North Pender Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, May 29, 2026

[0:00:05] Voice 3: Okay, good

[0:00:07] Trustee Maude: morning everybody. What a crowd today.

[0:00:11] Trustee Maude: Thanks for joining us today for this regular meeting of the North Tender Island Local Trust

[0:00:15] Trustee Maude: Committee. I want to begin the meeting by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be

[0:00:19] Trustee Maude: able to gather today in locations across the territory of Coast Salish people.

[0:00:22] I

[0:00:23] Trustee Maude: am David Maud, elected Maine Island Chair of the North Tender Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:26] Trustee Maude: I'm joined today by our two North Tender Island Trustees, Erin Campbell and Deb Morrison.

[0:00:32] Trustee Maude: together we make up the North Tender Island Local Trust Committee. This meeting is being live-streamed and recorded for those who are able to attend in person today and the recording will be posted on the Islands Trust website for future viewing.

[0:00:44] Trustee Maude: So we have some staff members joining us today. We have our planner, Brad Smith. We have also planner Ruth Roosevelt here with us today.

[0:00:53] Trustee Maude: today. Warren Dingman, our file enforcement manager, is with us. And William Shilwell,

[0:01:00] Trustee Maude: our water specialist, is with us today. And of course, last but not least, Lisa Lamarck,

[0:01:06] Trustee Maude: who is our magical person in the background doing all the electronic work and our Resorting

[0:01:10] Trustee Maude: Secretary. We very much thank all that she brings to the meeting because we just could

[0:01:15] Trustee Maude: not do it without her. So, this meeting is an official forum for your local trust committee

[0:01:22] Trustee Maude: to make decisions about these planning matters and discuss about the business i want to have

[0:01:26] Trustee Maude: this place employment um we have our staff to work to a safe and respectful workplace

[0:01:32] Trustee Maude: so before us we haven't had that um any additions or concerns about that so by general consent we

[0:01:38] Trustee Maude: can adopt the agenda um as circulated um we also believe we had uh fries report um

[0:01:52] Trustee Maude: So we have a draft report, the draft committee in-camera meeting minutes of January 30th,

[0:01:59] Trustee Maude: 2026 were adopted.

[0:02:00] Trustee Maude: That was, we had a little in-camera meeting on April 10th, 2026.

[0:02:05] Trustee Maude: So we start off with trustee report, who wants to be the first trustee that will be reporting?

[0:02:09] Voice 6: Sure.

[0:02:12] Voice 6: We had a community information meeting for those that are here that want to attend.

[0:02:22] Voice 6: There's nobody here.

[0:02:23] Voice 6: It's so strange right now.

[0:02:29] Voice 6: It was really quite a good discussion.

[0:02:32] Voice 6: And I think it could have even run longer than period times allowed discussing with folks and the APC what kind of people are feeling about workforce housing, off market housing, how maybe or where we need to maybe provide for Pender and discussing the fact that as trustees,

[0:03:03] Voice 6: we have very little control over the actual function of housing other than the land that

[0:03:09] Voice 6: it's built on and um and so that was a good um sort of kickoff to what this month has kind of

[0:03:17] Voice 6: been um been quite a few conversations with folks just sitting

[0:03:22] Voice 6: down and kind of hearing what their

[0:03:24] Voice 6: ideas are or or plans that they have in motion in the community um a few different um a few

[0:03:33] Voice 6: different groups that are that are trying to find a way to move things forward there's a lady at the

[0:03:38] Voice 6: community information meeting sort of reported back that this has been an issue that she was

[0:03:44] Voice 6: involved in 15 years ago that is still trying to find a way to get some sort of momentum forward

[0:03:54] Voice 6: so that's been that's the big kind of topic is how do we actually make it happen

[0:04:01] Voice 6: happen. And then there's quite a few, there's a lot of applications on this package. And so there

[0:04:10] Voice 6: was a lot of in the community discussions and talking to folks that have applications that

[0:04:18] Voice 6: have come forward and just wanting sort of to discuss, you know, the relevant thoughts for

[0:04:25] Voice 6: themselves as to how to pursue different things. And so that's, that's, it was actually probably

[0:04:31] Voice 6: probably one of the busier spring last sort of months.

[0:04:35] Voice 6: It's good to see that people are actually reaching out.

[0:04:41] Voice 6: It's been four years of having my cell phone

[0:04:43] Voice 6: on public record,

[0:04:45] Voice 6: other than our old pile of spam calls that I get

[0:04:48] Voice 6: that have no actual relevance to anything.

[0:04:52] Voice 6: I feel like this is people using my phone number,

[0:04:55] Voice 6: so it's good.

[0:04:58] Voice 6: Thank you.

[0:04:59] Voice 6: Just you first.

[0:05:00] Voice 6: I

[0:05:00] Voice 15: think one thing that from the community information meeting that I really appreciated too was a chance to clarify the chicken and egg problem that we often find ourselves in in the trust, which is with housing, which is people want to do a housing project, but they can't get the financing for the housing project unless they have the zoning in place.

[0:05:21] Voice 15: and the zoning takes longer

[0:05:22] Voice 15: then the applications are open for the housing funding

[0:05:24] Voice 15: so like one of the things that

[0:05:26] Voice 15: we're trying to do with housing project is get

[0:05:28] Voice 15: appropriate zoning in the right places

[0:05:30] Voice 15: in advance so that people

[0:05:32] Voice 15: want to do housing projects

[0:05:34] Voice 15: they can go for funding and it's

[0:05:36] Voice 15: all in place like they have the right things

[0:05:38] Voice 15: to be able to fall by

[0:05:40] Voice 15: I think the language is shovel ready

[0:05:42] Voice 15: projects and that

[0:05:44] Voice 15: means the zoning has to be in place

[0:05:46] Voice 15: so that's been a barrier

[0:05:48] Voice 15: or for some of the sort of groups that wanted to do housing developments including the land we're

[0:05:53] Voice 15: treating not right now so um trying to think if that is the will of our community to have those

[0:05:59] Voice 15: things in place so that we can't advance those product not leave but like the groups who are

[0:06:03] Voice 15: working on that can advance those returns as they come up so that's helpful for our folks to

[0:06:08] Voice 15: understand that's really one of the biggest roles we can play right now um and and then i think also

[0:06:14] Voice 15: Also, just on a trustee update, I'm happy to be here in person.

[0:06:20] Voice 15: It feels like I have been electronically involved in meetings a lot, and that's been super frustrating for me.

[0:06:26] Voice 15: But work schedule and meeting schedules have not arrived.

[0:06:29] Voice 15: And because I had to move over to Swell Spring for health reasons for my brother, it has been very difficult to get here on a time when meetings are relative to work schedule.

[0:06:41] Voice 15: So I actually came in last night and took a meeting already this morning.

[0:06:45] Voice 15: to make

[0:06:45] Voice 15: this work today to be here so i'm happy to be here i'm happy to have coffee

[0:06:48] Voice 15: with colleagues and friends and um you know i'll be here in the late night if anybody wants to go

[0:06:53] Voice 15: village so so i'm happy just to be around you know conversations do you reach out the phone

[0:07:00] Voice 15: phone number works even on sultry because it's a whole thing um so we're happy to do that and uh

[0:07:07] Voice 15: yeah let's go into the conversations um we are also maybe just put a bug in everyone's ear we

[0:07:14] Voice 15: we, this is an election year for the trust, so be aware and think about that. I am not on island

[0:07:20] Voice 15: anymore. It's not appropriate for me to run again, so think about who else might want to run as a

[0:07:26] Voice 15: trustee and, like, represent you in the community. So, yourselves, others that you know, start getting

[0:07:31] Voice 15: that out in people's minds, because it comes up faster than you think. I think it's in September

[0:07:35] Voice 15: didn't pay for my custody um for trustees um and like go in that i was corralled in my kitchen

[0:07:43] Voice 15: to become a trustee by another community member so go do that

[0:07:47] Voice 15: that

[0:07:47] Voice 6: was something else that was mentioned was that it is an election year and it's been that's

[0:07:55] Voice 6: been another um like it's that's a grocery store conversation it seems to be you can't go and get

[0:08:01] Voice 6: eggs or a couple of onions without somebody being

[0:08:04] Voice 6: like so are you running again and uh

[0:08:07] Voice 6: and if not like who who else might be and everybody that asks i have asked if they

[0:08:15] Voice 6: would like like hey why don't you do it every single person has turned me down so far yeah so

[0:08:22] Voice 6: including chris i try to

[0:08:24] Voice 6: suck chris and provide some leverage on his application you know so

[0:08:28] Voice 6: but like

[0:08:30] Voice 15: just ask us questions about like our own experiences we'll be pretty frank with you

[0:08:34] Voice 15: like if you're interested at all and think you love that or you have others like feel free to

[0:08:37] Voice 15: have that conversation with us too because we'll be pretty frank about like time commitment and

[0:08:42] Voice 15: like pros and cons i think we'll probably have like similar experiences in that trust council

[0:08:48] Voice 15: so we can share some of that yeah but we think you can lean into it excellent yeah

[0:08:56] Trustee Maude: um i think

[0:08:58] Trustee Maude: last meeting i kind of expressed my i don't know if this one's right word it is the trust policy

[0:09:03] Trustee Maude: completed this term which is was the long-term goal and we were everything a year ago was

[0:09:11] Trustee Maude: something really really good but unfortunately it's not going to happen this term um so hopefully

[0:09:18] next term the new trustees raise the work that's

[0:09:22] Trustee Maude: been done and we can quickly get it finished

[0:09:25] Trustee Maude: because we're that close. But if they want to rewrite again, we might be a back-and-forth

[0:09:31] Trustee Maude: for your process. So fingers crossed on that. I reported last time about the budget. And

[0:09:39] I think the only other thing I can report is we

[0:09:41] Trustee Maude: have upcoming, in a couple of weeks,

[0:09:43] Trustee Maude: we have Trust Council, which is going to be, not for the first time, but really for the

[0:09:50] Trustee Maude: first time of all time all electronic so this is a little bit different flow of the meeting

[0:09:59] everything's a little bit different when you're in first when you're online so we'll see how that

[0:10:03] goes uh and we're going to say that september is going to also be online so we won't be gathering

[0:10:08] Trustee Maude: together as a group in person so no no careful goodbyes in september so all righty um so moving

[0:10:17] Trustee Maude: Moving on, we have electoral director of support,

[0:10:21] Trustee Maude: Director Brent, unfortunately,

[0:10:22] Trustee Maude: had a meeting conflict with that CRD organization.

[0:10:26] Trustee Maude: So we have to defer to his priorities

[0:10:30] Trustee Maude: within its own organization, so he's not here.

[0:10:32] Trustee Maude: So now we're at public participation period.

[0:10:34] Trustee Maude: As we allow two to three minutes,

[0:10:36] Trustee Maude: we ask you to put your hand up,

[0:10:38] Trustee Maude: you can acknowledge the chair,

[0:10:40] Trustee Maude: and you can state your name for the record,

[0:10:42] and we're pretty flexible.

[0:10:44] So we'll start out with that.

[0:10:45] anybody want to ask

[0:10:47] Trustee Maude: the questions or make any statements you

[0:10:51] Voice 14: have several oh kathy cronk you

[0:10:53] Voice 14: have several applications on file i just asked that when you are considering whether to take

[0:10:59] Voice 14: into the fact that climate change is occurring there's a super el nino brewing out in the pacific

[0:11:05] Voice 14: ocean which is going to be more than that please make this consideration when you're making your

[0:11:14] Voice 14: so anybody else

[0:11:15] Voice 14: very

[0:11:19] Voice 3: quiet you're a tender crab you're

[0:11:25] Voice 6: coming in i think so yeah i don't know

[0:11:27] Voice 6: so

[0:11:28] Voice 15: as

[0:11:37] Voice 16: you

[0:11:44] Trustee Maude: on your end we're actually doing public participation

[0:11:47] Trustee Maude: so if you have any questions or anything this is the time

[0:11:53] Voice 13: my husband wanted to be here he's working we received a property tax bill almost five thousand

[0:11:59] Voice 13: dollars you know he takes the biggest chunk is the fire department um so i'm hi guys i'm hoping

[0:12:08] Voice 13: you can help me i'm sarah miles port washington road resident and i'm trying to understand the

[0:12:14] Voice 13: industrial storm water management plan that's on the agenda today for three three three four

[0:12:21] Voice 13: for Washington Roads heavy-duty industrial rezoning application with five uses.

[0:12:28] Voice 13: They're proposing construction of a giant mechanical repair and welding shop within

[0:12:36] Voice 13: 100 feet of my well. Here's a close-up of the site plan that's in the application.

[0:12:44] Voice 13: There's two blue dots on there, those are wells. One is at the lumber yard and one is at my

[0:12:55] Voice 13: my property and in between those two in the middle you see the proposed underground stormwater pipes

[0:13:02] Voice 13: in green on 3334 Washington Road. If you follow those pipes it looks like the plan is to discharge

[0:13:11] Voice 13: stormwater onto my property right beside my domestic well. Are you aware of this? I also

[0:13:20] Voice 13: want to draw your attention to the fact that there's no blue dot in this close-up area of

[0:13:26] Voice 13: 3334, the industrial yard. They haven't marked the well that I understand exists in the industrial

[0:13:34] Voice 13: yard. Why is there no sample? Why no water sample? Why is there no water sample from in the yard?

[0:13:41] Voice 13: They've used a sample from a new well halfway up the mountain, very far away from the industrial

[0:13:48] Voice 13: zone. Why wouldn't you get a water or soil sample from inside the industrial area?

[0:13:55] Voice 13: will you please request this? The January 30th staff report states that the area proposed for

[0:14:03] Voice 13: rezoning is designated as industrial and the proposed use is consistent with the industrial

[0:14:10] Voice 13: land use policies of the North Pender OCP. Industrial policy 2.5.1 states industrial

[0:14:18] Voice 13: development which may have a deleterious impact on adjacent land uses will not be committed.

[0:14:24] Voice 13: Well, discharging stormwater from an industrial yard where they store hazardous waste will

[0:14:34] Voice 13: probably have a very big, very negative impact on my property.

[0:14:38] Voice 13: We will have flooding, we will contaminate our water and our land.

[0:14:43] Voice 13: And we've already suffered water degradation due to this development.

[0:14:46] Voice 13: There's been no testing from anything inside this yard.

[0:14:50] Voice 13: There's also no ditch.

[0:14:52] Voice 13: Okay, the plan talks about discharging the flow into the field.

[0:14:56] Voice 13: There's no ditch, okay?

[0:14:58] Voice 13: We have who's responsible for making sure there's a ditch

[0:15:02] Voice 13: that is built according to MOT standards.

[0:15:10] Voice 13: This plan seems very incomplete, this stormwater management plan,

[0:15:14] Voice 13: and I can't see why you wouldn't get conscience to accept it the way it is written.

[0:15:18] Voice 13: On page one, it even says the application is for light industrial use,

[0:15:22] Voice 13: which is wrong.

[0:15:23] Voice 13: It's heavy industry.

[0:15:26] Voice 13: The staff recommendation is that the North Pendle Island Local Trust Committee

[0:15:29] Voice 13: receives the industrial wastewater stormwater management plan report for rezoning application

[0:15:36] Voice 13: PLRZ20240110 Big Ham data K192026. I strongly encourage you to request a water and soil sample

[0:15:43] Voice 13: from the well and industrial yard before you accept this report. Do not receive this plan

[0:15:50] Voice 13: until it is complete. This is going to have a big impact on our rural neighborhood so

[0:15:55] Voice 13: So, do your due diligence.

[0:16:00] Voice 13: I'd also like to propose that we downgrade

[0:16:03] Voice 13: Port Washington Road to a heritage status road

[0:16:06] Voice 13: and charge these companies for excessive traffic.

[0:16:10] Voice 13: The road is crumbling due to the huge trucks

[0:16:13] Voice 13: that we face for this.

[0:16:15] Voice 13: So, thank you.

[0:16:19] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:16:22] Voice 3: Anybody else wish to speak?

[0:16:24] Voice 3: You

[0:16:29] Voice 7: can have that.

[0:16:31] Voice 7: Okay, thank you.

[0:16:34] Trustee Maude: All right, so we will move on to minutes.

[0:16:38] Trustee Maude: We have local trust committee minutes dated April 10th, 2026 for adoption.

[0:16:42] Trustee Maude: Did anybody find any Easter eggs there?

[0:16:46] Trustee Maude: I couldn't see anything.

[0:16:50] Trustee Maude: I swear, the only way that these minutes have any issues is because Lisa put something there just to make sure that we're looking at them.

[0:16:56] Trustee Maude: Because they are so good, and we really appreciate the amount of work that goes into our minutes.

[0:17:01] Trustee Maude: minutes, because meeting after minute, meeting after minute, meaning they come back and nobody

[0:17:06] Trustee Maude: has any corrections. That speaks a lot to the work of staff. So, by general consent,

[0:17:11] Trustee Maude: we can adopt those minutes?

[0:17:12] Trustee Maude: Yes.

[0:17:12] Trustee Maude: All right. So, we have a local trust committee record of a public hearing dated April 10th

[0:17:17] Trustee Maude: for a receipt, and then we have local trust committee minutes dated May 2nd, 22nd for

[0:17:23] Trustee Maude: adoption. Again, any issues with those minutes? So, by general consent, we can adopt those

[0:17:29] Trustee Maude: minutes um then we have um the advisory planning commission minutes dated april 23rd 2016. um again

[0:17:38] Trustee Maude: we express our appreciation for the work of the abc um this is from wherever i go in this area

[0:17:48] Trustee Maude: like this is the one that really works really really hard um the amount of time the amount

[0:17:54] Trustee Maude: of energy the amount of information comes out of these minutes is just amazing much appreciated

[0:18:01] Trustee Maude: So we'll move on to page 26, Fallout Passionist, for May 2026.

[0:18:07] Trustee Maude: Anything to be highlighted, Tanya Smith?

[0:18:10] Trustee Maude: The consultation is

[0:18:12] Voice 11: over, is it?

[0:18:13] Trustee Maude: It is.

[0:18:14] Trustee Maude: Did you have...

[0:18:15] Trustee Maude: Oh, it's not over.

[0:18:18] Voice 12: It's not over.

[0:18:19] Voice 11: It's not your turn.

[0:18:20] Voice 11: Oh, exactly.

[0:18:22] Trustee Maude: Are you okay?

[0:18:24] Trustee Maude: So if you'd like to say something, we'll be...

[0:18:26] Voice 11: Yeah, I've got two things.

[0:18:27] Voice 11: but the first is my concern about the industrialization of Port Washington Road

[0:18:32] Voice 11: and the lack of awareness that people have who live along there. A lot are elderly, they don't

[0:18:38] Voice 11: go on Facebook, they really don't know what's going on. And the second is the water. I was

[0:18:44] Voice 11: wondering about potential contamination of the water supply they're looking at which a lot of

[0:18:49] Voice 11: people do. And so those are things I'd like you to seriously consider. But primarily the first one,

[0:18:56] Voice 11: it is a big consideration. Hard to kind of push into documented terms, but still very, very

[0:19:03] Voice 11: important. So thanks for listening to me now, Barry, go back to my farm. Thank you.

[0:19:11] Trustee Maude: All righty, so with the correspondence, we have 14.1 on page 28, Mary Proctor 37943

[0:19:24] Voice 3: three up and away. So any actions you just want to receive this?

[0:19:36] Voice 6: I've worked beside it for a bunch of this spring so I'm not really sure. I actually know that both

[0:19:46] Voice 6: of us had gone in person to site visit the application when it was in its infancy and

[0:19:55] Voice 6: uh in the uh the garage and from an external view of like we're working on the left just down

[0:20:12] Voice 6: i don't i don't know i'm not really sure how to respond to it because of the details as to

[0:20:27] Voice 6: know that there's conflict in the community at the end of that road predating them so i yeah

[0:20:39] Voice 6: Yeah, I don't know how you address something like that to people.

[0:20:48] Voice 6: I

[0:20:48] Voice 16: had a question about this.

[0:20:51] Voice 16: So that would

[0:20:57] Voice 15: be my question.

[0:20:58] Voice 15: And I don't know, Warren, if you know which one we're talking about or not.

[0:21:01] Voice 15: But I think it's probably due diligence on our part to just have the site checked

[0:21:09] Voice 15: to ensure that they're abiding by all the current characteristics

[0:21:12] Voice 15: because it sounded like there was more chance of what's happening.

[0:21:18] Voice 15: So that would be something

[0:21:19] Voice 15: I want to have checked.

[0:21:23] Trustee Maude: So, Mr. Dinklage.

[0:21:25] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: So this is about 7943 Pumper Way?

[0:21:29] Voice 12: Yes.

[0:21:31] Voice 12: So

[0:21:31] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: I would recommend that the LTC authorize the opening of a file for investigation,

[0:21:36] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: investigation and then we can investigate all the concerns here raised in these in this

[0:21:40] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: correspondence we

[0:21:46] Voice 6: would do that based off of a letter of concern though yeah

[0:21:51] Voice 15: i think so i think

[0:21:52] Voice 15: i think people don't always know what's the best way to ask for a compliance check right and it's

[0:21:59] Voice 15: not necessarily something in

[0:22:00] Voice 15: terms of like no in yellow field that's not what we're asking we have

[0:22:03] Voice 15: new standards around like compliance so it's really just verifying that it meets permit and

[0:22:09] Voice 16: if

[0:22:09] Voice 15: it doesn't confirm it then what's the challenge

[0:22:10] Voice 15: that it's having and that way we can report

[0:22:12] Voice 15: back like more clearly

[0:22:14] Voice 15: about what's going on because

[0:22:17] Voice 15: I personally

[0:22:19] Voice 15: can't say right now

[0:22:20] Voice 15: if they're applying or not

[0:22:23] Voice 15: yeah

[0:22:24] Voice 6: I just I know

[0:22:25] Voice 6: that in

[0:22:30] Voice 6: I just don't want to

[0:22:32] Voice 6: set any sort of precedent that every letter

[0:22:34] Voice 6: that comes in from people

[0:22:36] Voice 6: being upset is going to become

[0:22:38] Voice 7: a

[0:22:40] Voice 6: trigger to a file

[0:22:41] Voice 6: Yeah, because

[0:22:42] Voice 6: that, I mean, there's not too many meetings that go by where we haven't received some sort of feedback from the community, typically telling us we've done a shitty job of something.

[0:22:55] Voice 6: Just to be honest, you've got to be a little bit thick-skinned at times about it, right?

[0:23:01] Voice 6: Like, because folks, you know, you don't get told to take a job, it just sort of happens.

[0:23:10] Voice 6: and then um so yeah i wouldn't want to um

[0:23:14] Voice 15: yeah i'm not worried

[0:23:16] Voice 15: about precedent like in like i think

[0:23:18] Voice 15: it's a case no no but it's a case by case

[0:23:21] Voice 15: thank you like and this particular case it's a tricky

[0:23:24] Voice 15: site like it was

[0:23:25] Voice 15: a tricky kind of dog like thing if i remember correctly like where you go in and

[0:23:29] Voice 15: turn and so it's it's probably worth it just to verify that it's like you know meeting right

[0:23:36] Voice 15: area because it was it was a tight spot so it can just be feeling the sort of grind of being there

[0:23:42] Voice 15: you know imagine it's a chronic problem if everybody's cheating out so like any kind of

[0:23:47] Voice 15: construction next to you feels like monumental but it could be that it's just the nature of

[0:23:53] Voice 15: being so close especially

[0:23:54] Trustee Maude: with plastic and such going on yeah that's

[0:23:57] Trustee Maude: rough yeah so if you have

[0:23:59] Trustee Maude: some words of wisdom i was just

[0:24:00] Voice 5: going to add through the chair that like there were letters

[0:24:03] Voice 5: is like similar tone prior to the dp issue at the beginning yeah so i do think

[0:24:10] Voice 6: that there is

[0:24:11] Voice 6: quite a bit of that property yeah so it's worth it so

[0:24:15] Trustee Maude: what do you want to do so i guess there's

[0:24:18] Trustee Maude: two ways it can happen is we can respond back to the the letter writer and ask her to make

[0:24:23] Trustee Maude: a complaint or we can just forward it to my law enforcement for an investigation

[0:24:31] Voice 15: I know that we don't have to do it, but I mean, we could say, hey, go and do this XYZ.

[0:24:37] Voice 15: It just feels like...

[0:24:39] Voice 6: Well, that's been my approach to most things this term.

[0:24:43] Voice 15: Because

[0:24:43] Voice 6: I get, especially like folks track me down to talk about bylaw stuff and I have

[0:24:53] Voice 6: I have always forwarded it back to like,

[0:24:56] Voice 6: hey, I can receive the complaint on your behalf, right?

[0:25:01] Voice 6: I can give you all the contact information.

[0:25:03] Voice 6: I can help you direct it in the right way, you know,

[0:25:08] Voice 6: but it's not for me to champion that cause

[0:25:13] Voice 6: and have probably 50% of the people do it

[0:25:21] and

[0:25:21] Voice 6: the other 50% decide that it's not really

[0:25:25] really maybe worth it

[0:25:26] Voice 6: I don't know I don't want to yeah I would prefer to just redirect it but

[0:25:34] Voice 6: so

[0:25:36] Voice 15: I think yeah I

[0:25:37] Voice 15: think my question is why do we even need to do it as an LTC it's a letter

[0:25:42] Voice 15: that came in can't it just go to bylaw like do they already

[0:25:47] Voice 15: so chair

[0:25:48] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: what

[0:25:49] Voice 15: I

[0:25:50] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: can do is I can

[0:25:51] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: contact a letter writer and ask her directly if she wants this to be in a written official

[0:25:56] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: written complaint or she can submit another complaint directly to our reporter concern

[0:26:02] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: form and then we can proceed from there yeah

[0:26:05] Voice 15: because i do understand what you're saying here

[0:26:06] Voice 8: like

[0:26:07] Voice 15: it is better that we don't get in the middle of it because then it betters us a little bit

[0:26:10] Voice 15: like we have to decide on anything in the future so yeah that would be better um but just to be a

[0:26:15] Voice 15: little proactive so we don't have to be like oh yeah pushback you know they've already spent time

[0:26:19] Voice 15: so

[0:26:19] Trustee Maude: managing your thing is that number do you need a motion to sort of instruct you to do

[0:26:24] Trustee Maude: no

[0:26:24] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: i will contact the letter writer and to try to address her concerns and then proceed from there

[0:26:29] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: if she wishes to lodge an official written complaint we'll proceed okay

[0:26:35] Trustee Maude: thank you very much

[0:26:36] Trustee Maude: okay all right so moving on to um applications and referrals um on page 31 we have salsby island

[0:26:45] Trustee Maude: local trust for proposed file number 551 um and there should be a highlighted response

[0:26:57] Voice 6: I was wondering if we could do all four of these at the same time.

[0:27:03] Trustee Maude: I just, one day within my tenure, if I was just waiting for one LTC to say that they

[0:27:10] Trustee Maude: have a concern.

[0:27:11] Voice 7: I think we did one.

[0:27:13] Trustee Maude: Did you?

[0:27:13] Voice 7: I think we did.

[0:27:14] Voice 7: We

[0:27:14] Trustee Maude: had a question.

[0:27:14] Voice 15: Yeah, because

[0:27:15] Voice 7: there was one

[0:27:15] Voice 16: when there was some kind of development on the, on the Saturna

[0:27:18] Voice 16: FAC vendor.

[0:27:19] Voice 16: Yeah.

[0:27:19] Voice 16: That affects us.

[0:27:22] Voice 7: Okay.

[0:27:22] Voice 7: okay

[0:27:22] Voice 16: okay

[0:27:26] Voice 6: so what if you're

[0:27:27] Voice 7: yeah

[0:27:28] Voice 6: i read through what each one of them was and it didn't yeah

[0:27:32] Voice 6: i think you could do

[0:27:34] Voice 5: one resolution chair i think you could just say number one and then

[0:27:38] Voice 5: say proposed bylaw number five five one five five two five five three okay let's do that

[0:27:57] Voice 15: So that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee respond to the Salisbury Island

[0:28:04] Voice 15: Local Trust Committee that interests are unaffected by proposed bylaw number 551, number 552,

[0:28:13] Voice 15: number five five three and number five black four okay

[0:28:18] Trustee Maude: any discussion call the question all in favor

[0:28:23] Trustee Maude: that carries it's all string will be pleased so we'll roll up to page number 50 um

[0:28:31] Trustee Maude: uh north power nppl dvp 2026 dash zero one one two um um and i see planner culture has come

[0:28:42] Trustee Maude: one of those people so i assume it's over to you thank you

[0:28:46] Voice 1: uh so yeah this is a new development

[0:28:50] Voice 1: variance permit application for 5415 huson road to permit an existing pool structure

[0:28:59] Voice 1: reconstruction of a deck and an existing accessory building within the 15 meter

[0:29:04] Voice 1: natural boundary set back to the sea the application was initiated following a bylaw

[0:29:10] Voice 1: enforcement file for work taking place within that natural boundary setback. The applicant

[0:29:16] Voice 1: has identified that the pool deck and accessory building were existing in the same location

[0:29:22] Voice 1: likely since the 1970s. However, since the deck was removed and the pool was no longer in use

[0:29:29] Voice 1: and needed to be replaced, the variance would be required for these structures. The construction of

[0:29:36] Voice 1: the deck would reuse the existing concrete footings and not further extend from the previous

[0:29:41] Voice 1: deck location.

[0:29:43] Voice 1: Therefore, there would be no further land disturbance involved.

[0:29:48] Voice 1: And additionally, there's been five letters of support that were received from adjacent

[0:29:53] Voice 1: neighbors to the subject property, all considering the variance is reasonable.

[0:30:00] Voice 1: Given the historical presence of these structures, and there's been no letters of opposition received, staff consider that the rationale for the variance is reasonable and the construction would involve no new impacts to the shoreline or area within the natural boundary setback,

[0:30:18] Voice 1: and therefore support the recommendation

[0:30:21] Voice 1: that the North Pender Local Trust Committee

[0:30:24] Voice 1: approve issuance of development variance permit,

[0:30:28] Voice 1: PLDVP-2026-0112.

[0:30:32] Voice 1: Thanks.

[0:30:34] Voice 3: Thank you, Pender.

[0:30:35] Voice 3: No, I'm sure you have questions, trustees.

[0:30:37] Voice 6: No, I think I got a phone call probably

[0:30:42] Voice 6: the day that the letter was delivered to the applicant.

[0:30:48] Voice 6: and so i have been pretty up on on what it is from from the beginning um so i have a lot of

[0:30:57] Voice 6: a lot of questions and process questions maybe but i don't think that that's applicable to the

[0:31:04] Voice 6: to the application itself trustee marsh i

[0:31:08] Voice 15: have a couple questions maybe one of them i'm going

[0:31:10] Voice 15: to ask the process question if this is a repair which is what it sounds like to me of an existing

[0:31:17] Voice 15: pool and deck i don't understand why it needs a permit can somebody clarify that for me

[0:31:26] Voice 6: this is where sort of problem the process came in was i don't think that this was about the

[0:31:33] Voice 6: pool or the pump the whole pump house to start with it was about some construction that had been

[0:31:39] Voice 6: done on the property outside of the natural boundary to the sea and then after the file

[0:31:46] Voice 6: was opened the repair pool began and then when the inspect it took almost a month and a bit i

[0:31:55] Voice 6: think for the actual site inspection maybe two months chris i think i think that that was it

[0:32:02] Voice 6: was like it was quite an extensive time in between the two first consideration and why

[0:32:09] Voice 6: chris had contacted me was that it was a known archaeological site potential known archaeological

[0:32:16] Voice 6: And then because of the shutdown, I think, was the BCGEU was maybe in the middle of that,

[0:32:25] Voice 6: the inspection didn't end up happening for quite a ways down the road.

[0:32:29] Voice 6: And so then when the site inspection was done, there was the wall along the ocean side was

[0:32:41] Voice 6: being repaired.

[0:32:42] Voice 6: So there was two by four.

[0:32:44] Voice 6: So then it looked more like a construction site of the pool as opposed to the construction that had originally been done and the pool hadn't even been started at the time of the original letter.

[0:32:59] Voice 6: And so it's a file that started as one thing and has gone, because the hot tub and the pool and the pool are not within the natural boundary of the sea, but they are front and center as the focal point of what is there.

[0:33:24] Voice 15: Yeah, I see that.

[0:33:25] Voice 15: And

[0:33:25] Voice 6: the old, I mean, well, you know, we don't know the previous owners of it.

[0:33:30] Voice 6: That little pump house has been there for a time eternal.

[0:33:33] Voice 6: They did do some reinforcement of it.

[0:33:37] Voice 6: And so there's a new support beam.

[0:33:41] Voice 6: But it looks, right, it looks like that could have been.

[0:33:45] Voice 6: So I don't know.

[0:33:46] Voice 6: That's where my process versus.

[0:33:49] Voice 15: Yeah.

[0:33:49] Voice 15: Yeah, so can I

[0:33:51] Voice 15: get Beth's thoughts on this?

[0:33:54] Voice 15: Just because I really don't understand why community members are having to put a DBP

[0:34:00] Voice 15: along something that's in there.

[0:34:02] Voice 15: I'm just trying to understand.

[0:34:03] Voice 15: So,

[0:34:04] Trustee Maude: Planner Smith and then Port Management.

[0:34:06] Trustee Maude: So, in this first one, so, so, Planner Belcher, do you have anything to say, or we'll defer

[0:34:13] Trustee Maude: to Planner Smith?

[0:34:14] Trustee Maude: uh

[0:34:15] Voice 1: so basically the this is a this is a requirement under the local government act that

[0:34:20] Voice 1: if the so in this case the deck was not in existence for a number of years uh so to

[0:34:28] Voice 1: reconstruct it in the same location it's sort of lost its uh pre-existing non-conformity so we need

[0:34:36] Voice 1: that variance to allow the existence within the natural boundary setback

[0:34:43] Trustee Maude: Okay. Manager Dingman.

[0:34:46] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: Chair, so with the original complaint, the swimming pool construction

[0:34:50] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: was referenced. So that was going to be part of the original investigation because the complaint

[0:34:58] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: directly referenced the construction of a swimming pool at the time.

[0:35:07] Voice 3: Okay. So it is what it is.

[0:35:10] Voice 15: Okay. So my understanding, if I can just rephrase this, is there was a gap where

[0:35:15] Voice 15: there was no deck not clear if there was a gap where there was no pool still and the age of the

[0:35:23] Voice 15: pool is a little unclear to me but so basically they're saying that this is somewhat new construction

[0:35:30] Voice 15: you lost

[0:35:32] Voice 5: they lost their they

[0:35:34] Voice 15: lost their non

[0:35:35] Voice 5: -performing status because they had removed

[0:35:37] Voice 5: the entire structure as opposed to repair and maintain which is not removing the whole thing

[0:35:44] Voice 5: and bringing a brand new one in, it's repairing the tangle.

[0:35:50] Voice 15: Yeah, this is such a great thing for many people to do work with.

[0:35:54] Voice 15: It makes more sense sometimes just to rip it all

[0:35:56] Voice 15: down and rebuild it.

[0:35:57] Voice 15: But a repair to maintain grandparenting is like be slow and intentional.

[0:36:04] Voice 6: We have a similar dog.

[0:36:06] Voice 6: I was just going to

[0:36:07] Voice 6: say that dog.

[0:36:09] Trustee Maude: So, Matt, anything that you have to say more?

[0:36:11] Trustee Maude: more

[0:36:13] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: so chair the courts have ruled and ruled recently that if you tear down a structure

[0:36:19] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: completely and then rebuild it you've lost your lawful non-conforming protection to it

[0:36:27] Trustee Maude: so is there a timeline

[0:36:29] Trustee Maude: at all like i recall in the past it's like six months or something

[0:36:34] Trustee Maude: so the

[0:36:35] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: six month period refers to use if you stop using something for six months

[0:36:39] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: you lose your protection but also if you tear something down completely and then go and build

[0:36:46] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: a completely new structure you've also lost your lawful non-conforming protection there are limits

[0:36:52] Voice 1: in how far

[0:36:52] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: the original structure building can be destroyed and there's a recent court ruling where

[0:36:58] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: someone argued that okay it's law i'm just and it's argued all the time but the courts finally

[0:37:03] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and said no you can't bring in a new structure right you can repair and maintain the old one

[0:37:10] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: if you completely remove the existing one if you completely remove that old structure

[0:37:16] Manager of Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement: and build a new structure you've lost your non-conforming protection and that's great

[0:37:23] Voice 15: and understandable in the bureaucratic world it's very difficult like when a community member is

[0:37:29] Voice 15: doing something that wants to do a job well because they just build a good thing right so

[0:37:34] Voice 15: so

[0:37:34] Voice 6: it's

[0:37:35] Voice 15: a dilemma i

[0:37:36] Voice 6: do know too that you had this question and other life stuff um that

[0:37:43] Voice 6: the like the percentage of leftover as far as that is concerned and one thing that chris

[0:37:49] Voice 6: chris watson is our local building guy has always is if the foundation pieces are still there

[0:37:56] Voice 7: yeah they

[0:37:57] Voice 6: he would consider that to be this is his opinion not talking about legal

[0:38:03] Voice 6: everything um but that if your foundation pieces are still there and pre-existing and that's

[0:38:09] Voice 6: he considers that to sort of be 25 of what which is some other there's some other rule about that

[0:38:18] Voice 6: as far as the rebuild we have talked about that with houses burning down the things being destroyed

[0:38:25] Voice 6: Yeah, one of the other side left over and that's the

[0:38:31] Trustee Maude: So anything from the African

[0:38:33] Trustee Maude: Yeah, I mean, I guess now

[0:38:37] Voice 3: probably we ended up here where the situation could divide all the way

[0:38:42] like this permit, we had it before I had to put the

[0:38:45] people back

[0:38:46] Voice 3: kind of like two options at this point

[0:38:50] Voice 3: but to do that and excavate a ton more land and

[0:39:02] Voice 15: So I have a couple questions just past the process issue, just on where the pool sits

[0:39:07] Voice 15: and how high is it?

[0:39:09] Voice 15: What's the elevation?

[0:39:11] Voice 15: Because it's a long natural boundary from the sea.

[0:39:14] Voice 12: Do you know the elevation?

[0:39:15] Voice 6: I can always go on

[0:39:16] Voice 6: this during the survey.

[0:39:17] Voice 6: I can see it.

[0:39:19] Voice 3: During the survey, would you know?

[0:39:23] Voice 15: My concern is about elevation when you get into things near the sea.

[0:39:29] Voice 15: The setback is important from an erosion, and I understand all the other things that

[0:39:34] Voice 15: we're hearing about, not that high erosion here and blah, blah, blah.

[0:39:37] Voice 15: But climate change, the data's real here, right?

[0:39:44] Voice 15: And elevation is the critical element that we're facing, is we, in our new bio-land use

[0:39:50] Voice 15: by-law, we have a 1.5 meter, nothing below 1.5 meters.

[0:39:55] Voice 8: About the ocean.

[0:39:56] Voice 16: About the ocean.

[0:39:57] Voice 16: About the high tide line.

[0:39:59] Voice 15: yeah so 1.5 meter in elevation is the sort of minimum standard now just

[0:40:05] Trustee Maude: seems to be saying 84

[0:40:07] Trustee Maude: feet 86 feet 84 so that was

[0:40:13] Voice 15: a big part of my concern about it and then the next sort of thing

[0:40:17] Voice 15: i would go to from that is like okay so if it's up that high and you're like not in far enough

[0:40:24] Voice 15: is there an erosional surface like on your edge and the documents here say that it's low erosion

[0:40:30] Voice 15: because it's protected by an island is that right well

[0:40:33] Voice 3: so um mr belcher came and looked at that and

[0:40:36] Voice 3: did that and kind of looked at that from kind of wall there it's all like a rock basically

[0:40:40] Voice 3: i guess

[0:40:43] Trustee Maude: he kind of knows he's got his hand up so yeah

[0:40:45] Voice 3: uh

[0:40:47] Voice 1: yeah so just from my uh assessment

[0:40:50] Voice 1: at the property and talking with the applicant,

[0:40:54] Voice 1: the shoreline doesn't appear to have any signs of erosion.

[0:40:59] Voice 1: It's fully a rock shoreline.

[0:41:01] Voice 1: And that is quite a protected part of the island.

[0:41:06] Voice 1: There isn't as much storm flow.

[0:41:11] Voice 1: So yeah, I'm obviously not a geologist or engineer on this,

[0:41:16] Voice 1: but uh the the the shoreline doesn't appear to be eroding okay so

[0:41:23] Voice 16: those are my

[0:41:23] Voice 15: primary concerns

[0:41:24] Voice 15: because we are

[0:41:25] Voice 15: already seeing in many places around the gulf islands like erosional new

[0:41:30] Voice 15: erosional surfaces that didn't happen on the shoreline and it's unfortunately going to get

[0:41:36] Voice 15: quite a bit worse so don't build stuff near the shoreline is the message okay so like um

[0:41:44] Voice 15: This isn't a house, so I feel less critical about it. It's not somebody's house that's going to fall into the ocean if it's a problem.

[0:41:52] Voice 15: And if the footings are there and you're not, it's like creating less disturbance with things.

[0:42:00] Voice 15: Like, I'm in the middle of this one. Because generally, I don't like putting stuff in SFX.

[0:42:05] Voice 3: There is like a survey there, it's from 2005 too, and they're having an erosion.

[0:42:09] Voice 15: yeah

[0:42:10] Voice 3: yeah i

[0:42:11] Voice 15: can't tell you how many times we get asked to grant public things in some kind

[0:42:15] Voice 15: of bylaw enforcement thing and like ethically it's just so against everything i want to do

[0:42:20] Voice 15: and i totally understand the practical aspect of it so i just hate that the bureaucracy is

[0:42:26] Voice 15: it bugs me so

[0:42:29] Voice 12: I yeah so okay perfect

[0:42:34] Voice 3: somebody wanted to do motion

[0:42:40] Voice 15: I'm probably going to vote against it but not because I don't think that it's a good move

[0:42:45] Voice 15: necessarily to stay on the existing footings just because I really just don't want to delay things

[0:42:50] Voice 15: in setbacks so but I'm pretty sure that you're going to it's going to pass regardless so

[0:42:59] Voice 6: So that's been around a little trust committee of revisions my reading.

[0:43:05] Voice 6: yeah.

[0:43:10] Voice 6: Development variance permit pbp 2026 your dash 0112.

[0:43:18] Voice 6: For the discussion second.

[0:43:21] Voice 6: So second.

[0:43:24] Trustee Maude: no

[0:43:24] Voice 15: i'm i just i really wanted to say like we get a lot of permits that are around bylaw enforcement

[0:43:31] Voice 15: to bring into compliance things that have been there for some duration that's unknown right um

[0:43:36] Voice 15: i highly encourage everyone take pictures of your property like if you think you have stuff that you

[0:43:41] Voice 15: want to renovate take a lot of freaking pictures before you touch that building because it's really

[0:43:45] Voice 15: hard to prove what was there and what was there grandparent advice and then date

[0:43:49] Voice 15: your photos just

[0:43:50] Voice 15: like you know because it's a good move to know that you have something if you want to repair it

[0:43:55] Voice 15: or replace it grandparenting is tricky oh

[0:44:01] Trustee Maude: and and for me as you know it's happened a few times

[0:44:04] Trustee Maude: i'm not offended it's when trustees if it's a tie vote my book goes with it with the staff

[0:44:10] Trustee Maude: recommendation that's what weighs my vote so i will be voting in favor so so with that call the

[0:44:16] Trustee Maude: vote all in favor opposed so that's carried did you want your no no

[0:44:23] Trustee Maude: it's fine it's understandable

[0:44:25] Voice 15: i want us to be aware that shoreline things are it's a dangerous shifting area now

[0:44:35] Voice 6: it is a good like your comment is very fair you know like that's that is a i think that

[0:44:44] Voice 6: we rely on like this history quite often yeah what it is and strangely enough like you can get

[0:44:51] Voice 6: history on this island you just have to ask the right person yeah you can

[0:44:54] Voice 6: find out all kinds of

[0:44:55] Voice 6: stuff that has happened like coming up with the with the airfield and and i had a i had george

[0:45:01] Voice 6: hudson burn into the farm yesterday looking for this shroud that had apparently been on the farm

[0:45:09] Voice 6: somewhere 15 to 20 years ago and wanted to know if it was still hiding in a hangar

[0:45:14] Voice 6: somewhere and i was just like dude i don't even know what you're talking about you know but he

[0:45:20] Voice 6: fully he between he and i and it's just like yeah like that the people know stuff about this island

[0:45:28] Voice 6: that you'll never make it in a buck so well

[0:45:31] Voice 15: and this is the challenge that we have is there's a

[0:45:33] Voice 15: a lot of local knowledge on how things have been and that's super helpful for us um as many of you

[0:45:38] Voice 15: know i'm a climate scientist and like i had the luxury of sitting down a month ago with the

[0:45:45] Voice 15: global expert on sea level rise and just sitting there having a beer with them like talking about

[0:45:48] Voice 15: things and he was like what's your elevation like where do you live and so i give him the

[0:45:53] Voice 15: elevation my house he's like oh that's good like and he's literally like move up everyone should

[0:45:58] Voice 15: moving up right and because the land's adjusting to the sea and like we have to be particularly

[0:46:05] Voice 15: careful um so like any new build or anything you put money or resources in it's your choices to

[0:46:12] Voice 15: do that in different ways think carefully about how you're doing it okay thank you

[0:46:19] Voice 15: all right all

[0:46:20] Trustee Maude: right so we'll move on page 68 which is mppl dvp 2026.0126

[0:46:27] Trustee Maude: Telford. Is the applicant with us today? Oh, there we go.

[0:46:31] Trustee Maude: Good stuff. And over to Tyler Voucher again.

[0:46:36] Voice 1: Thank you. Yes, this is a new development variance permit application

[0:46:39] Voice 1: to relax the interior side lot line of

[0:46:43] Voice 1: 3.0 meters for

[0:46:48] Voice 1: 2607 Gunwale Road to allow

[0:46:51] Voice 1: the construction of a new accessory garage building.

[0:46:54] Voice 1: The application was made following a surveying error which incorrectly identified the location of the existing dwelling on the property and led to the proposed garage building being closer to the interior lot line setback than it was originally believed to be.

[0:47:12] Voice 1: So the applicant is requesting the variance to allow the garage to be cited as originally proposed, which is 0.82 meters from the interior side lot line.

[0:47:24] Voice 1: and there's been no responses to the public

[0:47:28] Voice 1: notification. However, the applicant has identified that the neighboring

[0:47:32] Voice 1: property who shares the interior side lot line is supportive of

[0:47:36] Voice 1: the application and staff consider that the variance

[0:47:40] Voice 1: is reasonable given the site context and

[0:47:43] Voice 1: the elevation. It's based on the current

[0:47:48] Voice 1: driveway location. It would be difficult or

[0:47:52] Voice 1: or impossible to relocate the garage elsewhere

[0:47:55] Voice 1: on the property.

[0:47:57] Voice 1: So yeah, based on all of this staff support

[0:48:00] Voice 1: the recommendation that the North Pender Island

[0:48:03] Voice 1: Local Trust Committee approve issuance

[0:48:05] Voice 1: of development variance permit PLDVP-2026-0126.

[0:48:11] Voice 1: Thank you.

[0:48:13] Voice 12: Questions?

[0:48:15] Voice 12: Big error.

[0:48:17] Voice 6: That

[0:48:17] Voice 12: was

[0:48:18] Voice 6: my biggest question.

[0:48:21] Voice 6: I know I had to bring in the survey error

[0:48:23] Voice 6: and i was like you know look at i can see the two pins like do you think that looks like 30 bt

[0:48:29] they're like no i might just put it back 20 feet i guess and

[0:48:33] Voice 3: i have no idea how they made such an

[0:48:35] Voice 6: egregious error but is there like any kind of uh he did he resurveyed so the survey that we have

[0:48:44] Voice 6: was a survey they did that for free and uh hopefully once we

[0:48:49] Voice 3: get approved once we do the

[0:48:50] Voice 3: foundation we can get them to resurvey that just to have a file that um that it was properly and

[0:49:00] Voice 6: just so you guys know like there is within the pc building code we're going to be

[0:49:03] Voice 6: compliant with the wire protection um subsection which entails like basically putting some

[0:49:12] fire retardant drywall on the outside and cladding the whole thing in sheet metal

[0:49:16] all and basically not building leaves so

[0:49:19] Voice 6: if there was a fire i guess on our neighbor's house it

[0:49:23] Voice 6: would jump to our roof basically like a color party wall yeah you know and yeah

[0:49:31] Voice 6: and like if

[0:49:32] Voice 6: you're especially if you're building two units that are touching each other there's a certain

[0:49:36] Voice 6: distance that has to be fire proofed on the outside yeah yeah and their their friend like

[0:49:44] their house is

[0:49:46] Voice 3: from there probably 25 feet away so it's actually pretty far from their property

[0:49:53] Voice 3: line

[0:49:53] Voice 6: and then they are supportive i

[0:49:56] Voice 8: wish they'd written in

[0:49:58] Voice 6: but yeah i've worked next door to your

[0:50:02] Voice 6: place a couple times on the in the cul-de-sac it

[0:50:07] Voice 7: is

[0:50:09] Voice 6: super handy when applications come in you're

[0:50:11] Voice 6: like oh

[0:50:12] Voice 7: yeah i know

[0:50:13] Voice 6: that place i know and what bruce is saying about the elevation on the driveway

[0:50:17] Voice 6: and the access into it and where it would be sited like i understood that to me is it the

[0:50:23] Voice 6: the neighbors that are directly like you're looking at the product to the right or is it

[0:50:27] Voice 6: the people on the back and to the

[0:50:29] Voice 6: left of us actually if you're looking at the driveway

[0:50:32] Voice 6: it'd be to the left of us that shares the same problem with that there would be no

[0:50:41] Voice 6: No, it wouldn't affect.

[0:50:42] Voice 6: No, it's a long, because it's a long way in there.

[0:50:45] Voice 6: Yeah.

[0:50:46] Voice 15: How much is the, roughly, do you know how much you're spent on doing this variance permit?

[0:50:52] Voice 15: The variance is about $2,000.

[0:50:55] Voice 15: So you should definitely recover that from your surveyor.

[0:50:59] Voice 15: Yeah.

[0:50:59] Voice 15: Just like,

[0:51:00] Voice 15: because that's the real, that you have

[0:51:02] Voice 15: to go through this process to like,

[0:51:04] Voice 15: so historically in situations like this, we've done one of two things.

[0:51:09] Voice 15: maybe they're just giving the variants because it's just like chaos you know like this kind of

[0:51:14] Voice 15: survey thing i in my eight years it's happened three times i think um yeah survey problem um

[0:51:21] Voice 15: but you know one was like they were advised to get a survey and they got a buddy and like that

[0:51:26] Voice 15: was their fault and i'm like go to variance board like that's not my problem like and so and then

[0:51:32] Voice 15: they went for hardship to create actually they did something different they used a loophole but um

[0:51:36] Voice 15: um so you know rectifying an honest mistake is a different issue right like that's just

[0:51:43] Voice 15: it happens occasionally and you know surveyors make mistakes too so we trust them a lot to do

[0:51:50] Voice 15: the right thing and get things in the right places so um i don't really have a problem

[0:51:54] Voice 15: with adjusting this and approving this in this situation um it would be ideal if we had writing

[0:52:02] Voice 15: direct communication with your neighbor

[0:52:04] Voice 15: because

[0:52:04] Voice 15: the next letter we get in here that's

[0:52:08] Voice 15: frustrated with us will be from your neighbor

[0:52:10] Voice 15: if they don't actually agree.

[0:52:14] Voice 15: Nervous

[0:52:14] Trustee Maude: about

[0:52:15] Voice 15: that, does the planner have any

[0:52:16] Voice 15: communication with your neighbor, whoever

[0:52:18] Voice 15: did this application or no?

[0:52:20] Trustee Maude: What about you?

[0:52:23] Voice 1: No, I haven't

[0:52:25] Voice 1: had any kind of communication.

[0:52:27] Voice 15: That's my only concern.

[0:52:29] Voice 15: We

[0:52:30] Voice 3: could definitely get you a

[0:52:31] Voice 3: letter of support from them.

[0:52:34] Voice 3: because it wouldn't be sent into so can

[0:52:38] Voice 15: we approve it pending the letter of support from

[0:52:40] Voice 15: the neighbor can we do that i

[0:52:42] Voice 3: don't see why we can't

[0:52:44] Voice 6: so

[0:52:44] Voice 15: if we can do that i feel fine

[0:52:46] Voice 15: that totally fine about that

[0:52:47] Voice 6: because it usually takes a little there's a little lag between

[0:52:49] Voice 6: approval and then the time that like we see them get sent out yeah but even

[0:52:55] Voice 15: like an email from your

[0:52:56] Voice 15: neighbor to the planner it doesn't have

[0:52:57] Voice 15: to be like overly complicated just so that we know that the

[0:53:00] Voice 15: neighbor has isn't like that would be helpful because otherwise literally it's just a due

[0:53:05] Voice 15: diligence issue the divinity is really okay or is it just you saying like so i would like that

[0:53:12] Voice 15: you can do that i'm told yes

[0:53:13] Trustee Maude: so that's kind of doctor is it the motion would just be

[0:53:17] Trustee Maude: they'd be approved subsequent to receiving a letter from the neighbor i think

[0:53:29] Trustee Maude: i

[0:53:30] Voice 1: think we would in this case uh just hold off giving a motion until

[0:53:34] Voice 1: uh we receive a letter and then we could do a resolution without a meeting

[0:53:39] Voice 1: uh and send that to you and and then it could be approved from there

[0:53:46] Voice 15: so i just want to explain that just because that's very technical so that basically means that

[0:53:53] Voice 15: we are basically agreeing that this is okay to do this variance right now,

[0:53:58] Voice 15: but we can't make a motion because we don't have the letter. So if we get a letter, an email,

[0:54:03] Voice 15: then we can just do an email chain, which we can't debate. We're not allowed to debate the

[0:54:07] Voice 15: email in this non-public meeting. So we'll just call the vote by email and we will be like agree

[0:54:14] Voice 15: or disagree based on the fact that we got the letter. Okay. So that's how the technical aspect

[0:54:18] Voice 15: of how that works because

[0:54:19] Voice 15: we're not allowed to be in a non-public form so

[0:54:22] Trustee Maude: so and time frame wise

[0:54:24] Trustee Maude: it's like literally as quick as you can

[0:54:25] Trustee Maude: get your neighbors singing like the next day we'll be doing

[0:54:29] Trustee Maude: it so this is 50 yeah yeah so

[0:54:31] Voice 15: then we can shoot out the motion and then that's

[0:54:35] Trustee Maude: it yeah and then

[0:54:36] Trustee Maude: i will just say if your neighbor is available and you know if you get him to shoot kind of

[0:54:42] Trustee Maude: belligerent email in the next hour we can do the motion here yeah so

[0:54:46] Trustee Maude: that's

[0:54:48] Voice 15: what i would do

[0:54:50] Voice 15: personally so

[0:54:52] Trustee Maude: planet i'll just give you an awareness you might see an email coming in

[0:54:56] Trustee Maude: that way don't hesitate to let us know they just arrived

[0:54:58] Voice 15: okay

[0:55:00] Trustee Maude: do that okay

[0:55:03] Trustee Maude: thank

[0:55:04] Voice 15: you for the castle i'm sorry you dealt with a surveyor who's frustrating and i encourage you

[0:55:10] Voice 15: to recover that either in civil claims or directly with the survey so that's a no-no

[0:55:14] Voice 15: they're licensed to ensure that kind of thing

[0:55:16] Trustee Maude: but it does happen but for my property

[0:55:21] Trustee Maude: i had a dispute with highways but they should

[0:55:23] Voice 12: suffer a little bit of the burn for that

[0:55:28] Trustee Maude: but highways they surveyed three times and got three different results

[0:55:32] Trustee Maude: that's the intervention so i

[0:55:35] Voice 16: used to survey like forestry around them all right all

[0:55:38] Trustee Maude: right so well

[0:55:39] Trustee Maude: All right, so moving on, on page 85, we have NPPLQP 2026-10167-85.

[0:55:53] Trustee Maude: Is the applicant here with us?

[0:55:56] Trustee Maude: We go.

[0:55:57] Trustee Maude: All right.

[0:55:58] Trustee Maude: So over to you, I believe, again, plan a voucher.

[0:56:01] Voice 1: Thank you.

[0:56:02] Voice 1: Yes, this is a new temporary use permit application for the operation of an annual three-day arts

[0:56:09] Voice 1: festival in taking place generally in August or the for the first weekend of August I believe

[0:56:15] Voice 1: so the TUP application was submitted after the applicant discovered the requirement for a

[0:56:21] Voice 1: temporary experiment for the operation of a festival on the agricultural zone property

[0:56:26] Voice 1: festival had previously operated at this same location for the past two summers without a

[0:56:32] Voice 1: permit. And the property is directly east of the Pender Community Hall property and the festival

[0:56:40] Voice 1: is proposed to take place from July 31st to August 2nd this summer. And that use would include

[0:56:49] Voice 1: optional camping on the property. The property is within the Agricultural Land Reserve and requires

[0:56:57] Voice 1: requires a non-farm use application to comply with the ALC regulations, given that the festival is

[0:57:05] Voice 1: over the maximum event allowance for the ALC regulations. And so the applicant is working

[0:57:15] Voice 1: towards this permit. However, due to the significant time required to complete the permit,

[0:57:23] Voice 1: The festival will operate without an ALC permit in 2026 if it's approved today, and the permit will be completed for the 2027 festival, and the ALC is aware of all of that.

[0:57:35] Voice 1: Um, uh, the maximum attendance of the festival is expected to be 800 people, which has been

[0:57:42] Voice 1: included as a condition in the draft permit.

[0:57:45] Voice 1: And, uh, along with, uh, 450 parking spaces that can be provided both on the subject property,

[0:57:53] Voice 1: uh, as well as the Pender community hall property, and then also the property directly to the

[0:57:59] Voice 1: the south which is a field which can be used if specifically during the fair or the market

[0:58:11] Voice 1: when there might be significantly more people. So waste management, portable toilets, garbage

[0:58:19] Voice 1: and recycling for the event are all being handled by a local waste management company and drinking

[0:58:24] Voice 1: drinking water will be brought onto the site for guest use.

[0:58:28] Voice 1: And in response to the public correspondence,

[0:58:31] Voice 1: there was one letter of concern regarding the size of the event,

[0:58:35] Voice 1: the amount of parking, and the impact of the event on the wildlife

[0:58:38] Voice 1: and the farm life of neighboring properties.

[0:58:42] Voice 1: And there's no other responses to the public notification.

[0:58:46] Voice 1: Staff will support the temporary use permit application,

[0:58:50] Voice 1: given that the draft permit provides conditions consistent

[0:58:53] Voice 1: with the official community plan guidelines to ensure there is not an unreasonable impact

[0:58:57] Voice 1: on the surrounding area, and the fact that the festival operated for two years at the

[0:59:02] Voice 1: proposed location without any complaints received to bylaw enforcement, and the applicant is

[0:59:09] Voice 1: working towards approval with the ALC to reach compliance with the ALR regulation.

[0:59:17] Voice 1: Regulation. So staff support the recommendation that the North Pender Local Trust Committee

[0:59:22] Voice 1: approve issuance of Temporary Use Permit PLTUP-2026-0167 for a period of three years.

[0:59:31] Voice 1: Thank you.

[0:59:40] Trustee Maude: Thank you. We're a little unstable with our internet right now, so

[0:59:45] Trustee Maude: you're

[0:59:46] Voice 15: kind of rapping at us

[0:59:48] Voice 15: we like

[0:59:50] Trustee Maude: this trustees questions this

[0:59:54] Voice 15: is great like i'm happy that this has been going on

[1:00:00] Voice 15: HAB-Masyn Moyer- You know the Community organization doing this work and it's been great, so I, you know the technicalities of working on our land for festivals are challenging, so I think getting a three year from an employee, so we have to do this every year is going to be helpful.

[1:00:15] Voice 15: I'm good with this and I I know that the concerns about parking. I mean that's a general thing on tender that you know if we had a bus or you know, like those types of things would really be some of that problem. But at least it's also we're all, you

[1:00:30] Voice 16: know, and it's that's a real hole up there.

[1:00:33] Voice 6: I had

[1:00:36] Voice 6: I talked to Sarah, I think it was, originally about it, and I would say, I mean, I was talking to somebody, I said, this is kind of like the Panda Trail, if you weren't going to be supportive of most festivals, just get

[1:00:55] Voice 12: out of the way.

[1:01:02] Voice 6: But there was a few things last year similar to Mosaic and there was another event that

[1:01:13] Voice 6: was held on the island that it was actually quite surprising how upset people were with

[1:01:18] Voice 6: how the, I think it was sort of a security, was handled in parking, especially along

[1:01:25] Voice 6: on uh bedwell being the only road to the ferry so i had said that was one of the things that i had

[1:01:32] Voice 6: sort of mentioned to sarah right right at the beginning was like really controlling the effect

[1:01:39] Voice 6: of the rest of the of the festival and the rest of the community um i think would be is pretty

[1:01:47] Voice 6: important and again it sort of speaks back to that somebody did write a letter which um but

[1:01:53] Voice 6: But that kind of like taking public complaints when you're getting bread or whatever, you know, or somebody sounding off at you in a different event, you encourage them to go through a proper channel for it, but you can't not hear it either.

[1:02:09] Voice 6: yeah right so not not as like a like saying it as a condition of anything but just that would

[1:02:15] Voice 6: be something that i would really encourage the folks that are hosting the event to be conscious

[1:02:22] Voice 6: of how if the effect the rest of the community goes on and the number of people that come that

[1:02:27] Voice 6: was the other thing that put the other event was it was sort of an uncontrolled uh ticketing

[1:02:34] Voice 6: process without a cap on the other and all of a sudden it was it was not positive like as much

[1:02:40] Voice 6: as there was positive for the for the percent of the community that went there there was very not

[1:02:46] Voice 6: positive effect for other people that and people showing up in their yard camping

[1:02:51] Voice 6: were sleeping on the side of the road that you know so just yeah the control aspect i think is

[1:02:58] Voice 6: and Sarah did mention that they're looking at getting an actual security company maybe to

[1:03:03] Voice 6: write a plan or do something that that helped control the security of where people are going

[1:03:12] Voice 6: outside of the events yeah coordinating

[1:03:17] Voice 15: with other places too like the Drinkwood or

[1:03:19] Voice 15: where else there might be but like to you know maybe not have a parking out there

[1:03:24] Voice 15: how parking is distributed in other places, the link shuttling a little bit to just spread out.

[1:03:29] Voice 15: Keeping it off that road is going to be critical because that's so chaotic and so dangerous when

[1:03:35] Voice 15: people are walking between cars and walking into the road. And

[1:03:38] Voice 6: the RC and an interface with the

[1:03:40] Voice 6: RC as well

[1:03:41] Voice 6: because I didn't find that out of the hard way, I just found it out in the discussion

[1:03:49] Voice 6: that if they they the rcp can find you for having having to be involved because it requires more

[1:04:02] Voice 6: staffing for them

[1:04:03] Voice 16: because

[1:04:04] Voice 6: they are at a limited amount of people here and they have to bring in

[1:04:09] Voice 6: that's the coming step oh it's there's an extra group that they'll send over that you know that

[1:04:17] Voice 6: then that event is can be liable for that cost so it's just it would be a good conversation to

[1:04:25] Voice 6: have if not our stations yeah

[1:04:27] Voice 16: lots of work and labor but good to get out of the basement so

[1:04:34] Voice 6: that the north panahoula local trust committee approved insurance of temporary use permit pltup

[1:04:41] Voice 6: 2026-0167 for a period of three years for the discussion call

[1:04:49] Trustee Maude: a question all in favor that's

[1:04:50] Trustee Maude: great thank you very much thank you planner voucher and uh we'll stand by and see if we're

[1:04:56] Trustee Maude: going to be calling you back all right so we'll move on to page 104 which is nppl rz 2024-0110

[1:05:07] Trustee Maude: zero or bingham that's understandably the

[1:05:12] Voice 5: chair uh so this is bringing back uh braden's application

[1:05:18] Voice 5: at 334 for washington road uh bringing the stormwater management plan back to the ltc

[1:05:25] Voice 5: which is the final requirement of the terms of reference that was issued to the applicants

[1:05:31] Voice 5: after receiving the preliminary report, the industrial stormwater management plan provides

[1:05:43] Voice 5: recommendations and a plan for the design and stormwater management of the buildings

[1:05:49] Voice 5: that are proposed.

[1:05:51] Voice 5: This would also be subject to the OCBC building code design and approval at building permit

[1:05:59] Voice 5: stage and also an assessment of surface water runoff from the site and in this

[1:06:07] Voice 5: case recommending that precautionary approach installing a surface water

[1:06:15] Voice 5: capture and treatment system including an oil interceptor with overflow on the

[1:06:22] Voice 5: lowest point of the property to capture any runoff from the biggest risk would

[1:06:30] Voice 5: be the use of machinery and the hydrocarbons and heavy metals and other aspects there's not a lot

[1:06:37] Voice 5: of heavy industrial use or production of industrial wastewater there's no industrial as it's defined

[1:06:46] Voice 5: the use of water on the site is just for the bathroom that's

[1:06:52] Voice 5: proposed to be from up the hill there's a proposed design given this early stage

[1:07:01] Voice 5: staff are accepting this uh engineering report there's been a fair bit of back and forth uh

[1:07:07] Voice 5: about uh recommending that if the ltc receives this report that you direct the

[1:07:12] Voice 5: applicant that if applicant if the rezoning is approved as part of that they would be entering

[1:07:19] Voice 5: a section 219 covenant with the

[1:07:21] Voice 5: ltc requiring that they install the system uh uh that would

[1:07:26] Voice 5: be installed based on the current information and data around stormwater so it's in five years

[1:07:35] Voice 5: over 10 years when they get to that development and that they also provide documentation for the

[1:07:44] Voice 5: maintenance and operation of that. We do have William on the Zoom and I believe Mr. Bigum is

[1:07:58] Voice 5: also online. So that is the point of this report or this staff report is to bring this report to

[1:08:05] Voice 5: you. Any questions and comments or if you need anything else from the applicant at this time

[1:08:10] Voice 5: or if you're willing to receive it at this point staff are still working on the bylaws have been

[1:08:17] Voice 5: sent over for referral there's been a number of submissions back and staff are still working

[1:08:22] Voice 5: through all of those and we'll bring you a full summary of all the referrals we've received

[1:08:28] Voice 5: and how we've worked to communicate with to address questions or provide more information

[1:08:46] Voice 5: I think

[1:08:48] Voice 6: prior to the submission that we had earlier, my one question was, where is, like there's a containment, or there's a catchment plan, but where's it going?

[1:09:05] Voice 6: and so it would just charge into the ditch just as storm water would now which there very fairly

[1:09:16] Voice 6: is that there isn't really one there uh i'm just i'm just that i'm just this is my question i don't

[1:09:24] Voice 6: know that there is an answer at this at this juncture but that

[1:09:29] Voice 5: you could ask for ditch

[1:09:31] Voice 5: improvements along that perimeter the dish runs out on this miles's property even more so there's

[1:09:40] Voice 5: even less of a ditch almost well i'm just like yeah

[1:09:42] Voice 6: i'm thinking in that whole stretch there

[1:09:45] Voice 6: along from like the the both the adjacent properties the one that's completely paved

[1:09:51] Voice 6: right into the end of the parking lot so i don't really well

[1:09:59] Voice 3: simply the

[1:10:00] Trustee Maude: consultant would have

[1:10:02] considered is it is because it's quite gravelly area

[1:10:08] Voice 6: does it just absorb naturally the low

[1:10:10] Voice 6: the low spot in that whole area is the works that are across the road right like that's like

[1:10:18] Voice 6: south ridge is his level

[1:10:20] Voice 7: the

[1:10:21] Voice 6: lumber yard is i mean has has a bit of a max i guess to it

[1:10:28] Voice 6: um but that is basically comes straight out from the yard out onto the road

[1:10:35] Voice 6: applicant's property neighbor's property or all i don't think a ditch really picks up until the

[1:10:42] Voice 6: opposite side and then yeah i just so we

[1:10:47] Trustee Maude: have the applicant uh raymond if you have something to add

[1:10:50] Trustee Maude: to this can

[1:10:53] Voice 10: you guys hear me all good we

[1:10:55] Trustee Maude: got you okay

[1:10:56] Voice 10: uh yeah the drainage hold

[1:10:57] Voice 15: on one second

[1:10:59] Voice 15: Okay, Brayden, we've got two people.

[1:11:01] Voice 17: Yeah.

[1:11:01] Voice 17: Hold on.

[1:11:03] Voice 17: So, what do you want to do?

[1:11:05] Voice 17: Do you want to let Brayden speak first?

[1:11:07] Voice 17: Will you let Brayden speak first?

[1:11:09] Voice 17: Yeah, okay.

[1:11:09] Voice 17: Okay, Brayden, go ahead.

[1:11:11] Voice 10: Yeah, no, I can hear my grandfather

[1:11:15] Voice 10: echoing in the background there.

[1:11:16] Voice 10: So, yeah, I just wanted to, you know,

[1:11:17] Voice 10: kind of go along with what Aaron

[1:11:18] Voice 1: was saying there as well.

[1:11:20] Voice 10: You know, the hardware store probably really is the high point,

[1:11:23] Voice 10: and, you know, it kind of breaks, you know,

[1:11:25] Voice 10: I would say more east to west from there.

[1:11:27] Voice 10: so you know really we're accepting some of that water from you know the home hardware paved surface

[1:11:32] Voice 10: as it flows you know down further towards um port washington and then you know they're taking some

[1:11:38] Voice 10: of their water and it's going towards hope bay so you know i kind of think that that you know

[1:11:41] Voice 10: home hardware is kind of the high point with the water break in either direction yes of course

[1:11:46] Voice 10: uh the works yard again is probably another couple meters below the elevation of my yard as well but

[1:11:52] Voice 10: But again, yeah, due to the, you know, the gravelly sandy material there, there's, you know, it's not a clay laden soil.

[1:12:00] Voice 10: So it's, you know, everything's fairly free draining, you know, throughout those properties.

[1:12:05] Voice 10: So, yes, you know, I, you know, the comment I will make is, you know, that stormwater management plan, you know, kind of does show a discharge directing to Sarah's property.

[1:12:16] Voice 10: the engineer and i kind of chatted about that is there is an actual another ditch that runs

[1:12:20] Voice 10: north south along that property line um so it was just we thought it would be best to discharge into

[1:12:27] Voice 10: there either way that storm water can be discharged into the ditch on the side of the road

[1:12:35] Voice 10: totally there is not there's not a good ditch there you know it doesn't

[1:12:39] Voice 10: it's it's very minimal um not to say that it could get improved um but yeah i mean and historically

[1:12:47] Voice 10: like uh flows like after huge significant rain events i mean there's definitely no road flooding

[1:12:53] Voice 10: or anything along that section so yeah anyways that's just a couple points i had to say thank you

[1:13:10] Voice 6: Yeah, and then her bringing that up is, like, as far as I knew, you can have a source of

[1:13:21] Voice 6: contamination within, like, contamination being a loose term, because even your septic

[1:13:28] Voice 6: field would be considered in town is within 100 feet

[1:13:32] Voice 7: 100

[1:13:33] Voice 6: 100 feet discharged to underground

[1:13:35] Voice 6: because it takes at least 100 feet for microbes to deal with it so i don't know how you do that

[1:13:43] i do know that the well

[1:13:44] Voice 6: that's in operation at the lumberyard is not the well it's a

[1:13:49] Voice 6: be good for drinking water and stuff all the other complete kind of words to get into but

[1:14:01] Voice 6: so the well that is on there is yeah but the

[1:14:10] Voice 16: well on sarah miles property in that corner of

[1:14:13] Voice 16: her property is for drinking water i don't understand that's

[1:14:17] Voice 3: too much i think that's a

[1:14:21] Voice 5: shallow well that's down there and that's her wildness up slow but maybe braden has a better

[1:14:31] Voice 5: understanding of the wells braden you can speak to that it's a sense of this image yeah the blue

[1:14:39] Voice 5: yeah

[1:14:40] Voice 7: yeah

[1:14:44] Voice 10: so to be totally honest with you i'm not a hundred percent sure of where the

[1:14:47] Voice 10: well is on home hardware i believe that the drinking water portion of that well aaron was

[1:14:53] Voice 10: cutting out a little bit um so i can hear exactly what you're saying but i believe that that is

[1:14:56] Voice 10: actually a little further up the hill um if i'm not mistaken i'm but i don't quote me on that i'm

[1:15:02] Voice 10: not 100 sure um you know there are some comments about uh well water testing and i again i don't

[1:15:11] Voice 10: want to speak to other people's property but i'm sure that you know home hardware um selling

[1:15:16] Voice 10: potable water I'm sure has to adhere to some kind of testing requirements so you

[1:15:22] Voice 10: know whether that's something that should be done some sampling of wells in

[1:15:27] Voice 10: the nearby area I mean like if that's a part of the process then to create a

[1:15:31] Voice 10: baseline and that's I guess what needs to happen right you know I don't you

[1:15:35] Voice 10: know I don't know what more to say I mean I kind of pushing that MSR to

[1:15:40] Voice 10: handle that but if that's a

[1:15:41] Voice 10: suggestion and that's what we should look at then

[1:15:43] and

[1:15:43] Voice 10: that's, I guess, what we can do.

[1:15:47] Trustee Maude: One

[1:15:48] Voice 5: question I would have to that is,

[1:15:49] Voice 5: what contaminants are you concerned about?

[1:15:52] Voice 5: So there is like heavy machinery use on the property,

[1:15:55] Voice 5: but there's no, unlike the grammar application,

[1:16:00] Voice 5: for example, where there's actually a production

[1:16:02] Voice 5: of air contamination.

[1:16:05] Voice 5: So at what point does that heavy machinery use warrant

[1:16:10] Voice 5: a whole full-blown well water investigation. What's being proposed is to treat the surface

[1:16:21] Voice 5: water that runs out of there so that at least if there are materials collecting in those

[1:16:26] Voice 5: gravels over time when they get flushed out. But I think that both the engineer and our

[1:16:34] Voice 5: hydrogeologist don't have concerns, don't have groundwater concerns of the activities

[1:16:38] Voice 5: activities on the landing

[1:16:38] Voice 6: site does William know any of the well and he's dropped off so oh yeah

[1:16:46] Voice 6: if

[1:16:47] Trustee Maude: you

[1:16:52] Voice 5: could speak to that other blue dot that's on her lawn and what you know of that well

[1:16:59] Voice 5: and is that her drinking water that's a that's adjacent to uh your storm water

[1:17:08] Voice 10: yeah as far as i am to understand is the well that her drinking water is there so and on the

[1:17:16] Voice 10: g well site whatever the government registry site there's only the one well registered which is the

[1:17:20] Voice 10: well that is that looks close to that location but her actual drilled well where the piping and

[1:17:26] Voice 10: everything as far as i know again i don't 100 no there is a drilled well further directly north of

[1:17:34] Voice 10: that well like in line at the base of the slope so i i will say that so i i don't know where that

[1:17:41] Voice 10: where her drinking water is specifically coming from there is actually another well drilled on

[1:17:44] Voice 10: her property up above i don't know whether that's in use as well on the previous um drawings and

[1:17:51] Voice 10: site plans did i lose you guys did i lose you yeah on pre okay sorry about that on previous

[1:18:00] Voice 10: previous um site plans there are some concerns about the diesel storage so the I have this

[1:18:07] Voice 10: survey actually mark up the 30 meter radius around the diesel fuel tank so it doesn't look like it's

[1:18:13] Voice 10: in that drawing that she has sent now but if you look back to the previous um you know site plans

[1:18:19] Voice 10: of where things are now you can actually see the radius of where the fuel tank is so that gives you

[1:18:23] Voice 10: a bit of a reference even to where her property line is to where the home hardware property line

[1:18:27] Voice 10: is just more pertaining to any of that you know fuel or you know that kind of storage right that

[1:18:34] Voice 10: i am well outside of um the 30 meter setback requirements for for fuel to drinking water i

[1:18:41] Voice 10: guess i don't know what the regulation is called but go ahead

[1:18:50] Voice 3: i can tell you a little bit more

[1:18:51] Voice 3: about their wells yeah if i could change the picture

[1:19:03] Voice 7: that one there

[1:19:04] Voice 7: that one's not

[1:19:06] Trustee Maude: well

[1:19:08] Trustee Maude: originally

[1:19:08] Trustee Maude: originally

[1:19:10] Trustee Maude: the one closer to the road

[1:19:13] Trustee Maude: well the neighbor before

[1:19:15] Trustee Maude: his well went dry

[1:19:18] Trustee Maude: broke down

[1:19:19] Trustee Maude: and they couldn't drill it out

[1:19:20] Voice 3: or whatever the case was

[1:19:21] Voice 3: so he dug down

[1:19:23] Voice 3: and he was taking the water

[1:19:28] Voice 3: for his house up there

[1:19:29] Voice 3: then over towards the block

[1:19:32] Voice 3: to the north west here that's the one you build and that's where they take the bottom

[1:19:38] Voice 6: line yes

[1:19:40] Voice 6: so i i understand that piece of road there because of the selection with harbour store as well

[1:19:53] Voice 6: is that those i think really sort of the three wells that are there in the bottom of the valley

[1:20:01] Voice 6: are not really

[1:20:04] Voice 6: I don't know if it's

[1:20:06] Voice 6: they weren't very

[1:20:07] Voice 6: they weren't producing

[1:20:09] Voice 6: to hear that the one had gone

[1:20:11] Voice 6: I don't even know if there's water in the one behind the

[1:20:13] Voice 6: harbour

[1:20:14] Voice 6: the harbour store had to drill a secondary

[1:20:17] Voice 6: well

[1:20:20] Voice 6: but it's coming from

[1:20:21] Voice 6: up the hill like quite a ways

[1:20:23] Voice 6: in fact that water machine runs

[1:20:25] Voice 6: off of head pressure

[1:20:27] Voice 6: there's no pump on it

[1:20:28] Voice 6: it just comes down

[1:20:30] Voice 6: and it comes down like it's got to be

[1:20:32] Voice 6: like 68 feet up the hill

[1:20:34] Voice 6: to get the amount of pressure that's

[1:20:36] Voice 6: coming out of it

[1:20:38] Voice 6: there's question as to whether it's a legal well

[1:20:40] Voice 6: or not up there

[1:20:41] Voice 6: and whether it's ever been properly

[1:20:44] Voice 6: registered

[1:20:45] Voice 6: the one that we built

[1:20:47] Voice 6: it's registered

[1:20:49] Voice 6: so

[1:20:52] Trustee Maude: I would assume the hardwoods

[1:20:55] Trustee Maude: if they're selling water

[1:20:56] Trustee Maude: that's a water system

[1:20:59] Trustee Maude: So it would be totally through the application on our table.

[1:21:04] Trustee Maude: No, no, but I'm just saying, you

[1:21:05] Voice 15: know what

[1:21:07] Trustee Maude: they say, we're listening.

[1:21:11] Trustee Maude: So, trustees, what do you want to do with this?

[1:21:13] Voice 15: Okay, so I want to like, you know,

[1:21:17] Voice 15: there is a well, it is like a registered well, whether it's productive or not, it's there.

[1:21:23] Voice 15: If you are developing a stormwater management system off of light or heavy or however you

[1:21:31] Voice 15: want to frame it, industrial land, it should flow toward well.

[1:21:35] Voice 15: So I am not loving the storm management plan that has the flow of water in that drain going

[1:21:41] Voice 15: toward well.

[1:21:42] Voice 15: And so I guess, Brayden, that's the question, oh, we lost Brayden, but I guess that's the

[1:21:47] Voice 15: question that I would like to put back to the wastewater management folks.

[1:21:50] Voice 15: it is can the drainage ditch that obviously has to be actually dug can it be reconfort to be

[1:22:00] Voice 15: flowing away from the well and collecting in the opposite corner of the property and it like that

[1:22:05] Voice 15: just is about how deep you dig the one end of the ditch right so having recently had a digger

[1:22:11] Voice 15: on my own property you can do amazing things with diggers so i feel like you could alter the angle

[1:22:19] Voice 15: of the ditch to be away from the well.

[1:22:22] Voice 15: So I would like to ask that,

[1:22:25] Voice 15: if that's a possibility for the management plan.

[1:22:28] Trustee Maude: So application applicants, Braden?

[1:22:32] Voice 10: Yeah, thanks guys again.

[1:22:34] Voice 10: Yeah, so Gabby, if you actually look at too,

[1:22:36] Voice 10: one of the previous site plans,

[1:22:38] Voice 10: it actually shows elevation lines within the drawing.

[1:22:44] Voice 10: So it actually shows which way all the grades fall.

[1:22:48] Voice 10: and i mean historically you know we haven't done anything with the grading of that yard it's been

[1:22:52] Voice 10: like that pretty well since we've got it other than you know adding a little bit of gravel here

[1:22:55] Voice 10: and there um so it does kind of fall towards that ditch line naturally and and like i was saying

[1:23:02] Voice 10: before how that's drawn on the plan where that oil water separator is that can be you know turned

[1:23:09] Voice 10: you know 45 degrees before it exits our property and go out onto the to the roadside ditch no

[1:23:14] Voice 10: problem um and of course i do know a guy with a machine that can probably you know shape that

[1:23:20] Voice 10: ditch in a in a in a direction that would better take any of that water away but again we are kind

[1:23:27] Voice 10: of we're stuck with the ditch line right so um that continues down port washington road and i

[1:23:33] Voice 10: you know i don't i don't want to speak to other people's properties but applications but she does

[1:23:37] Voice 10: also have one in front of her that you know maybe would be required to have a you know a highways

[1:23:43] Voice 10: access permit and some of that drainage could effectively be dealt with then and i mean if it's

[1:23:47] Voice 10: a piece of cost i mean i think i'm happy to you know do some of that work if that's you know

[1:23:55] Voice 10: my cost to deal with that so yeah

[1:23:58] Voice 15: so so just to be clear my thought on it is that the ditch that

[1:24:02] Voice 15: the sort of drainage structure that's coming off your land i can see all the arrows and where the

[1:24:06] Voice 15: water flows there and i looked at the concourse so i'm talking about the ditch that not is the

[1:24:11] Voice 15: a road ditch which probably just needs to actually exist but like the the drainage structure that you

[1:24:17] Voice 15: have that goes into the oil separator if that can flow and the oil separator be further toward the

[1:24:23] Voice 15: hardware store then that allows you to also then push that cleaner water out towards the road

[1:24:30] Voice 15: further away from the miles property then it flows back towards it it'll just allow some

[1:24:36] Voice 15: some infiltration and settlement of that water that to me is a much better situation than pushing

[1:24:43] Voice 15: because if you ever have a failure on that filter you need to have some space between the well and

[1:24:49] Voice 15: the filter so that to me is is an issue so if the angle of the drainage on your property can be

[1:24:59] Voice 15: angled away from the mouse property to just allow for a little bit more natural time when it enters

[1:25:05] Voice 15: the street side ditch that makes sense it's

[1:25:09] Voice 6: like what they're calling the pvc storm yeah the steamy

[1:25:12] Voice 15: that so if that can be angled and i know it's a little bit complicated because of the current

[1:25:18] Voice 15: plan but that's a relatively flat piece of land which wouldn't be a huge effort i don't think to

[1:25:24] Voice 15: get that to tip slightly differently okay

[1:25:27] Voice 10: so just just one thing i just i want to make sure everybody

[1:25:29] Voice 10: understands is the water that's draining into that so they're they've they're showing catch

[1:25:34] Voice 10: catch basins proposed catch basins so that's typical yeah

[1:25:37] Voice 10: but you'd see in a parking lot

[1:25:39] Voice 10: somewhere you know the water travels into that so there's no open ditches so it you know the lowest

[1:25:43] Voice 10: part of that property unfortunately is is that you know Western Bronx you know the West West

[1:25:51] Voice 10: lot line for us to to get it to drain back towards home hardware oh that would be I mean that would

[1:25:56] Voice 10: be a huge feat just because the fact is like there's actually pipes that drain from home

[1:26:02] Voice 10: hardware like their their um asphalt surface actually drains into a common like ditch that

[1:26:08] Voice 10: we have and drains down that way all the way down that full roadside ditch so i'm happy to meet you

[1:26:13] Voice 10: on site and show you that stuff but you can see actually like where home hardware like where the

[1:26:17] Voice 10: fence is and along that side on the on the car you know right side of the plan if you're looking

[1:26:21] Voice 10: at it there's actually piping that comes under there and drains into that ditch and then it

[1:26:25] Voice 10: flows all the way down again towards port washington road so it'd

[1:26:28] Voice 1: be really really

[1:26:29] Voice 10: challenging to adjust that great like we're talking yes it is flat but on you know 200 feet

[1:26:35] Voice 10: of length it's probably you know a couple meters that would have to go down so i unfortunately i

[1:26:41] Voice 15: don't think that's

[1:26:41] Voice 10: obtainable

[1:26:42] Voice 15: but you know maybe

[1:26:43] Voice 15: it's like a halfway back situation instead of an

[1:26:47] Voice 15: all the way back like so that it's not right at the corner but because it's just about whether

[1:26:51] Voice 15: that feels good rather

[1:26:53] Voice 5: than us trying to engineer the system here in our main today yeah yeah uh what

[1:26:58] Voice 5: i'm hearing is that you don't have enough information and i think that if you could

[1:27:04] Voice 5: seek a resolution from uh the applicant's professional to provide more detail on the

[1:27:11] Voice 5: design of the stormwater management system including the existing wells uh soil slope

[1:27:17] Voice 5: flow and what was the other word and regional drainage yeah

[1:27:23] Voice 15: that would be great and my question

[1:27:25] Voice 15: would be about like how far back is it possible to the like filtration yeah

[1:27:31] Voice 5: i'm not sure like i

[1:27:33] Voice 5: agree that yeah engineering was when you start trying to move stormwater flow yeah down uphill

[1:27:39] Voice 5: it becomes a real challenge i

[1:27:42] Voice 5: think the first thing in my mind i would want to clarify is

[1:27:44] Voice 5: does that lower well actually be used or is it just sitting there as a as a

[1:27:52] Voice 5: job that's never going to be touched and that would help to maybe then influence what your

[1:27:56] Voice 5: next steps would be and i

[1:27:58] Trustee Maude: think the other thing equally that might be considered given

[1:28:02] Trustee Maude: the way that the profiles are is maybe culverting across the road

[1:28:08] Voice 12: well it's expensive yeah

[1:28:09] Trustee Maude: but it

[1:28:10] Voice 6: could be a viable option another question i guess i had was the

[1:28:17] Voice 6: distance of the well just purely off the road i

[1:28:21] Voice 16: know it's getting broken ways too like it's not

[1:28:24] Voice 16: that far

[1:28:25] Voice 6: off it was nice it's not a

[1:28:30] Trustee Maude: legal indication for a wellness but it's registered

[1:28:32] Voice 12: isn't

[1:28:33] Voice 15: it well

[1:28:33] Trustee Maude: it's probably grandfathered so

[1:28:35] Voice 15: i think you're right i think that we need to

[1:28:37] Voice 15: understand that well way more because that well is influencing a lot of this conversation so yeah

[1:28:48] Voice 7: i

[1:28:49] Voice 10: just um this conversation is all great and i appreciate it i just want to make sure that

[1:28:55] Voice 10: whatever direction we're going in is we're not steering away from you know what the actual goal

[1:29:00] Voice 10: is of this and you know the understanding as well is that you know an engineer has to sign and seal

[1:29:06] Voice 10: this system it's his risk their risk um if they design something and it poisons a well or you know

[1:29:16] Voice 10: at some point i feel that you know yes again this is all good conversation and sure we should have

[1:29:20] Voice 10: some some good data but also you know i've paid and i've engaged with this engineer been back and

[1:29:28] Voice 10: for sure maybe there's some potential holes in it but again this is a i don't want to say more

[1:29:33] Voice 10: of a draft but we don't have a finalized building location we don't have a site plan so you know

[1:29:40] Voice 10: those are the kind of things that i still am trying to work through um so yeah i just you

[1:29:44] Voice 10: know i'm happy to go do some more work as long as it's clear very clear of what we're doing

[1:29:50] Voice 10: because this is the i guess the third kick out it that we've had and we've had you know

[1:29:54] Voice 10: williams had some good valid um opinions and the engineers have had some good valid opinions

[1:30:00] Voice 10: and i just want to know where we're where we're going to land on with this uh you know with the

[1:30:05] Voice 10: professionals being involved that's all i'm not saying that that everybody else isn't but i just

[1:30:08] Voice 10: want to have a clear understanding of what you know what that looks like well

[1:30:13] Voice 6: i think i think

[1:30:14] Voice 10: we want to have a

[1:30:15] Voice 6: clear understanding of what where it's going to because my my understanding

[1:30:21] Voice 6: of it is that this i've never actually met an engineer that took responsibility for

[1:30:29] Voice 6: for fucking anything up to be honest like i understand the the yeah but it's because if it

[1:30:40] Voice 6: was just your it was just your property in question that would be the one thing it's the

[1:30:46] Voice 6: fact that that there is this supposed well my understanding of it is that you would not be

[1:30:52] Voice 6: allowed to discharge anything that close to it so i like with what i've gone through on the farm

[1:31:00] Voice 6: and where we had to locate the farm versus where the septic and everything was outside the house

[1:31:05] Voice 6: like that just was a pure calculation that didn't allow us to be any closer than that with anything

[1:31:14] Voice 6: that had to do with food or water so i'm just trying to understand how they can design this

[1:31:20] Voice 6: and say that it's okay when it's inside that.

[1:31:25] Voice 6: We have no real understanding of what the effect of it is.

[1:31:29] Voice 6: And so I don't think anybody's trying to say

[1:31:31] Voice 6: that this isn't going to be the solution.

[1:31:36] Voice 6: We just have to know that the solution

[1:31:38] Voice 6: actually works outside of the property too.

[1:31:41] Voice 6: So

[1:31:45] Voice 5: just through the chair,

[1:31:46] Voice 5: I think that a fair concern has been raised

[1:31:52] Voice 5: that your report really doesn't speak to that well.

[1:31:55] Voice 5: it's it's on your plan mark it's it's it's on your preliminary drawing but it's not even labeled

[1:32:02] Voice 5: and so at the very least clarification of that neighbor as well as a vicinity to

[1:32:09] Voice 5: your proposed discharge and whether the discharge of stormwater is considered

[1:32:15] Voice 5: and if that's a registered well and stormwater discharge coming out of an oil separator is

[1:32:27] Voice 5: impacting some regulation then that needs to be known so at the very least your engineer

[1:32:34] Voice 5: could provide a more detailed description of the existing wells and how both in a regulatory

[1:32:42] Voice 5: perspective and their professional opinion in terms of impact, how they might be impacted.

[1:32:48] Voice 5: In particular, that one on your immediate neighboring property where clearly they're

[1:32:54] Voice 5: not, they're opposed to this application and are concerned of the risks to their interests.

[1:33:02] Voice 5: So did you have a motion to sort it out?

[1:33:04] Voice 5: I do, if that's where you want to head.

[1:33:08] Voice 5: I don't know if you have a motion to it.

[1:33:10] Voice 5: i

[1:33:10] Trustee Maude: think if you know what you propose then we can sort of discuss it if that's the right

[1:33:14] Trustee Maude: just

[1:33:14] Voice 15: straight into the concerns about like how tedious this process can be going back and forth

[1:33:22] Voice 15: totally get that um and you know we talked about that when we started going down this road of going

[1:33:28] Voice 15: for a rezoning that you know

[1:33:31] Voice 15: without full community consensus without like ensuring that

[1:33:36] Voice 15: we're we're meeting the obligations of protecting well water protecting you know community planning

[1:33:42] Voice 15: concerns because this is one of two issues that were raised today one is about the water the

[1:33:47] Voice 15: second is about um just in you know period industrial activity on that corridor and so it's

[1:33:56] Voice 15: it is the ongoing dilemma of like rezoning versus allowing a temporary use in that area

[1:34:05] Voice 15: it is a very different thing because we're basically saying that that's going to be the

[1:34:10] Voice 15: use of this land for the foreseeable future and that's concerning for lots of different folks here

[1:34:17] Voice 15: whether they agree or disagree whether they understand the commercial need to work and have

[1:34:22] Voice 15: gravel for their yards or whatever it is like that's where the concern is coming from right

[1:34:26] Voice 15: and so yeah it's the ongoing challenge of finding locations that are you know getting around the

[1:34:33] Voice 15: not in my backyard problem so um okay so let's deal with the water thing in terms of just like

[1:34:42] Voice 15: clarifying that well issue i agree that with what you're saying about i think you hit the points

[1:34:46] Voice 15: so do we have an idea of what that motion would

[1:34:49] Voice 16: be um

[1:35:16] Voice 12: I'm

[1:35:17] Voice 5: going to send it to Lisa.

[1:35:18] Voice 5: Okay, thank you.

[1:35:19] Voice 5: The North Bender Coastal Committee direct applicant to provide more information on the engineered surface water capture and treatment system plan design with respect to existing neighboring wells and underlying soil slope and regional drainage.

[1:35:34] Voice 5: Yes.

[1:35:36] Voice 5: I think that would be an addendum letter to start with.

[1:35:39] Voice 5: Yeah.

[1:35:39] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:35:41] Voice 5: So moved.

[1:35:43] Voice 5: So moved.

[1:35:45] Seconded.

[1:35:46] For the discussion?

[1:35:47] No.

[1:35:47] All in favor?

[1:35:49] That's carried.

[1:35:52] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:35:54] Trustee Maude: All right.

[1:35:55] Trustee Maude: So Planner Belcher is back with, I believe, good news.

[1:35:58] Trustee Maude: So Planner Belcher.

[1:36:02] Voice 7: Yeah,

[1:36:03] Voice 1: so I sent, I forwarded the email over to all three trustees and to Brad, the support letter from the adjacent neighbor.

[1:36:13] Voice 1: So, if you'd like to return to that motion on page 68 of the agenda, you can do that.

[1:36:28] Voice 6: The North Penn Public Trust Committee approved issuance of development variance for PLDDP 2026-0126.

[1:36:40] Voice 6: Seconded.

[1:36:41] Voice 6: Discussed.

[1:36:42] Voice 12: Qualified.

[1:36:43] Trustee Maude: All in favor?

[1:36:45] Trustee Maude: Good.

[1:36:45] Trustee Maude: Technology is a wonderful thing.

[1:36:47] Voice 12: That's due diligence.

[1:36:48] Voice 12: that is

[1:36:49] Voice 6: yeah thank you you go build that garage thank

[1:36:53] Voice 12: you very much

[1:36:54] Voice 12: thank

[1:36:55] Voice 6: you planner voucher thank

[1:36:56] Trustee Maude: you guys very much

[1:36:59] Voice 12: good

[1:37:00] Trustee Maude: stuff thank you very much all right so we'll move on to page uh 141 which is mppl rz 2026

[1:37:10] Trustee Maude: dash 0178 lit yeah leaves that appropriate and there doesn't seem to be a planner assigned to

[1:37:16] Trustee Maude: that so is that you yes does it not say my name no it just says from partners southern team yeah

[1:37:28] Voice 5: so this

[1:37:30] Voice 3: is

[1:37:38] Voice 5: a preliminary report coming to you for a pretty straightforward rezoning application

[1:37:43] Voice 5: application for the property of 4609 Bedwell and Harper Road where the applicant is requesting

[1:37:51] Voice 5: that the LTC reduce the minimum average lot size at the lot to allow for a subdivision

[1:37:59] Voice 5: to occur within a lot size of just over two hectares per lot versus the minimum average

[1:38:08] Voice 5: of four to allow for a subdivision to occur to carve off a lot for his piece for gary hancho's

[1:38:18] Voice 5: needs it's consistent with the residential policies in particular with respect to the

[1:38:27] Voice 5: policy that speaks to it the law has existing houses or cottages then the ltc considers site

[1:38:35] Voice 5: site-specific amendments to allow a minimum average.

[1:38:43] Voice 5: The applications are pretty straightforward.

[1:38:46] Voice 5: There's a house and a cottage already,

[1:38:48] Voice 5: and the law would split the two as the site plan shows

[1:38:51] Voice 5: on page 143 of the package.

[1:38:56] Voice 5: The septic and water would need to be addressed.

[1:39:01] Voice 5: So currently they're both,

[1:39:03] Voice 5: Both houses are using the same water,

[1:39:07] Voice 5: and one has a legal septic field

[1:39:09] Voice 5: and one has a legal septic field.

[1:39:12] Voice 5: So they would need to demonstrate proof of septic and water

[1:39:15] Voice 5: that would be captured in terms of reference

[1:39:16] Voice 5: that would be issued to them.

[1:39:18] Voice 5: Staff are also recommending that currently the lot

[1:39:21] Voice 5: wouldn't be allowed one house and one cottage

[1:39:23] Voice 5: up to 80 meters squared.

[1:39:27] Voice 5: Staff are recommending that rezoning further restrict

[1:39:32] Voice 5: to limit the number of dwellings to one per lot so that they're not gaining an additional

[1:39:37] Voice 5: accessory component and through some discussion with the applicant rather than having a really

[1:39:43] Voice 5: small house and then the means to build a huge 450 meters max square house they're requesting

[1:39:50] Voice 5: that you allow maximum floor area on each lot to be 205 square which would permit 202 square feet.

[1:40:02] Voice 5: So direction seeking to proceed and staff will draft a bylaw and issue the terms of reference.

[1:40:11] Voice 14: This is good, this is a thoughtful way to handle this.

[1:40:15] Voice 14: It

[1:40:15] Voice 6: is. It's been a lot of years in the making, too.

[1:40:22] Voice 15: This is the only way our children are going to get property on here.

[1:40:28] Voice 15: All right, I'm good to make a motion.

[1:40:31] Voice 15: The North Penn Island Local Trust Committee directs staff to proceed with application PLRZ 2026-0178-LIDKI

[1:40:40] Voice 15: key and to prepare a draft bylaw for a site-specific rural zone for 4609 Dudwell Harbour Road that

[1:40:48] Voice 15: reduces the minimum average lot size to two hectares, limits the number of dwellings to

[1:40:54] Voice 15: one dwelling per lot with no accessory cottages, and limits the floor area of each dwelling

[1:40:59] Voice 15: to 205 metres square.

[1:41:03] Voice 3: Seconded.

[1:41:04] Voice 3: Seconded.

[1:41:04] Voice 3: For the discussion.

[1:41:06] Voice 16: That's great.

[1:41:06] Trustee Maude: Call the question.

[1:41:07] Trustee Maude: All in favour?

[1:41:08] Trustee Maude: That's carried.

[1:41:10] Voice 12: The easiest one today.

[1:41:14] Voice 12: we

[1:41:15] Trustee Maude: never know okay so now we move on to page 155 which delegation of development firms

[1:41:22] Voice 5: understand so this has been on your agenda and off agenda for quite some time through your term

[1:41:27] Voice 5: so i think it's been deferred a number of times and so now just bringing it back to

[1:41:31] Voice 5: uh for consideration of whether you want to uh provide delegation authority to staff

[1:41:38] Voice 5: for the issuance of development permits.

[1:41:41] I

[1:41:46] Voice 7: think it could be for sure.

[1:41:49] Voice 6: I wondered, it's mostly

[1:41:55] Voice 6: for like the slam dunk, no question

[1:41:59] Voice 6: mask counts, or is it all, like we would still have discussion

[1:42:04] Voice 6: on like development

[1:42:08] Voice 6: permit areas and DPAs and stuff like that, or?

[1:42:12] Voice 16: Any variants

[1:42:15] Voice 5: Yeah, variants you would, but these permits more or less would be taken out of your hands

[1:42:20] Voice 5: in most cases and dealt with by staff unless there was a trigger of lack of agreement or

[1:42:30] Voice 5: ...

[1:42:33] Trustee Maude: So staff weren't accountable, you'd bring to the LTC.

[1:42:38] Voice 5: Yeah, I think that is how it would be able to work.

[1:42:42] Voice 5: I think the only, I

[1:42:45] Voice 6: guess the only issue that I have with it is, like, I can see it really cutting down everybody's amount of work and streamlining the process so we don't get these meetings where there's five or six or seven applications that have all, like, kind of bunched up together.

[1:43:06] Voice 6: Because it wouldn't require a meeting in order to approve a permit, right?

[1:43:11] Voice 6: Right?

[1:43:11] Voice 6: Correct.

[1:43:12] Voice 6: The benefit that staff could process these.

[1:43:15] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:43:17] Voice 6: The only, like, I guess the downside to it is everybody's got an opinion.

[1:43:25] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:43:26] Voice 7: I

[1:43:26] Voice 5: mean, there is definitely, so I've noticed that shifts from the elected official to staff,

[1:43:34] Voice 5: which is not always ideal from staff perspective.

[1:43:37] Voice 5: to to be honest for my personal

[1:43:39] Voice 6: yeah professional can we act like how do you feel about that as a

[1:43:48] Voice 6: um is that a passing of the

[1:43:51] Voice 5: buck from the trustees to the you know my honest opinion

[1:43:55] Voice 5: is that you receive so few of these development permit applications and with this preserve and

[1:44:02] Voice 5: protect mandate that it's it might be kind of reasonable that the elected officials

[1:44:08] Voice 5: look at them uh versus delegation authority to a stanage planner who is processing you know

[1:44:19] Voice 5: development permit applications by the bundle or or form a character or whatever uh it's also

[1:44:28] Voice 5: pretty late in your term to be considering this you could defer again and bring this back or or

[1:44:35] Voice 5: just leave it for other trustees um to consider um but that's just why i mean i think that other

[1:44:43] Voice 5: planning staff might think that this is a good idea i would certainly do

[1:44:50] Voice 6: it was in favor of it

[1:44:51] Voice 6: i've flipped off so many times like just even different meetings i've thought about it and then

[1:45:00] Voice 6: had just just kind of accepted that last year but it wouldn't even be having this meeting just about

[1:45:07] Voice 6: but yeah but

[1:45:09] Voice 6: i do i i totally agree about the we're close to the end of our term so it's almost

[1:45:15] Voice 6: not even our call really probably we'll

[1:45:21] Voice 5: hardly even have a scenario where one is deferred and

[1:45:24] Voice 5: you're giving it to the new trustees to now then not have that

[1:45:27] Voice 6: and and i do think that it's been

[1:45:29] Voice 6: been very educational to consider these things like that's i think that's that's where the

[1:45:39] Voice 6: that's where the most probably that's where the most amounts of communication that we've had

[1:45:44] Voice 6: is i see something and i'm like i

[1:45:47] Voice 5: don't know that's probably the best tool you have to actually

[1:45:50] Voice 5: like yeah yeah

[1:45:51] Voice 5: that's right facilitate more ecological well versus a yes or no discretionary

[1:45:58] Voice 5: decision with these.

[1:46:01] Voice 15: So I'm generally not in favor of

[1:46:04] Voice 15: delegating. And I understand there are there can be

[1:46:06] Voice 15: efficiencies, especially like what you're talking about, like

[1:46:09] Voice 15: sandwich is too easy. If somebody come at you and they're

[1:46:11] Voice 15: very routine, like that's the situation. But what the main

[1:46:15] Voice 15: reason I'm not a fan of doing this is kind of the issue of

[1:46:20] Voice 15: like, I don't want staff to bring the brunt of the

[1:46:22] Voice 15: decisions. There was one where it wasn't a deferment because

[1:46:26] Voice 15: we didn't have that in place but it was a decision that staff made to interpret something it was the

[1:46:30] Voice 15: it was the building that ended up being the agricultural building around ma

[1:46:34] Voice 15: and like i just felt like staff got pummeled on that one and if somehow that had been triggered

[1:46:38] Voice 15: into like a broader conversation with trustees we would have been ahead of it right because we

[1:46:42] Voice 1: would have

[1:46:43] Voice 15: known the context more before that going through um and and it was just unfortunate

[1:46:49] Voice 15: the way it turned out but that's the kind of thing that we would just have some little knowledge

[1:46:53] Voice 15: about in it in context and i agree too with what you're saying it's just the one plate in the term

[1:47:01] Voice 15: to make this decision right here for somebody else and to i actually think it's a good learning

[1:47:05] Voice 15: curve for everyone

[1:47:06] Voice 6: there's some some of it you're going to wear it you know you're going to make

[1:47:10] Voice 6: yeah oh

[1:47:11] Voice 12: we have yes so yeah

[1:47:14] Trustee Maude: so plan it was a motion to defer or is it just through the chair

[1:47:20] Voice 5: i think i'd point you to page 157 of your package where you have two options you could consider you

[1:47:25] Voice 5: could either decide to proceed no further that doesn't mean a new ltc couldn't pick this up

[1:47:32] Voice 5: uh or you could defer consideration altogether until until the new term and let those new

[1:47:38] Voice 5: trustees pick it up and then you're educating potentially brand new trustees i i would

[1:47:43] Voice 5: personally go to uh number three yeah let's stop this discussion for now and if it

[1:47:50] Voice 5: wants to be

[1:47:51] Voice 5: picked up again yeah by your new trustees then they can they got lots of stuff to learn we have

[1:47:57] Voice 5: the stuff report to edit and bring back to them but that's what i think what i would recommend

[1:48:02] Voice 15: yeah i'm good with that okay

[1:48:03] Voice 5: whatever you're good

[1:48:05] Voice 15: at that yeah

[1:48:05] Voice 5: yeah that

[1:48:06] Voice 15: the north pender island

[1:48:07] Voice 15: local trust committee proceed no further with consideration of the delegation of issuance of

[1:48:11] Voice 15: devon for us to stop i mean this is not something they want you to bear so

[1:48:16] Trustee Maude: second for their

[1:48:18] Trustee Maude: discussion call the question all in favor that's

[1:48:22] Voice 6: carried but i wonder too like robert had to deal

[1:48:26] Voice 6: with so many different areas and was such a i mean that guy was such an encyclopedia of knowledge

[1:48:34] Voice 6: that for

[1:48:35] Voice 5: him for sure definitely way hard for me to come to a yes or a no

[1:48:40] Voice 5: totally yeah he wrote all the guidelines yeah

[1:48:43] Voice 7: like

[1:48:44] Voice 5: it's like you know so you're right yeah

[1:48:47] Voice 5: that

[1:48:48] Voice 6: wealth of knowledge isn't picked up by and not to that not to say that that it just was his

[1:48:54] Voice 6: level and his the time frame that he was involved in breakfasts yeah yeah

[1:49:00] Voice 5: so for sure him thinking

[1:49:02] Voice 5: this is a great idea i

[1:49:04] Voice 5: know versus us to interpret those guidelines

[1:49:09] Voice 6: line yes

[1:49:09] Voice 5: consistently totally this is more challenging yeah no that's

[1:49:13] Voice 16: fair okay yeah

[1:49:14] Voice 6: i just saw something like robert kajima at the bottom of it and i was like oh yeah

[1:49:22] Trustee Maude: so page 162 we have housing access to the film affordability project

[1:49:29] Voice 5: and

[1:49:29] Trustee Maude: again planet smith is

[1:49:31] Voice 5: up so you're bringing your drop bylaws back

[1:49:40] Voice 5: 162 162 so bringing your draft bylaws back which have obviously gone through a lot of work at this

[1:49:47] Voice 5: point a lot of community uh a lot of community effort

[1:49:51] Voice 1: and at least a lot of effort to engage

[1:49:53] Voice 5: the community uh i agree it was a great discussion at the cim last meeting we would like to have more

[1:49:59] Voice 5: a full room of course but people that were here were really committed you do have some really

[1:50:04] Voice 5: committee people on your pc one it's a great question

[1:50:13] Voice 5: and we had a really good meeting apc meeting on wednesday where all your apc members were there

[1:50:23] Voice 5: had a good discussion and i think a good robust discussion and at the end of that i think into

[1:50:29] Voice 5: to link into agreement with staff's recommendations

[1:50:31] Voice 5: to step back from flexible zoning

[1:50:35] Voice 5: and in your land use bylaw,

[1:50:39] Voice 5: but to continue to add language in your OCP

[1:50:43] Voice 5: that provides some like there's,

[1:50:45] Voice 5: maybe use are now referenced in your OCP

[1:50:48] Voice 5: this continues for it.

[1:50:49] Voice 5: So at least that concept's on the table

[1:50:51] Voice 5: and there's a goal added around flexibility in housing

[1:50:57] Voice 5: is the goal.

[1:50:58] Voice 5: whole opinion so so that when these applications come forward for like the triplex or the lady that

[1:51:04] Voice 5: was talking about her her dream on her lot with those conversations could be better supported by

[1:51:12] Voice 5: your ocp uh and so the recommendations are to remove i think with magic lakes future development

[1:51:20] Voice 5: and growth i think because they have the water something that still makes sense from from a

[1:51:25] Voice 5: planning perspective but getting in front of infrastructure yeah a better understanding of

[1:51:30] Voice 5: the infrastructure uh uh without a study in hand would be with a bonus on crd and be awkward so

[1:51:39] Voice 5: that's something all that flexible work around options is still there it could be revisited in

[1:51:47] Voice 5: the future if uh but i don't think we've i think most of the focus from your community and your apc

[1:51:52] Voice 5: has been around worker housing and affordable housing and trying to get a project here I think

[1:51:56] Voice 5: is what so I've sent you another referral this morning resolution this morning and this was what

[1:52:06] Voice 5: the APC suggested should be their next phase of work is to further analysis of these other pieces

[1:52:13] Voice 5: move this part forward and help to further support what a project might look like here

[1:52:17] Voice 5: including a housing agreement so with that i will uh pass it back to you to see

[1:52:24] Voice 5: seeing as 11 54 maybe we can be done by 12 25

[1:52:29] Voice 5: why didn't

[1:52:33] Voice 6: you just say that you're

[1:52:35] Voice 15: dating us all

[1:52:36] Voice 6: of a sudden the door opens

[1:52:37] Voice 6: i

[1:52:37] Voice 15: think i everything that's in here looks amazing and i'm going to go with the recommendation do

[1:52:44] Voice 15: Do you want to, would you need us to do the other resolution to, yeah, the one to have

[1:52:48] Voice 15: the advisory plan?

[1:52:50] Voice 6: That is the third resolution, yeah.

[1:52:53] Voice 6: I had a question, I guess,

[1:52:57] Voice 8: with

[1:52:58] Voice 6: respect to the amount of units that are here, and I had

[1:53:05] Voice 6: been having a discussion with someone about the potential for it to be like a crazy number

[1:53:14] Voice 6: or you know starting with sort of a reasonable number and having a like sort of like a phased

[1:53:24] Voice 6: approach based off of kind of like proof of concept is that is there a way to write that in

[1:53:31] Voice 6: like because the question had been at one point could they or the thought was that they could

[1:53:37] Voice 6: build up to 50 units on the property i think that's super aggressive right but if we're writing

[1:53:46] Voice 6: it in in a you know like let's see 20 to start with yeah

[1:53:54] Voice 5: this gets really complicated okay i

[1:53:57] Voice 5: wasn't sure what i would say is like i'm having this probably the same guy yeah uh having uh lots

[1:54:05] Voice 5: of good robust discussions with him uh 50 seems like a lot on that base and it's just too much

[1:54:13] Voice 5: and especially the lack of studies and so we agreed to move to 30 to add those conditions

[1:54:20] Voice 5: to provide some more range for them to try to find feasibility so we're suggesting you go from 20 to

[1:54:27] Voice 5: 30 and that the conditions be that they need a housing agreement community septic and water

[1:54:35] Voice 5: form and character is limited to three stories uh like detached or multiplex units and a maximum

[1:54:43] Voice 5: floor area of 3 000 square meters for all the units so that would be 100 meters max they could

[1:54:50] Voice 5: do each unit which is about a thousand square feet and a maximum floor of any one unit 120

[1:54:55] Voice 5: meters square so that would be about a 1300 square foot three bedroom unit which is probably

[1:55:01] Voice 5: that's good so he's we put quite a bit of thought into that yeah wait you know if

[1:55:08] Voice 5: water and septic studies in the future show that you've got a ton of capacity you could always

[1:55:13] Voice 5: revisit zoning and amend zoning in the future to allow that that would be more dead like 30 seems

[1:55:22] Voice 5: consistent with other projects and yeah

[1:55:25] Voice 15: and i think that approach like going to

[1:55:27] Voice 15: 30 right now

[1:55:28] Voice 15: like what that does is it also gets it up and running that's

[1:55:31] Voice 5: the point

[1:55:35] Voice 15: it's

[1:55:36] Voice 5: still way further ahead that at least the community is identified at 30 units there's quite

[1:55:42] Voice 5: a few oh yeah and

[1:55:44] Voice 15: they can fade that in if they want to

[1:55:45] Voice 5: they can still phase that in through

[1:55:46] Voice 5: build

[1:55:46] Voice 6: it out but like

[1:55:47] Voice 15: yeah

[1:55:48] Voice 6: i was thinking more like 650 square foot kind of there would be like

[1:55:54] Voice 12: some

[1:55:54] Voice 6: could be

[1:55:57] Voice 6: i don't know i built a brand new house one year that was

[1:56:00] Voice 5: yeah

[1:56:01] Voice 15: i

[1:56:05] Voice 5: think you see like we see housing like their average three bedrooms probably

[1:56:09] Voice 5: because you are trying to create a affordable house yeah for

[1:56:15] Voice 5: a family right yeah and but by

[1:56:18] Voice 8: there would also be

[1:56:19] Voice 5: studio apartments that would probably be 500 with 600 square feet

[1:56:23] Voice 5: it and that would offset having some of the other units

[1:56:25] Voice 6: with the max so you get to 30 through a

[1:56:28] Voice 6: variety yeah right through a

[1:56:30] Voice 5: variety of different units sizes

[1:56:32] Voice 6: tips and

[1:56:33] Voice 5: that i think you would have

[1:56:34] Voice 5: to have for having like you could have the housing agreement structures are like on galilee i know

[1:56:43] Voice 5: they were the definition of portable housing is is 30 of your household income which is a pretty

[1:56:51] Voice 5: is a really standard definition and the housing agreements are shaped so that as long as you're

[1:56:56] Voice 5: meeting that as an average you could even have like market rent in your three bedroom

[1:57:01] Voice 5: and then not subsidizing some deeper subsidy units as long as the average is still affordable

[1:57:08] Voice 5: so it provides more flexibility across different schemes of funding

[1:57:14] Voice 6: do we know

[1:57:16] Voice 6: know how Galiano was able to get access to I think it was the hotel tax money maybe that they got the

[1:57:25] Voice 6: two percent or something like that because I don't know

[1:57:29] Voice 6: if that was the trust that would have been

[1:57:32] Voice 6: security yeah somehow I thought that it was Lisa and Ben I'm just wondering if there was any sort

[1:57:41] Voice 6: of a framework for basically pender being able to yeah look through

[1:57:48] Voice 5: that into that before

[1:57:50] Voice 5: flex but let me if you pass a resolution yeah i

[1:57:54] Voice 5: i think it would be if there is at least to

[1:57:57] Voice 5: come to the determination

[1:57:59] Voice 6: well i don't need a resolution i'll just explore that yeah so

[1:58:03] Voice 6: what are you actually asking so somehow they were able to access i believe it was the two percent

[1:58:09] Voice 6: from hotel

[1:58:11] Voice 15: yeah hotel

[1:58:13] Voice 6: yeah

[1:58:14] Voice 15: because

[1:58:15] Voice 6: I don't know what they have for

[1:58:17] Voice 6: common large accommodations

[1:58:19] Voice 6: there they've got the

[1:58:21] Voice 6: what

[1:58:21] Voice 15: that task was for is for

[1:58:24] Voice 15: community development infrastructure work

[1:58:25] Voice 15: and so I think that's what they used

[1:58:27] Voice 15: yeah

[1:58:27] Voice 6: but I was thinking like we've got

[1:58:29] Voice 6: yeah

[1:58:32] Voice 6: because I mean even if

[1:58:34] Voice 6: it's just to turn

[1:58:36] Voice 6: we'll see what that

[1:58:38] Voice 6: okay thank you

[1:58:41] Trustee Maude: yeah so we went but grab's got a motion yeah the

[1:58:44] Trustee Maude: other was set

[1:58:45] Voice 5: that's the third

[1:58:48] Voice 5: one that's why you do these two and then you read that one all right

[1:58:51] Voice 5: hi

[1:58:51] Voice 16: don't now don't come here we go i have to win him something that's

[1:58:55] Voice 5: why i love that

[1:58:55] Voice 5: okay

[1:58:56] Voice 7: okay wow

[1:59:02] Voice 15: this is super long so the northland local trust committee direct staff to amend draft

[1:59:08] Voice 15: bylaw number 241 north pender island use bylaw number 224 2022 amendment number one 2025 by

[1:59:16] Voice 15: a deleting all references to accessory dwelling units including the alternative

[1:59:20] Voice 15: winning a secondary suite or accessory dwelling unit in the rural residential one's own

[1:59:25] Voice 15: be increasing number of affordable housing units at the anglican church property from 20 to 30

[1:59:31] Voice 15: units and adding the following conditions subject to one um the entering of a housing agreement via

[1:59:37] Voice 15: a section 219 covenant between the non-profit operating the local trust committee to the

[1:59:44] Voice 15: installation of a community water and septic system for to service all units three units

[1:59:48] Voice 15: may be in the forward detached from lots of flex buildings with a maximum of three stories

[1:59:53] Voice 15: and a maximum height of 14 meters for a maximum floor area of 120 meters squared per unit

[2:00:00] Voice 15: and a total maximum floor area of 3 000 meters square for all units i believe we vote on that

[2:00:04] Voice 15: beach right at the time yeah

[2:00:06] Trustee Maude: so seconded for the discussion but the question of the paper carried

[2:00:11] Trustee Maude: okay

[2:00:12] Voice 15: so the north corner island local trust can be a direct staff to initiate bylaw referrals for

[2:00:16] Voice 15: draft bylaws number 240 cited as northland official community plan bylaw number 171 2007

[2:00:22] Voice 15: seven amendment number one twenty twenty five and draft file number two forty one

[2:00:26] Voice 15: said it's not gonna land use file number two twenty four twenty twenty two

[2:00:32] Voice 15: uh these numbers are getting me amendment number one

[2:00:40] Voice 3: that

[2:00:41] Voice 15: the north peter island local trust committee requests the advisory planning committee on housing

[2:00:46] Voice 15: report back on analysis and recommendations for development of the anglican church plans

[2:00:51] Voice 15: said leaving a housing agreement second

[2:00:53] Voice 3: for the discussion question all in favor

[2:00:56] Voice 3: i wanted

[2:00:59] Voice 6: to get the last one yeah okay

[2:01:01] Voice 6: that the north peter allen global trust committee requested the advisor

[2:01:05] Voice 7: no i just did that one oh

[2:01:06] Voice 6: you did that one yeah oh

[2:01:07] Voice 6: so we have

[2:01:08] Trustee Maude: another one no that was

[2:01:10] Trustee Maude: no that was the one i thought i thought

[2:01:12] Trustee Maude: i'd rather suggest there was another one yeah he

[2:01:13] Trustee Maude: sent it in oh okay

[2:01:14] Voice 7: oh

[2:01:15] Trustee Maude: see i

[2:01:16] Voice 6: think this week i

[2:01:18] Voice 6: I assume the same thing she was still busy

[2:01:20] Voice 15: don't

[2:01:23] Voice 6: worry I can't look this way all

[2:01:25] Voice 15: right

[2:01:26] Trustee Maude: so that's

[2:01:27] Trustee Maude: done so we just uh work program report application report I don't think there's anything too serious

[2:01:32] Trustee Maude: there um services reports attached for your interest um so upcoming meeting so I have a

[2:01:43] Voice 16: problem with the 17th okay it's it's kind of a request kind of me i'm an assistant on several

[2:01:49] Voice 16: panels from seattle um is there any chance of doing it the week before i

[2:01:54] Trustee Maude: don't know um

[2:02:01] Trustee Maude: so brad um can we do this the uh july 17th meeting a week earlier so should we do a motion

[2:02:11] Trustee Maude: requesting staff investigated and then we'll do an rwm

[2:02:15] Voice 15: yeah that'd be helpful yeah i'm so sorry

[2:02:17] Voice 15: about that but

[2:02:18] Trustee Maude: that'll give some breathing space so july yeah then

[2:02:24] Voice 2: what else do we have

[2:02:27] Trustee Maude: lisa you're here on us chair

[2:02:31] Voice 2: mod the um friday july 10th is the week before

[2:02:35] Voice 2: and just for your information there are no other

[2:02:40] Voice 2: uh trust um committee meetings that day i

[2:02:46] Voice 7: would work with them as well okay

[2:02:48] Voice 7: okay

[2:02:49] Trustee Maude: thank

[2:02:51] Voice 12: you very much okay i'd

[2:02:53] Trustee Maude: love the efficiency of this organization

[2:03:00] Voice 15: july 17th 2026 meeting to july 10th um 2026

[2:03:05] Voice 15: or the

[2:03:05] Voice 15: North Canada Road Traffic.

[2:03:07] Trustee Maude: Seconded.

[2:03:08] Trustee Maude: Keep to the discussion, call a question.

[2:03:10] Trustee Maude: We are now on the calendar.

[2:03:11] Trustee Maude: Thank you very much, Lisa.

[2:03:12] Trustee Maude: That is peak efficiency.

[2:03:14] Voice 15: Thank you.

[2:03:15] Trustee Maude: All right, so Brad's got 20 minutes to get to a ferry.

[2:03:19] Trustee Maude: So with that, we will call adjournment.

[2:03:24] Voice 7: Thank you

[2:03:25] Trustee Maude: very much, everybody.

[2:03:26] Trustee Maude: Thank you, Lisa, above and beyond, as always.

[2:03:31] Voice 7: Thanks, everyone, have

[2:03:32] Voice 7: a good weekend.

[2:03:36] Trustee Maude: I

[2:03:36] Voice 3: don't think it works.

ADOPTED

North Pender Island Local Trust Committee
Minutes of Regular Meeting

Date:                          May 29, 2026
Location:                    Anglican Parish Hall
                                   4703 Canal Road, RR#1, North Pender Island, BC

Members Present:        David Maude, Chair
                                   Aaron Campbell, Local Trustee
                                   Deb Morrison, Local Trustee

Staff Present:              Mary Storzer, Regional Planning Manager
                                   Brad Smith, Island Planner
                                   Bruce Belcher, Planner 2 (electronic)
                                   Warren Dingman, Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement Manager (electronic)
                                   William Shulba, Senior Freshwater Specialist (electronic)
                                   Lisa Millard, Meeting Administrator/Recorder (electronic)

Others Present:            There were 5 members of the public present.

1.     CALL TO ORDER

Chair Maude called the meeting to order at 10:00 a.m.

2.     TERRITORIAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT

Chair Maude acknowledged that the meeting was being held in territory of the Coast Salish First Nations.

3.     RISE AND REPORT - In-Camera Meeting of April 10, 2026

Chair Maude reported that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee in-camera meeting minutes of January 30, 2026 were adopted.

4.     APPROVAL OF AGENDA

By general consent, the agenda was approved as presented.

5.     TRUSTEE REPORT

Trustee Campbell noted that the May 2, 2026 Community Information Meeting on housing was well attended and spoke to increased conversations with members of the public asking questions about potential applications.

Trustee Morrison stated appreciation to be able to attend today’s meeting in-person and noted she will not be running in the upcoming election.

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6.   CHAIR'S REPORT

Chair Maude reported that the Trust Policy Statement Amendment Project will not complete this term and noted the upcoming June 2026 Trust Council meeting will be held electronically. 

7.   ELECTORAL AREA DIRECTOR'S REPORT - None

8.   PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PERIOD

A member of the public requested the Local Trust Committee look at applications within the lens of climate change. 

A member of the public spoke to the stormwater management plan outlined in the Big Dig’em Contracting application and the following comments were recorded:
- They own a neighbouring property on Port Washington Road
- The applicant proposes construction of a mechanical shop within 100 feet of their well and the proposed underground pipes will discharge stormwater onto their property and beside their domestic well
- The water sample required for application was taken from a new well up the mountain, far away from the industrial site, and not from the well on the site
- The Official Community Plan policy 2.5.1 states industrial development which may have a deleterious impact on adjacent land uses will not be permitted and discharging stormwater from an industrial yard where hazardous waste is stored will have a negative impact on their property and flooding will contaminate their water and land
- They encouraged the Local Trust Committee request a water and soil sample form the well in the industrial yard, not accept the report until it is complete, and proposed that Port Washington Road be downgraded to a heritage status road and that the companies be charged for excessive traffic

A member of the public spoke to lack of public knowledge about the industrial application and subsequent industrialization of Port Washington Road and noted concern about the potential for contamination of water supply. 

9.   COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING - None

10. PUBLIC HEARING - None

11. MINUTES

11.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated April 10, 2026 (for Adoption)

By general consent the North Pender Island Local Trust committee meeting minutes of April 10, 2026 were adopted.

11.2 Local Trust Committee Record of Public Hearing Dated April 10, 2026 (for Receipt)

Received for information.

11.3 Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated May 2, 2026 (for Adoption)

By general consent the North Pender Island Local Trust committee meeting minutes of May 2, 2026 were adopted.

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11.4 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting Report - None

11.5 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes Dated April 23, 2026 (for Receipt)

Received for information.

12. BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES

12.1 Follow-up Action List Dated May 2026

Received for information.

13. DELEGATIONS - None

14. CORRESPONDENCE

Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC webpage

14.1 Marty Proctor re 7943 Plumper Way

Following discussion, the Bylaw Compliance and Enforcement Manager stated he will contact the letter writer and ask if they wish to make a formal complaint and will provide them with information on the complaint process.

15. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS

15.1 Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Referral for Proposed Bylaw No. 551 (for Response)

15.2 Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Referral for Proposed Bylaw No. 552 (for Response)

15.3 Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Referral for Proposed Bylaw No. 553 (for Response)

15.4 Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Referral for Proposed Bylaw No. 554 (for Response)

NP-2026-030
It was MOVED and SECONDED,
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee respond to the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee that interests are unaffected by proposed Bylaw Nos. 551, 552, 553, and 554.

CARRIED

15.5 NP-PL-DVP-2026-0112 (Hall) - Staff Report

Planner Belcher summarized the staff report and highlighted the following:
- The application seeks a Development Variance Permit for an existing accessory building, deck, and pool structure to be sited within 15 metres of the natural boundary of the sea
- The structures have been on the property since the 1970s; however, the pool structure had been out of use and is now being reconstructed in its entirety, necessitating the requirement of a variance application


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- Five letters of support, and no letters of opposition, to the application have been received following the public notification period

Discussion ensued and it was confirmed the structure was not in existence for a number of years and lost its previous non-conforming status.

NP-2026-031  
It was MOVED and SECONDED,  
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Development Variance Permit PL-DVP-2026-0112.  
CARRIED  

15.6 NP-PL-DVP-2026-0126 (Telford) - Staff Report

Planner Belcher summarized the staff report and highlighted the following:  
- The application seeks a Development Variance Permit to relax the interior lot line setback from 3.0 metres to 0.82 metres for the construction of an accessory garage building  
- The applicant planned the structure location based on an inaccurate survey and a subsequent survey showed the location to be within the setback  
- There have been no responses to the public notification regarding the application

The applicant was in attendance and noted their immediate neighbour was in support of the application.

Discussion ensued and a Trustee noted that receipt of a letter of support from the neighbour would be helpful. The discussion was deferred and shortly thereafter Planner Belcher noted receipt of an email from the neighbour stating support of the application.

NP-2026-032  
It was MOVED and SECONDED,  
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Development Variance Permit PL-DVP-2026-0126.  
CARRIED  

15.7 NP-PL-TUP-2026-0167 (Fleming) - Staff Report

Planner Belcher summarized the staff report and highlighted the following:  
- The application seeks a Temporary Use Permit for the annual Mosaic Arts Festival  
- The property is within the Agricultural Land Reserve and the applicant will also be applying for a permit from the Agricultural Land Commission which will not be processed in time for the 2026 festival; however, the Agricultural Land Commission is allowing the festival to go forward this year and the organizer will be working on a ALC permit for the 2027 festival  
- The applicant has addressed attendance and parking requirements  
- There has been one letter of response to public notification regarding the application which stated concern about parking and potential negative impact to wildlife and neighbouring properties  

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• The festival operated at the proposed location for the prior two years without any complaints to bylaw enforcement

The Local Trust Committee had no questions for the Planner, stated support of the application, and indicated mitigation of potential impacts to the community had been addressed.

NP-2026-033
It was MOVED and SECONDED,
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Temporary Use Permit PL-TUP-2026-0167 for a period of three (3) years.
CARRIED

15.8 NP-PL-RZ-2024-0110 (Bigham) – Staff Report

Island Planner Smith stated the staff report provides an update on the rezoning application and the following information was summarized:
• An Industrial Stormwater Management Plan has been received and a qualified professional engineer concluded the proposed plan provides effective management to mitigate stormwater runoff
• There is no production of industrial wastewater on site
• A Section 219 covenant is proposed to ensure that installation of the engineered surface water capture and treatment system will occur prior to further development on the site

The applicant was in attendance and spoke to the application.

Discussion ensued and the following comments were noted:
• Discharge of stormwater from the catchment system would be into the ditch
• The ditch runs out onto a neighbouring property
• The low spot in the area is the works yard across the road
• The existing ditch is minimal and could be improved
• The well in operation at the lumberyard is not used for drinking water
• There is heavy machinery use on the property but there is not production of industrial wastewater and what is being proposed is for the management of stormwater runoff
• The three wells in the bottom of the valley were known to not be producing and the hardware store had to drill a secondary well up the hill
• The report does not speak to the neighbour’s well that is within vicinity to proposed discharge

NP-2026-034
It was MOVED and SECONDED,
that North Pender Local Trust Committee direct the applicant to provide more information on the engineered surface water capture and treatment system plan design with respect to existing neighbouring wells and underlying soils, slope and regional drainage.
CARRIED

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15.9 NP-PL-RZ-2026-0178 (Litke) – Staff Report

Island Planner Smith summarized the staff report and highlighted the following:
• The application seeks rezoning of the subject lot to permit subdivision for the purpose of creating a separate title that can be transferred to a family member
• The Official Community Plan permits specific zoning regulations to be considered for lots with pre-existing dwellings or cottages
• Subdivision would be contingent on proof of water and septic as both dwellings
• Staff recommend consideration of a site-specific Rural zone that permits subdivision with a minimum average lot size of 2.0 hectares with a maximum of two dwellings with no accessory cottages and a maxim floor area of 205 m per dwelling.

The Local Trust Committee had no questions or comments.

NP-2026-035  
It was MOVED and SECONDED,  
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee directs staff to proceed with application PL-RZ-2026-0178 (Litke), and to prepare a draft bylaw for a site-specific Rural zone for 4609 Bedwell harbour Road that:  
a. Reduces the minimum average lot size to 2.0 hectares  
b. Limits the number of dwellings to one dwelling per lot with no accessory cottages  
c. Limits the floor area of each dwelling to 205 m2.  
                                                                                               CARRIED  

15.10 Delegation of Development Permits - Staff Report

Island Planner Smith summarized the staff report and highlighted the following:  
• In June, 2022 Trust Council adopted a policy related to the delegation of the issuance of development permits to staff and requested that Local Trust Committees consider adoption of the delegation bylaw  
• The North Pender Island Local Trust Committee deferred consideration of the matter and subsequently requested staff report back on the matter  

Discussion ensued and the following comments were recorded:  
• Delegating authority could streamline the process as a meeting would not be required to approve a permit; however, this would reduce the ability to receive input from the elected officials  
• The opportunity for Trustees to consider applications can facilitate a more ecological perspective and Trustees have enhanced knowledge related to specific applications  
• It is late in the term to be considering a change in process  

NP-2026-036  
It was MOVED and SECONDED,  
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee proceed no further with consideration of the delegation of the issuance of development permits to staff.  
                                                                                               CARRIED  


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16. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS

16.1 Housing Access and Affordability Project – Staff Report

Island Planner Smith stated the report provides an update on the Housing Access and Affordability Project and seeks further amendments to the proposed bylaw following input received from the public and the Advisory Planning Commission.

Discussion ensued regarding the proposed increase in number of housing units at the Anglican Church property and it was noted that 30 units was consistent with other gulf island projects, allows rezoning to move forward, and there could be opportunity to consider increasing the number of units in the future if needed.

A Trustee stated they understood that the Galiano Island Local Trust Committee accessed the Municipal and Regional District Tax on accommodations for affordable housing purposes and Island Planner Smith indicated he will look into this and provide further details to the Local Trust Committee.

NP-2026-037  
It was MOVED and SECONDED,  
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee directs staff to amend draft Bylaw No. 241, “North Pender Island Land Use Bylaw No. 224, 2022, Amendment No. 1, 2025” by:  
 a. Deleting all references to accessory dwelling units including the alternative of permitting a secondary suite or accessory dwelling unit in the Rural Residential 1 zone  
 b. Increasing the number of affordable housing units at the Anglican Church property from 20 to 30 units and adding the following conditions subject to:  
  i. The entering of a housing agreement via s. 219 covenant between the non-profit operator and the Local Trust Committee  
  ii. The installation of a community water and septic system to service all units  
  iii. Units may be in the form of detached or multiplex buildings with a maximum of three storeys and a maximum height of 14 metres  
  iv. A maximum floor area of 120 m2 per unit, and a total maximum floor area of 3000 m2 for all units.  
                                         CARRIED

NP-2026-038  
It was MOVED and SECONDED,  
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee directs staff to initiate bylaw referrals for draft Bylaw No. 240, cited as ”North Pender Island Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 171, 2007, Amendment No. 1, 2025”, and draft Bylaw No. 241, cited as “North Pender Island Land Use Bylaw No. 224, 2022, Amendment No. 1, 2025”.  
                                                 CARRIED


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NP-2026-039  
It was MOVED and SECONDED,  
that North Pender Island local trust committee request that the Advisory Planning Commission on Housing report back on analysis and recommendations for development of the Anglican church lands, including a housing agreement.  
CARRIED  

17. REPORTS  

17.1 Work Program Report  

17.1.1 Active Projects Report Dated May 2026  
Received for information.  

17.1.2 Future Projects Report Dated May 2026  
Received for information.  

17.2 Applications Report Dated May 2026  
Received for information.  

17.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report Dated March 2026  
Received for information.  

17.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions  
Received for information.  

17.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage - None  

17.6 Islands Trust Conservancy Report Dated March 2026  
Received for information.  

18. NEW BUSINESS - None  

19. UPCOMING MEETINGS  

19.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for July 17, 2026 at the St. Peter's Anglican Church Hall, Pender Island  
NP-2026-040  
It was MOVED and SECONDED,  
that North Pender Island Local Trust Committee request staff move the July 17, 2027 Local Trust Committee meeting to July 10, 2026.  
CARRIED  

20. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PERIOD - None  

21. CLOSED MEETING – None  

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22.      ADJOURNMENT

          By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 12:05 p.m.


___________________________

David Maude, Chair

Certified Correct:

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Lisa Millard, Meeting Administrator/Recorder




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