Islands Trust Council regular meeting, June 9, 2026

[0:00:02] Voice 4: okay everyone well good afternoon welcome to this regular meeting of the galliano island

[0:00:08] Voice 4: local trust committee uh my name is jim peterson i am the chair of the galliano island local trust

[0:00:15] Voice 4: committee and uh with us today are local trustees ben maverly lisa bilbrow and our new regional

[0:00:21] Voice 4: planning manager mary storzer is uh sitting in for a planner stock deal today online is our meeting

[0:00:29] Voice 4: meeting admin Lisa Millard and all the tech work in the back supporting us here uh please be advised

[0:00:36] Voice 4: we're recording this meeting it'll be posted on the honours trust website uh about a week or so

[0:00:42] Voice 4: I want to begin the meeting today by acknowledging that we are fortunate to be able to gather here in

[0:00:47] Voice 4: the territory of Coast Salish peoples and in particular the Penelakut tribe the stewards of

[0:00:53] Voice 4: of these lands and waters since time immemorial.

[0:00:57] Voice 4: June is National Indigenous History Month in Canada,

[0:01:00] Voice 4: and it's an opportunity to deepen our understanding

[0:01:03] Voice 4: of Indigenous history and to honor the voices,

[0:01:06] Voice 4: knowledge, stories, and traditions

[0:01:08] Voice 4: that have been carried forward through generations

[0:01:11] Voice 4: and continue to shape identities today.

[0:01:14] Voice 4: I also want to acknowledge that the Galliano LTC

[0:01:17] Voice 4: and the Penelope tribe have embarked on an important journey

[0:01:20] Voice 4: of relationship building together and chief and council and trustees have all been part of

[0:01:26] Voice 4: coming together for this important work and uh with that i

[0:01:33] Voice 3: believe we can get started on our

[0:01:36] Voice 3: agenda um so we have an agenda of course any uh amendments to the agenda requested or no

[0:01:44] Voice 3: i'll take it by general consent we'll adopt

[0:01:46] Voice 4: the uh agenda as presented then and for the trustee

[0:01:52] Voice 4: report section who would like to go first today thank you

[0:01:56] Voice 6: uh all right uh since my last i've

[0:02:01] Voice 6: participated in quite a number of final trust meetings and uh community meetings so it's kind

[0:02:07] Voice 6: of great um the trust programs committee uh one of the main topics um that we were discussing

[0:02:15] Voice 6: was the process of future amendments and trust policy statement uh our committee will make

[0:02:21] Voice 6: recommendations to trust council that ensure that trust council at the earliest term engages with

[0:02:29] Voice 6: indigenous government bodies about trust conservancy with

[0:02:33] Voice 9: considering to the policy

[0:02:38] Voice 9: statement we

[0:02:39] Voice 6: also discuss how and when public engagement should occur as part of a future

[0:02:44] Voice 6: review process committee also reviewed plans for a new educational webinar in that real

[0:02:51] Voice 6: third working and trust area goals provide information on topics like land use regulations

[0:02:57] Voice 6: groundwork

[0:02:58] Voice 9: sensitivity stewardship responsibilities and archaeological and cultural heritage

[0:03:04] Voice 9: simple

[0:03:06] Voice 6: discussion about how they respect the property owners better understand their realities

[0:03:12] Voice 9: and responsible for being a

[0:03:13] Voice 6: trust area at my at the government's committee we receive

[0:03:18] Voice 6: see recommendations from the independent trustee

[0:03:22] Voice 6: remuneration review. Consultants concluded that the current

[0:03:26] Voice 6: compensation framework

[0:03:27] Voice 9: that we're under generally is down,

[0:03:31] Voice 9: but doesn't adequately reflect the trustee role. We discussed

[0:03:36] Voice 9: terms

[0:03:38] Voice 6: of changes to committee structures following the next

[0:03:41] Voice 6: election, and we also reviewed the executive committee's

[0:03:45] Voice 6: delegated authorities and we also recommended recommended updates uh to bylaws related to

[0:03:52] Voice 6: resolutions of our meetings and our annual reporting at the community committee of the

[0:03:58] Voice 6: whole we spent a considerable amount of time on the proposed 2026-27 budget which is now passed

[0:04:05] Voice 6: and also i discussed five-year financial planning uh following this extensive discussion that we

[0:04:15] Voice 6: Approximately a $139,000 cut from the reduction in the overall budget.

[0:04:25] Voice 9: The committee also reviewed the public engagement results from the trust policy statement.

[0:04:31] Voice 9: Nearly 2,000 survey responses and

[0:04:33] Voice 6: 186 pieces of correspondence were received.

[0:04:37] Voice 6: Discussions focused on legislation, environmental protection,

[0:04:42] Voice 6: comments around housing, and comments on overall implementation of the policy statement.

[0:04:49] Voice 6: There are public concerns regarding the clarity and the accountability aspects of the policy statement,

[0:04:55] Voice 6: and the role of the

[0:04:56] Voice 9: policy statement and how it was served moving forward.

[0:05:02] Voice 9: I

[0:05:03] Voice 6: also watched a regional webinar and a working session that was focused on invasive ballardier in the Southern Gulf Islands.

[0:05:09] Voice 9: Presenters highlighted significant ecological and agricultural impacts deer are having across the islands,

[0:05:17] Voice 6: including damage to organic ecosystems, wildlife habitat, and farmland.

[0:05:23] Voice 6: Key takeaways was that long-term

[0:05:26] Voice 6: management will require indigenous leadership, community support, ecosystem restoration, responsible hunting programs, and sustained provincial involvement.

[0:05:37] Voice 6: rather than leaving the words solely to the other communities.

[0:05:42] Voice 6: I also chaired the Accessibility Committee meeting.

[0:05:46] Voice 6: We discussed the results of the website audit

[0:05:50] Voice 6: and made plans to further work on the Accessibility Action Plan

[0:05:53] Voice 6: for the Arms Trust via the procurement of qualified consulting.

[0:05:58] Voice 6: I have some more comments to make when we get to 18.5,

[0:06:03] Voice 6: on what the actual audit did reveal, and lastly, we finished the last segment of our responding

[0:06:15] Voice 6: to the specific racism workshop, which was offered by the Atlas Trust, and I'll leave

[0:06:21] Voice 6: it there for now.

[0:06:21] Voice 6: As always, please feel free to reach out to me and we'll decide the chat.

[0:06:25] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:06:26] Voice 3: Great.

[0:06:26] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:06:27] Voice 7: Ben?

[0:06:28] Voice 7: Yeah, thanks.

[0:06:29] Voice 7: Thanks Lisa.

[0:06:30] Voice 7: So I attended a couple of meetings on the, since the last trust meeting we had, one of

[0:06:37] Voice 7: them was with the Conservancy, and the Conservancy invited not only myself, but a good number

[0:06:44] Voice 7: of the Manila Nation and whatever public wanted to come up to Rotten Gun to talk about land

[0:06:49] Voice 7: stewardship in regards to going back to working with the Manila on hunting programs on the

[0:06:57] Voice 7: island it's it's fairly well known that we're getting our dirt population is getting a little

[0:07:02] Voice 7: bit over growing and you know the sort of effects that we're seeing from main island with the

[0:07:09] Voice 7: release of the fallow deer over there and the effects that they're having on on the um the

[0:07:14] Voice 7: natural environment um this is certainly an important issue moving forward so um i thought

[0:07:21] Voice 7: was great meeting um lots of good input from the from the nation and uh i look forward to

[0:07:27] Voice 7: to seeing how that progresses um you know it's always a delicate balance when you start to try

[0:07:34] Voice 7: and get the conservancy and the um horse lot owners working in the same direction on something

[0:07:40] Voice 7: so that's going to be a bit of an interesting exercise um the second was attending the

[0:07:46] Voice 7: uh read the whole meeting um sort of one of the big takeaways for me on that on that meeting

[0:07:53] Voice 7: and apart from you know the discussion around the budget um i'll let everybody know here i

[0:07:58] Voice 7: thought against the budget i think um you know the way i look at it um we have a budget of

[0:08:06] Voice 7: approximately 11 point something million dollars of which eight of that is staff wages so we

[0:08:15] Voice 7: technically have a working budget of three million dollars and yet we have 72 staff to implement

[0:08:23] Voice 7: a budget of three million dollars that seems crazy and um i think there's a good discussion

[0:08:32] Voice 7: that has to be had within trust council the next council about how we can justify that to the public

[0:08:41] Voice 7: and so

[0:08:43] Voice 7: I'll have to admit I've had some great

[0:08:45] Voice 7: discussions with Lisa

[0:08:47] Voice 7: about what we do

[0:08:49] Voice 7: at Trust Council and with other

[0:08:51] Voice 7: trustees and so

[0:08:53] Voice 7: it'll be really interesting

[0:08:55] Voice 7: going into the next budget cycle

[0:08:57] Voice 7: to see whether there's

[0:08:59] Voice 7: any movement within Trust

[0:09:01] Voice 7: Council to

[0:09:04] Voice 7: discuss the outcome.

[0:09:06] Voice 7: The second part of that meeting was

[0:09:08] Voice 7: the trust policy statement

[0:09:09] Voice 7: and quite frankly

[0:09:11] Voice 7: Secondly, Claire Prater summed up the issue of the trust policy statement, and she said quite bluntly that it will not be completed in this term.

[0:09:22] Voice 7: Only half of the nations that we need to refer with have not responded back yet, and we have to have that back before we can even move ahead with it.

[0:09:32] Voice 7: So it's clear that the trust policy statement is going to be moved into the next term.

[0:09:41] Voice 7: I'm not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing although I am I'm pretty clear that I thought this

[0:09:47] Voice 7: was moving a bit too quickly and that I thought the trust policy statement was

[0:09:54] Voice 7: sort of off track and I've said it many many times at this table and I repeated it because

[0:10:00] Voice 7: I repeated anybody will listen good governance always comes from the bottom up not from the top

[0:10:08] Voice 7: town and i see the latest version of this trust policy statement to be government from the top

[0:10:13] Voice 7: down so um that's that's where my discussion points go when we're in the company yeah so

[0:10:21] Voice 7: that's that's pretty much it for me on uh trustee reports thank you okay thank you and

[0:10:27] Voice 4: uh so for my

[0:10:30] Voice 4: chair's report yeah we haven't had a local trust committee meeting um since trust council so i'll

[0:10:36] Voice 4: I'll just touch on a couple of things.

[0:10:38] Voice 4: Trust Council did approve the revised

[0:10:41] Voice 4: bylaw of compliance and enforcement policy,

[0:10:46] Voice 4: the new best practices manual and the policy review.

[0:10:53] Voice 4: Trustee Mayberry mentioned the staff advised

[0:10:56] Voice 4: that policy statement project is not gonna finish this term.

[0:11:00] Voice 4: Trust Council did endorse

[0:11:02] Voice 4: the Indigenous Relations Action Plan for 2026-2028.

[0:11:09] Voice 4: And it was my honor to introduce a motion

[0:11:13] Voice 4: for the chair to sign on to the joint call

[0:11:15] Voice 4: for the province of BC to recommit to meaningful

[0:11:18] Voice 4: implementation of the UN Declaration of Rights

[0:11:21] Voice 4: of Indigenous People and the Declaration

[0:11:25] Voice 4: on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act,

[0:11:27] Voice 4: which is an action led by West Coast Environmental Law.

[0:11:31] Voice 4: and so the chair did sign on to that on behalf of trust council i extended attended several sessions

[0:11:39] Voice 4: this spring of the bc municipal climate leaders caucus always really interesting conversations

[0:11:45] Voice 4: there last week i attended the mount aerosmith biosphere region round table on behalf of chair

[0:11:51] Voice 4: patrick along with uh the al i'll cut some house down biosphere region and stress actually has two

[0:11:59] Voice 4: two UN biospheres that overlap with our jurisdictional area.

[0:12:03] Voice 4: And while I was in Kuala Lumpur,

[0:12:05] Voice 4: the Afwe Ate Luski Archaeology Project's exhibition,

[0:12:10] Voice 4: The Island in the Middle of Everywhere, opened.

[0:12:13] Voice 4: It's being hosted at the Kuala Lumpur Beach Museum until October 8th.

[0:12:17] Voice 4: If anyone's up that way, it's a really cool exhibition to go check out.

[0:12:23] Voice 4: And attended the trustee onboarding working group

[0:12:26] Voice 4: and the CAO performance evaluation meetings in May.

[0:12:31] Voice 4: And I think everything else,

[0:12:33] Voice 4: all the main important things were touched on

[0:12:35] Voice 4: by their trustees.

[0:12:38] Voice 4: So moving on, no electoral area director here today.

[0:12:44] Voice 4: We have space for First Nations report.

[0:12:47] Voice 4: I know that staff have been in some conversations

[0:12:51] Voice 4: with Malacca

[0:12:53] Voice 3: tribes specifically around the,

[0:12:56] Voice 3: looking at sitting down around policy statement review um so that's really positive

[0:13:02] Voice 7: i've talked

[0:13:03] Voice 7: with kent thomas and uh he was going to try to be here at the meeting but it's not going to be

[0:13:07] Voice 7: well as it is this week so yeah i'm not surprised that he didn't yeah

[0:13:12] Voice 4: i'm actually going to be

[0:13:13] Voice 4: sitting down with uh everyone tomorrow for

[0:13:16] Voice 3: lunch over on

[0:13:17] Voice 4: salt spring uh for some other

[0:13:19] Voice 4: other chats about other interests in the trust area.

[0:13:26] Voice 4: And so that brings us up to the public participation period

[0:13:31] Voice 4: as we're now calling it.

[0:13:33] Voice 4: Remind everyone to speak to the issues,

[0:13:36] Voice 4: not to other persons

[0:13:40] Voice 4: and address your questions or comments

[0:13:43] Voice 4: to the local trust committee members,

[0:13:46] Voice 4: not to staff or other members of the public,

[0:13:48] Voice 4: please use respectful language uh be clear and concise and just a reminder that the uh proposed

[0:13:57] Voice 4: bylaw 297 uh which is up for a public hearing later today we're going to go actually right

[0:14:04] Voice 4: after this into the community information meeting so if you have questions on that

[0:14:07] Voice 4: just ask you to hold those until we get into the community information meeting

[0:14:11] Voice 4: so um ideally we can use this section for other topics outside of what else is on the agenda

[0:14:20] Voice 4: today so i'll look for show hands in the back there please

[0:14:33] Voice 9: that's

[0:14:33] Voice 4: that's coming up right after this session

[0:14:35] Voice 9: should be

[0:14:36] Voice 9: in that section rather than now uh

[0:14:38] Voice 4: if it's if it's on the proposed bylaw 297 yes

[0:14:42] Voice 9: it's on number 35 300 the associated items okay that's

[0:14:49] Voice 4: also coming up with that community

[0:14:50] Voice 9: great no

[0:14:54] Voice 4: problem uh anyone else not on those two items uh

[0:14:59] Voice 12: sorry i came in late uh

[0:15:03] Voice 12: I'm sorry, I missed previous trustees, I came in and looked at the trustee's report and

[0:15:11] Voice 12: what he said about the trust policy statement. It's very interesting because actually I read

[0:15:19] Voice 12: the active page report, the trustees report, and really it's the polar opposite of what

[0:15:27] Voice 12: around the trustee's page it seemed like trust policy statement all good people are supporting

[0:15:37] Voice 12: that for some leadership council said yes uh whereas trustee neighborly pointed out that uh

[0:15:46] Voice 12: what we know had been reported in the group was that uh

[0:15:54] Voice 12: but she had said categorically that there's no way that this trust policy statement is going to

[0:16:02] Voice 12: make it to before the election and you wouldn't get that from reading the active page pretty

[0:16:09] Voice 12: clear communication from trustee maverly i'm just wondering why is it that trustee maverly does not

[0:16:17] Voice 12: right into into the active page and provide its uh point of view so i'm always curious about that

[0:16:25] Voice 12: since the beginning of the term um

[0:16:32] Voice 7: at least that's our update in there um i i have a lot

[0:16:39] Voice 7: of discussions with the public in regards to trust policy statement that i i don't know that it's

[0:16:45] Voice 7: helpful to the exercise to get into a political discussion in the active page. Everybody who

[0:16:54] Voice 7: wants to come to these meetings and attends these meetings, I think we give a, you know,

[0:17:00] Voice 7: Lisa does, gives a very factual accounting of as things are progressing. The fact that

[0:17:06] Voice 7: that announcement was made after the active page had been released, so it was a ways after.

[0:17:12] Voice 7: um if you no that wasn't excuse me the action page was up before the committee

[0:17:21] Voice 9: committee

[0:17:22] Voice 7: the whole meeting was first yeah

[0:17:25] Voice 9: well

[0:17:26] Voice 4: and i'll just i'll just take a moment and clarify

[0:17:30] Voice 4: so that at the committee the whole um what what staff were looking for from trust council

[0:17:37] Voice 4: was acknowledging that the project will not be complete before the end of the term

[0:17:41] Voice 4: what is the interest of trust council to look at further amendments or other processes that

[0:17:49] Voice 4: that can be um worked on before the elections essentially and so uh actually i think i glossed

[0:17:57] Voice 4: over that in my trust my chair report uh so i don't want to get too repetitive but um at

[0:18:03] Voice 4: committee the whole did make some recommendations that are going to be coming to trust council next

[0:18:08] Voice 4: next week for a decision because Committee of the Whole

[0:18:10] Voice 4: is not a decision-making body.

[0:18:15] Voice 4: So there will be discussion at Trust Council next week

[0:18:18] Voice 4: based on the deliberations of Committee of the Whole

[0:18:21] Voice 4: around what sort of work Trust Council wants staff

[0:18:27] Voice 4: to undertake prior to the elections.

[0:18:31] Voice 4: So it's not that we're at full stop.

[0:18:35] Voice 4: It's just, it's completely acknowledged

[0:18:37] Voice 4: knowledge, however, there's no way we're getting over the finish line prior to the election.

[0:18:42] Voice 4: So Trust Council, as I say, will be deliberating on, you know, what is the appropriate sort

[0:18:48] Voice 4: of amount, areas of work to pursue up until the new term.

[0:18:57] Voice 11: So, Derek, I'm kind of new to the policy here, and so I wonder, one, where can I get a copy

[0:19:04] Voice 11: of the trust policy statement and two is there any place for input like is there a point in the

[0:19:10] Voice 11: beginning so i can have input into what i think about it

[0:19:14] Voice 7: wait on the trust trust website

[0:19:17] Voice 7: to both

[0:19:19] Voice 7: things the

[0:19:20] Voice 6: 2050 people get that website and

[0:19:22] Voice 10: then there is a way to give your book absolutely yeah

[0:19:25] Voice 10: you

[0:19:25] Voice 6: can always reach out to fanner or irish one more

[0:19:30] Voice 7: comment i'll admit i'll be the first to

[0:19:33] Voice 7: admit are that that the active page is not one of my strong points i i i don't read newspapers

[0:19:40] Voice 7: i don't believe um i think most newspapers are much like um um i listen to music i don't listen

[0:19:50] Voice 7: to i don't listen to everything else that's on what do you call those podcasts and stuff like

[0:19:55] Voice 7: that i find um that yeah it's just not it's just not one of my strong points so i you know people

[0:20:02] Voice 7: come to the meetings they hear what i have to say and um you know it's just who i am hey jennifer

[0:20:14] Voice 7: yeah

[0:20:14] Voice 9: i i guess just further to um what part said um i also felt that the representation of the

[0:20:26] Voice 9: amendment to the trust policy statement was not um wholesomely presented in the trustee report

[0:20:33] Voice 9: because there was just sort of a congratulations to the Galliano community for responding

[0:20:39] Voice 13: so many times, which is good.

[0:20:42] Voice 9: But there was no indication that in fact...

[0:20:44] Voice 9: I only have 600 words.

[0:20:46] Voice 9: I know, I know.

[0:20:47] Voice 6: You can't

[0:20:47] Voice 6: put it all in there.

[0:20:48] Voice 9: I know. I know it's short.

[0:20:50] Voice 9: But there was no indication in the report that the majority of the responses, not only from Galliano,

[0:20:56] Voice 9: but from all the trust area, really emphasized the importance of environmental protection.

[0:21:02] Voice 9: action and that came through loud and clear in the public engagement process of the draft trust

[0:21:10] Voice 9: policy statement so it would have been nice to kind of see that in the report and that would

[0:21:15] Voice 9: have just been a few words to

[0:21:17] Voice 6: be able to tailor it to everyone's wishes but basically realistically

[0:21:21] Voice 6: there's only so many facts you can fit on that small page i understand and i could have more

[0:21:29] Voice 6: more, maybe a second page, then I could put more information in. But I tried to update

[0:21:35] Voice 9: the

[0:21:36] Voice 6: traffic controller. This is what we did. This is where you find more information. There's

[0:21:41] Voice 6: usually a little QR

[0:21:43] Voice 9: code or something up in the corner to point you into the right direction.

[0:21:48] Voice 9: And on the bottom banner, it says exactly where you can find all the information that's

[0:21:52] Voice 9: contained in that document.

[0:21:53] Voice 9: So I'll just mention that there is a public engagement report that people can read that does actually provide a lot of information and detail about the public engagement process.

[0:22:06] Voice 9: But anyway, I did also just want to say that I actually agreed with Dan on something that he said in his report.

[0:22:21] Voice 9: And I think that many people are having some difficulty with the island's trust budget

[0:22:30] Voice 9: and the sort of scope creep that seems to have happened away from the essential mandate

[0:22:37] Voice 9: and the increase in staff positions that really don't essentially carry out that mandate.

[0:22:44] Voice 9: And one of the things I was really disappointed in was the elimination of the one-year contracted position for a biologist.

[0:22:55] Voice 9: And there was a biologist, I believe, maybe seconded from the provincial government, Lisa, was she?

[0:23:03] Voice 9: Patricia Woodruff?

[0:23:04] Voice 9: Patricia Woodruff, yes, who had been in place for a year up until the end of March.

[0:23:09] Voice 9: And that had been initially included in the budget, and it was eliminated.

[0:23:14] Voice 9: And I think in comparison with other things in the budget, that's an unfortunate kind of deficiency that exists within the trust, because for an organization with an ecological mandate, not to have a professional biologist on staff to help inform various applications and decisions for me, I think is really unfortunate.

[0:23:41] Voice 9: so that's a priority i would like to see included in the budget and some other things

[0:23:48] Voice 9: thank you yeah

[0:23:51] Voice 4: yes for for anyone who has uh uh subjected themselves to trust council budget

[0:23:58] Voice 4: debates um there's there's always uh there's always uh i'd say pretty robust discussion

[0:24:07] Voice 4: and um you know what's nice to have what's neat to have and and there's frankly there's differences

[0:24:14] Voice 4: of opinion and and uh what ends up um sort of on the cutting room floor isn't isn't always what

[0:24:22] Voice 4: any individual trustee necessarily would like to see but that's kind of how the sausage is

[0:24:28] Voice 4: is made um for better or for worse 26 people is not the most nimble uh decision-making body

[0:24:36] Voice 4: any one could envision um but i take your point yeah um so anything else before we get into the

[0:24:45] Voice 4: community information meeting section all right then um i'm going to pass it over to

[0:24:53] Voice 4: uh planning manager storcer and we're going to start with the 9.1 which is the uh

[0:25:01] Voice 4: the proposed bylaw 297 for the Palmberg rezone.

[0:25:07] Voice 4: Over to you.

[0:25:08] Voice 4: Just give a little bit of a review.

[0:25:11] Voice 13: So the proposed bylaw 297 is to amend the Gallagher

[0:25:16] Voice 13: and Northland use bylaw number 127

[0:25:19] Voice 13: to rezone the subject property from a rural two zone

[0:25:22] Voice 13: to a site-specific rural zone, rural 2A,

[0:25:25] Voice 13: in order to prevent the following additional uses,

[0:25:29] Voice 9: which is a contractor workshop, a contractor yard, storage and sale of gravel, swivels, and aquabits,

[0:25:36] Voice 9: doming, cleaning, and manufacturing of the product, and siding route and lawn route, including production, storage, and sales.

[0:25:44] Voice 9: The proposed by-law also includes the following regulations for the proposed uses.

[0:25:49] Voice 9: Building structure

[0:25:50] Voice 13: height restrictions, landscape screening, parking, and sun requirements.

[0:25:54] Voice 13: requirements. As a condition of this for them for the local

[0:26:00] Voice 13: trust committee here to consider adoption of this bylaw, the

[0:26:03] Voice 13: applicant must register on the table and comment under section

[0:26:07] Voice 13: 219 of the land title act that includes conditions and

[0:26:10] Voice 13: restrictions for the proposed uses and recommendations from a

[0:26:15] Voice 13: water management fund. This bylaw was gone through first

[0:26:19] Voice 13: first reading. And today, for discussion at community

[0:26:24] Voice 13: information, we didn't also follow recommendations.

[0:26:30] Voice 9: So

[0:26:34] Voice 9: they're saying

[0:26:35] Voice 9: and

[0:26:45] right. Thank you. So

[0:26:47] Voice 4: So a question, community information meeting.

[0:26:53] Voice 4: So let's focus on questions.

[0:26:55] Voice 4: When we get into public hearing,

[0:26:58] Voice 4: that's more on opinions about if that makes sense.

[0:27:03] Voice 4: So this is really, if there's questions,

[0:27:05] Voice 4: if there's something in the application

[0:27:08] Voice 4: or the proposed covenant

[0:27:11] Voice 4: that you wanna ask a question about.

[0:27:15] Voice 4: Art, go ahead.

[0:27:16] Voice 12: I'm wondering, looking through the referral response,

[0:27:21] Voice 12: the one from the Ministry of Housing and Municipal Affairs

[0:27:25] Voice 12: had an interesting paragraph.

[0:27:31] Voice 12: It's the third last paragraph of the letter signed by Caitlin Moran,

[0:27:38] Voice 12: senior planner, where they say,

[0:27:44] Voice 12: say or the ministry does not provide formal comment on zoning by law amendments. I know

[0:27:49] Voice 12: for consideration of land use changes at this time may have the potential to indirectly

[0:27:54] Voice 12: limit long-term housing availability. Expanding non-residential uses of rural decimated lands

[0:28:04] Voice 12: may reduce the future potential for residential development, particularly in island communities

[0:28:10] Voice 12: communities with limited land supply.

[0:28:12] Voice 12: As such, I would encourage the local trust committee

[0:28:14] Voice 12: to consider how this policy change hits

[0:28:17] Voice 12: within Galliano Island's broader housing needs

[0:28:20] Voice 12: and land use strategy.

[0:28:23] Voice 12: I'd like to know whether the trustees

[0:28:24] Voice 12: have considered that question.

[0:28:32] Voice 7: Oh, sure, yeah, I didn't consider that question,

[0:28:36] Voice 7: but in this rezoning residential,

[0:28:38] Voice 7: so this law would not be eligible to be subdivided?

[0:28:43] Voice 7: So the residential capability on this lot does not change under this rezoning, right?

[0:28:50] Voice 7: So she's talking about whether there's more, whether it affects housing, right?

[0:28:56] Voice 7: It's not, that's the way I look at her comment.

[0:29:02] Voice 7: You know, the lot is allowed to house.

[0:29:05] Voice 7: It's still allowed to house after the rezoning.

[0:29:07] Voice 7: It doesn't increase the density on it.

[0:29:10] Voice 7: It doesn't decrease the density on it.

[0:29:11] Voice 7: I think maybe what I read in what you're saying, and I don't know

[0:29:15] Voice 12: whether this might be really correct, but what this bylaw does is enable non-residential uses that normally would be considered accessory to residents, to a residence, could be considered, you know, a home-based business or accessory to residents.

[0:29:38] Voice 12: on a residentially zoned lot that doesn't have a residence.

[0:29:43] Voice 12: And I think possibly what she's wondering

[0:29:48] Voice 12: is whether this doesn't set a precedent for allowing

[0:29:52] Voice 12: non-residential uses on residential zoned land

[0:29:56] Voice 12: without a residence.

[0:29:58] Voice 7: Yeah, that's not.

[0:30:00] Voice 7: i read into it from my perspective when i read the comment i think she was more referring to um

[0:30:09] Voice 7: the affecting the housing envelope on the island right so are we taking away a residence from this

[0:30:16] Voice 7: property to allow it to be commercial which is what not everybody right so um that that's the

[0:30:22] Voice 7: way i read i read the comments so maybe we're just reading it slightly differently well

[0:30:27] Voice 4: i just want

[0:30:28] Voice 4: to speak to the the notion of precedent setting um in local government um we don't have precedent

[0:30:37] Voice 4: in the way that um legal precedent is set so um local trust committee in this case

[0:30:46] Voice 4: is supposed to view every application on its own merits and while there may be a public perception

[0:30:55] Voice 4: in the community around what might be a precedent that actually isn't um that's not how things work

[0:31:04] Voice 4: legally for for local governments and local trust committee in particular we're actually not

[0:31:10] Voice 4: supposed to go well we did this one so we can or can't do this one we should be looking at the

[0:31:17] Voice 4: individual applications i

[0:31:19] Voice 11: don't know if that's helpful yes sir yeah so just process one um

[0:31:27] Voice 11: is there is it was there a business plan approach submitted to you did you look at a business plan

[0:31:33] Voice 11: because i look

[0:31:34] Voice 10: at what's there and i it could be huge we could have like a big song

[0:31:42] Voice 11: i'm building okay i won't let you know again i'm

[0:31:44] Voice 11: not a businessman did

[0:31:46] Voice 6: you read the application

[0:31:52] Voice 6: yeah there

[0:31:53] Voice 6: are

[0:31:58] Voice 4: a number of different limitations on like the size of

[0:32:02] Voice 4: of the potential operations as well as things and there's also more things in the covenant around

[0:32:07] Voice 4: hours of operation how did

[0:32:09] Voice 11: you get how did you come to the limitations you put on it i guess

[0:32:13] Voice 11: that's the question i'm not asking i'm not arguing about the thing i'm just saying the process you

[0:32:19] Voice 11: came to to get to

[0:32:20] Voice 10: limitations you put on

[0:32:21] Voice 11: it how did you come to that with limitations

[0:32:25] Voice 9: through discussions with planning staff ourselves at these meetings

[0:32:30] Voice 9: you know

[0:32:30] Voice 9: i was going to say it's been a fair

[0:32:31] Voice 4: it's been a fairly iterative process

[0:32:34] Voice 4: process over a number of meetings over the last three years um the the local trust committee has

[0:32:44] Voice 4: you know requested the applicant bring back you know information on a b and c and then the

[0:32:52] Voice 4: applicant has done so we've had to sort of back and forth uh that's been going on for a couple

[0:32:56] Voice 4: year or so okay so yeah okay okay

[0:33:00] Voice 11: the other one is just that's a long time since i looked at this

[0:33:04] Voice 11: but there is a development document for that yeah because they're not a community plan community

[0:33:11] Voice 11: plan that was set up some years ago that's the lcp it's been

[0:33:17] Voice 13: a

[0:33:18] Voice 11: long time since i've seen it

[0:33:27] Voice 9: correct on that

[0:33:28] Voice 6: that's considered relevant to the main thing do

[0:33:32] Voice 11: you have you taken that into

[0:33:34] Voice 11: consideration in your process do you look at that and go well gee we're gonna have to

[0:33:40] Voice 11: i

[0:33:41] Voice 9: guess the other

[0:33:46] Voice 11: thing i'm wondering is

[0:33:50] Voice 10: how how seriously do you take it because if you're not taking this is just if you're not

[0:33:55] Voice 10: taking it seriously do we need to have a community thing to develop a new program

[0:34:01] Voice 11: a new a new plan

[0:34:02] Voice 11: this is separate from that i mean that was developed 15 or 20 years ago

[0:34:08] Voice 6: my

[0:34:09] Voice 10: recollection is that you

[0:34:11] Voice 4: can't do much you

[0:34:12] Voice 6: need to fraction it up yeah that was the plan

[0:34:15] Voice 6: yeah

[0:34:15] Voice 4: i'll just i'll just just to that point um uh the local trust committee did submit a business

[0:34:21] Voice 4: for the exact type of review you're talking about.

[0:34:25] Voice 4: Trust Council declined to fund it for this fiscal.

[0:34:30] Voice 4: We'll probably be talking later today

[0:34:33] Voice 4: about whether we wanna request a business case

[0:34:36] Voice 4: for exactly that or something different,

[0:34:40] Voice 4: which would be coming and providing funding

[0:34:43] Voice 4: for the next term.

[0:34:45] Voice 4: It's kind of awkward because it's an election

[0:34:47] Voice 4: in between now and when that funding decision will be made.

[0:34:51] Voice 4: so um but functionally if if we don't ask for any money there won't be any money for the new

[0:34:58] Voice 4: trust committee to do that work so we'll we'll have that discussion later so

[0:35:03] Voice 11: i know you got a

[0:35:04] Voice 11: process and people talk about this but i have to tell you i'm kind of concerned that there's

[0:35:10] Voice 11: a document and there's a proposal and the thing that i understood is voted on by the community

[0:35:15] Voice 11: years ago, that's not really being followed.

[0:35:19] Voice 10: It might be.

[0:35:21] Voice 11: That you're looking at it, but I don't even

[0:35:22] Voice 11: know how you're using it.

[0:35:23] Voice 11: So that's why I'm thinking, if it's almost irrelevant,

[0:35:28] Voice 11: I don't know how relevant.

[0:35:32] Voice 11: It needs to be changed so it's relevant.

[0:35:35] I guess that's what I'm saying.

[0:35:36] So I'm uncomfortable.

[0:35:39] Just to,

[0:35:40] Voice 13: I mean, I think this is, you know,

[0:35:42] Voice 13: you've been here longer than I have in this space,

[0:35:45] Voice 13: but I do understand that there was an amendment made to the OCP by-law in advance of this work,

[0:35:52] Voice 1: and that just

[0:35:53] Voice 13: occurred in February of 2026. And so that might be helpful too,

[0:35:58] Voice 1: that there was consideration

[0:35:59] Voice 13: made in relation to the OCP, the Fisher Community Plan by-law,

[0:36:03] Voice 13: in relation to this, and that it wasn't adopted by them. Hopefully that's helpful context.

[0:36:09] Voice 11: Yeah, hopefully. I mean, I'll have to come to board meetings to figure out how you guys

[0:36:12] Voice 11: doing it but this isn't particular to this one thing this is not particular to this one application

[0:36:18] Voice 11: however one applications actually are pretty good ways to focus in my mind to where are the holes

[0:36:28] Voice 11: no where are they okay fair enough

[0:36:31] Voice 4: jennifer is here and um

[0:36:34] Voice 9: i i don't maybe this will be a little

[0:36:36] Voice 9: bit helpful, or maybe not. I have a number of questions, but I'll just ask the first

[0:36:45] Voice 9: one and then anybody else. So the rural zone in our OCP states that this area is intended

[0:36:55] Voice 9: to allow for larger lot development to provide opportunities for a variety of rural activities

[0:37:02] Voice 9: activities without impinging on neighbours.

[0:37:05] Voice 9: And I have a question about water quality and water quantity

[0:37:10] Voice 9: risks that I'll ask a little bit later.

[0:37:13] Voice 9: But apart from water, impinging on neighbours

[0:37:17] Voice 9: usually involves noise, traffic, parking, and aesthetic elements

[0:37:22] Voice 9: not in keeping with the neighbourhood. Yet,

[0:37:25] Voice 9: on this property, we were considering allowing sawmilling

[0:37:29] Voice 9: and manufacturing of wood products, storage and sale of gravel, soil and

[0:37:35] Voice 9: aggregates, a cidery and a winery, including production and sales. That's

[0:37:41] Voice 9: all been said. Now, we also see included, although it was not mentioned in the

[0:37:48] Voice 9: most recent staff report, but it is in the 219 covenant, the permitting of

[0:37:56] Voice 9: of special and private events exceeding 100 persons, up to six times in a calendar year.

[0:38:05] Voice 9: The actual wording in the covenant indicates that the only limitation to this

[0:38:11] Voice 9: is up to six times a year for 100 persons or more.

[0:38:17] Voice 9: so apart from that one has to assume that there is in fact no limit to the number of times a year

[0:38:27] Voice 9: that weddings parties and other special events could be held for 99 or fewer persons

[0:38:35] Voice 9: now that is not mentioned in the staff report that is in so somebody reading the staff report

[0:38:42] Voice 9: court not meeting the covenant would have no idea that this proposed application in addition to all

[0:38:51] Voice 9: those other things which um i think have their own issues and concerns for what is right now

[0:38:59] Voice 9: a very quiet neighborhood with little traffic we now discover that weddings and parties

[0:39:10] Voice 9: for over 100 people can be held up to six times a year.

[0:39:16] Voice 9: In addition to other events, however many times a year,

[0:39:22] Voice 9: for 99 people it has.

[0:39:24] Voice 9: So I'd like to know, how have you determined that all the,

[0:39:31] Voice 9: and it relates to the OCP that this gentleman was just asking about,

[0:39:35] Voice 9: how have you determined that all these varied farming industrial and commercial activities

[0:39:43] Voice 9: will not impinge upon what is primarily to be a residential neighborhood

[0:39:56] Voice 9: yeah um as far as 100 people six times a year that's

[0:40:02] Voice 6: that's not a large amount in my opinion

[0:40:04] Voice 6: and i don't think that other property owners are have limitations on what they can do

[0:40:11] Voice 6: for the scale and the phased approach that is in this application i think that amount is

[0:40:20] Voice 6: appropriate wow if you could have exactly

[0:40:27] Voice 6: we want to have people over to have an event you want us to um maybe look into the future

[0:40:37] Voice 6: make a number for him how many people are allowed on this property i don't think we want to

[0:40:41] Voice 6: interfere with a lot of property owners in that manner

[0:40:47] Voice 9: can you

[0:40:48] Voice 4: just wait for her finish please jennifer can

[0:40:50] Voice 4: you wait for the yeah i

[0:40:52] Voice 9: don't think many

[0:40:53] Voice 9: probably never appreciate that type of involvement or oversight or bureaucracy but the lgc but i do

[0:40:58] Voice 9: think who was here is i'm myself personally has listed 20

[0:41:03] Voice 6: different limitations and caps

[0:41:06] Voice 6: on the activities that happen there the activities are around paper culture on its property and we

[0:41:13] Voice 6: need to promote that as an lgc that is in the ocp that is one of our values we want to encourage

[0:41:19] Voice 6: in the culture here we have an applicant who said rules we defined the cap the limitations

[0:41:26] Voice 6: the scope of this business it's site specific one year's down the road somebody else has that

[0:41:32] Voice 6: parking and you have to do at least do anything i have no issue with the caps so we've added it

[0:41:38] Voice 6: to the 219 government according to the bylaw further question

[0:41:44] Voice 9: yeah just quick comment and

[0:41:48] Voice 9: then I'll go on to my next question. This is not just a

[0:41:51] Voice 9: residential, this is not just somebody living in their own

[0:41:55] Voice 9: private house. This is somebody conducting industrial commercial

[0:41:59] Voice 9: activities. So the commercial activities related to a cider in

[0:42:04] Voice 9: a winery and having weddings

[0:42:05] Voice 9: and special events. That's not the

[0:42:07] Voice 9: same as an individual homeowner having a gathering. I really

[0:42:12] Voice 9: don't see those things.

[0:42:13] Voice 6: I do. I do. I see it. I do like to hear from you.

[0:42:16] Voice 6: and

[0:42:16] Voice 9: i think a lot of people are not aware at all that that is included in this proposal

[0:42:21] Voice 9: so it's not in the staff of course why is it not in the staff report along with the other uses

[0:42:28] Voice 9: yeah the

[0:42:28] Voice 2: account is set up

[0:42:29] Voice 9: 106 times a year i think that's appropriate for this

[0:42:32] Voice 9: i don't think i would support not having it any further okay i have other questions um i'll just

[0:42:39] Voice 9: yeah and like there may be somebody else

[0:42:41] Voice 9: i see

[0:42:46] Voice 4: a question back here um

[0:42:49] i just

[0:42:49] Voice 9: found out about the event and the hundred people uh i live on six allison without the

[0:42:57] Voice 9: property from the um i didn't have major concern with the first application uh when i heard about

[0:43:05] Voice 9: I do have a concern about the event because when there's a wedding, there's music, there's dancing, we all come here for peace and quiet with that amount of people and the noise that can be generated because that's going to happen in the summertime where we all come.

[0:43:25] Voice 9: We also are on community well, so there's going to be more people on that same when we get into restrictions.

[0:43:36] Voice 9: to increase the amount of water being used.

[0:43:40] Voice 9: So there's this concern with the changing of that increase

[0:43:45] Voice 9: to the 600, well, 100 people six times a year.

[0:43:50] Voice 9: It's probably gonna happen in seven months.

[0:43:53] Voice 9: That's gonna be taxing the system.

[0:43:55] Voice 9: It's gonna be noisier.

[0:43:57] Voice 9: And that's where I do have a concern.

[0:44:00] Voice 9: The rest of the application, I'm not too worried about,

[0:44:03] Voice 9: um but um the event yes i can yeah

[0:44:09] Voice 4: i'm not sure a question in there and i'm just going to remind

[0:44:11] Voice 4: folks this this is the question part and then statements or concerns uh please hold on to them

[0:44:17] Voice 4: for the publication process

[0:44:19] Voice 11: question okay i'm shocked i had no idea i'm sorry this just got

[0:44:28] Voice 11: pointed out to me i haven't read this thoroughly but i feel like i misled i saw the application

[0:44:35] Voice 11: and i kind of like oh gore used to do a lot and milling and i think a lot of that stuff is great

[0:44:46] Voice 11: this

[0:44:47] Voice 10: event thing just came under the blue it's like been hidden but i will tell you

[0:44:53] Voice 10: that you think it's

[0:44:55] Voice 10: reasonable,

[0:44:57] Voice 10: what's your process

[0:44:59] Voice 10: for getting it to that's reasonable?

[0:45:02] Voice 10: Did you have

[0:45:03] Voice 10: a review done

[0:45:04] Voice 11: of the road?

[0:45:05] Voice 10: That road where the entrance

[0:45:07] Voice 10: is, I drive by it all the time.

[0:45:10] Voice 10: That's not a good place to have 100

[0:45:11] Voice 10: people coming along. That's a very

[0:45:13] Voice 10: dangerous place.

[0:45:15] Voice 10: Did you have some survey

[0:45:18] Voice 10: done on the traffic

[0:45:20] Voice 10: flow? Did you look

[0:45:21] Voice 10: I mean, there's sound. What kind of investigation did you

[0:45:25] Voice 11: do to come to the conclusion that it's okay? Just saying it's okay doesn't work. That's about a process. I'd like to see the process or hear the process. That's all. That's the answer. I'm gathering there wasn't a process.

[0:45:46] Voice 2: I've

[0:45:46] Voice 6: made the referral from the Ministry of Transportation, whose jurisdiction that would be.

[0:45:52] Voice 6: You're

[0:45:52] Voice 10: referring it to him?

[0:45:53] Voice 6: I'm looking at the referral from the Ministry of Transportation.

[0:45:57] Voice 10: So there was a process? There was a process that went through to determine

[0:46:02] Voice 9: the process?

[0:46:04] Voice 9: We're at a community information meeting, a public hearing stage. We've gone through a lot of these processes. The referrals have been out. They're in the package.

[0:46:14] Okay,

[0:46:15] Voice 11: that one just started.

[0:46:17] Voice 9: Was the special events information included in that information that went out to the Ministry of Transportation?

[0:46:26] Voice 9: before how many people using that room no the the special events that would allow

[0:46:33] Voice 9: for special events and weddings uh up to six times a year for over a hundred people was that

[0:46:40] Voice 9: specifically included in the referral that went out to the administration specifically

[0:46:45] Voice 9: i don't think that's a large amount compared to some of the others

[0:46:49] Voice 9: okay i'd like this

[0:46:52] Voice 4: to not turn into a debate and also jennifer you didn't raise your hand

[0:46:55] Voice 4: Okay. So we're going to go to our kids. You did raise your hand, sir. And questions, please.

[0:46:59] Voice 12: The question is, the information about the special event, the number of people in the special event, did that go out in a referral that the Ministry of Transport promised?

[0:47:10] Voice 12: That

[0:47:10] Voice 4: would be a timing question. I don't know if anyone in the room can confirm that. Absolutely.

[0:47:18] Voice 2: it's a

[0:47:18] Voice 4: timing question so we'll circle

[0:47:20] Voice 4: back to that we're going to try and figure out when that

[0:47:23] Voice 4: referral came as as to where the application does

[0:47:27] Voice 12: does this the covenant mean that the

[0:47:31] Voice 12: the cidery uh or winery building could be used uh every day for an event for a special or private

[0:47:41] Voice 12: an event uh for for um with numbers of people uh under 100 people like you could have 50 people

[0:47:51] Voice 12: there every every day is that is that what the government permits you could have like you could

[0:47:58] Voice 12: have 50

[0:47:59] Voice 2: people you could

[0:48:00] Voice 12: have 60 you

[0:48:01] Voice 2: could have up to 99 people

[0:48:02] Voice 12: every day seven days a week 365

[0:48:05] Voice 12: 65 days a year is that right in

[0:48:08] Voice 6: theory i guess if that's my question you want to make it's not

[0:48:12] Voice 6: very realistic don't you really think that's going to happen do you think that's going to happen

[0:48:23] Voice 11: yes

[0:48:24] Voice 4: yes he's

[0:48:25] Voice 6: going to have that many people okay excuse

[0:48:28] Voice 4: me sir i'm going to ask you to not

[0:48:30] Voice 4: intervene this is a question and answer period so i'll call on you you can ask a question

[0:48:37] Voice 4: but please don't intervene while it's someone else's question being answered okay thank you

[0:48:43] Voice 12: burke here's the question i don't think it was clear uh really wasn't clear to me that there

[0:48:49] Voice 12: would be uh public events of that uh nature of that extensive public events enabled by this uh

[0:48:59] Voice 12: by this

[0:49:01] Voice 12: bylaw

[0:49:02] Voice 12: in a residentially

[0:49:05] Voice 12: zoned area

[0:49:06] Voice 12: we're talking here

[0:49:08] Voice 12: wouldn't that be like a commercial

[0:49:11] Voice 12: full on

[0:49:12] Voice 12: if you had

[0:49:13] Voice 12: public events

[0:49:17] Voice 12: private events

[0:49:18] Voice 12: special events

[0:49:19] Voice 12: people coming

[0:49:20] Voice 12: to drink cider

[0:49:24] Voice 12: to sit around and socialize

[0:49:27] Voice 12: you know

[0:49:29] Voice 12: may days or most days wouldn't

[0:49:31] Voice 6: that be something

[0:49:31] Voice 12: more appropriate for a commercially zoned

[0:49:34] Voice 12: uh property just

[0:49:37] Voice 6: to be clear 100 people would fit on like maybe one and a half school buses

[0:49:42] Voice 6: right these are not

[0:49:43] Voice 9: huge numbers and

[0:49:46] Voice 12: i never mind 100 people i'm talking about 100 people

[0:49:49] Voice 12: 50 let's say 50 people even 25 people coming over and having a you know it's like you know

[0:50:03] Voice 7: So this is a community information section.

[0:50:08] Voice 7: The public can ask questions of the application.

[0:50:10] Voice 7: They have the applications in front of them.

[0:50:13] Voice 7: This is not a discussion on the merits of the application.

[0:50:16] Voice 7: Correct.

[0:50:17] Voice 7: The

[0:50:17] Voice 4: merit is for the public hearing.

[0:50:20] Voice 4: So.

[0:50:24] Voice 9: well

[0:50:24] Voice 4: it sounds to me like sort of like just my take on what i'm hearing is it sounds like what

[0:50:30] Voice 4: you're talking about is like a uh like a tasting room or something like that which is a common

[0:50:35] Voice 4: thing at wineries and cideries and that would require a different type of application i'm pretty

[0:50:43] Voice 4: i'm quite sure but anyway i i could be wrong but generally tasting rooms require uh uh some liquor

[0:50:54] Voice 4: licensing which which then triggers other processes besides what we're talking about today

[0:51:02] Voice 4: so questions then

[0:51:08] Voice 9: jennifer could the ltc please provide a definition of what special events

[0:51:19] Voice 9: special and private events for anybody or just for this application well in relation to this

[0:51:29] Voice 9: application i think that there's some there appears to be some uncertainty about what that

[0:51:34] Voice 9: might entail i believe weddings was actually mentioned somewhere in some of the information

[0:51:40] Voice 9: that I read so that would be similar to bodega lodge which I imagine has a very different kind of

[0:51:49] Voice 9: zoning or licensing so I could you provide a definition of what special events private and

[0:52:01] Voice 9: special events are in relation to this application other

[0:52:07] Voice 6: than how it would refer to in

[0:52:08] Voice 6: um like statutory

[0:52:10] Voice 9: um uh requirements like from the liquor control board or special events

[0:52:19] Voice 9: and i just

[0:52:32] Voice 4: i just know that to trustee govro's point um there the liquor control board

[0:52:39] Voice 4: does issue special occasion licenses for serving alcohol on on specific day you know on a specific

[0:52:49] Voice 4: event which have to be applied for paid for and processed through the through the control board

[0:52:55] Voice 4: so that i mean that would be that was sort of the way i was looking at it um as soon as you're

[0:53:05] Voice 4: on scale i can't remember precisely what the level is where it goes beyond a family picnic

[0:53:12] Voice 4: but as soon as certainly as soon as you're charging uh an event like that you would need

[0:53:16] Voice 4: require legally a special event license well

[0:53:21] Voice 9: i think i think the question was what process or

[0:53:25] Voice 9: what determination have you engaged in to conclude that such events held that frequently and up to a

[0:53:37] Voice 9: it says over it can exceed 100 people so we're not just talking about 100 people

[0:53:43] Voice 9: does it can exceed 100 people how can you determine that that does not according to the

[0:53:50] Voice 9: bylaw impinge on the surrounding neighborhood that is my question how can i guarantee you that it won't

[0:54:00] Voice 9: no i'm asking i don't know that i couldn't how have you determined that have you talked to

[0:54:05] Voice 9: we've given the best direction and guidelines and i think those are uh patrick in that

[0:54:19] Voice 9: That's a big consideration with this application.

[0:54:24] Voice 9: It prevents us from, it prevents the venue from

[0:54:29] Voice 6: creeping into larger, you know, multi-festival

[0:54:37] Voice 6: events that are not scaled

[0:54:40] Voice 9: for that event.

[0:54:42] Voice 9: no it says they can exceed 100 persons six times a year so there is no there's no top half on the

[0:54:50] Voice 9: number of people who could be at a special or private event it says it can exceed 100 persons

[0:54:57] Voice 9: six times a year i think the

[0:55:00] Voice 6: licensing will look at this liquor maintaining a liquor license

[0:55:04] Voice 6: license will require that if he wishes to maintain his liquor license, which I have no doubt that's

[0:55:13] Voice 6: a very critical piece to his business. He would like to stay in good standing with the liquor

[0:55:18] Voice 6: control board. He's having events with over 100 people. There is a tremendous amount of regulations

[0:55:23] Voice 6: that go along with that. Can you

[0:55:27] Voice 4: please not interrupt while someone's answering your

[0:55:30] Voice 4: question jennifer can you actually let her finish the answer because that's twice now you've done it

[0:55:37] Voice 4: in a row it's just it's not on thank you we

[0:55:40] Voice 9: have water licensing as well we want to be able to

[0:55:43] Voice 9: exceed that amount this

[0:55:48] Voice 11: is back to what something i asked and i think i now know the answer is you've

[0:55:53] Voice 11: never you don't have a business plan nobody's presented you nobody's presented you with a

[0:55:59] Voice 11: business plan saying what do they plan to do with the cyber is that what you can look i didn't see

[0:56:11] Voice 4: okay so you know if you want to speak raise your hand i'll call on you please

[0:56:21] Voice 4: don't speak before you're called on and you know inter discussion is not okay

[0:56:29] Voice 4: And if you have any piece that you wanted to add on any of these questions, you know, put your hand up, I'm happy to call on you.

[0:56:36] Voice 4: So, questions?

[0:56:37] Voice 4: I

[0:56:38] Voice 5: don't have questions, so I'm not going to ask any.

[0:56:40] Voice 4: I don't think

[0:56:41] Voice 4: it's the same.

[0:56:43] Voice 11: Great.

[0:56:45] Voice 4: Anyone else, questions?

[0:56:51] Voice 4: Okay, I'm not seeing any more questions.

[0:56:54] Voice 4: Oh, Jennifer?

[0:56:55] Voice 9: I have quite a few questions.

[0:56:57] Voice 9: No, yes.

[0:56:58] Voice 9: Yes. So, water use, water is not water use for those kind of large events mentioned in the water management plan.

[0:57:09] Voice 6: Specifically?

[0:57:10] Voice 6: I believe there's a maximum daily demand has been calculated that the water license.

[0:57:20] Voice 9: There's no mention of water usage for special events or large events in the water management.

[0:57:30] Voice 9: It does break it down into irrigation for the orchard, for residents, for a washroom

[0:57:41] Voice 9: in the workshop, for the processing and washing or screening.

[0:57:46] Voice 9: It breaks it down into a number of different categories, but there's no mention of what

[0:57:52] Voice 9: additional water usage would be required for events of that sort.

[0:57:59] Voice 9: I would mention that you'd

[0:58:04] Voice 6: be asking for cubic meters of water, and that number would be

[0:58:08] Voice 9: captured in there.

[0:58:10] Voice 9: You

[0:58:10] Voice 6: want to know

[0:58:10] Voice 9: exactly what that would take?

[0:58:12] Voice 9: Well,

[0:58:12] Voice 6: the other things are itemized

[0:58:13] Voice 9: in terms of the amount of water that would likely be used.

[0:58:17] Voice 9: Yeah,

[0:58:18] Voice 6: and then the amount on the maximum daily

[0:58:21] Voice 9: demand.

[0:58:22] Voice 6: And then that amount is anticipates the 2.5 acre orchard in place.

[0:58:29] Voice 9: That's already a tremendous amount of water.

[0:58:31] Voice 9: I can't buy my notes, but it's something like 10,000 liters.

[0:58:35] Voice 9: But there's no mention of water usage for large special events.

[0:58:38] Voice 9: It can't

[0:58:38] Voice 9: capture every single thing, but it would be.

[0:58:41] Voice 9: But they're all estimations.

[0:58:43] Voice 9: Yeah.

[0:58:44] Voice 9: Okay.

[0:58:46] Voice 9: My next question is, according to the water management report,

[0:58:50] Voice 9: The slope of the land goes towards the sensitive and riparian areas.

[0:58:55] Voice 9: It mentions the danger of oil and other substances from trucks,

[0:58:59] Voice 9: but nothing about the orchard and the potential use of fertilizers, insecticides, fungicides, etc.

[0:59:07] Voice 9: I've not seen any information indicating that this will be a certified for organic operation.

[0:59:14] Voice 9: The water management plan report states that our fractured bedrock aquifer is moderately

[0:59:21] Voice 9: vulnerable to surface sources of pollution and based on the available information there

[0:59:28] Voice 9: are at least 44 wells in the area.

[0:59:31] Voice 9: Why is there no reference to potential contamination of sensitive and riparian areas and adjacent

[0:59:39] Voice 9: Jason Wells in the staff reports in Covenant.

[1:00:00] Voice 6: Well, yeah, the water management plan did talk about a groundwater relationship.

[1:00:04] Voice 6: It did.

[1:00:05] Voice 6: The bond is going to be monitored for impacts.

[1:00:09] Voice 6: There's a lot of money that's already in the water management plan on

[1:00:13] Voice 6: what's going to happen.

[1:00:14] Voice 6: And along with the contract, there is requirements for any vehicle that's stored over 14 days.

[1:00:21] Voice 6: Do you have parts and

[1:00:23] Voice 9: straw and swales that we've been called?

[1:00:28] Voice 9: My question is not about that.

[1:00:30] Voice 9: My question is about, it's not mentioned anywhere, frugal objects, insecticides,

[1:00:36] Voice 9: fungicides that would be used in an orchard.

[1:00:40] Voice 9: There's no indication that this is going to be an organic orchard.

[1:00:44] Voice 4: It's already zoned for agriculture.

[1:00:47] Voice 4: Yeah,

[1:00:47] Voice 9: it's already zoned for

[1:00:48] Voice 4: agriculture is a good point.

[1:00:49] Voice 4: But the point I was going to make is any agricultural activity anywhere in the province

[1:00:57] Voice 4: is governed by legislation, and this would be no different.

[1:01:05] Voice 4: I don't know that it's fair to assume that this operator

[1:01:10] Voice 4: or some other operator in the future might disregard the law,

[1:01:15] Voice 4: and I don't think that's something we can take into account,

[1:01:21] Voice 4: you know, such a supposition.

[1:01:23] Voice 4: So, again, the agriculture is a permitted use.

[1:01:29] Voice 4: There's no, you know, there are the legal limits to what's permissible in the province of British Columbia.

[1:01:39] Voice 4: And, I mean, beyond testing the wells and the other mitigation and prevention metrics that are mentioned,

[1:01:50] Voice 4: mentioned um i i don't see what further this local trust committee can reasonably demand

[1:01:57] Voice 9: well there's a community water system right below this property that services 37 households

[1:02:05] Voice 9: and there are 44 other wells and so contamination of our aquifer water i think is a concern for

[1:02:16] Voice 9: everyone so i'm just asking how have you taken that potential risk into account and further to

[1:02:23] Voice 9: that the water management report recommended an environmental farm plan for this project

[1:02:30] Voice 9: yet that is not included in the staff report which says it was only suggested in fact it was

[1:02:37] Voice 9: a recommendation and when i looked up what the environmental farm plan is it's a voluntary

[1:02:44] Voice 9: completely confidential and free program designed to help farmers identify environmental risks on

[1:02:52] Voice 9: their properties and adopt more sustainable climate resilient practices and it looks at

[1:02:58] Voice 9: how farms daily operations interact with the surrounding ecosystem and evaluates risk to

[1:03:05] Voice 9: soil health water quality and so on okay

[1:03:09] Voice 4: so i'm just i'm just going to stop you there because

[1:03:12] Voice 4: is again i really want to focus on on specific questions and i think the answer would you would

[1:03:19] Voice 9: you

[1:03:19] Voice 4: hold please would you please hold yes because

[1:03:25] Voice 4: i have something to say um if the if the local

[1:03:30] Voice 4: trust committee chose not to advance this rezoning it would not remove the agricultural use on the

[1:03:37] Voice 4: property and and so i i hear that you're wanting us to add a number of restrictions or other

[1:03:45] Voice 4: measures um around specifically around the agricultural potential runoff and i get that

[1:03:53] Voice 4: and i understand those concerns but the kind of concerns you're bringing up right now if this

[1:03:59] Voice 4: uh application were to proceed no further that there's no mitigation there like we're we're not

[1:04:07] Voice 4: adding we're not adding a new use by allowing the agriculture so i'm having a little bit of

[1:04:15] Voice 4: like we're not we're not

[1:04:18] Voice 4: furthering uh an opportunity that's not already existing

[1:04:23] Voice 4: in terms of somebody being a poor steward of their land for whatever reason they would choose to do

[1:04:28] Voice 4: that um and and so you know well

[1:04:33] Voice 9: you actually have already done so in enabling to make your

[1:04:37] Voice 9: agricultural operation with by

[1:04:40] Voice 4: the okay i'm going to ask you to stick to questions please so

[1:04:49] Voice 9: okay so

[1:04:50] Voice 4: new questions let's not rehash anything we've already been through

[1:04:54] Voice 4: new questions my

[1:04:59] Voice 9: question is since that was a recommendation of the water management plan

[1:05:03] Voice 9: which you required the applicant to obtain why has that been dismissed as a recommendation

[1:05:11] Voice 9: when it might actually offer protection to the surrounding groundwater wells

[1:05:17] Voice 9: else. What recommendation

[1:05:24] Voice 6: was that again?

[1:05:26] Voice 9: An environmental farm plan. An environmental farm

[1:05:32] Voice 6: plan?

[1:05:33] Voice 9: Farm plan. First of all, skill setter? It's in the water management report. It's one of the

[1:05:39] Voice 9: recommendations. And in the staff report, it was dismissed as just a suggestion.

[1:05:48] Voice 9: The geologist is asking for the LA it was a recommendation

[1:05:58] Voice 9: that they participate in

[1:06:01] Voice 9: the environmental farm plan recommendation that it's not important so you know it was

[1:06:08] Voice 9: a recommendation yeah that would seem to

[1:06:18] Voice 9: be aligned with the trust preserve and protect

[1:06:21] Voice 9: mandate so I was just curious about why that was dismissed right we're talking about an

[1:06:35] Voice 9: worship that's less than an acre right because it's not two and a half acres two

[1:06:40] Voice 5: and a half

[1:06:41] Voice 5: acres

[1:06:41] Voice 9: two and a half acres at the outside yeah yeah um

[1:06:45] Voice 5: depends on what i go for with for rootstock

[1:06:50] Voice 5: but you know probably i don't know two to five hundred somewhere in there can

[1:06:59] Voice 9: can i ask would

[1:07:00] Voice 9: you be using pesticides and well

[1:07:04] Voice 5: yeah any pesticides that's the plan i don't know what

[1:07:08] Voice 5: to be honest um i think i probably won't be trying to do it organically i would be trying to

[1:07:14] Voice 5: limit um pesticide fungicide even fertilizer use as much as possible but realistically it's a

[1:07:22] Voice 5: it's a farming operation and in some circumstances you have to use um some products that are not

[1:07:29] Voice 5: organic and in doing so you know you try to use them as responsibly as possible and um

[1:07:36] Voice 5: I don't know why I'm answering questions right now, because this is not.

[1:07:39] Voice 5: Yeah, well,

[1:07:40] Voice 2: and there's,

[1:07:41] Voice 4: you know, I just say from my experience in various types of

[1:07:48] Voice 4: agricultural work that I've done for others in my own fruit trees, there's a number of

[1:07:54] Voice 4: different approaches.

[1:07:55] Voice 4: Some are more high risk in terms of possible leachate than others, and, you know, but ultimately

[1:08:03] Voice 4: the local trust committee can can only regulate the actual um agricultural activities you know

[1:08:15] Voice 4: to a certain point we they can't dictate um you know whether you use pyrethrum or uh or sulfur

[1:08:24] Voice 4: or i mean it's that's that's getting into minutiae that's far beyond reasonable

[1:08:30] Voice 9: My question was, why is not the water management plan recommendation that the farms utilize the resource of an environmental farm plan,

[1:08:44] Voice 9: which is set up by the province to help farmers farm sustainably and without inadvertently polluting groundwater sources?

[1:08:55] Voice 9: Why was that taken?

[1:08:57] Voice 9: and it was a suggestion it was a recommendation it was not

[1:09:02] Voice 2: a suggestion it

[1:09:03] Voice 9: was a recommendation

[1:09:06] Voice 9: no i understand that but it seems like a good one that's

[1:09:10] Voice 6: not included in the covenant

[1:09:12] Voice 6: like i wouldn't think that that's what i was predicting

[1:09:17] Voice 9: that's in the staff report that it was it was eliminated in the staff report it says it was

[1:09:24] Voice 9: just a suggestion it was a recommendation and it could be in the covenant so i'm just asking why

[1:09:30] Voice 9: what was the reason it wasn't including

[1:09:40] Voice 13: the wording of the staff report i think says recommendations and then as the orchard was

[1:09:45] Voice 13: being developed it may be beneficial so maybe if you put those two together you get to a suggestion

[1:09:54] I

[1:09:55] Voice 13: also don't I don't have the history of the unfortunately of the thinking here so I can't

[1:10:01] Voice 13: do that yeah

[1:10:05] Voice 3: I just saw that too

[1:10:06] Voice 4: maybe maybe beneficial it's not exactly another recommendation

[1:10:09] Voice 4: new questions any new questions

[1:10:12] Voice 4: I have to tell you I'm not very happy with the process here

[1:10:18] Voice 11: and this isn't any comment

[1:10:21] Voice 10: on the application like that you think it's a good idea isn't an

[1:10:26] Voice 10: answer to the process like why did you take is that a question yes why how what's the process

[1:10:35] Voice 10: you went through to look at a recommendation and then say i'm not taking it why am

[1:10:42] Voice 6: i putting it

[1:10:42] Voice 6: in here because i don't have any statutory authority over um creating this

[1:10:47] Voice 9: environmental

[1:10:48] Voice 9: farm plan that's not in our rcp i don't i'm not an authority it doesn't have to be in place

[1:10:55] Voice 10: it was a recommendation that you do and you chose not to

[1:11:01] Voice 10: let's not get into the merits i just want the broadcast is this just you guys get to

[1:11:08] Voice 10: everybody get together and you talk and you chat and then you come to something that seems nice

[1:11:12] Voice 10: well that's that's where i'm getting with them i'm sort of frustrated with those answers

[1:11:17] Voice 10: i

[1:11:18] Voice 9: just

[1:11:23] Voice 4: want to point out that we we didn't get to this point today um you know just having a chat

[1:11:30] Voice 4: this yeah we're at this point with this staff report after a number of different meetings

[1:11:35] Voice 4: after the local trust committee uh asking the applicant to provide further information to go

[1:11:41] Voice 4: and get this water management plan to do a number of things i don't have the the the minutes of the

[1:11:48] Voice 4: previous meetings in front of me but this local trust committee made a series of resolutions

[1:11:56] Voice 4: directing the applicant to provide a number of different forms of information

[1:12:01] Voice 4: that are reflected in this report but maybe not in a way that you can actually

[1:12:05] Voice 4: see the progression and i understand that

[1:12:11] Voice 4: know this this today is not the result of just sitting around in simple chat but a number of

[1:12:19] Voice 4: meetings a number of work done by the applicant to satisfy the direct requests of the local trust

[1:12:25] Voice 4: committee so um you know i i hear that you're frustrated uh i can only recommend that um you

[1:12:33] Voice 4: know you you there are ways you could have followed and got all the background prior to

[1:12:39] Voice 4: coming today um which may or may not have satisfied you but then at least you could

[1:12:43] Voice 4: understand that this is not a it's not just a one-off this isn't an overnight rubber stamp

[1:12:47] Voice 4: situation uh the local trust committee is deliberating at length about the number of

[1:12:52] Voice 4: these pieces getting us to this point today thank

[1:12:55] Voice 2: you jennifer

[1:12:58] Voice 10: i

[1:13:00] Voice 9: have another question

[1:13:02] Voice 9: according to the water demand chart well is being used as a residence used for residents

[1:13:08] Voice 9: a workshop washroom, a cidery production, an on-site washroom, fire protection, and an orchard.

[1:13:15] Voice 9: Yet no pump test has occurred to determine if this well has that capacity now.

[1:13:22] Voice 9: And given that we are all experiencing ever longer drug periods due to climate change,

[1:13:27] Voice 9: it seems to me that this would be good to know.

[1:13:32] Voice 9: we know that in a fractured bedrock aquifer there is such a thing as well interference where

[1:13:39] Voice 9: over pumping of one well can affect other wells but the staff report again dismisses a water

[1:13:46] Voice 9: management report recommendation that one or more neighboring well owners are asked to give

[1:13:53] Voice 9: permission to have their wells monitored during the pump testing of the property's well

[1:13:59] Voice 9: well if i was a neighboring property owner and i'm not i would absolutely want this i know in

[1:14:07] Voice 9: my own neighborhood we have well interference with our neighbors wells why has this recommendation

[1:14:15] Voice 9: been dismissed i

[1:14:16] Voice 4: think this one's really straightforward because if we put it in as a

[1:14:20] Voice 4: as a condition and there were no neighbors willing to permit that then it would necessarily

[1:14:27] Voice 4: necessarily stop the application down in its tracks so if there was someone who was going to

[1:14:36] Voice 4: you know sign an affidavit they were willing to do that then we might be able to do that

[1:14:40] Voice 4: but for us to demand that as a condition of the application uh you know proceeding

[1:14:48] Voice 4: then all it takes for the neighbors to stop that is for everyone to agree to say no

[1:14:52] Voice 4: we won't let him do that that's why it's not in there that's really straightforward

[1:14:57] Voice 7: We don't have the right to go on to somebody else's property, include them in the rezoning

[1:15:05] Voice 7: process.

[1:15:05] Voice 7: We just don't have the right to do that.

[1:15:09] Voice 7: So there's a suggestion to the owner that if they wish to undertake that, then they

[1:15:14] Voice 7: can approach Neighborhood Properties to do this, but for us to make a requirement is

[1:15:19] Voice 7: not part of this application.

[1:15:21] Voice 7: We would be infringing on somebody else's property.

[1:15:24] Voice 9: do you not think though that adjacent landowners but that's whether they do

[1:15:29] Voice 4: or not yeah that's why

[1:15:31] Voice 4: it's

[1:15:32] Voice 7: not a condition it's not

[1:15:33] Voice 4: reasonable i believe all of us including from the staff side

[1:15:38] Voice 4: that's not a reasonable condition to make something that's contingent upon the permission

[1:15:44] Voice 4: of a neighbor that's just like i'm pretty sure the applicant could get that struck down in court

[1:15:50] Voice 4: very very simply

[1:15:51] Voice 9: well i

[1:15:56] Voice 4: think the i mean my take is that the advocate has been privy to all of the

[1:16:02] Voice 4: discussions and um and is is fully aware around the neighborhood concerns around water and there's

[1:16:09] Voice 4: there's the fact it's not put in as a condition in no way prevents them from pursuing that if

[1:16:15] Voice 4: they wish to we're starting to get into discussions where it really is between the neighbor yeah and

[1:16:24] Voice 4: that's that's why it's not there because it's not reasonable for us to put a condition that is

[1:16:30] Voice 4: completely contingent on the neighbor's permission that's why it's been removed what about then

[1:16:34] Voice 9: asking the crd um stick splatter sticks allison community again if

[1:16:44] Voice 4: we make that contingent on the

[1:16:45] Voice 4: decision uh of a body or an individual that is not in our jurisdiction we're placing i believe

[1:16:52] Voice 4: an unreasonable restriction on the applicant

[1:16:55] Voice 4: that that i think

[1:16:57] Voice 4: would be easily dismissible

[1:16:58] Voice 4: of court and let's not go down that road i mean that's the simple answer

[1:17:05] Voice 9: the crd responsible for

[1:17:09] Voice 9: the sticks house and community water system uh provided ever curl comment they

[1:17:16] Voice 3: should all be

[1:17:17] Voice 3: within the package i

[1:17:19] Voice 9: guess i didn't see anything yet look

[1:17:23] Voice 7: for that no concerns also

[1:17:25] Voice 6: i just wrote

[1:17:26] Voice 6: that the like operations can't proceed on that property until there's a successful water license

[1:17:34] Which I do think, if I remember correctly, in 2024, when

[1:17:40] Voice 9: the well was dug, the drill well rated the

[1:17:46] Voice 6: well at 10 gallons per minute, and the water management plant required only 2 gallons.

[1:17:55] Voice 5: they actually thought it was a lot better than that but they weren't

[1:17:57] Voice 5: willing

[1:17:57] Voice 7: to write it down

[1:17:59] Voice 7: I would point out that there's

[1:18:01] Voice 7: 44 other wells in that area

[1:18:04] Voice 7: this is the only well

[1:18:06] Voice 7: that is going to be monitored

[1:18:09] Voice 7: licensed every other

[1:18:10] Voice 7: well owner in that area can pump

[1:18:12] Voice 7: their well 24-7

[1:18:13] Voice 7: yeah right

[1:18:15] Voice 7: complete disregard for

[1:18:18] Voice 7: I

[1:18:18] Voice 9: can do that

[1:18:26] Voice 9: for the water system

[1:18:28] Voice 9: well that's 37 households directly in that area but

[1:18:32] Voice 7: any private well in

[1:18:33] Voice 7: that in that area is can pump to their heart's content 24 7 that's that's the reality of the

[1:18:41] Voice 7: well you can do that so this is this will be the one well in the neighborhood that's monitored

[1:18:47] Voice 7: going to license one

[1:18:55] Voice 9: more question okay um the february 11 staff report and the february 2025

[1:19:01] Voice 9: letter to mr plumber specified that a septic disposal report would be required to proceed

[1:19:08] Voice 9: with the application that was in february 2025 but there's no septic report in the public hearing

[1:19:17] Voice 9: building finder. Where is that report?

[1:19:35] Voice 2: Regardless of what?

[1:19:39] Voice 9: I'm just quoting it comes right from the February 11, 2025 staff

[1:19:44] report.

[1:19:47] Voice 9: The

[1:20:02] Voice 7: reality is, as soon as a building permit, regardless of

[1:20:06] Voice 7: whether it's for the signory or for the house, or the shop, a

[1:20:10] Voice 7: septic permit will be part of that application if you don't go without it

[1:20:27] Voice 9: specifically stated that additional information required to proceed with your application

[1:20:34] Voice 9: includes a septic disposal report prepared by registered on-site wastewater practitioner

[1:20:40] Voice 9: for the septic servicing of the people's uses consistent with so it sounds like what you're

[1:21:00] Voice 9: saying is there is no

[1:21:01] Voice 9: septic disposal report at this point at

[1:21:04] Voice 6: this point it's a phased approach

[1:21:07] Voice 6: i think it's how like it's not operation yet today we have a preliminary site plan

[1:21:14] Voice 5: he hasn't pulled a permit i'm an

[1:21:16] Voice 6: rwp i can

[1:21:17] Voice 5: give you a verbal report on if you'd like

[1:21:18] Voice 5: I mean,

[1:21:19] Voice 9: I think

[1:21:24] Voice 7: this discussion was had at the start then. And the reality is when we got to

[1:21:32] Voice 7: something like this, we can't ask the report for something that doesn't exist. It's only when the

[1:21:40] Voice 7: permits are pulled that we get the we get the subject analysis is done for what you're applying

[1:21:46] Voice 7: for, and you build the field to that.

[1:21:49] Voice 7: So a good example would be if you're going to have a special event at the winery, you're

[1:21:56] Voice 7: going to need to build a septic system that's going to be able to cover off those special

[1:22:00] Voice 7: events.

[1:22:01] Voice 7: Right?

[1:22:01] Voice 7: So the checks and balances are there.

[1:22:04] Voice 7: Right?

[1:22:05] Voice 7: Whether you like the application or not, the checks and balances are there.

[1:22:08] Voice 7: They're there with the water.

[1:22:10] Voice 7: We've got a water license, we've got water testing.

[1:22:12] Voice 7: And same with septic.

[1:22:14] Voice 7: If the applicant applies for a building permit for a house, a septic permit is required as part of that application or something like that, right?

[1:22:22] Voice 7: Same with the cidery, if you're going to be having events, up to, and the applicant will declare that at the time because he has to, right?

[1:22:33] Voice 7: Because he has to build the septic field to that requirement, just like any restaurant would have to do.

[1:22:39] Voice 7: and so um you know i think i think the problem is is you can't you can't just make all of these

[1:22:48] Voice 7: requirements ahead of what you know you're doing right this is a rezoning application to get us to

[1:22:54] Voice 7: a certain point the applicant has a ton of work to do even after we're finished with them if we

[1:22:59] Voice 7: get that far and uh and and those things will be covered off as you go down that path the same with

[1:23:06] Voice 7: any sort of subdivision or rezoning you do it with mr highways or you don't see any of those

[1:23:12] Voice 7: any of those other agencies they are um so you can't ask for things that you

[1:23:21] Voice 7: you don't know when you don't know what they are

[1:23:25] Voice 2: public

[1:23:25] Voice 9: hearing for this application so these are all questions sure

[1:23:29] Voice 7: and that was my answer

[1:23:32] Voice 9: the subject plan would need to be approved by l health it's too early for my own health yeah

[1:23:38] Voice 7: it's not possible island helps will go let me see the building it's not possible to have the report

[1:23:44] Voice 7: before you have the building done because

[1:23:49] Voice 9: these are all because these are all parts of the terms

[1:23:52] Voice 9: of reference this is something that they have to do yeah

[1:23:55] Voice 7: that's right yeah

[1:23:56] Voice 9: okay any further

[1:23:59] Voice 4: questions on this piece because we do have another uh community information session uh coming up

[1:24:10] Voice 13: just follow up the referral was sent out in the referral to those agencies i think it was a

[1:24:16] Voice 13: question previously and that referral is a link to um the other documents that code along with

[1:24:21] Voice 13: the application including the draft so it

[1:24:25] Voice 9: is there should the referral agencies want to dig

[1:24:27] Voice 9: deeper into it yeah they have access

[1:24:30] Voice 11: to all of it yeah

[1:24:33] Voice 4: okay so um we're going to move on to the associated islands a regulation review project

[1:24:40] Voice 4: which is draft bylaw number 300 and over to regional planning manager's cursor to introduce

[1:24:58] Voice 13: is first time, but also to make some corrections to the current

[1:25:16] Voice 13: boarding. So this has been underway. It's to rezone all

[1:25:21] Voice 13: boat access

[1:25:22] Voice 9: only lots. So she had done some more points,

[1:25:26] Voice 9: currently zoning the small residential

[1:25:28] Voice 13: to small island

[1:25:30] Voice 13: residential. Now, these basically near each other. So

[1:25:34] Voice 13: the new small island residential mirrors all the uses the

[1:25:39] Voice 13: densities and the second side regulations in the other small

[1:25:45] Voice 13: small lot residential zone.

[1:25:47] Voice 9: The only differences between this two are the

[1:25:50] Voice 9: disposed new exemptions to the setback of the natural boundary of the C4, that new

[1:25:55] Voice 9: small island residential zone lot. The draft by-law currently exempts the following.

[1:26:02] Voice 9: So again, this is the draft by-law that exempts

[1:26:06] Voice 13: the following structures located in

[1:26:08] Voice 13: that new zone. So you, in other words, would be allowed to have solar panel arrays

[1:26:14] Voice 13: for the purposes of supplying power to the lot on which the structure is located.

[1:26:19] Voice 13: But you must not exceed 4 meters in height.

[1:26:22] Voice 13: There's in the total solar array a surface of 5 meters squared.

[1:26:27] Voice 13: As well, you

[1:26:29] Voice 9: would be allowed to have stairs to access the foreshore with a width less than 1.5 meters,

[1:26:35] Voice 9: as well as walkways, stairs, or ramp access to the permitted private dock in the marine zone.

[1:26:43] Voice 9: and anchor pads or abutments up to 1.5 meters in length for

[1:26:49] Voice 13: the purposes of securing a permitted private and community dock wharf to the upland block.

[1:26:55] Voice 13: And then there are a couple of other proposed changes that have been proposed here just from these amendments.

[1:27:05] Voice 13: this. We had this recommendation, there was a duplication

[1:27:08] Voice 9: in the proposed wording. And as well,

[1:27:14] Voice 9: there was some feedback from the Advisory Planning Commission, in which case, there have

[1:27:21] Voice 9: been some suggested changes such as making it such that you can have that solo larger

[1:27:27] Voice 9: larger um adding doc to the definition i believe and um i think i might get in the second part

[1:27:38] Voice 9: again the referrals just to reference there for people that in general um we didn't hear it

[1:27:44] Voice 9: all right so

[1:27:56] Voice 11: on this project

[1:27:58] Voice 11: yeah questions

[1:28:09] Voice 7: if you don't have a question then you just wait for the public hearing question

[1:28:12] Voice 7: where yeah

[1:28:17] Voice 9: no

[1:28:17] Voice 4: no that's a piece we're going oh okay

[1:28:19] Voice 9: that's

[1:28:21] Voice 4: okay go ahead

[1:28:23] Voice 9: okay so uh my name is jimmy dustin and i'm the chair of the advisory planning

[1:28:29] Voice 9: Commission. And for those of you who are here who don't have a public

[1:28:33] Voice 9: position, we're sort of maybe an adjunct

[1:28:37] Voice 9: committee to the local trust committee where they bring their questions to us

[1:28:41] Voice 9: and we work together to come up with some suggested

[1:28:46] answers to those questions. And so

[1:28:48] the recommendations to the

[1:28:54] Voice 9: bylaw, the small

[1:28:58] Voice 9: small residential. So there are five of our community members

[1:29:04] Voice 9: here today. And I just want to thank everybody on our community

[1:29:10] Voice 9: because we've got a diverse group of people. We are given

[1:29:14] Voice 9: these questions. We have diverse opinions on answering these

[1:29:19] Voice 9: questions. We work together and we hear each other and we come

[1:29:23] Voice 9: sometimes we don't always agree and those and we would, we

[1:29:27] Voice 9: would acknowledge that in our reports. But we do really work

[1:29:32] Voice 9: well together as a group and I thank you for that. And I also

[1:29:36] Voice 9: want to thank the trustees for meeting with me recently about

[1:29:40] Voice 9: how we report and specifically to Trustee Peterson for making

[1:29:45] Voice 9: the recommendation to shorten our reports, provide

[1:29:48] Voice 9: recommendations and provide rationale for those

[1:29:51] Voice 9: recommendations. So this time it's a three page report with

[1:29:55] Voice 9: recommendations and rationale, and we can help.

[1:30:02] Voice 9: agreement. And then the staff harkens back to something that

[1:30:11] Voice 9: trustee Mayberry said a little bit earlier, the staff did a

[1:30:13] Voice 9: report on the report. And in the staff report, there are a number

[1:30:18] Voice 9: of errors and omissions. And that's what I wanted to bring

[1:30:20] Voice 9: up today. Because it is a two page report. So you also could

[1:30:25] Voice 9: to read it yourself and get our recommendations out of that report but um uh we wanted to just

[1:30:33] Voice 9: reinforce how sensitive and important the foreshore is and so when we're talking about

[1:30:41] Voice 9: reducing the setback it is it is it is you know something to really think seriously about

[1:30:47] Voice 9: however we have this historic issue with wise island of some really poor planning that was

[1:30:54] Voice 9: done a very long time ago and now there's some issues that need to be resolved around that

[1:30:59] Voice 9: so part of why this recommend your proposed bylaw has come about as a result of some of

[1:31:08] Voice 9: the circumstances on Wise Island but it has also been extended to all boat access only properties

[1:31:17] Voice 9: And so when we looked at some of the exemptions that are in the proposed bylaw, some of them

[1:31:27] Voice 9: we wanted to just suggest some changes to, and those weren't always reflected in the

[1:31:31] Voice 9: staff report.

[1:31:33] Voice 9: So the first thing that we wanted to suggest was that whenever there was a scope of a rate

[1:31:40] Voice 9: suggested to be in the smaller setback, 7.5 meter setback, but that will only be permitted

[1:31:49] Voice 9: when there's no other feasible place on the property for that to be.

[1:31:55] Voice 9: And often it would be the case there is no other, and why is that what they run into a lot,

[1:31:59] Voice 9: but because we're looking at all BOGACs as properties, BOGACs as owned properties,

[1:32:05] Voice 9: we think that that should be considered. The other thing that we noticed in the report is that the

[1:32:13] Voice 9: staff suggested that lies is the only island that does not have access to hydro electricity,

[1:32:19] Voice 9: but we don't believe that that's the case. I don't think that's the point, for instance,

[1:32:25] Voice 9: which they have included as codex is only used on an island and they don't have access to hydro.

[1:32:32] Voice 9: So our suggestion, too, is that those properties that do not have access to hydro, be permitted

[1:32:42] Voice 9: to have solar within this shorty setback, a 7.5-metre setback.

[1:32:49] Voice 9: And in the case of WISE, we are even suggesting, although it's not a, maybe not everybody would

[1:32:58] Voice 9: to have a larger array of 10 square meters. So we're already and that's because we were

[1:33:06] Voice 9: suggested suggested to us that an average person required that much power to run a house when

[1:33:14] Voice 9: having access to high power. So but we're not suggesting that for all access only islands,

[1:33:22] Voice 9: we're only suggesting that for where they have no hydro, and also where there's no other

[1:33:30] Voice 9: feasible workable place on the property to put those solar panels.

[1:33:35] Voice 9: So it might not be as clear as I could be in saying it to you here, but it is very clear

[1:33:41] Voice 9: we are titillating them for those recommendations.

[1:33:45] Voice 9: And that's all to really think about how we're protecting that foreshore.

[1:33:49] Voice 9: So we're making it possible for those people who really need to have that access to power, have it, but where it's not really required, where they already have hybrid power, they don't really need to put those little panels because they're not how we do set that.

[1:34:07] Voice 9: recommendation. The other thing is that we suggested that we, there are small, I'm sorry for the wording on that, I don't want to help you here.

[1:34:29] Voice 9: We include a new line under 2.158.5, where we suggest allowing existing roof structures

[1:34:44] Voice 9: up to 30 square metres, and where the staff report seems to have missed the point is they

[1:34:51] Voice 9: they didn't know the word existed. Pardon me, what was

[1:34:56] Voice 6: that? So what

[1:35:02] Voice 9: we're recommending is adding existing wooden

[1:35:05] Voice 9: structures of exemption for existing wooden structures up

[1:35:10] Voice 9: to 30 square meters. And this is particularly referring to some

[1:35:14] Voice 9: of the situation on Wise Island. And the reason that we're

[1:35:24] Voice 9: to allow an existing structure to stay, especially a small one like that, and to destroy it and

[1:35:30] Voice 9: possibly cause more violent harm by destruction than by just letting it stay. However, the

[1:35:37] Voice 9: word that the staff report missed was the word existing. So we're not suggesting exempting

[1:35:45] Voice 9: those wooden structures across the board we're only suggesting exempting existing wooden structures

[1:35:50] Voice 9: so that's an error an omission in the staff report

[1:35:57] Voice 9: um but think about

[1:36:01] Voice 9: for me can i just add something to that

[1:36:03] Voice 4: i'm just gonna ask you to wait sorry and i'll call on you

[1:36:08] Voice 4: a minute um

[1:36:09] Voice 9: just want to make sure that i captured my i have other members here who might add

[1:36:20] Voice 9: um and i i guess just sort of like just to close um the bylaw is that this is

[1:36:30] Voice 9: this proposed bylaw is the result

[1:36:36] Voice 9: And I just wanted to remind the LTC that how important the environment is, how important

[1:36:46] Voice 9: that, how sensitive that foreshore is, and that it's so important to make these good

[1:36:52] Voice 9: planning decisions now so that we don't have these issues to deal with later, and that

[1:36:58] Voice 9: we don't have to think about in our plans the needs of well-being of the land not always

[1:37:02] Voice 9: so that's it i'm happy to answer your questions

[1:37:09] Voice 4: i just want to take a moment and um

[1:37:13] Voice 4: add my thanks to the chair of the apc and all the apc members um the amount of work you guys have

[1:37:22] Voice 4: done over this term has been really impressive um we we may not always take

[1:37:28] Voice 4: all of your

[1:37:29] Voice 4: recommendations and incorporate them and then that's normal but uh regardless just i i just

[1:37:34] Voice 4: gotta say like this this apc has uh has done a prodigious amount of work and i really appreciate

[1:37:40] Voice 4: it and i appreciate you reaching out um as i know you did to the other trustees as well as myself

[1:37:46] Voice 4: because i think when we have those opportunity to have a discussion outside of a regular meeting

[1:37:51] Voice 4: it's actually really helpful for us to understand where we're coming from a lot of stuff so just

[1:37:57] Voice 4: wanted to say that you had something directly relevant to uh what she was just saying i just

[1:38:02] Voice 11: want to elaborate on the existing structures a lot of the structures our lives were built

[1:38:07] Voice 11: many many years ago prior to the bio 127 being enacted so part of the the

[1:38:14] Voice 10: theory was to capture

[1:38:16] Voice 10: to capture some of those structures to basically make them now legal

[1:38:21] Voice 11: non-conformist,

[1:38:23] Voice 11: and have them continue this violent enforcement of the problem that we've had over the last few years.

[1:38:29] Voice 11: So that was the idea behind the existing small structures. I just wanted to clarify that.

[1:38:35] Voice 11: Okay, thank you very much. Okay, questions?

[1:38:41] Voice 11: In

[1:38:54] Voice 9: terms of being

[1:38:56] Voice 12: a question, recommendation number two from the ABC was that the LBC engaged

[1:39:03] Voice 12: in a more fulsome consultation process with First Nations about the proposed by-law and

[1:39:08] Voice 12: its impact on the foreshore and waters.

[1:39:12] Voice 12: One question would be why are the referral responses from First Nations not concerning

[1:39:22] Voice 12: Including the associated islands bylaw, not in the package, whereas the referral responses vis-a-vis the

[1:39:31] Voice 4: FOMRAP application are in the island package.

[1:39:36] Voice 4: So they are summarized on page 201?

[1:39:41] Voice 11: Yeah, they're summarized, but not the whole response. The

[1:39:48] Voice 3: whole responses are not in the package.

[1:39:50] Voice 4: Yeah, understood. I don't have that answer.

[1:39:57] I'm just trying to find I can see I'll look up to see what else is there

[1:40:03] Voice 9: so we could we

[1:40:10] Voice 4: can circle back to that

[1:40:10] Voice 9: okay yeah that's

[1:40:11] Voice 2: okay uh

[1:40:12] Voice 4: and well we're going to come back to that so

[1:40:16] Voice 4: So any other questions, it would be helpful to see the whole,

[1:40:20] Voice 9: all

[1:40:21] Voice 12: the responses to the

[1:40:23] Voice 9: public hearing.

[1:40:26] Voice 9: There

[1:40:27] Voice 12: is no public hearing for the associated items.

[1:40:36] Voice 9: Yeah.

[1:40:38] Voice 9: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

[1:40:48] Voice 12: My question would be, rising out of this, is the LTC, and my understanding was that the LTC was trying to move for a more fulsome engagement with First Nations, particularly those who are directly affected, whose lands and waters might be directly affected by violence.

[1:41:13] Voice 12: and is the LTC trying to do that or is the LTC willing to settle for the traditional long-standing 30-day referral process

[1:41:29] Voice 12: where the bylaws send out to numerous First Nations and whatever they get back is what goes into the package

[1:41:36] Voice 12: and if they get nothing back we just assume that

[1:41:39] Voice 4: it's all good.

[1:41:41] Voice 4: it so i'll just i'd be happy to speak to that because uh the both this ltc uh specifically

[1:41:49] Voice 4: an island stress in a more general uh way are are absolutely uh working to uh to do a better

[1:41:57] Voice 4: job of of engagement um a law trustee govro actually three years ago now brought a a motion

[1:42:06] Voice 4: motion to uh trust council which was my pleasure to work with her on and the second there um and

[1:42:13] Voice 4: staff and we're expecting in june to actually hear about uh the next stages on formally changing our

[1:42:20] Voice 4: policy on referrals because we all recognize that the 30-day minimum from the province is

[1:42:29] Voice 4: is not particularly respectful so we will be getting a trust council wide um look at that

[1:42:36] Voice 4: policy and options we can take as as a federation um to do that in a better way in a more respectful

[1:42:44] Voice 4: way i'd say that this particular local trust committee has had um really good uh opportunities

[1:42:54] Voice 4: opportunities with uh penelope tribe chief and council in particular uh where we've gone and

[1:43:01] Voice 4: we've sat down with them we've had almost every meeting although not every meeting including today

[1:43:07] Voice 4: but we've almost every meeting we've had the liaison uh ken thomas from from penelope tribe

[1:43:14] Voice 4: here um i've had a number of uh times when outside of meetings uh having phone calls or

[1:43:23] Voice 4: emails back and forth um with those members as well and uh as i mentioned i'm going to go sit

[1:43:31] Voice 4: down with kurt tomorrow and we're going to have lunch and talk about some issues on a couple of

[1:43:35] Voice 4: the other arms um and when i look at uh even the the responses here um summarized though they may

[1:43:47] Voice 4: though who may be they're pretty clear to me um penelakid says no issues or comments regarding

[1:43:54] Voice 4: this referral uh seo says due to the nature and location we defer comments to local nations

[1:44:01] Voice 4: um those are the like geographically the two closest nations with interests on galliano so

[1:44:09] Voice 4: i should think and and uh i don't know that we've mentioned it here recently but trust council

[1:44:15] Voice 4: Council last June went and had a feast with say out at their reserve and are working on

[1:44:23] Voice 4: a formal agreement with them we're also working on an agreement with the leadership council

[1:44:30] Voice 4: so there's actually been just in this term there's been an amazing amount of progress

[1:44:35] Voice 4: in terms of the relationship building that's been happening I mean I know we're we're a

[1:44:43] Voice 4: long way from being maybe where where we ought to be and where we want to be but i'm actually if i

[1:44:49] Voice 4: look back with a little bit of hindsight we've actually come a long way and uh i think that's

[1:44:54] Voice 4: really positive uh by the same token when i hear that trust uh stresses you know at the forefront

[1:45:01] Voice 4: of this work it's kind of shocking and a little bit depressing uh just to hear that that even

[1:45:08] Voice 4: though we have we acknowledge we have tons of work to do um which doesn't mean we can't acknowledge

[1:45:14] Voice 4: you know that the the progress that has been made but um that's uh specifically back to the referral

[1:45:21] Voice 4: process um trust council has a you know it's three years into doing a really deep dive on on

[1:45:30] Voice 4: on resetting our policy.

[1:45:32] Voice 4: And a big part of that has been consulting with nations.

[1:45:37] Voice 4: How do you want to be consulted on referral?

[1:45:41] Voice 4: So thank you very much for the question.

[1:45:44] Voice 4: I appreciate it.

[1:45:45] Voice 12: So you're satisfied with the referral,

[1:45:48] Voice 12: the referral process and the responses

[1:45:52] Voice 12: that you received for this?

[1:45:54] Voice 4: For this project, I'm seeing that we did,

[1:45:59] Voice 4: we didn't get a no comment or uh or or no response from any of the nations that are

[1:46:07] Voice 4: you know geographically really close and uh i'm quite confident that if uh penelope in particular

[1:46:14] Voice 4: had issues um we would have got a phone call or ken would have said something at a meeting or

[1:46:23] Voice 4: we've got emails um and they you know no issues or comments around him this referral i think is

[1:46:30] Voice 4: specific to this referral they're not saying that everything is great in all ways but

[1:46:35] Voice 4: i'm actually quite satisfied that no issues have been raised about this this referral um that that

[1:46:42] Voice 4: concerning like in that respect was

[1:46:45] Voice 12: there any face-to-face discussion concerning this uh

[1:46:53] Voice 4: well so i'll just i'll just say that i know that there are staff connections

[1:47:00] Voice 4: um between penelaket and and island's trust staff and i'm not always uh privy to what

[1:47:09] Voice 4: especially staff to staff meetings sometimes we're sort of brief that a meeting would have

[1:47:14] Voice 4: but we don't always get you know we don't there's often not minutes if there's something

[1:47:19] Voice 4: that feels important that the local elected need to know then we do get told but if kind of if

[1:47:27] Voice 4: things are going well on those relationship buildings the staff level we just

[1:47:30] Voice 3: kind of hear

[1:47:31] Voice 3: that they're doing that if

[1:47:34] Voice 11: that makes sense

[1:47:40] Voice 9: the only

[1:47:44] Voice 13: thing i can think of i mean this is the

[1:47:45] Voice 13: summary of the first question i'm not sure um if we've missed a step or if this is just our

[1:47:52] Voice 13: standard that we wouldn't actually attend the actual responses to the staff report in this case

[1:47:58] Voice 13: possibly i'm speculating here it's possible because of some of the other decisions around

[1:48:03] Voice 13: i don't potentially the um uh you know public hearing i i i i'm just confirming that with

[1:48:10] Voice 13: uh with our staff here um but uh i can't tell you that that is the

[1:48:16] Voice 9: summary of what we heard so i

[1:48:18] Voice 9: think people will stop it

[1:48:20] Voice 6: does this uh responses receive debate as well absolutely

[1:48:25] Voice 4: absolutely and

[1:48:26] Voice 4: i wouldn't i would say that you know normally we're looking at today we're looking at the

[1:48:33] Voice 4: potential of reading the first time as amended um typically the uh typically readings kick off

[1:48:44] Voice 4: another round of of uh referrals um generally that is we try and set that up so that those

[1:48:52] Voice 4: referrals process uh are timed with um uh with public hearings if if they do take place um

[1:49:02] Voice 4: so that the local trust committee is going to receive the referral responses um you know in

[1:49:09] Voice 4: preparation for making that the final uh determination but we're not we're not there

[1:49:14] Voice 4: yet we're looking at a first reading as amended is what's being recommended today

[1:49:20] Voice 4: julian well

[1:49:21] Voice 9: now that i hear that you're considering the first reading as amended

[1:49:25] Voice 9: I'm just wondering if you would consider the notes that we've made for areas of emissions

[1:49:33] Voice 9: and the staff report because there would have been some amendments that we would have recommended

[1:49:38] Voice 9: for you to go into.

[1:49:41] Voice 9: So I'm just asking, I guess, if you would...

[1:49:45] Voice 9: We could also go into the first reading without having

[1:49:48] Voice 6: to explore the amendments.

[1:49:50] Voice 6: I'm

[1:49:51] Voice 9: not sure.

[1:49:52] Voice 9: I don't think so.

[1:49:52] Voice 9: always says i i wouldn't want you to miss uh because the staff report missed some of our

[1:49:59] Voice 9: recommendations that we think are very important and had a couple of errors i would hope that you

[1:50:05] Voice 9: would consider that uh before you do the first thing first we're going to need bylaws to work

[1:50:10] Voice 6: work i'll leave the

[1:50:12] Voice 6: key so we can make it along the way yeah

[1:50:17] Voice 6: yeah exactly

[1:50:22] Voice 4: and then and then because it is interrupt and and uh

[1:50:29] Voice 4: functionally the way the process works if we give first reading give

[1:50:33] Voice 4: request staff to provide options to amend the bylaw in fact is one of the recommendations here

[1:50:40] Voice 4: so we could we could add those in today we could have conversations with staff um

[1:50:46] Voice 4: when we next consider this we can we can have you know unfortunately planner stock bill's not able

[1:50:52] Voice 4: to be with us today um who's done all the heavy lifting up to this this point um however i know

[1:51:00] Voice 4: she'll have access to recording in the minutes and uh and um um so just to remind you that we

[1:51:08] Voice 4: don't have to get everything perfect today and um uh but really appreciate the apc's work on this

[1:51:16] Voice 4: and and i mean i read through it and you know in this staff report a number of the um

[1:51:23] Voice 4: the recommendations of of your previous were were discussed and uh and talked about

[1:51:30] Voice 4: I think there's four or more of them and you know some staff concur it and some they don't

[1:51:40] Voice 4: and they give their their rationale as well so I appreciate that any

[1:51:47] Voice 9: more questions Jennifer yeah

[1:51:51] Voice 9: so I have a question but I just wanted to preface it with a comment as a member of the ATC that

[1:51:59] Voice 9: consider this referral and this did come up um at our meeting at our first meeting

[1:52:05] Voice 9: the fact that we were being asked to consider this referral which involves

[1:52:13] Voice 9: allowing certain structures within the 7.5 step back from the city

[1:52:17] Voice 9: but that we were not provided with any information on the potential environmental impact of

[1:52:25] Voice 9: preventing the structures itemized in the referral within that setback from the sea.

[1:52:35] Voice 9: And as referenced earlier, there was no biologist on the Island's Trust staff to advise on this matter.

[1:52:43] Voice 9: And given that the bylaw affects 137 properties, and that number is actually not mentioned in the staff report,

[1:52:52] Voice 9: court, but I think it should be so that people know that this affects a considerable number

[1:52:58] Voice 9: of properties in terms of considering both the environmental and the visual or aesthetic

[1:53:04] Voice 9: impacts.

[1:53:05] Voice 9: So my question is, given in the most recent staff report, there are three directives that

[1:53:14] Voice 9: are checked off as being consistent with the trust policy statement.

[1:53:19] Voice 9: And those are coastal and marine ecosystems, which require addressing the planning for and regulation of development in coastal regions to protect natural coastal processes.

[1:53:35] Voice 9: The second directive is Coastal Areas and Marine Shorelands, which requires for addressing

[1:53:45] Voice 9: the planning for and regulation of development in coastal regions to protect natural coastal

[1:53:51] Voice 9: processes.

[1:53:53] Voice 9: I might have said that before, but I probably got the wrong wording there.

[1:53:57] Voice 9: And then there is another one on aesthetic qualities, so protection of views, scenic

[1:54:03] Voice 9: areas and distinctive features contributing to the overall visual quality and scenic values

[1:54:09] Voice 9: of the trust area.

[1:54:11] Voice 9: So those are the three directives that are determined to pertain to this particular situation.

[1:54:18] Voice 9: And they have all been checked off as being consistent.

[1:54:22] Voice 9: But my question is, where is the supporting professional opinion and the data to support

[1:54:30] Voice 9: that, that they are consistent?

[1:54:33] Voice 9: We were not provided with any environmental impact information, and I have not seen anything in any of the staff reports.

[1:54:42] Voice 9: And it's a question when you're being asked to allow for development within an area that has previously been protected.

[1:54:52] Voice 9: So that is my question.

[1:54:56] Voice 9: How is it that those three directives have been determined to be consistent and why do

[1:55:09] Voice 9: we not at least have impact information both for the LTC to have made their kind of report

[1:55:20] Voice 9: and it is reflected in our report, the lack of that information, and also for you as the

[1:55:26] Voice 9: the ltc to consider it because you're also not being provided with any environmental impacts

[1:55:33] and we heard very

[1:55:35] Voice 9: clearly the concerns of the folks on wise island and we understood those

[1:55:40] Voice 9: concerns but we're also you know charged with sort of doing due diligence on the environmental

[1:55:47] Voice 9: impact piece as well so where is that information so

[1:55:52] Voice 4: i'm just going to say a couple things um

[1:55:55] Voice 4: one in terms of the directive policies and their their effect um it's important and i know i had

[1:56:04] Voice 4: this conversation countless times looking at the draft a new draft it's important to see

[1:56:10] Voice 4: read carefully what each of these policies say um these three that you're talking about that are in

[1:56:17] Voice 4: the staff report i'll say address address the planning for and address the location and

[1:56:26] Voice 4: structures address the protection of views the that is how directive these three policies are

[1:56:34] Voice 4: um and so the simple answer is if the local trust committee determines

[1:56:43] Voice 4: that they have addressed those questions then the report uh goes off in fact i think the beginning

[1:56:51] Voice 4: of this are we yeah so our third recommended resolution is is for us to resolve that we have

[1:57:03] Voice 4: determined that they're not contrary to our variance um and so we do that by saying have

[1:57:08] Voice 4: we address these things uh so you know the short answer is that's a bit subjective now as you know

[1:57:16] Voice 4: the next part of the process is that this same checklist comes before the executive committee

[1:57:22] Voice 4: of trust council and and they do go through their own process which is similar but a little bit

[1:57:27] Voice 4: different because they they're looking at consistency with the ocp and they're looking

[1:57:33] Voice 4: looking at the directives only checklist.

[1:57:36] Voice 4: But again, when the word is addressed,

[1:57:41] Voice 4: that's achievable in a bunch of different ways,

[1:57:46] Voice 4: depending on how you want to look at that.

[1:57:49] Voice 4: So, and as to your point around environmental assessments,

[1:57:52] Voice 4: I mean, you said yourself, there's 137 properties.

[1:57:57] Voice 4: I think the amount of work, let alone expense,

[1:58:03] Voice 4: It would be to have professional environmental studies done on the potential impacts of, you know, what we're talking about is essentially solar panel array setups for 137 properties.

[1:58:21] Voice 4: properties i mean that's absolutely huge and i think if if islands trust was to do that thing

[1:58:28] Voice 4: that sort of thing in-house uh our budget would be considerably more if we were doing that type

[1:58:41] Voice 4: of deep work on on every you know on every property in a project like this that would be

[1:58:48] Voice 4: financially huge impacts uh similarly you know theoretically the local trust committee could

[1:58:56] Voice 4: go out and say to each of these property owners you know hire a professional and do this work

[1:59:02] Voice 4: to show that your solar panel uh are not going to have a deleterious uh or you know assess what the

[1:59:10] Voice 4: the environmental uh impacts are going to be either way it's a huge amount of money it's a

[1:59:16] Voice 4: huge amount of work um and and there are times where i think you know a certain amount of

[1:59:23] Voice 4: pragmatism is is necessary here yeah

[1:59:26] Voice 9: that's not at all what i'm using

[1:59:28] Voice 4: i know what i'm just going

[1:59:30] Voice 4: to go to trustee maybe so

[1:59:32] Voice 7: i think the reality of this project was most of these solar arrays

[1:59:37] Voice 7: already exist and so um we're playing you know we're doing a huge amount of catch-up here um

[1:59:45] Voice 7: So I think, you know, I think your question is certainly a little fuzzy in the sense that

[1:59:55] Voice 7: you're assuming no solar rays are on these properties at this point, of the 137.

[2:00:00] Voice 7: I don't know how many already have structures and solar arrays and the setbacks, but I would

[2:00:05] Voice 7: say it's considerable.

[2:00:06] Voice 7: It already exists.

[2:00:08] Voice 7: So, you know, at some point you have to deal with the reality.

[2:00:15] Voice 9: Well, to begin with, no, I'm not assuming that at all, because we were informed during

[2:00:21] Voice 9: the whole APC discussion process that we got, particularly with Y-bond.

[2:00:27] Voice 9: There were many, well, some, we didn't have a count.

[2:00:31] Voice 9: Solar panels are really within the setback,

[2:00:33] Voice 9: but there were also other structures.

[2:00:35] Voice 9: We're not just talking about solar panels.

[2:00:37] Voice 9: We're talking

[2:00:38] Voice 9: about state or some other wall place.

[2:00:40] Voice 9: So we were well aware that those already exist

[2:00:42] Voice 9: and that this all changed light as a result of

[2:00:45] Voice 9: bylaw enforcement actions on those non-compliant structures.

[2:00:50] Voice 9: So well aware of that.

[2:00:52] Voice 9: Back to Tim's point, I was not at all suggesting that

[2:00:57] Voice 9: an environmental assessment would be done on each property it's just that we were provided with

[2:01:01] Voice 9: no information whatsoever about what the general risks even might be of allowing more development

[2:01:10] Voice 9: within the 7.5 step back that was my only question and i would think that that should have had to be

[2:01:19] Voice 9: considered to say i understand your point about the dress that address needs to be surely backed

[2:01:29] Voice 9: up with some consideration and some information so well

[2:01:34] Voice 4: certainly and i mean i think one of the

[2:01:36] Voice 4: ways to look at that is what are what are we talking about permitting within the setback

[2:01:43] Voice 4: we're not opening the door for anything goes within the setback we're actually making really

[2:01:48] Voice 4: specific allowances for certain certain things only within the setback so that would be my answer

[2:01:56] Voice 4: if i

[2:01:58] Voice 6: may that was my feeling with the directives only it's been addressed

[2:02:01] Voice 9: are we ever going to be

[2:02:03] Voice 9: coupled with any structure in this in uh before sure no but we're going to try to have best

[2:02:09] Voice 9: practices and guidelines

[2:02:10] Voice 6: around that and that was i believe um one of the outcomes uh the scope of

[2:02:15] Voice 6: this project best practices okay so

[2:02:26] Voice 4: any further questions on this um just as a just reiterating

[2:02:33] Voice 4: this is this is not the end of this process we're not going in public hearing today

[2:02:37] Voice 4: there'll be lots more opportunity to talk about this project anyone else okay i'm not seeing any

[2:02:50] Voice 4: I'm going to recommend that we take a short recess and then we'll come back and go into the public hearing.

[2:02:59] Voice 4: So let's come back

[2:03:02] Voice 11: at quarter past three.

[2:15:06] Voice 4: All right. So open the public hearing for proposed bylaw number 297.

[2:15:15] Voice 4: I want to welcome everyone in attendance, acknowledge that we're meeting in the territory of Coast Salish First Nations and, in particular, the Nellie Cotrod.

[2:15:27] Voice 4: I'm Mr. Peterson. I'm the chair of the Galeano Island Local Trust Committee.

[2:15:34] Voice 4: And, as you know, we have local trustees, Lisa Govro and Ben Maberly here.

[2:15:40] Voice 4: here um and staff we have our online our minute taker reporter lisa millard doing her amazing

[2:15:49] Voice 4: work as always and regional planning manager stores are with us today and this public hearing

[2:15:59] Voice 4: is being convened uh person to section 465 of the local government act in order to consider

[2:16:07] Voice 4: the following proposed by-law.

[2:16:09] Voice 4: Proposed by-law number 297,

[2:16:12] Voice 4: cited as Galliano Island Land Use By-law number 127, 1999.

[2:16:17] Voice 4: Amendment number three, 2024.

[2:16:21] Voice 4: All persons who believe that their interest in property

[2:16:24] Voice 4: is affected by the proposed by-law

[2:16:26] Voice 4: will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard

[2:16:30] Voice 4: or to present written submissions

[2:16:32] Voice 4: respecting matters contained in the proposed by-law.

[2:16:37] Voice 4: those wishing to speak should commence their presentation by clearly stating their name and

[2:16:42] Voice 4: address members of the local trust committee may if they wish ask questions of you following your

[2:16:47] Voice 4: presentation however the main function of the local trust committee members is to listen to

[2:16:52] Voice 4: the views of the public it is not the function of committee members to debate the merits

[2:16:57] Voice 4: of the proposed bylaw with individual citizens everyone will be given a reasonable opportunity

[2:17:04] Voice 4: to be heard and none should feel discouraged

[2:17:06] Voice 4: from presenting his or her views.

[2:17:09] Voice 4: In considering the proposed bylaws,

[2:17:12] Voice 4: the Local Trust Committee has received documents

[2:17:14] Voice 4: which may influence its decision.

[2:17:16] Voice 4: These documents are available for review

[2:17:19] Voice 4: during this hearing on our website

[2:17:22] Voice 4: and as indicated in the public hearing notice.

[2:17:25] Voice 4: We do have the public hearing binder here,

[2:17:27] Voice 4: blue binder in case anyone wants to look at it.

[2:17:30] Voice 4: um we will ask actually what we'll do is just one of you want to take the

[2:17:38] Voice 4: speakers list as we get going because we are required to uh record who is speaking

[2:17:49] Voice 4: and any person who wishes to permit present a written submission to the local trust committee

[2:17:54] Voice 4: may do so and all written submissions must be received by the local trust committee

[2:18:00] Voice 4: before the close of this hearing we're only opportunity to comment on the proposed bylaw

[2:18:05] Voice 4: as during this hearing as members of the local trust committee may not receive further submissions

[2:18:10] Voice 4: after the close of the hearing after this public hearing has concluded the local trust committee

[2:18:16] Voice 4: may without further notice make whatever decision it be improper

[2:18:20] Voice 3: with respect to the bylaw

[2:18:22] Voice 3: that is the subject of this public hearing uh so a region planning manager uh storitzer will

[2:18:31] Voice 3: now summarize the public hearing notice key points of the bylaw and referral agency responses over to

[2:18:38] Voice 3: you thank

[2:18:39] Voice 9: you um

[2:18:40] Voice 13: at the risk of repetition here but here we go a copy of the notice was posted

[2:18:45] Voice 13: on island's press website and social

[2:18:47] Voice 9: media platform in braids with the galliano island

[2:18:49] Voice 9: and Public Notification By-law number 299. It was also inserted in May 2026 edition of the ACTIV page as per the Welfare Trust Committee's standardization.

[2:19:01] Voice 9: The copy of the Complete Public Hearing Binder, which is also circulated for right here, is available during this public hearing and it is located on the Biowaste Trust website under our own planning,

[2:19:17] Voice 9: The purpose of the bylaw, number 297, is to amend the Gallagher National Island Land Use Bylaw,

[2:19:24] Voice 13: number 127, to rezone the subject property of the Rural 2 Zone to a site-specific Rural 2 Zone, Rural 2A,

[2:19:33] Voice 13: A, in order to permit the following additional uses,

[2:19:37] Voice 9: contractor workshop, contractor yard, storage and sale of gravel to soil and aggregates, sawmill milling, training and manufacturing of living materials, and cidery and winery production,

[2:19:51] Voice 13: storage and sales.

[2:19:52] Voice 13: proposed by the law number 297 also includes the following regulations for the proposed uses

[2:19:59] Voice 13: including building structure height restrictions and the landscapes community parking and sign

[2:20:04] Voice 13: requirements as a condition for the galliano island local trust committee to consider adoption

[2:20:12] Voice 13: of bylaw 297 the applicant must register on title of the covenant under section 219

[2:20:20] Voice 13: of the land title

[2:20:22] Voice 9: act and restrictions

[2:20:23] Voice 9: for

[2:20:25] Voice 13: the purposes uses and proposed uses sorry and

[2:20:28] Voice 13: recommendations from a water management plan the proposed

[2:20:33] Voice 9: bylaw was referred to ministry of housing

[2:20:35] Voice 9: municipal affairs ministry of water and land and resource stewardship right there in the area of

[2:20:40] Voice 9: protection regulation department within that ministry ministry of public safety and solicitor

[2:20:47] Voice 9: for general

[2:20:47] Voice 13: and licensing branch,

[2:20:50] Voice 13: the BC Assessment Authority,

[2:20:52] Voice 13: the BC Hydro and Power Authority,

[2:20:55] Voice 13: Capital Regional District,

[2:20:58] Voice 9: Building Inspection and Water Infrastructure,

[2:21:00] Voice 9: and Infrastructure, Water and Services,

[2:21:03] Voice 9: the Stix-Alliston Water,

[2:21:05] Voice 9: Maine, Salt Spring, and Thetis Island

[2:21:09] Voice 9: Local Trust Communities for comment.

[2:21:11] Voice 9: It was also referred to the Cowichan Tribes,

[2:21:14] Voice 9: the Walt First Nation, Lai Aksin First Nation,

[2:21:17] Voice 9: Pankuchin First Nation,

[2:21:19] Voice 9: Inalakit Triad,

[2:21:20] Voice 9: Tamiyamu First Nation,

[2:21:22] Voice 9: Tsunemah First Nation,

[2:21:27] Voice 13: Tsimus?

[2:21:32] Voice 2: Tsemenes?

[2:21:33] Voice 9: What?

[2:21:33] Voice 9: Tsemenes.

[2:21:34] Voice 9: Tsemenes, yeah.

[2:21:35] Voice 9: Tsemenes?

[2:21:36] Voice 9: Okay, I can see.

[2:21:37] Voice 9: The Tupacet,

[2:21:38] Voice 9: or the Kalachin First Nation,

[2:21:39] Voice 9: Sargut First Nation,

[2:21:41] Voice 9: Seau First Nation,

[2:21:42] Voice 9: Tsawwassen First Nation,

[2:21:44] Voice 9: Saipan First Nation,

[2:21:45] Voice 9: the Los Angeles Leadership Council,

[2:21:47] Voice 9: the Council, sorry, the Coast Salish Peoples of Galleon Society and Georgian family,

[2:21:53] Voice 9: Jeanine, Georgian, the Comet, I apologize on that, but that's it.

[2:21:58] Voice 9: And to just summarize pretty well, the comments received, so in general,

[2:22:06] Voice 9: so we've got similar responses from both the Papachian First Nation and the Set First Nation to gossip.

[2:22:12] Voice 9: We generally prefer First Nations with traditional territory across this area,

[2:22:16] Voice 9: action. First Nation identified greater interest

[2:22:21] Voice 13: in the future

[2:22:22] Voice 13: routine, the right to revise this assessment, however, this

[2:22:25] Voice 13: time to defer to any nations whose title are affected. This

[2:22:30] Voice 13: was the first nation responded with, we have no concerns

[2:22:33] Voice 13: regarding this time. However, we do request all copies of the

[2:22:36] Voice 13: terminal for final reports produced for this project. The

[2:22:47] Voice 9: And the water, water, land and stewardship ministry provided a comment related to this

[2:22:52] Voice 9: but recommended the riparian development from an area and fact sheet be updated to one of

[2:22:57] Voice 9: the new provincial framework.

[2:23:03] Voice 9: The island health had no objections provided, provided a water system operating from day

[2:23:09] Voice 9: 15 from this office as per the requirements under the act if dwellings are being serviced

[2:23:14] Voice 9: by a common water system

[2:23:15] Voice 13: and that all structures must be serviced by sewerage

[2:23:19] Voice 9: systems constructed

[2:23:20] Voice 9: in accordance with the sewage system regulation. We had comments from all three of the LPCs that

[2:23:27] Voice 9: were referred, Sultra, Maine and Enos saying they're accessible and uninfected. So hopefully

[2:23:33] Voice 13: that wasn't too much detail

[2:23:33] Voice 9: for everybody, too fast,

[2:23:35] Voice 9: but that's all the

[2:23:36] Voice 13: way we started recording.

[2:23:39] All right, I

[2:23:42] Voice 9: think that, oh

[2:23:42] Voice 13: I think maybe one other thing that I meant to speak to as well is

[2:23:46] Voice 13: just a number of public submissions that have been received so as of

[2:23:49] Voice 9: this state we have 301

[2:23:51] Voice 9: of this mission and i'm not sure if i can tell you what the problem is okay yeah so and that was

[2:24:05] Voice 4: okay thank you all right so uh and i will note that the local trust committee

[2:24:14] Voice 4: many did receive a couple of late emails yesterday,

[2:24:22] Voice 4: I believe.

[2:24:23] Voice 4: And so we have, I believe we've all read those

[2:24:28] Voice 4: and considered those if,

[2:24:30] Voice 4: so that's just so members of the public

[2:24:33] Voice 4: that might have written in yesterday,

[2:24:35] Voice 4: know that if they weren't received

[2:24:38] Voice 4: by the submission deadline,

[2:24:40] Voice 4: they could, if you have them in writing,

[2:24:42] Voice 4: they can still be submitted

[2:24:43] Voice 4: before the close of the hearing today.

[2:24:48] Voice 4: So yeah, submissions can be made at any time

[2:24:50] Voice 4: during till and until the close.

[2:24:53] Voice 4: If there are further submissions,

[2:24:55] Voice 4: we'll pause prior to closing to ensure

[2:24:58] Voice 4: that the trustee may have time to read them.

[2:25:02] Voice 4: So I invite members of the public who wish to speak

[2:25:05] Voice 4: to raise your hand.

[2:25:09] Voice 4: Where's the, you guys got the list over there?

[2:25:12] Voice 4: so i'll just get you that i'll get you to just pass that around and i'll just um

[2:25:17] Voice 4: and then we'll just i'll start with uh you two have your name on it right now right

[2:25:24] Voice 4: not for this one okay so it's just if you're going to speak at the public

[2:25:29] Voice 4: hearing then we need to record your name um so if you put down your name

[2:25:38] Voice 4: then i'd ask you to raise your hand and then i'll call on you one at a time

[2:25:42] Voice 4: you know remind you to um be as uh uh succinct and to the point as possible and um to use uh

[2:25:53] Voice 4: respectful language of course and speak to the issues here not uh personalities and um

[2:26:00] Voice 4: yeah i think that's it so so you have you're on the list so if you can state your name and

[2:26:08] Voice 4: your address and uh then you see that i'm going to use a timer uh just be interested in keeping

[2:26:13] Voice 4: us moving ahead if you run out of time you'll have another opportunity to speak sorry

[2:26:19] Voice 9: how many

[2:26:20] Voice 9: minutes do i have

[2:26:20] Voice 4: i'm going to start everyone with three minutes and then we'll move along

[2:26:25] Voice 4: we'll move through and there's if you need to speak again we'll give you an opportunity

[2:26:38] Voice 9: down the property will be down below the founder's property. First of all, I'm new to this process. I

[2:26:47] Voice 9: apologize for talking earlier. I was in the same process. So to get to the process, I just found out

[2:26:58] Voice 9: an hour ago, an hour and a half ago, about this meeting this afternoon.

[2:27:03] Voice 9: from Vancouver, we typically have signage. Once you send the letter in, you get a reply and you are notified that there are changes in the meeting.

[2:27:14] Voice 9: I was not aware that I had to wander on the website to find the information, so I'm ill prepared. I'm sorry.

[2:27:24] Voice 9: Originally, I didn't think of all the concerns about the development.

[2:27:29] Voice 9: It's only when I heard about the large events and I realized the impact that

[2:27:39] Voice 9: the noise and the water consumption would have on our property.

[2:27:45] Voice 9: The noise, when you think of having large gatherings over 100 people,

[2:27:52] Voice 9: Usually there's going to be music, there's going to be dancing, pounding.

[2:27:58] Voice 9: We hear, we're in East Vancouver sometimes, and then we can hear the music from this place.

[2:28:06] Voice 9: So noise travels and we come here for the peace and quiet of nature.

[2:28:11] Voice 9: So we're concerned with the noise coming down with the large group.

[2:28:18] Voice 9: Six events a year, those events are going to be in the summer, they're not going to be in the winter when buildings aren't closed with the 100 people, over 100 people.

[2:28:27] Voice 9: So again, it's a quiet time of summer for the monetary properties, and it's going to be large parties on the streets.

[2:28:39] Voice 9: people, it's people that are going to be drinking, they're going to be using the washroom, they're

[2:28:45] Voice 9: going to be drawing on the water even more. You're looking at more dishes, you're looking

[2:28:50] Voice 9: at more water consumption, again in the summer months where we have chances of going down

[2:28:56] Voice 9: to restriction. So the concern is noise and water consumption and drawing on it. We're

[2:29:06] Voice 9: I'm on Styx allicin on the water well, and so there is a concern for our quality of drawing

[2:29:18] Voice 9: from the same metal on our well.

[2:29:22] Voice 9: I just want to also refer to Mary's, when she went down the list, was there a comment

[2:29:28] Voice 9: about the 6,000 being notified about this because I'm a chair and we didn't get anything.

[2:29:38] Voice 9: So I'm not sure what I was, was I supposed to get some sort of notification?

[2:29:47] Voice 9: Because I did not receive anything from the CRE.

[2:29:53] Voice 9: So I think that should be also notified.

[2:29:56] Voice 9: We are all neighbors.

[2:29:58] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:30:00] Voice 9: don't want to stop on the development of the property for my neighbor but at the same time

[2:30:05] Voice 9: there's going to be some concern for the other people living in the area so noise and water

[2:30:11] Voice 9: we come here for a reason and over 100 people lisa we're going to hear them so that's it

[2:30:26] Voice 9: okay thank you next

[2:30:33] Voice 4: i have jennifer yeah

[2:30:37] Voice 9: just to thank

[2:30:38] Voice 4: you state your name and address

[2:30:42] Voice 9: um i support what tim clove has said and i also want to say that since it has been six months

[2:30:50] Voice 9: since this application last appeared on the ltc agenda chances are that many people will not be

[2:30:58] Voice 9: aware that this application has reached the point where after the public hearing no further community

[2:31:05] Voice 9: community input can be received. And

[2:31:07] Voice 1: there was not an

[2:31:08] Voice 9: LTC meeting in March, April and May. So, you know, we're at the beginning of summer. And I know a lot of people in our neighborhood are not aware that this is going on today. And, you know, I

[2:31:23] Voice 9: think that really presents an adequate opportunity for people to really ask questions and hear the views of other people and to

[2:31:36] Voice 9: generally engage in a thoughtful informed process and it's nothing personal to leave palmberg and

[2:31:45] Voice 9: certainly certainly understand people putting proposals forward for their property

[2:31:50] Voice 9: but i think again the fact that um there will be significant water consumption on that property

[2:31:58] Voice 9: We know that last year a cidery and other businesses on the Seachell Coast had to stop

[2:32:08] Voice 9: operation because of drought.

[2:32:10] Voice 9: We're already in level four provincial drought here.

[2:32:15] Voice 9: We don't know how much worse it's going to get.

[2:32:17] Voice 9: And it's a real concern for all of us who rely on the aquifer water.

[2:32:23] Voice 9: And this will be a significant amount of water usage in that area combined with, as I mentioned

[2:32:31] Voice 9: before, the special events, which again, Mary, you didn't mention when you went through the

[2:32:38] Voice 9: list of uses that this property will be used for very large public events.

[2:32:46] Voice 9: That will be part of the, and you didn't mention that when you just, you know, did

[2:32:52] Voice 9: the summary of the application and i know that many people are not aware of that aspect of this

[2:33:02] Voice 9: so i really don't feel that this public hearing should proceed i think that in the interest of

[2:33:11] Voice 9: really informing people about all the implications of this actual um proposed land use that i think

[2:33:20] Voice 9: people really need a chance to have more discussion about it and to get better information

[2:33:26] Voice 9: from our ltc and from the planner thank you thank

[2:33:33] Voice 11: you uh

[2:33:36] Voice 3: part state

[2:33:42] Voice 11: your name and address please

[2:33:43] Voice 11: this

[2:33:44] Voice 12: might be an opportunity to comment on the uh on the issue of first nations

[2:33:56] Voice 12: consultation and the way the way consultation um uh statements are are reported by in the plan in

[2:34:08] Voice 12: the in the staff reports because here in the case of this uh application the first nations um the

[2:34:16] Voice 12: letters are are provided probably because it's going to public hearing uh whereas for the

[2:34:24] Voice 12: the associate the staff summaries and the the staff summaries i submit are really quite quite

[2:34:38] Voice 12: inadequate um they're very truncated so uh you know the the first two on page uh 66

[2:34:50] Voice 12: the Puckett-Cheen First Nation, for example,

[2:34:54] Voice 12: who generally defer to the First Nation

[2:34:56] Voice 12: if there's no territory, for instance, area.

[2:34:59] Voice 12: They're deferring to any nation

[2:35:00] Voice 12: whose title and government authorities

[2:35:02] Voice 12: are directly affected.

[2:35:06] Voice 12: The whole referral response actually goes much,

[2:35:08] Voice 12: much beyond that.

[2:35:10] Voice 12: And I think it should be captured

[2:35:12] Voice 12: in these planner summaries of First Nation's comment.

[2:35:16] Voice 12: comment, for example, the Pakachin First Nation says that, I would characterize this as a

[2:35:29] Voice 12: level three rights area for Pakachin First Nation. Level three identifies that Pakachin

[2:35:34] Voice 12: First Nation had harvesting trade and nation to nation relations, but not necessarily sole

[2:35:40] Voice 12: title and governing authorities, which would be Pakachin's First Nation's highest section

[2:35:46] Voice 12: section 35 interests and we require high end of the height of spectrum consultation however

[2:35:53] Voice 12: section level three is still considered to be a very high consultation matter that it

[2:35:58] Voice 12: presented it represents our inter-community cultural activities and shared tribal and

[2:36:03] Voice 12: harvesting areas with our upper neanderthal relevance despite this you would generally

[2:36:09] Voice 12: defer the first nation's traditional territory points this area so i submit that the summary

[2:36:17] Voice 12: That case that pulls the question, the issue of we will generally defer to First Nation.

[2:36:25] Voice 12: It's not an adequate summary on the First Nation's approach to this referral.

[2:36:32] Voice 12: And I may comment further on this application later.

[2:36:37] Voice 12: later, but I think that it's an important matter for the trust

[2:36:42] Voice 12: staff to be more full in

[2:36:46] Voice 9: your summaries of First Nation's

[2:36:52] Voice 9: Inquiry.

[2:36:56] Voice 9: Derek.

[2:36:58] Hi.

[2:36:59] Derek DuBois, Retreat Label, Retreat Department.

[2:37:04] So my concern is with

[2:37:07] Voice 10: what's being asked for

[2:37:11] Voice 10: is to convert essentially this that's

[2:37:14] Voice 11: eventual to a commercial program and my concern is with the

[2:37:19] cider and that is that and i think it can be dealt with by limiting um and the business plan calls

[2:37:28] Voice 11: this time for two employees including mr pumper himself and one other and it says there will be

[2:37:35] Voice 11: about a five-year period if he wants to expand beyond that and grow

[2:37:41] Voice 10: bigger then another

[2:37:42] Voice 10: application can be made down so what could be done is the salary could be put in with a limitation

[2:37:51] Voice 10: that there will only be two maybe three employees at most um and this is because

[2:37:57] Voice 11: i'm concerned that

[2:37:59] Voice 11: What raised the flag is this 100 people could be.

[2:38:04] Voice 11: And this is a different kind of business plan that I have thought of that projects out five, 10 years.

[2:38:13] So what would happen, though, if you just give it a blank?

[2:38:17] And with all due respect, because I think it's clearly a number here, plus it streams a thing.

[2:38:23] If it goes awry and it can't be developed properly,

[2:38:27] Voice 11: what's happened is that the land has become much more valuable to somebody to come in and develop a cidery into this commercial engine that then would have hundreds of people.

[2:38:40] Voice 11: And that's my concern is that that would happen.

[2:38:44] Not that what's, I think, what Mr. Palmer has planned is a problem, particularly as he said for the first five years.

[2:38:52] But if you limit it to, as I said, he can have a salary that employs no more than three people.

[2:38:59] And there might be some other limitations, and maybe he can suggest some.

[2:39:05] Voice 10: Because I don't think there

[2:39:07] Voice 11: would be anything that would stop him in that period that he suggested of about five years when he gets out and running.

[2:39:14] Voice 11: The other part is, has to do with the importance, because right now you can actually run a site

[2:39:21] Voice 11: or you can sell things from your own property, but it's the commercialization of breaking

[2:39:30] it in that needs to put limits on it.

[2:39:34] And that's all I'm saying, to put some new limits on it so it doesn't go wild and it's

[2:39:40] staged properly.

[2:39:42] I think,

[2:39:43] Voice 11: anyway, that's my answer.

[2:39:48] Voice 9: Thank you.

[2:39:50] Voice 9: Crossman.

[2:39:50] Voice 9: You can cross my name if you'd like to.

[2:39:53] Voice 3: Who's in attendance?

[2:39:57] Voice 5: Do we also

[2:39:58] Voice 5: have any attendants?

[2:39:59] Voice 4: Yeah, okay.

[2:40:01] Voice 5: Lee, hold on.

[2:40:02] Voice 5: Yeah.

[2:40:02] Voice 5: I just want to-

[2:40:04] Voice 5: State your name, please.

[2:40:04] Voice 5: Oh, sorry.

[2:40:05] Voice 5: Lee Palmberg, 479 Montague Park Road.

[2:40:08] Voice 5: I just wanted to kind of comment on a couple of their comments.

[2:40:12] Voice 5: this um firstly i think this the section 219 covenant these are restrictions things that i

[2:40:19] Voice 5: will not

[2:40:20] Voice 5: be allowed to do with that property but i'm not inherently allowed to do adversely the

[2:40:27] Voice 5: things that are not listed on that covenant so it doesn't say i'm not allowed to produce chemical

[2:40:32] Voice 5: weapons i'm not allowed to produce chemical weapons you see my point um just that there

[2:40:39] Voice 5: are many things that are not on the cabinet that I'm not allowed to do. So it's highly

[2:40:44] Voice 5: unlikely that there's going to be six events or 800 people each summer. And then my other

[2:40:52] Voice 5: point is about water. I know water is a major issue on the island. You know, I think we're

[2:40:57] Voice 5: actually really lucky in that neighborhood that there is a lot of water, although I know,

[2:41:00] Voice 5: you know, some people don't agree. I think that, you know, the hydrogeological assessment

[2:41:06] Voice 5: assessment does show that though um but i think my hydrogeologist report shows that the vast

[2:41:15] Voice 5: majority of the water use on this project is is the agriculture which i'm already zoned to do i

[2:41:21] Voice 5: need um i need a water license to do it but i'm already zoned for that so it's sort of irrelevant

[2:41:28] Voice 5: in the application but also the numbers we went off for that report i think are grossly exaggerated

[2:41:35] Voice 5: So I did a bit of my own research, speaking to other people who operate apple orchards

[2:41:40] Voice 5: in the Gulf Islands, and the actual numbers that these people were coming up with were

[2:41:46] Voice 5: orders of magnitude lower than the numbers we have to go up with for the hydrogeological

[2:41:51] Voice 5: assessment.

[2:41:52] Voice 5: Like, I talked to Harry Burton on Salt Spring, who has an apple orchard over there, which

[2:41:56] Voice 5: is very close in size to the one that I'm going

[2:41:59] Voice 5: to be doing, and he goes through 18,000

[2:42:02] Voice 5: gallons a year of water.

[2:42:03] Voice 5: i can't remember the number off the top of my head we've got on my report but it is so many

[2:42:11] Voice 5: times more than that like it's huge but these are numbers we have to go off of for the report but

[2:42:17] Voice 5: they're not reality in reality it's actually going to be quite low so anyway i'm just trying

[2:42:22] Voice 5: needs or concerns that's all that's enough thank

[2:42:28] Voice 4: you and um uh so yeah anyone wants to speak a

[2:42:36] Voice 4: second time go ahead and please state your name yeah can you please state your name again just

[2:42:43] Voice 4: for the record thanks all right

[2:42:44] Voice 9: so that edition of the larger event six times a year was not in

[2:42:56] Voice 9: the first submission that I read and I would not be here if I'm not seeing this it's not because

[2:43:02] Voice 5: sorry because

[2:43:04] Voice 9: because um I'm a retired architect I know when you design a building you need

[2:43:12] Voice 9: you've got a big event you're gonna have to design a washroom for that amount of people

[2:43:16] Voice 9: there's this consumption of water and they send you noise and in town they would ask you that you

[2:43:23] Voice 9: you control the noise and you control everything on your site where you're on an island in nature

[2:43:31] Voice 9: and and that was something the person was in the tablet and this is what triggered my my presence

[2:43:38] Voice 9: here today and um why did you add this i

[2:43:44] Voice 4: didn't doubt it this case i'm sorry not not a question

[2:43:48] Voice 4: and answer period so

[2:43:50] Voice 9: that's my concern is that second first of all

[2:43:55] Voice 9: not having the next patient

[2:43:57] Voice 9: that that has been changed or added to the submission um that was for me it's a big one and

[2:44:04] Voice 9: then um and just finding the last minute so i'm a little bit ill prepared i'm sorry okay thank you

[2:44:13] Voice 4: anyone else

[2:44:13] Voice 4: for a second time

[2:44:15] Voice 5: yeah

[2:44:17] Voice 4: okay i'm happy to

[2:44:18] Voice 5: respond to her point there if that's okay

[2:44:20] Voice 5: i didn't add that so my rezoning still only contains these things that were in

[2:44:28] Voice 5: in the rezoning application that you read these are restrictions that they put in a covenant on

[2:44:34] Voice 5: top of the zoning so these are things i'm not allowed to do these are not things that i am

[2:44:38] Voice 5: allowed to do so i think maybe that's where you're missing the point okay

[2:44:45] Voice 4: anyone else for a second

[2:44:46] Voice 4: time speaker you would be a first-time speaker just put your name on here

[2:45:00] Voice 4: yeah this is yeah this is actually a legislative process thank you

[2:45:04] Voice 4: go ahead and state your

[2:45:04] Voice 12: name uh todd rogers on my one just further to the water you just

[2:45:08] Voice 9: i feel like the 18 000 gallon seems like a lot but really if you look at what if you go

[2:45:15] Voice 9: So the reason why I say this, I'm part of the White Diamond Water Board, the unreduced per person across Canada is 230 meters per year.

[2:45:24] That's hard to believe, but that is what it is. If you were to multiply that up, that's for one person is going to be less than 18,000 gallons or whatever it is to water apple trees on an orchard.

[2:45:42] I'm

[2:45:42] Voice 7: not saying that water is not an issue, but when you talk about those wonders of 18,000 gallons or 60,000 liters or whatever it happens to be,

[2:45:51] when you think about adding one more person or one more household, and that would be one person in the household,

[2:45:57] if you had two people, obviously it's twice the toilet

[2:45:59] Voice 13: flushes, it's twice the bath, twice the shower, twice the drink.

[2:46:04] Voice 10: But sometimes it's

[2:46:06] Voice 11: taken up, because the other thing with 18,000 gallons seems like a lot.

[2:46:10] Voice 11: So if you were to somehow grab all of the water that you use and you consume, it would be a huge amount.

[2:46:21] Voice 11: So the 18,000 gallons seems like a lot, but really, if you compare that to what a person uses just in their daily, day-to-day thing,

[2:46:31] Voice 2: that is not a lot.

[2:46:32] Voice 2: Thank

[2:46:37] Voice 3: you. Any more first-time speakers? Second-time speaker, go ahead. Please just

[2:46:43] Voice 11: state your name again.

[2:46:44] Voice 11: I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the cyber. If it wasn't for the 100, which I get, it's an X. However, it's a maximum of three employees. But also, cyber, you can't accommodate more than 20 people. So you've limited the size of this business.

[2:47:10] Voice 11: and um it's not going to affect from what i've seen so far in the business plan it's not going

[2:47:15] Voice 11: to affect anything for the next five years and give me time to to maybe grow and again i'm just

[2:47:23] Voice 11: going to do the business as recently as i'd like to come up with other limitations but so far three

[2:47:29] Voice 11: three employees, 20. You can think of others, the two or

[2:47:34] Voice 11: nothing.

[2:47:35] Voice 10: Yeah. Prevent prevent some of the first time stated

[2:47:50] Voice 8: state of address. I'm Jesse keeper. I live on Gannard Road.

[2:47:56] Voice 8: And I like cider. And I actually like the idea of creating

[2:48:02] Voice 8: create some jobs i think one of the days not trying to limit the the potential of a business

[2:48:09] Voice 8: of a guy who was born and raised here well maybe not born here but it was born born here

[2:48:14] Voice 8: rick is here i think this is a wonderful story and you know i think he's he's a guy that rather

[2:48:20] Voice 8: than think of the worst case scenario i think we should just be a little more optimistic and

[2:48:26] Voice 8: put some faith in this guy i for one trust him and i do think that uh galliano could use some

[2:48:37] Voice 8: more diversity of in the economy so that's what i'm about to say but good luck thank you

[2:48:48] Voice 4: hey thank you any other first-time speakers

[2:48:52] Voice 4: i know there's at least one more second time speaker jennifer let's say your name again

[2:49:01] Voice 9: yeah i think all due respect to to leave for um coming up with an economic opportunity for

[2:49:09] Voice 9: the island and i think you know all of us are supportive of that i think the problem is this

[2:49:15] Voice 9: is just this proposal with all the different commercial and industrial uses is a lot for

[2:49:22] Voice 9: my neighborhood to kind of get their head around and i think um a quick suggestion has been made

[2:49:30] Voice 9: and this actually came up in previous lgc meetings why is this not phase in kind of situation rather

[2:49:40] Voice 9: than all these uses being authorized at once and um i would just like to clarify that should

[2:49:49] Voice 9: Should, for example, Leith Pompard decide to sell this property and somebody else buy it?

[2:49:55] Voice 9: Are they buying it with all of this authorized uses?

[2:50:02] Voice 9: I'm not quite clear on that.

[2:50:04] Voice 9: So I guess I'll just put that out there in the ether as a question.

[2:50:09] Voice 9: But I think a good proposal has been made that would be worth the LTC considering in consultation with Leigh Comber.

[2:50:22] Voice 9: It's just some kind of phase-in approach so that a neighborhood can see how it works.

[2:50:29] Voice 9: I mean, there's going to be a certain amount of noise generated with sawmilling and manufacturing of wood products as well.

[2:50:37] Voice 9: with more traffic um but i think to expect um a very quiet neighborhood to

[2:50:47] Voice 9: accommodate all of that at once is is really a stretch and um you know with all due respect to

[2:50:55] Voice 9: you as well jesse keeper for your accomplishments on the island you don't live in this neighborhood

[2:51:01] Voice 9: and land use isn't about who the identity of the person who's conducting the or asking for the

[2:51:10] Voice 9: land use it's about just the land use and so it's not about who the person is and you know

[2:51:17] Voice 9: how great a guy they are in many other ways and nobody is trying to make this at all personal

[2:51:23] Voice 9: it's just trying to address the issues and the uses that are at hand and there are some real

[2:51:30] Voice 9: concerns here about the magnitude and the potential impact on a neighborhood thank you

[2:51:40] Voice 4: and just a reminder if anyone has any written submissions to hand them in over here before

[2:51:46] Voice 4: they close the public hearing and i'll look for any other second time speakers

[2:51:55] Voice 4: Okay. So I'm going to call three times for speakers before we close the hearing. After

[2:52:03] Voice 4: that, no further submissions can be made. I'm going to ask once for any more speakers.

[2:52:12] Voice 4: I'm

[2:52:17] Voice 3: asking a second time for any more speakers. I'm

[2:52:25] Voice 4: asking a third time for any more speakers.

[2:52:31] Voice 4: This is now the final opportunity for you to hand in a written submission to the Local

[2:52:35] Voice 4: trust committee once the hearing is closed no additional submissions will be accepted

[2:52:43] Voice 4: call three times uh so please be advised that we're now uh in the post public hearing stage

[2:52:51] Voice 4: of the legislative review of proposed bylaw 297 the galliano island local trust committee can now

[2:52:59] Voice 4: no longer receive information pertaining to the proposed bylaw however you can still submit any

[2:53:05] Voice 4: out question outstanding questions and comments directly to the planner the local trust committee

[2:53:12] Voice 4: may give further readings to the bylaw or defeat the bylaw or make minor amendments that do not

[2:53:17] Voice 4: affect the use or density without further notice or hearings um so with that closed the uh public

[2:53:30] Voice 4: curing and we'll go back to the main agenda now so reconvening the uh regular meetings uh section 11

[2:53:42] Voice 4: starting on page 14 we have the local trust committee minutes dated february 10th for adoption

[2:53:49] Voice 4: with the trustees any amendments required all right by general percent we'll adopt those

[2:53:56] Voice 4: minutes as presented um we have the

[2:54:01] Voice 3: uh record of public hearing february 10th for bylaws

[2:54:09] Voice 4: 292 and

[2:54:10] Voice 4: 293 for receipts and we have the record of the public hearing dated february 10th for bylaws 294

[2:54:18] Voice 4: and 295 for receipt we

[2:54:22] Voice 3: have the exception 26 resolutions about the meeting report i did in may

[2:54:29] Voice 3: for information

[2:54:30] Voice 4: and we have the advisory planning minutes dated may 5th may 9th may 26th and june

[2:54:38] Voice 4: 2nd 2026 for a seat and i'm just going to pause and thank the abc again for for your huge amount

[2:54:47] Voice 4: of work that's uh you guys have really put a lot into your your voluntary positions and we really

[2:54:54] Voice 4: do appreciate it uh next we've got the follow-up action list starting on page 37 i'll look to

[2:55:00] Voice 4: staff to see if there's any updates you'd like to provide at this time i think at this point

[2:55:12] Voice 4: no if you have if you have any highlights and then i'll i'll see if there's no questions

[2:55:16] Voice 4: and if not we can move on okay

[2:55:18] Voice 2: any

[2:55:20] Voice 4: questions on any of the follow-up action list items today

[2:55:22] Voice 4: okay all right then uh under correspondence we have one piece of correspondence if anyone would

[2:55:30] Voice 4: like to uh roll that piece of correspondence for your action or receiver information

[2:55:37] Voice 4: okay all right then we're in the applications and referral section starting on page 42

[2:55:44] Voice 4: two we have a referral uh from the thetis island local trust committee uh for proposed bylaw 117

[2:55:56] Voice 4: and hopefully everybody's read it but uh staff have any uh any comments that you think we

[2:56:04] Voice 4: particularly need to know on this

[2:56:06] Voice 2: okay

[2:56:08] Voice 4: um we do have a slight improvement in our setup that we

[2:56:15] Voice 4: know proposed i love it

[2:56:17] Voice 4: proposed resolutions it's right

[2:56:19] Voice 9: it's still said in

[2:56:20] Voice 9: the form that

[2:56:24] Voice 9: correct

[2:56:24] Voice 4: correct but at least we've got these uh um proposed resolutions in front of us for easy

[2:56:31] Voice 4: access makes things a little simpler so for this one um trustees any thoughts i found this

[2:56:39] I thought that was very interesting, the idea

[2:56:43] Voice 6: of the Green Shores project, because I saw people online with one. I thought it was a really neat application, but ultimately I don't think they're interested.

[2:56:52] Voice 6: I went with recommendation number one, and I'd be prepared to make that motion.

[2:56:57] Voice 7: Okay, does anybody have any thoughts? Yeah, go ahead and make a motion.

[2:57:05] Voice 6: that interests are unaffected by proposed bylaw number one

[2:57:11] Voice 6: moved

[2:57:12] Voice 4: that was seconded by trustee neighborly any discussion i'll call the question all those

[2:57:20] Voice 4: in favor motion carries that

[2:57:28] Voice 3: brings us on to we have a number of

[2:57:30] Voice 4: referrals today with four

[2:57:32] Voice 4: referrals from salt spring um on page 46 we have both bylaw 551 from salt spring

[2:57:42] Voice 4: and uh anything staff would like to highlight on this one

[2:57:45] Voice 11: no trustees

[2:57:50] Voice 3: that

[2:57:51] Voice 7: the lgc

[2:57:53] Voice 3: considers their interests unaffected by the bible okay page

[2:57:57] Voice 7: 46 is an actual yeah

[2:58:01] Voice 7: I

[2:58:02] Voice 3: move that the

[2:58:02] Voice 7: Gallium Island Local Trust Committee respond to the Salisbury Island

[2:58:05] Voice 7: Local Trust Committee that interests are not affected by proposed by-law number 551.

[2:58:10] Voice 7: Moved. Seconded. Any discussion? I'll call

[2:58:14] Voice 3: the question. All those in favor?

[2:58:15] Voice 3: Not motion carries. Next up, page 54, by-law 553.

[2:58:33] Voice 6: 552.

[2:58:35] Voice 6: 552, the OEC.

[2:58:37] Voice 6: oh

[2:58:37] Voice 3: gosh okay i'm already getting lost here page 50 552 yes yeah

[2:58:44] Voice 6: i thought this one was

[2:58:44] Voice 6: okay i move the galliano local trust committee respond to the salt spring island local trust

[2:58:53] Voice 6: committee that interests are unaffected by proposed bylaw number 552 second

[2:58:59] Voice 4: move seconded

[2:59:00] Voice 4: any further discussion call the question all those in favor

[2:59:04] Voice 3: the motion carries now we're on

[2:59:08] Voice 3: to page 54 and bylaw 553. uh anything from staff on this one i

[2:59:17] Voice 6: couldn't find any information on

[2:59:19] Voice 6: this one actually i went to the um application since but it is a tup wait what was it

[2:59:27] Voice 9: it

[2:59:27] Voice 6: was previously a tup and they're trying to now the tup is supposed to be testing zoning

[2:59:31] Voice 6: so now they're ready to do it so that's

[2:59:34] Voice 9: what this bylaw referral is about

[2:59:37] Voice 9: Right,

[2:59:41] Voice 7: and then we have some motions on the

[2:59:42] Voice 7: I move that the Galliano Iowa Local Trust Committee respond to the Salisbury

[2:59:46] Voice 7: and Iowa Local Trust Committee that interests are uninfected

[2:59:48] Voice 4: by the post 500 5x3

[2:59:51] Voice 4: Moved. Seconded by Trustee Gilbrow.

[2:59:54] Voice 4: Any further discussion? Seeing any, I'll call the question.

[2:59:58] Voice 4: All those in favor?

[3:00:00] Voice 4: And the motion carries and that brings us to page 60 for Salt Spring by-law number 554.

[3:00:13] Voice 4: Salt Spring's been busy over there, let me tell you.

[3:00:18] Voice 4: All right.

[3:00:18] Voice 6: This one is the harbour house which is already working. It's already functioning

[3:00:23] Voice 6: with Cal or in I guess and they're just expanding a little bit. They're adding a little bit more density.

[3:00:30] Voice 6: 42 units to the 55 units so it's pretty slight i think our interests are unaffected ready to make

[3:00:38] that motion all right i'm going to the galliano local trust committee to respond to the salt

[3:00:43] stream island

[3:00:44] Voice 6: local trust committee that interests are unaffected by proposed bylaw

[3:00:48] Voice 6: i'll

[3:00:49] Voice 7: second and just say it's an interesting one because it went from the tup

[3:00:53] Voice 7: p to the to the application so it's a nice um example of you know using that tup to see if

[3:01:00] Voice 7: everything's going to work and then okay the neighborhood's good everything's good that's

[3:01:04] Voice 7: that's perceived with the application so i thought it was a good way to do the process yeah

[3:01:08] Voice 11: that's

[3:01:09] Voice 7: how they're intended

[3:01:10] Voice 4: to be used yeah yeah all right uh so any further discussion i'll call

[3:01:17] Voice 4: the question then all those in favor and that motion carries that brings us to page 65 uh which

[3:01:26] Voice 4: is uh bylaw 297 um and we have a staff report in front of us anything to highlight from staff's

[3:01:38] Voice 4: point

[3:01:39] Voice 13: of view i wonder at this point i could be repeating information but we basically what

[3:01:43] Voice 13: have happened with what i described with you know public caring as well so um if you wanted to chat

[3:01:50] Voice 13: about various things that have been raised i guess that's what means for you right that's what we

[3:01:55] Voice 13: can talk about um but i maybe refrain from giving someone because i already have okay

[3:02:00] Voice 9: there he is

[3:02:03] Voice 7: uh trustee maverly yeah i think it's um we generally do this at this point because ask

[3:02:09] Voice 7: if the applicant has anything to add prior to our discussion absolutely

[3:02:13] Voice 4: uh applicant would you like

[3:02:15] Voice 4: to add anything uh at this stage or if we have any questions um no sorry nothing nothing good

[3:02:23] Voice 4: all right um trustees any questions for uh either staff or the applicant i

[3:02:31] Voice 6: have no questions i have

[3:02:33] Voice 6: a comment though i do just respond to a little bit of what i heard today that it's not it's not

[3:02:38] Voice 6: operator but whether there's the rezoning covenant work together and create a framework

[3:02:46] Voice 6: that works for the property changes um now and then 20 years in the future and i think it does

[3:02:53] Voice 6: and i agree with the staff recommendations that i'd be willing to make

[3:02:58] Voice 4: okay uh trustee maybe any comments yeah

[3:03:02] Voice 7: yeah i mean hearing from from the crowd i mean clearly

[3:03:07] Voice 7: there was some concerns about um you know the larger events i think the problem we always have

[3:03:14] Voice 7: is we tend to just you know go nuclear rather than you know than what what typically is reality

[3:03:20] Voice 7: in a small community 100 people are at a cider tasting throughout a period of day and smell a

[3:03:27] Voice 7: lot of people it's it's not even a lot of people that hear the coffee shop that's down the road i

[3:03:32] Voice 7: mean we have to we have to really keep things in perspective when we're talking about um allowing

[3:03:38] Voice 7: a business to succeed right i think this application and then if you look at the

[3:03:44] Voice 7: conditions of the government the water conditions i think we've done a good job over the three years

[3:03:48] Voice 7: of getting this to a point where um you know we can hope it succeeds

[3:03:55] Voice 7: seeds which is you know essentially what we're trying to do here is we're trying to work with

[3:04:00] Voice 7: the outland to get a successful outcome and not only for him but also for their family but for

[3:04:05] Voice 7: the community as well and so um i agree with trustee gabriel i'm willing to proceed with the

[3:04:14] Voice 7: recommendations

[3:04:15] Voice 6: i just wanted to also add to you it's uh the property about some industrial

[3:04:19] Voice 6: industrial utility area too with the substation there that's quite loud so as far as noise goes

[3:04:26] Voice 6: I'm not sure that that would be what this is planning to be much any louder or our island

[3:04:33] Voice 6: swells up from what's that 1300 people to over 6 000 people in the summer months it gets busy and

[3:04:40] Voice 6: noisy here the roads are busy well

[3:04:43] Voice 7: and the reality is is we just finished an application to rezone

[3:04:48] Voice 7: the property directly above this as industrial and so there's a sawmill running there

[3:04:54] Voice 7: three or seven other ones as well eight to five and um and i would assume that applicant is is

[3:05:03] Voice 7: um trying to achieve a um a working industrial site up there with multiple contractors

[3:05:10] Voice 7: So, yeah, I just don't see how from a noise impact, you know, milling 350 meters of wood a year is not an industrial operation, right?

[3:05:24] Voice 7: It's more of a, it's quite a bit smaller than that.

[3:05:26] Voice 7: So, yeah.

[3:05:29] Voice 7: I

[3:05:30] Voice 4: just wanted to add just a couple of comments there.

[3:05:33] Voice 4: um in terms of uh the noise uh it's my understanding that the uh capital regional

[3:05:41] Voice 4: district has um noise bylaws i'm not sure they're ever extended or not forced here but there are

[3:05:49] Voice 4: those provisions uh within the crd and um yeah i just did a quick uh back of the napkin water there

[3:05:59] Voice 4: i think someone mentioned uh 230 liters a day is the average per person that's uh 83 950 liters

[3:06:07] Voice 4: per year uh per individual is the average in canada so that has you know the 18 000 um

[3:06:15] Voice 4: the number that was talked about for the orchard is pretty minimal in comparison um also noting

[3:06:22] Voice 4: noting that the applicant will be having to get a water license

[3:06:26] Voice 4: when it comes to Liquor Control Board.

[3:06:30] Voice 4: There's a number of licensing considerations there.

[3:06:34] Voice 4: And there was one piece I found quite interesting

[3:06:36] Voice 4: in the Ministry of Water, Land and Resource Stewardship,

[3:06:40] Voice 4: which was a recommendation that the Red Carrier Development Permit Area

[3:06:44] Voice 4: and fact sheet be updated to align with the new provincial framework.

[3:06:48] Voice 4: now that's not uh in any way i don't i don't see that in any way as affecting this application but

[3:06:54] Voice 4: i think that is something that um uh that local trust committee should uh take note of and um

[3:07:01] Voice 4: that staff should make a note of because that's a recommendation from that ministry that's probably

[3:07:07] Voice 4: something that should at least be proposed as a potential project for the local trust committee

[3:07:14] Voice 4: if if the ministry is saying that now that we recommend they recommend we do that it's possible

[3:07:22] Voice 4: that they will more strongly recommend that in the future or perhaps even require that

[3:07:28] Voice 4: as as as a condition in the future so it should be on our radar as as work that needs to be looked

[3:07:35] Voice 4: at resourcing in the future uh and other than that uh that's the comments i wanted to make

[3:07:42] Voice 4: yes just

[3:07:44] Voice 7: one last one in regards to consultation um you know we did hear back from numerous nations

[3:07:51] Voice 7: um and while they're um you know a lot of them stated it was level three which you expect um

[3:07:59] Voice 7: it is interesting that we did hear back from the jurors and families

[3:08:02] Voice 7: with janine uh the george's family large first nation family that's been here for

[3:08:07] Voice 7: before canada was formed um they did support this application and a lot of their partners

[3:08:14] Voice 7: that live on this island as well so um it was good to see that all right

[3:08:22] Voice 6: I move the Galliano Local Trust Committee, bylaw 297, cited as the Galliano-Landis bylaw, number 27, 1999,

[3:08:34] Voice 6: amendment number 3, 2004, be read a second time.

[3:08:39] Voice 4: I'll second the motion.

[3:08:40] Voice 4: Seconded.

[3:08:41] Voice 4: Any discussion?

[3:08:42] Voice 4: I'll call the question.

[3:08:44] Voice 7: All those in favor?

[3:08:45] Voice 7: The motion carries.

[3:08:46] Voice 7: I move that the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee bylaw number 297, cited as Galliano Island Land Use Bylaw number 127, 1999, amendment number 3, 2024, be read a third time.

[3:08:59] Voice 2: Second.

[3:09:00] Voice 7: Move,

[3:09:00] Voice 4: seconded. Any discussion? Call the question. All those in favor? Motion carries.

[3:09:06] Voice 6: I move the Galliano Local Trust Committee to vote bylaw 297 be forwarded to the Secretary of the Island's Trust for executive committee approval.

[3:09:15] Voice 4: i'll second the motion a little bit seconded any further discussion

[3:09:19] Voice 4: i will call the question all those in favor and that motion carries

[3:09:29] Voice 4: all right um next up uh starting on page 101 you have a subdivision patient covenant discharge

[3:09:41] Voice 4: staff report uh was it page 101 anything from staff on this site today

[3:09:48] Voice 9: a group call for revenue. So this request to discharge a section 219. CB 253 501, which is

[3:09:59] Voice 9: registered on parcel prior to finance the address on Gardner Road. In addition to support our staff

[3:10:08] Voice 9: is the covenant condition only retains the parent parcel and not the one that is discharged.

[3:10:23] Voice 4: Okay, trustees, is the, well, I guess is the applicant with us today?

[3:10:29] Voice 4: No.

[3:10:29] Voice 4: Trustees, any questions, comments?

[3:10:34] Voice 6: Not contentious at all.

[3:10:36] Voice 6: I'm going to make the motion.

[3:10:37] Voice 4: Pretty straightforward.

[3:10:38] Voice 4: Go ahead.

[3:10:39] Voice 6: Find it.

[3:10:40] Voice 6: Here we go.

[3:10:40] Voice 6: I know the Galliano Local Trust Committee accepts the discharge of the Section 209 Covenant,

[3:10:49] Voice 6: CDQ 533501, from Lot A, on Plan 50163,

[3:10:56] Voice 6: designates the Chair of the Galliano Local Trust Committee to sign the discharge of the Covenant.

[3:11:02] Voice 4: Second the motion.

[3:11:03] Voice 4: All right, any further discussion?

[3:11:07] Voice 4: I'll call the question.

[3:11:08] Voice 4: All those in favor?

[3:11:10] Voice 4: And that carries.

[3:11:12] Voice 4: Okay, next up on page 178, we have a development permit application, and I'll leave this up.

[3:11:24] Voice 4: I see Planner Belcher joined us online.

[3:11:26] Voice 4: Over to you, sir.

[3:11:28] Voice 1: Thank you.

[3:11:30] Voice 1: Yes, this is a new development permit amendment application for 18585 Poirier Pass Road, which is the location of the Pink Terranium restaurant.

[3:11:43] Voice 1: So the application was submitted to add a container kitchen to the existing development permit within the commercial and industrial form and character development permit area.

[3:11:54] Voice 1: So the new container kitchen addition to the property complies with all of the development permit area six guidelines outlined in the official community plan.

[3:12:04] Voice 1: land and the container kitchen location would involve no new land clearing and would be

[3:12:10] Voice 1: sited behind the commercial restaurant building.

[3:12:14] Voice 1: So staff consider that the proposal is consistent with the development permit area guidelines

[3:12:19] Voice 1: for development within the DPA and the development of the property.

[3:12:24] Voice 1: And given that the development of the property following issuance of the 2022 development

[3:12:29] Voice 1: development permit has been consistent with the terms

[3:12:33] Voice 1: and conditions and provisions of the 2022 permit.

[3:12:39] Voice 1: The staff recommendation is that the Galliano Island

[3:12:43] Voice 1: Local Trust Committee approve issuance

[3:12:45] Voice 1: of development permit amendment PLDP-2026-0147.

[3:12:52] Voice 1: Thank you.

[3:12:53] Voice 1: do

[3:12:55] Voice 4: you have anything to add today no no uh

[3:12:59] Voice 3: trustees

[3:12:59] Voice 4: questions staff or applicants here

[3:13:06] Voice 7: um comments um questions first comments however you like go ahead uh just the question on um

[3:13:15] Voice 7: um sir how does this differ now from what the picturing is now to what it will um to what

[3:13:21] Voice 7: what the plan is well initially in our in our original

[3:13:24] Voice 8: design we were planning on putting in

[3:13:26] Voice 8: full commercial kitchen inside the building and for a couple reasons uh one just the spatial

[3:13:33] Voice 8: considerations there's not a whole lot of seating in there and the other was the fact that we're

[3:13:38] Voice 8: restoring what is probably the closest we have to a historical building on galleon other than

[3:13:44] Voice 8: bell house in i i didn't really want to do like full-on cooking inside the building just to

[3:13:50] Voice 8: preserve it um so this container is basically a kitchen in a box and it would just enable us to

[3:13:57] Voice 8: do more cooking on site rather than what we're doing right now which is partially uh cooking

[3:14:04] Voice 8: at bodega ridge and moving food down it's really inefficient so yeah just trying to

[3:14:10] Voice 8: make things a little smoother and improve what we're offering um

[3:14:16] Voice 6: my computer's not

[3:14:17] Voice 6: scrolling. What's the place right now? Like where it's going to go?

[3:14:22] Voice 8: Yeah, it's going to go behind the building. So yeah,

[3:14:25] Voice 9: right

[3:14:27] Voice 8: now it's just like a little bit of

[3:14:29] Voice 8: gravel, a little bit of lawn that's going on. Yeah. All

[3:14:39] Voice 7: I can say is, I mean, since the pig

[3:14:42] Voice 7: draining opened, the North End community suddenly has a place to go and they're getting a little

[3:14:46] Voice 7: snobby up there about uh about having their own place now so uh i think no i think that this is

[3:14:54] a great thing that you know the victory opening

[3:14:58] Voice 7: victory was a big step down

[3:15:01] Voice 7: sort of the north end included in the galena community from a food point of view um i mean

[3:15:08] Voice 7: the one thing i've said this before at this table it's striking to me that galena has more

[3:15:13] Voice 7: more restaurants and food than all of the other southern Gulf islands can find.

[3:15:19] Voice 7: And it makes us a great tourist destination, but also it's great for locals.

[3:15:26] Voice 7: And I think the opening of the Pink Drain is a good example of that.

[3:15:30] Voice 7: It's something all the locals were coming out and enjoying themselves again.

[3:15:37] Voice 6: Agreed. And what we've seen so far really meets the former character, DPA.

[3:15:41] It's very well done.

[3:15:43] yeah lots i could say everything i'll be happy to make the motion yeah

[3:16:03] Voice 4: for the discussion i'll just say i've heard it's awesome and i should go there

[3:16:12] Voice 4: but it's never seen that hardly anything's open on tuesday

[3:16:16] Voice 4: all

[3:16:17] Voice 9: right

[3:16:22] Voice 4: anyway all other things aside i'll call the question all those in favor

[3:16:34] Voice 4: that carries thank you okay uh this brings us to

[3:16:42] Voice 3: page 199 um for the associated islands

[3:16:48] Voice 3: regulation project bylaw 300 for the discussion earlier but um

[3:16:55] Voice 4: steve if there's anything staff

[3:16:58] Voice 4: want to highlight in from this report i

[3:17:03] Voice 13: think it's mostly been related if that's standard

[3:17:06] Voice 13: maybe go to the summary of the recommendations.

[3:17:11] Voice 9: They're at the

[3:17:13] Voice 9: top, obviously, and also sort of a procedural

[3:17:15] Voice 13: descriptor of what

[3:17:18] Voice 13: what can come next. And then we're recommending passing the

[3:17:22] Voice 13: first resolution there to delete that repetitive stare

[3:17:25] Voice 13: regulation, and then give the

[3:17:28] Voice 9: first reading to that bylaw,

[3:17:29] Voice 9: this bylaw number 300 is amended, and then give

[3:17:33] Voice 9: direction to staff to report back with options to amend bylaw number 200. And we would report back on those options.

[3:17:43] Voice 9: And I have some ways to address some of them earlier as well. So that's, those are the recommendations.

[3:17:57] Voice 7: So, if we proceed today, as recommended here, then we'll take those recommendations from

[3:18:04] Voice 7: the APC and try and work them into the bylaw?

[3:18:08] Voice 13: Yeah, and there was some measure done already to do so, but having said that, one of the

[3:18:14] Voice 13: recommendations number four there is to, that would best staff to provide options to men

[3:18:19] Voice 13: proposed by law number 300 in order two and then there's several

[3:18:22] Voice 9: descriptors there you could add

[3:18:26] Voice 9: to those change those as

[3:18:27] Voice 13: well depending on what you heard but we had proposed uh several there

[3:18:31] Voice 13: specifically yeah i saw a

[3:18:33] Voice 7: couple that i thought we might want to consider but yeah so i just want to

[3:18:37] Voice 7: say because this is something relatively new if we're going to add the definition of doc

[3:18:43] Voice 7: we should refer to the the new provincial um doc regulations which which were issued in march the

[3:18:51] Voice 7: 17th and

[3:18:53] Voice 7: so they they're quite clear on what they consider to be a general permission doc and so um

[3:19:00] Voice 7: it may be worth just looking at those regulations to begin our description

[3:19:07] Voice 7: No.

[3:19:08] Voice 7: The question

[3:19:09] Voice 7: says, ask

[3:19:10] Voice 4: staff to provide options.

[3:19:12] Voice 7: Yeah, that's right.

[3:19:13] Voice 7: So what the new regulations do is they separate the difference between what would be a general

[3:19:19] Voice 7: permission doc and a doc that exceeds that footprint.

[3:19:27] Voice 7: And so it doesn't mean you can't have it.

[3:19:29] Voice 7: It just means it's a different application process.

[3:19:30] Voice 7: sense but but a lot of the um docs at this location or on those locations um will fall

[3:19:39] Voice 7: under these new guidelines and so it's it's sort of i mean we should really be using the same

[3:19:46] Voice 7: language that the new guidelines are referring to i

[3:19:49] Voice 2: agree yeah that

[3:19:51] Voice 4: makes sense um something

[3:19:53] Voice 4: that i heard that i just wanted to raise was it would go into number four there there's uh right

[3:19:59] Voice 4: now says limit solar panels of 10 meter square within setback for wise island lots only um it

[3:20:07] Voice 4: was raised that there are other lots without access power grid and uh just not sure where

[3:20:15] Voice 4: trustees are on wanting to add that as staff you know we're asking staff to go and do some work

[3:20:22] Voice 2: on it so yeah yeah

[3:20:23] Voice 4: we want to identify the other lots that don't have access power grid

[3:20:27] Voice 4: for staff to look at yeah well

[3:20:30] Voice 7: i mean i think we have to because i mean fillmore point doesn't have

[3:20:34] Voice 7: access right um julie island the other islands out there don't have access to bar i'm not certain

[3:20:40] Voice 7: julian gets it from parker or not but um there's there's a few small environments out there as well

[3:20:46] Voice 7: um the fact is gossip has come right and even though they were considered in i think they're

[3:20:52] Voice 7: considering here um you know that we would need to identify if we're going to put something like

[3:20:59] Voice 7: that in we would need to identify the ones that need to be included

[3:21:04] Voice 4: because i i think it could

[3:21:06] Voice 4: be easily embedded just to remove only at the end of lots and say and other lots without access

[3:21:13] Voice 4: yeah not just lots yeah

[3:21:17] Voice 7: you don't want to put items but just lots because yeah

[3:21:19] Voice 7: points right yeah

[3:21:20] Voice 4: and then the other uh the other thing i heard in uh uh the earlier discussion was

[3:21:26] Voice 4: the the question of existing wooden structures right and whether uh whether we want to give

[3:21:32] Voice 4: any direction to staff on looking at options

[3:21:35] Voice 9: so

[3:21:37] Voice 4: uh we could make that an additional bullet point

[3:21:43] Voice 4: and we should also

[3:21:43] Voice 7: then refer to the new provincial regulations in regards to

[3:21:47] Voice 7: structures that access yeah docs because there are regulations and even though the rate the

[3:21:54] Voice 7: recommendation of 1.5 is is the is the new provincial regulation as well but there's

[3:22:00] Voice 7: there's form and character um yeah around that too right so um you know we need to we need to

[3:22:08] Voice 7: make when we do these we need to make sure that everybody's aware that there are changes that come

[3:22:14] Voice 7: with not just what we're doing but also what the province has just done as well and is continuing to

[3:22:19] Voice 7: do because we're expecting amendments to that those guidelines um by the end of this month

[3:22:31] yeah yeah

[3:22:32] Voice 4: so i've got kind of an amended number four here

[3:22:36] Voice 10: i've

[3:22:38] Voice 4: got an amended number four and

[3:22:39] Voice 4: when we get to there i i can make that motion okay

[3:22:42] Voice 9: and then yeah um

[3:22:51] Voice 9: recommendation number three i guess i think i'm ready i'm ready for all um

[3:22:58] Voice 7: okay yeah yeah it was only four that i had to adjust

[3:23:07] I move

[3:23:07] Voice 6: that the Galliano Local Trust Committee request staff to amend by-law number 300, by deleting the words and stairs to access the foreshore with a width of less than 1.5 meters after the words in the marine zone from subsection 2.1.

[3:23:26] Voice 4: Move second.

[3:23:27] Voice 4: uh any discussion

[3:23:35] Voice 4: okay i'll call the question all those in favor and that carries

[3:23:41] Voice 4: uh number

[3:23:43] Voice 7: two then i

[3:23:45] Voice 2: moved

[3:23:46] Voice 7: that the galliano local trust committee bylaw number 300 cited

[3:23:49] Voice 7: as galliano island land use bylaw number 127 1999 amendment number one 2026 be read

[3:23:57] Voice 7: for a reddit first time as amended moved second second

[3:24:02] Voice 3: any discussion call the question all those

[3:24:06] Voice 3: in favor that carries excellent

[3:24:09] Voice 6: i move the galley road to trust community as a new galley

[3:24:12] Voice 6: trust policy statement directives only checklist and determine that bylaw number 300 cited as a

[3:24:19] Voice 6: galileo land use bylaw number one two seven nineteen ninety nine amendment number one

[3:24:25] Voice 6: two thousand twenty six is not concerted for appliance policy

[3:24:32] Voice 3: any discussion i'll call the question all those in favor and that carries uh and i move this

[3:24:41] Voice 3: galileo island

[3:24:42] Voice 4: local trust to be request staff to provide options to amend proposed bylaw number

[3:24:47] Voice 4: of 300 in order to add a definition for

[3:24:52] Voice 3: the term dock uh limit solar panels of 10 meter square

[3:24:58] Voice 3: within the setback to the natural boundary of the sea for wise island lots and other lots without

[3:25:04] Voice 3: access to the power grid and uh consider existing wooden structures second

[3:25:16] Voice 6: matter uh any discussion

[3:25:24] Voice 4: We've just given the first reading, so if we missed something that needs to be addressed,

[3:25:29] Voice 4: we're still plenty of room.

[3:25:32] Voice 4: This is

[3:25:32] Voice 7: actually now a cycle work.

[3:25:34] Voice 7: Yeah.

[3:25:35] Voice 7: So making sure that it works, right?

[3:25:37] Voice 7: Yeah.

[3:25:40] Voice 4: So I'll call the question.

[3:25:41] Voice 4: All those in favour?

[3:25:42] Voice 4: And that carries.

[3:25:46] Voice 3: Okay.

[3:25:50] Voice 3: Applications, referrals.

[3:25:51] Voice 3: referrals we have the work program reports the active project list on page 221

[3:25:57] Voice 4: from staff or

[3:25:59] Voice 4: trustees no and we have the applications report it's 224. questions around that today oh sorry

[3:26:12] Voice 13: for future projects uh

[3:26:14] Voice 4: yeah oh sorry

[3:26:16] Voice 13: future projects just given the interest in uh possibly bringing forward uh they need to bring

[3:26:23] Voice 13: forward business cases to consider major projects correct um one thing that might be

[3:26:28] Voice 13: like for your consideration is to revisit um potential uh like the work plan in terms of um

[3:26:37] Voice 13: uh ocp review i

[3:26:40] Voice 9: think that was on your list uh right now and um that could be something that

[3:26:44] Voice 9: gave us a you know if you were interested in keeping that and making that but that would be

[3:26:54] Voice 3: priority okay um so and we'll

[3:26:56] Voice 4: note that we we have a scheduled meeting in both july and august this

[3:27:03] Voice 4: year yep i

[3:27:05] Voice 4: know crazy um so if we're if we've got something ready now great and if not we could

[3:27:11] Voice 4: think about it and revisit at our next meeting

[3:27:14] Voice 13: yeah we

[3:27:17] Voice 4: might we don't want to wait too long

[3:27:19] Voice 4: because we wanted to get going but also it doesn't absolutely have to happen today if no one's

[3:27:25] Voice 4: prepared so the

[3:27:28] Voice 13: consideration would be great if you could consider future projects especially

[3:27:31] Voice 13: the major projects all right well yeah

[3:27:33] Voice 4: the major projects absolutely for

[3:27:36] Voice 6: the next agenda

[3:27:36] Voice 6: uh

[3:27:37] Voice 4: yeah so bad consideration of uh could

[3:27:45] Voice 13: even just happen during this this future project

[3:27:48] Voice 13: Yeah,

[3:27:49] Voice 4: well, I've just asked staff to add consideration of a business case for major projects to the next agenda.

[3:27:57] Voice 4: And I don't even think we absolutely have to have a resolution for that.

[3:28:04] Voice 4: I mean, it's always good, but we don't absolutely have to.

[3:28:07] Voice 6: Look at page 218.

[3:28:10] Voice 4: Sure.

[3:28:12] Voice 6: Seems kind of...

[3:28:15] Voice 3: 218 is the APC referral report.

[3:28:21] Voice 9: I'm seeing the page number on the page.

[3:28:26] Voice 9: 218.

[3:28:32] 218.

[3:28:35] Voice 11: It's still associated.

[3:28:39] Voice 3: My

[3:28:40] Voice 9: page is 218.

[3:28:43] Voice 9: Wow.

[3:28:44] Voice 3: Okay.

[3:28:45] Voice 3: Okay, numbers get crazy here.

[3:28:47] Voice 3: I've got work program, I've got active, active on 221 and future on 223.

[3:28:54] Voice 3: So I got two.

[3:29:00] Voice 9: Oh, okay.

[3:29:01] Voice 9: I just wanted to note that.

[3:29:03] Voice 6: Yeah, I know number six, the OCP reviews felt wrong.

[3:29:08] Voice 9: Okay.

[3:29:09] Voice 2: Sorry, but also way

[3:29:10] Voice 6: underneath that has, remember when we were talking about the recurring updates?

[3:29:13] Voice 6: Yeah.

[3:29:13] Voice 2: It's

[3:29:13] Voice 6: happening, which is happening on the whole sector.

[3:29:15] Voice 6: Yeah.

[3:29:17] Voice 6: But that doesn't belong under OCP, does it?

[3:29:20] Voice 6: It could be part of that.

[3:29:22] Voice 9: It could be part of the OCP, right?

[3:29:23] Voice 4: That actually would make sense for it to be nested in that project.

[3:29:28] Voice 9: Great.

[3:29:29] Voice 9: Yeah.

[3:29:30] Voice 4: Okay, so we can address that at our next meeting.

[3:29:36] Voice 4: Okay, we did application support.

[3:29:38] Voice 4: we do a trustee and local expense report on 229 my version anything on that yes i love the trust

[3:29:46] Voice 4: committee web page it was just building that something right uh

[3:29:54] Voice 6: yes you know that the website

[3:30:00] Voice 9: accessibility audit for the website for MOVs

[3:30:04] Voice 9: that are found to be made.

[3:30:06] Voice 9: The majority of websites these days

[3:30:09] Voice 9: don't meet the benchmark for accessibility needs.

[3:30:13] Voice 9: And so our website

[3:30:15] Voice 6: failed, but it's not .

[3:30:20] Voice 6: So that's been a longstanding issue.

[3:30:22] Voice 6: So the aim

[3:30:24] Voice 9: of this audit with the Alex Trust

[3:30:25] Voice 9: is to bring everything up to a potential level

[3:30:27] Voice 9: as high as it can, can possibly be.

[3:30:31] Voice 6: Yeah, so things like PDFs, PDFs that are not displaying correctly,

[3:30:37] Voice 6: both devices and icons.

[3:30:41] Voice 6: And the effort is really sort of to make sure that the digital aspects of the actual work is transparent enough

[3:30:48] Voice 6: to everybody who needs to maybe adapt what learning needs,

[3:30:52] Voice 6: are able to access their own website.

[3:30:54] Voice 6: site. So yeah, so screen readers are working properly, all the tagging

[3:31:01] Voice 9: and the embedded

[3:31:02] Voice 9: information has been all the data is up is relevant and updated so that everybody can

[3:31:11] Voice 9: enjoy.

[3:31:13] Voice 6: That work is underway and we have made tremendous strides in correcting a lot of

[3:31:19] Voice 6: the issues there's still a few little pieces of follow-up on but overall our websites um

[3:31:31] Voice 6: thank you and also the accessibility um committee meeting that we had uh we have a whole slate of

[3:31:38] Voice 6: new members mentioned that we have questions with very very diverse

[3:31:45] Voice 9: board or our committee great thank

[3:31:49] Voice 11: you so much um next is the island trust

[3:31:56] Voice 3: conservancy report

[3:31:58] Voice 3: uh from february march and

[3:32:00] Voice 4: we have the uh um chair of the i was just conservancy

[3:32:06] Voice 4: sitting on his local trust

[3:32:07] Voice 4: committee so anything you'd like to um highlight or add to the report

[3:32:12] Voice 4: I

[3:32:12] Voice 6: just wanted to highlight the work

[3:32:13] Voice 9: on the five-year plan right now, because it's going quite well. Staff are meeting regularly with nations to discuss the five-year plan, which is very inspiring work to have.

[3:32:29] Voice 9: Building those relationships is really key to this work, and the staff at BITC take that very seriously and are very competent.

[3:32:41] Voice 9: as you can see the report is numerous pages uh reflecting what we have quarterly so

[3:32:47] again i'll remind you

[3:32:49] Voice 9: of what a small

[3:32:49] Voice 9: there's nothing

[3:32:58] Voice 4: underneath business today our next regular schedule meeting is uh july 7th

[3:33:05] Voice 4: at the north hall and uh please i wonder if i can finagle away to get here early enough

[3:33:15] Voice 4: and so we do have another opportunity for public participation um huge crowd remaining so anyone

[3:33:25] Voice 4: want to address the local trust committee same rules before chain respect language etc yeah i

[3:33:33] Voice 10: just wanted to say thanks for considering us um you earlier uh can you mention the precedence

[3:33:40] Voice 10: I'd like

[3:33:40] Voice 9: to use a couple of examples from other islands. We're not asking for much, but

[3:33:47] Voice 9: Gambier, Kendra

[3:33:48] Voice 11: Island, Main Island, and Saturna, they all have structures in the setback that we're asking for.

[3:33:56] Voice 11: Saturna is actually quite interesting,

[3:33:58] Voice 9: where they run out of boat sheds, and one boathouse per

[3:34:04] Voice 9: for constructive residents with being set back with other development.

[3:34:09] Voice 12: But anyway,

[3:34:10] Voice 12: so I think we're going ahead. I wanted to just remind the LTC that Wise Island was

[3:34:16] Voice 12: developed in

[3:34:17] Voice 9: 1969. Long before the LAO bylaws were in place. And our lots, every lot on

[3:34:25] Voice 9: island is less than half the size of what the SLR say they should be on the island.

[3:34:35] Voice 9: So we're dealing with tiny little properties, which

[3:34:39] Voice 11: is why we're asking for certain allowances

[3:34:41] Voice 11: and stuff. A lot of those structures have been there for

[3:34:46] Voice 10: a very many years. As I said,

[3:34:50] Voice 10: existing wooden, we don't want anybody to come in and do concrete or metal structures.

[3:34:55] Voice 10: this is not just cedar which is why we have an existing wooden platform great thank you

[3:35:09] Voice 11: great

[3:35:11] Voice 4: anything else that's it okay well thanks and i know uh um perhaps the start of this project uh

[3:35:21] Voice 4: took a bit longer uh than something you would have liked but we're making some progress

[3:35:28] Voice 2: now so i

[3:35:29] Voice 4: I look at that as a good thing.

[3:35:32] Voice 2: All right.

[3:35:33] Voice 4: Well, I think that concludes our business today.

[3:35:36] Voice 4: So I'm going to call for adjournment.

[3:35:39] Voice 4: All right.

[3:35:40] Voice 3: We're adjourned.

[3:35:41] Voice 4: Thank you, everyone.