Islands Trust Council community information meeting, December 9, 2025

[0:00:05] Voice 11: okay well welcome everybody good afternoon i'm going to call this uh meeting of the galliano

[0:00:11] Voice 11: island local trust committee to order please be advised we're recording the meeting and it'll be

[0:00:17] Voice 11: posted on the island stress website in a few days i want to begin the meeting today by acknowledging

[0:00:24] Voice 11: that we're fortunate to be able to gather here in the territory of coast salish peoples and in

[0:00:29] Voice 11: and in particular the Penelakut tribe,

[0:00:30] Voice 11: the stewards of these lands and waters

[0:00:33] Voice 11: since time immemorial.

[0:00:36] Voice 11: And I do want to acknowledge

[0:00:37] Voice 11: that the Galliano Local Trust Committee

[0:00:39] Voice 11: and Penelakut tribe have embarked on an important journey

[0:00:43] Voice 11: of relationship building over this term especially.

[0:00:46] Voice 11: The chief and council, the trustees and staff

[0:00:49] Voice 8: have all been part of coming together

[0:00:51] Voice 8: for this important work.

[0:00:52] Voice 8: And I really appreciate the work of each and every one of you

[0:00:56] Voice 8: to bring us where we are today

[0:00:57] Voice 8: and our joint commitment to keep working together so really appreciate that that good to see you

[0:01:04] Voice 8: here again ken um

[0:01:07] Voice 11: so with that uh my name is tim peterson i am elected on luskeedee island

[0:01:13] Voice 11: and i'm the appointed chair of the galliano island local trust committee joining us uh joining me

[0:01:18] Voice 11: today are local trustees lisa gobro and ben may bernie and our staff today we have our planner

[0:01:26] Voice 11: Kim Stocktoe, Joe Elliott, who's our Senior Indigenous Relations Advisor,

[0:01:32] Voice 8: and Jason Yeomans,

[0:01:34] Voice 8: who's a Senior Policy Advisor.

[0:01:38] Voice 11: And online, let me just check, I know our meeting in this

[0:01:43] Voice 11: bit is in large here. And yeah, I appreciate everyone being here today. So we have an agenda

[0:01:53] Voice 11: before us and I know we have an addendum that we need to reorder but I'll look to see if there's

[0:01:59] Voice 11: anything else trustee besides that piece. So

[0:02:03] Voice 11: let's put the addendum in at 16.1

[0:02:07] Voice 8: and then we'll

[0:02:09] Voice 8: reorder the other two as 16.2 and 3.

[0:02:15] Voice 11: So can I then take it by general consent we'll adopt the

[0:02:19] Voice 11: agenda as amended. And first off, we have trustee reports,

[0:02:25] Voice 11: who'd like to go first?

[0:02:29] Voice 11: Thank

[0:02:30] Voice 9: you, Chair. We just returned from a very productive

[0:02:34] Voice 9: trust council in Victoria. Budget discussions took up the

[0:02:38] Voice 9: lion's share of our three day meeting with final decisions and

[0:02:43] Voice 9: discussions and approval schedule for March trust

[0:02:47] Voice 9: council meeting which will be in duncan please feel free to reach out to me if you want to

[0:02:52] Voice 9: discuss any aspects of the budget or just to share your thoughts this meeting was a little different

[0:02:58] Voice 9: chair patrick invited the isles trust conservancy board joint council council fortunate to have

[0:03:05] Voice 9: vice chair and trustee smith together they offer valuable insight from the isles trust

[0:03:15] Voice 9: specificities perspective speaking of the idc idc recently delivered a public uh stewardship

[0:03:22] Voice 9: education webinar on species at risk on november 19th which is

[0:03:27] Voice 9: well very well received we have 88

[0:03:30] Voice 9: participants uh joined in live and as of this morning the recording is already renewed 74 times

[0:03:38] Voice 9: and it's on the Office Trust's YouTube page.

[0:03:42] Voice 9: While looking at

[0:03:44] Voice 9: our YouTube channel,

[0:03:45] Voice 9: I was reminded about how much content

[0:03:47] Voice 9: is available for the public to explore.

[0:03:50] Voice 9: It's clear that the public has already discovered it,

[0:03:53] Voice 9: giving the steady increase in viewers and followers

[0:03:56] Voice 9: over the past few months.

[0:03:58] Voice 9: The channel features everything

[0:03:59] Voice 9: from the Esquipay Mesquite Archaeological Project webinar,

[0:04:04] Voice 9: the first ever free budget public engagement session

[0:04:07] Voice 9: for the 2026-27 fiscal year and the recent Gambier Island community

[0:04:13] Voice 9: information meeting on the Trust Policy Statement. If you find yourself with a little

[0:04:18] Voice 9: extra time over the holidays and want to catch up on all the things on the Trust

[0:04:21] Voice 9: please visit the YouTube page. Speaking of excellent webinars, tomorrow

[0:04:28] Voice 9: Wednesday December 10th from 7 to 8 30 the Islands Trust Stewardship Education

[0:04:33] Voice 9: education webinar series again will host the protecting the shoreline uh sponsored our shared

[0:04:39] Voice 9: responsibility a session will cover climate impacts cultural significance of farm gardens

[0:04:46] Voice 9: practical steps that residents can take to support shoreline stability

[0:04:50] Voice 9: webinar will cover re-shore's best practices new shoreline farming mapping from the pacific

[0:04:59] Voice 9: Salmon Foundation, and they have cultural significance at plant gardens.

[0:05:05] Voice 9: Figures include experts from the Pacific Salmon Foundation,

[0:05:10] Voice 9: the Stewardship Center for BC, and members of the Malahat Nation.

[0:05:14] Voice 9: Registration is available on the Atlas Trust Stewardship Education webpage,

[0:05:19] Voice 9: where past webinar recordings can also be found.

[0:05:24] Voice 9: The Galliano Library

[0:05:26] Voice 9: has launched its newest title

[0:05:27] Voice 9: title in the one book for galliano program this year the committee will be reading monkey beach

[0:05:33] Voice 9: by a high flat author eden robinson the reading program invites community members to read and

[0:05:40] Voice 9: discuss an indigenous authored book they do it together as a small step to building

[0:05:46] Voice 9: shared understanding supporting reconciliation at a community level the galliano conservancy

[0:05:53] Voice 9: The university recently hosted the sixth annual Feed the People workshop on November 1st and 2nd.

[0:05:59] Voice 9: The workshop was led by a panel of Galeano Island instructors and focuses on the history, the cultural importance, and the conservation value of locally harvested venison.

[0:06:12] Voice 9: Participants learned hands-on techniques for safe preparation, skinning, deboning, tubing, grinding, packaging.

[0:06:20] Voice 9: The workshop also covers how different parts of the animals are used, as well as preservation

[0:06:26] Voice 9: methods and sausage making, canning, and it's a very important part of cultural learning,

[0:06:33] Voice 9: food sovereignty, and community connection.

[0:06:37] Voice 9: It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas from Galeana.

[0:06:40] Voice 9: Remember that last weekend began our series of Christmas markets hosted by the Galeana

[0:06:46] Voice 9: club, the Galeano Lions

[0:06:49] Voice 9: club, the North Galeano Community Association,

[0:06:54] Voice 9: couple of big treats and preserves and handmade crafts, etc.

[0:07:00] Voice 9: Lastly, I wanted to give a shout out to Ron and Pam Taylor for once again putting on the brightest and most colourful Christmas light display I've ever seen.

[0:07:11] Voice 9: every year it gets bigger and brighter and at this point i think that we see

[0:07:16] Voice 9: hydros to send them a fruit basket uh that's my

[0:07:21] Voice 9: trustee report uh we'll be using my office hours

[0:07:23] Voice 9: for most of the holidays uh which are from our mondays from my whole life thank you

[0:07:29] Voice 8: thank you

[0:07:30] Voice 7: yeah thanks um yeah i'm a i'm a grinch every year until until ron turns his lights on and

[0:07:40] Voice 7: you know okay right it's pretty nice and so uh yeah so we're on um i'm not sure i went to the

[0:07:48] Voice 7: same trust council meeting that lisa went to um you know for me this was the budget exercise this

[0:07:56] Voice 7: is where i thought we were going to have a serious discussion about trying to figure out what was a

[0:08:01] Voice 7: realistic budget for the audience trust the beginning of the meeting we had a report from

[0:08:06] Voice 7: the CAO outlining what he thought were necessary cuts and that we were going to have to undertake.

[0:08:18] Voice 7: One of those cuts is our OCP. It did not make it into the budget, our OCP review,

[0:08:23] Voice 7: and so that has been cut. I think every LTC is going to have to sacrifice something.

[0:08:35] Voice 7: It got, you know, pretty much a unanimous sort of support after that, after his report.

[0:08:44] Voice 7: And then we went into the budget and somehow forgot everything he said.

[0:08:49] Voice 7: And so here we are at another double-digit tax increase for the Islands Trust.

[0:08:55] Voice 7: trust. And I just don't see how that's sustainable. And I'm not sure how we support that. So it's

[0:09:07] Voice 7: going to be a difficult discussion, the approval of the budget. I got to give a congrats to

[0:09:13] Voice 7: the Conservancy. I mean, Tanner spoke really well. And a lot of the positions they were

[0:09:22] Voice 7: advocating for um they got in the budget and uh so congrats to the conservancy you know um i still

[0:09:32] Voice 7: think we're gonna have to find

[0:09:33] Voice 6: a way um

[0:09:35] Voice 7: to to bring the budget under control if we don't we're

[0:09:41] Voice 7: gonna we're gonna see double-digit tax increases for the foreseeable future i just don't particularly

[0:09:46] Voice 7: think that's sustainable and while i couldn't attend day three i was disappointed to to hear

[0:09:53] Voice 7: that they passed a resolution as well to forego the public consultation on the budget which

[0:10:01] Voice 7: isn't kind of mind-boggling considering the public is the one that has to pay the budget

[0:10:05] Voice 7: right so uh yeah like i say i'm not not quite as at the same meeting but um

[0:10:15] Voice 7: yeah we'll see how it goes at the next trust meeting so i know everybody is here to uh for

[0:10:21] Voice 7: for the community information meeting.

[0:10:22] Voice 7: So I'll allow for as much time as possible.

[0:10:28] Voice 7: Thank you, Trustee Baverly.

[0:10:30] Voice 11: For my chair's report, I'm also gonna talk briefly

[0:10:34] Voice 11: about trust council last week.

[0:10:38] Voice 11: We did trust council as a whole, not quite unanimously,

[0:10:44] Voice 11: but accepted the recommendations

[0:10:46] Voice 11: of the CAO's operational report.

[0:10:50] Voice 11: There's, I think, a really interesting look

[0:10:52] Voice 11: at some of the challenges that

[0:10:53] Voice 8: island's trust has been and continues to grapple with and his

[0:10:58] Voice 8: uh his proposed approach to trying to make some positive change um definitely budget impacts

[0:11:06] Voice 8: associated with that um both uh both additions to it and

[0:11:11] Voice 11: deletions from the proposed budget as it

[0:11:14] Voice 11: was um i agree after a couple of days we had uh spent a lot of a lot of time going back and forth

[0:11:23] Voice 11: on the on the items individually and um uh managed to bring it down only by two percent but as trustee

[0:11:32] Voice 11: maverly says it's it's still uncomfortably high and i don't think anyone in

[0:11:37] Voice 8: dress council was

[0:11:39] Voice 8: completely satisfied with where where we had to leave it when we ran out of time

[0:11:43] Voice 8: one

[0:11:44] Voice 11: of the factors that was interesting to me to note was that next fall's elections

[0:11:50] Voice 11: costs are estimated at about 227 000 which represents

[0:11:57] Voice 6: almost 2.3

[0:11:59] Voice 8: percent of of the

[0:12:00] Voice 8: of the proposed

[0:12:02] Voice 11: increase um but it's something we we can't not

[0:12:08] Voice 11: do uh so that that one's hard

[0:12:10] Voice 11: and

[0:12:11] Voice 10: also uh we all know that there was uh we had uh uh the bcgu strike action and then uh that's

[0:12:21] Voice 10: been resolved of course but um there are staff expenses that we're gonna have to grapple with

[0:12:28] Voice 10: and quite frankly the cost of everything as

[0:12:32] Voice 11: we all know is continues to rise um financial planning

[0:12:36] Voice 11: and committee will be meeting again in january and and then again in february to look at

[0:12:42] Voice 11: where the draft budget stands and to make some recommendations um to trust council one thing

[0:12:50] Voice 11: that is going to happen um for the first time which i think is actually a positive change is

[0:12:57] Voice 11: that uh in february the committee of the whole which is um theoretically comprised of all 26

[0:13:04] Voice 11: members of trust council have an

[0:13:06] Voice 10: opportunity to um discuss and debate the budget ahead of our march

[0:13:12] Voice 11: meeting where we must where we have to finalize the budget so i think actually having the

[0:13:17] Voice 11: opportunity to get all the trust council may may be useful to to at least have an additional time

[0:13:27] Voice 8: to to sort of

[0:13:29] Voice 8: try and wrangle the numbers down i don't i i think all trustees recognize that

[0:13:34] Voice 8: that double digits is hard for everyone to accept.

[0:13:38] Voice 8: Taxpayers, most of the trustees are taxpayers as well.

[0:13:44] Voice 8: And also just recognizing that, you know,

[0:13:47] Voice 8: people for the people in our communities,

[0:13:49] Voice 8: the tax burden is, it's not easy for everyone to carry

[0:13:53] Voice 8: and it's particularly hard for some people to carry.

[0:13:59] Voice 8: But I do think that committee,

[0:14:00] Voice 8: the whole meeting is at

[0:14:02] Voice 11: least provides another opportunity

[0:14:04] Voice 11: so that we don't feel quite as rushed at March trust counts.

[0:14:09] Voice 11: And then finally, tomorrow, Vice-Chair Maude and I are going to be meeting

[0:14:14] Voice 11: with federal representatives from Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada

[0:14:19] Voice 11: discussing the consultation process for cell towers.

[0:14:25] Voice 11: I'm actually pleasantly surprised that they proactively reached out

[0:14:29] Voice 11: and offered this opportunity to Ireland's Trust,

[0:14:32] Voice 3: because

[0:14:33] Voice 11: we all know the process leaves a lot to be desired

[0:14:36] Voice 8: in terms of the public consultation

[0:14:38] Voice 8: in our local communities i'm maybe asking some pretty pointed questions um at that meeting

[0:14:44] Voice 8: unfortunately uh

[0:14:46] Voice 11: while they offered the meeting they didn't offer uh flexibility on the date so

[0:14:51] Voice 11: the executive committee only the two of us are able to attend and

[0:14:56] Voice 8: um and staff have a prior

[0:14:59] Voice 8: uh meeting so unfortunately none of the staff are going to be able to attend which is

[0:15:04] Voice 11: not how i would have chosen to be uh but there we are um so again i'm gonna

[0:15:11] Voice 11: i'll conclude there because we have lots of other stuff to

[0:15:14] Voice 8: get to today

[0:15:16] Voice 8: um no electoral area directors report today but we do have uh first nations

[0:15:24] Voice 8: report spot there and i don't know ken if you have anything you want to share with us today or

[0:15:32] Voice 8: Yeah, thank you everyone for gathering again today to sort through some issues and I'm just glad to be back.

[0:15:43] Voice 8: It seems like I haven't been around for a while. I was here for a little while to get some stuff for the freezer, but I never got to do any work or business.

[0:15:52] Voice 8: So it's good to see everyone again, and I'm here for any questions or any concerns coming up.

[0:16:08] Voice 3: Okay,

[0:16:10] Voice 11: so next we have the town hall and questions section.

[0:16:17] Voice 11: I just want to remind everyone, it's going to be followed by the community information on the policy statement.

[0:16:25] Voice 11: so let's keep this town hall section on other local trust committee business and we'll hold

[0:16:32] Voice 11: all of the policy statement questions till we move to the community information meeting

[0:16:35] Voice 11: uh so ideally what's on our agenda today um secondarily business that'll be coming up for

[0:16:44] Voice 11: the ltc and you know the tertiary is is other items so uh let's look for a show of hands and

[0:16:51] Voice 11: see how many people want to speak not about the policy statement but about other business

[0:16:57] Voice 11: okay just one or two all right um and so just in the interest of keeping us moving i'm going

[0:17:05] Voice 11: to be using a three minute timer and uh try and keep us moving

[0:17:09] Voice 8: along because i have a sense that

[0:17:10] Voice 8: we're going to have lots in the community information meeting so please go ahead yeah

[0:17:14] Voice 2: i just want to follow up a bit on what uh trustee mayberry said about public consultation it's been

[0:17:21] Voice 2: my experience in life that when you talk to people about what their concerns are and you

[0:17:28] Voice 2: have genuine public consultation you will learn a lot of really good information and you will make

[0:17:34] Voice 2: better decisions so i strongly encourage the trust this ltc but the whole trust to have better and

[0:17:43] Voice 2: more extensive public consultation on all the big decisions the budget i'm shocked but nevertheless

[0:17:50] Voice 2: i wasn't there for day three either and including the policy statement but everything else so we

[0:17:57] Voice 2: just haven't had enough and we've got really smart people here who could help thank you

[0:18:03] Voice 6: well thank you for that

[0:18:04] Voice 10: and i will note that one of the items in the cao's operational report that

[0:18:10] Voice 10: he recommended

[0:18:10] Voice 11: was to establish a communications and engagement manager so because i think

[0:18:20] Voice 11: i think widely throughout the organization there's there's a recommendation or a

[0:18:24] Voice 8: recognition that

[0:18:27] Voice 8: we're not doing a fantastic job um and so that was reflected there anyone else

[0:18:33] Voice 11: not on the policy statement sandy yeah

[0:18:37] Voice 2: i was just

[0:18:37] Voice 8: uh so i have two things i want to talk about but

[0:18:41] Voice 8: one of them is the budget and now you're just mentioning a new communications and engagement

[0:18:49] Voice 8: And staff take up well over 7% of the total budget, and in my experience as a trustee

[0:18:57] Voice 8: for 10 years, there was always requests for more staff.

[0:19:01] Voice 8: The Stantec report in 2007 recommended that there be a reduction in staff, and then staff

[0:19:07] Voice 8: took it over, and then there was a 25% increase in staff.

[0:19:11] Voice 8: and a lot of the times while i was trustee there was always a request for more money

[0:19:17] Voice 8: for consultants for more staff and we mostly turned it down because we didn't want more

[0:19:23] Voice 8: staff because we thought there was enough to do what was needed to be done so i'm wondering how

[0:19:29] Voice 8: much money is you know over last year and the year before spent on staff and uh how that's

[0:19:37] Voice 8: than we dealt with well

[0:19:39] Voice 11: i don't have the numbers handy here but i would just identify

[0:19:45] Voice 8: that the

[0:19:46] Voice 8: types of concerns that you just raised were also raised at trust council um you know the trick is

[0:19:57] Voice 11: to not overburden staff then trust council and trustees have to stop

[0:20:04] Voice 11: asking them to do so much and that's also as you

[0:20:09] Voice 11: might remember not

[0:20:11] Voice 8: necessarily easily accomplished

[0:20:12] Voice 8: right so yeah did you have you had a second question yeah

[0:20:15] Voice 2: i'm talking about cell towers

[0:20:17] Voice 2: i mean you know there is i mean

[0:20:20] Voice 8: it's offering consultation is offered but you know like we

[0:20:23] Voice 8: had that and there was no letter of consensus because i thought that we don't have any

[0:20:28] Voice 8: jurisdiction an industry candidate went ahead and put a cell tower up so you know not that i

[0:20:35] Voice 8: you know a lot of the neighbors were concerned and so you know i tend to uh pay attention to

[0:20:43] Voice 8: what neighbors say and uh anyway so they just wanted to put it up anyway which they had every

[0:20:49] Voice 8: right to do we have no jurisdiction they don't need a letter of consensus from us and i don't

[0:20:57] Voice 3: Well, I

[0:20:58] Voice 11: appreciate where you're coming from on that.

[0:21:04] Voice 11: I had a couple

[0:21:08] Voice 8: of the LTCs that I'm chairing have had some Seltown Tower things.

[0:21:13] Voice 8: And I guess the main thing for me is I went and looked through a bunch of their rules yesterday.

[0:21:19] Voice 8: yesterday and um and so i have

[0:21:23] Voice 11: questions on how our communities can uh because we can stipulate

[0:21:30] Voice 11: the types of consultations that they're obligated to do however you're correct they we don't have

[0:21:37] Voice 11: the final say i said

[0:21:39] Voice 8: has the final say at all maybe location and that's well i'm certain but

[0:21:44] Voice 8: this one for them but anyway yeah and

[0:21:48] Voice 11: i also don't want to i don't want to get too deep into

[0:21:50] Voice 11: to the subject but i think one of the problems is is that they do a um an application by an

[0:21:56] Voice 11: application approach whereas uh i think a better approach might be to look at where our you know

[0:22:05] Voice 11: the community was able to identify here's some sites that we think are reasonable and uh and

[0:22:13] Voice 11: we'll we'll get the coverage rather than this so it's always this one-off thing i think that that's

[0:22:19] Voice 11: not a good planning approach for no matter what type of infrastructure it is so

[0:22:23] Voice 8: are they looking

[0:22:24] Voice 8: for letters of consensus from the LPC which they don't need I

[0:22:29] Voice 11: don't think they're going to change

[0:22:31] Voice 11: their program um but we can always tell them what we don't like

[0:22:35] Voice 8: okay I

[0:22:37] Voice 11: know there was other

[0:22:38] Voice 11: questions or you had something

[0:22:40] Voice 8: yeah I

[0:22:40] Voice 6: had a question about on two items one um district

[0:22:46] Voice 6: District law 85 and 86 rejoins before the LPC today.

[0:22:54] Voice 6: I have numerous questions.

[0:22:57] Voice 6: I mean, the comment would be disappointing

[0:23:00] Voice 6: that the map, the layout is totally in violation

[0:23:06] Voice 6: of what the policy originally was

[0:23:09] Voice 6: involving the exchange

[0:23:13] Voice 8: of land for higher density

[0:23:15] Voice 6: to

[0:23:15] Voice 8: a density of one house per five acres.

[0:23:18] Voice 3: The

[0:23:18] Voice 6: rural residential heritage forest option completely,

[0:23:23] Voice 6: if you look at the map on District Law 85,

[0:23:26] Voice 6: there's a tiny little piece of waterfront.

[0:23:29] Voice 6: The entire property is in,

[0:23:35] Voice 6: the entire waterfront, virtually the entire waterfront

[0:23:39] Voice 8: is not

[0:23:42] Voice 6: transferred

[0:23:43] Voice 6: to an organization that would be involved in conserving in this case the Penelope.

[0:23:53] Voice 6: I don't understand how this has transpired, why the staff weren't in a position to

[0:24:01] Voice 6: willing to jawbone the applicants into drawing up their maps appropriately in terms of the

[0:24:09] Voice 6: what the uh the policy historically was anyway i won't go on i made this point before my i have

[0:24:16] Voice 6: a question about about it which is

[0:24:18] Voice 8: um the the package refers to sustainable forestry covenant

[0:24:22] Voice 8: having been uh drawn up and shown to the ltc it's not in the it's not in the package i'm wondering

[0:24:29] Voice 8: with uh which third party is involved in this sustainable forest recovery um it hasn't been

[0:24:39] Voice 8: released to the ltc yet the applicant has provided it to staff but if the applicant wants to speak to

[0:24:46] Voice 8: who the third party yeah we've offered the uh covering holder to be the conservancy

[0:24:53] Voice 8: for the for the um forestry covenants so the conservancy would hold the company

[0:25:04] Voice 6: both of them same

[0:25:07] Voice 6: okay thank you my other point uh my other question is uh is on the the

[0:25:14] Voice 6: palmberg uh palmberg application and i'm just curious why in citing the various uh the planner

[0:25:22] Voice 6: The planner summarizes the input that we received from various agencies on on this on

[0:25:30] Voice 8: the application

[0:25:32] Voice 8: on the amendment, the land use amendment and in most cases it was either there was no response

[0:25:41] Voice 8: received or interests unaffected, but for some reason, I don't know what that is, but

[0:25:47] Voice 8: I'd like to get some clarity here.

[0:25:50] Voice 8: The input

[0:25:54] Voice 6: from the Ministry of Municipal Affairs of Housing

[0:25:56] Voice 6: was not included in the planner's report.

[0:26:01] Voice 6: And it's quite an interesting piece of input

[0:26:04] Voice 6: where they express concern about land use changes,

[0:26:12] Voice 8: which on residential, it's a residentially zoned property,

[0:26:15] Voice 8: and there is no intent to create a

[0:26:20] Voice 8: residence on the property, but

[0:26:22] Voice 6: their concern expressed

[0:26:22] Voice 6: concern that they may have potential to indirectly limit long-term housing availability, expanding

[0:26:29] Voice 6: non-residential uses on rural designated lands, i.e. agricultural uses in this case, may reduce

[0:26:37] Voice 6: the future potential for residential development, particularly in island communities with limited

[0:26:42] Voice 6: of land

[0:26:42] Voice 8: supply uh i would encourage the local trust committee to consider uh how this policy

[0:26:50] Voice 8: change fits within ghana's broader housing needs and then you should

[0:26:54] Voice 3: point to very interesting

[0:26:54] Voice 3: yeah close

[0:26:55] Voice 8: public hearing oh safety bylaw um 296.

[0:26:59] Voice 6: oh yes thank you

[0:27:00] Voice 6: yeah

[0:27:00] Voice 8: it's reason why is the official community plan is with the ministry and we've already held

[0:27:08] Voice 8: the public hearing for that and so that's why actually comments about the ocp or making the

[0:27:14] Voice 8: staff report because they're post-public hearings but they were included in the referral list which

[0:27:19] Voice 8: is a step attached to staff report so the ministry of housing and municipal affairs or comments are

[0:27:25] Voice 8: there

[0:27:26] Voice 1: it's just in the

[0:27:27] Voice 8: attachment not directly in the staff report because i didn't want to open up

[0:27:31] Voice 8: conversation about the ocp which is post-public yeah

[0:27:34] Voice 6: there were another after

[0:27:36] Voice 6: that because i

[0:27:37] Voice 6: thought this was in relation to the proposal yeah so

[0:27:42] Voice 8: when we send out our uh referrals we said we

[0:27:45] Voice 8: both said both the language and the ocp together in one referral so some agencies commented on

[0:27:53] Voice 8: both by law is perhaps only common to them.

[0:28:00] Voice 8: Sorry, when did you do the land use by law?

[0:28:03] Voice 3: It

[0:28:04] Voice 8: was back in the fall.

[0:28:13] Voice 8: The OCP

[0:28:14] Voice 8: only went to the ministry.

[0:28:15] Voice 8: Yeah, I know. We don't need to kind of explain where this was

[0:28:23] Voice 8: going. You know, the land

[0:28:30] Voice 9: use file was

[0:28:30] Voice 8: included in the

[0:28:31] Voice 8: referral. Back me up.

[0:28:33] Voice 8: Yeah, it was so when we sent out the referral, we do a

[0:28:46] Voice 8: blurb on each bylaw that when it impacts and then we also provide a link to the website which

[0:28:54] Voice 8: provides all the staff reports and comments received uh to the lgc's report absolutely

[0:29:00] Voice 8: Absolutely.

[0:29:03] Voice 8: No,

[0:29:03] Voice 2: we included it all in one.

[0:29:05] Voice 2: It wasn't a

[0:29:05] Voice 8: perfect hearing.

[0:29:07] Voice 8: That's correct. No, we haven't had that yet.

[0:29:09] Voice 8: Okay, so there will be one.

[0:29:11] Voice 8: There it is.

[0:29:11] Voice 8: That's more where

[0:29:12] Voice 6: I was going.

[0:29:14] Voice 6: The staff report that I've

[0:29:16] Voice 10: read, I'm just going to pause you for a minute there because

[0:29:21] Voice 11: you've been well over two sections of speaking now and time-wise.

[0:29:24] Voice 11: I'm going to look and see if there's anyone else wants to speak not on the policy statement but other items on the agenda

[0:29:32] Voice 11: Jennifer yeah,

[0:29:34] Voice 8: I'm just just to follow up on what art said. Yeah, it was my understanding. There would be

[0:29:39] Voice 8: The LEP would be presented

[0:29:43] Voice 8: Separately from the OCP. I'm still a little bit confused about what you're saying Kim

[0:29:48] Voice 8: So when our

[0:29:49] Voice 8: bylaws were sent out to referrals or to agencies and first nations

[0:29:55] Voice 8: And then after that, we had the public hearing just for the OCP.

[0:30:00] Voice 8: right and the reason

[0:30:01] Voice 8: why we didn't do the land use bylaw public hearing because the applicant

[0:30:05] Voice 8: still has to provide more information and that's what we're waiting for right now before we proceed

[0:30:10] Voice 8: with public hearing for the land use bylaw yeah so there's still going to be a community

[0:30:14] Voice 8: information meeting and a public hearing for the land use bylaw

[0:30:20] Voice 11: point of clarification yeah briefly sir

[0:30:23] Voice 6: are you saying that the

[0:30:25] Voice 6: page uh page 92

[0:30:28] Voice 8: you're saying that the summary of referral responses

[0:30:32] Voice 8: uh is only only

[0:30:36] Voice 6: is to do with bylaw 297 which is the ocpm they're

[0:30:43] Voice 8: applicable to 296 and 297

[0:30:45] Voice 8: but what happened is that the one uh referral that comment commented specifically on the ocp

[0:30:53] Voice 8: bylaw 296 that wasn't included in the staff report it was a it's attached in the referral list

[0:31:03] Voice 6: i'm just i don't understand

[0:31:04] Voice 8: why there's no staff report but maybe i'm just missing

[0:31:07] Voice 8: i just responded okay let's move on um

[0:31:11] Voice 11: anything else not to do with the policy statement

[0:31:15] Voice 11: jennifer sorry

[0:31:16] Voice 8: i just had a second question could you just um elaborate on why um there

[0:31:23] Voice 8: There won't be any public consultation on the budget?

[0:31:26] Voice 8: What the reason was for that decision?

[0:31:30] Voice 7: Well, I can comment on what I would have done

[0:31:32] Voice 7: if a motion had been made at the trust council,

[0:31:37] Voice 7: I would have voted against it.

[0:31:40] Voice 7: There should be public consultation on the budget.

[0:31:42] Voice 7: I wasn't in attendance for the third day of the meeting

[0:31:45] Voice 7: and this was done on the third day of meeting.

[0:31:46] Voice 7: So probably be some of that.

[0:31:49] Voice 7: I

[0:31:49] Voice 11: don't mind making a comment there.

[0:31:51] Voice 11: and and one of the rationales that i heard i'm not making a valid judgment on that rationale

[0:31:58] Voice 11: is that past budget surveys have gone out and trust council has heard from the public

[0:32:10] Voice 11: and proceeded to do what they were going to do and so there was questions about the value of

[0:32:17] Voice 11: of seeking input and proceeding and like to spend money,

[0:32:25] Voice 11: to spend money to go seek input that was,

[0:32:30] Voice 11: there was

[0:32:30] Voice 3: no evidence that

[0:32:32] Voice 11: it made any difference

[0:32:33] Voice 11: in the final budget.

[0:32:34] Voice 11: So that was one of the rationales that was expressed

[0:32:37] Voice 11: at trust council.

[0:32:38] Voice 11: Again, I'm not making a value judgment on that,

[0:32:40] Voice 8: but that's one of the things I heard.

[0:32:42] Voice 8: I don't know if you have anything to add.

[0:32:44] Voice 8: Yeah,

[0:32:44] Voice 9: it's an extremely tight budget year.

[0:32:47] Voice 9: and we thought that there's other options for engagement with the public like i've said in my

[0:32:51] Voice 9: report come see me to talk about the budget right if we need to do something ourselves here

[0:32:58] Voice 9: communities to receive that feedback and engage with you we'll do it right but we have made these

[0:33:04] Voice 9: decisions based on looking at the full budget which i think you would probably have made the

[0:33:10] Voice 9: same decision if you're sitting on the seat i know an engagement is really important we did

[0:33:14] Voice 9: pre-engagement with the survey it's the first time we've ever done that we tried something new

[0:33:20] Voice 9: and with what the information available to us at that time that was the decision that council

[0:33:27] Voice 9: decided but yeah i mean obviously come see me i bet there's an office on island we can set up time

[0:33:35] Voice 9: to meet

[0:33:36] Voice 8: this is a

[0:33:37] Voice 8: major budget meeting in march the

[0:33:40] Voice 11: major budget meeting is march as i mentioned

[0:33:42] Voice 11: my chair's report um financial planning committee is going to meet twice and there'll be a committee

[0:33:47] Voice 11: of the whole prior to the march budget meeting march is when the final decision has to be made

[0:33:53] Voice 10: february trust council through the committee of all is going to have an opportunity for more

[0:33:56] Voice 10: debate my sense is that some really hard decisions are going to have to be made if

[0:34:03] Voice 11: we're going to be

[0:34:03] Voice 11: able to get this budget below double digits i i really don't know how it's going to go to be

[0:34:12] Voice 8: be honest um

[0:34:13] Voice 3: i

[0:34:14] Voice 8: i i'd like to give you some enthusiastic and hopeful words but

[0:34:19] Voice 8: but it's just so hard to say yeah i would just recommend that people read it the

[0:34:25] Voice 8: cao's operational review i mean it's quite interesting and and not difficult to read

[0:34:31] Voice 8: and i think it does do a good job of playing out the challenges that are before the trust so

[0:34:39] Voice 8: Yeah,

[0:34:40] Voice 10: I agree. I think everyone I heard at Trust Council really appreciated

[0:34:46] Voice 11: that within just barely a year of being in the CAO position, he's done a pretty substantial look at how we're doing business and made some recommendations that he feels can help us with the challenges that we are having.

[0:35:05] Voice 11: and many of them have been ongoing for years um so i like my personal feeling is having some fresh

[0:35:11] Voice 11: eyes come in at the top of the staff level the organization and really taking a hard look at

[0:35:18] Voice 11: some of the stuff is it's refreshing and i'm glad we have a ceo that's willing to

[0:35:23] Voice 8: do that and and

[0:35:25] Voice 8: and not adverse to change?

[0:35:28] Voice 8: Mr. Mayor.

[0:35:29] Voice 8: Yeah,

[0:35:29] Voice 7: I personally feel we do this wrong.

[0:35:34] Voice 7: The reality is we should be presented with a base budget

[0:35:37] Voice 7: and anything that we want to add to it,

[0:35:39] Voice 7: we should have to negotiate and vote on.

[0:35:42] Voice 7: One of the disturbing parts that I saw

[0:35:44] Voice 7: in this budget process is we saw a chair

[0:35:48] Voice 7: who essentially just bumped through items

[0:35:52] Voice 7: without looking for any discussion.

[0:35:57] Voice 7: So to me, we should get a baseline budget,

[0:36:00] Voice 7: all of the add-ons should be negotiated on.

[0:36:02] Voice 7: So people got to make their case

[0:36:04] Voice 7: and get the votes to put those things in the budget.

[0:36:07] Voice 7: And I think it would be a much more open

[0:36:09] Voice 7: and transparent process

[0:36:10] Voice 7: because then at least it's on record, right?

[0:36:12] Voice 7: We're being recorded, even see what that looks like.

[0:36:16] Voice 7: Just having the chair, I mean,

[0:36:19] Voice 7: one of the trustees tried to make a motion.

[0:36:21] Voice 7: They said, well, let's just take a straw poll.

[0:36:22] Voice 7: and i mean that is not a as far as i'm concerned a parliamentary way to do the budget well i think

[0:36:30] Voice 11: what i was going to say is one of the things that uh was pointed out in the operational review is

[0:36:36] Voice 11: um there has been desire and there has been work done towards changing the way we approach

[0:36:43] Voice 11: uh our budgeting and our and our work planning um to what i don't love the term corporate plan

[0:36:50] Voice 11: But I understand that the more disciplined approach that that idea encompasses, that's the new model that Trust Council is committed to changing to, which is integrating that we're planning this much money and we can do this much things.

[0:37:10] Voice 11: and essentially committing um to a more disciplined and integrated approach that we're not

[0:37:19] Voice 11: sort of high in the sky what would be nice to have and then trying to figure out how we're gonna

[0:37:25] Voice 11: fund it so you know the hope and the dream is that that is that's realized um and in reality

[0:37:34] Voice 11: it's not going to be until you know the next term that it's really in place but so that it's not

[0:37:40] Voice 11: sort of the scattershot approach um as metro member of the financial planning committee i

[0:37:46] Voice 11: would just say it's it's it's a frustrating process to um meet repeatedly make budget

[0:37:55] Voice 11: recommendations to trust council and trust council does whatever it wants with the recommendations

[0:38:02] Voice 11: and then at the end of the day it's like well this is still too high and then they send it

[0:38:06] Voice 11: back to financial planning committee who again puts work into it and then it goes but you know

[0:38:11] Voice 11: it's this back and forth process and i'm i'm not sure how productive all of it feels to everybody

[0:38:17] Voice 11: that's involved but let's say there's some frustration anyway we

[0:38:22] Voice 1: need to move on uh

[0:38:23] Voice 11: anything else not

[0:38:24] Voice 11: on the policy statement and then we can get into the community information

[0:38:28] Voice 11: meeting when we're there any anybody else okay all right then so we're going to um

[0:38:38] Voice 11: I'm going to move into the community information meeting.

[0:38:41] Voice 11: Did we recess the regular meeting to go in?

[0:38:43] Voice 11: No, we don't.

[0:38:43] Voice 11: Not for CI.

[0:38:44] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:38:46] Voice 10: So I'm

[0:38:46] Voice 11: going to put a bunch of this to skip.

[0:38:55] Voice 11: So before we get into the community information meeting,

[0:38:58] Voice 11: I just have a couple of things I want to share with you.

[0:39:02] Voice 11: As chair, my responsibility, which is shared with local trustees,

[0:39:07] Voice 11: is to ensure that this meeting is respectful, inclusive,

[0:39:10] Voice 11: and culturally safe space for everyone and what that means is we're going to speak respectfully

[0:39:15] Voice 11: there is no place for racism stereotypes or comments that target indigenous peoples or any

[0:39:21] Voice 11: group in community we're going to acknowledge concerns and questions without causing harm

[0:39:30] Voice 11: and what that means is it's perfectly valid to ask questions and see clarity and express

[0:39:38] Voice 11: express uncertainty, and it's equally valid for Indigenous community members to speak

[0:39:45] Voice 11: to their experiences and their expectations of respectful relationship.

[0:39:51] Voice 11: And we will uphold cultural safety, which means that we recognize that public meetings

[0:39:58] Voice 11: have not always been safe or welcoming spaces for Indigenous people.

[0:40:02] Voice 11: And that includes giving space for Indigenous voices, being mindful of how language affects

[0:40:08] Voice 11: people and addressing harmful comments if they arise and then finally we're going to keep this

[0:40:17] Voice 11: conversation constructive every participant brings valuable opinions ideas knowledge and

[0:40:25] Voice 11: lived experience and we want to hear from everybody and we also want to make sure that

[0:40:31] Voice 11: everyone feels comfortable speaking so we ask that you do not boo clap or make comments

[0:40:39] Voice 11: comments to other people's questions or opinions so just i know i know i've we've got a pretty good

[0:40:47] Voice 11: crowd here and i think it's a pretty respectful crowd um but i

[0:40:51] Voice 8: just want to make sure that we've

[0:40:51] Voice 8: set the ground rules in a way that we all understand um where we're coming from here

[0:40:59] Voice 11: so work to update the island trust policy statement has been underway since 2019

[0:41:06] Voice 11: 19 and we have received a lot of feedback up to this point from community members from

[0:41:17] Voice 11: indigenous governing bodies and the agencies and organizations who we work with and the

[0:41:25] Voice 11: purpose of this meeting is to help your trustees formulate a response to island trust council

[0:41:29] Voice 11: about the draft policy statement on behalf of the galliano island local trust me

[0:41:33] Voice 11: me um so we're going to begin with a presentation by staff followed by a q a section and that's

[0:41:44] Voice 11: where we'll hear your comments and questions so we're going to do the presentation so hold

[0:41:48] Voice 11: any questions until the presentation's over please and

[0:41:52] Voice 8: let's see and i think we'll just

[0:41:58] Voice 8: leave it there for now so over to jason yeoman sir thank you chair good afternoon everybody

[0:42:06] Voice 8: My name is Jason

[0:42:07] Voice 5: Yeomans. I'm Senior Policy Advisor with the Islands Trust. I've been

[0:42:10] Voice 5: helping provide project management and policy development advice on this project for the

[0:42:15] Voice 5: past year. I've worked for the Islands Trust since

[0:42:18] Voice 8: 2013, mostly as a land use planner.

[0:42:20] Voice 8: Until recently, I'd also lived on Salt Spring Island for more than a decade across Trincomalee

[0:42:25] Voice 8: Channel there, so I know a little bit about island life, at

[0:42:28] Voice 5: least. Before getting into

[0:42:33] Voice 5: the policy statement project itself today, I want to provide a quick introduction to

[0:42:36] Voice 5: work that the Islands Trust does and often needs to precede any discussion

[0:42:40] Voice 6: about

[0:42:41] Voice 5: the policy statement

[0:42:42] Voice 5: itself. For those of you who've been following this project closely over the last little while,

[0:42:46] Voice 5: you'll have seen this presentation before. If you've not been following closely hopefully you'll

[0:42:50] Voice 5: find some helpful nuggets of information therein.

[0:42:54] Voice 8: Islands Trust is a special purpose government

[0:42:56] Voice 8: responsible for the planning and land use management decisions in the Islands Trust area.

[0:43:10] Voice 8: The Islands Trust has its best to preserve and protect these 450 islands in the Salish

[0:43:15] Voice 8: Sea.

[0:43:16] Voice 8: They are grouped into 13 local trust areas, which each have their own local trust committee

[0:43:20] Voice 8: that makes land use decisions for that group of islands using the land use planning authorities

[0:43:24] Voice 5: under Part 14 of the Bill of Governments.

[0:43:27] Voice 5: There's also one island municipality in the Islands Trust area, Owen Island, which has a municipal council and all the powers of a regular municipality, and it has two members that sit at the trust council table.

[0:43:41] Voice 5: When all 26 elected Islands Trust trustees come together, they do so as the Islands Trust Council to take into account planning for the region as a whole.

[0:43:49] Voice 5: The Islands Trust is a unique form of government, it's neither a municipality nor a regional district, it's a special type of government for a special place.

[0:43:57] Voice 5: The Islands Trust was created in

[0:43:58] Voice 8: 1974 by the government of British Columbia to protect these

[0:44:01] Voice 8: islands and their unique ecosystems and lifestyles from the rampant over-development that was

[0:44:06] Voice 8: starting to emerge in the form of small-lot subdivisions on several of the islands.

[0:44:10] Voice 8: The Islands Trust was established under the Islands Trust Act with a mandate for an object,

[0:44:15] Voice 5: as the London Association says, to preserve and protect the trust area and its unique amenities

[0:44:21] Voice 5: and environment for the benefit of the residents of the trust area and of British Columbia generally

[0:44:25] Voice 5: loop in cooperation with municipalities, regional districts, improvement districts, First Nations

[0:44:31] Voice 5: and other persons and organizations in the government of British Columbia. And that

[0:44:35] Voice 6: object

[0:44:36] Voice 5: underpins all of the work that I

[0:44:39] Voice 8: wrote for the trustees and their staff.

[0:44:42] Voice 8: Within the Islands Trust Act you'll find Section 15 which states that the Islands Trust Council must

[0:44:47] Voice 8: by by-law adopt a

[0:44:49] Voice 5: trust policy statement that applies to the trust area. So we're obligated

[0:44:53] Voice 5: under provincial legislation to create the policy statement.

[0:44:57] Voice 8: The trust policy statement must be a general statement of the policies of the trust council

[0:45:01] Voice 8: to carry out the object of the trust, and it may establish different policies for different

[0:45:06] Voice 8: parts of the trust area.

[0:45:10] Voice 8: The first Islands Trust Policy Statement was adopted in 1975.

[0:45:14] Voice 8: The current trust policy statement has been in force since 1993, and it has changed, not

[0:45:20] Voice 8: just in the Islands Trust area, but in Canada and the wider world since then.

[0:45:23] Voice 8: In 2019, the Islands Trust Council decided it was time to update the policy statement

[0:45:28] Voice 8: to better help Islands Trust navigate today's challenges and tomorrow's opportunities.

[0:45:34] Voice 5: This image here shows sort of the hierarchy of Islands Trust planning documents.

[0:45:39] Voice 5: The policy statement is the highest level land use planning document or policy document

[0:45:43] Voice 5: that the Islands Trust has and from it flow the official community plans and land use

[0:45:48] Voice 5: by-laws that you have on Galliano Island and on all the other islands within the local

[0:45:53] Voice 5: Local

[0:45:53] Voice 8: Trust Area. Official community plans in the Islands Trust Area must be consistent

[0:45:59] Voice 8: with the Policy Statement. The exact language is that they must not be contrary to or at

[0:46:04] Voice 8: variance with the Policy

[0:46:05] Voice 5: Statement according to the Islands Trust Act. And then your Local

[0:46:09] Voice 5: Zoning By-laws of course must be consistent with the Regional Community Plan, all of which

[0:46:13] Voice 5: come together to influence the Island Land

[0:46:15] Voice 6: Statement and you can see around you what

[0:46:17] Voice 6: happens on the land and the changes that happen there.

[0:46:22] Voice 8: The Policy Statement is the foundation

[0:46:24] Voice 8: for the Islands Trust Council's strategic planning initiatives.

[0:46:27] Voice 8: When a new trust council comes together after an election,

[0:46:31] Voice 5: they should, if they so choose, look to the Islands Trust policy statement

[0:46:35] Voice 5: and the goals that are contained therein to determine how they want to use

[0:46:38] Voice 5: their four years, their budget, their staff resourcing,

[0:46:41] Voice 5: what goals they want to try and achieve with their office.

[0:46:44] Voice 5: The policy statement is used for the review of official community plans

[0:46:48] Voice 5: and regulatory bylaws.

[0:46:49] Voice 5: There's a provision in the Islands Trust Act which says that bylaws

[0:46:54] Voice 5: of local trust committees must eventually be approved by executive committee of the islands

[0:46:58] Voice 5: trust before they can be adopted by the local trust committee and the lens through which

[0:47:03] Voice 5: executive committee views these bylaws when they arrive at the executive committee table is whether

[0:47:07] Voice 5: or not they're consistent with the policy statement and then the policy statement also

[0:47:12] Voice 5: serves as the foundations for the types of intergovernmental relationships that the islands

[0:47:16] Voice 5: trust enters into with provincial agencies with regional districts with indigenous government

[0:47:20] Voice 5: bodies,

[0:47:20] Voice 3: we

[0:47:21] Voice 5: will look to the policy statement to inform what we would hope to achieve through

[0:47:26] Voice 5: the different types

[0:47:27] Voice 8: of relationships and agreements that we're struggling with, with different

[0:47:29] Voice 8: levels of government or other types of governments.

[0:47:32] Voice 8: How does the policy statement impact you?

[0:47:37] Voice 5: Looking at it through a landowner lens, if this policy statement is adopted or some version

[0:47:42] Voice 5: thereof, there will really be no impact unless you yourself are applying to amend the official

[0:47:47] Voice 5: community plan and the land use bylaw of the island as they apply to your land.

[0:47:53] Voice 5: If you do apply to amend the OCP or land use by-law, as it applies to your land, then one

[0:47:58] Voice 5: of the filters that that by-law is going to be put through by staff and ultimately by

[0:48:02] Voice 5: your local trust committee is whether or not the by-laws you're proposing are consistent

[0:48:06] Voice 5: with the policy statement.

[0:48:09] Voice 5: In a medium term, I think this is a decision the trust council will make, but it is my

[0:48:15] Voice 5: expectation that eventually all local trust committees will have to bring their official

[0:48:20] Voice 5: community plan bylaws and land use bylaws into alignment with any policy statement this may be

[0:48:27] Voice 5: something that trust council dictates to local trust committees or it may just be that in the

[0:48:33] Voice 5: course of time eventually galliano island local trust committee will want to update its ocp and

[0:48:39] Voice 5: when it does it's going to have to align that with the policy statement falling out from that process

[0:48:44] Voice 5: this may result in more ways to use your land depending on what your local trust committee

[0:48:48] Voice 5: chooses to do. Fewer ways to use your land, it didn't need the ways that you're currently

[0:48:53] Voice 5: authorized to use your land or sign up seems to be in conflict with what the policy

[0:48:56] Voice 5: or different ways to use your land and this will all be determined as different

[0:49:03] Voice 8: LTCs bring their

[0:49:04] Voice 8: bylaws into consistency within the policy statement. How will the policy

[0:49:09] Voice 5: statement impact you

[0:49:11] Voice 5: not as a landowner but just as an island resident? In the short term you are unlikely to see any

[0:49:17] Voice 5: impact again unless your island's local trust really moves quickly to update its ocp and land

[0:49:22] Voice 5: use file to align it with the policy statement then perhaps you could begin to see land use

[0:49:28] Voice 5: changes sooner rather than later

[0:49:30] Voice 3: in

[0:49:31] Voice 5: the medium term if the goals of the draft policy statement

[0:49:35] Voice 5: as they're currently laid out are achieved you should see a reduced case of disturbance to

[0:49:39] Voice 5: characteristic island ecosystems in that there's an emphasis in the document on ecosystem protection

[0:49:45] Voice 5: And you may also come to see a greater range of housing options in the right places on

[0:49:51] Voice 5: your islands, as there's also an emphasis within the document on helping to achieve

[0:49:56] Voice 5: greater housing diversity on the island, which is a concern that trustees have brought to

[0:50:01] Voice 5: the Trust Council table for the

[0:50:03] Voice 8: past two terms, really.

[0:50:04] Voice 8: There's been an emphasis on it.

[0:50:12] Voice 8: So in 2019, Trust Council began this current initiative to update the policy statement.

[0:50:17] Voice 8: The three lenses through which this is being done are

[0:50:20] Voice 5: reconciliation with Indigenous people

[0:50:23] Voice 5: and Indigenous governing bodies. This responds to a reconciliation declaration that Islands Trust

[0:50:28] Voice 5: Council made in 2019.

[0:50:32] Voice 8: There is a climate change lens brought to this draft of the policy statement

[0:50:36] Voice 8: and this in response to the climate change emergency declaration the Trust Council

[0:50:41] Voice 8: Council declared in

[0:50:41] Voice 5: 2019, and there is also a letter of housing applied to this update

[0:50:46] Voice 5: to the policy statement to address the workforce shortage in housing equity crisis that has

[0:50:51] Voice 5: been declared by Highlands Trust Council. So it's an effort to respond to these three

[0:50:56] Voice 5: topic areas that Trust Council has previously identified as great input.

[0:51:01] Voice 5: The

[0:51:05] Voice 8: font there is really small, you probably can't see it. It is a timeline that shows

[0:51:10] Voice 8: where we're at in this project process like i said it kicked off in 2019

[0:51:14] Voice 3: we are currently

[0:51:18] Voice 8: this draft of the policy statement was given first reading by islands trust council in july of this

[0:51:25] Voice 8: year at that time that began a six month long period of engagement during which we're having

[0:51:31] Voice 8: meetings like this there is a survey available online that we encourage you all to fill out

[0:51:36] Voice 8: about this draft policy statement we've also got a few paper copies of it available up at the front

[0:51:41] Voice 8: desk and I think there's

[0:51:41] Voice 5: probably some paper copies of the Gallaudet Library branch as well.

[0:51:49] Voice 5: Shortly after the first reading we also referred this graphical policy statement out to all the

[0:51:53] Voice 5: provincial agencies that we work with, to all the federal agencies that we work with,

[0:51:59] Voice 5: and to the Indigenous governing bodies that have treaty and territorial interests in the Islands,

[0:52:04] Voice 5: that's the area which there are more of. So

[0:52:07] Voice 8: we're currently

[0:52:08] Voice 5: awaiting all of

[0:52:10] Voice 5: that feedback to

[0:52:10] Voice 5: to come back

[0:52:12] Voice 8: in it

[0:52:12] Voice 5: is our hope that we'll be able to aggregate process and summarize all of this

[0:52:17] Voice 5: feedback and report back to trust council in the spring of 2026 at which time trust council can

[0:52:24] Voice 5: consider whether they want to get the policy statement further readings or what revisions

[0:52:28] Voice 5: they might want to make expect at that time staff would probably recommend some revisions that

[0:52:33] Voice 5: we've been contemplating as a result of some of the further work that we've been doing

[0:52:37] Voice 5: And trustees themselves will, of course, bring their own recommendations for revision based on what they hear from their own communities or their own thinking.

[0:52:48] Voice 8: All of this with the intention

[0:52:51] Voice 5: that Trust Council will adopt a new policy statement before the next local government elections in British Columbia, which take place in the fall of 2026.

[0:53:00] Voice 5: Trust Council is interested in not seeing the policy statement carry over into the next political term, if that can be done.

[0:53:11] Voice 8: this slide just shows sort of the range of different phases of the policy statement

[0:53:16] Voice 8: project since it began all of this work and reports associated with it are available on

[0:53:21] Voice 8: the islands 2050 project web page visit or do so if you want some background information

[0:53:28] Voice 8: that got us to this point in the development of the document um maybe i will share this so in

[0:53:37] Voice 8: may of 2024 islands

[0:53:38] Voice 5: trust committee of the whole received a revised version of the draft policy

[0:53:42] Voice 5: policy statement that had previously been created, I think, in 2022, and this version

[0:53:48] that the Committee of the Whole received in May 2024 reflected

[0:53:52] Voice 5: 32 significant amendments

[0:53:54] Voice 5: that had been directed by the previous Trust Council when it had last reviewed the document.

[0:53:59] Voice 5: It combines those 32 resolutions with the results of some ongoing engagement with Indigenous

[0:54:03] Voice 5: governing bodies. The upshot of those 32 resolutions was really to make a leaner policy statement.

[0:54:12] Voice 5: And so as we've done a few meetings over the last couple of weeks, folks have noticed that this draft of the policy statement is missing some of the material that was in the 2022 version.

[0:54:23] Voice 8: And so that's a result that flows directly from some resolutions that Trust Council had in the year 2022.

[0:54:33] Voice 8: Since May of 2024, Islands Trust bodies, either it's Committee of the Whole, Trust Programs Committee, and Trust Council have met more than a

[0:54:42] Voice 5: dozen times to review this draft that you have before you, and made tweaks and revisions to it across all of those meetings.

[0:54:49] And like I said, it was given first review in July of this year.

[0:54:55] What's in this document? There are three policy types, if you want to call it that.

[0:55:01] Voice 5: First, there are guiding principles. These set forth how Highlands Trust Council should make

[0:55:06] Voice 5: its decisions. What should it keep in mind when it turns its attention to making important land

[0:55:11] Voice 5: use decisions for the Highlands Trust Area, or strategic decisions. There are directive

[0:55:17] Voice 5: policies. These are things that Trust Council expects that local trust committees must do

[0:55:21] Voice 5: do in their land use bylaws and then their advisory policies that are things that local

[0:55:27] Voice 5: trust committees and municipalities should do. These are matters that trust council,

[0:55:32] Voice 5: the advisory policies are matters that trust council has deemed to be important for local

[0:55:37] Voice 5: trust committees to consider but are maybe beyond the direct ability of a local trust

[0:55:42] Voice 5: committee to either do it by themselves, maybe it requires coordination or engagement with

[0:55:46] Voice 5: another level of government or maybe it's something where a local trust committee can

[0:55:51] Voice 5: make a symbolic

[0:55:52] Voice 8: rather than a regulatory gesture towards

[0:55:54] Voice 8: advancing it. But that's that's sort of the difference between

[0:55:57] Voice 8: those direct advisory policies.

[0:55:59] Voice 5: I'll just point out a couple of

[0:56:01] Voice 5: key policy areas across those three lenses of reconciliation.

[0:56:10] Voice 5: Reconciliation with indigenous governing bodies and indigenous

[0:56:12] Voice 5: people really is at the front

[0:56:15] Voice 8: of this document. Guidance

[0:56:18] Voice 8: principle 2.1.1 says

[0:56:20] Voice 5: the trust council will acknowledge and respect indigenous rights

[0:56:25] Voice 5: that it has a principle to grow understanding of the history and legacy of colonialism in the

[0:56:30] Voice 5: island's trust area to acknowledge and respect the rights of indigenous peoples and work together

[0:56:35] Voice 5: with indigenous governing bodies and indigenous knowledge holders to preserve and protect

[0:56:39] Voice 5: culturally significant areas it's a principle to prioritize environmental and cultural heritage

[0:56:47] Voice 5: protection within that one way that that principle will be brought to life on a very practical basis

[0:56:54] Voice 5: is directive policy 3.1.1 which says local trust committees and island municipalities shall

[0:57:00] Voice 5: in all official community plan bylaws and other bylaws that require executive community approval

[0:57:05] Voice 5: cooperate with indigenous governing bodies and so local trust committees are expected to engage

[0:57:11] Voice 5: with indigenous governing bodies and provide a record of the engagement at the time of bylaw

[0:57:15] Voice 5: submission islands trust almost doesn't matter of course these days though it isn't actually

[0:57:21] Voice 5: set out as a requirement in any of our documents currently but should this policy statement be

[0:57:27] Voice 5: adopted with this direct policy in place it will mean that for any bylaw that emerges from your

[0:57:32] Voice 5: local trust committee table that my law will have to be referred out to the indigenous government

[0:57:36] Voice 5: bonds that have an interest in the local trust area and your local trust committee will have

[0:57:41] Voice 5: to provide a report of what was heard as a result of those referrals and

[0:57:46] Voice 8: presumably what they did.

[0:57:53] Voice 8: And

[0:57:54] Voice 5: then there are directive policies that your local trust communities

[0:57:57] Voice 8: shall minimize potential adverse impacts to Indigenous cultural heritage sites and the

[0:58:01] Voice 8: decisions that they make. They will minimize potential adverse impacts to marine harvesting

[0:58:05] Voice 8: areas used by Indigenous people in the decisions that they make and they will minimize potential

[0:58:13] Voice 8: It has been noted that there is no discrete chapter

[0:58:20] Voice 8: on climate change within this document.

[0:58:22] Voice 5: Rather, elements related to adaptation and mitigation of climate change are interwoven

[0:58:28] Voice 5: across a number of topic areas in the document.

[0:58:30] Voice 5: I've just drawn out a few here, Directive Policy 3.5.1, which is that local trust committees

[0:58:36] Voice 5: to ensure that not only the density or intensity of land use is increasing, watersheds for

[0:58:42] Voice 5: the quality or the quantity of the supply of fresh water is likely to be inadequate

[0:58:45] Voice 5: or unsustainable.

[0:58:48] Voice 5: Galliano Island residents know that groundwater is challenging these days and the changing

[0:58:54] Voice 5: climate grows all the more so.

[0:58:56] Voice 5: And so there is an imperative to understand our groundwater resources and ensure that

[0:59:02] Voice 5: we're not making land use decisions that are going to have a different impact on the availability

[0:59:09] Voice 5: of the fresh water either for existing users or for the ecosystem services that depend on them.

[0:59:15] Voice 5: There is a policy around hazardous

[0:59:17] Voice 5: areas which is that local trust committees and island

[0:59:19] Voice 5: municipalities shall identify areas of elevated risk of natural and climate change related hazards

[0:59:24] Voice 5: and restrict development within those areas including but not limited to areas subject

[0:59:28] Voice 5: of flooding, sea level rise, erosion, slope instability and wildfire. Recognizing that

[0:59:34] Voice 5: climate change is here, it is coming in greater intensity most likely, wildfire risk arising

[0:59:42] Voice 5: and we should be attuned to that when we think about land use decisions and where different

[0:59:48] Voice 5: types of land uses are permitted or not. And then there's a policy encouraging thoughtful

[0:59:54] Voice 5: thoughtful setbacks for the sea potential

[0:59:57] Voice 8: rising sea level rise or at the very least

[1:00:00] Voice 8: storm surge resulting from more intense weather patterns

[1:00:06] Voice 8: finally on the subject of housing um something

[1:00:10] Voice 5: i i have certainly heard from trustees over the

[1:00:13] Voice 5: last number of years is that there is a lack of housing diversity on and i can't speak to

[1:00:19] Voice 5: galeano experience specifically of most of what i come into this with is grounded in my experience

[1:00:26] Voice 5: on Salt Spring, where the workforce has been almost desperate, I would say, for sufficient

[1:00:34] Voice 5: housing in order to allow them to continue to live on the island.

[1:00:37] Voice 5: Of course, this is something that's built up through the elected trustees of the Islands

[1:00:41] Voice 5: Trust, and they've expressed a desire to try and address this

[1:00:45] Voice 8: to some extent through

[1:00:47] Voice 8: the land use planning powers that they have.

[1:00:49] Voice 8: So housing diversity is an element that's trying to be addressed through this document.

[1:00:53] Voice 8: And then there's also this theme of island residents wanting to

[1:00:58] Voice 5: teach in place and wanting

[1:00:59] Voice 5: to know that they won't necessarily have to leave the island as they

[1:01:04] Voice 8: grow a bit more elderly.

[1:01:05] Voice 8: And so do our official community plans and land use by-laws, are they set up to accommodate

[1:01:12] Voice 8: the types of housing

[1:01:13] Voice 5: that might facilitate that and

[1:01:15] Voice 8: enable that to happen?

[1:01:16] Voice 8: And

[1:01:17] Voice 5: so that's something I think the trustees have tried to achieve through some of these

[1:01:20] Voice 5: housing policies.

[1:01:21] Voice 5: I'll just point out a few, Directive Policy 3.4.11, that local trust committees and non-administratives

[1:01:28] Voice 5: should identify suitable locations that could support increased density for the development

[1:01:34] Voice 5: of safe, secure, diverse and attainable housing.

[1:01:37] 3.4.12, the City should support a range of housing types and

[1:01:41] Voice 8: tenures to help meet the

[1:01:43] Voice 8: identified housing needs of the community and local indigenous communities.

[1:01:47] Voice 8: viewpoint 4.13 your local trust committee should support alternatives to conventional single

[1:01:52] Voice 5: detached dwellings by establishing policies clusters of small dwelling units in suitable

[1:01:57] Voice 5: areas and i think this policy is an effort to align island's trust policy and regulation with

[1:02:06] Voice 5: a community interest that exists for things like tiny homes i understand that's a bit fraught when

[1:02:12] Voice 5: it when it comes to the building and how we move through that but certainly at the trustee level

[1:02:18] Voice 6: some

[1:02:18] Voice 5: of the folks who sit around the trust council table there's an interest in

[1:02:21] Voice 5: setting the table at least in our policy documents for that

[1:02:24] Voice 5: next

[1:02:28] Voice 8: steps in this process as i said we're kind of midway through a six-month window

[1:02:34] Voice 8: of engagement the survey is open uh we've had a trust-wide community webinar sender and mailer

[1:02:40] Voice 5: to i want to say all households of the island's trust but as soon as i say all households

[1:02:44] Voice 5: One of you will probably tell me when you receive it, so I'll say most households in

[1:02:47] Voice 5: the Islands Trust.

[1:02:49] Voice 5: The by-law is out with the agencies and indigenous governing bodies that we try and do our work

[1:02:54] Voice 5: together.

[1:02:56] Voice 5: We'll report

[1:02:56] Voice 8: back to Trust Council in the spring with what we've heard.

[1:03:00] Voice 8: They will contemplate further revisions to this draft policy

[1:03:02] Voice 5: statement and move on to

[1:03:04] Voice 5: consideration of our second and third reading of the document.

[1:03:08] Voice 5: Always important to point out that this document requires the approval of the minister to whom

[1:03:12] Voice 5: the islands trust is responsible and that's the minister of housing municipal affairs so the

[1:03:17] Voice 5: minister will have a chance to weigh in on the policy statement and um whether they think it's

[1:03:22] Voice 5: consistent with their original interest as reflected in the island trust act or whatever else

[1:03:28] that's that decision point and hopefully the

[1:03:31] Voice 8: adoption of the new policy statement by the

[1:03:51] Voice 8: Thank you for that Jason. And so we're going to move into the question and answer section

[1:04:02] Voice 8: here. And I'm going to look to staff for some support. I know there's some of these questions

[1:04:11] Voice 8: are probably best answered by staff and some are more political so when it's not for you please

[1:04:18] Voice 8: direct it to us and we'll try and work together between us all to provide

[1:04:26] Voice 11: what else we can here

[1:04:27] Voice 11: today so much like the town hall of course i already prefaced

[1:04:33] Voice 8: this with the expectations

[1:04:34] Voice 8: patients around uh we're going to all behave

[1:04:38] Voice 11: here together um so i'm going to look for a show of

[1:04:41] Voice 11: hands uh i'm going to be using a timer to help keep

[1:04:46] Voice 8: us on track and um you know do as i usually

[1:04:50] Voice 8: do and probably start at one end of the room and work together so if i can just show get a

[1:04:55] Voice 8: preliminary

[1:04:55] Voice 11: show of hands i would like to ask uh any questions today

[1:05:00] Voice 9: okay

[1:05:03] Voice 11: okay

[1:05:03] Voice 9: all of this is on the

[1:05:06] Voice 10: trust policy statement exclusively okay and i'm going to start uh over

[1:05:09] Voice 10: on this end so i think i'll start with you okay

[1:05:13] Voice 8: uh call me joey and um first of

[1:05:16] Voice 9: all i'd like to

[1:05:16] Voice 9: recommend staff who have worked on this trust policy statement over the years

[1:05:21] Voice 8: i've been watching

[1:05:23] Voice 8: the evolution

[1:05:23] Voice 9: of this document

[1:05:24] Voice 8: and i think that you've got a good job um it's nice to see

[1:05:29] Voice 8: I was trustee responsive to the Declaration Act, UNDRIP, the Canada-UN Declaration,

[1:05:39] Voice 9: murder of innocent women, TRC calls for action and intersecting crises

[1:05:46] Voice 8: with also

[1:05:48] Voice 8: climate change and housing crises.

[1:05:50] Voice 8: So thank you very much for your work.

[1:05:53] Voice 8: Um, in terms of, um, the things that are also really strong about the document and the accessibility of

[1:06:02] Voice 9: it, I think it's very clear for people, um, there could be a few definitions that would help, um, I mean, observe people getting tripped up over attainable, um, housing, so, you know, a few definitions would help clarify.

[1:06:19] Voice 9: And in terms of concerns expressed about the rationale, I'm looking at section 3.4.11,

[1:06:28] Voice 9: the Directive Policy on Suitable Locations for National Housing.

[1:06:32] Voice 9: I believe I understand the

[1:06:37] Voice 8: rationale for not including affordable in there.

[1:06:39] Voice 8: And if I'm understanding correctly, I

[1:06:43] Voice 9: support how it's written, 3.4.11,

[1:06:47] Voice 9: because affordable housing really depends on having cheap land and sometimes it's not ideal

[1:06:55] Voice 9: sometimes it's

[1:06:57] Voice 8: you know three kilometers instead of one kilometer so on and so forth so all i'm

[1:07:02] Voice 8: saying is that i think the trust policy statement is well done i think it's reflective overall of

[1:07:10] Voice 8: concerns thank you thank you

[1:07:16] Voice 10: um so again moving from this end of the room i saw him in the very

[1:07:21] Voice 10: back there go ahead um

[1:07:24] Voice 9: and i do want to commend um everyone who's

[1:07:29] Voice 8: worked on this policy it's a big

[1:07:32] Voice 8: job

[1:07:32] Voice 2: it's a really big job and i went back to the 2003 document just to find the groundwork

[1:07:40] Voice 2: where we're moving from and what direction we're going through.

[1:07:46] Voice 2: And what struck me was that under guiding principles,

[1:07:50] Voice 2: it says the primary responsibility of the Alliance Trust Council

[1:07:53] Voice 2: is to provide leadership for the preservation, protection,

[1:07:57] Voice 2: and stewardship of

[1:07:59] Voice 8: amenities, environment, and resources

[1:08:00] Voice 2: of the Trust's area, and it believes open,

[1:08:04] Voice 2: consultative public participation is vital

[1:08:08] Voice 2: to effective decision-making.

[1:08:10] Voice 2: So, listening to Trustee Majority's comments about the residents not having access to consultation about the budget,

[1:08:22] Voice 2: it made me think, are we ensuring, are we actually ensuring in our documents that public consultation will be still at the core of the work of the trust?

[1:08:33] Voice 2: because a number of things tend to shift

[1:08:38] Voice 2: when there are increasing pressures for development

[1:08:43] Voice 2: or increasing pressures of climate change.

[1:08:47] Voice 2: And with these shifts,

[1:08:50] Voice 2: it's easy to sort of lose the main goal.

[1:08:54] Voice 2: I believe the main goal is still to preserve

[1:08:57] Voice 2: and protect these islands,

[1:08:59] Voice 2: especially with indigenous leadership which has been missing for a long time and i'm not

[1:09:07] Voice 2: sure that i understand that indigenous leadership or guidance will be placed closer

[1:09:16] Voice 2: to the trust council i'm hoping that that is a development so that's one comment um

[1:09:24] Voice 2: Um, there's, there's, the other thing that worries me, and I don't want to get into all the details,

[1:09:29] Voice 2: because in general, I think it's very important to have a very clear, overarching vision.

[1:09:37] Voice 2: I'm afraid I don't see, in the way this document is laid out, a clear, overarching vision.

[1:09:45] Voice 2: I see a number of boxes with a number of very clear, and sometimes not so clear, as was pointed out,

[1:09:55] Voice 2: items, for example, attainable housing has no definition,

[1:09:59] Voice 8: and one would hope that if

[1:10:02] Voice 8: we're building housing for a diverse community, we would need

[1:10:06] Voice 2: affordable housing with a housing

[1:10:08] Voice 2: agreement, so it doesn't end up on the real estate market eventually.

[1:10:12] Voice 2: That's just a detail, but in general, the overarching vision could be stronger and could

[1:10:19] Voice 2: be much more clearly focused on how important the ecosystem and environment is for which there's no

[1:10:29] Voice 2: definition. So those are my concerns and I'm hoping that I will see a little bit more

[1:10:36] Voice 2: on the overarching vision. Thank you. Thank

[1:10:40] Voice 6: you. First

[1:10:44] Voice 2: I'd like to acknowledge the work that's

[1:10:48] Voice 2: gone into the creation of this document in the long time. And in one aspect, I think

[1:10:54] Voice 2: it's a significant improvement over the previous policy statement. And that is in the emphasis

[1:11:00] Voice 2: on reconciliation and bringing First Nations who live in the trust area into the decision

[1:11:06] Voice 2: making process. I can only

[1:11:08] Voice 2: hear from the First Nations people, I don't know whether this

[1:11:12] Voice 2: This does that, but the intent is to do that, I think, and that, to me, is critical, and

[1:11:18] Voice 2: I really applaud you that this is an important aspect moving forward.

[1:11:25] Voice 2: In other aspects, I don't think this policy statement is an improvement over the past

[1:11:31] Voice 2: one, and there's some things that are very critically missing.

[1:11:34] Voice 2: I will put in a written comment in the process, and I'm going to go into that here.

[1:11:38] Voice 2: But what I'd like to do is implore that this LTC, these trustees, send this policy statement to the Galliano Advisory Planning Commission

[1:11:48] Voice 2: to let that diverse group of people who are really good work on improvements in the process.

[1:11:56] Voice 2: I know that a motion like this has come forward in the past and that staff have discouraged it

[1:12:03] Voice 2: because it would prevent the timeline being met of approving this.

[1:12:08] Voice 2: However, I think this is so important that these trustees, you guys,

[1:12:13] Voice 2: should be brave enough to indeed say the timeline isn't as important as getting it right

[1:12:19] Voice 2: and that it does go to our advisory planning committee

[1:12:22] Voice 2: to put some real thought into improvements and what needs to be changed.

[1:12:28] Voice 2: I would say on the issue you said, Jason said at the beginning,

[1:12:32] Voice 2: there were three reasons for this on the indigenous part i think you put some thought into that we'll

[1:12:37] Voice 2: hear from our own first nations people whether you succeeded on climate change i think it fails

[1:12:43] Voice 2: drastically and it even has some inconsistencies this is a small point but this is the kind of

[1:12:49] Voice 2: thing where you're encouraging the use of natural materials in building not realizing that if we

[1:12:55] Voice 2: were all to put cedar shapes on our rooms that is the absolutely worst thing to do for you know

[1:13:02] Voice 2: fire management and climate change so those kinds of inconsistencies and details are really important

[1:13:08] Voice 2: to get rid of on that point what we really want is energy efficiency um climate change adaptation

[1:13:15] Voice 2: that recognizes our reality and protects against those things the other thing is there's no guiding

[1:13:21] Voice 2: principle on prioritizing preserve and protect the natural environment. It's completely missing.

[1:13:26] Voice 2: You need a guiding principle on that because that's so fundamental to the trust object.

[1:13:34] Voice 2: You have some definitions in there about biodiversity and ecosystems and I appreciate

[1:13:40] Voice 2: that you have taken into account some of the comments on that issue that were made by

[1:13:46] Voice 2: by all the Islands Trust conservancies,

[1:13:49] Voice 2: like the small conservancies, got together,

[1:13:52] Voice 2: we put a lot of work into putting in comments,

[1:13:54] Voice 2: and some of those have been brought in.

[1:13:56] Voice 2: However, the definitions that you've used

[1:13:58] Voice 2: are all about key biodiversity areas, or unique,

[1:14:02] Voice 2: and you use these words throughout.

[1:14:04] Voice 2: In fact, what we really, and I'm an ecologist by training,

[1:14:07] Voice 2: I work for the International Union

[1:14:09] Voice 2: for the Conservation of Nature,

[1:14:11] Voice 2: I feel that I have written on this

[1:14:13] Voice 2: and I have some expertise,

[1:14:14] Voice 2: tea and what we really wanted to do is protect our natural environment that has historically been here

[1:14:21] Voice 2: not just unique areas or tea areas but it's the diversity of plants and trees and animals and how

[1:14:27] Voice 2: they work together we don't only want the ones that are at risk we want to prevent others from

[1:14:32] Voice 2: becoming at risk and that is the basis of our resilience to climate change having that kind

[1:14:39] Voice 2: of strong diversity. It's missing in this document. And the other thing that I don't

[1:14:46] Voice 2: understand is the section on housing. I'm in 100% agreement that we have an affordable

[1:14:52] Voice 2: housing crisis. It prevents people from all kinds of walks of life living here. But it's

[1:15:00] Voice 2: an affordable housing crisis. And that means we have to get into not a housing crisis,

[1:15:05] Voice 2: an affordable housing crisis and so this idea of putting in words like attainable housing i don't

[1:15:10] Voice 2: know what that means but i think that that section should be reworked to really focus on how we can

[1:15:17] Voice 2: manage to have non-market housing in order to do that we have to it can't be prescriptive we have

[1:15:27] Voice 2: to let all these islands with their diverse communities find creative solutions so i don't

[1:15:32] Voice 2: like that it's so prescriptive i'd like for us to encourage creative thinking on this real problem

[1:15:40] Voice 2: and uh that's all i have to

[1:15:41] Voice 2: say thank you but i would like the trustees perhaps

[1:15:43] Voice 2: to uh respond to my suggestion about the advisor planning

[1:15:49] Voice 7: um so i'm not sure i i share jason's um patience with my mom um i agree with you 100

[1:16:00] Voice 7: I don't think this has been in front of the public long enough.

[1:16:05] Voice 7: We were talking about this at Trust Council and I finally made the motion to do the first

[1:16:09] Voice 7: reading so at least we could get it to the public and the fact is, I think we kind of

[1:16:15] Voice 7: wasted a year, year and a half in this process.

[1:16:20] Voice 7: I'd love to see it go to the ABC, the reality is we can make those motions and we'll be

[1:16:32] Voice 7: making that motion um so i i i think there's a lot more public engagement but not just public

[1:16:38] Voice 7: engagement i don't think we've had a wholesome first nations engagement in this process as well

[1:16:45] Voice 7: um we haven't sat down as an ltc with with the penelope to to really go through this document and

[1:16:51] Voice 7: um and see how um the the advisory college and the directive policies around

[1:16:59] Voice 7: reconciliation should be handled right um it's interesting that we just at the last trust

[1:17:08] Voice 7: council meeting um elected to hire um a senior policy advisor who will be in charge of what

[1:17:16] Voice 7: that process will look like so how can we approve a document that's supposed to be so

[1:17:25] Voice 6: foundational

[1:17:25] Voice 7: and not being sure of exactly how that document is going to work with First Nations.

[1:17:32] Voice 7: I think we need to probably slow this process down a bit. The great part about having forums

[1:17:42] Voice 7: like this now at this point in the document is if we can slow it down now, we've got people's

[1:17:48] Voice 7: interests and and we should be you know working on that to to really make sure that um you know

[1:17:56] Voice 7: we've we've got as much engagement as possible right i mean there's other things i could say

[1:18:01] Voice 7: a bunch but i just want to speak to that one point for you um

[1:18:07] Voice 9: thank you and thank you for

[1:18:09] Voice 9: your comments too i found our full of action list we have sent it to the apc there's direction for

[1:18:14] Voice 9: that it's it's on this agenda package actually um there was staff were going to determine if

[1:18:20] Voice 9: the pilot rule could be extended from february 6th to february 10th that's in our list already

[1:18:29] Voice 9: sorry we've already made the motion in our

[1:18:31] Voice 9: last meeting to send it to the apc

[1:18:34] Voice 9: you have made

[1:18:34] Voice 8: that motion yes

[1:18:35] Voice 2: that's

[1:18:36] Voice 8: done yeah we agree

[1:18:48] Voice 8: i just want to remind her to those that this document is owned by one person that has worked

[1:18:54] Voice 8: on by one person it's been a team of people and the draft policy statement is owned by

[1:19:00] Voice 8: trust council so it's just an reminder i

[1:19:04] Voice 6: just wanted to add some thoughts around

[1:19:10] Voice 11: timeline and process and one of the one of the points that's been very sticky for me

[1:19:18] Voice 11: is uh in this whole process i've been uh i was involved last term as

[1:19:26] Voice 8: well as this term

[1:19:27] Voice 8: um the vice chair of the uh trust

[1:19:34] Voice 11: programs committee um and so i've literally been at

[1:19:40] Voice 11: every single meeting to do with the trust policy statement for the past four plus years

[1:19:48] Voice 11: um i'll say that getting to the point where we are now has been mountains of work i'm just huge

[1:19:58] Voice 11: huge kudos to all of our staff many of any who have done a lot of heavy lifting we're not here

[1:20:03] Voice 11: today but um but also to trustees to really there has been so much work to get to this point but

[1:20:12] Voice 11: back to my my sticky point through this whole process is island's trust has a policy statement

[1:20:21] Voice 11: amendment policy there's a nice mouthful for him um and which hasn't been updated since 1985.

[1:20:31] Voice 11: uh and it's my ardent desire to improve that policy i'm advised

[1:20:40] Voice 10: from staff that we need to

[1:20:43] Voice 10: complete our current work on the policy statement draft that we

[1:20:46] Voice 11: have before we can force them to

[1:20:50] Voice 11: get back into this this piece but i will just highlight the item 1.2 and the requirements from

[1:20:56] Voice 11: our policy statement amendment policy as it stands reads each term trust council will identify policy

[1:21:04] Voice 11: statement review and or amendment tasks the reality is this has not happened for a significant

[1:21:12] Voice 11: number of years part of the reason we are facing this large sea change is so much time has gone by

[1:21:23] Voice 11: without trust council doing the work so much has changed that we have instead of going through and

[1:21:31] Voice 11: tweaking one or two policies going you know hey this part really isn't up to date

[1:21:37] Voice 11: and that's what the amendment policy has stated all along so i just want to be really clear that

[1:21:45] Voice 11: i mean who knows there's election coming i don't know if i'll be around again but my commitment is

[1:21:52] Voice 11: if i am re-elected my top priority once is is to make sure that we make our policy so that we can

[1:22:05] Voice 11: can no longer be ignored this

[1:22:07] Voice 10: the way we're doing it right now is the way we're stuck

[1:22:09] Voice 11: doing it but

[1:22:12] Voice 11: it is not the right way to do it it should be reviewed on a regular basis

[1:22:16] Voice 11: in discrete bites so that we don't have this massive massive document for members of the

[1:22:22] Voice 11: public and for trustees to try and work through and the reason i'm saying this

[1:22:29] Voice 11: is because i don't think we're ever going to get a perfect policy statement it'll never be perfect

[1:22:38] Voice 11: times change and situations will change and things will need to be adapted

[1:22:46] Voice 11: and and amendments will have to happen so i just wanted to share that my where i'm at with this

[1:22:54] Voice 11: this process is

[1:22:56] Voice 4: that that is the important part to remember

[1:22:59] Voice 10: this will not be set in stone it should

[1:23:02] Voice 10: not be set in stone and however this process goes whatever version of the policy statement

[1:23:11] Voice 10: gets adopted if there are parts of it that don't work for your community

[1:23:18] Voice 10: your ltc needs to know about it because your ltc should be going to trust council and saying

[1:23:27] Voice 10: we need to do what our policy says we need to review

[1:23:29] Voice 4: policy three point whatever it is and

[1:23:33] Voice 4: this needs to be changed because it's not working

[1:23:35] Voice 6: so i

[1:23:36] Voice 4: just wanted to

[1:23:37] Voice 11: share that because it's

[1:23:37] Voice 11: something i don't know if it's coming across but this is what i'm really

[1:23:41] Voice 10: passionate about this

[1:23:41] Voice 10: piece um

[1:23:43] Voice 11: it is meant to be a living document it's

[1:23:46] Voice 10: not meant to be carved in stone and it's meant to

[1:23:49] Voice 11: be updated on a regular basis so we don't have this

[1:23:51] Voice 10: huge project as i said first out for trustees

[1:23:55] Voice 10: and for members of the public to try to simulate this huge document all at once.

[1:24:01] Voice 10: So

[1:24:02] Voice 11: I'm going to not repeat myself.

[1:24:04] Voice 11: I'm really passionate about that.

[1:24:08] Voice 11: It can't be left untouched for years.

[1:24:13] Voice 10: Okay, I was working from this side of the room, and I think I had Rhys a lot so far.

[1:24:17] Voice 10: Oh,

[1:24:18] Voice 6: just on that, I'm just wondering why, in the process of developing a new policy statement,

[1:24:27] Voice 6: why the bones of the old statement weren't used

[1:24:31] Voice 8: as a basis for rewriting.

[1:24:36] Voice 8: Would that not have been possible to take the old statement and work from it, rather than a whole new document?

[1:24:46] Voice 8: so

[1:24:46] Voice 11: um one of the things and i was actually just reviewing it earlier

[1:24:51] Voice 11: is the previous council uh uh trust

[1:24:54] Voice 8: councils you might remember um declined to give first

[1:24:59] Voice 8: reading to an earlier version um and made

[1:25:04] Voice 11: 32 resolutions as a planner or policy advisor

[1:25:09] Voice 11: yeomans mentioned earlier to revise it and one of the the one of the resolutions that

[1:25:17] Voice 11: i think was most important to that council was to make the document as

[1:25:24] Voice 10: readable and plain language

[1:25:26] Voice 10: as accessible as possible so that regular folks who are not necessarily policy wants to pick it up

[1:25:34] Voice 10: and read it and understand it also that it would we didn't want it running 100

[1:25:41] Voice 11: 200 pages

[1:25:43] Voice 11: so that was direction from trust council and to actually really do that effectively

[1:25:49] Voice 3: it

[1:25:49] Voice 11: had it needed a rewrite it needed a full rewrite to to do those to accomplish those

[1:25:55] Voice 11: goals so that's that's my remember uh my my memory and and my the rationale that that i

[1:26:00] Voice 11: recall for doing the wholesale

[1:26:03] Voice 8: rewrite it's it was just too hard to take the old chevy and turn

[1:26:07] Voice 8: it into a tesla or whatever i'm

[1:26:15] Voice 11: gonna see some more hands in the back did you have your hand up

[1:26:17] Voice 11: i'm trying to work this way okay sandy yeah

[1:26:20] Voice 9: i see your question

[1:26:21] Voice 9: and thank you for it and for all of you doing this there's

[1:26:29] Voice 8: nothing that focuses the mind more

[1:26:31] Voice 8: than something that's imminent and i've been over every every clause in this checklist it seems like

[1:26:40] Voice 8: one of the checklists and you know the other trust policy statement you know the old one

[1:26:47] Voice 8: it has a lot of preamble and it's very aspirational and so i'd like to retain some of that in there

[1:26:55] Voice 8: but also since we're not doing the ocp now i guess the apc doesn't have a job and it would be a good

[1:27:01] Voice 8: time uh for them to

[1:27:04] Voice 8: have a look at the draft first policy statement i mean i've been with

[1:27:09] Voice 8: three different groups and you know and we've all looked at this in detail i mean all of the people

[1:27:17] Voice 8: aren't here they don't come to meetings but uh you know some of us have been at some of those

[1:27:22] Voice 8: meetings and uh i think people are anxious and people want to have you know ourselves

[1:27:30] Voice 8: and first nations had evolved since this document was made first nations were included in the object

[1:27:38] Voice 8: object of the trust, the Islands Trust Act was amended. And so when it was amended in 2021 or 2022, and that was an amazing and excellent move forward. And when I was a trustee, we did try to make some

[1:27:55] Voice 8: and we went to

[1:27:57] Voice 8: Connecticut Island

[1:27:59] Voice 8: but

[1:27:59] Voice 8: we didn't know much

[1:28:01] Voice 8: we went to the

[1:28:04] Voice 8: trust

[1:28:05] Voice 8: council office

[1:28:08] Voice 8: and you know just the

[1:28:10] Voice 8: whole culture was so different than anything

[1:28:12] Voice 8: we were used to and bylaws

[1:28:14] Voice 8: and that sort of thing were not

[1:28:16] Voice 8: something that was interesting

[1:28:18] Voice 8: to the people there at the

[1:28:20] Voice 8: time and

[1:28:22] Voice 8: And, you know, we went into a fake, but we realized

[1:28:25] Voice 2: that we didn't have a basis for being able to interact in a way that was exclusive to them and to us as well.

[1:28:36] Voice 8: So I really appreciate that you've done so much on reconciliation.

[1:28:41] Voice 8: And I really would like it, you know, in the past, when we've had discussions about the official community plan,

[1:28:49] Voice 8: We had seven advisory groups on different topics, different areas of the plan.

[1:28:54] Voice 8: We had a steering committee and 120 people from this island, different people were on each of those advisory groups or on the steering committee and we're involved in the OCP.

[1:29:06] Voice 8: And I think that this trust policy statement is really important and that we need to get people involved and interested and actually come to a place where we feel like we're doing the right thing and that everybody can get on board with it and not create conflicts between people.

[1:29:29] Voice 8: So I really encourage the LTC to put this to the APC. I didn't catch your motion at the last meeting, by the way, but glad it was made.

[1:29:44] Voice 8: And I think some people on the APC have received it.

[1:29:49] Voice 8: you're engaging i i don't think that the shell referral letter has been sent

[1:29:57] Voice 8: but thank you for doing that

[1:30:00] Voice 8: a timeline on that when you'd like the apc to have responded for me is there a timeline on that about

[1:30:08] Voice 2: when the apc should respond to the uh uh oh

[1:30:13] Voice 8: okay i

[1:30:15] Voice 11: i would actually

[1:30:15] Voice 8: i would

[1:30:17] Voice 11: say that there is

[1:30:18] Voice 8: okay i

[1:30:19] Voice 11: i would say ideally before our february test meeting ideally

[1:30:27] Voice 11: That doesn't mean it's attainable deadline, but that would be ideally.

[1:30:36] On page 74 of

[1:30:38] Voice 8: today's is in the package?

[1:30:47] Voice 8: Yes.

[1:30:47] Voice 8: I did not read that.

[1:30:53] Voice 8: okay i know

[1:30:54] Voice 11: jennifer is next

[1:30:58] Voice 8: um i know how much work and discussion has gone into this at every level and i know i know it's a

[1:31:06] Voice 8: big it's a big job but i also know from having been at meetings when um development applications

[1:31:16] Voice 8: are considered, that words really matter.

[1:31:20] Voice 8: And I'm concerned that the brevity of this particular trust policy statement is leaving

[1:31:33] Voice 8: open some doors, maybe in an unintended way, maybe in an intended way, I don't know, that

[1:31:42] Voice 8: that will create problems on different islands down the road.

[1:31:49] Voice 8: So I'm not just speaking of Galliano

[1:31:50] Voice 8: because there are other islands with larger populations

[1:31:55] Voice 8: than we have at this point and more significant problems

[1:32:01] Voice 8: in terms of capacity perhaps in certain areas.

[1:32:05] Voice 8: I mean, everybody has a housing problem

[1:32:08] Voice 8: that goes without saying and we have a housing problem.

[1:32:11] Voice 8: everywhere not just in the trust area but i am concerned about um you know using such headings

[1:32:21] Voice 8: for directive policies because when it comes to making decisions directive policies are the only

[1:32:27] Voice 8: thing that seem to matter and even there the wording can really be questioned and you know

[1:32:33] Voice 8: we have a heading managing growth and development as opposed and yet in the current um the current

[1:32:45] Voice 8: trust policy statement there is a very clear guiding principle that says that trust council

[1:32:53] Voice 8: believes that to achieve the island's trust object the rate and scale of growth and development in

[1:32:59] Voice 8: the trust area must be carefully managed and they require limitation and yet that

[1:33:07] Voice 8: is not included in any way in the heading of director policies

[1:33:21] Voice 2: there is a guiding principle in the new draft that says limit the rate and scale of development

[1:33:32] Voice 2: but that is

[1:33:33] Voice 8: only a guiding principle so one question i have is are the guiding principles

[1:33:41] Voice 8: the seven guiding principles, do they, it does state that Trust Council is committed

[1:33:52] Voice 8: to being guided by the seven shared general guiding principles.

[1:33:59] Voice 2: Is, in fact, are, in fact, local trust committees committed to those guiding principles as opposed

[1:34:08] Voice 2: to directives?

[1:34:13] Voice 2: That's my question.

[1:34:18] Voice 8: Well, I

[1:34:19] Voice 10: don't think anyone at this table can

[1:34:21] Voice 8: speak for all local trust committees.

[1:34:24] Voice 8: No, I'm asking as a principle, this is the foundational governing document for land use.

[1:34:32] Voice 8: And so it seems to me that that needs to be clearly understood if, in fact, the trust policy statement is going to guide land

[1:34:45] Voice 2: use decisions.

[1:34:51] Voice 2: and

[1:34:53] Voice 6: i think because of the nature of your

[1:34:56] Voice 8: question there i've actually looked for a

[1:35:00] Voice 8: little bit of a minor perspective on the kind of principles um as as i know you need some

[1:35:08] futures but as as the people who provide advice to local trust committees

[1:35:13] Voice 8: sure um your perspective

[1:35:16] Voice 8: This is by no means the definitive response, but I am inclined to say that a trustee

[1:35:23] Voice 5: is

[1:35:25] Voice 5: as committed to applying these principles as they choose to be.

[1:35:29] Voice 5: These principles are not legally binding upon a trustee to carry out in their decision-making.

[1:35:36] Voice 5: It's trust counsel's expectation that they will apply these principles, but the ability

[1:35:41] Voice 5: to adjudicate whether or

[1:35:44] Voice 8: not

[1:35:45] Voice 5: the principles are being applied in the decision-making process

[1:35:49] Voice 5: is a political more than a quantitative question, to my mind at least.

[1:35:58] Voice 8: Well, one thing I'll share maybe is that the way that I use the policy statement in my

[1:36:04] Voice 8: current sports and the current policy statement

[1:36:06] Voice 5: is that when, as a planner, I tend to provide

[1:36:10] Voice 5: advice to local trust committees about whether a bylaw they're considering is contrary or

[1:36:15] Voice 5: out of variance to the policy statement. I haven't looked to anything in the policy statement

[1:36:21] Voice 5: except for the directives on the checklist. That's the mechanism by which I have provided

[1:36:28] Voice 5: advice to local trust committees about whether a bylaw is consistent or not. What they choose

[1:36:34] Voice 5: to do with the front end of the document and the commitments of the trust is to preamble

[1:36:41] Voice 5: about their responsibilities and expectations of their leadership it's up to them not to create

[1:36:51] Voice 8: yeah thank you yeah i

[1:36:54] Voice 7: mean i just sort of want to add on that

[1:36:56] Voice 7: um i mean i think at the end of the

[1:36:59] Voice 7: day it's the track record right i mean you you get to watch the trustees in action for the term and

[1:37:04] Voice 7: you can decide whether or not they they follow the guiding principles um i don't have a problem

[1:37:11] Voice 7: with the guiding principles in this document so much as um how are as an elected trustee on

[1:37:19] Voice 7: galliano um how are we treated in a larger concept of what we're over you know the trust policy

[1:37:28] Voice 7: statement and that comes down to the director of policies i think the one thing that we shouldn't

[1:37:37] Voice 7: lose as galliano island is our uniqueness right and you know direct with policies especially when

[1:37:47] Voice 7: they come from trust council you know i mean jason said it earlier in his his deck there is at some

[1:37:55] Voice 7: point all um trustee all islands will have to bring their ocp into a line with the trust policy

[1:38:04] Voice 7: policy statement. And I'm not sure that we know what that effect is right now. I mean,

[1:38:12] Voice 7: I think there should be some analysis done on how this trust policy statement is in alignment

[1:38:24] Voice 7: alignment with each LTC because I think that's really important going forward. And so do

[1:38:33] Voice 7: we sort of curtail trustee's direction and allow the executive committee a bigger hand

[1:38:48] Voice 7: in controlling what each local trust area does? I'm at this point uncomfortable with

[1:38:55] Voice 7: that position that we're we're handing some autonomy like we're handing galleons into panels

[1:39:01] Voice 7: to the executive i i'm i'm i wouldn't say fearful of that right now but i'm certainly

[1:39:09] Voice 7: um saying whether that's the right direction i understand completely on a lot of the points

[1:39:19] Voice 7: have been made about having policies that protect what we have but is that more a position for the

[1:39:29] Voice 7: galliano residents to make or is that position for the trust executive to me right and i think

[1:39:36] Voice 7: you know we were going to go into an ocp review um if this trust policy statement was in effect

[1:39:45] Voice 7: that would look completely different right and so um yeah this is why i want this process to go on

[1:39:53] Voice 7: a lot longer is i want to know what what sort of effects this has on galliana and my job as

[1:40:00] Voice 7: elected official is not to worry about what's happening on keats and gambier and uh you know

[1:40:06] Voice 8: it is actually well

[1:40:08] Voice 7: the guiding principles it is no as a

[1:40:11] Voice 8: trustee well

[1:40:12] Voice 7: there's a dual role

[1:40:16] Voice 7: you know

[1:40:17] Voice 7: there should be some independence to each island i think that's important

[1:40:27] Voice 9: yeah so

[1:40:28] Voice 11: so we're getting we're i don't want to get into a

[1:40:31] Voice 11: multi multi-person conversation

[1:40:34] Voice 11: but uh i think what what trustee maberly what what you're highlighting to me is the tension between

[1:40:42] Voice 11: the federation yes and local autonomy and my understanding is that has been a tension for the

[1:40:52] Voice 11: entire existence of the islands trust and the policy statement is a product of the federation

[1:41:02] Voice 11: it's also one that the province in the act says we must have um and i certainly haven't been to

[1:41:11] Voice 11: all of the local trust committees discussions about this draft policy statement but um i

[1:41:19] Voice 11: i had a question on my island

[1:41:21] Voice 11: that said but but they don't they know we're not like other islands

[1:41:27] Voice 11: and and my sense is is that every single one of our islands feels like that

[1:41:34] Voice 11: and so to me that is that that is the tension between the local autonomy and the federation

[1:41:40] Voice 11: and the federation has value don't want to get into a big conversation about that but i think

[1:41:45] Voice 11: what has been what i was speaking there one of the things that occurred to me is

[1:41:51] Voice 11: and back to my earlier comments about amending whatever policy statement we have on a regular

[1:42:00] Voice 11: basis is as the implementation of a new policy statement uh takes place however that is whether

[1:42:11] Voice 11: that's trust council directing all local

[1:42:13] Voice 4: trust committees to update their ocp it's not going to

[1:42:16] Voice 4: to happen all at once i'm just gonna tell you staff capacity it's gonna take a while but

[1:42:21] Voice 11: to me

[1:42:23] Voice 11: that presents a prime opportunity whether it's this community or another community going through

[1:42:29] Voice 11: their ocp and finding themselves coming up against a directive policy in whatever policy statement of

[1:42:39] Voice 11: the day that is is inhibiting

[1:42:42] Voice 4: the community doing what it feels it needs to do whether that's

[1:42:46] Voice 4: protection or permission that's the prime opportunity to review that policy to say to

[1:42:54] Voice 4: trust council this

[1:42:56] Voice 11: isn't working it's not working in our community and here's why

[1:43:01] Voice 11: and anyway it just occurred to me as you were speaking if if the

[1:43:06] Voice 10: existing trust council

[1:43:08] Voice 10: amendment

[1:43:09] Voice 11: policy is is to be actioned like that's a great opportunity if we don't update our OCPs

[1:43:17] Voice 11: and we don't see those

[1:43:18] Voice 4: pieces then i think what happens is this long-term kind of neglect that's

[1:43:22] Voice 4: happening which is seriously

[1:43:24] Voice 10: problematic that's about me um i was moving this way and i'm not

[1:43:29] Voice 10: sure i want to see if there's any first-time speakers i haven't heard from kath

[1:43:34] Voice 11: Thank you. I was trying to leave your question.

[1:43:39] I just wanted to comment on the reconciliation part.

[1:43:44] I think there's been a lot of positive steps forward in this term, right?

[1:43:52] The

[1:43:52] Voice 8: communication is a lot more regular than it was before.

[1:44:01] Voice 6: My hands really go up to this table

[1:44:04] Voice 8: here for the communication.

[1:44:07] Voice 8: We hear more, Melody hears more from this table than anyone else.

[1:44:13] I decided to share that.

[1:44:17] There's still a lot of work to be done.

[1:44:33] Voice 8: My recommendation is to have an advocate, knowledge holders be a part of that input.

[1:44:43] Voice 8: It is definitely important for an advocate to have the input, especially on value.

[1:44:50] I'm talking about Galeano because that's a weird place, but I just had to say that there's still a lot of work to be done, and I really

[1:44:59] Voice 8: want to thank you for all the effort.

[1:45:03] Voice 8: You know,

[1:45:03] Voice 8: we

[1:45:06] Voice 6: took a few good steps, but I think

[1:45:13] Voice 6: some of the issues

[1:45:13] Voice 7: right

[1:45:14] Voice 6: now to this day, I'm still sitting there going, what is it?

[1:45:17] Voice 6: The truth, we get dumped on. I just want to share it with everybody in the room. I want to share it with everybody.

[1:47:09] Voice 6: Thank you for your words.

[1:47:52] Voice 6: to i i just i have to acknowledge back that you have

[1:47:58] Voice 10: been coming to so many of these meetings

[1:48:00] Voice 10: and you your presence and engaging back

[1:48:04] Voice 11: with us has been essential to this whole process

[1:48:09] Voice 11: so my hands to you um any first-time speakers that i haven't heard from you sir

[1:48:19] Voice 8: i'd just like to say that as an observation of the policy statement you guys are looking at

[1:48:24] Voice 8: to recreate. I think it reflects something that's going on in the world, not just here in

[1:48:29] Voice 8: Galeano. You're not living in a bubble, you're living in a world that's going to kind of change

[1:48:35] Voice 8: this 100%.

[1:48:37] Voice 6: It's wrecking us. In a meeting down in Brazil, we saw indigenous

[1:48:44] Voice 8: people starting to do

[1:48:47] Voice 8: private protests about their lack of engagement. So I stand here and I'm saying,

[1:48:52] Voice 8: and now I'm a new friend here with Ken.

[1:48:56] Voice 8: This is something that I think if we try to recreate the past

[1:49:00] Voice 8: or keep the past, we could lose that.

[1:49:03] Voice 8: We've got artificial intelligence going on.

[1:49:06] Voice 8: How does that affect us?

[1:49:07] Voice 8: We've got climate change.

[1:49:08] Voice 8: How does that affect us?

[1:49:10] Voice 8: So there are certain local matters here,

[1:49:12] Voice 8: but part of that thing is that change is happening to us.

[1:49:19] Voice 8: We can't step back and say,

[1:49:21] Voice 8: I wish it was the way it was in the past.

[1:49:24] Voice 8: We've got to look forward to the future.

[1:49:26] Voice 8: And that is, I think, true.

[1:49:29] Voice 8: And reconciliation will go together.

[1:49:31] Voice 8: And that's what happened.

[1:49:34] Voice 8: Thanks for that.

[1:49:36] Voice 8: And I saw a hand down this way, first-time speakers.

[1:49:39] Hi, I'm Ruth.

[1:49:41] I'm here to acknowledge the work that we've been doing.

[1:49:46] Voice 2: I hope to go back to the 2003 policy statement.

[1:49:51] Voice 2: And

[1:49:52] Voice 9: when

[1:49:53] Voice 2: I think of how it is for newcomers to the island, people who are kind of wanting to live here, wanting to buy land here, the beginning of that statement, the preface and the initial remarks about how the legislation came into being and why and so on, it

[1:50:16] Voice 9: makes really good meaning.

[1:50:19] Voice 9: there is soul to it. And I didn't see that in the current document. I'm really

[1:50:32] Voice 2: encouraged that

[1:50:33] Voice 2: you've already sent this to the OPC. And I'm also very encouraged that

[1:50:43] Voice 2: you see the need for more time, more community involvement.

[1:50:49] Voice 2: But, you know, going through the documents, there are some advisory policies that I think should be directed to.

[1:51:01] Voice 2: For example, there's no

[1:51:02] Voice 9: Medicaid anywhere, there's no network plan.

[1:51:07] Voice 2: Yes, it needs to be updated, but that is a advisory policy, not a directive policy.

[1:51:18] Voice 2: I'm sorry, but

[1:51:19] Voice 2: as one of them said, oh, Jason said, you know, the trustees will

[1:51:27] Voice 8: follow

[1:51:28] Voice 2: their own policy.

[1:51:31] Voice 2: And that's why we need the directives.

[1:51:34] Voice 2: We need the directives and the fundamentals.

[1:51:41] Voice 2: So, oh, and the other thing that's been mentioned a lot is the fact that there's no definition of environment.

[1:51:49] Voice 2: No mention of natural environment.

[1:51:52] Voice 2: well again if it's fundamental if you don't follow the app so yeah thank you thank you

[1:52:02] Voice 6: okay

[1:52:05] Voice 10: any other first-time speakers

[1:52:08] Voice 11: okay i will take uh one more round of uh

[1:52:15] Voice 11: second time and then i think i'll look to trustees and see uh how we'll do it

[1:52:25] Voice 8: I'll start on this and again when and as briefly as you can and yeah okay so I'm looking at goal

[1:52:33] Voice 8: number three and uh the reason I'm looking at that is somebody said words really matter

[1:52:38] Voice 9: and it's titled preserve and protect healthy and biodiverse ecosystem

[1:52:44] Voice 2: so that could end up meaning

[1:52:47] Voice 2: meaning, don't preserve and protect ecosystems

[1:52:51] Voice 8: that are not healthy and bio-diverse.

[1:52:55] Voice 8: Possibly it should say, preserve and protect the health and biodiversity of ecosystems.

[1:53:02] Voice 8: You know, that would read as health.

[1:53:04] Voice 8: And the other problem in the blurb underneath is that the policies in this section aim

[1:53:10] Voice 2: to identify and protect key ecosystem types and characteristics.

[1:53:14] Voice 2: And again, as Risa mentioned, it's not necessarily only the key ecosystem types, but all the factors are going to an ecosystem being healthy and diverse that needs to be protected.

[1:53:32] Voice 2: In other words, we don't want just nice looking

[1:53:34] Voice 8: backdrops.

[1:53:35] Voice 8: We want functional ecosystems.

[1:53:38] Voice 8: So I think the wording needs to be changed.

[1:53:40] Voice 8: Thank you.

[1:53:41] Voice 6: Okay, thank you.

[1:53:45] Voice 6: Two quick points. When Justin put up the PowerPoint, it showed the public engagement piece for

[1:53:59] Voice 6: once the first reading was adopted. So really what, there's nothing in that public engagement

[1:54:07] Voice 6: process that involves a series of meetings, of opportunities for people to come together

[1:54:16] Voice 6: and discuss.

[1:54:17] Voice 6: This is our only opportunity to discuss the public policy statement, and it's not really

[1:54:24] Voice 6: a workshop as such.

[1:54:25] Voice 6: We don't get a chance to sit down with each other to talk about what we want and bring

[1:54:30] Voice 8: bring forward uh our our opinions or our feelings to the to the main table we're just sort of

[1:54:37] Voice 8: speaking to you and getting our comments uh which you you know don't know what what happens to these

[1:54:45] Voice 8: comments once we make them so i think that there really needed to be a more much more fulsome

[1:54:51] Voice 8: public engagement piece for the process of developing a new trust policy sheet

[1:55:00] Voice 8: and yeah i i

[1:55:03] Voice 8: share some of the you

[1:55:05] Voice 6: know so you know sending it to the apc as a would be a positive

[1:55:11] Voice 6: step and perhaps you know locally some kind of public engagement could be organized by the apc

[1:55:19] Voice 6: seen part of this process and it's possible the

[1:55:24] Voice 10: the other point I would make I had similar

[1:55:27] Voice 10: concerns about the housing piece

[1:55:33] Voice 8: that just doesn't seem like opportunities

[1:55:38] Voice 6: for

[1:55:39] Voice 6: increasing the diversity of housing in the whole section it's not sufficiently targeted at

[1:55:48] Voice 6: affordable housing specifically housing that would be guaranteed by housing agreement

[1:55:54] Voice 6: could be affordable that

[1:55:56] Voice 8: opens up i read it in some cases it opens up the field to an increase

[1:56:03] Voice 8: in market housing which i don't think is what what communities

[1:56:08] Voice 6: really want so that section

[1:56:14] Voice 6: section doesn't need so much attention okay sandy yeah

[1:56:21] Voice 8: to ben's point about and your point

[1:56:23] Voice 8: in the local economy i mean i don't think we have a federation at all i don't think

[1:56:28] Voice 8: unless they knew that they were going to have a lot of autonomy and in the present trust policy

[1:56:36] Voice 8: statement and the role of the local trust committee it said each local trust committee

[1:56:40] Voice 8: works with its island community to develop policies and regulations to suit local needs

[1:56:46] Voice 8: while still supporting the Islands Trust object and policy statement.

[1:56:50] Voice 8: But it gives some, and, you know, like to address,

[1:56:53] Voice 8: I know that drives some people crazy,

[1:56:55] Voice 8: but to address means to turn your attention to it.

[1:56:58] Voice 8: And if there wasn't that flexibility,

[1:57:00] Voice 8: I think there would be a great deal of strain within the Islands Trust

[1:57:04] Voice 8: to disband, you know, because they have to be so rigidly enforced

[1:57:11] Voice 8: to make it completely ironclad for every community.

[1:57:15] Voice 8: really i don't think that would work and i know that i'm going to get a lot of disagreement with

[1:57:19] Voice 8: that but you know i do believe that it's necessary for that yeah thank

[1:57:27] Voice 4: you for that and um i'll just

[1:57:31] Voice 4: share that in the many deliberations of trust council wordsmithing a lot of these policies

[1:57:41] Voice 4: that flexibility was highlighted in and in some cases some trustees wanting more and some cases wanting less and to my perspective is what I when I look at any of the directed policies and

[1:58:01] Voice 4: And some of them direct the local trust to committee to identify a suitable location

[1:58:09] Voice 4: or support a range of or identify or limit or prohibit.

[1:58:18] Voice 4: In a lot of the language that's used is purposely not highly prescriptive of the local trust

[1:58:27] Voice 4: committee and and the exact approach that they must take to meet the directive policies

[1:58:33] Voice 4: and that's my perspective that's not on accident um and and so i know in my community

[1:58:43] Voice 4: the question i keep asking is can you pinpoint a policy in the wording that is gonna really uh

[1:58:54] Voice 4: prohibit the island our island from doing what it is the stuff you feel that we need to do

[1:59:02] Voice 4: like what about this wording is it is going to stop us from doing what we need to do or the

[1:59:08] Voice 4: or the flip side is what about this wording is going to allow what we don't want to have

[1:59:13] Voice 4: so that but we just want to just speak the flexibility of language

[1:59:20] Voice 8: when you say identify and prioritize it seems like well you can prioritize that policy over

[1:59:27] Voice 8: another policy when you know i see an ocp in a trust policy statement just working together

[1:59:34] Voice 8: you know like our road network plans and our you know development and how that takes place and

[1:59:40] Voice 8: and that sort of stuff they're all of a piece they're not disparate kind of

[1:59:46] Voice 8: regulations they all work together and you know when you say prioritize and identify I mean

[1:59:53] Voice 8: to address the needs means more you know you have to turn your mind to it and if you say that

[2:00:00] Voice 8: this regulation we can't meet that level and provide a rationale and we say this is the reason

[2:00:06] Voice 8: you know our community has this you know a variety of needs or whatever i mean galeano's

[2:00:14] Voice 8: a lot different than a lot of items and

[2:00:17] Voice 2: you know

[2:00:20] Voice 2: same and thank you for listening okay

[2:00:24] Voice 11: i know jennifer has wanted one more and then i'm going

[2:00:28] Voice 10: come to recent

[2:00:28] Voice 8: then i'm going to check with those trustees and look at their time yeah yeah just to

[2:00:34] Voice 8: follow up on what diane had to say i think the lack of definition for environment is

[2:00:40] Voice 8: a big deficit that should clearly state natural environment and and that doesn't exclude the

[2:00:49] Voice 8: built environment but it it puts priority on protection of what we have left of the natural

[2:00:55] Voice 8: environment and you know to me that's the only way the object can really be fulfilled and i think

[2:01:03] Voice 8: that's a big problem with this particular draft the the other thing just to go back to again to

[2:01:11] Voice 8: directives and principles i mean there's three guiding principles um in section two general

[2:01:18] Voice 8: rule guiding principles. And I don't quite understand why they can't be directed. One is

[2:01:26] Voice 8: prioritize environmental and indigenous cultural heritage protection seems to be a very important

[2:01:33] Voice 8: one. One is 2.1.3 limit the rate and scale of development. And already mentioned that in an

[2:01:42] Voice 8: earlier comment and 2.1.5 take guidance from the precautionary principle i mean those are sort of

[2:01:50] Voice 8: i don't really see why those could not be directives because they clearly establish

[2:01:58] Voice 8: some important guidelines i think that really would apply to should apply to all life i mean

[2:02:07] Voice 8: I mean, yes, islands are different in many ways, but they're also similar in many ways.

[2:02:13] Voice 8: We have very similar kinds of limitations in terms of our resources and our services.

[2:02:20] Voice 8: And I guess I don't necessarily agree that directives should not be able to be applied to every island or every community

[2:02:33] Voice 8: if they're designed to really implement the the object the trust mandate and and just very quickly

[2:02:43] Voice 8: i i really agree with art that i don't think i i know you guys have been working on this for a long

[2:02:49] Voice 8: time and previous council was too but i i really think there have been and i hear this from a lot

[2:02:55] Voice 8: of people on different isles really insufficient time for people to even get up to speed with what

[2:03:02] Voice 8: the trust is and you know there are lots of new people on the islands and and there hasn't been

[2:03:08] Voice 8: you know very much public education on that and then in terms of really being able to have

[2:03:14] Voice 8: conversations with one another as art mentioned in small groups that's really been missing from this

[2:03:21] Voice 8: process and i understand that staff resources are limited but surely that's something that

[2:03:28] Voice 8: the trustees, even as individuals, could sort of have led, could lead, could still lead, you know,

[2:03:36] Voice 8: an invitation, you know, to get together, get groups together, just to talk about different

[2:03:41] Voice 8: aspects of the draft.

[2:03:46] Voice 10: Okay, Risa. Yeah,

[2:03:48] Voice 2: I'll be super short. This is just a big one.

[2:03:51] Voice 2: Like, I'm personally willing to put work into getting the words right and, you know, really

[2:03:56] Voice 2: thinking about this but what happens if i do that to those comments like for example you're one

[2:04:02] Voice 2: person like one human being do you have a community advisory group to help you vet all the comments

[2:04:09] Voice 2: and look at how they might be incorporated or is that just staff doing like i mean i just you know

[2:04:16] Voice 2: what i mean like it's a big job to do that in a good way it's not possible for one individual

[2:04:23] Voice 2: or people not based in the island communities to do that. So I'm willing to

[2:04:29] Voice 2: put the work in, but I don't want to do it if it's a waste.

[2:04:33] Voice 2: I'm not saying that you're saying it is, I just want to know the process.

[2:04:36] Voice 8: No, it is just a staff exercise. There is no sort

[2:04:41] Voice 5: of greater body that I am involved in.

[2:04:45] Voice 5: I mean, obviously I have colleagues at the Islands Trust that I go to in specific topic areas if I need advice.

[2:04:53] Voice 5: information that is being provided today is really just for the benefit of your trustees and how they

[2:05:00] Voice 5: choose to respond to their referral to trust counsel and whether they want to make any

[2:05:05] Voice 5: suggestions to trust counsel or how to you know i'm hearing it and there are you know our ideas

[2:05:12] Voice 5: that come up in this meeting and other meetings that i attend where you know light goes off and

[2:05:16] Voice 5: it's like oh yes that change certainly should be either definitely made or at least considered

[2:05:21] Voice 5: considered to be made by Trust Council, so, okay, I'm just trying to think carefully here.

[2:05:32] Voice 5: This feedback from today will likely not make it to Trust Council, it will inform what will

[2:05:39] Voice 5: make it to Trust Council is your local trust committee's referral response, informed by

[2:05:46] Voice 5: what they hear today.

[2:05:48] Voice 5: Emails addressed to the Islands 2050 email address make it directly to Trust Council

[2:05:54] Voice 5: are available for them to do sort of in real time and then in terms of how I might bring information

[2:06:02] Voice 5: to trust council to consider revisions I mean I can bring the ideas that seem to me to be good

[2:06:09] Voice 5: like where there's certainly a deficit in a document that can easily be read but beyond that

[2:06:14] Voice 5: it's really incumbent upon the trustees themselves to begin thinking about the changes that they want

[2:06:20] Voice 5: to see maybe based on on what they're learning so

[2:06:23] Voice 2: then there's nowhere from what i heard you say

[2:06:27] Voice 2: maybe a better check that i'm hearing sure um there's no process for people to

[2:06:34] Voice 2: community members or community groups to actually go through the documented detail and

[2:06:43] Voice 2: highlight what needs to be changed what what in their opinion needs to be changed the details

[2:06:48] Voice 2: there's no there's no use in doing that because it's not going to be there's no process well

[2:06:55] Voice 5: there's not there is not an island's trust organized process around that obviously you

[2:07:01] Voice 5: and your community and communities here on the island can get together and do that and provide

[2:07:07] Voice 5: that feedback to trust council which they then may or may not consider but there is no island's

[2:07:13] Voice 5: trust convenient process where that's happening so

[2:07:15] Voice 2: we would apply to the 2050 email yeah that's

[2:07:20] Voice 2: where you would send stuff

[2:07:21] Voice 5: yeah we recently received a letter for example from i think

[2:07:24] Voice 5: the friends of the gulf islands of course we received quite a bit of correspondence

[2:07:27] Voice 5: from but we recently received one from what is the other gulf

[2:07:33] Voice 8: islands alliance from the

[2:07:34] Voice 5: gulf islands alliance for example so the gulf islands alliance i would presume must have brought

[2:07:38] Voice 5: together talk about the public policy statement and provided a response to trust council and now

[2:07:44] Voice 5: it will be up to trust council to determine what they want what the gulf islands alliance has said

[2:07:51] Voice 5: if anything yes

[2:07:57] Voice 8: it's uh islands 2050 and islands trust fbc.ca

[2:08:05] Voice 8: you can read all the correspondence that's there now

[2:08:16] Voice 8: Yeah, I was just trying to

[2:08:20] Voice 7: get this thing working very,

[2:08:26] Voice 8: very slowly coming back.

[2:08:46] Voice 5: Okay,

[2:08:50] Voice 8: so trustee, as what I promised I would check in at this point, we do have some other

[2:08:58] Voice 8: business to get through today. I also want us to take a break shortly here. So I just

[2:09:05] Voice 8: wanted to check in with you on, we want to give more opportunities today, take more time

[2:09:15] Voice 8: to hear uh from the public everyone who's wanted to speak uh at least one has had at least one

[2:09:23] Voice 8: chance to speak and several people more than that so i wanted to check in do you want to have a

[2:09:27] Voice 8: break now and then come back and think about that are you ready to move on to the rest of the agenda

[2:09:33] Voice 8: i just want to make sure that i'm giving you guys the space to prioritize for the rest of our time

[2:09:40] Voice 8: here today which is uh

[2:09:41] Voice 9: we do have yeah is this still on the agenda today and we are available

[2:09:47] Voice 9: for maybe the public as well as always i have pages of notes thank you for reading that just

[2:09:58] Voice 7: i think

[2:10:00] Voice 8: we're

[2:10:09] Voice 7: at a point where we've taken a good first step

[2:10:11] Voice 7: i think we've asked the apc to look at this and i think it would be prudent for us to have a

[2:10:17] Voice 7: similar style of meeting um after the abc has made its report we can have a public conversation on

[2:10:24] Voice 7: that on what the apc comes up with and um and they also the other thing i think we should do is

[2:10:31] Voice 7: interested now with the development on the policy statement as well so i i

[2:10:37] Voice 7: I frankly see quite a bit more opportunity for engagement ahead

[2:10:41] Voice 7: in my sort of version of how this should go.

[2:10:48] Voice 7: I'm probably going to get feedback from staff, but, you know, that's okay.

[2:10:55] Voice 7: But that's where I would see it.

[2:10:57] Voice 7: So I think we can sort of – we've had a good initial discussion.

[2:11:01] Voice 7: That's what the ABC take a look at it.

[2:11:04] Voice 7: and then and let's have another good discussion after after we've heard back from them

[2:11:10] Voice 8: i can make just a quick comment i think the what i received and heard today have it has been

[2:11:15] Voice 8: absolutely fantastic i've only been at this is my second meeting in terms of the policy statement

[2:11:20] Voice 8: i know jason has done quite a few of them but um what was really helpful to hear uh for me and i'm

[2:11:28] Voice 8: sure for trustees and also jason is when you're looking at the document really taking a look at

[2:11:33] Voice 8: the word here if there's some warning that doesn't make sense or you think it should be changed

[2:11:38] Voice 8: really get down to the nitty-gritty details i think that would be really helpful i'm even

[2:11:43] Voice 8: doing it myself making changes so that would be really helpful if you're sending an email to the

[2:11:49] Voice 8: items 2050 and i'm just trying to use the oca you can say oh policy 2.4.6 doesn't make any sense

[2:11:56] Voice 8: these are the reasons or this is how i think it should change these are the words that i think

[2:12:01] Voice 8: would be helpful so but fantastic job community yeah thank

[2:12:08] Voice 6: you for

[2:12:09] Voice 10: that and just to uh trustee

[2:12:11] Voice 10: mabry's point i think um regardless of whether trust council decides to expand extend the uh

[2:12:18] Voice 10: the public consultation

[2:12:19] Voice 8: period in a formal way uh i don't i see there's

[2:12:23] Voice 10: nothing uh preventing

[2:12:25] Voice 10: uh local trustees and local trust committees to have conversation with community first nations

[2:12:30] Voice 10: partners um during the process which is it's not going to magically

[2:12:38] Voice 8: be resolved

[2:12:39] Voice 8: all when that february date comes up there's going to be time for trust

[2:12:44] Voice 8: council to consider

[2:12:45] Voice 8: uh you know there'll be staff reporting um it's not one like it's not going to wrap up so

[2:12:52] Voice 8: if

[2:12:53] Voice 10: there are community-based conversations that you think that are important to have

[2:12:56] Voice 10: with your trustees that

[2:12:58] Voice 8: items that you want to share um with your trustees and the trust

[2:13:02] Voice 8: council i encourage you to do that um it's it's not over yet and what council decides to do with

[2:13:09] Voice 10: advice in terms of making amendments before further reading that's it's anybody's test in

[2:13:16] Voice 10: some ways uh i've only been really uh a couple of these so far so there's there's lots of time left

[2:13:23] Voice 11: yeah um i

[2:13:25] Voice 8: do want to

[2:13:25] Voice 11: recess us for a couple minutes here so uh uh

[2:13:36] Voice 11: Let's do 50. Let's come back at 3.30.

[2:13:39] Voice 11: Who's next?

[2:13:40] Voice 8: 3.30.

[2:30:05] Voice 3: Thank you.

[2:30:14] Voice 8: So we're going to move on to the rest of our agenda here.

[2:30:23] Voice 8: We're now at section 11.

[2:30:25] Voice 8: So we have the minutes of the October 14th meeting for adoption.

[2:30:31] Voice 8: Any corrections to the minutes?

[2:30:36] Voice 11: No, I have none.

[2:30:37] Voice 11: I'll take it by general consent.

[2:30:39] Voice 11: We'll adopt those minutes as presented.

[2:30:43] Voice 8: And then we have a resolution without meaning to report.

[2:30:46] Voice 8: and uh

[2:30:50] Voice 10: we have the advisory planning commission minutes dated uh october 7th and october 28th

[2:30:57] Voice 10: and october 18th

[2:30:59] Voice 3: then

[2:31:00] Voice 11: i just want to pause for a moment and express my gratitude to the

[2:31:05] Voice 11: commissioners

[2:31:06] Voice 8: for doing a lot of work and it's really appreciated trustees are

[2:31:16] Voice 8: Thank you. Yeah, I also want to express my gratitude for all the work. Even though the OCP project may not be going ahead within the next year, perhaps it will in the near future. And that information is still going to be used. And I think it's fantastic that we have that information now.

[2:31:36] Voice 8: we're giving up the project so it's a great thank you it'll

[2:31:40] Voice 9: save us months yes

[2:31:44] Voice 8: for whenever for whenever it does kick off you know it's all good

[2:31:50] Voice 8: okay so

[2:31:59] Voice 11: we will receive those minutes and then next the follow-up action report i'm going to

[2:32:03] Voice 11: turn it over to platter stockfield to highlight anything you'd like

[2:32:06] Voice 6: to uh highlight thank you

[2:32:08] Voice 8: chair there are a few things that i wanted to bring to the ltc's uh discussion or attention

[2:32:13] Voice 8: that we could potentially discuss one

[2:32:16] Voice 1: of those is

[2:32:17] Voice 8: on page 72 of the agenda it's from april of

[2:32:23] Voice 8: earlier this year to set up a meeting with delicate uh chief council and staff we had

[2:32:29] Voice 8: hope to do that for fall but of course to do delays to do the ucd strikes um i'm just wondering if

[2:32:37] Voice 8: you're okay with that to do that to spring of next year or if you'd like to like to try to achieve

[2:32:44] Voice 8: that earlier we could do that or if there's another um it sounds like we want to especially

[2:32:52] Voice 8: return to the policy statement if you try to get something like that in january tough with

[2:32:57] Voice 8: schedules so just kind of looking for direction and thoughts thoughts

[2:33:03] Voice 7: yep go ahead um i mean i

[2:33:06] Voice 7: think first step would be to contact them delicate and see what the availability is there um i'm good

[2:33:11] Voice 7: with the spring because i think we'll still be doing the policy statement in the spring anyway

[2:33:15] Voice 7: so uh let's let's see if we can set up a good meeting and um and uh cover a couple of issues

[2:33:22] Voice 7: Yeah, that

[2:33:24] Voice 8: sounds awesome. Great. Thank you. So I

[2:33:26] Voice 1: will send

[2:33:27] Voice 8: them an email as well in the next week

[2:33:32] Voice 8: and I will report back to you before the meeting in regards to that. District law 86 and 85 we

[2:33:42] Voice 8: have on the agenda today. So any items there I will be discussing when we go over those

[2:33:48] Voice 8: applications sorry that's on page 73 of the follow-up action list page 74 um the main item

[2:33:58] Voice 8: there is it's noted as activity number four and this is the referral to the apc for the policy

[2:34:06] Voice 8: statement um currently the the referral to the apc for the ocp uh costs about sixteen hundred

[2:34:17] Voice 8: so there is a cost associated with this referral to the APC so that is a consideration to the LTC

[2:34:24] Voice 8: and staff haven't set the referral because the APC just finished the OCP review but if the LTC

[2:34:31] Voice 8: still feels that referral should be sent to the APC we can do that and the deadline for response

[2:34:37] Voice 8: for the APC would be at the end of January because the LTC you have to provide your comments

[2:34:43] Voice 8: by the February meeting.

[2:34:47] Voice 8: So I just want to make sure that the LTC still would like staff

[2:34:50] Voice 8: to get that referral this week.

[2:34:55] Voice 8: Or if you decide not to, just direction the staff to not send it out

[2:34:58] Voice 8: due to budget considerations.

[2:35:01] Voice 7: Oh, absolutely.

[2:35:02] Voice 7: We'll send it out.

[2:35:03] Voice 8: Yep.

[2:35:03] Voice 7: We'll have a discussion today.

[2:35:06] Voice 2: They will be busy over the holiday season.

[2:35:12] Voice 8: Who missed me?

[2:35:13] Voice 8: so on page 75 uh in terms of the groundwater sustainability project staff although the

[2:35:22] Voice 8: bylaws have been adopted ocp has been updated and used by long web page um staff will be reporting

[2:35:29] Voice 8: back with potential to a potential amendment to the dai bylaw um so that is something that we will

[2:35:37] Voice 8: report back on um i think that's it i apologize for the long list um there are things that we

[2:35:47] Voice 8: hadn't checked off due to the delay in the last few months um but if there's any specific questions

[2:35:52] Voice 8: was attractive to them just

[2:35:56] Voice 6: any questions

[2:35:56] Voice 7: i think this is covered everything for me

[2:35:59] Voice 7: you

[2:36:00] Voice 9: can explain so the public understands what a development information is that's a fantastic

[2:36:06] Voice 9: question um

[2:36:08] Voice 8: yeah yeah this bylaw lays out um requirements or professional reports um that

[2:36:16] Voice 8: can be requested for in terms of a development application that could be a temporary use permit

[2:36:22] Voice 8: a development permit for this only application so it specifies a professional report and how

[2:36:30] Voice 8: the professional report should be completed so we have to review um the ground elevated

[2:36:37] Voice 8: groundwater section of the dai bylaw to see if that's still applicable to be updated

[2:36:44] Voice 8: and uh dpa and uh i

[2:36:50] Voice 10: know there's a lot of uh completed on this list so the list will be

[2:36:55] Voice 10: markedly shorter at our next meeting okay then um action

[2:37:05] Voice 11: list uh so then we have a piece of

[2:37:10] Voice 11: correspondence uh page 78 79 trustees any uh any

[2:37:16] Voice 8: action desire should we just receive for

[2:37:18] Voice 8: information

[2:37:18] Voice 9: it's just for information yep

[2:37:22] Voice 8: all right and through the chair this information

[2:37:25] Voice 8: is also sent to our gis department so they can update our gis layers because we do have

[2:37:31] Voice 8: mapping for which properties are the private force management

[2:37:39] Voice 8: okay thank you for that information we've had our break so we're straight on to the applications and

[2:37:47] Voice 8: referrals we did a reordering at the beginning so we're going to start with um with the uh

[2:37:55] Voice 8: glrz 2022.2 just 85 and over to staff thank

[2:38:01] Voice 2: you chair uh so this staff

[2:38:04] Voice 8: report is in relation to

[2:38:05] Voice 8: district law 85 the rezoning for that uh to refresh our memories uh the two bylaws associated

[2:38:14] Voice 8: with this application has been given,

[2:38:16] Voice 8: they have been given first reading.

[2:38:19] Voice 8: The LTC has also stated that both bylaws are not contrary

[2:38:23] Voice 8: to or at variance with the policy statement.

[2:38:27] Voice 8: That also a section two, section 219 covenants are required

[2:38:33] Voice 8: as a, before the LTC can consider a final adoption

[2:38:38] Voice 8: of the bylaws.

[2:38:40] Voice 8: us and also that we're waiting for the draft cabinets have been received staff have to review

[2:38:46] Voice 8: those first but they will be circulated to the ltc i just wanted to make those see if there's any

[2:38:52] Voice 8: changes first or for a sense of the ltc those should be in your mailboxes soon and also posted

[2:38:58] Voice 8: to the webpage um and also we have received the environmental baseline report from the applicant

[2:39:06] Voice 8: can so in the staff report um what we did was included all the items listed in the terms of

[2:39:14] Voice 8: reference and on the status of those documents um so everything has been received to date

[2:39:21] Voice 8: um what we were hoping for is received before we move forward to public hearing is um pumping tests

[2:39:30] Voice 8: for the existing wells although there is a cost associated to that for the applicant

[2:39:39] Voice 8: so what staff is recommending I understand there is time sensitivity to move this application

[2:39:46] Voice 8: forward to get to the public hearing not only for the applicant but for Connecticut and I think for

[2:39:52] Voice 8: just a community in the LDC we're ready to get make it to the next stage what we have to be aware

[2:39:57] Voice 8: When we have that public hearing, the LTC can't receive any new information after that public hearing.

[2:40:05] Voice 8: So we want to make sure the LTC has all its information before that date.

[2:40:10] Voice 8: So the groundwater report that was received as part of this application,

[2:40:16] Voice 8: the state said that basically it's assuming that based on data available currently that supplying the requirement of 2,000 liters per day shouldn't be an issue.

[2:40:27] Voice 8: Generally, we like the pumping test done now, so we have that information in front of us, but staff is now recommending that we include the pumping test requirements at the subdivision stage, and that can be done as a condition in one of the covenants.

[2:40:50] Voice 8: so the reason why staff is bringing this forward now rather than

[2:40:55] Voice 8: contest is that information can be done at the subdivision stage

[2:41:00] Voice 8: um there certainly is a reason to this board to the public hearing

[2:41:05] Voice 8: um and the applicant is aware that they do take on the risk of um by not providing this information

[2:41:13] Voice 8: now they take on the risk that if let's say a pump test comes back that says well actually there's

[2:41:19] Voice 8: not enough groundwater then site plans may have to be adjusted um but a staff put together a

[2:41:26] Voice 8: recommendation which is number three that i'm just going to read it out because i know that

[2:41:31] Voice 8: some people may have not received this that report because it was a staff report that was

[2:41:36] Voice 8: posted after the agenda was released it's on the website though uh recommend recommendation number

[2:41:43] Voice 8: Number one and two is to give both bylaws a second reading.

[2:41:48] Voice 8: And the third is that the LTC request staff to schedule a CIM and public hearing for both this application and also the rezoning application for District Law 86.

[2:42:02] Voice 8: And that staff add a condition to the draft Section 219 Development Control Covenants that then will require the pump test to confirm groundwater quality and quantity of all wells on future lots with a residential use prior to subdivision approval by the Ministry of Transportation and Transit.

[2:42:26] Voice 8: it um and i also wanted to note that there are the lcc may want to consider making an amendment

[2:42:36] Voice 8: to the um the zoning of that portion of land for district lot 85 that currently has deployed

[2:42:44] Voice 8: uh the post by land use file number 295 um as the zone i'm sorry as the bylaw is written now

[2:42:53] Voice 8: that portion of land would be re-zoned to a site specific for industrial use but it's now

[2:42:59] Voice 8: my understanding the LTC may consider actually rezoning that portion of land to nature protection

[2:43:05] Voice 8: and that portion of land is also being transferred to Connecticut so if the LTC is considering

[2:43:14] Voice 8: rezoning that portion there's a draft motion that I've circulated to the LTC consideration

[2:43:19] Voice 8: integration. And that would be to amend the bylaw 295. So this

[2:43:26] Voice 8: portion of land currently has a quarry, it would be rezoned from

[2:43:30] Voice 8: forest one to nature protection. And also to delete that section

[2:43:36] Voice 8: in the land use bylaw amendment that references the new forest

[2:43:41] Voice 8: industrial sea zone, you wouldn't require that as their

[2:43:45] Voice 8: their land would be resourced to the X portion of LTC and also the OCP

[2:43:51] Voice 8: should reflect that same

[2:43:53] Voice 8: amendment so the land designation for that portion of where the quarry is would be

[2:43:58] Voice 8: re-designated from forest to nature protection so if the LTC would like to

[2:44:08] Voice 8: consider those amendments I recommend making the motion to amend the bylaw first

[2:44:14] Voice 8: then give it second reading as amended and i

[2:44:17] Voice 9: will leave it at

[2:44:18] Voice 8: that and i'm happy to answer

[2:44:19] Voice 8: any questions the ltc may have on the opportunity as well i just want to make a comment first also

[2:44:25] Voice 8: for ken to speak on behalf of um that quarry i'm just wondering if that shouldn't be rezoned to um

[2:44:34] Voice 8: forest industrial because for the sake of galliano not for the sake of anybody but the entire island

[2:44:39] Voice 8: because we are so limited the whole island is right now currently relying on that quarry for

[2:44:44] Voice 9: gravel sand rock and then and the penelope would then own that and benefit financially

[2:44:50] Voice 9: from owning that quarry so just

[2:44:54] Voice 8: just the quarry should be would that make sense for that quarry

[2:44:58] Voice 8: to say um i

[2:45:00] Voice 7: just mentioned i'm abandoning off the back i think um the reality is is um

[2:45:07] Voice 7: You know, there's difficulty within our land use bylaws for having a quarry, rezoning to a quarry, but the reality is if an delegate wanted to continue with that quarry activity, all they would have to do is make the allocations for lands and mines.

[2:45:22] Voice 7: So it doesn't prohibit the ballot

[2:45:24] Voice 7: for compiling a quarry in that portion. It's just to bring the value in line with what we certainly intended during the first instance.

[2:45:32] Voice 7: and

[2:45:34] Voice 11: i just wanted a clarification on the um on the third recommendation in the report

[2:45:43] Voice 11: and that's that the requiring the pump test prior to subdivision approval

[2:45:50] Voice 10: means that the pump test could happen any time between now and just not the subdivision would

[2:45:59] Voice 10: not be improved until that's

[2:46:01] Voice 9: correct yeah so

[2:46:01] Voice 10: it leaves it leaves flexibility

[2:46:03] Voice 9: yeah

[2:46:04] Voice 10: so

[2:46:07] Voice 8: can i get a

[2:46:08] Voice 8: clarification on that please um so as far as the rezoning we do not have to do the pump test or the

[2:46:15] Voice 8: or or the or the well uh yeah it goes remotely yes yeah okay that that's all right perfect thank you

[2:46:25] Voice 8: it's still a requirement tuning it to the subdivision yeah yeah

[2:46:30] Voice 10: yes yes

[2:46:34] Voice 3: okay

[2:46:35] Voice 10: and then i want to

[2:46:36] Voice 11: yeah and then i want to direct our attention back to

[2:46:41] Voice 8: the this notion of

[2:46:42] Voice 8: of uh of amending before we uh proceed to those thoughts please

[2:46:48] Voice 8: I

[2:46:49] Voice 9: move that the Galleano Local Trust Committee, bylaw number 294, cited as the Galleano Official Community Plan,

[2:47:00] Voice 9: bylaw number 108, 1995, amendment number 2, 2024, be amended by redesignating a portion of the property

[2:47:10] Voice 9: from forest to nature protection in section 2, schedule B.

[2:47:18] Voice 10: all right uh discussion all

[2:47:22] Voice 9: right i'll call the

[2:47:25] Voice 10: question all in favor and that carries

[2:47:29] Voice 9: i have a second motion for an amendment to the bylaw please i moved at the galliano local trust

[2:47:34] Voice 9: community bylaw number 294 so it is um official wait a minute

[2:47:41] Voice 9: sorry that's not the amendment

[2:47:42] Voice 9: that's adoption i wouldn't mind doing the amendment to

[2:47:50] Voice 9: yeah i think we will amend it first and then we'll give them second readings

[2:47:54] Voice 9: all right so the galliano i moved the galliano local trust committee bylaw number 295 cited as

[2:48:04] Voice 9: the galliano land use bylaw number 127 1999 amendment number one uh 2024 be amended by

[2:48:15] Voice 9: deleting section 2.3 and amending the zoning from forest industrial zone variant c

[2:48:24] Voice 9: to nature protection in section 2.4

[2:48:29] Voice 10: yeah second second discussion thank you

[2:48:34] Voice 10: i'll call the question all those in favor and that carries

[2:48:37] Voice 10: I

[2:48:39] Voice 9: move the Galeano Local Trust Committee bylaw number 294, cited as the Galeano Island Official Community Plan, bylaw number 108, 1995, amendment number 2, 2024, be read

[2:48:56] Voice 2: a second time as amended.

[2:48:59] Voice 10: Moved. Seconded. Any discussion? No.

[2:49:04] Voice 10: i'll call the question all those in favor that carries another

[2:49:09] Voice 9: motion here the i move at the

[2:49:12] Voice 9: galliano local trust committee bylaw number 295 cited as a galliano island land use bylaw number

[2:49:20] Voice 9: 27, I'm sorry, 127, 1999, amendment number 1, 2024. We read a second time as amended.

[2:49:32] Voice 8: Moved. Seconded. Seconded. Any discussion? I'll call the question. All those in favor?

[2:49:38] Voice 8: Motion carries. Thank

[2:49:39] Voice 9: you. And then our final bylaw, I move that the Galeano Local Trust

[2:49:45] Voice 9: Committee request staff to schedule a community information meeting and a public hearing for

[2:49:51] Voice 9: the february 10 2026 regular meetings for rezoning application gl rz 2023.1.2 sorry and for rezoning

[2:50:02] Voice 9: application gl rz 2021.2 and that staff added condition to the draft section 219 development

[2:50:12] Voice 9: control covenant requiring pump tests to confirm the groundwater quantity and the quality of the

[2:50:19] Voice 9: wells in the future lots with residential use prior to subdivision approval by the ministry

[2:50:25] Voice 9: of transportation and transit's approval officer moved

[2:50:29] Voice 10: second and discussion i'll call the question

[2:50:34] Voice 10: all those in favor and that carries as well all right anything else on this file should we move

[2:50:40] Voice 10: along

[2:50:41] Voice 8: yes

[2:50:43] Voice 10: sir okay

[2:50:44] Voice 8: so another good question is uh so publicly uh hearing on february

[2:50:50] Voice 8: is confirmed and so just so i understand perfect second and third reading

[2:50:57] Voice 8: that is that exactly so third would that happen

[2:50:59] Voice 6: at the same meeting yes it could happen

[2:51:15] Voice 11: okay so can we move on to the uh

[2:51:19] Voice 8: i guess it's 16.2 now yes so this stuff

[2:51:23] Voice 8: go ahead this step report is in relation to district law 86 and the staff report was posted

[2:51:31] Voice 8: to the agenda um so there is a different recommendation it didn't include that motion

[2:51:36] Voice 8: that we just dealt with with district law 85. um so again this applicant has provided

[2:51:43] Voice 8: provided everything in the terms of reference. There's already been a pump test done for one of

[2:51:50] Voice 8: the wells and information that we've received to date states that there should be no issues with

[2:51:56] Voice 8: providing supply of water. If there's any issues with quality, those will be addressed at the

[2:52:03] Voice 8: subdivision stage and then also maybe conditions for addressing that quality of groundwater.

[2:52:08] Voice 8: water um so in terms of the proposed bylaw they've already been given first reading staff are not

[2:52:17] Voice 8: intending any amendments to the bylaws so the ltc would like to receive the ltc can give second

[2:52:25] Voice 8: reading to these bylaws although second reading can also be leave until the february meeting but

[2:52:33] Voice 8: the motions are there for the OPC's consideration. For the applicant's benefit, after the public

[2:52:43] Voice 8: hearing is held, the next steps would be to register the covenants. So we'd be working

[2:52:48] Voice 8: with your legal representative to get those covenants registered. The OCP bylaws will be

[2:52:54] Voice 8: sent to the minister for approval and that generally takes about anywhere between three

[2:52:59] Voice 8: to five months but we want to ensure that those are done sooner rather than later so we're not

[2:53:04] Voice 8: held up for the election process when the ocp file sorry before you send out to the minister

[2:53:12] Voice 8: both of us have to go to executive committee for approval so if you buy one that's the minister

[2:53:16] Voice 8: then those bylaws come back for the ltc's consideration and we want to make sure those

[2:53:21] Voice 8: covenants are registered on title before the ltc considers adoption

[2:53:30] Voice 10: questions all clear all

[2:53:33] Voice 7: right trustees how would you like to proceed um i think we've

[2:53:37] Voice 7: you know we've worked hard on this i want to thank malik for all the hard work they've done

[2:53:41] Voice 7: these two applications as well yeah i agree

[2:53:45] Voice 9: we've had considerable amount of conversations around

[2:53:51] Voice 9: this i i do note that the last meeting we talked about marine protection as well but at this point

[2:53:57] Voice 9: but there's still there's still time to have that conversation or get the results of those

[2:54:02] Voice 9: conversations have you all to see yeah

[2:54:05] Voice 7: okay proceed i move that the galliano island local

[2:54:09] Voice 7: trust committee bylaw number 292 cited as galliano island official community plan by

[2:54:13] Voice 7: 108 1995 amendment number one 2024 we read a second time moved second any discussion

[2:54:22] Voice 7: call the question all those in favor

[2:54:25] Voice 3: motions

[2:54:26] Voice 7: carried i move that the galliano island local

[2:54:29] Voice 7: trust committee bylaw number 293 cited as galliano island managed bylaw number 127 1999

[2:54:34] Voice 7: amendment number 1 2024 be read a second time moved seconded any discussion call the question

[2:54:42] Voice 7: all those in favor

[2:54:43] Voice 8: it goes as well okay

[2:54:46] Voice 10: anything further on this today no no

[2:54:50] Voice 8: the next steps would

[2:54:51] Voice 8: be for a draft the applicant and staff to work on the draft evidence and we will um get the public

[2:54:58] Voice 8: hearing notice posted and circulated shortly as well thank

[2:55:03] Voice 6: you for that glad to see this moving

[2:55:07] Voice 8: along one question yes kim yep are we in time for the 60 days for the february meeting for

[2:55:16] Voice 8: okay it's really it's 30 days but considering we always try to do 60. especially for those

[2:55:26] Voice 8: sending out referrals to first nations

[2:55:28] Voice 1: because we've

[2:55:29] Voice 8: had lots of discussion with first nations

[2:55:32] Voice 8: regarding these applications too much

[2:55:34] Voice 8: so yeah

[2:55:34] Voice 8: good question

[2:55:39] Voice 11: all right so moving along on page 91 uh we have our next application

[2:55:49] Voice 11: yes

[2:55:50] Voice 8: thank you chair this is in relation to the resuming application 2024.

[2:55:58] Voice 8: And refresh our memories, the Official Community Plan by-law was given second and third reading

[2:56:07] Voice 8: back in July and also forwarded to the Executive Committee and the Minister for approval.

[2:56:14] Voice 8: I have to just receive an email about an hour ago that the OCP by-law has been signed by the Minister.

[2:56:20] Voice 8: So that's fantastic. So that will come back to the LTC for consideration of adoption.

[2:56:28] Voice 8: So that's great news about bylaw number 296.

[2:56:31] Voice 8: To bylaw number 297, which is the proposed land use bylaw amendment.

[2:56:37] Voice 8: It was given first reading back in April.

[2:56:41] Voice 8: Bylaw referrals have been sent out.

[2:56:43] Voice 8: Steph will also reach out to the regional agrologist because

[2:56:49] Voice 8: file number 2197 was for them so we'll make sure that they provide comments.

[2:56:54] Voice 8: The applicant has provided a water management plan which has been a fantastic plan. I find it's really

[2:57:01] Voice 8: easy to read. It provides all the information necessary. The report states that the current

[2:57:09] Voice 8: well that was drilled last year and the Poland on the property is estimated to have sufficient

[2:57:17] Voice 8: water for the proposed uses. The report has a number of conditions or recommendations which

[2:57:27] Voice 8: are stated in the staff report and the majority of those recommendations are going to be built

[2:57:34] Voice 8: into the draft covenant and so those are the requirement for a pump test um and water quality

[2:57:42] Voice 8: sampling because that will be required for the um the provincial um water license so there will be

[2:57:50] Voice 8: requirements for that also for the water license and the um water or installation of a mill

[2:58:03] Voice 8: monitoring as well so there are a number of recommendations that will be able to be built

[2:58:08] Voice 8: in the drop to drop covenant now that we've received the water management plan and all

[2:58:14] Voice 8: the information looks great the applicant is aware that they'll be providing the ecological

[2:58:21] Voice 8: overview report which i'm sure we'll see in the next couple of months

[2:58:26] Voice 8: so in terms of the section 219 covenant on page 94 of the agenda staff are provided a number of

[2:58:37] Voice 8: conditions that we'll be working with the applicant to provide in the covenant we don't

[2:58:44] Voice 8: want to be too stringent with these conditions though if you don't want the applicant to realize

[2:58:49] Voice 8: in three four years down the road that there's you know conditions that they're unable to meet

[2:58:55] Voice 8: so we want to make sure that they are workable for the applicant the ltc and also providing

[2:59:01] Voice 8: that assurance to community members or those neighboring properties um that the use will be

[2:59:08] Voice 8: prohibited in in some sort of way so there's a list there for the ltc's consideration if there's

[2:59:14] Voice 8: anything else the ltc thinks that staff should address with the applicant please let me know

[2:59:20] Voice 8: um although you'll be receiving this prep and we can have discussion at that point too

[2:59:26] Voice 8: so staff have put forward um a motion for the ltc's consideration on page 91

[2:59:34] Voice 8: and that is for the galliano ltc to request staff schedule a public hearing and community

[2:59:41] Voice 8: information meeting for proposed by 100 297 once the LTC has received the draft section 219

[2:59:50] Voice 8: covenant and also a copy of the ecological overview report and the applicant is here as

[2:59:57] Voice 8: well if there's any questions anything dad

[3:00:00] Voice 11: don't think so all right

[3:00:01] Voice 7: trustees any questions uh just in regards to the 219 covenant today

[3:00:06] Voice 7: a list of uh recommendations for the covenant it's all good um

[3:00:12] Voice 5: i think so i'll have to look

[3:00:13] Voice 5: at that again um i had a couple issues just like with the monitoring of the well and the pond i

[3:00:19] Voice 5: want to know specifically what is required there because currently there's no power down at the

[3:00:24] Voice 5: pond um and the well also at this point so um i mean that's at some point i'm gonna have power

[3:00:32] Voice 5: in there right you know in the meantime like am i gonna be allowed to use any water at all or what's

[3:00:36] Voice 5: you know what i mean until i have that well online rather than just run off the generator if i want

[3:00:42] Voice 5: to take some water out of this kind of thing um and there's a couple other things that i'll have

[3:00:48] Voice 5: to look at it again and talk to kim about it but mostly it seemed pretty um pretty straightforward

[3:00:57] Voice 8: We could also build into those conditions that, you know, the requirement for monitoring

[3:01:04] Voice 8: equipment at such time that there's electricity or some way that,

[3:01:08] Voice 8: you know, we can still build

[3:01:10] Voice 8: in that condition, but it could be based on when you

[3:01:13] Voice 8: get to that point.

[3:01:15] Voice 8: It's really important, I think, that wherever the LTC has an opportunity to require well

[3:01:21] Voice 8: well monitoring, I think it's great,

[3:01:23] Voice 8: but we also have to understand if the applicant

[3:01:26] Voice 8: or the property owner is receiving this information,

[3:01:29] Voice 8: what does that mean?

[3:01:30] Voice 8: Does the applicant also give the information to the LTC?

[3:01:34] Voice 8: Does it go to the province?

[3:01:35] Voice 8: So we also, that's a discussion I need to have

[3:01:37] Voice 8: with our freshwater specialist is,

[3:01:40] Voice 8: is this really a condition the LTC wants?

[3:01:44] Voice 8: Who receives information and who uses information?

[3:01:47] Voice 8: I think it's still important,

[3:01:48] Voice 8: important, but we just don't have that relationship yet.

[3:01:53] Voice 8: Exactly. So stuff to work on.

[3:01:55] Voice 7: Yeah, I think it's just, you know, in this circumstance of

[3:01:59] Voice 7: this application here, because of the neighboring properties.

[3:02:07] Voice 5: So let's visit if we monitoring the level of the well or the

[3:02:11] Voice 5: volume that's being pumped out of the well or what are we what

[3:02:13] Voice 5: are we talking about? That's

[3:02:15] Voice 8: a good question. That's something

[3:02:16] Voice 8: that

[3:02:17] Voice 2: i hope sorry

[3:02:17] Voice 8: um that um

[3:02:21] Voice 8: discussion that i'd also like to have with the hydrogeologist that you

[3:02:26] Voice 8: um hired who is well known in the area to see what his recommendations are yeah if it's the amount of

[3:02:32] Voice 8: water that you're using or the level of perhaps more information right yeah yeah

[3:02:38] Voice 7: i think we're

[3:02:39] Voice 7: looking for something you

[3:02:40] Voice 7: know depending on location right because

[3:02:44] Voice 7: if there's not sustainable use we're coming for sure um but so sustainable use so how do you

[3:02:52] Voice 7: determine what is

[3:02:53] Voice 8: sustainable like so you're not and you work with your experts okay so that's

[3:02:59] Voice 8: the recommendation though doesn't preclude those things being

[3:03:04] Voice 7: worked out okay

[3:03:05] Voice 7: okay all

[3:03:06] Voice 8: right

[3:03:09] Voice 7: okay i'll make the motion um i moved up to galliano on the local trust committee

[3:03:13] Voice 7: request staff to schedule a public hearing and community information meeting for a proposed

[3:03:17] Voice 7: pilot number 297 cited as island land use pilot number 127 1999 upon receipt of a draft section

[3:03:25] Voice 7: section 219 covenant and an ecological overview report

[3:03:31] Voice 7: important. Move. Seconded.

[3:03:34] Voice 10: Any further discussion? All right. That's all the question. All those in

[3:03:39] Voice 10: favor? That carries.

[3:03:44] Voice 11: Okay. So next on page 30106,

[3:03:50] Voice 8: we have the associated item of the regulation

[3:03:54] Voice 8: review staff report. And I'll turn it over to Lana Stockdale. Thank you, Chair, again.

[3:04:00] Voice 8: it's been a while since the LTC has received information on this project so we held an

[3:04:09] Voice 8: electronic community information meeting back in September where we received a number of

[3:04:14] Voice 8: comments from Wise Island community members Parker Island and some other Galleon community members

[3:04:21] Voice 8: and I think it really kind of reassured some of the things that we were already thinking and some

[3:04:27] Voice 8: the concerns that were previously identified. For example, there certainly is a desire to relax,

[3:04:36] Voice 8: to step back to the natural boundary of the sea for solar panels, stairs, or connection to a

[3:04:47] Voice 8: private dock. They're aggressive a concern for Parker Island because they are a large

[3:04:52] Voice 8: lots and also they have a PC hydro connection. We've also received a number of pieces of

[3:05:00] Voice 8: correspondence that are on the project webpage so I've listed or highlighted some of the major

[3:05:08] Voice 8: themes that we've received. Originally there was supposed to be an referral to the APC but as the

[3:05:18] Voice 8: APC was working hard on the OCP referral. Staff are now making a recommendation that a draft bylaw

[3:05:27] Voice 8: is then sent to the APC for referral. I think that would be great to have their comments on that

[3:05:32] Voice 8: because they're going to be dizzy now. So in terms of post-amendments, staff have noted that

[3:05:43] Voice 8: suspension, solar, that there could be a relaxation for solar panels, stairs to access the foreshore

[3:05:50] Voice 8: due to safety, walkways, stairs, ramps to private docks, and also anchor pads and abutments. And

[3:05:59] Voice 8: these relaxations are quite common in other land use bylaw amendments. I'm sorry, other land use

[3:06:05] Voice 8: bylaws. So really the decision for the LTC is to decide, do these exceptions make sense? And which

[3:06:14] Voice 8: which exemptions should apply to the entire

[3:06:17] Voice 8: of Dalhano Island local trust area

[3:06:19] Voice 8: to perhaps only certain islands.

[3:06:22] Voice 8: So for example, only lots that are boat access only

[3:06:26] Voice 8: with the exception of Parker Island

[3:06:28] Voice 8: or to only particular islands,

[3:06:31] Voice 8: for example, only to Wyeth Island

[3:06:34] Voice 8: because they have the, right now the biggest challenge

[3:06:37] Voice 8: with some of these structures for sure.

[3:06:40] Voice 8: shore. Staff are recommending that the LTC consider allowing the exception for boat access

[3:06:50] Voice 8: only lots with the exception to Parker Island. And the reason for that, our staff's second

[3:06:56] Voice 8: recommendation is to create a new zone for boat access only lots that can tailor these

[3:07:05] Voice 8: regulations specifically to that zone when we're looking at uh the regulation for the natural

[3:07:11] Voice 8: boundary of the sea in the land use violence at the very beginning of the land use bylaw and it

[3:07:17] Voice 8: states you know the setback to the natural boundary of the sea is 7.5 meters that's

[3:07:22] Voice 8: generally where you put with the exception to four

[3:07:26] Voice 8: paddles and instead of listing the islands

[3:07:30] Voice 8: that it's not applicable to it makes more sense to say that um this these exemptions are only

[3:07:37] Voice 8: applicable to for this zone and so if we rezone these smaller islands from small residential

[3:07:47] Voice 8: we can uh rezone it to a zone that's specific for these associated islands so they can have their

[3:07:54] Voice 8: their own tailored setback requirements for the natural

[3:07:59] Voice 8: value of the sea, for also a relaxation to sidewalk lines if

[3:08:04] Voice 8: you want as well. The reason why Parker Island isn't included in

[3:08:09] Voice 8: this is Parker Island is actually zoned and designated

[3:08:13] Voice 8: rural and that the intention is to give so large a loss. So if

[3:08:17] Voice 8: the LCC would like to move forward with staff's

[3:08:20] Voice 8: recommendation, staff would create a new zone for the

[3:08:24] Voice 8: associate islands which includes gossip wise island and the smaller islands um for a new

[3:08:31] Voice 8: safe pacific zone which would then relax or include exemptions for those structures listed

[3:08:40] Voice 8: in the staff report to the natural boundary of the sea staff also had made some changes

[3:08:46] Voice 8: to the project charter because of the timeline and the delay due to the bcg strike those timelines

[3:08:53] Voice 8: lines have been adjusted in the project charter. So there are

[3:08:57] Voice 8: three, I think there's three recommendations for the LTC

[3:09:01] Voice 8: consider. The first is supporting the amendments to

[3:09:04] Voice 8: the project charter. The second is to give directions to staff

[3:09:09] Voice 8: to draft a bylaw. And third is to request staff to then refer

[3:09:15] Voice 8: that draft bylaw to the APC requirement. More than likely

[3:09:20] Voice 8: those staff will report back with the draft bylaw and present it to the ltc first before it sends

[3:09:26] the apc so we want to make sure that we

[3:09:28] Voice 8: appropriate the ltc um any amendments for course setting it

[3:09:34] Voice 8: to the apc so i'm going to leave it that because i know it's a lot to take in so if you have any

[3:09:39] Voice 8: questions just please let me know all

[3:09:42] Voice 10: right well i'm going to lead off with a question which i

[3:09:44] Voice 10: think it's just uh 30 and creating a new zone um uh though the

[3:09:52] Voice 8: rezonings would be uh

[3:09:55] Voice 8: brought forward by the ltc like in other words the the lot owners would not have to all each

[3:10:01] Voice 8: individually apply for that new zoning designation that's right yes

[3:10:05] Voice 8: that's what i thought

[3:10:07] Voice 8: we're not burdening them all with rezoning you know what we would do we just create a

[3:10:12] Voice 8: news messages we would create a new zone for these lots could be maybe small residential too

[3:10:20] Voice 8: and it would what would we do what we would be doing is we'd begin mending the land use

[3:10:26] Voice 8: file map so those islands would then be re-zoned onto this new zone and then we would then

[3:10:33] Voice 8: uh potentially um allow exceptions for that one zone for the natural boundary of the sea

[3:10:44] Voice 8: one

[3:10:45] Voice 10: of those questions that might arise in some mindset

[3:10:48] Voice 8: and that's why i always like

[3:10:50] Voice 8: bringing forward a draft bylaw because conceptually it's hard to visualize but when we bring forward

[3:10:55] Voice 8: a draft bylaw then we can take a look at it and it helps to make more sense and then we can make

[3:11:01] Voice 8: tweaks where necessary it also gives those community members something concrete to take

[3:11:06] Voice 8: to look at to see if it would work uh trustees thoughts questions

[3:11:12] Voice 9: i thought i i agree the

[3:11:14] Voice 9: tremendous amount of work that went into this project it's uh it's amazing i know that seeing

[3:11:20] Voice 9: the draft bylaw would help the community evaluate the bylaw um yeah i'd be in favor of the

[3:11:28] Voice 9: recommendations a

[3:11:31] Voice 7: couple of quick well one question so film or point wouldn't be included

[3:11:35] Voice 7: it either uh

[3:11:36] Voice 9: yes it will be included yes the attention sorry yeah so

[3:11:41] Voice 7: um so the one point that

[3:11:44] Voice 7: i would make is um we actually have a water access only subdivision on the inside like on the

[3:11:52] Voice 7: state of seaside of the island too so i just want to make sure we don't

[3:11:56] Voice 7: create some unintended consequences here so we'd have to be very specific in there

[3:12:03] Voice 7: and you're mapping there, right?

[3:12:05] Voice 7: Yeah, absolutely.

[3:12:07] Voice 8: So where is the, so the BODACS is only separated

[3:12:11] Voice 8: by one main

[3:12:13] Voice 7: east side.

[3:12:15] Voice 7: It's on, it's north of Galliano Way.

[3:12:19] Voice 7: Okay.

[3:12:20] Voice 7: I'm not sure if it's the only one,

[3:12:22] Voice 7: but it's the only one that comes to mind right now.

[3:12:24] Voice 7: And the one thing you don't wanna do is create something

[3:12:27] Voice 7: that certain people take advantage of, right?

[3:12:30] Voice 7: Yeah, I

[3:12:31] Voice 8: didn't think of that.

[3:12:32] Voice 7: so just going to be more when as we go along this project be careful about what we're what we're

[3:12:40] Voice 7: opening up here so

[3:12:41] Voice 8: just so i'm understanding correctly would you like that subdivision to

[3:12:45] Voice 8: be included in this new zone so they have those

[3:12:47] Voice 8: exceptions no you would not okay

[3:12:49] Voice 7: there's no need

[3:12:50] Voice 7: for it got it

[3:12:51] Voice 7: right you know it's just um we just have to be aware that it's there right

[3:12:57] Voice 8: so i have

[3:12:57] Voice 8: to be careful or stuff has to be careful when we're writing our staff report that there are

[3:13:02] Voice 8: some other board access only properties that may not be included yes potential products okay thank

[3:13:08] Voice 8: you yeah

[3:13:09] Voice 9: just one more point yeah

[3:13:12] Voice 7: absolutely i

[3:13:15] Voice 9: was uh tripped up by the associated islands

[3:13:19] Voice 9: but i didn't give that a consideration because it's connected

[3:13:26] Voice 7: I mean, I know we've already advanced work to the APC, so we have to give them time to actually do that work, and then they can take a look at this project.

[3:13:38] Voice 7: One sort of benefit, I guess, of losing our OCD review is that this becomes sort of our major project coming ahead, so take time to do this properly and make sure we get good eyes on it.

[3:13:55] Voice 9: And the work done today from the UPC, from

[3:13:58] Voice 8: the prior UPC as well.

[3:14:00] Voice 8: Tremendous amount of work was done.

[3:14:05] Voice 11: Okay.

[3:14:06] Voice 11: How would you like to proceed?

[3:14:09] Voice 9: We'll make the motion.

[3:14:13] Voice 9: I move that the Gallia Local Trust Committee endorse and amend product charter

[3:14:18] Voice 9: attached to December 9, 2025,

[3:14:21] Voice 9: staff report for the Associated Islands Regulation Review Project.

[3:14:26] Voice 8: I'll second the motion.

[3:14:27] Voice 8: Any discussion?

[3:14:29] Voice 8: Call the question.

[3:14:34] Voice 7: I move that the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee request staff prepare a draft by-law for the associated islands regulations project in accordance with the staff report dated December 9, 2025.

[3:14:46] Voice 7: Second.

[3:14:48] Voice 10: Any discussion? Call to question? All those in favor? Carried.

[3:14:53] Voice 10: I

[3:14:55] Voice 9: move the Galliano Local Trust Committee request staff refer the draft by-law to the

[3:15:00] Voice 9: associated islands regulations project to

[3:15:04] Voice 8: the Galliano Advisory Plan.

[3:15:07] Voice 8: Second.

[3:15:08] Voice 8: Seconded.

[3:15:08] Voice 8: Any discussion?

[3:15:09] Voice 8: I'll

[3:15:10] Voice 10: call the question.

[3:15:10] Voice 10: All those in favour?

[3:15:11] Voice 8: And that carries as well.

[3:15:13] Voice 8: Anything further

[3:15:14] Voice 10: you want to talk about?

[3:15:16] Voice 10: So

[3:15:16] Voice 8: the next steps for staff is to draft this by-law with the hopes of bringing it back

[3:15:21] Voice 8: at the February meeting.

[3:15:22] Voice 8: um so just a signal to the apc the apc will get this referral right away the ltc will take a quick

[3:15:30] Voice 8: look at the drop drop by where it is and then at that point

[3:15:39] Voice 11: okay thank you um so then we're on to the report section

[3:15:44] Voice 11: we

[3:15:46] Voice 8: have the active projects report on page 115 the future project report on page 116 to 117

[3:15:55] Voice 8: and the applications report on page 108 to 123 anything yeah no um trustee local expense report

[3:16:08] Voice 8: at 1.24. Adopted policies and standing resolutions at 1.25. And anything on the Local Trust Committee

[3:16:19] Voice 8: webpage today? No Islands Trust Conservancy Report. And so we have the draft Local Trust

[3:16:35] Voice 8: committee meeting schedule i was starting on one page page 113. and is yeah let her stop

[3:16:43] Voice 8: thank you i did receive an email from lisa millard who organizes the schedules for this next term

[3:16:52] Voice 8: next year and she had mentioned that the ltc may want to consider on page 130 which is the draft

[3:17:00] Voice 8: regular meeting scheduled that November 17th rather than it being a regular meeting to be

[3:17:07] Voice 8: an electronic meeting for DC and I can pull up the email to figure out what the rationale is

[3:17:15] Voice 8: I believe this was through a direction from director David Marler

[3:17:23] Voice 8: oh I see um which one Lisa Millard's got a hand up go ahead oh great

[3:17:30] Voice 8: All right, she's here.

[3:17:32] Voice 1: Thank you, Chair Peterson.

[3:17:34] Voice 1: The suggestion for the November 17th meeting

[3:17:38] Voice 1: to be held electronically is simply due to

[3:17:43] Voice 1: each LTC is having a meeting

[3:17:46] Voice 1: in between the November swearing in trust council

[3:17:49] Voice 1: and the December trust council.

[3:17:52] Voice 1: So there's 13 meetings for the new executive committee

[3:17:55] Voice 1: to attend in a three week period.

[3:17:58] Voice 1: And it might be advisable

[3:18:00] Voice 1: to consider an electronic meeting for November

[3:18:02] Voice 1: due to travel considerations.

[3:18:06] Voice 10: Yes, it's going

[3:18:08] Voice 7: to be very interesting

[3:18:08] Voice 7: for that executive committee.

[3:18:10] Voice 7: Go ahead.

[3:18:10] Voice 7: Yeah, and I will point out that this year

[3:18:12] Voice 7: we actually canceled that meeting

[3:18:15] Voice 7: due to availability.

[3:18:17] Voice 7: So it's one of the meetings

[3:18:19] Voice 7: that if we make it electronic,

[3:18:20] Voice 7: then we can see what happens next year.

[3:18:24] Voice 7: But the members generally meet

[3:18:26] Voice 7: in a meeting around the way

[3:18:27] Voice 7: for DFO commitments.

[3:18:30] Voice 7: yeah agreed

[3:18:32] Voice 8: we need to try not to schedule our summer vacation on august 25th as well

[3:18:38] Voice 8: we'll be here in august totally i know

[3:18:41] Voice 2: oh my god

[3:18:41] Voice 9: august 25th

[3:18:42] Voice 2: i saw that

[3:18:43] Voice 9: and i'm like

[3:18:44] Voice 9: and then i'm like oh yeah there's no way

[3:18:46] Voice 9: around it yeah maybe i'll bring pizza that day

[3:18:54] Voice 7: so do we need a separate motion to make that electronic or is it just

[3:18:57] Voice 9: i think

[3:18:58] Voice 7: that i

[3:18:59] Voice 9: think you can just say as amended

[3:19:00] Voice 8: um or you can say that the galliano ltc improved

[3:19:06] Voice 8: their april 2026 to march 2027 meeting schedule with the change to the november 17th 2026 meeting

[3:19:25] Voice 8: I'm going to turn to our awesome meeting administrator and make sure you got that.

[3:19:33] Voice 1: I do, Chair Peterson, and if the LTC could identify their meeting location preferences,

[3:19:42] Voice 1: they can just say Galliano Island and allow us to then secure the venue,

[3:19:47] Voice 1: you or they can identify if they would like to have them all um in a particular hall or not

[3:19:57] Voice 7: yeah i think we like to hold meetings at the north end and i think it makes sense to hold

[3:20:01] Voice 7: the july and august meetings at the north end because longer daylight hours are much easier

[3:20:06] Voice 7: for them now we get to get over those meetings those are ones where more than you know they try

[3:20:10] Voice 7: to attend a few more so we we can put those at the north end and then the rest of the south end

[3:20:17] Voice 8: that sounds great yeah is

[3:20:23] Voice 7: that is that okay with uh lisa certainly

[3:20:31] Voice 1: if you would like me to read

[3:20:33] Voice 1: back the um potential motion um that the galliano island local trust committee approved their april

[3:20:41] Voice 1: 2026 the march 2027 meeting schedule with a change to the november 17th 2026 meeting

[3:20:50] Voice 1: to be held electronically and the July and August meetings be held at the south end hall

[3:20:56] Voice 1: and the remainder of the meetings held at the north end hall uh swap the

[3:21:00] Voice 10: north for the south

[3:21:02] Voice 1: July and August meetings held at the north end hall and the remainder of the meetings held at

[3:21:07] Voice 1: the south end hall

[3:21:07] Voice 11: exactly all right who'd like to make the motion so

[3:21:15] Voice 3: moved all right

[3:21:16] Voice 11: any further discussion no

[3:21:21] Voice 6: thank you very much

[3:21:22] Voice 11: all right i call the question all those in favor

[3:21:25] Voice 11: thank you for that thank you so much uh for your help there so the next regular meeting

[3:21:34] Voice 11: is scheduled for february 10th 2026 right here um and we have an additional town hall opportunity

[3:21:43] Voice 11: and I'll just hope to see if

[3:21:45] Voice 8: there's members publicly

[3:21:47] Voice 8: who'd like to address the local trust committee.

[3:21:48] Voice 8: One hand, please.

[3:21:49] Voice 8: One, two, three, four.

[3:21:53] Voice 8: I'll start on this end.

[3:21:55] Voice 8: Go ahead, sir.

[3:21:56] Voice 8: Oh, yeah.

[3:21:56] Voice 8: My name's John Nelson.

[3:21:57] Voice 8: I'm a full-time resident of Wiley.

[3:21:59] Voice 8: I just want to sit back and see if they're finally getting

[3:22:02] Voice 8: this project going.

[3:22:04] Voice 8: Yeah, it's been a long time.

[3:22:06] Voice 8: I have one concern with one of the lines here

[3:22:09] Voice 8: where it says staff does not support

[3:22:12] Voice 8: exempting decks from the natural boundary setback. Decks are considered structures intended primarily for the private enjoyment of an individual property owner and are not essential to providing safe access or supporting off-limit living conditions.

[3:22:28] I would like to mention that in the Islands Trust Marble Collective, there's also

[3:22:33] Voice 8: things called piers, and piers generally go over the edge of the high water mark, and that's usually a dock that's attached to a pier.

[3:22:42] Voice 8: Under Lands File 127, piers are an allowed structure, so that's not been really listed here. I mean, we can look into this later.

[3:22:51] Voice 7: I think that's a comment on that. I think the difference would be like a pier would

[3:22:55] Voice 7: be covered under an application to Lands and Waters for a dock. It would be in that inside

[3:23:00] Voice 7: that application, whereas a deck would be something that would be considered a part of a

[3:23:07] Voice 7: house, right? So I think just making that distinction between piers and decks,

[3:23:12] Voice 7: right? Because there is actually a different process for everyone.

[3:23:14] Voice 7: one yeah and then platforms are not listed here

[3:23:17] Voice 8: right services and platforms lift materials out

[3:23:22] Voice 8: of the boat onto the shore so that's been been mentioned um yeah so just a different there's

[3:23:29] Voice 8: different terms which are it's not just debts so that's that's sort of what i'm saying other than

[3:23:35] Voice 8: not it's it's looking promising great i think we have

[3:23:41] Voice 6: a hand up yes i'm wondering i'm wondering uh

[3:23:46] Voice 6: on page 122 uh the uh

[3:23:50] Voice 8: applications for applications reports

[3:23:56] Voice 6: yeah open applications reporting um the um crystal mountain application

[3:24:05] Voice 6: application. There's no indication on this of where it stands. And I know that in a different

[3:24:16] Voice 6: place on the agenda, a list of applications,

[3:24:22] Voice 8: it's noted to be that the applicant has asked

[3:24:27] Voice 8: to be deferred first off i wonder what that means and secondly uh why is it not noted on page 122

[3:24:39] Voice 8: yes so i can't speak for patter smith but i will ask him to update the status um in the application

[3:24:56] Voice 8: application report um i believe that crystal mountain they have a new board that they're

[3:25:04] Voice 8: trying to organize um and to take a look at the application staff's intent is actually to send

[3:25:12] Voice 8: a letter to the applicant with a deadline of response if we don't get back from them

[3:25:17] Voice 8: then we'd be looking to close the resumption application thank you

[3:25:25] Voice 10: Sandy, do you have a question?

[3:25:27] Voice 8: Is it an observation well that's

[3:25:30] Voice 8: being put on the property

[3:25:31] Voice 8: that he was trying to resolve?

[3:25:33] Voice 8: No, there's no

[3:25:34] Voice 8: observation well.

[3:25:35] Voice 2: Okay,

[3:25:36] Voice 8: that's not what I was talking about.

[3:25:43] Voice 10: Okay, anyone else? Jennifer?

[3:25:45] Voice 8: Yeah, just another question

[3:25:47] Voice 8: about that particular application.

[3:25:49] Voice 8: I was just trying to find it here, but

[3:25:51] Voice 8: there was some indication

[3:25:53] Voice 8: here, I think it

[3:25:55] Voice 8: had to do with the

[3:25:57] Voice 8: covenant

[3:25:59] Voice 8: about events occurring on

[3:26:01] Voice 8: that property will be allowed uh it's an item

[3:26:10] Voice 8: that still has to be discussed with the applicant

[3:26:12] Voice 8: so it's noted as something that could be a concern so we're

[3:26:17] Voice 9: going to address

[3:26:17] Voice 8: it i'm not sure if the

[3:26:19] Voice 8: applicant wants to have it or not so it's too i was just wondering that was part of the application

[3:26:26] Voice 8: from the applicant it nobody is it

[3:26:29] Voice 8: no but it's something that staff have noted you know if you're

[3:26:32] Voice 8: having a cyber users committee these other accessory uses that we want to kind of address

[3:26:37] Voice 8: now so they don't potentially become a problem in the future i mean it may

[3:26:42] Voice 8: become a benefit also so

[3:26:43] Voice 8: we want to make sure that we have that discussion and if there is um intent for having these private

[3:26:50] Voice 8: events that perhaps we can add it as a position in the um what was the problem with the will that

[3:26:59] Voice 8: we was trying to have a dress just that

[3:27:03] Voice 8: there's no power

[3:27:03] Voice 11: there right now yeah

[3:27:04] Voice 11: yeah yeah

[3:27:06] Voice 8: yeah

[3:27:07] Voice 8: yeah i'm saying

[3:27:08] Voice 11: yeah to power the modern

[3:27:10] Voice 11: no

[3:27:10] Voice 8: that will is not used but the observation well

[3:27:29] Voice 8: There's no there's no observation.

[3:27:31] Voice 8: Well, there's only one well, that's not a requirement for the result. Okay, so the conservancy was made to do that.

[3:27:46] Voice 8: You know, as a condition, and I know that there's a lot of concern that water.

[3:27:52] Voice 2: yeah

[3:27:53] Voice 8: is that something that could be considered the ltc can consider that as conditions this water

[3:27:59] Voice 8: is a big concern in terms of being used

[3:28:02] Voice 6: on that part

[3:28:04] Voice 8: right up above the community water system

[3:28:09] Voice 8: i'm

[3:28:09] Voice 9: talking about

[3:28:11] Voice 8: an observation well yeah like

[3:28:13] Voice 9: a provincial observation well

[3:28:14] Voice 9: that would be something that promised to accept that well as well it's not

[3:28:19] Voice 8: as easy as us you're

[3:28:20] Voice 9: saying that's an observation well province

[3:28:22] Voice 8: monitor no it's just a borehole you never use the well

[3:28:26] Voice 8: the world's never used they just monitor the groundwater level and usually there's a little

[3:28:32] Voice 8: satellite thing yeah

[3:28:34] Voice 9: yeah there's a lot of mid-east monitor wells where we have electricity

[3:28:40] Voice 9: so yeah

[3:28:41] Voice 8: yeah there's a lot of ways you know

[3:28:43] Voice 8: that's just for collecting you know that there's

[3:28:45] Voice 8: hundreds of them around the province

[3:28:47] Voice 8: for collecting information about the groundwater

[3:28:49] Voice 8: level. The will is not being used.

[3:28:52] Voice 8: And

[3:28:53] Voice 8: just sharing it across the province. We used

[3:28:55] Voice 8: to have two, but Trincomalee

[3:28:58] Voice 8: Mall got put in there.

[3:28:59] Voice 8: That lot was developed.

[3:29:01] Voice 8: We lost that one.

[3:29:03] Voice 8: One on Choplin. Now there's one at the

[3:29:05] Voice 8: Conservancy. And another one down

[3:29:07] Voice 8: that way. That would be a good thing.

[3:29:12] Voice 7: Well, maybe there's

[3:29:13] Voice 7: a discussion we can have

[3:29:14] Voice 7: with the applicant and then

[3:29:15] Voice 7: uh because

[3:29:15] Voice 3: i know a monitoring

[3:29:16] Voice 7: well is is much smaller much less expensive

[3:29:19] Voice 7: if

[3:29:20] Voice 8: there's a water license involved as well yeah that's right there's a whole other requirement

[3:29:25] Voice 8: there as well yeah yeah i put

[3:29:27] Voice 9: a meter on my own well that restaurant you

[3:29:30] Voice 7: have to watch them it's

[3:29:31] Voice 9: awesome i suggest so everybody

[3:29:33] Voice 9: put a meter on your home we'll

[3:29:35] Voice 7: be monitoring his wealth

[3:29:37] Voice 7: but whether we want to consider an observation well for that area yeah

[3:29:41] Voice 8: yeah well it's not used

[3:29:43] Voice 8: for you know except for monetary it's

[3:29:47] Voice 7: a much different type of different thing

[3:29:48] Voice 8: okay um anything further all right then well thank you everyone um we

[3:30:00] Voice 8: are going to go to adjournment