Islands Trust Conservancy Board regular meeting, March 17, 2026

[0:00:00] Trustee Gauvreau: to order. Today is Tuesday, March 17, 2026, and this is the

[0:00:04] Trustee Gauvreau: Analyst Trust Conservancy Board regular meeting agenda. All

[0:00:11] Trustee Gauvreau: right, I'd like to start with acknowledging land

[0:00:13] Trustee Gauvreau: acknowledgement. I wish to begin by acknowledging that we are

[0:00:17] Trustee Gauvreau: meeting on the ancestral unceded territories of Coast Salish

[0:00:20] Trustee Gauvreau: peoples who have cared for these lands and waters since time in

[0:00:24] Trustee Gauvreau: memorial. As the Analyst Trust Conservancy, we recognize that

[0:00:28] Trustee Gauvreau: that we are part of these ecosystems,

[0:00:30] Trustee Gauvreau: that lands, waters, cultures, relationships

[0:00:33] Trustee Gauvreau: that define this place are deeply interconnected.

[0:00:37] Trustee Gauvreau: In 2019, this board adopted a reconciliation declaration,

[0:00:43] Trustee Gauvreau: committing to build respectful relationships

[0:00:45] Trustee Gauvreau: with Coast Salish people,

[0:00:47] Trustee Gauvreau: and to support knowledge sharing

[0:00:48] Trustee Gauvreau: and to ensure that our work reflects these commitments.

[0:00:53] Trustee Gauvreau: Today, I want to acknowledge

[0:00:55] Trustee Gauvreau: that this commitment is ongoing.

[0:00:56] Trustee Gauvreau: going it is not a one-time statement and it's the responsibility that continues to guide our

[0:01:03] Trustee Gauvreau: decisions and our policies and our work on the land and as we move through today's meeting i

[0:01:09] Trustee Gauvreau: invite us to reflect on how we can continue to honor that commitment in a meaningful and practical

[0:01:15] Trustee Gauvreau: way thank you my name is lisa gobera and i am chair of the office of constituency and i live

[0:01:23] Trustee Gauvreau: and work on galliano island uh core territory of the penelope tribe um we'll do some introductions

[0:01:29] Trustee Gauvreau: first and i hand it off to our vice chair thank you

[0:01:32] Voice 13: chair gabriel for that wonderful opening i

[0:01:34] Voice 13: really appreciate it it's very thoughtful as well um good morning everyone my name is tanner timothy

[0:01:39] Voice 13: i'm from flamen first nation on the upper sunshine coast just outside the islands trust area

[0:01:45] Voice 13: but i currently reside in north burnaby on the unseated territories of suela tooth first nation

[0:01:49] Voice 13: very happy to be here today and I'll pass it over to Susan.

[0:01:53] Voice 8: Thank you and thank you for that

[0:01:55] Voice 8: beautiful acknowledgement Chair Govro. I really appreciate that. So

[0:02:00] Voice 8: I'm coming to you today from

[0:02:02] Voice 8: Snenemach territory. I'm elected for the Gabriola local trust area which also includes

[0:02:08] Voice 8: De Courcy and Mudge Islands.

[0:02:13] Voice 9: I'm Janine Georgeson. I am joining you. I'm not joining you. I live on

[0:02:20] Voice 9: Galliano Island, which is on the south end and overlooking the language border of the Halkomunim

[0:02:28] Voice 9: and Tsinjafan language-speaking peoples of Visaynich and Cowichan.

[0:02:35] Voice 3: Good morning, everyone.

[0:02:37] Voice 3: I'm Toby Elliott, elected on Gibraltar Island, as Trustee Yates just said, in Stanimuk First Nation

[0:02:43] Voice 3: territory and um yes I'm here as a liaison with executive committee and I'm very sad that this

[0:02:52] Voice 3: is our last in-person board meeting but it's really good to see you all and be in person and

[0:02:58] Voice 3: just feel the good energy and the collective strength of this board I really appreciate

[0:03:04] Voice 3: everyone here so thank you

[0:03:06] Trustee Gauvreau: and we have uh Risa Smith joining us through zoom

[0:03:10] Trustee Gauvreau: I

[0:03:12] Voice 15: am Risa Smith. I'm joining from the north end of Galileano Island. And this is mostly

[0:03:19] Voice 15: Penelope territory, but many other overlapping territories of Coast Salish peoples. Thanks.

[0:03:30] Voice 15: And I'm quite sick, so I'm not sure how much I'll actually be speaking today.

[0:03:35] Trustee Gauvreau: Thank you. Yeah. Thank you very much for joining. And then I'm going to turn over to

[0:03:39] Trustee Gauvreau: to our manager, Wendy Tyrrell,

[0:03:42] Trustee Gauvreau: who introduced herself and her staff.

[0:03:44] Voice 4: Hi, my name is Wendy Tyrrell.

[0:03:47] Voice 4: I don't think I'm on camera and I apologize for that.

[0:03:50] Voice 4: I'm the manager of the Alliance Trust Conservancy

[0:03:52] Voice 4: and I'm coming to this meeting

[0:03:57] Voice 4: along with everyone here in person

[0:03:59] Voice 4: from the lands of the Coast Salish peoples,

[0:04:03] Voice 4: specifically the Lekwungen speaking language peoples.

[0:04:08] Voice 4: I am very excited to be here and having an in-person meeting, and it is tough to think of it as being one of the last in-person for some of our board members, perhaps, but there is a new year, new election coming, and hopefully we'll have some returning folks to these seats.

[0:04:29] Voice 4: And I would like to introduce Gemma Green.

[0:04:32] Voice 4: Hi,

[0:04:33] Voice 14: everyone. It's good to see you all in person.

[0:04:35] Voice 14: I'm the new team lead for protected area management here and yeah very excited to be here

[0:04:43] Voice 14: well presenting some fairly dull subjects today yeah and

[0:04:51] Voice 17: over to Jill. Hi I'm Jill Merrick I guess

[0:04:55] Voice 17: I get to ditto what Wendy and Gemma have said it's really a pleasure to see you in person and to have

[0:05:02] Voice 17: the Human Interaction. I'm joining from Coast Salish Territory and it's a privilege to

[0:05:10] Voice 17: participate today. Thank you.

[0:05:13] Trustee Gauvreau: Thank you. And online we have Joe Elliott, Senior Indigenous Relations

[0:05:18] Trustee Gauvreau: Advisor.

[0:05:21] Voice 2: Yeah, it's well. My originates from the Namook. I lived in the Namook for many years,

[0:05:29] Voice 2: and just past six years I'm fortunate to be back in a traditional territory of Cowichan.

[0:05:34] Voice 2: I'm a Couch and Tribes member and currently I'm the Indigenous Advisor for Islands Trust.

[0:05:39] Voice 2: So looking forward to continuing and much appreciation for all the work of the boards

[0:05:43] Voice 2: that put in over the year and appreciate for opportunity to sit in these meetings and continue

[0:05:50] Voice 2: learning on the important lands that we're working on to preserve and protect.

[0:05:55] Voice 2: So hi to you all for all the good work that you all have done, I appreciate it.

[0:05:58] Voice 2: Thank you.

[0:06:00] Trustee Gauvreau: Thank you for that.

[0:06:02] Trustee Gauvreau: and then for administrative support today

[0:06:04] Voice 4: yes good

[0:06:05] Trustee Gauvreau: morning

[0:06:08] Voice 1: all thank you i'm rob croker planning

[0:06:11] Voice 1: services admin assistant at islands trust i'm humbled and grateful to be supporting you from

[0:06:16] Voice 1: the lands of the lakwungen speaking peoples today and very pleased to be able to support

[0:06:20] Voice 1: the great work of the islands trust conservancy board thank

[0:06:24] Trustee Gauvreau: you very much is there anyone else

[0:06:27] Trustee Gauvreau: on that? We're there. Let's get into the meeting. Let's have a great meeting. Next item is the

[0:06:36] Trustee Gauvreau: approval of the agenda. And

[0:06:39] Trustee Gauvreau: I have a new business item already. Trustee Elliott has brought something.

[0:06:46] Trustee Gauvreau: It was a discussion item. Acknowledging and mapping the Island Trust Conservancy as a growth

[0:06:52] Trustee Gauvreau: model. That should be a really interesting discussion. We'll add that to new business.

[0:06:58] Trustee Gauvreau: this so that would be item 9.1 is there anything you wanted to know

[0:07:02] Voice 3: i apologize i didn't send

[0:07:04] Voice 3: anyone any um materials there really isn't any it's just sort of a heads up and and um sort of

[0:07:12] Voice 3: foregrounding i think what is a longer discussion over time about sort of a conservancy strategy

[0:07:18] Voice 3: uh it's just love it great

[0:07:21] Trustee Gauvreau: thank you uh are there any other additions to the agenda

[0:07:24] Trustee Gauvreau: there my

[0:07:26] Voice 15: hand is up please uh lisa

[0:07:29] Trustee Gauvreau: go ahead yeah

[0:07:31] Voice 15: um i just wanted to have a brief discussion

[0:07:33] Voice 15: david dennison who's uh previously written about um the uh coastal douglas for biogeochematic zone

[0:07:42] Voice 15: and about the uniqueness or non-uniqueness of the uh trust area and he's written another letter

[0:07:49] Voice 15: to um post it on salt spring exchange and i just number of people have emailed me saying we should

[0:07:55] Voice 15: respond to it i actually don't think we should but i think maybe we could have a brief discussion

[0:08:00] Voice 15: about it um at this meeting as i

[0:08:03] Trustee Gauvreau: i did reach out to mr denison to let him know that um the trustee

[0:08:09] Trustee Gauvreau: in question and he sort of he sort of drew the itc into his letter a little bit just to let him

[0:08:15] Trustee Gauvreau: know the current board made up uh he will be posting as a protraction so let people know

[0:08:22] Trustee Gauvreau: he missed the uh the date but the letter went into exchange and he couldn't make any changes

[0:08:28] Trustee Gauvreau: but he'll post something later saying that he made an error yeah

[0:08:32] Voice 15: but that's not what i want

[0:08:32] Voice 15: to talk about is about the content of his letter okay yeah

[0:08:36] Trustee Gauvreau: any business

[0:08:40] Trustee Gauvreau: So I'll have that be a new business item, and it'll be 9.3.

[0:08:45] Trustee Gauvreau: Thank you.

[0:08:46] Trustee Gauvreau: Excellent.

[0:08:50] Trustee Gauvreau: Thank you.

[0:08:51] Trustee Gauvreau: Then with any more additions to the agenda?

[0:08:54] Trustee Gauvreau: Then I suggest we approve the agenda as amended by general consent.

[0:09:00] Trustee Gauvreau: Excellent.

[0:09:01] Trustee Gauvreau: And then moving on to item number four, it's a rise in report.

[0:09:05] Trustee Gauvreau: And I'll read that now.

[0:09:06] Trustee Gauvreau: Now, the report for the Island Trust Conservancy Board reported as January 10th, 2026 in camera meeting that it has approved spending of up to $5,000 from the land securement budget to support potential nature reserve securement on the Laskete Island local trust area.

[0:09:31] Voice 16: Moving

[0:09:32] Trustee Gauvreau: on to item number five, which is the adoption of the minutes.

[0:09:35] Trustee Gauvreau: We're looking at the minutes from January 20th.

[0:09:37] Trustee Gauvreau: 20 million looking for accuracy are there any comments from the board

[0:09:43] Trustee Gauvreau: i have

[0:09:45] Voice 15: one comment sorry thank

[0:09:46] Trustee Gauvreau: you you got yes trustee smith go ahead

[0:09:48] Voice 15: yes um in these minutes

[0:09:50] Voice 15: and it's just been sort of like a new practice to identify uh who's at the meeting as elected

[0:09:58] Voice 15: or um appointed board members and i don't know where this practice has come from but i think

[0:10:05] Voice 15: it's wrong because um the appointed board the appointed board members are of the same status

[0:10:13] Voice 15: as the elected um board members on the islands trust conservancy board and i don't know why this

[0:10:20] Voice 15: new it didn't used to be that way but this seems to be a new practice of identifying who's appointed

[0:10:26] Voice 15: and who's elected as if they are of some different status so i would like that to be changed and

[0:10:32] Voice 15: And you should just identify board members that are there,

[0:10:36] Voice 15: whether they're appointed or elected.

[0:10:39] Voice 4: Can you see those on the screen there?

[0:10:42] Voice 4: Is that what we're looking at here?

[0:10:44] Voice 15: Yes.

[0:10:44] Voice 15: So you've said board members present,

[0:10:47] Voice 15: and you've identified people, you know, Tanner Timothy appointed,

[0:10:51] Voice 15: Toby Elligott elected.

[0:10:52] Voice 15: This is like a new practice.

[0:10:54] Voice 15: You've always just said board member.

[0:10:57] Voice 15: And I don't know where this new practice came from,

[0:11:01] Voice 15: but I think it's wrong.

[0:11:02] Voice 15: And so I'm raising it. I'd like it to change back to what it was before or explain to me why this is a new policy.

[0:11:10] Trustee Gauvreau: Yeah, I'm not sure. I did see that too. It didn't really trigger anything to me because I thought it meant a government appointee member.

[0:11:19] Voice 15: It does. But the government appointees are not any different in status on this board than the people who are elected.

[0:11:27] Voice 15: and so i

[0:11:28] Voice 15: don't i don't know what what what has triggered this new way of recording who's press

[0:11:36] Trustee Gauvreau: i'm going to director cheryl manager

[0:11:38] Voice 4: absolutely um this is um something i've adopted as i've

[0:11:43] Voice 4: come in as manager um i don't know how recent it has moved to this i'm happy to do whatever

[0:11:50] Voice 4: pleases the board we can just have trustee or just have names i think it does distinguish

[0:11:56] Voice 4: whether it's an elected trustee or a provincially appointed but if that's not important or preferred

[0:12:02] Voice 4: then happy to do whatever works best yeah

[0:12:06] Trustee Gauvreau: uh trustee jerks said i

[0:12:08] Voice 9: feel like

[0:12:10] Voice 9: this is just my

[0:12:11] Voice 9: own thoughts on it that having listed as appointed or elected trustee shows that we are like us as

[0:12:20] Voice 9: appointed we are not in the same like we're all doing the same work but we're not of the same

[0:12:27] Voice 9: purview as the elected trustees we have we're coming in from a different approach that's what

[0:12:33] Voice 9: I feel like

[0:12:34] Voice 9: so I think it shows diversity in our collective group of trustees yeah I'm not

[0:12:40] Trustee Gauvreau: recalling what we had previous to these minutes yeah I'm not either well this

[0:12:45] Voice 15: is new we've never

[0:12:46] Voice 15: ever done that before. And when I first came into the board, it was made very clear to me

[0:12:54] Voice 15: that everybody on the board is equal, whether you're appointed or elected from an island.

[0:12:59] Voice 15: And so this is distinguishing that. And I think it's wrong, actually, and it's not the intention

[0:13:05] Voice 15: of the Trust Conservancy Board or the Act why we have appointed people. They're not different.

[0:13:14] Voice 15: they don't have different status they don't have different decision making abilities so

[0:13:20] Voice 15: personally speaking i find it remarkably offensive and wrong so i'm just saying that it's new it's

[0:13:29] Voice 15: new it's never been like this before

[0:13:31] Trustee Gauvreau: which so we can revert back to how we were doing it before

[0:13:34] Trustee Gauvreau: would that be agreeable to the board

[0:13:36] Voice 13: yeah yeah yes that'd

[0:13:38] Trustee Gauvreau: be okay that'd be easy enough to do

[0:13:40] Trustee Gauvreau: fantastic then we'll make that correct okay

[0:13:42] Voice 4: thank you apologies to the board no offense meant

[0:13:51] Voice 8: chair gobro yes i just want to speak to that briefly i actually thought it was kind of an

[0:13:56] Voice 8: honor to be appointed by the province and i

[0:14:00] Voice 8: don't mean that the work is different at all because we

[0:14:02] Voice 8: obviously work at the same table um but i actually thought it would it was a good thing to have this

[0:14:08] Voice 8: in there so that people could see oh some of them are elected from the trust body and some of them

[0:14:14] Voice 8: have been appointed by the province to support this work and i think that's kind of an honor but

[0:14:20] Voice 8: that's just my opinion yeah i'm

[0:14:23] Voice 8: happy to revert back if that's we'll revert back i think that's

[0:14:26] Trustee Gauvreau: the cleanest okay excellent thank you very much for bringing that up um so that's the minutes for

[0:14:33] Trustee Gauvreau: January 20th are there any more any more amendments to them or changes typos not seeing any then

[0:14:43] Trustee Gauvreau: I suggest we show about these minutes by general consent as amended and moving on to um minutes

[0:14:53] Trustee Gauvreau: from the January 30th meeting or were there any amendments to that I had one which is

[0:15:03] Trustee Gauvreau: super minor it was a formatting page uh sorry let me check let's see it's not page can we bring it

[0:15:14] Trustee Gauvreau: up on the screen

[0:15:14] Voice 4: is it it is on screen that is

[0:15:18] Trustee Gauvreau: it you don't have it here format issue

[0:15:21] Trustee Gauvreau: uh page 14 of

[0:15:22] Trustee Gauvreau: the agenda thank you right so see where it says columbia uh-huh it's just a justification it

[0:15:29] Trustee Gauvreau: doesn't mean yeah i'm fine with it but it's not like it's not the um the the formatting and

[0:15:36] Trustee Gauvreau: Yeah, I can

[0:15:38] Trustee Gauvreau: see in each of those it's out of place. Yep.

[0:15:41] Trustee Gauvreau: Yeah, that's easy enough to fix. That's a formatting issue. It's not really

[0:15:45] Trustee Gauvreau: an amendment. Trustee Smith?

[0:15:49] Voice 15: Oh, I'm sorry. That's just from before. Sorry.

[0:15:53] Voice 13: And then I guess we would also amend the

[0:15:57] Voice 13: list of board members present. Thank

[0:16:00] Voice 7: you for that.

[0:16:01] Voice 13: Noting them as trustees.

[0:16:02] Voice 13: trustees. Okay,

[0:16:04] Trustee Gauvreau: that's awesome. Any more comments from the board? We'll give staff a moment to write

[0:16:15] Trustee Gauvreau: those down. I do

[0:16:17] Voice 4: have one question, please, just to clarify on the names. Do we, do you want us to

[0:16:23] Voice 4: keep trustee in there or just leave it as names? I

[0:16:27] Trustee Gauvreau: think whatever we had for the meetings previous

[0:16:30] Trustee Gauvreau: for this. So we'd be looking at the December minutes?

[0:16:33] Voice 4: No, it would be last year before I came.

[0:16:35] Voice 4: so i can have a look yeah oh

[0:16:40] Voice 13: interesting my suggestion would be trustee okay

[0:16:44] Voice 11: um

[0:16:45] Voice 13: and i also

[0:16:47] Voice 13: just for comment just just for the record i i don't think there was any um uh ill intent with

[0:16:54] Voice 13: that i think it was just a differentiation but i do appreciate reese's comment of just having us

[0:16:59] Voice 13: all as trustees, right?

[0:17:01] Voice 13: All as trustees.

[0:17:02] Voice 13: Yeah.

[0:17:03] Voice 13: I can see both views,

[0:17:05] Voice 13: but I'm happy with that.

[0:17:07] Voice 13: We're making the change

[0:17:07] Voice 13: moving forward.

[0:17:08] Trustee Gauvreau: Excellent.

[0:17:11] Trustee Gauvreau: Seeing no more amendments

[0:17:12] Trustee Gauvreau: to that,

[0:17:13] Trustee Gauvreau: then we will end up

[0:17:14] Trustee Gauvreau: the January 30th minutes

[0:17:17] Trustee Gauvreau: as amended.

[0:17:20] Trustee Gauvreau: And then moving on,

[0:17:23] Trustee Gauvreau: follow-up action list.

[0:17:25] Trustee Gauvreau: We'll give staff a moment.

[0:17:27] Trustee Gauvreau: Wendy has triple duty

[0:17:28] Trustee Gauvreau: in the meeting.

[0:17:29] Trustee Gauvreau: We'll give her lots of time

[0:17:30] Trustee Gauvreau: to keep

[0:17:33] Voice 4: up. Okay, follow-up action items are presented on the board. I'm happy to answer

[0:17:38] Voice 4: any questions. Any questions from the board?

[0:17:44] Trustee Gauvreau: Trustee Smith? Oh, can't hear you.

[0:17:51] Voice 7: Oh, I still can't hear

[0:18:02] Voice 15: you. Okay, can you hear me now? Okay. Oh, darn it. That's okay.

[0:18:14] Voice 15: Okay. I like the way that you put the update at the end for each board meeting.

[0:18:22] Voice 15: I think that's really great.

[0:18:24] Voice 15: So I want to speak to this one.

[0:18:26] Voice 15: I guess it's number one.

[0:18:28] Voice 15: It's got to do with the whistleblower policy.

[0:18:35] Voice 15: Which page is that?

[0:18:37] Voice 15: Pardon me?

[0:18:38] Voice 15: Page 19.

[0:18:40] Voice 15: Page 19, yeah.

[0:18:41] Voice 15: Yeah, and you've recommended this to be a topic

[0:18:45] Voice 15: for the liaison meeting with the executive committee,

[0:18:49] Voice 15: but I think this is an important topic,

[0:18:52] Voice 15: and I just think that it's probably,

[0:18:55] Voice 15: just given the timing,

[0:18:56] Voice 15: going to have to wait for the new trust council.

[0:18:59] Voice 15: But if other people disagree,

[0:19:01] Voice 15: it's going to be hard to have this discussion

[0:19:03] Voice 15: and have any action on it with the election so close by.

[0:19:08] Voice 15: but um i i thought i'd flag that because uh you're looking for it to be on the july 2026

[0:19:16] Voice 15: liaison meeting so i might misunderstand how much this is advanced i thought it hadn't advanced

[0:19:23] Voice 15: very much but um anyways i thought i'd raise that and then should i just raise other issues i have

[0:19:30] Voice 15: um yep

[0:19:31] Trustee Gauvreau: yes please go ahead and

[0:19:32] Voice 15: then the second one relates to the um artificial intelligence

[0:19:37] Voice 15: intelligence and i know this was raised at not the trust council that just happened but the one

[0:19:42] Voice 15: before by one of the trustees and um i'm a bit concerned that um um like it says the corporate

[0:19:53] Voice 15: ai policy is not funded um it's not a funded project for next fiscal year and i don't know

[0:20:01] Voice 15: from this to what extent the ITC staff are already using AI and so I'm very concerned

[0:20:08] Voice 15: about that that we might already be using AI without a policy and that we haven't really

[0:20:16] Voice 15: we don't have an idea as the board I'm really sort of up on this on the pros and cons of AI

[0:20:21] Voice 15: and how without a policy it can really lead us astray if we're using it because we think it's

[0:20:28] Voice 15: more efficient, but perhaps not accurate. So I don't know how to address that, but I want to say

[0:20:35] Voice 15: that we shouldn't, it's not a project. So because the policy is not a project,

[0:20:40] Voice 15: does that mean that we're not using AI or are we using AI?

[0:20:46] Voice 4: Thank you, Trustee Smith. What I can say is this update is directly from David Marler,

[0:20:56] Voice 4: our director of legislative services um if the board would like to direct uh iris trust

[0:21:02] Voice 4: conservancy staff uh perhaps with a resolution that is a more direct question that we can answer

[0:21:09] Voice 4: to we can bring that to the next meeting excellent okay uh

[0:21:15] Trustee Gauvreau: so we have a more direct

[0:21:16] Trustee Gauvreau: question for staff in that um so

[0:21:23] Voice 15: the oh toby sorry yeah yeah

[0:21:25] Voice 3: so my uh i was

[0:21:29] Voice 3: one of the trustees who brought this concern to council and so there are two issues that the

[0:21:36] Voice 3: conservancy board might want to ask staff to address is um the ecological impacts of um the

[0:21:46] Voice 3: use of ai and whether it's sort of an ethical uh position that the board wants to take and the um

[0:21:54] Voice 3: um I mean the corporate policy so in in regards to the corporate policy my understanding from

[0:22:03] Voice 3: that council trust council meeting was that we have a new manager of information services who

[0:22:11] Voice 3: is going to be tracking and developing sort of internal policy for this my impression was it's

[0:22:17] Voice 3: It's not going to be abandoned as it's just not considered new work.

[0:22:22] Voice 3: But of course, the island has to keep abreast of the changes that are happening and that's sort of within the purview of the IS department because it has to do with information management.

[0:22:37] Voice 3: management but if our concern is about ecological impacts or so the more ethical

[0:22:48] Voice 3: impacts of staff using it i think that's i think reese is right we would have to

[0:22:57] Voice 3: ask you know what kind of work or monitoring is being done and if we want anything different

[0:23:02] Voice 3: so but i feel like it's a larger discussion than a fuel

[0:23:07] Trustee Gauvreau: item yeah it feels like a larger discussion

[0:23:09] Trustee Gauvreau: but also larger implications as this affects the entire ios trust as an organization as well so

[0:23:15] Trustee Gauvreau: there would definitely be synergies and within all those policies

[0:23:18] Voice 7: yeah

[0:23:19] Voice 8: um well i'm i'm concerned

[0:23:23] Voice 8: that we don't have funding for the next uh budget year to explore this and i think our first

[0:23:30] Voice 8: question if I get trustee Smith's inquiry we don't actually know how much

[0:23:39] Voice 8: we're using AI and I think we should know that and this so just a direct

[0:23:45] Voice 8: question to find out are we using AI and where and how

[0:23:51] Voice 7: oh I

[0:23:53] Voice 3: have an idea I don't

[0:23:56] Voice 3: know pieces got her hand up so they but the ceo conducts the staff survey and is doing all of

[0:24:04] Voice 3: that work of collecting information could we ask that um consideration be given for asking staff

[0:24:11] Voice 3: of their current use of ai and how they're using those tools i don't know yeah

[0:24:17] Voice 3: would that be

[0:24:17] Voice 3: something from the EC it's operational so it could be fine yeah yeah thank you

[0:24:35] Voice 13: I just want to appreciate trustee Reed Smith for for raising this topic an

[0:24:43] Voice 13: issue and I think it'd be helpful for us to to understand how it is being used I

[0:24:48] Voice 13: I think, like Trustee Elliott mentioned, there's a lot of like ecological concerns and environmental concerns about using AI and their data centers and all this kind of stuff, which is a very large concern of mine.

[0:25:00] Voice 13: My other concern is just how that information is used and stored as well.

[0:25:05] Voice 13: AI is a very powerful tool, but it's only really powerful when it's in an extremely controlled environment.

[0:25:11] Voice 13: And if there's policies around it and all these kind of like superstructures kind of protecting it and guarding it.

[0:25:17] Voice 13: But when it comes to using AI, ChatGPT or whatever it's called, other open source AI tools, when you upload information to it, it becomes publicly owned.

[0:25:30] Voice 13: It actually is owned by that entity.

[0:25:32] Voice 13: So if we have staff or board members uploading Islands Trust information or Islands Trust Conservancy work or project work to inform or synthesize things, that information is no longer owned or protected.

[0:25:48] Voice 13: So there's a lot of information security considerations as well.

[0:25:53] Voice 13: And the other piece is I don't personally trust AI.

[0:25:57] Voice 13: I don't like using it.

[0:25:58] Voice 13: I think it's helpful for, you know, certain uses if it's used internally, but I'm very skeptical of it in terms of just how it's kind of an endless power that can be used in many different means.

[0:26:16] Voice 13: But most important thing is just the ethical use of data centers, their impact on the environment, their use of water, all these.

[0:26:24] Voice 13: There's not many in British Columbia, but there is some being considered in Nanaimo and other areas.

[0:26:29] Voice 13: but back to trustee smith's point it would be good for us to know how ai is using being used

[0:26:34] Voice 13: currently and that survey would be a great place to identify that and also making it so

[0:26:41] Voice 13: staff don't feel nervous or afraid that if they're using it which is okay like i don't want people to

[0:26:47] Voice 13: be afraid to say that they have been using it or not i think it's better we just get an

[0:26:51] Voice 13: understanding of how people are how when if and when and then making maybe a short-term policy

[0:26:57] Voice 13: moving forward yeah let's pause using ai until we have a clear understanding of that yeah manager

[0:27:04] Trustee Gauvreau: drill you need a motion for that right i do see that here it is um yeah uh scheduled for the may

[0:27:11] Trustee Gauvreau: 2026 board meeting right and then into management policy i'm just um my thoughts are that maybe

[0:27:19] Trustee Gauvreau: director marler could join us on that would that be to just to answer any of these questions

[0:27:25] Trustee Gauvreau: especially around the legislation around it um suggestion yeah so

[0:27:30] Voice 4: we could move the motion to

[0:27:32] Voice 4: the may meeting yeah have uh director marler present present that to you like the nation

[0:27:39] Voice 15: excuse me my hand is up go ahead

[0:27:43] Voice 15: yes i just think what we want is something very simple

[0:27:47] Voice 15: we want to uh we want to know to what extent itc staff we're only interested in that are using ai

[0:27:55] Voice 15: and what safeguards are being implemented in their use of AI.

[0:28:00] Voice 15: If we get that information through the CAO survey,

[0:28:06] Voice 15: I don't care how we get it,

[0:28:07] Voice 15: and maybe that's the most efficient way as Trustee Elliott has recommended,

[0:28:11] Voice 15: but our question is simple.

[0:28:14] Voice 15: It's our ITC staff using AI and what safeguards are being implemented.

[0:28:22] Voice 15: So it's a simple question.

[0:28:24] Voice 15: we want that information how we get it there could be many different ways and that survey

[0:28:29] Voice 15: sounds like a good way but we can't tell staff how to get the information i

[0:28:33] Trustee Gauvreau: agree yeah i thought

[0:28:34] Trustee Gauvreau: we're looking for a motion we want to have that the focus of the meeting or do you want to have

[0:28:37] Trustee Gauvreau: just more general conversation about a dedicated session on ai well well i

[0:28:44] Voice 15: i i want to i want to

[0:28:45] Voice 15: have that information as a basis so just bringing david marler there to talk about policy uh it'd

[0:28:51] Voice 15: be good an interesting discussion but it still won't answer our question to what extent are we

[0:28:56] Voice 15: already using it and what safeguards do we have in the absence of a policy all right

[0:29:03] Voice 8: then we'll

[0:29:03] Voice 8: set a motion then uh does he well i have a proposed motion um see what you think i move

[0:29:10] Voice 8: that the islands trust conservancy board request executive committee to advise trustees on council

[0:29:21] Voice 8: so and on the ITC board, regarding current use of AI by Islands Trust and Islands Trust Conservancy staff.

[0:29:34] Voice 8: How

[0:29:42] Trustee Gauvreau: are we feeling around that? I looked at you just earlier.

[0:29:46] Voice 3: A couple of thoughts. I could simply bring a motion for consideration at executive committee

[0:29:53] Voice 3: that staff be requested to investigate to what extent generative AI tools are being used by

[0:30:00] Voice 3: staff generally but I think Reese is right that our if the question is about ITC staff we can

[0:30:08] Voice 3: simply ask for that at the table and let manager Terrell do that I'd be happy to bring a motion

[0:30:14] Voice 3: to the

[0:30:15] Voice 3: executive committee board about the rest of the council yeah sure right then we will

[0:30:19] Voice 3: wordsmith this motion a little bit so um

[0:30:22] Voice 3: two separate motions Toby one I think I would bring

[0:30:26] Voice 3: a motion to executive committee at an upcoming meeting about the rest of council i think we just

[0:30:31] Voice 3: need to concern ourselves about itc stuff yes uh

[0:30:37] Trustee Gauvreau: trustee smith did you have a suggestion

[0:30:40] Trustee Gauvreau: yeah

[0:30:41] Voice 15: i just think it's simple that the island trust conservancy board requests staff to report

[0:30:47] Voice 15: on their use of artificial intelligence and their current use of artificial intelligence

[0:30:54] Voice 15: intelligence, and safeguards being implemented.

[0:31:02] Trustee Gauvreau: Let's see.

[0:31:03] Trustee Gauvreau: I looked to staff to see if that was enough information there.

[0:31:06] Trustee Gauvreau: Well, sorry, we'll wait for it.

[0:31:09] Trustee Gauvreau: Wait for the motion to be finished.

[0:31:27] Trustee Gauvreau: Fantastic.

[0:31:27] Trustee Gauvreau: But then we'll trim off the last part of that paragraph there.

[0:31:32] Trustee Gauvreau: How does that read for staff?

[0:31:34] Trustee Gauvreau: Is that enough direction?

[0:31:35] Trustee Gauvreau: And doable.

[0:31:40] Trustee Gauvreau: All right.

[0:31:41] Trustee Gauvreau: Then I'm looking for a mover.

[0:31:44] Voice 7: so

[0:31:44] Trustee Gauvreau: moved by trustee yates and a seconder um vice chair namcom seconds and pieces i think

[0:31:52] Trustee Gauvreau: i was recently sorry all right yeah second by uh trustee smith and i shall call the vote

[0:31:59] Trustee Gauvreau: all in favor and that motion carries thank you

[0:32:05] Trustee Gauvreau: so

[0:32:06] Voice 8: just a quick question uh chair govro do we

[0:32:08] Voice 8: need a motion for trustee elliot to bring this to ec or is that just i

[0:32:13] Trustee Gauvreau: think by trustees i've

[0:32:14] Voice 8: already written here yeah yeah

[0:32:16] Trustee Gauvreau: that's that's uh you see yeah um i'll get it on part of our

[0:32:20] Voice 4: coordination

[0:32:20] Trustee Gauvreau: march 25th that's

[0:32:22] Voice 3: what i'm here

[0:32:22] Trustee Gauvreau: for thank you and thank you for raising that

[0:32:27] Trustee Gauvreau: i have another question jesse smith i can't hear you sorry

[0:32:36] Voice 15: i have one more question about this um

[0:32:38] Voice 15: great follow-up action report um and it's on page 22 and it's it says number three

[0:32:47] Voice 15: staff invest one million dollars at the opportunity fund highly fund and i do have a question about

[0:32:53] Voice 15: that um uh because i there's no indication we used to use frank arnold as our investment advisor i

[0:33:03] Voice 15: think we don't anymore we're now using this municipal uh advisor that we we've signed on to

[0:33:09] Voice 15: and i want to know if that high yield fund has any um ethical constraints on it related to

[0:33:17] Voice 15: particularly to our interest in the environment like do they uh are they sure to not invest in

[0:33:23] Voice 15: things that would be destructive of ecosystems for just as an example

[0:33:29] Voice 4: stop a comment thank you i think you yes um the million the donation has actually not quite been

[0:33:38] Voice 4: been placed in the fund yet just fyi it's in process right now i should have updated this um

[0:33:44] Voice 4: the fund that is being placed in is a fff fossil free fossil fuel free fund it is also and i

[0:33:55] Voice 4: apologize because i'm going from memory here esa environmentally sensitive

[0:34:02] Voice 4: i apologize i can send the

[0:34:04] Voice 4: board information on the fund if that is preferred

[0:34:09] Voice 4: that sounds good to me we can look it up in the meanwhile we can look it up yeah

[0:34:13] Voice 4: bring that up to your question yes trustee smith it is being invested in um

[0:34:21] Voice 4: uh environmentally sensitive fossil fuel free and as green as we could find

[0:34:30] Voice 15: okay thanks for that so then is it still a high yield fund yes

[0:34:34] Voice 4: it is that's the high yield yes

[0:34:36] Voice 4: yes actually very comparable okay

[0:34:39] Voice 15: okay thanks that's all they went to thanks a lot

[0:34:41] Voice 4: thank you

[0:34:43] Voice 8: trustee um i just wanted to thank uh trustee smith for bringing that up because it's really

[0:34:48] Voice 8: important that we do invest our funds in um things that align with our values so i really appreciate

[0:34:55] Voice 8: that so

[0:34:57] Voice 5: we'll be bringing you policy in the future around fund investment and fund use and in that

[0:35:01] Voice 5: that you'll have then an opportunity to embed those values and policy for future boards should

[0:35:08] Trustee Gauvreau: Alright, and moving on to the follow-up action list if there's no more comments or questions.

[0:35:14] Trustee Gauvreau: Yes, Claytrek.

[0:35:15] Voice 13: Thank you.

[0:35:16] Voice 13: Maybe we could give an opportunity to Director Frater to introduce herself and

[0:35:20] Voice 13: join us as

[0:35:21] Voice 13: well.

[0:35:21] Voice 3: Wonderful suggestion.

[0:35:22] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:35:24] Voice 5: Director Frater, if you'd like to introduce yourself, please.

[0:35:27] Voice 5: Oh, thank you.

[0:35:27] Voice 5: Yes.

[0:35:28] Voice 5: I'm Claire Frater, Director of Trust Area Services.

[0:35:30] Voice 5: Pleased to join you today from the territory of the Lippincott people.

[0:35:33] Voice 5: And apologies for being late.

[0:35:35] Voice 5: i had another meeting i had to wind up before i joined you all it's good to see

[0:35:38] Voice 11: you lovely to see

[0:35:39] Voice 5: everyone this morning thanks for joining

[0:35:40] Voice 11: us joining thank

[0:35:41] Voice 5: you for that yeah all

[0:35:43] Trustee Gauvreau: right so we will move

[0:35:44] Trustee Gauvreau: on to business item number seven uh trustee spence your hand is up anything okay i'll move on and we

[0:35:51] Trustee Gauvreau: item items for approval and we will start with 7.1.1 the allocation of 2025-26

[0:35:59] Trustee Gauvreau: six undesignated donations request for decisions and i turn it over to you thank you hi

[0:36:05] Voice 4: yes thank

[0:36:07] Voice 4: you sorry i'm the oz behind the screen i know um so this request for decision is coming to you

[0:36:13] Voice 4: um the recommendation is that the island's trust conservancy board request staff to allocate

[0:36:18] Voice 4: undesignated donations received in the 2025-26 fiscal year to the property management fund

[0:36:25] Voice 4: to support management of Island Trust Conservancy's protected areas.

[0:36:30] Voice 4: The purpose is to direct allocation of undesignated donations

[0:36:34] Voice 4: received in this current fiscal year to the fund

[0:36:37] Voice 4: in order to support stewardship and management

[0:36:40] Voice 4: of the Conservancy's protected areas.

[0:36:42] Voice 4: And currently, the total undirected donations received to date

[0:36:47] Voice 4: is actually now $34,000.

[0:36:50] Trustee Gauvreau: Nice. Excellent. Excellent.

[0:36:52] Trustee Gauvreau: Any questions from the board? Any comments?

[0:36:55] Trustee Gauvreau: trustee smith you're

[0:37:02] Voice 3: muted trustee smith oh yeah

[0:37:04] Voice 15: uh one small comment i think that

[0:37:06] Voice 15: in the purpose i think there's a typo there you mean total undirected donations received from

[0:37:12] Voice 15: april 1st 2025 to march 11th 2026 not april 1st 2026

[0:37:19] Voice 4: yes thank you that is correct 2025 april 1st

[0:37:25] Voice 15: actually i'm very supportive of this i just

[0:37:28] Voice 15: wanted to raise the typo things thank you thank

[0:37:31] Voice 15: you for pointing

[0:37:32] Trustee Gauvreau: that out uh any other questions

[0:37:33] Trustee Gauvreau: or comments from the staff or from the board perhaps we can move to a motion

[0:37:42] Trustee Gauvreau: thank you go ahead

[0:37:43] Trustee Gauvreau: i move

[0:37:44] Voice 3: that the islands trust conservancy board requests staff to allocate

[0:37:47] Voice 3: undesignated donations received in the 2025-26 fiscal year to the property management fund to

[0:37:54] Voice 3: support management of islands trust conservancy's protected areas thank you looking for a second or

[0:37:59] Trustee Gauvreau: Trustee Yates. Fantastic. I should follow the vote. All in favor. And that carries unanimously.

[0:38:08] Trustee Gauvreau: Thank you. And we shall move on. On to item 7.1.2, a referral request from Lestiti Island.

[0:38:19] Trustee Gauvreau: Can you measure, Cheryl? Oh, I'll be presenting. We

[0:38:23] Voice 14: have our team lead, Jenna Green.

[0:38:24] Voice 14: you should go from um so uh per policy 3.3.1 itc ltc coordination um the liskiti island local trust

[0:38:34] Voice 14: committee is referring proposed bylaw number 107 to the board um this bylaw would uh increase the

[0:38:42] Voice 14: minimum lot size um in subdivision district a which is much of the island from four hectares

[0:38:50] Voice 14: of 4.05 hectares and also increase the minimum lot area per dwelling by the same amount as well

[0:38:59] Voice 14: as the lot area per retail business in certain zoning. So all of ITC's nature reserves and our

[0:39:08] Voice 14: NAPTEP covenant fall within subdivision district A. However, there is a conservation covenant on

[0:39:16] Voice 14: on most of our nature reserves that prevent subdivision

[0:39:19] Voice 14: in the first place.

[0:39:20] Voice 14: So this change wouldn't really apply.

[0:39:24] Voice 14: There are two properties or protected areas,

[0:39:27] Voice 14: I should say, that do not have a conservation covenant

[0:39:30] Voice 14: that prevents subdivision.

[0:39:33] Voice 14: However, the change in minimum lot size for subdivision

[0:39:39] Voice 14: isn't significant enough to change the maximum number

[0:39:42] Voice 14: of lots that you could get within these protected areas so the recommendation is

[0:39:49] Voice 14: that the ITC or its interests are unaffected by the proposed bylaw 7 thank

[0:39:54] Voice 14: you very much is

[0:39:56] Trustee Gauvreau: the board clear on that

[0:39:57] Voice 1: this

[0:39:58] Trustee Gauvreau: is about turning the there's a like

[0:40:04] Trustee Gauvreau: a gap between hectares and acres this turns it to a nice round number and 10

[0:40:08] Trustee Gauvreau: acres as well and that does come and become important at some stages in some applications

[0:40:15] Trustee Gauvreau: we've seen it on galliano that little bit it's supposed to stay up but it's important when you're

[0:40:21] Trustee Gauvreau: trying to be particular um are there any questions or any comments from the board trustee elliott

[0:40:26] Trustee Gauvreau: yeah

[0:40:27] Voice 3: um i'm just wondering if if there has been a change in how the conservation covenants are

[0:40:34] Voice 3: are worded that we are not now prohibiting subdivision

[0:40:37] Voice 3: or are there specific ways to set those two or not?

[0:40:42] Voice 14: Yes.

[0:40:42] Voice 14: So with regards to the Livingstone Naptop Covenant,

[0:40:46] Voice 14: I think it was just a special request by the property owners.

[0:40:50] Voice 14: It's definitely not a move we're

[0:40:52] Voice 12: taking.

[0:40:54] Voice 14: It's still standard boilerplate covenant to not allow for subdivision.

[0:40:58] Voice 14: Okay.

[0:40:58] Trustee Gauvreau: That's great.

[0:40:58] Trustee Gauvreau: Thank you.

[0:40:59] Voice 14: Excellent.

[0:41:00] Trustee Gauvreau: Any further questions here?

[0:41:02] Voice 8: I'll make a motion.

[0:41:04] Voice 8: Thank you.

[0:41:04] Voice 8: Go ahead.

[0:41:05] Voice 8: I move that the Islands Trust Conservancy Board request staff

[0:41:08] Voice 8: to notify the Liskety Island Local Trust Committee

[0:41:11] Voice 8: that Islands Trust Conservancy's interests are unaffected

[0:41:15] Voice 8: by proposed bylaw number 107.

[0:41:18] Voice 11: And

[0:41:19] Voice 8: a seconder, please.

[0:41:21] Trustee Gauvreau: Trustee Elliott seconds.

[0:41:22] Trustee Gauvreau: I shall call the vote.

[0:41:22] Trustee Gauvreau: All in favor?

[0:41:26] Trustee Gauvreau: Do we lose Trustee Smith?

[0:41:30] Voice 7: We

[0:41:31] Trustee Gauvreau: have quorum on the vote, so I'll call the vote.

[0:41:33] Trustee Gauvreau: It's carried.

[0:41:34] Trustee Gauvreau: Maybe

[0:41:42] Voice 13: she had to step away as well.

[0:41:43] Voice 13: Well, she

[0:41:44] Voice 8: would have she always said all time stretch. Okay.

[0:41:48] Trustee Gauvreau: Could be the internet on Kelly.

[0:41:50] Trustee Gauvreau: Oh, well, she'll keep moving on. Keep an eye on the time here.

[0:41:59] Trustee Gauvreau: Moving on to item 7.1.3. Referral request for Dim and Island. Back

[0:42:06] Voice 14: over to you, Pili.

[0:42:07] Voice 14: This is from her. Thank you, Chair Goebel. So this item is coming to the ITC board late,

[0:42:13] Voice 14: Unfortunately, some staff-to-staff communication identified that the Violence Trust Conservancy Board was missed in the referral processes for proposed bylaws 256 and 257.

[0:42:28] Voice 14: So this is coming to us before it is.

[0:42:32] Voice 14: So it's already received third reading, and it's been sent for approval by the minister.

[0:42:38] Voice 14: So, this is just our last chance to basically endorse the application to rezone four parcels on Denman, which are owned by the Denman Conservancy Association.

[0:42:56] Voice 14: And two of those parcels are Islands Trust Conservancy Settlement Lands Covenant.

[0:43:02] Voice 14: And two of them are adjacent to Islands Trust Conservancy's Inner Island Nature Reserve.

[0:43:09] Voice 14: So, proposed bylaw 257 would rezone parcels from forestry to conservation, and proposed bylaw 256 would amend the official community plan to redesignate the parcels from sustainable resource to conservation recreation, aligning with the proposed conservation zoning under bylaw 257.

[0:43:31] Voice 14: So, this is really just bringing the bylaw and OCP designations into a consistent state

[0:43:41] Voice 14: with the purpose of the land, and the recommendation is that the proposed bylaws be endorsed by

[0:43:49] Voice 14: the board for this reason, especially because it adds a layer of protection to two of the

[0:43:56] Voice 14: parcels which aren't protected by a covenant, so it would further protect them from development.

[0:44:02] Voice 14: Excellent.

[0:44:02] Trustee Gauvreau: Thank you very much. Any questions for the board, what that all means?

[0:44:08] Voice 8: I'm happy to make that motion. Thank you very much. I move that the Islands Trust Conservancy

[0:44:14] Voice 8: Board request staff to notify the Island Planner for Denman Island that approval of Bylaws 256

[0:44:21] Voice 8: and 257 is endorsed by the ITC Board on the basis that the proposed bylaws bring the official

[0:44:29] Voice 8: community plan and zoning into alignment with the conservation purpose of the subject properties

[0:44:35] Voice 8: and adds another layer of protection from development, especially for PID 023005-424

[0:44:44] Voice 8: and PID 023005-432, which are not currently protected by a conservation covenant.

[0:44:52] Voice 8: Thank you. Looking for a

[0:44:54] Trustee Gauvreau: seconder. By Chernenko, seconds. And

[0:44:59] Trustee Gauvreau: I shall call the vote.

[0:45:00] Trustee Gauvreau: all in favor yay motion carried thank you very much and we shall move on to item 7.1.4

[0:45:11] Voice 4: i'd just like to announce that we have now have um staff uh lisa millard on board as our

[0:45:19] Voice 4: administrative minute taker today so thank her for going all the way to nanaimo to get onto a computer

[0:45:26] Voice 4: Wow. So we appreciate that. There she is. Lisa, would you like to say hello?

[0:45:31] Voice 11: Good morning,

[0:45:33] Voice 12: everyone. I hope the meeting is going well. And I thank Rob for stepping in for me.

[0:45:38] Voice 12: Thank you.

[0:45:39] Trustee Gauvreau: Thank you for your great likes to get here today. We appreciate it.

[0:45:43] Trustee Gauvreau: We want to

[0:45:44] Voice 8: know if the whole island

[0:45:44] Voice 4: is out. It is. Yes. Wow.

[0:45:48] Voice 4: Also, we do have a note from Trustee Smith that she had to leave for a moment and she was supportive of that motion.

[0:45:54] Voice 4: Excellent.

[0:45:55] Trustee Gauvreau: Excellent. That's great to hear. I like it when we're all consensus on our thinking here. It's good. It's good we get there. All right. So we're on to item 7.1.4, which is Salisbury Island, a map cap covenant proposal. And that's over to EPS Martel.

[0:46:15] Trustee Gauvreau: out. Thank you.

[0:46:17] Voice 18: Nice to meet you, everyone.

[0:46:19] Trustee Gauvreau: Great.

[0:46:22] Voice 18: So

[0:46:24] Voice 18: Lisa's just joined us. Is there any way

[0:46:26] Voice 18: we can get the

[0:46:29] Voice 18: package up here?

[0:46:30] Voice 18: Of course.

[0:46:33] Voice 18: That's okay.

[0:46:34] Voice 18: I just wanted to be able

[0:46:34] Voice 18: to show some things on the map.

[0:46:36] Voice 18: Thank you.

[0:46:39] Voice 18: It's a bit

[0:46:40] Voice 18: of a confusing property, but so

[0:46:42] Voice 18: this is a NAPTAP proposal

[0:46:44] Voice 18: for parcel on Salt Spring Island

[0:46:47] Voice 7: and

[0:46:48] Voice 18: it's sort of if we can scroll down to the next map

[0:46:55] Voice 4: oh sorry

[0:46:56] Voice 4: that's the last map in your

[0:46:58] Voice 18: staff report so there are many conservation values on this property

[0:47:02] Voice 18: sorry the next one so

[0:47:06] Voice 3: it

[0:47:07] Voice 18: is an oddly funnel shaped property and one of the things that I

[0:47:11] Voice 18: attempted to describe in the staff report is that um we don't have accurate mapping of

[0:47:17] Voice 18: the water and creeks um but there i tried to sketch it in so in our mapping system uh

[0:47:25] Voice 18: the provincial trim map which is the the basic water mapping that they did is notoriously

[0:47:33] Voice 18: inaccurate it's quite elderly um and was done i think using aerial interpretation so it shows

[0:47:39] Voice 18: the creek coming through here um and then the riparian areas regulation mapping that islands

[0:47:46] Voice 18: trust themselves did shows creeks and ponds over here on the ground there's a creek here and i do

[0:47:54] Voice 18: not know whether all of them are correct or none of them because i didn't get a chance to trump all

[0:48:01] Voice 18: of the different areas but roughly um can we go to the next now please uh advice joe

[0:48:09] Voice 18: thank you kindly um so just to give you some context that the creek this area of salt spring

[0:48:18] Voice 18: has many small tributaries and many little creeks that are seasonal or that are ephemeral which

[0:48:24] Voice 18: means they stop and start they come and go they all rain down into stole lake or make stole i'm

[0:48:30] Voice 18: I'm not sure

[0:48:31] Voice 1: which one it's called.

[0:48:32] Voice 18: People variously call these different tributaries Stowell Creek,

[0:48:35] Voice 18: but none of them technically is Stowell Creek.

[0:48:39] Voice 18: Stowell Creek itself comes out of the lake down at the bottom.

[0:48:41] Voice 18: So I did my best in the staff report.

[0:48:44] Voice 18: I don't know how well I did.

[0:48:46] Voice 18: But the covenant idea is that this is the residential area.

[0:48:51] Voice 18: There's a little meditation cabin here,

[0:48:53] Voice 18: right where the salmon enhancement ponds were built.

[0:48:56] Voice 18: and so the i this part of the property is completely undeveloped there's a wetland

[0:49:01] Voice 18: complex here and this part along the bottom here i apologize trustee smith won't be able to see

[0:49:09] Voice 18: what i'm doing this part is rocky knolls and and some steep rising up i did not get a chance to

[0:49:15] Voice 18: see most of this edge of the property because it was quite hazardous the day i was there it was

[0:49:21] Voice 18: a monsoon with very strong wind um but certainly the conservation values that i saw in here were

[0:49:28] Voice 18: exceptional and the the creek itself um salmon don't come up this far but it's there's western

[0:49:35] Voice 18: painted turtle critical habitat map there's a known population of northern red-legged frog

[0:49:40] Voice 18: down here and so it more than likely um goes throughout the property the creek i don't know

[0:49:47] Voice 18: exactly where which of the creeks are the boundary but the the knap tap conservation area boundary

[0:49:53] Voice 18: idea was probably from the creek east um there are some depending on where these boundaries are

[0:50:02] Voice 18: we might want to try and extend the covenant boundary into here but again it would take more

[0:50:07] Voice 18: work on the ground but there's the rare species there are rare ecosystems through here in the

[0:50:12] Voice 18: the wetland itself there was very large cedar uh and rumor from the neighborhood is that that area

[0:50:18] Voice 18: was never logged i can't i didn't see it certainly didn't see any logging steps through here but as

[0:50:23] Voice 18: i said it was it was really my

[0:50:26] Voice 18: dog even refused to keep going down the trail

[0:50:30] Voice 18: so more exploration is needed but that gives you the the context of of the proposal um

[0:50:38] Voice 18: I think the conservation values are quite clear.

[0:50:40] Voice 18: The landholder was keen to move with the NAPTAP.

[0:50:43] Voice 18: There was one typo I wanted to make sure to point out.

[0:50:47] Voice 18: In the RFD itself, somewhere in all of the editing of versions,

[0:50:51] Voice 18: it should have said that the covenant will not be completed in time for 2027.

[0:50:57] Voice 18: It actually says that it will be completed.

[0:51:00] Voice 18: Oh, it will not.

[0:51:01] Trustee Gauvreau: Oh, okay.

[0:51:02] Voice 18: um it was somehow that negative got removed in all of our edits uh back and forth um

[0:51:11] Voice 7: i

[0:51:11] Voice 18: guess i can just answer any questions i know there's a lot of detail in there but

[0:51:15] Voice 18: there's a lot of detail for

[0:51:17] Trustee Gauvreau: the board any questions looking for clarity anything

[0:51:22] Voice 15: trustee smith uh yeah i know this property leave it or not and i'm just thrilled that they want to

[0:51:28] Voice 15: that maryland wants to put a nap tip on it i think it's fantastic great report and great work

[0:51:35] Voice 15: i've been there when it's not raining

[0:51:41] Trustee Gauvreau: yeah how about any other questions from the board here yeah go ahead

[0:51:45] Voice 3: so um i'm happy to hear that

[0:51:47] Voice 3: it's a mature douglas fur ecosystem uh i had a question about when we're evaluating properties

[0:51:55] Voice 3: properties um say that have less mature Douglas fir um let's say the secondary growth or it was

[0:52:03] Voice 3: logged um but the NAPTEP covenant then prohibits you know taking any trees um do we have is there

[0:52:10] Voice 3: any intent to vary the terms of the covenant so that there could be or or different type of

[0:52:18] Voice 3: covenant to do regenerative forest stewardship to actually manage the area so that it actually

[0:52:25] Voice 3: you know the bigger trees are allowed to grow and it's not just or are we just saying you know

[0:52:30] Voice 3: secondary growth not a

[0:52:31] Voice 18: valuable ecosystem we're not gonna

[0:52:33] Voice 11: look

[0:52:34] Voice 18: excellent question uh manager

[0:52:36] Voice 18: tyrell did you want to speak to it or i can't

[0:52:37] Voice 4: i think we could probably both speak to it but in

[0:52:41] Voice 4: in general the covenants uh do allow for restoration and management of land

[0:52:47] Voice 4: um at the

[0:52:49] Voice 4: the cost of the conservancy so and if the landholder wanted to propose a management

[0:52:55] Voice 4: restoration plan we would bring that to the board for consideration

[0:52:58] Voice 4: Catherine

[0:52:59] Voice 18: and I think from the

[0:53:01] Voice 18: from the bigger perspective of prioritization um it's not been an issue in the time that

[0:53:06] Voice 3: I've

[0:53:08] Voice 18: been here and I I don't know how we would because we all know that it's valuable for those

[0:53:16] Voice 18: second growth or even a young forest to be protected into the future and to form you know

[0:53:22] Voice 18: the old but i don't i don't know what you as a board would choose to do if we had a proposal to

[0:53:28] Voice 18: protect 10 acres of coral sapling exactly

[0:53:31] Voice 3: like that would be kind of a different

[0:53:34] Voice 3: that's very

[0:53:35] Voice 18: interesting

[0:53:35] Voice 3: but it's good to know that the management plan could then include so you could

[0:53:40] Voice 3: Could you put requirements to, say, manage over a certain amount of time, regenerating in this way?

[0:53:49] Voice 3: You're taking down south lanes.

[0:53:51] Voice 3: It

[0:53:51] Voice 18: would be a management plan.

[0:53:52] Voice 18: So a covenant, anything

[0:53:54] Voice 18: can be agreed to by all the parties after the covenant is in place.

[0:53:57] Voice 18: But also, I don't know if the Conservancy has done this often, but in other places that I've worked, we've had a management plan where the covenant says work can happen according to

[0:54:08] Voice 5: whichever management plan.

[0:54:09] Voice 18: You can either have it developed at the same time as the covenant

[0:54:12] Voice 18: or you develop it

[0:54:13] Voice 5: down

[0:54:14] Voice 18: the road and it gets updated along the way.

[0:54:17] Voice 18: Okay.

[0:54:17] Voice 3: Thank you. It's great to know.

[0:54:19] Voice 18: Oh, Manager Tyrell has got it.

[0:54:21] Voice 4: Yes, go ahead.

[0:54:22] Voice 4: And I was going to add to that.

[0:54:24] Voice 4: We just recently had this conversation that these restoration plans

[0:54:28] Voice 4: or management plans would be working documents

[0:54:29] Voice 4: so that any changes that need to be made,

[0:54:32] Voice 4: they wouldn't be tied to, say, registered with.

[0:54:35] Voice 4: Right.

[0:54:36] Voice 18: Excellent.

[0:54:37] Voice 4: Yes.

[0:54:38] Voice 18: Actually, we do have one covenant that has that, and it's the Link Island.

[0:54:45] Voice 18: The donors, when they placed the NAPTEP covenant, wanted there to be a management plan for, I don't know the details of it.

[0:54:56] Voice 18: I'm trying to think, Gemma would know, Staff Queen?

[0:55:00] Voice 18: Yeah, they're gone.

[0:55:02] Voice 18: Oh,

[0:55:03] Trustee Gauvreau: interesting. Fantastic. Any other questions from the board here?

[0:55:07] Voice 8: What are we thinking? What are we feeling?

[0:55:08] Voice 8: Ellen. So it's wonderful. I'm happy to make this motion. What

[0:55:12] Voice 8: a generous offer. I move that the

[0:55:16] Voice 8: Islands Trust Conservancy Board accepts the conservation proposal submitted by Marilyn

[0:55:22] Voice 8: Walker to place a Natural Area Protection Tax Exemption Program, NAPTEP, covenant on approximately

[0:55:29] Voice 8: in the 2.5 hectares of a Salt Spring Island property,

[0:55:33] Voice 8: BID 009805991, Lot A, Section 72,

[0:55:41] Voice 8: South Salt Spring Island, Cowichan District, Plan 46279,

[0:55:47] Voice 8: to protect the wetland, riparian areas, and mature forest,

[0:55:51] Voice 8: subject to review of First Nations referral responses

[0:55:55] Voice 8: and to ministerial approval.

[0:55:58] Voice 8: Thank you.

[0:55:59] Voice 8: Thank you. Looking

[0:55:59] Trustee Gauvreau: for a seconder. Vice Chair Nanko, any more discussion? I shall call the vote then. All in favor? Looks like motion is carried. Unanimous. Thank you.

[0:56:22] Voice 7: Thank you

[0:56:22] Trustee Gauvreau: very much. Now we're coming up to the end of the item for discussion. Section 7. So we're moving into 7.1.

[0:56:34] Trustee Gauvreau: and I thought that around 11 o'clock

[0:56:37] Trustee Gauvreau: or 11.50 we would take a little bit of a break

[0:56:39] Trustee Gauvreau: because our next item

[0:56:41] Trustee Gauvreau: is a species that risk program

[0:56:43] Trustee Gauvreau: highlights. Did

[0:56:44] Trustee Gauvreau: we want to do that

[0:56:45] Trustee Gauvreau: now or do you want a break?

[0:56:47] Trustee Gauvreau: Have a break?

[0:56:48] Trustee Gauvreau: I know it's early but let's take a break. We're going to be having

[0:56:52] Trustee Gauvreau: lunch today around

[0:56:53] Trustee Gauvreau: 12.30-ish

[0:56:56] Trustee Gauvreau: Our in-camera session

[0:56:57] Trustee Gauvreau: is at 1 o'clock but it's probably going to be more like

[0:56:59] Trustee Gauvreau: 2 o'clock. I scheduled

[0:57:00] Voice 7: about an hour

[0:57:01] Trustee Gauvreau: for the in-camera.

[0:57:03] Voice 7: sound good we'll

[0:57:04] Trustee Gauvreau: play we seem to be a little bit ahead of ourselves

[0:57:07] Voice 8: yet which is nice and if we do

[0:57:09] Voice 8: keep ahead it's not bad for us to leave early because our last ferry is oh it is

[0:57:15] Voice 8: really early

[0:57:16] Voice 8: good to

[0:57:17] Trustee Gauvreau: know good to know keep that in mind okay then we're going to take a 10 minute break

[0:57:22] Trustee Gauvreau: if that's all right with everyone yeah

[0:57:23] Voice 7: fantastic

[0:57:25] Trustee Gauvreau: and then we'll be back at or is that 11 10 08 yeah

[1:14:07] Voice 10: recording

[1:14:07] Trustee Gauvreau: thank you welcome back uh next up we're at the item 7.2.1 which is program highlights

[1:14:15] Trustee Gauvreau: uh presentation of briefing uh from our species at risk program so i turn that over to you species at

[1:14:22] Trustee Gauvreau: risk coordinator erica wheeler thank

[1:14:29] Voice 19: you chair gopro and thank you to the board for um inviting

[1:14:33] Voice 19: me to come and tell you about the program today um so i don't have control of the slideshow do i

[1:14:39] Voice 19: I've got yes okay yeah so I'll just ask Wendy to change it when the time comes okay

[1:14:45] Voice 19: let's look down um so I've included some of the basic background about this program

[1:14:53] Voice 19: even though a number of the trustees number of the board members have seen

[1:14:58] Voice 19: her in this presentation last week at the trust council

[1:15:02] Voice 19: um all the

[1:15:04] Voice 13: years I wasn't there

[1:15:04] Voice 13: that's okay

[1:15:05] Voice 19: but for for your benefit and also for trustee georgia's benefit i thought i'd go

[1:15:10] Voice 19: through some of the some of the basics about the program as well and for anybody online okay so

[1:15:17] Voice 19: um as trust conservancy we all know what we do and mostly the public knows what we do

[1:15:23] Voice 19: we support we work with the people and communities to create reserves and conservation covenants

[1:15:30] Voice 19: to protect special places and this is all based on voluntary action. Go ahead Wendy. Two of the

[1:15:40] Voice 19: main bits of work that we need to do, two main thrusts of our work are securement which is

[1:15:46] Voice 19: protecting land and biodiversity for the benefits of all and Islands Trust Conservancy has done well

[1:15:53] Voice 19: over the years. We're one of the largest land trusts in British Columbia with 115 protected

[1:15:59] Voice 19: protected areas currently. The second big piece of work that we need to do as a land trust is land

[1:16:04] Voice 19: stewardship. So working directly on the land. And that's important to maintain and enhance

[1:16:09] Voice 19: ecological integrity, to support biodiversity and climate resilience. And that's part of the work

[1:16:17] Voice 19: that is sometimes harder to get to, and costs a lot of money, you have boots on the ground.

[1:16:23] Voice 19: So I'm going to talk a little bit about our responsibilities that way.

[1:16:27] Voice 19: Thank you.

[1:16:31] Voice 19: In particular, I want to talk about species at risk and our shared responsibility

[1:16:38] Voice 19: for the stewardship of species at risk on IPC Project Hierarchist. Under the species at risk of

[1:16:45] Voice 19: Canada, species go through a lengthy process, can be designated at any one of these levels

[1:16:52] Voice 19: animals of at risk so they can be extinct which means they no longer occur anywhere on the planet

[1:17:00] Voice 19: extirpated means they don't occur in Canada endangered meaning they're facing extinction

[1:17:07] Voice 19: or extirpation threatened likely to become endangered and special concern so as you can

[1:17:13] Voice 19: see there's a gradation yeah one of the best examples in the trust area is of course the

[1:17:19] Voice 19: southern resident killer whales an iconic species that is endangered under the species at risk act

[1:17:26] Voice 19: okay at islands trust conservancy our purview is much more terrestrially oriented than marine

[1:17:35] Voice 19: oriented so these are some of the species that are at risk in the cast area and so the western

[1:17:42] Voice 19: Screech Owl is threatened. The Yellow Montane Violet is endangered, although it may now be

[1:17:49] Voice 19: coming down to threatened. The Zerrine Fritillary is actually a species that is not listed by the

[1:17:59] Voice 19: Species at Risk Act, but it's listed in the province. And the Sharp-tailed Snake is threatened.

[1:18:07] Voice 19: And also under the Species at Risk Act, the habitat that the species need to survive,

[1:18:16] Voice 19: which is termed critical habitat, is protected under the Act.

[1:18:20] Voice 19: What I'm showing here is a map of Mount Tuam from our internal mapping system from campus.

[1:18:26] Voice 19: And the circles and the squares in brown and green are areas of critical habitat that have

[1:18:35] Voice 19: been designated under legislation for the five species that you see there. So this is on Mount

[1:18:40] Voice 19: Tuam, which has one of the highest densities of species at risk in the trust area on Salt Spring

[1:18:45] Voice 19: Island. Next slide, please, Wendy. Just make a note because a lot of people have probably heard

[1:18:52] Voice 19: about the BC provincial red and blue listed species. You'll hear that a species is blue

[1:18:57] Voice 19: listed or red listed. Since the province of BC doesn't have any dedicated species at risk

[1:19:03] Voice 19: legislation. These are not legislated, they're not protected under legislation, but the province

[1:19:10] Voice 19: still manages these lists in order to protect species. So the red list and the blue list are

[1:19:18] Voice 19: two of the designations that reflect largely what species at risk designations also do.

[1:19:25] Voice 19: In the province, ecosystems are also listed at risk. Okay, Wendy, thank you. Next slide.

[1:19:34] Voice 19: We live in a really beautiful and important place in Canada.

[1:19:42] Voice 19: So where we are is in the Blue Squares.

[1:19:45] Voice 19: And we've got the Trust Area, falls in southwestern BC,

[1:19:50] Voice 19: which was designated by the federal government as a top priority across Canada

[1:19:54] Voice 19: to spend money on species at risk.

[1:19:57] Voice 19: And that program was called the Priority Places for Species at Risk,

[1:20:02] Voice 19: where millions of dollars flowed to organizations such as Islands Trust Conservancy

[1:20:06] Voice 19: over the last six to ten years in order to implement species at risk programs.

[1:20:13] Voice 7: Go ahead, Ruby.

[1:20:17] Voice 19: So in order to fill the gap between where we are, where Islands Trust Conservancy is now,

[1:20:23] Voice 19: and where we'd like to be in terms of our stewardship goals for species at risk,

[1:20:28] Voice 19: that is one of the reasons that we took on this grant from the priority places

[1:20:35] Voice 19: was to was to build our capacity in these goals so over the last six years the species at risk

[1:20:43] Voice 19: program has been in operation and the purpose is to contribute to the recovery of species at risk

[1:20:47] Voice 19: and the conservation of wildlife and habitats in the trust area we have some goals on the

[1:20:54] Voice 19: right hand of the slide there and i'm going to go over those in a little bit of detail so this is

[1:21:00] Voice 19: different from the presentation that we said you saw at trust council which shows you a little bit

[1:21:05] Voice 19: of the deliverables that we actually had that we agreed on for Environment Canada.

[1:21:09] Voice 19: So those were to develop our internal capacity and expertise as an organization,

[1:21:14] Voice 19: to document occurrences of species at risk, to do habitat restoration

[1:21:19] Voice 19: and enhancement, to improve our data accessibility and sharing,

[1:21:25] Voice 19: to do outreach and engagement to trustees and also to the public,

[1:21:30] Voice 19: to continue to work on habitat securement, and to build our collaborations

[1:21:33] Voice 19: to protect species at risk.

[1:21:35] Voice 19: Okay, so this is a set of tables, so not quite as exciting as pictures, but I wanted to show you where we're at with the different deliverables.

[1:21:50] Voice 19: And I don't know if the best way is for me to speak to them from here. I wanted to, I think what I'll do is I'll stand up. Is that okay?

[1:21:59] Voice 19: Yes, please.

[1:22:00] Voice 19: Okay. So the first set of goals was really about administration, program and administration. So we needed to up our capacity. We needed to bring in some framework and procedures for how we're going to manage this grant. So what I've got here is what the goal was, what we actually accomplished, and what our status is. So whether we have been able to meet the challenges of each of these goals.

[1:22:22] Voice 19: so in terms of developing our administrative framework it was kind of bumpy at the beginning

[1:22:29] Voice 19: but we managed to put in places for procedures for finance and reporting and procurement

[1:22:35] Voice 19: so that status is mostly completed as a program coordinator I'm now working on putting together

[1:22:43] Voice 19: a set of procedures for anybody who follows me so they can continue to implement that

[1:22:48] Voice 19: that. We increased our staffing. As you know, we had the SAR program coordinator for four

[1:22:55] Voice 19: years. We also had co-op students for four years as conservation technicians, and we

[1:23:00] Voice 19: contracted species at risk experts and local conservancies to do most of the work on the

[1:23:05] Voice 19: ground. So a lot of the funding that came from Environment and Climate Change Canada

[1:23:09] Voice 19: ended up back in the communities, really, which is a really

[1:23:11] Voice 19: strong point. And I wanted

[1:23:15] Voice 19: to say if you would like to ask any questions as i'm going along please stop me and we can

[1:23:20] Voice 16: yeah um

[1:23:21] Voice 19: so the funding is uncertain as you know for whether or not we'll have the capacity to do

[1:23:28] Voice 19: this kind of work without a coordinator um work plans and budgets were as per the agreement

[1:23:37] Voice 19: largely but i would say i've had a start here to remind myself that we in the timeline that we had

[1:23:43] Voice 19: we did largely ad hoc planning I would say for our work plans so we followed the availability

[1:23:49] Voice 19: of species at risk experts that we had and information that we got from the public

[1:23:55] Voice 19: and from the experts so I would say we've done planning but I wouldn't say it's been strategic

[1:23:59] Voice 19: planning so far and luckily the goals that we've had every every year have been quite flexible

[1:24:06] Voice 19: from the grantor's position anyway so that's largely completed and there's some wrap-up

[1:24:13] Voice 19: underway. One of our big goals was to establish an advisory group so an external advisory group

[1:24:20] Voice 19: that would not only advise us on species at risk but also on protected areas

[1:24:25] Voice 19: as well. This was delayed and hasn't we haven't really made much headway on that but I think it's

[1:24:31] Voice 19: an interesting piece for the board to consider over the long term is whether an external body

[1:24:38] Voice 19: that brings in that expertise might be useful. The quarterly and annual reporting to ECCC and

[1:24:44] Voice 19: Woodrow received, they like reading our stories with mostly on time, not always, that completes

[1:24:50] Voice 19: April 30th. And we have had program evaluations along the way and we now have one underway for

[1:24:56] Voice 19: the end of the term, which you know because you received all the emails. Okay, Wendy, next one.

[1:25:07] Voice 19: so one of the second big goals was to increase our accessibility of feces at risk data

[1:25:16] Voice 19: and first of all was to make sure that we have these updated data sets from the feds and from

[1:25:23] Voice 19: the province in our islands trust mapping application so that's important not just for us

[1:25:29] Voice 19: but at that point we were trying to make sure that we reached people like the planners

[1:25:33] Voice 19: and other part and trustees so they understood those data layers so we now have a system in place

[1:25:40] Voice 19: for that data to be uploaded every every six months so it's very it's a fairly good system

[1:25:46] Voice 19: we haven't been able to get very far on sharing data sets among conservancies which i think is

[1:25:54] Voice 19: something to for future consideration that islands trust conservancy could play a role

[1:25:58] Voice 19: in bringing in some of the data sets from other local conservancies.

[1:26:04] Voice 19: We have made initial contact with them but we didn't get very far on that one.

[1:26:09] Voice 19: One of the really important changes is that we now have a data sharing agreement for

[1:26:15] Voice 19: land owners who have with which we hold covenants so that'll be NAPTEC covenants

[1:26:20] Voice 19: and conservation covenants. Currently there's 60 agreements in place that means that

[1:26:25] Voice 19: um when we do find a species at risk on a on private property the people who have signed

[1:26:32] Voice 19: those agreements have agreed to let us share that with the province so that

[1:26:37] Voice 19: information then goes

[1:26:38] Voice 19: to the province and is made public and then also goes to the feds and that goes into doing things

[1:26:44] Voice 19: like creating a new critical habitat so super important

[1:26:48] Voice 1: how

[1:26:50] Voice 19: am i doing for time in terms of

[1:26:51] Voice 19: my speed doing okay time wise okay yep absolutely yeah okay um let's see in terms of uh developing a

[1:27:03] Voice 19: system for maintaining our data um we this was a big win this last fall we managed to with the help

[1:27:11] Voice 19: of a co-op student and um a co-op student build an interim database of over 1500 records of species

[1:27:20] Voice 19: at risk that are right at ITC protected areas this is now a spatial layer that you as trustees

[1:27:27] Voice 19: and board members I assume can go in and look at our internal database and pull those up and look

[1:27:32] Voice 19: at all the records so that's been a that's been a huge win this is not complete there's going to

[1:27:40] Voice 19: be follow-up required so this will be one of my recommendations that I make is that this is

[1:27:44] Voice 19: followed up fairly quickly. One of the points is that this information will eventually go into the

[1:27:51] Voice 19: property management database, which I think money for that was just approved by

[1:27:55] Voice 19: Council this week or last week, so that's excellent. One of the things we couldn't get to

[1:28:01] Voice 19: partly because we were hoping that there would be a database in place sooner than it had, you know,

[1:28:07] Voice 19: it's not in place yet. We were hoping we would be able to do some analysis of the occurrences

[1:28:12] Voice 19: of species at risk in the trust area to start building layers to add to our regional conservation

[1:28:19] Voice 19: plan process that is still in the works but now we have the protected areas database coming and

[1:28:27] Voice 19: we have our data in better shape so I think that it's been delayed but we will be able to use it

[1:28:32] Voice 19: for the regional conservation plan where it's not currently included in that in terms of

[1:28:37] Voice 19: figuring out priorities for securement. Next slide, Mindy. Okay, our third major goal was

[1:28:46] Voice 19: doing the basic work of documenting and monitoring species at risk. So those species that I showed

[1:28:52] Voice 19: you, the four species, a snake, an owl, and a flower, and what was the other one? Butterfly.

[1:28:59] Voice 19: They're not necessarily easy to find. Some

[1:29:02] Voice 19: of them are very cryptic, some of them only come out on

[1:29:05] Voice 19: on the wing for a very short period of time um some of them are nocturnal so a lot of the work

[1:29:11] Voice 19: is spending time sending experts into the field to go and look for species at risk at all of our

[1:29:18] Voice 19: properties uh okay so first of all one of our first goals was to develop a more of a strategic

[1:29:25] Voice 19: approach to how we did surveys and monitoring and we didn't get very far on this mostly because

[1:29:32] Voice 19: we were responding to what was in front of us in terms of people saying what they what they think

[1:29:38] Voice 19: that they heard anecdotal evidence so we've mostly been following up on that so this has been a

[1:29:44] Voice 19: delayed goal but and I think this is something that really needs to be followed up on we did

[1:29:50] Voice 19: manage to expand the geographic and species scope of our surveys to some degree one of the

[1:29:59] Voice 19: The, um...

[1:30:00] Voice 19: important things is that we're now contributing to some research which is has come out of those

[1:30:05] Voice 19: that monitoring and those surveys and so this is more or less completed where we are we're just

[1:30:14] Voice 19: wrapping some things up we don't know

[1:30:16] Voice 19: where the funding is going to be for that work that's pretty

[1:30:18] Voice 19: expensive work to do you need a biologist to do a lot of this work under the new professional

[1:30:25] Voice 19: Governance Act, so that's a question for how we move forward on that. Habitat restoration and

[1:30:32] Voice 19: enhancement for species at risk was one of the biggest wins through this program. You will get a

[1:30:41] Voice 19: more in-detail report about how much ID was removed and how much broom was removed eventually,

[1:30:49] Voice 19: But right now I want to say that invasive species removal across our protected areas

[1:30:56] Voice 19: was one of our big wins.

[1:30:59] Voice 19: Over 35 properties had active invasive species removal, and these were some very big efforts

[1:31:07] Voice 19: in some cases.

[1:31:08] Voice 19: A couple of them we had to have a boat to take everything off the island.

[1:31:13] Voice 8: Wow.

[1:31:14] Voice 8: Just a quick

[1:31:15] Voice 8: question on that.

[1:31:17] Voice 8: is that where you involve local conservancy groups? Yes,

[1:31:21] Voice 19: yes so yeah

[1:31:23] Voice 19: so a lot of this work

[1:31:24] Voice 19: invasive species removal also the monitoring of nest boxes is done by

[1:31:30] Voice 4: a lot of

[1:31:31] Voice 19: conservancy so I

[1:31:32] Voice 4: have

[1:31:32] Voice 19: a list of the people that we've worked with a lot of the contracts that this is not something

[1:31:37] Voice 19: that I did by myself I want to just say that a lot of the my ITC colleagues have been in charge

[1:31:42] Voice 19: just the contracts so um uh our nature reserves there was yeah dozens of contracts at least a

[1:31:52] Voice 19: I would say for invasive species removal with local conservancies yeah um let's see so this is

[1:32:02] Voice 19: on this is all ongoing finding again is uncertain for this because it's boots on the ground so this

[1:32:08] Voice 19: is something for everybody to consider in the next steps and we haven't incorporated species

[1:32:15] Voice 19: at risk information into protected area management plans yet. I think that's something partly because

[1:32:21] Voice 19: management plans were were paused at some point. I don't know where that stands right now but

[1:32:27] Voice 19: that's been delayed and requires follow-up in order to incorporate that. So again not getting

[1:32:34] Voice 19: into the strategic species at risk. Okay, next one. Another goal was to have lots of engagement

[1:32:46] Voice 19: about species at risk. And one of our big goals, which was delayed and then has kind of fell off

[1:32:53] Voice 19: the plan, was to develop an engagement plan for local First Nations. And I think that the reason

[1:32:59] Voice 19: that fell off the plan was partly because ITC overall and Islands Trust overall was developing

[1:33:06] Voice 19: a process to do that for the organization in a larger way. So this now will be included during

[1:33:14] Voice 19: the engagement with First Nations for the five-year plan. So species at risk will just be

[1:33:19] Voice 19: part of that consultation and so that's an ongoing project. We have outreach to landowners,

[1:33:27] Voice 19: partners, trustees and staff. So we had a practitioners gathering in 2022, which was

[1:33:32] Voice 19: very successful. Manager Tyrrell put that together, and I think it was a very big success.

[1:33:37] Voice 19: We had public webinars, we had a webinar for trustees, stewardship webinars, a gathering

[1:33:43] Voice 19: this year of all of the grantees who had already placed this money. I did a presentation to

[1:33:50] Voice 19: the regional planning committee, to trust council, and here we are today, presentation

[1:33:56] Voice 19: here. We also have had platforms, built platforms to raise awareness. We have a species at risk

[1:34:02] Voice 19: webpage, which means updating some articles in the Heron, and we also have had ongoing social

[1:34:10] Voice 19: media posts. So those have been our, how we've expanded engagement outreach. Okay, next, Truth

[1:34:17] Voice 19: Wendy. Land securement was a much more simple goal overall. It really was just to financially

[1:34:24] Voice 19: financially support any of the legal and survey costs that landowners had through the process

[1:34:31] Voice 19: and we have

[1:34:33] Voice 19: done that in a number of cases um it's mostly um i think that there's been a couple

[1:34:39] Voice 19: that have been from the eco program okay so you go against program thank you um yeah so um we

[1:34:48] Voice 19: weren't the program wasn't wasn't involved in a large way with land securement but we did

[1:34:54] Voice 19: did contribute to it. Okay. And finally, the last one, Wendy. So the final goal was to develop a

[1:35:01] Voice 19: conservation agreement with Environment Canada to benefit species at risk and to protect areas.

[1:35:10] Voice 19: And this is something that you'll know came to you to the board meeting last time and

[1:35:15] Voice 19: need your approval to go forward to complete that agreement. This is just a timeline of how long

[1:35:22] Voice 19: this has actually been in in motion started with conversations in 2019 drafted some ideas about how

[1:35:30] Voice 19: we wanted to do it finally got an agreement last summer and the board approved it January and we're

[1:35:37] Voice 19: now in our last legal review and have received that so we should be able to go to signature

[1:35:44] Voice 19: in the next little while um just a reminder that this is a just a framework for collaboration with

[1:35:52] Voice 19: Environment Canada. It opens the doors or it keeps the door open for funding if there is funding

[1:35:58] Voice 19: available federally, so that's one of the best things. It also does make our commitment to

[1:36:04] Voice 19: species at risk more public, which is a great thing. That's something that we want to be

[1:36:10] Voice 19: want to be dedicated to. Okay, maybe I'll just stop there because the last slides I have are

[1:36:20] Voice 19: really just highlights of the program showing you some species stories but are there any

[1:36:26] Voice 19: questions or things you'd like me to address about the where we've been and where things stand at

[1:36:32] Voice 19: this point?

[1:36:34] Voice 3: Thank you and thanks for the presentation I really appreciate the overview

[1:36:39] Voice 3: especially of the goals and the different areas that we were developing. My question is like how

[1:36:48] Voice 3: How much, so those goals we've got of program administration and then data and information surveys and monitoring, it sounds like the surveys and monitoring sort of received the most complete checkmark.

[1:37:04] Voice 3: I mean, there's a lot that's completed.

[1:37:06] Voice 1: I'm not saying

[1:37:07] Voice 3: it's not. But how much was directed by ECCC in terms of what they wanted to see accomplished? And, you know, where we did, you know, it's delayed or ongoing.

[1:37:19] Voice 3: going um are those critical things for ecc do they want to see further work done and would those be

[1:37:27] Voice 3: folded into a new work program if funding is found you know sort of these pieces that are left

[1:37:34] Voice 3: and it's great that we got there's a lot that is completed so i'm

[1:37:38] Voice 3: not saying it isn't but

[1:37:39] Voice 3: um how are we addressing the um the things that are not completed and

[1:37:45] Voice 3: how important are they

[1:37:46] Voice 7: Yeah,

[1:37:48] Voice 19: thanks for the question. From ECCC's perspective, they have been very flexible in responding to how things shift at ITC.

[1:38:03] Voice 19: um and I should say from the beginning that I believe I wasn't there at the start but the

[1:38:09] Voice 19: the work program as we as addressed in the agreement that agreement itself the funding

[1:38:16] Voice 19: agreement was developed internally so those were all goals that we had they weren't imposing this

[1:38:23] Voice 19: was a very differently managed and just yeah yeah that's yeah because

[1:38:27] Voice 3: quarantine usually there's a

[1:38:29] Voice 3: a very strict schedule of what you have to

[1:38:31] Voice 3: accomplish to prove those deliverables to the

[1:38:36] Voice 19: donor

[1:38:36] Voice 3: agency

[1:38:37] Voice 19: or whatever that's right and and they intentionally had a different perspective

[1:38:43] Voice 19: okay knowing that um imposing federal priorities on organizations that know their communities really

[1:38:51] Voice 19: well know their priorities are already doing a lot of the work they knew that that probably was

[1:38:57] Voice 19: wasn't going to land as well as giving organizations some room to shift so um each of the

[1:39:05] Voice 19: things that have not been accomplished are things that i have been in contact with i e triple c it

[1:39:11] Voice 19: out to let them know where we're at so every year i send a message to say you know we're behind on

[1:39:16] Voice 19: this so we get him

[1:39:17] Voice 19: okay and even shifting granting amounts in between those six different categories

[1:39:23] Voice 19: has been okay. So I don't think that we have failed in our commitment at all to Environment

[1:39:33] Voice 19: Canada. I think they've been very happy with the work that we've been doing. I don't think

[1:39:37] Voice 19: they'd be entering into a conservation agreement with us if they didn't think we could hold up our

[1:39:42] Voice 19: end. But

[1:39:43] Voice 19: there are some really big pieces for us to consider in terms of the work that we need to

[1:39:50] Voice 19: do that itc needs to do yeah maybe you know for me i'm certainly i like taking a more strategic

[1:39:57] Voice 19: approach to the work i think we did really well getting the money it kind of i think it kind of

[1:40:02] Voice 19: came fast and um i think that would be that that's a really big number one thing for me

[1:40:10] Trustee Gauvreau: because those

[1:40:10] Voice 19: priorities will need to go into the regional conservation fund as well

[1:40:13] Voice 19: okay just

[1:40:15] Trustee Gauvreau: want to take a minute to check in on um trustee smith

[1:40:19] Trustee Gauvreau: uh trustee smith trustee smith has a terrible cold are you feeling all right yes

[1:40:27] Voice 15: i'm hearing

[1:40:28] Voice 15: you i'm just uh sick yeah

[1:40:32] Voice 7: i

[1:40:34] Voice 15: heard that i heard the presentation on that trust council already so

[1:40:39] Voice 15: so thanks for that erica's really good presentation oh

[1:40:42] Trustee Gauvreau: yeah i just want to check

[1:40:43] Trustee Gauvreau: and that you're feeling all right,

[1:40:44] Trustee Gauvreau: that you're up to the meeting?

[1:40:45] Voice 15: Oh, I feel really lousy, but I'm trying my best.

[1:40:50] Trustee Gauvreau: She's here with us, right?

[1:40:52] Trustee Gauvreau: I feel, we feel for you.

[1:40:55] Trustee Gauvreau: Just to mention that.

[1:40:58] Trustee Gauvreau: I

[1:40:58] Voice 4: just was going to add to Erica

[1:41:01] Voice 4: and addressing Trustee Elliot's question is,

[1:41:04] Voice 4: also as the deliverables evolved,

[1:41:08] Voice 4: so they were created the year that we received the funding.

[1:41:13] Voice 4: and there was no SAR coordinator.

[1:41:15] Voice 4: They were developed, they definitely evolved, I think,

[1:41:18] Voice 4: over time in consultation with the ECCC.

[1:41:20] Voice 4: And there was things that became apparent during the workshop.

[1:41:25] Voice 4: For example, one of the things that was deliverable

[1:41:28] Voice 4: was to kind of bring together an advisory group, a SAR group,

[1:41:33] Voice 4: through the local conservancies.

[1:41:34] Voice 4: And through that workshop, we learned from our local conservation partners

[1:41:39] Voice 4: that that was not really the ideal way to address the situation that we would have something an

[1:41:45] Voice 4: advisory group that was a little more uh broader scope conservation scope as opposed to specific

[1:41:50] Voice 4: to species at risk so that conversation continues and as as erica mentioned we um have been in

[1:41:58] Voice 4: consultation with e triple c the whole time they've been

[1:42:01] Voice 4: very you know understanding of how

[1:42:03] Voice 4: things change they've had to be understanding and flexible for all the priority places recipients

[1:42:09] Voice 4: recipients because things change over time. And so it's been really nice to have that flexibility

[1:42:15] Voice 4: to be able

[1:42:16] Voice 4: to branch out where you're doing really well. Thank you.

[1:42:21] Voice 17: Thank you. Thank you.

[1:42:23] Voice 3: I'm going to come first. Thank you very much. Yeah.

[1:42:27] Voice 13: Thank you so much for the presentation.

[1:42:29] Voice 13: This is my first time going through this presentation. Thank you for all your work

[1:42:33] Voice 13: in this and as well as staff, whoever once contributed to this. And hopefully we can

[1:42:37] Voice 13: and find more sources to continue this program in the future and and like you said take a more

[1:42:44] Voice 13: strategic approach um i think um manager tyrell touched on this but i was curious about the

[1:42:52] Voice 13: advisory group like who would with kind of with your comment in mind what's the vision for that

[1:42:57] Voice 13: advisory group like who would make that up would it be who would make up that advisory group

[1:43:04] Voice 19: i think that probably manager tyrell could speak more directly to that because she was involved

[1:43:09] Voice 19: when it was still um something that we were going to move forward yeah and

[1:43:15] Voice 13: you kind of just touched

[1:43:15] Voice 13: on it sorry but like you said it's still kind of in process is there like a

[1:43:19] Voice 13: newer vision for it or

[1:43:21] Voice 13: is there more thought around i

[1:43:22] Voice 4: like to think that there is a new vision for it yeah and we i am in

[1:43:26] Voice 4: conversation with some of the local conservancies and we're looking at possibly um creating a

[1:43:32] Voice 4: a group um local conservancy group and with of course first nations invited to the table as well

[1:43:39] Voice 4: and so just to have that you know um i think that we do operate a little bit in silos um the

[1:43:47] Voice 4: island stress conservancy is fortunate that we do work with some of our conservation partners but

[1:43:51] Voice 4: not all and so i think it would be um beneficial for all conservation related organizations and

[1:43:59] Voice 4: entities to be sitting at a table at least twice a year to have

[1:44:04] Voice 4: those bigger picture conversations

[1:44:07] Voice 4: yeah

[1:44:07] Trustee Gauvreau: i did that external advisory group mentioned at trust council quite often

[1:44:11] Trustee Gauvreau: recommendations it's excellent um what was that trustee yates

[1:44:16] Voice 8: and then trustee smith

[1:44:18] Voice 8: and um let's see can um manager tyrell can you go back a couple of slides to where it says there

[1:44:25] Voice 8: There were 60 agreements right there in place.

[1:44:28] Voice 8: That's for the data sharing agreement for the covenant.

[1:44:32] Voice 8: So when you approach, you know, are you talking about the 115 properties that we have that are protected?

[1:44:41] Voice 8: And so you want to ideally get all 115 of those properties?

[1:44:48] Voice 8: Yeah, correct.

[1:44:49] Voice 8: correct um

[1:44:50] Voice 19: 80 well 81 um of our protected areas are covenants and the

[1:44:56] Voice 19: other 34 are

[1:44:57] Voice 19: we own fee simple so we don't need to have agreement yeah so we have 30 out of 81

[1:45:04] Voice 19: 60 oh

[1:45:07] Voice 8: that's pretty good yeah okay that's that's great thank

[1:45:11] Voice 8: you and

[1:45:12] Voice 4: that's from i think two

[1:45:13] Voice 4: previous to this project.

[1:45:16] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:45:17] Voice 4: Trustee Smith, you had a question?

[1:45:20] Voice 15: Yeah, I have two questions.

[1:45:21] Voice 15: One, just given all the cutbacks in the federal government

[1:45:25] Voice 15: and ECCC and also the provincial government, obviously,

[1:45:30] Voice 15: do you think there's any hope that there would be other funding

[1:45:34] Voice 15: from the federal government?

[1:45:35] Voice 15: That's my first question.

[1:45:38] Voice 15: And my second question, so this program, you know,

[1:45:43] Voice 15: is really focused on species, but are we not moving more towards a, you know, endangered

[1:45:52] Voice 15: ecosystems approach rather than just a species focus? So when you envision a program in the

[1:45:59] Voice 15: future, are you envisioning more ecosystem-based rather than species-based?

[1:46:05] Voice 4: I can speak to that.

[1:46:11] Voice 4: Yeah, I'm looking forward to some comments on that, that's an interesting question.

[1:46:16] Voice 4: It is a very interesting question. As we know, the Federal Species Arrest Act does not

[1:46:24] Voice 4: have listed ecosystems. They are species-based listings, Schedule 1. However,

[1:46:32] Voice 4: However, we, as a conservancy, do focus on ecosystem-based research, education, and management.

[1:46:40] Voice 4: Yeah, and so, again, that flexibility with ECCC, where we did focus on more of an ecosystem-wide,

[1:46:48] Voice 4: we report on species because that is the base of the funding.

[1:46:59] Voice 4: Erica, did you want to add to that?

[1:47:01] Voice 4: Share a follow-up?

[1:47:02] Voice 4: what do you think

[1:47:04] Voice 7: i

[1:47:05] Voice 15: don't think that answered my question i understand the legislation and

[1:47:09] Voice 15: why we uh focus on species at risk and the listing process and all that but i'm just

[1:47:16] Voice 15: wondering about our vision from itc are we moving towards more um an ecosystem-based approach the

[1:47:24] Voice 15: reason i ask this is that i think it's very difficult to capture the public on protecting

[1:47:31] Voice 15: protecting individual species. And when we show, I was sort of observing your presentation at

[1:47:37] Voice 15: Trust Council, which was a very good presentation, but looking at the trustees around the table.

[1:47:42] Voice 15: And I think, you know, when you show pictures of individual species and what we're doing,

[1:47:49] Voice 15: you know, sharp-tailed snake and all that kind of stuff, I think people glaze over a bit because

[1:47:53] Voice 15: they don't really relate to species in that way. And so I'm just wondering if we are

[1:48:00] Voice 15: moving more towards thinking ecosystem-based approaches to ecosystems at risk and you know

[1:48:09] Voice 15: many organizations like IUCN for example has developed a process for identifying ecosystems

[1:48:15] Voice 15: at risk and the federal government's looking at that as well so I just wondered what's our

[1:48:21] Voice 15: are thinking in that in that realm well

[1:48:24] Trustee Gauvreau: maybe um director freighter

[1:48:27] Voice 19: respond first

[1:48:29] Voice 19: um thank you for the question christy smith um from my understanding of um our process with

[1:48:38] Voice 19: the conservancy is that um our habitat protection crew habitat uh you know the the work that

[1:48:48] Voice 19: Catherine does in terms of developing your regional conservation plan certainly includes

[1:48:54] Voice 19: endangered ecosystems to some degree so I think that we already are thinking on that level about

[1:49:01] Voice 19: how how our securement at least uh is relates to from an ecosystem perspective um Captain's

[1:49:09] Voice 19: actually right here if you'd like to I can't

[1:49:14] Voice 18: answer that any more thoroughly than that because

[1:49:16] Voice 18: Because I didn't

[1:49:16] Voice 18: develop the model to connect

[1:49:19] Voice 18: to the current.

[1:49:19] Voice 19: Yeah. So I think I would see those as separate, but interrelated processes.

[1:49:26] Voice 19: When we come down to species at risk, we're kind of,

[1:49:29] Voice 19: for a lot of the species we're at, we need to do the protection as well,

[1:49:33] Voice 19: but we also need to, where things are really fragile and potentially we're at,

[1:49:39] Voice 19: we're at a, you know, an emergency, we really need to protect,

[1:49:43] Voice 19: We need to know where things are in order to protect them.

[1:49:46] Voice 19: I think we need to work on both levels, from my perspective anyway.

[1:49:51] Voice 5: Yeah, any further from staff?

[1:49:52] Voice 5: Yeah, I can just add that, I mean, I think the Conservancy deals

[1:49:55] Voice 5: with the ecosystem levels primarily through the development

[1:49:58] Voice 5: of its regional conservation plan, and that's based off, at this time,

[1:50:01] Voice 5: some terrestrial ecosystem mapping, and then analysis of that mapping.

[1:50:07] Voice 5: And then through the plan, the board identified biodiversity priorities

[1:50:10] Voice 5: for itself, which included susceptibility of the landscape to damage, representative level of all

[1:50:15] Voice 5: ecosystems, inclusion of rare features, and inclusion of unique regional features. And then

[1:50:21] Voice 5: that priority setting was used to inform the priority setting of the board as it related to

[1:50:27] Voice 5: the regional conservation plan. The other piece that informed it was disturbance mapping, which

[1:50:32] Voice 5: is something I love to promote because it helps us get a view on how changes are happening over time

[1:50:37] Voice 5: time outside the scope of island stress so we can interpret and see what small changes what

[1:50:43] Voice 5: cumulative impact they're having on the landscape and so that is something I'll be advocating for

[1:50:48] Voice 5: in the future that we do again to get a sense of how the islands are changing so I would speak to

[1:50:52] Voice 5: that around and put that in your frame around are those the values that you want heading into the

[1:50:56] Voice 5: next project and I think the key and again it's in the draft policy statement as well is for

[1:51:02] Voice 5: protected area networks. So these species at risk exist within the broader ecology, right? And so

[1:51:09] Voice 5: it's having sustained networks that these species, as we look at climate change too, can have for

[1:51:14] Voice 5: adapting.

[1:51:16] Voice 4: I think what I'd like to add to that is I think where we need to go and where we will be

[1:51:23] Voice 4: going next is looking at ecosystem integrity from a stewardship management perspective. We do

[1:51:31] Voice 4: do need to improve on that and having a database and creating a strategy around our conservation

[1:51:36] Voice 4: you know stewardship goals that is where it's going to lead to what i think we are protecting

[1:51:43] Voice 4: ecosystems as the network as we're speaking to but we have that ongoing in perpetuity task of

[1:51:52] Voice 4: making sure that they remain uh you know intact functioning ecosystems and that's where i think

[1:51:58] Voice 4: we can do a better job at um understanding all of the systems that we have and where they're at as

[1:52:05] Voice 4: far as trajectory and working towards a nice strategic plan on rolling out stewardship

[1:52:10] Voice 4: management thank

[1:52:12] Voice 3: you trustee elliott go ahead um i i didn't know where to bring this up in the

[1:52:16] Voice 3: conversation so i i know we're ranging far from speeches i

[1:52:20] Voice 3: really want to encourage everyone to

[1:52:24] Voice 3: There was a presentation made to the Bowen Island Municipality Council yesterday from

[1:52:30] Voice 1: the Bowen Conservancy

[1:52:31] Voice 3: on their Caring for Nature initiative, which has done incredibly deep work.

[1:52:39] Voice 3: That is Dr. Wendy Palin from SFU and Dr. Thomas Sist, and they invited people to engage with them.

[1:52:48] Voice 3: I don't know if ITC has contributed towards that, but what they showed in that presentation and her lab has posted all the data

[1:52:57] Voice 16: on

[1:52:58] Voice 3: a drive that is publicly available and their mapping is honestly amazing.

[1:53:05] Voice 3: So conservation values, they've designed a conservation prioritization algorithm, they've got a biodiversity data atlas, they've included human development fresher, conversion of forests into fragmented development parcels, vulnerability to wildfire, not for human-urban interface, but for ecosystems, rather.

[1:53:29] Voice 3: And then they overlay all of that with the protected areas, including ITC protected areas, to determine, you know, what else do we need to protect, where are the highest conservation values, and more importantly, they identified corridors between these fragmented protected areas.

[1:53:49] Voice 3: So what this does is it creates a strategy. I mean, if they were to adopt the recommendations or going through an OCP review, but that schedule of all of those layers can be appended to their OCP as this is your conservation strategy going forward so that you've got the land use planning piece and the conservancy piece and it's based on the biodiversity data.

[1:54:15] Voice 3: So I recommend everyone watch that presentation, but also the intention is to keep that data open source and available so their framework is available that we could replicate.

[1:54:26] Voice 3: And I think that

[1:54:26] Voice 3: should be the base.

[1:54:28] Voice 3: We could start with that model for our regional conservation plan.

[1:54:31] Voice 3: So I was nerding out on that.

[1:54:33] Voice 3: I was so excited by this.

[1:54:34] Voice 3: it really is i think groundbreaking work to thailand he's planning with real data gathered

[1:54:40] Voice 3: on the ground but it's a whole areas and also strategy for where we need to go to increase

[1:54:45] Voice 3: the protection in those highest value biodiversity areas so thank you i

[1:54:51] Voice 3: look forward to nerding out

[1:54:52] Trustee Gauvreau: i'm so excited about it and

[1:54:54] Voice 3: i'll have that link i will send it or i'll send it to the

[1:54:58] Trustee Gauvreau: eps martell yeah yeah

[1:54:59] Voice 18: no i just want to say i mean that's essentially the process that was

[1:55:02] Voice 18: used to develop our regional conservation. But we don't have updated data to be able to do it

[1:55:07] Voice 18: through the island's chest area. I'm really interested to see the presentation and see

[1:55:13] Voice 18: what data they used. Also, we have been part of the CDFCP, Coast of the Spirit Conservation

[1:55:22] Voice 18: Program. It's a pilot project with developing the biodiversity atlas. Very, very similar to

[1:55:28] Voice 18: that with Sunshine Coast, working with Nuncombe, have you, Trustee Nuncombe, have you worked

[1:55:39] Voice 18: on that project?

[1:55:39] Voice 18: Is Ta'aman working on that project?

[1:55:42] Voice 13: I'm not sure.

[1:55:43] Voice 13: I'm not sure.

[1:55:44] Voice 18: I know they work with some of the nations on that, but then also the municipalities

[1:55:48] Voice 18: in Sunshine Coast and that pilot project, and then the idea is to roll it out throughout

[1:55:54] Voice 18: the whole of the Coastal Legislature

[1:55:56] Voice 15: zone

[1:55:57] Voice 18: sometime in the next couple of months, they've

[1:55:59] Voice 18: in funding challenges um

[1:56:02] Voice 5: but

[1:56:03] Voice 18: so it's been involved with that and so it all just comes down to

[1:56:06] Voice 18: capacity not only of developing the project and and but also to to get the data right

[1:56:15] Voice 18: and to have the data but i'm so excited to hear that others are and

[1:56:19] Voice 3: it's in bowen which we

[1:56:21] Voice 3: is in

[1:56:22] Voice 3: the trust area i

[1:56:23] Voice 18: wonder how much extra value is involved in that well

[1:56:27] Voice 3: i think some of

[1:56:28] Voice 3: the data is better because they did mention metro vancouver and how um there had been an investment

[1:56:34] Voice 3: in i don't know whatever data collection because of metro vancouver so um but i think it's the

[1:56:40] Voice 3: framework that is really interesting because they tied it back to land use planning yeah and how is

[1:56:46] Voice 3: you know the disturbed like your current ocp and the projector the projected um you know growth

[1:56:54] Voice 3: or say subdivision approval so if you've got a latent subdivision over somewhere that's identified

[1:57:00] Voice 3: as a very high priority and it is not conserved and protected it's say and there'd be a different

[1:57:07] Voice 3: strategy if it's a landholder you know privately held versus crown lands so going after crown lands

[1:57:14] Voice 3: first and then working with federal government for those but protected areas you develop an

[1:57:18] Voice 3: an education program or advertising the NAFTA covenants for instance which Bowen doesn't seem

[1:57:25] Voice 3: to know a lot about we did a presentation to Bowen last year and half of their council was like oh

[1:57:32] Voice 3: NAFTA covenants that's an interesting thought they didn't know that at all so I think this

[1:57:38] Voice 3: I'll stop very interesting well thank you for that

[1:57:42] Voice 18: too I mean that was at the last few pages

[1:57:44] Voice 18: of our regional conservation plan are exactly that okay right the biodiversity scoring yeah

[1:57:51] Voice 18: areas and those could be overlaid on in fact the board does have a confidential report um that is

[1:57:58] Voice 18: an overlay of the biodiversity scores with um not with zoning but with parcels

[1:58:10] Voice 18: That would be straight far from Trustee Smith's question, I think

[1:58:14] Voice 18: we all see the importance

[1:58:15] Voice 18: of the ecosystem.

[1:58:16] Trustee Gauvreau: Absolutely.

[1:58:17] Voice 18: Yeah,

[1:58:17] Trustee Gauvreau: excellent conversations.

[1:58:19] Trustee Gauvreau: We're looking at the time here as well.

[1:58:21] Trustee Gauvreau: So the next question, maybe one question, Manager Tyrrell, your comment?

[1:58:25] Trustee Gauvreau: I was just going

[1:58:26] Voice 4: to say that staff will be bringing a business case for the next

[1:58:30] Voice 4: budget for the regional conservation plan update.

[1:58:33] Voice 4: so that will include funds for the mapping gaps that we have to inform excellent thank you very

[1:58:41] Voice 4: much did

[1:58:42] Voice 8: we have any more questions for um yes yes a quick question um on the funding so um

[1:58:50] Voice 8: we're going to be doing a little bit more supported by the itc operating budget

[1:58:55] Voice 8: budget and a $26,000 grant from Tree Canada. Is that part of the operating budget or is that

[1:59:03] Voice 8: extra? Extra. Oh, so supported by the ITC operating budget and a $26,000, right?

[1:59:11] Voice 8: So yeah, Tree Canada.

[1:59:14] Voice 19: Those two would like to talk to that.

[1:59:21] Trustee Gauvreau: the

[1:59:21] Voice 4: grant is actually covering $9,500 worth of work that was already scheduled

[1:59:27] Voice 4: to happen so already funded um or planned and then the remaining $16,500

[1:59:35] Voice 4: um is for new projects moving forward

[1:59:38] Voice 4: an

[1:59:39] Voice 8: excellent yes that's a really quick comment um I am one of those people who nerds out on

[1:59:45] Voice 8: an individual species. So, you know, I've got to hold a short-tailed snake and rubber boas and

[1:59:52] Voice 8: things like that. And

[1:59:53] Voice 8: that's very special to me. So when I, for example, so when I'm thinking about

[1:59:56] Voice 8: Trustee Smith's comment, and I too watched the...

[2:00:00] Voice 8: council members around the table and you know not too many of them are nerding up on those

[2:00:04] Voice 8: individual species so would it help if we said but here's a here's an interesting thing so that

[2:00:10] Voice 8: first photograph of the xerines fritillary is on ocean spray but the next photograph is on

[2:00:16] Voice 8: an invasive species a big bold thistle you know lovely blossom so what do we do what do we show

[2:00:23] Voice 8: them habitat with ocean spray that's totally disappearing or I just I just

[2:00:30] Voice 8: keep thinking in my head what do we show people that makes them think about the

[2:00:36] Voice 8: individual species that are part of that ecosystem that will soon be gone

[2:00:42] Voice 19: communication is one of the biggest tasks isn't it communicating well I like

[2:00:47] Voice 19: to think that any local government elected official makes a link to what

[2:00:54] Voice 19: they're actually responsible to do under the species at risk act i like to think that that's

[2:00:58] Voice 19: what they that's what they think about um and i'm sure some of those people do some people do make

[2:01:04] Voice 19: those connections um but you're right the storytelling is huge how we how we tell the

[2:01:09] Voice 19: stories and as a scientist i'm not always the best at that so um any ideas that you have we can take

[2:01:18] Voice 19: more time to tell stories for sure because you've

[2:01:20] Voice 19: already said you have a uh yes i do

[2:01:25] Voice 9: so going on what you said i think this is an opportunity to work with more indigenous

[2:01:30] Voice 9: communities and knowledge holders because our ecosystems like us as humans with ecosystems

[2:01:38] Voice 9: and everything around us everything is interconnected and it's not just a standalone

[2:01:43] Voice 9: alone thing yeah so i think that this is an opportunity to open that up a little bit more

[2:01:49] Trustee Gauvreau: amazing thanks so much i think looking at the time here i think we're gonna

[2:01:56] Trustee Gauvreau: move forward here like thank you so much for your time today and the

[2:02:00] Voice 16: excellent presentations

[2:02:01] Voice 16: thank

[2:02:02] Trustee Gauvreau: you i'm not that

[2:02:03] Trustee Gauvreau: excited when i was talking about okay yes

[2:02:09] Trustee Gauvreau: that was excellent great all right we're moving on to the next item which is course one it's

[2:02:17] Trustee Gauvreau: uh so we'll move on to 7.4 updates for information 7.4.1 public securement

[2:02:25] Trustee Gauvreau: project for sport of acquisitions are there any questions or comments from the board

[2:02:37] Trustee Gauvreau: 67 of the new updated agenda, or would it be page 66 of the one that wasn't updated?

[2:02:55] Voice 8: Trustee Yates, go ahead.

[2:02:57] Voice 8: Trustee Yates, question.

[2:02:59] Voice 8: question. Under NAPTEP

[2:03:01] Voice 8: covenants, I know two

[2:03:03] Voice 8: NAPTEP inquiries since last board

[2:03:05] Voice 8: meeting, one Galliano, one Ceturna.

[2:03:07] Voice 8: What about the one that we

[2:03:09] Voice 8: just bought from Maryland

[2:03:11] Voice 8: Lost? That's under active applications.

[2:03:13] Voice 8: Okay.

[2:03:14] Voice 8: Of

[2:03:14] Voice 18: course. Right here.

[2:03:17] Voice 18: It breaks my brain doing those numbers

[2:03:19] Voice 18: sometimes.

[2:03:20] Trustee Gauvreau: I'd be surprised.

[2:03:22] Trustee Gauvreau: Excellent.

[2:03:23] Trustee Gauvreau: Are there any other questions? We'll pause for a moment.

[2:03:25] Trustee Gauvreau: So board members can make.

[2:03:30] Trustee Gauvreau: Perfect. Oh,

[2:04:02] Voice 18: actually, I meant to give a verbal update.

[2:04:05] Voice 18: I knew there was something.

[2:04:08] Trustee Gauvreau: Which item, which page?

[2:04:09] Trustee Gauvreau: Just for, well, what page are we on?

[2:04:11] Trustee Gauvreau: Page 73.

[2:04:13] Trustee Gauvreau: Just for the, for

[2:04:16] Voice 18: Yaro Kunz's Naptap Covenant,

[2:04:19] Voice 18: we did get the appraisal result

[2:04:22] Voice 18: back on the value of the covenant.

[2:04:24] Voice 18: So we're proceeding just to the next steps with the ecological application.

[2:04:27] Voice 18: application um that will happen as soon as i get back from my trip

[2:04:31] Trustee Gauvreau: oh thank you very much

[2:04:38] Trustee Gauvreau: all right any other

[2:04:40] Trustee Gauvreau: questions from the board

[2:04:43] Trustee Gauvreau: i'm not seeing any we

[2:04:49] Voice 7: can move on

[2:04:50] Trustee Gauvreau: to uh 7.4.2 uh covenants which i think is kind of where we are

[2:04:56] Voice 18: yeah i'm sorry

[2:04:58] Trustee Gauvreau: i jumped in we can yeah that's it and then seeing that we're going to move on to

[2:05:04] Trustee Gauvreau: to the five-year plan, five-year update.

[2:05:06] Trustee Gauvreau: That'll get the boarders more positive for that.

[2:05:09] Trustee Gauvreau: Thank you.

[2:05:10] Trustee Gauvreau: We're good?

[2:05:11] Trustee Gauvreau: All right, we're gonna move on to 7.4.3,

[2:05:15] Trustee Gauvreau: five-year plan, verbal update.

[2:05:17] Trustee Gauvreau: I need that.

[2:05:18] Trustee Gauvreau: I imagine it's magic, too.

[2:05:20] Trustee Gauvreau: Oh!

[2:05:21] Trustee Gauvreau: Ah-huh.

[2:05:22] Trustee Gauvreau: Policy

[2:05:22] Voice 17: advisor Merrick, go ahead, please.

[2:05:24] Voice 17: Chair Govorel.

[2:05:25] Voice 17: Thank you for this opportunity to speak.

[2:05:28] Voice 17: This is the first time that I'm addressing the board

[2:05:32] Voice 17: in terms of the progress we've made and I'd like to adopt a standing report format so you can

[2:05:40] Voice 17: measure throughout your development of the plan how things are progressing. So the first item is

[2:05:48] Voice 17: past discussions and situating the discussion this morning. So the last time I spoke

[2:05:55] Voice 17: the logic model was approved with a few changes to the title and the charter and the three-phase

[2:06:03] Voice 17: work plan was approved. So what have we accomplished since then? This is the second

[2:06:11] Voice 17: part of the standing report, the actions accomplished to follow. So we held the

[2:06:17] Voice 17: the virtual information session for First Nations on the 19th of February, we had four nations

[2:06:25] Voice 17: attend. Two nations wanted to attend, but they had a conflict. So they've expressed interest.

[2:06:33] Voice 17: And five nations said that they didn't want to participate. And so that leaves approximately

[2:06:41] Voice 17: Approximately 20 nations that that didn't respond. One of those nations happens to be Comox First Nation and I'd like to go back to them and and be a little more directive in in my request to to work together on on the five year plan.

[2:07:01] Voice 17: I would say that the presentation was really well received there was lots of

[2:07:09] Voice 17: helpful steers of how we should approach the process and so the follow-up right now we're

[2:07:18] Voice 17: sending out the honoraria that we promised to the First Nations that participated

[2:07:26] Voice 17: has asked for quite a bit of additional information including a briefing note so we're doing that

[2:07:36] Voice 17: and we're going to provide maps and there's lots of provincial things that the government

[2:07:44] Voice 17: wants us to do so to keep a detailed communications log and engagement log so we're investing

[2:07:52] Voice 17: and making sure we get that admin right.

[2:07:56] Voice 17: So what's next?

[2:07:58] Voice 17: Because this is really the exciting part is looking to the future.

[2:08:04] Voice 17: A priority really now is engaging with the local conservancies

[2:08:10] Voice 17: because I think we're still a little bit behind on that.

[2:08:14] Voice 17: And then the board noted that when we presented the logic model.

[2:08:18] Voice 17: So that's a priority.

[2:08:20] Voice 17: we're moving from phase one to phase two in the in the work plan and so there are some

[2:08:26] Voice 17: very specific things we need to start to to deliver on so um and and mainly that's the

[2:08:35] Voice 17: cooperative activities that we said in the logic model we wanted to have activities that we could

[2:08:43] Voice 17: engage with the first nations and the conservancy managed nature reserves and one of the things we

[2:08:54] Voice 17: learned from the first nations was they have a limited bandwidth so if we can bring information

[2:09:00] Voice 17: back to them to critique it will will be much better than just um being ambiguous having too

[2:09:10] Voice 17: much ambiguity around what we're asking. So with this in mind I've gone through the nature reserves

[2:09:18] Voice 17: and I think that there are three islands in particular where there's a tremendous opportunity

[2:09:26] Voice 17: to work with First Nations on developing a framework for future decision making.

[2:09:37] Voice 17: And I think it aligns with the information we received in the virtual information session.

[2:09:46] Voice 17: And it's really focusing on a practical approach.

[2:09:50] Voice 17: And how this specifically ties in is the First Nations really emphasized coming up with a shared decision-making agreement.

[2:10:02] Voice 17: And if we don't trial it through an activity, I think we're going to have greater difficulty getting to the desired outcomes.

[2:10:12] Voice 5: And

[2:10:13] Voice 17: capacity funding was the other big thing that they really stressed.

[2:10:20] Voice 17: And then the last point is sharing information.

[2:10:27] Voice 17: And I think this being able to come and communicate to you what I'm hearing and then to receive your feedback, they aren't requesting so many in-person meetings because they're busy, but more virtual work.

[2:10:46] Voice 17: so if I can send them an update that I've met and briefed you it it helps to demonstrate

[2:10:55] Voice 17: that we're going through a process we're not not doing anything it's just a process that we need

[2:11:03] Voice 17: to follow I think it will show good respect so that's sort of the the in summary the key things

[2:11:14] Voice 17: we're working on are um linking up with the local conservancies and moving from phase one to phase

[2:11:24] Voice 17: two looking at the activities that we can engage with with the first nations that are interested

[2:11:30] Voice 17: in working with us and continuing to to communicate um that concludes the update thank

[2:11:38] Trustee Gauvreau: you very much

[2:11:39] Trustee Gauvreau: approach. I love this. The activities to the outcomes. I really like the planning and this

[2:11:47] Trustee Gauvreau: is good timing. Yeah. Any questions from the board? Any comments?

[2:11:57] Voice 8: Yes. I guess that's a

[2:11:58] Voice 8: question. So some of the First Nations who said they didn't want to participate at this

[2:12:04] Voice 8: time, does that just mean that they're kind of overloaded right now or that they trust

[2:12:09] Voice 8: trust that we're going in the right direction without them because you know our biggest concern

[2:12:14] Voice 8: always you know recently has been well let's not just present them with something for comment and

[2:12:19] Voice 8: it's already done you know let's make sure that they're with us right from the beginning as part

[2:12:24] Voice 8: of the planning and working so I am a little bit worried that oh maybe they're overloaded right now

[2:12:30] Voice 8: or um but then what if you know we just keep working on something and we don't include them

[2:12:36] Voice 8: until the end yeah

[2:12:38] Voice 17: I I think um I think one of the mistakes I'm finding it I would say it's

[2:12:47] Voice 17: actually a trap I can fall into quite easily is trying to create one model that will serve

[2:12:56] Voice 17: everyone

[2:12:57] Voice 1: and I'm

[2:12:58] Voice 17: finding the challenges you have some of the squalish and facial just engaging with

[2:13:06] Voice 17: with their staff, they're quite big and they have a lot of capacity and it's interesting getting

[2:13:13] Voice 17: their feedback. The nations, there are three nations in particular that said they don't want

[2:13:21] Voice 17: to participate and I think it's because they're really small and so the challenge for us I think

[2:13:30] Voice 17: is figuring out how do you make sure that those smaller nations get included when they just don't

[2:13:38] Voice 17: have the same force behind their voices that the bigger nations have. So the strategy we have right

[2:13:48] Voice 17: now is even though they don't want to participate directly, we'll still send out the framework for

[2:13:59] Voice 17: or comment so they won't get a final product we'll keep sending it and it's their choice

[2:14:07] Voice 17: they engage or send feedback and

[2:14:11] Voice 8: do you just quickly follow up is that partly due to the

[2:14:15] Voice 8: fact that they're just smaller or that they're lacking in capacity or perhaps a combination

[2:14:20] Voice 8: i think it's i

[2:14:21] Voice 17: think it's a combination and i think a couple of the first nations have said

[2:14:26] Voice 17: you have to understand how many referrals were

[2:14:30] Voice 8: getting

[2:14:31] Voice 17: 30 or 40 referrals so it's not that

[2:14:35] Voice 17: it's not important but they have to prioritize too okay

[2:14:40] Voice 4: and i i to add to that thank you

[2:14:44] Voice 4: is um each nation nation will respond in the way that they can and the invitation remains open

[2:14:52] Voice 4: at the entire time so there's there's really no end to this engagement we we say the five-year

[2:15:00] Voice 4: plan engagement but this is this is the initiation of a broader engagement and so respecting each

[2:15:08] Voice 4: nation's capacity and just continuing to provide information and continuing to invite and keep the

[2:15:13] Voice 4: doors open is is yeah where we're headed um thank

[2:15:18] Voice 4: you

[2:15:19] Voice 9: um i i understand that a lot of first nations

[2:15:23] Voice 9: are at capacity and there's this is a lot of work it's um and it's sometimes intimidating to come

[2:15:31] Voice 9: into these systems uh so i'm wondering is there like an ongoing effort to building and fostering

[2:15:41] Voice 9: relationships with these first nations and like not just oh hi i need you to check this i'm your

[2:15:47] Voice 9: your friend today here's an honoraria like it's not no

[2:15:50] Voice 17: my sorry

[2:15:51] Voice 9: I work in various systems that

[2:15:53] Voice 17: are like that yeah it's a it's a fair question and I would say um the the nations that attended

[2:16:03] Voice 17: the virtual information session it it was it was really positive there was there wasn't any

[2:16:11] Voice 17: any sort of barriers between communication and I found that the referral advisors

[2:16:22] Voice 17: were patient explaining things so you know it takes time and they they all have different

[2:16:30] Voice 17: systems of of that's why Seychelles asked for so much more information that they have a different

[2:16:38] Voice 17: um approval process that nala had it's it's a lot of it i think yeah it

[2:16:46] Voice 17: seems so it was really

[2:16:47] Voice 17: easy to to plug into them because i almost think that we're more similar in our structure um

[2:16:56] Voice 17: so i i and and even the the three smaller nations that they have one advisor that's helping them and

[2:17:08] Voice 17: And his letter was really nice when he said, you know, so what I think is going to happen because these nations have more resources that will really work on the framework with them and then send it to the smaller nations and then they can critique it.

[2:17:33] Voice 17: so I don't sense that we've created a process that's exclusive. I

[2:17:41] Voice 17: think there's a way to respect

[2:17:44] Voice 17: each of the different nations and I think we're building our knowledge too because then

[2:17:51] Voice 17: we're starting to get into different councils and some of the nations are aligned with

[2:18:01] Voice 17: percentage leadership and some aren't so we're going to have to refine our models

[2:18:08] Voice 17: i hope if you think that we're off track no

[2:18:17] Voice 9: i i feel like it's there's fumbling and learning as

[2:18:20] Voice 9: we go there's

[2:18:22] Voice 17: definitely yes yes i

[2:18:24] Voice 17: can tell you about some of the mistakes i've made yeah

[2:18:28] Trustee Gauvreau: process guide our thinking that's intention yeah that's wonderful um so for a minute right we're

[2:18:36] Trustee Gauvreau: gonna go to trustee smith first and stand and we'll go up to write your income and then to

[2:18:40] Trustee Gauvreau: measure to your own that's okay with everyone great uh

[2:18:44] Voice 15: yeah i i don't know who's speaking

[2:18:46] Voice 15: because i can't see who was making that presentation i only see the table so who's

[2:18:52] Voice 15: been speaking?

[2:18:54] Voice 17: That's Jill Merrick. Sorry, Trustee Smith. I don't know if you can see me now.

[2:18:59] Voice 15: Oh, hi. There you are. Okay, thanks. So you mentioned that so far you see three islands

[2:19:08] Voice 15: where there's some pretty good opportunities maybe to, you know, develop agreements and have

[2:19:15] Voice 15: an activity and work through a framework. Which were those three islands? And is that because

[2:19:20] Voice 15: Because those are the three islands where the different Indigenous groups are most engaged.

[2:19:28] Voice 13: I think it was three nations.

[2:19:31] Voice 4: We were speaking to...

[2:19:33] Voice 4: Yeah, I think there are opportunities on all the islands.

[2:19:37] Voice 4: We have kind of addressing a couple of the questions.

[2:19:42] Voice 4: Through activities and proposed activities, we've been speaking with nations, local conservancies.

[2:19:49] Voice 4: These are the relationships that are growing.

[2:19:51] Voice 4: um i don't know that we have three specific islands but we certainly have um ideas that we

[2:19:59] Voice 4: are working to promote and talk to i

[2:20:04] Voice 17: can do you want me to add sure good

[2:20:07] Voice 17: so i so trustee smith i

[2:20:10] Voice 17: can give you i i haven't had a chance to to present um all of the information um to manager

[2:20:20] Voice 17: or to Director Frater, but what I've done is I've looked at the nations that clearly expressed an interest in working with us.

[2:20:31] Voice 17: So those are six nations and looked at where their traditional territory is and then looked at where we have nature reserves.

[2:20:42] Voice 17: And so started to layer the information until I could come up with with a few potential opportunities.

[2:20:51] Voice 17: And I'm I'm just waiting to get a little more information before I can present it to my bosses.

[2:21:02] Voice 15: Thanks a lot. That's helpful. I did have one other sort of related question.

[2:21:07] Voice 15: So has there been any interest in like joint acquisitions or expanding the NAPTEP program to include IPCAs or something?

[2:21:23] Voice 15: I don't know, I'm just wondering if there's been any interest, or maybe we haven't even presented that, in the concept of joint acquisitions or expanding our current programs to somehow have joint properties that we either manage or acquire together or whatever.

[2:21:44] Voice 15: So the corollary of that is that for the ones that don't have capacity, is there interest in drawing on our capacity to manage their protected areas?

[2:21:58] Voice 17: I think that's, we'll get to that as we work through the plan.

[2:22:05] Voice 17: But we're not having that discussion yet.

[2:22:08] Voice 17: But in the letter that went out to the First Nations, it talked about acquisition and disposal.

[2:22:15] Voice 17: So the priority is, I think, figuring out what some type of management framework will look like, and then we'll be better placed to move into those discussions.

[2:22:31] Voice 17: But what the First Nations did, there seemed to be consensus that before we get into sort of the how, we need to have a deeper conversation about the philosophy and what we want this new framework to be.

[2:22:51] Voice 17: yeah uh

[2:22:54] Voice 5: director fader i'll

[2:22:56] Voice 11: just add to

[2:22:56] Voice 5: that that in the work we've done with nations in the past

[2:22:58] Voice 5: and there's such a diversity of views right we've got you know 27 to 30 nations and so they all have

[2:23:04] Voice 5: different perspectives on you know boy it's great if the conservancy could go protect lands that

[2:23:09] Voice 5: we're unable to for lack of resources through to we really don't think you should be acquiring

[2:23:13] Voice 5: lands in our territory like it's a it's been a broad selection of views um we have not had a

[2:23:19] Voice 5: nation come to us around anything to do with their own lands that i'm aware of i think it's really

[2:23:22] Voice 5: been a perspective on how we do our own work. I think that's to be expected as we go. I don't

[2:23:27] Voice 5: think there's going to be one answer, right? It's going to be working with these self-determined

[2:23:31] Voice 5: nations around what each perspective is that they hold, and then coming up with a plan that is

[2:23:36] Voice 5: generally satisfactory and bridges the sense of views as needed and works towards relationships,

[2:23:43] Voice 5: right? So as we move forward, we can be in relationship and then respond to the nation's

[2:23:48] Voice 5: priorities and its capacities in the way that works best for them that's the hope and what i

[2:23:53] Voice 5: would say for those who aren't weren't taking the trust council meeting council has supported us in

[2:23:57] Voice 5: doing that by funding a manager of indigenous relations for for islands trust and a part-time

[2:24:02] Voice 5: indigenous relations advisor position for the conservancy because it's hard to be in relationship

[2:24:08] Voice 5: when we can't hold up our end right and get and get beyond the referral transactional piece so i

[2:24:13] Voice 5: think we have hope that in the future we're going to do this in a more deep respectful you know

[2:24:17] Voice 5: collaborative way which has been difficult when we haven't had enough people um so i'll just add that

[2:24:25] Voice 7: yeah thank

[2:24:26] Voice 13: you chair governor um appreciate those perspectives and then thank you for the verbal

[2:24:31] Voice 13: update as well um i think one thing i'd like to offer is um you know for the board to support

[2:24:37] Voice 13: i'm glad those new positions are being established and maybe you know manager elliott could assist us

[2:24:41] Voice 13: even looking at the referral letters that are going out i know that we've looked at them but

[2:24:46] Voice 13: maybe we can refine them and we can provide support to define them or even myself i provide

[2:24:51] Voice 13: support but acknowledging how many referrals nations receive like maybe having a statement

[2:24:58] Voice 13: around that and and informing the nation itself that this type of referral coming from the island

[2:25:03] Voice 13: trust conservancy is not just like a one-time thing or short-term project prefacing that like

[2:25:11] Voice 13: we want a long-term relationship and understand capacity might be limited understand you receive

[2:25:16] Voice 13: you know up to you know 50 referrals a month but we want to establish a relationship and depending

[2:25:24] Voice 13: on understanding capacity limitations that this is the information we're sharing if you're on it

[2:25:29] Voice 13: if you're able to participate wonderful but also we would like to if you could have a meeting with

[2:25:34] Voice 13: us or just express to them that we want like a longer term relationship kind of what director

[2:25:40] Voice 13: refrigerator is saying maybe we kind of refine that referral letter a bit so it's up front like

[2:25:46] Voice 13: we're aware of their constraints and how many they receive and then that way when they're

[2:25:51] Voice 13: triaging referrals or if someone is looking at it a few weeks after the fact they receive it

[2:25:56] Voice 13: because they're so overwhelmed that kind of gives them a better um perception of what we're trying

[2:26:03] Voice 13: to come across or communicate and then maybe that will kind of at least have them be more open

[2:26:11] Voice 13: into having a relationship with an island trust or even having a meeting to even learn more instead

[2:26:16] Voice 13: of seeing it as a referral and just saying like we don't have the capacity even like this is too

[2:26:22] Voice 13: much and just kind of putting it to the side which is no one's fault but maybe we should just

[2:26:27] Voice 13: acknowledge that up front and say like we want a long-term relationship however you can engage

[2:26:32] Voice 13: and then I do appreciate the piece too like you know still sharing information even if they can't

[2:26:37] Voice 13: engage and they've respectfully said we're unable to engage but maybe we can refine that referral

[2:26:42] Voice 13: letter to kind of yeah it's highlighted that it's more of like sure we're addressing a specific

[2:26:50] Voice 13: issue or topic but I guess trying to tee it up for like developing that relationship if that

[2:26:57] Voice 13: that makes sense yeah it's not

[2:26:59] Voice 13: just a one-on yeah okay

[2:27:01] Voice 17: may i speak i'm not that that's a really um

[2:27:08] Voice 17: insightful comment i think because what one of the things i found it's not just the size of the

[2:27:17] Voice 17: nation but it's how you approach the nation too so some nations i can write to directly and other

[2:27:25] Voice 17: Other nations have a portal, but it's different than this nation's portal.

[2:27:31] Voice 17: So even how to approach, if you don't have someone to introduce you, you're really cold calling and you're in competition with big mining companies that want to do things in there.

[2:27:49] Voice 17: So it's almost something that could, when the new First Nations, the Indigenous positions are in place, to have a whole strategy of what does the board think the best method is to build these relationships and how can we rely on some of your contacts and your networks?

[2:28:17] Voice 17: I think

[2:28:18] Voice 4: it also brings us to these on-the-ground activities where it's important to get maybe to a point where we get beyond the referral system.

[2:28:31] Voice 16: And

[2:28:32] Voice 4: that will take time.

[2:28:34] Voice 4: You know, we are fortunate in that we're only in the information session phase one.

[2:28:39] Voice 4: We just finished that.

[2:28:40] Voice 4: We haven't even really started phase two yet.

[2:28:43] Voice 4: and I think it's going to be really interesting and good

[2:28:47] Voice 4: and we'll have opportunity to do activities on the ground,

[2:28:50] Voice 4: work together with nations, find their interests

[2:28:53] Voice 4: and move beyond that system in some cases.

[2:28:57] Trustee Gauvreau: I agree.

[2:28:58] Trustee Gauvreau: The referral process reform is near and dear to my heart.

[2:29:02] Trustee Gauvreau: The whole

[2:29:03] Trustee Gauvreau: culture of reform.

[2:29:04] Voice 17: We could be doing it.

[2:29:05] Trustee Gauvreau: We could be doing it.

[2:29:06] Trustee Gauvreau: Yeah.

[2:29:08] Trustee Gauvreau: One more comment and we're ready for lunch.

[2:29:10] Trustee Gauvreau: I believe lunch is going to be served pretty soon,

[2:29:13] Trustee Gauvreau: but I certainly don't want to shorten this wonderful conversation.

[2:29:16] Voice 3: So go ahead, Tracelia.

[2:29:17] Voice 3: Just in respect to how nations are requesting information to be conveyed.

[2:29:24] Voice 3: So what I'm hearing is a preference for digital and to a digital space.

[2:29:34] Voice 3: So I was thinking about this and looking at the ISAM OLAC

[2:29:40] Voice 3: is an organization that really foregrounds and creates information about how Indigenous protected

[2:29:49] Voice 3: and concerned areas can be developed and they

[2:29:53] Voice 3: have a knowledge basket and what I was looking at is

[2:29:57] Voice 3: whether it might make

[2:30:00] Voice 3: sense and we may need to put some communication dollars into it that rather than just a web page

[2:30:06] Voice 3: that's you know here's what the conservancy is um all the information that we're sharing with

[2:30:11] Voice 3: nations about

[2:30:12] Voice 3: their about our activities and their core territory is hosted in a an online

[2:30:18] Voice 3: repository that people can access at any time so that i think it's not just an email and then i

[2:30:24] Voice 3: forgot about it and then I have to go back to that email but that online repository where they could

[2:30:30] Voice 3: also look at comments from one another and sort of see how the knowledge is adding to each other's

[2:30:37] Voice 3: understanding is that possible um I don't know if the project is how how is the project capturing

[2:30:45] Voice 3: that information is it going to be accessible for the duration of the project

[2:30:50] Voice 17: it's we hadn't

[2:30:53] Voice 17: thought of that and i think it's a great suggestion and it allows um for trustee

[2:31:02] Voice 17: jervins and some of the information you shared about linking um the first nations idea of an

[2:31:12] Voice 17: ecosystem into what we're trying to do so doing a better job of matching things up because we're

[2:31:21] Voice 17: We're not all truly always even aware of that.

[2:31:26] Voice 17: And so any tool that's going to help expand knowledge,

[2:31:31] Voice 17: I think it's going to be helpful.

[2:31:33] Voice 17: So we can look into that and it shouldn't

[2:31:40] Voice 4: be impossible.

[2:31:42] Voice 4: No, absolutely.

[2:31:43] Voice 4: It's definitely something we have on our list.

[2:31:46] Voice 4: We're

[2:31:47] Trustee Gauvreau: still pretty high level on everything.

[2:31:48] Trustee Gauvreau: I think it's amazing to have this conversation at this stage.

[2:31:51] Trustee Gauvreau: Imagine the next conversation we have.

[2:31:54] Trustee Gauvreau: Wonderful.

[2:31:55] Trustee Gauvreau: Are there any more questions?

[2:31:57] Trustee Gauvreau: And I suggest we'll adjourn from lunch.

[2:31:59] Trustee Gauvreau: Not adjourn, but we'll take our lunch break.

[2:32:01] Trustee Gauvreau: We'll have one hour for lunch.

[2:32:04] Trustee Gauvreau: Any other comments?

[2:32:05] Trustee Gauvreau: I'd like to say thank you for that update.

[2:32:07] Trustee Gauvreau: Thank you very much.

[2:32:09] Trustee Gauvreau: Right on.

[2:32:10] Voice 3: So

[2:32:11] Trustee Gauvreau: we will take a one-hour lunch break, which will bring us to, what is that, 1.34?

[2:32:18] Trustee Gauvreau: floor

[2:32:18] Voice 7: and

[2:32:19] Trustee Gauvreau: then we'll return back for approximately 30 minutes and then we'll

[2:32:23] Voice 10: go in camera okay thank

[3:27:29] Voice 10: hi wendy are we reconvening a

[3:27:45] Voice 13: couple more minutes

[3:27:46] Voice 10: for those on this

[3:27:47] Voice 10: i think

[3:27:48] Voice 13: we're back at 1 35.

[3:27:49] Voice 10: i think we should

[3:31:57] Voice 10: all righty thank you very much welcome

[3:31:59] Trustee Gauvreau: back everyone um we are at item 7.4.4

[3:32:04] Trustee Gauvreau: which is executive committee verbal update over to you trustee uh

[3:32:07] Voice 3: thank you chair there

[3:32:11] Voice 3: really isn't much of substance to update on executive committee except

[3:32:18] Voice 3: that was actually a conversation with um manager terrell and it's about how we can support

[3:32:25] Voice 3: or better understanding of the Conservancy's work

[3:32:29] Voice 3: by other members of Trust Council.

[3:32:31] Voice 3: And so I will be bringing maybe a discussion

[3:32:38] Voice 3: back to Executive Committee about the fact

[3:32:41] Voice 3: that our agendas for LTC meetings

[3:32:43] Voice 3: are constructed with a section for reports.

[3:32:46] Voice 3: So there's often a Conservancy Board report section

[3:32:49] Voice 3: and we don't always see something there.

[3:32:51] Voice 3: I think there's a missing link

[3:32:52] Voice 3: I think that we could be providing more regular reports to LTCs and also maybe we can explore some, you know, if there's key updates from the Conservancy, can the manager or other staff be, you know, empowered to speak at an LTC meeting for a couple of minutes if it was something significant.

[3:33:14] Voice 3: So, I'd just like to see us work on improving awareness of the Conservancy's activities

[3:33:21] Voice 3: with LTCs, and so I was going to bring that back to the Executive Committee meeting.

[3:33:26] Voice 3: We've got one coming up next week.

[3:33:29] Voice 3: We also have a liaison meeting with, our joint meeting with Bowen Island Municipality, I

[3:33:35] Voice 3: believe it's April 1st.

[3:33:37] Voice 3: and so if there's anything conservancy related i can bring to the attention of bowen

[3:33:45] Voice 3: municipality we could consider adding on to the agenda um but i don't yeah i didn't really have

[3:33:53] Voice 3: any other significant updates thank

[3:33:54] Trustee Gauvreau: you thank you very much for that all right we'll move on to item

[3:33:57] Trustee Gauvreau: 7.4.5 which is a financial planning committee update over to you trustee oh thank you and i

[3:34:04] Voice 8: I have to say, I often forget that I have to give a formal update.

[3:34:10] Voice 8: It's not because I haven't attended these meetings, which I have, and I've taken extensive notes, and then I forget to make them into little reports.

[3:34:18] Voice 8: But we did have a financial planning committee meeting not long before Trust Council.

[3:34:23] Voice 8: We did come up with some recommendations for more cuts to the budget.

[3:34:28] Voice 8: We also asked staff if they could help us, and they certainly did.

[3:34:31] Voice 8: they tried to trim their budgets amazingly well um and i i mean i hope that the members of the

[3:34:41] Voice 8: financial planning committee are happy with council's decisions in the end

[3:34:46] Voice 8: to approve the

[3:34:47] Voice 8: budget um because we

[3:34:50] Voice 8: did add a couple of small things at council that we felt were very necessary

[3:34:54] Voice 8: um i almost felt at council as though well if you really wanted this program to go or to be cut

[3:35:02] Voice 8: so drastically why didn't you say something at financial planning committee or why didn't you

[3:35:07] Voice 8: send a recommendation in earlier before the last you know gasps of the trust council trying to

[3:35:14] Voice 8: trim this budget so desperately but um it was a good meeting um trustee um suelen fast is the

[3:35:24] Voice 8: chair and she moves that meeting right along so that's about all i can say for financial planning

[3:35:30] Voice 8: committee i'm glad to be on that committee because i'm always the one who says no we need more in

[3:35:36] Voice 8: person meetings no we need to support this no we need a biologist you know and i i realized

[3:35:43] Voice 8: and i know i am thinking of the taxpayer i am a taxpayer and i don't i'm not wealthy but i feel

[3:35:50] Voice 8: so strongly about supporting the islands trust and the conservancy with the budget it needs to

[3:35:56] Voice 8: to do the ongoing work and every time I see a position having to be cut or even curtailed

[3:36:03] Voice 8: I know that the work right then is like oh stop and go stop and go

[3:36:07] Voice 7: so

[3:36:09] Voice 8: I'm glad to be on that

[3:36:11] Voice 8: committee I'm probably the most maybe generous minded one when it comes to wanting to say yes

[3:36:21] Voice 8: to almost everything but i agreed to um you know two council meetings not being in person and that's

[3:36:31] Voice 8: my most favorite thing is to have in-person concession yes and that's a big concession

[3:36:37] Voice 8: but you know for me but it's also a really big budget item and it's a lot of work on the part

[3:36:43] Voice 8: of the staff and so i really

[3:36:45] Voice 3: recognize that it's also recognizing the value of in-person meetings

[3:36:50] Voice 3: towards the end of term we don't need them so much yeah

[3:36:54] Voice 8: yeah really important for the new term

[3:36:56] Voice 8: those people they need to get to know each other really well yeah yeah and i really recognize that

[3:37:02] Voice 8: yeah so yeah um that's all i have to say about financial planning committee thank you thank you

[3:37:09] Trustee Gauvreau: and i'm glad

[3:37:09] Voice 8: you're on that committee yeah

[3:37:10] Voice 8: all

[3:37:11] Trustee Gauvreau: right next up we are moving on to four point

[3:37:14] Trustee Gauvreau: oh sorry 7.4.6 or trust council verbal update that would

[3:37:20] Trustee Gauvreau: be all of us

[3:37:22] Trustee Gauvreau: and

[3:37:22] Voice 8: it was all about the budget this time

[3:37:25] Voice 8: yeah yeah it was great you know

[3:37:28] Voice 8: i would like to say

[3:37:29] Voice 8: that we spent too much time trying to trim the budget at the last minute when um

[3:37:37] Voice 8: when some of the people who were saying no to, I think, too many things,

[3:37:43] Voice 8: didn't show up at other meetings where they should have been saying no,

[3:37:48] Voice 8: they should have been saying, no, I don't agree with that.

[3:37:50] Voice 8: But coming in at the last minute at council and having us spend too much time

[3:37:56] Voice 8: in these really small cuts, yeah, I found that a bit distressing.

[3:38:01] Voice 10: but

[3:38:02] Voice 8: i'm very glad to say that was a two-thirds vote in favor of the budget yeah and it felt like

[3:38:07] Voice 8: yes we can move forward and especially the conservancy and i have to say for both council

[3:38:15] Voice 8: and the financial planning committee conservancy staff gives us some really good information

[3:38:22] Voice 8: beforehand reminding us look we already cut fifty eight thousand dollars you know we already did

[3:38:28] Voice 8: this we are you know yeah so I really appreciate that yeah

[3:38:34] Trustee Gauvreau: yeah and

[3:38:37] Trustee Gauvreau: yeah I felt the same too I

[3:38:39] Trustee Gauvreau: think with the um the proposed uh reductions to ITC budget at the day was uh framed came across

[3:38:48] Trustee Gauvreau: as an argument when which it could have been a discussion all along so that we can come to an

[3:38:54] Trustee Gauvreau: understanding of what the priorities are so that the council understands what our priorities are

[3:39:00] Trustee Gauvreau: it's definitely

[3:39:00] Trustee Gauvreau: hindsight is 20-20

[3:39:02] Trustee Gauvreau: that's something to look at

[3:39:04] Trustee Gauvreau: maybe going forward

[3:39:05] Trustee Gauvreau: with the next term

[3:39:06] Trustee Gauvreau: I think

[3:39:08] Voice 8: we've talked about this

[3:39:10] Voice 8: and so has Trustee Elliott

[3:39:11] Voice 8: the fact that some council members

[3:39:14] Voice 8: still see the Islands Trust

[3:39:16] Voice 8: as separate from the

[3:39:18] Voice 8: Islands Trust Conservancy

[3:39:20] Voice 8: in every way

[3:39:21] Voice 8: not just the fact that we do have our own budget

[3:39:24] Voice 8: and we do have our own board

[3:39:27] Voice 8: but I

[3:39:27] Voice 8: I just don't really, I find it quite distressing that we're not,

[3:39:33] Voice 8: I don't feel we're getting full support from council.

[3:39:39] Voice 3: This is something that I think our board should consider

[3:39:43] Voice 3: about a strategy for improving going into next term.

[3:39:47] Voice 3: Because I don't think it's actually on individual trustees.

[3:39:51] Voice 3: There are some who are ideologically just not supportive

[3:39:54] Voice 3: or don't understand conservation generally.

[3:39:57] Voice 3: yeah um but i think it's a there's been a bit of a siloing in the work and council

[3:40:05] Voice 3: even though we're providing regular reports even though there's quarterly reports and

[3:40:10] Voice 3: there isn't the storytelling going on about how preserving and protecting areas and the

[3:40:19] Voice 3: ecological monitoring and all the work that we do upholds the mandate and it's certainly not

[3:40:24] Voice 3: the perspective of the province or anybody who's involved in the conservancy they see the value

[3:40:29] Voice 3: it's i think we're not doing storytelling to our own council and it breaks down at the budget

[3:40:35] Voice 3: discussion because there's almost no other linkages in the work plan yeah there just isn't

[3:40:41] Voice 3: and so yes we're on the three of us on council and we speak strongly for the conservancy but

[3:40:48] Voice 3: but I just wonder how we can do a better job

[3:40:53] Voice 3: of linking the Conservancy back to Trust Council

[3:40:58] Voice 3: so it doesn't seem like such a separate body.

[3:41:02] Voice 8: Yeah, I know one thing that I feel has made a difference

[3:41:04] Voice 8: is that Chair Patrick has made a point

[3:41:06] Voice 8: of inviting Island's Trust Conservancy board members to Council.

[3:41:11] Voice 8: I think that's really important, really important.

[3:41:14] Voice 8: Yeah, yeah.

[3:41:17] Voice 8: Yeah, that definitely, I hope that can happen with the online meetings as well.

[3:41:22] Voice 8: Yeah,

[3:41:23] Trustee Gauvreau: that's what we discussed at Council.

[3:41:28] Trustee Gauvreau: I think that was basically a meeting about the budget.

[3:41:31] Trustee Gauvreau: It was, yeah.

[3:41:32] Trustee Gauvreau: And excellent presentations from Patricia Woodruff and from Erica.

[3:41:38] Trustee Gauvreau: Heartbreaking.

[3:41:39] Trustee Gauvreau: Right after, yeah.

[3:41:40] Trustee Gauvreau: Yeah, that was very, very good presentations over the scope of the work.

[3:41:44] Trustee Gauvreau: um the biologist wants to know that was excellent yeah i learned a lot yeah

[3:41:51] Voice 13: is there any balance between like the storytelling we're doing and also the onus on

[3:41:56] Voice 13: them to be interested in like is there more of a reciprocal relationship that needs to be there or

[3:42:04] Voice 13: is it well

[3:42:05] Voice 3: it's very tough because

[3:42:06] Voice 13: i don't speak on people's behalf but i'm just trying to

[3:42:08] Voice 13: understand trustees

[3:42:09] Voice 3: wear two hats one is the council is the federation perspective

[3:42:14] Voice 3: And the

[3:42:15] Voice 3: other is their local trust committee, which is an autonomous government. And so

[3:42:19] Voice 3: you already have quite a lot on your plate with those two responsibilities. And that is why the Conservancy Board makes decisions about conservancy work.

[3:42:29] Voice 3: work um

[3:42:30] Voice 3: so yes i think in the past there's been trustees who were much more aware they're maybe

[3:42:36] Voice 3: on conservancies in their local trust area where they founded conservancies and that's kind of

[3:42:43] Voice 3: their background so they're naturally more interested in it but this this round of council

[3:42:48] Voice 3: was a very different group and half were elected to kind of bring some change and cut the budget

[3:42:55] Voice 3: it and and actually to their credit they think that their own local conservancy some of them

[3:43:01] Voice 3: are doing a really good job and so they don't see the need for a federation or a regional

[3:43:06] Voice 3: conservancy of the profile that island stress conservancy is because they don't have the

[3:43:11] Voice 3: history of the background they might be tied in their local conservancy so it's yeah i think it

[3:43:18] Voice 3: was just just some thinking about how do we tell the stories but this will come back to the i

[3:43:24] Voice 3: hopefully can my little mapping project could perhaps illustrate um how we can make those

[3:43:30] Voice 3: stronger yeah uh

[3:43:33] Trustee Gauvreau: the storytelling is something i've really taken the heart

[3:43:36] Trustee Gauvreau: in the last while with the idc it's a good story it is

[3:43:41] Trustee Gauvreau: yeah it's easy to talk about

[3:43:43] Trustee Gauvreau: uh any other updates from trust council i

[3:43:47] Voice 8: think that's probably pretty oh we should say we it was

[3:43:50] Voice 8: at the Cowichan Cultural Centre.

[3:43:52] Voice 8: What a dream that was.

[3:43:55] Voice 1: Oh my

[3:43:55] Voice 8: God, the venue.

[3:43:56] Voice 8: Yeah, right on the Cowichan River.

[3:43:58] Voice 8: Oh my goodness.

[3:43:59] Voice 3: That's for the

[3:43:59] Voice 8: council meeting.

[3:44:01] Voice 3: That's wonderful.

[3:44:02] Voice 11: Yeah,

[3:44:03] Voice 3: it's a big hall.

[3:44:04] Voice 11: Colmey Aiken.

[3:44:06] Voice 3: And Chief Cindy Daniels

[3:44:08] Voice 3: welcomed us.

[3:44:10] Voice 3: Oh wow, that's wonderful.

[3:44:12] Voice 9: She's very nice.

[3:44:15] Voice 3: Oh, we should

[3:44:16] Voice 3: say that council did sign

[3:44:18] Voice 3: sign on to the joint call. This is something we should consider. Sorry to interrupt, Chair.

[3:44:24] Voice 3: BC must recommit to meaningful implementation of the UN Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous

[3:44:29] Voice 3: Peoples and the Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act. So there was a late

[3:44:34] Voice 3: motion brought forward. I can send you the link if anybody wants it. West Coast Environmental Law,

[3:44:41] Voice 3: there's many local governments and individual people signing on. So council agreed to have

[3:44:47] of

[3:44:47] Voice 3: chair patrick um sign on to that call oh

[3:44:52] Voice 17: good yeah yep good

[3:44:53] Trustee Gauvreau: um yeah it was a particularly um

[3:44:56] Trustee Gauvreau: important i felt um opening to the trust council meeting with chair patrick with with um a chief

[3:45:03] Trustee Gauvreau: yeah um chair patrick was saying how um it was all the rhetoric happening in the world today

[3:45:11] Trustee Gauvreau: and the collection tries putting out their statement that that we stand as council we stand

[3:45:17] Trustee Gauvreau: with them and we all physically stood up oh good yeah as a council and staff as well it was very

[3:45:26] Trustee Gauvreau: yeah it

[3:45:26] Voice 7: was

[3:45:28] Trustee Gauvreau: very well done i said to patrick wonderful

[3:45:30] Trustee Gauvreau: job like i said

[3:45:31] Trustee Gauvreau: uh chief daniels as

[3:45:33] Trustee Gauvreau: well had another person with them as well um because they both at some point for some

[3:45:38] Trustee Gauvreau: maybe she needs practice public speaking and i just really like that transfer

[3:45:53] Trustee Gauvreau: Yeah, I took a picture of the water looking out the window, and I said to Janine, actually.

[3:45:59] Trustee Gauvreau: Yeah, exactly where I was

[3:46:00] Voice 9: standing. So yeah, we hold our Indigenous education meetings there, so

[3:46:05] Voice 9: So, Basanich, Malahat, and Cowarton, like, Havall, and Ellicott, everyone, they all come there, and we go, we travel, and meet everyone there.

[3:46:17] Voice 9: Yeah, so it's, it's quite lovely, and sometimes we get distracted by the squirrels, you know.

[3:46:22] Voice 9: Yep, objecting their territory.

[3:46:24] Voice 16: Yeah.

[3:46:26] Voice 9: That's really sweet.

[3:46:26] Voice 9: Yeah.

[3:46:27] Trustee Gauvreau: It's

[3:46:28] Voice 9: a good place, it's got good energy.

[3:46:30] Trustee Gauvreau: Yes.

[3:46:30] Trustee Gauvreau: All right, anything else?

[3:46:31] Trustee Gauvreau: We'll move on.

[3:46:32] Trustee Gauvreau: We'll get the time here.

[3:46:34] Trustee Gauvreau: Next up, the Oath Governance Committee.

[3:46:35] Trustee Gauvreau: it's uh yeah uh 7.4.7 that's me our last meeting was uh february 17th much of our

[3:46:42] Trustee Gauvreau: it was important really interesting meeting we met with uh paul murray of breadwood advisory

[3:46:48] Trustee Gauvreau: we were discussing the remuneration for trustees as well which is a topic you know we weren't

[3:46:55] Trustee Gauvreau: discussing it as pertaining to ourselves or for next term um so we looked over um recommendations

[3:47:02] Trustee Gauvreau: nations make any changes to policy um yeah it was a really great presentation very thorough

[3:47:10] Trustee Gauvreau: review and we endorsed the uh one of the options and recommended to trust council

[3:47:16] Trustee Gauvreau: and that was accepted by trust council and i'm happy to

[3:47:20] Trustee Gauvreau: say that was that work was a

[3:47:22] Trustee Gauvreau: long time coming from the government's committee and successful um yeah i will

[3:47:28] Trustee Gauvreau: leave that there. Next up is a late item, I believe. Yes, it is.

[3:47:35] Trustee Gauvreau: 7.4.8. And that's the ITC

[3:47:38] Trustee Gauvreau: budget report. Which is in the agenda now, the updated agenda. It's in the agenda now. And that

[3:47:44] Trustee Gauvreau: And that is number, page 76, page 76, sorry.

[3:47:51] Voice 7: Oh, I'm looking at it, yeah, page 76.

[3:47:58] Voice 7: Any questions for this

[3:48:13] Trustee Gauvreau: certified year at Snapshot?

[3:48:15] Trustee Gauvreau: Right, yeah.

[3:48:19] Voice 7: And yeah,

[3:48:20] Trustee Gauvreau: showing what they're still committed to.

[3:48:23] Trustee Gauvreau: Any comments from staff on this one?

[3:48:28] Trustee Gauvreau: More information or access, anything?

[3:48:33] Trustee Gauvreau: Thanks.

[3:48:34] Voice 4: I'm happy to answer questions. There is one transaction that didn't happen. When we received a donation, the board received a donation back in 2022 for the Tempest bequest.

[3:49:01] Voice 4: it was the resolution was to allocate 25,000 of that donation to the Covenant

[3:49:09] Voice 4: and Defense Fund which did not happen so that is in transaction right now so you

[3:49:16] Voice 4: see the numbers here reflect that transfer of funds okay

[3:49:23] Trustee Gauvreau: everyone clear

[3:49:25] Trustee Gauvreau: there. Any questions or comments? And I shall move on to our 7.4.9 on Trust Assurancy Fourth

[3:49:39] Trustee Gauvreau: Quarter. Opportunities. I

[3:49:47] Trustee Gauvreau: had opportunity last year to visit at LTC meetings to deliver this

[3:49:53] Trustee Gauvreau: report in person. And I tell you, it was wonderful. It's a great opportunity to get out there and

[3:49:58] Trustee Gauvreau: Oh, there's 40 going. This one's quite long.

[3:50:03] Trustee Gauvreau: Yeah,

[3:50:03] Voice 4: they're getting longer.

[3:50:06] Trustee Gauvreau: I guess that might mean we're doing more.

[3:50:09] Trustee Gauvreau: Yeah, I did ask you, so I did get a request

[3:50:14] Trustee Gauvreau: to give an update again at another

[3:50:17] Trustee Gauvreau: LTC meeting coming up, but I can't, I have another appointment, so I can't do it that day.

[3:50:22] Trustee Gauvreau: But I told them the next one, so I intend to, for the rate of my

[3:50:26] Trustee Gauvreau: term uh be given the report slide again i think it's important so

[3:50:30] Voice 3: can we should we by resolution

[3:50:33] Voice 3: ask to forward the fourth quarter update to all the ltc agendas because

[3:50:38] Voice 4: it is that's not happening

[3:50:40] Voice 3: yes we should

[3:50:41] Voice 3: is that what's it's not been happening regularly it sometimes appears

[3:50:45] Voice 3: sometimes there's none and that's just we could direct it but i think there's just a

[3:50:52] Voice 3: the timing

[3:50:52] Voice 4: of the meetings but that's my understanding was that summaries of the

[3:50:58] Voice 4: board meetings go to ltcs and not the quarterly report goes directly to trust council yeah so

[3:51:04] Voice 4: i've never seen a summary no board meetings at five ltcs that i know we were just

[3:51:11] Voice 4: discussing

[3:51:13] Voice 4: this

[3:51:13] Voice 5: yeah just did a spot check of different agendas different offices may be doing it

[3:51:17] Voice 5: differently so i just did a spot check of our tender which has had them consistently and then

[3:51:21] Voice 5: different ltc has not so it may be a different yeah i

[3:51:25] Voice 3: don't think galliano

[3:51:25] Voice 5: ltc they're there

[3:51:27] Trustee Gauvreau: they're on urgent yeah

[3:51:29] Voice 3: so this should be a director of legislative services

[3:51:31] Voice 3: action i'll bring it up the executive committee i think that's the right place because we are

[3:51:36] Voice 3: trying to work towards synergizing the agenda formats some of them are different they have

[3:51:41] Voice 3: two channel homes they call it a town hall for some public participation but we've never seen

[3:51:46] Voice 3: a report that's certain

[3:51:49] Voice 8: no we give them

[3:51:49] Voice 3: ourselves we give them but that is

[3:51:51] Voice 3: not what that's for it's

[3:51:52] Voice 3: a staff it's a

[3:51:53] Voice 3: it's a report from the department it shouldn't be from trustees

[3:51:57] Voice 8: and on our agenda

[3:51:58] Voice 8: there's always a note um i was just conservancy's report yeah but if we weren't there it wouldn't

[3:52:06] Voice 8: happen yeah

[3:52:06] Trustee Gauvreau: i found it into the issue that i'd be asked to do an ltc report and i'd report an ltc

[3:52:11] Trustee Gauvreau: but it's still the same one i'd be saying the same report again i

[3:52:15] Trustee Gauvreau: found the timing was kind

[3:52:16] Trustee Gauvreau: of money once in a while as well it didn't line up with a fresh report each ltc for every island

[3:52:22] Voice 3: yeah and sometimes the heron has appeared i just like i just i just

[3:52:27] Voice 3: saw this it was like

[3:52:28] Voice 3: the entire edition of the heron was in the agenda it was just it's all fit so so random

[3:52:33] Voice 3: so i think we need to work on that oh um i've got an email in it

[3:52:36] Trustee Gauvreau: yes oh like i said to you i'll

[3:52:38] Trustee Gauvreau: help with the uh trying to if there's a report i will attend the ltc it'll be great to get the

[3:52:46] Trustee Gauvreau: Okay.

[3:52:46] Voice 5: Yes, trust. So some

[3:52:48] Voice 5: direction would be helpful, your feedback. I mean, the thought was

[3:52:50] Voice 5: that every trustee has seen the quarterly report to trust council on the council agendas. Is it

[3:52:56] Voice 5: worth sending again to be discussed at the LTC level is the question. We'd like your feedback

[3:53:01] Voice 5: on that. We had been sending out decision highlights. I mean, it got a bit delayed towards

[3:53:05] Voice 5: the end of this year because the communication position was vacant. But, you know, is that

[3:53:09] Voice 5: worthwhile to give a sort of fresh update every time you have a board meeting to send the meeting

[3:53:13] Voice 1: meeting

[3:53:13] Voice 5: highlights to um the ltc agendas recognizing there are minutes that come out

[3:53:18] Voice 5: there to go on the website what would be useful in those ltc agendas with regard to staff attending

[3:53:24] Voice 5: to um provide a verbal report at the meeting that's a pretty onerous with the number of ltc

[3:53:29] Voice 5: meetings going on all the time so i think it's hoped that the vice chair of executive committee

[3:53:34] Voice 5: could fill that space i think because i think we'd spend too much staff time attending 13 ltc's

[3:53:40] Voice 5: every two months um but

[3:53:41] Voice 5: certainly the vice chair of the meeting i hope by proxy could provide that

[3:53:44] Voice 5: or identify if there's a moment where it really is worthwhile asking staff to go and speak to the

[3:53:49] Voice 5: report yeah

[3:53:50] Voice 3: i i wasn't i'm thinking that if there's a if the legislative clerks are putting

[3:53:56] Voice 3: together the agendas can go to a conservancy and whether there's the quarterly whether there's

[3:54:01] Voice 3: highlights in there or the quarterly reports the most recent don't create new work but something

[3:54:07] Voice 3: thing should be pulled from that folder to land on our agenda i think that's maybe

[3:54:13] Voice 8: highlights i

[3:54:14] Voice 8: mean sometimes this might be a bit too long but maybe just the highlights even and then we speak

[3:54:19] Voice 8: to that like i guess we're lucky with the gabriola ltc because two of us are on

[3:54:23] Voice 3: galliano and gabriel

[3:54:24] Voice 3: are lucky but none of the other

[3:54:26] Voice 3: islands are here yeah we're

[3:54:28] Trustee Gauvreau: lucky with you too i've seen your

[3:54:29] Trustee Gauvreau: updates yeah your um historians i think chair patrick has called you historical records of

[3:54:36] Trustee Gauvreau: Gabriela and he's planning. Well done.

[3:54:38] Trustee Gauvreau: Yes, Madam Chair.

[3:54:40] Voice 4: Thank you.

[3:54:41] Voice 4: I'm again asking for clarity on two different things we're talking about.

[3:54:45] Voice 4: I think is is decision highlights and staff updates.

[3:54:49] Voice 4: So we have the quarterly report, which is what we produce for staff updates.

[3:54:53] Voice 4: And we have a summary template that we use to provide

[3:54:57] Voice 4: sorry decision decision highlights for board meetings.

[3:55:01] Voice 4: So those are two different things.

[3:55:04] Voice 4: I think it would be important to clarify which of those yeah guidance on direction on which of those

[3:55:11] Voice 4: are should be at LTC meetings or

[3:55:14] Voice 3: I don't think the decision highlights are that useful because

[3:55:17] Voice 3: it's a record of the meeting and so some LTCs meet every four months right they're not going

[3:55:24] Voice 3: to be interested in you know you move this amount of money from this one to that one

[3:55:29] Voice 3: but the public doesn't see these they don't read through 700 pages of agendas for

[3:55:34] Voice 3: conservancy information and trustees are not bringing that back to their LTC so I think the

[3:55:42] Voice 3: best way is that if a quarterly update is fairly recent that gets posted if there's a decision

[3:55:50] Voice 3: highlight it's like that's fine but I think this is the more valuable information for the

[3:55:55] Voice 3: constituents who are only seeing an agenda every three months or four months personally

[3:56:02] Voice 5: should the board agree with that it would be great to have a motion okay that we can have

[3:56:05] Voice 5: on the record that you direct staff to share the trust council quarterly so

[3:56:09] Trustee Gauvreau: it'd be four times a

[3:56:10] Trustee Gauvreau: year that it would end up in the lpc's agenda yeah so

[3:56:15] Trustee Gauvreau: we could make a motion that uh that happens

[3:56:18] Trustee Gauvreau: right now for this one in particular because we are sort of near the end of term would that be

[3:56:25] Trustee Gauvreau: more regular i'm trying to think of what's pragmatically or practically used yeah we

[3:56:30] Voice 5: could certainly yeah we could send it after we said i think after it's received by council

[3:56:33] Voice 5: that's what we do with bone island is after council's received it then we forward it out to

[3:56:36] Voice 5: the other body for good

[3:56:38] Voice 16: so if

[3:56:38] Voice 5: you pass motion to that effect i would encourage you to include bone

[3:56:41] Voice 5: municipality as well okay

[3:56:43] Voice 3: so at the itc report to trust council um order updates be provided

[3:56:56] Voice 3: to lpcs and the conservancy report agenda

[3:57:03] Voice 3: yeah something a

[3:57:08] Voice 3: communication policy like something that we should be

[3:57:10] Voice 3: the receipt

[3:57:13] Voice 3: I'm just, I'll send this to you

[3:57:14] Voice 3: at least I'm not mumbling

[3:57:17] Voice 11: so

[3:57:18] Voice 3: something like

[3:57:19] Voice 3: that the Trust Conservancy

[3:57:21] Voice 3: Board move

[3:57:23] Voice 3: request staff

[3:57:24] Voice 3: that the ITC report

[3:57:26] Voice 3: that the ITC

[3:57:28] Voice 3: quarter updates to Trust Council

[3:57:32] Trustee Gauvreau: be forwarded to local

[3:57:34] Trustee Gauvreau: trust committees

[3:57:34] Trustee Gauvreau: to

[3:57:36] Voice 3: Trust Council, be forwarded to

[3:57:38] Voice 3: local trust committees

[3:57:40] Voice 3: for the Conservancy Report agenda item

[3:57:44] Voice 3: following the Received Trust Counseling.

[3:57:47] Voice 3: It's Received Trust Counseling.

[3:57:50] Voice 3: That's a good point.

[3:57:51] Voice 3: The Received Trust Counseling will be added to the OTC.

[3:57:58] Voice 3: Okay.

[3:58:00] Voice 3: Do you want me to read it again?

[3:58:04] Voice 4: Yeah, go ahead.

[3:58:05] Voice 3: Sorry, Lisa.

[3:58:07] Voice 3: She's done a screen sharing.

[3:58:09] Voice 3: The OTC Code of Report before digital trust committees

[3:58:11] Voice 3: and then i would say after that following its receipt at trust council

[3:58:23] Voice 7: so

[3:58:24] Voice 3: it's just it's happening after trust councils receive the updates following their receipt

[3:58:30] Voice 3: following

[3:58:30] Voice 8: we're talking about a plural there quarterly updates yep

[3:58:35] Voice 3: lisa could you add just

[3:58:38] Voice 3: at the end there comma following their receipt at trust council it's actually

[3:58:48] Voice 16: singular is that

[3:58:50] Voice 3: to and so we need to change request staff to forward or forward the itc quarterly updates

[3:58:58] Voice 3: to trust council to local trust committees comma for the conservancy report agenda item

[3:59:09] Voice 13: and do we need to define tc in our minutes for these motions or is that just understood

[3:59:15] Voice 13: to sort of fix it up okay gotcha sorry yep

[3:59:20] Voice 5: comments from staff i'd say i would encourage

[3:59:23] Voice 5: you to add in bowen island municipality yes thank you

[3:59:26] Voice 13: thank you very

[3:59:27] Voice 5: much i would also note i think

[3:59:28] Voice 5: update should be singular because it is just one report that you receive or just take yeah okay

[3:59:34] Voice 5: now it's good to save that okay and

[3:59:36] Voice 4: then it would be following

[3:59:36] Voice 5: its receipt at trust council

[3:59:41] Voice 13: and remind me again

[3:59:43] Voice 13: is bowen island not have a lots of trust committee is that why we're

[3:59:47] Voice 13: they

[3:59:48] Voice 3: are in the middle so they do the planning services whereas our local

[3:59:52] Voice 3: companies do planning

[3:59:53] Voice 3: so they are only part of the they're probably the most operations administration

[4:00:02] Voice 3: are we

[4:00:03] Trustee Gauvreau: feeling bored i appreciate that yeah positive grammar grammar is excellent

[4:00:09] Voice 7: we'll

[4:00:09] Trustee Gauvreau: see elliot um looking for any recommendations staff does this satisfy the

[4:00:14] Trustee Gauvreau: i think you're fine so that's factory

[4:00:20] Trustee Gauvreau: thank you thank you thank you very much all right

[4:00:23] Trustee Gauvreau: uh moved by trustee elliot and then i will be looking for a seconder okay second by trustee

[4:00:29] Trustee Gauvreau: eights and

[4:00:31] Trustee Gauvreau: i should call the vote all in favor

[4:00:33] Voice 7: all in

[4:00:35] Trustee Gauvreau: favor that motion carries thank you i also

[4:00:41] Voice 13: have a silly question um is trust council aligned with like the provincial voting terms or yes

[4:00:50] Voice 11: municipal

[4:00:51] Voice 13: elections or minus it's

[4:00:53] Voice 13: municipal right yeah so

[4:00:55] Voice 13: the this fall is municipal

[4:01:00] Voice 13: the leadership will change for our trust and the school board trustees and school board

[4:01:04] Voice 13: trustees that's right

[4:01:05] Voice 13: yeah all

[4:01:07] Trustee Gauvreau: right so we are anything else on the quarterly report

[4:01:12] Voice 17: excellent excellent

[4:01:14] Voice 17: thank you good job amazing

[4:01:16] Trustee Gauvreau: it's a small but mighty

[4:01:20] Trustee Gauvreau: okay we have item number eight public comments and delegations seeing none that brings us to

[4:01:24] Trustee Gauvreau: new business and i turn it forward for discussion item um thank you

[4:01:31] Voice 3: chair for including this i will

[4:01:33] Voice 3: try to be brief um so my discussion item acknowledging the conservancy as a growth

[4:01:39] Voice 3: conservancy growth model and in order to develop a strategy for long-term sustainable funding that

[4:01:50] Voice 3: that isn't solely in the, that isn't, you know,

[4:01:57] Voice 3: majorly funded by taxpayers in the trust region.

[4:02:00] Voice 3: So we heard a lot of feedback at Trust Council.

[4:02:04] Voice 3: This board has seen multiple requests to review its budget and try to cut.

[4:02:09] Voice 3: And I think we're reaching a threshold of sort of how much we can grow to

[4:02:15] Voice 3: and how the tolerance for tax increases, we're sort of reaching a limit.

[4:02:20] Voice 3: So it has been suggested before, I'm not the first to come up with this idea, that a conservancy growth model

[4:02:27] Voice 11: would

[4:02:28] Voice 3: be beneficial to estimate the growth of the conservancy over time, not just in terms of number of properties, but the complexity of the properties that we are managing.

[4:02:39] Voice 3: Now we have, you know, consideration of Indigenous cultural heritage, archaeological monitoring, having cultural monitors on site. This is a big jump from ecosystem mapping that's been done traditionally. So there's complexity to consider as well as size.

[4:02:59] Voice 3: And so I started thinking about, well, if taxpayers are reaching a threshold of they can only support so much growth, but let's say the Conservancy and First Nations partners and the province wants to see more growth to meet, let's say, the 30 by 30 target.

[4:03:20] Voice 3: it. We're currently at 21% of lands in the trust area are protected. If we're to reach 30%,

[4:03:30] Voice 3: which is the province's line long for that, there's going to be quite a big jump and we could

[4:03:35] Voice 3: accept a lot more lands if we had the capacity to manage them. And so we're always running up

[4:03:41] Voice 3: against this. It's called a success to the successful model. The more successful you are,

[4:03:48] Voice 3: the more attention you attract the more donors want to give land because they see that you're

[4:03:54] Voice 3: doing a good job and the more management costs and operational costs are going to increase

[4:03:59] Voice 3: so i i modeled this out my background is a little bit in systems thinking that's kind of what i

[4:04:06] Voice 3: learned in school so i'm just going to share a very basic map if i can find you

[4:04:15] Voice 3: the jillions of pages there it is um so i made this one in plectica it's not that elegant i can

[4:04:21] Voice 3: do it in um in another um module and so basically you can see on this side there's uh it's called a

[4:04:33] Voice 3: virtuous growth cycle and this is what i was describing um successful conservation which is

[4:04:39] Voice 3: is the upholding of the Islands Trust mandate, will lead to more acquisition of resources,

[4:04:45] Voice 3: lands, and money, donations, which we've seen.

[4:04:49] Voice 3: And as this grows, public and donor confidence grows, which leads to also more acquisition

[4:04:56] Voice 3: of land.

[4:04:56] Voice 3: So this is kind of, it's called a reinforcing loop in which the more lands we get, the better

[4:05:01] Voice 3: we manage them, the more we're achieving the goals of the mandate.

[4:05:06] Voice 3: And so this is going to grow.

[4:05:08] Voice 3: That's great.

[4:05:09] Voice 3: But then on this side, we see, this is called a management drag loop, that the management burden, as in, like the number of files and properties and obligations, will increase as we get more successful.

[4:05:25] Voice 3: And this leads to more maintenance, operational costs, staff, legal, admin.

[4:05:30] Voice 3: This leads to greater budgets, and this can create taxpayer resistance.

[4:05:34] Voice 3: resistance. So I won't get into the nitty gritty, but there's a bunch of equations that can come up

[4:05:43] Voice 3: with. But the basic premise is that you can only grow so much before you hit a capacity wall

[4:05:48] Voice 3: where it's not going to be tolerated necessarily. It may be. Maybe taxpayers in the trust area want

[4:05:57] Voice 3: to keep funding operations indefinitely um it's but you kind of will reach a threshold which i

[4:06:04] Voice 3: think we're starting to experience and so here we've got you know this is just very briefly

[4:06:11] Voice 3: the funding sources for 2025 26 out of 1.6 million dollars in approved budget 1.44 million was

[4:06:18] Voice 3: island stress contribution that is um tax funding so even if we get grants that can increase our

[4:06:24] Voice 3: capacity so much, but then we also have to do often in-kind contributions or there's management

[4:06:31] Voice 3: costs. So it's not a purely, you know, additive formula. So then you've got sort of a friction

[4:06:38] Voice 3: factor and you've got political climate or the cost of living increases, you know, politics

[4:06:43] Voice 3: broadly in the province. So that can decrease. So this creates a drag on how many additional

[4:06:51] Voice 3: resources you can take on so we've seen this at this board before where we're presented with

[4:06:56] Voice 3: proposals and we can't we have to defer accepting or we're not in a position to take them on because

[4:07:03] Voice 3: we just it's too much to manage so this is just a very simple map I'd love to get to I'll show you

[4:07:11] Voice 3: if i can nope that's annotate i didn't want that um there's other no get out of annotate i don't

[4:07:23] Voice 3: know what's happening stop stop the annotating i can't get to my other screens oh yeah there it is

[4:07:29] Voice 3: um there's lots of other ways of showing systems and these are like causal loops that show

[4:07:35] Voice 3: relationships between entities and

[4:07:38] Voice 3: so this is called systems thinking or mapping and i just

[4:07:42] Voice 3: wanted to get a sense from the board if you think this is a good direction to go because

[4:07:49] Voice 3: we can develop a strategy in-house i mean in islands trust house um so that when opportunities

[4:07:57] Voice 3: present at the provincial level let's say there's funding opportunities or they have extra money in

[4:08:04] Voice 3: the budget and they want to see more protected areas um we are sort of ready with an analysis

[4:08:10] Voice 3: of where the intervention will make the most difference so i don't know how deep you could

[4:08:19] Voice 3: want me to go but i think it would be prudent to start thinking about this it could feed into our

[4:08:26] Voice 3: regional conservation strategy as well this could be part of the 10-year plan of like well we can

[4:08:31] Voice 3: handle so many hectares at this level of staff but if the province wants to grow here then we're

[4:08:38] Voice 3: going to need either stable funding or we're going

[4:08:41] Voice 11: to need other sources

[4:08:42] Voice 3: of income so that's that's

[4:08:44] Voice 3: where i was thinking and i'd like to see this brought forward to talk to ec yeah maybe at our

[4:08:50] Voice 3: joint meeting

[4:08:50] Voice 8: uh yeah

[4:08:52] Voice 3: trustee

[4:08:53] Voice 8: yeah good good thinking there trustee elliott and i was just

[4:08:56] Voice 8: thinking if the province wants us to go i think well then province step up with a little bit of

[4:09:01] Voice 8: funding but all of that aside um this is so interesting because it all makes perfect sense

[4:09:07] Voice 8: it's very reasonable it's all based on the fact that we the kind of accounting we do

[4:09:13] Voice 8: the kind of accounting we do is not full-cost accounting and i wonder did anyone besides i

[4:09:21] Voice 8: think wendy you attended the cpcil cpos meeting a couple weeks ago with jason long

[4:09:26] Voice 4: amazing uh

[4:09:28] Voice 8: It's a mind blowing, which we already know that we intuitively know that the benefits of conservation are far, far more than just adding another percentage to getting to 30 percent.

[4:09:43] Voice 8: You know, the actual money value of climate change mitigation, adding to other values like tourism, which can be good or bad.

[4:09:53] Voice 8: um you know this the whole um the business of nature providing services for us cleaning our

[4:10:04] Voice 8: air cleaning our water allowing us breathing space giving us better health all of those i

[4:10:10] Voice 8: mean this is a one hour session which like boom boom boom boom here's what all these things offer

[4:10:15] Voice 8: in the millions and millions of dollars of health you know whatever you call it like disease

[4:10:25] Voice 8: prevention and things like that but actually measurable things that are actually measurable

[4:10:29] Voice 8: in dollar value you know like climate change mitigation and that kind of thing so it's just

[4:10:36] Voice 8: unfortunate that when we talk about you know we're trying to promote oh yes we need this much more

[4:10:44] Voice 8: more money so we can help this landowner with this preservation of this really important piece

[4:10:51] Voice 8: of property and we only see it as okay it's going to cost this much in dollars it's going to have

[4:10:57] Voice 8: this much in you know land value and maybe recreational value but the whole value of that

[4:11:04] Voice 8: that conservation piece is not counted in the way it should be.

[4:11:11] Voice 8: So constantly we're having to use models like this

[4:11:17] Voice 8: in order just to justify our normal accounting system.

[4:11:24] Voice 3: But

[4:11:24] Voice 8: you can add things in.

[4:11:26] Voice 8: So say you want to add in...

[4:11:27] Voice 3: This is good.

[4:11:28] Voice 3: If you want to add in climate change mitigation, for instance,

[4:11:32] Voice 3: that's another whole system that is part of the relationship all i'm saying is we can draw out

[4:11:37] Voice 3: the relationship and the fact that we are getting to a threshold and the tolerance for asking for

[4:11:44] Voice 3: more tax increases which this council has done every year we now ask for an eight percent tax

[4:11:50] Voice 3: increase over last year and the bulk of it is new staff positions and a lot was the conservancy

[4:11:56] Voice 3: program so we um i'm not arguing that other that conservative protected lens adds to that

[4:12:03] Voice 3: we can do a i can do a very complicated map with a lot more other factors um that you know

[4:12:10] Voice 13: can you show how this um when you click on things it shows you the relationship yeah i haven't seen

[4:12:15] Voice 13: this tool before but when you showed it to me it's really i'm

[4:12:17] Voice 3: trying to like

[4:12:18] Voice 13: might not work but

[4:12:20] Voice 13: adaptive

[4:12:20] Voice 3: yeah i'll have to do

[4:12:24] Voice 3: this for you afterwards but yes you can do a presentation

[4:12:26] Voice 3: mode where it shows you um just the links of each

[4:12:31] Voice 3: thing but it it i'm not saying my map is the final

[4:12:36] Voice 3: product it's like how do we show and demonstrate the need for oh there it is so you can click on

[4:12:44] Voice 1: on

[4:12:44] Voice 3: that so this is the this is the platform i'd like to use kumu um to show when you have weak

[4:12:50] Voice 3: institutions you know relates to this and this and this um so yeah we can absolutely add climate

[4:12:56] Voice 3: change um i just want to make the argument we keep talking about going to the province and asking for

[4:13:01] Voice 3: money and they're not going to just give money without an established benefit either in alignment

[4:13:08] Voice 3: to the provincial priorities you're you're you're or you're meeting the mandate or you can't meet

[4:13:14] Voice 3: the mandate the full extent of the mandate because we're capped at this just yeah

[4:13:18] Voice 3: we need to

[4:13:19] Voice 3: articulate the argument we've talked about

[4:13:21] Voice 3: this since the beginning of council so thank you for

[4:13:23] Voice 3: your indulgence email me if you've got any ideas yeah does the board broadly yeah think there's

[4:13:29] Voice 3: value in going in this direction we do need to

[4:13:32] Trustee Gauvreau: think about growth strategy and we do come up

[4:13:35] Voice 3: against that a

[4:13:35] Trustee Gauvreau: lot something after a future meeting yes

[4:13:39] Voice 5: so i can speak to that a little

[4:13:41] Voice 5: bit the island's chest does a five-year financial plan by law that doesn't account for conservancy

[4:13:47] Voice 5: growth which i've raised in the

[4:13:48] Voice 5: past we simply haven't had the capacity to go there but ideally

[4:13:51] Voice 5: your five account trust council's five-year financial plan by law should account for planned

[4:13:55] Voice 5: growth and conservancy acquisition if

[4:13:57] Voice 5: indeed that's the trajectory the board's on so that's

[4:13:59] Voice 5: another link i would suggest it's another linkage um i would just note um on the surveys um polls

[4:14:06] Voice 5: and surveys page on the website there are all surveys we've done in the last few years are

[4:14:10] Voice 5: there, including budget surveys, which we consistently ask the question about support

[4:14:14] Voice 5: for the Conservancy financially and whether the budget should go up or down. You've seen very

[4:14:18] Voice 5: strong support there. I don't

[4:14:19] Voice 1: think you're at

[4:14:20] Voice 5: that taxpayer resistance place at all, because generally

[4:14:22] Voice 5: this is the most popular function of the Islands Trust in terms of where taxpayers want their

[4:14:26] Voice 5: funding to go, you know, based

[4:14:28] Voice 5: on who responds to those surveys, which of course is not a statistically

[4:14:32] Voice 5: valid approach that we take due to cost. And finally, I would say I've been the one in the

[4:14:38] Voice 5: past that has put together your campaigns to the province around more funding for conservancy.

[4:14:43] Voice 5: I've got lots of historical information on what the

[4:14:45] Voice 5: ministers asked from the Conservancy Board,

[4:14:47] Voice 5: asked from Trust Council before that request is returned to the ministry. There's some work to do

[4:14:53] Voice 5: for sure. And any, any, Trust Council has recently taken it off their follow-up action list about any

[4:14:59] Voice 5: funding request to the province. So they would need to go back to council probably after the

[4:15:03] Voice 5: the election and see if that's still a desired activity. If it is, I would highly recommend it

[4:15:08] Voice 5: be a properly strategized campaign with resources. You really get one quality opportunity for an ask

[4:15:14] Voice 5: like that. So having all the pieces in place and having a really defined ask and having done all

[4:15:21] Voice 5: your background work with the key individuals that would be involved, making sure all our MLAs are

[4:15:25] Voice 5: involved, making sure nations support the ask, all of that would need to be necessary to be really

[4:15:29] Voice 5: successful if it is to be a big capital ask or something yeah this looks like a great start for

[4:15:35] Voice 5: a conversation

[4:15:35] Voice 8: and even even at the asking the prophets i was i was thinking about that when

[4:15:40] Voice 8: we were watching that thing with jason wong a week and a half ago like oh yeah i know this

[4:15:46] Voice 8: intuitively that these conserved areas have far more value than what you see just you know at

[4:15:55] Voice 8: at your glance oh it's a it's a nice green area whatever there's the whole first nations

[4:16:00] Voice 8: component of it as well that when they're involved like there's all this history there

[4:16:06] Voice 8: there's all this ability for storytelling there um there's all this ability to collaborate

[4:16:14] Voice 8: on things like this opportunity yeah it's hard to put a cost to that except that we know

[4:16:20] Voice 8: know it's beneficial yeah

[4:16:24] Voice 13: sure um yeah thank you so much for putting this forward and i i think

[4:16:29] Voice 13: um we should you know expand this kind of vision boarding or this you know

[4:16:35] Voice 13: conservancy growth model

[4:16:37] Voice 13: that you're speaking to and i think it needs to be a long-term vision like something we continue

[4:16:43] Voice 13: to work on and of course fit it into where it needs to be if it's like the five-year plan or

[4:16:47] Voice 13: strategy or or the financial component that director frederick was speaking to but i think

[4:16:52] Voice 13: we need to like even if it's just as simple as what you're showing us now but i think that's

[4:16:58] Voice 13: something that we should prioritize working on like um because we are often working in like

[4:17:07] Voice 13: the specific timelines or budgeted timelines but if we're not thinking about that like long-term

[4:17:12] Voice 13: growth strategy then we're we're not preparing the next board we're not preparing staff or giving

[4:17:19] Voice 13: like i know there's so many different priorities and like capacity is extremely limited here but

[4:17:24] Voice 13: i think you're identifying something really important that we need to like address

[4:17:28] Voice 13: as a board and help staff and like something we should all

[4:17:32] Voice 13: continually work on um so that we can

[4:17:35] Voice 13: go to the province and get and get more support too and they can see the value in it because

[4:17:40] Voice 13: this kind of visual tool would be really helpful to even present to the province too right like

[4:17:45] Voice 13: we send them letters to the minister and everything like that but um i think it's good for for that

[4:17:52] Voice 13: process and good for just us to map out like our long-term strategy of you know what's the

[4:17:57] Voice 13: conservancy going to look like in 20 30 years right like exactly

[4:18:01] Voice 13: what's you know barring from

[4:18:03] Voice 13: the first nation's perspective

[4:18:04] Voice 13: like the next seven generations like what is that going to be and i

[4:18:08] Voice 13: i don't think we can all take it on but like i think this is a major missing gap that like we

[4:18:12] Voice 13: should start idealizing and i think this is a really good um

[4:18:16] Voice 7: exercise

[4:18:17] Voice 13: to do so thank you for

[4:18:19] Voice 13: thinking through it and um it'll be and even the formulas that you're creating like i was never

[4:18:25] Voice 13: good at math like i'd have to take time to do math but it looks it does look very complicated

[4:18:29] Voice 13: the stuff you're working on so

[4:18:30] Voice 16: i had to work with it

[4:18:31] Voice 16: so i'll spreadsheet myself so it makes sense

[4:18:33] Voice 16: and i still think it

[4:18:34] Voice 3: looks like

[4:18:37] Voice 16: it's helpful to just at least

[4:18:38] Voice 3: yeah i'm not a management expert

[4:18:40] Voice 3: but you know you

[4:18:41] Voice 3: can when you're when you're talking budgets and increasingly that's where

[4:18:46] Voice 3: the province i think is going to have to go you're looking at a

[4:18:50] Voice 3: 12 billion dollar deficit like we

[4:18:52] Voice 3: have to articulate even if it's in dollar values the value of the air but

[4:18:57] Voice 3: we have to align it with

[4:19:00] Voice 3: with real numbers and with provincial priorities and make that strategic ask.

[4:19:04] Voice 3: So what I'm looking for is if we want to create a long-term strategy,

[4:19:10] Voice 3: is there appetite to request staff at some point to pull together the data?

[4:19:18] Voice 3: I'm not sure what point that would be, but like the number of hectares

[4:19:21] Voice 3: newly protected or acquired, dollar values of land protected,

[4:19:25] Voice 3: the cost of baseline inventory assessments and archaeological assessments,

[4:19:30] Voice 3: we'd have to do some work to pull together numbers of like we have the numbers um but if we want to

[4:19:37] Voice 3: go to here or to here or to here the costs are increasing every year so what is that projected

[4:19:42] Voice 3: trajectory so i i'm not ready to like make any ask um i think executive committee or maybe itc

[4:19:50] Voice 3: should have a conversation about this at our liaison meeting and then if there's a request

[4:19:56] Voice 3: and we can go back to trust council and say do you want to have this work done knowing that no

[4:20:02] Voice 3: new projects can be approved right

[4:20:05] Trustee Gauvreau: what time is it we'll get out the time here guys maybe we can

[4:20:09] Trustee Gauvreau: get on yeah there are other parts of the meeting um before

[4:20:12] Voice 5: you do i'll just say you're in the midst

[4:20:15] Voice 5: of developing a five-year plan and you're co-developing that basically that future vision

[4:20:19] Voice 5: with nations so i think that should be allowed to play out to some degree because you might hear

[4:20:24] Voice 5: hear you know things you weren't expecting from the nations like we just don't know

[4:20:27] Voice 5: what the future trajectory looks like because of course we haven't had those conversations yet

[4:20:31] Voice 5: so you might

[4:20:32] Voice 5: hear a lack of desire for new acquisition you might hear

[4:20:34] Voice 5: an ambitious desire

[4:20:35] Voice 5: for new acquisitions like we just I think we're all keeping an open mind about what the growth

[4:20:39] Voice 5: model might look like based on the outcome of the development of that plan so I think some of what

[4:20:45] Voice 5: you're asking for I think should inform those conversations that we're having with nations

[4:20:48] Voice 5: about what is their vision for our role in protecting in their territories right

[4:20:51] Voice 3: so that

[4:20:52] Voice 3: framework that could actually illustrate it yeah then you can plug in the values absolutely

[4:20:56] Voice 3: and we have some

[4:20:59] Voice 5: of those spreadsheets because you might remember we did some analysis a couple

[4:21:02] Voice 5: of years ago around protected area management capacity and so we have some of those spreadsheets

[4:21:06] Voice 5: built about growth over time and hectare age growth over time in terms of numbers and properties all

[4:21:09] Voice 5: of that so some of that could be fairly readily updated i would think yes

[4:21:13] Trustee Gauvreau: we're discussing today

[4:21:14] Trustee Gauvreau: guys sorry yeah yeah

[4:21:15] Trustee Gauvreau: thanks for the good work thank you for your work on that

[4:21:18] Voice 8: yeah good work

[4:21:19] Voice 8: there too much

[4:21:19] Trustee Gauvreau: all right so moving on uh uh trustee um smith had uh 9.2 but they're no longer

[4:21:27] Trustee Gauvreau: here with some correspondence which we don't haven't seen the correspondence so maybe we'll

[4:21:31] Trustee Gauvreau: pick that up at a future meeting or something um and so the next meeting is tuesday may 12th

[4:21:37] Trustee Gauvreau: um electronic meeting and we will move on to number 11 which is closing this meeting

[4:21:44] Trustee Gauvreau: and I will be the one to make the motion.

[4:21:47] Trustee Gauvreau: Lucille, thank you.

[4:21:48] Voice 3: I move that the Island Trust Conservancy Board meeting

[4:21:51] Voice 3: be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter

[4:21:53] Voice 3: Part 4, Division 3, Section 91B,

[4:21:57] Voice 3: personal information about an identifiable individual

[4:21:59] Voice 3: who is being considered for an award or honor for the board

[4:22:02] Voice 3: or who is offered to provide a gift to the board

[4:22:04] Voice 3: on condition of anonymity,

[4:22:06] Voice 3: and 91E, the acquisition, disposition,

[4:22:10] Voice 3: or expropriation of land or improvements

[4:22:12] Voice 3: as the board considers that disclosure could reasonably be expected to harm the interests

[4:22:17] Voice 3: of the Honourable Trust Conservancy Board and 91K negotiations and related discussions

[4:22:23] Voice 3: respecting the proposed provision of a service that are at their preliminary stages and that,

[4:22:28] Voice 3: in the view of the board, could reasonably be expected to harm the interests of the Honourable

[4:22:33] Voice 3: Trust Conservancy Board if they are held in public and that staff are invited to attend

[4:22:37] Voice 3: to remain in the meeting.

[4:22:38] Voice 3: Thank you.

[4:22:39] Trustee Gauvreau: If I have a second or...

[4:22:41] Trustee Gauvreau: Trustee, eight seconds.

[4:22:42] Trustee Gauvreau: I call the vote.

[4:22:44] Trustee Gauvreau: All in favor, motion carried.

[4:22:46] Trustee Gauvreau: Thank you.

[4:22:47] Trustee Gauvreau: I'll open up the recording

[4:22:49] Trustee Gauvreau: and we'll go in camera.

[4:22:52] Voice 7: Please.