Islands Trust Conservancy Board community information meeting, January 26, 2026

[0:00:04] Voice 11: Excellent.

[0:00:08] Voice 9: All right. Well, good afternoon, everybody. Hello, and welcome to the regular

[0:00:15] Voice 9: business meeting of the Maine Island Local Trust Committee. My name is Toby Elliott. I'm the chair

[0:00:21] Voice 9: of the Local Trust Committee here, and elected on Gabriela Island. And I first want to begin,

[0:00:27] Voice 9: well, call to order our meeting, and I'll go through the agenda in a minute.

[0:00:36] Voice 9: But as always, we want to acknowledge that we are meeting in the territories of the Sinchocan-speaking peoples, and we want to always be grateful and remember and continually remind ourselves and acknowledge the enduring relationship and stewardship of Coast Salish people on these islands since time immemorial.

[0:00:58] Voice 9: As I said, I'm Toby Elliott. I'm joined today by your local trustees, Janine Dodds and David Mott.

[0:01:04] Voice 9: and we have our staff with us uh narissa chadwick and bruce belcher and online our meeting facilitator

[0:01:13] Voice 9: and minute taker lisa millard so just to let everyone know this meeting is being live streamed

[0:01:19] Voice 9: and recorded for those who are unable to attend in person the recording will be available on the

[0:01:25] Voice 9: island's trust website within the next few days um and this meeting is an official forum for your

[0:01:32] Voice 9: local trust committee to make decisions about land use planning matters and discuss relevant

[0:01:36] Voice 9: business the business before us today we have several pieces and there'll be different parts

[0:01:43] Voice 9: so just to explain that a bit there will be a town hall and questions of a general nature

[0:01:49] Voice 9: so if you've got any comments that you want to make or speak to any issues that you want to raise

[0:01:55] Voice 9: with the local trust committee that's your opportunity but then we're going to have a

[0:01:59] Voice 9: community information meeting and that's going to be specifically about the main island housing

[0:02:04] Voice 9: project with the proposed bylaws uh 196 and 197 so we can have some back and forth answer any

[0:02:11] Voice 9: questions that you have any clarifications um that you wish to make and also we're going to

[0:02:18] Voice 9: have community information um period about the rezoning of bc ferries so there's a draft bylaw

[0:02:25] Voice 9: number 200 there so if you've got any questions um and then we'll go into the formal process our

[0:02:32] Voice 9: public hearing to consent to hear from the public uh and all interested parties on proposed bylaws

[0:02:39] Voice 9: number 196 so that is your time to make your comments make your statements for the record

[0:02:45] Voice 9: um we'll be recording those and they'll form part of the formal public hearing binder um with regard

[0:02:53] Voice 9: to the development of those bylaws so two separate parts the community information meeting ask your

[0:02:58] Voice 9: questions and get any clarity and then we'll go into the public hearing which is a whole

[0:03:03] Voice 9: structured legislative process within the meeting then we'll recess and recall to order and we'll

[0:03:08] Voice 9: go through the rest of our agenda today so it's a bit of a three-part show i'll try to keep us all

[0:03:14] Voice 9: in track um so with that is there any changes or amendments to the agenda no no okay i'll take it

[0:03:25] Voice 9: by general consent that we approve the agenda as presented and so we'll open for town hall

[0:03:33] Voice 9: and questions of a general nature uh if you want to address us just put your hand up speak out

[0:03:40] Voice 9: Oh, please let us know your name.

[0:03:45] Voice 9: Nope, no takers.

[0:03:47] Voice 9: All right, I'm going to do all the talking now.

[0:03:50] Voice 9: And I should note for the minute taker,

[0:03:52] Voice 9: there's 10, maybe a few more

[0:03:55] Voice 9: members of the public coming in.

[0:03:58] Voice 9: 12 members of the public here today.

[0:04:02] Voice 9: Okay, we do have another opportunity.

[0:04:04] Voice 9: Do we have another town hall fan?

[0:04:05] Voice 1: So

[0:04:06] Voice 9: if there's anything you want to reflect on,

[0:04:08] Voice 9: you can also stick around for that.

[0:04:11] Voice 9: Okay so we'll go right into our community information meeting now. So

[0:04:18] Voice 9: again that's to answer any questions on the main island housing project and the

[0:04:24] Voice 9: proposed bylaws. There's been public notification, there's an article in the

[0:04:28] Voice 9: mainliner, some correspondence has come in. Yeah we're here to answer your

[0:04:34] Voice 9: questions or addressing issues or concerns resounding

[0:04:47] Voice 1: robin walsh um i'm a board member of the bennett bay water district and i'm also vice chair big

[0:04:53] Voice 1: fancy title for the main island water systems society which used to be the integrated but

[0:04:59] Voice 1: we got that name at that term so um representing 10 different uh 10 of the major water districts

[0:05:06] Voice 1: on the island. I guess our major concern, and this was in the correspondence that most of the

[0:05:14] Voice 1: water districts sent in, whether they're actually directly or indirectly implicated by the proposed

[0:05:21] Voice 1: bylaws, I think is just overall concern that we really don't have a clear understanding of how

[0:05:28] Voice 1: how much water is actually available in the aquifers,

[0:05:33] Voice 1: you know, the groundwater aquifers on Main Island.

[0:05:37] Voice 1: And I think the, you know, we all recognize the need for affordable housing,

[0:05:43] Voice 1: for housing for people who don't have it at this point or poorly housed.

[0:05:49] Voice 1: But before I guess we can jump ahead and start picking numbers out

[0:05:53] Voice 1: about how many houses we do need and where they're going to go,

[0:05:56] Voice 1: I think we need to have some evidence to show that this island can sustain another increase in population and housing.

[0:06:08] Voice 1: There was a study done at our library in 1999, a master's thesis.

[0:06:14] Voice 1: And at that time, there was concern that we were actually oversupplied with housing and population.

[0:06:24] Voice 1: And I'm not a technical person, but my understanding was somebody had done a hydrological, if that's the correct word, analysis of what they thought the capacity was for the groundwater and then applied that to how many people are on the island, how often and how much water they're using.

[0:06:44] Voice 1: So, I guess, you know, so it's registering an overall concern that we, before we go ahead with these kinds of approvals, we need to demonstrate to the islanders that we can actually, we can't support that increase in housing and population.

[0:07:01] Voice 1: Great.

[0:07:03] Voice 9: Who would like to take a stab at that? Is there evidence for groundwater supplies

[0:07:17] Voice 9: being adequate for the potential increase in housing, essentially?

[0:07:27] Voice 9: Well, so with respect to the expansion of flex housing that was done looking at where the larger supply of water is,

[0:07:41] Voice 9: we have done some, we do have some work that's been done on recharge

[0:07:48] Voice 9: recharge um and some preliminary work that was done on um on uh sort of the supply demand and

[0:07:55] Voice 9: what that looks like essentially the water uh but that was so so preliminary we don't we so we don't

[0:08:00] Voice 9: have an exact sense of that but we do have a sense of where uh the work that was done around uh

[0:08:06] Voice 9: around the freshwater recharge did give a sense because it looked at the hydrogeology so it looked

[0:08:13] Voice 9: at the you know how the land moves and where the aquifers are and that sort of thing and so

[0:08:18] Voice 9: So the expansion of the flex housing is based on an understanding that that's the area on the island that has the more plentiful water opportunity.

[0:08:33] Voice 9: So that's the extent to which the information that we have available to us has been used.

[0:08:40] Voice 1: Thank you. I guess the question there is recharge is one thing, you know, in terms of how fast the aquifers, there are five aquifers on the island.

[0:08:48] Voice 1: actually are recharged and again reading this study you know anywhere from three to twelve

[0:08:55] Voice 1: percent of the precipitation that falls on maine actually goes into the aquifers the rest of it is

[0:09:01] Voice 1: either as we go down the benton bay you see it flowing into the ocean or transpiration you know

[0:09:06] Voice 1: etc evaporation so i i guess you know recharge is one thing but really having a firm grasp on how

[0:09:15] Voice 1: much water is below and in the ground we don't have surface water on this island we don't have

[0:09:20] Voice 1: snow melt contrary to what some people might think um mount paper is a long way away um but it also

[0:09:27] Voice 1: um you know again the i i understand where this potential for housing will go you know mostly

[0:09:34] Voice 1: around here and we're way over in bennett bay but if you look on the aquifer maps we're on the same

[0:09:39] Voice 1: aquifer the campbell bennett bay and bennett bay water district which have two of the largest

[0:09:44] Voice 1: just developments drawing from that aquifer.

[0:09:52] Voice 1: So that's a significant concern, I think,

[0:09:55] Voice 1: from the people who live in our districts.

[0:10:00] Voice 1: So I think, you know, I know William Shulva.

[0:10:03] Voice 1: I've done some work through the Conservancy with him,

[0:10:05] Voice 1: and I know, you know, he might be able to provide us with more data.

[0:10:09] Voice 1: I know he's an Islands Trust freshwater expert.

[0:10:12] Voice 1: And I think it just behooves us to be able to demonstrate to the islanders that, you know, Islands Trust has a firm grasp on what's actually below the ground in terms of groundwater source for this project, but also in general, I think.

[0:10:28] Voice 1: You know, we're really having a tough time with summer drought and climate change and so forth.

[0:10:35] Voice 1: And

[0:10:36] Voice 9: so, of course, we had this conversation before,

[0:10:38] Voice 9: and this is why we have linked this area and new construction

[0:10:42] Voice 9: specifies rainwater collection.

[0:10:44] Voice 4: And

[0:10:44] Voice 9: we don't know how much is in the hole in the ground.

[0:10:47] Voice 9: We don't know.

[0:10:48] Voice 9: And none of us know whether the water district,

[0:10:50] Voice 9: anybody currently relying on wells, if you're already here

[0:10:54] Voice 9: or you're planning to be here, you're in a precarious position.

[0:10:57] Voice 9: So obviously most of the language we have here is directed towards

[0:11:01] Voice 9: shifting away from the groundwater and focusing more on rainwater.

[0:11:05] Voice 9: which is a visible collectible amount now whether whether you should be able to collect what assuming

[0:11:11] Voice 9: what you're going to use an entire year or for that four month really dry period that's obviously

[0:11:17] Voice 9: something that none of us 100 percent predict but we know of course countries that rely 100

[0:11:23] Voice 9: on rainwater we know there are other options for collecting water even if people who already own

[0:11:28] Voice 9: wells may have to in the future switch to rain water you may have to mitigate the amount of

[0:11:33] Voice 9: water that the water districts are currently using because unfortunately the heaviest development

[0:11:37] Voice 9: is along the shoreline and it was a

[0:11:39] Voice 9: water district so i think we have always considered absolutely

[0:11:44] Voice 9: how much water to use and that this proposed flex housing area which is a very limited number of

[0:11:50] Voice 9: dwellings very very limited number is is not in any way going to suddenly drain all the aquifers

[0:11:58] Voice 9: at Campbell Bennett Bay.

[0:12:01] Voice 9: I do also want to remind the public that many years ago,

[0:12:04] Voice 9: we reduced density at Bennett by almost 100 units, cottages,

[0:12:10] Voice 9: recognizing at the time that what had been put there in the 60s

[0:12:13] Voice 9: was not appropriate for today's world.

[0:12:15] Voice 9: So I would argue that we have a trade-off of potentially

[0:12:18] Voice 9: maybe getting additional housing in the Miners Bay area,

[0:12:22] Voice 9: which could possibly be more affordable housing,

[0:12:25] Voice 9: but putting in provisions for rainwater collection

[0:12:28] Voice 9: and also providing that the throughout the housing goes into areas that are walkable that are within

[0:12:33] Voice 9: the services yeah so i think that if we did nothing you're still going to have a water problem

[0:12:38] Voice 9: in the water districts and that maybe now is the time for the water districts to turn their mind

[0:12:43] Voice 9: towards creating more of water collection for household use

[0:12:47] Voice 1: within the water districts thank

[0:12:50] Voice 1: Thank you, Jeannie.

[0:12:51] Voice 1: No, I appreciate all that.

[0:12:55] Voice 9: It's a dilemma.

[0:12:57] Voice 1: It is.

[0:12:57] Voice 1: There are challenges for sure.

[0:12:59] Voice 1: I guess there are two points there really quickly.

[0:13:01] Voice 1: One is, you know, I know it's a small number of housing,

[0:13:04] Voice 1: but, you know, every time we turn around and do another increment of development,

[0:13:10] Voice 1: you know, on another increment of development, you know,

[0:13:12] Voice 1: it's just we have to be – we have to raise these concerns.

[0:13:17] Voice 1: And secondly, I guess the –

[0:13:19] Voice 1: and I really appreciate the fact that there's going to be cisterns

[0:13:22] Voice 1: and capture rainwater.

[0:13:24] Voice 1: I think that's so important to have that mandated, and thank you.

[0:13:26] Voice 1: I'm not sure that it's enough, but again, I guess it depends

[0:13:30] Voice 1: on how well-occupied or how, you know, the duration of occupation

[0:13:36] Voice 1: through the year on these dwellings, so for sure.

[0:13:40] Voice 1: I guess I do remind, and the Islands Trust knows this,

[0:13:44] Voice 1: that each of the water districts are run by volunteers.

[0:13:48] Voice 1: We're self-managed, our whole use of water, and we really work hard on conservation measures and encouraging rainwater capture, offering rebates, and et cetera.

[0:13:59] Voice 1: So I think we really push that message and those actions for sure.

[0:14:05] Voice 1: I

[0:14:06] Voice 9: also want to say that, you know, and this came up in a previous meeting, is the fact is, you know, this is an opportunity we're hoping to create people sharing property jointly, small houses, affordable houses.

[0:14:19] Voice 9: This doesn't mean that we're going to get, I think it's how many actual dwellings are here, doesn't mean we're even going to get a single house.

[0:14:27] Voice 9: But if, say, we got 50 houses and suddenly we experienced a big building boom because somehow it was affordable to build these and rent them out, we also have the authority and the power to stop in five years and say, we can't do any more.

[0:14:42] Voice 9: We can't provide any more housing. But the other side of that coin is, as soon as you say no more housing, you make this an elite community with no more opportunity for change and growth, then you make it very unaffordable.

[0:14:54] Voice 9: So it's a real balancing act for the trust committee,

[0:14:57] Voice 9: but trust committees can down zone.

[0:14:58] Voice 9: They can up zone and they can down zone.

[0:15:00] Voice 9: That's good to hear.

[0:15:01] Voice 4: And

[0:15:01] Voice 9: so we have that opportunity to see, you know,

[0:15:04] Voice 9: it's like we opened up secondary suites 10 years ago,

[0:15:07] Voice 9: and I'm only aware of one that's actually illegal,

[0:15:12] Voice 9: built with a building permit.

[0:15:14] Voice 9: So we don't anticipate that there's going to be huge uptake,

[0:15:19] Voice 9: but we do feel an obligation to provide more opportunities

[0:15:22] Voice 9: for more flexible housing and miners bay happens to be that one area that's relatively

[0:15:29] Voice 9: undeveloped and of course close to all the services you want so i think we've tried to

[0:15:35] Voice 9: mitigate we've tried to figure out ways to to enable it to happen if it should even happen

[0:15:42] Voice 4: yeah

[0:15:43] Voice 9: so just to clarify in the miners bay comprehensive zone um the building permits

[0:15:51] Voice 9: would not be issued unless there is a guarantee of the freshwater catchment system with a certain

[0:15:58] Voice 9: amount so that is the the water source that we're looking at so thank you for those comments and

[0:16:04] Voice 9: and there has been a lot of conversation about this but very good

[0:16:07] Voice 6: points so just a comment and

[0:16:09] Voice 6: that's great that we're putting our daughter sisters in the bylaw but i agree in the way

[0:16:15] Voice 6: where it captures the use of how the water is to be used and if it's to be used in the house because

[0:16:22] Voice 6: you can say you have to have 2 000 gallons captured but if you're not saying that you have

[0:16:27] Voice 6: to use it for toilets or like setting a purpose for it then people just put a cistern on their

[0:16:34] Voice 6: property say well i've got a cistern and then there's also the regulatory part of water

[0:16:39] Voice 6: attachment and how you put it into a home because we utilize a lot of rain water in our home and

[0:16:45] Voice 6: because it was engineered we cannot do that at all so we have a system we use it for our toilets we

[0:16:54] Voice 6: use it for our shower we use it for our laundry but we don't use it for drinking water because

[0:16:59] Voice 6: it's not engineered even though we go through probably two three four five filters then we

[0:17:07] Voice 6: we use it plus we have carbon filters and we still cannot deem it positive because it's not

[0:17:14] Voice 6: engineered stamp so that also puts a play on affordability whereas now you have to put in

[0:17:20] Voice 6: the engineering and all the equipment so we probably have with our system about five thousand

[0:17:27] Voice 6: dollars not including the sisters in equipment yeah to produce this water and it can't be

[0:17:33] Voice 6: possible so that's you know another play in the affordable housing is does that still make it

[0:17:40] Voice 6: affordable when you're putting in you know for one home up to ten thousand dollars would cost

[0:17:47] Voice 6: an engineer's fee which is you know out of five thousand dollars maybe yeah

[0:17:52] Voice 9: very good points

[0:17:55] Voice 9: i think as as you said the intergenerational aspect of allowing um multiple people who

[0:18:04] Voice 9: could live on the same property but still have that same autonomy who could then pay into the

[0:18:09] Voice 9: utilities and the water creation system but i think the intent is to leave it to the flexibility

[0:18:15] Voice 9: of what is the appropriate use for that property and i think each property owner if there's a well

[0:18:21] Voice 9: there that's well producing and it isn't an issue and they have water catchment that doesn't need

[0:18:26] Voice 9: to be potable you've got both those but i think it's it's it's allowing the flexibility for housing

[0:18:32] Voice 9: housing to be built but we can't over prescribe and limit um I think we can only regulate to a

[0:18:39] Voice 9: certain degree but um and so so I want to ask Nerissa so you can't get a building permit without

[0:18:46] Voice 9: having the water storage but obviously the water storage is meant then to be plumbed into the house

[0:18:51] Voice 9: to be used so how is it are we able to put language in that says building inspector you

[0:18:58] Voice 9: you must be sure that this is pumped into your,

[0:19:01] Voice 9: or is this just water that's going to sit there and not be used?

[0:19:04] Voice 9: Is there, because we work in conjunction with the other authorities

[0:19:08] Voice 9: and I know CRD permits total rainwater.

[0:19:12] Voice 9: Yeah. So we had this conversation very early in the process.

[0:19:16] Voice 9: And I think the decision was to make it flexible

[0:19:19] Voice 9: because of the affordability question.

[0:19:21] Voice 9: And so as the model is currently written,

[0:19:25] Voice 9: and the requirement is to have a cistern on your property there's no requirement and we did have

[0:19:30] Voice 9: the conversation around requiring what that would look like and

[0:19:34] Voice 9: because of the consideration of cost

[0:19:37] Voice 9: and um and also you know the possibility that you could have a very good working well all of those

[0:19:42] Voice 9: sorts of things like the decision was made that uh the requirement would only be to have

[0:19:47] Voice 9: to have the cistern so the idea being that it would offset the use of the water that's coming

[0:19:53] Voice 9: out of your well or yeah that would be the so first okay okay so that was that was the answer

[0:20:03] Voice 9: i couldn't i'd forgotten that but i think it's you know there again you have to go back to the

[0:20:08] Voice 9: reality of people building any house anywhere on the island the amount of water that they use if

[0:20:14] Voice 9: they're in a water district if i have a private well and i'm watering my hundred acres i mean a

[0:20:19] Voice 9: lot of it's education education it's a lot of understanding when you live on an island

[0:20:24] Voice 9: what i came to the island you didn't have wells a lot of us don't always flush anymore

[0:20:29] Voice 9: or never have um so i think you know you can we can regulate what we can and we can put in as many

[0:20:35] Voice 9: many criteria as we

[0:20:37] Voice 9: can that we can't 100 guarantee that any individual will follow

[0:20:42] Voice 9: or think about the rules

[0:20:43] Voice 6: galliano actually has a bylaw that they have to use 30 percent

[0:20:47] Voice 6: of the water inside of the house

[0:20:49] Voice 6: for water capture.

[0:20:51] Voice 9: So that could

[0:20:52] Voice 6: be maybe your toilet.

[0:20:53] Voice 6: Oh, okay.

[0:20:54] Voice 6: Because, yeah, I was just discussing

[0:20:56] Voice 6: something that didn't work over on Galeano.

[0:20:58] Voice 6: They had to

[0:20:59] Voice 6: do 30% of their house

[0:21:01] Voice 6: for rainwater capture.

[0:21:02] Voice 6: One of the facts may be, as well as

[0:21:05] Voice 6: irrigation, and that goes under

[0:21:07] Voice 6: the same amount, but

[0:21:08] Voice 6: there is, yeah, a bylaw over on Galeano.

[0:21:12] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:21:12] Voice 9: Thank you. Well, it is a very good point

[0:21:15] Voice 9: on thinking through these different

[0:21:17] Voice 9: configurations, I think, is really important. If there isn't a water supply, and I can't imagine

[0:21:25] Voice 9: scenario where we don't have rain one day, but, you know, would we be getting into the situation

[0:21:32] Voice 9: of trucking on water, which has become, you know, on some islands is a necessity, which would be

[0:21:39] Voice 9: unfeasible, I don't think, on Maine. So yeah, those are important considerations. Thank you.

[0:21:52] Voice 7: Yes, I'm a part-time property owner here and there was something I wanted to say earlier

[0:22:00] Voice 7: but just now something I wanted to throw out because I'm not familiar with what happened

[0:22:06] Voice 7: at the time but it seems to me that when the Bennett Bay Resort was being developed there

[0:22:14] Voice 7: was big questions over water usage and that's why they put in their cistern whatever so i just i i

[0:22:22] Voice 7: i didn't know whether someone that knows what kind of um if any like rules were about how much was

[0:22:30] Voice 7: useful for what purpose whatever but that was just i was just showing that that that out but what i

[0:22:37] Voice 7: I did want to say was I really like it when Janine talks about community and I think we have to be aware of all of us as residents on the island that we still tend to have a little bit of a binary approach.

[0:22:58] Voice 7: We've got property owners and we've got renters, and I think we have to start thinking deeply.

[0:23:09] Voice 7: I'm one of those that's in the zoning that we talked about.

[0:23:13] Voice 7: When I came here 19 years ago, a friend talked to me about when I was saying, well, I need

[0:23:19] Voice 7: to get a well done, whatever.

[0:23:21] Voice 7: I said, why are you doing that?

[0:23:23] Voice 7: Why don't you just do water catchment?

[0:23:25] Voice 7: well at that time there was nothing in the bylaws that would have enabled that but I often think

[0:23:32] Voice 7: back to to that he was ahead of the time that I listened to him but anyway I have I have my well

[0:23:40] Voice 7: and I have my septic which was set up on the assumption of three bedroom house I have that

[0:23:47] Voice 7: I have a trailer behind your feet, whatever.

[0:23:54] Voice 7: And would happily, like when I saw the new zoning,

[0:23:58] Voice 7: would happily be able to have two more units

[0:24:03] Voice 7: if I could afford to actually set them up

[0:24:07] Voice 7: and have all of that.

[0:24:10] Voice 7: But I guess what I'm saying is that to me,

[0:24:14] Voice 7: that represents there's excess capacity

[0:24:17] Voice 7: capacity there and since we've got this amazing housing project there, I think whatever we

[0:24:30] Voice 7: can do to facilitate that going forward because the plans are amazing, those are the number

[0:24:42] Voice 7: So anything we can do to

[0:24:45] Voice 8: help

[0:24:46] Voice 7: that, but to get as far away as possible from the dichotomy

[0:24:52] Voice 7: between privately owned, built residences and

[0:24:59] Voice 7: renters.

[0:25:03] Voice 8: i

[0:25:04] Voice 9: guess following up on what jeanette said the concept of course behind the flex housing is

[0:25:09] Voice 9: instead of the 3500 square foot family home you're going to be shrinking so the consumption

[0:25:15] Voice 9: of a whatever home and the consumption and the septic and all of that but as jeanette said it's

[0:25:23] Voice 9: entirely possible and she's a perfect example you could be having three reasonable smaller homes

[0:25:28] Voice 9: on the same amount of resources as somebody is legally zoned for today.

[0:25:33] Voice 9: So that was also part of the balancing act of how much water could be used.

[0:25:39] Voice 9: Because if I have my 3,500 square foot house and I'm running my B&B

[0:25:43] Voice 9: with those three bedrooms that has been permitted since the 80s,

[0:25:47] Voice 9: I can use a lot of water.

[0:25:49] Voice 9: So it's, you know, it's a trade-off.

[0:25:50] Voice 9: But I think, thank you, Jeanette.

[0:25:52] Voice 9: I think that was actually a perfect example of what,

[0:25:55] Voice 9: but how we normally look at building a single family home

[0:25:58] Voice 9: on a piece of property and in the flex zone,

[0:26:00] Voice 9: we were hoping that that might change

[0:26:02] Voice 9: to something more simple, tiny home on wheels.

[0:26:07] Voice 9: We'd probably use a lot less water as our assumption.

[0:26:12] Voice 9: Yeah, and just a reminder, folks,

[0:26:14] Voice 9: we'd love to hear your comments on the bylaw

[0:26:16] Voice 9: during the public hearing period.

[0:26:18] Voice 9: So that was a great example of, you know,

[0:26:20] Voice 9: I support for these reasons

[0:26:21] Voice 9: or I don't support for these reasons.

[0:26:23] Voice 9: so please do make sure you frame that into these are this is great for questions and

[0:26:29] Voice 9: clarification so this is the community information session let's get the questions aired and then

[0:26:34] Voice 9: we'll go into the public hearing where we'd love to hear those comments do you support against

[0:26:38] Voice 9: those reasons yeah we had a maybe a question over here yeah

[0:26:42] Voice 11: so um small homes also have small rooms

[0:26:46] Voice 11: and they don't collect as much water.

[0:26:50] Voice 11: My 1800 square foot home is generous overhangs

[0:26:54] Voice 11: and I calculated that's about 2000 square feet

[0:26:57] Voice 11: of roof space.

[0:26:58] Voice 11: Based on rainwater records,

[0:27:01] Voice 11: I calculated that my roof gathers

[0:27:04] Voice 11: about 32,000 imperial gallons a year.

[0:27:07] Voice 11: And I did that before I put my rainwater cisterns in.

[0:27:11] Voice 11: I have 12,000 imperial gallons in storage.

[0:27:17] Voice 11: And that's used almost constantly for the garden.

[0:27:20] Voice 11: And I drain three quarters to all of it over the course of the summer for garden purposes.

[0:27:26] Voice 11: So I imagine that a 200 square foot tiny home would be 3,200 apparel gallons a year.

[0:27:41] Voice 11: And one or two people would probably use quite a bit more than that.

[0:27:46] Voice 11: that, I suspect that's less than two months of water to my three horses. We

[0:27:54] Voice 11: have long

[0:27:55] Voice 11: stretches of dry weather for which you need enough storage to last that long, potentially.

[0:28:04] Voice 11: My main point is you can calculate how much water that you expect to get from the wool.

[0:28:16] Voice 9: and you're correct if all you had was three tiny homes with people living in them they

[0:28:22] Voice 9: wouldn't collect enough we have specified the size of the cistern with the assumption that

[0:28:27] Voice 9: you would try to fill that cistern up before the drier period of the year we'd also make an

[0:28:33] Voice 9: assumption that maybe you would think it'd be something completely different to water your

[0:28:38] Voice 9: garden i mean this is there again it's all about education people buy property they're going to

[0:28:43] Voice 9: have to realize that we don't live in a tropical climate anymore and we shouldn't be planting

[0:28:48] Voice 9: things i planted 30 years ago or not

[0:28:52] Voice 9: that i would be planting today um gardens are quite

[0:28:55] Voice 9: quite a different kettle of fish than they were 30 50 100 years ago so but it is a good point a

[0:29:01] Voice 9: lot of it's going to be education crd has been really good with with their you know they've now

[0:29:06] Voice 9: Now allow rainwater collection as part of a building permit for your home.

[0:29:10] Voice 9: They did have some rebates for tanks.

[0:29:12] Voice 9: I think what we have to do, because we work in conjunction with other governments, is we need the trust.

[0:29:17] Voice 9: And I think we do this to be lobbying for more education, for grant money, subsidies for water.

[0:29:24] Voice 9: Because water districts here don't get any government help.

[0:29:27] Voice 9: No.

[0:29:28] Voice 9: I

[0:29:28] Voice 10: mean, we know that.

[0:29:29] Voice 10: Yeah.

[0:29:29] Voice 9: And we have a lot of water issues.

[0:29:32] Voice 9: We have big huge water issues for that like the 1,200 lots that we already have developed

[0:29:37] Voice 9: So it's a

[0:29:39] Voice 9: lot more work that could be done. It will be done in terms of advocacy

[0:29:43] Voice 9: But meanwhile, we're focused on this sort of narrow area where we're doing what we can to try create a little bit more housing

[0:29:54] Voice 9: I'll take

[0:29:55] Voice 9: first time speaker

[0:30:00] Voice 9: my question is who's going to do it well i think the isla's trust has done and we did we did a

[0:30:06] Voice 9: webinar i think if we do webinars but also in conjunction with the crd i mean there has been

[0:30:12] Voice 9: a lot of programs and projects out there for education i mean the districts themselves as you

[0:30:17] Voice 9: know the science signs are there quite quite distinct um you have a grant

[0:30:23] Voice 9: debate program

[0:30:25] Voice 9: program like the regional district of Nanaimo already had one has grants for aquifers or sorry

[0:30:32] Voice 9: um cisterns and they just opened up again this year I can't remember the total amount

[0:30:37] Voice 9: um I mean that's an advocacy issue Islands Trust does not do that kind of granting program but

[0:30:44] Voice 9: certainly through the freshwater um I think it's called sustainability strategy which has been a

[0:30:49] Voice 9: 10-year project to study the state of groundwater. I can share that on Gabriola we have

[0:30:58] Voice 9: we are going to get the results of the water balance methodology which is our community sort

[0:31:06] Voice 9: of the first to have put taxpayer funds into a study of not just water in like how much water

[0:31:13] Voice 9: is in the groundwater regions but how much potentially is being used. We don't have those

[0:31:18] Voice 9: results yet um but this is sort of the piloting the methodology so that it can hopefully be

[0:31:24] Voice 9: replicated to other islands but that work is very interagency it's very much actually the focus was

[0:31:31] Voice 9: on gabriela because there was such a strong the regional district had a drinking water

[0:31:38] Voice 9: protection and watershed group that had been running for 10 years and so their groundwater

[0:31:43] Voice 9: water strategy and the work with the province was already quite advanced so we had a lot of data

[0:31:48] Voice 9: so it's very intricate like province regional district and islands trust um it's quite complex

[0:31:54] Voice 9: and you've got to pull all those pieces together but we do have a fresh water sustainability

[0:31:59] Voice 9: strategy and so hopefully that pilot methodology will get rolled out to other islands over time

[0:32:06] Voice 9: time to really understand the water the state of water on the islands because it is it's very

[0:32:13] Voice 9: different island to island but

[0:32:16] Voice 8: i think the water boards do you

[0:32:18] Voice 9: know a lot they do as much as they

[0:32:20] Voice 9: can but it's each meal and i think there are people who move to our island and don't have

[0:32:27] Voice 9: an understanding yet of the water issues so yeah talking about education i think it's really

[0:32:34] Voice 9: important but i think there needs to be a real clear strategy about how that will work and what

[0:32:40] Voice 9: it would entail but

[0:32:42] Voice 10: i think to the local trust committee in past years we can't do it anymore

[0:32:46] Voice 10: we didn't give substantial grants the amount of integrated water system society

[0:32:50] Voice 10: for workshops and seminars and such so like it's the amounts of tens of thousands of dollars

[0:32:57] Voice 10: but unfortunately the rules have changed so we can't do those things but i would suggest the

[0:33:04] Voice 10: the integrated water system side or the water system society likely would be the facilitator

[0:33:09] Voice 10: for some educational stuff. And we certainly, as Islands Trust, can provide a lot of support.

[0:33:15] Voice 10: Because we do have a freshwater specialist, we have outstanding planning staff who work

[0:33:22] Voice 10: this every day. Because this isn't a main island issue, this is Islands Trust. And up

[0:33:28] Voice 10: and down the islands, you go to a place like Devon Island where there is a tremendous amount

[0:33:32] Voice 10: of rainwater attachment um there are whole developments that are just based on rainwater

[0:33:37] Voice 10: attachment so we do have a lot of skills skill sets and i was we're very familiar with this so

[0:33:44] Voice 9: a lot of it's changing the culture like you said or coming from where you where you are to where

[0:33:50] Voice 9: you are and where you need to go um but there does need to be a strategy totally hear that

[0:33:55] Voice 10: because because education is is the big thing because people come from the city they they

[0:34:00] Voice 10: They don't understand.

[0:34:02] Voice 10: They flush the toilet, it goes to the sewer, it goes away.

[0:34:04] Voice 10: We have septic systems that are so sensitive, so everything.

[0:34:08] Voice 10: But rainwater sort of captures into that.

[0:34:12] Voice 10: One of the benefits that has been suggested in the past was with rainwater,

[0:34:18] Voice 10: if you capture it and you use it, well, when it goes out to your septic system,

[0:34:23] Voice 10: it's actually helping to recharge the system or the aquifers versus if it's

[0:34:30] Voice 10: just surplus that goes out the dish out to the ocean is that it doesn't get quote-unquote

[0:34:34] Voice 10: intersecting so there are some benefits to rainwater catchment but that's for bigger brains

[0:34:40] Voice 10: and more intelligent people to understand the science of that but in but in the past that has

[0:34:45] Voice 10: been pointed out as one of the benefits to not being on sewer is is that you do you certainly

[0:34:51] Voice 10: have about evaporation but you do have that closed loop sort of going on a bit that does help so

[0:34:57] Voice 10: So it all sort of forms part of our considerations.

[0:35:01] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:35:05] Voice 9: Was there any first-time questions?

[0:35:08] Voice 9: I

[0:35:09] Voice 5: understand that rainwater as the only source of water for homes can work quite successfully.

[0:35:18] Voice 5: But typically that's a new home being built, is built with that in mind.

[0:35:23] Voice 5: And that's really a key to that being successful.

[0:35:27] Voice 5: And so part of the issue there is that if you're connected to water system water, the same system can't be connected to a cistern.

[0:35:43] Voice 5: They need to be separate systems, which fits into that.

[0:35:46] Voice 5: So, is it envisioned that in building these new small homes, that they'll be sort of built with the purpose of being able to have the systems and like, so the original construction is not a tag on and drains off your roof, it's actually built purposely to use rainwater. Is that the

[0:36:09] Voice 9: plan here?

[0:36:10] Voice 9: That the building permit for new construction would not be issued unless there is that cistern with the catchment, the $18,000 or $12,000 in place. That is part of the policy there.

[0:36:26] Voice 9: There's a

[0:36:27] Voice 9: copy if you'd like to see.

[0:36:29] Voice 5: From what I've seen, it doesn't really specify, that could simply be the drain off the roof into a cistern.

[0:36:37] Voice 5: It

[0:36:38] Voice 9: doesn't prescribe.

[0:36:38] Voice 5: comments how that water can be used and certainly can't be followed and so i was just wondering

[0:36:43] Voice 5: whether anything was done to because the successes with uh green water excuse seems to be primarily

[0:36:53] Voice 5: when it's new houses new construction that's built with that in mind from the beginning

[0:36:58] Voice 5: not the downspouted water tank and

[0:37:03] Voice 10: certainly that is the intent because of course we were we're all

[0:37:07] Voice 10: talking about new construction. We put that provision in. It depends on who you talk to.

[0:37:14] Voice 10: The numbers seem to go all over the place, but minimum 60% of water usage in a house is the

[0:37:20] Voice 10: toilet. And of course, that's non-potable. And that is such a simple plumbing job. Because if

[0:37:27] Voice 10: you want to plumb your cistern to your toilet, you can do it by gravity feed. You don't need a pump,

[0:37:32] Voice 10: you don't need anything. And I would suggest, you know, anybody who's building a new house,

[0:37:38] Voice 10: if they have a cistern there, and they're not pushing that cistern up to the toilet,

[0:37:42] Voice 10: I don't know what's wrong with the logic there, because it's just common sense, because

[0:37:47] Voice 10: no matter where you get your water from, it comes at a cost. And certainly, you know,

[0:37:53] Voice 10: if you can do a gravity system out of a cistern into a toilet, to me, that's a no-brainer.

[0:37:58] Voice 10: That's such an intelligent way of using the water.

[0:38:01] Voice 10: And because it's more than half of the normal water usage for the house, that's a significant

[0:38:07] Voice 10: impact.

[0:38:08] Voice 10: So, I think we've put everything as far as we possibly can to encourage it.

[0:38:14] Voice 10: And certainly, I'm going to assume that we're working with CRD, so when you're going to

[0:38:19] Voice 10: get your building permit, that when you're going to the permitting process, they're going

[0:38:22] Voice 10: going to strongly suggest like they're hoping they're going to have like a rainwater brochure

[0:38:27] Voice 10: and they're going to say okay when you're designing your house these are the things you

[0:38:31] Voice 10: should think of um and and and certainly pre-plumbing and making it accessible is one

[0:38:38] Voice 10: thing hooking it up is another thing and i don't know legislatively if we can require it

[0:38:43] Voice 10: i think there might be a legislative barrier but you know i tell you like if i have a sister

[0:38:51] Voice 10: I'm going to use that water. It would be almost illogical to want to come to an island, be made to put in a cistern, and then not tap it.

[0:39:05] Voice 10: Like that just doesn't...

[0:39:07] Voice 10: So question

[0:39:08] Voice 9: for Steph. I'm looking at part 3, 315, cistern requirements.

[0:39:13] Voice 9: requirements. Does this apply to all new builds? I'm just reading the amendment, not the sole

[0:39:22] Voice 9: bylaw. 3.15, a building permit for a lot outside a community water system shall not be issued for

[0:39:28] Voice 9: a new dwelling or secondary suite larger than thousands per feet unless a cistern, a combination

[0:39:33] Voice 9: of cisterns for the storage of fresh water having a total capacity of 18,000 liters located on the

[0:39:38] Voice 9: property. So it doesn't say hookup, but it's that

[0:39:41] Voice 9: the building permit will not be issued for any new

[0:39:43] Voice 9: dwelling unless a cistern exists. Also

[0:39:46] Voice 9: outside of a community water system that was the other

[0:39:48] Voice 9: outside a community water system yeah and in that uh particular requirement it also um

[0:39:55] Voice 9: uh identifies uh so that the cistern there's another regulation for cistern sizes for the

[0:40:03] Voice 9: smaller for the smaller uh under a thousand and one square feet that's uh in number two

[0:40:10] Voice 9: yeah so there's a there's a smaller system requirement but smaller 3 000 gallons yeah

[0:40:16] Voice 9: so how does the permitting i mean obviously because the crd issues a building permit but

[0:40:22] Voice 9: we have to um come come review

[0:40:27] Voice 1: for conformity for zoning

[0:40:28] Voice 9: so does it come back and then so we

[0:40:31] Voice 9: review first and so

[0:40:33] Voice 9: um so through that process would be we would be working with property owner

[0:40:38] Voice 9: to identify where their cistern will be

[0:40:41] Voice 9: in their sightings.

[0:40:42] Voice 9: Oh, so it would be part of the building permit application.

[0:40:45] Voice 1: Yeah.

[0:40:46] Voice 9: So we do the building permit review before it goes to the charity.

[0:40:51] Voice 9: Okay.

[0:40:52] Voice 9: So piggybacking on that, we could create like a flyer that went every time

[0:40:57] Voice 9: somebody was applying under this criteria to say, by the way,

[0:41:01] Voice 9: you can reasonably, I guess this would be the question.

[0:41:06] Voice 9: So if we said you had to hook this up to your toilet,

[0:41:08] Voice 9: does all the engineering expense etc kick in should we be lobbying the crd to if you want

[0:41:15] Voice 9: to hook it up to your toilet it should be in the bylaw oh so right now you just saw it so if we

[0:41:20] Voice 9: said that if you said that that's because part of the reason we've left it kind of open-ended

[0:41:26] Voice 9: was because of the concern about the extensive engineering requirements for potable water so we

[0:41:32] Voice 9: We need to put in a sentence here that says for non-potable use in laundry toilets, we require the cistern water, the rainwater clutch in the cistern be hooked up to the house.

[0:41:46] Voice 9: So is that is that doable? Is that something we can add in later?

[0:41:50] Voice 9: So my recommendation at this point in time with the bylaw is to move forward with what you currently have.

[0:41:55] Voice 1: right and then as a

[0:41:56] Voice 9: uh we can feature okay amendment to do that because uh i just feel

[0:42:01] Voice 9: like to get the appropriate wording we need a bit of time yeah okay

[0:42:05] Voice 1: adobe's question is that for

[0:42:08] Voice 1: outside of this project it's for any new bill is that what you're asking yeah

[0:42:12] Voice 9: i am asking so part

[0:42:14] Voice 9: three i'm just i would have to look up what part three is to see what section 315 is amending

[0:42:22] Voice 9: because it's just pulling in the amendments so i have to look at the original your current land

[0:42:29] Voice 9: use bylaw so

[0:42:31] Voice 6: you also might want to double check that those actually are considered non-potable

[0:42:35] Voice 6: yeah they are

[0:42:36] Voice 6: potable water yeah

[0:42:38] Voice 9: because well that's a bigger conversation yeah yeah for sure

[0:42:42] Voice 9: yeah i'm struggling yeah and we and we are the new construction we're specifically saying for

[0:42:50] Voice 9: for dwellings outside of water districts.

[0:42:52] Voice 9: So that opens the other question of,

[0:42:54] Voice 9: should we be simply saying that all new construction

[0:42:58] Voice 9: must have cistern and can we add that in

[0:43:02] Voice 9: without a major change?

[0:43:05] Voice 9: Yep, cause that's not, that would

[0:43:07] Voice 9: not be a change

[0:43:07] Voice 9: to density

[0:43:08] Voice 9: or use.

[0:43:09] Voice 9: Right, so we should be saying that any new building permit

[0:43:14] Voice 9: issues has to have the required standard rainwater cisterns.

[0:43:19] Voice 9: right so that's quite a change

[0:43:21] Voice 9: all right i think what you're asking for yeah is to remove um outside a community water system

[0:43:32] Voice 9: right you can just take that sentence out we take that sentence okay okay so so that'll be

[0:43:37] Voice 9: if yeah so if you're you'll have to all agree to that and then we can add that

[0:43:42] Voice 9: once we get to the okay so we can

[0:43:45] Voice 4: do that later

[0:43:46] Voice 9: so part three is in all zones yeah so part three

[0:43:52] Voice 9: if you go to your land use bylaw it's general regulations permitted in all zones so it would

[0:43:58] Voice 9: be adding a requirement that cisterns sorry just back to for any lot outside of a community water

[0:44:10] Voice 9: water system a building so a building permit for a lot outside of the community water system shall

[0:44:14] Voice 9: not be issued for a new dwelling or secondary suite so that applies in all zones already

[0:44:20] Voice 9: that's that is yeah but most of our

[0:44:22] Voice 6: yeah outside

[0:44:25] Voice 9: of the community water system so she needs to just remove that remove the water system

[0:44:29] Voice 9: okay so all new builds for all for whether you're in a water building

[0:44:34] Voice 9: permit for a

[0:44:36] Voice 9: we

[0:44:36] Voice 6: want that idea a

[0:44:38] Voice 9: building permit shall not be issued a building shall

[0:44:43] Voice 9: not be issued

[0:44:44] Voice 9: this would be to amend just to remove that sentence 315 system requirements building

[0:44:50] Voice 9: permit shall not be issued for a new dwelling or secretary suite and then with part two the

[0:44:58] Voice 9: same thing yeah so it's 2.5 whatever section one section two so we can amend that without

[0:45:06] Voice 9: having to start all over okay great

[0:45:09] Voice 1: so that's our compromise back back to janine's comment about

[0:45:13] Voice 1: brochure at the burger store um something on the website that highlights that i think would be

[0:45:19] Voice 1: fantastic and then we can point to that from the water system as well just to help educate and

[0:45:25] Voice 1: promote it so but

[0:45:26] Voice 9: i also think we need to be working like after this is done we can start

[0:45:31] Voice 9: out some new projects and need to be working with the crd hand in hand to say and it's not just main

[0:45:38] Voice 9: island it's all of the islands and they need to step up to the plate because they actually have

[0:45:42] Voice 9: the funds to help with grants etc and they have the ability to make sure when it comes down to

[0:45:48] Voice 9: building inspection time that things are done properly whereas we if that's outside our hands

[0:45:53] Voice 9: so

[0:45:53] Voice 11: happy to work with you yep

[0:45:56] Voice 9: one of the back there hello

[0:45:59] Voice 7: um

[0:46:00] Voice 9: so think about this a little bit

[0:46:02] Voice 9: more what happens if something is a major renovation to an existing home that requires

[0:46:07] Voice 9: a building permit would all of a sudden that person be required to put an assistant no no

[0:46:14] Voice 9: so the way it starts new go ahead chair

[0:46:18] Voice 11: um

[0:46:19] Voice 9: the way that the the amendment is written

[0:46:22] Voice 9: It's for a new build, a new dwelling, built for a new dwelling.

[0:46:27] Voice 9: It specifies new dwelling.

[0:46:30] Voice 12: Would that specifically tie into the building code?

[0:46:35] Voice 12: Can I ask you to

[0:46:37] Voice 9: speak up just so that's camera?

[0:46:39] Voice 9: Yeah, thanks.

[0:46:40] Voice 12: The building code, and I'd have to check to verify this,

[0:46:42] Voice 12: but the building code does state that if you're over a certain percentage

[0:46:46] Voice 12: of construction during a renovation, that it becomes a new build.

[0:46:52] Voice 12: and so all systems have to be upgraded so can we tie that into the building code definition

[0:46:58] Voice 12: of when a new build or upgrade renovation to new build is stated latter

[0:47:07] Voice 9: well so we've we've

[0:47:09] Voice 9: identified new dwelling or secondary suite so we would default to our definition of dwelling

[0:47:15] Voice 9: and secondary suite so they don't know I don't know whether that so so I don't

[0:47:24] Voice 9: think that the interpretation that you're offering would apply I

[0:47:27] Voice 12: was an

[0:47:30] Voice 12: added 2,000 square feet on to it with four new bathrooms those 2,000 square

[0:47:34] Voice 12: foot addition with four new bathrooms would not constitute new build on to

[0:47:38] Voice 12: your definition where it would constitute new construction under the

[0:47:42] Voice 12: building it's a it all comes back to water usage and how are you calculating the total water water

[0:47:54] Voice 12: usage for that building so if you're increasing the water usage of the building then it should

[0:47:59] Voice 12: fall under your legislation your standard for your your sales code as water usage then you'll

[0:48:08] Voice 12: be fine. You don't have to comply with it. So the definition I think needs to be tweaked

[0:48:15] Voice 12: so that it's about water conservation and not just square footage or how you're building

[0:48:22] Voice 12: that square footage.

[0:48:24] Voice 9: And that has to be done in conjunction with CRD. So that certainly is something that when

[0:48:29] Voice 9: we're finished with this project that we could be focusing on.

[0:48:38] Voice 9: Yeah, that is really a joint effort. Any thoughts on that?

[0:48:47] Voice 9: Yeah, I would say in terms of moving this project to the next step, that would be something that

[0:48:54] Voice 9: we'd need to have some further exploration of, so it wouldn't be something that could be easily

[0:48:59] Voice 9: integrated into the readings today. But good consideration, for sure.

[0:49:06] Voice 1: I had one more comment, but I don't know whether it falls into this or the next session on the

[0:49:11] Voice 1: It's about water use restrictions and limitations, so it's great to have all the infrastructure and so forth, but as you know, the water districts, including the CRD, have levels of water use during the drought season.

[0:49:27] Voice 1: So you see the signs for Scannagate and Surfside, they move through the level so they say you can't use district water for external use.

[0:49:40] Voice 1: And there's also monthly limitations in terms of consumption in some of the water districts.

[0:49:46] Voice 1: So would that be something that would be prescribed in for these flexible new houses to say they're not part of water districts, but would you still have a hard to enforce, I imagine, but, you know, but I think I just I'm throwing it out there as a suggestion because we're all doing that.

[0:50:10] Voice 1: and

[0:50:11] Voice 4: how

[0:50:12] Voice 1: would you consider doing something like that for these

[0:50:15] Voice 9: i think i think we add it to this

[0:50:17] Voice 9: new section to figure out ways of how we would incur i don't know that we you know bylaw would

[0:50:24] Voice 9: be able to but it's worth asking the question of crd building is i mean we have to work as a group

[0:50:30] Voice 9: with island health um so so i think we can add it to this future conversation about how do we

[0:50:37] Voice 6: We

[0:50:37] Voice 9: actually, and it goes back to the education

[0:50:40] Voice 9: and to whether we can get funding as an island group

[0:50:43] Voice 9: about making sure everybody has the education to understand.

[0:50:47] Voice 9: Obviously, you don't wash your car, you don't water your garden,

[0:50:51] Voice 9: and we reach that drought stage pretty early these days.

[0:50:55] Voice 9: There's a limit to how much a land use bylaw can regulate

[0:50:58] Voice 9: in terms of activities on the land.

[0:51:00] Voice 9: So we regulate siting, use, density, you know, structures, but it's, and I think we're kind

[0:51:10] Voice 9: of reaching the limits when we say how much water is required for each welling, but then

[0:51:15] Voice 9: how that water is used is, I think that's more of a soft education piece, but I hear

[0:51:22] Voice 9: your, I hear the, it's a good, it's a valid point for sure.

[0:51:25] Voice 9: Yeah, I'm

[0:51:27] Voice 8: Tara Welch, and I just was sitting here thinking about how we used to do home tours to see people's gardens.

[0:51:36] Voice 8: Oh, yeah.

[0:51:37] Voice 8: One of the things would be really interesting, I think, for people is to have some exemplary examples where people could actually tour like 10 or 12 different places that were using different kinds of water catchment and ideas to be able to just spark that, you know, imagination and understanding about what might work someplace else,

[0:52:03] Voice 8: which was kind of the purpose of the home tours like those ideas right so i just think it would

[0:52:10] Voice 8: be that would be a really kind of strong anchor for education and

[0:52:15] Voice 9: backing on that you have main

[0:52:16] Voice 9: island conservancy and you have the garden club and so huge opportunities and some grant money

[0:52:22] Voice 9: from the crd that sort of pull it all together yeah

[0:52:25] Voice 9: yeah so i've added it to this whole section

[0:52:28] Voice 9: of future conversations about yeah more control over water more education more understanding

[0:52:34] Voice 9: yeah having some examples of like usage during those dry months what the

[0:52:40] Voice 9: gentleman offered of

[0:52:41] Voice 9: you can actually really know how much your your roof is going to collect and

[0:52:46] Voice 8: then and just seeing

[0:52:47] Voice 9: how it actually

[0:52:48] Voice 8: works like

[0:52:49] Voice 9: visually seeing yeah good idea any other questions i'm sensing a real

[0:52:57] Voice 9: with water here the housing uh um amendments that we could look into but go ahead um actually i

[0:53:07] Voice 6: think with two questions but first one is uh for the water like for people adding houses onto a

[0:53:15] Voice 6: well that now changes the designation of that wealth into a system so i noticed something in

[0:53:22] Voice 6: that that for the education of people who are going to build more homes is now you have to have

[0:53:29] Voice 6: your basic water operating permit you have to does if it's not already registered register with bha

[0:53:35] Voice 6: and has to be monthly testing for that well so people may be having to understand that

[0:53:41] Voice 6: if they're going to do that on their land that that is part of it that that's now you're

[0:53:47] Voice 6: that to me

[0:53:48] Voice 9: that's coming from the crd you applied for your billing permit you probably know you

[0:53:52] Voice 9: it seems to be and i don't know if it's written in stone anywhere if you have a house in your

[0:53:57] Voice 9: zone for a cottage which reflects housing basically is saying you've got a house already

[0:54:02] Voice 9: you've got a well and you add a structure they seem to be that you can get away with adding that

[0:54:08] Voice 9: one structure without but that is a crd issue yeah so

[0:54:14] Voice 9: we don't issue you know we yeah yeah

[0:54:15] Voice 9: so certainly it's you know somebody gets gung-ho and you know they've got their well i mean

[0:54:20] Voice 9: I mean, fortunately, you know, their septic is already of a certain size.

[0:54:23] Voice 9: But once you share a well, yes, you have to become a purveyor of water.

[0:54:27] Voice 9: It's very complicated.

[0:54:28] Voice 9: Absolutely.

[0:54:29] Voice 9: None of this is, you know, which is why housing is expensive.

[0:54:33] Voice 9: But it's always more expensive here because you've got all the stuff that comes before the roof gets put on.

[0:54:40] Voice 9: So none of

[0:54:41] Voice 9: this is a simple fix.

[0:54:44] Voice 6: and the other one is for all this flex housing is there any way that we know

[0:54:51] Voice 6: that it's not all going to become airbnbs or short-term rentals in here

[0:54:56] Voice 6: i

[0:54:56] Voice 9: guess

[0:55:00] Voice 6: having enforcement for it so we

[0:55:03] Voice 9: have friend just gone but she just assured us that

[0:55:06] Voice 9: yeah yeah our enforcement's quite good because

[0:55:10] Voice 6: in our neighborhood there was a house that was

[0:55:11] Voice 6: we know yeah and remember to go and it's like how long we

[0:55:17] Voice 9: have that's one of our standing

[0:55:19] Voice 9: standing policies is anybody anybody who's running a non-permitted airbnb i mean our bylaw office

[0:55:27] Voice 9: goes through they go through the ads they do the best they can they

[0:55:30] Voice 9: notify people they find people

[0:55:32] Voice 9: now the problem with the fines is sometimes it's cheaper to pay but nonetheless slowly but surely

[0:55:38] Voice 9: we are i mean for all the islands i would think we have the least trouble because we have when i

[0:55:44] Voice 9: say we like in 2007 when none of us had even heard what the heck an airbnb or short-term

[0:55:49] Voice 9: vacation rental was we

[0:55:50] Voice 9: were already on top of it back then so so it's actually so proactive

[0:55:56] Voice 9: enforcement is one of the items on our agenda we have a standing resolution but the ltc had

[0:56:01] Voice 9: recently adopted an ltc bylaw compliance and enforcement policy that really does set pulls

[0:56:06] Voice 9: everything together with regard to short-term vacation rentals and we've done our whole review

[0:56:12] Voice 9: of the bylaw enforcement project is that there's a much more yeah the pathway is is it's laid out

[0:56:20] Voice 9: much more clearly and I think there's better information coming than we've had before for

[0:56:26] Voice 9: the public so yeah I think there's there's a lot more that can be done but it does specifically

[0:56:32] Voice 9: typically prohibit any of those new dwellings for being used as a short-term vacation.

[0:56:38] Voice 8: Targeted. Targeted.

[0:56:39] Voice 9: But very good point.

[0:56:41] Voice 7: It's just going to work.

[0:56:42] Voice 7: Yeah.

[0:56:44] Voice 12: Just a general question, and it's about the size of flex housing units. And I understand

[0:56:49] Voice 12: that it relates to the existing dwelling and the property size. I'm having, I was going

[0:56:57] Voice 12: to ask you a question, but I don't want to ask a question until I hear the actual...

[0:57:01] Voice 12: So

[0:57:01] Voice 9: the whole formula,

[0:57:03] Voice 12: the

[0:57:04] Voice 9: whole, well, the whole concept was based on our zoning has always been

[0:57:08] Voice 9: basically residential 20% lot coverage. So if I have 1000 square foot lot, 20% of that is about

[0:57:15] Voice 9: 5000 square foot house. So when before this project started, I thought, well, whether we

[0:57:21] Voice 9: can shrink the footprints down to maybe 2500 square feet. So the idea was less lot coverage

[0:57:26] Voice 9: coverage overall

[0:57:27] Voice 9: so there's a whole formula in the package and i'm not sure if it's less than

[0:57:31] Voice 9: if it's more like 50 coverage but it's a formula if your house is x size then this is how much more

[0:57:38] Voice 9: you can have but it's a huge reduction overall is a huge reduction on the built footprint on

[0:57:44] Voice 9: your land because our number one job is to preserve and protect and we are trying to shrink

[0:57:49] Voice 9: the built footprint on these properties and enable homes maybe home for grandma maybe home

[0:57:56] Voice 9: for your kids not necessarily rental homes um not necessarily vacation homes but that's there

[0:58:02] Voice 9: is a formula you have to go back and look at so it's policy two one one two uh and you might we

[0:58:09] Voice 9: can take a look at it so the residential density shall be one dwelling per lot on parcels greater

[0:58:13] Voice 9: than 0.6 hectares one additional dwelling for each additional 0.6 hectares and in designated

[0:58:20] Voice 9: native flexible housing area is up to three dwellings per lot provided total floor area

[0:58:24] Voice 9: does not exceed a maximum prescribed in zoning um and so it is is adjusting

[0:58:33] Voice 9: you can increase in size by one for each 0.6 hectare um but then the total floor area

[0:58:44] Voice 9: area cannot exceed but i don't think it gives a maximum i think that it is all i

[0:58:51] Voice 6: know is there's

[0:58:51] Voice 9: a lot less coverage than what you traditionally are committed to have so what you're currently

[0:58:56] Voice 9: legally allowed to build on these properties which are residentially so it's going to be

[0:59:03] Voice 9: considerably less square footage so

[0:59:07] Voice 12: that is how i understood it yeah yeah yeah

[0:59:09] Voice 12: that's the question

[0:59:10] Voice 12: My question was that if you had a lot, let's say, just for talking purposes, say your lot

[0:59:14] Voice 12: allowed you to build 5,000 square feet, and you have an existing 1,000 square foot home

[0:59:19] Voice 12: that you don't want to touch, could you build a 4,000 square foot home?

[0:59:24] Voice 9: Well, I think you have to be, so say when you were allowed five, I'm still pretty sure

[0:59:27] Voice 9: the formula brings you down to about 2,500.

[0:59:29] Voice 9: So you can build 15, you already have 1,000, you can build 15, or you already have 1,000,

[0:59:34] Voice 9: you can build 1,700.

[0:59:35] Voice 9: So 25

[0:59:35] Voice 12: is the maximum?

[0:59:37] Voice 9: Well, I don't, it's based on lot size.

[0:59:39] Voice 9: Yeah, I mean, I think it's the question you're asking, if you already had the dwelling and

[0:59:45] Voice 9: then you wanted to build another one, you'd still have to, you'd have to be within the

[0:59:49] Voice 9: maximum if you want to have that additional dwelling.

[0:59:51] Voice 12: Right.

[0:59:52] Voice 9: Yeah.

[0:59:52] Voice 9: So

[0:59:53] Voice 12: the question is, what's the maximum and the maximum is based on the size of a percentage.

[0:59:57] Voice 12: that the combined...

[1:00:00] Voice 9: The combined maximum for all units is based on the size of the lot, so it increases based on the size of the lot.

[1:00:09] Voice 9: So, I mean, I'm just looking at, in the, so on a lot less than 0.5, 1.5 acres, 0.6 hectares, the combined floor area is 2,500 square feet.

[1:00:31] Voice 9: 2500 square feet but that's only for two phones on that smaller size and so it increases

[1:00:39] Voice 9: uh incrementally depending on the lot size but do we have a table for that we do

[1:00:46] Voice 9: i'm trying to

[1:00:47] Voice 9: but it's actually the bottom line is it's way less than what you currently are in the yeah so

[1:00:53] Voice 9: that's correct and i'm

[1:00:54] Voice 9: thinking 50 less but that that's off the

[1:00:56] Voice 9: top of my head

[1:00:57] Voice 9: the whole idea

[1:00:59] Voice 9: they're in different sections

[1:01:00] Voice 9: we could pause and actually just

[1:01:03] Voice 9: make sure we're answering this correctly

[1:01:07] Voice 9: because it's

[1:01:10] it

[1:01:11] Voice 9: will be in our actual

[1:01:12] Voice 9: yeah so

[1:01:13] Voice 9: the number of dwellings

[1:01:14] Voice 9: yeah the number of dwellings that can be added

[1:01:16] Voice 9: is in the amending

[1:01:19] Voice 9: bylaws but

[1:01:20] Voice 9: it still has to conform to the

[1:01:24] Voice 9: I don't see any

[1:01:27] Voice 9: it's i think it's what it's i think it's in each i'm trying to find it here

[1:01:31] Voice 9: you have to go to the existing flights for the existing ballot yeah

[1:01:35] Voice 1: we need to look at the

[1:01:36] Voice 1: existing

[1:01:36] Voice 9: bylaw to find it right i have to go to an island yeah so this is it so it's for use of

[1:01:44] Voice 9: buildings and structures i think

[1:01:45] Voice 9: it's under each um under each designation oh is it right at the

[1:01:51] Voice 9: beginning with designations? Under each designation it would identify where it sits.

[1:02:05] Voice 9: You know, I would have brought my paper copy. You shouldn't have the full land use

[1:02:10] Voice 9: I don't know,

[1:02:12] Voice 9: I don't know, I don't know, I don't

[1:02:15] Voice 8: know, I don't know, I don't

[1:02:15] Voice 9: know.

[1:02:28] Voice 9: Okay, so it's in density.

[1:02:32] Voice 9: Um, if you look at your page 24 of your land use by law.

[1:02:36] Voice 4: one

[1:02:37] Voice 9: dwelling lot unit per lot one additional dwelling for every 0.6 hectares of lot area

[1:02:43] Voice 9: greater than 0.6 hectares one cottage is permitted and then the following density on lots having area

[1:02:50] Voice 9: less than 0.6 hectares one additional dwelling is permitted the total combined floor area of

[1:02:56] Voice 9: all dwellings does not exceed 2500 square feet what narissa said areas greater than 0.6 hectares

[1:03:04] Voice 9: but not exceeding 1.2 two dwellings in a cottage are permitted at the total combined

[1:03:11] Voice 9: floor area of all dwellings and cottages does not exceed 3,500 square feet so there is a formula

[1:03:18] Voice 9: that steps up by 0.6 hectares so that's three three eight uh 1.5 acres um so yeah it does

[1:03:31] Voice 9: depend on the size

[1:03:32] Voice 9: of the lot you do it's all summarized in a send out that we did when we

[1:03:37] Voice 9: first did the flex oh good okay so and it is it's in the bylaw it's in the bylaw we just have to go

[1:03:43] Voice 9: through the designations so on lots less than 0.5 so 1.5 um acres the one secondary uh one secondary

[1:03:55] Voice 9: suite and one additional dwelling is permitted for a total combined floor area of 232 meters

[1:04:04] Voice 9: squared so that's 2,500 square feet which is existing for that size area

[1:04:13] Voice 11: yeah and then when

[1:04:14] Voice 11: you

[1:04:14] Voice 9: get up to lots that are between 0.6 hectares and 1.2 so that's 1.5 acres to three acres then

[1:04:24] Voice 9: it increases to 3,500 square feet and that's where you are allowed to have two essentially three

[1:04:34] Voice 9: independent units and that's where we're getting into that that amount of floor area is less than

[1:04:41] Voice 9: total the lot coverage and then when you get when you get up into three acres to 12.35 acres

[1:04:53] Voice 9: I don't know. I can't remember.

[1:04:55] Voice 9: 1.2 hectares to 5 hectares.

[1:04:58] Voice 9: We were looking at lots that were under 5 hectares.

[1:05:01] Voice 9: Then you can have up to four separate units

[1:05:07] Voice 9: within a total floor area of 436 metres squared

[1:05:13] Voice 9: or 4,750 square feet.

[1:05:17] Voice 9: So this is in the existing land use catalog?

[1:05:20] Voice 9: That's the existing.

[1:05:21] Voice 9: That's the existing.

[1:05:22] Voice 9: saying so if your question was if you have a thousand square foot home can you build a bigger

[1:05:27] Voice 9: cottage as long as you're staying within that floor area i don't think it matters

[1:05:34] Voice 12: you've got a 10 acre piece of property and a thousand square foot home on it

[1:05:38] Voice 12: that would allow you to build uh 33

[1:05:40] Voice 9: extra homes up to or a single home or a single large home

[1:05:45] Voice 9: yeah which is still way less than what you're currently allowed if you're in within in the

[1:05:51] Voice 9: flex zone okay let's just try here so

[1:05:55] Voice 12: it's not quite it's not quite targeting affordable housing

[1:05:59] Voice 12: if you're building no

[1:06:01] Voice 9: it actually is doing the number one purpose the island stress preserving

[1:06:05] Voice 9: is protected that really is the core to where this all like in my brain when it started how

[1:06:10] Voice 9: are we preserving protecting we are shrinking the built footprint so that's came within this flex

[1:06:16] Voice 9: housing without downsizing everyone. So

[1:06:19] Voice 9: we're actually reducing the impact of structures on

[1:06:23] Voice 9: your land. So about 10 acres, and I can, 20%, I could build humongous, and people do. So instead

[1:06:30] Voice 9: of doing the idea of making a small, you know, putting a cap on the size of houses, it was a

[1:06:36] Voice 9: carrot not the stick you were fine oh that was the yes not part of what oh

[1:06:44] Voice 9: yeah so it doesn't mean that the baby you know obviously you're going to have two houses but

[1:06:49] Voice 9: still they're going to be weight you're still going to reduce the impact on the land and that's

[1:06:53] Voice 9: what preserver protects about it's also about people so it's two purposes here in my mind

[1:07:00] Voice 9: yeah and again we can't prescribe how people live so there is we're trying for that balance of

[1:07:07] Voice 9: allowing the flexibility there was a um a strong argument on on south pender island where i also

[1:07:14] Voice 9: chair um and they have a limit on maximum house sizes um so they haven't done this approach of

[1:07:22] Voice 9: multiple buildings but one person immediately came forward with a development variance for

[1:07:29] Voice 9: for a larger house because they had three generations

[1:07:33] Voice 9: that needed to live together

[1:07:34] Voice 9: and needed water hallways for accessibility.

[1:07:36] Voice 9: So you can't always say that three small buildings

[1:07:41] Voice 9: is going to be appropriate.

[1:07:42] Voice 9: It might be that, you know, one, you know,

[1:07:46] Voice 9: to use 3,200 square foot house is the appropriate use,

[1:07:51] Voice 9: but there's a limit of what we can push.

[1:07:54] Voice 12: Except we're selling this very first line in your,

[1:07:59] Voice 12: discussion here is on bylaw 196-197 is to support main island's need for more affordable housing

[1:08:06] Voice 12: options and in the current parlance of affordable option housing 3,600 square feet it's not

[1:08:13] Voice 12: affordable housing you are discussing a thousand square feet 12,000 sorry a thousand square feet

[1:08:19] Voice 12: 1200 square feet as affordable housing you know roughly it could even be smaller it should be

[1:08:23] Voice 12: smaller but we're i'm not even sure

[1:08:26] Voice 9: not even sure in the flex area we have anything that large

[1:08:30] Voice 9: in terms of lots yeah we can have a look um yeah i don't know what the area that we actually

[1:08:39] Voice 9: designated um well there is no there's a 12 acre one is it 12 acre yeah there's one 12 acre

[1:08:48] Voice 9: uh five to eight hectares there's one point four to five hectares but most of those have

[1:08:56] Voice 9: already been passed and are in place i would think that the current ones that we are looking

[1:09:00] Voice 9: community the expansion which isn't a huge amount i'm not sure actually how many dwellings we

[1:09:05] Voice 9: actually have in this we're just expanding we've already passed the bylaw before so this is not

[1:09:11] Voice 9: not new this is just an extension for the flex house and i'm not sure yeah oh good i guess

[1:09:18] Voice 12: we're adding things i'm always concerned about with municipal legislation of any kind is that

[1:09:26] Voice 12: you did mention earlier that you can always claw back yeah but

[1:09:29] Voice 12: i've rarely come across

[1:09:30] Voice 12: municipality that claws back it's it's almost always that there's incremental creep so you put

[1:09:36] Voice 12: in one bylaw this year and then five years down the road you add an additional extension onto

[1:09:40] Voice 12: that bylaw which allows for a little bit more and then

[1:09:43] Voice 12: 10 years down the road you put something

[1:09:45] Voice 12: else in which allows for a little bit more which cumulatively over time increases that number

[1:09:51] Voice 12: dramatically based on what you may have started at the first point so and that's very difficult

[1:09:56] Voice 12: to claw back yeah you

[1:09:58] Voice 12: probably know that's never i don't know if it has happened here but i know

[1:10:02] Voice 12: on other jurisdictions that i've been in it doesn't happen and it'll end up in court that's

[1:10:08] Voice 10: all kind of reason yes but but definitely may not and i think if anything is exception to the rules

[1:10:13] Voice 10: but like we did claw back at the main end we didn't fall back that's a better property we

[1:10:19] Voice 10: We would just, it wasn't last year, we did, the Deer Farm follows property.

[1:10:25] Voice 10: We did claw back there.

[1:10:28] Voice 9: And they're looking at removing subdivision potential.

[1:10:31] Voice 9: And Galeano, we have the right, I mean, they did that, Galeano, the right to build a dwelling.

[1:10:36] Voice 9: So the Islands Trust has a long record of changing zoning and taking away density.

[1:10:42] Voice 9: city. So in Maine, we took over 100 units of tourist accommodation away, of which 70,

[1:10:48] Voice 9: I think, yeah, it was almost about 70 of them were at Bennett Bay. It was a huge amount

[1:10:54] Voice 9: of Bennett Bay. So we have done it. We

[1:10:56] Voice 6: have precedent. So

[1:10:58] Voice 12: I say that with...

[1:10:59] Voice 12: Where I was getting on this was, can this whole thing be stepped back now? And then

[1:11:06] Voice 12: if it does, if it is successful in some way, can it be increased in the future to what

[1:11:11] Voice 12: to what you're talking about now rather than going you know five paces ahead go three paces ahead and

[1:11:17] Voice 12: see how it goes almost like a pilot project which is what

[1:11:21] Voice 12: we've done we've

[1:11:22] Voice 9: already done that we

[1:11:23] Voice 9: already have the first part of it's already done i remember like two years ago three years there

[1:11:28] Voice 9: hasn't been a relationship it's just an expansion so we already

[1:11:31] Voice 12: have a flex area decreed and that

[1:11:34] Voice 12: wasn't a rush if there wasn't a rush to build why do we need to increase it more to well because

[1:11:38] Voice 9: because we took on a project to do a complete look at what housing could be should be might

[1:11:44] Voice 9: be we had more time having gone through that first process now we see all sorts because there's all

[1:11:50] Voice 9: sorts of other changes in here to facilitate yeah

[1:11:53] Voice 9: yeah so we're hoping that this will be the final

[1:11:56] Voice 9: finish of what we need to do to enable a variety of different changes in our our zoning to allow

[1:12:03] Voice 9: for joint housing affordable housing mobile home parks everything so it's kind of the tail end of

[1:12:12] Voice 9: a project that started eight years ago but really it leaves it to the landowner and that's why it's

[1:12:19] Voice 9: called flex housing because we can't dictate that people will build or build in that way

[1:12:25] Voice 9: um but i guess what you're asking is what's the how how can we measure success of the project like

[1:12:35] Voice 9: are we still seeing a trend of of more smaller buildings that's encouraging intergenerational

[1:12:41] Voice 9: living i think time will tell we're not

[1:12:43] Voice 9: there yet this is the best this committee has been able

[1:12:48] Voice 9: to do with the science that we have at this point um to increase where possible but it'll be up to

[1:12:55] Voice 9: the community and landowners to take that up or not i i don't think there will in my experience

[1:13:01] Voice 9: there isn't i think the the legend goes on on salt spring island there could have been

[1:13:08] Voice 9: uh 1200 secondary suites built or something because the the allowance is there and they

[1:13:13] Voice 9: just there was on gabriola we had secondary suites for um properties of five acres or more

[1:13:21] Voice 9: and literally none like four or five were built over a 10-year stand so it's it's so

[1:13:29] Voice 9: it's it's these changes i i'm recognizing they look um like they could have an impact

[1:13:37] Voice 9: but i think the reality is that people will do what makes sense and then this committee is going

[1:13:44] Voice 9: to be able to gauge is this working or not and they're very tuned to what this community um

[1:13:50] Voice 9: needs, I think. And also this, the original flex housing, what I call tiny homes started

[1:13:57] Voice 9: back in 2019. And our island and our world is a very different place. And the housing concerns,

[1:14:05] Voice 9: first off, we're getting to build up in the documents you have here, it tells you how many

[1:14:09] Voice 9: empty lots we have. And it's taken us a long time to get to build out. So all everything has

[1:14:15] Voice 9: has mushroomed in the last five years, as we realize that affordability, lack of rentals,

[1:14:21] Voice 9: a huge influx of younger families wanting to live here, all of these mean that now is the time for

[1:14:27] Voice 9: us to set the tone so that hopefully, you know, the one secondary suite, but who knows, in five

[1:14:34] Voice 9: years, maybe there'll be five secondary suites. So this, we have to start somewhere. And that's

[1:14:39] Voice 9: what we've done here is we moved this forward to enlarge the area we were quite cautious with the

[1:14:46] Voice 9: first section of flex housing in terms of what we were going to put in we were very very um very

[1:14:52] Voice 9: caution a lot of precautionary principle there and i think once we felt more comfortable with

[1:14:57] Voice 9: we got some of our water reports back we had meetings with william william shuba we also had

[1:15:04] Voice 9: the rezoning for the salish grove we saw what a complicated project to get that through with the

[1:15:10] Voice 9: with the bylaws that we already had in place and so there's a lot of changes to now how we would

[1:15:15] Voice 9: be looking at low-income housing projects so it all comes together as a complete package at a time

[1:15:21] Voice 9: where we have some information and some history of what we've been doing in the last eight years and

[1:15:29] Voice 9: that's so i think it's time for us to move forward we also have a certain amount of government

[1:15:33] Voice 9: pressures we're excluded from a lot of the housing rules but you know the government's going to kind

[1:15:39] Voice 9: of look at you like you know well don't complain to us about other things when you're not taking

[1:15:44] Voice 9: any part of what is needed in BC in general and certainly here all of the housing studies that

[1:15:50] Voice 9: have been done consistently show lack of affordability lack of options so I think

[1:15:57] Voice 9: we're doing as best we can our part to enable a lot more to happen but you can tell us what you

[1:16:03] Voice 9: you think during the public hearing whether you support it or not because that's your time to tell

[1:16:09] Voice 9: the local trust committee what you think uh do you have any more questions if not i think we need to

[1:16:14] Voice 9: move into the rest of it i

[1:16:15] Voice 8: just wanted to um say that i really commend having more options as many

[1:16:22] Voice 8: different kinds of options as makes sense for our island because that's where you'll get

[1:16:29] Voice 8: the quality of life that you want you know in different places so that there's more things

[1:16:36] Voice 8: that will make sense it'll make sense on one property it won't make sense on another

[1:16:40] Voice 8: and we have that flexibility great comment for the public hearing so

[1:16:45] Voice 9: speaking of um we do have

[1:16:49] Voice 9: a community information session for rezoning for woofy fairies and i did see the applicant um

[1:16:55] Voice 9: was online for a little bit. Hi Lee, are you still here and able to answer any questions if the

[1:17:06] Voice 9: public is here with any questions for you? The focus has been, hi Mr. Orfin, good to see you,

[1:17:13] Voice 9: thanks for joining us today.

[1:17:15] Voice 2: Hey, yeah, thanks for having me. Yeah, myself and Jameson, the project

[1:17:20] Voice 2: manager are here to support um any any questions that might come up um so yeah i've just been

[1:17:28] Voice 2: tuning in so thank you very much

[1:17:30] Voice 9: appreciate your patience thank you um do any members of the

[1:17:35] Voice 9: community have questions of uh for bc ferries about the rezoning proposal um it is in the agenda

[1:17:43] Voice 9: for today I hope people will stay and give their comments for the public

[1:17:50] Voice 9: hearing I think the focus is pretty much on the housing here today

[1:18:06] Voice 9: hi Jameson we'll get to consideration of that a little bit later in the agenda so

[1:18:13] Voice 9: So I don't think there's any questions from the community for you.

[1:18:19] Voice 9: Let me just look at where we're going to.

[1:18:24] Voice 9: Yeah, so we'll come to your application probably about 3, I would imagine 3.30ish.

[1:18:34] Voice 9: Yeah, but I'm not seeing anybody wanting to ask questions about this at this time.

[1:18:39] Voice 9: Yes?

[1:18:39] Voice 9: I don't even know where it's...

[1:18:40] Voice 9: Oh, it's a

[1:18:41] Voice 9: rezoning for a shoreline,

[1:18:45] Voice 9: a foreshore rock wall on the terminal for BC Ferries.

[1:18:50] Voice 9: So it's part of our agenda.

[1:18:52] Voice 9: They already have a temporary use permit for this one.

[1:18:56] Voice 9: Yes.

[1:18:57] Voice 6: Yes.

[1:19:00] Voice 9: For

[1:19:00] Voice 6: all the work.

[1:19:01] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:19:02] Voice 6: I

[1:19:02] Voice 9: think we'll get to the public hearing now

[1:19:05] Voice 9: and we'll come back to you by 3.30.

[1:19:09] Voice 9: so thanks for your patience perfect

[1:19:11] Voice 2: thanks guys all

[1:19:12] Voice 9: right so just before everybody leaves

[1:19:16] Voice 9: we have a bit of a procedure to read through um so a public hearing is a formal legislative process

[1:19:26] Voice 9: and uh so i have to go through a bit of a spiel and here we've got if you could please come

[1:19:34] Voice 9: and write your names if you wish to address the local trust committee we need full names and

[1:19:40] Voice 9: spelling if it's not obvious i can write them down or maybe janine you can't hear that because

[1:19:45] Voice 9: you know people's names that's great um okay so we're now going to move into the public hearing

[1:19:52] Voice 9: for proposed bylaws 196 and 197 and i will read through a bit of a spiel and then we'll come to

[1:20:00] Voice 9: you so the public hearing for proposed bylaws 196 and 197 is now open i wish to welcome everyone in

[1:20:08] Voice 9: attendance and acknowledge that we are meeting in the territory of the coast salish first nations

[1:20:13] Voice 9: my name is trustee toby elliott i'm the chair of the main island local trust committee

[1:20:19] Voice 9: i'd like to introduce the main island local trust committee uh trustees janine dodds

[1:20:23] Voice 9: and david bunt and introducing as well islands trust planning staff narissa chadwick island

[1:20:30] Voice 9: planner and a Bruce Belcher also island planner and minute taker and recorder recorder Lisa Millard

[1:20:40] Voice 9: so the folks yeah so we'll ask you to raise your hand to speak when it's if you're online if

[1:20:49] Voice 9: anybody is online and wishes to address us just to clarify Lisa we I don't think we have any speakers

[1:20:56] Voice 9: speakers online no okay so this public hearing is being convened pursuant to section 465 of the

[1:21:05] Voice 9: local government act in order to consider the following proposed bylaws proposed bylaw number

[1:21:10] Voice 9: 196 cited as main island official community plan bylaw number 144 2007 amendment number one 2025

[1:21:17] Voice 9: 2025, proposed by-law number 197, cited as Maine Island land use by-law number 146, 2008,

[1:21:25] Voice 9: amendment number 1, 2025. All persons who believe that their interest in property is affected by

[1:21:32] Voice 9: the proposed by-laws will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard or to present written

[1:21:37] Voice 9: submissions respecting matters contained in the proposed by-laws. Those wishing to speak should

[1:21:44] Voice 9: commence their presentation by clearly stating their name and address. Members of the local

[1:21:50] Voice 9: trust committee may, if they wish, ask questions of you following your presentation. However,

[1:21:56] Voice 9: the main function of the local trust committee members is to listen to the views of the public.

[1:22:00] Voice 9: It is not the function of committee members to debate the merits of the proposed bylaws

[1:22:05] Voice 9: with individual citizens. This is why we had the information back and forth before,

[1:22:12] Voice 9: for because now we're just here to listen. Everyone will be given a reasonable opportunity

[1:22:17] Voice 9: to be heard and

[1:22:18] Voice 9: none should feel discouraged from presenting his or her views. In considering the

[1:22:23] Voice 9: proposed bylaws, the local trust committee has received documents which may influence its

[1:22:28] Voice 9: decision. These documents are available for review during this meeting on our website and it's

[1:22:34] Voice 9: indicated in the public hearing notice. Any person who wishes to present a written submission to the

[1:22:40] Voice 9: the local trust committee may do so and all written submissions must be received by the

[1:22:44] Voice 9: local trust committee before the close of the hearing. So if you don't feel comfortable saying

[1:22:48] Voice 9: anything you can write it down we'll all read it. Your only opportunity to comment on the proposed

[1:22:54] Voice 9: bylaws is during this hearing as members of the local trust committee may not receive further

[1:23:00] Voice 9: submissions after the close of the hearing. After this public hearing is concluded the local trust

[1:23:05] Voice 9: committee may without further notice make whatever decision it deems proper with respect to the

[1:23:11] Voice 9: bylaws that is the subject of the plan of the public hearing island planner nurissa chadwick

[1:23:17] Voice 9: will now summarize the public hearing notice key points of the bylaw and referral agency responses

[1:23:25] Voice 9: um yes so the purpose of the bylaws number 196 so first of all the copies of the public hearing

[1:23:35] Voice 9: finder are available here. We've got two of them, blue ones, if you are interested in any of the materials in there.

[1:23:45] Voice 9: Also available on our website. So all of the correspondence received, bylaws, everything is contained in those bylaws.

[1:23:55] Voice 9: The purpose of bylaw number 196 and 197 is to support Maine Island's need for more affordable housing options.

[1:24:03] Voice 9: The wilds help to increase flexibility in zoning, permit additional housing units without

[1:24:08] Voice 9: balancing the need to preserve and protect the environment.

[1:24:14] Voice 9: So these changes include updated population projections, updated definitions, increasing

[1:24:21] Voice 9: flexibility for residential use in commercial areas, permission to allow accessory dwelling

[1:24:29] Voice 9: units on lot of smaller lots um 0.4 activity 0.6 expansion of flexible housing zoning as

[1:24:36] Voice 9: we've discussed um policy policies related to permitting uh small unit cluster housings

[1:24:44] Voice 9: through rezoning temporary use permit guidelines for tiny homes on wheels permitting non-profit

[1:24:50] Voice 9: housing in most posted predesignations um permitting a reduction in minimum partial

[1:24:56] Voice 9: size to facilitate land for donation to government, not-for-profit organizations and impersonations

[1:25:02] Voice 9: for housing, requiring freshwater cisterns to be built, updating potable water requirements

[1:25:09] Voice 9: for subdivisions, prohibiting groundwater-fed swimming pools, and permitting RVBs as temporary

[1:25:15] Voice 9: dwellings to temporary use permits only.

[1:25:19] Voice 9: The proposed bylaws were referred to the Ministry of Municipal and Credit Housing, Capital and

[1:25:24] Voice 9: um all of the um all of the uh the improvement districts um on the island um the the local

[1:25:38] Voice 9: subcommittees that have any any that are close by um and a number of first nations that were

[1:25:46] Voice 9: that uh identify the question area because a number which is why we'll read them all out

[1:25:53] Voice 9: And Gulf Island School District.

[1:25:55] Voice 9: And the Gulf Island School District, yes.

[1:25:59] Voice 9: We received referral responses from most of the water districts related to concerns about

[1:26:07] Voice 9: water use.

[1:26:08] Voice 9: We received some referral responses from First Nations identifying that their interests were

[1:26:21] Voice 9: unaffected.

[1:26:22] Voice 9: uh a couch nation uh did identify some interests um and questions around um the extent to which

[1:26:29] Voice 9: um um impacts to the environment were considered impacts to cultural heritage uh and um the sort of

[1:26:40] Voice 9: um uh what's the word uh the impacts over time of all cumulative cumulative that's the word i was

[1:26:48] Voice 9: And we did have a very good conversation with their referrals staff person, and it was good.

[1:26:56] Voice 9: It opened up an opportunity for us to have more conversation.

[1:27:00] Voice 9: It was a good opportunity to share our process and how we've integrated all of those considerations into the bylaws.

[1:27:07] Voice 9: And so they felt quite satisfied with our process.

[1:27:11] Voice 9: And again, it was a nice opportunity to build relationships in that respect.

[1:27:15] Voice 9: So we will be furthering our conversations with them on a variety of other projects.

[1:27:26] Voice 9: Great. So we have had no submissions received as of January 21st, 2026, and I don't think any have come in either.

[1:27:38] Voice 9: So we just need to note that for the record. So now it's our opportunity to hear from you.

[1:27:45] Voice 9: Submissions can be made at any time during and until the close of the hearing.

[1:27:49] Voice 9: So we'll formally close the hearing and then we'll continue on with our agenda.

[1:27:52] Voice 9: If any submissions are received during the meeting, we will pause prior to closing to

[1:27:57] Voice 9: ensure that the LTC has time to review those submissions.

[1:28:00] Voice 9: So now I invite members of the public who wish to speak to raise your hand.

[1:28:05] Voice 9: Please state your name prior to making comments.

[1:28:08] Voice 9: After your presentation to the LTC, the trustees may ask you questions, but they are primarily

[1:28:14] Voice 9: here to listen and will not debate the issues with you, and then I will call three times

[1:28:19] Voice 9: for speakers before closing the hearing, at which point no further written or oral submissions

[1:28:25] Voice 9: can be made.

[1:28:26] Voice 9: The name and address?

[1:28:28] Voice 9: Yes, it did say name and address, first and last name.

[1:28:31] Voice 9: Thank you.

[1:28:33] Voice 9: Please go on.

[1:28:34] Voice 9: Thank

[1:28:34] Voice 8: you for your patience.

[1:28:36] Voice 8: I'm Carol Welch, and we live at 428 Luck Road, L-U-F-F.

[1:28:44] Voice 8: And I just wanted to say that I commend having as many options

[1:28:48] Voice 8: that are within the criteria of what we, an Islands Trust,

[1:28:54] Voice 8: is going to do for us and for the quality of our island.

[1:28:58] Voice 8: And the more options we have, the more likely we are going to have

[1:29:03] Voice 8: have the opportunity for affordable places to be and it would improve our quality of life

[1:29:10] Voice 8: to have that flexibility that they suit each site that there's there's still things are done

[1:29:16] Voice 8: thank you

[1:29:19] Voice 9: so much for your comments

[1:29:20] Voice 9: appreciate you staying okay anyone else yes sorry you were

[1:29:27] Voice 9: first go ahead all right your name and address

[1:29:30] Voice 1: robin walsh robin with an eye oh oh yeah

[1:29:36] Voice 1: 733 Fern Hill and I'm also as I mentioned earlier on the board of the

[1:29:42] Voice 1: Bennett Bay Water District Improvement District and also on the Maine Island

[1:29:47] Voice 1: Water Systems Society I'll keep it short I think our we did make a submission

[1:29:54] Voice 1: from our water district and we recognize the need for affordable housing on Maine

[1:29:59] Voice 1: Island.

[1:30:00] Voice 1: Our main concern is related to the sustainability of the water system that the groundwater system that supplies the current housing on Maine and making sure that we have enough water for everybody.

[1:30:13] Voice 1: We recognize that we're we have we're all drawing from the same five aquifers.

[1:30:18] Voice 1: So our main concern is the carrying capacity of the population vis-a-vis the groundwater source on me.

[1:30:31] Voice 1: And just if we can demonstrate that we, if Islands Trust can demonstrate that that is sustainable, I think that was our main concern.

[1:30:41] Voice 1: I was interested in the comments made earlier about the water balance methodology, and hopefully

[1:30:48] Voice 1: that's something that can come to Maine sooner than later, and I think that would probably

[1:30:53] Voice 1: meet the needs of the conversation we had around education of the population, just so

[1:30:58] Voice 1: people have a greater understanding of exactly what kind of water supply we actually have

[1:31:07] Voice 1: on the island.

[1:31:07] Voice 1: and I guess the final point and I made this earlier as well it's about and I noted there's

[1:31:12] Voice 1: something about swimming pools not being allowed to be filled so my comment would be uh concern

[1:31:18] Voice 1: would be that we also um extend that kind of restriction of of well water use um with this

[1:31:25] Voice 1: within this bylaw to uh internal household purposes and not to be used um externally for

[1:31:34] Voice 1: watering gardens washing boats and cars and uh or power washing decks and roofs i think we

[1:31:40] Voice 1: that is a fairly standard um restriction that's applied already by most of the water districts

[1:31:46] Voice 1: on on the island so if there's a way to include some kind of language to not restrict but it's

[1:31:55] Voice 1: certainly um encourage um that kind of water use behavior thank you can

[1:32:03] Voice 9: i just ask a clarifying

[1:32:04] Voice 9: question sure so when you say can we restrict the water use um to internal to the house so

[1:32:11] Voice 9: you're suggesting that the requirement for a cistern for new builds will be connected to

[1:32:18] Voice 9: the swimming pool swimming

[1:32:20] Voice 1: pool i i knew there's a reference you made to uh filling swimming pools

[1:32:24] Voice 1: And I guess if they're on a well, we're saying that well water can't be used for external purposes.

[1:32:31] Voice 1: It has to be used for internal household consumption.

[1:32:35] Voice 9: This is not good for the turn.

[1:32:37] Voice 9: Yeah, I see.

[1:32:38] Voice 9: Great.

[1:32:40] Voice 9: Thank you.

[1:32:41] Voice 9: Let me take a look at that.

[1:32:44] Voice 9: Thank you for your comments.

[1:32:47] Voice 9: New search.

[1:32:48] Voice 5: Yeah, Robert McFarland, and I'm at 490 Navy Channel Road.

[1:32:52] Voice 5: road. I also chair the Mount Park Estates District. There's nowhere near Mount Park.

[1:32:59] Voice 5: I don't know where they are. Water District in the Basin at Cal, essentially. It's about 72

[1:33:04] Voice 5: properties. But I, for decades, literally, have been involved in non-profit housing, and I

[1:33:11] Voice 5: want to start

[1:33:13] Voice 5: off by, like, completely supporting the idea of creating a more available, more

[1:33:19] Voice 5: afford housing on the island like we really need it and it's in all of our best interest

[1:33:23] Voice 5: and i also appreciate i've sat on school boards and i've seen the difference between people

[1:33:29] Voice 5: allowing others to speak and people actually listening you're obviously actually listening

[1:33:34] Voice 5: to the important so thank you for coming out of that way so um a couple concerns um one is like

[1:33:44] Voice 5: at least within our water district our benchmark for use and what's pretty good predictor is not

[1:33:49] Voice 5: the size of houses it's the number of people living in them and i'm just talking about the

[1:33:54] Voice 5: full-time residents at this point certainly we have individuals in large houses have a lot less

[1:34:02] Voice 5: use than my wife and i in a 1300 square foot house so i i think you want to watch i'd suggest you

[1:34:10] Voice 5: want to watch that connection there um because certainly our experience is it's it's the number

[1:34:15] Voice 5: of people not the size of the house okay and uh and just a caution in like the the cistern issue

[1:34:23] Voice 5: um i find particularly concerning uh partly because at our water district our provincial

[1:34:30] Voice 5: license gives us a

[1:34:31] Voice 5: hard cap on the amount of water we take out of the ground period and

[1:34:37] Voice 5: And theoretically it can be increased,

[1:34:40] Voice 5: but practically good luck if they don't increase them.

[1:34:45] Voice 5: So that there's the aquifers capacity,

[1:34:47] Voice 5: but also there's those licenses, which is a problem.

[1:34:50] Voice 5: So the cisterns are very important.

[1:34:53] Voice 5: And certainly in our water district,

[1:34:54] Voice 5: we encourage people to catch rainwater.

[1:35:00] Voice 5: Vast majority of the people could do that,

[1:35:03] Voice 5: use the rainwater for things they're not allowed to use

[1:35:05] Voice 5: in the water district washing cars gardens pressure washing all that sort of house

[1:35:11] Voice 5: stuff so the issue of the cistern being required but not being required to be plumbed is like a

[1:35:19] Voice 5: significant drawback because it is expensive and difficult to connect those especially if you're

[1:35:25] Voice 5: trying to use it to supplement your water and so like the point about requiring it to be hooked

[1:35:31] Voice 5: up to the toilets at least or something like that is very important but also the size of the

[1:35:40] Voice 5: cistern is a concern because i believe 12 000 liters is somewhere around 3 000 gallons in our

[1:35:49] Voice 5: water district where we do have all the restrictions of six months a year no outside use

[1:35:55] Voice 5: period no filling pools hot tubs washing anything um and our that would represent maybe a month and

[1:36:03] Voice 5: a half of a couple living uh in their home on the island and so it was a couple of few years ago we

[1:36:12] Voice 5: went from may to well into september without any appreciable amount of rain and so a month and a

[1:36:22] Voice 5: half of water really is gonna like that's that's a problem um if they're gonna do anything but

[1:36:27] Voice 5: water the dirt and wash the cars and so just i i totally support the idea but i really am

[1:36:33] Voice 5: concerned that the water aspect of this needs to be drilled into more to make sure that we if if

[1:36:41] Voice 5: this is tried and fails create some kind of water disaster that will kill the hope of doing this

[1:36:46] Voice 5: in the future more around Maine and I honestly hope that you know you're starting with a limited

[1:36:52] Voice 5: area hopefully it'll be a success and hopefully it will spread to other areas but if it turned

[1:36:58] Voice 5: into a disaster then obviously that'll be the end of that for our lunchtime so

[1:37:04] Voice 9: if I could clarify

[1:37:06] Voice 9: um your your comment about cistern size um you basically you think 3,000 gallons which is

[1:37:16] Voice 9: looking to be the amount for a new dwelling or secondary suite under a thousand square feet is

[1:37:26] Voice 9: little yes the

[1:37:28] Voice 9: greater amount is 18,000 liters so that's 4,755 gallons but

[1:37:35] Voice 9: so just wanted to clarify yeah

[1:37:38] Voice 5: my point being is that the prescribed amount is like a very small

[1:37:42] Voice 5: percentage of the full-time couples expected annual use okay very very small

[1:37:50] Voice 9: for a full-time

[1:37:52] Voice 9: couple yeah

[1:37:53] Voice 8: great

[1:37:55] Voice 9: thank you for your comments um

[1:38:02] Voice 8: okay yes okay

[1:38:05] Voice 6: um i name an address oh sorry

[1:38:10] Voice 6: gerald hartman address five to six maybe five and i'm also the chair of the lighthouse sister

[1:38:21] Voice 6: water work system. So I respect the fact that we do need affordable housing and more housing

[1:38:28] Voice 6: in general. My main concern is the water and that we don't have a study of the health of

[1:38:38] Voice 6: our aquifers so that they can support additional usage of these aquifers. And the catastrophic

[1:38:47] Voice 6: catastrophic event is if you overuse these aquifers and you start getting saltwater intrusion even if

[1:38:53] Voice 6: it's in the middle of the island um saltwater doesn't differ as a way to get in there it will

[1:38:59] Voice 6: get in there and the catastrophic event that what it could do the whole island in general and to

[1:39:07] Voice 6: people who live here and also now we have no water that's potable that to go ahead with this i think

[1:39:15] Voice 6: that's paramount for people we can start like having people build houses to make sure that we

[1:39:23] Voice 6: have a healthy system that we even have enough water for people who already reside here you know

[1:39:30] Voice 6: and then the same thing for the cisterns is that you know the size of them is small but then again

[1:39:36] Voice 6: if you're dealing with smaller property you they're large pieces of equipment to have but to

[1:39:42] Voice 6: have it even just the basic of saying your toilets need to run off a cistern and like the impact that

[1:39:48] Voice 6: can have on just for the water coming out of the ground is that we're using cisterns is that the

[1:39:55] Voice 6: big part to add to the bylaw is there and like for like changing the bylaw to have it like you need

[1:40:05] Voice 6: need to have like new homes your toilet seat you want those to start

[1:40:09] Voice 9: okay so the plumbing connection

[1:40:16] Voice 6: great anything else and then also like i guess i get the thought process too is that

[1:40:21] Voice 6: if you only have if you have like say three tiny homes or three thousand square foot homes on a

[1:40:27] Voice 6: piece of property that it'll have less impact than say a three thousand square foot home

[1:40:32] Voice 6: which is not with my seeing usage of water in our district is that say a couple in a thousand

[1:40:40] Voice 6: square foot home they wouldn't use they're still they're going to use like three times

[1:40:47] Voice 6: that water on in three thousand square foot homes whereas there's a couple living in a

[1:40:52] Voice 6: three thousand square foot home they're still going to use the same water as somebody in a

[1:40:56] Voice 6: thousand square foot house

[1:40:57] Voice 6: that's not i mean unless they have company in that but the impact

[1:41:01] Voice 6: hacked up three little houses for water usage is actually i say greater on a system than one house

[1:41:07] Voice 6: or there's one couple living in that house so to do the comparison i think is in my opinion is

[1:41:15] Voice 6: maybe an inaccurate way of looking at it is that you have to look at it at the amount of people in

[1:41:21] Voice 6: for

[1:41:25] Voice 8: people you

[1:41:26] Voice 7: know thank you thank you for the comment okay yes um jeanette leach 475

[1:41:37] Voice 7: my um my comments are a little bit different um i really like what um was said initially

[1:41:51] Voice 7: about flexibility i call it diversity and so the diversity in terms of the planning in terms of

[1:41:58] Voice 7: of people. I also think that adaptability is something that is really important and I

[1:42:06] Voice 7: see that also meaning learning and so I think in terms of this I think of this as a really good

[1:42:16] Voice 7: first step but it's not one that we're going to say it's cast in stone like Janine said we can

[1:42:23] Voice 7: learn from it. The other thing that I think that we're learning more and more is we have to be able

[1:42:32] Voice 7: to deal with complexity, think in complex systems and not just think about certain things, focus on

[1:42:42] Voice 7: you know particular solution or particular one and so this is where my comment is a little bit

[1:42:51] Voice 7: it from outside because when I think about complexity here and I think about water I think

[1:43:00] Voice 7: we also have to consider what we're doing with our forests because you know we have run off the

[1:43:08] Voice 7: degradation and whatever when we cut down the trees so I think if we are talking about water

[1:43:16] Voice 7: and a sustainable community, then we have to also include what we're thinking about

[1:43:25] Voice 7: in terms of how the land is being used.

[1:43:31] Voice 7: Thank you, Jeanette.

[1:43:33] Voice 7: Thank you.

[1:43:34] Voice 7: Yes, in the back.

[1:43:35] Voice 9: Yeah.

[1:43:36] Voice 9: Yeah.

[1:43:36] Voice 9: Bellamot, 537 from Crescent.

[1:43:41] Voice 9: Tiny boats.

[1:43:42] Voice 9: I don't understand why a temporary land or temporary use permit is being encouraged in this.

[1:43:53] Voice 9: Why not just include this as part of the zoning? It just doesn't make sense to me.

[1:44:00] Voice 9: The temporary use permit is for RVs, not for RVs.

[1:44:04] Voice 9: But it's sent to

[1:44:05] Voice 11: the folks on

[1:44:06] Voice 9: fields, so I mean, I

[1:44:08] Voice 9: see it on, you know, on fields through

[1:44:11] Voice 9: a different lens perhaps than, it's not, I mean, an RV can be considered a tent, certainly,

[1:44:17] Voice 9: but I'm looking at, you know, more of a, you know, on fields.

[1:44:26] Voice 9: Can we just get a clarification before you go any further?

[1:44:29] Voice 9: Thanks.

[1:44:29] Voice 4: So Section 3

[1:44:30] Voice 9: .9, use of recreational vehicles.

[1:44:36] Voice 9: It was

[1:44:37] Voice 4: even in the summary that Marissa did, she did mention

[1:44:40] Voice 9: it was a TPP for 20 months.

[1:44:45] Voice 8: Yes,

[1:44:46] Voice 9: so page 45, number 19.

[1:44:50] Voice 9: So you have, we're adding 2.9.1.9 in addition to permit conditions for residential use of

[1:44:58] Voice 9: Tiny Homes on Wheels or Recreational Vehicles. So include the following.

[1:45:09] Voice 9: Oh, okay.

[1:45:11] Voice 9: It's for both, those are for both. So that's providing an opportunity for temporary use

[1:45:15] Voice 9: permits for Tiny Homes on Wheels as well as

[1:45:18] Voice 9: recreational vehicles. So I don't think it's,

[1:45:21] Voice 9: we've also got the small home, the cluster as well.

[1:45:25] Voice 9: Well, yeah. And so tiny homes are also units consist of tiny homes, including tiny homes on wheels and manufactured homes.

[1:45:33] Voice 9: There's two separate pieces that dwellings dwelling units can as what tiny homes are considered dwelling units.

[1:45:43] Voice 9: And then temporary use permits can be used for either tiny home dwelling units or RVs.

[1:45:51] Voice 9: That is two separate sections. So tiny homes are being defined as a dwelling.

[1:45:55] Voice 9: If I were to, if I were in a situation like that,

[1:46:01] Voice 11: I was going to put a tiny home on the block that I currently have a mobile unit on, would I have to have a temporary use permit for that?

[1:46:14] Voice 11: No,

[1:46:14] Voice 9: that's what I, yeah.

[1:46:16] Voice 9: That's, that's, this, these amendments would allow a tiny home to be considered a dwelling.

[1:46:21] Voice 4: Okay.

[1:46:22] Voice 9: Yes.

[1:46:22] Voice 9: yes that's the there's two separate changes those are two separate amendments temporary

[1:46:27] Voice 9: use permit can also be applied to tiny homes on wheels and rvs but the ocp amendment is that

[1:46:33] Voice 9: dwellings can would consider tiny homes on wheels as a dwelling unit um but do you have any comments

[1:46:40] Voice 9: that um for or against what

[1:46:43] Voice 11: you support or you don't support

[1:46:44] Voice 11: uh the changes that i am concerned

[1:46:46] Voice 11: about water usage is as

[1:46:49] Voice 11: everything is and

[1:46:51] Voice 11: it makes sense to over time to you know adjust the bylaws

[1:47:02] Voice 11: that require or that that allow for rainwater usage only as the only source of water okay

[1:47:14] Voice 8: Okay. Thank you for your comments.

[1:47:20] Voice 9: Any other speakers with their comments, reflections,

[1:47:27] Voice 9: what you'd like us to know?

[1:47:30] Voice 9: I've got room for 50.

[1:47:32] Voice 9: 50?

[1:47:33] Voice 4: I've

[1:47:34] Voice 9: only had six.

[1:47:36] Voice 9: We'd like to have a really good public hearing speakers list.

[1:47:41] Voice 9: I actually

[1:47:43] Voice 1: support Jeanette's comments about the forest as well.

[1:47:46] Voice 1: I think that's um I was on the board of the main island conservancy for a number of years

[1:47:51] Voice 1: just cutting down trees and deforestation for housing is you know something that has to be

[1:47:58] Voice 1: balanced

[1:47:59] Voice 4: certainly

[1:48:02] Voice 1: the forests and vegetation help prevent the runoff and help the absorption

[1:48:06] Voice 1: portion of rainwater into the groundwater as well so thank you 100

[1:48:13] Voice 9: yeah thank you

[1:48:20] Voice 3: yes can I get the speaker's name that spoke to temporary use permits please oh that was

[1:48:27] Voice 9: Deb Foote F-O-T-E. Thank you.

[1:48:40] Voice 9: Any other, had some good ones during the CIM. That's always the

[1:48:52] Voice 9: problem. People get out all their great comments and opinions during the community information

[1:48:58] Voice 9: meeting. That's not on the record then? It's, well, no, they're two separate processes. So

[1:49:10] Voice 9: comments right now so you can write it down and we'll read it um

[1:49:15] Voice 7: i'll agree we really like it but

[1:49:22] Voice 7: moving forward these are improvements we think will will happen over over over time i think

[1:49:30] Voice 9: well

[1:49:31] Voice 7: there

[1:49:35] Voice 9: are specific things about this proposed um the proposed amendments here

[1:49:41] Voice 9: that we need to consider before giving this bylaw further readings now is the time right so we can

[1:49:46] Voice 9: you know consider small changes so that's exactly what this process is for what if what if the you

[1:49:55] Voice 9: know unexpected were to happen and everybody who

[1:49:58] Voice 5: had a law within

[1:50:00] Voice 9: the area

[1:50:01] Voice 5: decided

[1:50:02] Voice 9: that they were

[1:50:03] Voice 9: going to go ahead and create another challenge but what kind of you know pressure would that

[1:50:11] Voice 9: potentially put on is

[1:50:12] Voice 4: that is there

[1:50:13] Voice 9: any way to you know put a cap in in any of the the

[1:50:18] Voice 11: districts

[1:50:19] Voice 11: that are on a specific aquifer well

[1:50:24] Voice 9: the increased density if the flex housing is in miners bay

[1:50:28] Voice 9: there's they're not on a water district they're not a water uh recognizing that they're not in

[1:50:33] Voice 9: water and then

[1:50:34] Voice 4: within the water

[1:50:35] Voice 9: they come up as far as well in row from what i could no no

[1:50:39] Voice 9: I think Montrose, Montrose is the limit and a little bit of Campbell Bay, a little bit of Fern Hill or Dillard's Jack.

[1:50:47] Voice 9: But nonetheless, within your water districts, I understand the water districts, for instance, where you are, will no longer permit second dwellings.

[1:50:57] Voice 9: So what does I might be wrong, but I thought water districts could actually say no to to us as well.

[1:51:03] Voice 9: Well, can they not say yes or no to forcing rainwater?

[1:51:09] Voice 9: Do they have more, less power than,

[1:51:11] Voice 9: or could they get more power if the province

[1:51:15] Voice 9: to kind of limit how

[1:51:17] Voice 9: much, like how much water per month?

[1:51:20] Voice 1: Robin Walsh, Bennett Bay Water District.

[1:51:24] Voice 1: Those are good questions, Judy.

[1:51:25] Voice 1: My understanding of the provincial legislation

[1:51:27] Voice 1: that governs improvement districts is that

[1:51:29] Voice 1: our powers are really limited to taxation, to tolls.

[1:51:35] Voice 1: we really don't have a, you know,

[1:51:38] Voice 1: a firm stick that we can use even on consumption limits, you know.

[1:51:45] Voice 1: I

[1:51:45] Voice 9: think we're strained outside.

[1:51:47] Voice 9: Yeah. So, so we really do need to stick to the proposed bylaws,

[1:51:51] Voice 9: your support, your opposition and why this is to help the local trust

[1:51:56] Voice 9: committee make a decision about this very specific piece.

[1:51:59] Voice 9: So we can continue that discussion perhaps if you stay for the second town

[1:52:02] Voice 9: hall.

[1:52:05] Voice 9: May

[1:52:05] Voice 1: I make another suggestion? I think back to your comment earlier about measuring the success of this overall project, and I'm not sure how you would put wording into a bylaw, but if there's something that could be said about, and I guess it goes to Deb Foote's comment about if everybody signed up, you know, where's the check and balance in terms of,

[1:52:33] Voice 1: is this allowing too much development to take place

[1:52:37] Voice 1: or did it not succeed in terms of

[1:52:41] Voice 1: what you were actually hoping to achieve?

[1:52:43] Voice 4: And

[1:52:44] Voice 1: if there's some assessment

[1:52:46] Voice 1: that can take place at a certain time

[1:52:49] Voice 1: to actually do that,

[1:52:53] Voice 1: I think that would be a useful exercise

[1:52:58] Voice 1: for Island's Trust, but also for the community.

[1:53:01] Voice 9: Thank you.

[1:53:04] Voice 9: Any first time speakers?

[1:53:07] Voice 7: just a question following up because you use the word development um underneath all of this

[1:53:18] Voice 7: it seems to me that there is a a thread that suggests um apart from this the the um

[1:53:31] Voice 7: rental, the housing project, something that would be considered development for multi-unit,

[1:53:41] Voice 7: multi-ownership purposes, whatever, in the way that we think of developers doing condos

[1:53:49] Voice 7: or townhouses, there is no allowance for that kind of structure, or is there?

[1:53:55] Voice 7: so

[1:53:56] Voice 9: there's isn't there a specific section basically that specifies any like beyond

[1:54:04] Voice 9: your current zoning is has to be for non-profit yeah there's a specific phrase

[1:54:10] Voice 9: so basically you as an individual property owner and or developer

[1:54:19] Voice 9: developer are could be allowed to have more density on your property under this terms but

[1:54:26] Voice 9: if you're talking about a you know developer that

[1:54:29] Voice 9: wants lots more then there's a whole it's a reason

[1:54:31] Voice 9: it's a whole bunch more language it's way more

[1:54:34] Voice 9: complicated but but there

[1:54:35] Voice 9: is the potential still

[1:54:36] Voice 9: for a single family lot like yours to suddenly have three dwellings

[1:54:41] Voice 7: but that's very well and i

[1:54:45] Voice 8: guess

[1:54:45] Voice 7: the other thing in there then is because in in in the past sometimes when people talk about

[1:54:53] Voice 7: 10 acres or more or whatever they talked about sub-dividing which is you know which then

[1:55:00] Voice 7: makes it smaller but if you're sub-dividing 20 acres into two tens so you know it's still

[1:55:07] Voice 7: it would be it would be basically doubling it because of the way that

[1:55:11] Voice 7: But is there anything in here or elsewhere that relates to people that actually want to subdivide their

[1:55:22] Voice 9: acreage rather than...

[1:55:24] Voice 9: Well, first off, each piece of property has a specific zone.

[1:55:28] Voice 9: Settlement residential is the smaller lots, rural are the bigger lots.

[1:55:32] Voice 9: So if you have a rural piece of property that exceeds, in general, 10 acres, then you already have the ability to subdivide that land.

[1:55:40] Voice 9: if you don't have the zoning or the requirement then you have to apply for rezoning so that's

[1:55:48] Voice 9: not carte blanche okay so it's

[1:55:51] Voice 9: very specific on but it

[1:55:52] Voice 9: depends on where your property is and what

[1:55:55] Voice 9: the zone is so if you're sitting on a really big chunk of land with a rural zone and then you

[1:56:01] Voice 9: already have that right to subdivide it because it's different so does anyone have any feedback

[1:56:07] Voice 9: back on the small clustered unit dwelling rezoning tiny home villages i'm really interested to see

[1:56:14] Voice 9: if they support that or not

[1:56:16] Voice 7: no

[1:56:18] Voice 9: no

[1:56:19] Voice 7: okay

[1:56:20] Voice 9: thank you i'm chris judge uh

[1:56:25] Voice 9: sorry sorry which was the address five five five eight five five eight i and i'm sure

[1:56:33] Voice 9: share the Bennett Bay water. I don't want to repeat what Robin has already wonderfully

[1:56:40] Voice 9: said. We are, of course, very concerned about water consumption. But I wanted to reiterate

[1:56:48] Voice 9: what Rob had to say, which was that I've been to a lot of meetings where I felt like I haven't

[1:56:54] Voice 9: been heard. And today I feel like I am and that we are, which is great. Thank you. I

[1:57:01] Voice 9: I also realize I don't know the process. So I'm assuming that you're going to go back and look again at that the proposals taking into account feedback that you've had today, and the feedback that you've had from the other water districts because I think you've

[1:57:19] Voice 9: probably got feedback from almost all of them. So what happens next? How are we going to find out

[1:57:29] Voice 9: what your deliberations are and what path you're going to take forward?

[1:57:37] Voice 9: Well, I'll just skip to the last part of the script here. So once we've heard from everyone

[1:57:43] Voice 9: one here today I would ask a third time for any more speakers because after this period we can't

[1:57:50] Voice 9: hear any more input on the proposed bylaws and then we would enter the post-public hearing stage

[1:57:56] Voice 9: in which you can you could still ask questions or comments to the planner but the LTC the decision

[1:58:04] Voice 9: makers can't and then we may give further readings to the bylaw or make minor amendments that do not

[1:58:11] Voice 9: affect the use or density. If the LTC were to make decisions about use or density, we'd have

[1:58:18] Voice 9: to go back into the process because that would be a significant amendment and go through another

[1:58:24] Voice 9: drafting, first reading and public hearing. So we can make changes even today to any of the

[1:58:32] Voice 9: proposed amendments to the bylaw that does not affect use or density. And we might be able to

[1:58:38] Voice 9: get to third reading and passing it along. Was that clear as mud?

[1:58:46] Voice 1: So the point about using cisterns and rainwater for it, is a use change or not?

[1:58:56] Voice 9: That's a use.

[1:58:58] Voice 9: That one as well would require us to go back and think about it a little,

[1:59:04] Voice 9: little is it just how we would word the bylaws right need to be very specific and um at this

[1:59:10] Voice 9: point in time i wouldn't have the language okay

[1:59:13] Voice 4: thank you

[1:59:14] Voice 8: yes one of the corner here

[1:59:17] Voice 11: john barthel 564 dinner bay road um just about to say what what roland was alluding to and that is

[1:59:27] Voice 11: I would support the bylaw if the additional dwelling units were required to flush their toilets with the rainwater that they collected.

[1:59:38] Voice 9: I'm so sorry, could you please repeat your comments?

[1:59:42] Voice 9: Support the bylaw if the

[1:59:43] Voice 11: additional new dwelling units were required to flush their toilets with the rainwater that they collected.

[1:59:50] Voice 9: It's like

[1:59:52] Voice 11: low-hanging fruit to alleviate the water.

[2:00:01] Voice 9: With rainwater. Okay. And we got your name. Okay. Yep. Okay. Thank you for your comments.

[2:00:12] Voice 9: Any more speakers on your support, opposition and why? I'm going to call a second time.

[2:00:28] Voice 9: Again, calling a third time. Any more speakers on proposed bylaws? What are our numbers again?

[2:00:42] Voice 9: on 196 and 197 calling a third time okay we are now proceeding to close the public hearing

[2:00:56] Voice 9: please note after the public hearing closes the local trust committee will no longer be able to

[2:01:02] Voice 9: receive public submissions prior to making a decision haven't closed it yet this is a really

[2:01:07] Voice 9: serious moment because i'm going to ask a third time just because the strip does it one more time

[2:01:14] Voice 9: even though i did that this is the final opportunity for you to hand in a written

[2:01:18] Voice 9: submissions of the local trust committee once the hearing is closed no addition submission

[2:01:22] Voice 9: no additional submissions will be accepted okay we are now please be advised we are now in the

[2:01:33] Voice 9: post-public hearing stage of the legislative review of proposed bylaws 196 and 197. the main

[2:01:39] Voice 9: island local trust committee can now no longer receive information pertaining to the proposed

[2:01:43] Voice 9: bylaws however you can still submit any outstanding questions and comments directly to the planner

[2:01:48] Voice 9: the LTC may give further readings to the bylaw or defeat the bylaw or make minor

[2:01:54] Voice 9: amendments that do not affect the use or density without further notice or

[2:01:58] Voice 9: hearings so we are close the public hearing and recess rather and recall to

[2:02:07] Voice 9: order in our regular meeting right

[2:02:10] Voice 8: that's

[2:02:13] Voice 9: all right you're free you've

[2:02:16] Voice 9: given us your comments and done your duty as citizens thank you i'm wondering how you can

[2:02:20] Voice 9: talk about this

[2:02:20] Voice 9: because it's your headspace right now look projects yeah yeah yeah that's the next

[2:02:28] Voice 9: thing because then yeah we

[2:02:30] Voice 1: can get into

[2:02:31] Voice 9: everything else thank

[2:02:32] Voice 4: you for attending

[2:02:32] Voice 9: everybody really

[2:02:34] Voice 9: appreciate your patience and all of your great feedback no we got that thank

[2:02:40] Voice 4: you i mean

[2:02:44] Voice 9: it's

[2:02:46] Voice 9: So

[2:02:46] Voice 6: we're going to

[2:02:47] Voice 9: amend the agenda a little bit and move 12.1 up, local trust committee

[2:02:55] Voice 9: project, 12.1 main island housing project. Is that good? Or do

[2:02:59] Voice 9: you want to go to the

[2:03:00] Voice 9: application?

[2:03:01] Voice 10: I was just going to give you an application because we have BCPRIZE hanging here.

[2:03:05] Voice 9: Oh sorry, I meant project.

[2:03:10] Voice 9: Yeah, because

[2:03:11] Voice 10: I'm assuming that 11.1, these should be very, very quick.

[2:03:15] Voice 4: Yeah.

[2:03:15] Voice 4: And

[2:03:15] Voice 10: this is probably going to be really, really long.

[2:03:18] Voice 9: So it's so quick.

[2:03:20] Voice 10: Oh, so you're going to bump them to 11?

[2:03:22] Voice 10: Okay.

[2:03:23] Voice 9: Let's jump into ferries.

[2:03:25] Voice 9: Okay.

[2:03:26] Voice 9: Ferries.

[2:03:26] Voice 9: Yeah, give ourselves a break from housing.

[2:03:28] Voice 9: Okay, forgive me.

[2:03:29] Voice 9: Lisa, we're going to jump into 11.1 and get the fairy folks back online.

[2:03:36] Voice 9: There they are.

[2:03:37] Voice 9: Johnny

[2:03:37] Voice 4: on the spot.

[2:03:38] Voice 9: Jameson on the spot.

[2:03:40] Voice 9: And Mr. Orphan on the spot.

[2:03:41] Voice 9: Hello.

[2:03:42] Voice 9: Welcome.

[2:03:43] Voice 2: Thanks, guys.

[2:03:45] Voice 9: Thanks.

[2:03:46] Voice 9: Okay.

[2:03:46] Voice 9: Where are we now?

[2:03:48] Voice 2: Page 21.

[2:03:49] Voice 9: Okay.

[2:03:50] Voice 9: This is Bruce.

[2:03:53] Voice 9: All right.

[2:03:57] Voice 9: Excellent.

[2:03:57] Voice 9: Excellent.

[2:03:59] Voice 9: Oh, we cleared the room.

[2:04:00] Voice 9: Yeah,

[2:04:04] Voice 11: so this is, we've drafted the bylaw amendment for the V.C. Mary's work, and along with we've referred the bylaw amendment, the draft bylaw to the

[2:04:24] Voice 9: agency that's on page 23 of our agenda,

[2:04:29] Voice 9: and the First Nations as well. I believe we're

[2:04:34] Voice 11: given a deadline of January 17th to respond.

[2:04:40] Voice 11: Yeah, so basically the draft by-law is permitting shoreline protection infrastructure within the designated area.

[2:04:47] Voice 11: area, and it would be a site-specific settlement of S3 in A, which

[2:04:56] Voice 9: is the S3 zone. It's literally

[2:05:00] Voice 9: the same zone as the existing vaginal, which is transportation service.

[2:05:09] Voice 6: Yeah, if you have

[2:05:18] Voice 9: sounds great well we i guess we held the community information meeting and nobody was

[2:05:25] Voice 9: interested in getting more information um trustees do you have any additional questions

[2:05:31] Voice 9: i seem to remember something about the referral on the uh to the conservancy did i see a referral to

[2:05:39] Voice 9: a conservancy on this i would like so that

[2:05:44] Voice 11: was for the

[2:05:47] Voice 11: oh yeah

[2:05:48] Voice 9: that was it sorry different water area yeah

[2:05:53] Voice 10: so to me this is critical infrastructure

[2:05:56] Voice 10: for the island

[2:05:57] Voice 4: um

[2:05:58] Voice 10: it literally isn't a change of use really no

[2:06:02] Voice 4: um

[2:06:03] Voice 10: and highly appropriate

[2:06:06] Voice 10: so i'm fully prepared to move unless god says no

[2:06:10] Voice 4: go ahead no i'll

[2:06:12] Voice 10: move pursuant to the local

[2:06:13] Voice 10: government act section of course it's for two the main local trust committee resolves not to hold a

[2:06:19] Voice 10: public hearing for bylaw number two oh 200 said it is made online news file number one four six

[2:06:26] Voice 10: two thousand eight remember number two twenty twenty five and that staff give notice first

[2:06:30] Voice 10: reading in accordance with session twenty four eight six seven of the local government act

[2:06:35] Voice 10: i

[2:06:35] Voice 9: second that okay excellent moved and seconded any discussion what our next steps is always my

[2:06:46] Voice 9: question um once we have first so we could have scheduled a public hearing reasons for not

[2:06:53] Voice 9: scheduling a public hearing because it's pretty much consistent with the ocp it's totally consistent

[2:06:57] Voice 10: we've had no concern from the public

[2:06:59] Voice 9: yeah and

[2:07:00] Voice 10: and it's to repair

[2:07:02] Voice 10: it's

[2:07:04] Voice 9: a repair yeah

[2:07:05] Voice 9: Yeah. Okay. Great. Any other comments? Call for the vote. All those in favor? That is carried.

[2:07:15] Voice 9: I'll work ahead of you. So the referral period closes February 17th. And then when would we

[2:07:24] Voice 9: expect this to advance to second reading? So

[2:07:29] Voice 11: it's probably the next meeting after that.

[2:07:33] Voice 11: So not February, but the next year, I think.

[2:07:37] Voice 9: In March?

[2:07:38] Voice 11: In March, after that.

[2:07:39] Voice 11: January,

[2:07:40] Voice 10: November, March, or September, I think.

[2:07:43] Voice 10: Let's look at the calendar.

[2:07:46] Voice 9: Oh, Andy.

[2:07:48] Voice 10: So probably April.

[2:07:50] Voice 4: March?

[2:07:50] Voice 4: Oh.

[2:07:53] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:08:02] Voice 4: All right.

[2:08:03] Voice 4: Thank you very much.

[2:08:05] Voice 9: Sorry, did you have any comments on this?

[2:08:07] Voice 9: Sorry, Lee and Jameson.

[2:08:09] Voice 9: no

[2:08:12] Voice 2: no nothing on my end

[2:08:13] Voice 9: no the afternoon smiling let's be happy

[2:08:16] Voice 2: yeah no just want to say thanks

[2:08:19] Voice 2: um bruce for the help moving through this and um yeah just any any information on next steps would

[2:08:26] Voice 2: be helpful and um if there's any additional information we can definitely provide that

[2:08:32] Voice 2: okay

[2:08:35] Voice 9: i'm sure you'll be hearing from bruce thank you thank

[2:08:38] Voice 9: you for your attendance today

[2:08:41] Voice 9: take care

[2:08:41] Voice 2: yep thank you guys bye

[2:08:43] Voice 9: bye bye okay so we're

[2:08:47] Voice 10: gonna roll back to seven rolling back to

[2:08:50] Voice 9: seven thanks for keeping me on track here we're gonna go proceed through our agenda and review

[2:08:57] Voice 9: the regular meeting minutes of september 29th 2025 which i did not attend so i cannot confirm

[2:09:06] Voice 9: that these minutes are accurate so

[2:09:10] Voice 10: i didn't catch any actually no

[2:09:13] Voice 9: no see anything here

[2:09:15] Voice 9: thanks great there's a few comments great okay this will adopt uh the minutes of uh september

[2:09:28] Voice 9: 28 2025 as presented and public hearing proposed bylaws 194195 we had a public hearing

[2:09:41] Voice 9: that's all good okay here's my actual cover okay so

[2:09:49] Voice 10: do we have to receive those but they're off

[2:09:50] Voice 10: the side are we just it's

[2:09:51] Voice 9: just for receipt yes i think so um so resolutions about meeting reports

[2:09:57] Voice 9: any updates on that advisory planning commission minutes none and follow-up action list page 17

[2:10:04] Voice 9: 15. Any questions or comments from

[2:10:07] Voice 9: planners? I think I still have to do this signing of

[2:10:21] Voice 9: the housing agreement release, Bruce.

[2:10:25] Voice 9: I think that's done.

[2:10:27] Voice 9: Oh, did I go in?

[2:10:28] Voice 9: Yes, I

[2:10:29] Voice 9: think you did, yeah.

[2:10:29] Voice 9: Okay, great. Super. So we had a piece of correspondence. So 10.1, that was addressed and we did a

[2:10:44] Voice 9: revision to the proposed bylaws so that's fantastic dealt with and so rezoning is dealt

[2:10:51] Voice 9: with 11.1 11.2 and 11.3 we've got referrals from galliano island for proposed bylaws 292 293 294

[2:11:00] Voice 9: and 295 quite an interesting i move that the um bylaw bylaw 294 and 295 do not affect the interests

[2:11:12] Voice 9: of Main Island? I think we start with 292 and 293.

[2:11:17] Voice 9: Yeah, there's four of them.

[2:11:20] Voice 10: I really wait for the day that I can object to one of these.

[2:11:23] Voice 9: Okay, 292 and 293. Interest unaffected. Interests are unaffected. I do want to comment though.

[2:11:31] Voice 9: Okay, we have a comment. Yeah, I think it's really interesting. I happen to run into Ben

[2:11:36] Voice 9: on the theory and I think it's really interesting that the property that is being given up or some

[2:11:41] Voice 9: of the property is actually going to the pinellica and apparently that's to restore that entire ridge

[2:11:47] Voice 9: area eventually back to its original and rightful owners so it's amazing kudos to them yeah this is

[2:11:55] Voice 9: great well and the second two as well i think there's a total of 70 acres quite quite a yeah

[2:12:01] Voice 9: Yeah, one was 60,

[2:12:04] Voice 9: yeah, 100 hectares and a big chunk going back.

[2:12:09] Voice 9: Yeah, so 294, bylaws number 294 and 295.

[2:12:14] Voice 9: Do we also want to respond?

[2:12:15] Voice 9: Our interests are unaffected.

[2:12:18] Voice 9: Unaffected.

[2:12:18] Voice 9: All right.

[2:12:20] Voice 9: All those in favor.

[2:12:21] Voice 9: All those in favor.

[2:12:22] Voice 9: Yes, we're

[2:12:23] Voice 4: all in favor.

[2:12:24] Voice 9: Aye, aye.

[2:12:25] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:12:27] Voice 9: Now back to the business at hand.

[2:12:29] Voice 9: Let me tell me the number.

[2:12:31] Voice 10: um 12.1

[2:12:32] Voice 10: yeah

[2:12:34] Voice 9: we've gone through those

[2:12:34] Voice 10: so page 36.

[2:12:36] Voice 9: thank you 12.1 post public hearing yeah

[2:12:42] Voice 9: well so the first question i thought was the simplest one was where we talked about not

[2:12:47] Voice 9: filling swimming pools with groundwater can we actually add now what the heck was did i write

[2:12:53] Voice 9: that down what we were supposed to add not using groundwater for power washing washing boats for

[2:12:59] Voice 9: uses outside of residential inside is that at all a possibility so even having so trying to um

[2:13:10] Voice 9: enforce is yeah

[2:13:11] Voice 4: yeah even on the

[2:13:12] Voice 9: swimming pool and it's kind of i wondered about

[2:13:15] Voice 9: that thing so yeah

[2:13:18] Voice 9: i mean the thing is if you add it there's no enforceability so i wouldn't recommend it to

[2:13:24] Voice 9: be honest like even like even the groundwater swimming pool is always already kind of like

[2:13:28] Voice 9: like it's more of just like a just don't do this kind of thing because

[2:13:31] Voice 9: it is very difficult to

[2:13:33] Voice 9: enforce so adding those other things um i don't i don't know what the value is if you can't enforce

[2:13:41] Voice 9: and i think what you might be setting yourself up for is uh um community members getting upset

[2:13:48] Voice 9: because that's not staying in force and calling us yeah we're on the swimming pool thing i mean

[2:13:54] Voice 9: not everybody has a swimming pool but everybody has you know car they might be quite want to

[2:13:58] Voice 9: clean well it actually prohibits uh the use it prohibits a swimming pool right

[2:14:05] Voice 9: yeah but but like that's different than directing how groundwater right right right

[2:14:12] Voice 4: folks like this is

[2:14:13] Voice 9: prohibiting a swimming pool

[2:14:15] Voice 4: and we can't prohibit

[2:14:16] Voice 9: yeah so i would be very

[2:14:18] Voice 9: very difficult i would recommend not to just because i think you're

[2:14:22] Voice 11: you're setting yourself up

[2:14:27] Voice 9: okay so consideration of what we heard oh is that one i'm making all new builds that's so

[2:14:43] Voice 9: have that section where we suggested that all new builds have water selection

[2:14:47] Voice 9: Oh, yeah. Oh, that was

[2:14:49] Voice 9: easy to one. There's two 315. Yeah, I think it's called page 46 and 47.

[2:15:08] Voice 11: Yeah,

[2:15:09] Voice 9: so that would be an amendment to 2.5 of the amending by-law referring to 3.15 number

[2:15:25] Voice 9: one number two and number two to remove the statement or a lot outside beauty

[2:15:35] Voice 9: waters yeah okay Lisa get that would you like us to send you that but

[2:15:42] Voice 10: a lot has

[2:15:43] Voice 10: to you know

[2:15:44] Voice 9: it could be a building a building permit shall not be issued for

[2:15:51] Voice 9: So yeah, it's in part three is amended by inserting the following new section, section 315, cistern requirements.

[2:16:01] Voice 9: So what we are amending is we're making an amendment to the amending bylaw.

[2:16:07] Voice 9: So we have to refer to 2.5.

[2:16:10] Voice 9: 2.5, okay.

[2:16:11] Voice 9: So 2.5 of the amending bylaws, 2.5 of bylaw number 195.

[2:16:19] Voice 9: is amended under 3.1.5, number 1 and number 2 is amended by removing bracket for a lot

[2:16:33] Voice 9: outside the community water system bracket.

[2:16:36] Voice 9: Got it.

[2:16:39] Voice 9: Lisa, do you want me to read

[2:16:40] Voice 3: that to you?

[2:16:43] Voice 3: I can read it back to see if I've got it.

[2:16:47] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:16:48] Voice 3: uh that the main island local trust committee request staff amend amending bylaw number 195

[2:16:56] Voice 3: under 3.1.5 number one and two be amended by removing statement for a lot outside of a

[2:17:05] Voice 3: community water system yeah

[2:17:08] Voice 9: sorry lisa so the reference would be to under under 2.5

[2:17:11] Voice 9: there's 2.5 in the amending bylaw so under 2.5 uh related to or 3.15 number uh one in brackets

[2:17:30] Voice 9: and two in brackets

[2:17:31] Voice 8: do

[2:17:35] Voice 9: you have are you looking at the um at the agenda package it'll make sense

[2:17:40] Voice 9: to you if you if you see it what

[2:17:43] Voice 3: was the page number number

[2:17:45] Voice 9: 46 at the bottom okay

[2:17:56] Voice 3: it might be

[2:18:14] Voice 3: best if you email it to me yeah

[2:18:15] Voice 11: sure do

[2:19:01] Voice 9: you have a statement that you want

[2:19:10] Voice 8: this

[2:19:16] Voice 10: is coming back and doing amendments yeah yeah

[2:19:20] Voice 10: it's safer to proceed an amendment in my

[2:19:24] Voice 10: life

[2:19:24] Voice 9: okay we're just seeing ourselves under because

[2:19:30] Voice 10: we're um we're not going to see that

[2:19:34] Voice 10: an avalanche of applications all

[2:19:36] Voice 9: the time for sure i guess my question is why not do it now

[2:19:53] Voice 10: Yeah, well, the only thing is we have to go back to public hearing, we have to go back, it's...

[2:20:02] Voice 10: We'll talk about it in a moment.

[2:20:07] Voice 8: It's a building on the lot, easy quit.

[2:20:14] Voice 8: It

[2:20:31] Voice 9: might be a different way

[2:20:33] Voice 3: of phrasing it.

[2:20:34] Voice 10: Okay, so Lisa should be having it.

[2:20:37] Voice 3: I have that, thank you.

[2:20:39] Voice 3: Great.

[2:20:46] Voice 9: But the other one I thought we should be adding to, I mentioned this earlier, so before it's about page 41 and 42, when we talk about areas that we've not used for flexible housing.

[2:20:59] Voice 9: 41 and 42.

[2:21:00] Voice 9: So four, or policy 2.1.1.3, that we should add F, which would say, exclude areas supplied by community water systems.

[2:21:15] Voice 9: I think we need to say that to give some security view of the future.

[2:21:21] Voice 8: We need to add F, service.

[2:21:23] Voice 9: Areas supplied by, or service, maybe that's a better word,

[2:21:26] Voice 9: service by community water systems.

[2:21:29] Voice 9: That's not all of them are improvement districts.

[2:21:32] Voice 10: No, but the only thing is if you have more than one connection to a house,

[2:21:35] Voice 10: that's community water systems.

[2:21:37] Voice 9: Oh, okay.

[2:21:37] Voice 9: So it should be improvement districts.

[2:21:38] Voice 9: Improvement, but they're not all improvement districts.

[2:21:41] Voice 10: No.

[2:21:41] Voice 10: Are they?

[2:21:42] Voice 9: Okay.

[2:21:42] Voice 9: Because

[2:21:43] Voice 10: search types and improvement districts are all funded by CRD.

[2:21:46] Voice 9: Areas served by improvement districts? Water improvement districts?

[2:21:49] Voice 9: Improvement districts and CRD?

[2:21:55] Voice 10: Sure.

[2:21:56] Voice 10: Districts and

[2:21:56] Voice 9: CRD.

[2:21:59] Voice 9: But water, because you have other improvement districts, right?

[2:22:02] Voice 9: Yeah.

[2:22:03] Voice 9: Excluding areas. So to add

[2:22:10] Voice 9: So to amend amending bylaw number 196, section 4

[2:22:20] Voice 8: and 5.

[2:22:22] Voice 9: Section 4 and 8.

[2:22:25] Voice 9: 4 and 8.

[2:22:28] Voice 9: I'm adding that F.

[2:22:31] Voice 9: To add F, excluding areas serviced by Water Improvement Districts and the Capital Regional

[2:22:41] Voice 9: District.

[2:22:43] Voice 10: Water Service Areas.

[2:22:44] Voice 9: Water Service Areas, so CRD Water Service Areas.

[2:22:50] Voice 9: So Lisa, does that work?

[2:22:57] Voice 10: No, it's just, I'm just typing it up here.

[2:22:59] Voice 9: Okay, 4 and 8.

[2:23:01] Voice 9: it just prevents or ensures that that flex doesn't somehow encroach into okay i do have a

[2:23:13] Voice 9: suggestion for wording on the cistern hookup oh that we could look at from south pender

[2:23:18] Voice 9: not that i'm trying to be a planner um so the the wording for their land use bylaw on

[2:23:27] Voice 9: groundwater protection a building permit shall not be issued for a new building to be used for

[2:23:31] Voice 9: a dwelling excluding a cottage on a lot blah blah blah unless a building on the lot is equipped with

[2:23:39] Voice 9: a freshwater catchment system that's different it's totally different so rather than saying a

[2:23:46] Voice 9: cistern is on the lot you can't say that the unit is equipped with a freshwater system um so

[2:23:54] Voice 9: the unit is equipped with that or a building on the lot is equipped yeah see i i i don't know

[2:24:06] Voice 9: what the intention of that specifically is. I mean, be equipped with a cistern. I

[2:24:16] Voice 9: would be reluctant to adopt that language right now. Yeah, and there are a

[2:24:21] Voice 9: number of things, you know, that we're going to have to, after this is all

[2:24:25] Voice 9: finished, we're going to have to actually go back and have whatever the water

[2:24:29] Voice 9: project, which is questions around the house size of larger lots, question about

[2:24:34] Voice 9: about how cisterns are actually controlled,

[2:24:37] Voice 9: all that kind of water conservation

[2:24:41] Voice 9: and the whole, we need to come back

[2:24:43] Voice 9: and have a community conversation about the home tours.

[2:24:46] Voice 9: So you're suggesting that-

[2:24:48] Voice 9: That we put

[2:24:48] Voice 9: this aside and put it in place

[2:24:50] Voice 9: as a new project or new bylaws for the future.

[2:24:54] Voice 9: Okay. But not

[2:24:55] Voice 9: try to tie it

[2:24:55] Voice 9: to this particular set of bylaws.

[2:24:59] Voice 8: Okay. Because I think

[2:25:00] Voice 9: we'll be building on this in the future.

[2:25:05] Voice 10: Yeah, I think you can start the conversation with the next Mainliner article.

[2:25:08] Voice 9: Yeah, okay, thanks.

[2:25:10] Voice 10: Saying that that's what we've heard.

[2:25:12] Voice 9: It's a

[2:25:12] Voice 9: kind of sweet and short meeting.

[2:25:13] Voice 9: Loved it.

[2:25:13] Voice 9: Bye.

[2:25:16] Voice 9: Because

[2:25:16] Voice 10: we don't want to drop.

[2:25:17] Voice 9: No, no, no, no.

[2:25:18] Voice 10: No, these are the points.

[2:25:20] Voice 9: I mean, these are valid points.

[2:25:22] Voice 10: And

[2:25:22] Voice 9: while we can't maybe change them in here today,

[2:25:24] Voice 9: there are points that now have come up that we can consider.

[2:25:32] Voice 10: I think it's a good legal question about how the system is done.

[2:25:36] Voice 4: Yeah.

[2:25:37] Voice 4: Because

[2:25:37] Voice 10: like I totally agree, like if we can legally say you have to tour us after the sister,

[2:25:41] Voice 10: not a problem, but I'm wondering if that's sort of getting, it's getting out of our jurisdiction.

[2:25:49] Voice 9: It needs to be an ongoing conversation.

[2:25:52] Voice 10: But you know, but if we are out of our jurisdiction,

[2:25:55] Voice 10: that's then we can go to CRD.

[2:25:57] Voice 9: Well it's, it kind of, I mean I would talk to

[2:26:01] Voice 9: to, gosh, I guess, who would have done that, this land use by-law.

[2:26:10] Voice 9: Well, and there was also that 30% on Galliena by-law that Cheryl mentioned too.

[2:26:16] Voice 10: What do you suggest the difference is on South Bend?

[2:26:18] Voice 10: It just says building on the lot is equipped with a freshwater catchment system.

[2:26:22] Voice 9: Well, that's different than saying a cistern has to be on the lot.

[2:26:24] Voice 9: The building is equipped with a freshwater catchment system.

[2:26:28] Voice 9: It doesn't say how you're using the water, but it does

[2:26:30] Voice 9: attach it to the building.

[2:26:32] Voice 10: but by definition

[2:26:34] Voice 10: if it's a rainwater catchment

[2:26:36] Voice 10: it's coming off the gutter which

[2:26:37] Voice 10: attached the building

[2:26:38] Voice 11: yeah

[2:26:39] Voice 9: you're right

[2:26:41] Voice 9: I'm

[2:26:42] Voice 10: more concerned about the output

[2:26:45] Voice 10: I get

[2:26:47] Voice 10: people's point about that

[2:26:48] Voice 10: toilets are such an easy

[2:26:49] Voice 10: and I was interested, Cheryl said that

[2:26:51] Voice 10: toilets might be potable

[2:26:53] Voice 10: which I've never heard of

[2:26:56] Voice 9: I know

[2:26:57] Voice 10: Bihon North Island

[2:26:59] Voice 10: because I've done a resort

[2:27:01] Voice 10: they insisted we cook non-treated water up to 12 so because they wanted they

[2:27:10] Voice 10: didn't want to stress the bottle system so I know but because weird because they

[2:27:17] Voice 10: each has a different interpretation but each zone like the north central South

[2:27:23] Voice 10: self-violence all have different stints on things

[2:27:25] Voice 8: yeah yeah absolutely it's

[2:27:31] Voice 9: the residential zone

[2:27:32] Voice 9: i i said um to exclude water service areas that would include the improvement district

[2:27:39] Voice 9: okay water service areas water service

[2:27:42] Voice 10: areas security water service areas

[2:27:44] Voice 10: service

[2:27:45] Voice 9: areas generally that would include the improvement district and the security okay

[2:27:59] Voice 8: Okay, so we heard,

[2:28:02] Voice 9: um, also so

[2:28:06] Voice 11: there

[2:28:10] Voice 9: was a comment that 18,000, oh, that the size of

[2:28:18] Voice 9: A previous meeting, we heard Robin Walsh talk about their monthly use was 2,000 gallons a month.

[2:28:27] Voice 9: And so a 3,000-gallon tank is going to last two to three months, at least two months.

[2:28:34] Voice 9: I think

[2:28:35] Voice 9: it's how much use it is.

[2:28:37] Voice 9: And I think the reality is to assume, first off, that no one's going to understand.

[2:28:45] Voice 9: I mean, the water district shut water off constantly.

[2:28:48] Voice 9: And what people were actually saying this year was,

[2:28:50] Voice 9: I've got all this rainwater for my garden and I can't flush my toilet.

[2:28:53] Voice 9: Maybe I better plumb in my toilet.

[2:28:56] Voice 9: So I really think the size doesn't really matter.

[2:29:01] Voice 9: At some point, it's people understanding that they can be allowed and able

[2:29:05] Voice 9: in new construction to plumb stuff in and

[2:29:07] Voice 10: have it as backup there.

[2:29:09] Voice 10: The beauty of the system is you're watching the water go down.

[2:29:12] Voice 10: So when you get down to 300 gallons, you're

[2:29:15] Voice 10: going to start to pucker, and

[2:29:16] Voice 10: you're going to go, okay, we're going to be really careful how we use the water.

[2:29:20] Voice 9: Well, and also, especially once people who have tanks for their gardens, they just keep adding.

[2:29:25] Voice 9: They have a humongous number.

[2:29:27] Voice 9: So I think you sort of set a reasonable guideline.

[2:29:30] Voice 9: A thousand-square-foot house certainly is big enough for a family of four, for sure.

[2:29:35] Voice 9: It's not small, small.

[2:29:36] Voice 9: But we generally

[2:29:37] Voice 9: only have, I mean, most of our households are not two the whole time.

[2:29:43] Voice 10: Like with me and Michael in the house, we were 30 gallons a day, so

[2:29:47] Voice 10: that's a hundred days water.

[2:29:49] Voice 9: Yeah, that's only 900, whereas they were using 12.

[2:29:52] Voice 10: So I'm pretty comfortable with that.

[2:29:55] Voice 9: I'm going to stay with that. All right, so at least it's got those two.

[2:30:00] Voice 9: the only two are there any other others no those were the only two that okay that we

[2:30:05] Voice 4: could actually

[2:30:05] Voice 4: yeah

[2:30:06] Voice 9: so put aside to a separate project uh after this about connections to the house

[2:30:15] Voice 9: or flushing toilets with rainwater um strategy on water management i mean we need to know more

[2:30:23] Voice 9: about water management is that really something like can that be

[2:30:30] Voice 9: considered a an lcc project

[2:30:32] Voice 9: those because water management is kind of it's not that sounds like an educate like there's an

[2:30:37] Voice 9: education a lot of this is education um so that would be i mean we could it's something that we

[2:30:47] Voice 9: could potentially be a minor project well i i was telling these folks that some of

[2:30:54] Voice 9: there may be criteria coming out as to what

[2:30:57] Voice 9: can be that's

[2:30:58] Voice 1: why I sort of said

[2:30:59] Voice 9: it with like

[2:31:00] Voice 9: like education communication relationship building these are all outside of planning

[2:31:07] Voice 9: yeah yeah so that's why I was like I don't want to just push this off to be a minor project if

[2:31:14] Voice 9: it's not an LUB update and it's an education of the community yeah well you know it is because

[2:31:20] Voice 9: because I think it'll be something

[2:31:21] Voice 9: that will be important for Gabriela

[2:31:23] Voice 9: and for Denman

[2:31:25] Voice 9: because we're introducing systems there as well.

[2:31:27] Voice 9: And we've already, and North Tender.

[2:31:32] Voice 9: So it might be something that needs to be explored.

[2:31:36] Voice 9: Like how, who does it?

[2:31:37] Voice 9: How we do it.

[2:31:38] Voice 9: It might be a visual planning thing.

[2:31:42] Voice 9: You're all on there.

[2:31:43] Voice 9: Actually, Foresight.

[2:31:44] Voice 9: So I'll follow up with you afterwards,

[2:31:47] Voice 9: but there was this tech company that is about...

[2:31:50] Voice 9: um researching grants and it is to do with like green energy and climate readiness and all of that

[2:31:58] Voice 9: and they've been talking to me and gabriela folks about um like finding grants and convening

[2:32:06] Voice 9: different groups and stakeholders to to sort of bring in what's the next step in terms of technology

[2:32:13] Voice 9: technology and information for the community so that actually might be is it foresight

[2:32:19] Voice 9: to find out where that was oh yeah there was a there was a gulf islands drought working group

[2:32:28] Voice 9: that um we sort of struck and they were really helpful because of their their consultancy firm

[2:32:35] Voice 9: just goes and finds grants and then they can help manage a project that would be outside of our

[2:32:40] Voice 9: super honest trust but it could be about what the right technology or the outreach or the strategy

[2:32:47] Voice 9: for um for water use um i'm just really wary of like putting it in islands trust and having

[2:32:57] Voice 9: another land use bylaw update if it's not promotions

[2:33:03] Voice 10: because i'll read them out oh yeah

[2:33:05] Voice 10: as lisa's got them yeah thanks

[2:33:07] Voice 9: okay

[2:33:13] Voice 10: lisa i'm going to start moving what you have

[2:33:15] Voice 4: So

[2:33:16] Voice 10: I move that the Maynard and LTC amend File No. 196.4 and 8 related to Policy 211.3, add F, exclude water service areas.

[2:33:29] Voice 9: Add F, exclude water service areas.

[2:33:33] Voice 9: Second.

[2:33:35] Voice 10: Seconded.

[2:33:35] Voice 9: Okay.

[2:33:36] Voice 9: And seconded.

[2:33:37] Voice 9: Any discussion?

[2:33:40] Voice 9: All those in favor?

[2:33:42] Voice 9: That is carried.

[2:33:43] Voice 9: carried.

[2:33:44] Voice 10: And I will move on the LTC amend 2.5 the file number 197 under 315 system requirements

[2:33:57] Voice 10: one and two removed for a lot outside a community water system.

[2:34:04] Voice 9: Seconder? Seconded by Trustee

[2:34:06] Voice 9: Dodds. Any discussion? All those in favor? That is carried. Great. Any further amendments

[2:34:15] Voice 9: Yeah, so I just wanted to point out amendments that that were brought in on on that second reading our staff that introduced right. So one is the section, the section on population productions filled out and housing need.

[2:34:35] Voice 9: Yeah, so

[2:34:36] Voice 9: the that is so the population projection and build-up pieces just update what was currently in your bylaws

[2:34:43] Voice 9: the housing need

[2:34:44] Voice 9: piece was to

[2:34:46] Voice 9: Address the original government's requirement to consider the the most recent housing needs report

[2:34:52] Voice 9: Okay, just so the language in there is to kind of indicate that yes, we've got a housing report

[2:34:59] Voice 9: report, it projects these, there's, you know, the main islands and circumstances are unique

[2:35:12] Voice 9: with respect to groundwater and that housing need focus is therefore on a variety of options

[2:35:20] Voice 9: to facilitate more affordable housing.

[2:35:25] Voice 9: So the other thing I'll just point out there, and this is just a typo, we don't have to

[2:35:31] Voice 9: make any dramatic changes around, but I work with many different LTCs and I put the wrong

[2:35:40] Voice 6: one in there.

[2:35:40] Voice 9: So I can change that without asking you to make a difference, any questions?

[2:35:46] Voice 9: The other thing, the other change that was made to bylaw 197.

[2:35:53] Voice 9: It was identified to us that we had some inconsistency with respect to calculations related to gallons

[2:36:00] Voice 9: and so we've made those changes in the bylaw.

[2:36:03] Voice 9: Right.

[2:36:04] Voice 9: They're reflected in the in the bylaws that you have for you.

[2:36:08] Voice 10: Most excellent.

[2:36:09] Voice 9: Yeah.

[2:36:09] Voice 10: Yeah.

[2:36:12] Voice 9: Wonderful.

[2:36:15] Voice 9: Okay. So any further amendments to the bylaw? No? We can move through the raft and start

[2:36:26] Voice 9: nine motions if you both want to take your turns.

[2:36:32] Voice 9: And we'll read them, be amended as amended? No.

[2:36:40] Voice 9: As amended, yeah. Well, so the

[2:36:42] Voice 9: first one is an amendment be

[2:36:44] Voice 9: amended to update population projections that went okay including do we include the two previous

[2:36:50] Voice 9: amendments so i think um you may you know yeah okay so be amended to update um i think you can

[2:37:04] Voice 9: consider this is basically another this would be another um motion to amend so now then you

[2:37:09] Voice 9: would have three motions to amend with specific evidence so then you would pass and go to second

[2:37:15] Voice 9: as amended. Okay. Right. We've already done the last two amendments. Great.

[2:37:22] Voice 9: Okay. That's fine.

[2:37:24] Voice 9: Clear as mud. Excellent. Please proceed. Somebody.

[2:37:31] Voice 7: Okay. You can start.

[2:37:34] Voice 10: I'll move the main, trust me, bylaw number 196,

[2:37:37] Voice 10: site is made on official community plan bylaw number 144, 2007, amendment number 1, 2025,

[2:37:42] Voice 10: be amended to update population projections, fill out numbers, and add section,

[2:37:47] Voice 10: at a section on housing needs as detailed in the attached draft by law move

[2:37:54] Voice 9: do I have a second

[2:37:55] Voice 9: second by trustee Dodds any discussion call the vote any all those in favor that is carried you

[2:38:02] Voice 9: get a chocolate how

[2:38:05] Voice 10: many times you got there they're

[2:38:08] Voice 9: just little half birds but it'll stop

[2:38:10] Voice 9: me from eating them all yeah

[2:38:11] Voice 10: we have nine there's if

[2:38:12] Voice 10: you're offering one chocolate no

[2:38:14] Voice 9: no it's you

[2:38:15] Voice 9: just get one for doing the first one there you go there have a blissful thank you

[2:38:21] Voice 10: apparently

[2:38:22] Voice 10: oh

[2:38:24] Voice 9: i moved that the main island yes a short one local trust committee bylaw number 196

[2:38:40] Voice 9: cited as main island official community plan bylaw number 144

[2:38:43] Voice 9: 24, 2007, Amendment No. 1, 2025, be read for the second time as amended.

[2:38:50] Voice 9: Excellent.

[2:38:50] Voice 9: Moved.

[2:38:51] Voice 9: Seconded.

[2:38:51] Voice 9: Seconded by Trustee Maude.

[2:38:53] Voice 9: All those in favor?

[2:38:54] Voice 9: That is carried.

[2:38:55] Voice 9: You get a chocolate.

[2:38:57] Voice 9: Planner.

[2:38:58] Voice 9: Anybody want one?

[2:38:59] Voice 9: I'll move.

[2:39:01] Voice 9: That's good.

[2:39:02] Voice 10: Said the Mainland and Local Trust Committee.

[2:39:03] Voice 10: How about Bruce?

[2:39:04] Voice 10: No.

[2:39:05] Voice 10: Okay.

[2:39:05] Voice 10: I'll move the Mainland and Local Trust Committee,

[2:39:07] Voice 10: Bylaw No. 196,

[2:39:08] Voice 10: said this Mainland and Local Trust Committee Plan,

[2:39:10] Voice 10: Plan bylaw number 144, amendment number 125, 2025,

[2:39:14] Voice 10: be read for a third time.

[2:39:15] Voice 10: I'll second that.

[2:39:16] Voice 9: Second it.

[2:39:17] Voice 9: You did just miss 2007, but I think that's fine.

[2:39:21] Voice 9: All those in favor?

[2:39:23] Voice 9: That is carried.

[2:39:24] Voice 9: Move that the Main Island Local Trust Committee

[2:39:26] Voice 9: bylaw number 196 cited as

[2:39:29] Voice 9: Main Island Official Community Plan bylaw number 144, 2007,

[2:39:33] Voice 9: amendment number 125 be forwarded

[2:39:36] Voice 9: to the Secretary of the Islands Trust for approval

[2:39:39] Voice 9: by the executive committee excellent and seconder seconded by trustee maude any discussion all those

[2:39:48] Voice 9: in favor that is carried i'll

[2:39:50] Voice 10: move the mainland local trust committee file number 196 senator

[2:39:53] Voice 10: this may not official community plan file number 144 2007 amendment number one 2025

[2:40:00] Voice 10: before it's the ministry of municipal affairs for approval second

[2:40:03] Voice 9: moved and seconded do i have any

[2:40:05] Voice 9: discussion all those in favor and that is carried moves at the main uh local trust committee bylaws

[2:40:12] Voice 9: number 197 cited as main island land use bylaw number 146 200 2008 amendment number 1 2025

[2:40:21] Voice 9: be amended to address inconsistency related to cistern size as shown in the attached draft bylaw

[2:40:28] Voice 9: Move to a seconder. Seconded. Any discussion? I'll call the vote. All those in favor? That is carried.

[2:40:36] Voice 10: I'll move the Maine Island Local Trust Committee Bylaws No. 197, cited as Maine Island Land Use Bylaw No. 146-2008, Amendment No. 120-2025, be read for the second time as amended.

[2:40:48] Voice 9: Seconded. Any discussion? All those in favor? That is carried.

[2:40:52] Voice 9: Move that Maine Island Local Trust Committee bylaws number 197 cited as Maine Island land use bylaw number 146-2008, amendment number 1-2025, be read for the third time.

[2:41:05] Voice 8: Moved.

[2:41:06] Voice 9: Seconded.

[2:41:07] Voice 9: All those in favor?

[2:41:08] Voice 9: That is carried.

[2:41:09] Voice 9: You didn't raise your hand fast enough.

[2:41:12] Voice 9: All those in favor?

[2:41:13] Voice 10: I'm pausing and reflecting.

[2:41:15] Voice 9: Carried.

[2:41:17] Voice 10: And I'll move that Maine Island Local Trust Committee bylaws number 197 cited as Maine Island land use bylaw number 146-2008, amendment number 1-2025, be read for the third time.

[2:41:22] Voice 10: is file on number 148 2008 amendment number 1 2025 be forwarded to the secretary of the house trust

[2:41:28] Voice 10: approval by the executive committee

[2:41:29] Voice 9: seconded any discussion pausing no last one all those in favor

[2:41:36] Voice 9: that is carried well done excellent great work thank you both of you planners

[2:41:51] Voice 10: I just want to take

[2:41:53] Voice 9: a moment, this may have been one of Robert Kojima's last land use

[2:41:57] Voice 9: by-law updates.

[2:41:59] Voice 9: He is retiring.

[2:42:02] Voice 9: Retiring!

[2:42:04] Voice 4: At

[2:42:05] Voice 9: the end of this month.

[2:42:07] Voice 9: He's gone.

[2:42:07] Voice 9: No, but this is like, he worked quite a bit on this land use by-law, so I'm going to say

[2:42:15] Voice 9: he loved us the most.

[2:42:16] Voice 9: Yeah.

[2:42:17] Voice 9: there you go thank you to robert maybe the last stuff report that

[2:42:24] Voice 9: all right so we have our active projects report feature projects list do we want to add to that

[2:42:38] Voice 9: feature project booster and amend anything saying add something from all the information

[2:42:44] Voice 9: be accumulated. So I'm just not sure on something about steps forward on water management.

[2:42:54] Voice 9: Groundwater protection. Groundwater protection. Groundwater. But part of it wouldn't just be

[2:42:59] Voice 9: protection. It would be like water. How much? Yeah. Groundwater exploration. I think you had

[2:43:08] Voice 9: that on your project list yeah i'm looking for it actually i think that was um groundwater

[2:43:14] Voice 9: implementation review after the housing project was there

[2:43:21] Voice 10: so the toilet is i think captured in

[2:43:24] Voice 10: that it

[2:43:25] Voice 9: could be yeah so that's what we want to know about groundwater implementation

[2:43:30] Voice 9: how about groundwater and cistern implementation yeah and you move that up yeah yes yeah okay

[2:43:36] Voice 9: Okay, so

[2:43:36] Voice 9: I move that feature project number two be amended to read groundwater and cistern implementation and that it moved to the number one spot.

[2:43:51] Voice 9: And then I can put that in my article.

[2:43:53] Voice 1: On the

[2:43:53] Voice 9: feature projects report.

[2:43:55] Voice 9: Okay, good.

[2:43:56] Voice 9: Did you capture that, Lisa, okay?

[2:44:00] Voice 3: I did, Chair Elliott, thank you.

[2:44:02] Voice 3: Thank

[2:44:02] Voice 9: you so much.

[2:44:04] Voice 9: You seconded?

[2:44:05] Voice 9: All those in favor?

[2:44:06] Voice 9: Yeah, that is carried.

[2:44:07] Voice 9: Excellent.

[2:44:08] Voice 9: So that's going to pretty much wrap our active projects report. We're going to have a new groundwater and cistern implementation project coming up.

[2:44:17] Voice 9: Open applications. Any updates here from staff? Variants of a siting of a studio. A concrete pad located in the foreshore. What?

[2:44:29] Voice 9: I thought we said no concrete in the foreshore.

[2:44:32] Voice 10: We've lived out with this before.

[2:44:34] Voice 9: Oh dear.

[2:44:38] Voice 10: It's a complicated one.

[2:44:40] Voice 9: What is this one?

[2:44:41] Voice 10: That's the one on Stewart Drive?

[2:44:43] Voice 10: The guy down the bank?

[2:44:45] Voice 10: Remember we had the

[2:44:46] Voice 10: stairs to the bank, the bank road

[2:44:49] Voice 9: and the cottage?

[2:44:50] Voice 9: Yeah, the grass.

[2:44:53] Voice 9: Oh.

[2:44:55] Voice 10: The movie guy.

[2:44:57] Voice 9: He's

[2:44:57] Voice 10: doing a whole television show about

[2:44:59] Voice 10: this project.

[2:45:00] Voice 10: About this project?

[2:45:02] Voice 10: Yeah, his whole film crew's been down there for like two years.

[2:45:07] Voice 9: I don't want to know.

[2:45:09] Voice 9: What is this?

[2:45:12] Voice 9: Horton Bay

[2:45:12] Voice 9: temporary use permit I was reviewing the minutes is that coming back to a meeting

[2:45:19] Voice 9: near us or we still have more work to do?

[2:45:42] Voice 11: of people last week um

[2:45:45] Voice 11: again floats in for today and we've communicated that with them

[2:45:50] Voice 11: with the application um they are going to work towards finding a location and then we'll bring

[2:45:57] Voice 11: back uh we can do the notification and put it on an upcoming meeting

[2:46:01] Voice 4: okay because

[2:46:03] Voice 10: it's for winter

[2:46:04] Voice 10: storage your dogs have kind of lost this season so it's probably yeah we have kind of just september

[2:46:09] Voice 10: just sort of right

[2:46:10] Voice 10: figure this out

[2:46:11] Voice 9: excellent okay um uh have we really not spent that much

[2:46:19] Voice 9: money on the main island housing project that money can go somewhere back towards other ljc

[2:46:28] Voice 9: projects well done i mean you're so efficient okay sorry i'm scattered here get back to the agenda

[2:46:36] Voice 9: the chair all right well well

[2:46:38] Voice 4: standing policies left

[2:46:39] Voice 9: over well so

[2:46:42] Voice 10: standing policies question

[2:46:44] Voice 9: great love it which

[2:46:46] Voice 10: we always place over this which one um

[2:46:49] Voice 10: so on page 61.

[2:46:52] Voice 9: so

[2:46:52] Voice 10: 20 to 2020.002 i don't think we've ever done any of this

[2:46:59] Voice 9: adopt the following version

[2:47:02] Voice 9: version oh these were the sort of blanket ones that we were

[2:47:06] Voice 9: given well the writing a letter to

[2:47:09] Voice 9: first nations it took a year and a bit and it went out in february so that did happen but

[2:47:14] Voice 9: but

[2:47:14] Voice 10: for various local trust communities invite local first nations to attend

[2:47:19] Voice 9: i don't think we've

[2:47:21] Voice 10: ever done that we

[2:47:22] Voice 9: could do so um

[2:47:23] Voice 10: well you said we should because it's a standing resolution yeah

[2:47:26] Voice 9: it's

[2:47:27] Voice 10: sort of not optional

[2:47:28] Voice 9: um

[2:47:29] Voice 10: and but going all the way through i don't think we've done any of

[2:47:31] Voice 10: these things. So it looks like we can invite elders, but we've never done that. So we're

[2:47:42] Voice 10: suggesting that maybe we should review that.

[2:47:43] Voice 9: Well, and also, I mean, this is, it's a big

[2:47:48] Voice 9: ask in terms of even First Nations coming, period, in terms of their workload. So it

[2:47:54] Voice 9: really should have been kind of like baby steps. We should have started with something

[2:47:57] Voice 9: I don't

[2:48:00] Voice 10: know if the policy is reviewed

[2:48:01] Voice 10: or if we need to

[2:48:04] Voice 9: just work on

[2:48:04] Voice 10: implementing it

[2:48:05] Voice 10: and

[2:48:05] Voice 9: it's

[2:48:08] Voice 9: tricky because this is

[2:48:10] Voice 9: actually work that is in TAD's

[2:48:11] Voice 9: area

[2:48:13] Voice 9: communication, relationship

[2:48:15] Voice 9: building, invitations, holding

[2:48:18] Voice 9: those relationships

[2:48:19] Voice 9: anything that's not planning

[2:48:21] Voice 9: related

[2:48:22] Voice 9: so I think this is a bit of a legacy

[2:48:26] Voice 9: see from the reconciliation action plan that

[2:48:28] Voice 9: um sort of wanted to put this in the hands of the

[2:48:34] Voice 9: local trust committee but i do wonder if it's so

[2:48:37] Voice 10: did you want to talk to claire about that

[2:48:38] Voice 10: just

[2:48:38] Voice 9: really appropriate yeah just

[2:48:41] Voice 10: see it because like i'm fully i'm totally supportive of it but

[2:48:45] Voice 10: if we're not doing

[2:48:46] Voice 9: it um i don't know if it would tie into the the doc support and base simply

[2:48:51] Voice 9: because you know that that should go out as a referral that's something more connected to say

[2:48:57] Voice 9: even than our housing sort of general stories i mean i think it should have a purpose so just

[2:49:04] Voice 9: inviting persons over to

[2:49:05] Voice 9: say oh hi this is who i am who are you it has to be something meaningful

[2:49:10] Voice 9: yeah like a joint project or information sharing where you're actually learning i mean

[2:49:16] Voice 1: maybe if

[2:49:17] Voice 9: we thought earlier it's like to be very specific because that village was a village

[2:49:26] Voice 9: subdivided and built on yeah i'd like to see have something with more meat to it yeah so have any

[2:49:33] Voice 9: specific idea

[2:49:34] Voice 9: but just it's just

[2:49:35] Voice 9: quick i'm sorry that was the only ones that didn't respond to the

[2:49:40] Voice 9: So, you know,

[2:49:42] Voice 8: it kind of is

[2:49:44] Voice 9: a, it's kind of like there's too

[2:49:48] Voice 9: much stuff, it does. That is a little beyond like we

[2:49:54] Voice 10: So question is, is it 200 something formal or you just want to have a talk with Claire about it and just

[2:49:58] Voice 10: um

[2:50:00] Voice 9: well i think with the reconciliation action plan update which we're supposed to be getting

[2:50:05] Voice 9: it's and and it it seems like things are aligning a little bit more that planning

[2:50:16] Voice 9: is as as communication and tasks with more capacity they can take on this kind of thing

[2:50:23] Voice 9: if the main island local trust committee wanted to make a request for certain services from TAS,

[2:50:31] Voice 9: like we would like to have, you know, some back and forth on this project, it kind of

[2:50:38] Voice 9: should go through them and maybe be removed from this.

[2:50:42] Voice 10: To me, somebody should review this standing resolution and just say,

[2:50:50] Voice 10: It's perfect. Or we can delete this, we can delete that, or amend this. I think, as Stan,

[2:50:57] Voice 10: if we're not doing it, I think it's inappropriate. And as I say, I'm totally supportive of doing it,

[2:51:04] Voice 11: but if

[2:51:05] Voice 10: we're not doing it, then

[2:51:06] Voice 10: we're actually going against our standing resolution.

[2:51:10] Voice 9: Yeah, I would suggest, wait, let's see what, yeah, do you have any insights?

[2:51:15] Voice 9: Well, so we do have the resolution related to the standing resolutions,

[2:51:24] Voice 4: but

[2:51:25] Voice 9: I think that

[2:51:26] Voice 9: speaks to that specifically, that 2017-27, that's the one year.

[2:51:32] Voice 9: So we could rescind it?

[2:51:34] Voice 9: I would disagree.

[2:51:35] Voice 9: No,

[2:51:35] Voice 10: I'm referring to 2017-028.

[2:51:38] Voice 9: Oh, 028, okay.

[2:51:39] Voice 10: Oh no, I'm sorry, I'm not even, I plucked the

[2:51:41] Voice 9: page, it was 022.

[2:51:43] Voice 10: This is all the reconciliation,

[2:51:47] Voice 9: which is a legacy of Lisa Wilcox's work on the Reconciliation

[2:51:54] Voice 9: Action Plan from 2019.

[2:51:57] Voice 9: I mean, you could resend it today and just request that TAS provide services as needed

[2:52:06] Voice 9: or...

[2:52:06] Voice 10: I wouldn't want to do that, but we actually got advice to do that.

[2:52:12] Voice 10: but I think somehow we need to have a conversation

[2:52:16] Voice 10: somewhere

[2:52:17] Voice 10: I don't know how to initiate that conversation

[2:52:20] Voice 9: I can bring it up at executive

[2:52:24] Voice 9: I think that would be the

[2:52:25] Voice 9: okay then

[2:52:26] Voice 10: I can speak to it

[2:52:27] Voice 10: yeah

[2:52:27] Voice 9: I will

[2:52:31] Voice 9: so are

[2:52:32] Voice 10: you volunteering or do we need a motion to

[2:52:33] Voice 9: request you

[2:52:34] Voice 9: I think I'll

[2:52:36] Voice 10: okay

[2:52:39] Voice 9: that's great

[2:52:42] Voice 11: Yeah,

[2:52:52] Voice 9: so we're looking at a memo now on page 65.

[2:52:57] Voice 10: Goodness, now what have you done to me?

[2:52:59] Voice 9: No, I have not done anything.

[2:53:00] Voice 9: We're going to amend our policies and standing resolutions,

[2:53:03] Voice 9: speaking of clearing things up that are redundant.

[2:53:06] Voice 4: No,

[2:53:07] Voice 9: 65, we have a, yeah, I'll take care of this.

[2:53:09] Voice 10: Yeah.

[2:53:10] Voice 9: At 65, we have a memo with some resolutions.

[2:53:14] Voice 10: But that's later in the agenda.

[2:53:16] Voice 9: Not now?

[2:53:17] Voice 10: No, hell no.

[2:53:18] Voice 10: I'm

[2:53:18] Voice 9: pretty sure it's not going to happen.

[2:53:19] Voice 10: No, because we've got a doctor policy.

[2:53:23] Voice 10: It's a penalty policy?

[2:53:23] Voice 10: Yeah.

[2:53:23] Voice 10: Yeah.

[2:53:25] Voice 11: This one.

[2:53:26] Voice 11: 65.

[2:53:28] Voice 10: Okay, see now

[2:53:29] Voice 10: I'm down there.

[2:53:30] Voice 10: Sorry.

[2:53:30] Voice 10: All right, I'm going to really

[2:53:32] Voice 10: apologize to the chair for-

[2:53:33] Voice 9: Lisa, David is being difficult.

[2:53:36] Voice 9: It's not me this time.

[2:53:37] Voice 9: The

[2:53:37] Voice 10: minute taker will note that the trustee might apologize to the chair.

[2:53:42] Voice 9: On 65.

[2:53:44] Voice 9: It's a

[2:53:44] Voice 10: challenge to her authority.

[2:53:45] Voice 9: Item whatever it is.

[2:53:47] Voice 9: You were on the right topic.

[2:53:49] Voice 9: he just you know the wrong spot

[2:53:51] Voice 9: you're fine you're fine i

[2:53:53] Voice 10: still apologize since in the minutes

[2:53:54] Voice 10: that's all i care about so

[2:53:56] Voice 9: this is maybe again robert kojima our regional planning managers

[2:54:00] Voice 9: one of his last acts to clean things up it looks like uh to bring the ltc in alignment or to reduce

[2:54:09] Voice 9: redundancies we have an ltc bylaw compliance enforcement policy which makes all outstanding

[2:54:14] Voice 9: standing resolutions 2122 12 5.4 about outhouses 21728 13.3 about short-term vacation rentals and

[2:54:26] Voice 9: 21727 regarding unlawful dwellings as redundant and then there's a public notification by law

[2:54:35] Voice 9: this one i wanted to just take a little bit of time on the recommendation so replace the standing

[2:54:42] Voice 9: resolution with one directing publishing public notice hearing notices in the mainliner where

[2:54:47] Voice 9: timing permits

[2:54:49] Voice 4: so

[2:54:55] Voice 9: i guess if it's left to staff's judgment we already have a set cut off once a month

[2:55:02] Voice 9: right do you want to go with those recommendations yeah okay

[2:55:10] Voice 10: again because unfortunately i couldn't

[2:55:12] Voice 10: find um within the the biocompatibility policy the the table outhouses so i'm just i'm trying

[2:55:21] Voice 10: to staff them there um

[2:55:23] Voice 9: you couldn't find it i

[2:55:28] Voice 10: couldn't find it but it would but literally when

[2:55:30] Voice 10: you're on the city phone as you know

[2:55:32] Voice 9: and

[2:55:33] Voice 10: you're old and you don't have spectacular magnifying

[2:55:37] Voice 9: it's

[2:55:37] Voice 10: hard just to to catch things

[2:55:39] Voice 9: oh well i think it's captured under health and safety issues

[2:55:47] Voice 9: perhaps.

[2:55:48] Voice 10: No, this is a do not use one.

[2:55:51] Voice 9: Okay. No, that's the infection. Okay,

[2:55:54] Voice 10: 4.4. There

[2:55:56] Voice 10: will be deferred, deferred appointments on, yeah, there you go. Thank you.

[2:56:02] Voice 4: There you go.

[2:56:03] Voice 10: See, that's why we have tender voucher with us. There.

[2:56:06] Voice 10: In a big brain.

[2:56:08] Voice 9: Okay. Who would

[2:56:10] Voice 9: like to proceed with the one or two recommendations down there?

[2:56:14] Voice 10: So there are two recommendations.

[2:56:15] Voice 10: Yeah,

[2:56:16] Voice 9: so rescinding this one and then that one.

[2:56:18] Voice 10: Yeah.

[2:56:18] Voice 10: So I'll move the Maine Island Local Trust Committee

[2:56:21] Voice 10: amendments, policy, and standing procedure resolutions

[2:56:23] Voice 10: by rescinding resolutions 2022-012,

[2:56:27] Voice 10: 2017-028, 2017-027, and 2016-055.

[2:56:35] Voice 9: I'll second that.

[2:56:36] Voice 9: Seconded.

[2:56:36] Voice 9: Any discussion?

[2:56:38] Voice 9: All in favor?

[2:56:39] Voice 9: That is carried.

[2:56:42] Voice 10: And I'll move the Maine Island Local Trust Committee

[2:56:43] Voice 10: request in addition to the notification

[2:56:46] Voice 10: notification methods required. In Public Notification File Number 199, staff be requested to publish

[2:56:52] Voice 10: public hearing notices in the main line.

[2:56:54] Voice 9: Second that.

[2:56:56] Voice 9: Wonderful move. Seconded. Any discussion? All those in favor? That is carried.

[2:57:01] Voice 9: I

[2:57:02] Voice 10: really appreciate that catch.

[2:57:04] Voice 9: And we do appreciate that.

[2:57:06] Voice 9: Most

[2:57:07] Voice 10: local advertisements are most valuable.

[2:57:10] Voice 10: Okay.

[2:57:12] Voice 9: So next item, we were talking about amending the proposed meeting, annual meeting

[2:57:17] Voice 9: schedule to move the time to 1 p.m. Is that, yeah, everybody's in agreement?

[2:57:25] Voice 9: So

[2:57:25] Voice 10: I'll move the May Island Local Trust to approve the April 2026 to March 27 meeting

[2:57:30] Voice 10: schedule with the amendment of the start time of 1 o'clock p.m.

[2:57:35] Voice 9: I like that. Lisa, is that good with you? Before we...

[2:57:40] Voice 9: I have that. Thank you.

[2:57:42] Voice 9: Thank you. Moved and seconded.

[2:57:44] Voice 9: All those in favour?

[2:57:45] Voice 9: That is carried.

[2:57:48] Voice 9: Spectacular.

[2:57:49] Voice 9: Let's hear your work on that Lisa.

[2:57:53] Voice 9: And so now we come to reports.

[2:57:58] Voice 9: Shares report.

[2:58:04] Voice 9: I think the only thing

[2:58:10] Voice 9: that I'd like to

[2:58:12] Voice 9: report out on

[2:58:25] Voice 9: We had a meeting of Regional Planning Committee earlier this month, it was a very short, sweet,

[2:58:34] Voice 9: special meeting to review cases coming from the LTC, but we also reviewed a memo from,

[2:58:44] Voice 9: but didn't make a decision on.

[2:58:47] Voice 9: I think regional planning manager Kojima

[2:58:50] Voice 9: had put this together about criteria

[2:58:53] Voice 9: for evaluating appropriate minor projects

[2:58:58] Voice 9: for local trust committees.

[2:59:00] Voice 9: And the reason is that trustees coming in,

[2:59:06] Voice 9: well, we're sort of refining

[2:59:07] Voice 9: the whole regional planning team

[2:59:09] Voice 9: and projects that come in.

[2:59:12] Voice 9: And there's been an expectation

[2:59:13] Voice 9: that every ltc will do a minor project and that's not necessarily um actually not necessary all the

[2:59:22] Voice 9: time and so robert kojima had come up with a list of criteria such that you know if there was if

[2:59:31] Voice 9: there'd been an ocp amendment then the land use bylaw amendment would be sort of the next logical

[2:59:37] Voice 9: project that some of the criteria would be that it'd be planning related so not relationship

[2:59:43] Voice 9: building or communications or something that's more in TAS's area and that the director of

[2:59:50] Voice 9: planning services sort of adjudicate. So we may be shifting to a different model of evaluating.

[3:00:00] Voice 9: priorities across each local trust area instead of just assuming that every local trust area has

[3:00:05] Voice 9: a project um and that there be some criteria to guide it some of it is that it's not just a review

[3:00:12] Voice 9: of the previous project but a new term of incoming trustees are unhappy with um so not revisiting

[3:00:19] Voice 9: work that's already been done giving it time to sort of bake and see see if it actually um needs

[3:00:25] Voice 9: a revision so that's coming uh up potentially like i said we didn't make a decision on it

[3:00:33] Voice 9: and financial planning committee we've been meeting well we've met once since christmas

[3:00:40] Voice 9: and it was quite a substantial discussion i don't think we made any significant amendments to the

[3:00:47] Voice 9: draft year 20 26 27 budget so there was lots of discussion did we do any motions in that meeting

[3:00:54] Voice 9: um i have to look back where is my fbc

[3:00:59] Voice 9: it

[3:01:01] Voice 10: was a long meeting that you know a lot of substance but i don't think there was a lot of

[3:01:05] Voice 10: i tried i

[3:01:07] Voice 9: really did um i you know the the the big note was that yes plan spending has increased

[3:01:15] Voice 9: a small amount not not huge 11.7 million to 11.94 million but it's actually the fact that

[3:01:21] Voice 9: that external revenue has decreased a significant amount.

[3:01:26] Voice 9: And so even if our operating costs stayed exactly the same,

[3:01:29] Voice 9: we'd see a 7.1% tax lift.

[3:01:32] Voice 9: So the general tax increase is at 13.9%

[3:01:36] Voice 9: for local trust areas.

[3:01:38] Voice 9: The really terrible bump is for Bowen,

[3:01:41] Voice 9: which is looking at a 34%

[3:01:42] Voice 9: tax increase.

[3:01:46] Voice 9: Yeah, there's a lot of concern

[3:01:48] Voice 9: concerned that the various reconciliation sort of budgets uh capacity funding uh new reconciliation

[3:01:54] Voice 9: indigenous um manager of indigenous relations and a part-time manager of indigenous relations

[3:02:00] Voice 9: and of course all the work that the conservancy is doing this is just a huge you know step up

[3:02:06] Voice 9: leap up from where we were and it's going to you know really impact bowen island with a jump i mean

[3:02:14] Voice 9: I mean, it is only $50 to $60 increase, but it

[3:02:18] Voice 9: still looks, it's hard to justify.

[3:02:23] Voice 9: We did take almost $500,000 out of the draft budget since the last review, removing the

[3:02:30] Voice 9: $150,000 trust area resiliency project, for instance.

[3:02:35] Voice 9: But it's going to be a tough discussion at committee.

[3:02:37] Voice 9: We did give direction to staff to bring back options for reductions.

[3:02:42] Voice 9: There isn't a lot of discretionary budget, I think 3%, but Director Mobs is always ready to sharpen.

[3:02:53] Voice 9: And so they are going to bring back some options for that committee of the whole meeting.

[3:02:58] Voice 9: It's going to be tough.

[3:03:01] Voice 9: And then we had a great discussion.

[3:03:04] Voice 9: Executive Committee met Wednesday the 14th.

[3:03:07] Voice 9: uh we did do much of substance for the business meeting but we uh hosted for a presentation by

[3:03:14] Voice 9: couch and tribes governance director stephanie atleo on uh opportunities um ways of approaching

[3:03:25] Voice 9: a conversation of working together with the first nation some of the

[3:03:28] Voice 9: things to keep in mind

[3:03:30] Voice 9: and sort of co-governance and co-creating a project rather than just you know the typical

[3:03:37] Voice 9: referral method it will get your typical response but they'd be very interested

[3:03:43] Voice 9: in co-creating or working together a process so I sort of pitched the

[3:03:48] Voice 9: Conservancy as this is something we genuinely want to work together with

[3:03:52] Voice 9: nations on developing a new vision for conserved and protected areas so okay

[3:03:58] Voice 9: I'll stop that's my report okay either trustees so well so well we didn't have

[3:04:07] Voice 9: any trust meetings. The Fowler Deer Committee, I forgot to bring my button, which says 30 years of

[3:04:15] Voice 9: neglect. It's actually 30 years ago since the Ministry of Wildlife emailed inter-government

[3:04:21] Voice 9: amongst themselves to say, if we don't get on top of this issue now, it's really going to blow up

[3:04:25] Voice 9: in our faces. So we actually have forgotten. You

[3:04:28] Voice 11: made a bid?

[3:04:29] Voice 9: No, I didn't, but the committee did.

[3:04:31] Voice 9: anyway so we had we had two open houses on um it was the uh the 23rd and the 24th those were

[3:04:39] Voice 9: saturday sunday open houses with about 70 75 people and it was michael kilpatrick was here

[3:04:45] Voice 9: and it was to sort of update everyone on the actions and number one on they're changing the

[3:04:50] Voice 9: hunting regs so there are actions within the new hunting regs that we're hoping they will

[3:04:55] Voice 9: add in

[3:04:56] Voice 9: one of which would be the special permits for rifles again so that's one of many so anyhow

[3:05:01] Voice 9: how open house keep the community up to date on it and then on the 24th i attended the community

[3:05:07] Voice 9: builders forum on housing and basically it was the main island affordable housing was there

[3:05:13] Voice 9: the housing now which is the southern gulf island economic commission people were there and that's

[3:05:19] Voice 9: about home sharing so we all just chatted about all the barriers and all the ideas everybody has

[3:05:25] Voice 9: what's working the house sharing they've had a few a few opportunities on main specifically to

[3:05:30] Voice 9: share homes with people were able to sign up and then i did a podcast with the uh the shelter now

[3:05:40] Voice 9: member from main island which is roberta and she just asked a bunch of questions about

[3:05:45] Voice 9: what we were doing with our our housing bylaw and what the barriers were the usual things

[3:05:51] Voice 9: in with housing so it was interesting and i think between all the different players

[3:05:57] Voice 9: the reality of actually getting

[3:06:00] Voice 9: housing constructed here

[3:06:02] Voice 9: whether it's a main island or portable

[3:06:03] Voice 4: housing

[3:06:04] Voice 9: society it's a challenge

[3:06:06] Voice 9: because I said to her it's really

[3:06:08] Voice 9: up to individual community members

[3:06:10] Voice 9: like Jeanette

[3:06:11] Voice 9: and maybe that extra tiny

[3:06:14] Voice 9: home in your backyard

[3:06:15] Voice 9: but until individuals

[3:06:17] Voice 9: can take on that task of

[3:06:19] Voice 9: providing the secondary suite

[3:06:21] Voice 9: or whatever we don't have a community

[3:06:23] Voice 9: of landlord type

[3:06:26] Voice 9: residents who want to buy property to become a landlord so lots of conversation so it was a busy

[3:06:32] Voice 9: and then we first had trust council in december so it was a busy time and then became another

[3:06:38] Voice 9: grandma again

[3:06:39] Voice 4: yes oh

[3:06:41] Voice 9: congratulations so that was a really busy time yeah yes lots of activity

[3:06:50] Voice 8: Thank you for your report. Very busy.

[3:06:53] Voice 8: Mr. Long, anything to report?

[3:06:55] Voice 10: Busy, busy season, despite, as Trustee Dodds noted, no meetings, but lots going on.

[3:07:02] Voice 10: I guess the Christmas season started off with the lighted vehicle parade, which was the biggest ever, which was great.

[3:07:10] Voice 9: Nice.

[3:07:10] Voice 10: Then we had the Santa shift, which was great for the kids.

[3:07:14] Voice 10: were again well attended and of course the christmas eve um carol session in the park which

[3:07:20] Voice 10: was perfect weather perfect everything and of course see the ongoing lighting of the japanese

[3:07:25] Voice 10: garden over the christmas season which is just an

[3:07:28] Voice 10: outstanding amount of work done by volunteers

[3:07:31] Voice 10: and very well received um otherwise lots of little things going on i think the most notable

[3:07:40] Voice 10: thing for the community was the passing of Luke Bowles, who was a very, very active community

[3:07:45] Voice 10: member. Just firefighting, everything, great guy. We knew him initially from the bakery where he is

[3:07:53] Voice 10: the best coffee barista that we ever had. And he unfortunately was stricken with cancer and went

[3:08:00] Voice 10: through, what, three or four years? It was quite a long period. But you know,

[3:08:06] Voice 10: way up to the end cheerful and happy and just you know a devastating loss to the community

[3:08:13] Voice 4: and

[3:08:14] Voice 10: and for the firefighters we touched so you know we have the rocks and we have our downs

[3:08:21] Voice 10: and that was just one of those sad losses that i think affected the entire island

[3:08:27] Voice 10: we

[3:08:27] Voice 9: also lost a member of our advisory planning commission who was owns the

[3:08:32] Voice 9: miners day trading post and various other businesses on the island too you know an

[3:08:37] Voice 9: unexpected passing so it was kind of a rough fall overall yeah that

[3:08:43] Voice 9: our community they wanted to

[3:08:44] Voice 9: say the santa ship i have to say for santa was presented with this brand new baby so we could

[3:08:50] Voice 9: get a picture of santa with the baby santa's like i don't want to see the lions club do our

[3:08:58] Voice 9: Santa ship now since Bellingham. I gave up doing that but in fact an incredible number of kids,

[3:09:04] Voice 9: the hall was full, very well done by the the Lions Club and yes Santa, he survived.

[3:09:16] Voice 9: He hadn't had a baby in his arms for many years.

[3:09:21] Voice 9: That's so sweet. It was a very nice community event.

[3:09:27] Voice 9: okay yeah we are what i'm one word at the time um no electoral area director's report don't have

[3:09:36] Voice 9: conservative support although we will no i should we are going to have a special meeting to consider

[3:09:42] Voice 9: our referral response on the policy statement and also refine or dig a little deeper into our

[3:09:49] Voice 9: budget and see if you can respond to trust council's request um to with regard to the next

[3:09:56] Voice 9: budget request our upcoming we've no new business our upcoming meeting oh sorry we dealt with this

[3:10:03] Voice 9: point one already apologies lisa for jumping all over our next regular business meeting is

[3:10:08] Voice 9: scheduled for february 23rd 2026 at the main island agricultural hall main island at 1 p.m

[3:10:15] Voice 9: is that should we schedule that the 1pm yes but let's schedule that for 1pm we need to make a

[3:10:23] Voice 9: resolution because i think staff will have to send out a revised notice okay so i moved that

[3:10:30] Voice 9: next regular scheduled meeting scheduled for february 23rd 2026 the one at 1pm at the main

[3:10:37] Voice 9: island cultural hall on maine seconded all those in here that is carried um we do not have a town

[3:10:46] Voice 9: well there's nobody here are there any members of the public in attendance no we have staff online

[3:10:55] Voice 9: and so we'll go into our closed meeting somebody could remember that the meeting be close to the

[3:11:00] Voice 9: public in accordance with the community charter part four division three s991f f law enforcement

[3:11:07] Voice 9: that disclosure could reasonably be expected to harm the conduct of an investigation

[3:11:12] Voice 9: under or enforcement of an enactment and that the recorder and staff attend the meeting.

[3:11:18] Voice 9: Excellent. I just want to ask if Lisa or anybody needs a break, a bio break.

[3:11:24] Voice 9: Doing okay? We're doing okay.

[3:11:26] Voice 10: All right.

[3:11:27] Voice 9: Mr. Worthington, welcome.

[3:11:31] Voice 9: Dr.

[3:11:31] Voice 10: Seconded. Oh, sorry.

[3:11:33] Voice 9: Sorry.

[3:11:34] Voice 9: Zip, zip.

[3:11:36] Voice 9: Moved in a carriage?

[3:11:41] Voice 9: Could we please turn off the recording?

[3:11:44] Voice 9: I'm sorry.

[3:11:45] Voice 9: I didn't want to have a night's sleep.