Islands Trust Conservancy Board special meeting, April 23, 2026

[0:00:00] Trustee Maude (probable): Gary Ola, Local Trust Committee. I want to begin the meeting by acknowledging the opportunity to be able to gather David's vocations across Territory and Coast Salish people.

[0:00:08] Trustee Maude (probable): I'm David Maughan, in case you're curious. I'm from Main Island. I'll be chairing the meeting today.

[0:00:13] Trustee Maude (probable): Of course, Chair Patrick is under the weather, so she's asking to step in and chair this meeting.

[0:00:18] Trustee Maude (probable): I ask for patience and understanding if I err on something because I'm leaving for Gary Ola, although I did survive October, so I'll do our best.

[0:00:27] Trustee Maude (probable): So I'm joined here today by two trustees, we have Toby Elliott and Susan Yates.

[0:00:35] Trustee Maude (probable): Together, we make up the Gabriel O'Connor Trust Committee.

[0:00:38] Trustee Maude (probable): This meeting is being live streamed and recorded for those who are unable to attend the presentation.

[0:00:42] Trustee Maude (probable): Recording will be posted to the IELTS Trust website for future Q&A.

[0:00:45] Trustee Maude (probable): So we have some staff members joining us today.

[0:00:48] Trustee Maude (probable): We have Seth Bowe, who is our IELTS planner.

[0:00:50] Trustee Maude (probable): We have Larissa Chavik, who I don't know is she covering or she's also joining us online.

[0:00:57] Trustee Maude (probable): We have Joe Elliott, our Indigenous Relations Manager.

[0:01:01] Trustee Maude (probable): We have Lisa Millar, who is our Record Executory and Webmaster for the Zoom portion of the

[0:01:09] Trustee Maude (probable): meeting, which we really appreciate because there's lots of magic that happens there.

[0:01:13] Trustee Maude (probable): And the Zoom portion has not failed me, so much appreciated.

[0:01:16] Trustee Maude (probable): I would leave, I think that's it for staff today, we may have some other staff jumping

[0:01:25] Trustee Maude (probable): in online at greatest points, but okay, so there are some other that might be lurking

[0:01:30] Trustee Maude (probable): there for us.

[0:01:34] Trustee Maude (probable): So now I got some more stuff to read out.

[0:01:37] Trustee Maude (probable): So as chair and together with trustees, it's my responsibility to ensure that this meeting

[0:01:41] Trustee Maude (probable): being as respectful, inclusive, and culturally safe for all.

[0:01:45] Trustee Maude (probable): Trustees and all attendees,

[0:01:47] Trustee Maude (probable): including those who may be watching online.

[0:01:49] Trustee Maude (probable): This means firstly, that we will speak respectfully.

[0:01:52] Trustee Maude (probable): There's no place in this meeting for racism,

[0:01:54] Trustee Maude (probable): stereotype, or comments that target Indigenous peoples

[0:01:57] Trustee Maude (probable): or any other individuals or groups in our community.

[0:02:00] Trustee Maude (probable): Second, we will acknowledge concerns without causing harm.

[0:02:04] Trustee Maude (probable): Residents are entitled to ask questions,

[0:02:06] Trustee Maude (probable): express uncertainty.

[0:02:07] Trustee Maude (probable): Indigenous community members are equally entitled

[0:02:09] Trustee Maude (probable): sharing experiences and expectations and respectful partnerships both can occur here without harm

[0:02:15] Trustee Maude (probable): dismissal or targeting third we will uphold cultural safety we'll recognize how the processes

[0:02:22] Trustee Maude (probable): have not always felt safe or welcoming for indigenous people we are committed to doing

[0:02:27] Trustee Maude (probable): better that includes giving spaces to conditions voices being mindful how language affects people

[0:02:34] Trustee Maude (probable): and addressing harmful comments as they arise.

[0:02:38] Trustee Maude (probable): Fourth, we will keep the conversation constructive.

[0:02:41] Trustee Maude (probable): Each participant brings value and perspective,

[0:02:44] Trustee Maude (probable): lived experience and knowledge.

[0:02:46] Trustee Maude (probable): All voices deserve to be heard and heard respectfully.

[0:02:49] Trustee Maude (probable): Thank you, Ambassador, for helping create an environment

[0:02:51] Trustee Maude (probable): where all participants feel safe, valued,

[0:02:53] Trustee Maude (probable): and able to participate fully.

[0:02:57] Trustee Maude (probable): So that is the beginning.

[0:03:00] Trustee Maude (probable): So, of course, we have an agenda.

[0:03:02] Trustee Maude (probable): And does anybody have any additions for the trustees?

[0:03:08] Trustee Yates (probable): I think we both do, but maybe I'll go first.

[0:03:12] Trustee Yates (probable): I would like in new business to ask for some kind of educational webinar

[0:03:18] Trustee Yates (probable): for trustees and the public on the revived NAP IT tool,

[0:03:27] Trustee Yates (probable): which is wonderful to have it back.

[0:03:29] Trustee Yates (probable): I had to get a printed guide for it myself to try to figure out how to use it and I think it

[0:03:36] Trustee Yates (probable): would be so useful to have some kind of you know webinar or teaching session so at some point I'll

[0:03:43] Trustee Yates (probable): new business and

[0:03:44] Voice 5: another

[0:03:46] Trustee Yates (probable): thing I would like to ask if it comes to our official community plan

[0:03:51] Trustee Yates (probable): update because I think Marissa Chadwick will be joining us I just want to ask at that point

[0:03:57] Trustee Yates (probable): whether we would like to include the 2021 Green Reel and Enterprise Project final report in the OCP materials,

[0:04:08] Trustee Yates (probable): because I just have been introduced to it and find it very useful.

[0:04:14] Trustee Yates (probable): And then, I would also like to make a motion that is pursuant to the March 23rd special meeting

[0:04:27] Trustee Yates (probable): on the water sustain on the freshwater footprint that we had and so if I could do that in a new

[0:04:34] Trustee Yates (probable): business that would be difficult as well okay

[0:04:36] Voice 15: yes um thank you for

[0:04:45] Voice 16: one item that's um clarifying

[0:04:51] Voice 16: information sharing protocols with first nations application

[0:04:55] Voice 15: processors

[0:05:07] Trustee Maude (probable): anything else by general consent we can adopt the agenda as amended

[0:05:16] Voice 17: thank

[0:05:16] Trustee Maude (probable): you very much all right so before we're next up we have trustee reports who wishes to go first

[0:05:27] Voice 16: grab your coffee everybody it's a lot i

[0:05:31] Voice 17: can

[0:05:32] Trustee Yates (probable): go first and um it's a four-page report it's been

[0:05:36] Trustee Yates (probable): been a long time since our last local trust committee and as I have mentioned before we do

[0:05:41] Trustee Yates (probable): a lot between meetings and all of these activities were involved in some formal some less so they

[0:05:49] Trustee Yates (probable): inform what we do they inform how we make our decisions at the local trust so I try to put

[0:05:57] Trustee Yates (probable): mine in some sort of chronological order which I've done here and I will shorten it as best I

[0:06:02] Trustee Yates (probable): can. So first of all, I'm going to give a BC Ferries update because since the dissolution

[0:06:07] Trustee Yates (probable): of ferry advisory committees, the responsibilities for communicating to BC Ferries has fallen

[0:06:13] Trustee Yates (probable): directly on elected representatives and nobody else. So what I've been doing is working with

[0:06:19] Trustee Yates (probable): the Gabriel of Transportation Society, who also incorporates some of our former FAC members.

[0:06:26] Trustee Yates (probable): And the motto of Gabriel of Transportation Society is it thrives on the collective effort

[0:06:32] Trustee Yates (probable): of working together for the common good

[0:06:34] Trustee Yates (probable): your voice our mission so i'm good with that anyway um

[0:06:39] Trustee Yates (probable): letters sent out in february by the gabriela transportation society and most importantly

[0:06:45] Trustee Yates (probable): those that were signed in person by people on gabriela i think they did have an effect

[0:06:51] Trustee Yates (probable): regarding the minimum amount required for the experience card pop-ups so way to go gabriela

[0:06:57] Trustee Yates (probable): lot. On March 16th, I received a reply from CEO Nicolas Jimenez of BC Ferries, who has copied the

[0:07:06] Trustee Yates (probable): Gabriela Transportation Society, assuring us that they expect an update on the transport of

[0:07:11] Trustee Yates (probable): inoperable electric vehicles on the ferries very soon. On April 12th, Gabriela Transportation

[0:07:19] Trustee Yates (probable): Society met with, and I was there, met with BC Ferry and Marine Workers Union representatives,

[0:07:25] Trustee Yates (probable): Eric McNeely, Provincial President, and Captain Chris Klassen, Ships Officers Component President.

[0:07:32] Trustee Yates (probable): MLA Malcolmson was there, and our Regional Director Vanessa Craig was also there, and

[0:07:37] Trustee Yates (probable): 22 members of the public.

[0:07:40] Trustee Yates (probable): It was a very useful and inspiring meeting, and we forged collaboration on several fronts

[0:07:45] Trustee Yates (probable): with the union representatives.

[0:07:48] Trustee Yates (probable): They want to help us communicate with BC families on issues of public service.

[0:07:53] Trustee Yates (probable): And Captain Platson, who is well acquainted with all of the coastal routes, and he actually made a comment about the circus down at the Descanso Bay Ferry Terminal.

[0:08:05] Trustee Yates (probable): The fact that it's such a mess down there when the buses are there, the school bus, the dirty bus, public, people dropping off, picking up.

[0:08:13] Trustee Yates (probable): so discussion and presentation focused on the theme of reclaiming bc ferries as a public service

[0:08:21] Trustee Yates (probable): because public infrastructure works best when the people who rely on it have a voice in how it's run

[0:08:27] Trustee Yates (probable): so shortly after that meeting gabriel transportation society received a letter

[0:08:33] Trustee Yates (probable): from captain classen and eric mcneely thanking us for a thoughtful discussion and bringing people

[0:08:40] Trustee Yates (probable): together to hear directly from the community about fairy servants. They also

[0:08:44] Trustee Yates (probable): suggested connecting with the fairy authority and Claire Trevena, the

[0:08:49] Trustee Yates (probable): regional representative, and we hadn't thought of that before. On April 20th, I

[0:08:55] Trustee Yates (probable): guess that was last Monday, this past Monday, I met with two other members of

[0:09:00] Trustee Yates (probable): GTS in a telephone conversation with Evan Putterall, Area E Haida Gwaii

[0:09:06] Trustee Yates (probable): director for the North Coast Regional District. He has also been really active

[0:09:10] Trustee Yates (probable): in asking bc ferries for accountability to his constituents we share

[0:09:16] Trustee Yates (probable): common concerns we intend

[0:09:17] Trustee Yates (probable): to work together on any issues that affect all of us and that requires support from other communities

[0:09:25] Trustee Yates (probable): director federal also reminded us that we right now should be working together to push for better

[0:09:31] Trustee Yates (probable): community engagement and accountability because performance term eight is upcoming for bc ferries

[0:09:38] Trustee Yates (probable): and any public input relating to how BC Ferries is working for us

[0:09:42] Trustee Yates (probable): is really important right now.

[0:09:44] Trustee Yates (probable): And interestingly, that was also mentioned in January

[0:09:48] Trustee Yates (probable): at a meeting that I had with Mayor Andrew Leonard from Bowen Island.

[0:09:51] Trustee Yates (probable): And he has also been very active in

[0:09:54] Voice 17: communicating

[0:09:56] Trustee Yates (probable): with BC Ferries.

[0:09:57] Trustee Yates (probable): So enough of ferries.

[0:10:00] Trustee Yates (probable): On to other stuff.

[0:10:01] Trustee Yates (probable): March 4th, I attended the Islands Trust Stewardship Educational Webinar.

[0:10:06] Trustee Yates (probable): these webinars are so good this one was working towards a fallow deer strategy for the southern

[0:10:14] Trustee Yates (probable): gulf islands and the presenters were a startling elder carl olson who's a knowledge holder with

[0:10:21] Trustee Yates (probable): sanic leadership council and hereditary chief of skatak main island your territory too

[0:10:27] Trustee Yates (probable): rob underhill registered professional biologist with main island conservancy

[0:10:32] Trustee Yates (probable): Mike Jansen with Parks Canada, and farmer Peter Robinson on Main Island, and trustee, your fellow

[0:10:38] Trustee Yates (probable): trustee, Janine Dodds. And I think you were on Denman at that time, otherwise you would have

[0:10:43] Trustee Yates (probable): been there too. So I'm well acquainted with this fallow deer problem because I remember when it

[0:10:49] Trustee Yates (probable): first started back in 1988. The Minister of Environment and Agriculture made a huge mistake

[0:10:55] Trustee Yates (probable): in issuing the permit to introduce this European species to a small island.

[0:11:01] Trustee Yates (probable): They have obliterated the forest understory and the tree vegetation

[0:11:06] Trustee Yates (probable): and the grades on farmland.

[0:11:08] Trustee Yates (probable): They cause enormous loss to farmers in fields and orchards.

[0:11:13] Trustee Yates (probable): And, of course, invasive species then move in very quickly.

[0:11:17] Trustee Yates (probable): Daphne, broom, holly, tansyberry, wood.

[0:11:20] Trustee Yates (probable): So a dramatic decrease also in biodiversity

[0:11:23] Trustee Yates (probable): diversity, includes the loss of plant, insect, bird, amphibian, and mammal species. Fencing

[0:11:30] Trustee Yates (probable): doesn't work, similar to, you know, our native deer, the coastal blacktail. Fencing is not that

[0:11:36] Trustee Yates (probable): effective. We know from the presenters at this webinar that a really good approach requires

[0:11:43] Trustee Yates (probable): careful management, collaborating with farmers, and particularly with First Nations, to get the

[0:11:49] Trustee Yates (probable): the best hunters and then with residents to educate them regarding the environmental travesty

[0:11:55] Trustee Yates (probable): of importing a large ungulate species like fallow deer. So many of the things we talked about in

[0:12:02] Trustee Yates (probable): this webinar also pertain to our local black-tailed deer, the way that they have just

[0:12:08] Trustee Yates (probable): devastated the understory in our coastal Douglas herd forests. Interestingly, starving fallow deer

[0:12:15] Trustee Yates (probable): deer still get pregnant, unlike native deer who don't usually produce twins

[0:12:20] Voice 17: when they're

[0:12:22] Trustee Yates (probable): starving. For the area the size of Main Island, a population of approximately 200 native deer

[0:12:30] Trustee Yates (probable): is okay. Right now, it is at 5,200. So you can just imagine what that looks like. So

[0:12:40] Trustee Yates (probable): that was really good. The next webinar I attended was not sponsored by Islands Trust, but it

[0:12:46] Trustee Yates (probable): It was a collective for parks, conservation, innovation, and leadership, known as CPCIL,

[0:12:54] Trustee Yates (probable): and Canadian Parks and Wilderness Society, sometimes called CIPAS.

[0:12:59] Trustee Yates (probable): And the guest speaker was Jason Wong, and the topic was economic, environmental, and

[0:13:05] Trustee Yates (probable): health benefits of Canada's protected and conserved areas.

[0:13:09] Trustee Yates (probable): And there were about 400 participants across Canada.

[0:13:13] Trustee Yates (probable): done. Some of them are recognized from the Island's Trust. It was a brilliant presentation.

[0:13:20] Trustee Yates (probable): The theme was Canada's protected area widely enjoyed but highly undervalued. So really the

[0:13:28] Trustee Yates (probable): theme was what does nature worth? The long-term benefits for human health, ecosystem support,

[0:13:33] Trustee Yates (probable): cultural value, biodiversity. Why do we always consider conservation a trade-off when in fact

[0:13:40] Trustee Yates (probable): it is a huge contributor to our country's wealth and well-being and all of those benefits grow over

[0:13:46] Trustee Yates (probable): time carbon storage in protected areas it's estimated to be in canada 51 trillion dollars

[0:13:55] Trustee Yates (probable): worth of cost ecosystem services include drought fire and flood mitigation insurance costs are

[0:14:04] Trustee Yates (probable): lessened. Mental and physical health benefits are improved. And learning to use nature-based

[0:14:12] Trustee Yates (probable): climate solutions is essential. All this should be included in the balance sheets.

[0:14:17] Trustee Yates (probable): And another thing that came out of this was collaboration is the key for success of protected

[0:14:24] Trustee Yates (probable): areas. Working to create more of them in concert with government and particularly with First

[0:14:31] Trustee Yates (probable): nations and with nonprofits all working to realize full cost accounting okay about that one next one

[0:14:42] Trustee Yates (probable): was our meeting with dr tara martin my fellow trustee toby elliott was there with me and our

[0:14:48] Trustee Yates (probable): usual chair laura patrick is also there it was a zoom meeting tara martin uh is the um the team

[0:14:56] Trustee Yates (probable): lead for the forest first for the conservation decisions lab faculty of forestry and conservation

[0:15:02] Trustee Yates (probable): at UBC. And I've known about her work for a long time. I've seen it on Salt Spring. It's amazing.

[0:15:09] Trustee Yates (probable): She works closely with First Nations, and she incorporates place-based knowledge in their work.

[0:15:16] Trustee Yates (probable): And her students have studied the cumulative effects of climate change, human development,

[0:15:22] Trustee Yates (probable): deer browsing, overabundant Canada geese, and those kinds of things. And her students can take

[0:15:29] Trustee Yates (probable): on ecology projects for their dissertation work also as co-op students that is they can work with

[0:15:35] Trustee Yates (probable): the islands trust and on projects which could be very helpful and we brought a motion to march

[0:15:42] Trustee Yates (probable): council i think on this very topic so we'll be looking at that back to traffic uh march 13th

[0:15:51] Trustee Yates (probable): i had a meeting at the ferry terminal that was organized by our mla sheila malcolmson

[0:15:57] Trustee Yates (probable): and Regional Director Vanessa Cray was also there.

[0:16:01] Trustee Yates (probable): Ministry of Transport Nikki Schneider was there.

[0:16:04] Trustee Yates (probable): Gabriel Transportation Director Stephen Earle was there

[0:16:07] Trustee Yates (probable): and Regional District Staff Ricardo Tavello was there

[0:16:11] Trustee Yates (probable): and Rick Dakin from Parks.

[0:16:13] Trustee Yates (probable): This huge meeting of all these elected representatives

[0:16:16] Trustee Yates (probable): and staff people was simply to talk about crosswalk

[0:16:20] Trustee Yates (probable): down at the ferry terminal,

[0:16:22] Trustee Yates (probable): but again, the crosswalk where we desperately need it.

[0:16:25] Trustee Yates (probable): and the reason they haven't put one in so far is because as Mott staff pointed out

[0:16:34] Trustee Yates (probable): if we put a crosswalk at the ferry terminal it goes to nowhere it goes across the road to

[0:16:40] Trustee Yates (probable): there isn't a path so of course the path has to be there at some point the path is being worked on

[0:16:46] Trustee Yates (probable): anyway I felt like it was just a huge meeting for such a tiny little request

[0:16:52] Trustee Yates (probable): West, and we are still working on it. March 17th, on the Trust Conservancy meeting, my fellow

[0:16:59] Trustee Yates (probable): trustee Toby Elliott was there with me. There was a really good presentation on the Species at Risk

[0:17:05] Trustee Yates (probable): Program and the work that leads to land securement and stewardship of critical habitat necessary for

[0:17:11] Trustee Yates (probable): the survival and the recovery of species. The Species at Risk Program has traditionally relied

[0:17:18] Trustee Yates (probable): on grant funding, and that has now come to an end.

[0:17:20] Trustee Yates (probable): It needs to be included in long-term planning

[0:17:24] Trustee Yates (probable): for the Island-East Channel Conservancy.

[0:17:26] Trustee Yates (probable): It is an essential component

[0:17:28] Trustee Yates (probable): of the Conservancy's five-year plan

[0:17:30] Trustee Yates (probable): and the regional conservation plan.

[0:17:34] Trustee Yates (probable): The success of Species at Risk over the past six years

[0:17:38] Trustee Yates (probable): is significant.

[0:17:39] Trustee Yates (probable): It has built staff expertise,

[0:17:42] Trustee Yates (probable): it's developed important partnership,

[0:17:44] Trustee Yates (probable): enhanced critical habitat,

[0:17:46] Trustee Yates (probable): and it has encouraged landowners to do the same.

[0:17:49] Trustee Yates (probable): as well as documenting critical habitat gains and losses. This particular meeting also included a

[0:17:56] Trustee Yates (probable): discussion on the use of artificial intelligence, leading to a further discussion at Trust Council.

[0:18:02] Trustee Yates (probable): It also confirmed that an amazing $1 million donation for the Islands Trans-Conservancy

[0:18:08] Trustee Yates (probable): Opportunity Fund, which was last year, is now invested in a fossil-free high-interest fund,

[0:18:16] Trustee Yates (probable): and that will enhance the work that the Conservancy does

[0:18:19] Trustee Yates (probable): with other local conservation bodies.

[0:18:22] Trustee Yates (probable): So it's like the money is enhanced because of the connections.

[0:18:28] Trustee Yates (probable): The last meeting to report on is April 15th,

[0:18:32] Trustee Yates (probable): Islands Trust Conservancy and Executive Committee meeting.

[0:18:36] Trustee Yates (probable): We met to discuss the five-year plan update for the Conservancy.

[0:18:41] Trustee Yates (probable): All First Nations have been contacted in January

[0:18:44] Trustee Yates (probable): for their sustained involvement as conservation partners.

[0:18:48] Trustee Yates (probable): And this will guide how we approach land acquisition, stewardship,

[0:18:51] Trustee Yates (probable): partnerships, and fund management.

[0:18:54] Trustee Yates (probable): We talked about Islands Trust Conservancy growth, landholding policies.

[0:18:59] Trustee Yates (probable): We need to support broader conservation goals.

[0:19:02] Trustee Yates (probable): The province says 30% by 2030, but we are nowhere near there.

[0:19:08] Trustee Yates (probable): And then at the end of the meeting, I brought up again my desire

[0:19:11] Trustee Yates (probable): to see full cost accounting for the conservation of land and water and its long-term effects on

[0:19:18] Trustee Yates (probable): social economic health and environmental benefits that are just not always accounted for. In

[0:19:24] Trustee Yates (probable): particular, the thousands of dollars, millions of dollars saved in climate mitigation with

[0:19:31] Trustee Yates (probable): conservation work. So that's it for my report. Thank you for your patience. Thank you, Trustee

[0:19:39] Trustee Maude (probable): Thank

[0:19:40] Voice 16: you. I will try to be succinct. It was Earth Day yesterday, as we all know, and so

[0:19:49] Voice 16: I planted flowers and sunflowers for the bees and pollinators on the farm that I live on.

[0:19:55] Voice 16: And I just want to acknowledge all the hardworking, caring, and compassionate volunteers and community

[0:20:02] Voice 16: members in this community, especially GALT, the work that you do in your invasive management

[0:20:07] Voice 16: management and encouraging stewardship, cleaning up roadsides, maintaining trails, creating

[0:20:14] Voice 16: restoring habitat, advocating and rehabilitating wildlife areas, the myriad ways that you are

[0:20:21] Voice 16: helping sustain the natural life here in the biodiversity.

[0:20:26] Voice 16: So thank you to everybody in this community.

[0:20:28] Voice 16: I just want to acknowledge the work that you do with this theme.

[0:20:32] Voice 16: So at some key meetings I've attended, as you know, I'm a member of the executive committee.

[0:20:36] Voice 16: I won't go into the details, there's two meetings since we last reported out, but a key of interest

[0:20:46] Voice 16: may be the legislative monitoring report will be coming back to this June quarterly.

[0:20:51] Voice 16: It's always an extensive report of what updates of legislation throughout BC.

[0:20:58] Voice 16: It's a lot of work for staff, so it's not always a given that it will be on our quarterly

[0:21:03] Voice 16: agenda.

[0:21:03] Voice 16: there are three significant bills that affect the trust bill 17 the code of conduct

[0:21:10] Voice 16: bill 18 parental leave and bill 20 the komox treaty so we get in that report at a june trust

[0:21:18] Voice 16: council meeting and also trust area services are working on developing that protocol agreement

[0:21:24] Voice 16: with say out and start first nations can you speak up a bit thanks sure trust area services

[0:21:30] Voice 16: I reported that the work is going well in developing protocol agreements with SAOC and

[0:21:37] Voice 16: SARLIC First Nations with the St. Nick's Leadership Council.

[0:21:42] Voice 16: The Executive Committee invited a presentation to GeoTrust Council on the Coastal Marine

[0:21:47] Voice 16: Strategy to consider recommending an advocacy position.

[0:21:52] Voice 16: There has been work in the past that Agnes Trust has advocated on this topic, specifically

[0:21:58] Voice 16: about preventing polystyrene pollution in the marine environment and the province is looking

[0:22:04] Voice 16: to see what it can do on that and there should be a provincial webinar I haven't seen it yet

[0:22:09] Voice 16: for local governments on the implementation of the coastal marine strategy so I'm glad to see

[0:22:15] Voice 16: that work is progressing and then also discussed was uh there will be a realtor's education program

[0:22:21] Voice 16: program. Some of you may know that these stewardship webinars for this fiscal are not

[0:22:28] Voice 16: funded but there is planned a Realtors Education webinar or workshop rather for Realtors in the

[0:22:36] Voice 16: Trust Area with archaeology experts, an update on our mapping map it tool and how to use it which

[0:22:44] Voice 16: has been very useful for everybody who works in the Trust Area and the updates to the living

[0:22:50] Voice 16: living in the trust area information that'll be sometime between may and september i don't think

[0:22:55] Voice 16: it's going to be open to the public but trustees can attend excellent um so yes uh i won't report

[0:23:03] Voice 16: on our june or sorry march trust council quarterly meeting was posted on cowichan tribes territory

[0:23:09] Voice 16: we were welcomed by chief cindy daniels and uh and we were able to meet at the cowichan heritage

[0:23:16] Voice 16: It was really wonderful to be in that very special place by the river with incredible timbers.

[0:23:25] Voice 16: It felt like being embraced by the trees. It's so special.

[0:23:29] Voice 16: Thanks for summarizing the Species at Risk presentation.

[0:23:32] Voice 16: I encourage people to watch that.

[0:23:35] Voice 16: As you might know, Islands Trust Council did not fund the biologists on staff going forward.

[0:23:44] Voice 16: so that planning services biologists did report out on the work that's been done

[0:23:48] Voice 16: and you'll see that some of that evidence about work in our agenda today and

[0:23:52] Voice 16: the applications that we're reviewing. We heard on about the Indigenous Relations Action Plan

[0:24:02] Voice 16: which will be active for 2026 to 2028. Council endorsed the direction of the new draft plan,

[0:24:08] Voice 16: requested staff to undertake more internal engagement and return revised

[0:24:13] Voice 16: version to US Council for approval in June 2026 and you'll know we approved a

[0:24:19] Voice 16: budget mandatory every year we have to approve a budget and it does keep

[0:24:25] Voice 16: growing I've written some of my views on the topic so if you want to hear those

[0:24:32] Voice 16: just get in touch and I can send you links to why it's growing but what we

[0:24:37] Voice 16: might be able to do to um better strata undertake a better strategy for supporting the trust area

[0:24:43] Voice 16: work so it's not only on local taxpayers that's something i'm keenly interested in uh policy

[0:24:49] Voice 16: statement work staff advised the draft policy statement by law 183 which received first reading

[0:24:55] Voice 16: in june 2025 will not likely progress uh and conclude before the end of this term

[0:25:01] Voice 16: there was lots of feedback from our communities thank you everybody for your feedback here

[0:25:07] Voice 16: and so basically if council chooses to amend the drafted policies and alter them significantly

[0:25:14] Voice 16: that would require going returning to nations that have given comments and explaining why

[0:25:22] Voice 16: change was made or getting more input and so that puts the timeline pretty far out so we are

[0:25:28] Voice 16: are expecting a What We Heard report in May.

[0:25:33] Voice 16: We've got a committee that will meet in May 13th.

[0:25:35] Voice 16: So if folks want to tune in for that one, of course,

[0:25:38] Voice 16: all of our meetings are open.

[0:25:41] Voice 16: And at the end, council requested the chair

[0:25:44] Voice 16: on behalf of Violence Trust to join the call

[0:25:48] Voice 16: to the premier and the provincial government,

[0:25:50] Voice 16: along with at the time 130 civil leaders

[0:25:53] Voice 16: to uphold human rights and commit to BRCA.

[0:25:56] Voice 16: and the quote, I think in a newspaper was,

[0:26:00] Voice 16: we stand with Indigenous peoples in BC,

[0:26:03] Voice 16: call on Iwi and his government to reconvene

[0:26:05] Voice 16: to meaningful implementation of the UN Declaration,

[0:26:08] Voice 16: the BC Declaration Act,

[0:26:09] Voice 16: and not to amend the Declaration Act or the Interpretation Act.

[0:26:13] Voice 16: So it was a decision of council

[0:26:14] Voice 16: and the chair joined many other civic leaders in BC.

[0:26:19] Voice 16: I'm sure many of you have heard the news

[0:26:21] Voice 16: that there is not an intent to amend the Declaration Act.

[0:26:26] Voice 16: this term, this legislative session. At our ITC board meeting, Conservancy board meeting,

[0:26:33] Voice 16: we are discussing jointly with executive committee, a long term strategy to sustainably

[0:26:41] Voice 16: fund the Conservancy has been attracting more donor attention. Many people want to put covenants

[0:26:47] Voice 16: on their land and protect biodiversity. And that's absolutely wonderful. But with more growth comes

[0:26:52] Voice 16: greater operational and management requirements. So as we grow in complexity, we need to undertake

[0:26:59] Voice 16: a strategy for the long-term sustainability of that incredible program. I also wanted to

[0:27:07] Voice 16: highlight on March 19th, I don't know how many watch Bowen Island Municipalities

[0:27:13] Voice 16: meetings, but there was an incredible biodiversity plan presentation with new biodiversity tools

[0:27:22] Voice 16: tools that I encourage people to take a look at March 19th all of their meetings are hosted on

[0:27:29] Voice 16: YouTube the integrated conservation values that were identified using a spatial conservation

[0:27:36] Voice 16: prioritization tool combining all species habitat and intactness layers to identify where biodiversity

[0:27:43] Voice 16: is highest where conservation efforts will have the greatest impact and so that council gave

[0:27:50] Voice 16: direction to ask for the attached conservation values map to be incorporated into their OCP

[0:27:55] Voice 16: because they're going through an OCP review as well. Apparently this tool can be applied to other

[0:27:59] Voice 16: islands and all the data is saved in open source format so others can access so I think this could

[0:28:08] Voice 16: be useful. It was a non-profit, it was the Bowen Conservancy that presented this and did this work.

[0:28:13] Voice 16: uh march 31st um i attended a wonderful panel presentation here on gabriola

[0:28:21] Voice 16: of voices of courage women standing against hate that was sponsored by breaking panic on gabriola

[0:28:28] Voice 16: and i just want to commend people doing this programming creating long-lasting connections

[0:28:33] Voice 16: between gabriola and standing up for station and really just we're encouraging a collective

[0:28:41] Voice 16: collective approach to how we can support continued relationship and respect between

[0:28:49] Voice 16: our bodies and communities.

[0:28:53] Voice 22: Today

[0:28:54] Voice 16: is the last day for updates on the Heritage Conservation Act transformation project.

[0:29:01] Voice 16: Local governments and affected parties are giving their input and feedback on the new

[0:29:10] Voice 16: technical paper so the transformation project is advancing there are some aspects that due to

[0:29:15] Voice 16: public feedback they're changing and so a new technical paper was produced and those who've

[0:29:22] Voice 16: been following Islands Trust executive committee asked our services department to respond on behalf

[0:29:29] Voice 16: of Islands Trust and they just saw that this morning so that was really wonderful. April 2nd

[0:29:35] Voice 16: participated in the cycling tourism event here on gabriola uh there was four wonderful presenters

[0:29:43] Voice 16: and a little mini doc premiere about south pender's successful advocacy to see the start of

[0:29:50] Voice 16: its cycle path um phase one it's been about a two million dollar funded project and i think of

[0:29:57] Voice 16: of interest there is because

[0:30:00] Voice 16: transportation is so challenging and multi-jurisdictional just like learning

[0:30:04] Voice 16: environments they funded a coordinator to go between all the different bodies and really

[0:30:11] Voice 16: hold that project and that's what caused it to to really see success so i know that active

[0:30:17] Voice 16: transportation is still um and there's actually a resolution coming to avicc about that so i'll

[0:30:24] Voice 16: oh gosh this is a

[0:30:25] Trustee Yates (probable): long report trustee elliot i'd just like to note there that was an amazing

[0:30:29] Trustee Yates (probable): session yeah i was there too so was director craig and she heard every little bit about how

[0:30:36] Trustee Yates (probable): the community can do it how the community can do it yeah just let us do it she heard that yeah

[0:30:43] Voice 16: well it takes a lot of willpower but you need that focused person who is just going to keep

[0:30:51] Voice 16: so yeah it was really good um thank you to bruce bachelor and others for organizing that

[0:30:57] Voice 16: um there was an av there was a webinar on uh modern treaties put on by avicc

[0:31:03] Voice 16: um so i watched that um i've learned a lot learning a lot about treaties in bc

[0:31:09] Voice 16: um i was invited on april 15th fairly recently i'm almost through the list

[0:31:14] Voice 16: to go to salt spring island um there's a documentary a fairly new one called 9-11

[0:31:22] Voice 16: reclaiming ground zero uh it's not about 9-11 itself but about the events afterwards and the

[0:31:29] Voice 16: public process they undertook because everybody felt very strongly about what's to be rebuilt on

[0:31:34] Voice 16: the footprint of the twin towers and there's lots of you know push and pull um but they really

[0:31:39] Voice 16: wanted a public process and it was a very innovative civic democratic process uh in which

[0:31:46] Voice 16: there was you know the intent was to find common ground in a divided world and that was

[0:31:51] Voice 16: sort of why salt spring was talking about it they wanted to talk about civic processes so

[0:31:56] Voice 16: i spoke on a panel with a woman who's featured in the documentary as well as a local woman and

[0:32:04] Voice 16: it was it was wonderful to meet some activists and promoters of good civic process uh and then

[0:32:12] Voice 16: also because I was there I um I participated in the Ganges Carver workshop and I have learned a

[0:32:18] Voice 16: lot about um water management in the meantime I sort of got myself stuck into creating the

[0:32:26] Voice 16: stakeholder map it is so complicated we have everything from RCMP to um you know federal

[0:32:33] Voice 16: provincial, our government, CRD, First Nations,

[0:32:38] Voice 16: Penelope tribe members were there,

[0:32:39] Voice 16: and really how do we coordinate sort of a management plan

[0:32:43] Voice 16: for Ganges Harbor, including liveaboards and services and water.

[0:32:49] Voice 16: There's been a lot of conflict there.

[0:32:50] Voice 16: So I'm just sort of at arm's length by trying to help a little bit

[0:32:54] Voice 16: with organizing information.

[0:32:56] Voice 16: Just wanted to advise them for an upcoming workshop,

[0:32:58] Voice 16: workshop, again, sponsored by Breaking Bannock, with Elder Satasya Geraldine Manson on Sinema

[0:33:07] Voice 16: Protocols. That's going to be happening here in Gabriela, April 25th. I encourage everyone to

[0:33:13] Voice 16: attend. What are Sinema Protocols? What are Sinema Samwaya? And as we all know, Geraldine Manson is

[0:33:22] Voice 16: is just a wonderful teacher and sharing her knowledge.

[0:33:28] Voice 16: It really helps us understand how to do our work

[0:33:30] Voice 16: in a good way.

[0:33:31] Voice 16: I think it's 1 p.m. in the community hall.

[0:33:36] Voice 16: Check breakingmanic.com, I believe.

[0:33:40] Voice 16: I think it's in the news.

[0:33:40] Voice 16: Go watch it, yeah.

[0:33:41] Voice 16: We

[0:33:42] Voice 14: can't see it.

[0:33:43] Voice 16: Excellent.

[0:33:46] Voice 16: So sort of on that note of working in a good way,

[0:33:50] Voice 16: um i was able to attend the final workshop on responding to indigenous specific racism

[0:33:54] Voice 16: which we have been holding an island's trust um because issues have been coming up in community

[0:34:00] Voice 16: about uh that directly or indirectly target indigenous people or intentions and so it's not

[0:34:10] Voice 16: just here but there are some things that are here that are harmful and so i wanted to just

[0:34:16] Voice 16: I was watching the public hearing last night on the cable day resigning of Nanaimo and it's been

[0:34:25] Voice 16: going on for two days almost over a week and many of you attended I know that and I was struck by

[0:34:31] Voice 16: three things I was like every single person here speaking all of them supposed but they feel

[0:34:38] Voice 16: passionately about it they feel very strongly about it from the nine-year-old who's talking

[0:34:43] Voice 16: about the trees that he loves to the professional forester and the trail maker but they all spoke

[0:34:50] Voice 16: respectfully they all spoke within three minutes and they they knew that they would be heard

[0:34:57] Voice 16: and I think maybe we can do some work here that we have some ways to go here in our community with

[0:35:04] Voice 16: civil discourse on my part we need to show that we are listening we hear you and I think when

[0:35:11] Voice 16: When people feel they're heard, you know, the evocation is calm.

[0:35:16] Voice 16: But if we can encourage and maintain civil discourse and mutual respect, we will get much better quality of work done because we need your voices.

[0:35:26] Voice 16: So it's kind of like a contract. Public needs to share your views.

[0:35:30] Voice 16: And I know I'm straying outside of my report. Tell this body what's important to you.

[0:35:34] Voice 16: our job is to listen and hear when we undertake all that information to lead better decision

[0:35:41] Voice 16: making it's never going to be perfect but that is the process but i encourage people to listen to

[0:35:46] Voice 16: city of nanaimo's public hearings because it was i was like oh kind of different from some

[0:35:52] Voice 16: of our meetings have gone away um so yes you mentioned okay i have so much more um eelgrass

[0:36:00] Voice 16: mapping map it um i'll go very quickly into this because some and this comes from my work on

[0:36:07] Voice 16: regional planning committee people are asking if the trust is still doing eelgrass mapping

[0:36:13] Voice 16: uh the last mapping phase we had is from 2016 it's out of date there was an initial phase of

[0:36:22] Voice 16: updated mapping done in 2021 we needed a phase two confirmation like towing a boat alongside

[0:36:28] Voice 16: side and that was going to be money that RPC didn't think you could spend because there are

[0:36:32] Voice 16: other bodies doing this work. So just of interest to those of you there is a new federal program

[0:36:39] Voice 16: called the Hatfield Fieldgrass Explorer. I think only other governments and non-profits can get

[0:36:46] Voice 16: information from it but that is a fieldgrass specifically and our online mapping system has

[0:36:53] Voice 16: two different ecosystem layers shown coastline type or shoreline type as well as several others

[0:36:58] Voice 16: marine ecosystem data and also you might want to check out sea change shore zone has mapping

[0:37:05] Voice 16: of all the southern Gulf Islands and video including eel black grass layers

[0:37:12] Voice 16: um sort of on the marine front uh and it might be of interest on February 9th uh which I chair

[0:37:19] Voice 16: Laskiti's local trust committee with a great presentation from the BC Marine Trails folks.

[0:37:25] Voice 16: Their mission is to work with those nations and stakeholders to build, protect and promote a

[0:37:30] Voice 16: public network of marine trails. So that's safe places to kayak to and land public access for

[0:37:38] Voice 16: recreational navigation of the whole BC coastline. So that would be of interest. And finally,

[0:37:44] Voice 16: community stewardship nominations are open still until april 26th so that's three days away if you

[0:37:54] Voice 16: know someone making a meaningful contribution to environmental stewardship conservation or

[0:37:59] Voice 16: community initiatives that support the island's trust mandate please consider some of the

[0:38:03] Voice 16: nominations so just keep putting that out there um finally i am going to abncc along with my

[0:38:13] Voice 16: my co-vice chairs and our chair Laura Patrick and our CEO so AVICC is the Association of Vancouver

[0:38:20] Voice 16: Island Coastal Communities it is the hub our regional hub for UPCM reunion of BC municipalities

[0:38:26] Voice 16: and this is the important place where we do all the advocacy and lobbying resolutions please do

[0:38:31] Voice 16: this to other levels of government but this weekend I wanted to mention a few key resolutions

[0:38:37] Voice 16: resolutions um that are of interest the resolutions book is open to the public of course

[0:38:44] Voice 16: um resolution eight from the nine regional district scaling building code requirements

[0:38:50] Voice 16: so this has to do with actually the small homes that are about a thousand square feet

[0:38:59] Voice 16: that whether the building of the province could undertake a cost benefit review of the building

[0:39:05] Voice 16: codes impacts on affordability safety and energy efficiency for single-story residential homes

[0:39:11] Voice 16: and accessory buildings under a thousand square feet and investigate a simplified rural building

[0:39:18] Voice 16: standard slash alternative compliance pathway for small homes under a thousand square feet

[0:39:23] Voice 16: so this is kind of i might have come out of the technical panel or the working group on tiny homes

[0:39:29] Voice 16: But the province's own reporting has found that it's counterproductive when you're requiring seismic efficiency for a certain size of homes at some point, the net benefit of, you know, the seismic is just redundant because you're overbuilding for a smaller unit.

[0:39:48] Voice 16: So this is their initiative. I'm really interested to see how that goes.

[0:39:52] Voice 16: Coast. There's from the Cowichan Valley Regional District, the administration of BC's private

[0:39:57] Voice 16: managed forest land program. They are calling for a different legislative regulatory and

[0:40:06] Voice 16: administrative reform to protect water, fish habitat and community confidence. Banning

[0:40:12] Voice 16: raw log exports to ensure forests harvested in BC are processed in BC. That is also from

[0:40:19] Voice 16: Regional District of Nanaimo. Community Supported Agriculture Incentive Program

[0:40:26] Voice 16: also from Nanaimo. They are doing all the best resolutions. Active

[0:40:31] Voice 16: Transportation as a core ministry priority from Comox Valley Regional

[0:40:36] Voice 16: District. Inter-regional Transit from Comox Valley. Small Craft Harbour

[0:40:41] Voice 16: Management and Divestiture North Coast. This is a trust-only resolution

[0:40:47] Voice 16: that we're participating in it's a joint resolution with strap kona and cassette regional

[0:40:52] Voice 16: district so basically the federal government is has been trying to divest itself of small

[0:40:59] Voice 16: craft harbors and so for boat only islands and areas um to have a local improvement district

[0:41:08] Voice 16: regional district take on that responsibility is a huge burden and so we're asking that they stop

[0:41:15] Voice 16: divesting the federal government of downloading that to municipal government. So that's Islands

[0:41:22] Voice 16: Trust's joint. Okay, there's other updates. Federal Government of Canada has introduced

[0:41:29] Voice 16: a new southern resident killer whale approach distance for 2026. Beginning June 1st, 2026,

[0:41:37] Voice 16: under Transport Canada's interim order, all vessels including motorized and human-powered

[0:41:41] Voice 16: must stay 1 000 meters away from southern resident killer whales very good news um and then

[0:41:50] Voice 16: provincially the province ended its prohibition restricting the submission of private large

[0:41:55] Voice 16: applications in the southern gulf islands and southeast vancouver island not sure it

[0:41:59] Voice 16: affects us here but it certainly will down south finally uh abscc in general advocacy so the

[0:42:11] Voice 16: The president's report says that advocacy surveys in 2024 and 2025,

[0:42:16] Voice 16: so it's all the local governments saying what is important to us to advocate for,

[0:42:19] Voice 16: identified watershed security as a living regional priority.

[0:42:24] Voice 16: So executive members met with Minister of Water, Lands and Resource Stewardship in 2024,

[0:42:29] Voice 16: Minister of Forests in 2025 to highlight the importance of watershed security in land conservation.

[0:42:33] Voice 16: so that's if there's if folks want to take a look at the resolutions book um as well as

[0:42:41] Voice 16: and direct any questions to your executive committee members myself we are there to

[0:42:49] Voice 16: advocate for the trust area interests and to make sure that our voice is heard um so there's a lot

[0:42:56] Voice 16: of inter-jurisdictional challenges especially with water forests marine areas and you have to work

[0:43:02] Voice 16: together on a concerted approach so that's this weekend i think that's it and we also get to vote

[0:43:10] Voice 16: that's

[0:43:11] Trustee Yates (probable): it well i just want to say thank you so much to my fellow

[0:43:15] Trustee Yates (probable): track leads both of you uh because you're on the executive and because you do attend these

[0:43:20] Trustee Yates (probable): important meetings of collaboration and advocacy you attend abicc as well as ubcm

[0:43:27] Trustee Yates (probable): and I really appreciate all of the hard work you put into those meetings and the reports that you

[0:43:33] Trustee Yates (probable): bring back because so much of the work we do requires advocacy and collaboration from other

[0:43:41] Trustee Yates (probable): agencies so thank you it's worth every minute the other thing I thought I should maybe mention is

[0:43:50] Trustee Yates (probable): that i know for the heritage conservation act um submissions

[0:43:53] Trustee Yates (probable): one of the uh our other vice chair

[0:43:57] Trustee Yates (probable): timothy peterson from the city island he submitted a really good letter and he sent it to me because

[0:44:04] Trustee Yates (probable): he knows that i also was concerned about the same issues and my deadlines tomorrow and i'm going to

[0:44:09] Trustee Yates (probable): send mine tonight thank you yeah thank you and thank you also for reminding us that organizations

[0:44:17] Trustee Yates (probable): nations like the gabriel lands and trails trust really make earth day mean well on this island

[0:44:24] Trustee Yates (probable): thank you okay

[0:44:26] Trustee Maude (probable): thank you trust me i'll be briefed her um just following up um trustee ace um

[0:44:35] Trustee Maude (probable): wonderful commentary about the palo verde on main island um just to be clear it's not a main island

[0:44:41] Trustee Maude (probable): an issue. It's right now, the following year, found on Curlew, Stewart, Saterna, North Tender,

[0:44:48] Trustee Maude (probable): and relevant to Galeano Island. They are spreading. There's an urban myth that they

[0:44:59] Trustee Maude (probable): don't swim. They do. I'm sure that all of you know the active waters of Active Pass,

[0:45:06] Trustee Maude (probable): and the majority of the animals that left Maine have actually gone across Active Pass

[0:45:11] Trustee Maude (probable): to Galliano. So you can imagine in the coming years it's not much of a stretch

[0:45:17] Trustee Maude (probable): to say Galliano or Gavirola. So this is an Islands Trust wide issue. It's very

[0:45:23] Trustee Maude (probable): very important. They are devastating. They are, they are, they populate just like

[0:45:31] Trustee Maude (probable): rabbits. Typically speaking they have twins every year. Most years with winter

[0:45:37] Trustee Maude (probable): you see a dialogue this year was so mild um and it's if you do the biological math

[0:45:48] Trustee Maude (probable): the population almost doubles every year um so

[0:45:52] Trustee Yates (probable): that's how you got up to five thousand two hundred

[0:45:54] Trustee Yates (probable): yeah

[0:45:54] Trustee Maude (probable): like i said like we like the escapees from the farm were 35 um and that was in the early

[0:46:02] Trustee Maude (probable): 90s. We're now over 5,000 on the main island. And as Jesse Yates noted, the biologists say that the

[0:46:09] Trustee Maude (probable): ecosystem can support approximately 10 deer per square kilometer. We're 23 and a half square

[0:46:15] Trustee Maude (probable): kilometers. That's 235 deer. How are black deers that the ecosystem can support? We're past that.

[0:46:23] Trustee Maude (probable): It's just, it's horrible. That's my relevance for the deer issue.

[0:46:32] Trustee Maude (probable): a fellow trustee sort of stole all my executive thunder which is perfectly fine um i guess the

[0:46:39] Trustee Maude (probable): two things is yes we got our budget adopted i believe it was at 8.1 percent um i think a

[0:46:45] Trustee Maude (probable): relevant fact was 7.3 percent of that was outside influences um we had a 2.8 percent increase

[0:46:52] Trustee Maude (probable): um in our salaries for our staff when there was no push event brought us to bcgu

[0:46:58] Trustee Maude (probable): which we had no control over.

[0:47:00] Trustee Maude (probable): We very much appreciate and support our staff,

[0:47:03] Trustee Maude (probable): but that was a financial burden

[0:47:05] Trustee Maude (probable): that was put onto Allen's Trust at 2.8%.

[0:47:08] Trustee Maude (probable): And then 4.5% of it was the lost revenue this year.

[0:47:12] Trustee Maude (probable): So 7.3% of that 8.1% increase

[0:47:17] Trustee Maude (probable): really was out of our control.

[0:47:19] Trustee Maude (probable): So where did we land initially?

[0:47:22] Trustee Maude (probable): Somewhere around 8%.

[0:47:23] Voice 14: it went

[0:47:29] Trustee Maude (probable): all over the place but we honestly we did our very best to get it down to something that

[0:47:33] Trustee Maude (probable): that was um acceptable and reasonable i know some municipalities are very very high um it's

[0:47:40] Trustee Maude (probable): it's challenging times we're seeing lots of downloading um and we're doing our very best

[0:47:47] Trustee Maude (probable): And also with the policy statement, we were really hoping to get it landed in June.

[0:47:54] Trustee Maude (probable): That was just, it was a legacy goal that we've been working towards, working towards, working towards.

[0:48:00] Trustee Maude (probable): And it's just in recent months, it's just become more and more apparent with the amount of work left to be done.

[0:48:07] Trustee Maude (probable): It's just not going to happen.

[0:48:11] Trustee Yates (probable): Not this term.

[0:48:12] Trustee Yates (probable): not

[0:48:12] Trustee Maude (probable): this term, so we're very disappointed in that, but everybody worked their hardest,

[0:48:17] Trustee Maude (probable): but sometimes you don't achieve your goals and you move on, so it'll be up to the next term of

[0:48:23] Trustee Maude (probable): Islands Trust, so I encourage anybody who wants to run for Islands Trust, who wants to land the

[0:48:27] Trustee Maude (probable): policy statement, this is your time to think about doing that. I'm going to leave it at that,

[0:48:35] Trustee Maude (probable): because I think you two really, really covered the wide, broad landscape and we have a big

[0:48:41] Trustee Maude (probable): agenda so let's keep going forward um so we did get an email um director's report um

[0:48:48] Trustee Maude (probable): any comments on that or any questions if

[0:48:52] Voice 16: i could share um because they're time sensitive so

[0:48:55] Voice 16: uh the director where she's um she's in the ubcm advocacy days which lead up to the

[0:49:03] Voice 16: avic meeting this weekend so unable to attend and sensor regrets

[0:49:08] Voice 16: um but opportunities coming up this saturday from 1 15 to 3 p.m there's a free home draft

[0:49:17] Voice 16: proving workshop draft proving at the gabriella library provided by the rdn carbon wise and

[0:49:23] Voice 16: gabriella sustainable energy co-op no registration required and she also notes there is a free home

[0:49:30] Voice 16: energy navigator program you can work with a person who can help you navigate options explore

[0:49:35] Voice 16: for energy efficiency upgrades.

[0:49:39] Voice 16: She made a note about Hamilton Marsh Regional Park Acquisition

[0:49:42] Voice 16: that is complete.

[0:49:44] Voice 16: She's been following that wonderful project.

[0:49:48] Voice 16: And then a parks project list for 2026.

[0:49:52] Voice 16: Would you share that the contractor is identified

[0:49:56] Voice 16: to start working on the Fairdale Connector project?

[0:49:59] Voice 16: Okay.

[0:49:59] Trustee Yates (probable): I didn't identify that, but it has, yes.

[0:50:02] Trustee Yates (probable): yes the half million dollar study so

[0:50:06] Voice 16: it's apparently the same contractor that's working

[0:50:09] Voice 16: with the rdn on a few active transportation projects up in the martin in the first step

[0:50:14] Voice 16: there will be a lidar survey of the area to get quality updated information on the roadway

[0:50:19] Voice 16: in the next few weeks they'll be establishing the working group which will include invitations to

[0:50:24] Voice 16: bc ferries mot and the gabriel transportation committee yay as well as others so i'm so glad

[0:50:31] Voice 16: to hear that's going forward that's amazing thank you for all your advocacy work um she has

[0:50:39] Voice 16: cost charges building empowerment and bylaw there is building permanent bylaw activity there's an

[0:50:44] Voice 16: update but that's all available on their website uh 16 building permits in quarter four of 2025

[0:50:52] Voice 16: were issued in area b down from 29 similar previous years and ubcm advocacy she

[0:51:01] Voice 16: has a few things there. Funding for FireSmart has run out and we're advocating for continuation of this funding. We know the importance of having a FireSmart coordinator and program.

[0:51:13] Voice 16: I don't know, maybe she can publish this in the paper. She usually does. Does she? Yeah, great. Just wanted to highlight that you can

[0:51:26] Voice 16: and me summing up things.

[0:51:28] Voice 16: Hey,

[0:51:29] Trustee Maude (probable): thank you, Trustee Elliott.

[0:51:31] Trustee Maude (probable): First Nations reports, I'm assuming there's something there.

[0:51:34] Voice 16: I don't know if Joe Elliott's here who may want to report.

[0:51:38] Voice 7: I don't think there's anything to report on.

[0:51:40] Voice 7: I think you covered it already, yeah.

[0:51:42] Voice 22: Okay.

[0:51:42] Trustee Maude (probable): Hey, thank you.

[0:51:44] Trustee Maude (probable): All right, so now we're public participation period.

[0:51:47] Trustee Maude (probable): Local trust committee has allocated 15 minutes for this.

[0:51:52] Trustee Maude (probable): Speakers, we generally look for about three minutes,

[0:51:54] Trustee Maude (probable): That's maximum, please.

[0:51:57] Trustee Maude (probable): So just a public comment period

[0:51:59] Trustee Maude (probable): is your opportunity to speak.

[0:52:01] Trustee Maude (probable): We welcome your questions and comments

[0:52:03] Trustee Maude (probable): as they help inform our decisions.

[0:52:05] Trustee Maude (probable): Applications will have,

[0:52:06] Trustee Maude (probable): applicants will have an opportunity to speak

[0:52:09] Trustee Maude (probable): when their applications are considered

[0:52:10] Trustee Maude (probable): and later in the agenda.

[0:52:12] Trustee Maude (probable): However, if you are not the applicant

[0:52:14] Trustee Maude (probable): and you have a comment in regard to an application,

[0:52:17] Trustee Maude (probable): please do so now.

[0:52:19] Trustee Maude (probable): So now Justin, you'll go to the trust committee,

[0:52:21] Trustee Maude (probable): please direct your comments to the committee,

[0:52:23] Trustee Maude (probable): not to the staff, the audience. Speak to the issues, not about individuals. Be clear, concise,

[0:52:29] Trustee Maude (probable): and respectful. Please refrain from clapping, booing, or other disruptions. We may have

[0:52:36] Trustee Maude (probable): interrupted comments or outside the scope of the agenda or do not meet the exact expectations.

[0:52:40] Trustee Maude (probable): With that, I now have a comment period. If you wish to speak, please speak in place stating

[0:52:45] Trustee Maude (probable): your name. So gentlemen, that's it. Great. Great.

[0:52:51] Voice 24: After, after a while, listen,

[0:52:57] Voice 24: one hearing aid in a room doesn't work. Sorry. I'm here on behalf of my, my neighbors. We live on,

[0:53:05] Voice 24: on the water on, above Drought Bay Park. The, the applicants for that expansion,

[0:53:14] Voice 24: expansion, not expansion, sorry, the replacement of the covenants on the property. We've known

[0:53:21] Voice 24: the people since we started coming to Gabriel. We've owned the property for 22 years, and

[0:53:27] Voice 24: in that time, we've met the major owners of that piece of property. This property is right

[0:53:32] Voice 24: next to Drumbeck Park. It is at now, I understand, non-conforming because it is three separate

[0:53:40] Voice 24: lots bought in 1970. It is one lot with three co-owners. That happened before the Island Trust

[0:53:50] Voice 24: was formed. It has worked very well. From our point of view, we have neighbors. We're the only

[0:53:55] Voice 24: full-time residents from that park to the end of the week over there. We have met them over the

[0:54:02] Voice 24: pace of the year. We met at the original meeting in October 23 about the suggestion that they would

[0:54:10] Voice 24: become I guess non-conforming but three separate lots so a fire broke out and went through the

[0:54:17] Voice 24: property they could replace those three cabins that are there there I believe around a thousand

[0:54:24] square feet I'm

[0:54:25] Voice 24: winging it there they may not be there at least very small my wife and I are in

[0:54:33] Voice 24: in support of it, to, I guess, to enhance the request, the owners of that property have

[0:54:43] agreed to designate a portion of their lot

[0:54:48] Voice 24: to a forest management area where it isn't

[0:54:53] Voice 24: touched.

[0:54:54] Voice 24: There's a single driveway in.

[0:54:56] Voice 24: There's three cabins.

[0:54:57] Voice 24: They would like to have the right to replace those three cabins if they burnt down so the

[0:55:03] Voice 24: The owners have three separate cabins that they can live in.

[0:55:07] Voice 24: As part of the give and take in this, the idea is that because they own right next to Grumbeck Park,

[0:55:15] Voice 24: I didn't realize it in our daily walks at Grumbeck Park,

[0:55:18] Voice 24: but I'm actually walking on a chunk of their property as I walk to the bench by the water.

[0:55:24] Voice 24: It's right next to the development that Galt is doing with all the reestablishing of Meadow.

[0:55:30] Voice 24: part of the plan by the family is to allow a movement of that property line back towards

[0:55:38] Voice 24: their property to allow you to walk to the bench without actually walking across the property

[0:55:45] Voice 24: another portion of that is that that allows people to do the loop from there to the around to the

[0:55:52] Voice 24: the path

[0:55:54] Voice 24: further down the beach

[0:55:55] Voice 24: and go that way.

[0:55:57] Voice 24: Galt would advance

[0:55:59] Voice 24: the planting there of the meadow.

[0:56:02] Voice 24: The

[0:56:04] Voice 24: families have agreed to remove

[0:56:06] Voice 24: as much bloom as possible.

[0:56:10] Voice 24: I support it as one of the

[0:56:12] Voice 24: only full-time owners

[0:56:14] Voice 24: along there, and I wish you'd consider that.

[0:56:17] Trustee Maude (probable): Thank you very much.

[0:56:18] Trustee Maude (probable): And just so everybody knows, Trustee Elliott's

[0:56:20] Trustee Maude (probable): running a bit of a timer, and that was the ding-dong,

[0:56:22] Trustee Maude (probable): So that's your hint that your time is up.

[0:56:25] Trustee Maude (probable): It's better than a hook.

[0:56:29] Voice 2: Yeah, I'm Alex Hodson,

[0:56:32] Voice 2: and I'm talking about the GW Solutions Report,

[0:56:37] Voice 2: Freshwater Footprint, and about the OCP.

[0:56:42] Voice 2: The GW Solutions Report provides much useful information

[0:56:47] Voice 2: that can inform the writing of our new OCP.

[0:56:50] Voice 2: the report also identifies many gaps in regulations, monitoring, and enforcement.

[0:56:56] Voice 2: In many cases, the trust does not have the authority to fill these gaps.

[0:57:00] Voice 2: Therefore, I suggest that the OCP include provision for the LTC to advocate for other agencies to do so.

[0:57:08] Voice 2: The following items should be included in the OCP.

[0:57:12] Voice 2: Number one, development permit areas should be established to protect areas with high groundwater recharge.

[0:57:19] Voice 2: charge as identified on figure 26 on page 72 figure 31 on page 78 of the report and other

[0:57:28] Voice 2: relevant materials in the gw solution study this dpa should limit clearing of trees and vegetation

[0:57:34] Voice 2: limit the amount of land covered by structures and limit industrial and other uses with potential to

[0:57:42] Voice 2: pollute the groundwater the dpa should include meaningful enforcement measures for non-compliance

[0:57:48] Voice 2: as allowed by provincial law.

[0:57:50] Voice 2: This includes when owners clear land

[0:57:52] Voice 2: before applying for the DPA permit.

[0:57:55] Voice 2: Number two, there should be an OCP objective

[0:57:57] Voice 2: to protect and restore groundwater quantity

[0:58:02] Voice 2: and quality on Gabriola.

[0:58:04] Voice 2: Under the objective,

[0:58:05] Voice 2: the following policies should be included.

[0:58:08] Voice 2: Number A, the local government trust committee,

[0:58:12] Voice 2: sorry, the local trust committee

[0:58:13] Voice 2: shall not increase the density

[0:58:15] Voice 2: or number of residences per lot

[0:58:18] Voice 2: in areas identified as having very high or high freshwater footprint hazard as identified in

[0:58:24] Voice 2: figure 59 on page 125 of the gw solutions freshwater footprint report and in areas

[0:58:32] Voice 2: identified in that report is very extreme extreme and high aquifer stress as shown on page 33 on

[0:58:41] Voice 2: and sorry on figure 33 on page 80 of the report and other relevant information in the report

[0:58:48] Voice 2: this recommendation is made in the report under 6.7 on page 126 quoted below areas with a very

[0:58:56] Voice 2: high freshwater footprint are likely not appropriate for development beyond current

[0:59:01] Voice 2: density or require policies to guide land use changes in rezoning specific to hazards in these

[0:59:07] Voice 2: areas such as saltwater intrusion. Additional development on the island could focus in areas

[0:59:13] Voice 2: with very low to moderate footprint. B, the local trust committee will consider limiting lot size

[0:59:20] Voice 2: through subdivision to be no smaller than five acres in areas with high groundwater recharge

[0:59:25] Voice 2: potential and areas with aquifer stress. C, the local trust government shall investigate how to

[0:59:32] Voice 2: to obtain enforcement of regulations

[0:59:35] Voice 2: barring continued pumping of wells

[0:59:38] Voice 2: with saltwater intrusion.

[0:59:41] Voice 2: It goes on, I'll skip over this part

[0:59:44] Voice 2: and I'll send it in to you.

[0:59:46] Voice 2: The LTC will identify the location of wells

[0:59:48] Voice 2: with high levels of total coliform and fecal coliform

[0:59:52] Voice 2: and take steps to reduce and eliminate this contamination.

[0:59:57] Voice 2: And E, the local trust committee.

[1:00:00] Voice 2: will not consider applications for zone changes or variances from commercial or all other non-domestic

[1:00:06] Voice 2: water users unless the wells have been registered with the province and have met all provincial

[1:00:11] Voice 2: requirements. F, the local trust committee will investigate what land bylaw use bylaw provisions

[1:00:19] Voice 2: can be established in order to protect and restore Gabriela groundwater quality and quantity.

[1:00:24] Voice 2: These could include rules to show adequate water for obtaining a building permit and for subdivision.

[1:00:31] Voice 2: And G, the local trust committee will advocate for the province and regional district of Nanaimo to achieve the recommendation of the GW Solutions report

[1:00:40] Voice 2: that include conducting significantly more monitoring and testing of groundwater quality,

[1:00:47] Voice 2: quality, including testing for natural minerals, contaminants for septic systems like nitrates,

[1:00:54] Voice 2: pharmaceuticals, and pathogens. Monitoring the quality of water is being delivered to the island

[1:00:59] Voice 2: as an indicator of water scarcity and conducting more groundwater monitoring near areas with high

[1:01:06] Voice 2: well density and higher water demand for non-domestic use and from surface water sources.

[1:01:12] Voice 2: undertaking steps to achieve enforcement of provincial requirements for registration of non-domestic wells.

[1:01:21] Voice 2: Sorry, it's going

[1:01:22] Voice 2: to be so long, but there is a bit more in here and I will send it to

[1:01:26] Trustee Maude (probable): the trustees.

[1:01:27] Trustee Maude (probable): If you can get that emailed in, that really helps. Thank you.

[1:01:30] Voice 16: That kind of information is very good for the OCP project.

[1:01:33] Voice 16: You would expect to see it in the OCP project folder as it's giving us input into how you want to see it.

[1:01:39] Voice 16: but um just to note for this community the ocp draft policies are expected to be tabled

[1:01:47] Voice 16: may ish sometime at a special meeting or perhaps a

[1:01:51] Voice 16: regular meeting okay so let

[1:01:53] Voice 2: me just see if i

[1:01:54] Voice 16: said

[1:01:54] Voice 2: it generous i

[1:01:55] Voice 16: think send it to step or north info and it will be okay in the right place thank

[1:02:00] Voice 16: thank you thank you thank

[1:02:02] Voice 7: you my name is

[1:02:05] Voice 7: well first of all i really actually want to raise uh the sound for the incredible uh reports that

[1:02:23] Voice 7: they do in uh i've read through the agenda package and it's it's very detailed it's very

[1:02:29] Voice 7: very very good i really appreciate that but i really want to appreciate our local trustees

[1:02:33] Voice 7: for the attention they're saying that everything that's going on is really good to hear i'm sorry

[1:02:40] Voice 7: um the issues uh that i want to talk about the first one we did was regarding the harm act

[1:02:44] Voice 7: uh issues meeting the other day i spoke to public hearing and voice concerns that people most likely

[1:02:52] Voice 7: be affected in a negative way are the immediate neighbors of these old land, Gabriel and Mudge

[1:02:57] Voice 7: First Nations and that there has been no attempt to connect with those people who represent those

[1:03:03] Voice 7: communities. Our local government has not consulted the rest of my knowledge. I can speak as a Gabriel

[1:03:09] Voice 7: alone but that is only one voice. We all know that when there are governance and decisions to be made

[1:03:17] Voice 7: that hearing from elected officials of the communities affected carries much more weight

[1:03:22] Voice 7: than it does from individuals. The problem here, there's no protocol to allow the trust to have

[1:03:28] Voice 7: input on these own decisions made by other government bodies, other municipal government

[1:03:35] Voice 7: bodies, even when we are directly affected. I know I've been on about this in the past,

[1:03:41] Voice 7: but what just happened here is a clear indication that we need to establish protocols.

[1:03:45] Voice 7: protocols. I felt my community was totally disenfranchised by this whole concept. That's

[1:03:52] Voice 7: number one. The second one, actually, I can drop the third one because I can speak to

[1:03:57] Voice 7: the question directly about it. And it's about the agenda item, and that is the Seabird

[1:04:02] Voice 7: Rezoning Application. I am a proud member of GALT, and I'm thrilled at the opportunity

[1:04:08] Voice 7: to expand John May's park to allow us to take control of that land that we are all

[1:04:13] Voice 7: trying to revitalize as a natural ecosystem. I have not walked the property, the Seabirds

[1:04:20] Voice 7: property, I have walked through the drum bay property first, that is adjacent to drum bay,

[1:04:25] Voice 7: but clearly from the photos in the report, the owners take great care of their natural ecosystem

[1:04:31] Voice 7: and they want to work with everybody to expand that care of nature. So this is wonderful. I

[1:04:38] Voice 7: wholeheartedly agree with the staff recommendations as laid out, but I wonder why you're

[1:04:43] Voice 7: be proceeding so at this point of the drawing of the bylaws now when there seems to be outstanding

[1:04:49] Voice 7: issues in particular the first nations uh the wetlands survey uh and uh sorry doing inspection

[1:04:57] Voice 7: in person that's starting i presume that are coming to protect the existing forest

[1:05:01] Voice 7: areas in the property with your arm as a condition of the results and my concerns are

[1:05:11] Voice 7: It appears that the rezoning is a trade, and that there is something to be watched very

[1:05:19] Voice 7: carefully.

[1:05:20] Voice 7: It's very dangerous territory to tread into, seeing this happen time and again in the past,

[1:05:26] Voice 7: especially if it looks like there would be an increase in density due to the trade, something

[1:05:32] Voice 7: that's really carefully watched on this island.

[1:05:34] Voice 7: However, given that the land would not be subdividable, that seems to skirt the issue

[1:05:39] Voice 7: some, if the planners' recommendations are followed.

[1:05:45] Voice 7: Given the trade opportunity, though, it seems to me that the amount of land being offered

[1:05:50] Voice 7: is quite tiny.

[1:05:52] Voice 7: I've not walked out this land, as I said before, but it looks like the added land seems to

[1:05:57] Voice 7: be a convenient extension of a straight property line, rather than what the land truly reflects,

[1:06:02] Voice 7: to take care of what everyone wants to do,

[1:06:06] Voice 7: get rid of the broom, reinvigorate the land,

[1:06:09] Voice 7: back to its natural state.

[1:06:11] Voice 7: Will the sliver of land offered do this?

[1:06:14] Voice 7: It is clear that the present owners have their heart

[1:06:16] Voice 7: in keeping the land in its natural state

[1:06:18] Voice 7: and taking the groomed land back to its natural state,

[1:06:23] Voice 7: but the bylaws have to take into consideration

[1:06:25] Voice 7: the future landowners as well,

[1:06:28] Voice 7: so they have to be very clear.

[1:06:30] Voice 7: Thank you very much.

[1:06:34] Voice 26: I wanted to, David

[1:06:35] Voice 26: I wanted to talk just briefly

[1:06:38] Voice 26: about the stalker property.

[1:06:40] Voice 26: I understand that

[1:06:42] Voice 26: the property is just under the

[1:06:43] Voice 26: 10-acre lot process,

[1:06:46] Voice 26: but the solution to me,

[1:06:48] Voice 26: which nobody has raised so far that

[1:06:50] Voice 26: they have done so well,

[1:06:52] Voice 26: is that they'd agree not to expand

[1:06:54] Voice 26: in a covenant into

[1:06:56] Voice 26: the future the

[1:06:58] Voice 26: the footprint of their places.

[1:07:01] Voice 26: In other words, it's not the thin edge of a wedge.

[1:07:05] Voice 26: It's actually the owners there have said,

[1:07:09] Voice 26: this is the footprint.

[1:07:11] Voice 26: It is what we have today.

[1:07:12] Voice 26: If the house burns down, that's all we can build is to that.

[1:07:16] Voice 26: And it's a covenant which lasts forever.

[1:07:18] Voice 26: So it can't be changed by future owners or anybody else.

[1:07:23] Voice 26: So I think that it's just important to know that.

[1:07:27] Voice 26: it's kind of we see this on give your all the time uh it's kind of one of those issues of

[1:07:32] Voice 26: this is before the analyst trust i mean i've seen stuff after the ellen's trust

[1:07:37] Voice 26: that uh we had very different rulings for um and i'm actually quite honestly just amazed that they

[1:07:43] Voice 26: were willing to take on this covenant because it means they're not interested in expansion

[1:07:47] Voice 26: they're really just interested in making sure they can ensure their homes and frankly from

[1:07:54] Voice 26: Gabriela's perspective the capacity for people across that property line which they are doing

[1:08:01] Voice 26: illegally now and new owners could put a big fence up if they wanted to and then people will be

[1:08:06] Voice 26: crawling over the rocks because that's the only way to access the beach legally so I think it's

[1:08:13] Voice 26: just important that you're getting a donation they're agreeing to cap everything where it is

[1:08:18] Voice 26: today and provide access to the beach as well as straighten out the line it's not simply to

[1:08:25] Voice 26: straighten the line for the property it's to straighten the line to allow the trail that

[1:08:30] Voice 26: currently exists there to be in the park property which it is not now or part of it or not well i

[1:08:36] Voice 26: strongly encourage trustees to approve it thank you anybody else well

[1:08:44] Trustee Yates (probable): thank you chairman i just

[1:08:47] Trustee Yates (probable): wanted to respond to Bob Andrews' concern about the fact that we have no protocol agreement with

[1:08:55] Trustee Yates (probable): the City of Nanaimo. We have one with the Regional District of Nanaimo and I have been working on

[1:09:00] Trustee Yates (probable): this for about a year now with Regional Planning Manager Renée Gemmert and I met with her about a

[1:09:09] Trustee Yates (probable): month ago to try to get one, to try to have some official way of responding to

[1:09:17] Trustee Yates (probable): rezoning or other applications that are so close to us we might as well be part of our trust area

[1:09:23] Trustee Yates (probable): because this is really serious and gabriela citizens are known for being active in protecting

[1:09:32] Trustee Yates (probable): their shorelines and their communities even if stuff's happening just across the water there

[1:09:37] Trustee Yates (probable): so i don't know is is rpm general available like quickly because she could give us an update as to

[1:09:45] Trustee Yates (probable): to where we're at with that.

[1:09:47] Trustee Yates (probable): But if not, I can assure you that we are working on it.

[1:09:51] Trustee Yates (probable): It's taking way longer than it should,

[1:09:53] Trustee Yates (probable): because of course here we have already had

[1:09:55] Trustee Yates (probable): the public hearing, but it's a really important issue

[1:09:59] Trustee Yates (probable): that we need to have going forward.

[1:10:02] Voice 16: And is, well, and does the protocol agreement satisfy

[1:10:08] Voice 16: the, like what you want to achieve?

[1:10:12] Voice 16: Is it

[1:10:12] Voice 16: more than we should be adding

[1:10:15] Voice 16: into the referral list why are we not adding to the referrals list or say industrial activity

[1:10:21] Voice 16: occurring along the shoreline um like because sometimes you know we're going down the road

[1:10:27] Voice 16: of a protocol agreement which takes a lot of effort to develop and maintain you kind of miss

[1:10:30] Voice 16: the boat on the actual point which is refer this to well

[1:10:34] Trustee Yates (probable): that's my first request to be added to the

[1:10:37] Trustee Yates (probable): referrals list that was maybe a year ago okay i

[1:10:40] Trustee Yates (probable): asked for that and then

[1:10:41] Trustee Yates (probable): and it just got really

[1:10:43] Trustee Yates (probable): but the fact is we need to get this done so i think we're all right now i think um

[1:10:51] Voice 14: maybe

[1:10:52] Trustee Yates (probable): she could give us a quick update as to where we're at

[1:10:55] Trustee Yates (probable): okay

[1:10:57] Trustee Maude (probable): so rachel planning manager is your act are you available to

[1:11:01] Trustee Maude (probable): ask the question hi

[1:11:03] Voice 3: good afternoon everyone um i don't have any updates to share um

[1:11:08] Voice 3: with that regard um it's currently just in conversations with trustee yates um however

[1:11:14] Voice 3: if there is any information that the ltc would like uh to request from staff that could be

[1:11:20] Voice 3: through a motion as well but no updates to share at this time okay

[1:11:26] Voice 22: thank you very much

[1:11:34] Voice 5: thank

[1:11:34] Voice 6: you if you don't mind that i don't understand um my name is arnold cooper from

[1:11:39] Voice 6: to chat to you. I'm a resident here in D'Agriola, and I want to start by making the two press

[1:11:44] Voice 6: weeks very excellent and comprehensive reports. I appreciate it. I also wanted just to, in

[1:11:51] Voice 6: under three minutes, to comment on a number of optimistic things that have come through

[1:11:56] Voice 6: my mind as I've listened to the reports. One is when Trustee Yates was speaking about

[1:12:02] Voice 6: of the sidewalk at the ferry terminal.

[1:12:06] Voice 6: An aspiration of mine has been to have

[1:12:09] Voice 6: a sidewalk that goes someplace,

[1:12:11] Voice 6: but maybe at the end of that sidewalk

[1:12:13] Voice 6: to have a Coast Salish welcome be here.

[1:12:15] Voice 17: And

[1:12:15] Voice 6: I'd like to urge the powers that be

[1:12:18] Voice 6: to consider weaving the Coast Salish heritage

[1:12:22] Voice 6: through everything that we do,

[1:12:24] Voice 6: as opposed to brush and adding it on.

[1:12:28] Voice 6: but if it's part of the fairy development situation then I think that it would be a real plus for the

[1:12:36] Voice 6: way we live here in Gabriola. I also am encouraged to hear about the indigenous reaction plan

[1:12:42] Voice 6: but my biggest concern is about protecting the archaeological sites

[1:12:49] Voice 6: here on Gabriola Island and I can't stay for particularly long but I'm very interested in

[1:12:56] Voice 6: the actual steps that we take at a bare minimum for protecting the archaeological sites.

[1:13:02] Voice 6: There's a lot of concern about our ecology, other facets of life here in Gabriola.

[1:13:09] Voice 6: But those archaeological sites existed before 1970 and before the Islands Trust existed.

[1:13:18] Voice 6: And I would just urge serious consideration, protection of the archaeological sites.

[1:13:23] Voice 6: and i think that it would enhance our protocol thank you very much thank

[1:13:30] Trustee Maude (probable): you anybody else wish

[1:13:32] Trustee Maude (probable): to speak okay well thank you very much much appreciated all right so now we have minutes

[1:13:42] Trustee Maude (probable): um so we have the minutes uh special meeting minutes date of february 2nd

[1:13:47] Trustee Maude (probable): 2026 for adoption does anybody have any additional comments we

[1:13:54] Voice 16: have a question which i only just

[1:13:57] Voice 16: noticed about the territorial acknowledgement at the start of our minutes um it's in many of

[1:14:04] Voice 16: the islands it's sort of pro forma to say we're meeting or it was held on the territory of the

[1:14:09] Voice 16: Coast Salish First Nations. But for Gabriela, because Neymar has a very particular and the

[1:14:16] Voice 16: highest strength of claim, I believe, and interest here, is it more appropriate to reference Neymar

[1:14:23] Voice 16: and other Coast Salish First Nations, or is this going to be appropriate reference for this

[1:14:32] Voice 16: particular ltc joe

[1:14:33] Voice 19: you're asking somebody my my home is that it's not who's asked to enable so

[1:14:38] Voice 19: you're to be objective i think you'll yeah it

[1:14:42] Voice 18: would be good to put the name up in there but

[1:14:44] Voice 18: there are other first nations that may have an interest we still have all of our our fifth

[1:14:48] Voice 18: folks that's with island trust and they acknowledge that other nations may have uh

[1:14:52] Voice 18: through kinship and connection system so to be respectful to to that connection i would say

[1:15:01] Voice 16: I think if we can follow up, maybe with Elder Satatsia, because I have heard feedback from

[1:15:10] Voice 16: another local government reference, I think it was Nanaimo, in a formal meeting, the same

[1:15:16] Voice 16: territory of the name of Xanaas, and there was one other nation, and she actually corrected

[1:15:25] Voice 16: that and said this is the nailed territory there is no question about that so I don't want to

[1:15:31] Voice 16: change protocols but I think I wonder if we could ask the question and maybe nothing needs to be

[1:15:38] Voice 16: changed but I just wanted to read that in case we were inadvertently causing a misapprehension

[1:15:45] Voice 16: I don't have any

[1:15:51] Voice 14: changes I think this is all very good

[1:15:53] Voice 14: Is that the February 19th minutes that we're looking at?

[1:15:56] Trustee Maude (probable): Yes.

[1:15:57] Trustee Maude (probable): February 6th.

[1:15:58] Trustee Maude (probable): Okay.

[1:16:00] Trustee Maude (probable): So by general consent, we can adopt those minutes.

[1:16:02] Trustee Maude (probable): All right.

[1:16:04] Trustee Maude (probable): So now we have the trust committee amendment stated dated February 19th.

[1:16:08] Trustee Maude (probable): Again, any comments?

[1:16:11] Trustee Maude (probable): Mr.

[1:16:12] Trustee Yates (probable): Peany, we need typo on page 9 of the draft minutes.

[1:16:16] Trustee Yates (probable): minutes, at the very bottom, Chair Patrick Rosen reported that Bregna Dolan was appointed

[1:16:23] Trustee Yates (probable): to serve on the Maginot and ABC. There's an N missing. It's B-R-E-G-H-N-A-N. And it's

[1:16:33] Trustee Yates (probable): spelled correctly elsewhere in the agenda package. Thank you.

[1:16:38] Trustee Maude (probable): Anything else? So by general consent, we can adopt those minutes as amended. Then,

[1:16:46] Trustee Maude (probable): Then we go to local trust committee public hearing record

[1:16:49] Trustee Maude (probable): for file number 321, 322, and February 19, 2096 for receipt.

[1:16:56] Trustee Maude (probable): So we can receive those.

[1:16:58] Trustee Maude (probable): We have local trust committee special minutes,

[1:17:00] Trustee Maude (probable): special meeting minutes, dated March 23rd.

[1:17:03] Trustee Maude (probable): Again, any comments or concerns with those minutes?

[1:17:10] Voice 16: One small typo, it's just that on page 22,

[1:17:14] Voice 16: page three of the...

[1:17:17] Voice 16: uh graph report full details the think to the study yes the link is just the thing but you know

[1:17:24] Voice 16: i think people will get it um and you know did you remember that it's page uh three of five of

[1:17:34] Voice 16: that it's

[1:17:35] Voice 15: page 22 of the agenda that's the first paragraph for full detail that link

[1:18:04] Voice 17: All

[1:18:04] Trustee Maude (probable): right, so we go over now to page 25, which is follow-up action list.

[1:18:11] Trustee Maude (probable): Anything to be raised?

[1:18:15] Voice 20: I

[1:18:26] Trustee Yates (probable): always raise this every meeting, but I think I got it straight now.

[1:18:29] Trustee Yates (probable): Yeah, when something has been completed, it still has to wait for another whole round to go through before it comes off this list.

[1:18:39] Voice 9: Yeah, we mark when that's completed and have them show up on the agenda that way so that we'll be able to see them.

[1:18:47] Voice 9: So you can

[1:18:47] Voice 9: see that, and then it'll be ready to fall against me and you can get smart and complete it on here.

[1:18:56] Voice 22: question

[1:18:57] Voice 16: about the third item on page 26 um november 20th the ocp review project

[1:19:06] Voice 16: forward the model dpa guideline new dpa prioritization list to the capability

[1:19:11] Voice 16: working group and the adc for their

[1:19:14] Voice 15: input i thought we had decided that because new dps

[1:19:17] Voice 15: if they're not part of the LCP review.

[1:19:21] Voice 15: But we're just not gonna be working on that.

[1:19:24] Voice 15: It could be wrong,

[1:19:25] Voice 9: probably wrong.

[1:19:27] Voice 15: I think I can call.

[1:19:29] Voice 9: Through the chair, this item refers to not,

[1:19:31] Voice 9: to a priority list that was proposed

[1:19:35] Voice 9: or will be proposed to be part of the OCP,

[1:19:39] Voice 9: just the list itself, not all the new pages

[1:19:42] Voice 9: will be developed right away,

[1:19:43] Voice 9: but a way to reflect a lot of the feedback

[1:19:45] Voice 9: we have received in terms of interest

[1:19:48] Voice 9: in new development for other areas.

[1:19:50] Voice 9: Okay,

[1:19:50] Voice 12: excellent, thank you.

[1:19:55] Voice 22: Anything else, Nicole, back to us?

[1:20:03] Voice 16: So many jobs and memories, that's not a big deal.

[1:20:07] Voice 16: So our meeting procedures,

[1:20:08] Voice 16: or sorry, the meeting notification by-law,

[1:20:11] Voice 16: I'm looking at the meeting procedures repeal by-law,

[1:20:13] Voice 16: so I don't see it on this list.

[1:20:15] Voice 16: So it must've been before,

[1:20:17] Voice 16: but our notification methods

[1:20:20] Voice 16: are still the sounder on the website.

[1:20:22] Voice 16: That's what we decided.

[1:20:24] Voice 16: Yeah.

[1:20:24] Voice 16: Okay.

[1:20:24] Voice 16: Yeah.

[1:20:25] Voice 16: Thank you.

[1:20:25] Voice 16: Because we had feedback from the editor and the sounder.

[1:20:27] Voice 16: And I just want to commend the sounders.

[1:20:29] Voice 16: That's excellent work.

[1:20:30] Voice 16: It's a weekly paper.

[1:20:31] Voice 16: We're the only island that can have public notification through a physical newspaper

[1:20:35] Voice 16: still.

[1:20:36] Voice 16: So apologies.

[1:20:37] Voice 16: It's not on the left.

[1:20:38] Voice 16: I just wanted to confirm that.

[1:20:42] Trustee Maude (probable): Yep.

[1:20:43] Voice 15: That's it.

[1:20:43] Trustee Maude (probable): Okay.

[1:20:44] Trustee Maude (probable): So we'll move down to page 30, which is applications and referrals.

[1:20:48] Trustee Maude (probable): referral. So we start off with PLDPP 2024-0299 in overview pattern.

[1:20:58] Trustee Maude (probable): Sure.

[1:20:59] Voice 9: So this report introduces the development variance permit application, which seeks to

[1:21:05] Voice 9: reduce the setback to the natural boundary of the seat from 15 meters to 0 meters and

[1:21:09] Voice 9: the interior side lot lines from 1.5 meters to 0 meters in order to facilitate the construction

[1:21:15] Voice 9: construction of a rock revetment at 1140 The Strand.

[1:21:19] Voice 9: The revetment design does include

[1:21:21] Voice 9: native vegetation findings,

[1:21:24] Voice 9: and the intent is to protect the property

[1:21:26] Voice 9: from shoreline erosion.

[1:21:27] Voice 9: The application was referred to as the Native First Nation

[1:21:30] Voice 9: and their response indicates an archeological impact

[1:21:33] Voice 9: assessment should be conducted prior to ground disturbance.

[1:21:36] Voice 9: One letter was also received related to this application,

[1:21:40] Voice 9: which indicated support for the variance

[1:21:42] Voice 9: And staff are recommending that the LTC deny this unit to the permit for the reasons that

[1:21:50] Voice 9: the dwelling unit is set back within 15 meters from the natural boundary of the sea, professional

[1:21:54] Voice 9: information related to the risk of the environment associated with the installation of the shoreline

[1:21:59] Voice 9: armory, mitigation of impacts and suitability of alternatives have not been provided, the

[1:22:04] Voice 9: visual impact of the rock movement and an archaeological impact assessment has not been

[1:22:08] Voice 9: and conduct you

[1:22:10] Trustee Maude (probable): think you see how good with us yeah and it's here yes i am

[1:22:14] Trustee Maude (probable): okay thank you

[1:22:15] Trustee Maude (probable): all right trustees uh questions

[1:22:24] Trustee Yates (probable): will you get

[1:22:27] Voice 25: a chance to absolutely

[1:22:30] Trustee Maude (probable): trustees you want to hear a presentation first

[1:22:34] Voice 17: sure okay

[1:22:35] Trustee Maude (probable): so kind of did you have anything relevant prior to where i was just going to

[1:22:39] Trustee Maude (probable): And I'm just going to confirm as well that I

[1:22:41] Voice 9: don't have a chance to speak.

[1:22:42] Voice 9: Okay, go ahead, sir.

[1:22:44] Voice 25: Good morning, and it's really a great pleasure to meet the trustees.

[1:22:48] Voice 25: And because I haven't met you before, I'd like to introduce myself.

[1:22:52] Voice 25: My name is Mike Apps.

[1:22:53] Voice 25: I am the proponent, and this is my wife, Karen.

[1:22:56] Voice 25: We are now both in our 80s, seniors, and we moved to Gabriola about 15 years ago,

[1:23:02] Voice 25: returning to the West Coast where we grew up.

[1:23:04] Voice 25: of. My background was in science and most of my international career was in ecology and

[1:23:11] Voice 25: environmental science. I retired as a senior scientist with Natural Resources Canada where I

[1:23:17] Voice 25: was the team leader of the climate change program in the Canadian Forest Service. With such a

[1:23:22] Voice 25: background it was natural for me to want to retire to Gabriola to enjoy the unique and natural

[1:23:28] Voice 25: natural ecosystems, it has to walk with.

[1:23:32] Voice 25: My connections to the Gulf Islands

[1:23:34] Voice 25: and to Islanders Trust are really deep.

[1:23:36] Voice 25: As a baby, I moved to Hornby Island

[1:23:41] Voice 25: and had the foresight to bring my parents with me.

[1:23:45] Voice 25: On Hornby, we stayed with my aunt, Hilary Brown,

[1:23:48] Voice 25: who was also my godmother.

[1:23:50] Voice 25: You may recognize the name Hilary Brown.

[1:23:53] Voice 25: She was the first chairperson

[1:23:55] Voice 25: person and set up the whole institution of Islands Trust and responsible for establishing

[1:24:00] Voice 25: its mandate to protect and preserve our unique island ecosystems.

[1:24:06] Voice 25: As you could perceive, I care deeply about Islands Trust and its mandate.

[1:24:13] Voice 25: Because of this passion, I've had a difficult task preparing this presentation for you.

[1:24:19] Voice 25: you, I chose to read a prepared statement rather than speaking extemporaneously from

[1:24:27] Voice 25: notes as I'm used to doing as an international speaker, both to ensure that I cover the important

[1:24:33] Voice 25: points that I want to make and hopefully to avoid becoming too emotional because I am

[1:24:38] Voice 25: passionately concerned about this issue.

[1:24:40] Voice 25: I apologize in advance if I take more time than you would wish and ask you to bear with

[1:24:46] Voice 25: me if I become too passionate but I have had to condense four years of intense work and thought

[1:24:52] Voice 25: into this statement and if you'll forgive me I'm going to have to sit down my age and fragility

[1:24:56] Voice 25: will not allow me to stand I'm afraid I'll fall over so I do ask you to bear with me it is a long

[1:25:05] Voice 25: statement but I think it's I think you'll find I hope you'll find it relevant you the trustees

[1:25:10] Voice 25: violence trust are faced with a very difficult decision not just for the state of my particular

[1:25:16] Voice 25: application, but more importantly for setting a direction of how Islands Trust staff should

[1:25:22] Voice 25: deal with landowners trying to protect their property and its ecological values.

[1:25:27] Voice 25: I am referring specifically to protection from the impacts of climate change, something

[1:25:32] Voice 25: that I know a little bit about, having been a senior member of the team of the North End

[1:25:38] Voice 25: Nobel Peace Prize for the assessment of climate change impacts and mitigation.

[1:25:43] Voice 25: I am an ecologist. More specifically, Islands Trust needs to reconsider staff interactions with waterfront property owners seeking to protect their property and shorelines from the unprecedented assault by winter storms and extreme high tides.

[1:26:01] Voice 25: It's not just sea level-wise.

[1:26:04] Voice 25: I say this because I am being frustrated and, yes, angered by my interactions with staff

[1:26:10] Voice 25: and our attempts to protect our shoreline.

[1:26:13] Voice 25: I predict that you will see more residents angered and frustrated like me,

[1:26:17] Voice 25: and this will erode the trust that Island's

[1:26:20] Voice 16: residents have in Island's trust.

[1:26:22] Voice 16: Sir, I'm sensing that the direction that you're going in is about staff interactions.

[1:26:29] Voice 16: No, it's

[1:26:30] Voice 25: not. It's not only about that.

[1:26:32] Voice 25: It actually is going to give you information about, I'm going to want to talk about that.

[1:26:37] Voice 25: I

[1:26:37] Voice 16: understand, but if there are challenges with staff interactions, we are not the body to speak to.

[1:26:43] Voice 25: I'm not, I'm not.

[1:26:45] Voice 16: Let

[1:26:47] Voice 25: me turn actually to our situation.

[1:26:49] Voice 25: In the winter of 2022, two or three exceptionally violent storms and extreme high tides swept away the buried logs that provided shoreline stabilization.

[1:27:01] Voice 25: The presence of numerous unsalvaged logs in Lock Bay accelerated this process, acting as multi-ton battery rounds.

[1:27:09] Voice 25: Facing the same damage and greatly alarmed by it, our neighbors took what they justifiably considered emergency action.

[1:27:17] Voice 25: They had a rock revetment installed.

[1:27:20] Voice 25: We decided not to join them in this work, thinking that this storm was a one-off event.

[1:27:26] Voice 25: I'm embarrassed to report, however, that I greatly underestimated the impacts of climate

[1:27:31] Voice 25: change and my decision was proven wrong by an even more violent storm the following year.

[1:27:37] Voice 25: During this avulsion event in 2023, about two meters of our low bank waterfront and

[1:27:45] Voice 25: and its vegetative habitat was completely swept away

[1:27:49] Voice 25: and our steps to the beach were totally

[1:27:52] Voice 25: and irrevocably lost.

[1:27:54] Voice 25: In contrast, our neighbor's shoreline

[1:27:57] Voice 25: were completely protected from this

[1:27:59] Voice 25: and subsequent storms by their revetment.

[1:28:02] Voice 25: I approached Ana's Trust for help in dealing

[1:28:05] Voice 25: with what we now recognize

[1:28:06] Voice 25: as an environmental emergency.

[1:28:09] Voice 25: We asked for their help to protect and preserve

[1:28:12] Voice 25: our shoreline and to restore the pre-existing natural border with the sea.

[1:28:17] Voice 25: We were in fact seeking the same goals as Islands Trust landed to protect and preserve

[1:28:23] Voice 25: a unique environment for the benefit of local residents and British Columbia.

[1:28:29] Voice 25: Staff unfortunately did not see this as an emergency that required action and you don't

[1:28:34] Voice 25: see the words climate change or action, you see erosion and that's all in the report.

[1:28:39] Voice 25: rather than rather their response is that we had to apply for a development variance permit

[1:28:48] Voice 25: despite a repeated statements we were not attempting to develop or improve our property

[1:28:53] Voice 25: we only wanted to protect the local environment and prevent the emergence of life-threatening

[1:28:59] Voice 25: conditions from the increasing impacts of climate change driven storms i'll come back to this point

[1:29:05] Voice 25: about low threatening conditions because it's very important to me my point here point here

[1:29:11] Voice 25: here is that this call for help fell on deaf ears.

[1:29:15] Voice 25: I should say here that our original suggestion

[1:29:18] Voice 25: was to replace the missing barrier logs

[1:29:20] Voice 25: that had provided shoreline stabilization

[1:29:23] Voice 25: with rock landscaping at an estimated cost

[1:29:26] Voice 25: of 10 to $20,000.

[1:29:28] Voice 25: I prepared a diagram of what we had in mind,

[1:29:31] Voice 25: but staff's response was that this rock landscape

[1:29:34] Voice 25: was a structure like a hotel,

[1:29:37] Voice 25: and that therefore we might want to get,

[1:29:39] Voice 25: might want to get a professional design that would be consistent with our

[1:29:43] Voice 25: neighbor's property. This put us squarely on the DVP application process and the

[1:29:50] Voice 25: obstacles and requirements that became became increasingly costly, time-consuming

[1:29:55] Voice 25: and frustrating. It also became adversarial.

[1:30:00] Voice 25: Each time we met one requirement by staff, we were rewarded with another one.

[1:30:06] Voice 25: First, a new survey, then a professional geotechnical report, followed by contractor consultations, regional district of Nanaimo, BC Archaeological Branch, BC Ministry of Environment, BC Ministry of Natural Resources, federal fisheries and oceans, environmental impact assessment, green shores for homes, and the list goes on.

[1:30:27] Voice 25: Exactly as if we were a speculative developer wanting to put in a marina, a building, or a parking lot, but without a developer's financial and technical resources.

[1:30:40] Voice 25: I felt we were put on a wildly spinning roundabout, an expensive one, with no exit in sight.

[1:30:47] Voice 25: Or if you remember the penis cartoon, like Charlie playing football with Lucy.

[1:30:52] Voice 25: This was extremely frustrating and stressful, and we had no help from Island Trust staff whose standard response became, you might want to hire a professional to do this, that, or the other thing.

[1:31:06] Voice 25: Let me give one example which also relates to the emergence of life-threatening conditions mentioned above.

[1:31:11] Voice 25: I expressed concern that within a few years, the roots of large heritage trees on the second level embankment would be to undercut and fall, with potential consequences disastrous to our health.

[1:31:24] Voice 25: This had already happened at the neighbor's property, where a similarly undercut tree fell within a few feet of their neighbor's hot tub.

[1:31:33] Voice 25: Potentially fatal, but fortunately nobody was there and nobody was hurt.

[1:31:37] Voice 25: What was the response that I received?

[1:31:39] Voice 25: Not from this staff member, but another.

[1:31:42] Voice 25: If you are concerned, you may wish to hire an arborist to cut the trees down.

[1:31:48] Voice 25: Heritage trees, and part of the unique environment we are supposed to be trying to protect,

[1:31:53] Voice 25: and we are supposed to cut them down?

[1:31:55] Voice 25: Four years later, after many hundreds of hours of research and between $10,000 and $20,000 of consultations,

[1:32:03] Voice 25: our shoreline still has no protection.

[1:32:05] Voice 25: protection. Not one thing has been done. Nearly all of the vegetation, a three-meter strip of

[1:32:12] Voice 25: small trees and shrubs, has now been washed away completely by the winter storms, and access to

[1:32:18] Voice 25: our beach is now totally impossible. Early last year, we received the staff report for your April

[1:32:24] Voice 25: 25 meeting, last year's meeting, recommending our application be denied. We decided to accept

[1:32:32] Voice 25: staff's gracious offer to delay the hearing to give us time to address these concerns.

[1:32:38] Voice 25: We re-boarded the DBP application route. I closely examined each point in the April 25

[1:32:47] Voice 25: staff report and after multiple consultations with professionals, including the authors of the EIA

[1:32:53] Voice 25: and geotechnical report, prepared a detailed response of each concern expressed in this report,

[1:33:00] Voice 25: court, which I submitted to staff. As far as I can say, as far as I can tell, my detailed response

[1:33:07] Voice 25: has been dismissed because it did not come under the, quote, stamp and seal of a qualified

[1:33:13] Voice 25: professional, end quote, a requirement that suddenly appeared for the first time in November,

[1:33:20] Voice 25: just three months ago, three years into the process, and insulting and insultingly disrespectful

[1:33:26] Voice 25: respectful of my credentials. I'm not surprised that there is no reference to my detailed response

[1:33:32] Voice 25: in the package before you. As many of the same what I consider false assumptions and assertions

[1:33:39] Voice 25: that appear in the current report before you have not been addressed according to staff.

[1:33:45] Voice 25: But I do want to let you know that I have addressed every one of the issues raised by staff

[1:33:51] Voice 25: staff but have been ignored. I also conducted a review of the scientific literature and the

[1:33:57] Voice 25: available literature, current literature, and produced a report called Shoreline Stabilization

[1:34:03] Voice 25: Alternatives and Rationale, but this is very deep in your report. I doubt if you've looked at it.

[1:34:09] Voice 25: This analysis convinced me that the hybrid revetment, i.e. a vegetated revetment, not the

[1:34:15] Voice 25: the bare revetment you saw when you made your site visit

[1:34:20] Voice 25: was indeed the best, if not the only,

[1:34:22] Voice 25: of that environmentally sound approach to our site.

[1:34:25] Voice 25: To be frank, given my education and scientific credentials,

[1:34:29] Voice 25: it is hard not to be insulted

[1:34:31] Voice 25: by staff's trivialization of my professional analysis.

[1:34:36] Voice 25: And they're

[1:34:37] Voice 25: outright dismissal of any steps I make.

[1:34:39] Voice 25: And I won't get any further on that.

[1:34:40] Voice 25: I won't say any more about that.

[1:34:43] Voice 25: The message received.

[1:34:44] Voice 25: I'm sorry?

[1:34:45] Voice 25: As

[1:34:45] Trustee Maude (probable): long as you receive the message when you do this, please speak to the applicant.

[1:34:49] Trustee Maude (probable): When

[1:34:49] Voice 16: emotions are strong, we don't want to make assertions about intent or motives.

[1:34:55] Voice 16: And it's really, I'm hearing you're calling into question the professionalism.

[1:35:00] Voice 16: And I think that

[1:35:01] Voice 25: professionalism has been very much disrespected.

[1:35:05] Voice 16: I know, but it's taking us off the track of actually considering the application.

[1:35:09] Voice 16: Because it feels like, yeah.

[1:35:12] Voice 16: Staff

[1:35:13] Voice 25: continues to state that we fail to acknowledge the hazards of seawalls and that we have not considered soft armory approaches.

[1:35:20] Voice 25: That's stated right in your report.

[1:35:22] Voice 25: These statements simply are not true.

[1:35:25] Voice 25: First, the proposed vegetated revetment is not a seawall.

[1:35:30] Voice 25: A fact that both the geotechnical report and the EI reports both explain, and I have repeatedly pointed out to staff.

[1:35:38] Voice 25: out. Secondly, we have considered all possible soft approaches and have conveyed this fact

[1:35:44] Voice 25: to staff, both verbally and in previously mentioned documents. During the Island's Trust

[1:35:51] Voice 25: visit, the visit you made in 2025, our professional biologists explained why soft armory would

[1:35:57] Voice 25: not work at length, but apparently was ignored in the current report. Notably, the Island's

[1:36:05] Voice 25: trust professional biologist who generated these arguments was not present for that site visit

[1:36:09] Voice 25: in fact as far as we know has never physically visited our site and that may explain why would

[1:36:16] Voice 25: i consider some of the absurdity of her statements let me say a little bit more about soft armor

[1:36:22] Voice 25: approach that staff repeatedly asserts we have not considered because it's very germane to the

[1:36:27] Voice 25: a recommendation denied.

[1:36:30] Voice 25: Point

[1:36:30] Voice 3: of order, Chair.

[1:36:31] Voice 3: This is RPM Jamarat speaking.

[1:36:33] Voice 25: Go ahead.

[1:36:37] Trustee Maude (probable): Hello, Chair.

[1:36:39] Voice 3: My advice

[1:36:40] Voice 3: at this particular time, if

[1:36:43] Voice 3: there is a question about application

[1:36:45] Voice 3: process, which

[1:36:47] Voice 3: I'm hearing from the applicant,

[1:36:49] Voice 3: that is a matter separate

[1:36:51] Voice 3: from the consideration of

[1:36:53] Voice 3: the decision

[1:36:55] Voice 3: before you on the agenda.

[1:36:58] Voice 3: So,

[1:36:58] Voice 3: So those comments are appropriate for me to direct, for the applicant to direct to me through a separate matter, not for this public meeting.

[1:37:09] Voice 3: So, my advice to the Chair to consider is to hear information related to the application

[1:37:16] Voice 3: content and the process.

[1:37:20] Voice 3: Any questions about the process, information and concerns, be directed to me, please, in

[1:37:25] Voice 3: a separate call opportunity, but not through this.

[1:37:29] Voice 3: It wouldn't be appropriate to talk about this through this open meeting for the decision.

[1:37:35] Trustee Maude (probable): Okay, thank you.

[1:37:36] Trustee Maude (probable): So we can just stick to the application, please.

[1:37:40] Trustee Maude (probable): I am. I'm trying to.

[1:37:42] Trustee Maude (probable): Yeah, we understand your frustration,

[1:37:45] Trustee Maude (probable): but we're trying to get a path forward for you.

[1:37:50] Voice 25: Actually, our shoreline currently is a fully soft-armoured shoreline

[1:37:56] Voice 25: with no hard armour of any sort.

[1:37:59] Voice 25: We have not only considered soft armouring,

[1:38:03] Voice 25: but have real-world experience with it.

[1:38:06] Voice 25: Once the barrier logs had provided some degree of protection in a structural way in that climate-driven 2022 evulsion event, the foreshore reverted to the soft-armoured, vegetated shoreline that staff seems to think we do not consider.

[1:38:23] Voice 25: This soft-barbering shoreline stabilization has demonstrably failed, as repeatedly pointed out in both verbal and written commentation, and it's buried deeply in that report that you've, my analysis you have in your package.

[1:38:46] Voice 17: We

[1:38:47] Voice 25: asked a Green Shore certified contractor to replace the barrier logs, but he refused, saying that in his experience and knowledge of the site conditions, it would be impossible to secure them adequately.

[1:39:04] Voice 25: So not only have we considered the software alternatives that staff asks us to do, we have actually experienced them, and they have proven totally inadequate.

[1:39:13] Voice 25: Even more significantly, staff has acknowledged that the soft armoring approach is inadequate for our corridor of Lock Bay.

[1:39:24] Voice 25: Let me quote from their 2025 report where, quote,

[1:39:29] Voice 25: Islands Trust staff consulted with the Green Shores for Homes program staff

[1:39:35] Voice 25: and determined that the site topography and wave energy is such that it is not considered a candidate for Green Shores for Home nature-based shoreline protection.

[1:39:46] Voice 25: The geotechnical report confirms that the shoreline requires a robust, hard-arboring approach to withstand the wave energy and logs in Glock Bay."

[1:40:00] Voice 25: That's their words, not mine.

[1:40:03] Voice 25: That this finding does not appear in your staff in the community port before you, I find deeply disturbing and prejudicial.

[1:40:11] Voice 25: I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but that's a fact.

[1:40:15] Voice 25: Let me say a little bit more about Green Shores for Homes, since the package that you've been presented with implies that we have disregarded this agency's recommendations.

[1:40:28] Voice 25: This, too, is not true.

[1:40:30] Voice 25: In the past year, we arranged a site visit by Green Shores for Homes specialist Kelly Locke, who saw no viable alternative to the one we proposed.

[1:40:40] Voice 25: She also praised our desire to establish a living shoreline with a hybrid revegetated

[1:40:48] Voice 25: revetment with the statement, you are on the right path.

[1:40:52] Voice 25: To learn more, I even took the Green Shores training course.

[1:40:56] Voice 25: It was held at the local Islands Trust offices and was disappointed that our staff, our planners

[1:41:05] Voice 25: did not participate in it.

[1:41:06] Voice 25: that this course reinforced what I already knew about our group.

[1:41:12] Voice 25: This sounds like a criticism that I am trying to guess at work.

[1:41:15] Voice 16: I don't know if you can speak to all of the education

[1:41:18] Voice 16: that staff has undertaken.

[1:41:19] Voice 16: That is not within the scope of this application.

[1:41:21] Voice 16: I appreciate that you've taken the Green Shores course,

[1:41:24] Voice 16: but calling into question the professionalism

[1:41:27] Voice 16: in the education of staff is not appropriate for this meeting.

[1:41:31] Voice 16: As the RPM said, that is a question for the RPM.

[1:41:35] Voice 16: We are not here to adjudicate that.

[1:41:37] Voice 16: We cannot speak to that.

[1:41:38] Voice 16: i

[1:41:38] Voice 25: understand that i understand that

[1:41:39] Voice 25: but i think he in evaluating the the process the package that

[1:41:45] Voice 25: in front of you need to hear the facts you just simply need to hear that

[1:41:49] Voice 16: perspective is valued

[1:41:50] Voice 16: and we want to hear that we do not not accept any attacks on our stuff that is just not acceptable

[1:42:00] Voice 25: i i don't think i'm attacking staff i'm pointing out where they have made errors in my i i

[1:42:06] Voice 25: And Kelly Locke also provided us with a completed Green Shores for Homes credits and ratings guide for our site.

[1:42:16] Voice 25: The potential score for our project scored 48, which is impressively high at the top of the whole level, the highest rating.

[1:42:25] Voice 25: I emphasize that it was Kelly Locke, who's head of the program, and an approved professional shoreline assessor, not me, completed this form.

[1:42:35] Voice 25: I communicate the results of the site visit and assessment score despite statements to the contrary indeed in the report before you.

[1:42:45] Voice 25: One final observation which is relevant regarding Green Shores and the design that is being presented to you.

[1:42:52] Voice 25: John Hessels, the professional who oversaw our geotechnical report, was the first recipient of a Green Shores for Homes certification for his shoreline stabilization design of a property in Oregon Beach, a design essentially identical to the one that we propose.

[1:43:11] Voice 25: What better professional could we possibly have hired?

[1:43:13] Voice 25: Now, if I were sitting in your place and were to accept the package that's in front of me as accurate and factual, I would deny the application.

[1:43:26] Voice 25: After all, as you've been pointing out to me, and as Susan Yates said to my wife, trustees must be careful not to step on the toes of staff.

[1:43:37] Voice 25: I appreciate that.

[1:43:38] Voice 25: However, in my professional opinion, and that of every other professional and interested partner that I've consulted with, most of the comments in the report before you are either false or misleading.

[1:43:53] Voice 25: Staff has made it abundantly clear to me that they do not have the responsibility of approving this recommendation.

[1:44:00] Voice 25: Chair,

[1:44:01] Voice 3: point of order, please.

[1:44:02] Voice 25: Go ahead.

[1:44:03] Voice 25: If

[1:44:05] Voice 3: the applicant can speak to the concerns that he has regarding the content of the application and not speak to process or staff opinion, that would help for clarity. Thank you.

[1:44:17] Voice 3: Thank you.

[1:44:20] Voice 25: To be abundantly clear to me, my opinion is the staff is not brought to the responsibility.

[1:44:28] Voice 25: That would solve the problem if we were simply to walk away and withdraw the application.

[1:44:34] Voice 25: That would solve the problem, but the environment would continue to degrade.

[1:44:38] Voice 25: I keep asking myself, why is it the opposition to this mitigation activity?

[1:44:44] Voice 25: We're trying to protect a three-meter strip of natural vegetation.

[1:44:47] Voice 25: That's our goal.

[1:44:48] Voice 25: I suggest is because we're for whatever reason unable or unwilling to accept the concept of

[1:44:56] Voice 25: mitigation unless it's mitigation of actions that we take instead instead the process lumps

[1:45:05] Voice 25: mitigation from outside damage into a development process this brings me back to the start of my

[1:45:11] Voice 25: my statement you as trustees face a much bigger decision than simply approving or denying our

[1:45:17] Voice 25: our application. There must be a better way for Ireland's Trust to deal with residents

[1:45:22] Voice 25: who are trying to do the honourable thing, trying to protect and preserve the unique

[1:45:27] Voice 25: environment of their property, rather than lumping them in with property development

[1:45:33] Voice 25: applications, a process which inevitably leads to conflict. These conflicts will undoubtedly

[1:45:40] Voice 25: What would we accelerate as climate change impacts increase?

[1:45:45] Voice 25: As I see it, labeling mitigation as development puts the landowner on an unnecessarily expensive,

[1:45:53] Voice 25: tortuous, and frustrating path, the same path as is required for speculative property development,

[1:46:00] Voice 25: such as a parking lot, building, or other structure.

[1:46:03] Voice 25: Declaring straightforward rock landscaping as structures, as I originally proposed,

[1:46:09] Voice 25: results in treating the mitigation activity in the same manner as you have in a marina, new home, ferry, or roadworks.

[1:46:20] Voice 25: But surely there's a difference between a natural rock landscape and a marina, new home, ferry, or roadwork.

[1:46:28] Voice 25: Even though the private owner may be trying to preserve and protect the unique environment he or she owns,

[1:46:33] Voice 25: the current approach by Islands Trust leads to counterproductive results,

[1:46:40] Voice 25: consequences that are at odds with the Islands Trust's managing

[1:46:44] Voice 25: to preserve and protect the unique environment.

[1:46:49] Voice 25: This last point of counterproductive outcomes consistently gets swept aside

[1:46:55] Voice 25: by the development permit process and deserves to be emphasized.

[1:47:01] Voice 25: The current DDP process focuses strictly on the potential hazards of the mitigation activity

[1:47:10] Voice 25: itself which I want to clearly state again are negligible or even provide net benefit

[1:47:16] Voice 25: for our project as stated in the EIA.

[1:47:19] Voice 25: In this process there is no room for or consideration of the hazards of not undertaking the mitigation.

[1:47:27] Voice 25: So what are these consequences of not carrying out mitigation for our case?

[1:47:33] Voice 25: Without shoreline stabilization, in just four short years, we already have a waterfront

[1:47:40] Voice 25: that, one, has lost about three meters of low-lying embankment to North Bay, all during

[1:47:46] Voice 25: winter avulsion events.

[1:47:48] Voice 25: Two, lost all shoreline stabilization against impact of climate-driven storms during winter

[1:47:54] Voice 25: high tides.

[1:47:55] Voice 25: Three, is almost completely denuded of the pre-existing vegetation with the loss of the associated small animal and bird habitat.

[1:48:05] Voice 25: Four, deposited huge impacts of sediment into Lock Bay.

[1:48:10] Voice 25: Five, has irrevocably changed negatively the visual appearance of the shorelines, both from the sea and from the land.

[1:48:18] Voice 25: Six, totally destroyed any access to the beach.

[1:48:22] Voice 25: 7. Threaten large trees further up the bank by undercutting their root systems.

[1:48:28] Voice 25: And 8. Introduce life-threatening conditions.

[1:48:32] Voice 25: These are some of the impacts of not carrying out any mitigation activity that we have already seen,

[1:48:38] Voice 25: and there are others, and there will be more to come in the future.

[1:48:43] Voice 25: But I must expand a little on that last consequence, life-threatening conditions,

[1:48:48] Voice 25: because I saw your eyebrows go up as mine did. I didn't think that was right. I have already

[1:48:54] Voice 25: mentioned one, the concern about the undercutting of the large trees and the dangers they may

[1:48:59] Voice 25: eventually fall, but there is more. Last June, we became of a more serious implications of losing

[1:49:06] Voice 25: beach access. There are only two evacuation routes from our home, one from the beach,

[1:49:13] Voice 25: which is a wide expanse, and along the strand at the end of this single-access winding road.

[1:49:21] Voice 25: In the case of an environmental catastrophe, such as a fire in the adjacent Sand Hall Park,

[1:49:28] Voice 25: we would have to rely on one of these two evacuation routes. Recent emergency preparedness

[1:49:35] Voice 25: drills highlighted the breach as the recommended and safest route. Last June, this was proven to

[1:49:42] Voice 25: to be true. When Karen, my wife, suffered in a medical emergency, a stroke induced by the stress

[1:49:49] Voice 25: of this DVP process, the first responders ordered in a helicopter ambulance, which easily landed on

[1:49:57] Voice 25: our beach, but they couldn't get access to our property directly. Our property's lack of beach

[1:50:04] Voice 25: access forced them to trespass and use the neighbor's stairs, which remained viable only

[1:50:10] Voice 25: because of their revetment, a revetment that has been deemed unlawful by Island's Trust.

[1:50:17] Voice 25: If Island's Trust had been successful in denying their DVP and forced them to remove the revetment...

[1:50:25] Voice 16: Sir, again, you're speaking about something outside of the application and...

[1:50:30] Voice 16: I

[1:50:30] Voice 25: think it's very relevant...

[1:50:32] Voice 16: It's another man-owner's issue.

[1:50:34] Voice 25: Let me finish the statement. Karen may not be alive had that revetment been removed.

[1:50:39] Voice 25: I think that's relevant to say why we need and where we need protection.

[1:50:45] Voice 25: In closing, I want to state that I have no expectation of seeing the DVP application

[1:50:51] Voice 25: approved given staff's recommendations to you.

[1:50:55] Voice 25: Even if it were approved, the costs have escalated from our original estimate of $10,000 to $20,000

[1:51:01] Voice 25: to well over $150,000.

[1:51:04] Voice 25: Four years have gone by.

[1:51:06] Voice 25: It's got more expensive.

[1:51:07] Voice 25: And this does not even include the additional $50,000 to $100,000 in consultation fees that staff now demands of us.

[1:51:17] Voice 25: There is no way we're going to take this on. There's no way.

[1:51:21] Voice 25: Whether you approve this application or not, I will put in an emergency escape route to the beach.

[1:51:28] Voice 25: In the absence of shoreline protection, it will need to be a robust structure

[1:51:32] Voice 25: of concrete or steel or metal of some form, not the environmentally friendly approach we originally

[1:51:39] Voice 25: envisaged. I have no intention of again trying to obtain staff's approval with another application.

[1:51:45] Voice 25: I will not subject myself to that process again. If staff's game plan is being to make us give up

[1:51:56] Voice 25: former attempts to restore excuse

[1:51:58] Voice 16: me chair rpm

[1:51:59] Voice 25: gem right here we've

[1:52:01] Voice 16: already asked several times

[1:52:05] Voice 16: to not make personal comments about staff's intention that is unacceptable sir okay

[1:52:12] Voice 25: make no mistake there are there are losers in this process one the environment that we all

[1:52:20] Voice 25: seek to preserve and protect two violence trust itself i've already explained how the environment

[1:52:27] Voice 25: Ireland loses, but you may wonder how Ireland's trust is a loser, simply by failing, in this

[1:52:34] Voice 25: case at least, to meet its mandate, and thus avoiding credibility amongst its client base.

[1:52:41] Voice 25: You must be aware that many Ireland residents are becoming increasingly angry, and that

[1:52:48] Voice 25: there is a groundswell movement to get rid of the organization.

[1:52:52] Voice 25: I have not joined this groundswell, and I do not intend to, because I do believe in

[1:52:57] Voice 25: the mandate of the Islanders' Trust. I also believe that you, the trustees, who are recognizing

[1:53:02] Voice 25: you upon a professional bureaucrats are trying your best to fulfill this mandate. However,

[1:53:09] Voice 25: my personal experience over the past four years has convinced me that the process is failing,

[1:53:15] Voice 25: and I don't believe the same things about Islanders' Trust staff. You probably noticed this.

[1:53:22] Voice 25: rather than helping us to resolve the threat.

[1:53:29] Voice 25: Sir, if you could just include your remarks about this.

[1:53:32] Voice 25: Let me just say, I don't agree with trying to get rid of the Ireland's Trust.

[1:53:38] Voice 25: I agree passionately with the Ireland's Trust mandate

[1:53:45] Voice 25: formulated by my godmother, Mary Brown,

[1:53:48] Voice 25: reserved to protect the unique environment we all enjoy.

[1:53:52] Voice 25: joy. Ending Iowa's trust, I fear, would be to throw the baby with the bathwater. It would be

[1:53:58] Voice 25: better, I suggest, to change a service operandi and change the bathwater. That's all I have to

[1:54:05] Voice 25: say. Thank you very much.

[1:54:09] Voice 15: Chairman, Professor leads us at this point. Okay,

[1:54:13] Trustee Maude (probable): so we have a half

[1:54:15] Trustee Maude (probable): hour break, 1230. So you want to get our rate? Okay,

[1:54:20] Trustee Maude (probable): so we'll

[1:54:22] Trustee Maude (probable): reconvene at 12 to five.

[2:26:15] Trustee Maude (probable): We are reconvening,

[2:26:17] Voice 17: so

[2:26:18] Trustee Maude (probable): we are continuing on with the application PLVBP4-0-299-TRUSTLEADS, if you wish to proceed.

[2:26:33] Trustee Yates (probable): Well, maybe I'll speak first.

[2:26:36] Trustee Yates (probable): I would like to support the staff recommendation that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[2:26:42] Trustee Yates (probable): committee deny development variant permit application PLD VP 202 40299 mainly because

[2:26:52] Trustee Yates (probable): I have a file that goes all the way back to 2021 with um neighboring hard shoring revetments that

[2:27:01] Trustee Yates (probable): have caused environmental damage that have been put in without the required permits and that have

[2:27:12] Trustee Yates (probable): have caused concern for the natural resources officer,

[2:27:15] Trustee Yates (probable): ground land, and also the Department of Fisheries

[2:27:18] Trustee Yates (probable): and Pollutions.

[2:27:21] Trustee Yates (probable): And so here we are today with a third request

[2:27:29] Trustee Yates (probable): to put in a revetment, a hard shoring revetment

[2:27:33] Trustee Yates (probable): with some green shoring mixed in.

[2:27:36] Trustee Yates (probable): But the fact is the two neighboring ones

[2:27:40] Trustee Yates (probable): do not have the required permits.

[2:27:42] Trustee Yates (probable): and for all we know they could be causing a lot of the the wave action and shoreline activity that is

[2:27:51] Trustee Yates (probable): part of climate change we know and part of some of the severe storms that we've experienced in

[2:27:57] Trustee Yates (probable): the last few years but when you've got that much hard shoring along an enclosed area like that

[2:28:08] Trustee Yates (probable): is just going to be damaging. This is a really important forage fish area, we know that.

[2:28:14] Trustee Yates (probable): It's just around the corner from some very important eelgrass beds. And we also have a

[2:28:19] Trustee Yates (probable): letter on file from the name of First Nation that states they're concerned that this is

[2:28:26] Trustee Yates (probable): an area with high, high cultural sensitivity. And when we did our site visit in January of

[2:28:34] Trustee Yates (probable): of 2025, was it?

[2:28:37] Trustee Yates (probable): Yeah.

[2:28:38] Trustee Yates (probable): Our fellow trustee, Chair Luckum,

[2:28:42] Trustee Yates (probable): found an artifact right there on the .

[2:28:48] Trustee Yates (probable): So I'm really concerned.

[2:28:50] Trustee Yates (probable): These sensitive shorelines, they inherently

[2:28:53] Trustee Yates (probable): intersect with areas of high archaeological and cultural

[2:28:57] Trustee Yates (probable): potential.

[2:28:58] Trustee Yates (probable): And the thought of heavy equipment running across

[2:29:01] Trustee Yates (probable): or shore managing large boulders and whatever else they want to combine with the large hard showing

[2:29:12] Voice 21: yeah

[2:29:13] Trustee Yates (probable): i just think that's a really bad idea i know they're very concerned about the structure

[2:29:19] Trustee Yates (probable): that's being undermined like we've seen it we've done the site visit the structure is a deck that

[2:29:26] Trustee Yates (probable): is separate from the house it's not their house their house is a long way back from the shoreline

[2:29:33] Trustee Yates (probable): And yes, climate change is going to, in the next 20, 30 years, yes, that debt will be gone.

[2:29:40] Trustee Yates (probable): It wouldn't matter what you put in front.

[2:29:45] Trustee Yates (probable): It wouldn't matter what you put.

[2:29:46] Trustee Yates (probable): In fact, other than a huge, giant cement structure, it would be horrible for the environment.

[2:29:54] Trustee Yates (probable): That debt will be gone in the next 30 days.

[2:29:57] Trustee Yates (probable): I greatly respect...

[2:30:00] Trustee Yates (probable): the staff reports. They're thorough, they're comprehensive, they give good advice, and

[2:30:06] Trustee Yates (probable): especially having our own biologists on staff to tell us that this will have a negative impact on

[2:30:15] Trustee Yates (probable): you. So I support the recognition and I thank the staff for your very diligent work on this

[2:30:27] Trustee Yates (probable): project. And in a way

[2:30:29] Trustee Yates (probable): I'm really sorry that it's

[2:30:30] Trustee Yates (probable): connected to the two neighboring

[2:30:32] Trustee Yates (probable): properties. And there was

[2:30:35] Trustee Yates (probable): some problems with those as

[2:30:37] Trustee Yates (probable): well. But this application

[2:30:39] Trustee Yates (probable): stands in.

[2:30:41] Voice 17: Ms. Gillian?

[2:30:46] Voice 16: Yeah, it's really hard to

[2:30:48] Voice 16: absorb all the context

[2:30:50] Voice 16: at once. You framed

[2:30:52] Voice 16: a lot of the issues and

[2:30:54] Voice 16: concerns that I share.

[2:30:58] Voice 16: I guess my

[2:30:59] Voice 16: question and i wish the applicant was still here because i had questions for them about

[2:31:05] Voice 16: i think they mentioned the brain divorce professional that they

[2:31:11] Voice 16: talked to and i wanted to understand if there was a difference between um i think their

[2:31:19] Voice 16: recommendation uh i have seen the green shores proposal and it's an extensive sort of process

[2:31:30] Voice 16: And it doesn't, it's not easy to do the right thing on a sensitive shoreline with so many intersecting values.

[2:31:43] Voice 16: values the um just seeing that report from from Thetis of the wave action and how much analysis

[2:31:52] Voice 16: is needed to understand when you hard armor something how it changes the coastal processes

[2:31:59] Voice 16: and creates more consequences for neighboring shores and so one of my questions was well

[2:32:05] Voice 16: the the armoring that has been done without a permit without a permit and you know just

[2:32:13] Voice 16: just appeared and is you want to talk visual impairment I mean just looking from um Sandwell

[2:32:19] Voice 16: across there's a there's a rock wall now it doesn't it may grow in and kind of be natural

[2:32:25] Voice 16: but it wasn't done um with the proper permits in place and with all the attending professional

[2:32:33] Voice 16: advice and reports and so that could be creating impacts on this property um and we don't know

[2:32:40] Voice 16: know that because there's no coastal processes reporting but I want to speak to maybe a little

[2:32:50] Voice 16: bit larger why the process is the way it is we are in some might call it a bureaucracy

[2:32:56] Voice 16: but we are an agency that must refer to other agencies to do our work to protect and preserve

[2:33:03] Voice 16: in the trust area we have to get information from you know many professionals in different fields

[2:33:10] Voice 16: and all of that information is layered together and our planners interpret it and they bring it

[2:33:16] Voice 16: to us and we use our best judgment we are not professionals who can um not a geotech but

[2:33:24] Voice 16: the planners are the ones that layer this information together it's important to respect

[2:33:30] Voice 16: the um the information that we're provided with and if there's not enough information we ask for

[2:33:36] Voice 16: more um i think it is this one's very difficult because the i was not known i was here um he has

[2:33:46] Voice 16: a lot of professional background in some areas that inform how he sees things but i just want

[2:33:52] Voice 16: to speak to the process for a little bit if his background was different um a chef cook

[2:34:03] Voice 16: something not environmental related we would need these professional reports we would need

[2:34:09] Voice 16: the landowner to unfortunately go through the process and pay for all this information so that

[2:34:16] Voice 16: we can make the right decision and so to say that we're not accepting um we're not prepared

[2:34:23] Voice 16: to accept an applicant's words for what is the best approach over the reports that are being

[2:34:32] Voice 16: presented for consideration is not equitable i mean we can't pick and choose and say your

[2:34:38] Voice 16: your professional background you know that means we we don't need these reports and i'm it's

[2:34:44] Voice 16: unfortunate and i'm i'm very sorry to be in this position that we have to have these layers of

[2:34:52] Voice 16: regulation causing um hardship in some cases in terms of cost and time stress and anxiety and i

[2:35:02] Voice 16: want to acknowledge that it's very stressful and it's uh and it it was evident from what we heard

[2:35:08] Voice 16: today but we can't bypass the the necessary information uh to understand who's the right

[2:35:18] Voice 16: coach so um

[2:35:21] Voice 22: this

[2:35:23] Voice 16: isn't 1974 or 1990 we are here right now and there are many many considerations

[2:35:30] Voice 16: to take into account so I would love to find a way forward though that isn't denying the application

[2:35:38] Voice 16: or I'm not ready to approve it today definitely we have policies in our OCP about that speak

[2:35:49] Voice 16: specifically to consulting is the manifestation the archaeology branch and prior to the initiation of

[2:35:59] Voice 16: any future development which may impact on a non-archaeological site that's cited on page 31

[2:36:04] Voice 16: of the report you know it well that's been in place long before trustee gates live well you

[2:36:11] Voice 16: were were

[2:36:11] Voice 16: you in office when that was that was put into the ocean back in the day um and they've

[2:36:18] Voice 16: given uh sorry the first nation has given their views that um there's a lot of potential damage

[2:36:26] Voice 16: that could occur if this goes ahead as the proponent is proposing and they have concerns.

[2:36:36] Voice 16: So I would like to acknowledge that and say can we pause and establish a, find a path

[2:36:46] Voice 16: working together if the applicant is willing. I want to note that this is the name of First

[2:36:59] Voice 16: Nation are asking for archaeological monitoring if unless if there is not an AIA so those are

[2:37:07] Voice 16: going to be costs and I mean I'm not prepared to make a decision today but I don't I don't want to

[2:37:17] Voice 16: throw out all this work and you know the last thing that you said also in the world is build a

[2:37:26] Voice 16: concrete path to the to the shore and and i don't want to force somebody into taking that kind of

[2:37:33] Voice 16: action that's um you know very ill-advised and not going to solve anything so so trustee alia

[2:37:41] Trustee Yates (probable): the rationale for the staff recommendation actually contains suggestions that the applicant

[2:37:49] Trustee Yates (probable): could do for us to help in this process and i understand their frustration that it's yet

[2:37:57] Trustee Yates (probable): again another thing that they they need to do but they haven't done they haven't done an

[2:38:02] Trustee Yates (probable): archaeological impact assessment it's not been conducted

[2:38:05] Voice 17: that

[2:38:07] Trustee Yates (probable): could be done they haven't had

[2:38:10] Trustee Yates (probable): professional registered biologist advice related to hard shore armoring and the

[2:38:20] Trustee Yates (probable): mitigation of impacts and the suitability of alternatives has not

[2:38:25] Trustee Yates (probable): really been provided so that the actual green shore guide it has all sorts of

[2:38:34] Trustee Yates (probable): alternatives and they could be working with a registered professional

[2:38:38] Trustee Yates (probable): biologists to see if the actual Green Shore Guide could provide some

[2:38:47] Trustee Yates (probable): mitigation for the erosion of their shore. It won't be the same as hard

[2:38:53] Trustee Yates (probable): armoring. It will be very different.

[2:38:56] Voice 6: It will

[2:38:57] Trustee Yates (probable): have to include some hardy local shrubs.

[2:39:01] Trustee Yates (probable): But again, in a really high tide and big storms we get, you can see that that bank

[2:39:08] Trustee Yates (probable): it's it's going to be eroded over the next 30 years the house will be fine the deck will probably be

[2:39:16] Trustee Yates (probable): gone so

[2:39:18] Voice 16: um so i have a question about the environmental impact assessment itself this

[2:39:23] Voice 16: is produced by a company that are fisheries resource consultants and it does seem comprehensive

[2:39:30] Voice 16: hands of could um did the advice that we get on this report is is that it's not extensive enough

[2:39:42] Voice 16: sort of help me understand um how does this report lack in the assessment sure

[2:39:54] Voice 9: absolutely

[2:39:55] Voice 9: through the chair the this report was provided to the registered professional biologist that we had

[2:40:02] Voice 9: on staff and um and they identified essentially that there's some information that is missing

[2:40:08] Voice 9: from the report that would um and so and that information is um listed on page 32 of the agenda

[2:40:20] Voice 9: the package but um the yeah so one of them would be an analysis of the sediment transport

[2:40:27] Voice 9: and natural storyline processes um assessing the cumulative effects of the shoreline armoring

[2:40:34] Voice 9: across the bay um and potentially impacts on eelgrass spreads and broader coastal habitat

[2:40:40] Voice 9: changes uh acknowledged the report did not acknowledge known potential harms from armoring

[2:40:46] Voice 9: shorelines did not provide mitigation strategies for potential arms and it did not include any

[2:40:54] Voice 9: rationale this is speaking to the professional report which did not include rationale for why

[2:40:59] Voice 9: this design was chosen under a soft curve

[2:41:01] Voice 15: that's true i do not have to three point six

[2:41:10] Trustee Yates (probable): clearly part of the difficulty is that there are known potential harms from armoring shorelines

[2:41:16] Trustee Yates (probable): we've seen them. They actually exist right next door to this applicant's property. But the problem

[2:41:23] Trustee Yates (probable): is the applicant thinks that doing the same thing as his neighbors will ensure his property will be

[2:41:31] Trustee Yates (probable): protected. It might, but it will also ensure the destruction of that shoreline in different ways,

[2:41:41] Trustee Yates (probable): which is the reason that these other two properties are still on file.

[2:41:47] Voice 16: I think what concerns me is most is the cumulative effects in the bay and particularly from the eel

[2:41:55] Voice 16: grass. That is a very important protected bay and the

[2:42:03] Trustee Yates (probable): forage fish which I always think about

[2:42:05] Trustee Yates (probable): the forage fish who spawn in the level

[2:42:09] Voice 16: of the sand. So I don't know I feel like we're

[2:42:13] Voice 16: at quandary to ask for more information at this point is you

[2:42:22] Voice 22: know sounds like it would be onerous

[2:42:26] Voice 22: um i

[2:42:34] Voice 16: wanted to ask a little bit more about the green shores um professional they have talked to

[2:42:40] Voice 16: um is was information provided any other approaches that they've investigated

[2:42:50] Voice 9: through the chair of the the admin provided what i've included as attachment

[2:42:56] Voice 9: and included it as attachment five that's what the applicant provided to me

[2:43:05] it

[2:43:06] Voice 5: did not include i

[2:43:08] Voice 9: didn't receive anything from a great insurance professional

[2:43:13] Voice 17: aside

[2:43:14] Voice 9: from the reports that are attached here so there's a report from a great

[2:43:18] Voice 9: see a professional biologist or reporter from GM Tech.

[2:43:37] Trustee Maude (probable): So you're leaning towards the recommendation of

[2:43:42] Trustee Maude (probable): requesting more information?

[2:43:45] Voice 16: At this point that's

[2:43:48] Voice 16: my inclination and we can ask and if they're willing to

[2:43:57] Voice 16: to continue to engage in the process and provide that information that would be

[2:44:01] Voice 16: I think that would definitely help us both make a decision.

[2:44:10] Trustee Maude (probable): Well,

[2:44:11] Trustee Yates (probable): yes, because in fact, I mean, I don't want to outright deny them either.

[2:44:14] Trustee Yates (probable): I just know that if they go ahead with this plan, it will not be good and it will only

[2:44:19] Trustee Yates (probable): encourage more people right there to do the same thing, which is not certainly DFO doesn't

[2:44:26] Trustee Yates (probable): approve of it.

[2:44:27] Trustee Yates (probable): Neither does the Natural Resources Ministry approve of this.

[2:44:33] Trustee Yates (probable): It's a traditional way of protecting your shoreline,

[2:44:37] Trustee Yates (probable): but it's not acceptable anymore.

[2:44:40] Trustee Maude (probable): But I thought I saw a DFO letter there.

[2:44:44] Trustee Yates (probable): Yes, you did.

[2:44:45] Trustee Yates (probable): It goes back to 2021 saying that they cannot issue a fine

[2:44:50] Trustee Yates (probable): for inappropriate structures, which are next door.

[2:44:57] Trustee Yates (probable): But the Islands Trust had at that point already levied fines

[2:45:01] Trustee Yates (probable): and they were paid.

[2:45:03] Trustee Maude (probable): I just asked, what's another

[2:45:05] Trustee Maude (probable): letter from vehicles

[2:45:07] Trustee Maude (probable): not expressing

[2:45:09] Trustee Maude (probable): concerns?

[2:45:11] Voice 9: This would scroll down, but there is

[2:45:13] Voice 9: it's attached to one of the professional reports

[2:45:17] Voice 9: that

[2:45:17] Voice 9: the environment will impact assessment

[2:45:19] Voice 5: and it

[2:45:22] Voice 9: starts on page 67

[2:45:23] Voice 9: of the agenda package.

[2:45:38] Voice 16: I mean,

[2:45:38] Voice 16: it's interesting because thanks for pointing that out

[2:45:40] Voice 16: because the recommendation is

[2:45:42] Voice 16: is to retain qualified environmental professionals,

[2:45:45] Voice 16: to conduct environmental monitoring,

[2:45:49] Voice 16: survey support zone areas.

[2:45:51] Voice 16: I don't think it's just an outright,

[2:45:54] Voice 16: there will be no impacts that you have to monitor

[2:45:58] Voice 16: and limit the footprint of everything.

[2:46:04] Voice 16: I don't think there's a, that's not included in the plan.

[2:46:08] Voice 16: And again, I'm referencing a different application process

[2:46:13] Voice 16: that I've seen, but there was a whole management plan to how the work was going to be undertaken

[2:46:20] Voice 16: so that you're not driving up a sensitive area. So I think the other agencies are saying

[2:46:27] Voice 16: that that's, you know, it says provided you incorporate these measures into your plan,

[2:46:33] Voice 16: the program is in the view that your proposal is not likely to result in the contravention

[2:46:36] Voice 16: of the above mentioned prohibition. So it's not, you know, it's not going to have an impact,

[2:46:42] Voice 16: Act is just a list of 17 things that you need to do.

[2:46:48] Voice 16: So yeah, I think the application as it stands

[2:46:51] Voice 16: is insufficient for the reasons you've mentioned in the report.

[2:46:56] Voice 16: And for the concerns, well, that the name of First Nation

[2:47:00] Voice 16: has stated they'd like to see an AIA or an archaeologist on site.

[2:47:06] Voice 16: So there's more work to be done.

[2:47:09] Voice 16: So my recommendation is to ask for more information

[2:47:13] Voice 16: and see where we go.

[2:47:17] Trustee Yates (probable): No, we should be specific about what we're advocating for

[2:47:20] Trustee Yates (probable): because it's like a conditional denial or acceptance of this proposal.

[2:47:28] Trustee Yates (probable): So really what we're asking them for is the things that their EIA report is missing.

[2:47:38] Trustee Yates (probable): And those would be the six bullets that Planner Bob mentioned a few minutes ago

[2:47:43] Trustee Yates (probable): that's on page three of the application.

[2:47:53] Trustee Yates (probable): And plus, this doesn't even talk about the archaeological assessment that would be required.

[2:48:04] Voice 16: So how might we give direction that they should engage in the AIA process or follow the recommendations?

[2:48:18] Voice 9: So as far as, you can request them to provide an archaeological impact assessment,

[2:48:26] Voice 5: that

[2:48:27] Voice 9: would be the alternative one, requiring that they have monitoring while they are constructing

[2:48:39] Voice 9: the rock art and anything that would need to refer back to you on, that could be a condition

[2:48:46] Voice 9: or if there's a way that that could be required to be part of a covenant,

[2:48:52] Voice 5: or the means to do that.

[2:48:57] Voice 16: So they need to propose a plan for whether to go with an AIA or a monitoring site.

[2:49:07] Voice 16: Just to deal with that, I mean the environmental deficiencies in the

[2:49:11] Trustee Yates (probable): report are more clear.

[2:49:13] Trustee Yates (probable): I'm trying to I mean the biggest one for me besides the AI record is why their design was

[2:49:22] Trustee Yates (probable): chosen over a softer green forest approach and I think it's because they they do believe that a hard

[2:49:30] Trustee Yates (probable): block development will work but it means having heavy equipment run over the beach in order to

[2:49:38] Trustee Yates (probable): do that so the boulders that they will need to use are not right above so you can't just roll

[2:49:44] Trustee Yates (probable): I mean ideally it would be nice if we could ask them to take a different approach but not make

[2:50:08] Trustee Yates (probable): it so onerous that they won't even consider it because I understand the frustration with the

[2:50:13] Trustee Yates (probable): process I

[2:50:23] Voice 22: don't sense a question but through

[2:50:25] Voice 9: the chair this is they have they have made an

[2:50:28] Voice 9: application with these plans so but if you would like some additional information um then you know

[2:50:34] Voice 9: it's pretty much soft and that could um i

[2:50:40] Voice 5: thought the applicants would provide that information i'd

[2:50:56] Voice 16: like to know is whether we would be able to trust many of us the applicants against trust

[2:51:05] Voice 16: additional information about

[2:51:09] Voice 15: how they're proposed to plan

[2:51:14] Voice 15: and the six environmental

[2:51:23] Voice 16: criteria or

[2:51:26] Voice 15: factors listed on page three of the staff report.

[2:51:38] Voice 15: Mr. and Mrs. Staff report on the date and location of the location.

[2:51:51] Trustee Maude (probable): You just want to copy and paste and put them into the motion.

[2:51:53] Trustee Maude (probable): It

[2:51:54] Voice 16: will be very long, and it also says it does not provide justification for the proposed

[2:52:01] Voice 16: development.

[2:52:02] Voice 16: Like, asking them to provide justification for the proposed development and to address

[2:52:10] Voice 16: the one, two, three, four, five, six factors identified by the Ostroth's biologist could

[2:52:24] Voice 16: be deficient

[2:52:25] Voice 15: in current environmental impact sentiment is that

[2:52:30] Voice 15: sound there

[2:52:34] Voice 9: is the um that

[2:52:37] Voice 9: may be sufficient if it's right back but the um the alternative is is that the gabriel trust

[2:52:44] Voice 9: committee requested yeah and submit the island's trust and then you can describe the information

[2:52:48] Voice 9: You may just need to do it in a form there to say, here, I'm going to give this one a consistency test.

[2:52:57] Voice 9: It may be worth considering whether you would like that in a professional report under a staff concealment for a professional,

[2:53:03] Voice 9: or if you do not, then that's another.

[2:53:07] Voice 9: Yeah, we may have provided some of that information already in that case, but that's

[2:53:13] Voice 5: probably worth clarifying in this case as well.

[2:53:23] Voice 15: So, if we take these six, it still doesn't include the AM.

[2:53:28] Voice 16: No,

[2:53:29] Voice 15: I mean, that's an additional measure,

[2:53:32] Voice 16: but let's just get through the first six.

[2:53:36] Voice 16: So providing additional information about...

[2:53:41] Trustee Yates (probable): So we can simplify it because all of these relate to the lack of a registered professional

[2:53:49] Trustee Yates (probable): biologist dealing with this, all these six.

[2:53:52] Trustee Yates (probable): And then the next one, the application does not provide an analysis of the project with

[2:53:58] Trustee Yates (probable): regards to the green shore for homes guide to show how the guidelines are achieved so to show how

[2:54:06] Trustee Yates (probable): with this project that they are proposing they're not showing us how these guidelines can be met

[2:54:25] Voice 16: because that's the information i was wanting to ask them about is they seem to have done

[2:54:30] Voice 16: some research a lot for homes and had somebody there but that information was not in the report

[2:54:36] Voice 16: another proposed approach would meet the guidelines of the insurance for homes

[2:54:41] Voice 14: federal ratings guide but you can just call it resource for homes guide and address

[2:54:49] Voice 16: the

[2:54:53] Voice 16: The listed environmental considerations committed in the current EIA report was done that would

[2:55:04] Voice 16: just yeah

[2:55:05] Trustee Yates (probable): and the one thing you could just say the ones listed on page three are

[2:55:09] Voice 15: we tracking

[2:55:10] Voice 15: here

[2:55:16] Voice 16: and provide a plan for

[2:55:33] Voice 15: whether

[2:55:35] Voice 16: they would undertake

[2:55:37] Voice 16: an ai or um

[2:55:39] Voice 15: find

[2:55:40] Voice 16: a monitor

[2:55:42] Voice 15: and say it was just

[2:55:53] Voice 16: so much here it's easier aia well they they would need to

[2:55:57] Voice 16: provide yeah like you have these recommendations there's a couple of coaches suggested and the

[2:56:05] Voice 16: applicant can say well this is the approach and that would come back and go by its plan

[2:56:12] Voice 16: Could you help us and read back what

[2:56:16] Trustee Yates (probable): you talked about?

[2:56:16] Trustee Yates (probable): Sure.

[2:56:17] Trustee Yates (probable): I just missed the last part about the impact assessment.

[2:56:21] Trustee Yates (probable): Are we asking them to provide that, or are we asking them to request systems from .

[2:56:30] Trustee Yates (probable): I wouldn't direct them to do it.

[2:56:32] Voice 16: but it's do they want to do an or how

[2:56:36] Voice 16: because those were the options

[2:56:38] Voice 15: provided.

[2:56:41] Voice 15: Propose an approach to address

[2:56:50] Voice 15: So

[2:56:51] Trustee Yates (probable): what the name of the nation can ask

[2:56:55] Trustee Yates (probable): is that an archaeological impact assessment should be conducted

[2:56:59] Trustee Yates (probable): prior to ground disturbance.

[2:57:12] Voice 16: Okay that is the first one I see and then at a minimum archaeological but that's what

[2:57:19] Voice 16: I was saying there's sort of two, there could also be archaeological water terrain instead

[2:57:24] Voice 16: or just saying that has risks so they would need to choose an approach.

[2:57:39] Voice 15: suggestions so

[2:57:40] Voice 9: if you're you're seeing these as these two things as kind of either or then you

[2:57:46] Voice 9: could you could request that from the applicant that they provide an archaeological impact

[2:57:51] Voice 9: assessment for um a lot of

[2:57:55] Voice 15: the monitoring and construction yeah okay yeah

[2:57:59] Voice 14: yeah and

[2:58:01] Trustee Yates (probable): to be fair

[2:58:03] Trustee Yates (probable): if they chose one or over the other we asked for that choice so we would need to accept that

[2:58:09] Trustee Yates (probable): no

[2:58:09] Voice 16: i think the application would need to come back again here's the that's what

[2:58:13] Trustee Yates (probable): i mean yeah

[2:58:13] Voice 16: yeah for sure okay

[2:58:17] Voice 14: so the

[2:58:23] Voice 16: year old trust committee requests that the applicant submit

[2:58:28] Voice 16: to the islands trust additional information about how to propose a vote to meet the guidelines of

[2:58:33] Voice 16: of the Green Shores for Homes Guide

[2:58:34] Voice 16: and address the listed,

[2:58:38] Voice 16: we have time to stop writing.

[2:58:40] Voice 16: I can't give you what I have, thank you.

[2:58:42] Voice 10: The Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[2:58:44] Voice 10: requests the applicant for application PLV-BP-20240-299

[2:58:50] Voice 10: submit to the Islands Trust,

[2:58:52] Voice 10: one, how the proposed approach would meet the guidelines

[2:58:55] Voice 10: of the Green Shores for Homes Guide,

[2:58:58] Voice 10: two, submit additional information

[2:58:59] Voice 10: about how the proposed plan

[2:59:01] Voice 10: would meet the six environmental factors listed on page three of the staff report dated April 23rd

[2:59:07] Voice 10: 2026 and three provide an archaeological impact assessment or archaeological monitoring during

[2:59:13] Voice 10: construction. I

[2:59:16] Voice 16: would say a proposal about their approach to addressing those concerns either

[2:59:22] Voice 16: through the AIA or the archaeological monitoring because they're we're asking them to come back with

[2:59:29] Voice 16: a proposal um

[2:59:32] Voice 15: not just

[2:59:33] Voice 5: do the work or do the aia

[2:59:43] Voice 14: yeah i think it's

[2:59:44] Trustee Maude (probable): seriously i guess

[2:59:47] Trustee Maude (probable): that's

[2:59:48] Voice 9: yeah but just um just the only outstanding thing would just be from

[2:59:56] Voice 9: my perspective it would be helpful if there is clarification on

[3:00:00] Voice 9: or not. The information on number two should be from a professional or just the applicant's

[3:00:08] Voice 9: experience and whether it's just from them.

[3:00:15] Trustee Yates (probable): We definitely want this from a registered

[3:00:17] Trustee Yates (probable): professional biologist.

[3:00:20] Voice 16: Isn't it a requirement that

[3:00:22] Voice 15: our

[3:00:23] Voice 16: PBA file is

[3:00:25] Voice 15: retained for certain types

[3:00:28] Voice 15: of applications they

[3:00:29] Voice 9: do have an an exclusive right to practice i think with professional governance

[3:00:35] Voice 9: out they don't i'm not familiar with the details of in terms of where they're you know where the

[3:00:40] Voice 9: lines are um but it calls them yeah this

[3:00:46] Voice 16: all changed a few years ago that only registered

[3:00:50] Voice 16: biologists could produce that's why i was surprised to see a report with an impact

[3:01:00] Voice 9: So the report, the report is

[3:01:02] Trustee Yates (probable): okay. Okay, good. It's just missing a few things. Yeah.

[3:01:11] Trustee Yates (probable): Thank you.

[3:01:12] Trustee Yates (probable): It looks like a professional.

[3:01:19] Voice 17: It's

[3:01:20] Trustee Yates (probable): just missing these elements which I also.

[3:01:26] Voice 15: Well, yes, I guess, but I think

[3:01:30] Voice 16: you'd probably come back to us and say you'd have to ask

[3:01:37] Voice 16: for that anyways, is my memory,

[3:01:41] Voice 5: but I might be wrong.

[3:01:45] Voice 16: Yeah, okay.

[3:01:46] Voice 16: This is Brad Ramond.

[3:01:52] Voice 16: So presumably they could just build on this report, add in the missing information.

[3:01:58] Voice 16: I think we

[3:02:00] Voice 15: want the question to be more.

[3:02:01] Voice 15: Yes.

[3:02:03] Voice 22: Thank you.

[3:02:03] Voice 15: Nice meeting you.

[3:02:08] Trustee Maude (probable): Thanks, Lisa.

[3:02:09] Trustee Maude (probable): You want to read out that motion again?

[3:02:12] Voice 10: That the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee request the applicant for application PLDBP20240299

[3:02:20] Voice 10: submit to the Islands Trust, one, how the proposed approach would meet the guidelines

[3:02:25] Voice 10: of the Green Shores for Homes Guide, two, submit additional information prepared by

[3:02:31] Voice 10: a registered professional biologist about how the proposed plan would meet the six environmental

[3:02:35] Voice 10: factors listed on page three of the staff report dated April 23rd, 2026 and three, provide

[3:02:42] Voice 10: a proposal, excuse me, three, provide a proposal and approach to provide either an archaeological

[3:02:49] Voice 10: impact assessment or archaeological monitoring during construction.

[3:02:55] Voice 10: Okay, that's

[3:02:55] Trustee Maude (probable): satisfactory, trustees.

[3:02:56] Trustee Yates (probable): Yes, did you want to move that, Trustee Elliott?

[3:02:59] Trustee Yates (probable): Sure.

[3:03:01] Trustee Maude (probable): Second, Trustee.

[3:03:02] Trustee Maude (probable): Second.

[3:03:03] Trustee Maude (probable): Any further discussion?

[3:03:08] Voice 16: i just want to recognize these processes are difficult and it must feel like a hardship when

[3:03:16] Voice 16: you're trying to do the right thing and i want to acknowledge that the applicant is trying to

[3:03:19] Voice 16: do the right thing to protect their home but trying to make sure that the environment is

[3:03:26] Voice 16: but we cannot compromise on evaluating a proposed plan based on insufficient information

[3:03:37] Voice 16: And the

[3:03:41] Voice 15: concerns are just, it's

[3:03:47] Voice 16: very complicated in this day and age, and unfortunately, that's

[3:03:52] Voice 16: the position

[3:03:54] Voice 15: we're in, so we need more information.

[3:03:58] Voice 15: A call question?

[3:04:02] Voice 17: All in favor?

[3:04:04] Voice 17: That carries.

[3:04:05] Trustee Maude (probable): Thank you.

[3:04:06] Trustee Maude (probable): All right, so we move to page 94, OJCPL, RZ, 2025-013, Seward.

[3:04:16] Voice 9: So, yeah, this report provides a comprehensive overview of a bylaw amendment application

[3:04:21] Voice 9: for 1900 Soccer Road.

[3:04:23] Voice 9: The application proposes to amend the April OCP and LUV to facilitate a three-lot strata

[3:04:30] Voice 9: subdivision.

[3:04:30] Voice 9: The application also proposes a covenant on title to protect the trees and vegetation

[3:04:35] Voice 9: and a donation of 0.12 hectares of the property via Jason Drumbeck Park.

[3:04:40] Voice 9: Park. The property is situated on the shoreline, has three existing dwellings, which have been

[3:04:45] Voice 9: on the lot since the 1970s, a registered archaeological site, and a number of accessory buildings.

[3:04:51] Voice 9: The applicant has provided a rationale for the application, professional reporting in

[3:04:55] Voice 9: the form of a biophysical assessment, geohazard assessment, hydrogeological assessment, and

[3:05:00] Voice 9: archaeological impact assessment. The staff report identifies a number of considerations

[3:05:05] Voice 9: for this application related to OCP compliance, subdivisions and basic species management,

[3:05:11] Voice 9: professional reports and archaeology. As presented, the application is not consistent with the

[3:05:16] Voice 9: policies of the Gabriel OCP. The application proposes to amend the land use designation

[3:05:21] Voice 9: from resort to a site-specific designation. Our redesignation and rezoning of the property

[3:05:28] Voice 9: that facilitates subdivision is not supported by the objectives and policies of the resource

[3:05:33] Voice 9: land use designation which the subject property is currently within and an objective of the

[3:05:39] Voice 9: resource designation is to preserve large parcels of land in a largely unsubdivided

[3:05:44] Voice 9: state and policy 5.1a states the average parcel size and resource zone shall be 8 hectares

[3:05:50] Voice 9: with a minimum parcel size of 2 hectares. Similarly, policy 5.1c supports the retention

[3:05:56] Voice 9: of lands in the resource zone and large land holdings so as to protect significant environmental

[3:06:01] Voice 9: environmental features, archeological sites

[3:06:03] Voice 9: and forested areas and maintain the area's rural character.

[3:06:07] Voice 9: As a result of that, we're not recommending the LTC

[3:06:10] Voice 9: amend the bylaws to permit subdivision.

[3:06:12] Voice 9: A summary of the current regulations,

[3:06:15] Voice 9: the applicant's proposal and the staff recommendation

[3:06:17] Voice 9: is provided in that table,

[3:06:18] Voice 9: and put that on pages 95 and 96 of the agenda.

[3:06:22] Voice 9: And a complete analysis of OCP policies

[3:06:25] Voice 9: provided in attachment two.

[3:06:27] Voice 9: Staff are recommending that the LTC direct staff

[3:06:30] Voice 9: to draft bylaws to permit three dwellings on the subject property to not allow subdivision.

[3:06:35] Voice 9: This would allow the buildings to be rebuilt in the case that there was some

[3:06:42] Voice 9: disaster and they were ruined. The second recommendation is that staff send an early

[3:06:49] notification to the First

[3:06:50] Voice 9: Nation and the Regional District of Nanaimo of the bylaw,

[3:06:54] Voice 9: request information from the applicant to be provided prior to consideration of first

[3:06:59] Voice 9: reading and that information is detailed in the recommendations in the report and request

[3:07:04] Voice 9: information from the applicant that would be provided prior to consideration of bylaw adoption

[3:07:09] Voice 9: which is also detailed in the recommendations in the report and finally to request the applicant

[3:07:14] Voice 9: enter into a cost recovery agreement for the preparation of a draft section 219 covenant

[3:07:20] Voice 9: and that's that's the covenant that's been proposed by the applicant they've also

[3:07:25] Voice 9: So, yeah, so I think I'll leave it there.

[3:07:28] Voice 9: There's lots of misreporting thoughts.

[3:07:31] Trustee Maude (probable): Thank you.

[3:07:32] Trustee Maude (probable): Is the applicant with us?

[3:07:34] Trustee Maude (probable): Thank you.

[3:07:35] Trustee Maude (probable): Oh, piece of trustees over to you.

[3:07:37] Trustee Yates (probable): I have two questions,

[3:07:41] Trustee Yates (probable): but they're kind of both directed towards Planner Baugh

[3:07:45] Trustee Yates (probable): and towards Mr. Seward.

[3:07:48] Trustee Yates (probable): Just for clarification,

[3:07:51] Trustee Yates (probable): they're in the recommendations,

[3:07:54] Trustee Yates (probable): Confirmation that exhalation of any new well is greater than 100 meters from the shoreline.

[3:08:00] Trustee Yates (probable): That's good.

[3:08:01] Trustee Yates (probable): But would you, in this position, even consider a new well when it might be better

[3:08:09] Trustee Yates (probable): if you've just had rainwater catchment resistance?

[3:08:14] Trustee Yates (probable): I don't know.

[3:08:15] Trustee Yates (probable): I'm only asking that.

[3:08:17] Trustee Yates (probable): If it were me, I would try not to drill a new well.

[3:08:20] Trustee Yates (probable): but it appears that the water is good and that you probably could build a new well but i'm curious to

[3:08:28] Trustee Yates (probable): know if there's a preference or you might not know so

[3:08:33] Voice 28: certainly two of the three uh thank you for

[3:08:35] Voice 28: the question um wells the third uh probably uh brings in water and has systems yeah they

[3:08:43] Voice 28: potentially will be drilling another well in the future the owner of that cabin is here to be

[3:08:48] Voice 28: can certainly talk to that if you wish for their information.

[3:08:52] Trustee Yates (probable): Yeah and that is in the report. I

[3:08:53] Trustee Yates (probable): just thought I wonder if they really know if they're going to drill a well or if they might

[3:08:57] Trustee Yates (probable): consider something different. Yeah

[3:08:59] Trustee Yates (probable): and I do understand that the other two houses already

[3:09:03] Trustee Yates (probable): have drilled wells. Thank you and that's then my other really important question is does that

[3:09:12] Trustee Yates (probable): that 0.3 of an acre that you were proposing to donate,

[3:09:16] Trustee Yates (probable): does it include the sort of shelving steps

[3:09:19] Trustee Yates (probable): that go down to the water, to the beach?

[3:09:24] Trustee Yates (probable): That's where people like to go down, to the beach.

[3:09:27] Voice 28: Again, I could ask the thought beyond which I'll talk about,

[3:09:31] Voice 28: but my first response to you is yes, it does.

[3:09:35] Voice 28: It's designed, the survey, the dedicated portion

[3:09:40] Voice 28: portion is designed to accommodate uh a direction down to the beach is that fair to say it's

[3:09:46] Voice 28: mr legal and i'm

[3:09:48] Voice 27: happy to speak to that view yeah thank you the intention is to let people

[3:09:51] Voice 27: who are walking towards our property to be able to go down those rocks we now right now

[3:09:58] Voice 27: we don't leave it safe because uh those rocks get very slippery in their steam as you know

[3:10:03] Voice 27: you can't at a medium or high tide you can't get around so our hope would be bc parks would

[3:10:11] Voice 27: decide on what's the safe access point for park goers to get down to the beach and um and so i

[3:10:17] Voice 27: mean they will maybe have a staircase or whatever they decide is appropriate but it is absolutely

[3:10:24] Voice 27: that the the the park property would go right to the high water market where it becomes for sure

[3:10:31] Voice 27: and um so that i hope that answers your question

[3:10:34] Trustee Yates (probable): okay i was hoping that it would include the sort

[3:10:39] Trustee Yates (probable): of shelving in steps that people already walk down which is on your property of course but that would

[3:10:47] Trustee Yates (probable): have to move it would have to move over a little bit more but i'll leave it at that for now okay

[3:10:54] Voice 28: our goal is to accommodate the safe access down to the beach if that line had to be moved slightly

[3:11:00] Voice 28: and then certainly um work with staff um to uh determine how best to do it

[3:11:05] Voice 16: thank you i don't

[3:11:09] Voice 16: have any questions but if you have a presentation they're super prepared thank you

[3:11:12] Voice 28: um i'm talking

[3:11:15] Voice 28: about of course 1900 stalker road i'm assisting the property owners in um moving this application

[3:11:20] Voice 28: forward um we request that uh i can make a short presentation and then i'm here with the

[3:11:27] Voice 28: three um families that own this property and they wish to speak briefly mr big land will

[3:11:33] Voice 28: will talk following me and he may introduce

[3:11:36] Voice 28: two other family members to speak briefly.

[3:11:40] Voice 28: We'll recognize this is a long meeting already.

[3:11:43] Voice 28: We just wanted to bring forward some facts

[3:11:46] Voice 28: regarding this application.

[3:11:48] Voice 28: As Mr. Law had noted is the staff recommendation

[3:11:52] Voice 28: is to move forward with this application,

[3:11:54] Voice 28: but only to allow eight hectare minimum lot size.

[3:11:59] Voice 28: We agree with the staff recommendation

[3:12:00] Voice 28: other than the eight hectare minimum.

[3:12:02] Voice 28: minimum. And we wish to bring those issues up. Our proposal as noted on page 102 of the staff

[3:12:10] Voice 28: recommendation is there are alternatives. One of those alternatives is to move forward with

[3:12:16] Voice 28: what the applicant is requesting, what we are requesting, and that's for a smaller lot size

[3:12:21] Voice 28: to accommodate the future three-lot bare land strata subdivision. And we'll talk about that

[3:12:28] Voice 28: as we go through.

[3:12:29] Voice 28: So I'm gonna move forward through this fairly quickly

[3:12:32] Voice 28: and then leave it to the prop owners to discuss.

[3:12:36] Voice 28: This property has been owned and used by the family

[3:12:39] Voice 28: since it was purchased in 1970 and 56 years ago

[3:12:44] Voice 28: in construction of the three cabins in 1971.

[3:12:47] Voice 28: The second and third generations,

[3:12:49] Voice 28: and we have a first generation, second generation,

[3:12:51] Voice 28: and there's multiple third generations.

[3:12:59] Voice 28: But that's the real key is that they've owned this property for 56 years.

[3:13:03] Voice 28: They would like to keep it in perpetuity for their children and pass it down to children over time.

[3:13:10] Voice 28: The key point here on this application is they want the property to remain the same.

[3:13:16] Voice 28: There's no construction planned on this application.

[3:13:20] Voice 28: The owners wish to create a three-lot fair-run style subdivision that will allow for each family to own the property their cabins are on.

[3:13:29] Voice 28: and share the common property in order to pursue a strata subdivision the owners wish to pursue it

[3:13:34] Voice 28: say pacific amendment and rezone for ocp and um zoning amendment as mr ball went out

[3:13:42] Voice 28: as under the current zoning only one residential buildings permitted on the property and if the

[3:13:48] Voice 28: cabinets are destroyed by fire or other hazards they cannot be rebuilt and a number of people

[3:13:53] Voice 28: mentioned that the strata subdivision will allow each of the three families to use the accountants

[3:13:57] Voice 28: independently now and in the future with separate property titles. Separate property titles will

[3:14:03] Voice 28: allow the owners to deal with issues such as estate planning, inheritance plan maintenance

[3:14:09] Voice 28: and staff have brought up that that's an issue we should raise. Staff don't raise it in their report

[3:14:15] Voice 28: because things like inheritance and others are not a viable consideration but it's certainly

[3:14:19] Voice 28: consideration for the families. As I mentioned no new constructions planned other than renovations

[3:14:27] Voice 28: and possibly small additions to the cabins

[3:14:29] Voice 28: that are needed in the future

[3:14:30] Voice 28: and one small accessory building.

[3:14:33] Voice 28: Covenants are a really important issue

[3:14:35] Voice 28: and the owners agreed to register a covenant

[3:14:36] Voice 28: on title confirming no further residential buildings

[3:14:39] Voice 28: would be constructed on site.

[3:14:41] Voice 28: Therefore, no additional density would be added

[3:14:44] Voice 28: other than the three cabins.

[3:14:46] Voice 28: So there's three cabins there,

[3:14:47] Voice 28: cottages, 15 of them since 1971.

[3:14:51] Voice 28: That predated the Island's Trust,

[3:14:53] Voice 28: so they are legal non-performing.

[3:14:55] Voice 28: But what we're proposing to go down title is only those three counties will remain there

[3:15:00] Voice 28: Which is certainly I think very important to the audience trust

[3:15:07] Voice 28: There's also a comment would be proposed to register on title for tree protecting on the property

[3:15:14] Voice 28: As part of the status of the region, the owners will dedicate a portion of the property at BC Park

[3:15:18] Voice 28: as we just finished talking about that for inclusion in

[3:15:21] Voice 28: adjacent Drumbeck Park which will allow the long-standing trespass

[3:15:26] Voice 28: on the property at 1990 Stalker Road and improve beach access and that goes to Trustee Gates' question.

[3:15:36] Voice 28: A covenant would be registered on title to ensure the completion of the park dedication at Strata Subdivision.

[3:15:42] Voice 28: The park dedication area was established to address the trespass and the beach access and that's why it's set up in this manner.

[3:15:49] Voice 28: The owners have communicated with BC Parks and GALT and will continue to work with both groups

[3:15:55] Voice 28: to facilitate the proposed park dedication trail network entry, sorry, trail maintenance and

[3:16:02] Voice 28: removal. Both these groups have expressed a strong interest in support for park dedication

[3:16:09] Voice 28: and to expand Drumdike Park. They've been really helpful to us and we were hoping for one or two

[3:16:15] Voice 28: members that will possibly attend this meeting that they have sent in a letter

[3:16:18] Voice 28: that they want to work with us and to facilitate

[3:16:24] Voice 28: this. We did have a community information meeting

[3:16:28] Voice 28: and write a feedback from the Toronto property owners. Feedback was from the meeting

[3:16:32] Voice 28: and correspondence received was supportive of the proposed

[3:16:36] Voice 28: subdivision. The owners have also communicated with the name of First Nation

[3:16:40] Voice 28: and their representatives participated in the site

[3:16:43] Voice 28: site investigation, which there's a detailed AIA architecture that a lot of local impact

[3:16:49] Voice 28: assessment undertaken for this property and you'll see the staff report. It's very extensive

[3:16:55] Voice 28: and we're certainly working with that. We understand those features on the site, but

[3:16:59] Voice 28: we're certainly there. The owners are there to protect that in perpetuity. We also had

[3:17:08] Voice 28: a number of other reports in Mr. Blas. I know some professional reports to deal with all

[3:17:13] Voice 28: all the issues that the staff have mentioned

[3:17:15] Voice 28: are important to us.

[3:17:18] Voice 28: We request that we continue to work with the LTC

[3:17:21] Voice 28: and staff on this amendment with consideration

[3:17:25] Voice 28: for a lot of the site-specific amendment

[3:17:27] Voice 28: for the smelly lot size.

[3:17:29] Voice 28: I know that's on a conventional

[3:17:30] Voice 28: and Mr. DeJuan is gonna talk about precedent,

[3:17:33] Voice 28: which is, I think, really important

[3:17:34] Voice 28: to certainly the local government here

[3:17:37] Voice 28: to make sure it doesn't set a precedent

[3:17:40] Voice 28: for potential other future considerations.

[3:17:43] Voice 28: So the owners look forward to working

[3:17:45] Voice 28: continue to work with the Orange Trust, and they gave your old community a moving forward

[3:17:49] Voice 28: consideration of the request for these amendments. So I'll turn it over to Mr. Lindeland, and

[3:17:55] Voice 28: certainly we'll be happy to ask any questions after they've finished speaking.

[3:18:03] Voice 5: Good afternoon, everyone. My name is Jeff Lindeland.

[3:18:06] Voice 27: I'm one of the elder applicants

[3:18:07] Voice 27: of this matter. Just a few issues that have not been addressed yet, and we're trying to

[3:18:13] Voice 27: cover up in the general report. In terms of process, the very first thing we did in July

[3:18:18] Voice 27: 2017 was to meet with the planners of the day to get their input on how this could be

[3:18:27] Voice 27: successful this application and what would be the considerations to bring it within the

[3:18:31] Voice 27: public interest as we were going to change the zoning and what would be the things that

[3:18:35] Voice 27: would be important both in terms of how the trust mandate and what the public would be

[3:18:40] Voice 27: would find acceptable and desirable and we met with both owners and they gave us a roadmap on

[3:18:50] Voice 27: what that looked like and from our perspective we've really followed it as closely as we can

[3:18:54] Voice 27: we've we were we weren't given guarantees of anything of course but we were given

[3:18:58] Voice 27: the types of considerations that would be desirable including property dedication

[3:19:03] Voice 27: now what's important is that you you well know this property was purchased before the

[3:19:08] Voice 27: Island Trust existed, the cottages were built lawfully with permits for the new zoning.

[3:19:15] Voice 27: So it's important to understand this isn't something we did to ourselves, it's something

[3:19:18] Voice 27: that obviously changed over time after we bought the property.

[3:19:21] Voice 27: The original owners would have expected to be able to maintain their property and not

[3:19:26] Voice 27: be left with a zoning that only allows one dwelling, using the awful term that it rotted

[3:19:33] Voice 27: out the other buildings.

[3:19:35] Voice 27: And so we really view this as remedial in the sense that we're trying to, as Toby expressed, have the ability to maintain the building permits to, if necessary, replace the cottage with all the restrictions we've got on the size and the dwellings, et cetera, et cetera.

[3:19:59] Voice 27: For 56 years, we have kept the property in the same condition, and we're very committed

[3:20:06] Voice 27: to put these covenants in place to make sure that our sales and future owners are at the

[3:20:11] Voice 27: same obligations.

[3:20:12] Voice 27: So you've heard the treaty, the mature forest covenant, the commitment to work on eradication

[3:20:19] Voice 27: of the groom.

[3:20:19] Voice 27: room um we met with gold a couple weeks ago they're coming to the property uh two weeks

[3:20:24] Voice 27: saturday with their volunteers and they're actually going to remove a big swath of room

[3:20:28] Voice 27: on our property and we just said it's separate apart from this process they're going to get on

[3:20:35] Voice 27: that because they they want even though we've needed it for to deal with the trespass problem

[3:20:40] Voice 27: we have and people wandering right onto our property um they put a lot of work into trying

[3:20:45] Voice 27: eradicate broom in the park and they view the seeds coming from our piece as material so we're

[3:20:50] Voice 27: gonna they're gonna do that but also um the the you know and committing not to expand the um the

[3:20:59] Voice 27: footprint other than the minor considerations in the application um with respect to the property

[3:21:06] Voice 27: dedication so when russell nickel owned our for our lot and he owned what's now drum big and he

[3:21:16] Voice 27: He lived on Breakwater Island opposite the Old Saturday and the Bath Islands as well.

[3:21:21] Voice 27: When he sold the park to the province in 1969, he was rowing himself back and forth every

[3:21:29] Voice 27: day to get his mails, groceries, and he had his car on our property.

[3:21:33] Voice 27: He intentionally moved the property line on that angle so that people wouldn't be going

[3:21:39] Voice 27: to the beach.

[3:21:40] Voice 27: Even though the beach was public property, in his mind, he was giving himself the ability

[3:21:44] Voice 27: to leave his boat there with his things in it without park goers or future park goers

[3:21:51] Voice 27: coming down there because this is pre-park and so he that's why you see a non-rectangular

[3:21:59] Voice 27: angle on that and when it goes right along that line that does it was intended to not make it

[3:22:05] Voice 27: possible to get down the beach really from his perspective when that access point was built

[3:22:11] Voice 27: was developed down the beach so that people do the loop it incentivized people to go down to the

[3:22:19] Voice 27: beach and do the loop and not stop their walk early so that that increased the amount of traffic

[3:22:26] Voice 27: trespassing across that piece but also going down the rocks which as we've talked about not not safe

[3:22:31] Voice 27: 50 minutes away and it's increased that so when we envision this application and we're looking

[3:22:38] Voice 27: for the zoning. It made sense for us to deal with that property line boundary at the same time,

[3:22:47] Voice 27: and we also wanted to make it a public interest that that issue was that people would have that

[3:22:57] Voice 27: access point down to the beach as part of this of this and so um you know that that's why what

[3:23:06] Voice 27: we're really trying to do is rectify what Mr. Nichol did back then. And we, you know, that

[3:23:15] Voice 27: piece, that strip, we heard one of the people attending treated as sort of a sliver. That

[3:23:22] Voice 27: actual piece of land is the best part of our property. When you stand there and you're looking

[3:23:28] Voice 27: at breakwater, the flat top mountains, you look at the Garibaldi Mountains, you're looking at

[3:23:32] Voice 27: everything. People stand

[3:23:34] Voice 27: there for a long period of time

[3:23:36] Voice 27: and they just look. And they sit on that

[3:23:38] Voice 27: bench and it gives them great

[3:23:40] Voice 27: joy because it is a

[3:23:42] Voice 27: world-class scenic view

[3:23:44] Voice 17: of

[3:23:45] Voice 27: that piece of property.

[3:23:48] Voice 27: So qualitatively

[3:23:49] Voice 27: it's a big

[3:23:50] Voice 27: deal to give that up.

[3:23:53] Voice 27: You know, we have no

[3:23:55] Voice 27: intention of selling it. I don't look at this in terms of

[3:23:57] Voice 27: land value. But that piece

[3:23:59] Voice 27: is

[3:23:59] Voice 27: is is is a material donation um and and i think we'll help deal with it and our hope is that bc

[3:24:09] Voice 27: parks creates a safe pathway down there i feel like the guy owns a pool without a fence around

[3:24:14] Voice 27: it i really don't like the risk that goes with that that access point um so um we want to see

[3:24:23] Voice 27: that happen i want to talk about the minimum loss size issue and then if there's any worry about

[3:24:29] Voice 27: impressive. First of all, if anybody in the public wants to come over, come forward and

[3:24:35] Voice 27: offer to donate part of their land to a park and put permanent covenants on their property that

[3:24:44] Voice 27: would align with the mandate of Islands Trust, they can they can line up over here because I'm

[3:24:50] Voice 27: sure you would welcome that. This is very much a one-off application in the sense that it's unique

[3:24:57] Voice 27: and there's a lot of pieces to it the reason why we need separate titles because you've heard how

[3:25:02] Voice 27: many generations we have there's a lot of people who are going to be on title we don't want this

[3:25:05] Voice 27: to be a door to breakfast we don't want to share a model where we're going to have to deal with

[3:25:09] Voice 27: all sorts of um corporate arrangements to make decisions and to meet etc you know with with us

[3:25:17] Voice 27: with the strata plan what we really with the bear line strata what we're really we're looking for

[3:25:21] Voice 27: is how do we minimize the infant on the land and keep what we have, which is the common

[3:25:30] Voice 27: driveway and having the common area and sharing the same utilities and so there's no need

[3:25:42] Voice 27: to change anything we have right now. But you will have your own title and you can sell

[3:25:46] Voice 27: it, you can borrow against it, you can bequeath it to your officer. So you know when we talk

[3:25:53] Voice 27: about the policy and keep in mind you know we you'll know this better than i do but at the

[3:26:00] Voice 27: west end of drum bay there are small lots there and i don't know what the zoning is but there's

[3:26:05] Voice 27: there's obviously new home this is a new one that's running there's small lots all the way

[3:26:11] Voice 27: up stalker and the former tigers property it's been subdivided where the um stevenson's live

[3:26:16] Voice 27: you know obviously those those parcels are are smaller so we we kind of feel like we're the

[3:26:21] Voice 27: outcast in the sense that we're the largest resource. We're the lot that can't get smaller.

[3:26:29] Voice 27: And we think the strata are a really good way to minimize the imprint. There'd be no increased

[3:26:35] Voice 27: density because of the restriction on dwellings. And it will very closely replicate what we have

[3:26:44] Voice 27: right now in terms of usage and how we're using the property. But it'll give us that ability to

[3:26:54] Voice 27: pass on title.

[3:26:56] Voice 27: And, you know, some of the families may make arrangements amongst themselves

[3:26:59] Voice 27: as to who's ultimately going to be on title.

[3:27:02] Voice 27: But it is important to have that piece of it.

[3:27:05] Voice 27: And, you know, I guess what I would say about policy is

[3:27:08] Voice 27: they're important for consistency and guidelines and principles.

[3:27:12] Voice 27: But the fact we have an application process where we come in front of you

[3:27:17] Voice 27: and make these submissions, at the end of the day, you know,

[3:27:20] Voice 27: you have to weigh the overall application

[3:27:22] Voice 27: and what are the merits and benefits coming from the proposal

[3:27:27] Voice 27: that would outweigh or justify not applying the policy

[3:27:33] Voice 27: in a particular instance.

[3:27:34] Voice 27: And this is a very unusual application

[3:27:37] Voice 27: that you probably will never see again for this particular area.

[3:27:44] Voice 27: And we've been doing this for seven and a half, eight years,

[3:27:47] Voice 27: and we very much want to make sure this is supported by the public.

[3:27:53] Voice 27: And we had our neighborhood meeting at Page's Inn, and we've all talked to people.

[3:28:00] Voice 27: We haven't honestly heard a negative comment about this because of the commitments.

[3:28:05] Voice 27: And everyone really, really would love to make sure that that land is done because they don't want us to enforce their property rights or a future owner to enforce their property rights.

[3:28:14] Voice 27: We don't want to do that.

[3:28:18] Voice 27: So we hope you'll view it through that lens.

[3:28:21] Voice 27: um and we're obviously as Toby said very willing to work with you to get to work out details um

[3:28:31] Voice 27: as we proceed um and and I know that the recommendation from the from the staff

[3:28:40] Voice 27: I'm urging you to not um accept that recommendation in the context of what we're proposing

[3:28:47] Voice 27: closing, and if necessary, to provide you with whatever further information you want

[3:28:52] Voice 27: or to work with you further to figure out any friction points on what we put forward.

[3:29:01] Voice 27: Some of the questions you have, I'm going to, we have one original owner still with

[3:29:07] Voice 27: with us here, Ms. Sheila Richardson,

[3:29:09] Voice 27: who I know .

[3:29:11] Voice 27: You can be seated this morning.

[3:29:13] Voice 15: Thank you.

[3:29:15] Voice 5: You can sit.

[3:29:16] Voice 15: I thought you'd like to stand.

[3:29:19] Voice 15: Well,

[3:29:19] Voice 23: we'll just gently, you'll have to help me out.

[3:29:22] Voice 23: I will.

[3:29:22] Voice 23: There you go.

[3:29:24] Voice 23: Thank you.

[3:29:25] Voice 23: It'll be all right.

[3:29:26] Voice 5: That's right.

[3:29:27] Voice 23: That's right.

[3:29:29] Voice 23: Thank you very much.

[3:29:33] Voice 23: Wish you a good afternoon.

[3:29:36] Voice 23: And thank you for your patience today.

[3:29:40] Voice 23: I've been most impressed. I've been to a lot of council meetings all over the world,

[3:29:46] Voice 23: all over BC, and you are very efficient. I'm one of the original owners of the property.

[3:30:00] Voice 23: were six adults, three families, and 11 children. And we've owned the property, as you know, since 1970.

[3:30:10] Voice 23: I would like to let you know how long 56 years are, and I'd like Anthea and Rosemary to...

[3:30:24] Voice 21: I

[3:30:25] Voice 23: didn't warn them. They were three years old when we bought the property. Jeffrey was four.

[3:30:34] Voice 23: So we have been on Gabriel for a long time. I was born in Manitoba, lived in Toronto,

[3:30:41] Voice 23: Vancouver, and never really saw an ocean before, as you can imagine, or salt water.

[3:30:51] Voice 23: And Gabriel has been wonderful. It's been a major part of our lives, and I'm sure you feel the same

[3:30:59] Voice 23: way because you wouldn't be here if you were not. In 1980, my first husband, one of the original

[3:31:10] Voice 23: owners, died and is buried on the Gabriela Cemetery. My second husband died two years ago

[3:31:20] Voice 23: and his ashtray on Gabriela.

[3:31:23] Voice 23: That's how important Gabriela is to us.

[3:31:27] Voice 23: Over the years, there have been a lot of changes.

[3:31:34] Voice 23: And you've seen them, and I've seen a lot more than you have.

[3:31:40] Voice 23: Remember that Folklife Village came from Expo 86.

[3:31:49] Voice 23: Before that, there were very huge doors.

[3:31:52] Voice 23: Sheila had her store at the north end of the island.

[3:31:56] Voice 23: We took the little ferry, when it ran, over to Nanaimo and we shopped there.

[3:32:06] Voice 23: My children took bikes down to Bea Myers' farm and garden for fresh produce and conversation.

[3:32:17] Voice 23: conversation. We all went to Paige's store, got a few things there. There was a phone

[3:32:25] Voice 23: booth there. We had no phones in the cottages, which makes you think now we were mad. But

[3:32:33] Voice 23: we went to the phone booth at Paige's for the telephone and for conversation with Joan

[3:32:43] Voice 23: own list page and i presume well i know most of you wouldn't know the people i know on the island

[3:32:51] Voice 23: but you know the bolton family is still here elder bolton did our construction there they're

[3:33:00] Voice 23: excavating uh mr epcot and epton and his son the the electricity and my son who was 10 helped them

[3:33:13] Voice 23: they were wonderful people

[3:33:15] Voice 23: they were really kind

[3:33:17] Voice 23: and put up with this kid who

[3:33:19] Voice 23: tried to help them

[3:33:21] Voice 23: wire the cottages

[3:33:25] Voice 23: and Windeckers

[3:33:28] Voice 23: did the will

[3:33:29] Voice 23: so I think, I believe they're still

[3:33:31] Voice 23: doing them

[3:33:32] Voice 23: on Gabiola

[3:33:34] Voice 23: and there was a bit of a delay because

[3:33:38] Voice 23: they wouldn't drill a will

[3:33:41] Voice 23: until

[3:33:42] Voice 23: Eve Cox had come

[3:33:44] Voice 23: along

[3:33:44] Voice 23: long, and Eve Cox was a water diviner. So we had to wait and have the water found by

[3:33:52] Voice 23: Eve. So I have a bill somewhere here. I think you might like to see a bill from 55 years

[3:34:00] Voice 23: ago. Eve Cox, water divining, $20. So prices are up now. One should give them that to see

[3:34:10] Voice 23: and they can look at it.

[3:34:12] Voice 16: Sure.

[3:34:15] Voice 16: How is your family?

[3:34:19] Voice 16: I don't mean to interrupt,

[3:34:22] Voice 16: but I'm just wanting to hear

[3:34:25] Voice 16: how your families have been working together

[3:34:28] Voice 16: to sort of look after this property.

[3:34:30] Voice 23: How we got together?

[3:34:32] Voice 16: Just sort of in the focus of this application.

[3:34:35] Voice 23: How we've been working together.

[3:34:39] Voice 23: The families?

[3:34:40] Voice 23: Yes.

[3:34:41] Voice 23: and

[3:34:41] Voice 16: sort of what your intention is

[3:34:44] Voice 23: we get along very well that's great yeah in fact they're all

[3:34:47] Voice 23: here and and i think they'll they'll agree we we get along

[3:34:52] Voice 17: and

[3:34:53] Voice 23: we've had ups and downs because

[3:34:56] Voice 23: there's been illness and there's there have been five deaths but we interact really well

[3:35:04] Voice 23: and you know our ideas are the same we all want to keep the cottages as they are we do not want

[3:35:16] Voice 23: any other cottages as a matter of fact when the three families got together the plan was to divide

[3:35:26] Voice 23: the portions into four and then we came over we looked at the property we thought no no that that's

[3:35:35] Voice 23: we don't want four families here we want three that was it and I think over the years

[3:35:44] Voice 23: we've all agreed on almost everything I can't remember really any major disputes at all

[3:35:54] Voice 23: and I'd like to just I could go on and on and but I won't I can give you to our electoral

[3:36:03] Voice 23: I love Gabriel, and I want to stay here another maybe 10 years.

[3:36:11] Voice 23: I'm only 90 now, so I'll be here for a while.

[3:36:16] Voice 23: But my idea is that I'd like to think that we all agree about trees.

[3:36:24] Voice 23: We protect the trees as much as we possibly can, and we've lost really very few.

[3:36:32] Voice 23: We agree about animals.

[3:36:34] Voice 23: We have deer. We had had raccoons. We have otters. The deer can't read, so they cannot read what the nursing people are saying are deer-resistant animals.

[3:36:54] Voice 17: and the deer

[3:36:55] Voice 23: will stand on our decks

[3:36:58] Voice 23: or deer

[3:36:59] Voice 23: resistance or

[3:37:01] Voice 23: flowers

[3:37:04] Voice 23: we stand on

[3:37:06] Voice 23: our deck and the deers come along

[3:37:08] Voice 23: and they start chewing away

[3:37:10] Voice 23: at plants that we put in

[3:37:12] Voice 23: at a little bit of an expense

[3:37:15] Voice 23: and we clap

[3:37:16] Voice 23: our hands at the deer

[3:37:17] Voice 23: they look at us and say who me

[3:37:20] Voice 23: and then they just keep on eating

[3:37:22] Voice 23: and flowers, and they couldn't care less.

[3:37:27] Voice 23: I think the other most important thing that we've done over the years

[3:37:31] Voice 23: is to go into the park that used to be called Government Bay,

[3:37:36] Voice 23: now it's Drum Bay, and we have monitored fires.

[3:37:41] Voice 23: We've put out a couple of small fires.

[3:37:44] Voice 23: And when people have bonfires on the beach,

[3:37:51] Voice 23: The next morning we usually walk down and make sure the embers are out because sometimes they are left.

[3:38:03] Voice 23: And we try to keep an eye on the park and not have people camping there because of fire.

[3:38:11] Voice 23: We're terrified of fire. That's the one big thing.

[3:38:14] Voice 23: And I'm sure everybody on the island, well, I know everybody on the island is concerned about it.

[3:38:20] Voice 23: But I think by having us living there probably helps a little bit, and we certainly, I have called the fire department twice now, I think, because of in dry season people having fires on their own property.

[3:38:42] Voice 23: and I like to think that we're pretty tolerant people do you know people do trespass I don't

[3:38:50] Voice 23: really call it trespassing I just call it walking along the property trying to get to the beach

[3:38:56] Voice 23: and we understand that and that that's good when the whale died a few years ago and was up on the

[3:39:03] Voice 23: the beach. I was directing people along, telling how to take short cuts and how to get there.

[3:39:11] Voice 23: And when the family put the bench in, memorial bench, we knew that it was on our property,

[3:39:23] Voice 23: but we didn't care. We just didn't say a word. And we felt that, you know, this was the place

[3:39:34] Voice 23: the bench, it had the best view, as Jeffrey said, and they could come and sit there and

[3:39:40] Voice 23: look at the mountains.

[3:39:43] Voice 23: My hope is that you'll give consideration to our proposal.

[3:39:49] Voice 23: We plan to stay there, and I think it's a marvelous place, and we would like, I would

[3:40:00] Voice 23: like things tidied up so that you know that the family will be able to continue so thank you thank

[3:40:09] Voice 23: you thank

[3:40:10] Voice 17: you i just want

[3:40:24] Voice 4: i can just be really brief okay a lot of questions my name is jennifer

[3:40:28] Voice 4: party and i am one of the five daughters of one of the original owners and just to clarify on the

[3:40:33] Voice 4: generation so i had a great privilege of growing up with my four sisters on and along with the two

[3:40:39] Voice 4: other families we have wonderful memories and we're very grateful for the opportunity we've

[3:40:42] Voice 4: had on this land and i'm here to support and honor my father my parents and particularly my

[3:40:48] Voice 4: father's legacy it was his greatest wish that we be able to have this property opportunity for our

[3:40:54] Voice 4: families and that's part of this proposal we currently have just our family so it's five

[3:41:00] Voice 4: girls 13 grandchildren and now 17 and going great-grandchildren so it is quite a plan and

[3:41:06] Voice 4: they're all there all loving it and truly enjoying it i'm all here on their behalf as well for the

[3:41:10] Voice 4: future generations. I think we've demonstrated over the 56 years that we've been there, that

[3:41:15] Voice 4: we've been good stewards of the land. You've heard about how we've been stewards of the park before

[3:41:19] Voice 4: it was a park, how we've looked after our land. And it's basically the same as it was, very few

[3:41:24] Voice 4: changes since 1970, since we first were there. And I actually live on Bowen Island, so I'm very

[3:41:30] Voice 4: familiar with the work, the great work of the Islands Trust and the role of the OCP, and

[3:41:36] Voice 4: certainly very respectful of the work that you have to do to honor that and we feel that our

[3:41:40] Voice 4: proposal is actually very well aligned with all of your banners behind you we're looking at

[3:41:45] Voice 4: conservancy we're looking at stewardship we're looking at sustainability sustainability for us

[3:41:50] Voice 4: as well as the community and i think that's a really important piece of our application

[3:41:55] Voice 4: is that there's yes it serves our family but it also maintains what we have and it serves the

[3:42:01] Voice 4: community it's a wonderful opportunity and we really hope that you'll seriously consider what

[3:42:05] Voice 4: we put on the table for your consideration. We put a lot of time and effort, spent significant

[3:42:10] Voice 4: funding. You've heard from previous applicants how expensive it is. We understand that. You need

[3:42:15] Voice 4: that information. We hope it's helpful as you consider. And we just leave that with you with

[3:42:21] Voice 4: great respect. And we look forward to working with you further to see if we can further this

[3:42:25] Voice 4: proposal for you. Thank you. Thank you.

[3:42:36] Voice 16: so a question about the the well i get back to to the practicalities and thank you so much all

[3:42:44] Voice 16: of you for attending today and presenting your history and your rich connection together it's

[3:42:49] Voice 16: really lovely to see um you're working together and obviously care about um this land for more

[3:42:55] Voice 16: than monetary value absolutely it's part of your family so I want to honor that and recognize that.

[3:43:04] Voice 16: I don't think there's any I don't have any intention to uphold a policy that has

[3:43:11] Voice 16: you know policies set out what we aim to achieve you know and the current OCP sets out

[3:43:18] Voice 16: the policy for subdivision minimum with the intention to preserve

[3:43:22] Voice 16: preserve larger parcels so that that's part of the fulfillment of the Iowans Trust mandate.

[3:43:28] Voice 16: There are other ways to do that and one of those ways that you've identified through

[3:43:33] Voice 16: this proposal is a covenant and all the multiple ways that the covenant can protect the land.

[3:43:41] Voice 16: And limiting the number of dwellings on the land I think is also a really good way of

[3:43:46] Voice 16: about pulling the intent of that OCP policy.

[3:43:52] Voice 16: I don't think, in this case, a policy

[3:43:56] Voice 16: should supersede the present-day considerations.

[3:44:00] Voice 16: We are here now.

[3:44:01] Voice 16: You're presenting your intention.

[3:44:04] Voice 16: And I think it makes a lot of sense

[3:44:07] Voice 16: what you're saying to separate into two, three titles.

[3:44:13] Voice 16: So I'm in support of that.

[3:44:16] Voice 16: i guess i would ask staff if there's if there's anything beyond you know the the actual policy

[3:44:24] Voice 16: about subdivision size limits that um really led to a recommendation of that it's outlined in the

[3:44:30] Voice 16: report but um it just really that that's what our ozp says that's sort of the guidelines we're

[3:44:36] Voice 16: going by it

[3:44:37] Voice 15: it's yeah the

[3:44:39] Voice 5: reports of course yeah yeah okay

[3:44:43] Voice 16: yeah i just sometimes i miss

[3:44:45] Voice 16: um yeah so i support the original sort of proposal um and just spending the rest of

[3:44:54] Voice 16: the staff recommendations i just want a chance to go through the table so

[3:44:57] Voice 16: i did have a question about the other well so

[3:45:02] Voice 17: A

[3:45:03] Trustee Yates (probable): couple things. Thank you so much for this really good staff report. And again, may I

[3:45:11] Trustee Yates (probable): say how grateful I am to have a professional biologist on staff for this report. This is

[3:45:18] Trustee Yates (probable): a really good report. I have a couple of things. First of all, in a positive sense, how much

[3:45:30] Trustee Yates (probable): I appreciate your presence here today and how much I appreciate that you have been amazing

[3:45:37] Trustee Yates (probable): stewards of that property. I know you have. I've lived here for 43 years and I'm well aware of the

[3:45:44] Trustee Yates (probable): fact that nothing has changed except the forest has grown bigger, trees have fallen down, there's

[3:45:50] Trustee Yates (probable): Gary oak in there, there's amphibious, there's Douglas fir, it's beautiful and I really appreciate

[3:45:55] Trustee Yates (probable): that i also appreciate the problem of trespass when we did the site visit in january it happened

[3:46:03] Trustee Yates (probable): we were right there and somebody comes down with two dogs off leash booming through your property

[3:46:08] Trustee Yates (probable): and booming through the park i don't think this is going to solve any trespass problem unfortunately

[3:46:15] Trustee Yates (probable): i do think that going back to say 2021 when you might not know this but i was on the original

[3:46:25] Trustee Yates (probable): committee that tried to contact you as landowners. I was on the invasive species committee that was

[3:46:32] Trustee Yates (probable): trying to deal with the broom in the park. And the only way we could deal with it was to contact

[3:46:37] Trustee Yates (probable): the neighbors to somehow get control of that room as well. Otherwise, there's no hope of controlling

[3:46:43] Trustee Yates (probable): the broom in the park. And at that point, we had a parks person, Erica McLaren, suggest that parks

[3:46:51] Trustee Yates (probable): would help you build a fence and perhaps plant native species like the rose to help provide a

[3:46:59] Trustee Yates (probable): fence or border and keep people off your land in a more practical way would not go right down to the

[3:47:05] Trustee Yates (probable): water that wouldn't be practical anyway but but there were offers of ways to to get your privacy

[3:47:11] Trustee Yates (probable): and to keep people off the land and to adjust the borders and I know at that time from my notes from

[3:47:18] Trustee Yates (probable): that meeting you were kind of less interested in dealing with galt and the broom and more interested

[3:47:23] Trustee Yates (probable): in in worrying about your property boundary with parks and i don't blame you i wouldn't agree so

[3:47:31] Trustee Yates (probable): here's the thing the little piece that you're proposing and i do call it a slipper sorry i've

[3:47:38] Trustee Yates (probable): been involved in amenity zonings for decades literally not just on gabriela all over

[3:47:44] Trustee Yates (probable): of the islands trust area i watch them very carefully what does the community get what do

[3:47:51] Trustee Yates (probable): the landowners get is it a good deal for both parties i really want that and i especially want

[3:47:57] Trustee Yates (probable): that for your family who obviously needs to live here when you do it's wonderful to have you here

[3:48:04] Trustee Yates (probable): in our presence this particular deal as it stands now the community is not getting very much

[3:48:12] Trustee Yates (probable): The community is getting a tiny little strip of land to add to BC Parks and the ability to control the brood.

[3:48:21] Trustee Yates (probable): That's what we're getting, the ability to control the invasive brood that's coming over into the park area.

[3:48:27] Trustee Yates (probable): And we're also getting, as you suggest, if BC Parks wants to build, safe access to the beach.

[3:48:36] Trustee Yates (probable): but we're not getting a big enough piece of that large common area of your property

[3:48:42] Trustee Yates (probable): that would actually give the community access that exists already in those stone shelving

[3:48:49] Trustee Yates (probable): steps that are already there um because as far as i can determine and i've asked planner

[3:48:56] Trustee Yates (probable): all this we've looked at photographs we i didn't actually go down to measure right on the land but

[3:49:02] Trustee Yates (probable): It looks as though where you've drawn that line

[3:49:05] Trustee Yates (probable): cuts off the natural stone shelving steps that go to the beach

[3:49:11] Trustee Yates (probable): and that other steps would have to be constructed

[3:49:15] Trustee Yates (probable): for safe access to the beach by the public.

[3:49:19] Trustee Yates (probable): So I just want to make sure that you hear

[3:49:22] Trustee Yates (probable): how much I appreciate your family being here,

[3:49:25] Trustee Yates (probable): how much I appreciate the fact that that coastal Douglas fir forest

[3:49:29] Trustee Yates (probable): has been beautifully stewarded by you.

[3:49:33] Trustee Yates (probable): but this is an amenity zoning deal and i only speak on behalf of the community not myself

[3:49:40] Trustee Yates (probable): and i do not speak in any miserly kind of way because i love that your family is here and i

[3:49:46] Trustee Yates (probable): hope they'll be here for many generations to come i speak on behalf of the fact that

[3:49:51] Trustee Yates (probable): the community is not really getting very much here and you if we approve the application as you wish

[3:50:01] Trustee Yates (probable): you want to have those three separate properties that's a lot to ask our staff is suggesting

[3:50:09] Trustee Yates (probable): that we give you that we give you permission for the dwellings and make them all legal and

[3:50:18] Trustee Yates (probable): everything by zoning a special zone and not subdividing because that doesn't go with what

[3:50:25] Trustee Yates (probable): we are not supporting more subdivision of large lots and that's what you're asking for

[3:50:30] Trustee Yates (probable): I would consider that I would consider giving you those three separate properties not recommended by staff. If you can see it in your hearts to move that line over just a little bit more to give people the access to the beach that they've been taking more or less on your property with all due respect, because I really do respect your privacy.

[3:50:59] Trustee Yates (probable): And that's also why I really understand, when I was on this original invasive species committee,

[3:51:05] Trustee Yates (probable): sometimes it pains to be around for a while, why you didn't really want to deal with Galt.

[3:51:10] Trustee Yates (probable): At that time, you were really more concerned about trespassing.

[3:51:14] Trustee Yates (probable): But I do feel that I do.

[3:51:17] Trustee Yates (probable): In the last year, you've been really, really responsive to Galt and to their requests.

[3:51:22] Trustee Yates (probable): And I'm glad of that.

[3:51:24] Trustee Yates (probable): I really appreciate that.

[3:51:26] Voice 27: so we were planning to we didn't know where that line was going to end up

[3:51:30] Voice 27: because we were putting together these proposals and so in terms of the fence we wouldn't have

[3:51:37] Voice 27: known where to put that fence because we wouldn't want to build a fence if we were going to be with

[3:51:41] Voice 27: the dedication it was not going to have to get moved so the problem became with we couldn't

[3:51:45] Voice 27: build a fence without knowing where the line would end up the boundary line so we relied on the broom

[3:51:50] Voice 27: because it's a small and interesting thing, right?

[3:51:54] Voice 27: And so we did use the broom, but it's interesting.

[3:51:59] Voice 27: My favorite broom is the resin broom.

[3:52:03] Voice 27: I know you worry about the invasive species.

[3:52:06] Voice 27: I actually worry about the fire, because we can't have that right now,

[3:52:09] Voice 27: which is a big part of this application.

[3:52:11] Voice 27: But leaving that aside, I apologize that I didn't convey it,

[3:52:16] Voice 27: like we really had no other boundary.

[3:52:19] Voice 27: is so dry down there you can't just bring a truck in and put down cedar trees or something that's

[3:52:24] Voice 27: going to quickly take it's a long process to replace that the foliage like you're going to

[3:52:29] Voice 27: go something that's going to make it and grow up high enough to give you a little bit of privacy

[3:52:33] Voice 27: so that was kind of the reason for it um and once we were we got all that everything to the point

[3:52:41] Voice 27: we're at now where we know where we're going to end up or what we're prepared to donate and

[3:52:45] Voice 27: and obviously put our mind to what you just said,

[3:52:48] Voice 27: that's when we can say, okay, well, let's just get on with this

[3:52:50] Voice 27: because there's so much work being done on that room,

[3:52:53] Voice 27: and now they're working on the other side of the trail.

[3:52:56] Voice 27: I'll tell you one of the things we worried about

[3:52:58] Voice 27: with what you mentioned about the property line,

[3:53:00] Voice 27: like moving it over and getting a larger donation.

[3:53:03] Voice 17: So

[3:53:04] Voice 27: Dolph and Nick, we used to bring his car down there,

[3:53:06] Voice 17: and

[3:53:06] Voice 27: it was a driveway.

[3:53:07] Voice 27: And so that used to be our way in, actually, was through that yellow gate.

[3:53:11] Voice 27: That was our driveway until we created our own.

[3:53:13] Voice 27: when they, BC Parks said we don't like

[3:53:16] Voice 27: neighbors having access point

[3:53:17] Voice 27: using park land in case we have to close

[3:53:19] Voice 27: parks. But

[3:53:21] Voice 27: we've been sensitive to that

[3:53:24] Voice 27: becoming

[3:53:26] Voice 27: a traffic point

[3:53:27] Voice 27: for people.

[3:53:29] Voice 27: You know, they're already,

[3:53:31] Voice 27: you've got all the drum bag and that

[3:53:33] Voice 27: piece down there, you know,

[3:53:35] Voice 27: is it going to be a big flow

[3:53:37] Voice 27: of people? Because, you know,

[3:53:40] Voice 27: what you said is, you know, it's not

[3:53:41] Voice 27: going to resolve the trespass problem.

[3:53:43] Voice 27: That's exactly, that's exactly the issue. So the more people you track down there, the more we're going to have, you know, ingress into our property from people who are just going to want to walk over.

[3:53:54] Voice 27: And so this is where we've been wrestling in our own minds with this dilemma. We hear what you're saying about that. That's a nice crushed sand beach down there.

[3:54:06] Voice 27: I don't know what you would put it on it's all rock but it that's the worry it used to be a

[3:54:12] Voice 27: literally where you drive a car in so unless BC parks were to make some form of commitment that

[3:54:18] Voice 27: would never there would never be vehicle access down there but we bought the property you couldn't

[3:54:22] Voice 27: drive in the drum day they didn't allow car access until about 1976. it

[3:54:27] Voice 27: was a walk-in park right

[3:54:29] Voice 27: so

[3:54:29] Trustee Yates (probable): to address that that's a very good point and I and I see that visually

[3:54:33] Trustee Yates (probable): Julie. To address

[3:54:35] Trustee Yates (probable): that, I could go back to, I think it's

[3:54:37] Trustee Yates (probable): a 2021 memo from Erica

[3:54:39] Trustee Yates (probable): McLean at BC Parks, who

[3:54:41] Trustee Yates (probable): offered to work with

[3:54:43] Trustee Yates (probable): Galt and the

[3:54:45] Trustee Yates (probable): property owners to build a

[3:54:47] Trustee Yates (probable): fence, maybe split rail,

[3:54:49] Trustee Yates (probable): that's not going to keep people out, but then

[3:54:51] Trustee Yates (probable): to plant native species like

[3:54:53] Trustee Yates (probable): rose, the Nipka rose, the bulkhead rose,

[3:54:55] Trustee Yates (probable): the snowberry, that do

[3:54:57] Trustee Yates (probable): are very adaptable to drought

[3:54:59] Trustee Yates (probable): conditions. You would never plant cedar

[3:55:01] Trustee Yates (probable): there. I mean, cedar would just be out of the

[3:55:03] Trustee Yates (probable): question um but it'll take a while for that to grow in that would be a beautiful shrubbery

[3:55:09] Trustee Yates (probable): and proper fence delineation and then you would have better privacy you know i i would just love

[3:55:19] Trustee Yates (probable): to see that to me that would be a really win-win situation your family gets the subdivision they're

[3:55:26] Trustee Yates (probable): asking for which i'm reluctant to say yes to i'm not reluctant to say yes to legalizing your homes

[3:55:34] Trustee Yates (probable): that's not a problem a site-specific zone i'm reluctant to say yes to the subdivision you're

[3:55:41] Trustee Yates (probable): asking for unless you could give just a little bit more of that area so that those stone steps that

[3:55:50] Trustee Yates (probable): are already there can be used rather than asking BC Parks to come in and build extra stuff or

[3:55:58] Trustee Yates (probable): safer access to that because people are going to come on the beach.

[3:56:02] Voice 27: I'd like some clarity because

[3:56:03] Voice 27: you may notice next time you go that people are walking up the bank on a

[3:56:07] Voice 27: diagonal to avoid going

[3:56:10] Voice 27: up the rocks, right? And so they're beating a path in, you may have seen it there, right? The

[3:56:16] Voice 27: The stone steps

[3:56:17] Voice 27: down there in front of our cottage,

[3:56:21] Voice 27: I assume what you're referring to is that where people

[3:56:24] Voice 27: are naturally walking up the bank, so they don't have to walk up the rocks.

[3:56:27] Trustee Yates (probable): There aren't

[3:56:29] Voice 27: any shelving stones there.

[3:56:32] Voice 27: They're literally walking up the bank, which isn't that steep.

[3:56:36] Voice 27: It's a lot less steep than the rocks. Is that the area that you're

[3:56:40] Voice 27: referring to? Exactly, yes.

[3:56:41] Trustee Yates (probable): Not your steps, not your nice

[3:56:46] Trustee Yates (probable): No, no, no, just a little bit more over so that the steep rocks are avoided and the more

[3:56:54] Trustee Yates (probable): the stone shelving area is

[3:56:56] Trustee Yates (probable): available to the public,

[3:56:57] Voice 6: the area right in front of the bench.

[3:57:27] Trustee Yates (probable): I don't know, but that's important. I know this sounds ridiculous,

[3:57:30] Trustee Yates (probable): of it but you i'm here only on behalf of the community yes okay and as i say i have a lot

[3:57:37] Trustee Yates (probable): of experience with amenity zoning and i want them i want it to be good for both parties

[3:57:43] Trustee Yates (probable): and

[3:57:44] Voice 5: i

[3:57:45] Trustee Yates (probable): want this community to get just a little bit more than that little sliver

[3:57:52] Voice 27: you know so we will speak to it but i think you know we'll take it back and um make that make it

[3:57:58] Voice 27: we need to look at that yeah

[3:58:00] Voice 14: you need to look at it

[3:58:01] Voice 27: i've explained to you that oh yeah but i will

[3:58:04] Voice 27: we can we can ponder

[3:58:06] Trustee Maude (probable): so it's a path forward basically to the furthest next meeting

[3:58:10] Trustee Maude (probable): yes

[3:58:11] Trustee Yates (probable): but also not to lose anything here it will also involve bc parks because we do have an

[3:58:17] Trustee Yates (probable): original commitment in 2021 from bc parks because they will probably be glad together

[3:58:22] Trustee Yates (probable): other to help with possible fence building and possible native species planting we also have a

[3:58:29] Trustee Yates (probable): commitment from gulf but all of those things will have to be worked out past promises don't

[3:58:35] Trustee Yates (probable): necessarily translate but i think if you were to make that offer to this community they would come

[3:58:42] Trustee Yates (probable): forward to help you just show the map yeah the map doesn't help me to so it doesn't okay yeah

[3:58:49] Trustee Yates (probable): because I have that now. I was trying to figure out if the little shelving things that people

[3:58:54] Trustee Yates (probable): walk down instead of the steep rocks. Right. So right now we've got the large hinge there.

[3:59:02] Trustee Yates (probable): Exactly. Right there. Right. Yes. Here. Yeah.

[3:59:06] Trustee Yates (probable): That's the thing I do on

[3:59:07] Trustee Yates (probable): my top. Right. Okay.

[3:59:10] Trustee Yates (probable): Right. Yeah. And that's what's crippled in on my top. Right there.

[3:59:15] Trustee Yates (probable): working out. So I think that's right. Right. Right. Yeah. So

[3:59:22] Trustee Yates (probable): then it

[3:59:22] Voice 17: was

[3:59:24] Trustee Yates (probable): really just, it was just to me that I

[3:59:26] Voice 15: know. Okay,

[3:59:29] Voice 29: thanks.

[3:59:30] Voice 16: Sorry to be so complicated.

[3:59:33] Voice 5: Just to you.

[3:59:34] Voice 5: So

[3:59:35] Voice 16: I have a bit of a different view in this isn't trade off

[3:59:41] Voice 16: off like an amenities only. Well, I have to say

[3:59:46] Voice 10: that's

[3:59:48] Voice 16: why we're here. I think the covenant is

[3:59:53] Voice 16: great. It is that is a huge community benefit. I have seen the forest, we've walked in it.

[4:00:00] Voice 16: um there's incredible understory and the way that your family is committed to the stewardship of the

[4:00:06] Voice 16: land itself is a community benefit so i don't see this in terms of mechanical trade-offs and

[4:00:13] Voice 16: slices of land and i think your argument is actually pretty persuasive that that point

[4:00:18] Voice 16: is is an incredible um attribute in itself it's it's a place that people go to see

[4:00:27] Voice 16: the wonder of this beautiful special place so you're already contributing a lot and i want to

[4:00:34] Voice 16: recognize that um if there's and my second like my second concern is when you spoke about the

[4:00:43] Voice 16: traffic and encouraging more traffic that is um you know would potentially you know detract from

[4:00:52] Voice 16: what you're trying to do which is strike a balance between the enjoyment of your property and the

[4:00:57] Voice 16: the public's enjoyment of the park and so um you know we always come at the it's come at the

[4:01:05] Voice 16: friction point right at the borders of things so defining the borders uh it does get really tough

[4:01:10] Voice 16: so i i do see this as maybe this is a deferral and a question for you to consider um to bring

[4:01:17] Voice 16: it back maybe if it's not more reporting or information but um let's ponder on this think

[4:01:23] Voice 16: you know talk to bc parks and galt and consider what your family's um you know you need to

[4:01:29] Voice 16: evaluate is this worth it i am like regardless of whether the slice or sliver or a beautiful

[4:01:37] Voice 16: viewpoint um is i don't consider that as okay well give me the subdivision um my issue with

[4:01:48] Voice 16: subdivision from a practical standpoint as well as um you know where this community is is going

[4:01:55] Voice 16: is to stop carving up land in a way that irreparably harms the environment or erodes

[4:02:03] Voice 16: the environment for solely monetary value and we've heard that over and over again that subdivision

[4:02:09] Voice 16: creates wealth because then you can keep selling it um but you're creating a lot of more impact

[4:02:16] Voice 16: as you put in more driveways and more septic systems and wells and everything for each

[4:02:21] Voice 16: individual house so that doesn't really apply in this case because the houses are there the

[4:02:29] Voice 16: development was done and they were quite small and sensitive and the covenant would prohibit

[4:02:35] Voice 16: extra development so i'm not opposed to subdivision in this case because the purpose of

[4:02:42] Voice 16: of preventing subdivision for just monetary value

[4:02:45] Voice 16: is really to, yeah, as I said,

[4:02:49] Voice 16: prevent the extra impacts on the land.

[4:02:54] Voice 16: So yeah, so I'm not opposed to that.

[4:02:58] Voice 16: I think there's a bit more of a,

[4:03:00] Voice 16: and there's no ideological attachment

[4:03:02] Voice 16: with an eight-hectare minimum.

[4:03:04] Voice 16: That's just, it's a policy and it should be implemented,

[4:03:09] Voice 16: you know, and then there's some cases

[4:03:12] Voice 16: where there needs to be an exception and we evaluated and that's what we're doing today

[4:03:15] Voice 16: i appreciate all the arguments um can we see this come back for next meeting and maybe ask

[4:03:23] Voice 16: your family to consider um additional easement or additional uh dedication and sort of the cost

[4:03:31] Voice 16: benefit analysis you may need to go through for that yeah

[4:03:35] Voice 5: we didn't come back to that actually

[4:03:44] Voice 5: yeah yeah we are i mean

[4:03:45] Voice 9: uh the chair this for st port would just show up on your agenda again

[4:03:50] Voice 9: um in may

[4:03:53] Voice 5: um

[4:03:55] Voice 9: the one thing to maybe contemplate the so the recommendations the recommendation

[4:04:07] Voice 9: is is such that some of the information is requested at certain timing based on

[4:04:16] Voice 9: If you're contemplating that, it can come back still in May, but just a consideration that some of the timing of when that information might be provided may update the report, just to reflect that as an alternative, if you're considering a subdivision, to reflect some of the different timing of that information showing up, but.

[4:04:36] Voice 9: um

[4:04:37] Voice 16: so that's what sort of information are you thinking the time like the survey and what

[4:04:45] Voice 16: if there's

[4:04:47] Voice 9: if there's a it's just to reflect that if there was to be a future subdivision

[4:04:51] Voice 9: application there's requirements for subdivision to show proof of water to show and for different

[4:04:56] Voice 9: things like that that this recommendation doesn't contemplate because the subdivision

[4:05:01] Voice 9: wasn't recommended so it's not to change the intent it's just a just that the information

[4:05:06] Voice 9: would be provided but it's just it would just recognize perhaps an alternative some of that

[4:05:10] Voice 9: finer detail so

[4:05:12] Voice 16: can could we ask you to go back and redraft the report with subdivision

[4:05:18] Voice 16: consideration and what would be the next steps you

[4:05:22] Voice 9: you can just defer it and i i will just probably

[4:05:25] Voice 9: update the report to run back here the recommendation will be the same yeah it won't

[4:05:30] Voice 9: change but the alternative can be a little bit more detailed so

[4:05:35] Voice 16: and i did have a question about

[4:05:36] Voice 16: the well so because we're talking about impacts and and everything and i was reading through the

[4:05:42] Voice 16: high geologist report um and i do have questions about whether it conforms to the assessment of our

[4:05:53] Voice 16: the geotech or the the fresh water report done by GW Solutions or

[4:06:01] Voice 15: we I would not have

[4:06:02] Voice 15: a review in the context of that report.

[4:06:05] Voice 9: So through the chair the unit fresh water specialist has um did review the hydrogeological

[4:06:12] Voice 9: report and did provide um

[4:06:14] Voice 5: support

[4:06:16] Voice 9: with this um but the timing of it was prior to the fresh

[4:06:20] Voice 9: water footprint uh project or report being published um right

[4:06:26] Voice 16: but he would he would have

[4:06:27] Voice 16: the water is it's also

[4:06:32] Voice 16: okay we can look at the water issue later

[4:06:39] Voice 16: so

[4:06:40] Trustee Yates (probable): i wanted to also comment on the covenant that's an amazing covenant that you would agree to

[4:06:47] Trustee Yates (probable): and that is also really important because of that beautiful second growth douglasford forest and the

[4:06:54] Trustee Yates (probable): arbutus and the gary oak meadow that is like the intent of that covenant is so honorable

[4:07:00] Trustee Yates (probable): thank you thanks for

[4:07:05] Voice 16: doing all this work okay

[4:07:06] Trustee Maude (probable): so at this point we'll just refer this to the

[4:07:10] Trustee Maude (probable): next meeting yeah and

[4:07:12] Voice 16: pending a little more discussion and a

[4:07:14] Trustee Yates (probable): final thank you to the amazing

[4:07:19] Trustee Yates (probable): staff who put

[4:07:20] Trustee Yates (probable): together this table of what's there now um what the applicant has proposed

[4:07:27] Trustee Yates (probable): what the staff has recommended so that we can look at the and really do a really good

[4:07:33] Trustee Yates (probable): comparison okay what will be good for the community what will be good for the applicant

[4:07:37] Trustee Yates (probable): good how can we make this work that is so helpful thank you thank

[4:07:43] Trustee Maude (probable): you very much

[4:07:45] Voice 17: i

[4:07:46] Trustee Maude (probable): regrettably probably won't be here next meeting but um we're going to see you at the next meeting

[4:07:50] Trustee Maude (probable): i'll be asked the chair thank you very much okay so next up we have pl dp 2025

[4:08:02] Trustee Maude (probable): 0481. And this is, we have Tanner Cox here, so over to you, sir.

[4:08:07] Voice 5: Thank you, Chairman. You have announced a, well, I'll never say it, because it's in D.P.

[4:08:14] You should come over and see it, I don't think you can see it.

[4:08:19] Voice 9: In the first event, and before you had the island center, the two lots, single ownerships,

[4:08:29] Voice 9: you had a DP before you last year for lot two, this is for lot one, it was the structure

[4:08:37] Voice 9: they were building, the guest cabin, it's essentially a residence on the other lot,

[4:08:43] Voice 9: So on the northernmost lot, the application was extremely similar to the last one that

[4:08:48] Voice 9: you had before you.

[4:08:49] Voice 9: In fact, it's sort of the same designer they hired, you know, for consistency, the same

[4:08:56] Voice 9: environmental consulting company and arborist and geotechnic.

[4:09:01] Voice 9: So similar to the last one, so the recommendations, those reports have been added to the permit

[4:09:11] Voice 9: that has conditions and so I'll find that meets the guidelines and that's able to also make that

[4:09:17] Voice 9: determination so I'll leave it there thank you is the applicant with us the

[4:09:21] Voice 25: applicant is online

[4:09:22] Voice 25: okay

[4:09:22] Trustee Maude (probable): yes all right okay thank you very much so trustees questions comments

[4:09:31] Voice 16: any comments made from the agent first welcome so

[4:09:37] Voice 13: hi can you hear us it's my name is cedric yeah

[4:09:40] Voice 13: Yeah. And Nada and I are the applicants.

[4:09:44] Voice 5: Awesome.

[4:09:46] Trustee Maude (probable): Okay. Did you have any comments or are you open for questions?

[4:09:52] Voice 13: We don't have any comments. No, thank you.

[4:09:56] Trustee Maude (probable): Okay. Thank you. So, trustees, questions?

[4:10:00] Trustee Yates (probable): Thank you for the staff report.

[4:10:02] Trustee Yates (probable): As always, I never cease to be amazed at how good these staff reports are.

[4:10:08] Trustee Yates (probable): So, thank you. I'm in favor of approving it.

[4:10:15] Trustee Yates (probable): No,

[4:10:16] Trustee Maude (probable): my only question was 3.3, if there's a commentary about evasive piece, such as

[4:10:22] Trustee Maude (probable): should be removed, is that property-wide, or is it a specific area?

[4:10:28] Trustee Maude (probable): I know there's an identified specific area in the site plan, but it wasn't quite clear

[4:10:34] Trustee Maude (probable): as to whether you were talking about the entire property, or just the proposed areas.

[4:10:43] Voice 9: So to answer that, Chair, the second clause in that provision is carried out in an event

[4:10:51] Voice 9: in dissatisfaction with the QEP.

[4:10:53] Voice 9: So that was left rather open to their professional discretion in this, as some of the other conditions

[4:10:59] Voice 9: are.

[4:11:00] Voice 9: It gets very difficult at times to get too prescriptive, and the report is also a schedule

[4:11:06] Voice 9: to the permit.

[4:11:06] Voice 9: So that was the intent, and also that essentially it was in the disturbed developed areas that those removal activities are taking place.

[4:11:18] Voice 5: Thank you.

[4:11:24] Voice 5: I

[4:11:24] Voice 16: have two questions then.

[4:11:27] Voice 16: So the proposed development is set to be entirely within 30 metres of the natural boundary of the sea,

[4:11:34] Voice 16: and it will be two and a half times bigger

[4:11:37] Voice 16: than the current guest house footprint.

[4:11:45] Voice 16: And this isn't, it's not an issue.

[4:11:48] Voice 16: I just wanted to raise it

[4:11:49] Voice 16: because we have different land use bylaws

[4:11:52] Voice 16: for different islands

[4:11:54] Voice 16: and depending on when they were developed.

[4:11:59] Voice 16: So much for instance.

[4:12:02] Voice 16: Anyway, it's kind of an issue for me

[4:12:05] Voice 16: that we still have a land use bylaw that still has built an entire house within that 30 meters

[4:12:11] Voice 16: natural boundary to see it isn't consistent with the direction the provincial you know

[4:12:19] Voice 16: minimums um or the direction the province is going so i'm a little bit torn that that's

[4:12:29] Voice 16: going to be the situation

[4:12:32] Voice 16: but we're not there to consider

[4:12:35] Voice 16: anything but the GP

[4:12:36] Voice 16: so I just wanted to raise that

[4:12:39] Voice 16: and

[4:12:40] Voice 16: that seemed unfair

[4:12:42] Trustee Yates (probable): well it's also, the reason the province

[4:12:47] Trustee Yates (probable): is going in the direction of much

[4:12:48] Trustee Yates (probable): greater setbacks from the sea is for

[4:12:50] Trustee Yates (probable): a very good reason, it's

[4:12:52] Voice 16: for climate change

[4:12:53] Voice 14: and

[4:12:54] Voice 16: visual aspects

[4:12:55] Voice 14: and all

[4:12:56] Voice 16: the

[4:12:57] Voice 16: cultural material that is

[4:12:58] Voice 16: in the shoreline area

[4:12:59] Voice 16: yeah so of

[4:13:01] Trustee Yates (probable): course a place that's two and a half times bigger than the original one

[4:13:04] Trustee Yates (probable): you're going to see it from a long way away yeah um so yeah i definitely share your concern trustee

[4:13:10] Trustee Yates (probable): elliott um but that's how hopefully in our new ocp we will have a greater shoreline setback

[4:13:18] Trustee Yates (probable): all sorts of reasons

[4:13:19] Voice 17: um

[4:13:20] Voice 16: so the second uh question i guess to the applicant um

[4:13:26] Voice 16: Have you had any conversation with any First Nations or the Senemong First Nation with regards to the preservation and protection of cultural heritage and how that's, how's that conversation going?

[4:13:40] Voice 16: I know we sort of raised the last meeting when we were considering the first DP, but just acknowledging that there's significant cultural and heritage and archaeological sites on this island.

[4:13:54] Voice 16: And it's something we want to bring awareness to.

[4:13:58] Voice 13: I don't

[4:13:59] Voice 16: know if you have any information to add to that.

[4:14:02] Voice 13: Yeah, maybe you could fill me in on this a little bit more.

[4:14:06] Voice 13: But hi, it's Cedric here.

[4:14:08] Voice 13: So at our last meeting, you did mention this to us

[4:14:11] Voice 13: and we did pursue it with the local First Nations

[4:14:15] Voice 13: and had no response received from that first inquiry.

[4:14:21] Voice 13: So we, we didn't actually pursue another inquiry on base on the basis of this application we, I don't think we've had any communication with them. We, so we tried to communicate we never received anything back is, is my, is my comment on that.

[4:14:43] Voice 14: Well,

[4:14:45] Voice 16: this doesn't trigger a referral, this doesn't trigger, I think we'd asked if

[4:14:52] Voice 16: information could be shared via the communication channels we have with the NILA, just to

[4:15:00] Voice 16: raise awareness that development will be proceeding there.

[4:15:09] Voice 16: But it's possible that that's going to be done through the building permitting process.

[4:15:15] Voice 16: Staff, do you have any advice on this?

[4:15:18] Voice 9: So through the Chair, some of the established processes for gross decision-making were discretionary groups like TUPs, DBDs, and obviously by-law amendment applications.

[4:15:31] Voice 9: But whereas it is different as it's mentioned for DPs, as the LCCs are aware through other

[4:15:39] Voice 9: applications that have come out recently, I think that the LCC could request that, you

[4:15:45] Voice 9: know, staff specifically provide information on the decision that an LTC makes on a DP

[4:15:52] Voice 9: permit for information sharing and or request further info on the protocol agreements as

[4:15:59] Voice 9: information as well and how that's how that's been requested through that channel and we're um uh

[4:16:05] Voice 9: direct that that question to you again so yeah answer the question yeah

[4:16:13] Voice 16: i think we just want to

[4:16:15] Voice 16: be in a good position where all of our agencies and your client and the property owner is well

[4:16:21] Voice 16: aware of um their responsibilities and what is happening and is informed um we are not i'm not

[4:16:29] Voice 16: asking to add any conditions or requirements uh to this dp it's more information sharing because

[4:16:38] Voice 16: new people new to the islands um may not be aware of how um how archaeological

[4:16:46] Voice 16: assessments need to be undertaken or if there's a need for phone monitors so

[4:16:52] Voice 16: if there's a way that we can support that and share information to senate impersonation so

[4:16:58] Voice 16: that they are aware there is a development proposed on this beautiful island and there

[4:17:07] Voice 16: are known art sites there then we can leave that up with them and they can get in touch with you

[4:17:12] Voice 16: if there's

[4:17:13] Voice 15: concerns

[4:17:15] Voice 16: or just want to follow up would that be okay to the applicant sorry

[4:17:25] Voice 16: oh

[4:17:25] Voice 13: yeah sorry I thought you were talking to the platter I'm I apologize yes that's fine

[4:17:30] Voice 13: um i i just i will say like we did we have tried um and in in good faith we did try this this this

[4:17:39] Voice 13: site that we're contemplating is the current it it goes on the current footprint of an existing

[4:17:46] Voice 13: two-story dwelling right so we're we're building um on the northern half of the island the total

[4:17:53] Voice 13: square footage for this for this cabin is 1 600 square feet so it's relatively small it's not a

[4:18:00] Voice 13: large house and uh and while it may be it may be twice the size or two and a half times the size

[4:18:07] Voice 13: as you say but the overall square footage because it's all across one story it's less prominent so

[4:18:13] Voice 13: we've really tried to minimize the impact of of the building by citing it in the current location

[4:18:21] Voice 13: of the house and using the current utilities and so forth and and just as a reminder this is the

[4:18:26] Voice 13: only residence on the entire northern half 30 acres of this whatever it is 20 30 acres of this

[4:18:34] Voice 13: island right so that's it for the whole island i

[4:18:39] Voice 16: understand yeah um

[4:18:40] Voice 16: thank you however you've

[4:18:43] Voice 16: raised an important point that total area footage while it might be reduced you are expanding the

[4:18:48] Voice 16: footprint on the land and it is within the 30 meters of the high water mark of the sea which is

[4:18:57] Voice 16: the the areas that have been traditionally used by coastal first uh coastal first nations for

[4:19:04] Voice 16: thousands of years so there is quite high likelihood of heritage archaeological materials

[4:19:12] Voice 16: materials in all of the shorelines but especially where it makes sense to build a house so um we're

[4:19:20] Voice 16: just raising uh the importance of engaging with uh particularly the first nation um as you go

[4:19:31] Voice 16: through the building process there is not the opportunity through this dp we can inform the

[4:19:36] Voice 16: nation and raise the conversation but just because it's on the footprint of the house i mean this is

[4:19:41] Voice 16: developed you're going to have construction there yeah the lay down sites uh as we discussed at the

[4:19:47] Voice 16: last meeting or within you know 100 meters i think of um known art to known archaeological sites

[4:19:54] Voice 16: so i just don't want you to be in a position or you're the landowner of causing alarm and

[4:20:04] Voice 16: and concerned if we can engage in information sharing process

[4:20:10] Voice 16: so that we know about this in a good way.

[4:20:13] Voice 16: This isn't a typical development area.

[4:20:16] Voice 16: These are special, very ecologically and culturally sensitive islands.

[4:20:24] Voice 13: I understand.

[4:20:25] Voice 13: Thank you.

[4:20:26] Voice 13: Well, we're open to any suggestion as to how to best reach out.

[4:20:29] Voice 13: Like I said, we did try to reach out last time,

[4:20:31] Voice 13: and we did not receive a response.

[4:20:34] Voice 16: Yeah.

[4:20:35] Voice 16: I think, and my hope is that staff would be able to do this because we have ongoing conversations about different projects.

[4:20:42] Voice 16: So I think the opportunity is through the DP, after the issuance of the DP, staff can, through their communication with the Santa Ana First Nation,

[4:20:53] Voice 16: share this information and they can follow up with you if there's more information needed.

[4:21:02] Voice 16: but you have the chance clients protocol you have awareness if there's something found that all the

[4:21:08] Voice 16: work must stop and all that

[4:21:10] Voice 17: so

[4:21:11] Voice 16: yeah so

[4:21:12] Trustee Yates (probable): good so question for staff um this recommendation comes

[4:21:16] Trustee Yates (probable): with a number of conditions do we need to add that as a condition is that helpful or would it

[4:21:23] Trustee Yates (probable): to start a medically happening.

[4:21:30] Voice 9: Chair, I think that probably clarifying,

[4:21:39] Voice 9: I think clarifying what is the LTC wishes to do,

[4:21:42] Voice 9: we would have to put it in his face.

[4:21:44] Voice 9: You could have a camera once you've thought about that.

[4:21:51] Voice 9: I think it could be good to just clarify that the LTC wishes,

[4:21:54] Voice 9: is if that's the case to to um to specifically send information regarding the ltc incident on

[4:22:00] Voice 9: this program to send a report that would be very very clear

[4:22:03] Trustee Maude (probable): so

[4:22:04] Voice 9: you have your hand up

[4:22:07] Voice 9: thank

[4:22:07] Voice 3: you chair um thank you um planner cox just to just to echo what planner cox had said that

[4:22:15] Voice 3: would be a good suggestion um just for just for clarity um the ltc could could um request staff

[4:22:21] Voice 3: to share that just to make sure that's done um through through some action for ms as well and um

[4:22:27] Voice 3: we're happy to do that thank

[4:22:30] Voice 16: you fantastic so so i'll make that motion as a separate one

[4:22:35] Voice 16: after or you

[4:22:37] Voice 3: can add it

[4:22:37] Voice 16: to the one of the conditions no it's not a condition of the up

[4:22:40] Voice 16: through

[4:22:41] Voice 3: the chair just to clarify it wouldn't be a condition but it could be

[4:22:45] Voice 3: a separate resolution as well yeah

[4:22:48] Voice 16: thank you so yeah so i'll see

[4:22:52] Trustee Yates (probable): so

[4:22:52] Trustee Maude (probable): chrissy is you're prepared to make notions sure

[4:22:56] Trustee Yates (probable): i can start this one off while you're

[4:22:59] Trustee Yates (probable): thinking okay i moved that the gabriela island local trust committee approved

[4:23:08] Trustee Yates (probable): pldp 20250481 with the following conditions habitat impact mitigation and on-site monitoring

[4:23:15] Trustee Yates (probable): A qualified environmental professional with knowledge of terrestrial habitat and native vegetation shall be retained prior to all site preparation, demolition, and construction activities and for the duration of the project to ensure that the mitigation measures as outlined in Section 7 of the ROE Environmental Report in Schedule A are carried out in accordance with the professional's opinion, prescription, and frequency and duration of scheduled site monitoring.

[4:23:44] Trustee Yates (probable): The QEP will provide information as requested by Island's Trust on the status of the development activities regarding any impacts observed and recommendations for mitigation.

[4:23:56] Trustee Yates (probable): 3.2. All construction activities shall be undertaken in such a manner and under the supervision of a QEP as to avoid and minimize potential surface erosion and off-site sediment transport into the sea.

[4:24:09] Trustee Yates (probable): At a minimum, the measures as outlined in the ROE environmental report should be carried out to minimize soil erosion and control sediment runoff from active work areas for the duration of the development activities.

[4:24:24] Trustee Yates (probable): Tree retention and invasive species control.

[4:24:27] Trustee Yates (probable): Invasive species such as scotch broom shall be removed prior to construction of the new residence to avoid spreading, carried out under the method and to the satisfaction of a qualified environmental professional.

[4:24:41] Trustee Yates (probable): All land clearing with site preparation and development activity on the subject property shall be in accordance with the tree retention program contained in the arborist report by Burley Boys Tree Service in Schedule B.

[4:24:55] Trustee Yates (probable): A QEP shall oversee the installation of tree protection zones prior to development activities for the recommendation from the arborist report to prevent undue damage to critical root systems.

[4:25:07] Trustee Yates (probable): If any encroachment within the critical root zones is required, a certified arborist shall

[4:25:12] Trustee Yates (probable): be consulted.

[4:25:13] Trustee Yates (probable): No native trees shall be removed within 30 meters of the natural boundary of the sea,

[4:25:19] Trustee Yates (probable): except for three trees as identified in the Arborist Report Attention Outline, including

[4:25:25] Trustee Yates (probable): one Arbutus tree and two Douglas fir.

[4:25:27] Trustee Yates (probable): Each tree will be replaced by three trees of similar species, or a total of nine planted

[4:25:35] Trustee Yates (probable): trees.

[4:25:35] Trustee Yates (probable): trees. Limbing or trimming shall be permitted under the supervision of the QEP in order to

[4:25:41] Trustee Yates (probable): ensure safe working conditions. Replanting and post-development reporting. A QEP shall develop

[4:25:49] Trustee Yates (probable): and oversee native vegetation replanting plan as necessary according to their professional opinion

[4:25:55] Trustee Yates (probable): and per the ROE environmental report from Schedule A and Burley Boys Arborist Report dated October

[4:26:01] Trustee Yates (probable): 16, 2025. In Schedule B, the QEP shall provide a post-development report to Islands Trust

[4:26:09] Trustee Yates (probable): six months from the conclusion of construction activities addressing the efficacy and health

[4:26:15] Trustee Yates (probable): of the replanted vegetation. The QEP may specify additional replanting measures at this time.

[4:26:25] Trustee Maude (probable): Trustee Elliott, I take that as a seconded. Seconded.

[4:26:28] Trustee Maude (probable): With a discussion.

[4:26:29] Trustee Maude (probable): All in favor? That's carried.

[4:26:34] Trustee Maude (probable): And you have an additional motion, Trustee Elias?

[4:26:36] Voice 16: Thank you for your patience with this.

[4:26:39] Voice 16: That's good timing.

[4:26:43] Voice 16: Do we have the reference number of the last development permit on our box?

[4:26:49] Voice 16: Yes.

[4:26:52] Voice 15: And

[4:26:56] Voice 16: this is just to facilitate information sharing.

[4:27:00] Voice 16: it's not

[4:27:03] Voice 16: we're still developing our processes

[4:27:05] Voice 16: about

[4:27:05] Voice 16: all these issues

[4:27:10] Voice 16: so that the Gabriel Local Trust Committee

[4:27:12] Voice 16: request staff send information

[4:27:14] Voice 16: to this sending impersonation about

[4:27:16] Voice 16: decisions on the issuance of

[4:27:18] Voice 16: DP

[4:27:20] Voice 16: PLDP

[4:27:20] Voice 16: 2025-0481

[4:27:23] Voice 16: and

[4:27:26] Voice 16: PLDP

[4:27:26] Voice 9: 2025-0308

[4:27:29] Voice 9: thank you

[4:27:31] Voice 15: Thank you. Does that work?

[4:27:38] Voice 10: The first, you said issuance of DP, PLDP.

[4:27:43] Voice 16: Oh, sorry, you're right.

[4:27:44] Voice 10: Is there a DP in front of each of them, or just?

[4:27:47] Voice 16: No, just PLDP, I believe. Yeah, you're right.

[4:27:50] Voice 16: PLDP 25.

[4:27:52] Voice 16: Is that the right one?

[4:27:54] Voice 16: Yeah, or advise.

[4:27:57] Voice 16: That would have been shorter.

[4:27:59] Voice 16: Request staff advise.

[4:28:00] Voice 16: My impersonation about the LTC's decision on the issuance of.

[4:28:07] Voice 16: Thank you.

[4:28:09] Trustee Maude (probable): Seconded.

[4:28:10] Voice 15: Any

[4:28:11] Trustee Maude (probable): further discussion?

[4:28:13] Trustee Maude (probable): Call the question on the banner.

[4:28:15] Trustee Maude (probable): That carries.

[4:28:17] Voice 22: Thank you very much.

[4:28:19] Voice 22: You're

[4:28:20] Trustee Maude (probable): on your way.

[4:28:20] Trustee Maude (probable): Thank you.

[4:28:23] Trustee Maude (probable): All right.

[4:28:24] Trustee Maude (probable): So now we move on to PL

[4:28:27] Trustee Maude (probable): DVP 2026-0049.

[4:28:31] Trustee Maude (probable): Matt,

[4:28:32] Trustee Maude (probable): page 333

[4:28:34] Trustee Maude (probable): of your agenda.

[4:28:35] Trustee Maude (probable): up and we have platter and i'm going to very rudely put your name from all of us

[4:28:45] Voice 16: and chair i need to recuse myself because i know the applicant well their family

[4:28:52] Voice 16: i will be making a decision on this but uh happy to listen to you didn't fill

[4:28:57] Trustee Yates (probable): us in before

[4:29:04] Voice 16: I don't know if I need to leave.

[4:29:07] Voice 16: I'm not going to glare at anybody.

[4:29:09] Trustee Maude (probable): It's important that it's your choice.

[4:29:12] Trustee Maude (probable): So basically, if you're recusing yourself, you have to leave the room.

[4:29:15] Trustee Maude (probable): If you're not, you're...

[4:29:16] Voice 16: Good

[4:29:16] Voice 15: luck.

[4:29:19] Voice 15: I'll be back.

[4:29:22] Voice 16: Yeah, no problem.

[4:29:34] Voice 22: Go for it.

[4:29:35] Voice 15: Thank you, Chairman. Good afternoon. Yeah, so I'll keep this very brief. It's quite a straightforward

[4:29:42] Voice 10: development variance permit application at 930 Ketso Road. The purpose of the report is for you

[4:29:51] Voice 16: to consider the application. And it's basically going to final construction of a most leading

[4:30:00] Voice 16: constructed garage building on the subject property. The development requires a variance

[4:30:06] Voice 16: from the Winderla Island Land Use By-law Regulation D.1.1.3.a.1 to reduce the front lot line setback

[4:30:18] Voice 16: from a minimum of 6 meters to a minimum of 4.5 meters, as well as to reduce the interior

[4:30:25] Voice 16: your lot line setback from the minimum of 1.5 meters to a minimum of 0.5 here

[4:30:33] Voice 16: so yeah if

[4:30:34] Voice 15: you have any questions you can answer them we have not received

[4:30:39] Voice 16: um any correspondence from the public since the time of publishing the report

[4:30:44] Voice 16: um and yeah john the owner is here as well to answer any questions all

[4:30:49] Trustee Maude (probable): right over to you

[4:30:51] Trustee Maude (probable): trustee gains on your shoulders yeah

[4:30:54] Trustee Yates (probable): bummer didn't know they were building in the setback until the

[4:30:58] Trustee Yates (probable): building inspector requested a survey this happens um

[4:31:03] Voice 20: especially with the cost of construction

[4:31:05] Voice 20: nowadays you try we had already the surveyor pin but we didn't have a surveyor come in with

[4:31:13] Voice 20: the foundation and so on so we lost a little bit and because it's only half nature

[4:31:19] Voice 20: uh property like it's really close at the front we try to make it as much as possible and we've

[4:31:25] Voice 20: got lots so

[4:31:27] Trustee Yates (probable): no comments from any neighbors okay i'm just very glad that it is not in the wetland

[4:31:35] Trustee Yates (probable): area that's the most important thing very good i have no other questions thank you for your report

[4:31:46] Trustee Yates (probable): like the minus it's it's really good we really appreciate that in fact if you if we didn't get

[4:31:53] Trustee Yates (probable): these reports like they're so comprehensive um it would be really hard to make our decisions

[4:31:58] Trustee Yates (probable): thank you

[4:32:03] Trustee Maude (probable): so you prepared me i

[4:32:04] Trustee Yates (probable): am i'm um i moved that the gabriola island local health

[4:32:08] Trustee Yates (probable): committee approved development variance permit plcp 2026-0049 with the following variants to

[4:32:16] Trustee Yates (probable): the gabrielle island land use bylaw number 177 1999 a to reduce the front lawn lot line setback

[4:32:23] Trustee Yates (probable): from 6.0 meters to 4.5 meters and b to and reduce the interior lot line setback from 1.5 meters to

[4:32:34] Trustee Yates (probable): 0.5 meter to permit the final construction of an existing garage building

[4:32:40] Trustee Maude (probable): very good

[4:32:43] Trustee Yates (probable): All those in favor?

[4:32:45] Trustee Maude (probable): Further discussion.

[4:32:47] Trustee Maude (probable): All those in favor?

[4:32:48] Trustee Maude (probable): You're on your way.

[4:32:50] Trustee Maude (probable): Thank you so much, guys.

[4:32:52] Trustee Maude (probable): One quick one.

[4:32:55] Voice 20: Thank you very

[4:32:55] Trustee Maude (probable): much.

[4:32:58] Trustee Maude (probable): Now we'll go recover our trustee.

[4:33:07] Trustee Maude (probable): It was so much nicer up north here.

[4:33:09] Trustee Maude (probable): You have dashes.

[4:33:10] Trustee Yates (probable): Down

[4:33:11] Trustee Maude (probable): south, they don't have dashes.

[4:33:12] Trustee Yates (probable): The dashes help, don't they?

[4:33:13] Trustee Yates (probable): Just to read it out correctly.

[4:33:15] Trustee Maude (probable): It's just the cadence of the reading and the motion.

[4:33:17] Trustee Yates (probable): northern dashes are

[4:33:18] Trustee Maude (probable): winning but it's funny because it sounds that too they can't do it

[4:33:23] Voice 17: what because

[4:33:24] Trustee Maude (probable): i guess they're standard formatting and apparently

[4:33:27] Trustee Maude (probable): you know

[4:33:34] Trustee Yates (probable): we probably didn't even think about it no but the thing is we read these so thoroughly

[4:33:39] Trustee Yates (probable): before him right and if there's no questions from the neighbors

[4:33:42] Voice 14: we'll like repeat that all right so

[4:33:45] Trustee Maude (probable): So I know that we're in the 1 o'clock portion of our schedule.

[4:33:49] Trustee Maude (probable): Oh, we're still in 3 o'clock.

[4:33:54] Trustee Maude (probable): So we're in 10.1, Major Project, Gabriel Conference, OCP,

[4:33:59] Trustee Maude (probable): Climate News Review, Guadalupe Rural Update.

[4:34:01] Trustee Maude (probable): And I see Planner Chadwick has joined us from the Sunyard Climbs in Victoria.

[4:34:06] Trustee Maude (probable): So welcome, Planner Chadwick.

[4:34:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): Hello.

[4:34:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): We meet again.

[4:34:11] Planner Chadwick (probable): Everyone.

[4:34:11] Planner Chadwick (probable): um yeah i am just popping in to sort of give you an update on um where things are at with the ocp

[4:34:20] Planner Chadwick (probable): and um i i i am happy to report that um we have a very solid draft

[4:34:28] Trustee Maude (probable): draft there too it

[4:34:30] Planner Chadwick (probable): has draft on it yeah yeah so we're just working through like there's just

[4:34:34] Planner Chadwick (probable): like little bits and pieces that we're working through um um and also in particular i'm working

[4:34:40] Planner Chadwick (probable): on a what I'm calling a companion document that basically explains how this is different from what

[4:34:48] Planner Chadwick (probable): the current OCP so that I think that'll be very helpful to the public and to trustees

[4:34:58] Planner Chadwick (probable): to just understand like very clearly where the changes are and why they've been made.

[4:35:05] Trustee Yates (probable): I

[4:35:05] Planner Chadwick (probable): can't tell you how much I

[4:35:07] Trustee Yates (probable): appreciate that it's like when we in our staff reports we sometimes

[4:35:10] Trustee Yates (probable): get a table that outlines existing proposed and the differences and it's just so helpful so I

[4:35:16] Trustee Yates (probable): really appreciate that yeah

[4:35:18] Planner Chadwick (probable): so that's what you're going to get this is full of tables current OCP

[4:35:21] Planner Chadwick (probable): proposed change and rationale is what's in the table awesome

[4:35:26] Planner Chadwick (probable): yeah so everything's broken down

[4:35:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): um yeah so that's it's been i have to say it's been a very um it's been a great exercise to do

[4:35:35] Planner Chadwick (probable): that because it also enables me to find the typos and stuff in the document so we're still working

[4:35:41] Planner Chadwick (probable): through that um the one uh you know the one sort of delay was that we really wanted to make sure

[4:35:46] Planner Chadwick (probable): that we could effectively integrate the um the freshwater footprint information so we've spent

[4:35:51] Planner Chadwick (probable): some time with William Sholba, myself, and Stephen have spent some time with him moving through

[4:36:00] Planner Chadwick (probable): the maps that he's produced and how we can effectively refer to them. So that's been

[4:36:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): integrated. So I'm quite excited about that part that we've been able to do that and integrate

[4:36:15] Planner Chadwick (probable): that uh how we're going to use the data so um in terms of process um we were originally thinking

[4:36:22] Planner Chadwick (probable): that we might need a special meeting in may to um to go through the to provide you with the draft

[4:36:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): and to sort of walk through it a bit um but we're not going to need that because we have a meeting

[4:36:32] Planner Chadwick (probable): in may um and there appears not to be uh well who knows how many applicants will will applications

[4:36:41] Planner Chadwick (probable): applications will come up, but that is the most suitable time. We'll be ready. We'll have our

[4:36:46] Planner Chadwick (probable): companion document. I hope to be able to share the OCP with trustees at least, you know, a couple of

[4:36:54] Planner Chadwick (probable): weeks ahead of time. And so you'll have a bit of time to have a look through it before that time.

[4:37:01] Planner Chadwick (probable): The one thing I wanted to kind of get some input on is you had directed staff to organize a

[4:37:09] Planner Chadwick (probable): community meeting and so we need to figure out what the best timing you think would be for that.

[4:37:16] Planner Chadwick (probable): So there was a discussion at the March meeting about having a meeting close to sharing the draft

[4:37:29] Planner Chadwick (probable): during sort of non-work hours, an in-person meeting either an evening or a weekend day.

[4:37:36] Planner Chadwick (probable): I wanted to check in to with you to see what what you would like one of you know one of the

[4:37:44] Planner Chadwick (probable): options is we could just roll in from the LTC meeting right into kind of like a Q&A kind of

[4:37:51] Planner Chadwick (probable): situation with the public that's an option or we can we could organize something on a separate day

[4:38:00] Planner Chadwick (probable): so those are sort of the the two ideas that I'm kind of putting out for you and then if we do

[4:38:06] Planner Chadwick (probable): organize it on a separate day are you thinking an evening are you thinking uh like a a a a couple

[4:38:13] Planner Chadwick (probable): hours like on a on a weekend so

[4:38:17] Trustee Yates (probable): a couple things planner chadwick if it's on the same day i think

[4:38:22] Trustee Yates (probable): it's going to be really long i really i'm really interested and if it's on the same day we're going

[4:38:27] Trustee Yates (probable): to need a real a break between the ltc meeting and then the public session where we can go get

[4:38:34] Trustee Yates (probable): get something to eat, whatever. I recommend not having it on the same day. We know for sure now

[4:38:40] Trustee Yates (probable): that we'll probably get an application coming back to us for our main meeting. It's a fairly

[4:38:45] Trustee Yates (probable): complicated one. And other things may help out. I would prefer to have a separate meeting.

[4:38:54] Trustee Yates (probable): And when you do things like that, do you consider having them catered so that people have tea and

[4:39:01] Trustee Yates (probable): coffee and that kind of thing uh

[4:39:03] Planner Chadwick (probable): yeah we have we've done that in the past right yeah we do

[4:39:06] Planner Chadwick (probable): have budget yeah we have budget for engagement and so that would come out of our engagement budget

[4:39:10] Planner Chadwick (probable): yeah and we've done we we did that for uh you know the gabriella visioning session that we had

[4:39:17] Planner Chadwick (probable): for example we

[4:39:18] Trustee Yates (probable): need to do that i think that helps people come um it just makes it a more welcome

[4:39:23] Trustee Yates (probable): welcome space yeah and um i'll

[4:39:26] Voice 16: bring sourdough bread yeah excellent

[4:39:28] Planner Chadwick (probable): i mean in fact we we had

[4:39:30] Planner Chadwick (probable): cookies from gabriela island on denman island uh for one of our sessions so right

[4:39:36] Voice 16: so there you

[4:39:40] Planner Chadwick (probable): are cookies from yeah roundup came to denman could we explore

[4:39:45] Voice 16: like a week later

[4:39:46] Voice 16: perhaps tuesday the 26th or the uh thursday the 28th i'm away on the 28th you are yeah okay

[4:39:55] Planner Chadwick (probable): so you said tuesday the tuesday

[4:39:57] Voice 16: tuesday the 26th even wednesday the 27th if it was afternoon

[4:40:02] Voice 16: i can't do that no what about 4 to 6 p.m uh i like

[4:40:06] Voice 16: the 4 to 6 p.m although it's you know verging

[4:40:09] Voice 16: into but people can drop in after lunch because honestly going out at seven

[4:40:14] Trustee Yates (probable): okay it's gonna be

[4:40:16] Trustee Yates (probable): light out it's going to be if you did 6 30 to 8 people can come out as long as their kids are

[4:40:22] Trustee Yates (probable): welcome or we are in a place where we can provide child care and we provide tea and coffee and

[4:40:28] Trustee Yates (probable): cookies or whatever um do you want to over dinner no not really right

[4:40:34] Trustee Yates (probable): after dinner

[4:40:36] Trustee Yates (probable): right

[4:40:37] Planner Chadwick (probable): so you're thinking uh like an evening thing would be the preferable way to go as opposed to

[4:40:41] Planner Chadwick (probable): a weekend

[4:40:43] Planner Chadwick (probable): day?

[4:40:44] Trustee Yates (probable): A weekend

[4:40:45] Trustee Yates (probable): day would be fine, but a weekday would have to

[4:40:47] Trustee Yates (probable): be in the evening.

[4:40:48] Voice 16: I think weekends

[4:40:49] Voice 16: are getting really tough. I think the maid

[4:40:51] Voice 16: on, you know,

[4:40:53] Voice 16: there's festivals. Maid on your

[4:40:55] Voice 16: girl is the weekend before. Are you

[4:40:57] Trustee Maude (probable): suggesting the evening of BLPCV

[4:40:59] Trustee Maude (probable): or are you suggesting a separate day?

[4:41:01] Planner Chadwick (probable): So, like, for example,

[4:41:03] Planner Chadwick (probable): the 30th of May.

[4:41:06] Trustee Yates (probable): I'm away from

[4:41:07] Trustee Yates (probable): May 28th to June

[4:41:09] Trustee Yates (probable): 3rd or something like that. Okay.

[4:41:11] Trustee Yates (probable): okay got it

[4:41:12] Trustee Yates (probable): um if it's the evening of the lgc meeting that's fine because we get a break

[4:41:18] Trustee Yates (probable): if it's in a place that can have coffee and tea that's that's okay and you're here already

[4:41:24] Trustee Yates (probable): and you can stay at my place perfect yeah

[4:41:29] Planner Chadwick (probable): i mean again but

[4:41:30] Voice 16: thursday the 21st in the evening

[4:41:33] Voice 16: yeah yeah yeah

[4:41:34] Planner Chadwick (probable): okay so sorry

[4:41:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): wait you said a time what was the time you said 6 30 i'm sure

[4:41:42] Trustee Yates (probable): 6.30 to 8. So we have a good dinner break, but then 6.30

[4:41:45] Planner Chadwick (probable): to 8. Yeah.

[4:41:48] Trustee Yates (probable): Sorry, I can't ask questions, but did you say child care would be provided?

[4:41:52] Trustee Yates (probable): No, I said we might need it if we're in a space. It might be needed, but who knows?

[4:41:59] Planner Chadwick (probable): Okay, so 6.30 to 8 on the 21st. So I guess that will just depend on space availability.

[4:42:06] Planner Chadwick (probable): And we can explore that. But so both of you are thinking that'll work?

[4:42:12] Trustee Yates (probable): Yeah,

[4:42:13] Planner Chadwick (probable): if that's our LPC meeting, I'm here. And,

[4:42:15] Trustee Yates (probable): you know, it's not, child care could be a possibility. It just depends where it is and what our budget is.

[4:42:22] Voice 17: Okay.

[4:42:23] Voice 17: Right?

[4:42:25] Voice 17: Yeah,

[4:42:26] Planner Chadwick (probable): so the nature of that that I'm thinking is it's really about introducing the OCP, identifying what the OCP is.

[4:42:33] Planner Chadwick (probable): is. And I mean, basically going through the companion document that identifies some of the

[4:42:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): key differences and changes and then inviting questions.

[4:42:46] Trustee Maude (probable): Trustee Gates, when we were babbling about news business, you

[4:42:50] Trustee Maude (probable): had just said fresh water.

[4:42:53] Trustee Yates (probable): No, what did I want? No, I had a motion. I have a... Oh,

[4:42:58] Trustee Yates (probable): Oh, I see what you're saying, yes, the addictive damage, no, it's a, no, yeah, that motion is, I think it's particularly in the province, it's separate from the, probably separate.

[4:43:14] Voice 9: I just wanted to, well actually Lisa pointed out, we should ask about a venue and the size

[4:43:23] Voice 9: for this evening of the 21st and we're going to be probably limited to what's available

[4:43:31] Voice 9: but if there's a preference for a particular location or at least the size of one that

[4:43:40] Voice 15: Is

[4:43:41] Voice 16: the agricultural hall slightly larger?

[4:43:43] Voice 16: Probably.

[4:43:44] Voice 16: I was there last night.

[4:43:45] Voice 16: It is bigger than the swimming.

[4:43:47] Voice 16: But not, yeah.

[4:43:49] Voice 10: The

[4:43:49] Voice 16: sound isn't as good.

[4:43:50] Voice 16: No.

[4:43:51] Voice 10: The sound is challenging at the Aggie Hall.

[4:43:53] Voice 10: Definitely.

[4:43:54] Voice 10: But it is larger.

[4:43:55] Voice 10: Quite awesome.

[4:43:56] Voice 16: Have you ever explored the lodge?

[4:43:58] Voice 14: The Dragon's Lodge?

[4:44:00] Voice 14: It's very expensive.

[4:44:01] Voice 16: It's very expensive.

[4:44:03] Voice 16: It's only available.

[4:44:03] Voice 14: Yeah.

[4:44:03] Voice 14: The

[4:44:04] Voice 16: Kameezi Hall is no good.

[4:44:05] Voice 16: It's too low.

[4:44:05] Voice 16: What about, um...

[4:44:06] Voice 16: I don't know.

[4:44:09] Voice 16: I think here are the end he would probably work havens available okay

[4:44:16] Trustee Maude (probable): that's

[4:44:17] Voice 16: great that's a good

[4:44:19] Voice 16: plan yeah

[4:44:20] Trustee Maude (probable): actually

[4:44:23] Voice 16: alternative yeah alternatively if Wednesday the 20th did you say no no I'm away

[4:44:33] Voice 16: way after the 28th no on wednesday the 20th yeah we could do it the night before no no not before

[4:44:40] Planner Chadwick (probable): the outstripping i don't know yeah

[4:44:41] Voice 16: yeah i think it's probably better

[4:44:43] Planner Chadwick (probable): that ltc has a chance to have

[4:44:44] Planner Chadwick (probable): a look uh and ask their questions first okay okay

[4:44:50] Trustee Maude (probable): we have a plan

[4:44:51] Voice 29: my what

[4:44:53] Trustee Yates (probable): would we say

[4:44:57] Trustee Yates (probable): so planner chadwick i did bring something for new business but it was simply to ask a

[4:45:03] Trustee Yates (probable): question of you and our ltc as to whether this should be included in the ocp review because i

[4:45:11] Trustee Yates (probable): just got hold of this a few days ago from our chamber of commerce because i was asking about

[4:45:17] Trustee Yates (probable): wasn't there an enterprise zone report like an industrial commercial zone and there was in 2021

[4:45:25] Trustee Yates (probable): um it was the gabriola enterprise project feasibility study and gap analysis final report

[4:45:32] Trustee Yates (probable): report. And I'm just wondering, have you heard of this before?

[4:45:37] Planner Chadwick (probable): I haven't. And I mean, I think it

[4:45:39] Planner Chadwick (probable): would be very useful for us to have a look. At this point, we haven't made any, like we haven't

[4:45:44] Planner Chadwick (probable): created any additional commercial zones or anything. So there has had been some discussion

[4:45:49] Planner Chadwick (probable): about that. So if it would be useful to have a look at that and see what's proposed.

[4:45:56] Trustee Yates (probable): Okay, I'll

[4:45:57] Trustee Yates (probable): see if, well, I know they could email you a copy. I have a print copy, you know, me.

[4:46:01] Trustee Yates (probable): and I've already gone over it and thinking this came about because we were talking about an

[4:46:06] Trustee Yates (probable): industrial green composting zone for Gabriola so we don't have to send our green waste over

[4:46:12] Trustee Yates (probable): in big trucks on the ferry and similar to how Salt Spring has it at Burgoyne Bay

[4:46:17] Trustee Yates (probable): so then we thought well where where do we do this we thought a couple places and then at the same

[4:46:24] Trustee Yates (probable): meeting our chamber of commerce ed said well do you do remember this enterprise project and I

[4:46:31] Trustee Yates (probable): thought oh yeah i forgot about that so i will in make sure you and trustee elliot and probably

[4:46:38] Trustee Yates (probable): trustee patrick to me get a get a copy but

[4:46:42] Trustee Maude (probable): if i am in the office tomorrow if you want to sit down

[4:46:45] Trustee Maude (probable): for a copy i

[4:46:47] Trustee Yates (probable): don't have a hard copy display oh it's like oh yeah i'm not part of this okay

[4:46:58] Planner Chadwick (probable): Okay, that's great. Send it along. You know, we are, we are basically, we're, we're, we're in a

[4:47:04] Planner Chadwick (probable): review, we'll be entering a review process. So that's the opportunity to entertain any

[4:47:08] Planner Chadwick (probable): other information that, that can, you know, influence any kind of change there. And like I

[4:47:16] Planner Chadwick (probable): I said um when uh when we've got it together I'll um um I'll send you a note we can have copies um

[4:47:24] Planner Chadwick (probable): printed for you at the uh the Gabriel office yes printed thank you

[4:47:30] Trustee Maude (probable): okay is that good for you um

[4:47:33] Voice 16: one more one more

[4:47:35] Trustee Maude (probable): as

[4:47:37] Voice 16: I went about this sorry could you have a special link for just the draft OCP

[4:47:45] Voice 16: so people can easily find it and it's not an agenda box on the website yeah good

[4:47:50] Planner Chadwick (probable): idea um yeah

[4:47:51] Planner Chadwick (probable): i could talk to we'll talk to morgana about that yeah just

[4:47:55] Trustee Yates (probable): like we did for the freshwater footprints

[4:47:57] Trustee Yates (probable): so much better than trying to find it in an agenda package yeah that would be great because i know

[4:48:03] Trustee Yates (probable): people want to read it take it home oh one more question too so our proposed communication and

[4:48:10] Trustee Yates (probable): engagement plan that we got last time yep still about the same

[4:48:14] Planner Chadwick (probable): yeah it's about the same yep no

[4:48:17] Planner Chadwick (probable): major changes yeah we're still heading in the same similar direction yeah and um um yeah maybe

[4:48:26] Planner Chadwick (probable): by may we'll have some actually specific dates around or some proposed dates that we can talk

[4:48:31] Planner Chadwick (probable): about around uh um some of the engagement uh timing stuff

[4:48:36] Voice 22: like that okay

[4:48:37] Planner Chadwick (probable): yeah great all right

[4:48:40] Trustee Maude (probable): well thank you planet traveling all right thank you

[4:48:44] Planner Chadwick (probable): okay thanks all

[4:48:47] Trustee Maude (probable): righty um so moving on to a

[4:48:49] Trustee Maude (probable): 10.2 minor project much island target land use bio amendment project and a verbal update and i see

[4:48:56] Trustee Maude (probable): the regional plan of government has come online.

[4:48:59] Trustee Maude (probable): So I assume it's over to her.

[4:49:01] Voice 3: Thank you, Chair.

[4:49:03] Voice 3: So this is to share an update on the minor project

[4:49:06] Voice 3: Mudge Island Targeted Land Use By-law Amendment Project.

[4:49:10] Voice 3: So this follows the last update shared with the LTC to now.

[4:49:14] Voice 3: A couple of factors have developed regarding the LTC's

[4:49:18] Voice 3: OCP project, the Thunder Way,

[4:49:20] Voice 3: and timing factors leading up to the local elections.

[4:49:24] Voice 3: At the September 2025 discussion that the LTC had on timing and LTC projects, staff had recommended that the minor project be initiated after the official community plan bylaw receives first reading.

[4:49:41] Voice 3: And that was expected to be around February 2026 with anticipated readings later in June.

[4:49:48] Voice 3: With that timeline in mind, currently there's been some changes to that project, which includes some staff time and focus on staff time.

[4:50:00] Voice 3: So because that's an important project that's underway with the LTC, there is some staff resources that's being focused on that project.

[4:50:08] Voice 3: And that would result in a later initiation time for the minor project.

[4:50:14] Voice 3: And what I wanted to flag for the LTC is that the project would be completed before the end of the term for the current LTC to see through.

[4:50:25] Voice 3: In terms of initiating new projects around this time, that's a factor that I wanted to flag for the Local Trust Committee to consider.

[4:50:35] Voice 3: consider. I'm in support of staff resources to complete the current projects that are underway

[4:50:41] Voice 3: and knowing that the local trust committee has a major project that is that you just received an

[4:50:46] Voice 3: update on that's important to see through. So one of the questions to put to you is if the LTC

[4:50:57] Voice 3: wanted to initiate this minor project with these factors in mind that it the project couldn't be

[4:51:05] Voice 3: completed to a point to September or if you wish to defer the project to add to the future

[4:51:13] Voice 3: project list or perhaps leave as a current project to be picked up by the LTC in the

[4:51:20] Voice 3: next term. And putting out any other questions to the LTC for this time. So looking for any

[4:51:31] Voice 3: any direction in that regard and any questions you may have thank you

[4:51:38] Voice 15: well

[4:51:39] Voice 16: it's not a great situation i'm not in favor of deferral no um can't complete before september

[4:51:52] Voice 16: i mean i'm aware staff resources are stretched we've just seen four applications today and

[4:51:59] Voice 16: amount of work that she goes on about on the scenes i think we don't really fully appreciate

[4:52:06] Voice 16: until it hits this table so i'm not questioning the order it's more what will help this move

[4:52:15] Voice 16: forward and not the much island you know community has been waiting a long time and they've actually

[4:52:25] Voice 16: put a lot of work into well pre-work um so i don't want to disappoint anyone they've been waiting for

[4:52:37] Voice 16: this and deserve to see it started um

[4:52:40] Trustee Yates (probable): so well i my preference would just be to keep it where it is

[4:52:46] Trustee Yates (probable): and if it gets delayed it gets delayed um

[4:52:51] Voice 15: i

[4:52:52] Trustee Yates (probable): was hoping of course that we would be able to get

[4:52:56] Voice 16: And are we waiting until first reading because of staff resources by Planner General?

[4:53:02] Voice 16: Through

[4:53:03] Voice 3: the chair, that's correct.

[4:53:05] Voice 3: And that consideration remains the same in terms of when resourcing can happen to start up that project.

[4:53:16] Trustee Maude (probable): So you just wish to keep this as an active project and just it proceeds as it naturally can.

[4:53:21] Trustee Maude (probable): Yeah.

[4:53:23] Voice 16: I mean, I've seen other LTCs with overlapping projects that just continued. We picked up the housing project on Maine in the term that I came in. So hopefully a new term of trustees wouldn't, but there is a risk that they will go in a different direction.

[4:53:45] Voice 16: I don't know if

[4:53:47] Voice 16: that has anything to do with it.

[4:53:51] Trustee Maude (probable): So is that a

[4:53:52] Trustee Maude (probable): different direction?

[4:53:54] Trustee Maude (probable): is that clear enough direction just keep it proceeding under whatever natural process it is

[4:54:02] Trustee Maude (probable): so don't want to defer don't want to delay just want to keep it moving keep

[4:54:07] Trustee Yates (probable): it on the books as it

[4:54:08] Trustee Yates (probable): is um and and it's if we do that then the next chance committee sees how long it's been there

[4:54:14] Trustee Yates (probable): and knows that it's important have a whole binder for much

[4:54:21] Voice 3: through the chair

[4:54:22] Voice 3: yeah go ahead

[4:54:24] Voice 21: through

[4:54:24] Voice 3: the chair

[4:54:25] Voice 3: so that's confirming that it will stay

[4:54:29] Voice 3: in the it's currently sitting

[4:54:31] Voice 3: at the future project list

[4:54:32] Voice 3: on the future project list

[4:54:35] Voice 3: and it's understood through the

[4:54:37] Voice 3: LTC's direction through previous direction

[4:54:39] Voice 3: that this is the next project that we get

[4:54:41] Voice 3: started up so that that understanding

[4:54:43] Voice 3: would stay the same

[4:54:44] Voice 3: thank

[4:54:45] Trustee Maude (probable): you very much

[4:54:46] Trustee Maude (probable): anything else

[4:54:48] Trustee Maude (probable): All right. We will move on to correspondence. Page 349, emailed dated February 20th, 2026

[4:54:57] Trustee Maude (probable): from Jay Graham, regarding trustee reports. If you'll proceed to it.

[4:55:02] Voice 16: I'll raise some more information. I mean, Trustee Yates and I produce volumes of writing

[4:55:09] Voice 16: that we report out in the meeting. I have my own place where I publish the thoughts

[4:55:16] Voice 16: on my own i don't know if it you know monthly reports from two trustees and ea director could be

[4:55:26] Voice 16: sustained by the sounder it's just that's you need a lot more advertising revenue

[4:55:32] Voice 16: to uh allow for that space you'd like to pay for it i know i i think with with all due respect uh

[4:55:41] Voice 16: This is the place that we report out.

[4:55:45] Voice 16: I

[4:55:45] Trustee Yates (probable): wish we could do more, but...

[4:55:48] Trustee Yates (probable): Well, my comment is that I don't have time to do more.

[4:55:50] Trustee Yates (probable): I used to have time to do more when I was not a trustee.

[4:55:53] Trustee Yates (probable): I did write long reports on council and on local trust committee meetings,

[4:55:57] Trustee Yates (probable): and the sound are beautifully polished, though.

[4:56:00] Trustee Yates (probable): Good for them.

[4:56:01] Trustee Yates (probable): And now we have you.

[4:56:02] Trustee Yates (probable): Thank goodness.

[4:56:04] Trustee Yates (probable): I am so grateful for that.

[4:56:06] Trustee Yates (probable): Thank you.

[4:56:06] Trustee Yates (probable): we'll

[4:56:07] Voice 16: receive

[4:56:09] Voice 16: more information acknowledging

[4:56:11] Voice 16: we could do more

[4:56:13] Voice 16: but we don't have time, space

[4:56:15] Voice 16: and newsprint allow. Future project.

[4:56:17] Trustee Maude (probable): Okay, so 11.2

[4:56:19] Trustee Maude (probable): email dated March 3rd

[4:56:21] Trustee Maude (probable): 2026 from D. Wodger

[4:56:23] Trustee Maude (probable): regarding deer overfunds and ecological

[4:56:25] Trustee Maude (probable): integrity and global violence

[4:56:27] Trustee Maude (probable): page 350.

[4:56:30] Trustee Yates (probable): Good timing on this

[4:56:31] Trustee Yates (probable): because we had just been to a webinar

[4:56:33] Trustee Yates (probable): with Dr. Tara Martin talking about

[4:56:35] Trustee Yates (probable): about this and we've had that other one

[4:56:37] Trustee Yates (probable): with the fellow deer, of course,

[4:56:39] Trustee Yates (probable): which also includes coastal black tail.

[4:56:41] Trustee Yates (probable): Yeah, this

[4:56:42] Voice 16: was raised at Trust Council

[4:56:43] Voice 16: and we hopefully will see a partnership

[4:56:47] Voice 16: with Dr. Jara Martin's lab.

[4:56:51] Voice 16: We heard that she is actively having meetings

[4:56:55] Voice 16: on different Gulf Islands

[4:56:57] Voice 16: to advance their Indigenous-led management strategy.

[4:57:01] Voice 16: strategy, but it's a research hub on projects right now, so need more information.

[4:57:11] Trustee Maude (probable): So 11.3 email dated March 23, 2026 from the Agricultural Land Commission regarding staffing

[4:57:17] Trustee Maude (probable): and budget pressures, room 355.

[4:57:20] Trustee Maude (probable): We

[4:57:20] Trustee Yates (probable): extend our sympathies and we're very sorry because the Agricultural Land Visor, we need

[4:57:27] Trustee Yates (probable): more than ever we need the alr we need their staff we need them planned we need their advice

[4:57:33] Trustee Yates (probable): we need their protection oh my goodness okay

[4:57:37] Trustee Maude (probable): so we uh do business um so we have trustee yates

[4:57:43] Trustee Maude (probable): lebanon are going

[4:57:45] Voice 16: to die can i ask mine to go first go ahead go ahead yeah

[4:57:49] Voice 16: Yeah. Apologies for reordering.

[4:57:57] Voice 16: Well, this is raised as a result of the, you know, the DP and non-discretionary application processes that do not trigger a referral.

[4:58:10] Voice 16: borough so the question is whether we can raise this to ask staff to request a meeting so this is

[4:58:22] Voice 16: i have a motion prepared about clarifying the our government to government processes and

[4:58:31] Voice 16: information sharing with not just the name of first nation but all first nations in this

[4:58:40] Voice 16: just northern area um you know as we receive information consider non-discretionary development

[4:58:50] Voice 16: permits it's i'm worried that things get lost in the shuffle and if there's if there isn't

[4:59:02] Voice 16: sufficient clarity about what constitutes respectful and timely um awareness for the

[4:59:09] Voice 16: the nation about something that's happening then that could really erode the trust that we're

[4:59:15] Voice 16: building that relationship building so it was we've been in this position before like hey there's

[4:59:22] Voice 16: something logical there's heritage and it's not related to the application that we're considering

[4:59:28] Voice 16: but how do we let how do we facilitate information sharing so that we're all in a good place and

[4:59:34] Voice 16: where nobody is surprised, that's the intent of this motion.

[4:59:37] Voice 16: So, you want to raise it, just make the motion,

[4:59:40] Voice 16: and I can stop talking.

[4:59:42] Voice 16: Yeah.

[4:59:43] Voice 16: Okay.

[4:59:44] Voice 16: I move that the Gabriel-Lohanis Local Trust Committee

[4:59:47] Voice 16: request staff to request a meeting

[4:59:50] Voice 16: with the name of First Nation staff

[4:59:53] Voice 16: to clarify interim processes and information sharing

[4:59:57] Voice 16: on non-discretionary development.

[5:00:00] Voice 16: permits, or, and I'm quoting from our protocol agreement between Amistrust and SNNAML, other

[5:00:07] Voice 16: mechanisms to protect registered or potential First Nation archaeological and heritage sites

[5:00:14] Voice 16: development application processes, that's section 14H, in instances where our processes

[5:00:20] Voice 16: do not trigger a referral or there isn't sufficient clarity about what constitutes respectful

[5:00:26] Voice 16: full and timely um processes for the election it's very wordy you make sense but does

[5:00:35] Voice 16: rpm general i think you you and i've had conversations about this a little bit

[5:00:42] Voice 16: um for me this is a priority and this is why i keep raising it because there's so much confusion

[5:00:51] Voice 16: for the public, and I get confused too, why isn't this referred to the nation? What's

[5:00:57] Voice 16: happening? And I think we just want to provide more clear processes so everything from landowners,

[5:01:09] Voice 16: newcomers to the island, are supported and in good engagement, and what's appropriate

[5:01:21] Voice 16: engagement. And from the First Nations side, it's like, what's too much? Do they want to hear

[5:01:26] Voice 16: everything? Maybe not. But I just want to clarify that we're not missing steps.

[5:01:33] Voice 16: PM Gemara, do you have any advice?

[5:01:39] Voice 3: Thank you through the chair. I think the motion is on the

[5:01:43] Voice 3: the floor for the ltc to discuss um what i may add is that um this is uh this the work that

[5:01:55] Voice 3: is underway with regards to talking about processes and in terms of how to address and

[5:02:03] Voice 3: respond to nation's concerns that will take some time and it is taking some time to work through

[5:02:09] Voice 3: And that piece is evolving.

[5:02:12] Voice 3: And I think the Island Trust as an organization is working on that.

[5:02:18] Voice 3: It's important to the organization to do that.

[5:02:20] Voice 3: And here it's important to the LTC.

[5:02:23] Voice 3: So my comment is that some of that work is happening.

[5:02:28] Voice 3: More work needs to happen.

[5:02:29] Voice 3: And those changes will take time.

[5:02:32] Voice 3: And those conversations will also take time as well.

[5:02:36] Voice 3: So the motion before the LTC, what I would maybe suggest for some consideration is keeping that open so that staff to staff can have those conversations in a more open way and what comes through that can really be discussed through those conversations in terms of what works.

[5:03:02] Voice 3: So

[5:03:04] Voice 16: what could you suggest, because it's not been seconded in the RPM general, is it

[5:03:13] Voice 16: clarifying, like what do you mean by leave it more open?

[5:03:19] Voice 3: Through the chair, would the minute taker be able to share the draft motion?

[5:03:26] Voice 5: Oh, I can send it to you.

[5:03:34] Voice 3: I think through the chair, I think that the how,

[5:03:37] Voice 3: How? The detail of the how is what I'm suggesting to leave open for those discussions to unfold and evolve further, as it sits more with, you know, administration processes and conversations with nations.

[5:03:55] Voice 16: So the how meaning requesting a meeting?

[5:03:58] Voice 16: No,

[5:04:00] Voice 3: pardon me. The meeting is clear. How in terms of non-discretionary development permits, the wording in that regard, interim processes, I think we can, I would suggest speaking to a conversation about processes and other mechanisms referred to in the protocol agreement.

[5:04:24] Voice 3: Okay.

[5:04:26] Voice 16: So we could just say a request for meeting about processes and information sharing on development application processes.

[5:04:45] Voice 3: And to suggest it could also, the motion can also include or other mechanisms, etc.

[5:04:52] Voice 3: cetera. Okay.

[5:04:55] Voice 16: Okay. Development application processes or other mechanisms, because that's

[5:05:06] Voice 16: kind of what's alluded to the protocol agreement. I don't know what that is. It might be there for

[5:05:11] Voice 16: a reason.

[5:05:14] Voice 3: And if I may add, Chair? Yep.

[5:05:18] Voice 3: As well, there is a, I wanted to also note, there is

[5:05:23] Voice 3: trust council direction to also report back to the trust council on initiatives and work underway

[5:05:34] Voice 3: through a first nation referral framework so that also includes information about processes

[5:05:41] Voice 3: what our processes currently are what's being done what needs to be done what comments and feedback

[5:05:47] Voice 3: back have been have been heard to to identify and work towards yes

[5:05:55] Voice 16: thank you for that that's a very

[5:05:58] Voice 16: important project okay

[5:06:00] Trustee Maude (probable): so the motive is on the screen does that read okay everybody

[5:06:06] Trustee Maude (probable): nobody's got a screen i'll ask the reporting secretary to read out the motion sorry that we

[5:06:13] Trustee Maude (probable): have tracked them together the

[5:06:15] Voice 10: gabriel island local trust committee request staffed to request

[5:06:20] Voice 10: a meeting with first nation staff about processes and information sharing on development application

[5:06:26] Voice 10: processes or other mechanisms um

[5:06:32] Voice 17: well

[5:06:35] Voice 16: i think it's missing the intent

[5:06:37] Voice 16: it's that would have

[5:06:40] Voice 16: implicate or affect registered or potential First Nations heritage sites?

[5:06:48] Voice 3: Through the chair, my suggestion was to also include that part as well to capture that.

[5:06:56] Voice 3: Okay.

[5:06:56] Voice 3: So the discussion with the LTC, please. Sorry to interrupt. Please continue.

[5:07:00] Voice 3: No, no, no,

[5:07:01] Trustee Maude (probable): it's sweet. We're all working together.

[5:07:04] Voice 16: I'm looking for your feedback on what would keep it open enough. I don't want to

[5:07:08] Voice 16: to close it, but the focus, in my view, is other mechanisms to protect registered and

[5:07:14] Voice 16: potential First Nations.

[5:07:15] Voice 16: Could you just include the word from the protocol agreement after

[5:07:20] Voice 22: mechanisms, after

[5:07:30] Voice 14: other mechanisms

[5:07:32] Voice 14: to protect?

[5:07:39] Voice 22: I

[5:07:40] Voice 15: think in development applications.

[5:07:42] Voice 15: Yeah, the protocol agreement would be great.

[5:07:48] Voice 22: Thank you.

[5:07:50] Voice 22: It takes a village.

[5:07:54] Voice 22: i will unfortunately

[5:08:04] Trustee Maude (probable): read that out again she's

[5:08:06] Voice 10: getting there okay uh the gabriel island local

[5:08:09] Voice 10: trust committee requests staff to request a meeting with snimic first nation staff

[5:08:14] Voice 10: about processes and information sharing on development application processes or other

[5:08:20] Voice 10: mechanisms to protect registered or potential first nation archaeological and heritage sites

[5:08:25] Voice 10: in development application processes,

[5:08:28] Voice 10: bracket Islands Trusted Protocol Agreement S.14 page.

[5:08:39] Trustee Maude (probable): That's some good here, Trustee.

[5:08:41] Trustee Maude (probable): If we can remove one process, that would be great.

[5:08:43] Voice 17: Yeah.

[5:09:05] Voice 9: So it's an intent to say it's not me.

[5:09:07] Voice 9: But for Island Trust staff to meet with Sinead of First Nations about mechanisms to protect registered or potential First Nation archaeological and heritage sites in development application processes.

[5:09:19] Voice 16: That's it.

[5:09:20] Voice 9: That's it.

[5:09:22] Voice 16: Yeah.

[5:09:23] Voice 9: Is that what you are intending?

[5:09:27] Voice 12: Mechanisms. That's great. That could be process, that could be information sharing, that could be...

[5:09:36] Trustee Maude (probable): So you're moving that, Trustee Elliott?

[5:09:39] Trustee Maude (probable): Yeah,

[5:09:41] Voice 16: that's great, in my view. So I move that the Gay World Animal Protection Committee

[5:09:46] Voice 16: request staff to request a meeting with some First Nations staff about mechanisms to protect

[5:09:53] Voice 16: registered or potential First Nations archaeological and heritage sites in development

[5:09:57] Voice 16: application processes as per Adam's Trust and Animal Protection Agreement, Section 14H.

[5:10:03] Voice 16: Okay, I'll second that.

[5:10:07] Trustee Maude (probable): that carries thank

[5:10:09] Trustee Yates (probable): you everybody my computer's still here desperate verification trustee elliot

[5:10:13] Trustee Yates (probable): that's because um we automatically refer things like rezoning applications right but these other

[5:10:19] Trustee Yates (probable): things that we've just seen today for example don't necessarily get referred well

[5:10:24] Voice 16: i think we

[5:10:24] Voice 16: have some processes that trigger trigger referrals and some do not but there is considerations that

[5:10:33] Voice 16: are beyond the scope of the referral or the development application that's where we need

[5:10:39] Voice 16: to have a conversation about is it information sharing is it a schedule of projects we don't know

[5:10:46] Voice 16: but you know so when it's outside the referral process i guess i could have worked with it

[5:10:52] Voice 16: better i tried but you

[5:10:53] Trustee Yates (probable): know okay

[5:10:55] Trustee Maude (probable): trustee you had i

[5:10:57] Trustee Yates (probable): had a couple of things for um one is a motion

[5:11:00] Trustee Yates (probable): but i'll ask the other question first so um the map it um what do we call that um a tool i guess

[5:11:09] Trustee Yates (probable): um is there a way for us to have um a staff well maybe the staff doesn't need it a trustee and

[5:11:19] Trustee Yates (probable): public teaching user guide yeah well no there is a user guide and i have it and i've used it

[5:11:25] Trustee Yates (probable): But I still would love to have just a general demonstration of how it works, because the

[5:11:32] Trustee Yates (probable): user guide is great, but I would, and I know that maybe the public would too, but I also

[5:11:37] Trustee Yates (probable): know we don't have the budget for our stewardship webinars, but maybe we have the budget for

[5:11:44] Trustee Yates (probable): some other sort of educational...

[5:11:46] Trustee Yates (probable): Well,

[5:11:46] Trustee Maude (probable): is that something to be done at Trust Council?

[5:11:48] Trustee Yates (probable): Well, I'm thinking more...

[5:11:50] Trustee Maude (probable): Because our Trust Council is moving forward, we're all virtual.

[5:11:54] Trustee Maude (probable): Right.

[5:11:56] Trustee Yates (probable): Yeah, it should be separate from just council. It's like, it's just like a teaching thing, like a little teaching webinar on math and IT. I don't know, maybe no one else needs it. I feel it would be useful.

[5:12:08] Trustee Yates (probable): We could request an executive

[5:12:10] Voice 16: committee if GIS could organize a webinar and you're thinking just for trustees and staff or the public.

[5:12:20] Voice 16: I thought the public would be interested too.

[5:12:22] Voice 16: yeah

[5:12:23] Trustee Maude (probable): because i think that's that's why i suggest trust council because it's already already embedded

[5:12:28] Voice 16: yeah i think

[5:12:29] Voice 16: we have some presentations scheduled for just now i would say bring it let's bring it

[5:12:34] Voice 16: up an executive committee maybe because the real estate webinar will be open to trustees but

[5:12:41] Voice 16: perhaps they could build on that and say here's the public webinar for for the mapping that would

[5:12:47] Voice 16: be so good yeah because that was actually the focus that was the reason they're having this

[5:12:51] Voice 16: Yeah, ReelWriters Webinar, and this goes back to another thing with Renita.

[5:12:57] Voice 16: So let's, we can bring that up.

[5:12:59] Trustee Yates (probable): Okay.

[5:13:00] Voice 16: Yeah.

[5:13:00] Voice 16: You're okay

[5:13:01] Trustee Yates (probable): to do that?

[5:13:01] Trustee Yates (probable): Thank you very much.

[5:13:02] Trustee Yates (probable): Really appreciate that.

[5:13:04] Trustee Yates (probable): Just for curiosity, the Real Estate Foundation grant funding, what does that go towards?

[5:13:12] Voice 16: Sorry.

[5:13:13] Voice 16: Could that help?

[5:13:14] Voice 16: Pay for it?

[5:13:15] Voice 16: So the Archaeological Overview Assessment is the focus of that grant funding.

[5:13:21] Voice 16: Okay.

[5:13:22] Voice 16: but they do fund a lot of different projects so but 80% of what they fund now is indigenous-led

[5:13:31] Voice 16: for supporting sort of land-based learning from

[5:13:36] Trustee Yates (probable): my understanding okay so maybe there's some free

[5:13:40] Trustee Yates (probable): money there to help us do this okay thank you and thank you both for bringing it up at

[5:13:45] Trustee Yates (probable): at FECI I think it's a great idea to have it sort of take along with the other one and make it open

[5:13:50] Trustee Yates (probable): to the public um so then i had one more thing for new business and that is simply a motion that

[5:13:57] Trustee Yates (probable): um you both have copies of and i think um thanks a lot has a copy of so this is pursuant to our

[5:14:06] Trustee Yates (probable): special meeting uh on march 23rd on the freshwater footprint study um and in that special meeting

[5:14:14] Trustee Yates (probable): there was a question and answer section and one of the question and answers was about the

[5:14:21] Trustee Yates (probable): water sustainability act and it was clearly outlined to us that the water sustainability act

[5:14:28] Trustee Yates (probable): users are required to have a license for non-domestic purposes and terms and conditions

[5:14:36] Trustee Yates (probable): of the license are determined how much use is permitted i kind of knew that but i was really

[5:14:43] Trustee Yates (probable): glad to see this in writing in from that meeting and so um i have been corresponding with fresh

[5:14:53] Trustee Yates (probable): water specialist shoba about this one particular place on gabriela that has commercial water

[5:14:57] Trustee Yates (probable): extraction that we have no idea if there is a water license and it's a big operation and so

[5:15:04] Trustee Yates (probable): here's my motion i move that the gabriela island local trust committee request staff to seek

[5:15:11] Trustee Yates (probable): information from the province regarding the groundwater license status associated with

[5:15:19] Trustee Yates (probable): groundwater extraction at 3153 Wally Road, and I'm sorry, I don't have the property

[5:15:27] Trustee Yates (probable): identification number, PID number, but it should be in there in motion, operated by

[5:15:34] Trustee Yates (probable): Summer Rain Water Delivery, owner Dan Foley, and report back to this committee.

[5:15:47] Voice 16: As long as the motion is all in.

[5:15:52] Voice 16: And that's obviously directed at Commissioner Weld.

[5:15:56] Trustee Yates (probable): Well, he suggested we make this motion.

[5:16:02] Trustee Yates (probable): Whoever can do it.

[5:16:04] Trustee Yates (probable): I'll second, for sure.

[5:16:05] Trustee Maude (probable): Okay, is there a discussion?

[5:16:08] Trustee Yates (probable): Thank you for bringing this up.

[5:16:09] Trustee Yates (probable): Okay, well, a tiny little bit of discussion is that I feel that the water balance information

[5:16:14] Trustee Yates (probable): information that is part of that freshwater footprint study.

[5:16:17] Trustee Yates (probable): There's a whole discussion on the water balance, right?

[5:16:20] Trustee Yates (probable): What goes in and what goes out?

[5:16:21] Trustee Yates (probable): Well, how can we say that it's accurate if we're missing this big piece?

[5:16:27] Trustee Yates (probable): So, and then, you know, and that's part of our OCP review.

[5:16:30] Trustee Yates (probable): So we really need to know this.

[5:16:34] Trustee Yates (probable): Okay, sorry.

[5:16:35] Trustee Yates (probable): We're going to call a motion now.

[5:16:36] Trustee Yates (probable): Call a motion.

[5:16:37] Trustee Yates (probable): Okay.

[5:16:39] Trustee Maude (probable): Carried.

[5:16:39] Trustee Maude (probable): Thank you.

[5:16:40] Trustee Maude (probable): And just for future reference, you can easily go to BC assessment.

[5:16:43] Trustee Maude (probable): Again, the PID...

[5:16:45] Trustee Maude (probable): I think

[5:16:45] Trustee Maude (probable): the PID, like, usefully addresses it, and it becomes all the information comes

[5:16:49] Trustee Maude (probable): out.

[5:16:49] Trustee Maude (probable): Or a map.

[5:16:50] Trustee Maude (probable): Or a map.

[5:16:51] Trustee Maude (probable): Right?

[5:16:52] Trustee Maude (probable): Which

[5:16:52] Trustee Yates (probable): we really expected that to happen.

[5:16:55] Trustee Maude (probable): We, in a very timely manner.

[5:16:57] Trustee Maude (probable): That's it.

[5:16:58] Trustee Maude (probable): Thank you.

[5:16:59] Trustee Yates (probable): Thank you.

[5:17:00] Trustee Yates (probable): Thank you for...

[5:17:01] Trustee Maude (probable): So that's it for the business?

[5:17:02] Trustee Maude (probable): It is.

[5:17:03] Trustee Maude (probable): Okay, so moving forward, page 356, 2825, the 26th annual report, approval of gaming on

[5:17:09] Trustee Maude (probable): on the local trust committee section request for decision so does that verbiage all work for you

[5:17:16] Trustee Maude (probable): kids oh

[5:17:20] Trustee Yates (probable): yeah right for the annual report of course i'm ready yeah

[5:17:24] Voice 15: um yeah

[5:17:37] Voice 16: i thought just the word

[5:17:40] Voice 16: so in the first bullet it says engage with the community instead of impersonation it should be

[5:17:45] Voice 16: of these in the impersonation there's always a in my understanding but maybe i'm wrong but i

[5:17:51] Voice 16: think about key land use topics such as connectivity environmental protection

[5:17:56] Voice 16: we should have cultural heritage climate change housing and economy from a conversationalist

[5:18:03] Voice 16: and an impersonation of the courses yeah um protection of cultural

[5:18:07] Trustee Yates (probable): heritage is high on

[5:18:09] Trustee Yates (probable): the list so put that between environmental protection and climate change yeah okay thank

[5:18:14] Trustee Yates (probable): Thank you, Housing and Economy.

[5:18:18] Voice 5: Oh, yes.

[5:18:19] Voice 16: Engagement with the community and the Santa Monica First

[5:18:23] Voice 16: Nation about key land use topics such as connectivity,

[5:18:26] Voice 16: environmental protection, cultural heritage,

[5:18:31] Voice 16: climate change, housing, and economy.

[5:18:37] Voice 16: It's just cultural heritage between environmental

[5:18:42] Voice 16: protection and climate change.

[5:18:44] Voice 16: And

[5:18:44] Trustee Yates (probable): actually, we completed the freshwater footprint

[5:18:46] Trustee Yates (probable): case study report, right?

[5:18:48] Trustee Yates (probable): It says move towards, but it's done.

[5:18:51] Trustee Maude (probable): When did you finish it?

[5:18:54] Trustee Yates (probable): It

[5:18:54] Voice 16: was presented in February.

[5:18:57] Voice 9: Just on that sentence, it's moved towards freshwater sustainability.

[5:19:02] Trustee Yates (probable): Oh, through the completion, right,

[5:19:03] Trustee Yates (probable): with the help of, I get it.

[5:19:06] Trustee Yates (probable): Thank you.

[5:19:06] Trustee Maude (probable): So, Lisa, are we doing a motion, or are we just adopting the general consent?

[5:19:12] Voice 10: There's a motion, and we'll do it as amended.

[5:19:14] Voice 10: it um thank you i

[5:19:17] Voice 15: can show it to the other

[5:19:24] Trustee Maude (probable): side of that page i turned the page over um

[5:19:34] Voice 16: i hope that

[5:19:36] Voice 16: the gabriel local trust committee approves the attached text for inclusion in the 2025-26 annual

[5:19:42] Voice 16: report for approval as amended by trust council and submission to minister of housing enemies

[5:19:49] Voice 16: for the discussion

[5:19:51] Trustee Maude (probable): call the question all favorite excellent thank you

[5:19:56] Trustee Maude (probable): we are moving towards a

[5:19:57] Trustee Maude (probable): conclusion

[5:19:57] Voice 29: all

[5:19:59] Trustee Maude (probable): right so page 359 we have the silence in the trust conservancy january 20th

[5:20:05] Trustee Maude (probable): 26th board meeting just yelling had anything to expand on that our

[5:20:09] Voice 29: conservancy is a shining star

[5:20:11] Voice 29: are and everyone should read the highlights because we're doing a lot of work

[5:20:20] Trustee Maude (probable): okay so that's just for receipt and

[5:20:23] Trustee Yates (probable): we are both very happy to be on the conservancy board

[5:20:26] Trustee Yates (probable): yeah so

[5:20:29] Trustee Maude (probable): in 360 we have applications for support just for your information um

[5:20:35] Trustee Maude (probable): 368 we have trustee local especially for for your information uh uh page 369 377

[5:20:43] Trustee Maude (probable): to 377 about the policies and resolutions for your information then we flip over the page um

[5:20:51] Trustee Maude (probable): 13.6 first nations relationship building up update

[5:20:55] Voice 17: is

[5:20:57] Trustee Maude (probable): that just a placeholder is there

[5:20:59] Trustee Maude (probable): something specific on that i

[5:21:00] Voice 16: think it is a placeholder relationship

[5:21:02] Voice 16: building update i

[5:21:04] Voice 16: think yes it might be for the senior policy advisor too or maybe even our candidates

[5:21:10] Voice 16: actually on that note i did have a chat with joe elliott and he said if we wanted to follow up

[5:21:17] Voice 16: about um respectful territorial acknowledgements for specifically for gabriella what i mentioned

[5:21:23] Voice 16: in the beginning um we could do that by resolution so if you wouldn't mind we could or i could prepare

[5:21:32] Voice 16: one in the next week next month your

[5:21:35] Trustee Maude (probable): choice how's

[5:21:37] Voice 16: our timing okay um i

[5:21:40] Trustee Maude (probable): also wanted the 440 very

[5:21:42] Trustee Maude (probable): work right okay

[5:21:43] Voice 16: that we have a closed meeting quick yeah yeah so that the gavel local trust

[5:21:50] Voice 16: committee requests staff to follow up with please the name of first nation and we could say

[5:21:57] Voice 9: I can just say staff.

[5:21:59] Voice 16: Just staff.

[5:22:00] Voice 16: Okay.

[5:22:00] Voice 16: Regarding appropriate territorial

[5:22:03] Voice 16: for opening

[5:22:05] Voice 16: Gabriel on both

[5:22:07] Voice 16: meetings.

[5:22:09] Voice 16: Yeah.

[5:22:11] Voice 22: I'll second that.

[5:22:14] Voice 22: Do we have suggestions?

[5:22:21] Voice 9: Is your request

[5:22:22] Voice 9: earlier I understood your request to be about

[5:22:25] Voice 9: what how the minutes reflected

[5:22:27] Voice 9: or are you talking

[5:22:29] Voice 9: about the chair's opening statement that they that they use it's

[5:22:33] Voice 16: both um yeah because there's

[5:22:37] Voice 16: nuances for every LTC and I think the minutes sort of reflect abroad coastal first nations

[5:22:43] Voice 16: um but there may be particular support I guess we could say for the period of acknowledgement

[5:22:51] Voice 16: in opening meetings and with recordings opening and recordings of meetings through

[5:23:16] Voice 10: the chair i

[5:23:16] Voice 10: believe that if you um if one is established and that is what's typically put on the agenda package

[5:23:25] Voice 10: then that's automatically reflected in this oh

[5:23:30] Voice 14: what's on the

[5:23:30] Voice 5: agenda well

[5:23:32] Voice 14: we just have

[5:23:32] Voice 14: charitable it doesn't say specifically in

[5:23:37] Voice 16: the agendas sorry it's what i'm receiving

[5:23:41] Voice 16: yeah don't we just have welcome

[5:23:45] Voice 16: yeah so like um the

[5:23:50] Voice 15: actual acknowledgement out recorded in a

[5:23:54] Voice 5: few minutes thank you

[5:23:57] Voice 15: so

[5:23:58] Voice 5: second trustee

[5:23:58] Trustee Maude (probable): is all the question okay it carries

[5:24:03] Voice 5: um

[5:24:04] Trustee Maude (probable): climate change action update again

[5:24:06] Trustee Maude (probable): i assume a placeholder and local trust committee web page that's okay so we move to page 378

[5:24:16] Trustee Maude (probable): active projects report and 379 future projects any questions or comments

[5:24:24] Voice 15: So

[5:24:25] Trustee Maude (probable): we move to 15.1, upcoming meetings, regular meetings scheduled for Thursday, May 21, 2026 at 10.30 a.m. in the Gabriel Arts and Heritage Center.

[5:24:35] Voice 5: Great.

[5:24:36] Trustee Maude (probable): All right. So now we need to have a motion to go into closed session.

[5:24:44] Voice 16: I move that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter Part 4, Division 3, Section 91A.

[5:24:50] Voice 16: A, for the purpose of considering personal information

[5:24:54] Voice 16: about identifying individual holders being considered

[5:24:57] Voice 16: for a position as an office student

[5:24:58] Voice 16: by your agent of the municipality

[5:24:59] Voice 16: or another position appointed by the municipality

[5:25:02] Voice 16: and then the recording staff .

[5:25:05] Trustee Maude (probable): Second. Second.

[5:25:06] Voice 5: A

[5:25:07] Trustee Maude (probable): question of favor.

[5:25:08] Trustee Maude (probable): We are in camera.

[5:25:12] Trustee Maude (probable): All right.

[5:25:15] Trustee Maude (probable): I actually have a hard copy.