Islands Trust Council regular meeting, February 9, 2026

[0:00:00] Voice 10: Lisa?

[0:00:09] Voice 11: Hey, well, good morning, everyone. And thank you for joining us today for this regular

[0:00:16] Voice 11: business meeting of the Liskiti Island Local Trust Committee. It is February 9th, 2026.

[0:00:24] Voice 11: And grateful that you've all been able to join us. So looking forward to the work ahead of us today.

[0:00:31] Voice 11: I want to begin this meeting by acknowledging we are fortunate to be able to gather today in

[0:00:36] Voice 11: locations across the traditional territory of the Coast Salish people. We want to acknowledge that

[0:00:43] Voice 11: Hoyete Leskete Island is in the traditional territories of Coast Salish peoples, including

[0:00:49] Voice 11: the Comox, Qualicum, Wiwakawi, Wiwakam, and the Treaty Territory of the Tla'amin First Nation.

[0:00:58] Voice 11: We wish to acknowledge their continued relationship and care for these islands,

[0:01:02] Voice 11: which has been ongoing since time immemorial, and our gratitude that we can work together

[0:01:08] Voice 11: to steward and care for these precious islands. I'm Toby Elliott, elected on Gabriela Island

[0:01:15] Voice 11: and chair of the Liskiti Island Local Trust Committee. I'm joined today by your two Liskiti

[0:01:21] Voice 11: Island trustees, Tim Peterson and Kyla Laroni, and together we make up the Liskiti Island Local

[0:01:29] Voice 11: Trust Committee. Also joining us today, I see Andrew Fall, Director of the Cathette District's

[0:01:36] Voice 11: Electoral Area E. Welcome, Andrew. And we have some staff members joining us. Island Planner

[0:01:45] Voice 11: Stephen Baugh, thank you. I think Regional Planning Manager Renee Jamarat may pop in at some points,

[0:01:53] Voice 11: and Lisa Millard, our Minute Taker and Meeting Facilitator. And so just a few more housekeeping

[0:01:59] Voice 11: keeping notes. This electronic meeting is being live streamed and recorded. The recording will

[0:02:04] Voice 11: be available on the Islands Trust website within the next few days. This meeting is an official

[0:02:10] Voice 11: forum for your local trust committee to make decisions about land use planning matters and

[0:02:14] Voice 11: discuss relevant business. And this is a place of employment, despite the fact that some staff

[0:02:20] Voice 11: are in their own homes, our staff have the right to a safe and respectful workplace. I'd like to

[0:02:27] Voice 11: To add also that Islands Trust is endeavoring to support norms of cultural safety in our public meetings and to maintain a space that is safe for all people, for Indigenous people, for residents, all stakeholders, to express themselves and to share from their experiences.

[0:02:46] Voice 11: We will endeavor to keep our comments respectful, to speak to issues and not people, speak for yourself and your own perspective, and ensure that it's a safe place for all to express their views.

[0:03:00] Voice 11: With that, I'll turn to approval of the agenda. Are there any additions or amendments to our agenda today? Yes, Trustee Peterson.

[0:03:11] Voice 4: Yeah, just a question. I thought I saw in an earlier draft that we might be getting a verbal update on the major project. I'm not sure if that's still happening or not. I don't see it on this version.

[0:03:24] Voice 11: Leonard Baugh, could you confirm if there's an update planned?

[0:03:29] Voice 2: Yeah, there's not an update planned at this time.

[0:03:35] Voice 11: Okay, thanks.

[0:03:36] Voice 11: Thanks. We may have a late piece of correspondence to add to the agenda. I'm not sure. I'm just

[0:03:45] Voice 11: getting clarity on from the chair, whether it can be added, but it was just with the timing

[0:03:52] Voice 11: of the agenda. It was a letter to SNANAS First Nation chief and council, but it was from the

[0:04:00] Voice 11: chair of trust council, not the local trust committee. Anything else on the agenda? No,

[0:04:07] Voice 11: Nope. Take it by general consent that the agenda be approved as presented.

[0:04:12] Voice 11: And we'll move into our reports.

[0:04:15] Voice 11: Trustee reports, who would like to go first?

[0:04:22] Voice 11: You just muted yourself, Trustee Laroni.

[0:04:27] Voice 7: There we go.

[0:04:29] Voice 11: There you go.

[0:04:30] Voice 7: Okay. Don't have a lot to report.

[0:04:32] Voice 7: I mean, as exciting as December and January are everywhere.

[0:04:37] Voice 7: Let's see here.

[0:04:38] Voice 7: I've spoken to the with the LCA and they're looking at getting some budget

[0:04:44] Voice 7: some funding from Cathet regarding the having internet at the community hall

[0:04:49] Voice 7: but of course it's Laskete so nothing is quite as simple and so just kind of

[0:04:54] Voice 7: talking about how that would change the hall and so on and so forth and when to

[0:05:00] Voice 7: have the internet on etc etc so it is in the works but it's not happening yet and

[0:05:05] Voice 7: And let's see, had my dad's 80th party, which apparently was going to be the party of the year.

[0:05:11] Voice 7: So I guess that's about all that's been going on on the island.

[0:05:18] Voice 11: Great. Thank you, Trustee Laroni.

[0:05:21] Voice 11: Trustee Peterson, over to you.

[0:05:24] Voice 4: Thank you, Chair.

[0:05:25] Voice 4: And it was a good party.

[0:05:26] Voice 4: Nice to come out for Peter's 80th.

[0:05:30] Voice 4: Let's see.

[0:05:30] Voice 4: I attended a bunch of meetings in January.

[0:05:34] Voice 4: January 12th, attended the BC Municipal Climate Leadership

[0:05:38] Voice 4: Caucus with Minister Dix, Executive Committee

[0:05:42] Voice 4: on January 14th. January 16th,

[0:05:47] Voice 4: Director Fall and I met with Gord John's Constituency

[0:05:50] Voice 4: Assistant, discussing

[0:05:54] Voice 4: the Member of Parliament's Advocacy

[0:05:58] Voice 4: for Maintenance and Repair, False Bay Dock.

[0:06:02] Voice 4: financial planning committee met on the 21st and we'll meet again on the 18th followed by

[0:06:09] Voice 4: committee the whole for consideration of the budget on january 22nd i met with bc fairies

[0:06:16] Voice 4: local elected officials engagement session and took the opportunity to ask follow-up on

[0:06:23] Voice 4: some correspondence i had sent in the fall that correspondence and the subsequent reply that came

[0:06:31] Voice 4: came surprisingly in the next day or two after that um are on our agenda today I met with City

[0:06:38] Voice 4: West um to talk about their planning for the public meeting for February 17th on the fiber

[0:06:46] Voice 4: optic project on the 29th the governance committee met mostly consideration of policy updates and the

[0:06:55] Voice 4: executive committee election process uh the 29th of january the trustee onboarding working group

[0:07:03] Voice 4: met which is a group of trustees um working to see how we might improve the experience of incoming

[0:07:10] Voice 4: newly elected trustees after post-election and executive committee met again on the 4th of

[0:07:17] Voice 4: february so yeah back to the um the situation around the dock uh director fall we'll probably

[0:07:28] Voice 4: have some uh something to share about this too but we met with a fellow trustee and regional

[0:07:34] Voice 4: director from gambier to discuss advocacy to the association of vancouver island coastal communities

[0:07:41] Voice 4: convention essentially to request transport canada to cease its efforts to divest our docked

[0:07:49] Voice 4: and others like it that are redeemed remote ports.

[0:07:52] Voice 4: And I also spoke to representatives from some other communities

[0:07:56] Voice 4: with remote ports on the divestiture list,

[0:08:00] Voice 4: including Bamfield, Bella Bella, and Cayucot,

[0:08:03] Voice 4: and reached out to some other leaders in other BC communities

[0:08:07] Voice 4: who are also on the divestiture list.

[0:08:11] Voice 4: Trustee Laroni mentioned the Community Association.

[0:08:16] Voice 4: I'm looking at internet for the hall,

[0:08:19] Voice 4: and I'm also looking into potential for short-term option.

[0:08:26] Voice 4: There's a Starlink unit that someone has offered.

[0:08:30] Voice 4: I'm going to try and get out there to test it,

[0:08:32] Voice 4: see if it'll work at the hall.

[0:08:34] Voice 4: And hopefully we can get back to in-person meetings soon.

[0:08:39] Voice 4: And that is it for my report.

[0:08:43] Voice 11: Thank you, Trustee Peterson.

[0:08:44] Voice 11: And thank you for all that intergovernmental liaison work.

[0:08:48] Voice 11: it's it's really helpful to have these reports and to hear what you're what you're doing um

[0:08:54] Voice 11: for my chair's report uh friday february 6th most recently regional planning committee met and it

[0:09:03] Voice 11: might be of interest for community members to review the video um particularly as it had a

[0:09:11] Voice 11: number of briefings on trust-wide projects that inform the um integration of biology

[0:09:19] Voice 11: into decision making uh and the an update on the freshwater sustainability strategy

[0:09:26] Voice 11: implementation there's a very large discussion about um the freshwater sustainability work and

[0:09:33] Voice 11: how that's being implemented on islands across the trust area it was really helpful for those

[0:09:38] Voice 11: I think that aren't familiar how long this project's been going. It is one of the strategic priorities of Trust Council going back to 2015, I believe. And so now we're looking to Trust Council, I think to fund in this upcoming budget, a review of the project so far, and looking forward to implementation steps.

[0:10:03] Voice 11: But the biologist who has been on staff for the last year, presented to RPC, along with Erica Wheeler, who has been on staff working for the Conservancy, both of these positions were funded through Species at Risk Grant.

[0:10:20] Voice 11: And so it really was eye-opening to see how their work is informing land use planning, vetting of applications, making sure that environmental reports are consistent, creating templates so that there's actually less work for applicants and more coherence between our planning offices.

[0:10:45] Voice 11: So those were very good. Policy statement consultation on the draft bylaw 183, which has been undergoing a six month period of public engagement.

[0:10:58] Voice 11: that period is now closed, referral of the draft policy statement bylaw to

[0:11:04] Voice 11: indigenous governing bodies and government agencies including each local

[0:11:08] Voice 11: trust committee was also underway and that business is on our agenda today but

[0:11:17] Voice 11: I wanted to note for the public while the formal public engagement phase is

[0:11:20] Voice 11: closed you can still share your thoughts and ask questions about the draft

[0:11:24] Voice 11: policy statement by email so emailing islands 2050 at islandstrust.bc.ca and all those emails

[0:11:32] Voice 11: are in a correspondence folder which trustees are reviewing hopefully all the time and

[0:11:40] Voice 11: correspondence is posted on the project website one update on the draft budget for draft 2026-27

[0:11:50] Voice 11: budget thank you trustee peterson for noting the upcoming meeting of financial planning committee

[0:11:57] Voice 11: and a committee of the whole so that includes it's hopefully all trustees will

[0:12:02] Voice 11: for an open discussion on february 18th um this is a challenging budget to um

[0:12:12] Voice 11: bring down just because we have lost a lot of expected investment income estimates loss of

[0:12:23] Voice 11: grants total plan spending has increased but even if operations were maintained at present rates we

[0:12:31] Voice 11: we would see a 7.1% increase.

[0:12:39] Voice 11: Anything close to our current year's budget,

[0:12:45] Voice 11: new trustee orientation equipment,

[0:12:48] Voice 11: the cost for elections has gone up.

[0:12:51] Voice 11: We are resourcing reconciliation with First Nations

[0:12:55] Voice 11: and communications work

[0:12:56] Voice 11: and continuing Trust Council strategic plan projects.

[0:13:01] Voice 11: But another big piece is the development

[0:13:03] Voice 11: of Islands Trust Conservancy's five-year plan, which has been delayed for over two years now.

[0:13:12] Voice 11: We're running on sort of the last five-year plan. It's a statutory obligation,

[0:13:18] Voice 11: and it is due to be tabled to the minister in December 2027. So their engagement has just

[0:13:26] Voice 11: begun for that, and that's going to be the major project for the Conservancy.

[0:13:32] Voice 11: finally one more note um the chair of trust council did uh send an email or sorry a letter

[0:13:40] Voice 11: to snana'a's first nation uh with congratulations and expressing interest in a leadership to

[0:13:47] Voice 11: leadership meeting that hasn't appeared on our agenda but if i get the a-okay from the chair

[0:13:53] Voice 11: we can add that as um as a late correspondence and i just want to thank both local trustees

[0:14:05] Voice 11: for contributing towards that letter.

[0:14:10] Voice 11: We talked about reinvigorating the relationship

[0:14:11] Voice 11: and the joint working group

[0:14:13] Voice 11: and noted that the LTC is substantively

[0:14:17] Voice 11: digging into our OCP again.

[0:14:20] Voice 11: So looking for their feedback and comments on that.

[0:14:25] Voice 11: Okay, thank you.

[0:14:27] Voice 11: And I'll turn it over to Director Fall.

[0:14:29] Voice 11: Do you have an update for us?

[0:14:31] Voice 5: I do, thank you, Chair.

[0:14:33] Voice 5: So I have a couple items.

[0:14:35] Voice 5: I've had the pleasure of working a lot the last little while with Trustee Peterson on a number of items that he covered. I'll just give a couple extra nuances to it. The regional district unanimously agreed to forward or submit an AVICC resolution, Association of Vancouver Island and Coastal Communities, on remote ports.

[0:14:57] Voice 5: And basically, which includes False Bay Wharf on Lusketia Island.

[0:15:02] Voice 5: And Transport Canada has had ongoing efforts to divest those and the resolutions essentially asking them to stop that.

[0:15:11] Voice 5: They've reduced their number of ports from 549 down to 35 in Canada, 17 of which I believe are considered as remote ports.

[0:15:23] Voice 5: and remote ports are facilities that are the primary access point for community so there is

[0:15:29] Voice 5: no other alternative there's no bc ferry facility or any anything else so or bridge so we're

[0:15:37] Voice 5: basically the resolutions asking transport candidates to accept that those are public

[0:15:41] Voice 5: services and the federal government should pay for them in the same way the province pays for

[0:15:46] Voice 5: bc ferries terminals uh so that's that'll be finalized at our meeting this week but it's

[0:15:52] Voice 5: It's basically going to be forwarded to AVICC.

[0:15:54] Voice 5: The specific wording of the resolution is published in my monthly article in the community

[0:16:00] Voice 5: newsletter, Hui Eitei News.

[0:16:02] Voice 5: As Trustee Peterson mentioned, we've also been meeting several times with our MP, Cor

[0:16:07] Voice 5: Johns' constituency assistant about this to help him advocate for us.

[0:16:12] Voice 5: I've also been meeting with the ferry committee on which Trustee Peterson sits as well about

[0:16:17] Voice 5: the ferry.

[0:16:18] Voice 5: We've had ongoing issues with our ferry, which I won't go into.

[0:16:20] Voice 5: It's just a chronic issue. But our, you know, our ferry committee is active, which is one of, sorry, one of the advantages of us being a community run ferry committee is that we still have it. Communities that had former ferry advisory committees, those are dismantled. People have been asking for them, they may come back, but we still have our committee and we're able to advocate.

[0:16:40] Voice 5: Kate. There's an upcoming public meeting to be organized by City West regarding a potential

[0:16:47] Voice 5: fiber optic last mile funding project on Liskety Island, February 17th, which will be online and

[0:16:57] Voice 5: the link will be sent out when it's available. I've met a couple of times with them, with City

[0:17:03] Voice 5: West CEO and some of their staff, as well as with our CEO, and I've mentioned it with the

[0:17:09] Voice 5: the regional district so we're supporting that public meeting and bringing that forward and then

[0:17:13] Voice 5: we'll see what the what what comes out of that and we'll see if public supports this we're going

[0:17:18] Voice 5: into the budget uh as as dan's trust is so that's our big focus i'm chair of the finance committee

[0:17:23] Voice 5: so that's always fun our budget we've got expanded information so our budget package is approximately

[0:17:29] Voice 5: i think 450 pages long as our budget so it's uh it's kind of fun and uh you know so we're going

[0:17:35] Voice 5: going to be talking about that tomorrow. And it's not yet clear what the budget implications are for

[0:17:41] Voice 5: Liskiti. The overall budget looks like it'll be plus 2%. Liskiti may be a little bit higher,

[0:17:47] Voice 5: because one thing actually I'll raise here, which may affect the island's trust budget,

[0:17:51] Voice 5: I was confused by some of the numbers until I realized that the assessed values on Liskiti

[0:17:57] Voice 5: Island have gone up by 11% on average, it seems, whereas the assessed values overall elsewhere in

[0:18:05] Voice 5: the regional district only went up by 2% or 3%. And what that does in the regional district is it

[0:18:12] Voice 5: means that Liskiti Island shares a larger burden of the tax load from shared services. And I don't

[0:18:20] Voice 5: know if that would happen in the Islands Trust, but basically if the assessed values of Liskiti

[0:18:26] Voice 5: have gone up faster overall than elsewhere by a significant amount, it basically

[0:18:30] Voice 5: imports taxes onto Liskiti.

[0:18:33] Voice 5: And so we're paying a higher share of administration,

[0:18:35] Voice 5: regional parks, waste management.

[0:18:37] Voice 5: So there's a bit of an implication for that,

[0:18:41] Voice 5: of a couple percent increase in taxes just due to that.

[0:18:45] Voice 5: And finally, I'll just mention the LCA,

[0:18:46] Voice 5: the Liskiti Community Association budget.

[0:18:48] Voice 5: So I've had some communications

[0:18:50] Voice 5: with various members of the executive

[0:18:54] Voice 5: about helping them make their annual request,

[0:18:57] Voice 5: request, but also about, you know, how to include the ability to look into internet.

[0:19:03] Voice 5: So that's something the LCA does have the ability to do to request some funds for that,

[0:19:08] Voice 5: which they've done.

[0:19:09] Voice 5: And that'll be considered at our budget at our finance committee meeting tomorrow.

[0:19:14] Voice 5: And the LCA can continue on their explorations for whether and how internet may be provided.

[0:19:20] Voice 5: And I'll leave it there.

[0:19:22] Voice 5: Thank you, Chair.

[0:19:24] Voice 11: Thank you, Director.

[0:19:25] Voice 11: Doctor, is there anyone who can find out why the assessments have gone up so much for Luskete as opposed to other areas?

[0:19:33] Voice 11: That just seems curious.

[0:19:35] Voice 11: Actually, the BC Assessment Office seems pretty open to questions if anybody wants to.

[0:19:42] Voice 5: I mean, if I might, often we get overall what they call tax rolls.

[0:19:47] Voice 5: And, you know, they're sometimes a bit confusing because they're, you know, adjusted and, you know, they have all these, you know, there's people can appeal.

[0:19:53] Voice 5: So there will be updates in March based on appeals, but you can't appeal a whole island, a whole region, that's property by property. So I will either myself or through the regional district try to find out. I did do a, you know, you can go on their website and you can look at, there's a map, and you can zoom in and you can click on any property and you know, that's public information, the assessed value of any property in British Columbia is public information, it's not private.

[0:20:18] Voice 5: it so you can click on so i went in and just randomly clicked on properties on luskete to

[0:20:23] Voice 5: seize what happens and sure enough there's a variation of course but sure enough the the

[0:20:28] Voice 5: increases are are in that range and so i'll i plan to look into it but i expect the answers

[0:20:35] Voice 5: from bc assessment is we applied our methodology and that's what happens so it may be something

[0:20:41] Voice 5: but i don't think it's a mistake i don't think it's an anything from the regional district

[0:20:46] Voice 5: assessment. I think the answer is going to be that's just what it is. If that's the case across

[0:20:51] Voice 5: the Islands Trust, that of course doesn't actually directly impact taxes, at least in the regional

[0:20:56] Voice 5: district. If every property goes up 10%, well, your tax rate goes down 10%, you raise the same

[0:21:00] Voice 5: money. So it doesn't actually mean anything. It's when one area goes up way faster than another,

[0:21:06] Voice 5: then it has shifting implications. In the same way, if an individual property goes up a lot more

[0:21:11] Voice 5: than another property, they will invite more taxes on their property. So I don't know. I'll

[0:21:15] Voice 5: I'll find out, but I just wanted to raise that in case there's, if that's something that might show up or help explain any anomalies or adjustments that happen for Luskeetee, if that's the case relative to other islands.

[0:21:29] Voice 11: Thank you for that information. Very helpful.

[0:21:34] Voice 11: Okay, well, we'll carry on with our agenda.

[0:21:36] Voice 11: We are now into Section 5, our Town Hall public participation.

[0:21:41] Voice 11: Just want to note that, and thank you to the number of attendees here who are participating.

[0:21:47] Voice 11: We have three representatives from BC Marine Trails who are going to speak later in the agenda.

[0:21:57] Voice 11: So I've asked them to note down any questions or comments that members of the public have on the matter of the alternative sites.

[0:22:11] Voice 11: We're going to have a discussion at 7.2, so alternative sites for camping as part of BC

[0:22:17] Voice 11: Marine Trails.

[0:22:18] Voice 11: So if you've got questions, suggestions, comments, please raise them during town hall, and we

[0:22:25] Voice 11: will get into that discussion later at 7.2.

[0:22:29] Voice 11: So just a few notes about public participation.

[0:22:32] Voice 11: We have a meeting procedure bylaw now that is adopted by Trust Council.

[0:22:37] Voice 11: so this session is going to be 15 minutes in duration we can extend it by majority vote

[0:22:47] Voice 11: each member of the public can have three minutes to address the local trust committee

[0:22:51] Voice 11: and we ask you to state your first and last name and the topic involved the subjects must relate

[0:22:59] Voice 11: directly to matters under the jurisdiction of a local trust committee but other subjects may be

[0:23:03] Voice 11: permitted by majority vote of the local trust committee of course since we are all sitting on

[0:23:09] Voice 11: various committees uh if you've got information on the budget or comments um you can feed that

[0:23:15] Voice 11: to local trust committee i actually i neglected to say in my update my apologies that there's

[0:23:22] Voice 11: actually a special page on our website under about us slash accountability slash budget

[0:23:30] Voice 11: budget which explains pretty in in pretty good detail um the reasons for the proposed budget as

[0:23:38] Voice 11: it sits today so I do want to I will be referring to that if you have questions most of the

[0:23:45] Voice 11: information that is available to the public is published on that page but anyway

[0:32:14] Voice 3: okay if we're all

[0:32:15] Voice 11: learning from our break here thank you for putting that notice up lisa

[0:32:25] Voice 11: uh just before we carry on with our business i do want to acknowledge um that we are still

[0:32:32] Voice 11: learning how to maintain a respectful public comment period i do want to note that there

[0:32:41] Voice 11: were some comments that i consider harmful towards indigenous people some statements

[0:32:47] Voice 11: made during the public participation time, the denial of the presence and the ongoing

[0:32:55] Voice 11: relationship of Indigenous peoples to these lands and waters that we govern in and make

[0:33:04] Voice 11: decisions on, but we share rights to, that is just not acceptable, denying the constitutionally

[0:33:15] Voice 11: protected rights of Indigenous people. And so I just want to say that that's something we're

[0:33:21] Voice 11: continually working to address. It's sometimes difficult live in the meeting. I know people have

[0:33:26] Voice 11: some strong feelings, but we're not here to debate on the point of feelings. We have obligations and

[0:33:35] Voice 11: responsibilities as a local government. So we'll try to keep future conversations within

[0:33:40] Voice 11: in the lanes of our jurisdiction and to keep to be mindful and maintain a respectful tone

[0:33:49] Voice 11: about the presence and ongoing relationship of Indigenous peoples to their territories and the

[0:33:58] Voice 11: lands within them. So wanting to carry on, we have in section seven, two items of business,

[0:34:06] Voice 11: our follow-up action list there was a few questions raised so perhaps we could go through

[0:34:12] Voice 11: that a little bit more carefully and then we'll go on to our discussion with the um guests here

[0:34:17] Voice 11: today who've joined us thank you is there any oh and i've missed the minutes i apologize sorry

[0:34:25] Voice 11: back to uh 6.1 we've got a voluminous set of minutes from december 8th 2025 were there any

[0:34:34] Voice 11: any amendments or corrections to those minutes. If not, I'll take it by general consent that the

[0:34:43] Voice 11: minutes dated February, sorry, December 8th, 2025 be adopted. There are no resolutions without

[0:34:50] Voice 11: meeting report or advisory planning commission minutes. So now we'll turn to our follow-up

[0:34:55] Voice 11: action list, page 14. Okay. So on that first item, I guess here, or and it's item two on the next

[0:35:13] Voice 11: page the minor project and then the land use bylaw no sorry that's separate um perhaps we

[0:35:20] Voice 11: could discuss briefly our ocp review and the status of that uh planner bod did um was rpm

[0:35:27] Voice 11: jamerot uh able to join us i

[0:35:31] Voice 2: will send her a note now to see if she can join um and then if you have

[0:35:35] Voice 2: other questions about other

[0:35:36] Voice 11: follow

[0:35:38] Voice 2: -up action items we can maybe take those first and that's okay

[0:35:42] Voice 2: Okay.

[0:35:43] Voice 11: So somebody had asked about the item from 21st of October on page 14. I believe this was

[0:35:52] Voice 11: related to options two and three, which was a community information meeting during the regular

[0:36:00] Voice 11: business meeting. So do we need to clarify anything for the public about the decision of the LTC

[0:36:07] Voice 11: see um on our engagement options on the policy statement i think it's pretty straightforward

[0:36:18] Voice 11: it's just stating we already had to make a resolution what our preference was so that's

[0:36:23] Voice 11: what that was relating to um revise and finalize major ocp review project charter for regional

[0:36:33] Voice 11: planning team. That is at 50%, and I see that RPM Damarat has joined us. We're just discussing

[0:36:42] Voice 11: the follow-up action list and sort of timing and staging for the major OCP review project.

[0:36:50] Voice 11: Wondered if you could provide us a bit of an update on the status of that.

[0:36:55] Voice 11: Good

[0:36:57] Voice 9: afternoon, LTC. Good afternoon, community members. I don't have any new updates to share on the OCP major project. That project is still pending startup with the regional planning team for their time.

[0:37:17] Voice 9: I don't have any updates in terms of the budgeting work either the budget was

[0:37:24] Voice 9: approved is the budget for next fiscal is is still for approval what I am

[0:37:33] Voice 9: currently seeking some guidance on through the director of planning

[0:37:38] Voice 9: services is how we will present for Trust Council's consideration of the

[0:37:45] Voice 9: budget, the project work and the budget that has been approved this current fiscal and recognizing

[0:37:52] Voice 9: that the project work will still need to get done. So once I have some information to share on how we

[0:38:01] Voice 9: will approach the budget for this current fiscal and next fiscal, that's an update that I'll share

[0:38:10] Voice 9: with the ltc i didn't want to go too far into that detail now because i i'm still looking for some

[0:38:17] Voice 9: some direction on that but with the conversation i've had with the director of planning services

[0:38:27] Voice 9: is we'll capture that information for finance for the budgeting for the budget approval process

[0:38:33] Voice 9: us.

[0:38:36] Voice 11: Right. But seeing as the LTC doesn't have another meeting before budget approval and the

[0:38:44] Voice 11: new fiscal begins, do we need to give any direction about recommending not proceeding

[0:38:53] Voice 11: with a business case for the next fiscal's budget request if we are still going to be

[0:39:04] Voice 11: using the budget from the current fiscal, which has not been expended due to the project not yet

[0:39:12] Voice 11: starting?

[0:39:13] Voice 9: Through the chair, that's been the nature of the conversation I'm having with the

[0:39:19] Voice 9: director. The intent from the LTC is to have a major project next fiscal. So that is where we're

[0:39:28] Voice 9: basing the request on. The LTC has approved a business case for next fiscal with a request for

[0:39:36] Voice 9: monies attached to that. So what that will look like in terms of the amount and the work

[0:39:45] Voice 9: will be suggesting that this current project, if the work hasn't started before the end of this

[0:39:52] Voice 9: fiscal will be forwarded to next fiscal and the corresponding amount to recognize that work to be

[0:40:00] Voice 9: done. So how that happens is what I'm seeking some guidance on. The LTC may not need to provide

[0:40:09] Voice 9: another resolution, but I don't have that guidance yet.

[0:40:15] Voice 11: Okay, thank you. Trustee Peterson?

[0:40:17] Voice 11: My

[0:40:18] Voice 4: understanding talking to the director of planning was that procedurally, any unspent funds in this fiscal go back into surplus. And so it is necessary for the local trust committee to request funds for next fiscal. Leftover funds don't automatically roll over into the next fiscal for this project.

[0:40:43] Voice 4: And

[0:40:44] Voice 9: through the chair, we have also captured that as well, to note that it's denoted in a way that the LTC will be able to have a budget and work for next fiscal.

[0:41:01] Voice 9: Yeah,

[0:41:03] Voice 11: I just wanted to be clear that we're not going to be taxing twice for the same project, that those monies that are unspent go into surplus and then could be with redrawn next fiscal for the budget. So I'm sure staff is well aware of our...

[0:41:18] Voice 9: Through the chair, yes, that is being looked at and confirmed that there won't be more budget than needed for next fiscal's work.

[0:41:32] Voice 11: Great. Thank you. Any more questions on OCP updates? Well, we have our PM Jamerat. Yes, Trustee Peterson.

[0:41:47] Voice 4: Yeah, thank you, Chair. I am, of course, I don't know where the regional planning team has, or sort of what level probably you, I would imagine, preparation for when the regional planning team's ready.

[0:42:01] Voice 4: ready, but I just wanted to draw attention to make certain that the LCA OCP Steering

[0:42:09] Voice 4: Committee's report is available to you all, which informed the draft, which reached second

[0:42:16] Voice 4: reading last term, and to make sure that that draft version where we had spent considerable

[0:42:23] Voice 4: time on determining how to speak about the local sheep.

[0:42:28] Voice 4: it starts out in the new draft so we don't have to circle back to that through

[0:42:39] Voice 9: the chair thank

[0:42:40] Voice 9: you trustee peterson i believe that's noted but you're saying it again and we'll make sure that's

[0:42:45] Voice 9: noted thank

[0:42:48] Voice 11: you um so there was a question posed during uh town hall about the apc and i don't

[0:42:58] Voice 11: think we have we don't really have any place on our agenda to discuss it so because it's related

[0:43:04] Voice 11: to the ocp review um do we have what are the terms for the current oc apc rather

[0:43:12] Voice 11: and could there be consideration of re-issuing a notice uh or a call for additional apc members to

[0:43:24] Voice 11: fill out the nine member um commission through

[0:43:31] Voice 9: the chair um pardon me i'm not sure if planner

[0:43:33] Voice 9: or Bao had responded with any information.

[0:43:37] Voice 9: Planner Bao, did you want to go first?

[0:43:40] Voice 2: It doesn't matter.

[0:43:42] Voice 2: I can respond, but you go ahead.

[0:43:43] Voice 2: Sure.

[0:43:44] Voice 9: Okay.

[0:43:44] Voice 9: So just briefly, and Planner Bao can jump in by all means.

[0:43:50] Voice 9: The APC would be requested from the LTC for reviewing a certain topic.

[0:43:58] Voice 9: So if it's for a project, to provide recommendations.

[0:44:02] Voice 9: and that's when with that direction that's when staff would refer to the APC. At that time it

[0:44:12] Voice 9: could be an option where you request we put out staff request and put another expression of

[0:44:19] Voice 9: interest out for more members if there isn't for example the full seven members or nine members

[0:44:27] Voice 9: that could sit on an advisory committee.

[0:44:31] Voice 9: So staff can do it at that time when you have a project ready.

[0:44:37] Voice 9: And I suggest that only because if there is a term

[0:44:41] Voice 9: and there's an expiry to the term,

[0:44:43] Voice 9: so if there is no projects happening at that time,

[0:44:48] Voice 9: we may have to do that again anyways

[0:44:51] Voice 9: once the LTC has a project they'd like to refer.

[0:44:55] Voice 9: Planner Brad, do you have anything to add to that?

[0:44:57] Voice 9: that

[0:45:00] Voice 2: um no i don't think so well well maybe just just to say that you do have an advisory planning

[0:45:06] Voice 2: commission there is uh it's not full there are there's space to add more members if you wish to

[0:45:13] Voice 2: uh issue and advertise for expressions of interest and um but but that is i think that's a good

[0:45:21] Voice 2: consideration too about uh what do you have to refer at the moment and um and thinking about how

[0:45:27] Voice 2: to kind of use that time valuably in terms of their two-year terms that they have.

[0:45:33] Voice 11: Right. Yeah. And we don't really want to have staggered. So that's why I was asking if you

[0:45:39] Voice 11: could check into what are the appointment, when are the terms up? Because if we could time it so

[0:45:45] Voice 11: that I know staff will bring that back, but I think we're hearing from the community that they're

[0:45:50] Voice 11: are interested in having a fuller complement of APC members so that when the OCP project

[0:45:59] Voice 11: is underway, although I understand that's still probably some months from being ready to give a

[0:46:06] Voice 11: referral to the APC, but that there could be a fuller, as many members as are open on that

[0:46:16] Voice 11: committee. So I think we can trust staff to bring that back if we're getting close to the end of the

[0:46:23] Voice 11: two-year term of APC members. We can issue a notification for expressions of interest.

[0:46:33] Voice 11: Yep. RPM, Deborah? And

[0:46:36] Voice 9: through the chair, at the time that the LTC would like to refer

[0:46:40] Voice 9: refer an item out to the Advisory Planning Committee, staff would and are able to pose

[0:46:47] Voice 9: that question as well to the LTC to say, hey, there are seven of nine members, would you like

[0:46:54] Voice 9: to post an expression of interest for the other two vacancies? And at that time of making the

[0:47:01] Voice 9: resolution, you can also direct staff to do that. So there is time to also consider that in the

[0:47:07] Voice 9: future okay

[0:47:09] Voice 11: thanks that was all my questions on uh anybody else with questions for staff on the

[0:47:18] Voice 11: follow-up action list

[0:47:23] Voice 2: i'm just wondering if do you want me to report back to you on the

[0:47:28] Voice 2: end date for the current advisory planning question yeah so it is february 2027

[0:47:39] Voice 2: that's when the terms up and they are all concurrent so they all the members will

[0:47:46] Voice 2: will be done at the same time okay

[0:47:49] Voice 11: thank you very much um okay any further questions

[0:48:00] Voice 11: not seeing any we can move to our thank you for your patience to our guests who are invited here

[0:48:11] Voice 11: today for discussion uh so item 7.2 a discussion with bc marine trails um just let me flip to

[0:48:22] Voice 11: to this uh so we had previously discussed um a referral crown referral to the ltc which

[0:48:31] Voice 11: we responded to i believe in um july i think last year and we were i guess in conversation

[0:48:40] Voice 11: between bc marine trails trustee peterson and perhaps you have a few words about this

[0:48:46] Voice 11: we invited representatives to explore alternatives to Sea Egg Cove

[0:48:51] Voice 11: in order to ensure safe recreational access for their proposed

[0:48:59] Voice 11: tourism, marine-based tourism trails. So that's the results of this meeting. Thank you to all,

[0:49:08] Voice 11: all Sheila Harrington included, for advocacy and for communicating the interests of the

[0:49:16] Voice 11: Leskete community. And so here we are today. I'll turn to Karina Youk. Thank you. Welcome.

[0:49:23] Voice 11: And would you please introduce your team?

[0:49:26] Voice 10: Absolutely. Thank you very much for the

[0:49:28] Voice 10: invitation to attend your meeting. I apologize in advance if I'm not using the correct protocols.

[0:49:34] Voice 10: calls it's very formal we're used to being very informal at our meetings so i would like to

[0:49:39] Voice 10: introduce um with me today are gina gotch who is the vice chair and also chair of communications

[0:49:46] Voice 10: and robert holey who is our trails development representative so if we have questions around

[0:49:53] Voice 10: the marine trails and also is our valued valued treasurer so some of the issues that we were

[0:50:01] Voice 10: sharing back and forth it's an opportunity today to hear your concerns and also to express ours

[0:50:08] Voice 10: really i think in your introduction you mentioned about tourism-based recreation and really

[0:50:15] Voice 10: the origins of bc marine trails was about coastal recreation for the public so it's that opportunity

[0:50:22] Voice 10: for people to be able to visit coastal sites and so bc marine trails has set up a system where it's

[0:50:29] Voice 10: It's about safe navigation, respectful navigation, respect with First Nations communities as well, and that idea that these are traditional territories.

[0:50:39] Voice 10: And so in order to approve a site to go on our map, we are really working towards having concurrence so that every nation involved in a certain site has agreed to have that site posted.

[0:50:51] Voice 10: it. So I'd like to open it, first of all, if there are questions from the people in attendance at

[0:50:57] Voice 10: this meeting of BC Marine Trails, and then perhaps share a little bit about what we're looking to try

[0:51:04] Voice 10: and do in terms of safety for paddling and non-motorized sport recreation.

[0:51:11] Voice 11: Thank you so

[0:51:12] Voice 11: much for that introduction, Karina, and I see Trustee Peterson, and I just want to thank you

[0:51:18] Voice 11: again trustee peterson your extensive correspondence and um and thoughtful uh feedback on behalf of the

[0:51:26] Voice 11: community has really been helpful so please go ahead thank

[0:51:31] Voice 4: you chair and uh uh welcome uh karina

[0:51:34] Voice 4: gina and robert um really glad to have this opportunity to to start having some discussions

[0:51:40] Voice 4: It seemed to me around the NOLS application that there was some confluence of thinking between the concerns we heard in the community and what I heard from you.

[0:52:01] Voice 4: you. So anytime there's an opportunity to really see where interests align in support of our

[0:52:10] Voice 4: community goals is always something I want to lean into when we have the opportunity to do so.

[0:52:16] Voice 4: I will confess that I don't have a really strong grasp of how you do mapping and recommendations

[0:52:28] Voice 4: and several other things uh however i'm hoping to to learn more in conversation one thing that

[0:52:37] Voice 4: did stand out um to me was uh um you know a note noting that bc marine trails had concerns about

[0:52:44] Voice 4: that application and also um that your assessment for overnight camping at that site um was for no

[0:52:54] Voice 4: know, more than two to four tenths, a small group only, whereas the application was for larger

[0:53:04] Voice 4: groups. And maybe you can just give us a little bit on maybe just a super high level layman's

[0:53:14] Voice 4: version, I guess, of how you determine what you think is appropriate numbers for that type of site.

[0:53:24] Voice 4: And then maybe I'll just leave it there and then we can get into more conversation.

[0:53:29] Voice 10: And I see Robert has his hand up, so I might pass it over to Robert in terms of what you do on the Trails Development Committee for determining the number of tents per site.

[0:53:38] Voice 1: I was just going to suggest that I give you the quick overview.

[0:53:41] Voice 1: So starting at the very top, our vision is that you should be able to paddle from anywhere to anywhere else on the BC coast and find a network of sites to support your journey.

[0:53:52] Voice 1: journey. And then we have to immediately start getting into the details. Well, how many sites

[0:53:57] Voice 1: is enough? And we've set a standard of eight to 12 nautical miles. So that would be 16 to 24

[0:54:05] Voice 1: kilometers maximum between sites. And that's as far as a group could paddle in a day. And those

[0:54:12] Voice 1: are campsites. So you can get off the water, take a break, start fresh the next day. In between

[0:54:16] Voice 1: those, our vision is that you should be able to get off the water within the hour because conditions

[0:54:21] Voice 1: conditions change very, very quickly. And that translates to four or five kilometers between

[0:54:27] Voice 1: sites. So if you extend that up the coast, that's a lot of sites. And we, I mean, we have to start

[0:54:37] Voice 1: somewhere. So we've got a lot of intelligence, we've put it on the map, and we're working hard

[0:54:44] Voice 1: to check out the sites. We call it an assessment to make sure that, you know, what we understand

[0:54:50] Voice 1: stand from correspondence is actually true on the ground. And we also seek concurrence. And this is

[0:54:57] Voice 1: a big change from our early, early years. We look at which First Nations have a traditional

[0:55:03] Voice 1: territory, which extends to encompass the site. And we seek their concurrence that the site is

[0:55:09] Voice 1: reasonable to be used. So we're not looking for permission. We're looking for a lack of objections

[0:55:16] Voice 1: at this time? You know, they're not giving us anything. They're certainly not giving us title.

[0:55:21] Voice 1: But they're saying for now, yeah, we're cool. Or that's an old village site. Absolutely never.

[0:55:27] Voice 1: And there's a whole range of things in between. And then at the next level down, we're looking

[0:55:35] Voice 1: at, well, what is a decent site? When would we actually put it on the map? And if it's going to

[0:55:40] Voice 1: to be at what we'd call a primary site. It should offer reasonable landing and reasonable security

[0:55:49] Voice 1: in most weather conditions. So you're able to get in out of the wind, out of the tide. So you need

[0:55:57] Voice 1: to be up above the highest tides. And we typically don't consider it as a site until you can put at

[0:56:03] Voice 1: least two tenths on it. And that may seem like a pretty black and white guideline, but you would

[0:56:10] Voice 1: would be amazed at the places that some people will put tents and call it adequate for the night.

[0:56:14] Voice 1: Other people will look at a site and go, oh, there's no place to stop here. And they'll just

[0:56:18] Voice 1: keep moving on. So the whole process is very subjective and requires some veteran kayakers

[0:56:25] Voice 1: with experience to look at a site and say, yeah, that one's actually no good because when the tide's

[0:56:31] Voice 1: high, it vanishes. Or I can see in the woods, there are a couple of places that we can put

[0:56:36] Voice 1: what tents, that one's okay. So that's a real high level overview of the mapping and site

[0:56:44] Voice 1: assessment and site development process. And the other thing I should mention is that almost all

[0:56:49] Voice 1: of this is done by volunteers. We now have the grand total of three paid staff. One works with

[0:56:56] Voice 1: First Nations, one works with maps and sites, and the third one works on communications and

[0:57:02] Voice 1: environment. And the rest of it is volunteer work. And

[0:57:10] Voice 1: Corrine is about to share something.

[0:57:12] Voice 1: Ah, there we go.

[0:57:12] Voice 10: Well, I thought that I would bring it up. Please go

[0:57:15] Voice 11: ahead. We don't have to

[0:57:17] Voice 11: be so formal in the discussion.

[0:57:21] Voice 10: So I'm not sure if you're able to see this, but when Robert was

[0:57:25] Voice 10: talking about sites and being able to get from one place to another and off the water, you can

[0:57:30] Voice 10: see Sea Egg Cove is the only campsite right on Liskety Island. There are a couple more a little

[0:57:36] Voice 10: little bit up to the north here at Fagin Islets and Finudia Islands. The concern that we have,

[0:57:43] Voice 10: and I can add to that because this summer, last summer, I was able to go around Luskeedie Island.

[0:57:48] Voice 10: We spent time on Jedediah and were able to spend a few days there. But the wind conditions were

[0:57:53] Voice 10: such that we actually had to make sure that we were on the water really early in the morning

[0:57:58] Voice 10: to be able to get across to Squiddy Bay and then all the way up to False Bay before the ferry left.

[0:58:04] Voice 10: that journey really brought home to me how important it is to have as many places as

[0:58:11] Voice 10: possible where it's permitted to pull over because when we look at our map we could stop at squitty

[0:58:17] Voice 10: bay and then not again until the ecological reserve well against the wind that's a long

[0:58:23] Voice 10: stretch of paddling and then to get to see a cove we actually stopped three times between

[0:58:29] Voice 10: between Liskiti and Sea Egg Cove,

[0:58:31] Voice 10: just because the wind conditions were so strong,

[0:58:34] Voice 10: gathered our strength and then continued on to Faults Bay.

[0:58:36] Voice 10: So our real invitation to Liskiti Islanders

[0:58:41] Voice 10: is to start looking at,

[0:58:42] Voice 10: are there other possible places for paddlers

[0:58:46] Voice 10: to have those sites listed on the map

[0:58:48] Voice 10: to be able to pull off and be safer on the water?

[0:58:52] Voice 10: Because it is an area where the winds come up

[0:58:54] Voice 10: and it can be a real slug.

[0:58:56] Voice 10: so certainly once we're over on the other side over into Jedediah it was possible there's a

[0:59:03] Voice 10: little bit more room to pull over it and move off the island the second part of our question is to

[0:59:10] Voice 10: understand and I think trustee Peterson mentioned this is that we have lots of common interests and

[0:59:15] Voice 10: areas that we are working on so the idea of being ecologically respectful looking at how do we

[0:59:21] Voice 10: encourage a code of conduct for all paddlers and I'm saying paddlers but really anyone who is doing

[0:59:29] Voice 10: coastal recreation. We want to make sure that the code of conduct is respected, that people are

[0:59:34] Voice 10: being careful when they're visiting sites and that's why generally people who are members of

[0:59:40] Voice 10: BC Marine Trails try to adhere to the sites that are listed on the map and not simply going just

[0:59:46] Voice 10: anywhere. So one of the things that we do, these orange dots represent site condition reports that

[0:59:53] Voice 10: have been sent in by members or anybody is able to send in a site condition report.

[1:00:00] Voice 10: So it was one of my requests of Trustee Peterson is that perhaps we could look at how our coastal caretakers program is similar to what you do with your Jedediah, Friends of Jedediah program, and that there is perhaps opportunities to work together to be able to have reports that would end up showing up on this map as well, to be able to say these are areas that perhaps there's a tent site that needs repair.

[1:00:23] Voice 10: perhaps there's a washroom that needs looking after, perhaps there's a site that coastal

[1:00:29] Voice 10: caretakers have removed the debris and then put it up higher for removal later. So it's an

[1:00:35] Voice 10: opportunity to start having a dialogue to be able to work together. Chair Elliott?

[1:00:46] Voice 10: I

[1:00:46] Voice 11: think I've closed for a little bit. Yes, thank you for that, because I wanted to ask about your

[1:00:51] Voice 11: coastal caretaker program and how that reporting or the site condition reporting works. Is that

[1:00:58] Voice 11: that available on the BCPF website? Do they have to be members to upload that? If you could expand

[1:01:04] Voice 11: a little bit on that would be helpful.

[1:01:06] Voice 10: Absolutely. So with the coastal caretaker program, anyone can

[1:01:11] Voice 10: be a coastal caretaker. They do not need to be a BC Marine Trails member. However, we do appreciate

[1:01:16] Voice 10: if they also are a member. The other piece to being a coastal caretaker, and I don't know if

[1:01:22] Voice 10: you can see what I've pulled up here, the site condition report, anyone who accesses the BC

[1:01:27] Voice 10: Sea Marine Trails public map can also submit a site condition report so this is one from last

[1:01:33] Voice 10: summer where I was on Jedediah Island and we reported sent in some photos of the place and

[1:01:41] Voice 10: then also sent in debris photos of debris that we had collected so that it could be picked up at

[1:01:46] Voice 10: another time and I have to say that we put whatever we could in our kayaks and we also handed off two

[1:01:51] Voice 10: two big garbage bags to a motorboat that was also in home bay so definitely lots of supportive

[1:01:57] Voice 10: collaboration that's possible there and we ran into your friends of Jedediah who were looking

[1:02:03] Voice 10: for a lost dog on the island and that's where it started my thinking about how could we actually

[1:02:08] Voice 10: be working with land trusts more closely as well because you are on site you do see what's

[1:02:15] Voice 10: happening in your local environments and so having reports that would be sent in from different

[1:02:21] Voice 10: different land trusts would be really, really helpful as well. As you can see, we didn't send

[1:02:25] Voice 10: in any reports from this area because we were just too busy paddling up the coast. So we didn't have

[1:02:30] Voice 10: time to spend walking around.

[1:02:33] Voice 11: Just go ahead, trustees, if you have questions, just jump in

[1:02:38] Voice 11: there.

[1:02:39] Voice 4: Yeah, thanks. So I noted you said you mentioned something about the spot where you're

[1:02:46] Voice 4: permitted to pull over now um i mean my understanding is that uh anything below the

[1:02:53] Voice 4: high tide line is is fair game and certainly in in bad winds or whatever that's not really an issue

[1:02:59] Voice 4: but more about camping um we know that for non-commercial groups there's an outright uh

[1:03:07] Voice 4: um peace residents have an outright permitted to camp on on uh what's known as crown lands

[1:03:14] Voice 4: lands um which is why you know the sea egg cove um was was part of that knolls application

[1:03:23] Voice 4: knowing that um at this point there's a lot of um private land along the coast

[1:03:31] Voice 4: um in consideration of uh sort of you know what i'm thinking around is is what recommendations

[1:03:39] Voice 4: recommendations you might be making to your membership about um about where you know where

[1:03:47] Voice 4: to pull over in camp and and how um we can have i think a conversation that needs to be um i think

[1:03:54] Voice 4: we need to have a community conversation on the skidi uh to get a better sense you know a broader

[1:04:00] Voice 4: sense beyond just this this group of of local uh land use elected officials um and also beyond the

[1:04:08] Voice 4: a conservancy i think it's it's it's worthwhile for for uh the community to have a broader

[1:04:14] Voice 4: conversation about what what what and where we think is appropriate so i wouldn't want to make

[1:04:19] Voice 4: any representations uh prior to having those those conversations but um so i'm just assuming

[1:04:27] Voice 4: that when you're looking at spots at this point um for camping in particular that's that's focused

[1:04:34] Voice 4: on those um on those crown paces that's yeah okay yeah

[1:04:41] Voice 1: that's typically the case yeah um there are

[1:04:43] Voice 1: some areas where the beach is extensive enough and well protected enough that you can camp below

[1:04:49] Voice 1: the tide line but our experience is that if if there's privately held up land particularly if

[1:04:56] Voice 1: it's inhabited privately held up land that can lead to contention and we typically don't recommend

[1:05:05] Voice 1: recommend that and we don't we don't recognize those as legitimate sites an exception would be

[1:05:11] Voice 1: Sangster Island which you can see if you can navigate over to there Karina yeah we have

[1:05:16] Voice 1: the big beach on Sangster we've designated as an emergency pullout because the island's privately

[1:05:24] Voice 1: owned no it's not displayed on that map that's interesting that

[1:05:28] Voice 10: may be member map only

[1:05:29] Voice 1: there it

[1:05:31] Voice 1: is so they've

[1:05:32] Voice 10: got just the same so

[1:05:34] Voice 1: the explanation of that is typically privately held up land do not

[1:05:38] Voice 1: go on it don't plan to use this but if you're in a situation where you need to use it in an emergency

[1:05:44] Voice 1: it's reasonably sheltered from most winds but we would seek sites that are

[1:05:50] Voice 1: um ideally already designated as campgrounds or are on public land

[1:05:57] Voice 1: And suitable from a logistics perspective and from where we have consent or consensus from the interest of First Nations.

[1:06:09] Voice 1: Those would be ideal sites.

[1:06:10] Voice 1: And then we've got primary and secondary.

[1:06:12] Voice 1: If it's great when the wind's coming from the north, but terrible when the wind's coming from the south, it's not really a primary site.

[1:06:19] Voice 1: So that goes on the list of secondary.

[1:06:21] Voice 1: But ideally, what we would see when we looked at Laskiti would be those emergency, or sorry, the day use sites as well, ringing the island.

[1:06:30] Voice 1: So that if somebody like Karina was paddling around, they can know in advance where their bailout points are.

[1:06:36] Voice 1: And if they round a point and it's extremely windy, they know they can go back a half a kilometer and hunker down until the wind changes.

[1:06:44] Voice 4: Right. And I just want to sort of make a note for your understanding.

[1:06:51] Voice 4: I know it was mentioned in our referral response, and notwithstanding the outright right of the public to camp for non-commercial reasons on Crownland, a lot of concern among Liskety residents about camping.

[1:07:15] Voice 4: it's we don't have any private land ability to offer camping on any private land through our

[1:07:24] Voice 4: bylaws so there's a I think that there was a little bit of a deficit of understanding broadly

[1:07:29] Voice 4: in the public I didn't really clearly know about the the rights to camp on on Crown very far in

[1:07:36] Voice 4: advance of our consideration but now that we know that's the case it makes a lot of sense that

[1:07:43] Voice 4: that the community should be able to have some conversations

[1:07:47] Voice 4: and help advise to the extent that if you're offering information

[1:07:53] Voice 4: that local residents know where those sites are

[1:08:00] Voice 4: and can help inform what you're advising.

[1:08:03] Voice 4: Now that we know, we can't just say no.

[1:08:07] Voice 4: So that being the case, let's work together.

[1:08:11] Voice 4: So I really appreciate you guys coming today and I anticipate that there'll be some community

[1:08:18] Voice 4: conversations sort of more, when we need to get into some more detail and depth on any

[1:08:25] Voice 4: of these sites, I think we'll have to really reach out to the community and have some good

[1:08:29] Voice 4: conversations there to inform our discussions.

[1:08:33] Voice 1: Yeah, and one of the good tools that's available to the community really, and to everyone concerned,

[1:08:38] Voice 1: concerned, is the different ways to present a site. We can present a site like this as a campsite.

[1:08:44] Voice 1: We can present a site as closed, do not camp here, or we can just make a site disappear.

[1:08:50] Voice 1: And each of those has some value. If there is a site that was extremely sensitive for some reason,

[1:08:57] Voice 1: one of the most effective strategies is to find a site nearby and make the first one disappear.

[1:09:02] Voice 1: disappear. So we just draw traffic away from one and to the other. And that's, I mean, people will

[1:09:08] Voice 1: always explore, but those tools are all available. And the First Nations are making very good use of

[1:09:14] Voice 1: those too. They can, they can tell you not to go somewhere, but that sometimes that, that just

[1:09:19] Voice 1: leads to curiosity.

[1:09:20] Voice 1: So let's, let's just make that disappear and let's tell people, oh, go here.

[1:09:25] Voice 1: Fabulous views, beautiful beach. That's where you want to be.

[1:09:30] Voice 11: Thank you. That's really helpful,

[1:09:31] Voice 11: Robert. I was going to ask if you have the Islands Trust Conservancy on your radar as well. You

[1:09:40] Voice 11: mentioned working with the Liskiti Local Trust Committee and Island Liskiti's Nature Conservancy,

[1:09:47] Voice 11: but the Islands Trust Conservancy holds many nature reserves and lands throughout the trust

[1:09:54] Voice 11: area which is um from well the north down to uh south pender so we do have um some

[1:10:05] Voice 11: some other mapping that that staff might be able to access and and help inform your um your efforts

[1:10:12] Voice 11: to to direct the public away from certain sensitive sites and and towards others so

[1:10:19] Voice 11: So they're not all shoreline, of course, but often we'll have some updated mapping.

[1:10:25] Voice 11: So if that's useful, we can put you in touch with the Conservancy.

[1:10:29] Voice 11: And it might

[1:10:30] Voice 1: be extremely, extremely helpful.

[1:10:32] Voice 11: Yeah, it might be a good time to engage as well.

[1:10:34] Voice 11: They're doing, we, I'm on the board, we have to submit a five-year plan to the ministry.

[1:10:41] Voice 11: And it's a statutory obligation as we are a provincial Conservancy agency.

[1:10:47] Voice 11: And so we're actually engaging with all First Nations in the Trust Area 31 on their interests and, you know, the potential to collaborate on land planning, or sorry, park management or planning or opportunities to regain access.

[1:11:09] Voice 11: access so it's that's very much in the forefront of our of the scope of our work is working with

[1:11:15] Voice 11: First Nations and so as we get that information I think it's yeah it's good to share what we're

[1:11:21] Voice 11: learning so

[1:11:21] Voice 10: that is wonderful because our efforts as well are with 74 coastal First Nations and

[1:11:28] Voice 10: given that we're all volunteers and have now three staff members that's a tall order so it's as much

[1:11:36] Voice 10: as we can collaborate and work together it's very much appreciated and i have to say that i under i

[1:11:41] Voice 10: knew about the um liskedi island nature conservancy uh and i knew about you but i didn't know that

[1:11:48] Voice 10: there was a third organization as well so that's uh important to decipher how how everybody is set

[1:11:55] Voice 10: up yes

[1:11:56] Voice 11: we are a bit of a we're a bit of an unusual local government in that the the conservancy

[1:12:02] Voice 11: is embedded sort of right in our work and so it was created to actually hold land so

[1:12:10] Voice 11: um anyway i won't get into it but conservancy is separate but actually together um and has a much

[1:12:16] Voice 11: broader mandate i would say and

[1:12:22] Voice 10: so part of what we have been doing is working with the bc parks

[1:12:25] Voice 10: foundation so for example we do coastal caretaking on west belinas island and provide them with

[1:12:31] Voice 10: information for their management plans and so some of the questions that we were asking of you were

[1:12:38] Voice 10: around Squiddy Bay and also Yonge Point, Tahini Cove as possible stop sites as well to be added

[1:12:46] Voice 10: to the map. So Squiddy Bay is already there but there's another little there's Tahini Cove down

[1:12:53] Voice 10: here which would be Yonge Point at the end and so some of this has now become BC Parks Foundation

[1:12:59] Voice 10: and with management and there is it the luskete island trust or luskete island

[1:13:05] Voice 10: nature conservancy or i'm not i'm not sure who is partnered with them for that one

[1:13:11] Voice 10: yeah

[1:13:12] Voice 11: i'm not sure um tim do you have any information about that well

[1:13:17] Voice 4: i know that um

[1:13:19] Voice 4: luskete island nature conservancy has done a lot of work um helping to raise awareness and

[1:13:26] Voice 4: And fundraising, I'm not sure which, I know the BC Parks Foundation has acquired some property.

[1:13:37] Voice 4: I'm not sure to what extent they work with Link on which parcels.

[1:13:45] Voice 4: That'd be more of a question for them.

[1:13:49] Voice 10: And I can certainly go back to the BC Parks Foundation.

[1:13:53] Voice 10: but that was definitely one area of interest in tahini cove to be able to add a rest stop there

[1:14:00] Voice 10: would make huge sense because it's if you're coming across from rath trevor or from french

[1:14:05] Voice 10: creek that would be one of your first possible stops as well and then in squiddy bay there's

[1:14:11] Voice 10: of course the public dock and then there's the picnic site around the corner so that is already

[1:14:16] Voice 10: there and i noticed that in your notes you had requests about public use of the squiddy bay

[1:14:21] Voice 10: so i can say that certainly we paddled in and we loved the picnic table at the top and i love to

[1:14:27] Voice 10: take a rest there as well because again we were paddling in windy conditions so it was nice to

[1:14:31] Voice 10: take a break so any any options that we can add for paddlers to be able to stop take a rest it

[1:14:38] Voice 10: just improves the safety on the water for the paddlers afterwards yeah

[1:14:44] Voice 11: thank you um did you

[1:14:46] Voice 11: you have questions about salace salacia cove uh the yes so

[1:14:51] Voice 10: salacia cove on our map is marked

[1:14:55] Voice 10: tall fur cove so i did i wasn't sure where it was but when i was speaking with sheila uh we were

[1:15:02] Voice 10: looking on the map together and she identified that this was the place that the locals called

[1:15:06] Voice 10: salacia bay or salacia cove and so it's again another option um apparently that uh is traditional

[1:15:15] Voice 10: additional First Nations territory so would require approval from the First Nations as well

[1:15:20] Voice 10: before we would be able to put it on on our BC Marine Trails map and that would apply to

[1:15:28] Voice 10: Yonge Point it would apply to any other location because traditionally what happened earlier on

[1:15:34] Voice 10: was that sites were added to the map because they were recreation sites or because they were park

[1:15:39] Voice 10: sites and we cannot say that there was necessarily consultation with the nations at that point

[1:15:45] Voice 10: either. So we have a lot of work to do to go backwards in time and to look at sites that were

[1:15:50] Voice 10: originally approved because they were considered to be public sites, but not necessarily with the

[1:15:56] Voice 10: consent of First Nations. So we're working on that piece as well.

[1:16:01] Voice 11: It's really great to hear

[1:16:02] Voice 11: your approach to the work. Thank you, Karina. I wonder how can the Liskete Island community

[1:16:11] Voice 11: community give you feedback on some of these sites and and have this conversation and sort

[1:16:18] Voice 11: of turning to the local trustees because i don't live on the island but uh they have ideas of of

[1:16:24] Voice 11: how we can work that out perhaps yeah

[1:16:29] Voice 4: thank you for that that's that's where i was gonna go next

[1:16:32] Voice 4: is what kind of next steps make sense um i don't know to the extent which the uh

[1:16:42] Voice 4: Leskete Island Nature Conservancy has time, energy, and capacity to, you know, host public meetings, but there's also the Leskete Community Association would be another potential group to work with.

[1:16:59] Voice 4: with um i think it is important to have you know for the residents and and landowners to have sort

[1:17:10] Voice 4: of uh you know kind of a heads up on on on you know what the rules are um the legal the our legal

[1:17:20] Voice 4: end of it but also sort of what uh what the work that you do and uh the intent behind it and then

[1:17:27] Voice 4: And, of course, everyone loves maps.

[1:17:30] Voice 4: I think if we could put together some kind of a meeting or something at the community hall where we've got some big maps to look at, that's always informative.

[1:17:42] Voice 4: And then the other thing I'm not certain about is capacity for someone for your organization to actually come to an in-person meeting here on Leskete.

[1:17:53] Voice 4: I don't get the sense that um there's

[1:17:57] Voice 10: okay great

[1:17:59] Voice 4: I don't get the sense that it's imperative to do

[1:18:02] Voice 4: this you know post haste but I think um the sooner the better just in the sense of trying

[1:18:07] Voice 4: to build some understanding and then um and then to uh to look towards uh some community

[1:18:14] Voice 4: conversations and especially if we're looking at uh trying to make recommendations um

[1:18:21] Voice 4: um uh to you to your organization about uh are there places we really would prefer you take off

[1:18:29] Voice 4: the map or are there alternatives and that sort of thing um so i would expect that probably not

[1:18:37] Voice 4: going to happen in one in one get together but maybe we could uh outside of this meeting maybe

[1:18:42] Voice 4: we can talk about some options for having sort of an initial broader community discussion

[1:18:48] Voice 4: and then out out of that can um i would think that we could sort of develop next steps to take

[1:18:54] Voice 4: after that but really appreciate you coming and uh and speaking with us today though i think this is

[1:19:01] Voice 4: a good initial step and

[1:19:03] Voice 10: tim i just wanted to add to that one of listening to what you're talking

[1:19:07] Voice 10: about really what we're trying to do is find ways to collaborate together um our whole idea with the

[1:19:13] Voice 10: coastal caretakers program is that we become eyes on the coast and the aim is to give voice to the

[1:19:18] Voice 10: the places that people visit. The reason that it's becoming more and more interesting to BC

[1:19:23] Voice 10: parks and recreation sites and trails is that they are not able to get to all of the locations

[1:19:28] Voice 10: that are actually under their mandate. And so when we say, well, we have these paddlers who

[1:19:33] Voice 10: love to explore every little nook and cranny of the coast. And if they can send information back,

[1:19:38] Voice 10: then you can actually go with more information when you take your boats out to do repairs or

[1:19:42] Voice 10: whatever so it's really adding eyes to the coast rather than damaging the the integrity and and the

[1:19:50] Voice 10: work that we're doing so as you were concerned about how does what does commercial recreation

[1:19:56] Voice 10: look like on the coast so we also have those concerns and we do certainly support outfitters

[1:20:04] Voice 10: taking people out to learn how to be respectful on the coast because that's not a given and we

[1:20:09] Voice 10: certainly want to support that kind of learning at the same time our mandate is to ensure that

[1:20:14] Voice 10: there's spaces for public recreation anywhere along the coast and traditional navigation was

[1:20:20] Voice 10: by water and so it's just continuing those trail routes on the water so anything that we can do to

[1:20:29] Voice 10: work together would be wonderful yeah

[1:20:33] Voice 11: thank you for that so i wonder um you do have the contact

[1:20:36] Voice 11: for the Leskeetee Nature Conservancy.

[1:20:40] Voice 11: Yes, I do.

[1:20:40] Voice 11: And they were

[1:20:42] Voice 10: actually copied in the letter

[1:20:44] Voice 10: that we had sent you originally.

[1:20:46] Voice 11: Right.

[1:20:48] Voice 11: So, yeah, I think it would be a good idea

[1:20:51] Voice 11: to sort of put out a map

[1:20:53] Voice 11: and then maybe invite a community meeting

[1:20:57] Voice 11: to sort of discuss potential sites

[1:21:01] Voice 11: or sort of all the different types of sites

[1:21:05] Voice 11: And what you've shared with us today was very useful.

[1:21:09] Voice 11: I'm not sure what else the local trust committee can support with.

[1:21:13] Voice 11: We sort of convey information that comes to us,

[1:21:18] Voice 11: but really we can only make decisions on matters that are relevant to the

[1:21:23] Voice 11: local trust committee. This is a little bit outside of it. Yes.

[1:21:27] Voice 11: Trustee Laroni, you had a question there or comment.

[1:21:32] Voice 10: You're on mute.

[1:21:41] Voice 11: Kyla, are you, did you have your hand up?

[1:21:45] Voice 11: Oh,

[1:21:45] Voice 12: yeah, I did.

[1:21:47] Voice 12: Okay.

[1:21:49] Voice 12: I just wanted to echo Trustee Peterson and also thank you for coming and sharing this

[1:21:55] Voice 12: all with us.

[1:21:55] Voice 12: I was part of the Ocean Legacy Beach Cleanup, and it's fantastic to hear that people are

[1:22:01] Voice 12: still trying to steward the areas they visit.

[1:22:07] Voice 12: Yeah, that's just definitely a better way of saying it.

[1:22:11] Voice 12: Okay.

[1:22:12] Voice 12: Thank you.

[1:22:14] Voice 11: go ahead there Tim yeah

[1:22:17] Voice 4: I was just going to say um I think that uh yeah it'd be good to have those

[1:22:23] Voice 4: community conversations and I appreciate um uh your willingness to to come and engage with us

[1:22:29] Voice 4: and I'll be following that that up with you um in terms of this committee I think the chair is

[1:22:34] Voice 4: the chair is right we're um in many ways the the community consultation about what you do in your

[1:22:43] Voice 4: mapping is not directly the local trust committee's work, but where I do think, where I see a synergy

[1:22:50] Voice 4: is when it comes to commercial applications, such as the one that came in the fall,

[1:22:58] Voice 4: to be able to have, you know, just a working relationship between us as the referee, I guess,

[1:23:08] Voice 4: us in this case, where we're getting those official referrals to be able to have those

[1:23:13] Voice 4: conversations with you in advance of responding to that type of referral. I think that's sort of

[1:23:20] Voice 4: an advocacy role that we're, I think we, it would be nice if we could sort of be planning to work

[1:23:27] Voice 4: together when that type of application comes, at least to understand where, you know, for us as

[1:23:33] Voice 4: as the folks formulating the referral response,

[1:23:37] Voice 4: sort of getting your perspective,

[1:23:39] Voice 4: I think would be really helpful.

[1:23:40] Voice 4: So again, really appreciate you coming here.

[1:23:43] Voice 4: I do have your email address

[1:23:44] Voice 4: and I'm going to put you on my to-do list

[1:23:49] Voice 4: as far as trying to organize a meeting on Laskini.

[1:23:52] Voice 10: Wonderful.

[1:23:53] Voice 10: Thank you very much for your time.

[1:23:56] Voice 1: Yeah, and just in terms of timing,

[1:23:58] Voice 1: it was the NOLS application

[1:24:00] Voice 1: that really brought this whole matter to the forefront.

[1:24:03] Voice 1: But BC Marine Trails has no particular agenda or project or focus on the area at this time.

[1:24:11] Voice 1: Nothing, you know, beyond focusing on the entire coast.

[1:24:14] Voice 1: There's nothing in particular that we're trying to accomplish.

[1:24:17] Voice 1: And we do need to recognize it's such a fantastic area, but it doesn't see a lot of traffic compared to many of the other.

[1:24:26] Voice 1: It's like Desolation Sound or Howe Sound Marine Trail.

[1:24:29] Voice 1: This is a pretty remote local wilderness.

[1:24:32] Voice 1: and the, as far as we know, the sites that we've documented are not particularly heavily used

[1:24:40] Voice 1: or over-trafficked or threatened. But in terms of getting a hold of us, if there is a concern

[1:24:45] Voice 1: about a specific place, um, uh, file a site condition report, and that goes straight to the

[1:24:52] Voice 1: top that will be on the agenda of the, uh, the trail development committee, uh, forthwith.

[1:24:57] Voice 1: If there's a, uh, a concern about one of the sites that's on the map, that's a great way to

[1:25:01] Voice 1: They got ahold of us.

[1:25:02] Voice 1: Otherwise, president at Marine Trails, also a chair at Marine Trails,

[1:25:06] Voice 1: also goes straight to the top.

[1:25:11] Voice 10: Yeah, that comes to me.

[1:25:12] Voice 10: I call myself a chair, but it's still president in email.

[1:25:16] Voice 10: Yeah, all right.

[1:25:17] Voice 10: Kay Young works as well at BC Marine Trails, so that's easy.

[1:25:22] Voice 11: Well, thank you all for your work and your work on behalf of the province

[1:25:27] Voice 11: and people who want to travel the seas

[1:25:32] Voice 11: and visit these spectacular places.

[1:25:36] Voice 11: Thank you for doing your work in a good way

[1:25:38] Voice 11: and respecting both residents

[1:25:40] Voice 11: and First Nations rights and interests

[1:25:44] Voice 11: in these territories.

[1:25:47] Voice 1: You're most welcome.

[1:25:48] Voice 11: Yes.

[1:25:49] Voice 11: Thank you

[1:25:49] Voice 10: for sharing your agenda as well

[1:25:52] Voice 10: because I had a chance to glance at your policy

[1:25:54] Voice 10: and it's very, very interesting.

[1:25:56] Voice 10: So I heard lots of negative comments, but you were also approaching things in a good way and in a wonderful direction. Thank you.

[1:26:03] Voice 10: And

[1:26:03] Voice 11: you'd be welcome to submit comments. We've had letters from yacht clubs and boaters. And so anyone whose interests in the trust area are affected, we are a local government that is constructed for the purpose of protecting and preserving the trust area, the environment, and the unique amenities for the province of BC.

[1:26:25] Voice 11: see so um everyone who who has an interest in seeing um the trust area looked after can can

[1:26:33] Voice 11: comment on the policy statement it is still in a draft stage as i stated it's the public engagement

[1:26:40] Voice 11: period is closed but we're still taking um letters and submissions and so not sure if it'll close by

[1:26:47] Voice 11: by the end of this year we shall see good

[1:26:52] Voice 10: luck with that thank you so much congratulations on

[1:26:55] Voice 10: the work you're doing all right thanks

[1:26:57] Voice 11: again for coming

[1:26:58] Voice 10: all right we'll bow out now take care

[1:27:01] Voice 11: everyone bye-bye

[1:27:02] Voice 11: okay uh so thank you for the the conversation i don't think we can direct any work

[1:27:10] Voice 11: at this time because it isn't really a business matter for the local trust committee um but i

[1:27:16] Voice 11: I take it local trustees, you'll take this information and back to your communities and

[1:27:22] Voice 11: follow up. Could I suggest we do our break now? Trustee Peterson, go ahead.

[1:27:29] Voice 4: Yeah, just a question for staff consideration, I guess. When we do

[1:27:37] Voice 4: it when we do um uh referrals um that might interest a group um like bc marine trails

[1:27:50] Voice 4: i know we're not obligated to to um reach out to them for comment but we could voluntarily choose

[1:27:57] Voice 4: to if the local trust committee decided to to send a referral out to someone like bc marine trails

[1:28:02] Voice 4: yes

[1:28:05] Voice 2: yes you can much in the same

[1:28:07] Voice 2: way that you prefer a bylaw for to a community group for

[1:28:10] Voice 2: example or something yeah

[1:28:13] Voice 4: okay so i'm just thinking in terms of you know maybe having

[1:28:17] Voice 4: them on our list for consideration obviously um most of the land use decisions being landlocked

[1:28:23] Voice 4: wouldn't uh might not be of interest to them at all but uh just just as consideration so thanks

[1:28:29] Voice 4: for that all

[1:28:33] Voice 11: right um i see staff yeoman jason yeoman has joined us but i think we're going to

[1:28:40] Voice 11: go on our um lunch break now is everybody good or do we want to push through on the agenda

[1:28:49] Voice 11: thumbs up for lunch break no yep thumbs up okay um hi jason i think we'll come back in 30 minutes

[1:29:01] Voice 11: and continue on we are uh i think yeah we've got correspondents to deal with and then

[1:29:13] Voice 11: oh sorry no

[1:29:14] Voice 4: if i may go ahead

[1:29:15] Voice 4: i'm just wondering if uh i saw mr yeoman's hand up i wondered if he

[1:29:20] Voice 4: had any timing issues before we great

[1:29:24] Voice 11: question yeah thank

[1:29:27] Voice 6: you chair um i don't know i don't

[1:29:29] Voice 6: think my attendance is is critical to your discussion anyway but i do have a commitment

[1:29:34] Voice 6: at two o'clock that i have to attend a meeting with an indigenous governing body that i just

[1:29:38] Voice 6: want to make sure i'm i'm present for that okay

[1:29:43] Voice 4: so if we take did you say a half hour chair and

[1:29:45] Voice 4: then we would be back at

[1:29:47] Voice 11: just

[1:29:48] Voice 4: shortly before two we

[1:29:51] Voice 11: could take 15 minutes now if we've got

[1:29:53] Voice 11: Got any questions for Jason and then take our break.

[1:30:00] Voice 14: okay what

[1:30:01] Voice 11: do you think yeah okay well let's carry on sorry i've got my video off my bandwidth has

[1:30:11] Voice 11: been uh fluctuating so 9.1 we have our referral uh proposed trust council by the law number 183

[1:30:21] Voice 11: uh the policy statement uh we've seen this in our agenda at least once before had a community

[1:30:29] Voice 11: community information meeting in December and continue to have some feedback, although I will

[1:30:36] Voice 11: note that I think there were only two pieces of correspondence from the Liskety local trust area

[1:30:42] Voice 11: in the folder that I could find. But I'll turn to you, trustees. What are you hearing in the

[1:30:50] Voice 11: community? Do we have any questions for Senior Policy Advisor Yeomans to help inform our referral

[1:30:58] Voice 11: response i've

[1:31:02] Voice 4: got a couple of things um and uh it was mentioned earlier in the town hall around the

[1:31:11] Voice 4: the portion that says uh as trust um may create policy in this policy statement that are specific

[1:31:21] Voice 4: to some but not all islands i did talk about that with um mr yeomans before but i don't know if you

[1:31:29] Voice 4: we want to give us a, you know, the two second elevator pitch on your perspective on that,

[1:31:35] Voice 4: especially, I know at this late date, I think it would be extremely challenging to start

[1:31:45] Voice 4: exempting specific islands or opting only into certain policies. So, but maybe you could give

[1:31:51] Voice 4: us a quick moment on that.

[1:31:54] Voice 6: Sure. Thank you, Trustee Peterson. Yeah, I don't, I don't have

[1:31:58] Voice 6: have a perspective on it per se, other than what you alluded to, which is that we are several,

[1:32:05] Voice 6: if not many years into this process and have a draft policy statement that has been given

[1:32:13] Voice 6: considerable consideration now by Trust Council. And while it is not set in stone, I think at this

[1:32:21] Voice 6: At this point, it would be challenging to, you know, this would have been, I think, a valuable conversation to have had nearer the outset of the project, and perhaps it was had. I wasn't around for that necessarily, about whether it would be useful to organize the policy statement in, you know, by local trust area or something like that, just as a potential opportunity.

[1:32:44] Voice 6: But as you have alluded to, I think we would be quite challenged now if we started adding notwithstanding clauses to various policies, because I think we would have to contend with perhaps each local trust committee then wanting to identify the policies that it doesn't think should apply to its island.

[1:33:06] Voice 6: And that will be quite challenging to manage, I think, and even quite challenging to incorporate into the document in a legible way. We do want to make sure that the document is for, I know, I've heard concern already expressed that it's already seems a little inaccessible to people. And I think if we begin to add a bunch of island notwithstanding clauses, then that may make it even more inaccessible. But I'll just leave it there. Thanks.

[1:33:35] Voice 6: yeah

[1:33:36] Voice 4: thank you for that you you said it better than it than i could have so and then um yeah

[1:33:43] Voice 4: and my understanding is that that that provision has never been used in the past um that all

[1:33:50] Voice 4: previous policy statements have applied to all of the local trust areas um i had another piece

[1:34:01] Voice 11: there was some conversation in our last meeting about may versus must and i think it's noted in

[1:34:06] Voice 11: our meeting minutes um some are calling for stronger language that all local trust committee

[1:34:16] Voice 11: bylaws must uh and then following policies i don't know if that was raised by the liskiti

[1:34:23] Voice 11: local trust committee i don't think so i

[1:34:28] Voice 4: don't think so but i did have one um another thing that

[1:34:31] Voice 4: uh um that's come up a couple of times in relation to the guiding principles

[1:34:42] Voice 4: and i'm not sure if this what i'm reading is uh had come from you or or um someone else but

[1:34:52] Voice 4: But the extent to which a local trust committee is committed to applying the guiding principles cannot be measured.

[1:34:59] Voice 4: It's Trust Council's expectation that local trust committees will align with the principles, but that they are not legislatively bound to do so.

[1:35:08] Voice 4: And planners provide advice to local trust committees through a checklist of whether directive policies are being met.

[1:35:14] Voice 4: Can you just give us a quick word or two on that?

[1:35:19] Voice 4: Those words

[1:35:20] Voice 6: you just read sound familiar. It does sound like me.

[1:35:24] Voice 6: I can't remember now the context in which.

[1:35:26] Voice 4: So, yeah, I mean, I think I

[1:35:27] Voice 4: think the context in which I'm asking you to expand on that a little bit is we've heard this committee has heard some concern about specifically about some of the guiding principles.

[1:35:40] Voice 4: principles and um sort of your perspective on whether those are you know how directive are

[1:35:50] Voice 4: those are to are are those to local trust committees how how will local trust committees

[1:35:55] Voice 4: have to um respond specifically around guiding the guiding principles as opposed to the policies

[1:36:01] Voice 4: themselves in

[1:36:05] Voice 6: the current um decision making context of of the islands trust particularly

[1:36:12] Voice 6: the relationship of a local trust committee to executive committee or trust council,

[1:36:19] Voice 6: local trust committees are expected to meet the directive policies that are in the policy

[1:36:24] Voice 6: statement. And that is all. So the current policy statement that's in force has a corresponding

[1:36:31] Voice 6: document, which we call the directives only checklist. And so when a local trust committee

[1:36:35] Voice 6: develops a bylaw, staff provide this checklist to the local trust committee, and it contains all of

[1:36:40] Voice 6: the directive policies that are in the policy statement and staff will do their best to

[1:36:45] Voice 6: adjudicate whether they think that a local trust committee bylaw is consistent with each of those

[1:36:50] Voice 6: directives but ultimately it's going to be up to the local trust committee at that level to decide

[1:36:54] Voice 6: whether they think it is it then gets forwarded whatever that final version of the checklist that

[1:36:59] Voice 6: the local trust committee determines is is complete goes on to executive committee for

[1:37:05] Voice 6: executive committee of the Islands Trust to make that same assessment. So within the current policy

[1:37:13] Voice 6: statement, the one that's in force, there are a bunch of things that look a lot like these

[1:37:18] Voice 6: principles. There are what are called the commitments of trust counsel. And in some ways,

[1:37:23] Voice 6: they reflect some of what's captured here in the guiding principles. But when it comes to

[1:37:27] Voice 6: executive committee reviewing a local trust committee's bylaw for consistency with a policy

[1:37:32] Voice 6: statement, they're not looking at those commitments of Trust Council. They are only looking at the directive policies that local trust committees have been directed to ensure are met in their own policy and regulatory bylaw development.

[1:37:45] Voice 6: element. So currently, as exists today and as is anticipated to exist tomorrow if this new policy

[1:37:56] Voice 6: statement is adopted, the guiding principles are not something that executive committee is expected

[1:38:03] Voice 6: to use to adjudicate whether a local bylaw is consistent with the policy statement. They are

[1:38:09] Voice 6: not going to ask whether a local trust committee has sufficiently accounted for cumulative effects

[1:38:14] Voice 6: effects in its consideration of a bylaw. It should be on everybody's mind. It should be on the local

[1:38:21] Voice 6: trust committee's mind. They should be thinking about cumulative effects. Trust counsel should

[1:38:26] Voice 6: be thinking about cumulative effects. But for the time being, at least, unless otherwise directed,

[1:38:33] Voice 6: there is not a mechanism that is being proposed by which somebody is going to measure whether

[1:38:38] Voice 6: those cumulative effects have been appropriately considered by any of the decision-making bodies.

[1:38:43] Voice 6: thanks

[1:38:47] Voice 11: for that did you have a follow-up uh trustee peterson yeah

[1:38:50] Voice 4: just to expand uh on one

[1:38:52] Voice 4: piece of of what you said there um so process wise uh local trust committee has a as a bylaw

[1:39:01] Voice 4: um staff will bring the directives checklist um as you say filled out to to their

[1:39:09] Voice 4: best understanding however local trust committees i have seen this happen can direct that uh staff

[1:39:19] Voice 4: to fill out the checklist differently than initially right can i you've seen that too

[1:39:24] Voice 4: right absolutely so i'm just i'm just trying to sort of lay out the the ways in which a local

[1:39:31] Voice 4: trust committee has some flexibility within the process so that's one of them the checklist itself

[1:39:37] Voice 4: self um and then uh should uh should executive committee decline to approve a local trust

[1:39:49] Voice 4: committee um bylaw they can go back to the local trust committee and ask for some clarification

[1:39:56] Voice 4: around um how the local trust committee feels they can they they meet the guidelines and then

[1:40:04] Voice 4: Then, again, should executive committee still not feel that that's quite right, then the local trust committee can appeal directly to trust council.

[1:40:17] Voice 4: And then it would be trust council that would have the final say on whether local trust committee bylaw should be approved and sent to the minister. Is that correct?

[1:40:30] Voice 4: That

[1:40:32] Voice 6: is correct. I'll just mention briefly as well, we've heard a desire expressed from some trustees during this process to see the format of what up to now has been called the directives only checklist changed a little bit to provide more of an option or an opportunity for a local trust committee to make a case or to executive committee about why it thinks, you know, a given policy meets a certain criteria.

[1:41:02] Voice 6: or a given regulation meets a certain directive if there is some um debate about about whether

[1:41:08] Voice 6: and why it might so um there's a an appetite i think for a more a more narrative type checklist

[1:41:16] Voice 6: rather than just checking a box but an opportunity to actually explain a rationale yeah

[1:41:21] Voice 4: and and thank

[1:41:22] Voice 4: you for that and and i what i really wanted to do was just um you know with your with your help and

[1:41:28] Voice 4: guidance is just to lay out that a directive policy appearing in the policy statement does

[1:41:38] Voice 4: not necessarily circumvent a use that a local trust committee, you know, feels is appropriate

[1:41:49] Voice 4: within the context of a bylaw. So that's where I was trying to get some narrative there just so

[1:41:56] Voice 4: So that there's, you know, a bit better understanding of how the policy statement, directive policies work in practice and in process.

[1:42:04] Voice 4: So appreciate that.

[1:42:05] Voice 6: Yeah, maybe it's for the benefit of whoever might have had this question or concern like it.

[1:42:12] Voice 6: At the end of the day, the approval of a bylaw is a political decision, not a technical one.

[1:42:19] Voice 6: And so some of what you've described there, Trustee Peterson, is the ability to make a political decision as an elected official who's representing their constituents and the object of the trust.

[1:42:31] Voice 6: So,

[1:42:37] Voice 11: thanks for that. I have two questions. One, just jumping off of what Trustee Peterson brought up, and sort of that opportunity for a narrative response.

[1:42:46] Voice 11: response, if the Liskiti Local Trust Committee chose to make a recommendation that there should

[1:42:53] Voice 11: be opportunity to provide a context statement in the development of the bylaw to sort of defend

[1:43:01] Voice 11: its decision as to why certain proposed bylaw meets or does not, well, should meet the policy

[1:43:11] Voice 11: statement, would that be a recommendation the LTC could make? And then I have another question

[1:43:16] Voice 11: about docs yeah

[1:43:18] Voice 6: the ltc can certainly make that recommendation by all means um maybe it would be

[1:43:25] Voice 6: helpful chair just to to note that a context statement is something that

[1:43:29] Voice 6: um one finds in a in a regional growth strategy um so any regional districts that have a regional

[1:43:36] Voice 6: growth strategy it's required that the member municipalities submit a context statement

[1:43:41] Voice 6: statement to the regional district explaining how their official community plan aligns or is

[1:43:47] Voice 6: consistent with the regional growth strategy so it is that opportunity for them to make that case

[1:43:53] Voice 6: whether it be in the form of sometimes you see it as tables sometimes you see it as a long essay

[1:43:57] Voice 6: but basically here is why here is why a local um a local ocp is consistent with the greater policy

[1:44:03] Voice 6: statement um yeah there's maybe some mechanics that we would have to work out as an organization

[1:44:11] Voice 6: if if we were to go down that path but as a recommendation from the local trust committee

[1:44:14] Voice 6: that is certainly a recommendation that your local trust committee can make sure

[1:44:18] Voice 11: and just before i

[1:44:20] Voice 11: go to trustee peterson um so we had a question about docs i think there's um some concern or

[1:44:27] Voice 11: anxiety uh on the skidi which um is well we're we're having an active conversation about docs

[1:44:36] Voice 11: in the context of our uh it's ocp and designating certain areas where a doc could be permitted so

[1:44:44] Voice 11: we've got proposed policy 3429 which is access to community marinas boat launches and docs under

[1:44:52] Voice 11: to recreation policies um but i think the more relevant one is three five two five marine docs

[1:45:01] Voice 11: so does this proposed policy limit the local trust committee from i mean it does say limit

[1:45:12] Voice 11: or prohibit new docs in areas identified as culturally significant by indigenous governing

[1:45:17] Voice 11: bodies. How would that work in terms of identifying this is an area that First Nation

[1:45:27] Voice 11: has said is culturally significant, we should not have docks there. But if the community is saying

[1:45:32] Voice 11: that would be a great place to put a dock, how would this policy work? If you could flesh that

[1:45:40] Voice 11: out a little bit um how much does it restrict the the um local trust area from designating a certain

[1:45:50] Voice 11: area for a doc thank

[1:45:53] Voice 6: you chair um i think that that is where you will find it coming back to

[1:46:04] Voice 6: at the end of the day it being a political decision about whether bylaws are are consistent

[1:46:11] Voice 6: with the policy statement. So the way this policy is worded would suggest to me that if a bylaw

[1:46:20] Voice 6: were to come forward from Liskiti's local trust committee and on it, it identified an area where

[1:46:28] Voice 6: docs might be allowed, I think executive committee would look to Liskiti local trust committee and

[1:46:34] Voice 6: say, okay, well, can you, first of all, do you have mapping that indicates where there are

[1:46:40] Voice 6: culturally significant areas to indigenous people or where there is critical habit for species at

[1:46:45] Voice 6: risk or where your areas of marine recreational significance are so do you have that mapping

[1:46:51] Voice 6: where does your proposed dock area sit in relationship to that mapping and if the two

[1:46:57] Voice 6: happen to overlap like if you know the area where you are looking to permit docks overlaps with an

[1:47:02] Voice 6: area identified as being significant for indigenous people or indigenous governing bodies

[1:47:09] Voice 6: bodies, you know, you're going to have to reconcile why that is appropriate, right?

[1:47:17] Voice 6: You are going to have to explain, presumably to executive committee or ultimately to trust

[1:47:20] Voice 6: council, why what you are doing appears to contradict or be inconsistent with this directive

[1:47:30] Voice 6: in the policy statement.

[1:47:31] Voice 6: Now, it might be something like, well, the local trust committee has reached out to the

[1:47:37] Voice 6: Indigenous governing bodies that have an interest in this area, and we've had this conversation

[1:47:40] Voice 6: with them. And together, we all recognize that there needs to be an area for a dock or docks

[1:47:46] Voice 6: on the island. And so they've decided that this policy is okay with them. Or conversely,

[1:47:52] Voice 6: Liskety Local Trust Committee may need to make a pitch to Executive Committee that this is

[1:47:57] Voice 6: due to the wind action, the wave action, the storm action in the wintertime. This is literally

[1:48:02] Voice 6: the only place where a dock is appropriate on the island. And we need that dock for emergency

[1:48:08] Voice 6: emergency access, and egress from the island. I know that was a bit of a word salad, but at the

[1:48:16] Voice 6: end of the day, it's going to be executive committee that's going to make the determination

[1:48:20] Voice 6: about whether a bylaw is consistent with the policy statement based on all of the available

[1:48:25] Voice 6: information that they can gather when making that decision.

[1:48:31] Voice 11: Thank you. Trustee Peterson?

[1:48:34] Voice 4: Yeah, so in terms of the concept around a context statement, that would, it seems to be that likely be part of implementation. I mean, we're not going to see that in advance of continuing to work on the policy itself, correct?

[1:48:57] Voice 6: No. Well, like the implementation conversation will be beginning shortly, I think, I hope, at the Trust Council table. And it and the further refinement of the policy statement bylaw itself are going to be moving forward together and presumably talk to each other a little bit.

[1:49:19] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:49:20] Voice 4: Okay. So, and then on the specific policy that Chair Elliott brought up, because the language says limit or prohibit, prohibit's pretty clear, but to my mind, there's a lot of approaches that could be called limiting that are not prohibiting.

[1:49:46] Voice 4: um you know just as uh off the cuff uh if you say there's uh no more than one dock per

[1:49:56] Voice 4: 10 kilometers that's a limit if you say there's no more than one dock per

[1:50:00] Voice 4: fee simple parcel that's a limit there's a number of different ways to approach limitation

[1:50:05] Voice 4: and then the other uh piece of around the whole the whole notion around the context statement is

[1:50:11] Voice 4: But for the inland portions of Laskete Island and the Laskete Local Trust area, when I look at the policy statement,

[1:50:26] Voice 4: I think a lot, there's a case to be made that a lot of those policies are met on Laskete simply by virtue of our subdivision limits,

[1:50:38] Voice 4: which are quite large and robust compared to, as far as I know, there's no other island in the

[1:50:47] Voice 4: trust area that has something like a 10-acre minimum lot size at subdivisions. I mean, I think

[1:50:53] Voice 4: when we talk about a contact statement being able to accompany a local trust committee bylaw,

[1:51:00] Voice 4: that's just one of the examples I've used in the past. I mean, when we look at environmental

[1:51:05] Voice 4: protection just the fact that we have such a large minimum lot size is is environmentally

[1:51:12] Voice 4: protective in a number of different ways so just that was more of a comment than a question

[1:51:17] Voice 4: i

[1:51:26] Voice 11: have another question before you go um the definition of colonialism um you know has given

[1:51:34] Voice 11: and rise to a few community members to say they feel offended um that it's racially motivated

[1:51:44] Voice 11: um could you speak a little bit about um where that particular definition comes from i see it's

[1:51:53] Voice 11: from the human rights commission um has there been any conversation about why this definition

[1:52:02] Voice 11: definition or choosing another one and and if you can you don't have to comment on this because I

[1:52:08] Voice 11: know it wasn't it was predates your work anyways yeah

[1:52:13] Voice 6: unfortunately chair I think I will plead

[1:52:16] Voice 6: and say it's not ignorance necessarily but but this definition was included in the draft of

[1:52:21] Voice 6: the bylaw that I inherited when I first took on this position so can't really speak to it other

[1:52:28] Voice 6: than to say that you and I have attended similar meetings where folks have brought up this

[1:52:34] Voice 6: definition as being a source of concern for them. Whether or not Trust Council chooses to take

[1:52:45] Voice 6: any action based on the comments received from the public is up to Trust Council. And so

[1:52:50] Voice 6: if they would like staff to sort of go away and come back with a different definition of

[1:52:58] Voice 6: colonialism that's certainly something we can do

[1:53:03] Voice 11: indeed okay do we have any more questions or

[1:53:08] Voice 11: areas for clarification trustee peterson yes

[1:53:16] Voice 4: i had um i've been thinking about this quite a bit

[1:53:21] Voice 4: and i think that the um i've sort of been trying to take note of what is uh you know specific

[1:53:33] Voice 4: either terminology or wording that seems to activate certain members of the community

[1:53:42] Voice 4: in a negative fashion to the draft.

[1:53:48] Voice 4: Chair Elliott just identified one of them.

[1:53:53] Voice 4: Another one I've seen a lot is the notion of floor area.

[1:53:58] Voice 4: That's on my short list of consideration.

[1:54:04] Voice 4: And then I think someone in the town hall mentioned today Advisory Policy 3.1.3, which is entitled Land Back.

[1:54:18] Voice 4: i'm not sure how uh being that as an advisory policy and not a directive policy but i think

[1:54:26] Voice 4: that it behooves us to really make it explicit that the intent is to encourage supportive

[1:54:32] Voice 4: opportunities to redirect land back to indigenous governing bodies there's not we're not looking at

[1:54:37] Voice 4: a requirement to do so but just that that language is perhaps a little bit easier understood

[1:54:44] Voice 4: understood. And I haven't landed on, you know, what I think might be the language to propose

[1:54:51] Voice 4: yet. I think that's open for discussion. But my intent is really about clarifying the intent of

[1:55:00] Voice 4: trust counsel in a way that makes it easy to understand, especially as there seems to be

[1:55:09] Voice 4: some contention about certain parts of the policy statement. So that was one. And then I guess my

[1:55:19] Voice 4: final thing is really, really focuses on trust council amendment of policy statement amendment

[1:55:28] Voice 4: policy 1.2.1, which anyone who's heard me talk about the policy statement will have heard me

[1:55:34] Voice 4: heard me talk about um so i'm strongly in favor of uh adding a recommendation to trust council

[1:55:44] Voice 4: about updating that policy so that um really my intent is to give some uh surety to members of

[1:55:55] Voice 4: the community who who feel that you know they have a real they have real concern about the wording of

[1:56:02] Voice 4: one or another policy that this document isn't intended to be carved in stone and never looked

[1:56:10] Voice 4: at again for a generation or more. So again, not a question, just sort of where I'm leaning in

[1:56:18] Voice 4: terms of referral response.

[1:56:28] Voice 11: Yeah, we can discuss that. I have a suggestion from the Thetis Local

[1:56:34] Voice 11: trust committee which um um sort of included our referral response or request that this be

[1:56:44] Voice 11: regularly updated in a schedule of i think continual improvements might have been language

[1:56:49] Voice 11: i i have the language

[1:56:51] Voice 4: written down and i've adapted it to my to my own personal bent but i

[1:56:56] Voice 4: appreciate you bringing that up i i demanded

[1:56:59] Voice 11: as much information as possible just for a few more

[1:57:04] Voice 11: minutes go ahead oh

[1:57:05] Voice 6: i just wanted to um check with trustee peterson and see whether he was aware

[1:57:09] Voice 6: of the tpc agenda on february 11th has some draft amendments to policy 1.2.1 that i think may help

[1:57:22] Voice 6: um address some of the concerns that you've raised here and actually are in direct response i think

[1:57:26] Voice 6: to the issues that you've previously raised so take that agenda package see if it's on the right

[1:57:31] Voice 6: track and okay

[1:57:32] Voice 4: i'm i do sit on that committee and i'll be looking for that piece thank you

[1:57:37] Voice 4: well

[1:57:40] Voice 11: that's great we've um taken up a half an hour of your time and i think we're going to

[1:57:46] Voice 11: need to take lunch now and let you go jason if there's no further questions thank you so much

[1:57:52] Voice 11: for your work on this and all your advice i know you're fielding a lot of questions from

[1:57:56] Voice 11: community members members of the public um but we so appreciate your wise and thorough

[1:58:06] Voice 11: responses to all our questions suddenly

[1:58:09] Voice 6: everybody is very interested in the policy statement

[1:58:11] Voice 6: it

[1:58:13] Voice 11: would seem so so we'll let you go and we'll

[1:58:17] Voice 14: thank you chair

[1:58:17] Voice 11: thanks everyone we'll see you

[1:58:20] Voice 11: you back at 2.15 and I do hope we can wrap our meeting by three. So let's take a half an hour

[1:58:30] Voice 11: break and then come back and consider a response to the policy statement referral bylaw 183. Thank you.

[2:27:48] Voice 3: trustee laurani are you there all right hello everyone welcome

[2:28:49] Voice 11: back thank you and welcome back

[2:28:54] Voice 11: from our uh break now we are still in the middle of considering that 79.1 so trustee peterson thank

[2:29:08] Voice 11: you for sending around some notes about um your ideas for a recommendation and why don't we start

[2:29:18] Voice 11: start there if you want to go through those one by one we can discuss sure

[2:29:25] Voice 4: thank you chair

[2:29:25] Voice 4: um wanted to mention that uh I appreciated the opportunity to have um senior policy advisor

[2:29:35] Voice 4: yeomans with us in particular the clarification around um the guiding principles and the um

[2:29:45] Voice 4: um obligations of local trust committees to follow them um and our other discussion about

[2:29:54] Voice 4: specific policies um to me in a

[2:30:00] Voice 4: said before, and I'm likely to say again until it happens, the issue around the policy statement

[2:30:09] Voice 4: amendment policy. My interest, long-term interest over the last while has been to

[2:30:21] Voice 4: amend that policy to ensure that a review is conducted each term, a regular review process

[2:30:28] Voice 4: is defined and the initiation of a policy statement amendment topic review

[2:30:33] Voice 4: inventory. There's a couple of ways I think that the policy statement

[2:30:41] Voice 4: amendment policy could be strengthened. Mr. Yeoman's indicated, I'd forgotten, but

[2:30:51] Voice 4: it will be under review by Trust Programs Committee on Wednesday and so

[2:30:57] Voice 4: So I'll also be bringing these suggestions to that committee.

[2:31:04] Voice 4: Yeah, I think I also mentioned around the advisory policy 3.1.3 land back to make it explicit that the intent is to encourage supportive opportunities to direct land due to discovering bodies.

[2:31:18] Voice 4: It's not to require the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee, I think, is a good example of where how that can work in practice.

[2:31:28] Voice 4: I'll note that Luskete land use bylaws currently don't have any provisions around providing amenities as conditions of subdivision or rezonings, as is the case on some other islands.

[2:31:50] Voice 4: so um in a lot of ways this is currently not uh an issue that would directly uh affect the

[2:32:01] Voice 4: uh local trust committee's bylaws because we don't we simply don't have those provisions but

[2:32:07] Voice 4: where uh bylaw stipulates um that land could be provided as an amenity in order

[2:32:16] Voice 4: to proceed with a rezoning there is sometimes land in the equation and so this policy is intended in

[2:32:29] Voice 4: those cases to really consider those those opportunities to direct that land to indigenous

[2:32:38] Voice 4: governing bodies it's extremely different than requiring individuals to give up their land which

[2:32:46] Voice 4: which of course is well beyond the jurisdiction of local governments to do in the first place.

[2:32:51] Voice 4: But I'd just like to see that Trust Council spend a little bit of thought

[2:32:56] Voice 4: on trying to make the language a bit more explicit and explanatory

[2:33:01] Voice 4: so that it's clear enough and isn't a source of anxiety.

[2:33:09] Voice 4: And then finally, the last piece was around the words floor area

[2:33:13] Voice 4: um and directive policy 3.4.14 um it's really kind of an urban term it's raised a lot of hackles

[2:33:24] Voice 4: i don't think it's necessary and uh i'd like to recommend that that terminology be removed

[2:33:32] Voice 4: hey

[2:33:40] Voice 3: put

[2:33:44] Voice 11: every all the potential recommendations on the table or on the floor however you want

[2:33:51] Voice 11: to put it and then we can take them one by one to discuss uh trustee the roni do you have any

[2:33:58] Voice 11: uh recommendations or suggestions uh to add for discussion i

[2:34:07] Voice 12: agree with tim that there are some

[2:34:09] Voice 12: parts in there that are not just everyone who's talking about there are some um vague some vague

[2:34:14] Voice 12: language so i do like the idea of tightening that up a little bit

[2:34:18] Voice 13: okay

[2:34:27] Voice 11: um i would like to

[2:34:32] Voice 11: to put forward for discussion a suggestion for a new guiding principle related to climate change

[2:34:43] Voice 11: adaptation and mitigation sort of as a general principle um so i didn't i could email that to

[2:34:54] Voice 11: you but it's simply for lisa uh the addition of a new guiding principle related to climate change

[2:35:00] Voice 11: adaptation and mitigation since guiding principles are things to keep in mind they sort of signal

[2:35:10] Voice 11: priorities of sorry my cat just fell into the waste paper basket priorities of trust council

[2:35:17] Voice 11: trust council has established or stated a climate change emergency in 2019

[2:35:26] Voice 11: and I just don't see that there's enough in the policy statement that reminds us that climate

[2:35:35] Voice 11: change is a factor in our decision making. So I would put that forward. Anything else for new

[2:35:58] Voice 11: considerations? Looking at other feedback that we've heard from other areas. Yeah, go ahead,

[2:36:23] Voice 11: trustee peterson yeah

[2:36:28] Voice 4: i just wanted to mention that um i did go and have a look um what the

[2:36:38] Voice 4: referral responses were from a number of other local trust committees um and well the denman

[2:36:50] Voice 4: hornby north pender and main all have responded with interest unaffected so in other words no

[2:36:57] Voice 4: no specific recommendations to Trust Council.

[2:37:03] Voice 4: I note that the Gabriola Local Trust Committee

[2:37:07] Voice 4: has quite a number of recommendations,

[2:37:12] Voice 4: including the one that you just raised

[2:37:15] Voice 4: around the new guiding principle.

[2:37:22] Voice 4: And my preference is to focus on

[2:37:31] Voice 4: on these specifics one about you know the policy statement amendment policy itself

[2:37:40] Voice 4: and then the other two that i think are really problematic i'm fully aware there's going to be

[2:37:47] Voice 4: a lot of discussion at trust council when the referral responses from

[2:37:57] Voice 4: local trust committees come in and when we also start to have access to results out of the survey

[2:38:09] Voice 4: and the rest of the public engagement. So I was hoping to keep, I made an effort to limit

[2:38:17] Voice 4: the number of recommendations to bring forward. Just my thoughts there.

[2:38:27] Voice 11: Yeah, I appreciate that.

[2:38:30] Voice 11: the dis local trust committee did uh which i shared last tuesday did have a recommendation

[2:38:37] Voice 11: about uh sort of a schedule of regular updates so i think that's sort of in line with what you're

[2:38:44] Voice 11: suggesting for b one two about regular review i do support that i think we can trim down the

[2:38:55] Voice 11: language maybe it doesn't need to be so specific uh just we could say uh review each term yeah

[2:39:14] Voice 11: i mean that's you've got the numbers reversed in particular b12 should be strengthened to ensure

[2:39:22] Voice 11: a review in each term and b21 is that correct uh

[2:39:31] Voice 4: yeah i and and as a um as mentioned uh

[2:39:36] Voice 4: Trust Programs Committee will be looking at a draft amendment of that policy coming up. So I'm

[2:39:43] Voice 4: going to definitely lean into that meeting. For our purposes, I think we could, I'd be happy

[2:39:52] Voice 4: enough to remove the in particular part and just end that topic review inventory to shorten up

[2:40:02] Voice 4: what our recommendation is because I think I can make those specific clauses the case around those

[2:40:11] Voice 4: specific clauses both at trust programs committee and the eventual trust council discussion so I'm

[2:40:18] Voice 4: I'm not I don't absolutely need to have them in our recommendation so I'm happy to amend by

[2:40:27] Voice 4: removing that bit of it i think that would be i'd be fine with that i

[2:40:33] Voice 11: think it gets the intent

[2:40:34] Voice 11: across that there needs to be regular review so i

[2:40:39] Voice 14: mean

[2:40:39] Voice 11: that after topic review inventory

[2:40:42] Voice 11: for lisa's sake um yeah i agree with that i think it's well worded and a good consideration

[2:40:49] Voice 11: consideration the next one advisory policy 3.13 uh the only suggestion is to

[2:40:57] Voice 11: that the word voluntary be added so to make it explicit that the intent is to encourage

[2:41:04] Voice 11: voluntary support or voluntary contributions or opportunities to voluntarily direct land to

[2:41:15] Voice 11: indigenous governing bodies just just signaling that the the option is voluntary

[2:41:24] Voice 11: that is an option i would say support of yeah opportunities to voluntarily direct

[2:41:32] Voice 11: yeah voluntary opportunities that's great lisa yeah and a few other ltcs have said that could

[2:41:40] Voice 11: be clarified as well uh go ahead trustee peterson do you have something more

[2:41:44] Voice 4: yeah just on the

[2:41:46] Voice 4: voluntary piece um i had initially thought of adding that into the into the heading um

[2:41:56] Voice 4: but upon a bit of discussion and consideration i felt that there should be some um

[2:42:04] Voice 4: should be some sensitivity around changing the the heading um without some consultation and

[2:42:11] Voice 4: certainly we can have those discussions at trust council so i don't i don't at all object to

[2:42:17] Voice 4: voluntarily voluntary being placed in between of an opportunities there i think that really gets

[2:42:23] Voice 4: at it without changing the heading but just wanted to let you know i had considered adding voluntary

[2:42:28] Voice 4: into the heading and then um changed my mind and because i thought we needed to have you know

[2:42:34] Voice 4: broader discussion than this local trust committee on that part of it so i

[2:42:39] Voice 4: do but i do support it

[2:42:41] Voice 4: it being in that position on the screen right now?

[2:42:45] Voice 11: Yeah, I think it's actually more important that the terminology is correct for the policy.

[2:42:50] Voice 11: The heading is just a title.

[2:42:53] Voice 11: The actual policy itself is what should have the action words in the qualifier.

[2:42:58] Voice 11: So any more discussion on this second one, the land back?

[2:43:12] Voice 11: And yeah, just a clarification.

[2:43:16] Voice 11: Island Trust does have an amenity contribution policy that is trust wide. I think even if a local trust committee did not have amenity contribution policies that can still be written into a new bylaw.

[2:43:32] Voice 11: So if you're drafting a bylaw, just for future conversations with planners, if you're drafting a bylaw that would see a big rezoning, maybe new densities, and the community said, well, we want something for that, you can draft an amenity contribution bylaw and stipulate exactly what the community or if this policy is in place, the Indigenous governing body would be getting as a condition of that rezoning.

[2:44:03] Voice 11: zoning um i don't think it has to be already laid out in your ocp but um so the floor area uh three

[2:44:12] Voice 11: four one four if recognizing the ski has a different approach to limiting land uh or sorry

[2:44:22] Voice 11: rather development potential on land you don't think that setting floor area lot coverage limits

[2:44:30] Voice 11: is necessary well

[2:44:34] Voice 4: having had some conversation um with other trustees and and some staff

[2:44:40] Voice 4: um my feeling is that uh the language has again generated um concerns in some communities

[2:44:56] Voice 4: communities um that are kind of distracting to me from the the actual intent here when we look at

[2:45:07] Voice 4: when we look at policy 3.4.14 um one of the arguments against it of course is that floor

[2:45:23] Voice 4: floor area is a an urban usage um and that lot coverage limits is really the more germane question

[2:45:34] Voice 4: um then the floor area so again I just I know this conversation is coming going to arise at

[2:45:43] Voice 4: trust council um i think it's uh the effect of the policy um with it removed is is just fine

[2:45:54] Voice 4: and really gets more at what uh what we're aiming for than than the floor area piece

[2:46:01] Voice 4: and and um it's you know it's so difficult drafting these policies because uh as as you

[2:46:10] Voice 4: You all know we've spent a lot of time wordsmithing over the last year or so, but until we actually get these policies out for broader consultation, we might miss some of these things.

[2:46:23] Voice 4: So because it's generated so much opposition, I would just like to recommend that Trust Council consider removing that term and stick with the lot coverage.

[2:46:35] Voice 4: Okay.

[2:46:42] Voice 11: I will note that staff did respond. So in regards to the definition, there's actually a mistake that land use density and intensity, which is in our agenda page 52 here.

[2:47:01] Voice 11: density may also be measured by dividing the built area including all floor area by the total area of

[2:47:08] Voice 11: the lot floor area ratio floor area ratio is an urban term it actually refers to floor area ratio

[2:47:18] Voice 11: to height and it's not appropriate in this document so i think it's that reference that

[2:47:24] Voice 11: that threw people off a bit but limiting by total floor area is being used on south pender

[2:47:37] Voice 11: and now on main island so i wouldn't necessarily term it an urban construct

[2:47:46] Voice 11: it's an attempt to give flexibility to landowners and i only know this because i've been on the main

[2:47:54] Voice 11: local trust committee for three years now um so where an increased density is permitted

[2:48:03] Voice 11: in a certain zone that the number of units is limited by total floor area of all the units

[2:48:10] Voice 11: rather than by limiting the number of units as well as being limited to lot coverage

[2:48:18] Voice 11: So it does work for some local trust committees, but I understand that it wouldn't necessarily for LISC-E. Over to you, Trustee Peterson.

[2:48:29] Voice 4: Yeah, and I guess my point would be that by removing the language from the policy statement, it certainly would not inhibit local trust committees that want to use that from doing so.

[2:48:45] Voice 4: It just would no longer be a part of the directive policies to all local trust committees, which is why I'm advocating for the removal of it.

[2:48:57] Voice 4: again all of these recommendations that we make to trust council it is highly unknown for certain

[2:49:06] Voice 4: what trust council will do with any or all of these recommendations so this is uh yeah this

[2:49:14] Voice 4: is what the ones that really stuck out to me for as being important for considerations that i wanted

[2:49:19] Voice 4: to make sure to raise for trust council's attention yeah

[2:49:23] Voice 11: and it's important that we are

[2:49:24] Voice 11: are looking at this through the lens of what's important for the Liskiti community and um in our

[2:49:31] Voice 11: referral response sort of on behalf of what we've heard from Liskiti so I think that's totally

[2:49:39] Voice 11: fine um no objections to that what do you both think about a guiding principle related to climate

[2:49:52] Voice 11: change adaptation mitigation i'm fine with it i mean i'm proposing it so i'm

[2:50:17] Voice 11: fine with it

[2:50:19] Voice 4: yeah um i think in principle i'm i'm not opposed to it as a guiding principle um

[2:50:29] Voice 4: i guess my concern is that um since there isn't one it then needs to be created from scratch

[2:50:40] Voice 4: scratch in terms of this document and i do have a little concern um around timelines and and

[2:50:52] Voice 4: staffing capacity so um and again we don't know what trust council will do with it but

[2:51:00] Voice 4: i guess it would be a lot easier for me to support if i had um you know a proposed text

[2:51:11] Voice 4: in front of me i guess i've

[2:51:14] Voice 11: intentionally left it open because it's really it's about what do

[2:51:19] Voice 11: you want to see and then leave it to staff to gauge how that is phrased and it's more work

[2:51:29] Voice 11: if you say well we want it phrased this way but it's actually not um i think they know best how

[2:51:35] Voice 11: oh, a guiding principle should be worded.

[2:51:39] Voice 11: So I wasn't inclined to do the work.

[2:51:45] Voice 11: I'm confused about your labeling of,

[2:51:48] Voice 11: so a commandment of trust council

[2:51:50] Voice 11: to amendment of policy statement,

[2:51:52] Voice 11: amendment policy one, two, one.

[2:51:56] Voice 11: Where is that in the policy statement?

[2:51:59] Voice 11: One, two, half

[2:52:00] Voice 11: of the trust area.

[2:52:02] Voice 4: Policy statement amendment policy 1.2.1

[2:52:05] Voice 11: is

[2:52:05] Voice 4: not in the policy statement itself it's a separate policy it's a policy of trust council

[2:52:10] Voice 4: oh

[2:52:13] Voice 11: that should be clear then well

[2:52:22] Voice 4: i think that um and perhaps the wording could be changed

[2:52:27] Voice 4: a commitment of trust council to amend policy statement amendment policy one point etc might

[2:52:36] Voice 4: might be more clear is that is that helpful and

[2:52:40] Voice 11: it should be to amend trust council policy

[2:52:46] Voice 11: like it's it's trust council's policy rather than it's referring to a policy in the draft

[2:52:51] Voice 11: policy statement that's what i was confused about yes

[2:52:54] Voice 4: well it's one of the awkward things

[2:52:55] Voice 4: about the wording of the policy perhaps changing the name of the policy might be worth consideration

[2:53:02] Voice 4: consideration um

[2:53:03] Voice 11: that's

[2:53:05] Voice 4: what it's currently called can

[2:53:06] Voice 11: we just say paul trust council policy

[2:53:09] Voice 11: one two one take out the wording so that it's clear that this is trust council's policy one

[2:53:16] Voice 11: two one policy statement very

[2:53:23] Voice 14: confusing yeah

[2:53:31] Voice 4: the fact that it starts and ends with the word policy

[2:53:33] Voice 4: does not make it easier to understand but it is the policy by which trust council amends the policy

[2:53:41] Voice 4: policy statement wonderful

[2:53:46] Voice 11: sorry I'm just looking it up so it's one two one I would just add

[2:53:57] Voice 11: trust council policy one two one brackets policy statement amendment that make it more clear to

[2:54:09] Voice 11: amend trust council policy followed by one two one and then brackets policy statement amendment

[2:54:20] Voice 11: amendment yeah policy and then take out the last one two one does that make it a little more

[2:54:34] Voice 11: clear that helps me because it just clarifies that it's not a draft policy within the draft

[2:54:47] Voice 11: policy statement that we're considering yeah okay

[2:54:51] Voice 4: yeah i'm fine with that

[2:54:53] Voice 3: okay

[2:55:00] Voice 11: we heard a

[2:55:09] Voice 11: And concern over, I know we heard earlier, concern over taking guidance from the United Nations Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous People, the working towards collaborative governance with Indigenous governing bodies.

[2:55:27] Voice 11: I just want to note for the public's information that this draft has been reviewed by our legal team, and I can't, we can't share what's sort of privileged legal advice, but it did emerge with no red flags.

[2:55:52] Voice 11: And so what we have before us is in line with the jurisdiction and authority that is granted to Trust Council through the Islands Trust Act and the Local Government Act and the Community Charter.

[2:56:08] Voice 11: So I don't have any concerns that this is delegating authorities that are granted to the Trust Council and to local trust committees to Indigenous governing bodies.

[2:56:21] Voice 11: The language is quite passive. For instance, working towards collaborative governance is a relational construct. It's building foundations for conversations in the future.

[2:56:36] Voice 11: but any potential for changing the governance structure in the Islands Trust area

[2:56:44] Voice 11: would require an amendment by the province.

[2:56:48] Voice 11: So that's not something that Trust Council can undertake on its own,

[2:56:52] Voice 11: and the policy statement could not change the Islands Trust Act.

[2:56:59] Voice 11: So is there anything else that we want to include or consider in our referral response?

[2:57:10] Voice 11: Yep, Trustee Peterson?

[2:57:11] Voice 11: Yeah,

[2:57:12] Voice 4: I mean, I think this is plenty. I think there's, as I say, I reviewed responses from other local trust committees, and that will generate plenty of discussion at Trust Council.

[2:57:29] Voice 4: you know back to back to your point uh around the uh the legislative jurisdictional piece

[2:57:42] Voice 4: um i don't know how to make it more clear that islands trust um uh jurisdiction ends where it

[2:57:50] Voice 4: ends and provincial jurisdiction begins where it begins and is overarching and um also superseded

[2:57:59] Voice 4: through federal and constitutional law um and uh uh so you know suggestions around um guiding

[2:58:12] Voice 4: principles um leading to dire consequences at the hands of islands trust are not bounded in

[2:58:21] Voice 4: a factual understanding of of um the jurisdictional and legislative responsibilities

[2:58:28] Voice 4: with various branches of government as islands trust as a local government simply doesn't have

[2:58:35] Voice 4: the legislative authority to um do a number of the things that uh i've heard people be very

[2:58:42] Voice 4: concerned about i want to acknowledge that um you know having said that that that the concerns are

[2:58:51] Voice 4: real and heartfelt and may cause worry and anxiety. I can only do my best to address with

[2:59:04] Voice 4: my understanding of the facts around jurisdiction and legislative authorities to do that.

[2:59:11] Voice 4: But I do want to acknowledge that those concerns are real and important. And I do understand that.

[2:59:24] Voice 11: Yeah, thank you for saying that. It's very important to acknowledge concerns, and we have wrestled with a lot of these issues that the public is now asking questions about, so it's good to keep digging in and ensuring that we're on the right track.

[2:59:42] Voice 11: Okay. Is somebody prepared to make a motion? And then we could have any more discussion. But I think we're all fairly comfortable with this procedure.

[3:00:00] Voice 11: here

[3:00:00] Voice 12: yeah well

[3:00:08] Voice 11: staff will have to bring back all the referral responses and the survey responses

[3:00:11] Voice 11: and and there'll be a lot of work for us to make a path make any amendments so go ahead trustee

[3:00:24] Voice 11: peterson yeah yes

[3:00:26] Voice 4: well if we could guarantee there would be no wordsmithing at trust council

[3:00:30] Voice 4: well wouldn't that be a miracle but that is well beyond the jurisdiction of this local trust

[3:00:35] Voice 4: committee's authority uh so i move that the luskete island local trust committee recommend

[3:00:41] Voice 4: to island trust council that proposed bylaw number 183 proceed subject to the following

[3:00:46] Voice 4: recommendations a commitment of trust council to amend trust council policy 1.2.1 policy statement

[3:00:53] Voice 4: amendment policy to ensure that a review is considered each term a regular review process

[3:01:00] Voice 4: is defined and the initiation of a policy statement amendment topic review inventory

[3:01:05] Voice 4: amendment of advisory policy 3.1.3 land back to make it explicit that the intent is to encourage

[3:01:14] Voice 4: support of voluntary opportunities to direct land to indigenous governing bodies not to require

[3:01:19] Voice 4: amendment of directive policy 3.4.14 by removing the words floor area and from the heading and

[3:01:30] Voice 4: text and both instances of the word floor area from the glossary addition of a new guiding

[3:01:37] Voice 4: principle related to climate change adaptation and mitigation excellent

[3:01:43] Voice 11: moved do i have a seconder

[3:01:45] Voice 11: good seconded by trustee laroney discussion on the motion trustee peterson yeah

[3:01:56] Voice 4: i just uh sort

[3:01:57] Voice 4: of add to what i said earlier i um in particular the piece around the policy statement amendment

[3:02:04] Voice 4: policy is something that I think is really important. I think that, again, the policy

[3:02:12] Voice 4: statement has never been intended to be carved in stone. By making the regular review process,

[3:02:21] Voice 4: ensuring that a review is considered each term, I hope that that will give some

[3:02:28] Voice 4: comfort to people that are concerned about the wording of individual policies,

[3:02:33] Voice 4: that, in fact, Trust Council can go back in and amend the wording.

[3:02:39] Voice 4: If it's found to be that any of these policies are highly problematic

[3:02:43] Voice 4: and causing real problems, it's well within the purview of Trust Council

[3:02:48] Voice 4: to go back and fix any of those problems.

[3:02:54] Voice 4: I'll just reiterate what I said earlier.

[3:02:56] Voice 4: My view is that most of the environmental policies can be captured

[3:03:02] Voice 4: within the context of Laskiti's minimum lot size

[3:03:07] Voice 4: at time of subdivision.

[3:03:11] Voice 4: And the rest is just about adding some clarity

[3:03:14] Voice 4: and removing some anxiety if possible.

[3:03:17] Voice 4: Thank you.

[3:03:19] Voice 11: Thank you for that.

[3:03:21] Voice 11: Any further comments?

[3:03:25] Voice 11: That will proceed to the vote.

[3:03:27] Voice 11: All those in favor, raise your hand or say aye.

[3:03:31] Voice 11: And excellent.

[3:03:37] Voice 11: That is carried.

[3:03:38] Voice 11: Great. Thank you, both of you, for your work, your careful consideration of your community's interests and your response on behalf of the Ski Local Trust Committee.

[3:03:50] Voice 11: We shall see what comes back to Trust Council.

[3:03:53] Voice 11: Still a lot of work to do.

[3:03:55] Voice 11: And a note to the public, you can still send in correspondence.

[3:04:00] Voice 11: Many of us are checking that correspondence folder.

[3:04:03] Voice 11: So thank you for your continued engagement.

[3:04:06] Voice 11: So we'll move on with the rest of our agenda.

[3:04:08] Voice 11: um we've heard a bit of an update on our local trust committee projects not yet started so

[3:04:14] Voice 11: there's no update on today's agenda uh section 11 correspondence we have three pieces 11.1 11.2

[3:04:23] Voice 11: from trustee peterson regarding bc ferries perhaps we should raise that for discussion

[3:04:31] Voice 11: discussion if you have any updates i think we've dealt with 11.1 that was regarding ca cove

[3:04:39] Voice 11: is there any anything further to add trustee peterson on um bc ferry's response on route 55

[3:04:49] Voice 11: service yeah

[3:04:52] Voice 4: i think um as i mentioned it was quite interesting that the uh

[3:04:57] Voice 4: the minister finally got around to answering my letter from October,

[3:05:04] Voice 4: the day after I raised the question of the public session for elected

[3:05:09] Voice 4: leaders, perhaps a coincidence.

[3:05:14] Voice 4: But what's clear to me,

[3:05:16] Voice 4: both from the letter from the minister and from the letter from BC is that

[3:05:21] Voice 4: Really, it behooves members of the Liskiti community, the residents and ridership of Route 55 to keep the pressure on when we receive these responses.

[3:05:40] Voice 4: responses um you know we recognize we're committed to continual dialogue um we share your concern

[3:05:50] Voice 4: uh we'll continue to monitor that sort of language it just speaks to me um residents

[3:05:58] Voice 4: and ridership keep the letters coming uh i don't it's it's clear that without um

[3:06:07] Voice 4: without any public pressure, there will be no action.

[3:06:14] Voice 11: I agree.

[3:06:16] Voice 11: And thank you for keeping up that public pressure

[3:06:19] Voice 11: as an advocate for your community.

[3:06:21] Voice 11: It's good to be getting a response.

[3:06:23] Voice 11: I'll note their communications team seems to have changed.

[3:06:26] Voice 11: They seem to be responding more to letters

[3:06:32] Voice 11: and sort of getting out in front

[3:06:33] Voice 11: since there was a big call to pay attention at UBCM

[3:06:37] Voice 11: spurred on by the mayor of gibsons and bowen and a lot of local trust area representatives

[3:06:44] Voice 11: went to that meeting so i think bc ferries is paying attention keep it up and great um

[3:06:55] Voice 11: so if there's nothing else we'll just um receive those for information and we'll move on to our

[3:07:03] Voice 11: new business 12.1 we have a letter of support for public use of squiddy bay dock over to you

[3:07:10] Voice 11: trustee laroni okay

[3:07:15] Voice 13: i do have a little um

[3:07:18] Voice 13: just

[3:07:19] Voice 11: so you know you're a little muffled um yeah it's a little no no i can't hear you

[3:07:37] Voice 11: oh oh there there is that better much better we can hear you thank you excellent

[3:07:41] Voice 7: okay give me

[3:07:43] Voice 7: three seconds here i'm just gonna um send this to lisa is that you or should i send it to where

[3:07:49] Voice 7: am i sending this

[3:07:49] Voice 11: maybe send to the whiskey local trust committee and lisa well we can all look at

[3:07:55] Voice 11: it thank you i

[3:07:56] Voice 8: have it i'm trusting there only if it's the same one that you sent in the other day

[3:08:00] Voice 8: yeah it is a chunk

[3:08:10] Voice 7: okay i just said it to you guys thank you so i mean we have talked about this

[3:08:19] Voice 7: in the past i believe with all the dock divestments and there's a lot of concern is there's

[3:08:27] Voice 7: only that there's no other docks or public harbors at the other end at that end of the island

[3:08:38] Voice 7: so let's say there's a forest fire in the middle of the island nobody from the south end will be

[3:08:42] Voice 7: able to get to the north end where the ferry is so i felt like this was a pretty good thing to

[3:08:46] Voice 7: advocate for for the island um okay

[3:08:55] Voice 11: let's

[3:08:57] Voice 7: start on that so

[3:08:59] Voice 11: this would be advocacy to

[3:09:03] Voice 7: small craft towers and ministry of transport infrastructure yeah it's um

[3:09:09] Voice 7: sheila harrington i believe shared a an email with us that she sent gosh it's like tab hell

[3:09:23] Voice 11: i'll go to trustee peterson yeah yeah

[3:09:27] Voice 4: uh well thank you trustee for laroni for bringing this

[3:09:31] Voice 4: up um i am unclear on the role of ministry of transport and infrastructure at that particular

[3:09:39] Voice 4: facility but i'm sure that we can clarify um clarify that before our letter goes out

[3:09:46] Voice 7: yeah um

[3:09:47] Voice 4: i'm pretty sure it's small craft harbors and not ministry of transport uh but that doesn't

[3:09:55] Voice 4: mean uh that doesn't inhibit my support uh for a letter so i'm i'm uh ready and willing to second

[3:10:04] Voice 4: the motion when it's made my

[3:10:07] Voice 11: only question on this and i would turn to staff because the local

[3:10:12] Voice 11: trust committee can only send letters of advocacy letters on matters related to its jurisdiction

[3:10:23] Voice 11: land use planning so this kind of is potentially a land use planning matter obviously it concerns

[3:10:33] Voice 11: the community but this may be something that we have to ask executive committee to write about

[3:10:41] Voice 11: if it's not strictly within

[3:10:44] Voice 11: the Liskiti Local Trust Committee's jurisdiction?

[3:10:48] Voice 11: Because we've strayed outside that before,

[3:10:52] Voice 11: I think with telephone service

[3:10:54] Voice 11: in the very beginning of term.

[3:10:59] Voice 11: But really, this might need to be

[3:11:04] Voice 11: an executive committee-directed one.

[3:11:06] Voice 11: What do you think, Planner Ba?

[3:11:10] Voice 2: Thanks, Chair.

[3:11:10] Voice 2: um i'm just looking at our advocacy policy right now actually to see um but i think you may be

[3:11:19] Voice 2: correct that it might be best um if it's a request to look to executive committee but if you give me

[3:11:25] Voice 2: a moment i'll i can look at the policy and and hopefully provide some more clarity so just for

[3:11:33] Voice 11: my own information the what is the so continued public use has there been a scaling back of the

[3:11:42] Voice 11: the current public use is it in danger like what's the issue that's come up lately the issue

[3:11:48] Voice 7: that's come up is the divesting of a lot of the docks and also just in the last years there's been

[3:11:54] Voice 7: very little maintenance like the maintenance has started to be done by locals and as there's not

[3:11:59] Voice 7: any really happening and it is quite a used dock especially in the summer by

[3:12:04] Voice 7: um boaters locals and um just people cruising the coast okay

[3:12:14] Voice 11: so i don't see in this motion

[3:12:20] Voice 11: a request for maintenance i think that would be important because you know expressing support

[3:12:30] Voice 11: for continued public use that's great but that doesn't ask them for anything

[3:12:35] Voice 7: anything um i guess the ask is just not to remove it but i mean why why good point why don't we just

[3:12:42] Voice 7: ask for all the things we're going to bother at all good point um continued use well i think the

[3:12:54] Voice 11: divestment piece wouldn't that be captured with the um yeah because it just seems if there isn't

[3:13:04] Voice 11: any action to divest right now are we worried that it would that the federal or the ministry

[3:13:09] Voice 11: of transport would divest sorry i'm confused well

[3:13:17] Voice 7: they did i mean they are they are divesting and

[3:13:19] Voice 7: i guess there is concern that they are going to divest yeah

[3:13:23] Voice 11: trustee peterson i mean yeah

[3:13:26] Voice 4: um my

[3:13:28] Voice 4: understanding and i'm happy to be corrected if anyone has uh any information that could be the

[3:13:34] Voice 4: contrary but that false bay dock um which falls under the federal ministry of transport is on the

[3:13:42] Voice 4: the remote support divestment list as mentioned earlier uh by myself and director fall and that

[3:13:48] Voice 4: squitty bay dock is um a small craft harbors that they're not the same department and um

[3:13:55] Voice 4: i am not aware what small craft harbors plan is for their small ports where they

[3:14:02] Voice 4: uh whether they actually have a divestiture program or not i really i don't know enough

[3:14:09] Voice 4: about the small craft harbors aspect i've been focusing on the ministry of transport with the

[3:14:15] Voice 4: false bay dock but i agree that uh you know the squiddy bay dock is important so i just um maybe

[3:14:23] Voice 4: we can look to um maybe we can look to the staff or or anyone for just a way to get this motion

[3:14:31] Voice 4: out there so that if you know if it's if it doesn't have to do with ministry of transport

[3:14:36] Voice 4: port we shouldn't send it to them if it's just small craft then let's do that but absolutely

[3:14:43] Voice 4: i'm all for advocating for uh for continued

[3:14:47] Voice 4: use of the stock yeah

[3:14:48] Voice 7: i'm just on i just said that

[3:14:49] Voice 7: was i thought it was a good point so i was just looking up here on the um on the dfo website and

[3:14:55] Voice 7: it's for the small one of the main objectives of small craft harbors is to transfer ownership of

[3:14:59] Voice 7: designated harbors to a third party and this includes harbors that fall into these categories

[3:15:04] Voice 7: is derelict low activity and recreational so i think that might be part of the issue is what

[3:15:13] Voice 7: exact which jurisdiction does it fall under and water is so complicated it's it's not fisheries

[3:15:23] Voice 7: because it's not used for commercial fishing though i have seen commercial fishermen tie up

[3:15:27] Voice 7: there fisher folks to the chair

[3:15:31] Voice 7: laurie

[3:15:34] Voice 11: please go ahead uh

[3:15:35] Voice 2: i don't have this isn't gonna provide a

[3:15:38] Voice 2: a lot of clarity i don't think right away but it is within a provincial park i believe

[3:15:46] Voice 2: so that's a could be that it's bc parks that is right

[3:15:51] Voice 11: so i sent some wording lisa to you

[3:15:56] Voice 11: it's more i'm wondering if we could frame this as a request for information

[3:16:04] Voice 11: um which if it's not an advocacy position you know this might be information that we need to

[3:16:13] Voice 11: to clarify who is responsible and then any,

[3:16:17] Voice 11: that would inform any future advocacy initiatives.

[3:16:22] Voice 11: So I was suggesting maybe the LTC could request information

[3:16:27] Voice 11: from small craft harbors about the status

[3:16:30] Voice 11: of the Squiddy Bay dock and maintenance schedule,

[3:16:32] Voice 11: and then noting the importance of the dock

[3:16:34] Voice 11: for and your list of considerations there.

[3:16:40] Voice 11: we could just sort of start the conversation okay

[3:16:50] Voice 7: it looks like the dock is federally owned

[3:16:52] Voice 7: by transport canada which would be odd because it's not really i

[3:16:58] Voice 11: guess but

[3:16:59] Voice 7: you're totally right

[3:17:09] Voice 7: it could just be conjecture and rumor and they have no intent to divest yeah

[3:17:15] Voice 11: like i'd i'd look

[3:17:17] Voice 11: for some more information um which i think you can just you can email you know as a member of

[3:17:24] Voice 11: the public or as a trustee okay email um small craft harbors maybe see if you can get some

[3:17:33] Voice 11: clarity and then if there's an advocacy or if there's something that the local trust committee

[3:17:40] Voice 11: needs to do i'll bring it to the next meeting or request executive committee to do yeah so

[3:17:46] Voice 11: be thinking about it through the lens of land use planning i think if it's in provincial park that

[3:17:52] Voice 11: That might be outside of our purview, but we can advocate,

[3:17:56] Voice 11: but that would have to be, I think, done through executive committee.

[3:18:00] Voice 7: Sounds good. Let's move on.

[3:18:02] Voice 11: All right. Planner Baugh, you're nodding.

[3:18:06] Voice 2: Yes, I did look at our advocacy policy,

[3:18:10] Voice 2: and it is that the local trust committee chair would request

[3:18:14] Voice 2: from executive committee that there be staff time allocated

[3:18:18] Voice 2: to that advocacy work if there's a desire for that.

[3:18:22] Voice 11: Yeah. And I think we could. I just need to know a few more particulars about what the plan is and if there is a divestiture plan in place and if we need to know anything about maintenance schedule. So yeah, Trustee Larone, if you could follow up and then we'll bring that to the next meeting.

[3:18:42] Voice 11: be great thank you okay so we move on to staff reports um item 13.1 there is a briefing

[3:18:55] Voice 11: quite a long one which um had been requested um following trust council i think in december

[3:19:05] Voice 11: we had a presentation from hannah rabinovich of the ministry of i guess housing and municipal

[3:19:11] Voice 11: full fares um speaking about the options for opt-in for short-term vacation rental so opting

[3:19:20] Voice 11: we are currently in the excluded area is that i'm not mistaken and we would need to opt in if

[3:19:28] Voice 11: wishes to um is there any desire to uh proceed on the basis of this briefing

[3:19:38] Voice 11: I didn't hear any loud needs from the community saying, yes, we need this as a check on Laskini.

[3:19:52] Voice 11: Go ahead, Trustee Peterson.

[3:19:54] Voice 4: Yeah, well, considering at this point, our land use bylaw section 4.6, commercial tourist accommodation C3.

[3:20:05] Voice 4: um other than the provincially uh regulated uh bed and breakfast which already is um

[3:20:17] Voice 4: principal residence tied to um all other tourist accommodation um is uh is zoned on musketeers so

[3:20:29] Voice 4: i don't see a need to pursue opting in at this point that's

[3:20:37] Voice 11: great go ahead trustee laroney

[3:20:39] Voice 11: me okay

[3:20:40] Voice 7: well my thought on this is that we kind of already have that this in place from our ocp

[3:20:47] Voice 7: more or less like it's very similar wording very similar basically you can't have a bed and

[3:20:55] Voice 7: breakfast um short-term accommodation unless it's attached to your home and so i think the only

[3:21:02] Voice 7: thing only thing that opting in would really do would be to take the enforcement out of the

[3:21:07] Voice 7: islands trust's hands and put it in the hands of the province no that no it wouldn't do it like

[3:21:14] Voice 7: because i mean you have to have no enforcement but you um in order

[3:21:17] Voice 7: to advertise to post it on

[3:21:20] Voice 7: airbnb you have to have the number and the province regulates that i guess is what i'm meaning yeah

[3:21:25] Voice 11: there's a yeah it's a dual check local trust committee bylaws would still apply your ocp

[3:21:31] Voice 11: is still you know enforced they have to comply with that but i don't think there's any

[3:21:39] Voice 11: I'm not hearing any appetite to opt-in.

[3:21:41] Voice 7: Yeah.

[3:21:42] Voice 7: I can't really think of any advantage one way or the other.

[3:21:51] Voice 11: Great.

[3:21:52] Voice 11: So there is no Trust Conservancy report,

[3:21:55] Voice 11: although we have had a few meetings in the last quarter.

[3:21:59] Voice 11: There was a very good report on the December Trust Council meeting agenda

[3:22:03] Voice 11: if anybody is interested or reach out to me.

[3:22:05] Voice 11: we've got our applications report dated February 3rd uh are there any questions on that for staff

[3:22:12] Voice 11: or updates okay uh trustee and local expense report uh dated December 2025 there was a question

[3:22:25] Voice 11: from a member of the public um trustee expenses yeah I'm actually not sure what that covers

[3:22:37] Voice 11: um i have not seen this item used in other local trust committees so we might have to get more

[3:22:48] Voice 11: information about what that 564 is spent uh i know the travel expenses for me to attend

[3:22:59] Voice 11: on island meetings are covered in um ltc executive expense on ltc's so was it maybe

[3:23:09] Voice 11: Maybe something for the printer. Does anybody know what the trustee expenses were spent on?

[3:23:18] Voice 11: No.

[3:23:19] Voice 11: Okay. Oh, we can see if we can get some more information and come back. Oh, planner bar. Yes.

[3:23:27] Voice 2: So I don't have exact clarity on that line item. I think that generally, I think the trustee expenses can cover some, you know, certain prescribed expenses that trustees might incur in their duties.

[3:23:39] Voice 2: um i don't have specifics on that but um in terms of what it could cover or couldn't but

[3:23:46] Voice 2: just wanted to note though that the negative 1564 you're seeing there your agenda package

[3:23:53] Voice 2: is actually an income that is not an expense that is um um it's in the spent column and it's

[3:24:02] Voice 2: a negative number so it's actually um something that's that's been corrected perhaps or i don't

[3:24:07] Voice 2: know that um the reason for it but that's just wanted to make that um clear where you're seeing

[3:24:13] Voice 2: the you know in the other lines there where you're seeing the you know 378 24 that's that that amount

[3:24:21] Voice 2: was spent uh or the 881 75 that amount was spent but when it's the negative there it's a it's a

[3:24:27] Voice 2: different thing

[3:24:28] Voice 11: thank you so much balance sheets not being my favorite thing that was i missed that

[3:24:33] Voice 11: go ahead trustee peterson well

[3:24:35] Voice 4: and i would just assume that the definitive answer would be through

[3:24:39] Voice 4: the good folks down at uh at the finance department uh down in the victoria office who

[3:24:45] Voice 4: produce these reports and understand them inside out and backwards in a way that perhaps not uh

[3:24:52] Voice 4: the rest of us mere mortals do yep

[3:24:56] Voice 11: i do have a note because i'd asked about this trustee expense

[3:25:00] Voice 11: expense account for another LTC and I did get a response back from finance committee that the

[3:25:06] Voice 11: trustees expense account is used for things like office supplies, ink for printer, paper, travel

[3:25:13] Voice 11: that is specific to the LTC but not for travel to an islands trust LTC meeting or an APC meeting as

[3:25:21] Voice 11: they have their own accounts. Trustees should have agreement or approval of the LTC to go to these

[3:25:27] Voice 11: meetings um budget for ltc accounts including trustee expenses ltc meeting apc meeting

[3:25:35] Voice 11: communications are currently determined based on analysis of costs from prior years

[3:25:41] Voice 11: therefore they will not have room for expenditures that have not occurred in prior years

[3:25:46] Voice 11: um our director of trust area or financial services has been working towards a review

[3:25:53] Voice 11: review slash approval process of LTC budgets by the LTCs, but has not yet had capacity to get

[3:26:01] Voice 11: those out. So this may have been a misallocation of expenses that was then corrected, as you noted,

[3:26:11] Voice 11: Planner Baugh. Great. So First Nations update. We don't have a report here, but I've asked for

[3:26:23] Voice 11: for a letter that went out from the chair of Trust Council

[3:26:27] Voice 11: to Snanaas First Nation with just reiterating

[3:26:35] Voice 11: both the LTC and Trust Council,

[3:26:39] Voice 11: the chair is writing on behalf of Trust Council,

[3:26:41] Voice 11: the interest in re-engaging with the working group

[3:26:46] Voice 11: and relationship building and working together

[3:26:51] Voice 11: to ensure

[3:26:53] Voice 11: SNANOS First Nations

[3:26:55] Voice 11: interests and concerns

[3:26:57] Voice 11: are understood

[3:26:58] Voice 11: as we go into the

[3:27:00] Voice 11: OCP review

[3:27:03] Voice 11: so all of us have seen

[3:27:05] Voice 11: that letter going out and I think we'll ask

[3:27:07] Voice 11: for it to be on the agenda for the next

[3:27:08] Voice 11: meeting just so the

[3:27:10] Voice 11: community can be aware

[3:27:13] Voice 11: and 13.7 I don't think there's anything

[3:27:15] Voice 11: on local trust committee webpage

[3:27:18] Voice 11: no

[3:27:18] Voice 3: anything

[3:27:19] Voice 11: no okay so our work program 14.1 we have our active projects report

[3:27:26] Voice 11: page 106 any comments or questions there minor project this item has to be removed from major

[3:27:41] Voice 11: project charter by ltc resolution oh planner bar i'm seeing a note on page 106 do we need a

[3:27:51] Voice 11: resolution to remove this part from the project charter let

[3:27:58] Voice 2: me just catch up to your page there

[3:28:00] Voice 2: but i don't believe so no i don't know you're looking at oh

[3:28:05] Voice 11: has been i

[3:28:06] Voice 2: think that's yeah i'm

[3:28:08] Voice 2: not sure not why

[3:28:10] Voice 2: that note is there but it it's i don't think you need any resolution for this

[3:28:13] Voice 2: this minor project is underway and um there's a public hearing actually in your main meeting that

[3:28:19] Voice 2: you've asked for so we'll be presenting referral responses and advertising for that between these

[3:28:27] Voice 2: meetings okay

[3:28:28] Voice 11: excellent uh i would like to see that the major project ocp and lub review

[3:28:39] Voice 11: shouldn't that be listed as an active project or is it just because it's not yet started

[3:28:45] Voice 11: yeah

[3:28:47] Voice 2: i believe it's listed because that's it's not yet started uh well it's not currently

[3:28:54] Voice 2: assigned to a particular staff member and that the regional planning team has not had capacity to

[3:29:00] Voice 2: to take that project yet so very

[3:29:04] Voice 11: good well not very good i'm hoping they can uh we can start

[3:29:10] Voice 11: that very soon okay so we'll go on to upcoming meetings we do need to have a bit of a discussion

[3:29:16] Voice 11: our next regularly scheduled meeting is Monday May 4th 2026 at 11 a.m. what is

[3:29:26] Voice 11: the status of the location are we comfortable setting the location as a

[3:29:34] Voice 11: community hall some respondents were there at the community hall and seemed

[3:29:40] Voice 11: to have some satellite and the connection seemed to be okay yeah go

[3:29:46] Voice 11: Go ahead, Trustee Peterson.

[3:29:49] Voice 4: Yeah, thanks.

[3:29:49] Voice 4: I was going to make that recommendation,

[3:29:52] Voice 4: particularly in light of the fact

[3:29:55] Voice 4: that we're going to have a public hearing scheduled.

[3:30:00] Voice 4: minor projects um i think the community hall is the way to go of course if we cannot um you know

[3:30:08] Voice 4: pull off the logistics we could pivot to electronic um but i'd like us to plan for in person

[3:30:17] Voice 4: and uh and hope that that works out i know that there's um the satellite technology is getting

[3:30:25] Voice 4: It's getting more versatile. I haven't myself had the opportunity to try it down there, but I know that there's someone willing to loan the community association unit, and so my intent was to go down next week or the following, something like that, to go down and test it out on Zoom,

[3:30:52] Voice 4: and perhaps we'll get some feedback from the folks who are there today,

[3:30:55] Voice 4: how it worked for them.

[3:30:58] Voice 4: Obviously, we want to be able to ensure that any of our staff

[3:31:04] Voice 4: that are coming in by Zoom, we can hear them and they can hear us.

[3:31:08] Voice 4: I think that's quite important.

[3:31:12] Voice 4: But I believe the technology is almost within our grasp.

[3:31:17] Voice 4: So I'm in favor of changing the location to the community hall

[3:31:21] Voice 4: all and uh hoping for the best oh i see uh uh lisa millard's got her hand up

[3:31:28] Voice 11: go ahead there lisa

[3:31:30] Voice 11: thank

[3:31:31] Voice 8: you chair elliott and through the chair uh the musketeer ltc adopted their annual meeting

[3:31:38] Voice 8: schedule dates with meetings to be in person on musketeer island simply because the venue hadn't

[3:31:44] Voice 8: been established yet so i'm just going to share my screen because there are other meetings that we

[3:31:50] Voice 8: we haven't established a location for and therefore the annual schedule hasn't been

[3:31:55] Voice 8: published yet. So potentially the LTC might wish to consider the location for the remainder of

[3:32:09] Voice 8: the dates. I do see on the agenda that they're also looking at November 23rd kind of as a separate

[3:32:16] Voice 8: item yes

[3:32:19] Voice 11: thank you for that we'll deal with uh november 23rd separately um so do we want to

[3:32:26] Voice 11: set the location for the may 4th july 6th february 1st um meetings to be at the

[3:32:36] Voice 11: community hall and if so do we need an address lisa do you want to do you need an address or

[3:32:50] Voice 11: or is it sufficient to say Liskety Community Hall?

[3:32:59] Voice 8: I know a location needs to be specified,

[3:33:01] Voice 8: so I could quickly look up an address if that's helpful.

[3:33:07] Voice 11: That would be helpful.

[3:33:09] Voice 11: And then we need a motion.

[3:33:11] Voice 11: The resolution is on page three of our agenda.

[3:33:22] Voice 11: Liskety Local Trust Committee request staff update the meeting location

[3:33:26] Voice 11: of the May 4th, 2026 to,

[3:33:30] Voice 11: Is it called the Leskeetee Community Hall or Leskeetee Island Community Hall?

[3:33:36] Voice 11: Looking for input. Speak.

[3:33:41] Voice 11: I

[3:33:45] Voice 4: often just hear it called the hall, but I think if we called it Leskeetee Island Community Hall, that would be clear enough.

[3:33:51] Voice 4: There are not more than one.

[3:33:54] Voice 7: Yeah, I think that's correct as well.

[3:33:57] Voice 11: Great.

[3:33:58] Voice 11: You could just say Leskeetee Island Community Hall first.

[3:34:08] Voice 11: I mean, February 1st, we could leave as to be determined.

[3:34:12] Voice 11: that'll be a new um a new ltc they may want to meet at the judith fisher center or electronically

[3:34:27] Voice 11: and then there'll be a separate consideration for november 23rd we will need to make that

[3:34:33] Voice 11: electronic and i can get into the reasons why uh lisa did you have information there

[3:34:40] Voice 11: to share sorry

[3:34:57] Voice 8: charlotte my system doesn't want to do two things at once um i did look up the

[3:35:03] Voice 8: the Liskety Island Community Hall, and there isn't a specific address associated with it.

[3:35:10] Voice 11: Okay. Well, if somebody wants to just read the motion as Liskety Island Community Hall,

[3:35:16] Voice 11: that'd be great.

[3:35:19] Voice 7: I can read it. Do we actually have a motion? I'm going to do this on the fly.

[3:35:27] Voice 7: It's on page three of our agenda.

[3:35:35] Voice 11: So we'll need to change the May. My suggestion is to change the

[3:35:38] Voice 11: may 4th uh lisa what was the other date july so you could bring that back up on screen

[3:35:52] Voice 7: okay i move that the next regular meeting scheduled for monday may 4th 2026 at 11 a.m

[3:35:59] Voice 7: be at the luskin island community hall if

[3:36:05] Voice 11: we could roll together okay so before this is seconded

[3:36:10] Voice 11: oh there's a there's a motion on screen that okay jumping back and forth here

[3:36:15] Voice 11: very kindly offered here okay

[3:36:19] Voice 7: let's see here i moved the lusketi island local trust committee

[3:36:24] Voice 7: request the staff update the meeting location of the may 4th 2026 july 6th 2026 and february 1st

[3:36:30] Voice 7: 2027 at to the community the lusketi island community hall great

[3:36:37] Voice 11: moved and i have a seconder

[3:36:39] Voice 11: or yep seconded by trustee peterson any more discussion motions clear

[3:36:46] Voice 11: all right i'll call the vote all those in favor and that is carried thank you so the second

[3:36:57] Voice 11: resolution was asking um that we update the meeting location of the november 23rd 2026

[3:37:05] Voice 11: meeting to electronic and just a bit of background on this the november or sorry at the

[3:37:13] Voice 11: the december 17th executive committee meeting the logistical concern was noted that there are 13

[3:37:22] Voice 11: local trust committee meetings scheduled in a three-week period between november and december

[3:37:28] Voice 11: 2026 trust council meetings as a new executive committee will have just been formed the week

[3:37:36] Voice 11: prior and chair assignments made at that time it will be logistically difficult for executive

[3:37:42] Voice 11: committee members to travel to all these various local trust committee meetings back to back.

[3:37:49] Voice 11: So the recommendation was made that all the first meetings of the local trust committee

[3:37:56] Voice 11: of the new term be made electronic. So if we can heed the wise advice there and somebody could make

[3:38:07] Voice 11: a motion to update the meeting location of the november 23rd 2026 location to electronic go ahead

[3:38:14] Voice 11: trustee peterson i

[3:38:20] Voice 4: move that the luskete island local trust committee request staff to update

[3:38:23] Voice 4: the meeting location of the november 23rd 2026 um to electronic thank

[3:38:31] Voice 11: you do i have second or

[3:38:32] Voice 11: seconded by trustee laroni any discussion uh

[3:38:36] Voice 4: just noting um you know part of the discussion

[3:38:39] Voice 4: part of the discussion at executive committee is that we don't know which vice chairs will be

[3:38:47] Voice 4: appointed where and whether it would even be physically possible for them to make all of the

[3:38:52] Voice 4: meetings that are in scheduled in that very tight time frame all the local trust committees have

[3:39:00] Voice 4: been requested to switch these initial meetings to electronic so that we don't unintentionally

[3:39:05] Voice 4: create a in uh you know an impossible tangle of logistics for those new uh the folks holding

[3:39:14] Voice 4: those positions after after the election okay

[3:39:18] Voice 11: yeah that's true uh planner bo thanks

[3:39:22] Voice 2: sir i just

[3:39:23] Voice 2: just noticed a typo in the suggested resolution on your agenda and just uh noting that it probably

[3:39:29] Voice 2: I probably should say after 2026, it should say Liskety Island Local Trust Committee regular business meeting.

[3:39:40] Voice 2: So that it says the Liskety Island Local Trust Committee request staff update the meeting location of the November 23rd, 2026 Liskety Island Local Trust Committee regular business meeting to electronic.

[3:39:55] Voice 2: So it's clear which meeting on November 23rd you're referring to.

[3:40:00] Voice 2: So that's my mistake on the agenda cover there.

[3:40:05] Voice 11: That's okay.

[3:40:09] Voice 11: We did have a seconder already.

[3:40:11] Voice 11: So why don't we just defeat this motion and do another one?

[3:40:17] Voice 11: All right.

[3:40:19] Voice 11: All those in favor?

[3:40:23] Voice 11: Any opposed?

[3:40:27] Voice 11: One opposed, two opposed, three opposed.

[3:40:29] Voice 11: Okay, that fails.

[3:40:30] Voice 11: And we'll start again.

[3:40:31] Voice 11: So if you want to make the motion, just adding the wording. Thanks.

[3:40:41] Voice 4: I move that the Liskety Island Local Trust Committee request staff to update the meeting location of the November 23, 2026 Liskety Island Local Trust Committee regular business meeting to electronic.

[3:40:53] Voice 11: Excellent. Moved. Seconded by Trustee Laroni. Any more discussion? All those in favor, raise your hand or say aye.

[3:41:04] Voice 11: excellent that is carried thank you everybody for your work today um i think that concludes

[3:41:14] Voice 11: our business is there any reason we should stick around or call for adjournment okay all those in

[3:41:23] Voice 11: favor raise your hand and say bye bye