Islands Trust Council community information meeting, February 10, 2026

[0:00:00] of Coast Salish

[0:00:01] Voice 12: peoples, and specifically the Connecticut tribe, and it's my honor to

[0:00:08] Voice 12: ask Chief Jack to come and say a couple words to open the meeting in a good way today.

[0:00:30] Voice 15: I want to thank everyone for coming, thank everyone for inviting us here, I want to give

[0:00:39] Voice 15: Thanks to our self plan for coming. Our self plan of Connecticut is here supporting us and supporting our endeavors. We really look to our elders for guidance in our strategic planning.

[0:00:55] Voice 15: Our motto as council is that the endeavors that we pursue is elder-approved, youth-sanctioned and rooted in culture and language.

[0:01:13] Voice 15: So I'm really grateful our elders are here to be able to be here and witness what we have going.

[0:01:20] Voice 15: and our Council. I'm ever so grateful for our Council to be here. The majority of our

[0:01:26] Voice 15: Council is here and I want to thank them for being here and taking the time to come and

[0:01:32] Voice 15: sit and be here with us. Generally it's Kenny that's here and Michelle that's here. So you've

[0:01:39] Voice 15: got a full house with us today and want to remind us we're all on the unceded territory

[0:01:46] Voice 15: of the canada people um and i want to welcome everybody and thank you for the opportunity

[0:02:04] Voice 10: okay so we have an agenda before us and i have a recommendation for

[0:02:09] Voice 13: reordering

[0:02:11] Voice 13: um item 16.1 to be the third item in our applications and referral section

[0:02:18] Voice 13: and

[0:02:19] Voice 12: then I also want to note that at the before we close the community information meeting

[0:02:30] Voice 12: I want to give space for Penelaket elders and members to speak as well so just be advised

[0:02:38] Voice 12: that that's anything else on the agenda from

[0:02:43] Voice 10: trustees today okay so connected by general

[0:02:47] Voice 10: consent we will adopt the agenda as amended yes

[0:02:50] Voice 10: sense absolutely okay so let's get right into the

[0:02:54] Voice 15: trustee reports

[0:02:55] Voice 12: who'd like to go first

[0:02:58] Voice 15: thank you all right um let me know if you can't hear me back there

[0:03:04] Voice 15: uh our

[0:03:05] Voice 15: last lgc meeting was december 9th almost two months ago i hope everyone's been really well

[0:03:11] Voice 15: had a good holiday um i'll keep it short there's been a lot of activity at the isles trust um

[0:03:19] Voice 15: budget budget budget we're deep into budget discussions i think there's a clear direction

[0:03:25] Voice 15: that we're looking for savings and how to do more with less if anybody wants to dig in i encourage

[0:03:33] Voice 15: you to visit the alice trust website under the accountability tab you'll find more detailed

[0:03:39] Voice 15: detailed information on the budget.

[0:03:41] Voice 15: Some of the key themes for this budget

[0:03:43] Voice 15: is that the October, 2026 local elections

[0:03:49] Voice 15: are projected to be about twice as expensive

[0:03:51] Voice 15: as they were last time.

[0:03:52] Voice 15: And we're taking, we have a good understanding

[0:03:55] Voice 15: of resourcing our reconciliation initiatives

[0:03:58] Voice 15: and our communications work.

[0:04:00] Voice 15: Those are the essential pieces for this budget.

[0:04:04] Voice 15: The full budget figures and line by line details

[0:04:07] Voice 15: It starts on page 17 of the January 21st, 2026 Financial Planning Committee Agenda.

[0:04:17] Voice 15: Like I said, a big takeaway for me from what I've seen and from what I've heard is that

[0:04:22] Voice 15: the trust is tightening its belt, but it's not going to step back from climate action,

[0:04:26] Voice 15: from reconciliation, or from stewardship.

[0:04:29] Voice 15: In my committee work, I started with the Honest Trust Conservancy following elections last

[0:04:35] Voice 15: month.

[0:04:36] Voice 15: i'm pleased to share that i'm a chair of the alice trust conservancy board again

[0:04:42] Voice 15: and i'm equally happy to share that my sheriff will continue on in his role as my sheriff

[0:04:48] Voice 15: it's been an honor to uh support to share my time with the alice trust conservancy

[0:04:55] Voice 15: um i'm also on the accessibility committee and we're looking towards a draft eventually mandated

[0:05:02] Voice 15: accessibility action plan

[0:05:04] Voice 15: for the whole trust area.

[0:05:07] Voice 15: It's a newly formed

[0:05:08] Voice 15: trust committee. We held our

[0:05:10] Voice 15: first elections, during which I was

[0:05:12] Voice 15: acclaimed chair of that committee.

[0:05:15] Voice 15: And Lisa

[0:05:16] Voice 15: Nissen, who lives in the NILO,

[0:05:18] Voice 15: you might not recognize her name,

[0:05:20] Voice 15: she will be our vice

[0:05:22] Voice 15: chair. Lisa

[0:05:24] Voice 15: is a

[0:05:26] Voice 15: trust area resident. Our committee

[0:05:28] Voice 15: comprises of elected

[0:05:29] Voice 15: elected trustees and trust area residents.

[0:05:33] Voice 15: This idea is to represent individuals with disabilities

[0:05:36] Voice 15: or who support individuals with disabilities.

[0:05:40] Voice 15: Not sure we have many committees

[0:05:41] Voice 15: that have trust residents as members.

[0:05:47] Voice 15: And on the governance committee,

[0:05:49] Voice 15: where I have been serving as ex-officio

[0:05:52] Voice 15: for the Amish Trust Conservancy,

[0:05:54] Voice 15: I've been appointed to a full voting member now

[0:05:57] Voice 15: following trustee middleton's departure and i'd like to thank chair peterson for nominating me

[0:06:03] Voice 15: for that webinars uh lately december 10th i attended the protecting the shoreline a shared

[0:06:10] Voice 15: responsibility webinar brought together from the pacific salmon foundation green shores the

[0:06:17] Voice 15: mouth and the malahat nation topics that we covered were uh shoreline armoring things like

[0:06:23] Voice 15: seawalls and riprap and how these are harmful to the nearshore habitat or uh orangefish and

[0:06:31] Voice 15: other species of life the green shores offers a practical site-specific nature-based shoreline

[0:06:39] Voice 15: design outlines and the speakers from the malahat

[0:06:42] Voice 15: nation spoke about indigenous-led

[0:06:44] Voice 15: clan garden restoration which supports biodiversity food security and shoreline resilience

[0:06:51] Voice 15: The recordings are on

[0:06:54] Voice 1: the Isles Trust

[0:06:54] Voice 15: YouTube page, it's already had 78 views, and I really

[0:06:58] Voice 15: recommend watching it if you're involved or just plain interested in shoreline work.

[0:07:03] Voice 15: And on February 14th, I attended the webinar, Climate Adaptions, Rain Gardens and Other

[0:07:10] Voice 15: Nature-Based Solutions.

[0:07:12] Voice 15: Tara Scott from the CRD spoke about development, how development alters watershed functions

[0:07:17] Voice 15: and the climate trends that we need to plan for in the future, the drier summers and the heavier winter storms and more intense rainfall events.

[0:07:27] Voice 15: She focused on how rain gardens, like how they work, the siting rules, simple sizing, the soils, the planting and the maintenance.

[0:07:38] Voice 15: It's a good workshop.

[0:07:40] Voice 15: And then from Gayne Riola, fellow made pollen, pollen heap,

[0:07:44] Voice 15: shares some very practical approaches on building gardens that will retain water,

[0:07:52] Voice 15: resilient soils, making soils and composting, biochar, low-till practices,

[0:08:01] Voice 15: the use of mulch in forest gardens.

[0:08:03] Voice 15: Common theme was clear that mimicking natural hydrology protects the use of nature, natural plants or native plants and circle planning before you dig.

[0:08:16] Voice 15: And as of this morning, the video of the webinar is posted on the YouTube page.

[0:08:25] Voice 15: Finally, the next webinar in the Stuart education series is on March 4th and this one will deal

[0:08:34] Voice 15: with fallow deer management, so it should be a good one and speaking of trust programs,

[0:08:40] Voice 15: I have a trust programs committee meeting tomorrow. I'll

[0:08:43] Voice 15: leave it there. There's been

[0:08:44] Voice 15: a lot of stuff I could go on, but that's enough.

[0:08:47] Voice 13: Thank you, Trustee Gover. Trustee

[0:08:49] Voice 6: Yeah, thanks. Thanks, Lisa.

[0:08:52] Voice 6: Well, clearly, this is not a regular meeting.

[0:08:56] Voice 6: Even though it is a regular meeting of the

[0:08:57] Voice 6: committee, it's something different that's happening today.

[0:09:02] Voice 6: And I want to thank everybody who's

[0:09:04] Voice 6: ventured here today, whether you came across the water last night

[0:09:08] Voice 6: or today. For me to

[0:09:11] Voice 6: see so many of the people in this room

[0:09:17] Voice 6: is really

[0:09:18] Voice 6: heartwarming.

[0:09:21] Voice 6: You know, always when I first became trustee and we started to work with Ken Thomas and try and get connected with the Penelope again,

[0:09:30] Voice 6: I would never have dreamed that this was where we would get three years later.

[0:09:36] Voice 6: So it's great. It's great to see everybody here. I'm looking forward to working on these applications today.

[0:09:44] Voice 6: And for me, the only sort of hard part is I wish Lloyd Baines was in the room.

[0:09:50] Voice 6: um my father-in-law i know how much this would have meant to him as well at fervent

[0:09:55] Voice 6: college so um you know

[0:09:57] Voice 12: i'm going to kind of leave it

[0:09:58] Voice 6: there and uh

[0:09:59] Voice 12: turn it over to your chair thanks

[0:10:02] Voice 12: thank you trustee maberly

[0:10:04] Voice 10: uh so for my chair's report first i'm gonna uh echo a little bit of

[0:10:08] Voice 10: what you said i meant to say in the beginning although this is a regular business meeting

[0:10:13] Voice 10: this is actually a pretty special day i think so um and really appreciate the effort that

[0:10:19] Voice 10: one took to get here today um so i'll try and be brief uh i attended the bc municipal

[0:10:28] Voice 10: climate leadership caucus meeting with minister dix on january 12th we've had a couple executive

[0:10:34] Voice 10: committee meetings um and financial planning committee meetings i'll note that on february 18th

[0:10:43] Voice 10: um trust council's committee the whole will be meeting um

[0:10:47] Voice 12: to consider uh the budget before the

[0:10:51] Voice 12: march

[0:10:52] Voice 10: uh trust council meeting which is when we have to have it finalized it's a new um approach

[0:10:58] Voice 10: to have a committee of the whole in advance of the march meeting and i hope that will help um

[0:11:04] Voice 10: help us kind of get to where we need to go a bit to have that extra time and space

[0:11:08] Voice 10: Also attended the BC Ferries local elected officials engagement session with CAO Jimenez on the 22nd.

[0:11:21] Voice 10: Heard from a lot of Islanders at that meeting and the trustee onboarding working group as well.

[0:11:33] Voice 10: And I'm just going to leave it there because we've got a pretty full agenda

[0:11:38] Voice 10: agenda and we've got a lot to get through um so the next is the Town Hall and questions section

[0:11:48] Voice 10: we are going to follow that immediately with the community information meeting so if you have

[0:11:52] Voice 10: questions about uh the rezonings um that are really the major focus for today I'll ask you

[0:12:00] Voice 10: to hold them for the community information meeting part um so any uh comments or questions

[0:12:08] Voice 12: not to do

[0:12:08] Voice 12: with those. Yes, sir.

[0:12:15] Voice 7: I'm the deputy chair

[0:12:17] of the advisory planning

[0:12:19] commission, and unfortunately

[0:12:22] our chair is

[0:12:23] Jillian

[0:12:26] Dustin, who's not able to be here

[0:12:28] today, but I wanted

[0:12:30] to rise and comment

[0:12:32] on the

[0:12:33] Voice 7: referral

[0:12:34] Voice 7: that we were given

[0:12:36] Voice 7: by the trustees

[0:12:40] Voice 7: on the trust

[0:12:43] Voice 15: policy statement and I'm arising today at this point because I'm a little concerned

[0:12:51] Voice 15: that the report we worked really hard on that report in a very short period of time and

[0:12:59] Voice 15: And it is in the agenda on page 29 of the agenda.

[0:13:06] Voice 15: But it's here for only to receive only.

[0:13:10] Voice 15: And what it comments on the referral that

[0:13:16] Voice 7: the trust council sent to the local trust committee

[0:13:18] Voice 15: is until quite late on in the meeting, item number 16.6.

[0:13:24] Voice 15: So I wanted to get out and just reiterate what our main recommendations points were from that report so it doesn't get lost in the sort of in the shuffle.

[0:13:35] Voice 15: So we went through it and we thought one thing that was really

[0:13:40] Voice 15: important was Jason Yeomans, the senior policy advisor, was here at the last meeting for the CIM, the community information meeting about the trust policy statement.

[0:13:50] Voice 15: And the main point he made was that if it's not in the directive, it doesn't really have any impact.

[0:13:57] Voice 15: It's got to be a directive to be taken seriously by a trust committee when you're touching or resuming an application.

[0:14:06] Voice 15: So we used that focus to look at what was in the draft trust policy statement.

[0:14:13] Voice 15: And so, going through what we looked at, we're

[0:14:21] Voice 4: really pleased that reconciliation with Indigenous

[0:14:25] Voice 4: or Indigenous neighbours, Indigenous people

[0:14:27] Voice 15: is a key element of our risk trust policy statement.

[0:14:31] Voice 15: It's about time that the Islands Trust got involved in reconciling

[0:14:37] Voice 4: and involving Indigenous people in the stewardship of the trust area.

[0:14:45] Voice 15: It's kind of disappointing that the directive verging from in the trust policy statement

[0:14:51] Voice 15: is very, very limited.

[0:14:53] Voice 15: There's only one directive and it's almost meaningless in terms of engagement, calling

[0:14:58] Voice 15: on people to engage with Indigenous people.

[0:15:01] Voice 15: It's not very helpful.

[0:15:04] Voice 15: there was mention

[0:15:04] Voice 7: of coal governance in the in the uh in the uh earlier in the in the draft

[0:15:11] Voice 7: pro-government school

[0:15:13] Voice 15: management self-government but nothing in the director even hints of that so

[0:15:18] Voice 15: that's that's why we found that very disappointing um we also found disappointing the lack of

[0:15:25] Voice 15: opportunities for public engagement and participation and our report calls for more

[0:15:31] Voice 15: or another piece of other community information, where members of the public could come and

[0:15:39] Voice 15: understand the trust policy statement and engage with their neighbors about some of

[0:15:44] Voice 15: these issues.

[0:15:45] Voice 15: He needs one of them, you know, very, very limited community information being jammed

[0:15:52] Voice 15: into a last LPC meeting who wasn't out of consultation at all. We also talked about

[0:16:02] Voice 15: the need to move directives, to make directives to limits on growth and development. There

[0:16:10] Voice 15: should be, there are several guiding principles on limiting growth and development, but they're

[0:16:15] Voice 15: they're not in the records, they should be moved into into the

[0:16:21] Voice 15: directives. For example, the precautionary principle, only in

[0:16:24] Voice 15: the

[0:16:25] Voice 7: precautionary principle, using accumulative accounting

[0:16:29] Voice 7: for community effects,

[0:16:31] Voice 15: data driven, that there should be

[0:16:34] Voice 15: built up reports and specific growth and density limits as

[0:16:39] Voice 15: part of the directives. That section we

[0:16:43] Voice 4: found was quite

[0:16:44] Voice 4: wanting. On housing,

[0:16:46] Voice 7: the APC concluded that the only increases in housing density must

[0:16:54] Voice 7: be for affordable housing, affordable workforce housing secured by housing

[0:16:59] Voice 15: agreements. The

[0:17:01] Voice 15: only justification to increase density in the trust area would be for affordable housing.

[0:17:08] Voice 15: We also found in terms of language, a lot of ambiguous language and weak or missing

[0:17:13] Voice 15: definitions for example environment there's no definition of environment in the in the uh in the

[0:17:20] Voice 15: document environment should be the natural environment unless it specifically refers to the

[0:17:26] Voice 15: built environment this is very important the whole number of you know report talking about the issue

[0:17:32] Voice 15: of language and finally uh we also thought there should be directives uh requiring development

[0:17:39] Voice 15: development permit areas in ways to deal with sensitive areas, ways to manage sensitive areas.

[0:17:53] Voice 15: Galliano has many development permit areas. It's not universal for the trust area, and we think it shouldn't be.

[0:18:00] Voice 15: Finally, on the issue

[0:18:02] Voice 7: of cost, it's important to get a break the first time.

[0:18:06] Voice 7: it's been said that well we'll just do this now and we can make changes later well in fact uh

[0:18:13] Voice 7: making changes to the trust policy statement is a cost item it's a project it would require a

[0:18:20] Voice 15: budget to require a staff time and that's the kind of thing that the press council doesn't have

[0:18:26] Voice 15: a lot of money and a lot of extra staff time so we've got to get it right the first time

[0:18:33] Voice 7: and it's important not to rush it because there are a lot of people

[0:18:37] Voice 15: who are calling for various

[0:18:39] Voice 15: changes some similar what we're calling for some different it's important not to rush it you get

[0:18:45] Voice 15: it right the first time because it's very difficult to make changes afterwards thanks very

[0:18:50] Voice 10: much uh thank you and i i just want to take a moment and commend the uh abc for your hard work

[0:18:58] Voice 10: and really detailed

[0:19:00] Voice 10: report.

[0:19:00] Voice 10: I really appreciate that.

[0:19:04] Voice 12: So again,

[0:19:06] Voice 12: questions or comments

[0:19:08] Voice 12: not to do with the

[0:19:09] Voice 12: proposed bylaws coming up

[0:19:12] Voice 12: in the committee information meeting, and

[0:19:14] Voice 12: I'll see if anyone else has anything

[0:19:16] Voice 12: they want to share. Okay, I'm

[0:19:21] Voice 12: not...

[0:19:22] Voice 10: Diana

[0:19:29] Voice 14: Lilly, I'm here

[0:19:31] Voice 14: to read something for

[0:19:32] Voice 14: Patrick Farr.

[0:19:54] Voice 15: Thank you for the opportunity to bring up two points regarding the proposed trust policy

[0:20:00] Voice 15: statement. One is missing history. Number two is missing capacity for present and future

[0:20:11] Voice 15: And this

[0:20:14] Voice 14: is from the March 22 document entitled Extracts from the Island's First Object, Past, Present, and Future.

[0:20:24] Voice 14: Policy statement, the main commandment of the document is that the beauty

[0:20:31] Voice 15: and

[0:20:34] Voice 14: unique

[0:20:35] Voice 15: amenities of the Gulf Islands

[0:20:38] Voice 15: of the islands are the very reasons why the area was

[0:20:41] Voice 15: common to indigenous people for thousands of years.

[0:20:45] Voice 15: This occupation over thousands of years made the foundations

[0:20:49] Voice 15: for the unique environment and emotions of the islands

[0:20:53] Voice 15: as we know them today.

[0:20:55] Voice 15: With two specific recommendations resulting from

[0:20:59] Voice 15: First Nations conservation, land and water use decisions

[0:21:04] Voice 15: decisions cannot be the sole jurisdiction of local trust agencies.

[0:21:11] Voice 15: It should be reviewed within the broader scope of the Islands Trust government structure.

[0:21:18] Voice 14: Number 12. Recognition that limitations must be determined since incremental growth, even

[0:21:25] Voice 14: really intimate incremental growth, erodes the functionality of a fragile and limited

[0:21:32] Voice 14: of ecosystems and resources.

[0:21:38] Voice 15: From analysis, again, extracted from the Islands Trust

[0:21:43] Voice 15: government in 2022, land use trusts

[0:21:47] Voice 15: lack both comprehensive analysis of the trust area's capacity

[0:21:52] Voice 15: to sustain current population and activity,

[0:21:56] Voice 14: and its ability to accommodate more growth in development,

[0:22:00] Voice 14: especially in the light of climate change

[0:22:03] Voice 14: and other considerations.

[0:22:04] Voice 15: In summary, the proposed trust policy statement must include direct attention to meaningful

[0:22:13] Voice 15: computational information in order to protect and preserve the unique amenities of their

[0:22:21] Voice 15: unseated land in the trust community.

[0:22:25] Voice 15: The Islands Trust must undertake a comprehensive analysis of the trust area's capacity to

[0:22:31] Voice 15: it's been current and projected in order to fulfill its mandate to protect and preserve the

[0:22:39] Voice 15: test area that's from acacia hey thank

[0:22:46] Voice 12: you and i think i saw the other hand over here

[0:23:09] Voice 15: I just want to ask you to try to speak up a little bit.

[0:23:30] Voice 15: this is a very crucial document um it hasn't been amended since 1995 and it's not going to

[0:23:38] Voice 15: be

[0:23:38] Voice 15: the event. It's a budget, you know, one and done. And

[0:23:47] Voice 15: consultation online. I understand the meeting. We are

[0:24:01] Voice 15: talking about a really, you know, document that has a lot of

[0:24:05] Voice 15: should be debated and covered.

[0:24:07] Voice 15: should be present as well.

[0:24:10] Voice 9: So

[0:24:11] Voice 15: we can continue the dialogue.

[0:24:13] Voice 15: And to cram it into the bottom of this

[0:24:16] Voice 15: it should be .

[0:24:20] Voice 15: This is a

[0:24:20] Voice 14: historical .

[0:24:22] Voice 14: I for one have wanted to see some of the

[0:24:25] Voice 14: achieve death .

[0:24:31] Voice 15: So many members of

[0:24:32] Voice 15: council, people

[0:24:33] Voice 15: People are really expecting, keeping in mind that the Coastal English have been versed this time in the world, specifically in North Carolina.

[0:24:41] Voice 15: They were not just fishers and loggers, they were farmers, they harvested plants from the forest and medicinal plants they still do.

[0:24:49] Voice 15: They made canoes, they harvested sea lions and seals and whales. It was a very, very rich environment.

[0:25:00] Voice 15: And when we first came to Diablo, there were indigenous families on the desert, and they

[0:25:05] Voice 15: were moved away because Indian adventure came to the structure.

[0:25:10] Voice 15: So now we have some of the best

[0:25:11] Voice 14: land on the island, just so you know.

[0:25:14] Voice 14: The land that was haunted by the

[0:25:17] Voice 15: Department of Defense is now vacant.

[0:25:20] Voice 15: The co-stayers know that you have a very important role to play here at the bottom of the question.

[0:25:30] Voice 15: So I really would urge the student trust team to be very compassionate and understanding about the different issues

[0:25:38] Voice 15: to postpone this trust policy statement.

[0:25:42] Voice 15: There has to be a more healthy future for everyone. Thank you.

[0:25:53] Voice 15: I have a couple of questions, and it relates to a policy statement, how many comments you

[0:26:03] Voice 15: got?

[0:26:03] Voice 15: Because the date for public comments is over.

[0:26:07] Voice 15: So I'm wondering how many comments you got, it seems like a lot, but I wanted to add it

[0:26:12] Voice 15: up.

[0:26:13] Voice 15: And then my second, I guess it's Kim who probably has the answer to this.

[0:26:19] Voice 15: uh the second part is how are you going to like what's the process to deal with all those comments

[0:26:25] Voice 15: is there a committee to discuss the different comments what will be appropriate what won't

[0:26:31] Voice 15: what's the process i'm very unclear about that because you know it's not easy

[0:26:36] Voice 15: i don't

[0:26:41] Voice 10: know how i don't know how many comments um and uh yes

[0:26:46] Voice 15: um so um i don't work on the policy

[0:26:49] Voice 15: a policy statement specifically, but my understanding is that Jason Eumanns, who is the policy advisor

[0:26:58] Voice 1: who's working

[0:26:59] Voice 15: on this project, he's going to review the comments received to date. That's

[0:27:07] Voice 15: why there was a deadline in early February, and my guess would be he'd be pulling out

[0:27:13] Voice 15: common themes that he's seen in those correspondence, and then there's going to be a staff meeting

[0:27:19] Voice 15: report for the march trust council meeting correspondence can still be received even now

[0:27:26] Voice 15: but it won't be a part of the analysis that staff will be doing and i don't know the number of the

[0:27:33] Voice 15: pieces of correspondence but the ones that i've been cc'd on it's tremendous the amount of

[0:27:38] Voice 15: correspondence that we've been receiving so i couldn't give you a number i was going to check

[0:27:42] Voice 15: the website quickly but uh i don't have an attorney right now so there's no like public

[0:27:47] Voice 15: a committee or an advisory committee or something like that. I've done this kind of work myself.

[0:27:52] Voice 15: You get a lot of comments and you might be conflicting. You usually have some sort of

[0:27:57] Voice 15: advisory committee to help you sift out what you're going to incorporate and what you're not

[0:28:03] Voice 15: and justify it. And it seems from what I'm hearing you say that one person, I mean, he's a great

[0:28:11] Voice 15: person, but that doesn't mean anything. You know, he's still one person, that he doesn't have some

[0:28:17] Voice 15: sort of public advisory committee to help him look at all

[0:28:21] Voice 15: those comments and that to me is a great

[0:28:23] Voice 15: concern um even though i recognize what a fantastic individual he is thanks

[0:28:29] Voice 10: yeah i know uh trustee

[0:28:31] Voice 10: beverly has a comment but just before we get there um i'm pretty sure that jason's not doing all the

[0:28:37] Voice 10: work on his own um and it's uh it's totally possible that trust council will refer some

[0:28:45] Voice 10: of work back to trust programs committee which did a lot of work um uh leading up to the first

[0:28:51] Voice 10: meeting in july last year

[0:28:53] Voice 6: yeah a couple of comments um so um you know inputs being received

[0:29:01] Voice 6: and um you know i'll just make a note even though the whatever they called it the web page or

[0:29:07] Voice 6: something is shut down now if you continue to send to cc all the trustees because we get it then

[0:29:13] Voice 6: and um you know jason's going to do his job and then at march trust council i assume there's

[0:29:19] Voice 6: going to be some sort of formulation of everything that's been received so far i've been really clear

[0:29:24] Voice 6: on this um i think the trust policy statement is trying i think they're trying to hurry it

[0:29:30] Voice 6: i think i'm opposed to that i think this is something that needs to be um you need to have

[0:29:37] Voice 6: the public process reach its fruition before you actually come up with a final document there's

[0:29:43] Voice 6: There's been no way near enough consultation from a Galliano perspective with the Penelope

[0:29:49] Voice 6: tribe and, you know, hearing from other LTCs as well from their local nation.

[0:29:56] Voice 6: So I don't see in any way how this gets through.

[0:30:00] Voice 6: in this term and because we just have so much more work to do to make sure that um all the public

[0:30:07] Voice 6: comments no matter who they're from have been have been done so um we'll see in march what

[0:30:12] Voice 6: what jason comes up with thank

[0:30:15] Voice 15: you for that that's amazing thank you yes just

[0:30:21] Voice 15: a quick one

[0:30:21] Voice 15: if there is more conversation we can have a time where we can

[0:30:25] Voice 14: open the time i in the weekend or

[0:30:28] Voice 14: right um having this talk to a young person because moved here trying to start her life

[0:30:34] Voice 14: trying to get her business going and she's she can't come she has to do a business

[0:30:42] Voice 12: okay um anything else are we ready to move into the community information meeting i think we're

[0:30:51] Voice 10: ready to move into the community information meeting so i'm going to pass over flannery

[0:30:54] Voice 10: Thank

[0:30:55] Voice 15: you. I would like to introduce myself. My name is Kim Stoffel, and I've been working as a planner with the Islands Trust for about 13, 14 years.

[0:31:06] Voice 15: And I think this is, I think, the most amount of people we've had at an LTC meeting in quite some time.

[0:31:14] Voice 15: So I'd just like to thank everybody for being here today.

[0:31:17] Voice 15: day uh so just to kind of go over the two processes in front of us what we're doing now

[0:31:24] Voice 15: is a community information meeting what that means is it's an opportunity for those to ask

[0:31:30] Voice 15: questions about two rezoning applications uh you can ask questions to the ltc to myself well you

[0:31:38] Voice 15: should always direct the questions to the ltc but i'm here as well as the applicants and then after

[0:31:44] Voice 15: After we do the question and answer portion, which is the community information meeting,

[0:31:49] Voice 15: we move into the public hearing portion.

[0:31:52] Voice 15: And that's more a formal process where you have the ability to speak in favor of the

[0:31:59] Voice 15: bylaws or not in favor of the bylaws and for those reasons, if you'd like to state that.

[0:32:05] Voice 15: So right now is the community information meeting, and I'm just going to highlight the

[0:32:10] Voice 15: two rezoning applications that we're discussing today.

[0:32:13] Voice 15: The two rezoning applications are for District lot 85 and 86, and those two subject properties currently are zoned Forest 1, and the Forest 1 zone does not permit residential use.

[0:32:28] Voice 15: The applicants are proposing to rezone their separate parcels to allow residential uses, as well as a forest-free use, which allows a dwelling unit, but there must be a sustainable forestry covenant registered on that piece of property,

[0:32:54] Voice 15: as well as a nature protection portion and a park portion for district lot 85 uh there is a proposal

[0:33:04] Voice 15: for five rural residential lots um the larger nature protection lot will be transferred to

[0:33:12] Voice 15: um and there's a community park um as well as i mentioned the forest three and that's similar

[0:33:21] Voice 15: alert for district lot 86 which is right to the north um it will if the application is successful

[0:33:30] Voice 15: and moves forward to subdivision there would be a creation of two resident rural residential lots

[0:33:37] Voice 15: a community park nature protection portion which would be transferred to penelaket as well as a

[0:33:44] Voice 15: forest three zone plot so in terms of process the rezoning application must come first and

[0:33:52] Voice 15: the ltc gives readings to the bylaws first second and third reading all four bylaws to date have

[0:34:02] Voice 15: received second reading so the process is to hold the public hearing after that the comment portion

[0:34:10] Voice 15: is closed and the LTC has the decision to give third reading to the bylaws the bylaws then go

[0:34:18] Voice 15: to the islands trust executive committee for approval and the OCP bylaws go to the minister

[0:34:24] Voice 15: for approval and to date those that approval takes about three or four months so there's some time

[0:34:30] Voice 15: there once the bylaws are successfully adopted the applicant can then move forward to the

[0:34:38] Voice 15: subdivision application um as part of the rezoning application there are going to be some covenants

[0:34:47] Voice 15: registered on title those covenants will require sustainable forestry practices on the f3 portion

[0:34:55] Voice 15: they'll require the applicants to subdivide the land in accordance with the site plan they've

[0:35:02] Voice 15: provided as well as ensuring that the land is transferred to penelaket at the time the

[0:35:10] Voice 15: subdivision application is successful so although

[0:35:13] Voice 15: the rezoning application may be completed the the

[0:35:17] Voice 15: land won't be transferred then it has to go through the subdivision process and once the

[0:35:22] Voice 15: the land title office receives that subdivision plan that's when the process of title can be

[0:35:28] Voice 15: transferred to penelaket and any other bodies that are receiving land um i think i'm going

[0:35:36] Voice 15: to leave it there again this is the question answer portion so if you have any questions

[0:35:41] Voice 15: um certainly this is the time to pass up and i would like to say thank you everybody

[0:35:46] Voice 10: so thank you doctor so i will

[0:35:49] Voice 12: look for questions i see one back here

[0:35:54] Voice 14: i have a

[0:35:55] Voice 15: question i've been going through all the documents online opening one at a time

[0:36:00] Voice 15: um but i may have missed something so i just wanted clarification around the proposals of

[0:36:08] Voice 15: both of these on the status of what is now a paved road going through the property

[0:36:15] Voice 1: So

[0:36:16] Voice 15: I want to know what the future of that role will be. I did read that the emergency lane is very important, but what I'm not clear on is what good that's going to do if there isn't an emergency step to join one of those roles too, like at the moment.

[0:36:41] Voice 15: only because you don't know how long it's going to take. Anyway,

[0:36:50] Voice 15: what is the future of that? Will it become a dedicated role?

[0:36:54] Voice 15: For the chair? That's an excellent question and something

[0:36:59] Voice 15: I didn't bring up. So thank you for that. So there will the

[0:37:03] Voice 15: staff are recommending as a condition of pilot option for

[0:37:08] Voice 15: the property owners of district lot 85 to register that statutory right-of-way in compliance with the

[0:37:15] Voice 15: road network plan um the uh draft covenants will also mention the the portion of eastman or that

[0:37:24] Voice 15: existing access that bisects both 85 and 86 will be transferred as part of the subdivision

[0:37:33] Voice 15: application so it will be dedicated road access so that will be a part of the subdivision application

[0:37:40] Voice 15: okay so that will come it's being transferred or that will be happening at subdivision that's

[0:37:48] Voice 15: correct so the remainder of that lot is what will be transferred to the note that's correct yes okay

[0:37:56] Voice 15: find that written anywhere. I'm very glad to hear that because I've heard that there's

[0:38:07] Voice 15: concern about when it's necessary opening the road, but I think it's very important

[0:38:13] Voice 15: for it to be dedicated so that it can be used as an emergency route for traffic on

[0:38:19] Voice 15: Galliano and the Fortier Passage walk. We need to have that ultimately. And the people

[0:38:25] Voice 15: who may live in this future development need that too um so it's just critically important i have

[0:38:32] Voice 15: been involved in transportation planning on down here and when i was a trustee

[0:38:39] Voice 15: worked on it so to me it's got to be done that's the power of the lcd

[0:38:55] Voice 12: any other questions i see a hand a couple hands in the back here sandy

[0:39:24] Voice 15: through the chair no we do not

[0:39:32] Voice 15: through the chair the applicants have said that yes they have been and were they

[0:39:37] Voice 15: a referral agency as well

[0:39:44] Voice 9: I believe

[0:40:00] Voice 15: they were not a part of the referrals for the bylaws

[0:40:07] Voice 15: Yeah, I don't know what their conditions are for accepting a piece of land that goes to a sustainable environment.

[0:40:19] The Ministry of Environment and Parks is interested in establishing a public vehicle access to the turf.

[0:40:27] And I think that this

[0:40:30] Voice 15: is not something that is supported by the Connecticut, that's my understanding.

[0:40:35] Voice 15: ending. So is this a deal-breaker for Penelakut if that were to happen?

[0:40:43] Voice 15: Can you repeat that?

[0:40:44] Voice 15: The Ministry of Environment and Parks is interested in establishing a company

[0:40:49] Voice 15: to be able to access to the ECO. And if this happens, it would be a deal-breaker for Penelakut.

[0:41:01] Voice 8: Through

[0:41:04] Voice 15: the Chair, I can't speak on behalf of Penelakut, but the conversations I've had with

[0:41:08] Voice 15: dc park staff is they actually want that access restricted they don't want the road access they

[0:41:15] Voice 15: want to ensure that that gate is kept closed at the north end of district lot 86 where the

[0:41:21] Voice 15: provincial park borders yeah yeah they have mentioned that in the referral but they say

[0:41:32] Voice 15: and

[0:41:33] Voice 12: thank you very much thank you i think i saw another pad back in here somewhere

[0:41:38] Voice 12: i

[0:41:41] Voice 8: just wanted to mention

[0:41:43] Voice 12: in the

[0:41:47] Voice 7: south report there's mention of gates that the

[0:41:57] Voice 7: The Galeano

[0:41:59] Voice 15: Parks and Rec may not want to take on the park land

[0:42:04] Voice 15: because of the...

[0:42:08] Voice 15: What state are you referring to there?

[0:42:11] Voice 15: I'm sorry.

[0:42:13] Voice 15: Through the chair.

[0:42:14] Voice 15: So with the initial discussions I've had with Justine Stark at the CRD,

[0:42:19] Voice 15: she's had informal discussions with the Galeano Parks and Recreation Commission

[0:42:23] Voice 15: and land that they receive as community park must have public access so their initial um review of

[0:42:32] Voice 15: the bylaws is that they wouldn't want the gates restricted they would want the gates open so

[0:42:37] Voice 15: that's an ongoing conversation that we're going to be having with the parks and recreation

[0:42:42] Voice 15: well what what gates are you referring to we're talking about when all is said and done it's

[0:42:48] Voice 15: to be one gate only one gate i understand from previous answers there will be only one

[0:42:59] Voice 7: through the

[0:43:01] Voice 15: chair my understanding is the gates that are currently existing right now would remain

[0:43:11] Voice 15: so there wouldn't be access to this park

[0:43:16] Voice 15: this is something that we have an ongoing discussion that will happen between the

[0:43:21] Voice 15: applicant, Connecticut, and also

[0:43:23] Voice 15: the Parks and Recreation Commission.

[0:43:28] Voice 15: So how would you get

[0:43:30] Voice 15: access? How would it

[0:43:31] Voice 15: be a public part of it?

[0:43:34] Voice 15: You have to go through a lot of gate.

[0:43:37] Voice 15: That's the big question. That's something we still

[0:43:39] Voice 15: have to work on. What does

[0:43:42] Voice 15: that look like? Are the gates going to remain where

[0:43:44] Voice 15: they are right now?

[0:43:46] Voice 15: So that's something that we're still working on.

[0:43:48] Voice 15: We don't have answers for that yet.

[0:43:50] Voice 15: Why would you...

[0:43:52] Voice 15: That seems like a really important

[0:43:54] Voice 15: question in terms of

[0:44:06] Voice 15: why would you bring this to public hearing when these important questions aren't known

[0:44:15] Voice 15: it's

[0:44:24] Voice 12: ahead over here good

[0:44:27] Voice 7: afternoon thank you for coming from the

[0:44:33] Voice 7: very important to me to be able to work with you my name is frank award

[0:44:37] Voice 7: and i'm the chair of the galileo arts commission

[0:44:48] Voice 7: first off i will we will work with the penelope we will defer to what your needs are

[0:45:17] Voice 7: My big question is there's an area 7a and 7b and it's separated so I have no understanding

[0:45:26] Voice 7: planning where there's two different areas that would

[0:45:29] Voice 13: become potentially given to the

[0:45:37] Voice 7: park to hear about it and how we can and what I can bring back to our commission and how

[0:45:46] Voice 7: we can work.

[0:45:47] Voice 7: Just

[0:45:52] Voice 15: taking a look now at the site plan in terms of the 7a and 7b so I can just answer

[0:45:57] Voice 15: my question.

[0:46:05] Voice 15: So 7a is in reference to the park zone or the land that will be potentially zoned park.

[0:46:13] Voice 15: 7a is on district lot 85 and that is intended potentially to be transferred to the parks

[0:46:21] Voice 15: and rec commission and then 7b I'm wondering if that's in reference to lot 86 and just

[0:46:27] Voice 15: now

[0:46:28] Voice 9: let's see the seven

[0:46:33] Voice 15: feet oh

[0:46:37] Voice 9: pardon me yes down

[0:46:38] Voice 15: so so i think that's and that's something

[0:46:45] Voice 15: i have to clarify with applicant and thank you very much for bringing that in bringing that to

[0:46:49] Voice 15: our attention it is currently still zoned as a part of a forestry lot um i believe that was

[0:46:56] Voice 15: originally there as if they had to or the applicant had to address um access to the

[0:47:03] Voice 15: foreshore is part of the subdivision application but um my understanding is that it's actually

[0:47:08] Voice 15: being absorbed into the forest free lot but i'm just saying right now we'll keep

[0:47:25] Voice 13: Yeah, that sliver that should have been from the

[0:47:29] Voice 15: site. Yeah. Okay. So that's going to be absorbed. It's a part of the forest. We want. Okay.

[0:47:41] Voice 12: And then I see Michelle next question

[0:47:47] Voice 15: keeps getting asked.

[0:48:12] Voice 3: access. Okay.

[0:48:15] Voice 15: Really important that we protect that area, Denise, you know,

[0:48:27] Voice 15: really need something to make that clear. The gates are important to us.

[0:48:38] Voice 3: to

[0:48:39] Voice 15: limit the access. There's already a lot of access already.

[0:48:44] Voice 15: On

[0:48:45] Voice 7: behalf of

[0:48:46] Voice 7: my healthier colleagues, I

[0:48:49] Voice 3: just

[0:48:54] Voice 15: had to make

[0:48:55] Voice 15: that clear. This is for the employees that limit

[0:48:59] the access. This is a question and answer period.

[0:49:05] We

[0:49:09] Voice 15: want to get the help in the community

[0:49:16] Voice 15: of Galliano. Like I said, I know the residents

[0:49:21] Voice 12: The residents on Galliano

[0:49:22] Voice 15: aren't going anywhere.

[0:49:28] Voice 7: This is our home.

[0:49:30] Voice 7: We've got our elders right here to confirm that.

[0:49:35] Voice 7: I always ask this in my mind all the time.

[0:49:41] Voice 7: I was taking from my soul to meet them.

[0:49:48] Voice 7: Cut all this red cake just to get

[0:49:51] Voice 7: a little bit back.

[0:49:52] Voice 7: This

[0:49:56] Voice 15: is where we're coming from.

[0:49:57] Voice 15: This is our home.

[0:50:00] Voice 13: The elders were getting off the bus last night.

[0:50:07] Voice 13: This could shed a little bit of light on where

[0:50:09] Voice 7: we're coming from.

[0:50:21] Voice 7: The iceberg and all of these

[0:50:34] Voice 15: other things.

[0:50:35] Voice 15: We're

[0:50:47] Voice 9: doing something else right now.

[0:50:48] Voice 9: And it's

[0:50:51] Voice 15: all of this, this important task.

[0:50:59] Voice 7: Holy cow, we have so much stuff to go through just to get a little bit of our hand up.

[0:51:07] Voice 8: I want to thank you.

[0:51:30] Voice 15: it's about the protection of the sites of significance um that our elders hold here

[0:51:40] Voice 15: it's not about barriers it's about working together to come together and try and find

[0:51:46] Voice 15: to find a solution that works for everything.

[0:51:52] Also wanted to mention that we've been doing work

[0:51:55] on the college rear for about 19 years now.

[0:51:59] We've done significant test sites

[0:52:03] Voice 13: on the road there,

[0:52:04] Voice 13: if you walk along the park area,

[0:52:07] Voice 13: you'll see signs of where the big posts used to be

[0:52:11] Voice 6: in that area.

[0:52:13] Voice 6: And it's more or less to protect that bank

[0:52:16] Voice 6: from eroding all the time.

[0:52:18] Voice 13: We've done significant

[0:52:19] Voice 6: work there

[0:52:19] Voice 6: with Colin Greer, and he's from the University of Washington.

[0:52:24] He's helped support our office and our elders

[0:52:27] to go there to help take care of it.

[0:52:29] So just to demonstrate, you know,

[0:52:32] the more fragment that goes over and people like the spraying,

[0:52:37] you know, I'm going to go down the edge of this cliff here.

[0:52:39] You know, it's sort of a pathway.

[0:52:41] And it's more worse, and

[0:52:43] Voice 13: that's why we want to protect it.

[0:52:47] Voice 13: Just some things, you know.

[0:52:48] Voice 13: on it and i don't want to get into the details but i think that we have to follow and send you

[0:52:55] Voice 13: a report on all of the work that he's done you know you'll see the

[0:52:59] Voice 12: work that we've done over

[0:53:01] Voice 12: over the years over the years we've worked with them that's right okay

[0:53:11] Voice 2: and i know i said uh michelle

[0:53:16] Voice 2: okay

[0:53:16] Voice 2: Yeah, for sure.

[0:53:26] Voice 9: Yes.

[0:53:41] Voice 9: Okay.

[0:53:43] Voice 15: Okay.

[0:53:45] Voice 15: Okay.

[0:53:46] Voice 15: Are you going to talk?

[0:53:48] Voice 15: Yeah.

[0:53:49] Voice 15: Okay.

[0:53:51] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:53:52] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:53:53] Voice 3: I'm the F.Y.

[0:53:55] Voice 3: Elders.

[0:53:56] Voice 3: It was the very historical time in the 1920s, 1930s.

[0:54:03] Voice 3: My grandfather, my great-grandfather,

[0:54:09] Voice 3: wouldn't talk about this.

[0:54:10] Voice 3: They couldn't get a lawyer.

[0:54:12] Voice 3: They were automatically jailed

[0:54:15] Voice 3: for defending their property.

[0:54:18] Voice 3: All kinds of changes.

[0:54:20] Voice 3: We're talking about it.

[0:54:21] Voice 3: The Venus brought you guys all from here.

[0:54:25] Voice 3: He's out on your land.

[0:54:27] Voice 3: I have 10 acres out in Keeper Island.

[0:54:31] Voice 3: I'm a ward of the court.

[0:54:34] Voice 3: There's no value on it.

[0:54:36] Voice 3: The guy next to me has 10 acres.

[0:54:38] Voice 3: because his land is worth a million dollars.

[0:54:43] Voice 3: But is my land worth a million dollars?

[0:54:45] Voice 3: No.

[0:54:47] Voice 3: Why is there two different rules here?

[0:54:49] Voice 3: Why?

[0:54:50] Voice 3: I will talk about two different things.

[0:54:53] Voice 3: You know, I'm very happy to come here and attend at Wheaton.

[0:54:58] Voice 3: And yes, our territory is between the four peaks

[0:55:04] Voice 3: of the legal territory,

[0:55:19] Voice 3: We never did sell that.

[0:55:21] Voice 3: This is our territory.

[0:55:23] Voice 3: We never did sell it.

[0:55:25] Voice 3: We never got compensation.

[0:55:27] Voice 3: This is what truth and reconciliation is all about, justifying some of the past, but it

[0:55:34] Voice 3: brings a lot of hard feelings.

[0:55:36] Voice 3: This is our land.

[0:55:38] Voice 3: We owned it for 100 years.

[0:55:40] Voice 3: We owned it longer than that, you know?

[0:55:44] Voice 3: 150 years, we owned it 2,000 years.

[0:55:50] Voice 3: So I'm very grateful for people to open up your minds

[0:55:55] Voice 3: and your heart to think about this.

[0:55:58] Voice 3: I know, I listen to all these gates.

[0:56:02] Voice 3: These barriers are still up yet.

[0:56:04] Voice 3: Oh, we need a gate over there.

[0:56:06] Voice 3: We need a gate over there.

[0:56:12] Voice 3: We don't need gates every time we talk in our territory.

[0:56:18] Voice 3: I said to my father, we have archaeological digs, 46,000 years of wet wilderness sites here.

[0:56:35] Voice 3: We did not destroy that land when it was all the years we lived here.

[0:56:40] Voice 3: We maintained it. All the streams, the mountains, the oceans, we maintained. The fresh water,

[0:56:50] Voice 3: we maintained. We did not destroy it. We did not sell it. But still, that's who we are.

[0:56:58] Voice 3: We are the people of this land. We are the people of this land. And I'm very grateful.

[0:57:09] Voice 3: and for everything that's happening,

[0:57:13] Voice 3: like I said, my grandfather was in jail

[0:57:15] Voice 3: for talking about this.

[0:57:16] Voice 3: Not that I have to change.

[0:57:18] Voice 3: I spoke to my dad.

[0:57:20] Voice 3: With that, I want my elder,

[0:57:24] Voice 3: virus, he got to say a few quick words.

[0:57:27] Voice 3: Virus, Augie, Jill,

[0:57:31] Voice 3: virus, sir.

[0:57:49] Voice 4: I really want to thank

[0:57:51] Voice 4: I'd like the people of Salt Spring for, I don't know if we're invited, but we're here.

[0:58:06] Voice 4: All kind of mixed up because we own Galliana and we own Salt Spring, so...

[0:58:17] Voice 4: It's an honor to be here to listen to the opinions of the residents of Galeano.

[0:58:28] I

[0:58:30] Voice 4: haven't heard anything negative from the people here.

[0:58:35] Voice 4: I heard a statement that there was a meeting with the Penelope people.

[0:58:45] Voice 4: I haven't, never, I wasn't, I didn't make, I don't know if there was one or not.

[0:59:02] Voice 9: I guess

[0:59:04] Voice 4: one of the things that really bothers me is that we don't know what's happened to

[0:59:11] our traditional territory.

[0:59:14] territory. And I know for a fact

[0:59:18] Voice 4: that this area is one of the

[0:59:20] Voice 4: fastest areas for growing. As far as I'm concerned, it's

[0:59:27] Voice 4: already overpopulated. And I don't know if there's a way for

[0:59:33] Voice 4: the island trust people or the provincial government to slow

[0:59:38] Voice 4: it down. We used to come in here, just around the Gulf

[0:59:47] Voice 4: violence. We didn't have to go anywhere to harvest our food. We didn't need the money dollar to feed our families.

[1:00:00] Voice 4: but we can't do that anymore it's the overpopulation and the pollution that's

[1:00:07] Voice 4: being created it really bothers me if there's an area over there and the corporation wants to

[1:00:19] Voice 4: establish some sort of seafood thing they'll give a license to the those people there that was our

[1:00:28] Voice 4: traditional territory for harvesting food not only us but coverage in other areas they have control

[1:00:37] of all the foreshore province.

[1:00:41] Voice 4: So they say, I disagree with that. I don't think they should

[1:00:48] Voice 4: have the control of the entire foreshore in our province. I don't know if you guys ever

[1:00:57] Voice 4: talk to the province about who owns the foreshore? Who's the leader here? Tell me who owns the

[1:01:04] Voice 4: foreshore in this area. Nobody wants to say that they know that they'll shoot you down if you said

[1:01:16] Voice 4: you own it. But I'm happy that the people of the island here recognize that the delegate was the

[1:01:32] owner of this land and

[1:01:33] Voice 4: we're ungrateful for the return of 10 acres of our land.

[1:01:44] Voice 4: I would just say that we don't want 10 acres, we want a whole island.

[1:01:57] Voice 4: I can't even go anywhere to harvest our shellfish or collect our sea urchins or stuff like that.

[1:02:09] I went fishing there one last summer, not last

[1:02:15] Voice 4: summer, the summer before, at DFO, that was where I was fishing.

[1:02:24] Voice 4: Can I see your permit for fishing?

[1:02:29] I dug out my wallet and I showed him my status card.

[1:02:34] And he looked at me, it's not that.

[1:02:36] He said, I want your letter of permission that you can fish.

[1:02:40] I said, no, I don't have to.

[1:02:42] I am an Indian person from this province.

[1:02:46] That was before they changed it to Indian for whatever

[1:02:51] Voice 4: they called it.

[1:02:56] but

[1:02:58] Voice 4: uh he didn't charge me with anything but we it's sad really sad that uh

[1:03:10] can't harvest anything anymore they charge us with trespass

[1:03:16] Voice 4: and stuff like that

[1:03:28] Voice 4: mm-hmm

[1:03:30] Voice 4: Why did they establish a park and then they lock it up?

[1:03:37] Voice 4: Why did they include the peninsular land into the park area?

[1:03:45] Voice 4: So if they put a gate up there, how are we going to access our land over there?

[1:03:55] Voice 4: And wouldn't it be appreciated if the Peninsular people

[1:04:02] Voice 4: are informed on what's happening on our Galliano Island?

[1:04:09] Voice 4: I'm not going to stop saying that it's ours.

[1:04:15] Voice 4: So we never sold it or gave it away.

[1:04:22] Voice 4: They took us on Kippur Island, which is your land here.

[1:04:30] Voice 4: And they won't let us go build anywhere.

[1:04:33] Voice 4: They won't let us harvest anything anymore.

[1:04:36] Voice 4: I better quit here.

[1:04:39] Voice 4: I don't know if this is what you want to hear, gentlemen.

[1:04:42] Voice 4: Thank you, Marius.

[1:04:43] Voice 4: Thank you.

[1:04:54] Voice 9: Auggie, please.

[1:04:55] Voice 9: It's your

[1:04:56] Voice 5: turn to talk about it now.

[1:05:00] Voice 3: Thank you for letting me talk.

[1:05:04] Voice 3: My name is Gene August Sylvester.

[1:05:13] Voice 3: I was born in 1945 in Cooper Island.

[1:05:19] Voice 3: A lady brought me to this world.

[1:05:23] Voice 3: No doctor.

[1:05:25] Voice 3: Hilda Rice brought me to the world.

[1:05:29] Voice 3: Her and her husband Charlie Rice

[1:05:31] Voice 3: I traveled from Norway Island to Cooper Island to bring me to this world, and I'm still thanking them.

[1:05:40] Voice 3: Here I am. The stories I know come from this island, down the north end, where Lucian Peter was the old man that owned the outside lighthouse.

[1:05:58] Voice 3: house he moved from up up island lucian peter and he moved to that lighthouse as soon as we moved

[1:06:09] Voice 3: there and he started fixing the land up there they went there and took these lighthouses away

[1:06:16] Voice 3: so we can't say much about that but he he was the one that fixed it up super island

[1:06:24] Voice 3: All stayed right in that point. Up to Coon Point, we moved up there. We had two long houses there. Two big houses.

[1:06:36] Voice 3: We lived there. Our people had always stayed here. Stayed camped.

[1:06:45] Voice 3: Soon as the salmon started to get, then we'll shoot across the Great River. That's why we stayed there.

[1:06:54] Voice 3: Our people were smart at camping in different places, and that was one of the cool points.

[1:07:03] Voice 3: When we were there, we moved down to Cable Bay because it was blowing, the tide was blowing.

[1:07:10] Voice 3: And we moved to Bald Mountain, up here, Bald Mountain.

[1:07:17] Voice 3: move there, there's a bay there facing south, and the canoes lined up there, boats lined up.

[1:07:26] Voice 3: So we could be looked after by them little bay. Our people were good at camping all over.

[1:07:35] Voice 3: I knew that little canoes and little boats don't make it far.

[1:07:43] Voice 3: It's me and my grandfather paddled through here, come through here, went to La Conner.

[1:07:50] Voice 3: paddle. That wasn't very funny. It was rough. And he said, we better go back home. As soon

[1:07:59] Voice 3: as the tide turns and comes back this way, we'll go back home. We didn't just go when

[1:08:07] Voice 3: the tide told us to go. It's got to be going the right way before we start traveling. Our

[1:08:15] Voice 3: Our people knew how to live on this island, and I used to tell them, aren't you scared?

[1:08:25] Voice 3: No, too late to be scared, we're halfway home.

[1:08:30] Voice 8: I

[1:08:31] Voice 3: said, oh, okay, Grandpa, okay.

[1:08:34] Voice 3: All right.

[1:08:35] Voice 3: Then we do, we learn from our elders how to fish, how to hunt, how to catch only the big fish down here.

[1:08:47] Voice 3: here. All the sea lions and whales come in there. We used to come in from the Falls Mountain

[1:08:58] Voice 3: coming down through this bay to catch the sea lions there. My grandfather says, don't

[1:09:07] Voice 3: get too much. We'll never eat that much. And I'll say, okay. So we did stay down here too.

[1:09:17] Voice 3: too. I went down the end of the point here. I was down there

[1:09:23] Voice 3: camping one day. And there was outside the lighthouse. There

[1:09:29] Voice 3: was a big seal. What's that lady's name again?

[1:09:36] Voice 5: Deplica?

[1:09:37] Voice 3: Oh, oh,

[1:09:40] Voice 5: that

[1:09:41] Voice 3: window. Yeah,

[1:09:43] Voice 5: yeah. I forgot already.

[1:09:48] Voice 3: I had a lady mermaid

[1:09:55] Voice 5: mermaid a

[1:09:57] Voice 3: mermaid a mermaid stayed out that point

[1:10:01] Voice 3: at flashlight house and I went out there with my boat me and my grandfather I brought it in there

[1:10:10] Voice 3: and I told him right there there she is somebody's pointing at her somebody's mad

[1:10:18] Voice 3: I said, okay, okay, okay.

[1:10:20] Voice 3: But a worm lady

[1:10:22] Voice 3: lived there. So we just

[1:10:25] Voice 3: drifted around there, talking

[1:10:27] Voice 3: about her. Then we

[1:10:29] Voice 3: said, we better go home.

[1:10:32] Voice 3: So we come away

[1:10:34] Voice 3: from there and

[1:10:36] Voice 3: don't talk about that lady

[1:10:38] Voice 3: anymore. People who

[1:10:40] Voice 3: think they're nuts.

[1:10:42] Voice 3: Oh no, just

[1:10:43] Voice 3: tell them this was your

[1:10:44] Voice 3: sea lion, your lady.

[1:10:47] Voice 3: He said, no, don't tell

[1:10:48] Voice 3: nobody that he's going like that and he's worried because I was telling him that was his birthday.

[1:10:56] Voice 3: Things like that, we don't see no more. What happened to them? Big, big snake,

[1:11:06] Voice 3: 30, 40 feet long. We don't see those no more. That comes through Carlton Bay, comes from

[1:11:14] Voice 3: super come through a big long channel. No more of those. I guess we must have smuggled them.

[1:11:25] Voice 3: But I say we, there's a lot of things we never told yet. This place is, we lived here,

[1:11:36] Voice 3: had them here, had a few snakes, went down to Lummi, went down to La Conner and come back.

[1:11:45] Voice 3: We needed to go there. We waited for the tide to come back before we come back.

[1:11:52] Voice 3: I better shut up now. Thank you.

[1:12:04] Voice 9: Thank

[1:12:11] Voice 15: you. Thank you everyone. Thank you for working with Penelope.

[1:12:17] Voice 15: And that we may come to a really good conclusion, but what can you expect?

[1:12:23] Voice 15: Okay, we just came to a conclusion that we are going to accept an end.

[1:12:32] Voice 15: So how can you make these rules and say, oh, now get the public and all that?

[1:12:38] Voice 15: I lived here.

[1:12:40] Voice 15: I lived at the north end.

[1:12:42] Voice 15: I wasn't, the bus wouldn't go any further south at the bottom of the hill.

[1:12:54] Voice 15: they wouldn't go on the reserve and pick us up we had to walk on a reserve go down to where it was

[1:13:01] Voice 15: the white man's land they wouldn't go and pick us up we had to walk down

[1:13:09] Voice 15: also we had a penalty time right outside harry bain's house there was the line there how many

[1:13:23] Voice 15: How many times has that sign been desecrated, disrespected, our sign?

[1:13:31] Voice 15: I don't know, but it's still there.

[1:13:34] Voice 15: There is a bay called Baintis Bay, they call it, because he used the land to help our people with the boats.

[1:13:47] Voice 15: And you ask us why we want a gate?

[1:13:52] Voice 15: Two or three years ago we went there. They bulldozed our graveyard, our gravesite.

[1:14:04] Voice 15: Do you think that you would allow other people to go to your cemetery in your gravesite and desecrate our graves?

[1:14:14] Voice 15: That's what they did to ours. They bulldozed our gravesite there with no thoughts of regret.

[1:14:23] Voice 15: And you think that we should accept people and say, public, public, look what they've

[1:14:33] Voice 15: done to our land, and the government would not go any further past Harry Bain's place

[1:14:42] Voice 15: and make any kind of repair work on our road, because it was native land.

[1:14:51] Voice 15: It wouldn't go.

[1:14:52] Voice 15: We weren't allowed to, the bus wasn't allowed to go to where we lived.

[1:14:58] Voice 15: I had to walk, by the way, out of reserve to get on the bus to come to school here.

[1:15:05] Voice 15: One hour drive on the bus to get to school.

[1:15:09] Voice 15: And you ask us why we put the gate up.

[1:15:14] Voice 15: I think that we need to preserve and look after our sins on our land.

[1:15:20] Voice 15: And if you want to go look, that graveyard doesn't look very well.

[1:15:29] Voice 15: One of our workers at HALF, he went and took the bones and put it away.

[1:15:36] Voice 15: And that's how respectful to our people and our grave sites.

[1:15:43] Voice 15: And to say, this

[1:15:45] Voice 5: is in the 1950s.

[1:15:47] Voice 5: It wouldn't go on the land and the government wouldn't go on the land.

[1:15:51] Voice 5: it made repair work like

[1:15:54] Voice 15: they did over here they wouldn't even do that that's 1950s

[1:16:02] Voice 15: now you expect us to to open the way we have to have our rules too rules and guidelines just like

[1:16:11] Voice 15: everybody else so don't have expectations from us and say oh you're gonna do this you gotta do that

[1:16:18] Voice 15: we have to come to

[1:16:20] Voice 15: we have to work on something

[1:16:23] Voice 15: with the people here

[1:16:24] Voice 15: we have to work together

[1:16:26] Voice 15: and come up with a really

[1:16:29] Voice 15: nice conclusion so that

[1:16:31] Voice 15: we can live together

[1:16:32] Voice 15: and that our people can

[1:16:34] Voice 15: have respect when they're walking on our

[1:16:37] Voice 15: land and we

[1:16:38] Voice 15: we are expected

[1:16:40] Voice 15: to obey the

[1:16:43] Voice 15: laws when we come on your

[1:16:45] Voice 15: land. If we don't

[1:16:48] Voice 15: we are in trouble

[1:16:49] Voice 15: So remember, we are just receiving this, and we need to make our rules and guidelines and

[1:16:59] Voice 15: work with the people.

[1:17:00] Voice 15: And I thank you so much for doing that for us, and I thank you for letting me speak and

[1:17:06] Voice 15: have my concerns and to say, let us have a chance to work things out and make rules and

[1:17:15] Voice 15: guidelines that everybody can follow.

[1:17:17] Voice 15: As I speak, two or three years ago, people not from our land were going on reserve, and they were knocking the trees down, and they were coming down the south end and selling them.

[1:17:31] Voice 15: Is that called respectful? Going on our land and knocking our trees down and coming down here and selling them?

[1:17:40] Voice 15: ask yourself that

[1:17:42] Voice 15: what expectations

[1:17:44] Voice 15: do you have from us

[1:17:46] Voice 15: when you have more

[1:17:48] Voice 15: expectations from us

[1:17:50] Voice 15: and then you question

[1:17:53] Voice 15: why we have

[1:17:55] Voice 15: the gates, we're doing

[1:17:57] Voice 15: things to protect our

[1:17:59] Voice 15: land and protect our

[1:18:01] Voice 15: cultural

[1:18:02] Voice 15: sites that are on our land

[1:18:05] Voice 15: we have the right to

[1:18:07] Voice 15: protect our cultural sites

[1:18:11] Voice 15: I was so upset when I seen that graveyard, they just pulled those, they didn't care.

[1:18:20] Voice 15: Would you like that to do your cemetery? I don't think so.

[1:18:26] Voice 15: So I want to say it works both ways, okay? Both ways.

[1:18:34] Voice 15: It's not us we have to obey, obey, obey. That kind of thinking is gone now.

[1:18:41] Voice 15: We have to work together, work together to take care of it.

[1:18:47] Voice 15: My name is Julia Harris.

[1:19:01] Voice 15: My Indian name is Delivia.

[1:19:05] Voice 15: In about 1974, I was the manager of CRISP, a cultural heritage program in the provincial government.

[1:19:17] Voice 15: And I was contacted by a woman named Kate. She was a very new person in the government.

[1:19:33] Voice 15: And I wondered what she was talking about. And she said, you have to come to this meeting because it's very important.

[1:19:42] Voice 15: important. And that was the Carleton Land Trust Society. And the thing that I found

[1:19:53] Voice 15: out is that the land trust was formed to block the treaty process, land claims. And I was

[1:20:08] Voice 15: I was really upset, but when she introduced me, they went, oh, they can't say anything

[1:20:18] Voice 15: about land claims because I was an Indian, and I happened to be the manager of this cultural

[1:20:28] Voice 15: heritage resource inventory system, and we did, I was managing the traditional youth

[1:20:36] Voice 15: studies for British Columbia

[1:20:38] Voice 8: and

[1:20:40] Voice 15: that was directly involved with people who were doing

[1:20:47] Voice 15: research for land claims and anyway you know that some of these rules that are being created

[1:20:57] Voice 15: Now with land trust, island trust, and that's unlimited and whatever, our form to make things hard for us, to make things hard for us

[1:21:17] Voice 5: to claim land that we own.

[1:21:22] Voice 15: I come from Desi. That's a little reserve that belongs to Connecticut.

[1:21:32] Voice 15: it's near crofton and we are locked in we're one square mile there's a ducks unlimited

[1:21:42] Voice 15: and uh the high high time mark so we're blocked in by by people who do not want us to have anything

[1:21:53] Voice 15: think more than what we already have that we only have this of course i'm out of my house right now

[1:22:04] Voice 15: because of the flood um so i just want you to think about what it is that that you're that

[1:22:16] Voice 15: that you're doing, is it to regulate the land

[1:22:28] Voice 15: and what happens with the land,

[1:22:31] Voice 15: or are you trying to block the treating process,

[1:22:38] Voice 15: our claim to what belongs to us?

[1:22:42] Voice 15: Thank you.

[1:23:05] Voice 3: Those are only two little lots we have of our large territory.

[1:23:11] Voice 3: We went from small, very small, so much.

[1:23:18] Some conversation

[1:23:24] Voice 3: on some land. Thank you. Tony?

[1:23:43] Voice 9: Yes, you know, this is very

[1:23:45] Voice 11: important. It's important for our people to have a voice.

[1:23:52] Voice 11: We have been shoved in the background. We had no voice for hundreds of years.

[1:24:00] Voice 11: Canada and British Columbia, the colonial governments, kept our voices very quiet.

[1:24:07] Voice 11: they made laws so we could not talk we could not have discussions but today the climate is changing

[1:24:20] Voice 11: we need to sit down in a healthy situation we need to have discussion but it's important

[1:24:31] Voice 11: that you learn and understand our history and our connections to the land and the water.

[1:24:42] Voice 11: We are connected to it, our people. We had the land for the food, the medicines, we had

[1:24:50] Voice 11: the water for all our seafood and everything else, we traveled on it. You know, you need

[1:24:58] Voice 11: to know that our people are finally getting the voice and we need to participate we need

[1:25:07] Voice 11: discussion we need healthy understanding you know that's very important that we just sit down and

[1:25:18] Voice 11: talk augie has shared and our other elders they will share a lot of history they will share all

[1:25:27] Voice 11: all our old ways, you know, those are very sacred.

[1:25:31] Voice 11: We have all the minutes and we have all the sacred sites

[1:25:35] Voice 11: where our graveyards were situated.

[1:25:38] Voice 11: And we had many of them around the lands.

[1:25:42] Voice 11: And they not marked like today, you know,

[1:25:46] Voice 11: you have your headstone, they got fences,

[1:25:48] Voice 11: but our people had their areas that were very well known,

[1:25:54] Voice 11: but we were separated for many many years you know after we got put on what they call reserves

[1:26:02] Voice 11: you know small sections of land but anyway i i really uh respect what has happened today

[1:26:11] Voice 11: in regards to having a meeting and involving our our people and getting that land that we're

[1:26:20] Voice 11: looking at you know we'll be getting that i guess soon i'm not sure i'm not involved with that

[1:26:27] Voice 11: but anyway i just want to thank you all you know it's very important so

[1:26:32] Voice 11: uh please keep our people involved we will talk we will have discussions but we need to be

[1:26:40] Voice 11: partners and we need to be friendly with each other you know sometimes you may disagree with us

[1:26:46] Voice 11: but I think you will understand later on through talks and learning.

[1:26:53] Voice 11: So just keep your mind and heart open today.

[1:26:56] Voice 11: So I really thank you all, you know, for having us here.

[1:27:01] Voice 11: Our self-man, our elders are very important.

[1:27:05] Voice 11: So thank you very much.

[1:27:22] Voice 15: elders and people is the common messaging that I'm hearing and that I'm going to take away from

[1:27:33] Voice 15: here is open to sitting and discussing but I also want to share that each of these elders sitting

[1:27:45] Voice 15: here have generations of stories about the land here and the residents here in

[1:27:56] Voice 15: Galliano have a bill of sale for where they live. The Connecticut people and the Coast Salish people lived on this land, provided for themselves, governed themselves without a piece of paper and then we have the

[1:28:23] Voice 11: government that decided they wanted to form and tell our people that

[1:28:29] Voice 15: we didn't know how to govern

[1:28:30] Voice 15: ourselves so their land was taken and we were right now because we're so overgrowing we keep

[1:28:43] Voice 15: growing bigger and bigger and bigger we're not really going anywhere at all we're growing older

[1:28:48] Voice 15: it's beautiful to see all the elders here but the land that was taken from them wasn't

[1:28:57] Voice 15: that

[1:28:58] Voice 11: we we weren't provided a bill of sale we weren't given money

[1:29:02] Voice 15: in return for taking that

[1:29:04] Voice 15: land from our people so i just wanted to give some of that to you in your decision making

[1:29:16] Voice 15: and the policy writing that you need to do

[1:29:21] Voice 15: so that stays in your mind

[1:29:24] Voice 15: that there's generations of stories

[1:29:27] Voice 15: from those of us that travel here.

[1:29:31] Voice 15: I'm from Sartland and Brentwood Bay.

[1:29:34] Voice 15: I have connections to pretty much anywhere

[1:29:40] Voice 15: in Coast Salish territory.

[1:29:42] Voice 15: My history comes from Valdez,

[1:29:47] Voice 15: which is close to Connecticut.

[1:29:50] Voice 15: on it.

[1:29:53] Voice 12: So I hope you guys are hearing the same thing that I'm

[1:29:57] Voice 15: hearing is

[1:30:00] Voice 15: Although I've never been close to Penelakut, I'm employed there, but I feel like an outsider to them because I don't have as much history of Penelakut and their territory as they do.

[1:30:17] Voice 15: Thank you for listening.

[1:30:19] Voice 15: Hi everyone, I'm Kelly, I'm a Connecticut band member, and Ken moved me in when I was a Connecticut Lands Officer, so I've been coming for a couple of years.

[1:30:41] Voice 15: I recognize some friendly faces here and my role as a lands officer was developing land codes,

[1:30:54] Voice 15: policies, and land laws. So I just want to say I totally get wanting to be transparent

[1:31:04] Voice 15: there and um covering like all the bases and you know 1995 maybe doesn't seem that long ago but it

[1:31:13] Voice 15: it is like decades now um but um so i totally get things need to be updated um and uh in the

[1:31:26] Voice 15: spirit of transparency like you're thinking about every angle but um bearing in mind that

[1:31:34] Voice 15: that Indigenous people were birds of the land

[1:31:37] Voice 15: and time immemorial.

[1:31:40] Voice 15: And, you know, our teachings are

[1:31:43] Voice 15: take only what you need,

[1:31:47] Voice 15: utilize everything.

[1:31:48] Voice 15: They utilize every single thing

[1:31:50] Voice 15: and don't waste anything

[1:31:52] Voice 15: and give back to Mother Nature.

[1:31:57] Voice 15: And definitely a lot of people are still practicing that.

[1:32:01] Voice 15: And, you know, that system wasn't broken.

[1:32:08] Voice 15: But the government came in and broke it.

[1:32:14] Voice 15: They took it away from us.

[1:32:16] Voice 15: There was nothing wrong with the way we lived.

[1:32:19] Voice 15: We didn't need technology.

[1:32:21] Voice 15: And like they said, we didn't need papers.

[1:32:26] Voice 15: If we wanted to learn something, we would have to be there and listen.

[1:32:31] Voice 15: and the elders were gentle about it they were alive and so you want to think about that

[1:32:39] Voice 15: think about our people my grandma was born here she was born on an island

[1:32:49] Voice 15: and this place and now it feels like we have to keep proving like what what is it

[1:32:57] Voice 15: you just don't want canalicus here like you're trying to put all these wrenches into this like

[1:33:05] Voice 15: this please kind people are they've they've thought about us they thought about our people

[1:33:15] Voice 15: think about them they have to give up three quarters of their land just to do something

[1:33:21] Voice 15: for themselves our friend had um other partners who wanted to help build the road

[1:33:31] Voice 15: and and he he passed away before he could see anything done with it you know they just want

[1:33:39] Voice 15: a home too think about them when you're thinking about throwing all these riches here we're not

[1:33:47] Voice 15: coming to those skyscrapers and casinos and airports we want to just get some of our home back

[1:33:58] Voice 15: and you know you can work with us and you don't want to reserve people think so negatively about

[1:34:12] Voice 15: the reserve what's happening with the federal government right now they want to help natos

[1:34:19] Voice 15: if you add the land to the reserve but the federal they're going to get fire start programs

[1:34:28] Voice 15: they're going to help restore the water all these amazing things you're already doing

[1:34:35] Voice 15: we could work together the government wants to give us money think about that there's positives

[1:34:44] Voice 15: yeah maybe maybe there's going to be a growth spurt we have to learn to be together now and

[1:34:54] Voice 15: it's new and it's fresh and it's not going to be all smooth sailing there's going to be growing

[1:35:02] Voice 15: things but how do you how can you just shut something down without giving it a chance

[1:35:09] Voice 15: this is their home our elder home didn't want to go without saying anything this amazing family just

[1:35:22] Voice 15: wants to get their stuff done they want to see things through before the rest of them are gone

[1:35:30] Voice 15: right how would you feel if you had land and you had to give three quarters of the

[1:35:36] Voice 15: the way just to have a home that's a sacrifice and and they're thinking about where the land came

[1:35:46] Voice 15: from and that's honorable and respectful and i have the most gratitude for these nice people

[1:35:56] Voice 15: who want to have a home and build on it and improve the home that they already have

[1:36:03] Voice 15: so thank you for your time

[1:36:21] Voice 13: I grew up in the north end of the island too I

[1:36:26] Voice 7: went to school down here until I couldn't go to

[1:36:29] Voice 7: school anymore um they're all I was going as well that's before I changed my last name to my

[1:36:39] Voice 7: my native name, but I just had to share

[1:36:44] Voice 7: about the north end of the island.

[1:36:46] Voice 7: I know my mom and several of her siblings

[1:36:50] Voice 7: were born off

[1:36:51] Voice 13: the north end there.

[1:36:53] Voice 13: It used to be called the Salt Street.

[1:36:57] Voice 13: They lived there.

[1:36:58] Voice 13: That's where my family was, and they were born there.

[1:37:04] Voice 13: I used to look at my mom's birth certificate.

[1:37:07] Voice 13: She was the only one I knew who was born

[1:37:13] Voice 13: I've known Ben for over 15 years, I remember when they moved here down to the McClure Road.

[1:37:22] Voice 13: I haven't

[1:37:25] Voice 7: seen much of him over the years since I've been working, but I just had to

[1:37:31] Voice 7: get up and thank each and every one of them for inviting me.

[1:37:37] Voice 7: I'm hoping that we all find that's a lot which means we're one mind

[1:37:47] Voice 7: one mind work together no throwing darts really trade

[1:37:59] Voice 7: I would like to

[1:38:10] Voice 5: thank you all for taking your time out today to come to this meeting.

[1:38:15] Voice 5: Thank you to the people that are hosting this meeting, thank you from the bottom of my heart.

[1:38:22] Voice 5: My dad, how to be respectful, accepting, how to work

[1:38:42] Voice 5: together with the people.

[1:38:44] Voice 5: My family are responsible for a lot of things from Connecticut.

[1:38:56] Voice 5: My father and I, we're medicine people.

[1:39:02] Voice 5: We get the medicine for the people that need it,

[1:39:05] Voice 5: the people that come to us to ask us for help.

[1:39:11] Voice 5: So now you guys ask us why we're trying to keep that gate up?

[1:39:16] Voice 5: That's why.

[1:39:17] Voice 5: Every time people make a move to build a house, to build a shed,

[1:39:26] Voice 5: or to even go and put a wharf in the water that's affecting our way of life right to the bitter core

[1:39:36] Voice 5: right to the bitter core do you guys know where the cemeteries were the goal in our family it's

[1:39:54] Voice 5: our responsibility to collect the remains of our ancestors that's in our family mine and my

[1:40:03] Voice 5: fathers. So that's another reason why we want that gate to remain up because no one takes care of the

[1:40:12] Voice 5: cemetery on that end. No one has respect for the dead. We have respect for our dead. We feed our

[1:40:24] Voice 5: dead all the time. I'm a burner. I feed our dead. We care for our dead people yet. We never forgot

[1:40:34] Voice 5: got them they live in us my grandmother's blood flow flows through my veins from my mother

[1:40:46] Voice 5: you know one thing i'm proud of is that we work together that's what i'm proud of

[1:40:59] Voice 5: one thing i'm very proud of in my years of gathering bones i'm very glad people are

[1:41:10] Voice 5: starting to come to us and say oh can you come and help us can you come and work with us

[1:41:15] Voice 5: can you come watch while we build our home some people actually call on my family

[1:41:23] Voice 5: and they ask us to watch for remains so i have to go and i have to sit there and watch

[1:41:30] Voice 5: while they build their home or they build their shed we have to go and watch for remains

[1:41:38] Voice 5: means so that's just my point of view on that gate you got the ancestors and you got all

[1:41:52] Voice 5: that medicine down there a lot of the medicine gets destroyed when people build homes

[1:42:01] Voice 5: our sheds are warm that hits a core imagine if we went and burned down all the super stores

[1:42:17] Voice 5: all the places where you guys go buy your groceries wipe them all out then you guys

[1:42:23] Voice 5: will have to survive like how we had to survive imagine if we took everything you cherished away

[1:42:33] Voice 5: because that's what happened to us people burned out of the village babies elders killed

[1:42:42] Voice 5: all because of western colonization they thought they'd give us a better life

[1:42:51] Voice 5: they never gave us a better life if they gave us a better life we wouldn't be here crying

[1:43:01] Voice 5: we wouldn't be remembering all those residential schools with all those dead kids in the ground

[1:43:11] Voice 5: beside them they call that better in our life the better i see is that we can all work together now

[1:43:26] Voice 5: you folks stepping forward thank you thank you to everyone i say i say i'm thanking you

[1:43:38] Voice 5: taking time out in your day to come and listen and learn learn if you're listening with your

[1:43:51] Voice 5: ears you're not hearing a goddamn thing if you're gonna listen with your heart

[1:43:57] Voice 5: you're gonna take it home with you you're gonna take it home with you i please beg of you all

[1:44:16] Voice 5: listen with your heart and not your ears and remember what we talk about here today

[1:44:22] Voice 5: begging you all with the bottom of my heart as we can all work together this kind of work

[1:44:34] Voice 5: didn't start just yesterday it started with my grandmother my grandmother fought for land

[1:44:44] Voice 5: so it just shows

[1:44:46] Voice 5: it's going to keep on

[1:44:48] Voice 5: going so my

[1:44:50] Voice 5: request

[1:44:51] Voice 5: is that we can

[1:44:55] Voice 5: please work together

[1:44:57] Voice 5: and understand

[1:45:00] Voice 5: each other

[1:45:01] Voice 5: how we can be together as one

[1:45:05] Voice 5: can you imagine

[1:45:09] Voice 5: how all of us can

[1:45:11] Voice 5: flourish if we all help

[1:45:13] Voice 5: together some of you

[1:45:19] Voice 5: people got big machines

[1:45:21] Voice 5: jeans some of you guys got big boats imagine if we could all work together and accomplish a whole

[1:45:28] Voice 5: heck of a lot instead of saying oh this is mine oh this is mine let's work together and help each

[1:45:37] Voice 5: other help each other prosper in life and not knock each other down that's all i'm asking

[1:45:47] Voice 5: And have pity, not only on us, but for your future generations as well.

[1:45:55] Voice 5: Your children, your grandchildren, your great-grandchildren.

[1:46:01] Voice 5: What are you guys going to leave them?

[1:46:05] Voice 5: You guys got to protect that.

[1:46:09] Voice 5: I better quit.

[1:46:26] Voice 5: I wasn't sitting on my end.

[1:46:42] Voice 15: As I said, I

[1:46:43] Voice 15: think this is a historical meeting. I've never been at

[1:46:46] Voice 14: a meeting like that.

[1:46:47] Voice 14: I don't know if

[1:46:47] Voice 15: there's any idea of the amount of people present, and I really think that, you know, we

[1:46:57] Voice 15: should consider ourselves honored that they encountered and still see part of people who they perceive as part of the family.

[1:47:05] Voice 15: And what I see is I'm hearing from them, there's an open heart and open door. And we are talking about 10 acres. Yes. But we are talking about another huge piece of land that will have a sustainable covenant that will hold another trust of value.

[1:47:28] Voice 15: I think it's kind of a real requirement in return, and I have no reason to let him meet our commission, but I think we do need to work together.

[1:47:44] Voice 15: And just speaking for myself, I always felt that people are calling us to build a safer site, as to make, you know, especially the additional boundaries.

[1:48:02] Voice 15: I think there are more people who feel the same way.

[1:48:08] Voice 15: And it's really not about race.

[1:48:10] Voice 15: It's about, I think, the conclusion is that it's hard to be open to the world.

[1:48:19] Voice 15: It's hard to be open to the world.

[1:48:40] Voice 12: yeah i i really want to just take a moment and express my gratitude for all of the elders

[1:48:48] Voice 12: speaking today and how important i think that was for all of us um

[1:48:52] Voice 10: i also want to um

[1:48:54] Voice 10: the moment of reality we do have a timeline here so um i'd like us to uh

[1:49:03] Voice 10: conclude with the question and answer period and then get into the public hearing so that we can

[1:49:09] Voice 10: get our legal ducks in a row and get the work done that we need to get done today so um questions i

[1:49:17] Voice 10: see sandy yes

[1:49:19] Voice 15: i'm just wondering but i've been wondering just for some time but uh maybe

[1:50:04] Voice 10: transfer land to the

[1:50:05] Voice 10: don't feel has some information for us

[1:50:07] Voice 15: it's certainly something new to all of us um the land

[1:50:10] Voice 15: when it's deposited at the title office will be simple and now look it is able to receive that

[1:50:18] Voice 15: because they have a corporation so they are able to receive that and then beyond that that's what

[1:50:24] Voice 15: the panel can decide what you know what they want to do with that i also wanted to clarify an error

[1:50:30] Voice 15: i made uh when the commissioner frank sorry frank you missed your last name jordan um in terms of uh

[1:50:39] Voice 15: it's a 7b oh my gosh my apologies i was looking at the wrong map 7b is actually going to be

[1:50:49] Voice 15: rezoned nature protection so that's a part of the land that will be transferred to pelican so thank

[1:50:54] Voice 15: you for bringing that up okay and

[1:50:58] Voice 10: this is a quick scan for any more questions and then i want to

[1:51:02] Voice 10: move us into the formal public hearing piece just

[1:51:05] Voice 14: a little comment because someone had mentioned

[1:51:06] Voice 14: that there was only 10 acres that were being transferred to the canal it's

[1:51:10] Voice 15: actually 100 acres

[1:51:11] Voice 15: thank you for that clarification

[1:51:22] Voice 15: Okay.

[1:51:28] Voice 10: All right. I appreciate hearing from everyone.

[1:51:32] Voice 1: And we're going to move now into

[1:51:33] Voice 10: the public hearing section. And we have to do these two bits

[1:51:38] Voice 12: separately so that we're

[1:51:40] Voice 12: checking all the correct legislative boxes. So the

[1:51:46] Voice 10: public hearing for proposed bylaws

[1:51:49] Voice 10: 292 and 293 is now open. I wish to welcome everyone in attendance and acknowledge the

[1:51:55] Voice 10: that we're meeting in the territory of Coast Salish Nations,

[1:51:58] Voice 10: the Connecticut tribe.

[1:52:01] Voice 10: My name is Tim Peterson.

[1:52:03] Voice 10: I'm the chair of the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee,

[1:52:06] Voice 10: and I'm here with the Galliano Local Trust

[1:52:09] Voice 10: leads, Lisa Gopro and Ben Maverly,

[1:52:12] Voice 10: and our planner, Kim Stockdale,

[1:52:16] Voice 10: and our minute taker, Lisa McLaurin is with us as well.

[1:52:20] Voice 10: Sorry, I forgot to mention you earlier, Lisa.

[1:52:28] Voice 10: We have a lot of people in the room.

[1:52:30] Voice 10: our intent is to give uh everyone the opportunity to speak and their comments and uh this public

[1:52:37] Voice 10: hearing will start today and may be uh adjourned and reconvened but we hope not an announcement

[1:52:44] Voice 10: will be made later in the public hearing prior to the adjournment if the hearing is to be

[1:52:48] Voice 10: as

[1:52:49] Voice 12: public hearing has been convened pursuant to section 465 of the local government act in

[1:52:57] Voice 12: order

[1:52:58] Voice 10: to consider the following proposed bylaws proposed bylaw number 292 cited as

[1:53:04] Voice 10: galliano island official community plan bylaw number 108 1995 amendment number one 2024

[1:53:15] Voice 10: and proposed bylaw number 293 cited as galliano island land use bylaw number 127 1999

[1:53:22] Voice 10: 29.9, Amendment Number 1, 20.24.

[1:53:28] Voice 10: All persons who believe that their interest in property is affected by the proposed bylaws

[1:53:33] Voice 10: will be given a reasonable opportunity to concur or to present written submissions

[1:53:37] Voice 10: respecting matters contained in the proposed bylaws.

[1:53:40] Voice 10: Those wishing to speak should commence their presentation by clearly stating their name and address.

[1:53:46] Voice 10: Members of the Local Trust Committee may, if they wish, ask questions of you following your presentation.

[1:53:51] Voice 10: However, the main function of the Local Trust Committee members is to listen to the views

[1:53:55] Voice 10: of the public.

[1:53:56] Voice 10: It is not the function of the Committee members to debate

[1:53:59] Voice 12: the merits of the proposed by-laws

[1:54:00] Voice 12: with individual citizens.

[1:54:04] Voice 12: Everyone will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard and not to feel discouraged for

[1:54:08] Voice 12: presenting

[1:54:09] Voice 10: his or her views.

[1:54:10] Voice 10: In considering the proposed by-laws, the Local Trust Committee has received documents which

[1:54:15] Voice 10: may influence its decision.

[1:54:16] Voice 10: Those documents are available for review during this hearing on our website and as indicated

[1:54:22] Voice 10: in the public hearing notice.

[1:54:24] Voice 10: Any person who wishes to present a handwritten or a written submission to the Local Trust

[1:54:29] Voice 10: Committee may do so and all written submissions must be received by the Local Trust Committee

[1:54:34] Voice 10: before the close of the hearing.

[1:54:36] Voice 10: Your only opportunity to comment on the proposed by-laws is during this hearing as members

[1:54:42] Voice 10: of the Local Trust Committee may not receive

[1:54:44] Voice 10: further submissions after the close of the hearing.

[1:54:48] Voice 10: After this public hearing has been concluded,

[1:54:51] Voice 10: the Local Trust Committee may, without further notice,

[1:54:54] Voice 10: make whatever decision it deems proper

[1:54:56] Voice 10: with respect to the bylaws that is the subject

[1:54:58] Voice 10: of the public hearing.

[1:55:00] Voice 10: And Island Planners, Kim Stockwell,

[1:55:02] Voice 10: will now summarize the public hearing notice,

[1:55:05] Voice 10: key points of the bylaws, and referral agency responses.

[1:55:09] Voice 15: Thank you, Chair. So I do have a very formal script that I have to read through. But before

[1:55:15] Voice 15: I do that, I just wanted to let you know that this public hearing is blitzed. So we're going

[1:55:21] Voice 15: to have one public hearing for District Law 86. And then the

[1:55:25] Voice 15: second public hearing is

[1:55:27] Voice 15: for District Law 85. So if you want to express your support, I encourage you to do it in

[1:55:32] Voice 15: both public hearing processes. So right now we are just going to be discussing bylaw

[1:55:38] Voice 15: number 292 and 293 for District Law 86. So I will continue on with

[1:55:46] Voice 15: my formal script.

[1:55:48] Voice 15: A copy of the notice was posted on the Islands Trust website and social media platforms in

[1:55:55] Voice 15: accordance with the Galliano Island Public Notification Bylaw number 229. It was also

[1:56:01] Voice 15: inserted in the February 2026 edition of the active page as per the LTC standing resolution.

[1:56:09] Voice 15: There is a complete public hearing binder available. We have them up here and they're also located on the

[1:56:17] Voice 15: Islands Trust website. The purpose of bylaw number 293 is to amend the Galliano Island

[1:56:25] Voice 15: land use bylaw to rezone the 38.5 hectare subject property district lot 86 from forest one to the

[1:56:35] Voice 15: following split zones 4.2 hectares to a site specific rural residential zone

[1:56:42] Voice 13: 0.6

[1:56:43] Voice 15: hectares to

[1:56:45] Voice 15: park 20 hectares to forest three and approximately 13 hectares to nature protection the purpose of

[1:56:53] Voice 15: bylaw 292 is to amend the official island the galliano island official community plan

[1:56:59] Voice 15: to redesignate a portion of the subject property from the forest designation to nature protection

[1:57:06] Voice 15: rural residential and park dedications a portion of the of the property will retain the course

[1:57:12] Voice 15: designation uh the proposed bylaws have been referred to a number of agencies um and also

[1:57:20] Voice 15: force nations those are listed in the public binder as well as online i'm just going to

[1:57:25] Voice 15: quickly summarize the referral responses that we received the penelakid nation the summary is that

[1:57:34] Voice 15: they acknowledge the receipt of the referral the tribe affirms its commitment to safeguarding its

[1:57:40] Voice 15: rights and access to lands and resources within its territory and the tribe has no further

[1:57:45] Voice 15: their comments regarding regarding this referral watch and first nation states that they defer

[1:57:53] Voice 15: to the first nations whose traditional territory this project lies

[1:57:57] Voice 15: and this is just i'm just doing

[1:57:59] Voice 15: a quick summary that their full referrals are available in the public hearing binder and online

[1:58:06] Voice 15: so maintenance the main exposition the first comments um for the application

[1:58:12] Voice 15: nation, Lake Cowichan nation, they identify this as a level one, and that the project

[1:58:18] Voice 15: appears to wholly within another First Nation title and governance area, and they defer

[1:58:24] Voice 15: to the First Nation whose traditional territory this project lies within, or is affected by

[1:58:30] Voice 15: this project.

[1:58:31] Voice 15: So, Wausau First Nation states no concerns regarding this file.

[1:58:35] Voice 15: Sayo First Nation states that they defer their comments to the local nations.

[1:58:42] Voice 15: Lai Aksin First Nation states that they support the donation to the Malakit tribe.

[1:58:51] Voice 15: The Ministry of Transportation and Transit has no objections.

[1:58:55] Voice 15: BC Parks just stated that they were just questioning around, they had a question around the gate

[1:59:02] Voice 15: and also want to ensure that the easement to the property remains.

[1:59:07] Voice 15: remains. Island Health states that they have no objections provided a water system operating

[1:59:13] Voice 15: permit is obtained and the Drinking Water Protection Act is complied with. The Maine

[1:59:20] Voice 15: LTC has their interests unaffected and I think that is the final for the referrals. And the

[1:59:29] Voice 15: number of public submissions we received was just one as of yesterday at 4.30.

[1:59:38] Voice 10: thank you um and submissions can be made at any time until the close of this hearing

[1:59:44] Voice 10: uh if any submissions are received during the meeting we will pause prior to closing to ensure

[1:59:49] Voice 10: that the local trust committee has time to review those submissions

[1:59:54] Voice 10: i invite members of the public who wish to speak to raise their your hand please

[2:00:00] Voice 10: state your name prior to making comments after your presentation to the local trust committee

[2:00:04] Voice 10: trustees may ask you questions but they're primarily here to listen and will not make

[2:00:08] Voice 10: issues with you i'll call three times for speakers before closing the hearing at which

[2:00:13] Voice 10: point no further written or oral submissions may be made and i'll just remind that this is

[2:00:20] Voice 10: one of two public hearings that we're going to try and get through here today

[2:00:25] Voice 10: day um so i will look for a show of hands if there's a lot of people that want to speak i'm

[2:00:30] Voice 10: going to um put you on a timer so we can get on this in a timely fashion i'll look for a show of

[2:00:36] Voice 10: hands people who'd like to speak see one go

[2:00:43] Voice 13: ahead sir i'm roger pettit i'm a farmer on

[2:00:50] Voice 13: medical land and i wholly support this uh bylaw that's all i have to say

[2:00:59] Voice 13: thank you uh over here my

[2:01:03] Voice 14: name is i don't live on the island but i have uh enjoyed coming and

[2:01:10] Voice 14: particularly enjoy the beautiful nature of the silence this isn't specific to uh any

[2:01:16] Voice 14: this particular zoning but to me any forestry one property seems that uh they should be allowed to

[2:01:27] Voice 14: change the zoning to such as these examples so that there's more stewardship of the land if there

[2:01:34] Voice 14: remain as forestry one there isn't as much protection or stewardship uh when people live

[2:01:41] Voice 14: on the land they're more likely to protect the land obviously companies can be created

[2:01:48] Voice 14: so allowing forestry one properties to go through a zoning process that obviously is extremely

[2:01:53] Voice 14: extremely rigorous, allows for greater protections to be implemented legally into managing the forest land

[2:02:01] Voice 14: and obviously opportunities perhaps to give back land to the Penelope First Nation.

[2:02:07] Voice 14: So I think it's a positive move to allow any Forestry 1 land to go through the rezoning process.

[2:02:16] Voice 7: Okay, back here, sir.

[2:02:28] Voice 15: thank you yes

[2:02:37] Voice 15: if i may have just been reminded by our meeting organizers that for those who are speaking if

[2:02:49] Voice 15: you could just quickly write down your name for the record i'll pass this out

[2:03:01] Voice 12: and while we're doing that i'll see if there's any more hands

[2:03:07] Voice 12: andy

[2:03:08] Voice 15: i think that this application that you know is substantially in line with the 75

[2:03:18] I think that part of the objective of that particular thing was that some

[2:03:29] Voice 7: of the water

[2:03:35] I

[2:03:36] Voice 15: know that First Nations have often defined the best values,

[2:03:44] Voice 15: values of property, and none of the force work is included.

[2:03:51] And I think that, you know, First Nations is a

[2:03:55] Voice 15: maritime people,

[2:03:57] and they're a teacher.

[2:03:59] I think it might be a good idea, even if the park portion was decided to demolish it, and let go of all of that kind of

[2:04:08] Voice 15: design that we had before.

[2:04:12] Voice 15: Thank you.

[2:04:16] Voice 15: I'm an immediate neighbor of the land, and I'd like to ask for my support.

[2:04:25] Voice 15: 35 acres that is

[2:04:29] Voice 15: exactly below us

[2:04:31] Voice 15: and I feel

[2:04:34] Voice 15: such gratitude for the

[2:04:35] Voice 15: people who come from

[2:04:38] Voice 15: Connecticut today

[2:04:39] Voice 15: and already have seen

[2:04:46] Voice 15: from the people that

[2:04:47] Voice 15: hopefully we have

[2:04:49] Voice 15: the right to build their dwelling

[2:04:53] Voice 15: that we can

[2:04:55] Voice 15: learn so much

[2:04:57] Voice 15: from the indigenous

[2:04:59] Voice 15: in this way and and i think i'm so heartened to be in this group of people that have come from

[2:05:06] opposite ends it seems like so i am i would just

[2:05:11] Voice 15: like to lend my support to this thank you

[2:05:21] Voice 12: okay um we

[2:05:24] Voice 10: will now proceed to close the public hearing please note after the public hearing

[2:05:28] Voice 10: closes the local trust committee will no longer be able to receive public commitments

[2:05:32] Voice 12: prior to

[2:05:33] Voice 12: be making a decision. So I'm going to ask once for any more speakers. I'll ask a second time for any more speakers.

[2:05:46] Voice 12: But we already know that about 50, over 56

[2:05:56] Voice 15: % of this island was owned by a main forestry company, and their plan for the island was quite different than it turned out.

[2:06:04] Voice 15: And that's because all of us have joined together to make sure that the hotel wasn't built up at the initial,

[2:06:14] that had the

[2:06:15] Voice 15: connection with the black bone, and that there are 1,400 houses worth sitting on the top of Mount Segal.

[2:06:22] Voice 15: And so I would like to just let you know, if you don't already, that we have been doing things to preserve and protect this island as well.

[2:06:35] Voice 15: And I am overwhelmed by the number of Penelope people who have come.

[2:06:41] Voice 15: And I would like to just respect the stewardship that you have exhibited through time.

[2:06:49] Voice 15: thank you

[2:06:53] Voice 12: uh so uh he called uh for once for any more speakers we'll

[2:07:03] Voice 10: ask a second time for

[2:07:05] Voice 10: any more speakers and we'll ask a third time for any more speakers this is now the final

[2:07:14] Voice 10: opportunity for you to hand in a written submission to the local trust committee

[2:07:18] Voice 10: once this hearing is closed no additional submissions will be accepted please be advised

[2:07:28] Voice 10: that we are now in the post-public hearing stage of the legislative review of proposed bylaws 292

[2:07:34] Voice 10: and 293. The Galliano Island Local Trust Committee can now no longer receive information pertaining

[2:07:41] Voice 10: to the proposed bylaws. However, you can still submit any outstanding questions or comments

[2:07:46] Voice 10: directly to the planner. The Local Trust Committee may give further readings to the bylaw or repeat

[2:07:52] Voice 10: the bylaw or make planner amendments that do not affect the user density without further notice

[2:07:57] Voice 10: for here and then we normally reconvene but we have a second public hearing to open so without

[2:08:07] Voice 10: further ado the public hearing for the

[2:08:10] Voice 12: proposed bylaws 294 and 295 is now over i wish to welcome

[2:08:15] Voice 12: everyone in attendance acknowledge that we're meeting the territory of coast salish nations

[2:08:20] Voice 12: my name is tim peterson i'm chair of the galliano island local

[2:08:25] Voice 10: trust committee and uh with me today

[2:08:29] Voice 10: day are galliano island local trust committee trustees lisa gobro and ben maker

[2:08:33] Voice 12: also our

[2:08:36] Voice 12: planner kim stockdale and our meeting administrator uh administrator alars this public hearing is

[2:08:46] Voice 12: being convened pursuant to section 465 of the local government act in order to consider the

[2:08:52] Voice 10: proposing the following proposed bylaws proposed bylaw number 294 cited as galliano island

[2:08:59] Voice 10: official community plan bylaw number 108 1995 amendment number two 2024 and proposed bylaw

[2:09:08] Voice 10: number 295 cited as galliano island land use bylaw number 127 1999 amendment number two 2024

[2:09:17] Voice 10: all persons who believe that their interest in property is affected by the proposed bylaws will

[2:09:22] Voice 10: be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard or to present written submissions respecting

[2:09:27] Voice 10: matters contained in the proposed bylaws. Those wishing to speak should commence their

[2:09:32] Voice 10: presentation by clearly stating their name and address. Members of the Local Trust Committee

[2:09:37] Voice 10: may, if they wish, ask questions of you following your presentation. However, the main function

[2:09:42] Voice 10: of the Local Trust Committee members is to listen to the views of the public. It is not

[2:09:45] Voice 10: the function of the committee members to debate the merits of the proposed bylaw with individual

[2:09:50] Voice 10: citizens. Everyone will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard, and none should feel

[2:09:56] Voice 10: discouraged from presenting his or her views in considering the proposed bylaws the local trust

[2:10:01] Voice 10: committee has received documents which may influence its decision those documents are

[2:10:06] Voice 10: available for review during this hearing on our website and as indicated in the public hearing

[2:10:11] Voice 10: notes any person who wishes to present a written submission to the local trust committee may do so

[2:10:17] Voice 10: and all written submissions must be received by the local trust committee before the close

[2:10:21] Voice 10: of this hearing your only opportunity to command comment on the proposed bylaws is during this

[2:10:27] Voice 10: hearing as members of the local trust committee may not receive further submissions after the

[2:10:31] Voice 10: close of the hearing after this public hearing has concluded the local trust committee may

[2:10:36] Voice 10: without further notice make whatever decision it means proper with respect to the bylaws

[2:10:40] Voice 10: that are the subject of this public hearing island planner kim stockton will now summarize

[2:10:46] Voice 10: the public hearing notice key points of the bylaw and

[2:10:49] Voice 10: referral agency responses thank

[2:10:52] Voice 15: you chair this

[2:10:53] Voice 15: is very similar to what you just heard um so i'll again go through the formal script in front of me

[2:11:00] Voice 15: a copy of the notice was posted on the island stress web page or website and social media

[2:11:05] Voice 15: platform in accordance with the galliano island public notice bylaw number 229 it was also

[2:11:12] Voice 15: inserted in the February 2026 edition of the APTA page as per the LTC standing resolution.

[2:11:19] Voice 15: There is a copy of the complete public hearing binder available here in the binder and also

[2:11:26] Voice 15: on the Islands Trust web page.

[2:11:28] Voice 15: The purpose of bylaw 295 is to amend the Galliano Islands land use bylaw for the subject property

[2:11:36] Voice 15: district law 85 from forest one to the following split zones rural residential d

[2:11:45] Voice 15: park forest three and nature protection the purpose of bylaw 294 is to amend the galeano

[2:11:54] Voice 15: island official community plan to redesignate a portion of the property from the forest

[2:12:01] Voice 15: designation to nature protection rural residential and park a portion of the property will retain the

[2:12:09] Voice 15: forest designation a number of agencies and nations were referred the bylaws and i'll summarize the

[2:12:17] Voice 15: referral responses to date delicate tribe acknowledges the receipt of the referral the

[2:12:25] Voice 15: tribe affirms its commitment to safeguarding its rights and access to lands and resources within

[2:12:29] Voice 15: this territory and the tribe has no further comments regarding this referral watching

[2:12:35] Voice 15: first nation uh states that they defer to the first nation whose traditional territory this

[2:12:42] Voice 15: protest lies within the name of first nation defers comments on the above mentioned referral

[2:12:50] Voice 15: lake cowichan nation defers to first nations whose traditional territory this project lies

[2:12:56] Voice 15: Sawasin First Nation has no concerns regarding this file.

[2:13:01] Voice 15: Stay Out First Nation defers their comments

[2:13:04] Voice 15: to the local nations.

[2:13:09] Voice 15: Laiaksin First Nation supports the donation

[2:13:13] Voice 15: to the Connecticut tribe.

[2:13:15] Voice 15: The Ministry of Transportation and Transit

[2:13:17] Voice 15: has no objections.

[2:13:19] Voice 15: Again, BC Parks had comments over regarding the gates

[2:13:24] Voice 15: and also wanted to ensure the easement will remain

[2:13:27] Voice 15: remain on the property title for the dedicated road.

[2:13:32] Voice 15: Island Health has no objections

[2:13:33] Voice 15: as long as there's compliance

[2:13:35] Voice 15: with the Drinking Water Protection Act

[2:13:37] Voice 15: and the water system has an appropriate permit.

[2:13:42] Voice 15: The Galliano Fire Department did state

[2:13:45] Voice 15: that the emergency access should be required

[2:13:50] Voice 15: in compliance with the road network plan.

[2:13:53] Voice 15: Staff have confirmed with the Galliano Fire Chief

[2:13:56] Voice 15: that this is something the staff are recommending and this is a part or that recommendation the ltc

[2:14:01] Voice 15: will consider today uh main ltc has their stated their interests are unaffected and for this uh

[2:14:11] Voice 15: rezoning application only one public submission was received as of yesterday at 4 30.

[2:14:17] Voice 15: thank

[2:14:18] Voice 10: you um submissions can be made at any time during and until the close of this hearing

[2:14:24] Voice 10: um if any submissions are received during the meeting we will pause prior to closing to ensure

[2:14:30] Voice 10: that the local trust committee has time to review those submissions i invite members of public who

[2:14:36] Voice 10: wish to speak to raise your hand please state your name prior to making comments after your

[2:14:42] Voice 10: presentation to the local trust committee the trustees may ask a question but they are primarily

[2:14:46] Voice 10: primarily here to listen and will not debate the issues with you i'll call three times for

[2:14:51] Voice 10: speakers before closing the hearing at which point no further written or oral submissions can be made

[2:14:58] Voice 10: um so i will look for a show of hands who would like to speak yes sir i'm

[2:15:06] Voice 13: roger pettit and i

[2:15:09] Voice 13: support this application as well i'm very pleased that the land has been donated to my friends

[2:15:17] Voice 13: Yeah. Thank you. I saw one over here.

[2:15:25] Voice 13: Thank you, sir.

[2:15:27] Voice 13: I support this application.

[2:15:37] Voice 15: Thank you. Any others? Yes.

[2:15:40] Voice 14: And Lisa Heine from Victoria. I support both of the applications.

[2:15:45] Voice 12: Okay. Thank you. Any others back here?

[2:16:04] Voice 15: I'm humbled to be in this meeting with so many Penelope members and elders and to hear

[2:16:14] Voice 15: stories and and to feel the emotion and to some extent clear with my heart

[2:16:22] those being said uh i think that land back to indigenous people

[2:16:29] could be

[2:16:33] Voice 15: a key objective of the island's trust and at least you're going to do that

[2:16:39] Voice 15: And to that extent, I, I welcome it and, and support them.

[2:16:45] Voice 7: I do have an issue on the other side of the road.

[2:16:55] Voice 13: just the west,

[2:16:56] Voice 13: east

[2:16:59] Voice 12: of the road, with

[2:17:00] Voice 7: the way this is a lot 76.

[2:17:11] Voice 15: And look at me, there's

[2:17:16] Voice 15: a little similar to this one 79, which is a keeper. It's something very similar to the

[2:17:27] Voice 15: concept of these blocks 86 and 85 but in the case of district block 79 a substantial amount of

[2:17:37] Voice 15: waterfront was

[2:17:39] Voice 7: exchanged in returns for the higher density you consider that the district

[2:17:47] Voice 7: y85 there's very minimal there's two little strips at the top and the bottom the configuration

[2:18:10] Voice 7: They have received a mountain waterfront roughly equivalent to what was exchanged in this is

[2:18:21] about 79 i would have created a substantial waterfront

[2:18:30] Voice 8: access and then really the main

[2:18:35] Voice 7: point of the point of the whole this exchange of lands for higher density that's what this is

[2:18:46] it's an exchange of the three quarters

[2:18:50] Voice 15: of the landfill density which would otherwise be entitled

[2:18:56] Voice 15: it

[2:18:57] Voice 7: was to in terms of the forest ecosystem is to allow development but to preserve the forest

[2:19:09] Voice 7: ecosystem and part of the forest ecosystem of course the waterfront connects

[2:19:14] Voice 15: to the forest

[2:19:16] Voice 15: because part of it doesn't just cut it off and what he's done with this configuration

[2:19:20] Voice 15: is substantially cut off the forest which is going to be are going to be lands that have been out

[2:19:28] Voice 15: there that are going to receive that fire against it they're going to cut off those forest lands

[2:19:36] from the water now i don't agree with it i think it could have been easily reconfigured

[2:19:42] to be something

[2:19:43] Voice 15: more in line with what was done just in the summer of 1979.

[2:19:48] Voice 12: We haven't talked about that for months.

[2:19:51] And one more time, that's it.

[2:19:55] Voice 15: Thank you very much.

[2:19:56] Voice 12: Thank you.

[2:19:58] Voice 12: Anyone else?

[2:19:59] Voice 12: Asking once for more speakers.

[2:20:09] Very interesting.

[2:20:14] Voice 4: What he's talking about, I don't know what it is.

[2:20:19] Voice 4: I don't know if there's another people who already stopped.

[2:20:24] Voice 4: Because we don't have any books or anything like that to look at and take time to study what he's talking about.

[2:20:35] Voice 4: So we can't make any comments on if it's good or bad.

[2:20:39] Voice 4: But with that, I just wanted to inform the head people that we don't know what you guys are talking about when you talk about all that stuff.

[2:20:49] Voice 4: Thank you.

[2:20:51] Voice 4: Thank you for that.

[2:20:55] Voice 9: Yes?

[2:20:55] Voice 9: I

[2:20:58] Voice 15: think, I think that's a really good one. And when I was talking earlier about the islands,

[2:21:06] Voice 15: they have, they have, they have, they have, I asked what was

[2:21:17] Voice 14: actually very overarching

[2:21:31] Voice 15: I don't have a consult properly, but this isn't the time to start.

[2:21:38] Voice 15: It is the time to start.

[2:21:39] Voice 15: And it's true.

[2:21:46] Voice 15: Is this in terms of the policy statement or is this in terms of the bylaws?

[2:21:51] Voice 15: If you haven't talked about it, it is a very small carbon footprint that is available.

[2:22:00] Voice 15: It should be much larger.

[2:22:02] Voice 15: I think it's not a hard thing to do.

[2:22:04] Voice 15: We need access to the garden, and they've been humble.

[2:22:08] Voice 15: They've been grateful.

[2:22:09] Voice 15: And we're humble.

[2:22:12] Voice 15: The private development is going to be a very densely occupied

[2:22:20] Voice 15: waterfront where I'm not going to feel comfortable walking

[2:22:23] Voice 15: in front of those houses.

[2:22:25] Voice 15: And I think now that we should have access to that waterfront,

[2:22:28] they should be able to get out of the shelter.

[2:22:50] Voice 15: Thank you. I'm

[2:22:54] Voice 15: going to recognize

[2:22:55] Voice 10: Chief Jackett back there.

[2:22:56] Voice 10: Thank you.

[2:23:20] Voice 15: similarly to what's being posed here and we chose what we chose and we we know we're going in it

[2:23:28] Voice 15: with wide open eyes of the understanding of what we're doing so i just want to state that

[2:23:35] Voice 15: thank you thank

[2:23:37] Voice 12: you for that um so we will now proceed to close the public hearing

[2:23:44] Voice 12: uh please note after the public hearing closes the local trust committee will no longer be able

[2:23:49] Voice 12: to receive public submissions prior to making decisions so i'm going to ask once for more

[2:23:54] Voice 12: speakers that's

[2:23:59] Voice 9: correct i'm kurt erwin 148 part drive 12th ground i sit with the council council

[2:24:08] i'm in favor of both promotions to move

[2:24:10] Voice 6: forward i want to say that we're very humbled to be

[2:24:14] Voice 6: receiving this moving forward this is a huge step for all of us and uh we feel grateful and humbled

[2:24:21] Voice 7: the people who are doing this land thank the press for doing all the work we've done to move

[2:24:26] Voice 7: us forward with this motion and get us this far this is a huge step for us and uh we look forward

[2:24:33] Voice 7: to further conversations about this in the future for other lands yeah we're looking forward everybody

[2:24:40] Voice 6: i just wanted to point that out and i wanted to thank everybody i'd also like to thank michelle

[2:24:45] Voice 6: who comes to the meetings and ken promise who's been to lots of these meetings who come here and

[2:24:50] Voice 6: representatives all those people so people say we don't need to get together they bring the

[2:24:54] Voice 6: information back they

[2:24:56] Voice 13: share it all with us it's been a lot of work

[2:24:58] Voice 7: asking

[2:25:07] Voice 12: once for any more

[2:25:08] Voice 12: speakers i'm going to ask a second time for any more speakers and i'm asking a third time for

[2:25:18] Voice 12: any more speakers this

[2:25:21] Voice 10: is now the final opportunity for you to hand in a written submission to the

[2:25:24] Voice 12: local trust committee once the hearing is closed no additional submissions will be accepted

[2:25:30] Voice 12: Please

[2:25:36] Voice 10: be advised that we're now in the post public hearing stage of the legislative review

[2:25:41] Voice 10: of the proposed bylaws 294 and 295.

[2:25:45] Voice 10: The Galeano Island Local Trust Committee can now no longer receive information pertaining

[2:25:50] Voice 10: to the proposed bylaws.

[2:25:52] Voice 10: However, you may still submit any outstanding questions or comments directly to the planner.

[2:25:57] Voice 10: The Local Trust Committee may give further readings to the bylaw or repeat the bylaw

[2:26:02] Voice 10: or make minor amendments that do not affect the use or density without further notice or hearings

[2:26:09] Voice 12: and as a public hearing is now closed i'm going to return us to the main meeting

[2:26:16] Voice 12: trustees i'm looking at the time i'm going to propose propose that we advance um directly

[2:26:27] Voice 12: directly to section 16 and item 16.2 and 16.3 and then after that I'd like us to take a short break

[2:26:37] Voice 12: and then we'll see how

[2:26:38] Voice 12: much we can

[2:26:39] Voice 15: get done the rest of the day probably the policy referral I'm

[2:26:43] Voice 12: going to guess

[2:26:43] Voice 15: and then

[2:26:44] Voice 15: we're going to have

[2:26:45] Voice 12: to probably put everything else off a special

[2:26:48] Voice 12: electronic meetings so um starting on page 55 we have a staff report from planners doctor and some

[2:27:01] Voice 12: recommendations pertaining to bylaws that we just held the public hearings for so i'm going to turn

[2:27:06] Voice 12: it over to planners doctor

[2:27:08] Voice 15: to introduce thank you i'm just going to highlight the recommendations

[2:27:12] Voice 15: and why staff are proposing or them to the ltc the first one is first one is to give third reading to

[2:27:19] Voice 15: the ocp amendments the second is to make amendments to the land use bylaw by adding the

[2:27:26] Voice 15: words non-profit park or conservation society as an option for an entity to uphold the park plans

[2:27:37] Voice 15: in addition the applicant has provided us with a site plan so that's been included in the bylaw as

[2:27:44] Voice 15: well um and then after that the ltc could give third reading to the land use file amendments

[2:27:52] Voice 15: as amended and the second or those two two last recommendations there is to forward the

[2:28:00] Voice 15: bylaws to the executive committee and also the ministry uh for approval happy to answer any

[2:28:07] Voice 15: any questions great

[2:28:09] Voice 12: um trustees any questions all

[2:28:15] Voice 8: right

[2:28:16] Voice 12: who'd like to make the first motion

[2:28:21] Voice 12: yeah go ahead um

[2:28:22] Voice 6: i just want to thank everybody um

[2:28:27] Voice 6: it was it was great to hear the elders get up and speak it was it was really you know

[2:28:36] Voice 6: um you don't

[2:28:37] Voice 6: get a whole bunch of time at um trust meetings to hear what you're hiring and um so i'm thankful

[2:28:44] Voice 6: i'm thankful for that i'm thankful for everybody it was good to hear um frank order of the park

[2:28:51] Voice 6: commission talk about moving forward with um applications and working on part-time with

[2:28:56] Voice 6: malik and so figuring out how that works so that's it was good to hear that um it's sort of

[2:29:03] Voice 6: a wrinkle in this service system that we kind of have to work through um so um thank you for that

[2:29:10] Voice 6: um but it gives me great pleasure to move that the galliano island local trust committee bylaw number

[2:29:17] Voice 6: 292 cited as galliano island official community plan number one i don't need my glasses

[2:29:25] Voice 6: 1-0-8-1995, amendment number 1, 2024, be read a third time.

[2:29:31] Voice 6: Bill, seconded.

[2:29:32] Voice 6: Any further discussion?

[2:29:34] Voice 15: I'd like to know what Ben has said.

[2:29:38] Voice 15: Sometimes I have the OCP here,

[2:29:40] Voice 15: I'm looking at transportation policy,

[2:29:43] Voice 15: and not in transportation policy,

[2:29:46] Voice 15: so the

[2:29:46] Voice 14: wildest dream would it be considering

[2:29:49] Voice 14: anything that we discussed today.

[2:29:50] Voice 14: day.

[2:29:50] Voice 15: So as I've taken an oath to uphold the mandate, I need to have an open mind and I need to balance.

[2:30:00] Voice 15: what i've heard in my heart today too and

[2:30:02] Voice 9: understand that the

[2:30:03] Voice 15: values for the land are not

[2:30:05] Voice 15: always found in our ocp so that's what i said thank

[2:30:11] Voice 10: you and i just i just want to take a moment

[2:30:13] Voice 10: to um add my words of respect to all the elders coming and sharing their stories today and

[2:30:20] Voice 10: listening with our hearts i also um want to uh directly thank um chief and council and and also

[2:30:28] Voice 10: michelle and ken who has been um such a huge part of coming and and really being the direct link

[2:30:37] Voice 10: between uh chief and council on this committee um and and i doubt we'd be where we are today

[2:30:43] Voice 10: without uh your work for the audience for that that's important and um any further

[2:30:49] Voice 10: discussion i would call the question all those in favor and that carries

[2:31:03] Voice 15: I move that the Galeano Local Trust Committee, bylaw number 293, cited as the Galeano Land Use Bylaw number 127, 1999, amendment number 1, 2024, be amended by A, amending section 2.1, to add the words non-profit park or conservation society, after the words capital regional district,

[2:31:29] Voice 15: district and by b updating the site plan and plan number two

[2:31:34] Voice 10: seconded by trustee maverly any

[2:31:38] Voice 10: discussion if you're not seeing any i'll call the question all those in favor the motion carries

[2:31:45] Voice 6: i move that the galliano island local trust committee bylaw number 293 cited as galliano

[2:31:50] Voice 6: island land use bylaw number 127 1999 amendment number one 2004 you've

[2:31:57] Voice 12: read a third time as

[2:31:57] Voice 12: members any discussion i'll call the question all those in favor that carries i think that

[2:32:14] Voice 15: galliano local trustee proposed bylaws number uh 292 and 293 be forwarded to the secretary

[2:32:21] Voice 15: of the alice trust for executive committee and approval

[2:32:27] Voice 8: approval

[2:32:27] Voice 15: second year of the island's trust or executive committee for approval we didn't have

[2:32:33] Voice 15: a second yeah yep

[2:32:34] Voice 15: yep okay move

[2:32:37] Voice 10: seconded any discussion all those

[2:32:42] Voice 10: in favor and that motion

[2:32:45] Voice 10: carries

[2:32:45] Voice 6: i moved that the galliano island local trust committee proposed bylaw number 292 and

[2:32:50] Voice 6: 293 be forward to the minister of housing and municipal affairs and

[2:32:54] Voice 12: we've

[2:32:57] Voice 10: been seconded any

[2:32:58] Voice 10: Any discussion?

[2:32:59] Voice 9: None.

[2:32:59] Voice 10: Seeing none, I'll call the question.

[2:33:01] Voice 10: All those in favor?

[2:33:02] Voice 10: And that motion carries.

[2:33:06] Voice 10: Thank you for that.

[2:33:07] Voice 10: That's

[2:33:12] Voice 15: what happens when you don't ask somebody

[2:33:14] Voice 15: to proofread your staff report.

[2:33:15] Voice 15: So I apologize for those errors.

[2:33:18] Voice 15: And in next rezoning application,

[2:33:20] Voice 15: I do know that it's only the OCP by-law

[2:33:23] Voice 15: that's going to the minister,

[2:33:24] Voice 15: so that was an error, but that's okay.

[2:33:27] Voice 15: Also, planning staff will be working with the applicant

[2:33:30] Voice 15: to finalize the covenants

[2:33:32] Voice 15: and hope to schedule a meeting with the galeno parks and recreation parks and recreation

[2:33:37] Voice 15: commission bc parks to delegate all of those um that have an interested party or interest in this

[2:33:45] Voice 15: rezoning application to iron out those details

[2:33:47] Voice 10: thank you for that information all right um next

[2:33:53] Voice 12: i'm going to move us along on page 67 we have a staff report um for the district lot 85 rezoning

[2:34:02] Voice 12: the application i'll turn it over to clarence doc though thank

[2:34:05] Voice 15: you so on page 67 under the

[2:34:08] Voice 15: recommendations number one staff is recommending that a statutory right-of-way for emergency access

[2:34:15] Voice 15: is received based on the road network plan and the ocp and also based on a recommendation from

[2:34:23] Voice 15: the galliano fire department the second recommendation there there were amendments

[2:34:30] Voice 15: amendments made to bylaw 294 at the previous meeting and I noted actually that that was

[2:34:36] Voice 15: in terms of the aggregate zone portion of land and it was actually then rezoned and

[2:34:42] Voice 15: changed the designation to nature protection and there were some few other amendments made

[2:34:48] Voice 15: there so that's more technical in nature. The third is getting third reading as amended

[2:34:54] Voice 15: The fourth is very similar to what was done with file number 293, again deleting a reference

[2:35:04] Voice 15: to a zone that has an incorrect zone there in section 2.1, again a reference to aggregate

[2:35:14] Voice 15: extraction that needs to be removed, and also reference to a non-profit park or conservation

[2:35:20] Voice 15: Society to potentially receive the park plant. Number five there is for third reading as

[2:35:29] Voice 15: amended for the land use by-law. The sixth one there is to forward the two by-laws to

[2:35:37] Voice 15: the Executive Committee and the seventh is to forward the OCP by-law number 294 to the

[2:35:44] Voice 15: Minister for approval.

[2:35:45] Voice 15: all okay

[2:35:47] Voice 12: thank you trustees any questions or comments before we proceed uh no

[2:35:52] Voice 15: i move that the local trust committee request staff to work with the capital

[2:35:59] Voice 15: regional district to draft a statutory right-of-way for emergency access to district block 85.

[2:36:07] Voice 10: moved second second is any discussion i think none i'll call the question all those in favor

[2:36:13] Voice 10: motion carries i

[2:36:15] Voice 6: move that the galliano island local trust committee bylaw number 294 is cited

[2:36:20] Voice 6: as galliano island official community plan bylaw number 1895 amendment number 2 2024

[2:36:26] Voice 6: be amended by deleting the words aggregate extraction and moving the word and before

[2:36:33] Voice 6: the word trails in section one moved

[2:36:35] Voice 12: seconded any discussion i will call the question all those in

[2:36:40] Voice 12: favor the motion carries thank

[2:36:43] Voice 15: you i move that the local trust committee my law number 294 cited as

[2:36:49] Voice 15: the galliano island official community plan number 108 1995 amendment number two

[2:36:56] Voice 15: 2024 be read a third uh third time as amended second

[2:37:02] Voice 10: accepted by trustee maverly any discussion

[2:37:05] Voice 10: i'm not seeing any i'll call the question all those in favor that motion is carried

[2:37:09] Voice 10: I

[2:37:10] Voice 6: move that the Galiano Island Local Trust Committee

[2:37:12] Voice 6: bylaw number 295 cited as Galiano Island Land Use

[2:37:16] Voice 6: bylaw number 127, 1999, amendment number one, 2024,

[2:37:21] Voice 6: be amended by A, deleting the words forest industrial,

[2:37:25] Voice 6: C to F1C in section 2.1.

[2:37:29] Voice 6: B, deleting the words aggregate extraction

[2:37:33] Voice 6: and moving the word N before the word trails

[2:37:36] Voice 6: in section 2.1 and by c adding the words non-profit park or conservation society after

[2:37:43] Voice 6: the words capital regional district in section 2.1 move second by trustee

[2:37:48] Voice 12: govro for discussion

[2:37:51] Voice 12: seeing none of all the questions all those in favor that motion carries

[2:37:56] Voice 15: i move that the local trust committee bylaw number 295 cited as the galliano island landing

[2:38:03] Voice 15: bylaw number 227 1999 be amended amendment number one uh 2004 be read a third time as amended

[2:38:13] Voice 12: second by trustee maberly any discussion seeing none i'll call the question all those in favor

[2:38:21] Voice 12: the motion carries number six i move

[2:38:25] Voice 6: that the galliano island trust committee proposed bylaw

[2:38:27] Voice 6: number bylaws number 294 and 295 be forwarded to the secretary of the honest trust for executive

[2:38:34] Voice 6: committee for approval

[2:38:35] Voice 12: seconded

[2:38:37] Voice 6: any discussion seeing none

[2:38:40] Voice 10: i'll call the question all those in

[2:38:41] Voice 10: favor the motion is carried

[2:38:43] Voice 10: i

[2:38:44] Voice 15: move that the galliano local trust committee proposed bylaw

[2:38:47] Voice 15: number 294 and 295 be forwarded to the minister of housing and municipal affairs for approval

[2:38:58] Voice 6: As you said, I think we're going to have to learn a little bit together.

[2:39:03] Voice 12: I'll second.

[2:39:05] Voice 12: We'll second any further discussion.

[2:39:08] Voice 12: Okay, it's my honor to call the question, and all

[2:39:12] Voice 10: those in favor.

[2:39:15] And

[2:39:24] Voice 10: I just want to briefly

[2:39:26] Voice 3: comment, this is

[2:39:28] Voice 10: the only place I've ever been where there's

[2:39:30] Voice 10: been applause, and we've passed it.

[2:39:35] Voice 10: I want to thank everybody.

[2:39:37] Voice 10: I think we should take a short break and then we'll come back and prioritize what we're going to do with the rest of our time.

[2:39:45] Voice 10: So let's take, just before

[2:39:47] Voice 15: we go, a quick word.

[2:39:50] Voice 15: I want to say our sincerest thank yous to the Matheson and Bairstow's, Bairstow, sorry,

[2:39:57] Voice 15: sorry um from thinking outside the box and thinking in a way that thinks of us as people

[2:40:08] Voice 15: that's not ever a priority for our people in that way and our hearts are full and you've heard our

[2:40:18] Voice 15: elders our self-planned state the meaning of the land and what it means to them and it's so

[2:40:26] Voice 15: heartfelt i can't say enough thank yous to you for thinking of our people um and i can't say

[2:40:38] Voice 15: enough thank yous to our elders for coming and being here to be able to give the history it's

[2:40:45] Voice 15: not a story it's history it's what our arsalan has lived and learned on the land we're people

[2:40:54] Voice 15: of the land and the water

[2:40:57] Voice 15: we're part of that

[2:40:58] Voice 15: our medicines are part of that

[2:41:00] Voice 15: and I just want to say my hands

[2:41:03] Voice 15: are up to you and my hands

[2:41:04] Voice 15: are up to you Michelle for

[2:41:07] Voice 15: calling me and calling me

[2:41:08] Voice 15: and telling me and saying get out of here

[2:41:11] Voice 15: get out of here calling

[2:41:12] Voice 15: telling him to get out of here

[2:41:14] Voice 15: if it weren't for Michelle doing

[2:41:16] Voice 15: that we wouldn't be in this place

[2:41:18] Voice 15: today if it weren't

[2:41:21] Voice 15: for Kenny being out here

[2:41:23] Voice 15: to represent us um and calling me out here as well so i want to say my hands are up to you as well

[2:41:33] Voice 15: for the elders our elders i also sorry i also want to recognize the flemings and the

[2:41:49] Voice 15: yes i want to say that too my hands are up to you guys as well i just

[2:41:55] Voice 15: i just wanted to say

[2:41:56] Voice 15: so i hope this opens the door for future negotiations between the finality and the trust

[2:42:03] Voice 15: and our elders some of them haven't eaten so i want to get them fed

[2:42:08] Voice 15: because it's a long drive back and a long route back so if you could excuse our others

[2:42:15] Voice 15: um we don't mean any disrespect but we want to get them fed

[2:57:21] Voice 9: okay now i did say we were going to resume

[2:57:23] Voice 12: at four but

[2:57:25] Voice 9: i'm going to

[2:57:25] Voice 12: check it in if our staff

[2:57:26] Voice 12: are with us then we'll just get rolling here okay uh looks like our staff and we're going to

[2:57:51] Voice 12: reorder a little bit because we're not going to get through everything today and that's

[2:57:55] Voice 12: okay we'll probably um look for a motion to call a special electronic meeting to deal with some of

[2:58:03] Voice 12: the business that we can't finish today um but so the suggestion is if we go through item 17

[2:58:13] Voice 12: and then we will go back to the rest of the applications and referrals and uh and should

[2:58:21] Voice 12: be able to get all of that done and then we can hold um the rest for the special meeting we want

[2:58:26] Voice 12: to just um

[2:58:26] Voice 6: travel through the 11s first and then jump out uh for paperwork reasons okay we can

[2:58:33] Voice 12: yeah that won't take long 11s just for minutes and stuff like that

[2:58:38] Voice 10: okay all right yeah i do have that

[2:58:40] Voice 10: marked

[2:58:41] Voice 12: so let's

[2:58:42] Voice 10: let's uh resume um 11.1 which is the minutes dated december 9th 2025 for adoption

[2:58:49] Voice 12: I'll look to trustees if there's any amendments regarding.

[2:58:52] Voice 12: Not seeing any, I'll

[2:58:53] Voice 12: take it by general consent.

[2:58:55] Voice 12: We will adopt those minutes as presented.

[2:58:59] Voice 12: We have the resolutions without meeting report

[2:59:01] Voice 10: all the way for information.

[2:59:05] Voice 10: And we have the advisory planning commission minutes

[2:59:07] Voice 10: dated November 25th, January 6th, 13th and 27th

[2:59:13] Voice 10: and January 30th referral

[2:59:17] Voice 12: report for receipt.

[2:59:18] Voice 12: and again i want to um just take a moment and thank the abc commissioners for doing an awful

[2:59:26] Voice 12: lot of work in a short period of time and uh express my appreciation i read through those

[2:59:32] Voice 12: reports um a lot of dedication and hard work and i appreciate that we do have a follow-up action

[2:59:41] Voice 12: list at 12.1 and i'll look to staff see if there's any updates needed there are updates

[2:59:48] Voice 15: okay

[2:59:48] Voice 12: and any questions from trustees okay

[2:59:52] Voice 10: uh yeah so then i would like to skip to 17.1

[3:00:00] Voice 10: and then we'll come back and finish the rest of the applications and referrals so over to planner

[3:00:05] Voice 10: stockdale for the associated islands regulation review project report thank

[3:00:10] Voice 15: you chair so the

[3:00:12] Voice 15: this report is to give options to proceed with notice of first reading for this project uh

[3:00:19] Voice 15: staff have provided a draft bylaw and the draft bylaw um rezones all the associate islands and

[3:00:29] Voice 15: and the Fillmore Point lot.

[3:00:32] Voice 15: They're currently zoned small lot residential.

[3:00:35] Voice 15: It's gonna be re-zoned to small island residential.

[3:00:39] Voice 15: The small island residential zone

[3:00:42] Voice 15: nears the small lot residential to every aspect.

[3:00:46] Voice 15: The reason for this new zone is that we can tailor

[3:00:49] Voice 15: exemptions to the natural boundary of the sea

[3:00:52] Voice 15: specifically for this new zone,

[3:00:54] Voice 15: and those are listed in the staff report.

[3:00:56] Voice 15: court um so because the land use bylaw uh is in compliance with the ocp um the ltc does not have

[3:01:08] Voice 15: to hold a public hearing you can go forward with um giving notice of first reading and that's the

[3:01:15] Voice 15: recommendation number one um the second is for recommendation to hold a community information

[3:01:22] Voice 15: information meeting. This would be scheduled right before the notice of first reading or the first reading. And the third motion is to send out a mail to all affected law owners that would be re-zoned, just to let them know of the notice of first reading.

[3:01:41] Voice 15: meeting. The draft bylaw will be sent to the advisory planning

[3:01:47] Voice 15: commission. Originally, the deadline for response was going

[3:01:51] Voice 15: to be end of March, but my understanding is the LTC members

[3:01:54] Voice 15: are going to be away and can't meet until mid or end of March.

[3:01:57] Voice 15: So that will be extended most likely to the end of April. So

[3:02:02] Voice 15: the LTC, there's three motions there for your consideration,

[3:02:07] Voice 15: and I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

[3:02:10] Voice 15: any questions or comments uh

[3:02:14] Voice 15: no i'm actually in favor of these i think it's time to get

[3:02:17] Voice 15: the first reading so we can get to that get to the community information meeting get uh

[3:02:21] Voice 15: get the white house out there yeah

[3:02:23] Voice 6: we're good we're on that stage so um yeah all right i'm

[3:02:28] Voice 6: ready to entertain the vote i'll

[3:02:29] Voice 15: start i move that pursuant to the local government act

[3:02:32] Voice 15: Section 464.2, the Galeano Local Trust Committee resolves not to hold a public hearing for bylaw number 300, cited as a Galeano land use bylaw number 127-1999, amendment number 1-2026.

[3:02:51] Voice 15: And that staff gives notice of first reading in accordance with section 467 of the Local Government Act.

[3:02:59] Voice 6: Move.

[3:02:59] Voice 6: Second.

[3:03:01] Voice 6: Seconded.

[3:03:01] Voice 6: any further discussion no

[3:03:03] Voice 9: i'm

[3:03:04] Voice 6: seeing any i'll call the question all those in favor

[3:03:07] Voice 6: that motion carries i move that the galliano local trust committee request out to schedule

[3:03:12] Voice 6: a community information meeting for draft bylaw number 300 prior to first reading

[3:03:16] Voice 6: move second second

[3:03:19] Voice 15: any discussion no i'll call the question all those in favor

[3:03:24] Voice 15: the motion carries i move the galliano local trust committee request staff to mail the notice

[3:03:30] Voice 15: a first reading to all associated islands and both access only residents moved seconded by trustee

[3:03:38] Voice 15: maberly any discussion i'll call the question all those in favor and that carries as well

[3:03:46] Voice 12: all right uh so back to section 16 uh 16.1 starting on page 47 we have the rezoning uh

[3:03:57] Voice 12: uh palmberg bill bylaw number 296 consideration of adoption we have a staff report i'll turn it

[3:04:05] Voice 12: over to planners thank you so staff

[3:04:08] Voice 15: are still working with the applicant to draft the section

[3:04:12] Voice 15: 219 covenant the applicant has provided the ecological overview report just late last week

[3:04:20] Voice 15: so that's been on that's almost the application web page um so staff are moving forward to

[3:04:28] Voice 15: potentially scheduling the public hearing of the cim or the land use bylaw um in a few months but

[3:04:35] Voice 15: this stuff report is specifically uh for the ocp amendment bylaw um the ltc gave it first second

[3:04:44] Voice 15: of their reading it's been to the executive committee um on august 6 of last year in which

[3:04:51] Voice 15: it was approved by ec was sent to the minister of municipal affairs of housing and that bylaw

[3:04:58] Voice 15: was approved on december 7th of last year and now it's back for the consideration of adoption

[3:05:04] Voice 15: by the ltc and that's the motion number one on page 47.

[3:05:08] Voice 13: okay trustees any questions or comments

[3:05:11] Voice 13: no

[3:05:12] Voice 15: it seems pretty much a little bit administrative it's got approval from the minister

[3:05:16] Voice 15: okay

[3:05:17] Voice 6: uh i'll entertain the motion okay i move that the galliano island trust committee bylaw

[3:05:24] Voice 6: number 296 cited as galliano island official community plan byline number 108 1995 amendment

[3:05:30] Voice 6: number three 2024 be adopted moved seconded any further discussion no i'll

[3:05:38] Voice 12: call the question all

[3:05:39] Voice 12: those in favor and that carries thank you uh next starting on page 81 we have a staff report

[3:05:48] Voice 12: uh for the renewal of temporary uh use permit for 2517 stewardess bay road and over plan

[3:05:56] Voice 12: thank you

[3:05:57] Voice 15: i'm going to present the staff report on behalf of planner belcher uh this renewal of the

[3:06:02] Voice 15: TUP permits a community art center and short-term guest accommodation for artists. The TUP was

[3:06:11] Voice 15: originally approved over three or three years ago. It expires on the March 14th of this year,

[3:06:19] Voice 15: so the applicants have come forward to renew the permit. The original permit had two conditions

[3:06:25] Voice 15: that had to be completed prior to issuance of a T&P renewal,

[3:06:30] Voice 15: and that is the construction of two fences.

[3:06:33] Voice 15: Those have been completed and staff did a site visit to confirm that.

[3:06:40] Voice 15: Also, there have been no formal complaints received regarding this temporary use permit.

[3:06:47] Voice 15: So in consideration of renewal, the only thing that the LTC can change for TUP renewal is

[3:06:57] Voice 15: actually the period of issuance.

[3:06:59] Voice 15: So staff is recommending approval for another three years, but just a note that you can't

[3:07:05] Voice 15: change any conditions in the permit.

[3:07:07] Voice 15: So there is a recommendation there for the LTC to approve issuance of the renewal for

[3:07:13] Voice 15: the tup for another three years all

[3:07:18] Voice 12: right thank you uh trustees any

[3:07:20] Voice 6: questions comments

[3:07:21] Voice 6: um just for me i think you know um because we have one of the applicants here

[3:07:26] Voice 6: thank

[3:07:27] Voice 13: you very

[3:07:29] Voice 13: much for your continued support um this year we're looking at getting charity

[3:07:35] Voice 13: status and we're looking for ways that the yellow belt entertainment society can obtain

[3:07:42] Voice 13: in the

[3:07:42] Voice 15: ownership of the land so we can proceed with

[3:07:44] Voice 13: zoning for our center at that location.

[3:07:49] Voice 13: That's our word of that. We look forward to having

[3:07:52] Voice 6: some years to do that again.

[3:07:55] Voice 6: For me, I mean community feedback just proves to me that the issuance of the first PUP was

[3:08:03] Voice 6: easily the right move, and so I move that the Galliano Local Trust Committee approve

[3:08:08] Voice 6: to approve issuance of this renewal temporary use permit PLTUP-2025-0471, part of it, for a period of three years.

[3:08:17] Voice 14: Second.

[3:08:18] Voice 14: Move, seconded.

[3:08:19] Voice 10: Any further discussion? No. Then I shall call the question. All those in favour? And that motion carries.

[3:08:26] Voice 10: Thank you.

[3:08:28] Voice 10: okay next we have a starting on page 94 we have a referral from the main

[3:08:35] Voice 10: island local trust committee uh they're about 200 and uh over to planner stockdale to see if

[3:08:45] Voice 10: there's anything you'd like to highlight here just

[3:08:48] Voice 15: highlighting that um this uh referral is

[3:08:52] Voice 15: is to rezone a portion of the foreshore for the BC ferries,

[3:08:58] Voice 15: specifically to amend it to a site-specific zone

[3:09:01] Voice 15: to permit a shoreline stabilization structure

[3:09:04] Voice 15: to prevent erosion and slumping of upland property.

[3:09:09] Voice 15: And as we saw today, they have already

[3:09:11] Voice 9: been working on it.

[3:09:12] Voice 9: So.

[3:09:17] Voice 9: So

[3:09:18] Voice 15: the LTC has a state,

[3:09:22] Voice 15: and they have referral response there on page 97 okay

[3:09:27] Voice 10: um and we have some options there at the

[3:09:30] Voice 10: bottom of page 94 and i'll look to trustees for questions or comments i

[3:09:37] Voice 15: think that option number

[3:09:38] Voice 15: one our interests are effective yep

[3:09:41] Voice 12: all right well i will entertain motion

[3:09:45] Voice 15: yep i move the

[3:09:47] Voice 15: galliano local trust committee respond to the main island local trust committee that interests

[3:09:52] Voice 15: this are unaffected by draft bylaw number two

[3:09:55] Voice 12: second seconded any further discussion yes

[3:10:04] Voice 15: i'll

[3:10:04] Voice 12: call the question all in favor

[3:10:06] Voice 15: and

[3:10:07] Voice 12: that carries thank you okay uh this brings us to 16.6

[3:10:13] Voice 12: starting on page 98 which is the trust council bylaw number 186 or 183 pardon me policy state

[3:10:22] Voice 12: prefer a bylaw or response and

[3:10:25] Voice 13: uh i know i saw mr yeomans earlier online

[3:10:32] Voice 12: and i'll see if he is

[3:10:34] Voice 12: still with us over to you sir

[3:10:40] Voice 12: oh

[3:10:41] Voice 1: thank you chair um it's not actually my intention to do much

[3:10:44] Voice 1: speaking i'm largely here just to listen and if any questions arise in the course of your

[3:10:48] Voice 1: discussion that you think um i can provide some helpful information i'm happy to do so but

[3:10:54] Voice 1: But this is your time.

[3:10:57] Voice 13: All right.

[3:10:57] Voice 13: Thank you, trustees.

[3:11:00] Voice 13: Hopefully

[3:11:00] Voice 10: we're all quite familiar

[3:11:02] Voice 12: with the subject of the referral in front of us.

[3:11:07] Voice 12: And I will open for discussion, trustees.

[3:11:13] Voice 15: Well, I have been involved with many discussions on the trust policy statement,

[3:11:20] Voice 15: a drafting of the statement particularly the 11 plus Cal meetings that we had I sit on the trust

[3:11:29] Voice 15: program committee that was tasked with delivering this draft and I sit as chair of the illness trust

[3:11:35] Voice 15: conservancy as well and we've already discussed and submitted our response so I sit here now as

[3:11:42] Voice 15: the elected trustee for the family in Ohio so there's a lot of different lenses that I've taken

[3:11:49] Voice 15: to look at this trust policy statement and it is my opinion that this draft is not detrimental to

[3:11:56] Voice 15: the galliano ocp i in many ways our ocp is ahead of the curve on many of the policies in this draft

[3:12:06] Voice 15: if you're to put these two documents side by side which is how unfortunate we're all and the biggest

[3:12:12] Voice 15: shift that the 2005 draft policy statement uh introduces is that there's more of the

[3:12:19] Voice 15: explicit language around reconciliation uh fresh water ecosystem integrity and housing directives

[3:12:28] Voice 15: these are the policies that go further than our ocp so from my lpc perspective i support

[3:12:36] Voice 15: The trust policy draft moving forward. However, it is not perfect. So I would support option three, of course, the referral response, maybe setting some of the feedback we heard from the community or from the work of the APC.

[3:12:55] Voice 15: And I've also been looking at seeing what other LTCs have been putting forward in their response.

[3:13:00] Voice 15: response. I'll leave it there because I have lots of notes. I'm not sure exactly where to start with what I want to put in.

[3:13:09] Voice 15: I'm pretty opinionated by hearing.

[3:13:14] Voice 10: Thank you. Trustee Mabry?

[3:13:18] Voice 6: Yeah, I'm still at this point that I think this process is moving too fast.

[3:13:26] Voice 6: I think we haven't had enough time as a community to really integrate and analyze and integrate the feedback at this point, let alone what we're going to get in the future.

[3:13:43] Voice 6: I think there's been, well, in my opinion, I know staff have worked hard to get nations involved in, you know, the sort of drafting of the referral.

[3:14:01] Voice 6: But we've gone through a process where we've changed it.

[3:14:04] Voice 6: We haven't come back to First Nations yet as well.

[3:14:07] Voice 6: So I'm almost like we're just a step away.

[3:14:12] Voice 6: I mean, the reason I pushed for first reading

[3:14:15] Voice 6: is so we could get to this discussion point,

[3:14:17] Voice 6: so we could get to these discussions points, right?

[3:14:22] Voice 6: So, I mean, I think the reality is that things

[3:14:25] Voice 6: were a long ways, in my opinion, from what our policy statement,

[3:14:30] Voice 6: the policy statement should have looked like.

[3:14:34] Voice 6: One of my sort of, well, I've got two sort of issues

[3:14:41] Voice 6: that I really sort of zone in on.

[3:14:45] Voice 6: i i agree when talking with the penelope and i've heard this from the crowd today too is there's

[3:14:52] Voice 6: some flowery language in there in regards to referrals to the nations and um and there's

[3:15:00] Voice 6: nothing really concrete and if we're going to work together and clearly if you watch today

[3:15:07] Voice 6: we know how to do that where is it perfect no but we're learning and so i think there needs

[3:15:12] Voice 6: needs to be more concrete, directed policies in the,

[3:15:19] Voice 6: if we're gonna have directed policies,

[3:15:20] Voice 6: there has to be directed policies

[3:15:22] Voice 6: around First Nations engagement.

[3:15:25] Voice 6: And that has to include First Nations

[3:15:27] Voice 6: being at the table when we do that.

[3:15:29] Voice 6: So we haven't even had the chance as an LTC

[3:15:32] Voice 6: to go to Nellie and sit down with them

[3:15:35] Voice 6: and walk through the trust policy statement.

[3:15:39] and we saw

[3:15:41] you know the

[3:15:44] culmination of

[3:15:45] the process the three years

[3:15:47] because

[3:15:48] Voice 6: we started day one

[3:15:49] Voice 6: with Penelope

[3:15:49] Voice 6: on those two fine levels

[3:15:52] and

[3:15:53] Voice 6: the three years of

[3:15:55] Voice 6: what we ended up with today

[3:15:59] Voice 6: were

[3:15:59] Voice 6: you know we haven't had a meeting yet

[3:16:02] Voice 6: with Penelope

[3:16:03] Voice 6: and so that's one of the

[3:16:06] Voice 6: issues I have is I think

[3:16:07] Voice 6: the problem with it right now is it's it's worse it's not actions right and so how do we get to

[3:16:15] Voice 6: actions uh the second thing is and it's probably more political sort of in my mind about when i

[3:16:27] Voice 6: look at the trust area and we try to draft a policy statement that suits everybody that's

[3:16:36] Voice 6: to work for everybody and if people can tell me you can get a policy statement that works their

[3:16:41] Voice 6: salt springs and works for the sea right or peace island or gambier island i mean i don't see how

[3:16:49] Voice 6: that's possible right i don't see how you can get a good policy statement with directive policies

[3:17:01] Voice 6: that work for so many communities that are so different from each other

[3:17:05] Voice 9: And

[3:17:06] Voice 6: so, from that perspective, I worry that Galliano loses its uniqueness, right, in a

[3:17:20] Voice 6: large document that is basically governance from the top down and not from the bottom

[3:17:30] Voice 6: up.

[3:17:30] Voice 6: And that's a problem.

[3:17:32] Voice 6: So, you clearly know where I'm going here.

[3:17:36] Voice 6: i mean

[3:17:36] Voice 15: i'm

[3:17:38] Voice 6: a long ways from yeah

[3:17:40] Voice 15: from yeah i agree with it yeah and i agree with you on many

[3:17:43] Voice 15: points there too because you think that our ocp is i mean that the policy statement is important

[3:17:48] Voice 15: but it's not as important as our ocp and we know we need a relief um and we know that the

[3:17:57] Voice 15: policy statement was has had tremendous first nations feedback we're looking back to

[3:18:05] Voice 15: comments and statements going back

[3:18:09] Voice 15: back in 2021

[3:18:11] Voice 15: to first start getting engagement recommendations

[3:18:14] Voice 15: from First Nations. We're doing this thing and trying to put that information

[3:18:17] Voice 15: into this document. And then we got it. And we kind of

[3:18:22] Voice 15: tinkered with it and pulled some of it out. Some of it ended up on the floor.

[3:18:26] Voice 15: Some of it got dumped back in and sprinkled in there.

[3:18:29] Voice 15: So I very much agree with you that this needs to go back to the Nations.

[3:18:33] Voice 15: But I also know that I've read in First Nations referral, it's like, yeah, approve it. Go ahead. It's the next thing that we work closer together on to create that draft. It will depend. To do it, yeah, not just in a co-governance kind of, maybe a third draft, and maybe they will depend on certain policies, or we have that conversation, right?

[3:18:57] Voice 15: But I don't know that we need to have those be perfect to get to that conversation.

[3:19:03] Voice 15: I don't think what happened today here with Galliano, you know, our uniqueness to be able to have that conversation and to be able to move forward and figure out what we did with bylaws,

[3:19:17] Voice 14: that didn't come from the policy statement, it came from us.

[3:19:20] Voice 14: And we won't lose that just because the policy statement will say something different.

[3:19:26] Voice 14: The main feedback

[3:19:28] Voice 15: that I've heard about this is that it's way too vague.

[3:19:31] Voice 15: It's ambiguous. It's not enough. It's not directive enough.

[3:19:35] Voice 15: I think the policy you're talking about for engagement

[3:19:37] Voice 15: is the only directive policy around engagement with First Nations,

[3:19:42] Voice 15: the policy 331, which is the one policy, I think, out of the whole damn thing

[3:19:46] Voice 15: that needs to pass, is that we need to have that in the OCPs

[3:19:50] Voice 15: so that the next term is thinking like do you think right now you know that's important to

[3:19:57] Voice 15: engage with the nations from the get-go with with every referral for all the applications he needs

[3:20:03] Voice 15: to go to um first nations earlier that's that's key i think that's what this if there's one thing

[3:20:10] Voice 15: that this policy statement will do is that

[3:20:14] Voice 6: you think this draft will do that you think this

[3:20:17] Voice 6: draft we'll do that uh

[3:20:19] Voice 15: yeah but then i

[3:20:21] Voice 15: think i think it'll get better as the drafts go because

[3:20:24] Voice 15: i think as soon as this draft's done we should be picking it up again and not sitting on a shelf for

[3:20:29] Voice 15: how many decades because the problem we have now we had to do the whole thing the whole thing had

[3:20:35] Voice 15: to get redone so it doesn't look like any of the draft but these are different times nothing's

[3:20:40] Voice 15: going to look the same in the future um stewardship is not going to look the same you know how we

[3:20:45] Voice 15: operate from day to day is not going to look the same so we need to kind of catch up and meet this

[3:20:50] Voice 15: minute and meet this time to have a draft that is nimble enough to move along with us

[3:20:57] Voice 15: i don't think it's perfect at all but i think it is going to serve us well

[3:21:04] Voice 6: i i mean i i hear what you're saying i think the problem we have is this

[3:21:12] Voice 6: what you saw today leapfrogged the trust policy statement,

[3:21:16] Voice 9: right? We

[3:21:18] Voice 6: are now in a position when

[3:21:19] Voice 6: those applications are completed that we're in a co-government situation and there's nothing in

[3:21:28] Voice 6: the draft policy statement that speaks to that, right? And so since we've already gone down the

[3:21:36] Voice 6: path of co-governance because we did today we need to then say to the you know we need to indicate to

[3:21:48] Voice 6: staff and the people that are drafting the people that are hearing i mean i'm not sure jason was

[3:21:53] Voice 6: listening to what happened today but that needs to be incorporated now into the

[3:21:58] Voice 6: trust policy statement that co-governance has to be incorporated into the trust policy statement so

[3:22:07] Voice 15: I absolutely agree with you there, 100%, but I caution the fact that if we get rid of directives

[3:22:13] Voice 15: in that policy, and we don't deliver, we're promising more than we can keep.

[3:22:17] Voice 15: I think we should ground ourselves in what tools we have today to do this work, and that

[3:22:22] Voice 15: is a referral for us, and that is a continual engagement with these nations.

[3:22:26] Voice 15: We want to promise co-governance, and that just looks like co-management.

[3:22:31] Voice 15: I mean, where are we going to be in 10 years?

[3:22:33] Voice 15: we're going to look like liars that we didn't talk about these policies i think there's lots of

[3:22:38] Voice 15: examples even in our own resolutions without meetings says that i mean here we're supposed

[3:22:43] Voice 15: to write a letter to the nations we don't do that we've over promised something very careful

[3:22:51] Voice 15: and say what we're going to do we have to make sure that we can do it

[3:22:57] Voice 6: yeah i know i get you i

[3:22:59] Voice 6: I mean, I was sort of, you know, when I was watching the news, actually, and I was reading

[3:23:11] Voice 6: some of the documents, and the BC government has appealed DRIP, and you're like, well,

[3:23:18] Voice 6: that sort of, you know, pulls the rug out from everybody on what the BC government is

[3:23:23] Voice 6: going to lay down for rules for us to do with referables, right?

[3:23:28] Voice 6: Right. And so it's up to once again, I mean, I think it's it's up to communities to govern from the bottom up to make sure that what we do is above and beyond.

[3:23:43] Voice 6: Right. And I think we did that today. And

[3:23:46] Voice 6: so we did that without this new trust policy statement.

[3:23:50] Voice 6: yeah right

[3:23:51] Voice 6: i mean i've i've gotten a lot of feedback on on the directive policies and and

[3:23:58] Voice 6: some of that feedback is we don't need any directive policies right um so we're so early

[3:24:08] Voice 6: in the statement to be adopting drafts without doing uh doing and hearing a lot more feedback

[3:24:17] Voice 6: back i'm worried i'm worried about doing that

[3:24:19] Voice 14: absolutely right i

[3:24:20] Voice 6: mean we're going to go to march

[3:24:22] Voice 6: and i mean i'm i'm not it's not like anything at this table it's not like the kind of people at the

[3:24:27] Voice 6: table vote with what i have to say but you know you can oppose it but you understand there's

[3:24:33] Voice 6: there's like 26 000 trustees there and some of them just want this off the table i mean

[3:24:39] Voice 13: vice keeps

[3:24:40] Voice 6: i don't care about the trust policy they're never developing anymore zero right they

[3:24:46] Voice 6: can't i mean gamblers are in the same position where we hear that the you know the big chunk

[3:24:52] Voice 6: of land that is left on here is going to partner and so you you look at these communities where

[3:24:59] Voice 6: this means nothing to right and and the fact is that galhanna was now entered into a sort of

[3:25:05] Voice 6: phase where we're doing constructive co-governance with their with our local nation with the

[3:25:12] Voice 6: and we need to make sure that we don't um interfere with that i think from above right i

[3:25:20] Voice 6: need to i need to believe that that the executive committee whoever they are in the future don't use

[3:25:28] Voice 6: the trust policy statement to alter what the community of galliano wants to do i think that's

[3:25:36] Voice 6: the most important thing right and i just don't know that we're we're going down that right path

[3:25:41] Voice 6: frame now because every time you're here in this community is that slow it down get more feedback

[3:25:47] Voice 6: we need to work on this that's that's what we've heard and whether it's what do you agree with

[3:25:53] Voice 6: feedback or not about you know um what the directive policy should look like the common

[3:25:59] Voice 6: theme is slow it down right i

[3:26:04] Voice 15: know i i agree i think that i i agree with that

[3:26:08] Voice 15: I think that there are some issues that we want to put this to bed quickly, because

[3:26:15] Voice 15: we could spend literally three hours discussing wordsmithing, and I think that is actually not a great exercise, but what's left of our term for this, honestly, for this, but for me, that's the reason why we should pass this is so that we can get it off our table, get it to a lawyer's hands, get to the director's only checklist, get all that work going, bring it back.

[3:26:38] Voice 15: the next term um you know if we're we gotta this is the hill we gotta die on and take our

[3:26:44] Voice 15: thoughts later then that's i'm okay and i'm prepared to do that because i think that um in

[3:26:50] Voice 15: the end that working um together and that understanding of working together within the

[3:26:58] Voice 15: scope of the trust mandate is a really is really where we want this to go in there is this um

[3:27:06] Voice 15: synergy between stewardship and conservation right and this this policy statement will help us

[3:27:12] Voice 15: work on that bridge together with first nations but i don't know that this draft is really i think

[3:27:19] Voice 15: that's an aspirational goal i think that's something 10 years down the road that we figure

[3:27:23] Voice 15: out but i'm pretty sure if we don't pass this it'll still stay on where it's at today for

[3:27:30] Voice 15: the next term and the term after i don't think anyone's ever going to pass it because it's

[3:27:36] Voice 15: It's taking so long right now. It's not any closer to being done than it was before. It's that first reading. That's where it was last time it stopped in 2021. And then, where have we gone? We just have pages and pages and pages of what should be in the document.

[3:27:52] Voice 6: But that's a really good indication that maybe we shouldn't pass this, that maybe we're trying

[3:27:59] Voice 6: to do something we shouldn't be doing, right,

[3:28:02] Voice 6: and that we should not just table this thing,

[3:28:06] Voice 6: but kill it as a project, right, and then

[3:28:10] Voice 6: we're going to do it, then let's do that,

[3:28:14] Voice 6: and okay, we've

[3:28:16] Voice 9: got a trust

[3:28:17] Voice 6: policy statement, literally we were able to do something today,

[3:28:22] Voice 6: which you know quite frankly

[3:28:24] Voice 9: hasn't been done in

[3:28:25] Voice 6: the trust area before and and you know

[3:28:29] Voice 6: i'm at this stage now where we go if we can't find common ground on this trust policy statement

[3:28:35] Voice 6: and when i look at look in the room when you know as trust counsel when we're doing this

[3:28:40] Voice 6: we're not finding common ground right the room is evenly divided about whether we should

[3:28:47] Voice 6: even proceed with this and um

[3:28:50] Voice 15: i was right there with you

[3:28:53] Voice 15: but i started we started at the beginning

[3:28:55] Voice 15: of the term i'm like what are we doing so

[3:28:57] Voice 10: i don't do

[3:28:57] Voice 15: some other work maybe working on so many other

[3:29:00] Voice 15: things i'm

[3:29:01] Voice 10: just going to add a couple thoughts here for this

[3:29:03] Voice 15: good good

[3:29:04] Voice 10: i'm going to answer as

[3:29:06] Voice 10: long as the elders were talking about it's a good discussion and and i'm reminded of uh

[3:29:14] Voice 10: you know, the notion that the perfect is the enemy of the good.

[3:29:19] Voice 10: And I see a lot of good in this draft that isn't in the existing policy statement,

[3:29:26] Voice 10: particularly around Indigenous relations and respecting these realities in the policy.

[3:29:38] Voice 10: Are they perfect? They're not perfect.

[3:29:41] Voice 10: fixed are they better than absolutely no mention of first nations whatsoever in the existing policy

[3:29:48] Voice 10: statement i believe they are um just to touch briefly on your point about what's

[3:29:55] Voice 10: right for galliana what's right for salt spring what's right for the skeet

[3:30:00] Voice 10: um there is the ability uh reading from section 1.4 um island trust act specifies that policy

[3:30:11] Voice 10: statement must be a statement of policies from trust council and it may

[3:30:16] Voice 12: establish different

[3:30:18] Voice 12: policies for different parts of the island's trust area i think that um

[3:30:26] Voice 10: to your point

[3:30:28] Voice 10: is a massive project but i think it's not the project where trust council's at right now

[3:30:37] Voice 10: and in fact i'm actually really open to the idea of delving into that but i don't want us to sit

[3:30:44] Voice 10: for another

[3:30:45] Voice 10: bunch of years with the existing policy statement

[3:30:49] Voice 15: that

[3:30:50] Voice 10: doesn't even acknowledge

[3:30:51] Voice 15: first nations whatsoever um i've been really keen this

[3:30:56] Voice 10: This whole time on the policy statement amendment policy,

[3:31:02] Voice 10: which Trust Programs Committee is going to have a whack at yesterday.

[3:31:06] Voice 10: I mean, so much so that it was the piece that I made sure

[3:31:11] Voice 10: that got into Laskini's referral response yesterday.

[3:31:18] Voice 10: Because, again, I don't want us to sit for another 10 years

[3:31:23] Voice 10: persisting policy statement.

[3:31:24] Voice 10: i would much prefer and this is going to be the will of trust council i mean this committee is

[3:31:31] Voice 10: not going to make a final determination but i'd much prefer to pass uh uh this draft and then

[3:31:38] Voice 10: sit down and get up and do the work again um and maybe maybe really to delve into some of these

[3:31:47] Voice 10: issues in a way that does provide for different policies for different areas of the trust because

[3:31:54] Voice 10: i think it's going to be difficult to come to federation-wide rebound upon every every policy

[3:32:02] Voice 10: that every island will steer so but that's going to be a huge huge discussion but what i want to

[3:32:10] Voice 10: see is that instead of waiting another 30 years that trust council commits to um amending the

[3:32:17] Voice 10: policy statement amendment policy there's a big crazy mouthful but it needs to be ensuring that

[3:32:23] Voice 10: a review is considered each term that a regular review process defined and the initiation of a

[3:32:29] Voice 10: policy statement amendment topic review inventory so that this doesn't sit around ignored for years

[3:32:35] Voice 10: and years and years my concern is if this trust council doesn't try and get this through the next

[3:32:43] Voice 10: there's no guarantee that the next trust council is going to even want to look at it they're going

[3:32:48] Voice 10: to look at look what happened last term look what happened the term before this is a nightmare i

[3:32:53] Voice 10: don't want anything to do with this and we're going to sit with the existing trust policy

[3:32:57] Voice 10: statement for another bunch of years and that i'd like to me that's a real concern and i'd rather

[3:33:04] Voice 10: pass this draft as is than to be sitting with the existing one for a bunch of years so i don't want

[3:33:15] Voice 10: to wax on too long on that but that's a real concern to me there's areas that we've heard

[3:33:22] Voice 10: at trust council um for revision that have stood out as being big you know real problematic uh the

[3:33:32] Voice 10: one uh that jumped up for me was this issue of floor area we've heard a lot of cases that you

[3:33:38] Voice 10: know this is an urban term urban planning term it shouldn't be in the trust policy statement

[3:33:43] Voice 10: but i think there's a case to be made and i insisted on this being put in in our referral

[3:33:51] Voice 10: response take those words out pick up for your hand because when you take that out i haven't

[3:33:59] Voice 10: heard the rest of that policy complained about i've heard the use of floor area ratios complained

[3:34:05] Voice 10: about not the lot coverage the floor area ratio so i think no matter what we do here today trust

[3:34:12] Voice 10: Trust Council's got a lot of work.

[3:34:14] Voice 10: Trust Council's going to look at God knows how many submissions,

[3:34:20] Voice 1: the amalgamated

[3:34:21] Voice 10: information out of the surveys,

[3:34:24] Voice 10: and the responses from the local trust committees,

[3:34:28] Voice 10: which range from, general, let's say, interests unaffected,

[3:34:34] Voice 10: to 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 14 points, I think it is,

[3:34:40] Voice 10: from Gabriola to recommend changes.

[3:34:43] Voice 10: Um, the Galeano APC has, you know, an extensive report.

[3:34:50] Voice 15: None

[3:34:50] Voice 10: of this is, this is all good work.

[3:34:53] Voice 10: It's all worth consideration.

[3:34:57] Voice 10: But the trust council is going to have to hash through this and we're not going to solve

[3:35:03] Voice 10: it at this table.

[3:35:04] Voice 10: And that's also why I didn't try and get too dogmatic at my local trust committee table

[3:35:09] Voice 10: is because I recognize that no local trust committee

[3:35:13] Voice 10: can figure out where to go from here.

[3:35:15] Voice 10: It's got to go to trust council.

[3:35:17] Voice 10: And so our job today is what does the referral response

[3:35:21] Voice 10: from this committee look like?

[3:35:24] Voice 15: And so this is so hard,

[3:35:25] Voice 15: but I totally agree with you on the floor.

[3:35:28] Voice 15: And that's a directive policy, by the way, right?

[3:35:30] Voice 15: And also needs to get removed from the glossary as well.

[3:35:33] Voice 15: I totally agree with that.

[3:35:34] Voice 8: I didn't miss that part.

[3:35:35] Voice 15: That totally needs, that needs to happen.

[3:35:37] Voice 15: It's an urban planning tool.

[3:35:39] Voice 15: it doesn't belong in here it's just it should come up it doesn't really it's not a big deal

[3:35:45] Voice 15: um and also with the um the amendment policy as well like this needs to keep happening

[3:35:52] Voice 15: more and more and more we can't right now we're working under a 30-year model a 30-year-old model

[3:35:58] Voice 15: that's what the policy statement works for under it doesn't consider climate change one of the

[3:36:04] Voice 15: reasons for doing this was to address climate change that's one of the main reasons it's about

[3:36:11] Voice 15: reconciliation and it's about housing that's the lens that's the lens that our ocp is missing

[3:36:19] Voice 15: reconciliation policies need so much work do we have the answers no i don't think i don't even

[3:36:24] Voice 15: know that nations would know what to do but we need to get together and have that then let's

[3:36:28] Voice 15: have a policy that we can talk about let's put something on the table policy 3.1.1 put that on

[3:36:37] Voice 15: the table or something to talk about two words i

[3:36:40] Voice 6: think it's great but i'm great points and i think

[3:36:43] Voice 6: you know we talked about three different sections of the test policy i think the mistake that was

[3:36:48] Voice 6: made right at the beginning was going well we're just going to we're going to do the whole thing

[3:36:53] Voice 6: we're going to build the whole house in one day and and you know we walk into it and there's going

[3:36:58] Voice 6: be mistakes all over the place what should have happened early on in that process was to say what

[3:37:04] Voice 6: are the things we need to look at in the trust policy statement and tackle one of them at a time

[3:37:10] Voice 6: right and change the just add those to the trust policy statement and work on that

[3:37:14] Voice 6: because there's no way you can work on all of this at one time and end up with a draft that

[3:37:21] Voice 6: that is so wishy-washy, that it's not solving,

[3:37:25] Voice 6: it's not really doing anything properly.

[3:37:28] Voice 15: The process was-

[3:37:30] Voice 6: So let's

[3:37:30] Voice 15: see the whole process.

[3:37:31] Voice 6: Do not keep doing a bad job,

[3:37:36] Voice 6: just because you want to know it with,

[3:37:38] Voice 6: stop what you're doing.

[3:37:39] Voice 6: That's always the thing, you stop,

[3:37:41] Voice 6: and you reanalyze how it should be done properly.

[3:37:46] Voice 9: We

[3:37:46] Voice 6: are not doing it properly, right?

[3:37:49] Voice 9: so

[3:37:49] Voice 6: my recommendation is that we our recommendation is that you stop this project quit wasting so much

[3:37:56] Voice 6: money on it and really start to analyze look at the look at the issues you had three of them right

[3:38:02] Voice 6: away look at those issues and then see what we need how we need to address the the old trust

[3:38:08] Voice 6: policy thing because clearly regardless of whether we had the new one or the old one we're moving

[3:38:14] Voice 6: moving ahead on Galeano with projects,

[3:38:17] Voice 9: with

[3:38:18] Voice 6: projects that are so far ahead

[3:38:22] Voice 6: of anything that this trust policy statement talks about.

[3:38:26] Voice 6: Right?

[3:38:27] Voice 6: And so let's not just continually try

[3:38:31] Voice 6: and play catch up through this.

[3:38:32] Voice 6: So my recommendation is we kill nobody.

[3:38:35] Voice 6: I

[3:38:35] Voice 15: agree with you on so many points there,

[3:38:37] Voice 15: because with the draft previous to this,

[3:38:40] Voice 15: you couldn't do that, you couldn't touch one thing up.

[3:38:42] Voice 15: like this policy right here because this statement doesn't have a climate change

[3:38:47] Voice 15: goal policy in a separate one you know why because it's a love letter to climate change

[3:38:52] Voice 15: every single thing in this is about mitigating climate change right so that's woven through it

[3:38:58] Voice 15: one section out without affecting our ability to deal with climate change which is mapping

[3:39:05] Voice 15: eelgrass and working with first nations protecting species and ecosystems at risk

[3:39:09] Voice 15: wetland restoration it's all in here it's not one section it's all of it no

[3:39:15] Voice 6: i understand that but

[3:39:16] Voice 6: you can't actually separate it now you can

[3:39:19] Voice 15: you can you can go into reconciliation policies and

[3:39:23] Voice 15: the goals and work that piecemeal that's what that's what this this one offers the other one

[3:39:28] Voice 15: was so put together and this this policy kind of goes through this policy and it was sort of

[3:39:35] Voice 15: all blended together as one document you couldn't tease out just specific it was an overarching

[3:39:42] Voice 15: broader goals of what um of uh directives and advisory policies and that's from 30 years ago

[3:39:52] Voice 15: by the way this is about those goals today well we need to get us ready for the future

[3:39:58] Voice 15: but

[3:39:59] Voice 6: our ocps have already done most of the islands have ocps that are ahead of that of

[3:40:04] Voice 6: the trust policy statement so not

[3:40:06] Voice 15: as much as ours i mean i looked at other ocps ours is a

[3:40:10] Voice 15: we have an amazing ocp and people with galliano put that together that policy is also over 10

[3:40:15] Voice 15: years old 11 sorry 12 years old but the policy is really strong but none of those

[3:40:23] Voice 15: do you believe in the best reconciliation they don't barely start the surface don't get me on

[3:40:28] Voice 15: housing policies there's not very many at all we're feeling it as we go and creating these

[3:40:37] Voice 15: policies and that's a barrier to um housing providers to do that we have a suite of housing

[3:40:44] Voice 15: policies in here that will benefit communities and it was feedback that jason humans got from

[3:40:49] Voice 15: the non-profits

[3:40:50] Voice 6: let's pull it out let's pull it out right

[3:40:54] Voice 15: here that's what you can do now

[3:40:55] Voice 15: it wasn't it's not in our city and it certainly wasn't in the interest policy statement it's a

[3:41:03] Voice 15: hard thing we're at odds i

[3:41:05] Voice 15: know we're not going to raise it can we give it a response that we're so

[3:41:08] Voice 15: like around those lines that we can't come to uh consensus on this and that maybe that's

[3:41:16] Voice 15: because that's a broader issue and that's that's the reality of the situation i don't think we're

[3:41:20] Voice 15: we're approaching kind of common ground yeah

[3:41:22] Voice 6: yeah right i

[3:41:24] Voice 10: hope we're gonna get to it

[3:41:25] Voice 10: well

[3:41:25] Voice 15: maybe dave yeah

[3:41:28] Voice 10: well i mean uh

[3:41:29] Voice 10: there's recommended for us resolutions here for

[3:41:32] Voice 10: consideration but that is we're not necessarily held to them but i do know that uh we're getting

[3:41:39] Voice 10: on towards

[3:41:39] Voice 6: five o'clock but i would i would uh would recommend your table is pending for

[3:41:44] Voice 6: discussion yeah

[3:41:46] Voice 15: i mean i think good are we good because

[3:41:49] Voice 6: we're going to continually get feedback

[3:41:50] Voice 6: act and people have heard our discussion and we'll get feedback and can we

[3:41:56] Voice 15: not submit a referral

[3:41:57] Voice 15: right because every person in this community including ourselves let's say private citizens

[3:42:07] Voice 15: yeah that's right i

[3:42:10] Voice 6: would like to for us to be able to before we pass a draft to be able to

[3:42:15] Voice 6: because we have a draft, to be able to sit down with the community at large and have these discussions, right?

[3:42:24] Voice 6: Because clearly, we're talking about the same thing, but we're talking about coming from different angles, right?

[3:42:32] Voice 6: And we need to know what our community says, because it's up to us when we go to trust council to represent our communities, not to, you know.

[3:42:41] Voice 15: i know right i understand that but i don't i think maybe

[3:42:45] Voice 15: in this referral is asking i don't know i'd like to kind of tie it closer to our ocp

[3:42:51] Voice 15: because that's where it really kind of affects the community we can have like thoughts about what

[3:42:56] Voice 15: policy should be like but unless it's reflected in our ocp i mean as a trustee that's that's what

[3:43:01] Voice 15: we have you know what i mean oh yeah i do i

[3:43:04] Voice 6: mean i worry that if we if we pass the trust policy

[3:43:07] Voice 6: statement, our OCP, and former trustee Todd brought this point up that our OCP may not

[3:43:14] Voice 6: be legal anymore, so we may go to pass a bylaw, and the executive committee says to us, no,

[3:43:20] Voice 6: you have to change your OCP before you can do anything.

[3:43:24] Voice 15: I know I'm not, you know, I'm a pizza restaurant owner, but since you said that, that's been

[3:43:32] Voice 15: in my focus here how do i do that how do i make sure that this doesn't affect our

[3:43:36] Voice 15: because i don't know every scenario that's ever going to come up right

[3:43:41] Voice 6: so you so you stop

[3:43:43] Voice 6: because it's

[3:43:44] Voice 6: harder it's harder it's we're not it's

[3:43:47] Voice 15: not going to know until the situation arises

[3:43:48] Voice 15: and i didn't see a thing that would be different if anything i saw was strengthened

[3:43:54] Voice 15: our ocp in those areas for i already mentioned but i also think that in areas where um

[3:44:06] Voice 15: I mean, there's ROCP, it's very firm on limited density, is it not, it's very firm, and it's

[3:44:18] Voice 15: states that are, you know, what type of use for single-family homes, that's already in

[3:44:25] Voice 15: we're up here trust policy statements uh provision for that uh would be to actively

[3:44:33] Voice 15: support diverse housing forms that's great that's our policy is way more direct so i

[3:44:41] Voice 15: think we're safe on that right like movies i don't think that that's going to change our

[3:44:48] Voice 15: provision for our density you

[3:44:53] Voice 8: know what i mean well i mean

[3:44:54] Voice 12: i

[3:44:55] Voice 6: did you know during uh during the community information meeting but i did hear the delegate

[3:45:04] Voice 6: saying listen when you look at your mind you got to slow down you

[3:45:08] Voice 15: know what you

[3:45:09] Voice 6: got to slow down

[3:45:10] Voice 6: so there are diverse opinions about their housing i we you we've been pretty clear we wanted to

[3:45:16] Voice 6: to explore new forms of housing.

[3:45:20] Voice 15: Yep, that was the policies and policies.

[3:45:22] Voice 6: And that's, you know, that avenue's in there.

[3:45:25] Voice 6: But, you know, there's other sections,

[3:45:29] Voice 6: and the section regarding First Nations governments

[3:45:33] Voice 6: is meaningless.

[3:45:35] Voice 6: Absolutely

[3:45:36] Voice 15: agree, Indigenous housing.

[3:45:38] Voice 6: And, you know, I mean, if we pass this,

[3:45:44] Voice 6: to me it's a betrayal to first nations but

[3:45:48] Voice 15: they've already said that they want them to pass

[3:45:51] Voice 15: i'm

[3:45:52] Voice 6: not sure i haven't

[3:45:53] Voice 15: sat on it i

[3:45:54] Voice 6: haven't sat on it but not like a table and said

[3:45:57] Voice 9: yeah

[3:45:58] Voice 6: i mean i they looked at the original draft right and said you know this is some of our

[3:46:04] Voice 6: feedback and a lot of the feedback that wasn't incorporated if you look at the feedback that

[3:46:08] Voice 6: nations gave you so if you read the feedback and you read the draft co-governance was a common

[3:46:15] Voice 6: theme in their feedback and government is not in the trust policy statement well that's only

[3:46:21] Voice 10: mentioned as acknowledging the desire but of course the reality is that from a legislative

[3:46:30] Voice 10: the point of view and then the profits is one thing to write so

[3:46:35] Voice 10: i mean i think it speaks a

[3:46:38] Voice 10: little bit to lisa's point about uh over promising and under delivering um but it also speaks to the

[3:46:45] Voice 10: point of like you know legislatively we cannot offer something that we're not allowed legal i

[3:46:54] Voice 10: I mean, we can endeavor to sit down and have a conversation,

[3:46:58] Voice 10: but we can't offer a legal co-governance agreement or structure

[3:47:04] Voice 10: that has any legal validity.

[3:47:07] Voice 10: It's only by goodwill and willingness,

[3:47:10] Voice 10: which is obviously super, like, the most important part of it,

[3:47:15] Voice 10: but we can't, like, it can't be legally framed as co-governance

[3:47:21] Voice 10: without some like to have any legislative backing without the provinces say so i mean that's it's

[3:47:30] Voice 10: one of those ridiculous but it's very realities but

[3:47:34] Voice 6: if you go back to the the answer like the

[3:47:36] Voice 6: answer we got in request to the whatever that thing was from the press council to the government

[3:47:42] Voice 6: went to um to review the ios trust the letter that came back was very explicit about what we were

[3:47:50] Voice 6: you know what they considered we should be doing in regards to um first nations and um and then

[3:47:58] Voice 6: if you look at the trust policy statement and it's not even remotely close right so the government is

[3:48:07] Voice 9: I think when we heard

[3:48:09] Voice 10: from Doug White at Trust Counsel, though, a man who is, you know, a lawyer, a chief, a counselor, and it did all those different things that when it comes to the governance, if we want the province to say, okay, I was just, you can legally and legislatively.

[3:48:33] Voice 10: into these agreements what we need to do first is sit down with the nations and trust council

[3:48:40] Voice 10: and the nations come together the province and say we want to do this um and then and

[3:48:47] Voice 8: then and then short

[3:48:48] Voice 10: of that it's the province isn't gonna that's exactly what i should be

[3:48:53] Voice 10: doing the policy

[3:48:55] Voice 15: that states that all cps must consider engagement with first nation

[3:49:01] Voice 15: you don't have bodies um a support continue and strengthen collaborations and cooperations with

[3:49:07] Voice 15: first nations and planning that's something that rocp doesn't have so the passing this trust policy

[3:49:13] Voice 15: statement draft would enable us to do that or compel us to do that we

[3:49:20] Voice 12: just did it yeah but

[3:49:23] Voice 15: we're talking for other legally because it's you and me what if the next trustees don't care about

[3:49:27] Voice 15: well

[3:49:28] Voice 6: i mean i

[3:49:29] Voice 15: think the directive policy you must do this yeah

[3:49:32] Voice 6: i mean i think i worry i always worry

[3:49:35] Voice 6: when when politicians start passing legislation to hamstring or to to direct the next politicians

[3:49:45] Voice 6: from you know doing what the community elects them to do so whatever that is right i mean

[3:49:55] Voice 6: Once again, you start to get a top down rather than a bottom up form of government.

[3:50:01] Voice 6: I just think we're going down the wrong path here.

[3:50:03] Voice 11: I

[3:50:04] Voice 6: just want to pause the discussion for a minute.

[3:50:08] Voice 6: Let's talk. This is where we're out of time.

[3:50:11] Voice 10: It's

[3:50:11] Voice 8: a good discussion, though.

[3:50:12] Voice 8: I think

[3:50:13] Voice 10: we're really getting here, and I just want to check in from a staff perspective.

[3:50:18] Voice 10: um on the other eye because i'm feeling like uh i mean this this could be a longer discussion

[3:50:26] Voice 10: this could be a discussion in in fact a future special meeting if this is the will of this

[3:50:33] Voice 10: committee but i'm looking at what else is a remainder on this agenda um there is there's

[3:50:40] Voice 10: some briefings it doesn't look like there's actual uh any more decision items but just

[3:50:47] Voice 10: from staff perspective if there's anything else that you would really want us to complete today

[3:50:52] Voice 10: that otherwise would be a pain if we didn't um

[3:50:55] Voice 15: not really you know the biggest thing well not

[3:50:58] Voice 15: the biggest thing but one thing is there is a time consideration for the short-term vacation

[3:51:03] Voice 15: a short-term rental accommodation you'll do see when

[3:51:06] Voice 1: i give notice of

[3:51:07] Voice 15: austin march right for march

[3:51:09] Voice 15: so if that's

[3:51:10] Voice 15: something you're interested

[3:51:11] Voice 8: i think that

[3:51:11] Voice 15: needs to be a community uh discussion i don't

[3:51:14] Voice 8: about a lot to

[3:51:15] Voice 15: talk with people maybe i could decide to get some support maybe we could put

[3:51:19] Voice 15: it on a future agenda we don't we can always opt in next year right absolutely you

[3:51:24] Voice 10: can opt in next

[3:51:24] Voice 10: year if you want to have the discussion before the march deadline there's the potential for

[3:51:32] Voice 10: scheduling a special electronic meeting i totally get that that's not the same as sitting in the

[3:51:38] Voice 10: room when you're no so

[3:51:39] Voice 15: i mean if

[3:51:41] Voice 10: you don't feel there's an urgency to do it before this march

[3:51:44] Voice 10: deadline that i'd recommend you have community discussions you know in preparation for

[3:51:50] Voice 10: consideration for next year um if you feel it's like there's a strong drive in the community that

[3:51:56] Voice 10: you want to get her sign up by march 31st then i'd recommend a special meeting yeah i think it's

[3:52:01] Voice 15: probably a conversation we can have before november but before the end of our term as a community as

[3:52:06] Voice 15: well okay so

[3:52:08] Voice 10: i'm just yeah i'm just trying to like assess what's left on the agenda i don't i'm not

[3:52:13] Voice 10: hearing that it's urgent to have that conversation before the deadline the rest is reports none of

[3:52:20] Voice 10: them require action um we do have a another town hall offered unity scheduled here

[3:52:29] Voice 10: i see that we're

[3:52:31] Voice 10: getting close to five i think the period now leaves at 5 35 not 6 15. yeah so we're gonna

[3:52:37] Voice 10: one way or the other we're bailing on you guys

[3:52:44] Voice 10: my understanding and i'll just check in with mr yeomans is that if this local trust committee

[3:52:49] Voice 10: doesn't provide a referral response um that doesn't what

[3:52:54] Voice 12: are the implications if any

[3:52:56] Voice 1: there's no requirement that the local trust committee submit a referral response now or at

[3:53:01] Voice 1: all um i guess the risk to you potentially or to the local trust committee is that trust council

[3:53:07] Voice 1: may move on in the project without the benefit of whatever information you wanted to provide to them

[3:53:13] Voice 1: in the course of their decision-making process. So the next time the bylaw comes before Trust

[3:53:17] Voice 1: Council, maybe they'll give it second reading, maybe they'll give it third reading, maybe they'll

[3:53:20] Voice 1: recommend a bunch of revisions. You still have the opportunity to submit a referral response

[3:53:26] Voice 1: later in the process, and it's just going to be up to Trust Council to decide what it wants to

[3:53:31] Voice 1: do with that and the extent to which it is going to influence their decision-making.

[3:53:34] Voice 1: we're

[3:53:35] Voice 6: sitting at that table as well jason yeah well

[3:53:38] Voice 1: that's it too right you can bring your

[3:53:40] Voice 1: your perspectives as individuals to the trust council table i

[3:53:44] Voice 10: mean that was that was my

[3:53:45] Voice 10: impression but i just wanted to confirm that before we run out the clock here today and then

[3:53:52] Voice 10: also i mean the other thing is if either of you had emotion that you really feel like you want

[3:53:58] Voice 10: to advance on this referral response i mean we can frame the

[3:54:02] Voice 10: discussion in terms of discussion

[3:54:03] Voice 10: on a motion or not um

[3:54:07] Voice 15: i would i think for myself personally what i've been hearing and seeing

[3:54:12] Voice 15: i i think that it's a good idea that we have a let me make sure i say this correctly um that

[3:54:19] Voice 15: new guiding principle on climate change adaption and mitigation should be said that i think this

[3:54:26] Voice 15: is a love letter to climate change it needs a specific um guiding principle within it

[3:54:33] Voice 15: because climate change can't take the back burner it needs to be at the front burner in our work

[3:54:38] Voice 15: so i think we need to say it in that policy statement explicitly okay

[3:54:44] Voice 6: no i i understand

[3:54:45] Voice 6: what you're saying it's just i want to kill a policy statement project and so it's a problem

[3:54:52] Voice 8: so

[3:54:53] Voice 10: i mean i think we need to do it if we need to find it so other consideration um is we also have

[3:54:59] Voice 10: another town hall scheduled yeah for today do we want to run out the clock on that yes

[3:55:04] Voice 10: okay well thank you mr yeomans uh it sounds as though the local trust committee is not

[3:55:18] Voice 10: going to get to a referral response today um so the next uh regular meeting scheduled for april

[3:55:31] Voice 10: 7th unless this trust committee wants to schedule a special meeting or consideration of a referral

[3:55:37] Voice 10: response no i'm not saying

[3:55:39] Voice 10: i'm not saying it i don't play on the options

[3:55:45] Voice 9: so

[3:55:46] Voice 10: um let's go to the town hall uh and then we'll be heading for a jump

[3:55:54] Voice 10: the floor is yours all right

[3:56:11] Voice 7: this

[3:56:12] Voice 15: might be a love letter but to climate change um there's no specific separate goal

[3:56:21] Voice 15: to mitigate climate change if it was that important why is it not a separate goal

[3:56:27] Voice 15: for separate directors for mitigating climate change scattered seriously scattered through

[3:56:32] Voice 15: the draft but that was one of the things that that's the common theme that i'm seeing i wouldn't

[3:56:38] Voice 15: be surprised if the next trap has that added to it although i can't speak really yeah and

[3:56:43] Voice 10: i i can

[3:56:44] Voice 10: can say that at least two local trust committees have recommended that climate change be added to

[3:56:53] Voice 10: the guiding principles um again can't predict how the conversation would go but it would seem to be

[3:57:04] Voice 10: odd to add a guiding principle and then not address it in any advisory or directive policies

[3:57:11] Voice 10: sees but again who can presuppose where trust council will go and

[3:57:16] Voice 15: if i may add that trust

[3:57:17] Voice 15: conservancy has also recommended that in their referring response as well you

[3:57:22] Voice 6: know what my

[3:57:23] Voice 6: biggest fear is we're going to get to trust council on this and there's going to be enough

[3:57:27] Voice 6: trustees not running again who are just going to go i don't want to hear about this anymore and

[3:57:34] Voice 6: and pass it, right?

[3:57:37] Voice 6: And so you just, you end up in that situation, right?

[3:57:41] Voice 6: I mean, like I say, I mean,

[3:57:43] I've been pretty clear on this process

[3:57:45] and where I stand on this,

[3:57:46] and I think the process has been on right from the beginning,

[3:57:49] but that's my fear is that we will get to that point.

[3:57:54] And I

[3:57:54] Voice 6: mean, it's one thing to say,

[3:57:56] Voice 6: we're going to debate this at the table,

[3:57:59] but when I,

[3:57:59] Voice 6: you know, at last trust council,

[3:58:02] Voice 6: So when we did the budget, right, we had a big talk, a big talk until about 4 o'clock when everybody was exhausted.

[3:58:13] Voice 6: And it was just, get this out of the room, right?

[3:58:16] Voice 6: We don't want to talk about this anymore.

[3:58:19] Voice 6: And it was not a good process, right?

[3:58:22] Voice 6: It was really not a good process.

[3:58:25] Voice 6: It was just, let's worry out and just pass on it.

[3:58:29] Voice 6: and

[3:58:30] Voice 10: so point of information is that at this point I see four local trust committees have submitted

[3:58:38] Voice 10: interests unaffected and that three local trust committees have submitted recommended proceeding

[3:58:48] Voice 10: subject to ABCD in one case 12 and another case one and another case four

[3:58:55] Voice 10: actually no that's what's

[3:58:57] Voice 15: the first one

[3:58:58] Voice 12: it's just not effective

[3:59:03] Voice 6: 14 three

[3:59:04] Voice 12: okay

[3:59:06] Voice 10: yeah and four recommending approval subject to

[3:59:11] Voice 10: so that's eight that's eight out of 13 local trust 16 16 recommending so he's

[3:59:18] Voice 10: already made up their minds yeah there's there's still like a couple minutes if you guys want to

[3:59:24] Voice 10: schedule a special meeting to consider your referral response okay uh all right anyone

[3:59:31] Voice 10: else from the members of public want to add anything today

[3:59:36] Voice 10: i

[3:59:37] Voice 15: mean there's been so

[3:59:42] Voice 4: little uh public participation in the process

[3:59:46] Voice 4: just i mean the apc would have been happy to like post something on facebook come to our next meeting

[3:59:54] Voice 7: some of the issues and white people to come to a meeting.

[3:59:57] Voice 7: We didn't have time to.

[4:00:00] Voice 7: digest whatever you would say

[4:00:02] Voice 15: just had to go over the document and come up with our own ideas but

[4:00:07] Voice 15: plenty of time to do that

[4:00:12] Voice 15: the trustees could do that put up a facebook you know organize some

[4:00:16] Voice 15: public meetings

[4:00:30] Voice 15: i

[4:00:31] Voice 6: mean we we we knit this thing to death and and you know just to finally get first reading so we

[4:00:42] Voice 6: could make something so that we could actually bring something before the public two and a half

[4:00:46] Voice 6: years into the process of this term two and a half years before before somebody would before

[4:00:52] Voice 6: the trust constantly we vote for first reading so we can show the public which is something

[4:00:57] Voice 6: I don't want to say I said it, but I recommend it at day one, let's give it first reading,

[4:01:03] Voice 6: let the public have it, let's chew it up for three years, right?

[4:01:07] Voice 6: But no, we wait until the last minute because we were technically, the Irish Trust was afraid

[4:01:12] Voice 6: of what the public was going to say.

[4:01:16] Voice 10: Well, and then I'd also just add that there was a lot of interest by trustees to spend

[4:01:22] Voice 10: to spend a lot of time going over the policies with fine-tooth comb considering in detail

[4:01:31] Voice 10: whether fire or wildfire was a better term to have in there three and four hour discussions

[4:01:38] Voice 10: over one word and one policy not the most nimble process you know and one of the things

[4:01:44] Voice 10: that occurred to me far too late in this process but something that i think the trust council

[4:01:50] Voice 10: council should consider in the future is the concept of citizen assemblies and that might be

[4:01:57] Voice 10: a way better way to look at this type of project um that is a big project especially that encompasses

[4:02:05] Voice 10: the entire Federation the whole trust area and gets members of the public into the guts of it

[4:02:15] Voice 10: right from the get-go

[4:02:17] Voice 9: here um

[4:02:18] Voice 10: as far as you know the trust has never done a citizen's assembly

[4:02:22] Voice 10: but it's a model that's out there that exists there's you know lots of recommendations on good

[4:02:29] Voice 10: ways to do it um who knows what the future brings but uh if any of us are still around in a future

[4:02:37] Voice 10: term that's something to try and remember that that's another model that we've never tried

[4:02:42] Voice 10: yeah

[4:02:43] Voice 15: having private citizens on the accessibility committee there's only me and david maude who's

[4:02:48] Voice 15: the only like the officials the rest are all people from the public and it really strengthens

[4:02:53] Voice 15: that board that committee the diversity the thoughts the conversations it's it's good

[4:02:59] Voice 15: okay i'm

[4:03:02] Voice 10: going to see if anyone else has a comment before we close because i think

[4:03:06] Voice 10: please get a juror and get to the very totally

[4:03:09] Voice 7: a whole other subject

[4:03:10] Voice 15: um the

[4:03:12] Voice 7: uh i i looked through

[4:03:14] Voice 7: the package i don't see any re-applications uh report i don't see any mention of the person

[4:03:25] Voice 15: it's not been dropped um it has been officially assigned to themselves so

[4:03:32] Voice 15: working on the project um my intent is to give the applicants a deadline to respond and if they

[4:03:40] Voice 15: don't respond by that deadline then i'll be bringing it forward to the ltc to consider closing

[4:04:03] Voice 6: I don't think you're listed as a person, Brad. Okay, I'll change that. Where is the

[4:04:12] the applications for 2018 yeah

[4:04:19] Voice 10: uh so shall we adjourn let's adjourn thank you everybody