Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, July 16, 2026

[0:00:00] Voice 11: Good morning, everyone. I'd like to call this regular meeting of the Gabriel Local Trust

[0:00:04] Voice 11: Committee to order. We are live streaming and we're recording this meeting. The recording

[0:00:09] Voice 11: will be available online the days to follow. I always begin by acknowledging with respect

[0:00:15] Voice 11: and humility that these lands and waters of Gabriel Local Trust Area have been home to

[0:00:19] Voice 11: Indigenous people since time immemorial. Their deep connection to these islands continues

[0:00:25] Voice 11: used to this day and we honor their enduring presence, constitutional rights,

[0:00:29] Voice 6: and responsibilities.

[0:00:31] Voice 6: I'm honored to say that Breaking Bannock,

[0:00:35] Voice 8: you've

[0:00:36] Voice 6: arrived just in time, an initiative

[0:00:38] Voice 6: the Gabriel Law Arts Council was awarded the Islands Trust Community Stewardship Award.

[0:00:42] Voice 12: Thank you.

[0:00:45] Voice 11: Breaking Bannock aims to build bridges within the community by sharing Indigenous

[0:00:49] Voice 11: knowledge and connections through shared experiences, storytelling, and events on the island.

[0:00:55] Voice 11: very grateful for the work that you do in the community so thank you

[0:01:01] Voice 6: um i'm laura packard i'm elected on salt spring island but i'm the chair of this local trust

[0:01:06] Voice 6: committee i'm joined today by trustee susan yates and trustee toby elliott and together we make up

[0:01:13] Voice 6: your local trust committee uh we have a number of staff joining us today we have our planner

[0:01:19] Voice 6: planner Stephen Baum. I believe regional planning manager Renee

[0:01:24] Voice 6: Jammer is probably in the background, maybe. We have Lisa

[0:01:28] Voice 6: Millard, our minute taker, and we have our planner, Nerissa

[0:01:33] Voice 6: Chadwick. And online we have Lauren Digman, manager of bylaw

[0:01:38] Voice 6: enforcement. And do we have anyone else? William Shula, our

[0:01:44] Voice 6: freshwater specialist, and Ian Cox,

[0:01:47] Voice 11: another planner that's with

[0:01:48] Voice 11: with us so thank you to the staff for being here today uh this meeting is an official forum for

[0:01:55] Voice 11: your local trust committee to make decisions about land use planning matters and discuss

[0:01:59] Voice 11: relevant business

[0:02:00] Voice 6: this is also a place of employment our staff have the right to a safe

[0:02:05] Voice 6: respectful workplace i'll come back in a moment we'll have a lot of times on the agenda for you

[0:02:10] Voice 6: to speak to shortly and i'll have a few words to say before we open that period so trustees we have

[0:02:16] Voice 6: an agenda before us are there any additions or changes to the agenda

[0:02:21] Voice 11: can we approve the agenda through general consent thank you

[0:02:24] Voice 8: so

[0:02:25] Voice 11: we're going to go into the reports

[0:02:26] Voice 11: section first um so we have trustee reports your trustees are very busy and

[0:02:31] Voice 11: uh i'm very they do a

[0:02:33] Voice 11: lot of work in our in our island stress so thank you and uh you can choose who goes first i'll do

[0:02:41] Voice 12: do my rapid fire report. So I sort of separate it into three sections. There's a lot of community

[0:02:49] Voice 12: meetings and events that I attended that were really, yeah, it's just, it's a very active time.

[0:02:58] Voice 12: So just a short overview, the May 23rd, the Japanese Heritage Exhibit, the opening at the

[0:03:06] Voice 12: museum and the grand opening at pages marina it was so well attended there's many dignitaries

[0:03:12] Voice 12: um the council general from uh for japan was there and um and having worked with the museum

[0:03:21] Voice 12: i think it was 10 years ago on this mini documentary about silva bay uh that was my

[0:03:26] Voice 12: first introduction to the the japanese uh settlers who had developed the sawmill and the um and the

[0:03:35] Voice 12: the fish plant.

[0:03:37] Voice 12: And so this was an opportunity to just see

[0:03:40] Voice 12: through the artisans in the community

[0:03:43] Voice 12: and the legacy documents and the letters,

[0:03:48] Voice 12: really what that looked and felt like.

[0:03:50] Voice 12: And it was a remarkable exhibit.

[0:03:52] Voice 12: I encourage everyone to take a look.

[0:03:54] Voice 12: That's a really significant part of our collective heritage.

[0:03:59] Voice 12: The attendance of Sustainable Gabriola meetings.

[0:04:02] Voice 12: There's lots of interest in supporting community

[0:04:05] Voice 12: information about the elections in general how to participate and education on governance generally

[0:04:11] Voice 12: like how how are the islands governed and islands trusted this comes up every election cycle so

[0:04:19] Voice 12: um i'm glad to see that there's a group that seems to be undertaking some community information on

[0:04:25] Voice 12: that uh i'll take a step back but sustainable gabriel also published that might be of interest

[0:04:33] Voice 12: to folks a household water guide back in February or March this year and it's a really useful guide

[0:04:41] Voice 12: because this is as we know a very complex issue with a lot of different regulatory

[0:04:48] Voice 12: streams and so I've been encouraging folks to look at that guide and I also wanted to point

[0:04:54] Voice 12: to the like transition salt spring over on just sort of a similar group they have published a

[0:05:02] Voice 12: wildfire ready guide as a community resource and I'm thinking that Sustainable Gabriela might

[0:05:09] Voice 12: undertake something like that. So the Gabriela helped them while being collaborative. They had

[0:05:17] Voice 12: a quarterly in-person meeting and I attended that and shared about Breaking Bannock receiving the

[0:05:23] Voice 12: Stewardship Award. I learned there there is interest in doing a social systems map of

[0:05:29] Voice 12: Gabriel Organizations from someone who attended and I shared the draft OCP with them because how

[0:05:37] Voice 12: all these how do we collaborate together how do we things that aren't strictly in

[0:05:42] Voice 12: Islands Trust jurisdiction need to be mapped out so people understand who the different players are

[0:05:48] Voice 12: so there is interest in the Gabriel Health and Wellbeing Collaborative and sort of creating a

[0:05:52] Voice 12: systems map um gabriella oceans day was pretty well attended um june 7th hosted by the marine

[0:06:01] Voice 12: division at the reserve number five and we had an excellent lovely barbecued sockeye and um gosh

[0:06:10] Voice 12: what else was there was a panic of course panic and lots of education about the burgers

[0:06:16] Voice 7: and

[0:06:17] Voice 12: And elk burgers, that's right, that's right.

[0:06:19] Voice 12: So that's a really good opportunity to connect

[0:06:22] Voice 12: with some of the members and their staff,

[0:06:25] Voice 12: especially what they're doing in marine monitoring.

[0:06:27] Voice 12: They've done a lot of baseline mapping.

[0:06:29] Voice 12: And so they had all their remote operated vessels

[0:06:32] Voice 12: and showing us how that works.

[0:06:34] Voice 12: So gave a little pride, I was happy to attend that.

[0:06:38] Voice 12: I toured prospective vets around the island.

[0:06:41] Voice 12: That's something the community is wildly interested in and we desperately need some veterinarians.

[0:06:50] Voice 12: Attended the food security forum, which speak local farmer, Greg Bradley, was speaking about

[0:06:57] Voice 12: food security and looking into the future and there's something there's some things

[0:07:00] Voice 12: that came out of that that could relate to our digital community plan, especially in

[0:07:03] Voice 12: regards to water security.

[0:07:04] Voice 12: um security getting to that for me getting to that discussion i organized a fundraiser with

[0:07:11] Voice 12: much support for sunimak monokunu family going on tribal journeys we raised about 3 700 thank you

[0:07:19] Voice 12: to the community a very long list of donors um who supported the beautiful raffle baskets that

[0:07:28] Voice 12: we were able to give out we were able to give a gift to um elder gary mattson and donna because

[0:07:33] Voice 12: they do such important work in um supporting the next generation and going on these um journeys

[0:07:41] Voice 12: and then we did oh yes this is the name of blanketing ceremony um that was how we recently

[0:07:50] Voice 12: led by elder geraldine matson to honor six of our community stewardship leaders

[0:07:56] Voice 12: leaders, Phyllis Reeves, Nick Doe, Liz Ciocia, Darlene Mace, and Rob Brokley. Did I miss

[0:08:04] Voice 12: somebody? Two, three, four, five. Deborah

[0:08:08] Voice 12: Ferencz, I am so sorry. Deborah Ferencz,

[0:08:11] Voice 12: raising our hands to you. You are community leaders who have done incredible work that

[0:08:16] Voice 12: work that government can't necessarily do, but that has shaped the stewardship legacy

[0:08:22] Voice 12: of this island and continues to affect our work today.

[0:08:28] Voice 12: So I was one of four called as a witness.

[0:08:31] Voice 12: And part of that role is to continue to uplift their work

[0:08:35] Voice 12: and remind the community of what they do

[0:08:38] Voice 12: and bring their knowledge to the forefront.

[0:08:41] Voice 12: Nick Doe in particular, his editions of the Shale magazine

[0:08:46] Voice 12: are just incredible if you want to know

[0:08:48] Voice 12: about natural history and heritage.

[0:08:50] Voice 12: And finally, I joined a tour that RDN Director Vanessa Craig organized for Minister of State

[0:08:58] Voice 12: for the World Communities, Brittany Anderson.

[0:09:03] Voice 12: She made a visit to Gabriela, sort of on a tour of some communities.

[0:09:07] Voice 12: And so there's a long list of places that they visited, Vanessa Craig really focused

[0:09:12] Voice 12: on initiatives, community initiatives to meet the needs.

[0:09:17] Voice 12: and it was a great tour and L.A. Sheila Malcolmson came and really provided transportation so

[0:09:24] Voice 12: that was really lovely to be a part of that. Quickly Islands Trust meetings

[0:09:29] Voice 12: participated in a monitoring visit to Link Island. Link Island is a really significant it's the

[0:09:35] Voice 12: largest donation to the Conservancy in our history and there isn't still a development

[0:09:42] Voice 12: a stewardship plan and so this was an opportunity to see what's on the land connect with the um

[0:09:49] Voice 12: the donors of the land who had the swift family and um we really it's it's so eye-opening there

[0:09:56] Voice 12: is over 50 culturally modified trees that had been identified um by uh various first nations

[0:10:04] Voice 12: as significant so that work is is working in partnership uh to develop that stewardship

[0:10:09] Voice 12: that I'm pleased to witness that.

[0:10:13] Voice 12: Couple executive committee meetings.

[0:10:16] Voice 12: There is a big engagement

[0:10:18] Voice 12: on the Heritage Conservation Act Transformation Project.

[0:10:22] Voice 12: So there's an update and if folks want information on that,

[0:10:25] Voice 12: the latest sort of thinking from,

[0:10:28] Voice 12: it's actually under the Ministry of Forests, which is wild.

[0:10:33] Voice 12: But they took feedback and I gave some insight

[0:10:38] Voice 12: insight into how policy development like our OCP could work together with Heritage and they might

[0:10:44] Voice 12: look at connecting with the Ministry of Housing um specifically for how land use planning intersects

[0:10:51] Voice 12: with Heritage conservation the trust Council was held July 17th to 19th that was online that's our

[0:10:58] Voice 12: our marathon three-day quarterly meeting was it june sorry june yes uh and attended the southern

[0:11:07] Voice 12: gulf islands forum and shared of course meetings and then there's been lots of conversation with

[0:11:14] Voice 12: community that's sort of been my focus this last two months posting on social media a lot more than

[0:11:20] Voice 12: i would

[0:11:20] Voice 8: rather

[0:11:21] Voice 12: started out this term saying i'm not going to use social media to talk policy it

[0:11:26] Voice 12: is a limited platform it's it's it's prone to misinformation but there's just been so much

[0:11:32] Voice 12: happening and there is a segment of our community that um you know gets its news still from meta

[0:11:39] Voice 12: i just want to note for everyone's information um the sometimes when we post uh links

[0:11:47] Voice 12: like islands trust links meta breaks them because it treats them as news and so that's what happened

[0:11:54] Voice 12: with a few of my posts people like where is that are you not posting a link the page doesn't exist

[0:11:58] Voice 12: it's something we don't really have control over so um actually somebody archived in the wayback

[0:12:04] Voice 12: machine the freshwater footprint uh report so that can live online and not be corrupted by

[0:12:11] Voice 12: um i hosted nine drop-in sessions and i think you were able to attend on the ocp to just hear

[0:12:22] Voice 12: from community uh worked through the document gave out about 40 copies of the draft document thanks

[0:12:28] Voice 12: to staff for providing those thank you to the community for coming with your questions like

[0:12:33] Voice 12: this is really important to engage early in the process policy making is not easy and so just

[0:12:39] Voice 12: getting familiar with the document which is the stage we're at now um so that you can navigate it

[0:12:45] Voice 12: enough to go okay well what does that mean and how does that relate and understand the discussions

[0:12:48] Voice 12: we're having, I think that's been really important, but we'll keep trying to make

[0:12:53] Voice 12: that available. I think we should talk about, yeah we'll talk about the

[0:13:01] Voice 12: engagement later. Email me if you want like reports or links to things

[0:13:14] Voice 12: because I have right now Susan and I are sort of at the maturity part of our term

[0:13:19] Voice 12: kind of know where everything is and if you're having problems getting information

[0:13:23] Voice 12: email one of us and we'll we'll send you where it is because it is hard to find in our website

[0:13:30] Voice 12: which will hopefully one day be fixed okay thank you trustee elliot great work there thank you for

[0:13:40] Voice 12: organizing our drop-in sessions too as you say i've attended about half of them and it's great

[0:13:46] Voice 12: because sometimes we have more people than we can handle with one person so we split up and yeah

[0:13:52] Voice 12: that's really well so my trustee report um since the last meeting we had which is may 21st

[0:14:01] Voice 12: is in chronological order and the first thing i have here is our attendance at the islands trust

[0:14:09] Voice 12: quarterly meeting um trust council's quarterly meetings are all the trustees from all the islands

[0:14:15] Voice 12: So 13 islands, 26 trustees, those who show up, I may say,

[0:14:21] Voice 8: and

[0:14:22] Voice 12: those who do not show up, the burden is left for the ones who do show up and they have to work extra hard.

[0:14:29] Voice 12: Thank you to the sounder for pointing that out.

[0:14:34] Voice 12: So when I give you my highlights of council meetings, they're my highlights.

[0:14:40] Voice 12: so the big highlight for me was that even though it was an online meeting and not in person we had

[0:14:46] Voice 12: a beautiful opening with Comox elder Donna Mitchell sorry about the typo in my report to

[0:14:52] Voice 12: you there Lisa Donna Mitchell not Mitchell and she spoke about being part of the 60s scoop and

[0:15:00] Voice 12: never meeting her grandparents and I that just was so touching and it when we have an opening

[0:15:06] Voice 12: me like that it sets the tone for where we are who we live with

[0:15:13] Voice 8: who

[0:15:15] Voice 12: lived here for thousands of

[0:15:16] Voice 12: years before us and what they're having to deal with in our current government systems we think

[0:15:23] Voice 12: it's hard for us oh boy so we have a review of the draft budget development process uh considerations

[0:15:30] Voice 12: for the 20 27 28 fiscal year it's comprehensive it's for we get these really forward-looking

[0:15:37] Voice 12: staff reports which are are very helpful for trustees to figure out what do we need to budget

[0:15:44] Voice 12: for in the next four years three years two years next year we had a review of draft candidate

[0:15:51] Voice 12: information and new council orientation program this will ensure that all new trustees are well

[0:15:59] Voice 12: prepared for their jobs and there will be a lot of new trustees and we know now that many current

[0:16:06] Voice 12: sitting trustees are not running again and it's a difficult job to learn and so

[0:16:12] Voice 12: the better orientation you have, the better job you will do and then you need

[0:16:17] Voice 12: to show up. We approved the draft Indigenous Relations Action Plan for the

[0:16:23] Voice 12: next two years, looking good. We allocated funding to support the

[0:16:28] Voice 12: Bainsound-Lambert Channel Ecosystem Forum Society, the Rural Economic

[0:16:33] Voice 12: partnership, Islands Economic Partnership, the Coastal Douglas for Conservation Partnership.

[0:16:39] Voice 12: These are all important agencies for collaborative advocacy that we work with.

[0:16:45] Voice 12: Every year I go to the herring fest up to Hornby Denman and the place I look at is Lambert

[0:16:52] Voice 12: Channel and Bay of Sound and the miracle of those herring returning depends entirely on

[0:16:59] Voice 12: the on the ecosystem the ecology of that area. We had a BC coastal marine strategy presentation it

[0:17:08] Voice 12: was and highlighted nine priorities for BC's first plan first plan ever for stewarding coastal waters

[0:17:14] Voice 12: and chair Patrick subsequently wrote a letter to the minister of water lands resource stewardship

[0:17:21] Voice 12: advocating that this strategy be enshrined into legislation. We had an island's trust policy

[0:17:27] Voice 12: policy statement amendment project update. It will be reviewed again in March 2027. This will be the

[0:17:33] Voice 12: eighth year of the policy statement project. Oh boy. We had a great presentation from the EDM

[0:17:42] Voice 12: My Sea to Sky, an organization that outlined the very serious issue of Hortus BC failing to meet

[0:17:50] Voice 12: the conditions of its waste discharge permit for over a year, discharging up to double the

[0:17:58] Voice 12: volume of wastewater into Alcatsum, also called Howe Sound, and instead of fixing the problem,

[0:18:04] Voice 12: FortisBC asked for permission to continue and increase its discharge. Again, Chair Patrick

[0:18:10] Voice 12: wrote a letter stating our concern and then, but what happened that very same day?

[0:18:15] Voice 12: They got permission to keep on polluting.

[0:18:21] Voice 12: We cover planning services.

[0:18:24] Voice 12: We do this every council meeting.

[0:18:26] Voice 12: We have a really good quarterly update with all of our planning departments.

[0:18:30] Voice 12: And interestingly, over the last four years since COVID, application volumes have followed

[0:18:36] Voice 12: a less predictable pattern.

[0:18:38] Voice 12: They remain relatively high, but they fluctuate year to year.

[0:18:42] Voice 12: Whereas during COVID, they were kind of going like this.

[0:18:46] Voice 12: As per usual, Salt Spring, North Pender and Gabriola show the highest number of development applications.

[0:18:55] Voice 12: And the highlight, of course, the Islands Trust Community Stewardship Awards.

[0:19:00] Voice 12: These are bestowed the last year of a Council's term.

[0:19:04] Voice 12: And this year saw five individuals and two organizations receive those awards.

[0:19:09] Voice 12: And of course, we've already talked about Gabriola's Breaking Bannock Program,

[0:19:13] Voice 12: and initiative of the Gabriel Arts Council,

[0:19:16] Voice 12: being the recipient of one of the organization awards.

[0:19:20] Voice 12: These awards mean a lot, not just to the recipient,

[0:19:24] Voice 12: but to the communities where they work,

[0:19:26] Voice 12: because they take on projects that sometimes take many years

[0:19:30] Voice 12: for the benefit of their community and the trust area.

[0:19:34] Voice 12: And I believe the awards will be given out at our September 3rd

[0:19:37] Voice 12: local trust committee meeting, I think.

[0:19:40] Voice 12: I think that's what I've heard from Chloe Straw, that we will actually be able to honor

[0:19:45] Voice 12: the recipient, I believe, at our next LTC meeting.

[0:19:49] Voice 12: I'm looking forward to that.

[0:19:51] Voice 12: So May 27th, both Trustee Elliott and I are on the Financial Planning Committee.

[0:19:56] Voice 12: Highlights were approving the draft budget assumptions, which I mentioned above, as being

[0:20:02] Voice 12: they also have to be approved by Trust Council.

[0:20:04] Voice 12: Council, working on increasing development application fees so that they are more in

[0:20:11] Voice 12: line with other local governments, we are way behind, thus lessening the burden on local

[0:20:17] Voice 12: taxpayers.

[0:20:19] Voice 12: We had discussion and recommendations to Council for a reserve fund for costs that we expect

[0:20:25] Voice 12: regularly but not every year.

[0:20:27] Voice 12: For example, election expenses, they only happen every four years.

[0:20:31] Voice 12: So instead of forking out $400,000 in this budget year, we need to be spreading that out over four years.

[0:20:39] Voice 12: On June 3rd, I had a meeting with the Ferry Hill Trail Planning Group, four members of the Gabriela Transportation Society, MLA Sheila Malcolmson, Director Vanessa Craig, Chamber Executive Director Erin Udall at that time,

[0:20:54] Voice 12: Planners Stephen Bough from Gabriola, RDN Parks Lead Amy Gore and MOTT rep Nikki Schneider

[0:21:02] Voice 12: to discuss the issues connected with the multi-use trail we so desperately need from the very

[0:21:08] Voice 12: to the village.

[0:21:09] Voice 12: Different trail configurations will be honed to determine what is most feasible and they'll

[0:21:15] Voice 12: be brought back to the same working group and by the end of this year a plan is expected

[0:21:20] Voice 12: for presentation to the whole community.

[0:21:22] Voice 12: to be. June 21st, I attended an amazing Salt Spring Forum. I'm a member of the Salt Spring

[0:21:28] Voice 12: Forum, and I try to get to about half of them. The title was, you were there, right? Who's

[0:21:33] Voice 12: Afraid of Drippa? And actually, we didn't talk that much about Drippa. It was so good,

[0:21:38] Voice 12: though. It was a riveting session on national, it was on National Indigenous People's Day.

[0:21:43] Voice 8: Perfect.

[0:21:44] Voice 12: First Nation Land Title Negotiator and former MLA Adam Olson, who's a great speaker.

[0:21:50] Voice 12: From 2017 to 2024, Adam Olson was a key voice in our legislature on reconciliation, land use, environmental stewardship, and democratic reform.

[0:22:02] Voice 12: He offers deeply informed insights into how co-governance can and must work in B.C.

[0:22:09] Voice 12: He elaborated on his assertion that a manufactured crisis has been created by political pundits in response to recent court cases.

[0:22:17] Voice 12: places. Everyone in the audience was alerted by his comments on the historical policy that

[0:22:24] Voice 12: Indigenous people have no right to their land. This is a policy that has created destructive

[0:22:29] Voice 12: outcomes for 175 years. I think George Abbott talks about that in his book too, Unseated.

[0:22:39] Voice 12: It's an amazing book. He held that book up, as you did at our last meeting.

[0:22:43] Voice 8: Susan yeah

[0:22:44] Voice 12: just a quick note as an aside um uh trustee Ken Hunter of Thetis right held up that

[0:22:52] Voice 12: book at the Thetis local trust committee meeting

[0:22:54] Voice 12: and said amazing everyone should read that and I

[0:22:57] Voice 12: was like really wow I know okay yeah everyone should read that everyone should read that if

[0:23:03] Voice 12: Ken Hunter from Thetis says yeah you betcha you betcha and and Adam Olson said that that policy

[0:23:08] Voice 12: has made us all a lesser society. And I really, I really appreciate that. And so July 5th was the

[0:23:18] Voice 12: Snenema Blanketing Ceremony at the museum. And Trustee Elliott has already talked about that.

[0:23:24] Voice 12: It was very beautiful. We were honored to be in the presence of those six recipients and the

[0:23:29] Voice 12: Snenema First Nation elders who bestowed the blankets and words of recognition for the community

[0:23:35] Voice 12: members' achievements. A blanketing ceremony shows respect and loving care for those who

[0:23:43] Voice 12: have contributed in significant ways over a long period of time to their community.

[0:23:50] Voice 12: And you could really feel that loving care during this. So coming up soon, annual Aqua Chautauqua

[0:23:57] Voice 12: at the Gabriel Commons, August 1st, a gathering of environmental activists focusing on a hopeful

[0:24:03] Voice 12: future for the Salish Sea this year, the Islands Trust Conservancy, and both Trustee Elliott and I

[0:24:10] Voice 12: are board members on that conservancy, we have been asked to participate in this cross-border

[0:24:16] Voice 12: event. So we have people coming from the whole San Juan area as well, celebrating the bounty and the

[0:24:22] Voice 12: beauty of the Salish Sea. Coming up soon with great thanks to Sustainable Gabriola's formidable

[0:24:29] Voice 12: minimal outreach efforts and a great newsletter that comes online every few weeks they help they

[0:24:36] Voice 12: have been helping to promote our local trust committee activities on gabriela including

[0:24:42] Voice 12: public participation for the draft official community plan they've been really helpful

[0:24:48] Voice 12: with that and soon we hope uh the first reading of our ocp they'll be they'll be bringing that

[0:24:54] Voice 12: to their members as well um their newsletter this week highlights uh the gabriola talks

[0:25:01] Voice 12: which is a a small group of totally non-partisan members in our community who also helped do our

[0:25:09] Voice 12: any political meetings they often uh post them yeah the candidates debate yeah so this coming

[0:25:17] Voice 12: up soon thursday july 23rd 6 30 at the rollo center gabriola talks water so gabriela talks

[0:25:24] Voice 12: is hosting a series of cafes on issues that are relevant to our draft OCP.

[0:25:29] Voice 12: So good on them.

[0:25:31] Voice 12: The only thing we need to do is attend if we wish to.

[0:25:35] Voice 6: What was that date, Susan?

[0:25:37] Voice 12: July 23rd is the first one.

[0:25:39] Voice 12: Thursday, 6.30 at the Rollo Center.

[0:25:44] Voice 12: I believe our sound or newspaper has ads every time.

[0:25:48] Voice 12: The next one will be Sunday, August 9th,

[0:25:52] Voice 12: that will be on housing and density and the third one will be on reconciliation i don't have a date

[0:25:58] Voice 12: for that yet sometime in september way to go sustainable gabriela and gabriela talks

[0:26:06] Voice 12: that's it for my report thank you

[0:26:08] Voice 11: busy trustees again the community is very well represented

[0:26:13] Voice 11: it's very hard working trustees and i really appreciate these

[0:26:16] Voice 3: records um

[0:26:18] Voice 6: my report is very

[0:26:19] Voice 6: very short. There's a couple of meeting dates coming up. July 22nd, the Trust Council is going

[0:26:26] Voice 6: to have a Committee of the Whole meeting. It's related to the draft trust policy statement,

[0:26:35] Voice 6: but the meeting is focused

[0:26:35] Voice 11: on the agency

[0:26:37] Voice 6: referrals. So their first

[0:26:40] Voice 11: reading, it was

[0:26:40] Voice 11: distributed

[0:26:41] Voice 6: to a number of agencies, regional districts, other governments, our own provincial

[0:26:47] Voice 6: provincial government.

[0:26:49] Voice 6: So this meeting is about really understanding,

[0:26:51] Voice 6: digging into those referral responses that we got.

[0:26:55] Voice 6: We won't be making changes to the document

[0:26:58] Voice 6: for the remainder of the term,

[0:26:59] Voice 6: but it's still understanding and what is the perspective.

[0:27:05] Voice 6: The next press council meeting is September 9 to 11.

[0:27:11] Voice 6: Public comment period typically almost always

[0:27:15] Voice 6: on the first day.

[0:27:15] Voice 6: so that would be September 9. You are interested, you or an organization wishes to give a delegation

[0:27:23] Voice 6: three weeks in advance of the 9th is the deadline for making a request for that,

[0:27:28] Voice 6: but otherwise the public comment period is just, it'll be available online. You don't have to go

[0:27:32] Voice 6: to any meeting. It's a virtual meeting. You can talk to us virtually, which is nice. You don't

[0:27:37] Voice 6: have to travel. And hopefully we have attendees in attendance at both of those meetings.

[0:27:45] Voice 6: well you know two of them are going to be there three of us

[0:27:48] Voice 3: you'll

[0:27:50] Voice 6: be well represented yeah okay

[0:27:53] Voice 6: um i'm going to

[0:27:54] Voice 11: carry on then uh vanessa craig is not she didn't send a report she

[0:27:59] Voice 12: did it was

[0:28:00] Voice 12: last minute early this morning and i

[0:28:02] Voice 12: confess i have not had time to read it

[0:28:04] Voice 12: to be so large

[0:28:06] Voice 12: i could read out a few notes because

[0:28:09] Voice 12: her reports are great they are great and we

[0:28:13] Voice 11: work

[0:28:13] Voice 12: closely with our regional director we have to because we don't do any service stuff

[0:28:19] Voice 12: there's lots of things we need to work together sorry just bringing it up here

[0:28:25] Voice 12: uh yeah so just for the record um so she reported out at the june 23rd board meeting they received

[0:28:33] Voice 12: the regional brown level groundwater level analysis for the pre-summer season i think

[0:28:38] Voice 12: that was reported in the sounder um and there's a series of reports under the agenda item 10.3

[0:28:46] Voice 12: um well historic groundwater levels and the observation wells for aquifer range from stable

[0:28:52] Voice 12: to moderate decline with one increase the observation wells this year are overall below

[0:28:57] Voice 12: normal uh so i think that's been reported in the sounder um there was a grant they granted

[0:29:07] Voice 12: to the statutory right-of-way in the 707th Park to BC Hydro in Patelis. This is part

[0:29:14] Voice 12: of the Hydro Transmission Infrastructure Project, currently happening as part of the BC Ferry

[0:29:20] Voice 12: Electrification Project. BC Hydro will cover all the costs of establishing this statutory

[0:29:26] Voice 12: right-of-way. The addition of a multi-purpose recreation facility to the feasibility studies

[0:29:33] Voice 12: scope of the Parks and Recreation project. So this year that comprehensive plan is now

[0:29:41] Voice 12: adding into scope the feasibility of establishing a sports field in Gabriola. This project was

[0:29:48] Voice 12: always considered to be linked with the multi-purpose recreation facility project and both of these

[0:29:53] Voice 12: were identified as priorities in the Area B Parks and Trails Master Plan.

[0:30:00] Voice 12: motion to work on these projects together was recently supported by the board. The budget for

[0:30:05] Voice 12: the feasibility study is $232,892 funded by Growing Communities Funds, which is funding

[0:30:13] Voice 12: provided by the province to local government for infrastructure. Yay. Green burial projects.

[0:30:19] Voice 12: Really interesting to note and we should keep this in mind as we get into our OCP discussion.

[0:30:24] Voice 12: Another parks project is examining the feasibility of the RDN,

[0:30:28] Voice 12: assisting the Gabriel Island Memorial Society in acquiring land for a green burial cemetery.

[0:30:34] Voice 12: So we've got some proposed policies in the CP draft. Use of AI. The RDN board supported receiving a report on the current use of generative AI within the RDN

[0:30:46] Voice 12: and to develop draft policy options for the use of AI for the board's consideration.

[0:30:50] Voice 12: So as local governments, we're all watching what other local governments are doing.

[0:30:54] Voice 12: some are very shouldn't comment on it sorry that's her report community grants um congratulations to

[0:31:01] Voice 12: the gabriel island community hall association and the mudge island citizen society mix who are each

[0:31:08] Voice 12: awarded five thousand dollars in arnean community grants for their proposed projects the community

[0:31:13] Voice 12: hall will restore the fur floor and mix we use the funds to construct a sister shelter

[0:31:18] Voice 12: two more things um electoral area service committee received a verbal and written report

[0:31:25] Voice 12: from christina the executive director for people of a healthy committee which holds a contract for

[0:31:32] Voice 12: providing the health and well-being service on gabriola and then finally minister britney

[0:31:38] Voice 12: anderson's visit to gabriola um she has delighted to have the opportunity to organize a tour for

[0:31:45] Voice 12: Brittany Anderson, Minister of State for Local Governments and Rural Communities of BC.

[0:31:49] Voice 12: This is a very unique position. The minister doesn't have a portfolio other than being a liaison

[0:31:56] Voice 12: for local communities up to the provincial government. So she represents Nelson in the

[0:32:03] Voice 12: Kootenays area and so she came for a tour with MLA Sheila Malcolmson and they visited the Ferry

[0:32:11] Voice 12: hill project uh the gertie they were chauffeured by gertie stopped at huxley park to have a tour

[0:32:21] Voice 12: of the park highlighting skate park went to paisley place and had a tour of some of the houses

[0:32:26] Voice 12: and i went to the ambulance station and then the final stop was at the commons and phc's

[0:32:33] Voice 12: facilities so and then she's got a list of the next meetings so the next one is rdm's regular

[0:32:39] Voice 12: board meeting is on July 28th. Thank you.

[0:32:42] Voice 8: Thank you. You

[0:32:44] Voice 11: did, Vanessa, right? Again,

[0:32:47] Voice 11: powerful team here for Gabriel. Are there

[0:32:52] Voice 12: any First Nations reports that you've covered?

[0:32:55] Voice 12: I did, I can share, I did have a meeting with one council member and some of their staff from

[0:33:05] Voice 12: the lands team to sort of talk about conservancy's work and really linking them with our staff

[0:33:13] Voice 12: to talk about how monitoring and um like they're they're very actually interested in brickyard

[0:33:20] Voice 12: beach and and the clown bed that's called the bar so staff may want to follow up directly with

[0:33:28] Voice 12: their new LANDS director Wolfgang, well sorry that's LANDS but they yeah so I

[0:33:35] Voice 12: can I can follow up with you but they're they're interested in managing and

[0:33:40] Voice 12: advancing conversations about the clan beds

[0:33:44] Voice 12: and they routinely monitor those

[0:33:48] Voice 12: waters for compliance. One of the conversations that came up at Ocean's

[0:33:53] Voice 12: day was to actually request reports because they do regular testing of water quality and

[0:34:01] Voice 12: and the mussels like the shellfish and they send those to DFO and those reports could come to our

[0:34:07] Voice 12: LTC agendas potentially for our community's information so they're actively monitoring

[0:34:13] Voice 12: the marine and foreshore and I think folks every summer get concerned when we see harvesting

[0:34:19] Voice 12: harvesting not knowing is this you know is this permitted do we need more signage so there is a

[0:34:25] Voice 12: conversation about signage education and then bringing information back about uh the the health

[0:34:31] Voice 12: of the the clan bed so um that was sort of a i don't know if that qualifies as a first nation

[0:34:39] Voice 12: report but i'm trying to talk um talk to somebody who may be able to get some reports for our

[0:34:45] Voice 12: agendas so yeah that would be really helpful to have those dmv reports because a year ago we had

[0:34:51] Voice 12: someone from a member of the public requesting that we look into brickyard beach and the health

[0:34:58] Voice 12: of brickyard beach and could we

[0:35:00] Voice 12: find out any information about brickyard beach and we really

[0:35:04] Voice 12: didn't get anywhere did we i

[0:35:05] Voice 12: mean i know you asked i know staff did ask um so maybe if the marine

[0:35:10] Voice 12: division of SNNIMC can help us get those reports and then just have them as a regular addition

[0:35:16] Voice 12: you

[0:35:17] Voice 8: know to our agenda

[0:35:17] Voice 12: that would be really helpful

[0:35:18] Voice 8: yeah

[0:35:20] Voice 12: well that sub area 17 is one that

[0:35:23] Voice 12: is routinely monitored I've done I've learned a lot about a little monitoring it's done in other

[0:35:28] Voice 12: areas so we're super lucky but I think my understanding is they provide the test the

[0:35:34] Voice 12: reporting or materials to dfo for testing and then that information that comes back could be

[0:35:41] Voice 12: made available on our agendas so that that's that great

[0:35:47] Voice 11: thank you very much all right we are now at

[0:35:50] Voice 6: the public comment period as chair my responsibility to share with the local trustees is to ensure that

[0:35:58] Voice 6: this meeting is a respectful inclusive and culturally safe space for everyone

[0:36:02] Voice 6: one. This means that we will speak respectfully, we will acknowledge concerns and questions without

[0:36:08] Voice 6: causing harm, and we uphold cultural safety. We will keep this conversation constructive and

[0:36:17] Voice 6: I want to thank everyone in advance for helping us to create a respectful and

[0:36:22] Voice 11: productive environment

[0:36:23] Voice 11: in which all participants feel safe, valued, and able to participate fully. The public comment

[0:36:30] Voice 11: Comment

[0:36:30] Voice 6: period is your opportunity to speak.

[0:36:32] Voice 6: We do want to hear your questions and comments at this time.

[0:36:34] Voice 6: Later in the agenda, we will be discussing various topics and making decisions.

[0:36:39] Voice 6: Your questions and comments are valued, and they help us make good decisions.

[0:36:44] Voice 6: Some of you may have questions about some recent court cases,

[0:36:47] Voice 6: court decisions.

[0:36:49] Voice 6: Please understand, we will do our best

[0:36:51] Voice 11: to answer questions,

[0:36:52] Voice 11: but things are before courts, so we will be limiting some of our answers.

[0:37:00] Voice 6: If you are an applicant, you will have time to talk about your application later in the

[0:37:07] Voice 6: agenda.

[0:37:09] Voice 6: If you have comments about an application, this is the time we want to hear from you.

[0:37:16] Voice 6: When addressing the local trust committee, we request that you direct your comments to

[0:37:21] Voice 6: to the three of us, not the audience or staff.

[0:37:26] Voice 6: Speak about issues, not individuals.

[0:37:29] Voice 6: Be clear, concise, and respectful as I know you will be.

[0:37:33] Voice 6: We do not clap, we do not boo.

[0:37:35] Voice 6: We want everyone to feel comfortable

[0:37:37] Voice 6: to when they're speaking that we're listening to them.

[0:37:41] Voice 6: So with that, I open up the public comment period.

[0:37:45] Voice 6: I'm not gonna run a timer,

[0:37:47] Voice 6: but I may ask you to wrap up if you're carrying on.

[0:37:51] Voice 6: and uh and if you could just begin by stating your name so how many would like to talk to us today

[0:37:56] Voice 6: i see a few all right i'm going to start in the back and come forward if that's okay

[0:38:03] Voice 6: so let me start in the back hi

[0:38:05] Voice 12: my name is sybil trey and uh today i'm speaking as a board member

[0:38:09] Voice 12: and the president of the gabriel island land stewards society and we appreciate being able

[0:38:15] Voice 12: to live and do our volunteer work and appear on the territory of the same information.

[0:38:23] Voice 12: We will be preparing a formal submission on the draft OCP by the July 31st deadline,

[0:38:30] Voice 12: but we need more time for the deeper conversation, particularly about the flexible housing

[0:38:36] Voice 12: questions, looking at different lot sizes, the concept of a total maximum floor area,

[0:38:44] Voice 12: the identification of freshwater hazard areas and specifics on agricultural land.

[0:38:49] Voice 12: So I can talk about some other things,

[0:38:51] Voice 12: try to get sort of ahead of the ball a little bit.

[0:38:54] Voice 12: We have a meeting set up for before the end of the month and we will be providing a formal report,

[0:39:01] Voice 12: including covering those issues at that point.

[0:39:04] Voice 12: But this is what I can raise right now.

[0:39:08] Voice 12: I'm just hopefully that's helpful in your process because I know you're doing a lot of work on the

[0:39:14] Voice 12: official community plan and keeping on working on the changes so that

[0:39:17] Voice 10: you're ready for the first readings.

[0:39:19] Voice 10: So

[0:39:20] Voice 12: the first one is in policies 2.3.1.1 and 2.4.3.10 and

[0:39:29] Voice 12: that's when they're both talking about the secondary commercial nodes and

[0:39:34] Voice 12: And what we're just recommending is that you develop a clear and transparent process for designating what are those secondary commercial nodes so that people know ahead of time what that might look like, what is needed for it to be considered a secondary commercial node.

[0:39:55] Voice 12: The second one is Policy 2.8, which is the Temporary Use Permit Policies.

[0:40:03] Voice 12: And we're actually looking at, rather than removing all exemptions from the Official Community Plan,

[0:40:11] Voice 12: we'd like to encourage you to add a section that makes it clear that farmers are exempt from reapplying for a GDP after three years,

[0:40:24] Voice 12: and exempt from any limit in a number of years they have a temporary use permit as long as they

[0:40:31] Voice 12: maintain farm status and really the rationale behind that is often it makes it possible for

[0:40:40] Voice 12: some people to be able to afford to farm you know the i've lived in a lot of farming communities

[0:40:46] Voice 12: where they talk about somebody in family has an off-farm job in order to afford to keep the farm

[0:40:52] Voice 12: money so being able to have a secondary housing that they can rent that's another way to have

[0:40:59] Voice 12: that income coming in to help support the farm and we really feel we need this kind of incentive

[0:41:06] Voice 12: to increase food security on the areola and such a farming specific advantage would be

[0:41:14] Voice 12: could be part of future proofing the OCP and one thing we're not sure about is how to distinguish

[0:41:21] Voice 12: between farmers who are growing food

[0:41:23] Voice 12: and people who are just growing hay.

[0:41:26] Voice 12: So if you have ideas about how that,

[0:41:29] Voice 12: because it's really about food security,

[0:41:31] Voice 12: growing food and helping farmers be able to do that.

[0:41:36] Voice 12: And then the last thing is to add a definition

[0:41:40] Voice 12: of what small scale secondary commercial uses are.

[0:41:45] Voice 12: And that's in quality 2.2.5.9.

[0:41:50] Voice 12: just again if there's clarity around what that is that would be really helpful thank you very much

[0:41:59] Voice 12: just a quick question while you're here sybil and while we have our ocb planner

[0:42:04] Voice 12: planner chadwick here normally we use temporary use permits for a temporary thing and they can be

[0:42:11] Voice 12: you know renewed a couple times and then and and then at that point if it looks like that thing

[0:42:17] Voice 12: should be permanent um usually the applicant applies for rezoning so that then the public

[0:42:23] Voice 12: has a say yeah okay this is good and going for six years should be permanent so um i have a question

[0:42:29] Voice 12: for planner chadwick if there's some kind of exemption from the temporary reuse thing for

[0:42:35] Voice 12: something that really probably shouldn't be temporary how do we deal with that um you know

[0:42:42] Voice 12: if they're doing state right up front maybe this should be a different zone or just uh any ideas

[0:42:50] Voice 8: so

[0:42:51] Voice 12: i mean just sort of my top of mind thoughts on this i think it uh it might be challenging to put

[0:42:59] Voice 12: a policy that would exempt the the process with respect to this and um is that it the temporary

[0:43:06] Voice 12: use permit is essentially an opportunity to test drive and use and if the uses seem to be fine

[0:43:14] Voice 12: then uh then it's a rezoning and it can be an ltc uh driven or supported rezoning so it doesn't

[0:43:23] Voice 12: necessarily require a rezoning um application um i mean we can we can have a look at this but um

[0:43:30] Voice 12: i mean i think there may be a challenge with putting a policy for exemptions

[0:43:34] Voice 12: because you don't have that opportunity to sort of revisit the use and make whatever kind of changes you may want to make to the use to enable it to be permanent.

[0:43:46] Voice 12: So, I mean, it's worth thinking about, but I think there may be a challenge with putting a policy specifically to that.

[0:43:55] Voice 12: May I respond?

[0:43:58] Voice 12: Thank you, sure.

[0:43:58] Voice 12: So one concern we would have is if you have to rezone in order to have it permanent, then the zoning changes for the land, whether you're farming or not.

[0:44:12] Voice 12: And we're wanting to see that this extended temporary lease permit or whatever is the appropriate mechanism is only if you're farming.

[0:44:22] Voice 12: I don't know how you do that.

[0:44:25] Voice 12: Changing the zone might make that difficult.

[0:44:28] Voice 12: So, yeah, I mean, I think there could be ways with the rezoning to specify that it is a use that is supporting farming or is related to farming.

[0:44:42] Voice 12: But that would be something. But again, I think that would be something that you'd have to kind of figure out when you get to that place of deciding that it should be a permanent use.

[0:44:51] Voice 12: um yeah and then how expensive is it for a farmer to go through that rezoning process well like i

[0:45:00] Voice 12: say if it's something that the community wants and that the local trust committee is supportive of

[0:45:05] Voice 12: it can be a local trust committee uh project essentially thank

[0:45:11] Voice 11: you for raising that these

[0:45:12] Voice 11: are good good things to think of that's uh was there someone else in the back row that wanted

[0:45:17] Voice 11: to speak to us there so i'm going to move to the center i think a couple of hands up here in the

[0:45:22] Voice 11: the center row. Go ahead.

[0:45:24] Voice 10: Yeah, I'm Rob Stevenson. I'm one of the trustees of the

[0:45:28] Voice 10: Bigola Commons. And I am working on the covenant. The reason I

[0:45:36] Voice 10: will bring up here is because we are asking the trust to service

[0:45:39] Voice 10: the covenant folder. And that covenant folder actually holds

[0:45:43] Voice 10: the account of the promises we're making to be stewards of

[0:45:47] Voice 10: the covenant. So there's a number of specifics on this

[0:45:53] Voice 10: that we're going to go through, but we have a draft covenant that's nearly finalized, and we've

[0:46:01] Voice 10: made some of the admissions about that. In fact, previously the Commons was strictly for non-profit

[0:46:09] Voice 10: activities, but we also recognize that there's some for-profit activities that happen in the

[0:46:14] Voice 10: Commons. We welcome that as long as it's consistent with stewardship of the environment and agriculture.

[0:46:19] Voice 10: culture. Examples of for-profit things would be local positions or the circumspects of

[0:46:26] Voice 10: that sort of thing. It's not big business. Part of the covenant is kind of a bit of a

[0:46:35] Voice 10: tentacle approach, where there's a stewardship plan of how we're going to maintain that

[0:46:41] Voice 10: stewardship and also an ongoing reporting function back to the covenant holder,

[0:46:46] Voice 10: are effectively to hold us to account when it comes to linking and the idea on that spiritual

[0:46:52] Voice 10: report is that there are statistically measurable parameters to justify that better of the process

[0:46:58] Voice 10: versus the millionth direction and so those we're trying to be as descriptive in general

[0:47:04] Voice 10: but not what we think is possible in terms of all these documents and these will be ready

[0:47:10] Voice 10: for the Audit's trust review prior to the September 3rd meeting, and hopefully this will clarify the roles and responsibilities of the covenant holder that you requested.

[0:47:22] Voice 10: We also would ask for a meeting prior to that time, looking at specifically what the, what are the goals, and specifically what the covenant holder would be.

[0:47:34] Voice 10: We're part of the land reserve and we have a deadline of next July to submit all these

[0:47:42] Voice 10: documents and have all the keys crossed and I started and so we have basically been there

[0:47:49] Voice 10: to do that.

[0:47:49] Voice 10: There's a series of reviews we've gone back and forth with Steve, but we have a timeline

[0:47:58] Voice 10: that's doable.

[0:47:58] Voice 10: but tight. So we'll get these documents to the LTC as quickly as we can, if we have time for review before then.

[0:48:11] Voice 12: Just one quick question, Rob. Thank you. You're looking for a meeting prior to September 3rd. Did you mean a meeting with the staff?

[0:48:20] Voice 12: Well, Toby actually volunteered a meeting with one of you.

[0:48:25] Voice 12: oh okay trustees yeah because I think the discussion about what was lacking in

[0:48:29] Voice 12: stewardship plan part of the submission last time was not clear to you and we

[0:48:36] Voice 12: want to know what you want and she recommended that so I realized how busy

[0:48:41] Voice 12: you are having just heard your reports but just even half an hour of being

[0:48:47] Voice 12: specific would be very helpful so that way you would get what you want can we

[0:48:54] Voice 12: Can we help staff support that meeting because that would be good to, if we're talking roles and responsibilities, to understand, be very clear about what the LTC can and can't do, so that I'm not promising or under-delivering on the potential to be a covenant holder.

[0:49:16] Voice 9: Yeah, I think we can find a time that that's

[0:49:22] Voice 10: possible.

[0:49:23] Voice 10: Yeah. Thank you. Great. Thank

[0:49:28] Voice 11: you so much.

[0:49:31] Voice 11: I mean, someone else in the middle row first, in the middle row.

[0:49:36] Voice 11: I'll start in the front row, and I know I saw you had your hand up.

[0:49:40] Voice 7: Yes, I just wanted to, first of all, thank you for the decorum with which you operate these meetings.

[0:49:48] Voice 7: it's appreciated and I also want to thank you all of you and our nominator Catherine Malloy

[0:49:55] Voice 7: for the community stewardship award just a note of interest based on both of the trustees

[0:50:03] Voice 7: reports is that it's my understanding unfortunately now breaking banning but

[0:50:10] Voice 7: another impartial non-partisan organization here on Gabriela is planning on having

[0:50:16] Voice 7: having former MLA Adam Olson come and speak on, in particular, the Cowichan decision,

[0:50:26] Voice 7: which I think will be very, very interesting for we Islanders.

[0:50:32] Voice 7: I've heard Adam speak previously, and he's very articulate.

[0:50:37] Voice 7: He was actually speaking with former legal minister.

[0:50:45] Voice 7: justice justice justice no no

[0:50:49] Voice 7: ag former ag andrew petter and um jeff plant and they presented a

[0:50:56] Voice 7: wonderful wonderful presentation on all of the court cases so i am i can't speak on behalf of

[0:51:02] Voice 7: the organization that is planning that but they're looking at something for september and i think

[0:51:07] Voice 7: that'll be interesting for many many gabriel's and with respect to unseated i also have purchased a

[0:51:14] Voice 7: copy of that and there is some hope that at some point we can bring george abbott to um our island

[0:51:22] Voice 7: to speak on it mind you we're a small island and he is treaty commissioner so you know it's not a

[0:51:28] Voice 7: sure thing but it's one of the things that islanders are interested in i just wanted to

[0:51:32] Voice 7: share that thank you thank you i

[0:51:34] Voice 11: very much

[0:51:35] Voice 6: appreciate uh hermalade adam olson he is

[0:51:38] Voice 6: very very articulate and he's really getting himself out there coming to the communities

[0:51:44] Voice 6: He came to Salt Spring,

[0:51:45] Voice 11: and he just really speaks to all of us, answers questions, and just brings calm and level-headedness to these conversations.

[0:51:54] Voice 11: So I'm glad that he'll be able to come.

[0:51:59] Voice 11: Thank you.

[0:52:00] Voice 11: All right.

[0:52:01] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:52:03] Voice 4: My name is Dennis Hoy.

[0:52:07] Voice 4: I live at 3395 South Road, Silver Bay, next door to Silver Bay Resort.

[0:52:12] Voice 4: I am here today to express my support for Silver Bay Resort and to speak about the very important

[0:52:19] Voice 4: issue of water service. My family has been part of the Silver Bay community for a long time.

[0:52:26] Voice 4: We purchased our property in 1960 and I built my home in 1983. For more than 43 years I have

[0:52:35] Voice 4: received water at the grace of probably four owners of Silver Bay Resort. Now after all these

[0:52:42] Voice 4: years I'm facing the possibility of losing access to that water service. Like many others I'm deeply

[0:52:48] Voice 4: concerned. Water is not a luxury, it is essential to our daily lives. My hope is that we can find

[0:52:56] Voice 4: solutions that protect the people who have relied on this system for decades while also addressing

[0:53:02] Voice 4: the concerns that have been raised. When this issue arose I wanted to better understand what

[0:53:09] Voice 4: the Gabriel community thought about the future of Silver Bay, Silver Bay Resort that is. I took

[0:53:17] Voice 4: the Silver Bay petition to two Saturday markets and one Sunday market next door to Silver Bay

[0:53:23] Voice 4: and spoke directly with residents of Gabriel. I personally collected 138 signatures from

[0:53:30] Voice 4: Gabriel residents who expressed their support in seeing development move forward at Silver Bay.

[0:53:36] Voice 4: Since then, I understand that more than 1,400 people have signed in support of Silver Bay

[0:53:43] Voice 4: Resort.

[0:53:44] Voice 4: What stood out to me the most was not only the strong support for the resort, but also

[0:53:51] Voice 4: the desire for a more collaborative approach to resolving the challenges.

[0:53:56] Voice 4: Many residents told me they would like to see greater cooperation among all parties

[0:54:01] Voice 4: involved.

[0:54:02] Voice 4: involved. They express concerns about resources being spent on disputes and legal proceedings

[0:54:08] Voice 4: when those same efforts might be better directed towards finding practical solutions that benefit

[0:54:14] Voice 4: the entire community. I believe it is fair to ask whether there is an opportunity for

[0:54:20] Voice 4: greater dialogue and mediation as we move forward. We are all members of the same community.

[0:54:26] Voice 4: We all care about Gabriela Island and want what is best for its residents.

[0:54:33] Voice 4: Lasting solutions are found when people come together and they listen respectfully and work toward shared goals.

[0:54:41] Voice 4: Island Trust is made up of elected representatives, and their important role is to listen to the community,

[0:54:48] Voice 4: balance diverse interests, and help guide solutions that serve the public good.

[0:54:55] Voice 4: The message I heard at those markets was clear.

[0:54:57] Voice 4: People want cooperation. They want progress. They want practical solutions that support residences, businesses, and the long-term future of Silver Bay.

[0:55:10] Voice 4: I have a heart in Silver Bay. I grew up there all my life. Water security is one of the most important issues any community can face.

[0:55:19] Voice 4: I believe we all share the same goal, to ensure reliable water access while creating

[0:55:26] Voice 4: a positive path forward for everyone involved. Let us focus on working together to protect water

[0:55:33] Voice 4: access, support our neighbours and build a future in which Silver Bay Resort and the surrounding

[0:55:40] Voice 4: community can continue to thrive. Thank you for your time and your commitment to our community.

[0:55:51] Voice 8: Quick

[0:55:53] Voice 12: question. Thank you, Dennis.

[0:55:55] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:55:56] Voice 12: I'm not clear on the threat to your water supply.

[0:56:02] Voice 4: So Silver Bay, many years ago, Silver Bay Resort bought property 500 meters up the road

[0:56:09] Voice 4: on the opposite side of the road to the ocean, away from the saltwater.

[0:56:17] Voice 4: They had been piping water down to their resort all this time.

[0:56:22] Voice 4: you probably

[0:56:23] Voice 4: know that i

[0:56:23] Voice 8: do they

[0:56:25] Voice 4: crossed my property with their water line and when i built

[0:56:28] Voice 4: i said good neighbor policy don't move that line let me tap into your water supply and at their

[0:56:36] Voice 4: grace i have been getting very good water supply which we cherish which we don't waste which i have

[0:56:45] Voice 4: come up with different solutions to try and preserve the water for example i had a cedar

[0:56:51] Voice 4: a roof put a drinking roof a metal roof on which no one should argue about that i put cisterns in

[0:56:59] Voice 4: to collect especially in the winter so you can go through the drought

[0:57:05] Voice 4: i'm thinking that island trust could focus on you're focusing on water i'm looking at

[0:57:11] Voice 4: multiple water sources and one thing that we haven't really focused on is recycling gray water

[0:57:17] Voice 4: water. Any new construction should have no problem with a metal roof or some roof that you can

[0:57:23] Voice 4: collect water with cisterns being built into the project. If I was ever to rebuild, I'd be looking

[0:57:30] Voice 4: at collecting gray water and that would be my toilet water. And there's misinformation. And so

[0:57:38] Voice 4: I've heard that desalination is not an option. I don't know if that's true. And that's a question

[0:57:42] Voice 4: I have. Why can't we have a combination of efforts so that everybody works together? And

[0:57:48] Voice 4: And neighbors shouldn't be fighting neighbors.

[0:57:49] Voice 4: Neighbors should be helping neighbors.

[0:57:52] Voice 4: My example of that is I got a phone call from the float plane one day.

[0:57:56] Voice 4: Their float plane broke a rudder cable.

[0:57:59] Voice 4: They called me.

[0:58:00] Voice 4: There's a full complement of people on the float plane.

[0:58:02] Voice 4: It was drifting to the rocks.

[0:58:04] Voice 4: It was going to, there was going to be a problem.

[0:58:07] Voice 4: They called me.

[0:58:08] Voice 4: I had a Zodiac.

[0:58:08] Voice 4: It went out with my toolkit.

[0:58:10] Voice 4: I towed it away from the rocks.

[0:58:12] Voice 4: I did a temporary fix of their cable.

[0:58:15] Voice 4: They flew to Vancouver and got it fixed.

[0:58:18] Voice 4: Neighbours help neighbours, they don't fight neighbours.

[0:58:23] Voice 4: So

[0:58:24] Voice 12: just can I follow up on the question,

[0:58:27] Voice 12: because I want to focus on the point that you're making

[0:58:30] Voice 12: about your water use, which I think you as a resident are entirely entitled to know,

[0:58:34] Voice 12: and ask a question of staff. So in the Local Government Act Part 14, Non-conforming Uses,

[0:58:43] Voice 12: the authority to continue use section 528 describes um when a land use bylaw is introduced

[0:58:52] Voice 12: any uses that were prior to land use bylaw are able to be continued now i guess the question

[0:58:59] Voice 12: is and i would invite you to actually have a meeting with staff to clarify whether a residential

[0:59:04] Voice 12: of use that is tapped into that water supply if that has been continuous is probably i mean my

[0:59:14] Voice 12: reading of it is allowed to continue that is not under threat the the challenge is if a use is

[0:59:22] Voice 12: discontinued for more than six months that then is deemed no longer has that protection to be able

[0:59:31] Voice 12: to be non

[0:59:31] Voice 12: -conforming so this is called lawful non-conforming protection and so it's about

[0:59:36] Voice 12: use like an activity that predated a land use bylaw or a structure on the land that predated

[0:59:44] Voice 12: the land use bylaw and so i can't speak to the matters that are under uh you know before the

[0:59:51] Voice 12: courts right now um but i would invite you to talk to a planner about specifically whether

[0:59:57] Voice 12: whether you're residential.

[1:00:00] Voice 12: of that water is actually compromised because that may not be true

[1:00:04] Voice 4: we're

[1:00:06] Voice 4: taken so I should talk to the water

[1:00:08] Voice 12: is

[1:00:11] Voice 4: coming from a well yeah which is

[1:00:15] Voice 4: residential it comes down to the commercial property and sits in their

[1:00:20] Voice 4: cisterns then comes down and I tap into it

[1:00:23] Voice 12: that's what you need to talk to a

[1:00:25] Voice 12: planner okay

[1:00:26] Voice 12: so we can't give advice in this

[1:00:28] Voice 4: any particular planner well

[1:00:30] Voice 12: everyone sitting at this

[1:00:31] Voice 12: table is qualified and just and thank thank you trustee elliott i'm really glad you brought that

[1:00:39] Voice 12: up um the other point that you make about um collecting water and conserving water our draft

[1:00:46] Voice 12: official community plan has a lot of that

[1:00:49] Voice 8: in

[1:00:50] Voice 12: it about how all new builds should require cisterns

[1:00:54] Voice 12: all they potentially potentially yeah potentially it's a draft yeah um and whether or not it's

[1:01:02] Voice 12: rainwater system is another question but we won't figure that all out but just have the system

[1:01:09] Voice 4: is there any talk about introducing collecting gray water and reusing that

[1:01:16] Voice 12: that's a different

[1:01:17] Voice 12: that's the island health department and yes we we talk about i talk about that a lot with

[1:01:22] Voice 12: friends and neighbors um the use of gray water is strictly governed by island health and there

[1:01:29] Voice 12: are there definitely are households on gabriel that are making great use of their green water

[1:01:34] Voice 12: it's it's a system that have to be engineered engineered yeah but i i mean i i guess staff

[1:01:42] Voice 12: can answer to this but when we're creating when you draft policy and it has other regulationers

[1:01:48] Voice 12: or other acts the policy will say for instance subject to the maintenance requirements of island

[1:01:55] Voice 12: health and so if there was a rainwater system i don't know if island health has like they received

[1:02:04] Voice 12: filings for those it would have to be it would have to be mandated out of that yeah but i think

[1:02:10] Voice 12: that's a good question like we can ask whether rainwater systems that would be following island

[1:02:17] Voice 12: and health regulations could be part of the building doctor just yeah yeah i i so the

[1:02:23] Voice 12: green water system would i said that that would be related to building permit right so on whatever

[1:02:29] Voice 12: system you can go through um the uh the regional district's processes to ensure that it's something

[1:02:36] Voice 12: so um they would have their checks and balances related to other other jurisdictions so uh that's

[1:02:44] Voice 12: it would be it would be a difficult thing for the island's trust to it's not it's it's the

[1:02:50] Voice 12: regulation of um of the gray water system would be outside the requirement of it i think is for

[1:02:58] Voice 12: for um residential single residential with we don't really have tools to require i mean there

[1:03:07] Voice 12: may be an opportunity in like, for example, development permit

[1:03:13] Voice 12: area is to

[1:03:14] Voice 10: care for multi unit, but I'm not sure whether that

[1:03:22] Voice 10: would, whether it could apply to

[1:03:25] Voice 12: everyone. So it's, it's, it's

[1:03:28] Voice 12: kind of unfortunate. And then there's nothing that would be

[1:03:34] Voice 12: stopping and going from telling it um themselves but but it would be a challenge there are there

[1:03:42] Voice 12: aren't tools available to the

[1:03:44] Voice 10: island's trust to be able to require it but

[1:03:49] Voice 4: someone that already has

[1:03:50] Voice 4: a building there could look at creating a grey water system to operate their toilets and reuse

[1:03:58] Voice 4: that water

[1:03:58] Voice 12: yeah so that could be an option though because there's nothing in our advocacy section

[1:04:05] Voice 12: about encouraging um actually about water use there there's probably a section needed in the

[1:04:13] Voice 12: back which 4.4 this advocacy so maybe we can bullet that for conversation later um advocating

[1:04:20] Voice 12: to other agencies and that you know working towards building permits should encourage or

[1:04:29] Voice 12: something about community education water

[1:04:32] Voice 4: it'd be great to have some sort of a plan that would

[1:04:34] Voice 4: have sort of a route for an owner of property right now to change over to that if there was

[1:04:42] Voice 4: some way of doing that fairly simply i mean i think it's just it's plumbing and so i think

[1:04:47] Voice 12: you have to talk to folks who there's a balance of regulating too much versus you know landowners

[1:04:53] Voice 12: choosing to do what they what they want and so we can have a conversation about what policy can set

[1:05:00] Voice 12: out in terms of encouraging um certain activities uh that's what advocacy is for but we're the the

[1:05:08] Voice 12: real live conversation i think for this ltc is how do we regulate what's strictly required to

[1:05:14] Voice 12: regulate what is what might we regulate and what is going to be you know quite onerous for property

[1:05:21] Voice 12: owners so

[1:05:22] Voice 4: i cringe every time we flush the toilet with good water i'm down here so on the other hand

[1:05:27] Voice 4: there what about desalination there's misinformation yeah there's

[1:05:31] Voice 4: a lot of information i'd like to talk

[1:05:33] Voice 4: to that in a moment but what about desalination someone says it's not allowed on gabriel it's not

[1:05:39] Voice 4: loud here can anyone tell me what's what's sexual a little

[1:05:44] Voice 12: bit of history maybe chair patrick you

[1:05:47] Voice 12: know better but the the proposed ban on desalination plants which came out of the

[1:05:54] Voice 12: previous trust council's term in regard to the policy statement draft so this draft is not yet

[1:05:59] Voice 12: law so it's not a bylaw so the policy statement is the motherhood statement for all of our

[1:06:06] Voice 12: communities ocps and in the previous iteration there was a conversation about banning desalination

[1:06:14] Voice 12: plants that went out to the public for public comment and there was a very strong reaction

[1:06:19] Voice 12: against it and i don't believe that's not in this that's not made it into the current draft

[1:06:25] Voice 12: and so there's and i don't know maybe staff can say if there's any ban on there isn't a ban on

[1:06:31] Voice 12: desalination plants in in our current OCP or in the ones that were considered this doesn't speak to the building at all.

[1:06:38] Voice 12: So that

[1:06:40] Voice 4: an option because the Caribbean uses that.

[1:06:42] Voice 12: Dubai is entirely like it gets its water from Dubai.

[1:06:49] Voice 4: So

[1:06:49] Voice 12: there's nothing in our documents that that is banning or prohibiting that.

[1:06:54] Voice 12: Just so maybe to help wrap it up, but the point is Silva Bay Resorts has not made an application.

[1:07:01] Voice 12: to the islands trust when they make an application despite all the public information out there but

[1:07:08] Voice 12: what they want to do there is no application when they make an application if they do they

[1:07:16] Voice 12: could suggest anything just as what you've talked about any of those possibilities

[1:07:21] Voice 3: it

[1:07:22] Voice 12: would then be

[1:07:23] Voice 12: discussed with the planners to see what's possible it isn't it would then probably come to a community

[1:07:28] Voice 12: the information meeting and at some point it would there would be a public hearing to see

[1:07:34] Voice 12: if this community wants whatever it is they propose to do all of their proposals are plans

[1:07:43] Voice 12: that have never been never come to us there we have nothing to work with the only thing that

[1:07:50] Voice 12: we've ever had to work with with silver bay resorts is the small boat ways that replaced

[1:07:56] Voice 12: place the large boat ways a few months ago and we happily approved because we had an application

[1:08:02] Voice 12: so and my understanding is the zoning is there for most of the activities that are so I don't

[1:08:11] Voice 12: even know what an application even and if they can do everything within the zone

[1:08:18] Voice 9: well yeah we could look we have a penchant to propose I suppose but but yeah if it's

[1:08:23] Voice 9: is consistent with the zoning then it's likely a building permit if there's any development permit

[1:08:28] Voice 9: areas there might be in the marine area there i don't know if it is on the land then we might

[1:08:32] Voice 9: see a development permit as well but um

[1:08:37] Voice 12: yeah it's up to them to come up with ways to produce enough

[1:08:40] Voice 12: water to supply whatever it is they want to do without compromising the people who live there

[1:08:48] Voice 12: all right wait wait for plans thank you was there something in the

[1:08:53] Voice 11: front row that wanted to speak

[1:08:58] Voice 11: Anyone else today?

[1:09:03] Voice 4: Suggestion?

[1:09:04] Voice 4: Sure.

[1:09:07] Voice 4: There seems to be, where is it here?

[1:09:10] Voice 4: Gabriel Island, home of misinformation, island of rumors.

[1:09:16] Voice 4: So that's just my interpretation.

[1:09:19] Voice 4: Of course, could Island Trust, on your information to the public,

[1:09:25] Voice 4: make it as simple and easy as possible and take out all the 10 cent words

[1:09:30] Voice 4: and just leave the $1.49 words and be point specific so that, I don't know, a grade six or

[1:09:38] Voice 4: seven year old can read it and understand it. And we can take away points, you know,

[1:09:42] Voice 4: the important things. And it's just seen this as so much misinformation. And

[1:09:48] Voice 4: that's part of the

[1:09:49] Voice 4: island. That's just a...

[1:09:53] Voice 6: Well, thank you. I think there's some stiff competition as to which island

[1:09:57] Voice 6: the islands trust is uh it's sort of a time to get the staff

[1:10:05] Voice 3: it's

[1:10:06] Voice 6: the time i think we all agree communications needs to be better tell you the trustees and staff

[1:10:12] Voice 6: are i think that's one of the positions that was funded this year as a manager of communications

[1:10:17] Voice 6: and really upping that that that is the antidote to this misinformation period that we are finding

[1:10:24] Voice 6: ourselves in is we have to get better at communicating clearly

[1:10:28] Voice 3: so yes

[1:10:30] Voice 6: so we agree

[1:10:31] Voice 6: and we're

[1:10:32] Voice 11: taking efforts to to be better you know we can be even more better

[1:10:37] Voice 12: yeah I think

[1:10:38] Voice 12: just in respect to that and I've heard this a lot that island stress is not communicating well

[1:10:43] Voice 12: or we can't in a timely way address all the stuff that's coming up um it was something I first heard

[1:10:50] Voice 12: when i came into office we lack a two-way communication portal so that people can ask

[1:10:56] Voice 12: questions and get answers so um our cao has recognized that the chief administrative officer

[1:11:03] Voice 12: and his strength is in communications and i think most of the challenges that we face is not that

[1:11:09] Voice 12: we're not doing good work it's that it's not understood and plain language enough so that

[1:11:15] Voice 12: That has definitely been heard, and like the Chair said, there is a position now, and I think what I hope for is that there be tailored communication tools for each community, because everyone's different.

[1:11:27] Voice 12: Some actually use Facebook as the main source, and some do not use it at all. Some use social media, some do not. Some have newspapers, some do not. So we are dealing with 34,000 residents and multiple projects in many ways.

[1:11:42] Voice 12: and

[1:11:43] Voice 4: senior residents navigate that thing you're right

[1:11:47] Voice 4: yeah thank

[1:11:48] Voice 11: you that's a good

[1:11:50] Voice 11: appreciate it

[1:11:50] Voice 11: all right so thank you thank you today

[1:11:52] Voice 6: for your comments we do take them

[1:11:54] Voice 6: seriously and they do help us uh make better decisions so i'm going to move on and the agenda

[1:12:02] Voice 11: today um we have uh we're in the section six the minutes uh 6.1 is the minutes from our may 26th

[1:12:11] Voice 11: the meeting on page four of the agenda package. Are there any

[1:12:14] Voice 11: additions or changes to the minutes?

[1:12:22] Voice 12: Feel free to go. We're not gonna keep you here for the rest of

[1:12:27] Voice 12: it. Thanks for coming. Thank you. So I did have a

[1:12:32] Voice 12: thank you very much. Thanks.

[1:12:35] Voice 12: feel free

[1:12:37] Voice 12: to call us up if you

[1:12:38] Voice 8: want to yeah okay

[1:12:39] Voice 8: perfect um

[1:12:41] Voice 12: page 10 i know seven page seven in a

[1:12:46] Voice 12: minute at the very top um just the third bullet there may be unintended consequences of not

[1:12:54] Voice 12: required for that uh i just wonder if this could be amplified because the concerns that we raised

[1:13:03] Voice 12: were that the LTC might not have an opportunity to review a site plan, or it might require

[1:13:15] Voice 12: an additional service to develop siting and use, siting and use, what is it? What is that?

[1:13:23] Voice 12: Siting and use permit?

[1:13:25] Voice 12: Siting and use permit by the LTC. So it was like, there may be unintended consequences.

[1:13:29] Voice 12: to me that doesn't quite capture the intent was there what is the opportunity

[1:13:36] Voice 12: to review or would we have to create a different service for the LTC I don't

[1:13:43] Voice 12: know Lisa I'm through the chair if you could specify what you would like it to

[1:13:48] Voice 12: say okay to add on to the third bullet page seven of the minutes after not

[1:13:57] Voice 12: not required a permit, comma, such as no review of the sighting and use and use. I think that's

[1:14:12] Voice 11: really

[1:14:12] Voice 12: all you need.

[1:14:13] Voice 11: Yeah. So that's what today they're

[1:14:16] Voice 6: referred in the use and sightings looked

[1:14:20] Voice 6: at. All

[1:14:21] Voice 6: right.

[1:14:22] Voice 11: Okay. Any other changes? No. So can we approve the

[1:14:26] Voice 12: minutes as amended through

[1:14:28] Voice 12: general consent yes thank you and thank you to um leave some alert for you're just unbelievably good

[1:14:35] Voice 12: work on our sometimes garbled conversations right

[1:14:40] Voice 11: well that's going to move us on then to the

[1:14:42] Voice 11: follow-up action list at item 7.1 on page 14 of the agenda package are there any questions from

[1:14:48] Voice 11: trustees on any of the follow-up actions go ahead trustee yates i

[1:14:52] Voice 12: just had one with her planner bow

[1:14:54] Voice 12: on page three of the follow-up action list item number four and I think we might be waiting for

[1:15:04] Voice 12: William Shulbaugh to get back to us on this on staff report back with information about the

[1:15:10] Voice 12: groundwater license status associated with the address that address so it's

[1:15:17] Voice 12: got to be more than

[1:15:18] Voice 12: than zero percent, but maybe not.

[1:15:21] Voice 9: That one is assigned to William Sova

[1:15:24] Voice 9: and he may be in the meeting right now.

[1:15:26] Voice 9: So maybe he can provide a brief update if he's here.

[1:15:30] Voice 9: If not, I know that it's in progress.

[1:15:35] Voice 6: And I see him turning his camera on.

[1:15:38] Voice 6: So did you hear the question there?

[1:15:42] Voice 1: Hi, Chair.

[1:15:43] Voice 1: Can I get that question repeated to me, please?

[1:15:46] Voice 1: Thanks.

[1:15:46] Voice 12: Go ahead. Sure.

[1:15:47] Voice 12: it's on a follow-up action report number four information request staff report back

[1:15:54] Voice 12: with information about the groundwater license status associated with 3153 Wally Road

[1:16:02] Voice 12: is there a groundwater license at that address if there is what's happening um

[1:16:14] Voice 2: just for clarity this

[1:16:17] Voice 2: This is with regards to Summer Rain.

[1:16:21] Voice 12: Yes.

[1:16:22] Voice 2: Yes.

[1:16:23] Voice 2: So there was a freedom of information package that was requested by somebody, and we put that together.

[1:16:37] Voice 2: And so I spoke with bylaw enforcement manager, Warren Dingman, and he showed me it.

[1:16:53] Voice 2: And so I reviewed it.

[1:16:54] Voice 2: And in that package, there is the license application that was submitted during the transitional licensing time when the Water Sustainability Act was enacted in February of 2016.

[1:17:12] Voice 2: 2016, those non-domestic groundwater users from before the enactment of the Act had a window of

[1:17:23] Voice 2: opportunity to apply for a transitional existing water use license. And if those users put in

[1:17:32] Voice 2: their application and they operated as they have been, then that operation is lawful with respect

[1:17:40] Voice 2: to licensing. So even though they may have not received their license yet, their application,

[1:17:47] Voice 2: they have an application number and they've applied for it with a reasonable water volume that

[1:17:52] Voice 2: matches what their historical use is. So then by way of that, they are offering life lawful as it

[1:18:01] Voice 2: relates to the BC Water Stability Act and their groundwater licensing.

[1:18:07] Voice 2: Thank

[1:18:09] Voice 12: you very much, William. I guess the question arises as to they're operating lawfully according to the historical use prior to application to groundwater licensing.

[1:18:24] Voice 12: And because a groundwater license actually determines the conditions by which you operate, that is how much volume you can extract.

[1:18:35] Voice 12: um i think

[1:18:37] Voice 12: there are there are concerns about that because we've got our freshwater sustainability

[1:18:40] Voice 12: our freshwater footprint and one of the things in the footprint is how much water is being used in

[1:18:48] Voice 12: certain neighborhoods um so that we can determine you know various zoning requirements various

[1:18:56] Voice 12: whatever with regard to land use planning but if we don't know how much water is being extracted

[1:19:03] Voice 12: it even approximately in an area that has commercial use, we're missing some really

[1:19:11] Voice 12: important information. So there are, it's not my personal concern, it's been brought up a number

[1:19:16] Voice 12: of times, whether or not the current use relates at all to the historical use and how is that

[1:19:25] Voice 12: sort of, that's the word, monitored, I guess, by the Groundwater Licensing Branch.

[1:19:31] Voice 12: uh

[1:19:33] Voice 2: so through the chair um when uh when these existing users applied there was an initial

[1:19:42] Voice 2: screening and this is when the water authorizations was still with ministry of

[1:19:49] Voice 2: force and they had a bigger budget so they screened uh the major users that came from

[1:19:56] Voice 2: areas and even though this is a not a large amount of water compared to other industrial

[1:20:04] Voice 2: needs like across the province with respect to the island's trust area it's a significant amount

[1:20:10] Voice 2: of water so then they they would have reviewed it and so i've seen transitional licenses where

[1:20:18] Voice 2: the province immediately went back and said that your volumes don't make sense well what is this

[1:20:23] Voice 2: because they were actively engaging in people who were applying for licenses

[1:20:30] Voice 2: because they're trying to get the regime off the ground, the groundwater licensing.

[1:20:36] Voice 2: So in that case, I'm not sure if it was reviewed, their application.

[1:20:42] Voice 2: But to me, what they have applied for seems reasonable

[1:20:49] Voice 2: reasonable with respect to the amount of water that they would use for that commercial use.

[1:20:59] Voice 2: And so based on license volumes or estimated ones, we do have a general idea of how much

[1:21:11] Voice 2: water is allocated in an aquifer and that's located in the freshwater footprint project.

[1:21:19] Voice 2: how the licensing authorizations team places conditions on a license is dependent on what

[1:21:29] Voice 2: the license is and sometimes there is monitoring requirements and often there is not most

[1:21:35] Voice 2: transitional licenses didn't get any requirements beyond just their conditional license there's no

[1:21:44] Voice 2: monitoring requirement on many of the licenses across the island trust area thanks uh

[1:21:51] Voice 12: so second

[1:21:53] Voice 12: question and thank you for bringing this up rusty aids uh so the groundwater license doesn't cover

[1:22:00] Voice 12: uh water that is trucked in and then used as the business it is strictly for groundwater

[1:22:07] Voice 12: water use just clarifying it's

[1:22:12] Voice 2: uh through the chair a license is a you license the point of

[1:22:17] Voice 2: source like the point and not the point of use so um for a groundwater well that could be licensed

[1:22:25] Voice 2: and then if there's trucked water um almost in every case trucked water is a commercial use so

[1:22:34] Voice 2: So then the wherever that water is coming from would be a license source so say if it's

[1:22:40] Voice 2: coming from the NIMO lakes from the mainland on the ferry that that's a licensed water

[1:22:45] Voice 2: source for the city in NIMO.

[1:22:48] Voice 12: I have a follow up question that maybe you can answer during our OCP discussion William

[1:22:53] Voice 12: William, but I was wondering if there's a conversation with the RDN water protection

[1:23:02] Voice 12: group. Sorry, I've forgotten the name. What is it? The Drinking

[1:23:08] Voice 2: Water and Watershed Protection

[1:23:09] Voice 2: Program. And I sit

[1:23:11] Voice 2: on the technical advisory committee and we meet four times a year.

[1:23:15] Voice 2: Right.

[1:23:15] Voice 12: Okay. About whether the source water in Cedar will indefinitely continue to be available, or is there any conversation about, depending on, you know, water conditions on Vancouver Island, whether that might be limited for commercial users, such as those that are trucking on water to Cabriola.

[1:23:41] Voice 12: And we can maybe chat about that later, but it was something I wanted

[1:23:45] Voice 12: to raise with Vanessa Craig.

[1:23:47] Voice 2: Sure, through the chair, that's a good idea.

[1:23:50] Voice 2: I mean, Cedar is slated to be within a very intensive urban containment boundary, right?

[1:23:58] Voice 2: Like Cedar is going to be the next large community in that part of the island.

[1:24:03] Voice 2: um yeah so so there are a lot they're they're undertaking uh the rdn is undertaking that water

[1:24:11] Voice 2: budget i believe now they just finished french creek so um yeah the rdn has you know in their

[1:24:19] Voice 2: electoral areas have undertaken some significant work um with respect to water budgeting and

[1:24:25] Voice 2: Um, so I'll have to, I'll have to get back to you on that, but, um,

[1:24:31] Voice 8: kind

[1:24:33] Voice 2: of is a good

[1:24:34] Voice 2: point that perhaps for the local trust committee for, uh, staff to return back with maybe just

[1:24:43] Voice 2: a briefing on the drinking water and watershed protection program and what they're doing,

[1:24:48] Voice 2: because they do great work and, and, um, I'm exposed to that four times a year.

[1:24:52] Voice 2: we get presentations of uh not only like their water smart program and and the things they're

[1:24:58] Voice 2: doing within the regional district but also uh associated groups um conservation groups or

[1:25:05] Voice 2: or like the vius work um in the region and it's it's it's all really interesting stuff thank you

[1:25:14] Voice 2: thank you any

[1:25:16] Voice 11: other questions in the follow-up action report anything staff wish to bring to

[1:25:21] Voice 11: attention for follow-up action report no

[1:25:26] Voice 9: no there isn't maybe for clarity is that does this

[1:25:29] Voice 9: conversation satisfy that that one request for information or is there additional i

[1:25:35] Voice 12: i think it

[1:25:36] Voice 12: does matter about i think my my real concern and that of others who have spoken to me directly

[1:25:43] Voice 12: is that whatever groundwater license was applied for is based on historical parameters

[1:25:50] Voice 12: And whatever might be coming out of the ground at that location now, in that residential area, could be far more than what was actually in line for.

[1:26:02] Voice 12: But as William Schultz has pointed out, how would the province ever have time to monitor that, right?

[1:26:09] Voice 12: It's under their jurisdiction. It's their water license. All we can do is zone the land accordingly.

[1:26:16] Voice 12: accordingly and um I think everybody knows it's my wish to have a community water zone somewhere

[1:26:24] Voice 12: where there's lots of water that our trucks could go locally and have we're going to get to that

[1:26:30] Voice 12: provide everybody with water that they need and not out of their residential neighborhood but

[1:26:34] Voice 12: my real concern is the possible discretion between what has been applied for based on a historical

[1:26:40] Voice 12: context compared to what is actually being pumped out of the ground in that area I don't

[1:26:50] Voice 12: There is a note in William's report about further research is needed and interviews

[1:27:01] Voice 12: with, maybe we can talk about that one.

[1:27:06] Voice 12: We'll get to that, but yeah, I noted that as well.

[1:27:10] Voice 12: Any other last questions on the follow-up?

[1:27:13] Voice 12: Cut off Steve in there.

[1:27:14] Voice 12: it

[1:27:14] Voice 9: was just that you'll you'll see that drop off then when i send out an update yes of course

[1:27:20] Voice 12: thank you wonderful yeah all right

[1:27:23] Voice 11: so it is noon trustees uh we have two applications

[1:27:29] Voice 11: did you want to power through those let's

[1:27:31] Voice 11: get them done

[1:27:31] Voice 12: and then if you want to leave

[1:27:34] Voice 12: like okay i'm

[1:27:36] Voice 9: just here to see what you're doing

[1:27:38] Voice 12: i'm taking you off no all right so there's no

[1:27:43] Voice 12: applicant yes there is oh there it is so

[1:27:45] Voice 11: let's uh proceed with item 9.1 sorry to everybody uh

[1:27:51] Voice 6: so this is a temporary use

[1:27:52] Voice 11: permit 925 uh zero one two six uh staff report on page 18. uh

[1:27:59] Voice 11: And this is going to be Margo.

[1:28:02] Voice 11: Margo, you're here.

[1:28:03] Voice 11: I'm sorry, I didn't even

[1:28:04] Voice 8: see you sneak in.

[1:28:05] Voice 8: All

[1:28:05] Voice 11: right, thanks, Tara.

[1:28:08] Voice 12: Yeah, so the purpose of this report is to introduce an application for a temporary lease permit

[1:28:12] Voice 12: to allow the operation of a commercial vacation rental in a three-bedroom single-family dwelling

[1:28:19] Voice 12: on the subject property.

[1:28:21] Voice 12: The applicant must apply to the LTC to consider issuing the permit according to the

[1:28:25] Voice 12: Gabriel Island that you find that temporary use permit

[1:28:29] Voice 12: guidelines, staff is recommending issuance,

[1:28:33] Voice 12: considering that the proposed commercial vacation, which in

[1:28:35] Voice 12: defense of all the TUP guidelines, zoning, land use

[1:28:40] Voice 12: regulations, take the one something different thing about

[1:28:44] Voice 12: this application is that staff are recommended issuance for a

[1:28:48] Voice 12: shorter period of three years, because the applicant has been

[1:28:52] Voice 12: and operating the commercial vacation rental already

[1:28:58] Voice 12: for at least 18 months.

[1:29:00] Voice 12: So a total period of at least 10 days,

[1:29:04] Voice 12: to be sure, is that.

[1:29:07] Voice 12: Do you have any other questions for staff?

[1:29:09] Voice 12: I can keep my review short if you've already assumed you've

[1:29:13] Voice 12: already read it.

[1:29:14] Voice 12: But yeah, I'm here to answer any questions.

[1:29:17] Voice 12: and also I believe the applicant is here, Chris Campbell.

[1:29:22] Voice 11: Thank you.

[1:29:24] Voice 11: Chris, is there anything you'd like to add?

[1:29:30] Voice 11: No,

[1:29:31] Voice 7: maybe a bit of explanation.

[1:29:33] Voice 7: By the 18 months, I guess, the story behind that was

[1:29:39] Voice 7: that I had someone

[1:29:42] Voice 10: else do the posting for me

[1:29:44] Voice 10: and he thought that we met all the requirements

[1:29:47] Voice 7: because there was a lot of change at that time.

[1:29:52] Voice 7: May is when Gabriel opted in to the Provincial Governance and the Church of Liverpool.

[1:30:00] Voice 7: regulations. And I think he applied in June. We did a rental condition in June. And I think

[1:30:11] Voice 7: he thought that we were regularly assaulted by the cops. And I didn't check with him that

[1:30:18] Voice 7: I just, there was the ad that was down in my opinion. So then I got

[1:30:25] Voice 10: a

[1:30:26] Voice 7: bylaw letter from

[1:30:28] Voice 7: from Daniel Schneider at the time. That was January of 2035. And he said he'd received

[1:30:36] Voice 7: a complaint that I didn't have a tuck. So I contacted him, as the letter said, and I

[1:30:44] Voice 7: didn't hear back for two weeks. So I phoned again. I didn't hear back again. And I finally

[1:30:51] Voice 7: got told, I mean, I don't remember the date I spoke with, but I finally found out it was

[1:30:55] Voice 7: on we haven't been passed on. So

[1:30:58] Voice 7: I've had to spend some time trying to resolve this. And I looked at

[1:31:02] Voice 7: the bylaw of enforcement policy was that as long as people are working for compliance, they work

[1:31:09] Voice 7: with you. So I thought, well, that's, that's great. I didn't call that thought, regardless,

[1:31:15] Voice 7: I'll just apply. So

[1:31:17] Voice 7: in April, I applied to the top. And then there was a period where I've done

[1:31:24] Voice 7: everything except the post inspection and I did push back a little bit on that with Marco

[1:31:30] Voice 7: because I didn't see how the trust jurisdiction really related to quality of the occupants

[1:31:41] Voice 7: house right so anyway I decided okay I won't go with the fact that it's just a really renovated

[1:31:49] Voice 7: against obviously it's little and I instead

[1:31:51] Voice 12: went ahead and bought the post-inspection

[1:31:54] Voice 12: submitted it and that's what moved us along in that interim period I had been traveling

[1:32:02] Voice 12: against

[1:32:03] Voice 7: surgery and just trying to suck

[1:32:05] Voice 11: away and

[1:32:06] Voice 7: so getting marbles compensated for that

[1:32:09] Voice 7: and duration which is fair to me so that's sort of the whole story of coming to it

[1:32:20] Voice 6: well i appreciate

[1:32:20] Voice 12: that we're gonna we may have some questions for you or staff so trustees um

[1:32:24] Voice 12: yeah and just one comment regarding opting into the provincial regulations uh we had a temporary

[1:32:30] Voice 12: use permit um regime in place even before we opted

[1:32:35] Voice 12: into those provincial regulations

[1:32:37] Voice 12: so even before that we did require people who were operating a short-term vacation rental

[1:32:42] Voice 12: to apply for temporary extended.

[1:32:46] Voice 12: So thank you for doing that.

[1:32:47] Voice 12: I had a couple of questions from Planner Tomaitis.

[1:32:51] Voice 12: I love that tracking map because I look at that right away

[1:32:55] Voice 12: to see where are the other short-term vacation rentals

[1:32:58] Voice 12: in that neighborhood that I, but I only see

[1:33:03] Voice 12: the last one we got, you showed all of them,

[1:33:06] Voice 12: all of the TUPs for short-term vacation rentals.

[1:33:09] Voice 12: And in fact, it should probably technically say TUP short-term vacation rental tracking

[1:33:16] Voice 12: map, because that's the thing we're concerned about, not a different kind of TUP.

[1:33:21] Voice 12: So it seems to be missing the ones that we've already approved.

[1:33:26] Voice 12: There's only one there.

[1:33:27] Voice 12: Yeah, so I'd be concerned about that, because we do need to know, you know, where are they

[1:33:33] Voice 12: across the island, which neighborhoods are affected.

[1:33:36] Voice 12: There must have been a formatting issue because the one that got published is quite different.

[1:33:44] Voice 12: I can show it to you.

[1:33:45] Voice 12: I can try

[1:33:46] Voice 8: to find it now.

[1:33:47] Voice 8: No, don't worry about that.

[1:33:48] Voice 12: I just want to make sure that when we look at these applications, we have the polar picture.

[1:33:52] Voice 12: So, thank you.

[1:33:53] Voice 12: Yeah, I did that.

[1:33:54] Voice 12: I had that with all six labeled with the addresses.

[1:33:57] Voice 12: Yeah.

[1:33:57] Voice 1: of red stars

[1:33:58] Voice 12: for all the current oh wow and then the thing is formatting we are having

[1:34:03] Voice 12: yeah and so

[1:34:09] Voice 12: there's multiple issues that are that are coming up particularly around now so yeah

[1:34:15] Voice 12: and as you know i really find that helpful and i hope that future defense committee also

[1:34:23] Voice 12: finds that helpful. And I just have one other quick question. This would be to you, Chris,

[1:34:30] Voice 12: for your welcome guide. Because we really like to encourage active transportation and, you know,

[1:34:36] Voice 12: less cars on the road if we can, it would be great if you also included the current dirty bus

[1:34:42] Voice 12: schedule and it would be great also well there it is oh my it would be great also if you actually

[1:34:52] Voice 12: provided them with a galt trail map okay great yeah

[1:34:59] Voice 7: i'm

[1:35:01] Voice 12: just looking at the yeah which is

[1:35:02] Voice 7: yeah because

[1:35:04] Voice 12: you know anytime we can encourage cyclists and pedestrians that's just wonderful

[1:35:10] Voice 12: You could also mention the museum, because the museum is the place I go when I'm looking

[1:35:16] Voice 12: for some historical and current information on cultural and natural history.

[1:35:25] Voice 7: I'm looking to start a tour then.

[1:35:28] Voice 12: Yeah.

[1:35:30] Voice 12: So I mean, I would, you know, deny this application and waiting for that.

[1:35:35] Voice 12: It's just if you are good with supplying that information, then I think that's really helpful.

[1:35:42] Voice 12: My only question

[1:35:43] Voice 12: was, are you, you sort of said that you felt it was fair to issue just

[1:35:48] Voice 12: the 18 months?

[1:35:50] Voice 12: Well, I've been in a lot

[1:35:52] Voice 7: of thought about that.

[1:35:54] Voice 7: My first thought was it was punitive,

[1:35:56] Voice 8: and

[1:35:57] Voice 7: is that in keeping with the philosophy of

[1:36:02] Voice 7: encouraging and allowing time for compliance, and I've also been on that,

[1:36:07] Voice 8: and

[1:36:08] Voice 7: then I thought

[1:36:10] Voice 8: If

[1:36:10] Voice 7: I had proceeded quicker, I would still be wearing some UVHP.

[1:36:16] Voice 8: That's

[1:36:17] Voice 12: where I am.

[1:36:18] Voice 12: That was my thought.

[1:36:19] Voice 12: Okay.

[1:36:20] Voice 12: Yeah, that was sort of the only issue that I wanted to clarify was it's, and I'm glad

[1:36:29] Voice 12: to hear you say, you know, you debated about it.

[1:36:32] Voice 12: It's more about the fairness to other applicants who are going through the same process and

[1:36:38] Voice 12: And to get that, you know, segment of time to test the use.

[1:36:45] Voice 12: Evidently, there's no real impact to your neighbors.

[1:36:48] Voice 12: There was no letters of concern.

[1:36:51] Voice 12: And it seems to be well run.

[1:36:54] Voice 12: So I do support the staff recommendation as long as you're okay with it.

[1:37:00] Voice 12: And yeah, you can come for a renewal without having to do all this work after the 18 months.

[1:37:08] Voice 12: I support the issuance of the permit.

[1:37:12] Voice 12: I

[1:37:12] Voice 11: guess that's my only question. So if you issue a temporary use permit for 18 months,

[1:37:16] Voice 11: I understand 18 months, when she

[1:37:20] Voice 11: applies for a renewal, can it only be for the same period of time?

[1:37:24] Voice 11: So can the renewal only be 18 months?

[1:37:29] Voice 12: I'm pretty sure that it could be for up to three years.

[1:37:31] Voice 11: The

[1:37:32] Voice 12: renewal period could be longer.

[1:37:34] Voice 6: Okay, that was just my question.

[1:37:36] Voice 6: was

[1:37:36] Voice 12: that the question i think it's three years yeah and the only thing that would hinder that

[1:37:41] Voice 12: would be if there was major complaints about your operation or if there was some sort of

[1:37:46] Voice 12: water problem which could happen to anything

[1:37:51] Voice 12: trustees how do you want i move that the gabriela island local class committee approve issuance of

[1:37:58] Voice 12: of PLTUP 2025-0126 for a period of 18 months.

[1:38:04] Voice 12: Is there a second?

[1:38:05] Voice 12: Seconded by Trustee Elliot.

[1:38:06] Voice 12: Any discussion?

[1:38:08] Voice 12: Call the vote.

[1:38:09] Voice 11: All those in favor?

[1:38:10] Voice 11: That carries.

[1:38:11] Voice 11: And

[1:38:11] Voice 12: thank you, Planner Timaeus,

[1:38:12] Voice 11: for a

[1:38:12] Voice 11: great staffing work.

[1:38:14] Voice 11: Working

[1:38:14] Voice 12: with us through the process.

[1:38:17] Voice 8: Thank you.

[1:38:19] Voice 11: I'm going to move on then.

[1:38:21] Voice 11: Item 9.2 on the agenda, page 51,

[1:38:24] Voice 11: is a rezoning

[1:38:26] Voice 11: 2024-0091

[1:38:28] Voice 11: which is the Mid-Island

[1:38:30] Voice 11: Co-op. It's a staff report.

[1:38:32] Voice 11: So there

[1:38:34] Voice 11: he is. Hello, Kleiner Cox.

[1:38:38] Voice 5: Hello, Chair.

[1:38:40] Voice 5: Can you hear me?

[1:38:41] Voice 6: You're a little quiet, but go ahead.

[1:38:44] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:38:46] Voice 5: So this report is

[1:38:50] Voice 5: for

[1:38:51] Voice 5: the Mid-Island Co-op rezoning, which

[1:38:54] Voice 5: is bylaw

[1:38:55] Voice 5: 321 and 322 to amend

[1:38:57] Voice 5: the ocp and lub respectively the bylaws have received approval from the executive committee

[1:39:04] Voice 5: which you probably already are aware of and also from the minister of municipal affairs and housing

[1:39:11] Voice 5: you've held a public hearing for these bylaws and um and as well given them third reading so this

[1:39:18] Voice 5: this report is is uh recommending final adoption um for the reasons presented in the report and

[1:39:25] Voice 5: And you've got a couple of alternatives there as well on page 52.

[1:39:31] Voice 5: Unless you have any other questions for staff, we can answer that now.

[1:39:37] Voice 6: Thanks.

[1:39:38] Voice 6: And the applicant's not here today.

[1:39:40] Voice 6: No,

[1:39:41] Voice 12: but we have the applicant, and they've been very diligent about talking to us throughout the process.

[1:39:47] Voice 12: Trustees, any questions for staff?

[1:39:50] Voice 12: No?

[1:39:51] Voice 12: How do you want to proceed?

[1:39:52] Voice 12: Go ahead.

[1:39:53] Voice 12: I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[1:39:55] Voice 12: bylaw number 321

[1:39:57] Voice 12: cited as Gabriel Island Official Community Plan

[1:39:59] Voice 12: bylaw number

[1:40:01] Voice 12: 166-1997

[1:40:03] Voice 12: amendment number 1-2025 be adopted.

[1:40:06] Voice 12: Seconded by Trustee Yates.

[1:40:07] Voice 12: Any discussion?

[1:40:09] Voice 12: All those in favor? That carries.

[1:40:12] Voice 12: I move that the Gabriel Island

[1:40:13] Voice 12: Local Trust Committee bylaw number 322

[1:40:15] Voice 12: cited as Gabriel Island Land Use

[1:40:18] Voice 12: bylaw 1999

[1:40:19] Voice 12: amendment number 1-2025 be adopted.

[1:40:23] Voice 6: seconded by Trustee Elliott. Any discussion? All those in favor? And that carries. All right. Well, that's done. Thank

[1:40:31] Voice 6: you, Planner Cox. Thank you.

[1:40:33] Voice 5: Thank

[1:40:33] Voice 6: you. So, Trustees, did you want to take a lunch break? And how much time?

[1:40:40] Voice 11: Do you guys want 30 minutes for everybody?

[1:40:42] Voice 11: Okay, so let's, let's come back quarter to one then and so thank you. So we're in recess till quarter to one.

[1:40:55] Voice 12: Thank you for the day. Thanks for coming.

[1:41:01] Voice 12: Do you have any questions?

[1:41:04] Voice 3: He has. You have.

[1:41:06] Voice 3: Yeah,

[1:41:07] Voice 10: but again, more the process of looking at the land use program and so forth.

[2:16:08] Voice 3: Okay, that's a good point.

[2:16:10] Voice 12: And if I end up...

[2:16:12] Voice 12: We're live and recording.

[2:16:16] Voice 11: Thank you.

[2:16:17] Voice 11: All right, everyone.

[2:16:19] Voice 11: I'm going to call us back from our lunch break.

[2:16:22] Voice 8: We

[2:16:23] Voice 6: stopped right at item 10,

[2:16:27] Voice 6: which is our 10.1,

[2:16:28] Voice 6: our major project for Gabriel Island,

[2:16:30] Voice 6: OCP and land use bylaw review,

[2:16:33] Voice 6: business case approval and stock report here,

[2:16:35] Voice 6: beginning on page 60 of the agenda package.

[2:16:38] Voice 6: and i'm going to turn the floor over to uh thank

[2:16:40] Voice 12: you chair um yeah so we have um i i think what

[2:16:46] Voice 12: would be uh a detailed discussion relating to the the ocp draft which was presented to the ltc in

[2:16:54] Voice 12: may and to the public so public were invited to comment on that draft and we received a lot of

[2:17:02] Voice 12: a lot of comments since that period of time and so there's a few things that that we need to do

[2:17:09] Voice 12: today one is we revised the project charter to reflect first reading in September we were

[2:17:17] Voice 12: sort of being very ambitious thinking we'd go earlier than that but became very very clear

[2:17:22] Voice 12: at our main meeting well previous to that that that that that would not give the public enough

[2:17:29] Voice 12: enough time to review the draft and it was a very, very good decision because we had a lot of interest.

[2:17:36] Voice 12: So the endorsement of the revised project charter, which basically bumps the first reading until September,

[2:17:43] Voice 12: and therefore the other timelines for second and third also shift.

[2:17:53] Voice 12: shift. So we will ultimately be seeing third reading in the spring of 2027, which means

[2:18:00] Voice 12: that there's going to be a lot of time for first reading for additional public comment.

[2:18:05] Voice 12: And the reason that timeline shifts like that is because it accommodates the election and

[2:18:11] Voice 12: the new LTC and getting a new LTC up to speed. We want to be realistic about that. The other

[2:18:19] Voice 12: The other thing you've got presented before you is a revised communications and engagement plan.

[2:18:27] Voice 12: So there's been some conversation about, you know, where that's due to staff time.

[2:18:34] Voice 12: There was consideration of doing some market presence.

[2:18:43] Voice 12: So that's been removed for the summer, and then it's been updated to reflect the new timing.

[2:18:58] Voice 12: And then we've got the change document that we can go through in a very focused way.

[2:19:09] Voice 12: way. And, and then the other thing is that just considering

[2:19:14] Voice 12: process, we, staff are, are recommending that the LTCs

[2:19:25] Voice 12: support the the scheduling of an August meeting, we've extended

[2:19:32] Voice 12: the the deadline for comments from the public to July 31. So

[2:19:40] Voice 12: have time to review what comes in. And as we heard earlier today, there are some feedback.

[2:19:50] Voice 12: So that'll give you an opportunity to review what comes in as well as if there are things

[2:19:55] Voice 12: today that we were talking about and you're wanting some information or what have you,

[2:19:59] Voice 12: that gives an opportunity for staff to come back with other options. You've got the Freshwater

[2:20:06] Voice 12: footprint briefing which has a very detailed Q&A and I think if you've had a chance to have a look

[2:20:14] Voice 12: through it, it's very impressive. William Swichel, our senior freshwater specialist,

[2:20:19] Voice 12: spent a lot of time making that as plain language as possible as well as you'll see. And I even

[2:20:29] Voice 12: think like even down to the font in terms of readability, he thought about everything here.

[2:20:35] Voice 12: so we're trying to make it as accessible as as possible um so hopefully that's gonna um

[2:20:43] Voice 12: be useful to uh community in particular those community members that have had

[2:20:49] Voice 12: questions relating to the the fresh water work um and then finally there's a business case um

[2:20:57] Voice 12: for 2027-28 so we're not we're at that weird period of time um in this organization where

[2:21:04] Voice 12: where we have to decide on the items that will be going forward to the financial planning committee

[2:21:12] Voice 12: around budget for the following fiscal, which begins next April.

[2:21:17] Voice 12: So we are, even though we were six months out, this is part of our process.

[2:21:23] Voice 12: So what I think in terms of process, I would suggest maybe we go through everything,

[2:21:30] Voice 12: Everything excluding the points through the changes, the options document, and we could go through those items and then and then go through the options document as that'll take the most time or you already go through all that at the end of what you're

[2:21:52] Voice 12: i think that's a really good idea because i think it'll take a bit longer to go through

[2:21:56] Voice 12: the options document and maybe it might be helpful if we both could tell you right now

[2:22:01] Voice 12: whether we were available on august 6th or 7th so i can tell you that i'm available both of those

[2:22:07] Voice 12: days okay for a meeting thank you yep available so schedule according to so we'll take that

[2:22:19] Voice 12: information and ideally sorry uh there is a celebration for a community member on the 7th

[2:22:25] Voice 12: and i know a lot of people attend so if we're thinking of an afternoon evening meeting the

[2:22:29] Voice 12: 6th might be better than thursday well i guess that's also a question is uh in terms of timing

[2:22:34] Voice 12: um from the staff perspective evenings are not good that week yeah um also it would be and this

[2:22:43] Voice 12: is really a focused time yeah yeah something

[2:22:45] Voice 12: like this because we expect to receive input from the

[2:22:50] Voice 12: public all the time

[2:22:51] Voice 12: which yeah i just did when i went to get my lunch yeah um and then we can

[2:22:55] Voice 12: filter i shouldn't say filter i don't filter anything i just make sure i get all the dependencies

[2:23:00] Voice 12: and you know and then make sure we get that to you that would be great

[2:23:05] Voice 11: yeah i do have a meeting

[2:23:07] Voice 11: can tend to new but it can be done on the routines so i would do it here well the the

[2:23:14] Voice 12: intention is that it's not like electronic oh it would be a little bit yeah that'll make it

[2:23:20] Voice 12: way easier i think so so question when we get to the um engagement plan um i don't know do we want

[2:23:28] Voice 12: to talk about that now yeah let's go well this is my this is what i was suggesting is we could

[2:23:32] Voice 12: go through all the items excluding the the options first go through the items questions

[2:23:38] Voice 12: the resolutions and then move to that one okay yeah great and before we do that just in your

[2:23:44] Voice 12: staff report um planner chat just a couple of typos i don't know if you need to know about

[2:23:49] Voice 12: page three uh uh third paragraph down attachment three staff have proved i think it's provided

[2:23:58] Voice 12: find it. Right. Okay, just I don't know who else is reading

[2:24:01] Voice 12: this. But

[2:24:08] Voice 12: one more on page four of the staff report. First paragraph

[2:24:14] Voice 12: halfway down briefing and attachment five includes high

[2:24:16] Voice 12: resolution copies of these maps.

[2:24:21] Voice 12: That. Okay, good. Good. Thank you. Yeah. So can we do the

[2:24:25] Voice 12: partner charter first?

[2:24:28] Voice 12: Okay, trustees, questions, comments on the project charter?

[2:24:32] Voice 12: So yeah, so my question was about the option for community to ask questions and sort of

[2:24:45] Voice 12: have a community information meeting within the special meeting that you're proposing.

[2:24:52] Voice 12: Okay, so that's aside from the project charter, and maybe when you get to that, we'll get

[2:24:57] Voice 12: but that's if we decide on that would not that would be part of the engagement that's part of

[2:25:05] Voice 12: this i think so it doesn't matter the project looks wonderful actually i just have a couple

[2:25:18] Voice 6: how do you feel about the the land use bylaw timing after what we've learned would be

[2:25:25] Voice 6: the community plan here is the is it aggressive this

[2:25:32] Voice 11: timing or

[2:25:33] Voice 6: is it realistic I guess would be

[2:25:35] Voice 6: the

[2:25:35] Voice 12: right so again it's update for consistency so it needs to be done that consistency has to

[2:25:43] Voice 12: be done well I

[2:25:44] Voice 11: agree yeah I

[2:25:46] Voice 12: think we're feeling pretty I think we're feeling pretty good

[2:25:53] Voice 12: I had one really quick question, and it has to do with the DAI, first and second meeting,

[2:25:59] Voice 12: DAI, third meeting.

[2:26:00] Voice 12: Do we expect, when it's a DAI bylaw, we don't really expect the public to have input into

[2:26:06] Voice 12: that, do we?

[2:26:07] Voice 12: Yeah, it's a technical thing that, yeah, I just wanted

[2:26:11] Voice 12: to make sure people understand

[2:26:12] Voice 12: that when they ask me, oh, how come there isn't a public hearing?

[2:26:15] Voice 12: Yeah, good.

[2:26:17] Voice 12: I'm just so happy to see you all there.

[2:26:21] Voice 6: I do have one. I don't know. I don't think we have to put in here because I've just been through the project charter for Salt Springs, especially the community plan. And I know you and I had talked about

[2:26:31] Voice 6: a communications, a brief elevator pitch. Can we describe this entire project in like three sentences?

[2:26:41] Voice 6: First, I thought, oh, that was something that we need to get to the project charter, but

[2:26:46] Voice 6: it needs to be maintained live or more live than the project charter.

[2:26:53] Voice 6: So for Salt Spring, I would recommend that we at least commit to doing that.

[2:26:57] Voice 6: I'm thinking from a service or the next trust committee is here that to be able to concisely

[2:27:09] Voice 6: explain this project in like three sentences can we do an elevator pitch on this project

[2:27:19] Voice 6: um and on salt spring we're proposing that that that pitch would be show up in all communications

[2:27:24] Voice 6: every staff report every public community we always keep repeating that that elevator pitch

[2:27:30] Voice 6: so to say and it's to me it's a test it's like and the staff and the trustees can both say the

[2:27:35] Voice 6: same pitch, all talking about the same project nice and clear.

[2:27:40] Voice 6: Because it's something that we get divergence on, I think the

[2:27:42] Voice 6: project is this, but that's not what's there. So I just think it

[2:27:48] Voice 6: would be beneficial before the end of this term, to be able to

[2:27:52] Voice 6: describe, you know, I know the

[2:27:55] Voice 11: project charter speaks to staff

[2:27:56] Voice 11: really well. But it may not speak to, you know, someone.

[2:28:00] Voice 12: Yeah, I think we've had

[2:28:01] Voice 11: that. I think we have had that in some

[2:28:03] Voice 11: our communications

[2:28:04] Voice 12: we can highlight it on the website uh or something like that like on the

[2:28:11] Voice 12: main page i think we should

[2:28:12] Voice 6: review and look at it again make sure if we're solid

[2:28:15] Voice 6: yeah um because the

[2:28:17] Voice 6: community you're you know people can answer questions and then you know we're saying the

[2:28:21] Voice 6: same thing we agree with it we look at it but that is the statement we agree

[2:28:25] Voice 8: that speaks to the

[2:28:27] Voice 12: project one of the things i find super helpful is every time we get a project charter updated

[2:28:32] Voice 12: dated i i put that right at the front of my lcp work so that i because this is a really good

[2:28:39] Voice 12: timeline and description and budget and in scope out of scope all the dates are there like this is

[2:28:46] Voice 12: actually really good if you can always remember to have this handy for your

[2:28:51] Voice 12: elevator but it isn't

[2:28:52] Voice 12: an elevator

[2:28:53] Voice 12: so you look at this and it is not i that's where the

[2:28:56] Voice 6: interpretation gets i get

[2:28:57] Voice 6: problematic that's what i was trying to get i completely

[2:29:00] Voice 12: understand chair patrick yeah

[2:29:02] Voice 12: i i may get an elevator pitch for myself but only because i look at it

[2:29:06] Voice 12: yeah i get it any other comments on the projector i'm i'm still going to say that i think

[2:29:16] Voice 12: community information meeting commented for august it's not possible within the special

[2:29:24] Voice 12: special evening, it won't be possible. I mean, you could, but I, well, let's discuss it as

[2:29:30] Voice 12: part of the VA.

[2:29:31] Voice 12: Okay.

[2:29:35] Voice 12: That's fine.

[2:29:35] Voice 8: And

[2:29:36] Voice 12: one thing we could continue to do, um,

[2:29:38] Voice 7: is

[2:29:40] Voice 12: have our, have these great scheduled events

[2:29:43] Voice 12: that you have so graciously booked for us, where we do talk to people and they do show

[2:29:49] Voice 12: up.

[2:29:49] Voice 12: Yeah.

[2:29:49] Voice 8: Yeah,

[2:29:50] Voice 12: it means a lot of our time every week, Tuesday and Thursday, if we're available.

[2:29:56] Voice 12: We can still try to do that.

[2:29:59] Voice 12: Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[2:30:00] Voice 12: Absolutely. Actually, no, sorry. When I go down to the budget, there is a question. The

[2:30:03] Voice 12: archaeological overview assessment, we did have a budget and tax for that $25,000. Would

[2:30:12] Voice 12: that not be carried over for the next fiscal?

[2:30:14] Voice 12: So it's really strange how our budgets work, as you know. So I've been talking to Nessie

[2:30:23] Voice 12: about this. So we're looking at how it's also the procurement, like we're having lots of

[2:30:30] Voice 12: discussions around this right now, and

[2:30:33] Voice 12: also Sinema can hear into that and so forth. So

[2:30:38] Voice 12: it's in process to understand what, like, how we, if we can carry it over, but I think

[2:30:46] Voice 12: we still have to account for it in the budget. So that's why you see a portion of it accounted

[2:30:53] Voice 12: for. How it works logistically in terms of the plot that it goes through, like that's

[2:30:59] Voice 12: kind of details the financial details stuff but but um like i said we've had to i tried to account

[2:31:06] Voice 12: for uh the fact that we may not use it all uh in this budget year okay any other questions

[2:31:16] Voice 12: are you prepared to entertain a resolution then no i think that's a good idea yeah i know that

[2:31:24] Voice 12: the gabriola island local cast committee endorsed the revised gabriola island official community

[2:31:29] Voice 12: Plan and Land Use By-law Review Project Charter dated July 2026, version 8.

[2:31:37] Voice 12: Second by Trustee

[2:31:39] Voice 11: Elliott. Any discussion?

[2:31:41] Voice 3: All those

[2:31:42] Voice 11: in

[2:31:43] Voice 6: favor? And that carries.

[2:31:45] Voice 6: So

[2:31:46] Voice 11: the next item then will be the Communications and Engagement Plan.

[2:31:51] Voice 11: land yeah

[2:31:53] Voice 12: so this is where i'm sorry yeah yes yes

[2:32:00] Voice 12: okay this is where i'm it's i recognize that

[2:32:05] Voice 12: time should be spent on drafting and receiving constructive comments um and we're getting past

[2:32:15] Voice 12: the stage of just general information what is the ocp so i'm not looking for a community

[2:32:21] Voice 12: information meeting for that but there is a strong desire for some back and forth dialogue

[2:32:27] Voice 12: and I don't know how to structure that outside of a community information meeting.

[2:32:37] Voice 12: I thought the way that we did it for the water, the last community information meeting for the

[2:32:43] Voice 12: water

[2:32:44] Voice 8: freshwater

[2:32:45] Voice 12: project worked well because what it does is it surfaces common questions that then

[2:32:52] Voice 12: we can answer with frequently asked responses um so i was just wondering if we could say have an

[2:33:04] Voice 12: hour or two to answer questions directly not necessarily hearing people's perspectives or

[2:33:12] Voice 12: are like what they want to see don't want to see but really questions for clarity to get out

[2:33:20] Voice 12: get past any misunderstandings and a fundamental one that keeps coming up is are my property

[2:33:28] Voice 12: rights affected if i'm five but if i'm in a freshwater hazard zone um and are you taking

[2:33:35] Voice 12: away my ability to have a secondary dwelling you know so that's something there's there's a

[2:33:41] Voice 12: And as the gentleman, Mr. Hoy, said today, there's so much misinformation floating around the community right now because of all the different water issues and court cases and opponents putting things out there that may or may not be true.

[2:33:59] Voice 12: People are confused on some very basic things that we think are clear because we've been working through the process, but they're only now engaging.

[2:34:08] Voice 12: And so I don't want to get to first reading and people are like still unclear on some

[2:34:14] Voice 12: fundamentals.

[2:34:15] Voice 12: That's what I want to have a discussion.

[2:34:19] Voice 12: Or so that's one proposal is a community information meeting in the special meeting.

[2:34:26] Voice 12: Or can we have some educational materials for those frequently asked questions printed

[2:34:34] Voice 12: to know a poster and trustee gates and i or i i can be at the market or trustee

[2:34:39] Voice 12: can be at the

[2:34:40] Voice 12: market and we can take those questions like oh but what do you mean by this and then we can bring

[2:34:47] Voice 12: that back and that could be a way of fleshing out some of the you know more just the just the

[2:34:57] Voice 12: things that people aren't clear on i know markets aren't great for any technical information it's

[2:35:02] Voice 12: more the awareness information out and then making contact so that people know about the process so

[2:35:13] Voice 12: i'd be happy to do markets uh or continue with our ocp drop-ins um and if there needs to be budget

[2:35:20] Voice 12: a little bit for a sounder wine item or event ad that's kind of the

[2:35:27] Voice 12: direct sounders came

[2:35:29] Voice 12: here but it's supposed to be written by us yeah

[2:35:31] Voice 8: so much to do anyway

[2:35:37] Voice 12: you know the options table that you've given us is great because really that deals with a lot of

[2:35:43] Voice 12: the questions people are asking even in our own even you know here's here's the old here's the

[2:35:48] Voice 12: new here's how it's going to work it's almost like you could i don't know if you don't if you

[2:35:53] Voice 12: can simplify that into a few really essential FAQs. I'm not sure but certainly it was the water

[2:35:59] Voice 12: one was great that was super helpful all those FAQs all those questions that that is amazing to

[2:36:06] Voice 12: have those. So if you know I'm thinking of something like that but much shorter a one-page

[2:36:12] Voice 12: thing we could have with us at the market or at our job with the really big questions that keep

[2:36:22] Voice 8: yeah

[2:36:23] Voice 12: i'm not sure

[2:36:24] Voice 8: so

[2:36:26] Voice 12: i'm hearing two things one is um the opportunity for people like maybe an hour

[2:36:34] Voice 12: uh an hour of time with the special meeting where people can maybe type in their questions

[2:36:42] Voice 12: and there's an opportunity to answer one or two or like however many right yeah may not be an

[2:36:48] Voice 12: opportunity to answer them all yeah but maybe it's an opportunity to daylight uh questions that

[2:36:54] Voice 12: people have that are similar to each other

[2:36:56] Voice 8: so

[2:36:57] Voice 12: that could be um that's an opportunity to collect

[2:37:00] Voice 12: questions we can

[2:37:01] Voice 12: certainly we've started a a an faq on the website um and and so we can continue

[2:37:08] Voice 12: to add to that yeah um i think what would be useful for staff is um i know you might you've

[2:37:15] Voice 12: been sending a lot of questions, I think what would be useful for

[2:37:20] Voice 12: staff is if you could send the questions that you feel are the

[2:37:28] Voice 12: really broad, like the things that many people have questions

[2:37:32] Voice 12: about, because I think some of the questions that you've been

[2:37:34] Voice 12: sending are ones that are very specific. Yeah. Because it does

[2:37:38] Voice 12: take a fair amount of time to make sure we're giving you the

[2:37:42] Voice 12: right answer and that kind of thing but but we're happy to to continue to add to the the FAQ so um

[2:37:49] Voice 12: I guess I would ask you to get there that are those top of mind ones to send them out and then

[2:37:55] Voice 12: certainly I don't see that there being a problem with us adding like a you know an hour to the

[2:38:00] Voice 12: our discussion yeah ahead of time we may not be able to answer all the questions but like I said

[2:38:07] Voice 12: it would be an opportunity to daylight some um that are there that's you know we find that in

[2:38:14] Voice 12: the faq so that could be um that could be a success how long were you estimating the meeting to be

[2:38:22] Voice 12: well we'll have to

[2:38:23] Voice 12: see i mean i think i think i think let's make let's let's let's think about

[2:38:28] Voice 12: that at the end of um today's meeting because i think part of that will depend on whether you want

[2:38:34] Voice 12: more discussion on the things that we've discussed today right um i think in terms of um like new

[2:38:40] Voice 12: things that are coming in like i think they're we i anticipate we may end up with a few things that

[2:38:46] Voice 12: are new um but i i don't anticipate like a huge amount of things so

[2:38:52] Voice 12: i think you'll really depend

[2:38:54] Voice 12: on how you're feeling at the end of this meeting yeah how much time you might need yeah that's

[2:39:00] Voice 12: probably a good idea so i really like this idea um it's less that there's lingering questions out

[2:39:10] Voice 12: there i think the questions are being asked and i can see that they're being answered and they're

[2:39:15] Voice 12: on our website the challenge is people don't go to the website and they're not going to this place

[2:39:21] Voice 12: for information they're talking to neighbors who may or may not have solid information so then we

[2:39:28] Voice 12: keep getting questions re-asked that are already answered so it's more of public communications

[2:39:37] Voice 12: it's allowing a space where people can bring those concerns and just voice it even if it's

[2:39:43] Voice 12: been asked before and answered I think it's part of our responsibility because people are saying

[2:39:48] Voice 12: we don't know where to go we're coming to you and Susan but we want to talk to a planner and just

[2:39:55] Voice 12: hear from you oh yeah that's you know we've considered that and here's that answer and

[2:40:00] Voice 12: likely there's not going to be anything major and new it's just it's another way to support

[2:40:08] Voice 12: people getting the information they need so i don't think it's going to be like novel um if

[2:40:16] Voice 12: we're if we're clear that this is for asking questions for clarity rather than here's my

[2:40:22] Voice 12: opinion here's what i think should happen you know that obviously when we have a draft and

[2:40:27] Voice 12: it's going out for a formal referral and that's what we want to hear from people just people i

[2:40:37] Voice 12: think people need the opportunity to speak we'll probably have time and then well maybe maybe it's

[2:40:43] Voice 12: about collecting the questions right so this is what i'm actually hearing right yeah it's about

[2:40:48] Voice 12: collecting the questions and having somebody say uh you know these are very similar questions

[2:40:53] Voice 12: who's the answer so you could you could put a call of questions and and that call the questions

[2:40:59] Voice 12: could continue until that day we can have a look at the question we can identify what the questions

[2:41:05] Voice 12: are and then we may or may not be able to answer them right away i mean there's also there's

[2:41:11] Voice 12: capacity issues uh it's it's a busy time because every many projects trying to wrap up before the

[2:41:17] Voice 12: end of um term and such right so um uh but but we can certainly uh yes we can do our best well and

[2:41:27] Voice 12: and so so us going to market actually this could be the educational opportunity we can have a drop

[2:41:32] Voice 12: box we can have a box of like have a question about the ocp copy the ocp table of changes

[2:41:39] Voice 12: proposed changes we can have a a form that people can fill out and that way they've got a face

[2:41:46] Voice 12: about your local trustee. Now I know that the documents there. Here's my question. And then

[2:41:51] Voice 12: that could be a way of collecting, you know, what are those outstanding areas of uncertainty?

[2:41:56] Voice 12: Yeah, I mean, that could work. Again, making it very simple. It's just a matter of having,

[2:42:04] Voice 12: you know, just getting, you know, we can make the form that people can just write on

[2:42:08] Voice 12: things with their question. I have a question about the OCP it is.

[2:42:13] Voice 12: Yeah. Yeah, very simple.

[2:42:15] Voice 12: yeah i think it's just a touch point to reassure people we are humans engaging in a process and we

[2:42:21] Voice 12: want to hear from them the more everything's mediated through electronics and electronic

[2:42:27] Voice 12: meetings i

[2:42:28] Voice 12: think the less trust there is in the process and that's what i'm i'm hearing

[2:42:32] Voice 12: they want to have this face-to-face engagement so to me that's the solution is for us trustees to be

[2:42:40] Voice 12: continue to be the face not wasting not spending staff's time you know answering basic questions

[2:42:46] Voice 12: but how can we collect those questions and then um yeah so i would i would be happy to do that

[2:42:54] Voice 12: this summer yeah oh totally yeah yeah

[2:42:57] Voice 12: that's i'm available i mean

[2:42:59] Voice 12: summer means vacation time for

[2:43:01] Voice 12: staff too right it also means we get visitors i just got rid of visitors i'm expecting more

[2:43:07] Voice 12: tomorrow, which I love, but it limits your time.

[2:43:14] Voice 12: Yeah, I bet we'll have time for a Q&A, you know, added to our August 6th or 7th meeting,

[2:43:22] Voice 12: whatever date we determine.

[2:43:23] Voice 12: I'm amazed we're both available those days.

[2:43:26] Voice 8: Okay,

[2:43:26] Voice 12: so how about we would add to the communications and engagement plan an

[2:43:31] Voice 12: an offer, ask questions opportunity to include a box,

[2:43:45] Voice 12: questions box opportunity through the website, that would

[2:43:48] Voice 12: be, you know, do a subscriber list, say, ask your questions.

[2:43:54] Voice 12: And, and then, and then we can have a, you know, we could at

[2:43:58] Voice 12: least list the questions at the end. So yeah,

[2:44:02] Voice 12: Yeah. So that would be the amendment to the communication

[2:44:08] Voice 12: engagement plan. Yeah. Okay. And then in the timeframe, there

[2:44:14] Voice 12: would be basically from the end of July to a couple of weeks to

[2:44:23] Voice 12: August, August.

[2:44:27] Voice 12: So I still have a couple of questions about the

[2:44:30] Voice 12: communications plan uh sounder article written by trustees what what would we be writing

[2:44:36] Voice 12: that's a good question i mean there is a whole new place for okay because we have this wonderful

[2:44:45] Voice 12: reporter to attend our meetings and um you know i i i mean i could easily write an article too but

[2:44:56] Voice 12: i find my time is limited and um we could write something about here's where we're at

[2:45:02] Voice 12: here's what we're doing maybe ask us your questions yeah ask you know we can do like that

[2:45:06] Voice 12: you know and here's where we're at here's where we're going to be over the summer

[2:45:10] Voice 12: ask your questions they will go here and that kind of thing this is our elevator pitch

[2:45:15] Voice 12: yeah this is what it is well we

[2:45:18] Voice 12: could also have well i wonder do that i think actually there's

[2:45:21] Voice 12: to email me the information at any time.

[2:45:24] Voice 12: And when's your next deadline?

[2:45:27] Voice 12: I'm going on vacation tomorrow.

[2:45:30] Voice 12: Yes.

[2:45:31] Voice 12: So actually, I think there's two articles

[2:45:34] Voice 12: that would be needed.

[2:45:35] Voice 12: I think one right at the beginning of or end of July.

[2:45:39] Voice 12: Here's the plan.

[2:45:40] Voice 12: Here's where we'll be.

[2:45:42] Voice 12: This is the still early public comment period.

[2:45:46] Voice 12: This is

[2:45:46] Voice 12: the time to surface all those questions

[2:45:48] Voice 12: that you answered before we get into first reading and then the second article would be

[2:45:55] Voice 12: the legislative process like explaining the first reading and the whole charter that we just

[2:46:02] Voice 12: discussed that what is the referral and engagement process received because people might think oh I

[2:46:07] Voice 1: already

[2:46:07] Voice 12: gave my comments right there like what why do I have to you know engage with you again

[2:46:13] Voice 12: well because it's slightly different now yeah and so I think sort of we always have to re-express

[2:46:18] Voice 12: explain the the process of readings and public hearing so that could be the second one yes

[2:46:24] Voice 3: and late and there's

[2:46:26] Voice 12: always discussion on water so i'm happy to write things yeah yeah

[2:46:31] Voice 12: and i'm

[2:46:32] Voice 12: happy to write things too if it turns out that we need to do that i mean those are easy to write

[2:46:36] Voice 12: but i

[2:46:37] Voice 12: also feel like well we have this wonderful reporter who could also write those same things

[2:46:41] Voice 12: no but this is an invitation from the LTC to the community this is us saying here's here's how we're

[2:46:49] Voice 12: going to engage with you but yeah you're right to come the more the personal touch yeah yeah I agree

[2:46:56] Voice 3: with those

[2:46:56] Voice 12: if you're wanting something maybe for end of July I would talk to her too

[2:47:01] Voice 12: that's coming up for planning thank

[2:47:05] Voice 8: you great

[2:47:07] Voice 12: your other questions other questions just a couple

[2:47:09] Voice 12: the typos um the the uh mad article and the sounder towards the bottom there in the middle

[2:47:15] Voice 12: middle cell the sounder needs capital better three times there needs a capital letter and then um

[2:47:25] Voice 12: that was it for engagement yeah

[2:47:29] Voice 11: i do know i'm in time for absolute clarity says there

[2:47:34] Voice 11: In the part where you said the referral and engagement response received, and you have in the communications OCP revisions, once first reading is given, well, to referral, First Nations is 90 days.

[2:47:52] Voice 6: Yeah.

[2:47:53] Voice 6: So to me, that should just be a blank period.

[2:47:58] Voice 11: It should be.

[2:47:59] Voice 11: Yeah.

[2:47:59] Voice 11: Yes.

[2:47:59] Voice 6: Because after that period, the OCP revision.

[2:48:02] Voice 6: So I think

[2:48:03] Voice 6: that would just make it more crystal clear that you're not revising while.

[2:48:06] Voice 6: Yeah, good catch.

[2:48:07] Voice 6: Yeah.

[2:48:08] Voice 6: And I would almost

[2:48:12] Voice 6: put the 90 days, you know, just the referral engagement responses for referral

[2:48:18] Voice 11: period is 90 days.

[2:48:26] Voice 11: Any other comments?

[2:48:27] Voice 11: um

[2:48:32] Voice 12: yeah just just to note that any any subscriber notice that goes out should let people know that

[2:48:41] Voice 12: they can come pick up any paper copy of the office we we have been encouraging people to do that and

[2:48:48] Voice 12: just having a paper copy to hand out was huge people need the physical document i need it

[2:48:55] Voice 12: there's too much we've both been handing them out not willy-nilly but to people who are

[2:49:01] Voice 12: really interested in show up to the the dropping sessions yeah yeah well it's gosh for a government

[2:49:09] Voice 12: that produces a paper at an enormous rate you should be able to do that um okay so i definitely

[2:49:16] Voice 12: support the revised engagement plan with a potential community information meeting but

[2:49:21] Voice 12: should we talk about that or uh sorry with the potential community information meeting in the

[2:49:26] Voice 12: special meeting we need to well we can so the the resolution is as discussed at the july uh

[2:49:32] Voice 12: so okay i think um it i think we're what we decided on is that we're asking people for

[2:49:41] Voice 12: questions so it isn't necessarily a community information meeting that's happening then it's

[2:49:45] Voice 12: more of a we've heard you and this is what we've heard situation but you still want people not

[2:49:52] Voice 12: off with having to like so say say this meeting is two hours long well then an added hour for people

[2:49:59] Voice 12: to come and submit their questions while like prior to you having a discussion okay yeah yeah

[2:50:07] Voice 12: yeah but it will have to be really tightly moderated so that one person doesn't pick up

[2:50:13] Voice 12: the entire well i think what it might be is just write your question yeah write your question in

[2:50:19] Voice 12: Yes. Yeah. And we'd have a deadline because often they're similar and you'd want to be

[2:50:26] Voice 12: so you have something. You might you might want to have a deadline of well I guess when the

[2:50:35] Voice 12: agenda is published. So so we've we talked about having a deadline of August 5th for people to

[2:50:42] Voice 12: to provide questions and so I think what we're trying to trying to get a sense of from you now

[2:50:48] Voice 12: is this additional opportunity during the meeting to ask questions and so what i'm hearing is

[2:50:56] Voice 12: um well what i'm suggesting and is is that we basically just ask people to ask their questions

[2:51:02] Voice 12: write their questions because we'll only have an hour so that's an opportunity for the people to

[2:51:07] Voice 12: see what the questions additional questions are we can we can have a list of the questions we've

[2:51:12] Voice 12: already received um like i said we may not have answers for all of them we may have answers for

[2:51:17] Voice 12: some of them at that point in time but this hour is an additional time for people just to sit and

[2:51:22] Voice 12: ask their questions yeah they've been asking for that they would be appreciated okay okay

[2:51:29] Voice 12: so it'll be our plan as revised yeah so shall we make that motion sure i moved at the gabriella

[2:51:38] Voice 12: island local trust committee endorsed the changes to the gabriella official community plan

[2:51:42] Voice 12: and phase four communication and engagement plan

[2:51:45] Voice 12: as revised at the July 16th, 2026

[2:51:50] Voice 12: Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee meeting.

[2:51:52] Voice 12: Is there a second?

[2:51:54] Voice 12: Second by Trustee Elliott.

[2:51:56] Voice 11: Any discussion?

[2:51:58] Voice 11: All those in favor?

[2:52:00] Voice 11: And that carries.

[2:52:02] Voice 11: We're gonna hold off on the option.

[2:52:10] Voice 11: Wanna

[2:52:12] Voice 12: do the special meeting now

[2:52:14] Voice 12: and determine the date, 6th or the 7th?

[2:52:18] Voice 12: I think

[2:52:19] Voice 12: the 6th is good.

[2:52:21] Voice 12: Are you

[2:52:22] Voice 8: able to do

[2:52:23] Voice 12: that, Hunter Chadwick?

[2:52:24] Voice 12: I think so.

[2:52:26] Voice 12: I'm just going to check my calculator.

[2:52:31] Voice 12: Yeah, the 6th is better.

[2:52:33] Voice 8: Good.

[2:52:34] Voice 8: Ms. Fitzgerald, we need to

[2:52:35] Voice 11: confirm the contract

[2:52:37] Voice 11: and the pickering of homes.

[2:52:39] Voice 11: So I would maybe

[2:52:40] Voice 12: not suggest to set a specific time of day.

[2:52:45] Voice 12: So we should keep our calendars open for at least those two days, I think.

[2:52:53] Voice 12: Yeah, I

[2:52:54] Voice 12: guess that's what.

[2:52:54] Voice 12: Yeah.

[2:52:55] Voice 12: Well,

[2:52:56] Voice 11: the motion just says to schedule it.

[2:52:58] Voice 11: So

[2:52:59] Voice 12: would we need to say business meeting, including a community information portion?

[2:53:07] Voice 12: I think we discussed it.

[2:53:09] Voice 12: I think we discussed the nature of that meeting.

[2:53:12] Voice 12: Yeah.

[2:53:14] Voice 12: Right.

[2:53:14] Voice 12: Okay.

[2:53:16] Voice 12: So we're ready?

[2:53:17] Voice 12: Yeah.

[2:53:17] Voice 12: I'm going to put the Gabriela Island Local Trust Committee request staff schedule an electronic special trust committee meeting, business meeting to review input from the community on the draft official community plan prior to first reading the bylaw.

[2:53:31] Voice 12: And second that.

[2:53:32] Voice 12: All right. Any discussion?

[2:53:36] Voice 11: Both and all those in favor? That carries.

[2:53:42] Voice 11: So now do we want to go back and do the options and then the printer?

[2:53:47] Voice 11: Well,

[2:53:48] Voice 12: again, I think that the options is the most detailed and

[2:53:53] Voice 12: we

[2:53:53] Voice 8: did the business case. Yeah, that one is

[2:54:03] Voice 12: basically finishing off the project. Yeah,

[2:54:06] Voice 12: so it just considers, you know, engagement aspects, and then, and then it is the potential

[2:54:15] Voice 12: of the AOA not being completed by that period of time.

[2:54:19] Voice 12: So there's a portion of funding that would have been,

[2:54:25] Voice 12: would basically be a carryover.

[2:54:27] Voice 8: Yeah.

[2:54:28] Voice 8: One more?

[2:54:31] Voice 12: Yeah.

[2:54:33] Voice 12: It looks really, I mean, it looks really good to me.

[2:54:36] Voice 12: All we have to hope is that the next local committee is also

[2:54:40] Voice 12: OK with that.

[2:54:41] Voice 12: Yeah.

[2:54:42] Voice 3: And how so?

[2:54:43] Voice 12: If the next local committee were to be able to do the whole thing

[2:54:50] Voice 12: I mean usually when these are presented to council too for for approval and funding they

[2:54:54] Voice 12: they're usually so well done that you know they get what it needs yeah you know I couldn't find

[2:55:01] Voice 12: anything missing so I'd be fine to go ahead with that motion are you ready

[2:55:08] Voice 12: yeah so is this additional legal contingency we're not are we not doing legal review

[2:55:15] Voice 12: you we have been doing we have

[2:55:17] Voice 12: elements of we go we need to keep going okay but it's always

[2:55:20] Voice 12: yeah in case yeah great this looks like a much simpler business case than i've seen before

[2:55:31] Voice 12: there used to be like five well i think we i think there's been some work being done

[2:55:36] Voice 12: so

[2:55:36] Voice 11: good

[2:55:37] Voice 12: issue opportunity that's great yes okay well let's go for that one then

[2:55:44] Voice 3: I

[2:55:46] Voice 12: know that the Gabriela Island Local Task Committee approves a 2027-28 business case supporting the completion of the Gabriela Official Community Plan and Land Use By-law Review Project.

[2:55:59] Voice 8: One second.

[2:56:01] Voice 12: Actually, sorry.

[2:56:03] Voice 12: Just on page 106, the first page, tied to unstressed guiding documents.

[2:56:14] Voice 12: Would it be good to add the Indigenous Relations Action Plan?

[2:56:23] Voice 8: We don't have it

[2:56:24] Voice 12: yet, but it's approved.

[2:56:28] Voice 12: Yeah, we can add it.

[2:56:29] Voice 12: And the Referral Work Plan, which is part of it, I guess.

[2:56:54] Voice 12: Well, it just says guiding documents and that was a little work plan specific to Project

[2:57:01] Voice 12: Realize.

[2:57:02] Voice 12: Any other changes?

[2:57:04] Voice 12: No.

[2:57:04] Voice 11: So that motion has not been seconded.

[2:57:07] Voice 11: It would be then as amended.

[2:57:13] Voice 11: Is this case as amended?

[2:57:18] Voice 12: As amended at this meeting?

[2:57:20] Voice 12: Just as amended.

[2:57:21] Voice 11: This is a case. Okay. Also, now it's any discussion. Motion. All those in favor, please use hands that carries. Alright, so we're doing fresh water footprint first. Sure.

[2:57:40] Voice 11: Very selectively here.

[2:57:43] Voice 11: It's good to get

[2:57:44] Voice 11: Things checked on. Alright, so this begins on page 80 and I see

[2:57:52] Voice 11: So I'm sure those joined us.

[2:57:55] Voice 11: Willing, do you want to introduce this?

[2:57:59] Voice 2: Sure, Chair.

[2:58:02] Voice 2: The briefing is pretty simple.

[2:58:05] Voice 2: It is providing high-resolution PDFs of the map,

[2:58:12] Voice 2: which I did notice in the agenda package were compressed,

[2:58:16] Voice 2: so the agenda package isn't showing the full resolution of the maps,

[2:58:20] Voice 2: but it's better than what it was.

[2:58:22] Voice 2: and then into a comprehensive frequently asked questions document which is hyperlinked so you

[2:58:32] Voice 2: can click on a question in the table of questions and I'll take you to that page and then on top of

[2:58:40] Voice 2: each page is a return button to the table of questions so that's helpful when it's not in

[2:58:48] Voice 2: paper form but it also does print well and um yeah it it it's meant to be somewhat of a living

[2:58:56] Voice 2: document i've reviewed it several times now since it's been in the agenda package and there's some

[2:59:00] Voice 2: awkward wording but um other than a few little fixes um i think that it's a a good resource that

[2:59:08] Voice 2: was um requested of and directed by the local trust committee so i appreciate that and um yeah

[2:59:16] Voice 2: Yeah, I'm open to take any questions that the LTC has on that or for next steps. Thanks.

[2:59:24] Voice 12: Yeah, so thanks, William, for producing a better map. It's helpful. The first thing people do is

[2:59:33] Voice 12: they look for their lot. And when their lot is tiny, so what I've been hearing is that

[2:59:43] Voice 12: the critical aquifer recharge area map

[2:59:46] Voice 12: looks like there's two tones of gray

[2:59:49] Voice 12: and it may or may not be that.

[2:59:53] Voice 12: It may just be the parcels are so small

[2:59:56] Voice 12: that they look like a darker gray area.

[2:59:58] Voice 12: But is this just...

[3:00:00] Voice 12: mapping the critical aquifer recharge area and there isn't a second one uh

[3:00:07] Voice 2: yes uh yeah uh through

[3:00:09] Voice 2: the chair you're completely right um trustee elliott that the um the darker gray is just

[3:00:16] Voice 2: from the density of the lot lines okay so uh to to remedy that uh we can produce a map uh without

[3:00:25] Voice 2: out the lot lines and and just be the critical aqua recharge areas um i tried some other like

[3:00:32] Voice 2: cartography logic to clear that up and it wasn't really working but that's that optical effect

[3:00:37] Voice 2: yeah it's so um that being said if you look at the areas that are white like that are shining

[3:00:46] Voice 2: through then those are the areas not in critical aqua recharge areas so that's just like the

[3:00:51] Voice 2: opposite of that so looking at um all the gray areas as one thing not two separate things

[3:01:00] Voice 12: then the second question which you kind of answer in the in frequently asked questions about

[3:01:09] Voice 12: um sort of the weighting of i guess aquifer stress is it um there's no explanation on the

[3:01:21] Voice 12: the map that says you know the or that sort of describes a critical unless I'm missing something

[3:01:28] Voice 12: was there a note explaining it like what we're looking at or what you know percentages are what

[3:01:36] Voice 12: values went into that like because I don't know how to explain this to people and that if I can

[3:01:45] Voice 12: point them to a question specifically or an answer what are the critical you know question 40

[3:01:51] Voice 12: it just says what is it but the values that went into creating that maybe it would be helpful to

[3:02:02] Voice 12: have a link to what section of the report if that's in the report yeah

[3:02:09] Voice 2: through the chair so

[3:02:10] Voice 2: the the frequently asked questions is is not um like a coles nose for the report right so

[3:02:16] Voice 2: So the simply defining what aquifer stress is, which is not on a map, right?

[3:02:23] Voice 2: We're talking, right?

[3:02:24] Voice 2: We have critical aquifer recharge areas is one map that's from the groundwater recharge.

[3:02:28] Voice 2: We already had that before the freshwater footprint work.

[3:02:32] Voice 2: And then from the freshwater footprint work, we have the freshwater hazard map, which the

[3:02:40] Voice 2: one in front of you has been buffered and then filtered for planning purposes.

[3:02:44] Voice 2: The aquifer stress is defined in the frequently asked questions and that definition just comes from the report itself.

[3:02:54] Voice 2: And then in the report it goes through more detail what aquifer stress is and the methodology that GW Solutions developed to come up with that analysis.

[3:03:05] Voice 2: Okay,

[3:03:07] Voice 12: so aquifer stress is new information, and it's in the report, and the critical aquifer

[3:03:14] Voice 12: recharge, we already had that.

[3:03:16] Voice 2: It was from a previous, it was from the aquifer recharge project, which, and aquifer conceptualization

[3:03:22] Voice 2: work that happened for Gabriola, and Denman and Hornby, that project together was 2022,

[3:03:31] Voice 2: I believe.

[3:03:34] Voice 12: okay yeah i i would like to see briefing notes to explain that just just what you said it would be

[3:03:41] Voice 12: helpful yeah i agree because there's just so much terminology people don't know what they're looking

[3:03:47] Voice 12: at and i get confused trying to explain it i shouldn't try to explain it so thank you for

[3:03:53] Voice 12: that explanation like toby do you mean like could it just be added to this question no i think like

[3:03:59] Voice 12: or no right on the map well not on the map but there should be uh notation somewhere yeah but

[3:04:05] Voice 12: if this is going to be because we're approving this to attach to the draft ocp yeah that policy

[3:04:11] Voice 12: document needs to sort of say oh well maybe it does i don't know where but yeah just

[3:04:19] Voice 2: so we know

[3:04:19] Voice 12: that through

[3:04:21] Voice 2: the chair of for the project that um we undertook on galliano um for the development

[3:04:29] Voice 2: permit area for groundwater protection that used the groundwater recharge mapping work that I

[3:04:38] Voice 2: provided like a pretty comprehensive technical memorandum that came with the maps so that's

[3:04:46] Voice 2: also a possibility that I could provide to the LTC an additional staff report that

[3:04:54] Voice 2: directly just discusses the maps and where they came from and the methodology that that resulted

[3:05:02] Voice 2: in them because it's not just from the gw solutions report both of them uh they're those

[3:05:08] Voice 2: maps are processed by islands trust staff and so

[3:05:12] Voice 12: there's a methodology yeah okay

[3:05:15] Voice 2: and

[3:05:16] Voice 12: i'll so if i

[3:05:17] Voice 12: could go on chair so where this is coming from is it's a it continues to be a translation issue

[3:05:24] Voice 12: for the community um we so appreciate having the technical report the science that we are basing

[3:05:31] Voice 12: policy decisions on and folks are still struggling to translate that in recent in the engagement

[3:05:41] Voice 12: process um i've spoken to two professional hydrogeologists who live on the island one of

[3:05:47] Voice 12: whom you might be familiar with um and the second um has offered to help with technical translation

[3:05:56] Voice 12: for the public and so if that would be if you if you'd be willing to work with somebody who

[3:06:06] Voice 12: who lives here who's she's reviewed the report um thinks it's fabulous is very familiar with

[3:06:12] Voice 12: the founder of gw solutions and and you know sort of from a from the overview that um she gave said

[3:06:20] Voice 12: the methodology sound really you know have has some questions um but what what are your thoughts

[3:06:28] Voice 12: on having a community member with a professional background to help with any gaps that people are

[3:06:39] Voice 12: are still chilling in with their own information is kind of what's happening um

[3:06:46] Voice 2: yeah so through

[3:06:47] Voice 2: the chair there's two methods of doing that one is um informal and they send an inquiry to

[3:06:53] Voice 2: freshwater email and i handle it as an inquiry and then the second one is more formal if the ltc

[3:07:00] Voice 2: passes a resolution to work with a community group or a member of the community we've

[3:07:07] Voice 2: we've we've done that before so it's kind of the will of the LTC there I

[3:07:13] Voice 12: have a motion for that

[3:07:15] Voice 12: so I'll save

[3:07:15] Voice 12: it and just a quick question with regard to that um working with a member of the

[3:07:19] Voice 12: community or a group um is this is it assumed that this work will always be unpaid like just

[3:07:26] Voice 12: I know she doesn't she didn't say anything about payment but is that just the assumption because

[3:07:31] Voice 12: because we don't budget for that.

[3:07:33] Voice 2: Yeah, through the chair, I have no idea this is,

[3:07:36] Voice 2: so the analysis would start on understanding

[3:07:39] Voice 2: what this would even be, right?

[3:07:42] Voice 2: We've worked with other professionals

[3:07:45] Voice 2: in the Islands Trust area and academics

[3:07:48] Voice 2: from different universities

[3:07:49] Voice 2: and every relationship is different

[3:07:53] Voice 2: and it could be a memorandum of understanding

[3:07:55] Voice 2: or it could just be an informal thing.

[3:07:58] Voice 2: It's just, we would have to work with planning staff

[3:08:01] Voice 2: um to figure out what that would be and then that's how we would approach it that's good

[3:08:07] Voice 12: yeah so some of the feedback was common like common language for describing areas uh or

[3:08:14] Voice 12: nomenclature the different presentation of overlays potentially and and so this person

[3:08:22] Voice 12: just wants to support the process and the community's understanding um and i guess that

[3:08:28] Voice 12: we could give direction and that you could have a conversation and see what um i i think you know

[3:08:36] Voice 12: the answers to the questions are huge i learned so much from what you've written here uh these

[3:08:42] Voice 12: 63 questions so thank you so much for that i now understand the project and the work a lot better

[3:08:48] Voice 12: and i think we're moving really well along this path of translating technical information

[3:08:55] Voice 12: into usable you know concepts that the public can grasp and you know then debate policy about

[3:09:06] Voice 12: there's still some potential gaps and so it's an offering from somebody who you know respects the

[3:09:14] Voice 12: work and is really happy to do that yeah

[3:09:19] Voice 2: through the chair the you know the intention of the

[3:09:22] Voice 2: the frequently asked questions is to increase water literacy in the island's trust area and

[3:09:28] Voice 2: includes myself i mean i learned a lot answering the questions as well um and part of the success

[3:09:36] Voice 2: of this project is with the freshwater footprint was its connection to the community and hearing

[3:09:44] Voice 2: community members and you know that's not as just tidy as as a forum in a workshop it comes in all

[3:09:51] Voice 2: different forms um especially in the island stress area it's so unique um and the knowledge that that

[3:09:59] Voice 2: exists on islands so um yeah i i am open to to hearing it and like i said it could be an inquiry

[3:10:06] Voice 2: which is um i've handled a lot of those over the course of this project uh or something more formal

[3:10:15] Voice 12: so before you go for that the motion toby i just had one question to ask them

[3:10:25] Voice 12: William, this is, first of all, thank you so much, because the 63 questions are, wow,

[3:10:32] Voice 12: very, that's amazing work that you've done there, really collating the questions, some

[3:10:38] Voice 12: of which have come from us, but most of which have come from the

[3:10:41] Voice 11: public, and answering them

[3:10:43] Voice 12: so thoroughly, I'm so appreciative of that.

[3:10:45] Voice 12: I do have one more question, and this came from a hydropneologist in the community, and

[3:10:51] Voice 12: And it has to do with the groundwater regions, but not.

[3:10:54] Voice 12: Because the province looks at Gabriola with those two aquifers.

[3:10:58] Voice 12: They have, you know, AQ70 something and AQ730 something.

[3:11:03] Voice 12: And I remember talking to you about this earlier.

[3:11:07] Voice 12: So the northeast peninsula, sort of, of Gabriola is one aquifer.

[3:11:11] Voice 12: And then the entire rest of the island is another aquifer.

[3:11:15] Voice 12: I do know that between those two regions, there's a giant fault line.

[3:11:20] Voice 12: Is that why the province considers them two aquifers?

[3:11:26] Voice 2: Yeah, they're two distinct geological units, so they can be classified as two different aquifers, and so they are.

[3:11:36] Voice 2: um but when the for author for water authorizations uh the province does use

[3:11:43] Voice 2: groundwater regions as one of their lenses and when they're adjudicating um water demand on the

[3:11:50] Voice 2: islands so um the the aquifer the aquifers in the island's trust area actually act as more

[3:12:00] Voice 2: more governance structures. So aquifers can have aquifer notations on them. So say the risk of

[3:12:08] Voice 2: saltwater intrusion is high, that aquifer would get that notation. Or if there's an issue with

[3:12:15] Voice 2: some other quality, like there are some advisories of arsenic in the Islands Trust area on some

[3:12:21] Voice 2: aquifers. And so when there's work being done in that aquifer, say by water authorizations,

[3:12:28] Voice 2: then they they're compelled to look at those aquifer notations um so so it's it's it it is

[3:12:37] Voice 2: based on a geological definition which i provided in the frequently asked questions um and but it's

[3:12:45] Voice 2: also like a governance structure but but the province does know about the groundwater region

[3:12:50] Voice 2: i mean they they're the ones that drew them in the first place and we're just using them

[3:12:54] Voice 2: in the same way of of determining water authorizations and water budget based on

[3:12:59] Voice 2: these groundwater regions that are you know on the same scale as a collection of some watersheds

[3:13:05] Voice 2: and they all relate together so they're water management units not to say that that they're

[3:13:11] Voice 2: distinct water catchment features and it's not networked into the rest of the island that's

[3:13:18] Voice 2: that's not the point it's more looking at the governance unit as much as it is determined by

[3:13:25] Voice 2: the natural shape of the island thanks yes

[3:13:29] Voice 12: and what i really appreciate with the mapping that

[3:13:32] Voice 12: was done to show the the regions is it clearly shows the topography and the drainage with the

[3:13:38] Voice 12: arrows so you can understand oh yeah that's almost like a mini watershed each of those regions and

[3:13:44] Voice 12: And that's very helpful.

[3:13:45] Voice 12: So thank you.

[3:13:46] Voice 2: Yeah, and sorry, through the chair, based on that, in the Act for Conceptualization and Recharge mapping projects, we have in there the methodology that we modernized the groundwater regions where they needed to be.

[3:14:03] Voice 2: And some islands didn't have them.

[3:14:04] Voice 2: And so all the elements that went into determining groundwater region boundaries are in there.

[3:14:11] Voice 2: And of course, topography is one of them with watershed boundaries.

[3:14:14] Voice 2: and and then um there's there's um another approach where if there's a density of wells

[3:14:21] Voice 2: together then they're included in the groundwater region because the the idea is that groundwater

[3:14:26] Voice 2: regions the water users in those regions with the wells are sharing the the immediate recharge with

[3:14:33] Voice 2: each other that's the kind of concept yeah

[3:14:36] Voice 12: that's really clear thank you yeah

[3:14:38] Voice 2: well

[3:14:41] Voice 6: i i have my

[3:14:42] Voice 6: My question is, talk about the pay for the project.

[3:14:48] Voice 6: You talk about that the maps will only be updated

[3:14:50] Voice 6: if the science is updated.

[3:14:57] Voice 6: My question was though, who owns the model?

[3:15:01] Voice 6: I mean, because science is not just the only input

[3:15:07] Voice 6: into this, some of this was data use and changes

[3:15:10] Voice 6: or rainfall and climate change is doing what climate change is doing so the model may need

[3:15:17] Voice 6: to be updated who owns the model um

[3:15:21] Voice 2: so models uh is a difficult term so i'll just put that

[3:15:27] Voice 2: to the side for a second um the methodology was developed for the islands trust so

[3:15:32] Voice 2: So the resultant maps that were generated from first principles and open data from either

[3:15:43] Voice 2: the Islands Trust or the province's data catalog, even the data that was provided to

[3:15:55] Voice 2: GW Solutions as part of this work, say from Island Health, we got a lot of water quality

[3:16:00] Voice 2: data uh all of that data is available to the islands trust and we have free access to use

[3:16:07] Voice 2: that primary data we have free access to have the model and and for the output what what we don't

[3:16:17] Voice 2: require usually in these cases is be the deep under the hood processing work that a consultant

[3:16:25] Voice 2: resultant needs to do in order to deliver on the methodology so if there is some say machine

[3:16:32] Voice 2: learning thing that they built around the Wells database we wouldn't have that python code but

[3:16:38] Voice 2: we would have the resultant Excel file that they or the data you know the yeah the CSV or some

[3:16:46] Voice 2: sort of file that resulted in that work so there there's there's places in the whole process where

[3:16:54] Voice 2: Our Islands Trust is not privy to the tools that are developed in the course of the project that the consultant needed to build to deliver on it, but we have free access to the deliverables of the project and the methodology and the data that went into it.

[3:17:12] Voice 2: So if it was a significant change to, say, the freshwater hazard resultant map, that would likely require that expertise to initiate those tools to take the methodology into its deliverables, the maps, and provide that to staff.

[3:17:38] Voice 2: of course on the staff side we know how to process raster maps and indeed that's what we did so the

[3:17:45] Voice 2: resultant map you see in front of you is is from staff from the raw data that we got from gw

[3:17:51] Voice 2: solutions from their gis package that they provided us so all of the all of the elements in the request

[3:17:58] Voice 2: for proposal the islands trust put forward before gw solutions was procured for this project was

[3:18:05] Voice 2: delivered on. We didn't ask for some, you know, esoteric Python code or something. They delivered

[3:18:13] Voice 2: on the spatial database that we needed from the project and the, of course, the workshop

[3:18:21] Voice 2: deliverables and then the final report. And that's what we asked them to do in addition to

[3:18:28] Voice 2: cleaning and structuring the primary data.

[3:18:31] Voice 6: I mean, my concern just stemmed from, I always

[3:18:33] Voice 6: always read the fine print at the end of the reports and was one of the fine prints in there

[3:18:38] Voice 6: was basically that they had to do any of the changes if there were any changes in data so

[3:18:43] Voice 6: that one stuck out to me like a sore thumb

[3:18:45] Voice 11: so yeah

[3:18:46] Voice 2: so uh yeah through the chair you are the chair um

[3:18:50] Voice 2: through the chair that is you um yeah based on that

[3:18:53] Voice 2: um i think like there's uh there's also

[3:18:58] Voice 2: a process here right so the the idea is that during their work it'd be distracting if staff

[3:19:05] Voice 2: were going in there and changing the values that they're working with i mean that would just be a

[3:19:10] Voice 2: conflict but then following that like we i'm very clear that the resultant freshwater hazard map

[3:19:18] Voice 2: that's in front of the ltc today is that of staffs and we have buffered and filtered it in a way and

[3:19:24] Voice 2: And now we have, it seems like the LTC is signaling to staff to provide more information

[3:19:31] Voice 2: on that.

[3:19:31] Voice 2: But we're not saying that that's GW Solutions' final map.

[3:19:36] Voice 2: They provided us the raw information that's going into that.

[3:19:42] Voice 2: And so that raw data file from GW Solutions, we can't change it.

[3:19:49] Voice 2: No, that's what they stamped on and provided to us.

[3:19:52] Voice 2: So if we're going to use that data now we're taking responsibility of of the freshwater hazard scheduled map that we have that's in front of the LTC, that's, that's, that's responsibility of staff, based on the raw data from GW solutions.

[3:20:09] Voice 2: Yeah,

[3:20:10] Voice 6: I think the question 42 should probably be a little bit more clarified because, you know, will the maps be updated over time and basically only only at the science.

[3:20:19] Voice 6: improves so

[3:20:21] Voice 2: okay so yeah so if the science improves that means say if we get if there's a

[3:20:29] Voice 2: big push and we get 10 or 12 extra groundwater monitoring wells across the island or something

[3:20:34] Voice 2: like that and the science improves and there's an opportunity to to further develop these maps and

[3:20:40] Voice 2: then that opportunity exists where it comes down to say if the parcel fabric changes if there's a

[3:20:47] Voice 2: subdivision on Gabriel next year and we get a new parcel fabric, that change is on staff side

[3:20:54] Voice 2: because we're the ones that did the intersect with the parcels from GW Solutions raw data.

[3:21:00] Voice 2: So the raw data can only change if there is somewhat of a major update to that work. But

[3:21:08] Voice 2: doing administrative tweaks to the two maps that are provided, that's on the staff side.

[3:21:17] Voice 2: so we we're free to do that

[3:21:19] Voice 6: i'm just encouraging i think just instead of saying signs i think

[3:21:22] Voice 6: be better just to say significant data to change his input you know i think just broaden that a

[3:21:28] Voice 6: little bit because you know

[3:21:31] Voice 6: there could be a number of things that

[3:21:33] Voice 3: they

[3:21:34] Voice 6: may ask you to revisit

[3:21:36] Voice 6: the maps in the future we go into a five-year drought that won't drop a rain you know there

[3:21:43] Voice 6: are things that could

[3:21:44] Voice 12: be unusual. So the science might improve but other conditions could worsen

[3:21:49] Voice 12: but could have a serious effect yeah what might be bad yeah or

[3:21:55] Voice 2: a minor update yeah no that that's a

[3:21:57] Voice 2: good point I'll that's a good one too yeah thank you yeah that's a good one all right other

[3:22:04] Voice 11: questions on this document go

[3:22:06] Voice 12: ahead yeah so um again I really really appreciate you answering

[3:22:12] Voice 12: needs because and in the way that you did it just again it taught me so much and it actually

[3:22:19] Voice 12: confirms a lot of the feedback i've heard from older gabrielans who are like i i know this about

[3:22:29] Voice 12: that area and they'll tell me an anecdotal story um you know for instance you know sandstone is

[3:22:36] Voice 12: is hard and hold little water it doesn't translate and i was like yeah that's what this is saying

[3:22:42] Voice 12: okay there's coherence here so thank you so much for doing that work um back to i think i have one

[3:22:49] Voice 12: i

[3:22:50] Voice 2: just want to comment on that yeah um i i'm like i'm a trained geoscientist and i studied

[3:22:57] Voice 2: studying practice hydrogeology for over a decade and it it was a hard uh concept to grasp that

[3:23:05] Voice 2: that this that the shale is the aquifer and and that and and that work stemmed really from the

[3:23:11] Voice 2: work of Dr. Diana Allen and and and her work on this island and um yeah so it's it's different

[3:23:20] Voice 2: in in most like sedimentary aquifers the sandstone of the producer and the shales are the

[3:23:26] Voice 2: are the confining layer and just so happens that the island is backwards and I like that

[3:23:32] Voice 12: That's really interesting. I learned that on a geology tour of Gabriel on the committee bus.

[3:23:38] Voice 10: Of course.

[3:23:42] Voice 12: So yeah, I just want to go back to the freshwater hazard map because I have two questions.

[3:23:48] Voice 12: So the one that we have in the draft community plan and then the one that we're looking at today

[3:23:55] Voice 12: They are slightly different in that the previous one had a pink or orange freshwater hazard

[3:24:03] Voice 12: area and then the gray freshwater hazard parcel intersection with buffering and filtering.

[3:24:08] Voice 12: So then I, you know, you answered the questions about what is buffering and filtering.

[3:24:12] Voice 12: Why are we not seeing the pink or is this just a different overlay or a different output

[3:24:19] Voice 12: and why?

[3:24:20] Voice 12: uh

[3:24:21] Voice 2: yeah the schedule map would be the um the final parcel intersect so for the um the galliano

[3:24:31] Voice 2: development permit area we did the same thing i presented on the uh raw data groundwater and then

[3:24:39] Voice 2: and then overlay that on the parcel intersect to show the difference and so you've seen that

[3:24:45] Voice 2: But for the actual scheduled map that will go into the OCP, it'll just be which parcels met the threshold of inclusion, which is over 10% of freshwater hazard inside their property boundaries.

[3:25:03] Voice 2: So then they're just included and then that, and from the filtered and buffered, well, sorry, the buffering includes the parcels and the filtering, we're filtering in and out parcels based on like their designation in the LEB and other planning kind of considerations.

[3:25:25] Voice 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[3:25:28] Voice 12: So, so again, I think I would like to see whether it's a briefing or some kind of explanation because when people look at this map, there is confusion about, you know, in the previous one we've got we've got pink areas that are that go over parcels so clearly that's, you know, something that's defining the groundwater action.

[3:25:56] Voice 12: and then separated parcels.

[3:25:59] Voice 2: Just to jump in there, it's not groundwater action,

[3:26:02] Voice 2: that's freshwater hazard.

[3:26:03] Voice 12: Freshwater hazard, thank you.

[3:26:06] Voice 12: And then in the hazard parcels,

[3:26:11] Voice 12: which is just defined by lot area,

[3:26:16] Voice 12: people might go, why is it separated by parcels?

[3:26:21] Voice 12: Like, it just needs a little explanation,

[3:26:24] Voice 3: which

[3:26:24] Voice 12: is kind of what you just said.

[3:26:27] Voice 12: know, that helps translate the information would be great.

[3:26:33] Voice 2: Sure. Yes.

[3:26:36] Voice 12: We're not here for more. That would be. So the revolution I

[3:26:42] Voice 12: had about working with a resident, or there's actually

[3:26:46] Voice 12: two professional hydro geologists one of whom is

[3:26:50] Voice 12: retiring. Are you ready for that motion? Sure. Okay. I moved with

[3:26:58] Voice 12: gabriel island local trust committee requests that staff work with local professional hydrogeologists

[3:27:04] Voice 12: and you can say residing on gabriel but local is what i mean we wish to support the development

[3:27:10] Voice 12: of educational and interpretive communications materials related to the freshwater footprint

[3:27:15] Voice 12: project for supporting community understanding of the technical reports and potential policy

[3:27:25] Voice 8: I

[3:27:26] Voice 9: guess I have a question of how this fits in with your work plan and you have an existing

[3:27:38] Voice 9: project, the OCP project, so does this form part of that and what in that communications

[3:27:46] Voice 9: and engagement plan, how does it fit in in terms of timing and how is it going to support

[3:27:52] Voice 9: that project or is this a distinct project that the LGC is looking at and um

[3:27:57] Voice 8: I it's it's a pretty

[3:28:02] Voice 8: open-ended

[3:28:03] Voice 12: not necessarily a distinct project but because the conversation is ongoing about

[3:28:08] Voice 12: water and there are community groups organizing dialogues about water what I see is the trustees

[3:28:16] Voice 12: and community members acknowledge there were kind of links to the community to kind of clarify

[3:28:21] Voice 12: clarify what is still not understood what do we need to clarify and it might be uh explain this

[3:28:28] Voice 12: map better and a hydrogeologist can can either point to the existing information like oh here

[3:28:35] Voice 12: it is in the report and i could just produce a paragraph that explains that or maybe work with

[3:28:43] Voice 12: william on a different output because it's not clear or on a briefing note so it's not asking

[3:28:50] Voice 12: for a separate project but communications how we communicate out materials somebody's offering now

[3:29:00] Voice 9: so i think it would be clearest if it was included in that communications engagement plan then

[3:29:06] Voice 9: and that way it's also clear when what the timing is is this something that's happening

[3:29:11] Voice 9: prior to first reading in the next month or which i don't know comment like we would need to i guess

[3:29:17] Voice 9: it's absolutely it feels like there's some flexities and to make sure that we're actually

[3:29:22] Voice 9: delivering what you're asking for in a way that's that's

[3:29:25] Voice 12: realistic yeah

[3:29:26] Voice 9: realistic and helpful well

[3:29:31] Voice 12: i was thinking they would more work with william who i'm asking for more briefing notes for things

[3:29:38] Voice 12: um so i wasn't thinking to put more on your plates okay

[3:29:43] Voice 3: and

[3:29:44] Voice 12: it sounded like william was

[3:29:45] Voice 12: willing to to work to at least assess what could be done but I'm not wanting

[3:29:54] Voice 12: to put a timeline on it this could be after first reading this could be

[3:30:01] Voice 12: just to help support the process.

[3:30:07] Voice 12: Yeah, I wasn't meaning to put it in a different place.

[3:30:09] Voice 12: I don't

[3:30:10] Voice 9: know which process, the OCP?

[3:30:13] Voice 12: More the Freshwater Footprint, specific to this project, which is closed.

[3:30:21] Voice 9: Closed?

[3:30:22] Voice 12: Yeah.

[3:30:23] Voice 12: So

[3:30:23] Voice 9: that was fitting within that OCP project, to be able to see that.

[3:30:27] Voice 6: That is how it is, yeah.

[3:30:29] Voice 9: Yeah,

[3:30:29] Voice 6: I was going to have one suggestion, I think that the, then you're about to take a motion that you receive accept this report, don't accept this report, you want this report revised or reviewed after the input from I'm just trying to find where does this belong.

[3:30:45] Voice 6: That might be where this belongs. If the outcome needs to be described, if this is meant to be a communications piece, it's going to reside somewhere.

[3:30:53] Voice 6: The Q&A, the fact that the frequently asked questions, you're talking about communicating this material.

[3:31:04] Voice 11: But

[3:31:04] Voice 6: I mean, for staff to understand where this can belong, this is a home, this is a product.

[3:31:10] Voice 6: Well,

[3:31:11] Voice 12: I'm actually trying to help alleviate some of the load.

[3:31:16] Voice 12: You know, William said there's two paths.

[3:31:18] Voice 12: When people have questions, they can write to Freshwater at Atlas Trust, and he can answer individually.

[3:31:24] Voice 8: And

[3:31:24] Voice 12: that is what's happening.

[3:31:27] Voice 12: That's quite a load.

[3:31:28] Voice 12: if there is in our engagement over the summer we're hearing questions related

[3:31:36] Voice 12: to translating technical material there could be if William is willing to work

[3:31:43] Voice 12: with a community member to help answer some of those questions or produce

[3:31:48] Voice 12: something different that's not really getting a policy direction it's just

[3:31:53] Voice 12: clarifying the material that exists would that not so

[3:31:57] Voice 2: through the chair just through the through

[3:32:00] Voice 2: the chair on that uh me accepting like or receiving inquiries and and responding is my daily job i

[3:32:09] Voice 2: mean that's what i do all the time um coordinating with like you didn't really even mention names

[3:32:16] Voice 2: you said hydrogeologists from across gabriel and there's probably at least a dozen so

[3:32:22] Voice 2: So coordinating with community members and going through a meaningful process is that's part of a project, this project, right?

[3:32:32] Voice 2: Rather than just me receiving an inquiry via email and I'm answering it back.

[3:32:38] Voice 2: That's just me communicating with the residents as part of my daily job.

[3:32:44] Voice 2: So I think that your ask is reversed of effort.

[3:32:49] Voice 2: If you pass the resolution to work with hydrogeologists on Gabriola, I'm not suggesting that I don't want to do that.

[3:33:01] Voice 2: I'm just saying that's significant than just receiving it if someone writes me an email and I read it.

[3:33:07] Voice 12: Okay.

[3:33:09] Voice 2: Go ahead, Justine.

[3:33:10] Voice 12: I have an idea.

[3:33:12] Voice 12: I do think that we should receive this freshwater footprint briefing and fact document as is.

[3:33:19] Voice 12: um it's and and go from there here's an idea i i think i know the two hydrogeologists um you

[3:33:26] Voice 12: refer to they're definitely legitimate they definitely support our process um i'm thinking

[3:33:33] Voice 12: that we should ask them and i think i know that both of them are already attending this talk this

[3:33:40] Voice 12: gabriella talks meeting on the 23rd about water and i'm thinking we should talk to them at that

[3:33:47] Voice 12: meeting and in front of the public who are attending that meeting, I think it's

[3:33:52] Voice 12: going to be very well attended, to see how they can help us at our meetings, our

[3:34:01] Voice 12: meet and greet meetings, our OCP update meetings. I'm thinking that we should

[3:34:06] Voice 12: come and do them ourselves for helpful interpretation of things that

[3:34:12] Voice 12: that shouldn't become a project or extra work

[3:34:17] Voice 12: that we need to add to a schedule.

[3:34:20] Voice 12: I'm thinking their best work might be literally with us

[3:34:25] Voice 12: through these sorts of things,

[3:34:27] Voice 12: but to make sure we include them.

[3:34:29] Voice 12: We absolutely certainly come to these meetings

[3:34:31] Voice 12: and they're available to help us interpret.

[3:34:35] Voice 12: Like someone say someone asks at this meeting,

[3:34:37] Voice 12: asks us a pretty technical question

[3:34:40] Voice 12: question about groundwater on Gabriel and we don't find it in in William's report perhaps one of

[3:34:46] Voice 12: these two people can help us answer that question and and see how that process works. I think that

[3:34:52] Voice 12: is the desire the desire is to support community understanding of the materials that are already

[3:34:58] Voice 12: presented. I guess the question that was asked by Liz was about comparison between past and future

[3:35:08] Voice 12: future map, current mapping, about climate change elements, and how, whether different

[3:35:21] Voice 12: overlays might be created. So there were some specific questions that she had, and I just

[3:35:27] Voice 12: haven't had enough time to connect you to. Perhaps, let's just, can I connect you with

[3:35:33] Voice 12: the people in question, or the person in question who's offered, and we just won't make a

[3:35:39] Voice 12: resolution and we'll see how this process goes in the next month and if we need more

[3:35:47] Voice 12: information translation we can ask for that in the august meeting yes that's what i would suggest

[3:35:55] Voice 12: that let's connect these two with william okay economic discussion we can have a discussion

[3:36:03] Voice 12: around the process and then we can come back at the august meeting and talk about whether there's

[3:36:09] Voice 12: any um any any resolution required in order to allocate staff time yeah i mean right now

[3:36:16] Voice 12: what we're talking about right now is just our general us connecting with community members who

[3:36:21] Voice 12: have uh who have some insight they want to share that's that's part of our agenda okay

[3:36:27] Voice 8: yeah great

[3:36:30] Voice 8: yeah any

[3:36:32] Voice 12: other questions on the um no

[3:36:35] Voice 8: i think i

[3:36:38] Voice 12: think i might need to make this

[3:36:39] Voice 12: I mean, there was a spelling mistake.

[3:36:44] Voice 2: Chair, if I may, so I'm returning to the LTC with further work regarding the maps,

[3:36:57] Voice 2: either by way of, it's likely going to just be a staff report.

[3:37:01] Voice 2: Is there a resolution for that?

[3:37:03] Voice 2: Do we need a resolution for that?

[3:37:06] Voice 2: That's my question.

[3:37:07] Voice 2: and just one other comment about hydrogeologists you know we're an interesting group of humans

[3:37:13] Voice 2: and um very intelligent people and much

[3:37:23] Voice 2: and and you know much like like doctors who are highly intelligent people or lawyers or teachers

[3:37:30] Voice 2: you know you can ask them the same question and you might get six different answers from six

[3:37:35] Voice 2: six different professionals so uh and it depends on where those professionals did a lot of their

[3:37:42] Voice 2: work right so um there's some amazing research professionals and and both consultants and

[3:37:48] Voice 2: and the the view of uh around this work around the regulatory lens sometimes it it takes the

[3:37:55] Voice 2: that planning and and policy liberty to make it fit um and and so sometimes the true research

[3:38:04] Voice 2: scientist is at odds with how this work is laid out in policy so that's just one comment i wanted

[3:38:12] Voice 2: to make yeah yeah

[3:38:15] Voice 6: but it also helps local hydrogeologists are always

[3:38:19] Voice 2: always or you know

[3:38:21] Voice 2: who i like the local hydrogeologist the the farmer that's been using their well for 30 years like

[3:38:27] Voice 2: that all of those stories are qualitative analysis it's so important and and the freshwater footprint

[3:38:34] Voice 2: one of our biggest um successes in this work was uh our undertaking of an understanding of how

[3:38:42] Voice 2: social science really benefits this work and there's so much more work to do there and it's

[3:38:48] Voice 2: embedded in communications and coordination and and the better we do at communications and

[3:38:54] Voice 2: coordination the the more rich that social science data is and and and then it it then embeds the

[3:39:02] Voice 2: story and the knowledge and the culture of the island into the work so yeah thanks yeah that's

[3:39:09] Voice 12: so true yeah so yeah i think we should give a resolution to ask for a briefing notes that would

[3:39:16] Voice 12: would be attached or to explain them to maps.

[3:39:21] Voice 12: That was my one ask.

[3:39:23] Voice 12: I would suggest that a recommendation,

[3:39:25] Voice 12: like a resolution to allocate staff

[3:39:30] Voice 12: to provide that bridge base, I think

[3:39:32] Voice 10: would be .

[3:39:33] Voice 12: And my second request or resolution

[3:39:36] Voice 12: was to ask for, I don't know what that was,

[3:39:43] Voice 12: basically information from the drinking water

[3:39:45] Voice 12: and watershed oh

[3:39:47] Voice 2: yeah sure right i'll yeah that's the other one thank you for reminding me

[3:39:51] Voice 2: yeah it'll probably be like a two-page two-page briefing on the rdn's drinking water and watershed

[3:39:57] Voice 2: protection program um and then i'll also describe like what the technical advisory

[3:40:02] Voice 2: committee is um the island trust has been a member of that before i was here sonia was

[3:40:08] Voice 2: on that committee before i was hired but

[3:40:11] Voice 6: your specific question was more on the risk associated

[3:40:14] Voice 6: with the off-island sources well

[3:40:16] Voice 2: that's yes and that's part of it because i in that briefing i'll

[3:40:20] Voice 2: okay i'll describe like the work that they're undertaking to do that but yes thank you that

[3:40:25] Voice 2: was the the nature of the topic not just a general inquiry so that should also be captured in there

[3:40:30] Voice 2: like based with you know based on or with respect to off-island water sustainability as it relates

[3:40:38] Voice 2: to gabriel island i mean that's what we're talking about right yeah okay great yeah

[3:40:42] Voice 12: so so i had a

[3:40:43] Voice 12: motion prepared for that one. Do you want to do that one? Sure. Okay. I move that the

[3:40:48] Voice 12: Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee request staff provide a briefing with updates and

[3:40:56] Voice 12: feel free to correct the language here on the drinking water and watershed protection program

[3:41:01] Voice 12: in particular with regard to the long-term security and access for commercial use of water

[3:41:09] Voice 12: for gabriella island water region six nanaimo river that's

[3:41:14] Voice 11: very specific no is that good i i

[3:41:18] Voice 2: like that you you don't have to use the word commercial right because if because it there's

[3:41:24] Voice 2: a lot of different ways of water coming to gabriola um and and and so yeah but no it's

[3:41:30] Voice 2: great resolution yep

[3:41:31] Voice 11: just a minute let me make sure lisa's got it i send it to you yeah yes

[3:41:42] Voice 9: suggestion maybe to add regional district at the end? Okay

[3:41:46] Voice 11: let's just take a moment make those

[3:41:50] Voice 11: couple of changes remove commercial and add drinking water and watershed protection program

[3:42:01] Voice 10: drinking water and watershed protection program.

[3:42:13] Voice 11: Do you want to read that back? Sure.

[3:42:15] Voice 11: We've been shared smoothed that given a lot of the adjustability request staff provided

[3:42:21] Voice 11: a briefing with updates on the regional district of the normal drinking water watershed protection

[3:42:26] Voice 11: program

[3:42:26] Voice 12: in particular

[3:42:27] Voice 12: with regard to the long-term security

[3:42:29] Voice 10: and access to the use of water for

[3:42:32] Voice 10: gabriel island for water region six new nile river

[3:42:38] Voice 6: everyone's okay with that not hearing any uh

[3:42:45] Voice 6: you're still finding the motion as red yeah is there a second

[3:42:48] Voice 6: second by trustee aids any discussion all the vote all those in favor that carries

[3:42:57] Voice 12: Okay, so the second one would be something like requesting staff to provide briefing notes to accompany the map of Schedule D, or the freshwater hazards parcel map, and the critical aquifer recharge area.

[3:43:24] Voice 11: Could you repeat what you said?

[3:43:26] Voice 11: Uh,

[3:43:26] Voice 12: Gabriel, uh, local trust committee request staff provide briefing notes to accompany the two, well, the critical aquifer recharge area map and freshwater hazard parcel map.

[3:43:44] Or

[3:43:49] Voice 12: briefings. Maybe just briefings.

[3:44:03] Voice 12: Council Committee request staff to provide briefing notes to accompany the freshwater hazard parcel map and the critical aquifer recharge area map.

[3:44:13] Voice 12: Do you want to say what they're part of or does it matter?

[3:44:16] Voice 11: Does that all make sense to staff?

[3:44:22] Voice 11: Objections? So is there

[3:44:24] Voice 6: a second? Seconded by Trustee

[3:44:26] Voice 11: Yates. Any discussion?

[3:44:28] Voice 6: Call the vote. All those in favor? That carries.

[3:44:30] Voice 11: Thank

[3:44:31] Voice 12: you. Can we make the final motion now?

[3:44:33] Voice 12: One correction, sorry. Page 8 of your frequently asked questions, 90 of the minutes.

[3:44:40] Voice 12: Question 16. How long did the project take?

[3:44:44] Voice 12: I think its results went to the Gabriela Local Trust Committee, not Trust Council.

[3:44:55] Voice 12: did

[3:44:58] Voice 8: the trust council see it no um just

[3:45:09] Voice 2: based on that um i mean this might be a sidebar question

[3:45:12] Voice 2: but um as you recall the the project was funded uh like through trust council um for the purposes

[3:45:21] Voice 2: of it being a methodology that extends to the across the island trust area and and so happened

[3:45:28] Voice 2: and that gabriela is in this project and and and was a good candidate for the case study

[3:45:32] Voice 2: so since trust council hasn't seen it but that was the direction that the ltc gave trust council

[3:45:42] Voice 2: or the support was that it it um was meant for that purpose of designing a methodology for the

[3:45:49] Voice 2: rest of the island trust area is there any direction from the ltc to take this to trust

[3:45:56] Voice 2: council um in any way i

[3:46:00] Voice 6: uh my recommendation would be as i think this is now more of an onboarding

[3:46:05] Voice 6: um as you and the planning staff were talking about what they're going to educate new trustees

[3:46:12] Voice 6: on um i would hope that there would be a portfolio of fresh water education items that you would

[3:46:19] Voice 6: include whether it's its own special light or included in one of the meetings but this should

[3:46:24] Voice 6: be packaged amongst that

[3:46:25] Voice 11: material how you deliver it i see

[3:46:29] Voice 12: trustees have opinions just a quick

[3:46:31] Voice 12: question would it also has this already been seen by the regional planning committee and should be

[3:46:37] Voice 12: no yeah because we have that's part of our project it should go to regional planning committee and

[3:46:43] Voice 12: potentially because it's part of the report you have to just counsel yeah um but you might want

[3:46:49] Voice 12: to i

[3:46:50] Voice 11: don't know if there is any yeah uh

[3:46:52] Voice 2: yeah uh well sorry um yeah the that agenda package goes

[3:46:57] Voice 2: out tomorrow so um if uh sorry this is through the chair if if the ltc would like to um include

[3:47:06] Voice 2: that i could just provide a real small briefing and send it to stephan for his review um to put

[3:47:13] Voice 2: on the rpc agenda package which is due tomorrow yeah

[3:47:17] Voice 6: i think i think we can leave that to you

[3:47:20] Voice 6: Do we need to give you direction, or do you think staff will need to see the realities of that, depending on the size of the package?

[3:47:29] Voice 2: Yeah, it seems like if the LTC thinks that's a good idea, I think then that's fine.

[3:47:34] Voice 2: I don't think we need a resolution.

[3:47:36] Voice 2: I

[3:47:36] Voice 6: think for general consent, I'm seeing thumbs up that, of course, they would like to share the information.

[3:47:42] Voice 6: and that's definitely part of the new onboarding

[3:47:47] Voice 6: that should be brought to the trustees' attention

[3:47:50] Voice 6: so they're aware this exists

[3:47:51] Voice 6: and maybe coming to an island near you.

[3:47:54] Voice 6: That's great.

[3:47:54] Voice 12: Okay. Yeah, great.

[3:47:55] Voice 12: Now we can approve this one.

[3:47:57] Voice 12: All right.

[3:47:58] Voice 12: I move that Gabriel on a local committee

[3:48:00] Voice 12: receive the fresh water footprint briefing

[3:48:03] Voice 12: and frequently asked questions document

[3:48:06] Voice 12: provided by the senior fresh water specialist.

[3:48:09] Voice 11: Does it have to have an as amended in there?

[3:48:15] Voice 11: is there a second second by trustee elliott

[3:48:18] Voice 6: any discussion all the vote all those in favor that

[3:48:21] Voice 6: carries yay one

[3:48:23] Voice 12: more to go all right now the big

[3:48:25] Voice 12: one thank you william yeah

[3:48:27] Voice 2: thank thank you so much

[3:48:28] Voice 2: chair and and thank you to the ltc for your support on this project that's

[3:48:32] Voice 11: been great thank

[3:48:33] Voice 11: you what's up you know you want to you want to deal with the special meeting we i thought we

[3:48:37] Voice 11: didn't that we didn't. No, we didn't the social media. Yes,

[3:48:45] Voice 12: we did.

[3:48:55] Voice 11: All right, so now we're

[3:48:56] Voice 6: on to the options. Did you want to

[3:49:00] Voice 6: present that? First, how you'd

[3:49:04] Voice 11: like the structure of this

[3:49:05] Voice 11: conversation? What we would do is just go through

[3:49:08] Voice 12: The table, basically, is on page

[3:49:10] Voice 12: 67 for anyone listening. Yeah, so go through the OCP draft policy table. So basically what's happened here is that staff have taken all the have gone through all of the correspondence that have been received and have had

[3:49:30] Voice 12: had one-on-one conversations with both local trustees,

[3:49:35] Voice 12: Trustee Yates and Trustee Elliot,

[3:49:37] Voice 12: and gathered, who have also been gathering feedback

[3:49:41] Voice 12: from the community.

[3:49:43] Voice 12: So that feedback has been considered

[3:49:47] Voice 12: in terms of how it could be reflected

[3:49:51] Voice 12: in potential changes to the existing policies.

[3:49:56] Voice 12: And that's what you see here.

[3:49:58] Voice 12: and so there is a little bit of a note there that um you know we do have a agenda deadline which is

[3:50:05] Voice 12: uh you know quite some a bit more than a week ahead of time so so not everything may might be

[3:50:12] Voice 12: in here but the the to the extent possible um we have included as much um that we were able to

[3:50:20] Voice 12: which is also you know that that the august meeting provides that opportunity to catch

[3:50:25] Voice 12: catch things that have been coming in sort of last minute as

[3:50:30] Voice 8: it

[3:50:30] Voice 12: were with that into that the June 30 deadline as well as as

[3:50:36] Voice 12: the thing as the things that will come in the comments that

[3:50:40] Voice 12: will that will come in before July 6. So I think I think just

[3:50:46] Voice 12: going through this and what I would ask is, you know, we can

[3:50:49] Voice 12: go through I think there's some decisions to be made. What staff

[3:50:53] Voice 12: would like is to go away and be able to make the changes that you agree to at this point in time,

[3:51:00] Voice 12: I would suggest that if you get hung up on some and you need to think about it a little bit more,

[3:51:04] Voice 12: we can move it to August. So we have that as an opportunity so we don't have to spend

[3:51:10] Voice 12: too much time if you're not feeling like you want to make it. But as many as you can decide

[3:51:16] Voice 12: is useful because then you can get make those changes.

[3:51:21] Voice 12: I'll also note that, well that's my first thing that I'll note. So let's start with the first

[3:51:30] Voice 12: in those two. So the first sort of section there was the editorial

[3:51:35] Voice 12: changes. One of the things I think was some conversation about with the numbering.

[3:51:41] Voice 12: We did figure out a methodology to bring that down to four numbers, and it feels pretty

[3:51:51] Voice 12: solid.

[3:51:53] Voice 12: So when the draft ed will go to the first reading, we'll have that new numbering.

[3:51:59] Voice 12: We're going to maintain what we've got on the website right now, because that's what

[3:52:02] Voice 12: people have been looking at, and so the reference numbers will remain as they are for now.

[3:52:07] Voice 12: um but um but yeah by like but taking numbers out of some headings etc it makes sense when you say

[3:52:15] Voice 12: remain as they are now you're including what's in this document right yeah like

[3:52:20] Voice 1: i

[3:52:20] Voice 12: have a question with regard to that just really quickly

[3:52:28] Voice 12: planner chapter because we did talk about this um there's some sections especially i think under

[3:52:34] Voice 12: EPA guidelines where there's a there's a main heading then there's two sort of subheadings

[3:52:39] Voice 12: and there'll be something like guidelines and then nothing and then policies and then a bunch

[3:52:44] Voice 12: of numbers whereas really the policies are the guidelines and so they could simply be numbered

[3:52:50] Voice 12: under the guidelines that kind of thing like I noticed yeah there's headings and then two more

[3:52:56] Voice 12: headings and then well wait that heading doesn't really have anything under it except what's under

[3:53:01] Voice 12: the next site heading yeah so that will all be cleaned out yeah yeah yeah so yeah epas will have

[3:53:08] Voice 12: their own like something and uh the suggestion and we'll get to that in a minute is to remove

[3:53:17] Voice 12: the dpa and the cup guidelines from and put them into the language yeah i'm just going to tick that

[3:53:24] Voice 12: actually we don't need a thumbs up

[3:53:26] Voice 12: as desperately as we want them that is the right place for us

[3:53:30] Voice 12: Okay, so moving down, we have, and I would just say, like, we've had some great, great feedback from the community. There's obviously some very engaged city members that have spent a lot of time, and I will say staff are reading every word.

[3:53:48] Voice 12: it. And, and, and, and some of them, I mean, there's been some

[3:53:53] Voice 12: really, really great editorial suggestions, very, very, very

[3:53:57] Voice 12: detailed things. And I really, you know, staff would really

[3:54:00] Voice 12: appreciate that we tried to get this document out as fast as we

[3:54:04] Voice 12: could. We recognize that there, there were, you know, some sort

[3:54:11] Voice 12: of editorial things that were needed some attention. So thanks

[3:54:17] Voice 12: to those, those three members that have flagged them, who are creating a track

[3:54:22] Voice 12: changes document that has all those. And so these things include the use of the

[3:54:28] Voice 12: word, how we use it, suggested the word in one place, a couple of places, made

[3:54:35] Voice 12: sense, the use of the word moderate, middle, and medium, we're using the word

[3:54:41] Voice 12: moderate, because that's the most important thing, there were, there was an

[3:54:44] Voice 12: occasion where we use middle and then we use medium that's just those are just things that

[3:54:49] Voice 12: happen when you're moving fast through something regarding obtainable is there any appropriate

[3:54:53] Voice 12: place for it because i don't understand anything that's attainable whether it's affordable it's

[3:54:58] Voice 12: something we're still using the word attainable so the suggestion was to remove it from two places

[3:55:02] Voice 12: where it didn't match the the meaning that we're existing we're currently using we're using the

[3:55:07] Voice 12: word attainable because that is a new planning essentially it's a new one that's emerged because

[3:55:14] Voice 12: there's a housing situation that we missed so there's affordable which is basically like the

[3:55:19] Voice 12: lower income housing usually with uh um uh supported with uh housing agreements and then

[3:55:25] Voice 12: attainable houses that the word attainable in the housing realm is being used to refer to housing

[3:55:30] Voice 12: that that is that can be that is attainable to a um like a middle income that's okay kind of

[3:55:40] Voice 12: scenario so i did a bit of research again uh just to double check because that was my that's why i

[3:55:45] Voice 12: had used the word to begin with so the research kind of confirms that so and also uh our community

[3:55:51] Voice 12: member didn't have a problem with the word attainable in the way that it's being used to

[3:55:55] Voice 12: refer to that particular type of housing it was how we had used it in a couple of other places

[3:55:59] Voice 12: that didn't correspond to that yeah right

[3:56:03] Voice 9: if i can just add to because i get a concern about it

[3:56:06] Voice 9: being interpreted really really broad is that there is a definition of attainable housing as

[3:56:11] Voice 9: well in the draft currently so

[3:56:13] Voice 10: excellent okay

[3:56:17] Voice 12: yeah um so yeah so there's some consistency things here

[3:56:25] Voice 12: um so with respect to referring to land sometimes we refer to land use the land use

[3:56:32] Voice 12: bylaws sometimes we refer to the regulations we're just going to refer to land use regulations in all

[3:56:37] Voice 12: cases. There was, somebody had identified that the parts of protected maps were not updated,

[3:56:45] Voice 12: so that's about that. Yeah. There's some, yeah there were some references to things,

[3:56:54] Voice 12: like this is an example here, 1.2.8, where there was some additional information that needed to be

[3:57:00] Voice 12: added, so we're doing that. And when I say other editorial changes, these are things like what was

[3:57:07] Voice 12: pointed out is we we don't we're not we're not saying preserve as much as we're saying protect

[3:57:11] Voice 12: so we should be saying preserve and protect so in the instance it's we're using the language of the

[3:57:16] Voice 12: of the elements um and there's there's sort of some other comments related that are easy

[3:57:23] Voice 12: easy easy to integrate and make the document uh read better so we're we're going through and

[3:57:30] Voice 12: making those changes and when we get trapped changes versions so like you'll be able to see

[3:57:34] Voice 12: that um there was there was some comments on um the use of the words must should it manage

[3:57:41] Voice 12: and can't and this is something i i put this in here for some clarity um that was really helpful

[3:57:48] Voice 12: yeah so

[3:57:48] Voice 12: we never use the word shell that's doesn't that is not a word that's used it

[3:57:52] Voice 12: it's legally ambiguous so i think it's also considered archaic at this point yeah correct

[3:57:57] Voice 12: correct yeah so we've been instructed you know again you know stephen and i sort of of course

[3:58:02] Voice 12: policy writing that said never, don't wish out any more. Must is really only used when

[3:58:09] Voice 12: it is something that is a requirement usually through a bridge requirement or so forth.

[3:58:16] Voice 12: So as we mentioned it before, the policies can't fit at the discretion of the LTC at the time,

[3:58:25] Voice 12: so that's why the strongest word that you can be really should it it it might not be a must or

[3:58:34] Voice 12: else you're that was very helpful when you said that about bettering the discretion of future

[3:58:39] Voice 12: LTCs because I thought well of course it should be a must or you know because it feels like it

[3:58:43] Voice 12: should be right and um so so we're doing our best to use the right words we did do a bit of a we did

[3:58:55] Voice 12: So we will be going through it again, and what should be a should is a may, we'll certainly make that change.

[3:59:07] Voice 9: Well, just to say, because it's easy enough to do, there might be a couple instances where there is a must, but they should be deliberate, I guess.

[3:59:17] Voice 9: And there's those very limited

[3:59:18] Voice 9: instances, talking about where you can't

[3:59:21] Voice 10: do that anymore.

[3:59:23] Voice 12: And that makes sense.

[3:59:27] Voice 12: Yeah. Yeah. So on the vision statement, that was a call out to the community. And I guess

[3:59:33] Voice 12: Oh, wow, then we get a lot of things came by. And so FCH took the time to go through them all

[3:59:40] Voice 12: and then construct this vision statement here. So I guess, I guess what we need is just

[3:59:49] Voice 12: endorsement that you want to be for this plan being as in the, and that would really be Toby

[3:59:56] Voice 12: Yeah, I'm generally, I like it.

[4:00:00] Voice 12: lot better thank you so much susan to everybody who gave their input that was really helpful and

[4:00:05] Voice 12: i love seeing the different views of gabriela my one question about it is indigenous and local

[4:00:13] Voice 12: cultural heritage um i've heard you know local culture raised in a few different ways and i just

[4:00:22] Voice 12: don't know it's kind of ambiguous i know we're not talking about settler heritage but it's sort

[4:00:31] Voice 12: of like how the island like our island culture and so is local appropriate or i couldn't think

[4:00:40] Voice 12: of any other word that islander um yeah i don't i don't want so i don't think settlers are appropriate

[4:00:47] Voice 12: um island culture island culture yeah like well i mean you guys can change that word

[4:00:55] Voice 12: i'll think about it i want to change too much it's just the local yeah yeah you've got time

[4:01:02] Voice 12: so um maybe maybe just think about it and then uh uh yeah maybe we'll put our heads to it too

[4:01:10] Voice 12: and i'm gonna work in august uh local covers it though like local leaves it open

[4:01:16] Voice 12: open without i don't know i almost think anyway i already did this what am i saying

[4:01:24] Voice 12: yeah no wow there was only going to be eight there were 12 that i was trying to yeah you know

[4:01:32] Voice 12: put into one without making it four pages long and um locals seem to suit everybody's

[4:01:41] Voice 12: preference the one that people did not like is the word settlement no and it does have an odd

[4:01:48] Voice 12: connotation so i would never use that in a vision state my other feedback would be use the word

[4:01:53] Voice 12: collaboratively twice collaboratively in the collaboration um could the first one be cooperatively

[4:02:00] Voice 12: to balance human needs i mean cooperation is in the mandate and that or cooperation among maybe

[4:02:09] Voice 3: maybe

[4:02:09] Voice 12: cooperation among residents yeah i

[4:02:11] Voice 12: thought about that too i thought oh there's twice in this

[4:02:14] Voice 12: one document let's change that second one because cooperation you know we work in cooperation with

[4:02:19] Voice 12: these other agencies and yeah so i think that one would be a good swap but yeah i

[4:02:27] Voice 12: like it i think

[4:02:28] Voice 12: it's cleaner it doesn't say anything about marine environment though no because but our other places

[4:02:43] Voice 12: I mean we're an island it's kind of central but well let's just leave it for now it's

[4:02:54] Voice 8: great

[4:02:54] Voice 12: islands ecological limits and and I think all of us just assume that includes the shores

[4:03:02] Voice 12: because we're islands okay well you have time to think about it more and for the time being

[4:03:08] Voice 11: myself

[4:03:08] Voice 12: change that word and then yeah okay let's get into the meat of it okay moving on so goals

[4:03:16] Voice 12: and objectives uh there's an identified need uh for an objective that addresses

[4:03:21] Voice 12: so i've got an option there um if you're if you agree with that um

[4:03:31] Voice 12: So question. When I was, you know, and I referred you to the draft policy statement handbook which had some policies about supporting indigenous interests with regard to access rights and all of that.

[4:03:49] Voice 12: Did you explore any of those as potential?

[4:03:54] Voice 12: Because there's a lot of policies that I hadn't considered, and could we raise that with any

[4:04:02] Voice 12: conversations with Linnea about to sort of...

[4:04:05] Voice 12: Yeah, I mean, I think the general nature of these policies is in step with what I'm saying

[4:04:13] Voice 12: there.

[4:04:14] Voice 12: I can do another read-through and just see if we've missed anything.

[4:04:18] Voice 12: anything so the option that you've given us here i really like i mean i'm really really glad we

[4:04:24] Voice 12: have this option that's been added um i think that one that you get i put a big blue tick

[4:04:31] Voice 12: beside it like that looks really good to me i think i mean i would go i would go with that

[4:04:38] Voice 12: for this draft and see what else we get if

[4:04:41] Voice 12: anything comes up in your conversation

[4:04:44] Voice 12: sure yeah yeah that would be great to i did uh yeah all right and then before we move on from

[4:04:55] Voice 12: the goals please so 2.2.2 did which is protection of the natural environment biodiversity

[4:05:07] Voice 12: diversity, we did have some feedback about, so my question was, why is objective 2.2.2.2

[4:05:22] Voice 12: protect, restore, and enhance ecosystem integrity, and then that same language could be reflected

[4:05:28] Voice 12: in protect, restore, and enhance marine ecosystems, or not?

[4:05:33] Voice 12: What page are you on?

[4:05:34] Voice 12: I'm using the staff report, and it's a different issue.

[4:05:37] Voice 12: Well, I just

[4:05:38] Voice 12: want to be in

[4:05:39] Voice 12: objectives, right? Yes, I mean objectives. Yeah, we could do that. We could. I think that's a good happen in here, but I think we can use the same language for 2.2 point 2.2 point 2.2 point 2.3 so we can make them less.

[4:05:56] Voice 12: Yeah, because it's the policy is just sort of protect from degradation incompatible development it doesn't like there's nothing about restoring or enhancing or supporting the natural habitat come back.

[4:06:12] Voice 12: And then moving down to 5, 2.5, just wondering if the word critical needs to be in there or aquifer is a non-protect critical aquifer or was there a reason it's just not?

[4:06:25] Voice 8: I

[4:06:25] Voice 12: think I think just say awkward because I think you want to protect the entire can right so as a as an objective you're protecting.

[4:06:35] Voice 10: All water.

[4:06:36] Voice 12: Island aquifer of water.

[4:06:39] Voice 12: And then we can be specific, but critical when you.

[4:06:42] Voice 12: The dpa all right.

[4:06:47] Voice 12: Moving on to definitions, so are you changing the project, are you present in the next one, where it's going to be preserved.

[4:06:54] Voice 12: Wherever there's protect, where it says protect, it's going to say preserve and protect, and that happens like throughout the document.

[4:07:00] Voice 12: Okay. And then, sorry, one more in objectives before we move on, and that's in 2.2244 under community resilience.

[4:07:12] Voice 12: That could be protect, restore, and enhance, or protect, like...

[4:07:21] Voice 12: Related to forests?

[4:07:22] Voice 12: yeah related to forests and wetlands and other like this is this is actually a huge area that

[4:07:28] Voice 12: i think we need discussion on is how to support creation of wetlands and water sinks and yes

[4:07:34] Voice 12: just better than manage and

[4:07:40] Voice 1: revitalize

[4:07:41] Voice 12: or um like like how galliano conservancy does a lot

[4:07:44] Voice 12: of restoration yeah restore yeah yeah check restore and revitalize yeah forests wetlands

[4:07:51] Voice 12: and other natural features. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you.

[4:07:58] Voice 8: Okay. Anything else there?

[4:08:01] Voice 8: I was looking at feedback.

[4:08:10] Voice 12: I'll come back to it.

[4:08:12] Voice 12: Can we move on

[4:08:13] Voice 12: to definitions?

[4:08:15] Voice 12: Yeah, I had just a question,

[4:08:17] Voice 12: Senator Chandork, about definitions and community use.

[4:08:21] Voice 12: definition to be added or or reference to be changed to community service yes so this was

[4:08:29] Voice 12: i think this is i think um we refer to community service with respect to um in the subdivision

[4:08:37] Voice 12: that uh uh the requirement or have it for um for there being a uh a land that is

[4:08:49] Voice 12: donate need for community service i think that we we use use and we use service both of them

[4:08:54] Voice 12: yeah i think we're going to use a new survey and then we'll we'll we'll make sure that the

[4:09:00] Voice 12: definition reflects that i think we've got community use right

[4:09:03] Voice 12: now yeah okay and i just

[4:09:06] Voice 12: wondered why yeah that's just again that's more of an editorial yeah okay um so diversity and

[4:09:17] Voice 12: community well being. I don't see anything unless I'm missing

[4:09:21] Voice 12: it about strengthening local food systems for community

[4:09:28] Voice 12: resilience. I'm missing food.

[4:09:30] Voice 12: Well, we've got stewardship. Stewardship, I think

[4:09:37] Voice 12: preserve our cultural land and local food systems. 2.2 point

[4:09:44] Voice 12: 3.2 but maybe we also need to we'll be able to check into you yeah okay that's good thanks

[4:09:56] Voice 12: okay so moving on to definitions or yes okay so um yeah there was a question related to the

[4:10:05] Voice 12: definition of horticulture and i'm going to go through i think that's because we have identified

[4:10:11] Voice 12: to be permitted in all residential areas essentially, and agriculture to be permitted in larger.

[4:10:19] Voice 12: And I think that's in the land use by-law allows in the smaller residential lots, horticulture

[4:10:29] Voice 12: and what is it?

[4:10:33] Voice 12: use of animals for personal

[4:10:39] Voice 12: use. So what we've got in the OCP doesn't personally lead to

[4:10:44] Voice 12: bad use, so we can still maintain that, but it's just being more clear that basically

[4:10:49] Voice 12: the smaller lots are more appropriate

[4:10:56] Voice 10: for plants, vegetables and such, as opposed to

[4:11:05] Voice 12: I don't think we can fix it is because I know the province gives you your farm tax status

[4:11:12] Voice 12: whether you grow hay or whether you grow carrots and it's too bad that we can't discern for

[4:11:20] Voice 12: the value of the community that someone isn't just growing hay to get farm tax status and

[4:11:25] Voice 12: and not actually using that land to produce food.

[4:11:28] Voice 12: Yes.

[4:11:29] Voice 12: It's really important to get the land for food.

[4:11:31] Voice 11: The way it is.

[4:11:33] Voice 11: Yes, but the Islands Trust has this ability

[4:11:35] Voice 11: to tell the province what we need.

[4:11:38] Voice 3: Yeah.

[4:11:40] Voice 11: Thank

[4:11:40] Voice 12: you, Chair Patrick.

[4:11:42] Voice 12: Well, advocacy.

[4:11:44] Voice 12: Well, when it comes to advocacy for agricultural policies.

[4:11:47] Voice 12: It doesn't fit on our little islands, yeah.

[4:11:49] Voice 11: Yeah.

[4:11:50] Voice 12: Should be.

[4:11:51] Voice 12: Well, it might,

[4:11:52] Voice 12: but there shouldn't be extra breaks for them.

[4:11:54] Voice 12: Yeah, you can go ahead, you know, but you're not going to get the tax break.

[4:11:59] Voice 12: So moving along, there was some suggestions around the definition of dwelling units.

[4:12:03] Voice 12: I'm still thinking about that in terms of how we're using secondary dwelling.

[4:12:10] Voice 12: It needs to be consistent across the trust area.

[4:12:12] Voice 12: And so we are considering that, like, I am going to spend some time thinking about what's been suggested around definitions of dwelling units.

[4:12:22] Voice 12: so yeah just to say that we've still got some to come back to that it actually requires just

[4:12:29] Voice 12: a larger discussion with the region yeah on that one um although maine keeps amending its land use

[4:12:36] Voice 12: by a lot including cottages so well this is maine just throw the consistency of the window yeah that

[4:12:48] Voice 12: I know why. It's fine. Just saying. There's only so far we can go with it.

[4:12:53] Voice 12: Yes. Definition. There was a question around the definition of freshwater management plan.

[4:12:59] Voice 12: I think that'll become clear in the DAI bylaw. There's policies around rezoning.

[4:13:06] Voice 12: That's interesting. That's right. Because I noticed that right away.

[4:13:09] Voice 12: with. But that will be quite specific. So that's great.

[4:13:14] Voice 12: Yeah, the idea I got to the DAI by 30 on the things that are

[4:13:20] Voice 12: required when wanting to make changes to

[4:13:27] Voice 12: correct Steven, who's doing the process.

[4:13:33] Voice 12: So indigenous context, that's we're working with some old

[4:13:36] Voice 12: staff uh to update that um updates to groundwater resources um oh yeah this is just again an

[4:13:45] Voice 12: editorial suggestion but you know what i really like this um rainwater harvesting over water

[4:13:52] Voice 12: delivery is encouraged yes always yeah it's really important yeah i

[4:13:59] Voice 12: recognize that language

[4:14:00] Voice 12: yeah yeah absolutely and and you know we need to listen to those citizens because they're really

[4:14:08] Voice 12: invested in this community yeah yeah totally yeah so there was like i said there were some really

[4:14:12] Voice 12: great suggestions that were made uh uh again you know below that another suggestion that was made

[4:14:18] Voice 12: like you know just you know adding a word changing the the uh to make it sound more

[4:14:23] Voice 3: But

[4:14:24] Voice 12: it lands in the community and speaks to the rest of us.

[4:14:29] Voice 12: So big blue ticks beside those.

[4:14:34] Voice 12: And then yeah, little things we're thinking all actual, you know, simple things we could

[4:14:39] Voice 12: have had.

[4:14:40] Voice 12: But you did note there that it's not meant to be inclusive of all, otherwise you could

[4:14:46] Voice 12: have all the spaces.

[4:14:47] Voice 12: You can have a list this long.

[4:14:49] Voice 12: So I mean, yeah, you can decide what you want to have.

[4:14:52] Voice 12: I was like, okay, sure, we can talk a little bit.

[4:14:55] Voice 12: Oh, yeah, questions regarding numbering.

[4:14:58] Voice 12: Yeah, we're dealing with the numbering.

[4:15:03] Voice 12: Before you skip ahead, are you talking housing and services needs?

[4:15:08] Voice 12: Yeah, so there's questions around the, sorry, yeah,

[4:15:11] Voice 12: that's the questions around the actual numbers.

[4:15:15] Voice 12: Population numbers, yeah.

[4:15:17] Voice 12: Yeah. And there are, we did, the reason we did another calculation around population numbers is because the, the housing needs assessments that we received didn't really, it wasn't, we felt like we needed to provide, do our own analysis on population numbers.

[4:15:39] Voice 8: Can we just say it was useless?

[4:15:40] Voice 12: Yes.

[4:15:45] Voice 12: There is a provincial requirement, I know, to basically quote what that needs assessment says.

[4:15:52] Voice 12: That's why it's different numbers. And so that's why we did our own calculations.

[4:15:58] Voice 12: I think you need to explain that because it does make it totally incoherent and because people get hung up on numbers and go,

[4:16:06] Voice 12: So why does the Provincial Needs Assessment for Housing say this?

[4:16:11] Voice 12: And then you come out with a different one for that.

[4:16:13] Voice 12: I was trying to gently kind of say that.

[4:16:15] Voice 12: No, we have people who look at the numbers and they will.

[4:16:20] Voice 12: And so I'm well familiar with the limits of the Housing Needs Assessment.

[4:16:25] Voice 12: And it just, like for rural areas, it just did not translate.

[4:16:29] Voice 12: No, it didn't.

[4:16:30] Voice 12: So that's why we did our, yeah.

[4:16:32] Voice 12: So you could say, make a note, it's required that we include this,

[4:16:36] Voice 12: but it is not at all it's not reflecting the of the reality yeah well what does match the reality

[4:16:43] Voice 12: is the gabriella um health and well-being report that came up to you two and a half years ago yeah

[4:16:49] Voice 12: that matches the reality yeah and

[4:16:51] Voice 6: that's a little bit almost

[4:16:52] Voice 12: like that and see well

[4:16:54] Voice 6: you're not you're

[4:16:55] Voice 6: obviously we're not we're required to have a housing needs assessment but we are exempt

[4:17:00] Voice 6: from having to update our ocp

[4:17:01] Voice 12: for it we are so you know so we are required to acknowledge the

[4:17:08] Voice 12: So acknowledge it and then say, and

[4:17:12] Voice 12: it was useless. Okay. Yeah.

[4:17:13] Voice 12: We're not required to do what it says tells us to do. Right.

[4:17:19] Voice 12: So I have a little bit of feedback before we move on.

[4:17:23] Voice 12: Yeah. Community context. Okay.

[4:17:27] Voice 12: I'm wondering if there should be a section on growth management.

[4:17:32] Voice 12: because it it speaks to how to translate the numbers into what are we managing

[4:17:42] Voice 8: and

[4:17:44] Voice 12: when i looked at the ministry of municipal affairs feedback on the policy statement

[4:17:49] Voice 12: um and this is where i would like to ask staff if we can ask you to look at that referral response

[4:17:57] Voice 12: response. It's got some really interesting language. So this is from the local government

[4:18:02] Voice 12: division. It was on this draft policy 3.42 on growth management. And the quote is, and I think

[4:18:10] Voice 12: this is really good, like this is good context for what the province is looking for. Growth

[4:18:14] Voice 12: management speaks to managing growth. The Gulf Islands face unique housing challenges, including

[4:18:19] Voice 12: a lack of workforce and affordable housing. At the same time, the trust must consider a range of

[4:18:24] Voice 12: factors such as drinking water availability and waste disposal its ecological mandate requires

[4:18:29] Voice 12: thoughtful consideration of diverse perspectives to manage expectations for growth and development

[4:18:33] Voice 12: and local economies while protecting ecosystems and pressures they cannot sustain this balance

[4:18:38] Voice 12: should be considered carefully as part of the growth management process and that kind of sets

[4:18:44] Voice 12: the stage for like growth management is not a bad word here's all the things you need to consider

[4:18:52] Voice 12: it's not like developing or managing for growth anywhere else there are limits there are real

[4:18:58] Voice 12: ecological limits and you've got these factors drinking water and waste disposal so that is like

[4:19:05] Voice 12: kind of it's not like it's here in natural environment by diversity but

[4:19:13] Voice 12: sort of bringing it together it's kind

[4:19:16] Voice 12: of on both sides yeah and that's and that's what the ministry

[4:19:20] Voice 12: industry is specifically looking for for plants coming from the other ones. So maybe it's

[4:19:27] Voice 12: worth looking at.

[4:19:28] Voice 12: Yeah.

[4:19:29] Voice 12: I think

[4:19:30] Voice 12: that makes sense. Okay. And

[4:19:33] Voice 12: the other growth limits that we have that people forget

[4:19:36] Voice 12: about are the roads, the transportation roads, the ferries. The ferries are a growth limiting

[4:19:41] Voice 12: factor. And the electrical grid. People don't think about that. But those are some of the

[4:19:48] Voice 12: things that every human that you add to an area has an impact on the roads on the ferries on

[4:19:57] Voice 12: waste disposal on water use on the electrical grid

[4:20:00] Voice 8: yeah but

[4:20:02] Voice 12: there's more there that could relate so

[4:20:05] Voice 12: I don't want to add more to your plate but how like when the ministry comes back with there's a

[4:20:11] Voice 12: specific notation on suitable locations for additional housing Steve Earl also had a question

[4:20:17] Voice 12: about what a suitable location was mean

[4:20:20] Voice 8: so

[4:20:21] Voice 12: the minister or the staff there actually came back

[4:20:25] Voice 12: with it may be helpful to define what attainable housing means context including specific details

[4:20:31] Voice 12: of where these locations may be i think

[4:20:34] Voice 12: we've done that to be honest um i think that's what

[4:20:36] Voice 12: this ocd is identifying the suitable areas and the criteria that's required to make decisions

[4:20:47] Voice 8: Okay. Okay, moving along. That's cool.

[4:20:58] Voice 11: Oh

[4:21:03] Voice 12: yeah, jumping back to objectives, there are just a couple of more.

[4:21:12] Voice 12: So we'll move to the policy amendment alternatives or options.

[4:21:19] Voice 12: So subdivision policy, we are, we're tweaking that, we've got a legal review, the nature of it is not changing.

[4:21:26] Voice 12: changing. So essentially, the maximum minimum lot sizes increased to effectively require

[4:21:40] Voice 12: any anybody wanting to subdivide for private interests to go to go through a rezoning,

[4:21:48] Voice 12: which gives the LTC of the day the opportunity to evaluate it based on a very, very long

[4:21:54] Voice 12: list of criteria like any development right that that's the i think one of the key things

[4:21:59] Voice 12: um really important for everybody to keep in mind is that 2.5 is is a list of many many things that

[4:22:07] Voice 12: need to be considered if anybody wants to change anything it is very comprehensive it's very

[4:22:12] Voice 12: comprehensive so um that would apply to um subdivision as well as to um uh rezonings

[4:22:29] Voice 12: There was some, I guess, some questions around community amenity policies. It's an interesting

[4:22:35] Voice 12: one. In the ISA context, it's very different than in an urban context, where you have municipalities

[4:22:50] Voice 12: municipalities using many policies to get money from developers, essentially, or part

[4:22:57] Voice 12: of land or what have you, in return for providing them with more density, or, you know, affordable

[4:23:04] Voice 12: housing, we don't, that's not, we're not working with large developers here, we're working

[4:23:09] Voice 12: with nonprofits, actually, because really, the only, like large scale rezonings that

[4:23:16] Voice 12: are going to be permitted are ones that are are are for affordable housing so essentially those

[4:23:22] Voice 12: would be um done by non-profits etc um there is an opportunity maybe the other place where there's

[4:23:30] Voice 12: an amenity kind of consideration is in the subdivision policy and um and in that case

[4:23:37] Voice 12: you know i've identified an opportunity you might want to be a bit more clear on what those

[4:23:45] Voice 12: amenities could be so the way that the sub-division policy is set up right now is that

[4:23:49] Voice 12: if you do want to rezone to subdivide that um that there don't there would be a requirement

[4:23:56] Voice 12: for some kind of a community service benefit isn't it we talked about the community so

[4:24:02] Voice 12: we're not talking

[4:24:03] Voice 12: sidewalks and like it's here so you know the option that you've provided here

[4:24:09] Voice 12: is really good it's really comprehensive and i think there's no harm in including that

[4:24:16] Voice 12: because it really makes it clear that this is not a municipality or a city it's an area where

[4:24:24] Voice 12: the only way we're going to increase density in one area is if we can get this in exchange

[4:24:32] Voice 12: and i think i i don't know i don't think there's anything we've missed here it might be but um

[4:24:38] Voice 12: It's really good, and I think there's nothing wrong with spelling that out.

[4:24:42] Voice 12: I have a question about the fourth bullet.

[4:24:46] Voice 12: Why is it transfer of land rather than provision?

[4:24:50] Voice 12: It could be provision.

[4:24:51] Voice 12: Because it

[4:24:52] Voice 8: may or may not be a transfer.

[4:24:53] Voice 8: It might just be.

[4:24:54] Voice 8: I

[4:24:54] Voice 12: thought it did.

[4:24:56] Voice 8: Yeah,

[4:24:56] Voice 12: that's a better word.

[4:24:57] Voice 6: Yeah.

[4:24:58] Voice 12: Yeah.

[4:24:58] Voice 6: And you got serve and protect used separately all through this section.

[4:25:05] Voice 6: Yeah, that's why we're going to make sure that it's consistent.

[4:25:08] Voice 6: Okay. So

[4:25:10] Voice 12: back to the question of, yes, this would be for subdivision policy, but we're not adding it to a list of potential contributions for rezoning applications because that already adds to the burden of a rezoning when it's providing affordable housing.

[4:25:32] Voice 12: yeah you still have the opportunity to have that discussion and and in terms of so the policies

[4:25:37] Voice 12: related to amending the the OCP and land use bylaw 2.5 that already steps through like it like it

[4:25:45] Voice 12: identifies those considerations as well yeah so you're not losing anything right yeah yeah like

[4:25:52] Voice 12: you're not necessarily gaining anything if you put a little like we essentially have those things

[4:25:57] Voice 12: yeah that opportunity exists yeah it's nice to have a list and yeah it can be drawn from it

[4:26:03] Voice 12: it's appropriate yeah and under freshwater sustainability i really like that option

[4:26:11] Voice 12: and i both trusty elliot and i have had pretty extensive conversations with people who don't

[4:26:16] Voice 12: want any cisterns at all but they've got lots of groundwater

[4:26:19] Voice 3: or

[4:26:20] Voice 12: people who do want cisterns but

[4:26:23] Voice 12: they don't want to have to catch rain fine do whatever you need to do as long as you've got

[4:26:27] Voice 12: the cistern um and then people who say no if you you must have cisterns in it and you must allow

[4:26:33] Voice 12: for a rainwater catchment for any added density or any secondary dwellings and that kind of thing

[4:26:40] Voice 12: and um as far as i'm concerned the more we encourage people to be water self-sufficient

[4:26:45] Voice 12: the better off we will be so i i think this is going to be an area of significant pushback

[4:26:52] Voice 12: for the community i don't think residential should be treated the same as commercial and

[4:26:56] Voice 12: institutional yeah and if if we need to create two separate policies that are a requirement

[4:27:02] Voice 12: for commercial and institutional development to incorporate systems great um i think there should

[4:27:09] Voice 12: be a policy to encourage or it's like it should be required in the freshwater hazard area for

[4:27:17] Voice 12: all new dwellings i think or all new accessory dwellings but all new residential construction

[4:27:24] Voice 12: to require systems if they're in a resident if they're in a groundwater rich area this is just

[4:27:30] Voice 12: going to be people are going to get activated it's not and it's just not required there's some places

[4:27:37] Voice 12: that just will never need it and you're adding up five or six thousand or ten thousand dollar cost

[4:27:44] Voice 12: to the residential construction right i kind of disagree with that we don't know that they will

[4:27:50] Voice 12: never need it we don't know that in 20 years 30 years down the line they may very well fire

[4:27:56] Voice 12: protection alone exactly so they're in an area they're usually in a forested area because larger

[4:28:02] Voice 12: parcels are in forested areas and if they have even just even just the cistern not necessarily

[4:28:11] Voice 12: hooked up to rainwater whatever they have the ability at some point to provide water supply

[4:28:17] Voice 12: if something goes wrong with their well or if they need emergency water supply and I I really

[4:28:25] Voice 12: think we should be more proactive even to people who think they may never need a cistern

[4:28:33] Voice 12: I get your point everybody wants to see a catchment system for the island all that I've

[4:28:41] Voice 12: been hearing because the topic is water water water water I've heard different terms like a

[4:28:46] Voice 12: a water battery, catchment system,

[4:28:49] Voice 12: sweat-engineered drainage swales,

[4:28:51] Voice 12: hydrogeological restoration zones.

[4:28:54] Voice 12: There's, people want to see that water,

[4:28:57] Voice 12: where water's abundant, that there's a way to capture it.

[4:29:00] Voice 12: I don't agree that cisterns are the way to do it.

[4:29:03] Voice 12: That is plastic and it's a poor response.

[4:29:10] Voice 12: I mean, we should do an ecological response

[4:29:13] Voice 12: to capturing water.

[4:29:14] Voice 12: And so my question is, and maybe from a planning perspective, can we identify areas where it

[4:29:29] Voice 12: could increase water, like through ponds and swales or somebody called it a water battery

[4:29:37] Voice 12: that water could be stored and then drawn from?

[4:29:41] Voice 12: What we could explore, I think, is some language that would say system or like alternative approach to holding water or using water even. I mean, this is, you know, if they're integrating a gray water reuse system, for example.

[4:30:00] Voice 12: Maybe that's what staff could do is sort of explore some language that would provide some flexibility around that.

[4:30:06] Voice 12: So it's a cistern or an alternative, and however they would define that alternative,

[4:30:10] Voice 12: I think we'd have to figure out how, yeah, like how we would regulate that piece.

[4:30:19] Voice 12: But we can certainly do that.

[4:30:22] Voice 6: Because it

[4:30:22] Voice 12: just, to me, requiring plastic cisterns for residential construction,

[4:30:28] Voice 12: I've heard strongly from at least four or five people they will not like that but they

[4:30:35] Voice 12: all live in a groundwater rich area so this isn't shared by everybody lots of people do

[4:30:41] Voice 12: say yes require assistance for all residential construction there's real mixed views I think

[4:30:47] Voice 12: water catchment systems could be like a flexible way to describe a way to retain water like

[4:30:57] Voice 12: Like, what is that term that says you're not necessarily relying on groundwater, but there's a...

[4:31:08] Voice 12: Yeah, water is self-sufficient.

[4:31:09] Voice 12: And I've heard this, like, the food security forum, Brian Bradley was like, we should be incentivizing people digging ponds everywhere right now for food security.

[4:31:19] Voice 12: The big issue is farming.

[4:31:21] Voice 12: How do we support agriculture, which uses a lot of water?

[4:31:26] Voice 12: And that's...

[4:31:29] Voice 12: that it's not going to be plastic cisterns it's just not well so the cistern i had previously

[4:31:34] Voice 12: uh two houses ago was a under the deck it was cement and um it was part of the foundation

[4:31:41] Voice 12: cement's not great either but there it was and it was 30 000 gallons i never know but we're just

[4:31:47] Voice 12: moving further and further into engineered well

[4:31:52] Voice 11: the chairs like staff

[4:31:53] Voice 12: are willing to do

[4:31:55] Voice 12: I can explore that would suggest that an alternative could be used, but that there is some kind

[4:32:03] Voice 12: of water catchment system.

[4:32:05] Voice 12: Can you separate the residential out from commercial and institutional?

[4:32:11] Voice 12: We can look at that as well.

[4:32:13] Voice 12: And secondary dwellings is another separate issue altogether.

[4:32:16] Voice 8: I think it's second, yeah.

[4:32:17] Voice 12: Because if you're building a secondary dwelling, especially if you're building it for rentals

[4:32:23] Voice 12: whatever then you need to start thinking about adding water supply yeah so i'll tell you on

[4:32:28] Voice 12: may 9th they had had second they had systems for their secondary for their secondary suites as a

[4:32:34] Voice 12: as a requirement for a long time and then they've gone to systems for all the folks

[4:32:40] Voice 12: yeah so that could be also an alternative is that you just have them for that so we'll come

[4:32:47] Voice 12: back with some options that can

[4:32:48] Voice 12: provide some flexibility that would be really helpful i mean

[4:32:51] Voice 12: one of the good things in these amenities that you've listed up above here is including storage

[4:32:57] Voice 12: reservoirs yes i mean if we had a property we've all been dreaming of the property we all are

[4:33:03] Voice 12: thinking of all the time for storage of water um which is hoggin lake which is already there

[4:33:10] Voice 12: and some way for the community to purchase that land and and have a community water supply

[4:33:16] Voice 8: where

[4:33:17] Voice 12: where we could still have water trucks from one place to another.

[4:33:22] Voice 8: Can we

[4:33:22] Voice 12: have community wells that you've written there?

[4:33:25] Voice 12: Community wells for domestic water supply?

[4:33:27] Voice 12: You can add that.

[4:33:28] Voice 12: No, it's in your subdivision provisions.

[4:33:33] Voice 12: Because I thought a community service...

[4:33:36] Voice 12: I've been wanting to see if we can explore a zoning for community water supply.

[4:33:42] Voice 12: That is community service.

[4:33:46] Voice 12: Can we, do you mean to add that as a zone, or you might, you might right like when you get there to that place. Yeah. Right. Right. But you wouldn't want to have that zone in the OCP, OCP.

[4:33:59] Voice 12: You can't designate the country, like you wouldn't, like, so we're looking at does it like the land use designations. Right. The zoning would specify what can happen in a particular lot.

[4:34:12] Voice 12: no but if you describe the zone and what could happen but it's not applied to a map because it

[4:34:16] Voice 12: doesn't yet exist but it comes through they

[4:34:19] Voice 6: could have a policy that the ocp supports the creation

[4:34:22] Voice 6: of yeah you could have something like

[4:34:24] Voice 12: that that's what everybody's

[4:34:26] Voice 12: asking for we need a water

[4:34:27] Voice 12: battery catchment system community wells community water system something that needs to be in there

[4:34:37] Voice 9: You probably want this, you may want this policy anyways, but just as information public utilities, which just may fall within there, typically, and that is the case when Gabriel permitted in any zone and so that's

[4:34:51] Voice 9: Well,

[4:34:52] Voice 12: not a freshwater answered so

[4:34:54] That

[4:34:56] Voice 12: would be good to just go to a public utility.

[4:35:00] Voice 12: Yeah, because I've heard different opinions of community, water, zoning, community supply

[4:35:05] Voice 12: to water is not possible.

[4:35:07] Voice 12: It would be possible, it would be possible to have

[4:35:10] Voice 12: a willing community and a place to

[4:35:12] Voice 12: do it.

[4:35:13] Voice 12: Yeah.

[4:35:14] Voice 12: So there's a typo on 24294, last sentence, there has been some interest but I'm not sure.

[4:35:42] Voice 12: I mean we'll have to come back to the bulk water sales because whether that community

[4:35:49] Voice 12: water zone could or service zone could be used to extract water for groundwater for

[4:35:56] Voice 12: sale or not yeah well I mean yeah yeah let's see we'll think about it we'll come back to

[4:36:07] Voice 12: policy. All right, let's keep chugging then. Okay, so this

[4:36:11] Voice 12: other one is a big, this is a bit of a discussion. So the

[4:36:14] Voice 12: policy currently requires that potable rainwater catchment

[4:36:18] Voice 12: systems consist consistent with installation and maintenance

[4:36:21] Voice 12: requirements of how it's called for for all secondary and

[4:36:25] Voice 12: excessive accessory dwelling units. Secondary suites, it

[4:36:30] Voice 12: should be secondary suites and accessories in the freshwater

[4:36:34] Voice 12: housing area. So that means if you're having, you can have an

[4:36:37] Voice 12: additional you would be required to have your brain water catchment system actually potable.

[4:36:45] Voice 12: And so there's a conversation here around whether that should right now it's speaking only to

[4:36:56] Voice 12: residential but so that it was raised that it should maybe oh sorry yeah it should be

[4:37:04] Voice 12: expanded to commercial and institutional this is a fresh water hazard area.

[4:37:09] Voice 12: Which makes sense. There's also a discussion around whether it should just be expanded beyond the freshwater hazard area for all additional secondary units.

[4:37:23] Voice 12: Yeah, lots of conversation around that, especially additional units.

[4:37:30] Voice 12: Well, if there would have been an additional unit in, they should make sure they have some way of catching or holding water.

[4:37:38] Voice 12: So that's really a question for the Open Sea is, I mean, what if we put it, put it in there

[4:37:45] Voice 12: for first reading?

[4:37:46] Voice 12: To expand it to all, beyond the freshwater pathway zone, or?

[4:37:52] Voice 12: The entire, the entire island is.

[4:37:56] Voice 12: So the one, so the one, well that's true, so the one, I guess, challenge with that might

[4:38:03] Voice 12: be that they are, it's a considerable investment.

[4:38:06] Voice 12: investment. And so it does kind of, it would make it more expensive for legalized, say,

[4:38:19] Voice 12: so these small units that may be more expensive.

[4:38:24] Voice 12: Well, I don't know, what about leaving out residential but including commercial and institutional?

[4:38:30] Voice 12: So to expand to new residential, commercial and institutional developments requiring probable

[4:38:36] Voice 12: water in the in the in the fresh water hazard area yeah for sure they have to have it in the

[4:38:44] Voice 12: fresh water hazard area like we're all new so that would be the expanded like not just

[4:38:48] Voice 12: for residential but for all yeah so so what about outside so this is

[4:38:54] Voice 12: new construction not

[4:38:55] Voice 12: necessarily additional dwelling it is accessory right now it's just so the way it's written right

[4:39:02] Voice 12: now yeah it's only requiring this this is the requirement for secondary units whether there

[4:39:09] Voice 12: are suites or separate units in the freshwater hazard area right so residential secondary

[4:39:18] Voice 12: second uh residential unit you're going to have if you're going to put in a secondary suite

[4:39:24] Voice 12: that's what the requirement is in the freshwater hazard area so the question is whether you want

[4:39:32] Voice 12: to expand it to all new all new developments so including primary right all new in all new

[4:39:42] Voice 12: developments of in the freshwater hazard area um including including primary dwellings including

[4:39:54] Voice 12: commercial including institutional that would be using audible water that's one option and the

[4:40:00] Voice 12: the other one is whether you just want to require everyone all new not just the fresh water so i

[4:40:07] Voice 12: think that's where the pushback is you could require all new to have some means of water

[4:40:13] Voice 12: catchment yeah sister swales ponds not necessarily not necessarily right now yeah and i think that

[4:40:22] Voice 12: seems to be a more amenable way to go with with yeah but in the freshwater hazard area

[4:40:29] Voice 12: area. I'm thinking it probably does need to be covered up for all new. That's it. So let

[4:40:37] Voice 12: them be deciding between all new development. Maybe not. Maybe as long as they have some

[4:40:42] Voice 12: means of water catchment, which they would, because if you have that policy around requiring

[4:40:47] Voice 12: that, you know, system or whatever, it might be alternative. I don't know. But do you think

[4:40:52] Voice 12: it could be potable or not potable? I mean, at some point, some of these new builds, no

[4:40:59] Voice 12: matter where they are, fresh water has it or not, they're going to need potable water.

[4:41:05] Voice 12: They can make it potable after they have a catchment system. The big deal is ensuring

[4:41:11] Voice 12: that there's some catchment system when they build in the first place. And it's cheaper to

[4:41:16] Voice 12: do it when you build than it is to add it later. I know. I've done both. I mean, you're already

[4:41:23] Voice 12: you're already requiring that yeah just whether whether you require that it's positive yeah

[4:41:28] Voice 12: yeah now you're requiring that second unit yeah there are people who argue that you know you

[4:41:35] Voice 12: should give a little more credence to people's common sense that you're buying a property

[4:41:40] Voice 12: and if they know it's in an area that's not abundant in fresh water they're going to provide

[4:41:46] Voice 12: provide their own water system, that requiring it is too much regulation.

[4:41:55] Voice 12: That's the argument that I've heard.

[4:41:59] Voice 12: I think I support right now sticking with this path, secondary and accessory dwelling

[4:42:06] Voice 12: units, because that's extra, and the potential is that those accessory dwelling units turn

[4:42:14] Voice 12: turn it to T and P's or turn it to other uses,

[4:42:18] Voice 12: whereas it could as well.

[4:42:20] Voice 12: I don't know, it's a tough one.

[4:42:27] Voice 12: Do you have experience doing exactly this

[4:42:30] Voice 12: in another community and lots of pushback?

[4:42:33] Voice 12: All that we've done in the other communities

[4:42:35] Voice 12: is just require a cistern.

[4:42:37] Voice 12: So that's the extent of it.

[4:42:38] Voice 12: Salt springs.

[4:42:39] Voice 12: Salt springs, a lot of just require one.

[4:42:42] Voice 12: Yeah, I'm just saying the work that I've done.

[4:42:43] Voice 12: Yeah.

[4:42:44] Voice 12: yeah so um but yeah like salt screen does require the potable for them so so that's where this is

[4:42:52] Voice 12: so this would be going beyond what what uh the admin has done yeah we

[4:42:59] Voice 11: have done variances

[4:43:01] Voice 11: yes where they've had sufficient water and don't need it yeah yeah so there that is

[4:43:06] Voice 11: the challenges

[4:43:09] Voice 12: with requiring potable rainwater catchment rainwater you know it okay let's say

[4:43:20] Voice 12: you've got a lot that i'm just trying to think it through here you've got a well it would have

[4:43:25] Voice 12: to be a five acre lot unless we're allowing accessory drilling units on lots that are

[4:43:30] Voice 12: smaller but not in the hazard area so it's got to be a five acre lot we're talking about

[4:43:34] Voice 12: boat right and it's in the hazard area and now they're going to be required for that new house

[4:43:40] Voice 12: to build to have a potable rain catchment system i think that makes sense i mean they're probably

[4:43:47] Voice 12: going to need it anyways definitely for construction of commercial and institutional

[4:43:52] Voice 12: 100 but is that does the province allow that to have multiple hookups to the rainwater

[4:44:04] Voice 12: harvesting system i thought it was only one one household hookup through system

[4:44:10] Voice 12: well this is you're just requiring the system for that okay so we're not not requiring it for

[4:44:18] Voice 12: the primary as well there yeah no but for commercial like if there's a commercial

[4:44:25] Voice 12: marina right in the freshwater hazard zone and there's 15 units

[4:44:33] Voice 12: it's I don't think they can get a potable rainwater harvesting system oh yes that's I think

[4:44:42] Voice 12: that we can go over what town area it looks like it is so we can look into that so yeah potable

[4:44:49] Voice 12: rainwater harvesting or yeah I don't think

[4:44:52] Voice 12: you can require it for multi hookups that's still

[4:44:56] Voice 12: single is my understanding unless they've changed that yeah it's okay to look I need to look into

[4:45:04] Voice 12: that because there's something around multi-unit housing where it's very difficult uh that's there's

[4:45:11] Voice 12: some difficulty around that but i

[4:45:13] Voice 9: believe these pieces please yeah that's that's that but maybe

[4:45:17] Voice 12: not for potable but there's been

[4:45:19] Voice 9: some progress we should

[4:45:20] Voice 11: research there has been i know there's

[4:45:23] Voice 11: been a lot of dr

[4:45:24] Voice 12: gordon the crd water commissioner yeah like he's he's been advocating for multi

[4:45:29] Voice 12: multi-suite hookups for rainwater harvesting because he wrote the technical manual for the

[4:45:35] Voice 12: harvesting and so he's he's been advocating for that for a long time and my thought was it just

[4:45:41] Voice 12: hasn't they still don't allow two suites to be hooked up to the same system but that may have

[4:45:47] Voice 12: changed so that's where it's different for potable versus just a rainwater catchment system

[4:45:57] Voice 11: we can come back to this one first yeah

[4:46:00] Voice 12: i think give it more thought like with respect to the

[4:46:02] Voice 12: multi-unit what we thought was new was an opportunity through the rezoning to think

[4:46:07] Voice 12: about what the water requirement yes situation would be yeah i'm not sorry in the these policies

[4:46:16] Voice 12: to you know to assess water i think we have a lot of national science department

[4:46:22] Voice 12: environment.

[4:46:24] Voice 8: I don't think

[4:46:24] Voice 12: we can give you an answer on that.

[4:46:26] Voice 12: Yeah. Okay, we'll leave it at this for now. Okay, so moving

[4:46:33] Voice 12: on. Moving on in the plate industrial so that yes, there's

[4:46:38] Voice 12: questioning around what is industrial. There's language in

[4:46:50] Voice 12: 2.4.2.1 that relates to heavy truck traffic and significant

[4:46:55] Voice 12: significant amount of water and it's not defined. So this is where you could just leave it up

[4:47:00] Voice 12: to the enforcement to go through the process for that to be defined, which kind of leaves

[4:47:09] Voice 12: it open to remove that. There's nothing that's going to prohibiting you from having that

[4:47:14] Voice 12: policy in there.

[4:47:17] Voice 12: But whether it can be enforced is something to do with it.

[4:47:20] Voice 12: The enforcement can be that kind of challenge.

[4:47:22] Voice 12: But exclusion of heavy industry, not clear. Yeah, so you're still kind of looking into

[4:47:28] Voice 12: to that and like there's so many people's different interpretation of what's light

[4:47:32] Voice 12: industry and what's heavy industry this is actually this look this is a that's a holdover

[4:47:37] Voice 12: i think that was a former policy that that was just it's a heavy industry like there's a there's

[4:47:43] Voice 12: planning categories for what what qualifies as light industrial heavy industrial there's got to

[4:47:49] Voice 12: be specific activities that would qualify as heavy but even light industrial in in a city or

[4:47:56] Voice 12: municipality that has outlying areas where you can make industrial parks which sometimes just

[4:48:02] Voice 12: for light industry that's that's different on an island where you don't have that space

[4:48:08] Voice 12: to do something like a light industry i think all for sale we

[4:48:12] Voice 12: found to like you don't it

[4:48:14] Voice 12: what's allowed so i'm just going to

[4:48:17] Voice 12: say like near light industrial zone kind of right next to one

[4:48:22] Voice 12: It's one building and it's Bowling Books storage.

[4:48:28] Voice 12: It's considered industrial.

[4:48:29] Voice 12: It was a healthcare facility at one point.

[4:48:33] Voice 12: But it's defined within the zone, so if something was to be created, it would be defined within

[4:48:44] Voice 12: the zoning with the use permitted.

[4:48:46] Voice 12: Because that sounds like commercial.

[4:48:48] Voice 12: That just sounds like commercial, right?

[4:48:49] Voice 12: Light industry, you think of as a machine shop, maybe, or a car repair, or, you know,

[4:48:55] Voice 3: some car

[4:48:55] Voice 12: repair would be a light industry.

[4:48:58] Voice 12: Because in Courtney, there's a Tin Town area, right?

[4:49:03] Voice 12: And I sometimes have meetings there, and there's all sorts of, like, industrial, as well as

[4:49:07] Voice 12: commercial, kind of mix, but there's no heavy industrial.

[4:49:12] Voice 12: Yeah, so I think with respect to this policy, you could leave it in, and just, it's a guideline

[4:49:18] Voice 12: for zoning. I don't love the ambiguity, but since we're on the topic of industrial, does the OCP mean to allow for mixed-use zoning?

[4:49:37] Voice 12: I have a policy saying that landowners can apply for a mixed-use, or is it just one zone?

[4:49:44] Voice 12: Well, right now, if we say that you can have residential, like if you say that you can

[4:49:49] Voice 12: have residential in industrial, again, it comes back to the zone, right?

[4:49:54] Voice 12: Like if you can have a light industrial zone and allow residential or allow commercial

[4:49:59] Voice 12: use, I mean, essentially that's a good excuse.

[4:50:03] Voice 12: Yeah, but

[4:50:04] Voice 8: that's allowed the

[4:50:05] Voice 12: current drop.

[4:50:07] Voice 12: It wouldn't prohibit that.

[4:50:08] Voice 12: No, it's not saying that you can't have those other uses.

[4:50:12] Voice 3: is that

[4:50:12] Voice 12: would be because again that's regulatory and that's what we've tried to do is to actually

[4:50:17] Voice 12: make this nocp that reads like nocp invaluable okay yeah all right um so on industrial uh there

[4:50:29] Voice 12: was some discussion around excluding heavy like a program vision on heavy industry um yeah i just

[4:50:39] Voice 12: want i mean i'm just capturing that so it was something that came up and i just wanted to see

[4:50:43] Voice 12: what your thoughts were there yeah for sure if you want to run a heavy industry you've got the

[4:50:48] Voice 12: long ways really yeah okay so we could we could have a policy in general maybe that relates to

[4:50:58] Voice 12: that and you know under aggregate i really like the two options that you've given us here

[4:51:08] Voice 12: because mostly they're just advocacy they are kind of and that's so trying to um

[4:51:14] Voice 12: zero away from having a lot of like having this be advocacy-heavy, which is what a lot

[4:51:20] Voice 12: of unstressed OCPs tend to be, because we move them over, but there are some places

[4:51:27] Voice 12: where I think it feels like it is appropriate, because we have designations and related zones

[4:51:34] Voice 12: that are specific to that, and so in this case, if it is provincial, at least this way,

[4:51:37] Voice 12: it is advocacy in nature, but it's...

[4:51:40] Voice 12: I

[4:51:40] Voice 11: think the Local Government Act, this is one of the requirements that you have to identify where aggregate can be.

[4:51:46] Voice 8: I know, it's crazy.

[4:51:47] Voice 12: So

[4:51:47] Voice 8: that they can take over.

[4:51:48] Voice 12: Yeah.

[4:51:50] Voice 12: So just for anyone listening, the current policy is a legacy from our current OCP, which is that the product will be exclusively for local use.

[4:52:00] Voice 12: But the feedback is that we can't, we're not, we don't direct how a business uses its product.

[4:52:09] Voice 12: and so that's stepping outside of the jurisdiction so i like the two proposed

[4:52:14] Voice 12: well they didn't

[4:52:14] Voice 12: indicate what the interest of the

[4:52:16] Voice 1: island is yeah exactly

[4:52:17] Voice 12: not having it all go

[4:52:18] Voice 12: over on the ferry but we had no control of that yeah yeah sure and then the one you've got for

[4:52:25] Voice 12: hospice care and boarding homes um i like that like i like the options that you're giving us

[4:52:32] Voice 12: under the discussion there um yeah um a

[4:52:39] Voice 11: new one that i learned on salt school community care

[4:52:43] Voice 11: facilities or homes it's one or the other the provincial act

[4:52:47] Voice 11: actually says you cannot prohibit

[4:52:49] Voice 11: them from any residential zone it's a community care facility so it

[4:52:55] Voice 11: was new to me i didn't

[4:52:56] Voice 6: but they're licensed they have to be licensed there's certain conditions yeah

[4:53:01] Voice 12: well so this is

[4:53:02] Voice 12: because the well i mean this is really this policy is really just speaking like it's just

[4:53:07] Voice 12: acknowledging that those can happen so they could happen anyways yeah so that's

[4:53:12] Voice 6: pretty good but i'm

[4:53:13] Voice 12: just saying if

[4:53:13] Voice 6: you might want to look up the community care facility should be addressed

[4:53:17] Voice 6: and the other is transition homes um i i know uh so at salt spring we're looking at uh allowing

[4:53:23] Voice 6: them in all residential zones as long as they're under eight or ten people it's it's matching the

[4:53:29] Voice 6: problems but yeah

[4:53:31] Voice 12: okay we'll have a look at that yeah but you do say small similar small scale

[4:53:35] Voice 12: supportive residential uses i think would count yeah which i think captures that which is great

[4:53:40] Voice 12: and i i think we should include that i think that's a really good policy i think i haven't

[4:53:50] Voice 12: done any more thought i'm going to look at some

[4:53:51] Voice 12: of the other ltc ocps because the homie policy we

[4:53:57] Voice 12: I think I think it's because we didn't have I think the existing has a lot of adequacy around

[4:54:03] Voice 12: that uh and so we'll look at uh we'll look at some it's going

[4:54:07] Voice 12: to be a big it's going to have

[4:54:10] Voice 12: to be a big focus of our community is how to care for our elders because there may not there's not

[4:54:16] Voice 12: oh right yeah yeah there's no places for them to go and I'm all we've already moved back to marine

[4:54:33] Voice 12: We need

[4:54:34] Voice 6: the full range and there's, there is more legislative, you know, I mean, so

[4:54:42] Voice 12: in the marine density and use, I just want to make sure that anytime we're talking about

[4:54:48] Voice 12: about the foreshore or marine zone,

[4:54:50] Voice 12: I know it's already in the DPA for marine,

[4:54:53] Voice 12: that we don't forget the dark sky principles.

[4:54:56] Voice 12: And there's two ways to approach those.

[4:54:59] Voice 12: You're either adhering to them

[4:55:01] Voice 12: with something pretty specific, like a DPA, right?

[4:55:05] Voice 12: You're actually adhering to those dark sky principles,

[4:55:08] Voice 12: or you're considering them, or you're following them,

[4:55:13] Voice 12: or you're being mindful of them, whatever.

[4:55:17] Voice 12: whatever. Yeah, so I think in general regs, we're going to put like a section on dark skies in the general regulations, which would apply to all the desert regions.

[4:55:27] Voice 12: Which is really helpful, because then you can determine, oh it is appropriate here, it is, and you can ask for that if you're able to.

[4:55:37] Voice 12: yeah and it's just reminding people how important that is because the more development you have

[4:55:42] Voice 12: especially around the foreshore where the lights affect marine creatures they don't just affect

[4:55:48] Voice 12: humans and migrating birds and insects they affect marine creatures who need dark water

[4:55:54] Voice 12: for the breeding season and

[4:55:59] Voice 12: so additional thoughts about marine is that what yeah yeah that's hilarious

[4:56:08] Voice 12: it's just like you gotta provide the toilet do whatever else you want there's no lighting in

[4:56:15] Voice 12: those toilets right um but i mean water use obviously um and is there is there a way that

[4:56:28] Voice 12: this is a bit i'm actually it's coming from decorsi decorsi island has an amazing community

[4:56:36] Voice 12: of korea and apparently it was one of the first under the islands trust to uh be structured and

[4:56:43] Voice 12: just was over there and and talking to them and it has specific community benefit like community

[4:56:50] Voice 12: services as part of its zoning so the the part of it we i think we should look at de courcy marina

[4:57:01] Voice 12: because it's coming back to if if there's a change in marine use uh should it be for community

[4:57:09] Voice 12: benefit should it be that they provide uh services you know whether over there they do road grading

[4:57:15] Voice 12: they do um their own fire protection their own fire protection like the marina is kind of central

[4:57:22] Voice 12: but it holds a very unique kind of

[4:57:25] Voice 12: set of activities so i think community service marinas

[4:57:31] Voice 12: And, you know, like priority should be given to proposals for whatever community service.

[4:57:39] Voice 12: And then, of course, the water, like I was just looking at an email from water management

[4:57:47] Voice 12: plans, you know, the provision of water adequate for the, you know, use should be assured,

[4:57:58] Voice 12: you know, that's not going to deplete neighboring waters and stuff like that.

[4:58:05] Voice 12: So I think water and runoff, water community service and runoff at least would be the three

[4:58:12] Voice 12: sort of criteria that a new, that a change in use for a marina would be allowed, potentially.

[4:58:22] Voice 12: Cool.

[4:58:23] Voice 12: And we'll, yeah, we'll look at, of course, we'll see, we'll see what else there is.

[4:58:26] Voice 12: the episode Jason Yeomans did an awesome overview of marinas in the trust area

[4:58:35] Voice 12: gosh it's it was part of the housing it's part of the housing toolkit yeah or

[4:58:41] Voice 12: no it came out

[4:58:42] Voice 12: it was before that he he did one he did it he did a piece on community marinas and docks

[4:58:48] Voice 12: and there's a big overview of all the different ways that they're allowed

[4:58:58] Voice 12: cool all

[4:59:00] Voice 12: right okay flexible

[4:59:01] Voice 8: housing all right this

[4:59:02] Voice 8: is a big one

[4:59:03] Voice 12: yeah seems to be quite a contentious

[4:59:06] Voice 12: um uh issue there's a number of people who've raised some concerns related to the lack of

[4:59:13] Voice 12: limits that uh are identified there's no limits identified in the ocp around what this uh what

[4:59:20] Voice 12: the number of volumes or maximum size is and so it's valid um um so one thing that we can be doing

[4:59:27] Voice 12: is we can put those limits into the land use bylaw right away, as we update the land use

[4:59:36] Voice 12: bylaw. And what you've got in front of you there are what has been identified for Maine

[4:59:42] Voice 12: Island. So this is looking at the Maine Island recent changes, or I guess two years ago.

[4:59:49] Voice 12: And I think what's important to kind of point out in this is that Maynard has not received it yet.

[5:00:00] Voice 12: any building permits related to flex housing so people aren't rushing up to get to get them there

[5:00:06] Voice 12: are um two families that i'm aware of that are very thankful that the opportunity exists for

[5:00:12] Voice 12: them now because they have um they have children and and um and and parents um and they they they

[5:00:21] Voice 12: see that are living on the property with pregnant and small confined spaces or you know in the case

[5:00:26] Voice 12: of the kids living in a bus or what have you um and so it is an opportunity now for them to be able

[5:00:32] Voice 12: to share the land uh with their kids and for them not to have to live with them so just quickly um

[5:00:41] Voice 12: those um do they include extra water catchment provisions well that would be um at all

[5:00:48] Voice 12: i think we do have that that they would need to have the it would be a similar thing to whatever

[5:00:53] Voice 12: the secondary you know right now we've got new we've got right now we say systems for all new

[5:00:59] Voice 12: builds right these

[5:01:00] Voice 12: would these would be yeah okay built and then depending on size right you've got

[5:01:04] Voice 12: two system sizes and so whatever that what i don't know how can we change that it would be applicable

[5:01:09] Voice 12: to these units as well as as the secondary units

[5:01:14] Voice 9: and they would go through a rezoning process yeah

[5:01:16] Voice 12: yes they'd have to go through the process

[5:01:17] Voice 9: yeah what's your plan yeah

[5:01:20] Voice 12: and i think that's another

[5:01:22] Voice 12: another important consideration for those that have some issue with the flexible housing idea

[5:01:29] Voice 12: is that when you again when you look at what they have to go through to actually get the property

[5:01:37] Voice 12: rezoned to achieve this yeah it's quite a bit so yeah yeah so I'm sorry well just one really

[5:01:45] Voice 12: quick question I've had two people say to me well why do we say dwellings and a cottage when

[5:01:51] Voice 12: and cottages are clearly well yeah you know what this is sorry this is coming straight from

[5:01:56] Voice 12: main island and i agree because i yeah two people i know who could tell me they're living in a

[5:02:03] Voice 12: cottage that's not a cottage that's a big house yeah you

[5:02:06] Voice 12: know what we're going to remove that

[5:02:07] Voice 12: language that cottage language i should have done that previously i did this really quickly before i

[5:02:13] Voice 12: yeah sent it off but it'll it'll reflect the language that that is okay that's great and

[5:02:18] Voice 12: and this is a weird thing with main island and they the the thing is that we haven't been using

[5:02:25] Voice 12: uh consistent words across the trust area right we need to we need to have that efficiency and

[5:02:33] Voice 12: the challenge one challenge that we are going to have is that there are covenants that have

[5:02:39] Voice 12: the older language and the language for some will be cottage it might be cabin right whatever so um

[5:02:47] Voice 12: something archaic possibly yeah that's right so that's why i mean kind of maintaining that

[5:02:53] Voice 12: language but i think where we now have a regional plan we have many planners thinking about uh this

[5:02:58] Voice 12: consistency and how we can actually that can only be helpful for planners right they have the same

[5:03:04] Voice 12: language oh yeah like a provider it must drive planners crazy when they have a lot

[5:03:09] Voice 12: right i mean that was my first thought is oh yeah more consistency is going to be helpful

[5:03:16] Voice 12: for every month yes anything else so yeah i i just think the communication on this policy is

[5:03:24] Voice 12: it's not clear there is that you and i have had conversations about this and i've seen maine go

[5:03:31] Voice 12: through its flex housing um like at the moment well if this plan was approved as as it stands

[5:03:38] Voice 12: the current drafting the plan supports flexible housing options um does that mean anywhere on

[5:03:45] Voice 12: the island that is not in a freshwater hazard zone would be permitted to have two or small

[5:03:51] Voice 12: two or more small dwellings or would the flex housing zone need to be developed through a

[5:03:58] Voice 12: separate project and mapped and then in that area you can have those additional dwellings

[5:04:05] Voice 12: so what the policy supports is a local trust committee project that may identify

[5:04:14] Voice 12: identify the zone or individuals to apply for rezoning then i think the policy should make that

[5:04:25] Voice 12: more explicit okay because supports flexible housing options i think this is where some of

[5:04:31] Voice 12: the confusion's coming in it sounds like everywhere instead of a single family dwelling you can have

[5:04:37] Voice 12: two or three dwellings and it's not clear that in if you're saying you know so

[5:04:43] Voice 12: let's say supports

[5:04:43] Voice 12: force rezoning for? No, it doesn't. I'm looking at 2.4 point

[5:04:51] Voice 12: 3.6. I'm looking at two, four, two, one, two. What? I'm looking

[5:04:59] Voice 12: at two, four, two, one, two, flexible housing options.

[5:05:03] Voice 12: Residential density policies. Yeah, okay, well, we can be

[5:05:12] Voice 12: specific, you should say sports. Yeah, we can we can put the

[5:05:18] Voice 12: rezoning, we support rezoning for because the policy 2.4 point

[5:05:25] Voice 12: Yes, I hear your point, and we can definitely make sure that that's clear.

[5:05:32] Voice 12: Let me just catch up.

[5:05:36] Voice 12: 24363.

[5:05:41] Voice 12: 24363.

[5:05:43] Voice 12: So that's the only

[5:05:44] Voice 12: question.

[5:05:46] Voice 12: Right.

[5:05:47] Voice 12: Okay.

[5:05:49] Voice 12: Yeah, so I was back in the general land and these policies.

[5:05:55] Voice 12: So I want to just compare 2.4.2.1.2 with, yeah, okay we can we can make sure that 2.4.2.1.2 is explicit about that re-zoning.

[5:06:10] Voice 12: That is re-rezoning or in a flex zoning area that is designated or something.

[5:06:17] Voice 12: Yeah, so

[5:06:18] Voice 12: rezoning for, so rezoning means it could be LTC rezoning it, or it could be an individual application.

[5:06:27] Voice 8: Yeah, right. Okay.

[5:06:30] Voice 12: Yeah, because this just looks like it permits it out, right? And I think that's what people are reacting to.

[5:06:36] Voice 12: yeah yeah yeah okay okay and then the second question i had on that sorry back to that

[5:06:42] Voice 12: same policy the question of may versus must somebody said why not must regulate areas of

[5:06:49] Voice 12: the island now discussion must is not a policy language that we're going to but what if what

[5:07:01] Voice 12: if this language was reversed flexible housing may be permitted on a lot based on the list

[5:07:06] Voice 12: if the if the in areas that the ltc designates as flexible housing or something well again

[5:07:20] Voice 12: um you want to preclude the ability for individuals to rezone for flexible housing

[5:07:26] Voice 12: no okay so then if we keep it open then it's both they reflect it's both supporting an ltc

[5:07:34] Voice 12: initiated project as well. Okay I just think that language yeah okay that makes it more clear.

[5:07:45] Voice 12: Okay so we're good with that? I don't think so we can come back.

[5:07:55] Voice 12: So TUPs it was identified that there's a list of TUP exemptions which is interesting.

[5:08:00] Voice 12: thing. So what's interesting about your TEP section altogether

[5:08:06] Voice 12: is that you have your like TEP guidelines for some very

[5:08:10] Voice 12: specific things in there, which is not necessarily...

[5:08:14] Voice 12: It doesn't seem like it belongs in an OCP. It doesn't

[5:08:18] Voice 12: seem like it belongs in it.

[5:08:19] Voice 12: Well, it doesn't. So we've already said, we put that we put

[5:08:22] Voice 12: that into the land use bylaw. And so it's unique, your

[5:08:29] Voice 12: existing is unique because it has these guidelines for TUPs for specific uses and it also has these

[5:08:36] Voice 12: exemptions for TUPs which is not something that you necessarily see and I think it's also it has

[5:08:43] Voice 12: been confusing to community members who said oh well what about TUPs for x use well yes you can

[5:08:49] Voice 12: certainly you know have a TUP for all uses so I mean that's a question you can remove you could

[5:08:55] Voice 12: to remove your TUP exemptions, you can remove your TUP guidelines altogether. The guidelines

[5:09:04] Voice 12: exist within the TUP, right? So you could use them if you think you're going to continue to get those

[5:09:10] Voice 12: types of TUPs consistently. I mean, I think some OCPs have the TUP guidelines for short-term

[5:09:19] Voice 12: vacation rentals, for example, something that they get frequently. They

[5:09:23] Voice 12: have them in there because

[5:09:24] Voice 12: it's an easy it's easy to find it um so that's just a question like how you know if you want to

[5:09:31] Voice 12: keep the the list of exemptions in there do you want to keep the guidelines that you have

[5:09:37] Voice 12: on those very specific yeah well we definitely make very good use of the tup guidelines for

[5:09:44] Voice 12: short-term vacation rentals and that's like a gabriel uh sort of homegrown um regulatory

[5:09:51] Voice 12: regulatory thing that works for us very well. And I'm always so grateful to the planners who came up with that in the first place. As far as all those exemptions, they should probably just disappear.

[5:10:02] Voice 12: here.

[5:10:06] Voice 8: Just looking at the

[5:10:10] Voice 11: exemptions

[5:10:19] Voice 9: are designated in

[5:10:21] Voice 9: certain areas where you can apply for certain types of

[5:10:26] Voice 9: duties. They're not exempting. You know, the need for it.

[5:10:32] Voice 9: Yeah,

[5:10:32] Voice 12: exactly. And that, I don't know, what do you think? Is that

[5:10:38] Voice 12: that helpful where those areas because we have new maps now too like we have new OCP maps now

[5:10:44] Voice 12: different designations so that's why I thought initially maybe we should get rid of that whole

[5:10:50] Voice 12: statement about exemptions and just deal with them but have some statements about well this is

[5:10:58] Voice 12: absolutely not going to be like you're not doing this because we because if you want to do this

[5:11:04] Voice 12: you need to apply for rezoning you know what i mean chair

[5:11:10] Voice 9: the yeah the i think the intent of

[5:11:13] Voice 9: of having this kind of set out this way is that you don't receive applications in areas that you

[5:11:19] Voice 9: already feel are not suitable for that use but what you can accomplish some of that intent through

[5:11:27] Voice 9: guidelines if you look at your guidelines and have you know if it's water for example that

[5:11:33] Voice 9: you're concerned about in a certain area and have a guideline related to that um you're still going

[5:11:38] Voice 9: to receive the application possibly but whether there's going to be a need to show um whatever

[5:11:45] Voice 9: it is you might need to see um i i'll say that on gabriel uh i can't think of and this is probably

[5:11:54] Voice 9: just in the last three or four years really but i can't think of a tupi application we've received

[5:11:58] Voice 9: that hasn't been for a commercial vacation rental i can't think of one that was for something else

[5:12:04] Voice 12: So what I do like, though, there's a guideline for tiny homes and RVs.

[5:12:11] Voice 3: Yeah,

[5:12:11] Voice 12: so we could have that. I mean, you could decide that you...

[5:12:13] Voice 12: And I think if you want to retain that, we'd actually have to add a little bit more to that.

[5:12:19] Voice 12: Yeah, definitely.

[5:12:20] Voice 12: Book up your water.

[5:12:21] Voice 12: Yeah, all of that. So I agree. Book ups to domestic water and all that kind of stuff.

[5:12:26] Voice 12: But the other thing, include a policy that prohibits future permits for the private sale of on-island water.

[5:12:39] Voice 12: Now, this is interesting because I've been talking for two years about a possible community water supply,

[5:12:47] Voice 12: which means that you still need a someone working as a provisioner

[5:12:55] Voice 12: because we're not in water districts with piping we're in to be a community

[5:12:59] Voice 12: water supply where someone would come with a water truck and make use of that

[5:13:05] Voice 12: water supply and have a business and that you know you probably only

[5:13:10] Voice 12: probably can support more than two I think we have two on island on island

[5:13:14] Voice 12: water delivery services now maybe three um so i wouldn't want to prohibit them from

[5:13:23] Voice 12: making use of that but there would be really strong limits on how that commercial commercial

[5:13:31] Voice 12: provisioner would be using that community water supply you know what i'm saying that would be

[5:13:37] Voice 12: in your so this is where i would suggest that i mean that would be if we ever get that i mean

[5:13:43] Voice 12: You know, you have the application for the TUP and then that would specify the use of

[5:13:50] Voice 12: .

[5:13:53] Voice 12: Yeah.

[5:13:54] Voice 12: So maybe enhance TUP, I mean generally I would never think of approving the TUP for extracting

[5:14:01] Voice 12: water in anywhere really.

[5:14:04] Voice 8: Well,

[5:14:04] Voice 12: William had some feedback on this when I asked the question much earlier.

[5:14:09] Voice 12: Because generally I would want them to rezone, you know.

[5:14:13] Voice 12: well see this is where like you don't have to have the guidelines in your ocp you can just

[5:14:18] Voice 12: remove them and then it's site specific it's a site specific yeah yeah i think that's better

[5:14:23] Voice 12: i really do because this is an ocp it's not the land use file and we're going to move these to

[5:14:29] Voice 12: the landing file yeah but again i mean you might end up changing it when you you know so having it

[5:14:35] Voice 12: in because each circumstance is going to be different so yeah that's the question of whether

[5:14:40] Voice 12: you want to have these sort of general guidelines in there and again i think it makes sense when you

[5:14:45] Voice 12: have something that you have frequently so that that so that the public themselves even can like

[5:14:51] Voice 12: know they can go and they can say okay well this you know in the case of vacation windows

[5:14:56] Voice 12: yeah this is like tiny homes and rvs that makes sense that you'd have maybe a tup and you might

[5:15:06] Voice 12: might even extend it for an extra three years because you know it's

[5:15:10] Voice 12: your temporary dwelling

[5:15:10] Voice 12: but it could also be your permanent plot um in which case but something that you could probably

[5:15:16] Voice 12: anticipate that you could be having but like the water processing you can speculate all you want

[5:15:21] Voice 12: what it would look like but maybe if you took that out yeah then you would just it would be

[5:15:27] Voice 12: site specifically yeah yeah William's feedback from this in May was he need to do more analysis

[5:15:40] Voice 12: but we didn't come back to it but his his when we asked this question about TUPs for industrial

[5:15:46] Voice 12: non-invested water use he said TUPs for industrial water use event of any kind is problematic

[5:15:52] Voice 12: does it require a water license to undertake that work which today it takes time stays with

[5:15:57] Voice 12: the well for a conditional period that is usually 25 years until the next review therefore if the

[5:16:03] Voice 12: tup expires without a rezoning there's a license that is grounded that can't be used based on local

[5:16:07] Voice 12: government zoning yeah this whole section is just yeah i was suggesting

[5:16:11] Voice 12: i mean my suggestion would

[5:16:13] Voice 12: be that yeah you take it you take that yeah that out you know you have your general staff or

[5:16:19] Voice 12: anything you decide whether you want to keep the aggregate processing in the limited public markets

[5:16:24] Voice 12: i mean that one is also a bit weird that one's too weird the limited public market is totally weird

[5:16:29] Voice 12: and i would suggest again you know keep vacation rentals and in chinese people speak to like

[5:16:37] Voice 12: housing related things that and and that's where like residents could then like if you look to the

[5:16:43] Voice 12: line as well and it looks good and thanks oh i could do this for three years and then think

[5:16:48] Voice 12: about like where to go from there yeah i think that's great we'll take out the exemptions and

[5:16:53] Voice 12: we'll take out everything except for vacation rentals and anything right and maybe add a bit

[5:17:06] Voice 12: so question just which occurred to me as i was looking at the guideline about water metering for

[5:17:16] Voice 12: vacation rentals the ltc may require water appearing i

[5:17:21] Voice 8: thought this is some is this

[5:17:23] Voice 8: something we can do as a condition of use because this could be useful if

[5:17:34] Voice 12: as an alternative for

[5:17:38] Voice 12: requiring rainwater harvesting systems for probable use if we didn't if a proponent if

[5:17:46] Voice 12: somebody wanted to make an exception it could be an exception made if they would agree to

[5:17:51] Voice 12: have the water meters but then how would you regulate the check yeah like that's like what

[5:17:58] Voice 12: are your resources because we're not a water district like on salt stream it's commuter and

[5:18:04] Voice 12: something could happen and you pay for it you need a whole sort of system the

[5:18:11] Voice 11: province has to

[5:18:13] Voice 6: regulate the metering of private wells and then that's something we should be advocating for

[5:18:18] Voice 12: i mean it's a great idea well it's in the guideline like it

[5:18:22] Voice 12: looks like we're allowed to

[5:18:24] Voice 12: or we are requiring.

[5:18:25] Voice 12: Well, I mean, I guess it's in there for

[5:18:27] Voice 12: vacation, maybe that's something we could do,

[5:18:29] Voice 12: but I think you were thinking in the context of

[5:18:31] Voice 12: Well, I'm just trying to think of,

[5:18:33] Voice 12: yeah, like, I've been

[5:18:35] Voice 12: asked the question by a couple of people

[5:18:38] Voice 12: why can't the LTC meter

[5:18:40] Voice 12: all of us and regulate

[5:18:41] Voice 12: this? So it's like, this is

[5:18:43] Voice 12: a conversation everywhere.

[5:18:46] Voice 12: You need to make the higher speed.

[5:18:50] Voice 12: Like, I mean, for example, like,

[5:18:52] Voice 12: housing agreements, this was a whole discussion that we had

[5:18:55] Voice 12: of around for for denman can we require housing units for every um uh additional unit like an

[5:19:04] Voice 12: additional secondary unit and the the the thing is yeah you could but but keeping like

[5:19:10] Voice 12: but you wouldn't it's kind of useless because we don't have the staff not

[5:19:15] Voice 12: ready to actually

[5:19:16] Voice 12: added to get that so yeah be similar all right

[5:19:22] Voice 11: okay so moving on

[5:19:23] Voice 12: from GEPs secondary dwellings

[5:19:26] Voice 12: um okay so um yeah so this is one thing we wanted this is actually we wanted to bring this up um

[5:19:34] Voice 12: so in the rural residential and agricultural designation one principal dwelling and one

[5:19:41] Voice 12: One secondary suite is permitted on lots, two hectares or larger.

[5:19:47] Voice 12: Outside the freshwater hazard area, one principal dwelling and one secondary suite and one detached secondary is permitted.

[5:19:57] Voice 12: minute so if you are so uh so so the shift here is um is that you're you're now this is the one

[5:20:10] Voice 12: place where where you're taking something away and this is something to kind of keep in mind so

[5:20:16] Voice 12: what we're saying here is that if you are so if you are in the agricultural uh designation

[5:20:24] Voice 12: you'd be currently allowed to have, in general, you're currently allowed to have a secondary

[5:20:29] Voice 12: suite and a detached unit, but what we're saying here is that if you are in the ICO

[5:20:38] Voice 12: designation, that you are only allowed to have a secondary suite if you're in the freshwater

[5:20:45] Voice 12: hazard area.

[5:20:47] Voice 12: So we want to raise this with the trustees for some discussion, because you have the

[5:20:52] Voice 12: opportunity to consider whether you want to increase the flexibility for those uh properties

[5:20:59] Voice 12: in the agriculture to have a secondary suite for a detached secondary unit the ones that are within

[5:21:05] Voice 12: the freshwater hazard area or you can even consider yeah so i have a question um under

[5:21:14] Voice 12: chadwick so it says here consider whether they want to increase flexibility to allow

[5:21:19] Voice 12: allow one secondary suite or one detached secondary dwelling unit within the freshwater

[5:21:24] Voice 12: hazard area, but it doesn't say anything about agricultural.

[5:21:27] Voice 12: This is within the agricultural, yeah, sorry, that's within the agricultural zone.

[5:21:31] Voice 12: Oh, okay, because I've had a whole bunch of people say, oh, that's crazy to allow it in

[5:21:37] Voice 12: the freshwater hazard zone to have extra dwellings in the freshwater hazard zone, but it doesn't

[5:21:43] Voice 12: say anything here about...

[5:21:46] Voice 12: Yes, the point here is that currently in the agricultural designation, you're allowed to have a secondary suite and a detached that's conforming with the ALR.

[5:22:00] Voice 12: ALR, yeah. So what we, what this OCP is saying is that you're, you're only allowed to have one secondary suite if you're in the, if you're in the

[5:22:14] Voice 12: um fresh water hazard area and uranium in your yeah your agriculture and you're in that yeah

[5:22:24] Voice 12: so okay so like i said that's where in all instances we're not we haven't taken anything

[5:22:28] Voice 12: away except for in this case you are taking away that ability to have that additional you know what

[5:22:35] Voice 12: you can do what you could do is you could increase i mean because they're in the fresh water hazard

[5:22:41] Voice 12: an area they'd already they would already need to have that additional water okay right that's

[5:22:47] Voice 12: the catch right there yes good situation okay well that's there's only two areas that are alar

[5:22:53] Voice 12: that would change my giant no to a maybe well it's not just a lot it's agriculture

[5:23:00] Voice 12: yeah it's not just ale or that because there's agricultural zone that it's not they're not all

[5:23:11] Voice 12: So there's there's there's there's two options here like the way that we that it's written right now it's quite it's quite constraining and it's like only one secondary suite in if you're in the if you're in agriculture and you're in fresh water as an area options are it could be secondary suite for a detached unit and then you only have one or or it could be what what what they're calling it.

[5:23:35] Voice 12: currently allowed but then they you know with the I mean you would already have to have um

[5:23:41] Voice 12: based on our previous discussion they would have to have that potable system okay um that would

[5:23:49] Voice 12: that makes me say that might be okay whereas originally um I just had this giant no here

[5:23:55] Voice 12: because that is one of the most common comments I've had is like we're not going to allow any

[5:24:00] Voice 12: extra dwellings and what in

[5:24:02] Voice 12: the freshwater hazard zone and um sorry

[5:24:06] Voice 8: are we on the exemption form or

[5:24:10] Voice 8: we're on page i

[5:24:11] Voice 12: thought we were on anchor folks for helping um i don't know

[5:24:17] Voice 12: what about if you

[5:24:18] Voice 12: leave it in there and see what i mean if we did not have that restriction of adding the water

[5:24:26] Voice 12: i would say absolutely not because they're in a freshwater hazard zone

[5:24:30] Voice 12: so why would we allow that to all of that extra density that sounds great it's because density

[5:24:36] Voice 12: is not all the same that the humans of well agricultural is is what what i'm kind of focused

[5:24:46] Voice 12: on and it's what i keep hearing of course is that is it is incredibly hard to run a farm and

[5:24:54] Voice 12: actually produce food you need people or you need people who have other jobs this is not a

[5:25:03] Voice 12: profitable enterprise anymore but food production infant security is a is a huge focus on the other

[5:25:10] Voice 12: hand it does use a lot of water so if there's a way to limit size and do home plate zoning

[5:25:18] Voice 12: zoning you know where there's an appropriate location it's that ALR concept that you're not

[5:25:26] Voice 12: putting all your lots on spread over the agricultural land but you're again the

[5:25:33] Voice 12: clustering they're small to reduce the impact and you've got a rainwater harvesting system

[5:25:42] Voice 12: I mean, yeah, how hard

[5:25:46] Voice 12: do we need to make it for farmers?

[5:25:47] Voice 1: Okay, so let

[5:25:48] Voice 12: me say, if you can change it to allow them to have everything that everybody else gets.

[5:25:55] Voice 12: But, but the restrictions, it would have to have affordable systems for each unit.

[5:26:00] Voice 12: And, and maybe there's a proximity to the primary home, which would ensure that

[5:26:09] Voice 12: follow the home plate but you don't need um

[5:26:12] Voice 12: you know model i mean how many farms do we have right in the freshwater hazards

[5:26:17] Voice 12: right actually there probably aren't a lot so i would say you know be generous leave it in there

[5:26:32] Voice 12: with the restrictions on provision of water um and size restrictions to the the buildings because

[5:26:39] Voice 12: we're not talking about we're talking about if you if you really are talking about farm

[5:26:43] Voice 12: farm dwellers and workers and families in the freshwater hazard zone then those dwellings

[5:26:51] Voice 12: shouldn't need to be huge let's leave it in there and

[5:26:55] Voice 12: see what people say but i i do feel

[5:26:57] Voice 12: differently about just residential so yeah you're asking the same question rural residential and

[5:27:06] Voice 12: agricultural designation so i think that where possible agricultural designated land

[5:27:15] Voice 12: Because the primary use is agriculture, but it uses a lot of water, it doesn't guarantee

[5:27:23] Voice 12: that the units will be used for the farm.

[5:27:26] Voice 12: Exactly, because you're not going to be asking for a housing agreement.

[5:27:29] Voice 12: You're just going to have

[5:27:31] Voice 12: people moving into those farms that need multiple people.

[5:27:35] Voice 12: Oh yeah, living insurance and renters, you know, add to the income and TUPs for temporary

[5:27:41] Voice 12: used you know we've got the garden bed has that yeah yeah i don't think most of them are in the

[5:27:46] Voice 12: freshman yeah i'm really torn on that i think we should wait for feedback from the farmers group

[5:27:56] Voice 12: okay and maybe think of separating the residential and the agricultural designations i mean

[5:28:03] Voice 12: that's what we have done yeah oh okay yeah yeah yeah i mean i feel the same

[5:28:10] Voice 12: and we need farmers. Farmers need water and places.

[5:28:15] Voice 12: That's a hard one. I don't really know.

[5:28:20] Voice 9: Can I just check in? It's 4 o'clock.

[5:28:23] Voice 11: I'm getting concerned about the time too.

[5:28:25] Voice 9: We have this book until 2

[5:28:28] Voice 11: .30.

[5:28:30] Voice 9: We have a book until 2.30.

[5:28:35] Voice 12: We've only got three more pages before we get to the table

[5:28:39] Voice 12: which is, we don't really need to go over the table because the table is just comparing the old to the new.

[5:28:47] Voice 12: Yeah, I would suggest we sort of whip through it and we can have further discussion.

[5:28:53] Voice 11: Yeah, we

[5:28:54] Voice 6: agree on further discussion. Yeah.

[5:28:57] Voice 6: So the next one is the new policies. Is that where we are?

[5:29:06] Voice 12: Yes, so right now, it's not identifying the size. So that was an issue. It is identifying

[5:29:21] Voice 12: the lineage by law. It's because we're going to move away from being more prescriptive,

[5:29:26] Voice 12: but perhaps this is a case where you want that.

[5:29:28] Voice 12: there needs to be some statement about the size because people just panic right let's put it in

[5:29:34] Voice 12: for now yeah okay next dark skies this is your dark skies susan needed so these these would be

[5:29:42] Voice 12: general regs which would apply to every yeah yeah just a note on your um policy two four three eight

[5:29:48] Voice 12: three bright lights at night are discouraged it's not just bright light it's like unshielded lights

[5:29:56] Voice 12: And also any, like, yeah, so any editorial.

[5:30:00] Voice 12: you might have related to those um so you're all okay with the dark side dark side dark yeah

[5:30:08] Voice 12: okay next page there's just a typo exception from agriculture oh yeah

[5:30:13] Voice 12: okay so this is um so this is pretty straightforward this is basically saying

[5:30:19] Voice 12: uh that so right now um it's the local government that can apply to the agricultural alignment

[5:30:26] Voice 12: is there for an exemption from farm use and so this is basically saying that you support uh the

[5:30:32] Voice 12: local trust committee to apply for exemption for for except for exemption for farm use for

[5:30:39] Voice 12: affordable housing yeah or traditional units whatever so just a really quick question there

[5:30:44] Voice 12: is that hope i think that's what they did for the accessory to farming uses at the

[5:30:49] Voice 12: gabriel the commons there's the main uses agriculture and then all of the other uses

[5:30:54] Voice 12: Yes,

[5:30:54] Voice 8: they probably did.

[5:30:55] Voice 12: Yeah. And so this is really just applying for that exemption and it's a whole process and then you still have to go through a rezoning. So there's still a public process right there.

[5:31:10] Voice 12: What about agriculture and forestry designations and reflects housing potential? Do we want that outside the ALR? I don't know.

[5:31:28] Voice 12: I if it's agriculture yes this is really about allowing flex housing and agriculture and forestry

[5:31:39] Voice 12: like the ability to just rezone yeah and I'm good with that I just for now just wanted to clarify

[5:31:44] Voice 12: yeah um oh yeah no no no water pipeline but that was a thing that came up yeah what about the fixed

[5:31:54] Voice 12: Yeah, no fixed link to VI or the main ladder, I think it's

[5:31:59] Voice 12: the word fixed link, like there's

[5:32:01] Voice 12: something about that.

[5:32:02] Voice 12: Yeah.

[5:32:04] Voice 12: Oh, yeah.

[5:32:04] Voice 12: And that's the second place for this.

[5:32:06] Voice 12: That's, that's your program.

[5:32:08] Voice 12: Yeah.

[5:32:11] Voice 12: All good?

[5:32:12] Voice 12: Yeah.

[5:32:13] Voice 12: Other items for discussion?

[5:32:15] Voice 12: Well, there's a lot that, you know, folks have sent in one case, 33 pages of, you know,

[5:32:21] Voice 12: you're looking at them.

[5:32:22] Voice 12: Yeah.

[5:32:22] Voice 12: I'm going through every single one of those.

[5:32:24] Voice 12: Yeah. Well, it's actually ends up being 40 some odd because there's a whole lot.

[5:32:33] Voice 12: And there's a lot of sort of repeat things in that, so I'm not afraid of it.

[5:32:39] Voice 12: Okay.

[5:32:39] Voice 12: We're going through it, kind of, I'm going through it, each one,

[5:32:42] Voice 12: and I'm making changes, interact changes, so that you can see them.

[5:32:47] Voice 12: And where it's more editorial in nature, I'm just making the changes.

[5:32:51] Voice 12: where it's something substantive i'm adding it to the i did i had one last question very quick

[5:32:58] Voice 12: in the new lub update subdivision blah blah including requiring provision of transportation

[5:33:06] Voice 12: infrastructure are you also including trails and and paths in that because transportation

[5:33:13] Voice 12: infrastructure when you know are we talking about connecting paths connecting trails or are you

[5:33:18] Voice 12: actually talking about roads or what are we talking about there? Provision of transportation?

[5:33:24] Voice 12: Yeah it's possible to improve existing networks and contribute to active transportation.

[5:33:29] Voice 12: Excellent okay active transportation. Do we

[5:33:32] Voice 12: have any designated rural roadways?

[5:33:45] Voice 12: I encourage staff to look at the Ministry of Housing and Municipal Affairs feedback I sent you

[5:33:51] Voice 12: the link um there is some stuff about ways to close the system through roadways and actually

[5:33:56] Voice 12: categories of seven types of housing needs so um there's stuff that I think I don't want to add

[5:34:03] Voice 12: have more but it may be helpful to clarify language at least and thank you to everybody

[5:34:08] Voice 12: who's given feedback you know i think some of the submissions are incredible and really help

[5:34:14] Voice 12: help us get to where we need to be so we don't have confidence this is

[5:34:20] Voice 12: so we try to leave this

[5:34:22] Voice 12: resolution the number do we need number three uh yes okay all right i know that the gabriel

[5:34:30] Voice 12: on a local trust committee endorsed the changes to the draft gabriel official community plan

[5:34:36] Voice 12: prior to first reading as discussed at the july 16th 2026 gabriel island local trust committee

[5:34:43] Voice 12: meeting second second by trustee elliott any discussion all those in favor that carries so

[5:34:49] Voice 6: we've done all of that thank you wow okay all right thank you mission correspondent

[5:34:57] Voice 6: correspondence. Keep us moving because we are in trouble here

[5:35:01] Voice 6: on time. Are there any pieces of correspondence

[5:35:03] Voice 11: that you wish to

[5:35:05] Voice 12: address today?

[5:35:06] Voice 12: I would add one that I would, I can read out somebody just left

[5:35:11] Voice 12: us a note. I don't know if that's

[5:35:13] Voice 12: well,

[5:35:15] Voice 9: the policy is that

[5:35:18] Voice 9: Okay,

[5:35:20] Voice 6: okay. All right. So we'll receive all the correspondence

[5:35:24] Voice 6: for information yeah new

[5:35:26] Voice 11: business the community stewardship award ceremony discussion so it's

[5:35:31] Voice 11: recommended we have a resolution there at 12.1

[5:35:34] Voice 12: for the september 3rd okay um i move that gabriel

[5:35:40] Voice 12: local trust committee authorized up to 150 dollars to be used to host a community stewardship award

[5:35:48] Voice 12: board celebration event as part of the september 3rd 2026 regular business meeting second second

[5:35:55] Voice 12: any discussion wait we have comments this

[5:35:58] Voice 9: happened all really fast uh our staff

[5:36:03] Voice 9: probably maybe well she had been here to help you with any questions but um maybe you're just

[5:36:11] Voice 9: we

[5:36:12] Voice 6: know what it is it's a party there we've got it's all it's in the policy we just approved

[5:36:16] Voice 6: pretty recently addressed.

[5:36:17] Voice 9: Yeah. Organized.

[5:36:20] Voice 6: Yes. I'll call the

[5:36:24] Voice 6: book then all those in favor that carries. Sorry, I didn't

[5:36:28] Voice 6: mean to run over Chloe, but we're ready. staff reports is a

[5:36:33] Voice 6: number of staff reports here.

[5:36:34] Voice 12: I've got a really

[5:36:35] Voice 12: we expect to have an island stress Conservancy East

[5:36:40] Voice 12: executive committee and board meeting on july 28th and the months of may and june are when we do

[5:36:48] Voice 12: covenant and nature reserve monitoring and where possible the trustees join the monitoring teams

[5:36:54] Voice 12: and we did that this year it was very enjoyable and the most important

[5:36:58] Voice 12: thing that i wanted to

[5:36:59] Voice 12: mention is that the islands trust conservancy has a new communication lead and her name is

[5:37:05] Voice 12: Erin Udall and she is Gabriela Island's Executive Director from the Chamber of Commerce was was

[5:37:13] Voice 12: because she started on July 6th super and we are

[5:37:16] Voice 12: so proud of her for that position she will serve

[5:37:20] Voice 12: us well thank you thank you very much there's a patient's report here

[5:37:24] Voice 12: is there any questions on

[5:37:26] Voice 12: applications well your expense report is here your adopted policies and standing resolutions

[5:37:41] Voice 11: So the work program, the active projects list

[5:37:44] Voice 6: is here, I assume we're still focused where

[5:37:46] Voice 6: we are.

[5:37:47] Voice 6: Future projects list, I think if we have time before the end of the term, although I'll

[5:37:55] Voice 6: send

[5:37:56] Voice 11: to you, Susan, I have a proposal for Salt Spring of piloting, you know, let's get

[5:38:02] Voice 11: radical and really change the future projects list and we may planning issues register that

[5:38:08] Voice 11: staff can put stuff on it too so that we can see everything that needs to be done not just

[5:38:14] Voice 11: work with political wins of the day work so yes i at least i think we owe the next um

[5:38:20] Voice 11: term a cleaned up list that we put our perspective to it so anyway yeah

[5:38:28] Voice 9: I don't know a lot about that, but I know some of this is based on all of the stuff

[5:38:35] Voice 9: is based on policy, but maybe something to raise it.

[5:38:39] Voice 6: Oh, no, the pilot for is something that's also mentioned in the book, right?

[5:38:43] Voice 6: Only that.

[5:38:43] Voice 6: Oh, yeah.

[5:38:45] Voice 9: Yes.

[5:38:46] Voice 6: No, they're

[5:38:47] Voice 6: not committing to applying as you've read this week.

[5:38:49] Voice 6: No worries.

[5:38:50] Voice 6: Yeah.

[5:38:51] Voice 6: That's coming to Trust Council in September.

[5:38:56] Voice 6: Okay, so we're at the closed meeting, so the next regular meeting is September 3rd, we'll

[5:39:02] Voice 6: be celebrating the community award for Brittany Banning, and the community stewardship award,

[5:39:09] Voice 6: and we're going to be going into closed meeting, so thank you everyone for attending today,

[5:39:15] Voice 6: and we'll try some report at the next meeting.

[5:39:18] Voice 6: So, yes,

[5:39:19] Voice 12: thank you sound representative hope for attending our meeting. So, wait, wait. All right, let's get

[5:39:25] Voice 12: this motion in accordance with the community charter for division three section 91 for the purpose of considering you don't have to rest.

[5:39:33] Voice 12: I have a lot of reports with the council considers that disclosure reasonably expected to harm the conduct of an investigation under or enforcement of an enactment.

[5:39:43] Voice 12: and let the reporter and staff attend the meeting.

[5:39:45] Voice 12: Is there a second?

[5:39:46] Voice 12: Speaking of that,

[5:39:47] Voice 12: all those

[5:39:48] Voice 11: in favor?

[5:39:51] Voice 11: You guys can pause for a moment.

[5:39:52] Voice 11: We are.

[5:39:53] Voice 11: And breathe.