Islands Trust Conservancy Board community information meeting, February 19, 2026

[0:00:15] Voice 22: You're ready to go.

[0:01:21] Good

[0:01:24] Trustee Patrick: morning, everyone. I know we're in a very large cavernous room.

[0:01:29] Trustee Patrick: We'll try to speak as loudly as we can. I'll look to the people in the back. Can you hear

[0:01:34] Trustee Patrick: me all right at this volume? Thank you. I do know that if the heat kicks on, we're in trouble.

[0:01:40] Trustee Patrick: i think you all know it's loud so uh uh we'll either be cozy and cold for a little bit or

[0:01:46] Trustee Patrick: the heat will have to we'll have to take a break when the heat comes on because it is loud

[0:01:50] Trustee Patrick: and i ask

[0:01:51] Trustee Patrick: everyone at the table to speak as loud as you can i'd like i'd like to call well we'll

[0:01:57] Trustee Patrick: talk about that i um i'd like to call this regular meeting of the gabriel island trust committee

[0:02:03] Trustee Patrick: to order we are live

[0:02:06] Trustee Patrick: streaming and recording this meeting the recording will be available

[0:02:09] Trustee Patrick: in a few days.

[0:02:11] Trustee Patrick: I begin by acknowledging with respect and humility

[0:02:14] Trustee Patrick: that the lands and the waters of the Gabriela

[0:02:16] Trustee Patrick: Local Trust Area have been home to indigenous people

[0:02:18] Trustee Patrick: since time immemorial.

[0:02:20] Trustee Patrick: Their deep connection to these islands continues to this day.

[0:02:24] Trustee Patrick: We honor their enduring presence, constitutional rights,

[0:02:28] Trustee Patrick: and responsibilities.

[0:02:30] Trustee Patrick: As I was

[0:02:31] Trustee Patrick: driving up this morning from Salt Spring,

[0:02:33] Trustee Patrick: I'm Laura Patrick, I am elected on Salt Spring,

[0:02:35] Trustee Patrick: I was thinking back on Elder Geraldine Manson

[0:02:38] Trustee Patrick: that opened our meeting last week

[0:02:40] Trustee Patrick: and really talked about the partnership

[0:02:42] Trustee Patrick: and moving together into the future.

[0:02:46] Trustee Patrick: And it reminded me that it was back in March of 2019

[0:02:51] Trustee Patrick: that Trust Council made its declaration,

[0:02:55] Trustee Patrick: reconciliation declaration right here on Gabriola,

[0:02:59] Trustee Patrick: recognizing this commitment

[0:03:01] Trustee Patrick: as a long-term relationship building and healing process.

[0:03:06] Trustee Patrick: And I'll point out that that commitment was made

[0:03:09] Trustee Patrick: almost eight months before the province made their declaration on the rights of indigenous

[0:03:15] Trustee Patrick: peoples act in through legislation so i'm glad that we're walking this path together um

[0:03:26] Trustee Patrick: as i said i'm laura patrick i'm joined today by trustees toby elliott and trustees susan yates

[0:03:32] Trustee Patrick: together we make up your local trust committee we have lots of staff joining us today and

[0:03:41] Trustee Patrick: I know we have several online as well.

[0:03:44] Trustee Patrick: I think we have a regional planning manager,

[0:03:47] Trustee Patrick: Renee Jamerant online,

[0:03:49] Trustee Patrick: and we have Lisa Millard is our administrative guru that's managing the

[0:03:54] Trustee Patrick: meeting and taking the minutes.

[0:03:55] Trustee Patrick: She's online in the room with us.

[0:03:58] Trustee Patrick: We have Steven Baugh.

[0:04:00] Trustee Patrick: We have Ian Cox.

[0:04:01] Trustee Patrick: We have Nerissa Chadwick.

[0:04:04] Trustee Patrick: quick, we have Morgana van Niekerk. Thank you. I'm the world's

[0:04:15] Trustee Patrick: worst person with name. And

[0:04:17] Voice 23: Nadine Marlowe.

[0:04:20] Trustee Patrick: And we thank the

[0:04:22] Trustee Patrick: staff for being here to support us in this meeting. And we'll

[0:04:26] Trustee Patrick: have other staff joining us when we get to some of the other

[0:04:29] Trustee Patrick: items later in the meeting. So this meeting is an official

[0:04:33] Trustee Patrick: for and for your local trust committee to make decisions about land use planning matters and

[0:04:37] Trustee Patrick: discuss relevant business. This is also a place of employment and our staff have the right to a safe

[0:04:43] Trustee Patrick: and respectful workplace. Now today we have we'll have two moments of public comments which we're

[0:04:51] Trustee Patrick: going to run right into a public hearing at the beginning. So this is a we're going to open up

[0:04:55] Trustee Patrick: and have a public discussion on a public hearing and I will be reading a very formalized script on

[0:05:01] Trustee Patrick: that after we close the uh public hearing uh we'll be moving into some reports and then uh more of

[0:05:13] Trustee Patrick: the the public comment period for other business so uh just please pay attention to the parts of

[0:05:21] Trustee Patrick: the meeting that we're in and if you want to talk about general business or other business on the

[0:05:25] Trustee Patrick: agenda today you would talk to us during the town hall we have opinion on the on the uh bylaw that's

[0:05:32] Trustee Patrick: before us that would be during the public hearing so um please help us keep that straight all right

[0:05:40] Trustee Patrick: so trustees we have an agenda before us is there any additions or changes to the agenda

[0:05:46] Voice 3: just a question chair patrick i do have a quick announcement about staff at the island's trust

[0:05:51] Voice 3: conservancy do i put it in my report or do i put it where we would possibly have a trust

[0:05:57] Voice 3: conservancy to the court but we don't have a report i

[0:06:01] Trustee Patrick: just do it during your report okay

[0:06:04] Voice 3: any

[0:06:05] Trustee Patrick: other comments so can we approve the agenda through general concern

[0:06:11] Trustee Patrick: okay now i'm going to recess this meeting and i'm going to uh open a public hearing and like

[0:06:19] Trustee Patrick: i said it is a formal process i'm going to have to read uh from a script please uh bear with me

[0:06:26] Trustee Patrick: be patient because it's necessary are you ready to move into the public hearing

[0:06:34] Trustee Patrick: all right i'd like to open this public hearing um and again acknowledge that we're meeting in

[0:06:43] Trustee Patrick: the territory of the coast salish first nations and i'd like to welcome all of you uh in attendance

[0:06:49] Trustee Patrick: today i'll be repeating some of the things i've already said my name is laura patrick i'm chair

[0:06:56] Trustee Patrick: chair of the Gabriel Local Trust Committee,

[0:06:58] Trustee Patrick: and I'll introduce our fellow Local Trust Committee trustees,

[0:07:04] Trustee Patrick: Toby Elliott and Susan Yates.

[0:07:06] Trustee Patrick: Also the staff that are supporting the public hearing,

[0:07:10] Trustee Patrick: Stephen Baugh, Ian Cox, Nadine Moro, and Lisa Millard.

[0:07:17] Trustee Patrick: Are there lots of people who are planning

[0:07:21] Trustee Patrick: to address the public hearing today?

[0:07:23] Trustee Patrick: Because if they could just have a show of hands,

[0:07:25] Trustee Patrick: because we do have a speaker's list if necessary so just a few so we don't need to use the speaker's

[0:07:30] Trustee Patrick: list at this time if that's uh i'll i'll fall and go in order okay this public hearing is being

[0:07:39] Trustee Patrick: convened pursuant to section 465 of the local government act in order to consider proposed

[0:07:45] Trustee Patrick: proposed by-law number 321,

[0:07:48] Trustee Patrick: this is Gabriel Island Official Community Plan,

[0:07:53] Trustee Patrick: by-law number 166, 1997, amendment number 1, 2025,

[0:07:58] Trustee Patrick: and proposed by-law number 322,

[0:08:01] Trustee Patrick: Gabriel Island Land Use By-law 1999,

[0:08:04] Trustee Patrick: amendment number 1, 2025.

[0:08:06] Trustee Patrick: All persons who believe that their interest in the property

[0:08:10] Trustee Patrick: is affected by the proposed by-laws

[0:08:12] Trustee Patrick: will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard

[0:08:15] Trustee Patrick: or to present written submissions

[0:08:17] Trustee Patrick: respecting matters contained in proposed bylaws.

[0:08:20] Trustee Patrick: Those wishing to speak should commence their presentation

[0:08:24] Trustee Patrick: by clearly stating their name.

[0:08:27] Trustee Patrick: I'll also ask that you come forward in the room.

[0:08:30] Trustee Patrick: You can sit in either of these chairs

[0:08:32] Trustee Patrick: so that you can be picked up on the microphone.

[0:08:34] Trustee Patrick: I would really appreciate that.

[0:08:37] Trustee Patrick: Members of

[0:08:37] Trustee Patrick: the local trust committee may, if they wish,

[0:08:40] Trustee Patrick: ask questions of you following your presentation.

[0:08:43] Trustee Patrick: However, the main function of the Local Trust Committee

[0:08:45] Trustee Patrick: members is to listen to the views of the public.

[0:08:48] Trustee Patrick: It is not the function of the committee members

[0:08:51] Trustee Patrick: to debate the merits of the proposed bylaws

[0:08:53] Trustee Patrick: with individual citizens.

[0:08:55] Trustee Patrick: Everyone will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard

[0:08:58] Trustee Patrick: and none should feel discouraged from presenting their views.

[0:09:03] Trustee Patrick: In considering the proposed bylaws,

[0:09:05] Trustee Patrick: the Local Trust Committee has received documents

[0:09:07] Trustee Patrick: which may influence its decision.

[0:09:10] Trustee Patrick: These documents are available during this hearing

[0:09:14] Trustee Patrick: and they're over here at the end of the table by Nadine

[0:09:17] Trustee Patrick: and it is available on our website

[0:09:20] Trustee Patrick: as indicated in the public hearing notice.

[0:09:23] Trustee Patrick: Any person who wishes to present a written submission

[0:09:25] Trustee Patrick: to the local trust committee may do so

[0:09:27] Trustee Patrick: and all written submissions are available

[0:09:29] Trustee Patrick: for review during this hearing.

[0:09:31] Trustee Patrick: Written submissions must be received

[0:09:33] Trustee Patrick: by the local trust committee before the close of the hearing

[0:09:36] Trustee Patrick: and again, drop them off at the end of the table here.

[0:09:40] Trustee Patrick: Your final opportunity to comment on the proposed bylaws

[0:09:44] Trustee Patrick: is during this hearing,

[0:09:45] Trustee Patrick: as members of the Local Trust Committee

[0:09:47] Trustee Patrick: may not receive further submissions

[0:09:49] Trustee Patrick: nor discuss the proposed bylaw with the public

[0:09:52] Trustee Patrick: after the hearing.

[0:09:55] Trustee Patrick: After the public hearing has concluded,

[0:09:57] Trustee Patrick: the Local Trust Committee may, without further notice,

[0:09:59] Trustee Patrick: make whatever decision it deems proper

[0:10:02] Trustee Patrick: with the respect of the bylaws

[0:10:03] Trustee Patrick: that are the subject of this hearing.

[0:10:05] Trustee Patrick: hearing. Planner Ball will now summarize the public hearing notice, key points of the bylaw,

[0:10:11] Trustee Patrick: and referral agency responses. Oh, sorry. Planner Cox? Sorry. Go ahead. Ian Cox. I'm

[0:10:26] Trustee Patrick: sorry. I said the wrong thing.

[0:10:28] Voice 25: Ian Cox Until the notice for this, bylaws were set out at the last meeting of the local

[0:10:36] Voice 25: both trust committee resolutions were passed to hold this public hearing and just previous

[0:10:44] Voice 25: community information meeting which was held electronically as you probably are aware the

[0:10:50] Voice 25: bylaws are the intent is essentially to add propane storage as permitted use

[0:10:57] Voice 25: and on the property just adjacent to the current co-op gas station which was

[0:11:04] Voice 25: is zoned institutional too for quite some time.

[0:11:08] Voice 25: This would change the zoning

[0:11:10] Voice 25: to a village commercial designation,

[0:11:13] Voice 25: village commercial four and include the property

[0:11:16] Voice 25: in the currently enacted

[0:11:19] Voice 25: village commercial development permit area.

[0:11:21] Voice 25: So that means when anything is done on that property,

[0:11:26] Voice 25: built and so on, a development permit is needed

[0:11:29] Voice 25: and it's primarily for form and character.

[0:11:32] Voice 25: So, you know, the design of the building and so forth is the main thing with that.

[0:11:39] Voice 25: I think we can leave it at that.

[0:11:50] Voice 18: We'll turn that down.

[0:12:01] Trustee Patrick: It's going to be cold but we'll be able to hear a little bit.

[0:12:05] Trustee Patrick: Alright so submissions can be made at any time until the close of the hearing.

[0:12:09] Trustee Patrick: If any submissions are received during the meeting, the local trust committee will pause

[0:12:14] Trustee Patrick: prior to closing to ensure the local trust committee has had time to review those submissions.

[0:12:20] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[0:12:20] Trustee Patrick: I'm going to invite members of the public who wish to speak.

[0:12:24] Trustee Patrick: Please state your name prior to making the comments.

[0:12:28] Trustee Patrick: Please come up to one of these two chairs.

[0:12:30] Trustee Patrick: And after your presentation, the trustees may ask you questions, but primarily are here

[0:12:35] Trustee Patrick: to listen and not debate issues.

[0:12:38] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[0:12:38] Trustee Patrick: Okay. And then after, I'm going to have to ask three times if there are anyone that wishes to speak.

[0:12:46] Trustee Patrick: So who would like to speak to us today during the public hearing, if I could see a show of hands?

[0:12:51] Trustee Patrick: Fine. So I'm going to start with the gentleman with his hand raised and then the woman next to him.

[0:12:56] Trustee Patrick: If you could just come forward, I would really appreciate it if you can, if you're able, and you'll address us.

[0:13:05] Trustee Patrick: Thank you. Either chair.

[0:13:17] Voice 16: Hendrikus Blockhausen, I have the adjacent property to number 45, or I think I am on

[0:13:28] Voice 16: 45, the other one is 42.

[0:13:31] Voice 16: Can you give me the address

[0:13:32] Trustee Patrick: and full name, please?

[0:13:34] Trustee Patrick: You need his address?

[0:13:35] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[0:13:35] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[0:13:36] Trustee Patrick: Full name and address, for the record.

[0:13:38] Trustee Patrick: And

[0:13:39] Voice 16: Drupus Willem Blochhausen, 780 Ross Way, Gabriel, B.C., V0R1X3.

[0:13:53] Voice 7: Thank you. Proceed.

[0:13:58] Voice 16: I own the property adjacent to the one on Lock and Bar Lane that wants to have some work done on it.

[0:14:10] Voice 16: And I have problems with the drainage from the block of

[0:14:19] Voice 16: our lane and also from the property.

[0:14:24] Voice 16: And

[0:14:26] Voice 16: I my concern is that

[0:14:28] Voice 16: any modifications to the property.

[0:14:35] Voice 16: We'll impact the water that I get on to my property.

[0:14:43] Voice 16: And I've had some remedial work done to try and stop it from flooding my basement.

[0:14:53] Voice 16: And in times of atmospheric rivers, the amount of water that comes off of Walkman's War Drive through that property onto mine is astonishing and very destructive.

[0:15:18] Voice 16: And that basically, I don't have any objections to any commercial use beyond how that impacts

[0:15:34] Voice 16: the water.

[0:15:38] Voice 16: The trains on Loughlinvar come in two different grades, and they stop at that property.

[0:15:52] Voice 16: And the water then goes on to that property.

[0:15:58] Voice 16: And then from there, under the fence,

[0:16:01] Voice 16: mine in an ad hoc type of drainage system

[0:16:06] Voice 16: that has been put there specifically for that purpose.

[0:16:11] Voice 16: And anyway, it's a very big problem when it rains.

[0:16:20] Voice 14: And

[0:16:21] Voice 16: that's about it.

[0:16:23] Voice 16: I could demonstrate to people who want to see what the problem is.

[0:16:31] Voice 16: But basically, some of the drainage from North Road goes down Lockenvar,

[0:16:39] Voice 16: crosses under the road towards that property,

[0:16:44] Voice 16: and then can't go further down Lockenvar because of the grade difference.

[0:16:51] Voice 16: like the water won't run uphill and has no choice but to run down into that

[0:17:00] Voice 16: property and then from there into mine and that's basically all I have to say about it.

[0:17:09] Voice 8: Well thank you, thank you very much.

[0:17:12] Voice 8: Yes, I'm sorry, we have one question from a trustee.

[0:17:15] Voice 8: So just so I understand, your concern is that any modifications to the property

[0:17:21] Voice 8: will not increase the amount of water that's potential that floods to your

[0:17:28] Voice 8: property during big rain events right

[0:17:30] Voice 16: and and hopefully decrease the amount by

[0:17:35] Voice 16: having a proper catchment and containment and release system I've had

[0:17:41] Voice 16: to put something similar to that on my property to try and slow it down and

[0:17:45] Voice 16: and even slowly release it, but that property doesn't seem to have a functioning system

[0:17:53] Voice 16: like that on it, but also part of the problem is in the infrastructure in front of that

[0:18:01] Voice 16: property.

[0:18:03] Voice 8: And just another clarifying question, so which, your property is where in relation

[0:18:13] Voice 16: directly adjacent to it, and downstream. So

[0:18:16] Voice 16: yeah, I share a fence with it.

[0:18:19] Voice 16: Okay,

[0:18:20] Voice 8: that's great. And we might need you to repeat your name for the recorder, or just

[0:18:24] Voice 8: maybe write it down, because I don't know if we got that.

[0:18:28] Voice 8: Yeah. All

[0:18:30] Trustee Patrick: right. Thank you very much. Okay. Sorry, the moment I said we could come forward.

[0:18:40] Trustee Patrick: really appreciate that so name and address if you could say that as loudly as you can

[0:18:45] Trustee Patrick: be appreciated outside

[0:18:47] Voice 27: some digging and i'm here just with some concerns

[0:18:51] Voice 27: lot 42 expansion i'm sorry your address too oh

[0:18:56] Voice 27: lockley bar lane okay okay so we're close to this

[0:19:00] Voice 27: and uh uh so i have a firsthand experience with that corner that corner is very dangerous super

[0:19:08] Voice 27: for dangerous. We've had several near accidents. We've had accidents. The propane tank that's on

[0:19:14] Voice 27: that corner is way too close to the road. And I don't know whether we had a vote on where to

[0:19:20] Voice 27: put this or whether to have it on the island. I cannot recall. But right now, it's in a very

[0:19:27] Voice 27: unsafe area. I've done some research, and there have been a lot of problems with propane tanks

[0:19:35] Voice 27: in Canada. This is here.

[0:19:37] Voice 27: I'm going to submit it.

[0:19:39] Voice 27: One of the

[0:19:40] Voice 27: close to home, and this is

[0:19:42] Voice 27: Grant Street in the 1980s, so

[0:19:45] Voice 27: it's a while ago, but

[0:19:47] Voice 27: there was a residential

[0:19:49] Voice 27: area. Frank Ney owned

[0:19:51] Voice 27: it. It's on

[0:19:53] Voice 27: Mostar, just off Mostar. It had to be

[0:19:55] Voice 27: totally vacated.

[0:19:56] Voice 27: They had to evacuate it to

[0:19:58] Voice 27: Rutherford Village because of a leak.

[0:20:02] Voice 27: And

[0:20:02] Voice 27: it is known for

[0:20:05] Voice 27: for large-scale and other propane storage areas,

[0:20:10] Voice 27: that the evacuation perimeter is at least 1.6 kilometers

[0:20:14] Voice 27: to protect against secondary blasts.

[0:20:18] Voice 27: You know, the questions that I have are,

[0:20:24] Voice 27: why are these propane tanks not being put underground?

[0:20:28] Voice 27: Because that would be safer in that area.

[0:20:35] Voice 27: area, particularly. As I say, the corner is very bad. There should be something done about that

[0:20:39] Voice 27: corner as well. And so I'm looking at seeing more of these huge propane tanks that could leak,

[0:20:48] Voice 27: possibly. I know they've come a long way, but that does not change the volatility of the propane

[0:20:53] Voice 27: in that area. And it's a huge residential area, as you know, behind us, Loughlin Bar Triangle.

[0:21:00] Voice 27: there's going to be pace and place there, there's the village, the lion's gardens or

[0:21:06] Voice 27: whatever they call them now.

[0:21:07] Voice 27: There's just tons of people in that area and it is in a 1.6 kilometer area.

[0:21:13] Voice 27: So if we're going to do this expansion at the bottom of the road there, in a very busy

[0:21:20] Voice 27: area, I think all the tanks need to go underground.

[0:21:22] Voice 27: I'm not saying don't put them in, I'm questioning why they're not going underground and the

[0:21:27] Voice 27: one that's currently there and it should be taken away from that corner because as i say it's very

[0:21:32] Voice 27: unsafe thank

[0:21:34] Trustee Patrick: you very much

[0:21:36] Voice 26: okay

[0:21:38] Trustee Patrick: uh who else was asking to talk about today is there anyone else

[0:21:45] Trustee Patrick: that wanted to address the public hearing to pull out my script because i'm going to have to ask

[0:21:53] Trustee Patrick: three times so i'm going to call three times before closing the hearing at which point no

[0:21:58] Trustee Patrick: no further written or oral submissions can be made.

[0:22:03] Trustee Patrick: Just a reminder for anyone who's come in late,

[0:22:06] Trustee Patrick: please submit any comments that you have

[0:22:08] Trustee Patrick: prior to the close of hearing.

[0:22:14] Trustee Patrick: So if there are submissions,

[0:22:16] Trustee Patrick: we will now proceed to close the public hearing.

[0:22:22] Trustee Patrick: Please note after the public hearing closes,

[0:22:25] Trustee Patrick: the local trust committee no longer may be able

[0:22:29] Trustee Patrick: to receive public submissions

[0:22:31] Trustee Patrick: prior to making a decision.

[0:22:33] Trustee Patrick: So I'm gonna ask once for any more speakers.

[0:22:44] Trustee Patrick: I'm gonna ask a second time, are there any more?

[0:22:47] Trustee Patrick: Oh, there we go.

[0:22:48] Trustee Patrick: If you could please come to the front of the room

[0:22:51] Trustee Patrick: because of me.

[0:22:52] Trustee Patrick: I

[0:22:52] Voice 15: imagine you can hear me quite well.

[0:22:54] Trustee Patrick: It's for the microphone, for the recorder.

[0:23:04] Trustee Patrick: Can you, you do have a good voice,

[0:23:06] Trustee Patrick: but if you could say your name and address

[0:23:08] Trustee Patrick: and we'll see if we can we're going to ask the recorder if they can hear it john

[0:23:11] Voice 15: christian 1635

[0:23:13] Voice 15: south road before

[0:23:15] Trustee Patrick: you proceed i just want to check lisa were you able to hear that yes thank you okay

[0:23:20] Trustee Patrick: great so proceed so

[0:23:23] Voice 15: what's the delay between these two people and their complaints and

[0:23:29] Voice 15: and making the bylaw a law in the past?

[0:23:33] Voice 15: What sort of consideration

[0:23:34] Voice 15: do these two reasonable complaints get?

[0:23:37] Trustee Patrick: That will be the deliberations made at this table.

[0:23:40] Trustee Patrick: So the purpose of this is to hear you, hear your concerns.

[0:23:44] Trustee Patrick: This is where they're raised.

[0:23:47] Voice 15: That's it.

[0:23:47] Voice 15: They've made their presentation.

[0:23:49] Voice 15: Now you may get judged.

[0:23:51] Trustee Patrick: That'll be up to the deliberations at this table.

[0:23:54] Trustee Patrick: I can't predict.

[0:23:55] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[0:23:56] Trustee Patrick: Thank you very much.

[0:23:58] Trustee Patrick: could see that it could go for reconsideration those will be it'll this group will decide with

[0:24:05] Trustee Patrick: what it's heard so like i said i like or we'll have that conversation later all right so i'm

[0:24:11] Trustee Patrick: going to ask again

[0:24:12] Trustee Patrick: a first time somebody is there anyone else that wishes to address this public

[0:24:18] Trustee Patrick: hearing i'm going to ask a second time are there any more speakers for this public hearing i'm

[0:24:39] Trustee Patrick: going to ask a third time are there any more speakers for the public hearing

[0:24:44] Trustee Patrick: all

[0:24:45] Voice 18: right

[0:24:52] Trustee Patrick: this is now the final opportunity for you to hand in your written submissions to the

[0:24:57] Trustee Patrick: local trust committee once the hearing is closed no additional submissions will be accepted please

[0:25:11] Trustee Patrick: be advised that we are now in post public hearing stage so i'm closing the hearing

[0:25:19] Trustee Patrick: So we're in the post-public hearing stage of the legislative review of the proposed bylaws number 321 and 322.

[0:25:29] Trustee Patrick: The Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee can now no longer receive information pertaining to the proposed bylaws.

[0:25:35] Trustee Patrick: However, you can still submit any outstanding questions and comments directly to the planner.

[0:25:42] Trustee Patrick: The Local Trust Committee may give further readings to the by-law or defeat the by-law

[0:25:48] Trustee Patrick: or make minor amendments that do not affect the use or density without further notice

[0:25:54] Trustee Patrick: of hearings.

[0:25:56] Trustee Patrick: So with that, the public hearing is closed and I appreciate your patience for that process.

[0:26:05] Trustee Patrick: I'm going to go back to the agenda.

[0:26:07] Trustee Patrick: So I'm going to reopen our regular meeting.

[0:26:09] Trustee Patrick: So I'm going to recall us to order, and we're in the report section of the meeting.

[0:26:18] Trustee Patrick: So this is the opportunity for your trustees to report, and I'll let you decide who goes

[0:26:23] Trustee Patrick: first.

[0:26:26] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[0:26:28] Voice 3: Just speak.

[0:26:29] Voice 3: All right.

[0:26:29] Voice 3: Thank you, Chair Patrick.

[0:26:30] Voice 3: Thank you, everyone, for attending today.

[0:26:35] Voice 3: The meetings and events that we attend between local trust committee meetings, we try to

[0:26:42] Voice 3: report on back to you kind of keep them as brief as possible which i will do um i did want to

[0:26:50] Voice 3: announce that the islands trust conservancy now has a um a team lead for the protected areas

[0:26:57] Voice 3: management work for islands trust conservancy and her name is jemma green and we have worked with

[0:27:03] Voice 3: her in other capacities for several years and I can't think of anyone better skilled in knowledge

[0:27:12] Voice 3: of natural history and in leading her team and I have had the pleasure of working with her on

[0:27:19] Voice 3: Gabriela when we do the monitoring of the covenants and the nature reserves so I did want to make that

[0:27:25] Voice 3: announcement it's a wonderful addition to our permanent staff so um just working chronologically

[0:27:34] Voice 3: january 23rd i attended an online meeting with bc ferry ceo nicholas jimenez i believe director

[0:27:41] Voice 3: craig was also there and uh chair uh trustee ellen i think you were there as well so in the absence

[0:27:48] Voice 3: of ferry advisory committees which we no longer have that work has been delegated to elected

[0:27:54] Voice 3: representatives so there were 48 attendees from several coastal communities as far as Prince

[0:28:00] Voice 3: River to Sunshine Coast all the way down to the southern Gulf Islands the meeting was supposed

[0:28:07] Voice 3: to be a feedback from a meeting we had in September that was organized by Mayor Andrew

[0:28:13] Voice 3: Leonard from Bowen Island so the topics were we were given the topics they were reliability

[0:28:20] Voice 3: affordability, aging vessels, and disconnection from feedback, that is, BC Ferries disconnection

[0:28:29] Voice 3: from feedback from their communities. Unfortunately, the first thing that was evident

[0:28:35] Voice 3: throughout the entire meeting was a real disconnection between BC Ferries and the

[0:28:41] Voice 3: communities they serve. They spent the next 90 minutes reviewing their corporate plans,

[0:28:47] Voice 3: None of which related to the community concerns about reliability and affordability that I've been hearing since our September meeting.

[0:28:58] Voice 3: Yeah, so the correspondence on that continues.

[0:29:03] Voice 3: On February 4th, I attended an Islands Trust Stewardship Education webinar, which I think are amazing and I've managed to get to every one so far.

[0:29:13] Voice 3: this one was about rain gardens and other nature-based solutions to address climate change

[0:29:19] Voice 3: and care for water resources 161 people registered there were 66 attendees at that meeting so I'm

[0:29:27] Voice 3: thinking that perhaps the other people maybe would be looking at the recording at a later date

[0:29:32] Voice 3: we had an expert from the capital regional district her name was Tara Stott and she

[0:29:38] Voice 3: She illustrated ingenious ways to capture rainwater runoff, to slow it, filter it, store

[0:29:44] Voice 3: it and convey it to where it's needed.

[0:29:47] Voice 3: She emphasized mimicking the natural environment always works best to create absorbent landscapes

[0:29:54] Voice 3: and mitigate the dramatic effects of climate change, which we know about flooding.

[0:30:00] Voice 3: We've just heard about that.

[0:30:03] Voice 3: Interestingly, we get more intense rainfalls, of course, longer dry seasons.

[0:30:07] Voice 3: 20% of rainfall goes to groundwater in natural conditions with less than 1% runoff.

[0:30:15] Voice 3: With development conditions, runoff increases up to 50%.

[0:30:20] Voice 3: So don't, and she said, don't underestimate the power of trees.

[0:30:25] Voice 3: Bigger is better.

[0:30:26] Voice 3: better. And they offer rain garden do-it-yourself support and information at the Capital Regional

[0:30:32] Voice 3: District. It's easy to find online. The next presenter was Pauline Heath, a Gabriola permaculture

[0:30:40] Voice 3: farmer, and he described building climate resiliency in yards and gardens. The most

[0:30:46] Voice 3: serious effects of climate change will be wild fluctuations in rainfall and temperature, which

[0:30:51] Voice 3: we've already seen. For winter, cisterns, ponds and swales are a really good way to catch water,

[0:30:57] Voice 3: but for the rest of the year the soil itself is the best long-term way to retain nutrients

[0:31:04] Voice 3: and moisture. So we were given some really good demonstrations from Paula on that. February 9th,

[0:31:12] Voice 3: I attended the Regional District of Nanaimo Parks and Open Spaces Advisory Committee meeting.

[0:31:19] Voice 3: usually what i do there is i give a brief update on local trust committee activities

[0:31:23] Voice 3: and then i enjoy listening to updates from the rdn staff including regional and community parks

[0:31:30] Voice 3: which i always find pretty uplifting february 11th trust programs committee the highlights for me

[0:31:38] Voice 3: were a discussion of the honest trust community stewardship awards to recognize and encourage

[0:31:44] Voice 3: individuals and groups whose work supports the mandate of the Islands Trust and there was also

[0:31:50] Voice 3: a discussion regarding an educational webinar for realtors. I hope they do this because I do get

[0:31:58] Voice 3: requests often enough from realtors on how to use Islands Trust resources particularly our mapping

[0:32:06] Voice 3: resources. February 18th I attended the financial planning committee audit meeting that was

[0:32:15] Voice 3: yesterday and then and then the financial planning committee meeting until noon and then the 1 to 6

[0:32:22] Voice 3: p.m committee of the whole meeting to tackle budget cut recommendations from trustees and from

[0:32:28] Voice 3: staff we are trying to cut the budget it is agonizing the result at this point was a 1.5

[0:32:37] Voice 3: percent decrease for the draft 26-27 budget. March Council, coming up soon, will be the meeting for

[0:32:45] Voice 3: final budget decisions. Keeping in mind, this is always helpful to know, approximately $92,000

[0:32:52] Voice 3: is a one percent tax rate change. So that is it. That is it for me. Thank you. Thank you.

[0:33:02] Voice 3: thank

[0:33:03] Voice 8: you um so we both attended a special conservancy meeting january 30th um that was

[0:33:13] Voice 8: to debate our budget request to trust council so trust council needs to approve um all the

[0:33:20] Voice 8: conservancy budget requests and had asked um the board to consider um any reductions so we had a

[0:33:29] Voice 8: good debate there um considered with staff advice some reductions and brought those back

[0:33:35] Voice 8: which fed into the financial planning committee meeting we just had yesterday um this is a really

[0:33:42] Voice 8: tough budget to work down um i can get into a little bit of that um there's a really good

[0:33:48] Voice 8: page on our website that breaks down the areas that have been cut um the strategic plan initiatives

[0:33:55] Voice 8: that are getting funding and it really goes line by line with links to all the relevant

[0:34:03] Voice 8: agenda items so that you can see the business cases and understand where your tax funding is

[0:34:08] Voice 8: going again this will be it has to be approved by March 31st so we still have some work to do

[0:34:16] Voice 8: but it was a really good meeting yesterday committee of the whole chaired by Laura a very

[0:34:21] Voice 8: I don't know six hours a long long waiting um we had asked staff to bring back um you know any

[0:34:30] Voice 8: discretionary items that need to be reconsidered um and so there was a lot of cuts made it only

[0:34:36] Voice 8: resulted in I thought it was a two percent um why don't you sell oh there was no there was

[0:34:42] Voice 8: like there were more cuts made so it's I think okay yeah um it's looking like about a 30 uh

[0:34:48] Voice 8: a $40 increase to the previous tax taxation.

[0:34:53] Voice 8: So we're still working to get that down.

[0:34:56] Voice 8: We also gave our referral response,

[0:34:58] Voice 8: sorry, back to Conservancy meeting,

[0:35:01] Voice 8: its referral response on the policy statement draft.

[0:35:05] Voice 8: This was the final month for the draft

[0:35:08] Voice 8: to go around all the LTCs.

[0:35:10] Voice 8: So in the four other LTCs that I chair,

[0:35:13] Voice 8: Maine, Liskety, Thetis and South Pender,

[0:35:15] Voice 8: Three of those tendered their referral responses. So we had some really good discussion. And everybody's looking at it in the, I think, in the right lens, like how does this work with our community? And there is a lot of tension between the federation policies versus our local community concerns and how our communities have developed uniquely.

[0:35:38] Voice 8: uniquely so all of that information is going to be fed back to trust council in a big what we

[0:35:45] Voice 8: heard report all the surveys that have been done the submissions your letters and everything

[0:35:52] Voice 8: will be collated and then council will make a determination to either change the draft policies

[0:35:59] Voice 8: make any amendments proceed to further readings or so there is still work to be done definitely

[0:36:07] Voice 8: I think that's probably going to come to us in June.

[0:36:10] Voice 8: Executive Committee, maybe you can report on that,

[0:36:14] Voice 8: but we met February 4th.

[0:36:16] Voice 8: There was a report there on the allocation

[0:36:19] Voice 8: of First Nations engagement grant funding.

[0:36:22] Voice 8: So this was a five-year grant that the province had given

[0:36:27] Voice 8: to Islands Trust of $150,000, I think in 2023,

[0:36:31] Voice 8: to support engagement with First Nations and really, and it's gone to support some of the

[0:36:41] Voice 8: work here on Gabriola and our, so providing capacity funding with the work with Stenema.

[0:36:48] Voice 8: It's gone towards work in Hornby and Dunman. And so there's, yeah, so that's been really useful.

[0:36:57] Voice 8: and I'm hoping that staff will give us a report on how that is changing our processes and how

[0:37:02] Voice 8: we're able to integrate that into our community planning processes um regional planning committee

[0:37:11] Voice 8: of February 6th we this was a really interesting meeting with a lot of good discussion on I would

[0:37:18] Voice 8: say trust-wide initiatives that are finally maturing uh and you're gonna you you will see

[0:37:24] Voice 8: feel the difference I'm hoping. So one of them was a presentation by the biologist on staff

[0:37:31] Voice 8: that we've had for one year and a presentation on integrating biological information into land

[0:37:38] Voice 8: use decisions. This position was funded from a species at risk grant and it will be unfortunately

[0:37:46] Voice 8: terminated unless council changes its mind so that's one of the um it's one of the the struggles

[0:37:56] Voice 8: i think that we're wrestling with is many people in the in in the trust area have been calling for

[0:38:04] Voice 8: we need a biologist on staff our planners do planning work they are not professionals in

[0:38:11] Voice 8: in biology. And so I think what this biologist was able to do is bring a lot of coherence to

[0:38:18] Voice 8: the environmental reports, providing templates, what is required, and really standardizing our

[0:38:24] Voice 8: processes so that we're getting the information that we need at this table to make these decisions.

[0:38:30] Voice 8: So that position was grant funded. It will be terminated unless council changes its mind,

[0:38:37] Voice 8: because at the moment it's not in the budget so if you want to see a biologist on staff

[0:38:42] Voice 8: please write to council and tell them to reinstate that position we had a long discussion on the

[0:38:48] Voice 8: freshwater sustainability strategy of an update from william shoba i recommend viewing that video

[0:38:54] Voice 8: because there's some in-depth discussions about how the work how the work from the province has

[0:39:00] Voice 8: kind of been downloaded the coordination of water work down to local governments and so

[0:39:05] Voice 8: So apparently years ago, the province switched the management of groundwater from Ministry of Forests to Walrus, and they lost a lot of professionals.

[0:39:13] Voice 8: There's only one hydrogeologist and one groundwater specialist for the entire trust area.

[0:39:19] Voice 12: Not for the

[0:39:19] Voice 8: entire province.

[0:39:21] Voice 8: No, except for the trust area.

[0:39:23] Voice 12: There's

[0:39:23] Voice 8: not many left.

[0:39:24] Voice 8: There's not many left.

[0:39:25] Voice 8: So we have a freshwater specialist on staff, and he'll be speaking to us later today.

[0:39:32] Voice 8: but that did result in a download to local governments to do a lot of the coordinating

[0:39:37] Voice 8: work so there's provincial data we're awash in data but what you need to do is clean it

[0:39:43] Voice 8: make it meaningful and integrate it into your land use planning decisions so that was a really

[0:39:47] Voice 8: good discussion um recommend watching that and then the third piece from that and sorry lisa

[0:39:53] Voice 8: i'll send you the notes i know this is a lot was the bylaw a compliance and enforcement review

[0:39:58] Voice 8: project um this was an initiative trust council right from the very beginning 2022 maybe it started

[0:40:07] Voice 8: it's gone through multiple iterations regional planning committee has done all the vetting and

[0:40:13] Voice 8: the thinking we keep bringing it back to trust council what do you think doing some more work

[0:40:17] Voice 8: we had um we did a voluntary request to the ombudsperson's office please review our policies

[0:40:24] Voice 8: policies and procedures, where are the gaps, what are the problems, got a great report back and

[0:40:28] Voice 8: integrated that. So what is coming to Council in March is the By-law Compliance and Enforcement

[0:40:36] Voice 8: Best Practices Manual. There is updated the Policy 5.5.1, which is the Trust Council-wide

[0:40:46] Voice 8: policy for by-law enforcement. It is not an LTC-specific policy, we have our own.

[0:40:52] Voice 8: and the bylaw compliance and enforcement policy review and portal implementation plan so there's

[0:40:59] Voice 8: a whole backstory with how we've switched to different software and trust council dedicated

[0:41:05] Voice 8: funding a year ago so that there would be a companion bylaw reporting portal so that we can

[0:41:13] Voice 8: modernize that whole system it's not just emails so there's a lot of work there that

[0:41:20] Voice 8: but I think it's really coming to fruition.

[0:41:23] Voice 8: And if you're not understanding what these strategic priorities

[0:41:27] Voice 8: or trust-wide initiatives that are bigger than Gabriola,

[0:41:30] Voice 8: Regional Planning Committee has been holding a lot of those pieces

[0:41:34] Voice 8: on behalf of council, but ultimately they go back to council for decision.

[0:41:40] Voice 8: Yeah, the tax, yeah.

[0:41:45] Voice 8: Financial Planning Committee is always such a tough one.

[0:41:49] Voice 8: I was very pleased this year. Thank you, staff, for putting together a really good web page that breaks down, like I said, into the different sections, what has been cut or what's been defunded, the different projects.

[0:42:06] Voice 8: So every LTC, we have housing projects in Denman, here on Gabriel, our OCP review, what are those costing, what's anticipated to be funded.

[0:42:15] Voice 8: Unfortunately, Trust Council so far has removed, again, all optional programs in an effort to cut the budget.

[0:42:23] Voice 8: And I just want to highlight a few of them and what that might mean.

[0:42:26] Voice 8: so the NAPTEP applications um this is a very small budget item that's typically sponsored by trust

[0:42:33] Voice 8: council for like a thousand dollars but that's so that applicants coming to put a NAPTEP covenant

[0:42:39] Voice 8: on their property can get sponsorship for that and so that's basically it just means we're not

[0:42:45] Voice 8: collecting revenue so that's been removed um history and heritage granting funding grants and

[0:42:51] Voice 8: aid, stewardship education, secretariat services. That's a big one that I personally am hoping will

[0:42:59] Voice 8: be reinstated. The Southern Gulf Islands Forum convened by MP Elizabeth May and formerly Adam

[0:43:07] Voice 8: Olson, he was instrumental in setting that up, convenes all these different bodies together to

[0:43:12] Voice 8: talk about governance. So secretariat services was something Islands Trust started 70 years ago

[0:43:19] Voice 7: and it

[0:43:20] Voice 8: really is just giving a little bit of seed money for administration for these

[0:43:24] Voice 8: forums for cross-government communications of work so there's there's a lot of pain points I

[0:43:32] Voice 8: would say that when we're you know people just say cut the budget cut the budget but we will

[0:43:37] Voice 8: lose programs that's that is the impact the stewardship series that you just mentioned

[0:43:43] Voice 8: it's amazing

[0:43:43] Voice 8: which we've done four or five a year and those webinars are wonderful and they bring

[0:43:49] Voice 8: knowledge holders and scientists um together and we've posted them on our website and it's only

[0:43:55] Voice 8: ten thousand dollars but that will be cut for next year so it's these are the soft programs

[0:44:01] Voice 8: that islands trust does that are about education and stewardship and in the fiscal reality that

[0:44:08] Voice 8: we're in right now um that's looking like those are discretionary so it's not great um anyway if

[0:44:17] Voice 8: you have any questions about the budget please email myself or susan we're in all of those

[0:44:21] Voice 8: meetings um and lastly just oh yeah so uh i just wanted to give a shout out to there's two members

[0:44:32] Voice 8: members of our community who have been organizing building belonging anti-racism and inclusion

[0:44:38] Voice 8: workshops um and it's part of the parents committee and inclusion participation accessibility

[0:44:45] Voice 8: committee and i've gone to three out of four of them we're having the next one next week and it's

[0:44:51] Voice 8: been absolutely wonderful they're bringing a lot of education about the historical and systemic

[0:44:57] Voice 8: roots of racism and inequity um and really we're just starting to talk about how do we manage

[0:45:03] Voice 8: these conversations and community how can we help one another um and it's really from a lens of

[0:45:09] Voice 8: parents you know looking after their kids and what kind of world are we growing up into um and then

[0:45:16] Voice 8: also islands trust has been working on this where most of us are in a workshop uh focused on

[0:45:23] Voice 8: principle engagement with Indigenous people and responding to Indigenous-specific racism.

[0:45:29] Voice 8: I just want to recognize that the tone and the tenor in the province today is quite

[0:45:34] Voice 8: heated. We're doing our best to manage what are some very difficult conversations.

[0:45:40] Voice 8: I'm always open to talking about it, but there has to be respect for absolutely every person,

[0:45:48] Voice 8: And that includes Indigenous people who have a right to express their experience and their interests and their concerns here at Gabriela.

[0:45:58] Voice 8: And so we're working on embedding that in all of our work.

[0:46:02] Voice 8: That's enough for me. Sorry, it was very long.

[0:46:07] Trustee Patrick: Gabriela, you need to recognize that you have two very busy local trustees who I think are on between the two of them, every committee.

[0:46:16] Trustee Patrick: the Trust Conservancy Board,

[0:46:19] Trustee Patrick: and they are heavy lifters on all of those.

[0:46:22] Trustee Patrick: And I really do appreciate the work they do

[0:46:24] Trustee Patrick: and they do it on your behalf.

[0:46:27] Trustee Patrick: So thank you.

[0:46:28] Trustee Patrick: I also want to thank everyone that did provide us input

[0:46:31] Trustee Patrick: on the Trust Policy Statement.

[0:46:33] Trustee Patrick: As Trustee Elliott mentioned,

[0:46:35] Trustee Patrick: it is in the collection analysis stage

[0:46:38] Trustee Patrick: and it'll be coming back to the Trust Council

[0:46:41] Trustee Patrick: probably in the June or a special meeting before June.

[0:46:43] Trustee Patrick: We don't know what that is.

[0:46:44] Trustee Patrick: the meeting that is probably you'd like to know about is our next trust council meeting that's

[0:46:49] Trustee Patrick: going to be march 10th 11th and 12th it's in duncan and um i'm sorry i don't have the name

[0:46:56] Trustee Patrick: of the venue but the information will be definitely on our website if you're interested

[0:46:59] Trustee Patrick: but you can also go online it'll be live stream and the public comment period is will be on the

[0:47:06] Trustee Patrick: 10th and again you can participate in the public comment remotely so you you don't have to travel

[0:47:13] Trustee Patrick: to dunkin if you wish to speak to trust council uh the the big items of trust council is the budget

[0:47:19] Trustee Patrick: uh yesterday's committee of the whole meeting we started with looking at a 9.9 percent increase to

[0:47:25] Trustee Patrick: the local tax uh and while the committee of the whole the decisions made yesterday are

[0:47:31] Trustee Patrick: recommendations to trust council those will be uh accepted or not at the uh march meeting and i

[0:47:39] Trustee Patrick: I expect we ran out of time last night, and there will probably be more brought to the table to look at adjustments to the budget.

[0:47:48] Trustee Patrick: So the trustees are quite concerned at the number and doing everything they can to moderate the tax increase for this year.

[0:47:57] Trustee Patrick: And the bylaw enforcement policies that have been updated, that's the other item that will be a big item that will be for us in March, trust counsel.

[0:48:06] Trustee Patrick: Council um so I think that's all I'm going to uh touch on I know we have uh your electoral area

[0:48:13] Trustee Patrick: director Vanessa Craig here um would like to welcome to come to the table and yell out her

[0:48:19] Trustee Patrick: her report and um thank

[0:48:22] Voice 7: you

[0:48:36] Voice 9: as always for inviting me to participate um just to pick up on something

[0:48:40] Voice 9: that you're talking about earlier with your um and i've only

[0:48:43] Voice 9: been able to attend a couple but the

[0:48:45] Voice 9: of the very, well, no, the stewardship.

[0:48:48] Voice 9: The stewardship, yes, yes.

[0:48:50] Voice 9: But I just wanted a reminder that when you're talking

[0:48:54] Voice 9: about rain, garden, and soil, that the RDN has rebates

[0:48:57] Voice 9: for irrigation upgrades and soil improvements

[0:48:59] Voice 9: and rainwater harvesting.

[0:49:01] Voice 9: So those are open for applications now.

[0:49:05] Voice 9: Just a few highlights.

[0:49:08] Voice 9: The Hamilton Marsh Regional Park potential purchase

[0:49:11] Voice 9: is still continuing.

[0:49:14] Voice 9: The RDN is looking at a purchase from Mosaic Forest Management for a 360-hectare marsh.

[0:49:22] Voice 9: It's up in Arias, up in the Coombs area, but it would be a regional park, so we're looking

[0:49:30] Voice 9: to try and complete that by the end of March if the various conditions are met.

[0:49:36] Voice 9: parks projects for 2026 thanks to trustee yates for attending the posax and also for

[0:49:43] Voice 9: trustee elliott for attending our most recent posax um so because we had horses there yeah we

[0:49:50] Voice 9: talked horses um so for the parks projects for 2026 the rdn is working on the feasibility

[0:49:57] Voice 9: study of a safer pathway along the ferry hill um for pedestrians and cyclists so we'll be starting

[0:50:04] Voice 9: very soon putting out a request proposal for consultants to assess the area and identify

[0:50:09] Voice 9: options. As you know, roads are the responsibility of the province in electoral areas around the

[0:50:15] Voice 9: province. Some people actually don't realize that, but it's the Ministry of Transportation

[0:50:20] Voice 9: and Transit who's responsible for roads and not just here, but all electoral areas across the

[0:50:25] Voice 9: province um but that's sometimes we just need to go ahead and do things because um if if we wanted

[0:50:34] Voice 9: to happen same with the village path was done by the rdn in collaboration with mott um we're also

[0:50:42] Voice 9: looking at potential locations for a future multi-purpose facility and or soccer field so

[0:50:48] Voice 9: both of those were priorities that came forward during the master plan process that recreation

[0:50:53] Voice 9: and parks that was a more than two-year process and hopefully you heard about it and had

[0:50:59] Voice 9: opportunities to provide input so we're working on that and we're also looking at a Mudge Island

[0:51:05] Voice 9: car top boat launch because that's been a priority for a long time. At the most recent POZAC which is

[0:51:11] Voice 9: the Park and Open Spaces Advisory Committee so this is comprised of I sit on it but also

[0:51:17] Voice 9: volunteers from the community to to discuss parks related items and make recommendations

[0:51:22] Voice 9: So we did receive a delegation on a potential equestrian arena at Rollo McLeod Park.

[0:51:30] Voice 9: And so Jack Reathers was requesting that the RDN develop and manage a 30 by 60 equestrian arena at the park.

[0:51:40] Voice 9: And she's done a lot of research and was able to provide some useful information.

[0:51:47] Voice 9: Unfortunately, that project idea didn't come forward during the master plan process.

[0:51:51] Voice 9: us and so we have priorities that have been identified that we're going to be working on

[0:51:55] Voice 9: for the next few years but um we are collecting information and so if it if it if an opportunity

[0:52:01] Voice 9: arises um to to consider that in an area of a park then then we'll we'll do so but it's not

[0:52:09] Voice 9: uh one of the priority projects uh for the foreseeable future uh we received a delegation

[0:52:15] Voice 9: from the gabriel and memorial society so they're requesting that the rdn undertake a feasibility

[0:52:21] Voice 9: study on how the RDN could support GIMS they call themselves in acquiring land for a green

[0:52:27] Voice 9: burial cemetery on Gabriola so the board did support a motion I made so that staff will be

[0:52:33] Voice 9: looking at options on Gabriola for and how we could potentially support the development of a

[0:52:39] Voice 9: green cemetery importantly at this point it's not that the RDN would take on a cemetery service we

[0:52:46] Voice 9: we would just help with the land and then GAMS would actually develop and manage as a non-profit

[0:52:52] Voice 9: society outside of the RDM. And then we also received more horse-related correspondence about

[0:52:59] Voice 9: Petroglyph Trail, which is behind the community car, and that it currently has boardwalks because

[0:53:06] Voice 9: it's really wet, but the horses find it very difficult. So we'll take a look to see what's

[0:53:11] Voice 9: possible there, recognizing that boardwalks are usually placed to protect the environment and

[0:53:15] Voice 9: and any kind of boardwalk that supports horses would have to be very substantial and it might

[0:53:21] Voice 9: not be possible for the area but we're going to take a look at it uh we're also involved in budget

[0:53:27] Voice 9: uh discussions our next updated budget um will be coming for next tuesday currently um it's a 1.7

[0:53:35] Voice 9: increase for area b so that means the average home on area b for 2026 is assessed at 684,200

[0:53:44] Voice 9: would have a ten dollar increase. The RDN is developing a rural housing

[0:53:51] Voice 9: strategy for territorial areas A, C, E, G and H. It's not applicable to Area B because of the

[0:53:57] Voice 9: Islands Trust who do your land use planning but it might have some useful

[0:54:02] Voice 9: information so I'll keep keep updated. The Art Changing Coast project which I

[0:54:08] Voice 9: talked about last meeting which has the erosion risk maps and study is going to have it has two

[0:54:16] Voice 9: more years of work and partly that's going to be looking to see how all of the data that we've

[0:54:23] Voice 9: been collecting can be applied and so I confirmed that Islands Trust would be invited to participate

[0:54:31] Voice 9: and stay up to date and and RPM generate has been involved also it's great to

[0:54:38] Voice 9: have her collaborating with the RDM so that's my brief brief update right thank

[0:54:47] Trustee Patrick: you okay this is now the public comment period as chair and together with the

[0:54:57] Trustee Patrick: local trustees it's my responsibility to ensure that this meeting is respectful

[0:55:01] Trustee Patrick: inclusive and culturally safe for everyone.

[0:55:04] Trustee Patrick: So that means we will speak respectfully.

[0:55:07] Trustee Patrick: There is no place in this meeting for racism,

[0:55:10] Trustee Patrick: stereotypes or comments that target indigenous people

[0:55:13] Trustee Patrick: or any group in this community.

[0:55:17] Trustee Patrick: We will acknowledge concerns without causing harm.

[0:55:20] Trustee Patrick: Residents are entitled to ask questions

[0:55:22] Trustee Patrick: and express uncertainty.

[0:55:24] Trustee Patrick: Indigenous community members are equally entitled

[0:55:26] Trustee Patrick: to share their experiences and expectations

[0:55:28] Trustee Patrick: of respectful partnership.

[0:55:30] Trustee Patrick: We will uphold cultural safety. We recognize that public processes have not always felt safe or welcoming for Indigenous peoples.

[0:55:40] Trustee Patrick: We are committed to doing better. That includes giving space to Indigenous voices, being mindful of how language affects people, and addressing harmful comments if they arise.

[0:55:52] Trustee Patrick: eyes we will keep the conversation constructive every participant brings valuable perspectives

[0:55:59] Trustee Patrick: lived experiences and knowledge all voices deserve to be heard and heard respectfully

[0:56:04] Trustee Patrick: and i really thank you in advance to helping to create an environment where all participants feel

[0:56:10] Trustee Patrick: safe valued and able to participate fully i do understand that some people may have questions

[0:56:17] Trustee Patrick: questions or concerns regarding court decisions,

[0:56:20] Trustee Patrick: including those developments,

[0:56:23] Trustee Patrick: what those developments might mean for private land

[0:56:25] Trustee Patrick: or land title in the province.

[0:56:27] Trustee Patrick: While we recognize those concerns exist,

[0:56:29] Trustee Patrick: they're outside the scope of this meeting.

[0:56:32] Trustee Patrick: Islands Trust does not have authority

[0:56:33] Trustee Patrick: to alter land ownership or land tenure.

[0:56:37] Trustee Patrick: The Islands Trust is not a party to the Tictinas court case

[0:56:40] Trustee Patrick: and will not be commenting on it.

[0:56:43] Trustee Patrick: So questions about the provincial role in that case

[0:56:47] Trustee Patrick: should be directed to the province of British Columbia.

[0:56:50] Trustee Patrick: Our statutory mandate remains the same,

[0:56:53] Trustee Patrick: to work in cooperation to preserve and protect the trust area

[0:56:56] Trustee Patrick: for the benefit of the residents of the province

[0:56:59] Trustee Patrick: and the residents of the province of British Columbia.

[0:57:03] Trustee Patrick: So today's public comment,

[0:57:05] Trustee Patrick: I ask that we remain focused on the business

[0:57:08] Trustee Patrick: of this local trust committee and the agenda items before us.

[0:57:13] Trustee Patrick: So the public comment period is your opportunity to speak.

[0:57:15] Trustee Patrick: we welcome your questions and comments as they help inform our decisions uh the one application

[0:57:21] Trustee Patrick: we have before us is now post public hearing so i cannot accept any further comments on the bylaws

[0:57:30] Trustee Patrick: number 321 and 322 that we had earlier today so i really ask you not to bring that up because i

[0:57:37] Trustee Patrick: will have to stop you um when addressing the local trust committee direct your comments to the three

[0:57:44] Trustee Patrick: of us speak to issues not individuals be clear concise and respectful i will not run a clock

[0:57:52] Trustee Patrick: but i may ask you to wrap up if you are repeating yourself and we always refrain from clapping or

[0:58:00] Trustee Patrick: booing or other disruptions because we want every perspective to feel welcome and safe to be heard

[0:58:06] Trustee Patrick: so um with that i now open up the public comment period if you have a quiet voice i ask that you

[0:58:14] Trustee Patrick: you come kind of up here. We have two chairs. You're welcome to sit in. If you know your voice

[0:58:19] Trustee Patrick: bellows, we'll confirm that the minute taker can hear you. Sorry, the room is very cavernous,

[0:58:28] Trustee Patrick: so appreciate your help. So how many plan to speak to us today? If you could show a raise of hands.

[0:58:35] Trustee Patrick: Not very many, just a few. Okay. Can

[0:58:38] Voice 26: I ask a question?

[0:58:39] Voice 27: I don't want to speak, I don't think,

[0:58:41] Voice 27: but i

[0:58:41] Trustee Patrick: don't know but

[0:58:43] Voice 26: you

[0:58:44] Trustee Patrick: can ask questions as well in this period that's exactly what this

[0:58:47] Trustee Patrick: you can ask questions of us as well so

[0:58:49] Trustee Patrick: why don't you go first and then just if you could just say

[0:58:52] Trustee Patrick: your name and then oh

[0:58:53] Voice 27: it's sorry it's just about the water budget study um i think what i understand

[0:59:00] Voice 27: is that march is the date that we're going to be commenting on this i mean i've already gone

[0:59:04] Voice 27: through it it's appropriate to leave it to march yes

[0:59:08] Trustee Patrick: thank you thank you alex for raising that

[0:59:09] Trustee Patrick: today uh you'll see the report is in the agenda package today uh that's to get it out into the

[0:59:15] Trustee Patrick: public we'll be talking about process not the report later as to how to manage that meeting

[0:59:20] Trustee Patrick: how to make it available so yes hold your comments build your comments for the for that time period

[0:59:25] Trustee Patrick: and we'll be talking more about it um okay yes gary

[0:59:30] Voice 11: mccall uh i have two questions or two points

[0:59:35] Voice 11: I'd like to make concerning the OCP review. Is that appropriate? Yes,

[0:59:39] Trustee Patrick: that is very appropriate.

[0:59:42] Voice 11: First of all, I've found the OCP is an attempt to express

[0:59:48] Voice 12: the view.

[0:59:55] Voice 12: On October 17th was the

[1:00:00] Voice 12: issue in considering

[1:00:02] Voice 11: development. I was out of the country at the time. I was unable to

[1:00:06] Voice 11: attend. Trustee Elliott.

[1:00:09] Voice 11: Just a

[1:00:10] Trustee Patrick: minute. Oh, our staff can't hear you, I think. I see them raising. If you wouldn't

[1:00:15] Trustee Patrick: mind just moving up a little bit forward here. Thank you.

[1:00:18] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, there we go. Kerry

[1:00:20] Trustee Patrick: up.

[1:00:20] Voice 11: So my concern is that I was unable to attend that conference. Trustee Elliott was very

[1:00:26] Voice 11: very kindly forwarded the presentation materials to me.

[1:00:31] Voice 11: But when I reviewed them,

[1:00:33] Voice 11: I found that there was distorted graphics,

[1:00:39] Voice 11: misinformation, specious data,

[1:00:43] Voice 11: and complete non-discussion,

[1:00:47] Voice 11: not indicated on the map or on the table whatsoever

[1:00:51] Voice 11: of the 934-some-watt acres in the Memorandum of Understanding

[1:00:58] Voice 11: concerning reparations for Treaty 7.

[1:01:07] Voice 11: So my concern is that, considering that presentation,

[1:01:13] Voice 11: it was far more manipulative than informative,

[1:01:16] Voice 11: and I had no idea what the community feedback was.

[1:01:20] Voice 11: I haven't spoken to anyone who actually attended that meeting,

[1:01:23] Voice 11: and i have been unable to find any information on their website concerning uh how people responded

[1:01:30] Voice 11: to that presentation so um if that's how we're trying to determine what the values of gabriel is

[1:01:38] Voice 11: i'd say that's rather faulty method of going about it the other concern i have about ocp

[1:01:46] Voice 11: is that the trust committee uh always trying to do the right thing has set a very dangerous

[1:01:54] Voice 11: precedent in supporting the suspension of enforcement of

[1:01:59] Voice 11: bylaw. Having said that, after any election, any two trustees

[1:02:08] Voice 11: could at a whim suspend any of our bylaws for enforcement. So

[1:02:17] Voice 11: I think it's incredibly important that our OCP has a

[1:02:21] Voice 11: statement in it saying that all bylaws shall be enforced and

[1:02:25] Voice 11: all of land use bylaws coming from that OCP should have the

[1:02:29] Voice 11: same statement with the note. May

[1:02:37] Voice 8: I respond? So just on the last point, there is a deferral of

[1:02:45] Voice 8: enforcement on non-compliant dwellings, a deferral. And this LTC routinely gets update from

[1:02:55] Voice 8: updates from bylaw enforcement.

[1:02:57] Voice 17: Yeah,

[1:02:59] Voice 8: there is a deferral of enforcement on non-compliant

[1:03:05] Voice 8: dwellings um which is now in policy um which can be updated at any at any time um the previous ltc

[1:03:16] Voice 8: put this in place knowing that it was a temporary it could not be sustained through the ocp process

[1:03:25] Voice 8: there is an intent to find a way that the people who are living in substandard

[1:03:33] Voice 8: and unacceptable forms of housing currently

[1:03:39] Voice 8: and move into something that is regulated.

[1:03:44] Voice 8: And we are constantly re-evaluating any problem,

[1:03:49] Voice 8: properties that bylaw enforcement brings to us in camera.

[1:03:53] Voice 8: Those discussions are not open to the public

[1:03:55] Voice 8: because they involve confidential information about landholders.

[1:03:59] Voice 8: But I do understand your concern about an overall policy

[1:04:03] Voice 8: to defer enforcement it is not unlimited it has to come to a close and hopefully that is

[1:04:10] Voice 8: through the ocp process where we're going to see some options well

[1:04:14] Voice 11: i think you missed my point

[1:04:17] Voice 11: my point is that we stand after any election for two trustees to become elected who can defer

[1:04:26] Voice 11: defer any of our bylaws and point to your actions.

[1:04:32] Voice 11: So you may be trying to do something

[1:04:35] Voice 11: that you see as a public need.

[1:04:38] Voice 11: I respect that.

[1:04:41] Voice 11: What I'm saying is that if we have bylaws,

[1:04:44] Voice 11: they should be enforced.

[1:04:47] Voice 11: And if we don't, if it's time to change the bylaw,

[1:04:51] Voice 11: then change the bylaw.

[1:04:53] Voice 18: But

[1:04:54] Voice 11: to defer it and not enforce it

[1:04:57] Voice 11: can only lead to a problem in the future.

[1:05:01] Voice 11: And the only way to circumvent that possibility in the future

[1:05:06] Voice 11: is to entrench in our OCP and our land use bylaws

[1:05:11] Voice 11: a statement saying that all bylaws shall be enforced.

[1:05:14] Trustee Patrick: We are hearing your suggestion and welcome that.

[1:05:18] Trustee Patrick: So thank you.

[1:05:19] Voice 11: Any other questions?

[1:05:22] Voice 8: The first comment that you made, sir,

[1:05:25] Voice 8: um the ltc is not in a position to comment on any transfers of land um the reason and perhaps

[1:05:35] Voice 8: the planners can speak to why you you referenced 900 acres the kensington lands um this is a

[1:05:44] Voice 8: provincial um and a crown treaty negotiation that the ltc is outside of we just simply

[1:05:52] Voice 8: do not have information that we can comment on or offer to the community.

[1:05:56] Voice 8: So there is no

[1:05:57] Voice 8: intent to hide information. This is another

[1:06:00] Voice 8: level of government. The LTC is not involved in those conversations

[1:06:04] Voice 8: or those negotiations. I

[1:06:07] Voice 11: think you're missing my point.

[1:06:08] Voice 8: Okay. My

[1:06:10] Voice 11: point is that

[1:06:13] Voice 11: those lands are very real. The MOU is

[1:06:17] Voice 11: very real. It is all part of Kigarola.

[1:06:21] Voice 11: And if you're going to discuss future development in the lands that are in the jurisdiction

[1:06:26] Voice 11: of the Trust, I think it's important that we at least recognize, and you can mark it

[1:06:36] Voice 11: on the map, it wasn't marked on the map at all, that those lands will be outside the

[1:06:42] Voice 11: jurisdiction of the Trust, and it is uncertain what sort of development may or may not take

[1:06:47] Voice 11: place on them at this point.

[1:06:50] Voice 11: so with that unknown i feel that we should be discussing the outcome of our ocp

[1:06:58] Voice 11: and the possibility of any number of uh developments there because even though

[1:07:03] Voice 11: it's outside your jurisdiction as a governing body it is very very much a part of our community

[1:07:11] Trustee Patrick: understand. So thank you.

[1:07:14] Voice 11: Okay. Thank you.

[1:07:16] Voice 3: Okay. Oh, sorry. Good question. Well, one

[1:07:21] Voice 3: comment, one question. I do appreciate your comments, Gary. I don't think any of us thought

[1:07:27] Voice 3: that the bylaw deferral of enforcement would go on this long. I certainly didn't. But my

[1:07:35] Voice 3: My question is to a planner, when we do the OCP and it has its accompanying maps, is there

[1:07:42] Voice 3: a way to note on a map that certain lands are set aside for First Nations, sometimes

[1:07:50] Voice 3: for treaty negotiations and sometimes for other reasons?

[1:07:53] Voice 3: Is there a way to mark

[1:07:55] Voice 3: on our Official Community Plan maps and in our land use by-law maps

[1:08:04] Voice 3: perhaps, a way to note that certain portions of land are put aside for First Nations, for

[1:08:12] Voice 3: either treaty negotiations or for other First Nations work, is that right?

[1:08:19] Voice 8: The marquis crowned that.

[1:08:20] Voice 8: Yeah, I think that's the extent of which we can identify that it's crowned, because until

[1:08:25] Voice 8: there is any

[1:08:25] Voice 7: kind of decisions made, we can't effectively enshrine

[1:08:30] Trustee Patrick: something on a map.

[1:08:31] Trustee Patrick: yeah okay but just just so you can hear all the staff said that all we can do is indicate that

[1:08:37] Trustee Patrick: it's crown land that's the extent that we can do on our on our maps so that's the answer all right

[1:08:43] Trustee Patrick: who else wanted to address us today

[1:08:49] Trustee Patrick: i guess if you could come forward just as i know it's the sound in this room is not good

[1:08:57] Voice 5: I realize that the

[1:09:00] Trustee Patrick: time

[1:09:02] Voice 5: commenting on the policy statement has passed however I believe the policy

[1:09:12] Voice 5: statement in its draft form likely informs the OCP would I be correct in that

[1:09:22] Trustee Patrick: I know it's so hard generally there is a relationship between the trust policy statement

[1:09:28] Trustee Patrick: and the OCP okay so

[1:09:31] Voice 5: um this comment goes in part to the public engagement process on both

[1:09:40] Voice 5: which I felt was inadequate on the policy statement the public engagement started in June

[1:09:50] Voice 5: ran through the summer when most people aren't paying attention to this kind of stuff

[1:09:58] Voice 5: ran again through Christmas likewise after the November 20th meeting when again most people

[1:10:05] Voice 5: were preoccupied and then this council cut off further comments 10 or 12 days before the actual

[1:10:14] Voice 5: official end of the comment period so i'm looking at the public engagement process for the official

[1:10:23] Voice 5: community plan and oh sorry one more point i'd like to make on the policy statement the survey

[1:10:31] Voice 5: survey, in my view, was totally inadequate. We

[1:10:36] Voice 5: were given blocks of questions, blocks

[1:10:38] Voice 5: of policies, and a statement saying, do you agree that this accomplishes X? And we were

[1:10:47] Voice 5: told to either strongly disagree, somewhat disagree, agree, strongly agree. The definition

[1:10:56] Voice 5: The definitions section of the policy statement is critical to understanding the implications for many of the mandatory policy statements and the advisory ones.

[1:11:10] Voice 5: You cannot read that policy statement without reading the definitions.

[1:11:18] Voice 5: But the survey, curiously, did not include the definitions section.

[1:11:23] Voice 5: So in my view, that was a substantial flaw, a substantive flaw, and should invalidate

[1:11:30] Voice 5: that survey.

[1:11:31] Voice 5: People need to know what it is they're either agreeing with or not agreeing with.

[1:11:36] Voice 5: If you don't know how these terms are defined, you have no idea.

[1:11:41] Voice 5: So on the official community plan, I would like to see, if you're doing surveys, a better

[1:11:46] Voice 5: job on that.

[1:11:47] Voice 5: The other thing about the survey was that we were told at the November 20th meeting by the planner responsible for liaising with the designer of the survey and the operator that only one survey per IP address would be counted.

[1:12:05] Voice 5: counted. So households like mine, where there are four people who live here and are entitled

[1:12:12] Voice 5: to vote and should be able to have their voices heard, only had one survey counted. And again,

[1:12:21] Voice 5: that's a substantive flaw. So

[1:12:25] Voice 5: I'm bringing this forward now because I see you plan on

[1:12:30] Voice 5: perhaps surveying residents for the official community plan you need to do

[1:12:35] Voice 5: better but secondly we say you say we're in a public engagement phase on the

[1:12:42] Voice 5: official community plan now I have seen no draft I've seen weeks I've seen

[1:12:50] Voice 5: contradictory statements about what the 200 meter fucker zone that isn't to be

[1:12:56] Voice 5: be called that anymore it's supposed to mean or what it's for but i have seen no draft official

[1:13:05] Voice 5: community plan so in my view you are not in a public engagement phase that's apparently going

[1:13:13] Voice 5: to begin in april and run to june two months not enough then the land use by law which apparently

[1:13:22] Voice 5: has to be amended because it's not consistent with the OCP that we have not

[1:13:28] Voice 5: seen I don't know what the inconsistencies are we just told it's

[1:13:33] Voice 5: inconsistent so it's to be amended that public comment period again is to start

[1:13:40] Voice 5: in June and run to September through a summer period when people are not paying

[1:13:46] Voice 5: attention to this kind of thing. So those are my comments.

[1:13:54] Trustee Patrick: I really do ask that we, no clapping, and I'm not, because you want any opinions to be welcomed

[1:14:01] Trustee Patrick: here. I know public speaking for anyone is hard to do. We appreciate it when you do it. So please,

[1:14:08] Trustee Patrick: please, please respect that because I want everyone to feel comfortable to speak to us. Okay.

[1:14:13] Trustee Patrick: um sorry yes

[1:14:16] Voice 3: um just a question for the planners regarding survey results coming from ip addresses

[1:14:24] Voice 3: i too have a question because some people don't have um internet access at home and they use the

[1:14:32] Voice 3: library there is only one ip address at the library so what happens go ahead yeah speak loud

[1:14:41] Voice 26: So I can't give a definitive answer, but it's not just based on the IP address.

[1:14:48] Voice 26: If we were to receive hundreds of the exact same response, comments and everything are

[1:14:56] Voice 26: identical from one IP address, then that's when you would start looking at that.

[1:15:02] Voice 26: But it's not necessarily if they're the same responses from a single IP address.

[1:15:10] Voice 26: Okay,

[1:15:11] Voice 3: so for people from one IP address could do a survey and as long as they're not as long as they're not identical, they would be accepted.

[1:15:21] Voice 5: This is the

[1:15:22] Voice 5: information that was given so I can tell you that three members of my household did not complete the survey because we understood there was no point.

[1:15:33] Voice 5: So I really do think something needs to be done to correct for this and I do think the Honours Trust

[1:15:39] Voice 5: needs to go back to the residents of the Honours Trust and open up the common period and also

[1:15:46] Voice 5: amend that survey if that's what you're going to be using so that people can give substantive

[1:15:51] Voice 5: comments and so that they can understand what they want to. Thank you.

[1:15:57] Voice 5: So I have a question.

[1:15:58] Voice 8: Yes. So have you, just in regards to the OCP project, have you been to the website and gone

[1:16:07] Voice 8: through the information there? Have you seen the two what we heard reports with the results of the

[1:16:12] Voice 8: surveys that have been done? And I just want to ask what your opinion is. There's been two surveys

[1:16:18] Voice 8: done and there's two what we heard reports on the website. It is based on the information that we've

[1:16:26] Voice 8: heard from community that the draft policies are being developed um so while we are going to have

[1:16:32] Voice 8: an update later on um i really believe that you will find the draft policies are firmly grounded

[1:16:39] Voice 8: in what this community has already said over two years so thank you for the comments and i do

[1:16:45] Voice 8: encourage you to go to those what we heard reports i thought

[1:16:48] Voice 19: that i thought that's the case but i

[1:16:50] Voice 8: don't

[1:16:50] Voice 19: think if it's particularly if it's informed by the draft policy statement that that may be

[1:16:57] Voice 19: accurate because the policy statement is not it's

[1:17:00] Voice 8: informed by this community not the policy

[1:17:03] Voice 8: statement the policy statement's still draft so we're taking information from this community

[1:17:08] Voice 8: yep

[1:17:08] Voice 4: we

[1:17:12] Trustee Patrick: heard you and thank you very much okay i'm going to go to this gentleman here and then

[1:17:16] Trustee Patrick: the one in the back so um

[1:17:18] Voice 15: i agree with everybody your

[1:17:20] Trustee Patrick: name again just one

[1:17:21] Voice 15: person thank

[1:17:22] Trustee Patrick: you i agree

[1:17:23] Voice 15: that everybody should feel safe to speak how can we ensure our appreciation and agreements with

[1:17:28] Voice 15: someone who speaks it's

[1:17:31] Trustee Patrick: it's because someone that may have an other opinion who's worried about

[1:17:37] Trustee Patrick: speaking in public won't stand up because they're afraid you could move so that's why we don't boo

[1:17:43] Trustee Patrick: or clap in public meetings we want everyone to feel safe we want to hear what you have to say

[1:17:48] Trustee Patrick: you want to say the same thing that another person said you can get up and say that

[1:17:53] Trustee Patrick: that's the way thank you okay no clapping please i'm going to re-emphasize that okay the back room

[1:18:08] Trustee Patrick: sorry we can't hear you very well if you're probably just the room is

[1:18:12] Trustee Patrick: just absorbing your voice.

[1:18:15] Trustee Patrick: Sorry, thank you.

[1:18:16] Voice 23: I have a question regarding the IP address situation.

[1:18:19] Voice 23: You can use a virtual private network

[1:18:21] Voice 23: and shield your IP address.

[1:18:23] Voice 23: So presumably if you shield your IP address

[1:18:26] Voice 23: and use a different IP address from a different country,

[1:18:29] Voice 23: you can fill in the survey a multitude of times

[1:18:32] Voice 23: from a different IP address depending on what country you use

[1:18:35] Voice 23: as your virtual private network.

[1:18:37] Voice 23: So that to me is a flaw in the survey.

[1:18:40] Voice 23: thank you so

[1:18:44] Voice 8: just to reiterate public comments are still open you can still send letters

[1:18:50] Voice 8: correspondence i read that page every day there was over a hundred letters sent during the month

[1:18:56] Voice 8: of january and we read all of them to be able to collate our responses the ltc but members of the

[1:19:04] Voice 8: public can still send your letters so up to um adoption basically um so thank you for that that's

[1:19:11] Trustee Patrick: in regards to the

[1:19:11] Voice 8: other trust policy statement

[1:19:13] Trustee Patrick: there's one process the official community plan

[1:19:15] Trustee Patrick: another process okay um i think spoke i'm going to see if there's any other first

[1:19:21] Trustee Patrick: time speakers not in fact yeah alex okay um

[1:19:24] Trustee Patrick: this woman there please

[1:19:27] Voice 4: kelly bradley i just we're in this phase right now where everything is electronic

[1:19:34] Voice 27: are these surveys is everything available at the

[1:19:37] Voice 9: trust office during business hours where someone

[1:19:40] Voice 9: someone who does not have access to a computer can

[1:19:42] Voice 27: go and access it.

[1:19:44] Trustee Patrick: I believe we make all of our surveys available on paper as well.

[1:19:48] Trustee Patrick: And when we do have a survey open on the official community plan,

[1:19:53] Trustee Patrick: we'll tell you where the paper copies are available.

[1:19:55] Trustee Patrick: And I think we even offer staff to fill out surveys, you know,

[1:19:59] Trustee Patrick: if you tell them what to do, if you can't.

[1:20:01] Trustee Patrick: So we try to be as accessible as possible.

[1:20:04] Voice 8: All the surveys have been at the library and the Islands Trust offices,

[1:20:08] Voice 8: is trustee Yates and I held a couple of information meetings um so yeah but the the survey for the

[1:20:16] Voice 8: policy statement is now closed so there is no more paper copies available I understand that but

[1:20:21] Voice 8: going forward there needs to be widespread

[1:20:25] Voice 4: publication like in black and white not fancy

[1:20:29] Voice 4: color where people

[1:20:30] Voice 27: get lost in the colors black and white big print in the sounder this is where

[1:20:34] Voice 27: you can go and find it manually okay

[1:20:37] Trustee Patrick: thank you okay so first time speakers i think uh yep go ahead

[1:20:48] Voice 17: yeah

[1:20:48] Trustee Patrick: sorry john if you wouldn't mind coming forward here it's just uh

[1:20:54] Trustee Patrick: i know my turn

[1:20:56] Voice 17: to them maybe well

[1:20:58] Trustee Patrick: if you should face us okay good please

[1:21:00] Trustee Patrick: yeah you're talking to us not the audience i

[1:21:05] Voice 17: know from sitting there if they're talking to

[1:21:07] Voice 17: you they can't hear back there so okay let me try and get both

[1:21:09] Voice 20: first

[1:21:10] Voice 17: of all i want to say i find

[1:21:14] Voice 17: the process very difficult for people to speak at a trust meeting with limited time

[1:21:24] Voice 17: and I have to say I feel really intimidated to speak because of the admonishments about

[1:21:34] Voice 17: the First Nations and the racism comments that you're raising. We had a small group

[1:21:43] Voice 17: arrange a meeting with our federal MP at the library and it was cancelled because somebody

[1:21:50] Voice 17: somebody phoned in the librarian and indicated that it was a racist group and there was a

[1:21:58] Voice 17: security issue. I really find that hugely distasteful.

[1:22:05] Voice 8: What does this have to do with?

[1:22:06] Voice 8: You

[1:22:06] Trustee Patrick: told us that in the last meeting

[1:22:08] Trustee Patrick: when that occurred.

[1:22:10] Voice 17: I'm going to decline to speak. I'll just say this. This process for the OCP has been so

[1:22:18] Voice 17: so badly handled. The information that comes out to the public, in my view, is not complete.

[1:22:26] Voice 17: It is, there's a lot of misstatements. It's probably the most dramatic change in the history

[1:22:32] Voice 17: of the Gulf Islands. There are huge implications with respect to private land ownership.

[1:22:39] Voice 17: The trust seems to be pushing its way down a path of relying on DRIPA. When the province

[1:22:46] Voice 17: is declared that they're amending DRIPA, perhaps repealing DRIPA. The cases on private land,

[1:22:54] Voice 17: there's two cases going on in Canada now. Both of them are opposite in decision-making on private

[1:23:00] Voice 17: land. And I think until those decisions are made, until the province makes a decision on

[1:23:06] Voice 17: whether DRIPA should apply or not, whether we hear more from the First Nations about what they

[1:23:11] Voice 17: actually want on gabriel we don't hear from them we hear through you and i think we'd like to know

[1:23:20] Voice 17: if we're setting aside 700 acres and creating a buffer i think we'd like to know why we need

[1:23:27] Voice 17: that buffer what are we missing in our provincial and federal jurisdictions with the ministry of

[1:23:35] Voice 17: Transportation, the Archaeological Branch, the RDN, the Ministry of Environment, all protecting

[1:23:42] Voice 17: these issues. What are we missing for protections for First Nations that we need the trust

[1:23:50] Voice 17: to make an artificial map of 700 acres and an artificial buffer to somehow provide additional

[1:24:00] Voice 17: cultural protections that we don't know what they are what are what are we i'm not opposed to the

[1:24:07] Voice 17: first nations issues i keep trying to say that but i need to understand them i need to know

[1:24:12] Voice 17: why is the trust canceling my density

[1:24:15] Voice 7: i'm sorry yeah that's okay

[1:24:18] Voice 17: i know it's not on topics not

[1:24:19] Voice 17: important everyone

[1:24:20] Voice 17: here should be concerned of their property

[1:24:22] Voice 8: sorry sir but they're they're

[1:24:24] Voice 8: don't

[1:24:24] Voice 17: be sorry because

[1:24:25] Voice 8: taking allegations about the trust canceling density and i'm not

[1:24:28] Voice 8: that is not happening I'm sorry okay

[1:24:31] Voice 17: so you can you tell me now the trust is not

[1:24:33] Voice 17: going to cancel our density is that it's on your what

[1:24:38] Voice 8: are you referring to

[1:24:39] Voice 17: center

[1:24:40] Voice 17: stages 14 lots of density remaining for the 700 acre park we dedicated to get

[1:24:46] Voice 17: that density and I understand from the minutes I've read that there's a

[1:24:52] Voice 17: proposal to cancel those densities is that not true we

[1:24:57] Voice 8: can discuss that during

[1:24:58] Voice 8: the OCP review?

[1:25:00] Voice 17: Is it not true?

[1:25:01] Voice 17: Yes or no?

[1:25:02] Voice 8: I'm not going to address that right now.

[1:25:03] Voice 17: No, first you're not, because it's true.

[1:25:05] Voice 17: And so everyone sitting in this room should know

[1:25:09] Voice 17: there's 700 acres set aside,

[1:25:11] Voice 17: a totally arbitrary map

[1:25:14] Voice 17: that's being called an additional cultural heritage protection.

[1:25:19] Voice 17: And we don't know if that line

[1:25:21] Trustee Patrick: is going to change.

[1:25:22] Trustee Patrick: We spoke to the map extensively last month.

[1:25:26] Trustee Patrick: We have learned.

[1:25:27] Trustee Patrick: We know that that map was put out without any explanations.

[1:25:31] Trustee Patrick: Staff tried to explain how that map was fed into a map that looked at additional density.

[1:25:38] Trustee Patrick: Where additional density goes is how that map was used to do the land.

[1:25:44] Trustee Patrick: There is no inter-ability land analysis.

[1:25:48] Trustee Patrick: There is no intent to pay.

[1:25:50] Voice 17: The charge is finished, which he was saying.

[1:25:54] Trustee Patrick: We explained last month how that map was.

[1:25:56] Trustee Patrick: we we acknowledged and apologized for the way the map didn't have any explanations that went with it

[1:26:03] Trustee Patrick: we have learned we need to be clear on the information that we're sharing with the

[1:26:10] Trustee Patrick: community we understand that and so that that map has nothing to do with extinguishing density

[1:26:17] Trustee Patrick: it has to do with where is it appropriate to put additional density on this island

[1:26:25] Voice 17: well two points about that how are we going forward with the process when what you just

[1:26:34] Voice 17: said is not understood by anybody i don't

[1:26:37] Voice 17: think anybody here knows what you just said

[1:26:41] Voice 17: well let me just ask a more simple question what you've said now is you're no longer going to call

[1:26:48] Voice 17: the in a shoreline so that's great it doesn't have a name anymore i think what you're then

[1:26:54] Voice 17: saying is also you have new mapping for the shoreline issues and my understanding is that

[1:27:01] Voice 17: you're going to revisit that issue and the shoreline buffer will relate to specific areas

[1:27:09] Voice 17: that relate to the mapping is that how the shoreline

[1:27:13] Voice 17: the work

[1:27:15] Voice 8: that has just come out articulate and i hope you have a copy of the shoreline properties

[1:27:21] Voice 8: properties what is being considered contemplated what is off the table any revisions to current

[1:27:28] Voice 8: residential density is off the table that has not ever been contemplated and i don't know where the

[1:27:34] Voice 8: misinformation started but there was never any intent to withdraw or change tenure density so

[1:27:43] Voice 8: that piece of paper will explain more of what's so

[1:27:46] Voice 17: let me ask this question that the the 200 meter

[1:27:49] Voice 17: about this it still exists on the planet

[1:27:51] Trustee Patrick: there's no it

[1:27:52] Voice 17: just doesn't have a name there

[1:27:54] Trustee Patrick: no except we

[1:27:55] Trustee Patrick: we explained that that information went into the suitable land analysis i believe was the term to

[1:28:02] Trustee Patrick: determine where to put additional density so it was it was amongst a series of layers of maps that

[1:28:10] Trustee Patrick: went into creating an overall map that showed where is it appropriate to put additional density

[1:28:16] Trustee Patrick: And today we're going to be looking or starting to talk about the process of this water footprint, which would be another layer to go into that information. Where is it appropriate to put additional density on this island? That is the primary work that we've been focusing on. Where is it appropriate?

[1:28:34] Trustee Patrick: And

[1:28:35] Voice 17: so is it my understanding, I understand it the opposite way that what it is saying

[1:28:41] Voice 17: is in the big buffer area of Falls Narrows and the waterfront, those are areas that are

[1:28:49] Voice 17: not appropriate for development.

[1:28:51] Trustee Patrick: For additional density.

[1:28:54] Voice 17: Well, additional density, not appropriate for someone, semantics are crazy here.

[1:29:00] Voice 17: No, no, no.

[1:29:00] Voice 17: I know what you're saying on my seven on the seven acres of falls narrows my understanding

[1:29:06] Voice 17: is what you're saying is that area is not appropriate for additional development

[1:29:10] Voice 8: adding more densities that are already allowed under the current land use by law

[1:29:16] Voice 17: so so you're saying that there could be no further subdivision in that area

[1:29:24] Voice 8: that is the previous the direction that the LTC gave in November was to develop policies that

[1:29:32] Voice 8: that would permit what is currently allowed by subdivision

[1:29:35] Voice 8: through rezoning only?

[1:29:38] Voice 17: So you won't answer the question,

[1:29:41] Voice 17: but maybe later you will.

[1:29:43] Voice 17: Does that mean that my 14 densities

[1:29:46] Voice 17: that are in that false area,

[1:29:48] Voice 17: and then everybody else's zoning

[1:29:51] Voice 17: is not gonna be affected by whatever buffer is there?

[1:29:55] Trustee Patrick: Outside of the buffer, the subdivision?

[1:29:58] Trustee Patrick: Well, I think at this.

[1:30:00] Trustee Patrick: point we are moving forward with the project we do not have any draft materials before us staff

[1:30:07] Trustee Patrick: are preparing draft policies that will be coming publicly to you to us and we'll be discussing

[1:30:15] Trustee Patrick: those then that's how the process moves forward so we're not developing policy on this side of

[1:30:22] Trustee Patrick: the table we're waiting to receive a draft just as you are to see what's going to be proposed to this

[1:30:28] Trustee Patrick: community and then there will be additional community engagement to hear your thoughts on

[1:30:33] Trustee Patrick: that and you'll be welcome and we want to hear your remarks when we have drafts before us but

[1:30:39] Trustee Patrick: we're you're we don't have drafts before us i

[1:30:43] Voice 17: i didn't have to project i i let me just on your

[1:30:46] Voice 17: follow-up action report it says here staff to provide options and potential consequences

[1:30:53] Voice 17: to the removal of subdivision potential to support the Gabriel efficient community plan.

[1:31:00] Voice 17: Somewhere here, you've requested information from a lawyer about whether the density can be cancelled,

[1:31:09] Voice 17: considering that we already gave a 700 acre park for our density.

[1:31:15] Voice 17: Those two things to me point to the trust looking at seeking ways to either cancel our density

[1:31:24] Voice 17: or to not allow it in that buffer area.

[1:31:28] Voice 17: This is a personal issue

[1:31:30] Voice 8: that we probably need you to come in and talk

[1:31:32] Voice 8: to planners about because you're completing the OCP policy

[1:31:35] Voice 8: process with your own development, which has

[1:31:40] Voice 8: bylaws drafted, which is in place. So I'm not sure.

[1:31:45] Voice 8: I think you're adding a little bit of confusion

[1:31:49] Voice 8: for the whole community and focusing on your...

[1:31:53] Voice 17: Well, with respect, I think you people have caused the confusion.

[1:31:56] Voice 17: I'm trying to unconfuse it.

[1:31:57] Voice 17: I think this entire process should stop until there's an election.

[1:32:03] Voice 17: First of all, until there's community meetings where people come to meetings and ask all these questions and get good, comprehensive answers.

[1:32:11] Voice 17: So any confusion that you admit is already here can be clarified before this goes one step further.

[1:32:18] Voice 17: So I think we need community meetings, several.

[1:32:20] Voice 17: And then I think we need an opportunity to consider whether this whole process should stop until there's an election of trustees so the trustees can express clearly to the public what their opinions are in terms of respecting private property rights and balancing with First Nations rights.

[1:32:40] Voice 17: I think we should all know where the trustees stand so we can vote for trustees based on how it might impact the First Nations relationships and the private property relationships.

[1:32:53] Trustee Patrick: Thank you very much.

[1:32:55] Trustee Patrick: Okay, is there anyone else that wishes to address us today?

[1:33:00] Trustee Patrick: I want to look for first-time speakers if you don't mind first.

[1:33:03] Trustee Patrick: I always like the first-time speakers a chance.

[1:33:05] Trustee Patrick: In the back there, if you don't mind coming forward unless you know you have a really loud voice.

[1:33:10] Trustee Patrick: with you. It gets lost in the street.

[1:33:12] Voice 14: My name is Gabe Vandell. I think I just want to reiterate

[1:33:19] Voice 14: there's a lot of frustration which the last speaker spoke of and I think that there's a

[1:33:26] Voice 14: feeling of deception going on between what the community is learning and what we're hearing.

[1:33:33] Voice 14: You know, I've recently read a substack, one of the trustees, which was really derogatory

[1:33:41] Voice 14: to landowners, and it makes me feel like the trustees are not representing the community.

[1:33:48] Voice 14: They have their own agenda, and in a deceptive way, whether they remove the word buffer or

[1:33:55] Voice 14: not, we're not getting the reality of what's really happening.

[1:33:59] Voice 14: So it would be important that the trustees acknowledge that there's a lot of people here, because we're not feeling represented. And that's something I think that they should realize, perhaps an election will be the way we solve the problem.

[1:34:18] Voice 14: that's what I

[1:34:19] Trustee Patrick: think from from a communication standpoint we're going to be talking about the

[1:34:23] Trustee Patrick: process in a little bit here about the OCP I agree that we need clarity with the community

[1:34:30] Trustee Patrick: on engagement steps and what what is what is going to be coming to you to to engage on there

[1:34:37] Trustee Patrick: will be ample opportunities to hear your reactions and your thoughts of what the draft policies are

[1:34:43] Trustee Patrick: including a full public hearing, where you'll be able to go on record. So lots to come. I

[1:34:50] Trustee Patrick: understand that we need to provide clarity on that. So I do thank you for asking for that.

[1:34:55] Trustee Patrick: So I'm looking for first-time speakers first. Is there any additional first-time speakers?

[1:35:00] Trustee Patrick: I'm the woman here in front, please.

[1:35:05] Voice 4: My name is Joan Johnson, and I'm going to get a little bit

[1:35:09] Voice 4: of a different perspective. I've lived on Gabriela only for five years and I have found ample

[1:35:16] Voice 4: opportunity to have an elected two elected trustees who are working very hard for this

[1:35:24] Voice 4: community. It may not reflect everyone's perspectives but it certainly has reflected

[1:35:29] Voice 4: the majority of people's perspectives and I want to give thanks to the people that are working so

[1:35:37] Voice 4: so hard to develop an OCP's political or policy statement that is contemporary, looking

[1:35:45] Voice 4: at current issues such as the negotiations that are going on between the federal government

[1:35:52] Voice 4: with respect to Sunanian territory and First Nations issues, and with respect to climate

[1:35:58] Voice 4: change and with respect to water issues.

[1:36:01] Voice 4: they're trying to incorporate all of this into a comprehensive document and they've had multiple

[1:36:08] Voice 4: public meetings so that we can be exposed to some of the issues that they're talking about

[1:36:14] Voice 4: and present some some information to us and solicit our responses so i'm giving a different

[1:36:21] Voice 4: response and thank you very much thank

[1:36:24] Trustee Patrick: you there was a

[1:36:25] Trustee Patrick: woman in the middle here i think next please

[1:36:28] Trustee Patrick: That would be you? Thanks. I know it's hard to...

[1:36:33] Trustee Patrick: I'd

[1:36:34] Voice 10: like to suggest that if we have a meeting like this again, that we have mics up there, because if you

[1:36:45] Voice 10: ask me what Tony Elliott said, Toby Elliott, I couldn't tell you.

[1:36:54] Voice 10: No,

[1:36:55] Trustee Patrick: thank you. You are not the first one. I know Case over there has asked for microphones

[1:37:01] Trustee Patrick: as well.

[1:37:03] Trustee Patrick: I'm hearing nothing.

[1:37:05] Trustee Patrick: I'm sorry, Case. I know it's hard. So, thank you. Move to a bigger venue. We're trying

[1:37:15] Trustee Patrick: hard to respond and microphones would be nice.

[1:37:18] Trustee Patrick: But even

[1:37:19] Voice 10: people who were not there, they probably lowered their voice, and then we couldn't hear them either.

[1:37:26] Voice 10: I understand.

[1:37:29] Voice 8: The minutes of this meeting will record what the speakers have said.

[1:37:35] Voice 8: So when they come out next month, you can read the minutes.

[1:37:39] Voice 8: That's the official record of the meeting.

[1:37:41] Voice 7: Where will I read this?

[1:37:43] Voice 7: The

[1:37:44] Trustee Patrick: meeting minutes is what she mentioned.

[1:37:45] Trustee Patrick: mention, but yes, we do hear you about microphones. We're cognizant of that. We want everyone to be

[1:37:52] Trustee Patrick: able to hear in the space and we'll get there. I apologize. I'm trying hard to yell. Don't hear me

[1:38:02] Voice 3: tomorrow.

[1:38:04] Trustee Patrick: Go ahead. Well, I can wait till we've heard from everyone. Okay. So I'm still looking

[1:38:08] Trustee Patrick: for first-time speakers. I believe, yes, you are a first-time speaker.

[1:38:11] Voice 13: All right. I will remark

[1:38:14] Voice 13: off somewhat dryly madam chair if several years ago this venue was um a location for discussion

[1:38:22] Voice 13: with the steep slopes initiative but microphones were provided then it seems we've slipped backwards

[1:38:28] Voice 13: in time rather than making progress well

[1:38:31] Trustee Patrick: we hear you and we're trying okay uh first time speakers

[1:38:40] Voice 8: One thing I noticed that is dance around both these this map issue that was produced by

[1:38:48] Voice 8: the trust, not produced by some member of the public, but we keep avoiding the cultural

[1:38:55] Voice 8: heritage zone issue that that label that's got nothing to do with climate change, it's

[1:39:02] Voice 8: got nothing to do with shoreline protection but somehow we we don't get in dig into that topic

[1:39:11] Voice 8: and that large area that dawn was referring to was part of that label so that would be

[1:39:21] Voice 8: interesting if we could get more clarity on that because that certainly that certainly causes a lot

[1:39:28] Voice 8: lot of uh questioning and i would like to know if perhaps it's toby who know more about this

[1:39:35] Voice 8: at all um if you're going to tell us on gabriela what happened at the trust meeting on galiano

[1:39:45] Voice 8: on tuesday with regard to first nation issues and private property and what went forward there

[1:39:55] Voice 8: because it gives us a good insight to what's happening in the trust area sure

[1:40:03] Voice 8: um i'm actually working on a piece uh i i've been working on a piece uh on land back initiatives

[1:40:12] Voice 8: and how they can be how they are being expressed in regulatory tools and where they differ from

[1:40:21] Voice 8: ground First Nation specific claims or treaty negotiations. So there are four different types

[1:40:28] Voice 8: of land back initiatives. Some of them are community initiated. Some of them are through

[1:40:33] Voice 8: a development proposal as a community amenity benefit. And that last one is what happened on

[1:40:42] Voice 8: Galliano was a hundred acres was returned through a rezoning there were four bylaws drafted two OCP

[1:40:51] Voice 8: bylaws and two LUB bylaws and I think this goes back to the 1980s the original plan was that land

[1:41:01] Voice 8: would be donated to a third party for nature conservation and over the last six years as the

[1:41:10] Voice 8: They've engaged with Penelakut tribes.

[1:41:12] Voice 8: The bylaws were drafted to return 100 acres out of, I think, a fairly large parcel.

[1:41:19] Voice 8: So there's a mixed development.

[1:41:21] Voice 8: But, yeah, that's been a subject of much interest.

[1:41:25] Voice 8: And I'll be pleased to provide a bit of an overview of different land back initiatives.

[1:41:33] Voice 8: And that's been I've been working on supported by staff.

[1:41:37] Voice 8: I

[1:41:37] Trustee Patrick: can explain for Galeano is a unique island that had very large percentage of the island was

[1:41:43] Trustee Patrick: covered by forest blocks and there was you couldn't even have a house on that forest block

[1:41:49] Trustee Patrick: so their OCP laid out a process on how to rezone those blocks into other uses and that rezoning did

[1:41:59] Trustee Patrick: did require that a portion of that land

[1:42:03] Trustee Patrick: needed to be set to,

[1:42:05] Trustee Patrick: conservation was what it was first established for.

[1:42:08] Trustee Patrick: You had to establish a large conservation area

[1:42:14] Trustee Patrick: to be able to do something different

[1:42:15] Trustee Patrick: on the remainder of the block.

[1:42:17] Trustee Patrick: In this case, the land was returned to First Nations,

[1:42:20] Trustee Patrick: that portion of the block,

[1:42:23] Trustee Patrick: to allow them to do the rezoning

[1:42:25] Trustee Patrick: they wanted to do on the others.

[1:42:26] Trustee Patrick: so it was a yeah that was a robust public

[1:42:31] Voice 8: process and public hearing and um lots of community input

[1:42:35] Voice 8: um i think there was some resistance uh over two years ago initially um but with the passage of

[1:42:43] Voice 8: bill 13 which allows um and recognizes the first nation has the ability to hold title for the first

[1:42:51] Voice 8: time in the province of bc in 2024 um that enabled the the first nation to be a receiver

[1:42:58] Voice 8: of those lands which wouldn't have been possible before so yeah it's all happening in accordance

[1:43:02] Voice 8: with the provincial regulations and bylaws that were developed um in full transparency

[1:43:10] Voice 8: with the community that

[1:43:11] Trustee Patrick: cooperation with the landowner it was the landowners yeah it was

[1:43:14] Trustee Patrick: voluntary yeah so

[1:43:15] Voice 8: what was it the trust that didn't allow the owners of those uh forest

[1:43:22] Voice 8: blocks not to have not to be allowed to build a house that

[1:43:26] Trustee Patrick: was the re that was the zoning that

[1:43:28] Trustee Patrick: was put in place on galliano and that was that's correct but that was the local local trust

[1:43:33] Trustee Patrick: committee of galliano what's

[1:43:35] Voice 3: the reason for it so that goes back to the 1980s when mcflow owned most

[1:43:40] Voice 3: of that forested land on galliano and the community went through a horrendous procedure to try to

[1:43:48] Voice 3: save that land in forest in remaining forest knowing that if maclo what they intended to do

[1:43:57] Voice 3: was become a development company rather than a forestry company because that's what logging

[1:44:03] Voice 3: companies did in the 1980s because logging was no longer profitable and they did they tried to do

[1:44:08] Voice 3: that here as well so the community got together and they said if you're going to turn this entire

[1:44:14] Voice 3: forested most of galliano into development then we're going to work on this through our community

[1:44:21] Voice 3: plan and they did and it went to the court three times in order to save most of that land in large

[1:44:30] Voice 3: large forested areas with no housing there was a reason for that that was the community's will

[1:44:38] Voice 3: to save that forest and they worked really really hard to do that now the community 35 years later

[1:44:47] Voice 3: I was there I know 35 years later the community is now saying we need to look at this differently

[1:44:54] Voice 3: differently how can we allow some housing on this land how can we work with penelope nation

[1:45:02] Voice 3: who has thousands of years of history on that land work with them and also retain

[1:45:09] Voice 3: most of that forested land and it's working and they're working together to do that

[1:45:16] Voice 3: but

[1:45:18] Trustee Patrick: anyway that's that's another local trust committee and uh no

[1:45:23] Voice 8: but we have

[1:45:25] Voice 10: that notation

[1:45:27] Voice 10: on our official community plan coming up the exchange of heritage sites

[1:45:34] Voice 8: for some amenity

[1:45:38] Voice 8: or extra density or something so this is something this is something that we're looking at for our

[1:45:46] Voice 8: future as I see it anyhow. I

[1:45:49] Trustee Patrick: don't know yet.

[1:45:51] Voice 8: The draft policies

[1:45:52] Voice 8: will be coming up.

[1:45:53] Voice 8: You know, why be surprised? Why not be informed? And I think that it's important that people on

[1:45:59] Voice 8: Gabriel Island understand that these possibilities are coming forward and should be considered in

[1:46:07] Voice 8: the whole picture. And I know the history, thank you, Susan, of Galliano very well. I'm very

[1:46:15] Voice 8: attached

[1:46:15] Voice 5: to several of the families that have been there always. I use it

[1:46:21] Voice 10: for the police

[1:46:23] Voice 10: impersonation who come out to be there. I understand the dynamics that are going on,

[1:46:30] Voice 10: which is why

[1:46:31] Voice 8: I know what's what's what is going on with those forest blocks. But I think it's important

[1:46:37] Voice 8: I'm hoping that the people on Gabriola understand this and who the players are.

[1:46:45] Voice 8: Considering that Penelope were also Penelope, the Axe and Chimenas, Cowichan tribes were also on Gabriola Island.

[1:46:56] Voice 8: So you do agree with me, Toby, that they were.

[1:46:59] Voice 8: Well, 100%. Ken Thomas is of Penelope, his grandfather is of Gignac Bay.

[1:47:09] Voice 5: I think that's something that is always

[1:47:17] Voice 5: it wasn't

[1:47:18] Voice 8: a model culture here but I think I think it's important that people

[1:47:21] Voice 8: because this is breaking news I think it's important that people in the game will not

[1:47:26] Voice 8: understand that this is a possibility as a voluntary

[1:47:33] Voice 8: no landowner can be compelled

[1:47:35] Voice 8: to give land in a transfer, right?

[1:47:38] Voice 8: So this is a voluntary transaction

[1:47:40] Voice 8: that is codified.

[1:47:42] Voice 8: So yeah, it was a voluntary transaction

[1:47:44] Voice 8: that the trust oversaw

[1:47:48] Voice 8: that benefited the landowner

[1:47:51] Voice 8: and benefited the benefit.

[1:47:54] Voice 8: But when we're looking at an overdue

[1:47:56] Voice 8: for an official community plan

[1:47:58] Voice 8: plan, from my training, you also have to see what benefit is for the community and place

[1:48:04] Voice 8: a value on that too, right, I mean, I think, I don't know, we can't be handing out densities

[1:48:15] Voice 8: without some sort of benefit to the community. Because those densities take resources need

[1:48:23] Voice 8: need to generate revenue in order to pay for the resources that the people that live there

[1:48:30] Voice 8: are taking from the community. It all has to be paid for. And First Nations are part of our

[1:48:37] Voice 8: community. No, no, no, I'm

[1:48:39] Voice 5: just, I'm not specifically talking about maybe some other

[1:48:43] Voice 5: looking at giving them suites on the island. There should be some benefit to the island and

[1:48:50] Voice 5: the rest of the community

[1:48:51] Voice 19: and not an additional tax burden

[1:48:53] Trustee Patrick: thank you for those

[1:48:55] Voice 18: points all right

[1:48:56] Trustee Patrick: first time speakers again all right i know we've been at this for a while i'm uh uh

[1:49:07] Trustee Patrick: i'm going to allow second time speakers but we do need to wrap up and get on with the other

[1:49:11] Trustee Patrick: business that's before us so if you can have quick questions i'd appreciate it i heard you

[1:49:15] Voice 11: mentioned earlier the trust or the staff are working on a map to identify likely locations

[1:49:24] Voice 12: for additional density that

[1:49:27] Trustee Patrick: was the suitable land analysis map that is that class meeting

[1:49:31] Trustee Patrick: the

[1:49:32] Voice 8: land information list information screening tool um so as part of the affordable housing um

[1:49:45] Voice 8: project, which is now kind of complete. There's a housing toolkit developed and a land screening

[1:49:50] Voice 8: tool, which basically directs that you do the work to understand where any additional

[1:49:57] Voice 8: densities can be put and should not be put. So part of our conversation is the fresh water.

[1:50:03] Voice 12: My real question is,

[1:50:04] Voice 8: have

[1:50:06] Voice 11: you already determined as OCP policy that there should be additional

[1:50:11] Voice 11: densities allowed here.

[1:50:14] Voice 8: I haven't seen the LCP policies in the what we heard reports is what

[1:50:19] Voice 8: the community has said they want to see and that is reflected in the draft policies that we'll see.

[1:50:25] Voice 8: Is

[1:50:25] Voice 11: that community input we just mentioned generated on the October 17th?

[1:50:31] Voice 8: No it's been

[1:50:32] Voice 8: two years of community engagement. I'm

[1:50:35] Voice 11: not hearing from people I know in this community

[1:50:38] Voice 11: I know a few who want to see increased urbanization, increased population potential on here.

[1:50:46] Voice 11: I

[1:50:46] Voice 8: hear you. There's definitely a mixed...

[1:50:49] Voice 8: I'm

[1:50:50] Voice 11: not hearing that from the people I've talked to.

[1:50:53] Voice 11: I'm not exactly sure.

[1:50:55] Voice 11: And when I review those October 17th presentation, it's full of misinformation.

[1:51:01] Voice 11: I

[1:51:01] Voice 8: invite you to talk to staff about anything you feel is not accurate.

[1:51:06] Voice 8: it okay i

[1:51:07] Voice 11: think i should talk to the trustees perhaps they don't see we didn't generate the

[1:51:12] Voice 8: presentation staff are the experts we rely on to make decisions so if you have issues with the

[1:51:17] Voice 8: information coming out i encourage you to um ask us and we can ask that okay and

[1:51:22] Trustee Patrick: and i also you

[1:51:23] Trustee Patrick: know like i said when we all have the draft policies before us we'll all be talking to

[1:51:27] Trustee Patrick: something on paper that we can talk to right now we're supposing and i think it's really important

[1:51:33] Trustee Patrick: that we get to this next step and have a draft of OCP policies before us because then you can

[1:51:40] Trustee Patrick: speak specifically, I don't like this policy or I like this policy, and then we are all talking

[1:51:46] Trustee Patrick: to the same documents. I think that's going to be very helpful for the community. So thank you.

[1:51:51] Trustee Patrick: Here are the challenges that we've had with the process. Okay, quick question.

[1:51:58] Voice 27: second thank you to toby and susan because they're overworked and underappreciated and i

[1:52:04] Voice 27: build on what jones says but at the same time i do have some concerns that we've processed

[1:52:10] Voice 27: and that really is it should be tethered to the tps but the tps is still under investigation we've

[1:52:19] Voice 27: just done reviews on it with second pages and pages of review it's not burned yet and yet we

[1:52:26] Voice 27: We have to be tethered to the OCP, to the TPS.

[1:52:30] Voice 27: And also, we've just got our freshwater study, which needs to go into the OCP.

[1:52:37] Voice 27: And it needs to be reflected there.

[1:52:39] Voice 27: But I don't see, in a million years, I don't see how we're going to get all this in, review and all this in, before the dates that you've suggested.

[1:52:49] Voice 27: I think you're right, Mary and Gary.

[1:52:52] Voice 27: We do need more time.

[1:52:53] Voice 27: Just to do it right.

[1:52:54] Voice 27: because it's so essential this is for 25 years and we want to be able to look 25 years hence

[1:53:01] Voice 27: and say we did the right thing we preserved the research charge areas we preserved forests we

[1:53:07] Voice 27: did what we could to keep this island functioning and ecologically healthy thank you to the planners

[1:53:14] Voice 27: too i know you guys do a lot of work thank you that's my bed thank

[1:53:19] Voice 23: you all right in the back

[1:53:30] Voice 23: I'm wondering, so they present the OCP with all the scientific evidence, etc, etc, and

[1:53:37] Voice 23: then you vote on it.

[1:53:38] Voice 23: So once the scientific evidence is presented to the community and we okay it, then would

[1:53:45] Voice 23: Would you say that in your judgment,

[1:53:48] Voice 23: the trustees still have a right to veto

[1:53:50] Voice 23: whatever the plan has come up with

[1:53:52] Voice 23: or whatever the community actually wants?

[1:53:55] Trustee Patrick: The decision makers are these three.

[1:53:57] Trustee Patrick: Two

[1:53:58] Voice 23: hands in the air.

[1:53:59] Trustee Patrick: The three of us are the decision makers.

[1:54:02] Trustee Patrick: Right.

[1:54:02] Trustee Patrick: Staff respond to what we ask them to do.

[1:54:05] Trustee Patrick: They bring drafts before us.

[1:54:07] Trustee Patrick: We will be communicating with the community.

[1:54:10] Trustee Patrick: We can say we'd like to see changes.

[1:54:13] Trustee Patrick: We can direct changes.

[1:54:15] Trustee Patrick: We make resolutions and we tell the staff how we'd like to see changes to that.

[1:54:19] Trustee Patrick: That's the process.

[1:54:21] Voice 23: Three people sitting at the table there ultimately have the final decision on what finals are enacted.

[1:54:30] Trustee Patrick: Final, final decision. No, not on the OCP.

[1:54:34] Trustee Patrick: The Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing has the final decision.

[1:54:38] Trustee Patrick: She

[1:54:38] Voice 23: had the final decision of the representative of the overall OCT policy, not only on the

[1:54:46] Voice 23: by-law.

[1:54:47] Voice 8: No, it's on the by-law.

[1:54:50] Voice 20: That's

[1:54:50] Voice 8: why we just did a rigorous public hearing process, which there's a very long folder

[1:54:55] Voice 8: with all the public correspondence, with everybody's views, and it is the minister that can say

[1:55:00] Voice 8: there has been enough public consultation or not enough, and we've had by-laws returned,

[1:55:06] Voice 8: termed, especially when they have not demonstrated a record of engagement with First Nations

[1:55:10] Voice 8: for one thing.

[1:55:11] Voice 8: So community engagement has to be robust.

[1:55:13] Voice 8: We also have to do our due diligence with all the other agencies, including the RDN.

[1:55:20] Voice 23: Based on the community survey, we had 500 responses to the survey, we actually don't

[1:55:25] Voice 23: know the number that we received based on IP address information.

[1:55:30] Voice 23: information. I think that is 550 days. That is over 10% of

[1:55:37] Voice 23: this community population that responded to the survey. Yes,

[1:55:41] Trustee Patrick: that is pretty dismal.

[1:55:43] Trustee Patrick: Okay, well, sorry, let's, the next stage is to have the draft

[1:55:47] Trustee Patrick: policies and the engagement that's going to be associated

[1:55:50] Trustee Patrick: with that those draft policies. So that's the next step that's

[1:55:53] Trustee Patrick: coming. If you don't feel that the information you gave was

[1:55:56] Trustee Patrick: reflected in the policies, we're going to ask to hear that from

[1:55:59] Trustee Patrick: you. But we'll have policies before us that we can respond to. So I am asking for some patience.

[1:56:06] Trustee Patrick: I know our communications can be better. I'm looking at policies are coming here and saying

[1:56:10] Trustee Patrick: we're going

[1:56:11] Trustee Patrick: to have first reading

[1:56:12] Trustee Patrick: in the spring. We'll have first reading when we're ready to have

[1:56:16] Trustee Patrick: first reading. Let's be clear about that. The trustees will receive and you will receive the

[1:56:22] Trustee Patrick: draft policies. We're going to go through the process. First reading will occur when we are

[1:56:26] Trustee Patrick: are prepared to make have it could be

[1:56:28] Voice 23: in a year or two years i

[1:56:30] Trustee Patrick: i can't first

[1:56:31] Voice 8: reading is necessary

[1:56:34] Voice 8: so that you have a draft so that everybody is commenting on the same thing we cannot do

[1:56:40] Voice 8: referrals we to the community to other agencies without first reading so that is the first step

[1:56:45] Voice 8: and that we get to it as soon as possible is probably in the best interest of everybody so

[1:56:49] Voice 8: we can all have time with it if we

[1:56:52] Voice 8: delay any further that's not going to help the process any

[1:56:55] Voice 8: but

[1:56:56] Trustee Patrick: we still don't have a draft before us so until we have a draft for us the schedule can be changed

[1:57:01] Trustee Patrick: so correct yes yes absolutely okay final question over here and we need to get out of their meeting

[1:57:10] Trustee Patrick: point

[1:57:10] Voice 13: of information you mentioned that no one could be forced to surrender their title

[1:57:15] Voice 13: it will leave out the question of what title is for the courts but i will note that anyone

[1:57:21] Voice 13: one could be forced to surrender their title through excessive taxation and overbearing

[1:57:27] Voice 13: regulation.

[1:57:30] Voice 4: Because none of us own land, the Crown owns the land, we have to be simple for it.

[1:57:38] Voice 4: I

[1:57:38] Trustee Patrick: don't

[1:57:40] Voice 4: want to get

[1:57:40] Trustee Patrick: into the, thank you for everyone on the, those are, we need a community

[1:57:45] Trustee Patrick: any information on tenure yeah

[1:57:47] Voice 8: all

[1:57:48] Trustee Patrick: right um do you have a quick question

[1:57:51] Voice 4: quick statement or request

[1:57:53] Voice 4: okay when you get to the point of having the draft policy will you please do something to

[1:58:00] Voice 4: ensure that it gets into every mailbox on the grow up or to get the information on it yes

[1:58:06] Voice 4: please not with a link to a website put it in paper all the words black and white in a mail

[1:58:14] Voice 4: out if it's 50 pages i mean i looked at the agenda 268 pages granted 160 some of that are the water

[1:58:24] Voice 4: study which had 66 respondents in the survey so really really bad so and and not only that you

[1:58:35] Voice 4: get 66 responses to that survey and there are 20 or 30 pages of that dedicated to that

[1:58:42] Trustee Patrick: survey was

[1:58:43] Trustee Patrick: that really worth it yeah i think i do thank you your uh comments that you've heard today we do

[1:58:50] Trustee Patrick: hear you we do appreciate your comments that's why we hold these meetings that's why we're here to

[1:58:55] Trustee Patrick: listen to you so thank you and i do appreciate uh we will take those into consideration as we

[1:59:01] Trustee Patrick: move forward um with the project and with all the decisions that this body makes i i know your

[1:59:07] Trustee Patrick: trustees listen intently as i'm one of yours too um just

[1:59:12] Voice 3: a really quick follow-up um mary mary

[1:59:15] Voice 3: collier are you still here okay so i was you were mentioning that you know if we get a first reading

[1:59:21] Voice 3: draft ready for the community to look at you were saying you mentioned different times of the year

[1:59:27] Voice 3: when people just aren't paying attention and i think you said something between june and september

[1:59:33] Voice 3: yeah June and September let's pretend the land use bylaw the development application

[1:59:38] Voice 3: information bylaw and the OCP have first drafts ready for the community to look at by June that

[1:59:46] Voice 3: might be a miracle but say they did well then we would want the community to be looking at that

[1:59:51] Voice 3: over the summer but you're saying

[1:59:53] Voice 3: no people aren't going to look at something like that

[1:59:56] Voice 3: between June and September.

[1:59:58] Voice 3: So any...

[2:00:00] Voice 3: suggestions? Well,

[2:00:01] Voice 19: I think two months is too long. Okay, so great.

[2:00:06] Voice 5: And I agree with this speaker about the need to disseminate it broadly and

[2:00:13] Voice 19: make it

[2:00:14] Voice 5: available in a paper format. I had to email a trust person, I don't know if it was a partner, to ask where to find your site.

[2:00:30] Voice 5: and your website is full of material. It's very hard to have with someone like me.

[2:00:40] Voice 5: So I asked them for their names and they kind of, but you know, then I'm taking out staff time

[2:00:48] Voice 5: to do something which, you know, if they had to respond to the president,

[2:00:55] Voice 5: much. So I do need to somehow figure out a way to get this much.

[2:01:03] Trustee Patrick: And I thank you for that. I really do. All right, trustees, do you want to take a break now? So I

[2:01:09] Trustee Patrick: want to thank you again for your comments. We're going to take a 30 minute break here basically

[2:01:14] Trustee Patrick: to one o'clock and resume the meeting. So thank you for coming.

[2:37:36] Voice 18: It's your coats

[2:37:37] Voice 7: off and get warm.

[2:37:43] Voice 18: As

[2:37:43] Voice 26: long as you should come closer.

[2:37:46] Voice 18: Yeah.

[2:37:47] Voice 18: Up here at the table.

[2:37:52] Voice 18: All right.

[2:37:57] Trustee Patrick: I'd like to thank you for everyone who participated in the public comment period.

[2:38:08] Trustee Patrick: We are now in Section 7 of the agenda, which is the minutes.

[2:38:13] Trustee Patrick: We have the minutes from our January 22nd meeting for adoption.

[2:38:20] Trustee Patrick: Are there any additions or corrections?

[2:38:23] Trustee Patrick: Go ahead, Trustee Yates.

[2:38:25] Trustee Patrick: Yes.

[2:38:26] Trustee Patrick: Page 2 of

[2:38:28] Voice 3: the draft minutes, almost the last bullet there before the chair's report.

[2:38:35] Voice 3: report. It's Tanner Timothy and not Timothy Tanner as vice chair for the Islands Trust

[2:38:42] Voice 3: Conservancy Board.

[2:38:44] Voice 7: And then, oh,

[2:38:48] Voice 3: the very on page five of the minutes, very last paragraph

[2:38:56] Voice 3: of the first half there, I think it's supposed to be fee simple ownership and not simple

[2:39:02] Voice 3: fee ownership which paragraph

[2:39:05] Voice 3: um

[2:39:06] Voice 4: right

[2:39:08] Voice 3: i did send these in to lisa villard earlier thank you

[2:39:13] Voice 3: any other

[2:39:14] Trustee Patrick: additions or corrections to the minutes

[2:39:17] Trustee Patrick: can we approve the minutes

[2:39:19] Trustee Patrick: as amended through general consent thank you all right uh we have

[2:39:28] Trustee Patrick: the follow-up action list at item 8.1 on the agenda page 18 of the agenda package

[2:39:35] Trustee Patrick: Any items that staff want to bring to our attention from the follow-up action list?

[2:39:41] Voice 24: The one I've brought an update on and Mark just completed is regarding the pre-carriage shellfish survey.

[2:39:49] Voice 24: There's also the idea to see confirmation from Pacific Park Fisheries that they did not do a survey this past year.

[2:39:55] Voice 24: They've really confirmed that now, and I asked for any prior results they have from surveys.

[2:40:00] Voice 24: it there wasn't anything that they presently share publicly um there may be something that they're

[2:40:07] Voice 24: they're working on that they could they would be putting in the future but at this point that's

[2:40:18] Voice 3: okay that's great because i was going to ask if we can remove it

[2:40:22] Voice 24: yes it will be removed as mark just completed so that it will be removed

[2:40:25] Voice 24: do in

[2:40:25] Voice 5: life support. No

[2:40:27] Voice 8: resolution necessary. Any

[2:40:28] Voice 8: other questions, Trustee Elliott?

[2:40:30] Voice 8: Yeah. So number one, can someone update me on the development permit areas list? Did

[2:40:39] Voice 8: we sort of decide that we're not going to consider development permit areas or refer

[2:40:47] Voice 8: that to anybody? I can't remember what the update was.

[2:40:49] Voice 8: So

[2:40:50] Voice 7: we are not going to consider

[2:40:54] Voice 10: any ones that require either identifying new boundaries

[2:41:03] Voice 12: or creating new guidelines that don't currently exist.

[2:41:09] Voice 12: Where the boundaries exist and where there may be boundaries

[2:41:13] Voice 7: and guidelines that need

[2:41:15] Voice 7: updating, we're completing some of those.

[2:41:17] Voice 7: But in terms of the new ones that would require delineating, like, new area, new development

[2:41:24] Voice 7: permit area, those are just going to be prioritized

[2:41:27] Voice 12: in the OCP.

[2:41:27] Voice 8: They're going to be prioritized in the OCP.

[2:41:31] Voice 8: So we're not going to see, say, the results of the RDN's coastal processes mapping,

[2:41:38] Voice 8: and if there's sea level rise and De Courcy is going to be underwater in 80 years,

[2:41:44] Voice 8: um probably should be a development permit area there but we're not going to have that as part

[2:41:49] Voice 8: of our ocp

[2:41:49] Voice 7: that won't be part of those

[2:41:50] Voice 8: because that would require some additional um work well

[2:41:56] Voice 8: substantial work okay to delineate the bound the development permit area boundary okay yeah so

[2:42:02] Voice 8: currently no development permit areas in the shoreline or anywhere that are not already in

[2:42:08] Voice 8: in our OCP are being contemplated as part of this project?

[2:42:11] Voice 8: Yeah, so like I said, we're updating some of the guidelines,

[2:42:17] Voice 8: like for example, the islands, right?

[2:42:19] Voice 8: And we are looking at areas that are already defined,

[2:42:28] Voice 8: the areas already defined.

[2:42:30] Voice 7: Okay, thank you.

[2:42:32] Voice 8: And that's the way that the DPAs generally are in your OCP.

[2:42:36] Voice 7: be but yeah nothing

[2:42:37] Voice 8: that's requiring new boundaries so

[2:42:42] Voice 3: i'd like to just follow up on that so nothing

[2:42:44] Voice 3: that even though the maps that we now have might show that this is a a forested area that should

[2:42:55] Voice 3: probably be protected for water catchment we no no chance of putting that in a dpa

[2:43:02] Voice 3: unless you're talking about a

[2:43:04] Voice 7: lot one lot yeah but where

[2:43:07] Voice 3: we have to

[2:43:07] Voice 7: um um where we might have

[2:43:11] Voice 7: where we would have to look at an area yeah you have to do that work with more than i mean in

[2:43:16] Voice 7: terms of the groundwater it's a next step and it's it's it it it's it's makes sense to be

[2:43:23] Voice 7: the first EPA

[2:43:26] Trustee Patrick: that you do but it will require a bit of work uh you know we've got the mapping

[2:43:30] Trustee Patrick: but there is a process

[2:43:32] Voice 7: that you have to go through to identify the extent of that area.

[2:43:39] Voice 7: Yeah.

[2:43:40] Voice 3: But that will be done?

[2:43:42] Voice 8: Not as part of this OCP review. It'll be identified as a priority in the Illumination Section.

[2:43:49] Voice 7: Oh, okay. I didn't mean

[2:43:51] Voice 7: to ask you about that. Okay.

[2:43:53] Voice 7: Any other questions on the follow-up action list?

[2:43:56] Voice 7: Yes.

[2:43:59] Voice 7: on

[2:43:59] Voice 3: page three of the follow-up action report um number two says it's 100% done

[2:44:09] Voice 3: um i'm a bit confused about this chair to send letter to rdn director read policy options and

[2:44:17] Voice 3: approach specific to gabriel island for unique housing needs and island appropriate housing

[2:44:22] Voice 3: housing solutions and then it says chair to confirm whether to send letters I think it's

[2:44:30] Voice 3: supposed to be out and not hours or to defer to a protocol meeting right staff to staff discussions

[2:44:39] Voice 3: to happen following direction like what direction and how is this hundred percent completed

[2:44:47] Voice 24: is it I don't know if our PM Jamrat is on in the meeting I think this was an update that was put

[2:44:53] Voice 24: Put in there. What I'm recalling that might be related to this is the resolution from your previous meeting in January, where you did ask for a protocol meeting with Regional District of Nanaimo and indicated a couple of topics that should be on that draft as well.

[2:45:09] Voice 24: So that may be what that comment is referring to, but for further clarity.

[2:45:15] Voice 3: Staff-to-staff discussions to happen following direction.

[2:45:20] Voice 3: direction well

[2:45:21] Voice 8: it's a it's it was about the enforcement uh rdn's enforcement on

[2:45:27] Voice 8: so the next one the cob dwellings and all of that yeah and so we made two resolutions to

[2:45:36] Voice 8: ask invite the rdn to explore yeah remember that yeah specific solutions right for gabriola and as

[2:45:44] Voice 8: the director said they're doing a rural housing strategy for everybody else but gabriola because

[2:45:49] Voice 8: Because we need to do that for Gabriela.

[2:45:51] Voice 8: But where it comes to, I think it's the enforcement on non-conforming dwellings.

[2:45:57] Voice 8: And then we discussed at the last meeting that this would be a good item for our protocol meeting with the RDN.

[2:46:04] Voice 8: Which is item 9

[2:46:05] Voice 8: on page 23 of the agenda package.

[2:46:07] Voice 8: So

[2:46:07] Voice 3: I think staff are following up.

[2:46:09] Voice 3: That would be an agenda item.

[2:46:11] Voice 3: Okay, so that's why it's 100% because staff have followed up.

[2:46:14] Voice 3: They did ask about that letter.

[2:46:16] Voice 8: We never sent the letter.

[2:46:20] Voice 24: I don't really have more clarity on that item exactly. I sent a message to the buying manager and she says she will be jumping in right now.

[2:46:29] Voice 24: Oh,

[2:46:29] Voice 18: okay. Excellent.

[2:46:32] Voice 18: All

[2:46:37] Voice 8: right, then. I think we can remove some of these that are complete, right?

[2:46:41] Voice 8: They're not complete. They automatically come off.

[2:46:43] Voice 24: Anything that's marked as completed will disappear from this list for your next meeting.

[2:46:49] Voice 3: And I have one more question on the follow-up action report on page four of the report.

[2:46:55] Voice 3: Number three, OCP review project, request staff explore with the RDN the use of temporary use

[2:47:04] Voice 3: permits for non-conforming buildings that have applied for a building permit. I thought we

[2:47:09] Voice 3: decided that we couldn't do that. Didn't we get advice from the RDN that that was not a good idea?

[2:47:14] Voice 8: Or

[2:47:14] Voice 3: am I imagining that? We got

[2:47:15] Voice 8: advice from our staff.

[2:47:17] Voice 3: Okay, that was not a good way to go about

[2:47:20] Voice 3: things which i

[2:47:21] Voice 8: think it's part of the whole it's connected to the housing approach because

[2:47:29] Voice 8: it's about you know what is a way of beginning to regulate these non-conforming dwellings

[2:47:38] Voice 8: and i didn't think that tups were out of the range of possibilities but i thought staff had

[2:47:44] Voice 8: said no that's not an option well

[2:47:46] Voice 3: tups are not usually a good idea for anything other than maybe

[2:47:50] Voice 3: Maybe short-term vacation rentals.

[2:47:52] Voice 3: Domain uses for RVs.

[2:47:54] Voice 3: They're allowed for residential use now.

[2:47:57] Voice 3: Okay.

[2:47:58] Trustee Patrick: Personally,

[2:47:58] Voice 3: I don't think they're a great idea

[2:48:00] Voice 3: because at some point the temporary part wears out

[2:48:02] Voice 3: and then you have to do something more permanent.

[2:48:05] Voice 3: I know.

[2:48:05] Voice 8: Which

[2:48:05] Voice 3: OCP is a permanent thing.

[2:48:07] Voice 3: But

[2:48:07] Voice 8: as we've been hearing,

[2:48:08] Voice 8: we have to figure out,

[2:48:11] Voice 8: we have to get out of this non-enforcement policy.

[2:48:15] Voice 8: And so I think this was contemplated as a tool,

[2:48:18] Voice 8: as an interim tool.

[2:48:20] Voice 8: So maybe this should be on the agenda for the protocol meeting.

[2:48:23] Voice 8: Well, it says Nerissa

[2:48:24] Voice 3: and Stephen are.

[2:48:26] Voice 3: Yeah, well, let's let Planner Bob.

[2:48:28] Voice 3: So yeah, tell us

[2:48:29] Voice 3: what's happening with that.

[2:48:30] Voice 24: Well, yeah, sure.

[2:48:32] Voice 24: This is something we have followed up with you on.

[2:48:34] Voice 24: If you're still, you're not any longer,

[2:48:37] Voice 24: we can remove it from this webinar.

[2:48:38] Voice 24: But if you are, then we will follow up.

[2:48:41] Voice 24: And if it's one of those things that you've already identified for the protocol meeting,

[2:48:45] Voice 24: then it would be on that agenda as well.

[2:48:48] Voice 24: well. I'm just looking to see that.

[2:48:50] Voice 24: Yeah, I think it should be.

[2:48:51] Voice 24: Yeah.

[2:48:52] Voice 8: So could we request that that be added to the agenda for

[2:48:55] Voice 8: the protocol? Maybe it's sort of just a discussion on housing

[2:48:58] Voice 8: approaches?

[2:48:59] Voice 8: Yeah. And then yeah,

[2:49:00] Voice 24: generally, that is that what you've asked

[2:49:03] Voice 24: for is including the topic of policy options and an approach

[2:49:08] Voice 24: on housing specific to Gabriel. So if you think that covers it,

[2:49:13] Voice 24: I do it, it's already there. If you want to actually specify

[2:49:16] Voice 24: supply the TUVs then?

[2:49:19] Voice 3: No, that's fine. I think we should just

[2:49:21] Voice 3: get rid of that one that has 0%

[2:49:23] Voice 3: on it, because I think we'll remember

[2:49:25] Voice 3: quite easily that it definitely needs

[2:49:27] Voice 3: to be up with our big discussion with the

[2:49:29] Voice 3: review. I don't think that you should

[2:49:32] Voice 3: be doing, like, separate work

[2:49:34] Voice 3: on that. Oh, no.

[2:49:36] Voice 8: Oh, I see. OCP review.

[2:49:37] Voice 8: That's right. Yeah, I just

[2:49:41] Voice 8: don't think that's appropriate. It doesn't fit

[2:49:44] Voice 8: with the OCP review. This is probably

[2:49:46] Voice 8: but it would have to be

[2:49:48] Voice 8: our OCP would have to be amended

[2:49:49] Voice 8: it to allow temporary use permits to be used for that purpose.

[2:49:53] Trustee Patrick: Correct. Yeah, that's where it's

[2:49:55] Trustee Patrick: your OCP has to, if that's something you want to consider, the OCP would have to allow temporary

[2:50:00] Trustee Patrick: use permits for residential use. Okay. And whether or not you implement them through the land use

[2:50:06] Trustee Patrick: bylaw is a different step.

[2:50:10] Voice 3: I would like advice from Planner Chadwick. So is that a reasonable

[2:50:15] Voice 3: little thing to ask it is yeah certainly isn't it is something that um

[2:50:18] Trustee Patrick: uh that main island

[2:50:20] Trustee Patrick: has recently adopted so main main was allowing um uh rvs for

[2:50:28] Voice 8: permanent use but they've they've

[2:50:30] Voice 8: recently introduced the commission by tp so we do have that uh and that's moving forward um that's

[2:50:39] Voice 8: gone through through reading so that that's going to the minister and it includes so to support that

[2:50:44] Voice 8: It includes both an OCP amendment as well as an amendment to the land

[2:50:49] Voice 20: use by law.

[2:50:49] Voice 8: So it's certainly something that we can add to the draft for

[2:50:53] Voice 3: conversation.

[2:50:55] Voice 3: Okay, here's the crux.

[2:50:56] Voice 3: I'm happy to have that for conversation.

[2:50:59] Voice 3: Oh, for sure.

[2:50:59] Voice 3: I don't have to agree with it.

[2:51:01] Voice 3: But here's the crux.

[2:51:02] Voice 3: For non-conforming dwellings that have applied for a building permit,

[2:51:07] Voice 3: is that in the main OCP?

[2:51:10] Voice 3: That part of it?

[2:51:12] Voice 3: the non-conforming that's not not specifically for non-performing buildings but for they're

[2:51:17] Voice 3: specifically specific to rvs right which don't apply for building permits they just apply for

[2:51:23] Voice 3: citing and use um they don't

[2:51:27] Voice 8: they need to conform with bylaws but there isn't necessarily uh

[2:51:31] Voice 8: committing um and this is this is the issue right this is why maine has gone to um a tup approach

[2:51:38] Voice 8: so there is a there is okay okay okay so yeah i do thank you for bringing that up because

[2:51:46] Voice 8: we are struggling to to move from this deferral of enforcement as we've heard even today many times

[2:51:53] Voice 8: you know where are those people in rvs going to go if there are substantial policies that have

[2:51:59] Voice 8: additional housing units it's great but it's going to be a couple of years before rezonings

[2:52:03] Voice 8: have been da da da da so is there a potential for those temporary use permits to be used

[2:52:09] Voice 8: as that interim you know getting people out of the non-conforming houses into you know what is

[2:52:17] Voice 8: legally conforming with the new ocb so i think that should be a tool that we explore with rdm

[2:52:24] Voice 3: i'm certainly happy to consider it the reason i liked a little bit at the end where it said

[2:52:29] Voice 3: that have applied for a building permit is because then you know the numbers on the land

[2:52:36] Voice 3: without a building permit you don't know how many people how many dwellings you don't know

[2:52:41] Voice 3: right

[2:52:44] Voice 8: or is there other criteria that would let you

[2:52:47] Voice 8: garner that information if you're applying for tup then you know the numbers

[2:52:51] Voice 8: yeah yeah yeah i mean that also provides like an avenue for compliance

[2:53:02] Voice 8: it's wanting to be able to be permitted

[2:53:05] Voice 7: in the interest of the community okay good right any

[2:53:13] Voice 3: other questions on the follow-up action list um yep one really good one at the very top of page

[2:53:20] Voice 3: five we can that's 100 now because he just signed that covenant um so that's great that'll be gone

[2:53:27] Voice 3: And then I did have just a question, really, for Chair Patrick.

[2:53:32] Voice 3: We did a response to the trust policy statement at our last LTC meeting, and I was really happy about that.

[2:53:41] Voice 3: And then I wanted to change the wording slightly on part of that.

[2:53:46] Voice 3: So I just need advice.

[2:53:48] Voice 3: Do I bring a notice of motion to our next

[2:53:50] Voice 3: LTC meeting to ask if I could slightly change the wording on one of those?

[2:53:55] Voice 3: because i'm also going to do the same thing for the islands trust conservancy board which made a

[2:54:00] Voice 3: very similar kind of referral response in in the forestry part and after reading it over and over

[2:54:08] Voice 3: i realized that wasn't the wording i wanted i know exactly the wording i would like to see but

[2:54:13] Voice 3: you know where do i bring that up

[2:54:15] Trustee Patrick: i would look to staff for advice the referral has been submitted

[2:54:19] Trustee Patrick: but you as a trustee to the bigger board because we sit yeah two boards two different hats yeah

[2:54:25] Trustee Patrick: I think you can communicate directly any thoughts you have.

[2:54:31] Trustee Patrick: I don't think we really can change a referral.

[2:54:34] Trustee Patrick: Oh,

[2:54:35] Voice 3: no, I don't want to change a referral.

[2:54:36] Voice 3: I thought it was a pretty good referral.

[2:54:38] Voice 3: I just want to – I think I could make it a teeny bit better,

[2:54:41] Voice 3: but I will send it on comments.

[2:54:46] Voice 24: Through the chair, I think, yeah, we've acted on that resolution already

[2:54:49] Voice 24: to send that referral response.

[2:54:53] Voice 24: Yeah, I don't think there'll be a possibility of changing at this point to maybe be an additional

[2:54:58] Voice 24: response or something from the trustee, but that may be something we have to really return

[2:55:03] Voice 24: with you.

[2:55:05] Voice 24: I'll return and give you advice on that.

[2:55:08] Voice 3: It says zero percent, so maybe maybe

[2:55:10] Voice 24: there's a...

[2:55:13] Voice 24: So

[2:55:14] Voice 8: Renea says she's here to answer any questions on it.

[2:55:17] Voice 8: Okay.

[2:55:20] Voice 8: can everyone lisa can you hear us okay i'm just wondering about steams while i am

[2:55:24] Voice 8: i

[2:55:25] Voice 22: can thank you well

[2:55:28] Voice 3: bernie is there did you want to ask that question of the maybe i could

[2:55:31] Voice 8: rpm jammer right

[2:55:31] Voice 3: now going backwards from my list of questions on the follow-up action report

[2:55:37] Voice 3: for it rpm jammer at number five on page five um i'm sorry page five um it was our ltc referral to

[2:55:48] Voice 3: the policy statement which we did at our last ltc meeting and then i came up a few days later

[2:55:54] Voice 3: i wanted to change it slightly how how would you suggest i do that um

[2:56:04] Voice 21: through the chair i would

[2:56:06] Voice 21: suggest to speak with planner humans who was um who is leading the um policy statement project

[2:56:13] Voice 21: through trust area services um and he can he can guide the best way to either carry it through to

[2:56:20] Voice 21: trust council um or to capture your comment in that way okay

[2:56:24] Voice 3: i can do that and then i can i can

[2:56:26] Voice 3: copy my fellow trustees here as well and then you'll know what i'm on about sure

[2:56:30] Voice 8: okay so we

[2:56:33] Voice 8: We did have a question, if I can ask, R.P. and Gemma, on do we have any progress on the

[2:56:40] Voice 8: protocol meeting with the URDN for policy options and approach specific to Gabriel Island

[2:56:46] Voice 8: for unique housing needs?

[2:56:48] Voice 8: And we were just talking about the potential of using TUPs as an interim solution to address

[2:56:56] Voice 8: the non-compliant houses or RVs that people are living in and recognizing that there would need

[2:57:08] Voice 8: to be a policy in the OCP if TUPs were to be used. So is the use of TUPs part of that agenda

[2:57:20] Voice 8: discussion that we could have the RDN so

[2:57:24] Voice 21: through the chair there is an action

[2:57:28] Voice 21: item on to talk about what topics to add to the protocol to an upcoming protocol

[2:57:34] Voice 21: meeting and that's on page 23 of the agenda and so if there are other items

[2:57:42] Voice 21: so that's captured under policy options and approach on housing specific to

[2:57:48] Voice 21: gabriela island so that item has been captured if there are other items um that's something i'm

[2:57:55] Voice 21: happy to add as well through through your um through your direction um and in terms of the

[2:58:03] Voice 21: status of that that hasn't quite been queued up yet but that's something that um that will happen

[2:58:09] Voice 21: here

[2:58:09] Voice 7: okay i i believe

[2:58:12] Voice 21: there was through the chair part of me i'll pause i believe there was another

[2:58:16] Voice 21: another question further up in the fall action list on page 20 of the agenda under October 9th

[2:58:25] Voice 21: 2025 do you have any questions on that I think there was some discussion that

[2:58:32] Voice 8: was the same item

[2:58:33] Voice 8: I think we decided to turn that letter from the chair into the material for a protocol meeting

[2:58:45] Voice 8: through

[2:58:46] Voice 21: the chair thank you so we'll um we'll just um we'll count that as completed so then

[2:58:53] Voice 21: the note will disappear about confirming if the letters still needed doesn't sound like the letters

[2:58:57] Voice 21: needed thank you i

[2:58:59] Voice 8: do think we need uh to add to that agenda sorry um the well an update on our ocp

[2:59:05] Voice 8: project um so housing um so options for you know to address gabriela's unique housing needs that's

[2:59:16] Voice 8: one update on the ocp and land use bylaw and including the um the dai bylaw so just maybe

[2:59:24] Voice 8: a discussion about that and i think enforcement like a joint approach to enforcement on gabriela

[2:59:34] Voice 8: would be a good idea just to give them an idea of where we're going with the

[2:59:39] Voice 8: OCP process like where we're at when might you know our deferral of

[2:59:45] Voice 8: enforcement and they need to sort of be we need to be in congruence I think and

[2:59:52] Voice 8: maybe get some updates from their end on on any open files that might need to be

[2:59:57] Voice 8: be discovered. That would have to be.

[3:00:00] Voice 8: in-camera then?

[3:00:03] Voice 21: Through the chair, thank you. I've noted those for a protocol meeting.

[3:00:07] Voice 8: Okay. So one more question, item five on page 21, the OCP review project. Just for the

[3:00:21] Voice 8: clarification again, what was the work to apply for additional funding from AOA?

[3:00:27] Voice 8: think we directed this in November. Yeah,

[3:00:32] Voice 8: so that's where the real estate foundation,

[3:00:33] Voice 8: real estate foundation, and that. So it's a two phase application.

[3:00:39] Voice 7: Oh, the first phase.

[3:00:42] Voice 7: First you apply for a shorter application. And then even

[3:00:48] Voice 12: through the first phase, you

[3:00:50] Voice 12: if you apply with more robust applications in people.

[3:00:55] Voice 12: Okay.

[3:00:56] Voice 12: The funds would be allocated in September.

[3:01:01] Voice 19: Next.

[3:01:02] Voice 19: This September?

[3:01:03] Voice 19: Mm-hmm.

[3:01:03] Voice 19: Oh.

[3:01:04] Voice 8: Yeah.

[3:01:04] Voice 8: If it's successful.

[3:01:06] Voice 8: If it's successful, yeah.

[3:01:07] Voice 19: Okay.

[3:01:07] Voice 8: Yeah.

[3:01:07] Voice 8: So the AOA Archaeological Overviews,

[3:01:10] Voice 8: we can talk about that in our

[3:01:13] Voice 8: OCP project.

[3:01:15] Voice 8: Oh, yeah.

[3:01:16] Voice 8: I just wanted to, thanks.

[3:01:18] Voice 8: Thanks. Great grant funding. Yay.

[3:01:22] Voice 8: Got to

[3:01:23] Trustee Patrick: bring it first.

[3:01:25] Trustee Patrick: All right. Any other questions on the follow-up action list?

[3:01:32] Trustee Patrick: If not, then thanks. We will carry on to

[3:01:36] Trustee Patrick: item 10.1, which is the rezoning

[3:01:40] Trustee Patrick: 2024-0091

[3:01:43] Trustee Patrick: and we have a staff report on

[3:01:48] Trustee Patrick: page 24.

[3:01:52] Trustee Patrick: So, over to you, Leonard Cox, or?

[3:01:56] Trustee Patrick: Yep, so the LTC has

[3:01:58] Voice 25: given, I see they're sending a second reading of 3.2.1 and 3.2.2 for proposed

[3:02:05] Voice 25: bylaws.

[3:02:06] Voice 25: You've held your public hearing, just prior to the break here, and so the next steps are

[3:02:12] Voice 25: there on page 25, in the background section, so we've given some next steps here.

[3:02:22] Voice 25: so one is the first is consideration of third reading and or any amendments prior to that

[3:02:29] Voice 25: if the audience is distinguished based on things that you heard during the public hearing and so

[3:02:35] Voice 25: forth and then you have some recommendations in this report to forward the bylaws to the

[3:02:44] Voice 25: Minister and to

[3:02:45] Voice 14: the

[3:02:47] Voice 25: Secretary. I think that's probably all the

[3:02:55] Voice 25: information. Oh, I should, of course, we should just circle

[3:02:57] Voice 25: back to the comments that were received at the public hearing

[3:03:02] Voice 25: and just highlight that we received the one gentleman's

[3:03:05] Voice 25: concerned with drainage in particular on Lock and Bar

[3:03:07] Voice 25: Lane. So that was that was a submission prior and then you

[3:03:11] Voice 25: heard what you what you heard during

[3:03:14] Voice 12: the meeting hearing

[3:03:16] Voice 25: and they think that it's yeah there are

[3:03:20] Voice 25: some um alternatives at the end of the report there on 25 and 26 that would be to amend or

[3:03:28] Voice 25: change the bylaws prior to third reading you could defer this third reading to a different

[3:03:33] Voice 25: meeting if you so wish or proceeding further bottles are sort of standard alternatives at this

[3:03:42] Voice 25: stage that's it thank you

[3:03:45] Voice 3: uh christy yates yeah so i have questions um concerning this

[3:03:52] Voice 3: and concerning the the gentleman who did talk to the during the public hearing and i guess we also

[3:03:59] Voice 3: received correspondence from him which i actually haven't seen yet um so this does not his concern

[3:04:06] Voice 3: concern which I also find very concerning doesn't directly relate to what this application what

[3:04:13] Voice 3: this development is all about but it does relate directly to the property and the co-op the Mid

[3:04:22] Voice 3: Island co-op that operates the property and so um the gentleman's concerned about drainage and

[3:04:28] Voice 3: and flooding related to how the ditching works

[3:04:33] Voice 3: and how Ministry of Transportation and Transit

[3:04:37] Voice 3: did that original subdivision,

[3:04:39] Voice 3: which was a very long time ago.

[3:04:41] Voice 18: And

[3:04:41] Voice 3: I know it well because I live right around the corner

[3:04:44] Voice 3: and I do see that flooding.

[3:04:46] Voice 3: And I always wondered,

[3:04:47] Voice 3: oh, where does that water come from?

[3:04:49] Voice 3: But then when you walk around Lakenvar,

[3:04:51] Voice 3: you can see where that water comes from.

[3:04:53] Voice 3: So my question to staff is,

[3:04:55] Voice 3: Is there a way to ask the applicant, that is Mid-Island Co-op, to contact MOTT regarding the drainage problem, which is very real, to see if they may mitigate that in some way before we give final approval to these bylaws?

[3:05:21] Voice 3: Even though that particular issue is not related directly to what the applicant is asking for of us, this may be the only way to get that issue looked at.

[3:05:36] Voice 25: So through the chair, I think that the, so one of the things that's identified in this post public hearing report is that the statutory requirements have been met up to this point.

[3:05:45] Voice 25: So it is

[3:05:45] Voice 25: within the authority of the LCCO obviously to defer either third reading and or final adoption.

[3:05:53] Voice 25: when it comes back, of course. So from staff's understanding, you know, it's yes, it's generally

[3:06:02] Voice 25: the authority of MOTI and their responsibility to deal with drainage in these situations.

[3:06:08] Voice 25: At subdivision, usually is the time when they're required to construct roads and other things to a

[3:06:16] Voice 25: a certain standard and you know that's easier in areas where the global government has more

[3:06:23] Voice 16: authority

[3:06:24] Voice 25: over servicing and infrastructure engineering and that type of thing so it is

[3:06:28] Voice 25: challenging. I suppose and I could confer with other staff members you know or PM Jamara about

[3:06:35] Voice 25: whether holding off on final reading would be an appropriate way to deal with that you know having

[3:06:44] Voice 25: asked the applicant by resolution to do that and then you could wait for that information back but

[3:06:50] Voice 25: in terms of an actual trade so um you know that's i i think that would be one option but um

[3:06:58] Voice 25: but you know depending on um how that discussion went and what the what the applicant and property

[3:07:07] Voice 25: owner would agree to or come to with moti it's not you know there'd be no um no guarantee trigger

[3:07:13] Voice 25: or guarantee if you will like that so something like a tool that that normally the ltc would use

[3:07:20] Voice 25: to ensure an action was taken or not taken like a section 219 covenant or something like that

[3:07:26] Voice 25: um like in this case it's not very usual for an ltc to be party to a a servicing or drain it like

[3:07:34] Voice 25: in that way and typically in rural areas like like here it's been uh ministry of transport who's the

[3:07:42] Voice 25: the party to those covenants because they have the ability and and uh under their legislation

[3:07:46] Voice 25: to to be enforcing that right it's difficult for

[3:07:48] Voice 18: an

[3:07:50] Voice 25: ltcu to enforce that kind of thing and

[3:07:52] Voice 25: there's capacity issue of course

[3:07:54] Voice 3: and i hope that's not

[3:07:56] Voice 3: very covenant they would only ask

[3:07:58] Voice 3: for mott to look at that property it's been a very long time since that was subdivided and

[3:08:06] Voice 3: we've had climate change intervening and a lot of development in that neighborhood

[3:08:10] Voice 3: which changes drainage in that way as well um so and i don't want to i don't want to delay

[3:08:18] Voice 3: the reading of this because of course they've met statutory requirements and they've done

[3:08:22] Voice 3: all their due diligence especially with safety and and fire um and it's not it's not mid-island

[3:08:31] Voice 3: co-ops fault that the drainage from that property goes straight down the hill onto ross way um

[3:08:39] Voice 18: yeah so

[3:08:40] Voice 3: i'm trying to think of a very diplomatic way of proving this but at the same time asking

[3:08:47] Voice 3: mid-island co-op if they would work with mott to mitigate the drainage problem from that property

[3:08:57] Voice 3: directly below alone so

[3:09:01] Voice 25: through the chair is the applicant online i believe

[3:09:03] Voice 3: it is online

[3:09:05] Voice 3: line?

[3:09:06] Voice 2: Yep, I'm here.

[3:09:08] Voice 3: Oh, paper is fucking out. Thank you.

[3:09:12] Voice 2: This particular issue has been kind

[3:09:14] Voice 2: of ongoing for a bit and we went did some extensive work to mitigate the problem for the

[3:09:20] Voice 2: for our neighbor. I think he was referring to that he didn't want to, you know, whatever work

[3:09:26] Voice 2: is done that doesn't disrupt what we've done. Right. Because I do believe we've mitigated that

[3:09:31] Voice 2: On previous experience with MODY and other water issues, their position now, and we just went

[3:09:38] Voice 2: through this quite extensively with another site, their position is that it's the landowner's

[3:09:45] Voice 2: problem now for us to deal with it. It

[3:09:50] Voice 2: seems odd, but that's what we were left with.

[3:09:57] Voice 3: Okay, so that's Mid-Island Co-op's responsibility now, and I'm assuming that you want to be

[3:10:03] Voice 3: a good neighbor it's

[3:10:05] Voice 2: helpful yes yeah no we'll uh we'll make sure that it's that it's as dressed

[3:10:11] Voice 2: as best of our ability through the construction phase of this work yeah

[3:10:14] Voice 25: um thank you sure um

[3:10:19] Voice 25: clarence just um highlighted that because the property um would be with the adoption of the

[3:10:27] Voice 25: bylaws would be included in the development permit area for the village center that there

[3:10:30] Voice 25: is a guideline there requiring some stormwater management um i don't mean having i'm not really

[3:10:38] Voice 25: familiar with that um uh provision but but uh but there is there is an environment there and any so

[3:10:46] Voice 25: any development on site would require a development permit if as drafted the property was included in

[3:10:53] Voice 25: not dpa oh okay oh so actually

[3:10:56] Voice 25: yeah that

[3:10:58] Voice 3: would be helpful which is good i have yeah that sounds

[3:11:03] Voice 3: really optimistic and hopeful i'm just worried that the actual flooding and drainage issue

[3:11:09] Voice 3: is not really directly related to this thing that they're asking for but yeah maybe i

[3:11:18] Voice 8: thought he was

[3:11:19] Voice 8: asking that any development not make it worse yeah like any activities just yeah so maybe that

[3:11:24] Voice 8: That is through

[3:11:25] Voice 25: the chair that that it's correct that the so it's not directly well, it wouldn't be tied to the rezoning per se.

[3:11:34] Voice 25: However, if as drafted, the property was included in that

[3:11:37] Voice 25: DP area, there would be that requirement via the DPA guidelines to address stormwater management.

[3:11:44] Voice 25: Excellent.

[3:11:45] Voice 25: Specifically, as related to that development that was going on.

[3:11:50] Voice 25: So currently what's proposed is the placement of bulk propane storage, but if that included

[3:12:01] Voice 25: other things like buildings and so forth or sidewalks, that guideline would also come

[3:12:05] Voice 25: into play.

[3:12:06] Voice 25: Does that make sense?

[3:12:07] Voice 8: Yeah.

[3:12:08] Voice 8: It makes very good sense.

[3:12:09] Voice 8: Okay.

[3:12:10] Voice 8: And the applicant is well aware of the development permit area?

[3:12:15] Voice 2: Oh yeah.

[3:12:16] Voice 2: Yeah, no, we would know that it would be all the all the requirements that would come with it. Yep.

[3:12:20] Voice 8: Okay. So could we request that a short summary of that be like, you can give us so we can write back to the resident who's concerned and say, there is protection if there's more development happening, they'd have to come for development, permanent and address stormwater.

[3:12:43] Voice 8: Could you encapsulate that in a paragraph that we could send?

[3:12:46] Voice 8: I

[3:12:47] Voice 25: think staff, I think we could, the LCC could give direction by resolution to respond to public comment which has been received.

[3:12:56] Voice 12: Okay.

[3:12:56] Voice 25: Thank you.

[3:12:58] Voice 25: We

[3:12:59] Voice 24: have a way of contacting them.

[3:13:00] Voice 25: We do.

[3:13:01] Trustee Patrick: So I

[3:13:02] Voice 25: think that would be possible.

[3:13:03] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, staff, I think you just would ask staff to have that contact.

[3:13:06] Voice 14: Either way would be good.

[3:13:07] Voice 25: I don't know, we could ask, we could confirm with RPM Jamrat if they're still, if she's still on the line.

[3:13:14] Voice 20: Yeah.

[3:13:15] Voice 24: but i think ultimately what we would do is just inform them inform them that there's this

[3:13:21] Voice 24: development permit area that's proposed to the property would be proposed to be included in it

[3:13:25] Voice 24: and uh and it includes this guideline from water management and cite the exact wording of it

[3:13:33] Voice 7: that would be great yeah

[3:13:34] Voice 3: sure so i moved that the gabriel island local class committee

[3:13:39] Voice 3: committee request staff to contact, and I'm sorry, I have this name written down here

[3:13:48] Voice 3: on Rossway.

[3:13:54] Voice 8: Mr. Willenblokas.

[3:13:56] Voice 8: I think it's the correspondent of the Conscience of Stormwater.

[3:14:02] Voice 8: Yeah,

[3:14:02] Voice 3: to request staff to contact the correspondent, Ross Way, regarding the development permit area guidelines for stormwater runoff that will apply to this application.

[3:14:28] Voice 7: If resolved.

[3:14:30] Voice 3: out if it if it goes through like it

[3:14:32] Trustee Patrick: will

[3:14:34] Voice 3: apply to this application after fourth reading and

[3:14:37] Voice 3: final approval i'm

[3:14:39] Trustee Patrick: gonna give lisa a moment and then read that back

[3:14:42] Trustee Patrick: let's see what i consider changing the word contact to inform yeah

[3:14:47] Voice 8: yeah for sure

[3:14:49] Voice 5: meetings motions on the fly not good yeah lisa

[3:15:03] Voice 8: did you get that i'm

[3:15:05] Voice 22: just finishing it up one

[3:15:06] Voice 22: moment please i know she's typing amazing

[3:15:09] Voice 8: she's making sure she was

[3:15:11] Voice 22: also at our meeting last

[3:15:12] Voice 7: night until

[3:15:12] Voice 8: six o'clock yeah

[3:15:14] Voice 7: it's

[3:15:16] Voice 8: a little terrace over on it

[3:15:18] Voice 22: here through the chair i have that the

[3:15:24] Voice 22: gabriela island local trust committee request staff to inform hendrikus william blozekine of

[3:15:31] Voice 22: 780 ross way regarding development permit area guidelines for stormwater runoff that will apply

[3:15:37] Voice 22: apply to PLRZ 202 40091 Mid Island Cooperative Limited following fourth following adoption yeah

[3:15:50] Trustee Patrick: yeah before we second that I just want to look to staff personal information address is that

[3:15:55] Trustee Patrick: okay to have in a public good I just want to just no she had the address 780 possibly yeah I think

[3:16:03] Trustee Patrick: if you could just strip the address and leave the name i would please lisa confirmed thank you okay

[3:16:12] Trustee Patrick: um were you satisfied with that notion yes

[3:16:16] Voice 8: i just required that

[3:16:18] Voice 8: the information would go out only

[3:16:20] Voice 8: after for third reading adoption of these bylaws i was hoping that it would go out now so that he

[3:16:28] Voice 8: would so that he has

[3:16:29] Voice 8: the information and then but it would be you know if third reading if the bylaw

[3:16:34] Voice 8: is adopted i

[3:16:36] Trustee Patrick: i think that that's your direction you could say yes you could say yeah so just

[3:16:39] Trustee Patrick: change that to if if

[3:16:42] Voice 25: third required to finalize prior

[3:16:44] Trustee Patrick: to final adoption

[3:16:45] Voice 25: following through

[3:16:47] Voice 12: um following

[3:16:50] Voice 3: are we going to give this third meeting

[3:16:52] Voice 12: if

[3:16:53] Voice 3: you could read it back one more time lisa would appreciate it following third reading

[3:16:58] Voice 3: The

[3:16:59] Voice 22: Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee requests staff to inform Hendrikus William

[3:17:04] Voice 22: Blok-Yosen regarding development permit area guidelines for stormwater runoff that will

[3:17:10] Voice 22: apply to PLRZ20240091 Mid-Island Co-operators Limited following third reading.

[3:17:19] Voice 7: That sounds good.

[3:17:20] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[3:17:20] Trustee Patrick: So the motion's made by Trustee Yates and seconded by Trustee Elliott.

[3:17:27] Trustee Patrick: any discussion call about then all those in favor that carries so just one more

[3:17:42] Voice 8: question about I don't recall he ever discussed in ground propane storage I

[3:17:52] Voice 8: didn't see that in any of the reporting. I was there. So I

[3:18:01] Voice 8: know, Miss Hudson brought that forward as a potentially more

[3:18:03] Voice 8: safe form of storage. But was there ever contemplation of

[3:18:08] Voice 8: compound storage of the program?

[3:18:12] Voice 8: So

[3:18:12] Voice 25: through the chair that that so that's an entirely Canadian

[3:18:15] Voice 25: safety protocol transport Canada issue. And I don't the applicant

[3:18:20] Voice 25: to our knowledge never proposed that. But that could be a

[3:18:22] Voice 25: a question to the applicant but what we understand is that that's a you know a safety matter and

[3:18:31] Voice 25: other regulations apply provincial in general right

[3:18:34] Voice 8: i mean i'm satisfied with the e2 emergency

[3:18:38] Voice 8: plan is extremely robust there is currently propane stored there this is just one so through

[3:18:50] Voice 25: the chair to be clear the propane that's stored there is a is um like a consumer like you can

[3:18:55] Voice 25: obviously as folks know can drive up and receive propane from there this property is going to be

[3:19:00] Voice 25: bought storage no members of the public are not going to be getting propane from from those tanks

[3:19:06] Voice 25: it will be about uh transport uh trucks and yeah okay

[3:19:10] Voice 8: i'm just trying to say that it currently has

[3:19:13] Voice 8: as an above-ground propane storage tank that is on the property.

[3:19:19] Voice 8: And so I recognize the concerns of having more storage for more propane,

[3:19:28] Voice 8: but I think the applicant's done absolutely everything in their due diligence

[3:19:32] Voice 8: with their modeling for disasters and paper cloud explosions.

[3:19:39] Voice 8: All the worst-case scenarios have been imagined in minute detail.

[3:19:44] Voice 8: so I do appreciate all the work that's gone into this and I'm prepared to advance to third reading

[3:19:50] Voice 8: yes yeah so my favorite the vice chairs who would like

[3:19:55] Trustee Patrick: to we're not vice chairs

[3:19:56] Voice 7: vice chairs okay

[3:19:58] Trustee Patrick: trustees who

[3:20:03] Voice 8: would like to proceed uh this is the long one okay

[3:20:06] Voice 8: I can start

[3:20:11] Voice 3: and you can do the second one.

[3:20:12] Voice 3: I move that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 321,

[3:20:17] Voice 3: cited as Gabriola Official Community Plan, Gabriola Bylaw No. 166-1997,

[3:20:25] Voice 3: Amendment No. 1-2025, be read a third time.

[3:20:29] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second? Seconded by Trustee Elliott. Any discussion?

[3:20:33] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor? That carries.

[3:20:37] Voice 8: I move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee, bylaw number 322, cited as Gabriela Island Land Use Bylaw 1999, amendment number 1, 2025, be read a third time.

[3:20:47] Voice 8: Second.

[3:20:47] Voice 8: Seconded by Trustee

[3:20:49] Trustee Patrick: Yates. Any discussion?

[3:20:51] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor? That carries.

[3:20:53] Trustee Patrick: I

[3:20:54] Voice 3: move that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee propose bylaw number 321, cited as Gabriola Official Community Plan, Gabriola, bylaw number 166-1997, amendment number 1-2025, be forwarded to the Minister of Housing and Municipal Affairs for approval.

[3:21:12] Trustee Patrick: Second. Second by Trustee Elliott. Any discussion? All

[3:21:15] Voice 8: those in favor? That carries.

[3:21:18] Voice 8: I move that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee propose bylaw number 1-

[3:21:23] Voice 8: no number three two one that is gabriel official community plan gabriella bylaw number 166 1997

[3:21:30] Voice 8: amendment number 1 2025 and proposed bylaw number 322 said it has gabriel island land use bylaw

[3:21:37] Voice 8: 1999 amendment number 1 2025 before it into the secretary of the island's trust for executive

[3:21:43] Voice 8: committee approval second second by trustee yates any discussion

[3:21:47] Trustee Patrick: all about all those in favor that

[3:21:49] Trustee Patrick: That varies.

[3:21:51] Trustee Patrick: Thank you, Mr. Buckingham.

[3:21:53] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[3:21:53] Trustee Patrick: And staff, I guess there's no further business

[3:21:55] Trustee Patrick: on that item.

[3:21:57] Voice 20: Thank you.

[3:21:58] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[3:22:00] Trustee Patrick: Okay, I'm gonna keep moving here.

[3:22:01] Trustee Patrick: We're on to item 11.1,

[3:22:04] Trustee Patrick: which is the major project

[3:22:05] Trustee Patrick: for Gabriel Island Comprehensive Official Community Plan

[3:22:08] Trustee Patrick: and Land Use By-law Review, Project Charter Update,

[3:22:12] Trustee Patrick: staff report on page 34 of the agenda package.

[3:22:15] Trustee Patrick: I'll hand it over to you, Connor Chadwick.

[3:22:18] Voice 8: Oh, yeah, thank you, Chair. Yeah, so basically, as requested by the LTC at the last meeting,

[3:22:31] Voice 8: staff have updated the project charter with the considerations of including the development of

[3:22:38] Voice 8: rural information by-law and land use by-law updates, as well as was discussed at the last

[3:22:43] Voice 8: meeting um the these are important um because the ocp uh will be identifying a lot of criteria that

[3:22:54] Voice 8: needs to be considered when considering any type of changes to land use through rezoning and uh

[3:23:01] Voice 8: development variants and any other um uh permits that might be applied for um and the development

[3:23:10] Voice 8: approval information by law sets out how do you go about finding the information you can provide

[3:23:18] Voice 8: to the LTC to support those types of applications. And the update to the land use by law,

[3:23:27] Voice 8: the LCP is looking at some new land use designations and there are considerations

[3:23:39] Voice 8: durations around secondary suites where there aren't existing ones. So those are the kinds

[3:23:43] Voice 8: of changes that would require changes to the land use bylaw. One of the things that staff

[3:23:52] Voice 8: have observed looking on other OCPs and land use bylaws is when these changes aren't made

[3:24:01] Voice 8: at the time that the OCP is reviewed, for example, the land use bylaw is reviewed, there

[3:24:06] Voice 8: there is, and there exists right now, inconsistencies that make it very difficult for decision-making.

[3:24:13] Voice 8: So trying to remove any of that for Gabriel. So that's why it's important to move those

[3:24:22] Voice 8: together.

[3:24:23] Voice 8: Just an interjection. On that point, I had literally heard from many constituents, some

[3:24:31] Voice 8: some in the room no I think he's left actually um that they actually weren't happy with just

[3:24:38] Voice 8: the thought of seeing policies that they wanted to see like how would this be implemented

[3:24:42] Voice 8: and so um I did you know I gave that feedback back to you but then you guys you had already

[3:24:49] Voice 8: come forward and said we should do the land use bylaw at the same time so I think we are hearing

[3:24:54] Voice 8: from the community that there's I think there still needs to be we need to tease out what is

[3:24:59] Voice 8: policy and what is a regular regulation um but i'm hopeful that when they see them together like

[3:25:05] Voice 8: this is how the regulation implements the policy that that will add clarity and i think constituents

[3:25:11] Voice 8: need that really it's so that it's not abstract you know we're really struggling with a lot of

[3:25:17] Voice 8: abstract ideas and they need to see them black and white what will this mean for my property

[3:25:22] Voice 7: yeah

[3:25:23] Voice 8: that's what the

[3:25:24] Voice 7: intention is there that'll very very clearly identify that um and i think

[3:25:29] Voice 7: the the other thing to point out is that at the point um

[3:25:31] Voice 8: there this is just this uh update to the

[3:25:35] Voice 8: land spell is really about consistency um so any other changes that you might the ocp is going to

[3:25:42] Voice 8: um or the the draft that we're currently working on is going to allow for rezonings for other

[3:25:49] Voice 8: things uh and and land use changes can be also made by the ltc but um this this uh update is

[3:25:58] Voice 8: not contemplating anything that would return a large amount of discussion beyond the OCP

[3:26:07] Voice 8: policies and how they are directly related to the regulation at this time.

[3:26:17] Voice 8: I'll also point out that we have a section in the OCP that is also pulling out the advocacy

[3:26:24] Voice 8: to see policies as well, and very clearly identifying what is within the LTC's jurisdiction

[3:26:33] Voice 8: and what is not, and identifying some of the things that are outside the LTC's jurisdiction,

[3:26:44] Voice 8: but also

[3:26:44] Voice 12: actionable by the LTC.

[3:26:48] Voice 3: I had one quick question.

[3:26:50] Voice 3: A number of people have said, well, how can you complete your OCP project until the policy

[3:26:56] Voice 3: policy statement is complete you know fourth reading ministered the whole bed and I have no

[3:27:02] Voice 3: problem with completing either of them not in tandem because whatever policy statement is in

[3:27:10] Voice 3: place when this goes through will the checklist will be checked um and the old policy statement

[3:27:17] Voice 3: is not that bad other than nothing on climate change and nothing on reconciliation um so what

[3:27:24] Voice 3: would happen if i don't think this is going to happen but say this was finished before the

[3:27:29] Voice 3: completion of the policy statement review would it actually be checked against the

[3:27:35] Voice 3: current policy statement so um we

[3:27:40] Voice 8: in terms of um the sort of higher what's happening like higher

[3:27:45] Voice 8: level uh islands trust policies and commitment um um the the ocp acknowledges that that it is

[3:27:54] Voice 8: consistent with some of the other stress commitments which includes reconciliation

[3:27:59] Voice 8: and includes climate change and um there i mean it's an awkward scenario here right yeah this

[3:28:09] Voice 8: policy statement has been a seven-year process so far and we don't

[3:28:13] Voice 8: know when it will wrap up

[3:28:14] Voice 8: so does that mean that every no ocp can move forward until that is completed because if that

[3:28:20] Voice 8: was the case we would have a long time on daily OCPs so I would I would say to the extent possible

[3:28:27] Voice 8: the the OCP considers the honest trust commitments it considers the existing policy statement

[3:28:34] Voice 8: it's also conscious of the new but it's not I mean

[3:28:39] Voice 8: so

[3:28:40] Voice 7: I guess that's yeah that's how we use numbers

[3:28:43] Voice 7: I

[3:28:44] Voice 8: mean I'm trying to think of a single policy in the 1993 policy statement that

[3:28:53] Voice 8: that this community has said something that would contravene our 93 yeah policy statement and i just

[3:29:01] Voice 8: like there's nothing revolutionary in one of the communities that say it's like protect the forest

[3:29:07] Voice 8: protect the environment don't put houses where there isn't water um i

[3:29:11] Voice 3: don't actually have any

[3:29:13] Voice 3: worries i don't have any worries personally it's just been brought out yeah absolutely yeah so i

[3:29:21] Voice 8: have different questions based on what we are you finished with your presentation uh yeah i mean i

[3:29:27] Voice 8: guess well i guess um i just wanted to point out that the the timelines don't shift too dramatically

[3:29:35] Voice 8: they're just by a couple months here and there as you'll see by like on the revised project

[3:29:39] Voice 8: writer i've indicated what the previous um project writer included that's the innocence of things

[3:29:44] Voice 8: The other thing I want to point out is that when we say public engagement, that really

[3:29:51] Voice 8: means that there's the ability to comment at any time.

[3:29:54] Voice 8: and when the

[3:29:57] Voice 8: when the

[3:30:00] Voice 8: that the draft is is is presented that that we do have

[3:30:08] Voice 8: the public is invited to provide comments to the LTC throughout

[3:30:13] Voice 8: the process. At this point in time, so surveys are brought up

[3:30:17] Voice 8: there's no there's no intention to do any additional surveying

[3:30:20] Voice 8: unless

[3:30:20] Voice 8: us. So how, how can the public, you know, beyond coming to a

[3:30:31] Voice 8: meeting and talking to the LTC, how can they make their views

[3:30:37] Voice 8: known on the draft OCP when it comes out? What will be the

[3:30:42] Voice 8: method of engagement?

[3:30:43] Voice 8: They can send engage with the LTC directly and they can send

[3:30:48] Voice 8: and emails through, we've got our Gabriela2050 email

[3:30:53] Voice 8: and we can make that very, very clear,

[3:30:55] Voice 8: all of the different ways that community can be received.

[3:30:59] Voice 8: So we don't have a community information meeting.

[3:31:03] Voice 8: So we have identified community information meeting

[3:31:07] Voice 8: later on in the process before public hearing.

[3:31:12] Voice 8: There's nothing other than that at

[3:31:14] Voice 12: this point in time.

[3:31:24] Voice 8: So, I think we'll need a community information meeting after first reading.

[3:31:34] Voice 8: Like, I would like to get to first reading as soon as possible so that we can get the draft out for referral. That's really important.

[3:31:42] Voice 8: Oh, here we have, well, 2026, community information,

[3:31:46] Voice 3: for second and third grade.

[3:31:50] Voice 3: But

[3:31:50] Trustee Patrick: that's just to meet the needs for public hearing.

[3:31:56] Voice 3: But it says community information meeting.

[3:31:58] Voice 3: Yeah.

[3:31:59] Voice 3: To gather further input from the public.

[3:32:02] Voice 3: But you're right,

[3:32:03] Voice 3: as required by, oh

[3:32:05] Trustee Patrick: no, then a public hearing.

[3:32:07] Trustee Patrick: Could it be pulled earlier?

[3:32:08] Trustee Patrick: You have more than one.

[3:32:09] Trustee Patrick: More than one, yeah.

[3:32:10] Trustee Patrick: I think you're going to need more than one.

[3:32:13] Trustee Patrick: gonna the budget well

[3:32:16] Voice 8: and i'm wondering okay so so just let me walk this through

[3:32:21] Voice 8: very carefully for members the public not looking at an agenda so we're looking at you know the

[3:32:27] Voice 8: water balance assessment is today that report to the ltc we're going to have a mid-march

[3:32:32] Voice 8: special community information meeting just on the water balance assessment that is the science that

[3:32:38] Voice 8: will that is underpinning any changes in density any consideration of secondary suites so any policy

[3:32:46] Voice 8: development that adds density has to be has to refer to the water balance assessment then we have

[3:32:56] Voice 8: so the ltc review of draft policy language will be april 2026. do we have an ltc meeting in march

[3:33:17] Voice 24: So we

[3:33:18] Voice 8: have a mid-March for community information just on freshwater and a meeting in April

[3:33:25] Voice 8: to review the draft policy language.

[3:33:28] Voice 8: So what is the what is the point of an advanced review prior to first reading?

[3:33:33] Voice 8: Like what does that give the public a chance to do?

[3:33:36] Voice 8: um could that be like a community information meeting where he's working well you can't just

[3:33:41] Voice 8: see the document for the first time and then have an information meeting i

[3:33:44] Voice 8: know i mean it'd be five

[3:33:46] Voice 8: days early could we schedule one in may community information meeting in may sort of mid following

[3:33:58] Voice 8: first reading you know after

[3:34:00] Voice 8: the review of the draft language so oh right so we've got before

[3:34:04] Voice 8: before June. Yeah, you could you could schedule a community

[3:34:07] Voice 8: information meeting. Yeah, following the following the

[3:34:11] Voice 8: area.

[3:34:12] Voice 7: I

[3:34:13] Voice 8: think that would be good because there's a lot to digest

[3:34:17] Voice 8: people will have questions and I just don't think with there's no

[3:34:21] Voice 8: survey there's no tools to assess. Yeah. I mean, community

[3:34:26] Voice 8: information gets all the questions out of the way we can

[3:34:28] Voice 8: ask why this why that and the LTC can ask for more information

[3:34:32] Voice 8: prior to first reading so do you think with your work timeline you could fit that in i i think that

[3:34:42] Trustee Patrick: it's a reasonable task yeah so we need a resolution to amend this project charter

[3:34:48] Trustee Patrick: with an additional community information meeting scheduling yeah

[3:34:54] Voice 7: so i think i think it would be

[3:34:55] Voice 7: following um following following um the introduction we can work on the date

[3:35:05] Voice 7: lisa go

[3:35:06] Voice 8: ahead lisa just

[3:35:10] Voice 22: for the ltc's information there is a regularly scheduled um meeting

[3:35:15] Voice 22: um may 21st and um april 23rd so you it sounds like you'd be considering something

[3:35:26] Voice 22: somewhere in between there i

[3:35:28] Trustee Patrick: think so i think having its own meeting just

[3:35:32] Trustee Patrick: will make it much easier and

[3:35:36] Voice 8: can we schedule it at 4 p.m ish um early late afternoon early evening

[3:35:44] Voice 8: thought correspondence in today's agenda saying people find it difficult to to come to the

[3:35:52] Voice 8: meetings and the data so i know we usually schedule our community information meetings

[3:35:58] Voice 8: for orish right like the rezoning and everything all that well that's your instruction so good

[3:36:07] Voice 8: we will instruct let me figure it out so maybe we'll formulate a motion to amend this first um

[3:36:19] Voice 8: so we could to be scheduled so we could just say to be scheduled between

[3:36:23] Voice 8: the review and first reading, because it's scheduled in the late afternoon or in between.

[3:36:39] Voice 8: Lisa, I'll just send you the wording here.

[3:36:44] Voice 8: here. So I

[3:36:48] Trustee Patrick: think you're gonna have to be in person in person.

[3:37:07] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[3:37:11] Voice 7: Just a moment here, folks. We're just working on a

[3:37:14] Voice 7: resolution.

[3:37:22] Voice 18: So

[3:37:34] Voice 8: something like the Gabriel local trust committee requests that to

[3:37:39] Voice 8: schedule a community information meeting. Following introduction of the

[3:37:52] Voice 8: The draft OCP prior to first reading in the late afternoon or evening in

[3:38:09] Voice 18: the network.

[3:38:15] Voice 8: Yeah, community information meeting about the meeting.

[3:38:19] Voice 8: We need to amend the project charter to add.

[3:38:24] Voice 8: Okay.

[3:38:25] Voice 8: Okay, next

[3:38:26] Voice 8: step to

[3:38:27] Voice 18: amend the version

[3:38:36] Voice 7: 6

[3:38:38] Voice 8: schedule

[3:38:44] Voice 7: and community information meeting

[3:38:47] Voice 18: and the OCP draft.

[3:38:54] Voice 24: It sounds like you were trying to say to include a community information meeting prior to first reading.

[3:39:00] Voice 24: Yeah.

[3:39:00] Voice 24: And a community information meeting in the evening prior to first reading.

[3:39:04] Voice 8: Thank you.

[3:39:08] Voice 8: prior to first reading yes prior to first reading somewhere between

[3:39:16] Voice 8: what was the last one

[3:39:18] Voice 8: uh

[3:39:20] Voice 24: community information meeting right first reading first reading in the and i think you

[3:39:27] Voice 24: had a time of day in

[3:39:29] Voice 8: the late afternoon or evening i'm in person lisa i

[3:39:42] Voice 22: have that trustee

[3:39:43] Voice 22: it of course

[3:39:43] Voice 8: we'll do that's what recorders are for thank you if you read it when you're ready

[3:39:51] Voice 8: you can

[3:39:52] Trustee Patrick: just read it back lisa that

[3:39:54] Voice 22: the gabriola island local trust committee requests staff amend

[3:39:57] Voice 22: the project charter to include a community information meeting to be held prior to first

[3:40:02] Voice 22: reading in sorry to include a community information meeting prior to first reading to be held in

[3:40:10] Voice 22: person in the late afternoon or evening yes

[3:40:15] Voice 7: sounds right are you making that motion yes

[3:40:20] Trustee Patrick: trustee elliot's making that motion i'll second that all right um

[3:40:29] Trustee Patrick: trustee aids is seconding it i apologize here it was yesterday running on empty need another cup

[3:40:35] Trustee Patrick: of coffee here uh any discussion call the vote all those in favor that carries all right

[3:40:43] Voice 8: more questions go

[3:40:45] Trustee Patrick: ahead okay

[3:40:46] Voice 8: so i would like to ask what kind of companion

[3:40:54] Voice 8: explainers might be needed we had a number of questions in town hall today um

[3:41:00] Voice 8: Some speakers asked about what is included or meant by a cultural heritage zone.

[3:41:08] Voice 8: So I don't know if that is scoped in for the OCP policies, okay.

[3:41:14] Voice 8: So explanations of the implementation section I think would be helpful.

[3:41:23] Voice 8: Consideration of cultural heritage, like how is cultural heritage treated in the OCP.

[3:41:28] Voice 8: Rezoning versus subdivision.

[3:41:30] Voice 8: What does transforming subdivision into a rezoning process look like?

[3:41:37] Voice 8: Merits, benefits, why was this considered?

[3:41:40] Voice 8: What's a DAI by-law, Development Approval Information by-law?

[3:41:45] Voice 8: Of course, new land use designations will be articulated,

[3:41:49] Voice 8: but I think any changes to density should be grounded in

[3:41:58] Voice 8: where did this come from in the community?

[3:42:01] Voice 8: so timing what we heard you know was it you know this focus group and these survey questions and

[3:42:09] Voice 8: this is why x type of density is added moved reconsidered that kind of thing so i think

[3:42:17] Voice 8: those are the topics that i've heard people really want to maybe have some explainers on

[3:42:26] Voice 8: on? Would that be possible?

[3:42:28] Voice 8: I have to be sure. So the intention is to provide

[3:42:33] Voice 8: basically a companion report that identifies the changes,

[3:42:39] Voice 8: that the changes that have been made to things that are

[3:42:43] Voice 8: different, what's different from what currently has changed and

[3:42:46] Voice 8: why. So they actually explanations exactly how you've

[3:42:50] Voice 8: indicated, you know, any any increases in additional, like,

[3:42:55] Voice 8: suites-wide, wherever it comes from, from the community, that'll all be in that sort of companion

[3:43:02] Voice 8: explanation guide. And, you know, we've also changed the format and so all of that will be

[3:43:11] Voice 8: identified. That's great. So we also had questions about delivery. How are folks going to access this?

[3:43:19] Voice 8: um we have done mail outs before it resulted in the lowest survey result of any of our three

[3:43:30] Voice 8: surveys so just for everybody's information i do recognize you know we recognize that people are

[3:43:37] Voice 8: some people really need paper and so i think we need options for people to

[3:43:44] Voice 8: be able to print that off but is it in the budget to do a mail out would that be successful

[3:43:52] Voice 8: and you know what pros and cons

[3:43:54] Voice 3: is it in the budget even to provide as you have done over

[3:43:59] Voice 3: the past year and a half um the the printed versions of all of this at the library because

[3:44:05] Voice 3: the libraries where we tend to have our informal public meetings our discussion groups if we can

[3:44:13] Voice 3: The library is where people go to look for things like this, like this is brilliant, you know, the DAI by law, the LEB explains so nicely here how it fits in.

[3:44:23] Voice 3: Even just to handle it like this.

[3:44:25] Voice 3: If we can even just say to people, like people like my age, want to see it and write all over it. It's at the library, everybody can get to the library.

[3:44:36] Voice 3: And the library is so good about hosting these materials.

[3:44:40] Voice 3: it's

[3:44:40] Voice 8: not the material itself it's notification to read it to engage

[3:44:45] Voice 8: like that's the problem is

[3:44:47] Voice 8: we're at this place in the process where everyone's like we didn't know this was happening

[3:44:50] Voice 8: and it's fine but how do we do our best to make sure that people are going to get the information

[3:44:59] Voice 8: here's that important document we've been talking about for three years

[3:45:03] Voice 8: we've got our

[3:45:04] Voice 8: communication specialist here and the weekly newspaper

[3:45:07] Voice 3: is helpful

[3:45:08] Voice 3: but you know i had a discussion at the break about oh well we're too busy between june and

[3:45:15] Voice 3: september we can't do anything well that's when we had our very first meeting with the most

[3:45:19] Voice 3: attendees ever at the market and

[3:45:21] Voice 8: that's where all the

[3:45:22] Voice 3: seasonal residents are here on gabriel

[3:45:24] Voice 8: people

[3:45:25] Voice 3: do listen during the summer and they do respond during the summer maybe some people are

[3:45:30] Voice 3: not paying attention between June and September but I think lots of people are.

[3:45:33] Voice 8: Yeah so through the chair we can certainly come back with a communications plan for you to explore

[3:45:42] Voice 8: some of the things that you're talking about here including you know having maybe a binder at the

[3:45:46] Voice 8: library for example. A table

[3:45:49] Voice 3: at the market. A table at the market

[3:45:51] Voice 8: yeah so you could you could request

[3:45:55] Voice 8: staff come back with a communications plan, an outreach plan, and then we can have some

[3:46:00] Voice 8: really good discussion on the details at the next meeting. I will point out that

[3:46:07] Voice 8: we have tried a number of things throughout this process and had varying degrees of engagement,

[3:46:14] Voice 8: and in fact the mail-out to every household was the least effective

[3:46:18] Voice 7: of

[3:46:19] Voice 8: all of the other

[3:46:21] Voice 8: that we've taken um we did actually do that it's uh in partnership with the regional district for

[3:46:29] Voice 8: the water uh survey and that went to every single household that we had the

[3:46:34] Voice 8: the least amount of engagement um as opposed to some of the other um the other um

[3:46:41] Voice 8: ways that we've used to engage i think diversity is the key for engagement with our community

[3:46:50] Voice 8: it is not any one method that's going to reach everybody um i think what we started with was

[3:46:56] Voice 8: we worked with the groups that already exist the the community groups we gave grants get together

[3:47:03] Voice 8: talk about your vision we could definitely tap into them again we have all those groups in our

[3:47:09] Voice 8: list we've got the focus groups um and then we need to think about you know the people who are

[3:47:16] Voice 8: not engaged in community groups and i think that may take some thought but it's going to be the

[3:47:22] Voice 8: sounder the website the library hosting meetings um and i think yeah there needs to be a broad

[3:47:30] Voice 8: arrangement array not just any one single method is my thought but i'm

[3:47:36] Trustee Patrick: hearing from staff we need

[3:47:37] Trustee Patrick: a resolution to request them to develop what communication

[3:47:40] Voice 8: return with an engagement plan

[3:47:42] Voice 8: plan to support community

[3:47:44] Trustee Patrick: to release the release of the draft of the OCD.

[3:47:50] Trustee Patrick: Okay, because you're generating interest in that.

[3:47:53] Trustee Patrick: When is the next?

[3:47:55] Voice 8: Your next

[3:47:56] Trustee Patrick: meeting is not until April,

[3:47:57] Voice 8: which is no more.

[3:48:01] Voice 8: That'll be too late.

[3:48:08] Voice 12: That's the special only meeting to review

[3:48:11] Voice 12: review communications and engagement plan like just us yeah can we

[3:48:18] Voice 8: tag it on to the mid-march

[3:48:20] Voice 8: that mid-march community information meeting we could have just a little

[3:48:26] Voice 8: ltc meeting electronically or something we can make a decision

[3:48:35] Voice 24: if you're doing it at your march community information meeting typically we set those

[3:48:39] Voice 24: for special LTC meetings so you would you would be able to yeah

[3:48:43] Voice 8: add anything no you could it's

[3:48:45] Voice 24: just yeah you could make it to that yeah that's what they yeah it could be included

[3:48:50] Voice 24: that won't

[3:48:53] Trustee Patrick: take long to thank you all right um Lisa did you catch what we were trying to say

[3:49:01] Trustee Patrick: there and request opportunity communications

[3:49:03] Voice 8: before the meeting in march sorry

[3:49:08] Voice 24: yeah you don't

[3:49:10] Voice 24: have a fresh meeting you're

[3:49:11] Voice 8: not going to march it's it well it's stated in the fresh water report

[3:49:14] Voice 8: But the only

[3:49:15] Voice 7: way to get

[3:49:15] Voice 8: you to the end, Joel.

[3:49:17] Voice 8: Or is it?

[3:49:17] Voice 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[3:49:19] Voice 8: Yes, I got that.

[3:49:20] Voice 8: But

[3:49:20] Voice 24: that really does.

[3:49:21] Voice 24: Yeah, it's very specific to the conversation.

[3:49:24] Voice 24: That's the meeting.

[3:49:25] Voice 24: OK, yeah.

[3:49:26] Voice 24: So yeah.

[3:49:28] Voice 24: All right.

[3:49:33] Voice 7: So I mean, at this point, I mean, you

[3:49:35] Voice 7: could request to schedule a March community information

[3:49:40] Voice 7: meeting to discuss the threshold of footprint

[3:49:43] Voice 7: bridge. And the

[3:49:45] Voice 7: OCP engagement.

[3:49:50] Voice 18: Yeah. And

[3:49:55] Voice 8: the engagement meets OCP. So that to request staff

[3:50:02] Voice 8: schedule a March community information meeting to discuss fresh water footprint or to

[3:50:10] Voice 3: discuss the

[3:50:13] Voice 3: the project here. Yeah. And to have a presentation from the

[3:50:17] Voice 3: consultant. Yeah.

[3:50:19] Voice 8: For the for the consultant to present the

[3:50:22] Voice 8: freshwater footprint project. Yeah, whatever the resolution is

[3:50:25] Voice 8: related to, we should model it out.

[3:50:27] Voice 3: There's no resolution. It's

[3:50:30] Voice 3: just next steps for

[3:50:32] Voice 8: the freshwater

[3:50:33] Voice 3: state for the

[3:50:34] Voice 3: fresh water

[3:50:34] Voice 8: presentation area and discussion of uh engagement gushin on community engagement

[3:50:46] Voice 8: in the class of p it's it's a good way to make patients but the engagement

[3:50:54] Voice 7: patients yeah

[3:50:58] Voice 8: perfect yes

[3:51:00] Voice 7: specify

[3:51:01] Voice 24: if if you're that meeting is going to be held electronically that you

[3:51:05] Voice 24: want to specify in person

[3:51:07] Voice 3: person. I

[3:51:14] Trustee Patrick: see William Shulbaugh, forget your title. Senior Freshwater Specialist. I can't

[3:51:24] Trustee Patrick: do titles today. You're all trustees. Go ahead.

[3:51:30] Voice 1: Hi there, through the chair. It wasn't the

[3:51:35] Voice 1: the intention of staff to have that meeting uh to be in person

[3:51:40] Voice 8: oh it doesn't have to be in person

[3:51:44] Voice 8: did i add in person i apologize i

[3:51:49] Voice 1: think uh trustee yates was um i

[3:51:52] Voice 3: thought it should be

[3:51:52] Voice 3: okay the only reason i said that is because planning staff will be bringing forward

[3:51:59] Voice 3: recommendations on how to explicitly embed the freshwater footprint hazard mapping into the ocp

[3:52:05] Voice 3: policies potentially establishing new standards for development application review i just sort

[3:52:11] Voice 3: of thought that would be in person but it doesn't have to be yeah

[3:52:14] Voice 1: that um through the chair it's

[3:52:16] Voice 1: it's not equitable to have it in person just due to the nature of the project uh and also the cost

[3:52:23] Voice 1: of bringing the consultants to the island and if it is like a hybrid meeting it's always hard yeah

[3:52:30] Voice 20: So

[3:52:30] Voice 1: in this case, it will be the intention of the next steps is to have that presentation of the project and it'll be recorded so we can have that as a deliverable or a reference going forward.

[3:52:45] Voice 1: So we have a recorded meeting regarding the project.

[3:52:49] Voice 3: Okay, thank

[3:52:50] Trustee Patrick: you very much, Mr. Shelbaugh.

[3:52:53] Trustee Patrick: Lisa when you're ready you can read back that motion or you can make that motion if you're

[3:52:59] Trustee Patrick: making what you have written there go

[3:53:04] Voice 8: ahead sure i move uh that the gabriel island local trust

[3:53:07] Voice 8: committee requests staff schedule a community information meeting in march for the freshwater

[3:53:12] Voice 8: footprint project presentation comma with a discussion on community engagement and communications

[3:53:20] Voice 8: communications on the OCP before

[3:53:23] Trustee Patrick: you second that I see uh William's hand is up again go ahead uh

[3:53:28] Voice 1: this is a new thing for me um about community information meetings I under my understanding

[3:53:33] Voice 1: would be a special business meeting of the local trust committee not a community information meeting

[3:53:37] Voice 1: okay

[3:53:37] Trustee Patrick: Lisa I see your hand up you're right I don't know why I thought community is I'm

[3:53:45] Voice 22: going to read

[3:53:46] Voice 22: that back incorporating all of the comments okay

[3:53:50] Trustee Patrick: that

[3:53:50] Voice 22: the gabriela island local trust committee

[3:53:53] Voice 22: request staff schedule a special meeting in march for the freshwater footprint presentation

[3:53:59] Voice 22: and discussion on community engagement and communications on the official community plan

[3:54:05] Voice 22: to be held electronically we're happy for that option okay

[3:54:11] Voice 3: i'm happy to second that except it

[3:54:14] Voice 3: It sounds like Shobha, it's not going to work.

[3:54:19] Voice 3: Did it combine those two?

[3:54:20] Voice 3: No, that

[3:54:21] Voice 3: was special meeting.

[3:54:22] Voice 3: Okay.

[3:54:22] Voice 3: I can't speak at the same time.

[3:54:24] Voice 3: Very good.

[3:54:25] Trustee Patrick: All right, William,

[3:54:26] Trustee Patrick: did you catch something?

[3:54:28] Trustee Patrick: Go ahead.

[3:54:29] Trustee Patrick: Oh, no?

[3:54:30] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[3:54:30] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[3:54:31] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[3:54:32] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Elliott.

[3:54:33] Trustee Patrick: Sorry, William, your hand keeps going up and down.

[3:54:36] Trustee Patrick: Last chance.

[3:54:37] Voice 1: Yes.

[3:54:38] Voice 1: Sorry, Chair.

[3:54:39] Voice 1: I think just a friendly moment.

[3:54:41] Voice 1: It's a special business meeting of the LTC.

[3:54:44] Trustee Patrick: There's no

[3:54:44] Voice 8: amendment yet. It has not been seconded.

[3:54:47] Voice 8: Okay.

[3:54:49] Voice 8: Special business meeting of the LTC.

[3:54:52] Voice 7: Sure.

[3:54:53] Voice 8: Okay.

[3:54:54] Trustee Patrick: You got that Lisa?

[3:54:55] Voice 8: Request

[3:54:56] Trustee Patrick: staff schedule, special business meeting of the LTC.

[3:54:58] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[3:54:59] Trustee Patrick: So that motion is being made by trustee Elliott, seconded by trustee Yates.

[3:55:02] Trustee Patrick: Any discussions?

[3:55:05] Trustee Patrick: Call the vote. All those in favor?

[3:55:07] Trustee Patrick: That carries. That was a difficult one to get through.

[3:55:10] Trustee Patrick: Okay. Any other questions on the project charter?

[3:55:16] Voice 8: So, oh

[3:55:17] Voice 18: yeah,

[3:55:22] Voice 8: so engagement, and yeah, I think that's fine. We'll see what options and we can give you ideas in the meantime.

[3:55:33] Voice 8: Yeah, absolutely.

[3:55:34] Voice 8: And this is wonderful. Thank you. Yeah,

[3:55:38] Trustee Patrick: thank you so much for putting that together.

[3:55:39] Trustee Patrick: and thank you for putting the project timeline back into the staff reports thank you

[3:55:47] Trustee Patrick: i i think when communications and anyone books up these things it really helps to

[3:55:53] Trustee Patrick: situate yourself so uh

[3:55:55] Voice 8: do we still um so if there are outstanding questions on you know lingering

[3:56:03] Voice 8: fears about what's allowed on shoreline properties what will be impacted or not

[3:56:10] Voice 8: um i mean this three-pager is great in the meantime i mean is there anything else we can

[3:56:16] Voice 8: offer the public in terms of clarity um existing property rights not affected one thing i had is

[3:56:25] Voice 8: that the law there isn't a good understanding of lawful or non-conforming protection in the

[3:56:29] Voice 8: local government um act

[3:56:31] Voice 8: could we do a little write-up on that i mean just pull the parts

[3:56:35] Voice 8: of the act that like describe um non-conforming protection i've been referring to it quite a bit

[3:56:42] Voice 8: and just sort of saying you have the ability to rebuild on the footprint and you still have very

[3:56:48] Voice 8: basic questions so

[3:56:51] Voice 7: you're asking for a communication piece related to legal non-conforming

[3:56:54] Voice 7: use i'm

[3:56:55] Voice 8: thinking it might be helpful maybe when the ocp maybe when the ocp comes out if we're

[3:57:02] Voice 8: to have a piece on the LUB like when LUB changes just because let's say the natural boundary of the

[3:57:10] Voice 8: sea was 50 meters and it goes to 30 meters and a house is within the zone um what is the lawful

[3:57:18] Voice 8: non-conforming protection that is in the local government that needs to be explicitly explained

[3:57:24] Voice 8: yeah so through the chair um i can certainly add that to the sort of report the kind of report

[3:57:31] Voice 8: You know, if I already have something that exists that doesn't conform to however the

[3:57:35] Voice 8: regulations will change, what happens, that's something I could add to that.

[3:57:40] Voice 8: Kim did a great write-up for the South Pender LTC, maybe we can modify something like that.

[3:57:46] Voice 8: I'm inventing that one again.

[3:57:49] Voice 8: Lots of questions.

[3:57:50] Trustee Patrick: Any other questions on this perfect charter?

[3:57:56] Voice 7: I think, do I have any more?

[3:58:04] Voice 7: All right.

[3:58:05] Voice 7: If not,

[3:58:05] Trustee Patrick: then it's the motions on page 34 as amended.

[3:58:14] Voice 3: I move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee

[3:58:17] Voice 3: endorse the revised project charter as amended.

[3:58:21] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second?

[3:58:22] Trustee Patrick: Seconded by Trustee Elliott.

[3:58:23] Trustee Patrick: Any discussion?

[3:58:24] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[3:58:26] Trustee Patrick: Call the vote.

[3:58:27] Trustee Patrick: Then all those in favor, that carries.

[3:58:29] Trustee Patrick: Any outstanding questions on this project

[3:58:32] Trustee Patrick: or anything else from staff on the project?

[3:58:36] Trustee Patrick: HAB-Masyn Moyer- Otherwise we're going to move into item 12.2 i'm sorry 11.2, which is the fresh water footprint Gabriel a case study, we have a report report.

[3:58:47] Trustee Patrick: HAB-Masyn Moyer- will be adding us, I know just easy our focus today is less on the content of the report more about the process of where we go forward, but.

[3:58:58] Trustee Patrick: But for those following along, it's page 37 of the agenda package.

[3:59:04] Trustee Patrick: And I'll turn the floor over to you, Freshwater Specialist, William Shilwell.

[3:59:09] Voice 1: Thank you, Chair.

[3:59:11] Voice 1: You know, I just am really brief here.

[3:59:13] Voice 1: The intention of providing this briefing was just to give a brief background to the project and then also to provide the report.

[3:59:24] Voice 1: This is like the final, final, final draft.

[3:59:27] Voice 1: It hasn't been stamped yet, but it will be in its final form for the special business meeting.

[3:59:35] Voice 1: And the intention of it hitting the agenda package now is to make it public.

[3:59:39] Voice 1: So it gives ample time for the community and the LTC to review before the special business meeting in March.

[3:59:45] Voice 1: When we generate that report for March, it will be more of a staff report and we'll also append the final stamped report from the consultants.

[3:59:56] Voice 1: there will be no changes, really.

[4:00:00] Voice 1: the the finalization of that and um yeah that's that's all i i i have really i'm

[4:00:05] Voice 1: looking forward to the um special business meeting um have had some feedback from

[4:00:13] Voice 1: some of the trustees so far so uh feel free to um in your review of the report provide

[4:00:20] Voice 1: provide your feedback to me and I'll be able to triage those comments and I'll have a meeting

[4:00:32] Voice 1: with the consultants before the business meeting to kind of lay out some of the comments and

[4:00:39] Voice 1: concerns that we're hearing and they'll provide a robust presentation and we can have a question

[4:00:49] Voice 1: and answer with them after uh and perhaps i will have um perhaps it makes sense for me to speak

[4:00:59] Voice 1: with the chair about how we will handle that question and answer because i think that um it

[4:01:04] Voice 1: would probably be best if the questions came like through staff and then and then we and then i could

[4:01:09] Voice 1: propose them to the consultant um because i'll have a roster of questions coming into that uh

[4:01:16] Voice 1: into that presentation and then it's really the will of the LTC in their special business meeting

[4:01:21] Voice 1: what else they would like to accomplish in that meeting besides like getting a presentation from

[4:01:30] Voice 1: the consultant and then also options from planning staff in a staff report for the other

[4:01:38] Voice 1: like recommendations that I have in the briefing that we would come to the LTC with

[4:01:43] Voice 1: with, I guess, analysis of how this will be implemented

[4:01:50] Voice 1: in the official community plan.

[4:01:53] Voice 1: So yeah, with that, I'll turn it back, I think, to questions.

[4:01:58] Trustee Patrick: All right, trustees, questions sort of on process,

[4:02:01] Trustee Patrick: how to set this up for success?

[4:02:04] Voice 8: Go ahead.

[4:02:06] Voice 8: Yeah, the last question you just landed on, William,

[4:02:08] Voice 8: um how will the how is the information um to be analyzed and used in the draft OCP

[4:02:17] Voice 8: um sort of how how are you thinking to approach that are you um are we asking for maps that show

[4:02:27] Voice 8: areas of the high footprint low footprint this is where development's not desired like how far

[4:02:33] Voice 8: are we going with making explicit links between um you know here's what the science is telling us

[4:02:40] Voice 8: and here's how it affects policy development or is this just all going to be words

[4:02:45] Voice 8: well we have not beyond what's in here there's a lot

[4:02:49] Voice 3: maybe just before william answers that question

[4:02:54] Voice 3: the answer that i got for that question which might be totally wrong

[4:02:58] Voice 3: is that this freshwater footprint does have a map and that we will consider these when

[4:03:05] Voice 3: identifying criteria for evaluating changes to use and density but is there more than that

[4:03:12] Voice 3: are you thinking like is there more than that that we need to apply

[4:03:16] Trustee Patrick: well i think what you're i think what you're you know what the community's interests are

[4:03:22] Trustee Patrick: yeah if the presentation is just about the technical aspects of how this report was done

[4:03:26] Trustee Patrick: and that's interesting but the community wants to know how is it going to be used future development

[4:03:33] Trustee Patrick: i guess is that our besides the consultant and our freshwater specialist uh planner chadwick

[4:03:40] Trustee Patrick: are you going to be involved into our part of the presentation sort of about how how does this

[4:03:44] Trustee Patrick: theoretical science thing now become something that you're able to put into

[4:03:50] Trustee Patrick: what you're doing yes

[4:03:52] Voice 7: and i think i i think that's certainly something that

[4:03:55] Voice 7: that i can i can add um because you know we do have we have we are

[4:04:01] Voice 8: drafting the policies

[4:04:01] Voice 8: and and so i would be able to speak very directly to how that information informs uh what's what's

[4:04:10] Voice 8: in the what the opposition will say in particular like specifically around any increases in decent

[4:04:17] Voice 3: density so my encouraging words here to me these are encouraging ensuring that future development

[4:04:24] Voice 3: aligns with the physical limits of the island's aquifers which is interesting in itself because

[4:04:31] Voice 3: the aquifers are the input but the output is still unknown so i i think even um william

[4:04:40] Voice 3: alludes to that that there's two main factors for um input the the foundational layers

[4:04:47] Voice 3: establish the input but the water demands we have uncertainty about so the human water demands for

[4:04:57] Voice 3: various activities and the water evaporation transpiration and runoff I'm not sure we have

[4:05:06] Voice 3: that I don't know we have a lot of information on that so it's so interesting because the balance

[4:05:12] Voice 3: is the input and the output go ahead uh

[4:05:18] Voice 1: well the balance is the project and this is the best

[4:05:24] Voice 1: that we have and we do have a good handle on nevada push transpiration and runoff that's the

[4:05:30] Voice 1: one of the foundational pieces of the project um so i i'm not sure if you had a good chance

[4:05:36] Voice 1: to go through it but i encourage you to to read through the report um because it does establish

[4:05:42] Voice 1: those parameters and and it does consider uh water quality inputs and quantity inputs and we

[4:05:51] Voice 1: and saltwater intrusion risk and and and uh and water demand is the best we have

[4:05:58] Voice 1: um there's going to be no better water demand analysis and so this is all you got this is

[4:06:06] Voice 1: everything this is the best that in the province this is novel work and it results in a freshwater

[4:06:13] Voice 1: hazard map and um gw solutions are not planners so we they are hydrogeologists and and water

[4:06:22] Voice 1: resource engineers and they provided us um their conclusions and their conclusions is this uh

[4:06:29] Voice 1: freshwater hazard map and if you look at that map it kind of looks a little bit obscure

[4:06:33] Voice 1: obscure um and it's as obscure i would say as the uh groundwater recharge map that we received

[4:06:40] Voice 1: through that project and in order to engage the groundwater recharge map into planning

[4:06:47] Voice 1: for example on galliano island uh staff had to take that map that raw map and do analysis so we

[4:06:54] Voice 1: did a parcel intersect and we created a development permit map uh through further analysis so there is

[4:07:02] Voice 1: is the opportunity to take the freshwater hazard map and and do further analysis by looking at

[4:07:08] Voice 1: either at um out hazard of the word aquifers because that's kind of an abstract concept in

[4:07:14] Voice 1: that um distressed area we can look at groundwater regions and identify which groundwater regions

[4:07:20] Voice 1: are um have higher hazard or lower hazard that can be um either a warning for future development

[4:07:28] Voice 1: or an opportunity and we can also do an intersection of the hazards down to the parcel

[4:07:35] Voice 1: level to to look at which parcels have higher hazard or lower hazard and that like a now that

[4:07:44] Voice 1: planning analysis was intentionally left out of this work because we wanted the best science to

[4:07:52] Voice 1: come together to create a freshwater footprint uh a methodology that is based in environmental

[4:07:59] Voice 1: footprint and ecological footprint uh philosophy and so there is a lot of work that we can

[4:08:06] Voice 1: undertake to um generate uh more maps and and to identify regions of opportunity and and um of

[4:08:15] Voice 1: of caution so yeah

[4:08:19] Voice 20: sorry

[4:08:20] Voice 1: yeah sorry sorry chair I just was pressing my mute button by accident

[4:08:26] Voice 1: um yeah so so sorry but I didn't mean to drop off that was kind of the end of my comment thank you

[4:08:30] Voice 1: yeah

[4:08:32] Voice 8: I'm just wondering if planning staff will support you know explainers on the

[4:08:42] Voice 8: how the freshwater hazard map is or will inform our policies because it it does feel to the

[4:08:51] Voice 8: community like these things are happening in tandem very close together so how are we developing

[4:08:56] Voice 8: policies if the you know science that we're basing it on is just coming out sort of thing so one of

[4:09:02] Voice 8: those links I think making them explicit would really help yeah mind you this report was done

[4:09:11] Voice 8: 2025 not september right yeah um

[4:09:16] Voice 1: yeah uh sorry through the chair it was the project was completed

[4:09:20] Voice 1: in 2025 and due to the strike and um and other considerations like uh yeah where this is um

[4:09:30] Voice 1: this is the process so uh staff have reviewed it and um and there was some feedback and we also uh

[4:09:39] Voice 1: received a significant amount of information late from uh island health uh with regard to

[4:09:46] Voice 1: water uh quantity quality sorry that we really needed to um engage into the project so that's

[4:09:53] Voice 1: that's why it it was um also you know this is why it's coming now and and i uh yeah i i will agree

[4:10:01] Voice 1: that like there's um you know science takes its time and and also implementing and planning takes

[4:10:06] Voice 1: takes its time and we can use it towards policy and then engage the work in implementing that

[4:10:17] Voice 1: policy as we go forward. But there can be more technical analysis of the science to inform

[4:10:27] Voice 1: the OCP or the LUB. Thanks.

[4:10:32] Voice 8: Some interesting observations. Just for the public's info,

[4:10:36] Voice 8: though, they're all on page 173, the combined criteria, Gabriel

[4:10:41] Voice 8: water footprint. So just in terms of presentation for the

[4:10:46] Voice 8: material, I would suggest pulling out that section because

[4:10:53] Voice 8: it's a lot to get through. To get to the freshwater footprint

[4:10:57] Voice 8: hazard map, we all in and I so appreciate that you've you've

[4:11:01] Voice 8: included where they've included everything, like all the

[4:11:04] Voice 8: science is there all the references um the work is grounded in a significant well it's huge i

[4:11:12] Voice 8: can't believe we got this done for fifty thousand dollars i'm like was that the goddess yeah

[4:11:17] Voice 1: through

[4:11:18] Voice 1: the through the chair that's um that was the that

[4:11:23] Voice 8: was the budget that

[4:11:23] Voice 1: was the cost of the budget but

[4:11:25] Voice 1: that's definitely not the the cost of the work that went into it if if that makes sense yeah

[4:11:31] Voice 3: Yeah, because we have years of another stuff.

[4:11:35] Voice 3: It's a compilation.

[4:11:36] Voice 1: Yeah, through the chair.

[4:11:37] Voice 1: It's a compilation.

[4:11:38] Voice 3: Yeah,

[4:11:39] Voice 1: like through the chair, this is a strategic and like logical capstone project to five years of investment in aquifer and groundwater research.

[4:11:55] Voice 1: research, as well as what I'm trying to get at is that the volume of input and effort

[4:12:03] Voice 1: from the consultant doesn't match the other value of the work.

[4:12:10] Voice 1: So

[4:12:10] Trustee Patrick: I think there's two pieces is one the connection to the project, the OCP, how it's going to

[4:12:15] Trustee Patrick: be used.

[4:12:16] Trustee Patrick: And you do have a fair number of very keen data people.

[4:12:22] Trustee Patrick: people so water warriors water warriors um that there are a number of recommendations for

[4:12:29] Trustee Patrick: additional information that many of us know and so i think we keep ending up with every report

[4:12:39] Trustee Patrick: having almost a identical list of things that we still need to know um and i i think we need to be

[4:12:48] Trustee Patrick: be clear about that, talk about that a little bit,

[4:12:51] Trustee Patrick: because in particular, what pieces

[4:12:57] Trustee Patrick: may be more important than others?

[4:12:59] Trustee Patrick: Because I think the community is looking for that as well.

[4:13:03] Trustee Patrick: And we need to be looking for that for next steps.

[4:13:06] Trustee Patrick: The model is only as good as the inputs that are in it.

[4:13:08] Trustee Patrick: It could be better if.

[4:13:11] Trustee Patrick: And I think that's where people are

[4:13:13] Trustee Patrick: going to want to know those, or at least have an idea where

[4:13:16] Trustee Patrick: that effort could go.

[4:13:17] Trustee Patrick: uh

[4:13:19] Voice 1: yeah through the chair one of the most uh beneficial and amazing findings from this work is

[4:13:25] Voice 1: how water quality um relates uh to water availability and the water balance um we

[4:13:34] Voice 1: like of course we've always said you know when you look at freshwater resources you have to look

[4:13:39] Voice 1: at quality and quantity um usually quality is for the purposes of uh potable potability and

[4:13:45] Voice 1: drinking water. And in this case, we have really defined ways that water quality can

[4:13:53] Voice 1: be a lead driver to understand the availability of water resources and water quality can really be

[4:14:01] Voice 1: pushed back to the hands of the community because the data is easier to acquire. And

[4:14:09] Voice 1: And there's examples across the Islands Trust area where community groups have taken on

[4:14:17] Voice 1: water quality assessments and how rich that data is for this work is kind of a novel find

[4:14:24] Voice 1: and is really encouraging and can lead to future work in, say, stormwater management

[4:14:31] Voice 1: planning and things like that.

[4:14:32] Voice 1: So thanks.

[4:14:34] Voice 1: I

[4:14:35] Voice 8: really, really appreciate your work on this and the energy of the consultants and the fact that, you know, you didn't plan this from beginning to end, we're going to have a community for a special meeting to talk about it. And, yeah, I'm just really pleased that we actually have some science to refer to and making our decisions. This is what we're supposed to be doing.

[4:15:00] Voice 8: Thank you, William.

[4:15:01] Voice 8: So

[4:15:02] Trustee Patrick: do you need any further directions, William?

[4:15:04] Trustee Patrick: You have your hand up anyway.

[4:15:05] Trustee Patrick: Oh, yeah.

[4:15:06] Voice 1: I thank you for that through the chair.

[4:15:08] Voice 1: Thank you, Trustee Elliott.

[4:15:10] Voice 1: I really want to state that this project really reflects on our mandate.

[4:15:20] Voice 1: The coordination effort between the Regional District of Nanaimo and Island Health was so significant in this process.

[4:15:28] Voice 1: And indeed, that's why we chose Gabriela for the case study, just because we have those

[4:15:33] Voice 1: relationships.

[4:15:34] Voice 1: And I think following this work, we should really take an analysis of how to strengthen

[4:15:42] Voice 1: those coordination efforts around freshwater.

[4:15:45] Voice 1: And there has been a lot of energy around this from the consultants, of course, from

[4:15:50] Voice 1: myself just stewarding the project, but then also from our partners.

[4:15:54] Voice 1: They are really interested and engaged in this work.

[4:15:56] Voice 1: And now the province is poking around and asking us about it.

[4:16:03] Voice 1: And I think it will inform their work going forward too in the honest trust area.

[4:16:08] Voice 1: So it's a really successful project in that way where we really took on the coordination feature here.

[4:16:15] Voice 1: And I think we did that by putting the money up front over the last five years.

[4:16:21] Voice 1: But I think that was a well investment.

[4:16:24] Voice 1: spent, I think now it kind of greased the wheels of coordination, and that's, I think, the most

[4:16:31] Voice 1: exciting part of this project. Any

[4:16:36] Voice 8: other questions, trustees? Back to how the material will be

[4:16:41] Voice 8: presented. If we see maps, other than the maps that the consultants have produced in this report,

[4:16:50] Voice 8: Thank you for that.

[4:16:51] Voice 8: It has been requested that we have very clear explanations of what is in that map?

[4:16:59] Voice 8: What is the, like, what are we looking at?

[4:17:02] Voice 8: They need to be accompanied by explainers and methodology.

[4:17:06] Voice 8: So whether it references a certain page in the report, this is, you know, that.

[4:17:11] Voice 8: But when it comes to planning, if you're pulling any maps for policy development,

[4:17:16] Voice 8: I think we really want to refer back to the science that's where people I think would feel comfortable with the information they're getting would be my request I don't know if it's, I don't think it

[4:17:29] Trustee Patrick: needs to be a resolution just

[4:17:30] Voice 8: explanations.

[4:17:35] Trustee Patrick: Great.

[4:17:36] Trustee Patrick: I'm sure

[4:17:36] Trustee Patrick: stuff if you hear any comments from any of the people that you know are reading the report please share them with staff so that they have heads up.

[4:17:44] Trustee Patrick: And

[4:17:45] Voice 8: do you want questions in advance? Because we could ask the community to submit their questions so that you and the consultant could, you know, easily access the material.

[4:17:57] Voice 8: Go ahead, Willem.

[4:17:58] Voice 1: Yes, please. Like, I would really appreciate it if we had comments prior to.

[4:18:06] Voice 1: um it'd be best if we had comments and questions prior to my staff report for the special business

[4:18:13] Voice 1: meeting but that's likely um only that's not completely reasonable but um if we have comments

[4:18:20] Voice 1: that can come to me or to narissa um prior uh then we can at least triage those questions and

[4:18:27] Voice 1: and have them for the consultants the consultants will provide a presentation of course and um we

[4:18:35] Voice 1: will ask them questions following and and and it's it's a meeting of the local trust committee so

[4:18:41] Voice 1: uh there can obviously be questions asked off the floor as there will be after a presentation

[4:18:45] Voice 1: of the sort um and i'm unsure about questions from the public that's something that i'm not

[4:18:54] Voice 1: sure of that has to be discussed likely between the ltc and the planner um and we'll be providing

[4:19:00] Voice 1: finding a staff report with it so not just a briefing so within that staff report I'll have

[4:19:06] Voice 1: to discuss with planners um what we are going to provide in there if it's going to be more analysis

[4:19:13] Voice 1: of maps or analysis of the report I haven't really got there yet and we also need to know a date so I

[4:19:20] Voice 1: can provide that to the consultants thanks okay

[4:19:25] Voice 3: um just very quickly thank you so much for the

[4:19:28] Voice 3: the briefing too william it's really good and i love that you've actually used the the phrase

[4:19:33] Voice 3: carrying capacity in there um that's important i consider this probably the most important aspect

[4:19:40] Voice 3: of carrying capacity there are others um but then i just want to ask staff if we want the public to

[4:19:47] Voice 3: comment on this before the meeting and we want some maybe some you know really helpful comments

[4:19:54] Voice 3: how's the fastest way for the public to look at this study yes

[4:20:01] Trustee Patrick: we have a separate version that

[4:20:03] Trustee Patrick: so they don't have to look at this agenda package just the report itself about the project website

[4:20:08] Trustee Patrick: the

[4:20:09] Voice 8: report on the website part of

[4:20:11] Voice 8: the other information maybe because i

[4:20:13] Voice 3: don't want to

[4:20:13] Voice 3: recommend i don't want to ask people to comment because i will i have groups i can send this to

[4:20:17] Voice 3: individuals but i want them to be able to find it right away yeah so i mean i guess

[4:20:24] Trustee Patrick: right now it

[4:20:25] Trustee Patrick: would be under staff it would be it would be under the agenda package i guess uh it just if we could

[4:20:31] Trustee Patrick: have had it just make it as the its own standalone report right otherwise we have to because tell

[4:20:36] Trustee Patrick: them to go to the attendance and then go to page 39 the agenda package just makes another how can

[4:20:41] Trustee Patrick: we do that make

[4:20:42] Voice 3: them we can make a plan all right

[4:20:45] Voice 3: excellent and just send it to us as soon as you

[4:20:48] Voice 3: can and then i won't do anything with this until i get the link the link perfect okay

[4:20:54] Voice 18: all right any

[4:20:56] Voice 18: Any

[4:20:56] Trustee Patrick: other data needs from us, William, or are you okay?

[4:21:02] Voice 1: Yeah, just through the chair, I'm just wondering,

[4:21:06] Voice 1: and perhaps that I think it'd be beneficial if staff

[4:21:10] Voice 1: maybe have a discussion with the chair before the meeting

[4:21:12] Voice 1: just to understand expectations.

[4:21:14] Voice 1: But is there an expectation to open the floor to the public?

[4:21:18] Voice 1: I'm pretty protectionist over my consultants, right?

[4:21:22] Voice 1: Right. And so that will have to be moderated closely.

[4:21:27] Trustee Patrick: Well, I think, you know, depending on how the format's set up,

[4:21:31] Trustee Patrick: I think questions should be written in.

[4:21:36] Trustee Patrick: Yes.

[4:21:36] Voice 1: That's what I'm asking. Like, are we

[4:21:38] Voice 1: taking questions like as a.

[4:21:42] Trustee Patrick: I got you. I mean, there'll be public questions, but typed in.

[4:21:46] Trustee Patrick: I don't know about verbal questions.

[4:21:48] Trustee Patrick: i think we should

[4:21:49] Voice 8: yeah to respect the consultants who are not used to being put in front of the

[4:21:56] Voice 8: public to answer some very deeply researched information what if we had a one week before

[4:22:05] Voice 8: you know kind of cut off that people can write to north info and that could be

[4:22:11] Voice 8: forwarded to

[4:22:12] Voice 8: William and the consultants

[4:22:15] Voice 8: and I think

[4:22:16] Voice 8: everyone's going to be

[4:22:17] Voice 8: people have already told me they have questions

[4:22:21] Voice 8: I don't think it's going to curb

[4:22:24] Voice 8: anyone who's

[4:22:25] Voice 8: deeply interested in the material

[4:22:26] Voice 8: I just think it gives the consultants a chance

[4:22:29] Voice 8: to be able to address it

[4:22:31] Voice 8: and I don't think

[4:22:33] Voice 8: taking questions from the floor would be very helpful

[4:22:35] Trustee Patrick: I think being able to type in questions during

[4:22:37] Trustee Patrick: not that you might be able to address

[4:22:39] Trustee Patrick: rest of because of time um but i think letting people at least you know they think of questions

[4:22:45] Trustee Patrick: as they're hearing something so having that ability um if if there's time at the end it

[4:22:50] Trustee Patrick: would be moderated because uh someone like william could say look at the question it's an

[4:22:55] Trustee Patrick: inappropriate question it doesn't get asked to the consultant or it gets published and so it'll

[4:22:59] Voice 7: be answered

[4:22:59] Trustee Patrick: in a different way gotcha okay so i think the public will i think having the ability

[4:23:04] Trustee Patrick: during the webinar essentially to type in a question but yes encouraging in questions in

[4:23:12] Trustee Patrick: advance as ideal for everyone to be prepared because the question may be dealt with through

[4:23:17] Trustee Patrick: the presentation or it may be answered explicitly uh

[4:23:21] Voice 1: yeah thank you chair i that's my thoughts

[4:23:23] Voice 1: exactly and and i i really don't mind if if people are asking questions all the way up like

[4:23:29] Voice 1: like by writing in up to the day because it we have had really good success in webinars of

[4:23:37] Voice 1: questions being typed in a question and answer thing on zoom and then and then I usually have

[4:23:42] Voice 1: an administration person helping just grab those and then sending them to me in the meeting and

[4:23:47] Voice 1: then I'm triaging and then and then asking them back to the consultant or the presenter we've

[4:23:52] Voice 1: done that before what I'm just trying to hazard at is open mic in the meeting and I believe that's

[4:23:59] Voice 1: not the case yeah

[4:24:00] Voice 3: yeah we certainly do that with our stewardship webinars william and it's really

[4:24:04] Voice 3: it works very well yeah

[4:24:06] Voice 1: i agree yeah exactly that's what i was uh hoping would be the outcome

[4:24:10] Voice 1: that makes sense to me thank you

[4:24:12] Trustee Patrick: we'll work with you to make it as effective as possible thank you

[4:24:18] Trustee Patrick: to the staff that are sneaking out the back door have a safe

[4:24:22] Trustee Patrick: drive okay um thank

[4:24:26] Voice 7: you i'm going to

[4:24:26] Voice 7: move on then to correspondence and we will come on to the public meeting.

[4:24:32] Trustee Patrick: We have two pieces of

[4:24:33] Trustee Patrick: correspondence here. First item 12.1 is an email received on January 22nd from Jackson. Is there

[4:24:42] Trustee Patrick: any action that needs to be taken on this one?

[4:24:45] Voice 3: Yes I think both of us are totally attentive to

[4:24:50] Voice 3: the fact that many people can't attend daytime meetings during regular business hours and

[4:24:56] Voice 3: And certainly we've just asked for our next information meeting

[4:25:01] Voice 3: to be late afternoon, evening,

[4:25:04] Voice 3: so that people like Tim Schell and others working during the day can attend.

[4:25:09] Voice 8: Well, I mean, I'm happy to respond to this.

[4:25:16] Voice 8: It actually was one of my election promises

[4:25:20] Voice 8: to make meetings more accessible.

[4:25:21] Voice 8: acceptable and um i do recognize that we've not been able to do that um just the meetings are so

[4:25:32] Voice 8: long but i don't know if there is any way to change the schedule i mean if we have more

[4:25:39] Voice 8: electronic meetings we can have them in the evening and i don't really understand why we

[4:25:44] Voice 8: always have in-person meetings um partly i think it's because the gabriel office is here and it's

[4:25:52] Voice 8: easy for staff to attend but we could think about making some meetings electronic and scheduling

[4:25:57] Voice 8: them in the evening could we not

[4:25:59] Voice 3: still go on for four or five hours in the evening i don't know

[4:26:06] Voice 3: maybe not my cup of tea but i i feel like it's a moving

[4:26:11] Trustee Patrick: thing as we move forward it's uh the

[4:26:13] Trustee Patrick: accessibility and the work that's going to be done the accessibility committee how do we make a

[4:26:18] Trustee Patrick: the local government more accessible and that will be a changing

[4:26:22] Trustee Patrick: target. It's balancing resources

[4:26:26] Trustee Patrick: and staff with accessibility.

[4:26:29] Voice 8: Although I will say

[4:26:30] Voice 8: the letter writer says because they're not a landowner they cannot vote for trustees.

[4:26:34] Voice 8: That is not true. That is true for the fire board. That is

[4:26:38] Voice 8: not true for here. You can vote for trustees in the municipal elections. Absolutely.

[4:26:42] Voice 8: If you're a resident of BC. So just to clarify

[4:26:46] Voice 8: five for everybody you can all vote if you reside we love renters in gabriel

[4:26:51] Voice 8: so i think we have had lots of discussion on this

[4:26:56] Voice 8: i would you and i could go straight back

[4:26:58] Voice 8: to tim shawland yeah i see her often all right yeah

[4:27:02] Trustee Patrick: and the next item is an email

[4:27:04] Trustee Patrick: of january 21 from l steel

[4:27:11] Voice 3: So I just a couple of comments here Chair Patrick. Liz Steele wanted to be here today

[4:27:17] Voice 3: to present her letter. She sends her regrets. She's her husband's dealing with some health

[4:27:24] Voice 3: issues and they don't they don't want to be in public and for the time being.

[4:27:29] Voice 3: So that's

[4:27:30] Voice 3: I did want to convey those regrets, but I also wanted to make sure that Ms. Steele knows that there is a 2024 MOU between the province and the Union of BC Municipalities to share information with local governments, including the Islands Trust,

[4:27:51] Voice 3: trust to consider local government interests and to seek advice where local government

[4:27:57] Voice 3: island trust jurisdiction may be affected with any possible negotiations and we

[4:28:06] Voice 3: will not be

[4:28:06] Voice 3: left in the dark and we will share information as soon as it becomes available and maybe just

[4:28:16] Voice 3: also to reiterate there are no active negotiations underway yeah

[4:28:20] Voice 8: yeah so i actually did seek clarity

[4:28:23] Voice 8: on when the local trust committee might be informed

[4:28:27] Voice 8: on this specific issue.

[4:28:30] Voice 8: We were at UBCO,

[4:28:32] Voice 8: the panel of the chief negotiators,

[4:28:34] Voice 8: they invited us to write to them with questions.

[4:28:38] Voice 8: So I specifically asked when they gave role to the community

[4:28:41] Voice 8: or how we might be apprised.

[4:28:45] Voice 8: And so the response was that any future consideration

[4:28:50] Voice 8: of land return will involve additional negotiations, inter-government engagement, engagement with

[4:28:57] Voice 8: affected interest holders, and formal approvals by the Province of BC and Canada, that there

[4:29:04] Voice 8: are no active negotiations underway to transfer lands on Gabriela Island at this time.

[4:29:10] Voice 8: So Islands Trust will be informed, as you said, and engaged, but we are not part of

[4:29:17] Voice 8: those conversations and um so yeah there's no negotiations happening uh there will be no land

[4:29:25] Voice 8: transfers by the province of bc without prior notice and stress will share information as it

[4:29:31] Voice 8: becomes available and that's all that we know all right uh

[4:29:36] Voice 7: so appreciate

[4:29:39] Voice 8: you writing in uh miss steel

[4:29:41] Voice 8: okay so i'm going to keep on going there's no further actions and correspondence well

[4:29:48] Voice 8: Well, should somebody write back?

[4:29:49] Voice 8: I mean, she wrote

[4:29:51] Voice 3: her letter to many.

[4:29:52] Voice 3: And it's a comprehensive letter.

[4:29:54] Voice 3: It covers many things.

[4:29:55] Voice 3: A lot of questions.

[4:29:56] Voice 3: And there's a

[4:29:56] Voice 3: few things in here that I think.

[4:30:00] Voice 3: some misinformation can be quickly dispelled um you know um if if lands are transferred at some

[4:30:09] Voice 3: point wills well for example wills the name of first nation consultation continue to be a

[4:30:16] Voice 3: requirement on gabriela well yes of course it will it's part of reconciliation regardless of whether

[4:30:21] Voice 3: any lands are transferred anytime anywhere we would always have we would always be involved

[4:30:28] Voice 3: in our referrals

[4:30:31] Voice 8: and

[4:30:31] Voice 3: other well

[4:30:32] Voice 8: all the first nations in the provincial consultative database

[4:30:36] Voice 8: are referred all of our um bylaws so that's not um there is no change in that the referral process

[4:30:44] Voice 8: is quite extensive so do i do think we i mean she's asking some specific questions some of

[4:30:51] Voice 8: which can be answered and some we don't have the answers to um do we want to work together

[4:30:56] Voice 3: on i

[4:30:57] Voice 3: I have a suggestion that might, it puts a bit more work on R.P.M. Jamarat, but I know that R.P.M. Jamarat has helped us with similar correspondence on this.

[4:31:07] Voice 7: So

[4:31:08] Voice 3: I'm thinking that it's not difficult to answer these questions. There's 10 of them. They're pretty clear. And I'm wondering if we could ask R.P.M. Jamarat to respond to Ms. Steele's letter on our behalf.

[4:31:23] Voice 3: Is the R.P.M. still listening in?

[4:31:35] Voice 8: this might actually another another thing is because many people are asking these questions

[4:31:41] Voice 8: what if we ask if

[4:31:42] Voice 8: staff can make a frequently asked questions tab on the island stress website

[4:31:47] Voice 8: that has not specific to gabriel but some of the general things about ownership tenure

[4:31:52] Voice 8: um you know if a nation's management plans are disclosed to we can try forward this to

[4:32:00] Voice 8: the executive committee

[4:32:01] Trustee Patrick: again well we just got it from the executive committee well

[4:32:07] Trustee Patrick: you're right no it's probably come to the executive yes we sent it so yeah oh we sent

[4:32:13] Trustee Patrick: it to gabriel yeah right well i mean but if we're asking we can bring it back and just say

[4:32:18] Trustee Patrick: we think it's a frequently asked question issue but

[4:32:23] Voice 8: it's it's more of it's more than

[4:32:25] Voice 8: you know asking our staff to reply to some some of the questions that conflate different issues

[4:32:32] Voice 8: like constitutional rights and land title rights like i don't actually want to load this on staff

[4:32:40] Voice 8: that aren't it's not part of our work to untangle the the

[4:32:46] Voice 3: larger constitution i don't think someone

[4:32:48] Voice 3: needs to do that i mean one of the big questions the overriding concern here before these questions

[4:32:53] Voice 3: are laid out to us is islanders feel like they're being left out of the negotiations

[4:32:58] Voice 3: that higher levels of government are doing well they're not being left out those negotiations

[4:33:05] Voice 3: are being done at the appropriate levels and if islanders are being left out then we're also being

[4:33:11] Voice 3: left out but we know when we'll be you know we know when we'll be informed so maybe i think it

[4:33:20] Voice 3: would be appropriate to ask Garfine Jamrat to answer this one letter, just the questions.

[4:33:31] Voice 8: I mean I think it's a matter of public interest. Oh it is, it is. So I don't know if just answering

[4:33:37] Voice 8: the letter to Ms. Steele is helping the situation. It'll help but it won't solve all the problems.

[4:33:47] Voice 8: Why don't we work on a response and have it on our agenda for the next meeting?

[4:33:54] Voice 8: The questions that we can answer, you know, we'll bring it back.

[4:33:57] Voice 8: RPM General can have a chance to work on

[4:34:00] Voice 8: some things.

[4:34:04] Voice 3: I move that Gabriel on the local trust committee

[4:34:09] Voice 3: work on a response to correspondence dated January 21st from Liz Steele

[4:34:18] Voice 3: and come back to the next local trust committee meeting

[4:34:26] Voice 3: with with a proposal for frequently asked questions on this topic go ahead

[4:34:39] Voice 24: um so that sounds like that resolution is asking the ltc

[4:34:47] Voice 24: okay

[4:34:48] Voice 3: we can't ask ourselves

[4:34:49] Voice 24: right as an individual trustee

[4:34:52] Voice 24: you could

[4:34:53] Voice 24: whoever could prepare something

[4:34:56] Voice 24: for discussion at your

[4:34:59] Voice 24: LTA meeting

[4:35:00] Voice 24: yeah

[4:35:01] Voice 8: okay

[4:35:02] Voice 8: I think let's work with staff

[4:35:05] Voice 8: on a response

[4:35:07] Voice 8: and that can appear on an agenda

[4:35:08] Voice 8: so everybody knows

[4:35:10] Voice 8: what the answers are

[4:35:12] Voice 3: I'm happy to send our PM

[4:35:14] Voice 3: a query on this and just copy

[4:35:17] Voice 3: so we

[4:35:18] Trustee Patrick: don't need a resolution

[4:35:19] Trustee Patrick: okay that's better yet

[4:35:21] Trustee Patrick: it. All right. Keep that one in our mind. Move forward. Okay. So

[4:35:27] Trustee Patrick: then I'm going to move on then to staff reports. I think you

[4:35:34] Trustee Patrick: touched on press conservancy earlier. So reporting this 14.2

[4:35:40] Trustee Patrick: we have the application report. Any questions on any of the

[4:35:42] Trustee Patrick: applications?

[4:35:44] Voice 8: Well, we had a question from a member of the public relating to

[4:35:48] Voice 8: to their subdivision, which, so it's here,

[4:35:52] Voice 8: it's been on the applications reports since 2021

[4:35:57] Voice 8: on the Zero Stokes Road and how,

[4:36:00] Voice 8: where their subdivision be potentially impacted

[4:36:05] Voice 8: by a change in the OCP.

[4:36:09] Voice 8: Should we ask them to get in touch with staff?

[4:36:11] Voice 8: Although I've heard that we've stopped

[4:36:14] Voice 8: because they're working on everything,

[4:36:16] Voice 8: have asked no queries from the public um my understanding is that the current lub until

[4:36:25] Voice 8: it's amended any outstanding or any current active applications have a year

[4:36:33] Voice 8: to complete

[4:36:35] Voice 8: under the current lub so after um after

[4:36:41] Voice 7: adoption after

[4:36:42] Voice 8: adoption of a new one there is a timeline

[4:36:44] Voice 8: line of a year for any active application to be completed. So if anything changes, that's

[4:36:56] Voice 8: that's what we know. But if you want to write in, there's always there's an inquiries line

[4:37:06] Voice 8: that a planner can answer your questions specifically.

[4:37:19] Voice 7: I

[4:37:20] Voice 3: had a couple of others, but they're my usual

[4:37:23] Voice 3: ones, so the ones on page 281.

[4:37:27] Voice 3: They're all related, and it's taking a long time, and we had a site visit a year ago along

[4:37:36] Voice 3: along this this area i'm just wondering uh why is it taking so long

[4:37:43] Voice 3: i

[4:37:44] Voice 24: can't answer specifically why it's taking so long so there's three there's three applications

[4:37:53] Voice 24: there are two are for an existing development one for a proposed development is uh signed to me

[4:37:59] Voice 24: and yeah i currently have been reaching out to the applicant to ascertain really whether they're

[4:38:05] Voice 24: they're intending to continue with this or not, because I have not heard from them in

[4:38:10] Voice 24: a while.

[4:38:12] Voice 24: So I'm just looking for an update, and we'll see hopefully by our next meeting, it'll be

[4:38:16] Voice 24: a bit more clarity for those terms, whether it's going to be forwarded or not.

[4:38:21] Voice 20: The

[4:38:22] Voice 24: other two applications, the planner has provided me an update and indicated that the

[4:38:27] Voice 24: applicants have been preparing an updated professional report regarding that existing

[4:38:34] Voice 24: existing revetment from a qualified environmental professional and so they are planning to bring

[4:38:43] Voice 24: the applications forward for consideration at the next regular business meeting at the

[4:38:48] Voice 24: LTC.

[4:38:50] Voice 24: Wow.

[4:38:51] Voice 24: So that may be, yeah, that's what we need to do after the 5 years, so.

[4:38:55] Voice 3: Wow.

[4:38:57] Voice 3: Yeah, thank you very much, wonderful.

[4:39:00] Voice 3: And I just have one other quick question.

[4:39:06] Voice 3: The top of page 283, RZ2024.1, I'm almost certain that that's defunct, but have you

[4:39:21] Voice 3: been able to contact Taylor and Martin?

[4:39:22] Voice 3: Okay.

[4:39:23] Voice 3: So

[4:39:23] Voice 24: through the chair, I have been in touch with the applicant.

[4:39:26] Voice 24: okay they are um it may know uh you know a community organization with the board and

[4:39:33] Voice 24: they've had some changes on their board so they're i think they they either do just

[4:39:40] Voice 24: got a new board and that's coming soon that they will have a new board and they're going to review

[4:39:44] Voice 24: this um as soon as they're able to essentially with the new members to determine whether it's

[4:39:50] Voice 24: something they can do whether it's something they really intend to move forward with right now or

[4:39:53] Voice 24: or not.

[4:39:55] Voice 24: Thank

[4:39:55] Voice 3: you very much.

[4:39:56] Voice 24: That makes perfect sense.

[4:39:58] Voice 7: Thank you.

[4:40:01] Voice 7: All right.

[4:40:01] Voice 7: Any other questions on the application system?

[4:40:06] Trustee Patrick: Then I'll move on to the

[4:40:07] Trustee Patrick: trustee expense report.

[4:40:09] Voice 10: It's here on

[4:40:10] Trustee Patrick: page 287.

[4:40:13] Trustee Patrick: And you've got your

[4:40:14] Trustee Patrick: adopted policies

[4:40:16] Trustee Patrick: and standing resolutions on page

[4:40:18] Trustee Patrick: 288.

[4:40:21] Trustee Patrick: And

[4:40:22] Trustee Patrick: that brings us then to the

[4:40:25] Trustee Patrick: the Active Projects for Tour on page 297,

[4:40:30] Voice 19: which

[4:40:34] Voice 7: we know are active.

[4:40:35] Voice 19: Yep,

[4:40:36] Voice 7: it's very active.

[4:40:41] Trustee Patrick: Good, and then we have here the Future Projects list.

[4:40:45] Trustee Patrick: Yeah,

[4:40:46] Voice 8: I mean we can move number two up to number one, or that'll be moved to Active Projects when we undertake it, never mind.

[4:40:56] Voice 8: yeah it's not a priority list great

[4:41:01] Trustee Patrick: okay just just for conversations because i know salt's

[4:41:07] Trustee Patrick: pretty much pushing hard the future project list you've done some housekeeping on yours

[4:41:13] Trustee Patrick: ours is still a collection of things yeah um we talked about uh like the regional planning

[4:41:21] Trustee Patrick: committee when you hear from the biologists that are development permit areas are up to

[4:41:25] Trustee Patrick: date with legislation we're like that's a future project yeah so we're trying to find different

[4:41:30] Trustee Patrick: ways in which uh trustees can have good information before them when they make decisions on what

[4:41:37] Trustee Patrick: project comes next um based on maybe a better prioritized list with doesn't have to be what

[4:41:43] Trustee Patrick: trustees came up with to be on the list it should be what everybody's come up with to be on the list

[4:41:48] Trustee Patrick: um you can just have who put it on there it could be staff it could be well others so we have

[4:41:54] Voice 8: discussed at regional planning committee that criteria for projects um you know are more going

[4:42:03] Voice 8: to be assessed by the director of planning and they're going to be more focused on planning

[4:42:08] Voice 8: um thank you for coming today that we're no cp it's changed and then leb has changed there's

[4:42:15] Voice 8: sort of a logical progression of pieces of work so i don't know if are you saying we should add

[4:42:21] Trustee Patrick: things well just i

[4:42:22] Trustee Patrick: think we've been i've been having conversations with staff about

[4:42:26] Trustee Patrick: how can we have a you know there's more that needs to be done than what's on this list

[4:42:30] Trustee Patrick: yeah um you know to bring things up to date legislative there's all you know staff have

[4:42:36] Trustee Patrick: their own lists of things that they've got like gosh if we could ever fix that we would

[4:42:40] Trustee Patrick: so trustees don't have that compilation of of things that could be done in your

[4:42:48] Trustee Patrick: land use bylaws or your official community planner so we're only we're looking at such

[4:42:53] Trustee Patrick: a little snapshot we're making decisions and using resources without the knowledge of this

[4:42:58] Trustee Patrick: bigger list of things um that could be done so that that's all we've been arguing with arguing

[4:43:04] Trustee Patrick: yeah trying to turn the list into something far more productive yeah rather

[4:43:09] Trustee Patrick: than a parking lot

[4:43:11] Voice 3: How's your DAI bylaw?

[4:43:13] Voice 7: Is it correct?

[4:43:15] Voice 7: Ish, yes.

[4:43:16] Voice 3: Was it based on something that Robert Pajima did for North Pender?

[4:43:20] Voice 3: I thought that

[4:43:21] Trustee Patrick: was a good model.

[4:43:23] Trustee Patrick: Ours is relatively new.

[4:43:27] Trustee Patrick: But that's examples of the type of things that you want to capture.

[4:43:31] Trustee Patrick: Anyway, I'm keeping tuned to that because I'd like to see the list be truly helpful.

[4:43:38] Trustee Patrick: Yeah. We make good decisions when we have good material in front of us. Okay. So, um, then that moves us on to, uh, we, we dealt with the, um, special meeting for March 5th. Now we didn't say a date, but that is this thing.

[4:43:56] Trustee Patrick: we didn't

[4:43:57] Voice 7: say much oh yeah this

[4:43:59] Trustee Patrick: motion is what we've already taken care of it is okay

[4:44:04] Trustee Patrick: um and our next regular meeting is going to be april 23rd

[4:44:11] Trustee Patrick: um back

[4:44:12] Voice 7: at the hearts of saying

[4:44:13] Trustee Patrick: um anyone listening to us we're going to be going into a

[4:44:16] Trustee Patrick: closed meeting um i'm uh we may rise and record it necessary afterwards but um

[4:44:24] Trustee Patrick: otherwise right thank you the next meeting is back at the Gabriel of Gabriel

[4:44:33] Trustee Patrick: on Arts and Inheritance Center so that I need the motion to go into close

[4:44:38] Trustee Patrick: meeting all right I

[4:44:43] Voice 8: move that the Gabriel oh sorry that the meeting be closed to

[4:44:46] Voice 8: the public and informs the community charter part 4 division 3 section 91a

[4:44:50] Voice 8: for the purpose of considering a personal information about an

[4:44:53] Voice 8: identifiable individual who holds or is being considered for a position as an officer employee

[4:44:58] Voice 8: or agent to the municipality or another position appointed by the municipality and then the recorder

[4:45:03] Voice 8: and staff attend the meeting. Second

[4:45:06] Trustee Patrick: by trustee Yates so I'll follow up all those in favor

[4:45:09] Trustee Patrick: Have you ever done that, Carys?

[4:45:12] Trustee Patrick: I didn't stop for a few moments.

[4:45:14] Voice 8: Thank you so much.