Hornby Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, January 23, 2026

[0:00:00] Voice 7: trust committee to order and I want to begin by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be

[0:00:05] Voice 7: able to gather today in locations across the territory of Kosaios peoples. We respectfully

[0:00:12] Voice 7: acknowledge that Hornby Island is in the unceded traditional territory of the Comox First Nation,

[0:00:17] Voice 7: the traditional keepers of this land. My name is Tim Peterson. I'm elected on Lusketia Island and

[0:00:24] Voice 7: i'm the chair of the hornby island trust committee i'm joined today by uh hornby local trustees

[0:00:30] Voice 7: fred scott alex allen and together we make up the harvey island local trust committee

[0:00:37] Voice 7: this meeting is being live streamed and recorded and the recording will be posted on the web in

[0:00:43] Voice 7: the next week or so and with us as uh our planner uh social zoom act and lisa mallard is joining us

[0:00:52] Voice 7: as our meeting administrator we have um we have a couple of things going on today we're we're going

[0:01:01] Voice 7: to start um the meeting out with uh a community information uh meeting on the policy statement

[0:01:10] Voice 7: file 183 and we have some additional staff that are going to be joining us for that part

[0:01:16] Voice 7: see joe elliott with us thank you for being here joe and i believe jason yeomans is going to join

[0:01:23] Voice 7: us as well uh then we're after that concludes we're going to get into our regular business

[0:01:29] Voice 7: and then um starting oh starting a little later at four o'clock we'll start the community

[0:01:40] Voice 7: the information meeting on the um on the ocp uh lub bylaws 186 and 187

[0:01:48] Voice 10: 76

[0:01:50] Voice 7: 176 and 177 thank you

[0:01:55] Voice 7: okay so uh trustees we have an agenda before us and i'll look to see if there are any amendments

[0:02:02] Voice 7: to the agenda today that's

[0:02:05] Voice 10: a new business new

[0:02:06] Voice 7: business what's your item in your

[0:02:07] Voice 21: business um

[0:02:08] Voice 21: extension of abc pointless and

[0:02:14] Voice 7: abc community sounds like those are both related so we can

[0:02:20] Voice 7: bundle them at 13.2 then did you have anything grant or yes

[0:02:35] Voice 15: i'd like to tell me at the proposed

[0:02:38] Voice 15: post cap number um so it can

[0:02:45] Voice 7: be discussed at the cim

[0:02:46] Voice 9: so do we well

[0:02:48] Voice 7: it can be discussed at the cim

[0:02:49] Voice 7: um if you review the agenda um what we have um if we have an opportunity to have the cim

[0:03:01] Voice 7: hear from the public and then discuss based on that what we've heard if we want to make any

[0:03:07] Voice 7: adjustments so that then then

[0:03:09] Voice 8: we can proceed

[0:03:09] Voice 15: with the proposed the cap that will go to the board

[0:03:16] Voice 15: so

[0:03:19] Voice 9: the ideas you have on your agenda during this part of the meeting a report from staff so you

[0:03:26] Voice 9: have an opportunity at that point to discuss anything you wish to do or discuss about the

[0:03:30] Voice 9: proposed dialogue prior to the community information meeting the community information

[0:03:34] Voice 9: meeting is a presentation opportunity to answer technical questions and for the ltc to hear from

[0:03:40] Voice 9: members at the close of the community information meeting your regular meeting recommences and you

[0:03:47] Voice 9: have another opportunity then to discuss the project so ideally that would be the time at

[0:03:51] Voice 9: which you would make any decisions around directing staff to do any changes to the

[0:03:55] Voice 9: bylaws or whether you're ready to proceed so

[0:03:57] Voice 10: at that point we can we can we can discuss

[0:04:01] Voice 10: any

[0:04:02] Voice 9: elements of the bylaw that you wish to amend at second meeting so we can make a motion that

[0:04:09] Voice 10: the cap you said this

[0:04:11] Voice 9: between who is any changes you wish at that point would it probably be better

[0:04:16] Voice 9: after the close of the cia in person before thank you

[0:04:20] Voice 4: does that all make sense yeah all right

[0:04:25] Voice 7: uh i will take it by general consent then the agenda is adopted uh as amended

[0:04:32] Voice 7: and we'll get right into the community information meeting on policy statement bylaw 183

[0:04:39] Voice 7: and I believe it's over to Jason Yeomans to get us started.

[0:04:45] Voice 2: Thank you, Chair Peterson.

[0:04:47] Voice 2: Good morning still, Oranby Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:04:52] Voice 2: I understand that there's not a screen available at the moment

[0:04:56] Voice 2: to project a PowerPoint presentation.

[0:04:58] Voice 2: So I guess, you know, the purpose of my attendance here today

[0:05:03] Voice 2: is really so that you could hear from your constituents

[0:05:06] Voice 2: to help inform your LTC's referral response

[0:05:09] Voice 2: response to the draft policy statement. So I guess I would like to defer to you as to what

[0:05:15] Voice 2: you need from me, I guess, in order to do that. I do have sort of a standard PowerPoint presentation

[0:05:22] Voice 2: that I've been giving across a number of the islands over the last couple of months. It

[0:05:27] Voice 2: comes with about 30 minutes of me speaking. But if we're not able to share that PowerPoint

[0:05:35] Voice 2: presentation with the public, that's really sort of more for them than it is for you, I think. But

[0:05:39] Voice 2: But if you feel you would benefit from it, I can certainly give it.

[0:05:41] Voice 2: So just be interested to hear what you need from me.

[0:05:45] Voice 7: Okay, trustees, thoughts.

[0:05:48] Voice 7: And I think it'd be nice to have Jason at least do a bit of an introduction.

[0:05:54] Voice 7: But do you want

[0:05:55] Voice 7: the full meal deal?

[0:05:58] Voice 7: We got so much going on today.

[0:06:00] Voice 7: I think people

[0:06:01] Voice 4: are going to read that somewhere, somewhere on the website.

[0:06:05] Voice 4: Oh, it's up there, yes.

[0:06:06] Voice 4: Pardon?

[0:06:07] Voice 4: Yeah.

[0:06:07] Voice 4: What do you think?

[0:06:08] Voice 4: well

[0:06:09] Voice 21: this was our request to have it added on to one of our

[0:06:12] Voice 21: meetings so it's unfortunate why

[0:06:14] Voice 21: didn't we know it was going to be a powerpoint because we need some sort of arrangements for

[0:06:18] Voice 21: this oh

[0:06:18] Voice 9: we did that's why i asked i said we do have this yeah it's just um all

[0:06:23] Voice 20: you have to do

[0:06:23] Voice 20: is have people turn around a

[0:06:25] Voice 9: little bit more than that because i yeah i need to set up

[0:06:27] Voice 9: i thought it

[0:06:34] Voice 4: was remotely versus you

[0:06:37] Voice 4: you um

[0:06:38] Voice 7: all right so let's

[0:06:41] Voice 8: ask the folks in the audience before

[0:06:42] Voice 7: we get into that i'm just

[0:06:45] Voice 7: wondering um i want to check in with with jason and and joe here if we took um uh if we went to

[0:06:55] Voice 7: some of our other agenda items and what do you think could we have it set up in like 15 minutes

[0:07:01] Voice 7: do you think so if we did some of our other agenda work for about 15 minutes and then came back to

[0:07:07] Voice 7: you for the powerpoint would that be okay on your time i don't know what your day looks like

[0:07:11] Voice 2: that would be fine with me chair i'm i'm certainly available okay

[0:07:15] Voice 7: so let's do that then so uh

[0:07:19] Voice 7: appreciate that and uh the logistics here on the islands are always fun and interesting so

[0:07:29] Voice 7: let's do the report section and see where that gets us as far as the projector

[0:07:35] Voice 7: um and then we'll circle back to the to the policy statement presentation so the first

[0:07:42] Voice 7: uh item there is trustee reports uh to see which of you would like to start with grant for a change

[0:07:50] Voice 7: start with grant for a change right here well

[0:07:54] Voice 8: just the ongoing issue that's discussed on the island

[0:07:57] Voice 8: is that short-term rentals that issue

[0:08:01] Voice 15: has been so i think people are looking forward to this

[0:08:05] Voice 15: meeting this afternoon the community meeting and then wrapping up the the official community plan

[0:08:11] Voice 15: and the land use bylaws and to have that completely i think that's that's the main

[0:08:17] Voice 15: issue on the island there's there's other other issues as

[0:08:21] Voice 4: well there's that you know so i think

[0:08:24] Voice 4: that's all either of that okay thank you uh trusty out um

[0:08:32] Voice 10: let's

[0:08:36] Voice 21: read something so since

[0:08:37] Voice 21: Since I moved here 28 years ago, this island has changed.

[0:08:41] Voice 21: Now, it is accepted that the trends and acquaintances

[0:08:44] Voice 21: were the tents, vans, buses, trailers.

[0:08:47] Voice 9: Some have to move out every summer for an SVPR.

[0:08:50] Voice 9: I've seen lovely and generous and well people and families,

[0:08:54] Voice 9: loved and were loved by this community,

[0:08:56] Voice 9: leaving behind because of housing insecurities

[0:08:58] Voice 9: for many years.

[0:09:00] Voice 9: I've watched housing start to move

[0:09:01] Voice 9: from already limited pool back

[0:09:04] Voice 21: to our future working people,

[0:09:05] Voice 21: young people and families. I'm not anti-tourism nor an economy killer, but do we

[0:09:11] Voice 9: want to become

[0:09:12] Voice 9: Barcelona, Canary Islands or even the Galapagos? Anti-tourism is too much. Can community members

[0:09:21] Voice 9: have a say in protecting the qualities and characteristics that make this a place? Managing

[0:09:26] Voice 21: tourism growth is managing accommodation through tourism. We are seeing a loss of housing,

[0:09:33] Voice 21: we are seeing a loss of sense of community and island character, impacts in our watershed,

[0:09:38] Voice 21: overcrowding, noise, excess garbage, bigger barriers, bigger co-ops,

[0:09:43] Voice 21: employers having to provide accommodation.

[0:09:46] Voice 21: Housing treated as a commodity of the local for-profit investment

[0:09:51] Voice 21: rather than a social good across the country.

[0:09:54] Voice 21: We're seeing it everywhere.

[0:09:54] Voice 21: So who is tourism for?

[0:09:57] Voice 21: We need a balance between benefits for tourists and locals alike,

[0:10:00] Voice 21: and that's why we are here, we're coming back to here,

[0:10:06] Voice 21: here, and I just wanted to achieve some balance in our community, and that's where I'm at.

[0:10:15] Voice 21: Thank you.

[0:10:16] Voice 7: Trustee Allen.

[0:10:20] Voice 7: Next is the Chair Notes section.

[0:10:22] Voice 7: So at our December Trust Council meeting, trustees reviewed and adopted recommendations

[0:10:29] Voice 7: of the CAO's operational report.

[0:10:31] Voice 7: This report comes just around a year into the new CAO's tenure with us and a lot of thought and effort went into it.

[0:10:44] Voice 7: It outlined some of the challenges that Islands Trust faces in an effort to create efficiencies and deliver planning services in a timely manner,

[0:10:54] Voice 7: but also addressing other important issues like how we are engaging with the public

[0:11:01] Voice 7: and um and the future of our commitment to meaningful reconciliation and the report um

[0:11:14] Voice 7: came with recommendations and some of those were to oh you probably need to kill your volume i bet

[0:11:23] Yes.

[0:11:33] Voice 7: Okay. Yeah. Recommendations for investments into those areas, specifically engaging with the communities and really putting some serious resources into our reconciliation efforts.

[0:11:50] Voice 7: reference.

[0:11:51] Voice 7: Trustees also reviewed the first draft of the proposed 2026-27 budget, due to years

[0:12:01] Voice 7: of using the general surplus fund to balance budgets, combined with the drop in revenues

[0:12:06] Voice 7: from grants, fees and investment income, and the addition of pretty substantial election

[0:12:14] Voice 7: expenses coming up later this year, there's an awful lot of the proposed budget that's

[0:12:22] Voice 7: essentially non-discretionary and there's going to be some difficult choices ahead for trust council

[0:12:29] Voice 7: in february trustees are going to meet in a committee of the whole to debate approaches

[0:12:34] Voice 7: to dealing with the budget um in preparation for final deliberations of the march trust council

[0:12:41] Voice 7: meeting i attended a dialogue on january 12th with minister adrian dix uh hosted by the bc municipal

[0:12:50] Voice 7: climate leadership council we heard from the minister on uh his thoughts of where we're at

[0:12:57] Voice 7: with uh plant climate policy at this time in bc uh relationship to the larger global context

[0:13:04] Voice 7: and local elected officials share their thoughts about issues they feel are top priority

[0:13:09] Voice 7: and how we can keep climate top of mind on the provincial agenda

[0:13:13] Voice 7: agenda. BC Municipal Leadership Council is certainly a good source of information and

[0:13:22] Voice 7: opinion for local elected officials and I try and encourage those interested to check

[0:13:29] Voice 7: it out. Yesterday I attended a session on the current state of the BC ferry system hosted

[0:13:36] Voice 7: by the CAO, Nicholas Jimenez, and included an update on the current fiscal and operating

[0:13:47] Voice 7: environment and priorities and the planning underway for what they term as performance

[0:13:52] Voice 7: term seven, which is a four-year performance terms that are regulated by the province and

[0:13:59] Voice 7: determine the funding investment and service priorities across the coastal ferry system.

[0:14:04] Voice 7: Now, I will say that, well, there's a number of good questions.

[0:14:12] Voice 7: A lot of them focused almost entirely, the elected officials were almost entirely from islands, which is a good thing.

[0:14:23] Voice 7: um but the fiscal picture is not great and the state of the uh the aging fleet

[0:14:33] Voice 7: um the aging uh infrastructure at births and terminals and um and where the province's

[0:14:45] Voice 7: economy is at didn't give a particularly rosy picture for all of the um i'm not even going to

[0:14:53] Voice 7: say improvements i'd say maintenance uh that i think many islanders would like to see um

[0:14:59] Voice 7: issues around uh they claim that issues around um uh crew shortages have have flattened out somewhat

[0:15:09] Voice 7: and not as stark as we saw uh over the last few years so that's hopefully good news but in terms

[0:15:15] Voice 7: in terms of additional sailings,

[0:15:19] Voice 7: in terms of upgrades to boats and terminals.

[0:15:24] Voice 7: Essentially the message was, don't hold your breath.

[0:15:30] Voice 7: I was tempted to ask questions about executive salaries

[0:15:35] Voice 7: at BC Ferries, but I didn't go there.

[0:15:40] Voice 7: And anyway, so overall it was good to hear

[0:15:44] Voice 7: actually so many local elected from islands all the way all the way down to

[0:15:50] Voice 7: saturn and and all the way up north to vermont so i appreciated that um

[0:16:01] Voice 7: sure

[0:16:02] Voice 15: go ahead at that trust council meeting in december as i recall

[0:16:09] Voice 15: the proposed budget for next year was increased by 14.8 percent is that correct

[0:16:16] Voice 7: it's i don't remember a precise number that we left trust council with uh but it was pretty

[0:16:24] Voice 7: eye-watering and uh we did the financial planning committee did meet this week and um i think

[0:16:34] Voice 7: there's as i said in my report there's some tough choices for trust council uh coming up to the

[0:16:40] Voice 7: budget part part of the issue as i mentioned is we've been especially this term we've been drawing

[0:16:46] Voice 7: down on our reserves rather aggressively and we're pretty much pretty much done

[0:16:51] Voice 7: with that so we can't use the reserves we don't have reserves left to to push

[0:16:58] Voice 7: down the potential tax increase there's geez I don't have it in action maybe I

[0:17:07] Voice 7: do have it in front of me if you just give me a second I'll see I made some

[0:17:10] Voice 7: notes that might be I guess

[0:17:14] Voice 15: one of the people knows yeah I

[0:17:15] Voice 15: think that's good

[0:17:16] Voice 15: know that she's sonya's got her up on the screen yeah so

[0:17:20] Voice 7: just quickly the summary out of that

[0:17:23] Voice 7: meeting was uh uh the potential tax increase um 7.1 of that total increase is due to the

[0:17:40] Voice 7: lost revenue streams i mentioned about 3.7 increase would be to to cover the elections

[0:17:47] Voice 7: and staff wage increases.

[0:17:49] Voice 7: Obviously we know there was a strike.

[0:17:51] Voice 7: There was outcome of that does have financial implications

[0:17:56] Voice 7: and really a, which leaves trust council

[0:18:02] Voice 7: with about 3.1% to play with out of that 13.9.

[0:18:09] Voice 7: So I would expect that there's going to be

[0:18:12] Voice 7: a substantial increase, almost no,

[0:18:15] Voice 7: almost any which way we slice it.

[0:18:17] Voice 7: We can't simply ask staff, and we can't avoid election costs, and we can't avoid the wage increases.

[0:18:29] Voice 7: So we have very limited wiggle room, and this is, you know, my personal feeling this is a direct result of Trust Council choosing to rely on using up the surplus funds over the past three years.

[0:18:46] Voice 7: and now we're you know we're out we're out of that so there's no more there's nothing left in

[0:18:52] Voice 7: there to cushion the blow um okay uh we don't have electoral directors report or conservancy

[0:19:00] Voice 7: report today and we have a projector up and running so um planner yeomans

[0:19:10] Voice 7: aha we can see you there fantastic if everyone wants to spin your chair around

[0:19:16] Voice 10: sure

[0:19:17] Voice 7: that might be really helpful yeah we'll just give a moment to get people salad here

[0:19:22] Voice 7: jason and turn on some lights see the projector better yeah

[0:19:27] Voice 17: sure

[0:19:29] Voice 2: thing so i'm trying to share

[0:19:31] Voice 2: my screen right now are you seeing the uh indigenous rights acknowledgement on on your

[0:19:35] Voice 2: screen we

[0:19:36] Voice 7: are and is there is there any way you can maximize your screen share

[0:19:44] Voice 2: interesting I wonder there

[0:19:47] Voice 7: may not be yeah

[0:19:49] Voice 2: I'm not sure if so it's taking up my whole screen

[0:19:52] Voice 2: is it not taking up your whole screen no

[0:19:54] Voice 7: but that's okay we'll live with it and I'm just

[0:19:57] Voice 7: going to spin the um our camera around so that the audio is going towards the audience instead

[0:20:04] Voice 7: of away from them okay I think uh

[0:20:13] Voice 17: I think we're good to go Jason

[0:20:14] Voice 17: okay

[0:20:16] Voice 2: let me sorry I'm just going

[0:20:17] Voice 2: going to toggle something here. Chair Peterson, can you tell me, are you seeing like my preview

[0:20:30] Voice 2: screen or are you seeing a full screen rendering? I'm seeing the

[0:20:36] Voice 7: full screen, but because it's

[0:20:39] Voice 7: coming through the Zoom, we still have your picture in the side.

[0:20:44] Voice 2: Oh, okay. Got it. Okay.

[0:20:45] Voice 2: That makes sense then. All right. Okay. Well, I'm just going to dive in then if that's all right

[0:20:50] Voice 2: with you, Chair.

[0:20:51] Voice 11: Please go ahead.

[0:20:54] Voice 2: All right. Good afternoon, everybody,

[0:20:55] Voice 2: everybody, Hornby Island residents. My name is Jason Yeomans and I'm a senior policy advisor

[0:20:59] Voice 2: with the Islands Trust and I've been helping provide project management and policy development

[0:21:04] Voice 2: advice on this project for the past year. I've worked for the Islands Trust since 2013 and until

[0:21:10] Voice 2: recently I'd also lived on Salt Spring Island for more than a decade and my son still goes to school

[0:21:16] Voice 2: there during the week and so I know a little bit about island life anyhow. Before getting into the

[0:21:22] Voice 2: policy statement project itself. I just want to provide a quick introduction to the Islands Trust

[0:21:31] Voice 2: that I think generally needs to precede any discussion about our work that we do here.

[0:21:37] Voice 2: Islands Trust is a special purpose government responsible for the planning and land use

[0:21:41] Voice 2: management decisions in the Islands Trust area, which is comprised of 13 major islands and more

[0:21:46] Voice 2: than 450 smaller islands and the surrounding waters in the Strait of Georgia and Howe Sound.

[0:21:52] Voice 2: The Islands Trust does its best to preserve and protect these 450 islands in the Salish Sea.

[0:21:57] Voice 2: They're grouped into 13 local trust areas, which each have their own local trust committee,

[0:22:01] Voice 2: such as the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee here today, that makes land use decisions for

[0:22:05] Voice 2: that group of islands using the land use planning authorities under Part 14 of the Local Government

[0:22:10] Voice 2: Act. There's also one island municipality, Bowen Island, which has a municipal council

[0:22:15] Voice 2: and all of the powers of a regular municipality, and it has two members that sit at the trust

[0:22:19] Voice 2: Council table. When all 26 elected Islands Trust trustees come together, they do so as the Islands

[0:22:27] Voice 2: Trust Council to take into account planning for the region as a whole. The Islands Trust is a

[0:22:33] Voice 2: unique form of government, neither a municipality nor a regional district. Ultimately, it is a

[0:22:38] Voice 2: special type of government for a special place. The Islands Trust was created in 1974 by the

[0:22:43] Voice 2: government of British Columbia to protect these islands and their unique ecosystems and lifestyles

[0:22:48] Voice 2: from the rampant overdevelopment that was starting to emerge in the form of small lot subdivisions on

[0:22:52] Voice 2: several of the islands at that time. Islands Trust was established under the Islands Trust Act with

[0:22:58] Voice 2: a mandate or an object, as the legislation says, to preserve and protect the trust area and its

[0:23:03] Voice 2: unique amenities and environment for the benefit of the residents of the trust area and of British

[0:23:08] Voice 2: Columbia generally, in cooperation with municipalities, regional districts, improvement

[0:23:13] Voice 2: Provement Districts, First Nations, other persons and organizations, and the Government of British

[0:23:18] Voice 2: Columbia. Within the Islands Trust Act, you'll find Section 15, which states that the Trust

[0:23:26] Voice 2: Council must, by bylaw, adopt a trust policy statement that applies to the trust area,

[0:23:31] Voice 2: and the trust policy statement must be a general statement of the policies of the Trust Council

[0:23:36] Voice 2: to carry out the object of the trust. It may also establish different policies for different parts

[0:23:41] Voice 2: of the trust area, and that's the important part of that. The first Islands Trust Policy

[0:23:48] Voice 2: Statement was adopted in 1975, and the current Islands Trust Policy Statement has been enforced

[0:23:54] Voice 2: since 1993. A lot has changed, not just in the Islands Trust area, but in Canada and the wider

[0:24:00] Voice 2: world since then. And in 2019, Islands Trust Council decided that it was time to update the

[0:24:05] Voice 2: Islands Trust Policy Statement to better help the Islands Trust navigate today's challenges

[0:24:09] Voice 2: and tomorrow's opportunities.

[0:24:12] Voice 2: The image on your screen right now sort of shows the policy hierarchy within the Islands Trust

[0:24:16] Voice 2: and the policy statement sits at the top of that as our highest level land use guidance document.

[0:24:23] Voice 2: And that high level land use guidance document is then used by local trust committees,

[0:24:28] Voice 2: such as your Hornby Island Local Trust Committee, to develop their official community plans

[0:24:32] Voice 2: and to develop their zoning bylaws in a way that's consistent with that higher level policy statement.

[0:24:38] Voice 2: And then, of course, all of those regulatory policy and regulatory documents trickle down to what actually happens on the island landscape and what happens on the lands and waters that you see around you.

[0:24:52] Voice 2: The policy statement also serves a few other purposes for the Islands Trust.

[0:24:57] Voice 2: It should form the foundation of the strategic planning that Islands Trust Council does.

[0:25:01] Voice 2: So after an election, when it gets together as a newly constituted trust council, it may want to look to the Islands Trust Policy Statement to determine where it wants to focus its strategic resources, that being its budget, its staff time, in the service of advancing what's laid out in the Islands Trust Policy Statement as the goals.

[0:25:18] Voice 2: And it can revisit this on an annual basis as it relooks at its strategic plan each year.

[0:25:24] Voice 2: um the policy statement forms the foundation of a review of official community plans and

[0:25:32] Voice 2: regulatory bylaws by islands trust executive committee um which is sort of a small subsection

[0:25:38] Voice 2: of elected officials from the greater trust council and they're responsible for actually

[0:25:42] Voice 2: ensuring that local bylaws that come to them for approval are indeed consistent with the policy

[0:25:49] Voice 2: statement the policy statement also should form the basis of our intergovernmental relationships

[0:25:54] Voice 2: that we form with provincial ministries, with regional districts, with Indigenous governing

[0:26:00] Voice 2: bodies. As we enter into agreements about how we're going to work together, we should be working

[0:26:06] Voice 2: together in the service of advancing the goals that are laid out in the Islands Trust Policy

[0:26:10] Voice 2: Statement. How will the Islands Trust Policy Statement impact you as a Hornby Island landowner,

[0:26:20] Voice 2: for instance? In the short term, there will be no impact on you unless you are going to apply

[0:26:26] Voice 2: to amend the official community plan or the land use bylaw as those documents apply to your land.

[0:26:32] Voice 2: So if you have something in mind that's going to require going to your local trust committee

[0:26:36] Voice 2: to change the zoning on your property to do something new that you can't already do,

[0:26:41] Voice 2: and maybe that also triggers the requirement to amend the official community plan on the island,

[0:26:45] Voice 2: you are going to want to make sure that whatever you're proposing to do,

[0:26:49] Voice 2: you can be reasonably confident that it's consistent with the vision laid out by the

[0:26:53] Voice 2: a greater policy statement, because ultimately, Islands Trust Executive Committee will have to

[0:26:57] Voice 2: look at that bylaw and make that determination about whether it meets the policy statement.

[0:27:01] Voice 2: In the medium term, over time, local trust committees are expected to be updating their

[0:27:08] Voice 2: official community plans and land use bylaws proactively to bring them into alignment with

[0:27:13] Voice 2: the vision laid out in the new policy statement. So in the medium term, as your local trust

[0:27:17] Voice 2: committee does that, so when the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee turns its attention to doing

[0:27:22] Voice 2: that, this could result in more ways to use your land or fewer ways to use your land or different

[0:27:28] Voice 2: ways to use your land, depending on how your local trust committee decides to update your local

[0:27:34] Voice 2: bylaws to bring them into alignment with the policy statement. How will the policy statement

[0:27:42] Voice 2: impact you as just an island resident? So taking off your landowner hat if you happen to be one

[0:27:47] Voice 2: and just thinking about yourself as a Hornby Island resident who enjoys your life there.

[0:27:51] Voice 2: Again, in the short term, you are unlikely to experience any impact as a result of this new

[0:27:56] Voice 2: policy statement, unless your local trust committee moves very quickly to update its

[0:28:00] Voice 2: official community plan and land use bylaw to align with the policy statement, and then maybe

[0:28:04] Voice 2: new or different things may start to happen on the island, depending on how your local trust

[0:28:09] Voice 2: committee chooses to do that. In the medium term, if the goals of this new policy statement are

[0:28:15] Voice 2: realized, you should see a reduced pace of disturbance to characteristic island ecosystems,

[0:28:20] Voice 2: because that's a focus of this new document, and potentially a greater range of housing options

[0:28:25] Voice 2: on your island in the right place, because that's sort of another stream of interest

[0:28:29] Voice 2: that Trust Council has signaled in the development of this new policy statement.

[0:28:39] Voice 2: Work to update the policy statement began in 2019, and the initiative to do so was in part

[0:28:46] Voice 2: a response to a number of different statements that Islands Trust Council has made. One was

[0:28:53] Voice 2: their reconciliation declaration that they made in 2019, indicating that they wanted to do a better

[0:28:58] Voice 2: job of developing better relationships with Indigenous people who have treaty and territorial

[0:29:02] Voice 2: interests in the Islands Trust area. The absence of reference to Indigenous people at all in the

[0:29:11] Voice 2: current policy statement that is in force and has been so since 1993 is quite glaring relative to

[0:29:17] Voice 2: what today's governance priorities are. So Trust Council felt there was a need to ensure that

[0:29:22] Voice 2: advancing those interests around reconciliation are reflected in a new draft of the policy

[0:29:27] Voice 2: statement. The initiative to revise the policy statement also came as a result

[0:29:33] Voice 2: of the climate change emergency declaration that Trust Council declared

[0:29:36] Voice 2: in 2019, so they wanted to ensure that our guiding land use document was

[0:29:42] Voice 2: cognizant of the impacts that are coming to the islands of climate change and can

[0:29:47] Voice 2: respond appropriately to those. And the revision to the policy statement was

[0:29:53] Voice 2: was also in part a response to the workforce shortage and housing equity crisis that

[0:30:00] Voice 2: trust council declared i believe in 2019 or 2020 as well so a focus of trust council is on ensuring

[0:30:08] Voice 2: that there is safe secure housing available for island residents in a way that they are hearing

[0:30:13] Voice 2: it currently isn't i'm looking sort of through my screen at your screen that you're seeing and

[0:30:22] Voice 2: so this timeline is probably very small and unreadable to you in that large hall there

[0:30:28] Voice 2: it just shows where we are in the project as i said work on this began in 2019 and it's had

[0:30:33] Voice 2: a number of different phases of community engagement to gather some early visioning

[0:30:38] Voice 2: from from island residents and other interested stakeholders and now we're sort of toward a

[0:30:43] Voice 2: refining of what the key areas of focus of this policy statement should be this bylaw received

[0:30:52] Voice 2: first reading by trust council in july of this year at which point that kicked off a six-month

[0:30:57] Voice 2: engagement period. We're coming to the tail end of that now, but we've hosted an island-wide event.

[0:31:03] Voice 2: We've toured the islands and, you know, virtually touring here to Hornby today. There's a survey

[0:31:09] Voice 2: open until February 2nd. And so if you haven't filled out the survey that's available at Islands

[0:31:14] Voice 2: 2050 website, I would encourage you to do that. When this window of engagement closes, we're

[0:31:22] Voice 2: We're going to package up everything that we've heard from island residents, from Indigenous

[0:31:27] Voice 2: governing bodies, from provincial agencies, from regional districts, the partners with

[0:31:31] Voice 2: whom we work, and Trust Council will have the opportunity then to make further revisions

[0:31:36] Voice 2: to the policy statement as it sees fit based on the feedback that has been gathered to

[0:31:41] Voice 2: date.

[0:31:41] Voice 2: And all of this in the hope that the new policy statement bylaw can be adopted before the

[0:31:48] Voice 2: end of this political term.

[0:31:49] Voice 2: So the next local government elections take place in the fall of 2026, and it's Trust Council's wish for the time being that this bylaw could be adopted before then.

[0:32:04] Voice 2: This slide is just a summary of the different phases of engagement of the project, and if anybody is interested and really wants to read some of that background material, they can get in touch with me, and I can point you to where it is on the Islands 2050 website.

[0:32:17] Voice 2: site, it kind of gets a bit buried in there. So if you need some guidance, I can provide some

[0:32:22] Voice 2: assistance there. Just do a really brief overview of what's in this new draft policy statement,

[0:32:28] Voice 2: if you haven't had a chance to read it yourself. There's three core elements. The first is a suite

[0:32:33] Voice 2: of guiding principles. And these set out some ideas for how Islands Trust Council should be

[0:32:39] Voice 2: making its decisions. So when faced with individual land use decisions or resource allocation within

[0:32:47] Voice 2: in the organization. It should be thinking of these guiding principles as it makes its decisions.

[0:32:53] Voice 2: Then there are directive policies. These are things that Trust Council is requiring local

[0:32:58] Voice 2: trust committees and island municipalities to do. So a federation-wide expectation of how local

[0:33:05] Voice 2: trust committees should be not structuring, but what they need to be including in their official

[0:33:11] Voice 2: community plans and their land use bylaws. And then there's a set of advisory policies,

[0:33:15] Voice 2: which are things that local trust committees and island municipalities should do, as far as Trust Council is concerned, but that may not be within the direct regulatory authority of a local trust committee, or, you know, something that requires partnership with some other actors in order to make happen.

[0:33:33] Voice 2: So, Trust Council can't require it of local trust committees, just saying that if the opportunity comes up, it's something that Trust Council generally supports.

[0:33:44] Voice 2: I'll just give you a few sort of key examples of those three main topic areas, reconciliation, climate change, and housing, and how they are being addressed within this draft policy statement.

[0:33:54] Voice 2: On the reconciliation front, the very first guiding principle of the document is that

[0:34:03] Voice 2: Trust Council should grow understanding of the history and legacy of colonialism in the

[0:34:07] Voice 2: Islands Trust Area, acknowledge and respect the rights of Indigenous peoples, and work

[0:34:11] Voice 2: together with Indigenous governing bodies and Indigenous knowledge holders to preserve

[0:34:14] Voice 2: and protect culturally significant areas, sites, and species.

[0:34:18] Voice 2: So that's, reconciliation is very much at the forefront of what this draft policy statement is trying to do.

[0:34:29] Voice 2: the way that this i guess will come alive most concretely for a local trust committee

[0:34:38] Voice 2: is this directive policy 3.1.1 that local trust committees and island municipalities shall

[0:34:45] Voice 2: in their official community plan bylaws engage with indigenous governing bodies and provide a

[0:34:51] Voice 2: record of the engagement at the time of bylaw submission so there's an expectation of trust

[0:34:56] Voice 2: council that when a local trust committee is amending its official community plan or indeed

[0:35:01] Voice 2: changing its zoning on the island, that they are going to ask Indigenous governing bodies with an

[0:35:08] Voice 2: interest in that local trust area what they think about this proposed change and that the local

[0:35:15] Voice 2: trust committee should be able to demonstrate to executive committee that they've done that and

[0:35:19] Voice 2: what they did with the information that they heard from these Indigenous governing bodies.

[0:35:25] Voice 2: Reconciliation is reflected in a few other directive policies, that there's an expectation by Trust Council that local trust committees will minimize potential adverse impacts to Indigenous cultural heritage sites, that they will minimize potential adverse impacts to marine harvesting areas, and that they will minimize potential adverse impacts to land-based harvesting and hunting areas in the land use decisions that they make on the islands.

[0:35:46] Voice 2: There is not a discrete chapter on climate change in the draft policy statement. Rather, potential ways to address its mitigation and adaptation are peppered throughout a number of different topic categories.

[0:36:03] Voice 2: categories. I just wrote a few here that I think are important to highlight. On the subject of

[0:36:08] Voice 2: freshwater sustainability, local trust committees must ensure that neither the density nor intensity

[0:36:12] Voice 2: of land use is increased in watersheds where the quality or quantity of the supply of freshwater

[0:36:16] Voice 2: is likely to be inadequate or unsustainable. So there's an expectation by trust counsel that

[0:36:22] Voice 2: your local trust committee is not going to be making land use changes where water is already

[0:36:29] Voice 2: compromised and we know that's a critical issue across most of the

[0:36:33] Voice 2: islands in the Islands Trust area. There's an expectation that your local

[0:36:37] Voice 2: trust committee will identify areas at elevated risk of natural and climate

[0:36:40] Voice 2: change related hazards and restrict development within those areas including

[0:36:44] Voice 2: but not limited to areas subject to flooding, sea level rise, erosion, slope

[0:36:48] Voice 2: instability and wildfire. So a recognition obviously that wildfire risk

[0:36:53] Voice 2: is increasing across the island as the climate changes and that we should be

[0:36:57] Voice 2: be making land use decisions that are not putting more buildings and more people at risk in sort of

[0:37:04] Voice 2: the primary wildfire risk areas. And then there's an expectation that local trust committees

[0:37:09] Voice 2: establish appropriate setbacks from the sea, recognizing projected sea level rise within

[0:37:15] Voice 2: the island's trust area as a result of climate change. So reconciliation, climate change,

[0:37:24] Voice 2: and housing. Housing being the third lens through which this update to the policy statement was

[0:37:30] Voice 2: being viewed. The three primary directives that your local trust committee is going to

[0:37:36] Voice 2: be expected to fulfill are that they should or they shall identify suitable locations that

[0:37:43] Voice 2: can support increased density for the development of safe, secure, diverse and attainable housing.

[0:37:47] Voice 2: So this policy sets an expectation by trust council that local trust committees should be

[0:37:52] Voice 2: be willing to accommodate some additional residential development on their island in

[0:37:56] Voice 2: the service of trying to address what Trust Council has identified to be a workforce shortage

[0:38:00] Voice 2: and housing equity crisis.

[0:38:03] Voice 2: There is a directive that local trust committees should support a range of housing types and

[0:38:07] Voice 2: tenures to help meet the housing needs that have been identified on your island, and that

[0:38:12] Voice 2: they should be open to supporting alternatives to large conventional single detached dwellings

[0:38:17] Voice 2: by establishing policies to permit clusters of smaller dwelling units in suitable areas.

[0:38:22] Voice 2: I think what I've heard from trustees who are favourable to this policy is that they do have an interest in facilitating groups of tiny homes if that becomes feasible.

[0:38:34] Voice 2: We understand that obviously that runs into some other regulatory challenges with the building code, but I think the trustees are keen to make sure that there's a permissive policy so that if and when that becomes an available option, that the Islands Trust is prepared for that.

[0:38:52] Voice 2: Early engagement on the Policy Statement Project found that the lack of housing diversity on the islands was really something that was top of mind amongst island residents.

[0:39:05] Voice 2: Another theme was this desire on the islands among people to have the opportunity to age in place.

[0:39:12] Voice 2: That's something that is possible on some islands, but not as possible on others, depending on the nature of the housing stock that is available.

[0:39:19] Voice 2: available. Next steps in this project, as I said, we're here at the beginning of February.

[0:39:29] Voice 2: We'll be coming to the end of this six-month engagement window that's been open. I would

[0:39:32] Voice 2: encourage you to be in contact with your trustees or you can write to the Islands 2050 email

[0:39:38] Voice 2: address or you can fill out the survey. If you want an opinion on the record related

[0:39:43] Voice 2: to the draft policy statement, please do so quickly, although you can write to your trust

[0:39:48] Voice 2: Council at any time, even if sort of the official window is closed. We'll be reporting back to Trust

[0:39:55] Voice 2: Council sometime in the spring or the summer of 2026 with a summary of everything that we've

[0:40:00] Voice 2: heard through this process. And they will have the opportunity then to make further changes

[0:40:04] Voice 2: to the draft policy statement. And hopefully we can be headed towards bylaw adoption before the

[0:40:10] Voice 2: next local government elections. That concludes my presentation. If anybody has any questions

[0:40:19] Voice 2: they wish to ask me. I'm certainly here for it. Otherwise, I think your trustees are interested

[0:40:25] Voice 2: to hear your perspective on the policy statement in order to help them decide how they want to

[0:40:30] Voice 2: respond to Trust Council, because they've been referred this bylaw by the big table of Islands

[0:40:35] Voice 2: Trust Council and are being asked, how does it affect Hornby Island and what, if any, changes

[0:40:41] Voice 2: to be made to this draft document. Thank you. Thank

[0:40:47] Voice 7: you, Jason. So folks, if you have some

[0:40:54] Voice 7: questions that you would like either

[0:40:58] Voice 4: our policy advisor to

[0:41:02] Voice 7: address or other questions, then I

[0:41:08] Voice 7: I invite you to speak up for Jason to be able to hear you might need to come closer to this camera

[0:41:17] Voice 7: where the microphone is but I'll look for a hands anyone have any questions they'd like to ask at

[0:41:24] Voice 7: this point

[0:41:40] Voice 4: um sonya might be able to address that best can you just ask it again

[0:41:44] Voice 4: getting too much here she's very yeah

[0:41:45] Voice 9: i heard so the single land analysis work that's being done

[0:41:49] Voice 9: across the island stress for various islands is not yet at a stage where it's being it's an

[0:41:55] Voice 9: interesting technical evaluation document that was

[0:42:00] Voice 9: no i

[0:42:11] Voice 2: mean you'll see within the draft policy statement there is reference to suitable locations

[0:42:15] Voice 2: And so this, you know, depending on the trajectory of the suitable land analysis project, which I understand may be undergoing a name change shortly, could help inform the identification of suitable areas for certain things.

[0:42:31] Voice 2: But I think what I really want to emphasize about this tool is that it's a decision support tool, like it doesn't make the decision. It's just a way of layering available information and providing an output.

[0:42:46] Voice 2: And then it's, you know, up to, you know, planning staff or elected officials or community members to talk about what the best decision is in light of whatever the output is from this decision support tool.

[0:43:00] Voice 2: And as I think Sonia said, I could only sort of partially hear the question and partially hear the answer.

[0:43:06] Voice 2: It's a tool that's still under development and is not yet being deployed to the best of my knowledge.

[0:43:15] Voice 5: Anyone else?

[0:43:18] Voice 7: yeah go ahead and speak up uh or or come near the microphone either way yeah

[0:43:24] Voice 9: i've been trying

[0:43:24] Voice 9: to think on how to format this question um are the ocp the recommendations around housing for

[0:43:34] Voice 9: the ocp project was put on hold and i'm not sure where the timelines that are are for that and will

[0:43:41] Voice 9: Will the policy statement recommendations be impactful upon our changing bylaws and OCP that comes to housing?

[0:43:53] Voice 9: Just the timing is a bit kind of, yeah.

[0:43:58] Voice 7: Planner Supanek, can you give us your best thoughts on that?

[0:44:02] Voice 9: Sure.

[0:44:03] Voice 9: So you basically identified the issue as timing.

[0:44:06] Voice 9: The trust policy statement is draft bylaws proposed.

[0:44:11] Voice 9: host um so when it's adopted is when that signifies to every local trust committee to examine their

[0:44:17] Voice 9: own policy directives and ensure that they are clear on whether or not they wish to take that

[0:44:24] Voice 9: term political term to to come into compliance as far as i know there's no um strict timeline for

[0:44:30] Voice 9: alignment of each bylaw across the trust area to come into compliance to just solve the statement

[0:44:37] Voice 9: But I'll defer to Jason on that, whether or not there's going to be political direction on how long local trust committees can have to decide how to become compliant with the trust policy statement.

[0:44:48] Voice 9: But the housing project and the portion of this review doesn't need to stall in the interim.

[0:44:57] Voice 9: We're constantly looking at the drafts that are being proposed and identifying for the trustees.

[0:45:03] Voice 9: look it looks like there's a significant departure or there's it looks like it's consistent which

[0:45:09] Voice 9: right now it does look like the hornby drafts are completely consistent with the direction the

[0:45:13] Voice 9: policy statement's going it doesn't feel like a significant departure but this project has been

[0:45:19] Voice 9: paused in terms of implementing the changes in the land use bylaw to realize those housing draft

[0:45:25] Voice 9: housing policies until the vacation rental piece has been dealt with and then the second phase of

[0:45:30] Voice 9: the project would pick up to finish off the First Nations engagement and the budget that we talked

[0:45:38] Voice 9: about earlier will that impact the ability to move forward with this if the budget are rebuilt

[0:45:46] Voice 9: I mean I know that's coming up around the finances later but is it still it's not stopped

[0:45:53] Voice 9: no every local trust committee has access to do minor projects regardless of major project funding

[0:45:59] Voice 9: So the Local Trust Committee really only has until March 2027 to complete this review.

[0:46:05] Voice 9: I understand that after that, there's not a strong likelihood of a major project being funded again for Wormie because they've had significant consecutive funding cycles over the last four years.

[0:46:17] Voice 9: So all that work then needs to be nested under what we call a minor project, which gets a smaller budget.

[0:46:23] Voice 9: But it means that you do a small piece of work with that money, then you move on to the next small piece of work with that next pot of money versus trying to do a lot all at once with maybe just a slightly larger budget.

[0:46:35] Voice 9: So

[0:46:36] Voice 19: it actually could

[0:46:36] Voice 9: be more efficient for the local trust committee to do that work.

[0:46:39] Voice 9: But I'll just defer back to Jason on the question about compliance for local trust committees to come into compliance with the trust policy statements, if there's any direction on that.

[0:46:49] Voice 9: no

[0:46:49] Voice 2: there's there's been no discussion about uh at that level of specificity at the trust council

[0:46:53] Voice 2: table yet um coming at their march quarterly meeting i'm hoping we can have our our first

[0:46:59] Voice 2: preliminary discussion at the big table about um about implementation and about approaches to

[0:47:04] Voice 2: implementation something that could emerge from that is is an edict from trust council about a

[0:47:10] Voice 2: schedule at which they would like local trust committees to bring their bylaws into into

[0:47:14] Voice 2: to alignment but i i i wouldn't foresee that because generally a history of the trust has been

[0:47:19] Voice 2: that uh local trust committees um look askance at trust council when trust council tries to tell

[0:47:25] Voice 2: them when to do certain things but in the future after this draft after this policy statement is

[0:47:32] Voice 2: adopted when the hornby island local trust committee needs to come to executive committee

[0:47:38] Voice 2: with changes to its official community plan or its land use bylaw at that time those changes

[0:47:42] Voice 2: changes will have to be consistent with the new policy statement so time as Sonya said yeah thank

[0:47:49] Voice 2: you uh Tracy Scott well

[0:47:51] Voice 15: I'm a bit surprised because I as I understand it the uh the policy

[0:47:58] Voice 15: recommendations or recommendations to the local trust committees don't worry so our OCP and

[0:48:07] Voice 15: land use bylaws while they have to obviously align with provincial municipal rules and regulations

[0:48:16] Voice 15: that policy statement and the trust council does not dictate the hornby and what we we have a

[0:48:23] Voice 15: passive i think third reading senate fourth reading to the what they do is they don't

[0:48:30] Voice 15: look at the policy statement to see whether we can do that or not they look at the laws of the plan

[0:48:36] Voice 15: in

[0:48:38] Voice 2: there's uh

[0:48:39] Voice 2: sorry go ahead jason

[0:48:41] Voice 2: there is a there is a step in between um your your third

[0:48:48] Voice 2: reading of a bylaw and maybe the minister's approval of the bylaw if that's required which

[0:48:52] Voice 2: is executive committee's review of that bylaw an executive committee is reviewing that bylaw

[0:48:58] Voice 2: against the policy statement to determine whether it's um whether it's consistent

[0:49:02] Voice 2: I

[0:49:03] Voice 7: think so yeah yeah that that Mr. Yeomans is correct and there is that's currently the case

[0:49:11] Voice 7: it has been the case um for quite some time certainly the duration of the current policy

[0:49:16] Voice 7: statement um one of the things you may remember when we um when we go through our bylaws is

[0:49:24] Voice 7: at there's a certain point where we staff will lead us through a document that says

[0:49:30] Voice 7: is that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee

[0:49:34] Voice 7: in our case confirms that the policy statement

[0:49:38] Voice 7: directive checklist has been met.

[0:49:40] Voice 7: So that is how we do business.

[0:49:43] Voice 7: I was hoping that you had something.

[0:49:45] Voice 9: So for example, there are bylaws that are on the agenda

[0:49:48] Voice 9: today, the proposed 176, 177, they were presented

[0:49:52] Voice 9: to the Local Trust Committee for first reading

[0:49:53] Voice 9: before the Local Trust Committee gives first reading.

[0:49:56] Voice 9: You must pass that resolution that those bylaws

[0:49:59] Voice 9: is in the draft form are consistent with the test policy statement so no

[0:50:02] Voice 9: bylaw would get passed for

[0:50:03] Voice 9: a screening unless the ltc's directed staff that it's met the directives of that checklist which

[0:50:09] Voice 9: is being referred to by plenary omens so it's impossible to get to a public hearing and be

[0:50:14] Voice 9: surprised that there's an inconsistency because our job is to make sure that you've reviewed that

[0:50:19] Voice 9: document you understand that it is or isn't consistent based on our analysis so there's

[0:50:24] Voice 9: no surprises at a public hearing and furthermore no surprises when we refer it to the executive

[0:50:29] Voice 9: committee for them to come back and say, this is not consistent.

[0:50:32] Voice 9: We don't want that to happen.

[0:50:33] Voice 9: So we do and have seen that at first reading for any bylaw that we drafted for you.

[0:50:42] Voice 15: The present policy, Jason, you said earlier, the one that's in place now is the NERC-H1.

[0:50:50] Voice 2: It was initially adopted in 1993 and has had just a couple minor tweaks since that time.

[0:50:58] Voice 7: So that's been the state of play

[0:51:00] Voice 7: for quite a few years.

[0:51:02] Voice 7: And before, I don't want to get too far down any particular radical, but I mean, the initial question was more about implementation of a new policy statement.

[0:51:14] Voice 7: And Advisor Yeomans mentioned that, you know, we might have a discussion at March Trust Council.

[0:51:21] Voice 7: My sense is that given the fiscal considerations, we're looking at Trust Council is, this is my personal feeling, unlikely to try and push an aggressive timeline for implementation, getting all of the OCPs and LUBs aligned with a new policy statement, just because it's going to cost a bunch of money.

[0:51:49] Voice 7: um that said anytime a local trust committee is going to open up their ocp and do work on it

[0:52:00] Voice 7: then the new policy statement will come into play so it's possible that some ocps may especially

[0:52:07] Voice 7: ones that might have just be finishing a review right now or just finished a review in the last

[0:52:13] Voice 7: year or two they it might be a number of years before they come up against that um so i i

[0:52:20] Voice 7: honestly i'd be surprised if we have a really as i said sort of aggressive implementation plan that

[0:52:27] Voice 7: sets out a a brief timeline for all of the ocps to become compliant i just don't think i mean

[0:52:38] Voice 7: there's a lot of moving

[0:52:39] Voice 7: pieces partly it's staff but also partly it's just money and um and uh so

[0:52:45] Voice 7: that's my sense anyway yes quick

[0:52:47] Voice 9: question um the policy statement however drives any changes in

[0:52:55] Voice 9: land use on the island so once this is adopted regardless of what the acp says if you're trying

[0:53:00] Voice 9: to make changes those policy directives will apply correct well

[0:53:06] Voice 7: they're going to apply to any new um

[0:53:09] Voice 7: any new bylaws that a local trust committee will be regardless

[0:53:12] Voice 10: of the existing ones right well and

[0:53:17] Voice 7: depending on and um planners if it actually help out here there's a number of um types of

[0:53:25] Voice 7: applications that can happen in a local trust committee that don't really engage an amendment

[0:53:32] Voice 7: to the ocp or land use bylaw and so those ones would not push that implementation um but others

[0:53:42] Voice 7: that uh directly address ocp or land use bylaw would do i have that basically right correct and

[0:53:49] Voice 9: for my interpretation so far that the policy directive is still that your local trust committee

[0:53:55] Voice 9: must address the policies in the items just why policy statement i'm not sure if that's still

[0:54:03] Voice 9: being used in the draft so addressing a policy versus being completely aligned with and consistent

[0:54:09] Voice 9: with could be we're all likely interpreted so if an application comes forward to amend your ocp for

[0:54:16] Voice 9: a very site-specific project the ltc's addressed the issues of environmental protection heritage

[0:54:21] Voice 9: conservation shoreline erosion housing addressed it however they feel they that is applicable then

[0:54:29] Voice 9: then that justification goes back to the executive committee

[0:54:32] Voice 9: to say they actually did address it,

[0:54:33] Voice 9: here's how they addressed it.

[0:54:35] Voice 9: It brings it to mind,

[0:54:37] Voice 9: and there's a demonstrated effort to show

[0:54:39] Voice 9: that these things have not been just pushed off to the side

[0:54:42] Voice 9: that they've been considered.

[0:54:44] Voice 9: There's been an attempt to ensure

[0:54:46] Voice 9: that we're moving towards that objective

[0:54:48] Voice 9: and the goals of this trust policy statement, right,

[0:54:51] Voice 9: in terms of those key issues of housing, climate, and...

[0:54:55] Voice 9: So, and in using that work...

[0:54:56] Voice 9: Sorry, if I can continue.

[0:54:58] Voice 9: Yeah.

[0:54:58] Voice 9: in using that word that opens the door for more specific and direct local

[0:55:06] Voice 9: responses to things as opposed to blanket application of a broader policy yeah and

[0:55:12] Voice 7: speaking as a member of trust council who's really gotten into the weeds over this over the last

[0:55:20] Voice 7: the last year and a half especially there's trustees have put a lot of thought

[0:55:29] Voice 7: into um how to try and achieve this sort of overarching goals without being overly prescriptive

[0:55:38] Voice 7: and if you look at the the wording of individual directive policies um you will notice in some

[0:55:47] Voice 7: cases uh what's the one i was going to use i was going to use the um uh docs um where it says

[0:55:58] Voice 7: limit or prohibit the number of of docks i'm i'm paraphrasing but to my mind prohibits

[0:56:06] Voice 7: pretty clear but limit uh has a range of ways you could limit you could say we're not you know no

[0:56:13] Voice 7: more than one dock per uh kilometer of coastline or per hundred meters of coastline both of those

[0:56:20] Voice 7: are a limit so the way i read the most like the policies the way i read them there's generally

[0:56:28] Voice 7: some space for local trust committees to say here's how we've limited or here's how we've

[0:56:34] Voice 7: addressed whatever the directive is if you delve into the the language especially those directive

[0:56:38] Voice 7: policies and kind of read it to like if i was trying to go this way or that way how much wiggle

[0:56:45] Voice 7: the room that's where you'll see i think the work of trustees reflected to really

[0:56:50] Voice 7: try and dig into that which i think in a lot of cases again is my own opinion um

[0:56:57] Voice 7: speaks to the concern that trustees from across all across the trust area have

[0:57:05] Voice 7: about respecting the local autonomy piece and trying to find that balance

[0:57:13] Voice 7: Anyone else?

[0:57:15] Voice 4: Yeah.

[0:57:16] Voice 3: Fair enough.

[0:57:16] Voice 3: Maybe I should come a little closer.

[0:57:20] Voice 3: Actually, you bring up a good example, the dogs.

[0:57:23] Voice 3: My question is about jurisdiction.

[0:57:25] Voice 3: It seems to me you've got an opportunity here for a kind of clash and some legal action

[0:57:31] Voice 3: based on what is actually a federal responsibility versus a provincial responsibility versus

[0:57:37] Voice 3: a land trust, municipal level of government responsibility.

[0:57:42] Voice 3: I think that's a good question.

[0:57:42] Voice 3: And I think Jason touched on this to some degree, and I'd just like to get that clear.

[0:57:49] Voice 3: How are you going to avoid issues where it's really not a land trust issue, it's, from

[0:57:58] Voice 3: a legal standpoint, it's a provincial jurisdiction.

[0:58:00] Voice 3: The province, for instance, you're using docks, they only, they're responsible for the sea

[0:58:06] Voice 3: bottom.

[0:58:07] Voice 3: Is the federal government responsible for the water problem? Transport Canada talks about safe

[0:58:13] Voice 3: havens and things like that. How are you going to keep yourself from getting into a position

[0:58:20] Voice 3: where you're trying to make a claim and regulate docks, for example,

[0:58:27] Voice 3: and you find that this really doesn't have anything to do with, or it's a concern for

[0:58:33] Voice 3: all the citizens you represent but is it something you can actually uh rule on i i just just be very

[0:58:40] Voice 3: careful you don't get into this you know banging along who who has

[0:58:45] Voice 7: questions here i i understand

[0:58:46] Voice 7: what you're what you're getting at here and um some of the southern gulf islands where i've been

[0:58:53] Voice 7: working over the last year um issues of warages are are of high interest um so you're right the

[0:59:01] Voice 7: the federal government is in control of the water column.

[0:59:04] Voice 7: The province is in control of the seabed,

[0:59:08] Voice 7: but the local government can regulate the surface.

[0:59:13] Voice 7: So, and I think that those,

[0:59:16] Voice 7: my experience so far when these questions come up,

[0:59:19] Voice 7: complex as that is,

[0:59:23] Voice 7: is that Islands Trust staff has a really clear picture

[0:59:27] Voice 7: of where our level of jurisdiction is.

[0:59:30] Voice 7: is so we can regulate what we can regulate which is essentially the surface of the water

[0:59:37] Voice 7: um and not the column and not the sea that um so so and and i'll just to sort of flip that

[0:59:46] Voice 7: uh just for information um big concern in places like ganges harbor on salt spring

[0:59:53] Voice 7: is there's a lot of more employees and it's expensive to

[1:00:00] Voice 7: it would be really expensive for islands trust to start pulling out a big

[1:00:06] Voice 7: enforcement case there. If they chose to regulate those buoys,

[1:00:11] Voice 7: what's really tricky though, is when,

[1:00:13] Voice 7: if you were wanting to do something that is to get the province and the federal

[1:00:17] Voice 7: government to work with the local government, it's really tricky. So,

[1:00:21] Voice 7: but I think the separation of jurisdiction is really clear to our staff.

[1:00:26] Voice 7: So

[1:00:27] Voice 2: may I just add, Jason

[1:00:29] Voice 7: has something to add. Yeah, go ahead.

[1:00:30] Voice 2: Sure, just a little bit of extra context there. This draft policy statement has received review from Islands Trust Legal Council, in part around these questions of jurisdiction, and it's also out for referral right now to all the provincial agencies and federal agencies that might have an interest in it, so they have an opportunity to flag for us if they've got any concerns.

[1:00:56] Voice 2: So through this referral process, we should yield any new information around that.

[1:01:01] Voice 4: Jason, you're muted.

[1:01:03] Voice 2: Oh, am I back now?

[1:01:05] Voice 7: Yeah, you just got cut off.

[1:01:07] Voice 7: You were saying they have the opportunity to flag for us, and then we lost you for a few words.

[1:01:11] Voice 2: Sure.

[1:01:11] Voice 2: They can flag for us through this referral process if they have any issues or concerns.

[1:01:18] Voice 2: And then the other piece, I think the person who asked the question was correct, that there is sort of a governance hierarchy to some extent.

[1:01:30] Voice 2: It's been our experience so far, particularly around water zoning for something like docks, that over time, the province has been willing to defer to the local government's ability to zone the surface of the water as a power that it has under the Local Government Act.

[1:01:48] Voice 2: but it is also the case that if the province wanted to if the province really wanted something

[1:01:56] Voice 2: to happen it could be more permissive than our zoning and there likely isn't much that that we

[1:02:03] Voice 2: could do about that but experience has been that generally the province is quite deferential to our

[1:02:08] Voice 2: to our zoning authority thank

[1:02:12] Voice 7: you for that jason um

[1:02:13] Voice 20: anyone else yes she

[1:02:16] Voice 9: just had to go to the back

[1:02:17] Voice 9: and she does something else okay uh

[1:02:26] Voice 22: just me yeah

[1:02:27] Voice 9: go ahead okay so

[1:02:29] Voice 22: um as we reach the final stages

[1:02:32] Voice 22: of the vacation rental bylaws the decisions you make or about to make shape whether many families

[1:02:38] Voice 22: can continue to be part of the hard form of community including mine this is

[1:02:43] Voice 9: why it's so

[1:02:44] Voice 22: important that

[1:02:44] Voice 9: the information you're relying on is complete sorry accurate and clearly understood

[1:02:51] Voice 9: Councillor

[1:02:51] Voice 4: John Gallo. Yeah, just what's your point of order. Well, is this supposed to be mentioned when we do that and see I am not allowed to

[1:02:57] Voice 9: make statements are only allowed to ask questions.

[1:03:00] Voice 9: Councillor John Gallo. No,

[1:03:01] Voice 7: that's not okay. And I was, I was actually going to ask if this is directly related to the policy statement, because if it's directly related to the Hornby bylaws that I would ask you to wait on that anyway. Sorry.

[1:03:15] Voice 22: Sorry, is this not public?

[1:03:17] Voice 22: No,

[1:03:17] Voice 7: we're not there yet.

[1:03:18] Voice 7: Oh,

[1:03:18] Voice 22: I'm so sorry.

[1:03:19] Voice 22: That's what

[1:03:20] Voice 7: I meant to say,

[1:03:20] Voice 22: not on this.

[1:03:26] Voice 7: Okay, I have no questions around the draft policy statement at this time.

[1:03:33] Voice 7: I know this is a complicated meeting.

[1:03:35] Voice 7: We've got three different parts today.

[1:03:37] Voice 17: But

[1:03:37] Voice 7: we're still on the policy statement.

[1:03:39] Voice 7: Anyone else on the policy statement today?

[1:03:41] Voice 7: Just

[1:03:42] Voice 9: clarification from Sonia.

[1:03:45] Voice 9: question about

[1:03:46] Voice 10: the timing of our current housing review so right now it's

[1:03:53] Voice 10: funded until march

[1:03:54] Voice 9: 27th

[1:03:55] Voice 9: if we finish by march 2027 we can do it is that what you said the local trust committee's budget

[1:04:02] Voice 9: will be approved this march for one more year for this major review there's a proposal for

[1:04:09] Voice 9: additional funds to finish the project and yeah so then they would need to decide how much they want

[1:04:15] Voice 9: to get done in that last year of major project funding because it's highly unlikely that they

[1:04:20] Voice 9: would be successful in getting more major project funding so then they would have to

[1:04:25] Voice 9: do small bits of work under the minor project um what's probably coming down the pipe my sense is

[1:04:35] Voice 9: it's pretty close anywhere we can do that and it's it's an application for funding

[1:04:43] Voice 9: in terms of implementing the new trust policy so there's a bit of a process left for that to

[1:04:49] Voice 9: be adopted right but we could use similar language if we chose to perhaps look at the committee might

[1:04:56] Voice 9: just defer to what's currently because there's no guarantee after the elections which are this fall

[1:05:01] Voice 9: because there isn't going to be a complete reversal on the work that's been done that's

[1:05:08] Voice 9: the problem of doing any work like this right before an election year is that there's a risk

[1:05:13] Voice 9: that if it isn't adopted by september 2026 after the elections it could all be paused

[1:05:20] Voice 9: it could all be changed or it just trickles on as it is so we don't know

[1:05:26] Voice 7: anything else on the policy statement before i move along okay i'm not seeing any more hands up

[1:05:34] Voice 7: uh thank you so much jason and joe for joining us for this portion and uh i'm going to move us along

[1:05:44] Voice 7: um because we do have a lot to get to today i'm thinking um but we'll have minutes for adoption

[1:05:55] Voice 7: any yes public

[1:05:58] Voice 9: comments comes

[1:05:59] Voice 22: in four minutes and i just want to

[1:06:00] Voice 9: get a point of clarity what's on

[1:06:01] Voice 9: in oh

[1:06:02] Voice 5: you know what you're right you're right

[1:06:04] Voice 5: i apologize okay

[1:06:06] Voice 9: and here's my question and it

[1:06:07] Voice 9: depends the answer depends whether i speak now or later the information i was given was community

[1:06:13] Voice 9: information was an opportunity for the public to ask questions and not make statements and so our

[1:06:20] Voice 9: approach to it has been to work through a number of questions you'd like answered but not have any

[1:06:27] Voice 9: the statement if i can make a statement at the public and the cim i'm happy to do so but if i

[1:06:32] Voice 9: can't if it's not hard you

[1:06:33] Voice 7: want to make sure you get a chance right yeah okay okay uh so any advice

[1:06:38] Voice 7: there yeah

[1:06:38] Voice 9: so ideally the time that the local trust committee set aside for your community

[1:06:43] Voice 9: information meeting today is to make sure you have all the information you need so that's why the

[1:06:49] Voice 9: prioritization is your technical questions your process questions your whatever it is you need

[1:06:54] Voice 9: so that you're preparing for a public hearing which could be as early as the spring uh if

[1:07:00] Voice 9: there's time the local trust committee absolutely if there's no questions then use that time to

[1:07:04] Voice 9: provide your input there's

[1:07:06] Voice 22: questions yeah

[1:07:06] Voice 9: and so if there is sufficient time the local trust

[1:07:09] Voice 9: committee and the chair who is facilitating the process can then open the floor to just general

[1:07:15] Voice 9: comments and input about anything related to those two bylaws but the focus is can we answer your

[1:07:23] Voice 9: questions so that you can decide how to come or prepare submissions for the public hearing

[1:07:28] Voice 9: in the future that indicates your support for the bylaws as presented, your support for changes,

[1:07:34] Voice 9: and what those changes should be. I mean that's really the point of the input. You either like

[1:07:41] Voice 9: the bylaws the way they are or you want to see changes and this is what you want to see. So

[1:07:46] Voice 9: after today there should be some clarity for all of you, I hope, as to how you would like

[1:07:50] Voice 9: to provide that input to the local trust committee

[1:07:53] Voice 9: when the public hearing is scheduled.

[1:07:59] Voice 7: Clear as mud?

[1:08:00] Voice 9: Clear as mud.

[1:08:01] Voice 9: And actually, if people will indulge me,

[1:08:03] Voice 9: I think I would like to just put what I have to say on the table

[1:08:06] Voice 9: because I think

[1:08:07] Voice 9: it helps as we move forward

[1:08:08] Voice 9: to the discussion.

[1:08:09] Voice 7: Sure, why don't you proceed?

[1:08:11] Voice 9: I will repeat myself my apologies.

[1:08:13] Voice 9: We're reaching the final stages of the vacation rental bylaws

[1:08:16] Voice 9: and the decisions you're about to make will shape

[1:08:19] Voice 9: whether families can stay on Hornby or not,

[1:08:21] Voice 9: including my own.

[1:08:22] Voice 9: um that's why it's important the information you rely on is complete accurate and clearly

[1:08:27] Voice 9: understood earlier this week i raised a concern with staff about the county provincial registration

[1:08:32] Voice 9: numbers they were given last summer a small group of community members independently reviewed rental

[1:08:38] Voice 9: closings and identified 98 unique numbers all in the provincial

[1:08:43] Voice 22: structure while the province

[1:08:45] Voice 22: once provided staff with 87.

[1:08:48] Voice 22: Either number represents a significant decline

[1:08:50] Voice 22: from the 162 in the agency report

[1:08:53] Voice 22: and even from 135 you referenced last year.

[1:08:56] Voice 22: But the difference itself matters.

[1:08:58] Voice 22: At this

[1:08:58] Voice 9: stage, unresolved gaps in baseline data

[1:09:01] Voice 9: affect the decisions that follow.

[1:09:04] Voice 9: And context also matters.

[1:09:06] Voice 9: The 2023 community profile shows that 40% of homes

[1:09:10] Voice 9: in Formby are part-time residents.

[1:09:11] Voice 9: The highest, no, that's not true.

[1:09:14] Voice 9: a high proportion for the gulf islands and most importantly three quarters of those do not operate

[1:09:21] Voice 9: a legal vacation rental note i wouldn't use the word legal but

[1:09:25] Voice 22: they do fill with friends and

[1:09:26] Voice 22: family in the summer and why does this matter because it affects how we understand what creates

[1:09:32] Voice 22: our summer population part-time owners and their families account for well above

[1:09:36] Voice 9: half of the summer

[1:09:38] Voice 9: population. Campgrounds and resorts represent another quarter and legal vacation rentals,

[1:09:44] Voice 9: even if everyone was full, which we know is not the case, represent less than 10%. So reducing

[1:09:50] Voice 9: them will have a little impact on the summer population but does directly affect the jobs

[1:09:56] Voice 9: and incomes of many members of

[1:09:58] Voice 9: the community. We all agree affordable housing is critical

[1:10:03] Voice 9: And the MRDT provides stable annual funding for affordable workforce housing,

[1:10:09] Voice 22: most of

[1:10:10] Voice 22: which comes from legal vacation rentals.

[1:10:13] Voice 22: Without it, projects like the one High Seekers have

[1:10:15] Voice 9: done would not be where they are today.

[1:10:19] Voice 9: Closing existing, and I underline the word existing, legal rentals won't create affordable

[1:10:25] Voice 9: housing, allowing them to continue to fund it.

[1:10:28] Voice 9: it. By

[1:10:29] Voice 22: asking you to allow the current and legally operating vacation rentals to continue

[1:10:34] Voice 22: under the new regulations, we're not asking for uncontrolled growth. We need a cap. It

[1:10:40] Voice 22: makes more sense, however, to set that cap after we know how many current legal operators

[1:10:46] Voice 22: will qualify under the TPP rules. And

[1:10:49] Voice 9: no one is asking to weaken the TPP requirements,

[1:10:52] Voice 9: requirements, but the rules and the processes for it must be clear, workable, and fair.

[1:10:58] Voice 9: Since July, we,

[1:11:00] Voice 22: HISRA, and its members have asked you to consider targeted refinements

[1:11:03] Voice 22: to by-laws, changes that can be made through amendments and policy directions today.

[1:11:08] Voice 22: These requirements improve clarity, affordability, fairness, simplify the process, and suggest

[1:11:14] Voice 22: meaningful support for full-time residents in the community.

[1:11:18] Voice 22: there are about 100 families in our

[1:11:21] Voice 9: community who operate legal vacation rentals in good faith

[1:11:25] Voice 9: many for decades and who rely who are ready to meet

[1:11:29] Voice 22: the new standards what they need from you

[1:11:31] Voice 22: is a simple assurance that if they meet the requirements they will be allowed a tup and

[1:11:36] Voice 22: to continue to contribute to the community we all love okay thank you

[1:11:43] Voice 7: uh i know i didn't uh

[1:11:46] Voice 7: uh i apologize because of the um back and forth here i didn't properly announce the public comment

[1:11:55] Voice 7: period um but i'll just um take a moment to note that uh this is that time um we will have the

[1:12:05] Voice 7: community information meeting coming up on um so questions about that i think should be deferred to

[1:12:13] Voice 7: that rather than statements um but just remind you that if you have um questions or comments

[1:12:18] Voice 7: for the local trust committee uh please speak to the issues um not individuals um and to use

[1:12:26] Voice 7: respectful language um this is uh a workplace as well and our staff um also have a right to a safe

[1:12:35] Voice 7: and respectful workplace as well i would hope we all extend that courtesy to all of each other um

[1:12:42] Voice 7: and uh so with that i'll see if there's anything else that anyone would like to

[1:12:46] Voice 7: share at this time of the meeting um with the local trust committee questions or comments

[1:13:01] Voice 7: he's trying to get you to raise your hand again

[1:13:03] Voice 7: what

[1:13:04] Voice 10: questions are we addressing i mean is it we're not honestly

[1:13:09] Voice 10: honestly regarding venture or

[1:13:11] Voice 10: um well

[1:13:15] Voice 7: i would think if it's if it's questions about the short-term vacation rental bylaws then

[1:13:21] Voice 7: let's hold out for the community information maybe come out later after four o'clock

[1:13:25] Voice 7: if it's other things to do with the hornby ltc business or statements then now but there will

[1:13:34] Voice 10: be time to address questions and statements later on i

[1:13:39] Voice 7: believe so yeah yeah the community

[1:13:42] Voice 7: information means all about the question and answer yeah

[1:13:44] Voice 10: yes

[1:13:47] Voice 7: um

[1:13:48] Voice 10: i just have a question about

[1:13:51] Voice 10: um the timing of the meetings and the fact that

[1:13:54] Voice 9: i'm confused why some meetings

[1:13:57] Voice 9: meetings are allowed to have like zoom and interaction from afar and some aren't and I

[1:14:05] Voice 9: find I'm finding it very difficult for this meeting and the community meeting this afternoon

[1:14:12] Voice 9: that we're doing this in January which I understand the

[1:14:17] Voice 8: fact that there's so many people

[1:14:21] Voice 8: that are stakeholders

[1:14:23] Voice 8: for this community

[1:14:25] Voice 8: and many of them

[1:14:27] Voice 8: are not here or can't get here

[1:14:29] Voice 8: because they're on vacation

[1:14:31] Voice 8: and I'm confused why

[1:14:33] Voice 8: we couldn't do a Zoom

[1:14:35] Voice 8: for this community meeting

[1:14:37] Voice 8: at 4.

[1:14:40] Voice 8: Is there

[1:14:41] Voice 8: because we've done

[1:14:43] Voice 8: Zoom meetings where we've been able to be

[1:14:45] Voice 8: interactive and I feel

[1:14:47] Voice 8: very strongly that it's a

[1:14:49] Voice 9: um i

[1:14:50] Voice 9: don't want to slap in the face but just it's really unfortunate and we're going to be using

[1:14:58] Voice 9: the information

[1:14:59] Voice 10: from a whole lot of people that are away right now so i just would like to know

[1:15:04] Voice 10: why we can't do that so

[1:15:07] Voice 7: i want to speak to what i understand of the technical aspects

[1:15:11] Voice 7: and and this has been the case since we've been meeting in this building we used to meet over at

[1:15:17] Voice 7: the school piece there which also had its own issues but what we have so far had happened here

[1:15:26] Voice 7: is that there is limited bandwidth for the internet and so while we seem to be having

[1:15:32] Voice 7: reasonable success having some staff come in um it's when we're getting a lot of interaction it

[1:15:41] Voice 7: seems like we don't have enough bandwidth and then we have technical problems of like people

[1:15:46] Voice 7: speaking that we can't hear them and that's also not great too um i don't know what maybe either

[1:15:54] Voice 7: the local trustees uh you know essentially i think that the feeling was as i recall that

[1:16:02] Voice 7: meeting in person here was was was the way to go but um you know until such time as we've got

[1:16:10] Voice 7: really good internet connection um here then hybrid is still it's a challenge and i don't

[1:16:17] Voice 7: you know we're advised by staff not to try and launch a hybrid meeting when we're not sure that

[1:16:23] Voice 7: it's going to work properly so

[1:16:25] Voice 10: those people who are

[1:16:26] Voice 9: here between four and seven tonight will still

[1:16:30] Voice 9: be able to ask questions and make comments till when well

[1:16:36] Voice 7: absolutely it's proposed that we have

[1:16:39] Voice 7: haven't made we will be making a decision potentially today about when we would hold

[1:16:44] Voice 7: hold a public hearing um one of the proposals is to have that public hearing uh at our march

[1:16:50] Voice 7: meeting which i think is march 20th that sound right um and if that if the committee decides

[1:17:00] Voice 7: to hold the march uh or the public hearing on the on the bylaws in march then that's that will be

[1:17:08] Voice 7: announced today and that'll maybe be made public

[1:17:10] Voice 10: and that will be a chance to still put people

[1:17:14] Voice 10: people to put their defense in and make statements absolutely

[1:17:18] Voice 7: and and so not only between now and

[1:17:21] Voice 7: then um emails etc but at the public hearing um and leading up to the public hearing itself

[1:17:30] Voice 7: there's a statutory period of time where we'll have a public hearing binder so communications

[1:17:37] Voice 7: communications written in advance and actually I think right up until just the closing of the

[1:17:44] Voice 7: public hearing itself where we receive public submissions in both in person and written format

[1:17:52] Voice 7: so and

[1:17:53] Voice 10: that might be March 20th

[1:17:55] Voice 7: I think I think March 20th was the date I don't have my calendar

[1:17:59] Voice 10: out so

[1:18:00] Voice 10: the March

[1:18:01] Voice 7: the March meeting is it was one of the proposals we have March 20th it is right

[1:18:05] Voice 7: Okay. But we haven't, we're going to, we're going to address whether we're going to decide to

[1:18:10] Voice 7: schedule a public hearing later today.

[1:18:14] Voice 9: Okay. I appreciate that answer. So it kind of sounds

[1:18:16] Voice 9: like we need someplace else until we get bail with you.

[1:18:21] Voice 10: We need someplace else to have

[1:18:22] Voice 10: to do

[1:18:24] Voice 7: an in-person and electronic, like obviously if it's all electronic or all in person,

[1:18:31] Voice 7: then we're not talking hybrid it's it's hybrid where where we run into these problems with the

[1:18:37] Voice 7: technical stuff and we really need really good bandwidth there i mean i hope hopefully there

[1:18:42] Voice 7: will be a fiber optic cable here one day i

[1:18:45] Voice 9: hear rumors and i hear rumors they're

[1:18:49] Voice 7: starting to talk

[1:18:50] Voice 7: about it over on the skidi but i'll believe it when i see it um so back to the back to the public

[1:18:56] Voice 7: comments here anything else not to do with the short-term vacation rentals but other local trust

[1:19:05] Voice 7: committee business today in the back sir you

[1:19:08] Voice 8: must be aware that we'll have 30 less campsites

[1:19:11] Voice 8: this

[1:19:12] Voice 7: summer 30 less campsites yeah

[1:19:29] Voice 7: Okay, before we move on, anyone else?

[1:19:37] Voice 13: I'll just say one thing.

[1:19:39] Voice 9: The higher up has high red meanings all the time.

[1:19:43] And it seems to be the last, well, since COVID, I think,

[1:19:52] Voice 10: yeah

[1:19:53] Voice 7: and i will be the first to admit i'm not a very techie person um so this is you know this

[1:20:00] Voice 7: is based on our past experience that we've had trouble with that so and

[1:20:04] Voice 21: it's not just

[1:20:05] Voice 21: high you know it's we also have to have the staff elsewhere and uh staff here and then

[1:20:14] Voice 21: audiences out there and since here it's actually more complicated than Hira because Hira's just

[1:20:18] Voice 21: got Hira's just in the hall and then people outside the hall and inside the hall we've got

[1:20:23] Voice 21: staff everywhere yes

[1:20:27] Voice 13: the back just

[1:20:28] Voice 10: a suggestion it's the last big meeting uh i'm following that

[1:20:34] Voice 10: would have been very nice but in the future we have a mic possibility because it is very

[1:20:40] Voice 10: hard to understand you guys sometimes uh is the technical situation not possible that we can

[1:20:47] Voice 10: people have a mic so we can hear you properly

[1:20:50] Voice 7: and i would see if hornby trustees know the right

[1:20:54] Voice 7: people to try and make that happen um maybe we could try to set that up if if we do have public

[1:21:01] Voice 7: hearing on the 20th that might be a good time to try and do that there could be a big turnout

[1:21:08] Voice 7: i see trustee allen's making notes yeah

[1:21:14] Voice 7: okay anything else before we move to the next section here okay um we have

[1:21:23] Voice 7: we've got some minutes to adopt we've got a hornby uh board of various minutes and then i

[1:21:30] Voice 7: wanted to get us to a break but i also know we have a delegation that's wanting to speak to us

[1:21:38] Voice 7: and um i don't want to push you too far past the time i think we have you scheduled

[1:21:46] Voice 7: about 120

[1:21:48] Voice 7: um but i do want to get us a break in there so are you are you okay to hang

[1:21:53] Voice 7: up for a little bit or do you need to get up okay well let's

[1:21:58] Voice 7: quickly let's quickly go through our

[1:22:00] Voice 7: minutes and i mean i assume we could go through minutes pretty quickly and the follow-up action

[1:22:05] Voice 7: get that get to that place is that okay trustees yeah okay so anything on the minutes from september

[1:22:13] Voice 7: 5th okay we will uh receive uh adopt those as presented we have the resolutions of that meeting

[1:22:23] Voice 7: report on page 12 there pretty straightforward that was the meeting we had to cancel every

[1:22:27] Voice 7: schedule um we have the board of variance minutes and order dated january 5th and uh i've read that

[1:22:39] Voice 7: um but i'll just turn to staff and see if there's anything that you want to point out on those

[1:22:45] Voice 7: and anything from trustees no full of action list is on page 20 if there's anything you need to

[1:22:58] Voice 7: fill us in on on this you

[1:23:00] Voice 9: know further updates unless you have any questions

[1:23:01] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:23:02] Voice 7: And trustees, any questions? All right. So we will receive that for information. That being the case, the next item is the delegation. Stella. And if you come up a bit further, then it'll be easier for folks online or people watching the recording later to hear you.

[1:23:29] Voice 7: uh

[1:23:30] Voice 18: thank you for having me today um on september 17th i submitted a formal delegation not a formal

[1:23:37] Voice 18: delegation an interim non-enforcement uh regarding alr and a1 um issues that we were having um we

[1:23:46] Voice 18: requested a meeting without a resolution without meeting which i don't think the trustees felt

[1:23:53] Voice 18: comfortable with so it's being deferred to now. During that time we've had to close our business

[1:23:59] Voice 18: operations down due to uncertain capital and financial security. I'm also experiencing

[1:24:10] Voice 18: similar issues. We're basically being put into a corner right now where we can't afford to farm,

[1:24:16] Voice 18: we can't afford to have food and produce and value-added goods sold out to the community.

[1:24:21] Voice 18: You've probably seen that with some changes of the local farm, some being listed unfortunately

[1:24:26] Voice 18: and some doing different operations.

[1:24:29] Voice 18: As a direct result of this continued uncertainty,

[1:24:31] Voice 18: several farms are now being forced to cancel

[1:24:33] Voice 18: winter planting investment

[1:24:35] Voice 18: due to unknown economic viability

[1:24:37] Voice 18: created by ongoing enforcement risks,

[1:24:40] Voice 18: which I'll get into.

[1:24:42] Voice 18: This has immediate and material implications

[1:24:44] Voice 18: for local food security, farm continuity,

[1:24:46] Voice 18: and increased future capital costs.

[1:24:50] Voice 18: With that, I'll just read the letter

[1:24:52] Voice 18: that I submitted September 17th,

[1:24:54] Voice 18: which I will then propose a resolution forward to the trustee council and hopefully get a vote

[1:25:01] Voice 18: in a clear direction forward. I'm writing on behalf of several farms operating under the

[1:25:06] Voice 18: Hornby Island Agricultural Association to respectfully request that the Hornby Island

[1:25:11] Voice 18: Trust Council Committee pass a resolution to direct by-law enforcement staff to take no

[1:25:19] Voice 18: enforcement action with respect to existing and proposed farm-based agritourism accommodation

[1:25:24] Voice 18: uses during the period that this matter is under review by the Advisory Planning Commission which

[1:25:30] Voice 18: was requested May 6 2024 under section 7.2 of the special meeting minutes and to give you a

[1:25:38] Voice 18: background why this request is being made and just outline the background basically to this

[1:25:44] Voice 18: ask several properties within the agricultural land reserve on Hornby Island are active farms

[1:25:49] Voice 18: as defined by BC Assessment and have offered small-scale farm-based agritourism accommodation

[1:25:55] Voice 18: to help sustain their agricultural operations. Many of these farms begin offering seasonal

[1:26:01] Voice 18: agritourism accommodation following a significant ALR policy change in February 2019 when the

[1:26:08] Voice 1: Agricultural

[1:26:09] Voice 18: Land Use Regulation BC Red 30 slash 2019 came into force. Under Section 33 of this

[1:26:16] Voice 18: regulation it allows up to 10 temporary seasonal non-permanent sleeping units for agritourism

[1:26:22] Voice 18: accommodation provided they are not prohibited by local area bylaw at the time islands bylaw

[1:26:29] Voice 18: islands trust bylaw did not specifically prohibit such uses and farms proceeded in good faith if

[1:26:35] Voice 18: you're from hornby you probably saw around 2019 there was some additional agritourism

[1:26:41] Voice 18: establishments developed. In January 2020, the ALC, which is the Agricultural Land Commission,

[1:26:48] Voice 18: updated Information Bulletin 06, Tourist and Agritourism Accommodation and ALR,

[1:26:54] Voice 18: adding this key clarification, quote, the local government may expressly prohibit these uses

[1:27:01] Voice 18: or alternatively, and this is the important part, the local government may simply not list those

[1:27:08] Voice 18: uses among permitted uses that can occur in a particular zone which accomplishes

[1:27:13] Voice 18: the same purpose. So basically the omission of it being expressly approved

[1:27:17] Voice 18: within the local area bylaw defers to the ALR saying that you can't do it.

[1:27:24] Voice 18: Many farmers became aware of this change recently when contacted by bylaw

[1:27:30] Voice 18: enforcement staff regarding alleged zoning contraventions. There was a

[1:27:34] Voice 18: campaign I assume from somewhere somehow and about three or four of the farms had bylaw interactions

[1:27:41] Voice 18: this summer which we didn't know about we thought we were acting in good faith.

[1:27:46] Voice 18: In response on May 6th 2024 the HIA formally requested the LTC align the Hornby Island land

[1:27:53] Voice 18: use bylaws for A1 zone ALR properties within the provincial framework basically for it to copy

[1:27:59] Voice 18: be the ALR which is provincially governed. The LTC moved in second to refer this matter

[1:28:06] Voice 18: to the Hornby Island Advisory Planning Commission for review and comment. However, the farms

[1:28:12] Voice 18: involved are now under active bylaw investigation while the APC has not yet completed its review.

[1:28:19] Voice 18: Then I have a bunch of precedents and process of motions and that sort of thing which I

[1:28:24] Voice 18: think are in the files for this case um so at this point i would like to ask the staff if we could um

[1:28:35] Voice 18: have a resolution based on my proposal which i think is written down or would you like me to

[1:28:40] Voice 18: repeat it you have it

[1:28:42] Voice 7: you have your submission in our general package but uh i think there's

[1:28:49] Voice 7: a question directed to staff there no

[1:28:51] Voice 9: not that's not a reference to me you're the decision makers

[1:28:54] Voice 9: no

[1:28:54] Voice 7: uh there's no there's no process reason why we couldn't consider a resolution um trustee out

[1:29:01] Voice 21: yeah i had a resolution slightly slightly different morning but great so much yours

[1:29:05] Voice 21: yeah i apologize because i did talk to you on the phone and i thought it could be an rwn

[1:29:09] Voice 21: and uh staff said no so um staff didn't say no it just said this could be a conversation so

[1:29:18] Voice 21: over to basically wait to this meeting okay yeah

[1:29:22] Voice 7: yeah

[1:29:23] Voice 21: and

[1:29:23] Voice 7: i know i mentioned uh because i spoke

[1:29:26] Voice 7: here on the phone as well that the issue in resolutions without meetings is that as soon

[1:29:30] Voice 7: as any one of us three start to have questions or or what you know questions of clarity or anything

[1:29:38] Voice 7: on the text then it can no longer be a resolution without meaning i think that that was staff's

[1:29:44] Voice 7: advice in this case that it seemed like we weren't all you know clear it wasn't such a simple cut and

[1:29:51] Voice 7: dry thing that so that's why i'm

[1:29:54] Voice 18: happy to ask any answer any questions

[1:29:56] Voice 7: do we want to you want to

[1:30:00] Voice 7: before you go to a resolution sure go ahead so the reference

[1:30:05] Voice 15: to the apc here

[1:30:08] Voice 15: has this been referred to the apc no

[1:30:11] Voice 9: is

[1:30:12] Voice 15: there a reason why so

[1:30:14] Voice 9: through the chair the local

[1:30:16] Voice 9: trust committee has a major project underway that does not have this in scope as part of

[1:30:22] Voice 9: the work either as a minor or major project so the ltc would need to decide how to allocate

[1:30:31] Voice 9: your resources to stop the work of your major or your minor project and pivot to another

[1:30:39] Voice 9: landless bylaw review topic agritourism accommodation in the ALR. That was the advice

[1:30:44] Voice 9: that was given to you at the time that this would be on hold until something else is completed.

[1:30:50] Voice 9: The short-term vacation rental portion of this OCP review has taken up the bulk

[1:30:54] Voice 9: bulk of yours and your staff resources time so this all other aspects of the OCP review have

[1:31:01] Voice 9: been put on hold and this isn't even a part of that scoping so the referrals you may see would

[1:31:07] Voice 9: signify to the volunteers that do the work that their work and their hours put into that referral

[1:31:14] Voice 9: will result in political direction and action which wouldn't be the case unless you were to

[1:31:20] Voice 9: to actually formally pause work on one of your projects

[1:31:25] Voice 9: and defer that until this particular topic is addressed.

[1:31:30] Voice 9: Otherwise, you typically don't ask your volunteers

[1:31:32] Voice 9: to do a lot of work because it could be months or years

[1:31:35] Voice 9: before that implementation takes place,

[1:31:38] Voice 9: in which case you'd have to re-refer all over again.

[1:31:43] Voice 7: Clear as mud.

[1:31:46] Voice 7: Do you have a further question?

[1:31:48] Voice 7: so the abc that's what abc referral hasn't proceeded it's

[1:31:53] Voice 9: not on your list of projects

[1:31:55] Voice 9: your marching orders to staff is based on is it in the objectives or scope of your project charter

[1:32:02] Voice 9: no that's how you direct staff to do work is if it's not part of that it just gets parked until

[1:32:09] Voice 9: this is completed which we're not there yet so

[1:32:13] Voice 1: at any point

[1:32:13] Voice 9: you can decide to say actually we're

[1:32:15] Voice 9: to pause this review and take three to four months to sort this out so do a referral bring that

[1:32:21] Voice 9: referral back to ltc do an analysis on the implications of this and let's build it into

[1:32:26] Voice 9: the project charter or just stand alone side project for example using these funds to do a

[1:32:31] Voice 9: potential bylaw in it

[1:32:33] Voice 7: yeah and then just add um so we're not obviously i don't think it's apt

[1:32:40] Voice 7: to pause the major project here um if we wanted to propose an additional minor project we'd have to

[1:32:49] Voice 7: give staff some direction and they'd have to help us scope that out to see if it fits as a minor

[1:32:53] Voice 7: project all of that said um a a resolution to um as being proposed here to i

[1:33:02] Voice 5: have a different

[1:33:03] Voice 7: temporarily suspend or whatever can i speak yeah go ahead um

[1:33:07] Voice 21: well for one i i don't i'm

[1:33:10] Voice 21: be confused here because we this was a motion back in 2023 or 20 where we were going to refer

[1:33:19] Voice 21: this particular alr accommodations to the apc and it was basically it was considered a project i

[1:33:26] Voice 21: thought it was just all part of this whole review so i don't understand if i if i put a motion saying

[1:33:33] Voice 21: i'd like the apc to review this and uh and put a hold moratorium on any vital enforcement until

[1:33:41] Voice 21: they've reviewed it is that not the right way to go sorry is that not a process because

[1:33:47] Voice 18: that's not

[1:33:48] Voice 18: actually what happened so you know i'm as a farm owner here a local farm owner i want to act

[1:33:55] Voice 18: however the community wants me to act you know we right now subsidize our farming operations cows

[1:34:01] Voice 18: elder housing essential worker housing we subsidize for families here because of our

[1:34:06] Voice 18: or tourism the issue that i'm currently having is and as businessmen i have no way forward

[1:34:12] Voice 18: we're investing in capital we're investing in local families we're investing in housing

[1:34:16] Voice 18: i can't do that if bylaw is knocking on my door being like oh we're gonna shut you down in six

[1:34:21] Voice 18: months it's not a it's a generational investment so when that law was passed there was no carve out

[1:34:29] Voice 18: for the non-enforcement of bylaw all it was was going to the abc which i'm fully supportive of

[1:34:35] Voice 18: I want a review I want whoever makes those decisions to say this is how you operate

[1:34:40] Voice 18: totally fine by me what I'm what we're trying to work towards though is we can't operate if

[1:34:46] Voice 18: bylaw is trying to shut us down all the time and so what this motion the essence of this motion is

[1:34:52] Voice 18: give us that ramp up until it can be reviewed whenever that happens whenever there's a small

[1:34:57] Voice 18: project or a major project or staff resources to be able to allocate that time towards the APC

[1:35:02] Voice 18: um

[1:35:03] Voice 21: and

[1:35:04] Voice 18: then we can keep operating until you guys tell us how we can operate essentially so

[1:35:09] Voice 21: so you know we have that standing we have that standing resolution for moratorium on

[1:35:18] Voice 21: those dwellings those addresses that are still standing for ever and ever to renew

[1:35:24] Voice 21: until we address housing so can this not be you know even if it's separate from the ocp review

[1:35:31] Voice 21: you etc etc can we not refer this to the apc right now and they come back to us on this or

[1:35:37] Voice 21: so

[1:35:38] Voice 9: i guess that's where the confusion lies is that anything that you refer to an apc signifies

[1:35:44] Voice 9: a project where they're not your um like an administrative counsel to you on unrelated

[1:35:51] Voice 9: things it's you currently have projects underway that's your business and the projects are

[1:35:57] Voice 9: are initiated through the project charter.

[1:35:59] Voice 9: If you want to amend a project charter

[1:36:02] Voice 9: to include this specifically,

[1:36:05] Voice 9: that is the gateway to then access your staff

[1:36:10] Voice 9: who right now have very clear direction

[1:36:13] Voice 9: on what to focus on.

[1:36:14] Voice 9: So regardless of the ABC doing all this work

[1:36:17] Voice 9: behind the scenes, it has to come back to you through staff.

[1:36:21] Voice 9: So even if it's one hour, two hours, three hours,

[1:36:23] Voice 9: that work will result in possible draft bylaw amendments possible analysis of implications

[1:36:29] Voice 9: for consistency with the ALC with the LGA so that's why it has to be nested in a project

[1:36:36] Voice 9: charter for you to access the staff resources and you decide what the work is within a given term

[1:36:43] Voice 9: but then you have to let us know through the project charter part of your work on the vacation

[1:36:48] Voice 9: rental because this needs to come forward as part of those bylaws when we see them we don't want to

[1:36:55] Voice 9: see the vacation rental bylaws without the agritourism accommodation piece for example

[1:36:59] Voice 9: but the direction that staff received last year was get rid of the housing piece get rid of don't

[1:37:05] Voice 9: bring us the first nations engagement stuff just bring us the short vacation rental and ocp policy

[1:37:11] Voice 9: supporting housing uh deal with the cisterns and whatever else it was so that's the bylaws that

[1:37:16] Voice 9: you have right now are based on that direction to streamline the vacation rentals and everything

[1:37:22] Voice 9: else gets parked until you change the project charter or pass a resolution to staff to say

[1:37:28] Voice 9: tuck this in and then show us that right okay

[1:37:32] Voice 21: so can i just follow up yeah so there is an option

[1:37:36] Voice 21: instead of referring to apc but that's because it becomes a project that we can pass a motion

[1:37:42] Voice 21: and just to say, you know, a moratorium on bylaw enforcement

[1:37:46] Voice 21: until we get through this large project.

[1:37:48] Voice 21: We can do that.

[1:37:49] Voice 21: Because what's going on is it's obviously an uncertainty

[1:37:51] Voice 21: with a lot of farms here, right?

[1:37:54] Voice 21: It's their business, it's ancillary to their, you know,

[1:37:56] Voice 21: glamping and accommodations.

[1:37:57] Voice 21: And so, you know, they shouldn't have to go through this summer

[1:38:01] Voice 21: and deal with that.

[1:38:02] Voice 21: And so I just wanted to know how we could address it

[1:38:04] Voice 21: without becoming a major project

[1:38:06] Voice 21: and just make it a motion as a moratorium

[1:38:08] Voice 21: on bylaw enforcement only and just leave it at that

[1:38:11] Voice 21: tell further can we review it

[1:38:14] Voice 9: further so currently you don't have a minor project underway

[1:38:19] Voice 9: no because all the resources are focused on the major project so i am not responsible to support

[1:38:29] Voice 9: your minor projects but you could through the regional planning manager request that there

[1:38:34] Voice 9: be some resourcing for that referral to go out for that information to be presented back to you

[1:38:38] Voice 9: with some analysis and then be prepared to nest that under a minor project but

[1:38:43] Voice 21: this is just a

[1:38:44] Voice 9: moratorium excuse

[1:38:44] Voice 21: me sorry because this is just a moratorium it's nothing about the apc at this

[1:38:49] Voice 21: point it's a moratorium i thought you wanted

[1:38:52] Voice 9: a referral to the apc

[1:38:53] Voice 21: no no no i'm saying i'm

[1:38:54] Voice 21: asking another option okay okay because the first apc becomes large so what i'm asking is

[1:39:00] Voice 21: this other option is to put a moratorium only on bylaw enforcement on agricultural

[1:39:06] Voice 21: cultural. But I've written a slightly different, just do it

[1:39:11] Voice 21: like that. That's it. Yes, that's not a

[1:39:14] Voice 9: project. Yeah. Okay.

[1:39:15] Voice 21: So that's a

[1:39:16] Voice 9: separate department. So address the uncertainty and

[1:39:20] Voice 10: do it this way. So it's not a project.

[1:39:23] Voice 9: And you received advice

[1:39:24] Voice 9: on this from our regional planning manager, Jamerot via

[1:39:28] Voice 9: email several weeks ago, a couple of months ago on this

[1:39:35] Voice 9: can proceed however they wish with this request that's why the delegation is coming forward to

[1:39:39] Voice 9: say this is what they're asking for it's not asking for an amendment to the land use law

[1:39:45] Voice 9: it's asking for enforcement action correct

[1:39:48] Voice 7: yeah we're deferring enforcement uh trustee scott i

[1:39:52] Voice 7: know you had something and then i had a thought too but go ahead it

[1:40:00] Voice 8: says here under the proposed

[1:40:03] Voice 8: motion take no enforcement

[1:40:06] Voice 15: action with respect to firm-based agriculture tourism what exactly

[1:40:12] Voice 15: is the enforcement patch currently

[1:40:16] Voice 18: yeah

[1:40:16] Voice 15: that you want you

[1:40:18] Voice 18: want stop currently it's strong words

[1:40:22] Voice 18: strong words letters showing up but but we'd be warned it's going to it's

[1:40:29] Voice 7: about the agritourism

[1:40:30] Voice 7: accommodation specifically is that what you're trying to get out i think but it's an ancillary

[1:40:35] Voice 7: use you've got

[1:40:36] Voice 18: you've got 10 but we don't no sorry just to be super clear we don't have 10

[1:40:43] Voice 18: where under the lr we're allowed so

[1:40:47] Voice 15: that's that's a prior understanding i thought he i thought you

[1:40:51] Voice 15: could do the 10 you wanted to do under the present

[1:40:54] Voice 7: we could but they changed that little word in

[1:40:57] Voice 7: there which is now there's a

[1:40:58] Voice 7: preamble there yeah yeah he

[1:41:01] Voice 15: can't do it without the word changing

[1:41:03] Voice 15: if

[1:41:04] Voice 18: you guys wanted to change your bylaw which is a whole that's

[1:41:08] Voice 7: a big problem

[1:41:08] Voice 18: i think all you'd

[1:41:09] Voice 18: have to change is say that as long as it wasn't parked out in the bylaw essentially right so in

[1:41:14] Voice 18: the local area so

[1:41:16] Voice 9: through the chair examples of other local trust areas that have done this

[1:41:20] Voice 9: gabriel for example chose four units not ten uh other ltcs have proactively addressed this

[1:41:27] Voice 9: as soon as those ALC directions came out those local trust committees immediately amended their

[1:41:32] Voice 9: bylaws to allow for that use but they regulated it because they understood that was the power as

[1:41:37] Voice 9: soon as it was released if they could regulate the limit it wasn't a given and if

[1:41:41] Voice 7: it's not addressed

[1:41:43] Voice 7: then it's deemed to be not

[1:41:45] Voice 9: because it's not expressly identified as a permitted use so

[1:41:49] Voice 9: every LTA deals with this differently because agriculture was a hot topic at the time so those

[1:41:55] Voice 9: those areas do have this already embedded in their land use bylaws supporting ocp policies that

[1:42:01] Voice 9: support up to a certain number of uses based on the local context these are unserviced

[1:42:07] Voice 9: i have

[1:42:09] Voice 7: a process question and um feel free to tell me if it's important or not it is um

[1:42:16] Voice 7: is a resolution similar to the one that's proposed is this best um

[1:42:24] Voice 7: like for an enforcement action is it best as a standing resolution is it like process wise how

[1:42:31] Voice 7: would you best characterize something like this um

[1:42:35] Voice 9: i would use the break to connect you to the

[1:42:39] Voice 9: manager of vital enforcement this is not my wheelhouse at all okay

[1:42:42] Voice 7: okay so maybe we'll do

[1:42:43] Voice 7: that um and that might be that might be worth worth doing um let's see what you have to say

[1:42:52] Voice 9: perhaps i can suggest that if trustee allen does have draft wording that he can speak to

[1:42:58] Voice 9: yeah

[1:42:59] Voice 7: i think even given even giving that draft wording it's probably worth

[1:43:03] Voice 7: um talking to manager digman and then and then again the question is so i'm thinking about um

[1:43:12] Voice 7: process uh so far there seems to be some willingness to to you know suspend by law

[1:43:18] Voice 7: enforcement um but uh and maybe mr dingman will be able to give us some information on this but

[1:43:26] Voice 7: whether there's a standing resolution can easily be rescinded right at a meeting um i'm just i'm

[1:43:35] Voice 7: just sort of to give the comfort of what action we may eventually take here on this just whether

[1:43:42] Voice 7: the standing resolution is is the proper spot for this to be um sort of held and we'll do that

[1:43:54] Voice 15: well alex um when we proposed it we send it to do it right now yeah now we have a meeting this

[1:44:04] Voice 15: afternoon after the cim is another we're going to get together again right yeah we get depending on

[1:44:10] Voice 15: response we get back from them then we could pass

[1:44:15] Voice 7: it we can certainly because the regular meeting as

[1:44:19] Voice 7: uh the planner mentioned because the regular meeting resumes after the leader cim then if

[1:44:25] Voice 7: it takes that long to you know to get the information that you feel needs we need to

[1:44:30] Voice 7: support the decision that's fine we can do it then or we might be able to get back to it later

[1:44:35] Voice 7: depending on where we hear from the staff members and

[1:44:39] Voice 9: through the chair because you've had this

[1:44:41] Voice 9: discussion then perhaps the local trust committee could initiate an rwm if today is not the

[1:44:47] Voice 9: appropriate timing because there's less likelihood of discussion if you would have today yeah and

[1:44:53] Voice 9: then the final wording of a resolution is sent to you because you've requested it and it's simply a

[1:44:59] Voice 9: votes are you

[1:45:03] Voice 7: are you part of the delegation no i'm not okay

[1:45:06] Voice 7: then i'm sorry no um

[1:45:08] Voice 18: i would just

[1:45:09] Voice 18: like to put that urgency back in the situation like i understand i really wouldn't like to go

[1:45:14] Voice 18: back to an rwm we're in i

[1:45:16] Voice 7: i understand and i'm just i'm uh based on the questions i'm asking

[1:45:22] Voice 7: i'm just trying to make sure that we do our diligence in such a way that if this committee

[1:45:27] Voice 7: feels like there's an urgent need to rescind that decision that it's done in a way that that it can

[1:45:33] Voice 7: be it can be taken back if it's suddenly this you know we find it's not appropriate right

[1:45:39] Voice 7: reversible what

[1:45:40] Voice 7: is the difference between the standing resolution and well when we're going

[1:45:44] Voice 7: to hash that out and we're not going to hash it out right now but um trustees i think i think at

[1:45:50] Voice 7: At this point, I'd like to call a recess.

[1:45:54] Voice 7: We are almost 15 minutes overdue for a recess.

[1:45:58] Voice 7: So to call us a recess, let's come back at 1.45.

[1:46:05] Voice 7: And if we've heard back from staff on this question,

[1:46:09] Voice 7: we can come back and address it.

[1:46:11] Voice 7: If we haven't, then we'll look at trying to address it later

[1:46:14] Voice 7: in the agenda.

[1:46:15] Voice 18: Also for anybody out

[1:46:16] Voice 18: there who would like to speak

[1:46:17] Voice 18: to me

[1:46:18] Voice 7: personally about this,

[1:46:23] Voice 10: Okay,

[1:46:24] Voice 7: so we're going to recess till 1.45.

[1:46:27] Voice 7: Thank you.

[1:46:28] Voice 7: 1.50, 1.50, I'm hearing.

[1:46:30] Voice 7: 1.50.

[1:46:31] Voice 7: Are

[1:46:31] Voice 9: you staying for the acting?

[1:46:34] I'm hoping not, Tim.

[1:46:35] Thank you.

[1:46:50] Voice 9: Well,

[1:46:51] Voice 4: I mean, it's,

[1:46:53] Voice 9: it's, it's,

[1:46:57] Voice 7: it's a little, I mean, if, if you wanted to address it before

[1:47:01] Voice 7: we heard from the delegate and made a decision, then during the public comment, like if you

[1:47:08] Voice 17: If you felt

[1:47:08] Voice 7: strongly, do

[1:47:09] Voice 17: it, do it, do it, or don't do it, you should have said something in public.

[2:13:15] Voice 17: to call us back

[2:13:16] Voice 7: to order to make sure our administrator is ready for us to continue?

[2:13:23] Voice 5: We're ready to go.

[2:13:24] Voice 7: Okay, thank you. So we're back from recess. Trustee Allen,

[2:13:30] Voice 7: did you have something for us

[2:13:31] Voice 4: to consider? Yes.

[2:13:47] Voice 21: Okay, I'd like to make a motion. I move that the Wormey Island Local Trust Committee direct

[2:13:54] Voice 21: by-law enforcement staff to take no enforcement action with respect to existing and proposed

[2:13:58] Voice 21: proposed farm-based agritourism accommodation uses

[2:14:02] Voice 21: until we complete our large project OCP LED.

[2:14:06] Voice 21: And I was told it's supposed to be a standing resolution,

[2:14:08] Voice 21: so I'm not sure about the wording.

[2:14:11] Voice 21: Mike, are you aware of that?

[2:14:15] Voice 7: Okay, so the motion is to

[2:14:19] Voice 7: for a new standing resolution,

[2:14:22] Voice 7: that I think would be need to be added in there.

[2:14:27] Voice 10: Thank you.

[2:14:30] Voice 7: Okay, and I'll just check with our meeting administrator.

[2:14:34] Voice 7: did you did get that to her yeah

[2:14:36] Voice 4: lisa's got it

[2:14:37] Voice 7: okay uh so that's been moved and uh see if you

[2:14:43] Voice 7: would like the only

[2:14:45] Voice 8: question yes should it say at the end until because you're you know we're

[2:14:52] Voice 8: say the front end of that again alex well

[2:14:56] Voice 21: i do have until we complete at the end of it until

[2:14:59] Voice 21: what until we complete the large project of the cc lud review okay yeah

[2:15:04] Voice 9: okay okay

[2:15:08] Voice 4: Okay, moved and seconded. Any further discussion?

[2:15:14] Voice 7: I'll just, so it's contingent on the completion

[2:15:18] Voice 7: of our large project, the major project,

[2:15:24] Voice 21: because it's considered a large product, if it's going

[2:15:28] Voice 21: to refer to the procedure, we still want to provide security to farmers.

[2:15:35] Voice 11: And then I'll

[2:15:36] Voice 7: just check with um on this so you would you interpret that that has that lasting until

[2:15:45] Voice 7: this phase is complete or

[2:15:47] Voice 17: like with the action the next phases final reading or

[2:15:56] Voice 17: no

[2:15:57] Voice 9: i think that's a project that's fine it's that's quite a long-term time frame it's to

[2:16:04] Voice 9: to survive the election, so.

[2:16:08] Voice 11: Okay,

[2:16:08] Voice 7: and if it's the local trust committee,

[2:16:12] Voice 7: if they decide that it's no longer appropriate,

[2:16:15] Voice 7: they could rescind it,

[2:16:16] Voice 7: and then it would cease to have effect, right?

[2:16:19] Voice 7: Okay, that's, anything else?

[2:16:24] Voice 7: I'll call the question then, all those in favor?

[2:16:27] Voice 7: And that motion carries.

[2:16:37] Voice 7: I probably

[2:16:38] Voice 20: didn't announce it earlier,

[2:16:39] Voice 20: Mayor,

[2:16:39] Voice 7: but we please, in general, refrain from either applause or booing, just for the sake of meaning to Coram and other members of the public who may have a different point of view.

[2:16:57] Voice 7: So moving us along to applications and referrals, we have a staff report on page 33 for the development

[2:17:10] Voice 4: variance permit, I believe, for co-op.

[2:17:14] Voice 4: Are you taking this, Sonia?

[2:17:17] Voice 9: Yes, I will.

[2:17:18] Voice 9: I'm just messaging our administrator that the applicant has requested to join by Zoom.

[2:17:23] Voice 14: Okay.

[2:17:24] Voice 9: Which I wasn't sure was an option.

[2:17:26] Voice 9: So, Lisa, are you able to do that, or trying to join, but I guess they can't, because they don't want the link.

[2:17:35] Voice 9: It's not a regular meeting.

[2:17:37] Voice 16: Partners who connect they can join by zoom I just need to send them the link. I can send it to you, or send

[2:17:43] Voice 9: it to their email if you don't mind doing that well I'll, I'll begin the presentation on the report.

[2:17:49] Voice 16: I'll do that. Thank you.

[2:17:52] Voice 9: Okay, so Planner Cox is away, so in his absence, I'm just presenting the report for you.

[2:17:58] Voice 9: Hopefully, if there's any technical questions, I can support them.

[2:18:00] Voice 9: I'm not very familiar with this application, although you all are.

[2:18:05] Voice 9: It is another Development Variance Permit application for the O'Hare and Barron Co-op.

[2:18:11] Voice 9: The staff recommendation is to issue the Development Variance Permit.

[2:18:16] Voice 9: It's required to facilitate the redevelopment of the co-op.

[2:18:21] Voice 9: this has been a subject of numerous staff reports over the course of this project so this particular

[2:18:28] Voice 9: dvp is specifically to relax the minimum interior side and exterior side lots at that to allow for

[2:18:37] Voice 9: the siting of a servicing area which was not finalized at the time that the other permits

[2:18:42] Voice 9: were presented to the local trust committee ideally these are always comprehensively presented

[2:18:47] Voice 9: to you but this has been a bit staggered just due to the nature of the construction of the site

[2:18:54] Voice 9: so this area includes a water pump and tanks for fire suppression a backup generator and other

[2:19:01] Voice 9: hyper related equipment so the staff report is very comprehensive site plans included

[2:19:07] Voice 9: recommendation is to issue the permit as presented and i'm happy to answer any

[2:19:12] Voice 9: questions that you have if i can okay

[2:19:17] Voice 5: uh trustees

[2:19:19] Voice 7: any questions at this point in lieu of the

[2:19:26] Voice 7: applicant i'll be automated on yet questions on the recommendation or the

[2:19:37] Voice 7: report prepare to

[2:19:42] Voice 15: make the motion okay

[2:20:04] Voice 4: and

[2:20:04] Voice 7: any discussion not seeing i'll just say i've read the report and it seems reasonable enough

[2:20:14] Voice 7: to me um so i'll call the question all those in favor and that motion carries great thank you

[2:20:22] Voice 7: okay and

[2:20:25] Voice 11: next at um 10.2 we have a referral response to the comox valley regional district

[2:20:33] Voice 11: regarding the proposed regional growth strategy minor amendment on page 45.

[2:20:38] Voice 11: let's look to staff anything about this you feel we should yeah this

[2:20:54] Voice 9: is for your information

[2:20:55] Voice 9: referring to 10.2 correct

[2:20:58] Voice 7: the proposed regional growth strategy minor amendment okay trustees

[2:21:04] Voice 7: sees anything from you on this nope

[2:21:08] Voice 11: okay we'll receive this for information then and that brings

[2:21:14] Voice 11: us on to

[2:21:15] Voice 7: uh 10.3 which is the local trust committee referral regarding trust council

[2:21:22] Voice 7: bylaw number 183 the policy statement memorandum starting on page 46 hopefully you've all read and

[2:21:35] Voice 7: understood this and so our next steps are to consider if one of these draft resolutions on

[2:21:46] Voice 7: page 46 is uh representative of the local trust committee at this time i

[2:21:56] Voice 21: just have to say i was

[2:21:57] Voice 21: kind of confused with this one i don't know i don't remember seeing it quite like this

[2:22:02] Voice 21: over the years but um you know so if we pass number one motion there uh and then we haven't

[2:22:11] Voice 21: received comments from our community quite yet february 2nd in terms of policy statement it's

[2:22:16] Voice 21: we still can say it's we're unaffected even though yeah so i just so

[2:22:21] Voice 17: my understanding is

[2:22:22] Voice 17: that since the the

[2:22:29] Voice 11: deadline for the trust committee

[2:22:32] Voice 7: meeting right so our next local

[2:22:36] Voice 7: trust committee is going on to march so um i get that we haven't been able to

[2:22:46] Voice 7: way through the entire public response or however the timing is such that

[2:22:54] Voice 7: the local trust committee wants to send a response to trust

[2:22:59] Voice 17: council now is the time

[2:23:01] Voice 17: so obviously the options

[2:23:09] Voice 7: listed here are uh interest unaffected wish to recommend for

[2:23:14] Voice 7: specific reasons uh recommend proceeding subject to conditions or recommend not proceeding with

[2:23:21] Voice 7: reasons so happy to hear thoughts from

[2:23:25] Voice 4: either of you i'll

[2:23:27] Voice 17: just move the first one because of the

[2:23:37] Voice 17: years you know there have been comments

[2:23:39] Voice 9: but nothing it's very shattering so i will say

[2:23:44] Voice 9: tell me that the horned and local trust committee

[2:23:46] Voice 17: respond to the island trust

[2:23:53] Voice 17: johnson's council that interests are unaffected by bylaw number 183

[2:23:56] Voice 7: and moved you have a secondary second discussion now singing i'll call the question all those in

[2:24:04] Voice 7: favor and that motion is carried okay trust committee projects we have staff reports

[2:24:15] Voice 7: starting on page 89 and i'll turn it over to letters great thank

[2:24:20] Voice 9: you so much so i will

[2:24:24] Voice 9: summarize this report for those members coming to the community information meeting this afternoon

[2:24:30] Voice 9: just in brief um so that they're up to see them whatever it was presented uh the recommendation

[2:24:36] Voice 9: is, is that at the close of your meeting today, that you are able to provide some direction

[2:24:43] Voice 9: to staff to either amend, either file 176, which is to amend your OCP, or 177, to amend

[2:24:50] Voice 9: your Lenin's by-law, with whatever specific amendments you deem necessary to be able to

[2:24:55] Voice 9: proceed to the next step, which would be public hearing, and or you're indicating your preference

[2:25:01] Voice 9: to maintain the by-law as drafted, as presented, and proceed to a public hearing.

[2:25:07] Voice 9: So this particular staff recommendation embeds it as part of your March 20th regular meeting.

[2:25:15] Voice 9: However, what I'd like to reiterate is the options for that either now during this report versus at the CIM today because you do have other options for next steps.

[2:25:28] Voice 9: and that being that to address some of the concerns that were raised earlier today you

[2:25:33] Voice 9: may want to consider an all electronic meeting between now and your march 20th meeting to

[2:25:38] Voice 9: preserve the march 20th meeting as it's time to make a decision post public hearing so

[2:25:43] Voice 9: that the public hearing is a standalone event fully electronic to allow for full participation

[2:25:50] Voice 9: so that it recognizes the concern that this is a typically a time of year where folks

[2:25:56] Voice 9: are maybe not present on the island to participate so that's one of the options to consider

[2:26:03] Voice 9: as well as identifying what if any changes that you want to make to either of those two bylaws so

[2:26:13] Voice 9: that discussion at this part of the agenda I can then summarize to members of the public that are

[2:26:20] Voice 9: coming to your community information meeting this afternoon if there's a sense of you know

[2:26:26] Voice 9: a serious departure from the bylaws as presented that discussion would be important to convey to

[2:26:32] Voice 9: people in attendance this afternoon if you're comfortable with the bylaws as presented and it's

[2:26:37] Voice 9: just a small amendment um or perhaps a very specific amendment in only one area then that's

[2:26:44] Voice 9: also important for us to convey so that the feedback you received today is targeted to help

[2:26:50] Voice 9: help you advance those bylaws to this next step.

[2:26:54] Voice 9: It is late in this process, the legislative review process

[2:26:58] Voice 9: for these bylaws to be advancing

[2:27:00] Voice 9: because it's highly unlikely that they could be adopted

[2:27:03] Voice 9: before the elections.

[2:27:05] Voice 9: Mostly because we have to make a referral

[2:27:08] Voice 9: to the Minister Housing and Municipal Affairs

[2:27:10] Voice 9: and the turnaround time for those approvals

[2:27:13] Voice 9: has not been less than eight months

[2:27:16] Voice 9: in my experience the last few years.

[2:27:20] Voice 9: so time is still of the essence in terms of ensuring that we get to public hearing

[2:27:24] Voice 9: as soon as you're confident that the bylaws reflect the needs of your community so

[2:27:31] Voice 9: moving into some of the technical information that's in your staff report that's just process

[2:27:36] Voice 9: summary um okay you had asked us back in july last summer to provide a summary of some of the

[2:27:48] Voice 9: provincial data that was being collected for the first time in British Columbia for short-term

[2:27:52] Voice 9: rentals. And so we suggested that we, because of the lag time, it's not a

[2:27:58] Voice 9: live system, that we

[2:27:59] Voice 9: needed a bit more time. And unfortunately, the November meeting was cancelled due to the

[2:28:03] Voice 9: strike carrier work. So finally, we're presenting to you information that was available to us as

[2:28:09] Voice 9: of November for the provincial registry that showed 87 operators registered in the system

[2:28:17] Voice 9: and 79 operators active so there's the two distinctions in the provincial system i don't

[2:28:25] Voice 9: have a strong sense of um how that information reflects some of the information that you

[2:28:32] Voice 9: received in the commentary in the public comments today um and if there's any duplication or if

[2:28:38] Voice 9: there's any errors there we haven't investigated that list um we're trusting that the system

[2:28:45] Voice 9: demonstrates the actual number of people that are registered or active at any given time so that's

[2:28:51] Voice 9: information for the local trust committee to consider as well as your community the bylaw

[2:28:56] Voice 9: enforcement officer has noted that in their review last year so by November of last year there was

[2:29:04] Voice 9: about 110 listings on the various platforms that they were monitoring however they also confirmed

[2:29:12] Voice 9: that as of last year, there were no public complaints made regarding the vacations, but

[2:29:18] Voice 9: they did have 12 open files, and most of those were proactively open because of monitoring,

[2:29:26] Voice 9: proactive monitoring and enforcement, so not derived by complaints from adjacent property

[2:29:33] Voice 9: owners or other residents. Are there any questions about that?

[2:29:40] Voice 9: where I want to go

[2:29:41] Voice 21: down can you clarify in more detail what's the difference between

[2:29:45] Voice 21: registered and active so

[2:29:47] Voice 9: my understanding is that the registered users may cease to operate

[2:29:53] Voice 9: they've registered they're on the site but they're not operating they're actually not taking bookings

[2:30:00] Voice 10: at

[2:30:00] Voice 9: the time but they reserved their right to operate and so how how the active ones are

[2:30:08] Voice 21: registered

[2:30:10] Voice 9: yeah it's not a

[2:30:12] Voice 9: duplicate number okay yes

[2:30:15] Voice 15: but it doesn't necessarily mean that they're

[2:30:18] Voice 15: free within the May 1st to

[2:30:21] Voice 9: September correct the province doesn't care

[2:30:24] Voice 9: No.

[2:30:25] Voice 9: That's your local government's restriction.

[2:30:29] Voice 9: Yeah, just so people understand, a

[2:30:32] Voice 15: number of those may not be legal in compliance.

[2:30:36] Voice 9: And that's, I'm not sure how many of those are reflected in the 12 files that are currently open,

[2:30:40] Voice 9: but that could be what some of the open files are, is that it's simply working,

[2:30:45] Voice 9: advertising outside of the land use bylaws restriction, that restricted time period.

[2:30:50] Voice 9: But

[2:30:51] Voice 15: one other thing that we didn't really do is I wonder about the idea of running a Seabreeze launch for that meeting because they have good bandwidth there and maybe we could have a meeting there so it could cover, get it out there.

[2:31:10] Voice 15: I don't know if you were taking a look at that.

[2:31:14] Voice 17: It wouldn't be that much just for one day to use the facility, I don't think.

[2:31:24] Voice 17: At

[2:31:24] Voice 9: that point, the LTC would have to direct staff to investigate the technical capacity

[2:31:28] Voice 9: for a hybrid unit in the location that we wanted to stay at.

[2:31:34] Voice 9: To be honest, I didn't have good balance when I was there.

[2:31:37] Voice 9: I didn't have good balance.

[2:31:39] Voice 9: They actually parked me in a cabin because I didn't have good balance at home.

[2:31:44] Voice 9: I was at home in the lodge?

[2:31:47] Voice 9: No, in the cabin.

[2:31:53] Voice 9: So my concern is, you know, we had active bylaw

[2:31:57] Voice 21: enforcement for years and years, and

[2:32:00] Voice 21: only 12 are open.

[2:32:02] Voice 21: And I know there's a lot and I know there's people in the community who have done their

[2:32:05] Voice 21: own research.

[2:32:08] Voice 21: So I was told that Salisbury Island seems to be taking up most of our bylaws forcements

[2:32:15] Voice 21: in terms of active proactive enforcement regarding patient access seems to be what

[2:32:19] Voice 9: happens is that going to be an ongoing is that going to carry on where we don't have enough

[2:32:25] Voice 9: staff and so salt spring is going to get more proactive enforcement than we will

[2:32:33] Voice 21: or be like

[2:32:35] Voice 21: we have not before because this is not indicative of what's going on and then when i hear with no

[2:32:43] Voice 21: complaints i've got so many people coming after me complaining that won't complain and i go why

[2:32:48] Voice 21: and they say well I can't complain about rural character and they're taking away my neighborhood

[2:32:53] Voice 21: so they have the real and I'm getting that a lot last year so um and yeah I guess you can't

[2:33:00] Voice 21: complain about that it's not part of complaint processes it's uh so I'm just speaking out loud

[2:33:08] Voice 21: here in terms of the public complaint I think there's more than 12 out there that are not

[2:33:13] Voice 21: compliant but they're not being addressed through our enforcement staff so I'm not sure how

[2:33:20] Voice 21: we can't keep on hiring more staff and uh so i just want to be assured that we are going to get

[2:33:26] Voice 21: proactive enforcement this time around i

[2:33:30] Voice 9: don't know how we can get that okay so through the chair

[2:33:34] Voice 9: those 12 files are indicative of proactive enforcement in 2025 that's why they exist

[2:33:41] Voice 9: because predominantly that number 12 is the majority are proactive enforcement so that is

[2:33:46] Voice 9: is actually occurring in your community.

[2:33:50] Voice 9: I've got another number, but okay.

[2:33:56] Voice 7: And then I think in terms of the question

[2:33:58] Voice 7: about allocation of enforcement staff,

[2:34:03] Voice 7: that's, I don't know, that's not on Planner 2.

[2:34:07] Voice 7: Next up would be, I think a discussion

[2:34:10] Voice 7: with Director of Planning

[2:34:15] Voice 7: and Manager of Violent Enforcement.

[2:34:17] Voice 7: And you know, you may want to rope in Executive Committee

[2:34:20] Voice 7: if you have concerns around that.

[2:34:23] Voice 7: we're not going to fix

[2:34:23] Voice 4: that here at this table just

[2:34:30] Voice 9: keep going then um so today's community

[2:34:34] Voice 9: information meeting just to reiterate which we already did earlier in the meeting though is to

[2:34:38] Voice 9: just do a short presentation on the violence as presented at second reading so that second meeting

[2:34:43] Voice 9: is amended um that's staff's intent unless there was any changes that need to be conveyed to the

[2:34:50] Voice 9: the to the members in the audience and to field technical questions process questions I'll be

[2:34:58] Voice 9: available for that the chair will facilitate how that works depending on how many people come

[2:35:04] Voice 9: and then any remaining time is obviously available for the local trust committee to solicit input

[2:35:09] Voice 9: on next steps so if there's any changes I can still make amendments to the presentation slides

[2:35:16] Voice 9: that the local trust committee has other ideas about how they'd like to proceed this afternoon,

[2:35:20] Voice 9: but that was the intent, if that sounds okay with the local trust committee.

[2:35:25] Voice 9: And then the last piece is regarding your business case, which is going to trust council

[2:35:29] Voice 9: in March for approval.

[2:35:31] Voice 9: It's for $5,000 to basically complete as much as possible in that last fiscal.

[2:35:40] Voice 9: go. So the scope of deliverables in your project charter exceed what can be done for that budget

[2:35:50] Voice 9: and in that small amount of time. You

[2:35:53] Voice 15: said as much as possible. So it's not going to

[2:35:57] Voice 15: take to complete it.

[2:36:00] Voice 9: It depends how much political appetite there is to advance decisions. So

[2:36:05] Voice 9: right now we've been spending a lot of time on the vacation rental piece, which is part

[2:36:09] Voice 9: housing and First Nations engagement for over a year and a half so it'd be difficult to fast

[2:36:16] Voice 9: track those important topics perhaps if this still hasn't been resolved. Money sometimes isn't the

[2:36:23] Voice 9: issue it's decision making and community understanding of where these issues are at.

[2:36:29] Voice 9: Comox First Nation has provided a summary of their engagement with our staff to date

[2:36:35] Voice 10: in a

[2:36:36] Voice 9: sense of the direction of changes

[2:36:37] Voice 9: that they wish for you to incorporate

[2:36:39] Voice 9: into the OCP and the land use by-law,

[2:36:40] Voice 9: but we haven't even discussed that yet.

[2:36:43] Voice 9: So that's why we're suggesting

[2:36:45] Voice 9: the Local Trust Committee

[2:36:46] Voice 9: is going to have to significantly refine

[2:36:49] Voice 9: your work plan to ensure that

[2:36:52] Voice 9: at least these by-laws get

[2:36:54] Voice 9: as close to adoption as possible

[2:36:56] Voice 9: prior to the end of this political term.

[2:36:58] Voice 9: The remaining funds,

[2:37:00] Voice 9: if they're approved in March,

[2:37:02] Voice 9: would then be lies to do

[2:37:05] Voice 9: as much work as possible that the new local trust committee deems to be a priority so there's no

[2:37:11] Voice 9: guarantee how that project charter could look because that would be the first order of businesses

[2:37:17] Voice 9: to confirm that the project charter is still valid and that they wish to proceed with it as drafted

[2:37:23] Voice 9: so and then you know everybody understands that also every discrete element of your project

[2:37:29] Voice 9: charter could be teased out as a separate minor project and funded through the minor project

[2:37:35] Voice 9: extreme because this could be the last fiscal where there's major project funding to perform

[2:37:40] Voice 9: the islands so we'll have an update for your march but you'll be there for that so

[2:37:50] Voice 21: grant said so in terms of refining are we supposed to refine further are we okay like uh

[2:37:56] Voice 21: as we're going even if we you know decide to change something or add something within

[2:38:02] Voice 21: that whatever it's still on track yeah you can

[2:38:06] Voice 9: you can uh oh sorry so for these bylaws right now yes

[2:38:12] Voice 9: today your focus is still on this nothing else in that project charter is being discussed because

[2:38:18] Voice 9: you have two proposed bylaws ready for your 100 attention on how you wish to see um and so the

[2:38:27] Voice 9: outstanding issues then are is there anything new that i need to include in the community

[2:38:32] Voice 9: information meeting this afternoon the local trust committee wants staff to present um and

[2:38:40] Voice 9: guarantee they'll be interested in when and what that public hearing might look like so are there

[2:38:46] Voice 9: any discussion pieces around the format and the logistics around hosting a public hearing that

[2:38:52] Voice 9: you wish to consider in the timing because you can use that march 20th meeting date as the day

[2:38:56] Voice 9: for a decision versus also having a public hearing right beforehand so that you have a small

[2:39:02] Voice 9: window of time small being you don't want it to be a large window of time because that creates risk

[2:39:09] Voice 9: that you're going to hear new information which you're not entitled to have after the close of

[2:39:14] Voice 9: the public hearing so

[2:39:14] Voice 9: we want to keep it a short period of time between a public hearing and your

[2:39:18] Voice 9: decision making so there's no contamination of legislative process which would render the bylaws

[2:39:24] Voice 9: in effect so we don't want that risk so you could potentially consider a public hearing

[2:39:33] Voice 9: only march for example okay

[2:39:38] Voice 7: so um my reading of this that is if there's um amendments that at

[2:39:48] Voice 7: this time you want to make to either the osp or the lub bylaws as proposed in writ care we could

[2:39:56] Voice 7: do that or we could wait go through the public uh the committee information meeting and if at

[2:40:06] Voice 7: that time we want to amend do that either way whether there's any amendments or not

[2:40:13] Voice 7: we still need to make a decision about scheduling the public hearing

[2:40:15] Voice 7: at this point not afterwards no we can do that after the community information meeting

[2:40:24] Voice 7: um and so as far as the recommended motion here it's i mean it's

[2:40:35] Voice 9: really to defer your discussion

[2:40:36] Voice 9: it's

[2:40:37] Voice 7: really to defer the decision till later today in the same meeting i'm not actually

[2:40:42] Voice 7: entirely sure we need to make this motion at this moment

[2:40:45] Voice 9: it's it's just a placeholder

[2:40:46] Voice 9: yeah for

[2:40:47] Voice 9: discussion um because that's our recommendation fair enough is

[2:40:51] Voice 9: that no decision

[2:40:52] Voice 9: be made prior to your community so

[2:40:54] Voice 7: if we if we i mean we're happy to entertain discussion on

[2:40:58] Voice 7: any of these points if you want at this point but if if you're not um fired up to have more

[2:41:06] Voice 7: conversation or make a decision at this point we can just defer this until we've had the community

[2:41:10] Voice 7: information meeting come back to this well that's probably she's

[2:41:13] Voice 4: going to be the cap discussion

[2:41:15] Voice 4: yeah and

[2:41:18] Voice 7: so i mean if you're if either you want to propose an amendment to the cap um prior to the

[2:41:29] Voice 7: community information meeting then go ahead and do so like essentially now and if not then let's have

[2:41:36] Voice 7: the community information meeting and if if when we've concluded the community information meeting

[2:41:41] Voice 7: if you just decide you would like to make an amendment at that point we can look at that

[2:41:45] Voice 7: um but if you're not ready to amend now then this is just we're going this is what we're going to

[2:41:52] Voice 7: come back to after the community information right i

[2:41:58] Voice 15: have a i mean i have a rationale

[2:42:00] Voice 15: through my head which i don't necessarily change it could change what i hear to stop

[2:42:09] Voice 15: know what they're doing because i think the same people

[2:42:11] Voice 4: are going to be here last year

[2:42:14] Voice 7: okay well

[2:42:16] Voice 7: what i'm saying is if you if

[2:42:17] Voice 7: you if you're wanting to amend that before the community information

[2:42:22] Voice 7: i think

[2:42:29] Voice 9: it would be helpful for staff as well to know if there's a sentiment of

[2:42:39] Voice 9: of a thread in which direction you might be going

[2:42:41] Voice 9: that members here,

[2:42:43] Voice 9: because they might not be available at four o'clock

[2:42:45] Voice 9: and the staff to know before the presentation

[2:42:47] Voice 9: what direction you

[2:42:48] Voice 9: might be leaning towards

[2:42:49] Voice 9: in terms of amendments.

[2:42:50] Voice 9: It's just a discussion at this point,

[2:42:52] Voice 9: but at

[2:42:52] Voice 9: least it frames the next steps

[2:42:55] Voice 9: and it's not a surprise

[2:42:56] Voice 9: at the end of the community information meeting.

[2:42:59] Voice 9: So I would suggest that if there is an opportunity

[2:43:02] Voice 9: for you to discuss potential changes,

[2:43:05] Voice 9: that that happen now,

[2:43:10] Voice 7: Yeah, so based on that, if you're considering the change, let's discuss it.

[2:43:16] Voice 15: Yeah, the change I'm considering is that we set the cap at 65,

[2:43:23] Voice 10: and that's based on the

[2:43:26] Voice 10: The numbers that we've all

[2:43:30] Voice 15: heard from Ian that had all the numbers from all the Gulf Islands as well as the San Juan Islands.

[2:43:43] Voice 15: But the numbers we've seen from the province shows that the number of 65 would be proportional to the population of the island would be one of the highest pretty much anywhere.

[2:43:59] Voice 15: But we do have, and then that takes into account that we do have a special situation here.

[2:44:08] Voice 15: And what I'll plan to bring up during the meeting, CIM, is what came out of the discussion that was in the Comox newspaper

[2:44:25] Voice 15: newspaper that was brought in the Comox mayor's address short-term rental legislation and

[2:44:32] Voice 15: the effect it would have on their communities I thought that was very informative Comox

[2:44:36] Voice 15: Cumberland Cameroon Cameroon but uh Comox Corby and Cumberland and and so I'll be I'll

[2:44:46] Voice 15: be bringing that up and and you know and there's also the issues I hear from people on the

[2:44:53] Voice 15: island about about how many more people can we handle there's that thing this morning that was

[2:44:58] Voice 15: brought up about changing the culture of warrenby by how many people can we actually handle coming

[2:45:04] Voice 15: here and then there's a question of water sewage areas camp spots somebody mentioned you know we're

[2:45:13] Voice 15: going to lose 40 campsites where are those folks going to go you know i mean that could almost be

[2:45:20] Voice 15: argument the other direction but you know so i mean there's a number of issues about having

[2:45:26] Voice 15: listened to all those hurdles balanced goals like the number was brought up this morning of the

[2:45:32] Voice 15: registered numbers versus how many you know fraction and then there's the vacation part

[2:45:44] Voice 15: the what is it 103 or 110 or something down to 89 and then 87 and then of those how many

[2:45:51] Voice 15: those are actually doing it within the margin of reality which is um then you take the 12 off

[2:45:59] Voice 15: that we know we're under vital enforcement and then you can just consider how many are not

[2:46:06] Voice 15: between the 1st of May and the end of September,

[2:46:14] Voice 15: you know, how many are at,

[2:46:16] Voice 15: so given all of those factors,

[2:46:19] Voice 15: that's how I came up with,

[2:46:20] Voice 15: I thought quite a reasonable number would be 65,

[2:46:23] Voice 15: but we've heard the people on the island will say some,

[2:46:26] Voice 15: I think this is gone now, there should be no cap at all.

[2:46:29] Voice 15: We've heard that argument all the way down to,

[2:46:33] Voice 15: there should be laske has zero denman has zero we with 65 we would be the highest per capita i think

[2:46:45] Voice 15: of all of the gold violence so it's it seems reasonable to come up with 65 which is what

[2:46:56] Voice 15: i'm going to propose now i don't know whether i don't want to make a motion

[2:47:03] Voice 8: on that right now or

[2:47:04] Voice 8: just have it as a discussion no

[2:47:06] Voice 7: i think we just just said that we would decide to make any

[2:47:10] Voice 7: amendments after the community information meeting so we'll do that and if you want to make an

[2:47:16] Voice 7: amendment um we'll do it at that time okay okay anything from you on the cap issue

[2:47:23] Voice 21: no i was just

[2:47:25] Voice 21: looking at you know their temporary experiments in terms of different asks in terms of filling

[2:47:33] Voice 21: filling out that. So they're all kind

[2:47:36] Voice 17: of different. So I guess

[2:47:38] Voice 17: that could be addressed, but it could be addressed on the road

[2:47:45] Voice 17: as well. So tonight, can

[2:47:48] Voice 9: I ask them is temporary permit on

[2:47:50] Voice 9: Gabrielle, the same as the one North kind of really, is

[2:47:53] Voice 21: everybody a little bit different? That's the thing we

[2:47:55] Voice 21: all know once, right?

[2:47:56] Voice 9: Correct. But they are substantial, but

[2:47:59] Voice 21: I'm sure ideally, you can plan for those to be the same.

[2:48:03] Voice 9: Not necessarily standardization isn't isn't necessarily

[2:48:06] Voice 9: reflective of efficiency, either communities need

[2:48:14] Voice 21: yes so we still have time to fine-tune our temporary purposes you know we just call it

[2:48:18] Voice 21: temporary but we haven't you know we have ramifications we've outlined it as they're still

[2:48:24] Voice 21: in this meeting one can just say well i wouldn't mind seeing this added there

[2:48:28] Voice 21: that added or that it should be

[2:48:31] Voice 9: addressed because it's a proposed bylaw now yeah there

[2:48:34] Voice 9: has to be explicit direction to amend the bylaw for explicit direction requesting staff to go

[2:48:40] Voice 9: and prepare draft language to

[2:48:42] Voice 17: resolve this particular issue.

[2:48:44] Voice 17: Show us what the bylaw language

[2:48:49] Voice 9: would look like.

[2:48:50] Voice 9: Some amendments we can.

[2:48:52] Voice 9: I can let you know the resolution should sound like this,

[2:48:55] Voice 9: to

[2:48:56] Voice 17: amend the bylaw to achieve.

[2:49:02] Voice 9: If it's Smithing, then staff's going to have to go away

[2:49:05] Voice 9: and present that back to you

[2:49:06] Voice 9: to show you what that amendment looks like

[2:49:08] Voice 9: and if that captures what it is that you're after.

[2:49:11] Voice 7: So, and just for clarity, Trustee Allen,

[2:49:15] Voice 7: your like i'm just looking at the temporary use permit uh section notice at 1.11 starting at page

[2:49:25] Voice 7: 96 i'm going at page 97. that sort of thing you're thinking about um wanting to amend or add to in

[2:49:34] Voice 7: some way um

[2:49:36] Voice 21: we have to in some way because

[2:49:39] Voice 7: that especially if we're talking about um maybe some

[2:49:44] Voice 15: amendment if

[2:49:45] Voice 7: we're talking about uh scheduling a public hearing we want staff to have

[2:49:53] Voice 7: ideally we want staff to have the final version of these pieces at the end of today so

[2:49:59] Voice 7: so

[2:50:01] Voice 9: the resolutions do need to be very specific directions will win the battle they can't be

[2:50:06] Voice 9: ambiguous there can't be any misinterpretation right so i will help in that regard to the best

[2:50:10] Voice 9: of my ability to make sure that any amendments that you're proposing are doable the direction

[2:50:17] Voice 9: in the resolution is to amend the bylaw in a very specific way so the citations have to be perfect

[2:50:22] Voice 9: like this is not an informal process to amend the bylaw so that's important to know so the

[2:50:28] Voice 9: clarity on your end about what it is you're trying to achieve i have to cross-reference

[2:50:32] Voice 9: the exact section of the bylaw that's being amended and the resolution has to reference

[2:50:36] Voice 9: that perfectly otherwise there's a potential risk of that resolution not standing and

[2:50:42] Voice 9: And the file, even if it went to public hearing, not being able to be considered.

[2:50:49] Voice 9: I

[2:50:49] Voice 7: mean, what I would recommend is if you need to take a minute to look through that on page

[2:50:55] Voice 7: 96 and 97.

[2:50:59] Voice 7: But I would note that the final piece of that section, which is what's cited as 1.11j, reads

[2:51:12] Voice 7: to any other requirements the local trust committee

[2:51:14] Voice 17: may consider appropriate which i would

[2:51:17] Voice 17: assume um would have to

[2:51:24] Voice 7: be if if the trust committee wanted other requirements and considered

[2:51:29] Voice 7: appropriate would have to delineate those in in some formal fashion and by virtue of a motion and

[2:51:35] Voice 7: probably an amendment right to the bylaw that

[2:51:38] Voice 9: particular jay is um sort of a catch-all to advise

[2:51:43] Voice 9: advise your applicants that there may be site-specific nuances that justify the local

[2:51:47] Voice 9: trust committee to create a condition in the permit that really speaks to that particular

[2:51:51] Voice 9: situation. It's

[2:51:54] Voice 9: not meant to be ambiguous, to be a surprise. You don't have to provide us with this

[2:51:59] Voice 9: huge report to justify X, Y, and Z. That's not supposed to be how that clause is used.

[2:52:06] Voice 9: So

[2:52:06] Voice 5: if you have

[2:52:07] Voice 9: a specific request or requirement, it's worth discussion at the local trust committee

[2:52:11] Voice 9: level to determine whether that should be an ask of all applicants um because it's applicable it's

[2:52:19] Voice 9: a community concern it needs to be addressed and your discretionary approval of that permit is

[2:52:24] Voice 9: based on receiving that confirmation of that information otherwise jay is really there to

[2:52:29] Voice 9: help applicants uh and yourselves to know that based on the merits of the submission that's made

[2:52:36] Voice 9: for that particular operator there might be some specific of the permit

[2:52:43] Voice 9: that need to be customized to reflect whatever that situation is and that's um that gives you

[2:52:49] Voice 9: the ability to amend the permit and add something in there that might not be applicable to other

[2:52:55] Voice 9: advocates yeah

[2:52:59] Voice 21: i'm just thinking in terms of um correspondence we've had regarding there are you

[2:53:04] Voice 21: know there are some neighborhoods that don't have issues with water that have water so and septic

[2:53:09] Voice 21: you know whereas you know our denser neighborhoods like sandpiper galleon do have issues like that so

[2:53:17] Voice 21: we're kind of putting this blanket thing on every single one and so that's where i have concerns

[2:53:22] Voice 9: that's where that's particularly what

[2:53:25] Voice 9: i'm looking at right so uh in practicality's sake and this

[2:53:29] Voice 9: might come up in the information meeting this afternoon as well where it's like well what if

[2:53:33] Voice 9: this guideline doesn't really apply to me does that mean I can't get a permit

[2:53:37] Voice 9: like well no that's not necessarily the case if it doesn't apply it doesn't apply because

[2:53:42] Voice 9: you have an equivalency obviously water needs to be provided how it's provided if it's not

[2:53:47] Voice 9: coming out of a groundwater well needs to be clarified at the time of an application

[2:53:52] Voice 9: I'm using cistern or I'm using water from the co-op those those details have to be conveyed

[2:53:58] Voice 9: and that's an equivalency that then the local trust committee might say we're going to use j

[2:54:02] Voice 9: to say this is the level of information we want and this is the condition of the permit now to

[2:54:07] Voice 9: reflect your site specific wants that um you know is still a valid use for the vacation rental and

[2:54:16] Voice 9: it's still supportable but the permits specifies the parameters of those those customizations

[2:54:22] Voice 9: to protect public health to protect the natural environment whatever the case may be

[2:54:27] Voice 9: each guideline may not be applicable to every application so that's why we're trying to draft

[2:54:36] Voice 9: them in general enough terms that they people understand what it is we're trying to address

[2:54:40] Voice 9: health and safety contamination of aquifers or groundwater because of you know septic issues

[2:54:47] Voice 9: so that level of detail still needs to be provided even if they do not match exactly

[2:54:54] Voice 9: exactly the way the contract is drafted and then you have the discretion to decide is this

[2:54:58] Voice 9: supportable based on a level of information that's being presented yeah

[2:55:02] Voice 7: at the time of actually

[2:55:04] Voice 7: considering um permit applications correct right and

[2:55:09] Voice 21: in terms of carrying staff capacity regarding

[2:55:13] Voice 21: processing temporary permits are are we okay with that regarding is there going to be issues with

[2:55:19] Voice 21: staffing capacity at this point you know i'm

[2:55:22] Voice 9: not managing the office but

[2:55:23] Voice 9: because we've been discussing this long enough

[2:55:28] Voice 8: that we're all

[2:55:28] Voice 9: curious yeah okay and so this

[2:55:32] Voice 9: has been discussed before and it's been reported back to you in the staff reports as well but

[2:55:36] Voice 9: you know theoretically this these would need to be batched applications by a certain date

[2:55:40] Voice 9: every year temporary use permits for this specific type of use must be received by this

[2:55:46] Voice 9: date in order to be considered for the the next operating season and that would be

[2:55:52] Voice 9: one way to

[2:55:52] Voice 9: ensure that we can resource the office with sufficient technical expertise to process those

[2:55:58] Voice 9: reports and then the local trust committee literally has one business meeting that is the

[2:56:02] Voice 9: only thing on your agenda perhaps right so we're throwing out all those potential ways to make sure

[2:56:09] Voice 9: that the concern about possible delays or possible administrative hurdles that can't be met

[2:56:15] Voice 9: are sort of parked because it's not the first time local governments get a lot of applications

[2:56:20] Voice 9: all at once you know we can we can do it but it has to be thought out carefully and coordinated

[2:56:28] Voice 9: in a way so the public also understands it's their due diligence to make that application

[2:56:32] Voice 9: and pay those fees by a certain time and that all the information that's requested is actually

[2:56:37] Voice 9: attached so that we're not chasing pieces of information which would delay the whole

[2:56:43] Voice 9: application process in Canada. So the first couple of years might be a little bit tricky

[2:56:49] Voice 9: if that's the case because everyone's getting used to the process but we're no strangers to

[2:56:56] Voice 9: helping people move through the local government application process that's what we do every day.

[2:57:04] Voice 9: And I had comments on the break that

[2:57:06] Voice 21: it's interesting you probably can't provide answers

[2:57:10] Voice 21: to this but in terms of like they made b and b's there's no regulations on b and b's yet

[2:57:16] Voice 21: you know on our islands that's one person just said it's you know it's more washing they stay

[2:57:22] Voice 21: less amount of time with more ferry rides there's more water usage in terms of so it's interesting

[2:57:29] Voice 21: why problems wouldn't look at that a little bit differently especially on

[2:57:34] Voice 21: go file this right because we don't even know how many but

[2:57:38] Voice 7: i mean i mean i get what you're saying

[2:57:44] Voice 7: but the reality is is the province has paramountcy in this case and has said you can have a b&b

[2:57:55] Voice 7: and when it comes to other types of and they have a very specific thing it's so many rooms

[2:58:01] Voice 7: it's you have to provide a breakfast if it fits that box it's a b and b and the local government

[2:58:09] Voice 7: regulations can't say you can't do it um so it's kind of not really germane

[2:58:15] Voice 7: i mean

[2:58:17] Voice 7: unless uh you know the other thing we haven't really delved into but i believe that

[2:58:24] Voice 7: the director of planning has uh some intention to bring the principal residence requirement

[2:58:32] Voice 7: uh consideration of opt-in to local trust committees over the next um creative time

[2:58:39] Voice 7: ideally before the end of march which was the deadline to opt in for a given year

[2:58:44] Voice 7: so the

[2:58:46] Voice 9: other piece to to remember about the breakfast is that your

[2:58:49] Voice 9: your resident is dwelling on site while the operation is in place.

[2:58:53] Voice 9: What hasn't really been up in the last year with the recent draft bylaws,

[2:58:59] Voice 9: is that differentiation of permanent residents on Harney Island operating vacation rentals

[2:59:06] Voice 9: versus non-permanent residents and should they be subject to temporary use permits

[2:59:10] Voice 9: or do they get to continue that operation as an outright permitted residential use,

[2:59:15] Voice 9: but non-permanent residents do have to apply for a temporary use permit so that piece is also

[2:59:20] Voice 9: that was brought up early in the process it sort of got lost in the shuffle or well the province

[2:59:27] Voice 7: changed the rules in the middle of the project on us well

[2:59:30] Voice 9: i think there was political direction at

[2:59:32] Voice 9: the time of everybody was going to

[2:59:33] Voice 9: be subjected to a temporary use permit regardless of whether

[2:59:36] Voice 9: they're permanent residents or not but that is the distinction why bed and breakfast have

[2:59:41] Voice 9: more leniency perhaps because this is a home occupation these are people's homes they're

[2:59:45] Voice 9: of running this limited economic benefit

[2:59:47] Voice 9: out of the principal residence

[2:59:48] Voice 9: versus an investment property

[2:59:51] Voice 9: that's being held to pay for itself

[2:59:53] Voice 9: for the benefit of a number of people or a person.

[3:00:00] Voice 9: I'm

[3:00:00] Voice 21: just curious, does Gabriella have a cap now for vacation rentals?

[3:00:04] Voice 9: For vacation rentals? No.

[3:00:06] Voice 9: I mean, there's only, you know, eight or less than 10 in permits issued

[3:00:12] Voice 9: that have been issued in the last few years.

[3:00:15] Voice 9: And the proactive enforcement seems to be sufficient.

[3:00:23] Voice 21: Yeah, in that principal dwelling, we had a good presentation.

[3:00:27] Voice 21: Yeah, in December, yeah.

[3:00:29] Voice 21: But

[3:00:30] Voice 7: I know that the director of planning is...

[3:00:32] Voice 7: So do you know when?

[3:00:35] Voice 7: Well, I did have some email discussions and I tried to point out that if it's coming to local trust committees for consideration, then they should come before the deadline at the

[3:00:51] Voice 7: end of March, if it's to have any value this year, and otherwise it's going on into next term.

[3:00:57] Voice 7: so um how that's all going to roll out i expect there's going to be information up to trustees

[3:01:04] Voice 7: i don't know if the rector has decided that he's going to request um staff to have it appear on

[3:01:12] Voice 7: all of the local trust committee agendas before the end of march but that i didn't quite get

[3:01:16] Voice 7: resolution on that it just i only bring it up because it ties into the same sort of questions

[3:01:21] Voice 7: around b and b so that's just god i

[3:01:26] Voice 10: just

[3:01:27] Voice 15: want to ask

[3:01:28] Voice 10: where

[3:01:30] Voice 15: the cap number say we do come up to 65

[3:01:35] Voice 15: i suggested earlier uh is that uh in one of the exists 76 77 or is it a separate bylaw

[3:01:46] Voice 15: it stands on its own for

[3:01:49] Voice 9: the chair that was already part of 501 77 as a land use bylaw

[3:01:52] Voice 9: law requirement, you know, the number 67 at that time, at second

[3:01:56] Voice 9: reading, so second reading as amended was to remove that

[3:01:59] Voice 9: number out of 177. So

[3:02:01] Voice 10: it's not separate, but

[3:02:07] Voice 9: it would be a

[3:02:08] Voice 9: draft amendment, it would be an amendment to 177. Under that

[3:02:12] Voice 9: section where you have to be there was explicit wording in a

[3:02:16] Voice 9: previous rendition of the silo. And it was the number that was

[3:02:20] Voice 9: proposed at that time was 67. and the ambiguity associated with that number just to reiterate

[3:02:29] Voice 9: again was it was not clear if that was a number at any given time or if that was the maximum number

[3:02:36] Voice 9: of permits per year so at that point that wasn't fleshed out but i would warn you the same issue

[3:02:41] Voice 9: coming up is that the wording needs to specify or your intent needs to be clear so that we can

[3:02:46] Voice 9: draft the wording to specify what your intention is um and i imagine what it is is that at any

[3:02:53] Voice 9: given time there's a maximum number of permits that are in operation on the island and only if

[3:03:00] Voice 9: one is lapsed or not been reapplied does it create the space for a new applicant to be considered

[3:03:08] Voice 9: that's incorrect assumption please let me know because that'll come up in your

[3:03:13] Voice 9: in

[3:03:14] Voice 21: terms of the house selling it doesn't automatically get is that a given the

[3:03:19] Voice 21: the temporary

[3:03:20] Voice 9: use permit is issued to the the owner and the owner so that doesn't it doesn't

[3:03:26] Voice 7: go with the property title no

[3:03:29] Voice 9: yeah

[3:03:30] Voice 7: um so that's in 177 instead of the cap right it

[3:03:36] Voice 9: would be if

[3:03:37] Voice 9: the cap

[3:03:38] Voice 9: was reinstated okay

[3:03:40] Voice 7: can you i'm just kind of looking to see where do you remember

[3:03:45] Voice 9: where

[3:03:45] Voice 4: we had it

[3:03:45] Voice 9: before we removed the wording out of the um clause uh just

[3:04:07] Voice 7: in case there's

[3:04:08] Voice 7: a proposed amendment so we can insert it in the right spot for the right language

[3:04:16] Voice 9: it was still part 10 so under 1.11 it was the introductory like these are re-numbered now but

[3:04:32] Voice 9: it was the first clause so it would be

[3:04:35] Voice 9: 1

[3:04:36] Voice 7: .11a and then so if it was brought back there then we

[3:04:43] Voice 7: want to be

[3:04:44] Voice 9: a new clause under this section correct so

[3:04:47] Voice 15: it would be like 1.1

[3:04:50] Voice 9: i can do i can sort that out for you we

[3:04:54] Voice 7: don't need to worry about giving you the

[3:04:56] Voice 7: or the

[3:04:57] Voice 7: reordering you

[3:04:58] Voice 9: will the resolution will but i don't i don't want to do that right now

[3:05:01] Voice 9: okay

[3:05:02] Voice 7: i was just trying to prepare that's

[3:05:05] Voice 9: why it's nice for me to know that yes that's right

[3:05:07] Voice 9: but that might be coming so if

[3:05:09] Voice 7: it's coming it's going to come under 1.11 and then

[3:05:12] Voice 7: we need to figure out the ordering of that

[3:05:15] Voice 9: that's where the previous cap was tested so i will bring

[3:05:20] Voice 9: up that language and make sure i can support you if that's the direction that you wish to go okay

[3:05:28] Voice 4: um all right anything else anything else should we move along then okay

[3:05:40] Voice 7: in new business we have

[3:05:45] Voice 7: letter support for high seat coming from trustee allen for discussion take it away sir oh i wasn't

[3:05:54] Voice 21: i think it was a given i wanted to do this are there i have other new businesses

[3:06:00] Voice 11: and we are that's what's coming

[3:06:02] Voice 11: up sorry 98.

[3:06:07] Voice 10: yeah there's nobody here

[3:06:11] Voice 12: okay well

[3:06:19] Voice 10: nobody's here from it's not on page 98 what pages

[3:06:21] Voice 5: i've got it on page 98. okay

[3:06:24] Voice 5: Okay.

[3:06:27] Voice 11: It's after the land is by us.

[3:06:37] Voice 11: Okay.

[3:06:37] Voice 11: So that's it.

[3:06:39] Voice 11: Okay.

[3:06:45] Voice 21: Yeah.

[3:06:46] Voice 21: So essentially this was brought before the committee by letter, I think.

[3:06:50] Voice 21: It's basically just asking us for a letter of support regarding the Crown land behind

[3:06:56] Voice 21: the hall.

[3:06:58] Voice 21: And I see people applying for a affordable housing complex and they need a letter of

[3:07:07] Voice 21: support.

[3:07:07] Voice 21: so I basically just rewrote it slightly just because it didn't quite change the trust so

[3:07:16] Voice 21: it's basically saying send it and the committee approves draft that's

[3:07:30] Voice 21: what I mean it's an rwm so

[3:07:31] Voice 21: I don't understand why it's here I think it's rwm which

[3:07:33] Voice 7: did not it did not happen as an

[3:07:36] Voice 7: agenda

[3:07:36] Voice 9: okay so

[3:07:39] Voice 10: I can just

[3:07:40] Voice 9: move and then all right yeah I can move and just I move if they

[3:07:42] Voice 9: the trust committee write a letter of support include this letter of support

[3:07:48] Voice 21: write the letter

[3:07:49] Voice 21: we've written it well just write a letter of support to the high seas application for ground

[3:07:54] Voice 21: on ground 10 acres on central road behind the old fire hall for the purpose of providing affordable

[3:07:59] Voice 21: affordable community housing.

[3:08:03] Voice 21: Moved.

[3:08:05] Voice 9: Sorry.

[3:08:10] Voice 21: Hector.

[3:08:19] Okay,

[3:08:21] Voice 4: do you have a question for your second? Yeah, right.

[3:08:23] Voice 10: Well,

[3:08:28] Voice 15: hey, there's

[3:08:32] Voice 15: Central Road actors, I'd say 10 actors, 10 actors, a translator

[3:08:38] Voice 15: But anyway, if it said subject to Comox First Nation approval, I'd be much more likely to

[3:08:49] Voice 15: go along with it because they're still looking for land under their treaty negotiations.

[3:08:58] Voice 15: So if it said subject to their approval, Alex, I think it has to go there anyway, but I think

[3:09:04] Voice 15: just for

[3:09:05] Voice 21: our own...

[3:09:06] Voice 21: No, I agree with you.

[3:09:07] Voice 21: I just thought that we've already been through that.

[3:09:08] Voice 21: when we were looking at Crownland,

[3:09:10] Voice 21: this particular parcel.

[3:09:12] Voice 21: This is a specific piece.

[3:09:14] Voice 21: Can I ask the staff,

[3:09:16] Voice 21: do we not get approval already from,

[3:09:18] Voice 21: we're not approval, but they've

[3:09:20] Voice 21: basically looked at it, they haven't? No.

[3:09:22] Voice 21: Okay. So then, yes, I agree.

[3:09:24] Voice 21: Let's add that.

[3:09:28] Voice 7: Do you want me to make,

[3:09:29] Voice 21: do

[3:09:30] Voice 15: you want to make the amendment?

[3:09:31] Voice 15: It

[3:09:31] Voice 7: hasn't been seconded yet, so you don't have to amend it.

[3:09:34] Voice 7: You can just make sure that you read it out the way you want

[3:09:36] Voice 7: and make sure

[3:09:38] Voice 7: that the reporter has it.

[3:09:44] Voice 21: I want to see you write a letter of support.

[3:09:52] Voice 21: Well, I've already written this letter, so I'm not going to do it.

[3:09:55] Voice 21: Submit this letter of support, including on approval from Comox First Nations.

[3:10:07] Voice 21: Okay,

[3:10:07] Voice 7: and I'm just going to, just before you change to submit,

[3:10:16] Voice 7: because uh we're going to be requesting staff to do some work if this motion carries and staff may

[3:10:25] Voice 7: i'm just going to put it in myself yeah well what does it say about the rest of the text oh

[3:10:30] Voice 7: okay that hasn't been staff vetted that's why i'm cautioning against saying submit and saying right

[3:10:38] Voice 7: and but you've got

[3:10:38] Voice 21: i thought it was already excuse me

[3:10:40] Voice 7: as far as i know it

[3:10:41] Voice 7: has we haven't

[3:10:42] Voice 7: had staff betting of the letter the proposed text so i wouldn't put submit in at this point

[3:10:49] Voice 7: because if staff goes to vet it and then goes hey then it has to come back to us

[3:10:55] Voice 8: no but if we're

[3:10:55] Voice 8: only we're just writing a letter of support i see you say we support i'm hearing

[3:11:01] Voice 7: on the side

[3:11:03] Voice 7: of caution is all and i've got other things to say that but i'm not going to bring that up until

[3:11:06] Voice 7: we get to uh uh so basically

[3:11:08] Voice 21: should we just direct staff to write a letter of support including this

[3:11:15] Voice 21: you know yeah

[3:11:16] Voice 6: i still say you have to look at

[3:11:17] Voice 21: this letter right you haven't booted it so

[3:11:19] Voice 21: is that can i ask some stuff what would you like yes

[3:11:22] Voice 9: i'm going to be on the local trust committee

[3:11:23] Voice 9: request staff to write a letter of support exactly the way you've written it

[3:11:27] Voice 4: application and

[3:11:29] Voice 9: uh for

[3:11:30] Voice 9: housing i'm going to be out on column up um conditional on support from the complex

[3:11:35] Voice 9: excellent

[3:11:36] Voice 7: so it would be the text that you have here comma conditional on support from

[3:11:42] Voice 7: come ups first nation i'll just check with our administrator make sure you've got that

[3:11:47] Voice 12: direct staff oh

[3:11:50] Voice 7: yeah that would be direct staff to write a letter yeah i

[3:11:54] Voice 16: have that chair peterson

[3:11:55] Voice 7: okay so are you wanting to second that motion at this time well

[3:12:04] Voice 8: we have the reason i'm sort of

[3:12:07] Voice 8: tripping over is excuse me we have written letters of support to a number of different

[3:12:13] Voice 15: organizations supporting what they're doing without getting staff involved because you know

[3:12:20] Voice 15: i mean it just seems like the more we load this kind of it's not a big deal but it's still a

[3:12:26] Voice 15: letter somebody's got to think about it somebody's got to then it goes from from us station they're

[3:12:33] Voice 15: going to refer they come up homework's back to let i see you or that i'm

[3:12:38] Voice 15: just i'm just

[3:12:38] Voice 7: going to say

[3:12:39] Voice 7: whether unless you want to personally write a letter of support if you want a letter coming

[3:12:44] Voice 7: from the local trust committee you're not going to circumvent whatever level of staff time that takes

[3:12:52] Voice 7: if the local if it's coming from the local trust committee it's going to go through staff

[3:12:58] Voice 7: period okay unless you want to just do it you know as an individual but if it's coming from

[3:13:02] Voice 7: the local trust committee you can't circumvent it i see david

[3:13:08] Voice 7: martyrs popped up on the screen

[3:13:09] Voice 7: have you got some advice for us sir all

[3:13:14] Voice 1: right so i'm just going to have to join audio all this

[3:13:17] Voice 1: uh i got a issue here can you give me a couple minutes yeah

[3:13:20] Voice 7: no problem um were you uh trying to

[3:13:24] Voice 7: to comment on our discussion here?

[3:13:27] Voice 1: No, I was just joining the meeting for the public bylaw.

[3:13:33] Voice 7: Okay, great, fair enough.

[3:13:35] Voice 7: Back to you.

[3:13:36] Voice 9: Sorry, just to quickly clarify,

[3:13:37] Voice 9: I'm sending this to Comox.

[3:13:39] Voice 9: No referring this letter to Comox presentation.

[3:13:43] Voice 9: Absolutely not.

[3:13:44] Voice 9: This is just a letter of support for HiSeek.

[3:13:47] Voice 9: It's just stating that the letter itself

[3:13:50] Voice 9: would indicate support for this

[3:13:52] Voice 9: Yes, because it's concurrent with Commonwealth First Nations support, perhaps.

[3:13:58] Voice 9: So we would not be referring anything to the nation about those supports.

[3:14:05] Voice 7: Okay, that makes sense.

[3:14:06] Voice 7: Sure.

[3:14:08] Voice 7: So we have a motion moved, seconded by Trustee Scott.

[3:14:18] Voice 7: Discussion?

[3:14:20] Voice 7: Any further discussion?

[3:14:21] Voice 7: I will just mention a couple of things because I did reach out to some staff at the Victoria

[3:14:31] Voice 7: office and we did get a letter back saying, this is not that we can't go ahead and do

[3:14:41] Voice 7: this, but that it's both the senior staff of the Ministry of Housing and Ministry of

[3:14:48] Voice 7: land water resource stewardship which is responsible for the crown land confirmed that a

[3:14:54] Voice 7: a non-profit organization is not eligible to apply for the crown land grant crown grant

[3:15:01] Voice 7: and is eligible to apply for a nominal rent tenure

[3:15:06] Voice 5: so

[3:15:08] Voice 17: what was that

[3:15:09] Voice 5: nominal what nominal rent tenure

[3:15:12] Voice 5: anyway rent tenures for housing particularly on

[3:15:22] Voice 7: housing run exclusively by local non-profit

[3:15:24] Voice 7: because the permanent nature of the improvements required and the increased liability accrues

[3:15:29] Voice 7: the province if the local or person nation finds it un self unable to manage the project so

[3:15:38] Voice 7: uh the advice was that uh they didn't recommend that we write a letter however we can ignore the

[3:15:50] Voice 7: advice and so um and this is the point i was making about the writing of the letter if the

[3:15:57] Voice 7: The LTC wishes to proceed with the letter staff or have to provide review to ensure that it's actually factually accurate and recommend that the LTC continue to explore other ways to support high seeks work.

[3:16:12] Voice 7: and one of those ways uh when we had the um meeting with the regional district

[3:16:22] Voice 7: um in the fall there which unfortunately i didn't use for people to attend they did mention that

[3:16:28] Voice 7: they are um looking at bringing in a housing authority for the regional district that could

[3:16:34] Voice 7: be supportive uh like the support of government to uh work with an organization like high seek

[3:16:41] Voice 7: on crown grant so that's just background information

[3:16:45] Voice 7: none of that is to say

[3:16:47] Voice 7: don't write don't pass this resolution i'm not saying that at all i'm just trying to provide it

[3:16:56] Voice 7: about the effect of this letter that's all so

[3:17:01] Voice 21: if a housing board our housing group is non-profit

[3:17:05] Voice 21: they could write a letter they could start the whole process completely different what i don't

[3:17:12] Voice 21: understand is i think it's not profit so why are they going this far without why haven't we told

[3:17:18] Voice 21: them about this before like

[3:17:21] Voice 9: why are they why are we here on this letter when we can't i

[3:17:25] Voice 7: think that

[3:17:25] Voice 7: you would maybe want to talk yeah um i'm happy to you know uh re-forward this letter that did

[3:17:34] Voice 7: come to all of us if you want to review it

[3:17:37] Voice 7: if you want to review it and um say this is what we're

[3:17:41] Voice 7: we're going to write the letter it sounds like i mean i don't think there's no harm in writing

[3:17:45] Voice 7: the letter but if we want to share this information with them then

[3:17:50] Voice 7: can

[3:17:52] Voice 21: i read can i um the

[3:17:54] Voice 7: emotions the motion's been moved and seconded uh you can move to

[3:18:01] Voice 7: table it let me think now either either to a specific date or indefinitely

[3:18:08] Voice 7: but i mean i i do still think that there's no there's no particular harm in writing a letter

[3:18:14] Voice 7: if

[3:18:14] Voice 21: we're writing a letter to a group that can't but if

[3:18:16] Voice 7: they care if if our staff is advising us

[3:18:20] Voice 7: that this group cannot get the tenure they wish on their own and we've already been advised by

[3:18:27] Voice 7: staff that we i was trust can't get the tenure if the regional district possibly can and if they

[3:18:33] Voice 7: get their housing authority up and running then that's probably the most likely avenue for high

[3:18:39] Voice 7: seat to get tenure on that property through the regional district or

[3:18:43] Voice 21: the housing society that we

[3:18:44] Voice 21: already have not even have high seat or whatever

[3:18:47] Voice 10: you know we can't get 10 we're not right yeah

[3:18:55] Voice 7: yeah they don't issue yeah the province doesn't issue nominal rent tenure for housing

[3:19:01] Voice 7: thing particularly housing run exclusively by non-profits which kind of seems like a pain and

[3:19:08] Voice 7: why but they've configured they've got liability issues somewhere down the line so

[3:19:13] Voice 7: um all right well then so if you want we can we can either table the motion or we can vote it down

[3:19:20] Voice 7: i'd

[3:19:20] Voice 9: like to vote it down

[3:19:21] Voice 7: well you know what we do is we call the question all those in favor

[3:19:29] Voice 7: of the motion to send the letter raise your hand and say aye uh and all those opposed

[3:19:37] Voice 7: and the motion fails okay we're done with that my

[3:19:41] Voice 10: second motion was there to be able to commit

[3:19:49] Voice 15: i'm just gonna re

[3:19:53] Voice 11: i'm just gonna re-forward that to both of you so that you can share that with

[3:19:59] Voice 11: them um that that was the advice that we've got from staff and that um it's not that i think the

[3:20:06] Voice 7: point is not that there's not support from this committee it's i

[3:20:09] Voice 10: think if we we've been advised

[3:20:19] Voice 7: okay let's move on to 13.2 which is attention apc checks over to you trustee okay

[3:20:27] Voice 10: well this is sort

[3:20:28] Voice 10: of uh this

[3:20:32] Voice 11: is not this is a new item that alex brought up well it was

[3:20:50] Voice 9: more i was worried having

[3:20:53] Voice 21: to address the emotion that i was going to do the review of the apc to do the review on the alr farm

[3:21:04] Voice 21: which is no longer happening um but i do think uh i think that there's two people are coming

[3:21:12] Voice 21: me up I have a motion from 2024 018 it says everybody's term is ending yes so June 14th

[3:21:25] Voice 21: 2026 our APC everybody's appointment and I know we can renew anytime we want so I thought

[3:21:33] Voice 21: given that some continuity before the election that we could just extend current APC committee

[3:21:42] Voice 21: until end of october 2026 just in case and just to have them sitting

[3:21:49] Voice 9: there as opposed to trying to

[3:21:52] Voice 9: put

[3:21:52] Voice 10: a big add

[3:21:54] Voice 9: -out to some members at this particular time depending

[3:21:58] Voice 8: on what's going on

[3:21:59] Voice 8: i

[3:21:59] Voice 7: have a recommendation which is that you uh request staff to put the consideration of this

[3:22:06] Voice 7: on the march 20 agenda right now and staff would you like a motion to direct that

[3:22:16] Voice 7: So I move that the question of APC, extending APC appointments come to the March 20, 2026

[3:22:31] Voice 7: regular meeting for discussion.

[3:22:37] Voice 4: I look

[3:22:39] Voice 7: for a second there.

[3:22:41] Voice 7: I can add any discussion.

[3:22:43] Voice 7: Call the question all those in favor.

[3:22:45] Voice 7: Okay.

[3:22:47] Voice 7: So yeah, we can delve into it.

[3:22:49] Voice 7: Still gives us time.

[3:22:50] Voice 7: um we have annual meeting schedule starting on page 100 very straightforward unless there's

[3:23:01] Voice 7: questions yes i have

[3:23:03] Voice 9: a real problem with tuesday september 1st that's like tuesday september 1st

[3:23:09] Voice 9: it's a long weekend okay

[3:23:15] Voice 21: we're still we're still in summer mode then um i'm not gonna be able to attend

[3:23:22] Voice 21: And I'm just wondering whether the 25th and the 25th would be an

[3:23:28] Voice 7: option.

[3:23:29] Voice 7: Okay, I see our meeting administrator has a hand up.

[3:23:32] Voice 7: So let's hear from, go ahead.

[3:23:41] Voice 7: You are muted.

[3:23:43] Voice 16: I know.

[3:23:44] Voice 16: Thank you, Chair Peterson.

[3:23:47] Voice 16: I'm just going to look at the calendar quickly.

[3:23:51] Voice 16: I understand that that is the complicated date.

[3:23:57] Voice 16: And let me just get to September. So with the Trust Council is on September 9th. And then UBCM follows Trust Council. And then following that, the right following that the campaign period starts.

[3:24:19] Voice 16: arts. And it has been advised by senior staff that it's not ideal to schedule any meetings during

[3:24:25] Voice 16: the campaign period unless there's special meetings. So that would be from the 19th of

[3:24:30] Voice 16: September forward. And then, of course, there is no meeting scheduled from mid-October following

[3:24:36] Voice 16: the elections until the trustees are sworn in early November. So this brought a multitude of

[3:24:44] Voice 16: of almost every local trust committee having a meeting

[3:24:47] Voice 16: at the end of August and the first week of September

[3:24:50] Voice 16: so that they're not going months and months and months

[3:24:53] Voice 16: without a meeting.

[3:24:55] Voice 16: So it's very challenging to reschedule that.

[3:25:02] Voice 16: And like I said, you can schedule a meeting

[3:25:04] Voice 16: following the campaign period commencement,

[3:25:08] Voice 16: but ideally it's a special meeting

[3:25:10] Voice 16: to address specific issues.

[3:25:12] Voice 16: is

[3:25:14] Voice 7: okay so what i'm hearing is if we want to have a regular meeting it should be before the 19th of

[3:25:19] Voice 7: september is that correct that's

[3:25:21] Voice 16: correct and before and right before the 19th of september

[3:25:23] Voice 16: all week is ubcm and chairs might not be available and the week prior to that is trust council

[3:25:32] Voice 7: gotcha so can i ask a question yeah so then the advice is uh it's then

[3:25:37] Voice 7: and september 7th is a holiday it looks like yes

[3:25:50] Voice 7: yeah so the

[3:25:51] Voice 7: other option is in august

[3:25:53] Voice 4: the seventh is the labor day weekend yeah yeah

[3:25:56] Voice 4: yeah it's not the

[3:25:57] Voice 7: first oh okay so the seventh

[3:25:59] Voice 7: is the labor day but still um well the first is

[3:26:05] Voice 7: not

[3:26:06] Voice 10: great but it's

[3:26:07] Voice 7: not no it's not

[3:26:08] Voice 10: great but all

[3:26:08] Voice 10: right i'll

[3:26:09] Voice 9: just steal it leave it leave it out of course okay

[3:26:11] Voice 4: um is that the it's something you

[3:26:15] Voice 4: obviously have with your staff right

[3:26:17] Voice 15: it's me too okay

[3:26:20] Voice 7: yeah i'm not a hundred percent sure but that

[3:26:26] Voice 7: might be it might be some ex travel expenses associated for me to come on it too well there'll

[3:26:33] Voice 7: be at least one night no matter what it might be could be as much as three nights but that's not

[3:26:40] Voice 7: the end of the world um what

[3:26:44] Voice 10: do you mean three years

[3:26:45] Voice 7: because we only have a wednesday ferry

[3:26:49] Voice 7: generally in july and august now if the long weekend if labor day is the seventh they we

[3:26:56] Voice 7: We might have a Wednesday ferry on the 3rd, but I can't guarantee that.

[3:27:03] Voice 15: Can we do a water taxi?

[3:27:05] Voice 15: Can anybody do a water taxi?

[3:27:10] Voice 7: You sometimes can get a water taxi, but there's no

[3:27:15] Voice 7: reliable, like, there's nobody who does a shingle out saying...

[3:27:19] Voice 10: If there's one, we have water taxis in our area.

[3:27:21] Voice 7: Right, okay.

[3:27:22] Voice 7: Well, anyway, I don't want to hold this up any longer than necessary.

[3:27:26] Voice 7: So if it has to be some other weird way, that's fine.

[3:27:31] Voice 7: So there is a recommendation at the top of page 100.

[3:27:39] Voice 9: I move that more local trust committee approve their April 2026 to March 2027 meeting schedule.

[3:27:45] Voice 7: Moved.

[3:27:46] Voice 7: Seconded.

[3:27:46] Voice 7: Any further discussion?

[3:27:48] Voice 7: All the questions, all those in favor?

[3:27:50] Voice 7: That carries.

[3:27:52] Voice 7: All right.

[3:27:54] Voice 7: Public notification by law.

[3:27:55] Voice 7: Request for decision page 106.

[3:28:01] Voice 7: I think this is what David Barler was coming on to speak about.

[3:28:07] Voice 7: Yes, because it's from him.

[3:28:09] Voice 7: Go ahead, David.

[3:28:11] Voice 1: That is correct.

[3:28:14] Voice 1: Yeah, thank you.

[3:28:16] Voice 1: Yeah, so this is actually based on the model bylaw that went to Trust Council.

[3:28:24] Voice 1: So a couple of years ago, the province changed the legislation requiring notification,

[3:28:34] Voice 1: So up until a couple of years ago you had to follow the statutory notice outlined in

[3:28:42] Voice 1: the legislation, that is in two editions of a newspaper as an example.

[3:28:48] Voice 1: The legislation now has been amended to allow local governments to adopt an alternative

[3:28:55] Voice 1: public notice requirement and a regulation attached to that legislation outlines the

[3:29:04] Voice 1: things that the local government must consider and that's in the report for you but generally

[3:29:11] Voice 1: that the method is reliable it's suitable and it's accessible for that particular local government's

[3:29:19] Voice 1: area. So in this case, the Hornby Island Local Trust area.

[3:29:24] Voice 1: So council's model has

[3:29:27] Voice 1: a recommendation that local trust committees

[3:29:32] Voice 1: adopt a bylaw that uses

[3:29:35] Voice 1: the Islands Trust website and social media as

[3:29:39] Voice 1: the two methods that you will require

[3:29:43] Voice 1: to be used when advertising

[3:29:47] Voice 1: for statutory notices.

[3:29:50] Voice 1: Now, it doesn't stop you from going further

[3:29:53] Voice 1: and also advertising in some other method.

[3:29:57] Voice 1: It just provides...

[3:30:00] Voice 1: that minimum requirement. So you, of course, can consider what works for Hornby and you could

[3:30:10] Voice 1: pick an alternative to that if you would like. But the bylaw needs to outline specifically what

[3:30:17] Voice 1: those two requirements are. Under the legislation, only one of those requirements has to be met in

[3:30:26] Voice 1: response to the timing issues. So, for example, for a public hearing, you have to advertise

[3:30:32] Voice 1: currently in a newspaper that circulates at least weekly in the Hornby area, and it has

[3:30:40] Voice 1: to be in two consecutive publications. And the last one cannot be any closer to the meeting

[3:30:47] Voice 1: date than three days and no further away from it than 10 days. And, you know, so that's

[3:30:55] Voice 1: that's the current rule. If you adopt a bylaw that says you'll post it on the website and social

[3:31:01] Voice 1: media, then only one of those has to actually meet that requirement that people can access it

[3:31:08] Voice 1: within between that 10 days and that three days. The other one just has to be published in advance

[3:31:14] Voice 1: of the meeting. But it simplifies it from the point of view of staff having to

[3:31:25] Voice 1: publish for your public hearings, as an example. Anyway, so the recommendation

[3:31:31] Voice 1: here is that there's actually five recommendations. First one is that the

[3:31:39] Voice 1: Hornby Trust Committee is considered at bylaw 180. The methods in there are reliable,

[3:31:44] Voice 1: suitable, and accessible. And then there's three to do with three consecutive

[3:31:48] Voice 1: readings, and then forwarding it to the Islands Trust Executive Committee for

[3:31:54] Voice 1: consideration of approval because this is an administrative bylaw there is no requirement

[3:31:59] Voice 1: for a public hearing or public consultation it's entirely up to the point b local trust committee

[3:32:06] Voice 1: on whether or not he would like to proceed with the bylaw thank you thank

[3:32:12] Voice 7: you uh trustee scott

[3:32:14] Voice 7: you had a question yeah

[3:32:15] Voice 15: david another uh you've presented this to other cc's obviously right

[3:32:23] Voice 20: Yeah,

[3:32:26] Voice 1: this has been sent to all of the local trust committees, and they are considering

[3:32:33] Voice 1: adoption. Some already have. At least one, I think, did make a change. I think it was

[3:32:39] Voice 1: the Liskete local trust area to accommodate the fact that electronic communication is

[3:32:46] Voice 1: is not something that is really suitable

[3:32:48] Voice 1: for that particular island.

[3:32:50] Voice 1: So, you know, each local trust committee

[3:32:52] Voice 1: is considering that reliability,

[3:32:55] Voice 1: accessibility and suitability.

[3:32:57] Voice 1: Thanks.

[3:32:57] Voice 1: I think it's okay.

[3:32:58] Voice 14: I think it's okay.

[3:33:03] Voice 14: Well, let's go to Alex for a moment.

[3:33:06] Voice 21: Yeah, and I think what we have is fine.

[3:33:08] Voice 21: We've got social media.

[3:33:09] Voice 21: We have two weekly,

[3:33:11] Voice 21: we have, it's the Hormey Denman grapevine,

[3:33:14] Voice 21: which comes out weekly, goes to both islands.

[3:33:16] Voice 21: and then there's that's again based and then we also have the tribune that comes out weekly on

[3:33:23] Voice 21: hornby and there's even a monthly paper but the two weeklies can accommodate that and then our

[3:33:32] Voice 21: social media and also we uh we post a poster outside the gas park okay

[3:33:38] Voice 7: so you're talking

[3:33:39] Voice 7: about your what you're currently using for a public notification bylaw so you're talking about

[3:33:47] Voice 7: just not changing the existing one that did you have a question no

[3:33:58] Voice 10: i mean david

[3:33:59] Voice 15: the other

[3:34:00] Voice 15: other nations or other first nations other uh ltcs have adopted this tim what's your take on it

[3:34:08] Voice 15: but i'm ready to move this thing well i don't

[3:34:11] Voice 15: see any reason why not so

[3:34:12] Voice 7: i'll just speak to

[3:34:13] Voice 7: the consideration for uh mesquite was that because um none of it uses the internet um

[3:34:21] Voice 7: um and the the draft bylaw in front of us specifies two internet-based sources what we

[3:34:30] Voice 7: did is we amended um our version of it by saying um by changing one of them to a local print

[3:34:39] Voice 7: newspaper so

[3:34:41] Voice 15: that doesn't that doesn't really agree with what alex said we don't well what

[3:34:45] Voice 7: alex said is that the existing bylaw for hornby already reaches those other sources and he doesn't

[3:34:56] Voice 7: is he any need to adopt this new bylaw to change that but

[3:35:00] Voice 21: wait i do need to add our two weekly

[3:35:02] Voice 21: newspapers to this well

[3:35:04] Voice 7: emphasis on social media let's just check in with the director so hornby

[3:35:09] Voice 7: currently has a um public notification bylaw on the box right uh

[3:35:15] Voice 1: no no hornby

[3:35:17] Voice 1: you are following the default in the legislation

[3:35:23] Voice 1: now

[3:35:24] Voice 5: the default

[3:35:25] Voice 1: the one thing I would like to say about the default is it does

[3:35:31] Voice 1: require in two editions and

[3:35:35] Voice 1: you know so it's more restrictive if you were to

[3:35:39] Voice 1: adopt an alternative that said in a print

[3:35:43] Voice 1: newspaper that publishes weekly on the

[3:35:47] Voice 1: the island or something like that as one of them and then the other one could be social media or

[3:35:53] Voice 1: the website then we can still you'd still be required to publish in the local paper and on

[3:36:01] Voice 1: the website but it actually makes it more flexible than the current default legislation uh establishes

[3:36:10] Voice 1: Okay,

[3:36:13] Voice 7: so I think what I heard you say, Trustee Allen, is that you'd like to consider amending this proposed bylaw, and would that be by change?

[3:36:29] Voice 7: So maybe I'll just ask a question of clarity to the Director first.

[3:36:33] Voice 7: So in amending it, is it important?

[3:36:38] Voice 7: Do we need to, can we just add a third piece on there?

[3:36:42] Voice 7: so it would be the two that are existing and add the local print um as as is desired here

[3:36:49] Voice 7: or should we get rid of one of them to

[3:36:53] Voice 1: the chair i wouldn't recommend you add more restrictions that

[3:36:56] Voice 1: is that if you have everything

[3:36:59] Voice 17: so

[3:37:00] Voice 1: what i would recommend too because that's the minimum required

[3:37:06] Voice 1: under the legislation and if you want print media you could change one of those two to print media

[3:37:15] Voice 1: and you can select which one that is if you would like probably the most obvious to me would be our

[3:37:21] Voice 1: website and print media those are the two i think that provide the most flexibility and probably the

[3:37:27] Voice 1: furthest reach

[3:37:29] Voice 9: we can do fine with the status quo

[3:37:32] Voice 7: okay so what is what he's saying is that

[3:37:35] Voice 7: the province has changed the requirements they are but and and that hornbeam currently doesn't

[3:37:44] Voice 7: have its own um public notification bylaw so if that so the point would be that we introduce a

[3:37:59] Voice 7: public notification bylaw for hornby and if we want to nix um say the social media platform as

[3:38:09] Voice 7: one of the two in the proposed bylaw to replace it with a

[3:38:14] Voice 11: local print newspaper we can do that

[3:38:16] Voice 22: i just i just don't understand why

[3:38:18] Voice 9: is there emphasis on all the islands trust

[3:38:21] Voice 9: with social

[3:38:21] Voice 21: media and why not carry on with our local media and our two local papers and also

[3:38:27] Voice 21: the islands trust okay

[3:38:29] Voice 7: maybe i'll maybe i'll turn it back over to the director to explain

[3:38:33] Voice 7: what the uh legislative requirements are here that we're trying to meet you

[3:38:44] Voice 20: you're muted sir

[3:38:48] Voice 1: So I am. My apologies.

[3:38:51] Voice 1: The current legislation requires that you publish in a newspaper

[3:38:55] Voice 1: that publishes at least weekly,

[3:38:58] Voice 1: and you have to publish in two editions of it.

[3:39:00] Voice 1: That's the minimum requirement.

[3:39:02] Voice 1: They're allowing you to override that and do your own.

[3:39:07] Voice 1: And the recommendation is our website and social media.

[3:39:12] Voice 1: Those are probably the furthest reaching of the electronic version anyway.

[3:39:17] Voice 1: and are the easiest to administer and are obviously the cheapest.

[3:39:23] Voice 1: If you don't want to do that, if you would like as a requirement

[3:39:28] Voice 1: to publish in your local newspaper, you can change one of those two items

[3:39:36] Voice 1: and select either the website and the newspaper or social media and a newspaper.

[3:39:43] Voice 1: paper if you have

[3:39:44] Voice 1: yeah yeah okay thank you

[3:39:48] Voice 6: thank you so so the current default means

[3:39:54] Voice 6: a week a weekly published newspaper and

[3:39:59] Voice 7: two weeks in a row that's what the current default is yeah

[3:40:03] Voice 7: so we just

[3:40:04] Voice 7: we could do this one amend it and just say a local print newspaper instead of the social

[3:40:09] Voice 10: social

[3:40:09] Voice 7: media one yeah

[3:40:10] Voice 9: yeah just go yeah okay number

[3:40:17] Voice 11: two would be so i move let me get back

[3:40:25] Voice 11: to the recommendation here i

[3:40:31] Voice 7: move that the hornby island local trust committee

[3:40:37] Voice 7: amend the amend bylaw number 180 cited as hornby island local trust committee public

[3:40:44] Voice 7: notification file on number 10 uh number 180 2026 by replacing item parentheses i i with

[3:40:56] Voice 6: a local new a local

[3:40:59] Voice 11: print newspaper it

[3:41:06] Voice 15: doesn't have to

[3:41:07] Voice 6: be but if you wanted to emphasize

[3:41:09] Voice 6: size weekly okay weekly a local print weekly newspaper and i'll just make sure our fabulous

[3:41:19] Voice 6: administrator has got that i bet you have thank

[3:41:25] Voice 16: you chair person i have that excellent

[3:41:27] Voice 7: so so moved

[3:41:29] Voice 7: and uh look for a secondary seconded by trustee allen uh any very good discussion i'll call the

[3:41:37] Voice 7: the question all those in favor and then we can go to the recommendation and

[3:41:44] Voice 6: so i move that the

[3:41:51] Voice 6: hornby island local trust committee give bylaw number 180 cited as hornby local trust committee

[3:41:57] Voice 7: public notification bylaw number 180 2026 first reading as amended second

[3:42:04] Voice 21: any

[3:42:05] Voice 7: discussion call the

[3:42:06] Voice 7: question all those in favor that's carried so i'm going to take on the second you want me to just do

[3:42:11] Voice 18: Do I hear you?

[3:42:12] Voice 7: I move that the Hornby Island Local Trust Committee

[3:42:14] Voice 7: give by-law number 180,

[3:42:16] Voice 7: cited as Hornby Island Local Trust Committee

[3:42:18] Voice 7: public notification by-law number 180,

[3:42:21] Voice 7: 2026, second reading, as amended.

[3:42:25] Voice 4: Oh,

[3:42:25] Voice 7: I don't have to amend after seven?

[3:42:27] Voice 7: Okay, just second reading, then.

[3:42:29] Voice 6: Gotcha, okay.

[3:42:31] Voice 6: Call the question, all those in favor?

[3:42:34] Voice 6: That carries.

[3:42:37] Voice 6: The Hornby Island Local Trust Committee give by-law

[3:42:39] Voice 6: number 180, cited as Hornby Island,

[3:42:42] Voice 6: probably local trust committee public notification 80

[3:42:48] Voice 4: 20 26 third reading

[3:42:50] Voice 4: second

[3:42:50] Voice 7: by trustee allen well the question all those in favor

[3:42:54] Voice 7: carries and finally that the hornby island local trust committee forward bylaw number 180 cited as

[3:42:59] Voice 7: hornby local trust committee public notification bylaw number 180 20 26 to the island's trust

[3:43:04] Voice 7: executive committee for consideration of approval second by trustee allen

[3:43:08] Voice 7: on. Question all in favor? And that carries as well. Thank you very much. Oh, I didn't

[3:43:15] Voice 7: have something for us. Just director murder.

[3:43:17] Voice 15: Another decision.

[3:43:18] Voice 7: You are. Go ahead.

[3:43:23] Voice 1: Yeah, sorry, I may have missed it. Did you catch the very first resolution there

[3:43:28] Voice 1: considered reliable, suitable, accessible?

[3:43:31] Voice 7: Oh, no, we did not. I'm sorry. Now, of

[3:43:34] Voice 7: course we need to do that one right uh correct

[3:43:40] Voice 1: yeah one

[3:43:41] Voice 7: six i move that the hornby island local

[3:43:45] Voice 7: trust committee considers that the notification methods in draft bylaw 180 are reliable suitable

[3:43:51] Voice 7: and accessible for the hornby local trust area seconded by trevor allen any discussion

[3:44:00] Voice 7: i'll call the question all those in favor that carries thank you david for catching that

[3:44:04] Voice 7: so that concludes that item

[3:44:08] Voice 5: thank

[3:44:10] Voice 1: you I'm going to drop out

[3:44:11] Voice 1: appreciate it

[3:44:12] Voice 1: and

[3:44:13] Voice 5: I know that we're

[3:44:16] Voice 5: getting into our break time

[3:44:20] Voice 7: we have

[3:44:23] Voice 7: reports

[3:44:24] Voice 7: reports

[3:44:27] Voice 7: the only thing that we might

[3:44:30] Voice 7: and I'll leave this to you to discuss

[3:44:32] Voice 7: but we can get back into it

[3:44:34] Voice 7: the work program reports

[3:44:36] Voice 7: would be the only thing I think

[3:44:40] Voice 7: importance because there's no conservancy report there's the application report but unless there's

[3:44:46] Voice 7: questions around that then we can defer that to next meeting so let's take our break and we'll

[3:44:50] Voice 7: come back at four o'clock lisa um

[3:45:00] Voice 16: item 14.3 uh meeting procedures repeal bylaw oh sorry you're

[3:45:06] Voice 5: right there's

[3:45:06] Voice 16: a motion there to be made you

[3:45:11] Voice 7: are right i apologize okay we'll dispatch with that

[3:45:14] Voice 7: that first, before we take our break.

[3:45:20] Voice 7: I move that HBWTC by-law number 179

[3:45:25] Voice 7: cited as HBWTC meeting procedures repeal by-law

[3:45:29] Voice 7: number 197 2025 be adopted.

[3:45:33] Voice 7: Seconded by Trustee Allen, all in question,

[3:45:36] Voice 7: all those in favor?

[3:45:38] Voice 7: And that carries, thanks for that catch.

[3:45:42] Voice 7: Sonia, are you staying throughout?

[3:45:45] Voice 8: If I have a key, if you want to lock the hall.

[3:45:50] Voice 8: Are we moving the tables up there?

[3:45:52] Voice 8: Us up there?

[3:45:54] Voice 17: No?

[3:45:54] Voice 17: No.

[3:45:56] Voice 17: Me too.

[4:13:39] Nice to see you.

[4:13:39] Thanks.

[4:13:40] Are you yourself?

[4:13:55] Voice 22: Yeah.

[4:13:55] Voice 22: I

[4:14:01] Voice 17: get too hot.

[4:14:02] Voice 17: I

[4:14:02] Voice 10: get too hot.

[4:14:03] Voice 10: So I hope that people are trying to pick me up.

[4:14:08] Voice 9: I mean, this is so nice, right?

[4:14:11] Voice 10: Huh?

[4:14:14] Voice 9: Yeah.

[4:14:17] Voice 10: It's so easy inside out.

[4:14:20] Voice 10: I didn't have the right support.

[4:14:24] Voice 10: I

[4:14:24] Voice 17: didn't have the right support.

[4:14:37] Voice 11: Closer you can go.

[4:14:39] Voice 11: Yeah.

[4:14:40] Voice 11: Just one.

[4:14:40] Voice 11: I just didn't want to.

[4:14:41] Voice 11: that's

[4:14:54] Voice 17: as far as we go

[4:14:58] Voice 9: is that the camera

[4:15:01] Voice 9: so this is going to be recorded

[4:15:05] Voice 9: as just a continuation

[4:15:08] Voice 9: of the zoom meeting

[4:15:09] Voice 9: oh okay

[4:16:54] can

[4:17:01] Voice 9: you hear me in the back

[4:17:03] Voice 9: Alex good

[4:17:04] Voice 9: I wanted to invite

[4:17:07] Voice 9: everyone here today

[4:17:09] Voice 9: to an information

[4:17:11] Voice 9: meeting for the community workforce housing project the information meeting

[4:17:20] Voice 9: will be a week from this Sunday here at the hall at 2 o'clock and we're really

[4:17:27] Voice 9: hoping that a lot of people will come out and hear about this workforce housing

[4:17:30] Voice 9: project so you're all invited and I would like to also take this moment to

[4:17:39] Voice 9: to just acknowledge everyone that came out today.

[4:17:42] Voice 9: Because most of you would be in the vacation rental arena,

[4:17:47] Voice 9: you wouldn't have been paying NRBT taxes

[4:17:50] Voice 9: for the last four or five years.

[4:17:51] Voice 9: And I really wanted to acknowledge

[4:17:53] Voice 9: in terms of our workforce housing project,

[4:17:56] Voice 9: how important that income stream

[4:17:57] Voice 9: will be going into the future.

[4:17:59] Voice 9: So thank you all very much.

[4:18:02] Voice 9: And I hope to see everyone on February 1st.

[4:18:05] Voice 9: Tupac, here.

[4:18:26] Voice 9: I don't

[4:18:27] Voice 15: know how well I'm

[4:18:28] Voice 9: projecting to the back of the room, but I can definitely keep

[4:18:31] Voice 9: up this sound volume for

[4:18:33] Voice 7: all you wait.

[4:18:34] Voice 7: Okay.

[4:18:36] Voice 7: In that case, let's come back, we were in a regular meeting that we reset, so I'll call

[4:18:45] Voice 4: I'll just take a moment and see,

[4:18:48] Voice 4: check in with our meeting administrator.

[4:18:50] Voice 4: Can you hear us okay, Lisa?

[4:18:53] Voice 16: That's affirmative, Chair Peterson.

[4:18:56] Voice 7: Thank you.

[4:18:59] Voice 7: Then we're

[4:19:01] Voice 4: gonna move into the community information

[4:19:04] Voice 4: meeting portion.

[4:19:06] Voice 4: Both laws 176 and 177

[4:19:12] Voice 4: and over to

[4:19:15] Voice 4: after her presentation we'll have a question

[4:19:18] Voice 4: and answer period

[4:19:19] Voice 4: and comments

[4:19:21] Voice 4: and we'll have

[4:19:24] Voice 4: opportunity for some

[4:19:25] Voice 4: discussion

[4:19:27] Voice 4: start off with the presentation and I'll ask you the

[4:19:29] Voice 4: whole questions

[4:19:30] Voice 4: in short

[4:19:34] Voice 9: don't worry because I know everybody wants

[4:19:36] Voice 9: to get into the good part which is questions

[4:19:38] Voice 9: and answers and put to your

[4:19:39] Voice 9: elected officials. My name is Sonia Zupan

[4:19:42] Voice 9: And as I've met some of you and those of you I haven't met, I've been working with the

[4:19:45] Voice 9: Island's Trust for 18 years.

[4:19:51] Voice 9: So I was here for the first round of vacation rental regulations when you started this discussion

[4:19:57] Voice 9: way back when, permitted as an outright, permitted to use in all residential zones.

[4:20:02] Voice 9: I'm back to help support the local trust committee with this next round of amendments.

[4:20:07] Voice 9: And so I'm the project planner for this review, which is more than just the vacation rental

[4:20:12] Voice 9: issue. However, that is the focus, the predominant focus of these two bylaws. This is nested as part

[4:20:18] Voice 9: of a larger review. So I will keep it short. So today is specifically to make sure you understand

[4:20:25] Voice 9: what the proposed changes are in the bylaws 176 and 177. They're at second reading, which means

[4:20:33] Voice 9: they're just ready, almost ready to go to public hearing, which means you need to understand

[4:20:37] Voice 9: what the scope of the proposed changes are so you can decide how to prepare a submission to

[4:20:42] Voice 9: your locally elected officials about whether you support the bylaws or whether you want to see more

[4:20:46] Voice 9: changes so that's the whole point of these community information meetings is to really

[4:20:49] Voice 9: empower you to understand what are the changes and what kind of input do you want to give back

[4:20:54] Voice 9: to them before they make their decisions about next steps so we'll

[4:20:59] Voice 9: also be talking about those

[4:21:00] Voice 9: next steps and i want to make sure there's sufficient time to address any technical or

[4:21:05] Voice 9: process questions that you have before we transition to the input because this isn't

[4:21:10] Voice 9: mini public hearing and this is really uh make sure you've got all the questions answered first

[4:21:15] Voice 9: and if there's time remaining the chairs can help facilitate that input piece as well which is also

[4:21:20] Voice 9: important so to start you off for those that haven't been following this project as closely

[4:21:27] Voice 9: as some of us have had to the project charter this is an excerpt from your project charter

[4:21:32] Voice 9: was established in 2023 so the purpose of this project is as stated it's to review the hornby

[4:21:38] Voice 9: island official community plan and land use file specifically to look at increasing housing options

[4:21:44] Voice 9: on the island to also regulate vacation rentals through the temporary use permit that was an

[4:21:52] Voice 9: explicit political decision that this was the purpose of this project and to incorporate the

[4:21:57] Voice 9: first nations engagement uh recommendations into the ocp and the land use bylaw which is

[4:22:02] Voice 9: a significant chunk of the work that is silent right now because we haven't had a chance to get

[4:22:08] Voice 9: to that yet so just so you know that's how this has been framed and scoped since 2023

[4:22:13] Voice 9: as a result of your input the advisory planning commission's recommendations um

[4:22:18] Voice 9: uh consultants engagement study that they did in 2022 so that's how we kind of got to where

[4:22:24] Voice 9: and the project charter's been updated five times and it's on the website for those of you who are

[4:22:31] Voice 9: curious to dive into it so we're going to start with the official community plan because that's

[4:22:36] Voice 9: sort of a mother policy document for your community that's where we nest all the directive policies

[4:22:43] Voice 9: that then the land use bylaw has to implement into the day-to-day regulations that sort of

[4:22:48] Voice 9: affect you more directly

[4:22:50] Voice 10: we'll

[4:22:55] Voice 9: have it ready and then if anyone doesn't feel like i'm projecting

[4:22:58] Voice 9: testing testing too loud would you rather

[4:23:03] Voice 9: yeah use it please okay thanks so the official community

[4:23:13] Voice 9: plan has been pared down in terms of the amendments if you were following this project

[4:23:18] Voice 9: it was a little bit beefier at the beginning when it was at first reading but now it's been

[4:23:22] Voice 9: simplified to just these these topics the first is to support rezoning applications for multi-dwelling

[4:23:29] Voice 9: housing proposals that ensure affordability through residential rental time so

[4:23:33] Voice 9: that's been maintained

[4:23:35] Voice 9: and that's a policy directive it doesn't mean that it's permitted everywhere on the island because

[4:23:39] Voice 9: the land use bylaw would need to do that that's not happening in the space of the project this is

[4:23:43] Voice 9: just policy directive this is nested in the scope of changes the second one is that policy supports

[4:23:51] Voice 9: land in the ALR over four hectares in size for the parcels to be able to construct a principal

[4:23:57] Voice 9: residents with a secondary suite and take advantage of a secondary dwelling up to a

[4:24:02] Voice 9: maximum floor area stipulated in the agricultural land commission regulations which is 968 square feet

[4:24:10] Voice 9: so that's policy directed in the ocp to say if and when the land use bylaw gets caught up

[4:24:16] Voice 9: you expect to see that for the egg zone so that's how we increase housing flexibility

[4:24:21] Voice 9: and then requiring all vacation home rentals to be operating through the use of a valid temporary use permit.

[4:24:28] Voice 9: So that's the policy directive that then translates into land use bylaw regulations.

[4:24:35] Voice 9: So that's the pith and substance of the changes that are currently in Bylaw 176.

[4:24:40] Voice 9: Bylaw 177, this is to amend your land use bylaw.

[4:24:48] Voice 9: So in simple terms, there's a change about water cisterns not being considered structures.

[4:24:53] Voice 9: That was a request of the community and political direction to exclude these as from being structures because then you can place them anywhere on the lot and not be subject to setbacks.

[4:25:05] Voice 9: So that change is in there.

[4:25:07] Voice 10: The

[4:25:08] Voice 9: bigger change, community housing being permitted in the PU zone and a density is being specified in the Land Use By-law has 10 units per hectare and up to 24 maximum 24 lip work units per lot.

[4:25:23] Voice 9: lot so that's a placeholder for a future potential project to be able to realize this density in that

[4:25:32] Voice 9: specific location so the land use bylaw basically is pre-designating a certain density for that

[4:25:37] Voice 9: use so that's significant and then the temporary use guidelines for all the vacation home rental

[4:25:45] Voice 9: applications would be specified in the land use bylaw and they're a through j currently listed

[4:25:50] Voice 9: in draft the proposed bylaw 177 and each of those guidelines would need to be considered by the

[4:25:57] Voice 9: elected officials before they issue a permit and then what's pending because some of you weren't

[4:26:05] Voice 9: here for the meeting this afternoon is the local trust committee's consideration of what was in

[4:26:10] Voice 9: this bylaw several last year was a cap placing a cap on the number of temporary use permits

[4:26:17] Voice 9: that can be issued at any given time so that's still a pending discussion and today's meeting

[4:26:24] this afternoon there was discussion about there being a number uh 65 correct

[4:26:30] Voice 9: 65 was raised it

[4:26:32] Voice 9: used to be 67 today there was discussion about 65 so that's still pending for their consideration

[4:26:38] Voice 9: currently the bylaw stands with no cap just to be clear so those guidelines in the land use

[4:26:48] Voice 9: thought of we're just going to quickly make sure you understand um the scope of the types of things

[4:26:54] Voice 9: that those guidelines are trying to address the first one is the cumulative impact of that use

[4:27:00] Voice 9: vacation rental use in a neighborhood and on the island so the local trust committee wants

[4:27:06] Voice 9: applications to be able to address what's the cumulative impact of this particular use

[4:27:11] Voice 9: in this geography but then in the broader context of however many vacation rentals are being

[4:27:19] Voice 9: operated at any given time. The guidelines would require proof of adequate septic capacity,

[4:27:28] Voice 9: water quantity and water quality as well. Some of these aren't new, just making sure you're clear,

[4:27:36] Voice 9: some of these are being embedded again. Posting information to guests regarding First Nations

[4:27:41] Voice 9: significance in the area, that's been absent up until now. And site plan, noise issues,

[4:27:50] Voice 9: fire, garbage, pests, water conservation, that this package of information that would be available to

[4:27:55] Voice 9: guests would be submitted as part of the application so that it's added to ensure it's

[4:27:59] Voice 9: sufficient. And then this other clause, the last one, J, it says any other requirements the LTC

[4:28:08] Voice 9: considers appropriate. And we were having a discussion in the meeting before this about what

[4:28:14] Voice 9: that translates to because it's not supposed to be ambiguous. It's supposed to give applicants a

[4:28:20] Voice 9: a strong sense of what are you asking for what

[4:28:22] Voice 9: are you looking for and this is to address the

[4:28:25] Voice 9: site-specific nuances of individual applications where perhaps some of these guidelines aren't a

[4:28:30] Voice 9: perfect match but there's an equivalency that you're supporting for an application for water

[4:28:36] Voice 9: septic posting signage whatever the case may be site plans so there might be specific requirements

[4:28:42] Voice 9: for your application that can be a condition of the permit and this allows the LTC to craft that

[4:28:48] Voice 9: and embed it in the permit itself. So some of the excerpts from the actual bio if you're looking at

[4:28:56] Voice 9: 177. So this is the one that deals with cumulative impacts, this is the wording in the proposed

[4:29:03] Voice 9: violent addressing cumulative impacts of rentals and this is all in 177. The confirmation from an

[4:29:16] Voice 9: authorized person regarding the sewage system is has not just been inspected in the last six months

[4:29:23] Voice 9: of your application but that it meets the requirements of the app so it's actually

[4:29:27] Voice 9: constructed to the standard that would be deemed acceptable to address the intensity of use

[4:29:36] Voice 9: water supply system for those properties where you have one source of water and it's servicing

[4:29:41] Voice 9: more than one dwelling the profits requires a an operating permit so we would just want to make

[4:29:48] Voice 9: sure that that's up to date issued and ready to go confirmation from a qualified professional

[4:29:55] Voice 9: professional to certify not the water reason why that's a typo

[4:30:00] Voice 9: fixed meets the Canadian drinking water standards.

[4:30:03] Voice 9: So if your water supply isn't groundwater,

[4:30:05] Voice 9: or it's a cistern, or it's rainwater,

[4:30:08] Voice 9: those are all the little subtle nuances

[4:30:10] Voice 9: of your specific application that need to be conveyed

[4:30:13] Voice 9: if this gets approved to ensure

[4:30:16] Voice 9: that the drinking water quality meets

[4:30:19] Voice 9: the minimum standard that's expected.

[4:30:22] Voice 17: And then confirmation from a qualified professional

[4:30:29] Voice 17: regarding the quantity.

[4:30:30] Voice 17: Is the water being sourced?

[4:30:32] Voice 17: may or may not meet the

[4:30:33] Voice 9: intent of how these guidelines are drafted which is considering

[4:30:36] Voice 9: your property is the source of one so those cases would need to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis

[4:30:46] Voice 9: so in the meeting this afternoon the staff report that's attached to the agenda package from this

[4:30:51] Voice 9: meeting we just wanted to make sure you're up to speed we reported back to your elected officials

[4:30:57] Voice 9: the provincial registry for short-term rentals indicated at the end of november that there

[4:31:03] Voice 9: There were 87 operators registered for Hornby Island

[4:31:07] Voice 9: and 79 of those were listed as active.

[4:31:12] Voice 9: The bylaw enforcement staff indicated that as last year

[4:31:16] Voice 9: for 2025, there was no complaints deriving from the public

[4:31:19] Voice 9: about vacation rental use,

[4:31:21] Voice 9: but there are 12 active files that are open

[4:31:24] and those are predominantly pro actively opened by staff

[4:31:29] based on enforcement

[4:31:31] Voice 9: of listings.

[4:31:34] Voice 9: so those are just considerations so in terms

[4:31:42] Voice 10: of understanding the

[4:31:43] Voice 9: legislative context these are

[4:31:44] Voice 9: not draft bylaws they're proposed which means they've been given readings which means they're

[4:31:49] getting closer to what the final product might look

[4:31:52] Voice 9: like so you're right at the right point in

[4:31:55] Voice 9: time to be critically evaluating whether these bylaws match your expectations and what kind of

[4:32:02] Voice 9: input you want to present so the local trust committee is considering through the process

[4:32:08] Voice 9: we called second meeting as amended whether or not to amend these bylaws any aspect of it not

[4:32:14] Voice 9: just the temporary use permit piece perhaps any other element the bylaws could be amended during

[4:32:20] Voice 9: a meeting so it can't happen behind closed doors it has to happen in a public meeting which is what

[4:32:25] Voice 9: this is so it could happen at the close of this community information meeting we close this we go

[4:32:31] Voice 9: back into the business meeting and they can have a discussion they're not a part of that business

[4:32:36] this discussion this

[4:32:37] Voice 9: is the part that you're involved in so it's important to make sure that

[4:32:41] Voice 9: you have an opportunity to speak so when they close this meeting and they deliberate next steps

[4:32:47] Voice 9: that they've received all the information so they're also considering we've done ILA referrals

[4:32:59] Voice 9: we've had input from different agencies we've already had lots of public correspondence

[4:33:04] Voice 9: everything's posted to the web in terms of the things that they have to keep in mind that they've

[4:33:08] Voice 9: already heard as they decide how to proceed

[4:33:14] Voice 10: no so

[4:33:21] Voice 10: people can stay absolutely

[4:33:24] Voice 9: you're observing you

[4:33:25] Voice 9: have an opportunity to observe their deliberations i'm not saying you're not permitted to be here

[4:33:29] Voice 9: nothing happens behind closed doors it's that that portion of the meeting is not a public

[4:33:35] Voice 9: discussion for those back and forth with your elected officials about how they're going to

[4:33:39] Voice 9: that we'll proceed with next steps so the ltc can also just decide that they're comfortable with the

[4:33:47] Voice 9: bylaws as presented today and that they want to proceed to a public hearing so that public hearing

[4:33:53] Voice 9: is the last opportunity for public input and as a formal legislative process we do notification

[4:34:00] Voice 9: everyone's invited there's a couple of ways to do it fully electronic hybrid in person

[4:34:07] Voice 9: some, those are all preferences that they'll need to consider and weigh out. So if you

[4:34:12] Voice 9: have a preference about that, it's a good thing to let them know. And the legislative

[4:34:21] Voice 9: process called the public hearing, as I said, it's the last opportunity for public input.

[4:34:27] Voice 9: After the close of the public hearing, they cannot receive any new information, any new

[4:34:32] Voice 9: information. So if they do, it's a breach of process we start over. So we're really

[4:34:38] Voice 9: careful once we get to that point

[4:34:40] Voice 10: however they can make changes after the public hearing to the

[4:34:48] bylaws based on

[4:34:49] Voice 9: everything they've heard they cannot make changes to use for density though

[4:34:56] Voice 9: so for example that provision about the affordable housing the number of units per

[4:35:02] Voice 9: per lot or per hectare you can't fiddle with those numbers post public hearing

[4:35:07] Voice 9: up or down because that's a change in density that triggers the need for a new public hearing

[4:35:13] Voice 9: so that's why there has to be full confidence from your elected officials that those use and density

[4:35:18] Voice 9: issues they've got it it's covered it's good the other pieces can possibly be amended but not use

[4:35:24] Voice 9: your density without any public hearing and then everyone

[4:35:31] Voice 17: wonders when the violence can adopt

[4:35:32] Voice 17: so there's a few steps between any changes to the vital happen and then we have to refer those to

[4:35:43] Voice 9: two other groups for approvals one is the province and one is the executive committee the other

[4:35:48] Voice 9: and stressed and that could take several months before it comes back to them for final adoption

[4:35:54] Voice 9: so the chances of these bylaws being adopted before the elections which are

[4:35:59] Voice 9: October I think October 2026 you know in our opinion are not high and that can be problematic

[4:36:12] Voice 9: in an election year to have bylaws that are sitting so close to adoption and aren't it's

[4:36:18] Voice 9: not ideal so ideally it would have been you know a different stage in the process by now

[4:36:25] Voice 9: So once those bylaws are adopted, they are in effect immediately.

[4:36:30] Voice 9: The date of adoption triggers the date that those new policies and regulations are in effect,

[4:36:36] Voice 9: which means we have to make sure that if there's any implications for the Hornby Island Fees Bylaw,

[4:36:40] Voice 9: that that's been updated as well.

[4:36:42] Voice 9: So people who have to make applications and make decisions about next steps,

[4:36:46] Voice 9: that all those other administrative pieces have been taken care of.

[4:36:49] Voice 9: I'm trying to keep it short.

[4:36:55] Voice 9: so ideally the chair will help facilitate technical process questions first your questions

[4:37:02] Voice 9: may be for staff they may be for the elected officials if you know you can self-identify

[4:37:07] Voice 9: that'll make it easier um and then once it feels like we've kind of gone through everybody's

[4:37:12] questions the chair will help facilitate that process of just providing your input your thoughts

[4:37:17] about where these bylaws are at and if they're ready to go to public hearing or if there's

[4:37:20] significant changes or minor changes that you wish to see incorporated so i will stand off to the

[4:37:27] side and wait to be called upon by the chair i'm

[4:37:31] Voice 9: not going to assume that the questions are for me

[4:37:34] Voice 9: but i will definitely try my best to help facilitate some some answers and if you need a mic

[4:37:42] Voice 9: this one has a bit of a leash where you can come up if you'd like to use the mic okay thank you

[4:37:50] Voice 9: great thank you sonia

[4:37:52] Voice 7: um there's a lot of us in the room today and so i'm gonna do my best to

[4:37:58] Voice 7: try again um i'm gonna guess this would be a bunch of questions

[4:38:03] Voice 7: to do my best to work through the room um physically by rows and quadrants

[4:38:11] Voice 7: since i don't know all their names um i just would uh remind everyone that uh

[4:38:17] Voice 7: to direct

[4:38:19] Voice 7: your comments to us

[4:38:21] Voice 7: not the other members

[4:38:23] Voice 7: of the public here

[4:38:23] Voice 7: speak about issues not individuals

[4:38:28] Voice 7: be

[4:38:29] Voice 7: clear concise

[4:38:30] Voice 7: and respectful

[4:38:32] Voice 7: and

[4:38:34] Voice 7: then just note

[4:38:36] Voice 7: Sonia touched on it but

[4:38:38] Voice 7: we can start with

[4:38:42] Voice 7: more

[4:38:43] Voice 7: questions and then

[4:38:45] Voice 7: when we're sort of

[4:38:47] Voice 7: Feeling like we're mostly done with questions and we've got some space for comments or statements in that sense, but I think be helpful if we could get through as many of the questions as possible.

[4:38:59] Voice 7: So just for fun, I'll let for show of hands who has questions. Okay, quite a few. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to start at the very back.

[4:39:11] Voice 7: and so the folks that are sitting up on the stair there, so I saw you right in the middle,

[4:39:17] Voice 7: I'm going to go to you and then I'll come this way,

[4:39:19] Voice 4: and then I'll start working through the

[4:39:21] Voice 4: ropes. So go ahead

[4:39:22] Voice 4: with your question, please.

[4:39:24] Voice 9: I'm just going

[4:39:28] Voice 10: to

[4:39:32] Voice 4: pause you for a second. How

[4:39:34] Voice 4: are people doing with hearing up here? Can we ask you to come take the microphone?

[4:39:50] Voice 4: And in fact, yeah, that's another way we can do it is if we want, we could just have folks

[4:39:56] Voice 4: who have questions queue up, like line up for the microphone, if that's okay.

[4:40:01] Voice 5: If people have

[4:40:02] Voice 4: trouble standing that long, let me know.

[4:40:05] Voice 5: Go ahead.

[4:40:06] Voice 9: I don't know if it's appropriate to ask this here, but I noticed when you were going through

[4:40:10] Voice 9: through your slides that you need a certified person

[4:40:15] Voice 9: to take a look at the water system and septic system.

[4:40:18] Voice 9: Could that be like a chemical engineer

[4:40:21] Voice 9: or what sort of stipulations would that person need to have?

[4:40:25] Voice 9: Yeah, that's a great question.

[4:40:27] Voice 9: So through the chair, that's okay.

[4:40:30] Voice 9: So in terms of qualified professionals,

[4:40:33] Voice 9: certified professionals in the province of British Columbia,

[4:40:35] Voice 9: there's provincial legislation around each of the bodies

[4:40:39] Voice 9: of who's certified to do what.

[4:40:40] Voice 9: So for SEPTA, for example, a registered on-site wastewater practitioner with the ROWP credentials would be a certified person who can look at a system, who can determine whether it's functioning, who can design any upgrades, maintenance or repairs that need to be done, or can do the installation.

[4:40:58] Voice 9: and the certifications are based on those skill sets so that's important to understand when you're

[4:41:05] Voice 9: seeking those professionals is that they might be qualified to do a lot more than what you need but

[4:41:11] Voice 9: they have the credentials for that piece that you need which might just be the inspection

[4:41:15] Voice 9: same goes for water testing so there's laboratories that do basic parameters for

[4:41:19] Voice 9: canadian drinking water standards here in the comox valley they're qualified they're certified

[4:41:24] Voice 9: to do that analysis their lab is it's ready to go and provide you with the standardized reporting

[4:41:30] Voice 9: that you can then easily interpret as to whether or not you meet the drinking water standards for

[4:41:35] Voice 9: biological or chemical properties i understand that on the island you do have the ability to

[4:41:41] Voice 9: test the water for biological properties but not chemical right so that's a discussion point about

[4:41:47] is the local trust committee flexible to not require chemicals testing for the chemical

[4:41:54] properties of water or are we strictly concerned about fecal coliform only and the biological

[4:41:59] type of coliform so those are all community discussions for

[4:42:04] Voice 9: that piece but these qualified

[4:42:05] Voice 9: professionals do have the expertise to be able to sign off on reports or provide evidence that

[4:42:12] Voice 9: your system your water or the quality of the water or the quantity of the water

[4:42:16] Voice 9: has been measured based on the standards that are appropriate for British Columbia

[4:42:20] them to

[4:42:21] Voice 9: to sign off on and be held accountable too if there's any discrepancies

[4:42:32] Voice 11: i'm driving around the island especially the

[4:42:34] Voice 4: sandbiker and the island beach area i see a lot

[4:42:38] Voice 4: of secondary houses that are there they've been there a long time and so i would like

[4:42:44] Voice 4: i've been asked just to apply the same leniency to the short-term rental by laws thank you very much

[4:43:08] I just have one question.

[4:43:10] Voice 14: On the water and the septic issues, if there's septic issues

[4:43:14] Voice 14: on the island, or we think there's

[4:43:15] Voice 19: septic issues on the island,

[4:43:16] Voice 19: why are these two things

[4:43:18] Voice 19: be applied only to people in short-term rentals and not broadly across the island everyone there's

[4:43:23] no set municipal systems here so there's i'm just curious as to why we're isolating it to this

[4:43:29] the group of renters and not applying that

[4:43:32] Voice 4: across the world

[4:43:43] Voice 9: it's a bit of both it's a bit of technical and political because the community concerns that

[4:43:47] Voice 9: came up through the original phases of engagement were

[4:43:50] Voice 10: that the intensification use of land lead to

[4:43:58] Voice 10: concerns about the quality of groundwater if it's impacted by failing systems

[4:44:05] Voice 9: so this is not

[4:44:07] Voice 9: something that we're making up a staff or that your elected officials are making up this is a

[4:44:10] Voice 9: direct result of the input that we've received early on and throughout the course of this this

[4:44:16] Voice 9: evolution over the last 15 years of these regulations is what are the localized impacts

[4:44:21] Voice 9: of that intensification of use on the aquifers

[4:44:25] Voice 9: if these systems aren't being checked.

[4:44:27] Voice 9: So if your elected officials are looking at the temporary use permit

[4:44:31] Voice 9: as a way to ensure compliance with the minimum standard,

[4:44:35] Voice 9: that's really the only way to do it.

[4:44:37] Voice 9: Residentially, we don't require,

[4:44:39] Voice 9: if you're just building a residential home,

[4:44:42] the siting and use permit piece that we require,

[4:44:45] that trigger for you to go to Island Health

[4:44:47] Voice 9: and register your septic plans

[4:44:48] Voice 10: is

[4:44:49] Voice 9: not something that we're following up on and checking.

[4:44:52] Voice 9: So this is really the only opportunity for the local trust committee to say

[4:44:56] Voice 9: this particular land use possibly poses a threat to aquifers

[4:45:00] Voice 9: because of the intensification of use and potential for non-maintenance of these systems.

[4:45:05] Voice 9: So that's how this has been embedded as a guideline to check those pieces off

[4:45:10] Voice 9: to provide some level of assurance that the highest standard is being applied

[4:45:13] Voice 9: for those properties that are benefiting economically from this particular use.

[4:45:18] Voice 9: So it was brought in as a direct result of community concerns about groundwater.

[4:45:28] Hi there, I've got a further question on septic.

[4:45:31] In 2020, build a new house, put in a brand new septic.

[4:45:34] Voice 11: Will I be required then every year to have that expected, even if it's within five years old?

[4:45:41] Voice 9: So the way that the guidelines are drafted right now in the bylaw

[4:45:44] Voice 9: is that six months prior to application for a new permit and so that means you apply once

[4:45:52] Voice 9: it's hopefully really recent that that checkoff was done and then that's good until the next time

[4:45:58] Voice 9: you might reapply and so how often do you see us reapplying is that every six years

[4:46:03] Voice 9: so you can you can renew once and then a new application you're earning once for three years

[4:46:11] Voice 9: and then a new application at the 6th.

[4:46:13] Voice 9: Great.

[4:46:14] I'm

[4:46:22] Voice 11: Eric Van Graham from Hormel

[4:46:24] Voice 11: and Schwarzer Rental Association.

[4:46:27] Voice 12: Just a question about

[4:46:28] Voice 12: I think the thing that you answered

[4:46:30] Voice 12: recently, Sondra, a few minutes ago

[4:46:32] Voice 12: around a concern

[4:46:34] Voice 12: to do with the intensity

[4:46:36] Voice 12: I think it's around the intensity of use

[4:46:38] Voice 12: to do with vacation rentals.

[4:46:40] Voice 12: Has there been some

[4:46:42] Voice 12: good data collected

[4:46:45] Voice 12: on

[4:46:46] Voice 12: what the difference is between

[4:46:48] Voice 12: between the use of owners let's say for example in the summertime who have lots of guests and

[4:46:53] Voice 12: they're lots of friends and guests family and friends up to stay versus those properties

[4:47:00] Voice 8: which are vacation rentals is there some good data on

[4:47:03] Voice 12: that because i

[4:47:04] Voice 8: think the difference in

[4:47:05] Voice 8: the

[4:47:05] Voice 12: question that was asked around um why is it only being focused on vacation rentals i think

[4:47:11] Voice 12: that would be important data to have certainly

[4:47:15] Voice 19: can you enlighten us on that a little bit more

[4:47:17] Voice 19: So,

[4:47:18] Voice 9: from my understanding, that data is all anecdotal. We have not issued a report or a study by the local trust committee to direct staff and consultants to do that kind of analysis.

[4:47:30] There's lots of anecdotal information about the population increase in the summer, whether it's attributed to residents in their own homes or short-term rentals.

[4:47:39] um

[4:47:40] Voice 9: there's data collection happening at the community level but it's like i say it's all

[4:47:44] Voice 9: anecdotal because we're not really hiring somebody to do the hard stats and to double

[4:47:50] Voice 9: triple check the stats so the local trust committee is using um the best sort of approach

[4:47:56] Voice 9: forward as like a precautionary principle this is a limited economic benefit that's being

[4:48:02] Voice 9: afforded to certain members of the community and there is an assumed

[4:48:09] Voice 9: intensification of use during that period in the number of people on a

[4:48:13] Voice 9: specific property versus the census data which is saying you know 2.2 people per

[4:48:18] Voice 9: dwelling so it's anticipated that perhaps the

[4:48:22] Voice 9: occasional number is higher than that from May to September and if that is a

[4:48:30] Voice 9: gap that you feel that local trust committee needs to have that concrete information before

[4:48:35] Voice 9: making decisions then that's the kind of feedback that you want to give to them at this point that

[4:48:39] Voice 9: you don't have faith in that sort of anecdotal approach to address the issues yeah thanks

[4:48:46] Voice 11: thanks very much i think i would say that

[4:48:49] Voice 8: is violated because if if you know used by owners

[4:48:53] Voice 8: and used by vacation rentals that hasn't been looked at properly then

[4:48:57] Voice 12: we are not really based

[4:48:58] Voice 12: decision on on the kind of data that we need to that we need to have thanks very much ask everyone

[4:49:12] Voice 4: to refrain from clapping and by the same joke we were playing from booing or disapproval

[4:49:19] Voice 4: just so that we have an equitable environment here and so i i know i said i wanted to start

[4:49:25] Voice 4: at the back but i also don't want to um make it too complicated so if you have a question

[4:49:33] Voice 7: let's take people from this side and then from that side and just

[4:49:38] Voice 7: organize yourselves up to the microphone and then we'll work through the center

[4:49:43] Voice 7: thank

[4:49:52] Voice 9: you i came in a little bit late you may have covered this but i'm curious what

[4:49:59] Voice 9: like there seems to be a difference between the people who have registered on the provincial

[4:50:06] Voice 9: registry and the people who may be operating and advertising on the

[4:50:11] Voice 9: advertising platforms so how do you handle that difference because you know

[4:50:17] Voice 9: people are saying these many registered but I don't really think that's the

[4:50:22] Voice 9: total number of people so I'm wondering how that's going to be handled well it's not really being handled right now in terms of it's a number so we know based on our

[4:50:34] her staff's interpretation of the available data as of november online that there was about 110

[4:50:40] um active is that on the island

[4:50:47] Voice 9: correct based on advertising on various platforms

[4:50:51] Voice 9: so that's just information that everyone has to consider

[4:51:00] Voice 12: yeah i have two questions related to the uh uh issuance of the temporary use permits

[4:51:07] my the impression from the presentation that we had today that the permits will be issued by the

[4:51:13] local trust committee correct so that's the two trustees the

[4:51:17] Voice 12: three they make out the local trust

[4:51:19] Voice 12: okay you mentioned that the cap has gone from a previous 67 to 65. um there's no cap right now

[4:51:26] though so the discussion is about capping at 65. when the provincial data shows there are 87

[4:51:33] seven sdbr is registered on hornby island so i'd

[4:51:37] Voice 12: just like to get some clarification on how

[4:51:39] Voice 12: we've arrived at that number i'll

[4:51:42] Voice 9: pass you over to the election thank you

[4:51:49] Voice 17: if

[4:51:54] Voice 10: you don't mind me sitting like a new knee i have here that's three months old

[4:52:00] Voice 10: no so did you state your how

[4:52:06] Voice 12: did you arrive at a potential cap of a 65 when they're 87

[4:52:12] Voice 12: registered with the province

[4:52:14] Voice 15: they're registered but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're

[4:52:18] Voice 15: all in compliance and we're quite sure that a lot of those aren't in compliance so that the 65

[4:52:27] we came up with

[4:52:29] had

[4:52:29] Voice 15: a lot to do with

[4:52:30] Voice 15: what the other Gulf Islands were doing.

[4:52:33] Voice 15: And Danone,

[4:52:35] Voice 15: for example, has zero.

[4:52:36] Voice 15: The Speedy Island, where Tim's from,

[4:52:39] Voice 15: has zero. And

[4:52:40] Voice 15: these islands, they've accepted

[4:52:43] Voice 15: these numbers.

[4:52:45] Voice 15: So

[4:52:47] Voice 15: we've heard on Hornby

[4:52:49] Voice 15: that it could be unlimited.

[4:52:51] Voice 15: This was a while ago. I don't think people are

[4:52:53] Voice 15: saying that anymore. And

[4:52:55] Voice 8: And all the other jurisdictions around us, you know, comparing the population, are much lower than

[4:53:05] Voice 15: 67 or 65.

[4:53:07] Voice 15: So this number is trying to find a compromise, considering

[4:53:11] Voice 15: in a lot of ways, we have a lot of situations on Army

[4:53:15] Voice 8: in the summer that are worse than a lot of these

[4:53:17] Voice 15: other, the heat in the summer, the water volume,

[4:53:23] Voice 15: the number of people we get here you know 6 000 or something on the on the long weekend in august

[4:53:28] Voice 15: these are these are all sort of numbers and statistics that go on on the island that um

[4:53:35] Voice 15: i mean do we have a formula that absolutely came up with this number and we've got to say no we

[4:53:42] Voice 15: don't but we've listened to so many people on the island you know we go into the co-op everywhere i

[4:53:48] Voice 15: go i'm going to get people coming up to be insane from from all the different perspectives here so

[4:53:54] Voice 15: we're trying to find a

[4:53:55] Voice 8: balance that kind of works for for us here it takes into account what's going

[4:54:01] Voice 8: on elsewhere but given global warming and the heat in the summer when you're walking around the fear

[4:54:07] Voice 8: of fire so the more you know so that that has all has to do with

[4:54:13] Voice 8: trying to find

[4:54:13] Voice 15: a number that's

[4:54:15] Voice 15: reasonable for hornby island well

[4:54:19] Voice 12: i would suggest that perhaps uh the number might be low and you

[4:54:23] Voice 12: should really look at or get some hard data other than what other islands are doing before you come

[4:54:28] Voice 12: up with a cap

[4:54:29] Voice 17: okay hello

[4:54:49] Voice 21: my name is ian bullen and i'm what i would call a second generation

[4:54:53] Voice 21: hornby island person i.e my parents my mother was here for decades and now i'm the next generation

[4:54:59] Voice 21: and we have a lovely family property that we'd never be able to afford ourselves

[4:55:04] Voice 21: now that we're trying to maintain with the help of some short-term rentals in the summer.

[4:55:08] Voice 21: We do about eight or ten weeks of that.

[4:55:11] Voice 21: I have really two questions.

[4:55:15] Voice 21: I'm just going to make a comment to the trustees, please, about that first thing.

[4:55:20] Voice 21: First, that you're worried about registered numbers versus the number 65.

[4:55:26] Voice 21: Well, if you're worried about compliance, well, that will come down naturally

[4:55:30] Voice 21: because they won't pass temporary use permits.

[4:55:34] Voice 21: And secondly, there's only a certain amount of direction from other islands.

[4:55:39] Voice 21: You can look and see what they did, but they're not Hornby Island.

[4:55:42] Voice 21: And we're trying to take direction from our Hornby Island people.

[4:55:45] Voice 21: So, you know, that's of some relevance, but not a basis for decision.

[4:55:52] Voice 21: But my question here is, my main question is a different topic.

[4:55:57] Voice 21: In our case, for example, as with many other people, you'll have people who come for a week in the summer in July or something and say, oh, I instantly want to book for next year.

[4:56:08] Voice 21: So we don't let people do that.

[4:56:10] Voice 21: We open it up at the end of August.

[4:56:12] Voice 21: And by the end of the first week of September, you know, we have five people who have plunked down $10,000 way early to hold their places for next year.

[4:56:22] Voice 21: So I'm concerned about the date of adoption of bylaws and planning for that.

[4:56:28] Voice 21: I mean, if we have, as other people will, contracts set up in September,

[4:56:32] Voice 21: we can't have something happening in the next year that's going to be breaking that, right?

[4:56:39] Voice 21: That's going to be very problematic.

[4:56:41] Voice 21: And so I wonder if either in the bylaws there can be an explicit delay to next season,

[4:56:51] Voice 21: if it's going to overlap that period i'm just concerned about date of adoption being instantly

[4:56:56] Voice 21: the date of implementation so i don't really know who to ask that question maybe you sonya

[4:57:07] Voice 9: so the ideas that have already been tossed around around this is that there would be a

[4:57:11] Voice 9: matching of temporary use permit applications if this were to proceed to adoption by a certain

[4:57:17] Voice 9: date so obviously if the bylaws were adopted just months before that certain date that's not enough

[4:57:22] enough

[4:57:22] Voice 9: time to give a community a chance to prepare for an application that they weren't expecting or

[4:57:26] Voice 9: might not have all the information for. So although the bylaws in effect, there's nothing

[4:57:32] Voice 9: preventing the local trust committee from identifying an aspect of the land use bylaw that

[4:57:37] Voice 9: is going to be subject to a different phasing in. So there could be a grace period depending on

[4:57:44] Voice 9: whether or not they keep the May to September, for example, or when the bylaw gets adopted. So

[4:57:49] Voice 9: So

[4:57:50] Voice 10: that

[4:57:51] Voice 9: political input for the politicians is important to convey, but from a technical

[4:57:56] Voice 9: perspective of staff, we would already be looking ahead once we see that we're getting

[4:58:00] Voice 9: closer to a potential adoption date is how does this impact the ability for the first

[4:58:05] Voice 9: round of applicants to actually reasonably have enough time to make an application and

[4:58:10] Voice 9: prepare a package for submission and have staff review those packages and have them

[4:58:15] Voice 9: issued presented to the local trust committee and issued before the season starts so that wasn't

[4:58:23] Voice 9: part of the presentation but those are all conversations logistically that are happening

[4:58:26] Voice 9: in the background if this file proceeds post public hearing those types of pieces need to

[4:58:31] Voice 9: be worked out and for sure the elected officials can establish a grace period to ensure there's no

[4:58:36] Voice 9: hardship for people to scramble to come into compliance this

[4:58:42] Voice 10: is also after the final final

[4:58:48] Voice 9: there's only one approval yeah adoption

[4:58:55] Voice 9: the chances of this bylaw being adopted before the fall elections are very slim

[4:59:04] Voice 21: Okay, thank you. So my request, and finally, would be to, you know, let the temporary use permit to take care of things that are not in compliance. I mean, those 6,000 people aren't all from those 80-odd registry houses.

[4:59:20] Voice 21: So I would highly encourage you to increase that number and let the legislation and follow-up from community support against people who are violating things, take

[4:59:31] Voice 11: care of that.

[4:59:45] Voice 11: Following along on the election question, what happens to this bylaw and the proposals

[4:59:53] Voice 11: in the event of an election?

[4:59:56] Voice 11: Does it just pick up where we left off?

[5:00:00] Voice 9: demands

[5:00:01] Voice 11: so

[5:00:03] Voice 9: that's democracy right you can have a project that's not finished and an election

[5:00:08] Voice 9: triggers a whole new approach to doing business for your community and so the risk is there that's

[5:00:16] Voice 9: why we don't like having bylaws this close to adoption in an election year because it poses

[5:00:21] Voice 9: a lot of risk to the community a lot of uncertainty there's been a lot of time and energy and money

[5:00:26] Voice 9: spent um getting to the stage and it could be undone after the election so the whole

[5:00:35] nuance is that hopefully this doesn't become the election issue that the only reason people

[5:00:41] are running is to address this particular issue

[5:00:44] Voice 9: but that we've seen that happen so there's no

[5:00:47] Voice 9: legitimate risk and so we have to be transparent about the fact that these bylaws are not

[5:00:53] Voice 9: protected after an election. They could change dramatically, they could be adopted as is,

[5:00:58] Voice 9: they could be shelved, a whole project could be shelved and a whole new

[5:01:03] Voice 9: sort of priority is funded and supplied with resources in the form of staff to do whatever

[5:01:10] Voice 9: work we're directed to do. So that's why we're anxious to see if we can get bylaws to a certain

[5:01:17] Voice 9: stage and really have that justification and community support for the bylaws in whatever

[5:01:22] Voice 9: reform they're at because that trickle effect into the elections and who gets voted in and

[5:01:27] Voice 9: who ends up being in power could help secure that direction if it's supported by the community as

[5:01:34] Voice 9: well

[5:01:38] Voice 17: does

[5:01:43] Voice 9: anybody at the islands trust considered a plan or a plan if we might become the 51st state

[5:01:59] Voice 9: and it

[5:02:00] Voice 17: might not be

[5:02:01] Voice 9: so funny folks i know it sounds funny but i don't think it's so funny

[5:02:08] Voice 9: anymore and so we're spending a lot of time which is fine but

[5:02:15] Voice 17: has the island's trust

[5:02:21] Voice 17: just thought about it for us a little bit.

[5:02:26] Voice 9: You know, I think we have to leave the powers, the federal and provincial powers,

[5:02:32] Voice 9: that we consider those issues.

[5:02:36] Voice 11: I

[5:02:37] Voice 9: don't think we can do that here.

[5:02:39] Voice 10: I just was asking if that had been forethought.

[5:02:42] Voice 10: Well, I mean,

[5:02:44] Voice 4: we're all concerned about that, everybody in the room, one way or the other.

[5:02:47] Voice 4: But I don't think a local trust committee or a trust

[5:02:53] Voice 11: council can unless you've

[5:02:56] Voice 11: got some

[5:02:57] Voice 11: wisdom on that.

[5:03:00] Voice 11: Your Spain is nice.

[5:03:03] Voice 10: I had another

[5:03:05] Voice 9: question that's really different.

[5:03:08] Voice 9: I was wondering if the Islands Trust has ever devised a way of addressing how much water

[5:03:15] Voice 9: people pull from their individual wells.

[5:03:21] Voice 8: The number I heard is 35 gallons per person per day, that's river.

[5:03:27] Voice 10: And how is that monitored?

[5:03:32] Voice 9: Does anybody know?

[5:03:37] Voice 9: There's a difference

[5:03:38] Voice 9: between the data that the province uses in terms of what

[5:03:41] Voice 9: the actual use is, could use in a rural context,

[5:03:44] Voice 9: so it's ground water dependent versus the actual data.

[5:03:47] Voice 9: data. So unless you're monitoring your well, you don't know. So how could we know? So well

[5:03:53] Voice 9: monitoring is something that the province is encouraging people to do so that you have

[5:03:57] Voice 9: a sense of how much water you use. And then eventually we might know too. But for now,

[5:04:01] Voice 9: unless you have a water license, because you're a commercial user and you're required to move

[5:04:08] Voice 9: towards monitoring and tracking, residential use is not monitored. So there has to be broad

[5:04:14] Voice 9: assumptions made based on a number of factors that the province has set up for those folks that do

[5:04:19] Voice 9: that for us and those numbers are usually quite high in terms of the number of leaders per person

[5:04:25] Voice 9: per day in a rural context so we have to keep that in mind that usually we're much more water

[5:04:30] Voice 9: conscious and conservative those of us with the island than what the province needs us to be but

[5:04:35] Voice 9: those conservative numbers are there for a reason i imagine to help guide decision making so if you

[5:04:41] Voice 9: buy a little piece of property because there's a lot of water on it and then you actually draw

[5:04:48] Voice 9: a lot more than that quantity

[5:04:50] Voice 10: because you are producer running a commercial

[5:04:55] Voice 10: business

[5:04:55] Voice 9: who's monitoring that you have a commercial license to withdraw that water

[5:05:02] Voice 9: Oh, I see a shed.

[5:05:04] Voice 17: Okay, thank you.

[5:05:17] Voice 19: So thank you for the presentation

[5:05:20] Voice 19: and for the opportunity to ask questions.

[5:05:25] Voice 19: And I have three questions.

[5:05:30] Voice 19: One's very short.

[5:05:31] Voice 19: Is the PowerPoint that you gave,

[5:05:33] Voice 19: is that available somewhere we can find that?

[5:05:35] Voice 9: Yeah, it'll be posted to the project website

[5:05:37] Voice 9: where we have all the background materials

[5:05:40] Voice 9: for this project today.

[5:05:41] Voice 9: Okay, thank you.

[5:05:43] Voice 19: uh second um i'd be interested in the rationale for restricting short-term rentals from

[5:05:50] Voice 19: may through september why those months so back in 2008

[5:05:59] Voice 9: i think that's when that discussion started

[5:06:03] Voice 9: happening in the community that was the recommendation at the time from the community

[5:06:07] Voice 9: that it'd be restricted to those months um you know i'm a little bit out of touch with uh all

[5:06:13] the work that went into the justification

[5:06:14] Voice 9: for it being strictly summer to give residential

[5:06:18] Voice 9: neighborhoods a break the rest of the year so that that wasn't the case but there's probably

[5:06:24] Voice 9: folks in this room who are part of that discussion way back when they might be able to take that but

[5:06:29] Voice 9: this was the original discussion that's been in the bylaws ever since well

[5:06:34] Voice 19: my understanding was

[5:06:35] Voice 19: said that the proposal was for five months and they didn't specify from may till september

[5:06:43] Voice 19: the current regulations to me right so why those five months that's that's the

[5:06:49] Voice 9: question yeah it

[5:06:50] Voice 9: was a community direction it was not political it was those bylaws that were originally drafted for

[5:06:54] Voice 9: this community were a result of an enormous amount of work on the part of your advisory planning

[5:07:00] commission at that time and community such as this

[5:07:03] Voice 9: uh those draft bylaws are really a result

[5:07:07] Voice 9: of all these discussions over multiple multiple years okay

[5:07:12] Voice 19: so final question i'd be interested in

[5:07:14] Voice 19: in hearing what the capacity is of the the trust committee to manage 65 temporary use permit

[5:07:24] Voice 19: permit applications within a timely fashion.

[5:07:29] Voice 19: This is going to be a huge amount of work.

[5:07:32] Voice 19: And you said earlier that the trustees were going to be doing this work

[5:07:36] Voice 19: themselves. Is there going to be staff support for that?

[5:07:39] Voice 19: Absolutely. So the

[5:07:40] Voice 9: decision lies with your elected officials.

[5:07:43] Voice 9: All the processing as it is now today, if you apply for an application,

[5:07:47] Voice 9: they're not processing the application.

[5:07:50] Voice 9: It's presented to them in a public meeting. It's on an agenda.

[5:07:53] Voice 9: And what we're discussing is that these would have to be batched so that all applications for temporary use permits for vacation rentals must be received by the state.

[5:08:02] Voice 9: Everybody submits those applications.

[5:08:04] Voice 9: We have them all.

[5:08:05] Voice 9: We have a crackerjack team of planners who are going to dive into those and make sure that the reports are ready, the draft permits are made, the notifications all out, and they're all batched at the same time.

[5:08:16] Voice 9: And then the locally elected officials have to have a business meeting.

[5:08:20] Voice 9: basically we're assuming it would probably be just to look at issuance of those permits no

[5:08:26] Voice 9: other business on the agenda that day except for issuance of permits by a certain time so all the

[5:08:31] Voice 19: permits that we're um applied for would be considered at the same time that's what we're

[5:08:37] Voice 9: expecting or that or together in a close enough period of time that they're all issued within the

[5:08:42] Voice 9: same time frame so there's no surprises so it's been done before we get high volumes of

[5:08:48] Voice 9: applications no nothing like that of course but um our manager for the northern office we do five

[5:08:54] Voice 9: other local trust committees worth of applications as well not just for me obviously

[5:08:59] Voice 9: is considering if this gets adopted what does that mean for our office and what's that for

[5:09:04] Voice 9: staffing and it's it's a temporary glitch in terms of the need and then it drops off again

[5:09:09] Voice 9: so we look at contract planners we look at all kinds of things but it is doable and

[5:09:15] Voice 19: i and i get

[5:09:15] Voice 19: that but i just i'm struggling to understand given that the trustees will know many of these people

[5:09:23] Voice 19: how they're going to decide who's in

[5:09:25] Voice 10: and yes yes based on the rules well what

[5:09:33] Voice 22: if there are more

[5:09:33] Voice 10: than

[5:09:33] Voice 9: that so just to interject before yeah it becomes a conversation is if there's a chance

[5:09:42] Voice 9: that we get 150 applications and every single one of them meets every single guideline in the

[5:09:48] Voice 9: temporary experiment exactly so that is absolutely a reality that there will not be any guns in the

[5:09:55] Voice 9: pile

[5:09:55] Voice 10: and the

[5:09:58] Voice 9: trust committee is going to be advised to that as staff if they put a cap in

[5:10:03] Voice 9: the land use bylaw as staff we have to say you put the cap in here's 150 applications that meet

[5:10:09] Voice 9: each every single guideline there has to be an opportunity to figure out is this a lottery now

[5:10:16] Voice 9: is it based on date of application what are the parameters so that's the piece that has to be

[5:10:23] Voice 9: vetted as part of this process so that in public hearing everybody's clear if this gets adopted as

[5:10:29] Voice 9: is how does this work and that piece knowing

[5:10:32] Voice 10: what those criteria are going to be very important

[5:10:35] Voice 10: Correct.

[5:10:36] Voice 17: And right now, as it stands, there is no criteria.

[5:10:44] Voice 17: Exactly.

[5:10:44] Voice 17: Right now, there's no by-law.

[5:10:46] Voice 9: There's a by-law with no cap in it on the table right now.

[5:10:50] Voice 9: The way the by-law is drafted right now as a proposed by-law does not contain a cap.

[5:10:55] Voice 9: The cap is a discussion that the Local Trust Committee today in their business meeting reintroduced the notion that there would be a potential cap inserted, but it hasn't been.

[5:11:06] Voice 9: And

[5:11:06] Voice 15: reduced it from previous discussions.

[5:11:09] Voice 9: yes okay thank you um i was asking for a clarification i understood from what you

[5:11:16] Voice 9: said earlier that one of the criteria considered for granting permits would be complaints from

[5:11:23] Voice 9: neighbors is that accurate so in in the guidelines there's nothing about you know has this property

[5:11:34] Voice 9: been subject to complaints from neighbors there's nothing in the bylaw like that however uh so i

[5:11:43] Voice 9: I guess in a staff report and staff analysis,

[5:11:45] Voice 9: we do have a section in every staff report

[5:11:46] Voice 9: that you can pay attention to our staff reports.

[5:11:49] Voice 9: Usually it has bylaw implications

[5:11:51] Voice 9: or bylaw enforcement as a heading and subheading.

[5:11:55] Voice 9: So if there was relevant information about

[5:11:56] Voice 9: there's an active bylaw enforcement file for this property,

[5:12:00] Voice 9: that might be taken into consideration

[5:12:02] Voice 9: by the local trust committee

[5:12:03] Voice 9: as to whether or not a permit should be issued.

[5:12:06] Voice 9: If it's trying to come into compliance,

[5:12:08] Voice 9: that's one thing,

[5:12:09] Voice 9: but if certain issues haven't been addressed,

[5:12:11] Voice 9: perhaps that would be that would be brought into question and my name is jane banks and

[5:12:25] Voice 9: okay my name is jane banks and um we've had property here for the last 26 years

[5:12:31] Voice 9: and that we've been here for the last 65 years but just to thank you for putting so much energy

[5:12:38] Voice 9: and heart and to kind of protect the island

[5:12:41] Voice 9: um and i think i like the idea of caps i don't know what

[5:12:46] Voice 9: the number should or would be but i'm curious is how you would enforce that when there is such a

[5:12:52] Voice 9: burgeoning demand from british colombians to come here and this is you know a provincial park and

[5:12:59] Voice 9: like would you be stopping people at the ferries or are you thinking of hotels or

[5:13:06] Voice 9: like what would happen like

[5:13:10] Voice 10: you would have

[5:13:10] Voice 9: to have a like a ticket to get on the island or something

[5:13:17] Voice 10: no

[5:13:17] Voice 9: okay no like any

[5:13:19] Voice 9: community i mean there's no age right and people typically won't come

[5:13:23] Voice 9: and make that big sense of coming i guess unless they have a sense of there's no place to stay but

[5:13:28] Voice 9: It just seems like these short-term rentals are probably the least intrusive way of accommodating people.

[5:13:37] Voice 9: And the other question that I had, because there was the discussion about the effects of, you know,

[5:13:42] Voice 9: faulty septics on the environment and whatnot.

[5:13:45] Voice 9: Is there anything being done to, or I don't even know how it's done,

[5:13:51] Voice 9: to monitor bilge that's being dropped off from the voters and whatnot in Tripping Bay?

[5:13:59] 79 boats out there in the summer and I don't know um how safe it is for swimmers

[5:14:07] Voice 9: I don't know if

[5:14:08] Voice 9: they're just you know dropping to waste

[5:14:13] Voice 9: no not by the island's trust if the provincial government's doing water quality testing in any

[5:14:18] Voice 9: areas of the Salish Sea that might show up as an area just because it's so popular but no we don't

[5:14:23] Voice 9: I'm doing testing of the marine waters.

[5:14:26] Voice 9: Okay.

[5:14:27] Voice 9: But we will say, just as a side note, the Islands Trust Conservancy is the conservation branch of the Islands Trust.

[5:14:34] Voice 9: They're very interested in what's called the circle of death from these moorage buoys, right?

[5:14:38] Voice 9: The chains that are dragging.

[5:14:39] Voice 9: They scour the ocean floor and they create literally satellite imagery, these circles of nothingness.

[5:14:46] Voice 9: Buoyed areas where all the vegetation and eelgrass is missing.

[5:14:49] Voice 9: and so we are interested in the density of moorage in these sensitive ecosystems because

[5:14:55] Voice 9: it has such a detrimental impact and people aren't using the chain floats which we cannot regulate.

[5:15:00] Voice 9: We would love to force people to use chain floats to get those things off the floor of the ocean but

[5:15:07] Voice 9: jurisdictional issues.

[5:15:11] Voice 10: I have two

[5:15:12] Voice 21: questions, one on zoning and the other on timing.

[5:15:17] Voice 21: My

[5:15:18] Voice 8: understanding is that the current short-term rental by-law applies only to residential

[5:15:24] Voice 8: zones and not to agricultural zones, is that correct?

[5:15:27] Voice 9: That is correct.

[5:15:30] Voice 9: Is it also correct then, sorry?

[5:15:32] Voice 9: Yes, because, sorry, go ahead.

[5:15:38] Voice 12: Well, if the

[5:15:39] Voice 8: by-law fails to pass by the election, does that mean that agricultural areas will

[5:15:45] Voice 8: be exempt from short-term rental restrictions?

[5:15:50] Voice 17: No, I guess the by-law doesn't. If this one dies, if these by-laws

[5:16:03] Voice 17: don't get adopted,

[5:16:09] Voice 17: the default

[5:16:10] Voice 9: is we use what we've got, which is an OCP and a land use by-law that are strongly

[5:16:15] Voice 9: in effect and permit this use outright in all residential zones.

[5:16:18] Voice 8: No, but

[5:16:19] Voice 9: agricultural zones

[5:16:20] Voice 8: are exempt

[5:16:20] Voice 9: from restrictions, as I understand it.

[5:16:23] Voice 9: Well, they're subject to other restrictions.

[5:16:25] Voice 9: Yes, but on short-term rentals.

[5:16:27] Voice 9: So in the ALR, for example, you can't operate a short-term vacation rental.

[5:16:32] Voice 9: You can have residential use and your farm use,

[5:16:36] Voice 9: and you can do agritourism activities,

[5:16:38] Voice 9: and we're just discussing agritourism accommodation in the future.

[5:16:43] Voice 8: Okay, that's partial clarification.

[5:16:46] Voice 8: Now the question is on timing.

[5:16:48] Voice 8: Do we have to get qualified professionals to do assessments that you're asking for?

[5:16:53] Voice 17: And you've got 65 or 100?

[5:16:58] Voice 17: or whatever who are looking for similar qualified professionals that's going to take

[5:17:02] Voice 8: a lot of time

[5:17:03] Voice 8: to get qualified professionals so how how much grace time would the

[5:17:08] Voice 10: trustees

[5:17:11] Voice 10: give so that people can legitimately make a valid application

[5:17:14] Voice 9: yeah and that's a great question

[5:17:17] Voice 9: because that decision hasn't been made the bylaws if they were to be adopted that's exactly the next

[5:17:23] Voice 9: step is that we're just going to need to communicate out here are the implications of the bylaws

[5:17:28] Voice 9: us and the analysis has been done to determine that this is the best way forward to introduce

[5:17:33] Voice 9: this to the community so i would hope that the local trust committee would be understanding that

[5:17:39] Voice 9: that first year is an incredibly important time to allow everybody to get their data get get their

[5:17:44] Voice 9: applications ready for potentially the next season but it's up to the elected officials to decide how

[5:17:50] Voice 9: they want to enact so

[5:17:52] Voice 8: there's two time periods there's a time period to prepare an application

[5:17:55] Voice 8: there's a second time period to adjudicate an application that's

[5:18:00] Voice 9: going to take a lot of time

[5:18:18] Voice 9: it's hard for me to speak in witness i've just got some notes but i i have some

[5:18:22] Voice 9: my name's marcy um i have a couple questions um so there's been no discussion today on the

[5:18:31] Voice 9: difference between bylaws for permanent residents and non-permanent residents so will there be a

[5:18:40] Voice 9: difference so currently there is no difference in these proposed bylaws between a title holder

[5:18:49] Voice 9: that is a permanent resident this is their principal residence there's no other addresses

[5:18:54] Voice 9: associated to them where they live versus folks where this is not their principal residence it

[5:19:00] Voice 9: second or third or fourth property so there's no distinction between those two opportunities

[5:19:05] Voice 9: and whether or not a temporary use permit should apply to all or just those who are not permanent

[5:19:10] Voice 9: residents those are all options that have been discussed in the community have been brought up

[5:19:14] Voice 9: through various forms of recommendations and pieces but these bylaws do not reflect a distinction

[5:19:19] Voice 9: between them okay so i just want to share a bit of confusion that i've had around that because i

[5:19:26] Voice 9: I was trying to find the definition of a permanent resident and where your principal residence is it

[5:19:32] Voice 9: doesn't say ever that it's where you claim your taxes it used to be identified principal residence

[5:19:38] Voice 9: is the home an individual lives in for a longer period during the calendar year than any other

[5:19:44] Voice 9: place when I searched a week ago it said that BC uh the short-term rental definition um the

[5:19:52] Voice 9: definition now is a principal residence a principal residence is the usual place where an

[5:19:57] Voice 9: individual makes their home so in my situation um i've always defined myself as living between

[5:20:04] Voice 9: vancouver and portly and i actually wrote down for every single day in 2025 my life is divided

[5:20:12] Voice 9: into three for me vancouver and the rest of the globe and i actually have the most days

[5:20:19] Voice 9: between the rest of the globe isn't the majority but my actual sleep nights i spend more time

[5:20:26] Voice 9: than vancouver so if that is part of the definition

[5:20:31] Voice 9: but what

[5:20:33] Voice 10: does that mean where do i where do i

[5:20:36] Voice 10: fall so

[5:20:39] Voice 9: so that's just if that's in the definition of how to suddenly find it and also um another thing is

[5:20:48] Voice 9: is I volunteer two days a week with the Harvey Denman Health Society.

[5:20:53] Voice 9: If I can't stay on my property,

[5:20:56] Voice 9: because I think one of the differences was that permanent residents

[5:20:58] Voice 9: could stay on their property during rentals,

[5:21:02] Voice 9: and if you're not a permanent resident, you can't stay on your property.

[5:21:07] Voice 9: That was one of the first changes.

[5:21:09] Voice 9: I haven't seen anything about that, to just stay on your property or not.

[5:21:13] Voice 9: But I volunteer two days a month on Fridays,

[5:21:16] Voice 9: and that's why I was at the meeting this morning

[5:21:18] Voice 9: to do the volunteer stuff

[5:21:19] Voice 9: I'll have to give up my volunteering

[5:21:21] Voice 9: if I can't stay in my property

[5:21:24] Voice 9: so I just

[5:21:26] Voice 9: I have a question

[5:21:34] Voice 19: about the applications

[5:21:37] Voice 19: if we have someone who

[5:21:39] Voice 19: meets all the requirements

[5:21:41] Voice 19: but is denied

[5:21:43] Voice 19: will they be receiving a written explanation

[5:21:46] Voice 19: or

[5:21:46] Voice 19: or also will there be an opportunity for an appeal or to be put on a waiting list

[5:21:54] Voice 19: i'm not sure how this is all going to work

[5:21:57] Voice 9: yeah and this is still early days for those logistics

[5:22:01] Voice 9: to be flushed out so i appreciate the

[5:22:03] Voice 17: frustration where we should have this information perhaps

[5:22:11] Voice 17: available that

[5:22:11] Voice 9: we don't if you apply for an application like today we had a development

[5:22:15] Voice 9: variance permit application for the co-op it was approved by your elected officials i don't

[5:22:20] Voice 9: the applicant immediately in the meeting because they weren't there that's what they got in writing

[5:22:25] Voice 9: then they get the actual permit so they get a copy of the permit if it was denied they would

[5:22:31] Voice 9: have the planner assigned to their file just let them know your application was denied your

[5:22:34] Voice 9: your file's being closed that's it that's the extent of the communication there isn't you know

[5:22:39] if there was a resolution that was passed that gives a specific clarification as to why the

[5:22:44] application was denied we include that in our correspondence with the applicant

[5:22:49] Voice 9: um so that's the current process that we're using to be transparent with people who may or may not

[5:22:54] Voice 9: be at the meetings and want to understand what the discussion was the minute meetings

[5:22:59] Voice 9: also are a bit of a record sometimes of some of the discussion between the elected officials

[5:23:02] Voice 9: about the merits of the proposal so those would likely be the types of things that we look at

[5:23:09] Voice 9: is it but a bit more streamlined because of course even though every application is going to have to

[5:23:14] Voice 9: be reviewed if the staff recommendations are that all of these you know this 10 this block of 10

[5:23:21] Voice 9: in this area or beyond meet all the requirements the local trust committee's resolution would be

[5:23:28] Voice 9: there'd be 10 separate resolutions to issue a permit for this pid this pid that and then for

[5:23:34] Voice 9: ones that don't yeah we would anticipate that there would be some follow-up as to what parameters

[5:23:40] Voice 9: were not met or what the criteria was but we don't have that yet um would the trust consider primary

[5:23:51] Voice 9: residents to be exempt from the tup or if not then exempt from the cap and would they consider

[5:23:59] Voice 9: solutions like composting toilets so that compliance works for people across all income levels

[5:24:12] Voice 9: yeah that's a great question

[5:24:13] Voice 9: because it's definitely been

[5:24:17] Voice 9: considered by the local trust committee and this rendition

[5:24:19] Voice 9: of the bylaw like i say does not incorporate any of those pieces but

[5:24:41] Voice 10: so

[5:24:43] Voice 17: i was the first question to carol i'm

[5:24:46] Voice 9: wondering if primary residents

[5:24:48] Voice 9: exempt from the TUP, or if not, then it might be exempt from the cap.

[5:24:54] Voice 21: Yeah, that's something we haven't discussed yet in terms of, I talked to Sonia earlier regarding in terms of a temporary use permit,

[5:25:05] Voice 21: what kind of boxes we're going to put in there to be ticked off or not ticked off, and we haven't even got there yet.

[5:25:11] Voice 21: So that will be a discussion that will follow.

[5:25:14] Voice 21: Thank you. The

[5:25:15] Voice 9: other question was in regards to composting toilets.

[5:25:22] Voice 9: I

[5:25:22] Voice 21: think it's a great idea, but I'm not sure how commercial rentals will fit into that.

[5:25:28] Voice 21: Are they allowed to have composty toilets?

[5:25:30] Voice 21: I'm not sure.

[5:25:31] Voice 9: Even given our water problems?

[5:25:34] Voice 21: Yeah, even that.

[5:25:35] Voice 21: I mean, I do have something that counts.

[5:25:38] Voice 21: I was going to share some E. coli stats I just got from the Water Stewardship Group just moments ago.

[5:25:44] Voice 21: I have to get my hand on.

[5:25:44] Voice 21: Tom, where are we getting all these water stats from?

[5:25:57] Voice 21: Well, we do have this amazing group called the Water Stewardship Group.

[5:26:01] Voice 21: So I just wanted to share what Darren said.

[5:26:09] Voice 9: So

[5:26:09] Voice 21: looking at our pilot of water testing service over the past 18 months,

[5:26:13] Voice 21: we're continuing to see high percentages of resident samples of total

[5:26:16] Voice 21: coliform, 59% since beginning of service, and E. coli, 10%.

[5:26:23] Voice 21: We believe that some kind of incentive rebate

[5:26:25] Voice 21: from the regional district

[5:26:27] Voice 21: or provincial government would help low-income

[5:26:29] Voice 21: residents fix their septic situation

[5:26:31] Voice 21: or at least buy a UV filter to help

[5:26:33] Voice 21: keep their kids healthy.

[5:26:35] Voice 21: They're also trying

[5:26:36] Voice 21: to get a...

[5:26:36] Voice 21: They do water testing and

[5:26:39] Voice 21: they're $12 short. They charge

[5:26:41] Voice 21: $45, maybe more, so they're looking at getting

[5:26:43] Voice 21: some support from the

[5:26:45] Voice 21: provincial community gaming organization.

[5:26:48] Voice 21: So anyways, what I'm saying is that

[5:26:50] Voice 21: there is septic issues

[5:26:51] Voice 21: out there, especially if they're denser

[5:26:54] Voice 21: neighborhoods and also we're hearing from the world that it's going to be the hottest summer

[5:26:59] Voice 21: ever this year concerned

[5:27:12] Voice 11: about uh enforcement if you have a bylaw enforcement sort of control

[5:27:19] over the situation in uh our situation here um if you don't register your property i guess you're

[5:27:26] You're not going to buy a lot.

[5:27:28] And

[5:27:28] Voice 11: so you just get out.

[5:27:29] Voice 11: And apparently, there's about 50% of our short-term rentals

[5:27:35] that are not registered.

[5:27:37] So how do we deal with that?

[5:27:39] The other thing, too, is that if

[5:27:41] Voice 11: we're going to make applications

[5:27:42] Voice 11: to get our place registered,

[5:27:47] Voice 11: I'd want to know how much I have to give as a bribe

[5:27:51] Voice 11: to our local representatives.

[5:27:54] Voice 11: and can i get on the board so i can make money doing that as well there's so many holes in this

[5:28:00] Voice 11: thing unless there's some way to enforce this and have some sort of standard that we can trust

[5:28:05] yeah i don't see how it's going to work at all well

[5:28:12] Voice 15: the trust does have a file enforcement team

[5:28:17] Voice 15: and one of the ways they come up with there's two ways they can come up with somebody

[5:28:22] Voice 15: that they'll put you on a list of potential non-compliance.

[5:28:27] Voice 15: One is they can go on the web,

[5:28:29] Voice 15: they can see when you've put your place up for rental.

[5:28:34] Voice 15: So as was discussed earlier, there's this window,

[5:28:39] Voice 15: whether it's five months when you can rent your place.

[5:28:47] Voice 15: Now, I often wonder how that made sense

[5:28:49] Voice 15: when we got the um you know we had the music fest goes on in may we got christmas so i mean

[5:28:56] Voice 15: the other way is neighbors um complain and if the violence if they get one complaint they probably

[5:29:05] Voice 15: won't do anything but if they get two or three and you get a few people complain then the vital

[5:29:10] Voice 15: enforcement people will issue a notice and they'll have someone come around and check it out so those

[5:29:17] Voice 15: are the two ways that the vital enforcement people within the islands trust will

[5:29:27] Voice 10: check out make sure

[5:29:28] Voice 10: we are living within the

[5:29:30] Voice 11: violence that brings up the last part of the equation that i see

[5:29:34] Voice 11: and that is if um i threaten my neighbors and tell them i'm going to do bad things to them

[5:29:38] Voice 11: if they report me can i

[5:29:41] Voice 17: get away with it the fact is it's happening to me right now i'm being

[5:29:49] Voice 17: threatened as a rental that's not from

[5:29:52] Voice 11: what i can tell legal i have no idea how that would work

[5:30:00] Voice 17: the ways that the islands trust them i think it's called animals three or four years ago

[5:30:09] Voice 17: and um and

[5:30:11] Voice 10: people have accepted it because you've got to have some complaint

[5:30:14] Voice 10: see that

[5:30:15] Voice 15: people are complying with what's what's what to use that rules right yeah so anyway

[5:30:21] Voice 11: and is there a mechanism to actually uh pay for people to enforce these bylaw enforcement officers

[5:30:29] Voice 11: well they get paid by the trust is there not money coming in to pay them

[5:30:36] Voice 8: there's where your tax dollars go i'm

[5:30:39] Voice 4: talking about uh

[5:30:39] Voice 4: history of

[5:30:41] Voice 11: short-term rentals do they pay their own way or

[5:30:45] Voice 17: am i paying it as somebody who goes

[5:30:48] Voice 17: here through my taxes what history

[5:30:59] Voice 11: does is that's their business so people who make money

[5:31:03] Voice 11: don't actually have to pay for what it costs to enforce the bylaws that they're breaking.

[5:31:08] Voice 11: Is that what you're saying?

[5:31:15] Voice 8: You pay taxes based on your, you know, you've got your property assessment

[5:31:19] Voice 8: and it's got, you've got a distrust in there someplace.

[5:31:24] Voice 4: Don't look too far.

[5:31:25] Voice 4: But I

[5:31:26] Voice 11: pay the same as somebody who's renting and not renting.

[5:31:31] Voice 17: Good evening, everybody.

[5:31:41] Voice 15: My name is James Ingray.

[5:31:43] Voice 15: I'm a family physician based in the Comox Valley,

[5:31:47] Voice 11: I also

[5:31:50] Voice 15: do local work here

[5:31:53] Voice 15: at the Hormiana Clinic

[5:31:56] and I'm, just to give it kind of context in terms of you know my knowledge of healthcare provision,

[5:32:04] I'm the owner and medical director of the biggest clinic in Comox.

[5:32:08] We

[5:32:09] Voice 15: have 12,000 patients registered to us, many of whom in actual fact live on Hornby and Denwood.

[5:32:19] Voice 11: We have a property on Hornby. Some would

[5:32:24] Voice 15: dispute it, but it's certainly not our principal residence, but neither is it just Medication Medical.

[5:32:34] Voice 15: It's my residence when I come and work here at the clinic, and it's also the residence

[5:32:40] Voice 15: for other physicians who are doing local

[5:32:42] Voice 11: work when they come and work at the clinic.

[5:32:45] Voice 11: So I would be

[5:32:48] Voice 15: very careful to make an assumption that you need to be a permanent resident on

[5:32:54] Voice 15: Hornby to have a significant impact on the day-to-day lives of people on Hornby.

[5:33:00] Voice 15: um specific to the bylaws um i pretty much agree with the bylaws that were presented earlier on

[5:33:10] Voice 15: um i agree with the registration process that was new for 2025

[5:33:16] Voice 15: um and i agree with the restrictions that are being proposed or in place already

[5:33:20] Voice 15: for vacation rental properties um i would anticipate attendance this evening

[5:33:29] Voice 15: is mainly around the proposed cap

[5:33:33] Voice 11: which we've been kind

[5:33:38] Voice 15: of reassured that there is no cap in

[5:33:40] Voice 15: place

[5:33:40] Voice 11: presently it certainly sounds to me that there's every contention to implement a cap

[5:33:50] Voice 11: you know what I've what I've done through running a clinic

[5:33:58] Voice 15: running a patient list

[5:33:59] Voice 15: has really been done

[5:34:01] Voice 15: grounded in what's fair

[5:34:02] Voice 15: and I think

[5:34:05] Voice 15: we're potentially setting up a process

[5:34:07] Voice 15: with a cap

[5:34:08] Voice 11: that is fundamentally unfair

[5:34:11] Voice 10: you're

[5:34:12] Voice 11: creating problems for

[5:34:13] Voice 11: yourselves

[5:34:15] Voice 17: any cap that just clearly is not

[5:34:17] Voice 17: data

[5:34:19] Voice 17: decided by what is the

[5:34:25] Voice 17: what outcome

[5:34:28] Voice 17: measures are going to be moved forward

[5:34:30] Voice 17: to say well

[5:34:32] Voice 17: 25 we had

[5:34:38] Voice 17: 110 rentals in

[5:34:41] Voice 15: 2027 we got 65 rentals what are the measurements that the committee are going to

[5:34:48] Voice 15: be looking at in terms of the benefit that that has had because there's no data to support cap

[5:34:54] Voice 15: that they're proposing so in the interest of fairness there should be a grandfathering scheme

[5:35:01] Voice 15: look at who's registered their properties right now give them consideration um but the cap is

[5:35:08] Voice 15: just fundamentally you know that's the that's the elephant in the room we

[5:35:13] Voice 11: are

[5:35:20] Voice 9: certainly correct in

[5:35:22] Voice 9: saying that people are

[5:35:22] Voice 8: in this room because of the cap discussion

[5:35:24] Voice 8: i think that's fairly obvious

[5:35:28] Voice 8: but there's one thing i mean the province has brought this cap issue the one about principal

[5:35:35] Voice 8: residence i think is huge and it's not there right now um but i don't i don't think the

[5:35:41] Voice 8: province who have ultimate authority over

[5:35:43] Voice 15: both the elements trusted and local municipal government

[5:35:48] Voice 15: are going to leave hornby to be the only

[5:35:50] Voice 9: jurisdiction within the island's trust

[5:35:51] Voice 9: and all the way around this all the regional districts are going to leave it

[5:35:56] Voice 9: is the only place with no cap

[5:35:58] Voice 15: at all so i mean i think we we need a cap what that cap is

[5:36:03] Voice 15: is is what we're here to talk about now but personally um do i want to go around putting

[5:36:12] Voice 15: a cap and stopping what people do no but i also think if we don't put a cap on and the province

[5:36:19] Voice 15: puts a cap on i think they would look at the same things i described earlier

[5:36:24] Voice 8: but maybe i didn't do

[5:36:25] Voice 8: a very good job of it if we set ours at 65 or 85 or whatever this province could come around later

[5:36:32] Voice 8: and say that's just unreasonable for all the reasons I was trying to describe earlier.

[5:36:37] Voice 8: So what I said

[5:36:39] Voice 15: about a year or two ago when we started this discussion was

[5:36:42] Voice 15: if we can come up with a number on Hornby Island, the province will not bother us.

[5:36:49] Voice 15: The registered number is not too far away from the cap that you're wanting.

[5:36:55] Voice 15: It's a registered number. We're not miles apart.

[5:36:58] Voice 15: part of the

[5:37:01] Voice 7: conversation so i'm just gonna just to ask that

[5:37:04] Voice 4: you know you ask your questions over

[5:37:06] Voice 4: there and i just had one um piece that i wanted to add

[5:37:09] Voice 7: um because you

[5:37:11] Voice 7: specifically mentioned

[5:37:12] Voice 7: grandfathering and when this um when this local trust committee earlier in the term

[5:37:19] Voice 7: was looking at the short-term vacation rental issues um initially we thought that we might

[5:37:28] Voice 7: be able to grandfather existing ones and unfortunately the province has changed the rules and for

[5:37:35] Voice 7: short-term vacation rentals, grandfathering no longer exists.

[5:37:40] Voice 7: So that's when we had to go back to the growing board and look at the scheme that we're looking

[5:37:45] Voice 7: at now around temporary experiments.

[5:37:48] Voice 7: So there

[5:37:48] Voice 4: is no grandfathering for short-term vacation rentals.

[5:37:52] Voice 10: um

[5:38:02] Voice 9: i'm just speaking totally on a personal note i have a couple of questions regarding the cap

[5:38:08] Voice 9: obviously which is why we're all here um one of the the um the indications that i have is that

[5:38:15] Voice 9: when you talk about a number you're talking about a number of people that can rent

[5:38:20] Voice 9: or a number of homes that can rent between may 1st and september 30th am i correct

[5:38:25] Voice 9: So when you're looking at 65, potentially, you're assuming that those 65 people are going to have their homes available from May 1st to September 30th, is that correct?

[5:38:38] Voice 17: Right?

[5:38:39] Voice 9: So could you not then look at, if somebody was going to apply for a temporary use permit for six weeks of rental,

[5:38:46] Voice 9: could you not then look at that six weeks as six weeks out of the total number of weeks,

[5:38:51] Voice 9: And then ensure that the total number of weeks that are rented don't exceed 65 times the available weeks from May 1st to September 30th.

[5:39:01] Voice 9: Because when I look at other temporary use permits, they do ask the number of weeks you're going to rent.

[5:39:07] Voice 9: So, you know, like I know from our perspective at Wind and Waves, we don't have very many homes that rent from May 1st to September 30th.

[5:39:16] Voice 9: We have some homes that only rent for two weeks of the entire summer.

[5:39:19] Voice 9: and this temporary use permit is going to be excessively prohibitive for that two weeks

[5:39:26] Voice 9: that they would put their home because the temporary use permit fees

[5:39:31] Voice 9: on other gulf islands are like two thousand dollars plus so is that you know could that

[5:39:37] Voice 9: be considered

[5:39:39] Voice 10: so

[5:39:42] Voice 9: everybody wins you get your 65 total temporary use permits and we can actually

[5:39:48] Voice 9: make that up through the number of weeks that they're yeah i'm

[5:39:54] Voice 17: not sure if

[5:39:54] Voice 9: this already came

[5:39:55] Voice 9: up through the advisory planning commission recommendations that were pretty exhaustive

[5:39:59] Voice 9: in terms of looking at all the different options and ways to do this but that may or may not have

[5:40:05] Voice 9: been discussed at nauseam by the community but definitely it didn't land in the regulations

[5:40:11] Voice 9: that are drafted well i'm just

[5:40:13] Voice 9: speaking personally from my position with wind and waves and i just

[5:40:17] Voice 9: know from the number of homes that we rent that very few of them are available from May 1st to

[5:40:22] Voice 9: September 30th because their family is there that's

[5:40:25] Voice 21: right so a

[5:40:26] Voice 9: lot of people that rent their

[5:40:27] Voice 9: homes don't rent their homes like just rent their homes they live there for a good chunk of the

[5:40:33] Voice 9: summer so I just like like that taken into consideration one thing

[5:40:46] Voice 10: I wonder one thing I

[5:40:49] Voice 15: wonder about is I think you were alluding to I mentioned it earlier and I think you were getting

[5:40:54] Voice 15: into it there's how many weeks are there between may and five months times it could be 20 weeks

[5:41:02] Voice 9: between may and september so as i said earlier people want to rent and they want to come to

[5:41:10] Voice 9: ormondia christmas time to rent they want to come at different times of the year if we had

[5:41:15] Voice 15: some flexibility so that people could rent for not more than a certain number of days

[5:41:22] Voice 15: in a year, and they could choose when they want to do that, that would allow more flexibility

[5:41:30] Voice 15: around this time. The cap

[5:41:34] Voice 8: could be there for the next number of, the cap in other words

[5:41:37] Voice 8: would

[5:41:38] Voice 15: not stay 65 from May 1st to September, but it would be over the year.

[5:41:47] Voice 15: year i

[5:41:47] Voice 22: mean i understand

[5:41:49] Voice 9: that and that's a bit of a different point to what i'm trying to make

[5:41:52] Voice 9: which is the 65 if we're talking 65 it's not 65 renting from may 1st to september 30th it could

[5:42:00] Voice 9: be 80 homes making up that because some of them might only rent for two weeks or three weeks

[5:42:05] Voice 9: so could we not look at the applications individually and because like i know that

[5:42:12] Voice 9: some of our owners may only put in a temporary use permit for eight weeks of the year

[5:42:17] Voice 9: So that's not equal to somebody who's putting in a temporary use permit for 20 weeks, I don't think.

[5:42:23] Voice 9: So could we not look at that as an option to maybe meet in a minute?

[5:42:30] Voice 9: Just.

[5:42:49] Voice 9: i have a question about the number of units being rented and the registry

[5:42:57] Voice 9: and it seems that if there's 110 units advertising and only 87 operators registered

[5:43:06] Voice 9: registered

[5:43:06] Voice 21: that the provincial government is not doing correct enforcement because the law

[5:43:11] Voice 21: is very clear that if you're advertising, you need to be in that registry. So that would be

[5:43:19] Voice 21: a bit problematic, I think,

[5:43:21] Voice 9: as an indication of what enforcement looks like. Tim, when you said

[5:43:27] Voice 9: that your grandfathering has been outlawed, I think that's an independent issue from the cap

[5:43:32] Voice 9: number because a cap even if it were based upon grandfathering doesn't have

[5:43:37] Voice 9: to say grandfathering it can say there's a hundred and ten units the cap is going

[5:43:42] Voice 9: to be under ten minutes so it's a way of recognizing grandfathering without

[5:43:47] Voice 9: actually calling it that same name I had another question about 65 TUPs things

[5:43:56] Voice 21: other than vacation rentals get temporary use permits 65 TUPs on the

[5:44:01] Voice 21: island is that just the indication for vacation rentals or is that for all temporary use permits

[5:44:09] Voice 9: just for vacation rental use uh i thought that the comments that jakara made is are very important on

[5:44:19] Voice 9: hornby to different economic stratus so the requirements to have full-scale septic full-scale

[5:44:27] Voice 9: water um are a bit elitist on hornby um and there's a lot of uh innovation maybe rainwater

[5:44:36] Voice 9: collection composting toilets and that type of thing that the higher the standards you set

[5:44:43] Voice 9: the more people that you'll leave out on hornby who are vacation renting because they have to

[5:44:49] Voice 9: to survive to live here

[5:44:51] Voice 21: and i i don't think that we should overlook that that that's a historic

[5:44:57] Voice 21: thing. The people that talked about why just vacation rentals, I was shocked when those

[5:45:03] Voice 21: numbers were read about the E. coli that the water stewardship has presented, and this solution is

[5:45:09] Voice 21: not addressing that. All those other properties are not being looked at with this as the target

[5:45:16] Voice 21: solution. So I think that's really, really good data, and that there should be some acknowledgement

[5:45:24] Voice 21: much around

[5:45:24] Voice 9: that i've got

[5:45:28] Voice 21: a really messy notepad here and i really appreciated what you said grant

[5:45:35] Voice 21: about looking at other

[5:45:37] Voice 9: times of the year because that has been a very odd thing around that five

[5:45:41] Voice 9: months i think when it was originally introduced it was five months and state what your five months

[5:45:47] Voice 9: were going to be in state your time period and then it got targeted into the summer which creates

[5:45:52] Voice 9: it's a lot of hardship in some neighborhoods for some people if they've got a lot of vacation

[5:45:57] Voice 9: rentals around their residential use it's the time of year that they're outside time of year

[5:46:02] Voice 9: that they don't want their neighborhood to be quite so noisy in the winter everybody's inside

[5:46:05] Voice 9: is probably less relevant herring fest blues fest forest fest christmas these are all important

[5:46:15] Voice 9: times and people can't find places because i think generally with histra and with the gold

[5:46:21] Voice 9: standards that are being set that compliance has been very high but it's i think economically

[5:46:28] Voice 9: hurting hornby on that other seven months that there's such limited accommodation so i agree

[5:46:34] Voice 9: with angela that there's probably some kind of sharing opportunities where uh you know where

[5:46:40] Voice 9: the compromise lies so i think that's everything thank you okay my question

[5:46:45] Voice 9: follows one of um

[5:46:48] Voice 9: hearing statements than what previously made by someone else and that is um if we do allow

[5:46:53] Voice 9: rental space in weeks per year as opposed to a specific time how will that be reinforced how

[5:46:59] Voice 9: will that be monitored i think that's a huge job that means somebody's here all the time

[5:47:04] Voice 9: monitoring every single one that has a flexible thing and i think that's a real nightmare

[5:47:11] my

[5:47:20] Voice 10: name is ruse i've been a resident one since 1977 so i have a lot of

[5:47:25] Voice 9: changes and experience

[5:47:27] Voice 9: here i have a couple of very practical points which come from the um more or less as karen

[5:47:36] Voice 9: addressed the people who don't have tons of money the first question is where is your residence

[5:47:44] Voice 9: When you're a resident, it's when you proclaim your homeowner's grant.

[5:47:49] Voice 9: If you pay your homeowner's grant on a horny taxes, this is your principal residence.

[5:47:55] Voice 9: If you don't, then it is not.

[5:47:57] Voice 9: And I really believe that we have to make a difference or make a difference between the people who live here year round,

[5:48:05] Voice 9: who have to rent in summertime because since we moved here,

[5:48:09] Voice 9: The prices of everything, property, taxes, insurance have gone up like crazy.

[5:48:15] Voice 9: Nobody ever dreamt of them going like this.

[5:48:18] Voice 9: So we have to rent often in order to pay our taxes and our insurance and have enough money

[5:48:26] Voice 9: so we have a little bit of the luxury of the 40 hearing aids or a car or car insurances.

[5:48:32] Voice 9: to compare to the people who have this come here and they have this as a second or third home that

[5:48:40] Voice 9: means they have a home somewhere else so for them this is i would not call luxury but a special gift

[5:48:49] Voice 9: in their life but it's not a gift what is their only home so i think there should be made a

[5:48:56] Voice 9: difference when you look at the applications who you're going to give the permits to

[5:49:00] Voice 9: And the second point I have is there's a significant difference

[5:49:06] Voice 9: in the profit from some of the rental incomes.

[5:49:10] Voice 9: And where you suggested a fee, and I had the number from your numbers,

[5:49:15] Voice 9: like $2,282 in the beginning and then $743 to get the second one

[5:49:23] Voice 9: for your temporary use permit.

[5:49:26] Voice 9: For somebody who rents a house for $5,000 a week,

[5:49:30] Voice 9: that's about a half of one month income while for somebody who rents it for about 850 dollars and

[5:49:37] Voice 9: 900 dollars a week that's about a third of the whole summer income so i was wondering if you

[5:49:45] Voice 9: would be considering to have a sliding scale of or sliding rate for the permit what is directly

[5:49:53] Voice 9: directly connected to the rental income so it would be fair to everybody and that would address

[5:50:00] Voice 9: the people who rent only two or three weeks also and it's easy to prove how much your income is

[5:50:07] Voice 9: because you have to pay your eight and three percent taxes to the government for every time

[5:50:14] Voice 9: every penny you you get from your rental income so that's my input

[5:50:34] Voice 4: Is the Temporary Use Permit going to be $2,282?

[5:50:39] Voice 9: It's not been decided.

[5:50:41] Voice 9: It's said on your record somewhere, that's why I just grabbed the number.

[5:50:45] Voice 9: But it doesn't matter what the

[5:50:47] Voice 10: number is, it will still be the same column.

[5:50:50] Voice 10: You know, that's a high for $5,000 a week or $900 a week.

[5:50:55] Voice 10: There's a big difference, so you can make it equal.

[5:50:59] Voice 17: If there is a cap and you get 150 applicants and

[5:51:06] Voice 4: I don't get a TEP, do I get my application

[5:51:09] Voice 4: feedback?

[5:51:10] Voice 9: So how it works right now is if the application's been processed, there's been time to review

[5:51:17] Voice 9: it, evaluate it, and then the local trust committee's considered it and denied it, there's

[5:51:22] Voice 9: no return unless it's a restoring application and you didn't get to a public hearing.

[5:51:26] Voice 9: We give you that portion of that, for example.

[5:51:29] Voice 9: But the temporary use permit, this is different, because if it's a lottery base, then folks who don't get it legitimately could have if a number had been called, for example, and then of course the staff would be recommending those people get, they have to get a portion of their fees back because it wasn't something like a deficiency in the application that caused it to be

[5:51:49] Voice 10: denied, for example.

[5:51:51] Voice 9: so those are all part of that discussion if these violence are looking like they're getting

[5:51:57] Voice 9: you know post-public hearing that's the the

[5:51:59] Voice 10: team the administrative team is going to be looking at

[5:52:02] Voice 10: all these pieces

[5:52:08] Voice 9: to advise but ideally we'll have some of those answers prior to a public hearing

[5:52:14] Voice 17: and then um would you guys consider the six-year renewal as just another

[5:52:22] Voice 4: extension fee rather than

[5:52:25] Voice 4: making another $2,000. Yeah,

[5:52:30] Voice 9: so that could be done. The

[5:52:32] Voice 9: Harvey Local Trust Committee does have their own

[5:52:34] Voice 9: fees bylaw, right, that stipulates that piece. The

[5:52:37] Voice 9: Local Government Act is what gives us the authority to have

[5:52:40] Voice 9: this temporary use permit provision. And that's what sets

[5:52:43] Voice 9: the renewal versus new application. So there would

[5:52:47] Voice 9: need to be an effort to make sure that we're not in breach

[5:52:52] Voice 9: reach of the local government act intent that they can set the fees they should be cost recovery

[5:52:57] Voice 9: based having said that that's not always the case in practicality a lot more time is spent on

[5:53:04] Voice 9: applications than the fees that are received and so that's a decision of the trust council then to

[5:53:09] Voice 9: to approve a bylaw if it's grossly inadequate and there's heavy subsidization by denman

[5:53:15] Voice 9: and cd and all the other lts to support vacation rental tps on hornby that's a bigger discussion

[5:53:21] Voice 9: question that might not fly so

[5:53:23] Voice 4: some will all these questions be answered by March no

[5:53:26] Voice 9: definitely not

[5:53:27] Voice 9: because some of these are would require workshopping and further consideration right now

[5:53:33] Voice 9: you know we're looking for that like certainty which we don't have because there's no cap in

[5:53:38] Voice 9: the bottom right now you know that's what I mean it's it's an unlimited number right now so as of

[5:53:45] Voice 9: today if there's a decision to move towards a cap that signifies to staff okay now we need to

[5:53:50] Voice 9: discuss how this how this is going to work but it's all hypothetical like we are very literal

[5:53:55] Voice 9: in the effect of the violence i have before me right now do not have it happen the discussions

[5:54:00] Voice 9: of discussions there's no direction to staff to amend the violence that might

[5:54:05] Voice 9: be coming but

[5:54:05] Voice 9: that's when we switch gears because now they're serious about this limitation

[5:54:14] Voice 9: and i'm just from that because i never got an answer to my questions i had two questions the

[5:54:20] Voice 9: first question was would you consider a sliding scale compared to you know depending on how much

[5:54:28] Voice 9: you make and the second question was

[5:54:30] Voice 10: would you consider giving the local people who live here

[5:54:34] Voice 10: whose first home is here a preference and i'm going to get an answer so i'd like to get an answer

[5:54:40] Voice 10: we

[5:54:42] Voice 4: got to the technical end of it first and then there may be

[5:54:47] Voice 9: So technically, I think those are great ideas, we don't have an example of a sliding scale

[5:54:52] Voice 9: anywhere in the trust or any local reference in British Columbia, but that would be a first,

[5:54:58] Voice 9: and that would require a lot of thought about how this could work in terms of what documentation

[5:55:03] Voice 9: has to be submitted, how the fee bylaw gets drafted to really make it clear to people

[5:55:08] Voice 9: what it is they're going to be charged, so there's no confusion there. So those are all

[5:55:12] Voice 9: really great ideas this is the right venue for that but i don't have an answer to that and it

[5:55:16] Voice 9: has to be it's a little bit of a trust committee to direct us to look into that should they go

[5:55:21] Voice 9: that route and then the other piece is not technical it's political well

[5:55:28] Voice 4: i just i just

[5:55:29] Voice 4: have a question about that so i mean obviously the local trustees could decide that they're

[5:55:40] going to approve that they decide that they're going to approve um temporary permits on a priority

[5:55:49] Voice 7: basis of people that they know here are permanent residents but is there a legal basis um within the

[5:55:57] temporary framework to make that

[5:56:00] Voice 11: a legislative like part of the bylaw

[5:56:05] Voice 9: uh you definitely as a planner i would recommend that the guidelines in the land use bylaw are

[5:56:12] Voice 9: are clear what it is that the application is being vetted against.

[5:56:16] Voice 9: So if there's a need to specify if you're a temporary or permanent resident versus this

[5:56:23] Voice 9: is not your principal residence, that's a really important piece to spell out in the

[5:56:26] Voice 9: bylaw, not in a fees bylaw, for example, or in a question and answer document.

[5:56:34] Voice 4: But from your understanding of

[5:56:36] Voice 7: the sort of legislative rules around something like temporary

[5:56:40] Voice 7: is permit inclusion of prioritizing permanent resident applications or something that would

[5:56:47] Voice 7: that be

[5:56:47] Voice 9: legally defensible

[5:56:49] Voice 9: that's at your discretion

[5:56:51] Voice 7: yeah i'm just talking about the

[5:56:53] Voice 7: difference between stipulating that as a as a bylaw as part of the bylaw or as you know the

[5:57:00] Voice 7: decision

[5:57:00] Voice 11: of the trust committee of the day that's a piece of this is a little clearer i i think

[5:57:09] Voice 9: the planning advice would be that the bylaw should stand on its own so that the community

[5:57:14] Voice 9: the staff that have to interpret it and the decision makers that have to

[5:57:18] Voice 9: lean on it are clear what's being expected

[5:57:25] Voice 8: the principal residence

[5:57:26] Voice 9: question comes second so you've you've heard people today say

[5:57:34] Voice 15: say that they often are not here enough to qualify to be in a principal residence you heard that and

[5:57:46] Voice 8: and and what you're suggesting is because there's definitely ways of somebody i mean there are a

[5:57:53] Voice 8: lot of jurisdictions who simply say it has to be principal residence to

[5:57:58] Voice 15: to do it so i mean that's

[5:58:01] Voice 15: that's a big question on army because you know there's so many people here who this is not their

[5:58:06] Voice 15: principal residence you know what you

[5:58:08] Voice 10: pointed out here legally by tax law it's not by the definition

[5:58:13] Voice 10: in the short for the patient rental legislation it is so i mean i

[5:58:21] Voice 10: can only have one principle

[5:58:22] Voice 10: No, but

[5:58:23] Voice 8: if you look at the definition of the legislation, it's different.

[5:58:28] Voice 8: But that's the problem with the principal residence question.

[5:58:33] Voice 8: And a lot of jurisdictions have that in the law, the principal residence.

[5:58:38] Voice 8: We've certainly discussed it, and

[5:58:40] Voice 15: we thought if we're going to get anywhere with this, where we are right now on this,

[5:58:44] Voice 15: there's enough controversy around all this other stuff.

[5:58:47] Voice 15: If we put the principal residents in right now, you know, it just makes it a lot of complications.

[5:58:52] Voice 15: So we thought, let's leave that one until, you know, I mean, these things can all be changed.

[5:58:58] Voice 15: The cap can be changed.

[5:59:00] Voice 15: We can set it now.

[5:59:01] Voice 15: There's going to be a new trust committee in October, November.

[5:59:06] Voice 15: There's going to be a lot of people are going to be coming out to me to talk about all these things.

[5:59:13] Voice 15: So how far do we try to get right now?

[5:59:17] Voice 15: so that we just can get we've been about five or six years now trying to get the official community

[5:59:23] Voice 15: plan and the land use bylaws done so that there's some you know it's not just about cap so that

[5:59:31] Voice 15: people have some understanding about what the rules are on or beyond and on a whole bunch of

[5:59:37] Voice 15: other things not just on short-term vacation rentals or subdividing or you know so how far

[5:59:45] Voice 15: do we push that where do we push just you know 65 isn't the number

[5:59:53] Voice 15: you know if everybody came along and said well we say collectively that it should be 85

[6:00:00] Voice 15: or 90 or something

[6:00:01] Voice 15: because it's closer to that 110

[6:00:03] Voice 15: or something. I actually think 65

[6:00:06] Voice 15: is very, very close by the time

[6:00:08] Voice 15: if you take the, you know, you come

[6:00:10] Voice 15: down to 87, you take the 12

[6:00:12] Voice 15: off that are not in compliance

[6:00:13] Voice 15: and you start running it down. I don't think

[6:00:16] Voice 8: 65 is too far away, but

[6:00:17] Voice 8: I'm not going to win that argument.

[6:00:22] Voice 17: So

[6:00:24] Voice 8: let's leave, you know, there's

[6:00:25] Voice 8: certain things, stones

[6:00:27] Voice 8: on turnpike. So

[6:00:29] Voice 8: So let's get

[6:00:31] Voice 15: something we can get done today.

[6:00:34] Voice 15: We're going to have a meeting after this one,

[6:00:37] Voice 15: and we're going to decide something on the short-term rentals.

[6:00:41] Voice 15: And then so we can move ahead with it,

[6:00:44] Voice 15: because there's going to be an election in October.

[6:00:49] Voice 22: You

[6:00:50] Voice 15: can elect new people to come in here.

[6:00:52] Voice 15: I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be around.

[6:00:54] Voice 15: I mean, I can get the juice coming out of this room.

[6:00:56] Voice 15: So I'm not going to

[6:00:59] Voice 15: run anyway, but I'm going to have

[6:01:02] Voice 8: a new group here, a new trust council,

[6:01:09] Voice 8: a master of beauty, a democracy, a charity, creates some turmoil, but at least we all

[6:01:15] Voice 8: get a chance.

[6:01:15] Voice 8: I can sit over where you are here from now.

[6:01:19] Voice 10: Well, the thing is, we are thinking now.

[6:01:23] Voice 10: So a lot of people came up with good ideas and questions.

[6:01:27] Voice 10: I don't see anybody taking notes.

[6:01:29] Voice 10: So these

[6:01:30] Voice 10: questions will they be considered in the next time,

[6:01:35] Voice 10: or will they be just going down in the link and it's gone and finished?

[6:01:40] Voice 10: Those are the things.

[6:01:41] Voice 10: What is happening to all these ideas?

[6:01:44] Voice 10: We are going to consider them in the media.

[6:01:47] Voice 10: When I take

[6:01:49] Voice 10: notes, I

[6:01:50] Voice 4: will take them.

[6:01:51] Voice 4: so um on that note i just wanted to pause for a moment because where our entire meeting

[6:01:58] Voice 4: a day is scheduled to conclude at six o'clock which is in 11 minutes

[6:02:06] Voice 7: i wanted just checking with our staff because that's my first consideration um

[6:02:16] Voice 4: about whether it's okay on your end

[6:02:19] Voice 4: to find that it's a bit long today.

[6:02:21] Voice 4: We've already

[6:02:22] Voice 10: had a long day.

[6:02:26] Voice 10: Yeah, as long as it's a very...

[6:02:30] Voice 4: So should we aim

[6:02:31] Voice 4: for like security?

[6:02:35] Voice 4: I can rent you a place.

[6:02:36] Voice 4: I can rent you a place.

[6:02:40] Voice 17: I don't know how I can't.

[6:02:53] Voice 4: I'd like to keep questions open for a little bit longer here, and then we'll watch it in the back of our, let's have another

[6:03:06] Voice 10: few questions, and then we'll wrap it.

[6:03:10] Voice 10: Oh, thank you.

[6:03:14] Voice 9: Okay, so Michelle, it's Julie, and I've been running my digital mental for like 35 years.

[6:03:22] Voice 9: Oh, sorry.

[6:03:24] Voice 9: And, um, are we still, can we still do comments and questions?

[6:03:30] Voice 9: So just

[6:03:32] Voice 7: comment twice.

[6:03:32] Voice 7: I'm going to allow

[6:03:34] Voice 7: 10 more minutes for everyone.

[6:03:38] Voice 7: Okay. I just

[6:03:39] Voice 9: concur with Ruth about the sliding scale.

[6:03:41] Voice 9: I concur with, um,

[6:03:44] Voice 9: Tiara about the composting toilets and the permanent residence.

[6:03:50] Voice 9: Um, and oh God, now I'm nervous.

[6:03:55] Voice 21: timed um and i wanted to say that i really believe the cap should start a new cap uh part of histra

[6:04:05] Voice 21: we've talked about the cap

[6:04:07] Voice 8: we have what we have counted as 96 registered um vacation rentals

[6:04:14] Voice 8: again we don't know if they're compliant or not but if they're

[6:04:17] Voice 21: members of histra we're pretty sure

[6:04:20] Voice 21: they're being compliant so 65 is a bit low so i'd like to suggest that you start higher and there's

[6:04:29] Voice 21: one

[6:04:29] Voice 8: other thing that i'm confused about which is the comox nation that we need to have in our places

[6:04:37] Voice 8: um a something written that lets the guests know about the colonial lens

[6:04:46] Voice 9: and all that and i have

[6:04:48] Voice 9: have no idea how to write something like that it's all kind of new for me and so is that something

[6:04:55] Voice 9: that you

[6:04:56] Voice 8: are willing to write up and give us to put into our homes for these guests because i

[6:05:03] Voice 8: don't

[6:05:04] Voice 9: feel at all you know able to do that so

[6:05:08] Voice 8: where does that

[6:05:08] Voice 9: come from do are

[6:05:10] Voice 8: you going to

[6:05:10] Voice 8: get the whole lot's nation to write

[6:05:13] Voice 21: that for us which i think is the best thing probably because

[6:05:16] Voice 21: we're doing reconciliation so that's the question that we'd like to have answered sure

[6:05:22] Voice 9: i can i can

[6:05:23] Voice 9: touch on that even though it's not decided yet we're doing active engagement with covox nation

[6:05:27] Voice 9: on for hornby island and denman island and this is not something that they're going to write for

[6:05:34] Voice 9: you it's your duty to to do that and submit that as part of your application however of course we

[6:05:39] Voice 9: will provide you with as much information as we can based on what we've learned from the nation

[6:05:44] Voice 9: about what it is they're concerned about which is

[6:05:47] Voice 9: not just recorded archaeological sites so just

[6:05:50] Voice 9: because you don't have a recorded arc site on your property doesn't mean you you don't need to worry

[6:05:54] Voice 9: it's we they want to make it clear that there are other intrinsic values that need to be protected

[6:06:00] Voice 9: which is also the the ecology of the um the island the fresh water uh all these pieces so yes we

[6:06:08] Voice 9: would be anticipating our communications rollout should these bylaws be adopted that would include

[6:06:14] Voice 9: best practices for you to draft in your words this is your house this is your little patch of

[6:06:22] Voice 9: soil that you're welcoming people to so your voice and your unique position on how you want to

[6:06:30] Voice 9: have your guests use that extra lens of things to consider is what you're submitting as part

[6:06:36] Voice 9: of your application to show that you met that guideline but for sure that the technicality of

[6:06:42] Voice 9: the appropriate language we can provide you with some support because we're getting some

[6:06:47] Voice 9: clear direction from what it is that the priorities are so you can emulate that in that

[6:06:52] Voice 9: and i'm totally happy to do that if i have some guidelines thank you and the last thing is that

[6:06:58] Voice 9: i really also concur with the idea of spreading out the five months

[6:07:03] Voice 8: over the whole year i'm more

[6:07:05] Voice 8: than happy to

[6:07:06] Voice 21: have some of my summertime to myself and i'm more than happy to rent to people

[6:07:11] Voice 21: in the winter when it's beautiful and in the early spring

[6:07:14] Voice 9: so i really think that that's

[6:07:16] Voice 9: something that should be looked at and thank you guys it's really complex so we've got

[6:07:23] Voice 7: uh just a few minutes left so i'd like to uh ask that you've already spoken you give your place to

[6:07:30] Voice 7: someone who hasn't spoken yet um and

[6:07:32] Voice 4: just sort of the interest of trying to get everyone to have

[6:07:39] all

[6:07:40] Voice 11: right it sounds like

[6:07:41] Voice 11: we still got a lot of work to do there still needs to be a lot of

[6:07:44] Voice 11: answers before we go forward

[6:07:46] Voice 8: decisions and so we know where we're going uh the cap number

[6:07:55] Voice 8: um i know it's just a number that's been mentioned 65 i just uh feel real bad for 35 of us

[6:08:02] Voice 8: families that are being told that we can no longer rent um i think the other way you can

[6:08:07] Voice 8: do it is to set the cap at the number of total love people that are renting it legally on this

[6:08:14] Voice 8: island if you want to lower the cap after that lower it but do it through attrition

[6:08:18] Voice 8: so you're not hurting anybody here at all

[6:08:22] Voice 8: right you're not hurting

[6:08:28] Voice 8: that way businesses can help change uh cleaners other people they're all going to suffer

[6:08:34] Voice 8: so that's my first one question the second thing is if i'm a

[6:08:40] Voice 8: a permanent resident and i want to rent out my house in the summertime but am i allowed to move

[6:08:50] Voice 8: I'm less than 10 acres.

[6:08:52] Voice 8: Am I allowed to move into a trailer, a tent, a cabin on the same property and rent out

[6:08:58] Voice 8: my house?

[6:09:01] A

[6:09:03] Voice 9: good question.

[6:09:06] Voice 9: I will refresh my memory off the top of my head, but I'm not sure that that's been installed

[6:09:11] Voice 9: out within this file.

[6:09:13] Voice 9: What

[6:09:13] Voice 8: I don't want to see is that principal resident rule and then you find out that when

[6:09:18] Voice 8: they turn around to go do it, they can't do it

[6:09:20] Voice 10: because of that.

[6:09:29] My question is, am I right in

[6:09:39] Voice 14: understanding that in 2003 there was a quality of life survey

[6:09:44] Voice 14: conducted on the island that led to the identification of a majority of the permanent residents who

[6:09:50] Voice 14: felt that enough was enough and that there should be some sort of limit on short-term rentals which

[6:09:59] Voice 14: died in meetings like this dominated by people who were renters pushing back against that so this

[6:10:08] Voice 14: has been a discussion for an awful long time and you keep winning out there the most concerned

[6:10:18] Voice 14: concerned, along with others, that if something is not done, then yes, the province may well

[6:10:24] Voice 14: come in and there will be a number that has nothing to do with a conversation like this.

[6:10:32] Voice 14: So something has to happen. Something has to happen, please. Okay, now my observation

[6:10:39] Voice 14: was not a discussion about quality of water. I'm on the water stewardship group and it's

[6:10:46] Voice 14: been quite alarming to see how frequently we see water with polythorne bacteria and

[6:10:56] Voice 14: with E. coli.

[6:10:58] Voice 13: Now that is across the board, but you're renting, you're selling a service.

[6:11:06] Voice 13: If someone gets sick, you're responsible. Bylaw is

[6:11:14] Voice 14: part of covering your arse. You should

[6:11:16] Voice 14: be grateful that that's in that bylaw and be totally compliant because I'll repeat there is

[6:11:24] Voice 14: a lot more water contamination on this island than we really are aware of. We are seeing it

[6:11:31] Voice 14: but it's a lot but there is quite a bit out there. Point number two alongside of this it's not

[6:11:39] Voice 14: necessarily groundwater contamination. A lot of this is cross-contamination at or very near

[6:11:47] Voice 14: ground level between poorly functioning septic fields and wells. So having a

[6:11:58] Voice 14: well-functioning septic field is also part of covering your arm. Thank you.

[6:12:08] Voice 9: Hi, I've got a question. I live in Sandpiper, so I'm a person who is impacted by short-term

[6:12:21] Voice 9: rentals all summer long um and so i would like to request that in the clause i think it's f that

[6:12:29] Voice 9: says two beds per bedroom no more than three bedrooms to be used for dwellings on lots less

[6:12:35] Voice 9: than one hectare can that be changed for different size lots is it a way to say that in san francisco

[6:12:42] Voice 9: galleon or on any less on half acre blocks that are doing short-term rentals that it's two beds

[6:12:50] Voice 9: two people per room so four people can can you divide it out because on 10 acres

[6:12:57] Voice 9: having six or eight probably doesn't have the impact that it does when it's across the road

[6:13:01] Voice 9: so that's one question my my second question is sort of it's building on a bit of what ruth was

[6:13:09] Voice 9: talking about is can we set up a priority system so permanent year-round residents that are

[6:13:16] Voice 9: identified by your homeowner tax that's pretty pretty basic um gets priority people who live

[6:13:24] Voice 9: here and have family homes that have been passed on to them get next priority and then folks who

[6:13:31] Voice 9: live here and periodically come here but mostly rent their house out um get third priority can

[6:13:37] Voice 9: can we have it tiered to that degree is that possible please so the first question about

[6:13:46] Voice 9: Yes, the land use bylaw can regulate the number of, the density of the issues based on the lockdown.

[6:13:54] That's a technical challenge to craft the wording to make sure there's no confusion about that piece.

[6:14:02] And I think bylaw enforcement requires that very

[6:14:05] Voice 9: specific clarity.

[6:14:06] Voice 9: X number of hectares equal X number of bodies without particular use events.

[6:14:12] Voice 9: events. Second question is, possibly that is criteria that,

[6:14:23] Voice 9: again, should be explicit in the

[6:14:26] Voice 9: bylaw, that if you're making an

[6:14:28] Voice 9: application and investing in considering this use on your

[6:14:32] Voice 9: residentially don't want to clear what your chances are

[6:14:36] Voice 9: success, like we always want to be transparent with people to

[6:14:39] Voice 9: understand that's why you look at OCD is my proposal consistent

[6:14:43] Voice 9: with this community plan otherwise why would you bother applying so I would suggest that

[6:14:48] Voice 9: the land use bylaw would need some wording to identify how that works what the parameters

[6:14:55] Voice 9: are for applications to be vetted as far as if there's a compromise that perhaps there

[6:15:03] Voice 9: would be this set of criteria that's going to be applied at the time of review those

[6:15:11] Voice 9: Those are really great points, and we don't have those actual examples to point to, to say, yes, we've done that, but it looks like this is all going to have to be vetted as, do they want to direct staff to bring back the Planner Jack language to amend the bylaw?

[6:15:30] Voice 9: Is there an appetite to explore these things, bring back the language, to see how this fits in to the bylaw, which

[6:15:36] Voice 17: is, you know, we can't do that on a fly today.

[6:15:43] Voice 17: it absolutely not okay you

[6:15:44] Voice 9: asked for this and here's the pros and cons to this approach because

[6:15:48] Voice 9: we have time to consider that all this

[6:15:50] Voice 9: is reported we have a minute taker who's taking notes so all

[6:15:53] Voice 9: these things are being cashed out should the local trust committee request that this would

[6:15:59] Voice 9: be reported back and in terms of the cap i hear lots of folks saying you know we won't be able

[6:16:07] Voice 9: to do it there's 35 of us if we do 65 but of those 100 like who's actually confined

[6:16:13] Voice 9: um and maybe the cap is based on current compliant rentals and how that gets figured i'm not sure

[6:16:22] Voice 9: because i i know that not everyone's

[6:16:25] Voice 10: compliant whether there's authentic not

[6:16:27] Voice 22: everybody's

[6:16:28] Voice 10: first

[6:16:38] Voice 11: uh it may be a confusion of language but i'm a bit mystified with the comment

[6:16:43] that the provinces of iran and following licensing just required received uh

[6:16:48] for short-term vacation rentals yeah for

[6:16:51] Voice 8: short-term vacation rentals i've just

[6:16:53] Voice 8: received notification from the ministry saying it's time for you to submit the application for

[6:17:01] your renewal of your license that sounds like grandfather to me the second one is going to

[6:17:09] happen in terms of provincial and tup

[6:17:12] Voice 12: i have a provincial license that i apply for and pay for

[6:17:16] Voice 12: or every couple of years is

[6:17:19] Voice 11: that going to go away or is the top going to be an addition to that

[6:17:24] Voice 11: application

[6:17:25] Voice 9: yeah it looks like an addition to so the local trust committee could decide that

[6:17:33] Voice 9: you know whether the province does this or not or continues to do it or not but the temporaries

[6:17:37] Voice 9: will prevail

[6:17:39] Voice 10: okay and

[6:17:41] Voice 12: then like other general questions is not the case that the islands trust

[6:17:45] Voice 12: trust is to, their mandate

[6:17:47] Voice 11: is to be a steward of the islands for British Columbia. Is that

[6:17:52] Voice 11: not your mandate? Well, so it

[6:17:55] Voice 12: isn't like a condo board for Hornby. It's actually to respect

[6:18:00] Voice 12: and look at the interests of all British Columbia. So the idea that you would set up and decide

[6:18:06] Voice 12: that you have to reduce by sounds like a third of the number of people who come onto the

[6:18:13] Voice 12: island uh

[6:18:14] Voice 11: any year is not necessarily something that is in the interest of all of which

[6:18:20] Voice 9: preserving

[6:18:22] Voice 9: rural characters yes

[6:18:24] Voice 11: uh does it preserve the rural character of the of the island

[6:18:28] Voice 4: out of the campground turned

[6:18:30] Voice 4: into a parking lot

[6:18:31] Voice 4: well

[6:18:32] Voice 19: isn't that in your mandate to look at that kind of thing

[6:18:50] Voice 9: So I currently am last. I do have a question, but I'm going to say something first. You

[6:18:59] Voice 9: have not heard anyone in this room say they didn't want septic or water properly regulated

[6:19:04] Voice 9: and weren't willing to do it. You have not heard anyone in this room say there is no

[6:19:09] Voice 9: need for a cap. What you have heard people say almost to an individual is for people who are

[6:19:17] Voice 9: currently renting, legally operating and meet the requirements of the T&P, let us

[6:19:23] Voice 9: have one and then

[6:19:25] Voice 9: determine whether or not that number is too high or

[6:19:29] Voice 9: almost certainly not too low.

[6:19:32] Voice 9: but don't punish people who have done nothing but follow the rules you set for them to follow

[6:19:40] Voice 9: the

[6:19:42] Voice 22: only thing that's going to happen if you set a cap and don't consider the people who are

[6:19:48] Voice 22: prepared to operate legal is that the people who are prepared to operate illegally will be rewarded

[6:19:54] Voice 9: because they're going

[6:19:56] Voice 9: to keep going and those those of us who have been following the rules

[6:20:00] Voice 9: are the people who are going to pay.

[6:20:02] Voice 9: So my question to you is,

[6:20:04] Voice 9: if what you said is true, Grant,

[6:20:06] Voice 9: that the reason why you picked the number 65

[6:20:09] Voice 9: is because you thought that was about the number

[6:20:12] Voice 9: that would actually meet the requirements,

[6:20:14] Voice 9: are you prepared to actually let it happen naturally

[6:20:18] Voice 9: and see how many of the people

[6:20:21] Voice 9: who are currently legally operating

[6:20:23] Voice 9: will meet the TUP requirements

[6:20:25] Voice 9: rather than setting a cap right now?

[6:20:34] Voice 15: Thank you.

[6:20:35] Voice 15: so here's

[6:20:36] Voice 9: here's what i wrote down before we spoke so given what i've heard i think we should set

[6:20:43] Voice 9: the cap at 100 number

[6:20:45] Voice 15: one a lot of people aren't going to like it i'm looking around

[6:20:50] Voice 15: a lot of people aren't going to like it but if we set it at 100 then there's going to be a new

[6:21:02] Voice 8: horny local trust committee in october november

[6:21:05] Voice 15: and that number can be looked at is it too high

[6:21:08] Voice 15: are too low the other thing i've written down that we request staff to look at the priority

[6:21:15] Voice 15: for principal residents that we've heard the the five months be spread out over the year

[6:21:21] Voice 15: rather than all from may to that the price for the temporary use permit be based on the ability to

[6:21:29] Voice 15: pay or some sliding rule on that and a special use permit i don't know how this would work the issue

[6:21:37] Voice 15: for something like what the doctor was talking about somebody

[6:21:41] Voice 8: who's who we need we need these

[6:21:44] Voice 8: people here so special use permit for health care workers or who have to be here i just used the

[6:21:51] Voice 8: doctor as an example because he spoke so eloquently but that's what i wrote

[6:21:55] Voice 15: down if we can set this

[6:21:57] Voice 15: and get this something done soon and if a hundred or something people can live with and we can test

[6:22:06] Voice 15: to sell over time because we're going to have people

[6:22:08] Voice 8: as you pointed out i think that should

[6:22:11] Voice 8: i think okay who mentioned it that should cover all the people and probably with a nice little

[6:22:19] Voice 8: buffer on top of those the people that are in compliance and

[6:22:23] Voice 15: then we can then we can over the

[6:22:25] Voice 15: next six

[6:22:26] Voice 8: months or whatever it is we'll figure it out but we

[6:22:28] Voice 9: gotta start i think

[6:22:30] Voice 15: as you said

[6:22:30] Voice 15: we need something to work with

[6:22:32] Voice 9: well what what we have honestly suggested is go through the process

[6:22:38] Voice 9: enable a cap in the bylaws set it once you know how many actually comply because then maybe it

[6:22:46] Voice 9: is 65 because only 65 comply although i

[6:22:48] Voice 9: don't actually believe that's going to

[6:22:50] Voice 9: be the case i

[6:22:50] Voice 9: think it is going to be set in the 90s right it's unlikely to be higher than 98 because there isn't

[6:22:56] Voice 9: provincial registration number count that goes above 98 and that is the first requirement for

[6:23:02] Voice 9: i

[6:23:02] Voice 10: just want to

[6:23:16] Voice 10: know we were advised at the beginning to put in writing before the next

[6:23:22] Voice 10: meeting. So many of these things, there weren't minutes, some take minutes, but if we have

[6:23:27] Voice 10: personal things that we want to put in writing, can you please provide

[6:23:32] Voice 9: an email address or

[6:23:34] Voice 9: somewhere where we can actually do that? Because I don't know where that would be.

[6:23:40] Voice 4: Absolutely. So what I was going to say is I appreciate that this has been a really great

[6:23:46] Voice 4: and respectful conversation um heard lots of interesting ideas and that's like some lives

[6:23:53] Voice 4: been changed up here um we

[6:23:56] Voice 7: have to conclude our business so that our staff can get home

[6:24:01] Voice 7: tonight because that's what we need there so i'm going to appreciate everybody

[6:24:07] Voice 7: we're going to have a short

[6:24:09] Voice 4: time of discussion about our next steps here and before we have that

[6:24:16] Voice 4: I mean, it's just, we have to have a short reason.

[6:24:20] Voice 4: So I'd like us to come back here at,

[6:24:28] Voice 4: let's be realistic, 6.20.

[6:24:31] Voice 4: And then,

[6:38:08] Voice 16: Chair Peterson.

[6:38:39] Voice 17: Mr. Curtis, that's all.

[6:38:40] Voice 4: Thank you.

[6:38:41] Voice 4: You couldn't hear us.

[6:38:42] Voice 4: That's what was going on.

[6:38:45] Okay.

[6:38:49] Voice 4: So I'll just repeat that.

[6:39:02] Voice 7: So the motion is that the Hornbeam Local Trust Committee request staff to schedule an electronic special meeting to consider next steps on Bylaws 176 and 177 prior to the March 28 regular meeting.

[6:39:17] Voice 5: So I'll give a seconded discussion.

[6:39:22] Voice 5: Okay.

[6:39:22] Voice 5: All in favor?

[6:39:24] Voice 5: the

[6:39:24] Voice 7: motion is carried and i think we need to adjourn

[6:39:28] Voice 7: and appreciate everybody's uh commentations this

[6:39:31] Voice 4: evening and we will get the word out

[6:39:34] Voice 4: when we have that it's going to be electronic we're not going to be able to do it in any other

[6:39:38] way

[6:39:38] Voice 4: um hopefully that will set us up for good decision making for the march

[6:40:02] Voice 4: Well, yeah, and depending on the scope,

[6:40:08] Voice 4: we may or may not be able to get a direct stop

[6:40:16] Voice 4: to make this one very concise.

[6:40:18] You can bring the chairs over.

[6:40:22] Thank you for all of the things.