54:15] Voice 6: Sure, Elliot. I'll note that at the recent

[2:54:17] Voice 6: and Trust Council, their meeting procedures bylaw uses the same language, which is

[2:54:25] Voice 6: date and time and place, and their places were such as Duncan, Victoria, and Southern Gulf Islands.

[2:54:36] Voice 11: Okay, that's helpful. That gives us time to get an appropriate meeting venue. I just wanted to

[2:54:43] Voice 11: note as well that the schedule on page 39 seems to be different and I appreciate these dates are

[2:54:50] Voice 11: changing all the time but the May meeting is set for Monday the 4th for instance as opposed to

[2:54:59] Voice 11: April 20th so this is still in process I guess and I wanted to ask if um if there could be

[2:55:09] Voice 11: consideration of a friday meeting um at the school if the school doesn't isn't held on fridays

[2:55:15] Voice 11: have we ever explored that as an option trustees peterson go ahead yeah

[2:55:22] Voice 4: i had a different topic

[2:55:23] Voice 4: but uh i'll just weigh on this i think um it's certainly worth looking into um the school

[2:55:31] Voice 4: availability i would assume that they um they schedule their days that they're not in regular

[2:55:38] Voice 4: school operation probably fairly far in events but i don't think it's i don't think it's every

[2:55:45] Voice 4: friday that they aren't in session i think it's some friday so we would need to get that

[2:55:51] Voice 4: information um and then i had another question but um i'm happy to hold that if we want to work

[2:56:00] Voice 4: on this first oh i

[2:56:02] Voice 4: was going to add one other thing and that is that um i'm aware that the

[2:56:06] Voice 4: The price of the renting the school is significantly higher than we're used to.

[2:56:16] Voice 4: I'm not sure if we would get a better deal than the MLA did for our ferry meeting, but that was significantly expensive rental.

[2:56:29] Voice 11: You have any idea how much?

[2:56:31] Voice 4: I think it was $700.

[2:56:33] Voice 11: Okay, thanks.

[2:56:35] Voice 11: Lisa, something to add?

[2:56:38] Voice 6: Thank you, Chair Elliott. Yes, the schedule on page 39, which shows the Liskety meeting on Monday, May 4th, versus the table schedule, which shows April 20th, I believe that's my error.

[2:56:55] Voice 6: The intention is for you to consider a Monday, May 4th, so that the Liskety and Gabriola meetings aren't in the same week, and that's for planning purposes.

[2:57:05] Voice 6: purposes. So should you choose to approve the dates, I would ask that you amend it to May 4th,

[2:57:17] Voice 6: if that's your choice.

[2:57:19] Voice 11: Right. So we'd actually not have the meeting on April 20th, then.

[2:57:26] Voice 11: Correct.

[2:57:27] Voice 6: It would be May 4th instead of April 20th.

[2:57:29] Voice 11: And then June 22nd, that might also be,

[2:57:32] Voice 11: uh it's incorrect it's listed as july 6th rather than june 22nd so you're asking us

[2:57:43] Voice 11: we want to go with the dates on the 30 the page 39 rather than the table yes

[2:57:51] Voice 6: looking at it now

[2:57:52] Voice 6: it appears that the table that was included in the meeting wasn't the updated version it was the

[2:57:57] Voice 6: original version so i can adjust those dates and put them on the screen for you if you would like

[2:58:03] Voice 6: like to give me a moment?

[2:58:08] Voice 11: Oh, I think you're breaking up. My connection's unstable. I didn't

[2:58:12] Voice 11: hear anything you said. I'm sorry. I think you're, my internet's breaking up. Go ahead,

[2:58:17] Voice 11: Trustee Peterson.

[2:58:19] Voice 4: Yeah, I'm sorry. You're having trouble there, Nanette. I heard

[2:58:24] Voice 4: Staff Millard quite clearly. So I had a concern, which is going into next term.

[2:58:31] Voice 4: and that is that the first uh scheduled meeting of the new term um would not be until march 1st

[2:58:45] Voice 4: of 2027 um and i think given that um the elections mid-october um inauguration first

[2:58:55] Voice 4: trust council all of that stuff happens so i did note that uh a blank space on the calendar

[2:59:03] Voice 4: And I'm hoping to get feedback from staff on this because I wanted to propose Monday, January 11th, 2027 as a potential meeting date.

[2:59:17] Voice 4: Now, I know there's a lot of working parts here, but I just feel like for new trustees coming in, waiting four months, basically, for the first local trust committee feels long.

[2:59:35] Voice 4: So I'm just wondering if staff can let us know whether that Monday, January 11th, 2027, is it possible or is it totally a fantasy in my world?

[2:59:55] Voice 11: Trustee Peterson, the November 23rd, 2026 would be the first.

[3:00:00] Voice 11: meeting of the new term would it not the elections happen in october council gets confirmed in

[3:00:10] Voice 11: november and so the first slate of meetings is that november meeting is it not my

[3:00:17] Voice 4: apologies i

[3:00:18] Voice 4: missed that i withdraw my concern

[3:00:26] Voice 11: november yeah so i think we've got some mistakes yeah so now

[3:00:32] Voice 11: Now we're looking at May 4th. Thank you for that. July 6th. And what was you were proposing January 11th, 2027? Is that possible?

[3:00:47] Voice 5: I was, but that's because I somehow didn't

[3:00:52] Voice 4: notice that the November meeting was post-election. I was just feeling like four months between election and a first LTC was a long time.

[3:01:00] Voice 11: okay so we're good with november 23rd then february 1st yeah this is now updated

[3:01:10] Voice 5: february february 1st that should be 2027 okay

[3:01:16] Voice 4: yeah because the other table said march 1st 2027

[3:01:20] Voice 4: so again they're not um yeah i'm totally fine with what's on the screen now

[3:01:27] Voice 11: Okay, great. I'm fine with it too. It lines up with all the other meeting dates. And we can always amend this, say if the school venue proves to be a good one, and there's a Friday once or twice that we can use that as a venue, but I'm comfortable going ahead with this.

[3:01:53] Voice 11: And we want to state the location all on Leskeetee Island.

[3:01:58] Voice 11: Oh, sorry.

[3:01:59] Voice 11: Lisa, go ahead.

[3:02:02] Voice 6: Thank you, Chair Elliott.

[3:02:03] Voice 6: Something that was identified by Vice Chair Maude when he was looking at the schedule

[3:02:08] Voice 6: was due to the need to have an LTC meeting for each LTC following the swearing-in in November

[3:02:16] Voice 6: that will create potential travel logistic issues for the new vice chairs

[3:02:22] Voice 6: traveling to the various meetings during that three-week period

[3:02:27] Voice 6: in which there's 13 meetings, and some of the regions

[3:02:30] Voice 6: have considered holding that November meeting electronically

[3:02:32] Voice 6: and some haven't, so that's just another consideration for you.

[3:02:38] Voice 11: Thank you for that.

[3:02:39] Voice 11: Yes, noting there are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 meetings

[3:02:45] Voice 11: in two weeks, 10 business days in November.

[3:02:50] Voice 11: That's a lot.

[3:02:51] Voice 11: lot. So do you want to put the November 23rd meeting as electronic and the rest on Laskete

[3:02:58] Voice 11: Island? Lisa, you have your hand still up. Not sure if you want to speak to us again or Trustee

[3:03:05] Voice 11: Peterson over to you.

[3:03:08] Voice 21: Yeah, I'd like

[3:03:09] Voice 4: to schedule in person and let the new local trust committee

[3:03:16] Voice 4: change that if they see fit. I think it's easier to go from in person to electronic than the other

[3:03:24] Voice 4: way around that's

[3:03:26] Voice 11: good yeah good idea because then we can get a venue and then if it looks

[3:03:31] Voice 11: unworkable for the chairs um that could be changed to electronic

[3:03:35] Voice 8: okay

[3:03:39] Voice 11: well if somebody

[3:03:42] Voice 11: is comfortable we can make the motion as amended or yeah i guess we just approve this meeting

[3:03:53] Voice 11: schedule it's on the top of page 36. I'll move. Oh, Leonard Baugh has a question.

[3:04:17] Voice 18: To the chair, I think for clarity if if because the dates have been changed from what's presented

[3:04:23] Voice 18: in the report if you list the the dates and location that would be best for for the motion

[3:04:31] Voice 18: to schedule these meetings that

[3:04:34] Voice 11: would be great Lisa could you bring that back on

[3:04:36] Voice 11: screen just thanks just a Laroni please proceed and

[3:04:54] Voice 9: then if

[3:05:08] Voice 11: you could list the

[3:05:09] Voice 11: dates for with the following dates may 4th 2026

[3:05:15] Voice 9: okay on the following date monday may 4th 2026

[3:05:21] Voice 9: monday july 6th 2026 monday november 23rd 2026 and february 1st 1927. okay

[3:05:31] Voice 11: great uh before it's

[3:05:35] Voice 11: second

[3:05:36] Voice 18: and just with the location as well to say on on mesquite island okay

[3:05:41] Voice 11: so we'll add a comma

[3:05:43] Voice 11: On Liskety Island.

[3:05:45] Voice 11: On Liskety Island.

[3:05:48] Voice 11: Does that work?

[3:05:51] Voice 11: Could you read the motion back in its entirety,

[3:05:54] Voice 11: Planner Millard, or Staff Millard, please?

[3:06:01] Voice 12: Yes, Chair, I can do that.

[3:06:05] Voice 6: That the Liskety Island Local Trust Committee,

[3:06:14] Voice 6: sorry, one moment, please.

[3:06:19] Voice 6: That Liskety Island Local Trust Committee

[3:06:21] Voice 6: approved their April 2026 to March 2027

[3:06:25] Voice 6: business meeting schedule as amended

[3:06:29] Voice 6: funded for dates Monday, May 4th, 2026, Monday, July 6th, 2026, Monday, November 23rd, 2026,

[3:06:38] Voice 6: and Monday, February 1st, 2027 on Liskety Island.

[3:06:47] Voice 11: Thank you. Can I have a seconder?

[3:06:50] Voice 11: Seconded by Trustee Peterson. Any more discussion? All those in favor, please raise your hand or say

[3:06:57] Voice 11: AI and that is carried. Excellent. Good bit of teamwork. Appreciate that. And now let's return

[3:07:03] Voice 11: to 12.1. My apologies. It's just on the agenda cover sheet. So this is to schedule the February

[3:07:14] Voice 11: local trust committee meeting as an electronic meeting. As noted, the community definitely

[3:07:21] Voice 11: prefers in-person meetings and it is the desire of the Liskiti local trust committee to return to

[3:07:27] Voice 11: in-person meetings as soon as we can find a venue. But as Trustee Peterson pointed out,

[3:07:33] Voice 11: it's going to be difficult to secure that venue with suitable electronic means before February

[3:07:40] Voice 11: 9th. So there is a motion here to change the February 9th, 2026 meeting at 11 a.m. to

[3:07:47] Voice 11: electronic. If somebody wants to make the motion, we can debate it at that point.

[3:08:02] Voice 11: it's on the cover page page one or two rather sorry

[3:08:14] i

[3:08:18] Voice 21: have it in front of me if you'd like go

[3:08:21] Voice 10: ahead there tim all

[3:08:22] Voice 21: right i move that the

[3:08:24] Voice 21: luskinian local trust committee requests staff to change their in-person regular

[3:08:28] Voice 4: meetings scheduled for february 9 2026 at 11 a.m to electronic thank

[3:08:33] Voice 11: you so move do i have a

[3:08:34] Voice 11: seconder seconded by trustee laroni any more discussion trustee peterson yeah

[3:08:41] Voice 4: thank you chair

[3:08:41] Voice 4: i think we all understand that um that uh in-person meetings are preferred by a lot of people on the

[3:08:50] Voice 4: island um certainly we did hear from one person today that really likes electronic meetings

[3:08:55] Voice 4: it's my hope that we can establish um or the lca can establish a reliable internet service

[3:09:03] Voice 4: at the community hall so that we could potentially have attendees accessible venue that attendees

[3:09:13] Voice 4: could attend in person or online. That would be fantastic. That would be the most accessible at

[3:09:19] Voice 4: all. But in the meantime, we have to face the reality we're not there yet, and I don't think

[3:09:25] Voice 4: we'll be there in time for February 6th. And therefore, I'm speaking in favor of the motion.

[3:09:30] Voice 4: Thank

[3:09:32] Voice 11: you, Trustee Peterson. And I just put myself on the speaker's list. I really thank everyone for their work on this. I did have a question for staff. I guess this would be for Lisa. If we know whether local LTC meeting expenses, which we spent so far this year, about two-thirds of the budget,

[3:09:56] Voice 11: it um do we know if that could cover something like a satellite uh for connectivity or would

[3:10:08] Voice 6: we inquire chair elliott that um that's not a question for me you would need to inquire

[3:10:15] Voice 6: trustee peterson yeah

[3:10:18] Voice 4: i would just note at our um our gabriola uh local trust committee meeting

[3:10:23] Voice 4: when we had some some issues with the bandwidth on that location um i think vice chair mod and

[3:10:30] Voice 4: And myself and the CAO had a brief conversation with our tech team about sort of establishing what are our baseline requirements from, you know, technically from that, however many hertz it is or whatever that we require.

[3:10:50] Voice 4: So I think that's probably something to go back to the tech end of our organization and work from there so that we've got a baseline.

[3:11:00] Voice 4: If, in fact, Islands Trust is going to consider pursuing purchasing equipment for meetings, we should find out what our tech team says.

[3:11:13] Voice 4: says. In the case we're talking about, of course, if the Liskety Community Association is going to

[3:11:21] Voice 4: establish their own internet connection, then it might be helpful for us to supply them with some

[3:11:32] Voice 4: information from our tech team as to what our requirements are for a local trust committee

[3:11:38] Voice 4: meeting. But I know that for a trust council meeting, it's different. So I think before we

[3:11:44] Voice 4: um and all consider purchasing equipment we need to check in with our our it department and and see

[3:11:51] Voice 4: what the you know let's i'm sure we don't need to to uh advance any purchasing uh without their

[3:11:58] Voice 4: advice no

[3:12:01] Voice 11: and i don't think we could i think um executive committee would be

[3:12:05] Voice 11: the decision maker on that sort of as it's operational so let's see how the liskiti

[3:12:12] Voice 11: community association does and your conversations go and if there's a need and it internet can't be

[3:12:20] Voice 11: supplied there then maybe um they could write a letter to to the chair and we could bring that

[3:12:27] Voice 11: to executive committee and request it be included in the next budget yeah okay great so we have not

[3:12:34] Voice 11: yet voted so i'll call for the vote all those in favor and that is carried excellent so the next

[3:12:41] Voice 11: meeting will be held electronically thank you for that recall to the agenda

[3:12:46] Voice 11: and now we are in 13.2 you've got our notification methods for bylaw 106 which

[3:12:57] Voice 11: prescribed that it be a reliable suitable and accessible medium for those

[3:13:02] Voice 11: key local trust yeah so I'll just open it up for discussion

[3:13:05] Voice 11: We've got no remarks, Director Marlar, but you gave us a pretty good overview there.

[3:13:16] Voice 11: Go ahead there, Trustee Peterson or Director Marlar.

[3:13:21] Voice 13: If I may, through the Chair, I kind of spoke earlier, so I jumped the gun there, but I

[3:13:26] Voice 13: don't have anything additional to say to that.

[3:13:29] Voice 8: Trustee Peterson?

[3:13:32] Voice 13: Thank you, Chair.

[3:13:36] Voice 4: Yeah, there was a piece that I wanted a bit of clarity on from the Director, but I'll

[3:13:42] Voice 4: just make a couple of comments first.

[3:13:44] Voice 4: um in consideration to the three principles uh here we are on page 43 um possible methods to

[3:13:55] Voice 4: publish public notices that are available local trust committees include online or print newspaper

[3:14:00] Voice 4: a question around that the honest website a community website or newsletter

[3:14:06] Voice 4: um on the stress social media direct email or mail out so a comment on the um

[3:14:14] Voice 4: On the mail-out, I know that on Laskete Island, a Canada Post mail-out has gone up a bit, but I think it's gone up to like $35 from $20.

[3:14:31] Voice 4: um so that seems to me like a pretty good methodology to get notices out in the community

[3:14:41] Voice 4: uh uh hopefully the postal strike is over for good for a while um but uh uh if cost-wise i just

[3:14:52] Voice 4: wanted to mention it's not particularly expensive on the skidi to do that and i think it's a good

[3:14:57] Voice 4: way to, you know, certainly everyone that has a mailbox or gets mail on Laskiti would then be

[3:15:02] Voice 4: notified through the mail. It also alleviates issues that we know some people either can't

[3:15:13] Voice 4: get internet or choose not to. So I think it's a good sort of hard copy analog way to get notice

[3:15:20] Voice 4: out. And being that I know it's not terribly expensive on Laskiti, I think that might be a

[3:15:25] Voice 4: good a good method for us to consider i did have a question um director marlin mentioned about uh

[3:15:36] Voice 4: local local newsletters um but i had i had thought that i had read it before that um for

[3:15:46] Voice 4: notification that um it had to be a publication that went out weekly and it had to be it had

[3:15:54] Voice 4: had to run um two weeks in a row and then i thought i might have heard something slightly

[3:16:00] Voice 4: different from director merler but i just wanted to check back on that because we of course don't

[3:16:05] Voice 4: have any weeklies we have monthlies good question

[3:16:16] Voice 13: and you're muted sir yeah sorry um just going to

[3:16:25] Voice 13: check the regulation you want to continue and i'll get back to that for you i

[3:16:34] Voice 4: appreciate that

[3:16:35] Voice 4: Yeah, I'm just cognizant of wanting to get notice out.

[3:16:44] Voice 4: Obviously, that meets our statutory requirements, but also in a way, in analog methods, I would say that those who either don't have, don't want, or just don't understand internet,

[3:17:00] Voice 4: internet i'm going to say that i have elderly relatives that certainly meet um some of those

[3:17:07] Voice 4: uh that yeah if we if we can supply at least one analog print methodology i'd be really in

[3:17:18] Voice 4: support of that so

[3:17:33] Voice 7: well

[3:17:39] Voice 11: in the in the monthly newspaper could it not publish could it not be

[3:17:43] Voice 11: the third method and the first two the online and the social media are the those are the default but

[3:17:53] Voice 11: then the extra is in a published newspaper once a month i'm not hearing anything from director

[3:18:08] Voice 11: marler so i don't even know if my questions are we

[3:18:11] Voice 4: can hear you but i know he was looking something

[3:18:13] Voice 4: up for us

[3:18:13] Voice 13: yeah no sorry i was just looking it up um yeah sorry i don't know where the monthly

[3:18:18] Voice 13: came from is a newspaper is considered weekly for publishing purposes and sorry what was your

[3:18:25] Voice 13: question there uh charlotte oh

[3:18:30] Voice 11: well trustee peterson's trying to make the point that an

[3:18:33] Voice 11: analog method would be needed in addition to the two online um on our social media and on our

[3:18:45] Voice 11: website my understanding is the Laskiti local paper comes out once a month it is just once

[3:18:52] Voice 11: monthly so it doesn't meet the weekly criteria but could it be a third method of notification

[3:18:58] Voice 11: so that at least the notice is going out yeah

[3:19:03] Voice 13: so under the legislation if your bylaw specifies

[3:19:09] Voice 13: two obviously those the ones that you would have to use but you can definitely for convenience not

[3:19:17] Voice 13: to meet legislation also publishing a monthly paper and we've done that in the past even under

[3:19:24] Voice 13: the standard to get the information out to the community but because it doesn't meet the weekly

[3:19:33] Voice 13: publication we can't use it as a legislative required one so yeah you can certainly do that

[3:19:40] Voice 13: but that wouldn't be in the bylaw that would just be like a policy or at the time that you consider

[3:19:48] Voice 13: publishing notice you just ask staff to also put it into the local paper okay

[3:19:54] Voice 8: yeah i

[3:19:56] Voice 4: had a follow-up which was about the um what could go into the bylaw so so we can't use

[3:20:02] Voice 4: a monthly we can't include notice in a monthly paper in the bylaw is that correct correct but

[3:20:08] Voice 4: could we include a direct mail out in the bylaw you

[3:20:14] Voice 13: could um that would be an option and as i

[3:20:18] Voice 13: said there's some logistical concerns around that i wouldn't recommend it but you could certainly do

[3:20:23] Voice 13: it but if it if it's more

[3:20:26] Voice 4: if it's one of several methodologies right but like if we had uh sorry

[3:20:33] Voice 4: i'm just looking at the report here again if we specified um the uh the electronic means the two

[3:20:43] Voice 4: electronic means and a direct mail out in our bylaw then we're going to get notice out right

[3:20:50] Voice 4: and we're committing to an analog method obviously if there's another strike which we hope doesn't

[3:20:57] Voice 4: to happen soon we might have to you know i might put uh put us in a hypothetical um a little bit

[3:21:06] Voice 4: of buying there but we obviously we can't force the you know anyway is there any harm to putting

[3:21:13] Voice 4: it in in our bylaw that's i just want to sort of put something in our bylaw that is paper and

[3:21:18] Voice 4: analog and if that if we can do it then then i'm proposing that we do yeah

[3:21:23] Voice 13: i just think you're

[3:21:24] Voice 13: making it in my opinion making it harder for yourself because if you do that uh you can put

[3:21:29] Voice 13: more than two means in the bylaw that's permitted under 942 of the community charter but it also

[3:21:35] Voice 13: says that if you do adopt a bylaw then you must publish by the means specified in that bylaw so

[3:21:42] Voice 13: you can't pick and choose out of those three which you're going to use you've got to use all three

[3:21:47] Voice 13: um so if you're going to specify three then you have to use three the minimum is two so really

[3:21:53] Voice 13: really to reduce the burden and any potential problems, specify two that meet the requirements

[3:22:02] Voice 13: and the regulation for your community.

[3:22:04] Voice 13: And then those you will definitely use, and then if you want to go over and above that

[3:22:09] Voice 13: just for convenience of the community, you can do that.

[3:22:12] Voice 13: Those over and above would not be considered required advertising, they would just be to

[3:22:21] Voice 13: provide it as a convenience to the public as another means for them to see it

[3:22:27] Voice 21: yeah okay

[3:22:29] Voice 21: understood so um that being the case

[3:22:32] Voice 4: i i think that i my preference at this moment although

[3:22:36] Voice 4: certainly open to more discussion would be to use the islands trust website and a direct mail out

[3:22:44] Voice 4: as our two methodology in the bylaw and if i may

[3:22:52] Voice 13: through chair if you're going to specify direct

[3:22:55] Voice 13: direct mail out we need to be clear that that would be going to the owners of the

[3:22:58] Voice 13: property not the residents that's one thing to keep in mind is if we're

[3:23:04] Voice 13: mailing it it's going off the mail the information we have available on from

[3:23:10] Voice 13: the land title office on who owns the property so they would be receiving it

[3:23:14] Voice 13: the only way we can do direct mail other than that would be to like to residents

[3:23:20] Voice 13: residents would be either a bulk mail out which not everybody accepts or hand delivery to the

[3:23:28] Voice 13: residences which would be quite expensive for the island yeah

[3:23:33] Voice 4: if I could just respond to that the

[3:23:35] Voice 4: bulk mail out was what I was referring to before earlier as I as I said the rate I think went up

[3:23:43] Voice 4: from twenty dollars to thirty five dollars and that's to mail to every mailbox so I think that

[3:23:48] Voice 4: would cover residents um and

[3:23:53] Voice 13: if i made through a chair that would cover residents but wouldn't

[3:23:56] Voice 13: cover uh off-island landowners that might be renting property out just so you're aware of

[3:24:02] Voice 13: that so

[3:24:06] Voice 11: that's a good option let's just keep discussing the different mediums i had a question

[3:24:12] Voice 11: about the hotwire mail serve or the listserv how actively is that used i

[3:24:22] Voice 13: actually have no

[3:24:23] Voice 13: information and so i can't answer that question for you sorry no

[3:24:26] Voice 11: i'm talking to the local trustees

[3:24:28] Voice 11: oh

[3:24:29] Voice 4: okay so just for clarity hotwire is a facebook page but we also have an e

[3:24:34] Voice 4: an email community email list which is um i think more broadly used to i i certainly know a number

[3:24:43] Voice 4: of people that use that list that are not on uh any social media at all i'll just make that

[3:24:50] Voice 4: distinction um again is is if we're looking at um i mean i'm fine with using a couple of electronic

[3:25:04] Voice 4: means as long as we're making sure that we stipulate one analog mean in the bylaw sort of

[3:25:10] Voice 4: yeah

[3:25:11] Voice 11: i hear you um another option could could it be to have a standing resolution

[3:25:17] Voice 11: resolution that in addition to the, like I'm hesitant to put into a bylaw something that may

[3:25:26] Voice 11: be more administrative work or, you know, we eventually have to redo the bylaw because it

[3:25:35] Voice 11: didn't work. Like we know the Islands Trust website and social media are two reliable,

[3:25:41] Voice 11: accessible forms I'm wondering if a standing resolution to either do a mail

[3:25:50] Voice 11: out a bulk mail out or use the email listserv for public notification and

[3:25:59] Voice 11: that would be have to be what via one of the trustees perhaps because it's just

[3:26:07] Voice 11: it's gonna be hard to change the bylaw once this is in place so I just want to

[3:26:10] Voice 11: make sure that the bulk mail out is really actually suitable for the purpose that we're

[3:26:17] Voice 11: looking to establish the bylaw for. Trustee Peterson?

[3:26:34] Voice 21: Yeah, I don't want to take up all

[3:26:35] Voice 21: the airtime here, but I just want

[3:26:37] Voice 4: to reiterate that what I think I heard from the director is

[3:26:39] Voice 4: is that the only suitable analog methodology that we have available

[3:26:49] Voice 4: to put in the bylaw is the direct mail-out, unless I'm incorrect.

[3:26:57] Voice 4: And

[3:26:57] Voice 13: you are muted, sir.

[3:27:01] Voice 13: Yeah, I have a minute, Richard.

[3:27:02] Voice 13: Sorry, I led you astray.

[3:27:04] Voice 13: The regulation does actually specify that the means of publication

[3:27:08] Voice 13: is considered reliable if the publication takes place at least once a

[3:27:13] Voice 13: month so for the alternative publication you can use a paper or publication that

[3:27:21] Voice 13: publishes once a month the only downside is just how well that fits with your

[3:27:27] Voice 13: meeting schedule but if you were to say publish in a local once a paper and also

[3:27:36] Voice 13: in the Islands Trust website as long as that publication publishes before your

[3:27:44] Voice 13: meeting the website would meet the requirement to have the information

[3:27:50] Voice 13: available these three days and no more than ten days before the meeting so you

[3:27:57] Voice 13: would just have to schedule your meetings where you're making those

[3:28:01] Voice 13: decisions so that the publication can go ahead so it may mean that you might have

[3:28:06] Voice 13: to wait four or five weeks before you can actually have the meeting but it is possible so i wouldn't

[3:28:12] Voice 13: rule that one out if that's something you want to think about for the skinny but again just consider

[3:28:18] Voice 13: the logistics if you go with a once a month publication as a requirement thanks trustee

[3:28:27] Voice 11: peterson yeah

[3:28:28] Voice 4: well i appreciate that that clarity uh director marler because i think the once a

[3:28:33] Voice 4: month um the once a month publication um is probably administratively uh less hassle than

[3:28:42] Voice 4: a direct mail out um and it is analog so it redid it it ticks that box for me so i would be happy to

[3:28:51] Voice 4: um to to go with that if that's if that's permissible to go in the bylaw i'm perfectly

[3:28:56] Voice 4: happy with that i was just trying to make sure that we could specify an analog methodology in

[3:29:02] Voice 4: that's

[3:29:05] Voice 11: great so is there a name for the luskete local newspaper it

[3:29:16] Voice 21: is the huete news

[3:29:19] Voice 11: news so we'd be replacing second item two electronically by posting on social media

[3:29:27] Voice 11: platform with huete luskete news yeah

[3:29:33] Voice 13: you may just want to uh change that i don't think you

[3:29:39] Voice 13: need to specify the actual publication just say in a um what do you want to call it a newspaper

[3:29:47] Voice 13: publication that publishes at least once a month on the skidi island and i think that would be fine

[3:29:54] Voice 13: just in case the name changes or goes out of business and another paper takes over you don't

[3:30:00] Voice 13: going to have to change it by a lot great

[3:30:04] Voice 11: uh trustee laroni do you have any thoughts on

[3:30:10] Voice 11: mediums platforms publication frequency this is are you comfortable going in this direction

[3:30:18] Voice 9: yeah sorry i think zoom issues um yeah i mean i think the newspaper and the mail list are the

[3:30:25] Voice 9: most reliable the ones that have the most um leadership uh this is a good direction okay

[3:30:34] Voice 11: Okay. So publishing on the Islands Trust website and, sorry, Director Marler, if we can write up the wording of the...

[3:30:46] Voice 11: Oh,

[3:30:46] Voice 3: I took notes on that. I'll send that piece that he just mentioned.

[3:30:52] Voice 11: And this doesn't stop trustees from forwarding notices to the listserv. I think that, you know, that's part of our community.

[3:31:01] Voice 13: Yeah, that's fine.

[3:31:03] Voice 11: Okay. All right. Trustee Peterson is crafting a motion here. So we probably need a resolution.

[3:31:45] Voice 11: Yeah,

[3:31:45] Voice 21: we'll need a resolution to amend the draft, I guess, first, and then we'll do it as amended.

[3:31:50] Voice 13: Okay.

[3:31:51] Voice 21: Just trying to find that.

[3:31:53] Voice 13: Yeah, that would be my recommendation.

[3:31:55] Voice 13: recommendation. The by-law citation is here under 1, so that by-law 106, cited as Lusketia

[3:32:07] Voice 13: Island Local Trust Committee Public Notification By-law No. 106-2025, be amended by replacing

[3:32:14] Voice 13: two brackets, Roman numerals 2, the words electronically by posting the notice on Island's

[3:32:21] Voice 13: Trust social media platform with the words in a newspaper that publishes at least monthly

[3:32:29] Voice 13: on Liskety Island.

[3:32:32] Voice 13: I think that's all you need to do.

[3:32:34] Voice 8: Fantastic.

[3:32:40] Voice 11: Can you remember all that?

[3:32:43] Voice 21: I'll take my best stab at it, and I know that our

[3:32:48] Voice 5: meeting administrator is way ahead of

[3:32:50] Voice 5: me on this, but I move that.

[3:32:52] Voice 5: Oops.

[3:32:53] Voice 5: What if I don't?

[3:32:54] Voice 5: I

[3:32:57] Voice 21: move that Liskety Island Local Trust Committee Public Notification Bylaw No. 106 be amended by changing

[3:33:05] Voice 5: bullet 2ii from electronically by posting the notice on Island's Trust's social media platform to in a newspaper published at least once a month on Liskety Island.

[3:33:25] Voice 11: Just pause before I call for a seconder

[3:33:27] Voice 11: because there was some other wording

[3:33:29] Voice 11: that the director said

[3:33:32] Voice 11: after bylaw number 106

[3:33:35] Voice 11: I

[3:33:36] Voice 13: just had the date

[3:33:38] Voice 13: 2025 is part of the bylaw

[3:33:40] Voice 13: citation. We'll clean that up

[3:33:42] Voice 13: when we write it down

[3:33:44] Voice 13: It's okay

[3:33:45] Voice 11: 106-2025

[3:33:46] Voice 11: That

[3:33:47] Voice 13: sounded okay to me as written

[3:33:49] Voice 13: as read out, sorry

[3:33:52] Voice 11: I'll call for a seconder

[3:33:53] Voice 11: or any seconds any further discussion i

[3:33:59] Voice 4: just would say i appreciate um director marler being

[3:34:03] Voice 4: here to help us tussle through these uh these pieces and and i think it's really important

[3:34:10] Voice 4: that we're providing a an analog um uh a notification source in the bylaw itself so

[3:34:16] Voice 4: i really appreciate it thank you very

[3:34:19] Voice 11: good call for the vote all those in favor

[3:34:22] Voice 11: I just carried readings on page 42 and so you'll state as amended yeah

[3:34:39] Voice 13: and if I

[3:34:39] Voice 13: may chair could you start with the first one before the readings because that's a

[3:34:43] Voice 13: requirement that the local trust committee has turned its mind that the

[3:34:48] Voice 13: options provided reliable suitable and accessible and the best way to do that

[3:34:53] Voice 13: is just pass a resolution making that statement before you give the bylaw

[3:34:56] Voice 13: for second third reading thanks perfect

[3:35:00] Voice 11: go ahead I will

[3:35:03] Voice 21: start with the first

[3:35:04] Voice 21: motion I move that the Luskedia local trust committee considers that the

[3:35:11] Voice 21: notification methods in the draft

[3:35:13] Voice 4: bylaw 106 are as amended are reliable suitable

[3:35:19] Voice 4: and accessible for the Luskedia local trust area I

[3:35:24] Voice 11: have a seconder by trustee

[3:35:28] Voice 11: the roni any discussion okay all those in favor raise your hand or say aye that is carried number

[3:35:41] Voice 11: two

[3:35:42] Voice 8: mr peterson go ahead okay thank you

[3:35:52] Voice 5: i move that the liskiti local trust committee

[3:35:56] Voice 5: give a bylaw number 106 cited as liskiti local trust committee public notification bylaw number

[3:36:03] Voice 5: 106 2025 first reading as amended

[3:36:07] Voice 4: the

[3:36:12] Voice 8: second one about ronnie and profession doesn't favor

[3:36:19] Voice 8: raise your

[3:36:19] Voice 9: hand or say aye and that is carried to the ronnie sorry

[3:36:41] Voice 11: which one are we on here

[3:36:44] Voice 13: uh second the

[3:36:46] Voice 11: third motion it says second reading okay thank you

[3:36:50] Voice 9: i move that the

[3:36:52] Voice 9: the Laskiti Local Trust Committee give bylaw number 106 cited as Laskiti Local Trust Committee

[3:36:58] Voice 9: public notification bylaw second reading as amended.

[3:37:02] Voice 11: Thank you. Call for a seconder.

[3:37:05] Voice 11: Seconded by Trustee Peterson. Any further discussion? Call for the vote. All those in favor,

[3:37:11] Voice 11: raise your hand or say aye. That is carried. I

[3:37:20] Voice 21: move that the Laskiti Local Trust Committee

[3:37:22] Voice 21: give bylaw number 106 cited as Laskiti Local

[3:37:26] Voice 4: Trust Committee public notification bylaw number 10

[3:37:28] Voice 4: sorry number 106 2025 there's third reading as amended thank

[3:37:36] Voice 11: you call for a seconder

[3:37:38] Voice 11: for me any discussion in favor raise your hand or say aye

[3:37:46] Voice 11: all right

[3:37:49] Voice 9: i move

[3:37:51] Voice 11: that

[3:37:53] Voice 9: the local liscudi local trust committee forward bylaw number 106 cited

[3:37:58] Voice 9: as the Lascuti Local Trust Committee

[3:38:00] Voice 9: Public Notification By-law

[3:38:01] Voice 9: number 106-2025

[3:38:04] Voice 9: to the Islands Trust Executive

[3:38:06] Voice 9: Committee for consideration of approval

[3:38:08] Voice 9: as amended

[3:38:09] Voice 9: to the Islands Trust Executive Committee

[3:38:12] Voice 9: for consideration of approval.

[3:38:14] Voice 11: You should probably put in as amended after

[3:38:16] Voice 11: by-law number 106-2025.

[3:38:19] Voice 11: Did I miss here?

[3:38:20] Voice 9: Yeah, that was the correct second pass.

[3:38:23] Voice 11: Perfect. I'll call for a seconder.

[3:38:27] Voice 11: I will second.

[3:38:30] Voice 11: Any further discussion?

[3:38:33] Voice 11: all those in favor raise your hand

[3:38:35] Voice 11: with an aye

[3:38:37] Voice 11: yay it was carried

[3:38:39] Voice 11: okay we have

[3:38:40] Voice 11: two public notification bylaws

[3:38:44] Voice 11: thank you director Marler for all your

[3:38:45] Voice 11: help and work

[3:38:46] Voice 11: no

[3:38:48] Voice 13: problem thank you I'm going to drop out the meeting

[3:38:50] Voice 13: so enjoy the rest of the meeting

[3:38:51] Voice 13: thank you

[3:38:52] Voice 13: I

[3:38:53] Voice 11: really hope this supports the

[3:38:55] Voice 11: area in getting the information

[3:38:58] Voice 11: that they need

[3:39:00] Voice 11: and so I think this brings us

[3:39:03] Voice 11: to 13 point our staff reports uh we don't have a report from the conservancy there is an

[3:39:12] Voice 11: applications report on page 47 trustee and local expense reports are updated as of september 2025

[3:39:20] Voice 11: page 48 as usual are adopted policies and standing resolutions and so looking ahead to our work

[3:39:29] Voice 11: program. Page 51. Is there anything to discuss on the work program or any updates from staff?

[3:39:40] Voice 11: We do have our future projects, a major OCP and LUB review that is coming down the way. I'm sure

[3:39:46] Voice 11: it's very soon. No further questions. So our next regular meeting is scheduled for Monday,

[3:39:59] Voice 11: day february 9th 2026 at 11 a.m electronically via zoom and i guess we can wish everybody a

[3:40:11] Voice 11: happy end of the year and safe and wonderful holidays with your family and i'd like to call

[3:40:18] Voice 11: for adjournment okay trustee laroney moves to adjourn trustee peterson second any

[3:40:26] Voice 11: final

[3:40:28] Voice 11: final discussion. Best wishes to staff.

[3:40:32] Voice 21: Thanks, everybody. Have a great time off and

[3:40:37] Voice 21: see you all next year.

[3:40:39] Voice 8: Thank you.

[3:40:41] Voice 11: Move to adjourn.