Denman LTC regular meeting, 24 August 2026

[0:00:09] Chair Maude (probable): all right everybody we have arrived at denman island once again thank you guys very much for

[0:00:18] Chair Maude (probable): arriving promptly and

[0:00:21] Chair Maude (probable): finding c-suite stores and see some fun if you want them

[0:00:25] Chair Maude (probable): um we have again another full house on main on denman island so i thank you all for joining

[0:00:33] Chair Maude (probable): us today for this this regular meeting of the denman island local trust committee i want to

[0:00:38] Chair Maude (probable): begin the meeting by acknowledging that we should be able to gather today in locations across the

[0:00:42] Chair Maude (probable): territory of the coast salish people i'm david bod elected on main island and i'm chair of the

[0:00:47] Chair Maude (probable): Debris Isle Local Trust Committee. Joined today by your two local trustees David

[0:00:54] Chair Maude (probable): Graham and Sam

[0:00:55] Chair Maude (probable): Borthwick. Together we make up the Debris Isle Local Trust Committee. We have several staff

[0:01:02] Chair Maude (probable): members joining us today. Can

[0:01:03] Voice 12: you speak a little bit to

[0:01:05] Chair Maude (probable): our very last guest? Okay so we have

[0:01:08] Chair Maude (probable): so we have uh uh marlis mccarter our island um planner um joining us today um

[0:01:19] Chair Maude (probable): you have the greatest name marcus

[0:01:21] Chair Maude (probable): i have to learn how to get that right um we we have um um a planner nurse

[0:01:32] Chair Maude (probable): joining us online from victoria we have our director of planning services so stephen cervick

[0:01:40] Chair Maude (probable): is joining us today we also have our file enforcement manager warren dingman joining us

[0:01:46] Chair Maude (probable): today online and of course we have the the great and magnificent lisa large who is our recording

[0:01:52] Chair Maude (probable): secretary and our zoom master who makes all electronic meetings work so smoothly for us so

[0:01:58] Chair Maude (probable): So we very much appreciate her remote work.

[0:02:02] Chair Maude (probable): So this meeting is an official forum for your local trust committee to make decisions about land use and planning matters and discuss relevant business.

[0:02:10] Chair Maude (probable): I want to add that this is employment. Our staff have the right to a safe and respectful workplace.

[0:02:17] Chair Maude (probable): So we have many, many people here today.

[0:02:20] Chair Maude (probable): day. So we're going to, when

[0:02:22] Chair Maude (probable): we get into the town hall, we'll hopefully get everybody to

[0:02:27] Chair Maude (probable): able to speak and I'll go through the rules at that time when we get there. So we have

[0:02:32] Chair Maude (probable): an agenda for us. Any additions, any concerns with the agenda? So by general consent, we

[0:02:38] Chair Maude (probable): can adopt the agenda. So we have a rise report. We've had an in-camera meeting last time we

[0:02:44] Chair Maude (probable): met so during the june 23rd 2026 in-camera meeting the demo now local trust body adopt the main 12

[0:02:51] Chair Maude (probable): in-camera minutes and that was the excitement for that um so we have trustee reports so which

[0:02:58] Chair Maude (probable): trustee wishes to report no i didn't um

[0:03:02] Chair Maude (probable): yeah i mean we're this is technically uh this is

[0:03:08] Chair Maude (probable): formally our last ltc meeting we have a special meeting next month but this is technically our

[0:03:13] Chair Maude (probable): last LTC meeting of the term. It's been a very interesting four years. It's been a very

[0:03:21] Chair Maude (probable): exciting last couple of months, as I'm sure everyone is aware. We've not had any major

[0:03:29] Chair Maude (probable): – we've had a couple of committee meetings between here and now, between this meeting

[0:03:34] Chair Maude (probable): and the last meeting, but nothing particularly exciting. We're largely wrapping up work

[0:03:37] Chair Maude (probable): for the term. I've been involved with the trustee onboarding process, so trying to improve

[0:03:44] Chair Maude (probable): the process for new trustees and for candidates who are planning to stand in the next election.

[0:03:50] Chair Maude (probable): So it's been really great to work with staff. Certainly my experience of onboarding as a trustee

[0:03:55] Chair Maude (probable): was that the resources were not great. So I've been really pleased

[0:04:01] Chair Maude (probable): to be a part of trying to

[0:04:02] Chair Maude (probable): improve that process for people who are planning to stand in the next election.

[0:04:08] Chair Maude (probable): I am planning to stand in the next election. I'm not going to

[0:04:11] Chair Maude (probable): dwell on that because I'm not

[0:04:12] Chair Maude (probable): supposed to do that during trust time but a lot of people ask and a lot of you are here um and

[0:04:20] Chair Maude (probable): yeah i think i mean obviously there's a lot of things that are going on um i'm very keenly aware

[0:04:25] Chair Maude (probable): i think all of all three of us are very keenly aware of a lot of things going on and we

[0:04:29] Chair Maude (probable): look forward to moving through some of that business today and seeing where we end up

[0:04:35] Chair Maude (probable): thank you Sam great

[0:04:40] Trustee Graham: well as Sam said this is our last uh formal meeting of the Department of

[0:04:45] Trustee Graham: Trust Committee and it gives me an opportunity to to make some comments and to thank some people

[0:04:50] Trustee Graham: that have made the last four years quite enjoyable and interesting so I want to thank first of all

[0:04:55] Trustee Graham: my co-trustee Sam Horthwick for bringing his youthful exuberance his perspectives which have

[0:05:01] Trustee Graham: certainly lacking at this table for many many terms um young engaged a renter and uh yeah i

[0:05:10] Trustee Graham: think that's important that we have a diverse group of people making these decisions uh with

[0:05:15] Trustee Graham: the support of our community i want to thank our chair david mott who has made he's gone out of his

[0:05:21] Trustee Graham: way to make our community welcome to these meetings and i appreciate the fact that the

[0:05:26] Trustee Graham: the last couple of meetings we could have used a building a larger building we get that maybe

[0:05:31] Trustee Graham: next term that will happen but um david has really uh made it very comfortable for people to

[0:05:39] Trustee Graham: speak to the local trust committee to voice their concerns in a safe environment and that's so

[0:05:45] Trustee Graham: important um and safe for the staff too which is very important speaking of which i want to thank

[0:05:51] Trustee Graham: Thank our dev and planner, Marlis McCarter.

[0:05:54] Trustee Graham: I sent her so many, I forwarded emails that many of you have sent me with technical questions.

[0:06:00] Trustee Graham: And as a trustee, we're not really supposed to be answering technical questions because

[0:06:04] Trustee Graham: we have a pretty good idea of how our bylaws and our policies work, but we're not the experts.

[0:06:09] Trustee Graham: And Marlis provides that expert opinion, and she's really quick with making those replies

[0:06:15] Trustee Graham: back to you.

[0:06:16] Trustee Graham: And I appreciate that.

[0:06:16] Trustee Graham: Thank you.

[0:06:17] Trustee Graham: and Margo has taken on one of the largest rezoning files that we have

[0:06:22] Trustee Graham: and that's been a lot of work for her for the last couple of years.

[0:06:25] Trustee Graham: And there are other members of the staff that have helped support the decisions

[0:06:29] Trustee Graham: of the Devon Local Trust Committee and helped Sam and David and I make informed decisions.

[0:06:34] Trustee Graham: We don't always please everybody and sometimes we can please everybody,

[0:06:39] Trustee Graham: but this is the role that we've taken on.

[0:06:43] Trustee Graham: As I wrote in my flagstone, which will come out in September,

[0:06:46] Trustee Graham: there's many days when I wished I was sitting on that side of the table

[0:06:50] Trustee Graham: and looking at a group of people who have taken on the role and brought my

[0:06:54] Trustee Graham: concerns, but I won't be here anymore. I'm not running again.

[0:06:59] Trustee Graham: I will be joining the audience and the gallery and that'll be fun.

[0:07:03] Trustee Graham: More fun for me, I think. Other than that,

[0:07:07] Trustee Graham: I've enjoyed working with the housing review.

[0:07:11] Trustee Graham: That's really why I ran. And, you know, again,

[0:07:15] Trustee Graham: Again, we've done our best to balance the respect and protection of the environment

[0:07:21] Trustee Graham: with also looking at a more representative community based on income, style.

[0:07:31] Trustee Graham: I don't like the word class, but I mean, when I came here, I was working class, you know,

[0:07:36] Trustee Graham: so that's okay for me to say that.

[0:07:38] Trustee Graham: And that's my report.

[0:07:40] Trustee Graham: Thank you for indulging me.

[0:07:43] Trustee Graham: Well, thank you for the kind words.

[0:07:51] Chair Maude (probable): no it's uh this term is coming to an end denman has been great i am very much

[0:07:58] Chair Maude (probable): enjoyed and honored to to be a part of the denman community and

[0:08:01] Chair Maude (probable): in a little fashion um you guys have been entertaining

[0:08:09] Chair Maude (probable): and

[0:08:09] Chair Maude (probable): i say that in a positive way and also education you guys have taught me a lot so

[0:08:16] Chair Maude (probable): So from a sort of overall executive perspective, the summer's been a little bit quiet.

[0:08:25] Chair Maude (probable): Of course, we had some recent disappointments where we didn't get the trust policy statement finished.

[0:08:31] Chair Maude (probable): So that's next term. So that's something for those who return.

[0:08:35] Chair Maude (probable): Look forward to getting that finally finished.

[0:08:38] Chair Maude (probable): We know sooner or later we'll finish with the budget process.

[0:08:41] Chair Maude (probable): We're zooming right back in the budget process again, trying to

[0:08:45] Chair Maude (probable): keep things reasonable and working for everybody.

[0:08:53] Chair Maude (probable): We'll see what happens in October.

[0:08:56] Chair Maude (probable): There'll be fresh faces across Sounds Trust.

[0:09:00] Chair Maude (probable): I hopefully will be re-elected on Main Island.

[0:09:06] Chair Maude (probable): I very much would love to come back to Denman Island, but that's not in my hands.

[0:09:13] Chair Maude (probable): so I will definitely I will not say goodbye but uh I appreciate my time here and hopefully we'll

[0:09:20] Chair Maude (probable): have more times in the times to come so and again thank you for everybody for embracing me and

[0:09:26] Chair Maude (probable): accepting me and making my job easy so sometimes we have our moments and make things really really

[0:09:34] Chair Maude (probable): tough and gentlemen has never done that for me and I do appreciate that so thank you very much so

[0:09:44] Chair Maude (probable): Next agenda we have Electoral Director's report but she hasn't joined us today so we will move on

[0:09:50] Chair Maude (probable): to public participation. So as you know we try and keep it to two or three minutes.

[0:09:57] Chair Maude (probable): We never seem to manage to achieve that goal but just ask anybody who wants to speak, raise your

[0:10:04] Chair Maude (probable): hand um i'll acknowledge you if you'll

[0:10:06] Chair Maude (probable): just give your name um so we have you we know who you are

[0:10:11] Chair Maude (probable): um for the minutes and we will go through the room so gentlemen side there first hands up john sir

[0:10:19] Chair Maude (probable): go ahead oh you're on great you want to invite people to come speak a little closer yeah maybe

[0:10:25] Chair Maude (probable): if people would come up to the front because we have so many people

[0:10:28] Chair Maude (probable): um we noticed in the last

[0:10:31] Chair Maude (probable): meeting that some of the public conversation was hard to hear on the microphone so if it's possible

[0:10:37] Chair Maude (probable): for you to get up to the mic that'll make it easier for the record keeper and for this to be

[0:10:41] Member of the public: morning

[0:10:43] Member of the public: folks good morning thank you for your work

[0:10:48] Member of the public: where is the mic

[0:10:49] Member of the public: it's in this camera

[0:10:52] Member of the public: yes

[0:10:52] Member of the public: sorry can you not hear me not very well

[0:10:56] Voice 12: sorry

[0:10:57] Member of the public: speaking to this

[0:10:58] Member of the public: it looks like an alien anyway i have one question for you folks and then i'd like to

[0:11:11] Member of the public: make a comment after that question so my question for you is can the trust provide the community

[0:11:26] Member of the public: any legal document or documents that provide legal proof that at any time in the past

[0:11:34] Member of the public: or the present allowed for any other land use of the site other than alr farm use

[0:11:42] Member of the public: which is, the site is the, now known as Camp Devon.

[0:11:49] Member of the public: I have the street address if you folks need that.

[0:11:53] Member of the public: So the question is that farm use is allowed on the ALR land,

[0:12:02] Member of the public: but do you have any documents that support any other use

[0:12:06] Member of the public: in the past or the present?

[0:12:10] Member of the public: And if the answer is no to that,

[0:12:13] Member of the public: that has gone to other agency seeking any such documentation.

[0:12:21] Member of the public: Okay, that's my question.

[0:12:23] Member of the public: Okay, I'm concerned, I don't know if you have

[0:12:26] Member of the public: any takeaway with answering that or with this.

[0:12:29] Planner: Well, it's an enforcement file,

[0:12:30] Planner: so I haven't been involved that heavily in it.

[0:12:37] Planner: You're just wondering how,

[0:12:40] Planner: what the established uses were in the past

[0:12:43] Planner: and how we determine that or yes yeah um

[0:12:46] Member of the public: because you know we're going along here

[0:12:50] Member of the public: for months now where there's been significant construction take place that in my opinion

[0:13:00] Member of the public: doesn't is not covered by the bylaws as we know them on denman island so i'm wondering what staff

[0:13:08] Member of the public: or anyone else has done as far as research

[0:13:12] Member of the public: to find out what other uses are available on that land.

[0:13:18] Member of the public: So

[0:13:18] Chair Maude (probable): it is a bio-enforcement policy.

[0:13:21] Chair Maude (probable): So we don't generally, like we're not actively involved,

[0:13:25] Chair Maude (probable): nor do we sort of interfere with that as an LTC.

[0:13:27] Chair Maude (probable): We do have the bio-enforcement managers come on,

[0:13:31] Chair Maude (probable): so he might be able to address some of this.

[0:13:33] Chair Maude (probable): But enforcement matters, we don't generally get involved with.

[0:13:37] Chair Maude (probable): so mr dingman you have something to add

[0:13:40] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: well chair the we have the open file we've investigated the

[0:13:46] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: property and the new uses and um the bylaws do determine what is permitted on the property and

[0:13:52] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: what is prohibited on the property the new uses that the uh are under invade under investigation

[0:13:59] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: are and where enforcement is actually proceeding they're not permitted they're prohibited uses

[0:14:06] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: uses. There was a long-time use as a non-for-profit kids camp, but that's not the current use.

[0:14:14] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: So as we go over the old land use by-laws and the new land use by-law, we can determine

[0:14:19] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: that the current uses are not lawful and enforcement is proceeding.

[0:14:26] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: Thank you.

[0:14:28] Member of the public: Thank you, Mr. Dingman.

[0:14:29] Member of the public: Do you have another

[0:14:30] Member of the public: comment you wanted to make?

[0:14:31] Member of the public: My

[0:14:31] Member of the public: comment I want to make is what I'm seeing next door, I live next door to the property in question.

[0:14:41] Member of the public: And what I'm seeing is the construction that's taking place far exceeds whatever occurred on that property previously.

[0:14:53] Member of the public: previously, whether you call it a campus or a campsite or whatever sort of name you want

[0:15:04] Member of the public: to call it, it represents a dramatic damage to that ag land.

[0:15:11] Member of the public: That property up until this year was still farmed for the past 23 years.

[0:15:18] Member of the public: The hay was all taken off.

[0:15:20] Member of the public: This year that's over.

[0:15:22] Member of the public: So, you know, a lot of us are concerned, and for us, the impact on our property is immense.

[0:15:38] Member of the public: Okay?

[0:15:39] Member of the public: Thank

[0:15:40] Member of the public: you very much.

[0:15:42] Voice 19: Okay,

[0:15:45] Chair Maude (probable): that's the other thing I should explain.

[0:15:47] Chair Maude (probable): Please, no looming, no applause.

[0:15:50] Chair Maude (probable): I just, I'm trying to make this a little bit quiet and safe for myself.

[0:15:53] Chair Maude (probable): place so who's next for the hands okay sir over there

[0:15:57] Chair Maude (probable): thank you i'm not used to being called sir

[0:16:01] Chair Maude (probable): but i'll take it

[0:16:01] Chair Maude (probable): can

[0:16:03] Member of the public: people hear me it's basically just a kind of follow-up to john's question about

[0:16:08] Member of the public: what the trust aimed we heard what you said but we're still interested and i mean many of us aim

[0:16:14] Member of the public: to know how the trust aims to respond to the non-compliance at cap shank things like this

[0:16:20] Member of the public: this much expanded footprint, the new activities that don't bear any resemblance to a children's

[0:16:25] Member of the public: charitable camp. Many of us are interested in it because the kind of non-compliance that we're

[0:16:35] Member of the public: looking at looks to a lot of us around the island like a dangerous precedent. Nobody is against

[0:16:40] Member of the public: doing things for kids. Nobody that I know of opposes supporting our artistic community.

[0:16:45] Member of the public: But the kind of precedent of disregarding the rules, as people see the rules that need to be disregarded, is dangerous for everybody.

[0:16:56] Member of the public: That same thing could happen right next door to you.

[0:17:00] Member of the public: If people don't have to follow the rules at Camp Shent, they don't have to follow them anyway.

[0:17:08] Member of the public: if it's a case where wealthy investors basically get to decide which rules that are following

[0:17:13] Member of the public: which they're not and do that with impunity then we're all f so and so the question come back to

[0:17:20] Member of the public: my question is really seeking clarity in risk to your earlier response and that is how what is the

[0:17:26] Member of the public: trust going to do in response to this non-compliance that scares the liver out of a lot of us thank you

[0:17:33] Committee member (uncertain): just to reiterate there's an open file enforcement file and and it's so this is not being taken in

[0:17:41] Committee member (uncertain): anything idle so it's being fully investigated and and what will happen will happen but it's not

[0:17:47] Committee member (uncertain): it's not being

[0:17:48] Committee member (uncertain): ignored and just just to like maybe clarify that a little further so because

[0:17:53] Committee member (uncertain): the file is open there are potentially legal proceedings going forward we don't want to

[0:17:59] Committee member (uncertain): endanger our process by showing our hand as it were but this is definitely something that we are

[0:18:07] Committee member (uncertain): watching and focusing on and i very much appreciate where you're coming from so

[0:18:14] Member of the public: i think

[0:18:14] Member of the public: most of the people here would like to know what actual enforcement procedures are

[0:18:24] Member of the public: because again it's kind of investigating when investigating when investigating but I would

[0:18:32] Member of the public: like to know number one can you give us the information about what your actual enforcement

[0:18:38] Member of the public: procedures are and can you actually go in there and say cease and desist and put all of that back

[0:18:44] Member of the public: to the way it was before I would like to know if the islands trust number one is that in its

[0:18:49] Member of the public: bylaws or the rules regulations and will you do that and have you ever done that before yes so

[0:18:57] Chair Maude (probable): again i'll turn back to manager dingman who will give you the answer yesterday

[0:19:03] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: chair what we've proceeded with is uh the new owners of camp denman have been informed that

[0:19:11] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: the uses are unlawful on there to cease those unlawful uses bylaw violation notices have been

[0:19:18] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: issued for the lack of setting and use permits a bylaw violation notice has been issued for the

[0:19:23] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: float out in the w1 zone where it's prohibited those violation notices have been disputed by

[0:19:29] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: the legal counsel for camp denman and so we'll go through a screening officer process and the

[0:19:36] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: a compliance agreement will be offered if a compliance agreement cannot be achieved it'll

[0:19:41] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: go to adjudication and if these steps are not necessary in getting compliance then we'll go

[0:19:47] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: to next steps of whether or not legal action will be considered

[0:19:53] Voice 12: I'm

[0:20:12] Member of the public: her being

[0:20:14] Member of the public: home and basically I have a question I have some statements to make so if you

[0:20:21] Member of the public: to get a lot of that uh i'm really concerned first off about this meeting there is no correspondence

[0:20:28] Member of the public: no delegation and no new business there's a closed meeting part way through part because

[0:20:35] Member of the public: a possible case coming up but we're all here and this island is in turmoil right now because

[0:20:41] Member of the public: a basic underpinning of the mandate of the trust is under threat according to my understanding

[0:20:48] Member of the public: um i want to know in terms of the trust and that includes the planner who doesn't seem to have a

[0:20:56] Member of the public: background in this as much as she needs uh how are you engaging the province you're going to have

[0:21:04] Member of the public: a law case you're going to have to probably go legally to the point where you have a stay of

[0:21:09] Member of the public: all that's going on right now it's like the trump syndrome when you got that building what do you do

[0:21:15] Member of the public: with it. So you want to stop it right now. And I'm not sure the trust has the money or the courage

[0:21:21] Member of the public: to actually do the legal challenge. So you need the province. Our mandate says that this

[0:21:28] Member of the public: island's trust is not just for the people who live on these islands, but for the people of BC.

[0:21:33] Member of the public: And you're representing the people of BC. You've got a municipal government. You've got lots of

[0:21:38] Member of the public: legal bucks out there. And you need to reach for it. And I want to know if you're doing that

[0:21:43] Member of the public: because the process, as far as I've heard it, is slow to stop.

[0:21:50] Member of the public: This is how I'll cause me to answer the question,

[0:21:53] Member of the public: and then I'll go on with another.

[0:21:55] Member of the public: Okay, I can briefly answer in that we don't stop.

[0:22:01] Chair Maude (probable): There are times that we go all the way to Supreme Court.

[0:22:05] Chair Maude (probable): We get orders.

[0:22:08] Chair Maude (probable): There have been recent cases that, you know,

[0:22:11] Chair Maude (probable): we don't just reach a barrier and say,

[0:22:14] Chair Maude (probable): oh well we're not going to do anymore because our violent enforcement staff are very effective and

[0:22:19] Chair Maude (probable): very efficient and then you know if there's an issue they will take it until it's done okay

[0:22:24] Chair Maude (probable): so

[0:22:25] Chair Maude (probable): i have full confidence that you know if there are community concerns and there are violations

[0:22:30] Chair Maude (probable): on any property that our enforcement staff will take it to whatever degree it has to do to achieve

[0:22:37] Chair Maude (probable): compliance and

[0:22:38] Chair Maude (probable): i like to go on record as saying that i have no confidence and i think it's a much

[0:22:41] Member of the public: bigger measure that needs to be taken and i think there is going to be a lot more hurry

[0:22:46] Member of the public: but i don't want to answer to that because obviously we're going to agree to disagree in it

[0:22:52] Member of the public: um i'm concerned too as i'm seeing uh a land use bylaw and uh our rewriting of our official

[0:23:00] Member of the public: community plan coming down the tubes for public hearing as of september 15th and the whole thing

[0:23:08] Member of the public: has been rewritten, my understanding is for the benefit of the trust staff so they can

[0:23:14] Member of the public: understand things better, the density bank is going to be gone, which actually allowed

[0:23:20] Member of the public: for real houses and represents $150,000 at last reckoning for every single density bank

[0:23:28] Member of the public: put in there.

[0:23:29] Member of the public: And the actual build-out capacity is gone in terms of what's actually there, but it's

[0:23:37] Member of the public: been replaced with a brush dust when we do our and i'm not being polite sorry um when we put our

[0:23:45] Member of the public: apartment complexes in it won't go beyond the carrying capacity of denman island and again i

[0:23:52] Member of the public: don't have that confidence i want to know a lot more about the changes in the official community

[0:23:59] Member of the public: plan and the land use bylaw as well as knowing a lot more about how this whole process right now

[0:24:05] Member of the public: of the turmoil we're facing which is major for this community um and that's about it that there's

[0:24:12] Member of the public: no answer needed no

[0:24:14] Chair Maude (probable): but i will say that's why we're having a meeting today and that's what

[0:24:17] Chair Maude (probable): we're having meeting in september to discuss all of this so the opportunities are there the public

[0:24:22] Chair Maude (probable): hearing is you have to stand up you have to speak you have to sit down it's very formal

[0:24:31] Chair Maude (probable): anybody

[0:24:34] Chair Maude (probable): else wish to speak

[0:24:41] Member of the public: Eddie Johnston

[0:24:42] Member of the public: I just wish to say that I

[0:24:44] Member of the public: support the Islands Trust and I'm appalled

[0:24:46] Member of the public: at what I'm seeing on AI

[0:24:48] Member of the public: posts about abolish the Islands

[0:24:50] Member of the public: Trust and sign the petition

[0:24:52] Member of the public: and we know who that's

[0:24:54] Member of the public: from and what it's all about

[0:24:56] Member of the public: so I support you

[0:24:58] Member of the public: 100%

[0:24:59] Chair Maude (probable): I want the applause

[0:25:07] Chair Maude (probable): please anybody else

[0:25:12] Chair Maude (probable): Thank you, Paul. I did this almost at every trust meeting, but we have an affordable housing

[0:25:18] Member of the public: emergency. The two trustees are done and were elected essentially on affordable housing.

[0:25:23] Member of the public: There's an affordable housing project in going on for years. The HEPC was created for affordable

[0:25:29] Member of the public: housing. I see what we can do with the other media and OCP. Those changes have made their

[0:25:34] Member of the public: way through we have something coming for public meeting on september 15th and we need to get this

[0:25:42] Member of the public: passed in this term and it shouldn't be punted into the next term with trustees that we don't

[0:25:48] Member of the public: know because we haven't elected them yet quite one of them running so we really need to finish

[0:25:55] Member of the public: the project that these two trustees started and i urge everyone to support the ocp value

[0:26:00] Member of the public: changes that they've chosen to implement for Portable Housing and for Devon. Thank you.

[0:26:06] Member of the public: Thank you. All

[0:26:08] Member of the public: right. Is there anybody else we should speak?

[0:26:11] Member of the public: My name is Michael Scott. I just have a question of clarification, really, and a comment. And my

[0:26:19] Member of the public: question is, I'm not understanding whether the project that's underway at the former site of

[0:26:27] Member of the public: Elkhaven is actually as it's as it's um transgressing uh bylaws is work has the work

[0:26:36] Member of the public: been stopped now or is construction continuing if

[0:26:43] Chair Maude (probable): if I understand let me hand over Mr. Dingman

[0:26:47] Chair Maude (probable): because he will give you the right answer rather than what I think so Mr. Dingman uh

[0:26:52] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: chair thank

[0:26:53] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: Thank you. We don't have any means to issue stop work orders. We have requested the non-permitted uses and instructions to cease. It has not ceased.

[0:27:08] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: I'm sorry, sorry.

[0:27:11] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: Who does what?

[0:27:12] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: I was going to say, who does issue stop work orders in instances like this?

[0:27:18] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: No one.

[0:27:18] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: No one can issue a stop work order on Denman Island.

[0:27:22] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: You don't have building inspection from the regional district,

[0:27:24] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: so the regional district can't go in and say these structures don't have

[0:27:28] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: building permits.

[0:27:29] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: There's no building permits issued on Denman.

[0:27:31] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: There are setting and use permits issued on Denman,

[0:27:34] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: and we're proceeding with enforcement because they don't have the necessary

[0:27:37] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: setting and use permits.

[0:27:39] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: Other than that, we can't issue any type of a stop work order.

[0:27:43] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: We don't have that authority.

[0:27:45] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: So we issue the tickets.

[0:27:47] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: We go through that ticketing process, and if we can't get compliance, the LTC will have to consider legal action at some future date.

[0:28:00] Chair Maude (probable): Thank you.

[0:28:02] Chair Maude (probable): I think my comment is similar to ones that have come previously, which is the element of subterfuge that seemed apparent to me at the beginning of the announcement of the work that's happening there.

[0:28:17] Member of the public: it was very unsettling and then when someone raised the issue well all of this presentation

[0:28:25] Member of the public: appears to have been edited by artificial intelligence that's kind of irrelevant who

[0:28:31] Member of the public: was editing or what was editing it but it caused one of the principles then to actually

[0:28:38] Member of the public: make a more forthcoming, long, long commentary about his views. And it wasn't structured in a

[0:28:49] Member of the public: formal way, but it had quite a lot of information. I would say 90% of it had to do with his particular

[0:28:58] Member of the public: view of his particular undertakings and his particular project. So it was very self-centered

[0:29:06] Member of the public: in that way or project centered um and i'm personally extremely concerned about

[0:29:17] Member of the public: the i don't want to say casualness of the of the process because i know the process is

[0:29:22] Member of the public: is rigorous in some ways it concerns me greatly to understand that there's no

[0:29:27] Member of the public: I mean, many municipalities or community organizations have the power to stop things that are clearly need to be discussed.

[0:29:42] Member of the public: So a previous speaker today did say that he lives in proximity and that the work is continuing.

[0:29:49] Member of the public: And certainly reading between the lines of what has been published by the younger principal of this endeavor.

[0:30:00] Member of the public: They feel that they're just going to go ahead with it because it's a wonderful idea.

[0:30:04] Member of the public: And here are all the ways it was like what happened there at Elk Haven, which all of us know was not what Elk Haven was.

[0:30:13] Member of the public: And then more subterfuge about how things are paid for in these banks of points.

[0:30:17] Member of the public: And it's it's very concerning. And I just want to underline that with lots of red ink.

[0:30:25] Member of the public: and I know many people here feel the same.

[0:30:27] Member of the public: But thank you for the time.

[0:30:29] Member of the public: I appreciate it.

[0:30:30] Member of the public: Thank you very much.

[0:30:31] Member of the public: Okay, gentlemen, for a second time.

[0:30:34] Member of the public: Yeah, I just want to confirm his comments.

[0:30:38] Member of the public: As of this morning, those tents are still going up, more of them.

[0:30:44] Member of the public: Now there's going to be 12,

[0:30:46] Member of the public: 20 feet wide, 35 feet long, jammed

[0:30:52] Member of the public: together.

[0:30:53] Member of the public: together it's not only a fire hazard your kids slept in them last night okay think about it

[0:31:02] Member of the public: think about you know what's happening here and

[0:31:07] Member of the public: it needs to stop thank you all right

[0:31:13] Member of the public: um yeah so i i'm obviously town hall is typically an opportunity for you guys to speak directly to

[0:31:22] Member of the public: us i want to break briefly with that and just oh i'm sorry do you want to speak it back

[0:31:40] Member of the public: i'll be short i do not agree with the vision of for

[0:31:46] Member of the public: canada sorry i

[0:31:48] Member of the public: do not agree with the vision

[0:31:50] Member of the public: for cap damon and i feel it is totally inappropriate for our community

[0:31:55] Member of the public: Dental residents have worked hard to protect our island from exploitation by people who come here primarily to make money and have a strong desire to change our island.

[0:32:09] Member of the public: They disrespect what we embrace and the Islands Trust has a mandate to preserve and protect this special island.

[0:32:17] Member of the public: My question to the trustees is why are you breaking our trust in your ability to serve and protect our island?

[0:32:26] Member of the public: Once you say yes to one resort, glamping development or hotel, you open the door for others and risk destroying what we have.

[0:32:38] Member of the public: This is not the only development testing the limits of our rules.

[0:32:41] Member of the public: Another project involving a new vineyard and accommodation connected with the wine tasting has been going on for years and is still not completed.

[0:32:51] Member of the public: I'm not referring to the Corland Vineyard, which has been part of Denman for many years.

[0:32:56] Member of the public: My concern is that when developments are allowed to skirt the rules, it becomes harder to enforce those rules fairly in the future.

[0:33:05] Member of the public: For years and years, when I came to Denman, I would read a sign at Buckley Bay warning people that they cannot just come to Denman and expect not to follow the rules and regulations around development.

[0:33:20] Member of the public: It reminds me, or us, that the islanders trust that man has a mandate to preserve and protect our island.

[0:33:27] Member of the public: We need that clear message back. Please protect what makes Denman special, enforce the rules fairly, and stop this development.

[0:33:35] Member of the public: I

[0:33:36] Chair Maude (probable): will just reiterate that we have not approved anything and we are doing enforcement on these

[0:33:45] Chair Maude (probable): issues that you've raised.

[0:33:46] Chair Maude (probable): So in no way, shape or form is local trust committee endorsing anything that's going

[0:33:51] Chair Maude (probable): on.

[0:33:52] Chair Maude (probable): But

[0:33:53] Chair Maude (probable): make that clear to people that come here that it's not their island, it's our community

[0:33:59] Chair Maude (probable): island.

[0:34:01] Voice 16: Go ahead.

[0:34:01] Member of the public: If

[0:34:02] Member of the public: I could just say, there's going to be an awful lot of damage to that land if it is allowed to proceed the way they want it to proceed, and then it has to be torn down.

[0:34:18] Member of the public: You can't restore something like that.

[0:34:24] Member of the public: If

[0:34:24] Member of the public: you can't enforce anything and you have no capabilities of moving forward quickly, what you just did was invited the whole community.

[0:34:35] Member of the public: If I want to build something right now, I better start because it's going to take a long time before you guys are going to get in.

[0:34:41] Member of the public: So you just gave the permission to anybody in here on Dannon Island that is wanting to build something that's not in the rules.

[0:34:49] Member of the public: Go ahead. Get started because it takes so long before you can enforce anything.

[0:34:56] Member of the public: You've just opened the whole door for everyone.

[0:34:59] Member of the public: No,

[0:34:59] Chair Maude (probable): but I will just briefly say it is a, yes, like everything in our world, it takes time,

[0:35:07] Chair Maude (probable): but anything you undertake will be at your peril because it can come to a court order

[0:35:12] Chair Maude (probable): to remove everything. That comes at an immense cost to people.

[0:35:17] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I'm going to just jump

[0:35:19] Trustee Borthwick (probable): in here briefly because I want to say I have been aware of what has been

[0:35:25] Trustee Borthwick (probable): coming down the line at this property for a while, I have been extremely concerned about it.

[0:35:31] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I've had some very disturbing conversations with people who are involved in making it happen.

[0:35:37] Trustee Borthwick (probable): And I've had a lot of concerned conversations with all of you in the more recent times. I have

[0:35:42] Trustee Borthwick (probable): been trying to, there are limitations to what is appropriate for us to say publicly in community.

[0:35:49] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and so I have been trying to, or I have made a point of

[0:35:54] Trustee Borthwick (probable): sort of trying to alert people to

[0:35:56] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that things are coming, but I also don't want to endanger our process, and I don't want to

[0:36:01] Trustee Borthwick (probable): compromise our legal process by speaking out of turn, so that's part of it. One of the things,

[0:36:09] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and I really appreciate the frustration, and I share the frustration that we don't have more

[0:36:15] Trustee Borthwick (probable): power to stop this sort of thing in its tracks. We cannot assume legal powers that we don't possess

[0:36:22] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and that we have not been given through our bylaws. One of the processes that we have is

[0:36:29] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that we've chosen not to have building inspections, as Manager Damon was saying. We've chosen to have

[0:36:34] Trustee Borthwick (probable): setting and use permits. This has, in the past, allowed us a great deal of freedom and, like many

[0:36:40] Trustee Borthwick (probable): of our bylaws is was predicated in no small part on the concept of well no one's going to do that

[0:36:46] Trustee Borthwick (probable): here

[0:36:47] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and

[0:36:47] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i think there has been a change in some of the attitudes of of people who move to the gulf

[0:36:54] Trustee Borthwick (probable): islands on mass not it's not unique to denman um i i don't think that we can rely necessarily

[0:37:01] Trustee Borthwick (probable): entirely on the goodwill of of people who who are choosing to be here not everyone is going to

[0:37:06] Trustee Borthwick (probable): choose to adapt to how things are here. This is also not the first time that there's been a

[0:37:13] Trustee Borthwick (probable): cultural sea change. As many of you are aware, many of you were a part of a major cultural shift

[0:37:18] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that happened in the 70s when there was a big change in attitude as to how things were going

[0:37:23] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to get done. The trust came in part out of that. One of the risks of choosing to allow a slightly

[0:37:30] Trustee Borthwick (probable): more flexible situation is that we don't have the same direct powers that we might have in other

[0:37:36] Trustee Borthwick (probable): in other instances um i i am personally not someone who is pro a ton of regulation around

[0:37:45] Trustee Borthwick (probable): a lot of things i like the fact that our community has that flexibility this is the other the other

[0:37:50] Trustee Borthwick (probable): edge of that sword um in that it does take away some of our ability to to act swiftly and in these

[0:37:56] Trustee Borthwick (probable): kinds of situations and to stop that kind of work in in an immediate sense nevertheless and i want

[0:38:03] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to be really clear um we absolutely have we're not allowing this we are doing what we can through the

[0:38:10] Trustee Borthwick (probable): process that we have to slow to stop it um and i and i want to um you know michael you were referring

[0:38:20] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to um the posts that was made and this that you use the word subterfuge number of times

[0:38:27] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i would and i understand where you're coming from i would say that it is not subterfuge i think it is

[0:38:31] Trustee Borthwick (probable): disdain. I think they don't care for the rules here and they are willing to just ride roughshod

[0:38:36] Trustee Borthwick (probable): over them, not because they just don't think they apply to them. And our situation, our government,

[0:38:45] Trustee Borthwick (probable): our laws

[0:38:45] Trustee Borthwick (probable): are to some degree predicated on an expectation of some degree of civility.

[0:38:53] Trustee Borthwick (probable): And this is not a civil situation, as I'm sure all of you are aware. I want to be really clear

[0:38:58] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that none of the three of us on this local trust committee

[0:39:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): are taking this lying down.

[0:39:04] Trustee Borthwick (probable): We feel really strongly about wanting to make sure

[0:39:07] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that we are protecting this community, the environment,

[0:39:11] Trustee Borthwick (probable): the value of the agricultural value that is inherent in that property.

[0:39:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Those are all things that we want to support.

[0:39:16] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I do a lot of work with young people.

[0:39:18] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I find it very, very frustrating that they're using this argument

[0:39:23] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that if you are against this project, you are against doing things with children.

[0:39:27] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I give up every Friday night to hang out with a bunch of teenagers.

[0:39:32] Trustee Borthwick (probable): It's a very frustrating situation to be in.

[0:39:36] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I am frustrated by the necessary tethers that are involved in being a trustee.

[0:39:41] Trustee Borthwick (probable): We are not supposed to be involved on a case-by-case basis with bylaw enforcement.

[0:39:45] Trustee Borthwick (probable): It would be inappropriate for us to put our hand on the scales.

[0:39:50] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Most of the time, that is a really important protection.

[0:39:54] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I totally appreciate that.

[0:39:55] Trustee Borthwick (probable): It feels really frustrating right now.

[0:39:58] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i am i am every bit as frustrated as as you are okay i'm sorry sometimes repetition is for emphasis

[0:40:07] Trustee Borthwick (probable): um and i'll stop if people are fed up with hearing me speak but i just wanted to just

[0:40:12] Trustee Borthwick (probable): say that it's clearly we are doing what we can um and and we're not done by any stretch of the

[0:40:18] Trustee Borthwick (probable): imagination part of what will be happening at this meeting will be addressing these things for

[0:40:23] Trustee Borthwick (probable): but i appreciate that i'm not trying to defend where we're we're at and just trying to share

[0:40:31] Trustee Borthwick (probable): some of those

[0:40:31] Trustee Borthwick (probable): things okay

[0:40:33] Chair Maude (probable): we have a woman in the back i

[0:40:35] Voice 12: just have a question is the al car or alc

[0:40:39] Voice 12: awareness algorithm yes and don't they pretty see everybody else in government when it comes

[0:40:45] Voice 12: to agricultural land are they moving forward and doing it through the software no i can't

[0:40:53] Chair Maude (probable): i i can tell you that they know what's going on i know that the manager has reached out to them

[0:40:59] Chair Maude (probable): again we're not not unlike the lpc it's not involved once we hand the file to the

[0:41:06] Chair Maude (probable): agricultural land commission they do their own thing we don't hear back so hopefully

[0:41:11] Chair Maude (probable): between us

[0:41:14] Chair Maude (probable): but i'm sure manager dingman is working closely with the lc on the on this

[0:41:19] Chair Maude (probable): so sort of the door other

[0:41:21] Chair Maude (probable): uh sickness balance but community governments have a lot more teeth

[0:41:26] Member of the public: is it possible for you to uh buy today provincial government to get more uh teeth so that you might

[0:41:34] Member of the public: actually have legal means of dealing with this i

[0:41:40] Chair Maude (probable): see manager dingman's come on the screen so

[0:41:42] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: i'm going to defer to him and then i'll give you the political answer mr dingman oh chair

[0:41:48] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: Mayor, the province will not prosecute offenses against local government bylaws.

[0:41:57] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: We have tried to go down this path, but it is longstanding provincial government policy

[0:42:01] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: is that local governments must enforce and pay for their own enforcement and legal action.

[0:42:07] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: So even though there's a serious contravention of a local government bylaw,

[0:42:12] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: they will not prosecute it for the local trust committee.

[0:42:15] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: The local trust committee will have to proceed with any type of legal action it wishes in the future, and it goes to a notice of civil claim in BC Supreme Court.

[0:42:26] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: So that's the hard reality of trying to engage with the province.

[0:42:31] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: We have tried this before, specifically even during this term, and they have said no.

[0:42:36] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: um

[0:42:39] Member of the public: the if they tried to do this in let's say vancouver um there would be a marshal at the gate

[0:42:47] Member of the public: and uh they would put a stop order and they would have definite means of enforcement here we don't

[0:42:54] Member of the public: have anything and that's what i mean by teeth do we did we apply to the government to actually give

[0:43:00] Member of the public: legislate that we do have some course of action because right now we just say oh oh please don't

[0:43:07] Member of the public: oh please don't and that's all we could do so

[0:43:11] Member of the public: the political answer to that is okay go ahead

[0:43:14] Trustee (David Graham or Chair Maude) (uncertain): um

[0:43:15] Trustee Graham: a while back dc ferries needed room at uh devon west east thank you gravelly bay very

[0:43:28] Trustee Graham: terrible to remove some trees and the island responded quickly didn't ask the trust they

[0:43:36] Trustee Graham: They didn't ask the province.

[0:43:37] Trustee Graham: They didn't ask their moms or their dads or their children.

[0:43:40] Trustee Graham: They responded.

[0:43:42] Trustee Graham: I'm not going to say anything more because I've already said too much.

[0:43:48] Trustee (David Graham or Chair Maude) (uncertain): But just as you asked, the Islands Trust did actually ask for a permission review.

[0:43:55] Chair Maude (probable): And the issue such as what you raised would have been

[0:43:57] Chair Maude (probable): part of that review.

[0:43:58] Chair Maude (probable): The province turned down that review.

[0:44:00] Chair Maude (probable): So we recognize that our legislation is over 50 years old.

[0:44:05] Chair Maude (probable): is that there there are definitely little fine tunings and sometimes major turning that that

[0:44:11] Chair Maude (probable): perhaps the problems could consider but the promise right now wants to say stay status quo so

[0:44:17] Chair Maude (probable): it's not for lack of asking but we are what we are so i had a woman in the back there we go

[0:44:23] Chair Maude (probable): and up there there we go i

[0:44:25] Voice 12: think i'm not enough my name is liz johnston and i do live next door

[0:44:29] Voice 12: so I'm not going to

[0:44:31] Voice 12: go into how people

[0:44:33] Voice 12: respect their neighbors or not

[0:44:35] Voice 12: I'm going to stay with the

[0:44:37] Voice 12: onus. We're in a bureaucratic

[0:44:39] Voice 12: long game

[0:44:41] Voice 12: and in the meantime

[0:44:43] Voice 12: all the other farms

[0:44:45] Voice 12: our farm, we grow blueberries

[0:44:48] Voice 12: hay, we provide paper

[0:44:49] Voice 12: long pine, we provide

[0:44:51] Voice 12: all the blueberries

[0:44:52] Voice 12: we grow vegetables

[0:44:54] Voice 12: in the meantime, we have a well

[0:44:57] Voice 12: and

[0:44:59] Voice 12: And the well, if you recall at the last meeting, it was reported that the camp dam people said that they had no water plant as yet.

[0:45:09] Voice 12: They also said that, oh, we have a huge storage tank.

[0:45:14] Voice 12: We've been there for 24 years, and we know that they put a well in right across, like, wherever they're from ours, because they know that we got water.

[0:45:24] Voice 12: And they come to that storage tank from basically our aquifer.

[0:45:30] Voice 12: We have first in time, first in right, but that's a huge BC political thing that you have to work for us to prove.

[0:45:39] Voice 12: We also have registered our farm because it's a classified farm and we provide things for our community.

[0:45:48] Voice 12: we also have a register for commercial water rights so we have those all documented but in

[0:45:55] Voice 12: the meantime this is going to take years three four whatever in the meantime all the other farms

[0:46:01] Voice 12: farms on both sides all the homes above us are seriously concerned about running out of water

[0:46:07] Voice 12: we have run out of water every year because we are gaining our blueberries we have to just let

[0:46:14] Voice 12: of rest so my question to you is what could you do because we have we spent two hours with a bc

[0:46:22] Voice 12: groundwater consultant saying well we would have to do a report we have to send a geologist to do

[0:46:30] Voice 12: a water groundwater report and then we write up a report but it would cost between eight to ten

[0:46:35] Voice 12: thousand dollars now normally if anyone wants to build something or applies for zoning which

[0:46:43] Voice 12: obviously they haven't done anything because they're just doing what they want

[0:46:48] Voice 12: um would would be the person to pay for that geological water study so

[0:46:55] Voice 12: why should we you know have to pay eight to ten thousand dollars to help the whole community make

[0:47:02] Voice 12: sure that we don't lose our aquifer water because they're pumping away and we're we're not too sure

[0:47:08] Voice 12: but you know from years we volunteered for 23 years at that camp we know where the storage

[0:47:14] Voice 12: tank is we know that it's very old and probably has leaks and then we're just running the water

[0:47:20] Voice 12: quickly we don't know that that's sort of where the whole crowd so you know how can you protect

[0:47:25] Voice 12: protect us could you in any way

[0:47:27] Member of the public: um help us pay for a geological groundwater study that's my question

[0:47:34] Member of the public: to you I

[0:47:36] Chair Maude (probable): would say no I'll turn to a planner who might give a better answer but I don't think

[0:47:43] Chair Maude (probable): there's any mechanism we can do anything like that it

[0:47:45] Chair Maude (probable): would be through the rezoning event

[0:47:47] Chair Maude (probable): but the

[0:47:47] Voice 12: staff says that he's fired.

[0:47:49] Member of the public: Why don't you make David pay?

[0:47:52] Voice 12: Well, they should be making David pay.

[0:47:55] Chair Maude (probable): They are supposed to.

[0:47:56] Chair Maude (probable): That is the law.

[0:47:57] Chair Maude (probable): They are just ignoring the law.

[0:47:59] Voice 12: But they don't do anything that they're supposed to.

[0:48:01] Chair Maude (probable): Yes.

[0:48:04] Member of the public: Thank you for another question.

[0:48:05] Member of the public: I appreciate you guys have been very good

[0:48:08] Member of the public: at explaining your limitations and frustrations,

[0:48:10] Member of the public: and I think most of us are as frustrated but sympathetic.

[0:48:13] Member of the public: The question I have is maybe it'll be some kind of reassurance, maybe not.

[0:48:18] Member of the public: To think about a case that took place on the east side, not at Bradley Bay, but a little ways up the shore there with Dean Ellis and company that went on for a long time.

[0:48:27] Member of the public: Or eventually, as far as I understood, the trust prevailed and Ellis ended up eating it.

[0:48:33] Member of the public: But it took a long time. Was that somehow instructed? Is that something we can look to as an example of how this

[0:48:39] Trustee Graham: may play out?

[0:48:40] Trustee Graham: Well, it will certainly demonstrate how long a process can take if the person who's being aimed at chooses the courts to fight back, because that ping-ponged back between various courts, various levels.

[0:49:00] Trustee Graham: It was painful and very expensive. Yes, the trust stayed the course, spent a ridiculous amount of money, and won. We won morally. We certainly didn't win financially.

[0:49:12] Trustee Graham: Can you explain that?

[0:49:14] Trustee Graham: Because normally the loser pays, you know?

[0:49:16] Trustee Graham: No, not at all.

[0:49:17] Chair Maude (probable): Even

[0:49:17] Trustee Graham: when the loser pays, it takes money, actually, to get the money.

[0:49:22] Trustee Graham: And by the time you've paid all of the court costs that you needed to do to get the money,

[0:49:28] Trustee Graham: and then you get the money, you don't get the money.

[0:49:30] Trustee Graham: You get a portion of the money.

[0:49:31] Chair Maude (probable): So I guess my question is, is that instructive?

[0:49:34] Member of the public: Is that something we should worry about?

[0:49:36] Member of the public: You know, that the trust will stand up as long as it can.

[0:49:39] Member of the public: but then we know we're dealing with proponents who were fairly deep

[0:49:43] Trustee Graham: pockets right that's not

[0:49:44] Trustee Graham: an issue on their side it's frightening it's frightening when you're dealing with someone

[0:49:51] Trustee Graham: with that perhaps has so much money they could just tie you up in the courts uh i mean governments

[0:49:58] Trustee Graham: don't stop so as a private individual could be can run enough money and walks away governments

[0:50:05] Trustee Graham: us because of the taxpayers on the taxpayer you're a taxpayer we would just keep paying until week

[0:50:11] Trustee Graham: one we don't give up

[0:50:16] Voice 12: because i know that cbrp are their rural areas if you want to build a house

[0:50:35] Voice 12: she's going to put a building on there's more protection for they live essentially if they

[0:50:42] Voice 12: wanted to build this first of all yeah second of all we have a little different things where

[0:50:48] Voice 12: you brought it when how are you going to provide with it

[0:50:50] Member of the public: but i think i think that is in this point

[0:50:53] Member of the public: is that they've not applied for resorting they've not replied for building permits

[0:50:57] Voice 12: but

[0:50:57] Member of the public: they need to send you a user service they do we do okay

[0:51:00] Voice 12: but the restrictions would be

[0:51:03] Voice 12: much greater if the regional district was holding the allowances what happened to the ship breaking

[0:51:12] Voice 12: not

[0:51:12] Trustee Borthwick (probable): necessarily okay

[0:51:13] Voice 12: not

[0:51:15] Trustee Borthwick (probable): necessarily people who are going to ignore and break the law are going

[0:51:18] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to ignore and break a lot the restrictions in many ways are greater on on this island the one of the

[0:51:25] Trustee Borthwick (probable): things in terms of like immediate action and so this is a little bit of what manager dingman was

[0:51:29] Trustee Borthwick (probable): talking about what i was was talking about before is that because we have chosen to just have

[0:51:34] Trustee Borthwick (probable): signing and use permits and not have building inspections that is one of the mechanisms that

[0:51:39] Trustee Borthwick (probable): in the past for and then this is again this is these are laws that we have we have agreed on as

[0:51:45] Trustee Borthwick (probable): a community but before my time as a trustee um we've chosen not to go that route because there

[0:51:52] Trustee Borthwick (probable): is some more flexibility there we could choose to amend that to require building inspections

[0:51:56] Trustee Borthwick (probable): In this particular instance, I don't think that would change anything because it's already in process.

[0:52:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): We have the tools that we have currently. They are the tools that we as a community have decided upon in the past.

[0:52:09] Trustee Borthwick (probable): And again, like there are things that we are moving forward with this as the local trust committee that are still privileged information.

[0:52:17] Trustee Borthwick (probable): So it's not we can't tell you all the things we don't want to show our hands to the proponent either.

[0:52:22] Trustee Borthwick (probable): but I don't think it would necessarily magically be better if we were inside just a part of that

[0:52:27] Member of the public: nature

[0:52:27] Member of the public: regulations are so old and have not been readdressed in 25 years and things have changed

[0:52:35] Member of the public: it's

[0:52:36] Member of the public: a huge it's a huge problem absolutely I totally agree using

[0:52:39] Voice 12: the current bylaws without

[0:52:41] Voice 12: trust is really getting us absolutely

[0:52:43] Member of the public: that's why we need

[0:52:44] Member of the public: to review things absolutely but I think

[0:52:47] Chair Maude: The thing is, in our society, as Dr. Gorthwick, I think you said previously, is that rules and regulations work for people who want to conform and be proper members of society.

[0:52:59] Chair Maude: If you don't want to be a proper member of society, then people stray outside and we have to step in.

[0:53:07] Chair Maude: It's like if you have gun control.

[0:53:09] Chair Maude: They say, well, nobody's allowed to have a gun.

[0:53:11] Chair Maude: That doesn't mean that people don't have guns.

[0:53:13] Chair Maude: There's still going to be bank robberies, because you know, the people who don't want

[0:53:16] Chair Maude: to behave themselves don't behave themselves.

[0:53:18] Chair Maude: And

[0:53:19] Chair Maude (probable): nevertheless, we are still required to act within our legal limits.

[0:53:22] Chair Maude (probable): Like there's an asymmetrical system in that we are bound to behave appropriately, because

[0:53:30] Chair Maude (probable): I think most of you would be really pissed off if we were suddenly vigilanteing on other

[0:53:35] Chair Maude (probable): things in other directions.

[0:53:39] Chair Maude (probable): But I get it.

[0:53:41] Chair Maude (probable): And rest assured, yes,

[0:53:43] Chair Maude: enforcement is a process and enforcement does take time.

[0:53:47] Chair Maude: But the reality is, at the end of the day,

[0:53:50] Chair Maude: if you're doing something that's not legal, you're not going to win.

[0:53:56] Chair Maude: Because at some point, it's going to end up and a judge is going to make an order.

[0:54:01] Chair Maude: And there are cases in Island's Trust where it has cost people hundreds of thousands of dollars.

[0:54:05] Chair Maude: People lost their homes and their properties because we've gone in and had to do cleanup orders.

[0:54:10] Chair Maude: words. So, you know, none of this is a minor slap on the wrist, but it does take time because

[0:54:18] Chair Maude: there is a process and it is a legal process. And just because we're in the trust doesn't

[0:54:24] Chair Maude: make it any different than say in Vancouver. Like you'll recall that hotel in Vancouver

[0:54:29] Chair Maude: that was derelict for 20 odd years. And it took 20 years for

[0:54:33] Chair Maude: Vancouver to get it demolished.

[0:54:35] Chair Maude: is that at the end of the day is justice will be met but it's and sometimes it takes a little bit

[0:54:44] Chair Maude: of time but you're is the more time it takes the more money it's going to cost you as the offender

[0:54:51] Chair Maude: because things don't get cheaper so it's rest assured our bio-enforcement staff are probably

[0:54:58] Chair Maude: the best you're going to find anywhere and you know they're they're very much going to do what

[0:55:04] Chair Maude: needs to be done

[0:55:05] Chair Maude: to achieve compliance it may not be tomorrow it may not be next month but it will

[0:55:11] Chair Maude: happen and undoubtedly will happen at great expense to the landowners no matter what's going

[0:55:16] Chair Maude: on so go ahead thank

[0:55:19] Voice 12: you very clear about yourself and then the agricultural application

[0:55:27] Member of the public: um

[0:55:28] Voice 12: what i've heard actually very little truly original and that you're you're you don't um

[0:55:36] Voice 12: collaborate and they're in

[0:55:38] Voice 12: places where

[0:55:39] Member of the public: it's difficult and then you can work with them and

[0:55:41] Member of the public: they can is does any of that i

[0:55:45] Chair Maude (probable): don't know mr dingley we have a question here um in regards

[0:55:50] Chair Maude (probable): to our relationship with the agricultural land commission and cooperative enforcement um you're

[0:55:57] Chair Maude (probable): Are you prepared to sort of just explain the relationship between the two of us?

[0:56:03] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: So, Chair, we have in the past worked very cooperatively with certain ALR staff, enforcement officers,

[0:56:11] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: and we try and engage the ALC whenever we can.

[0:56:17] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: It's not exactly that I can think of any case where there's actually joint enforcement.

[0:56:22] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: The ALC will enforce its regulations that it believes it needs to enforce.

[0:56:29] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: and we'll provide information back and forth.

[0:56:32] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: In this specific case, we have not received a response back from the ALC,

[0:56:36] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: so I'm going to take further steps to directly contact their enforcement staff

[0:56:42] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: to see what we can work on this together and what action the ALC may be taking.

[0:56:48] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: Okay, thank you.

[0:56:51] Chair Maude (probable): I

[0:56:56] Member of the public: just want to follow up on something that David alluded to with the trees at Gravely Bay.

[0:57:03] Member of the public: There's a lot of frustration in terms of the Islanders' Trust going through the legal processes addressed in that kind of framework.

[0:57:12] Member of the public: That's because we're talking about indirect action.

[0:57:16] Member of the public: That's what the legal process is.

[0:57:18] Member of the public: What we need to do at this point is allow that to proceed, but also start to think about what direct action,

[0:57:26] Member of the public: and direct action is directed at

[0:57:29] Member of the public: the people who are proposing

[0:57:31] Member of the public: to fuck up our island

[0:57:32] Member of the public: are doing.

[0:57:35] Member of the public: And that's up to us.

[0:57:37] Member of the public: That's on us. It's not something we just

[0:57:39] Member of the public: delegate elsewhere.

[0:57:42] Member of the public: We need to have that point.

[0:57:45] Member of the public: I

[0:57:47] Member of the public: had a hand up over here.

[0:57:49] Member of the public: Maybe not anymore.

[0:57:52] Member of the public: I

[0:57:53] Voice 12: wanted to say, yes,

[0:57:54] Voice 12: several of us have written to the ALC.

[0:57:56] Voice 12: We got the same response, no response.

[0:57:58] Voice 12: And we were told that they are very, very short staffed, and

[0:58:02] Voice 12: they only have one person

[0:58:04] Voice 12: in the entire region.

[0:58:05] Voice 12: So it would be a very long time to get a response.

[0:58:09] Voice 12: So if you're not getting a response, and we're not getting a response, and I think Direct

[0:58:13] Voice 12: actually is responsible for sure.

[0:58:16] Voice 12: But how else can we support you to make sure that we can support them to make sure they

[0:58:22] Voice 12: reply to our response?

[0:58:23] Chair Maude (probable): Well, I would say you participating in this meeting is of great assistance in that our senior staff are listening right here.

[0:58:36] Chair Maude (probable): I see them on the screen.

[0:58:37] Chair Maude (probable): So they're hearing there's community concern.

[0:58:42] Chair Maude (probable): You've heard Mr. Dingman say that he's going to go back and again go with the LC.

[0:58:51] Chair Maude (probable): Trust me, you don't want to be on the bad side.

[0:58:54] Chair Maude (probable): of our violent enforcement is they don't go away um they're very persistent and they're very good

[0:59:00] Chair Maude (probable): at their job um so this is as i say there's a legal process that takes time but if you're in

[0:59:08] Chair Maude (probable): the wrong you are going to remain in the wrong and corrective action will happen so but i i do

[0:59:15] Chair Maude (probable): sincerely appreciate all the comments in the room this is being heard so you're not you're not just

[0:59:21] Chair Maude (probable): speaking to the three of us you're speaking to heaven's trust because you know we we have our

[0:59:28] Chair Maude (probable): all of our people are listening so this is not like like sam and dave are just going blah blah

[0:59:34] Chair Maude (probable): blah is is that they're hearing that the community is very very concerned and so this this will you

[0:59:40] Chair Maude (probable): are rationing up our actions but by you being at this meeting and addressing this so and i just

[0:59:47] Chair Maude (probable): I will say, we're an hour into this, so I think we've heard you, so I'm not saying go away, but unless somebody has something new to add, we've kind of...

[1:00:00] Chair Maude (probable): heard as we are adding so let's go ahead there hi

[1:00:05] Member of the public: my name is jessica my pronouns are she and i prefer

[1:00:08] Member of the public: not to be referred to as guys um i heard earlier in this meeting someone mentioned a neighbor that

[1:00:16] Member of the public: the tents were being built very very close together and had maybe even concerns about fire

[1:00:21] Member of the public: safety we haven't really talked about the authority of the fire chief and what they may or may not be

[1:00:28] Member of the public: able to do in terms of um inspecting the place or um asking i know they have a completely different

[1:00:36] Member of the public: set of authority and could also stop work if fire regulations were not being followed so just out

[1:00:44] Member of the public: of curiosity as a theory could you discuss the authority of the fire chief and if the fire chief

[1:00:50] Member of the public: has ever been invited onto the site to check on all these tents that are being raised i don't know

[1:00:56] Committee member (uncertain): that we would know unfortunately that they're a separate body so they don't are their their

[1:01:01] Committee member (uncertain): specific authorities don't flow from us um but there are many different approaches to every

[1:01:09] Committee member (uncertain): problem that we have and i think as a community it behoves us to avail ourselves of as many of

[1:01:14] Committee member (uncertain): them as we can when there's something serious like this we are just one process our process is slow

[1:01:21] Committee member (uncertain): but it is implacable there are many other tools in the tool with the toolkit of this community

[1:01:28] Trustee Graham: i i will say our fire department is very very responsive to any um request if there's a concern

[1:01:35] Trustee Graham: if there's a fire concern any any member of devon community can

[1:01:39] Trustee Graham: phone up to the fire chief and and

[1:01:41] Trustee Graham: they'll they'll do the work they'll they'll look at considering how dry it has been for the past

[1:01:47] Trustee Graham: That's four months.

[1:01:47] Trustee Graham: That little bit of water that fell on our land didn't do much to reduce the fire.

[1:01:52] Trustee Graham: And so if that is a concern, please, please act.

[1:01:56] Trustee Graham: Thank you.

[1:02:00] Voice 12: Sharon.

[1:02:02] Voice 12: The Otter's Trust governs land use.

[1:02:05] Member of the public: The regional district governs everything else.

[1:02:09] Member of the public: So do you have any communication or

[1:02:13] Member of the public: work

[1:02:15] Voice 12: with your regional district in any way?

[1:02:20] Member of the public: We do.

[1:02:20] Voice 12: Yeah.

[1:02:21] Voice 12: okay so things that are done the trust can't do anything about what about division of district

[1:02:28] Voice 12: because we are a part of the cbrd and they have all kinds of regulations that they

[1:02:33] Voice 12: so should the community approach the cbrd as well in your group yeah

[1:02:42] Member of the public: i i would say first off we do

[1:02:45] Chair Maude (probable): work in conjunction with each other quite closely but definitely you have an outstanding regional

[1:02:51] Chair Maude (probable): director and you know he's very responsive and it does absolutely no harm to reach out to him

[1:02:58] Chair Maude (probable): and express your independent concerns um because because that's how you get action so so definitely

[1:03:06] Chair Maude (probable): that's is is reaching up to the fire department's a good idea reaching out to the regional district

[1:03:10] Chair Maude (probable): is a good idea. No, I can't say that we haven't done those things, but as individuals, I would

[1:03:17] Chair Maude (probable): welcome you to do those things to help sort of put a little bit more pressure on things.

[1:03:21] Voice 12: Thank you. I

[1:03:24] Voice 12: think that we as a

[1:03:29] Member of the public: community should

[1:03:31] Member of the public: now turn our eyes towards

[1:03:33] Member of the public: Our

[1:03:36] Voice 12: MLA, Josie Osborne, is the Minister of Finance.

[1:03:41] Voice 12: We have someone who we can speak to that should listen to us and should understand the issue

[1:03:48] Voice 12: around the ALR and its funding.

[1:03:52] Voice 12: So my suggestion is to leave your name with Liz, and if we can gather enough storm, we

[1:04:04] Voice 12: can um and i think we should i think they have come okay thank

[1:04:12] Member of the public: you okay what was that what about

[1:04:14] Member of the public: no we're gonna have to wrap this up so we've

[1:04:16] Voice 12: had a little meeting with dodie i don't know a couple

[1:04:20] Voice 12: weeks ago there was four of us there nobody showed up she came to the island she set up a meeting

[1:04:25] Voice 12: nobody was there well it's not the best meeting for her

[1:04:29] Member of the public: so this is one that was set up she came

[1:04:32] Member of the public: guys specifically to talk to them and people even here at

[1:04:36] Member of the public: the coffee shop and there was

[1:04:37] Member of the public: maybe half a dozen that was there no there were all kinds of different places

[1:04:40] Member of the public: okay last speaker just

[1:04:49] Member of the public: a very quick question procedural question are the actual um orders

[1:04:55] Member of the public: that are being issued by the islands trust are those public record can we see how

[1:05:03] Member of the public: uh what the supposed transgressions are so that we can make our communications more pointed

[1:05:09] Member of the public: more accurate okay

[1:05:11] Member of the public: i'll ask mr dingman but generally speaking no but mr dingman

[1:05:17] Chair Maude (probable): what can you disclose about um what we're pursuing uh

[1:05:23] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: so chair we've informed the property owner

[1:05:26] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: uh what the actual permitted uses are what the non-permitted uses are that we've identified

[1:05:31] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: identified uh what the contraventions are all of that has been communicated uh to them uh really

[1:05:38] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: it's referencing what's in the land use bylaw that's what it's in referencing the setting and

[1:05:43] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: use permit bylaw uh there's no document that we would make public yet um but if the if disputed

[1:05:54] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: bylaw notices go to adjudication those will become a matter of uh public record the hearings

[1:06:01] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: is open to the public. That could happen within months if the public is interested in seeing what

[1:06:09] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: that process is like. They can attend the hearing in person or online and they'll get a copy of the

[1:06:18] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: adjudicator's decision if they make the request.

[1:06:24] Trustee Graham: So what you're saying is public access to any of

[1:06:27] Trustee Graham: that information was only available if it goes to adjudication correct

[1:06:34] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: at this time yes i can't

[1:06:36] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: receive any other document that we would release uh we don't release uh private information

[1:06:43] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: any confidential confidential information about a property owner subject to enforcement

[1:06:48] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: but once it goes before an adjudicator does become a matter of public record thank you okay

[1:06:55] Chair Maude: all right

[1:06:57] Chair Maude (probable): i've seen this one last time so there we go we like okay

[1:07:02] Voice 12: thank you

[1:07:03] Voice 12: so um this is a very engaged

[1:07:05] Voice 12: community here today and later in the agenda there's an item where the land use bylaws and

[1:07:12] Voice 12: the official community plan can go to a second reading that goes to a second reading it states

[1:07:18] Voice 12: in there that there's going to be no changes to the density or other things i.e those things could

[1:07:25] Voice 12: could not change even if you felt strongly about them in September at the public

[1:07:30] Member of the public: meeting if I understand

[1:07:32] Planner: that correctly yeah so I can respond to that so you have up until the close of the public hearing to submit any comments concerns so that would be to the close of the hearing on September 15th so this meeting the end of this meeting is not the close of any sort of public commentary you have still

[1:07:55] Planner: both of the public would

[1:07:56] Planner (probable): you have a chance so but you would have no ability to provide input

[1:07:59] Planner (probable): between the end of the public

[1:08:01] Voice 12: hearing and the third reading correct so you would need to be

[1:08:07] Voice 12: engaged in the september 15th discussion or prior to that and read the land use bylaws which impact

[1:08:15] Voice 12: all of us prior to and up until the end of the september 15th meeting there's been

[1:08:22] Voice 12: dismal attendance at these meetings over the last year um and and in conversations with neighbors

[1:08:29] Voice 12: a lack of understanding as to some of the changes that are taking place many of them I'd say 99%

[1:08:38] Voice 12: of them are great some of them raise some concern it was raised earlier such as lack of a density

[1:08:44] Voice 12: bank leaving decisions up to the trust staff to decide on density and who could be living next to

[1:08:50] Voice 12: you on your property right next to your property we've all seen that and I'd like you all to look

[1:08:58] Voice 12: at that and pretend you were sitting in someone else's property and having those those changes

[1:09:04] Voice 12: for that development happen next to you or down the street from you it's easy for us to say not

[1:09:11] Voice 19: next to me it's not my neighbor

[1:09:13] Voice 12: I don't care right but we all care about them and so I would

[1:09:18] Voice 12: respectfully like to say that we should delay the second reading of the land use bylaws until after

[1:09:24] Voice 12: we've had our september meeting not trying to

[1:09:27] Voice 19: stop it before the end of the term and the end of

[1:09:29] Voice 19: october but just to give people a little bit more time because this group's engaged but we don't

[1:09:35] Voice 19: have a lot of super engaged people on the island and i just

[1:09:40] Voice 12: think that people should understand

[1:09:41] Voice 12: what they're signing up for with the land use bylaws.

[1:09:44] Voice 12: And that's

[1:09:45] Planner: my thought.

[1:09:46] Voice 17: Thank you.

[1:09:48] Planner: I just want to say that even after second reading today,

[1:09:51] Planner: there's still time.

[1:09:52] Planner: They can still make changes.

[1:09:56] Planner: And I

[1:09:57] Voice 13: agree with you on that.

[1:09:58] Voice 13: It's just that sometimes it's in these public forums

[1:10:01] Voice 13: where

[1:10:01] Voice 12: ideas are exchanged

[1:10:03] Voice 12: and people start to realize the impact.

[1:10:06] Voice 12: And for some people, that might be too late.

[1:10:09] Voice 12: so any dialogue after that community meeting in any public forum would be too late to submit your

[1:10:14] Voice 12: comments and that i think i just want people to be aware of that so my vote would be to say to delay

[1:10:21] Voice 12: the second reading because i just don't think the community has engaged enough and maybe that's

[1:10:27] Voice 12: the community's fault but i'd like to say thank

[1:10:30] Chair Maude: you all right am i okay to go on

[1:10:38] Chair Maude: Yeah, so why don't we take a five-minute break? We'll reconvene in five minutes.

[1:10:45] Chair Maude: Thank you

[1:10:46] Voice 14: for coming

[1:10:49] Chair Maude: out because we need your voices. Thank you very much.

[1:25:39] Voice 18: Hey, we're coming up with some kids. All right, folks.

[1:25:50] Voice 19: Come on, make the

[1:25:51] Voice 19: feet talk, knock them out.

[1:25:57] Chair Maude: OK, coming back from our public

[1:25:59] Chair Maude: trespass minutes, we have minutes before us.

[1:26:04] Chair Maude: We have local trust committee special meeting minutes

[1:26:07] Chair Maude: dated July 11, 2026 for adoption.

[1:26:12] Chair Maude: Any clearance questions?

[1:26:14] Chair Maude: No.

[1:26:14] Chair Maude: So by the number said, we can adopt those minutes?

[1:26:17] Chair Maude: Yes.

[1:26:17] Chair Maude: We have local trust committee minutes dated

[1:26:19] Chair Maude: dated June 23rd, 2026, for adoption.

[1:26:24] Chair Maude: No concerns, no questions, so by general consent,

[1:26:27] Chair Maude: we will adopt those.

[1:26:28] Chair Maude: All right, this is arising from the minutes,

[1:26:31] call off action list, dated August

[1:26:33] Chair Maude: 18th, 2026.

[1:26:38] Chair Maude: Anything on your radar that you'd like to raise?

[1:26:41] Chair Maude: That is page 31, or 24.

[1:26:44] Chair Maude: Yeah, page 21, yeah.

[1:26:47] Voice 9: Yeah. We're going to be dealing with most of this today.

[1:26:51] Voice 9: I know that. So nothing

[1:26:53] Chair Maude: is awesome. Anything

[1:26:54] Chair Maude: I'm a car for the city. Okay. Excellent.

[1:26:59] Chair Maude: So we have applications and referrals on page 27

[1:27:05] Chair Maude: PLDP 2026

[1:27:08] Chair Maude: 0188

[1:27:11] Chair Maude: Blackie. So page 27 of the staff

[1:27:15] Chair Maude: report for us is the applicant with us there we are thank you i hope i didn't put your name but

[1:27:21] Chair Maude: i put your everything it

[1:27:22] Voice 12: was actually perfect which rarely happens so

[1:27:24] Chair Maude: listen i can be taught

[1:27:28] Chair Maude: there's hope for you all righty um who is our our plan for this did you over to you um

[1:27:37] Voice 12: yeah so the

[1:27:39] Voice 12: The LTC is asked to consider a development permit application that's being sought for retroactive tree removal as well as proposed construction of a residential dwelling, an antestuary garage, and septic system within the permit area that we like.

[1:27:58] Voice 12: We want to see

[1:27:58] Voice 13: a lot of big trees that are

[1:28:00] Voice 12: in the area.

[1:28:01] Voice 12: Sure.

[1:28:01] Voice 12: Thank you.

[1:28:04] Voice 12: staff recommend the so uh yeah the ltc's have to consider a development permit application

[1:28:11] Voice 12: with seeing software retroactive tree removal as well as proposed construction of a residential

[1:28:16] Voice 12: dwelling garage and septic system within development permit area number one whole

[1:28:21] Voice 12: mess bluff uh staff are recommending the ltc issue the permit because all applicable dpa

[1:28:28] Voice 12: guidelines are met uh i'll assume that all of the trustees have read the staff report absolutely

[1:28:35] Voice 12: and have any questions ready for staff the applicant and owner is available to answer

[1:28:40] Voice 12: questions as well um if you'd

[1:28:43] Trustee Graham: like to go

[1:28:43] Voice 12: into further detail i can't i mean i know we have

[1:28:45] Voice 12: a good agenda so i can leave it there if you'd like i

[1:28:49] Trustee Graham: don't need any more information thank

[1:28:51] Trustee Graham: you very much for that it was a very good report um and uh i have no concerns with the

[1:28:57] Trustee Graham: the showing the permit based on the results.

[1:29:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Yeah, I mean, obviously, and likewise,

[1:29:05] Trustee Borthwick (probable): it's a very good report.

[1:29:06] Trustee Borthwick (probable): It's clear that a ton of work has been done

[1:29:08] Trustee Borthwick (probable): by the applicant, by our staff to get to this point.

[1:29:13] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Obviously we hate to see retroactive permitting

[1:29:16] Trustee Borthwick (probable): of trade removal, but I think you've gone through,

[1:29:19] Trustee Borthwick (probable): you've clearly done a ton of work to sort of support this.

[1:29:22] And it seems like this is a fine application

[1:29:26] uh uh application from my perspective somebody wish to

[1:29:31] Trustee Graham: make a move i'll move the deminola local

[1:29:33] Trustee Graham: trust committee approved issuance of development permit pldp 2026-0189 okay call the question

[1:29:41] Trustee Graham: all in favor that carries thank you very much and i just wanted just ongoing commentary both

[1:29:48] to applicant and staff the quality of these reports is outstanding like really the amount

[1:29:53] amount of clarity. And that clarity shows how quickly we can make decisions because

[1:30:00] Because you've answered all the questions, you've satisfied the trustees, and we go forward.

[1:30:04] So

[1:30:04] Chair Maude: we're making better

[1:30:06] Trustee Graham: progress, and we do appreciate it.

[1:30:07] Trustee Graham: So thank you.

[1:30:07] Trustee Graham: You're on your way.

[1:30:08] Trustee Graham: I just want to note that the vegetation and tree removal was a previous owner.

[1:30:13] Trustee Graham: Yeah, this

[1:30:13] Trustee Graham: is something you inherited.

[1:30:16] Trustee Graham: It's a good spot for a house.

[1:30:18] Chair Maude: Thank you very much.

[1:30:20] Chair Maude: All right, so we'll move on to 10.2, page 86.

[1:30:33] Chair Maude: So

[1:30:34] Planner: the proposals to amend the OCP and land use by-law to allow for eight affordable rental

[1:30:40] Planner: housing units near the village at Percy Road.

[1:30:44] Planner: The applicant is Denman Community Housing Society, they're in the room today if you

[1:30:50] Planner: have any questions.

[1:30:51] Planner: so they also intend to

[1:30:53] Planner: own and manage the units as rent

[1:30:55] Planner: controlled affordable housing

[1:30:56] Planner: the property is currently designated

[1:30:59] Planner: institutional so an OCP amendment

[1:31:01] Planner: is required and as well

[1:31:05] Planner: by law

[1:31:05] Planner: 262 the OCP amendment would

[1:31:07] Planner: redesignate the portion of the property

[1:31:09] Planner: needed for the housing project

[1:31:11] Planner: and allocate densities required for the

[1:31:13] Planner: eight units so they would be

[1:31:15] Planner: using up entirely what's in

[1:31:17] Planner: the city bank currently

[1:31:19] Planner: and then also taking some density from the policy 12 allotment which would also get used up entirely

[1:31:29] Planner: bylaw 263 would rezone a portion of the property from institutional to art 4 affordable rental

[1:31:35] Planner: housing and it would also establish a site-specific institutional uh in5 zone for the portion of the

[1:31:42] Planner: property that's going to remain the works yard and this would allow the minimum lot area for

[1:31:48] Planner: subdivision to be reduced from one hectare to 0.82 hectares so just a small change to allow

[1:31:54] Planner: the subdivision to happen the applicant submitted the technical information requested by the ltc in

[1:32:02] Planner: december of 2025 this includes a septic concept plan and a water management plan the septic

[1:32:09] Planner: information indicates the site can support a community sewage treatment system for the

[1:32:13] Planner: proposed entity. The water management plan addresses water demand, conservation, storage

[1:32:19] Planner: and groundwater monitoring. The applicant has also applied for a provincial water license.

[1:32:25] Planner: Staff have not yet completed the technical review of the water management plan. That

[1:32:30] Planner: review will consider water quantity, quality as well as monitoring requirements. So staff

[1:32:34] Planner: will report back with any comments or recommended conditions as part of that review. The applicant

[1:32:41] Voice 17: has

[1:32:41] Planner: also submitted a draft housing agreement which staff are reviewing and that will secure the eight

[1:32:48] Planner: units as affordable rental housing so a section 219 restrictive covenant is also being considered

[1:32:55] Planner: um and potential provisions could address groundwater monitoring and reporting privacy

[1:33:01] Planner: screening um something that the ltc can decide on the scope of any covenant would come back to the

[1:33:10] Planner: LTC for direction and approval as part of the rezoning process. But right now the bylaws are

[1:33:16] Planner: here for first reading. So after first reading, staff refers bylaws to the First Nations,

[1:33:23] Planner: local governments, provincial agencies, and any other relevant organizations.

[1:33:27] Planner: An early referral was also sent to Comox First Nation and the Denman Fire Department.

[1:33:34] Planner: Staff recommend maintaining the standard 90-day referral period rather than the six weeks that's

[1:33:39] Planner: been requested by the applicant. It's intended to provide adequate time for meaningful responses,

[1:33:45] Planner: particularly given the current First Nations response time, and to reduce

[1:33:49] Planner: people's risk given that we've also let OCP implement. So if the LTC gives first reading

[1:33:56] Planner: today, the referrals would proceed. Second reading would be anticipated for January 2027,

[1:34:02] Planner: following the local government election at the fall period where no regular LTC meetings will

[1:34:08] Planner: occur. Community information meeting and public hearing could occur in spring

[1:34:13] Planner: 2027 with final adoption potentially in the summer of 2027. So if the LTC has a look at

[1:34:22] Planner: the referral agencies and organizations and would like any others included on that list let staff

[1:34:28] Planner: know today and then the LTC can also direct staff to make any further changes to the bylaws.

[1:34:35] Planner: Alternatively, the LTC could choose to give first and second reading together, though

[1:34:40] Planner: staff are recommending first reading only so that consultation and technical review

[1:34:44] Planner: can occur before proceeding for the purpose.

[1:34:48] Planner: Yeah, staff are recommending first reading to allow the violence to go forward with the

[1:34:54] Planner: referral process.

[1:34:57] Trustee Graham: Dr. Toulouse?

[1:34:59] Trustee Graham: Just a question.

[1:35:00] Trustee Graham: If we gave second reading, what does that do to the expectation of finalizing this application?

[1:35:09] Planner: First and second reading together really indicates that the LTC is very confident that these

[1:35:16] Planner: bylaws won't change, which I don't know that you can be super confident that they won't

[1:35:21] Planner: change, just given that there hasn't been an internal fact and deal on the water management

[1:35:25] Planner: twin flying nets and we haven't heard back from referral and we haven't completed the island's

[1:35:31] Planner: trust policy statement checklist so there's a few outstanding pieces that are typically

[1:35:36] Planner: done before second reading um it's up to the discretion

[1:35:43] Voice 6: whether they wanted to do both

[1:35:45] Trustee Graham: but all of that could be looked at prior to the third reading so yeah is there a time savings or

[1:35:52] Trustee Graham: not um

[1:35:53] Voice 13: not

[1:35:58] Trustee Graham: hard to say yeah hard to say it's more of a bureaucratic change it doesn't necessarily

[1:36:04] Trustee Graham: move the dial closer no

[1:36:07] Planner: because if there's even if it gets second reading today if there's

[1:36:09] Planner: amendments that need to be made it'll need to come back and then it'll just be second reading

[1:36:13] Planner: so that would take time for a step but the the bylaws can go to public hearing anytime after

[1:36:22] Planner: your first and before third so the bylaws could you know if we get referral responses back in a

[1:36:28] Planner: few months there's no changes the water management plan looks good everything's ready to go we can

[1:36:33] Planner: still go to public hearing um and then second reading would occur after that okay

[1:36:38] Trustee Graham: well that's

[1:36:39] Trustee Graham: good i didn't know that yeah okay um yeah this is a great if i may to the chair um this is a

[1:36:46] Trustee Graham: great application of society stuff great work it's a free piece of property which is so rare

[1:36:53] Trustee Graham: it's downtown which is great um you know the owners owner owned by the society which is good

[1:36:59] Trustee Graham: about patrol and unless the applicant has any requests people can move on

[1:37:05] Trustee Graham: well maybe you want to hear i i was going to say the same thing to make sure

[1:37:13] i

[1:37:14] Voice 5: saw dave in a piece of paper so just a couple of small points to reiterate around timing my

[1:37:21] Voice 5: favorite is by the way exciting lots of our other board because we're here as well um really our

[1:37:29] Voice 5: concern is the one that you've already spoken to marla says it's really one of timing and i just

[1:37:33] Voice 5: wanted to touch on why it's concerned about that you know that we have a commitment from the owner

[1:37:40] Voice 5: of mcon and we got that two years ago almost now and there's just a general concern that the longer

[1:37:48] Voice 5: we wait to actually put that in place the greater the risk is of that going away and you know we

[1:37:55] Voice 5: have direct experience in that because of pepper lane so that that concerns us the other thing is

[1:38:03] Voice 5: you know we need rezoning completed in order to do subdivision so it's kind of the first thing

[1:38:09] Voice 5: on other activities that we have to move forward and we also need the ownership transfer to have

[1:38:17] Voice 5: any reasonable chance of getting government funding you know they just are not interested

[1:38:22] Voice 5: in entertaining things that might happen so that's a big one and then the sort of more general one is

[1:38:30] Voice 5: that the community today has been super supportive of this project no negative feedback at all and

[1:38:37] Voice 5: i think the longer it takes for this project or any other project for affordable housing is that

[1:38:44] Voice 5: the you know the level of confidence goes away if people start to wonder is this really a project is

[1:38:52] Voice 5: it really going to happen and i think that is reflected in in terms of individuals willingness

[1:38:58] Voice 5: to commit abundance to the project uh you know they want to support something that is real

[1:39:04] Voice 5: and she'll assign them accordingly so that's a general concern about the timing question so

[1:39:11] Voice 5: anything that uh planners or you guys at the ltc uh can do to help move this process forward i

[1:39:18] Voice 5: think it's really appreciated for all these points now there are that includes items that are raised

[1:39:26] Voice 5: you know combining reading shortening referral periods expediting with the documents we have

[1:39:32] Voice 5: had those documents in for quite a while so any of those things would be appreciated and other than

[1:39:39] Voice 5: that uh you guys have been supportive so far marla's been great so uh just thank you for

[1:39:45] Voice 5: continuing so just

[1:39:47] Chair Maude: for my clarification uh would emcom appreciate sort of a letter saying that we

[1:39:57] Chair Maude: that we are proceeding as fast as we can but it's going to take until it sounds like probably

[1:40:04] Chair Maude: late spring early summer next year and just lay out so if we prepare some just sort of laying out

[1:40:10] Chair Maude: the timeline saying well this is proceeding but this is what it takes yeah

[1:40:14] Voice 5: just to show some

[1:40:15] Voice 5: intent i think if you said something like that and then it looks good like there's no real reasons

[1:40:21] Voice 5: that we can see that this wouldn't proceed

[1:40:23] Chair Maude: so so i asked kind of currently is that something that

[1:40:26] Chair Maude: we could produce that i could sign for it yeah

[1:40:29] Planner: like a letter to the owner would that be yeah

[1:40:32] Chair Maude: yeah yeah just

[1:40:33] Chair Maude: just laying out what what exactly you explained yeah it's just nothing's being

[1:40:38] Chair Maude: stalled but this is the process that we need to follow in order to endorse this so so i say that

[1:40:44] Chair Maude: would be

[1:40:44] Voice 5: helpful i'd prefer to just have this process done sooner yes but i think that's

[1:40:51] Chair Maude: received and i think if marlis could help me draft a letter giving the most optimistic time

[1:40:57] Chair Maude: because sometimes things don't work out the way we plan them let's figure out the way it is

[1:41:02] Chair Maude: Well,

[1:41:03] Planner: it's in the staff report. That's the timeline. We're impacted by the local, you know, the local elections.

[1:41:08] Planner: We

[1:41:08] Trustee Graham: are at that timing on that one.

[1:41:10] Trustee Graham: So do we need to do a motion on that?

[1:41:14] Trustee Graham: Yeah, I think so.

[1:41:16] Trustee Graham: So I move that the Demand Local Trust Committee requests staff to, with the chair's assistance,

[1:41:26] Trustee Graham: outlining the process to date and the expected potential final date and that's off the top of my head so it's a probably really rough really maybe

[1:41:41] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that'd be a letter to us or to

[1:41:43] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to MCOT, I believe, was the...

[1:41:46] Trustee Borthwick (probable): To MCOT.

[1:41:47] Trustee Borthwick (probable): And just maybe we'll check if Lisa's got...

[1:41:50] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Oh, I'm sure she has.

[1:41:50] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I'm sure she has.

[1:41:51] Trustee Borthwick (probable): She probably has better wording too.

[1:41:53] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I hope so.

[1:41:54] Chair Maude: So Lisa, what have you got?

[1:41:56] Voice 21: The wording as stated is that the Dem and Island Local Trust Committee

[1:42:01] Voice 21: request staff with the chair's assistance craft a letter to the society

[1:42:05] Voice 21: outlining the process to date and expectations of potential completion.

[1:42:11] Voice 21: so

[1:42:12] Trustee Graham: let's just change the two to the uh ceo of mconn

[1:42:17] Trustee Graham: i think

[1:42:19] Planner: we can just add related to application pl rz 2025 or 368 even better

[1:42:29] Planner: all right so i guess if we're happy we've got that motion then i would second okay

[1:42:42] any further discussion

[1:42:43] Chair Maude: call the question all in favor that carries we will get your letter as

[1:42:48] Chair Maude: soon as possible with

[1:42:49] Trustee Graham: respect to shortening the referral period i appreciate three months is

[1:42:53] Trustee Graham: longer than two months but history suggests that we need to give our comox first nations people

[1:43:01] Trustee Graham: enough time for them to to weigh in and because this has an official community plan

[1:43:06] Trustee Graham: plan component it's going to go to public hearing and the ministry won't they won't let it fly

[1:43:14] Trustee Graham: that we've done a proper job of referring it and to the personations that's critical because that

[1:43:21] Trustee Graham: would be just heartbreaking if we've done all this great work and the province comes back and

[1:43:25] Trustee Graham: says well we're not really satisfied you've done a proper job referring this to the person so

[1:43:31] Trustee Graham: I know it's painful but I think it's important to give 90 day referral period

[1:43:39] Trustee Graham: any further

[1:43:40] Voice 6: i could be wrong please tell me if i i mean i was gonna say i have i think

[1:43:46] perhaps more confidence in in being able to shorten that referral period

[1:43:52] Trustee Borthwick (probable): um now this is obviously anecdotal but in conversations that i've had with well actually

[1:43:58] Trustee Borthwick (probable): she's now a former counselor she stepped down from covox i know that that we've talked about

[1:44:03] Trustee Borthwick (probable): this project in particular a while back and this is exactly the sort of thing that they

[1:44:08] Trustee Borthwick (probable): they're they're keen not to stand in the way of this sort of stuff um councillor newman was very

[1:44:13] Trustee Borthwick (probable): conscious she was planning to live here at one point um and chad has not now but um so i i know

[1:44:20] Trustee Borthwick (probable): or at least in the past the the the cheating council were supportive of this kind of work

[1:44:26] Trustee Borthwick (probable): obviously we want to make sure that we give them enough time uh to do those things we didn't and

[1:44:30] Trustee Borthwick (probable): as you point out we don't want to endanger the process i think if it's still within you know

[1:44:35] Trustee Borthwick (probable): know we have minimum referral periods that we're allowed to have um that is there for a reason as

[1:44:41] Trustee Borthwick (probable): well um i have a lot of confidence in in the work that's been done i know that you guys have worked

[1:44:46] Trustee Borthwick (probable): really hard on this and i know that there is considerable community support and the risks of

[1:44:51] Trustee Borthwick (probable): long-time things in terms of exactly as you mentioned pepper lane um i i understand that i

[1:44:57] Trustee Borthwick (probable): think that yeah i so i i appreciate those risks i do think that this is a very uh strong

[1:45:05] strong plan. And so I think that we're, I would, and I certainly would hope that MCON wouldn't

[1:45:11] bail at this point in proceedings.

[1:45:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I would be comfortable with a shorter referral period,

[1:45:17] Trustee Borthwick (probable): but I do take the point of staff and Trustee Graham, but I can see, I could see my way to

[1:45:24] Trustee Borthwick (probable): doing that. I don't anticipate a lot of amendments, but I think it doesn't really

[1:45:29] Trustee Borthwick (probable): slow us down all that much to not do first or second reading today. I think that's still going

[1:45:33] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to be in the case and it will almost certainly be new trustees who are doing that or at least

[1:45:37] Trustee Borthwick (probable): one new trustee um so i there's no real harm in that part particularly but i'm

[1:45:42] Voice 5: a little bit

[1:45:43] Voice 5: of data yeah my only comment around the second reading is although it may not make any material

[1:45:51] Voice 5: difference in the time frame it's indicative yes

[1:45:54] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and i'm aware of that too yeah yeah um

[1:45:58] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and i mean it doesn't stop us from making amendments no so that's that's the other

[1:46:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): the other side of that too so i'm comfortable with with moving forward with this with with

[1:46:08] Trustee Borthwick (probable): some speed i know it's been really carefully worked on and i'm confident in those ways but

[1:46:12] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i would defer to my or i will lose your time

[1:46:15] Planner: if you look at the timeline that's laid out

[1:46:19] Planner: in the staff report um it i don't know that shortening the referral period gets us any

[1:46:25] Planner: quicker given the meeting schedule is set as it is so there's a november meeting we've been told that

[1:46:34] Planner: no we're not bringing applications forward to that meeting so whether there's wiggle room in that and

[1:46:39] Planner: i'd have to look to the director for that but um we've told don't expect to bring applications to

[1:46:45] Planner: the november meetings those are going to be orientation meetings for the new ltc um so

[1:46:51] Planner: that that's just something to consider if we shorten the referral period are we getting

[1:46:55] Planner: no

[1:46:55] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i appreciate that i think it's i mean i i understand why there's this this direction not

[1:47:01] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to take applications to that meeting but also i think the best way to learn is by doing

[1:47:04] Trustee Borthwick (probable): so i would say but put an application in front of new trustees that's how they'll learn

[1:47:08] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to some degree but you're going to be a fun trustee

[1:47:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): yes well it's good i've you know i've been trying to be a very unfun trustee so far so

[1:47:21] Trustee Borthwick (probable): So anyways, that's where I'm at with that, but I do appreciate the caution.

[1:47:28] Trustee Graham: Yeah, I'm actually comfortable doing second reading too, so that will show, as you say, it may be symbolic, but it's got some effect.

[1:47:38] Trustee Graham: So we're going to stay with the 90 days or we're going to go to

[1:47:40] Trustee Borthwick (probable): the 60 days?

[1:47:41] Trustee Borthwick (probable): well if it's not going to make a huge difference and and if if the meeting schedule is the part

[1:47:46] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that i hadn't quite twigged is actually will really chop a lot of time off no the one thing

[1:47:52] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that could

[1:47:53] Trustee Graham: consider is a december meeting well that's what i was thinking even at the november

[1:47:57] Trustee Graham: meeting the local trust committee could could ask for a december meeting if you've got the referrals

[1:48:03] Trustee Graham: everything's there don't

[1:48:07] Trustee Borthwick (probable): typically do special meetings for applications i think i think given

[1:48:12] Trustee Borthwick (probable): HAB-Jacques Juilland- know how early it will be in the term as the whole extra really a lot to add a lot of stuff going on, based on last term okay.

[1:48:20] Trustee Graham: HAB-Jacques Juilland- Well, the letter will help second reading will help yeah we can't do much on the time yeah it sounds like

[1:48:26] Trustee Borthwick (probable): it's not gonna make a big difference so yeah yeah I have a lot of confidence in this project and if it's not going to move the dial let's let's not increase our risk of not getting full some engagement.

[1:48:42] Trustee Borthwick (probable): all right all right do you want me to start sure uh i move them and i will local trust committee

[1:48:47] Trustee Borthwick (probable): bylaw number 262 cited as demon island official community plan 2008 amendment number two

[1:48:52] Trustee Borthwick (probable): 2026 be read a first time no second for the discussion call the question all in favor that

[1:48:58] Trustee Graham: carries move the demo local trust committee bylaw number 263 cited as demo island land use by 2008

[1:49:05] Trustee Graham: amendment number two 20.6 be read a first time i'll second it for the discussion call the question

[1:49:10] Trustee Graham: all in favor that carries uh

[1:49:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i move the demon island local trust committee bylaw number 262

[1:49:18] Trustee Borthwick (probable): cited as demon island official community plan 2008 amendment number 2 2026 and the demon island

[1:49:24] Trustee Borthwick (probable): local trust committee bylaw number 263 cited as demon island land use bylaw 2008 amendment 2

[1:49:30] Trustee Borthwick (probable): 2026 be referred to first nations local governments and agencies for comment

[1:49:35] Trustee Graham: i'll second that discussion question okay that carries i'm going to proceed with second reading

[1:49:43] Trustee Graham: Staff, any other concern with that?

[1:49:46] Trustee Graham: Before we go with that?

[1:49:48] Voice 18: No.

[1:49:49] Trustee Graham: I move that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee

[1:49:51] Trustee Graham: By-law number 262,

[1:49:53] Trustee Graham: cited as the Denman Island Commission Committee Plan 2008,

[1:49:56] Trustee Graham: Amendment number 2, 2026, be read a second time.

[1:49:59] Trustee Graham: Second, ma'am.

[1:50:00] Trustee Graham: For discussion,

[1:50:01] Trustee Borthwick (probable): call the question on the period.

[1:50:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): That carries.

[1:50:03] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Go ahead, sir.

[1:50:04] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I move that Denman Island Local Trust Committee

[1:50:06] Trustee Borthwick (probable): By-law number 263, cited as the Denman Island Land Use

[1:50:08] Trustee Borthwick (probable): By-law 2008, Amendment number 2, 2026,

[1:50:11] Trustee Borthwick (probable): be read a second time.

[1:50:12] Trustee Borthwick (probable): second for the discussion called the question ball pair that carries great

[1:50:17] Chair Maude: thanks thank you thank you very much let's get these built again

[1:50:21] Chair Maude: okay so moving on uh 10.3 on page 123 pl sub uh 2025-04 once nine block frontage waiver

[1:50:38] Chair Maude: Yeah,

[1:50:38] Planner: so this is a fairly straightforward request to exempt proposed lot C from the

[1:50:44] Planner: 10% highway frontage requirement section 512 of the Local Government Act.

[1:50:50] Planner: Proposed lot C is approximately 2.91 hectares in size and requires a small frontage exemption

[1:50:55] Planner: because it has 76 meters of frontage on Danes Road, while 10% of the lot perimeter would

[1:51:02] Planner: would require 78.3 meters so the exception is two meters um already got substantial access staff

[1:51:10] Planner: don't anticipate any impacts to access circulation or safety um the configuration is consistent with

[1:51:17] Planner: surrounding rural residential subdivision patterns yeah

[1:51:21] Chair Maude: there we go yeah it just

[1:51:25] Chair Maude: just seem to make a lot of comments so that local government has to be said so sometimes

[1:51:34] Chair Maude: so questions trustees no questions is a minor difference between the requirement

[1:51:43] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and what's

[1:51:44] Trustee Borthwick (probable): there traffic issues no no no no concerns for me i'm happy to make a motion i move that the

[1:51:52] Trustee Borthwick (probable): The Deming Island Local Press Committee

[1:51:53] Trustee Borthwick (probable): exempt proposed Lot C of Lot 5, Section 28,

[1:51:56] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Deming Island and Imo Districts Plan EPP 105.119

[1:52:00] Trustee Borthwick (probable): of Subdivision PL-SEB-2024-0419, Nielsen,

[1:52:08] Trustee Borthwick (probable): from the 110th Perimeter Provision of Section 512

[1:52:12] Trustee Borthwick (probable): of the Local Government Act.

[1:52:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I'll second.

[1:52:15] Trustee Borthwick (probable): For the discussion, call the

[1:52:16] Chair Maude: cartel a favor.

[1:52:18] Chair Maude: Comments, tests, is prevailed.

[1:52:20] Chair Maude: Thank you.

[1:52:21] Chair Maude: All right.

[1:52:23] Chair Maude: so now moving forward on 10.4 we have an addendum uh that was separate uh that's d-e-r-z-2023

[1:52:32] Chair Maude: one talks ranch limited lead item for you thank

[1:52:38] Voice 12: you um again so this this stock report introduces

[1:52:43] Voice 12: draft bylaws to amend the denman island official community plan and the land use bylaw to rezone

[1:52:50] Voice 12: portions of three properties from rural residential or R2 to a new site-specific zone and new

[1:52:58] Voice 12: land use designation to replace the use and density permissions in a historic land use

[1:53:02] Voice 12: contract, which expired in June 2024.

[1:53:05] Voice 12: I'm assuming you're all familiar with it at this point.

[1:53:08] Voice 12: So at your last regular business meeting in June, staff actually introduced draft bylaws

[1:53:14] Voice 12: to the LTC and identified some issues and opportunities.

[1:53:19] Voice 12: The LTC requested some information from the applicant regarding the number of guest dwellings

[1:53:25] Voice 12: as well as a final site plan in order to complete preparation of the draft bylaws and staff

[1:53:31] Voice 12: is now recommending that the OCP, the draft OCP and LUB amendment bylaws and attachments

[1:53:38] Voice 12: one and two of the staff report be given first reading as presented.

[1:53:43] Voice 12: presented. All relevant reports and background information have been provided. A complete

[1:53:50] Voice 12: table of LTC resolutions passed to date has been included in previous staff reports. So

[1:53:55] Voice 12: for this staff report, I tried to just summarize anything that has had a new status update

[1:54:01] Voice 12: that's provided, I guess, updated for this meeting. And bring your attention to the latest

[1:54:10] Voice 12: to the resolutions that were

[1:54:12] Voice 12: passed at your last meeting, so

[1:54:14] Voice 12: one of your resolutions was to

[1:54:16] Voice 12: requesting staff to draft

[1:54:18] Voice 12: the letter of understanding stating that

[1:54:20] Voice 12: the completion of a PFR

[1:54:21] Voice 12: or preliminary field

[1:54:24] Voice 12: reconnaissance report

[1:54:26] Voice 12: will satisfy the local trust

[1:54:28] Voice 12: for the needs and heritage protection requirements

[1:54:30] Voice 12: for the purposes of

[1:54:32] Voice 12: the rezoning process.

[1:54:34] Voice 12: And so staff

[1:54:36] Voice 12: looked into this after the meeting,

[1:54:38] Voice 12: at that meeting we mentioned

[1:54:40] Voice 12: we would need to get some confirmation before drafting and sending a letter.

[1:54:46] Voice 12: We did that, so the response, I guess, from staff to that particular resolution

[1:54:52] Voice 12: is that although staff don't foresee the need for additional archaeological studies

[1:54:56] Voice 12: as part of this rezoning application, you know, such as an archaeological impact assessment

[1:55:01] Voice 12: or an overview assessment, the LTC providing written confirmation

[1:55:06] Voice 12: that no further archeological information will be requested

[1:55:09] Voice 12: actually betters the LTC's decision-making authority

[1:55:12] Voice 12: and is considered ultraverous.

[1:55:15] Voice 12: The terms of reference letter,

[1:55:17] Voice 12: which was endorsed by the local trust committee last year

[1:55:20] Voice 12: on January of 2025 was the whole purpose of that letter

[1:55:25] Voice 12: was to provide as much clarity as possible

[1:55:28] Voice 12: about the level of detail requested

[1:55:30] Voice 12: from the applicant regarding archeological studies.

[1:55:33] Voice 12: So, staff referred to that for clarity and providing written clarity to the applicant

[1:55:39] Voice 12: on archaeological requirements.

[1:55:44] Voice 12: Another resolution from the last meeting, which should be with a new status update,

[1:55:50] Voice 12: the LTC requested that the applicant provide some information about the total number of

[1:55:56] Voice 12: accessory accessory dwellings including potential guest dwellings greater than 400 square feet in

[1:56:04] Voice 12: the polar area and then those equal to or smaller than 400 square feet and they also you also

[1:56:12] Voice 12: requested a final building site plan being to be included in the draft bylaw so the applicant

[1:56:18] Voice 12: provided that information after the meeting and based on everything that is provided

[1:56:23] Voice 12: staff actually recommends that rather than limiting guest dwellings or especially permitting

[1:56:30] Voice 12: guest dwellings in the

[1:56:32] Voice 12: new site-specific zone, that we just defer to other residential zones

[1:56:39] Voice 12: in the Denman Island land use bylaw currently, which allow accessory buildings to be used

[1:56:45] Voice 12: for non-paying guests, non-paying guest accommodation on a limited basis each calendar year.

[1:56:51] Voice 12: so there's a provision in the general regulations of the Dendon Island land use bylaw

[1:56:55] Voice 12: allowing accessory buildings to be used that way and we thought this will satisfy the

[1:57:00] Voice 12: discussion with the applicant and instead of creating a new definition of guest dwelling

[1:57:07] Voice 12: and then limiting that that size this is the sort of way that guest accommodation is

[1:57:14] Voice 12: dealt with in other zones and it could be the same for Colbass Ranch

[1:57:19] Voice 12: So that has been added to the land use by-law, the new draft land use by-law for each day.

[1:57:29] Voice 12: Staff are also, because of the overall floor area limit that was provided previously through

[1:57:37] Voice 12: that guest dwelling limit in the land use contract, it was limited to 400 square feet,

[1:57:43] Voice 12: staff are also now recommending limiting the overall floor area of all combined accessory

[1:57:48] Voice 12: accessory buildings for each of the 20 building sites at Comas Ranch to 200 meters squared and

[1:57:54] Voice 12: this has also been included in draft bylaw number 252 and then also staff worked with the applicant

[1:58:02] Voice 12: and the surveyor and a new building site plan has now been included in the draft bylaw which

[1:58:07] Voice 12: is more detailed and clear than the previous placeholder one that we had shown you at your

[1:58:12] Voice 12: last meeting. There were some issues and opportunities identified. The main one being that the ITPS

[1:58:23] Voice 12: policy directives checklist, the process that we do for every time a new draft file is proposed

[1:58:31] Voice 12: before first reading, staff review for consistency with the Atlas Trust policy statement, policy

[1:58:39] Voice 12: directives and staff found that the application or the draft bylaws, there's

[1:58:48] Voice 12: three different policies that have not yet been addressed. Two of them related

[1:58:53] Voice 12: to water, all of you in quantity or group of water and effects on what effects on

[1:59:01] Voice 12: mainstream uses and another one is related still to outstanding

[1:59:07] Voice 12: standing archaeological site and cultural heritage protection. So those are policies

[1:59:15] Voice 12: 4.4.2 and 4.4.3, as well as 5.6.3. So we can go into more details about those during discussion

[1:59:30] Voice 12: a little summary. Then the last opportunity or issue that has been brought up in the staff

[1:59:44] Voice 12: report is an update on restrictive covenant requirements. There's two separate section

[1:59:50] Voice 12: 219 restrictive covenants being recommended by staff prior to bylaw adoption. The LTC

[1:59:58] Voice 12: is already good in the direction that

[2:00:00] Voice 12: one conservation covenant be drafted

[2:00:01] Voice 12: to secure the historic conservation area

[2:00:04] Voice 12: on the northern parcel.

[2:00:07] Voice 12: Staff also are now recommending that the LTC

[2:00:09] Voice 12: give direction to draft an additional section 219

[2:00:12] Voice 12: of strictly covenant for future collection

[2:00:15] Voice 12: of cultural and archeological heritage

[2:00:18] Voice 12: present on all parcels.

[2:00:20] Voice 12: Again, this is in,

[2:00:22] Voice 12: this at first was going to be a heritage conservation area

[2:00:25] Voice 12: that's constantly contemplating

[2:00:27] Voice 12: if I get the correction on, that option was explored and it was found not to properly

[2:00:33] Voice 12: address archaeological protectors, so the Section 219 government is the alternative.

[2:00:40] Voice 12: Potential covering provisions could include requiring an archaeological overview assessment

[2:00:45] Voice 12: prior to any ground disturbance, restricting ground disturbance for buildings within a

[2:00:51] Voice 12: certain number of meters of the registered archaeology site, or requiring that an

[2:00:57] Voice 12: an Indigenous knowledge folder or body of watchman is present during development

[2:01:01] Voice 12: if ground disturbance is proposed in a specified location known to contain

[2:01:06] Voice 12: cultural or archaeological heritage materials or remains. So there's direction recommendations

[2:01:14] Voice 12: from staff regarding those regarding that particular section 219 research department

[2:01:22] Voice 12: comment as well and then the final recommendation from staff is regarding a referral to first

[2:01:30] Voice 12: nations local governments and agencies for comment if you're choosing to give first reading to the

[2:01:34] Voice 12: ocp uh and lub today thank you and the applicant john andrew is present today as well and i think

[2:01:44] Voice 12: he'd like to speak to that yeah

[2:01:46] Member of the public: there's a few things that i'd like to address um my name is

[2:01:49] Member of the public: Don Andrew and I represent the owners of Comus Ranch. We have about 20 different owners and

[2:01:55] Member of the public: families I should say and about 100 people. And so thanks to the LTC staff for coming to

[2:02:02] Member of the public: Denman Island and for IT staff and thanks to you guys for hearing us out again and actually

[2:02:11] Member of the public: this is a big step doing the first reading. This feels like we're actually starting to progress

[2:02:17] Member of the public: down the road to getting our zoning done or the change in zoning.

[2:02:23] Member of the public: But there's five things I want to go over.

[2:02:25] Member of the public: One is a request for the water management plan.

[2:02:30] Member of the public: So we submitted information about all of the wells,

[2:02:37] Member of the public: the water storage capacity that we have,

[2:02:40] Member of the public: which is in the many tens of thousands of liters.

[2:02:44] Member of the public: And then I have two requests.

[2:02:49] Member of the public: One goes back to August 24th in a staff report, and it says,

[2:02:56] Member of the public: received from the applicant August 24th,

[2:02:59] Member of the public: no further water quality and information is required at this time.

[2:03:04] Member of the public: We also have exactly the same wording from the meeting in June,

[2:03:09] Member of the public: no further information required.

[2:03:11] Member of the public: required. Last week, we get a letter from staff saying that they want a water management

[2:03:20] Member of the public: plan. And one of the things at the last local trust meeting, Trustee Graham stated that

[2:03:29] Member of the public: Demmon Islanders are resourceful and know how to manage their water resources. I will

[2:03:37] Member of the public: We'll read you something that we're concerned about

[2:03:45] Member of the public: the proposed requirement for a water management plan.

[2:03:47] Member of the public: We've understood that this issue was largely dealt with

[2:03:50] Member of the public: at the previous local trust meeting

[2:03:56] Member of the public: where trustee Graham rightly pointed out

[2:03:59] Member of the public: that Dem and Islanders are resourced

[2:04:00] Member of the public: so we'll know how to manage their water.

[2:04:03] Member of the public: Comus Ranch is an existing long established community.

[2:04:07] Member of the public: The property has been continually occupied

[2:04:09] Member of the public: since 1928, and 20

[2:04:11] Member of the public: homes were built during the 70s, 80s, and

[2:04:13] Member of the public: 90s. The majority

[2:04:15] Member of the public: of these occupied since the

[2:04:17] Member of the public: 70s. All of the homes

[2:04:19] Member of the public: have adequate water, and some have

[2:04:21] Member of the public: more than one well, and most have

[2:04:23] Member of the public: water filtration.

[2:04:26] Member of the public: The owners know

[2:04:27] Member of the public: their individual water system. If a well

[2:04:29] Member of the public: has a lower output, the

[2:04:30] Member of the public: owner manages consumption accordingly

[2:04:33] Member of the public: and when necessary, supplements the water.

[2:04:36] Member of the public: The cisterns

[2:04:37] Member of the public: or storage tanks as many of us on the property have done. I in particular have 44,000 gallons

[2:04:43] Member of the public: of water for backup and we haven't run out of water for years. Anyways, I don't know if the

[2:04:53] Member of the public: staff is aware of what the costs are doing our water management plan and having found this out

[2:04:58] Member of the public: just a number of days ago, I had to scramble around and get some quotes. So we've received a

[2:05:07] Member of the public: quote from current environmental limited there in um in courtney indicating that just to do the

[2:05:15] Member of the public: water quality tests for 24 wells would cost approximately 500 per well plus a thousand

[2:05:22] Member of the public: dollars of labor per day so that's 14 000 for just determining water quality many of the owners

[2:05:30] Member of the public: already have water quality tests that they've undertaken, taken on their own. We have one.

[2:05:38] Member of the public: Some of them are, I don't know if the paperwork exists or not. We can try to endeavor to track

[2:05:44] Member of the public: down any water permits or quality tests that have been done. Anyways, the second part is

[2:05:53] Member of the public: we received a quote from Groundwater Solutions in Nanaimo, and they do output tests. And the

[2:06:00] Member of the public: way the wording is, it's unclear whether we're required to do well output tests. Their estimate

[2:06:08] Member of the public: was to do a single well test is $15,000. We have 24 wells and they've said that if we had to do

[2:06:16] Member of the public: all 24, there would be an economy of scale and we've got about 5,000 plus taxes and traveling

[2:06:24] Member of the public: cost. That's $120,000 for that. I got a third quote, too, from a company in Nanaimo, and they

[2:06:34] Member of the public: suggested it would be less than that. But it's still very expensive, and it's really time

[2:06:39] Member of the public: consuming. A guy has to come out, measure a well, let it sit for a period of hours,

[2:06:45] Member of the public: four to 24 hours, come back, measure what the output was, calculate how much the well produced,

[2:06:50] Member of the public: and see if it produces it.

[2:06:52] Member of the public: And I'm not sure to what end this is.

[2:06:55] Member of the public: We've been doing this for 50 years.

[2:06:57] Member of the public: We have tons of water.

[2:07:01] Member of the public: It's not an issue.

[2:07:03] Member of the public: And I think it's just onerous to be asking us,

[2:07:07] Member of the public: especially at such a late date.

[2:07:09] Member of the public: And many of our owners are retired.

[2:07:13] Member of the public: They're not wealthy, they're on fixed incomes.

[2:07:16] Member of the public: And this is a substantial financial burden to them.

[2:07:21] Member of the public: um and it's over and above the eighty thousand dollars that we have spent

[2:07:27] Member of the public: or about to spend so far um doing our survey doing all of the legal work that's been required

[2:07:35] Member of the public: um and this is just to us piling on one more significant expense so anyways i would

[2:07:45] Member of the public: request that the local trust committee pass a motion rescinding the request to do a water

[2:07:53] Member of the public: management plan we will submit any more information that the staff requires that we can

[2:08:00] Member of the public: accumulate but not to go to the um extreme of having to do all of what's been requested in

[2:08:09] Member of the public: a water management plan so i don't know whether the local trust committee consider that

[2:08:16] That's my suggestion. You've got a number of points there, but I'd like to

[2:08:19] Trustee Graham: deal with them as they come up, if that works for everybody.

[2:08:23] Sure.

[2:08:23] Trustee Graham: Okay, so if I may. Thank you, John.

[2:08:29] Yeah, just taking a step back, the provincial government asked our local government to bring your property up to current zoning standards because they axed the contract that we had operated under for 50 years.

[2:08:45] Trustee Graham: And so that's what we've been trying to do.

[2:08:50] Trustee Graham: This is asking for a water management plan.

[2:08:55] Trustee Graham: To me, it doesn't make any sense at all.

[2:08:58] Trustee Graham: You've got a 50-year history of using water.

[2:09:00] Trustee Graham: This is not a brand new development.

[2:09:02] Trustee Graham: And it's a little bit, I think this is overreach

[2:09:05] Trustee Graham: for the local trust committee to be asking this kind of information.

[2:09:10] Trustee Graham: And despite the costs, just as a rational decision,

[2:09:16] Voice 10: we you

[2:09:17] Trustee Graham: supplied us with the information that we asked for and i was quite comfortable with that

[2:09:22] Trustee Graham: we know where the wells are we know where your subject field fields are um but to go this extra

[2:09:27] step i'm not happy with that i won't be i

[2:09:30] Trustee Graham: won't be a supportive i'm adding that to the to the

[2:09:33] Trustee Graham: requirement for this resilient application i don't see any requirement for that uh again i

[2:09:41] Trustee Graham: think this is an overreach that's just my feeling thank

[2:09:44] Trustee Borthwick (probable): you um yeah i mean i want to i want to just

[2:09:50] Trustee Borthwick (probable): ask staff quickly just based on what you were talking about in terms of output tests is that

[2:09:54] Trustee Borthwick (probable): specifically part of the water management plan that would be requested requested

[2:10:00] Trustee Borthwick (probable): you may not know that which is

[2:10:01] Voice 6: fine also but i'm just curious if you do that

[2:10:05] Voice 12: yeah so it would be

[2:10:09] Voice 12: Good question for the freshwater specialist, standard water management plans that, you know, staff and maybe Planner McCarrick can help speak to this as well, but for most rezoning applications, where a certain density of residential wells being contemplated, there's a water management plan request with standard environments, water sources, water quality,

[2:10:38] Voice 12: recharging protection areas but we

[2:10:42] Trustee Borthwick (probable): don't know specifically

[2:10:42] Voice 12: about the

[2:10:43] Trustee Borthwick (probable): specific well

[2:10:45] Voice 12: well

[2:10:46] Voice 12: yeah

[2:10:46] Trustee Borthwick (probable): is that typically is that typically something we would expect to be part of that

[2:10:57] Planner: yes

[2:10:57] Trustee Borthwick (probable): yeah okay that's something that

[2:11:00] Planner: you've asked about a rezoning yeah no no i

[2:11:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i know so and yeah

[2:11:03] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Yeah, I mean, obviously, most rezonings are not looking at doing 21 houses, 20 houses at once.

[2:11:12] Trustee Borthwick (probable): And so obviously, there's this huge, it's a huge thing.

[2:11:16] It is important that we are, like, as a part of bringing this, you know, trying to capture what's changing

[2:11:25] Trustee Borthwick (probable): from the LUC to regular zoning.

[2:11:27] Trustee Borthwick (probable): It's important, and I think you talked about it in other parts of our dialogue that we've had in the past, about making sure that you're being treated the same as other properties, and I think that's important.

[2:11:38] Trustee Borthwick (probable): That said, this is not a place where we're considering new density.

[2:11:42] This is existing density, and obviously things have changed over time.

[2:11:49] by the same token for other properties that have been owned all the way through and maybe haven't

[2:11:56] gone through rezoning

[2:11:57] Trustee Borthwick (probable): we're not necessarily banging on doors asking for water uh water

[2:12:01] Trustee Borthwick (probable): management plans to the best of my knowledge like that

[2:12:03] Planner: that would be an overreaction and so

[2:12:05] Trustee Borthwick (probable): so what i'm saying is in this case this is a very specific anachronistic change from a land

[2:12:11] Trustee Borthwick (probable): use contract to there isn't a proposed change there isn't a subdivision happening there isn't

[2:12:17] Trustee Borthwick (probable): we're not we're not initiating a new process and considering new density we are trying to capture

[2:12:22] Trustee Borthwick (probable): existing density and i i completely understand where staff are coming from in terms of it

[2:12:26] Trustee Borthwick (probable): like this is we're dealing with a little lot of a lot of uh a lot of homes and a lot of different

[2:12:32] Trustee Borthwick (probable): water systems we're not adding anything no no i totally and that's that yeah and i've said that

[2:12:36] Trustee Borthwick (probable): too i understand where they're coming from in terms of like we would like to get as much

[2:12:41] Trustee Borthwick (probable): information so that we know that we're having this sort of thing and i think similarly um

[2:12:46] Trustee Borthwick (probable): This is a lot, and we wouldn't be asking this if it wasn't for a very weird piece of legislation that existed for four years in the 70s, and that very quickly was discarded by the province.

[2:12:57] Trustee Borthwick (probable): So given that there's not a huge change, I'm not, I understand the thing.

[2:13:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): And yes, I mean, whatever information, and I don't know if there's another lesser standard to which we can just ask to like, you know, some, you know, if you, a lot of people have those water purity or water quality assessments.

[2:13:16] Trustee Borthwick (probable): um, you know, we obviously, the reason for us to want to know these things is want to know that

[2:13:20] Trustee Borthwick (probable): you guys are okay. Um, and I, I understand, but we also can't just necessarily like, as

[2:13:26] Trustee Borthwick (probable): our job is to, to hold ourselves to a higher standard of care than just we're cool. So I,

[2:13:34] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I understand where that request is coming from. Nevertheless, like, I, I don't think that we

[2:13:38] Trustee Borthwick (probable): would be applying this level of rigor if this wasn't for a very specific uh change um i i i

[2:13:46] Trustee Borthwick (probable): would be fine with with waiving that requirement um obviously i want to if there's more discussion

[2:13:51] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to be had and i don't know if our chair wants to weigh in at all but uh you know and i do really

[2:13:56] Trustee Borthwick (probable): appreciate where staff are coming from i just think this is a this is a very anachronistic

[2:14:00] Trustee Borthwick (probable): stick situation uh and i yeah we we don't necessarily want to make this a a much larger

[2:14:08] uh ask

[2:14:09] Trustee Borthwick (probable): of you than is equitable if we wouldn't be doing this to someone else if we're not going

[2:14:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): around asking for other properties to make that demonstration i'm fine with it there's a world

[2:14:19] Trustee Borthwick (probable): in which we could go around and ask everyone to prove their water um and that would be useful

[2:14:23] Trustee Borthwick (probable): useful information but we're not getting that so yeah no i i think we might be just sort of

[2:14:32] over interpreting the policy statement because the policy statement basically speaks more about

[2:14:39] development and and making changes that will result in

[2:14:45] Chair Maude: changes to water use or water consumption

[2:14:48] Chair Maude: and in that this is not really a proposal for development this is basically a proposal basically

[2:14:54] Chair Maude: to enable what is already there and I'm just asking staff is there the word of spin is

[2:15:01] Chair Maude: inappropriate but is there a way that to tick off the policy statement boxes that we can sort of

[2:15:09] Chair Maude: accept of a lower standard given that this is all existing these are not development proposals

[2:15:15] Chair Maude: these are basically proven that it works so can they can the LTC be satisfied with a lower

[2:15:24] Chair Maude: standard so

[2:15:26] Planner: the LTC can be satisfied with whatever the LTC decides but I think in order to check off

[2:15:32] Planner: the box and for staff to move this forward saying that these I have the ITPS checklist is

[2:15:42] Voice 8: complete we

[2:15:43] Planner: would need some information to determine whether or not you know these

[2:15:48] Planner: policies relating to water are met but that being said that staff you know as you know can

[2:15:54] Planner: can say something and the LTC can say,

[2:15:57] Planner: no, we are satisfied that this

[2:15:58] Trustee Borthwick (probable): meets.

[2:16:00] Trustee Borthwick (probable): And I guess that's the question is,

[2:16:01] Trustee Borthwick (probable): is there a less comprehensive, at least like,

[2:16:06] Trustee Borthwick (probable): if things are working and you are gonna be the people

[2:16:13] most impacted if they don't,

[2:16:16] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I don't wanna be entirely laissez-faire here,

[2:16:18] Trustee Borthwick (probable): but also if you guys have some indications

[2:16:21] Trustee Borthwick (probable): of the health of your wells and water systems,

[2:16:24] Trustee Borthwick (probable): is there a summary that they could provide

[2:16:27] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that potentially doesn't require the very expensive tests?

[2:16:35] Trustee Borthwick (probable): That's, I guess, that's my question.

[2:16:39] Planner: I mean, if it's

[2:16:41] Planner: an anecdotal sort of summary,

[2:16:43] Planner: we can review it,

[2:16:45] Planner: but that would be up to the freshwater specialist,

[2:16:48] Planner: and I don't think that's gonna satisfy,

[2:16:49] Planner: fine but like i said the

[2:16:52] Trustee Borthwick (probable): ltc has full discretion yeah i'm aware i'm just trying to get source out

[2:16:55] Trustee Borthwick (probable): all my options first i'd

[2:16:58] Voice 12: also just like to clarify right there's existing density it has existed

[2:17:04] Voice 12: you know it was built throughout the 70s 80s 90s saving abuse permits were issued for dwelling

[2:17:10] Voice 12: units uh under the land use contract part of the reason why stopper also bringing up water again is

[2:17:17] Voice 12: that one of the conditions of the land use contract which was not which was like a semi-public

[2:17:23] Voice 12: semi-private contract with the landowners um one of the conditions of that contract was proof of

[2:17:31] Voice 12: water proof of potable water in a much smaller amount than the standards of today um you know

[2:17:37] Voice 12: with changes um so so many different pressures um but but that legs that okay well was proof

[2:17:44] Voice 12: with water required over the years and now if ltc is faced with the decision to update the official

[2:17:52] Voice 12: community plan land use designation update their land use bylaw to reflect what exists there now

[2:18:00] Voice 12: and then this is the opportunity to double check okay water quality quantity

[2:18:07] Trustee Borthwick (probable): so there's a concern potentially that so this was a requirement of the land use contract and we i

[2:18:13] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I think, and I am not currently on the page of,

[2:18:16] I feel like you mentioned that point

[2:18:18] in your staff report as well.

[2:18:21] And part of the question is that we feel like

[2:18:23] we don't have the receipts

[2:18:24] Trustee Borthwick (probable): for that process

[2:18:26] Trustee Borthwick (probable): as it existed under the land use contracts,

[2:18:28] Trustee Borthwick (probable): historically, is that, I'm getting that, okay.

[2:18:31] Trustee Borthwick (probable): So, and that's where I'm sort of trying to wonder,

[2:18:33] Trustee Borthwick (probable): is there a lower standard?

[2:18:34] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Not necessarily, we don't have to go back

[2:18:36] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to the 1970 standard of water.

[2:18:39] Trustee Borthwick (probable): We should probably not,

[2:18:40] Trustee Borthwick (probable): But that's why I'm wondering if there is a, if there are certain components, like the more expensive components of this that we can perhaps exempt, but maybe say, yeah, we'd like to see like low water quality tests are not super, super expensive from what I understand.

[2:18:58] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Okay. Still much less than $5,000 per well. My question is, we do have a duty to make

[2:19:04] Trustee Borthwick (probable): sure that we're examining this in some depth and making sure that we're upholding our end

[2:19:08] Trustee Borthwick (probable): of that contract. And perhaps it doesn't have to be as fulsome as the application test.

[2:19:15] Member of the public: So this is a, why test the well? Why not test the water that's coming out of the tap?

[2:19:20] Member of the public: Yeah.

[2:19:20] Member of the public: Because, first of all, almost everyone has filtration, UV treatment, and both carbon and particulate filtering.

[2:19:31] Member of the public: Measuring a well makes no sense whatsoever.

[2:19:36] Member of the public: Yes?

[2:19:37] Voice 12: I think it's semantics. It would be tested at the top.

[2:19:40] Voice 12: Water quality tests would be done at the top.

[2:19:42] Member of the public: Water quality tests, according to the consultants, is taken out of the well.

[2:19:47] Trustee Graham: Oh, okay.

[2:19:48] Member of the public: So if there's a request for water testing, maybe that's something that you can compromise on.

[2:19:57] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Yeah, I know in some cases you do both.

[2:19:59] Trustee Borthwick (probable): So say, for example, I know a property that I work at occasionally, we test the well water.

[2:20:04] Trustee Borthwick (probable): We have to demonstrate the well water and the post filtration, just because that shows you the difference of what's being done there.

[2:20:11] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Now, they're doing a food safe. It's a business that's different.

[2:20:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): So that's a different standard.

[2:20:15] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Very different.

[2:20:15] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Yeah, just, yeah.

[2:20:18] Trustee Graham: yeah so um

[2:20:19] Trustee Graham: so just looking at 4.4.2 it's pretty clear that this particular uh item

[2:20:31] Trustee Graham: with respect to um changes in density and intensity of land use and problems with quality

[2:20:40] Trustee Graham: and quantity we have 50 years history of this property we don't need proof the proof is the

[2:20:49] Trustee Graham: the fact that these people have been living here for 50 years drinking the water and dealing with

[2:20:53] Trustee Graham: it as islanders do the reason you would test the well water is so that you could design your

[2:20:57] Trustee Graham: filtration system which you all have done if you had too much iron you were we were adding another

[2:21:03] Member of the public: hose

[2:21:03] Trustee Graham: exactly but your your density is done your intensity is done you've been drinking the water

[2:21:10] Trustee Graham: for 50 years i think 4.4.2 needs to be ticked myself because there's no change in density or

[2:21:16] Trustee Graham: intensity. There's no to have known to have a problem with quality or quantity

[2:21:22] Trustee Graham: or supply of fresh water. There obviously isn't a problem because they've been

[2:21:25] Trustee Graham: living there for 50 years. There's a problem when they're not living there

[2:21:28] Trustee Graham: and now people want to live there. That's when you start worrying, let's see what

[2:21:33] Trustee Graham: the water looks like. But this has been continually lived on for 50 years and

[2:21:37] Trustee Graham: And the province has simply asked us to replicate the use that they were adding under the contract with the current zone.

[2:21:49] Trustee Graham: That's what we should be doing here.

[2:21:50] Trustee Graham: This is definitely overreaching, in my opinion.

[2:21:53] Trustee Graham: And I know I'm not a freshwater specialist, but I can guarantee you that 50 years' history on any piece of property is worth way more than a consultant's report.

[2:22:06] And so, if, like, I know this is not currently

[2:22:10] Trustee Borthwick (probable): contemplated, but say, for example, if they were planning to add another welling, they would then, at that point, have to submit a water management plan for that under...

[2:22:20] Trustee Borthwick (probable): You can't add another welling.

[2:22:21] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I know this is a purely hypothetical, but like in terms of, or like say for example, something terrible happens in a building has to be removed or it gets, you know, rebuilt in a different way. They're starting from scratch in terms of a new setting and use permit.

[2:22:35] Trustee Borthwick (probable): There would be water management requirements as part of the setting and use permit. Am I correct?

[2:22:42] Voice 12: Sorry, an additional.

[2:22:44] Voice 12: Additional

[2:22:45] Trustee Borthwick (probable): or replacing something that, yeah.

[2:22:47] Voice 12: No, the rezoning is the time to, this checklist is really rare.

[2:22:53] Voice 12: yeah yeah

[2:22:54] Trustee Borthwick (probable): okay that's that's was a side side question um yeah i think we've batted this around

[2:23:05] Trustee Borthwick (probable): um do we want to move on to the next point from john or do we want to talk more i

[2:23:12] Trustee Graham: think we should

[2:23:13] Trustee Graham: make a decision whether we're going to request um what our amazon plan is resounding i'm not

[2:23:19] Trustee Graham: going to support it so that would be imagine that would be a motion to report that requirement

[2:23:23] Trustee Graham: to review that

[2:23:25] Trustee Borthwick (probable): requirement. That's where I'm at.

[2:23:27] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Well, don't we have to make a motion to request that?

[2:23:30] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Yeah, we have a motion ahead of that.

[2:23:32] Trustee Borthwick (probable): There's no motion that's been made, but there's a...

[2:23:35] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Yeah,

[2:23:35] Planner: there's a proposal,

[2:23:36] Trustee Borthwick (probable): so we just don't have to make that motion in the first place.

[2:23:38] Trustee Borthwick (probable): We're not going to make a motion to audit it.

[2:23:39] Trustee Borthwick (probable): A

[2:23:40] Member of the public: motion to rescind the request.

[2:23:43] Planner: There's no need to rescind the request.

[2:23:45] Planner: They just make motions or they don't make motions, and that's what goes on the record.

[2:23:49] Member of the public: Yeah, because it

[2:23:50] Member of the public: was... because it... yeah.

[2:23:51] Planner: Yeah. So

[2:23:51] Member of the public: will this impede the rezoning process? If we don't have to do a water management plan?

[2:24:00] Trustee Graham: If we decided that we don't need that to move forward with rezoning, then that's what we don't need.

[2:24:06] Trustee Graham: That's all we care about. Exactly.

[2:24:11] Trustee Graham: Let's look at 4.4.3 because that also relates to water. Can you explain to me what in streams in this particular case?

[2:24:22] 4

[2:24:27] Trustee Graham: .4.3 is to ensure that measures that ensure water use is not to the detriment of in-stream

[2:24:35] Trustee Graham: uses and it's not ticked and i'm curious to know why it's not ticked why is that considered

[2:24:41] Trustee Graham: not compliant with that particular requirement i

[2:24:44] Chair Maude: would assume that's drawing down that numbers

[2:24:49] Chair Maude: so so again you know i think it's sort of i think it's a subject to interpretation because

[2:24:56] Chair Maude: in that there's no changes it's going to be the same so unless there's some other piece

[2:25:06] Voice 12: maybe something you know speaking of a freshwater specialist to get clarity on exactly what that

[2:25:13] Voice 12: means um yeah i guess not affecting other other uses not affecting i

[2:25:22] Trustee Borthwick (probable): don't know that there's a

[2:25:23] Trustee Borthwick (probable): way to measure because we don't have a there'd be no baseline to measure against there's these

[2:25:27] Trustee Borthwick (probable): places

[2:25:27] Chair Maude: are extended so there's no there's no proposed additional draw there's no i i just

[2:25:36] Chair Maude: think that box

[2:25:37] Trustee Borthwick (probable): could be tagged

[2:25:37] Chair Maude: well

[2:25:40] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i mean presumably that comes to the executive to

[2:25:43] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to look at once we propose once we oh that's the thing is

[2:25:46] Chair Maude: you have you it is the ltc text of boxes

[2:25:50] Chair Maude: and then exactly executive reviews yeah exactly well

[2:25:55] Planner: the ltp have to make the motion that the

[2:25:57] Planner: the bylaws are consistent with the island's trust policy statement um if and then that would go

[2:26:03] Planner: forward to the executive committee to review and to see if and staff might write in that report

[2:26:09] Planner: if they believed that this was not consistent

[2:26:12] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and we should see what yeah so that's the only

[2:26:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): place but but at this point we can say we are satisfied whether aec agrees with us

[2:26:19] Trustee Borthwick (probable): but that's we can't predict or support say what they would do so i think from what i'm hearing

[2:26:26] I'm we're not creating a new thing here um this

[2:26:31] Trustee Borthwick (probable): this exists I'm not I'm not inclined to to to push

[2:26:35] Trustee Borthwick (probable): for a water management plan at this point but that's not making a motion that's good aren't

[2:26:39] Voice 15: we allowed to give some information just defining like in-stream use from the floor or no but

[2:26:45] Trustee Borthwick (probable): like

[2:26:46] Voice 15: the in-stream use if we're not talking about fish or whatever might be right of run you put your own

[2:26:52] Voice 15: little hydro plant in the stream you don't take water out put water in you don't have any stream

[2:26:56] Voice 15: yeah so this is not applicable yeah

[2:26:59] Member of the public: that's assuming stream is actually referring to a creek

[2:27:03] Member of the public: or uh the ones that we have on a property or ephemeral so they disappear in most of the year

[2:27:09] Member of the public: most of the summer i'm pretty

[2:27:12] Chair Maude: sure it also applies to aquifers but as i say no matter

[2:27:16] Chair Maude: about how we're defining it because there's not a change of use yeah um or a change of quantity

[2:27:22] Chair Maude: a change of i i feel it's comfortable to protect that boston so but i think we can proceed yeah i

[2:27:31] mean this is this is a it's

[2:27:35] Trustee Borthwick (probable): a double that we don't we don't have to we we're not compelled to make

[2:27:38] Trustee Borthwick (probable): the motion that we we just don't make that component great okay you

[2:27:42] Trustee Graham: have other things

[2:27:43] Trustee Graham: on here um

[2:27:44] Member of the public: yeah i've just got a couple more quick ones the pfr the preliminary field reconnaissance

[2:27:48] Member of the public: is taking place on september the 8th excellent um and i don't know how to be completed in a couple

[2:27:56] Member of the public: of days and then i don't know how long the report will submit it to island's trust as soon as you

[2:28:01] Member of the public: get it um the third item is the maximum site coverage and just so you know on page seven

[2:28:09] Member of the public: there's a typo um it says on one hand that it's 150 square meters for accessory buildings on the

[2:28:17] Member of the public: previous pages 200 meters of accessory buildings and we're not going to argue that one it's um

[2:28:31] Member of the public: but i will explain one thing and it's got to do with um maximum site coverage

[2:28:38] Member of the public: which is defined as 200 square meters, I believe, for all the accessory buildings, 300 meters for the principal residence, and 5% of the area.

[2:28:57] Member of the public: Now, one of the things that we tried to explain to IMS Trust and to the LTC is that we do

[2:29:05] Member of the public: not have lots.

[2:29:08] Member of the public: We have 20 houses on one piece of property that is held as tenants in common.

[2:29:14] Member of the public: And if you look up the definition of tenants in common under British Columbia legislature,

[2:29:20] Member of the public: it's a percentage interest in a piece of land.

[2:29:24] Member of the public: In our case, our agreements between all the shareholders say, you own 1 20th of one huge parcel of land.

[2:29:34] Member of the public: And there are lines that we have defined. They're not even legally surveyed.

[2:29:40] Member of the public: They were surveyed by one of our owners so that in generations down the road,

[2:29:45] Member of the public: everyone knows where they're in. It's called the area of exclusive use.

[2:29:51] Member of the public: they're not lots they're not building lots as described by the staff they are

[2:30:00] Member of the public: they're imaginary lines drawn so neighbors don't have conflict and it was all agreed to about 10

[2:30:06] Member of the public: years ago so in looking at the site coverage the five percent should represent all of the

[2:30:14] Member of the public: structures on on the one big property it's one big piece of property not broken up into these

[2:30:20] Member of the public: individual lots they've included in the staff report a graph of the size of each what they

[2:30:26] Member of the public: described as building lots they're imaginary um so i mean that i'm just pointing that out because

[2:30:33] Member of the public: um in the future it may turn out this i think one of the particularly small lots we haven't measured

[2:30:40] Member of the public: it could be over five percent it's possible but in the great scheme of things the fact that it's

[2:30:46] Member of the public: one great big piece of property the number the site coverage is way way under five percent

[2:30:53] Member of the public: so just wanted to point that out um so john those those

[2:30:56] Trustee Graham: lines are actually arbitrary aren't they

[2:30:58] Trustee Graham: they're they were ordered for everything as a group we

[2:31:01] Member of the public: agreed to them as a group but they're

[2:31:04] Member of the public: your internal map yeah i don't care what to do with any legal

[2:31:09] Trustee Graham: design i live on exactly the same

[2:31:12] Trustee Graham: property on yours yeah one lot six houses and we arbitrarily chose this is what we call our

[2:31:19] Trustee Graham: exclusivities so i like your idea of taking five percent of the total area it makes much more sense

[2:31:25] Trustee Graham: uh because of the way you're construed constructed yeah yeah yeah and those divisions don't mean

[2:31:31] Trustee Graham: anything

[2:31:31] Member of the public: to us from a legal sense i don't know so um just out of interest when we all purchase

[2:31:38] Member of the public: a property um previous the guy who did the development literally said you get from that

[2:31:45] Member of the public: that rock there, that tree over there,

[2:31:47] Voice 9: that

[2:31:48] Member of the public: was how we were told our property. Well, finally,

[2:31:51] Member of the public: you know, we all agreed that, well, actually, that tree is, has a point on it, certainly not.

[2:31:58] Voice 6: Yes.

[2:31:59] Member of the public: So that's, the final one is the request for adjacent consultation, which is...

[2:32:13] Member of the public: would

[2:32:13] Planner: it be easier to speak to each kind of issue that you're bringing up rather

[2:32:17] Chair Maude: so we're talking with the previous talk about i believe it's schedule a2

[2:32:21] Chair Maude: so

[2:32:23] Voice 12: schedule a1 and a2 okay

[2:32:25] Chair Maude: yeah so

[2:32:27] Voice 12: just for some background maybe if i may

[2:32:31] Voice 12: yeah the

[2:32:32] Voice 12: reason for proposing that schedule a2 table showing building site number site area

[2:32:39] Voice 12: area and hectares for each building site, and then the 5% maximum lot coverage calculation

[2:32:45] Voice 12: is because, historically, any time the Siting and Use Permit has been applied for at Colmice

[2:32:50] Voice 12: Ranch, calculating lot coverage means finding out every single building and structure on

[2:32:58] Voice 12: the parcel, which, since there are 20 different dwellings, is a very difficult piece of information

[2:33:06] Voice 12: to obtain every single time any owner applies for a little building on their property on their

[2:33:14] Voice 12: area of exclusive use they have to provide every single other structure and building

[2:33:21] Voice 12: on this huge multi-hectare area so this is a way to break it down site by site the schedule a1

[2:33:32] Voice 12: has fine print saying that each building site is not a separate legal parcel under the land title

[2:33:38] Voice 12: act or the strata property act so there's clarity in the bylaw about that um these were the the

[2:33:44] Voice 12: building sites that's why they're called the you know that was the information provided by your

[2:33:49] Voice 12: surveyor showing internal building sites agree to these areas exclusive so this was a way to

[2:33:58] Voice 12: make it much easier to determine lot coverage if anyone applies for anything in the future

[2:34:04] Voice 12: very quickly without having to ask for all the other information about all other small structures

[2:34:10] Voice 12: and buildings every other part of this parcel these two parcels actually have two property ids

[2:34:17] Voice 12: so this is the answer this was the

[2:34:20] Planner: tool this was the way of setting up the bylaw

[2:34:22] Planner: makes it easier for all for the owners and also makes it easier for staff to determine because

[2:34:27] Planner: it's that's something that we've noted in the past it's been really difficult to get all that

[2:34:31] Planner: information so we can calculate and determine what happened so

[2:34:36] Chair Maude: so basically it's a it's an

[2:34:38] Chair Maude: informative table not regulatory that would be updated if there's any well

[2:34:45] Planner: in order to be updated

[2:34:46] Planner: you can't just update so if there were changes that you're anticipating if we could hire now

[2:34:53] Planner: sector now and get these areas of exclusive use as close to what they are as possible that would

[2:34:59] Planner: make it a lot easier in the future for when someone wants to build something on their site

[2:35:04] Planner: i

[2:35:04] Member of the public: think the only concern is if anybody's over the five percent then what happens and i don't think

[2:35:10] Member of the public: anyone is but have you as i don't stress i calculated the outro um building coverage on

[2:35:19] Member of the public: this

[2:35:19] Voice 12: building and structural coverage uh not for every single building site no um that's something

[2:35:25] Voice 12: that we need to look into um you know some yeah like looking at this schedule a2 then

[2:35:32] Member of the public: we have a

[2:35:32] Member of the public: baseline some

[2:35:33] Voice 12: lots are much larger than others some lots are one almost two over two hectares

[2:35:38] Voice 12: and some are um one acre right on the cap of a hectare so there is variation um for sure the

[2:35:48] Voice 12: five percent maximum block coverage was proposed across the board so you know it's still based on

[2:35:56] Voice 12: size so it's not length it's still okay if you have this exclusive area of use you get

[2:36:02] Voice 12: this to work with which is the case for most other legal proposals and also but

[2:36:08] Chair Maude: what's the

[2:36:09] Chair Maude: purpose of a2 because if it's not regulatory if the numbers mean nothing it is regulatory

[2:36:18] Voice 12: This schedule would be, you know, the by-laws, the by-law language earlier mentioned Schedule

[2:36:26] Voice 12: 82, mentioned building lock coverage.

[2:36:29] Chair Maude: But that's my question.

[2:36:30] Chair Maude: If they're building sites and lock coverage is about the human total, how can we regulate

[2:36:38] Chair Maude: the individual building sites if the building sites don't exist legally?

[2:36:43] Voice 12: It's a site-specific zone.

[2:36:45] Chair Maude: You

[2:36:45] Voice 12: can regulate lock coverage of different areas of different site-specific zones.

[2:36:52] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Well, I just want to have a clarifying thing here. So this pertains a little bit to what

[2:36:57] Trustee Borthwick (probable): John was just saying in terms of like, there's not an intent as far as I'm aware to do a

[2:37:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): ton of extra building. Obviously, we have to have, we can't look at it, we can't just

[2:37:10] Trustee Borthwick (probable): say, well, I think we'll ever get built again. But like, we're trying to establish a good

[2:37:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): baseline in terms of what the regulation ought to be, right?

[2:37:16] Trustee Borthwick (probable): If we want to

[2:37:17] Member of the public: build more, we would have to apply for a very...

[2:37:19] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Exactly.

[2:37:20] Member of the public: So

[2:37:20] Trustee Borthwick (probable): my...

[2:37:22] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Yeah, so assuming that...

[2:37:23] Trustee Borthwick (probable): We have to look at that.

[2:37:25] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Assuming that non-attendance is planned

[2:37:30] and that anything that would be going in further,

[2:37:33] they would then need to make a...

[2:37:35] There would need to be a setting of use permit

[2:37:37] that would be measured against that coverage.

[2:37:39] Trustee Borthwick (probable): So if, for example, one of these building sites,

[2:37:44] Trustee Borthwick (probable): zones of exclusive use,

[2:37:46] Trustee Borthwick (probable): was over the five percent but wanted to build a woodshed or something they would still have to

[2:37:53] Trustee Borthwick (probable): apply to do that and then it would be like well technically you're over the five percent but

[2:37:56] Trustee Borthwick (probable): at this point we could talk about a variance am i imagining this scenario vaguely correctly

[2:38:03] Voice 6: yeah but

[2:38:04] Trustee Borthwick (probable): but we're not about to go around and say well you're over the five percent so actually

[2:38:07] Trustee Borthwick (probable): we're going to chop off half your living room like that's we're

[2:38:09] Planner: not doing any of that it would

[2:38:10] Planner: be a little exercise

[2:38:11] Planner: to calculate what each building site is at in terms of lot coverage

[2:38:15] Planner: we could do that in

[2:38:15] Trustee Borthwick (probable): any case it doesn't seem to me maybe they're all well that's kind

[2:38:19] Trustee Borthwick (probable): of my point is

[2:38:20] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that i don't know that this really is going to cut like even if they are at 5.1 percent if they're

[2:38:25] Trustee Borthwick (probable): not planning to build anything else well

[2:38:27] Planner: we already have signing these permits like in advance for

[2:38:30] Planner: kumas ranch so yeah just they're not building new dwellings but there's renovations that happen

[2:38:34] Planner: there's little additions there's wood sheds there's buildings so that but surely those

[2:38:39] Trustee Borthwick (probable): can be dealt with as they come up but this makes it so much easier yeah no no

[2:38:43] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that's what i want

[2:38:43] Trustee Borthwick (probable): But in theory, none of this, maybe none of this is actually, maybe this limitation isn't

[2:38:52] Trustee Borthwick (probable): a contravention, divided, regardless of what it's based on, whether it's based on the whole

[2:38:55] Trustee Borthwick (probable): property or the plot, it may not be that it's an issue at all.

[2:38:59] Trustee Borthwick (probable): And we could probably deal with those things.

[2:39:01] Trustee Borthwick (probable): The calculation of,

[2:39:02] Member of the public: that would be great, then we'll know.

[2:39:04] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Yeah, okay.

[2:39:05] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Yeah.

[2:39:05] Trustee Borthwick (probable): All right.

[2:39:06] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Yeah.

[2:39:06] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I think it's probably not worth losing a lot of sleep over, is there any sense?

[2:39:10] Trustee Borthwick (probable): as i was reading it before but i and i'm glad that that does seem to be the case but nevertheless

[2:39:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i think it was good and

[2:39:16] Planner: in a sense that also helps to make it a little bit more equitable

[2:39:20] Planner: between the owners so if you have you're looking at a whole lot it's really whoever

[2:39:24] Planner: needs been there first i mean i think one person can have yeah but that's really what i need to

[2:39:30] Planner: deal with that's not there

[2:39:31] Planner: we should have been i'm just saying as another totally

[2:39:33] Trustee Borthwick (probable): no i i understand

[2:39:34] Trustee Borthwick (probable): what you need i understand what you mean but that's between that's for them to fight

[2:39:40] Voice 12: this single family dwelling it's a gross floor area limit it's different than total lot coverage

[2:39:46] Voice 12: yeah right lot coverage is a percentage of all buildings and structures that cover a lot

[2:39:51] Voice 12: gross floor area means you know all the stories in the building there's a specific condition of

[2:39:58] Voice 12: gross floor area so having you know um a house that's 300 square meters maximum and then having

[2:40:08] Voice 12: all combined accessory buildings with gross floor area of 200 meters and that was a typo on that

[2:40:15] Voice 12: page the bylaw itself says 200 meters um like that is uh you know a comp that's been used in

[2:40:24] Voice 12: other bylaws the 300 meter spread is something that the LTC is contemplating for their

[2:40:29] Voice 12: and their update the land use bylaw for residential zone yeah so

[2:40:34] Voice 12: that's why

[2:40:36] Voice 12: that answers your question

[2:40:38] Trustee Graham: john are you being singled out no you're actually we're all going

[2:40:41] Trustee Graham: to be in the same yeah um maximum floor area and it's broken yes and some some people will

[2:40:49] Trustee Graham: be legally at the end of that exercise yeah

[2:40:53] Voice 18: that's

[2:40:54] Trustee Graham: just like yeah you can live in a legally

[2:40:56] Trustee Graham: non-conforming building forever it burns down well we're legally non-conforming now

[2:41:05] Voice 12: and the 200 meters squared for accessory buildings has to do with the fact that it is a sense

[2:41:12] Voice 12: that it's been like this sensitive site but there are the village village site archaeological

[2:41:18] Voice 12: heritage everywhere so limiting it's still a lot to work with 200 meters squared for

[2:41:25] Voice 12: other buildings for accessory buildings on each building parcel so so that's that was

[2:41:32] Voice 12: that number yeah

[2:41:33] Member of the public: i don't think i need to exceed that now um but

[2:41:36] Voice 12: we will look into another

[2:41:39] Voice 12: that's for the law coverage yeah um

[2:41:42] Member of the public: so the final point is if you long enough

[2:41:47] Member of the public: um just adjacent consultation that's listed in the staff report and um i gather it's consulting with

[2:41:56] Member of the public: adjacent properties

[2:41:59] Member of the public: or adjacent

[2:42:00] Member of the public: it's kind of a vague request

[2:42:02] Member of the public: but it says adjacent municipalities

[2:42:05] Member of the public: well I guess

[2:42:07] Member of the public: Courtney is an adjacent municipality

[2:42:09] Member of the public: we live on an island

[2:42:12] Member of the public: Cumberland is an adjacent

[2:42:13] Member of the public: community or Powell River is an adjacent

[2:42:15] Member of the public: community

[2:42:17] Member of the public: some of the requests for the

[2:42:19] Member of the public: consultation and who the consultation

[2:42:21] Member of the public: is to be directed to

[2:42:23] Member of the public: makes no sense it's just

[2:42:27] Member of the public: overreach? I mean, are you really going to talk to... We have a really

[2:42:30] Planner: specific list of

[2:42:33] Planner: agencies that

[2:42:34] Trustee Borthwick (probable): we can consult with. Yeah, in the staff report I think there's an example of other

[2:42:39] Trustee Borthwick (probable): things that we could ask for, but I don't think we're required to ask any of those.

[2:42:45] Voice 12: So the list of

[2:42:47] Voice 12: First Nations agencies and local governments that was in the previous rezoning staff report

[2:42:53] Voice 12: front of the farm list that we used earlier today tracks the list the same system which is standard

[2:42:59] Planner: so it's Comox Valley Regional District the school district uh Hormiana Local Trust Committee

[2:43:05] Planner: the Denman Fire Department Island Health and the Ministry of Housing and Mutual Affairs

[2:43:10] Planner: and

[2:43:11] Member of the public: those are just required it'd be great but is it going to slow up the process we're in

[2:43:16] Member of the public: four years into it now and um these things are sprung on us sometimes i mean if you can get

[2:43:24] Member of the public: from the ministry of education how long is that going to take to get the

[2:43:30] Planner: 90-day referral period

[2:43:32] Planner: and

[2:43:32] Member of the public: if they don't respond we don't wait for them okay it's once that

[2:43:35] Trustee Borthwick (probable): period is up it's up well i

[2:43:36] Member of the public: don't like first nations sometimes they do an extension too yeah yeah well

[2:43:41] Voice 12: we have been we did

[2:43:43] Voice 12: earlier for that very reason so a lot of nations will not be surprised getting this and knowing

[2:43:50] Voice 12: okay there's 90 days now it's in that formal yeah

[2:43:53] Member of the public: okay so as long as it's 90 days yeah yeah this is

[2:43:56] Member of the public: this is standard this is normal and

[2:43:58] Voice 12: this is just the local government it's not really something

[2:44:01] Voice 12: that the lgc can do yeah we cannot follow the provincial legislations

[2:44:06] Trustee Borthwick (probable): okay but that won't be

[2:44:08] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that yeah i don't imagine the school board has to have a bunch to say about it but you never know

[2:44:15] Member of the public: well that's all I have to say

[2:44:17] Member of the public: and I do want to thank

[2:44:19] Member of the public: the three of you and

[2:44:21] Member of the public: the island's trust staff

[2:44:23] Member of the public: it's the report that

[2:44:26] Member of the public: was submitted for this meeting

[2:44:27] Member of the public: it's 409 pages long

[2:44:30] Member of the public: it's a lot of work

[2:44:32] Member of the public: so anyhow

[2:44:34] Member of the public: I'm done thank you

[2:44:35] Member of the public: you're

[2:44:36] Trustee Graham: not going to run for the trust is that what you're saying

[2:44:38] Trustee Graham: I've been asked

[2:44:39] Trustee Graham: no I'm not

[2:44:42] Chair Maude: okay

[2:44:43] Chair Maude: okay okay thank you all right trustees where do you want to land here

[2:44:49] Trustee Graham: let's uh so we're okay making these motions and they won't trigger this uh fresh water

[2:45:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): yeah so we

[2:45:03] Trustee Borthwick (probable): don't have that and

[2:45:04] Voice 6: i would think

[2:45:06] Trustee Borthwick (probable): with that probably you would be removing directives

[2:45:10] Trustee Borthwick (probable): 4.4.2 and 4.1.3 from that as well yeah well then because if you're not referring to the

[2:45:18] Trustee Borthwick (probable): sure

[2:45:18] Voice 12: yeah so yeah i think that the ltc should make a motion uh that they've determined that

[2:45:28] Voice 12: policies and stress policy statement directives 4.4.2 4.4.3 um have been met

[2:45:37] Planner: okay well i think

[2:45:40] Planner: that it would be we have standard resolution wording for uh consistent with the itps so

[2:45:45] Planner: right we can just bring that up and just do this let's bring that resolution

[2:45:50] Voice 12: something along those lines yeah there might be four words

[2:45:54] Trustee Borthwick (probable): um should we go ahead and starting

[2:45:59] Trustee Borthwick (probable): with some of these other ones in the meantime or do you want to take a second i

[2:46:03] Voice 12: i did want to just

[2:46:04] Voice 12: quickly mention something that didn't get a chance there is in the draft bylaw on the final page of

[2:46:11] Voice 12: draft bylaw at land use bylaw there is a condition it's table i just wanted to draw the lt to the

[2:46:17] Voice 12: ltc's conditions of use it's on page 21 of the addendum um so this is a like talking about a

[2:46:27] Voice 12: water management plan is one thing this is something actually where uh cisterns for the

[2:46:32] Voice 12: storage of rain water the minimum storage capacity of 18 thousand liters would be required for this

[2:46:40] Voice 12: this future savings permit application

[2:46:42] Voice 22: so

[2:46:43] Voice 12: just just so you know that is something um from what

[2:46:47] Voice 12: I understand many of the owners already have great rainwater catchment systems and have been using

[2:46:52] Voice 12: those for years this would be something that as buildings and dwellings uh need to be replaced

[2:47:00] Voice 12: so many years in the future um this cistern requirement would be part of it just so that

[2:47:06] Voice 12: everyone is absolutely fine yeah this

[2:47:08] Trustee Borthwick (probable): is us trying to catch up

[2:47:12] Voice 9: yeah

[2:47:13] Voice 12: which is something that maybe a lot of the building sites already have they they already

[2:47:18] Voice 12: have certain

[2:47:18] Voice 5: yeah they

[2:47:20] Voice 5: need to do great water collections would that apply to like a like

[2:47:25] Voice 5: it's the same experience for that

[2:47:26] Voice 12: extension to the house yes um i already have a system

[2:47:35] Voice 18: i

[2:47:39] Voice 14: think it'd

[2:47:45] Voice 12: be yeah that's a good question whether to clarify the wording in the in the

[2:47:49] Voice 12: petition to say you

[2:47:51] Trustee Graham: know for a new building as

[2:47:52] Trustee Graham: opposed to amending an existing

[2:47:56] Voice 12: well not

[2:47:57] Voice 12: necessarily amending an existing setting used for it but building a new dwelling like like

[2:48:02] Voice 12: tearing down an old dwelling and replacing it with a new dwelling and getting a signing

[2:48:06] Voice 12: use permit that makes sense i mean

[2:48:08] Voice 12: to the ltc yeah the

[2:48:09] Trustee Borthwick (probable): way i would read it is unless a building or

[2:48:12] Trustee Borthwick (probable): structure on the same building site is equivalent to that so even if like you're building doing an

[2:48:16] extension for example as long as yeah it sounds like in this case you have a sister

[2:48:22] Trustee Borthwick (probable): then that would be satisfying i would think already in this case

[2:48:27] Voice 12: it's i think that the ltc should talk about this because do you want if someone applies

[2:48:32] Voice 12: for sending a use permit to increase the size of their dwelling that's already existing that use

[2:48:38] Voice 12: has been existing but a setting use permit is being issued for a building that is used for

[2:48:45] Voice 12: a dwelling for an extension will that rain water catchment system requirement apply or not so i

[2:48:54] Voice 12: think getting really clear on that well

[2:48:55] Trustee Graham: i would think if there's no plumbing in that addition

[2:48:59] Trustee Graham: Then you're not increasing the water use. Why would you need another. But it's a bit. It's tricky right because if you're if you're adding a bedroom. That means you're getting more people. That's true. That's right.

[2:49:16] Trustee Graham: We don't have to do that today.

[2:49:18] Trustee Graham: It

[2:49:19] Voice 12: would be ideal.

[2:49:25] Voice 12: yeah

[2:49:25] Trustee Borthwick (probable): so my my reading of this is is so for say for example um say this is there's a building

[2:49:33] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that does not currently have a green water attachment thing they are making some modifications

[2:49:36] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to the building as a as a condition of allowing them to build an addition we would say and you

[2:49:43] Trustee Borthwick (probable): also should add this um i think that's consistent with what we're generally trying to encourage

[2:49:48] Trustee Borthwick (probable): use-wise across the island I don't think there's a problem with the condition as it stands

[2:49:52] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and obviously in every case there's always a chance for applicants to request variances to

[2:49:58] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to to the plan in one way or another and that would be something that the LTC can discuss but

[2:50:03] Trustee Borthwick (probable): like I think this is consistent if we're trying to say hey those of you who don't have rainwater

[2:50:08] Trustee Borthwick (probable): attachment and you want to make it you want to make a change to your house at this point we are

[2:50:11] Trustee Borthwick (probable): going to say actually yeah you should probably probably have a sister I think that's consistent

[2:50:16] Trustee Borthwick (probable): with what they were trying to encourage generally um if it says if it's a matter of consternation

[2:50:22] Trustee Borthwick (probable): how did you write that into that requirement that it's captured well i think i think that

[2:50:28] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that's how i read it now yeah okay i'm happy with it

[2:50:31] Voice 12: there is there is an open a citing and use

[2:50:34] Voice 12: permit application that was submitted last year that

[2:50:37] Voice 9: would

[2:50:40] Voice 12: say you would need to see on the same

[2:50:42] Voice 12: use permit indication of sure but

[2:50:45] Trustee Borthwick (probable): you're saying that you have a sister you

[2:50:47] Voice 5: know in the application

[2:50:48] Voice 5: i didn't think yeah

[2:50:49] Trustee Borthwick (probable): yeah no that's indication

[2:50:50] Voice 5: where the sister sure

[2:50:51] Trustee Borthwick (probable): sure sure but we made so

[2:50:53] Trustee Borthwick (probable): maybe that staff are asking you to hey where's your sister okay but that doesn't seem like it's

[2:50:57] Trustee Borthwick (probable): a huge also seems like yeah my heart is like maybe this is a little bit moot but also i think it's

[2:51:04] Trustee Borthwick (probable): generally the the instruction there generally is heading in the right direction i agree

[2:51:08] Trustee Borthwick (probable): read all

[2:51:09] Voice 12: right and this condition has been used recently in updates to your island bylaws it's a

[2:51:15] Voice 12: very good okay

[2:51:17] Trustee Graham: this is the new reality water management all right how

[2:51:24] Voice 6: do we where uh you

[2:51:26] Voice 6: guys were i

[2:51:27] Planner: sent an email just regarding the resolution wording for the policy statements

[2:51:33] Planner: okay

[2:51:34] Trustee Graham: so i'll start with the first motion so i move that the dam trust committee bylaw number 252

[2:51:39] Trustee Graham: Sited as Denman Island Official Community Plan By-law number 185, Amendment number 1, 2025.

[2:51:45] Trustee Graham: Be read a first time.

[2:51:46] Trustee Graham: I will second.

[2:51:47] Trustee Graham: In discussion,

[2:51:48] Trustee Borthwick (probable): we call a question.

[2:51:49] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Carried.

[2:51:50] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I move that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee By-law number 253, cited as Denman Island Land Use By-law 2008, Amendment number 1, 2025.

[2:51:59] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Be read a first time.

[2:51:59] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I'll second.

[2:52:00] Trustee Borthwick (probable): In discussion, we call a question.

[2:52:03] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Carried.

[2:52:04] Trustee Borthwick (probable): And so then number three, this is where we would have the email.

[2:52:07] Trustee Borthwick (probable): This is the resolution.

[2:52:08] Trustee Borthwick (probable): you've got that here and then i'm right in just that that will replace recommendation three

[2:52:15] Trustee Borthwick (probable): yeah yeah all right uh i move that the devon island local trust committee has reviewed

[2:52:20] Trustee Borthwick (probable): uh the island's trust policy statement directives only checklist and determined the bylaw number

[2:52:24] Trustee Borthwick (probable): 252 cited as the devon island official community plan bylaw number 185 and amendment of the 1

[2:52:30] Trustee Borthwick (probable): 2025 is not a con not contrary or to or at variance with the island's trust policy statement

[2:52:37] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i'll second it a question of favor jerry sorry

[2:52:42] Voice 12: because the preliminary field reconnaissance

[2:52:44] Voice 12: has still oh

[2:52:46] Voice 6: right okay so i

[2:52:48] Voice 12: just we didn't catch that quickly enough sorry well we can

[2:52:51] Voice 6: what do we do we mean we don't vote we didn't we did vote so we can walk that out

[2:53:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that's where i was wondering that's why i checked before yeah um okay so so

[2:53:08] Voice 12: you'd have to pass you

[2:53:10] Voice 12: know that the denman island local trust committee is determined that um the following information

[2:53:16] Voice 12: is required to address yeah so

[2:53:18] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that's what i was wondering

[2:53:19] Voice 12: policy 5.6.3 that's okay that one is

[2:53:23] Voice 12: still you know happening um prior to public hearing so the same wording just from yeah yeah

[2:53:31] Trustee Borthwick (probable): so that's that's what i have been thinking of doing do we need to do anything to present our

[2:53:36] Trustee Borthwick (probable): previous one or

[2:53:37] Planner: yeah yeah yeah so i guess those resolutions that are not just

[2:53:41] Planner: the one right

[2:53:44] Voice 12: it's just the one resolution you could make a resolution still saying that you've determined

[2:53:51] Voice 12: that 4.4.2 and 4.4.3 are consistent for absolute clarity because you've decided yes well I think

[2:54:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): well because the way I would think about this just and say to disagree but I think if we we

[2:54:10] Trustee Borthwick (probable): can say that it is consistent with the policy statement and then if we make a motion now saying

[2:54:17] uh talk

[2:54:18] Trustee Borthwick (probable): about 5.6.3 that that requires the pfr or do we need to walk back that right

[2:54:27] Trustee Borthwick (probable): well i think it's not consistent statement evidence right now

[2:54:30] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that's my point yeah that's

[2:54:32] Trustee Borthwick (probable): my point so so but it's not enough for us to just be handling the top we should rescind the previous

[2:54:37] Trustee Borthwick (probable): one okay am i right i think so okay and then is this um so i don't actually i've never done this

[2:54:49] Trustee Borthwick (probable): so what is the process for so let's

[2:54:52] Chair Maude: let's defer to um lisa millard who probably has seen this

[2:54:56] Chair Maude: many many times please how do we resend what we just did chair

[2:55:03] Voice 21: mod if the local trust committee

[2:55:06] Voice 21: uh rescinds the previous motion numbered de202 de-2026 dash and then i'll enter the number of

[2:55:18] Voice 21: of what that motion is.

[2:55:21] Chair Maude: So are you comfortable if we just say so moved?

[2:55:26] Voice 21: If you give me a moment,

[2:55:28] Voice 21: I can give you a number and language.

[2:55:30] Voice 21: I would just need like one minute.

[2:55:32] Voice 12: No worries.

[2:55:32] Voice 12: I need the department to break it.

[2:55:37] Voice 9: Go ahead gentlemen.

[2:55:44] Voice 12: And

[2:55:44] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I wonder this, I was wondering about it

[2:55:46] Trustee Borthwick (probable): cause I was like, well, we still have

[2:55:47] Voice 12: the one that's.

[2:55:51] Chair Maude: we got it we got it and we're not going to rush because we're missing a trustee

[2:56:09] Voice 18: so i've never resented the file

[2:56:19] Voice 9: davis we'll probably go to the trust council

[2:56:21] Voice 9: So it's not because I had everything I could do.

[2:56:24] Voice 12: Yeah.

[2:56:25] Voice 12: For now, they need to clarify that it's

[2:56:29] Voice 12: .

[2:56:30] Voice 12: Yeah, but it's .

[2:56:34] Voice 12: It's happening.

[2:56:37] Then I asked her if I could use your screen, too.

[2:56:41] Well,

[2:56:41] Voice 9: because there is a

[2:56:44] Voice 12: presentation on the screen.

[2:56:47] Voice 12: But do we need to stop you from doing that, too?

[2:56:51] Voice 12: Sure.

[2:56:52] Voice 12: They can just leave it.

[2:56:54] Voice 12: They don't have to leave it.

[2:56:56] Voice 12: Okay, I know.

[2:56:58] We'll

[2:57:02] Voice 12: have a conversation.

[2:57:06] Voice 12: Yeah.

[2:57:35] Voice 18: It's very long,

[2:57:46] Voice 6: first of all.

[2:57:48] Voice 6: We're minutes away from breaking, so.

[2:57:53] Voice 9: Yeah, the next one is 240 pages.

[2:58:00] All right.

[2:58:04] Chair Maude: So we're just waiting for Lisa to come back.

[2:58:07] Chair Maude: Yeah, I suggested we're eating this thing. We're trying to figure back. Oh, sure.

[2:58:13] Trustee Graham: You

[2:58:20] Voice 9: know, it's to do with salary. Don't just

[2:58:27] Chair Maude: sort of eliminate.

[2:58:29] Chair Maude: Yeah, I was worried about the use of that list that will disappear to the number

[2:58:36] Trustee Graham: four.

[2:58:38] Trustee Graham: Now, we still we have to one time to restrict income. Yeah.

[2:58:43] Voice 6: yeah

[2:58:44] Voice 9: yeah do we want to take a second and do that while lisa's working right here yeah

[2:58:48] Voice 9: yeah but

[2:58:49] Trustee Graham: i want to talk about requiring an archaeological overview assessment

[2:58:53] Trustee Graham: well

[2:58:53] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that is uh so that would be a condition that's not requiring that as a part of this

[2:58:59] Trustee Borthwick (probable): process it would be requiring it in few areas there was planned ground strikes right say that

[2:59:07] Voice 12: that's the potential provision

[2:59:22] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I move the resolution DE-2026-065 that quotes that the Denman Island Local Trust Committee

[2:59:33] Trustee Borthwick (probable): has reviewed the island's trust policy statement directives only checklist and determined that

[2:59:37] Trustee Borthwick (probable): bylaw number 252 cited as Denman Island official community plan bylaw number 185

[2:59:41] Trustee Borthwick (probable): amendment number 1 2025 is not and quotes is not a contrary to or a variance with the island's

[2:59:48] Trustee Borthwick (probable): trust policy statement and quotes uh be rescinded call

[2:59:54] Chair Maude: the question on paper we

[2:59:56] Trustee Borthwick (probable): rescinded thank you

[3:00:00] Trustee Borthwick (probable): thank you very much so now i will go forward and i'm going to just remove the prior uh policy

[3:00:07] Trustee Borthwick (probable): directives uh and uh and the one point yeah okay uh i move that the demo now local trust committee

[3:00:17] Trustee Borthwick (probable): has determined that the following information is required to address island's trust policy

[3:00:21] Trustee Borthwick (probable): statement directive 5.6.3 prior to public hearing for bylaws number 252 and 253 cited as demo

[3:00:29] Trustee Borthwick (probable): island official community plan number 185 amendment number one 2025 and demo island land

[3:00:35] Trustee Borthwick (probable): use bylaw 2008 amendment 2025 uh a preliminary field reconnaissance as outlined in the terms

[3:00:42] Trustee Borthwick (probable): of reference letter dated january 21st 2025. i'll second it yeah call question on the paper

[3:00:48] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that carries and we know that that's coming absolutely that's great all right so now we're

[3:00:59] Trustee Borthwick (probable): We're talking about the section 219 restrictive covenant. So there's one that's already considered

[3:01:10] Trustee Borthwick (probable): as part of this broader application. This would be a second covenant. And I don't know.

[3:01:17] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Yeah. Do we want to talk about it? Thanks. I know we've got a bit of an interview. Margo's

[3:01:24] Trustee Borthwick (probable): already given us a bit of a background to this.

[3:01:31] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I move that the Dunman Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prepare a draft

[3:01:38] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Section 219 Restrictive Covenant in consultation with the applicant and the Commonwealth First

[3:01:42] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Nation for DE-RZ-2023.1 with the following potential provisions.

[3:01:49] Trustee Borthwick (probable): A, requiring an archaeological overview assessment prior to ground disturbance.

[3:01:54] Trustee Borthwick (probable): B, restricting ground disturbance within a certain number of meters of a specified area

[3:01:58] Trustee Borthwick (probable): or a registered archaeological site and c requiring that an indigenous knowledge holder

[3:02:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): or guardian watchman is present during development within an area known to contain cultural or

[3:02:07] Trustee Borthwick (probable): archaeological heritage materials or

[3:02:08] Voice 6: remains just

[3:02:12] Trustee Graham: before i second that i don't really define ground

[3:02:18] Trustee Graham: disturbance so that's pretty open i mean to require a guardian watchman to be present for me

[3:02:27] Trustee Graham: to rototill-like gardening which involves ground disturbance seems over overstepping the requirement

[3:02:34] Trustee Graham: is there some way that we can substantial ground disturbance can we that

[3:02:41] Voice 12: term is also used by the

[3:02:43] Voice 12: heritage conservation act so it would be this any ground i mean it's in a put a shovel

[3:02:52] Trustee Borthwick (probable): in a ground

[3:02:53] Trustee Borthwick (probable): on ground that's ground just i mean i know the recommendation from the covox their preference

[3:02:57] Trustee Borthwick (probable): is for raised beds for gardening typically but that's again how we're well the motion reads

[3:03:07] potential provisions

[3:03:08] Trustee Borthwick (probable): yes so this is the i think these details could potentially be hashed out

[3:03:12] Trustee Borthwick (probable): between the applicant and the commons and staff but and

[3:03:16] Voice 12: much of this is based on early engagement

[3:03:19] Voice 12: with commons first nation with our technology staff

[3:03:22] Trustee Graham: let's say with in consultation with the

[3:03:25] Trustee Graham: yeah okay all right uh i'll second it okay for

[3:03:30] Chair Maude: the discussion call the question all favor carries

[3:03:34] and then we're on a roll uh i move that proposed bylaws number 252 and 253 be referred to first

[3:03:41] Chair Maude: nations local governments and agencies for conflict second for the discussion call the

[3:03:45] Chair Maude: question well favored we want to take a 30-minute lunch break absolutely sounds like a good call

[3:03:51] Chair Maude: All right, we're on a 30-minute lunch break.

[3:03:56] Chair Maude: Thank you, everybody, for your patience.

[3:35:04] Voice 21: We're in your audio and video are on, and

[3:37:18] Voice 18: we're coming back,

[3:37:23] Voice 9: so

[3:37:24] Chair Maude: we're in good shape

[3:37:29] Chair Maude: here.

[3:37:29] Chair Maude: All right.

[3:37:31] Chair Maude: So now we move on to 11, which is page 141, the making of the Democrat Housing Review

[3:37:39] Chair Maude: view OCP plan and land use file numbers 260 and 264 stack report um do you want to see if you get

[3:37:47] Chair Maude: on the screen tell you um that was the words of magic here and we'll hand it over to planner

[3:37:54] Chair Maude: Chadwick from the thriving metropolis of victoria uh

[3:37:59] Planner Chadwick: thank you chairman uh sorry i couldn't be there

[3:38:02] Planner Chadwick: with you all today we're

[3:38:04] Voice 17: missing you but

[3:38:06] Planner Chadwick: i will i intend to be there um on september the 15th

[3:38:11] Planner Chadwick: um for the the public hearing um i'm excited to see that we're we're moving um

[3:38:18] Planner Chadwick: we're moving forward with this um and potentially we'll be able to get to um third reading by the

[3:38:23] Planner Chadwick: end of term and so that really i think speaks a lot to the good work of the of the ltc um so here

[3:38:30] Planner Chadwick: The purpose of this report is to present the bylaws for second reading, and the bylaws have incorporated some changes that have been received through referral, and we've identified a number of those in the staff report in the chart there.

[3:38:55] Planner Chadwick: And in addition to that, we received some comments from Island Health, and those have also been incorporated, and we've got an email was sent to the trustees identifying what those changes would be, and we have a resolution that very specifically identifies those changes.

[3:39:19] Planner Chadwick: is. So, and I think Marlis has that available and can share in a moment what those are.

[3:39:29] Planner Chadwick: Interestingly, Marlis, you sent me the email, but for some weird reason, it's not opening for me.

[3:39:35] Planner Chadwick: The other resolution that's here, put forward here, is related to identifying critical aquifer

[3:39:45] Planner Chadwick: protection development permit area as a top project

[3:39:48] Planner Chadwick: to basically

[3:39:53] Planner Chadwick: support the implementation of the housing

[3:39:57] Planner Chadwick: review project. The emphasis was

[3:40:01] Planner Chadwick: balancing housing with the environment. And while we've

[3:40:05] Planner Chadwick: managed to identify ways to do that on

[3:40:09] Planner Chadwick: an island-wide scale, we have

[3:40:13] Planner Chadwick: have not gone as far as to identify protections on the lot.

[3:40:22] Planner Chadwick: And so that's where the critical aquifer protection development

[3:40:30] Planner Chadwick: permit area would be helpful.

[3:40:32] Planner Chadwick: And we have the data to do that, so it would be a minor project.

[3:40:38] Planner Chadwick: So at this point, I will open up the floor to trustees

[3:40:44] Planner Chadwick: for comments, questions.

[3:40:49] Chair Maude: Comments and questions, trustees.

[3:40:50] Chair Maude: Who wants to? Trustee Graham,

[3:40:52] Chair Maude: apparently you're first.

[3:40:54] Trustee Graham: There's a few little things that I noticed.

[3:40:58] Trustee Graham: This is a good time to catch it.

[3:40:59] Trustee Graham: So page 156,

[3:41:02] Trustee Graham: the last sentence of that paragraph,

[3:41:05] Trustee Graham: you've got

[3:41:06] Trustee Graham: across and there traditional

[3:41:08] Trustee Graham: territories. Across and there

[3:41:09] Trustee Graham: requires a space between those two words.

[3:41:12] Trustee Graham: I know that's pretty minor, but if we catch it

[3:41:14] Trustee Graham: now,

[3:41:14] Trustee Graham: Now, it will

[3:41:15] Trustee Graham: be embarrassing.

[3:41:17] Trustee Graham: Where?

[3:41:18] Trustee Graham: Page 156, the large paragraph, the first paragraph, the last line starts with the word across.

[3:41:27] Trustee Graham: And right against it is the word there.

[3:41:30] Planner Chadwick: Who needs to pick?

[3:41:31] Trustee Graham: The bottom of the page.

[3:41:32] Trustee Graham: Not quite the bottom

[3:41:34] Trustee Graham: of the page.

[3:41:35] Trustee Graham: Oh, yes.

[3:41:35] Trustee Graham: Got it?

[3:41:36] Planner: Yeah.

[3:41:37] Planner: That, I think, yes, we can fix.

[3:41:40] Planner: Okay.

[3:41:41] Voice 8: There.

[3:41:41] Voice 8: Good.

[3:41:43] Voice 12: it's just really mine now i love the typos

[3:41:46] Voice 12: and

[3:41:46] Planner Chadwick: yes please

[3:41:48] Planner Chadwick: bring them on

[3:41:50] Trustee Graham: and that page 160 everybody there housing and services needs i'm just wondering if we should

[3:42:02] Trustee Graham: remove the second sentence now the reason i

[3:42:06] Trustee Graham: say that is because it references the urbana

[3:42:09] Trustee Graham: with a suggestion that we need 109 additional housing units and, in the next 20 years, 359 additional housing units.

[3:42:18] Trustee Graham: which we have as a local trust committee and the work that we've done with housing are actually not. It's looking at increasing the population of Devon Island at all.

[3:42:30] Trustee Graham: So why would we put that in there? The first step is great.

[3:42:34] Trustee Graham: brave just talks generally but as soon as we go with that urbanax consultants report we start

[3:42:44] Trustee Graham: suggesting to people that we're going to increase the population of denver

[3:42:47] Trustee Graham: and i don't think we need to do that so if we just remove that second sentence yes

[3:42:53] Planner Chadwick: yeah so the only

[3:42:55] Planner Chadwick: so we staff recognize uh the

[3:42:58] Trustee Graham: next sentence because that references yeah just keep that

[3:43:03] Trustee Graham: given groundwater limitations, blah, blah, blah.

[3:43:07] Trustee Graham: That's a good sentence.

[3:43:08] Trustee Graham: But why would we put that in there, which leads people to think,

[3:43:12] Trustee Graham: oh, here's an official community plan

[3:43:14] Trustee Graham: that's planning to increase

[3:43:15] Trustee Graham: the population of Demetana?

[3:43:18] Planner Chadwick: So this is very awkward.

[3:43:21] Planner Chadwick: Staff, absolutely agree with you.

[3:43:25] Planner Chadwick: We've needed to – so there's a legislative requirement

[3:43:30] Planner Chadwick: to reference the housing needs report.

[3:43:32] Planner Chadwick: We had a housing needs report done that did not consider local conditions.

[3:43:40] Planner Chadwick: So we've needed to reference it.

[3:43:42] Planner Chadwick: And we can certainly, so we essentially need to make the change now.

[3:43:49] Planner Chadwick: This is the way that it needs to work in order to move to second reading.

[3:43:54] Planner Chadwick: Whatever change we make needs to be really clearly identified in the resolution.

[3:43:59] Planner Chadwick: So essentially, you know, change this word to this.

[3:44:02] Planner Chadwick: So we can have a look at this to see how we still need to reference the report, but we could put language in it related to, I mean, and that's why that sentence is there, given the groundwater limitations and just caution is needed when considering future housing capacity.

[3:44:29] Planner Chadwick: I mean, we could maybe strengthen that.

[3:44:32] Planner: Can we just delete it or no, Narissa? That's what you're saying.

[3:44:35] Planner: Well,

[3:44:35] Planner Chadwick: this is what

[3:44:36] Planner: it's

[3:44:37] Planner Chadwick: a legislative requirement to refer to the housing needs assessment. So it's

[3:44:41] Planner Chadwick: kind of a technical situation that we have here. I mean, we could, I mean, I guess it'll be left to

[3:44:51] Planner Chadwick: the ministry to decide how we've referred to it. So how about we just delete it and see what they

[3:44:57] Trustee Graham: say. Let's let the ministry say, oh, they didn't.

[3:45:00] Planner Chadwick: Yeah. Let's do that. That's easy. That's easy. Let's do it.

[3:45:03] Trustee Graham: So that second sentence doesn't, we don't need that.

[3:45:06] Trustee Graham: And I think the one that says this calculation is based on portion of the

[3:45:11] Trustee Graham: growth rate. We don't need that one, but then the next,

[3:45:14] Trustee Graham: the paragraph starting with given it's not actually a paragraph, a sentence.

[3:45:18] Trustee Graham: That's fine. The rest of this is great.

[3:45:20] Trustee Graham: Yeah.

[3:45:21] Planner Chadwick: Okay. So basically we're, we're, we're,

[3:45:24] Planner Chadwick: We're removing those two sentences that refer to the report.

[3:45:32] Planner Chadwick: And then we'll just see.

[3:45:32] Planner Chadwick: We'll see what the ministry has to say.

[3:45:34] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Yeah.

[3:45:35] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I mean, given the quality of those housing needs assessments across

[3:45:41] Planner Chadwick: the

[3:45:41] Planner Chadwick: Islands Trust area and across the province,

[3:45:44] I think they will have

[3:45:46] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to forgive us if we don't necessarily want to cite

[3:45:48] Trustee Borthwick (probable): in a whole bunch because they're generally considered to be extremely

[3:45:51] Trustee Borthwick (probable): unsatisfactory.

[3:45:52] Planner Chadwick: Yeah.

[3:45:53] Planner Chadwick: Yeah.

[3:45:53] Planner Chadwick: Yeah, so in the resolution, we'll essentially say that we will remove those two sentences, and we'll have to just identify them in full.

[3:46:01] Planner: I'm capturing that right now.

[3:46:03] Planner: Okay,

[3:46:03] Planner Chadwick: perfect. Thanks, Marlis.

[3:46:05] Planner: You

[3:46:06] Trustee Graham: guys are great.

[3:46:08] Trustee Graham: You want me to keep going?

[3:46:10] Trustee Graham: Yep, keep going.

[3:46:11] Trustee Graham: I don't want you to stop.

[3:46:12] Trustee Graham: Page 171, Policy 13.

[3:46:15] Trustee Graham: 13, so policy 13 talks about subdivisions for intended to support housing, must ensure adequate water supply, but the water supply is all about demonstrating long-term aquifer sustainability, but what if that particular housing development is going to use a portion, if not all, rainwater, then there is no requirement to demonstrate long-term aquifer suitability.

[3:46:48] Trustee Graham: that does that policy remove the opportunity for a housing development to follow the coho example and

[3:46:56] Trustee Graham: use their rainwater for their domestic water needs i

[3:46:59] Planner: can answer that if you like um so this

[3:47:02] Planner: is speaking specifically to subdivisions so not to a rezoning um but a subdivision and under

[3:47:09] Planner: provincial legislation subdivisions don't aren't able to use rainwater it has to be ground because

[3:47:15] Trustee Graham: it says subdivision okay yeah

[3:47:19] Planner: not yet anyways the profits may change

[3:47:21] Trustee Graham: but we have a subdivision

[3:47:22] Trustee Graham: provision like you can i can subdivide a chunk of my property if the if the parcel that i'm

[3:47:28] Trustee Graham: somebody off is going to be used for affordable housing yes yeah

[3:47:34] Planner: you'd still need to do a rezoning

[3:47:35] Planner: or do that okay yeah

[3:47:37] Chair Maude: you might want to check into that because i i do know that the wording

[3:47:41] Chair Maude: the ministry is using now for iowa's trust is they'll say proof of water um subject to the um

[3:47:53] approval of the local trust committee so they they they just say it leaves the the everything open

[3:48:02] to rainwater catch if they don't talk about groundwater anymore they just say

[3:48:06] Chair Maude: accepted to water proved acceptable to local trust committee so it might be they might be moving on

[3:48:18] Chair Maude: this a little bit

[3:48:18] Planner: they might have a lot like I've done a

[3:48:20] Planner: subdivision fairly recently but it's not

[3:48:23] Planner: able to so

[3:48:24] Chair Maude: maybe it's the difference between the northern office and the southern offices

[3:48:26] Chair Maude: I think that's subdivision number one.

[3:48:29] Chair Maude: Yeah.

[3:48:30] Chair Maude: I'm just doing one right now.

[3:48:35] Trustee Graham: We're in a transition area.

[3:48:38] Trustee Graham: Anyway, we'll leave that.

[3:48:42] Trustee Graham: The next one's really minor.

[3:48:43] Trustee Graham: Page 223, 317, number one, missing the word zone at the end of that sentence.

[3:48:58] Trustee Graham: Why is that sentence?

[3:48:59] Trustee Graham: Does not make any sense.

[3:49:01] Trustee Graham: so after it in brackets ag we need the word zone do

[3:49:14] Voice 12: you see that

[3:49:15] Planner Chadwick: i'm just i'm i'm still scrolling

[3:49:17] Planner Chadwick: down three point seven seven

[3:49:19] Trustee Graham: number one last sentence missing the word zone

[3:49:26] Trustee Graham: got it okay

[3:49:33] Voice 18: i keep going 3

[3:49:38] Trustee Graham: .9 uh number three b

[3:49:43] Planner Chadwick: sorry 3.9 3

[3:49:46] Trustee Graham: .9 number 3 d reads not be used for vacation rental or for the accommodation of

[3:49:53] Trustee Graham: paying guests this are renters not paying is it because the guests allow renters vacation

[3:50:02] Trustee Graham: or accommodation of paying guests.

[3:50:04] Trustee Graham: I guess paying guests aren't renters then.

[3:50:06] Trustee Graham: That's right.

[3:50:07] Planner Chadwick: Yeah, there's a difference between guest and full-time resident.

[3:50:11] Planner Chadwick: Great.

[3:50:12] Trustee Graham: Good.

[3:50:13] Trustee Graham: That was my problem there.

[3:50:15] Trustee Graham: And you know what?

[3:50:16] Trustee Graham: That's it.

[3:50:17] Trustee Graham: That's it.

[3:50:18] Voice 18: All right.

[3:50:28] Planner Chadwick: Are there any other comments on the bylaws,

[3:50:33] Planner Chadwick: things that you'd like to see changed?

[3:50:36] Planner Chadwick: there's um you'll note just to note the comox um we've got the letter attached there they were

[3:50:45] Planner Chadwick: they're supportive of the of the of the uh the bylaws and they they do make a note that uh

[3:50:52] Planner Chadwick: they would like to see the extended um setback from the shoreline yeah

[3:50:56] Trustee Borthwick (probable): so i had some thoughts

[3:50:59] Trustee Borthwick (probable): on this and it's i i appreciate that that's their perspective i i this is where i wish we had

[3:51:08] Trustee Borthwick (probable): we had the ability to sort of have a bit of a dialogue here because i think we we made that

[3:51:14] with some specific things and as a general statement i think the 30 meter

[3:51:19] Trustee Borthwick (probable): back setback

[3:51:20] Trustee Borthwick (probable): is the correct call with the exception of those couple of properties where it's going to be like

[3:51:25] Trustee Borthwick (probable): you know over 50 of the property is going to then fall within the setback and be unusable um so

[3:51:31] Trustee Borthwick (probable): So I

[3:51:32] Trustee Borthwick (probable): know we talked about this at length last time, but, you know, there's not that many

[3:51:39] Trustee Borthwick (probable): properties.

[3:51:39] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I can't remember you had counted how many that were affected in that way.

[3:51:44] Trustee Borthwick (probable): And like being able to make an exception on specific places while generally upholding

[3:51:51] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that setback would be my preference.

[3:51:53] I mean, I would love for us to be able to have a bespoke setback in those particular

[3:51:58] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Peter Haslund, Without making the applicants go through through that bit of work, this seems like something where we ought to be able to take a look at those places and say yes 30 meter setback is appropriate in most instances, with the exception of.

[3:52:15] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Peter Haslund, However, many properties, we had noted were were specifically affected because I would rather see a 30 meter setback from the ocean.

[3:52:22] Trustee Borthwick (probable): um it was just we i know we had one in particular where it was really going to be a crush like she

[3:52:28] Trustee Borthwick (probable): was going to be left with you know i think like 100 feet of property and still then be butting

[3:52:34] up against the setbacks from the road and other property limits so um i would love to find a

[3:52:40] bespoke solution if it's if there's a way to do it i know it's challenging so um but i like i

[3:52:47] appreciate where the nation are coming from and uh you know i i

[3:52:51] Trustee Borthwick (probable): also think you know we had good

[3:52:52] Trustee Borthwick (probable): reason to to to maintain that 15 and that seemed like the most elegant solution at the time

[3:52:58] Trustee Borthwick (probable): but uh yeah i'm open to what other other comments people have but

[3:53:08] Trustee Graham: i i have spent far too many hours in the sweet small hours of the night pondering this

[3:53:16] Trustee Graham: and i got a couple of things so the first thing that hit me said well actually most of those

[3:53:23] Trustee Graham: lots are on the edge of an island. That's why most people move to an island so they

[3:53:29] Trustee Graham: can enjoy the beauty of the water. So by moving the setback to 30 meters, we're going to put

[3:53:36] Trustee Graham: a whole bunch, hundreds and hundreds of houses in a legal nonconforming configuration. That's

[3:53:44] Trustee Graham: problematic, but let me keep going. So then we go to 30 meters and there's a few properties

[3:53:51] Trustee Graham: properties that are going to go, damn, there's another cost that I have to deal with. But if

[3:53:56] Trustee Graham: you think about the overall cost of building a house today, even if we say, you know, $500 a

[3:54:03] Trustee Graham: square foot, a thousand square foot house is a half a million dollars. But asking to spend

[3:54:08] Trustee Graham: $2,000, which is less than half a percent of the overall construction costs for another permit,

[3:54:15] Trustee Graham: it's not the end of the world. I'm not going to really be too broken up about that. If you can

[3:54:19] Trustee Graham: going to afford a $500,000 house and you're going to have to spend another $2,000 to ask for a

[3:54:24] Trustee Graham: variance you know that's just the price of having a waterfront these days but I do worry about all

[3:54:30] Trustee Graham: those houses that are going to be in a legal non-conforming situation and I don't know we

[3:54:37] Trustee Graham: don't have that data but you gave

[3:54:39] Planner: us

[3:54:40] Trustee Graham: the number of houses that it would affect so we have to

[3:54:44] Trustee Graham: infer that the rest of the houses

[3:54:46] Trustee Graham: that are on the water

[3:54:48] Trustee Graham: wouldn't be affected, which means

[3:54:53] Trustee Graham: that

[3:54:53] Planner: they're already built.

[3:54:54] Planner: I thought I had done a

[3:54:56] Planner: query on how many...

[3:54:58] Planner: You did.

[3:55:00] Planner: It wasn't that many.

[3:55:03] Trustee Borthwick (probable): You were talking, I think it was

[3:55:04] Trustee Borthwick (probable): specifically you were talking about, you had a number

[3:55:06] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that was like 19 properties, I think.

[3:55:09] Trustee Borthwick (probable): That's the number that's in my head that were

[3:55:11] Trustee Borthwick (probable): like a significant...

[3:55:17] Trustee Borthwick (probable): No, it's subtly different. Yeah, this is more about the legally non-performing thing, which is a different.

[3:55:25] Voice 12: I thought I didn't have a number in there that

[3:55:27] Voice 9: looked at that, but I would have to.

[3:55:30] Voice 9: There's a bit of give and take in the meeting, too.

[3:55:32] Voice 9: It's a little pretty long.

[3:55:34] Voice 9: Yes, a little.

[3:55:38] Trustee Graham: I mean, it's something that, you know, with more data, maybe the next local trust committee could

[3:55:44] Trustee Graham: just make that minor amendment. But I'd like to know what that, how many houses will be put in

[3:55:52] Trustee Graham: a legal nonconforming, which, you know, for those of you that are not familiar with that, if the

[3:55:56] Trustee Graham: house burns down, you wouldn't be able to rebuild it in that location. You'd have to, you'd have to

[3:56:01] Trustee Graham: So your foundation, which is probably all that's left after a house burns down, it's of no value to you.

[3:56:08] Trustee Graham: And so now you're digging up within the 200 meter special area protection from the natural boundary of the sea,

[3:56:17] Trustee Graham: which is something the First Nations don't want you to do.

[3:56:20] Trustee Graham: So it makes more sense to allow you to rebuild on the footprint that you have,

[3:56:24] Trustee Graham: maybe 50 meters from the natural boundary of the sea,

[3:56:27] Trustee Graham: rather than having to build a brand new foundation

[3:56:30] Trustee Graham: and disturb more potential archaeological area

[3:56:35] Trustee Graham: with the permitting and the...

[3:56:37] Trustee Graham: I mean, it gets complicated.

[3:56:40] Planner Chadwick: So would you like to put this on the future projects list?

[3:56:45] Trustee Graham: Because

[3:56:45] Planner Chadwick: it essentially would be a minor project.

[3:56:47] Trustee Graham: That's what I'm thinking.

[3:56:49] Trustee Graham: That

[3:56:49] Trustee Borthwick (probable): sounds like a good plan.

[3:56:51] Trustee Graham: Leave it at

[3:56:51] Trustee Graham: 15, but flag this as something for the next,

[3:56:54] Trustee Graham: with more data, more information

[3:56:56] Trustee Graham: to make a more informed decision.

[3:56:58] Trustee Graham: So there's more potential ramifications.

[3:57:02] Trustee Graham: And

[3:57:03] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I, you know, it's, I think it's, and I mean, the thing that I want to, you know, make clear, you know, and I would assume because I know that you guys do speak with the Comox First Nation staff, that it's not a question of us just barreling ahead and ignoring their request.

[3:57:19] request um but that this is a complicated thing and we've had these conversations and

[3:57:24] and you know if

[3:57:25] Trustee Borthwick (probable): there's room for us to have a dialogue and sort of talk about what these

[3:57:29] difficulties are um or if you're able to relay this the the tenor

[3:57:34] Trustee Borthwick (probable): of this conversation that is

[3:57:35] Trustee Borthwick (probable): not a question of disregarding their their input um yeah

[3:57:40] Trustee Graham: well one yeah that's a good idea just one

[3:57:43] Trustee Graham: more anecdotal piece of information a lot of the homes that are within that 15 or are 15 perhaps

[3:57:52] Trustee Graham: meters away from the natural boundary are really old so a new property owner quite likely is going

[3:57:58] Trustee Graham: to want to rebuild um if they're going to reveal 30 meters now we've got a brand new

[3:58:04] Trustee Graham: site that's going to be developed which is complicated as opposed to rebuilding on the

[3:58:09] Trustee Graham: original location anyway yeah we

[3:58:12] Trustee Graham: ought to have a more nuanced way to approach this is my feeling

[3:58:17] Trustee Graham: especially given that we deal with relatively few let's flag that as something to put on the

[3:58:21] Trustee Graham: future

[3:58:22] Planner Chadwick: projects projects

[3:58:23] Trustee Graham: list along with the uh the dpa

[3:58:27] Trustee Graham: archaeological sites yeah okay

[3:58:30] Planner Chadwick: and the uh

[3:58:32] Planner Chadwick: the dpa for aqua for protection yeah

[3:58:34] Trustee Graham: let's go hand in hand really yeah

[3:58:37] Planner Chadwick: yeah i mean yeah they

[3:58:39] Planner Chadwick: They absolutely do.

[3:58:40] Planner Chadwick: And, you know, again, I think that moving forward with those things

[3:58:44] Planner Chadwick: would complement very well the intent of the housing review.

[3:58:50] Voice 6: Yeah.

[3:58:51] Voice 17: Okay.

[3:58:51] Voice 18: Good.

[3:58:56] Voice 18: What else?

[3:58:58] Voice 18: Well,

[3:59:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I know that staff had gone back and forth.

[3:59:03] Trustee Borthwick (probable): We've received some input from the Conservancy on some bits and pieces.

[3:59:08] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I don't remember where I made all my notes.

[3:59:17] Planner Chadwick: Yeah.

[3:59:17] Planner Chadwick: So you can see we had a submission from the Conservancy and the chart there indicates

[3:59:23] Planner Chadwick: how we've addressed their key concerns.

[3:59:27] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Yeah.

[3:59:28] Trustee Borthwick (probable): No, and I think that was all looking pretty good.

[3:59:31] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I did, and we had a, and I know staff, there was a bit of back and forth with Jenny Balki

[3:59:37] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and

[3:59:39] Trustee Borthwick (probable): she had some specific language that

[3:59:42] Trustee Borthwick (probable): she was hoping to see

[3:59:44] Trustee Borthwick (probable): included.

[3:59:45] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I really liked

[3:59:47] Voice 6: what

[3:59:47] Trustee Borthwick (probable): was the

[3:59:49] Trustee Graham: conversation because I really liked what she said.

[3:59:52] Trustee Graham: I think there's room.

[3:59:53] Trustee Graham: She wanted to see

[3:59:55] Trustee Borthwick (probable): in the OCP

[3:59:56] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Demanai

[4:00:00] Trustee Borthwick (probable): ecosystems are globally significant they are among the rarest most valuable and most at risk in the

[4:00:04] Trustee Borthwick (probable): world human residents and visitors on demo island are tasked with the stewardship of these precious

[4:00:09] Trustee Borthwick (probable): species as well as the network of their critical support have supportive habitats human activities

[4:00:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): on demo need to be considered in terms of ensuring the long-term health and survival of these

[4:00:18] Trustee Borthwick (probable): ecosystems and i had no problem with any of that that all feels in keeping with with with the

[4:00:24] Trustee Borthwick (probable): mandate and with the OCP. So I was happy to, I don't know, I'm sure

[4:00:31] Planner Chadwick: we

[4:00:32] Trustee Borthwick (probable): did talk with Jenny and

[4:00:33] Trustee Borthwick (probable): she had suggested to me a specific place, but I didn't

[4:00:36] Planner: know. So 149, it's included in the table

[4:00:40] Planner: there. Okay. My comment was that it was out of scope for this project. It's not related to

[4:00:48] Planner: housing. And so I wasn't sure how into the weeds we want to get about defining data centers and

[4:00:56] Trustee Borthwick (probable): well oh yeah the

[4:00:58] Trustee Borthwick (probable): data center thing is a separate question um i mean they are currently not

[4:01:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): permitted on islands regardless um but they're not explicitly and this is i think probably

[4:01:07] Trustee Borthwick (probable): something this is something that certainly in my perspective and thinking into next term if i'm

[4:01:14] elected that's something that i would want to be challenging across them we want it to be explicit

[4:01:18] that those are not a permitted use on the islands i think

[4:01:21] Trustee Borthwick (probable): they're they're wildly inappropriate use

[4:01:23] of our resources in space um they're actively harmful

[4:01:27] Trustee Borthwick (probable): uh in a way that few things are um but

[4:01:32] Trustee Borthwick (probable): uh not a few things bunch of things but um yeah just in terms of this specific language and like

[4:01:40] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i appreciate where jenny like i say i see what you mean in terms of it's maybe not

[4:01:44] Trustee Borthwick (probable): uh specifically regarding housing i mean this is more broadly yeah i don't know i i think i think

[4:01:53] Trustee Borthwick (probable): it is an important part of balancing that and i think it does speak to like because it speaks

[4:01:59] Trustee Borthwick (probable): specifically to human activities on denman island need to be considered in terms of that this is

[4:02:04] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that is already inherent in the mandate but i don't think it hurts to state it uh explicitly

[4:02:09] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and i don't i don't i think it can be considered to be it obviously encompasses more than the scope

[4:02:16] Trustee Borthwick (probable): of this project but i don't think it's not i don't think it's uh an invalid uh addition

[4:02:24] Planner Chadwick: I mean the one way I could see us under the heading if we could identify a heading for it

[4:02:31] Planner Chadwick: we could pop it into the end of the um the background yeah

[4:02:36] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that's and that's generally

[4:02:38] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I think where that belongs was my that was my feeling yeah um

[4:02:43] Planner Chadwick: yeah so I I mean we need to come

[4:02:45] Planner Chadwick: come up with a heading, like now?

[4:02:48] Planner: Like now.

[4:02:50] Trustee Graham: Well, no pressure.

[4:02:53] Planner: The

[4:02:53] Planner: Denman Island ecosystems are

[4:02:55] Planner: globally significant, this whole

[4:02:57] Planner: little paragraph here.

[4:03:01] Trustee Graham: Jenny's got the

[4:03:02] Trustee Graham: background to make that statement and know

[4:03:04] Trustee Graham: that it's real.

[4:03:09] Planner Chadwick: How about

[4:03:11] Planner Chadwick: human relationships in the

[4:03:12] Planner Chadwick: Denman ecosystem or something like that?

[4:03:15] Planner Chadwick: or the relationship to the Denman Island ecosystem.

[4:03:21] Planner Chadwick: I'm

[4:03:21] Trustee Borthwick (probable): just thinking if you want to add...

[4:03:23] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Denman Island ecosystems.

[4:03:24] Planner Chadwick: There you go.

[4:03:25] Planner Chadwick: We can put it in under that,

[4:03:27] Planner Chadwick: then we can just pop it in at the end.

[4:03:29] Voice 9: Yeah.

[4:03:30] Planner Chadwick: I will note that...

[4:03:34] Planner Chadwick: So we have moved to this new structure in the Islands Trust

[4:03:37] Planner Chadwick: where we have the regional planning team taking on large projects,

[4:03:41] Planner Chadwick: and this has been the result of that, the housing project.

[4:03:43] Planner Chadwick: but this was this was the first kick at the can essentially the Gabriel OCP has been another

[4:03:51] Planner Chadwick: big project and the way that we're moving within the regional planning team is to

[4:03:58] Planner Chadwick: essentially do full OCP reviews when we're doing the major projects and so I will note that

[4:04:05] Planner Chadwick: that if we were to have started the housing project this next term because of the thinking

[4:04:13] Planner Chadwick: that we've done now with the regional planning team, it would have been a major OCP review.

[4:04:22] Planner Chadwick: We've done our best to kind of change things here and there, but I would kind of encourage

[4:04:30] Planner Chadwick: trustees, the upcoming trustees, to push to have the Trust Council prioritize Denman

[4:04:41] Planner Chadwick: as a Denman like OCP review

[4:04:45] Planner Chadwick: because essentially you guys have done it.

[4:04:46] Planner Chadwick: You've essentially done about 75%, 80%

[4:04:49] Planner Chadwick: of what a OCP review would be.

[4:04:52] Planner Chadwick: And so it would just be a matter

[4:04:54] Planner Chadwick: of addressing some of those other pieces

[4:04:55] Planner Chadwick: that kind of just tie things

[4:04:57] Planner Chadwick: a little bit closer together.

[4:04:58] Planner Chadwick: So I

[4:04:59] Trustee Borthwick (probable): would want to see a broader process

[4:05:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that invites us to sort of sit down

[4:05:04] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and draft some of that language as a community.

[4:05:07] Planner Chadwick: Yeah, that's what it would do.

[4:05:08] Planner Chadwick: So it would provide you an opportunity

[4:05:10] Planner Chadwick: to do the visioning you know um again like on the technical side of things we've done a lot

[4:05:15] Planner Chadwick: um a lot of the things that we've done for denman are very similar to what we've done for the ocp

[4:05:20] Planner Chadwick: review uh for gabriela so yeah

[4:05:23] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i mean and a lot of our existing ocp i think is still very strong

[4:05:26] Planner Chadwick: it's really good it's it's it's pretty it's a pretty decent one in compared compared to

[4:05:31] Planner Chadwick: a number of the ones across the trust so

[4:05:34] Planner: can you remind

[4:05:34] Trustee Borthwick (probable): me where that paragraph from denny

[4:05:36] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I have it. We're going to put in a new heading in the end of the background.

[4:05:56] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Yeah, intro or background is what Nerissa said. I don't have my thing in front of me.

[4:06:01] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Yeah,

[4:06:01] Planner Chadwick: that intro part. So I'm looking at page. I'm just looking at page 185 in the page nine of the OCP of the amending bylaw for the OCP.

[4:06:13] Planner Chadwick: just at the the end of that section more or less there's housing needs and services and then just

[4:06:19] Planner Chadwick: popping it in there because it won't change anything too much

[4:06:23] Trustee Borthwick (probable): 185 this is after the housing

[4:06:28] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and services needs okay yeah significance of gemini systems and then yeah i mean it's not a

[4:06:38] Trustee Borthwick (probable): long thing but i think i think jenny's language is really good and it's important to to state

[4:06:44] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that global significance because they are there

[4:07:00] Planner Chadwick: other items yes

[4:07:03] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i think everything for me yep no

[4:07:05] Trustee Borthwick (probable): that's good okay

[4:07:07] Planner Chadwick: and so more or less you've been taking the notes here this is going to be a fairly

[4:07:10] Planner Chadwick: long resolution because uh um we need to be very specific about what we're changing yeah

[4:07:19] Voice 14: if we want

[4:07:20] Voice 14: to let me share the map so when i can show you the resolution that's oh

[4:07:33] Planner: yeah i was gonna say if

[4:07:34] Planner: plug in your computer i

[4:07:35] Planner: can just share a screen well

[4:07:37] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i'm not on the zoo

[4:07:37] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i was doing it just for my goodness okay no

[4:07:52] Trustee Graham: typical reason to have younger people

[4:07:53] Trustee Graham: as your trustees they understand this technology some days some days

[4:07:59] Trustee Graham: it's one of those days which is one of those days okay

[4:08:10] Voice 18: so this is the

[4:08:14] Planner: Okay, so this would be the OCP amendment. So you'd be you're amending the

[4:08:21] Planner: OCP as specified in attachment one of the staff report and and also these few things that

[4:08:30] Planner: Okay, so a few of these things, the A and B are something that we just talked about today.

[4:08:36] Planner: and then c through f are what was discussed or sorry what was received

[4:08:44] Planner: from the island health

[4:08:45] Planner: referral that i received too late to include it in the staff report but it was pretty

[4:08:52] Planner: small things but some good kind of catches yeah so

[4:08:57] Chair Maude: i just asked lisa a question because i

[4:08:59] Chair Maude: understood that we could make a motion as presented yes

[4:09:04] Planner Chadwick: you don't have to read you don't

[4:09:05] Planner Chadwick: have to read the whole thing yeah like robert's rules allows you to to just if you

[4:09:10] Planner: want to read

[4:09:11] Planner: it to yourselves or make sure that this is capturing everything that's probably just for

[4:09:25] change uh jenny has an exclamation mark at most of risk in the world

[4:09:29] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i would probably make that

[4:09:30] Trustee Borthwick (probable): just a period yeah

[4:09:32] Voice 17: i

[4:09:34] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i i take her emphasis absolutely but i would probably just make it

[4:09:42] Trustee Borthwick (probable): So I'm looking at section E1 here, so inserting the words quality and after the word quality

[4:09:56] Trustee Borthwick (probable): would make it read quality quantity and.

[4:09:59] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Oh yeah.

[4:10:00] Trustee Borthwick (probable): So before perhaps, potentially at the end of including but not limited to in section

[4:10:25] Trustee Borthwick (probable): in D5 would be a semicolon or

[4:10:30] Voice 6: a colon, if

[4:10:33] Voice 18: you're about to initiate a list. It would

[4:10:39] Voice 18: be a semicolon, I think.

[4:10:44] Voice 12: I think we have a colon now.

[4:10:46] Voice 12: Okay.

[4:10:57] Voice 9: So that looks fine to me.

[4:11:04] Planner: Yep.

[4:11:05] Voice 9: Cool.

[4:11:06] Planner: Thank you.

[4:11:07] Planner: Okay, so, Letha, I can send you that.

[4:11:11] Voice 21: Thank you.

[4:11:13] Voice 18: So, at the

[4:11:21] Trustee Borthwick (probable): end of this motion, we would be saying as specified in attachment 1 and as

[4:11:26] Trustee Borthwick (probable): as amended at the LPC meeting of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[4:11:32] Planner: And then perhaps.

[4:11:34] Voice 5: Appendix one.

[4:11:36] Planner: Well, I think Lisa,

[4:11:38] Planner: how does it work when they're doing the just motion as presented?

[4:11:41] Planner: What do they.

[4:11:44] Planner: I

[4:11:44] Planner Chadwick: think it would as specified in,

[4:11:46] Planner Chadwick: in attachment one with the following with the following amendments.

[4:11:51] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Well, I think we can move though.

[4:11:52] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I think we wouldn't have to read out the whole thing.

[4:11:54] Trustee Borthwick (probable): We would just say,

[4:11:55] Planner Chadwick: no, you don't.

[4:11:55] Planner Chadwick: That's right.

[4:11:56] Trustee Borthwick (probable): recommendation one as amended okay at the meeting does that feel yeah

[4:12:01] Planner Chadwick: yes this is the expert here

[4:12:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): uh

[4:12:04] Voice 21: yes i agree with um narissa that we need to say is specified in attachment one

[4:12:12] Voice 21: and as amended attachment over to south report and as amended uh

[4:12:18] Trustee Borthwick (probable): at the local trust committee

[4:12:20] Trustee Borthwick (probable): meeting of 24th of august 2026 that make that specific enough yes

[4:12:28] Voice 21: okay

[4:12:28] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i can

[4:12:30] Voice 18: do that if we're

[4:12:32] Voice 18: ready we would pass forward as an as amended

[4:12:35] Trustee Graham: that would count

[4:12:36] Voice 6: as false yeah

[4:12:37] Trustee Graham: yeah okay if we're happy

[4:12:41] Trustee Graham: all right do we want to do this one first or do we want to yeah

[4:12:45] Trustee Borthwick (probable): because this is the first one

[4:12:46] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and then we go back to doing second reading we go back into the other thing yeah

[4:12:50] Planner: well then there's

[4:12:51] Planner: one small amendment for the land use bylaw right so they'll do that and then you go into doing

[4:12:56] Planner: second grade

[4:12:57] Trustee Borthwick (probable): okay yeah so that uh i move that the demon island local trust committee amend bylaw

[4:13:03] Trustee Borthwick (probable): number 260 cited as demon island official community plan of 2008 amendment number one in

[4:13:11] Trustee Borthwick (probable): 2026 as specified in attachment one of the staff report uh and as discussed at the local trust

[4:13:18] Trustee Borthwick (probable): committee meeting of august 24th 2026. okay is that are you happy lisa and

[4:13:29] Trustee Graham: you got these points

[4:13:30] Voice 21: trustee borthwick that's good that's

[4:13:32] Trustee Borthwick (probable): good that's so that's where we

[4:13:33] Trustee Graham: that's where we can skip that

[4:13:35] Trustee Graham: part so should i get it i'm just going

[4:13:36] Trustee Borthwick (probable): to second that yeah okay for the discussion call a question

[4:13:39] Trustee Borthwick (probable): so then we have to do a similar thing for recommendation too mary uh

[4:13:46] Planner: yeah so number

[4:13:47] Planner: Number two would be on the screen here.

[4:13:49] Planner: I mean, it's just the small change here.

[4:13:53] Planner: Yeah.

[4:13:53] Trustee Borthwick (probable): It's the only one.

[4:13:54] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Okay, we'll just read all of that out as well.

[4:13:56] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Sure.

[4:13:56] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Okay.

[4:13:58] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I move that the Devon Island Local Trust Committee

[4:14:00] Trustee Borthwick (probable): amend bylaw number 264,

[4:14:02] Trustee Borthwick (probable): cited as Devon Island Land Use Bylaw number 264, 2026,

[4:14:06] Trustee Borthwick (probable): as specified in the attachment three of the staff report

[4:14:09] Trustee Borthwick (probable): dated August 24th, 2026.

[4:14:11] Trustee Borthwick (probable): And as follows,

[4:14:12] Trustee Borthwick (probable): A, Part 3, General Regulations, Section 3.7, Accessory Uses, Buildings, and Structures.

[4:14:20] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Insert the word zone after agriculture.

[4:14:24] Chair Maude: A second, effectively.

[4:14:26] Trustee Borthwick (probable): For

[4:14:26] Chair Maude: the discussion, the call question will be carried.

[4:14:29] Chair Maude: Okay.

[4:14:31] Voice 6: Now we can go back.

[4:14:35] Voice 6: Maybe.

[4:14:35] Voice 6: We're a bit of the racists.

[4:14:37] Voice 6: Yeah.

[4:14:37] Voice 6: Good for three.

[4:15:02] Voice 6: Good for three.

[4:15:02] Voice 6: I move that

[4:15:04] Trustee Graham: the Denman Isle Local Trust Committee,

[4:15:05] Trustee Graham: bylaw number 260, cited as Denman Island Officially Planned 2008,

[4:15:10] Trustee Graham: Amendment Number 1, 2026, to be read a second time.

[4:15:13] Trustee Graham: I move that the in-Denman Island Local Trust Committee, bylaw number 264,

[4:15:22] Trustee Graham: cited as Denman Island Land Use, bylaw number 264, 2026, to be read a second time.

[4:15:28] Trustee Graham: I'll second that.

[4:15:29] Trustee Graham: Discussion? Call the question. All in favor?

[4:15:30] Trustee Graham: That carries.

[4:15:31] Trustee Graham: And finally, I move that the Demmon-On-Logo Trust Committee add critical aquifer protection development increment area to the top of the future projects list as a Demmon-On-Logo housing review implementation project next step.

[4:15:46] Trustee Graham: I'm going to second that.

[4:15:47] Trustee Graham: I'm going to have to do one more.

[4:15:50] Trustee Graham: All questions, all opinions.

[4:15:52] Trustee Graham: Carry.

[4:15:53] Trustee Graham: And what was it?

[4:15:55] Trustee Graham: Setback?

[4:15:57] Trustee Graham: Discussion on the setback.

[4:16:00] Planner Chadwick: yeah so it would be uh review of setback from the from the sea

[4:16:05] Trustee Graham: yeah

[4:16:06] Planner Chadwick: so

[4:16:08] Trustee Graham: i moved at the deminal local trust committee and in locations set back to the

[4:16:16] Trustee Graham: natural boundary of the sea it wouldn't be a topic end of quotations to the second

[4:16:26] Trustee Graham: talk on the

[4:16:27] Trustee Graham: futures project listed

[4:16:29] Trustee Graham: as a Denman Island Housing Review

[4:16:31] Trustee Graham: Implementation Project next step.

[4:16:33] Trustee Graham: I'll second that.

[4:16:34] Trustee Graham: I

[4:16:35] Trustee Borthwick (probable): was just going to say

[4:16:37] Trustee Borthwick (probable): make sure Lisa's got it.

[4:16:40] Voice 21: I have it. Thank you.

[4:16:42] Voice 9: Okay.

[4:16:44] Voice 9: All in favor?

[4:16:45] Voice 9: Carry.

[4:16:47] Voice 21: Oh my God.

[4:16:50] Trustee Graham: Okay.

[4:16:52] Voice 18: All right.

[4:16:54] Voice 18: Only

[4:16:56] Trustee Graham: 10 years in progress.

[4:16:59] Trustee Graham: okay

[4:17:01] Chair Maude: all right so that's it for your nourishing staff yeah

[4:17:04] Planner Chadwick: that's great um so

[4:17:07] Planner Chadwick: i'll see you all on the 15th

[4:17:09] Planner Chadwick: 15th yeah yeah so well done thank

[4:17:15] Chair Maude: you well done to you

[4:17:17] Chair Maude: maybe

[4:17:17] Planner: before we go nurse that yeah it might

[4:17:20] Planner: be good to just chat about if there's any additional

[4:17:23] Planner: advertising that you want yes email yeah

[4:17:27] Trustee Graham: we're doing pretty good posters you're going to do

[4:17:29] Trustee Graham: in the publications and on the

[4:17:31] Trustee Graham: mail-out list? I

[4:17:33] Planner: don't know if you

[4:17:33] Planner: have any networks that, because, you know,

[4:17:35] Planner: we often hear about

[4:17:36] Planner: people.

[4:17:39] Planner: It's hard to get the message out, so if you

[4:17:41] Planner: have any suggestions

[4:17:43] Planner: or email lists

[4:17:45] Trustee Borthwick (probable): of your own

[4:17:46] Trustee Borthwick (probable): or Facebook. I don't specifically,

[4:17:47] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I'm not on Facebook.

[4:17:50] Trustee Borthwick (probable): But, I mean, I think, yeah,

[4:17:51] Trustee Borthwick (probable): something to the Facebook page is where a lot of people

[4:17:53] Trustee Borthwick (probable): get their information.

[4:17:55] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Did

[4:17:55] Planner: you have a social

[4:17:56] Trustee Graham: media outreach to that?

[4:17:57] Trustee Graham: So

[4:17:57] Planner: I think Islands Trust posts on, probably not on the local Denman groups, but posts on Islands Trust.

[4:18:04] Trustee Borthwick (probable): It may be worth, I don't know if it's, if we can direct it, that it get posted to the Denman Island Bulletin Board.

[4:18:12] Trustee Borthwick (probable): We're not on those, but it would have to be one.

[4:18:14] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Okay, well, perhaps

[4:18:16] Chair Maude: David can do that.

[4:18:17] Chair Maude: Because I do know that staff are, like, staff slash Islands Trust are members of a lot of local ones.

[4:18:29] Chair Maude: at least in the 70s, they keep hearing from people.

[4:18:33] Trustee Borthwick (probable): We saw it.

[4:18:34] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Yeah, I feel so, so strongly that I want to reprioritize Facebook

[4:18:39] Trustee Borthwick (probable): as a way for us to be, and the more we choose to use it,

[4:18:42] Trustee Borthwick (probable): the more we legitimize it as a method of information.

[4:18:44] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I know it's inescapable, but I just, it's,

[4:18:48] Trustee Borthwick (probable): the mandates of those companies are so counter to the mandate of the trust,

[4:18:52] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and they are so harmful for community dialogue in so many ways.

[4:18:55] Trustee Borthwick (probable): and this is my personal perspective.

[4:18:59] I don't

[4:19:00] Trustee Borthwick (probable): expect everyone to share it,

[4:19:01] Trustee Borthwick (probable): but

[4:19:01] Trustee Graham: they're only inescapable if we treat them essentially.

[4:19:06] Trustee Graham: I share your mistaste for it,

[4:19:10] Trustee Graham: if it weren't for the number of seminars

[4:19:12] Trustee Graham: who continue to use it.

[4:19:14] Trustee Graham: So hold my nose and I will share it on the page.

[4:19:20] Trustee Graham: All right, okay.

[4:19:21] Trustee Graham: So your question, the answer to your question is no.

[4:19:24] Trustee Graham: I don't think we've found anything that we can

[4:19:26] Trustee Graham: add to it.

[4:19:27] Trustee Graham: All right.

[4:19:29] Planner Chadwick: Okay, so we've

[4:19:30] Planner Chadwick: got subscriber list, email,

[4:19:32] Planner Chadwick: subscriber list,

[4:19:34] Planner Chadwick: posters, Facebook, unfortunately.

[4:19:39] Planner Chadwick: And, yeah, I'm not sure which publications we can get at this point,

[4:19:44] Planner Chadwick: but we'll definitely explore if we can get it in.

[4:19:48] Planner Chadwick: It's weekly.

[4:19:49] Planner Chadwick: Yeah.

[4:19:50] Trustee Borthwick (probable): It's bi-weekly.

[4:19:52] Trustee Borthwick (probable): The Blackstone, I think we passed the deadline for it.

[4:19:54] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I think so. Blackstone's done.

[4:19:56] Voice 8: Yeah.

[4:19:58] Voice 8: Morgana has been

[4:19:59] Trustee Graham: working on it.

[4:20:02] Trustee Graham: It's already in the September trustee note.

[4:20:05] Planner Chadwick: Yeah.

[4:20:07] Planner Chadwick: So, yeah, I know we've already had a communications plan.

[4:20:09] Trustee Graham: It's not at all.

[4:20:11] Trustee Graham: It's the gymnasium of this building.

[4:20:15] Planner Chadwick: Yeah, that's the one we were able to get.

[4:20:16] Planner Chadwick: It

[4:20:17] Trustee Graham: used to be a sandwich board.

[4:20:18] Trustee Graham: I don't know.

[4:20:18] Trustee Graham: Maybe David Critchley still has it.

[4:20:25] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I think I've got a sandwich board frame somewhere from the bus that I could probably repurpose

[4:20:32] Trustee Borthwick (probable): for that.

[4:20:32] Trustee Borthwick (probable): We just need a sign.

[4:20:35] Voice 9: I think you know someone who probably makes some signs.

[4:20:38] Voice 9: It's possible.

[4:20:39] Trustee Graham: Awesome.

[4:20:41] Voice 17: You

[4:20:41] Voice 9: know, no expectations.

[4:20:44] Trustee Graham: But we'd pay for that.

[4:20:45] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Pay for the bus.

[4:20:47] Voice 6: Pay

[4:20:47] Voice 12: for the bus.

[4:20:47] Voice 12: That's what I was going to say.

[4:20:48] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Yeah.

[4:20:48] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Well, Raman and I, well, Raman did most of it.

[4:20:51] Trustee Borthwick (probable): i helped with the blackberry fair one but you know the

[4:20:55] Trustee Graham: graffiti fences never look more spectacular

[4:20:58] Trustee Graham: with the quality of them it's not even graffiti it's just beautiful

[4:21:03] Planner Chadwick: there's another option for

[4:21:05] Planner Chadwick: you anybody want to paint you've

[4:21:07] Trustee Borthwick (probable): got a bunch of pain

[4:21:15] Trustee Graham: all right

[4:21:16] Planner Chadwick: all right i think we're good i think we're good for the pro this project

[4:21:20] Planner Chadwick: Yeah, thank you.

[4:21:21] Planner Chadwick: Excellent. Awesome.

[4:21:22] Planner Chadwick: Thank you, Teresa.

[4:21:23] Planner Chadwick: All right. Thank you so much. Bye.

[4:21:26] Voice 6: All

[4:21:26] Chair Maude: right. Moving along, on page 384,

[4:21:31] Chair Maude: file enforcement notification, file number 265, file adoption.

[4:21:37] We'd be very happy to adopt this.

[4:21:40] I don't know if it's...

[4:21:42] Chair Maude: We don't need to do it.

[4:21:44] Chair Maude: If Warren wants to say to it, absolutely.

[4:21:47] Chair Maude: Absolutely.

[4:21:53] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: You can now adopt this amendment to your Bend by-law schedule.

[4:22:02] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: It's been approved by EC.

[4:22:04] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: It adds a $500 penalty for failure to obtain a development permit in a development permit

[4:22:09] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: area.

[4:22:10] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: If it's an administrative by-law, it doesn't need to go to the minister and the LTC can

[4:22:14] Warren Dingman, Manager of Bylaw Compliance & Enforcement: now adopt it.

[4:22:16] Trustee Graham: I'll just add that this was at the request

[4:22:18] Trustee Graham: of the Dem and Conservancy Association

[4:22:19] Trustee Graham: who quite rightly said it's pretty

[4:22:22] Trustee Graham: hard to keep people doing bad things

[4:22:24] Trustee Graham: in the DPA if we don't have some

[4:22:25] Trustee Graham: punitive punishment that we can

[4:22:28] Trustee Graham: levy on them. This does that.

[4:22:30] Trustee Graham: I believe.

[4:22:32] Trustee Graham: I

[4:22:33] Trustee Borthwick (probable): think there's limits.

[4:22:33] Trustee Borthwick (probable): We are unfortunately limited to $500, but if I'm

[4:22:36] Trustee Borthwick (probable): not incorrect, it can be levied

[4:22:38] Trustee Borthwick (probable): every 24 hours.

[4:22:42] Trustee Borthwick (probable): All right. I move that the Dem and I

[4:22:44] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Local Trust Committee Adopt By-law No. 265, cited as Denman Island Local Trust Committee

[4:22:49] Trustee Borthwick (probable): By-law Enforcement Notification By-law No. 232, 2019, Amendment No. 1, 2026.

[4:22:55] Trustee Borthwick (probable): I'll second that.

[4:22:56] Trustee Borthwick (probable): Any discussions, call or question, all in favor?

[4:22:58] Chair Maude: That carries.

[4:22:59] Chair Maude: Thank you, Warren.

[4:23:00] Chair Maude: All right.

[4:23:01] Voice 6: You're welcome.

[4:23:02] Chair Maude: So, we just popped through this application report.

[4:23:07] Chair Maude: Anything needs to be highlighted?

[4:23:08] Chair Maude: I think

[4:23:09] Trustee Graham: we've dealt with everything that I was going to ask about.

[4:23:12] Trustee Graham: Okay,

[4:23:12] Chair Maude: so we have trustee local expense report for your information, DOC policies, as you all know.

[4:23:20] Chair Maude: So now we work down to page 407, active and future projects. Anything there too?

[4:23:28] Chair Maude: No, I mean, that'll get updated based on today's resolution.

[4:23:32] Chair Maude: So upcoming meetings. My only question was, we have Tuesday, September, it says 1030 a.m.

[4:23:41] Chair Maude: we normally are 10 here was there any reason that we were popped into 10 30 oh

[4:23:49] Planner: maybe let me just

[4:23:50] Planner: double check i

[4:23:51] Chair Maude: wonder what i wrote

[4:24:02] Trustee Graham: i said 10 a.m oh no let's just be clear yeah unless it's a fairy thing oh you guys make a

[4:24:13] Trustee Graham: 10 o'clock yeah yeah in my flash drive i said um activity center june so

[4:24:19] Planner: 10 30 is the community

[4:24:21] Planner: information meeting 10 45 that's the public hearing well well i think we'll be a little

[4:24:26] Planner: early i don't

[4:24:28] Chair Maude: know why i can be set for

[4:24:29] Planner: that sorry okay

[4:24:30] Chair Maude: okay so so yes so our next meeting

[4:24:33] Chair Maude: with a special meeting to be uh held to okay especially to hold a community information

[4:24:40] meeting and public hearing schedule for tuesday september 15 2026 at 10 30 a.m to be held in 10

[4:24:47] activity center gym right here um and the next regular schedule meeting is monday november 16th

[4:24:53] and 10 a.m that

[4:24:55] Chair Maude: will be a zoom meeting all be made we'll never know write in candidates people

[4:25:01] Trustee Borthwick (probable): wherever you can write it i think he still has to he still has to submit a nomination package

[4:25:16] Voice 9: I move

[4:25:17] Trustee Graham: that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter Part

[4:25:26] Trustee Graham: 4, Division 3, Section 19, brackets 1, brackets F, for the purpose of considering F, bylaw

[4:25:34] Trustee Graham: enforcement. The council considers that disclosure could reasonably be expected to

[4:25:40] Trustee Graham: harm the conduct of an investigation under enforcement of an enactment and that the

[4:25:44] Trustee Graham: reporter be staffed to attend the meeting.

[4:25:46] Trustee Graham: Second.

[4:25:48] Chair Maude: We are in camera.

[4:25:50] Chair Maude: Thanks for coming, guys.

[4:25:51] Chair Maude: Thank you, everybody.

[4:25:53] Voice 9: Thanks

[4:25:53] Chair Maude: for getting through, Secretary.