Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, February 12, 2026

[0:00:04] Voice 9: Good morning, everyone. I'd like to call this regular meeting of the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee to order.

[0:00:12] Voice 17: And Starwood today has been declared a day of mourning following the tragedy in Tumbler Ridge on Tuesday.

[0:00:21] Voice 9: So I'd like to invite everyone to join us for a moment of silence to honor the victims, their families and the entire community of Tumbler Ridge.

[0:01:39] Voice 9: So I want everyone to be aware that this meeting is being live-streamed and the recording will

[0:01:44] Voice 9: be posted to the Islands Trust website in a few days, and I want to acknowledge that

[0:01:50] Voice 9: we're fortunate to be able to gather here in the territories of Coast Salish peoples

[0:01:54] Voice 9: and St. Covent and Hulkenmeadham speaking peoples, the stewards of these lands and waters

[0:02:01] Voice 9: since time immemorial um tuesday a very touching uh session over on galliano as galliano local

[0:02:11] Voice 9: trust committee um finalized their reading for a couple of bylaws that are going to see

[0:02:18] Voice 9: around 100 acres um that should go to the delicate drive a number of the chief and a member of

[0:02:28] Voice 9: Council came over and about 20 elders who spoke their experiences and their heritage

[0:02:37] Voice 9: and their ancestors told stories and shared really heartfelt reflections and

[0:02:44] Voice 9: that was a really good day it's a really good day so

[0:02:51] Voice 17: it can be done

[0:02:52] Voice 9: we can do we can do

[0:02:54] Voice 17: great things working together. My name is Tim Peterson, I'm elected on

[0:03:03] Voice 17: Leskete Island.

[0:03:04] Voice 9: I'm the chair of the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:03:07] Voice 9: Joining me today in the room is local trustee Laura Patrick. Online I see

[0:03:14] Voice 9: trustee Jamie Harris has joined us as well and together we make up the local

[0:03:20] Voice 9: trust committee. Online we have our meeting administrator Lisa Millard. In the

[0:03:28] Voice 9: room here our regional planning manager chris hutton and i see uh rob pingel here

[0:03:35] Voice 9: still with us here as well okay oh i can't see you behind the ground um so thank you all for

[0:03:42] Voice 9: for being here this meeting is an official forum for the local trust committee to make decisions

[0:03:47] Voice 9: about land use planning matters and to discuss relevant business and it's also a place of

[0:03:52] Voice 9: employment our staff have the right to a safe and respectful workplace also i would be remiss not to

[0:03:58] Voice 9: introduce uh local community commission chair girl rook thank you for joining us as well um

[0:04:05] Voice 9: and there are times uh for the public to speak i'll

[0:04:10] Voice 17: provide some further

[0:04:11] Voice 9: information when we get

[0:04:13] Voice 9: there but first we have an agenda before us and i'll look to see if there are any amendments to

[0:04:20] Voice 9: agenda we

[0:04:23] Voice 12: have the addendum well

[0:04:25] Voice 9: we do have an addendum yeah um and there's a couple of uh

[0:04:30] Voice 9: made notes as we go through and there's a one there's an item withdrawn two items withdrawn i

[0:04:37] Voice 9: guess and we'll speak to them when we get there um yes um yes we're just approving the agenda

[0:04:48] Voice 9: Okay,

[0:04:49] Voice 12: I did have

[0:04:49] Voice 9: a few items too.

[0:04:51] Voice 12: Okay.

[0:04:53] Voice 9: Just to clarify.

[0:04:55] Voice 9: Well, thanks.

[0:04:55] Voice 9: That's pretty perfect.

[0:04:56] Voice 9: I've been having a hard time this morning getting catalogs.

[0:05:00] Voice 9: Yeah, as noted, item 14.1 has been withdrawn.

[0:05:10] Voice 9: That application was submitted afterwards.

[0:05:13] Voice 9: So because of that, we kind of had to, because we had notified people, but it was too late

[0:05:18] Voice 9: for us to notify people.

[0:05:21] Voice 9: it's basically on the agenda for the public to be able to see it but uh because the applicant

[0:05:26] Voice 9: is requested to be drawn we're requesting that they not consider the application uh tip over it

[0:05:33] Voice 9: um and then we've also got rainbow road um we did have an inquiry about that one uh so that's item

[0:05:40] Voice 9: 4.5 the rezoning um that will likely come back at a future date but we'll look at that further

[0:05:51] Voice 9: Yeah, and then items 15.1 and 15.2. We're proposing to move to a special meeting on February 26th at 3pm, but I'll confirm the time later this morning.

[0:06:09] Voice 9: It'll be at 1.30 or 3, but I would like to discuss a special meeting as well.

[0:06:12] Voice 9: but 51 and 52 will come on and 53 has been added and we also added 12.3 which was already

[0:06:25] Voice 9: it was pending in the previous uh so that's been issued note

[0:06:31] Voice 9: about 14.4 staff report

[0:06:42] Voice 16: so

[0:06:54] Voice 9: can i then take it by general consent we'll adopt the agenda as amended so uh where i was

[0:07:09] Voice 9: Right, so next committee for town hall and questions, I'll remind the public that the

[0:07:21] public hearing for proposed by-laws 544 and 545 regarding 248 Upper Ganges Road has been

[0:07:32] held and so the local

[0:07:33] Voice 9: trust committee must not permit any further information from the

[0:07:39] Voice 9: public on that and also a reminder that we do have um heck is it and we do have this is the

[0:07:51] Voice 9: problem with these addendums we do have a public hearing today at 10 30 so i'll ask you to hold

[0:08:03] Voice 9: your comments on the three uh 355 blackburn road until the public hearing so we can move through

[0:08:12] Voice 9: the agenda in an orderly way so I will look for show pens if there's people who would like to

[0:08:21] Voice 9: address the vaccine I

[0:08:27] Voice 11: wish to speak to you today primarily about the OCP advisory committee that

[0:08:33] Voice 11: I'm on and you have in your agenda the minutes from that meeting there are three motions that

[0:08:40] Voice 11: were passed and I would urge you to take action on those motions and that your direction should

[0:08:47] Voice 11: be to staff not to the consultant because consultant has made it clear that they are

[0:08:52] Voice 11: following the direction of staff uh the first motion was that the committee uh be held to

[0:09:00] Voice 11: the terms of reference um and uh and that we not be asked to comment on the uh contents

[0:09:12] Voice 11: of the revised OCP and LUB.

[0:09:14] Voice 11: That was not in our terms of reference.

[0:09:17] Voice 11: The second motion was that we hold a meeting in February

[0:09:21] Voice 11: so that we could provide feedback on the outreach,

[0:09:24] Voice 11: specifically how the consultant would undertake the goals

[0:09:28] Voice 11: in his plan.

[0:09:28] Voice 11: His plan is just what we saw was mostly just goals.

[0:09:32] Voice 11: It is late for that.

[0:09:34] Voice 11: I admit it's the middle of February already.

[0:09:38] Voice 11: And also we asked that the commission

[0:09:40] Voice 11: We should be given the outreach materials to review.

[0:09:44] Voice 11: And this is to make sure the language is accessible,

[0:09:50] Voice 11: that we could suggest points to increase participation

[0:09:54] Voice 11: and understanding, and prevent mistakes

[0:09:58] Voice 11: like calling the pool a rec center, which

[0:10:02] Voice 11: happened in the last outreach.

[0:10:04] Voice 11: That's what we're there for, and help with things like that.

[0:10:09] Voice 11: Also, when we asked for it to review that rich materials, we were told that it was not

[0:10:17] Voice 11: our role to nitpick the materials by the staff.

[0:10:23] Voice 11: And the committee is composed of serious and responsible people that would not do that.

[0:10:29] Voice 11: that. So we don't understand why we're holding a meeting in March after the public consultation

[0:10:39] Voice 11: is underway. I don't know what feedback would be useful at that point. So and there's a couple

[0:10:49] Voice 11: other things about the minutes that were quite disturbing to me. On page three of the minutes,

[0:10:55] Voice 11: that's page 24 of your agenda package.

[0:11:00] Voice 11: There's a list of points here.

[0:11:03] Voice 11: And the last point is says the commission suggested

[0:11:07] Voice 11: that all engagement strategies acknowledge

[0:11:10] Voice 11: that Salt Spring has become a divided community.

[0:11:15] Voice 11: This was not what was said at the meeting.

[0:11:18] Voice 11: We would not say, nobody on that committee

[0:11:20] Voice 11: would suggest such a thing.

[0:11:22] Voice 11: Someone may have suggested that various points should be

[0:11:26] Voice 11: representative but not that we're a divided community ask you please i i don't maybe when

[0:11:32] Voice 11: we have our next meeting perhaps we could strike these these items but i just want you to know

[0:11:37] Voice 11: that's not what happened and in the next paragraph it says a commissioner expressed a desire to

[0:11:43] Voice 11: individually discuss engagement tools i don't know what they that it kind of implies that

[0:11:49] Voice 11: that we wanted as individuals and react as a committee.

[0:11:56] Voice 11: I do thank the consultant for sending out a series

[0:12:01] Voice 11: of questions to us so that we could provide,

[0:12:05] Voice 11: oh, there wasn't time for me to provide input,

[0:12:07] Voice 11: but they allowed us to send in emails with suggestions.

[0:12:11] Voice 11: And I know at least two of the committee members did that.

[0:12:14] Voice 11: So I just wanted to make you aware of all that.

[0:12:18] Voice 11: And like I said, the motions need to be directed to staff, not to the consultant.

[0:12:25] Voice 11: Questions?

[0:12:26] Voice 15: Just a method.

[0:12:26] Voice 11: Yeah.

[0:12:27] Voice 15: Well, I just think, I mean, has this been worked through the committee?

[0:12:32] Voice 15: And is the chair the spokesperson to come talk to us?

[0:12:36] Voice 11: Yes, the chair should be the spokesperson.

[0:12:39] Voice 11: The chair's not here.

[0:12:40] Voice 11: And so you can see what's my comments and what's the committee.

[0:12:45] Voice 11: Because the committee's motions are clearly in the minutes.

[0:12:48] Voice 11: I just I was concerned about those points in the minutes we don't have a chance to view these

[0:12:53] Voice 11: minutes before they go to you and I just didn't want you to think that people have said things

[0:12:58] Voice 11: like that so

[0:13:01] Voice 15: I'm encouraged really want this uh commission to be successful and supportive and

[0:13:07] Voice 15: work out hopefully then

[0:13:11] Voice 9: I'd like

[0:13:12] Voice 9: to see if there's anyone else who'd like to address the local

[0:13:15] Voice 9: the committee um side of the public hearing issues i think we're coming i've been hard to

[0:13:23] hear what it was

[0:13:25] Voice 22: like it's very hard to i i appreciate that i could i had to move over

[0:13:31] Voice 22: here and i still couldn't hear what the presentation was yeah

[0:13:36] Voice 11: it could

[0:13:38] Voice 22: just be me but

[0:13:40] Voice 22: i think it's important that people be able to hear

[0:13:49] right

[0:13:53] Voice 9: noted and um i'm not sure if this facility has capabilities that we can enlist for a microphone

[0:14:02] Voice 9: but maybe we can have staff to look into that for us and we can look into uh there are there

[0:14:08] are large speakers behind it mr chair so we can certainly um arrange that um

[0:14:17] Voice 9: okay appreciate that yes can

[0:14:21] Voice 12: i just add uh maybe the speakers could state their full name

[0:14:31] Voice 9: thank you for that i did i did skip a little bit of my preamble

[0:14:36] Voice 9: i have an unusually large number of documents today to switch between so i apologize for that

[0:14:44] Voice 9: um so nothing else uh today from the public for the regular town hall

[0:14:52] Voice 9: then we'll move on to trustee reports and uh opportunity for uh trustee harris online just

[0:15:01] Voice 9: go ahead thank

[0:15:03] Voice 13: you i have nothing to report today okay

[0:15:06] Voice 9: and trustee patrick sure

[0:15:09] Voice 15: before i start this recording i also want to acknowledge and express my deepest sorrow for

[0:15:16] Voice 15: the community of tumblr ridge our thoughts are with everyone affected during this difficult time

[0:15:22] Voice 15: The magnitude of what this community is facing makes what I'm about to share pale in comparison.

[0:15:28] Voice 15: So I wanted to start by flaring some air, because what's circulating in this community right now is not a difference of opinion, it's misinformation.

[0:15:39] Voice 15: A petition signed by some 1,800 people claims the committee is considering major, unnecessary, and unsustainable changes to the OCP and land use bylaw.

[0:15:50] Voice 15: That statement is simply untrue.

[0:15:52] Voice 15: This committee is not considering any changes.

[0:15:54] Voice 15: We have initiated a community engagement to identify options.

[0:15:59] Voice 15: That is not policy change.

[0:16:00] Voice 15: That is not approval.

[0:16:01] Voice 15: That is not even a proposal.

[0:16:03] Voice 15: Suggesting otherwise is misleading.

[0:16:06] Voice 15: A phrase, defend salt spring growth limits, is equally misleading.

[0:16:12] Voice 15: Defending the current growth limits does not stop growth.

[0:16:16] Voice 15: It explicitly endorses substantial additional growth under existing zoning.

[0:16:21] Voice 15: owning. What it really says is let growth continue exactly as is until the cap is reached.

[0:16:28] Voice 15: That position does not challenge the pattern of development. It does not address impacts,

[0:16:34] Voice 15: does not manage outcomes. It is passive, market-driven approach that has already produced

[0:16:40] Voice 15: the conditions people say they're most worried about. That is why manage growth rather than limit

[0:16:48] Voice 15: is more impactful. Managing growth means intervening. It means shaping where and how

[0:16:54] Voice 15: development happens. It means correcting known harms, displacement, homogeneity,

[0:17:03] Voice 15: gentrification, environmental degradation, and the ongoing erosion of Indigenous cultural presence

[0:17:10] Voice 15: on this island. Here's the part the petition doesn't tell people. Under the current OCP and

[0:17:17] Voice 15: zoning with no changes whatsoever no permissions from this current committee thousands of additional

[0:17:24] Voice 15: primarily market-based single-family homes can still be built including an entire new village

[0:17:31] Voice 15: on top of channel bridge that growth alone supports an additional 5 000 people and potentially

[0:17:39] Voice 15: far more depending on the accuracy of the outdated population assumptions and parcel counts from the

[0:17:44] Voice 15: late 1990s that is what's being defended so when people are asked to sign a petition to defend

[0:17:52] Voice 15: growth limits they are not defending restraint they are endorsing thousands of more single

[0:17:58] Voice 15: family market homes built as a variety with no affordability requirements and no meaningful

[0:18:04] Voice 15: tools to shape the outcome director holman has cited ocp policy b2121 as evidence that our

[0:18:12] Voice 15: planning framework prioritizes affordable housing let's read what it actually says zoning changes

[0:18:18] Voice 15: should be avoided if they would likely result in a larger island population than is expected under

[0:18:25] Voice 15: the development potential zone of 2008. exceptions are only to achieve affordable housing and other

[0:18:33] Voice 15: objectives of this plan thousands of single family homes exception for affordable housing

[0:18:39] Voice 15: and there is another uncomfortable truth that needs to be stated clearly the existing zoning

[0:18:48] Voice 15: framework you are being asked to defend developed in 1971 reinforced in 1998 and updated in 2008

[0:18:55] Voice 15: was created and updated with zero first nations participation none that alone should give us

[0:19:03] Voice 15: pause before treating the status quo as sacred yes the 2008 ocp mentions climate change

[0:19:11] Voice 15: but it does not meaningfully address climate impacts, resilience, or adaptation.

[0:19:16] Voice 15: Attending otherwise does not make us safer. It just delays accountability.

[0:19:22] Voice 15: The long-term consequences people claim to fear are not the results of change.

[0:19:27] Voice 15: They are the result of refusing to change.

[0:19:31] Voice 15: Most people on this island are not asking for help to get ahead.

[0:19:35] Voice 15: They are asking for a fair chance to stay,

[0:19:38] Voice 15: to remain in the community they contribute to,

[0:19:41] Voice 15: care for, and belong to.

[0:19:44] Voice 15: If we want a resilient, sustainable Salt Spring,

[0:19:47] Voice 15: managing growth is the responsibility.

[0:19:51] Voice 15: Defending the status quo is the risk.

[0:19:56] Voice 15: As usual, I have attended and participated

[0:19:59] Voice 15: in lots of meetings.

[0:20:01] Voice 15: Locally, I was very honored to participate

[0:20:04] Voice 15: in discussions about strawberry protection

[0:20:07] Voice 15: for clam gardens.

[0:20:09] Voice 15: Claire, the executive director for Salt Spring Community Conservation, and thank you for hosting that.

[0:20:18] Voice 15: RPM Hutton and I also met with Eric Kelch, who's from Parks Canada, about the program.

[0:20:24] Voice 15: And I met with the Sanich leadership council staff this week, really about taking policy about protecting indigenous harvesting areas to really, how does that look in our official community plan?

[0:20:37] Voice 15: how can we implement those policies and improve the protection of pine gardens attended the

[0:20:43] Voice 15: community information meeting on the policy statement here on salt spring

[0:20:47] Voice 15: the uh shan the salt spring health network meeting met with the lcc chair carol bro

[0:20:55] Voice 15: attended bc ferry's locally elected meeting with their cao um nicholas femenis and the southern

[0:21:01] Voice 15: wealth island forum which is all the elected across the islands and also had a meeting with

[0:21:06] Voice 15: malay barra

[0:21:06] Voice 15: at our federation

[0:21:08] Voice 15: level executive executive committee meeting regional planning

[0:21:12] Voice 15: committee meetings governance committee financial planning and the accessibility committees and i

[0:21:17] Voice 15: chaired the

[0:21:18] Voice 15: gambier and gabriella local trust committees attended a protocol meeting the

[0:21:22] Voice 15: sunshine coast regional district and uh participated in a workshop on responding

[0:21:27] Voice 15: to indigenous specific racism and that's my report thank you very much um

[0:21:34] Voice 9: for my chair's support

[0:21:35] Voice 9: I'll keep it brief, but attended the Municipal Climate Leadership Caucus with Mr. Hicks in

[0:21:42] Voice 9: January.

[0:21:44] Voice 9: Just back, just mentioned the Executive Committee and Financial Planning Committee, Governance

[0:21:51] Voice 9: Committee, Trust Boarding, Trustee Onboarding Workshop, the Anti-Racism Workshop.

[0:21:58] Voice 9: Yesterday, Trust Programs Committee met, working on amending the policy statement amendment

[0:22:05] Voice 9: amendment policy for trust council's consideration and also preparing for the community stewardship

[0:22:10] Voice 9: awards program launch for 2026 and communications about dominating community members for those

[0:22:18] Voice 9: awards will be coming soon um what's the other thing i want to highlight oh yeah i also attended

[0:22:27] Voice 9: the uh the local elected uh officials engagement session with bc ferries um pretty good

[0:22:35] Voice 9: representation from within the islands trust area at that meeting some really great questions from

[0:22:42] Voice 9: particularly vanessa craig uh provincial district of nanaimo um and others i think i'll just leave

[0:22:53] Voice 9: it there for today um and so now over to um chair rook thank you the lcc has been getting off to a

[0:23:05] Voice 9: busy start with this new year. In January, we finalized our budget for next year. It looks like

[0:23:11] Voice 9: the increase in the tax rate is going to be about 8.5% over the previous year, which is still too

[0:23:20] Voice 9: high for a lot of us, but we're having a lot of pressure on maintaining existing services for

[0:23:24] Voice 9: local government. It's prices that we have to confront rise faster than the rate of inflation.

[0:23:30] Voice 9: We

[0:23:31] Voice 7: are meeting tonight for our

[0:23:34] Voice 9: regular evening meeting of the LCC.

[0:23:37] Voice 9: We've got a number of items on the agenda, including a long-waited report from an architectural consultant on the Ganges Fire Hall, the old one in town,

[0:23:47] Voice 9: reporting to us on what we can expect when we take over possession of that

[0:23:53] Voice 7: building in the fall and what some of the options might look like.

[0:23:58] Voice 7: it's an old building with a lot of deferred maintenance and so we're expecting

[0:24:02] Voice 7: some challenges there um that report along with everything else associated with the meeting is

[0:24:08] Voice 7: on the online in an agenda package and you can download it about 100 pages for tonight's meeting

[0:24:15] Voice 7: we will also

[0:24:16] Voice 9: be taking up the island's trust policy statement to give commissioners an

[0:24:22] Voice 9: opportunity to weigh in if they have specific comments i've not seen any written notices of

[0:24:28] Voice 9: motion pertaining to that yet but i expect there might be a couple coming up tonight

[0:24:33] Voice 9: we will also be considering a few motions which um with time including one for advocate advocacy

[0:24:40] Voice 9: for reduction speed limits in kanji's village area rainbow road and the related jackson and

[0:24:47] Voice 9: and some of the streets around it,

[0:24:49] Voice 9: down to a consistent 30K zone.

[0:24:52] That will be on the agenda.

[0:24:54] We're also taking on some advocacy

[0:24:56] with the Department or the

[0:24:59] Voice 7: Ministry of Transport and Transit

[0:25:02] Voice 7: advocating that they reinstate

[0:25:05] Voice 7: their active transportation infrastructure grants.

[0:25:08] Voice 9: We're also scheduling another workshop

[0:25:12] on harbors management, which will be held in April.

[0:25:17] um we're playing we have some commitment from the

[0:25:19] Voice 7: province to be there and participate we're still

[0:25:22] Voice 7: working on federal government um but we're hopeful that we can have a broad-based um

[0:25:28] Voice 9: participation for that meeting um our next meeting will be on the 19th so a week later

[0:25:37] Voice 9: that's our full-day meeting on the 19th and on that agenda we'll be taking up issues related to

[0:25:44] beach access

[0:25:44] Voice 9: in particular grace point um we will getting getting our staff report on business

[0:25:50] Voice 9: licensing which is a subject that's been ongoing um

[0:25:53] Voice 7: and so we should see that on

[0:25:55] Voice 9: the 19th we also

[0:25:57] Voice 9: had a short-term rental workshop a second that we've posted back in january and so we'll be

[0:26:04] Voice 9: getting a report from staff on what we heard of that at that workshop and looking at ways we can

[0:26:10] Voice 7: can tie that together and business licensing may or may not have some impact there um and we'll be

[0:26:17] Voice 9: looking at more detail on how best to manage our next harbor workshop to get the most out of it

[0:26:23] Voice 9: make sure we hear from the people we need to hear from harbor management it's a challenge that

[0:26:29] nobody's picked up the ball on but we

[0:26:32] Voice 9: feel like we're yet um so um that's it on the lcc um as

[0:26:39] Voice 9: always if anyone has questions or concerns our agendas are online and you can contact any of

[0:26:45] Voice 9: the commissioners directly thank you thank you so moving on to section eight we have the draft

[0:26:55] minutes of december 11th for adoption i'll look to trustees

[0:27:00] Voice 9: to see if there's any benefits required

[0:27:07] Voice 15: only question i have is it says trustee harris was regret but i did we have regrets

[0:27:15] Voice 15: i just wanted to clarify or was it absent i'm

[0:27:21] Voice 16: afraid i don't recall special

[0:27:28] Voice 9: december 11th

[0:27:30] Voice 9: december if i'm not wrong mr chair i believe that um trustee harris did send an email advising that

[0:27:39] Voice 9: you would not be able to attend the ltc meetings for the remainder of 2025 um in the fall okay

[0:27:48] so

[0:27:50] Voice 9: can i take it then by general consent we'll adopt the minutes as presented

[0:27:56] Voice 9: we have a resolutions without meetings report on page 16 which comprise a special uh motion to uh

[0:28:09] Voice 9: have the special meeting for January 20th, the project update and a letter of support

[0:28:22] Voice 9: for the Ganges Air Facility project.

[0:28:29] Voice 9: So, nothing else on that.

[0:28:32] Voice 9: That brings us to the draft minutes of Advisory Planning Commission, and we have minutes from

[0:28:41] Voice 9: december 26th and from uh january 29th to uh staff first to see if there's anything you'd

[0:28:54] like to surprise us around those minutes um

[0:28:57] Voice 9: nothing on the minutes specifically mr chair

[0:28:59] Voice 9: they provided the draft um you said december 16th yeah um as noted we have a report later on in the

[0:29:08] Voice 9: date um our product consultants have been offered to be available on the avenue um if you want to

[0:29:14] to have them in the room or if you'd like to move by 3.3 up to this

[0:29:20] Voice 9: time that's up to you regardless so there's nothing these minutes are complete unless there's comments from LTC they are heavily drafted they have not come back so these ones came back to PAPC January.

[0:29:40] Voice 9: Okay, well, given the

[0:29:41] Voice 9: timing and we have a public hearing schedule, I think we'll wait

[0:29:45] Voice 9: and address anything else at that time.

[0:29:48] Voice 12: 30 minutes.

[0:29:49] Voice 9: Yes, it's coming soon.

[0:29:53] Voice 9: Okay, so we will accept those for information at this moment.

[0:30:00] Voice 9: we have a number of items of correspondence i see that one is marked for decision and it

[0:30:08] Voice 9: couples for consideration so um over to you mr hudley mr chair i believe this um this letter

[0:30:20] Voice 9: a similar letter for this came back in um a few months back uh to discuss um you know mr stevens

[0:30:28] Voice 9: has some questions outstanding so um as has been noted previously we have no ongoing plans at this

[0:30:36] point to undertake the cash and bylaw um and i don't think that there's as far as i know um

[0:30:43] jones parker planning uh recognizing um the the work that the crd on the local community commission

[0:30:50] has done and our collaboration with the date uh beyond that uh we haven't been uh

[0:30:56] Voice 9: it has not been

[0:30:57] Voice 9: our primary project focus that's a it is something that i've mentioned for later on but at this time

[0:31:04] Voice 9: um staff have no direction on how to respond to this you know what's what's already advised okay

[0:31:13] Voice 9: so just for clarity um staff have responded with that in has there been a response with the the

[0:31:21] Voice 9: information around the project scoping of what we're doing i mean i know we've said it in person

[0:31:26] Voice 9: of that and i don't believe that staff have provided when we brought this there was there

[0:31:33] Voice 9: wasn't a direction to staff to provide a direct response okay it was received it was in the

[0:31:37] Voice 9: audience um prefer a formal response it's an option to follow up a response from from ltc but

[0:31:45] um you know i'd suggest that i don't think there's a i need to consider whether

[0:31:50] Voice 9: or not this proposal

[0:31:52] Voice 9: is valid or not at this time it's a you know it's a subject of a future process

[0:31:57] Voice 9: No.

[0:32:01] Voice 9: Trustees, any start taking the action on this item today

[0:32:05] Voice 9: or should we just receive it for information?

[0:32:09] Voice 9: Trustee Patrick.

[0:32:10] Voice 15: Well, I think just chair of work from the LCC

[0:32:14] Voice 15: just mentioned it earlier,

[0:32:15] Voice 15: they're preparing for the next round table meeting.

[0:32:20] Voice 15: We all know that the harbour

[0:32:21] Voice 15: is a multi-jurisdictional challenge of all kinds.

[0:32:26] Voice 15: And our focus has been on our OCP land use by-law

[0:32:30] Voice 15: about housing options on land that that's our focus and I'm glad that the LCC is managing these

[0:32:40] Voice 15: round tables and keeping the conversation going but we have to look at the harbor from a multi

[0:32:45] Voice 15: jurisdictional and be communicating to each other so I think that that's where I see our emphasis

[0:32:53] Voice 15: this.

[0:32:57] Voice 9: And so anything else on any of these items of consideration or correspondence that

[0:33:08] Voice 9: you want to raise for discussion today?

[0:33:21] Voice 15: I note that item 9.3 is a request for sponsorship

[0:33:25] Voice 15: and I don't think, I don't know if we can sponsor something or not. That's a good question.

[0:33:37] Voice 9: I think procedurally that this body can, as far as I'm aware, this body cannot laterally

[0:33:47] Voice 9: do so.

[0:33:47] Voice 9: It would have to go through some consideration of the trust council.

[0:33:52] Voice 9: I don't know.

[0:33:54] Voice 16: That's my understanding anyway.

[0:33:58] Voice 9: I don't think the Salt Spring Local Trust Committee can just offer funds laterally.

[0:34:04] Voice 9: i think that would have to go through the bodies so i think if there's any desire to pursue that

[0:34:10] Voice 9: we would need to request staff to report back on what that process might look like and then

[0:34:20] Voice 15: we have item 9.4 which is a letter from the harvard authority here in hassey so they just

[0:34:28] Voice 15: need a second letter of support so i assume we need a motion for that one yes

[0:34:34] Voice 9: with the timing

[0:34:35] Voice 9: on this one a bit more accommodating um you could push up i don't know if you haven't through uh

[0:34:40] Voice 9: i can't remember if that's december or january but um the um we can certainly uh do a

[0:34:47] Voice 9: lpc wants to do a letter of support and lpc just help the chip

[0:34:57] Voice 16: that we

[0:34:59] Voice 15: can do we can't buy money but we should sure can provide letters of support um i move that

[0:35:07] Voice 15: that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[0:35:14] Voice 15: request staff to prepare a letter of support

[0:35:19] Voice 15: under the, for the chair.

[0:35:22] Voice 15: Actually, just request that the chair provide that,

[0:35:25] Voice 9: prepare that letter and send it.

[0:35:27] Voice 9: We'll staff will support it.

[0:35:28] Voice 15: Okay, sorry, Lisa.

[0:35:29] Voice 15: So request the chair, send a letter of support

[0:35:37] Voice 15: to the for the harbor authority of salt spring island on their requested item we'll just put

[0:35:45] Voice 15: 9.4 in the february 12th agenda package check

[0:35:52] Voice 9: out yeah and we'll just check to see if you've

[0:35:56] Voice 9: got that wording okay i

[0:35:59] Voice 19: do chair peterson would you like it read back sure did the salt spring

[0:36:07] Voice 19: Salt Spring Island local trust committee request the chair to send a letter of support for the

[0:36:12] Voice 19: Harbor Authority of Salt Spring Island on their requested item in item 9.4 of the February 12th

[0:36:19] Voice 19: 2026 agenda package okay

[0:36:23] Voice 9: so move thank you very much so moved and uh I'll second that

[0:36:27] Voice 9: um any discussion not seeing any I'll call the question all those in favor

[0:36:37] Voice 9: and that carries. Thank you for that. Any of the other items of correspondence?

[0:36:46] Voice 15: Item 9.5 is I am the appointed person to attend the Saanich Inlet Roundtable March 19th. I know

[0:36:56] Voice 15: I have a conflict. Request a family member to attend on my behalf. No one else wants to jump

[0:37:10] Voice 9: That's an in-person, isn't it?

[0:37:12] Voice 9: Yeah.

[0:37:14] Voice 9: Let's quickly look at the calendar here.

[0:37:19] Voice 9: I have the same conference.

[0:37:20] Voice 9: Oh,

[0:37:20] Voice 12: I have the same conference.

[0:37:21] Voice 12: I have the same conference.

[0:37:22] Voice 12: We have a

[0:37:23] Voice 9: local trust committee meeting that day.

[0:37:25] Voice 9: Okay.

[0:37:25] Voice 9: Yeah, I definitely can't step up to that one.

[0:37:28] Voice 9: All right.

[0:37:30] Voice 9: And then let's move on to the follow-up action list.

[0:37:35] Voice 12: There's a fireball.

[0:37:36] Voice 15: Oh, sorry.

[0:37:36] Voice 15: all right

[0:37:37] Voice 15: uh we've received the invitation for the uh opening of the salt spring fire hall on may 3rd

[0:37:44] Voice 15: uh it's exciting news um i'm i'm at the rsvp that i can attend nice

[0:37:53] Voice 9: to get those invitations

[0:37:58] Voice 9: all right and that that concludes that section so moving on to the follow-up action list on page 54

[0:38:06] Voice 9: and i'll start by turning it over to staff and see if there's anything you'd like to highlight

[0:38:12] Voice 9: Mr. Chair, we've, we have a few updates in the fuel, all of action reports, fewer, I guess, but all of action reports. The, the sale conversation has moved to a monthly discussion or a protocol.

[0:38:28] Voice 9: call and they'll say it's an opportunity to put those together so those meetings feel very much

[0:38:33] Voice 9: on the area and staff to staff we do see um good momentum and goodwill there so the last updated

[0:38:38] to provide um a basically the last MOU that was approved by the islands trust um both both of us

[0:38:46] each of our um separate government's body have different procedures so we're

[0:38:51] Voice 9: going to um find

[0:38:52] Voice 9: ways through that um we have a joint meeting coming up in february so that that conversation

[0:38:59] Voice 9: is ongoing um and i am hopeful that i'll be getting into this bylaw number 63 it's as far

[0:39:05] Voice 9: as the priorities go it's a bit of a it's something that requires a bit more staffing

[0:39:10] Voice 9: capacity it's also pretty uh given our current ongoing vacancies but we look forward to

[0:39:15] moving towards that shortly um otherwise um most of this stuff is coming up a lot of it's coming

[0:39:22] up today the itps referral um

[0:39:25] Voice 9: the officer's policy state referral um response that was deferred to

[0:39:28] today

[0:39:29] Voice 9: and um the the budget question around first nations i believe may be considered i did want to

[0:39:37] Voice 9: see if you have um we've we've increased the budget um we continue to engage with providing

[0:39:43] Voice 9: an update at the end of the month so i hope that we can consider this this request for resolution

[0:39:49] Voice 9: to SS 2025-109 to refine the 2026-7 fiscal budget.

[0:39:54] That project can be completed to be sufficient

[0:39:56] with engagement needs

[0:39:58] Voice 9: of First Nations

[0:39:58] Voice 9: with major amendments to Salt Spring Island community plan

[0:40:02] Voice 9: and land use by-law management.

[0:40:03] Voice 9: So I know that the communications we've had so far

[0:40:08] Voice 9: have been positive.

[0:40:09] Voice 9: The budget for the number of nations

[0:40:12] Voice 9: that we're engaging with,

[0:40:14] there seems to be more responsiveness

[0:40:16] from nations at this point

[0:40:17] and i think we're we're getting into a more firm point with the project a bit more um frankly

[0:40:23] interesting it's not as conceptual as it was um you know nine months ago so that's positive um

[0:40:30] there's progress being made there um i

[0:40:36] Voice 9: did want to talk to you all about the request to urgently

[0:40:39] Voice 9: convene a multi-jurisdictional meeting to explore an alternative approach to buy law enforcement

[0:40:44] Voice 9: that can better respond to investigating and mitigating housing situations on salt

[0:40:48] Voice 9: spring island um this continues to be um both um the root of this resolution continues to be

[0:40:57] a challenge that we we sort of have this this challenge of housing that is not formal and not

[0:41:01] um in accordance with land use bylaws um and in some cases you know we're not clear whether it's

[0:41:09] safe or not um and moreover the work that we do is bylaws by law enforcement is one tool but um

[0:41:17] I think this resolution maybe needs some

[0:41:20] Voice 9: refinement.

[0:41:22] Voice 9: They did have a meeting with the gentleman at Shan to talk about ways of communicating with the public.

[0:41:30] Voice 9: We know that bylaws, and I even say it to applicants when they're wanting to know about public notification,

[0:41:37] Voice 9: I usually tell them to talk to their neighbors because you better hear it from your neighbor than to hear it from a letter from the local government.

[0:41:44] Voice 9: Right. So I, I appreciated that conversation. And, you know, sort of forward that on the outline some opportunities for both bylaws and planning. So we're, I know that that's part of an overall package that we're looking at with staff to provide better training about responding to challenging situations.

[0:42:04] Voice 9: We know that part of our work can sometimes cause people in distress and challenges.

[0:42:11] Voice 9: So there's those kinds of soft works that we've done, but I think in terms of calling

[0:42:15] Voice 9: this a concede action, I think I would like to hear more direction from LTC for the bylaw.

[0:42:25] Voice 9: The plan was, the strategy was adopted recently.

[0:42:30] So I'm at the trust council,

[0:42:33] Voice 9: so I'm not really too sure directionally how you'd like to proceed with this in terms of a multi-jurisdictional meeting, what the conversation would look like.

[0:42:46] Voice 9: Thank you for bringing this

[0:42:50] Voice 15: up because I was going to if you didn't, because of the word urgent.

[0:42:56] Voice 15: that when this motion was made the concept is that we have people you know we have people living

[0:43:04] Voice 15: in non-conforming housing and there is a wide spectrum of non-conforming housing

[0:43:13] Voice 15: and when bylaw enforcement sends a letter to a landlord or an owner of that housing

[0:43:21] Voice 15: some react with throw out the tenant or threaten the tenant or whatever the situation could be

[0:43:32] Voice 15: and i know we have landlords that are exploitive i'll be like that that they're renting out

[0:43:39] Voice 15: poor facilities um purposely um and in those situations the person renting that space

[0:43:48] Voice 15: needs help to find another place to live and so it's a different it's it's sort of step one is

[0:43:55] Voice 15: help that person be home step two is crack down on the person that's renting uninhabitable housing

[0:44:06] Voice 15: and so it's more of a we need a compassionate first step recognizing that when when an owner

[0:44:14] Voice 15: receives a letter that you are non-compliant um they're legal-esque they turn somebody you know

[0:44:25] Voice 15: they just react and um and and i think there are you know there are situations where you have

[0:44:31] Voice 15: vulnerable people and vulnerable housing and we need to come come at it in a different approach

[0:44:37] Voice 15: so that's what i was looking at if we need something other than bylaw enforcement being

[0:44:42] Voice 15: sort of that first investigation and i'd say that's the same from the crd i think it's that's

[0:44:48] Voice 15: why we said multi-jurisdictional we need sort of an approach to when a complaint is received about

[0:44:55] Voice 15: non-conforming housing that we approach it compassionately first

[0:44:59] Voice 15: make sure the people are safe or get the help they need for the housing they need and of course

[0:45:08] Voice 15: go after especially exploitive housing that's creating harm in this community um but it's come

[0:45:16] Voice 15: at it from the human element first help the person not just throw them out because they're in that

[0:45:22] Voice 15: housing so it's it's a it's just a recognition that we have a lot of people that are desperate

[0:45:29] Voice 15: to find housing and they're taking what they can get thank

[0:45:35] Voice 9: you um i think i can if i could

[0:45:40] Mr. Chair, I might suggest that the best action at this time would be to

[0:45:44] Voice 9: close this item and

[0:45:47] Voice 9: request that LT staff report back on, like just getting some background research

[0:45:54] Voice 9: to tackle this. Is that something that we could possibly, I know that there's an

[0:46:05] Voice 9: for this, but I also appropriately. So that's, those are the things that I can bring together

[0:46:15] Voice 9: some people um but that's um you know in terms of how we structure that i think there's probably

[0:46:22] Voice 9: i i think you've outlined some some clear problems there that there's been for um

[0:46:28] Voice 9: the shape of conversation oh

[0:46:39] Voice 6: you're stopping me

[0:46:42] Voice 15: well like through the chair um whether there's a you know i don't know if they have to modify

[0:46:51] Voice 15: it's how

[0:46:52] Voice 15: you can respond to that

[0:46:57] Voice 15: if it's doing some research as to who to even

[0:46:58] Voice 15: invite to a meeting to

[0:47:00] Voice 15: have in the room

[0:47:01] Voice 15: that's sort of a step one to this

[0:47:03] Voice 15: getting the right players

[0:47:04] Voice 15: are we talking about

[0:47:05] Voice 15: health or

[0:47:08] Voice 15: other

[0:47:11] Voice 15: care providers in the community

[0:47:13] Voice 15: but who those

[0:47:14] Voice 15: groups would be

[0:47:17] Voice 15: to and how

[0:47:19] Voice 15: there's a lot of questions here

[0:47:20] Voice 15: we're trying to create a new group

[0:47:22] Voice 15: who owns that group who funds that group how do we come across that um more compassionate approach so

[0:47:33] Voice 15: i recognize there's a lot of work there yeah all

[0:47:38] Voice 9: right we can we can get into this and we can i

[0:47:41] think we can it's fair to say we can move

[0:47:43] Voice 9: forward from this point based on this discussion um and we

[0:47:46] Voice 9: can uh bring something back or jump to start doing that exploration that works thank

[0:47:54] Voice 2: you mr chair

[0:47:57] Voice 9: Yeah, before we, if we want to wrap up the fuel discussion,

[0:48:01] Voice 9: before the public hearing starts,

[0:48:03] Voice 9: there is a urgent issue that I need to make a phone call on before that

[0:48:06] public hearing starts.

[0:48:08] So I just did it in order to provide you the best advice possible.

[0:48:11] So if we can, we can take a quick break after the fuel is.

[0:48:16] Certainly.

[0:48:16] Voice 9: And I know that trustee Harris.

[0:48:20] Voice 9: So over to you, trustee Harris.

[0:48:22] Voice 13: Oh, thanks. I was just listening to the conversation.

[0:48:25] Voice 13: Can you hear me? All right. Yes.

[0:48:28] Voice 13: Great. Yeah, I'm really having a hard time biting my tongue listening to this conversation about housing and lack of it and all the rest of it.

[0:48:40] Voice 13: We've been talking about this already for four years with this LTC, and this was no mystery or secret the previous term.

[0:48:55] Voice 13: and um you know a lot of the things that i've heard being thrown around today are it's completely

[0:49:02] Voice 13: out of our jurisdiction but what is in the ltc's jurisdiction and the island's trust is to create

[0:49:08] Voice 13: zoning that would allow for the housing that's needed and i've you know i'm not going to go on

[0:49:16] Voice 13: about what kind of zoning because i've i've talked about this time and time and time again including

[0:49:22] Voice 13: at um all candidates meetings and that kind of stuff before the election where i was elected

[0:49:27] Voice 13: to this position and i've been nothing but stonewalled by that in my opinion and in my

[0:49:35] Voice 13: opinion even the local media hasn't picked up on it um so basically yeah sorry i

[0:49:43] Voice 6: have a point of

[0:49:45] Voice 6: order here yes how is

[0:49:47] Voice 15: this related to the follow-up action list uh

[0:49:50] Voice 6: yeah so so trustee harris okay well

[0:49:53] Voice 13: Well, how is anything related, anything that you guys were talking about

[0:49:56] Voice 13: in that conversation, how is that related to the follow-up action list?

[0:49:59] Voice 13: This is exactly what I'm talking about.

[0:50:01] Voice 13: I get stonewalled constantly.

[0:50:04] Voice 17: Yeah, there we go.

[0:50:05] Voice 17: Okay,

[0:50:06] Voice 13: yeah, all right.

[0:50:07] Voice 13: We are on the items on

[0:50:07] Voice 17: the follow-up action list,

[0:50:09] Voice 17: and we were specifically talking about the item to do with convening,

[0:50:14] Voice 17: working with the

[0:50:16] Voice 9: other agencies around this.

[0:50:17] Voice 9: So if you have specifics around that, that would be helpful.

[0:50:20] Voice 9: Yeah,

[0:50:21] Voice 13: my specifics are that it's out of our jurisdiction. We should be creating zoning that will allow for actually real progress to be made. And, you know, the issue of no housing for, as the other trustee put it, vulnerable people. Vulnerable people. It's, again, it's very frustrating to hear these kind of things because it's been going on for four years, eight years, 12 years, 20 years.

[0:50:47] Voice 17: I'm going to ask you to please wrap it up. I know that we have a public hearing coming

[0:50:51] Voice 17: up and staff has requested a break to make sure that we're properly prepared. Okay.

[0:51:01] Voice 17: Okay, so then let's recess

[0:51:06] Voice 9: until 10.30, so staff can do their necessary work for us for that.

[1:02:18] Voice 16: All right, everyone,

[1:02:19] Voice 16: back to border,

[1:02:22] Voice 9: and where proposed bylaw number 46, 355 Blackburn Road, is now open.

[1:02:37] Voice 9: I want to welcome everyone in attendance and acknowledge that we're meeting in the territory of Coast Salish First Nations.

[1:02:44] Voice 9: My name is Tim Peterson. I'm the chair of the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee.

[1:02:49] Voice 9: Joining me today are local Salt Spring Island local trustees, Jimmy Harris and Laura Patrick.

[1:02:55] Voice 9: The trust staff include Chris Hutton, a regional planning manager, Anthony Fettino, who is

[1:03:06] Voice 9: our island planner, joining us online, Brittany Holloway is our legislative clerk, and Lisa

[1:03:13] Voice 9: Millard is our event taker and meeting administrator.

[1:03:19] Voice 9: I want to give everyone the opportunity to speak without an adequate time to present

[1:03:24] Voice 9: their comments and we're advising that this public hearing will start today and may be adjourned and

[1:03:30] Voice 9: reconvened an announcement will be made later in the public hearing prior to the adjournment if

[1:03:36] Voice 9: the hearing is to be reconvened this public hearing is being convened uh pursuant to section

[1:03:45] Voice 9: 465 of the local government act in order to consider proposed bylaw number 546 cited as

[1:03:52] Voice 9: is Salt Stream Island land use by-law number 355,

[1:03:56] Voice 9: amendment number 5, 2025.

[1:04:00] Voice 9: All persons who believe that their interest in property

[1:04:02] Voice 9: is affected by the proposed by-laws

[1:04:04] Voice 9: will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard

[1:04:07] Voice 9: or to present written submissions

[1:04:09] Voice 9: respecting matters contained in the proposed by-laws.

[1:04:12] Voice 9: Those wishing to speak should commence their presentation

[1:04:15] Voice 9: by clearly stating their name.

[1:04:17] Voice 9: And then we also need to collect your names

[1:04:20] Voice 9: and uh over there i think you're going to be on

[1:04:23] Voice 17: that excellent uh members of the local trust

[1:04:27] Voice 17: committee may if they wish ask questions and be following

[1:04:29] Voice 9: your presentation however the main

[1:04:32] Voice 9: function of the local trust committee members is to listen to the views of the public it is not the

[1:04:37] Voice 9: function of the committee members to debate the merits of the proposed bylaws with individual

[1:04:40] Voice 9: citizens everyone

[1:04:43] Voice 17: will be given a

[1:04:43] Voice 9: reasonable opportunity to be heard and none should feel

[1:04:46] Voice 9: discouraged from presenting their views in considering the proposed bylaws the local trust

[1:04:51] Voice 9: committee has received documents which may influence its decision these documents are

[1:04:56] Voice 9: available for review during this hearing as available on our website and indicated during

[1:05:02] Voice 9: in the public hearing notice any person who wishes to present a written submission to the local trust

[1:05:09] Voice 9: committee may do so and all written submissions are available for a review during this hearing

[1:05:16] Voice 9: Written submissions must be received by the Local Trust Committee before the close of the hearing.

[1:05:22] Voice 9: Your final opportunity to comment on the proposed by-laws is during this hearing.

[1:05:26] Voice 9: Members of the

[1:05:27] Voice 9: Local Trust Committee may not receive further submissions nor discuss the

[1:05:31] Voice 9: proposed by-law with the public after the close of the hearing. After this public hearing has

[1:05:37] Voice 9: concluded, the Local Trust Committee may, without further notice, make whatever decision it deems

[1:05:41] Voice 9: proper with respect to the bylaws that are subject of the hearing.

[1:05:47] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:05:52] Voice 9: So, Mr. Fertino will summarize the public hearing notice, key points to bylaw and referral

[1:05:58] Voice 9: agency responses.

[1:06:04] Voice 9: Yes, he is with us.

[1:06:05] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:06:09] Voice 1: Good morning to LTC trustees.

[1:06:12] Voice 1: Nice to see everybody again.

[1:06:15] Voice 1: so a copy of this notice was advertised in two consecutive editions of the gulf islands driftwood

[1:06:22] Voice 1: on january 28th and february 4th 2026 all notification requirements under the local

[1:06:28] Voice 1: government act have been completed there is a copy of the complete public hearing binder available

[1:06:33] Voice 1: during this public hearing and it's located on the islands trust website the purpose of the

[1:06:38] Voice 1: proposed bylaw number 546 if adopted will alter alter the salt sprit island land use bylaw to

[1:06:44] Voice 1: to change the current zone of the subject property at 355 Blackburn Road from Agricultural 2, A2,

[1:06:51] Voice 1: to Agricultural 2, Variant C, which would be A2, Bracket C,

[1:06:55] Voice 1: to permit the current uses on the property in order to bring it into compliance with the Land Use By-law

[1:07:00] Voice 1: at the expiration of Land Use Contract By-law No. 195.

[1:07:04] Voice 1: 5. Proposed bylaw numbers 5, 4, 6 were referred to three provincial agencies, three regional

[1:07:12] Voice 1: agencies, four non-agencies, and 13 First Nations. The following comments and responses were received

[1:07:18] Voice 1: by the Local Trust Committee. Cowichan Valley Regional District had interests, interests were

[1:07:27] Voice 1: unaffected by the bylaw. The Thetis Island Local Trust Committee, the interests were unaffected

[1:07:32] Voice 1: by the bylaw. The Galliano Local Trust Committee interests were also unaffected by the bylaw.

[1:07:37] Voice 1: Main Island Local Trust Committee interests were unaffected by the bylaw.

[1:07:41] Voice 1: North Pender Local Trust Committee interests were unaffected by the bylaw.

[1:07:47] Voice 1: Paquachin First Nations defer to any nations whose title and governing authorities are directly

[1:07:52] Voice 1: affected. Sorry, the name, I'm going to get it incorrect and I apologize.

[1:07:58] Voice 1: apologize. Tsuba Atsiks, First Nation, defer to any nations whose title and governing authorities

[1:08:06] Voice 1: are directly affected, and the Malahat First Nations does not oppose the bylaw, but ground

[1:08:11] Voice 1: altering activities require presence of cultural monitoring due to high potential for presence of

[1:08:16] Voice 1: archaeological sites on Salisbury Island. As of February 12, 2026, which is today, at 9 a.m.,

[1:08:23] Voice 1: we have received two pieces so far i will advise of any i will advise and send if any

[1:08:29] Voice 1: sent any others thank you okay

[1:08:33] Voice 6: thank you um so

[1:08:37] Voice 9: i'm just gonna look for a quick show of hands

[1:08:40] Voice 9: and see how many people want to uh speak on the this item there's a lot that i'm gonna give a list

[1:08:48] Voice 9: and remind you to state your name um clearly

[1:08:57] Voice 17: and we'll make sure that brick captures that

[1:08:59] Voice 17: that. So I'm going to start on this side of the room and ask you to state your name and

[1:09:08] Voice 17: see what we have to say. So I'm going to start.

[1:09:10] Voice 9: Should I come closer to the table?

[1:09:12] Voice 9: Yeah,

[1:09:13] Voice 17: if you would actually come up closer to this table and then

[1:09:16] Voice 17: we can hear you.

[1:09:19] Voice 17: We can bring a chair,

[1:09:21] Voice 9: that'd be fine. Yeah, just one at a time. We'll start the back route

[1:09:27] Voice 9: and then work forward and then I'll come over to this side.

[1:09:30] Voice 4: i'll go to the back row okay

[1:09:35] Voice 6: we're going to start the second row then so if you want to come up

[1:09:38] Voice 6: closer to the uh table here yes and state your name and then are

[1:09:46] Voice 22: we just putting my name on the

[1:09:47] Voice 22: list are you starting or

[1:09:50] Voice 6: if if you would it might be helpful for brett would be helpful if after

[1:09:55] Voice 6: they speak if they come and get your name down so

[1:09:57] Voice 9: you get spelling right okay so after you've

[1:09:59] Voice 9: spoken please go over to the table and they can get your name right so

[1:10:03] Voice 9: go ahead all

[1:10:04] Voice 22: right my name

[1:10:05] Voice 22: is uh michael mccormick m-i-c-h-a-e-l m-c-c-o-r-m-i-c-k and i just wanted to confirm i sent

[1:10:17] Voice 22: two letters in i don't have an internet connection here but i just wanted to confirm that two letters

[1:10:25] Voice 22: were received by the trust from myself.

[1:10:29] Voice 22: Senator

[1:10:37] Voice 9: Fortuno, can you confirm that?

[1:10:41] Voice 9: At least two pieces of correspondence that you

[1:10:43] Voice 9: received as a follow-up.

[1:10:48] Voice 9: We did

[1:10:52] Voice 1: receive two pieces of correspondence.

[1:10:55] Voice 1: One was later yesterday, I believe.

[1:11:02] Voice 22: And one would have probably been Monday?

[1:11:04] Voice 22: it yeah

[1:11:05] Voice 1: yeah one was earlier in the week i believe that one is included um all

[1:11:10] Voice 22: right that's two if

[1:11:12] Voice 22: you have if the vote i just don't have the ability to um check if they're on there but i don't have a

[1:11:18] Voice 22: okay so it sounds like we've received okay yeah i do have a first time i wanted to say you um

[1:11:25] Voice 22: uh you just read through the uh your contact binder and correct me but you said the uh

[1:11:32] Voice 22: uh, Cowichan Regional District was, uh, contacted.

[1:11:39] Voice 22: Uh, that's what I heard.

[1:11:42] Voice 22: What we need is needed to have happen is the Capital Regional District to be contacted.

[1:11:48] Voice 22: In the binder, it's highlighted as the Capital Regional District.

[1:11:53] Voice 22: Just a moment.

[1:11:54] Voice 9: We've got some clarification here.

[1:11:56] Voice 9: Go ahead, sir.

[1:11:57] Voice 9: Thank you, Chair.

[1:11:58] Voice 9: The referral was provided to the Capital Regional District as well as the Cowichan Valley Regional District.

[1:12:05] The Cowichan Valley Regional District's referral response

[1:12:09] Voice 9: is what was noted in the public hearing statement.

[1:12:14] Voice 9: The absence of a CRE referral is not noted.

[1:12:22] Voice 12: We can only refer

[1:12:23] Voice 9: to positives that occurred.

[1:12:26] Voice 9: So, in other words, we didn't receive a response from the capital?

[1:12:29] Voice 9: We did refer. The referral document is available for you as a public care advisor for all the agencies that we referred to, but we did not receive a response.

[1:12:40] Voice 22: Okay.

[1:12:40] Voice 22: Speak to the functionality of your method. Why?

[1:12:45] Voice 22: i

[1:12:46] Voice 17: actually rather connect you to stick to the um the proposed bylaws because that is the subject

[1:12:53] Voice 9: we're not here around procedure well

[1:12:56] Voice 22: our regional our regional district manager who

[1:13:00] Voice 22: manages our water system um dan arpton was not informed uh and those are those are critical we

[1:13:10] Voice 22: on 350 people who rely on i understand however

[1:13:14] Voice 9: this body um doesn't have any influence on how

[1:13:17] Voice 9: the referral goes through the regional district that's not something we can i

[1:13:24] Voice 22: understand if you're

[1:13:25] Voice 22: putting a non-functional referrals that don't actually get to the people who rely on the

[1:13:31] Voice 22: drinking water i think that that's an important point it should be so if it doesn't happen today

[1:13:37] Voice 22: it should be clarified so it doesn't happen in the future okay i'm just going

[1:13:42] Voice 9: to pause you for a

[1:13:42] Voice 9: moment because i see uh planet fatino online has something to add at this point go ahead

[1:13:48] Voice 9: through

[1:13:49] Voice 1: the chair um we we did confirm in the last couple days because we did receive

[1:13:53] Voice 1: correspondence from the crd that they didn't receive a referral we did confirm that we sent

[1:13:58] Voice 1: it to the correct email address that they specified um so whatever happened when they

[1:14:05] Voice 1: They received it over on the CRD side.

[1:14:07] Voice 1: Like you said, we have no control over it,

[1:14:08] Voice 1: but we did send it to the correct email address that they provided.

[1:14:15] Voice 6: Thank you for that.

[1:14:17] Voice 22: But the end result is it functionally didn't get through to the operating body

[1:14:23] Voice 22: of 350 people who could draw their water out of Cush Lake

[1:14:27] Voice 22: and who are the professionals who could provide an opinion on the impact of this.

[1:14:33] Voice 22: It's significantly important.

[1:14:35] Voice 22: important. And just speaking to your referral binder, the Department of Fisheries has not

[1:14:41] Voice 22: missed it. Cushing Creek is one of only two Gulf Islands river water bodies that have

[1:14:49] Voice 22: salmon bearing in it, and there's a hatchery on it. And also, there was no referral to

[1:14:56] Voice 22: to any kind of the administrative environment

[1:14:59] Voice 22: who have authority over the fish and wildlife.

[1:15:05] Voice 22: So those are deficiencies in your referral binder

[1:15:09] Voice 22: that are critical that should be addressed

[1:15:12] Voice 22: before anything can be changed on the current zoning.

[1:15:17] Voice 22: That's my points to the distribution.

[1:15:21] Voice 22: I will have a short letter I would like to read.

[1:15:25] Voice 22: Good day. My name is Michael McCormick. I'm a resident within the Cushion Lake Watershed,

[1:15:34] Voice 22: a Bettis Water Service Commissioner and President of Becara, the Bettis and Cushion Area Residents

[1:15:42] Voice 22: Association. And I'm speaking here today at a personal capacity. This property occupies a

[1:15:51] Voice 22: hydrologically critical position in our watershed more than 90 percent of the surface water entering

[1:15:58] Voice 22: cushion lake flows in through blackburn creek and hitchcock creek and into cushion creek one of the

[1:16:07] Voice 22: few salmon bearing waterways in the gulf islands cushion lake supplies drinking water to over 600

[1:16:13] Voice 22: The original land use contract imposed measurable environmental safeguards, a maximum of 17

[1:16:23] Voice 22: bedrooms, a 15,000 square foot area cap, a daily effluent discharge limit of 21,249 liters.

[1:16:36] Voice 22: The 17 bedroom cap applied to total bedrooms, including staff accommodation, and was embedded

[1:16:44] Voice 22: added within the sewage discharge limitations.

[1:16:48] Voice 22: These limits define the environmental envelope

[1:16:51] Voice 22: under which the original approval was granted.

[1:16:54] Voice 22: The current amendment appears to remove

[1:16:57] Voice 22: those fixed quantitative limits.

[1:17:01] Voice 22: This is a material change.

[1:17:03] Voice 22: Removing objective caps places measurable environmental,

[1:17:09] Voice 22: removing objective caps replaces measurable

[1:17:13] Voice 22: environmental controls with discretionary regulation. Before such safeguards are removed,

[1:17:20] Voice 22: compliance with these original limits should be confirmed. Two registered covenants remain on

[1:17:28] Voice 22: title. Covenant K55201 protects repairing areas. Covenant K55202 restricts the property to one

[1:17:38] Voice 22: One residential unit without prior written consent

[1:17:42] Voice 22: of the island's trust, that covenant runs with the land.

[1:17:46] Voice 22: A zoning amendment does not override that.

[1:17:49] Voice 22: Agricultural Land Commission approval does not override it.

[1:17:53] Voice 22: It can only be changed through lawful discharge

[1:17:56] Voice 22: or written consent.

[1:17:58] Voice 22: Clarification is required.

[1:18:00] Voice 22: Do these covenants remain in place?

[1:18:02] Voice 22: Has consent been granted to exceed

[1:18:05] Voice 22: see one residential unit and is discharged of these covenants proposed.

[1:18:14] Voice 22: It is not an objection to this use in principle.

[1:18:18] Voice 22: It is a request for regulatory clarity and environmental verification

[1:18:23] Voice 22: before established safeguards are removed.

[1:18:27] Voice 22: In a hydrological critical, salmon-bearing drinking water watershed,

[1:18:32] Voice 22: shed compliance and coordinated review should precede amendment thank you very much thank you

[1:18:39] Voice 9: i know i saw some more hands over on this side thank

[1:18:49] Voice 21: you trustees my name is um chris smith i

[1:18:51] Voice 21: serve as well on the bettis water commission and um raise children in this watershed um as mike

[1:18:57] Voice 21: pointed out the commission through no fault of our own didn't get the chance to review this

[1:19:01] Voice 21: application with our engineers for water specialists because that information didn't

[1:19:04] Voice 21: it to us um my primary concern with this application and anthony i talked about this at

[1:19:09] Voice 21: the information meeting is that in the description of this application it says um to bring current

[1:19:15] Voice 21: uses into legality when in

[1:19:17] Voice 21: actual fact this application makes a number of usage changes

[1:19:20] Voice 21: to the land that um i think require some more transparency around the consultation namely

[1:19:26] Voice 21: um 1400 meters of new construction including 10 uh agritourism cabins and 17 new dwelling units

[1:19:34] Voice 21: The application also changes the zoning of the school building away from just educational purposes into general assembly and authorizes on the land the creation of accommodations pursuant to any purposes.

[1:19:46] Voice 21: So this potentially opens the land up to a high amount of occupancy not currently allowed.

[1:19:54] Voice 21: So it's more than just continuing forward current uses.

[1:19:57] Voice 21: As Mike pointed out, the consultation missing from the Water Commission and water specialists

[1:20:03] Voice 21: in the sensitive zone and also the fisheries folks, Mike went into that.

[1:20:06] Voice 21: So one of the primary concerns here from a water perspective is that the current uses

[1:20:12] Voice 21: haven't been interrogated against the water license that's in place on the land, the well

[1:20:16] Voice 21: status that's in place on the land and the current septic infrastructure in place on

[1:20:20] Voice 21: the land.

[1:20:21] Voice 21: So if we are at a place where we're not even checking that the infrastructure is safe for

[1:20:25] Voice 21: drinking water supply and watershed um we need to we need to interrogate that situation before we

[1:20:31] Voice 21: grant um further development on the land um which is is really you know extremely important where

[1:20:38] Voice 21: that where this property sits um which is to say you know when i read the letter from the society

[1:20:44] Voice 21: which has been a very good steward to this land for a long time but this is changing zoning not

[1:20:48] Voice 21: for the society for this land um and going into the future and we need to be very careful to

[1:20:53] Voice 21: to interrogate exactly what this means,

[1:20:55] Voice 21: make sure that the right bodies were consulted

[1:20:56] Voice 21: and really look carefully at the way this is drafted

[1:21:01] Voice 21: because it opens up quite a bit

[1:21:03] Voice 21: of future development possibility on this sensitive land.

[1:21:07] Voice 21: Thanks so much.

[1:21:15] Voice 23: My name is Wayne Hewitt.

[1:21:18] Voice 23: And as a long time volunteer on protection of the watersheds

[1:21:24] Voice 23: on Salt Spring Island for the fresh water,

[1:21:25] Voice 23: water. I find this bylaw is lacking a lot of environmental protection. And it's actually

[1:21:32] Voice 23: increasing uses that I would consider could be detrimental to the watershed. When I look

[1:21:39] Voice 23: also at the amount of activity and development that's already taken place on the land. And

[1:21:45] Voice 23: if you go back to the land use contract, H00608, it was basically then made so they could build

[1:21:56] Voice 23: that golf course and the main place which they called the manor house it's going to be the

[1:22:03] Voice 23: community golf course clubhouse so now when i

[1:22:09] Voice 23: look at this and i've looked back at the maps and we've

[1:22:12] Voice 23: worked on this before we're doing the magic plan we kind of searched all these properties that we

[1:22:16] Voice 23: thought would have major attacks and the concern i have is that here we are we've got a bylaw

[1:22:22] Voice 23: that just basically says okay we've now added these new uses and we've made a new definition.

[1:22:32] Voice 23: So artist studio means to use the premises for production optional display. There's nothing in

[1:22:39] Voice 23: there about there's lots of artists in studio activities or products that could produce

[1:22:47] Voice 23: that could use a lot of water

[1:22:48] Voice 23: cause a lot of chemicals to be released into the watershed

[1:22:53] Voice 23: shed. And there's no nothing in there. They just made a thing

[1:22:56] Voice 23: saying I just the studio they have any limit saying that you

[1:23:00] Voice 23: can't contaminate or you can't use excess water. So I have no

[1:23:07] Voice 23: problem with that definition. And also I have a problem with

[1:23:11] Voice 23: it being added on there because you've just basically increased

[1:23:13] Voice 23: more uses of the property. And it looks to me when I go to the

[1:23:17] Voice 23: list of the current one, we already have properties on we

[1:23:21] Voice 23: We have things under, like there's three cabins

[1:23:23] Voice 23: under number 21, and this is off the public hearing binder,

[1:23:29] Voice 23: and the Agricultural Land Commission

[1:23:33] Voice 23: did not allow all these other cabins.

[1:23:36] Voice 23: There's already, it says, if you go here,

[1:23:38] Voice 23: it says number 10, greenhouse slash cabin,

[1:23:44] Voice 23: 17, 15, cabin, 17, cabin.

[1:23:47] Voice 23: Go to 21, look at the map,

[1:23:48] Voice 23: there's actually three places where there's cabins.

[1:23:51] Voice 23: There's three 21s on there.

[1:23:53] Voice 23: They only were allowed on the Agriculture Land Commission

[1:23:56] Voice 23: for four taverns total.

[1:23:58] Voice 23: So here we got more and above,

[1:24:00] Voice 23: and we didn't even get permission

[1:24:01] Voice 23: from the Agriculture Land Commission.

[1:24:03] Voice 23: And it states in the bylaw

[1:24:04] Voice 23: that you're supposed to get permission

[1:24:06] Voice 23: from the Agriculture Land Commission

[1:24:07] Voice 23: before you develop these structures.

[1:24:12] Voice 23: Also, you look at the thing is I had a real concern.

[1:24:15] Voice 23: They said, there's been no concerns about the property.

[1:24:18] Voice 23: Yes, there was.

[1:24:19] Voice 23: We were doing the management plan.

[1:24:20] Voice 23: One of our sampling points

[1:24:21] Voice 23: It was right adjacent to this property, down the street, right next to the Salisbury Conservancy

[1:24:27] Voice 23: land.

[1:24:28] Voice 23: And when we looked at what was happening with the campground, it was basically people were

[1:24:33] Voice 23: dumping their grain water all over, there was toilet paper all over.

[1:24:35] Voice 23: It was used basically by an unlimited number of units of trailers, RVs, tents, even the

[1:24:42] Voice 23: people that ran the golf course, that were running the black men's golf course at the

[1:24:45] Voice 23: time, approached us and said, what can you guys do about this?

[1:24:48] Voice 23: We saw it's not allowed by zoning, but we contacted George Lucanville, who is the CRD

[1:24:54] Voice 23: by-law enforcement officer at the time, and brought all these different things in because

[1:25:00] Voice 23: I was the one who was the chair of the Christian Watershed Management Plan.

[1:25:03] Voice 23: I got the, I would say, responsibility of going through all the by-law infractions we

[1:25:10] Voice 23: had found as we toured through the watershed, and nothing happened.

[1:25:15] Voice 23: like that we didn't get any kind of number back saying that this was going to be addressed right

[1:25:20] Voice 23: we follow up numbers or anything it just basically went and we talked to him personally and it just

[1:25:25] Voice 23: went into there nothing happened so there has been concerns over the long term of the history

[1:25:32] Voice 23: of the property so that's not correct when they say that but when i look at this now i don't think

[1:25:38] Voice 23: there should be any more development i think it's over developed when you've already got basically a

[1:25:43] Voice 23: list on there for the blackburn road existing uses and buildings with a total of 24 but add the extra

[1:25:50] Voice 23: under 20 number 21 on the map and it's actually three cabins where it just just happens here

[1:25:57] Voice 23: so you i just think that we you need to tour the property i would think i recommend or suggest

[1:26:04] Voice 23: that you tour the property have a really good look at the property so you would have a better

[1:26:09] Voice 23: understanding of what's actually occurring and also what could happen in the future if the

[1:26:15] Voice 23: property ends up being sold to some group that wants it just as an estate or whatever and there's

[1:26:22] Voice 23: nothing really stopping it the covenants meant nothing because they're supposed to before they

[1:26:26] Voice 23: do development they're supposed to contact the fish and wildlife branch of the nation environment

[1:26:30] Voice 23: on those two covenants there's no record showing they did we asked daryl janet who's the applicant

[1:26:39] Voice 23: public meeting the other night, the Zoom meeting, and he couldn't give us an answer. There's

[1:26:45] Voice 23: no documentation showing they did. I just find this whole thing needs to basically be

[1:26:54] Voice 23: held on hold until we address all these issues that could impact the water, because there's

[1:27:01] Voice 23: nothing in here saying we have a limit under the bylaw 195 on the amount of sewage, and

[1:27:08] Voice 23: And yet there's nothing in this new bylaw that states anything to do with that.

[1:27:12] Voice 23: The environmental protections we had under environmental policies,

[1:27:16] Voice 23: which I'm not going to read all of them to you,

[1:27:18] Voice 23: because you can easily read them under Bylaw 195,

[1:27:21] Voice 23: for building size, for environmental management and practices,

[1:27:27] Voice 23: for the environmental policies, none of them are on the Bylaw 526,

[1:27:32] Voice 23: the new Bylaw 546.

[1:27:34] Voice 23: six so i think this bylaw to me needs to be really seriously looked at and not just say well they

[1:27:41] Voice 23: have no problems in the last 40 years so we're just going to basically we've already got first

[1:27:45] Voice 23: reading second reading and there's a possibility to give a third reading today and it just sits

[1:27:50] Voice 23: the way it is without addressing any concerns it could be currently happening or could happen by

[1:27:57] Voice 23: future owners because we already know that this property had some financial concerns

[1:28:05] Voice 23: where they were wanting to build a bunch of different cabins and everything else to try to

[1:28:08] Voice 23: help them get out and they lost the charity tax status in 2015 so all these things when you adjust

[1:28:16] Voice 23: them all together it doesn't get to my very financial picture and somebody could come in

[1:28:20] Voice 23: and say okay well i'm going to buy it i'm going to log it up and i know they've been trying to

[1:28:25] Voice 23: protect an area which I really admire them for called Dandaka which is basically 10 to 16 acres

[1:28:31] Voice 23: depending on what land they actually protect it's 43 and the wetlands and everything else

[1:28:38] Voice 23: and I think that should be maybe one of the conditions if they're going to do more development

[1:28:43] Voice 23: there should be some trade-off that they actually protect that land as a covenant but a covenant

[1:28:49] Voice 23: it today with actual fines actual rent charges and cost of living increases and whatever it takes and

[1:28:57] Voice 23: monitoring yearly monitoring where it happens this covenant doesn't have any of those you look at

[1:29:03] Voice 23: those cabinets there's really nothing they're just kind of an airy fairy thing just for contact

[1:29:08] Voice 23: efficient wildlife branch of the major environment and well they need to if they're using this water

[1:29:18] Voice 23: and they are definitely using it for purposes that are long above domestic, residential, one-family use.

[1:29:28] Voice 23: So this water should have, this whole water system should be, it's under the Drinking Water Protection Act.

[1:29:33] Voice 23: So it needs to be under small systems before people basically get contaminated.

[1:29:39] Voice 23: The old landfill site is not very far away.

[1:29:43] Voice 23: and we've always we've already addressed that there's um forever chemicals coming in the wire

[1:29:50] Voice 23: because they've been detected in the cushion lake michael could tell you more about that

[1:29:55] Voice 23: because he did the study on that so i think we need to look at this really seriously

[1:30:00] Voice 23: and say okay what impact is this whole change is going to be and I know you're supposed to try to

[1:30:05] Voice 23: make a bylaw because of after getting the government basically the provincial government

[1:30:10] Voice 23: saying in June of 2024 that all of the land use contracts had to be disappeared new bylaws had

[1:30:16] Voice 23: to be in place but this bylaw should cover that we're making of at least what was allowed and what

[1:30:23] Voice 23: was stated on there for all the all the reasons I just stated under bylaw 195 and it doesn't

[1:30:30] Voice 23: It's just a little tiny bylaw that made a few changes and said, hey, yep, here we go.

[1:30:38] Voice 23: So I'm not sure I had too much more to say.

[1:30:42] Voice 23: I try not to take up too much time because I know you've got a busy meeting ahead of you.

[1:30:47] Voice 23: But I just don't think there should be any more development until it's really looked at seriously.

[1:30:51] Voice 23: So I'd appreciate it if you consider that.

[1:30:55] Voice 23: Thank you very much for the time.

[1:30:58] Voice 12: Good afternoon.

[1:31:06] Voice 8: My name is Mark Classen.

[1:31:07] Voice 8: I've been a resident on Salt Spring since 1979, and I've been involved with the property

[1:31:13] Voice 8: in question since its establishment in 81.

[1:31:16] Voice 8: I'd like to make some corrections on Mr. Hewitt's statements.

[1:31:20] Voice 8: First of all, the property in question, when it was bought, the original Blackburn Manor

[1:31:25] Voice 8: was not a golf course.

[1:31:26] Voice 8: It was a dairy farm, and Ms. Delia Von Schilling separated the two properties and put an organic

[1:31:33] Voice 8: golf course on the area that's now the Salt Spring Conservancy.

[1:31:36] Voice 8: It was originally a dairy farm, and there hasn't been no animal farming on that property since that time.

[1:31:43] Voice 8: I think the society and the property have had a very good relationship with the community

[1:31:51] Voice 8: and has helped the community in many different ways.

[1:31:53] Voice 8: The Water Preservation Society itself was established around the time of the development of the property

[1:31:59] Voice 8: by Tom Gossett and Sid Filko at the time,

[1:32:02] Voice 8: and they did a lot of work on water preservation across the island.

[1:32:07] Voice 8: They did a lot of work on holding what was globally known

[1:32:12] Voice 8: as the dump across the road, the Blackburn Road.

[1:32:16] Voice 8: Dharamsara Society worked very hard on bringing more environmental protections

[1:32:21] Voice 8: and turning it into a transfer station instead

[1:32:25] Voice 8: so that there were no chemicals being leached into the environment.

[1:32:30] Voice 8: It was very important to the people of the land.

[1:32:33] Voice 8: They had an extensive relationship with the Salmon Enhancement Society.

[1:32:38] Voice 8: There was a pond built on the property to enhance the salmon habitat with Cathy Reimer.

[1:32:49] Voice 8: They had a certified organic farm, which was certified for quite a few years.

[1:32:57] Voice 8: they had to abandon the certification aspect because they couldn't keep up the sales required

[1:33:02] Voice 8: to maintain their certification, but they've been an organic farm ever since.

[1:33:08] Voice 8: They have, as Mr. Hewitt mentioned, been working for many years on preservation of the Dundaka

[1:33:15] Voice 8: Forest, approximately five or six acres of ancient cedar forest.

[1:33:19] Voice 8: They've been working in hand with the Conservancy and other organizations to bring this about.

[1:33:25] Voice 8: out it's their intent to do that in the next year or two as required and uh in regards to the water

[1:33:38] Voice 8: use the well at this at the center there's one well 150 feet deep it is required has been required

[1:33:47] Voice 8: for a long time to provide annual microbiology and every five years a metal scan there has never

[1:33:55] Voice 8: been a negative microbiology scan of that well its whole time the existence

[1:34:01] Voice 8: of the schools are to provide a report to the Ministry of Education every

[1:34:05] Voice 8: summer which they did faithfully and their metal the only problem with their

[1:34:09] Voice 8: metal scans they have

[1:34:10] Voice 8: some elevated manganese which is very common in water

[1:34:13] Voice 8: on Salisbury Island the sewage fields are all permitted and they were

[1:34:21] Voice 8: regularly pumped so there's very little possibility of any pollution from those fields

[1:34:29] Voice 8: if there is any the kids in the school i worked in the school for six years i was a principal

[1:34:34] Voice 8: for a couple of years i'm on the board as well present time the uh if there is any pollution

[1:34:42] Voice 8: kids regularly study blackburn creek as part of their education and they were it may have been

[1:34:49] Voice 8: less than perfect scientific but they were stewards of that creek whenever they could be

[1:34:55] Voice 8: if there is any pollution it might well be related to the sunrise place development

[1:35:00] Voice 8: uphill from the center of the creek to the south of the creek which was established some

[1:35:08] Voice 8: two decades ago and which uh and of course the residuals from the dump across the road

[1:35:14] Voice 8: the center has always worked very closely with the conservancy and they've done their utmost

[1:35:20] Voice 8: to preserve the quality of the water on the land and to act in an environmentally responsible way

[1:35:28] Voice 8: thank you thank

[1:35:30] Voice 9: you was there one more hand over

[1:35:32] Voice 9: on this side

[1:35:41] Voice 12: is it finishing up this side

[1:35:44] Voice 6: i'm finishing up this side then i'm going to be on the side yeah

[1:35:50] Voice 11: i i just want to say that what maxine reister i just want to say that uh you just heard

[1:35:59] Voice 11: uh from the owners of the property about all the good things they've done and that would be fine

[1:36:06] Voice 11: if they could guarantee they would never sell it to anybody else and they would never do anything

[1:36:12] Voice 11: else. But Sony is forever. It's for future owners in perpetuity. And that's why there need to be

[1:36:22] Voice 11: limits on this land so that it's protected properly because of being in the cushion like

[1:36:27] Voice 11: watershed. So I just want to make that point.

[1:36:34] Voice 9: Now I'm going to move over to this side of the room.

[1:36:36] Voice 9: I know I saw some fans over here. Can you come up here so we can hear you on the microphone?

[1:36:42] Voice 9: My

[1:36:47] Voice 3: name is Usha Rotenbach and I have been part of the community since 1981 as well as

[1:36:55] Voice 3: the last speaker. I've also been, I was founder of the school so I'm still on the board of

[1:37:02] Voice 3: the school and I'm connected with it. So I just wanted to make one brief connection and

[1:37:07] Voice 3: that is that it was said that community use in school building would be a new use. It

[1:37:14] Voice 3: It is not.

[1:37:14] Voice 3: The community, there is one room in the school that is zoned for assembly use.

[1:37:22] Voice 3: The big room in the school is zoned for assembly use.

[1:37:27] Voice 3: So that's all, and that has been since the 1990s.

[1:37:31] Voice 3: So that's all I need to say.

[1:37:35] Voice 3: A correction of a misunderstanding that assembly use has not been increased or added to.

[1:37:41] Voice 3: It's always been part of the land use contract.

[1:37:45] Voice 12: Okay, thank you. And if I see some more hands on this side.

[1:37:53] Voice 26: My name is Rodney Polden. I have been involved with the Salt Spring Centre of Yoga since 1981.

[1:38:04] Voice 26: One of the first people to be my wife and I came to Canada for this purpose,

[1:38:14] Voice 26: came to Canada in order to join the group of people who were very idealistic and aimed to

[1:38:21] Voice 26: create an intentional community on land where we could find it. We hunted for some years

[1:38:28] Voice 26: and found the 66 acres that we have on Blackburn Road and we all pooled our resources to buy the

[1:38:36] Voice 26: land at that point since that time i think we have truly done a better job of preserving and

[1:38:44] Voice 26: protecting that land environmentally and in all of the other uses uh in the ways that it has been

[1:38:54] Voice 26: a con a contribution to the community of salt spring it is used by many many different uh

[1:39:01] Voice 26: organizations as a rental place for their weekend workshops, various things.

[1:39:09] Voice 26: But the use, I think it would be easy to imagine that there are a great number of people living

[1:39:16] Voice 26: there constantly. The actual use of the land and of the facilities there is seasonal. It's

[1:39:29] Voice 26: for one long weekend is when we have the annual retreat that we have held since 1978, I believe

[1:39:38] Voice 26: was the first one that we held before we owned this land. So then there are a great many people

[1:39:45] Voice 26: there for a long weekend. Otherwise, peak usage tends to be much, much lower. And it's not that

[1:39:53] Voice 26: There are a great number of people living there.

[1:39:55] Voice 26: Even the staff who run the place and serve the visitors who come to stay there are on a seasonal basis.

[1:40:06] Voice 26: We have young people who come.

[1:40:07] Voice 26: Maybe you've heard of the concept of woofers.

[1:40:10] Voice 26: These are people who come and do voluntary service on the land for a specified period of time

[1:40:17] Voice 26: and help with cooking, with making beds, with tending to the garden, with all of our activities on the land.

[1:40:26] Voice 26: They stay for a short period of time and mostly leave because they have lives elsewhere.

[1:40:33] Voice 26: So it's not that this is an intense use of a property.

[1:40:38] Voice 26: It is providing a much needed community service to many people.

[1:40:46] Voice 26: Some of the charitable activities that we did previously were in fact shut down by the CRA when an audit was done, an aggressive audit was done of the property of the organisation in the era when the Harper government was also going after the Red Cross and Oxfam and other organisations.

[1:41:09] Voice 26: And at that point, we were given the choice of either surrendering our charitable status or of having it taken away from us without all of our assets.

[1:41:22] Voice 26: And we took the less damaging option of becoming a non-profit organization instead.

[1:41:28] Voice 26: All of this stuff gets amplified in community gossip into being that, oh, we are really not an ethical organization.

[1:41:37] Voice 26: But truly, I think we are recognized by many other organizations on Salt Lake, many individuals, and we have served over those times as being one of the most genuinely environmental and most progressive organizations here.

[1:41:54] Voice 26: Here, speaking for myself, one of the first actions that I was involved in, because we lived at that time opposite an actual dump, now it's a transfer station, but we used to joke, we were called Dump View Manor, you know, because we are directly opposite.

[1:42:12] Voice 26: So we have a long boundary across Blackburn Road with the dump.

[1:42:16] Voice 26: And at that time, it was being regularly burnt over.

[1:42:19] Voice 26: And the island

[1:42:21] Voice 3: would

[1:42:22] Voice 26: be, you know, there would be great quantities of pollution coming from that.

[1:42:27] Voice 26: As a result of that, I was appointed to be one of the members of the Islands Trust Advisory Solid Waste Committee and served in that capacity for some time.

[1:42:40] Voice 26: we were involved in many environmental efforts to enhance Salt Springs and the trust areas

[1:42:52] Voice 26: mandate to preserve and protect. So subsequently myself, my wife and another friend all served

[1:43:02] Voice 26: periods of eight to ten years on the board of the Salt Spring Island Water Preservation Society

[1:43:09] Voice 26: which was founded by several members of our organization, along with Tom Gossett and others.

[1:43:16] Voice 26: That organization was the first environmental organization that was active on Salt Spring in that way.

[1:43:25] Voice 26: And to this day, I still am primarily involved with conservation work on Salt Spring,

[1:43:32] Voice 26: along with my work at the Salt Spring Center to preserve and protect that property.

[1:43:39] Voice 26: We have some very critical habitat there.

[1:43:44] Voice 26: I monitor for bats as part of the Salt Spring Island Bat Program.

[1:43:49] Voice 26: And I have been working for, I think this is actually the seventh spring that I am working to get an area that we know as Dundaka.

[1:43:58] Voice 26: It's a cedar swamp forest that is a very, very rare habitat, a very rare ecotype that

[1:44:07] Voice 26: was confirmed for us by Tom Beebekauser, who is probably North America's foremost wetlands

[1:44:15] Voice 26: expert and visited, spent quite a time with us working on both our land and on the nature

[1:44:25] Voice 26: reserve next door.

[1:44:26] Voice 26: all. So I have been endeavouring to get some form of protection. I understand that, you

[1:44:36] Voice 26: know, Mr Hewitt says we don't have proper covenants. I don't know whether it's simply

[1:44:42] Voice 26: not known, but it is not possible to place a covenant on an area that is in the agricultural

[1:44:50] Voice 26: land reserve, as the whole of our property is. We have endeavoured to do that, both with

[1:44:56] Voice 26: with the Salt Spring Conservancy

[1:44:58] Voice 26: and also with the Islands Trust Conservancy.

[1:45:01] Voice 26: I've worked closely with the Islands Trust Conservancy

[1:45:04] Voice 26: over three, I think it's the fourth year now,

[1:45:07] Voice 26: on creating proposals that could enable this land,

[1:45:13] Voice 26: this extremely valuable,

[1:45:15] Voice 26: the actual area of the forest is 10 acres itself.

[1:45:19] Voice 26: There's a bordering area along the boundary

[1:45:21] Voice 26: with the nature reserve that we would also like to protect

[1:45:25] Voice 26: as it could do with having more than simply RAR as its protector.

[1:45:31] Voice 26: We have three watercourses that run through the property,

[1:45:36] Voice 26: and one of them, what I would call Blackburn Creek,

[1:45:40] Voice 26: what may be known as Cushman Creek now, is a primary water source.

[1:45:45] Voice 26: It contributes something like around, I believe,

[1:45:49] Voice 26: I believe the Blackburn Lake contributes 70% of the water

[1:45:54] Voice 26: to Cushon Lake.

[1:45:56] Voice 26: I have worked closely with all of these organizations,

[1:46:00] Voice 26: including Cushon Lake Stewardship Committee.

[1:46:03] Voice 26: And in fact, you know, Mr. Hewitt's organization

[1:46:07] Voice 26: was kind enough to provide us with a very warm

[1:46:11] Voice 26: and very supportive letter of support

[1:46:14] Voice 26: that went as part of the package

[1:46:16] Voice 26: to Islands Trust Conservancy in our proposal to them

[1:46:20] Voice 26: that they should give us a sum,

[1:46:25] Voice 26: that there would be some kind of meaningful outcome

[1:46:29] Voice 26: to an extensive proposal in what we put in.

[1:46:33] Voice 26: We've been through the same process

[1:46:34] Voice 26: with the Salt Spring Island Conservancy,

[1:46:38] Voice 26: but in the absence of the ability

[1:46:41] Voice 26: to place a conservation covenant,

[1:46:44] Voice 26: a modern, meaningful conservation covelling onto land, because it's in the RAR, it comes,

[1:46:51] Voice 26: it falls under the ALC instead. And the ALC have only recently, a year or two ago, they

[1:47:00] Voice 26: actually put a covelling for the first time on land on Laskisi, that you may know about.

[1:47:06] Voice 26: And that was after seven years of work by Ernst Trust Conservancy to achieve that aim.

[1:47:15] Voice 26: So it is a difficult position and we are doing all that we can to be good stewards in our land.

[1:47:24] Voice 26: I realize that unless something is actually nailed down in perpetuity, any kind of protections are placed on it has limited meaningfulness.

[1:47:36] Voice 26: what we can do at present as an organization is to aggressively aggressively i shouldn't use that

[1:47:43] Voice 26: word but forcefully effectively approach providing the protection that we can to that property i

[1:47:50] Voice 26: realize i'm taking a while to tell you this but this is important this is this is 40 years of

[1:47:56] Voice 26: work that we have been doing on that on that property we were not the ones who sought the

[1:48:02] Voice 26: The change in zoning, it was required of us by the provincial government since our land

[1:48:09] Voice 26: use contract, which we have well negotiated, we've been involved with since its inception

[1:48:14] Voice 26: back in 79, 80, 81, since that has now become void, there has to be new zoning.

[1:48:24] Voice 26: That was not something, we did not go after this because we wanted to suddenly expand

[1:48:29] Voice 26: our uses.

[1:48:30] Voice 26: What we, as I believe our representative, you know, Janet said, what we are seeking to do is to bring what we do already, what we have been committed to do, into compliance with modern legislation and with the legal framework that's required.

[1:48:50] Voice 26: So we're doing our best in that way. And we will continue to do our best. Falling into the pigeon's holes that are provided as possibilities in terms of zoning and so on is an inexact science.

[1:49:09] Voice 26: science. We are not going to be able to craft our own approach to this in such a way that

[1:49:18] Voice 26: it protects. Finally, we're in a state of change. The changes that we're going to see

[1:49:24] Voice 26: on this island and on that property over the next 20 years, we can barely imagine. There

[1:49:30] Voice 26: are going to be huge changes and it's impossible for anybody to be able to predict what would

[1:49:37] Voice 26: would become of this property if we are ever forced to give it up. Part of what we are trying

[1:49:43] Voice 26: to do currently at the Salt Spring Centre of Yoga is to maintain our financial viability

[1:49:49] Voice 26: so that we can carry on doing this good work. And that requires that we be able to adapt to

[1:49:57] Voice 26: two new circumstances, and that is, if anything is there as part of what we are, what we have

[1:50:06] Voice 26: come to be asked to apply for, if you like, it arises from that fact.

[1:50:13] Voice 26: It arises from the fact that we have to adapt ourselves to maintain

[1:50:17] Voice 26: our financial capacity.

[1:50:19] Voice 26: I think that's all I really can ask you to listen to for today, but thank you for all

[1:50:24] Voice 26: that you're doing.

[1:50:25] Voice 26: Thank

[1:50:27] Voice 9: you for that.

[1:50:29] Voice 9: we have the time and i know we're going to have to take a break and and we have a time set for

[1:50:34] Voice 9: applications but i'll look to see if there's anyone else i would like to speak

[1:50:40] Voice 9: thank

[1:50:41] Voice 14: you my name is claire cullen um i've been involved with this center since 2006

[1:50:50] Voice 14: and one of my roles was as the past president and full disclosure i was part of this um

[1:50:57] Voice 14: I was on the board at the time that this process was submitted, this application.

[1:51:01] Voice 14: Also, full disclosure, I am the Executive Director of the Salt Spring Island Conservancy,

[1:51:05] Voice 14: which is a neighbor of the property.

[1:51:08] Voice 14: I'm not speaking on behalf of the Conservancy today.

[1:51:11] Voice 14: I'm speaking on behalf of myself.

[1:51:13] Voice 14: I really appreciated all that Rodney said.

[1:51:16] Voice 14: He said a lot of the same things that I wanted to iterate today.

[1:51:19] Voice 14: I do, of course, am here to support this proposal.

[1:51:24] Voice 14: proposal. I wanted to again emphasize that we didn't want to rezone. The Centre had no intention

[1:51:32] Voice 14: of trying to increase its development, change the uses of the property. We were required to

[1:51:37] Voice 14: rezone because of the land use contract coming to an end. We are in the ALR portions of the land.

[1:51:45] Voice 14: There's one portion of the land that is not in the ALR, the shale mound as it's referred to,

[1:51:50] Voice 14: that goes straight down the center the rest of the property is in the ALR so I would offer that

[1:51:56] Voice 14: to Maxine and others who are concerned about the future that future owners would have to have it

[1:52:04] Voice 14: appealed you know appeal to the ALC to have it removed from the ALR which is an owner's process

[1:52:08] Voice 14: not impossible

[1:52:09] Voice 14: but certainly provides protections I hope that would give some confidence I also

[1:52:16] Voice 14: would like to correct some of the inaccurate information that I've seen in

[1:52:21] Voice 14: correspondence circulating not here today but just provide some context in

[1:52:29] Voice 14: the there was some mention and some of the correspondence I've seen around tiny

[1:52:35] Voice 14: homes being 40 plus tiny homes going on to the land when the pandemic was

[1:52:42] Voice 14: happening the board at the time and the executive director were looking at

[1:52:45] Voice 14: different options to help support the center because of the obvious financial issues here

[1:52:54] Voice 14: and experienced by everyone they were also looking to support the community recognizing

[1:52:59] Voice 14: that housing is very short supply on the island and is it possible that this was a solution

[1:53:06] Voice 14: that the organization could offer they did hire a consultant and it was deemed that it wasn't

[1:53:14] Voice 14: a viable solution wasn't a good idea and was not the direction that the center wanted to go so there

[1:53:19] Voice 14: are no tiny homes being provided planned no tiny home villages and just wouldn't be effective

[1:53:27] Voice 14: anyway because of our water and sewage capacity and we didn't want to exceed that the other thing

[1:53:34] Voice 14: i've seen circulating is the fact because we are posting for a kitchen coordinator that could serve

[1:53:40] Voice 14: of 130 people suddenly we are hosting huge events and having huge amounts of people coming to the

[1:53:46] Voice 14: center that's just not the case this is the job posting that has gone out year over year the same

[1:53:52] Voice 14: position as Robbie mentioned as well we have about a capacity of about 26 beds people come and stay

[1:54:00] Voice 14: and have weekend retreats at the yoga center very part-time the only time there's really a larger

[1:54:06] Voice 14: or crowd is at the annual community retreat which is a gathering on the August 1 weekend

[1:54:12] Voice 14: and that's really the only time that there are large gatherings on the land. Occasionally there

[1:54:18] Voice 14: are community dinners usually Indian meals which people love and also Indian concerts which are

[1:54:24] Voice 14: open to the community and those could be over maybe 50 to 60 people but again few and far

[1:54:32] Voice 14: between and the touch on the land is very light the center is just seeking to have zoning as you

[1:54:40] Voice 14: said tim sorry chair peterson to align with the uses that are going on there and really the lent

[1:54:49] Voice 14: you know cannot handle more than what we're doing and so it just matches really nicely

[1:54:55] Voice 14: and we would like to be in compliance with the zoning thank you

[1:55:00] Voice 4: excuse me for rushing out and back i had a doctor's appointment around the corner

[1:55:09] Voice 4: so i've been given a reprieve on that can

[1:55:14] Voice 9: you just state your name for the record yes my name

[1:55:16] Voice 4: is sid filko f-i-l-k-o-w um i was one of the people that found the center and founded the

[1:55:30] Voice 4: Center, going back to 1981. I lived there for 20 years. What I wanted to speak to was

[1:55:42] Voice 4: what's important to the Center is to make itself available to the community, what it teaches,

[1:55:49] Voice 4: what it practices, and if those of us and you who are aware of that Buddhist march that ended up in

[1:55:58] Voice 4: Washington last week. It promotes the same ideals and I think it's important for this

[1:56:06] Voice 4: island to have a center like that which is non-denominational, non-denominational,

[1:56:14] Voice 4: teaches non-violent principles. The school that was founded

[1:56:24] Voice 4: 1981, 1982, I don't know how many students passed through there, 2,000 maybe, since it

[1:56:31] Voice 4: was founded and were taught those ideals and I think the Centre makes a small footprint

[1:56:39] Voice 4: considering the size of the acreage and what it's done and it needs to be able to have

[1:56:46] Voice 4: Have and focus on what abilities, what are going to be the uses that it can have under this new zoning.

[1:56:56] Voice 4: That's crucial.

[1:56:58] Voice 4: It is not a wealthy society.

[1:57:01] Voice 4: It's important that it have the ability to carry on the activities that it has, even to struggle to keep going.

[1:57:12] Voice 4: and again it's a question of

[1:57:16] Voice 4: I think it's been important to the island

[1:57:18] Voice 4: and the whole community that has access to it

[1:57:24] Voice 4: to be able to have a focus for those kind of ideals

[1:57:30] Voice 4: which are a universal love and peace

[1:57:34] Voice 4: and I know those words are thrown out easy these days

[1:57:38] Voice 4: but it genuinely supports that and that's the purpose as well as protecting and preserving

[1:57:46] Voice 4: the property as Rodney has so eloquently set out so again I think please focus on

[1:57:57] Voice 4: the overall purposes of the center and allow it to continue unrestricted that way thank you

[1:58:10] Voice 12: Yes.

[1:58:13] Voice 12: I just noticed that.

[1:58:14] Voice 9: Yeah, I see that too.

[1:58:16] Voice 9: I'm going to try and conclude with the room here.

[1:58:18] Voice 9: We're also going to have to take a break before we go.

[1:58:22] Voice 9: Go ahead.

[1:58:23] Voice 10: My name is Ana Rada Hanna.

[1:58:25] Voice 10: I've been involved with the society since 1973.

[1:58:29] Voice 10: Also a founding member of the Salt Spring Center since 81.

[1:58:33] Voice 10: one. Just to give you a sense of how much we appreciate and honor and love this land. We came

[1:58:43] Voice 10: here hoping to have a community, a yoga community, and soon found out we were an ALR and we couldn't

[1:58:52] Voice 10: have the community we wanted. So we have many people living off land who come and support the

[1:58:59] Voice 10: programs and come on our part of who and what we present there. We worked so closely with the

[1:59:06] Voice 10: building inspector, with the fire marshal. The house was so, it had been abandoned for five years.

[1:59:13] Voice 10: Everything needed to be brought into compliance that allowed us to have public gatherings,

[1:59:20] Voice 10: allowed us to have programs and workshops that helped to sustain the center. And as Sid just

[1:59:28] Voice 10: shared that is our goal that this is also for the local community as well as those who come from

[1:59:35] Voice 10: actually all over the world at different times to be part of the program our biggest program

[1:59:41] Voice 10: was our 52nd annual community retreat this summer so um it's it's a it's a family that's outside of

[1:59:52] Voice 10: this community. We're not a good community.

[1:59:55] Voice 10: And I think we want the same thing. We want to have

[2:00:00] Voice 10: the environment protected we want to preserve what's there in a way i looked at your signs

[2:00:06] Voice 10: when i came in and i went those are great that's what we do you know stewarding preserving

[2:00:13] Voice 10: protecting sustaining that's why we're here and we found our place on the island when we came

[2:00:22] Voice 10: people thought like who the heck are they and what are they going to do here and you know a lot of

[2:00:28] Voice 10: rumors started happening of what possibly could be happening and by working and cleaning up the

[2:00:38] Voice 10: land creating what we created coming and getting our our supplies from the local local businesses

[2:00:46] Voice 10: we made a name for ourselves they're hard workers they have good ethics they pay their bills on time

[2:00:53] Voice 10: so we continue to steward in that way and yes we're not a rich community but we're not going

[2:01:00] Voice 10: down so just thank you for that thank you just

[2:01:07] Voice 9: before i go to the can online is there anyone

[2:01:10] Voice 9: else in the room that like to speak at this time uh he spoke already did not yes i'm going to go

[2:01:21] Voice 9: to a first-time speaker online.

[2:01:22] Voice 16: Okay. Go

[2:01:23] Voice 9: ahead. Darryl Johnick. Mr. Chair, that is the applicant.

[2:01:28] Voice 9: Yeah. That's fine. You have something for us?

[2:01:36] Voice 20: Hello. First, I want to clarify in the public

[2:01:41] Voice 20: hearing binder that was provided, there was an error. This rezoning application was first

[2:01:49] Voice 20: submitted in November of 2023. And at the advice of the planners at the time, we applied for a

[2:01:57] Voice 20: rezoning from agricultural to community facilities. And when I made the application, we were dealing

[2:02:06] Voice 20: with another planner. I've actually dealt with six different planners during the course of this

[2:02:12] Voice 20: application. The planner at the time of application advised that we would have a much smoother,

[2:02:20] Voice 20: easier way of rezoning if we went for a zone variation. So instead of the community facilities,

[2:02:28] Voice 20: the rezoning would go from A2 to A2C with special conditions. And those special conditions

[2:02:35] Voice 20: were what was written in the bylaw 195 land use contract so in my original

[2:02:45] Voice 20: application for what we are working on right now that is the information and

[2:02:50] Voice 20: within that application it includes the concerns regarding protection of the

[2:02:58] Voice 20: the land, the use of the buildings, and all the other environmental concerns are in that

[2:03:06] Voice 20: application, which the public unfortunately has not been able to see. And so there's issues

[2:03:13] Voice 20: like the new building construction in the land use bylaw is stated 15,000 square feet and not

[2:03:21] Voice 20: more than 17 bedrooms for new building construction. That's the limit. And that's

[2:03:27] Voice 20: what is still in the application and in the staff report. Also, use of buildings, the school building

[2:03:35] Voice 20: in the original, it states school building may be used to provide kindergarten, elementary school,

[2:03:42] Voice 20: assembly use, resident, staff, or program participant accommodation, and farm use.

[2:03:47] Voice 20: That is exactly what is in the application and in the proposed bylaw.

[2:03:54] Voice 20: So these issues have all been in there.

[2:03:59] Voice 20: The discussion regarding the cabins by the school, these cabins are built as agritourism cabins, and we have a letter from the Agricultural Land Commission and a letter from the Islands Trust confirming that these are approved additional uses to the land.

[2:04:20] Voice 20: and that's why they're included in this land use contract or sorry that in this zoning

[2:04:27] Voice 20: rezoning application so

[2:04:36] Voice 9: there was someone who wanted to speak for a second time i'm also

[2:04:39] Voice 9: looking at our time we have applications coming up um that one but uh you want to just add

[2:04:47] Voice 9: something here yeah

[2:04:48] Voice 17: i'm some i'm sorry i see someone in the background who's spoken

[2:04:53] Voice 17: I'm going to ask you

[2:04:53] Voice 9: to come up first and then I'll go to the second speaker.

[2:04:58] Voice 24: Thank you, Mr. Chair and the trustees.

[2:05:01] Voice 24: My name is Girija Edwards.

[2:05:09] Voice 24: I'm adopted

[2:05:11] Voice 25: on the traditional territories of the Heltzik and the Namgish First Nations.

[2:05:22] Voice 25: And I speak on behalf of the late Chief Ed Newman from Heiltsuk Territory, that when we come into another person's territory, as I'm on this unceded territory here, we think that we can stand on this territory as a united First Nations of the coastal peoples.

[2:05:48] Voice 25: I have been also a founding member of the Salt Spring Center of Yoga and the Dharmasara Society for 54 years.

[2:06:00] Voice 25: and what i hear here today is that we are here not to ruin or to have a misuse of lands and

[2:06:14] Voice 25: excess sewage on this piece of property that we have very carefully crafted to make sure

[2:06:22] Voice 25: that we are remaining as these stewards preserving protecting and sustaining as the

[2:06:28] Voice 25: islands trust motto is saying and stating the use of this land and the support to bring basically

[2:06:41] Voice 25: peace and concern for humanity has been incredibly profound not only for the people that have come

[2:06:51] Voice 25: from all over the world to spend time here but i have taken what i have learned from

[2:06:57] Voice 25: the Salt Spring Centre and our community there to many First Nations up and down this coast

[2:07:05] Voice 25: having taught things as meditation, traditional medicines and what have you that I have learned

[2:07:12] Voice 25: from my mentors up and down the coast of the Kwakwaka'wahu up to the Heiltsuk territory and

[2:07:19] Voice 25: all through the territories of the Kwakwaka'wahu, Kwakwala speaking peoples. They are looking

[2:07:26] Voice 25: forward in fact to coming here because I have spoken so much about this

[2:07:30] Voice 25: territory they themselves who are also going through their abilities to try and

[2:07:36] Voice 25: get back to their their their ways their traditions and this is keeping in the

[2:07:43] Voice 25: ways and traditions that the Salt Spring Centre has tried to maintain and I know

[2:07:47] Voice 25: that they in future are going to come to this territory and really be enhanced

[2:07:55] Voice 25: and be quite welcomed here from what people are doing at the Salt Spring Center.

[2:08:00] Voice 25: And I have definitely taken that message up and down the coast

[2:08:04] Voice 25: with the different territories of the First Nations people

[2:08:08] Voice 25: from this area here, from the Hamilkameen

[2:08:13] Voice 25: and the different Cowichan First Nations people

[2:08:20] Voice 25: of whom I have spoken on quite a number of occasions

[2:08:24] Voice 25: set to understand what they are doing on this territory right here so i just want to say that

[2:08:31] Voice 25: moving forward i hope that we can entrust in your abilities to see that this is not

[2:08:39] Voice 25: a property that is going to be abusive and and not take away from what we are trying to do here

[2:08:48] Voice 25: and just maintain the level of humanity and respect for one another on this planet today

[2:08:52] Voice 25: day. Thank you.

[2:08:55] Voice 9: Okay, I know there's two second time speakers for your point of

[2:09:01] Voice 14: order. Are people allowed to speak?

[2:09:03] Voice 9: Yes, yes, we are.

[2:09:08] Voice 9: But considering the timing, we've asked

[2:09:11] Voice 9: to clarify the requirements here is the speakers can speak, but

[2:09:23] Voice 9: but only if they are presenting new information so they're repeating something that was previously

[2:09:28] Voice 9: conveyed or reiterating yeah thanks for adding that clarification yeah so new information we

[2:09:36] Voice 23: heard about the shale mound and they said it was removed from the alar but if you look at the

[2:09:41] Voice 23: other stuff maps i see nothing showing that ever a piece of land is removed out of this property

[2:09:47] Voice 23: under the a2 so could we please have that checked out to see if it actually was removed i think

[2:09:54] Voice 23: I think it says it is somewhere up the acreage size.

[2:10:00] Voice 23: Maybe some other paper over there.

[2:10:05] Voice 23: Yeah, 3.24 hectares or eight acres.

[2:10:13] Voice 23: And also Joe Johnny mentioned that

[2:10:16] Voice 23: because that was what the original bylaw 195

[2:10:20] Voice 23: had was that piece of shale mound in there.

[2:10:22] Voice 23: That's what they had.

[2:10:24] Voice 23: If you look at the map, in the bylaw 195,

[2:10:27] Voice 23: class you'll see it wasn't the whole property from my understanding from

[2:10:33] Voice 23: patino that it's now you have to do the whole bylaw has to cover the whole property not just

[2:10:40] Voice 23: a piece of it oh

[2:10:42] Voice 17: and i'm sorry i

[2:10:43] Voice 9: just for my minute kicker i need you to uh announce your

[2:10:46] Voice 9: name again oh

[2:10:47] Voice 23: wait here i'm sorry my apologies wait and it's atw so could we please um confirm

[2:10:56] Voice 23: that because if that's correct, it makes quite a difference of when you're dealing with the

[2:11:03] Voice 23: land use by-law, the land use by-law 195 and now the new by-law covering all of the land.

[2:11:11] Voice 23: Because the concern we have is not the people that are running it, because the people that

[2:11:15] Voice 23: are running it, a lot of these people here are my friends and

[2:11:18] Voice 1: they have done a good job

[2:11:19] Voice 23: of running the Salt Spring Centre. I wasn't saying that. If it changes hands, you've seen

[2:11:24] Voice 23: what happened with different properties on

[2:11:26] Voice 9: the island okay

[2:11:27] Voice 23: and

[2:11:28] Voice 9: and really as and so anyway

[2:11:33] Voice 23: can we get that clarified those two perspectives

[2:11:36] Voice 9: i'm actually very concerned about the time now

[2:11:39] Voice 9: and thinking we need to consider adjourning for the time we need we

[2:11:44] Voice 16: need

[2:11:46] Voice 9: to i'm hearing you but

[2:11:48] Voice 9: we may need to adjourn because we need to take a break for our staff and for ourselves we have

[2:11:53] Voice 9: have applications coming and there's an expectation for a time on that so i believe we're going to

[2:11:58] Voice 9: need to consider adjourning and coming back at a specific time today so 1 30 i think would be fine

[2:12:03] Voice 9: 1 30 yeah i think that you need to do that by

[2:12:06] Voice 9: resolution yeah just uh advise that um i don't

[2:12:11] Voice 19: chair peterson yes

[2:12:13] Voice 9: just a moment i

[2:12:15] Voice 19: believe you need to recess the public hearing and not

[2:12:17] Voice 19: yes i

[2:12:19] Voice 9: think the term is adjournment i know it sounds like the end of the meeting right

[2:12:22] Voice 9: not to conclude but to adjourn this meeting to 1 30.

[2:12:29] Voice 15: i think that we adjourn the public hearing until 1 30 today okay

[2:12:37] Voice 9: thank you for that and i'm going

[2:12:41] Voice 9: to second the motion any discussion not hearing any i'll call the question all those in favor

[2:12:47] Voice 9: the public hearings adjourned until 1 30 today and i'm also going to um call a recess till 12

[2:12:57] Voice 9: so that we can all take a break get some refreshment and then we have

[2:13:02] Voice 9: applications and referrals coming up at 12. so we

[2:13:07] Voice 16: are recessed thank you

[2:29:12] Voice 16: call

[2:29:13] Voice 2: the meeting back to order hey

[2:29:19] Voice 9: so uh we're going to move to section 14 now

[2:29:23] Voice 9: this is application 14.1 it's been strong today as well as 15.5 15.2 should be deferred

[2:29:35] Voice 9: fill out the public hearing so let's go to uh 14.3 which one for king's lane and that is in the

[2:29:49] Voice 9: addendum on page eight yes transfer over

[2:30:00] Voice 9: And who's going to be presenting this one, sir?

[2:30:02] Voice 9: Mr. Pacino.

[2:30:11] Voice 17: Welcome

[2:30:14] Voice 1: back, everyone.

[2:30:16] Voice 1: So if I'm understanding, we're going to 154 Kings Lane?

[2:30:20] Voice 17: Correct.

[2:30:21] Voice 1: Okay, sure.

[2:30:23] Voice 1: I'm just going to pull my materials here.

[2:30:27] Voice 1: All right, so this staff report presents

[2:30:30] Voice 1: presents SSI Housing Agreement By-law 550 for adoption following Executive Committee approval

[2:30:37] Voice 1: of By-law 549 and 550 at its January 14th regular meeting. The adoption of By-law 549 is contingent

[2:30:45] Voice 1: on the adoption of By-law 550 and registration on title of the housing agreement and section

[2:30:52] Voice 1: 219 covenant. The application is to amend the SS Land Use By-law to permit 50 units of affordable

[2:30:59] Voice 1: affordable housing, daycare center, and reduced lot size for subdivision at 154 Kings Lane Road

[2:31:05] Voice 1: and has been presented to LTC numerous times, read at first, second, and third readings.

[2:31:11] Voice 1: Referral to multiple agencies, First Nations, APC, and AAPC have been completed.

[2:31:18] Voice 1: Staff therefore recommends that Housing Agreement By-law 550 be adopted

[2:31:23] Voice 1: and the LTC designate any member of the committee to sign the Section 219 Covenant

[2:31:29] Voice 1: if this recommendation recommendation is accepted the proposed bylaw 549 will return to the ltc at

[2:31:35] Voice 1: a future meeting for adoption once all outstanding conditions have been satisfied okay thank you

[2:31:46] Voice 16: sorry

[2:31:49] Voice 1: about that i sorry

[2:32:15] Voice 5: was there something further um

[2:32:18] Voice 1: so sorry i had um i had something

[2:32:22] Voice 1: else in front of me so yes the record so the uh we have five five recommendations on this

[2:32:27] Voice 1: staff reports i'll read them out so um everybody's aware that the salt spring island local trust

[2:32:34] Voice 1: committee support the discharge of housing agreement in section 219 covenant ca-798-2286

[2:32:41] Voice 1: from lot 2 section 4 range 3 east north salt spring island cowichan district plan 23507 and

[2:32:49] Voice 1: designate any member of the salt spring island local trust committee to sign the covenant

[2:32:52] Voice 1: be authorized to provide necessary signatures for the discharge recommendation number two that the

[2:32:58] Voice 1: salt spring island local trust committee accept a covenant under section 219 of the land titles act

[2:33:03] Voice 1: from the registered owners of pid 003 106 756 lot 2 section 4 range 3 east north salt salt spring

[2:33:13] Voice 1: island couch and district plan 23507 which is attachment 2 of the staff report containing a

[2:33:21] Voice 1: housing agreement bylaw and designate any member of the salt spring island local trust committee

[2:33:25] Voice 1: to sign the covenant recommendation number three that the salt spring island local trust committee

[2:33:30] Voice 1: bylaw 550 cited as salt spring island housing agreement bylaw number 550 2025

[2:33:39] Voice 1: uh be adopted recommendation number four that the salt spring island local trust committee accept

[2:33:44] Voice 1: a covenant under section 219 of the land titles act from the registered owners and the sale first

[2:33:52] Voice 1: First Nation and designate any member of the Salt Spring

[2:33:57] Voice 1: Island Local Trust Committee to sign the covenant. And finally, recommendation number

[2:34:01] Voice 1: five, that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee By-law 549, cited

[2:34:05] Voice 1: as Salt Spring Island Land Use By-law 1999, Amendment Number 5, 2025,

[2:34:09] Voice 1: be adopted.

[2:34:13] Voice 9: Thank you. And

[2:34:15] Voice 9: there's some representatives from the application here. Anything to add today?

[2:34:21] Voice 12: No, so I'm just hoping to bring this thingy on.

[2:34:26] Voice 12: So,

[2:34:26] Voice 9: trustees, any questions or comments before we get into the recommendations?

[2:34:32] Voice 15: No, I have no questions.

[2:34:34] Voice 15: I'm glad the solutions and all the parties have been identified in the right places,

[2:34:38] Voice 15: so I'm pleased to carry on.

[2:34:42] Voice 9: All right.

[2:34:46] Voice 9: Let's proceed with the recommendations then.

[2:34:49] Voice 12: Do I have to read them?

[2:34:51] Voice 15: Yes, yes, we do.

[2:34:52] Voice 15: Anthony just read them.

[2:34:54] Voice 15: Okay.

[2:34:54] Voice 15: Okay.

[2:34:56] Voice 15: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[2:34:59] Voice 15: support the discharge of housing agreement

[2:35:01] Voice 15: and section 219 covenant CA7982286

[2:35:07] Voice 15: from block two, section four, range three east,

[2:35:10] Voice 15: North Salt Spring Island Cowichan District Plan 23507,

[2:35:15] Voice 15: designate any member of the Salt Spring Island

[2:35:19] Voice 15: Local Trust Committee to sign the covenant

[2:35:21] Voice 15: it but be authorized to provide necessary signatures from discharge moved into our

[2:35:27] Voice 9: seconder i'll go ahead and second the motion and any discussion uh trustee harris

[2:35:42] Voice 8: oh

[2:35:42] Voice 6: maybe you were deceptive okay

[2:35:44] Voice 17: um

[2:35:45] Voice 9: so

[2:35:46] Voice 17: any discussion not hearing any i'll call the question

[2:35:50] Voice 9: all those in favor and all for any opposed although i saw unanimous in favor so carries

[2:36:04] Voice 9: and second recommendation that

[2:36:11] Voice 15: the salt spring island local trust committee accepted covenant

[2:36:14] Voice 15: under section 219 of the land title act from the registered owners of the registered owners of i

[2:36:27] Voice 15: can see there's a parenthesis in a funny place there um all right i'll just read it out i guess

[2:36:33] Voice 15: pid of zero zero threes parentheses uh one oh six seven five six lot two section four range three

[2:36:44] Voice 15: east north salt spring island college and district plan two three five zero seven attachment

[2:36:52] Voice 15: we have some parenthesis issues here attachment two of this stock report um dated february 12

[2:37:00] Voice 15: to 2026. So we'll fix all those crazy parentheses that are in the wrong places. Containing a housing

[2:37:07] Voice 15: agreement bylaw and designate any member of the Salt Spring High Local Trust Committee

[2:37:12] Voice 15: to sign the government.

[2:37:14] Voice 9: Moved. Do I have a seconder? I can see that the online is a little slow

[2:37:22] Voice 9: there for Trustee Harris. So give him a moment if you'd like to second. I'll just speed things up

[2:37:33] Voice 9: here. I'll go ahead and make this a second of motion myself and I'll look for any discussion.

[2:37:40] Voice 9: Not seeing any, I'll call the question.

[2:37:43] Voice 9: All those in favor?

[2:37:44] Voice 9: And that is unanimous vote in favor as well.

[2:37:50] Voice 9: So that carries.

[2:37:51] Voice 15: I move that the Salt Spring Animal Health Trust Committee

[2:37:54] Voice 15: bylaw number 550,

[2:37:55] Voice 15: sign of the Salt Spring Island Housing Agreement

[2:37:58] Voice 15: bylaw number 550, 2025,

[2:38:01] Voice 15: proposed bylaw number 550,

[2:38:04] Voice 15: attachment three of the staff report

[2:38:07] Voice 15: dated February 12th, 2026 to be adopted.

[2:38:11] Voice 17: bill i'll second the motion um any discussion about

[2:38:17] Voice 9: seeing any i'll call the question all

[2:38:19] Voice 9: those in favor that is also unanimously in favor so that's curious i know the

[2:38:27] Voice 15: salt spring island local trust committee accept the covenant under section 219

[2:38:31] Voice 15: of the land title act from the registered owners of

[2:38:39] Voice 15: of PIT-003-106-756 Block 2, Section 4, Range 3,

[2:38:50] Voice 15: East-North Salt Spring Island Cowichan District,

[2:38:53] Voice 15: Plan 23507.

[2:38:56] Voice 15: And say of First Nation,

[2:38:58] Voice 15: attachment four of this staff report

[2:39:00] Voice 15: dated February 12th, 2026,

[2:39:02] Voice 15: and designate any member of the Salt Spring Island

[2:39:04] Voice 15: Local Trust Committee to sign the covenant.

[2:39:06] Voice 15: it

[2:39:07] Voice 9: moves i'll second the motion and i look for any discussion not seeing any i'll call the question

[2:39:14] Voice 9: all those in favor that is also carried unanimously and finding the nice short one i'm

[2:39:23] Voice 15: event the salt

[2:39:24] Voice 15: spring island local trust committee bylaw number 549 cited as salt spring island planning's bylaw

[2:39:29] Voice 15: number 199 amendment number 5 2025 be

[2:39:33] Voice 9: adopted i'll second the motion and i'll look for any discussion

[2:39:39] Voice 9: I'm not seeing any. I'll call the question. All those in favor, and that also carries

[2:39:45] Voice 9: unanimously. Thank you. I don't think there's anything further on this today. Thank you

[2:39:53] Voice 5: very much. Thank

[2:39:54] Voice 15: you very much. Thank you, staff. Go forth and find money to build. Thanks

[2:40:01] Voice 15: so much.

[2:40:03] Voice 12: Maybe that's easy.

[2:40:04] Voice 16: Yeah. Thanks,

[2:40:07] Voice 9: Scott. Okay, so we're going back to the main

[2:40:10] Voice 9: agenda at 14.4, starting on page 336. We have the resuming, and is this also Mr. Fertino?

[2:40:30] Voice 9: Through

[2:40:32] Voice 1: the chair, should we be doing 14.4 Atkins Road?

[2:40:37] Voice 1: Yes.

[2:40:37] Voice 17: Oh, sorry.

[2:40:38] Voice 1: Okay, so 309, page 309. No worries. It's hard to jump back and forth sometimes.

[2:40:45] Voice 1: times um so whenever you guys are ready i can i can present this one i

[2:40:53] Voice 9: think i might have a

[2:40:54] Voice 9: slightly different numbering here okay sure uh atkins road yeah see i have it on three i have

[2:41:03] Voice 9: it up as page 336 so uh so

[2:41:15] Voice 12: go ahead sir sure

[2:41:16] Voice 2: uh

[2:41:17] Voice 1: so the staff report presents an application to

[2:41:22] Voice 1: amend the salt spring land use bylaw to bring into compliance the existing use on the subject

[2:41:27] Voice 1: property at 104 Atkins Road, previously authorized through a land use contract,

[2:41:31] Voice 1: LUC 10, which expired in June 2024. The subject property is currently zoned rural. The existing

[2:41:38] Voice 1: uses according to land use bylaw 355 are not permitted, but were permitted under the

[2:41:45] Voice 1: existing land use contract that expired in 2024. Upon expiration of the land use contract,

[2:41:50] Voice 1: the subject property became legal non-conforming. The property owners decided to bring the property

[2:41:55] Voice 1: into compliance through a land use bylaw amendment which is this application our recommendation on

[2:42:03] Voice 1: this is that the salt spring island local trust committee request staff to proceed with processing

[2:42:06] Voice 1: application ss-rz-2023.1 and recommendation number two that the salt spring island local

[2:42:14] Voice 1: trust committee request staff to prepare a draft bylaw to amend salt spring island land use bylaw

[2:42:18] Voice 1: number 355 1999 to rezone lot a section four range to east north salt spring island couch

[2:42:26] Voice 1: and district plan 3367 from rural to commercial one c1 okay

[2:42:35] Voice 6: do you like to add anything today

[2:42:40] Voice 6: i think

[2:42:46] Voice 5: I am Chris Schma. Pleasure to meet you all today, Mr. Chairman. I think that is fairly

[2:42:56] Voice 5: complete and concise. Hopefully the process will go forward fairly easily. We're just

[2:43:03] Voice 5: seeking to bring the facilities that Marlboro-Atkins wrote into compliance with zoning so that

[2:43:09] Voice 5: we can be able to sustain any kind of problems that might arise from being completely outside

[2:43:15] Voice 5: the zoning that we used to have under the agreement so um i don't really have anything

[2:43:23] Voice 5: to say except to answer questions if you haven't

[2:43:25] Voice 9: okay thank you so trustees any questions for a

[2:43:29] Voice 9: planner or applicant

[2:43:32] Voice 15: oh well this is this is another land use contract known for a long time

[2:43:39] Voice 15: the expirations were coming and i think it is important to you know to move as quickly as we

[2:43:46] Voice 15: can to accomplish this result

[2:43:48] Voice 12: okay

[2:43:52] Voice 16: anything else seeing

[2:43:58] Voice 9: any i'll entertain a motion first

[2:44:01] Voice 9: resolution i

[2:44:02] Voice 15: move the salt spring island local trust committee request staff proceed with

[2:44:06] Voice 15: processing application ss r z 2023.1

[2:44:10] Voice 9: seconded and any discussion not seeing any i'll call the

[2:44:17] Voice 9: question all those in favor and that carries unanimously i

[2:44:23] Voice 15: move that salt spring island local

[2:44:25] Voice 15: trust committee request staff to prepare a draft bylaw to amend salt spring island land use file

[2:44:30] Voice 15: number 355 1999 at least on lot a section four range to east north salt spring island cowichan

[2:44:38] Voice 15: district plan three three six seven from rural to commercial one well

[2:44:44] Voice 9: i'll second the motion

[2:44:45] Voice 9: any discussion or me not seeing any i'll call the question all those in favor

[2:44:54] Voice 9: and that carries unanimously as well just

[2:44:58] Voice 15: donald i don't know why but when we did the general

[2:45:01] Voice 15: all the industrial land project why that wasn't caught back years ago anyway thank you i'm sorry

[2:45:13] Voice 15: thank you

[2:45:13] Voice 9: okay so that was completed uh 4.5 and 4.1 have been withdrawn 4.2 we will be considering

[2:45:23] after the

[2:45:24] Voice 9: reduction of the after the closing of the public hearing so we did skip over a couple

[2:45:32] Voice 9: of things so i'm going to recommend that we go back to 10 point you

[2:45:36] Voice 5: didn't want to do

[2:45:37] Voice 9: sorry

[2:45:38] Voice 9: Sorry. Oh,

[2:45:38] Voice 15: 14.6.

[2:45:40] Voice 9: Oh, pardon me. Down beyond the fold.

[2:45:45] Voice 9: Yes, let's do 14.6. That's my page 375.

[2:45:51] Voice 9: I suspected a good page for you.

[2:45:53] Voice 12: 14.48.

[2:46:00] Voice 9: Okay. And Mr. Fotino, is this you again, sir?

[2:46:08] Voice 1: Yes, it is. I'm just pulling it up here.

[2:46:11] Voice 1: 3.48.

[2:46:17] Voice 1: Okay, so the purpose of this staff memo is to provide Salt Spring Island

[2:46:21] Voice 1: island local trust committee with information on an agricultural land reserve exclusion request

[2:46:25] Voice 1: and seek direction from the ltc on how to proceed with the request um sorry i'm just gonna pull up

[2:46:34] Voice 1: some other notes here here there we go uh the property owner has made a request through staff

[2:46:42] Voice 1: for the ltc to consider submitting an alr exclusion application to the agricultural land commission

[2:46:47] Voice 1: In accordance with the Agricultural Land Commission Act, exclusion applications may only be submitted by the province, local governments, First Nation governments, and other prescribed bodies who own land under the application pursuant to Section 29.1a of the ALC Act.

[2:47:06] Voice 1: However, local governments and First Nation governments may also make exclusion applications for land they do not own within their jurisdiction.

[2:47:14] Voice 1: jurisdiction. If the LTC decides to proceed with this application, the Islands Trust will be the

[2:47:21] Voice 1: owner of the application and Islands Trust will pay ALC. The ALC requested $750 upon the application

[2:47:29] Voice 1: submission. This fee will need to be collected from the property owner. The LTC will also direct

[2:47:34] Voice 1: staff to enter into a cost recover agreement with the property owner in order to recover all costs

[2:47:38] Voice 1: associated with the application. The staff's recommendation at the time is that the Salt

[2:47:47] Voice 1: Spring Island Local Trust Committee requests the property owner to provide the following

[2:47:50] Voice 1: information for staff analysis, which would be the justification for the proposed ALR

[2:47:55] Voice 1: exclusion request, a servicing requirement plan, which includes water and sewer for the

[2:48:02] Voice 1: proposed development, and an agricultural capability assessment of the property to determine

[2:48:07] Voice 1: that the proposed development will not reduce the farming capabilities of the property.

[2:48:12] Voice 1: We also have provided an alternative recommendation in the report as well, if LTC decides to use that.

[2:48:24] Voice 9: Okay, thank you. And we have the applicant with us today, I guess not.

[2:48:30] Voice 9: Doesn't look like it. So, trustees, any questions or comments at this time?

[2:48:36] Voice 9: Oh, my

[2:48:40] Voice 15: only question, I mean, I understand we need this information to get to work toward a successful result from the ALC requires a strong submission from the Senate.

[2:49:00] Voice 15: um if the applicant is not wanting to spend the money on the reports um the only thing i could

[2:49:13] Voice 15: potentially suggest is a phased approach of going to our advisory planning commission for an early

[2:49:19] Voice 15: sort of referral of what do they think um because if our advisory planning commission

[2:49:27] Voice 15: isn't going to support the application then that's not a strong submission forward to the alc

[2:49:33] Voice 15: see so you know we can go this route and have them do the reports and we get a report we would then

[2:49:42] Voice 15: refer it to the

[2:49:43] Voice 15: AAPC because we that's important to have the AAPC's position

[2:49:52] Voice 15: or we could request to have an early referral we could still request today that they do these

[2:50:04] Voice 15: I don't have a

[2:50:21] Voice 9: strong opinion on it. I mean, an early referral is not it may be better to go to a PC or a PC with the with the with the report over that report is really prepared by professional in it. So it's information. It's not for

[2:50:40] where you were critiqued, right?

[2:50:42] Just for the provide clarity of

[2:50:44] Voice 9: the situation at site.

[2:50:48] Voice 9: So, I apologize, I'm not a little,

[2:50:52] Voice 9: I'm not off my head in terms of the terms.

[2:50:54] Voice 9: We can take a look at the terms of reference.

[2:50:58] Voice 9: It may be good to just have the AAPC early

[2:51:02] Voice 9: so that they're aware of the,

[2:51:05] Voice 9: that the app can just, the applications come forward

[2:51:10] Voice 9: there's nothing else just for the notification, the opportunity to understand it in the time that you're offering it on.

[2:51:20] Voice 9: So if I'm hearing you right, then that would be sending it to the AAPC for information as opposed to a referral at this point?

[2:51:32] Voice 9: I think it would be for feedback. I mean, LTC also has the option of simply sending it to the AAPC for recommendation.

[2:51:44] Voice 9: The purpose of going to the AAPC is to get their impact in the culture

[2:51:53] Voice 12: and industry perspective.

[2:51:57] Voice 15: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking is just sort of important to get their initial reaction.

[2:52:06] Voice 15: You know, is this what they're satisfied with? Will these reports satisfy their expectations?

[2:52:13] Voice 15: But if they don't think we should proceed, I'd rather hear that sooner than later, too.

[2:52:21] Voice 15: Because that would then potentially affect our decision to proceed, if that was true.

[2:52:26] Voice 15: Because I just know we need to put forward a strong application.

[2:52:30] Voice 15: And I'd like to put this applicant in as strong a place as possible.

[2:52:36] Voice 15: Mr. Pitino?

[2:52:39] Voice 1: Through the Chair, yes.

[2:52:41] Voice 1: Just to echo what Trustee Patrick said.

[2:52:44] Voice 1: said we we have one shot at this and we need a strong application um my understanding is that the

[2:52:50] Voice 1: the planner on this file um has asked the applicants for um what we've specified in

[2:52:58] Voice 1: the recommendation and she hasn't been able to obtain those uh materials so i feel like at this

[2:53:09] Voice 1: time a resolution by the LTC requesting that is the way we reach that strong application.

[2:53:19] Voice 1: I think that we could notify the APC of the application in its current form, but not refer

[2:53:31] Voice 1: it to them.

[2:53:37] Voice 15: Oh, just notify them?

[2:53:39] Voice 1: Just a notification, yes.

[2:53:40] Voice 1: I

[2:53:44] Voice 9: mean, a notification wouldn't necessarily preclude them responding in some form.

[2:54:03] Voice 16: Yeah.

[2:54:05] Voice 16: I

[2:54:08] Voice 15: mean, I don't want to make them meet if that's not valuable, but I just think that getting their early indication would just be something for this applicant to consider because it's important.

[2:54:25] Voice 15: And I would hope the applicant could go and give a presentation to

[2:54:31] Voice 15: the AAPC, get them

[2:54:32] Voice 15: interested and hear from them.

[2:54:41] Voice 15: I'm not hearing enthusiasm from staff, so I don't know what to do.

[2:54:47] Voice 9: Well, if you want to make it a referral, we can still do that.

[2:54:54] It's really what is LTC.

[2:54:56] see i mean i think it's worth um do you want the input of aapc i probably shouldn't put it that way

[2:55:05] um how do you how do you want aapc to be involved and provide their advice right so

[2:55:12] if you feel that they their input on this proposal would be of value to you before asking the

[2:55:19] applicant to you know there are potential like serious potential costs of course that we recognize

[2:55:24] that would be involved, so if AAPC opinion and understanding of what the support for

[2:55:31] this would be, at least locally, we don't know what the ALC will say ultimately, but

[2:55:38] if that's a value to LTC,

[2:55:40] Voice 9: then it may be best to refer this to the AAPC for now and do that

[2:55:44] Voice 9: before action.

[2:55:53] Voice 17: Okay, Trustee Harris, anything at this

[2:55:56] Voice 6: point you'd like to add?

[2:56:01] Voice 13: No, nothing to add.

[2:56:02] Voice 13: Thank you.

[2:56:04] Voice 9: Okay, thank you. So I'm willing to entertain a motion.

[2:56:08] Voice 15: Lisa, bear with me here, I guess, for staff's advice.

[2:56:12] Voice 15: I just move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee refer

[2:56:19] Voice 15: the file number.

[2:56:21] Voice 15: The staff, I guess it's the staff report

[2:56:26] Voice 15: for agenda item

[2:56:31] Voice 15: 14.6 to the

[2:56:36] Voice 15: Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission

[2:56:38] Voice 15: for like we need to give them instructions for feedback or for indication of our yeah for

[2:56:55] Voice 15: feedback on the proposal and i think the requested reports just then

[2:57:03] Voice 15: yeah so the proposal and the requested um information

[2:57:15] Voice 9: And I'll just check in with Lisa Mallard and see if you captured that.

[2:57:26] Voice 19: I did, Chair Peterson.

[2:57:27] Voice 19: I have that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee refer the staff report for agenda

[2:57:35] Voice 19: item 14.6 of the February 12th, 2026 meeting to the Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission

[2:57:44] Voice 19: for feedback on the proposal and the requested information.

[2:57:49] Voice 17: So moved. And I

[2:57:52] Voice 9: will second it. And I'll look for any further discussion.

[2:58:00] Voice 15: For discussion purposes, I think it's important to understand that we're, you know, the local trust committee would like to put this application in the best possible position to go forward to the ALC.

[2:58:17] Voice 15: yeah understood

[2:58:18] Voice 12: um

[2:58:21] Voice 9: all right then i will call the question all those in favor

[2:58:29] Voice 9: and that carries unanimously so that brings us to 14.7 which is a referral heard me from

[2:58:38] Voice 9: maine island local trust committee and who's leading this one um

[2:59:05] Voice 15: This is the BC Ferry Terminal, which

[2:59:12] Voice 17: work is currently underway, I can tell you, because I was by there on Tuesday.

[2:59:18] Voice 17: day um

[2:59:19] Voice 15: so where is it that the salt spring island local trust committee uh recommend to the main

[2:59:34] Voice 15: island

[2:59:35] Voice 12: let's respond to

[2:59:37] Voice 15: the main island where

[2:59:38] Voice 15: is the where is the

[2:59:39] Voice 12: i've got this here oh it's the

[2:59:41] Voice 12: first one i

[2:59:42] Voice 15: know that the salt spring island local trust uh committee respond to the main island

[2:59:45] Voice 15: local trust committee that interests are unaffected by bylaw number 200.

[2:59:51] Voice 9: moved i'll second the motion any discussion not hearing any i'll call the question all those in

[2:59:59] Voice 9: favor

[3:00:01] Voice 9: And that carries unanimously.

[3:00:07] Voice 16: Okay.

[3:00:09] Voice 16: And that

[3:00:14] Voice 9: now concludes that section.

[3:00:16] Voice 9: So let's double back to 10.2, which is the meeting schedule update.

[3:00:30] Voice 9: This is about the first LTC meeting of the term.

[3:00:36] Voice 9: And all of the local trust committees are being requested to change their first meeting to electronic.

[3:00:43] Voice 9: chronic due to the sheer number of meetings

[3:00:48] Voice 9: in that short period of time.

[3:00:50] Voice 9: And we don't know who will be on executive committee

[3:00:54] Voice 9: and what their travel commitments might look like.

[3:00:57] Voice 9: So we're trying to make it as straightforward as possible

[3:01:01] Voice 9: for whoever those folks might be.

[3:01:06] Voice 15: I move that the Salisbury Island Local Trust Committee

[3:01:08] Voice 15: request staff change the 9 30 AM, November 19, 2026

[3:01:12] Voice 15: six ltc in-person meeting to an electronic meeting for the viewing location of the salt

[3:01:18] Voice 15: spring island office of the islands trust located at 4 121 mcphillips avenue salt spring island

[3:01:26] Voice 9: okay and i'll second the motion any discussion not seeing any i'll call the question all those

[3:01:35] Voice 9: in favor that carries unanimously and that takes us to 10.3 islands trust policy statement uh bylaw

[3:01:51] Voice 9: number 183 referral don't

[3:01:57] Voice 12: know that we have anyone jason's just listening we do have uh

[3:02:04] Voice 9: mr yeomans with us but i think we all understand uh what this is about so unless there's any

[3:02:12] Voice 9: any specific questions, we can just go ahead and what I'll do is I'll go to Trustee Harris

[3:02:21] Voice 9: first and see if you'd like to share any thoughts on this memorandum. The cited number is incorrect

[3:02:39] Voice 9: in a couple of several spots, which should be bylaw 183, not 187. So that, for example,

[3:02:48] Voice 9: the draft resolutions are all citing 187, citing 183s.

[3:02:53] Voice 9: Just wanted to point that out.

[3:02:56] Voice 17: Trustee Harris, your thoughts.

[3:02:59] Voice 13: Nothing to share at this moment.

[3:03:01] Voice 17: Okay, thank you.

[3:03:03] Voice 17: Trustee Patrick.

[3:03:08] Voice 15: Sure, I think I'm just gonna start with,

[3:03:10] Voice 15: I think that this draft version of the policy statement

[3:03:14] Voice 15: has been a project that's been underway since 2019.

[3:03:19] Voice 15: This developed primarily by our dedicated staff

[3:03:23] Voice 15: of the Islands Trust, along with meaningful input

[3:03:25] Voice 15: from the First Nations, to strengthen further

[3:03:28] Voice 15: by input from the 26-member Trust Council Board.

[3:03:32] Voice 15: It reflects good faith, careful consideration,

[3:03:35] Voice 15: and shared desire to serve

[3:03:36] Voice 15: our island communities responsibly.

[3:03:39] Voice 15: There are no hidden agendas here,

[3:03:40] Voice 15: only part of sometimes a glamorous work

[3:03:43] Voice 15: of people trying to get this done.

[3:03:46] Voice 15: done. I really, really encourage everyone to read the policy for yourselves. And I think

[3:03:58] Voice 15: it's important to read it. To prepare for today, I can tell you, I read every piece

[3:04:06] Voice 15: of correspondence that we've received at the Islands Trust and paid particular attention

[3:04:11] Voice 15: to those sent in by Salt Springers and Peers Islanders.

[3:04:17] Voice 15: I will note there were some.

[3:04:22] Voice 15: I'm really grateful for those that took the time

[3:04:26] Voice 15: to provide their comments and particularly grateful

[3:04:28] Voice 15: for those who really provided detailed comments.

[3:04:36] Voice 15: So I wanna know that as I went through the documents,

[3:04:43] Voice 15: I really worked hard to also apply sort of our lessons learned here, I guess you could say, at the Salt Spring Local Trust Committee in terms of pulling together my thoughts.

[3:05:02] Voice 15: So I can go through. I do have a number of recommendations that I think are worth putting forward.

[3:05:18] Voice 15: I think the document should proceed and like I said I have a number of recommendations

[3:05:23] Voice 15: I'm happy to read through them and then we can either discuss them separately if there's

[3:05:29] Voice 15: interest.

[3:05:32] Voice 15: So the first item I would recommend that we clarify the improved wording and our definitions

[3:05:41] Voice 15: that the preservation and protection of the natural terrestrial and marine environment

[3:05:46] Voice 15: is the central there's been so much conversations about what environment means i think just

[3:05:51] Voice 15: we all know it means natural environment so it needs to just clarify that um the second item

[3:05:58] Voice 15: is i think there should be a new guiding principle that explicitly addresses climate change

[3:06:03] Voice 15: including climate risk adaptation mitigation and long-term community and ecosystem resilience

[3:06:08] Voice 15: Third item is, I think, under the guiding principle for the cumulative impacts, I think we should acknowledge that cumulative impacts of both development and climate change on forest health and explicitly include forests within guiding principle 216.

[3:06:28] Voice 15: On the fourth comment I have is we should strengthen and articulate the interdependencies among goals three, four, and five, particularly with respect to environmental protection, but also reconciliation, climate resilience, and long-term sustainability.

[3:06:51] Voice 15: I'm not saying how staff can fix that.

[3:06:54] Voice 15: It could just be an introductory paragraph that just mentions that these goals don't exist independently.

[3:06:59] Voice 15: The fifth one is to expand goal three, preserve, protect, healthy, bioverse ecosystems and associated policies to move beyond the identification of protection alone and include ecosystem restoration and enhancement while accounting for current and future climate change impacts.

[3:07:18] Voice 15: In policy 336, the marine coastal ecosystems need to recognize the trust area is more than 1300 kilometers of marine shoreline in the near shore environments, including a broader range of ecosystems than those listed.

[3:07:34] Voice 15: I think that they could just include a phrase of like included but not limited to in that policy to ensure comprehensive protection.

[3:07:49] Voice 15: For Salt Springs Pacific, we could talk about, you know, there's rock beaches, there's all kinds of, there's sand beaches, rock beaches, there's every kind of beach you could imagine, or shoreline.

[3:08:03] Voice 15: The seventh item, I think we should strengthen the language of Goal 4, in particular the foster sustainable, inclusive and resilient communities,

[3:08:11] Voice 15: to more clearly integrate environmental protection,

[3:08:14] Voice 15: climate change mitigation, adaptation, and resilience

[3:08:17] Voice 15: as foundational components of sustainable and inclusive communities.

[3:08:23] Voice 15: Eighth item would be to strengthen Policy 345,

[3:08:27] Voice 15: climate change and land use to avoid new or increased exposure

[3:08:31] Voice 15: to climate-related risks, reduce greenhouse gas emissions,

[3:08:35] Voice 15: and support proactive climate adaptation measures

[3:08:38] Voice 15: through land use planning and natural nature-based solutions.

[3:08:41] Voice 15: solutions.

[3:08:42] Voice 15: The ninth one, there were an awful lot of salt spring towns, strengthen policy 346,

[3:08:50] Voice 15: climate and natural hazard risks to be more anticipatory and future focused, emphasizing

[3:08:56] Voice 15: risk avoidance rather than reliance on adaptation alone and restricting development areas subject

[3:09:04] Voice 15: to present and projected climate related hazards.

[3:09:06] Voice 15: hazards. Tenth one, add a new advocacy policy in transportation that recognizes the impact

[3:09:15] Voice 15: of BC Ferries on island communities and encourage BC Ferries to be an active and willing partner

[3:09:20] Voice 15: in long-term island planning. I recall South Spring Local Trust Committee sent a letter

[3:09:25] Voice 15: during performance term six asking just that, and staff at BC Ferries acknowledged and were

[3:09:34] Voice 15: grateful that we had made that request but still i think it should be specific in our policy statement

[3:09:41] Voice 15: number 11 strengthen fresh water policies by converting advocacy policies into directive

[3:09:47] Voice 15: policy and explicitly enable and requires coordination of the province regional and

[3:09:54] Voice 15: improvement districts first nations and other authorities to protect long-term potable water

[3:09:58] Voice 15: resilience across the trust area i think this in particular is a salt spring lesson

[3:10:02] Voice 15: and learned through SWFA and others we know that we cannot protect fresh water on this

[3:10:09] Voice 15: in these islands if we don't do so in coordination and I think there should be a policy to require

[3:10:15] Voice 15: that coordination. Very similarly I really want to call out on Salt Spring the Farmland Trust

[3:10:25] Voice 15: and the Salt Spring Island Farmers Institute who both provided very detailed comments on agriculture

[3:10:32] Voice 15: i wrestled i looked at every one of them um and recognized that again it's a coordination issue

[3:10:40] Voice 15: we have an alc that just doesn't fit in our islands we have all kinds of issues and i think

[3:10:49] Voice 15: what i'm recommending is that we acknowledge agriculture is stone community planning and

[3:10:54] Voice 15: resilience and that we should have a develop develop a directive policy that explicitly

[3:10:59] Voice 15: explicitly enables and requires coordination

[3:11:02] Voice 15: with the province, the Agricultural Land Commission,

[3:11:05] Voice 15: regional districts, First Nations, and other authorities

[3:11:07] Voice 15: to protect long-term agricultural viability

[3:11:11] Voice 15: and resilience in the trust area.

[3:11:12] Voice 15: You know, we wanna grow more food.

[3:11:15] Voice 15: We've gotta figure out how to do it.

[3:11:16] Voice 15: And I think the trust policy statement

[3:11:20] Voice 15: should require that coordination.

[3:11:23] Voice 15: Those are my

[3:11:24] Voice 15: substance ones.

[3:11:25] Voice 15: And then I think from a implementation frame,

[3:11:29] Voice 15: I'd like to recommend in the implementation framework

[3:11:32] Voice 15: that they include an option for local trust committees

[3:11:35] Voice 15: or Island municipalities to prepare a context statement

[3:11:38] Voice 15: that identifies the relationship

[3:11:40] Voice 15: between the official community plan

[3:11:42] Voice 15: and the guiding principles, goals,

[3:11:44] Voice 15: and directive advisory policies

[3:11:45] Voice 15: of the trust policy statement.

[3:11:47] Voice 15: Context statement should outline how OCPs

[3:11:53] Voice 15: will be made consistent with the trust policy statement

[3:11:56] Voice 15: over time and that it should be part of an ocp i think this is something i think if it was created

[3:12:01] Voice 15: as an option i think communities like salt spring i think bowen would probably appreciate too that

[3:12:06] Voice 15: at the time it should have that context documented and made part of its ocp and it's a choice but i

[3:12:14] Voice 15: think it would help to work through and document that context um my final one is regarding an

[3:12:21] Voice 15: amendment process i i think chair peterson you agree we know that it's been 20 plus years before

[3:12:28] Voice 15: this was updated um i'd like to to see a development include a clear amendment process

[3:12:35] Voice 15: of the trust policy statement to ensure it remains current and relevant and also include a mechanism

[3:12:40] Voice 15: that allows any island trust body to request amendments i think salt spring local trust

[3:12:44] Voice 15: committee should should have the power to um make requests in any way you can

[3:12:52] Voice 15: always request an

[3:12:52] Voice 15: amendment doesn't mean you're going to be successful but if we find something that would

[3:12:56] Voice 15: be more beneficial to salt street we should be able to put forward an amendment those are all

[3:13:01] Voice 15: my comments okay

[3:13:04] Voice 9: thank you for that i see um i have a couple comments but i'll turn it over to

[3:13:09] Voice 9: Trustee Harris

[3:13:09] Voice 9: Thank you.

[3:13:14] Voice 13: Can you hear me okay?

[3:13:15] Voice 13: Yeah

[3:13:20] Voice 13: In my view

[3:13:23] Voice 13: for Salzburg

[3:13:25] Voice 13: in particular this policy statement

[3:13:30] Voice 13: is going to have more than a negative effect

[3:13:32] Voice 13: on the community's social and economic well-being

[3:13:37] Voice 13: In my opinion

[3:13:39] Voice 13: opinion the statement um trying to find a good word for it but um to me it's uh it in to me it

[3:13:52] Voice 13: i wanted to use the word reeks but i'm not sure what the word to put in there but um of um radical

[3:13:59] Voice 13: left-wing extremism and um this kind of thing is sort of crept in to um to communities um all

[3:14:08] Voice 13: All across the West, especially in British Columbia and the Islands Trust area in particular.

[3:14:14] Voice 13: But in my view, this statement, as it is, adds more weight to the knee that's already on the neck of the blue-collar community on Salt Spring and the rest of the community, as far as I'm concerned.

[3:14:33] Voice 13: earned and um you know when we add in the undemocratic representation um aspect that's

[3:14:45] Voice 13: that embodies the island's trust structure for salt you know when it comes to salt spring it's

[3:14:49] Voice 13: just it adds more than insult to injury and i'm highly opposed um and i would encourage anybody

[3:14:58] Voice 13: else that's um aware and um and feels that they can maybe make a difference with their

[3:15:05] Voice 13: with their input to do so because honestly the um the public um engagement uh as far as i'm

[3:15:14] Voice 13: concerned has been far you know more than inadequate um for the ltc of salt spring to

[3:15:22] Voice 13: actually endorse the statement and i would recommend that the ltc um oppose um the statement

[3:15:30] Voice 13: policy statement thank you okay

[3:15:35] Voice 17: um so just add a couple of uh thoughts a little bit of context on

[3:15:43] Voice 17: um of course we know that local trust committee recommendations um

[3:15:48] Voice 9: in terms of referral response

[3:15:51] Voice 9: will go to trust council for deliberation and i have no doubt that there will be considerable

[3:15:58] Voice 9: deliberation there at Trust Council. I'll note that as of today, we have four local

[3:16:14] Voice 9: trust committees have responded to interests unaffected and another three have recommended

[3:16:32] that the bylaw proceed

[3:16:35] Voice 9: with certain recommendations.

[3:16:40] Voice 9: Certainly the new new guiding principle

[3:16:43] Voice 9: related to climate change adaptation mitigation

[3:16:46] Voice 9: has been raised in at least one other local trust committee.

[3:16:50] Voice 9: I know in the Laskiti response in particular,

[3:17:01] Voice 9: In particular, there's a couple of areas that I was quite concerned about, one being making the advisory policy 3.13 land back explicit that the intent is to encourage support of voluntary opportunities to direct land to Indigenous governing bodies that is not required.

[3:17:23] Voice 9: Unfortunately, in some quarters that has been misread, the intent, so I want to make, one

[3:17:32] Voice 9: of my recommendations is to make that really clear what the intent is, fully within our

[3:17:40] Voice 9: jurisdiction, we certainly cannot, we shouldn't be putting anything in our policy that is

[3:17:46] Voice 9: beyond our jurisdiction.

[3:17:48] Voice 9: Another one, because I've heard it a lot, is in relation to 3.4.14 and recommending

[3:17:58] Voice 9: removing the words floor area and from the heading and the text and from the glossary

[3:18:04] Voice 9: as well.

[3:18:05] Voice 9: I think it's created some unnecessary confusion and removing it from the text does not preclude

[3:18:16] Voice 9: an individual uh local trust committee considering it um on their own but uh due to the sheer volume

[3:18:24] Voice 9: um of correspondence i have received on it it's it's not um removing it wouldn't

[3:18:32] Voice 9: uh change the intent of that policy uh but it would uh it would uh hopefully alleviate some

[3:18:40] Voice 9: of the concern about the use of those words it's not essential that they're there um there's deemed

[3:18:45] Voice 9: to be objectionable by a suitable number of folks um

[3:18:49] Voice 17: so i i'm recommending those be removed and then

[3:18:54] Voice 17: uh also as um in line with what uh church or trustee patrick in this case i mentioned

[3:19:03] Voice 17: i've long been an advocate of

[3:19:05] Voice 9: amending the policy statement amendment policy that's about full for

[3:19:09] Voice 9: you um because i think it's essential that trust council uh understands that it is required to

[3:19:20] Voice 9: consider reviewing the policy statement each term um that the review process is well defined

[3:19:29] Voice 9: uh a policy statement amendment topic review inventory is created and maintained

[3:19:35] Voice 9: and um and that trustees um and trust bodies uh should be able to request

[3:19:46] Voice 9: a review of specific policies with a view to improvement after all that's that's the whole

[3:19:55] Voice 9: point um but certainly that there should not be a case um where trust council

[3:20:03] Voice 9: all coasts along without at least considering whether a review of individual policies be

[3:20:10] Voice 9: necessary i think this is particularly important because in large reviews such as the current one

[3:20:18] Voice 9: which is essentially a rewriting

[3:20:20] Voice 9: and is a is a large project it takes a lot of resources

[3:20:26] Voice 9: resources, an incredible amount of staff time, an awful lot of trustee time, if I start considering

[3:20:35] Voice 17: the amount of time the Trust Programs Committee spent on this draft, followed by, I believe

[3:20:41] Voice 17: it was 11 additional

[3:20:45] Voice 9: meetings, including committees of the whole, hours and hours and hours spent

[3:20:51] Voice 9: going over the wording and the

[3:20:57] Voice 17: perfect is the enemy of the good

[3:20:59] Voice 17: and I think it's essential to make the amendment process clear that it's an expectation of trust

[3:21:09] Voice 17: council to review and then review of the policy or two or three per term is probably a really

[3:21:16] Voice 17: good idea so

[3:21:18] Voice 9: that if we discover that policies are having unintended effects

[3:21:22] Voice 9: effects, they should be amended

[3:21:24] Voice 17: to really reflect the will of the Trust Council and

[3:21:29] Voice 9: the needs of our own communities.

[3:21:31] Voice 9: Policy statement is never intended to be written in stone, a document that's untouched for

[3:21:37] Voice 9: 30 or more years.

[3:21:39] Voice 9: That's totally contrary to the intent of

[3:21:43] Voice 17: such documents.

[3:21:44] Voice 17: So that's why addressing the

[3:21:49] Voice 9: amendment process of the policy statement is so important from my perspective.

[3:21:55] Voice 9: And

[3:21:56] Voice 17: I'll also note yesterday, the Trust Programs Committee spent a fair bit of time looking at that

[3:22:04] Voice 9: policy and suggesting improvements to it.

[3:22:08] Voice 9: and staff is going to be taking those uh direction and uh bringing a new draft to

[3:22:16] Voice 9: trust programs committee i believe in may for consideration of trust council in june

[3:22:21] Voice 9: that's my fervent hope that trust council will approve a new amendment policy that is robust

[3:22:29] Voice 17: and lays out clear expectations

[3:22:31] Voice 9: that this work is part of trust council's regular responsibility

[3:22:36] Voice 9: responsibility and should be addressed regularly and every term we should never allow such a huge

[3:22:46] Voice 9: lapse to happen in between updates of the policy statement so I'll leave it at that for a moment

[3:22:54] Voice 9: and get back to consideration of the referral response here I

[3:23:06] Voice 15: have nothing to add any comments

[3:23:10] Voice 15: and anything from my recommendations

[3:23:13] Voice 15: that need further thought or...

[3:23:18] Voice 9: Oh, I also did want to add those to voice.

[3:23:21] Voice 9: I think that the suggestion around advocacy policy

[3:23:26] Voice 9: around transportation that speaks to the BC Ferries

[3:23:30] Voice 9: is really important.

[3:23:32] Voice 9: And I have a feeling, of course,

[3:23:35] Voice 9: one does well to

[3:23:37] Voice 17: never presume

[3:23:38] Voice 17: what Trust Council will do with any suggestion

[3:23:41] Voice 17: or recommendation but uh i would

[3:23:44] Voice 9: i would think that it's um likely to be uh uh well considered

[3:23:50] Voice 9: at that trust at the trust council level but that might be a very worthy addition

[3:23:59] Voice 9: um so in terms of uh the work before us today i am uh ready to uh entertain a motion if someone

[3:24:11] Voice 9: would like to make one i'll

[3:24:12] Voice 15: make a motion do i need i've read them all as they're presented um

[3:24:18] Voice 15: do you want me to read them all

[3:24:20] Voice 15: again or can i just well lisa has them i've already sent them

[3:24:24] Voice 15: okay

[3:24:24] Voice 17: so if the um the minute taker hasn't maybe i'll

[3:24:29] Voice 9: just check from a legislative point of view

[3:24:30] Voice 9: is there um is there uh in terms of uh putting forward your motion that uh that references a

[3:24:40] Voice 9: document that's been read out in this meeting um like a decision 1 through 14 has

[3:24:46] Voice 9: read okay

[3:24:49] Voice 6: try to

[3:24:49] Voice 6: avoid the requirement to re-read uh what was already read out in the form of a motion

[3:24:54] Voice 6: it's impossible for lisa to share the screen

[3:25:07] Voice 9: Okay.

[3:25:12] Voice 17: Let's just check in then. Lisa, are you able to screen share the

[3:25:18] Voice 9: points that Trustee

[3:25:22] Voice 9: Patrick read out earlier? Because we're advised that if so, then we don't have to read them

[3:25:27] Voice 9: them out in the form of a motion um

[3:25:29] Voice 19: yes just give me one moment i'll do that okay

[3:25:32] Voice 9: thank you very

[3:25:32] Voice 9: much there

[3:25:57] Voice 16: we go one

[3:25:59] Voice 15: fits on the page it's worth dino okay

[3:26:03] Voice 9: so then you would want to oh i see and

[3:26:06] Voice 9: in fact you have it even in motion for look at you go yes so

[3:26:12] Voice 9: go ahead and make uh at least the

[3:26:14] Voice 9: beginning of the motion um

[3:26:15] Voice 15: i move that the salt spring island local trust committee recommended

[3:26:18] Voice 15: amended trust council that proposed bylaw number 183 proceed subject consideration of the following

[3:26:25] Voice 15: recommendations 1 through 14 as presented on the screen okay

[3:26:31] Voice 9: that is moved and i will second the

[3:26:35] Voice 9: motion and look for discussion uh trustee harris go ahead thank

[3:26:46] Voice 13: you um i'm strongly opposed to this

[3:26:49] Voice 13: motion. I feel that because of the reasoning I mentioned earlier, but I'll touch on it

[3:26:57] Voice 13: again, the undemocratic representation issue with Trust Council having such power over

[3:27:08] Voice 13: Cold Spring Island, I'm strongly opposed to this policy statement. I'm strongly opposed

[3:27:19] Voice 13: to this policy statement and the LTC endorsing it in any way, shape, or form. Thank you.

[3:27:25] Voice 9: thank you for your thoughts um

[3:27:29] Voice 15: i was uh i said i attended both of the community information

[3:27:33] Voice 15: meetings here on south spring december and january and uh i've read the considerable

[3:27:39] Voice 15: correspondence i think salt spring won the uh correspondence uh sufficient rate of uh of

[3:27:45] Voice 15: the island's trust and um and i tried hard to reflect and i think we've had a lot of experience

[3:27:52] Voice 15: that's relevant to helping guide this document

[3:27:55] Voice 15: to be best for Salt Spring going forward.

[3:28:00] Voice 9: Trustee Harris, did you have something you wanted to add?

[3:28:04] Voice 9: Yes,

[3:28:04] Voice 13: I do have something to add regarding public engagement.

[3:28:09] Voice 13: And I wasn't at either of the meetings,

[3:28:12] Voice 13: but I've had more than considerable engagement

[3:28:15] Voice 13: with many people from Salt Spring Island

[3:28:19] Voice 13: that generally don't attend those type of meetings

[3:28:23] Voice 13: or attend them you know generally the LTC meetings but they're all highly

[3:28:27] Voice 13: opposed to this and to the islands trust in general and for that I'm still

[3:28:33] Voice 13: strongly opposed to this motion thank you okay

[3:28:38] Voice 9: thank you and I just wanted to

[3:28:39] Voice 9: touch briefly on the the issue around public engagement I I think there's

[3:28:49] Voice 9: always room for improvement um there's models that uh islands trust has as uh not uh considered in

[3:29:01] Voice 9: the past for example uh citizens assembly um is one model that you know

[3:29:08] Voice 9: it's i think it may be a

[3:29:11] Voice 9: little late uh for this draft but it's uh something worth considering um in the future perhaps or or

[3:29:18] Voice 9: maybe trust council will decide that's the way to go but um i think it's challenging to

[3:29:26] Voice 9: uh even envision a perfect model of public engagement and so i know this trust council

[3:29:36] Voice 9: um their intent with creating a six-month publishing engagement period was specifically

[3:29:45] Voice 9: specifically, to try and provide much more robust opportunities than in the past.

[3:29:55] Voice 9: That said, did we reach everyone?

[3:29:58] Voice 9: Certainly.

[3:30:00] Voice 9: not. What more can we do? I think this is an open question.

[3:30:10] Voice 17: Trustee Harris, did you have something else?

[3:30:12] Voice 13: Yes, thank you. You know, touching on the public engagement and lack of

[3:30:20] Voice 13: what, in my view, would be enough public engagement, what would be that these things

[3:30:27] Voice 13: should be election issues. And because that's the biggest public engagement we ever have,

[3:30:33] Voice 13: is is elections and um anything else is a waste of time and tax dollars um because we have really

[3:30:43] Voice 13: other things that we need to be dealing with as you mentioned um chair peterson the amount of time

[3:30:49] Voice 13: that went in um at trust council um you know dealing with this policy statement it's just

[3:30:56] Voice 13: it it doesn't make any sense it kind of touches on the more than touches on the the um

[3:31:03] Voice 13: dysfunction of the organization and um yeah i believe that should be an election issue

[3:31:11] Voice 13: and hopefully whoever runs next time will uh maybe put that in their campaign thank you thank you for

[3:31:18] Voice 17: that and uh there's no guarantee this will be done before end of term and may may in fact be

[3:31:24] Voice 17: uh trustee patrick the

[3:31:26] Voice 15: public engagement began in 2019 we've been through several rounds

[3:31:31] Voice 15: and an election as from this project so I think it's it's always hard to remember that it started

[3:31:40] Voice 15: a long time ago absolutely

[3:31:43] Voice 9: all right I'd like to call the question then all those in favor

[3:31:51] Voice 9: any opposed and that motion carries so we're at 103 we said we would restart public hearing at

[3:32:05] Voice 9: at 1 30 so let us go to let's go to the active projects list at 12.1 and i'll turn over to staff

[3:32:23] Voice 9: to see if you have anything you'd like to share with us at this time nothing to share at this

[3:32:29] time mr chair it's it's it may be a good idea to i mean i know we don't have an active

[3:32:35] Voice 9: this

[3:32:37] Voice 9: active project list has not been updated beyond the really what is the only priority um in our

[3:32:43] Voice 9: projects right now which is the um the lpc uh the ocpl uv update project um the the other two

[3:32:52] Voice 9: projects are somewhat in in process i guess the um a recent meeting of say i would sort of reveal

[3:33:00] that the

[3:33:00] Voice 9: the change in the referral system and sort of um had there had been some kind of mix

[3:33:08] Voice 9: up the referral so they asked us to refer that again so um we did that about two weeks ago i

[3:33:13] Voice 9: want to say so we're looking forward to feedback on that and that's all the day the pilot number

[3:33:16] Voice 9: 537 um so our goal here really is to just get this back before lpc um you know just to allow

[3:33:25] Voice 9: allow information. The other one is related to some of the water things. So we've discontinued

[3:33:37] Voice 9: some of those. We do know that the proof of proof of water bylaw is still a midpoint bylaw that has

[3:33:45] Voice 9: not been resolved at this point. So these are live bylaws that we would just rather not have on this

[3:33:50] Voice 9: list um part of this is that you know as we're getting into the next fiscal and looking at the

[3:33:56] Voice 9: horizon of the election of all um we know that you know beyond the octa project there is a there

[3:34:03] Voice 9: would be a desire to do new things possibly so we want to we want to be sure that we're doing the

[3:34:09] Voice 9: work of sort of cleaning up this list and making room we do have a maximum number of projects we

[3:34:14] Voice 9: can have on this list at any one time so um and so we want to make sure we're we're getting the

[3:34:19] Voice 9: clarity we need to move forward um so those are the things that we've we've got on here right now

[3:34:25] Voice 9: um uh certainly welcome lcc's comments on any of the the active projects we're going on thank you

[3:34:34] Voice 9: trustees any questions comments i

[3:34:40] Voice 15: i don't know this list i'll i'll reserve my comments for the

[3:34:44] Voice 15: sort of the staff report because it kind of comes back yeah

[3:34:48] Voice 9: yeah yeah

[3:34:49] Voice 9: and i was going to say that

[3:34:51] Voice 9: it might be better to talk to the quarterly report ahead of time yeah just because it might result

[3:34:55] Voice 9: in changes to these lists in some ways okay yeah and then we have the future projects list but

[3:35:00] Voice 9: let's go to the um quarterly work program update which is on page two of the addendum okay i can i

[3:35:15] Voice 9: can do through this um so it's it's another quarterly report we uh we didn't have one back

[3:35:21] Voice 9: in i believe i only wanted to remember so i didn't pick that up so this report kind of covered back

[3:35:25] back to September 11th, that

[3:35:28] Voice 9: the report really goes through

[3:35:31] Voice 9: that the actions happening at the Salt Spring office,

[3:35:35] Voice 9: partly that there is a physical Salt Spring office,

[3:35:39] Voice 9: but LTC will recall and start this out to talk about,

[3:35:42] Voice 9: to align these reports with upcoming trust council meetings

[3:35:45] Voice 9: in order to ensure that we had a conversation

[3:35:48] Voice 9: about the Salt Spring work program

[3:35:51] Voice 9: and that the information going to the trust council

[3:35:53] Voice 9: reflects the most current information we have.

[3:35:59] Voice 9: So we're pretty much at year end right now

[3:36:03] Voice 9: with the 25-26 fiscal year.

[3:36:06] Voice 9: We finished a business case on January 20th

[3:36:09] Voice 9: that went forward to LTC,

[3:36:10] Voice 9: so we had some last final revisions there

[3:36:13] Voice 9: for the OCP LEB project.

[3:36:16] Voice 9: So that's going on to Trust Council at this point.

[3:36:21] Voice 9: Typically what we would be doing

[3:36:22] Voice 9: is looking at the future projects list

[3:36:24] just reviewing that and starting to turn our eyes

[3:36:28] to the new and updated project charters.

[3:36:32] New or updated project charters if LTC has projects

[3:36:36] that

[3:36:36] Voice 9: they feel ought to be initiated.

[3:36:41] Right now we have a vacancy.

[3:36:45] LTC will note that we've done

[3:36:48] Voice 9: a few moves

[3:36:49] Voice 9: in the last few months here.

[3:36:51] Voice 9: here, Mr. Panahybar, the lad has moved into the,

[3:36:55] Voice 9: he's been appointed permanently for the Planner 1 role.

[3:36:58] Voice 9: He'd been an auxiliary for some time,

[3:36:59] while Joe Olofusoglu was back filling the Island Planner role

[3:37:06] when she moved into the Planner 2 role permanently.

[3:37:11] That Planner 1

[3:37:12] Voice 9: role was not been filled.

[3:37:15] Voice 9: Anthony Pitino, you will have very much known him

[3:37:18] Voice 9: this afternoon, has returned to the Salt Spring office.

[3:37:20] Voice 9: us. Aloha Shogo is in zone and on leave for the month of February, so she'll be back next

[3:37:26] Voice 9: month. We just closed an island plan in January, and we hope to have more of that in the next

[3:37:36] Voice 9: time. Just looking at the table here on our distribution of applications, there's a note

[3:37:47] Voice 9: here that we do tend to change this. We don't always align with this when it comes to

[3:37:55] how we decide applications, if a planner has a relationship with clients, we try to keep it together, and we tend to play to the strength of the team.

[3:38:08] Voice 9: Yeah, the reports summary is right there in the workload.

[3:38:13] Voice 9: We still have quite a few. I have a report that our processing time has not been longer since we've been

[3:38:23] down two planners

[3:38:25] for the last couple of months here

[3:38:26] but it hasn't gotten better either. It's stayed about the same

[3:38:29] so

[3:38:30] we're happy that we've stayed.

[3:38:36] Voice 9: We're continuing to see

[3:38:38] Voice 9: inquiries

[3:38:39] Voice 9: about development in the

[3:38:41] Voice 9: Gandy neighbourhood primarily

[3:38:43] for

[3:38:44] Voice 9: higher density housing

[3:38:45] Voice 9: and our

[3:38:47] Voice 9: inquiries are not only

[3:38:49] Voice 9: high in number but also

[3:38:51] Voice 9: in expectation of quality

[3:38:53] Voice 9: and larger developments in the complex so they can take a little bit more time for us.

[3:38:59] The office renovation project is mainly complete. The office is open.

[3:39:07] We do have some two hours otherwise things are

[3:39:11] Voice 9: pretty much back to normal. We have a bit of

[3:39:13] Voice 9: work to do to get our courtroom up and ready. We've got a bit more work in that space but we're

[3:39:19] Voice 9: continuing to move forward on that um getting to the lists the active project list is um is

[3:39:30] Voice 9: is there as i discussed earlier so we can we can come back to that one if you like

[3:39:34] Voice 9: uh i've summarized it all here with uh what's what's going on in terms of our project and

[3:39:40] Voice 9: there's a recommendation in the report for the reform or the top three priorities so again that's

[3:39:46] Voice 9: that's what we're forwarding to the trust council so um the water projects will become the question

[3:39:52] Voice 9: part for us um the one thing to note about our priorities on this housing housing and water

[3:40:00] after the end of this fiscal does essentially become minor projects um in action program

[3:40:07] as well as um

[3:40:13] Voice 9: yeah and then we have the future projects list um i know that some trustees don't

[3:40:23] Voice 9: don't don't have a great uh we'd like to see the the purpose of this change and i'm more than happy

[3:40:28] Voice 9: to to talk about that more i think it's something that we'd like to tackle um at this time of year

[3:40:34] Voice 9: it's a question of are these projects that matter or not and are there other problems that are

[3:40:39] Voice 9: emerging so um i've made the suggestion in this report that ltc you know recognizing that there's

[3:40:45] Voice 9: an election and that the ltc is going to be different in 12 months time um i think that

[3:40:50] there is probably an understanding of what is emerging as being important on salt spring right

[3:40:56] now what are the types

[3:40:57] Voice 9: of things you need to advocate for and even a project charter that

[3:41:00] Voice 9: might want to end up in a different direction giving staff the opportunity and starting to

[3:41:06] sort of stress test some of those um those directions might be a good opportunity at this

[3:41:12] point uh as we go forward

[3:41:14] Voice 9: to provide you with a better understanding of the set up the next

[3:41:18] Voice 9: turn forces up overall the the direction here um on this report is uh to receive this report um and

[3:41:33] um you know ultimately what we want to do is forward these this happens anyway but the top

[3:41:39] three uh active projects do get forwarded to trust council as an active action plan um and uh if we

[3:41:47] a future projects list it does help uh through capital planning okay

[3:41:58] Voice 16: trustees comments just

[3:42:01] Voice 16: first of

[3:42:03] Voice 15: all congratulations and i'm glad you're moving in and getting comfortable in the office

[3:42:06] Voice 15: i know that was a long time without and uh and also congratulations on being nearly only staffed

[3:42:16] Voice 15: That's a component, your breath, that stays that way.

[3:42:21] Voice 15: So that is really good news.

[3:42:24] Voice 15: I'll start first with the future project list.

[3:42:28] Voice 15: I think, you know, I understand three regional offices trying to do things the same, but

[3:42:35] Voice 15: you know what, they don't.

[3:42:38] Voice 15: So I think, Salt Spring, it's time for us to bust out of the mold.

[3:42:42] Voice 15: the future project list what we have is it's just things that were captured during trustees talking

[3:42:52] Voice 15: about an application or something at some point in time it's so irrelevant and it doesn't help

[3:42:57] Voice 15: anything yeah i said in like regional planning committee meeting last week where a biologist

[3:43:02] Voice 15: reported that they've been through all the development permit areas they identified

[3:43:05] Voice 15: somewhere no longer up-to-date in legislation that is a future project um and i look at the

[3:43:14] Voice 15: legislative report that says oh a change in legislation requires our ocp to be changed or

[3:43:19] Voice 15: something needs to be changed that is a future project um staff sit and wrestle with applications

[3:43:26] Voice 15: and everything else and they identify things that gosh if this was just fixed that's a future

[3:43:32] Voice 15: project so i think we should take ownership of the future project list throw out this version

[3:43:38] Voice 15: or software package or whatever it is that we're forced to have to use and say it doesn't work

[3:43:42] Voice 15: create an excel spreadsheet or some other form that works and create the categories i think staff

[3:43:49] Voice 15: should be able to identify and populate that list just take credit for it so it was identified by

[3:43:54] Voice 15: staff on such and such a date and i think

[3:43:57] Voice 12: it also should

[3:43:58] Voice 15: contain some prioritization

[3:44:00] Voice 15: If it's out of, you know, if we're not conforming the legislation, is that a priority? Is this something that being not up to date is a problem? And so there should be some prioritization.

[3:44:17] Voice 15: I think that staff should have that ability to indicate, I mean, as elected, we could say, oh, this is a project that we think has value and is prioritized on this list.

[3:44:30] Voice 15: And we need to justify that.

[3:44:31] Voice 15: I think maybe a justification can be captioned.

[3:44:34] Voice 15: But I think staff should primarily drive that list from what's important.

[3:44:42] Voice 15: and as future work is looked together there might be clumps of things that could be addressed from

[3:44:50] Voice 15: that list because i just feel we're overwhelmed with behind um and we're not going to be able to

[3:45:01] Voice 15: get ahead um if we're not if the elected side doesn't have the good information to make those

[3:45:08] Voice 15: decisions so we know our land use bylaws are out of date with these areas um from an organization

[3:45:17] Voice 15: efficiency standpoint if everybody had their lists that way and the opportunities to see where there

[3:45:22] Voice 15: were uh if there was a data need or it's a mapping issue or it's something that's out of date over

[3:45:28] Voice 15: six local trust areas that she is something so i'm really encouraging you that you know i don't

[3:45:35] Voice 15: where to make a vote but to take ownership of that list and let's make it work for salt spring

[3:45:38] Voice 15: is what i'm encouraging you to go wild brainstorm come up with something that really helps drive

[3:45:47] Voice 15: good decisions

[3:45:49] Voice 9: it's if i may um the

[3:45:52] Voice 16: that's

[3:45:53] Voice 9: a conversation that definitely is is continuous

[3:45:56] Voice 9: continuous at a team level. We actually do have running tables for the OCP and the LAP.

[3:46:05] Voice 9: Mostly because there's a lot of issues coming up. You're seeing EVP resumption again and

[3:46:12] again because, and those are sometimes the same ones, because why are we doing the EVP

[3:46:16] over and over again?

[3:46:18] Voice 9: Business policy, right? We've asked that question. But we can bring

[3:46:22] Voice 9: you um problem identification and do the work of policy and go along and if there are sometimes

[3:46:30] Voice 9: housekeeping amendments that we can we can work at um there are other things that become larger and

[3:46:36] Voice 9: more strategic right policy statement addresses some of those things like some of our

[3:46:42] Voice 9: identifications um so that's i mean and i think it's a useful thing to pay back and

[3:46:47] Voice 9: explore can we replace the future projects list with a more um more usable

[3:46:54] Voice 15: yes yes i would hope so

[3:46:59] Voice 15: um i think it's time has been served i don't know what it was serving but it doesn't serve us today

[3:47:06] Voice 12: yeah um

[3:47:07] Voice 15: and i think we got to get smarter at you know being clear because then i you know the next

[3:47:13] Voice 15: piece of your report i look at our staffing and our and when we look at what their the type of

[3:47:20] Voice 15: work they're doing we've got lots

[3:47:22] Voice 15: of staff doing lots of things on applications and development

[3:47:27] Voice 15: our development applications and and i think if we could better align our you know those staffing

[3:47:37] Voice 15: resources with our needs if this list is long of things that we need to update to get our

[3:47:43] Voice 15: regulations more up-to-date and robust you know that can we yeah does that give you better

[3:47:50] Voice 15: ammunition to organize the planning staff behind the work that needs to be done um because i just

[3:47:58] Voice 15: feel that we have a mountain we're behind i just know we've got a we're hiding a lot of areas

[3:48:03] Voice 15: on salt spring and and this is primarily the long-term planning aspects you know the regulations

[3:48:10] Voice 15: and things in the OCP, would a better list like that help maybe assign more planning

[3:48:23] Voice 15: resources toward these longer-term activities?

[3:48:29] Voice 9: Yeah, I think understanding being able to provide, I think it is true that the future

[3:48:33] projects list is pretty much what trustees have been willing to, by resolution, say they

[3:48:39] want to do in the future, where staff can file them.

[3:48:44] Like, you know, they did a file to things that they think would improve things.

[3:48:49] Now they experience them daily, right?

[3:48:51] So they often have good suggestions.

[3:48:53] So, yeah, I think if there's a desire to do that and to have staff, you know,

[3:49:03] I'd much rather post the future projects list, whatever that is,

[3:49:07] give it a new name, but I think it might be more useful to post it quarterly,

[3:49:13] really keep it live on the website that kind of thing but um but sort of get a staff perspective

[3:49:20] and like

[3:49:21] Voice 9: just maintain what you know i think ltc has to have some buy-in what the prioritization

[3:49:26] Voice 9: is and to somewhat be giving us our marching orders of course the core part of the job right

[3:49:31] Voice 9: so um and so we can we can certainly work on something that like if you're if the intention

[3:49:36] Voice 9: is to empower staff to provide um the challenge staff to suggest ways of approving um to support

[3:49:44] Voice 9: that um process we can we can certainly look at that yeah

[3:49:54] Voice 15: that's what i mean i just sometimes

[3:49:58] Voice 15: think especially when i look at places the number of our resumings and things of that nature are we

[3:50:02] Voice 15: falling are we seeing different pressures and things that are happening uh you know for example

[3:50:10] Voice 15: we just talked about the you know the store over here and we just had gone through this industrial

[3:50:15] Voice 15: land why hadn't we caught that you know that would have been something that should have been existing

[3:50:20] Voice 15: on a future projects list that this other commercial property here could have been involved

[3:50:24] Voice 15: in this other project that we had going on so i think there'd be more efficiencies and from both

[3:50:30] Voice 15: the staff perspective and helping give the elected the good information they need to make the better

[3:50:35] Voice 15: and that that's i just encourage encourage encourage us to find ways to to do that

[3:50:45] Voice 15: and uh salt spring break out

[3:50:47] Voice 15: of the mold because

[3:50:49] Voice 16: i think we have the biggest time

[3:50:56] Voice 9: in many ways the future projects list could be what's there currently could be the uh you know

[3:51:04] Voice 9: a someday topic inventory and and as you suggest now the future projects list could be actually

[3:51:11] Voice 9: something more functional um uh that really looks at you know efficiencies uh looming legislative

[3:51:21] Voice 9: legislative reality things are a little bit more important than geez it'd be nice to do this

[3:51:27] Voice 9: project someday when we have capacity which is maybe that's maybe that should be a future topics

[3:51:35] Voice 9: inventory and we use you know rename what we're currently using it for as something that more

[3:51:41] Voice 9: reflects what it actually is dispose of it sometimes

[3:51:44] Voice 15: i think we do things because we just

[3:51:47] Voice 15: do them yeah

[3:51:47] Voice 9: i mean and i get for for for some trustees i know there's a desire to you know just

[3:51:55] Voice 17: keep track of of this sort of the long wish list of if we ever have capacity

[3:52:02] Voice 9: so i mean i understand

[3:52:04] Voice 9: that not wanting to you know lose those ideas forever but let maybe call them something else and

[3:52:11] Voice 9: maybe they only need to be reported back you never might go once a year or something yeah

[3:52:15] Voice 9: but uh yeah there are there are larger projects right so it's do we you know there's the

[3:52:22] administrative work the housekeeping

[3:52:23] Voice 9: work then there's the um the the things like i mean i think

[3:52:28] Voice 9: i put the example network for harbor management or harbor planning

[3:52:31] Voice 2: yeah um no small task um

[3:52:34] It would be a lot of work to come

[3:52:37] Voice 9: to a non-interest holders understanding of an approach, it would take a lot of coordination, but possibly be a very good thing for the hardware.

[3:52:50] Voice 9: So that type of thing is one of the things they do, they were signaling an intention both to the community and also to our funding, I guess, essentially,

[3:53:03] Voice 9: to the trust council and the executive understand that these are this is a local priority so those

[3:53:12] Voice 9: are the things that i wonder about uh is that does that fit in with uh is it within the purview of

[3:53:20] Voice 9: that that other um challenges it requires a lot of lpc level strategy i

[3:53:30] Voice 15: see the two being combined

[3:53:33] Voice 15: I think the list should be populated when political direction is to put something on

[3:53:42] Voice 15: that list that it's fit in better, you know, just like the harbor issue is, as you point

[3:53:48] Voice 15: out, a bunch of things.

[3:53:52] Voice 15: And it could be someday we'll have a shoreline protection development permit area come here.

[3:54:03] Voice 15: or does one of those things fall on that product?

[3:54:08] Voice 15: So there's efficiencies in sort of we

[3:54:12] Voice 15: can't deal with this big issue all by itself

[3:54:14] Voice 15: when it has a number of areas.

[3:54:17] Voice 15: Or we have

[3:54:18] Voice 15: existing development permit areas

[3:54:20] Voice 15: that just are out of date, could have captured something

[3:54:24] Voice 15: differently and would have been able to address

[3:54:28] Voice 15: some of these issues.

[3:54:29] Voice 15: So I think that's where I'm trying

[3:54:31] Voice 15: to find a list that's more nimble not more current and thought of in that way every now and then

[3:54:39] Voice 15: looking at the work versus the need and saying we can't fix all of the hard work but we could fix

[3:54:46] Voice 15: a chunk of it if we updated this um i would have i would ask ldc to request that staff come back

[3:54:56] to the report uh quarterly report with um with options on how to uh improve the quarterly for

[3:55:05] the what is today yes i would maybe use those if that exact what is today called um but uh something

[3:55:13] like

[3:55:14] Voice 9: that would be maybe a helpful resolution to provide some direction but then fuel it and come

[3:55:18] Voice 9: back um well

[3:55:21] Voice 15: that's what yeah i really like said i encourage you to make make it easier make it

[3:55:25] Voice 15: make it easier and better informed decisions happy so you'd like i'm winging something lisa

[3:55:34] Voice 15: i moved at the salt spring island local trust committee request staff to report back on

[3:55:39] Voice 15: options to i'll just say replace the future projects list you need more detail than that

[3:55:49] Voice 9: that's probably sufficient given this conversation yeah okay just check in and see if you got that

[3:55:59] Voice 19: yes chair peterson i have that okay

[3:56:02] Voice 9: i'll second the motion any further discussion required

[3:56:07] Voice 9: i'm seeing any i'll call the question all those in favor any opposed motion carries

[3:56:17] Voice 9: and we've got a couple recommendations here thank

[3:56:30] Voice 16: you i

[3:56:33] Voice 15: know that the salisbury island

[3:56:34] Voice 15: address committee received the work program update report from the regional planning manager dated

[3:56:41] Voice 15: it february 12 2026 for information

[3:56:44] Voice 9: second motion just for discussion discussion that would have

[3:56:51] been probably the only

[3:56:51] Voice 15: thing to say to replace the future projects list but it's it's about well i

[3:56:57] Voice 15: mean it's it well it's to deal with this issue it's the better line resources of work i think

[3:57:03] Voice 15: can have this really what i'm trying to get at um but that's what your report is

[3:57:08] Voice 15: doing but this is

[3:57:09] Voice 15: all part of it yeah okay

[3:57:15] Voice 6: i'll call the question then

[3:57:16] Voice 9: all those in favor and

[3:57:18] Voice 6: any opposed and

[3:57:21] Voice 9: motion carries i

[3:57:22] Voice 15: know salt spring island local trust committee confirmed the top three priorities

[3:57:26] Voice 15: in the salt spring island local trust committee active projects list presented in the february

[3:57:29] Voice 15: 12 20 26 regular meeting agenda for these priorities to trust council and

[3:57:36] Voice 9: i would love

[3:57:37] Voice 9: to forward table number two on page four as well to trust council for information

[3:57:44] Voice 9: um just because i think it's i mean it's something we get to see here at this local

[3:57:49] Voice 9: trust committee but i think it provides some perspective that whether or not trustees

[3:57:55] Voice 9: you know deeply think about it or not yeah um that's really i'm going to say stark

[3:58:05] Voice 9: uh um so i i don't know i don't want to amend the motion but uh i think it'd be great if

[3:58:14] Voice 9: if that travels to trust council with the rest of it welcome to you that you've been in the past

[3:58:20] Voice 9: before this report to um your trust council let's finish this okay i'll call the question or i'll

[3:58:28] Voice 9: second the motion any more discussion i'll call the question all those in favor motion carries

[3:58:35] Voice 15: what we could do is request salt spring trust committee request uh director of planning

[3:58:45] Voice 15: services to include this information in his report to trust counsel okay this information

[3:58:52] Voice 15: I

[3:58:53] Voice 9: would generally suggest that we send it just to Trust Council.

[3:58:56] Voice 9: I think he just did not dictate that we would actually report it.

[3:59:01] Voice 15: I think he should.

[3:59:03] Voice 15: But the only issue is we sent this last time.

[3:59:05] Voice 15: It ended up in Trust Council package.

[3:59:07] Voice 15: No one understood what it was.

[3:59:09] Voice 17: Yeah.

[3:59:09] Voice 17: I mean, that's why I was like the table.

[3:59:13] Voice 17: Because the report I don't think

[3:59:15] Voice 9: will get maybe read and understood by a lot of things.

[3:59:20] Voice 9: if it was the table

[3:59:22] Voice 17: that's

[3:59:24] Voice 17: quick, easy to look at

[3:59:26] Voice 17: and boy is there a lot of information in that

[3:59:28] Voice 17: table.

[3:59:29] Voice 15: Well that's why I think the director

[3:59:30] Voice 15: should have it in his report.

[3:59:32] Voice 9: I just don't know if we can send it to the director.

[3:59:34] Voice 9: Send

[3:59:34] Voice 15: it to the executive committee.

[3:59:36] Voice 9: Let's send it to the executive committee.

[3:59:37] Voice 9: These can be reproduced though for

[3:59:39] Voice 9: the March Trust Council.

[3:59:42] Voice 9: We

[3:59:43] Voice 15: can send it to the executive committee

[3:59:44] Voice 15: and then we can ask the director then.

[3:59:46] Voice 12: Okay, let's do that.

[3:59:47] Voice 12: We have

[3:59:47] Voice 15: ways to get the director's attention.

[3:59:49] Voice 15: I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[3:59:51] Voice 15: forward the quarterly work program update report

[3:59:57] Voice 15: to the executive committee.

[3:59:58] Voice 9: I'll second that.

[4:00:01] Voice 9: Any further discussion?

[4:00:03] Voice 9: I'll call the question.

[4:00:04] Voice 9: All those in favor?

[4:00:06] Voice 9: And that carries.

[4:00:08] Voice 9: We'll get to that, Director.

[4:00:09] Voice 17: Okay.

[4:00:10] Voice 17: So we said we were going to reconvene the public hearing.

[4:00:14] Voice 13: Sorry to interrupt, but I did put my hand up for discussion.

[4:00:19] Voice 13: Oh, I'm sorry.

[4:00:21] Voice 13: And I subsequently voted.

[4:00:22] Voice 13: I subsequently voted against the motion.

[4:00:26] Voice 13: But anyways, just so that.

[4:00:29] Voice 17: Yeah, okay.

[4:00:30] Voice 17: My apologies, Trustee Harris.

[4:00:32] Voice 17: I recognize that the technology doesn't always respond.

[4:00:37] Voice 17: I thought you were putting your hand up to vote in favor.

[4:00:40] Voice 17: So I apologize.

[4:00:42] Voice 9: I should have taken an extra moment there.

[4:00:49] Voice 17: However, yes, let us reconvene the public hearing

[4:00:53] Voice 17: on proposed by-law number 546.

[4:01:03] Voice 17: And just a reminder for anyone who's come in late,

[4:01:06] Voice 17: please submit any comments.

[4:01:08] Voice 17: comments you may have prior to close the public

[4:01:11] Voice 9: hearing. We can receive written submissions

[4:01:16] Voice 9: up until the end of the public hearing. In respect of

[4:01:21] Voice 17: time and wanting to hear from everyone,

[4:01:28] Voice 17: if there are speakers who haven't spoken a first time, I would like to hear from them

[4:01:34] Voice 17: I am first, not seeing any,

[4:01:38] Voice 17: and any speakers who have spoken before

[4:01:43] Voice 17: wanna add anything, that's fine,

[4:01:45] Voice 17: but I'm gonna ask you to be very brief

[4:01:47] Voice 17: and only present a new information

[4:01:50] Voice 9: that you did not present or before.

[4:01:54] Voice 9: My

[4:01:55] Voice 8: name's Mark Classen.

[4:01:56] Voice 8: I'm just responding to the question

[4:01:58] Voice 8: that Mr. Hewitt posed regarding the shale mound

[4:02:02] Voice 8: on the property.

[4:02:03] Voice 8: i just wanted to clarify that information there's an eight acre shale mound central to the property

[4:02:10] Voice 8: that does not have soil suitable for agricultural purposes and it was therefore excluded from the

[4:02:17] Voice 8: alr but it is still so all non-farm uses non-agricultural purposes are restricted to

[4:02:27] Voice 8: that shale mound and uh but the zoning application applies to the whole property

[4:02:35] Voice 9: okay thank you for that

[4:02:36] Voice 8: and

[4:02:39] Voice 9: i'll see if there's anyone else

[4:02:41] Voice 9: who'd like to

[4:02:43] Voice 9: address the local trust committee with respect to this and uh sir i believe you've spoken twice

[4:02:50] Voice 9: pardon me i'm waiting to see if anybody else wants to speak first

[4:02:59] Voice 6: Okay, so anyone else who hasn't spoken second time, not seeing any, so

[4:03:07] Voice 17: I'm going to go ahead

[4:03:10] Voice 17: and invite you to speak for a third time. I'd like to be very brief and then I think

[4:03:18] Voice 17: I won't

[4:03:19] Voice 9: hear from you. We won't hear from you a fourth time.

[4:03:22] Voice 9: When

[4:03:26] Voice 16: I look at land use bylaw 195,

[4:03:33] Voice 23: under the environment of policies, I'm concerned with this new bylaw.

[4:03:37] Voice 23: I don't think it's going to cover things like using fertilizers, pesticides, insecticides, and all that kind of thing.

[4:03:44] Voice 23: So how do we cover these kinds of things in the new bylaw?

[4:03:48] Voice 23: I thought these bylaws, when the government made them, when they took away the land use contracts,

[4:03:53] Voice 23: contracts, that they were supposed to be basically the same kind of coverage that we had prior

[4:03:57] Voice 23: to the land use contract being removed, and that's how By-law 195 came into existence.

[4:04:04] Voice 23: So I think, because a perfect example is, we see there's nothing in here that somebody

[4:04:10] Voice 23: bought that property, which we hope never happens, we hope the group that has it keeps

[4:04:14] Voice 23: it, and the environment as we heard, but if somebody else buys the property, how do we

[4:04:20] Voice 23: prevent what's happening?

[4:04:21] Voice 23: We already saw 90 trees got removed to put in the new bridge across Cofaganzas Road and we couldn't

[4:04:29] Voice 23: do anything about that because it's all exempt from the drought permits and everything else.

[4:04:33] Voice 23: One thing they did do is to contact us when it snowed. But we've seen other areas where they've

[4:04:39] Voice 23: logged off that area, there was a wetland there, everything like that. So how do we actually

[4:04:44] Voice 23: put those things down? Because if we can't put covenants on an ALR land, how do we protect

[4:04:51] Voice 23: what we have is all i said and this new bylaw in my opinion doesn't do that and the other thing

[4:04:59] Voice 23: you might want to look at the public hearing binder you'll notice in there we actually have

[4:05:06] Voice 23: written prior to the meeting we had to a public meeting it said no one attended except for the

[4:05:12] Voice 23: applicants it was still there last night when i looked i mentioned this at the public information

[4:05:17] Voice 23: meeting there was that you might

[4:05:20] Voice 9: want to move just so hey thank you chair

[4:05:26] Voice 19: peterson yes could

[4:05:29] Voice 19: the speaker identify themselves by name please sorry

[4:05:31] Voice 9: wayne hewitt wayne hewitt thank

[4:05:35] Voice 19: you uh

[4:05:37] Voice 9: trustee

[4:05:38] Voice 17: harris is here right now thank

[4:05:40] Voice 13: you is that for the speakers um

[4:05:43] Voice 17: another speaker and then uh

[4:05:49] Voice 17: There's a statutory call for speakers

[4:05:53] Voice 9: coming up after that.

[4:05:54] Voice 9: So go ahead, please.

[4:05:55] Voice 9: Thank you.

[4:05:59] Voice 3: You have my name already.

[4:06:03] Voice 3: Just a suggestion or a query or my understanding is that the wording is for an amendment to what already exists.

[4:06:15] Voice 3: And therefore, it is inserting something in what already exists.

[4:06:20] Voice 3: and I have notes for myself.

[4:06:22] Voice 3: Check what the original is to see what is in there

[4:06:25] Voice 3: and that may answer Wayne's query

[4:06:28] Voice 3: or help you, guide you into understanding

[4:06:31] Voice 3: that this is an amendment to a Bible.

[4:06:45] Voice 17: Okay, we will now proceed to close the public hearing.

[4:06:50] Voice 17: Please note, after the public hearing closes,

[4:06:53] Voice 17: the Local Trust Committee will no longer be able

[4:06:55] Voice 17: to receive public submissions prior to making a decision.

[4:06:58] Voice 17: decision. So I'm asking once for more speakers. Oh, I see Daryl Jannik online.

[4:07:08] Voice 20: Hello. I just want to clarify further on this eight-acre shale mound in the center.

[4:07:14] Voice 20: It is all one parcel of land. It is all covered by the A2 zoning. The land use contract,

[4:07:22] Voice 20: when it was in effect, was strictly for the eight-acre shale mound. And my revised application

[4:07:28] Voice 20: from uh december 31st 2023 was for including some sort of protection that non-farm use buildings

[4:07:42] Voice 20: would only be on the shale mound i do not see that in the proposed bylaw so i agree with wayne

[4:07:49] Voice 20: on that that that was our intent to have that protection in there and uh i would like to see

[4:07:55] Voice 20: that in there once

[4:08:09] Voice 9: for any more speakers i'm

[4:08:16] Voice 17: calling a second time for any more speakers

[4:08:18] Voice 17: i'm

[4:08:23] Voice 9: going to call a third time for any more speakers this

[4:08:30] Voice 17: is now the final opportunity

[4:08:31] Voice 17: for you to hand in a written submission to the local trust committee but

[4:08:36] Voice 9: once this hearing is

[4:08:36] Voice 9: closed no additional submissions will be accepted so

[4:08:43] Voice 17: please be advised that we're now in the post

[4:08:45] Voice 17: public hearing stage of the legislative review of the proposed bylaw 546. Salt Spring Island

[4:08:54] Voice 17: Local Trust Committee can now no longer receive information pertaining to the proposed bylaws

[4:08:58] Voice 17: for which the public hearing has been closed. However, you can still submit any outstanding

[4:09:04] Voice 17: questions and

[4:09:04] Voice 9: comments directly to the staff at the Salt Spring office. The Local Trust Committee

[4:09:10] Voice 17: may

[4:09:10] Voice 9: give further readings to the bylaw or defeat the bylaw or make minor amendments that do not

[4:09:15] Voice 9: affect the use or density without further notice or hearings and that concludes the public hearing

[4:09:27] portion of

[4:09:28] Voice 9: today's meeting

[4:09:30] Voice 16: so

[4:09:35] Voice 9: back

[4:09:38] Voice 12: to our main

[4:09:39] Voice 9: agenda and

[4:09:45] Voice 16: now

[4:09:50] Voice 9: we do have item uh 14.2 outstanding

[4:09:54] Voice 9: standing on our agenda uh shall we proceed to that so i have a different page number than you

[4:10:12] Voice 12: 299 i put

[4:10:14] Voice 12: it on at 326

[4:10:18] Voice 9: oh what fun um and so mr fortino are you presenting on this report yes

[4:10:29] Voice 1: okay

[4:10:30] Voice 9: um

[4:10:32] Voice 1: okay um

[4:10:33] Voice 1: as we're probably aware based on the extensive discussion the application presents a bylaw to

[4:10:40] Voice 1: to amend the Salt Spring Island Land Use By-law No. 355 to permit the current uses on the subject property

[4:10:45] Voice 1: and bring it into compliance with the Land Use By-law at the expiration of the Land Use Contract By-law No. 195.

[4:10:52] Voice 1: This report follows the October 16, 2025 report presented to the LTC where the proposed By-law 546 was read

[4:11:00] Voice 1: a first and second time and staff were directed to schedule a community information meeting and public hearing.

[4:11:06] Voice 1: The community information meeting was held on February 10th, and the public hearing was held today, February 12th.

[4:11:15] Voice 1: An assessment of the proposed application relative to the island's trust policy statement was undertaken, and it was determined that it was consistent with the policy statement.

[4:11:24] Voice 1: The proposed bylaw has been referred to application agencies, APC, AAPC, and First Nation, and generally no concerns were raised regarding the application.

[4:11:37] Voice 1: Staff therefore recommend that following the CIM and public hearing,

[4:11:41] Voice 1: proposed bylaw 546 be read a third time and referenced to EC for approval,

[4:11:46] Voice 1: EC being Executive Committee.

[4:11:48] Voice 1: We have three recommendations on this staff report.

[4:11:51] Voice 1: The first recommendation is that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[4:11:53] Voice 1: has reviewed the Island's Trust Policy Statement Directives Only Checklist

[4:11:57] Voice 1: and determined that bylaw 546 cited as Salt Spring Island Land Use Bylaw

[4:12:02] Voice 1: number 355-1999, amendment number 4-2025.

[4:12:07] Voice 1: is not contrary or at variance with the island's trust policy statement recommendation number two

[4:12:12] Voice 1: that the salt spring island local trust committee bylaw 546 cited as salt spring and island land

[4:12:17] Voice 1: use bylaw number 355 1999 amendment number four 2020 2025 be read a third time and recommendation

[4:12:26] Voice 1: number three that the salt spring island local trust committee bylaw number 546 cited as salt

[4:12:31] Voice 1: Spring Island land use bylaw number 355 1999 amendment number 4 2025 be forwarded to the

[4:12:38] Voice 1: secretary secretary of the island's trust approval for approval of the for approval by the executive

[4:12:45] Voice 1: committee thank

[4:12:49] Voice 16: you trustees what's your pleasure go ahead um

[4:13:01] Voice 15: in our October staff report on this

[4:13:03] Voice 15: project that said that this uh the sale first nation had requested a 30-day extension for

[4:13:09] Voice 15: i'm sorry in the october staff report uh it said that the sale first nation had requested

[4:13:17] Voice 15: a 30-day extension and we're intending to respond to the referral did we not receive

[4:13:25] Voice 15: i mean there's no record of a sale referral that i could see in the package yeah

[4:13:33] Voice 6: i guess uh mr

[4:13:37] Voice 6: so

[4:13:38] Voice 1: um through the chair um my understanding is before i returned to islands trust that this

[4:13:45] Voice 1: request was made um by say out first nation um i did read it in the october 16th staff reports

[4:13:55] Voice 1: i did look and i didn't see any response that i could find mr

[4:14:04] Voice 9: chair i will say that we did um

[4:14:08] Voice 9: we did have a follow-up meeting in october with say our first nation uh you know noting

[4:14:14] of course that we have not received a written submission but um but they did indicate verbally

[4:14:19] Voice 9: that they did um that the plan of the plan of remover was able to explain um i'm sorry i was

[4:14:29] Voice 9: going to another application i'm not sure what what their if they had a response right i'll

[4:14:34] Voice 9: they got that okay everyone all right

[4:14:45] Voice 15: well i guess and then the crd just to understand

[4:14:54] Voice 15: the communications i guess with the referral that they they lost it was that my understanding

[4:15:01] Voice 15: they asked for it again through

[4:15:03] Voice 1: the through the chair um they reached out to us a few days ago

[4:15:07] Voice 1: asking why they weren't referred and as I did previously mention we did go back and look at

[4:15:15] Voice 1: the email from the original referral with all of the referral agencies on there and I cross

[4:15:22] Voice 1: referenced and made sure that it was the correct email that they confirmed a couple of days ago

[4:15:27] Voice 1: I can't speak to why that specific department at the CRD didn't receive it but from our end we did

[4:15:37] Voice 1: we did follow process and and the correct email to send it to you

[4:15:48] Voice 15: go

[4:15:48] Voice 16: ahead this

[4:15:49] Voice 15: conversation we just heard from daryl on the uh shale mound was there a mechanism

[4:15:56] Voice 15: to restrict the buildings to the shale mound within the bylaw or not would there be this is

[4:16:06] Voice 15: the other one you know um

[4:16:12] Voice 12: go ahead mr fatino um

[4:16:15] Voice 1: to through the chair to answer the question from

[4:16:18] Voice 1: trustee patrick um typically we don't see in a zoning bylaw um that level of granularity that

[4:16:29] Voice 1: you know specifically it would be the the site would only be reduced to the shale portion where

[4:16:36] Voice 1: where buildings could be built but there is the opportunity to have that my understanding through

[4:16:42] Voice 1: a 219 covenant but it things get a little bit more complicated because it is on ALR land

[4:16:48] Voice 1: um you can get a covenant on ALR land you just need ALC approval for that so it will be an extra

[4:16:57] Voice 1: step without

[4:17:19] Voice 6: going into the history into that history I don't know who

[4:17:23] Voice 9: you'll provide for that

[4:17:24] Voice 9: and various

[4:17:25] Voice 12: items um should

[4:17:33] Voice 9: you know of course we've also i mean if we we wanted

[4:17:38] additional clarity we could

[4:17:41] Voice 9: defer the decision for a future meeting correct

[4:17:45] Voice 9: yeah we would essentially be bringing information um but i don't know if that would be an issue or

[4:17:52] Voice 9: not would happen again

[4:17:54] Voice 15: my understanding is my understanding is staff can receive

[4:17:58] Voice 15: see information today, you have to decide whether it's material.

[4:18:04] Voice 15: So you can receive more information.

[4:18:12] Voice 15: That's the only, that's my only concern would be,

[4:18:16] Voice 15: I'd like to know that we close the door with communications

[4:18:21] Voice 15: with the SAIL First Nation.

[4:18:26] Voice 15: So that's my sincere, I can't talk this year.

[4:18:34] Voice 9: trustee harris

[4:18:35] Voice 9: you have something for i'm

[4:18:37] Voice 13: just pretty confused here um i don't understand

[4:18:42] Voice 13: i really don't understand what's going on correct me if i'm wrong the applicant

[4:18:49] Voice 13: isn't in favor of this application in the way it is is that what i'm picking up

[4:18:56] Voice 6: i did not hear that i think the

[4:19:04] Voice 13: applicant wants the application changed is that what i heard

[4:19:06] Voice 13: No, Mr. Chair, Mr. Janik provided some background and just spoke briefly to the history and what this proposal amounts to in terms of

[4:19:24] Voice 9: how it fits into the existing land use bylaw and what's being requested here.

[4:19:30] Voice 13: well this is where i'm highly confused because i've heard something about a covenant

[4:19:35] Voice 13: alr we you know the recommendations were to move ahead with this but i i swear i heard the

[4:19:41] Voice 13: applicant say something where he wasn't happy with the way this application was written is

[4:19:46] Voice 13: that what i heard or am i am i wrong it's on the recording

[4:19:52] Voice 9: something to do with the shale mount but

[4:19:55] Voice 9: i i didn't hear i didn't hear the applicant say they didn't want to proceed

[4:20:02] Voice 9: but

[4:20:03] Voice 13: they want it changed

[4:20:05] Voice 13: Mr.

[4:20:08] Voice 17: Fertino has his head up

[4:20:09] Voice 17: Mr. Harris so maybe he's got something

[4:20:11] Voice 17: to offer here for you

[4:20:14] Voice 1: yeah through the chair

[4:20:16] Voice 1: I'll preface this by saying that

[4:20:18] Voice 1: Mr. Janik

[4:20:20] Voice 1: is here so he can speak to this

[4:20:22] Voice 1: as well he's online

[4:20:24] Voice 1: but I think

[4:20:25] Voice 1: my interpretation of what he was saying was that

[4:20:28] Voice 1: he understood the concern with

[4:20:30] Voice 1: the shale portion

[4:20:32] Voice 1: but he was saying that it was it was always their intention to only build on there anyways

[4:20:39] Voice 1: but he may be in favor of some sort of protection in that but I don't know if he was saying that he

[4:20:45] Voice 1: wants to change the application I

[4:20:52] Voice 9: just want to respect around the post public hearing portion

[4:20:57] Voice 9: and I'm not sure I want to be clear whether hearing from the applicant is appropriate at

[4:21:03] Voice 9: this point i believe mr chair it would not be against the rules to ask mr janet if he does not

[4:21:12] Voice 9: wish to proceed with this application at this time so that's like we can ask him do you wish

[4:21:17] Voice 9: to proceed with this application at this time um for clarity um and that would be just a yes or no

[4:21:26] Voice 6: yeah i know i

[4:21:27] Voice 9: just i just want to be conscious that we don't allow space for anything that might

[4:21:31] Voice 9: by contravening the public hearing new rules.

[4:21:36] Voice 9: Yeah, I mean, if you wanna be very strict about it,

[4:21:42] Voice 9: you've all listened to submissions and read submissions

[4:21:44] Voice 9: and the discussion you're having now is whether or not

[4:21:50] Voice 9: to give third reading or you've got that question before you.

[4:21:56] So what you've taken from today individually

[4:22:00] and how that affects your discussion

[4:22:02] discussion um is is really

[4:22:04] Voice 9: for each of you to determine um that's

[4:22:09] Voice 13: answered my question i you

[4:22:10] Voice 13: know i had a reason for asking that and if it if it's the case that the applicant doesn't want this

[4:22:17] Voice 13: application changed then i'm prepared to go ahead with the record read the recommendations as a

[4:22:23] Voice 13: written from um the planner and otherwise i'm prepared to do the alternate and defeat it

[4:22:30] Voice 13: so if it's the case that he doesn't want to change then let's move ahead and uh and have the readings

[4:22:36] Voice 13: of the recommendations okay

[4:22:41] Voice 6: thank you for that clarity um so uh okay so uh mr john if you could

[4:22:52] Voice 6: just uh stick to indicating uh

[4:22:55] Voice 17: whether or not you wanted to proceed with the um

[4:22:59] Voice 9: application

[4:23:00] Voice 9: application and just stick to that, then please let us know.

[4:23:06] Voice 20: Okay, my comment was to add an additional level

[4:23:12] Voice 20: of protection if the trustees felt that was required.

[4:23:17] Voice 17: So can you get, sorry, I'm just going to interrupt you

[4:23:20] Voice 17: because I want to be clear that we're sticking

[4:23:22] Voice 17: to the public hearing rules.

[4:23:25] Voice 17: So the question was whether or not you wanted to proceed

[4:23:28] Voice 17: with the application at this time.

[4:23:29] Voice 17: so you could just give a yes or no yes

[4:23:32] Voice 20: to proceed okay

[4:23:34] Voice 9: thank you okay uh we have uh over to trust

[4:23:42] Voice 15: that's it i'm fine with proceeding except for the statement from that and what it said in the

[4:23:51] Voice 15: october report was the sale first nation was requested a 30-day extension of the referral

[4:23:56] Voice 15: period in order to consider the application at a meeting with their leadership as they believe

[4:24:01] Voice 15: that the proposed amendment is likely to adversely affect

[4:24:04] Voice 15: their rights and their title interests.

[4:24:08] Voice 15: The recent meeting staff advised that they intend

[4:24:12] Voice 15: to articulate these concerns in a referral response.

[4:24:16] Voice 15: So that's why I'm asking.

[4:24:19] Voice 15: It'd be nice to have known that this was circled back to.

[4:24:24] Voice 15: Mr.

[4:24:27] Voice 9: Chair, yes, LTC may, if they prefer,

[4:24:31] Voice 9: defer third reading for the March meeting.

[4:24:34] Voice 9: We can follow up on these things.

[4:24:36] Voice 9: If they're not material, then we'll bring them.

[4:24:39] Voice 9: But there is a risk.

[4:24:41] If there are additional requests, requirements,

[4:24:45] there is a risk that we would

[4:24:48] Voice 9: need to have another public hearing

[4:24:49] Voice 9: in order to present new information.

[4:24:52] Voice 9: New information understood, yes.

[4:24:54] Voice 9: That is a risk.

[4:24:56] Voice 9: If we deferred a month, we could possibly defer a month, although also if we have new

[4:25:04] Voice 9: information to provide you, but you do want to hear that information, then we would have

[4:25:09] Voice 9: to be directed to schedule another public hearing.

[4:25:14] Voice 9: Understood.

[4:25:15] Voice 9: I

[4:25:20] Voice 13: raised my hand again just for clarification.

[4:25:22] Voice 6: Sorry, go ahead.

[4:25:23] Voice 6: Sorry, go ahead, Trustee Harris.

[4:25:25] Voice 13: I'm prepared to read the recommendations if they'll be heard.

[4:25:32] Voice 6: If I may, Mr. Chair, if you consider

[4:25:34] Voice 9: the recommendations now and you defeat that motion, you are effectively

[4:25:38] defeating the bylaw.

[4:25:40] Voice 9: Correct.

[4:25:41] Voice 9: I would suggest that you consider the moderate approach first, not to dissuade Mr. Harris,

[4:25:50] Voice 9: but to make a motion that would essentially, if that motion did not pass, the application

[4:25:55] Voice 9: would be not passed.

[4:25:59] Voice 17: Correct.

[4:26:00] Voice 17: All right, so with respect to that, Trustee Barras,

[4:26:04] Voice 9: I just would ask you to hold off on a motion here.

[4:26:07] Voice 9: I know that there's some concern

[4:26:14] Voice 9: about whether the First Nations referral

[4:26:21] Voice 9: is something that we could,

[4:26:22] Voice 9: response is something that we could be expecting or not.

[4:26:26] Voice 9: Deferral as opposed to defeating the bylaw, of course,

[4:26:29] Voice 9: is um uh not nearly so uh severe in terms of the applicant and the application and the and the

[4:26:37] Voice 9: staff time um so that

[4:26:41] Voice 13: respectfully um i'm not going to read it the second but um it's my belief

[4:26:48] Voice 13: that we have had the public hearings we've heard from all the referrals we are not obligated

[4:26:52] Voice 13: to extend any referrals to anybody and with that that leads me to the you know being in support of

[4:27:01] Voice 13: of reading these recommendations and getting this thing passed?

[4:27:04] Voice 6: Understood.

[4:27:08] Voice 13: Maybe I could get clarification.

[4:27:09] Voice 13: Are we legally obligated to extend referral time to anybody?

[4:27:14] Voice 13: That's the question for the planning manager.

[4:27:18] Voice 9: We are not obligated to provide extensions.

[4:27:21] As a matter of course, we expect that with any government ministry

[4:27:26] Voice 9: or service provider, if an extension is requested,

[4:27:30] Voice 9: we typically want to honor that and maintain a good working relationship.

[4:27:36] Voice 13: okay well with that um you know and what the planning manager had said earlier as to there's

[4:27:41] Voice 13: a risk to that um you know i really um appreciate the work that's been done on this thus far and

[4:27:50] Voice 13: we are completely within our our legal boundaries to go ahead and read these recommendations today

[4:27:56] Voice 13: and um and be in favor of them and pass them and so with that that leads me to want to read these

[4:28:02] Voice 13: now, if they'll be heard.

[4:28:07] Voice 17: I understood.

[4:28:08] Voice 17: Trustee Patrick, did you have something to add?

[4:28:11] Voice 15: I have no

[4:28:12] Voice 15: problem with that logic, except for

[4:28:14] Voice 15: the word in this

[4:28:16] Voice 15: October report. I don't understand why

[4:28:18] Voice 15: this wasn't followed up with more

[4:28:22] Voice 15: before

[4:28:22] Voice 15: this point. That's what's frustrating.

[4:28:27] Voice 15: Those

[4:28:28] Voice 15: were strong words in the October report,

[4:28:30] Voice 15: and that's my only concern, because I would

[4:28:32] Voice 15: like to know that there was follow-up. That's

[4:28:33] Voice 15: my only concern.

[4:28:35] Voice 15: We are building relationships.

[4:28:37] Voice 15: We had that posted to us in the report from staff.

[4:28:42] Voice 15: And we have no answer.

[4:28:45] Voice 15: That's my only concern.

[4:28:48] Voice 15: And I look to you on how you feel about that, I guess.

[4:28:52] Voice 15: Yeah.

[4:28:53] Voice 13: I don't feel concerned with that, honestly, at this point.

[4:28:57] Voice 13: I think all our legal requirements have been met.

[4:28:59] Voice 13: And the staff has done a fine job.

[4:29:01] Voice 13: And with that, I'm prepared to read this and go ahead with this application.

[4:29:07] Voice 17: Okay, understood, Trustee Harris.

[4:29:11] Voice 17: I

[4:29:15] Voice 9: know we've been back at it for a couple hours.

[4:29:19] Voice 9: I actually think that I would like to call a 10-minute recess, and then we'll return to this consideration.

[4:29:29] Voice 9: So let's come back here at 2.11.

[4:42:52] Voice 16: determine okay

[4:42:53] Voice 6: folks can i um folks can

[4:42:58] Voice 12: i ask you

[4:42:59] Voice 6: to uh take your seats again please

[4:43:09] Voice 9: okay so we are back uh from our break we were considering whether to proceed or

[4:43:21] Voice 9: defer to trustees patrick did you have a you had a motion for us

[4:43:31] Voice 15: yes i i do i moved at the

[4:43:34] Voice 15: the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[4:43:36] Voice 15: defer KLRZ20240021, I think I got the numbers correctly,

[4:43:43] Voice 15: to March 19th, 2026,

[4:43:45] Voice 15: Local Trust Committee meeting to have staff follow up

[4:43:48] Voice 15: with outstanding First Nation referrals

[4:43:50] Voice 15: and advise the LTC on how to proceed.

[4:43:53] Voice 9: Okay, I'll second the motion and discussion.

[4:43:59] Voice 6: Trustee Harris?

[4:44:00] Voice 13: Yeah, I won't get, I'm opposed to that.

[4:44:04] Voice 13: um i think it risks um it's not going through this has already been a number of years

[4:44:09] Voice 13: in the making and um for that i will be opposed to this motion thank

[4:44:17] Voice 6: you trustee patrick um

[4:44:20] Voice 15: yeah i think we're trying to very clarify the the uh what we're asking about that manages the risk

[4:44:27] Voice 15: this is this is about the rest of our relationships that we're building with first nations and uh

[4:44:34] Voice 15: and so just making sure we close that loop.

[4:44:37] Voice 15: I'm sorry it hadn't been done before today,

[4:44:40] Voice 15: and that was the purpose for this.

[4:44:45] Voice 6: Trustee Harris, something you'd add?

[4:44:48] Voice 13: I don't believe that this does risk damaging any relationship

[4:44:53] Voice 13: with any First Nations.

[4:44:56] Voice 13: It's my strong belief that this does not damage

[4:45:03] Voice 13: damage or risk damaging any relationship all our legal requirements have been met

[4:45:08] Voice 13: and this has been years in the making and if anything this risks all the work that has been

[4:45:14] Voice 13: done thus far and with that i'm opposed to this motion and i would be opposed to moving this

[4:45:21] Voice 13: forward today thank you and

[4:45:25] Voice 17: thank you for that um i would just add that uh to me this motion

[4:45:33] speaks to

[4:45:34] Voice 17: caution this local trust committee has been working very hard to build relationships

[4:45:41] Voice 17: trust council

[4:45:43] Voice 9: itself has a reconciliation declaration I think that the potential

[4:45:54] Voice 17: Any potential for harm is enough to convince me that to wait until our next meeting to

[4:46:05] Voice 9: be sure that we've had those adequate responses is more precautionary than proceeding today and risking the relationship that we haven't attempted to work on very carefully over the last couple of years, especially.

[4:46:24] Voice 9: And so I'm currently in favor of the motion. I don't think it causes a risk to the application itself and I'll leave it there and Trustee Harris, do you have something further?

[4:46:40] Voice 13: Yeah, I'd like to ask the planning manager a question, please.

[4:46:43] Voice 13: Certainly, go ahead.

[4:46:44] Voice 13: You mentioned earlier that there would be a risk to doing what is being proposed in this motion earlier in the meeting. Could you expand on that, please?

[4:46:54] Voice 13: Yeah.

[4:46:57] Voice 6: Basically, if the, if say a First Nation, like if a First Nation did have concerns,

[4:47:07] Voice 9: then we would have to come back and give you that information, right? In that case,

[4:47:13] Voice 9: LTC would then have received that information after the public hearing. And so the, in order

[4:47:21] Voice 9: to stay within the bounds of our legal obligation we would need to then schedule a second public

[4:47:27] Voice 9: hearing if for

[4:47:29] Voice 9: example um we don't find any outstanding request or requirement to materially

[4:47:34] Voice 9: change what you've received um this we would simply advise you to um to read this bylaw a

[4:47:41] Voice 9: third time in march and proceed thank you for that advice so there is fair as risk there but

[4:47:48] Voice 9: but it's not guaranteed risk.

[4:47:52] Voice 13: Thank you, so I'm still opposed to this

[4:47:55] Voice 13: because of that risk that is, they're involved.

[4:48:02] Voice 9: Understood, anything further?

[4:48:09] Voice 9: Not seeing any, I will call the question.

[4:48:12] Voice 9: All those in favor and any opposed?

[4:48:18] Voice 9: And the motion carries.

[4:48:20] Voice 9: So this will be deferred to the March 19th meeting.

[4:48:24] Voice 9: Back to agenda that then takes us

[4:48:38] Voice 9: through we didn't go through all of 15 uh 15.3 we didn't yet oh we didn't hit 15.2 either actually

[4:48:49] Voice 9: 15.1 and two are consideration

[4:48:54] Voice 17: for the special meeting yeah okay so uh so it's 15.3 then

[4:49:01] Voice 9: and that is the uh project advisory planning commission meeting resolutions and that's page

[4:49:07] Voice 9: page 52 of the addendum to staff

[4:49:17] Voice 16: so um it is our to uh provide you with a quick memo

[4:49:28] of the um when when resolutions are passed by the agency

[4:49:34] Voice 12: they're coming from development

[4:49:37] Voice 12: applications just a moment thank

[4:49:41] Voice 16: you everyone for coming that's right thank you so typically

[4:49:49] Voice 9: Typically, you're getting that in the context

[4:49:51] Voice 9: of a development application response.

[4:49:54] Voice 9: The PAPC, it's really with the progress of the OCPWB.

[4:50:00] Voice 9: And those resolutions are usually advisory on things

[4:50:06] that fit within the terms of that planning commission.

[4:50:12] There were three resolutions passed, the

[4:50:15] Voice 9: last two PAPCs,

[4:50:20] Voice 9: are are introducing some risk and uncertainty um to the project team uh in terms of advancing this

[4:50:28] work um and are do not appear to be advisory so um staff have not tried to capture this

[4:50:37] Voice 9: conversation as best we can um but um the essentially what we're looking for here is

[4:50:46] Voice 9: your impressions on some some we're looking for some direction on um interpretation in terms of

[4:50:52] Voice 9: reference we've had a number of conversations those terms include and do

[4:50:56] Voice 9: not include um

[4:50:58] Voice 9: without uh you know the conversation keeps coming up um it might be it should not be coming up

[4:51:07] repeatedly um so that's an issue

[4:51:10] Voice 9: that we are dealing with um so we we've sought specifically

[4:51:16] Voice 9: specifically on the first resolution,

[4:51:17] Voice 9: which is around the terms of reference

[4:51:19] Voice 9: that the LTC confirm its expectations

[4:51:23] Voice 9: regarding how the PAPC terms of reference

[4:51:25] Voice 9: are to be applied,

[4:51:26] Voice 9: particularly in relation to the PAPC's role

[4:51:29] Voice 9: in public engagement communications,

[4:51:31] Voice 9: the PAPC's role in reviewing draft technical

[4:51:34] Voice 9: or policy analysis,

[4:51:35] Voice 9: and how PAPC advice is intended

[4:51:39] Voice 9: to inform project delivery moving forward.

[4:51:44] Voice 9: that's the first resolution and if LPC wants to have that conversation right now we can do that

[4:51:53] trustee preference one at a time one at a time okay so let's focus on the first resolution

[4:52:00] I think

[4:52:17] Voice 15: you know our overall goal is we have a project team which consists of our staff and

[4:52:24] Voice 15: a consultant that supports staff and we've got a project advisory planning commission

[4:52:32] Voice 15: that is is supported there to support overall or to answer the questions here

[4:52:41] Voice 15: i think what's you know i think we want to be in everything as a team team moving forward our

[4:52:47] Voice 15: goal is to move a project forward into the community that is as best as we can

[4:52:56] Voice 15: and under the guidance of staff and the consultant and i think it's utilizing this group

[4:53:04] Voice 15: to the best of its abilities and that each and every meeting should be held with purpose

[4:53:14] Voice 15: and that the team is coming forward for specific advice

[4:53:21] Voice 15: on what aspect they've got before them is how I see this.

[4:53:26] Voice 15: So depending on where the team is,

[4:53:30] Voice 15: because I'm not in the, I don't have,

[4:53:32] Voice 15: we're further away than the Advisory Planning Commission is from this work.

[4:53:37] Voice 15: um that like i said my expectation is that information would be brought forward you know

[4:53:48] Voice 15: engagement is is broad engagement you know some some sometimes i would expect you could have

[4:53:54] Voice 15: technical work that you're needing to engage on and and you may be asking how how does this

[4:54:00] Voice 15: is this just too technical to be something you'd want to publicize or or not or the technical

[4:54:08] Voice 15: of information is background information

[4:54:10] Voice 15: to the engagement that you're doing.

[4:54:11] Voice 15: So I think it's just being,

[4:54:13] Voice 15: the team needs to be very clear

[4:54:15] Voice 15: into when it's presenting something

[4:54:17] Voice 15: to the Advisory Planning Commission,

[4:54:21] Voice 15: what the purpose of that material is

[4:54:23] Voice 15: and what are the specific asks

[4:54:25] Voice 15: that the team wants feedback on.

[4:54:31] Voice 15: I think that's fair to everybody.

[4:54:34] Voice 15: And I can understand the committee

[4:54:37] Voice 15: The committee may at times think, well, it wants more than that, but I think the team, the project team, needs to be strategic and ask for what it wants.

[4:54:50] I think it's fair to say that the team took that note. We understand that we can explain the purpose of these meetings better.

[4:55:00] Um, what, what we are

[4:55:05] Voice 9: somewhat, what's been somewhat of something of a concern that it

[4:55:08] Voice 9: causes for, um, a contract and a timeline budget to deliver these things.

[4:55:17] Um, and we, we want to keep that intact as much as possible.

[4:55:24] Um, the, the recommendations to LTC, ideally we should be bringing you, um,

[4:55:31] Voice 9: you know, the

[4:55:33] Voice 9: the LDC discussed this, and there are a number of minutes.

[4:55:36] Voice 9: There's a lot of information, a few minutes, about what was discussed

[4:55:40] Voice 9: and what was suggested. What there isn't

[4:55:45] is a clear endorsement or endorsement of the amendments.

[4:55:51] And we have fielded in the past

[4:55:53] recommendations to

[4:55:55] Voice 9: call for or change the pacing

[4:55:58] Voice 9: or, in some cases, the technical details of this

[4:56:02] Voice 9: um in a way that you know even despite the fact that it's an abc in the direction when you come

[4:56:11] from lgc to do so um it still introduces uncertainty um and does give us we can come

[4:56:17] back and divert energy towards um coming to this this discuss these things um in order to keep

[4:56:26] moving forward or making the choice to move forward um regardless depending on the timing

[4:56:34] Voice 9: So, we just want to make sure that we have a clear understanding here of the PAPC's role as, you know, they, you know, we do expect that when we do have draft, we have draft OCD, that the PAPC will review that product of providing input and recommendations to LTC.

[4:56:54] Voice 9: That is the project in understanding of the terms that engagement is focused on the strategic

[4:57:04] Voice 9: approach, but that the technical detail and designing surveys are the one thing that they

[4:57:12] are to somewhat scale, they're designed to both meet the intentions of engagement,

[4:57:16] to gather input that we can then take in an economically feasible way and put into

[4:57:24] Voice 9: a report

[4:57:26] Voice 9: to study what we heard.

[4:57:27] Voice 9: And that's accurate, and I know that sometimes people want to provide through different methods,

[4:57:35] but those really do have

[4:57:37] Voice 9: implications in terms of the design concept, their quality and their

[4:57:44] assurance.

[4:57:44] that's those are the things that I think we're looking to confirm here just so in

[4:57:51] Voice 9: this first one yeah it's really just that the PAPC is not like they can't

[4:58:00] Voice 9: have a they should not be having an impact on the delivery of this project

[4:58:04] Voice 9: in terms of the pacing of budgeting of it the expectations of what what

[4:58:10] Voice 9: specific tools are that that their their role in public engagement includes you

[4:58:19] Voice 9: know um feedback on our approaches and talked about what we're presenting out here um but

[4:58:26] Voice 9: getting further into like words on that or direction well right

[4:58:41] Voice 15: i would the generally

[4:58:45] Voice 15: i back up what you're saying is that um you know the team needs to use the group in the timing that

[4:58:50] Voice 15: it has to fit in i mean that's you have to fit within the project that you have contracted

[4:58:56] Voice 15: did someone to do and the money that you've been given we understand that and i think um and i

[4:59:03] Voice 15: think just helping the the advisory planning commission understand that better it takes

[4:59:10] Voice 15: us one of us to talk to them or not and then um really structuring those agenda packages to be

[4:59:17] Voice 15: crystal clear i think is what i'm hearing from the committee is they they just need to be clear that

[4:59:22] Voice 15: with something technical to put to them why is that there in terms of what they're being asked

[4:59:28] to provide feedback on so they don't be

[4:59:33] Voice 15: confused by

[4:59:34] Voice 12: that that's all yeah so i think that that kind

[4:59:36] Voice 12: of piece is

[4:59:37] Voice 9: something we want to report through um is that is there any other feedback from

[4:59:43] Voice 15: trustee

[4:59:43] Voice 9: harris i was

[4:59:45] Voice 15: just gonna say it's the old storming forming warming so you gotta move

[4:59:48] Voice 15: through storming and get into forming and i hope we can get into that quickly

[4:59:52] Voice 13: trustee harris go

[4:59:54] Voice 13: Go ahead.

[4:59:55] Voice 13: This is what I was afraid of early in the term.

[5:00:00] Voice 13: And, you know, it just proves what I've said and been saying from the beginning.

[5:00:05] Voice 13: It proves me right.

[5:00:08] Voice 13: We've got this, whatever you want to call it, PAPC, you know, an unelected body that we're putting all this weight into for the OCP.

[5:00:21] Voice 13: Meanwhile, people are having to leave the island.

[5:00:24] Voice 13: People are losing their homes.

[5:00:25] Voice 13: they're living in and and you know um you know not illegal dwellings if you want to put it like

[5:00:33] Voice 13: that um we could have we could have done so much and here we are near the end of the terms exactly

[5:00:41] Voice 13: what i was afraid of i said this right from the beginning proves me right and um honestly i'm

[5:00:46] Voice 13: disgusted i'm utterly disgusted by what i've seen thus far this term i'll leave it there so um

[5:01:04] Voice 9: Reading through the report, yeah, I think it's important to emphasize.

[5:01:15] Voice 9: If

[5:01:16] Voice 13: I may, if I may, Mr. Chair, please let me emphasize,

[5:01:19] Voice 13: I'm not putting this on staff shoulders either.

[5:01:22] Voice 13: This isn't, okay, thank you.

[5:01:25] Voice 13: And I hope staff here is that loud and clear.

[5:01:28] Voice 9: Yeah, thank you.

[5:01:29] Voice 9: Thank you for that.

[5:01:33] Voice 9: Yeah,

[5:01:33] Voice 6: that the PAPC is intended to play an important

[5:01:41] Voice 9: advisory and community connection role, but also that the project relies on a clear separation between the policy direction from the local trust committee, the project management deliverables led by the staff and consultant team, and the advisory input, the outreach support from the PAPC.

[5:02:00] Voice 9: that, in fact, the PAPC is intended to provide specific types of support.

[5:02:11] Voice 9: And in terms of the report here requesting clear direction,

[5:02:32] obviously we need

[5:02:33] Voice 9: to adhere to the project timelines and budget.

[5:02:35] Voice 9: We need to understand and have a shared understanding of the governance roles.

[5:02:43] Voice 9: We want efficient delivery of the communications and engagement plan.

[5:02:49] Voice 9: We want to hear from the PAPC, but we want to hear from the PAPC on those areas which they're being asked to provide that feedback.

[5:03:02] Voice 9: back um i guess one

[5:03:07] Voice 17: example strays a little bit beyond the first resolution into you know the

[5:03:11] Voice 17: second resolution which is recommending an approach that um uh that the consultants have um

[5:03:21] Voice 9: made clear was not

[5:03:23] Voice 17: supportable uh by the project team which would be some type of a town hall

[5:03:28] Voice 17: i know this committee had a pretty extensive conversation with the with the project

[5:03:35] Voice 9: uh consultants around that um uh

[5:03:40] Voice 17: certainly going into that conversation that we had with

[5:03:44] Voice 17: them i was you know asked a number of questions about uh

[5:03:49] Voice 9: about town hall and sort of why not and

[5:03:52] Voice 9: and um despite my influence

[5:03:55] Voice 17: sort of inclinations going in i i mean i came out

[5:04:01] Voice 17: of that conversation

[5:04:01] Voice 17: um having a pretty clear understanding of

[5:04:06] Voice 9: why they were recommending against that approach

[5:04:09] Voice 9: um and so

[5:04:17] Voice 17: yeah i can see that you know post that having the papc recommend something that's been

[5:04:23] Voice 17: identified as not in the plan is uh you

[5:04:31] Voice 9: know maybe cause uh for concern um but what i guess

[5:04:40] Voice 9: what i'm looking for is in terms of the direction that staff would like uh from the local trust

[5:04:49] Voice 9: committee um i mean i know that there's that the direction sought is you know around the roles um

[5:05:09] Voice 9: uh and i guess this this committee needs to maybe understand a little bit that you know maybe a

[5:05:19] Voice 9: little bit of expansion um from staff if you could on on these points and um expansion on

[5:05:27] Voice 9: the direction that you're looking for would be helpful i think i think mainly um you know we

[5:05:33] hired a few experts um set up a scope that requires us to to deliver inclusive um that

[5:05:43] Voice 9: that really uh involves going to where people are we've heard the argument that people don't want

[5:05:52] Voice 9: be bothered and that's you know we're not looking to bother but we're looking to find people that

[5:05:58] Voice 9: are um you know really willing to participate right like this um but maybe not necessarily

[5:06:05] come out to this room on a

[5:06:08] Voice 9: saturday afternoon or a thursday evening um then we're we're looking for

[5:06:15] Voice 9: those people in communities in the places that they are um and i think that's really what the

[5:06:21] Voice 9: bottom line of what we've had for a recommendation or that inclusive process um you know our open

[5:06:27] Voice 9: format here requires to impose a number of ways of accumulation like they're designed to ensure

[5:06:33] Voice 9: that people feel safe enough and still it can be a very intimidating fire for some um and we want

[5:06:40] Voice 9: to hear all points of view i think that's where the struggle with the the benefit of a town hall

[5:06:48] Voice 9: and the you know along along with that the safety of you know a good a good tool for for speaking

[5:07:01] truth to power but this is public engagement we're just here to hear input hear from people

[5:07:07] without any agenda really a process we want to undertake if

[5:07:15] Voice 9: we want to it's a based on a sincere

[5:07:18] Voice 9: desire to hear from the community um our concern is that the town hall simply doesn't um i think

[5:07:28] ltc was to say you know gosh we want a town hall

[5:07:33] Voice 9: uh at this point because you have the resolution

[5:07:35] Voice 9: requesting town hall um we the project team does not recommend it because it would get going

[5:07:42] Voice 9: the other work that he's doing to gather this input better serves the benefit of the yeah so

[5:08:02] Voice 9: i guess i mean in terms of the i guess the direction for this committee um is what i'm

[5:08:09] Voice 9: looking at because as i say when when we spoke with the ltc spoke with the consultants we've

[5:08:16] Voice 9: already had that that conversation about town hall uh we took their advice um notwithstanding that

[5:08:25] Voice 9: the uh that the pabc uh has passed a recommendation to hold some kind of town hall um

[5:08:46] Voice 12: I

[5:08:46] Voice 9: guess for me, in terms of, you know, the PAPC is welcome to make whatever kind of recommendation

[5:08:59] Voice 9: they want, of course, but I'm just trying to get at what it is that staff needs from

[5:09:07] Voice 9: us at this point uh around uh around direction i i think that the real direction we need right

[5:09:15] Voice 9: here is is just the confirmation that they're living tomorrow okay that's a bit more clear

[5:09:23] Voice 9: okay thank you trustee patrick i

[5:09:26] Voice 15: think that this is like carton horse um because i did listen to

[5:09:31] Voice 15: this meeting i was i was there um or i was listening to it um there was no there wasn't

[5:09:39] Voice 15: the engagement piece of what we're trying to engage into this was sort of like the tool

[5:09:43] without the engagement so i mean i want to trust the team to come up with the right the approach

[5:09:51] Voice 15: and we haven't even seen what what is the next phase the intention of it what's going to be

[5:09:58] Voice 15: out there engaged on i haven't even seen yeah so that's why i said it's kind of a carton horse

[5:10:04] Voice 15: issue i don't see what the desires are for engagement and um um and our desires were that

[5:10:14] Voice 15: we try to get the expansive voices that we need to hear from um so i think it's really

[5:10:26] Voice 15: again encouraging the committee to respond to what's being asked of them at the

[5:10:31] Voice 16: time uh

[5:10:45] Voice 9: refer to trustees i i will note you're not the chair of the papc um but would you do you want

[5:10:53] Voice 9: to hear from vaccine at this point i

[5:10:55] Voice 15: think we need to wrestle on this okay

[5:10:58] Voice 9: that's at this point

[5:11:04] Voice 16: so

[5:11:11] Voice 9: yeah so in terms of of direction um

[5:11:16] Voice 12: yeah

[5:11:17] Voice 9: i i heard i heard loud and clear when we spoke to

[5:11:21] Voice 9: consultants of their thoughts on on town hall and i will say that uh that having had that

[5:11:28] Voice 9: conversation with them i came out of that conversation with an understanding of why

[5:11:36] Voice 9: why their recommendations were to not proceed in that matter.

[5:11:41] Voice 9: And I accept that.

[5:11:46] Voice 9: So I don't have any particular concerns.

[5:11:49] Voice 9: I understand that as Trustee Patrick said,

[5:11:52] Voice 9: we do have a bit of a deficit of information

[5:11:54] Voice 9: as the local trust committee at this point

[5:11:56] Voice 9: about what that next part of the plan looks like.

[5:12:00] Voice 9: We did approve the extension of the consultation period,

[5:12:06] Voice 9: period, but

[5:12:09] Voice 9: we've got a bit of

[5:12:10] Voice 9: slight bit of

[5:12:12] Voice 9: information deficit at this point.

[5:12:16] Voice 9: I think

[5:12:16] Voice 9: that's a totally fair

[5:12:18] position to take.

[5:12:20] I think it's

[5:12:22] you're aware that this resolution's been made.

[5:12:25] This advice to you

[5:12:26] has been provided.

[5:12:28] We'll have a special

[5:12:31] conversation

[5:12:32] with Matt.

[5:12:33] If we could get ahead of it,

[5:12:36] it would be nice but um we can talk

[5:12:39] Voice 9: about it as well yeah i mean we are looking towards that

[5:12:44] Voice 9: special meeting uh trustee harris i see your hands up go ahead thank

[5:12:48] Voice 13: you again um i've been

[5:12:53] Voice 13: more than proven right by what i had been saying earlier in the term in regards to the papc and the

[5:12:58] Voice 13: ocp lub and at this point we've got i don't know eight months left if that in this term and in my

[5:13:07] Voice 13: view it's still the same and now that i've been proven right from what we've heard from the

[5:13:11] Voice 13: consultants and um and what our public engagement has been and and this giant quagmire of nothingness

[5:13:19] Voice 13: that we've gotten in this ocp thing so far we should terminate the ocp and leb project

[5:13:26] Voice 13: completely terminate the pacp and start with some zoning that we can get done by the end of

[5:13:32] Voice 13: the term that would allow for workforce ownership housing to be built and in and covenanted for that

[5:13:37] Voice 13: so it's not free market like we can do that we can actually get something done we keep going down

[5:13:42] Voice 13: this road we're getting nothing done and i'll be proven right 100 200 000 right and what i was

[5:13:48] Voice 13: saying early in earlier in the term and i'd love to make that motion if it would be heard today to

[5:13:54] Voice 13: to terminate everything um the ocp lub and the pa pc and i'm sure i'm messing up though that

[5:14:03] Voice 13: those acronyms there, and to start an initiative to create zoning

[5:14:09] Voice 13: for workforce ownership housing, if it would be heard.

[5:14:13] Voice 17: Okay, well,

[5:14:14] Voice 9: I understand where you're coming from.

[5:14:17] Voice 9: However, we're considering the request for direction from staff at this point.

[5:14:25] Voice 13: That was my request.

[5:14:27] Voice 13: I understand

[5:14:28] Voice 9: that's where you want to go.

[5:14:31] Voice 9: I want to focus a little bit more on what's in this report.

[5:14:36] Voice 13: That is what I'm focusing on. Exactly that. All of this. It's doing nothing for us. I don't think you do.

[5:14:46] Voice 17: No, I heard you loud and clear. You want to stop the project and that is one

[5:14:53] Voice 9: approach. However, I want to look a little bit more at the request from staff right now. So appreciate your thoughts.

[5:15:07] Voice 9: Okay, so we know we're going to have that meeting. Is there more you think that you want us?

[5:15:15] Voice 9: was there what else would you like to drill into anything more on this today on the second

[5:15:20] Voice 9: on the second resolution i think i'm happy to wait until the uh the special meeting uh that's

[5:15:28] Voice 9: fine yeah i think that's a fair comment uh and

[5:15:33] Voice 7: anything else in uh in advance of that meeting

[5:15:38] Voice 7: that from this report that you want from which specifically from

[5:15:44] Voice 9: this report yeah there is a

[5:15:45] Voice 9: third resolution um and it this one here just goes back to um you know i think the first round

[5:15:53] of engagement um that we did the we didn't provide the engagement materials um in advance um and i

[5:16:03] mean that that's an oversight on my part uh the

[5:16:05] Voice 9: certainly reasonable that you know the members

[5:16:09] Voice 9: Members of the PAPC as well as LTC members should be champions of participation in this project.

[5:16:18] Voice 9: You know, not getting involved in the nitty-gritty of the project,

[5:16:24] Voice 9: but championing and making sure that everybody participates in engagement opportunities.

[5:16:36] Voice 9: And in order to do that, I think that it's helpful to provide the committee and LPC with all materials, the opportunity to ask questions so that they can do that, the chair of committee.

[5:16:54] Voice 9: This recommendation here, so we've taken that note, we've committed to doing that in the PAPC as well.

[5:17:00] Voice 9: Well, the PAPC passed this resolution here that requests the local trust committee advise staff to submit written outreach materials to the project advisory planning commission in advance for comments and suggestions.

[5:17:13] You will see in the communications committee.

[5:17:18] The

[5:17:19] Voice 9: communications plan especially involves a very large variety of tools and communication materials.

[5:17:26] Voice 9: So comments and suggestions gets into wordsmithing, et cetera.

[5:17:32] Voice 9: So I think that staff and the project team

[5:17:34] Voice 9: is on board with this resolution,

[5:17:36] Voice 9: except for the notion of taking comments and suggestions.

[5:17:40] Voice 9: It's ideally LPC would say, these

[5:17:45] are what you're expecting to do.

[5:17:47] You're expecting to product,

[5:17:50] expecting to be reviewed.

[5:17:52] Voice 9: And when those come out, we'll

[5:17:54] Voice 9: support you

[5:17:56] Voice 9: with this endeavor um and because the the operational element of launching the communications

[5:18:03] push and you'll see the communications and engagement plan it is intended to have a

[5:18:08] communications period ahead of engagement so it's not going

[5:18:11] Voice 9: right into engagement and starting to

[5:18:13] Voice 9: plot before people have a chance to catch their breath and understand what what we're asking

[5:18:17] Voice 9: people to do and what what opportunities there are to engage um so this is this is just something

[5:18:24] Voice 9: it's it's been put to LTC to ask these materials to be provided in that suggestion certainly for

[5:18:32] information and for the opportunity to learn tools

[5:18:37] Voice 9: that we're using you know getting into

[5:18:43] Voice 9: the nitty-gritty of the details it's you know just the printing alone understood so it's it's the

[5:18:51] Voice 9: the essentially in terms of this recommendation that submitting the materials is is not problematic

[5:19:00] Voice 9: trying to meaningfully assimilate

[5:19:03] Voice 17: a number of comments and suggestions

[5:19:08] would present obstacles and challenges and to the timeline

[5:19:14] Voice 9: and and the scope and everything

[5:19:17] Voice 9: else yeah what i'm hearing particularly with an advisory body that has to be enjoyed

[5:19:22] Voice 9: yeah i understand trust attachment i

[5:19:26] Voice 15: mean required professionals i understand that it is

[5:19:30] Voice 15: sometimes it is you see a material oh i wouldn't have done that but you know we've hired

[5:19:36] Voice 15: professionals we're asking to go forward asking you again to use this committee the best way it

[5:19:40] Voice 15: needs what is the information you're truly asking for advice on i think that's the clarity

[5:19:47] Voice 15: It's made that

[5:19:48] Voice 15: the team is going to move forward and do things.

[5:19:53] Voice 15: There will be aspects they're asking specifically for feedback on before they do it.

[5:19:58] Voice 15: And I think

[5:19:58] Voice 15: that's just getting that clarity and understanding.

[5:20:03] Voice 15: We're not a bunch of volunteers working on this material.

[5:20:06] We have hired professionals and the staff

[5:20:10] Voice 15: are supporting that.

[5:20:12] Voice 15: So we have to trust in the process.

[5:20:15] Voice 15: Well,

[5:20:16] Voice 9: in some ways, it's just sort of a reminder that where the direct advice and feedback is requested, it's welcome, but that when things

[5:20:34] Voice 7: are presented for information and the feedback isn't requested,

[5:20:41] Voice 7: that it should be understood by the committee that it is for information

[5:20:47] Voice 7: and that there simply isn't time, scope, and the rest of it

[5:20:52] Voice 7: to assimilate a bunch of advice.

[5:20:54] Voice 7: I mean, so that distinction

[5:20:55] Voice 9: is clear,

[5:20:59] Voice 9: and I'm sure staff and the consultant team can make it clear

[5:21:08] Voice 7: when they're you know presenting anything to the to the the commission that this piece we welcome

[5:21:16] Voice 17: feedback on and this piece is for information i think so so without that presentation of whatever

[5:21:23] Voice 17: material it is to the commissioners um if it's made clear this is for information so you're aware

[5:21:31] Voice 17: or this is we want your feedback so then the commissioners are really clear on whether they're

[5:21:39] Voice 17: being asked for feedback or not and then you know hopefully respond accordingly i guess

[5:21:45] Voice 7: that's sort of what i think i'm hearing right um yeah

[5:21:50] Voice 9: i think we're we can do a better job of

[5:21:54] giving them more clarity on the questions we're asking earlier um

[5:21:58] Voice 9: we can we can prep that um

[5:22:01] Voice 9: i think in meeting where we are asking um these questions quite clearly but if we're getting a

[5:22:07] Voice 9: lot of pushback on the resuming out of it um that's one of the challenges and then so in

[5:22:15] Voice 9: terms of uh of this committee's support of that process um other than the conversation we're

[5:22:23] Voice 9: having is there is there anything specific that you need from us as as far as helping

[5:22:30] Voice 9: helping to uh i guess impress upon the commissioners that you know for information

[5:22:38] Voice 9: means for information and and for feedback comments and suggestion means that and the two

[5:22:45] Voice 9: are not the same and then simply i mean we simply can't

[5:22:52] Voice 17: you know assimilate and

[5:22:54] Voice 9: and incorporate um

[5:22:58] Voice 9: all of the

[5:22:59] Voice 17: suggestions and feedback that

[5:23:01] Voice 9: the commissioners may wish to give it just is not

[5:23:04] Voice 9: realistic um in some some phases of the project and in some phases the the materials to to do

[5:23:12] Voice 9: that despite the wish that they might have for that to happen so just kind of trying to make

[5:23:18] Voice 9: that clear so

[5:23:18] Voice 17: that the expectations

[5:23:19] Voice 9: are

[5:23:21] Voice 17: as clear as possible i guess is what i'm so i'm

[5:23:25] Voice 17: will talk to my earlier question is there something that this that you know staff feel that this

[5:23:31] Voice 17: committee can do to emphasize or help emphasize that message i

[5:23:38] Voice 6: think i think the like in a case

[5:23:41] Voice 9: like this uh it's you know we're talking about just that resolution um it can be that that the

[5:23:51] Voice 9: The LTC endorses that the, that, that staff,

[5:23:55] Voice 9: that the project team will provide

[5:23:58] Voice 9: written outreach materials to the PAPC commission.

[5:24:03] Certainly direct the project staff,

[5:24:06] Voice 9: request the staff do that for information, right?

[5:24:09] Voice 9: But that should go not only to the PAPC,

[5:24:12] Voice 9: but also to the LTC that provide you also, right?

[5:24:17] Voice 9: So we have those phone calls, I'm sure, so.

[5:24:20] So when

[5:24:20] Voice 9: you're seeing these things launch, so yeah, if there's a resolution that the LTC say that the LTC requests that staff submit written outreach materials to the APC, LTC in advance for information.

[5:24:43] Voice 9: Yeah, that's the kind of support you're looking for.

[5:24:54] Voice 9: Excellent, because that's what I'm trying to get you, is what action this committee can take to help support this process at this point.

[5:25:04] Voice 9: So, Trustee Harris?

[5:25:09] Voice 13: Actually, I should put my hand down because my blood pressure is rising quickly as I listen to this conversation.

[5:25:16] Voice 13: So I'll just retract my hand here.

[5:25:22] Voice 17: Okay, understood.

[5:25:24] Voice 17: So I am prepared to make a motion to that effect.

[5:25:28] Voice 17: So I move that the local trust committee request staff to submit written out

[5:25:34] Voice 17: outreach materials to the project advisory

[5:25:37] Voice 9: planning commission and the local

[5:25:39] Voice 9: trust committee in advance for information.

[5:25:44] Voice 9: and i'll just check with um our amazing minute taker to see if she's captured value

[5:25:51] Voice 9: yes chair

[5:25:53] Voice 18: peterson i have that thank you okay

[5:25:55] Voice 9: so moved seconded by trustee patrick

[5:25:59] Voice 9: any further discussion on the motion required uh trustee harris yeah

[5:26:07] Voice 13: i'm opposed um for the

[5:26:10] Voice 13: reason that this is just more talk talk talk and time wasted and like i said we've got eight months

[5:26:17] Voice 13: left and um to think that we're going to get anything out of what is being proposed right now

[5:26:25] Voice 13: that is going to help the community in any real way after it's been harmed in such a to such a

[5:26:32] Voice 13: degree in the last three plus years by this kind of thing exactly i you know i have to be opposed

[5:26:41] Voice 13: If I'm ever to be able to walk down the street in Salt Spring and hold my head up, I have to be opposed to this kind of stuff.

[5:26:48] Voice 13: Thank you.

[5:26:51] Voice 9: All right.

[5:26:52] Voice 9: Anything further?

[5:26:54] Voice 9: Call the question.

[5:26:55] Voice 9: All those in favor?

[5:26:56] Voice 9: And any opposed?

[5:27:00] Voice 9: And the motion carries.

[5:27:03] Voice 9: Okay.

[5:27:04] Voice 9: So, Mr. Hutton, is there anything further we can do in terms of direction on this report that would help support?

[5:27:14] I think the main thing that would help us to keep this project afloat and moving forward in the ways that we intend to is ensuring that our intention is to take things to the PAPC first.

[5:27:29] we don't actually take note you haven't seen the communication education plan but the PAPC has

[5:27:35] that's by design that you you would ideally have recommendations this product and they'll see

[5:27:45] drafts and you'll see something that's intended to

[5:27:47] Voice 9: be more or less the final deliverable that

[5:27:50] Voice 9: that, you know, with the LPCs input.

[5:27:55] Voice 9: So I think so long as that is understood and that the project team

[5:28:05] Voice 9: and I can communicate with the consultant, but what come, you know,

[5:28:09] Voice 9: what PAPC is going to be providing is going to be advisory in terms

[5:28:13] Voice 9: of the questions that are being asked, that if there are things that should

[5:28:17] go to LPC or you know just recommendations around acceptance or or possible minor alterations and

[5:28:30] that's that's certainly acceptable but when we have to go in the circles of this is for knowledge to

[5:28:37] to keep this thing moving forward we really want to have

[5:28:41] Voice 9: a good turnaround with the PAPC

[5:28:43] Voice 9: it wasn't by being put questions are being asked um so that's yeah i don't think there's any further

[5:28:50] Voice 9: resolution needed so long as there's consensus at this table um we can move forward with that

[5:28:57] Voice 9: yes

[5:28:59] Voice 15: generally i mean we want you to stay on as fast a pace schedule as possible i you know i

[5:29:07] Voice 15: where things need to check in like i know you're looking at five five groups or meetings or

[5:29:14] Voice 15: whatever that you can hold i know as we are out in the community talking to people it's

[5:29:20] Voice 15: i'm catching capturing organizations and

[5:29:24] Voice 15: names that i have a good group to talk to and so i've

[5:29:27] Voice 15: been tracking that and so hopefully you know those types of things i'm expecting is going to come

[5:29:32] Voice 15: back before that very limited group of people that are going to be interviewed on the topic so

[5:29:38] Voice 15: So, yeah, that I want to check back into

[5:29:41] Voice 9: this group.

[5:29:42] Voice 9: Certainly, that is the, hopefully the next item we talk about.

[5:29:47] Excellent.

[5:29:52] Voice 13: Okay.

[5:29:54] Voice 13: I just wanted to add, I wanted to add that.

[5:30:00] Voice 13: You know, I'm not laying this on staff's feet, you know, my discontent for what is going on this term.

[5:30:09] Voice 13: And I think that they've been put in an almost impossible position and it's such a huge ask, you know, given the structure of how this OCP LUB is at this point.

[5:30:24] Voice 13: with you know consultants that you know there's been terms i've heard a term today you know in

[5:30:32] Voice 13: regards to what those consultants are and you know that that could be questioned um and with the way

[5:30:40] Voice 13: the staff have also been set up to fail in my view just through the structure of the policies

[5:30:47] Voice 13: policies and how the policies are structured within the ltc and the tc and islands trust in

[5:30:54] Voice 13: general and and again i don't i don't blame the staff i think they've been put in a really

[5:31:00] Voice 13: impossible position could have been done a fair bit differently in my view from the start um it's

[5:31:07] Voice 13: just i want staff to hear that loud and clear that i don't uh i don't lay this at their feet

[5:31:12] Voice 13: this giant failure of a

[5:31:15] Voice 13: project. Thank you.

[5:31:17] Voice 13: All

[5:31:19] Voice 9: right. Thank you for that.

[5:31:23] Voice 9: Okay.

[5:31:24] Voice 9: Anything further on those reports?

[5:31:26] Voice 9: Not

[5:31:31] Voice 16: very much, Mr. Chair.

[5:31:32] Voice 16: Okay.

[5:31:34] Voice 16: Let's

[5:31:37] Voice 9: move back to the main

[5:31:38] Voice 9: agenda.

[5:31:40] Voice 9: Just for clarification,

[5:31:42] Voice 9: we do have

[5:31:43] Voice 9: at the end of the agenda

[5:31:47] Voice 9: cover here, we have a

[5:31:48] Voice 9: resolution for a special meeting with the

[5:31:51] Voice 9: uh local community commission um like that that special pc for the

[5:31:59] Voice 9: the um for 192. if you'd like to do that there uh yeah that's what i was going to ask because

[5:32:09] Voice 9: we're also talking about a special meeting to uh to um for items 15.1 and 2 which would be

[5:32:20] Voice 9: obviously not joint with the LCC

[5:32:22] Voice 9: but is that the same

[5:32:24] Voice 9: date? It is the same date

[5:32:26] Voice 9: but not the same time. Ms. Miller

[5:32:28] Voice 9: may let you know which

[5:32:30] Voice 9: request. Okay I'm just gonna

[5:32:32] Voice 9: I know

[5:32:33] Voice 9: I have got two entries

[5:32:34] Voice 9: in my calendar

[5:32:37] Voice 9: which is which

[5:32:39] Voice 9: so I've got

[5:32:41] Voice 15: 3pm

[5:32:44] Voice 9: so that would be that

[5:32:46] Voice 9: okay

[5:32:47] Voice 9: I just wanted clarity on that

[5:32:55] Voice 16: Okay.

[5:32:59] Voice 9: So moving on, we've done everything in the addendum now. So that brings us to the report section. In section 17, we have the policy and standing resolutions list of the Oakland applications report and the expense report.

[5:33:29] Voice 9: and we're gonna move on.

[5:33:32] Voice 9: I'll just see if there's anything anyone wants to highlight

[5:33:35] Voice 9: or raise out of any of those reports.

[5:33:38] Voice 9: No, not seeing any.

[5:33:40] Voice 9: We have no closed meeting scheduled.

[5:33:44] The next regular meeting is scheduled for

[5:33:48] Voice 9: March 19th

[5:33:50] Voice 9: and we have a special meeting resolution

[5:33:52] Voice 9: which we can follow by another special meeting resolution.

[5:33:57] Voice 9: solution and uh trustee uh tricker if you're ready to make the first one i'll take a stab at the

[5:34:04] Voice 9: second one

[5:34:04] Voice 15: i'm with salt spring i look trust me to request stop to schedule an electronic special

[5:34:08] Voice 15: meeting for a joint meeting with the crd lcc at 10 a.m on thursday february 26 2026 with a viewing

[5:34:16] Voice 15: location of the island's trust salt spring office and for 121 mcphillip avenue salt spring island

[5:34:22] Voice 15: bc

[5:34:23] Voice 9: and i'll second it um any discussion trustee harris yeah

[5:34:30] Voice 13: i'm strongly opposed um i've given

[5:34:34] Voice 13: reasons to uh as to why i'd be opposed to this type of thing um on other meetings i don't really

[5:34:40] Voice 13: want to regurgitate all that right now um other than it um you know time money um taxpayer time

[5:34:50] Voice 13: taxpayer dollars spent on what a pseudo municipal um council that can't do a darn thing and um

[5:34:59] Voice 13: yeah strongly opposed thanks so

[5:35:03] Voice 9: noted uh and so i'll call the question all those in favor

[5:35:09] Voice 9: any opposed and that motion carries so i will move that salt spring island local trust committee

[5:35:17] Voice 9: request staff to schedule an electronic special meeting for consideration of ocplub project update

[5:35:35] Voice 7: thursday bell at 3 p.m on thursday february 26th 2026 with a viewing location

[5:35:46] Voice 7: of the Islands Trust Salt Spring Office for 121

[5:35:51] Voice 9: McPhillips Avenue, Salt Spring Island, B.C.

[5:35:56] Voice 9: Seconded.

[5:35:56] Voice 9: And any discussion?

[5:36:00] Voice 9: Trustee Harris?

[5:36:01] Voice 13: I just have some questions.

[5:36:03] Voice 13: So this is a special meeting for the OCP LUB.

[5:36:06] Voice 13: I thought I heard you mention something about the Salt Spring Office.

[5:36:10] Voice 17: So the first one, the one we've passed already,

[5:36:13] Voice 17: is the joint meeting with the local community commission.

[5:36:15] Voice 17: this one would be if there's two items in the section 15 today that say pending that was the

[5:36:25] Voice 17: ocp project update there's the first nations engagement piece and there's also the community

[5:36:30] Voice 17: engagement update update which is a presentation from the project consultants

[5:36:35] Voice 9: so both of those

[5:36:37] Voice 9: things are proposed uh for this meeting that we're considering uh calling now thank you for

[5:36:43] Voice 13: the clarification i'm strongly opposed as um you know for the reason being that um i think

[5:36:48] Voice 13: the project should be terminated um thank you

[5:36:51] Voice 9: understood uh anything further not seeing any

[5:36:57] Voice 9: i'll call the question all those in favor any opposed and the motion carries um so unless

[5:37:06] Voice 9: anyone has anything further to know i believe we're ready for a german all

[5:37:10] Voice 15: right

[5:37:11] Voice 9: so we are adjourned

[5:37:12] Voice 9: And we will meet virtually on the 26th.