Saturna Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, July 20, 2026

[0:00:05] Voice 5: Thank you, Lisa. Good afternoon.

[0:00:08] Voice 5: I squich ale, which means good day in Sinchathin.

[0:00:12] Voice 5: Thank you, everyone, for attending this electronic meeting of the

[0:00:17] Voice 5: Maine Island Local Trust Committee. It is July 20th, 2026.

[0:00:22] Voice 5: And we are meeting and would like to begin

[0:00:25] Voice 5: by respectfully acknowledging that the land and waters in which

[0:00:29] Voice 5: we're gathered in different locations across the

[0:00:36] Voice 5: the trust area, are within the traditional territories of many Coast Salish peoples.

[0:00:41] Voice 5: On Main Island, the Wasaytnich and Sinchothan speaking peoples have important current and

[0:00:50] Voice 5: historical relationships to the land, the culture, and the spirit of this place,

[0:00:53] Voice 5: and that continues to this day. We strive to honor their presence, their stories,

[0:00:58] Voice 5: their lived experience, and their knowledge of the land and water as we do our work.

[0:01:03] Voice 5: I'm Toby Elliott. I'm elected on Gabriela Island. I'm the chair of the Maine Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:01:08] Voice 5: And I'm joined today by your two Maine Island local trustees, David Mott and Janine Dodds.

[0:01:16] Voice 5: Hello.

[0:01:19] Voice 5: We make up the Maine Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:01:23] Voice 5: We have some staff members today also joined electronically.

[0:01:26] Voice 5: Bruce Belcher, hello, fully in the seat as our island planner.

[0:01:30] Voice 5: and Warren Dingman, Manager of By-law Enforcement and Compliance,

[0:01:34] Voice 5: who will be presenting his report, which is pretty much the substance of our agenda.

[0:01:40] Voice 5: This meeting is being live-streamed and recorded.

[0:01:43] Voice 5: For those unable to attend in person and watch,

[0:01:47] Voice 5: the recording will be available on the Islands Trust website within the next few days.

[0:01:51] Voice 5: So just a final note that this meeting is an official forum for the local trust committee

[0:01:57] Voice 5: to make decisions about matters that affect this area and it is a place of employment and so

[0:02:05] Voice 5: despite the fact that some staff are in their own homes our staff have a right to a safe and

[0:02:10] Voice 5: respectful workplace so with that i'll get into the approval of agenda are there additions or

[0:02:17] Voice 5: amendments to the agenda oh sorry i skipped rise and report i'll do that um i will rise and report

[0:02:27] Voice 5: the adoption of the January 26,

[0:02:29] Voice 5: 2026 in-camera meeting

[0:02:31] Voice 5: minutes, and that the local

[0:02:33] Voice 5: trust committee requested staff to bring back

[0:02:35] Voice 5: policy amendments on the bylaw enforcement

[0:02:37] Voice 5: and compliance policy.

[0:02:40] Voice 5: So with that, I'll look

[0:02:41] Voice 5: for approval or amendment to the

[0:02:43] Voice 5: agenda. All good?

[0:02:46] Voice 5: All right. Take it by general consent that the agenda

[0:02:48] Voice 5: be approved as presented.

[0:02:51] Voice 5: And

[0:02:52] Voice 5: we will go into our public

[0:02:54] Voice 5: participation period.

[0:02:56] Voice 5: And I do have a few notes to share just before we get into acknowledging speakers. But first, is there anybody in the meeting? Any attendees? I don't see anyone in the meeting.

[0:03:14] Voice 5: Okay. So it looks like we do not have any members of the public attending who might wish to speak. Just give it a bit of a moment, but I would have read out my preamble about respectful speech, which is almost always the case on Maine, and upholding cultural safety and keeping the conversation constructive.

[0:03:38] Voice 5: These are standards that Islands Trust is newly foregrounding and putting before every meeting so that we have the same standards of conduct and expectations of both the public and ourselves. So thank you for bearing with me.

[0:03:53] Voice 5: okay we will move on from um public participation period then gosh i hope this meeting if this ends

[0:04:04] Voice 5: in under an hour this could be a record um and we've got nothing for section six seven so we

[0:04:11] Voice 5: just have minutes for adoption from june 29th 2026 page three of the agenda does anybody have

[0:04:19] Voice 5: any changes or issues with those minutes okay i'll

[0:04:25] Voice 5: take it by general consent that the minutes

[0:04:26] Voice 5: of june 29th 2026 of the main local trust committee be adopted and so we will go into

[0:04:36] Voice 5: our follow-up action list so this is a an ongoing list i see a lot of 100 completed items so these

[0:04:50] Voice 5: will disappear as soon as uh for the next meeting but are there any staff updates or questions

[0:04:56] Voice 5: or staff on the follow-up action report okay not seeing any bruce there's no updates for us

[0:05:14] Voice 3: um not really the we're sort of just uh so the consolidation of the bylaw for

[0:05:22] Voice 3: the amendment bylaw for the bc ferries rezoning that's in progress we've just completed the

[0:05:28] Voice 3: the mapping i think so it should be should have the consolidation done pretty soon and uh otherwise

[0:05:38] Voice 3: um yeah i think everything else is fairly straightforward maybe

[0:05:45] Voice 5: we can just talk about

[0:05:47] Voice 5: item 10 for a second on page 12 here uh so that's related to we've got this conversation going which

[0:05:57] Voice 5: which I'd like to pick up on the future projects list.

[0:06:00] Voice 5: So you did provide the report on the Gambier's land use bylaw on foreshore uses.

[0:06:10] Voice 5: Is that what this is referring to?

[0:06:13] Voice 3: Yeah, so that's just the most, so that's the Keats Island shoreline development permit area.

[0:06:20] Voice 3: Just as an example of what that foreshore DPA looks like, and because it was just completed last year, so that would be a good like template to use, then we might be able to like work that into a minor project, depending on how much, you know, extra resources are required.

[0:06:49] Voice 5: Right. So this was responding to the first item on the Future Projects Report about foreshore education marine zoning. So, Trustees, since this was provided for your information, do you think, you know, is there some action to take? Should that DPA, is it a DPA? Sorry, Bruce.

[0:07:14] Voice 3: Yeah, it's the shoreline DPA.

[0:07:17] Voice 5: So should that shoreline DPA come back to the LTC for consideration, say, early in the next term? Or is that something that the future LTC could bring back and we don't need to give direction?

[0:07:38] Voice 5: Yeah, go ahead.

[0:07:39] Voice 8: I suspect it should be for the next local trust committee to do. But also, I think it's a way to open up a conversation.

[0:07:48] Voice 8: our problem on main is that the bulk of our waterfront properties were developed long ago

[0:07:54] Voice 8: so it's kind of a catch-22 how do we educate how do we clean up issues that we have on the shoreline

[0:08:00] Voice 8: so to get an education package I think we start with looking at possibly a development permit

[0:08:06] Voice 8: area that will certainly that will certainly stir the pot so to speak but I think yes it has to wait

[0:08:14] Voice 8: for the next local trust committee because it's going to be not a not a simple uh process to go

[0:08:20] Voice 8: through that because we already have so much existing really a lot of it non-permitted

[0:08:26] Voice 8: structures on the waterfront yeah

[0:08:30] Voice 5: and so my my impression that was that we were looking for more

[0:08:34] Voice 5: education um because there's yeah so bruce perhaps this could be good for your notes as you're going

[0:08:44] Voice 5: going to continue to be the island planner that you could bring that back that report or

[0:08:52] Voice 5: circulate that to the new main local trust committee um at whatever point they're considering

[0:08:59] Voice 5: their minor project or any any work that they want to undertake next term sure yeah

[0:09:10] Voice 5: that yeah

[0:09:11] Voice 5: so that's the kind of information i was hoping to to flesh out what do we know and and what do we

[0:09:15] Voice 5: want to set the next local trust committee up for success in terms of work that's done and work that

[0:09:22] Voice 5: could be considered do you need a resolution for that bruce or can you uh

[0:09:29] Voice 3: i don't think so because

[0:09:32] Voice 3: we've already got it all kind of captured in the in the future projects report um just like i can

[0:09:40] Voice 3: And it's, I think it's fairly up to date, but yeah.

[0:09:47] Voice 5: Okay. Thank you for that then.

[0:09:50] Voice 5: And was there anything else in the follow-up action list trustees that you

[0:09:59] Voice 5: wanted to go into? I guess for me, item 11,

[0:10:08] Voice 5: we do have one final meeting. And so trustees,

[0:10:14] Voice 5: did you have any feedback for the planner on any areas of potential amendments to the land use

[0:10:21] Voice 5: bylaw or should we just leave this one as completed because i know bruce has reached out to all of us

[0:10:27] Voice 5: but if there isn't um i

[0:10:31] Voice 8: think the only thing that really has popped up recently was the short-term

[0:10:35] Voice 8: vacation rental temporary use permit very unlikely we've only ever had the two um but it

[0:10:43] Voice 8: It was considering the size of the property in the future.

[0:10:48] Voice 8: So I think that was an area where we should probably look at our land use bylaw

[0:10:52] Voice 8: and possibly completely exclude some of the very, very small lots as not being suitable

[0:10:59] Voice 8: so we won't mislead the public to applying for a temporary use permit

[0:11:03] Voice 8: when you have a very tight, dense neighborhood.

[0:11:09] Voice 8: So that came up.

[0:11:10] Voice 8: off the top of my head, I can't think of any other right now. We've done a lot of bylaw changes

[0:11:16] Voice 8: over the last few years. So I guess the other one was, and David, I think you mentioned,

[0:11:22] Voice 8: we have no sort of cap on accessory buildings. So if I have acreage, and I have a certain lot,

[0:11:29] Voice 8: I have lot coverage, but accessory buildings, other than perhaps farm buildings can get quite

[0:11:36] Voice 8: quite quite extensive too so it's probably accessory the size the actual some kind of cap

[0:11:42] Voice 8: of limit on the actual size and maybe to review again the number of accessory buildings on in the

[0:11:50] Voice 8: different zones because there again i think small lots or medium-sized lots can have as many

[0:11:56] Voice 8: accessory buildings as a very large parcel a rural or or uplands so that those two items come to mind

[0:12:06] Voice 8: rate now.

[0:12:08] Voice 5: So allocating a max or a cap on accessory structures?

[0:12:19] Voice 8: I suspect that other

[0:12:22] Voice 8: local trust committees must have some kind of guidelines on that. We really don't. We just

[0:12:27] Voice 8: talk about how many without considering the size that they might be. So some might be larger than

[0:12:32] Voice 8: dwelling. And then they quickly get converted to another dwelling. So that's something that we

[0:12:39] Voice 8: should look at. And the number, the number, the sheer number. It's a few years back that we last

[0:12:43] Voice 8: did that. And I think it's time for a review.

[0:12:47] Voice 5: Okay. So why don't we put, we can have a little

[0:12:50] Voice 5: more discussion at the future projects report. Maybe we can just add a few notes, but the size

[0:12:56] Voice 5: of lots for stvrs in a possible exclusion zone and then allocating a cop cap or determining a cap for

[0:13:05] Voice 5: accessory structures depending on the size of the lot okay let's come back to that conversation

[0:13:13] Voice 5: thanks anything else there david no

[0:13:16] Voice 2: i i think christy dodge has captured what's on the top of

[0:13:21] Voice 2: in my head right now it's funny because when we we've done a few of these now a

[0:13:26] Voice 6: little minor

[0:13:27] Voice 2: just to um fix up the land use bylaw and it's we always start with a short list and we end up with

[0:13:34] Voice 2: a long list and then we we finish with a short list again so i think until we tease it out um

[0:13:40] Voice 2: it might look a little barren but um i suspect once we we actually firmly turn our mind to

[0:13:46] Voice 2: Planner Belcher's wonderful memo

[0:13:48] Voice 2: will probably come up with all sorts

[0:13:50] Voice 2: of cool stuff for him

[0:13:53] Voice 5: Right, so I just want to

[0:13:55] Voice 5: be clear on process, are we asking

[0:13:57] Voice 5: staff to come back with a memo

[0:13:58] Voice 5: for next meeting?

[0:14:02] Voice 2: No, well

[0:14:02] Voice 2: at some point, I don't know

[0:14:06] Voice 2: I'm sure that Planner Belcher's

[0:14:08] Voice 2: got a lot on his plate and this

[0:14:09] Voice 2: obviously is not a high priority

[0:14:12] Voice 2: but I think

[0:14:14] Voice 2: when he decides

[0:14:16] Voice 2: to trigger it

[0:14:16] Voice 2: um so um we're open to it but i don't think we need to put a timeline on it because it's not

[0:14:23] Voice 2: pressing yeah

[0:14:24] Voice 6: we're

[0:14:27] Voice 8: really sitting we're really sitting right now with one more meeting

[0:14:30] Voice 8: potentially in september um but really moving into election time and where we don't have

[0:14:37] Voice 8: no

[0:14:39] Voice 5: it's not oh sorry i'm talking i'm in my engine i apologize i spoke over your trusty

[0:14:47] Voice 5: dodds because my internet cut you out and i thought you were finished could you repeat that

[0:14:51] Voice 8: please oh i just think that we're in kind of a limbo time right now where that we finished up

[0:14:56] Voice 8: everything relatively early in terms of the election coming up and that should suddenly

[0:15:02] Voice 8: put a whole lot of things on the next agenda would not be appropriate at the moment so those are sort

[0:15:09] Voice 8: of thoughts of things that perhaps the next trust committee would want to look at but i don't think

[0:15:14] Voice 8: we should be giving it a whole lot of direction at this time i

[0:15:19] Voice 5: absolutely agree with you on the

[0:15:21] Voice 5: point of direction i guess what i was hoping to capture is pretty much what you had just said

[0:15:28] Voice 5: which is what are the things that we that came up during the past four years that the main local

[0:15:36] Voice 5: trust committee goes you know what that's a potential future area to

[0:15:41] Voice 5: look at whether it's

[0:15:42] Voice 5: a project, whether the LTC picks it up as a minor project or it's a major OCP review or it's a

[0:15:48] Voice 5: shoreline development permit area, that's their decision. What I'm trying to capture right now

[0:15:55] Voice 5: is what do you know as local trustees? And I think what you just articulated perfectly about

[0:16:01] Voice 5: the short-term vacation rentals correlated to the size of lots. I think cistern requirements

[0:16:09] Voice 5: requirements in areas outside of the flexible housing zone, because it looks like that was

[0:16:14] Voice 5: addressed through flexible housing, but there's a lot of work that could be done, whether it's

[0:16:19] Voice 5: education or potential, you know, requirements for sister

[0:16:26] Voice 5: hookups, let's say. So that's what I'm

[0:16:28] Voice 5: trying to capture is just make sure that

[0:16:29] Voice 5: the planner who's going to continue on, even if we're

[0:16:32] Voice 5: not here

[0:16:33] Voice 6: has

[0:16:34] Voice 5: all the information as to why something was on the faction list yes

[0:16:39] Voice 8: okay so

[0:16:40] Voice 5: let's let's carry that on at the final yeah final part of the day and let's get on with our rest of

[0:16:47] Voice 5: our meetings so applications and referrals we've got one referral from uh the saturn island line

[0:16:55] Voice 5: or Saturna local trust committee rather bylaw number 146 and so this is about

[0:17:09] Voice 5: 30 days notice for a property subject to bylaw enforcement investigation anything you want to

[0:17:17] Voice 5: add about this trustee Maude as you're the chair of Saturna

[0:17:21] Voice 2: nothing more to add it's I think

[0:17:25] Voice 2: rather straightforward the community

[0:17:27] Voice 2: this is

[0:17:28] Voice 2: interested in a longer

[0:17:30] Voice 2: notification period

[0:17:33] Voice 2: I don't know if

[0:17:35] Voice 2: manager Dingman has anything more

[0:17:37] Voice 2: to add to that it's just

[0:17:39] Voice 2: what the island wanted so that's

[0:17:41] Voice 2: what's been put forward

[0:17:44] Voice 8: okay

[0:17:46] Voice 8: I'll move that the

[0:17:48] Voice 8: interests of the main island local trust

[0:17:50] Voice 8: committee are not impacted

[0:17:52] Voice 8: by bylaw

[0:17:55] Voice 8: bylaw

[0:17:56] Voice 8: bylaw number 146 saturn island right yeah thank you

[0:18:02] Voice 5: we

[0:18:03] Voice 8: have a 146 is confusing saturn

[0:18:06] Voice 5: local trust committee their interests are unaffected by bylaw number 146

[0:18:11] Voice 5: thanks trustee dodds you're a little bit glitchy and i don't know if it's your internet or mine

[0:18:16] Voice 5: so i'm turning off my okay

[0:18:18] Voice 2: uh

[0:18:20] Voice 5: do i have a seconder i

[0:18:22] Voice 2: got a seconder all

[0:18:24] Voice 5: right seconded by trustee

[0:18:25] Voice 5: mod any discussion all those in favor raise your hand or say aye that is carried thank you

[0:18:33] Voice 5: so moving on we are now into our local trust committee projects there is none

[0:18:42] Voice 5: and so actually down to the future projects list report i don't think we need to spend any

[0:18:51] Voice 5: much more time on this um but just turning to page 18 yeah so just considering what trustee

[0:19:06] Voice 5: dodds had said bruce would we want to revise this list like number three first nation reserve x

[0:19:15] Voice 5: land access to water and power is not at all in our jurisdiction so do you think we could remove

[0:19:24] Voice 5: move that yeah

[0:19:26] Voice 3: i think uh revising this would be the best uh way to proceed with uh with the next

[0:19:34] Voice 3: uh local trust committee so yeah we can like

[0:19:38] Voice 3: clean it up a bit that would be great so

[0:19:42] Voice 5: trustees do you

[0:19:42] Voice 5: want to spend a bit of time in that right now or get to manager dingman's report and come back

[0:19:49] Voice 5: for this or what's your preference

[0:19:55] Voice 6: i

[0:20:02] Voice 8: i don't i think we've covered what's on there at this point um i'm always at a loss without

[0:20:11] Voice 8: my paper without my paper i'm switching screens here back and forth but okay

[0:20:17] Voice 5: on page 18

[0:20:21] Voice 8: so

[0:20:23] Voice 5: i think for the ltc

[0:20:25] Voice 5: to remove anything we'd need a resolution right right right right so

[0:20:31] Voice 5: So we're talking about number three, for instance.

[0:20:34] Voice 5: Right.

[0:20:34] Voice 8: This

[0:20:35] Voice 5: was a conversation, but this isn't anything in the LTC's jurisdiction.

[0:20:40] Voice 5: No, no.

[0:20:41] Voice 8: So we need to make a...

[0:20:44] Voice 5: Yeah.

[0:20:44] Voice 8: Okay.

[0:20:45] Voice 8: So I move that the Main Island Local Trust Committee remove number three from our future projects report,

[0:20:55] Voice 8: First Nation Reserve Lands Access to Water and Power.

[0:20:59] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:21:00] Voice 5: that's moved do i have a seconder i

[0:21:02] Voice 8: will second second

[0:21:04] Voice 5: i just

[0:21:05] Voice 8: i just want to speak to the motion

[0:21:07] Voice 8: because i think this is a spot where we could possibly move that to the amenity area that we

[0:21:13] Voice 8: already have um so i'm not sure how that works but that to me would be an amenity in the future

[0:21:19] Voice 8: for possible rezoning somewhere so just don't want to lose the concept right

[0:21:26] Voice 5: okay

[0:21:27] Voice 8: so well

[0:21:29] Voice 5: Well,

[0:21:29] Voice 8: amenity zoning is not on our list here.

[0:21:33] Voice 8: No.

[0:21:34] Voice 8: No, but we could do that in our minor.

[0:21:36] Voice 8: Anyways, we can add that at some future date,

[0:21:39] Voice 8: but just I'm not throwing it out completely.

[0:21:41] Voice 8: Okay.

[0:21:42] Voice 5: Okay, great.

[0:21:44] Voice 5: Thank you for that, Trustee Dodds.

[0:21:46] Voice 5: Any more discussion on the motion?

[0:21:49] Voice 5: All right, all those in favor, raise your hand or say aye.

[0:21:52] Voice 5: And that is carried.

[0:21:54] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:21:55] Voice 5: Are there any other items?

[0:21:58] Voice 5: I would suggest that for number one, we could just include, you know, circulate Keats DPA guidelines for, you know, in a future agenda that could be added, potentially, whatever materials that are relevant.

[0:22:19] Voice 5: number two this was this

[0:22:22] Voice 6: was

[0:22:23] Voice 5: where i thought there might be further work because folks who

[0:22:29] Voice 5: are concerned about water you know outside of the housing flex housing zone what are we doing about

[0:22:35] Voice 5: water are we requiring cisterns um so i don't know if there's anything more you can give us

[0:22:43] Voice 5: trustees to amplify this why this is here

[0:22:47] Voice 8: what the needs we now we now require cisterns for any

[0:22:51] Voice 8: new building um building applications any new structures now will require cisterns but we

[0:23:00] Voice 8: haven't specified anything about size or location or any of that so clearly we have to do more work

[0:23:08] Voice 8: on the on just what the expectations would be for new builds great

[0:23:15] Voice 5: and i see bruce is taking notes

[0:23:18] Voice 5: as we are discussing so thank you

[0:23:20] Voice 8: do we need a motion to or is this we just can we leave this

[0:23:23] Voice 8: in the future projects no

[0:23:26] Voice 5: i think we can just leave it

[0:23:27] Voice 8: okay so we need to leave that yes

[0:23:31] Voice 5: yeah and then review of lot coverage maximums perhaps under this one would we add

[0:23:38] Voice 5: and consideration of number of outbuildings

[0:23:43] Voice 5: sized for the lot

[0:23:45] Voice 5: to

[0:23:46] Voice 8: potentially

[0:23:48] Voice 5: determine a cap

[0:23:49] Voice 5: or how the accessible

[0:23:52] Voice 5: structures are appropriate.

[0:23:54] Voice 5: Yes.

[0:23:56] Voice 5: Great.

[0:23:56] Voice 5: Was there anything else on this lot coverage maximums

[0:24:00] Voice 5: that you can recall for our conversations, Trustee Mudd?

[0:24:05] Voice 2: Nothing that I recall

[0:24:06] Voice 2: call um because it was it was more i think most of the discussion about accessory buildings because

[0:24:11] Voice 2: it's a two-fold thing it's one as trustee dodds um uh outlined it's we don't have a maximum size

[0:24:20] Voice 2: for accessory buildings so that i think needs to be a discussion but but also that there's there's

[0:24:26] Voice 2: this unusual situation where small lots are permitted um uh just as many buildings as large

[0:24:33] Voice 2: lot so if you um it's it's i don't want to do the deep dive but basically can i say if you've got a

[0:24:40] Voice 2: quarter acre lot you're i believe you're allowed two accessory buildings but say if you have a 30

[0:24:44] Voice 2: acre lot you're allowed to have four and so you know when you have 30 acres um but there's a lot

[0:24:51] Voice 2: of yard maintenance um or storage of tractors or whatever so the large seems to be too small

[0:24:59] Voice 2: and the small seems to be too large

[0:25:02] Voice 2: in the allocation of accessory buildings.

[0:25:05] Voice 2: So just an overall review.

[0:25:07] Voice 5: Yep.

[0:25:08] Voice 5: That's great.

[0:25:10] Voice 5: And okay, so I'm sure we could rename that

[0:25:15] Voice 5: review of lot coverage and accessory structures

[0:25:24] Voice 5: maximums or something.

[0:25:25] Voice 5: And Planner Belcher, you've got your notes from today.

[0:25:28] Voice 5: We could add to that.

[0:25:32] Voice 5: Perfect. Production of heritage structures. I am not sure where this came from.

[0:25:37] Voice 8: No. I'm not aware of us having, it's a complicated process and I'm not aware of just

[0:25:47] Voice 8: what we would do with it. It's a bit of a conundrum.

[0:25:51] Voice 2: Right.

[0:25:52] Voice 2: To me, with heritage structures, there's a lot of different things. You have heritage

[0:25:58] Voice 2: preservation which is complicated um but you also have heritage acknowledgement which is simple

[0:26:06] Voice 2: um and i think i think that we were when we were first discussing about this it was it was about

[0:26:11] Voice 2: the acknowledgement it's basically identifying heritage structures on on the island so you know

[0:26:16] Voice 2: um future owners have an awareness so you know i'm looking at this property it it means something to

[0:26:23] Voice 2: the community like we currently have um uh a building that uh in my personal case that was

[0:26:30] Voice 2: built by my great-grandfather um and it's in the process of being torn down because the person that

[0:26:35] Voice 2: bought it just didn't have any appreciation for the heritage value of that building so um i i

[0:26:44] Voice 2: believe that we were landing more on the awareness whether rather than saying you can't tear them

[0:26:49] Voice 2: down you can't do this you can't do that it was basically uh an acknowledgement and information

[0:26:54] Voice 2: process.

[0:26:56] Voice 5: Right. And so, Bruce, there was a bit of discussion at the Gabriel LTC very early in our

[0:27:06] Voice 5: term related to this because there was a request from community that the LTC have a registry or

[0:27:15] Voice 5: develop a registry of historic places. And I'll note that there are provincial and federal

[0:27:21] Voice 5: But I'm not sure, like local government heritage planning is a different sector and what those, yeah, I think there's four different types or ways that heritage can be identified or designated in your OCP.

[0:27:49] Voice 5: So that could require some work, but it's helpful to know why that was there.

[0:27:58] Voice 5: So perhaps we could just add to the notes.

[0:28:00] Voice 5: And if you have anything, like you just stated, trustee mod, heritage structures that are, you know, at risk of being demolished because people don't know that they're important.

[0:28:10] Voice 5: important there may need to be a register um held by the ltc or some other body first in order for

[0:28:19] Voice 5: that protection to be in place so so

[0:28:22] Voice 6: we'll

[0:28:24] Voice 5: leave that one on the list for now yeah yes

[0:28:30] Voice 6: yes no it's

[0:28:31] Voice 6: good well the

[0:28:33] Voice 5: final one here uh revised home occupation regulations with respect to contractor

[0:28:38] Voice 5: tractor yards it says need clarification so hopefully we can remove that little bullet what

[0:28:46] Voice 5: what needs to be and maybe warren you've got some advice here well go

[0:28:53] Voice 4: ahead

[0:28:55] Voice 2: i think where we started

[0:28:56] Voice 2: off was was um basically the the initial concept of home occupation um being limited to the the

[0:29:04] Voice 2: the landowner or the homeowner.

[0:29:11] Voice 2: Not that land can be leased out to others for home occupation.

[0:29:17] Voice 2: I think that's where we started the discussion.

[0:29:20] Voice 2: Right.

[0:29:20] Voice 2: And I'm sure that matters to

[0:29:22] Voice 2: my staff.

[0:29:25] Voice 5: Yeah, and that'll be captured in the discussion of his report, I believe.

[0:29:35] Voice 4: Right.

[0:29:37] Voice 4: Or, no, it's not in here.

[0:29:39] Voice 8: Nope, nope.

[0:29:40] Voice 8: No, it's not in there. This is a big issue.

[0:29:43] Voice 8: Oh,

[0:29:44] Voice 4: I'm sorry. Okay.

[0:29:45] Voice 8: For enforcement, it's a big problem. It's not.

[0:29:48] Voice 8: Okay.

[0:29:51] Voice 5: So this is a still to be addressed area.

[0:29:55] Voice 5: Bruce, do you need additional clarification on why this is on the list?

[0:30:01] Voice 3: Uh, yeah, like it would be helpful to have a bit just to like clean up the, um, what like the item would be for staff to work on or, or future project, what that future project would look like.

[0:30:17] Voice 8: well personally i think we need to look at how we wrote up contractors yards i think i think it's

[0:30:25] Voice 8: not i don't think it has enough material in it and we also need to come up with a proper

[0:30:31] Voice 8: definition of what a home occupation is because i think in the future that this is going to become

[0:30:38] Voice 8: become more of a commercial renting out of space for a non non-resident or non-homeowner so right

[0:30:48] Voice 8: now the way that wording is is things are classed as a home occupation but you might be renting your

[0:30:54] Voice 8: house out and we we do have one business that operates that way but at least the person renting

[0:31:00] Voice 8: the house operates the business but in the future that could switch to where that business would

[0:31:05] Voice 8: would stay, and no one related to the business would live in the house. And I don't think that's

[0:31:11] Voice 8: what the community intended under home occupation. And then the contractor's yards gets even,

[0:31:17] Voice 8: to me, much more complicated to enforce against when there are complaints. We need to be more

[0:31:22] Voice 8: specific on just what kind of a yard you can have, how much equipment, how much activity

[0:31:28] Voice 8: in a residential zone.

[0:31:33] Voice 5: That's perfect. Thank you. And I know the manager has

[0:31:37] Voice 5: plenty in their files about the bylaw enforcement and compliance activity that's been ongoing on

[0:31:46] Voice 5: that one property. So I think we could probably glean a bit from those notes. Anything else

[0:31:56] Voice 5: with respect to contractor yards and home occupation regulations? Bruce, do you have

[0:32:01] Voice 5: what you need now yep

[0:32:03] Voice 3: that's good thank you

[0:32:04] Voice 5: excellent okay so if we could have an updated

[0:32:09] Voice 5: report for uh our next ltc meeting that'll just clean it up and clarify what um why those items

[0:32:22] Voice 5: were added thank you for doing that trustees so we've got our open applications report pages 19 to

[0:32:29] Voice 5: of 20. Expenses, standing resolutions. And so without further ado, we'll come to our new business

[0:32:45] Voice 5: 15.1. Oh, I'm sorry, I skipped over chairs report and trustees report. Let's do those first.

[0:32:50] Voice 5: Too eager. Okay, so for 14.6, my chairs report. Let me turn my notes here. In the last month,

[0:33:02] Voice 5: I've attended one executive committee meeting and also the Southern Gulf Islands Forum, which is typically held once a month.

[0:33:13] Voice 5: MP Elizabeth May chaired and really the discussion focused on the province of Alberta and the federal government's signing of an agreement to introduce another pipeline project to the coast.

[0:33:35] Voice 5: And MP Elizabeth May had a lot to say about that.

[0:33:39] Voice 5: We had a very frank discussion about advocacy and the impacts for coastal communities and shoreline processes.

[0:33:52] Voice 5: And this is going to be probably a longstanding, well, it's going to be a conversation for a long time.

[0:33:57] Voice 5: So nothing really to report on, just that I attended and that was really the substance of our conversation.

[0:34:04] Voice 5: uh coming up we have committee of the whole meeting uh this week wednesday the 22nd

[0:34:10] Voice 5: which will be discussing referral feedback from other agencies on the policy draft policy

[0:34:16] Voice 5: statement uh in particular the ministry of housing and municipal affairs local government division

[0:34:22] Voice 5: gave a lot of great feedback on um on some of the draft policies so what is not included in that

[0:34:31] Voice 5: that agenda are referral responses from Indigenous governing bodies. Just for the public's

[0:34:37] Voice 5: information, staff have received formal responses from 10 out of 30 Indigenous governing bodies

[0:34:43] Voice 5: and preliminary responses from several others. But since there is still quite a lot of work to do

[0:34:51] Voice 5: to meaningfully engage with all interested Indigenous governing bodies,

[0:34:57] Voice 5: it's premature for staff to propose any recommendations to the amendment based on

[0:35:03] Voice 5: their feedback and they note that the addition of the new manager of Indigenous relations in

[0:35:09] Voice 5: hopefully short order mid-2026 will add capacity to the team and support more respectful and

[0:35:15] Voice 5: responsive relationships so that work is going to continue into next term of course

[0:35:20] Voice 5: but there is a committee the whole meeting on wednesday if people want to tune in and then

[0:35:27] Voice 5: finally there's a island stress conservancy meeting on the 27th followed by an itc executive

[0:35:33] Voice 5: committee liaison meeting on the 28th so that's our annual meeting where we have two hours to

[0:35:39] Voice 5: discuss sort of joint operation considerations and budget and important elements like that that

[0:35:48] Voice 5: that we wouldn't typically address in a trust council.

[0:35:52] Voice 5: So that's on July 27th.

[0:35:54] Voice 5: That's it for my report.

[0:35:57] Voice 5: Trustees, who would like to go first for your reports?

[0:36:02] Voice 5: Jump in there.

[0:36:04] Voice 2: Anyway.

[0:36:04] Voice 2: I'll jump in.

[0:36:06] Voice 2: Yeah, unfortunately I missed the Southern Gulf Islands Forum

[0:36:10] Voice 2: because I had a double conflict

[0:36:11] Voice 2: of North Pender Local Trust Committee meeting.

[0:36:14] Voice 2: And also I was on the road up to Denman for a Saturday

[0:36:17] Voice 2: meeting so i i haven't missed many of those but i sadly had to miss that one so that was

[0:36:24] Voice 2: unfortunate um last couple of weeks have just been very very busy on island uh this past week we had

[0:36:29] Voice 2: um the island car show and the quilters um i believe every four years they have a great big

[0:36:36] Voice 2: show on uh main island what was i told there were 184 quilts i think was the number on display this

[0:36:43] Voice 2: weekend so well done um the island continues to be busy and happy and producing deer

[0:36:51] Voice 2: oh gosh

[0:36:56] Voice 5: if there's one thing maine does well it's report out on the

[0:37:00] Voice 5: tragic state of fallow deer for the

[0:37:02] Voice 5: minutes because i want to make sure that every single

[0:37:05] Voice 5: meeting.

[0:37:08] Voice 6: I will

[0:37:09] Voice 8: report that I was at the fallow deer society meeting this morning at nine o'clock

[0:37:16] Voice 8: and there are new hunting regs that have come out and within the hunting regs there is going to be

[0:37:21] Voice 8: a process whereby a rifle allowed rifles once more on a limited basis with a lot of controls

[0:37:30] Voice 8: We're still working on how that program will happen.

[0:37:33] Voice 8: A lot of concern for hunters has been once the rifle's permits were removed, it does make it much more challenging.

[0:37:42] Voice 8: So we're looking to see those come back, but on a very limited basis with only specific properties being allowed to have hunters with rifles.

[0:37:53] Voice 8: So we're still chugging away at the fallow deer conversation.

[0:37:57] Voice 8: conversation um we think we may be getting permission for some trapping and a few more

[0:38:02] Voice 8: concerted efforts but no no funding from anyone at the provincial level a little maybe some support

[0:38:08] Voice 8: coming from crd from a grant and aid but no real concrete elimination of the fallow but we haven't

[0:38:16] Voice 8: given up we haven't forgotten um and then as the other event that was held in the last month was

[0:38:22] Voice 8: was the church fair which was on the 11th of july just kind of to me the after the music festival

[0:38:28] Voice 8: the next big event was the church church fair that's a fundraiser to maintain the heritage

[0:38:33] Voice 8: church that we have we're lucky to have it beautiful building and the uh and the old

[0:38:39] Voice 8: vicarage that's there that's used for many many community events so it very successful uh they

[0:38:46] Voice 8: did financially did very really well so those are the two major events that uh that have been

[0:38:51] Voice 8: happening now that's that's it for me i'm looking forward to august and no meetings maybe almost i

[0:39:00] Voice 8: think we have one oh i know i have the committee i

[0:39:02] Voice 8: know nine nine o'clock wednesday morning i'm

[0:39:05] Voice 8: going oh no

[0:39:06] Voice 4: i know i know yeah

[0:39:08] Voice 8: but i said i'd be there all

[0:39:10] Voice 5: right thank you thank you for those

[0:39:12] Voice 5: reports trustees uh appreciate as always your engagement and community matters i know it

[0:39:18] Voice 5: it really is uh important that people see you out and about and connecting all these different

[0:39:24] Voice 5: issues that are not necessarily land use but important nonetheless oh

[0:39:29] Voice 8: yeah i was gonna just

[0:39:31] Voice 8: at my fellow meeting one of the questions was well what about the islands trust and i thought well

[0:39:36] Voice 8: they can write you lots of letters of support and they did do the webinar so that's right but

[0:39:42] Voice 8: we're very limited in what we actually can accomplish as far as the ballot though that is

[0:39:48] Voice 4: true yep

[0:39:51] Voice 5: working with other agencies is absolutely necessary to uphold the mandate okay so now i will

[0:40:01] Voice 5: turn over to manager dingman to introduce your report uh there's a proposed amended main land

[0:40:09] Voice 5: 90s Committee By-law, Compliance and Enforcement Policy.

[0:40:14] Voice 5: Over to you, Warren.

[0:40:15] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): Thank you, Chair.

[0:40:17] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): So I prepared a staff report that summarizes the proposed changes.

[0:40:26] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): The original document was adopted in November 2024,

[0:40:32] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): and to date there have been no amendments.

[0:40:35] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): But staff are now recommending amendments that will assist by-law officers

[0:40:40] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): addressing community concerns about storage of derelict vehicles, storage of waste on

[0:40:44] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): southerly premises, and residential uses on non-residential properties.

[0:40:50] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): I'll also note that before I get into the proposed amendments, the screening officer

[0:40:56] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): policy in Part B has been amended to allow the regional planning manager to screen all

[0:41:00] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): by-law violation notices issued by all by-law officers, including the manager.

[0:41:05] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): This will address concerns of bias when constituents believe that the manager has been involved

[0:41:10] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): in the decision to issue a bylaw violation notice and then is required to act as screening officer

[0:41:15] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): for disputed violation. I have listed the proposed amendments and also highlighted them within the

[0:41:22] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): document itself in yellow. So the first proposal is to add 4.33, the unlawful dwelling is located

[0:41:32] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): in a non-residential zone, meaning enforcement can proceed in that circumstance. 4.5,

[0:41:40] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): 5. Enforcement of violations related to disposal or storage of waste or recyclable materials or storage of vehicles, derelict vehicles, or vehicle parts is authorized without a written complaint.

[0:41:51] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): So this means that bylaw officers can proactively enforce against these issues.

[0:41:57] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): Addition of 4.6.

[0:41:59] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): Unsightly premises will be reported to the Capital Regional District Bylaw Enforcement Department if they're observed.

[0:42:07] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): 5.2, bylaw enforcement officers will request a mutual agreeable time to arrange site inspections

[0:42:14] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): and provide a minimum of seven days notice despite Section 2.3 of the LUB.

[0:42:21] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): So this would be a change from the 14 days to seven days.

[0:42:26] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): David Worthington has concerns about scheduling site visits, so he believes seven days should be sufficient.

[0:42:34] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): 5.3, in compliance with the Trust Council by-law compliance and enforcement policy 5.1, investigations will focus on the specific alleged by-law contravention outlined in the complaint unless other observations pose an immediate risk to public health and safety or the environment.

[0:42:50] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): And then I've already referenced in Part B, the regional planning manager being able to act as a screen officer for any disputed by-law notice.

[0:43:01] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): So the staff are presenting amendments to the current by-law compliance and enforcement policy that are intended to address current compliance and enforcement issues on Maine Island and to improve the overall effectiveness of by-law compliance and enforcement efforts.

[0:43:21] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): efforts. The recommended motion before you is that the Main Island Local Trust Committee

[0:43:27] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): adopt the amended Main Island Local Trust Committee by-law compliance and enforcement

[0:43:32] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): policy, but you do have alternative options and simply is that you can direct staff to

[0:43:40] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): proceed with no further work on the policy document. So are there any questions, Chair?

[0:43:47] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): Chair.

[0:43:51] Voice 5: Thank you so much for that report, Warren. I'll turn to trustees first and see if you have

[0:44:00] Voice 5: any questions or want to discuss the proposed changes one by one. Go ahead.

[0:44:07] Voice 2: Thank you, Chair.

[0:44:09] Voice 2: I guess a small smile. I will note that we just finished Saterna extending the notification period

[0:44:15] Voice 2: to 30 days. And on Maine, we're going down to seven, which is, I think, one more example that

[0:44:22] Voice 2: points to how islands are unique in the way that they do things. And what works for one island

[0:44:28] Voice 2: doesn't necessarily work for another. And so that makes me smile. My only consideration that I would

[0:44:35] Voice 2: like to make on page 27, where the proposed amendments are laid out, number two, 4.5,

[0:44:43] Voice 2: enforcement on violations related to disposal or storage of waste

[0:44:47] Voice 2: or recycled materials. I just

[0:44:52] Voice 2: think that there's an ability to have a broad interpretation on that, and

[0:44:56] Voice 2: I would be more comfortable if we left that

[0:45:00] Voice 2: particular section, which is the disposal or storage of waste or recycled

[0:45:04] Voice 2: materials, back to the normal

[0:45:08] Voice 2: compliance model where somebody makes a complaint because we definitely hear the complaints

[0:45:12] Voice 2: and we so there's no lack of complaints for that that consideration um and i i think that that one

[0:45:19] Voice 2: safely is covered off how we do things safe uh currently um the going on the storage of vehicles

[0:45:26] Voice 2: derelict vehicles or vehicle parts um that is our concern um uh particularly there's there's

[0:45:32] Voice 2: a bit of a fear concern there so um i'm comfortable with 4.5 if we could consider

[0:45:39] Voice 2: that are just removing the components of disposals or storage of waste or recyclable materials.

[0:45:45] Voice 2: That's about it. Other than that, I think this is outstanding. You've given us more than what

[0:45:49] Voice 2: we asked for. It's well thought out, well reasoned, and I do appreciate the work. Thank you.

[0:45:57] Voice 5: Thank you. Manager Dingman, any reflections, or should we go to Trustee Dodds?

[0:46:05] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): No, I think that's more than fair. If you just want to limit it to vehicles,

[0:46:08] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): particles, it's up to the LTC to do that.

[0:46:11] Voice 8: Okay. So that's one consideration. Trustee Dodds,

[0:46:15] Voice 8: go ahead. So that particular one, 4.5, I think we have no lack of complaints. And I think

[0:46:22] Voice 8: anybody who complains specifically to myself is told to make a formal written complaint.

[0:46:28] Voice 8: And I think that that's one that is extremely hard, as we know with the current case that

[0:46:35] Voice 8: we're dealing with extremely hard to clean up anyways so to go out there and actually find more

[0:46:41] Voice 8: of those um problems which i think you'll find i think some properties the neighbors don't complain

[0:46:47] Voice 8: about because depending upon where the property is the size of property who the person is um so i

[0:46:53] Voice 8: think we don't we don't need to have the written complaint component to the uh those enforced those

[0:47:00] Voice 8: particular enforcements on uh basically uh derelict vehicles and uh waste etc um i think we

[0:47:09] Voice 8: say i think we're well served by the population who will quickly report

[0:47:12] Voice 8: when there are problems so i think that could come off of there that's 4.5

[0:47:19] Voice 2: so what i was trying to address was 4.5 just the initial part the disposable storage of waste or

[0:47:25] Voice 2: recycled materials i'm supportive of the proactive on the storage of vehicles derelict vehicles or

[0:47:31] Voice 2: vehicle parts oh

[0:47:32] Voice 8: okay oh i get your point yes yes yes yes yes no no and i should yeah and i

[0:47:36] Voice 8: should be more specific because often yeah yeah no or the storage of waste shouldn't should should

[0:47:42] Voice 8: definitely be enforced against without a complaint yes so i agree with how david worded it to me it's

[0:47:49] Voice 8: two separate parts here and that one piece should go

[0:47:52] Voice 5: okay so should we separate out

[0:47:55] Voice 5: the policy 4.5 and treat the first part waste and recyclable materials differently than

[0:48:03] Voice 5: vehicles yes yes

[0:48:06] Voice 5: yes

[0:48:07] Voice 8: because we have lots of we have lots of collectibles that that that i can

[0:48:12] Voice 8: think of many properties who have collectibles that that would that don't impact impact their

[0:48:18] Voice 8: neighbors at all but waste and recyclable materials are real fire hazards and and rat

[0:48:25] Voice 8: concerns etc right

[0:48:27] Voice 5: okay so Warren do you need a resolution because it sounds like there's agreement

[0:48:31] Voice 5: that policy 4.5 after recyclable materials should be is authorized without a written complaint

[0:48:40] Voice 5: and then a new policy enforcement on storage of vehicles and did you want derelict vehicles and

[0:48:47] Voice 5: vehicle parts or not um is not off

[0:48:54] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): here i think the ltc should basically rephrase eliminate which

[0:48:59] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): phrases it wants removed yeah

[0:49:01] Voice 2: okay so do you want a motion warren or do you how do you want to handle

[0:49:07] Voice 2: what

[0:49:08] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): we can do is i can bring this back and rewrite it or you can uh rewrite this 4.5

[0:49:15] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): by eliminating the language that you don't believe is necessary?

[0:49:21] Voice 2: The language that I would like to see removed

[0:49:25] Voice 2: would be disposal or storage of waste or recycled materials.

[0:49:33] Voice 2: You want that to be removed?

[0:49:36] Voice 2: Removed.

[0:49:38] Voice 2: So that section is based on complaints from neighbours

[0:49:43] Voice 2: or elsewise in the community.

[0:49:45] Voice 2: The proactive enforcement would be on the storage of vehicles, derelict vehicles, or vehicle parts.

[0:49:51] Voice 2: Okay.

[0:49:53] Voice 5: I'm hearing something different.

[0:49:55] Voice 5: It is a bit confusing.

[0:49:57] Voice 5: From Trustee Dodds, who, unless I heard you incorrectly, that you're thinking we don't need a written complaint for violations related to disposal of storage of waste or recyclable materials.

[0:50:14] Voice 5: No,

[0:50:14] Voice 8: I think we only need, we don't need, I need my pen and paper.

[0:50:22] Voice 5: Oh, I got it.

[0:50:23] Voice 5: Okay,

[0:50:23] Voice 8: so 4.5

[0:50:24] Voice 5: would read, enforcement of violations related to disposal or storage of waste or recycled materials is authorized without a written complaint.

[0:50:32] Voice 8: Yes.

[0:50:33] Voice 5: Good.

[0:50:33] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:50:34] Voice 5: So let's amend that policy and add a new policy, 4.5 or 6.

[0:50:44] Voice 5: And what is this related to, Trustee Mudd?

[0:50:48] Voice 2: Okay, because unfortunately, Trustee Dodds and I are opposite ends.

[0:50:53] Voice 2: Oh, God.

[0:50:54] Voice 2: Because I'm saying that the disposal storage of waste recycling materials

[0:51:02] Voice 2: remain as per policy by written complaint.

[0:51:05] Voice 2: Yes. And

[0:51:06] Voice 8: I said that was my intention, too.

[0:51:08] Voice 2: Yeah. Yes.

[0:51:10] Voice 2: Yeah.

[0:51:11] Voice 2: Yes.

[0:51:11] Voice 8: It's the storage of vehicles, derelict vehicles and vehicle parts that needs to have a written complaint.

[0:51:18] Voice 2: Yeah. So that's exactly what I'm saying.

[0:51:20] Voice 2: Without a written complaint.

[0:51:22] Voice 2: To me, the vehicles, derelict vehicles and vehicle parts needs to be without a written complaint.

[0:51:27] Voice 6: Right. Right.

[0:51:27] Voice 2: Because that enables violent enforcement to do their good work.

[0:51:32] Voice 2: But I don't feel the disposal of storage of waste or recycled materials needs that proactive action.

[0:51:39] Voice 8: Oh, OK. OK.

[0:51:42] Voice 5: Well, it's good we've got a difference of opinion.

[0:51:45] Voice 5: The manager can bring back these two options.

[0:51:50] Voice 5: Or we can decide now like what's, you know, one of

[0:51:56] Voice 5: you has a view that one issue should be proactive and one.

[0:52:02] Voice 5: And so we've got different views.

[0:52:05] Voice 5: Do you want to have this come back?

[0:52:09] Voice 5: Because violation of storage or have more conversation in the community,

[0:52:20] Voice 5: like which one is the greater problem?

[0:52:24] Voice 2: Yeah, because the original part of this is that we have one particular area

[0:52:30] Voice 2: on the island where that has got an issue with vehicles,

[0:52:36] Voice 2: derelict vehicles, vehicle parts.

[0:52:38] Voice 2: and there are people who are afraid to make complaints about that

[0:52:41] Voice 6: okay well

[0:52:43] Voice 2: that's how we

[0:52:43] Voice 2: started the conversation so that's why i kind of been driving that

[0:52:46] Voice 8: so i get it now i so we're the

[0:52:50] Voice 8: it's the storage of vehicles etc that should be acted on without a written complaint yeah

[0:52:57] Voice 8: because it's the the storage of waste we will get the complaints without any problems so okay

[0:53:03] Voice 8: Okay, so I'm agreeing with David, didn't mean to find it quite confusing.

[0:53:07] Voice 8: So either David needs to make a complete motion and rewrite 4.5, and then I'd be glad to second it.

[0:53:16] Voice 8: See, if we were in a trust council meeting, we'd have it on a screen.

[0:53:21] Voice 5: Yeah.

[0:53:23] Voice 5: Unless, Lisa, you can help us with this, because I'm sure you're-

[0:53:27] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): Well, Charlie, you've provided it in the chat.

[0:53:30] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): I

[0:53:30] Voice 5: think it's opposite, though, to what they have now.

[0:53:33] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): No, you've provided one in there that's 4.6.

[0:53:36] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): They can still

[0:53:37] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): say it's 4.5, but it would read enforcement on violations on vehicles, sterile vehicles or vehicle parts is authorized by without your written complaints.

[0:53:49] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): Right.

[0:53:49] Voice 8: Yeah.

[0:53:50] Voice 5: So that's right.

[0:53:52] Voice 5: so it'll be switching is authorized without a written complaint and the 4.5 is authorized

[0:54:00] Voice 5: through a written complaint so

[0:54:04] Voice 2: we don't we don't with the written complaint is already standing so

[0:54:06] Voice 2: we don't need to address that i would just need to make a motion

[0:54:09] Voice 6: which um

[0:54:10] Voice 2: i move um that uh the

[0:54:14] Voice 2: proposed amendments uh listed under subsection two four point five um be changed to enforcement

[0:54:22] Voice 2: on violations on vehicles derelict vehicles or vehicle parts is authorized

[0:54:29] Voice 2: by written complaint again

[0:54:40] Voice 5: I thought that was the opposite of you and I did

[0:54:43] Voice 5: too oh my god what have i done now it's really confusing

[0:54:48] Voice 2: yeah see this is i'm yeah thank you so

[0:54:51] Voice 2: much so i will withdraw that

[0:54:52] Voice 5: i had written them yeah yeah so enforcement

[0:54:57] Voice 5: lisa's gonna save us

[0:54:59] Voice 5: here just pause let's pause here we go this is difficult all right

[0:55:05] Voice 4: thank

[0:55:07] Voice 2: goodness we have many

[0:55:08] Voice 2: many eyes on this and not just one brain because we've managed to confuse each other all over the

[0:55:14] Voice 2: place

[0:55:14] Voice 5: okay so let's just pause and give this a chance to catch up here and thank you so much

[0:55:22] Voice 5: minute taker subsection 2 4.5 change to related to and it should be disposal or storage of vehicles

[0:55:41] Voice 5: vehicles derelict vehicles or vehicle parts is authorized without a written complaint right

[0:55:48] Voice 8: yes of

[0:55:52] Voice 5: course one disposal or storage of vehicles derelict vehicles that's it

[0:56:06] Voice 5: is what does it say is authorized without a written complaint

[0:56:11] Voice 8: we're just removing storage

[0:56:15] Voice 8: of waste or recyclable materials if we could cross that line off on my yeah

[0:56:20] Voice 5: we're just back

[0:56:21] Voice 5: to where david had originally started so yeah it took us a long way to get here oh it's looking

[0:56:27] Voice 5: good

[0:56:27] Voice 2: is

[0:56:29] Voice 5: that the the the resolution you wanted there trusty mon i

[0:56:34] Voice 2: believe so and i will just

[0:56:37] Voice 2: defer over to manager dingman to make sure it makes sense to him

[0:56:43] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): i believe

[0:56:44] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): it should say 4.5 should now state enforcement on violations related

[0:56:48] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): to the storage of vehicles, derelict vehicles or vehicle parts is authorized without a written

[0:56:53] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): complaint. That's the way I believe it should read now.

[0:56:58] Voice 5: To the storage, not disposal. So the

[0:57:01] Voice 5: storage.

[0:57:02] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): Yeah, disposal can go.

[0:57:04] Voice 5: Okay. And should we not refer to the bylaw compliance and enforcement

[0:57:08] Voice 5: policy proposed amendment to bylaw enforcement and compliance policy listed under subsection two?

[0:57:36] Voice 5: okay one satisfied with that it's okay sausage

[0:57:45] Voice 2: has been made thank

[0:57:46] Voice 5: you well we got time to spend

[0:57:50] Voice 5: on this so it's fine if you want to read that out again david and then we'll it will be a pleasure

[0:57:55] Voice 2: to move uh the proposed amendment to the main island bylaw compliance and enforcement policy

[0:58:02] Voice 2: listed under subsection 2 4.5 be changed to enforcement on violations related to the storage

[0:58:08] Voice 2: of vehicles derelict vehicles or vehicle parts is authorized without a written complaint and i'll

[0:58:14] Voice 5: second that moved and seconded any discussion all right all those in favor raise your hand or say

[0:58:22] Voice 5: aye that is carried thank you so back to the question of storage of waste or recyclable

[0:58:30] Voice 5: materials is that a concern that should be addressed through written complaints or we

[0:58:39] Voice 5: We just leave it because people will complain.

[0:58:43] Voice 2: People

[0:58:43] Voice 5: will complain.

[0:58:45] Voice 2: It is, and that's the current policy is by written complaint.

[0:58:49] Voice 5: Great.

[0:58:51] Voice 5: And so is there any debate on unsightly premises, the 4.6?

[0:58:56] Voice 4: No.

[0:58:58] Voice 4: 5

[0:58:58] Voice 5: .2 is good.

[0:59:00] Voice 5: 5.3 and Part 6 or Part B, Regional Planning Manager,

[0:59:08] Voice 5: the rest of that's good?

[0:59:12] Voice 5: okay so do you want to somebody want to move the motion to adopt the amended policy as amended

[0:59:20] Voice 5: or to adopt the amended policy as discussed perhaps uh

[0:59:25] Voice 2: what would be the appropriate word

[0:59:26] Voice 2: actually

[0:59:27] Voice 5: no as we've already made the resolution so just say as amended because we made the

[0:59:31] Voice 5: amendment since meeting thank you yeah

[0:59:33] Voice 2: no i'm pleased to make the motion once again just want

[0:59:35] Voice 2: to acknowledge that um the manager dingman has gone above and beyond what we asked for um he's

[0:59:42] Voice 2: brought in some other um things that we've not considered which are common sense so i do

[0:59:46] Voice 2: appreciate that extra effort so i will move that the mainland local trust committee adopt the

[0:59:50] Voice 2: the amended Maine Island Local Trust Committee

[0:59:53] Voice 2: bylaw compliance and enforcement policy as amended.

[0:59:57] Voice 5: Seconded.

[0:59:59] Voice 5: Great.

[1:00:00] Voice 5: moved and seconded. Any discussion? I also give my thanks to Manager Dingman. This is great. And

[1:00:07] Voice 5: I hope that this continues back for amendments, because I'm sure there's always going to be

[1:00:13] Voice 5: tweaks. All those in favor, raise your hand or say aye. That is carried. Thank you. Thanks so

[1:00:22] Voice 5: so much warren you're welcome

[1:00:23] Voice 5: and um wish you well on your work for the summer and uh

[1:00:29] Voice 5: we shall carry on okay so we've got section 16 uh to discuss our next upcoming meeting

[1:00:41] Voice 5: um it is scheduled for august 31st in person at the main island agricultural hall

[1:00:47] Voice 5: all. Planner Belcher, do we have any idea what's on the agenda? Is this going to be

[1:00:54] Voice 5: something of substance? Should we pivot to a, gosh, I hate that term. Should we change

[1:01:02] Voice 5: to an electronic meeting or do you want to keep this one in person, seeing as it's the last?

[1:01:09] Voice 3: I don't think there's really too much on the agenda, but there's a potential for a

[1:01:15] Voice 3: a variance application i believe um and potentially a preliminary rezoning but we

[1:01:26] Voice 3: haven't seen that application yet so i think it's up to the trustees if you want to keep that in

[1:01:32] Voice 3: person or yeah well

[1:01:35] Voice 8: i i'm happy to have in person because i'm here but it's august we don't

[1:01:40] Voice 8: traditionally have a meeting in august i'm just thinking ferries and travel it's not

[1:01:46] Voice 8: not the best

[1:01:46] Voice 8: the time to be traveling um so i and and and if we have a variance application sometimes it's

[1:01:53] Voice 8: actually easier for the applicant to attend by a zoom than it is to make a trip over on that

[1:01:59] Voice 8: you know that's a friday oh no sorry that's it's a monday but still traveling on the ferry if you're

[1:02:05] Voice 8: coming from the mainland can be quite challenging to get on that ferry so i suggest we do it as a

[1:02:11] Voice 8: as a meeting.

[1:02:14] Voice 2: Can I ask, Lisa, I believe this will be the last meeting

[1:02:18] Voice 2: of the local trust committee because we're not supposed to be having September-October meetings.

[1:02:23] Voice 7: That is correct, Trustee Dodds, and that is why you have the meeting

[1:02:27] Voice 7: in August. Right. Okay.

[1:02:31] Voice 5: So we change the location to electronic then?

[1:02:35] Voice 5: By general consent? Yes.

[1:02:37] Voice 5: Everyone good with that?

[1:02:39] Voice 5: Yeah,

[1:02:39] Voice 8: sorry. Sorry to not have a last.

[1:02:45] Voice 5: i'm coming to south bender on uh the 28th actually so maybe i'll stay around and do a

[1:02:53] Voice 5: little tour and drop in on maine on a non-work day that

[1:02:57] Voice 8: would be that would be a treat i would

[1:02:59] Voice 5: love that yeah let's see okay so our next regular meeting is scheduled for august 31st 2026

[1:03:06] Voice 5: electronically

[1:03:09] Voice 5: unless Lisa do you need a resolution

[1:03:11] Voice 5: for the records or

[1:03:12] Voice 5: is that okay

[1:03:14] Voice 5: I

[1:03:17] Voice 7: would ask

[1:03:18] Voice 7: if a resolution is required

[1:03:22] Voice 7: okay

[1:03:25] Voice 3: yeah I think you can just do

[1:03:27] Voice 3: a resolution

[1:03:27] Voice 3: I

[1:03:30] Voice 8: move that we hold the

[1:03:32] Voice 8: next Main Island Local Trust

[1:03:34] Voice 8: Committee meeting of August

[1:03:36] Voice 8: the 31st

[1:03:37] Voice 8: 2026 electronically

[1:03:39] Voice 8: electronically.

[1:03:40] Voice 5: Excellent. Move. Do I have a seconder? I'll second. Seconded by Trustee Maude.

[1:03:45] Voice 5: Any discussion? All those in favor, raise your hands or say aye. And that is carried. Thank you.

[1:03:54] Voice 2: Unfortunately, we've lost Manager Dingman because I did have a question for him as to whether or

[1:03:59] Voice 2: not he needed any further motions to support his work, but I guess we'll have to defer that until

[1:04:06] Voice 2: until the August meeting.

[1:04:08] Voice 5: Oh, what kind of motions were you thinking of?

[1:04:11] Voice 2: Well, he advised us of the outcome of a court case

[1:04:15] Voice 2: and he was perhaps deeming to be authorized

[1:04:19] Voice 2: for further cost recoveries and cleanups.

[1:04:23] Voice 5: Oh, wouldn't that come

[1:04:24] Voice 2: through a second committee?

[1:04:26] Voice 2: Yeah.

[1:04:27] Voice 5: I don't think it would come through this.

[1:04:30] Voice 5: Let

[1:04:30] Voice 4: me just double check.

[1:04:38] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:04:38] Voice 5: Okay. Yeah, I think it's a 60-day waiting period, so I don't

[1:04:47] Voice 5: think we can proactively do anything at this point.

[1:04:51] Voice 8: No, nothing within 60 days.

[1:04:53] Voice 4: Yeah,

[1:04:53] Voice 2: but I just didn't know if you needed an empowering motion in advance of that 60-day, because we won't be meeting again.

[1:05:01] Voice 4: Oh, okay.

[1:05:02] Voice 2: I was just trying to get ahead of the game rather than be behind it,

[1:05:05] Voice 4: but

[1:05:07] Voice 2: he's not available, so we'll have to wait until the end of August.

[1:05:12] Voice 5: Yeah, but my understanding is that this would be, yeah, this is going to be a long time before the LTC would be asked for, I think it'd be into the next term, because this period is for 60 days. So it's, I don't think a proactive, because you don't want to proactively decide something when the action hasn't been taken, you know?

[1:05:38] Voice 5: that

[1:05:38] Voice 2: was my question for for what managed england because because if we don't deal with it in august

[1:05:43] Voice 2: it won't be dealt with till january okay

[1:05:47] Voice 5: well i'm sure he can bring this back in august if that's a

[1:05:50] Voice 5: question yeah all right excellent so with that our next meeting is scheduled for august 31st

[1:06:00] Voice 5: 2026 electronically

[1:06:02] Voice 5: as we've just discussed

[1:06:04] Voice 5: there is no closed meeting

[1:06:06] Voice 5: for today

[1:06:07] Voice 5: so if there is no other business

[1:06:10] Voice 5: before us I'll call for adjournment

[1:06:14] Voice 5: alrighty

[1:06:15] Voice 5: so moved

[1:06:16] Voice 5: seconded

[1:06:18] Voice 5: wanna yep

[1:06:20] Voice 5: wave our hands and say goodbye

[1:06:22] Voice 5: thank you

[1:06:24] Voice 5: bye

[1:06:25] Voice 5: bye bye

[1:06:28] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement (probable): bye