Thetis Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, April 20, 2026

[0:00:00] Voice 4: Thank you. Good

[0:00:02] Voice 4: morning everybody and welcome to the April 20th regular LTC meeting of the

[0:00:09] Voice 4: Peters Island Local Trust Committee. My name is Julie Elliott. I'm your chair today elected

[0:00:15] Voice 4: on Gabriel Island. It's the name of the territory and I'm joined with my two local trustees,

[0:00:34] Voice 11: Good morning, everyone. Glad to be here. I got my hearing aids in so it makes me sound

[0:00:40] Voice 11: louder.

[0:00:42] Voice 11: I'm grateful to be here in Cochise Territory.

[0:00:46] Voice 11: It's an amazing place to live, be, and the weather certainly contributes to that today.

[0:00:52] Voice 11: There's lots of learning opportunities to find out and engage what's happening with

[0:00:57] Voice 11: First Nations this time of the month, and it's a unique opportunity, and I'm glad to

[0:01:01] Voice 11: have that.

[0:01:03] Voice 9: Good morning.

[0:01:04] Voice 9: Good morning.

[0:01:05] Voice 9: Good to see you all here.

[0:01:07] Voice 9: I know you didn't come to look at my new haircut, so there's going to be something very good.

[0:01:14] Voice 9: well

[0:01:15] Voice 4: we do want to begin by acknowledging um that this meeting and all of our business and

[0:01:21] Voice 4: our lives are productive in the territories many coast salish peoples but in particular here

[0:01:26] Voice 4: uh the layoffs in first nation and penelope tribes and we are very grateful to be

[0:01:33] Voice 4: acknowledging their continued stewardship and relationship to these islands and waters

[0:01:37] Voice 4: waters. Just last week, I was pleased to sit with the Connecticut elders and advisors and

[0:01:45] Voice 4: council members at a joint table, actually on Salt Spring Island about the Ganges Harbour

[0:01:53] Voice 4: challenges. And in particular, they spoke about the urgency of protecting their food

[0:01:59] Voice 4: sources, in particular the clam beds and the eelgrass meadows. So that was really good

[0:02:07] Voice 4: to hear and to see them at that table and we just want to acknowledge their continued stewardship

[0:02:11] Voice 4: their relationship to these islands um we're joined by staff here today uh regional planning

[0:02:18] Voice 4: manager renee jamara good morning and the barb planter for the island margaret and as well in

[0:02:26] Voice 4: the background we're supported by a minute taker and median facilitator lisa millard

[0:02:31] Voice 4: And I believe we might have, is Warren Dingman joining us today?

[0:02:37] Voice 4: Oh, nice.

[0:02:39] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: Yes, Chair, I'm here.

[0:02:40] Voice 4: Okay, thanks. Hello, Warren, and welcome.

[0:02:44] Voice 4: So this is a regular meeting to discuss matters on the, well, today's agenda, which is published.

[0:02:54] Voice 4: And so just, we've changed a little bit of our opening notes, and I'll get to you in just a moment.

[0:03:01] Voice 4: uh it's my responsibility to ensure that this meeting is respectful inclusive and a culturally

[0:03:07] Voice 4: safe space for staff trustees and all attendees including those who may be watching online

[0:03:13] Voice 4: as we get into the public comment period i may have a few more notes before we open the floor

[0:03:19] Voice 4: just to ensure that the meeting um accords with our organizational standards and and we want to

[0:03:27] Voice 4: uphold the respect for everyone who is here and watching and watch our recordings um i'm sorry i

[0:03:36] Voice 4: may have missed one is joe elliott also joining us hello joe

[0:03:41] Voice 2: hello i'm here hi

[0:03:43] Voice 4: thank you so much

[0:03:44] Voice 4: for joining us today apologies for missing you so madam chair who are those who's joe elliott and

[0:03:49] Voice 4: warren england that's my question they are so manager thank you uh warren dingman is the manager

[0:03:55] Voice 4: of bylaw enforcement and compliance and joe elliott is the senior indigenous relations advisor

[0:04:01] Voice 4: for island's trust thank you thank you so we have an agenda before us um are there any changes

[0:04:10] Voice 4: or additions to the agenda trustees any

[0:04:15] Voice 5: last minute things are not is she going to be a closed

[0:04:18] Voice 5: meeting at the end of this there is

[0:04:21] Voice 9: because i saw what was on the agenda is that it's the one thing

[0:04:27] Voice 9: it's

[0:04:27] Voice 4: just the one thing okay we can amend that agenda if you want to discuss it okay when we

[0:04:32] Voice 4: get to that uh so i'll take it by general consent that the agenda for today's meeting be adopted as

[0:04:39] Voice 4: presented and we'll move into reports which trustee would like to go first with your local report

[0:04:50] Voice 4: I'm so happy when I don't have to go first.

[0:04:55] Voice 11: I have not a lot of reports.

[0:04:59] Voice 11: I'm certainly receiving emails as we all do from the community here,

[0:05:04] Voice 11: particularly around the Halliball bomb situation.

[0:05:08] Voice 11: And we have a report here today,

[0:05:12] Voice 11: and I just would like to say that we would like to resolve this

[0:05:19] Voice 11: in an unalienable way and to ensure that the market continues doing what it's done over

[0:05:24] Voice 11: years without offending bylaws or neighbors or otherwise so let's continue to strive towards

[0:05:33] Voice 11: that and it certainly looks like by some of the correspondence that is well underway so

[0:05:39] Voice 11: There was a herring meeting, discussion here a little while ago, which was incredibly informative

[0:05:51] Voice 11: about the herring plot teaching here and that was now passed and indeed the red tide season,

[0:05:59] Voice 11: people call it, is well underway, but those are all indications that the oceans are in

[0:06:06] Voice 11: reasonably good health and condition not as best as they might have been ages ago but

[0:06:11] Voice 11: still thriving out there and that's good to see um i just wanted to mention oh and so i also

[0:06:20] Voice 11: attended the full the community forum some of you would have seen me there and reported out on

[0:06:26] Voice 11: similar animal trust issues um for those that don't join us in our meetings or find our

[0:06:31] Voice 11: information online and glad to participate in that. I just want to make a note as I move along

[0:06:36] Voice 11: to make sure that folks are aware of it. The MAPIT site is back up, which is the mapping tool that

[0:06:42] Voice 11: Alan's just created to provide you mapping layer information and stuff about properties on the

[0:06:49] Voice 11: Cedar Sound and the Alamostrust area. It's been down for quite a while with some technical issues,

[0:06:53] Voice 11: but I'm so pleased that that has not dropped off the table in our budget cycles and is now

[0:07:00] Voice 11: now back up and running. It's a great tool. If you go to our website, please do poke around,

[0:07:05] Voice 11: map it. It's a prominent feature. You can find out anything about properties on Teter Island

[0:07:10] Voice 11: and topography and other layers that are in the maps. I just want to make a note, actually,

[0:07:17] Voice 11: and I don't want to offend anybody, but sometimes that's a mistake that happens.

[0:07:24] Voice 11: campus. There were some questions about who voted for what in the budget. And indeed,

[0:07:30] Voice 11: in this most recent budget, I voted in favor of the budget. But

[0:07:34] Voice 11: there's a subtlety to that.

[0:07:35] Voice 11: The question is not a full question. Did you vote for the budget? It's a legal obligation

[0:07:41] Voice 11: of the Alamance Trust to adopt a budget. And if we didn't adopt a budget, it would be hard

[0:07:48] Voice 11: to say what might happen. I know in school districts and other towns throughout British

[0:07:53] Voice 11: Columbia, the government walks in and takes over, which is not an ideal situation. Although maybe

[0:08:00] Voice 11: they'd assume the budget, I don't know. But nonetheless, there's a vigorous debate on every

[0:08:07] Voice 11: element, every line of the items within the budget. And I voted for some, and I voted against

[0:08:13] Voice 11: others. But at the end of the day, the legislative responsibility is to adopt the budget that

[0:08:20] Voice 11: that council has decided they want to advance.

[0:08:24] Voice 11: And so when you vote in favor of the budget,

[0:08:26] Voice 11: you're advancing the legal obligation of that body.

[0:08:29] Voice 11: Whether I voted in favor of particular elements of it

[0:08:32] Voice 11: or not, it's a decision of council.

[0:08:35] Voice 11: Just wanted to clarify that.

[0:08:36] Voice 11: Because it's not that the budget being passed is my fault.

[0:08:41] Voice 11: It's a path that we have to go down.

[0:08:45] Voice 11: So I have nothing further to say.

[0:08:47] Voice 11: Glad to be here to represent you

[0:08:49] Voice 11: you can reach out to me by telephone or email anytime email sometimes is slow for me because

[0:08:54] Voice 11: i have other obligations thank

[0:08:57] Voice 4: you for your report hello

[0:08:59] Voice 9: again everyone um i'm sure most of you are

[0:09:02] Voice 9: here probably about the howling wolf situation which i've been getting lots of personal phone

[0:09:07] Voice 9: calls and as peter said i think we're going to be able to find an adequate solution for it if not

[0:09:15] Voice 9: to naming them soon also um the uh bylaw 119 which i am presently not in favor of unless

[0:09:26] Voice 9: some of you can convince me that it's the right way to go uh and as far as the budget goes

[0:09:34] Voice 9: what's

[0:09:35] Voice 21: 119 i'm sorry oh

[0:09:37] Voice 9: it's the new uh lub changes for fencing and uh water storage

[0:09:56] Voice 11: And

[0:09:56] Voice 9: as far as voting for the budget, I haven't been able to vote for a budget in the last

[0:10:04] Voice 9: four years because I think we're spending too much money as a trust and we need to find

[0:10:16] a way forward that is not burdening the taxpayers

[0:10:21] Voice 9: of the gulf violence in such a heavy manner

[0:10:26] Voice 9: let's see what happens when we get into the meeting thank you thank

[0:10:30] Voice 4: you for your report um

[0:10:33] Voice 4: okay so for my chair's report i'll try to keep it succinct um some of you may recall the proposed um

[0:10:42] Voice 4: draft bylaw number 183, which is the policy statement.

[0:10:46] Voice 4: It's the Islanders Trust policy statement that HLTC gave a referral response to

[0:10:52] Voice 4: and the TETUS Local Trust Committee gave theirs at our last meeting.

[0:10:56] Voice 4: All the comments from the public will be compiled in a what we heard report

[0:11:01] Voice 4: with a summary of the feedback received to date and some options coming to Trust Council

[0:11:08] Voice 4: likely at our May 13th Committee of the Whole meeting.

[0:11:12] Voice 4: So this committee and the whole meeting will just receive and hear some of the general themes and some options going forward.

[0:11:22] Voice 4: It was noted in the highlights going out from Islands Trust that it is not likely that, according to staff, that the project will close this term simply because of getting it to the minister's desk on time.

[0:11:40] Voice 4: and really after hearing all the feedback from communities if substantial

[0:11:45] Voice 4: changes are needed the draft policy statement would need to be sent out

[0:11:51] Voice 4: again to First Nations because if there's substantial changes we need to

[0:11:55] Voice 4: demonstrate a record of engagement to the ministry satisfaction so if we've

[0:12:01] Voice 4: changed something after the fact we need to go back to nations and say well

[0:12:05] Voice 4: here's what's changed here's why and that's sort of a depth of demonstrating

[0:12:09] Voice 4: the record. So that's that on the policy statement. At our March Trust Council quarterly meeting,

[0:12:18] Voice 4: we were on Cowattson Tribe's lands, and we were welcomed by Cowattson Tribe's chief,

[0:12:25] Voice 4: Cindy Daniels, and we had a wonderful meeting. We did have to pass a budget, so we approved

[0:12:31] Voice 4: approved our 2026-27 budget spending of $11.8 million with $11 million directed to operations.

[0:12:39] Voice 4: Of course this is Trustwide, not just Thetis. $588,000 to special projects and about $208,000

[0:12:50] Voice 4: to the purchase of new capital assets. At that meeting as well and since Islands Trust

[0:12:57] Voice 4: Trust voted to, or Trust Council, rather,

[0:13:01] Voice 4: voted to call to Premier Iwi's government

[0:13:03] Voice 4: to uphold the Declaration

[0:13:05] Voice 4: of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples legislation.

[0:13:08] Voice 4: There's been a few pieces published since then,

[0:13:12] Voice 4: but that was a significant moment

[0:13:13] Voice 4: as Council sort of stood physically

[0:13:16] Voice 4: to support the government's commitment

[0:13:19] Voice 4: to meaningfully implement the UN Declaration

[0:13:23] Voice 4: of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

[0:13:26] Voice 4: We also had a really interesting presentation on species at risk in the Islands Trust area.

[0:13:33] Voice 4: I encourage people to look at the video recording because we've had a species at risk coordinator

[0:13:39] Voice 4: working for about six years for Islands Trust and doing work for the Conservancy and for

[0:13:43] Voice 4: planning and that was, so they presented sort of the end of that, the funding for that as

[0:13:50] Voice 4: federal program has ended this year so sort of concluding um and big call out to community

[0:14:03] Voice 4: stewardship nominations are open the awards for community stewardship are open until april 26

[0:14:10] Voice 4: there's just six days left if you know somebody in your community who is doing exemplary work

[0:14:16] Voice 4: making a meaningful contribution to environmental stewardship, conservation,

[0:14:21] Voice 4: community initiatives that supports the Islands Trust mandate, please consider

[0:14:25] Voice 4: submitting a nomination. There's information on our website but again

[0:14:30] Voice 4: that's open until April 26. This is done once a quarter, it's not an annual event.

[0:14:36] Voice 4: So I think that concludes my report for you today. As always feel free to email

[0:14:45] Voice 4: if he's got any questions there's quite a bit of information on the website but it's

[0:14:50] Voice 4: it is challenging sometimes to navigate especially if you're not used to it um so we can help you

[0:14:57] Voice 4: find that info don't believe we have the electoral area director jesse what's his name jesse mcclinton

[0:15:07] Voice 4: okay we don't have him

[0:15:08] Voice 11: yeah

[0:15:10] Voice 4: yeah

[0:15:11] Voice 11: i'm sorry that jesse's not here today but i think many of you

[0:15:14] Voice 11: know he did attend our community forum meeting that was uh very well received i think um gave us

[0:15:21] Voice 11: a full um review of activities and so um certainly he's a busy fellow but i'd also like to make note

[0:15:32] Voice 11: that jesse also attended our trust council meeting and uh in duncan the couch and tribes

[0:15:39] Voice 11: um convention center there and it was great to have him there and have more conversations with

[0:15:44] Voice 11: him and for him to observe what happens at that federation level. So he certainly happened today,

[0:15:53] Voice 11: but he's not away.

[0:15:57] Voice 4: He was looking very hard and very keenly aware of the issues.

[0:16:02] Voice 4: Okay, so that concludes our report section for today. So we're now going to move into the public

[0:16:09] Voice 4: comment or public participation period and please forgive me I've got a few

[0:16:14] Voice 4: notes just as we're we're updating trust-wide so this is not particular to

[0:16:22] Voice 4: Thetis or any issues that have happened here but just about respectful language

[0:16:28] Voice 4: and conduct in our meeting so if you'll forgive me I'll just go through a little

[0:16:32] Voice 4: bit about a read-through and then I'll open the meeting for public comment so

[0:16:37] Voice 4: So three principles, we will speak respectfully.

[0:16:41] Voice 4: We do not hold space in our meetings for racism, stereotypes, or comments that target Indigenous peoples or any other individuals or groups in our community.

[0:16:52] Voice 4: Secondly, we will acknowledge concerns without causing harm.

[0:16:57] Voice 4: So residents are absolutely entitled to ask questions, express uncertainty, question us about all manner of things.

[0:17:04] Voice 4: and Indigenous community members are equally entitled to share their experiences

[0:17:09] Voice 4: and expectations of respectful partnership. Both can occur here without harm, dismissal,

[0:17:16] Voice 4: or targeting. And thirdly, we will uphold cultural safety. This may be a new term for some of us.

[0:17:25] Voice 4: It's maintaining a place that is not just respectful for us but for Indigenous peoples

[0:17:30] Voice 4: as well. We want to recognize that our public processes have not always felt

[0:17:35] Voice 4: safe. We're welcoming for Indigenous peoples and we are committed to doing

[0:17:40] Voice 4: better. So this includes giving space to Indigenous voices, being mindful how

[0:17:46] Voice 4: language affects people, and addressing harmful comments if they arise, which

[0:17:51] Voice 4: I've never heard anything harmful from the Venus community, so again this is just

[0:17:56] Voice 4: broadly and we'll keep the conversation constructive so your experiences are

[0:18:02] Voice 4: valuable your perspectives are needed and we want to hear them at this table

[0:18:07] Voice 4: and so we want to ensure that everyone is heard so we'd ask you to refrain from

[0:18:12] Voice 4: clapping or booing just to keep everything equitable and speak to issues

[0:18:18] Voice 4: not personalities if possible well please so thank you for an in advance

[0:18:24] Voice 4: And so now I'll open the town hall, which I think according to our bylaw, we only have 10 minutes, but we can extend it.

[0:18:34] Voice 4: So I do ask you to keep your comments succinct and speak to the topic that you're going to address.

[0:18:40] Voice 4: Very helpful if it's a piece of work on our agenda today so that we can consider it as we go get into that agenda portion.

[0:18:49] Voice 4: We do ask for people's names. Is that true? No?

[0:18:54] Voice 6: I think

[0:18:54] Voice 11: we just go. Yeah. Okay. But maybe we're going to that. Although we're going to have a discussion potentially about our farms.

[0:19:08] Voice 11: We don't have discussion within business items within the agenda conversation with the public necessary unless the chair wants to open the floor up. So now is the opportunity to address those issues that are on our agenda today.

[0:19:24] Voice 4: yes thank you recognizing some are new to the process so anything on our agenda now is the time

[0:19:30] Voice 4: to address it and we'll make notes and then when we discuss it the table when we get to that point

[0:19:35] Voice 4: we'll take your thoughts into consideration okay so is there anybody who wishes to address this

[0:19:41] Voice 4: after a long exposition yes let's start in the back there thank

[0:19:53] Voice 17: you uh it's greatly appreciated

[0:19:56] Voice 17: that you're here in person today I would like to speak on the targeted land use by-law update

[0:20:04] Voice 4: minor project draft by-law number 119. As a

[0:20:12] Voice 17: parcel owner that will be building in the future

[0:20:15] Voice 17: I do not support a mandated 2,000 imperial gallon cistern for rainwater collection for new resident

[0:20:24] Voice 4: dwelling units and guest cottages.

[0:20:29] Voice 4: Stats Canada 2021 shows

[0:20:32] Voice 4: 460 dwellings on fetus. Do each

[0:20:36] Voice 4: of these dwellings have a 2,000-gallon cistern?

[0:20:41] Voice 17: Those dwelling

[0:20:42] Voice 4: owners were able to make their own

[0:20:44] Voice 4: decision on adding a cistern or not. They were not

[0:20:48] Voice 4: mandated. There are limited parcels to be built on in the

[0:20:52] Voice 4: future and increasing the costs not just for the cistern but for the operation and maintenance is

[0:21:00] Voice 4: overreach of islands trust i have spoken with a fire department member

[0:21:06] Voice 17: of the assignment and they

[0:21:08] Voice 17: indicate that they would not use those cisterns as who knows how much water is actually in them

[0:21:16] Voice 17: Currently on our site we

[0:21:19] Voice 4: have our own fire protection system in place on our parcel and

[0:21:24] Voice 4: I do not think that we need to know whether we are putting in a garden or not.

[0:21:32] Voice 4: Maybe some people are keeping their land in a natural environment. They should not be forced

[0:21:39] Voice 4: to put in a plastic 2,000-gallon cistern that may leach into the ground.

[0:21:51] Voice 4: I'd like to move on to the fencing setbacks.

[0:21:54] Voice 4: These

[0:21:55] Voice 17: regulations can impact many people on fetus.

[0:22:00] Voice 17: One of the properties is the cemetery.

[0:22:04] Voice 17: The current fence needs to be replaced.

[0:22:07] Voice 17: nice. Where exactly would that fence sit at the cemetery? Where is the property insurance

[0:22:15] Voice 4: implications with

[0:22:17] Voice 17: these fence setbacks and people being on the other side of the fence?

[0:22:23] Voice 17: As for the derelict vehicles, could this

[0:22:26] Voice 20: be easily covered under wrecking? Having people

[0:22:30] Voice 20: spying on their neighbors and keeping records of unlicensed vehicles does not fit

[0:22:35] Voice 4: with island life.

[0:22:37] Voice 4: I ask that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee trustees direct staff to cease work on all three proposed amendments to By-law 119 for Thetis Island

[0:22:49] Voice 4: and that the committee trustees make a motion to remove these amendments for consideration in By-law 119.

[0:23:00] Voice 4: I'd like to thank you for your time.

[0:23:03] Voice 4: Thank you, Ms. Kent.

[0:23:04] Voice 4: We did receive your email, just so you know.

[0:23:06] Voice 4: Right, we appreciate it.

[0:23:09] Voice 4: And I'd like to go to you now.

[0:23:11] Voice 4: Yes, my name is Carol Swan.

[0:23:12] Voice 4: I'm a 19-year resident of West Davis Island.

[0:23:15] Voice 4: I'd like to welcome you guys for coming today.

[0:23:18] Voice 4: It's

[0:23:19] Voice 17: nice that you can come and see the people that you work for and meet with us.

[0:23:23] Voice 17: I'm here because I am one of the cottage industries on the island that is potentially affected by the situation with Helen Wolf.

[0:23:32] Voice 17: i would really like to see it go forward and continue to be able to give us a place to sell

[0:23:38] Voice 17: our goods we have a very short season for that and i know that prince and maryland this is their

[0:23:45] Voice 17: life's work and they have poured their blood sweat and tears into it and then they'll post

[0:23:49] Voice 17: live as a tourist first destination some of the boats that come come

[0:23:55] Voice 4: just for them i'm sure we

[0:23:56] Voice 4: all know this but i just wanted to briefly um remind everybody

[0:24:01] Voice 17: what a key place that they

[0:24:05] Voice 17: service how key they are to the to the

[0:24:08] Voice 21: community and the last night as i was reading through um

[0:24:12] Voice 21: the minutes from the last meeting which i wasn't able to come to i that's when i ran across this

[0:24:17] Voice 21: bylaw that um that lynn's been talking to and i would like to say firstly do we need a fence bylaw

[0:24:26] Voice 21: on davis

[0:24:27] Voice 17: because it's not like we have um you know neighbors like on 15 foot and fronting lots

[0:24:35] Voice 17: like some of the perhaps more developed pilots do um secondly if it is determined that we should

[0:24:44] Voice 17: have a fencing bylaw here which we're not in favor of um we should look at the height because two

[0:24:51] Voice 21: meters or two and a half i forget which i saw but it appears to have been written by a deer for

[0:24:57] Voice 21: access to gardens you know we need to look at a minimum equal fencing scenario

[0:25:04] Voice 17: should there be

[0:25:05] Voice 17: the need for one um i the

[0:25:11] Voice 4: other thing that i would like to say to me if i'm also not in favor of

[0:25:15] Voice 4: neighbors spying on neighbors it's how we got into that situation somebody you know for whatever

[0:25:22] Voice 4: reason decided that they were going to

[0:25:24] Voice 17: lay a complaint and we don't know this has been

[0:25:26] Voice 17: operating fine but that means thank you

[0:25:30] Voice 4: so just being mindful of our tone um you know

[0:25:39] Voice 4: spying on neighbors is is definitely not something islands trust would be about

[0:25:44] Voice 4: indirectly you did i'm sorry just to clarify that the only way that complaints are made

[0:25:50] Voice 4: or sorry enforcement is enacted is through complaints there is no we don't have bylaw

[0:25:57] Voice 4: enforcement you know walking around properties to to find out what's going on so if there's an issue

[0:26:02] Voice 4: that is raised that is not we don't consider that's fine i understand your perspective in

[0:26:08] Voice 4: mind over here is that respectful enough yes thank you thank you um who else would like to assess

[0:26:14] Voice 4: just raise your hand yes

[0:26:18] Voice 5: um just um

[0:26:21] Voice 13: just regarding the water paint issues um as many people know i

[0:26:28] Voice 13: was pretty involved with this i'm still you know working with the cbrd on uh doing a um

[0:26:36] Voice 13: testing and such, and they're working on a policy for Thetis Island regarding the water

[0:26:44] Voice 13: tank.

[0:26:45] Voice 13: And I think that this, at this time, puts CART before the force, as the CBRD is discussing

[0:26:53] Voice 13: things such as subsidies for water tanks, which I believe is a far better solution than

[0:27:00] Voice 13: and thing I have as a dedicated civil living myself I find rules in general to be

[0:27:13] Voice 13: fighting against what I think that we need to be become which is a place that

[0:27:20] Voice 13: is more dedicated to civil life things rather than an administration of that life

[0:27:27] Voice 13: becomes our biggest worry, then we have a thing and everybody knows what the tax is. Every little

[0:27:33] Voice 13: tax item is well thought out and probably justified. But now we have a tax system where

[0:27:39] Voice 13: people said paid somebody a hundred dollars to fill five lines on a tax form because they can't

[0:27:44] Voice 13: because they're bewildered by it. And we're finding that with again with the administration

[0:27:49] Voice 13: of households and stuff that we get so many rules,

[0:27:58] Voice 13: so we should avoid rules

[0:28:00] Voice 13: unless they're absolutely necessary.

[0:28:02] Voice 13: And I see the ferry every year bringing tanks

[0:28:07] Voice 13: after tanks of water tanks to this island.

[0:28:10] Voice 13: We are not, we should first see what the problem is,

[0:28:16] Voice 13: just wait for some testing. How much water is in our aquifort? How much is our draw on

[0:28:23] Voice 13: that water? Things like that should feed the decision instead of coming to conclusions

[0:28:31] Voice 13: before we've done the research. So that's my first thing. And I believe that if we want

[0:28:40] Voice 13: to do something like this, we should be doing it by encouraging people to do things, educating

[0:28:46] Voice 13: We had 400 people participate in the, sorry, 200 people, but we had somebody fly over from Calgary thinking about buying a property, came over to our water event last year.

[0:29:00] Voice 13: We have people that showed a lot of interest.

[0:29:03] Voice 13: It was a big talking point on the island at the time.

[0:29:06] Voice 13: i think that's the answer is to educate support the right decision not mandate a water tank that

[0:29:15] Voice 13: will be then put on a property well they're never filled with water it just sit there because the

[0:29:21] Voice 13: law said it was supposed to be there thank

[0:29:24] Voice 12: you there's

[0:29:29] Voice 4: a lot of you here so i'm i'm here yes

[0:29:31] Voice 4: Yes, there's more to say, please.

[0:29:33] Voice 18: Hi, I'm Christopher Peck from Howling Will Farm, our shift.

[0:29:38] Voice 8: And

[0:29:38] Voice 18: I'd like to thank you for including us on your busy agenda today.

[0:29:45] Voice 18: Marilyn, my partner, is in the Philippines right now visiting her family,

[0:29:50] Voice 18: trying to take a break from the stress of all of this.

[0:29:55] Voice 18: It's been pretty devastating for her to think that her little business

[0:29:59] Voice 18: Bye-bye.

[0:30:00] Voice 18: over 25 years is in jeopardy.

[0:30:04] Voice 18: Today, I just wanted to thank our community

[0:30:07] Voice 18: for their support and it's kept us going.

[0:30:11] Voice 18: I have with me the signed petitions, comments and letters.

[0:30:16] Voice 18: I noticed that some of them are on the agenda,

[0:30:18] Voice 18: but this is all of them.

[0:30:20] Voice 18: And I'd like to report that today we have over 850

[0:30:25] Voice 18: 50 signed petitions and letters, 200 of them were signed in our little market.

[0:30:34] Voice 18: The others were online, and they come from 12 countries, Mexico, the US, Hawaii, California,

[0:30:43] Voice 18: Oregon, Washington, come from Vietnam, Hong Kong, Germany, Taiwan, Scotland, UK, Singapore,

[0:30:50] Voice 18: and Bali.

[0:30:51] Voice 18: um just to point out that fetus island is a very special place and um i'm just hoping that

[0:31:00] Voice 18: we can preserve and protect the harlingwood farm market thank you thank

[0:31:08] Voice 6: you do you want

[0:31:11] Voice 18: uh these in originals or do you want me i've scanned and uh emailed them to you

[0:31:18] Voice 4: I'll receive them and receive them for public, of course, you want me to

[0:31:23] Voice 18: give them to you.

[0:31:24] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:31:27] Voice 18: I'll give it to you later.

[0:31:29] Voice 4: That's fine.

[0:31:29] Voice 4: Yeah, that's great.

[0:31:30] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:31:31] Voice 4: We are.

[0:31:32] Voice 4: It's a keen issue.

[0:31:33] Voice 4: We're definitely hearing that.

[0:31:35] Voice 4: And thank you for everyone who's written in.

[0:31:39] Voice 4: Anybody else who wishes to address us on anything specific to local trust?

[0:31:44] Voice 4: Just

[0:31:45] Voice 21: to continue the market, as a resident, I'm told I'm fairly new here, even though it's been on six years.

[0:31:55] Voice 21: I really appreciated the market, but I wanted to distinguish between the craft and arts market and also the provision of local food produce and other amenities that come with the market.

[0:32:15] Voice 21: And I really appreciate the openness and trust that the market area gives to the residents.

[0:32:24] Voice 21: So thank you for that.

[0:32:31] Voice 14: So my name is Michelle and I'm going to carry on speaking about how Little Farm can do.

[0:32:37] Voice 14: We are the most immediate neighbors and never has the presence of either the, I'll call

[0:32:45] Voice 14: the craft market for certification and the food market ever has it ever caused us any issues

[0:32:53] Voice 14: whatsoever and i think it's important to note that because as i say we are the person most directly

[0:32:59] Voice 14: thank you

[0:33:01] Voice 8: and

[0:33:03] Voice 9: i'd just like to make a comment regarding that property and a level of service

[0:33:10] Voice 9: that they provide, and also the dock and the landing area, which was recently updated with

[0:33:18] Voice 9: huge expense that Chris and Marilyn put out.

[0:33:23] Voice 9: It beautifies the harbour, a harbour that's a working harbour for both fishers, First

[0:33:30] Voice 9: Nations and recreational boaters, and to allow dinghies to come up to that dock to use the

[0:33:37] Voice 9: market was a really smart idea and uh i i think that nothing should be on the agenda about removing

[0:33:46] Voice 9: such stocks especially at the cost that they incur trying to upgrade the funds yes

[0:33:57] Voice 3: um my name is lynn

[0:33:59] Voice 3: i'm just speaking to this issue in general as far as markets go and things like that

[0:34:06] Voice 3: we've got quite an aging population on this island and sometimes we're not able to get to town for

[0:34:12] Voice 3: whatever reason and if the big one or anything should happen um this is what we count on i mean

[0:34:21] Voice 3: really it's it's just amazing it's been fantastic how we will market and people growing food and

[0:34:28] Voice 3: and having eggs and, you know, whatever Dolly Farms brings in,

[0:34:33] Voice 3: beautiful produce from other places on the island.

[0:34:36] Voice 3: I don't know what I'd do without it, quite frankly.

[0:34:39] Voice 3: And it's local food.

[0:34:41] Voice 3: I mean, this is what we should be doing, regenerative agriculture,

[0:34:45] Voice 3: bringing everything down to the community.

[0:34:47] Voice 3: And this is

[0:34:48] Voice 3: happening on this, and a lot of the voters that come here,

[0:34:52] Voice 3: they come here.

[0:34:52] Voice 3: That's a destination to go to that little market.

[0:34:55] Voice 3: If it's closed it wouldn't be the same. There's a lot of tourism coming here which supports all the other businesses and I just think this is wrong and

[0:35:06] Voice 16: the rules, I don't know, it

[0:35:10] Voice 3: just destroys what is created here that's really, really special.

[0:35:16] Voice 8: Thank you.

[0:35:21] Yes.

[0:35:21] Voice 19: Just in keeping with the market theme, my new comment is that you're based on complaints.

[0:35:31] Voice 19: You don't come out looking or spying on neighbors, but I just find it very concerning that one

[0:35:41] Voice 19: complaint that remains anonymous cannot be said who made the complaint and tried to write

[0:35:50] Voice 19: like a 25-year-old prisoner started his arrival to the asylum and it's just caused, it's brought

[0:36:00] Voice 19: the community together but also caused division of people talking, who's sad, no they did,

[0:36:08] Voice 19: no they did.

[0:36:10] Voice 19: Is there any way in your bylaws that could be changed if you are filing a complaint,

[0:36:17] Voice 19: their name is known?

[0:36:21] Voice 4: um i'll ask manager dingman to speak to that but um i do know that it is honest trust cannot accept

[0:36:29] Voice 4: anonymous complaints that is not we can't follow up on it and and our officers do um if it's a

[0:36:37] Voice 4: an issue sometimes they can engage in mediation i mean you need to verify the source of the complaint

[0:36:43] Voice 4: but that does rest with our vital enforcement team it's not shared with the public for obvious

[0:36:49] Voice 4: reasons that we wouldn't want to get into back and forth that's that's not our job our job is

[0:36:56] Voice 4: land use by law enforcement and compliance it is not about people and so um i don't know if

[0:37:02] Voice 4: manager dingman if you want to clarify confidentiality in the process there oh you're

[0:37:09] Voice 4: muted uh warren yes

[0:37:12] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: i can do that chair so while when we receive a complaint as you've already

[0:37:19] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: stated uh it cannot be anonymous uh but the complainant uh information is kept confidential

[0:37:27] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: so it's known to staff and honest trust to the complaint it is but we don't release the name of

[0:37:34] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: that complainant uh to any other party um i will note that if we're doing it we get the complaint

[0:37:43] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: we're doing an investigation so people are concerned that the complainant is their accuser

[0:37:49] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: and it's important to note that the complainant is not their accuser no action is going to be

[0:37:54] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: taken unless an honest bylaw officer can identify a contravention so it's islands trust staff the

[0:38:01] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: bylaw officer saying this is a contravention of the bylaw and this is why you need to take steps

[0:38:06] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: towards compliance so if you want to use the word accuser it's the bylaw officer who is stating

[0:38:13] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: you're in contravention of the bylaw it's not the person or witness submitting the complaint

[0:38:19] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: complaint they're submitting information on to us we follow up on it yes we make attempts to verify

[0:38:26] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: that this person is real that their contact information is real so that it's not being

[0:38:32] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: done for some malicious purpose and of course with your new trust council policies it's very

[0:38:37] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: clear if the complaint is frivolous or vexatious we're not going to proceed with it and that new

[0:38:43] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: policy is now online for everyone to read trust council bylaw compliance enforcement policy

[0:38:49] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: C551. It's now been uploaded to the website for all to see and there means they can take certain

[0:38:57] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: steps if they have concerns about compliance and enforcement, either with the determinations made

[0:39:02] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: by bylaw officers or bylaw officer conduct. They can submit their concerns to senior staff and it

[0:39:10] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: can be followed up on. Over to you, Chair.

[0:39:13] Voice 4: Thank you so much, Warren. I did neglect to add that in

[0:39:17] Voice 4: my reports there has been an extensive project to update on this trust bylaw compliance and

[0:39:23] Voice 4: enforcement and there's there's been a big revision to our policies but as stated it's

[0:39:30] Voice 4: consistent that there's no proactive enforcement except on very specific conditions and that's

[0:39:38] Voice 4: usually structures in the setbacks to water bodies so the ocean or somebody's building a rock wall

[0:39:45] Voice 4: let's say so that's the only time our staff can proactively investigate everything else is is

[0:39:53] Voice 4: still a complaint so somebody has said it's an issue um i'm just noting that we've reached 10

[0:39:59] Voice 4: minutes uh or a little bit over is there more folks who want to address us you want to

[0:40:04] Voice 4: well so let me just can i pause for a second um so we actually have to extend the public

[0:40:10] Voice 4: participation time by uh another 10 minutes uh i'm sorry it's so formal but so moved your

[0:40:17] Voice 4: executor okay all in favor go extend the project public participation time by 10 minutes not to

[0:40:23] Voice 4: curve you at all it's just we have a new um bylaw some of our ltcs go on for a long time

[0:40:30] Voice 4: yes please over to you um thank

[0:40:32] Voice 16: you um i'd just like to say that i find your

[0:40:35] Voice 16: schooling on civics and ethics to be a little bit condescending, and just this whole, I'm

[0:40:45] Voice 16: not used to speaking in public, but I just find that the oversight of the government

[0:40:54] Voice 16: is just far too much, and what's at stake is a principle here, it's not essentially

[0:41:02] Voice 16: hits but it's this whole freedom the chickens i mean this is cbrd i know but it's just so

[0:41:08] Voice 16: ridiculous we're spending all this money somebody's printing up reports it's just absurd

[0:41:13] Voice 16: and uh and this whole meeting is sort of very theatrical and the way development functions

[0:41:18] Voice 16: right now and i'd like to know where where this is coming from this ideology that we need to be

[0:41:25] Voice 16: forced into a corner we can't do this we can't do that i mean who's telling you to do to

[0:41:31] Voice 16: to enforce all this bylaw stuff, it's absolutely the same as what it is, and anyway, let's

[0:41:40] Voice 16: keep going, I have more clear points, but anyway, it's just so outrageous, and it's

[0:41:47] Voice 16: not specifically this, it's a principle behind what's driving this whole government

[0:41:53] Voice 16: oversight and overreach.

[0:41:55] Voice 16: All we have to do is look to Ireland, and once we're around us in the world, it's a

[0:42:00] Voice 16: much bigger picture that's coming down from above and that's what's driving this and i don't know

[0:42:05] Voice 16: where you receive your doctoration but i find it really atrocious

[0:42:11] Voice 8: is

[0:42:15] Voice 4: there anybody else who wishes to ask any um

[0:42:18] Voice 18: i would like to uh get some

[0:42:21] Voice 18: clarification from lauren it's uh christian can you hear me lauren um

[0:42:31] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: Oh,

[0:42:33] Voice 18: thank you. I just want to get clarification on this complaint-driven. I understand this

[0:42:40] Voice 18: is not specific to the Hollywood farm, but as a bylaws officer, you are investigating

[0:42:48] Voice 18: complaints. You do not investigate any other situations that you see that are breaking

[0:42:58] Voice 18: the bylaws only the ones that are complained is that correct so

[0:43:03] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: with the new trust council policies

[0:43:05] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: and with some policies adopted by local trust committees yes we're ensuring that there's a

[0:43:10] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: narrow focus to investigations so it's all set out in policy um as far as what the bylaw officer

[0:43:20] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: is going to look at and it's always been the case that we can't take a broad approach anyway

[0:43:25] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: anyway, just by judicial decision, which says, okay, if we go to a property and there's a

[0:43:32] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: complaint against siting, we don't then investigate uses on the property. That has been clear to bylaw

[0:43:39] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: staff because of judicial decision for decades. So, and the new policies the trust council has

[0:43:46] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: adopted are making it clear that bylaw officers are to limit their investigations on the property

[0:43:51] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: to the complaint received unless of course it involves there are references to concerns about

[0:43:59] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: health and safety but primarily they would be looking at if it's a development permit area

[0:44:05] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: involved or set back from water then paul then the biologist is going to take a little bit broader

[0:44:12] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: approach if he sees those contraventions that require permits from islands trust in specific

[0:44:18] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: relation to development permit areas and the water so hopefully that answers your question

[0:44:23] Voice 18: well what i'm thinking warren is that um if you are on a property investigating a complaint

[0:44:32] Voice 18: and you look across the fence regardless of how high it is and you see that the property

[0:44:39] Voice 18: adjoining it is violating several bylaws you ignore that because it's not there's been no

[0:44:46] Voice 18: complaint is that right correct

[0:44:49] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: we would have no grounds to investigate any property where there's

[0:44:53] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: no complaint or investigate a property where there's no development permit area on it or no

[0:44:58] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: water body of any kind so yes we're ignoring we see lots of contraventions we go to the islands

[0:45:04] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: as do planning staff they see them all the time but if we don't have a complaint a written complaint

[0:45:11] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: complaint we're not going around looking at these properties thank

[0:45:16] Voice 18: you and

[0:45:18] Voice 4: just to be clear we can

[0:45:19] Voice 4: always email um the planning office if you've got those specific questions or you you really need to

[0:45:26] Voice 4: understand the process we do encourage you to email um staff and they can help you with that

[0:45:31] Voice 4: because it really is important we get it clear we're not giving you information or impressions

[0:45:37] Voice 4: that are true. If I may, through the chair, the email is northinfo at iowameasttrust.bc.ca.

[0:45:48] Voice 4: And that information is also on the website. If you can't find it, give us a call through the

[0:45:55] Voice 4: mail. And I just want to be careful about trying to litigate a bylaw enforcement issue

[0:46:01] Voice 4: to the public forum. We're here to hear your concerns. Ultimately, it's usually done in

[0:46:09] Voice 4: closed meeting because we don't want to violate people's personal privacy. So this is a bit

[0:46:16] Voice 4: unusual and I'm sort of trying to listen to the community that we, what you need here

[0:46:22] Voice 4: today. But it's clear there is keen interest in seeing this issue resolved and in a good

[0:46:28] Voice 4: way continuing the community tone and market and spirit that you have is there anybody else

[0:46:37] Voice 4: who wishes to address us um and i'll go with first-time speakers yes go ahead my concern is

[0:46:43] Voice 17: that this kind of thing brings out that we all know that we have a neighbor that's kind of

[0:46:51] Voice 17: annoying and does this thing or a lot of us have neighbors that do their own thing we're a really

[0:46:55] Voice 17: good supportive community so we basically if we're really unhappy with something we can tend to go to

[0:47:03] Voice 17: our neighbor and say hey you know could you not do this on a sunday because we have company

[0:47:09] Voice 17: can you not do this because it's a nice warm day and we really don't want to listen to your

[0:47:14] Voice 17: equipment all day those kinds of things can be dealt with in the community and i'm sure with

[0:47:20] Voice 17: Chris the parking got to be a little issue because of the traffic and people would go really slow

[0:47:26] Voice 17: because people were walking around and he dealt with that. He made a parking spot for it so that

[0:47:31] Voice 17: all the traffic could get off the road. So that's kind of thing in this community because we're

[0:47:36] Voice 17: really supportive of each other tremendously. When we moved here we were so surprised that the

[0:47:43] Voice 17: spark dots were up. When we came here we had issues and the whole bunch of people came over

[0:47:48] Voice 17: and help us so this is what this community is about never mind all the other communities over

[0:47:53] Voice 17: there this community can survive if we can take care of our own stuff and not have somebody come

[0:47:59] Voice 17: in and say hey because if you're going to do that people are going to start complaining and saying

[0:48:04] Voice 17: hey if he can't do it then he shouldn't sort of thing i don't know if we want to go there

[0:48:10] Voice 17: there yeah

[0:48:11] Voice 4: i thank you for that and i will say that our bylaw officers do not

[0:48:16] Voice 4: um arbitrate civil disputes if it's a civil issue neighbor to neighbor we do expect and hope

[0:48:25] Voice 4: you are working it out that is not our jurisdiction even the land use bylaw and we all have to be

[0:48:31] Voice 4: mindful there is a silent constituent of the environment which is what the object of the trust

[0:48:36] Voice 4: the entire purpose of this government is to uphold and that's what your land use bylaw is structured

[0:48:41] Voice 4: around but it does sometimes get into neighborhood disputes and that's when a bylaw officer has to

[0:48:47] Voice 4: say hey this isn't a contravention of the land use bylaw you guys need to work this out so but

[0:48:53] Voice 4: i hear that and i'm glad that that's the spirit of this community yes um lynn do you have another

[0:49:00] Voice 4: to comment uh yes uh your

[0:49:03] Voice 20: 9.2 the cow developed regional district official community

[0:49:07] Voice 17: plan bylaw

[0:49:08] Voice 17: 4710 referral it is not an official community plan bylaw it is a comprehensive zoning bylaw

[0:49:24] Voice 4: and it is as of um friday on the agenda for the wednesday meeting that uh the 22nd of

[0:49:35] Voice 4: uh april and

[0:49:39] Voice 17: it is to see the recommendation is to cease so i believe that the best

[0:49:47] Voice 17: with regards to this is it be postponed your referral

[0:49:55] Voice 4: through the chair to clarify that um the title of 9.2 on the agenda that's on page two

[0:50:05] Voice 4: is a typo that should say it should refer to the california valley regional district referral

[0:50:19] Voice 4: So the error was referring to it as the efficient community plan, it's their comprehensive.

[0:50:26] Voice 4: So it's it's correct in the briefing and it's just the title of the agenda.

[0:50:31] Voice 4: So it is

[0:50:32] Voice 17: on their agenda for the meeting on

[0:50:36] Voice 4: the 22nd.

[0:50:37] Voice 4: The recommendation

[0:50:38] Voice 17: is before them.

[0:50:42] Voice 17: That is put before them will be to cease

[0:50:46] Voice 4: Thank you

[0:50:48] Voice 4: Yes, I don't have any first-time speakers before we go to a second time. I'm sorry. I'm just yes in the back

[0:50:55] Voice 4: Kelly banister really sir.

[0:50:57] Voice 5: I can wait. I inserted when I

[0:51:00] Voice 4: Was gonna be on the general so I apologize. I missed most of the discussion

[0:51:05] Voice 4: That was probably valid. I have I guess two questions probably for one

[0:51:09] Voice 4: one um really super simple if a complaint comes forward and it's something like something on this

[0:51:20] Voice 4: property is too close to the property line and the measurement is taken and it sounds to not be

[0:51:26] Voice 14: the case it is within the bylaws can that be just dismissed as a complaint second if a complaint is

[0:51:36] Voice 14: there's no permit or lease or something when it's down to be yes there is and

[0:51:42] Voice 14: that just be dismissed thirdly when a complaint comes forward

[0:51:47] Voice 17: what about the

[0:51:49] Voice 17: process of remediation rather than sticking with the complaint should a

[0:51:57] Voice 17: complainant be allowed to remain anonymous making complaints that

[0:52:03] Voice 14: may not

[0:52:04] Voice 14: have validity and not be required to go through mediation is that fair is that reasonable what's

[0:52:13] Voice 14: the threshold of reasonable when money time stress all sorts of

[0:52:20] Voice 4: stuff arise by prolonging

[0:52:22] Voice 4: a complaint that may not have a legitimate basis and could be dismissed

[0:52:27] Voice 4: i missed the discussion i

[0:52:29] Voice 4: I apologize. I'm kind of annoyed because I'm supposed to take time to put in the agenda.

[0:52:36] Voice 4: That's why I put it in. But I understand the shame.

[0:52:39] Voice 4: So I'm sorry if my questions weren't answered. That's my question. Thank you.

[0:52:44] Voice 4: So we have answered the question. No anonymous complaints cannot be taken.

[0:52:48] Voice 4: They are kept confidential by law enforcement. But since you specifically asked,

[0:52:53] Voice 4: So I'll ask Manager Dingman to speak to the three queries of categorizing complaints and can they be dismissed?

[0:53:00] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:53:03] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: So, Chair, if we receive the written complaint, the biologist does an investigation of the property.

[0:53:09] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: If there's no contravention, then the file is closed.

[0:53:12] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: It's a very straightforward process.

[0:53:14] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: And this does happen where, yes, we go take the measurements for setbacks and the setbacks are fine.

[0:53:21] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: So the file is closed.

[0:53:23] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: We don't use the word dismissed.

[0:53:24] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: missed it's just there's no contravention file closed if they have the necessary permits

[0:53:31] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: again the there's no contravention there's a permit in place and the file is closed

[0:53:38] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: and if there are no contraventions on the property and if a complainant is informed of this fact and

[0:53:46] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: they continue to make complaints and if there's no reasonable grounds to believe there is any

[0:53:52] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: any contravention then they're stepping into the lane of being a vexatious complainant and they'll

[0:53:58] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: be told that and they'll be told to not work there's no further work for us to do and you know

[0:54:04] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: it is sometimes necessary to say that they are being vexatious and we're not going to proceed

[0:54:10] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: on any more of those complaints from them there are some very persistent people but the process

[0:54:17] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: isn't run by the complainant the process is the whole process is run by staff and we follow the

[0:54:23] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: policy set down by the trust council or a local trust committee over to you chair thank

[0:54:30] Voice 4: you and

[0:54:31] Voice 4: i do i do want to know just for everyone's direction there is a necessary separation

[0:54:36] Voice 4: between this body and bylaw enforcement so the islands trust and the local trust committee have

[0:54:44] Voice 4: influence over policies and directions and priorities some local trust committees have

[0:54:49] Voice 4: set a priority for instance proactive enforcement of short-term vacation rentals it's a problem in

[0:54:55] Voice 4: their community so they give that kind of political direction but there is a separation between

[0:55:01] Voice 4: bylaw enforcement they have to follow up on the law as it exists it does need to be fair to

[0:55:06] Voice 4: everybody so i just wanted to clarify that we're not in this place to arbitrate um an investigation

[0:55:12] Voice 4: does need to be followed and they sometimes bring a report back and then we can say well this is

[0:55:17] Voice 4: you know not a contravention well they determine the contravention we get the information so

[0:55:22] Voice 4: there's a lot of learning that's happening now um but i do want to encourage you to go to the website

[0:55:28] Voice 4: for that updated um by law enforcement review project it's under uh what's happening and there

[0:55:35] Voice 4: is a whole library of updates which goes very specifically through some of the questions

[0:55:42] Voice 4: that you are asking about what happens if this then that so thank you for that and i i um

[0:55:49] Voice 4: i made the time to come and i'm not going to go to your website i'm sorry i just don't have that

[0:55:54] Voice 4: bandwidth or space right now i'm asking because i believe that this is a vexatious complaint

[0:55:59] Voice 4: and that the from what i understand the um the

[0:56:04] Voice 14: complaints are not valid and i don't understand

[0:56:08] Voice 14: and while it's still open.

[0:56:10] Voice 4: Thank you for the information.

[0:56:12] Voice 4: Do I have any first-time speakers?

[0:56:14] Voice 4: Just knowing there's a few more people that have come into the room.

[0:56:17] Voice 4: This is our public participation time.

[0:56:20] Voice 4: You can speak to us about anything on the agenda

[0:56:22] Voice 4: or items of concern in your community.

[0:56:24] Voice 4: But this is your only time to address the Local Trust Committee,

[0:56:27] Voice 4: and then we'll continue on with our business.

[0:56:29] Voice 4: So just one more time for first-time speakers.

[0:56:32] Voice 4: And if you can come closer to the camera,

[0:56:34] Voice 4: around which so that we can the recorder can pick up your voice

[0:56:38] Voice 20: yeah so i would just like to know

[0:56:41] Voice 20: on the agenda it has this for our community at 11 o'clock i came early expecting this to happen

[0:56:48] Voice 20: and here you are giving our community time and it's too early so uh where is a chance for our

[0:56:58] Voice 20: community to discuss these issues when the agenda appears to be uh untimely so thank you just just

[0:57:07] Voice 4: to clarify on the agenda it says 9 50 public participation so if there there's a misunderstanding

[0:57:15] Voice 4: our correspondence section is at 11 o'clock and when we deal with correspondence is when we say

[0:57:22] Voice 4: what do we do with this piece and that piece but the time to address the local committee was set

[0:57:27] Voice 4: for 9 50 so I apologize that that was not well known perhaps your trustees can communicate that

[0:57:34] Voice 4: through e-spokes that the public participation is your time to come because I heard that

[0:57:39] Voice 4: from a few

[0:57:40] Voice 20: people it's very confusing as well as your website to navigate your website get that information

[0:57:45] Voice 20: understand what these things even mean I'm first time to one of your meetings so that is certainly

[0:57:51] Voice 20: we all meet but i'd also like to understand the process and make sure that these issues are

[0:57:57] Voice 20: addressed by as many of our community as would like to support us so thank you appreciate that

[0:58:04] Voice 20: feedback yes

[0:58:05] Voice 14: what happened if i may is that an e-spokes it said it would be at 11 someone posted

[0:58:11] Voice 14: the e-spokes and said it would be at 11 i went on your website this meeting when you hit on meetings

[0:58:17] Voice 14: doesn't even come up on the website this morning you have to go back and enter the date to find

[0:58:23] Voice 14: this meeting and then i saw oh on the agenda the public participation is at whatever and the 11

[0:58:31] Voice 14: o'clock is for correspondence so that's where this whole miss um information has come and and

[0:58:38] Voice 14: furthermore um i there is a i'm going to say a rumor for lack of a better word that the meetings

[0:58:46] Voice 14: will not the dates for the meetings will not be posted on e-sports anymore and i i wasn't able

[0:58:51] Voice 14: to find that anywhere but i think posting on e-sports so this is a slightly different topic

[0:58:56] Voice 14: than the farm but it relates right so i think posting on e-sports is vital absolutely to let

[0:59:02] Voice 14: the community know um so i just wanted to clarify that for you that's why i was

[0:59:07] Voice 14: thank you very much yeah and this meeting

[0:59:09] Voice 4: was not posted

[0:59:10] Voice 14: sorry you guys not

[0:59:11] Voice 4: have multiple voices

[0:59:13] Voice 4: choices, just because we've got a reporter who's taking notes so that that can come forward

[0:59:17] Voice 4: to your agenda. So, Trustee Luckham, did you have a comment about that?

[0:59:23] Voice 11: I did. I thought it might be helpful to hear a local trustee on this topic. I can see that

[0:59:33] Voice 11: that is difficult, puts you in a difficult position. There's a number of things to think

[0:59:43] Voice 11: about here um you know we're a local government and local governments conduct business in a certain

[0:59:50] Voice 11: way and that's just the way that is and one of them is and definitely there are problems

[1:00:00] Voice 11: and the process is fraught with problems.

[1:00:02] Voice 11: But the meeting agenda is published.

[1:00:05] Voice 11: And it's not clear, unless you follow along

[1:00:11] Voice 11: or participate in some fashion,

[1:00:14] Voice 11: that the meeting agenda is the meeting agenda of this body,

[1:00:19] Voice 11: the business of the body.

[1:00:21] Voice 11: And it conducts its business amongst those sitting

[1:00:26] Voice 11: at the table here as required.

[1:00:32] Voice 11: We have a public participation as an item listed on our agenda that indeed was scheduled for 9.50.

[1:00:39] Voice 11: And the particular items we're interested in are anywhere from 11 o'clock and on.

[1:00:46] Voice 11: There is not normally a way to engage with the public on every business item on the agenda.

[1:00:57] Voice 11: And so the opportunity to speak to items on the agenda is during the public participation.

[1:01:04] Voice 11: So if anybody wants to come to an Islands Trust meeting and find out what's going on, be here for the public participation piece.

[1:01:13] Voice 11: That's your opportunity. There's some flexibility there that can be exercised.

[1:01:19] Voice 11: And so I apologize if that's difficult and misunderstanding.

[1:01:23] Voice 11: understanding. And I chuckled to myself when somebody said, well, I went for the calendar

[1:01:27] Voice 11: today and the Theta Salon meeting is no longer on the agenda. That has frustrated me too.

[1:01:34] Voice 11: And because for some reason, the role, although it was live this morning at about seven o'clock

[1:01:40] Voice 11: when I looked at it, it was still there, but there's somewhere where a clock rolls over and

[1:01:44] Voice 11: it goes to the next meeting is tomorrow because this meeting is already scheduled for today and

[1:01:51] Voice 11: And the web doesn't figure it out.

[1:01:52] Voice 11: So there's a little anomaly there that's reasonable to consider.

[1:01:56] Voice 11: And I would say that, you know, you can hear it in people's voices.

[1:02:00] Voice 11: It's causing a great deal of anxiety.

[1:02:03] Voice 11: And I'm sorry for that.

[1:02:05] Voice 11: I don't control the website.

[1:02:07] Voice 11: If I did, it would be different.

[1:02:10] Voice 11: But I just wanted to say it's a process.

[1:02:13] Voice 11: We try to accommodate it as best we can.

[1:02:18] Voice 11: And then the other thing just in going on,

[1:02:21] Voice 11: I just wanted to mention, and I'd invite Ken to maybe say something if you chose as well.

[1:02:27] Voice 11: But, you know, as a trustee, I get lots of complaints from people.

[1:02:35] Voice 11: Some of you in the room.

[1:02:36] Voice 11: On a fairly regular basis.

[1:02:39] Voice 11: And, you know, I listen.

[1:02:42] Voice 11: And my advice at that initial conversation when somebody's complaining about their neighbor,

[1:02:48] Voice 11: I'm worried about someone's doing this.

[1:02:51] Voice 11: Have you talked to your neighbor?

[1:02:53] Voice 11: Because that's really fundamentally the beginning of the story.

[1:02:57] Voice 11: It is, talk to your neighbor.

[1:02:59] Voice 11: And those of you that have spoken to me on this issue, you know, I say that, talk to your neighbor.

[1:03:03] Voice 11: And if you can't resolve it, then you need to submit a complaint to the Ops Trust.

[1:03:09] Voice 11: Well, it's interesting, the next part of that conversation goes, oh, well, I don't want to make a complaint.

[1:03:14] Voice 11: Because I don't want my neighbor coming after me, or his friends coming after me.

[1:03:19] Voice 11: And it's unfortunate that, guess what?

[1:03:22] Voice 11: one, that feeling does exist. I'm not going to complain because somebody's going to retaliate

[1:03:29] Voice 11: against me. And indeed, the languages are really firing on the Hollywood thing. I apologize for

[1:03:35] Voice 11: that. However, absolutely, if you can be resolved with your neighbor, or maybe even your close

[1:03:45] Voice 11: friends, you know, you need some support. I often inquire about things. But at the end of the day,

[1:03:53] Voice 11: I have to say, I'm not by law enforcement, I can't go and tell him not to do that. And then,

[1:03:59] Voice 11: according to that conversation is going to unfold, who was it that complained?

[1:04:03] Voice 11: All of that, right? So it's not a perfect process. And I really appreciate everybody being here today.

[1:04:15] Voice 8: And

[1:04:15] Voice 11: I'm sorry that it causes some difficulty and stress. But let's try and work through it.

[1:04:21] Voice 11: Thank

[1:04:22] Voice 4: you. So again, I saw second-time speakers. David, I don't know if you still want to.

[1:04:29] Voice 4: Yes, very much. I

[1:04:31] Voice 13: just wanted to say, Chris and I serve on the board commission. We call

[1:04:36] Voice 13: bylaw enforcement people on a regular basis because there are things where votes stay

[1:04:44] Voice 13: stay over and call it an option for people using the dock.

[1:04:49] Voice 13: Bylaw is an important part of our community,

[1:04:51] Voice 13: enforcement is an important part of our community.

[1:04:58] Voice 13: So I understand Chris's position here and stuff

[1:05:02] Voice 13: and I'm supporting him.

[1:05:04] Voice 13: And this needs to get resolved,

[1:05:09] Voice 13: but I don't want to leave the sense

[1:05:11] Voice 13: in the sense that we want to just have no bylaw enforcement on Key Asylum.

[1:05:20] Voice 13: Bylaw enforcement has been used to correct a few wrongs on this island,

[1:05:25] Voice 13: and it has helped us make that public dock a workable thing

[1:05:31] Voice 13: that there's something there for the whole community.

[1:05:34] Voice 13: So I just wanted to throw that out.

[1:05:36] Voice 19: Okay.

[1:05:37] Voice 19: Yes?

[1:05:38] Voice 19: This is a quick comment with regard to the confusion of the timeline of the agenda.

[1:05:45] Voice 19: I'm puzzled why our local trustees didn't inform us, folks.

[1:05:52] Voice 19: Didn't make it clear when to come, if you want to speak or not.

[1:05:57] Voice 19: We heard about it from an island neighbor.

[1:06:02] Voice 19: And yes, the website is hard to follow.

[1:06:06] Voice 19: They helped us out.

[1:06:09] Voice 19: Your words. Thanks.

[1:06:15] Voice 4: And so I recognize you for a third time. But there's a few

[1:06:20] Voice 4: other first time speakers, we will have to extend the meeting

[1:06:23] Voice 4: or the public time. I'm sorry to be so formal. But do you want to

[1:06:29] Voice 4: keep going for another 10 minutes?

[1:06:30] Voice 5: We go as long as

[1:06:32] Voice 5: business. Okay,

[1:06:33] Voice 4: so move on to continue for another 10 minutes.

[1:06:35] Voice 4: so moved seconded all in favor that is carried all in favor oh thank

[1:06:41] Voice 4: you that is carried

[1:06:43] Voice 4: um sir

[1:06:44] Voice 4: in the back can you come a little closer because the the the camera needs to pick up the voices

[1:06:49] Voice 4: or the minute because if you're speaking

[1:06:59] Voice 4: I'm sorry, I thought you had your address, anybody else, yes, my name is

[1:07:12] Voice 4: I'm a little bit closer, okay, and I

[1:07:14] Voice 4: am a neighbor of Chris, I'm sorry I get so nervous,

[1:07:21] Voice 4: I would like to speak to the bylaw enforcement officer because I think a little gentler approach

[1:07:29] Voice 4: would be good in the future. For instance, Rochelle is a neighbor. I'm a neighbor. There's

[1:07:36] Voice 4: another very close neighbor. If we had just been informed or maybe a question asked of us,

[1:07:44] Voice 4: You know, how is this going across the street?

[1:07:47] Voice 4: But you think about this, how they will market.

[1:07:52] Voice 4: We could have given our support right at the get go and maybe changed the fierceness of

[1:08:00] Voice 4: this whole process because we really need to protect what has been there for so long.

[1:08:07] Voice 4: Islands Trust has been probably in existence not much longer than Chris Peck is hounding the farm market.

[1:08:14] Voice 4: So the things that are precious, we really need to try to keep here.

[1:08:22] Voice 4: And if the bylaw enforcement officer could also speak to the local trustees, just get a feeling for this.

[1:08:30] Voice 4: Because I know you both totally agree that this is kind of crazy.

[1:08:36] Voice 4: crazy, even

[1:08:38] Voice 3: though a bylaw may have

[1:08:39] Voice 4: been closed down.

[1:08:44] Voice 4: But in some cases, the bylaw, you know, is it egregious or not?

[1:08:50] Voice 4: It's not egregious.

[1:08:51] Voice 4: It's not causing harm.

[1:08:53] Voice 4: We need the money and the resources to go to things that are egregious, that are really

[1:09:00] Voice 4: hurting the environment, hurting the island.

[1:09:03] Voice 4: you know but this is not the case yes

[1:09:07] Voice 5: thank

[1:09:09] Voice 9: you chair um the real problem here is that

[1:09:15] Voice 9: yes it wasn't explained at the very beginning what the problem was and it's the fact is it's

[1:09:24] Voice 9: we're not supposed to be talking about it's coming up on the agenda here at 13.1 there's

[1:09:30] Voice 9: It's going to be a staff report, which clearly indicates why there is a bunch of law enforcement

[1:09:37] Voice 9: on this property.

[1:09:40] Voice 9: So I understand that people are extremely upset that there's a chance that the market

[1:09:47] Voice 9: is going to be shut.

[1:09:48] Voice 9: It's not going to be shut down.

[1:09:52] Voice 9: You know, 850 people are in support.

[1:09:56] Voice 9: Did anyone see one single negative comment about how it was?

[1:10:02] Voice 9: No.

[1:10:02] Voice 9: No. So the problem is there's no residents.

[1:10:07] Voice 9: Now there is a resident.

[1:10:09] Voice 9: So it's going to go away.

[1:10:11] Voice 9: So let's get to 13.1 later in the program.

[1:10:16] Voice 9: I don't have an o'clock and it'll be clear what's going on.

[1:10:24] Voice 9: Thank you.

[1:10:27] Voice 4: Yes. Third time, Lynn, and then Mr. Begg,

[1:10:33] Voice 4: and you know

[1:10:36] Voice 11: I just want to clarify um when we get to that report in the agenda

[1:10:42] Voice 11: is the local trustee committee able to ask questions um normally we think of them as

[1:10:50] Voice 11: an applicant but in this case you may be the person whom the bylaw enforcement is

[1:10:56] Voice 11: against do we have that opportunity to ask Mr. Pegg questions in the report

[1:11:02] Voice 11: this

[1:11:02] Voice 4: is a very unusual situation because normally file enforcement is not this is kind of an

[1:11:09] Voice 4: adjudication and this isn't actually appropriate so it's a we're in a really tough position this

[1:11:15] Voice 4: is your our time to hear from community right we've heard a lot of your concerns we have a

[1:11:20] Voice 4: report there is some information um but i'm i think it would be up to mr peg and local trust

[1:11:29] Voice 4: committee if you want to ask questions and you're willing to answer um advice from staff would be

[1:11:38] Voice 4: welcome through the chair and i'll also prompt manager dingman as well um the any specific

[1:11:46] Voice 4: information on the file um would be for a closed matter that's what i'm i'm recommending the staff

[1:11:56] Voice 4: to put this on the agenda on page 70 is simply to present information and to explain some higher

[1:12:03] Voice 4: level information about a little bit about the file but not going into deliberating the file or

[1:12:11] Voice 4: the complaint in that matter so if there are questions that the ltc does have i would suggest

[1:12:18] Voice 4: suggest perhaps on break to the property owners if they would like to hang around and we can

[1:12:26] Voice 4: add it to talk about a cold post

[1:12:29] Voice 8: item

[1:12:30] Voice 4: for any specific yeah because it's really about a private

[1:12:35] Voice 4: property and and issues that they or may not be of concern and normally that's adjudicated with

[1:12:43] Voice 4: by law enforcement and it is to ensure impartiality um it's tough to put your local trustees in a

[1:12:50] Voice 4: position of yes this is important no this is not this is why we set policy to say these things are

[1:12:57] Voice 4: important to investigate um but should refrain from directing by law enforcement um to do certain

[1:13:07] Voice 4: actions or not we can of course say there's an issue people are telling me there's an issue here

[1:13:12] Voice 4: But you see the difference between you have to have professionals who are objective, your local trust committee is here to set policy and direction.

[1:13:23] Voice 4: But yes, this is all here happening in community life.

[1:13:28] Voice 4: So we're doing the best we can.

[1:13:29] Voice 4: Yes, Mr. Pegg.

[1:13:31] Voice 18: Thank you.

[1:13:32] Voice 18: I would like to point out for the people that have come later, even though it's on the agenda at 11, that I've had an opportunity to speak, and I thank everybody for that, and I have all of the letters and all of the signatures, and I'm going to be giving them to Renee at the end of the meeting, and that includes yours, Nan, as well.

[1:14:00] Voice 18: so for the record mad deals because I noticed that you picked a few letters but there's a lot more

[1:14:06] Voice 18: so everybody's already here and I'm going to be giving them and the trust committee has given me

[1:14:13] Voice 18: the opportunity to see I'm sorry for the confusion on the time yes thank you maybe

[1:14:19] Voice 11: I'll just ask

[1:14:20] Voice 11: my question that's that's all right um um so Chris thanks for the letters and the signatures

[1:14:28] Voice 11: ensures that's helpful um in one of the communications that came via email and i'm

[1:14:35] Voice 11: assuming that's public um you sort of gave us an update on progress of achieving compliance

[1:14:42] Voice 11: and that includes and i'm i'm grateful for the activities you're undertaking you're potentially

[1:14:48] Voice 11: you're creating a residence which is another home for somebody who's on theaters

[1:14:52] Voice 11: on that property in order to allow the bylaw to be respected in its way.

[1:14:59] Voice 11: And so you're in a conversation with the bylaw enforcement back and forth.

[1:15:04] Voice 11: Is it fair to me, based upon your update, that that is moving along

[1:15:08] Voice 11: and progressing towards retaining the market stand and the like there

[1:15:15] Voice 11: when you conclude this accommodation of creating a dwelling on that property?

[1:15:21] Voice 11: Is that going well?

[1:15:23] Voice 11: That's the question. Is it going well?

[1:15:26] Voice 11: Yeah.

[1:15:27] Voice 18: I'm doing everything that I can to comply.

[1:15:32] Voice 18: I have from the year 2006.

[1:15:35] I have letters from the province.

[1:15:37] I have leases.

[1:15:39] I pay

[1:15:39] Voice 18: property taxes.

[1:15:41] Voice 18: I have a letter from Island.

[1:15:45] Voice 18: Yes, it's going well.

[1:15:48] Voice 18: I'm doing everything I can.

[1:15:51] Voice 18: I've taken the exposure.

[1:15:53] Voice 18: um just trying to resolve the matter um

[1:15:58] Voice 11: in a friendly way okay that's really terrific

[1:16:02] Voice 11: chris thank you because my expectation is that it will be resolved and as you said in a friendly way

[1:16:08] Voice 11: so that's great okay and

[1:16:10] Voice 4: there was a question asked about mediation um and it is a trust policy

[1:16:16] Voice 4: not to go right to you know not to finding and you know extreme forms it's working towards compliance

[1:16:23] Voice 4: and there are various paths towards that so that's it's a conversation um so thank you for asking how

[1:16:29] Voice 4: it's going thank you for being here and being responsive really appreciate that um recognizing

[1:16:36] Voice 4: there's more people in the room uh we've been having an extensive discussion since 9 50 a.m

[1:16:43] Voice 4: many of the concerns have been expressed um about the howling wolf uh enforcement file we've heard

[1:16:50] Voice 4: from manager dingman i'm just sort of summarizing for some of the people who are here in the room

[1:16:54] Voice 4: because um i think there was an impression given that 11 o'clock was the time to come and speak to

[1:17:00] Voice 4: this so um now is the time to speak to anything on the agenda um if you do want to share please

[1:17:10] Voice 4: put up your hands and you'll be given a couple minutes i'm going to first time speakers uh so

[1:17:15] Voice 4: So yeah, and there's still more people coming.

[1:17:20] Voice 4: I hope they do.

[1:17:20] Voice 4: I'm doing that.

[1:17:21] Voice 4: So I'm

[1:17:23] Voice 17: Laurel March.

[1:17:25] Voice 4: Sorry, can you come a little bit closer?

[1:17:27] Voice 4: I can't quite hear you.

[1:17:29] Voice 4: Laurel March.

[1:17:30] Voice 4: Okay.

[1:17:30] Voice 17: And I'll preface this by saying I'm a values-based person, not a rules-based person.

[1:17:37] Voice 17: And I think also that we need to be looking at the intent of the law and not the lack

[1:17:43] Voice 17: of the law because sometimes when you're going after the letter of the law you can get lost in

[1:17:48] Voice 17: the weeds and i think to speak to kimmy's observation and it's really evident in the room

[1:17:56] Voice 17: it's evident from all of the documents that chris has that the community is very much behind this

[1:18:04] Voice 17: and the bylaws are guidance as to how we live together but i think in an instance like this

[1:18:13] Voice 17: when it's so obvious where the community stands that that's what goes in my mind thank you thank

[1:18:23] Voice 4: you any first-time speakers and if that will go yep in the back there could you please come forward

[1:18:33] Voice 4: a little bit thanks i'm

[1:18:42] Voice 9: paul mcmillan uh don't worry about being late because uh confusion of

[1:18:47] Voice 9: of whatever. I'd just like to know, this is a non-trust meeting. Is this anything to do with the

[1:18:57] Voice 9: CBRD coming down hard on the farmers for selling eggs and things from their

[1:19:07] Voice 9: small farms? Does that have any... So we are not

[1:19:11] Voice 4: a decision maker on that matter.

[1:19:13] Voice 4: we do have a referral on this agenda from the CVRD so the local trust committee will

[1:19:20] Voice 4: deliberate and give its comments whether its interests are affected or not affected or

[1:19:26] Voice 4: any recommendations so but we're not a decision maker we just as the local trust committee

[1:19:32] Voice 4: say here's our referral on it so if you want to comment on it or give us your thoughts

[1:19:37] Voice 4: then we can consider that.

[1:19:40] Voice 9: I just think that the CVRD, because we're part of it, is

[1:19:45] Voice 9: sometimes a little heavy-handed.

[1:19:48] Voice 8: And

[1:19:49] Voice 9: I think that it needs to be looked at, because these farms are very important for the food.

[1:20:01] Voice 9: That's all I have to say. I just wanted to know whether it was directed from the CRD.

[1:20:07] Voice 4: no not

[1:20:08] Voice 4: not from this body thank you for your comments appreciate that um anyone else for

[1:20:14] Voice 4: first-time speakers this is your time to address local trust committee share your thoughts your

[1:20:19] Voice 4: perspective is very important to us and we want to hear from you um so that we can make decisions

[1:20:25] Voice 4: uh together the best interests of the community and the environment which of course we can't

[1:20:29] Voice 4: forget that's the whole point of the trust right anybody else no second time speakers i saw another

[1:20:36] Voice 4: hand up here. Yeah.

[1:20:39] Voice 21: I'm sort of moving on a bit. Because I'm not familiar with the bylaws and that,

[1:20:46] Voice 21: I'm wondering if you can tell me what bylaw number 116 is. 119?

[1:20:57] Voice 21: Oh 116,

[1:20:58] Voice 4: the Leading Procedure

[1:20:59] Voice 4: Bylaw. Thank

[1:21:00] Voice 21: you. I just sort of wonder what bylaw it's referring to.

[1:21:05] Voice 4: Yes, so this is coming back to

[1:21:08] Voice 4: the local trust committee there's some additional information um we i guess the short form is do you

[1:21:16] Voice 4: want me to do lots of goodness so um many of the local trust committees have different meeting

[1:21:23] Voice 4: procedures that evolve in their community um it was decided by trust council in june 2025 to have

[1:21:33] Voice 4: one meeting procedure bylaw for all of the local trust committees so we can try to

[1:21:37] Voice 4: have something efficient and so we have a repeal bylaw before you have your own local

[1:21:45] Voice 4: trust committee meeting procedure bylaw that's how your meetings are advertised

[1:21:51] Voice 4: and the rules governing that and then there's a second request for decision with some more

[1:21:59] Voice 4: information uh this local trust committee had we had added an e-spokes newsletter to the uh types

[1:22:07] Voice 4: of communication and yes uh through the chair that's the next report that's the meeting procedure

[1:22:15] Voice 4: by law um is the first part of your update uh coming through the best counsel right and uh it's

[1:22:24] Voice 4: for consistency as well across the trust with all 13 local trust areas and that will include

[1:22:32] Voice 4: things like uh sections of the agenda the agenda sorry so yeah that item is on it is

[1:22:40] Voice 4: part of the report on page 73 okay

[1:22:47] Voice 21: that that answers my second question okay thanks

[1:22:59] Voice 4: yes um i'm going to take off my hat i'll say

[1:23:05] Voice 4: fetus island person and i'm going to put on my fetus island resident rapiers president's hat

[1:23:14] Voice 4: and that uh these

[1:23:19] Voice 17: folks is a service provided by tira on a daily basis

[1:23:26] Voice 17: and that Islands Trust is always welcome to publish on e-folks, we don't need to be in a bylaw, we invite you to do that.

[1:23:38] Voice 4: Today, because it wasn't published on e-folks by Islands Trust, you have a lot of miscommunication in the community.

[1:23:48] Voice 4: I

[1:23:49] Voice 17: would encourage it. It doesn't need to be in the bylaw, but if you could please find a way of putting it in e-scopes when it is published, then there is no lack of communication. It comes from the Highland Trust body. So please, we invite you to do that participation. Thank you.

[1:24:15] Voice 4: it's a very important service i've heard the number or the name of these folks ever since

[1:24:21] Voice 4: i got to this island four years ago it's uh great okay well i think um we will close the public

[1:24:29] Voice 4: participation time you're welcome to stay i'm going to suggest we take a 10 minute break just

[1:24:35] Voice 4: to sort of reset and then we're going to continue with our agenda and you're welcome to stay and

[1:24:40] Voice 4: listen as we deliberate and ask staff questions and make decisions at this table. And again,

[1:24:46] Voice 4: thank you so much for coming today. It really means a lot and we really appreciate your

[1:24:51] Voice 4: input each and every one of you. And no matter what your views, we really appreciate it. And

[1:24:57] Voice 4: it all goes into helping us make hopefully better decisions. So let's take a 10 minute recess and

[1:25:04] Voice 4: And come back at 11.07.

[1:25:08] Voice 4: Thank you

[1:25:11] Voice 6: so much, everyone.

[1:36:37] Voice 7: thank you

[1:36:43] Voice 4: everybody continue on uh it was suggested to me that folks might want to

[1:36:54] Voice 4: get here uh the deliberations on the matter that we've just been talking about so i'm going to

[1:37:00] Voice 4: propose that we move up um which i don't

[1:37:06] Voice 11: well defer that um there's a surprise one

[1:37:09] Voice 4: minutes to celebrate sure section six and seven eight yeah so go right to you know are you okay

[1:37:18] Voice 4: okay so just for a minute taker we're going to jump to section nine applications and referrals

[1:37:27] Voice 4: uh and then get

[1:37:28] Voice 4: to our local trust submitting projects and then the first comment so that

[1:37:32] Voice 4: those of you who want to go enjoy the rest of your day and do so. So we're at 9.1 page 21

[1:37:41] Voice 4: and this is the referral from the CBRT.

[1:37:46] Voice 4: Um, are you, is that this?

[1:37:50] Voice 4: Yeah. For the background, please. Thank you. Okay.

[1:37:56] Voice 6: Okay. So

[1:38:02] Voice 4: 9.1 on the agenda is on, I'll go to the page number in a moment. This is a referral from the Cowichan Valley Regional District on their official community plan bylaw 4705.

[1:38:18] Voice 4: for those following along that's on page 21 of our agenda today um the referral response has been

[1:38:29] Voice 4: has been sent the purpose of the referral is for the local trust committee to contemplate

[1:38:36] Voice 4: any questions concerns as it relates to your local jurisdiction and your local bylaws

[1:38:43] Voice 4: so this is a more of an administrative exercise where staff will look at the referral look at

[1:38:49] Voice 4: it with your bylaws and um and provide a response um based on that because this response was due

[1:38:58] Voice 4: believe the date has already passed um what the response response is attached to the agenda

[1:39:05] Voice 4: on page 24 where interests are unaffected because the proposed changes don't apply

[1:39:12] Voice 4: apply to the Island Trust local Island Trust area as per the local uh sorry for the Island

[1:39:20] Voice 4: Trust back to legislation and I'll pause for any questions from today so just to clarify

[1:39:30] Voice 4: you've already given the referral response that our interests are affected yes this is

[1:39:36] Voice 4: for 4705 official plan okay

[1:39:40] Voice 8: thank you um

[1:39:43] Voice 4: any questions clear or not

[1:39:47] Voice 4: okay so the next one 9.2

[1:39:53] Voice 4: so 9.2 on the agenda um this is on page 25 of the agenda this is a referral from the cowichan valley

[1:40:08] Voice 4: a briefing for the LTC and the purpose is to share this for information to share the draft

[1:40:15] Voice 4: referral response again interests unaffected also noted is should the LTC wish to provide

[1:40:23] Voice 4: additional comments staff advise that you can do so through a resolution and staff will add that

[1:40:30] Voice 4: to the referral response so just a brief summary of this referral from the Cowichan Valley Regional

[1:40:37] Voice 4: It's about a comprehensive zoning by-law project to establish one unified zoning by-law for all of the regional districts' electoral areas,

[1:40:47] Voice 4: consolidating nine existing zoning by-laws into a consistent, modern framework aligned with their Official Community Plan for 2025.

[1:40:57] Voice 4: The proposed comprehensive zoning by-law draft is intended to simplify regulations and improve clarity.

[1:41:05] Voice 4: this information was summarized summarizing it summarizing it through the referral received

[1:41:13] Voice 4: Calisthen Valley Regional District so the briefing provides a bit of an overview there

[1:41:19] Voice 4: for information and a link to the project's website regarding the Thetis Island local

[1:41:24] Voice 4: trust area this is electoral area g the draft file work proposes changes to the electoral area

[1:41:32] Voice 4: Zoning By-law 2524, which is upland zones, will be removed from the text and the map,

[1:41:39] Voice 4: retaining only zones that apply to marine water surfaces. So in context for the local trust area,

[1:41:48] Voice 4: the Islands Trust enabling legislation is the Islands Trust Act. Regional district land use

[1:41:54] Voice 4: by-laws, which are the regional district's OCP and zoning, and regional growth strategies are

[1:42:00] Voice 4: not applicable to local trust areas the enabling legislation that we have through the local

[1:42:05] Voice 4: government act and the analyst trust act give the local trust committee the land use authority

[1:42:11] Voice 4: therefore the proposed new comprehensive zoning bylaw does not apply to the local trust area

[1:42:17] Voice 4: for their official for the regional districts special community

[1:42:20] Voice 4: plan policies and regulations

[1:42:23] Voice 4: the local trust area establishes for the island official community plan policies

[1:42:29] Voice 4: policies and zoning regulations and requirements.

[1:42:32] Voice 4: So the draft referral response, there's generally no concerns regarding that bylaws reflected

[1:42:39] Voice 4: in your policies and your zoning guidelines.

[1:42:43] Voice 8: Should

[1:42:44] Voice 4: the LTC wish to add additional comments, again, just going back to, you can do so through

[1:42:51] Voice 4: a resolution and staff will add that to the response.

[1:42:54] Voice 4: The draft response from staff is on page, pardon me, I'm scrolling, it's on page 38 of the agenda.

[1:43:10] Voice 4: agenda. So may I ask a question? So I want to understand that the upland zoning that

[1:43:22] Voice 4: was included in the current CBRD bylaw 4717 was a duplication, like we have the zoning

[1:43:35] Voice 4: and they also had the zoning and then this is just replacing all of that and just saying

[1:43:42] Voice 4: that cbrd bylaw would just regulate the marine area so the cbrd pardon me as i scroll back

[1:43:51] Voice 4: through the report the couch and valley regional district zoning for electoral area g applied

[1:43:59] Voice 4: what they're proposing in their comprehensive zoning bylaw is to remove upland zones from their

[1:44:08] Voice 4: text and their mapping and retain only zones that apply to the marine area so those are only lands

[1:44:14] Voice 4: within the regional district authority yeah planning authority it does not include the

[1:44:20] Voice 4: deepest area local planning area okay so and so when it says solitaire gulf islands it's

[1:44:28] Voice 4: that is the general that's the electoral area that it captures i'm getting it now

[1:44:34] Voice 4: Do we have any questions?

[1:44:39] Voice 4: Well,

[1:44:40] Voice 11: comment and then a question for staff and I think she said this right here, that

[1:44:48] Voice 11: the Local Government Act and the Autism Trust Act gives the Local Trust Committee the land

[1:44:53] Voice 11: use authority.

[1:44:53] Voice 11: Therefore, the proposed new comprehensive zoning by-law does not apply to the development

[1:44:57] Voice 11: of local trust areas for OCP policies or land use by-law.

[1:45:02] Voice 11: indeed we have that authority it was exempted by the provincial government 50 years ago um and so

[1:45:08] Voice 11: therefore the the zoning that is described in the attached documents does not apply to the asylum

[1:45:18] Voice 11: and it's interesting to note that if you were not in the island's trust and that's certainly

[1:45:24] Voice 11: a question that comes up from time to time this would apply to and but in this particular

[1:45:30] Voice 11: particular situation, you have the ability to create your own official community plan

[1:45:35] Voice 11: and your own zoning bylaws, and that starts with you, and the bylaws are drafted in order

[1:45:41] Voice 11: to support those needs, just as a bit of information.

[1:45:44] Voice 11: However, what concerns me in this particular thing, and Planner Jamarani, or RPM Jamarani,

[1:45:53] Voice 11: who might be able to help me with this, is the Islands Trust broadly has zoning authority

[1:45:59] Voice 11: authority all the way to the high water mark of Vancouver Island. And so when they're talking

[1:46:06] Voice 11: about zoning, and this has been a little fight for years between the Atlas Trust and even

[1:46:13] Voice 11: the CBRD, is that there are areas that we would love to get out of that responsibility,

[1:46:19] Voice 11: but we've been unable to as far as I know. And so the zoning authority of the surface,

[1:46:26] Voice 11: The surface of the water actually belongs to the Islands Trust, not to the CBRD, so they can't place it on everything below the high water mark. Is that not still true?

[1:46:42] Voice 4: So through the chair, I'll have to, that's a very specific question that I

[1:46:48] Voice 4: would have to look back into the legislation of the Islands Trust Act and the area for Thetis Island, where it's specifically described.

[1:46:56] Voice 4: Right. The exercise for the referral response was looking at the areas of the draft zoning

[1:47:04] Voice 4: bylaw proposed by the County of Raleigh Regional District and ensuring that it did not include

[1:47:11] Voice 4: any full-blown custodian jurisdiction.

[1:47:14] Voice 11: Okay. So thank you for that. And I'm not going to press you to follow up, because I don't

[1:47:22] Voice 11: think our interests are directly impacted but the question is does that impact the island's trust

[1:47:30] Voice 11: in any way. Certainly even zoning activities that happen in the CVRD

[1:47:38] Voice 11: has ultimately the effect of impacting the broader community of which people from Thetis

[1:47:44] Voice 11: Island enjoy many of those opportunities that exist in the Cowichan Valley Regional District

[1:47:50] Voice 11: thing and so it's impossible for me to say that our interests are not affected but i think that

[1:47:57] Voice 11: i would want to make some statement um in this response to say that we have concerns about the

[1:48:04] Voice 11: cvrd exerting their authority over the uh marine uh areas but if

[1:48:14] Voice 5: i'm out of line in that i'd also

[1:48:15] Voice 5: Yeah,

[1:48:18] Voice 4: I'm just noting on page 28 where it says marine zoning bylaws, it does say that

[1:48:25] Voice 4: updating marine zoning is not within the scope of phase one and will instead be considered

[1:48:30] Voice 4: part of phase two, modernization of marine zoning is contingent on completion of the

[1:48:36] Voice 4: province of British Columbia's coastal marine strategy and subsequent amendments to the

[1:48:39] Voice 4: official community plan.

[1:48:41] Voice 4: Now, if the official community plan is not held by CVRD, it's held by the trust committee,

[1:48:45] Voice 4: then we still set policies for the marine so as we just you know around david and so on so

[1:48:56] Voice 4: my understanding that this might come forward again and we'd have a conversation about

[1:49:03] Voice 4: who zones or is that still within our stress authority thank you through the chair the

[1:49:12] Voice 4: The Cowichan Valley has some zoning jurisdiction over very specific areas, which is identified in the map.

[1:49:21] Voice 4: The Islands Trust also has specific jurisdiction, the waters or the ability to regulate that.

[1:49:30] Voice 4: So again, when they go into that phase of

[1:49:34] Voice 4: their marine zoning project or their process, we would get another referral.

[1:49:39] Voice 4: yeah and then we can do another review and check again yeah through that

[1:49:46] Voice 4: referral response so

[1:49:48] Voice 6: keep my powder dry yeah

[1:49:50] Voice 4: there is time to look into more

[1:49:53] Voice 4: questions through the LTC there is time to look into some of your specific

[1:49:57] Voice 4: questions the referral responses do back make fit I believe so that can be

[1:50:04] Voice 4: something that could follow up because I do have to check back up through the

[1:50:09] Voice 4: your stuff up to expect that through legislation

[1:50:11] Voice 6: okay thank you yeah water

[1:50:19] Voice 4: zones that was very

[1:50:20] Voice 4: confident i'm sorry but our discussion is here at the table thank you um so i think our interests

[1:50:33] Voice 4: are unaffected perhaps with the note that the ds local trust committee um would expect to be

[1:50:44] Voice 4: engagement prior to any changes to water zones as part of its marine, if marine zoning becomes phase two.

[1:50:57] Voice 4: I mean, it says coordination across multiple jurisdictions as well as consultation with First Nations. It's not going to happen quickly. So does, does Thetis want to just say we'd expect to be...

[1:51:09] Voice 4: Yeah,

[1:51:09] Voice 11: I think that that's a great summary down there is in this motion that I see here that what we would insert would be the design local trust committee expects to be consulted with respect to phase two and marine zoning.

[1:51:27] Voice 4: What do you think?

[1:51:30] Voice 4: Expect to or would expect to? Yes, I

[1:51:36] Voice 11: think expect to actually is okay. I've been surprised.

[1:51:46] Voice 4: Lisa, let's, can you help us turn this into a motion? Or is this? Do you have that?

[1:51:56] Voice 4: Through the chair? The LTC could make a motion to add to this referral response, a comment that the LTC, you can insert your motion, your words, the LTC expects

[1:52:11] Voice 4: or requests to be consulted in the next phase of the marine by-law.

[1:52:18] Voice 4: Any consideration of marine zoning, let's say?

[1:52:21] Voice 4: You could make it more general, because then that also just applies to any amendments to a marine area.

[1:52:28] Voice 11: A request isn't much more.

[1:52:30] Voice 4: Yes.

[1:52:32] Voice 4: And through the chair, the referrals to the regional district zoning by-laws,

[1:52:39] Voice 4: if they're in an area that's adjacent to the local trust area and there is a map showing our region

[1:52:46] Voice 4: the ltc will receive a referral and through that staff will review the areas of jurisdiction again

[1:52:54] Voice 4: to ensure that that's aligned there's no proposed amendments or proposed changes from the regional

[1:53:03] Voice 4: district that are being made on the ltc's area of authority just making sure that respects

[1:53:12] Voice 4: the jurisdictions somebody

[1:53:17] Voice 3: have a motion crafted well

[1:53:21] Voice 4: i'm hearing that the need to sign a local

[1:53:24] Voice 4: trust committee uh responding to the call the couch and valley regional district draft bylaw

[1:53:33] Voice 4: law 4710 comprehensive zoning bylaw referral, that its interests are unaffected, and that

[1:53:43] Voice 4: it expects, requests, we can say meaningful engagement for any amendments or modernization

[1:53:54] Voice 4: of marine zoning or changes to marine zoning?

[1:54:01] Voice 4: Sure.

[1:54:04] Voice 4: Because I think meaningful engagement would say that we'd like to work together on this.

[1:54:09] Voice 4: There is a coordination aspect.

[1:54:10] Voice 4: I don't know if it's just a technical review, but is that your...

[1:54:15] Voice 11: Well, I'm being conscious of culturally stated.

[1:54:22] Voice 11: Yeah.

[1:54:23] Voice 11: We use meaningful engagement generally to consider impersonations.

[1:54:28] Voice 11: um which we historically haven't done a good job at and so i would maybe not want to use

[1:54:35] Voice 11: that word with the regional district because the regional district has a legislative responsibility

[1:54:40] Voice 11: to engage with us meaningfully already yeah

[1:54:45] Voice 4: okay i just

[1:54:47] Voice 6: don't want to

[1:54:48] Voice 4: downplay

[1:54:50] Voice 4: through the chair yes may i suggest a motion wording the ltc requests consultation

[1:55:00] Voice 4: location on proposed changes to marine zone

[1:55:03] Voice 8: yeah if that

[1:55:05] Voice 3: captures what your intent is i can move

[1:55:08] Voice 3: that that

[1:55:09] Voice 4: is fine it's good yeah all right so moved um mr clare uh lisa do you have that

[1:55:17] Voice 4: uh motion chair

[1:55:23] Voice 15: elliott i can read it back if you like yes

[1:55:26] Voice 7: that

[1:55:28] Voice 15: the thetis island local trust

[1:55:30] Voice 15: trust committee request staff add a comment to the referral response to the Couch and Valley

[1:55:36] Voice 15: Regional District regarding draft bylaw 4710 comprehensive zoning bylaw referral

[1:55:44] Voice 15: that the Thetis Island local trust committee request consultation on proposed changes to

[1:55:49] Voice 15: marine zoning okay

[1:55:56] Voice 4: so seconded any discussion on the motion oh and then we must otherwise our

[1:56:02] Voice 4: interest are unaffected i think this will be an addition oh an addition so we're adding a comment

[1:56:08] Voice 4: thank you um all those in favor and that was carried and thank you for that

[1:56:18] Voice 4: cooperative work yeah all right so moving on to local trust committee projects we're at 10.1

[1:56:28] Voice 4: consideration of the minor project the land use bylaw targeted amendments we have a staff report

[1:56:35] Voice 4: report on page 40 and um is probably presenting an update and next thank you chair Elliott yes so

[1:56:48] Voice 4: the Thetis Island local trust committee for this report is asked to consider first and

[1:56:55] Voice 4: second readings and referral of draft bylaw number 192 which is attachment one of the report

[1:57:02] Voice 4: to amend the Thetis Island Land Use By-law 2011.

[1:57:06] Voice 4: Amendments are needed to address three concerns raised in the LTC's minor project for 2025-2026 related to rainwater collection,

[1:57:15] Voice 4: commenced setbacks and hikes, and derelict vehicle regulations.

[1:57:21] Voice 4: So, draft By-law number 119 will amend the Thetis Island Land Use By-law to require a 2,000 imperial gallon cistern for rainwater collection.

[1:57:32] Voice 4: for all new residential dwelling units and guest cottages being constructed.

[1:57:38] Voice 4: It will exempt cisterns used for the collection of rainwater for domestic use or require protection

[1:57:46] Voice 4: from both floor area and lot coverage requirements. It will also require that fences are

[1:57:52] Voice 4: set back at least 7.6 meters from the natural boundary of the city in all zones. It also

[1:58:01] Voice 4: requires that fences not exceed two meters in height if located within two meters of any lot

[1:58:07] Voice 4: line and not exceed 3.5 meters or 11.5 feet in height if located elsewhere on a lot. And finally

[1:58:16] Voice 4: it will also replace the definition of derelict vehicle and propose some new regulations regarding

[1:58:23] Voice 4: abandoned vehicles being in storage. The draft by-law language concerning cisterns for rainwater

[1:58:30] Voice 4: collection and fence setback and height requirements was informed by standard language

[1:58:35] Voice 4: used in other local trust areas and land use bylaws. The proposed language to allow fences

[1:58:42] Voice 4: up to 3.5 meters in height if located more than two meters from any lot line is also something

[1:58:50] Voice 4: language that's used in the Gabriel Island land use bylaw at the present for example and it's

[1:58:57] Voice 4: It's worded that way to basically allow greater flexibility than if all fences were required

[1:59:02] Voice 4: to be two meters anywhere a lot.

[1:59:06] Voice 4: So although the by-law 119 has been almost entirely drafted in accordance with the LTC

[1:59:14] Voice 4: direction and also the endorsed project charter version 2, additional staff review during

[1:59:21] Voice 4: the by-law drafting process raised some of the following new considerations regarding

[1:59:26] Voice 4: specifically derelict vehicles. So the current VDIS land use bylaw, the definition of derelict

[1:59:34] Voice 4: vehicle is a vehicle which would have to be licensed under the Motor Vehicle Act to operate

[1:59:40] Voice 4: on highway and has not been so licensed for a period of five years and is not in a garage,

[1:59:46] Voice 4: carport or other building. So derelict vehicles are sometimes defined in other local trust areas

[1:59:53] Voice 4: areas as well as the Cowichan Valley Regional District as motor vehicles also

[2:00:00] Voice 4: the Motor Vehicle Act that have not been licensed for over one year. So there's a difference

[2:00:04] Voice 4: with the five years versus the one year. However, many other land use bylaws across Islands

[2:00:12] Voice 4: Trust don't actually define derelict vehicle at all. And it was contained very specific

[2:00:17] Voice 4: regulations about vehicle wrecking and storage. So there's different ways to regulate. You

[2:00:25] Voice 4: available. So changing the current definition of derelict vehicle in the land use bylaw

[2:00:32] Voice 4: to allow unlicensed vehicles for up to two years instead of five years, which is what the endorsed

[2:00:38] Voice 4: project charter had suggested and what the LTC had discussed previously, will not actually address

[2:00:45] Voice 4: issues of timely enforcement on unsafe motor vehicle wrecking and storage operations on

[2:00:51] Voice 4: on private property according to conversations

[2:00:54] Voice 4: with bylaw enforcement team.

[2:01:00] Voice 4: So other local trust area land use bylaws,

[2:01:03] Voice 4: we looked at North Pender, South Pender and Main Island

[2:01:07] Voice 4: containing derelict vehicle regulations

[2:01:09] Voice 4: that have been easier to enforce historically

[2:01:12] Voice 4: in the case of bylaw complaints being made

[2:01:15] Voice 4: of unsafe vehicle wrecking and storage operations.

[2:01:18] Voice 4: So instead of defining derelict vehicle as an unenclosed vehicle, which has been unlicensed

[2:01:26] Voice 4: for a very specific period of time, we could instead use your general regulations to prohibit

[2:01:36] Voice 4: more than two unlicensed vehicles on all lots, we could prohibit unenclosed vehicles, as

[2:01:41] Voice 4: well as the wrecking and storage of vehicles, abandoned trailers, and other discarded equipment

[2:01:46] Voice 4: on machinery.

[2:01:47] Voice 4: This is the same wording that has been used and recently adopted as of 2025 in other land use bylaws in the south.

[2:01:58] Voice 4: So those, in order to more clearly regulate vehicle revenue and storage, suggested language has actually been added to draft bylaw number 119 to amend specifically the prohibited uses subsection.

[2:02:12] Voice 4: so this would include prohibiting the storage of more than two unlicensed motor vehicles

[2:02:18] Voice 4: other than farm and forest equipment and vehicles unless the vehicle has stored within a permitted

[2:02:25] Voice 4: building that is completely enclosed it would also prohibit the draft bylaw proposes prohibiting

[2:02:34] Voice 4: the wrecking or storage of derelict vehicles abandoned trailers or other discarded machinery

[2:02:40] Voice 4: machinery or equipment and also finally it would recommend prohibiting the storage of detached or

[2:02:47] Voice 4: salvaged motor vehicle or scraps unless the parts are stored within a primitive building that is

[2:02:53] Voice 4: completely enclosed so it's much more detailed language than what the Marindu's pilot currently

[2:02:58] Voice 4: says it provides clarity and also this pilot 119 has recommended a new definition of derelict

[2:03:05] Voice 4: vehicle entirely which has been included in the draft bylaw

[2:03:10] Voice 16: and

[2:03:11] Voice 4: it would be a direct vehicle

[2:03:13] Voice 4: means any vehicle as defined under the motor vehicle grant that is inoperative and abandoned

[2:03:20] Voice 4: so it doesn't attach the definition to licensing or a number of years that something has been

[2:03:26] Voice 4: unlicensed. So if the LTC wishes to actually amend the draft bylaw to not include those

[2:03:36] Voice 4: proposed derelict vehicle regulations that I've just laid out and instead stay

[2:03:43] Voice 4: on track with what the endorsed project charter has suggested there is a

[2:03:49] Voice 4: proposed motion a draft motion that's definitely still an option you can still

[2:03:53] Voice 4: just change the existing definition of derelict vehicle from to include

[2:03:59] Voice 4: vehicles like unlicensed for a period of two years instead of the current five

[2:04:05] Voice 4: five years. That's completely up to you, if you'd like to decide to proceed. There's a

[2:04:14] Voice 4: little bit more information in the staff report about consultation. So staff had sent early

[2:04:19] Voice 4: notification, not a formal referral, to Laiakson and Peneliket tribe and Laiakson First Nation,

[2:04:28] Voice 4: and that was just to notify that this project is underway, and also that if a bylaw receives

[2:04:35] Voice 4: first reading, second reading, the formal referral.

[2:04:39] Voice 4: And their lands consultant,

[2:04:42] Voice 4: Penelope Tribe's lands consultant actually responded

[2:04:46] Voice 4: with a list of recommendations for future engagement,

[2:04:49] Voice 4: which was shared with the LTC last week.

[2:04:52] Voice 4: Specifically, those recommendations are to develop

[2:04:55] Voice 4: a culturally appropriate engagement plan

[2:04:57] Voice 4: that includes traditional protocols, language,

[2:05:00] Voice 4: and participation methods.

[2:05:01] Voice 4: Also to establish a formal advisory committee with panellistic representatives to guide

[2:05:07] Voice 4: the project from inception through implementation, incorporate Indigenous knowledge and cultural

[2:05:14] Voice 4: heritage assessments into the minor project scope.

[2:05:19] Voice 4: Also they recommend to ensure that all project documents explicitly recognize the tribe's

[2:05:25] Voice 4: rights, title and interests.

[2:05:27] Voice 4: they recommend maintaining transparent ongoing communication and providing regular updates to

[2:05:35] Voice 4: the Penelope tribe and other indigenous bodies and they also recommend allocating resources

[2:05:40] Voice 4: for cultural competency training for all staff involved in the project so yeah the response was

[2:05:47] Voice 4: quite detailed notes that a truly in order to foster a truly collaborative relationship with

[2:05:54] Voice 4: panel at the tribe during this project the process should deepen its cultural engagement formalize

[2:06:00] Voice 4: participation mechanisms that explicitly recognize indigenous rights and knowledge

[2:06:06] Voice 4: so that's that's a thing for the ltc to consider as well um so then that that's newer information

[2:06:12] Voice 4: that came after this staff report was published though wasn't included in the report necessarily

[2:06:18] Voice 4: um the ltc further with further consultation of the community consultation

[2:06:24] Voice 4: The LTC may request that staff refer draft by-law number 119 to the Fetus Island Advisory

[2:06:31] Voice 4: Planning Commission in alignment with the project charter, and then staff will request

[2:06:37] Voice 4: that the ABC provide its comments and recommendations in June 20 in advance of the July meeting.

[2:06:43] Voice 4: meeting. Also, if the LTC decides to give a first and second reading to draft bylaws

[2:06:52] Voice 4: today, we, staff, recommend also requesting information from the LTC on when they'd like

[2:07:00] Voice 4: to hold a community information meeting in the public hearing. The public hearing wouldn't

[2:07:06] Voice 4: be able to be held until at least the August 25th meeting I believe, August 24th or 25th

[2:07:14] Voice 8: to

[2:07:15] Voice 4: allow for that referral period to finish before public hearing and then the community

[2:07:22] Voice 4: information meeting can be held you know just before the public hearing or it can be

[2:07:28] Voice 4: be held at a different in-person meeting you know before but like we're recommending keeping

[2:07:34] Voice 4: the community information meeting and the public hearing at the same in-person meeting. Just

[2:07:40] Voice 4: that would be one way to share information on the same day. Staff have identified a number of First

[2:07:50] Voice 4: Nations for a 90-day bylaw referral and then a number of agencies and organizations for 60-day

[2:07:56] Voice 4: bylaw referrals. So if you have the LTC has any other agencies that they'd like to add to this

[2:08:01] Voice 4: list by staff. Finally, staff recommended the LTC provide direction to staff on draft

[2:08:10] Voice 4: by-law number 119 to give the by-law person second readings, direct staff to send out

[2:08:16] Voice 4: referrals and schedule a CIM public hearing to later open the staff report. And the recommendations

[2:08:23] Voice 4: are supported because the draft by-law would address issues raised by the LTC in the endorsed

[2:08:29] Voice 4: North Project Charter. The draft by-law is consistent with the Island Stress Policy Statement

[2:08:35] Voice 4: and the US Island Official Community Plan.

[2:08:41] Voice 4: Thank you for that report. There's a lot there, a lot to consider. Trustee, they'll turn you

[2:08:49] Voice 4: to us for questions, comments, and actual thoughts.

[2:08:52] Voice 4: I have a couple of questions.

[2:08:54] Voice 9: On page 41, it says that it was moved and seconded on

[2:09:01] Voice 9: on the pectoral meeting and it just says carried whereas in the minutes it says that trustee

[2:09:09] Hunter was opposed to not say that there

[2:09:12] Voice 8: but looks like person reading this for the first

[2:09:18] time might think that I voted for it which of

[2:09:21] Voice 9: course everybody in the room knows I'm

[2:09:23] Voice 9: not going to vote for her anyway another thing is what's the rationale for staying 7.6 meters

[2:09:31] Voice 9: a window in the ocean with a fence? Someone else?

[2:09:43] Voice 4: So it's kind of a good question because I also have a question of what problem are we trying

[2:09:49] Voice 4: to solve? Is there a particular issue with fences that led to this? Because it's been a long time

[2:09:58] Voice 4: time since we've discussed this but generally fences are considered structures is that right

[2:10:05] Voice 4: and so a

[2:10:06] Voice 4: structure shouldn't be set back to the sea sorry so through the chair the yes fences are

[2:10:14] Voice 4: are not actually considered structures they're considered separately but they're right they're

[2:10:19] Voice 4: regulated separately okay they can be so what is the why would why would we not allow

[2:10:30] Voice 9: Well, I just want to know what the rationale is for all the waterfront waters on Vetus Island.

[2:10:35] If you take 25 feet away, all the way around the island, that's like about how many acres is that land that we're paying taxes on that we can't use?

[2:10:46] Voice 9: What if I want to have a dog? See, I've got a small lot, a small waterfrontage, and I have a house, and I have a front yard, and I want to have a dog, and I want to keep them in my yard.

[2:10:57] I can't

[2:10:58] Voice 9: have a front yard because I can't have a fence going down to the ocean.

[2:11:01] Voice 9: It's silly.

[2:11:02] Voice 4: Well, the foreshore is considered public property.

[2:11:06] Voice 4: It's not actually our home.

[2:11:08] Voice 9: That's right, but it's at the high tide mark.

[2:11:11] That's where the public property ends and the private property begins,

[2:11:15] Voice 9: at the natural boundary of the sea.

[2:11:19] Voice 8: So

[2:11:20] Voice 9: I don't get why they're trying to regulate private property

[2:11:25] for the people that are paying the bulk of the taxes

[2:11:30] Voice 9: but anyway

[2:11:31] Voice 4: that's my point it is up to the lgc to decide yeah absolutely

[2:11:37] Voice 4: this was on the future project list for the ltc um and it was so highlighted as an issue you know

[2:11:47] Voice 4: fences in in the shoreline setback area um are a concern that you know bring up the same concerns

[2:11:54] Voice 4: as any other structures located in a shoreline setback area um it's you know all across most

[2:12:03] Voice 4: zones and most areas uh structures can't be located within six meters of the natural boundary

[2:12:13] Voice 4: of the ocean that's by default a rear property line setback that applies to

[2:12:21] Voice 4: most properties, rear property lines are the natural boundary. So there are already regulations

[2:12:27] Voice 4: on structures and setbacks for 3DIS. This is just bringing fence roots into that,

[2:12:34] Voice 4: protecting that shoreline buffer area when you build your development.

[2:12:38] Voice 4: What's the setback to property lines for, not a fence, but a structure in the land-based

[2:12:45] Voice 4: by law. It depends on the zone and the size of the zone. I think it really ranges. In some larger

[2:12:55] Voice 4: properties it's eight meters. I think it's often eight meters. I think there's two considerations.

[2:13:04] Voice 4: We've heard feedback from First Nations very consistently that the shoreline area is

[2:13:10] Voice 4: is likely to contain, you know, the most heritage material is important. And there's also the

[2:13:19] Voice 4: visual aspect. If the shoreline is a public space, you don't want to have the that's right

[2:13:28] Voice 4: there on the edge. And so bringing it back, but point taken about the actual property

[2:13:37] Voice 4: the property line is the high water park. So I do think this LTC needs to consider whether

[2:13:42] Voice 4: this is a useful amendment to the land use bylaw or it's just going to cause more problems

[2:13:49] Voice 4: then it's fine to solve.

[2:13:56] Voice 11: Well there's three different, at least three different items to discuss here under this

[2:14:02] Voice 11: this amendment project, fences, this has taken on a completely different level of interest

[2:14:14] Voice 11: than I had anticipated. And, you know, there's a little bit of an unintended consequences

[2:14:20] Voice 11: thing here. And I'm not totally sure how to address it. I have some questions, but I think

[2:14:30] Voice 11: think, somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, I think there's only one fence on the shoreline

[2:14:37] Voice 11: on the entire island. And that happens to be at the cemetery. And the reason the fence

[2:14:44] Voice 11: is there is to stop people deteriorating the high bank and falling into the ocean. Otherwise,

[2:14:53] Voice 11: I don't, you know, unless I'm mistaken, I don't think there are any other fences anywhere

[2:14:57] Voice 11: around the island there might be um and so honestly that's a good thing but this offense

[2:15:06] Voice 11: of the cemetery within the setback um however i think historically i said this to somebody earlier

[2:15:14] Voice 11: is that we wouldn't have put the cemetery that close to the shoreline today as we did 150 years

[2:15:21] Voice 11: ago

[2:15:22] Voice 8: because

[2:15:23] Voice 11: of the bank erosion that we are now fully aware of so clearly an exemption in the

[2:15:29] Voice 11: case of the cemetery may be a necessity out of the ongoing use. And of course, I'm not sure about

[2:15:40] Voice 11: the legal non-conforming aspects of fences compared to structures. So there's a little

[2:15:46] Voice 11: bit of a question there. But this all came from a complaint. Somebody was building a 16-foot-high

[2:15:57] Voice 11: fence,

[2:15:58] Voice 9: which

[2:16:00] Voice 11: seemed a bit egregious to somebody. And certainly, it got me asking about that.

[2:16:06] Voice 11: And the question is, don't you have fence bylaws? They have fence bylaws everywhere

[2:16:13] Voice 11: else on the planet. And so it just begs the question, what does a fence bylaw look like?

[2:16:23] Voice 11: Well, here we are, interesting, a few years later now, unattended consequences.

[2:16:28] Voice 11: I don't think it was necessarily thought that anybody would build a fence along the shoreline,

[2:16:35] Voice 11: but they might.

[2:16:39] Voice 11: The intention was to actually have a regulation about fences along the adjacent property lines,

[2:16:47] Voice 11: which is not terribly unreasonable.

[2:16:49] Voice 11: reasonable, if it was four foot or six foot or eight foot, you know, have added.

[2:16:58] Voice 11: So I'm stuck in a situation about, okay, the fuss is about building a fence in the setback.

[2:17:07] Voice 11: And then I totally respect, actually, Leslie Hunter, your point of view on this, and to

[2:17:14] Voice 11: some extent understand that.

[2:17:15] Voice 11: However, nobody's built a fence along the shoreline to keep their animals in or not.

[2:17:23] Voice 11: Others have built fence lines along the edges in order to manage that animal control issue,

[2:17:31] Voice 11: because it is a problem for some people. But is there a problem with

[2:17:40] Voice 11: with not citing the setback from the sea as a property line that would not be a regulated fence.

[2:17:55] Voice 11: But, you know, the unintended consequences might be somebody would build a 16-foot fence along the front of their property.

[2:18:02] Voice 11: Well, I don't know. Not likely, but you have to think about that, right?

[2:18:06] Voice 11: It would be hard to have a view of the city.

[2:18:09] Voice 11: well maybe you've got a three-story house and you watch it from the back

[2:18:14] Voice 11: no i'm just trying to think about more unintended consequences so i would like to leave out a

[2:18:21] Voice 11: reference to the fence along the high water or seven and a half feet back whatever it is

[2:18:28] Voice 11: what are the implications of that because i think i want to be really thoughtful

[2:18:33] Voice 11: what are the implications you know the interesting thing is let's go back in time a little bit

[2:18:37] Voice 11: I love reading about time travel and every once in a while you get to do it.

[2:18:41] Voice 11: So when Sue French and I did the OCP years ago, the question came up, what about fences?

[2:18:47] Voice 11: You guys should have a fence bylaw.

[2:18:49] Voice 11: And you know, we heard from the community, yeah, we don't want one, so we didn't have

[2:18:53] Voice 11: one.

[2:18:53] Voice 11: And then all these years later, now we have a complaint.

[2:18:56] Voice 11: And now we're looking at amending the bylaw.

[2:18:58] Voice 11: So it really does beg the question, do we need a fence bylaw?

[2:19:03] Voice 11: Maybe not.

[2:19:05] Voice 11: Because, of course, some people think some of the other people's fences that they have

[2:19:09] Voice 11: around the island that are along the roadways and the sideways are ugly.

[2:19:13] Voice 8: Well,

[2:19:13] Voice 11: I don't know that we have an ugly factor built into the bylaw, but because we don't

[2:19:18] Voice 11: do that either, including siding and colors of your paint choices.

[2:19:24] Voice 11: So I'm looking for a solution.

[2:19:27] Voice 11: I might be inclined just to say, nix it, but the focus seems to be about the high water

[2:19:36] Voice 11: mark, when it's about a fence thing.

[2:19:38] Voice 11: Can we leave out the high water mark and still keep the fence bylaw?

[2:19:41] Voice 11: Would that make people happy?

[2:19:42] Voice 11: Not that my goal is to make people happy, but would there be a reasonable accommodation

[2:19:47] Voice 11: to address the issues if it arise?

[2:19:50] Voice 11: And I'm going to try to kind of follow this with my phone.

[2:19:53] Voice 11: That's the fence.

[2:19:54] Voice 11: so just read

[2:19:55] Voice 9: what says in the language by law right now under 2.2.4 fences freestanding lighting

[2:20:03] Voice 9: poles warning devices antennas mass utility poles wires flagpole signs and signs drum ears

[2:20:11] Voice 9: may be cited on any portion of your log written there now yeah but including

[2:20:20] Voice 11: a 16 foot high

[2:20:24] Voice 11: I don't know. Is there any answers? No, I've got a

[2:20:28] Voice 4: lot of questions there, but yeah, go

[2:20:32] Voice 4: ahead. If you've got any

[2:20:34] Voice 5: answers about leaving that back.

[2:20:37] Voice 4: So through the chair, this poses a good question for the LTC to consider. Do you want to change

[2:20:45] Voice 4: your existing regulation about fences to further specify where you want your fences

[2:20:52] Voice 4: if not you may leave it as is and direct staff to take that away from the proposed bylaw

[2:21:04] Voice 4: and if you do want to further regulate the setback of where the fence should go on your

[2:21:10] Voice 4: particular property is 7.6 meters the number or if it's a different so do you want to change the

[2:21:20] Voice 4: existing regulation based on your your conversation so what you're what you're factoring in in the

[2:21:26] Voice 4: information in the staff report or do you want to regulate it and have a different proposed number

[2:21:31] Voice 4: other than 7.6

[2:21:33] Voice 11: so i guess what i was leading up to and i didn't say is can we be just silent

[2:21:38] Voice 11: on that aspect and what jeopardy and maybe ken thank you you read that paragraph maybe just

[2:21:46] Voice 11: needs to send say in that list of things that you can do and fences that are not more than eight

[2:21:53] Voice 11: feet tall and just have that is there a place there to land yeah

[2:21:59] Voice 4: that's definitely an option

[2:22:03] Voice 4: You know, the current bylaw is quite silent, like a fence can be anywhere on a lot.

[2:22:10] Voice 4: There's no setback requirements, nothing.

[2:22:13] Voice 4: And so yeah, that regulation can just, you can decide to not regulate setback and only

[2:22:21] Voice 4: regulate height.

[2:22:22] Voice 4: It's completely up to you.

[2:22:25] Voice 4: And there are other land use bylaws that do that, they regulate height, they do not regulate

[2:22:31] Voice 4: regulate fence sets. You know, some OUVs regulate both and others really depends.

[2:22:41] Voice 4: So

[2:22:42] Voice 11: then I would like to suggest that we land on only

[2:22:47] Voice 4: fence height and not post height.

[2:22:50] Voice 4: What about the point that two meters is not an adequate height to deter deer?

[2:22:55] Voice 4: I think somebody made the point that the height...

[2:23:00] Voice 11: Yes, that was Carol's one.

[2:23:04] Voice 11: Well, I don't know what the type of fence is for a deer, but it was 8 feet.

[2:23:10] Voice 11: Well, then do the math conversion and say 8 feet can make it 2.1 meters, whatever.

[2:23:18] Voice 5: That's the necessity. And no razor wire.

[2:23:27] Voice 4: The challenge is we're not, if we're not regulating for problems that the land use

[2:23:32] Voice 4: bylaw is revealing right now, like you said, there's a complaint, so there's an issue,

[2:23:36] Voice 4: so let's look into it. What's the appropriate regulation? But if we're doing this project,

[2:23:42] Voice 4: you want to look into the future. What is the responsible regulation, if any? If you

[2:23:49] Voice 4: you have people moving to the island who have different norms and values like the fact that

[2:23:55] Voice 4: you can't regulate a giant lighting pole or an antenna it kind of that would freak me out a little

[2:24:03] Voice 4: bit because it's not to me that doesn't seem rural but i'm coming from a different context

[2:24:07] Voice 4: so what is appropriate for feeders not just now but into the future um are is regulating

[2:24:14] Voice 4: I think that is important.

[2:24:17] Voice 4: If it's not resolving a problem, is it

[2:24:22] Voice 4: meant to deter an unwelcome activity in the future?

[2:24:27] Voice 4: And keep in mind, we cannot just point at everybody else

[2:24:29] Voice 4: and say, well, enforce on that, but not on me, right?

[2:24:35] Voice 11: Well, that's a great point, the place that I just

[2:24:37] Voice 11: splashed on, is that it's different in R1 or R2.

[2:24:42] Voice 11: and i think that really the fence issue is more r1 issue small lot size than it is in r2

[2:24:48] Voice 11: and so um sorry for adding more of the conversation but i would say that that fence

[2:24:55] Voice 11: regulation would if there's such a thing that we want to do that it does belong in the r1 where the

[2:25:02] Voice 11: lots of less than two acres typically um just a lot of land by the way

[2:25:10] Voice 11: And that it only say that they should be more than eight feet tall or high enough to restrict

[2:25:17] Voice 11: the local indigenous.

[2:25:22] Voice 12: Otherwise,

[2:25:24] Voice 11: you know, I'm just content to walk away from it.

[2:25:26] Voice 11: Because honestly, my phone isn't ringing about, it's offensive.

[2:25:31] Voice 11: But you know, the fair, the right thing to do, and I always try to think about that,

[2:25:37] Voice 11: The right thing to do is amend it to what we think is acceptable, and then indeed take

[2:25:42] Voice 11: it to a proper community information meeting, public hearing, where we get to hear loud

[2:25:46] Voice 11: and clear from those people that have something to say, to say, yeah, that's a great regulation.

[2:25:51] Voice 11: Eight foot fence is a good idea.

[2:25:53] Voice 11: And we're glad that you took it back to Mississippi State.

[2:25:57] Voice 5: And

[2:25:57] Voice 11: then we can engage, rather than just making isolated decisions at this table or at the

[2:26:03] Voice 11: the plan. Otherwise, so, you know, I would say, I've heard from as many people about

[2:26:13] Voice 11: not wanting.

[2:26:15] Voice 7: I was great. If mostly people concerned about I would say that it's balanced.

[2:26:25] Voice 11: Those that want to have fence height regulations, wherever they happen to be, and those that

[2:26:30] Voice 11: don't want height regulations. And

[2:26:34] Voice 11: then Ken brings up a big point, you know, animal control

[2:26:37] all

[2:26:37] Voice 11: is a good thing. If you weren't allowed to put up a fence, I'll be

[2:26:39] Voice 11: there.

[2:26:40] Voice 4: Yes, can trustee Hunter, what do you sort of hear it from the community

[2:26:46] Voice 4: aside from your own perspective, which I hear and respect? Are you hearing

[2:26:53] Voice 4: more concerns over a defense set back to see or people just don't want any

[2:26:59] Voice 4: kind of regulation on my

[2:27:01] Voice 9: honest reply? Of course.

[2:27:04] Voice 9: People do not like

[2:27:07] Voice 9: bylaw 119 any part of it people that are phoning me they don't want to revisit derelict vehicles

[2:27:16] because we already have a bylaw for that they don't want to spend 10 or 15

[2:27:22] Voice 9: or 20 thousand

[2:27:22] Voice 9: dollars building a 2 000 gallon rain water collection before they site their house like

[2:27:29] Voice 9: what kind of a roof are you going to have how are you going to feed the thing where is it going to

[2:27:33] Voice 9: sit on the property is going to look ugly blah blah blah why are you forcing it down the throat

[2:27:39] Voice 9: when they're just trying to you know property is not cheap and developing property isn't cheap so

[2:27:47] we talk glibly about affordable housing well that's not affordable housing i get the fact

[2:27:53] that you want to protect fire and you want to have water for a garden and it's okay but i just

[2:27:59] don't people don't want it people that are talking

[2:28:02] Voice 9: to me you don't want any

[2:28:03] Voice 9: part of this bylaw therefore I'm not gonna look for it if I don't see the

[2:28:09] Voice 9: point we can it's it's yeah the derelict vehicle is covered I don't see a bunch

[2:28:17] Voice 9: of people putting high fences up being annoying but in fact an unintended

[2:28:24] Voice 9: unintended consequence of saying stay back from the sea people are gonna put

[2:28:29] Voice 9: fences up on their property land at the ocean oh gee whiz look at all those fences before the

[2:28:35] Voice 9: biology comes in here you know

[2:28:37] Voice 4: oh you're saying in anticipation yes oh okay yeah no that's very

[2:28:41] Voice 4: interesting so it really does happen we

[2:28:44] Voice 3: could be famous we could all of a sudden

[2:28:52] Voice 4: okay thank you for that thank you um

[2:28:54] Voice 4: could i have the reference for the um

[2:28:58] Voice 4: Derelict vehicles. What is it under?

[2:29:04] Voice 4: Parking subdivisions, stable zones.

[2:29:09] Voice 4: In the current bylaw? Yeah. Uses, I guess.

[2:29:12] Voice 4: It's under prohibited general regs. It's under uses of and buildings and structures. One of the prohibited uses under 2.1.3.C.

[2:29:26] Voice 4: C is the use of land for the wrecking and storage of derelict vehicles and then there's

[2:29:34] Voice 4: a definition of derelict vehicles related to a vehicle that has not been licensed for

[2:29:40] Voice 4: at least five years and it's not enclosed in a carport garage or other building okay

[2:29:47] Voice 4: so is there I don't see anything that even though it so I don't know if we want to move

[2:29:54] Voice 4: on from Fences. Sorry, I'll pause here to... I

[2:29:58] Voice 11: want to move on from Fences.

[2:30:00] Voice 11: In

[2:30:00] Voice 8: fact, I'm just going to say boldly,

[2:30:02] Voice 8: I

[2:30:03] Voice 11: could drop that, and if somebody wants to raise it again, we could redo it.

[2:30:07] Voice 4: Okay. One for dropping it. Okay. You're counting.

[2:30:12] Voice 4: And

[2:30:12] Voice 6: I have some comments about DERI.

[2:30:14] Voice 4: Okay. I have

[2:30:16] Voice 4: comments about First Nations engagement, so pick your topics.

[2:30:19] Voice 7: There's

[2:30:20] Voice 4: four things I know.

[2:30:22] Voice 4: Okay. I want to flip it over to Chelsea. I'm DERI here.

[2:30:25] Voice 4: You just posted an

[2:30:27] Voice 3: idea of it.

[2:30:29] Voice 4: what are

[2:30:29] Voice 3: we talking about now well

[2:30:30] Voice 4: we're going to go on to uh derelict vehicles in the current

[2:30:33] Voice 4: whether the proposed new language is um solves it let's let's put in the context of what problem are

[2:30:42] Voice 4: we trying to solve i mean there has been a problem of storage of derelict vehicles um sure well i

[2:30:50] Voice 9: mean there was one case obviously that's been figured out now and um i don't really see a lot

[2:30:58] of them on my travels around the island uh has there been complaints is this complaint driven

[2:31:05] or is this just we're trying to be like our neighbor islands and to have something

[2:31:10] fresh and new like

[2:31:11] Voice 9: where is this coming from no

[2:31:15] Voice 17: i can see you look up if anything

[2:31:24] Voice 6: i'm just going to sue a

[2:31:25] Voice 11: moment if anything it's coming from me

[2:31:36] Voice 11: That people was waiting six months ago.

[2:31:40] Voice 11: No, honestly, more to the point.

[2:31:44] Voice 8: I

[2:31:45] Voice 11: don't want to put this community through,

[2:31:49] Voice 11: I don't know, how long was it?

[2:31:50] Voice 11: Four or five years of

[2:31:53] Voice 11: violent enforcement associated with

[2:31:54] Voice 11: the lot that we all know about,

[2:31:57] Voice 11: because of complications associated with the violence.

[2:32:02] Voice 11: Who remembers the fire that happened on that?

[2:32:07] Voice 11: days or weeks could have made a difference to the assignment.

[2:32:11] Voice 11: I don't want to be getting phone calls and emails and everything else for, let's just say it's only three years,

[2:32:20] Voice 11: but I think it was closer to five years that this community was on edge about those derelict vehicles.

[2:32:25] Voice 11: I don't want to see that happen. And I do think that there needs to be some amendment.

[2:32:36] Voice 11: It doesn't need to be, I think, as detailed as this.

[2:32:45] Voice 11: so i'll just blur it out um i think that the first clause see the storage of more than two

[2:32:59] Voice 11: unlicensed motor vehicles other than farm and forest equipment and vehicles unless the vehicles

[2:33:05] Voice 11: are stored says within a permitted building that is completely floating i would change the last

[2:33:13] Voice 11: last part, I would stick with that. I would get rid of the other two. It's too complicated

[2:33:17] Voice 11: and it's too regulatory. But I would change the last part of that sentence that says,

[2:33:25] Voice 11: unless the vehicles are stored within a structure. And that would address, and Warren, you tell

[2:33:36] Voice 11: me if you're wrong, but I seem to recall you telling me that it might not be that bylaw

[2:33:41] Voice 11: law enforcement can do what they want and they did and you know i just want to be incredibly

[2:33:46] Voice 11: thankful to warren his team for pushing that through the courts through that entire law process

[2:33:52] Voice 11: but i know one of the conversations with the courts if i'm not mistaken was how do you know

[2:33:57] Voice 11: they're abandoned vehicles well because guess what when that a vehicle gets abandoned and

[2:34:04] Voice 11: immediately this is getting a long wind in i'm sorry for that when that a vehicle gets abandoned

[2:34:08] Voice 11: abandoned at somebody's property that person doesn't own it necessarily because it was never

[2:34:15] Voice 11: sold might have been for a dollar or a case of either who knows but the vehicle registration

[2:34:19] Voice 11: was never transferred so that vehicle belonged to that other person the entire time and the courts

[2:34:26] Voice 11: do not want us going in and towing away people's vehicles that they left with that individual to

[2:34:32] Voice 11: to repair it for them all by five years ago.

[2:34:38] Voice 11: So I think it warrants a certain level of objectivity

[2:34:43] Voice 11: to determine what's the best way to prevent that scenario

[2:34:47] Voice 11: from unfolding on the island.

[2:34:49] Voice 11: And if I look around the Gulf Islands, including Thetis,

[2:34:53] Voice 11: there are lots of abandoned and derelict vehicles,

[2:34:56] Voice 11: and I'm not pointing fingers at anything,

[2:34:57] Voice 8: but

[2:34:58] Voice 11: I'll just say that on Munch,

[2:35:01] Voice 11: that they they did four three or four barge loads of vehicles that they took off because they just

[2:35:07] Voice 11: accumulate and guess what stuff accumulates at my house too um and so um i just want to have

[2:35:16] Voice 11: a mechanism to not have to go through that again because honestly it was painful for me i know it

[2:35:22] Voice 11: was painful for many especially with that when the fire came and so i would not drop this completely

[2:35:29] Voice 11: I would suggest that that first bullet, item C, be retained and change the last portion of that to say in a structure.

[2:35:42] Voice 11: Because it's interesting, Margot, you said carport in your sort of casual description there.

[2:35:52] Voice 11: It's not written in the Bible, but we had a lengthy conversation about carports on tender one year.

[2:35:58] Voice 11: Is that an overhang? Is it completely enclosed?

[2:36:01] Voice 11: does it have a storage above how big is it how far away is it all that kind of stuff so um i would

[2:36:09] Voice 11: just say stored in a structure and i think that would facilitate the opportunity to have a casual

[2:36:19] Voice 11: conversation with the neighbor or by law enforcement and say no i've only got two vehicles

[2:36:23] Voice 11: here one and they're they're in that storage area so yes

[2:36:29] Voice 4: lots of questions commentary um do we have

[2:36:32] Voice 4: a question for staff before we

[2:36:34] Voice 10: turn oh well i'm assuming uh amending that uh that vehicle clause

[2:36:42] Voice 10: just adopting that section c that says two

[2:36:47] Voice 9: vehicles in a structure i have a question about

[2:36:50] Voice 9: the wording yeah to see yeah

[2:36:54] Voice 4: okay go ahead well i

[2:36:56] Voice 4: would like to stop the chance to answer before we

[2:36:59] Voice 9: we

[2:36:59] Voice 4: keep running on questions but yeah let's keep super clear on the question but yes you could

[2:37:04] Voice 4: definitely have just see and then that i think the next question i would have is is what you'd

[2:37:12] Voice 4: like a new definition of derelict vehicle to be i don't

[2:37:16] Voice 3: think i want to

[2:37:16] Voice 11: do that no definition at all

[2:37:18] Voice 11: or well nothing more than maybe yeah yeah i think that's what got us into trouble what's a derelict

[2:37:23] Voice 4: vehicle that's the definition in your land use bylaw derelict vehicle means a vehicle which

[2:37:27] Voice 4: and would have been licensed under the Motor Vehicle Act

[2:37:29] Voice 4: to operate on a highway and has not been so licensed

[2:37:31] Voice 4: for a period of five years and is not in a garage, carport,

[2:37:34] Voice 4: or other building.

[2:37:35] Voice 4: That's your existing land use bylaw.

[2:37:37] Voice 4: My question is...

[2:37:39] Voice 4: I thought we were just replacing.

[2:37:41] Voice 4: Well, yes, there's a more broader definition

[2:37:45] Voice 4: as in it's inoperable, is what staff is suggesting.

[2:37:50] Voice 4: My question is, under the current land use bylaw,

[2:37:53] Voice 4: all those vehicles that were stored

[2:37:55] Voice 4: or in contravention of the land use bylaw?

[2:38:00] Voice 11: No.

[2:38:01] Voice 4: Yes, it was.

[2:38:02] Voice 4: No, he wasn't allowed to run a wrecking business.

[2:38:05] Voice 4: Land may not be used for its...

[2:38:08] Voice 4: I'm just saying, like, what would the improved...

[2:38:12] Voice 4: And I'm sorry, I'm coming back to you.

[2:38:15] Voice 4: Maybe you'll get warned.

[2:38:16] Voice 4: But the use of land for the wrecking or storage of derelict vehicles,

[2:38:20] Voice 4: that's in your land use bylaw.

[2:38:22] Voice 4: The following uses are prohibited in all zones.

[2:38:25] Voice 4: the use of land for the wrecking or storage of derelict vehicles so that was in like that was in

[2:38:33] Voice 4: oh

[2:38:34] Voice 11: i i okay so

[2:38:35] Voice 4: i understand what is the improved language the improved language would not

[2:38:40] Voice 4: retroactively have fixed that situation because it already is in contravention of your current

[2:38:45] Voice 4: land use by law

[2:38:46] Voice 11: and so maybe we could ask warren i think that that language in our bylaw was not

[2:38:51] Voice 11: helpful in the in file enforcement and if i'm not mistaken that it was the activity of running a

[2:38:57] Voice 11: business as a auto record that was the reason we were able to advance that um yeah let's see

[2:39:06] Voice 6: so chair

[2:39:11] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: the um with the property that we did the cleanup on um yes primarily where the enforcement

[2:39:20] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: Enforcement was on use of the property for running non-permitted businesses

[2:39:25] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: or just not doing the wrecking yard.

[2:39:31] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: But a lot of the vehicles on the property,

[2:39:34] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: we would not have been able to consider them derelict

[2:39:36] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: because we would not have been able to prove that they had been unlicensed for five years.

[2:39:41] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: So the current definition in the bylaw is a problem.

[2:39:45] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: It was actually a hindrance to enforcement.

[2:39:47] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: And that's why I recommended to planning staff that you take out that any time limit on it.

[2:39:58] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: It's just much easier to enforce if you say, okay, you can't use property to store derelict vehicles, period of minute.

[2:40:04] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: And there's a difference between the derelict, even if you don't provide a definition in your land use bylaw, there's a difference between an unlicensed vehicle that is just doesn't have insurance or tags.

[2:40:15] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: it's still operable between the derelict vehicle which is usually abandoned and inoperable

[2:40:22] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: in other words you can't go put a new battery in it and gasoline and it runs

[2:40:28] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: if you

[2:40:30] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: can't do those things it's derelict if you're leaving it out on your property exposed

[2:40:35] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: to the elements and it's being the manner of storage is actually destroying that piece of

[2:40:42] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: a property that's derelict that's why many of the islands have a regulation to say okay you can have

[2:40:49] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: two unlicensed vehicles on your property basically visible if you want others if you want a car

[2:40:55] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: collection you put them in a building

[2:40:57] Voice 5: and

[2:40:58] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: that's why the wording is suggested so if you're not the

[2:41:02] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: manner of storage is not proper as you're putting your car collection whatever the state may be in

[2:41:08] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: in a building than is prohibited so that the property isn't full of all of

[2:41:13] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: these disassembled abandoned parts of vehicles and the vehicles themselves

[2:41:21] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: that are simply just rusting away and everything is being disposed of in the,

[2:41:26] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: to the natural environment,

[2:41:27] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: any oils left in the engine gasoline and the gas tanks,

[2:41:32] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: it just deteriorates and it flows onto the ground and then possibly into

[2:41:36] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: to aquifers, which is always a major concern when people see a large number of vehicles being

[2:41:41] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: stored on a property. What's happening to the hydrocarbons? Are the hydrocarbons seeping into

[2:41:46] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: my aquifer and are they going to jeopardize my well? So in the end, you can, yes, you can look

[2:41:54] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: at strictly the use. No, you can't use a residential property as a wrecking yard or that type of

[2:41:59] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: business, but you can also put these limits on the storage of different vehicles on a property.

[2:42:05] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: uh some is just so it doesn't become unsightly that's a reasonable district issue but you can

[2:42:12] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: minimize the unsightly nature of a property if you require people to store their property within

[2:42:17] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: buildings and if they're not going to store it in buildings then they're limited to two

[2:42:23] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: to two unlicensed vehicles so that was my suggestion to planning staff regarding those

[2:42:29] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: regulations from the southern islands which uh for the most part are very easy to enforce

[2:42:35] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: force over to you chair thank

[2:42:38] Voice 4: you manager damon for that clarification because i think that was

[2:42:42] Voice 4: that's the crux of my issue is like what we were trying to solve that problem that property but

[2:42:49] Voice 4: you have an existing uh prohibition for for that thing for their vehicles and i didn't remember

[2:42:57] Voice 4: that um there was a challenge to enforcing and getting rid of some of those vehicles so

[2:43:06] Voice 4: either of you changed your minds or would it be sitting with um this issue of derelict vehicles

[2:43:12] Voice 4: is it worth changing the language so

[2:43:18] Voice 9: you're saying you can have two unlicensed vehicles

[2:43:20] Voice 9: sitting in your yard that this is saying yeah

[2:43:23] Voice 6: well

[2:43:25] Voice 9: take it to the public what you want okay

[2:43:31] Voice 4: so you if i'm understanding you'd be in support of that regulation uh going forward for public

[2:43:37] Voice 4: a comment. What about the definition of abandoned and inoperable, which makes it a broader definition

[2:43:49] Voice 4: of derelict vehicles? What

[2:43:52] Voice 4: do you think about that? I

[2:43:56] Voice 11: guess I'm less inclined to involve

[2:44:00] Voice 11: involve more definitive language that any good lawyer can challenge and say what you didn't say

[2:44:09] Voice 11: flat tied or something and so a brief so i'd like an abbreviated version that is two vehicles

[2:44:18] Voice 11: uninsured um storage structure oh on top of whatever sorry yeah

[2:44:28] Voice 3: so yeah

[2:44:30] Voice 4: through the chair

[2:44:30] Voice 4: just to clarify um like currently in north pendered where this these three like cde proposed

[2:44:40] Voice 4: oh yeah you know they kind of go together right it covers all your bases um and you don't

[2:44:48] Voice 4: necessarily need to define derelict vehicle uh as well in the viola so you could have cde

[2:44:55] Voice 4: and no definition of derelict vehicle um you know north pender i believe has has very similar

[2:45:02] Voice 4: language they don't define specifically this this definition the new proposed definition

[2:45:09] Voice 4: of derelict vehicle that's more broad and just inoperative abandoned it's just for extra extra

[2:45:16] extra

[2:45:16] Voice 4: extra clarity in the bylaw it's not like other other bylaws don't that have cd and e

[2:45:25] Voice 8: that

[2:45:25] Voice 4: have those regulations those provisions um you don't need to be as specific with the

[2:45:31] Voice 4: definition of derelict vehicle it's an it's understood um you know there i would i would

[2:45:38] Voice 4: suggest if you you

[2:45:40] Voice 3: know just you let go you're thinking of just see as well as the existing

[2:45:47] Voice 3: coalition on wrecking and storage that's leaving

[2:45:51] Voice 11: D&E yeah yeah

[2:45:53] Voice 11: so I would say in hearing what

[2:45:58] Voice 11: you're saying I think I would just go with C and I'll just the reason for that is is because the

[2:46:05] Voice 11: complexity about the things that are left out of D&E and some of you might recall the aeroplane

[2:46:11] Voice 11: no helicopter it was, the helicopter that was removed from main island and then boats and

[2:46:22] Voice 11: you know whatever else might come along that would be problematic and admittedly that remains

[2:46:29] Voice 11: unaddressed but I think I would just make it because the other thing is I'm not that fond of

[2:46:37] Voice 11: regulation either so if we can regulate sharply all the better and i would just go and see and

[2:46:45] Voice 11: and just change that last piece so that it doesn't require you to have you to have a

[2:46:49] Voice 11: fifty thousand dollar building that you put your thousand dollar wrecked car in

[2:46:55] Voice 6: okay

[2:46:59] Voice 4: are you suggesting going with c and removing the current um prohibition on the use of land for the

[2:47:08] Voice 4: wrecking or storage of derelict vehicles so right

[2:47:11] Voice 4: now in your in your bylaw under section 2.1.3 you

[2:47:16] Voice 4: see the current bylaws you've you've prohibited wrecking and storage of derelict vehicles are

[2:47:23] Voice 4: you suggesting replacing replacing that prohibition with this new c which is just about unlicensed

[2:47:33] Voice 4: to vehicles which means that you don't have much then you you still need a prohibition on wrecking

[2:47:39] Voice 4: and storage and vehicles don't you well

[2:47:41] Voice 11: i'd ask warren about that because that sounds like a big

[2:47:43] Voice 11: package as opposed to you know supposed to lovingly carry it for an old vehicle to build a

[2:47:53] Voice 11: new one you

[2:47:54] Voice 4: know oh just heard the chair um the current the use of the land is within your ability

[2:48:02] Voice 4: limit to regulate. So under the current general regulations, it's saying the following uses are

[2:48:09] Voice 4: prohibited, are not allowed in any zone. The use of land for the wrecking or storage of derelict

[2:48:15] Voice 4: vehicles. So you can continue to prohibit the storage of derelict vehicles and wreckage of

[2:48:23] Voice 4: derelict vehicles. Still continue to do that.

[2:48:26] Voice 11: Sure. You know, if it was easier and advisable

[2:48:29] Voice 11: to keep that except i think we know that the dilemma is is that when you use a word like

[2:48:35] Voice 11: derelict you want to have it um

[2:48:38] Voice 4: but that's what they're saying is change the definition of

[2:48:41] Voice 4: derelict because your current definition is five years

[2:48:44] Voice 11: is that this bottom one cancer

[2:48:47] Voice 4: um that's their current land use right but what warren is saying is the definition of derelict

[2:48:53] Voice 4: was a problem because your definition has this period of five years okay and it's about this

[2:48:59] Voice 11: new definition that's here i like it because it doesn't say about five years that's covered

[2:49:03] Voice 4: any vehicle is defined so changing the definition would coordinate any vehicle as defined under the

[2:49:10] Voice 4: motor vehicle act which would not apply to boats but rvs that is inoperative and abandoned so i

[2:49:18] Voice 4: would say that's a very

[2:49:19] Voice 5: broader definition so we

[2:49:22] Voice 4: have one in support of a amending the definition

[2:49:25] Voice 4: mention um and adding c the storage of more than two unlicensed vehicles you how are you

[2:49:34] Voice 4: where's the sitting with you trustee hunter i'll be honest i don't see any when i look at the

[2:49:44] Voice 4: larger context and the amount of work that is going to be especially as penelope first nation

[2:49:50] Voice 4: or Penelope Tribe has asked for a suite of ways

[2:49:56] Voice 4: that they want to be engaged with on this project.

[2:49:58] Voice 4: I am wondering what the whole point is.

[2:50:03] Voice 4: Is it really going to solve any problems?

[2:50:05] Voice 4: Is it really worth the trouble to do these small tweaks?

[2:50:12] Voice 4: And I'm kind of not thinking it's going to solve problems

[2:50:17] Voice 4: that are in existence right now.

[2:50:19] Voice 4: i'm looking to the future i would personally rather see if this is going to undertake a project

[2:50:27] Voice 4: to amend anything it maybe it can be something bigger that's more in line of what do we

[2:50:39] Voice 4: recognize the interests of uh of uh the travel acts and first nations

[2:50:58] Voice 11: And that's completely fair. However, we are at this moment in this time with these thoughts on the table, and this document in draft, and I think it would be good to clarify the intent of the local trust committee in preparation for going into those conversations.

[2:51:18] Voice 4: clarify the intent of local trust committee and as we go on it um your hand is up hello

[2:51:27] Voice 2: yes i just wanted to speak to the engagement that you brought up um

[2:51:30] Voice 2: through the chair i just wonder if it would be appropriate to acknowledge that the

[2:51:34] Voice 2: island stress has received the letter from um from penelaket and uh to direct staff to maybe

[2:51:41] Voice 2: meet with and engage with uh penelaket to get clarity and understand in regards to what they're

[2:51:46] Voice 2: looking for and what some of the expectations are and then and then eventually uh report back um to

[2:51:52] Voice 2: the ltc thank

[2:51:55] Voice 4: you joe that was the direction that i was actually thinking because there's a lot to

[2:52:00] Voice 4: unpack in that up there and to understand um through the chair i understand there's still

[2:52:06] Voice 4: some working through of the actual proposed regulations for the zoning yeah um so perhaps

[2:52:12] Voice 4: we can talk more about that decide if we want to proceed with any changes here and then um maybe

[2:52:19] Voice 4: then turn my ear mind to the recent letter received and um how what the otc would like to

[2:52:29] Voice 4: consider as part of that in the project well just trying to i'm suggesting that to try and keep it

[2:52:38] Voice 4: I understand. I'll leave my arguments to the last. I think they are one and the same, because if you're going to engage on the project, it should be of substance enough to merit, especially as they're asking for a culturally appropriate engagement plan, which will take, if the LTC chooses to go that direction, quite a time to design and to work together.

[2:53:05] Voice 4: other we're going to be way past where this term is ending to even start you know drafting by lots

[2:53:14] Voice 4: so my point is do you turn at this juncture to say well how are we going about this project

[2:53:21] Voice 4: and does this project have enough merit to justify a larger engagement process which i think is

[2:53:32] Voice 4: is great that they've asked for and they want to be engaged i think this is a wonderful opportunity

[2:53:37] Voice 4: to start that conversation and i would love to ask staff to engage with canal gift tribe to

[2:53:43] Voice 4: understand more without what a culturally appropriate engagement would look like

[2:53:48] Voice 4: i'm just not hearing that this proposed draft bylaw is has enough substance to really

[2:53:57] Voice 4: but that's just my views and i'm open to having my mind changed at any point

[2:54:07] Voice 4: the derelict best vehicles yes we could still change the definition to outside and everything

[2:54:15] Voice 4: else under underneath the roof we haven't touched on rainwater attachment your views are

[2:54:23] Voice 4: um i understand your views i think trustee hunter

[2:54:34] Voice 11: So, you know, the rainwater, so I'll move on to the rainwater catchment.

[2:54:41] Voice 11: I have a 6,000 gallon water tank

[2:54:44] Voice 6: on my body. The tanks are ugly.

[2:54:48] Voice 11: They don't appear to degrade to the ground

[2:54:50] Voice 6: actually, but I

[2:54:52] Voice 9: might be wrong about that.

[2:54:53] Voice 9: But people use them to store water and I wouldn't expect

[2:54:57] Voice 9: it to be a blockage

[2:54:58] Voice 6: that would do that.

[2:55:01] Voice 6: Um,

[2:55:03] Voice 11: and a couple of things. When we are, when or if we ever go out for referral on this related to the water tank thing, an opinion from a firefighter, that's anonymous, by the way, a firefighter doesn't constitute an opinion of the improvement district or the fire department.

[2:55:32] Voice 11: So the fire department is on the list of referrals. I would like to ask the improvement district to be added to the list of referrals because they have the authority to make decisions about fire protection.

[2:55:42] Voice 11: The fire department is the department that acts for it. So let's just fix that.

[2:55:51] Voice 11: and indeed the fire I'm past chief we do not count on local storage of water other than ones

[2:56:01] Voice 11: that the fire department has installed at great expense as viable water sources although push

[2:56:08] Voice 11: comes to shove when all the houses on the street are burning down the fire department knows that

[2:56:13] Voice 11: Peter Luckham has 6,000 gallons of water that's on this property that is accessible usually they're

[2:56:18] Voice 11: full because that's the interesting thing about rainwater tanks is it rains and they fill up

[2:56:22] Voice 11: and guess what after you fill them up they stay full anyway that's another point let's fight

[2:56:28] Voice 11: um so and i think that outside of any of that it's about personal protection i honestly don't think

[2:56:38] Voice 11: and i have six guys food tanks for each of the buildings that is on my property like that in

[2:56:43] Voice 11: my house and my work truck. And so those 2,000 gallons each is going to be pouring all over the

[2:56:49] Voice 11: roof of my house for as long as the water lasts in those tanks. So it might be long enough to

[2:56:55] Voice 11: protect my house in the time that the wildfire spreads through the neighborhood. That's the

[2:57:00] Voice 11: theory. It's demonstrated in lots of communities where you see that totally burned out. The house

[2:57:06] Voice 11: that's in the middle that is unburned is the one that had a swimming pool that they pumped water

[2:57:12] Voice 11: protected. That's proven. And so, sure, those are your choices. You know, I am swayed, so

[2:57:20] Voice 11: I just wanted to say all that stuff because I think it's important, and government does

[2:57:24] Voice 11: have a responsibility to help people make good decisions. And we're only talking about,

[2:57:32] Voice 11: let's say, 50 new homes that might be built on Teutons Island that are going to be forced

[2:57:36] Voice 11: to put 2,000 gallons of water, which is all in all is probably $3,000.

[2:57:44] Voice 11: I think houses are being built on the island that are a lot more than that.

[2:57:49] Voice 11: And I see a nod in Canada.

[2:57:51] Voice 11: I bought a tank, 2,000 gallons recently, and they're not incredibly expensive.

[2:57:56] Voice 11: Anyway, compared to the rest of the infrastructure costs.

[2:57:59] Voice 11: But that's fine.

[2:58:01] Voice 11: All of that said, if people don't want water tanks

[2:58:05] Voice 11: and they want to make their own choices I'm happy to drop this too because it's certainly it's not

[2:58:13] Voice 11: you know it's not worth dying for sort of thing and people will continue to make those choices

[2:58:21] Voice 11: and I just want to clarify today you talked about the CBRD water analysis thing that's drinking

[2:58:27] Voice 11: water primarily and water well water we're talking about rainwater catchment they include

[2:58:37] Voice 11: Yeah, but not for fire protection uses. It's a different category, but that's fine. So I would just say, sure, if people don't want rainwater tanks, I've got mine. I'm happy, and I would encourage each and every one of you to consider what rainwater storage is. But if you don't

[2:58:57] Voice 6: want to regulate it,

[2:58:58] Voice 6: I can do it.

[2:58:59] Voice 11: It's not going to make a big difference at the end of the day. So

[2:59:03] Voice 16: there we go.

[2:59:08] Voice 16: Well,

[2:59:12] Voice 4: it doesn't sound like extra regulations at this point are desired, again, unless it's

[2:59:18] Voice 4: solving a particular problem.

[2:59:19] Voice 4: I do think having access to water is important, but how people choose to do that, I think

[2:59:30] Voice 4: I'm hearing my fetus is sort of self-managing, and maybe we need more information from the

[2:59:36] Voice 4: CVRD's water protection project, which is following along with the regional district

[2:59:45] Voice 4: and I started over 12 years ago. But it is it's a tricky area because we, I don't stress

[2:59:55] Voice 4: regulates what happens in the zone, but not the building permit. So you can

[3:00:00] Voice 4: saying is you can require a rainwater harvesting system but not require that it's attached and not

[3:00:08] Voice 4: require that it's used for household use right so that's water quality which is out of health

[3:00:12] Voice 4: and then building permit which is your cbrd so it's again it's one of these questions of

[3:00:19] Voice 4: is this really important enough to the community that we change the land use bylaw

[3:00:23] Voice 4: to require it um if you're thinking it's not and i know trustee hunter does not um

[3:00:32] Voice 4: i'm happy to let it be as well i don't think it's something that um i think the larger question is

[3:00:40] Voice 4: actually could we respond to the delicate tribe about what does um you know what does meaningful

[3:00:48] Voice 4: full engagement look like to them? And can we work towards a different process for engagement

[3:00:59] Voice 4: on any future project? I think that's what they're asking for. It's not about this project,

[3:01:03] Voice 4: it's future engagement, which you don't want to do a CP update or you want to do shoreline

[3:01:10] Voice 4: protection. What does that look like? And I'm very interested in that because I think establishing

[3:01:16] Voice 4: clarity about how our governments and governments as a nation works together.

[3:01:22] Voice 4: It supports landowners, it supports a nation to be heard, it supports our

[3:01:28] Voice 4: government to do our job well. And I think what I'm hearing from many of my

[3:01:33] Voice 4: community members is they want clarity. There's a lot of ambiguity, we're not sure

[3:01:38] Voice 4: So I think taking this up to ask them, as Joe, as Senior Indigenous Advisor Joe Elliott said, would be a really good step.

[3:01:54] Voice 11: So I'm glad to be speaking to this issue because you know that this is important and how we can solve it at First Nations.

[3:02:04] Voice 7: this is good

[3:02:07] Voice 11: news because it's a proactive outreach based upon a referral which maybe

[3:02:13] Voice 11: was not received well and maybe we should have considered how it was sent out better

[3:02:18] Voice 11: but they do save future engagement um just

[3:02:24] Voice 4: to clarify it was not a referral it was just

[3:02:27] Voice 4: notification oh it was early notifications

[3:02:28] Voice 11: yeah that's part

[3:02:30] Voice 4: of your project charter too that's

[3:02:31] Voice 11: I understand. So that's great. And so, you know, we've had the Shoreline Development

[3:02:41] Voice 11: Permit project on our list for a long time. And we have made a lot of effort to engage.

[3:02:53] Voice 11: And I think we can do and should do more in order to build on that. You know, we have,

[3:03:03] Voice 11: had, as you know, a vigorous debate at council about funding additional resources specifically

[3:03:09] Voice 11: for doing First Nations engagement. And we were successful in doing that. And we have been

[3:03:17] Voice 11: successful in engaging Joe Elliott. And Joe, thank you for joining us today at UCM. Glad to

[3:03:24] Voice 11: have you here and your voice. And I was hoping that you might be able to advise us on, I was

[3:03:34] Voice 11: going to say small steps but bigger steps to reaching out not with any goal I was going to

[3:03:46] Voice 11: say goal but not with any goal or intent or purpose but reaching out for that human contact

[3:03:55] Voice 11: to learn and understand so that we can do a better job in representing the interests of

[3:04:04] Voice 11: our community over here and um so absolutely i think that uh thank you joe again for

[3:04:13] Voice 11: respond to that letter we need to respond to that letter and um and we need to

[3:04:21] Voice 11: bring an opportunity for a conversation to look at a path moving forward um and reflecting on

[3:04:30] Voice 11: the history of the past and the people whose home this is and we live here. But at the same time,

[3:04:44] Voice 11: it's not unreasonable to capture our thinking and put it on paper outside of

[3:04:52] Voice 11: that exchange or consultation or in what the conversations that we need to have.

[3:04:58] Voice 11: and then once we when we've got our notes we can come to those meetings and those conversations

[3:05:04] Voice 11: better prepared and i think that that's important too is to respect the time and space afforded to

[3:05:12] Voice 11: us to have this kind of conversation that's it thank

[3:05:17] Voice 3: you yes uh

[3:05:20] Voice 9: i'm not really sure what we're

[3:05:21] Voice 9: trying to prove here are you saying that we're not going to make any more decisions unless

[3:05:28] Voice 9: less we consult other agencies and are influenced by that. I'm missing something. Is that a

[3:05:39] Voice 9: question to me? Just generally. I

[3:05:41] Voice 4: think for a government to operate effectively, it needs

[3:05:47] Voice 4: to understand the interests of everyone who is affected by a proposed change. So that

[3:06:00] Voice 4: you're tuned to we understand your community's interest they can come talk to you anytime

[3:06:04] Voice 4: um we understand the mandate of the trust our mental requirements what i think we don't

[3:06:11] Voice 4: understand is the interest of what we're trying to learn is the interest of first nations so it's

[3:06:19] Voice 4: not that decision making should be paused it's that in order to make good decisions you need to

[3:06:24] Voice 5: had

[3:06:24] Voice 4: that bring that information together and they've given us information about future engagements

[3:06:31] Voice 4: this is what we'd like to see and i think it would be great to follow up and go well how does that

[3:06:37] Voice 4: work and how does that work with our process and find a way to co-develop a

[3:06:46] Voice 4: a um a way that an aliquot tribe specifically can participate so it's not after the fact or

[3:06:56] Voice 4: just a referral but how do we incorporate understand their interest with future decision

[3:07:02] Voice 4: making it's kind of part of the map that we need to learn what's that mean

[3:07:14] Voice 6: yeah

[3:07:17] Voice 4: um well i saw you pop on screen and then off again um do you have any guidance um

[3:07:26] Voice 4: or advice for us on this matter you've given us a suggestion struggling a little bit of how to

[3:07:38] Voice 4: i

[3:07:39] Voice 2: i yeah i think it's just a a process and really to acknowledge the interest of the the

[3:07:45] Voice 2: the penelicate uh tribes in regards to their interest in regards to um the bylaws um and even

[3:07:53] Voice 2: even if it doesn't go forward i think it's really important to to reach out to understand to

[3:07:57] Voice 2: penelicate in regards to um what their interests are in in regards to i think that the letter

[3:08:01] Voice 2: stated that you know their cultural and spiritual interest to to the to the area um so we have a

[3:08:07] Voice 2: good understanding a better understanding in regards to what penelope is looking at um

[3:08:11] Voice 2: And I think that will help us in regard, and it's also, you know, we have a process to engage with nations, but I think, you know, meeting with them will set parameters what Penelope expects in regards to referrals or early referral or engagement and how that's going to occur with the nation.

[3:08:31] Voice 2: um there's and and then we can we can maybe maybe it's moving in in forward in regards to

[3:08:38] Voice 2: i don't know leadership to leadership meetings or staff to um penelaket meetings and in in advance

[3:08:46] Voice 2: and and build that relationship will definitely support any um applications that are going through

[3:08:53] Voice 2: with uh with the islands interest night i think it's uh i think we have a key opportunity here to

[3:08:59] Voice 2: to build that relationship with Peneliket tribes?

[3:09:06] Voice 4: That's a good question.

[3:09:07] Voice 4: Thank you for that, Joe.

[3:09:10] Voice 4: So for instance, just to clarify and come back

[3:09:13] Voice 4: to what would it be for,

[3:09:17] Voice 4: they've listed to incorporate Indigenous knowledge

[3:09:19] Voice 4: and cultural heritage assessments into the project scope.

[3:09:23] Voice 4: So this is a specific request about this early notification

[3:09:28] Voice 4: clarification about a project that would we for instance ask you know what kind of projects

[3:09:35] Voice 4: would you want to see a cultural heritage assessment undertaken or there are there

[3:09:44] Voice 4: some projects that that's not necessary let's say or is there you want to comment on marine areas

[3:09:51] Voice 4: and not terrestrial, let's just not putting,

[3:09:55] Voice 4: to get clarification on how to incorporate their interests

[3:10:01] Voice 4: and their knowledge into future projects.

[3:10:03] Voice 4: Is it kind of getting more specific so we're not maybe sending them

[3:10:08] Voice 4: referrals for things that do not, that they may not want to comment on

[3:10:15] Voice 4: because they've already said, no, that's not of interest to us,

[3:10:20] Voice 4: but this type of thing is.

[3:10:23] Voice 2: Yeah, I think the meeting could lead to, you know, questions regarding exactly that.

[3:10:28] Voice 2: When would you like to be referred?

[3:10:30] Voice 2: What are the trigger points where you'd like to receive a referral?

[3:10:35] Voice 4: Yeah.

[3:10:37] Voice 4: Yeah.

[3:10:37] Voice 4: Okay.

[3:10:38] Voice 4: See, to my view, it's like we're all learning how to undertake government together.

[3:10:44] Voice 4: Island's just does not have the full picture.

[3:10:47] Voice 4: We need to understand from the nation's perspective, what do they want to collaborate on?

[3:10:52] Voice 4: what's the what is transparent ongoing communication look like how many updates how many

[3:10:58] Voice 4: um so i would love to follow up on this i personally think the minor project is

[3:11:07] Voice 4: maybe not worth focusing on but i'm not i don't want to make that call you're the local trust

[3:11:13] Voice 4: leader and we know your your community best i'm hearing only one item in that which is to change

[3:11:23] Voice 4: with the definition of derelict vehicles yeah

[3:11:27] Voice 11: um lots of things and definitions that could change

[3:11:36] Voice 11: and i laugh because we've embarked on this policy statement journey for

[3:11:43] Voice 11: 12 years you told us today we're not going to make it this term i knew that

[3:11:55] Voice 11: and the policy statement two years ago was pretty bold pretty strong i was happy with it

[3:12:05] Voice 11: i can advance it

[3:12:06] Voice 8: it's

[3:12:07] Voice 11: been watered down and yeah we're going to do another round of referrals i

[3:12:15] Voice 11: don't know how well that how well that is going to be received and it concerns me because we have

[3:12:20] Voice 11: have watered down the elements directly of concern to First Nations people. I'm not sure

[3:12:32] Voice 11: how we're going to recover from that. But anyway, so, you know, I've sat on quite a

[3:12:42] Voice 11: few LTCs here and on many other islands, and we've had this conversation for some time.

[3:12:49] Voice 11: And this is actually leading up to a question, Joe. It's always been about capacity.

[3:12:56] Voice 11: And it's always been about funding and how do we commit more of our resources at the

[3:13:01] Voice 11: Islands Trust to this, to actually do meaningful work, not just talk to doing meaningful work.

[3:13:09] Voice 11: And I know, you know, we had, I mentioned earlier, we had this big debate over continuing

[3:13:14] Voice 11: to resource that work at the Islands Trust and we were successful in doing it.

[3:13:19] Voice 11: We're not voices at the table to facilitate that, but at the end of the day, it does still

[3:13:24] Voice 11: still come down to the capacity to undertake this work and who is responsible for that

[3:13:32] Voice 11: work our elected terms are short staff direction is sometimes limited but I guess it just comes

[3:13:47] Voice 11: down to how do we walk the talk this topic and that's not meant as a criticism from anybody

[3:13:54] Voice 11: I'm looking at this data, because you guys do a fabulous job, and in many situations

[3:13:59] Voice 11: I can remark that you take on your much larger share of that work than maybe some trustees

[3:14:08] Voice 11: do, myself included, but I think there's no greater piece of work to do in this place

[3:14:17] Voice 11: that we live in, that we call home, that has been the home of Indigenous people since time

[3:14:23] Voice 11: And you can debate that as much as you want, I'm satisfied to accept that as fact and conscious

[3:14:30] Voice 11: of it.

[3:14:31] Voice 11: So Joe, we just adopted a budget, there'll be a hiring process here, we've created some

[3:14:39] Voice 11: fundings for capacity funding within nations, all of that in context to assist us on this

[3:14:51] Voice 11: journey. What would you recommend this LTC do? You've said, write Penelope a letter. Okay,

[3:15:01] Voice 11: let's do that. Do we want to extend an invitation? Do we want to start? What are the first

[3:15:07] Voice 11: steps in that in order to get that engagement to work at a more substantive level, which I think

[3:15:15] Voice 11: means regularly meeting and just having conversations with agendas and conversations

[3:15:20] Voice 11: without agenda. That's his

[3:15:23] Voice 7: question, David. It's a joke.

[3:15:32] Voice 4: Well, I see RBM Jamrat, but I'll

[3:15:35] Voice 4: joke, of course. Yeah. I

[3:15:39] Voice 2: guess through the chair, I don't know if I have the clear answer in regards

[3:15:42] Voice 2: to the capacity funding. But what I do and what I can share is that we are looking at capacity

[3:15:47] Voice 2: policy that's moving forward. And so there's some great work in looking at how we can support

[3:15:54] Voice 2: support nations to be part of this parameter as we engage with the with the nations um and so we're

[3:16:00] Voice 2: looking at those levels and and I I believe those are you know we'll have something pretty concrete

[3:16:05] Voice 2: hopefully uh really soon um and uh and be able to support Nations like Connecticut who are requested

[3:16:14] Voice 2: to have early engagement and look at the look at that structure and how we we engage with the First

[3:16:20] Voice 2: nations um and so i i can say that you know hopefully we'll have something to uh the trust

[3:16:27] Voice 2: council really soon thank you through

[3:16:34] Voice 4: the chair um in terms of this part of the conversation

[3:16:40] Voice 4: what more can the ltc take action on for uh and i i might be paraphrasing or maybe

[3:16:50] Voice 4: be missing the event here it sounds like what more can the ltc drive forward is it to trust council

[3:16:57] Voice 4: and i would suggest to follow joe's comment perhaps there's these specific pieces of comment

[3:17:08] Voice 4: from the letter from penelope um it indicates some bigger actions that um i suggest be raised

[3:17:18] Voice 4: through the work that trust area services is doing so that it doesn't get lost um and that

[3:17:25] Voice 4: could be i'm suggesting through the chair and that could be perhaps a resolution um to share with

[3:17:32] Voice 4: with trust area services for the for the documents that are currently being worked on

[3:17:38] Voice 4: um so that these these don't get lost in in a conversation about a specific project

[3:17:49] Voice 4: Yeah, it's, that's kind of what I'm hearing too. I was, I was gonna, so is the language

[3:17:56] Voice 4: something like asking staff to respond to the letter of the Olympic tribe and by staff

[3:18:02] Voice 4: that would be trust area services. As you know, those, the recommendations are very

[3:18:07] Voice 4: broad. They are not just about this project, not just about this local trust committee,

[3:18:12] Voice 4: But to clarify or to understand their recommendations for future engagement, specifically towards guiding future projects with LTCs, and that could be plural, and how or which projects or in what ways our projects can incorporate Indigenous knowledge.

[3:18:45] Voice 4: because i think this letter kind of turns the whole thing on its i'm looking at it from the

[3:18:52] Voice 4: other telescope now it's is this worth first nations time to comment on and especially if

[3:19:00] Voice 4: we don't have a good process if they specifically ask for a specific process and we don't do that

[3:19:07] Voice 4: that's very disrespectful to them just do our usual so is this worth the time of engagement

[3:19:13] Voice 4: Or can we turn this into, how do we learn how to do this better for future projects,

[3:19:21] Voice 4: which will give everybody more information, whatever comes up for DEDIS or NELTC?

[3:19:31] Voice 11: That's a great question, except, no, this is a great question, however, there's 13 local

[3:19:40] Voice 11: trust committees that have the same or similar concerns, and we as a whole need to go to

[3:19:50] Voice 11: to that place

[3:19:51] Voice 4: but that's why trust area services yeah i agree that because they're engaging i agree

[3:19:57] Voice 4: on behalf of donald's trust not just the local trust right it's the planning it's the

[3:20:03] Voice 6: starting shift according yeah

[3:20:05] Voice 4: i agree so if we were to drop this land use bylaw project

[3:20:13] Voice 11: i'm not saying that it's the same conversation actually but yeah well

[3:20:17] Voice 4: i'm just i'm because it's

[3:20:20] Voice 11: not worth their time.

[3:20:21] Voice 4: I'm conjecturing that it will take more time to develop a process that is

[3:20:26] Voice 4: more in line with what Penelope tribe would like. That becomes the focus, because only then can you

[3:20:33] Voice 4: engage on something of substance, whatever that something is.

[3:20:38] Voice 11: So let's cross the T's and check

[3:20:43] Voice 11: the I's and finish the document and put it on the shelf until we're ready to live with it. I'm fine

[3:20:58] Voice 11: the essence of the reason that these bylaw amendments exist out of respect for the time

[3:21:05] Voice 11: and energy staff and put it in the public has suffered through the conversations we

[3:21:12] Voice 11: need to go this is what we think and pass it on so do you think

[3:21:19] Voice 4: you could articulate

[3:21:20] Voice 4: the reasons and I'd like to take a break from lunch because I think we're

[3:21:25] Voice 6: getting

[3:21:26] Voice 4: too far into

[3:21:27] Voice 4: this has been a long conversation number three good

[3:21:30] Voice 7: number three

[3:21:32] Voice 9: information for now and we can

[3:21:35] Voice 9: be brought up at another meeting or what what are we going to do I

[3:21:40] Voice 4: think we'd want to give

[3:21:41] Voice 4: direction to sorry um I'm thinking to give direction that the project is you know these

[3:21:51] Voice 4: These parts are valuable discussions you can have on this, but it's not to be followed at this time.

[3:21:57] Voice 11: So can I interrupt? Yeah. So

[3:22:00] Voice 11: I'll follow up on this.

[3:22:01] Voice 11: Yeah. What's important today with this group of people that are here waiting that don't necessarily want to hear this conversation?

[3:22:09] Voice 11: And so therefore, I would suggest that maybe we could defer all these items until our next meeting.

[3:22:14] Voice 11: However, I do want to have this report and care much about the 116 or 119 or whatever it is.

[3:22:26] Voice 11: No, yeah, there's all these things.

[3:22:28] Voice 11: But the Hollywood Farm situation is the topic of discussion on the agenda here today.

[3:22:33] Voice 11: Lot 6089 or 69, whatever that number is.

[3:22:38] Voice 11: I think we have to have that conversation today out of respect for people that have attended.

[3:22:41] Voice 11: And then if we didn't do any more business today, if it was time, we'd let time slip away from us.

[3:22:50] Voice 11: I'd be happy with that too.

[3:22:52] Voice 11: I

[3:22:53] Voice 4: don't think we can wait to respond to, I want to ask staff to give direction on the panellic.

[3:22:59] Voice 4: Oh, well, we could answer that.

[3:23:01] Voice 4: I want to do that part, but I agree we should move on.

[3:23:05] Voice 4: And should

[3:23:06] Voice 4: we table the minor project for now, no action at this time?

[3:23:11] Voice 4: yes uh through the chair my advice would be to pass a motion pass a resolution to

[3:23:20] Voice 4: not proceed with the project um because more work required with the ltc's discussion and direction

[3:23:32] Voice 4: to change bylaws and it sounds like we're not even maybe at the point to refer to agencies

[3:23:38] Voice 4: That will then, in terms of the timeline, move this project to further out into the

[3:23:46] Voice 4: next, towards the end of fiscal year.

[3:23:48] Voice 4: So with that in mind, does the LTC want to continue?

[3:23:54] Voice 4: What the direction would be to staff to work on in the meantime?

[3:23:58] Voice 4: time. And then coming back, we'll project out this timeline

[3:24:04] Voice 4: to beyond the end of year one term. And I only mentioned that

[3:24:09] Voice 4: if that is something the LTC would like to pass on to the new

[3:24:15] Voice 4: LTC in December, January. My suggestion through the chair is

[3:24:23] Voice 4: to pass a resolution, move it

[3:24:26] Voice 4: back to the future project list

[3:24:28] Voice 4: so that the incoming LTC can contemplate that.

[3:24:33] Voice 4: There sounds like there's more discussion of what makes sense for revised regulations,

[3:24:40] Voice 4: and perhaps there's a different way to approach that.

[3:24:43] Voice 4: Maybe there's some engagement on the front end, some ideas from.

[3:24:48] Voice 4: Or the LTC might decide you do not want to pursue these changes at all for these reasons,

[3:24:53] Voice 4: and you can pass a motion, and that sort of gives that point-in-time decision

[3:24:58] Voice 4: and it doesn't proceed any further. So a motion is what I'm suggesting and the understanding of

[3:25:08] Voice 4: what that would mean for your project work.

[3:25:12] Voice 10: Okay, two

[3:25:13] Voice 5: items, read the letter, put it on the

[3:25:20] Voice 6: question.

[3:25:22] Voice 4: Okay, so I have a motion about the letter writing which I'll send to Lisa

[3:25:27] Voice 4: uh you to check and then if you want to work with them yeah okay and just

[3:25:34] Voice 11: to set expectations i

[3:25:35] Voice 11: think we need to address 13.1 which is uh 69 for three points yeah we need to do 13.5 because they

[3:25:42] Voice 11: want to know whether or not we're getting healthy and finally and the rest of it in the closed

[3:25:47] Voice 11: meeting you know we need to make sure yeah

[3:25:51] Voice 4: through the chair just to uh maybe to wrap up this

[3:25:56] Voice 4: particular item on the agenda. Perhaps a motion to ask TAS, so the LTC has talked

[3:26:01] Voice 4: about that. A motion to ask TAS to respond to the letter. I suggest it could be

[3:26:09] Voice 4: something you direct staff to look at for a standing resolution. Pull these items

[3:26:14] Voice 4: into a standing resolution for future projects. If that's something you'd like

[3:26:18] Voice 4: us to look at, we could do that and report out. And to

[3:26:24] Voice 4: ask, you may even consider

[3:26:25] Voice 4: are asking TAS through a motion to incorporate this information into their plans that are

[3:26:31] Voice 4: the new proposed indigenous relations plan proposes to remove standing resolutions related

[3:26:43] Voice 4: to reconciliation from planning agendas and standing risks so adding more standing resolutions

[3:26:48] Voice 4: not desired

[3:26:49] Voice 20: it's trust area services

[3:26:51] Voice 4: that does engagement patients and all that processes so

[3:26:55] Voice 4: So it's really key to make sure that Trust Area Services has this information.

[3:26:59] Voice 4: Yeah.

[3:27:00] Voice 4: So if there's a motion that speaks to that.

[3:27:03] Voice 4: The motion would be to request Trust Area Services staff to respond to Manila tribes

[3:27:07] Voice 4: to understand and clarify their recommendations for future engagement toward a process that

[3:27:13] Voice 4: would guide future projects, communication, incorporating Indigenous knowledge, cultural

[3:27:19] Voice 4: heritage, rights, and interests into future projects.

[3:27:22] Voice 4: it's kind of what I could cram together and Joe I don't know if you've got better anybody has better

[3:27:31] Voice 4: ordinance so through the chair with those two motion I

[3:27:36] Voice 12: think

[3:27:37] Voice 4: this would address this particular

[3:27:40] Voice 3: item based on the discussion so

[3:27:47] Voice 6: can you tell

[3:27:49] Voice 11: the motion so

[3:27:51] Voice 4: to request trustor services staff

[3:27:55] Voice 4: to respond to Manila tribes letter to understand and clarify their recommendations for future

[3:28:04] Voice 4: engagement comma and work towards a process that would guide communication corporation of

[3:28:17] Voice 4: indigenous knowledge cultural heritage worlds and interests and guide future projects I don't know

[3:28:22] Voice 4: it's such a mess. This is why I wanted to take a break.

[3:28:25] Voice 11: Yeah, well I think that would be a good

[3:28:27] Voice 11: idea. But I also know that people want to get some closure on what other items you got here today,

[3:28:34] Voice 9: but if

[3:28:36] Voice 9: we don't just take the time to do the work, then it doesn't get done. So I

[3:28:41] Voice 11: agree with the

[3:28:42] Voice 11: second part of the motion. I struggle with the first part because we're asking again. And so

[3:28:52] Voice 11: So I would maybe eliminate that and say something, you know, whatever the language is that makes

[3:29:02] Voice 11: us, that carries being humbled,

[3:29:07] Voice 3: we ask for the second part.

[3:29:13] Voice 3: We don't need them to tell us again.

[3:29:15] Voice 3: But

[3:29:16] Voice 4: we're asking for a formal advisory committee.

[3:29:18] Voice 4: Like, what does that look like?

[3:29:19] Voice 4: we need to follow up and understand what the limitations are.

[3:29:24] Voice 17: That's all I'm saying.

[3:29:31] Voice 5: I don't know how we get there.

[3:29:39] Voice 4: Through the chair, if I may suggest, perhaps that motion we can look at after a break.

[3:29:47] Voice 4: Does the LCC wish to make a motion, a resolution on the project?

[3:29:52] Voice 4: if you wish to proceed or not proceed any further.

[3:30:00] Voice 4: Receive this for information, direct changes, further changes.

[3:30:07] Voice 4: I mean, kind of not proceed. Um, but I don't want to be the

[3:30:14] Voice 5: the vote. You told me you have a meeting in July. Yeah, I

[3:30:17] Voice 5: would say to bring it back to the meeting in July.

[3:30:20] Voice 5: I know if

[3:30:21] Voice 11: I say, can you schedule another meeting, you're going to say no.

[3:30:24] Voice 8: And

[3:30:24] Voice 11: so I would say, let's bring it back to the meeting in July. You don't have to.

[3:30:29] Voice 11: and maybe then we advance the other conversation further that we can decide what we're going to do

[3:30:38] Voice 11: but you know only really it's only the one element of that whole by-law 119 that i think is important

[3:30:48] Voice 11: because i don't want a situation to happen again that happened in the

[3:30:54] Voice 9: previous fighting yeah

[3:30:55] Voice 4: But making one change to the Latinx bylaw is not part of the project, in my view.

[3:31:02] Voice 4: It's not.

[3:31:03] Voice 4: Well, we don't.

[3:31:05] Voice 4: Not the referrals and the public hearing and the, you know, community engagement, community information meeting to change the definition of derelict view, but the impulsions.

[3:31:15] Voice 4: Right. Okay.

[3:31:16] Voice 4: Not.

[3:31:17] Voice 3: You know, how you capture it.

[3:31:18] Voice 4: Yeah.

[3:31:18] Voice 3: There's still a long ways to go.

[3:31:22] Voice 3: So, I would say...

[3:31:24] Voice 3: Well,

[3:31:24] Voice 11: do not proceed as your option.

[3:31:27] Voice 4: I think Ken and I would probably vote that one.

[3:31:30] Voice 4: I

[3:31:30] Voice 11: don't want to speak for you.

[3:31:31] Voice 4: Okay.

[3:31:32] Voice 11: Yeah, and that's fine.

[3:31:33] Voice 11: And if I vote against it, it still passes.

[3:31:34] Voice 11: So I get my cake and get to eat it too.

[3:31:37] Voice 11: There you go.

[3:31:38] Voice 4: So many appointments.

[3:31:39] Voice 4: Please make a motion.

[3:31:43] Voice 11: I'll move.

[3:31:44] Voice 4: No.

[3:31:45] Voice 4: Why not?

[3:31:45] Voice 4: Let Ken make the motion.

[3:31:47] Voice 4: I don't want to play your body.

[3:31:50] Voice 9: I can be open-minded.

[3:31:51] Voice 9: You

[3:31:51] Voice 4: can be open-minded.

[3:31:52] Voice 9: that the fetus on a local trust committee not proceed with bylaw 119. um that's it it's the

[3:32:04] Voice 4: project isn't it that's

[3:32:06] Voice 11: by the way you

[3:32:08] Voice 4: can finish targeted landis bylaw update minor projects

[3:32:14] Voice 6: yes yes

[3:32:14] Voice 8: okay

[3:32:15] Voice 6: i have a mover i'll second it i

[3:32:22] Voice 4: have a second to her

[3:32:25] Voice 4: just checking if uh lisa you've captured that okay yes

[3:32:31] Voice 15: chair elliot i have that thank you

[3:32:34] Voice 4: special on the motion okay do we want to add it to the future projects list or

[3:32:44] Voice 4: we can do that i guess i think that would be add it back because it's yeah

[3:32:48] Voice 4: oh yes it's moved to active so it'll move back to future it's up to the ltc okay

[3:32:54] Voice 4: Okay. Well, it's already seconded, so we'll have a vote on the motion, but not proceeding further with bylaw number 1.9. All those in favor?

[3:33:05] Voice 4: That is two. Those opposed?

[3:33:10] Voice 4: Oh, that is carried.

[3:33:13] Voice 4: Okay. Do you have a motion to add it to the future projects list so we don't lose the work?

[3:33:18] Voice 4: I'll

[3:33:18] Voice 11: move that one.

[3:33:19] Voice 4: Okay.

[3:33:20] Voice 4: I

[3:33:20] Voice 11: second that motion.

[3:33:21] Voice 11: HAB

[3:33:21] Voice 4: -Masyn Moyer- By trustee love comes second by trustee hunter to add the minor projects have targeted man he's by law to the future projects list all those in favor.

[3:33:30] Voice 6: HAB-Masyn Moyer- I did.

[3:33:31] Voice 6: HAB-Masyn Moyer- All

[3:33:32] Voice 4: right, and that's to you know that is carried.

[3:33:36] Voice 4: HAB-Masyn Moyer- Okay, so if.

[3:33:41] Voice 4: let's come back after the letter requesting staff support on responding to the letter from

[3:33:48] Voice 4: tribe and as you suggested we could move to sorry we're jumping around today lisa

[3:33:59] Voice 4: 13.1 the uh file enforcement briefing staff report rather on 69 filthy point road page 70

[3:34:14] Voice 4: thank you for your patience um and they are jumping all around today over to you

[3:34:23] Voice 21: so

[3:34:24] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: we prepared a report regarding this file at the request of trustee hunter he wanted it on

[3:34:29] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: on the agenda there was also a large amount of public concern about the enforcement file

[3:34:34] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: so what we've prepared is a an open meeting report just for information

[3:34:43] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: and i think for the most part everyone knows the basics but there was a complaint about this

[3:34:51] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: property and with a number of issues listed uh there's the dock in the water zone a deck built

[3:35:00] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: along the waterfront connecting to that dock there are also concerns about the

[3:35:08] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: home occupation or the Howling Wolf market on what is otherwise a vacant

[3:35:13] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: residential lot so under your land use bylaw in order to have any type of home

[3:35:22] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: occupation you need to have a residential use on that property you

[3:35:26] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: need to have some principal use on the property that would permit accessory

[3:35:30] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: uses. This market could be considered a home occupation, an accessory home occupation on the

[3:35:38] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: lot, but only by establishing that residential use. Now, the issues with the dock and the deck,

[3:35:50] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: we have a dock in the water zone that is supposed to be accessory to an abutting residential use.

[3:35:58] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: unfortunately the dock abuts not a private lot but the public highway and the deck itself has

[3:36:09] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: been built on what is a dedicated roadway it's it's it's actually trespassing and also no one

[3:36:17] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: the dock wasn't the use of the dock wasn't for even the closest residential lot for which there

[3:36:25] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: there was no principal permitted use anyway or residential use.

[3:36:29] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: It was for a lot behind it.

[3:36:31] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: So you have these issues where you have uses that can be lawful

[3:36:35] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: if they're accessory uses,

[3:36:37] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: but you didn't have the principal permitted use on the residential lot,

[3:36:41] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: such as a residence, that would allow these uses,

[3:36:44] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: that would allow the home occupation, such as a market.

[3:36:48] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: And that is why the property owner,

[3:36:50] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: who I will say has been cooperative in dealing with bylaw enforcement

[3:36:55] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: and we've been working on the solutions so a residence is being proposed for the vacant lot

[3:37:04] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: and put on that lot to my knowledge and so that would resolve the issues with the Howling Wolf

[3:37:12] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: market once there is a resident on that lot that has a direct involvement in the market

[3:37:19] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: That resolves the bylaw issue there. The deck and the dock are more complicated because your bylaw does require an abutting residential use. And as I've already referenced, it's the public roadway there.

[3:37:37] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: and the deck is especially problematic as it's on it's on the public highway without any type

[3:37:46] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: of license of occupation and all of your accessory structures are supposed to be on

[3:37:50] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: your lot again where you have the principal permitted use so we provided that information

[3:37:57] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: in this report that the local trust committee and the public know that we're working towards

[3:38:03] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: towards compliance and the property owner can also seek rezoning to try and resolve the issues with

[3:38:09] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: the lack of a butting residential use they may need to rezone the whole area in order to permit

[3:38:19] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: the dock and possibly the deck the other possibility with the rezoning is that you

[3:38:30] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: You have regulations, say, that are similar to Gabriola, where as long as you've established a residential use on the island, you're allowed to have the uses in the marine zone.

[3:38:42] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: You could adopt some type of wording that if a rezoning proceeds.

[3:38:46] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: So with this report, we're presenting it to you to receive as information.

[3:38:52] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: The purpose of the report is not to have a discussion on ongoing investigations at this time or to discuss your legal options or legal advice concerning this type of enforcement file.

[3:39:04] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: Your alternative options here are to request a further report in a closed meeting, or you could direct staff to put this on hold while rezoning or other planning applications are submitted by the property owner in order to resolve all the issues.

[3:39:23] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: So, I think we have all the relevant information that everyone needs to understand the contraventions on the property and how they can be resolved.

[3:39:32] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: And also, everyone should know is that the establishment of a residence on the lot 69 with a person residing in that residence directly involved in the market will allow the market to continue as it's been operating.

[3:39:50] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: And I can take any questions, Chair.

[3:39:55] Voice 4: Thank you, Manager Dinkman.

[3:39:57] Voice 4: Justin Peterson.

[3:39:59] Voice 4: Welcome.

[3:40:01] Voice 11: That's who

[3:40:01] Voice 4: you are, right?

[3:40:05] Voice 11: Thank you, Warren.

[3:40:08] Voice 11: I'll try to get through the questions, maybe.

[3:40:13] Voice 11: It sounds like getting the Hollywood market into compliance is in progress and achievable.

[3:40:23] Voice 11: and it would be great to see that happen soon rather than later um is that correct

[3:40:32] Voice 11: that's

[3:40:33] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: correct through the chair yes that's correct

[3:40:35] Voice 11: so really we don't need to turn our

[3:40:38] Voice 11: minds to doing anything there that's going to get resolved through the actions that are underway

[3:40:43] Voice 11: correct

[3:40:45] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: the only future consideration is how the property owner deals with the deck and the dock

[3:40:51] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: through some type of rezoning application.

[3:40:54] Voice 11: I'm just talking about the market, the market piece.

[3:40:56] Voice 11: So that's resolvable. I'm really glad to hear that. So the DEC sent you two questions. You

[3:41:04] Voice 11: offered a bunch of rezoning options and these other kinds of things, but in light of the

[3:41:10] Voice 11: conversation you just had about, is this in the bigger scheme of things, the most important thing

[3:41:14] Voice 11: we need to be doing? I don't know the answer to that, but it begs the question of rezoning would

[3:41:19] Voice 11: be a big deal um and i think that rezoning that piece of crown property the highway whatever you

[3:41:27] Voice 11: want to call it um would require the engagement of the crown in that they would have to agree to that

[3:41:33] Voice 11: and i don't know they would probably have to be the applicant on that rezoning and then finally

[3:41:40] Voice 11: um can this be simply resolved with or without rezoning by writing to minister highways the

[3:41:49] Voice 11: ground or whatever to say hey we got a dock on this little piece of land here that you own can

[3:41:54] Voice 11: we do this and get permission essentially from them to have that place there or is that not

[3:42:01] Voice 11: going to happen and then rezoning may still be something we'd need to do but could we move forward

[3:42:07] Voice 11: by seeking permission for that to happen the way it is presently because chris of course has a

[3:42:14] Voice 11: water use um for the water portion of it you're just missing that piece in the middle so through

[3:42:21] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: the chair it's more complicated than that because there's no abutting residential use so the they

[3:42:29] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: read for the roadway for the deck even if uh highways says we will permit you to have and

[3:42:39] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: they have done this in other circumstances although i don't know they do it today

[3:42:42] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: they haven't passed given license of occupation for their public highway to be used for some other

[3:42:49] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: purpose other than highways and otherwise the deck could stay on their land without their objection

[3:42:56] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: with a license of occupation however that doesn't satisfy the land use bylaw

[3:43:01] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: and the discussion about what the ltc would do probably needs to happen in camera as far as

[3:43:11] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: whether or not you want to enforce your bylaw against that deck and the water yes he has a

[3:43:17] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: crown lease so he can use crown land for a dock but it doesn't comply with the land use bylaw

[3:43:24] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: because there's no abutting residential use it doesn't abut an upland lot and there would need

[3:43:30] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: to be a rezoning amendment made to somehow permit that you could simply change the

[3:43:37] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: have all of the water zone for Thetis allow uses in that water zone

[3:43:45] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: as long as there's a residential use on Thetis like they do in Gabriola.

[3:43:52] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: It could be amended that way.

[3:43:55] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: But otherwise, other than removing the deck and the dock,

[3:43:59] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: it's problematic how we resolve that and bring it into compliance

[3:44:03] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: with without rezoning the uh that area or the whole water zone to allow residential uses or

[3:44:13] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: allow this accessory residential use as long as you have a residential use on thetis island and

[3:44:19] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: remove the word a butt can

[3:44:26] Voice 4: i ask a question since we have mr peg here uh and i'm just referring to

[3:44:33] Voice 4: your letter, in which you say you're having lumber milled here on Thetis for a new deck,

[3:44:41] Voice 4: is there intention to remove the current deck? And I understand this might,

[3:44:47] Voice 4: may not be able to have this conversation, normally we wouldn't have it open meeting.

[3:44:51] Voice 4: I think it's a cottage though.

[3:44:51] Voice 4: This is, oh, am I in?

[3:44:54] Voice 4: Yeah, I think that's for the cottage. Yeah, yeah.

[3:44:57] Voice 4: The new deck is for a cottage. Okay, thank you, thank you. Got it.

[3:45:02] Voice 4: sure oh sorry can i

[3:45:06] Voice 4: ask yeah you

[3:45:07] Voice 11: know maybe this is a loaded question and maybe you have to answer

[3:45:10] Voice 11: it in camera but just generally if an ltc is initiating a rezoning during the rezoning we

[3:45:19] Voice 11: don't do bylaw enforcement is that correct what's number two there oh yeah

[3:45:26] Voice 4: that's there's a second

[3:45:28] Voice 4: alternative to direct staff to place the bylaw compliance and enforcement file on hold until

[3:45:35] Voice 4: a planning application has been submitted for consideration by the local trust committee we

[3:45:44] Voice 11: can do that because we

[3:45:48] Voice 4: have all staff have all the information yeah they're working towards compliance

[3:45:52] Voice 4: on some aspects right but if it's placed on hold right how does the property owner pass questions

[3:46:01] Voice 4: and say well how can i move towards compliance because there's several moving pieces

[3:46:05] Voice 4: is correct um

[3:46:08] Voice 11: let's

[3:46:10] Voice 4: do that if it's if it's put on hold warren um do does everyone have enough

[3:46:17] Voice 4: information to kind of work towards compliance and and and of course planning staff will answer

[3:46:26] Voice 4: questions about if the rezoning is needed but i'm just concerned that putting it into

[3:46:31] Voice 4: advance for right now is so

[3:46:36] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: chair the purpose of putting it on hold or advance would be to

[3:46:39] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: reassure the property owner that no enforcement actions are going to be taken while he speaks

[3:46:45] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: with planning staff about rezoning the property right that's the intention of that it's just yes

[3:46:52] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: bylaw staff are going to take a back seat to this it doesn't mean he can't ask questions

[3:46:57] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: but putting it on hold means we're not going to be issuing any demand letters or tickets or

[3:47:04] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: requesting legal action for the ltc while he works with planning staff on trying to get this resolved

[3:47:10] Voice 6: okay thank

[3:47:12] Voice 6: you i'm

[3:47:14] Voice 11: happy to do that but i also want to speak to the elephant that's standing

[3:47:21] Voice 11: over in the corner of the room and that that dock is not the only problem in the harbor

[3:47:30] Voice 11: And so, therefore, if you're considering rezoning, that should be offered to that very specific location surrounding the specific area around the boat map, including maybe the boat map.

[3:47:49] Voice 4: Trustee Hunter?

[3:47:51] Voice 9: Thank you, Chair.

[3:47:52] Voice 9: I'm wondering if the first option is maybe the one we should proceed with first.

[3:48:00] Voice 9: To prepare a closed meeting?

[3:48:02] Voice 9: be something in a closed meeting that would be better solution than rezoning do you have any

[3:48:11] Voice 9: other solutions in your pocket more well we need to find that out i mean uh i don't know how long

[3:48:17] Voice 9: is rezoning take a year a

[3:48:21] Voice 8: year okay maybe two okay well i guess but is that a big burden for

[3:48:28] Voice 9: the property owner not

[3:48:30] Voice 11: if we're not enforcing

[3:48:31] Voice 11: is it expensive somebody has to pay for it well if

[3:48:37] Voice 11: it's a community benefit it could be unless

[3:48:40] Voice 4: people direct a new minor

[3:48:41] Voice 11: project well there's all kinds

[3:48:44] Voice 11: of one if and is there but how do we get past today

[3:48:47] Voice 4: renee has some advising through the chair

[3:48:51] Voice 4: without discussing this file so I would be closed the options are presented in

[3:49:00] Voice 4: the report for for this particular but the reason is the options there were no

[3:49:09] Voice 4: other options that were feasible for this particular device yeah I see what

[3:49:20] Voice 4: you're saying i don't think we get anybody

[3:49:28] Voice 11: really want to leave this hanging over versus head

[3:49:34] Voice 6: no we don't want that very drunkenly during the

[3:49:49] Voice 4: chair um the ltc may wish to receive this

[3:49:54] Voice 4: particular report for information and you can ask to go to post following the rest of the items on

[3:50:01] Voice 4: this agenda as well that is an option the ldc would like to talk about them

[3:50:08] Voice 4: have more questions although

[3:50:10] Voice 11: i think that the options there number two is not meant to be

[3:50:13] Voice 11: but i'm happy to go either way i want to respect that you guys deserve lunch you work for us you

[3:50:18] Voice 11: know volunteers like us and so we should have a break and then you folks that don't want to

[3:50:24] Voice 11: hang around. Stay tuned. It

[3:50:26] Voice 11: might be on each post.

[3:50:32] Voice 4: So often to anybody emotion is well necessary

[3:50:39] Voice 11: to try it. So I'm

[3:50:42] Voice 11: going to move then. Let's see if some local trust committee

[3:50:45] Voice 11: rec staff to place the bio compliance and enforcement file

[3:50:49] Voice 11: on hold until a planning application has been submitted

[3:50:51] Voice 11: for consideration by the local trust.

[3:50:53] Voice 11: moved.

[3:51:01] Voice 4: Seconded by Trustee Hunter. So I guess my question on that is, is the remedy of establishing

[3:51:16] Voice 4: a principal residential use on the property, would that still be pursued or just?

[3:51:24] Voice 11: I think

[3:51:25] Voice 11: that will become apparent in that process for the application to rezone because what

[3:51:29] Voice 11: needs to happen is it needs to be resolved to not need to have a residential multi-body or

[3:51:35] Voice 11: lots of yeah so how about where it's gone yeah much like on get real there you go okay

[3:51:42] Voice 11: that should work

[3:51:43] Voice 4: that's great any further discussion all those in favor all right that

[3:51:49] Voice 4: is carried okay any do you want another report or would you like to discuss this in close

[3:51:59] Voice 4: um later today no

[3:52:01] Voice 11: unless we want please you have something to share with us i don't think we should

[3:52:05] Voice 11: have a conversation okay

[3:52:06] Voice 4: let's

[3:52:07] Voice 11: have a break

[3:52:08] Voice 4: excellent

[3:52:09] Voice 11: thank

[3:52:10] Voice 4: you so much staff for hanging

[3:52:12] Voice 4: in with us and remembering the public we will break for half an hour and come back at well

[3:52:18] Voice 4: let's just make it 2 p.m and there's a 3 30 ferry so i should be on that one

[3:52:26] Voice 4: let's come back at one let's come back at 10 to 10 to 2 okay 10 to 2 thank you everybody

[4:24:04] Voice 5: I took away that motion. I just

[4:24:06] Voice 5: I feel like it was more

[4:24:09] Voice 3: appropriate that trustee Leiter

[4:24:11] Voice 3: did it for me.

[4:24:22] Voice 13: So, I want to know

[4:24:24] Voice 13: why Helen Deane didn't show up.

[4:24:30] Voice 8: We

[4:24:31] Voice 4: saw you

[4:24:32] Voice 4: on stage the whole time.

[4:24:33] Voice 4: All right, I think I'm in good shape now.

[4:24:41] Voice 4: Thank you, everybody.

[4:24:46] Voice 4: We are back from our reset.

[4:24:50] Voice 4: There's a little bit of noise at the door, so hopefully everyone can hear us.

[4:24:57] Voice 4: We're going to go through our decision items, picking up at the mini-procedure bylaw,

[4:25:06] Voice 4: repeal

[4:25:06] Voice 5: bylaw right there yeah it doesn't make it any longer so yeah

[4:25:16] Voice 4: lisa we're going to continue

[4:25:17] Voice 4: through the uh 13.2 and go through the rest of the decisions on page 73 and then we'll go back to the

[4:25:33] Voice 4: I think we'll be fine for time yep sure there was a motion to discuss after the break regarding

[4:25:40] Voice 4: item 13.1 oh yes do let's continue with sorry do we have some advice on some better

[4:25:50] Voice 4: pretty for that motion that I sort of threw

[4:25:55] Voice 6: to y'all um

[4:25:56] Voice 4: through the chair I perhaps um

[4:26:00] Voice 4: if you do not wish to specifically reference items you could refer to the letter like the

[4:26:09] Voice 4: sorry pardon me the contents of the letter and can you share that with trust area services

[4:26:16] Voice 4: So, yeah. So, requesting trust area services to respond to the substance of Penelope Tribe's letter of dated 12.

[4:26:32] Voice 4: Do you have a date?

[4:27:08] Voice 4: Okay, so requesting trust area services to respond to the, I was going to say recommendation

[4:27:18] Voice 4: recommendation and inquiries are just contacts don't like that word, but you can use record

[4:27:25] Voice 4: recommendation.

[4:27:26] Voice 4: Yeah.

[4:27:27] Voice 4: Recommendation.

[4:27:28] Voice 4: What's the letter?

[4:27:30] Voice 4: It's a letter from Penelope.

[4:27:32] Voice 4: Try.

[4:27:34] Voice 4: It's right.

[4:27:35] Voice 4: You know, 60.

[4:27:38] Voice 4: I have 20.6.

[4:27:41] Voice 4: Um,

[4:27:41] Voice 4: Um,

[4:27:44] Voice 6: discussion. Yeah,

[4:27:49] Voice 4: trust committees,

[4:28:03] Voice 6: local

[4:28:06] Voice 4: trust committees discussion about future projects.

[4:28:11] Voice 4: So uh, the local trust committee requests trust area services to respond and recommendations

[4:28:20] Voice 4: in the letter from the Connecticut Tribes dated April 16, 2026, he still said this to

[4:28:27] Voice 4: you. As for the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee's discussion around engagement on

[4:28:35] Voice 4: future projects, through the Chair, that seems clear for the intention. The OTC is talking

[4:28:44] Voice 4: about this topic upon the break. Yeah. Okay. And through the Chair, it leaves itself open

[4:28:51] Voice 4: into further advice for our customers to guide future projects. Yeah,

[4:28:57] Voice 20: because I do want to,

[4:28:59] Voice 4: like this is about LTC projects too. It's not just

[4:29:07] Voice 4: I just said that. So

[4:29:16] Voice 8: So I

[4:29:19] Voice 4: move that the Theanus Island Local Trust Committee request trust area servicing staff

[4:29:26] Voice 4: to respond to the recommendations in the letter from the Nelufik Tribes dated April 16, 2026

[4:29:33] Voice 4: as per the Theanus Island Local Trust Committee's discussion around engagement to guide future

[4:29:37] Voice 4: projects.

[4:29:40] Voice 7: Second.

[4:29:41] Voice 4: Second.

[4:29:42] Voice 4: Second it.

[4:29:43] Voice 4: Discussion on motion?

[4:29:46] Voice 4: No?

[4:29:47] Voice 4: Okay.

[4:29:48] Voice 4: Okay. All those in favor? And that is carried. Thank you. 13

[4:29:55] Voice 4: .2, page 73, we've got...

[4:30:00] Voice 4: bill by law administrative business um

[4:30:04] Voice 11: i have a whole speech on this but i'm just going to

[4:30:07] Voice 4: okay don't get your speeches just make a motion don't

[4:30:12] Voice 11: move that at the tina sound

[4:30:13] Voice 11: local trust committee by the 116 side of this it's not a local trust committee meeting procedures

[4:30:18] Voice 11: file number one one six twenty twenty five be adopted we need to say review

[4:30:22] Voice 11: here. Yes, the word that I missed it. Yeah, by the way. Oh,

[4:30:29] Voice 6: dear emotions. Okay, so repeal

[4:30:42] Voice 6: that. Yeah,

[4:30:44] Voice 4: that's the brief. I

[4:30:46] Voice 11: just missed the word review.

[4:30:49] Voice 4: Yeah, yeah. Okay, moved. And

[4:30:52] Voice 4: I have a seconder. Okay, discussion on the motion. Short speech.

[4:30:57] Voice 11: Yeah, only that we need

[4:31:07] Voice 3: this

[4:31:08] Voice 4: is not this bylaw that's the next one all right this one is just a repeal of your only

[4:31:13] Voice 4: meeting procedure by law all those in favor that is carried the next one is on 76 and this is the

[4:31:24] Voice 4: the correction to remove East folks newsletter. Um,

[4:31:28] Voice 4: he's

[4:31:29] Voice 5: reminding you of it.

[4:31:31] Voice 5: Mara said it would be proper. So

[4:31:34] Voice 4: I can give a brief overview. Council made that decision.

[4:31:39] Voice 4: Yeah, sorry. The chair, if you wish you can give a brief introduction. I can. Well, we have an East folks newsletter as a third condition, but it turns out that makes things worse because then you have to throw all three conditions.

[4:31:53] Voice 4: And so this is for trust council bylaw, like public notification, not just leaders on the local trust committee.

[4:32:03] Voice 4: And so everything would have to go through the webpage, social media, which are our own content,

[4:32:11] Voice 5: plus e-sports.

[4:32:12] Voice 4: So this was flipped back from Director Marlowe to say, adding e-spokes, if you go to page 77, it creates a third mandatory notice requirement, not just an optional one, and you'd be legally able to give the teams all three methods.

[4:32:28] Voice 4: But it doesn't mean that we can still do supplementary communication to e-spokes, right?

[4:32:38] Voice 4: Right.

[4:32:40] Voice 4: right so it just is not a formal obligation it's just that the flexibility of using these folks

[4:32:48] Voice 4: without being a legal obligation that's right

[4:32:51] Voice 6: says that yeah

[4:33:02] Voice 11: i move the city

[4:33:04] Voice 11: side local trust

[4:33:05] Voice 11: community man byline number one on each side city side local committee public notification

[4:33:10] Voice 11: taking file number 118 to 20.6 by deleting item 3, e-spokes, newsletter.

[4:33:17] Voice 11: Second

[4:33:18] Voice 4: moved and seconded. Any discussion?

[4:33:20] Voice 11: I'll speak to the motion.

[4:33:22] Voice 11: Despite my pleas at Trust Council,

[4:33:26] Voice 11: that e-spokes is widely circulated and read by everybody,

[4:33:29] Voice 11: and apparently that is not the case on other items.

[4:33:33] Voice 11: Thank you.

[4:33:35] Voice 5: I'll be voting in favor.

[4:33:37] Voice 4: Excellent.

[4:33:38] Voice 4: i'm a team we

[4:33:39] Voice 4: appreciate we appreciate those who don't hold the e-sports just we don't want to make

[4:33:45] Voice 4: it a legal obligation but i'm sure staff and your local trustees will be forwarding things to these

[4:33:52] Voice 4: folks okay then trusted entries all those in favor that is gary don't work out i moved that

[4:34:02] Voice 9: season over trust when you give bylaw number 118 said it as fetus local trust giving the

[4:34:07] Voice 9: total total location bylaw number 118 20 26 third reading complement

[4:34:17] Voice 4: yeah we

[4:34:18] Voice 4: did first and second order so moved and seconded discussion all those in favor

[4:34:24] Voice 4: that is carried.

[4:34:25] Voice 11: Yep. Next.

[4:34:28] Voice 11: I move that the Thetis Island Local Trust Committee

[4:34:30] Voice 11: forward bylaw number 118, cited

[4:34:32] Voice 11: as the Thetis Local

[4:34:34] Voice 11: Trust Committee Public

[4:34:36] Voice 11: Notification bylaw number 118

[4:34:39] Voice 11: 2026 to the

[4:34:40] Voice 11: Islands Trust Executive Committee

[4:34:42] Voice 11: for consideration of approval.

[4:34:45] Voice 4: Moved and seconded.

[4:34:46] Voice 4: Any discussion? I was

[4:34:48] Voice 11: going to note that the word island is left out of

[4:34:50] Voice 11: the Thetis Local Trust Committee, and I

[4:34:52] Voice 4: wonder

[4:34:52] Voice 11: why we don't say island.

[4:34:54] Voice 4: Thank you. Yeah, we shouldn't have to do that.

[4:34:58] Voice 6: All right.

[4:35:00] Voice 4: All those in favor?

[4:35:02] Voice 4: Aye. That is carried. Thank you.

[4:35:05] Voice 4: Item 13.4, which is on page 80. This is our very brief

[4:35:10] Voice 4: little moment of fame to be in the 2025-26

[4:35:14] Voice 4: annual report.

[4:35:17] Voice 4: Are you having flashbacks?

[4:35:20] Voice 4: If there are any changes suggested, have you had any meetings with Connecticut or Rats on First Nation to report on? Or is that in a separate section?

[4:35:32] Voice 4: Is the chair not through this reporting for this time? Okay.

[4:35:38] I wanted to

[4:35:43] Voice 4: insert something about their other ministry. Yeah, okay. Any changes?

[4:35:55] Voice 4: there is one one part of this where it says work for this period but we started advancing

[4:36:02] Voice 4: the priorities to amend their lub as a current project with brain water storage requirements um

[4:36:09] Voice 4: site regulations and the definition for derelict vehicles because you've just decided not to

[4:36:16] Voice 4: proceed with that project you could you could amend this part of the update well

[4:36:22] Voice 11: i don't think

[4:36:22] Voice 11: we decided that we just decided to not proceed not not

[4:36:25] Voice 11: to receive it

[4:36:26] Voice 4: but we could remove the

[4:36:30] Voice 4: as a current project way so that we're

[4:36:34] Voice 6: sorry well

[4:36:36] Voice 4: it's not occurring

[4:36:40] Voice 6: yeah

[4:36:43] Voice 4: because we could just go to amend their line use bylaw to update rate monitor storage

[4:36:48] Voice 4: bridge just skipped the current project part of it

[4:36:52] Voice 6: no

[4:36:53] Voice 4: no no just has a current problem underway

[4:37:04] Voice 6: i

[4:37:06] Voice 9: guess it's going to come back up again

[4:37:08] Voice 9: through

[4:37:11] Voice 4: the chair um i can suggest that i will take the resolution that the ltc is given

[4:37:23] Voice 4: in to update the section for the annual reporting and forward it to morgana to indicate that the

[4:37:30] Voice 4: work has the work has happened and the project project is has not proceeded okay

[4:37:47] Voice 4: technically it was in the 2025-26 fiscal year

[4:37:50] Voice 4: we're rocking well

[4:37:52] Voice 11: you know that's actually a really important point

[4:37:54] Voice 11: so i

[4:38:00] Voice 4: was just removed as a current project underway so just this was for last period

[4:38:05] Voice 4: and it was we did do work on that so sure it moved

[4:38:09] Voice 4: as a current project underway and then

[4:38:12] a

[4:38:12] Voice 4: little something else thank you thanks okay

[4:38:22] Voice 4: so can somebody move the recommended motion with the uh

[4:38:25] Voice 4: i move

[4:38:28] Voice 11: that the senate trust committee approves the attached text for inclusion in the 2025-26

[4:38:33] Voice 11: annual report for approval of trust council and submission to the minister of housing

[4:38:38] Voice 11: Thank

[4:38:39] Voice 4: you, moved and seconded. Any discussion? All those in favor?

[4:38:45] Voice 4: That's carried.

[4:38:47] Voice 4: Back to the lab. We've got something elephant-sized over there.

[4:38:53] Voice 4: Alright, LTC requests for information about the cost-sharing for all the patients.

[4:39:00] Voice 4: And if you'd like to update us.

[4:39:05] Voice 4: So this, this comes from a request from the local trust committee to look into what options

[4:39:13] Voice 4: are available for the local trust committee to share costs for legal review of section

[4:39:18] Voice 4: 219 covenant regarding a specific application and if there were if that was not available

[4:39:24] Voice 4: were there other other options available to the local trust committee.

[4:39:27] Voice 4: So the information in the report here is sharing that the LTC, based on the legislation of the Community Charter and the Local Government Act,

[4:39:40] Voice 4: unfortunate local governments may not provide financial benefit to property owners or assistance to a business in remaining partial regarding their land use decisions as a decision maker.

[4:39:54] Voice 4: In addition, the LTC cannot use revenue generated by fees or tax to pay for a cost that is for

[4:40:04] Voice 4: the benefit of a private landowner.

[4:40:07] Voice 4: So Stav has included a note with regards to that, there's a variety of reasons, one being

[4:40:15] Voice 4: doing so could be seen as the local trust committee bettering their discretion when

[4:40:21] Voice 4: considering a zoning amendment for approval. There are a couple policies that are being

[4:40:30] Voice 4: claimed here with regards to direction through policy on application processing, where the

[4:40:38] Voice 4: cost of an application is recovered through 100% of that fee, as well as a policy regarding

[4:40:47] Voice 4: guidelines for executive committee sponsoring a local trust committee application that unfortunately

[4:40:54] Voice 4: doesn't apply in this case because it's for it it doesn't apply to a individual property

[4:41:05] Voice 4: so staff do recognize that while the ltc may want to assist property owners in the community

[4:41:12] Voice 4: community, there are unfortunately limited options to do so.

[4:41:16] Voice 4: So there are, there is a non related fee that I just mentioned, which could be in recommending

[4:41:23] Voice 4: a speed box, sorry, a fee sponsorship, but again, that wouldn't apply in this case.

[4:41:31] Voice 4: So the LTC staff didn't recommend, they haven't provided a recommendation here.

[4:41:39] Voice 4: here. So this information is more about to receive for information and any, any questions?

[4:41:48] Voice 12: There

[4:41:49] Voice 3: are making motion to receive information and fall into effect wash in the game. We

[4:41:55] Voice 3: are

[4:41:55] Voice 11: confused,

[4:42:03] Voice 4: though. Are we talking about how legal review?

[4:42:11] Voice 5: Right.

[4:42:12] Voice 4: So isn't that part of the application processing services? There's a fee for that?

[4:42:19] Voice 4: Yes, the fee charged for that application covers certain aspects of that processing.

[4:42:27] Voice 4: The legal review is an additional fee that would be either paid for if it's required, paid for by the applicant or by the applicant.

[4:42:37] Voice 4: there may be cases where a legal review doesn't require and in those examples what um what we've

[4:42:44] Voice 4: done is as an organization has established templates that we can use for example for a

[4:42:51] Voice 4: covenant so that there's less um the terms are already set up in terms of what's applicable

[4:42:58] Voice 4: the planner works with the applicant in terms of what is appropriate for the covenant

[4:43:04] Voice 4: And there may not be a legal review required, but in the event that there is, that's where

[4:43:12] Voice 4: the fees don't cover a legal review, they have to be in place for it.

[4:43:18] Voice 4: But if there's an

[4:43:19] Voice 4: instance for this application where legal review is not required, it's separate

[4:43:24] Voice 4: for some of them.

[4:43:26] Voice 4: But can we not determine there is a lower cost recovery for environmental protection

[4:43:34] Voice 4: according to your policy 5.6.1. So the second bullet, it's the last bullet on page 83.

[4:43:47] Voice 6: Right,

[4:43:48] Voice 4: so that's referring to under the application process of services under policy 5.6.1, if

[4:43:58] Voice 4: if there is a fee related to considering a lower cost recovery for environmental protection

[4:44:07] Voice 4: so in this case that made

[4:44:10] Voice 4: take rid of this

[4:44:12] Voice 5: not

[4:44:19] Voice 4: understanding because the purpose of this policy is to recover from applicants 100

[4:44:24] Voice 4: of the average

[4:44:25] Voice 4: but you could still permit consideration of lower cost recovery for

[4:44:31] Voice 4: environmental production so that's why so that comes back to the

[4:44:36] Voice 11: legal review

[4:44:40] Voice 4: applications

[4:44:45] Voice 4: processing services are dropped to the next community government including legal review

[4:44:52] Voice 4: uh is born by the applicant but the purpose of the policy is to recover a hundred percent

[4:45:05] Voice 5: Okay,

[4:45:05] Voice 4: and the way it's worded is pretty easy.

[4:45:07] Voice 4: If I went to the policy, then I might go.

[4:45:09] Voice 6: The

[4:45:16] Voice 4: problem through the chair, the policy speaks to the ability to explore cost recovery,

[4:45:23] Voice 4: especially for environmental protection and community benefit, where there's a covenant

[4:45:28] Voice 4: or some other agreement.

[4:45:30] Voice 4: I believe in this case, the covenant is fairly simple in terms, but that could be what I

[4:45:38] Voice 4: I would want the planner on the file to be able to look at through the application process.

[4:45:47] Voice 4: So this policy indicates that the LTC could explore a lower cost recovery where there is,

[4:45:57] Voice 4: for more complicated legal documents, where there's environmental protection.

[4:46:04] Voice 4: I'm

[4:46:05] Voice 8: sorry, but that's crazy.

[4:46:06] Voice 4: like there's an additional processing cost, then you can look at registration and preparation of legal documents that are part of putting a covenant on, it gives us the ability to recover less than a hundred percent.

[4:46:27] Voice 6: No, through the policy.

[4:46:29] Voice 4: The fees are for the application processing, and that policy goes into a little bit more detail when it's in the right sphere.

[4:46:41] Voice 4: Looking at it.

[4:46:43] Voice 4: I

[4:46:50] Voice 6: don't think the legal

[4:46:51] Voice 11: review is considered part of processing the development application. Processing the development application is what happens in terms of the money.

[4:47:15] Voice 11: Yeah, I

[4:47:17] Voice 4: think the way of just the way we're in a briefing, it can play two different parts

[4:47:23] Voice 4: of the policy that makes it confusing. So I'm looking at the policy and getting it because

[4:47:30] Voice 4: but because it's now an extraordinary crisis and cause,

[4:47:33] Voice 4: can't be a specific legal service

[4:47:34] Voice 4: such as the preparation, registration, legal documents,

[4:47:39] Voice 4: but it's different.

[4:47:44] Voice 4: Thank

[4:47:45] Voice 3: you, Chair Elliott.

[4:48:00] Voice 15: I'm getting a lot of audio interference,

[4:48:03] Voice 15: interference, not through other speakers, but when the LTC is speaking. So I'm not sure if the

[4:48:09] Voice 15: microphone moved, but if everybody could remove their hands from their mouths and speak directly

[4:48:16] Voice 15: towards the microphone, that would be helpful.

[4:48:17] Voice 4: Can we just bring it closer? Another question

[4:48:21] Voice 4: might be to, if you're locked in on Zoom, you can hook up, like, the microphone from your

[4:48:30] Voice 4: I think it's just when the mic goes on

[4:48:32] Voice 4: that it picks up all the other noise.

[4:48:35] Voice 4: Can you hear when I'm speaking, Lisa?

[4:48:38] Voice 15: I can now when you spoke directly towards the microphone.

[4:48:42] Voice 4: Okay, so we just need to talk to you.

[4:48:47] Voice 4: Thank you.

[4:48:48] Voice 4: Thank you, Lisa.

[4:48:49] Voice 4: Okay, all right,

[4:48:51] Voice 4: let's move on.

[4:48:52] Voice 4: I'm sure that it's all in order.

[4:48:55] Voice 17: Do you want a motion?

[4:48:58] Voice 4: so you wanted to

[4:48:59] Voice 4: forward that to the applicant to the applicant

[4:49:02] Voice 11: so i'll move that the local trust committee received for information the uh

[4:49:19] Voice 11: request for information regarding talk sharing for applications

[4:49:24] Voice 11: and forward this briefing to Welsh Fenton and advise them that the LTC is unable to enter into a cost-sharing agreement for this work.

[4:49:39] Voice 4: Thank you. I'll just check in case I have a chance to capture all that.

[4:49:46] Voice 4: So we're basically receiving

[4:49:47] Voice 4: this for information, forwarding the briefing to Welsh Fenton

[4:49:50] Voice 4: and with the explanation that we cannot enter a cost-sharing or recovery agreement.

[4:50:01] Voice 6: I wish them success with their project.

[4:50:04] Voice 4: No, we won't. Stop adding things.

[4:50:09] Voice 15: I've got that. Thank you.

[4:50:10] Voice 4: Okay. Thank you. Move, seconded. All those in favor?

[4:50:13] Voice 4: Aye.

[4:50:14] Voice 4: That is carried. Excellent.

[4:50:17] Voice 4: Excellent. So now we have our reports for the Trust Committee. Sorry, not that. Highlights of the Trust Conservancy. Receive for information. Applications report. Any questions on that?

[4:50:34] Voice 4: not. Trustee local expenses, adopted policies and standing resolutions, local trust committee

[4:50:41] Voice 4: webpage. So we will jump back up to our minutes. So section six, we've got minutes of the local

[4:50:53] Voice 4: trust committee meeting dated February 3rd, 2026 for adoption. Page four, everything in

[4:51:01] Voice 4: order there okay the general consent will adopt the minutes of the Ditasana local trust committee

[4:51:09] Voice 4: meeting February 3rd 2026 and then we have our follow-up action list actually those were very

[4:51:17] Voice 4: expensive minutes thank you and then finally our follow-up action list on page 17. okay now it's

[4:51:30] Voice 4: quite

[4:51:30] Voice 16: yeah the elephants have left the

[4:51:32] Voice 4: elephants are lovely um item one is there any progress on

[4:51:41] Voice 4: this uh the rezoning the invitation to first nations to a site visit through yeah

[4:51:51] Voice 4: so there

[4:51:53] Voice 4: hasn't been um there hasn't been any updates from the applicant uh staff tried reaching out to

[4:52:02] Voice 3: the

[4:52:03] Voice 4: staff from Connecticut. I also haven't been able to hear back yet. So, and also there

[4:52:10] Voice 4: hasn't been an update concerning this covenant requirement either. This is part of this follow-up

[4:52:20] Voice 4: action. But yeah, there's a few items that need to be moved

[4:52:26] Voice 3: along for this application.

[4:52:33] Voice 3: this is taking a long time

[4:52:36] Voice 8: um

[4:52:38] Voice 3: sorry

[4:52:42] Voice 4: just remind me is it penelicate that was mostly involved

[4:52:46] Voice 4: originally with the sort of on the ground monitoring the report relax and first you

[4:52:52] Voice 4: should be delicate it is okay okay okay so they some of their um an elder visited with

[4:53:01] Voice 4: with the applicant randomly, but it's not making sense.

[4:53:06] Voice 4: Nothing formally was, since it has been submitted

[4:53:11] Voice 4: as an application to Islands Trust.

[4:53:13] Voice 4: There hasn't been, you know, we've reached,

[4:53:15] Voice 4: staff have reached out to an applicant multiple times,

[4:53:19] Voice 4: LAXA, we've heard of anything yet.

[4:53:24] Voice 4: We heard back from an applicant

[4:53:26] Voice 4: and then we just got very, very busy

[4:53:29] Voice 4: and it became a lower priority,

[4:53:30] Voice 4: already, but they did express interest in potentially doing a site visit with the applicant

[4:53:35] Voice 4: to the owners. So I think there's still the intention to make that happen. That just hasn't

[4:53:41] Voice 4: been working out.

[4:53:42] Voice 4: Correct.

[4:53:50] Voice 9: Chief, can their number four is a complete no?

[4:54:00] Voice 4: Yes, through the chair, yes. And including the follow-up to share information back with

[4:54:07] Voice 4: the applicant.

[4:54:07] Voice 4: seems to be most of the follow-up action list listed will disappear okay so if there's no

[4:54:25] Voice 4: further questions uh there are no delegations and we've already gone through section nine

[4:54:30] Voice 4: so we'll move on to correspondence section 11 um 11.1 is there any

[4:54:42] Voice 4: page 54 so this was regarding ruxton island yeah

[4:54:54] Voice 11: the only um i don't know that we i think

[4:54:57] Voice 11: it's proceeded from action um this is a very old issue and the community not the island's trust

[4:55:07] Voice 11: wanted no doctor that's important to note

[4:55:16] Voice 7: It

[4:55:16] Voice 9: seems to me that 57% of the residents wanted dogs when I was at that meeting in the Nile.

[4:55:24] Voice 9: But I could be wrong.

[4:55:27] Voice 9: Which meeting?

[4:55:29] Voice 9: 50% of the people who came to the meeting.

[4:55:31] Voice 9: We

[4:55:31] Voice 11: had a special meeting in the Civic Center.

[4:55:37] Voice 4: Okay. Thank you for the history. It's good to know.

[4:55:43] Voice 4: Okay, so we'll receive that for information. I think all of the other pieces, 11.2 to 11.9,

[4:55:53] Voice 4: which are all about the file enforcement file. And then we've got 11.10, which is about the

[4:56:02] Voice 4: ALC. So we'll just receive all those for information, I'm assuming. We've already had that discussion.

[4:56:09] Voice 4: discussion. Thank everyone for writing to us. ALC 11 point. There it is. Staffing challenges.

[4:56:22] Voice 4: 68.

[4:56:23] Voice 4: Yeah.

[4:56:24] Voice 3: Is there a lot of

[4:56:28] Voice 4: ALR in the end of the year?

[4:56:30] Voice 3: No, only those who want to do things, I think. Is that correct, Ken?

[4:56:52] Voice 3: So this

[4:56:54] Voice 4: entire budget is $5.5 million for 2026-2027 fiscal year and they must operate

[4:57:01] Voice 4: at that level. Wish them success. Receive for information.

[4:57:06] Voice 4: Yep. Good. And 11.11 as well.

[4:57:14] Voice 11: The ALC was created by the government as well, not by the ALC.

[4:57:17] Voice 11: There's a

[4:57:18] Voice 4: single time too. Okay. And we've already dealt with 13.1, 13.2,

[4:57:34] Voice 4: Okay, so we're at Future Projects, or Active Projects, this minor project, one of the two

[4:57:40] Voice 4: Future Projects lists.

[4:57:44] Voice 6: No minor projects.

[4:57:46] Voice 4: You got nothing.

[4:57:49] Voice 5: I

[4:57:50] Voice 4: do wonder, Margo, I remember you doing a big long summary report of everything in the

[4:57:57] Voice 4: OCP kind of future projects bucket list remember when we were considering the minor project

[4:58:04] Voice 4: I wonder if that could be captured and just like that report maybe should be part of the

[4:58:13] Voice 4: Venus Island Local Trust Committee's first agenda of the year not to not to necessarily consider

[4:58:19] Voice 4: that but just here's the discussion that was already had do we ever do something like that

[4:58:25] Voice 4: because it's difficult like we made an effort to clean it up but now where is that information

[4:58:31] Voice 4: yeah through the chair um that's something that um is a good practice to happen with the new

[4:58:38] Voice 4: local trust committee at the start of their term um it only happens with the island planner when

[4:58:45] Voice 4: talking about what projects the ltc would like to contemplate um so the part of that's part of that

[4:58:54] Voice 4: exercise so we can cross-reference that report maybe add

[4:58:57] Voice 4: a note in here okay yeah it's still

[4:59:00] Voice 4: captured i just i thought it was more organized and then you put it in the report so i guess we

[4:59:05] Voice 4: still have the all the less so

[4:59:08] Voice 6: yeah it's good

[4:59:13] Voice 6: all

[4:59:14] Voice 4: right

[4:59:23] Voice 11: well

[4:59:27] Voice 4: we're uh we're on track here so our next regular meeting

[4:59:30] Voice 4: um we don't have any significant business should it be in person no we have time two per year

[4:59:39] Voice 11: Well, can we be interested in any updates on the decisions in this today?

[4:59:44] Voice 4: Through the Chair, I believe what has been set up in your calendar, scheduled meetings,

[4:59:49] Voice 4: whether it's in-person or electronic, has been confirmed with your meeting procedure.

[4:59:53] Voice 4: Okay.

[4:59:55] Voice 4: Okay, so if you would like to explore more electronic opportunities for meetings,

[5:00:00] Voice 4: that can be done by resolution either this meeting or resolution about meetings not

[5:00:05] Voice 4: more meetings i was just wondering if this should be electronic if there's no real business to

[5:00:10] Voice 4: conduct there's not a lot on the agenda of what you make through the chair i wouldn't be able to

[5:00:17] Voice 4: uh yeah predict if there are applications that might be appropriate in person

[5:00:23] Voice 4: There will likely be an application and staff report about that Welsh Fenton rezoning.

[5:00:31] Voice 4: We'd like to keep that moving. So yeah, that's probably the big item.

[5:00:38] Voice 4: Great. Well,

[5:00:40] Voice 11: given the enthusiasm for our in-person meeting today,

[5:00:44] Voice 11: day. I might anticipate in the summer, there might be a summer

[5:00:50] Voice 11: crowd that might also be interested in attending. So

[5:00:53] Voice 11: there's an opportunity there to focus on the profile. If there's

[5:01:00] Voice 11: no objection to that.

[5:01:01] Voice 5: No, I'm gonna try

[5:01:02] Voice 4: to sail here. I want to make sure it's still in

[5:01:05] Voice 4: person. I just wanted to check if there's nothing on the

[5:01:08] Voice 4: agenda. We will sail

[5:01:09] Voice 5: here today. No,

[5:01:10] Voice 4: one day. So our next regular

[5:01:13] Voice 4: meeting is scheduled for monday july 13th 2026 at 9 30 a.m here at the thetis island community center

[5:01:20] Voice 4: forbes hall north cove road this island hopefully we'll see everybody here and please let them know

[5:01:27] Voice 4: about the public participation time and now we'll move into closed meetings we can take care of the

[5:01:34] Voice 11: meetings of the public and according to the community charter part four division three

[5:01:38] Voice 11: the subject of a certain sort of a personal information about an

[5:01:43] Voice 11: identifiable individual who holds or is being considered for

[5:01:47] Voice 11: a position as an officer employee or another position

[5:01:52] Voice 11: when I can attend to be

[5:02:01] Voice 4: all those in favor those carries thank you so i wanted to rise to report that the

[5:02:11] Voice 4: local trust committee has appointed jack woodward george bouvier and katherine berger

[5:02:19] Voice 4: to serve on the thesis of variance for a three-year term starting april 20th 26 and ending

[5:02:26] Voice 4: April 20th 2029 and thank

[5:02:30] Voice 4: you everyone for attending today and with that all for a few

[5:02:34] Voice 4: minutes all those in favor

[5:02:35] Voice 5: we

[5:02:36] Voice 4: are gone one thing

[5:02:39] Voice 5: to note yes because the