Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, May 21, 2026

[0:00:02] Trustee Patrick: Well, good morning, everybody.

[0:00:04] Trustee Patrick: I'd like to call this meeting of the Gabriola Local Trust Committee to order.

[0:00:09] Trustee Patrick: We're live streaming and we're recording this meeting, and the recording will be available in a few days.

[0:00:15] Trustee Patrick: I always begin with acknowledging with respect and humility that the lands and the waters of the Gabriola Island Local Trust Area have been home to Indigenous people since time immemorial.

[0:00:25] Trustee Patrick: Their deep connection to these islands continues to this day.

[0:00:28] Trustee Patrick: we honor their enduring presence constitutional rights and responsibilities before i continue i

[0:00:36] Trustee Patrick: i was very disheartened to see photographs circulating on facebook of stickers placed

[0:00:40] Trustee Patrick: on sounder boxes that reference the island's trust in a divisive and inflammatory way i won't

[0:00:47] Trustee Patrick: repeat the language that was on it it's not appropriate but i appreciate the sounder for

[0:00:53] Trustee Patrick: speaking out against this kind of rhetoric in this community we are living through a genuine period

[0:00:58] Trustee Patrick: of transition in British Columbia.

[0:01:01] Trustee Patrick: Indigenous title was never extinguished.

[0:01:05] Trustee Patrick: That reality is not new,

[0:01:08] Trustee Patrick: but our collective willingness to speak,

[0:01:12] Trustee Patrick: to engage with it is.

[0:01:18] Trustee Patrick: On today's agenda, we have a long-awaited draft

[0:01:20] Trustee Patrick: of the update of the official community plan.

[0:01:23] Trustee Patrick: The OCP has been revised to reflect many of the changes

[0:01:26] Trustee Patrick: that have occurred since 1997,

[0:01:27] Trustee Patrick: while also reaffirming the community's values and setting direction for a resilient and sustainable future.

[0:01:34] Trustee Patrick: This includes strengthening our commitment to working with First Nations

[0:01:38] Trustee Patrick: and respecting government-to-government relationships in land use planning.

[0:01:43] Trustee Patrick: I really encourage people to read this book, Unseated.

[0:01:47] Trustee Patrick: The title says it all, Understanding British Columbia's Colonial Past and Why It Matters Now.

[0:01:53] Trustee Patrick: now. On April 21st, I attended a good relations discussion with Adam Olson and the author of this

[0:01:59] Trustee Patrick: book, George Abbott, and I left with renewed clarity and energy for the important work

[0:02:05] Trustee Patrick: ahead of us. On May 16th, I also attended a panel discussion with former BC Attorney Generals

[0:02:12] Trustee Patrick: Andrew Petter, Jeff Plant, along with Adam Olson. During the discussion, both former Attorney

[0:02:17] Trustee Patrick: Generals emphasized that people should not be fearful about private property rights.

[0:02:22] Trustee Patrick: If you have an opportunity to watch that recording, I really encourage it.

[0:02:28] Trustee Patrick: I know many people are hearing calls to slow down or to wait or fear of reconciliation

[0:02:34] Trustee Patrick: and legislation such as the Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act.

[0:02:40] Trustee Patrick: There is uncertainty and in some cases fear being amplified in public discourse particularly

[0:02:47] Trustee Patrick: around ownership and rights.

[0:02:49] Trustee Patrick: I encourage people to seek out thoughtful, informed voices, to read widely, listen carefully, and engage respectfully with these issues.

[0:03:00] Trustee Patrick: If we are only reading slogans on the side of mailboxes or social media posts or overheated political rhetoric, we risk losing the opportunity for informed, constructive community dialogue in this moment.

[0:03:16] Trustee Patrick: All right, I'd like to make a few introductions.

[0:03:18] Trustee Patrick: I'm elected on Salt Spring Island and chair of this local trust committee and I'm joined

[0:03:23] Trustee Patrick: today by trustee Susan Yates and trustee Toby Elliott and together we make up this local

[0:03:30] Trustee Patrick: trust committee.

[0:03:30] Trustee Patrick: We have a number of staff joining us today.

[0:03:33] Trustee Patrick: We have Stephen Bogg, we have Nerissa Chadwick, we have Lisa Millard and in the background

[0:03:38] Trustee Patrick: I believe we have regional planning manager Renee Gemmaret.

[0:03:42] Trustee Patrick: This meeting is an official forum for your local trust committee to make decisions about

[0:03:45] Trustee Patrick: land use planning matters and discuss relevant business this is also a place of employment and

[0:03:50] Trustee Patrick: our staff have the right to save the respectful workplace um there will be an opportunity for

[0:03:56] Trustee Patrick: you to speak in a little bit and we'll prepare for that in a few moments but first we have an agenda

[0:04:01] Trustee Patrick: before us uh trustees is there any additions or changes to the agenda yes we

[0:04:08] Voice 16: would like to add

[0:04:09] Voice 16: an in-camera meeting at item 16 and we will need to add a motion to close the

[0:04:17] Voice 16: meeting.

[0:04:18] Trustee Patrick: A new item 16.

[0:04:21] Voice 16: A motion to close the meeting and then we look to add a

[0:04:25] Voice 16: finalizing report. So 16 for this meeting, 16.1 for the motion to close the meeting and

[0:04:31] Voice 16: 16.2 for the final report. All right.

[0:04:35] Trustee Patrick: Any other changes to the agenda? Can we approve the

[0:04:38] Trustee Patrick: agenda as amended through general consent excellent okay trustees then we go into trustee reports

[0:04:48] Trustee Patrick: who would like to go first would

[0:04:50] Trustee Elliott: you like to go first sure i'll be shorter this time

[0:04:55] Trustee Elliott: um and so together with the rest of uh the executive committee vice chairs and the chair

[0:05:01] Trustee Elliott: we attended um avicc april 20th work to 26 that's the association of vancouver island coastal

[0:05:08] Trustee Elliott: Community's annual convention. It's really an excellent time for municipalities to get

[0:05:16] Trustee Elliott: together and share information and learning sessions. I'd be happy to pass

[0:05:23] Trustee Elliott: on the report that I provided. All four of us provided a report to trustees, but

[0:05:30] Trustee Elliott: just a few highlights. There's a great workshop. Chair Patrick and I attended on

[0:05:35] Trustee Elliott: managing polarities and addressing polarizing topics in our communities. There's a great

[0:05:40] Trustee Elliott: workshop by young Anderson lawyers on water jurisdictions with an overview of key regulatory

[0:05:45] Trustee Elliott: issues facing local governments. That was really dense, lots to unpack there, but it was recorded,

[0:05:53] Trustee Elliott: so I think that'll be available for AEIS members. I highly advise staff also take a look at it

[0:05:59] Trustee Elliott: because it was really from the law perspective and a few case precedent-setting cases as well.

[0:06:07] Trustee Elliott: I attended the Saanich Inlet Protection Society Roundtable.

[0:06:11] Trustee Elliott: This was sort of as a delegate from executive committee. I'll send you the house please.

[0:06:18] Trustee Elliott: Sorry. On May 14th and this was a focus on water quality in Redwood Bay and I'm interested in this

[0:06:25] Trustee Elliott: because of course uh water marine issues um liveaboards uh the implications of

[0:06:33] Trustee Elliott: of derelict and abandoned vessels are affecting all of our communities and in particular gabriella

[0:06:39] Trustee Elliott: we've been um seeing that arise in those since covid so there was quite a few key presentations

[0:06:46] Trustee Elliott: um the mayor of central sanich and again i will produce a report for executive there's a number

[0:06:52] Trustee Elliott: very good pieces of information. They had started the process to apply for a license of occupation

[0:06:59] Trustee Elliott: to manage morgues in the bay. That was started in 2017, and it was unsuccessful so far. They still

[0:07:05] Trustee Elliott: don't have that, but that is what a municipality can do to manage liveaboards and abandoned vessels.

[0:07:11] Trustee Elliott: As Trust, of course, we do not have that authority as a service, but I think the path that they've

[0:07:19] Trustee Elliott: followed is worth um sort of noting and and trying to find out where one of the leverage points with

[0:07:26] Trustee Elliott: the province um this is a very much a live conversation of how to manage overboards and

[0:07:31] Trustee Elliott: abandoned vessels uh there's a presentation on clam garden restoration program and i think what's

[0:07:36] Trustee Elliott: of interest of this is they that how difficult it is to get shellfish monitoring sites opened up

[0:07:44] Trustee Elliott: they were successful in getting two more sites um with funded by dfo say out first nation and parks

[0:07:51] Trustee Elliott: canada um this is really key i mean on gabriel island um so barrier 17 is typically open but

[0:07:59] Trustee Elliott: that's not the case in points to the gulf islands there it's it costs a lot there needs to be weekly

[0:08:05] Trustee Elliott: monitoring of the bivalves um for a year or something in order to open that so um this

[0:08:13] Trustee Elliott: actually prohibits traditional and conventional shellfish harvesting. And so because of these two

[0:08:21] Trustee Elliott: new openings, Indigenous harvesters were able to bring home more than 11,000 pounds of clams and

[0:08:28] Trustee Elliott: seafood for their communities and elders. So it's been a great success, but that's in part because

[0:08:33] Trustee Elliott: the Clam Garden Restoration Program worked in partnership with 10 Coast Salish Nations and

[0:08:38] Trustee Elliott: And they've really done, you know, that partnership of Indigenous knowledge and environmental monitoring and sort of the science-based approach to marry those two together.

[0:08:51] Trustee Elliott: Clam gardens are, I don't know, it's the way forward and we need to be watching for how we can support that work maybe here on Gabriela.

[0:09:00] Trustee Elliott: They also presented, there's a Brentwood Bay Marine Cleanup Nonprofit Society.

[0:09:07] Trustee Elliott: So this was just sort of highlighting the multi-jurisdictional challenges to addressing

[0:09:12] Trustee Elliott: some of the water issues in something like this bay.

[0:09:16] Trustee Elliott: They had removed over 17,000 pounds of waste and 15 to 20 dinghies.

[0:09:22] Trustee Elliott: This was a non-profit society.

[0:09:24] Trustee Elliott: So and I just want to highlight we have had a member Gabriel and one is here today.

[0:09:29] Trustee Elliott: So I wanted to thank you for your work Gavin Codeworth and others who have worked to clean

[0:09:35] Trustee Elliott: up Degnan Bay and removed in partnership with DFO 3, 4, how many vessels?

[0:09:42] Voice 10: Mostly transport canons.

[0:09:43] Trustee Elliott: Mostly transport canons.

[0:09:44] Voice 10: 12 vessels and a float house.

[0:09:46] Trustee Elliott: 12 vessels and a float house.

[0:09:48] Trustee Elliott: So that is really significant work.

[0:09:51] Voice 10: So

[0:09:51] Trustee Elliott: I just wanted to recognize that.

[0:09:53] Trustee Elliott: And without the community members who are keeping an eye and actually have put a lot

[0:09:59] Trustee Elliott: of effort and time into addressing this issue, there is a federal fund,

[0:10:04] Trustee Elliott: but it is really hard to get attention and there's mechanisms so um and then just also to highlight

[0:10:11] Trustee Elliott: there's a marine pump out service that it's called pumpty dumpty you can go on the website

[0:10:18] Trustee Elliott: pumpty dumpty uh it was an out of service i think tugboat um and it's it's been donated to

[0:10:26] Trustee Elliott: start the first nation and will now be managed by the sandwich inlet clean water society

[0:10:31] Trustee Elliott: So that actually is pumping out boats in the bay, that's a service.

[0:10:35] Trustee Elliott: And finally, Surfrider does testing, so water contamination testing for fecal contamination.

[0:10:44] Trustee Elliott: So there's some research, and this relates to our OCP review, that most of the fecal contamination that shows up in the bay comes from land,

[0:10:55] Trustee Elliott: likely due to failing septic systems and stormwater runoff not being properly managed so

[0:11:01] Trustee Elliott: that's an issue that um we need to be looking at as well is as we consider our ocp review is

[0:11:08] Trustee Elliott: where you know setbacks for septic systems and how much residential um uh construction

[0:11:14] Trustee Elliott: should go in the in the shoreline areas because that definitely has an impact on the base so

[0:11:19] Trustee Elliott: So I have enough of that.

[0:11:22] Trustee Elliott: Conservancy board meeting on May 12th.

[0:11:24] Trustee Elliott: We both attended.

[0:11:25] Trustee Elliott: I'll let you maybe have some notes on that.

[0:11:29] Trustee Elliott: I do want to say there was an interesting discussion

[0:11:32] Trustee Elliott: on the management plan for Manzanita Ridge Nature Reserve.

[0:11:38] Trustee Elliott: Salt Spring, you've got a note on that.

[0:11:40] Trustee Elliott: And so what's different about that plan

[0:11:42] Trustee Elliott: is they're proposing to do management practices

[0:11:45] Trustee Elliott: practices um that are not typical for our standard practice in ITC's nature reserves

[0:11:53] Trustee Elliott: um they were a co-covenant holder they're not the primary covenant holder right right so

[0:11:58] Trustee Elliott: ecological thinning and ladder field reduction for the wildlife's wildlife

[0:12:04] Trustee Elliott: so we did have a good discussion on that and it was highlighted that there are two

[0:12:09] Trustee Elliott: two other nature reserves, the Couch and Garriott Preserve in Duncan,

[0:12:14] Trustee Elliott: that has actually done burning for the Meadow Restoration.

[0:12:18] Trustee Elliott: And a nature reserve on Galleon on Quadra Hill includes indigenous hunting

[0:12:22] Trustee Elliott: and burning for wildfire mitigation in some areas.

[0:12:26] Trustee Elliott: So this is sort of a new practice that Conservancy is,

[0:12:31] Trustee Elliott: we're seeing how this works out in terms of the nature plans.

[0:12:35] Trustee Elliott: Committee of the Whole, we met May 13th.

[0:12:38] Trustee Elliott: and made a recommendation to request staff

[0:12:42] Trustee Elliott: to compile all the information from the referral agencies,

[0:12:48] Trustee Elliott: particularly the Ministry of Municipal Affairs,

[0:12:51] Trustee Elliott: on the policy statement draft.

[0:12:54] Trustee Elliott: There's a lot of really key information,

[0:12:57] Trustee Elliott: in particular from Min Mooney,

[0:12:59] Trustee Elliott: that I think we need to heed.

[0:13:03] Trustee Elliott: It is the approving ministry for that bylaw.

[0:13:06] Trustee Elliott: so uh so that request has gone forward and so we'll be seeing i don't think we approved a new

[0:13:12] Trustee Elliott: meeting but we're going to look at that in june right and of course we received the what we heard

[0:13:16] Trustee Elliott: report and all

[0:13:18] Trustee Elliott: the public comments um on that draft by law um community work uh we and i was

[0:13:28] Trustee Elliott: able to celebrate made on gabriola the opening of the theater festival on friday may 15th just want

[0:13:33] Trustee Elliott: want to say kudos to the amazing organizing team um we pulled together we now have a second annual

[0:13:39] Trustee Elliott: spring fair um for the mayday long weekend celebrating real artists and makers everything

[0:13:45] Trustee Elliott: from soaps to songs i think is their tagline it's very catchy it was a remarkable festival

[0:13:51] Trustee Elliott: and finally um today i'm hoping we finish at 2 30 if we can elder geraldine mattson

[0:13:59] Trustee Elliott: It will be celebrated over at Vancouver Island University.

[0:14:05] Trustee Elliott: She is retiring after 18 years of service as the Elder-in-Residence there.

[0:14:13] Trustee Elliott: So if anybody knows General Payne and would like to sign it, I'm going to hopefully head

[0:14:20] Trustee Elliott: over there between our regular meeting tonight.

[0:14:24] Trustee Elliott: So thanks, everybody.

[0:14:27] Trustee Elliott: everybody, and feel free to contact me if you want any of those reports or any details

[0:14:31] Trustee Elliott: on the Sanctioned Protection Society roundtable. It's probably worth following up. There's

[0:14:37] Trustee Elliott: a lot of time. Thanks.

[0:14:39] Voice 16: Thank you, Trustee Elliott. And I want to thank both you and Chair Patrick and David

[0:14:44] Voice 16: Maud and Tim Peterson, the other vice chairs, for your ABICC reports, because the value

[0:14:50] Voice 16: of you going to those meetings is that we get all of that knowledge with your very well-written

[0:14:56] Voice 16: reports thank you

[0:14:57] Voice 16: so much for that so um so lisa i sent you this late last night as always just so

[0:15:04] Voice 16: you have the spelling i have one edition between may 18th and june 3rd which i'll talk about um

[0:15:11] Voice 16: so may 7th trust programs committee meeting the highlight for me was the review of the five

[0:15:17] Voice 16: stewardship education webinars that were held in 2025 they were all so good and i think it's one

[0:15:26] Voice 16: of the best things that the islands trust provides is the stewardship education webinars also very

[0:15:33] Voice 16: enjoyable for me was the recommendations to trust council for the islands trust community stewardship

[0:15:39] Voice 16: stewardship awards. So I know the nominations have already gone out to the press yesterday,

[0:15:48] Voice 16: so people will know who has been nominated. And the awards will be finalized at the June

[0:15:56] Voice 16: Trust Council meeting. We had a good discussion on the trust policy statement and ongoing revisions

[0:16:04] Voice 16: for the future and we talked about when we have a new term of trustees they should be introduced

[0:16:11] Voice 16: to the trust policy statement right away and I kept thinking oh maybe that's too soon they have

[0:16:16] Voice 16: so much to absorb but then they can identify topics that may warrant amendment and not have

[0:16:24] Voice 16: the trust policy statement go for 27 years without getting an amendment so it's probably a good idea

[0:16:31] Voice 16: May 12, I attended an Islands Trust Conservancy board meeting along with my fellow trustee, Toby, and it was a reminder for me of the importance of the Islands Trust Conservancy being a referral agency for relevant development applications across the trust area.

[0:16:50] Voice 16: So, for example, there was one from North Kendare relating to a rezoning for big industrial use on a property adjacent to three other properties with very high conservation values.

[0:17:03] Voice 16: So it was good for us to be able to comment on that.

[0:17:06] Voice 16: And also very exciting to look at the new management plan for Manzanita Ridge on Salt Spring Island to consider Indigenous, well, to employ Indigenous stewardship practices.

[0:17:18] Voice 16: And actually, all across Canada, many conservancies are working with Indigenous groups.

[0:17:26] Voice 16: Nature Conservancy Canada, for example, is one.

[0:17:29] Voice 16: And they know now, after a number of years, that the values of those protected areas are enhanced.

[0:17:37] Voice 16: The many

[0:17:38] Voice 16: values, the ecological values and the cultural values, when they were first introduced.

[0:17:44] Voice 16: So I'm happy with that.

[0:17:46] Voice 16: um we talked about the natural area protection tax exemption program at our conservancy board

[0:17:54] Voice 16: meeting and a decision to pursue advocacy to the provincial government for an increase in the

[0:18:01] Voice 16: NAPTEP exemption for landholders wanting to protect portions of their property so staff are going to

[0:18:08] Voice 16: review the various tax shifts and report back to council and to the honest trust conservancy board

[0:18:14] Voice 16: with an analysis of the implications because there could be more work

[0:18:18] Voice 16: because if covenant holders and property protectors decide to switch

[0:18:24] Voice 16: from a regular covenant to a NAPTEP covenant,

[0:18:28] Voice 16: which gives them a tax exemption, there will be more work in that.

[0:18:33] Voice 16: But overall, when compared to the cost of buying land with public funds,

[0:18:38] Voice 16: NAPTEP, Natural Area Protection Tax Exemption Program,

[0:18:42] Voice 16: is a very cost effective approach to land conservation.

[0:18:47] Voice 16: I remember when the NAPTEP was first started

[0:18:50] Voice 16: about three decades ago,

[0:18:53] Voice 16: Kim Benson on Keats Island was on trust council

[0:18:57] Voice 16: and she decided to take this in hand and go forward

[0:19:01] Voice 16: and she did it and it's an amazing accomplishment

[0:19:04] Voice 16: for the Islands Trust to have that.

[0:19:08] Voice 16: So May 13th Committee of the Whole meeting

[0:19:11] Voice 16: to discuss the results of the trust policy survey

[0:19:13] Voice 16: input surveys, public meetings, written submissions, over 2,000 responses, and quite exciting to meet

[0:19:22] Voice 16: online the group called Be the Change, the research group who did the quantitative and

[0:19:28] Voice 16: the qualitative coding of all of those responses. I was so impressed with their work. They had no

[0:19:36] Voice 16: predefined categories. They came up with 14 main themes relating to public interest regarding the

[0:19:43] Voice 16: trust policy statement um and when and then we have discussion about how the policy statement

[0:19:49] Voice 16: relates to individual trust areas and to the trust as a federation and that always interests me

[0:19:56] Voice 16: because i consider my duty as a trustee not just to our local trust area but also to the federation

[0:20:02] Voice 16: and certainly the act the provincial act recognizes the value of the unlicensed trust area

[0:20:08] Voice 16: of the Federation. So throughout May, I had lots of stuff with BC Ferries. So correspondence with

[0:20:18] Voice 16: BC Ferries management in response to their additional summer service for many routes

[0:20:24] Voice 16: up and down the coast, but not our route, not Route 19. So I am working with Gabriel

[0:20:30] Voice 16: Transportation Society to advocate for possible solutions to the dreaded summer lineups on both

[0:20:36] Voice 16: sides of our crossing with one obvious solution being to add one more sailing from Nanaimo between

[0:20:45] Voice 16: 520 and 630. Then I had an interview with Gregor Craigie on CBC Radio on May 11th and it was part

[0:20:54] Voice 16: of CBC Radio's week-long BC Ferries special program and it was a really delightful interview.

[0:21:00] Voice 16: you um i am such a fan of river cranky i have this book called our crumbling foundation which

[0:21:07] Voice 16: is about housing and i love that book and it was great to talk to him and he asked some really good

[0:21:14] Voice 16: questions mainly relating to why i still live here despite the fairies so i

[0:21:21] Voice 16: tried to be really

[0:21:22] Voice 16: positive about that and I did focus on ferry cost and ferry service to our residents. I tried to be

[0:21:32] Voice 16: nice to BC Ferries wherever possible but mostly I was just nice to our community. On

[0:21:38] Voice 16: May 18th

[0:21:39] Voice 16: I wrote a letter to provincial authorities and our MLA which will be included in a comprehensive

[0:21:47] Voice 16: of report concerning drivers to doctors and the urgent need for assured loading at Nanaimo and

[0:21:53] Voice 16: Gabriela terminals. So we know that the ferry lineups, especially in the summer, pose a double

[0:21:58] Voice 16: threat to this service, distressingly long waits in uncomfortable conditions for the driver and the

[0:22:05] Voice 16: patient, and potential loss of volunteer drivers when a four to five hour trip becomes an all-day

[0:22:10] Voice 16: adventure. May 26th, I will be attending an online briefing with BC Ferries Communications

[0:22:18] Voice 16: and a few Gambola Transportation Society members regarding inoperable electric vehicles on the

[0:22:26] Voice 16: ferries. There was lots of information that came out from BC Ferries on their new policy, which is

[0:22:32] Voice 16: great. I think we had something to do with that. But there are still questions about what happens

[0:22:38] Voice 16: if you've decided your vehicle is safe to go on the ferry and you're in the lineup and

[0:22:42] Voice 16: and a crew member or a captain says uh nope well then what happens so we'll ask those questions

[0:22:50] Voice 16: at that briefing on the 26th and then on june 3rd at the aggie hall right across the way there

[0:22:56] Voice 16: from one to four is a meeting that i cannot attend you can't remember of trustee elliot you can't

[0:23:03] Voice 16: either um but i have said comments too for the gabrielle island ferry terminal this is the name

[0:23:10] Voice 16: of the project gabrielle island ferry terminal active transportation link feasibility study

[0:23:17] Voice 16: initiated by the regional district of nanaimo and our director vanessa craig and um i know members

[0:23:25] Voice 16: of the gabriella transportation society will be at that meeting we don't care what they call it

[0:23:30] Voice 16: we just want a safe pathway from the ferry to the village that's it all

[0:23:36] Trustee Patrick: right again we've got

[0:23:39] Trustee Patrick: the most active trustees in the entire uh first area which is good or the most verbose

[0:23:47] Trustee Elliott: too

[0:23:47] Trustee Patrick: um i just wanted to first uh uh share uh for uh trustee elliot's benefit she talked about the

[0:23:53] Trustee Patrick: climb gardens and the sewer systems uh salt spring has been uh uh down in pulpit pulpit we have a

[0:23:59] Trustee Patrick: climate arm that dates back 4 500 years that is having a restoration project and in conversations

[0:24:05] Trustee Patrick: with park canada they asked why haven't we opted into the crd septic system maintenance by law

[0:24:11] Trustee Patrick: it's like it's an interesting question why haven't we well the service area doesn't include

[0:24:17] Trustee Patrick: salt spring so that answered that question quite quickly but um uh salt spring is exploring this a

[0:24:23] Trustee Patrick: that Mark Bowen Island has brought in a sewer system

[0:24:27] Trustee Patrick: or is in the process of bringing in a sewer system

[0:24:30] Trustee Patrick: and maintenance bylaw.

[0:24:32] Trustee Patrick: We don't have the authority.

[0:24:34] Trustee Patrick: Let's cut to the chase.

[0:24:35] Trustee Patrick: That's not an Island's Trust item

[0:24:37] Trustee Patrick: and the local government act would be of authority to do,

[0:24:39] Trustee Patrick: but through partnership with the regional districts,

[0:24:41] Trustee Patrick: this is something to pursue.

[0:24:43] Trustee Patrick: So this is just something we're looking at on Salt Spring,

[0:24:47] Trustee Patrick: something to consider.

[0:24:47] Trustee Patrick: I know most of us that have lived on the islands

[0:24:50] Trustee Patrick: for a long time know how to maintain our septic systems,

[0:24:53] Trustee Patrick: But many of the newcomers that come don't even know

[0:24:55] Trustee Patrick: what a septic system is, but it makes a huge difference from the quality of the shoreline if the system is maintained.

[0:25:07] Trustee Patrick: And that's what is important.

[0:25:11] Trustee Patrick: I should mention, I attended the BC Economic Development Conference last week at my own expense.

[0:25:17] Trustee Patrick: expense. It really provided an opportunity to engage with local governments and indigenous

[0:25:22] Trustee Patrick: leaders and community economic development staff, including yours here in Maryland,

[0:25:28] Trustee Patrick: and community organizations on the interconnected challenges facing communities across

[0:25:33] Trustee Patrick: British Columbia. Trust Council will be meeting June 16th, 17th, and 18th. It is a fully virtual

[0:25:41] Trustee Patrick: meeting. I know listening in to three

[0:25:44] Trustee Patrick: days of meetings is always a long time, but

[0:25:47] Trustee Patrick: um uh it will be recorded the public uh comment period will be on the 16th the time hasn't been

[0:25:54] Trustee Patrick: set yet but it's usually later you know later in the afternoon on the 16th so that um if you're

[0:26:00] Trustee Patrick: wishing to hear in or speak to trust council um you'll be able to do so virtually um pay

[0:26:08] Trustee Patrick: attention to the agenda which is usually out um at least two to three weeks before the meeting

[0:26:14] Trustee Patrick: I can't read my own notes. Tomorrow, we're having a cross-border forum with our friends

[0:26:29] Trustee Patrick: from the San Juan Islands. This is a virtual meeting as well. We were in person in the

[0:26:34] Trustee Patrick: fall. We're trying to meet twice a year. We have issues of commonality, as you can expect.

[0:26:40] Trustee Patrick: fact, you look at a map of the area, why the border was drawn, where it is, we are a geographic

[0:26:48] Trustee Patrick: area that's intimately connected. And we work well together with our partners across the waters. I

[0:26:55] Trustee Patrick: know most say south of the border is a challenge, but I think Washington State and San Juan

[0:27:01] Trustee Patrick: in particular. I think we all have more in common than we do apart. And there will be

[0:27:09] Trustee Patrick: a breakout session on oil spill. And so we're renewing our calls due to the incredibly increased

[0:27:19] Trustee Patrick: volume of oil tankers in the waters to improve the oil spill response in the water. So that's

[0:27:27] Trustee Patrick: tomorrow. Okay, I know that Vanessa could not be here today. Is there anything from her report that

[0:27:37] Trustee Patrick: needs to be called out? I know she always submits a report. Do

[0:27:43] Trustee Patrick: you

[0:27:47] Trustee Elliott: want me to

[0:27:52] Trustee Elliott: touch on her report?

[0:27:55] Trustee Elliott: it's quite yes

[0:27:57] Trustee Patrick: there's always a lot of material there i

[0:28:00] Trustee Elliott: think they do her reports get published

[0:28:03] Trustee Elliott: in the summer yeah okay okay

[0:28:06] Trustee Elliott: so it'll be there and just we should really thank director craig

[0:28:10] Trustee Elliott: she was totally on it with getting well i flagged for me the um the discussion around the proposed

[0:28:19] Trustee Elliott: proposed updated building bylaw and so I was able to watch the ESAC meeting of May 7th and hear the

[0:28:25] Trustee Elliott: discussion and um through that she um forwarded the referral to this body so just she's so

[0:28:34] Trustee Elliott: excellent at working together with us and I really appreciate it and

[0:28:37] Voice 16: she was so excellent also at

[0:28:40] Voice 16: getting the long name of the project to get the pathway that was

[0:28:45] Trustee Elliott: a miracle I

[0:28:46] Voice 16: honestly don't know

[0:28:47] Voice 16: how that suddenly happened it's because we met with all everybody everybody the province

[0:28:52] Voice 16: we met

[0:28:53] Voice 16: down there just to talk about a crosswalk oh really that wasn't possible so then uh because

[0:29:01] Voice 16: then the crosswalk would go nowhere because it wasn't a path for the crosswalk to get to

[0:29:05] Voice 16: so then we said okay it has to be a path so you're a mess engineer that's right so but it really was

[0:29:11] Voice 16: director right and

[0:29:12] Trustee Patrick: yeah yes she is she is wonderful okay are there uh any first nations reports that

[0:29:22] Voice 7: um

[0:29:22] Trustee Patrick: okay well then we are at the public participation point

[0:29:32] Trustee Elliott: sorry chair um i don't know it's not part of our report did you mention about ocean's day

[0:29:38] Trustee Elliott: No, I didn't.

[0:29:39] Trustee Elliott: So the name of First Nation is hosting an event June 7th, isn't it?

[0:29:49] Trustee Elliott: June 7th.

[0:29:50] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, Oceans Day on Resort No. 5.

[0:29:54] Trustee Elliott: And so the Marine Division, I think they've been hosting this for the last three years.

[0:30:00] Trustee Elliott: and there'll be barbecue and fish educational events um they'll show their underwater

[0:30:07] Trustee Elliott: remote operated vehicles and technology and talk about um the baseline monitoring that they're

[0:30:16] Trustee Elliott: doing so it's a it's a really fantastic and there will be fun

[0:30:19] Trustee Elliott: so i don't know if i can give that report but uh i just saw that social post went out so

[0:30:27] Trustee Elliott: So it's now announced and the whole community is invited.

[0:30:30] Trustee Elliott: These

[0:30:30] Voice 16: do come and lots of good announcements in the sounder about that too.

[0:30:34] Voice 16: That's right. June 7th.

[0:30:36] Trustee Patrick: All right. So this is a time for public comments.

[0:30:41] Trustee Patrick: It's my responsibility shared with the local trustees to ensure that the

[0:30:45] Trustee Patrick: meeting is respectful, inclusive, and culturally safe.

[0:30:49] Trustee Patrick: I know that we will speak respectfully.

[0:30:52] Trustee Patrick: We will acknowledge concerns and questions without causing harm.

[0:30:55] Trustee Patrick: We will uphold cultural safety, and we'll keep this conversation constructive.

[0:31:00] Trustee Patrick: And I want to thank you in advance for helping us create a respectful and productive environment

[0:31:05] Trustee Patrick: in which all participants feel safe, valued, and able to participate fully.

[0:31:12] Trustee Patrick: This is your opportunity to speak.

[0:31:14] Trustee Patrick: We want to hear your questions and comments at this time.

[0:31:17] Trustee Patrick: Later in the agenda, we'll be discussing various topics, making decisions.

[0:31:21] Trustee Patrick: Your questions and comments are valued and help us make good decisions.

[0:31:24] Trustee Patrick: I do want to call out that there is a meeting, a community information meeting later on the

[0:31:30] Trustee Patrick: official community plan.

[0:31:33] Trustee Patrick: This is if you feel you have comments that you want to make about the draft document,

[0:31:38] Trustee Patrick: there will be lots of opportunity.

[0:31:40] Trustee Patrick: We're not making any decisions in regard to that other than how we're going to engage

[0:31:45] Trustee Patrick: with you on the document later in the agenda.

[0:31:48] Trustee Patrick: agenda. So I just want to remind that tonight at 630, at 630 on the Ag Hall across the street

[0:31:55] Trustee Patrick: is the information meeting that we're having on that. So when addressing the local trust

[0:32:03] Trustee Patrick: committee, direct your comments to the three of us, not the audience or staff. Always speak

[0:32:08] Trustee Patrick: about issues. We're not individuals. Be clear, concise, and respectful. We don't clap or

[0:32:14] Trustee Patrick: boo. And with that, I officially open up the period. I'm not going to run a timer, but I may

[0:32:21] Trustee Patrick: ask you to wrap up if you are going on. How many people would like to talk to us today? So I kind

[0:32:27] Trustee Patrick: of have an idea. Too many. So we'll start with you and move across the ring. Please state your

[0:32:35] Trustee Patrick: name.

[0:32:35] Trustee Elliott: I'm Jenny Hayes. I'm representing the Reverend Stalker Road. And I am going to address

[0:32:42] Trustee Elliott: the item PLRZ 2025-0138 C word, which is 19.2 on your agenda today.

[0:32:53] Trustee Elliott: I'm going to read the statement just to keep it short.

[0:32:57] Trustee Elliott: Those of us who live along this busy route to Drummond Provincial Park

[0:33:01] Trustee Elliott: are suffering significant health, environmental, and property

[0:33:06] Trustee Elliott: detriments related to rising traffic dust on this unpaved road.

[0:33:11] Trustee Elliott: road. Of Gabriel's three provincial parks, Drum Bay is the only one without a paid road

[0:33:17] Trustee Elliott: access. And yet it's visited by thousands of vehicles annually who walk, picnic, walk

[0:33:25] Trustee Elliott: their dogs, and many of these are tourists. And I did some data from this past weekend

[0:33:30] Trustee Elliott: about that. Folks cycle and walk the road as well with children and pets breathing in

[0:33:37] Trustee Elliott: the dust that is an everyday occurrence for the few residents who live between coast road and the

[0:33:44] Trustee Elliott: park entrance we ask that the local trust committee require the applicants as an additional amenity

[0:33:53] Trustee Elliott: contribution to pave stalker road from the currently paid section above coast road to just

[0:34:00] Trustee Elliott: just past their driveway entrance,

[0:34:04] Trustee Elliott: which is, that is to the entrance of John Big Park.

[0:34:08] Voice 3: Last year's estimate was about $104,000,

[0:34:12] Voice 3: but it requires a

[0:34:14] Trustee Elliott: pre-grading first.

[0:34:18] Trustee Elliott: In summary, it's unfair

[0:34:20] Voice 16: to expect that the six

[0:34:21] Voice 16: or seven Stocker Road residents

[0:34:24] Voice 16: shoulder the expense of paving to promote their health

[0:34:27] Voice 16: and protect their properties and the environment,

[0:34:30] Voice 16: particularly when the park is so widely used.

[0:34:34] Voice 16: There is significant support for this initiative.

[0:34:37] Voice 16: In

[0:34:37] Trustee Elliott: six hours this past long weekend,

[0:34:39] Trustee Elliott: we collected over 200 signatures,

[0:34:42] Trustee Elliott: and that's just cards going one way.

[0:34:45] Trustee Elliott: So I mean, those cards came out,

[0:34:46] Trustee Elliott: so in two hours there were 400 cards.

[0:34:50] Voice 16: In support of the need to pay for dust abatement,

[0:34:52] Voice 16: it is reasonable to request that the SeaWorld applicants

[0:34:56] Voice 16: offset the gains associated with a subdivision

[0:34:59] Voice 16: by contributing pavement costs to the community of Gabriola.

[0:35:04] Voice 16: Thank you.

[0:35:05] Voice 16: Thank you.

[0:35:06] Voice 10: Yeah, my name is Gavin Covert,

[0:35:08] Voice 10: and I wholeheartedly support Virginia Hayes in this matter,

[0:35:12] Voice 10: and I think that paving stock of bogus commensurate

[0:35:15] Voice 10: with the dispensation that the Seawood property is receiving

[0:35:20] Voice 10: based on the fact that they have less than four hectares of land

[0:35:23] Voice 10: which is being subdivided.

[0:35:26] Voice 10: And, yeah, I think, you know,

[0:35:28] Voice 10: the amenity that's currently proposed isn't really sufficient considering the uh you know the

[0:35:33] Voice 10: dispensation they're getting thank you very much first of all right here is in fact so thank

[0:35:40] Voice 6: you

[0:35:41] Voice 6: artist cooper i um i just want i have had some challenges actually accessing the official community

[0:35:49] Voice 6: fund but i just wanted to reference how pleased i am that heritage conservation is referenced in it

[0:35:55] Voice 6: This is particularly important to myself, who is parts Nenemo, and to my family, because

[0:36:04] Voice 6: I think it's significant that we as a community support the protection of our ancestors' remains.

[0:36:18] Voice 6: And this is something that is often overlooked as we talk about how this island will develop.

[0:36:26] Voice 6: and I think there's nothing more precious to any of us to anybody in this room to anybody on this

[0:36:33] Voice 6: island than making sure that our ancestors remains are protected not subject to um to

[0:36:39] Voice 6: disregard or dishonor I just wanted to thank the trust for ensuring that that's there and I

[0:36:45] Voice 6: appreciate it once I get into the actual document fingers crossed I'll have more things to um to

[0:36:52] Voice 6: share with you about that but i wanted to say thank you

[0:36:55] Trustee Patrick: i'm going to go on the side of the room

[0:36:57] Trustee Patrick: and then over here no no okay go ahead

[0:37:00] Voice 14: um good morning my name is jeff and um i'm going to give

[0:37:04] Voice 14: our applicants with respect to the 1900s if

[0:37:06] Trustee Patrick: you're if you're an owner uh you're going to have an

[0:37:10] Trustee Patrick: opportunity to speak during your i

[0:37:12] Voice 14: was actually going to address what it's a comment that got

[0:37:14] Voice 14: made about the stark road uh paving issue is if i'm happy to speak to that because we can give

[0:37:20] Voice 14: your perspective is

[0:37:21] Trustee Patrick: that okay to have that spoken now or

[0:37:25] Voice 12: it's up to you chair but typically we

[0:37:27] Voice 12: typically have to speak at the application yeah

[0:37:29] Voice 14: it falls outside the scope of what

[0:37:31] Voice 14: the application is but i didn't know that i was willing to address the concerns of the attendees

[0:37:36] Voice 14: i think you

[0:37:38] Trustee Patrick: can have an open you can talk about it when we get to your application i think that's

[0:37:41] Trustee Patrick: just that that's going to be your floor and you can cover any topic you want in that time thank

[0:37:46] Trustee Patrick: Thank you. Anyone else that wishes to raise that? Thank you. I should have mentioned that at the beginning that Africans get their time. Go ahead.

[0:37:53] Voice 1: Rich Brooks from Mudge Island, from the Mudge Island Community Association.

[0:38:00] Voice 1: We'd just like to thank Trustee Yates for giving us the opportunity to participate and comment and provide comments relative to the recent RDN policy on building permits.

[0:38:16] Voice 1: improvements. Trustee Yates gave us the opportunity to rally the community members and we conducted

[0:38:28] Voice 1: a survey and had a recent town hall meeting with a significant amount of members from

[0:38:36] Voice 1: the public and we provided our inputs uh both to uh trust the trustees and uh the rdn and for the

[0:38:47] Voice 1: most part it's overwhelming that uh i think it was 80 percent were kind of were in favor of looking

[0:38:56] Voice 1: looking at a voluntary building permit process.

[0:39:01] Voice 1: So hopefully both the RDN and the trust

[0:39:06] Voice 1: will take our comments into consideration

[0:39:09] Voice 1: during the final preparation of a policy.

[0:39:14] Trustee Elliott: Thank you very much.

[0:39:16] Voice 16: And perhaps I can respond to that.

[0:39:17] Voice 16: Thank you, Rich.

[0:39:19] Voice 16: I could have been a bit premature on my part,

[0:39:21] Voice 16: but I was asked by our director what my comments were.

[0:39:25] Voice 16: And I just couldn't come up with anything other than it could be good,

[0:39:30] Voice 16: it could be bad.

[0:39:31] Voice 16: And so I thought, well, why don't I just send it to Micah,

[0:39:34] Voice 16: even though I know you don't represent the entire island much,

[0:39:38] Voice 16: but, you know, you're pretty active on those things.

[0:39:42] Voice 16: So I thought it would be helpful to me to get your comments back.

[0:39:46] Voice 16: And you did that faster than I couldn't believe it.

[0:39:50] Voice 16: So that was very helpful to me as well.

[0:39:53] Voice 16: I

[0:39:54] Voice 1: think one of the things that through the public information process, we were very objective in trying to point out the pros and cons of the building permit process and how it may have an ability to blackstop some of the problems that we're incurring.

[0:40:15] Voice 1: and you know we felt it was quite important that the community understand both the pros and the

[0:40:22] Voice 1: cons to the to the process all

[0:40:26] Trustee Elliott: right go ahead trustee ellie yeah i think it was a bit premature

[0:40:30] Trustee Elliott: um because there is the but there is no bylaw to consider there is a proposal that the

[0:40:36] Trustee Elliott: electoral areas were still have to discuss and they referred it to this body and so i would have

[0:40:42] Trustee Elliott: preferred us to have a chance to look at the referrals first which we're going to do today

[0:40:48] Trustee Elliott: and then perhaps refer it to the lunch advisory funding commission and then we can get that

[0:40:52] Trustee Elliott: community but sure that

[0:40:54] Trustee Elliott: venue so i think that's more the usual process that i would have expected

[0:41:00] Trustee Elliott: and so it's a bit precipitous maybe um uh in getting community comment on something that isn't

[0:41:07] Trustee Elliott: ready for public comment yet right so

[0:41:10] Trustee Elliott: it's still in the formation stage um so i hope it doesn't

[0:41:15] Trustee Elliott: cause the whole community to get excited this is happening or not there still is quite a process to

[0:41:21] Trustee Elliott: go through um and what parts of it there's a lot to that potential proposed building bylaw there

[0:41:27] Trustee Elliott: um there's implications definitely for much and i think it's very important to get

[0:41:31] Trustee Elliott: um the perspective of the much community is advisory planning commission that we have for

[0:41:38] Trustee Elliott: that purpose so um i would have preferred that approach but i'm we can be both sensitive to the

[0:41:44] Trustee Elliott: fact that this is a very live issue for your community yeah thanks anyone else that wishes

[0:41:50] Trustee Patrick: to address us today go ahead yes

[0:41:52] Voice 13: i'd like to just speak in support of the 1900 stalker road

[0:41:56] Voice 13: I think the families who have owned this property have been exemplary for 50 years or more in how they maintained it.

[0:42:06] Voice 13: I've been coming here for over 50 years and walking to Drumbeg or coming along by the water,

[0:42:14] Voice 13: it's always been a magnificent property that they maintain.

[0:42:18] Voice 13: There are three houses built by the original families. They're neat, they're tidy, the grass is kept.

[0:42:25] Voice 13: And I'm really quite surprised in reading through the report how much you're asking for these families to do to just maintain their properties.

[0:42:39] Voice 13: They have a reason why they're asking for this.

[0:42:42] Voice 13: But for three families to get along for 50 years, maintain properties in such good shape, I think it's more of a question of not what they should do for you, but what you can do for them.

[0:42:55] Voice 13: And I think you really have to take consideration in here on how they have managed this.

[0:43:01] Voice 13: And I hope you'll give that consideration.

[0:43:04] Voice 13: Thank you very much.

[0:43:05] Voice 16: Can we get your name, please?

[0:43:07] Voice 16: David Sharp.

[0:43:08] Voice 13: I'm a property owner near the area.

[0:43:12] Voice 13: And I'll just also comment on the dust.

[0:43:16] Voice 13: I do walk Stalker Road with my dog.

[0:43:20] Voice 13: It is dusty.

[0:43:22] Voice 13: But that, I can appreciate it should be paid, but it should be paid by property taxes.

[0:43:29] Voice 13: That's why we pay property taxes.

[0:43:31] Voice 13: Thank you.

[0:43:33] Trustee Patrick: Anyone else that wishes to address us today?

[0:43:38] Trustee Patrick: Alright, your local trustees do want to hear from you, please.

[0:43:41] Trustee Patrick: Your comments, you don't have to wait to meetings to make them.

[0:43:44] Trustee Patrick: Please send emails, particularly to nordinfo at islandstrust.bc.ca

[0:43:49] Trustee Patrick: and your information will be shared with the trustees.

[0:43:52] Trustee Patrick: because what you have to say

[0:43:55] Trustee Patrick: is important and I'm so glad

[0:43:57] Trustee Patrick: Gabriel is

[0:43:58] Trustee Patrick: an active community and that you attend our

[0:44:01] Trustee Patrick: meetings. I can tell you on Salt Spring last week

[0:44:02] Trustee Patrick: we had about 100 chairs and not a single soul

[0:44:04] Trustee Patrick: on any of them. It's difficult to have

[0:44:07] Trustee Patrick: a meeting without people

[0:44:08] Trustee Patrick: so thank you for being here.

[0:44:11] Trustee Patrick: Alright, I'm going to move on

[0:44:13] Trustee Patrick: then in the minutes, in the agenda

[0:44:15] Trustee Patrick: I'm sorry.

[0:44:16] Trustee Patrick: We're at the minutes. We have

[0:44:19] Trustee Patrick: at item 6.1 on page 4

[0:44:21] Trustee Patrick: we have the minutes from april 23rd i want to apologize for missing that meeting i was quite

[0:44:26] Trustee Patrick: sick and i would have probably made you sick if i had come so you weren't lucky that i did not

[0:44:30] Trustee Patrick: um so are there any additions or corrections to the minutes on april 23rd go ahead trustee yates

[0:44:36] Trustee Patrick: thank you um on

[0:44:39] Voice 16: page um six of the minutes um under public participation period um i just want

[0:44:51] Voice 16: to clarify that first paragraph um three members of the public spoke in support and when it goes

[0:44:58] Voice 16: noted the positive benefits of i think this could be confusing it should be the positive benefits of

[0:45:09] Voice 16: donating land to the park and the covenant to protect forested areas of the property

[0:45:20] Voice 16: Well,

[0:45:25] Trustee Elliott: it's not a covenant. It's a covenant for multiple

[0:45:29] Voice 16: things, including limiting density.

[0:45:31] Voice 16: So yeah, it's just a bit confusing here. It says, noted the positive benefits of a covenant

[0:45:40] Voice 16: to donate. It does, if not a covenant to donate, it does conflate the two pieces. Anyway, just

[0:45:48] Voice 16: for clarity.

[0:45:49] Voice 16: you can

[0:45:49] Trustee Patrick: just ask stuff to clarify that paragraph do we need to be specific

[0:45:55] Trustee Elliott: maybe just the covenant the proposed covenant and donation of land yep

[0:46:00] Trustee Elliott: of an end yeah thank you very

[0:46:04] Voice 16: much and one more just a little tiny one on page seven of the draft

[0:46:08] Voice 16: units last paragraph under 9.1 staff report second to last bullet it says the

[0:46:20] Voice 16: dwelling unit is set back more than 15 meters it could just say the dwelling

[0:46:25] Voice 16: unit is more than 15 meters from the shoreline because that word set back

[0:46:30] Voice 16: immediately makes you think of the need of setback requirement which is used in

[0:46:40] Voice 16: in the first bullet, which is setback.

[0:46:47] Voice 7: There

[0:46:51] Trustee Patrick: are no further corrections or changes.

[0:46:55] Voice 16: Just a quick question for staff.

[0:46:59] Voice 16: In the draft minutes under new business,

[0:47:04] Voice 16: under the revised MAP-IT to educational webinar,

[0:47:09] Voice 16: it's something that I had asked for.

[0:47:11] Voice 16: for. I don't see it on the follow-up action report. It was just a request to see if we

[0:47:19] Voice 16: could. And I think with that request, when you go to executive committee, see what could

[0:47:24] Voice 16: be done with that, like whether it would be a public thing or just a staff thing or something

[0:47:29] Voice 16: to help us out. There's no resolution. Go ahead, Simon.

[0:47:37] Voice 12: My recollection of that discussion was that your uh the trustees on EC I didn't get it

[0:47:44] they were bringing it over to executive committee but there was no resolution

[0:47:47] Voice 12: for stop any actions

[0:47:53] Trustee Patrick: muster some executive members that you don't have to answer

[0:47:56] Trustee Patrick: you

[0:47:56] Voice 16: know what I will I will send you an email and I'm just thinking that it's such an amazing

[0:48:03] Voice 16: It's an amazing tool, but it would be good to have like a 45-minute little primer or educational.

[0:48:10] Trustee Elliott: Okay, I'll send you an email. Thank you.

[0:48:12] Trustee Elliott: Any

[0:48:12] Trustee Patrick: other questions? If there are no further corrections, can we approve the minutes from April 23rd as amended through general consent?

[0:48:22] Trustee Elliott: Excellent.

[0:48:25] Trustee Patrick: So that brings us to the follow-up action list at item 7.1 on the agenda on page 17.

[0:48:31] Trustee Patrick: Are there any questions of stop or any items of stop that need to bring attention to us?

[0:48:41] Trustee Patrick: Yes.

[0:48:44] Voice 16: Yes, I have two.

[0:48:46] Voice 16: So on page two of the follow-up action list under the date.

[0:49:00] Voice 16: Yeah, the date. No, 20th of November 2020.

[0:49:04] Voice 16: 25 OCP review project forward the model DPA guidelines and DPA prioritization list to the

[0:49:13] Voice 16: Gabriela DPA working group environmental focus group members and APC for their input on DPA

[0:49:21] Voice 16: prioritization is that happening or is that relevant anymore yeah it

[0:49:27] Trustee Elliott: didn't happen and I

[0:49:29] Trustee Elliott: think the challenge is we can figure out exactly who and then over the period of time it felt like

[0:49:36] Trustee Elliott: it wasn't relevant anymore okay and we can receive comments on on what on what's in the ocp so should

[0:49:44] Trustee Elliott: that be removed from the follow-up action list um yeah okay yep

[0:49:51] Voice 16: so

[0:49:53] Trustee Elliott: we'll need a resolution to

[0:49:54] Voice 16: remove it i move that the gabriel alabama class committee request staff to remove item three

[0:50:05] Voice 16: under the 20th november 2025 date of the follow-up action report

[0:50:13] Voice 7: is

[0:50:13] Trustee Patrick: there a second seconded by christie elliott any discussion follow-up all those in favor

[0:50:22] Trustee Patrick: that's carried and removed thank you i have one

[0:50:24] Voice 16: more yep uh on the last page of the follow-up

[0:50:28] Voice 16: action report date 23rd april 2026 um information request about the groundwater license status

[0:50:36] Voice 16: associated with which number uh number six it's in progress it's going to i think i'm sure that

[0:50:46] Voice 16: It says zero percent. Is there any update on that?

[0:50:49] Voice 12: I don't have an update. I can reach out to

[0:50:54] Voice 12: William and see if we follow up in the next meeting.

[0:50:57] Trustee Patrick: Okay, thank you. Any other questions

[0:51:00] Trustee Patrick: on

[0:51:01] Trustee Elliott: the follow-up action list? Trustee Elliott? Yeah, so back up on page 18, the second item under

[0:51:08] Trustee Elliott: January 22nd, and this is about the protocol meeting to be scheduled with the RDN.

[0:51:13] Trustee Elliott: um so seed as we are discussing policy options and approaches to housing specific to aerial islands

[0:51:26] Trustee Elliott: i would add we probably want to add much island as well to the proposed agenda and i just wanted

[0:51:34] Trustee Elliott: to ask if the rpm is around if we have any indication of if that's good confidence here

[0:51:41] Trustee Elliott: before end of term the intention is there but i fear that everything is flat out so

[0:51:48] Trustee Elliott: uh that's sort of the number of topics we wanted to discuss including enforcement probably an

[0:51:57] Trustee Elliott: update on our ocp and potential building bylaw changes i don't know renee can answer it or

[0:52:10] Voice 12: I'll reach out to her and ask her to join

[0:52:12] Trustee Elliott: it's not urgent it's I just didn't want to get it lost

[0:52:20] Trustee Patrick: we could just ask the minutes to note those additions to the agenda to the yeah yeah

[0:52:29] Trustee Patrick: is that sufficient do we need a motion to ask that those items be added to the agenda this

[0:52:33] Trustee Patrick: time it's more about building an agenda in behind yeah

[0:52:36] Voice 12: I think it's okay if it

[0:52:39] Voice 12: Yeah, I didn't think you could just say you're still in the

[0:52:42] Voice 12: minute. So we have to come back in July to ask you about

[0:52:46] Voice 12: resolution.

[0:52:47] Voice 12: Okay. Okay.

[0:52:50] Trustee Elliott: Any of those repeated? Can you repeat those?

[0:52:53] Trustee Elliott: Just to add consideration for the proposed agenda. We have

[0:52:59] Trustee Elliott: already policy options and approach on housing specific to

[0:53:02] Trustee Elliott: keep it all island, adding much islands. And we should probably

[0:53:08] Trustee Elliott: have an update on joint enforcement approaches, because

[0:53:15] Trustee Elliott: there are implications, it matches land use by target view

[0:53:19] Trustee Elliott: is not happening. After the OCP review, we're still I think we

[0:53:28] Trustee Elliott: need some discussion on sort of this whole issue of enforcement

[0:53:33] Trustee Elliott: and a full name of land use by law in this gap of waiting for it to be updated.

[0:53:40] Trustee Elliott: Is that clear?

[0:53:42] Trustee Patrick: Okay, thank you.

[0:53:43] Trustee Patrick: Any other comments on the follow-up?

[0:53:45] Trustee Patrick: Seeing any, we'll carry on then.

[0:53:51] Trustee Patrick: We are now at applications and referrals.

[0:53:58] Trustee Patrick: So our first item is item 9.1.

[0:54:02] Trustee Patrick: um it's a rezoning application on page 22 of the agenda package

[0:54:09] Trustee Patrick: so the

[0:54:15] Voice 12: purpose of this report is to introduce proposed bylaws number 318 and 319 to the local

[0:54:21] Voice 12: trust committee for adoption following approval by the minister of bylaw 318 and executive

[0:54:27] Voice 12: the executive committee approving the full bylaws.

[0:54:29] Voice 12: The bylaws are related to application GV-R

[0:54:34] Voice 12: that 2022.1 for 750s in Canada Alley.

[0:54:38] Voice 12: A public hearing was held on November 20th, 2025

[0:54:41] Voice 12: and the bylaws were given third reading.

[0:54:43] Voice 12: On the 7th of 17, they were approved

[0:54:45] Voice 12: by executive committee and bylaw 318 was approved

[0:54:48] Voice 12: by the minister of municipal affairs and housing

[0:54:50] Voice 12: on April 15th.

[0:54:52] Voice 12: This report also recommends that the LTC authorized

[0:54:55] Voice 12: authorized discharge of two covenants that restrict use of the property and require proof of sewage

[0:55:01] Voice 12: capability prior to extraction of the property. Questions for trustees?

[0:55:10] Trustee Patrick: I guess I always ask if the applicant is here. I guess with an adoption, probably not.

[0:55:16] Trustee Patrick: No, he is here. Hello. Sorry. Anything you wish to add at this point?

[0:55:22] Trustee Patrick: No.

[0:55:22] Trustee Patrick: I don't think you're here to answer questions if there are any. Trustees?

[0:55:25] Voice 16: Thank you for such a thorough staff report, as always, Clare Vaugh, really appreciate that.

[0:55:32] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, I'm just happy we got this to this stage of adoption before summertime.

[0:55:38] Trustee Elliott: There's just an eagerness to get going on it, so I'm fully in support of the recommendations of staff.

[0:55:46] Voice 16: Great, shall we go ahead? Proceed.

[0:55:48] Voice 16: I move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee authorize discharge of Covenant EG-124744 and Covenant EX-009068 registered on title of Lot B, Section 19, Gabriela Island, Nanaimo District Plan VIP-60373, BID-023-005-629-750, Tin Can, Alley, Gabriela Island.

[0:56:14] Voice 16: Is there a second?

[0:56:15] Trustee Patrick: Seconded by Trustee Elliott. Any discussion?

[0:56:18] Trustee Patrick: I'll vote. All those in favor? That carries.

[0:56:22] Trustee Elliott: I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee bylaw number 318, cited as Gabriel's official community plan,

[0:56:29] Trustee Elliott: be moved by law number 166, 1997, amendment number 1, 2024, be adopted.

[0:56:36] Trustee Patrick: Second.

[0:56:37] Trustee Patrick: Seconded by Heidi Trustee Yates. Any discussion?

[0:56:42] Trustee Patrick: I'll call the vote. And all those in favor? That carries.

[0:56:45] Trustee Patrick: I

[0:56:46] Voice 16: move that the Gabriela Allen Local Trust Committee By-law number 319, cited as Gabriela

[0:56:51] Voice 16: Allen Land Use By-law 1999, Amendment number 1, 2024, be adopted.

[0:56:57] Voice 16: Is

[0:56:58] Trustee Patrick: there a second?

[0:56:59] Trustee Patrick: A second by Trustee Elliott.

[0:57:00] Trustee Patrick: Is this good?

[0:57:01] Trustee Patrick: Call the vote.

[0:57:02] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[0:57:03] Trustee Patrick: And that carries.

[0:57:05] Trustee Patrick: Congratulations.

[0:57:06] Trustee Patrick: That's adopted.

[0:57:07] Trustee Patrick: How many years, Kat?

[0:57:13] Trustee Elliott: We look forward to seeing the drafts and things there.

[0:57:17] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[0:57:17] Trustee Patrick: Appreciate it.

[0:57:18] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[0:57:19] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[0:57:20] Trustee Patrick: So moving on then, we're at item 9.2, which is rezoning on Sayward.

[0:57:27] Trustee Patrick: And that is, or Sayward is the applicant, that's staff report on page 50.

[0:57:32] Voice 12: Who

[0:57:33] Trustee Patrick: gets to talk?

[0:57:34] Trustee Patrick: Yes.

[0:57:35] Voice 12: Thanks, Chair. So this application appeared on your agenda, so eventually the state staff report in April, and the LFC referred consideration to this meeting.

[0:57:47] Voice 12: And since that time, the applicant has submitted a revised site plan, showing a slightly modified donation, proposed donation to the park.

[0:57:59] Voice 12: and that's on page 70 of the agenda package.

[0:58:03] Voice 12: Staff have made also some minor amendments

[0:58:05] Voice 12: or adjustments to the recommended resolutions.

[0:58:09] Voice 12: And then just wanted to highlight that the table on pages

[0:58:12] Voice 12: 52 to 53 of the report, or of the agenda,

[0:58:16] Voice 12: summarize the existing regulations for the parcel,

[0:58:19] Voice 12: the applicant's proposal, and the staff recommendation.

[0:58:22] Voice 12: The rationale for the staff recommendations

[0:58:24] Voice 12: are provided in the subsequent pages after that.

[0:58:27] Voice 12: and um and so um in consideration of the proposed covenant the parkland donation that limits to the

[0:58:33] Voice 12: size of the dwelling staff recommending that the bylaw uh be amended uh to permit the three

[0:58:38] Voice 12: existing buildings on the parcel um but uh to not to permit the subdivision that's requested

[0:58:45] Voice 12: by the applicant so that i'll leave it there all right

[0:58:50] Trustee Patrick: thank you now the applicant hello um

[0:58:53] Trustee Patrick: This is your opportunity to speak to us.

[0:58:58] Voice 9: Thanks, Chairman.

[0:58:59] Voice 9: My name is Toby Siebert.

[0:59:00] Voice 9: I'm assisting the property owners with this obligation.

[0:59:04] Voice 9: I'm here with five family members.

[0:59:07] Voice 9: These three, these two over here.

[0:59:09] Voice 9: And this over is the first generation of this family.

[0:59:16] Voice 9: Someone's probably been here for six years.

[0:59:17] Voice 9: The other four are the second generation.

[0:59:19] Voice 9: There's a third and fourth generation now.

[0:59:21] Voice 9: um we want to continue this property this property in the current form um as stephen mentioned uh the

[0:59:29] Voice 9: staff report down on page 50 is uh outlines i'm just going to talk about a few issues there

[0:59:36] Voice 9: and the alternate to that is on page 5960 which uh stephen and i have spent a lot of time talking

[0:59:43] Voice 9: back and forth on this one of the first stations we dealt with from the previous meetings just

[0:59:48] Voice 9: just what Stephen mentioned,

[0:59:49] Voice 9: is to increase the park dedication

[0:59:51] Voice 9: to allow better access to the beach.

[0:59:54] Voice 9: So we proposed a modification to that

[0:59:58] Voice 9: that we would put in a search.

[1:00:00] Voice 9: if that's what is agreed to in this meeting certainly I want to hear the LTC's comments on that

[1:00:08] Voice 9: so as I say since the last meeting on April 23rd we've talked all back and forth considering this

[1:00:15] Voice 9: the difference between the two recommendations and Stephen just thought that up instead of

[1:00:20] Voice 9: one thing we're certainly asking for is not to have the restriction to the eight hectare

[1:00:26] Voice 9: limitation, we would like to proceed with a subdivision, a bare land strata subdivision

[1:00:31] Voice 9: on this file, which would mean smaller lot size of approximately 1.1 hectares in a bare

[1:00:39] Voice 9: land strata subdivision. So that's one of the changes we're requesting from the LTC.

[1:00:47] Voice 9: I spoke about that last meeting. Next one is we also want to follow up with the BC Parks

[1:00:52] Voice 9: because we've had a lot of discussion with BC Parks and GALT to move this file forward.

[1:00:58] Voice 9: They're both very enthusiastic about that, where BC Parks hasn't got a referral as yet.

[1:01:04] Voice 9: Also very important to us is working with the United Person Nations.

[1:01:07] Voice 9: They have referred this file about three years ago.

[1:01:12] Voice 9: They came on-site with the archaeological dig with our archaeologists,

[1:01:17] Voice 9: which was a considerable amount of investigation,

[1:01:20] Voice 9: and certainly we will continue to work with them, very important for many of them.

[1:01:28] I thought both the

[1:01:29] Voice 9: lot size and the part dedication are important to us.

[1:01:34] Voice 9: In the staff recommendation, we're consistent on that.

[1:01:38] Voice 9: Staff was asking for a number of other reports before first reading.

[1:01:42] Voice 9: We're in the process of putting those together to the discussion today at the meeting.

[1:01:47] Voice 9: uh there's we certainly will enter into cost recovery for um covenant preparation and we

[1:01:56] Voice 9: we really want to emphasize the importance that um not only is the part of education which is

[1:02:01] Voice 9: community benefit to get rid of the trespasses occurred for all these years but we're certainly

[1:02:06] Voice 9: in a position where we would covenant for uh a number of things one is that there's three

[1:02:12] Voice 9: existing cabins on the property we would comment that those size of those cabins cannot increase

[1:02:18] Voice 9: in the future say if one burnt down or deteriorated to the point or damaging in an

[1:02:23] Voice 9: earthquake we would rebuild but only within the current size that is is there so size uh our big

[1:02:31] Voice 9: thing is that we would like to see the property remain exactly the same as it is now um and and

[1:02:38] Voice 9: and we would certainly comment for that.

[1:02:39] Voice 9: The second one is accessory buildings that we have.

[1:02:44] Voice 9: There's no restriction on size for accessory buildings now.

[1:02:48] Voice 9: We certainly talk about a restriction

[1:02:50] Voice 9: of 100 square meters for each of the last

[1:02:55] Voice 9: for accessory buildings.

[1:02:56] Voice 9: We don't think we're gonna be anywhere near that,

[1:02:58] Voice 9: but at least Stephen and I have thought back and forth

[1:03:02] Voice 9: on what's a number to put forward in that respect.

[1:03:04] Voice 9: And the third one is very important too.

[1:03:06] Voice 9: I believe that the community and ourselves as Free Preservation, Vegetation Preservation

[1:03:11] Voice 9: are coming along that will keep the trees in the current on-site that they remain there

[1:03:21] Voice 9: indefinitely.

[1:03:23] Voice 9: There's a huge buffer between the road and the cabins and we certainly see those remain.

[1:03:30] Voice 9: There has been discussion about the well, do we drill a third well, there's two wells

[1:03:35] Voice 9: right now with the three cabins did we drill a third well and we'll certainly have that continue

[1:03:40] Voice 9: to have that discussion we we would do it now that's what's wanted or we do it later and what

[1:03:45] Voice 9: our suggestion would be is provided uh the LCC uh approves it moving forward with this but next

[1:03:51] Voice 9: year we're going to apply to the uh MOTT for a subdivision a very much strata subdivision and

[1:03:58] Voice 9: they will review well drilling and grading fields as part of the recommendation and so what uh we

[1:04:05] Voice 9: we put in our alternative proposal is that the wells

[1:04:11] Voice 9: would be dealt with at a sufficient stage in the future.

[1:04:15] Voice 9: The rest of the recommendations is we're certainly

[1:04:19] Voice 9: agreeing to that and we would like to wish to confirm

[1:04:25] Voice 9: a very important point to us is that they own

[1:04:27] Voice 9: seven new development plans.

[1:04:29] Voice 9: They have, they wish that the property

[1:04:31] Voice 9: or maintenance current form in perpetuity

[1:04:33] Voice 9: as it has for the last 36 years.

[1:04:36] Voice 9: And we've worked very successfully with staff's degree.

[1:04:40] Voice 9: We've seen them to move the spot forward

[1:04:43] Voice 9: and we look forward to continue to work with the LTC

[1:04:46] Voice 9: and staff on the next steps and feedback from the LTC.

[1:04:51] Voice 9: So that's all I have.

[1:04:53] Voice 9: Certainly other family members

[1:04:55] Voice 9: may want to speak briefly,

[1:04:56] Voice 9: but certainly appreciate the opportunity to speak

[1:04:58] Voice 9: and to move the spot forward.

[1:05:00] Voice 9: Thank you very much.

[1:05:04] Trustee Elliott: the family members anyone wish to say anything about that please thank

[1:05:08] Voice 14: you very briefly um just

[1:05:09] Voice 14: just let me assure you that would be reasonable so we remember when we uh

[1:05:16] Voice 14: property and the park really opened for a year and you couldn't drive it was a walk-in park

[1:05:22] Voice 14: and we experienced the same dust issue i could tell you it was a it was a it was a very quiet

[1:05:29] Voice 14: place back then, and obviously the parks that come with it were heavily used. Our advocation

[1:05:35] Voice 14: as Phil described is predicated around the preservation and protection of the current lot,

[1:05:40] Voice 14: not on caving things. So this isn't, when we heard the comments from the attendees about

[1:05:45] Voice 14: caving stalkers, you know, this isn't an advocacy little shopping center where there's

[1:05:52] Voice 14: amenities being put in by the developer. This is the absolute opposite. This is maintaining the

[1:05:57] Voice 14: the rural nature and the current state of the property.

[1:06:02] Voice 14: So the concept of painting is 100% counter to our mindset

[1:06:07] Voice 14: around what we're asking for here.

[1:06:11] Voice 14: As a public road, it seems for the governing body

[1:06:15] Voice 14: who oversees our roads to decide whether to pave it.

[1:06:17] Voice 14: Our cars get as just as dusty as everyone else's do

[1:06:20] Voice 14: on that sketch of road.

[1:06:23] Voice 14: But we don't plan to be paving anywhere on our property and we hadn't contemplated the idea of we have to be paving nearby roads as part of our application.

[1:06:36] Voice 14: So we just wanted to emphasize that. The trespass is a big issue and it goes on daily, if not hourly,

[1:06:45] Voice 14: to go westbound to the parking area or whether you're going to go down to the public access

[1:06:53] Voice 14: back up to Stalker Road. We think that this movement of the boundary addresses the issue

[1:07:00] Voice 14: that Trustee Yates, you raised with us last month in the meeting, and we'll ensure that

[1:07:06] Voice 14: people can get all the way down to the beach in that route that's identified without any

[1:07:14] Voice 14: So we think we've addressed that, it's about a 3% increase in the dedication on that.

[1:07:21] Voice 14: And we're very serious about maintaining this.

[1:07:25] Voice 14: We have been doing this for nine years since we met with the planner of the day and you

[1:07:31] Voice 14: heard from me last time to speak about we did get a roadmap and we've been trying to

[1:07:34] Voice 14: follow that in terms of things that we need to do to position us to be in the public interest.

[1:07:39] Voice 14: And we, yes, we do need our own, we want our own title and be able to rebuild if there's a loss from a fire, for example, but we've looked at this through the lens of this needs to be in the public in best interest in order to be approved.

[1:07:57] Voice 14: And so the park vindication, the covenant with the trees and the forest, the making sure that there's no increase in density,

[1:08:05] Voice 14: but the footprint of buildings, you know, they expanded. All these elements are to show that, you know, our actions are going to back up our words, in addition to our 56 years of our use of the property.

[1:08:23] Voice 14: So, yeah, I'm happy to answer any questions.

[1:08:26] Voice 14: There are other members here who may wish to speak, but if you have any issues.

[1:08:30] Voice 14: thank

[1:08:30] Trustee Patrick: you any other family members that want to speak this time sorry well we're going to

[1:08:36] Trustee Patrick: have some conversation here we may have questions for you we may have questions from staff and so

[1:08:41] Trustee Patrick: opening up to the trustees

[1:08:46] Voice 7: wants

[1:08:47] Trustee Elliott: to start with questions go ahead trustee yates i see you're prepared oh yeah all my notes

[1:08:55] Voice 16: first of all

[1:08:57] Voice 16: I really

[1:08:59] Voice 16: honored the dedication

[1:09:01] Voice 16: that you have put into this

[1:09:03] Voice 16: nine years and I really

[1:09:05] Voice 16: honored the

[1:09:07] Voice 16: care that you've put into that

[1:09:09] Voice 16: program

[1:09:09] Voice 16: and so for me

[1:09:12] Voice 16: the most important thing of this

[1:09:15] Voice 16: whole application and I'm

[1:09:17] Voice 16: so grateful for Planner Bow

[1:09:19] Voice 16: your work on it and the table

[1:09:21] Voice 16: that shows us what we need to work

[1:09:23] Voice 16: with here the most important thing for me is for the public the covenant and for the ecology of the

[1:09:32] Voice 16: island the covenant that is really important it's very detailed it's very restrictive you've

[1:09:38] Voice 16: obviously agreed to that the next most important thing for me representing the public is the

[1:09:45] Voice 16: dedication to the park so that people are able to get down to the foreshore without first of all

[1:09:51] Voice 16: trespassing and also a safer access although i don't think this will stop the trespassing

[1:09:57] Voice 16: because i've seen it myself when i've been near your property and it's like

[1:10:02] Voice 16: the thing that will help is if working with bc park you might be able to construct a fence

[1:10:10] Voice 16: with some shrubbery that grows there really well like also berry and snowberry and wild rose

[1:10:19] Voice 16: instead of a room. That in 10 years time will give you the privacy that you need. So if it's not

[1:10:27] Voice 16: obvious, I am in favor of this second edition or rendition of your application. And I'm really

[1:10:37] Voice 16: grateful that you have been able to work with David Parks, you have been able to work with Galt,

[1:10:42] Voice 16: and our staff have been so helpful in giving us these comprehensive staff reports,

[1:10:50] Voice 16: which really helped for me to make my decision.

[1:10:53] Voice 16: So my preference would be to proceed with the application as requested by the applicant,

[1:11:02] Voice 16: That is your bare land strata, but conditional on the staff recommendations on page 10 of the staff report.

[1:11:12] Voice 16: But before we get into any motions or anything like that, I just want to say how beautiful that area is.

[1:11:24] Voice 16: And the Gary Oak ecosystem that is there is so important to preserve.

[1:11:30] Voice 16: It's so rare and it's so endangered.

[1:11:36] Voice 16: So I think, I mean, looking over this covenant, it is so tight.

[1:11:40] Voice 16: I am just, I'm so grateful for Senator Bell for working on that,

[1:11:46] Voice 16: that Section 219 covenant.

[1:11:48] Voice 16: It's, yeah, for the environment, it's that covenant.

[1:11:53] Voice 16: For the public, it's the access to, it's the addition to the park,

[1:11:58] Voice 16: which is really important.

[1:12:00] Voice 16: I would love to talk to the people in the audience about paving

[1:12:05] Voice 16: Stalker Road. I have some good ideas about that. I'm working with Gabriel Transportation Society

[1:12:12] Voice 16: apart from this application. I can see why you know we go we look for amenities for our community

[1:12:19] Voice 16: when we look at applications like this but this particular application is really about

[1:12:28] Voice 16: preserving the environment. I

[1:12:31] Voice 16: really appreciate that. That road? Yeah, it needs to be paved and

[1:12:38] Voice 16: we can look at that in another group on the island. So I'll get to my comments for now. Trustee Elliott?

[1:12:45] Voice 16: it? Surprising.

[1:12:50] Trustee Elliott: No, I've gone back and forth about this. Because there are implications of

[1:13:00] Trustee Elliott: bare land strata subdivision that we can't predict, right? The intentions of your family,

[1:13:06] Trustee Elliott: multiple families are very clearly stated. And we hear the coherence in your planning and how

[1:13:15] Trustee Elliott: how you've worked together on this for a long time um i guess my my i haven't made up my mind

[1:13:23] Trustee Elliott: it's really this is a really tough um decision because it if if we go the direction that you're

[1:13:34] Trustee Elliott: asking which is bare land strata subdivision um it is going away from it's moving away from both

[1:13:41] Trustee Elliott: the current OCP's guidance and the direction of our potential future OCP.

[1:13:48] Trustee Elliott: The direction that we've been going in which is to recognize that subdivision

[1:13:52] Trustee Elliott: carves up the land as an infrastructure and usually, not in this case, creates

[1:14:00] Trustee Elliott: it's for a for-profit endeavor. Now I did say at the previous meeting that those

[1:14:08] Trustee Elliott: Those issues are somewhat mitigated, and I say somewhat because we don't want to have this in the future, but mitigated by this really extensive covenant and the protection of the environment and the mature forest.

[1:14:22] Trustee Elliott: And the easement and donation of land is really, really important.

[1:14:28] Trustee Elliott: And that's the most salient argument, I think, for subdivision, that you're putting all these protections in place.

[1:14:37] Trustee Elliott: subdivision is not the appropriate tool to protect the land the covenant it's you know the the the

[1:14:45] Trustee Elliott: way that your families work together so so i made that argument last um last time because trying to

[1:14:52] Trustee Elliott: figure out what is the the best path for this piece of land and for your families it is challenging i

[1:15:00] Trustee Elliott: I guess where I get into what ifs in the future is if, you know, if it is subdivided and then

[1:15:10] Trustee Elliott: you have the ability to sell and different people buy the land, it's, we do then have

[1:15:19] Trustee Elliott: have three small lots with you know contiguous ecological and archaeological

[1:15:30] Trustee Elliott: matters in relationship but they would be treated separately so I get to the cultural heritage part

[1:15:40] Trustee Elliott: of the report the delineation of sites was not completed or not well defined in some areas as a

[1:15:46] Trustee Elliott: result it's recommended that ground altering activity be reviewed by a qualified archaeologist

[1:15:50] Trustee Elliott: to determine the appropriate level of work required i'm not saying nothing is inappropriate

[1:15:55] Trustee Elliott: what's been done you've been totally pursuing the right path with getting cinema and field

[1:16:03] Trustee Elliott: archaeologists on site it's just the will a subdivided lot create more fragmented and

[1:16:17] Trustee Elliott: um the different treatments of the land in a very small area and that's a lot of sensitive

[1:16:25] Trustee Elliott: multiple values so i'm still struggling a bit to be honest um so so on the one hand we have

[1:16:40] Trustee Elliott: um you know a robust covenant and a lot of good pre-work that's done the trees will be protected

[1:16:51] Trustee Elliott: there's limits on how much infrastructure can be put in, and did you say that you would

[1:16:57] Trustee Elliott: accept a total limit on the size of the house, restricting the floor area of each dwelling

[1:17:04] Trustee Elliott: to the current floor area, not the proposed 20% addition?

[1:17:12] Trustee Elliott: So that's on page 54.

[1:17:17] Trustee Elliott: We proposed restricting floor area to existing floor area plus an addition of 20%.

[1:17:23] Trustee Elliott: If the staff recommendation for rezoning is followed, it would be restricted to the current footprint.

[1:17:32] Trustee Elliott: And no more? Is that fair?

[1:17:34] Trustee Elliott: HAB-Jacques Juilland- It's

[1:17:34] Trustee Elliott: HAB-Jacques Juilland- Through

[1:17:36] Voice 12: the jurors to clarify the application that

[1:17:40] Voice 12: HAB-Jacques Juilland- Requested that the dwellings be limited in footprint to the existing plus 20% and then the staff recommendation is is

[1:17:49] Voice 12: HAB-Jacques Juilland- Relatively consistent with that request.

[1:17:54] Voice 12: But it's around metric number, so it's a little different, but that is, that's what was requested

[1:18:02] Voice 12: in the application.

[1:18:03] Voice 12: But I did hear the applicant's name, maybe he made a change to that, but that maybe is

[1:18:11] Voice 12: their decision.

[1:18:12] Voice 12: Yeah.

[1:18:13] Trustee Elliott: Is that what you were saying, that you wouldn't request the additional 20%, but limit it to

[1:18:22] Trustee Elliott: the top just the footprint of the buildings certainly in response

[1:18:27] Voice 9: to trustee elliott um

[1:18:29] Voice 9: we've had that discussion back and forth with staff the only reason we put on that additional

[1:18:33] Voice 9: 20 percent is that if there's some uh in a case of a fire if there's some uh need to slightly

[1:18:40] Voice 9: increase the footprint we would it's certainly not our intention that um we're going to do all

[1:18:45] Voice 9: the trying to go larger but what i've told just even about is that uh i believe steven's put a

[1:18:50] Voice 9: square footage uh maximum in there which uh we we would certainly agree

[1:19:06] Trustee Elliott: yeah i'm just yeah thank you for that it's yeah i have so much context to this one

[1:19:18] Trustee Elliott: i

[1:19:18] Voice 16: wouldn't mind commenting now on what you've mentioned too i i very seriously considered the

[1:19:24] Voice 16: fact that this is not an area where we would be looking for something ever not in the old ocp

[1:19:31] Voice 16: and not in the new OCP.

[1:19:33] Voice 16: However, this is quite different.

[1:19:36] Voice 16: If you look at where the property lines are,

[1:19:39] Voice 16: where the buildings are,

[1:19:42] Voice 16: it's as all it's really going to do,

[1:19:44] Voice 16: it isn't going to make any difference as far as,

[1:19:47] Voice 16: I don't think it'll make any difference

[1:19:50] Voice 16: as far as what will happen to that land in the future.

[1:19:53] Voice 16: I don't see that anything worse or better happening.

[1:19:57] Voice 16: What it will do is it gives you the ability

[1:20:01] Voice 16: as three separate families to deal with those properties

[1:20:05] Voice 16: as you need to going forward.

[1:20:08] Voice 16: And I understand that.

[1:20:11] Voice 16: You're still tied.

[1:20:13] Voice 16: Every landowner on that property is still tied to this covenant.

[1:20:17] Voice 16: And that's the most important thing.

[1:20:21] Voice 14: So, Chair.

[1:20:23] Voice 14: Did you have some last words?

[1:20:24] Voice 14: I just wanted to address Trustee Ailey's concern around the bare land strata issue.

[1:20:30] Voice 7: and

[1:20:30] Voice 14: what I would say is that the interest you raise is protected by a number of things.

[1:20:38] Voice 14: A, the restriction on the ability to expand the footprint of the building.

[1:20:42] Voice 14: Second, the trees will be remaining. We are in a setback zone of course because we're on the water,

[1:20:49] Voice 14: so there's a significant setback. You cannot do anything within that area of course

[1:20:54] Voice 14: and we're subject to a very stringent archaeological requirement should anyone need to do

[1:20:59] Voice 7: and

[1:20:59] Voice 14: you have to replace the telephone pole. The purpose of this strategy

[1:21:05] Voice 14: is that what Trustee Gates talked about, and people having the ability to bequeath

[1:21:10] Voice 14: an interest to the next generation. In other words, you are an appropriate structure,

[1:21:14] Voice 14: much like Warrior Island, where people have shares and they have an interest or share interest

[1:21:23] Voice 14: interest in the total piece of a total lot.

[1:21:26] Voice 14: Well, you guys accountability, you have your own PC,

[1:21:29] Voice 14: that is accountability over anything.

[1:21:32] Voice 14: The other purpose of the Maryland strata

[1:21:34] Voice 14: is for shared services.

[1:21:35] Voice 14: So rather than everyone having their own,

[1:21:37] Voice 14: you know, utility services, et cetera,

[1:21:41] Voice 14: in a strata, you share those services

[1:21:44] Voice 14: and you don't have to replicate things.

[1:21:46] Voice 14: So we're all on the same,

[1:21:49] Voice 14: our own is and any replacement for the subject system

[1:21:52] Voice 14: will be shared.

[1:21:53] Voice 14: And so you're not replicating each, each, each floor isn't going to have their own set

[1:21:58] Voice 14: of infrastructure.

[1:21:59] Voice 14: It really is to try to minimize the footprint on the top.

[1:22:04] Voice 14: So I would submit to you that there are a significant number of restrictions that would

[1:22:12] Voice 14: address the concern that was expressed about there's an open door to development.

[1:22:18] Voice 14: We've actually, we're winding the future over here with these covenants.

[1:22:22] Voice 14: we take them very seriously and um we try to click them line them up so that the concern

[1:22:29] Voice 14: that raises address is i know when we think if we think of strata we think of townhouse complexes

[1:22:35] Voice 14: right we're really going to share the parking you share the garden but this is really the only one

[1:22:41] Voice 14: that works because we have a panhandle driver we must share we're not allowed to have our own

[1:22:46] Voice 14: independent law because we don't have our own there's not enough room between the provincial

[1:22:51] Voice 14: a park and our neighbors, for each of us to have a driveway. So we have to share the driveway,

[1:22:57] Voice 14: right? And we'll share other areas that are, as we do now. It's just that you'll own your own,

[1:23:05] Voice 14: you know, right now we all commonly own this piece of property and it's

[1:23:09] Voice 14: crazy. What would one family do if their cottage burned down and the other two

[1:23:14] Voice 14: still have theirs, right? You just imagine a mess. So this is really, we've, the last almost decade,

[1:23:23] Voice 14: been putting our mind to the to what is the best solution here and we landed on this but one has

[1:23:29] Voice 14: to turn their mind away from what we think of strategy multi a multi-dwelling housing complex

[1:23:36] Voice 14: this is nothing of the kind it's a non-developed application it's really a preservation of the

[1:23:41] Voice 14: current structures but it is you know we do believe it's the right one and it's the one

[1:23:46] Voice 14: it's easiest for the families to manage the registrar corporation but everyone will have

[1:23:53] Voice 14: their own title and if people need to take a bank loan against their interest in their land easily

[1:24:02] Voice 14: or if they need to sell it or repeat it to somebody to their children it's much easier

[1:24:07] Voice 14: than if we're into a share ownership model so anyway i'll leave it there

[1:24:12] Voice 16: that's an important

[1:24:15] Voice 16: consideration and certainly we encourage shared driveways wherever we possibly can

[1:24:20] Voice 16: and so i wish we could do that more often is have one driveway for multiple properties

[1:24:27] Voice 16: less infrastructure and um and i think i too i really appreciate the fact that you have been

[1:24:34] Voice 16: working with planners 49 years certainly with planner zupanet on this and um and the fact that

[1:24:41] Voice 16: you've done early referrals to study the First Nation and we have the archaeological and cultural

[1:24:47] Voice 16: heritage information in front of us. Yeah, I mean I'm really pleased with all of the work that you

[1:24:55] Voice 16: have put into this. It's a lot of work.

[1:25:00] Trustee Elliott: Go ahead. Yeah, so I guess I am just hesitating because I

[1:25:08] Trustee Elliott: I recognized all those points that you just made last month, with the exception of what you raised against being able to borrow on your own title. That makes a lot of sense.

[1:25:19] Trustee Elliott: My concern was, if a lot, if it's subdivided and a lot is sold and somebody buys it without the same values, trespass of covenant does happen, right?

[1:25:32] Trustee Elliott: It's on title, but we're the secure retort for that.

[1:25:40] Trustee Elliott: And so I guess an added assurance would be that your families are all vested in this single property to make sure that the covenant's upheld.

[1:25:49] Trustee Elliott: So that, to me, is an extra security.

[1:25:53] Trustee Elliott: But I think we've taken this conversation as far as we can go.

[1:25:57] Trustee Elliott: we need to um i do want to honor the family's requests and also can the ltc make a statement

[1:26:09] Trustee Elliott: about you know that this is a rare case where subdivision is not contemplated or is contemplated

[1:26:17] Trustee Elliott: because it's an exception to the principle of keeping parcels large and and or you know some

[1:26:30] Trustee Elliott: some reason why we're going against that OCP policy because I don't want to set a precedent

[1:26:35] Trustee Elliott: that it won't well I mean you can't with all the terms of this specific application it's very

[1:26:43] Trustee Elliott: specific but as you've said the protection that we are looking for is through the covenant it's

[1:26:53] Trustee Elliott: not going to be achieved either through rezoning or the bare lot strata subdivision

[1:26:59] Voice 16: well I think

[1:27:01] Voice 16: that we've made our comments about just the the current ocp and about the future draft ocp

[1:27:11] Voice 16: that we are pretty clear that this is not a part of the island that we would ever look

[1:27:16] Voice 16: for subdivision but this is quite a different case and there are other protections that are

[1:27:24] Voice 16: part of this application that work in they work to the benefit of the community and to the benefit

[1:27:32] Voice 16: And it's not often that you can, well not, I shouldn't say not often, you

[1:27:39] Voice 16: want a win-win

[1:27:40] Voice 16: situation when you're looking at something that I consider a type of amenity zoning.

[1:27:46] Voice 16: And in this case, there's actually four parties involved.

[1:27:49] Voice 16: There's the public, there's the applicant, there's Galt, who made a comment, and there's

[1:27:55] Voice 16: BC Parks, who will

[1:27:57] Voice 16: probably be working.

[1:28:01] Voice 16: yeah yeah so i have a suggestion does

[1:28:04] Trustee Elliott: the chair want to know

[1:28:05] Trustee Elliott: i agree it's

[1:28:13] Trustee Patrick: rare and i think it but it is not impossible that it could happen again

[1:28:17] Trustee Patrick: and i think in some ways you are setting um a signal to any other larger properties that

[1:28:25] Trustee Patrick: may be in similar situations where they have multiple families involved in the in the title

[1:28:30] Trustee Patrick: ownership and um and i think we're seeing all kinds of cases of you know old held properties

[1:28:38] Trustee Patrick: that are coming up you know slowly on all of our islands so i think the essence of this is it's

[1:28:44] Trustee Patrick: holding uh you know the environment and setting a high bar as as the expectations for protecting it

[1:28:52] Trustee Patrick: into the future i think the internet will still be referred it goes out for full referral and you're

[1:28:58] Trustee Patrick: rezoning correct everything including the covenants so i think that's um uh you know

[1:29:03] Trustee Patrick: the it'll be interesting to see the comments back um um i think covenants in some ways are old tools

[1:29:11] Trustee Patrick: and and um you know are there opportunities to i think i think it's all been maximized from

[1:29:18] Trustee Patrick: our perspective our knowledge our laws on protecting into the future and it'll be

[1:29:24] Trustee Patrick: interesting to see you know are there other aspects of the covenant that they may have

[1:29:30] Trustee Patrick: interest in so i think that that would be um next steps that i'd be interested in seeing so

[1:29:39] Trustee Patrick: you know i i think like so this is it becomes almost a test case if you think of it that way

[1:29:45] Trustee Patrick: as we look at other properties in the islands as to how we're addressing them um because as

[1:29:51] Trustee Patrick: We have our OCPs, which that is our community, but we also have process in which we approach situations like this.

[1:30:00] Trustee Patrick: this across islands. So, you know, that's where I kind of look to staff to make these test case, you know, how do we share these across the other islands, because these cases might be rare in this island, but when you look at the entire crust area, it starts to become, you know, more of a possibility. So

[1:30:18] Trustee Patrick: Can

[1:30:18] Voice 14: I address that? I know it's a live one for the trustees. We actually view this as

[1:30:25] Voice 14: completely opposite. It's a one-off. Because if someone wants to step up and donate part

[1:30:30] Voice 14: of their land to a neighboring park,

[1:30:32] Voice 7: and

[1:30:32] Voice 14: wants to put all their trees in a covenant, and

[1:30:35] Voice 14: wants to limit their density and limit their expansion, and then go backwards to preserve

[1:30:43] Voice 14: their land. I would say they can line up over here

[1:30:46] Voice 7: because

[1:30:47] Voice 14: that would be exactly what I'm

[1:30:51] Voice 14: sure this would be within the Maggie Mellis Trust. I would suggest that this is not going

[1:30:57] Voice 14: to happen again. I think it's a very rare, one-off, unique application. It would be easy

[1:31:05] Voice 14: to distinguish. If someone tried to come forward and use this as a precedent, you easily would

[1:31:10] Voice 14: of the state and say, those people

[1:31:12] Voice 14: donated part to drug debt

[1:31:14] Voice 14: and we're having people march across their land

[1:31:16] Voice 14: every day and we fixed all that

[1:31:18] Voice 14: and they're preserving their trees

[1:31:20] Voice 14: and people, it was stubbornly in their tracks

[1:31:22] Voice 14: who tried to, I think,

[1:31:24] Voice 14: finesse it on the backs of this decision.

[1:31:27] Voice 14: So I think you're safe on that

[1:31:28] Voice 14: in my respectful view.

[1:31:31] Voice 14: I really think

[1:31:32] Voice 14: this is distinguishable in so many different ways

[1:31:34] Voice 14: and I can't imagine anyone

[1:31:37] Voice 14: willing to do what we're willing to do.

[1:31:40] Voice 14: So I would say, again, I would be shocked to see anyone try to replicate this.

[1:31:46] Trustee Patrick: I was seeing that as a good example to encourage replication is how I was looking at this,

[1:31:53] Trustee Patrick: not to say discourage, but we have a number of families that are facing similar questions.

[1:32:00] Trustee Patrick: And I think this is setting a high bar, something to be shared through our sort of stock processes

[1:32:08] Trustee Patrick: Yeah,

[1:32:09] Trustee Elliott: and I think the point I was trying to make is that if we're setting aside policy, you know, our OCP that, you know, was encoded through the communities, which is 25, six, seven years ago, and we are contemplating an OCP that, you know, makes subdivision incredibly, well, almost impossible, but contemplating that's up for the public now to tell us their thoughts on that.

[1:32:33] Trustee Elliott: this could set out the value set in which any future LTC can filter any future potential

[1:32:46] Trustee Elliott: requests right so the policy states you know we keep parcels large eight hectares minimum parcel

[1:32:52] Trustee Elliott: size two hectares to support the retention of large land holdings and protect significant

[1:32:59] Trustee Elliott: environmental features, archaeological sites, forested areas.

[1:33:03] Trustee Elliott: Those three things, those values are protected through the covenant, right?

[1:33:09] Trustee Elliott: That's what the policy is trying to achieve.

[1:33:12] Trustee Elliott: And so you deliver that through the different mechanism.

[1:33:14] Trustee Elliott: It doesn't mean we have to adhere to the policy.

[1:33:17] Trustee Elliott: The policy sets out, here's what we want.

[1:33:20] Trustee Elliott: Here's the objective.

[1:33:21] Trustee Elliott: If the objective is met through the covenant and the shared values in the strata driveway

[1:33:26] Trustee Elliott: not putting an additional number structure in then it in my view meets the objective of that

[1:33:32] Trustee Elliott: policy 5.1a

[1:33:35] Voice 7: of

[1:33:36] Trustee Elliott: average parcel size so i'm okay setting that aside for a greater

[1:33:41] Trustee Elliott: you know purpose of meeting those objectives what the community actually wants um so i wasn't i

[1:33:48] Trustee Elliott: I wasn't wanting to quibble with a policy if we can achieve it through a different instrument,

[1:33:59] Trustee Elliott: you know, a more appropriate instrument, actually.

[1:34:02] Trustee Elliott: So I'm actually satisfied.

[1:34:04] Trustee Elliott: I think staff are giving us the advice that they have to give, which is, you know, this

[1:34:09] Trustee Elliott: is what the policy states.

[1:34:10] Trustee Elliott: And then the LTC makes this decision taking in that professional and trying to work with

[1:34:20] Trustee Elliott: this complex issue.

[1:34:22] Trustee Elliott: Anyway, I'm satisfied.

[1:34:24] Trustee Elliott: If you're on side with the subdivision, which I didn't know was going to happen, this is

[1:34:31] Trustee Elliott: why we have these conversations in front of the public because we don't know how it's

[1:34:37] Trustee Elliott: going to go.

[1:34:37] Trustee Elliott: And you bring up really good points, Trustee Yates.

[1:34:40] Trustee Elliott: And I'm glad you asked for that extra bench access to the water.

[1:34:45] Trustee Elliott: You've been able to accommodate that, so thank you very much.

[1:34:51] Trustee Elliott: And

[1:34:51] Voice 16: I should note here, too, that being a longtime follower of the Islands Trust on all the islands, not just at Gabriel,

[1:34:59] Voice 16: I've seen a lot of amenity zonings over the years.

[1:35:03] Voice 16: This is one of the better ones.

[1:35:06] Voice 7: So

[1:35:06] Voice 16: I'm prepared to make a motion.

[1:35:09] Voice 16: Okay.

[1:35:10] Voice 16: I move that the Gabriel Allen Local Trust Committee proceeds with this application as requested by the applicant, conditional on the following staff recommendations, which are on page 10 of the staff report.

[1:35:32] Voice 16: Oops, just a second.

[1:35:33] Voice 16: Yeah, is that right?

[1:35:34] Voice 12: I don't know but if you're looking to go with them there is resolutions listed on page 10 and

[1:35:42] Voice 12: then those would be giving the staff direction to proceed with the application as well as

[1:35:48] Voice 12: uh in an earlier referral uh request information from the applicant yeah

[1:35:53] Voice 16: uh

[1:35:54] Voice 12: okay okay

[1:35:55] Voice 16: okay so you

[1:35:56] Voice 16: don't know that okay I move that the Gabriel Island local trust committee request uh to draft

[1:36:02] Voice 16: bylaws consistent with the application received by the applicant for application pl rz 2025-0138

[1:36:15] Voice 16: is there a second you just

[1:36:18] Trustee Patrick: check for a second

[1:36:19] Trustee Patrick: there's

[1:36:19] Voice 12: one item that came up earlier about the accessory building size and i just want to make

[1:36:31] Voice 12: sure that the bylaws that we return to the ltc with is what you would like to see both in terms

[1:36:36] Voice 12: of the dwelling size and the accessory buildings um so if it's exactly what is in that table that

[1:36:44] Voice 12: you're looking to see in the draft bylaws and in the middle column there then that's that's the

[1:36:48] Voice 12: appropriate motion if there's any variation to that then uh just specify yeah i'm finding what's

[1:36:57] Trustee Elliott: in the table. Yeah. Well, so yeah, so the accessory building section on page 52,

[1:37:07] Trustee Elliott: allowing me to take in the total of that, but then eliminating the total floor area of all

[1:37:13] Trustee Elliott: accessory buildings to each square. Sorry, can you just remind me of what that condition

[1:37:26] Trustee Elliott: It's not seen an analysis of this limiting. Yeah, yes. You know, okay. Well, no, if

[1:37:37] Trustee Elliott: you're going with the applicant proposal into this, but if instead of suggesting that

[1:37:43] Trustee Elliott: The building is 200 meters squared. That's what Leonard was asking.

[1:37:51] Trustee Elliott: go ahead

[1:37:52] Voice 12: this was

[1:37:57] Voice 12: something that the applicant

[1:37:59] Voice 12: had raised if you're okay with the

[1:38:00] Voice 12: exactly what is stated

[1:38:03] Voice 12: in that table then that's okay

[1:38:05] Voice 12: the staff recommendation is really

[1:38:07] Voice 12: relates to the

[1:38:08] Voice 12: recommendation on the first page of the report

[1:38:11] Voice 12: so you can if you're going

[1:38:13] Voice 12: with the alternative that's fine

[1:38:14] Voice 12: just I know

[1:38:17] Voice 12: that the applicant had raised this and

[1:38:18] Voice 12: you had also had a discussion about

[1:38:20] Voice 12: the size of the dwellings and so those are just things I wanted to confirm so

[1:38:25] Voice 12: that we come back with what you're looking for yeah

[1:38:30] Trustee Elliott: so yeah so the floor

[1:38:36] Trustee Elliott: area for the dwellings the applicant proposed the additional 20% so 2238

[1:38:45] Trustee Elliott: feet and then restricting the floor area to 2260 square feet actually gives them

[1:38:52] Trustee Elliott: a little bit more we don't want to limit to the exact footprint just in case that's if they have

[1:39:00] Trustee Elliott: to do something like required to do 20

[1:39:03] Trustee Elliott: necessary 22 it's actually less than what snapper proposing

[1:39:12] Trustee Elliott: a tiny bit yeah 2239 yeah and then one additional building oh so it's just accessory building one

[1:39:23] Trustee Elliott: additional building was proposed to be remind me that again because they

[1:39:28] Voice 16: already have several

[1:39:30] Voice 16: picks that should go through right so they may need one more yeah sorry

[1:39:36] Voice 15: i can speak to that

[1:39:37] Voice 15: that

[1:39:37] Voice 16: would be helpful

[1:39:38] Voice 15: so i'm from the cookson richardson family and the other the other two

[1:39:47] Voice 15: families have um they have outbuildings we do not and

[1:39:54] Voice 15: i would really i'm an artist

[1:39:57] Voice 15: and i would personally like to have a studio or potentially a workshop

[1:40:03] Voice 15: so it was just it was just to have something that was equivalent to what the other families had

[1:40:09] Voice 15: and something you know something modest and just an opportunity to to have a workshop really

[1:40:21] Voice 3: Yeah,

[1:40:22] Trustee Elliott: now I'm a bit confused.

[1:40:23] Trustee Elliott: Oh, sorry.

[1:40:24] Trustee Elliott: No, it's okay.

[1:40:25] Trustee Elliott: No, not you.

[1:40:26] Trustee Elliott: Not you at all.

[1:40:28] Voice 15: It's been a very confusing process from day one.

[1:40:32] Trustee Elliott: ... remade buildings and limit the floor area.

[1:40:34] Trustee Elliott: So staff's original recommendation was to permit three buildings with three-floor area.

[1:40:39] Trustee Elliott: That's plus the 20% in case of rebuilding, and to limit the floor area of accessory buildings

[1:40:48] Trustee Elliott: 200 meters squared and that but the applicant was proposing to keep it the total of the existing

[1:40:56] Trustee Elliott: accessory dwelling plus one additional building but without a limit of total area of the footage

[1:41:03] Trustee Elliott: so that's kind of the question right now is what's um the difference between the two do you have a

[1:41:13] Voice 16: suggestion regarding the total area for a possible one more accessory building uh

[1:41:19] Voice 12: so through the

[1:41:20] Voice 12: chair you could uh just limit the floor area to some amount per lot um or you could be similar

[1:41:27] Voice 12: to your other your other residential homes on gabriela uh don't let a floor area of accessory

[1:41:32] Voice 12: buildings but they they limit uh the number of accessory buildings so those could be maybe two

[1:41:38] Voice 12: options for you to think about the that recommendation of 100 acres squared really

[1:41:44] Voice 12: specifically to count the existing accessory buildings in their floor area and i think it

[1:41:49] Voice 12: added some you know nominal amount uh more to me just allow the flexibility in terms of if you

[1:41:55] Voice 12: remove one accessory building you can rebuild another one

[1:41:58] Trustee Patrick: i'm going to call now it looked like

[1:42:00] Trustee Patrick: that's if you go ahead yes thank

[1:42:02] Voice 9: you i'll just further i'm seeing this weekend that

[1:42:04] Voice 9: wesleyan and i felt that important this because there is no size limitation on accessory buildings

[1:42:09] and his point of view back to needing to be certified even is

[1:42:14] Voice 9: that if we put a size

[1:42:15] Voice 9: limitation then we know what the maximum it's opposed to having an open end that's the only

[1:42:21] Voice 9: reason we came up with that i'm just

[1:42:24] Trustee Elliott: i'm uncomfortable yeah i wonder if we can take

[1:42:31] Trustee Elliott: I want to sort of look at the buildings that make the purpose of this fair lands data and the covenant is to not increase the land, but now we're considering adding, you know, so if it is balance strata and you would like another accessory building

[1:42:51] Trustee Elliott: sort of what what's the appropriate way to measure that

[1:42:55] Trustee Patrick: additional well

[1:42:56] Trustee Patrick: Well, I mean, since you're instructing staff to draft something, could we not just ask them to consider that and you're going to see a draft come back so that you can ask them to consider something

[1:43:09] Trustee Elliott: in line with the current development pattern kind of thing?

[1:43:15] Voice 12: I think what I would request the chair is that you give some direction to staff and then as a chair, we'll come back to you as a draft by law.

[1:43:26] Voice 12: and and you could change it so you could if you're able to got it

[1:43:44] Trustee Elliott: yeah yeah we could just add in the wording so back at the top of the recommended motion of the

[1:43:50] Trustee Elliott: limit the floor area of accessory buildings and then leave that to you to work out through the

[1:43:56] Trustee Elliott: have to you'd be

[1:43:57] Trustee Patrick: looking at the alternatives though yeah the

[1:43:59] Trustee Elliott: alternatives like the ad yes

[1:44:02] Voice 12: or the accessory building to a

[1:44:06] Trustee Patrick: reasonable amount or something

[1:44:09] Voice 12: yeah no yeah to

[1:44:11] Voice 12: some amount uh like connected to the to allow for the existing um

[1:44:16] Voice 12: well

[1:44:25] Trustee Patrick: i don't think you need to i think you just need to use a verbal

[1:44:31] Trustee Patrick: the description to staff, they'll come back with that.

[1:44:35] Trustee Patrick: Then you have the applicant's reaction and

[1:44:39] Trustee Patrick: your ability to further discuss it. We're only

[1:44:43] Trustee Patrick: giving drafting instructions.

[1:44:45] Trustee Elliott: Well, so consistent with

[1:44:47] Trustee Elliott: the application received by the applicant, but

[1:44:50] Trustee Elliott: adding a limit to the

[1:44:56] Trustee Elliott: total floor area.

[1:44:59] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, the accessory buildings, the accessory buildings with the addition of the confederation.

[1:45:13] Voice 16: Would that be okay to add to the end of recommendation number one?

[1:45:20] Trustee Elliott: That's on page 10. I'm going to say an appropriate limit. So then you can have conversations about

[1:45:26] Trustee Elliott: what's the best measure. I just don't want us to approve something that you just have now a

[1:45:31] Trustee Elliott: a giant studio carriage house that's like I'll have the new modern structure but we haven't

[1:45:38] Trustee Elliott: invented it so I would suggest so the application received by the applicant with consideration for

[1:45:43] Trustee Elliott: an appropriate limit to the total floor area for accessory buildings okay so wording specific

[1:45:55] Trustee Patrick: I don't

[1:45:56] Voice 12: know what I mean it's going to leave it open to interpretation in terms of whether

[1:46:00] Voice 12: is appropriate uh and so i'm not sure i guess exactly what that would look like

[1:46:06] Voice 12: and that's maybe where i know it produces a multi-c direction to say

[1:46:10] Voice 12: isn't it appropriate the existing or is it more than the existing or less existing like we have

[1:46:16] Trustee Elliott: no idea what 100 square meters covers right now is it five building five six seven eight nine

[1:46:21] Trustee Elliott: million plus another accessory

[1:46:23] Voice 12: yes it does so

[1:46:25] Trustee Elliott: your hundred square meters allows for an additional

[1:46:29] Trustee Elliott: built accessory building.

[1:46:33] Voice 12: And that was 100 square meters combined for all three.

[1:46:40] Voice 14: So with the current two drawings will exceed 100 meters per square foot. We were proposing

[1:46:51] Voice 14: it would be a limit of 100 square meters per lot because you can only imagine once this

[1:46:58] Voice 14: this only occurs, you can't have your building get affected by someone else, someone else,

[1:47:04] Voice 14: you know, doing expansion. At that point, you would say, well, so it is at a 50 feet,

[1:47:08] Voice 14: I gotta get rid of my 50 feet, you know, instead of the number. So I think the number has to

[1:47:12] Voice 14: attach to each of the three lots, otherwise it becomes a crazy situation 10 years from

[1:47:17] Voice 14: now. But we agree to limiting the footprint of that building. I can speak for ours, we're

[1:47:24] Voice 14: just under 100 square meters so I would suggest we go 100 square meters for each of the three

[1:47:31] Voice 14: and that will give the cooks a rich family ability to um replicate

[1:47:36] Voice 14: I

[1:47:37] Voice 16: get it so limit floor area of accessory buildings to 100 square meters on each lot

[1:47:45] Voice 16: mm-hmm

[1:47:45] Voice 16: I like that thank

[1:47:49] Trustee Elliott: you any

[1:47:51] Trustee Patrick: further questions there

[1:47:53] Trustee Patrick: or something it hasn't been seconded i'm sorry no go ahead we're still in

[1:48:01] Voice 15: discussion and my

[1:48:02] Voice 15: understanding is that that excludes um uh wood sheds and pump houses well

[1:48:08] Voice 12: yeah it depends how

[1:48:09] Voice 12: they're constructed so those would be considered accessory buildings but they wouldn't constitute

[1:48:14] Voice 12: two floor area in both

[1:48:16] Trustee Patrick: cases well

[1:48:18] Voice 12: but on which end right

[1:48:24] Trustee Patrick: trustees how would you like to see

[1:48:26] Trustee Patrick: are you getting hungry but

[1:48:28] Voice 16: we made the

[1:48:30] Trustee Patrick: first motion right

[1:48:31] Voice 16: it has not been cited

[1:48:32] Trustee Patrick: okay so it

[1:48:33] Trustee Patrick: sounds like you need to modify that one okay so watch right again i

[1:48:37] Voice 16: move that the gabriel island

[1:48:39] Voice 16: local trust committee request staff to draft bylaws consistent with the application received

[1:48:45] Voice 16: received by the applicant for application PLRZ-2020-05-0138 with the addition of limiting

[1:48:56] Voice 16: floor area of accessory buildings to 100 square meters per lot.

[1:49:04] Trustee Patrick: That works.

[1:49:05] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[1:49:06] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second to that?

[1:49:07] Trustee Patrick: Second by Trustee Elliott.

[1:49:09] Trustee Patrick: Any discussion?

[1:49:11] Trustee Patrick: So now I'm going to call the vote.

[1:49:13] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[1:49:14] Trustee Patrick: That carries.

[1:49:17] Trustee Elliott: I move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee request staff to send an early referral

[1:49:21] Trustee Elliott: to produce the new impersonation of the Regional District of Nunn-Lyme.

[1:49:26] Trustee Elliott: Second that.

[1:49:27] Trustee Elliott: Trustee Yates, any discussion?

[1:49:29] Trustee Elliott: All

[1:49:29] Voice 16: those in favour?

[1:49:30] Voice 16: That carries.

[1:49:32] Voice 7: I

[1:49:32] Voice 16: move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee request the following information

[1:49:36] Voice 16: from the applicant in advance of consideration of first reading.

[1:49:40] Voice 16: A. A survey by a wetland specialist that takes place within the wet season to confirm the presence and boundaries or absence of a wetland or seasonally wet habitat, and an assessment by a qualified professional of the potential impact of any new well with any confirmed adjacent wetlands on the subject property.

[1:50:02] Voice 16: B. An inspection report from a registered on-site wastewater specialist to certify that the sewage disposal systems are functioning properly and can, in their current conditions, support the existing dwellings.

[1:50:15] Voice 16: And C. A survey by an appropriately qualified expert to be completed during the active period for the moss elfin, red-listed butterfly, spring, early summer, to confirm the likely presence or absence of this species.

[1:50:30] Trustee Elliott: Is there a second?

[1:50:31] Trustee Elliott: before a second questions um so in advance of consideration of first reading so we are now

[1:50:39] Trustee Elliott: drafting bylaws you give early notification to send in first nation the applicants being asked

[1:50:44] Trustee Elliott: to do provide at least three more reports and then that would all come together i mean if we

[1:50:53] Trustee Elliott: have this caveat of spring early summer this wouldn't even come to first reading before next

[1:51:01] Trustee Elliott: unless the survey by the qualified expert is completed immediately for the spring, early summer piece.

[1:51:14] Trustee Elliott: I'm just wondering about the timing for this.

[1:51:16] Trustee Elliott: Past wet season too.

[1:51:19] Trustee Elliott: We are past wet season.

[1:51:21] Trustee Elliott: So this is almost another year of delay.

[1:51:26] Trustee Elliott: It's not delay, it's work to be done.

[1:51:29] Trustee Elliott: yes so

[1:51:30] Voice 9: that's right consultants involved and particularly the wet season she did the report

[1:51:37] Voice 9: give me the wet season and she confirmed there's no impact so she's going to write a report uh

[1:51:44] Voice 9: that's even though that staff will be giving yourselves um outlining this issue and we feel

[1:51:50] Voice 9: there's a method report with that and then they'll come up to your decisions today we would give them

[1:51:57] Voice 9: instructions tomorrow to start wrapping these reports because i've spoken to the eric's

[1:52:01] Voice 9: consultants okay done

[1:52:05] Trustee Elliott: your homework so

[1:52:08] Trustee Patrick: well done is there a second then yes second by trustee yates

[1:52:11] Trustee Patrick: uh your trust failure any discussion all about all those in favor that's carried

[1:52:19] Trustee Elliott: i know that the general uh other local trust committee

[1:52:24] Trustee Elliott: Yeah. Request the following information from the applicant to be submitted to staff and

[1:52:28] Trustee Elliott: to the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee.

[1:52:31] Trustee Elliott: No, that's the next one, number four.

[1:52:34] Trustee Elliott: Don't worry, this is number four. That's the covenant.

[1:52:37] Trustee Elliott: Oh, I see the bottom.

[1:52:40] Trustee Elliott: I was comparing with the recommended.

[1:52:49] Voice 16: I move that the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee request the applicant for PL

[1:52:54] Voice 16: or Z 2025-0138, enter into a cost recovery agreement with Islands Trust for legal services

[1:53:01] Voice 16: to prepare a draft section 219 covenant with these requirements. A, that forested areas and

[1:53:08] Voice 16: archaeological features are protected from ground disturbance, vegetation clearing, or new development.

[1:53:13] Voice 16: B, that invasive plant species on the subject property as identified in 6.0 environmental

[1:53:19] Voice 16: environmental protection recommendations of the report from Afroparian Environmental Consulting

[1:53:24] Voice 16: Limited dated November 2024 are removed and the area replanted following recommendations from a

[1:53:31] Voice 16: registered professional biologist with the work to be completed within a reasonable time frame

[1:53:35] Voice 16: and see that subdivision is not permitted until all drilled wells to satisfy subdivision must

[1:53:43] Voice 16: provide written certification under seal of a professional engineer or geoscientist with

[1:53:48] Voice 16: competency in hydrogeology that each well has been constructed in accordance or have been

[1:53:54] Voice 16: retrofitted to be in accordance with the groundwater protection regulation and each

[1:53:58] Voice 16: well has sufficient available groundwater to provide the daily required volume of potable

[1:54:03] Voice 16: water for the permitted domestic uses on each lot in accordance with the Water Sustainability Act

[1:54:08] Voice 16: 2,000 liters per day with each additional permitted dwelling and cottage an additional

[1:54:14] Voice 16: additional 2,000 liters per day per lot.

[1:54:19] Voice 16: And, nope, that's another one.

[1:54:21] Voice 16: Nope, another, and it goes, and I'm sorry, continue me.

[1:54:24] Voice 16: It includes recommendations for mitigation measures, if applicable,

[1:54:28] Voice 16: to ensure long-term sustainable yield of the drilled well,

[1:54:32] Voice 16: and any new drilled well is located a minimum of 100 meters

[1:54:36] Voice 16: from the natural boundary of the sea.

[1:54:39] Voice 16: All wells used for the purposes of subdivision provide a water quality test

[1:54:44] Voice 16: for bacteriological routine chemical parameters and chloride including recommendations from the

[1:54:50] Voice 16: professional engineer or geoscientist with competency in hydrogeology for treatment to

[1:54:55] Voice 16: the gabriola island local trust committee and lastly the portion of property identified on the

[1:55:02] Voice 16: plan attached to the staff report dated may 21st 2026 is transferred to bc parks

[1:55:12] Trustee Elliott: I just wanted to clarify, so we are clarifying that yes, subdivision is in the hands of MOTI,

[1:55:22] Trustee Elliott: but the provisions of this covenant are consistent with what MOTI would require anyways.

[1:55:30] Trustee Elliott: So we are just saying that subdivision is not going to be permitted until those conditions

[1:55:39] Trustee Elliott: conditions are met okay thank you you want to get ahead of ourselves I will second

[1:55:46] Trustee Patrick: um okay second

[1:55:48] Trustee Patrick: then I can ask a question after so second by interesting Elliot I guess my question on the

[1:55:52] Trustee Patrick: portion you can't can can you not transfer the portion to BC parks until after it's subdivided

[1:56:04] Voice 12: so this would through the chair and this would occur at time and subdivision so this would be

[1:56:09] Voice 12: identified in a referral pilot at the time okay gotcha

[1:56:13] Trustee Patrick: yep okay any further discussion

[1:56:19] Trustee Patrick: i'll call the vote then all those in favor that carries any other actions on this so

[1:56:27] Trustee Patrick: lots of work every year no i don't care about get on that butterfly thank you very much

[1:56:35] Trustee Patrick: trustees we have a couple of referrals or you want to keep going through this section

[1:56:55] Voice 7: If

[1:56:55] Trustee Patrick: we could just be quiet, we're still going to carry out with some work here, so keep

[1:57:00] Trustee Patrick: the chatter down.

[1:57:01] Trustee Patrick: down. So we're at 9.3 on the referral response proposed

[1:57:07] Trustee Patrick: status by law number 117 on page 216. So probably trustee, Elliot,

[1:57:17] Trustee Patrick: you probably can introduce this best.

[1:57:20] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, okay. Right. Yeah.

[1:57:22] Trustee Elliott: So please see this bit odd, but

[1:57:27] Trustee Elliott: yes, as chair of the local trust committee, I don't know where

[1:57:34] Voice 12: I'm very happy

[1:57:39] Trustee Elliott: for you to do it too, Kassia.

[1:57:41] Trustee Elliott: So this Semper Modus bylaw number 117 from the Thetis Island and Pahoma Company is for

[1:57:50] Trustee Elliott: a very extensive nature-based shoreline protection and restoration structure, which will incorporate

[1:58:00] Trustee Elliott: a lot of the Green Shore's recommendations for shoreline protection to protect the land

[1:58:07] Trustee Elliott: existing buildings and structures from further erosion. The applicant has been very patient.

[1:58:13] Trustee Elliott: This has been a long process. There has been some feedback from an Ellicott tribe. I believe

[1:58:25] Trustee Elliott: we're still waiting on LIACs and First Nation, but this may be the first Green Shores shoreline

[1:58:34] Trustee Elliott: development that, well, certainly the first one I've seen. We've had lots of discussion

[1:58:39] Trustee Elliott: about it. I'm very satisfied that there's a huge effort to ensure that the vegetation

[1:58:48] Trustee Elliott: and the beach enhancement, I haven't known that's what it was, they call it nutrition,

[1:58:52] Trustee Elliott: putting the appropriate gravel and sand and cobble placement to actually rebuild the shoreline.

[1:59:01] Trustee Elliott: This is actually a modified coastal area, the cut was created about 100 years ago and

[1:59:09] Trustee Elliott: so it drained the marshy, we call that when it's seawater and estuary, it's like an estuary,

[1:59:20] Trustee Elliott: it was brackish

[1:59:21] Trustee Elliott: brackish water

[1:59:23] Trustee Elliott: and so there

[1:59:26] Trustee Elliott: is a potential for restored

[1:59:29] Trustee Elliott: indigenous

[1:59:30] Trustee Elliott: harvesting and restoration

[1:59:32] Trustee Elliott: of

[1:59:34] Trustee Elliott: the climb beds and

[1:59:36] Trustee Elliott: everything there so

[1:59:38] Trustee Elliott: the entire report is not in this

[1:59:41] Trustee Elliott: agenda but it's

[1:59:43] Trustee Elliott: extremely in depth and so

[1:59:45] Trustee Elliott: I do hope ELTC supports

[1:59:47] Trustee Elliott: the referral

[1:59:48] Trustee Elliott: for all any questions or anything you wish to add

[2:00:00] Voice 12: maybe just to say that it's a bylaw that's being referred to the local trust committee

[2:00:04] Voice 12: and there's options for a response there.

[2:00:08] Voice 12: That's at all.

[2:00:09] Voice 12: Maybe each.

[2:00:10] Trustee Patrick: 2-16.

[2:00:12] Voice 12: 2-16, 2-20 online.

[2:00:14] Voice 12: Maybe 2-16.

[2:00:15] Voice 12: 2-16 online.

[2:00:19] Voice 7: All right.

[2:00:21] Voice 16: What would you like to do?

[2:00:23] Voice 16: Yes, and I contacted Thetis Island trustee Peter Leckham

[2:00:27] Voice 16: to get his thoughts on this as well.

[2:00:29] Voice 16: and he's all for it I can see why I would be too if I live on Venus Island and I'm really glad that

[2:00:35] Voice 16: you're the chair of that trust committee um

[2:00:37] Voice 7: trustee

[2:00:38] Voice 16: oh yeah I'm certainly in favor so we

[2:00:41] Voice 16: just

[2:00:42] Trustee Elliott: need to complete motion number one interests are unaffected I would say number two to recommend

[2:00:49] Trustee Elliott: And I'm proceeding with the bylaw for the reason that the proposed

[2:00:56] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, that it supports traditional uses and it will regenerate the environment

[2:01:09] Trustee Elliott: and act to restore, I don't know, some of the words I'm missing.

[2:01:18] Trustee Elliott: the um let's see well i think it's because it's the appropriate approach for the

[2:01:38] Trustee Elliott: shoreline and

[2:01:43] Voice 16: will enhance the ecological function something like that can we say the

[2:01:47] Voice 16: reasons that are outlined in the staff report because that's the staff report is pretty detailed

[2:01:52] Voice 16: on that well it just says to just like

[2:01:55] Trustee Elliott: here it's

[2:01:59] Voice 16: like for the following

[2:02:00] Trustee Elliott: reasons right yeah okay

[2:02:05] Trustee Elliott: So I was just going to suggest that it, you know, aligns with green choice best practices

[2:02:10] Trustee Elliott: and it's an appropriate shoreline mediation to respond to and have the ecological function

[2:02:26] Trustee Elliott: of the shoreline.

[2:02:30] Voice 16: So two things, it aligns with green choice best practices and it enhances

[2:02:35] Voice 16: Nancy's shorting on ecology.

[2:02:39] Voice 16: Yeah, that's great.

[2:02:40] Voice 16: OK, Nancy's shorting on ecology.

[2:02:42] Voice 16: Thank you.

[2:02:43] Voice 16: Good to see you.

[2:02:43] Voice 16: All right.

[2:02:44] Voice 16: So I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[2:02:48] Voice 16: approves, no, recommends, sorry, recommends proceeding.

[2:02:53] Voice 16: Recommends to

[2:02:53] Trustee Patrick: Thetis Island Local Trusting

[2:02:56] Voice 16: through the year.

[2:02:57] Voice 16: Recommends to Thetis Island Local Trust Committee

[2:03:00] Voice 16: that proposed bylaw number 117 proceed

[2:03:02] Voice 16: see for the following reasons um it aligns with green shore's best practices and it enhances

[2:03:11] Voice 16: shoreline ecology all right is there a second i

[2:03:17] Trustee Elliott: was just wondering about adding something about

[2:03:19] Trustee Elliott: traditional there's nothing really well staff report does say that but not the actual bylaw

[2:03:30] Trustee Elliott: itself okay that's fine are you

[2:03:32] Trustee Patrick: seconding yes okay seconded by any discussion seeing any

[2:03:39] Trustee Patrick: i'll call them up all those in favor and that carries all right another good example to be

[2:03:46] Trustee Patrick: sharing yeah okay um on to item number 9.4 regional district and i will curl building bylaw

[2:03:54] Trustee Patrick: number nine uh one nine six seven twenty twenty six on page twenty twenty four who's presenting

[2:04:03] Trustee Patrick: this. Yes, we have the regional district is here.

[2:04:10] Voice 3: Yes. So we

[2:04:17] Trustee Patrick: have Everett Ham and Lexi

[2:04:21] Trustee Patrick: Boken Kruger. Hello. I just destroyed

[2:04:25] Trustee Patrick: your last name. How do you say it?

[2:04:29] Voice 2: Boken Kruger.

[2:04:30] Voice 2: Oh,

[2:04:31] Trustee Patrick: okay. Just like it's spelled. All right. The floor is over to you.

[2:04:38] Voice 2: Okay. I don't have a presentation prepared, but I am here to answer any questions you may have

[2:04:44] Voice 2: about the proposed RDN building bylaw 1967. The current building bylaw dates back to 2010 and

[2:04:53] Voice 2: was developed prior to many of the legislative and regulatory changes that now shape building

[2:04:57] Voice 2: inspection in BC and over time staff have had to bridge those gaps through

[2:05:01] Voice 2: interpretation and informal practices the proposed bylaw introduces a

[2:05:06] Voice 2: modernized administrative framework that aligns with current legislation best

[2:05:10] Voice 2: practices and how the service operates today and I am happy to answer any

[2:05:15] Voice 2: questions you may have thank

[2:05:16] Trustee Patrick: you very much look to our local trustees for any

[2:05:20] Trustee Patrick: any questions well I thank

[2:05:25] Trustee Elliott: you I did actually watch the presentation to the

[2:05:31] Trustee Elliott: ESAC committee and really appreciated the detail on May 7th I don't have any

[2:05:42] Trustee Elliott: questions the so just proceeding through or maybe I do have questions but just

[2:05:50] Trustee Elliott: proceeding through uh the different items so provisional conditional occupancy

[2:05:57] Trustee Elliott: um that's that's a great change i think or it would be a great change reducing the risk that

[2:06:05] Trustee Elliott: minor deficiencies remain perfect owner plumbing plans great um uh the issue that i think we need

[2:06:14] Trustee Elliott: a little bit of community feedback on would be the construction without permits um whether the

[2:06:20] Trustee Elliott: doubling fees with a cap or doubling fees or no change um i don't know if you have could you um

[2:06:31] Trustee Elliott: present briefly again just the um how far behind is taxation or is taxation to catch up with the

[2:06:47] Trustee Elliott: costs of enforcement and for non-permitted um or construction that's proceeding without a permit

[2:06:54] Trustee Elliott: if you could just briefly talk about the impacts about that from the audience perspective absolutely

[2:07:01] Voice 2: so uh through the chair to the trustee the other proposal that went forward was for the building

[2:07:08] Voice 2: regulation fees and charges by law and that report did outline that we are very short um in our

[2:07:15] Voice 2: funding and a lot of that relates back to enforcement so currently when a building permit

[2:07:21] Voice 2: is issued the fees are structured in a way that the cost of the permit only covers the work done

[2:07:28] Voice 2: under that building permit where we encounter enforcement there is not um there's not much for

[2:07:36] Voice 2: cost recovery our current bylaw doubles the building permit fee up to 750 dollars only in

[2:07:42] Voice 2: certain circumstances and that is largely considered a cost of doing business in what

[2:07:49] Voice 2: we found in today's market across bc double permit fees is standard practice in most jurisdictions

[2:07:57] Voice 2: some have a cap and some do not but that what we have found is in either case that would be

[2:08:06] Voice 2: required to recover the cost of enforcement it can often be months and even years of enforcement

[2:08:13] Voice 2: trying to gain compliance and that is a lot of work done by building officials as well as bylaw

[2:08:18] Voice 2: officers so we're seeking to do cost recovery for that work so that taxation and permit fees

[2:08:26] Voice 2: aren't used to subsidize the enforcement

[2:08:29] Trustee Elliott: yeah thank you for that and then before we moved on

[2:08:36] Trustee Elliott: Buildings, that makes a lot of sense, removing the appraisal-based neighborhood value requirement, exempting accessory buildings under 20 meters squared, 215 square feet, which increases the permit exemption from 10 to 20.

[2:08:52] Trustee Elliott: That's, I think, also a really good change for non-uninhabited structures.

[2:09:01] Trustee Elliott: So I guess the next one that is perhaps for more conversation, the about limited access

[2:09:08] Trustee Elliott: properties consideration.

[2:09:11] Trustee Elliott: And this is, so I don't know if it was correctly reported, just so the public understands,

[2:09:20] Trustee Elliott: the RDN does currently require building permits or rather Mudge Island is in the service area

[2:09:29] Trustee Elliott: for the RDN for building permits currently.

[2:09:33] Trustee Elliott: So that's correct?

[2:09:34] Voice 2: So through the chair to the trustee,

[2:09:37] Voice 2: all of Area B and the encompassed islands

[2:09:40] Voice 2: are within the building inspection service.

[2:09:43] Trustee Elliott: Right.

[2:09:44] Trustee Elliott: So there's potential to opt in.

[2:09:49] Trustee Elliott: What we're discussing is whether the pathway is to,

[2:09:57] Trustee Elliott: in places where inspection access is impractical

[2:09:59] Trustee Elliott: because there's no ferry access that that building service option is not removed but the requirement

[2:10:07] Trustee Elliott: is removed and owners have the option to opt in to get a permit to their dwelling or their

[2:10:16] Trustee Elliott: structure is that what we're talking about like for financing

[2:10:20] Voice 16: or insurance purposes because

[2:10:21] Voice 16: that makes sense right or for they just want to get a permit just want to get a permit for

[2:10:26] Voice 16: sale value or whatever yeah yes

[2:10:30] Voice 2: that is correct so currently uh permits it is within the building

[2:10:34] Voice 2: inspection service area and permits are required on those islands and in looking at how many

[2:10:41] Voice 2: permits we've issued in the past on the islands outside of gabriola as well as the reality of

[2:10:48] Voice 2: actually getting to the islands and doing inspections and the added cost to the residents

[2:10:52] Voice 2: we wanted to provide a pathway that would best suit both so if it was somebody wanted a building

[2:11:01] Voice 2: permit for insurance or mortgage purposes or for their own preference that option is there for them

[2:11:07] Voice 2: alternatively they aren't required to get one if they choose not to

[2:11:11] Trustee Elliott: okay so that it removes the

[2:11:15] Trustee Elliott: the requirement. That's kind of what we're aiming towards because inspection has been

[2:11:21] Trustee Elliott: so challenging. And I did, it was interesting to note during our presentation that there's

[2:11:29] Trustee Elliott: also, it's even difficult for building inspectors to get around the island because they're covered

[2:11:38] Trustee Elliott: through, they have to be driven around an insured vehicle, which, you know, available

[2:11:44] Trustee Elliott: available and depending on where the boat lands they may not be in proximity to the residents

[2:11:48] Trustee Elliott: that they can't walk there can they take a golf cart so there are many challenges to just getting

[2:11:55] Trustee Elliott: that much in particular service so

[2:11:58] Trustee Patrick: but interesting but that would that mean that you would then that

[2:12:02] Trustee Patrick: this LTC would have to bring a siting and use permit system into place if there was not a

[2:12:07] Trustee Patrick: building permit system in place so that's the question is

[2:12:11] Trustee Elliott: it's how so i do think we need

[2:12:14] Voice 7: some

[2:12:15] Trustee Elliott: staff analysis on this um you know the effects so the board direction um you don't

[2:12:22] Trustee Elliott: have board direction you have a recommended pathway um and so we don't know which direction

[2:12:30] Trustee Elliott: that's going to go if we ask our staff to sort of analyze the optional permit path

[2:12:41] Trustee Elliott: with cost recovery then they can bring back i guess this isn't a question for you sorry

[2:12:50] Trustee Elliott: let's see it's more for our staff you can bring back some kind of analysis of what are the

[2:12:56] Trustee Elliott: applications for the ltc um

[2:13:00] Voice 12: yeah if the ltc wishes to report back we can um yep just need direction

[2:13:07] Voice 12: from the ltc to do that um alternatively if you want to just identify questions for the rmn that

[2:13:14] Voice 12: they should kind of be considering when they're considering their violence and that that could

[2:13:19] Voice 12: also just be passed on to them through the referral um but i haven't stressed that we'll

[2:13:25] Voice 12: and we'll respond to the referral on the basis of your by-law if that was trust regulations

[2:13:33] Voice 7: okay

[2:13:34] Trustee Elliott: so on this matter and a few of the other provide um proposed changes

[2:13:47] Trustee Elliott: i would like to refer this to our gabriel loyalty or apc and then the much apc is what i was thinking

[2:13:58] Trustee Elliott: would that provide enough time and are we able to refer a matter from another

[2:14:06] Trustee Elliott: local government to our apcs i

[2:14:10] Voice 12: can report back to you on that and look into that question for you

[2:14:13] Voice 12: i think it certainly might be more efficient just to recommend to their end that they

[2:14:17] Voice 12: do that engagement as part of their process oh and

[2:14:22] Voice 12: then they they hear from you they send

[2:14:23] Voice 12: referral to you, they want to hear from you, and you're helping them identify some groups that

[2:14:28] Voice 12: really might have an interest. Right, so

[2:14:31] Trustee Elliott: they can refer a matter to our APCs. Or

[2:14:33] Voice 12: not to your APCs,

[2:14:34] Voice 12: but perhaps the community, to engage with the Mudge community and the Gabriola community.

[2:14:42] Voice 12: Right.

[2:14:43] Voice 16: Does it affect the Gabriola community? It certainly affects the Corsi and Mudge,

[2:14:49] Voice 16: but does it affect the Gabriola community? There's other elements, the manufacturing

[2:14:53] Trustee Elliott: Yes.

[2:14:54] Voice 16: Yes.

[2:14:55] Trustee Elliott: The deck, the exemption to the accessory buildings, all of this would affect the Gabriela community.

[2:15:04] Trustee Elliott: Moved on buildings certainly would.

[2:15:08] Voice 16: Interestingly, my response to this whole report is that I really appreciate the recommended

[2:15:18] Voice 16: option from the RDN.

[2:15:27] Voice 16: You know, for example, with the remote and limited access properties that you recognize

[2:15:34] Voice 16: those properties where inspection access is just totally impractical, but, you know,

[2:15:41] Voice 16: allow owners to opt into permitting for their own reasons, financing or insurance, whatever.

[2:15:47] Voice 16: ever um so so for that um retaining the optional pathway with cost recovery seems very sensible to

[2:15:57] Voice 16: me so i can't see any of these that i don't agree with the recommendation i i

[2:16:06] Trustee Elliott: just think there would

[2:16:07] Trustee Elliott: be there are a lot of unpermitted buildings and i would want to know what the impacts are for our

[2:16:18] Trustee Elliott: community if um for that item uh sorry four was it no one moved on buildings sorry i'm scrolling

[2:16:29] Trustee Elliott: three construction without a permit right um right you know it provides a pathway to bring

[2:16:37] Trustee Elliott: people into compliance we also are struggling with how to address um unpermitted dwellings

[2:16:48] Trustee Elliott: it is a path then that's a good thing but i wouldn't know which to write yes actually i

[2:16:55] Trustee Elliott: wouldn't either for that one yeah

[2:16:57] Voice 16: so perhaps we could just uh request that um visual district staff

[2:17:04] Voice 16: consult with the communities what's the most practical way referring those qr a

[2:17:13] Voice 16: Maybe it's number 13.

[2:17:16] Voice 16: How do they do that?

[2:17:18] Trustee Patrick: Recommend they have engagement with?

[2:17:23] Trustee Elliott: Well, our meeting is not until July.

[2:17:26] Trustee Elliott: We can help with reach out,

[2:17:30] Trustee Elliott: but it would be a bit unwieldy if it's RDN staff and us.

[2:17:35] Trustee Elliott: Sorry.

[2:17:36] Voice 16: I will have a full agenda.

[2:17:38] Voice 16: I wonder if there's some way the RDN staff could do a Gabriel open house.

[2:17:44] Voice 16: and also invite much community that's an idea i think that would be the most useful

[2:17:50] Voice 16: um if anybody that needs to do this it's really clear what the options are but what your

[2:17:57] Voice 16: preferences might be i don't you know it's hard to say could could we could gabriel island local

[2:18:04] Voice 16: trust committee request you can't because

[2:18:09] Trustee Patrick: you know you're recommending it's a referral so you

[2:18:12] Trustee Patrick: make a recommendation so

[2:18:17] Trustee Elliott: a recommendation that there be some reach out to the quote that gabriel

[2:18:25] Trustee Elliott: left well to the area area b resident on the implication or any considerations for draft

[2:18:35] Trustee Elliott: building bylaw 1967 6 i mean i would love to say that gabriel lgc approved in principle

[2:18:49] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, I think without feedback from our community members, there's a lot that we need input,

[2:18:59] Trustee Elliott: we need some to hear from our community on this.

[2:19:03] Trustee Elliott: We can also ask people to write to us.

[2:19:05] Trustee Elliott: So

[2:19:06] Trustee Patrick: why don't we suggest that-

[2:19:08] Trustee Patrick: You're asking people to, with them, so I think that's that you're recommending that they

[2:19:14] Trustee Patrick: engage and i think that's kind of taking yourself out of this equation encouraging people to consult

[2:19:20] Trustee Patrick: with or engage with them yeah but what about the response from the general ltc how

[2:19:26] Voice 16: about this that

[2:19:27] Voice 16: we approve proposed building bylaw number 1967 2026 in principle and encourage regional district

[2:19:35] Voice 16: district of Nanaimo to engage with area residents on this on the key changes on the key changes

[2:19:50] Voice 16: like an open house would be great well I don't know if approve is the word that I'm looking for

[2:19:57] Voice 16: no I mean I'm we I do approve this in principle I think this is a really good but I also recognize

[2:20:08] Trustee Elliott: And I would say support the recommended whatever actions because there's a bunch of different ones, but we don't. There isn't a recommendation for

[2:20:21] Trustee Elliott: Item three because that's sort of their board up to their board to

[2:20:28] Trustee Elliott: Give direction.

[2:20:32] Trustee Elliott: And at this point, I wouldn't know what to support.

[2:20:40] Trustee Elliott: it relates

[2:20:40] Voice 12: to the individual items you're discussing i think that like what was referred

[2:20:46] Voice 12: to you as the bylaw and i don't know perhaps our dn staff can clarify but uh it might be the case

[2:20:53] Voice 12: that that bylaw that was or that draft bylaw that was referred to you includes the staff

[2:20:58] Voice 12: recommendations so if that's what you are supporting then then you can get this indicates

[2:21:03] Voice 12: keeps from for that bylaw but maybe we would want to just clarify that that's correct from our

[2:21:08] Voice 12: instance at first but oh

[2:21:11] Trustee Patrick: i'm sorry see alexia has her hand up go ahead

[2:21:13] Voice 2: uh thank you that's okay i i

[2:21:16] Voice 2: may get you to repeat that question of clarity but i just wanted to mention that uh the board

[2:21:22] Voice 2: did give us some direction to do some engagement and so i will note that um area b engagement

[2:21:28] Voice 2: engagement is a request of the trust as well we do plan on doing some engagement in all our areas

[2:21:36] Voice 7: that's great yeah okay

[2:21:41] Voice 16: I mean I don't know if this is acceptable but I would say that Gabriel

[2:21:44] Voice 16: Allen local class committee supports the proposed building bylaw number 16 1967 2026 in principle

[2:21:53] Voice 16: and encourages Regional District of the nine walk to engage with area B residents

[2:22:03] Trustee Elliott: So, Lauren, is there a second?

[2:22:05] Trustee Elliott: I'm just thinking.

[2:22:07] Trustee Elliott: I'm sorry.

[2:22:08] Trustee Elliott: Thinking is good.

[2:22:13] Trustee Elliott: Like supports, endorses, you

[2:22:15] Voice 16: know, in principle, because it does include some staff recommendations as well.

[2:22:22] Voice 16: What

[2:22:28] Trustee Elliott: else do we need to have conversation about between the RDN and Islands Trust, though, to clarify if there's no building permits that say, like, we can support in principle,

[2:22:39] Trustee Elliott: but we don't necessarily have enough information to

[2:22:45] Trustee Patrick: say, yes, this is a good direction to go.

[2:22:47] Trustee Patrick: Well, it's the consideration of the cost of developing a siting and use permitting system by the Islands Trust.

[2:22:57] Trustee Patrick: I mean, they say money, but the cost comes over to us to implement the permitting system.

[2:23:03] Trustee Patrick: We may not need to, though. I mean, we don't know.

[2:23:06] Voice 12: yeah i think the violence trust act say states that the local trust committee where you know

[2:23:12] Voice 12: we're in an area that's not subject to a requirement established under division one

[2:23:16] Voice 12: of part nine of the little government act the building permits be obtained for construction

[2:23:21] Voice 12: but is subject to the only bylaw of the trust committee made by bylaw uh require and then um

[2:23:28] Voice 12: require subject to the regulations that only land obtain a setting and use permit

[2:23:34] Voice 12: maybe that's enough there but there's more there's more here but so we

[2:23:38] Trustee Elliott: may it's not necessarily

[2:23:39] Trustee Elliott: a positive

[2:23:40] Voice 12: obligation that we do it so for example on the stevie island there is

[2:23:51] Voice 12: not building inspection services and there's not a setting and use permit bylaw established either

[2:23:58] Voice 12: sorry

[2:24:00] Trustee Elliott: say that first part

[2:24:01] Voice 12: of the stevie island

[2:24:06] Trustee Patrick: but you're not looking at as developed an island as much or sighting use is probably a good idea

[2:24:19] Trustee Elliott: i do have a question though because the we've been talking about much but there's

[2:24:25] Trustee Elliott: a lot of other islands that do not have ferry access and and some of them are privately owned

[2:24:31] Trustee Elliott: Are we, by this, exempting properties on associated islands from getting a building permit from DeCourcy?

[2:24:44] Voice 12: Sure, I think that's a good question.

[2:24:46] Voice 12: So through

[2:24:50] Voice 2: the chair to the trustee, it would apply to all of Area B islands except for Gabriola.

[2:24:59] Trustee Elliott: So the laptops too.

[2:25:02] Voice 7: that's

[2:25:03] Trustee Elliott: why i'm not willing to say i fully support this but i think it's a mistake

[2:25:09] Trustee Elliott: we're trying to fix one problem and you know uh removing the building service uh for

[2:25:16] Trustee Elliott: all of the associated islands or rather all the islands except for

[2:25:21] Trustee Elliott: gabriola is i think has much larger implications we need to consider um i think we need to think

[2:25:30] Trustee Elliott: about this a bit more i would like staff's analysis on the um on the proposed building

[2:25:41] Trustee Elliott: by loan recommendations and i would like to ask um yeah just request that the rdn engagement

[2:25:51] Trustee Elliott: area be residents on the proposed changes there's a lot in here that i can't give a referral response

[2:25:59] Trustee Elliott: response today without more information right what's the deadline

[2:26:05] Trustee Patrick: I guess I look to Lexi what's

[2:26:08] Trustee Patrick: the deadline uh

[2:26:10] Voice 2: we don't have a set deadline at this time but it is expected to go back to

[2:26:16] Voice 2: EASC likely for early July yeah so

[2:26:34] Trustee Elliott: could we respond that we're going to look for more

[2:26:40] Trustee Elliott: um we're going to request information from staff about potential implications of all the recommended

[2:26:46] Trustee Elliott: amended changes, request the RDN engage with Area B residents and defer consideration until

[2:26:58] Trustee Elliott: our ending that information.

[2:27:07] Voice 12: So you're responding that you're deferring. I'm not sure you could request, I guess, additional

[2:27:15] Voice 12: time.

[2:27:15] Voice 12: Yeah.

[2:27:15] Voice 12: And say, I mean, this is what, you know, these items we already identified as, you know,

[2:27:21] Voice 12: we'd like to communicate to you and we

[2:27:23] Voice 12: request additional time uh to respond more fully

[2:27:27] Trustee Elliott: like i

[2:27:29] Trustee Elliott: can i can support eight uh or seven out of eight of these changes they're not controversial i think

[2:27:36] Trustee Elliott: they they but where it affects us we do need to have more conversation what do you think

[2:27:43] Trustee Elliott: um

[2:27:43] Voice 7: well

[2:27:45] Voice 16: yeah i'm just thinking about the flat tops actually and you know those private islands

[2:27:53] Voice 16: where they do come to us for all those setback requirements

[2:27:58] Voice 16: and lot coverage and environmental reports required

[2:28:03] Voice 16: when they're expanding their buildings.

[2:28:06] Voice 16: But I don't think that really affects the RDN.

[2:28:10] Voice 16: I don't think that connects with this.

[2:28:14] Trustee Elliott: Will they

[2:28:15] Trustee Elliott: be exempt from the building?

[2:28:17] Voice 16: Yeah, or optional.

[2:28:20] Trustee Elliott: So we have development permits for the flat tops.

[2:28:23] Trustee Elliott: but that covers for ecological purposes, and they're

[2:28:28] Voice 16: not, I don't know.

[2:28:30] Voice 16: I actually do.

[2:28:31] Voice 16: I think this is a really helpful document, and I do approve it in principle.

[2:28:36] Voice 16: I think there's, oh, sorry.

[2:28:37] Voice 16: But I do want the RDN to engage, and as Lexi has mentioned,

[2:28:42] Voice 16: they are planning on engaging.

[2:28:44] Trustee Patrick: Well, I think the key is what you're looking at is any unintended consequences

[2:28:49] Trustee Patrick: of not, if they don't, if it's an opt-in for permits,

[2:28:53] Trustee Patrick: permits then what does that do to our expectations if you know someone may not have a setback they

[2:29:00] Trustee Patrick: may not be in a development permit area yet they could be in an archaeological site or other things

[2:29:06] Trustee Patrick: of concern and yet they could proceed with building so I think that's what you're looking

[2:29:11] Trustee Patrick: for is the unintended consequences so yeah and

[2:29:14] Voice 16: and it's because they they already in building

[2:29:16] Trustee Patrick: inspectors do refer to our bylaws well no they refer the building permit gets referred to our

[2:29:21] Trustee Patrick: staff so that triggers a review and so that would be missing yeah

[2:29:26] Trustee Elliott: we have no review there is no

[2:29:29] Trustee Elliott: review of development on if that if this proceeds as written so i think that'd be up to community

[2:29:42] Trustee Elliott: our responsibility

[2:29:43] Voice 16: personally um these are such good suggestions and they're so practical

[2:29:49] Voice 16: but there's the unintended consequence to note yeah that's

[2:29:54] Trustee Elliott: why we're here so

[2:29:56] Trustee Patrick: i guess the question

[2:29:56] Trustee Patrick: is does our staff have to do the analysis or does

[2:30:00] Trustee Patrick: I know staff had to do the analysis for the impact of removing the building permit. I think that's the quandary we're in. Sorry, Lexi. Who needs to review this, the effect if building permits weren't required? What are the risks? What are the mitigations?

[2:30:32] Voice 12: This is something you can request from staff and we can come back to you as best we can.

[2:30:37] Voice 12: We don't have the expertise in terms of the building permitting processes or systems or

[2:30:47] Voice 12: the engineering requirements or any of those kinds of things.

[2:30:50] Voice 12: I think the impacts it sounds like you're looking at are the fact that a building permit

[2:30:56] Voice 12: is often an indicator for folks to look at the zone.

[2:30:59] Voice 12: So that's what we could maybe comment on, but even in that regard, it's probably, I don't know.

[2:31:12] Voice 12: Yeah, I guess we could come back to you with something.

[2:31:14] Voice 12: I don't know what it would look like exactly.

[2:31:18] Voice 16: Maybe Lexi has some comments on that.

[2:31:21] Voice 16: Yeah.

[2:31:22] Voice 2: And we would be happy to provide some statistics as far as how many permit applications we've seen

[2:31:28] Voice 2: since the implementation of the current bylaw in 2011 on the islands associated in area b

[2:31:35] Voice 2: it has been very limited there has been very limited permit applications or inquiries on

[2:31:42] Voice 2: much decorcy or any of the other islands in that time we do a lot of course in

[2:31:49] Voice 2: on gabriola but if it would be helpful we can provide those statistics to help

[2:31:53] Voice 2: inform the report from staff I can say that we only are able to refer over the

[2:32:01] Voice 2: applications that we receive so if there is other in our experience there has

[2:32:07] Voice 2: been some construction on the islands that wouldn't be referred unless we

[2:32:12] Voice 2: received a permit application so I would think that that is already happening to

[2:32:17] Voice 2: some extent all right

[2:32:19] Trustee Elliott: trustees what do you want to do

[2:32:30] Trustee Elliott: trustee elliott you're still thinking yeah i mean the referral response is that we don't

[2:32:38] Trustee Elliott: have enough information to make a to give a good referral response at this time yeah i can

[2:32:48] Trustee Elliott: and request that they already had engaged with their hippie residents particularly on the remote

[2:32:54] Trustee Elliott: and limited access properties but i think all of these um all of these major key changes are

[2:33:04] Trustee Elliott: will have some implications and and our you know residents are entitled to um speak to their

[2:33:11] Trustee Elliott: interests and how that might affect well

[2:33:14] Trustee Patrick: then you could do a resolution requesting

[2:33:18] Trustee Patrick: recommending they do the engagement and you were going to say

[2:33:22] Voice 12: here i'm just going to say that you could identify some of that information as well that's missing

[2:33:27] Voice 12: if you wanted to or even just your discussion has touched on some of those unintended

[2:33:31] Voice 12: intended consequences so you could identify those as well in your in your response to so that

[2:33:38] Voice 12: let the audience aware so it

[2:33:44] Voice 16: kind of boils down to let's say someone on one of the laptop

[2:33:48] Voice 16: islands decides to build a large castle which they do and so the building permit part we don't

[2:33:55] Voice 16: really care that much about that's their problem we're you know financing and insurance and all

[2:33:59] Voice 16: that but the part that we care about deeply is the effect on the land use effect on the

[2:34:06] Voice 16: environment and so the only way we get to see that and discuss that is when the building permit

[2:34:15] Voice 16: process happens right

[2:34:19] Voice 12: uh to the chair if there's a development permanent area then that's a it's

[2:34:24] Voice 12: have a trust permit requirement so those would occur prior to a building permit being issued

[2:34:30] Voice 12: sometimes they're identified through that that referral process

[2:34:33] Voice 12: okay so

[2:34:37] Voice 16: it's not always dependent on the billing inspection sorry

[2:34:40] Voice 16: no the

[2:34:43] Trustee Patrick: permanent referral process is an opportunity for stuff to catch something that may

[2:34:49] Trustee Patrick: and you know have been missed yeah

[2:34:51] Voice 16: well i still support this in principle i think these are really

[2:34:55] Voice 16: excellent um proposed recommendations to the building bylaw um and so really all i want is

[2:35:03] Voice 16: that that the rdn as you've already said you will do will engage with area b residents i just don't

[2:35:11] Voice 16: know how we can get more detail than that at this point okay i've got feelings like you go ahead

[2:35:16] Trustee Elliott: So, my motion would be that the Gabriel Local Trust Committee recommends that more work be undertaken to assess the implications for creating an optional permit pathway for remote and limited access properties,

[2:35:34] Trustee Elliott: B, that the RDN engage with Area B residents and landholders, and C, that otherwise it

[2:35:45] Trustee Elliott: supports the recommendations in proposed bylaw 1967.

[2:35:57] Trustee Elliott: So it sort of says that we would ask for more work to be undertaken.

[2:36:01] Trustee Elliott: how that is done is kind of the question like does do our staff um do we need to do surveys

[2:36:09] Trustee Elliott: do we need to have some conversations about what what are the additional protections and maybe

[2:36:14] Trustee Elliott: you know we've got an ocp review so perhaps different treatments for the associated islands

[2:36:22] Trustee Elliott: you know if this goes ahead it's possible no no but so that work is undertaken to assess

[2:36:29] Trustee Elliott: the implications on that optional permit pathway but they already engage with the area residents

[2:36:34] Trustee Elliott: and land holders on the proposed chain key changes but that otherwise supports the recommended um

[2:36:43] Trustee Elliott: recommended are we

[2:36:45] Voice 16: saying updates updates or changes to the building bylaw um proposed

[2:36:58] Trustee Elliott: You're used to much more formal meetings, you know, when you're like crafting a flyer.

[2:37:06] Trustee Patrick: Did you capture that?

[2:37:08] Trustee Patrick: Do

[2:37:09] Voice 3: you want to read back from Lisa?

[2:37:11] Voice 3: Sure.

[2:37:11] Voice 3: Go ahead.

[2:37:12] Voice 3: The Gabriel Miller Island Local Trust Committee recommends that more work be undertaken to

[2:37:17] Voice 3: assess the implications for creating an optional permit pathway that the Regional District

[2:37:22] Voice 3: to engage with Area B residents and landholders on proposed changes but otherwise supports proposed

[2:37:28] Voice 3: changes to by-law number 1967-2006. So

[2:37:35] Trustee Elliott: just a few suggestions. Adding on the optional permit

[2:37:40] Trustee Elliott: pathway for remote and limited access properties. That's the wording of that one.

[2:37:49] Trustee Elliott: and major limited remote and limited access properties but they already had engaged with

[2:37:57] Trustee Elliott: area b residents and landholders on the key changes but that otherwise supports the recommended

[2:38:03] Trustee Elliott: updates to the proposed building by law 1967.

[2:38:08] Voice 16: and when you say more work to be done do you need

[2:38:10] Voice 16: hours down more work needs to be done i

[2:38:16] Trustee Elliott: don't know why more work

[2:38:22] Trustee Patrick: needs to be done on the implications

[2:38:23] Trustee Patrick: implications or potential implication to assess the implications to assess the implications

[2:38:27] Trustee Patrick: so

[2:38:30] Voice 12: this this is a I'm mentioning this resolution to be a response to the river also

[2:38:36] Voice 12: this is to the

[2:38:37] Voice 12: original district of an idol yeah

[2:38:39] Trustee Patrick: that's what you're asking yeah

[2:38:40] Voice 12: that's not direction to staff

[2:38:42] Voice 12: just for clarity correct

[2:38:43] Trustee Patrick: yeah but you can assess the implications all right read that back one more

[2:38:53] Trustee Patrick: time the

[2:38:55] Voice 3: gabriel island local trust committee recommends that more work be i've been thinking

[2:39:00] Voice 3: to assess the invocations for creating an optional permit pathway for remote and limited

[2:39:05] Voice 3: exit properties that regional district of nanaimo engage with area new residents and landholders on

[2:39:10] Voice 3: key changes but otherwise supports recommended changes by recommending changes in bylaw number

[2:39:17] Voice 3: November 1967, 2026.

[2:39:21] Voice 16: Can we change the but to and?

[2:39:25] Trustee Patrick: Generally.

[2:39:25] Trustee Patrick: Maybe you want generally supports?

[2:39:27] Voice 7: Because

[2:39:28] Trustee Patrick: it sounds like we're not 100%.

[2:39:29] Trustee Patrick: Otherwise supports in principle?

[2:39:30] Trustee Patrick: No, no, because we do, it's more like the principle that we're supporting.

[2:39:34] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[2:39:35] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Elliott, you're thinking still.

[2:39:40] Trustee Patrick: Are you okay with that motion?

[2:39:45] Trustee Elliott: Yes, I think so.

[2:39:47] Trustee Elliott: All

[2:39:47] Trustee Patrick: right, you're making the motion?

[2:39:49] Trustee Patrick: I guess.

[2:39:50] Trustee Patrick: As read.

[2:39:50] Trustee Patrick: and are you seconding i'll second five ah trusty any discussion difficult

[2:39:58] Trustee Elliott: difficult difficult

[2:40:01] Trustee Patrick: unintended consequences my least favorite words in land use planning

[2:40:05] Trustee Patrick: okay uh if there's no further

[2:40:08] Trustee Patrick: discussion i'll call the vote all those in favor and that carries

[2:40:12] Voice 16: all right we need a break and

[2:40:16] Voice 16: thank you, Lexi, for your help. Thank you for your patience.

[2:40:22] Voice 7: All right. Thank you. Have a good day.

[3:07:45] Voice 7: with these yeah this is very salt to bring us thank you um all right

[3:08:05] Trustee Patrick: well thank you we're back

[3:08:06] Trustee Patrick: from our break we're going to proceed we're in item 10.1 on the agenda which is the major project

[3:08:13] Trustee Patrick: with the gabriel island comprehensive ocp and land use bylaw um project and it begins on page

[3:08:21] Trustee Patrick: 305 of the agenda package and i think this is going to be over to uh planner chadwick

[3:08:27] Trustee Patrick: Thank you, Chair Patrick.

[3:08:30] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, so I am excited to share the draft OCP, which has been

[3:08:38] Trustee Elliott: a number of years of work now that involves many, many members of the community from

[3:08:45] Trustee Elliott: the visioning process a couple of years ago to much more focused dialogue around specific

[3:08:53] Trustee Elliott: specific interests. We've had a lot of different types of engagement through this process and

[3:08:59] Trustee Elliott: we've had many different people come out. As staff, we've learned a lot from the community

[3:09:04] Trustee Elliott: about this community and about the interests of this community. So it's really nice to

[3:09:10] Trustee Elliott: be able to share all of those ideas put together into a draft. And I will mention the draft.

[3:09:18] Trustee Elliott: The draft works off a lot of what we've heard, and it also works off of the previous as well,

[3:09:27] Trustee Elliott: so there are some holdovers that you may catch in there as well.

[3:09:31] Trustee Elliott: But it is out now for comments before we go to a formal first reading so that all the

[3:09:38] Trustee Elliott: interesting issues and things that might not make sense are pointed out, things that might

[3:09:46] Trustee Elliott: need to be considered to be changed um we're absolutely open to other comments um uh we did

[3:09:53] Trustee Elliott: have a a comment about one of the maps which we just pulled over from the laptop cpu which

[3:09:58] Trustee Elliott: interestingly had not been updated so there are these little things that protected areas

[3:10:02] Trustee Elliott: yeah yeah yeah well and that's curious to us because we just assume that what's in there

[3:10:08] Trustee Elliott: is the update that looks probably previous so there are there are these things and we know

[3:10:13] Trustee Elliott: that different people have different lenses and so that's why um it's really useful to have it um

[3:10:17] Trustee Elliott: all out for the public uh community to have a look really so um there's a few things i uh um

[3:10:28] Trustee Elliott: we've got so there's two resolutions um one is to put the because we also want to send the ocp

[3:10:36] Trustee Elliott: out for further uh referral to all interested uh organizations agencies and first nations

[3:10:44] Trustee Elliott: um we've we've tweaked the project charter just slightly really when you have a look at it we had

[3:10:49] Trustee Elliott: um um anticipated first reading a little earlier so we pushed that to the july meeting um which

[3:10:57] Trustee Elliott: was which we've already changed but most

[3:10:59] Trustee Patrick: specifically we've moved to the land use bylaw

[3:11:02] Trustee Patrick: bylaw readings to after the OCP second

[3:11:05] Trustee Elliott: reading, which just makes a lot more sense in case

[3:11:08] Trustee Elliott: things change with the OCP. I mean, we are working on that, on the land use bylaw consistency

[3:11:16] Trustee Elliott: already, but we want to make sure that what we present is going to be in line with where

[3:11:24] Trustee Elliott: to OCP to end up. I wanted to add another resolution to the list of recommendations.

[3:11:33] Trustee Elliott: We did have a chance to prepare the draft with our CINEMA colleagues, staff colleagues,

[3:11:40] Trustee Elliott: and they provided us with a recommendation related to the acknowledgement section. They

[3:11:54] Trustee Elliott: connection to the land more clearly articulated so it provided some um we're going to be working

[3:12:01] Trustee Elliott: with them to pull out a paragraph possibly working with um uh apparently we might be

[3:12:06] Trustee Elliott: able to take something straight from elder joe one of your books to right which are on my place

[3:12:12] Trustee Elliott: that's great yeah

[3:12:13] Trustee Elliott: i can have a look at that so um

[3:12:15] Voice 16: i've added uh

[3:12:16] Trustee Elliott: another resolution which i've sent

[3:12:17] Trustee Elliott: to you ahead of time and at least lisa has that the uh the gabriel ltc request staff work with the

[3:12:23] Trustee Elliott: the CNAMIC staff to develop a more appropriate acknowledgement of CNAMIC's connection to

[3:12:28] Trustee Elliott: Gabriel Ellis Island in Section 1.22 prior to sending out the referral to the OCP. So

[3:12:35] Trustee Elliott: this is going to be done fairly quickly, because we do want to get those referrals out so that

[3:12:40] Trustee Elliott: by September, we have had our referral agencies and First Nations have had adequate time over

[3:12:48] Trustee Elliott: three months to review and provide their input. There were a few things that came up at the

[3:12:56] Trustee Elliott: previous meeting that I just sort of included in the, a few things that have come up since then

[3:13:03] Trustee Elliott: that I wanted to just provide some comment on as requested by the LTC. So one of those was

[3:13:16] Trustee Elliott: was the population. There were some questions about population

[3:13:18] Trustee Elliott: productions.

[3:13:19] Voice 3: And, you know, there are a number of ways to do

[3:13:23] Voice 3: population projections, and what was provided

[3:13:25] Trustee Elliott: to the community.

[3:13:28] Trustee Elliott: I think was September, November presentation were fairly

[3:13:33] Trustee Elliott: preliminary, we we've looked at some other ways of calculating

[3:13:39] Trustee Elliott: that production. And that's in the review now have a revised

[3:13:43] Trustee Elliott: in the community context section of the report, but I'll also focus, like we also have a housing

[3:13:50] Trustee Elliott: needs report that has population projections, but they are based on sort of a regional step

[3:13:56] Trustee Elliott: down approach, which considers the whole region's growth patterns, which is, it's not necessarily

[3:14:03] Trustee Elliott: the best way to calculate population growth for the island.

[3:14:07] Trustee Elliott: So I think the thing to keep in mind with this is that this OCP is not predicated on any particular estimation of population growth.

[3:14:18] Trustee Elliott: It does consider the fact that the population is growing and that the existing housing needs are not being met.

[3:14:28] Trustee Elliott: So there's a need to shift how housing is provided.

[3:14:32] Trustee Elliott: And that tends to be, that is a reality across the Jones Trust.

[3:14:40] Trustee Elliott: The Gabriel Enterprise Report was sort of provided to staff after the last meeting and we had a look at it.

[3:14:49] Trustee Elliott: It proposes an enterprise zone. Is that something that trustees want to think about or consider?

[3:14:57] Trustee Elliott: It would require looking at, in terms of the OCP, if you want to be looking at a different

[3:15:02] Trustee Elliott: type of designation, the area to designate, if you have an area in mind, something we

[3:15:07] Trustee Elliott: can consider as part of the OCP process.

[3:15:09] Trustee Elliott: Otherwise, I see it maybe being more of a land use bylaw focus within England.

[3:15:15] Trustee Elliott: So if there's something

[3:15:16] Trustee Elliott: outside of existing people, then we

[3:15:18] Trustee Elliott: could look at it as part of

[3:15:19] Trustee Elliott: the OCP process.

[3:15:21] Voice 16: Yeah, just on that issue, Planner Chabot.

[3:15:24] Voice 16: It was interesting to get that report. I would consider all of the descriptions of businesses

[3:15:32] Voice 16: in the enterprise report pretty much industrial, commercial, and I'm guessing that if an application

[3:15:44] Voice 16: were to come to us with descriptions of some sort of enterprise that we haven't seen before,

[3:15:51] Voice 16: for unless it was already in an industrial refilled area,

[3:15:56] Voice 16: it would probably require a rezone.

[3:15:59] Voice 16: Yeah, because it's really hard to envisage

[3:16:02] Voice 16: more industrial commercial areas in places

[3:16:04] Voice 16: where we don't think that they might now

[3:16:06] Voice 16: or where people haven't.

[3:16:08] Voice 16: So it's a bit of a process and a project.

[3:16:11] Voice 16: There's a big background information paper for me

[3:16:15] Voice 16: to keep in mind.

[3:16:17] Voice 16: But when we're looking at industrial and commercial

[3:16:20] Voice 16: commercial areas. I think our planning staff already have the best ideas for where those should go.

[3:16:29] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, so it would really be either a rezoning application or a project. Yeah. So yeah, so I would I would say like, at this point, we're not in a position to be able to get that as far as this goes.

[3:16:43] Trustee Elliott: yeah

[3:16:44] Voice 16: i felt i felt as reading it through it i felt like well this is really good that the

[3:16:48] Voice 16: community is all behind some of these interesting possible enterprises and probably i would be

[3:16:54] Voice 16: behind them too not necessarily as a trustee but as a citizen yeah yeah yeah it

[3:16:59] Trustee Elliott: was an interesting

[3:17:00] Trustee Elliott: report um lots of value there for sure um i wanted to provide you with a couple of updates

[3:17:09] Trustee Elliott: So one is that we didn't move to the, we didn't move successfully through the funding application

[3:17:16] Trustee Elliott: process for, with the real estate foundation for the archaeological overview assessment.

[3:17:23] Trustee Elliott: We are in conversation with SMAILC right now to look at what other options there may be.

[3:17:29] Trustee Elliott: So that conversation is happening.

[3:17:31] Trustee Elliott: The other conversation we're having with them is whether there's pockets of funding that are

[3:17:41] Trustee Elliott: potentially available to them that they're exploring. But there's also a possibility of

[3:17:48] Trustee Elliott: scaling back into that specific area. So we're in the conversation right now with them to see

[3:17:53] Trustee Elliott: how can we best use the money that's been allocated for them to be able to get the

[3:17:59] Trustee Elliott: get the information that they're, they're really wanting to make sure that they have a good sense of where the arc history on the other thing is we so as part of this project we have been emphasizing throughout that we're not creating new development

[3:18:17] Trustee Elliott: the permit areas because those are the large projects into themselves essentially. But one

[3:18:22] Trustee Elliott: thing that has come up a lot through this process is how outdated the steep slope mapping is.

[3:18:29] Trustee Elliott: So we did have some new steep slope map mapping for updated steep slope mapping from the province

[3:18:38] Trustee Elliott: recently, and so we didn't include a potential re-identification of those CPA boundaries

[3:18:51] Trustee Elliott: based on the newer CXO information. So in this case, it's very clear we've got the data,

[3:19:01] Trustee Elliott: and it's just a matter of putting the more recent data on the map as opposed to the old

[3:19:07] Trustee Elliott: and outdated data yeah so how does the province collect that data is it lighter is it um and so

[3:19:17] Trustee Elliott: when is the data set like generally some

[3:19:20] Voice 12: of the sense it is all at our data that it's based on

[3:19:24] Voice 12: and this was in particular for you all i think it was 2023 or 2024 that um that this mapping

[3:19:32] Voice 12: that you see attached to the OCP and the staff report reflects.

[3:19:37] Trustee Elliott: And will we request that for the province?

[3:19:41] Voice 12: It's open. So yeah, the province is doing it for, I don't know if they've covered the entire

[3:19:46] Voice 12: province at this point, but for at least much of the province and it's just open,

[3:19:51] Voice 12: openly available online.

[3:19:53] Trustee Elliott: So we can assume it's much more accurate than our current mapping? Okay.

[3:19:59] Voice 12: If I could just add to the current mapping, there is a challenge with it in terms of digitizing it.

[3:20:05] Voice 12: We've done that a little bit, but it is kind of a translation of that existing Schedule C,

[3:20:15] Voice 12: which if you've looked at it, it pretty well looks like a sharpie on the mapping.

[3:20:21] Voice 12: So this helps that mapping become more accessible to property owners as well, because they can then look at MapNet, for example, and see it instead of the existing, which is just in a PDF format.

[3:20:37] Voice 16: That's great.

[3:20:39] Voice 16: No changes to the right area?

[3:20:43] Voice 3: No, we haven't done any.

[3:20:45] Voice 3: Because that was another

[3:20:47] Voice 16: provincial initiative.

[3:20:48] Trustee Elliott: yeah that would

[3:20:48] Trustee Elliott: be it yeah that would be another thing that would be another step

[3:20:52] Trustee Elliott: well

[3:20:53] Voice 16: no i just say i bring that up because the steep slopes was a provincial initiative

[3:20:57] Voice 16: and so was the riparian which we don't we have the updated we wouldn't do the same thing but we

[3:21:02] Voice 16: don't have

[3:21:03] Trustee Elliott: updated yeah a big question thanks okay so those are the things yeah yeah so um

[3:21:14] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, so really, you

[3:21:17] Voice 3: know, we're going to be having the meeting this evening.

[3:21:22] Voice 3: I'm just going to be, and I'll provide you with that presentation ahead of time so you can see it.

[3:21:27] Voice 3: But basically

[3:21:27] Trustee Elliott: what we were hoping is to introduce the OCP, be really clear on what an OCP is and what an OCP does.

[3:21:37] Trustee Elliott: And how the OCP has reflected the values that have come out of the community.

[3:21:42] Trustee Elliott: So those are the key things that we're going to introduce and then keep the conversation with the staff very short so that we can entertain questions about the OCP in hopes that any misinformation around what's contained in the OCP, we can address that straight off the bat.

[3:22:07] Trustee Elliott: And I guess I've identified, you know, there's some sort of highlights, I guess, we've created

[3:22:14] Trustee Elliott: an OCP structure that is easy to understand and easy to follow, which is not what we can

[3:22:22] Trustee Elliott: say of a lot of the OCPs in the Islands Trust.

[3:22:25] Trustee Elliott: We have done this by separating the key pieces.

[3:22:30] Trustee Elliott: pieces, what we've often seen in Gabriela's OCP and in other OCPs is a mixture of context,

[3:22:43] Trustee Elliott: designation, basically the context of a theme, the designations that are related to that,

[3:22:53] Trustee Elliott: what can happen in those designations, and then what do you do if you want to be resounding.

[3:22:57] Trustee Elliott: and that's all mushed together all the way through the OCP. In this case we've separated it out,

[3:23:03] Trustee Elliott: so we have the front and we have the context which also includes the vision and the values,

[3:23:09] Trustee Elliott: we have the designations which is basically what can you put where, so in each designation what is

[3:23:18] Trustee Elliott: allowed, what is allowed right now, or what will be allowed as a result of this OCP, and then what

[3:23:23] Trustee Elliott: what needs to be considered if you're going to change it. And all of that information has been

[3:23:31] Trustee Elliott: aligned with values. So the considerations for

[3:23:37] Trustee Elliott: indigenous interests or this for environmental protection are these things. And so that's how we

[3:23:42] Trustee Elliott: sort of separated those things so it can really be really easily understood and easily followed

[3:23:49] Trustee Elliott: and easily used. And the density question is one that's kind of come up when I'm talking

[3:23:56] Trustee Elliott: about density is additional units that are permitted. So we talked about the build up

[3:24:02] Trustee Elliott: before. So the build up of the island is how many units are permitted based on existing

[3:24:12] Trustee Elliott: bylaws. In this case, what we've done looking at removing the potential to subdivide outright

[3:24:19] Trustee Elliott: removes the ability or outright or more primary units, so we focus more on the secondary or accessories smaller is for rental opportunities and when you look through and then the other thing we've looked at is really focusing on.

[3:24:38] Trustee Elliott: On any initial density happening outside of the freshwater hazard area so when you look at.

[3:24:45] Trustee Elliott: at what results, we're only looking at the addition of about 80 units permitted above

[3:24:54] Trustee Elliott: what's currently allowed. And that is all that would all be because of secondary rental

[3:25:02] Trustee Elliott: or smaller, kind of more accessible to units. So those

[3:25:06] Trustee Elliott: are the kind of the high level things.

[3:25:07] Trustee Elliott: Anyway, I'll leave it at this point for questions you might have about the OCP and our approach

[3:25:15] Trustee Elliott: the process our process from from this point onward yeah

[3:25:20] Voice 16: hold on thank you planner chapik

[3:25:22] Voice 16: it says about 83 about 83. well yeah yeah so i said

[3:25:26] Voice 16: i've said it really helpful

[3:25:28] Trustee Elliott: yeah and now

[3:25:28] Trustee Elliott: i'm saying 80 to 90 because there's always like that little possible thing where you might have

[3:25:33] Trustee Elliott: missed talented one or two yeah yeah yeah

[3:25:36] Voice 16: and that's a really important question for many

[3:25:39] Voice 16: gabriel lenses build up yeah so that's super helpful i just have a couple of other really

[3:25:45] Voice 16: really quick questions you did mention earlier that a legal review is kind of ongoing so it's

[3:25:51] Voice 16: not one big legal review it's as things are dealt with it gets looked at by that's

[3:25:57] Trustee Elliott: that's right yeah

[3:25:58] Trustee Elliott: when there are particular things we meet in need of legal review like the subdivision

[3:26:04] Trustee Elliott: policies was one thing that we did send it to legal and and there's still a little bit of

[3:26:10] Trustee Elliott: review happening around that and there are other things that that we have any uncertainty around

[3:26:14] Trustee Elliott: legally. We do also have our director,

[3:26:20] Voice 3: Dr. Marler, who is very, very,

[3:26:26] Trustee Elliott: very good at ensuring

[3:26:27] Trustee Elliott: that our policies align with the legislation. So we have him as a reviewer as well.

[3:26:34] Voice 16: Okay, great. Just two more questions. So when you get some, like an email or information from

[3:26:41] Voice 16: from somebody that says, oh, you missed this protected area.

[3:26:45] Voice 16: And it is that do you try to add that right away after checking, of course,

[3:26:51] Voice 16: to the map or are you like, yes, what right now?

[3:26:55] Trustee Elliott: Our process is we receive all the emails and we have a list.

[3:27:01] Trustee Elliott: And so we create a create a list, like things like that.

[3:27:04] Trustee Elliott: Like there's an inaccuracy.

[3:27:06] Trustee Elliott: Yes, those are possible.

[3:27:09] Trustee Elliott: any inaccuracies we will

[3:27:10] Trustee Elliott: address right away

[3:27:13] Trustee Elliott: before there's

[3:27:14] Trustee Elliott: another

[3:27:15] Trustee Elliott: draft

[3:27:18] Trustee Elliott: created so I mean

[3:27:21] Trustee Elliott: you know with mapping

[3:27:22] Trustee Elliott: and stuff it takes a bit of time so whether we'll have

[3:27:24] Trustee Elliott: that update I can't give you the timing

[3:27:26] Trustee Elliott: on that sort of thing but certainly

[3:27:28] Trustee Elliott: inaccuracies are something that we

[3:27:29] Trustee Elliott: are top of the list for us to address

[3:27:32] Trustee Elliott: I

[3:27:32] Voice 16: definitely appreciate that and only one

[3:27:34] Voice 16: more which is not maybe an inaccuracy

[3:27:36] Voice 16: but since the very beginning of this process we've been talking about the dark sky principles

[3:27:42] Voice 16: both for the plus policy statement and for our official community plan and someone sent us an

[3:27:49] Voice 16: email yesterday i think saying where is it and i know i've had conversations with quite a few

[3:27:55] Voice 16: residents and we have a dark sky chapter on gabriola now so they're really going to be

[3:28:01] Voice 16: watching for this too and so something like that is just like a general statement about trying to

[3:28:07] Voice 16: shield lights and you know deflect them and whatever and i know i've talked to planner bob

[3:28:12] Voice 16: about this in the past about you know we can't do that for residential things but we can definitely

[3:28:18] Voice 16: do it for village commercial and shoreline and that kind of thing so i'm hoping that will not

[3:28:24] Voice 16: be missed even as a statement in the OCP and then of course translate it to the land use pilot.

[3:28:31] Trustee Elliott: Yeah it actually is captured in the OCP it was more explicitly as a so one of the things that

[3:28:37] Trustee Elliott: we tried to do with this OCP is to make it very focused on the things that we can do

[3:28:41] Trustee Elliott: and put in the most in the most appropriate ways that we're able to do this and so with respect

[3:28:50] Trustee Elliott: and it's interesting too because like there are some policies we sort of threw in and then

[3:28:54] Trustee Elliott: colleagues kind of picked them up and said well with this one in particular there was an explicit

[3:28:59] Trustee Elliott: policy in one of the drafts and then that was picked out and said well that's actually an mdpa

[3:29:04] Trustee Elliott: for commercial so um that's where it's living right now and yeah it was more general and we

[3:29:12] Trustee Elliott: can have a look at that if you just want a general statement that's possible but it but again you

[3:29:17] Trustee Elliott: know we've tried to focus on things that we can actually uh that we can actually enforce and in

[3:29:23] Trustee Elliott: the ways that we're able to impact it of course so question on those yeah well

[3:29:30] Voice 12: i can just i just

[3:29:32] Voice 12: i've done a quick word search of the draft ocp and there are two policies one one relating to

[3:29:38] Voice 12: the multi-unit residential designation and the other to the village commercial and both of them

[3:29:42] Voice 12: are similar which essentially are stating that um red lights are discouraged and that the dpa

[3:29:50] Voice 12: guidelines should should be established to protect our skies okay

[3:29:55] Voice 16: I'm worried

[3:29:56] Voice 16: about this because I think we need an overriding statement

[3:30:00] Voice 16: And I'm going to look for it, because it doesn't have to be, it just needs to be a statement about how we support dark sky, or the dark sky principles, because it also applies to shoreline, you know, warps and docks and things like that, where marine creatures have to have a shot at night sky in order to navigate and do all the things they do.

[3:30:18] Voice 16: do. So also, we've already been told that we don't have any funding to do DPAs. All

[3:30:25] Voice 16: we have is just the existing DPA. So we can't even enhance the DPAs that we already have

[3:30:31] Voice 16: or create new DPAs. I'm really worried about that because that's where the protection comes

[3:30:36] Voice 16: in is with DPAs. So I do believe we need a statement about supporting dark sky principles

[3:30:44] Voice 16: principles in the OCP as a general statement, even if it doesn't mean we can do it everywhere,

[3:30:51] Voice 16: it just means that we support that principle.

[3:30:56] Voice 7: Yep, you

[3:30:57] Trustee Elliott: know, that is a pleasant statement.

[3:30:59] Trustee Elliott: I mean, it's very tricky because we are trying to not have policies that, there are certain

[3:31:10] Trustee Elliott: educational policies that we have in here, promote community awareness, you know, encourage

[3:31:17] Trustee Elliott: this promote that so but they have no enforceable mechanism so that's that's what we're trying to

[3:31:27] Trustee Elliott: articulate is what is in or how it is to enforce versus um is it even useful to have it in if it's

[3:31:37] Trustee Elliott: just a statement of we should be doing this or we're encouraged to do that like and where would

[3:31:44] Trustee Elliott: that go i agree with you is it's of value but outside the form and character or the moment

[3:31:52] Trustee Elliott: you know

[3:31:55] Voice 16: where it comes you know where we see the value is when we do get an application

[3:31:58] Voice 16: and it does it does address something like lighting and not having and not interrupting

[3:32:07] Voice 16: a dark sky is then we can say oh well this is nice because it also aligns with this statement

[3:32:14] Voice 16: we have in our OCP. And it doesn't have to be like something that we can absolutely enforce.

[3:32:20] Voice 16: It just needs to be a statement that we believe is important going forward as a guiding principle.

[3:32:29] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, but where would that go?

[3:32:32] Voice 16: Oh, I'm not sure where it goes yet, but I want it in the OCP somewhere other than development

[3:32:36] Voice 16: permit areas, which we're, you know, a little short on.

[3:32:43] Voice 16: Where do you think it can go all the I haven't I haven't

[3:32:46] Trustee Elliott: I mean, I think we put it in a general

[3:32:49] Trustee Elliott: and then we've been learning these policies, but

[3:32:51] Voice 7: yeah, are

[3:33:01] Trustee Patrick: there any other high

[3:33:03] Trustee Elliott: level comments

[3:33:04] Trustee Elliott: since this is so yeah, just back to the process and what kind of feedback you're looking for

[3:33:10] Trustee Elliott: or from the community as you present tonight.

[3:33:17] Trustee Elliott: Are we looking for detailed feedback?

[3:33:21] Trustee Elliott: I do not think this objective, da, da, da, da.

[3:33:25] Trustee Elliott: We're not looking for detailed feedback.

[3:33:27] Trustee Elliott: We have got a North,

[3:33:30] Trustee Elliott: detailed feedback can be sent to Northinfo

[3:33:33] Trustee Elliott: and it's better that way for us as well

[3:33:35] Trustee Elliott: because this is a information meeting

[3:33:38] Trustee Elliott: so we're not doing detailed minutes

[3:33:40] Trustee Elliott: of course we will be tracking

[3:33:42] Trustee Elliott: questions and making sure that we

[3:33:44] Trustee Elliott: address

[3:33:45] Trustee Elliott: whatever is up

[3:33:46] Trustee Elliott: but in terms of providing detailed feedback

[3:33:50] Trustee Elliott: that's the best way

[3:33:52] Trustee Elliott: to do that for the community

[3:33:53] Trustee Elliott: would be to send an email

[3:33:56] Trustee Elliott: to northinfo

[3:33:57] Trustee Elliott: at islandstrust.bc.ca

[3:34:00] Trustee Elliott: and we've got that

[3:34:02] Trustee Elliott: on the website

[3:34:02] Trustee Elliott: and we've got that

[3:34:04] Trustee Elliott: in some of the materials that have been sent out

[3:34:07] Trustee Elliott: the meeting and then it'll also be articulated at the meeting as well and um we do have you know

[3:34:14] Trustee Elliott: make sure that that information is is is really clear and in all the places it needs to be so

[3:34:19] Trustee Elliott: that people know how to provide information for their input i

[3:34:24] Trustee Patrick: guess well so you were just talking

[3:34:27] Trustee Patrick: about things to be captured in the table if it's if it's an error that needs to be corrected you're

[3:34:32] Trustee Patrick: going to do that yes if

[3:34:34] Trustee Patrick: it's a like i think it should have a night sky statement in there

[3:34:38] Trustee Patrick: then that's going to be captured differently. It comes back for a choice to this local trust

[3:34:42] Trustee Patrick: committee. Correct, yeah. So what will happen is those sorts of things

[3:34:46] Trustee Elliott: will come back to the LTC.

[3:34:49] Trustee Elliott: There'll be a list of things that'll come back to the LTC if there are changes and then you make

[3:34:57] Trustee Elliott: decisions about whether you want to incorporate those things. Or it'll be a redlined draft so

[3:35:05] Trustee Elliott: that you can see. Do we have an extra administrative assistant to deal with all the deluge of correspondence

[3:35:11] Trustee Elliott: you're going to get? Oh we do not.

[3:35:16] Voice 16: There's going to be feedback. We need to hire that wonderful

[3:35:19] Voice 16: be the change group like coding and plug-in and I just think they did an amazing job

[3:35:27] Voice 16: on the trust policy statement. I was so pleased with how they organized their work. Yeah.

[3:35:35] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, we have money. I mean, one of the things we do provide a bit of guidance in the companion document around providing feedback that the feedback that is most useful is that the feedback that's specific, that people can identify specific policies, that is very helpful.

[3:35:54] Trustee Elliott: And we've got this wonderful, I'm saying wonderful, number of systems because it's very different

[3:36:04] Trustee Elliott: than our other post-analyse.

[3:36:06] Trustee Elliott: We can actually direct folks to very specific policies because this is thanks to our planning

[3:36:15] Trustee Elliott: assistant in the south office, Emily.

[3:36:18] Trustee Elliott: She's saying that the whole system.

[3:36:20] Trustee Elliott: So again, question about the feedback.

[3:36:23] Trustee Elliott: um in the project charter you have well originally we had public engagements review of draft language

[3:36:30] Trustee Elliott: from april to june now we're in may end of may um and so really there's just like not even two

[3:36:40] Trustee Elliott: weeks for people to give this kind of constructive feedback before we compile a first reading for

[3:36:47] Trustee Elliott: july like i want to know actual people are going to want to know actual deadlines like

[3:36:52] Trustee Elliott: oh yeah well we've got like we've got like a

[3:36:56] Trustee Patrick: about a month really yeah yeah

[3:36:59] Trustee Patrick: well that's just

[3:37:00] Trustee Patrick: prefer i mean first reading is also officially still collecting information so it's not like

[3:37:06] Trustee Patrick: yeah

[3:37:06] Trustee Elliott: but correcting those errors and you know sort of big picture stuff like i have a question

[3:37:12] Trustee Elliott: about whether the vision statement as written is going to resonate with the community what is the

[3:37:19] Trustee Elliott: mechanism by which uh they can give feedback on that well we actually have had a process

[3:37:28] Trustee Elliott: um around the vision when uh

[3:37:31] Voice 3: back when we were doing the vision and values we never published

[3:37:34] Trustee Elliott: a vision, a final

[3:37:36] Trustee Elliott: a final vision, okay

[3:37:38] Trustee Elliott: right, okay

[3:37:40] Voice 7: so

[3:37:41] Trustee Elliott: this is a very

[3:37:43] Trustee Elliott: wordy

[3:37:44] Trustee Elliott: I have reviewed it but I

[3:37:47] Trustee Elliott: you know, we could have a much

[3:37:49] Trustee Elliott: more pithy

[3:37:50] Trustee Elliott: this is who we are

[3:37:52] Trustee Elliott: if there's any wordsmiths out there

[3:37:55] Trustee Elliott: who have the magic

[3:37:56] Trustee Elliott: please don't send us AI

[3:37:58] Trustee Elliott: slop

[3:37:59] Trustee Elliott: oh my god

[3:38:02] Trustee Elliott: let's not like

[3:38:03] Voice 1: if you have a

[3:38:04] Trustee Elliott: very talented writer you can just build this we need to just build this

[3:38:09] Trustee Elliott: statement into like who are we like it's trying to be everything and i get that we're trying to

[3:38:14] Trustee Elliott: capture but i think that needs work so i have a few high level comments if i could run through them

[3:38:24] Trustee Elliott: um so i thought i saw a definition section yeah at the end okay in the appendix

[3:38:32] Trustee Elliott: So we put

[3:38:33] Trustee Elliott: definitions in the appendix, because the appendix piece is not part of the official OCP, so anything in the appendix can be changed without having to go through the whole OCP review, or go through the minister and all that.

[3:38:49] Trustee Elliott: Sorry, can you tell me what, I did see it, but it's not in many appendixes.

[3:38:54] Trustee Elliott: It's not in our document, is it?

[3:38:56] Voice 12: It's 428, so we need to get that.

[3:39:00] Voice 12: What do you mean?

[3:39:01] Voice 12: 10-429.

[3:39:01] Voice 12: it ah

[3:39:03] Trustee Elliott: definitions right okay i mean i think we can we'll need a few more like community benefits

[3:39:13] Trustee Elliott: so this is one of the things that how are we i think we're going to have feedback on this so

[3:39:19] Trustee Elliott: if the significant changes are moving subdivision potential so that it's rezoning for community

[3:39:25] Trustee Elliott: benefit what is that how is that defined what's the criteria um that's one of the things

[3:39:34] Trustee Elliott: then light industrial use policy uh two four two five one like for any of these notes these are

[3:39:46] Trustee Elliott: just early yeah but significant noise vibration odor emissions like that's a very subjective

[3:39:54] Trustee Elliott: metric heavy use heavy truck traffic like depends on the road um is it on stalker road that we've

[3:40:03] Trustee Elliott: been hearing is you know 100 cars coming back from the park um so i think the kind of considerations

[3:40:10] Trustee Elliott: like the qualifiers for light industrial use or industrial uses is quite important because people

[3:40:18] Trustee Elliott: we have had issues with people conducting basically industrial or commercial level activity on lots that are, you know, residential and there's a huge impact. So,

[3:40:33] Trustee Elliott: and I am a little bit confused as to whether industrial or light industrial would be permitted at all.

[3:40:42] Trustee Elliott: Because there was

[3:40:45] Trustee Elliott: If you have an industrial zone though.

[3:40:49] Trustee Elliott: yeah like

[3:40:50] Voice 16: an enterprise zone yeah an industrial zone that's where it makes sense to put your light

[3:40:56] Voice 16: or even heavy industry is in a place on the island where you have determined that that is an okay

[3:41:02] Voice 16: place for an industrial zone there might not be one but there may be so

[3:41:09] Trustee Elliott: and then i have another

[3:41:11] Trustee Elliott: question you know something of mineral and aggregate resources is not permitted unless

[3:41:16] Trustee Elliott: it's fun to be exclusively for local use that's two four two eight one if we don't have jurisdiction

[3:41:23] Trustee Elliott: over permitting activities how do we how can we direct what aggregate resources are used for

[3:41:30] Trustee Elliott: who the buyers are i mean i would love to that was our very first trust me i'd love to require

[3:41:36] Trustee Elliott: yeah but we were told that's not possible yeah

[3:41:39] Trustee Patrick: yeah well that's something that we're looking

[3:41:41] Trustee Patrick: into because that was in the previous one so that was like i was like let's just keep this

[3:41:44] Trustee Patrick: I like

[3:41:46] Voice 16: because that came up at the very beginning of our term yeah it came up and can we do this

[3:41:52] Voice 16: and we actually asked if we could do that and it appeared that we can't but I

[3:41:57] Trustee Elliott: think we should leave

[3:41:57] Trustee Elliott: it in there another definition would be the soil issue how do we define soil uh prohibiting the

[3:42:04] Trustee Elliott: removal of soil disposition of soil moving soil I mean there is a huge informal trucking industry

[3:42:10] Trustee Elliott: on Gabriel that removes woody debris. Nobody, I don't think, wants a soil permit and deposit

[3:42:18] Trustee Elliott: by law, but we really need to consider how do we define soil, you know, what is it used

[3:42:26] Trustee Elliott: for, and there is a very large cottage industry of removing woody soils, which in some ways

[3:42:34] Trustee Elliott: it's good to keep it on the island, but in other ways it's not so good for us. So when

[3:42:42] Trustee Patrick: But I mean, you can have a policy that says you could consider a soil removal by-law.

[3:42:48] Trustee Patrick: It doesn't mean you have to have one in your land use by-law.

[3:42:50] Trustee Patrick: If you have a policy that just enables it.

[3:42:53] Trustee Elliott: We

[3:42:53] Trustee Patrick: need an enabling policy.

[3:42:55] Trustee Patrick: We

[3:42:55] Trustee Elliott: haven't had a by-law in the roof.

[3:42:58] Trustee Elliott: Do we need one?

[3:42:59] Voice 11: Do I believe you need a soil by-law?

[3:43:01] Voice 11: Yes.

[3:43:02] Voice 11: I believe

[3:43:02] Voice 11: every island, low-trust area needs a soil by-law to regulate

[3:43:07] Voice 11: these issues.

[3:43:08] Voice 11: You

[3:43:08] Trustee Patrick: just need an enabling policy. It doesn't mean you have to do it right now.

[3:43:12] Trustee Elliott: Okay, that will come up.

[3:43:13] Trustee Elliott: The other big, I think, area of concern that we need to look at is the extraction of water for sale.

[3:43:22] Trustee Elliott: So you have a suggested policy 24292, the commercial sale of ground water released outside the mine area should not be permitted.

[3:43:32] Trustee Elliott: Again, we can't regulate what food water is sold to.

[3:43:39] Trustee Elliott: There is, you know, there are bulk water processing and sale bylaws that Comox-Trekona Regional District has done this to ensure that the activity is supported through a public hearing process.

[3:43:58] Trustee Elliott: And with the correct zoning.

[3:44:00] Trustee Elliott: And with the correct zoning. And so we have a legacy TEP, temporary use permit, for water sales only on lots two hectares or larger, but there's a lot of unintended consequences with allowing bulk water sales through TEP and then that don't go through the zoning process or continue the use.

[3:44:23] Trustee Elliott: So I think this is an area that really needs to be looked at, is what would we ever want

[3:44:29] Trustee Elliott: to allow the commercial sale of groundwater?

[3:44:33] Trustee Elliott: Can we restrict it to just on island?

[3:44:36] Trustee Elliott: Should we be considering TUPs for that use?

[3:44:40] Trustee Elliott: Should there be a process for rezoning for bulk water processing and there was no mention

[3:44:45] Trustee Elliott: of where, like in respect of the groundwater or the freshwater hazard mapping, it should

[3:44:53] Trustee Elliott: definitely be restricted to where they're at.

[3:44:56] Trustee Elliott: And I would support actually a bulk water

[3:45:01] Trustee Elliott: commercial operation, let's just say. Like it makes way more sense to have water drawn where

[3:45:06] Trustee Elliott: we have it on islands moved into people's cisterns rather than trucking water on from an IMO.

[3:45:13] Trustee Patrick: Did you have a comment earlier? I

[3:45:16] Voice 12: did earlier and if it's okay just a couple of comments. One

[3:45:22] Voice 12: relating to the aggregate extraction the type the heading is extraction which may be confusing but

[3:45:28] Voice 12: that of 2.4.2.7 uh but the policy is related to processing and that's distinct from extraction

[3:45:37] Voice 12: and that's where maybe there's a that ability to trust the regulation um so just wanted to

[3:45:44] Voice 12: point that out and the other comment is just about definitions generally and we haven't fairly

[3:45:49] Voice 12: fairly selective I think in terms of the number of definitions you're providing and part of the reason for that is really an anticipation that your land use by-law is going to provide some definition as well as to what, like, enacting these policies in a more clear or distinct way, so that's just another thing to think about generally, not a comment specifically on anything you raised there.

[3:46:14] Voice 12: one

[3:46:15] Trustee Elliott: that's a good idea so then in the definition section we might want to talk about that tonight

[3:46:21] Trustee Elliott: you would look for definitions of what constantly community benefit or what is a general

[3:46:31] Trustee Elliott: but then in the land use byline you have actual criteria and here's how this

[3:46:37] Trustee Elliott: regulation would be measured yeah so uh it's interesting we've had this we've been having

[3:46:45] Trustee Elliott: this debate where do the definitions go generally they go in the land use by law um and but we felt

[3:46:51] Trustee Elliott: that because we're we're providing the opus ep with a number of different words that we need

[3:46:57] Trustee Elliott: that that can be interpreted in different ways that we need to have a definitions section for

[3:47:02] Trustee Elliott: now it may not even be that that it stays it may be that all these definitions end up in the land

[3:47:09] Trustee Elliott: use bylaw but until you have an updated land use bylaw um we've got it here um because i don't

[3:47:18] Trustee Elliott: think we necessarily want to have any less sophisticated conversations for later i have

[3:47:22] Trustee Elliott: definition sections in both it becomes confusing especially if you have

[3:47:27] Trustee Elliott: which is not uncommon right well

[3:47:29] Voice 3: um

[3:47:31] Trustee Elliott: but uh but certainly if it adds 30 for uh uh the general

[3:47:37] Trustee Elliott: review and understanding of the OCP we should we can we can add those things I would say that

[3:47:43] Trustee Elliott: defining community benefit is important like it's not a service like what what are we looking for

[3:47:48] Trustee Elliott: because that's a big piece is if we're only like a covenant for environmental protection I'm pretty

[3:47:55] Trustee Elliott: clear but a rezoning for community benefit like is that for lower moderate income housing yes

[3:48:02] Trustee Elliott: that's one but i think that's that would be a definition that probably because it's guiding

[3:48:08] Trustee Elliott: well part of the document part of our policy decisions yeah um i had another uh note about

[3:48:18] Trustee Elliott: so on a goals objectives uh section 2.2 you actually have a really excellent one in um

[3:48:24] Trustee Elliott: 2.217 under integrating first nations interests about promoting community awareness and

[3:48:31] Trustee Elliott: understanding of christians history um so that relates uh really well to the integration of

[3:48:39] Trustee Elliott: indigenous knowledge and stewardship practices we not have something like that similar objective for

[3:48:45] Trustee Elliott: these other sections oh yeah

[3:48:47] Trustee Elliott: protection of the natural environment responsible resource

[3:48:51] Trustee Elliott: stewardship like how do we you know the awareness and understanding of well what is responsible

[3:48:57] Trustee Elliott: resource stewardship those that could be and then resource stewardship doesn't mention anything about

[3:49:08] Trustee Elliott: traditional people in indigenous harvesting areas or traditional resource

[3:49:15] Trustee Elliott: is that a gap that we might want to look at indigenous stewardship well responsible

[3:49:22] Trustee Elliott: resource stewardship like how do we you know it's collaborating with first nations

[3:49:28] Trustee Elliott: to allow access to their

[3:49:31] Trustee Elliott: hosting areas

[3:49:32] Trustee Elliott: but also to avail ourselves

[3:49:35] Voice 16: of their traditional knowledge

[3:49:37] Voice 16: because it's been proven

[3:49:39] Voice 16: time and time again that when you do

[3:49:41] Voice 16: that your protected areas

[3:49:43] Voice 16: become more valuable culturally

[3:49:45] Voice 16: and everything

[3:49:46] Voice 7: so it's like

[3:49:48] Voice 16: becoming

[3:49:50] Trustee Elliott: their knowledge

[3:49:51] Trustee Elliott: now that's

[3:49:54] Trustee Elliott: so yeah

[3:49:55] Trustee Elliott: I mean that's

[3:49:58] Trustee Elliott: it's a it's a huge resource and it should be we should have an objective related to that

[3:50:06] Trustee Elliott: um so sorry i will take too much longer it was just the water um

[3:50:20] Trustee Elliott: okay so then protection of archaeological sites policy two four two ten three early

[3:50:26] Trustee Elliott: early notification engagement with the Sinead Police Station is encouraged um so because of our

[3:50:35] Trustee Elliott: protocol agreement doesn't it require and isn't that a process that we're already doing can't the

[3:50:45] Trustee Elliott: policy say well so you're talking

[3:50:48] Trustee Elliott: about 2.4.2.10.10.3 yeah yeah yeah so actually interesting

[3:50:53] Trustee Elliott: with that, we're in conversation with Sunima about that, about appropriate process. So it may actually be the province in this case, because the province has a process and Sunima would work with the province. So we're still actually working with them to actually figure out what the appropriate wording for the policy is.

[3:51:17] Trustee Elliott: so yeah interesting that you would find it great all right because i i don't like any policies that

[3:51:22] Trustee Elliott: are should or encourage yeah we we have one some of those and so many of those in our ocp

[3:51:28] Trustee Elliott: and they're not followed because they don't have a process right and so i just wondered what is the

[3:51:36] Trustee Elliott: how does the policy direction work if we process midway there's no point in having

[3:51:43] Trustee Elliott: there it's aspirational and that yeah really bugs me yeah yeah i'm glad you're looking at that

[3:51:51] Trustee Elliott: and okay the wording on policy 24213-1 which is a subdivision policy is just confusing

[3:52:00] Trustee Elliott: um right it's an important one yeah when was it 24215 oh

[3:52:07] Trustee Elliott: yeah yeah well we're um so also with

[3:52:10] Trustee Elliott: this one um we are actually going to be looking at this whole section again okay um to make sure

[3:52:16] Trustee Elliott: we just make sure that we are effectively aligning with the legislative authority as well we want to

[3:52:22] Trustee Elliott: make sure that that we've nailed it um so we've had some legal review we've had we've gone back

[3:52:28] Trustee Elliott: for some more so it's in here right now as is but we are we are we will be refining this okay the

[3:52:34] Trustee Elliott: The intention, though, I think is essentially to remove the existing, the outright subdivision

[3:52:43] Trustee Elliott: potential that require rezoning for subdivision, which would include providing a community

[3:52:52] Trustee Elliott: amenity.

[3:52:53] Trustee Elliott: I mean, very similar to the application this morning.

[3:52:57] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, that's a perfect example of kind of the type of Yeah, I'm

[3:53:04] Voice 3: committed with respect to this.

[3:53:12] Trustee Elliott: But, but yeah, like I said, we are going to make sure that we do find this language from the

[3:53:18] Trustee Elliott: legal opinion so that it's safe.

[3:53:22] Trustee Elliott: okay

[3:53:28] Voice 16: one very small but i hope practical suggestion for this evening and for any

[3:53:32] Voice 16: advice that you give uh for public input is um under public engagement you've got um community

[3:53:39] Voice 16: members can provide direct feedback via north info blah blah i would insist that they include

[3:53:45] Voice 16: in the subject line ocp review oh yes that's a great idea i

[3:53:50] Voice 16: guess lots of correspondence coming

[3:53:52] Voice 16: the net to know what people are doing. So that is super important.

[3:53:56] Trustee Elliott: And tell them to copy the trustees. They don't always, and sometimes you don't get the full

[3:54:01] Trustee Elliott: notice. So maybe it's not. It's great. So yeah, the dark scum.

[3:54:10] Voice 16: What do you think? Copy the trustees? I'm okay either way. Because we sort of see it anyway at

[3:54:15] Voice 16: some point, but maybe we need to see it right away.

[3:54:18] Voice 3: I don't know.

[3:54:18] Voice 3: Well,

[3:54:19] Trustee Patrick: I think, well, I understand what they're trying, they're going to be creating a table. I think having more narrative will lengthen the time it takes them to create the table.

[3:54:33] Trustee Patrick: Right. So I think allow staff the opportunity to collect the responses and you respond to that in a batch rather than individual.

[3:54:45] Trustee Patrick: But I don't know, staff may welcome that or I assume staff would reach out if they have inquiries on a particular suggestion.

[3:54:55] Voice 12: just on the topic of copy trustees or not then north that those emails should be forwarded to

[3:55:01] Voice 12: trustees if they're receiving plan they're received by north info so you'll see them there

[3:55:05] Voice 12: and then there may be further staff reporting also coming back so

[3:55:09] Voice 12: not necessarily for a response but um up to yeah

[3:55:13] Trustee Patrick: yeah i'd say avoid trying to

[3:55:15] Trustee Patrick: have done too much response until it's all assembled so

[3:55:21] Trustee Elliott: yeah i then and maybe i'll get

[3:55:24] Trustee Elliott: questions on this so the whole subdivision question the bylaw amendment for subdivision

[3:55:29] Trustee Elliott: that's on page 376 that's 2521 um yeah so it just says it's not encouraged

[3:55:42] Trustee Elliott: but then applications should provide community amenities so we can't outright say

[3:55:49] Trustee Elliott: You can't do it. That was actually our first, so that was one of the things that we, our

[3:55:54] Trustee Elliott: first round, our first thing we went to get a clear idea of whether we can't outright

[3:56:01] Trustee Elliott: say you cannot subdivide, but we can make it so that you can, you know, we can remove

[3:56:09] Trustee Elliott: the outright permission for 45 watts. So by increasing the minimum watt size, we can

[3:56:17] Trustee Elliott: we are removing the, but you can use, yeah.

[3:56:22] Trustee Elliott: But the use of the word supported

[3:56:24] Trustee Elliott: is not supported rather than encouraged.

[3:56:27] Trustee Elliott: Right,

[3:56:27] Voice 3: we can use that word.

[3:56:28] Voice 3: Oh, is that, okay.

[3:56:29] Trustee Elliott: Cause I don't know if the word is-

[3:56:30] Trustee Elliott: Yes, that's a good word.

[3:56:34] Trustee Elliott: Community amenities and health conservation.

[3:56:37] Trustee Elliott: Is that this-

[3:56:38] Trustee Elliott: Well, actually not, yeah.

[3:56:39] Voice 3: I have

[3:56:39] Trustee Elliott: to, again, I have

[3:56:40] Voice 3: to be clear

[3:56:41] Voice 3: that we can use the word supported

[3:56:42] Voice 3: because that makes it, like, I mean, you-

[3:56:46] Voice 3: We're saying no.

[3:56:47] Voice 3: by saying no which is not what you can say

[3:56:50] Trustee Elliott: yeah um is multi-unit residential still only permitted in

[3:56:57] Trustee Elliott: within two kilometers of the village core sorry is there a requirement that multi-unit residential

[3:57:06] Trustee Elliott: is only going to be in a specific area uh no so what we the way that we've addressed that is um

[3:57:14] Trustee Elliott: So any applications for rebuilding for multi-unit can only be outside of the freshwater hazard zone.

[3:57:25] Trustee Elliott: So it conflicts a little bit with the interest of having multi-unit in the village core,

[3:57:34] Trustee Elliott: because when you look at the hazard map, a good portion of the village core is in the freshwater hazard area.

[3:57:39] Trustee Elliott: There is a portion that is not like that. There are areas that are closed that are not within the freshwater habitat area, but I could check.

[3:57:49] Trustee Elliott: And this was always the debate is the climate change mitigation.

[3:57:55] Trustee Elliott: People want to see that really supported or just, you know, development must be concentrated in the village core.

[3:58:03] Trustee Elliott: There ain't no more water here to support more development.

[3:58:05] Trustee Elliott: Well, and honestly, that's a very urban, it's a, well, it's an off-island perspective, let's just say, because the more that I start to understand about water, you know, the more it becomes clear that, you know, these islands need to be, like, that is the critical piece here, because we really can't be putting people

[3:58:28] Voice 16: where there's no water.

[3:58:29] Voice 16: and we have a bus and that's the big deal we have a bus and so almost everybody is on the bathroom

[3:58:36] Voice 16: so it's better to pray than when there's water and i totally agree even even without looking at the

[3:58:44] Voice 16: freshwater hazard areas i already knew that much of the village area is short so

[3:58:50] Trustee Elliott: yeah so until you

[3:58:52] Trustee Elliott: have some ways to address that issue like i mean massive community water systems that are overlooked

[3:59:00] Trustee Elliott: by some organizations we have a great

[3:59:02] Trustee Elliott: we do have agreement

[3:59:03] Trustee Elliott: i mean there are ways but there are ways

[3:59:06] Trustee Elliott: that are quite beyond beyond the control of where things are at right now uh just a question on

[3:59:16] Trustee Elliott: Changes to use and density again, page 48, policy 25121.

[3:59:22] Trustee Elliott: So this is about a lot larger than eight hectares.

[3:59:30] Trustee Elliott: So is this related to the flex housing zone that was the number of 25121?

[3:59:42] Trustee Elliott: So limiting changes to use and density to lots larger than eight hectares.

[3:59:50] Trustee Elliott: Um, and only be considered through bylaw amendment application of portion of the land is proposed to be permanently protected.

[4:00:00] Trustee Elliott: to that information. But this is confusing to me because it

[4:00:06] Trustee Elliott: doesn't seem to say that a rezoning for additional density

[4:00:09] Trustee Elliott: is possibly smaller than eight hectares. Whereas elsewhere, it

[4:00:18] Trustee Elliott: says, there is a potential that there could be additional units

[4:00:27] Trustee Elliott: on even lots that are smaller than two hectares. If there

[4:00:35] Trustee Elliott: if they're in outside the water hazard zone it's just to

[4:00:39] Voice 12: review that i think we need to

[4:00:41] Voice 12: review that one i actually have that i wrote it down like a minute ago

[4:00:48] Trustee Elliott: okay yeah i think that's a mistake then okay and then is this a legacy one just on the next page

[4:00:54] Trustee Elliott: two five one two three multi-unit housing developments are limited to 12 units per

[4:00:59] Trustee Elliott: for Hector and 24 for development?

[4:01:01] Trustee Elliott: It is.

[4:01:02] Trustee Elliott: Is there a basis for the one before?

[4:01:04] Trustee Elliott: It's because it was there before.

[4:01:05] Trustee Elliott: And 24 is like, well, it's just arbitrary.

[4:01:10] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, so that's

[4:01:11] Trustee Elliott: one that's in your existing.

[4:01:13] Trustee Elliott: OK, they based it on the garden homes.

[4:01:15] Trustee Elliott: They based it on the garden homes.

[4:01:16] Trustee Elliott: Thank you, archivist.

[4:01:19] Trustee Elliott: There's a reason.

[4:01:20] Trustee Elliott: I was like, what's the reason?

[4:01:21] Trustee Elliott: There's no scientific reason.

[4:01:23] Trustee Elliott: It's just like, oh, yeah, this is what we did before.

[4:01:25] Trustee Elliott: work so i would say that should be looked at or kind of in the

[4:01:31] Voice 16: year 2000 we couldn't even get 24

[4:01:33] Voice 16: it was a huge just so much work to even get 24 but of course we knew that less than 24 couldn't

[4:01:43] Voice 16: be built like there was no way you could afford to build less than 24 we also knew that we could

[4:01:49] Voice 16: build 36 with even a better cost benefit ratio but the community at that time in the year 2000 would

[4:01:57] Voice 16: not go beyond and

[4:02:00] Trustee Elliott: yay we have a policy that can permit units of tiny homes including tiny homes

[4:02:07] Trustee Elliott: on wheels i just want to celebrate this thank you rdn for helping do this work and thank you

[4:02:14] Trustee Elliott: your plans for fitting this in because I think people are going to live in smaller and smaller

[4:02:22] Trustee Elliott: homes. So I don't have any more general comments. I think the TUP for water sales definitely should

[4:02:32] Trustee Elliott: be looked at. I

[4:02:41] Voice 16: would agree with Kathy Elliott on that. I don't have my OCP here with me. I'm

[4:02:46] Voice 16: just looking at the staff report because all my comments are good but on that one a tup is just a

[4:02:53] Voice 16: disaster it just means constant renewals or not and if somebody is doing bulk water infraction

[4:03:01] Voice 16: they need the right place right from the start not in a residential which we

[4:03:08] Trustee Elliott: have the information now

[4:03:09] Voice 16: we certainly do we actually have the science so no more tup no more grandfathering none of that

[4:03:15] Voice 16: up. So this is an industrial activity.

[4:03:20] Voice 16: I'm almost

[4:03:21] Trustee Elliott: done.

[4:03:23] Trustee Elliott: You have a go ahead.

[4:03:26] Trustee Patrick: No, I just have a couple of very high level ones, which I

[4:03:30] Trustee Patrick: won't get into too much I've already raised, it needs to be

[4:03:34] Trustee Patrick: raised at a higher level, like the Regional Planning Committee

[4:03:37] Trustee Patrick: is the Section 35. Downs Trust Act and our relationship with

[4:03:42] Trustee Patrick: with regional districts and services that can be.

[4:03:48] Trustee Patrick: I believe we should be able to affect services.

[4:03:51] Trustee Patrick: We can't provide them,

[4:03:53] Trustee Patrick: but we can certainly have policies that direct it.

[4:03:56] Trustee Patrick: So I think that's something we have to look at

[4:03:58] Trustee Patrick: from an overall and distrust perspective

[4:04:00] Trustee Patrick: of how to have that relationship

[4:04:02] Trustee Patrick: and what that does that mean in our OCPs

[4:04:04] Trustee Patrick: because there is only one efficient community plan

[4:04:06] Trustee Patrick: that we can take up.

[4:04:08] Trustee Patrick: The other is for the development permits.

[4:04:11] Trustee Patrick: But right now, the guidelines are in here.

[4:04:14] Trustee Patrick: Is the intent that they will be only in the land use bylaw once it exists,

[4:04:19] Trustee Patrick: or are we going to leave guidelines in an OCP?

[4:04:22] Trustee Patrick: So this is a debate right now.

[4:04:25] Trustee Elliott: Across the trust area, the EPA guidelines, some of them are in OCP.

[4:04:32] Trustee Elliott: Some of them are in the OCP.

[4:04:35] Trustee Elliott: So we are actually having an internal debate.

[4:04:39] Trustee Elliott: Right now, if we're putting in the OCP right now, I'm thinking that that

[4:04:43] Voice 3: may be the standard

[4:04:44] Voice 3: we're looking for, and then it will not be in the land use by law for you.

[4:04:49] Trustee Patrick: On Salt Spring, I know our consultant recommended they be in the land use by law, and if you

[4:04:56] Trustee Patrick: look at Bowen Island's draft OCP that we received last week, they're in the land use.

[4:05:00] Trustee Patrick: So the objectives, you have to be introduced into the development permit area in the OCP

[4:05:08] Trustee Patrick: But I know, I think putting them in the land use by-law gives us a lot more flexibility

[4:05:12] Trustee Patrick: needs to update them rather than leave them as dinosaurs, which they are in the South.

[4:05:17] Trustee Patrick: And it

[4:05:17] Trustee Patrick: looks like our by-law enforcement has that same experience.

[4:05:21] Voice 11: So Chair, it is best that the guidelines be in the land use by-law because that gives

[4:05:26] Voice 11: you more enforcement options for those folks who do not get the required permits.

[4:05:31] Voice 11: They are best placed in the land use by-law, then there can be no argument in whether or

[4:05:36] Voice 11: not a proper bylaw has been adopted to enforce that permit requirement good

[4:05:42] Trustee Patrick: advice there we go

[4:05:44] Trustee Patrick: anyway it

[4:05:45] Trustee Patrick: surprised me to see them in here when i saw it because i thought that's where the

[4:05:50] Trustee Patrick: direction we were headed and that was the advice we were given on salt spring so i'm just like

[4:05:54] Trustee Patrick: wait a minute yeah okay well the debate the bacon can use

[4:05:59] Trustee Elliott: those all right this is a very good piece

[4:06:01] Trustee Elliott: piece of information

[4:06:02] Voice 16: so like the whole concept of dpas like to me i think of dpas some of them

[4:06:07] Voice 16: are for protecting development some of them are for protecting the environment but the actual

[4:06:13] Voice 16: philosophy of them is that where a statement is in your ocp about you know the

[4:06:18] Voice 3: maps would be on

[4:06:20] Voice 16: your ocp yeah

[4:06:21] Trustee Elliott: and i i think that was you know that was that's kind of the part of the debate

[4:06:25] Trustee Elliott: is like well if you got the maps you don't go together but then again like you know

[4:06:29] Trustee Elliott: from this question and it's

[4:06:31] Voice 16: interesting because i would have felt the maps would go with the landing

[4:06:33] Voice 16: spiral and just the statement would be local government act that's uh

[4:06:38] Trustee Patrick: blame it on them

[4:06:42] Trustee Patrick: all

[4:06:43] Trustee Elliott: right so go ahead other so back to the population projections and housing and servicing

[4:06:52] Trustee Elliott: the emphasis on in the context set up um is there going to be any like we don't really refine

[4:07:02] Trustee Elliott: the problem of housing other than you know saying the true housing needs needs still need to

[4:07:12] Trustee Elliott: it's not going to address the housing need um through the current 589 vacant residential

[4:07:19] Trustee Elliott: what i would like to see is that the purpose of this policy development or

[4:07:28] Trustee Elliott: the approach that we are taking rather than looking at numbers of houses is to encourage

[4:07:38] Trustee Elliott: the kind of growth the community needs or support the kind of growth the community needs

[4:07:43] Trustee Elliott: starter homes housing for low and moderate income residents communal living and

[4:07:50] Trustee Elliott: and disincentivize what the market is driving.

[4:07:54] Voice 16: So

[4:07:54] Trustee Elliott: historically, the market for the islands

[4:07:57] Trustee Elliott: has always given secondary homes,

[4:08:00] Trustee Elliott: luxury vacation, or subdivisions for profits.

[4:08:05] Trustee Elliott: So the market supplies that.

[4:08:09] Trustee Elliott: What our plan attempts to do

[4:08:12] Trustee Elliott: is address the true housing needs,

[4:08:15] Trustee Elliott: workforce, starter homes, low-moderate income,

[4:08:19] Trustee Elliott: come and actually communal living for like if i heard from the beginning of my term and i keep

[4:08:25] Trustee Elliott: saying it elderly women who are single and living in their two big homes a lot who live in smaller

[4:08:34] Trustee Elliott: homes in the community of their choice and so that's what the multi-flex housing potential

[4:08:41] Trustee Elliott: potential could be but that I think we need to characterize what the market drives and what is

[4:08:51] Trustee Elliott: naturally going to happen and we are through this policy and then the not really allowing

[4:08:57] Trustee Elliott: subdivisions for profit we are incentivizing and allowing the kind of housing that this community

[4:09:05] Trustee Elliott: is is anticipated to what currently needs and is anticipated for the next 20 years because I don't

[4:09:12] Trustee Elliott: think the housing needs assessment doesn't meet that it does speak to poor housing need we already

[4:09:18] Trustee Elliott: know that but the type of housing and that's why so the term starter home could we look at a

[4:09:25] Trustee Elliott: definition or a type of you know a small unit under a thousand square feet or something what

[4:09:31] Trustee Elliott: is the way that we can quantify the kind of entry level housing situation that supports young

[4:09:39] Trustee Elliott: own families or workforce. So our homes may be it, but I really want, I think this context

[4:09:45] Trustee Elliott: could be worked on more, um, from that perspective. One final, there's a few mistakes that we

[4:09:55] Trustee Elliott: might want to correct, but it's, um, just like emissions. And then I have a little one.

[4:10:02] Trustee Elliott: Oh, yeah, the freshwater hazard map. So Schedule B, there is two different presentations, and I would love to ask staff to come back with a technical report on the explanation of buffering and filtering.

[4:10:19] Trustee Elliott: I think there should be some notes for that map to explain what people are looking at.

[4:10:26] Trustee Elliott: And I think staff said they could provide that, but I don't know if we need a resolution.

[4:10:33] Trustee Elliott: And then the final thought, do I have one more final thought?

[4:10:40] Trustee Elliott: Yeah, I think that was it for the freshwater. I think we were missing a general one.

[4:10:46] Trustee Patrick: I'll do another general one.

[4:10:54] Trustee Patrick: Is there any other way to number it in such that we have to have one, two, three, four

[4:11:00] Trustee Patrick: high levels of decimals?

[4:11:01] Trustee Patrick: I mean, wow.

[4:11:03] Trustee Patrick: We were thinking about that.

[4:11:04] Trustee Patrick: So, I mean, this is all new, right?

[4:11:06] Trustee Patrick: No, I know.

[4:11:08] Trustee Patrick: We've been thinking about working

[4:11:10] Voice 3: with networks as well

[4:11:11] Trustee Patrick: around the numbering.

[4:11:13] Trustee Patrick: Look at Bowen.

[4:11:14] Trustee Patrick: Bowen, their whole structure is no more than three.

[4:11:20] Voice 16: Yeah.

[4:11:22] Voice 16: And do they just have more subheadings?

[4:11:24] Voice 16: I don't know.

[4:11:26] Trustee Patrick: It's just different ways, but maybe we'll see. I just know whenever we're citing them, 2.1, 2.1, 2.2, that's where it's getting.

[4:11:37] Trustee Patrick: Yeah,

[4:11:37] Trustee Elliott: I guess one of the things we were trying to do was avoid the mixture of letters and numbers.

[4:11:43] Voice 3: But anyways,

[4:11:44] Voice 3: but it's something, yeah, it's okay.

[4:11:46] Voice 16: You're trying to avoid 1, a, b, c, d, and c.

[4:11:48] Voice 16: Yeah, because I get

[4:11:49] Voice 16: confused when I

[4:11:49] Trustee Elliott: finish several of these.

[4:11:51] Trustee Elliott: And then there's a little like, oh, 1.

[4:11:52] Trustee Elliott: So it's something that we've been thinking about this time.

[4:11:58] Trustee Elliott: I have a goal of one less human in

[4:12:01] Voice 16: this objection.

[4:12:03] Trustee Elliott: I think it's actually less human.

[4:12:04] Trustee Elliott: I

[4:12:05] Voice 16: have just a quick question.

[4:12:06] Voice 16: I've had some very serious inquiries about the freshwater footprint report from a local geologist who's also really up on hydrology.

[4:12:17] Voice 16: And he has concerns about some things in that report.

[4:12:21] Voice 16: And he sent them to me, and I forwarded them to William Shoba, but William Shoba replied

[4:12:30] Voice 16: to me saying that, well, this project is over now.

[4:12:34] Voice 16: But these are serious concerns about a couple of things in that report.

[4:12:39] Voice 16: So what do we do?

[4:12:41] Voice 16: We just suggest that this person send them to Northinfo, Attention, OCP Review, to make

[4:12:50] Voice 16: sure that they get looked at they're not trivial they're a big deal yeah

[4:12:56] Trustee Patrick: okay well it's a good

[4:12:57] Trustee Patrick: question because i submitted very detailed comments during that period i didn't get a response

[4:13:07] Voice 16: okay i mean this is because it's because we're using this report to base our our knowledge of

[4:13:15] Voice 16: what we're what we can do where in the ocp right and if there's things missing like serious

[4:13:20] Voice 16: of submissions in that freshwater footprint that we feel you know other things are predicated on

[4:13:26] Voice 16: then we need to know that good

[4:13:35] Trustee Elliott: that's what we'll do well good luck everyone tonight

[4:13:40] Voice 8: well

[4:13:40] Trustee Elliott: okay well

[4:13:41] Trustee Patrick: i think i think for tonight i think it is i think you really hopefully in

[4:13:47] Trustee Patrick: your presentation you spend time you know this is draft yes has not had first reading

[4:13:53] Trustee Patrick: and you know the nature of the comments that you're looking for um and how those will be

[4:13:59] Trustee Patrick: received and analyzed or dealt with um i think is really good messages so

[4:14:07] Voice 16: no no low level comments

[4:14:09] Voice 16: or questions no

[4:14:12] Trustee Elliott: all positive but yeah we do want to hear um we what we want to make sure is that

[4:14:20] Trustee Elliott: that really understands what this is, what it does,

[4:14:29] Trustee Elliott: and like to face comments on that base understanding,

[4:14:32] Trustee Elliott: because I think that's a little bit of a challenge

[4:14:34] Trustee Elliott: is that there's some misunderstandings

[4:14:36] Trustee Elliott: of what LCP actually does.

[4:14:38] Trustee Elliott: And I

[4:14:38] Trustee Elliott: also certainly, Chair Patrick,

[4:14:41] Trustee Elliott: the process that this is not the final,

[4:14:42] Trustee Elliott: that we are far from it.

[4:14:45] Trustee Elliott: In fact, we've got a large in the middle.

[4:14:47] Trustee Elliott: little. So the final, the final meeting is what's happened.

[4:14:52] Trustee Elliott: Well, after that, yeah, we'll have a different time

[4:14:56] Trustee Elliott: committee.

[4:14:58] Trustee Elliott: All

[4:15:01] Trustee Patrick: right, any other? I guess we have a charter that needs

[4:15:06] Trustee Patrick: attention. Yeah.

[4:15:10] Trustee Elliott: The right page. Is it still realistic? That July?

[4:15:18] Trustee Elliott: I think it's September, honestly, like because just the dialogue that we're having now, it

[4:15:25] Trustee Elliott: feels like there's a lot that we'll have to look at in July, so I almost, yeah, I almost

[4:15:33] Trustee Elliott: feel like thinking about taking, it may take the summer for us to get the full understanding

[4:15:40] Trustee Elliott: understanding of things and be able to incorporate them and we'll probably want to use July for that

[4:15:46] Trustee Elliott: discussion what we heard yeah and

[4:15:48] Trustee Elliott: uh what we've heard to the point in time and further discussion

[4:15:51] Trustee Elliott: on things so I'm feeling like uh an amendment to the product charter would be um it would be a

[4:15:58] Trustee Elliott: worthwhile thing to do so

[4:16:02] Voice 16: Planner Chadwick you maybe don't know this but I feel the same way

[4:16:06] Voice 16: what about the budget that we have for the work you know the project um it means extending the

[4:16:14] Voice 16: budget further or requesting more money you know at the next of the next council to continue this

[4:16:21] Trustee Elliott: work so

[4:16:22] Trustee Elliott: i've had this conversation it's already considered it's about the project will be over

[4:16:26] Trustee Elliott: okay um they'll still need to be uh like no public hearing will happen after the election for example

[4:16:32] Trustee Elliott: and that's something that we allocate budget to and also the communications and engagements that

[4:16:38] Trustee Elliott: would be related to those final readings okay um so that's something that um that we've already

[4:16:46] Trustee Elliott: had some discussion about so this project um will be one that will can that's we both have

[4:16:52] Trustee Elliott: a business case we'll put together a business case for yeah yeah great so we're looking at amending

[4:17:00] Trustee Elliott: name the charter to say print reading will be September 26th? I think that'll give the public

[4:17:11] Trustee Elliott: some, some ease that there is time. It doesn't say fall. It says we need somebody, yeah, we need

[4:17:21] Trustee Elliott: to be at the market. We need to, you know, give people time. With this document, there's a lot

[4:17:29] Trustee Elliott: So I would feel more comfortable getting to first reading in September.

[4:17:34] Trustee Elliott: I would like the let LUV update to continue.

[4:17:38] Trustee Elliott: It is.

[4:17:39] Trustee Elliott: I mean, it's

[4:17:40] Trustee Elliott: our, we are working

[4:17:42] Voice 3: on the work that we are doing, but just in terms of bringing

[4:17:44] Voice 3: it forward and having readings, we would bring it together with the OCP.

[4:17:52] Voice 16: I find that's really helpful.

[4:17:55] Voice 16: And

[4:17:56] Trustee Elliott: do we want to survey, sort of, before beginning to sort of take the tone?

[4:18:03] Trustee Elliott: No?

[4:18:04] Trustee Elliott: Okay.

[4:18:06] Trustee Elliott: Specific.

[4:18:06] Trustee Elliott: That's it.

[4:18:07] Trustee Elliott: Good.

[4:18:08] Trustee Elliott: The

[4:18:08] Voice 7: vision statement.

[4:18:09] Voice 7: The

[4:18:10] Trustee Elliott: vision statement really is like...

[4:18:12] Trustee Elliott: Well, I do a lot better.

[4:18:13] Trustee Elliott: Yeah.

[4:18:13] Trustee Elliott: Well, and certainly, I actually do agree with you.

[4:18:16] Trustee Elliott: Before we just kind of put everything together.

[4:18:19] Trustee Elliott: I know.

[4:18:20] Trustee Elliott: It needs work.

[4:18:21] Trustee Elliott: um so yes if somebody wants to take on that task absolutely um um and uh i lost my train of thought

[4:18:31] Trustee Elliott: are we allowed to work on them together probably not

[4:18:35] Trustee Elliott: let's have competing vision statements every other weekend at the farmer's market

[4:18:40] Trustee Elliott: trustee yates's banner trustee elliot's vision statement

[4:18:44] Trustee Elliott: you can have a vision statement on that let's have a vision statement

[4:18:49] Trustee Elliott: I love it.

[4:18:52] Trustee Patrick: Anyways.

[4:18:53] Trustee Patrick: Let's get these changes to the community charter, the project charter.

[4:19:00] Trustee Patrick: What I was going to say,

[4:19:02] Trustee Elliott: it was regarding survey, at this point, we're really just looking

[4:19:06] Trustee Elliott: more for the specifics because we've gone to higher levels.

[4:19:10] Trustee Elliott: Yep, agree.

[4:19:14] Voice 16: So I'm not sure you actually need to change the charter in a big way because it doesn't

[4:19:18] Voice 16: let's say on the timeline here, summer, fall 2026.

[4:19:23] Voice 16: Just a

[4:19:27] Trustee Elliott: few wording things in the paragraph, the background, the

[4:19:39] Trustee Elliott: last line, support OCP policy, as well as updates to the LEB to

[4:19:46] Trustee Elliott: ensure consistency. Constancy is also a good thing, but I don't

[4:19:54] Trustee Elliott: think it's what consistency yeah so

[4:19:56] Voice 16: would that be a recommendation

[4:19:59] Voice 16: i think we

[4:20:00] Trustee Patrick: just approved it as amended yeah you have to amend the document first and then

[4:20:04] Trustee Patrick: it was amended so you need resolutions to amend it so

[4:20:14] Voice 16: i moved that fabiola island local press

[4:20:16] Voice 16: committee request staff to

[4:20:18] Trustee Patrick: amend i think you just amend request on your amend oh you're amending it

[4:20:24] Trustee Patrick: because you're going to approve it in a second okay

[4:20:25] Voice 7: just say that

[4:20:33] Trustee Patrick: march 26 version 7. as per today's discussion no i don't think you have to be specific to

[4:20:41] Trustee Patrick: the change first reading and are there other changes that you needed to make to it

[4:20:48] Trustee Patrick: it's just just oh they're spelled if they're editorial then that that doesn't need a motion

[4:20:58] Trustee Patrick: I think Lisa's probably got something done. So we're just changing the date for reading

[4:21:05] Trustee Patrick: through

[4:21:06] Voice 3: the chair. What I have is to enroll. I don't know. Trust committee amend the OCP

[4:21:14] Voice 3: project charter March 26, version seven to change first reading to September 2026.

[4:21:23] Voice 3: Actually, it's the OCP and land use

[4:21:25] Trustee Patrick: by-law review for the curve.

[4:21:32] Trustee Elliott: And cleanup working as required.

[4:21:35] Trustee Patrick: I don't think we have, they said we don't need a resolution to do edits.

[4:21:43] Trustee Patrick: Give them the staff there.

[4:21:45] Trustee Patrick: Okay,

[4:21:46] Trustee Elliott: any other changes? That's it.

[4:21:47] Trustee Elliott: Do we want to request more budget for the

[4:21:49] Trustee Patrick: The request for budget at this point.

[4:21:54] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, no, because that's this weekend. You already have a

[4:21:58] Voice 3: budget for this fiscal. So that would be something that would

[4:22:01] Voice 3: have to consider. So okay. Great. All right. That's a good

[4:22:09] Voice 3: point. Maybe it is a two part thing. Maybe it is something

[4:22:13] Voice 3: you would consider for the next budget. But I think that would

[4:22:16] Voice 3: be a new business space soon for the next term it's something we can think about that

[4:22:24] Trustee Patrick: okay all right uh is uh someone going to make the motion as read by i make a motion all right

[4:22:33] Trustee Patrick: is it seconded by okay trustee elliott any discussion call the vote all those in favor

[4:22:39] Trustee Patrick: that is carried so now we need to approve the amended project charter motion on page

[4:22:48] Trustee Elliott: 305 i think the gabriella island local trust committee endorsed the revised project charter

[4:22:55] Trustee Elliott: as amended on may 21st for the gabriella ocp well second

[4:23:02] Trustee Patrick: that is there any discussion

[4:23:05] Trustee Patrick: well i'll call a vote all those in favor that carries we need the other motion to

[4:23:10] Trustee Patrick: send it out for early referral

[4:23:11] Voice 16: and we have another another motion that they're working on

[4:23:14] Voice 16: is it ready

[4:23:17] Trustee Elliott: to go further that's what we're just debating i think maybe let's wait on that okay

[4:23:21] Trustee Elliott: i mean let's all wait on both of them i mean i think it's too long of a week to wait till july

[4:23:32] Trustee Elliott: for early engagement referrals so this is an

[4:23:36] Voice 16: referral to agencies impersonation and then

[4:23:40] Voice 16: you had another suggested motion um staff working with the new impersonation staff to

[4:23:45] Voice 16: did you want us to believe that one yes yeah okay so you know what that one is

[4:23:53] Voice 16: okay well just

[4:23:54] Trustee Patrick: let's i have it oh

[4:23:56] Voice 3: she has it oh lisa we can at least do that uh the gabriel island

[4:24:00] Voice 3: local trust committee request staff work with dynamic first nation staff to develop a more

[4:24:04] Voice 3: focused acknowledgement of senate first nation connection to gabriel island in section 1.2.2

[4:24:10] Voice 3: prior to sending the official community plan note for referral.

[4:24:14] Voice 3: Great job.

[4:24:15] Voice 3: Before that,

[4:24:18] Trustee Elliott: let's talk about...

[4:24:19] Trustee Elliott: It's not been made. Lisa said it.

[4:24:21] Trustee Elliott: Right, thank you.

[4:24:22] Trustee Elliott: So working with staff on that section,

[4:24:26] Trustee Elliott: is this the opportunity for early referral,

[4:24:30] Trustee Elliott: for getting early comment?

[4:24:31] Trustee Elliott: There's not a formal referral, but you could also work with staff.

[4:24:35] Trustee Elliott: We're already on it.

[4:24:37] Trustee Elliott: That's quite a hard decision.

[4:24:38] Trustee Elliott: That's what it's not.

[4:24:39] Trustee Elliott: They've got it.

[4:24:39] Trustee Elliott: They've got the document.

[4:24:40] Trustee Elliott: Got it.

[4:24:41] Trustee Elliott: That's all I was concerned about.

[4:24:42] Trustee Elliott: Thank you.

[4:24:43] Trustee Elliott: All right.

[4:24:44] Trustee Elliott: You're going to make the motion.

[4:24:46] Trustee Patrick: Yes.

[4:24:46] Trustee Patrick: And are you going to second it?

[4:24:48] Trustee Patrick: I am.

[4:24:49] Trustee Elliott: All right.

[4:24:50] Voice 16: So I'm second.

[4:24:51] Trustee Patrick: Any discussion?

[4:24:53] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[4:24:55] Trustee Patrick: And that carries.

[4:24:56] Trustee Patrick: So then we're going to hold off the first ones.

[4:25:00] Trustee Patrick: Any other business you need on the OCP planner chat?

[4:25:05] Trustee Patrick: Any other business on this project?

[4:25:07] Trustee Patrick: Any more business on the OSP? No, not

[4:25:11] Voice 3: specifically. We're just saying, you know, we can still send, like, do

[4:25:18] Trustee Patrick: sort of informal, like, so that I just wanted to kind of just come back to that on the reservation.

[4:25:23] Trustee Patrick: So, if you were to pass that, that would mean that we'd send it out to all of the, all the agencies process,

[4:25:28] Trustee Elliott: but what we can still do is we can still send it informally to, you know, our end, like others, people that we have been having a conversation with,

[4:25:40] Trustee Elliott: Fire Chief, for example, and parts of it through the disengagement process, so we can still have those conversations.

[4:25:47] Trustee Elliott: Okay, I agree.

[4:25:49] Voice 7: All right.

[4:25:50] Trustee Patrick: Well, if there's no further business, we'll hear

[4:25:53] Trustee Patrick: much more tonight.

[4:25:55] Trustee Patrick: Yay! Okay, well, let's keep

[4:25:57] Trustee Patrick: moving on.

[4:25:58] Trustee Patrick: Chair,

[4:25:59] Trustee Elliott: I'm going to

[4:26:01] Trustee Elliott: request to do

[4:26:03] Trustee Elliott: the encounter

[4:26:03] Trustee Elliott: from the road.

[4:26:07] Trustee Elliott: I need to try to catch

[4:26:09] Trustee Elliott: the next ferry.

[4:26:10] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[4:26:11] Trustee Elliott: I'll be back.

[4:26:13] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[4:26:14] Trustee Patrick: Okay. So we'll go quickly then. We have a correspondence item, 11.1, an email from the Regional District of New Lima regarding the ferry tunnel, the fact that transportation links feasibility study, page 433.

[4:26:32] Trustee Elliott: We've already responded to it, so it's a process.

[4:26:37] Trustee Elliott: Alright, so I'll just receive her information

[4:26:40] Trustee Patrick: at this point, because you've already responded to it.

[4:26:42] Trustee Patrick: right okay item 12.1 referral agency status for major development proposal adjacent to gabriel

[4:26:50] Trustee Patrick: island verbal discussion from trustee yates right come on

[4:26:53] Voice 16: um so this goes back to when

[4:26:57] Voice 16: our mac specific sports products um began their rezoning application uh directly across the

[4:27:05] Voice 16: ledge island and of course that all comes under the animal city council and so the public began

[4:27:11] Voice 16: asking us if we could make a statement or something or be something as a referral

[4:27:17] Voice 16: agency. So then I started trying to figure that out. I actually did bring it to

[4:27:22] Voice 16: Trust Council last September and we did make a motion. Christina Evans and I made a

[4:27:29] Voice 16: motion asking the staff to put an MOU or some means of referral for local

[4:27:36] Voice 16: local trust communities they have a comment on major rezonings development applications adjacent

[4:27:41] Voice 16: to their RTA and I

[4:27:44] Voice 16: think that just got really tied up in trying to get to the regional planning

[4:27:47] Voice 16: committee and because it will be different from so I kind of forgot about that and tried to focus

[4:27:55] Voice 16: more locally in the local trust area I didn't draft a letter to put forward as an rwm and thank

[4:28:02] Voice 16: you for that thoughtful suggestion because by then the public hearings on this application

[4:28:08] Voice 16: was closed. It's now with the City Council for further consideration of changes

[4:28:14] Voice 16: to improve compatibility with the surrounding areas and some limited protection for the

[4:28:19] Voice 16: surrounding ecology. So this is a major rezoning application. 72 hectares of forested land

[4:28:28] Voice 16: result in heavy industrial use. It is directly across from Mudge Island and very close to

[4:28:34] Voice 16: Gabriel Island. And these kinds of major land use proposals very close to the Gabriel and local

[4:28:39] Voice 16: trust area do not happen often, but they have happened twice in the last few decades and I've

[4:28:47] Voice 16: been around for both of them. There's been very strong public opposition in some cases,

[4:28:53] Voice 16: lots of public concern including from gabriel and much residents and it's therefore reasonable

[4:28:59] Voice 16: i believe for residents of this local trust area to expect us to send a more formal response

[4:29:06] Voice 16: um so on this particular application um the political boundaries this is you know the

[4:29:13] Voice 16: city council makes their decision and and that's good it can't be expected to send it up here there

[4:29:19] Voice 16: and everywhere but political boundaries do not halt or mitigate the effects of air water and

[4:29:26] Voice 16: noise pollution we all nearby should be concerned about the loss of this large forested area

[4:29:31] Voice 16: which climate scientists assure us is the best crucial offset for the effects of climate change

[4:29:37] Voice 16: is maintaining intact forests so um it was a serious enough issue almost a year ago for me

[4:29:45] Voice 16: to bring this to trust council. It's still a serious issue. I know that residents here still

[4:29:51] Voice 16: would like for the local trust committee to be able to make some kind of statement that can be

[4:29:58] Voice 16: recognized.

[4:30:00] Voice 16: by the Manoa City Council, for example.

[4:30:02] Voice 16: But I don't know exactly how to go about that.

[4:30:05] Voice 16: Well, I know.

[4:30:10] Trustee Patrick: I have an opinion.

[4:30:13] Trustee Patrick: I understand when local trust committees are advocating

[4:30:18] Trustee Patrick: on behalf of issues that are perhaps federation-wide,

[4:30:22] Trustee Patrick: but this is adjacent to your trust area.

[4:30:24] Trustee Patrick: And I think if a political statement is wished to be made

[4:30:27] Trustee Patrick: by a local trust committee, that's a resolution of this body.

[4:30:31] Trustee Patrick: And it can be either a decision to send a letter

[4:30:33] Trustee Patrick: around for the chairs um so i think we just have to be bold you know staff can advise against it if

[4:30:41] Trustee Patrick: that's their prerogative but if you feel strongly that there's a political statement

[4:30:45] Trustee Patrick: and i think it does help the island's trust you know be seen in the local area uh as caring

[4:30:52] Trustee Patrick: and so i think those are political decisions that you need to be willing to bring forward to a local

[4:30:57] Trustee Patrick: trust me thank

[4:30:58] Voice 16: you i really appreciate that that's

[4:31:02] Trustee Patrick: that might have been annoying i mean

[4:31:03] Trustee Elliott: my perspective is that like the rdm didn't even get a referral director greg had to speak on her

[4:31:11] Trustee Elliott: and couldn't speak on president's behalf but if we know something is coming

[4:31:19] Trustee Elliott: why why did the staff what did their staff respond well you're not in the referral database

[4:31:23] Trustee Elliott: the base and you don't get a referral like that just doesn't make sense we should be able to

[4:31:30] Trustee Elliott: request a referral on matter that affects gabriella and area b residents and if they don't want to

[4:31:39] Trustee Elliott: give us a referral then we consider their proposed bylaws and we make that statement yeah right so i

[4:31:47] Trustee Elliott: think that's that's what you're saying is the path to do it regardless and so we don't need

[4:31:53] Trustee Elliott: need to send a motion or anything we just need to take political action be aware and bring it to

[4:31:58] Trustee Elliott: this body and then okay thank you for clarifying that yeah that's that's my

[4:32:02] Trustee Elliott: take as

[4:32:03] Voice 16: a chair yeah

[4:32:04] Voice 16: and you know maybe we aren't a referral body and neither is the rdn apparently which is amazing to

[4:32:10] Voice 16: me um that's fine you know we probably shouldn't even be asking to be a referral agency because

[4:32:17] Voice 16: for the most part we couldn't care less about what they're doing at the limo city council

[4:32:21] Voice 16: But things like this are really big deal to the local test area. So I like your approach, just making a resolution, writing a statement or a letter and sending that forward. At this point, we need to wait and see what they come up with.

[4:32:37] Voice 8: But

[4:32:37] Voice 16: I'm very appreciative of that support. Thank you.

[4:32:43] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[4:32:46] Trustee Patrick: So, next item then is we have a series of reports here.

[4:32:50] Trustee Patrick: here. The trust conservancy report this year on page 434. We've got the trust conservancy

[4:33:03] Trustee Patrick: report to trust council, fourth quarter is here as well. And we have applications report

[4:33:09] Trustee Patrick: page 441. Are there any questions on the applications?

[4:33:14] Voice 16: I

[4:33:15] Trustee Elliott: really have to go I don't have any questions.

[4:33:20] Trustee Elliott: Did we read the motion?

[4:33:22] Trustee Elliott: We

[4:33:22] Voice 16: can do that.

[4:33:28] Voice 16: Are you chair Patrick? Are you okay with us?

[4:33:31] Voice 3: Yeah.

[4:33:32] Voice 16: Moving right ahead to

[4:33:37] Voice 16: I guess.

[4:33:39] Voice 12: Yeah, we can run that on the fly, or we can run a big camera on to see.

[4:33:46] Voice 12: Oh,

[4:33:46] Trustee Elliott: that's right.

[4:33:48] Trustee Elliott: Bad idea.

[4:33:49] Trustee Elliott: Okay, I would have to sit up in the other room.

[4:33:50] Trustee Elliott: That's fine.

[4:33:55] Voice 16: Should we then just go forward and finish our agenda before getting to, do you want to start me in camera meeting

[4:34:00] Trustee Patrick: and then you can comment and leave?

[4:34:03] Trustee Patrick: Would that help you?

[4:34:06] Trustee Elliott: I don't know.

[4:34:23] Trustee Elliott: Okay, so let's go on camera.

[4:34:26] Trustee Elliott: Okay, I can

[4:34:27] Voice 16: make the motion.

[4:34:29] Voice 16: All right.

[4:34:30] Voice 16: I move that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter Park

[4:34:35] Voice 16: Board Division 2, Section 91F and I, for the purpose of considering law enforcement if

[4:34:42] Voice 16: the Council considers that disclosure could reasonably be expected to harm the conduct

[4:34:46] Voice 16: of an investigation under enforcement of the enactment and the receipt of advice that is

[4:34:51] Voice 16: subject to solicitor colliding privilege including communications necessary without purpose and that

[4:34:57] Voice 16: the reporter and staff attend the meeting. Any discussion?

[4:35:03] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor? All right,

[4:35:05] Trustee Patrick: we're going into camera. Thanks. Thank you.