South Pender Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, January 29, 2021

[0:00:00] Trustee Patrick: just activating the system just stand by we'll open the meeting in just a moment

[0:00:03] Trustee Patrick: good morning just stand by we'll open the meeting in just a moment okay maple it looks like the

[0:00:26] Trustee Patrick: system's all up and running yes

[0:00:28] Voice 1: we're good thank

[0:00:29] Trustee Patrick: you trustees are you ready to begin

[0:00:32] Voice 4: sure

[0:00:33] Trustee Patrick: seeing heads probably excellent well good morning and uh thank you for joining us today

[0:00:39] Trustee Patrick: for this uh regular uh meeting of the south pender local trust committee this meeting is being

[0:00:45] Trustee Patrick: recorded and live streamed. I want to begin by acknowledging how fortunate we are today to be

[0:00:51] Trustee Patrick: able to gather all across the traditional territories of the Coast Salish peoples.

[0:00:56] Trustee Patrick: I'm Laura Patrick. I'm elected on Salt Spring and I'm the chair of this local trust committee

[0:01:00] Trustee Patrick: and I'm joined today by trustee Steve Wright and trustee Cameron Thorne. So good morning.

[0:01:07] Trustee Patrick: Together we make up your South Pender Island local trust committee. So this meeting is an

[0:01:13] Trustee Patrick: official forum for your local trust committee to make decisions about land use planning matters

[0:01:17] Trustee Patrick: and discuss relevant business. I also want to add that this is a place of employment despite the

[0:01:22] Trustee Patrick: fact that many of our staff might be coming from their own homes they have the right to a safe and

[0:01:26] Trustee Patrick: respectful workplace. We're grateful for this ability to have these electronic meetings as it

[0:01:31] Trustee Patrick: allows us ourselves staff and the public to not travel and honor the health orders for the

[0:01:37] Trustee Patrick: the pandemic. We also appreciate your understanding and that because this is an electronic meeting we

[0:01:43] Trustee Patrick: apologize in advance for any technical difficulties and we'll work hard to overcome them

[0:01:48] Trustee Patrick: if they occur. We have muted everyone's microphones so and we will I'll discuss in a few moments how

[0:01:56] Trustee Patrick: you can talk with us during the town hall. We have some staff members joining us today. We have

[0:02:01] Trustee Patrick: Maple Hung our office administrator assistant who is making this virtual meeting run smoothly. Thank

[0:02:06] Trustee Patrick: you very much maple shannon brayford is our minute taker my shannon and we have robert kojima our

[0:02:13] Trustee Patrick: regional planning manager and kim stockville uh island planner good morning uh kim and uh we have

[0:02:19] Trustee Patrick: staff nurse of chadwick and william schulbe will be joining us later in the meeting so trustees we

[0:02:24] Trustee Patrick: have an agenda before us uh there's one suggestion um in the uh for 13.3 that uh william will be

[0:02:34] Trustee Patrick: doing a presentation we were wondering so he doesn't have to stand by waiting for us to discuss

[0:02:39] Trustee Patrick: the other two items in that section if we want to move that to the front of that section

[0:02:43] Trustee Patrick: the groundwater does that make sense are there any other additions or changes to the agenda

[0:02:52] Voice 10: yeah i'd just like to introduce um a proposal for uh the rights of nature so

[0:02:58] Trustee Patrick: would that be

[0:02:59] Trustee Patrick: new business uh

[0:03:00] Voice 10: yeah put it under new business that'd be great any

[0:03:07] Trustee Patrick: other changes to the agenda

[0:03:10] Voice 10: No, I think Kim is going to address agricultural policy under the alternative housing that we had

[0:03:18] Voice 10: for workers housing. And I just want to make sure that that is still still on tap. And we're going

[0:03:26] Voice 10: to go over that the citing policy of the ALR.

[0:03:32] Trustee Patrick: Within 13.2. You're expecting? Yes. We did

[0:03:36] Planner Stockdill: did actually um add 14.1.3 it's the review of project that's where we thought that would be a

[0:03:44] Planner Stockdill: good spot for it um in light of your your two projects nearing the end and a discussion of

[0:03:50] Planner Stockdill: what you'd like on your projects list and i thought we could discuss it then

[0:03:53] Voice 10: perfect great

[0:03:55] Voice 10: thanks jim great great

[0:03:57] Trustee Patrick: so any other changes none so

[0:04:00] Trustee Patrick: with that can we uh approve the agenda as

[0:04:03] Trustee Patrick: as amended through general consent.

[0:04:05] Trustee Patrick: Excellent, seeing heads nodding.

[0:04:07] Trustee Patrick: So thank you very much.

[0:04:08] Trustee Patrick: We move into our trustee reports

[0:04:10] Trustee Patrick: and who we'd like to go first.

[0:04:13] Voice 10: Go ahead, Cam.

[0:04:16] Voice 10: Well,

[0:04:19] Voice 7: reports are different than they used to be.

[0:04:21] Voice 7: I mean, back a year ago used to say,

[0:04:22] Voice 7: well, we had a get together with a few people

[0:04:24] Voice 7: and I saw somebody at the such and such location

[0:04:28] Voice 7: and we had coffee, but that doesn't happen anymore.

[0:04:31] Voice 7: So I guess in terms of trustee reports,

[0:04:33] Voice 7: I mean, I think, you know, everybody, I think everybody's being party to the discussions I've had in the community lately because they've been in the form of a number of special meetings that we've had and we had one here I guess it's about two weeks ago now and then we had several others in December, I think in November and September and so we've had a number of special meetings with the community on on this format, dealing with a variety of things I guess, particularly

[0:05:03] Voice 7: you know, house size, setbacks, preserving the rural character. So I don't think I have anything

[0:05:09] Voice 7: new to add. I'm just happy to keep, you know, engaging with people through any means possible

[0:05:16] Voice 7: in this trying time. And, you know, email continues to work well. My phone works well.

[0:05:21] Voice 7: Maybe a socially distanced stand around a bonfire somewhere works well. So certainly look forward to

[0:05:26] Voice 7: being able to talk to people more on things that interest them here on our island. Thanks.

[0:05:32] Trustee Patrick: Thank you, Trustee Wright.

[0:05:35] Voice 10: Yeah, the only thing I'd say is

[0:05:36] Voice 10: in looking at our agenda,

[0:05:40] Voice 10: the trustee's agenda for the LTC in this term,

[0:05:43] Voice 10: it begins to get a little disappointing

[0:05:46] Voice 10: at how long some of these matters

[0:05:47] Voice 10: are taking to get accomplished.

[0:05:50] Voice 10: I won't go into the details of the timing

[0:05:53] Voice 10: and all that sort of stuff,

[0:05:54] Voice 10: but we have a number of items

[0:05:57] Voice 10: that we'd like to begin under discussion

[0:06:01] Voice 10: and all that sort of stuff.

[0:06:02] Voice 10: So I'm wondering if we can arrange a Zoom meeting

[0:06:06] Voice 10: with the South Penner Island Local Trust Committee,

[0:06:09] Voice 10: Local Planning Services, the CAO and our planning staff

[0:06:13] Voice 10: to discuss the means and the schedule,

[0:06:15] Voice 10: how we can complete some items within the current term,

[0:06:19] Voice 10: because we're finding that because we are restricted

[0:06:23] Voice 10: to only three priorities and given the length of time

[0:06:27] Voice 10: that it takes to get each one completed,

[0:06:29] Voice 10: that we have little chance of getting a hell of a lot more done within our term.

[0:06:36] Voice 10: So I'd just like to see if we can get a meeting together and discuss that.

[0:06:40] Voice 10: Do we need a motion for that?

[0:06:49] Trustee Patrick: I don't know. Maybe under the project discussion later would be a place to do that.

[0:06:56] Trustee Patrick: Yep.

[0:06:57] Trustee Patrick: That makes sense. Okay.

[0:06:58] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[0:06:59] Trustee Patrick: Thank you. My report, right now, Islands Trust has two surveys that are open that people should be aware of. The first one is about the trust policy statement. I was suffering with words there.

[0:07:16] Trustee Patrick: There is a policy directions report and a survey that are on for you to look at on our website.

[0:07:23] Trustee Patrick: It talks about the reconciliation, climate action and affordable housing elements and seeks your feedback on those items.

[0:07:30] Trustee Patrick: And that that survey closes on February 5th. So please, please go to the website and look for that.

[0:07:35] Trustee Patrick: The other survey that's open right now is on the budget, the Trust Council budget for the 21-22 fiscal year.

[0:07:45] Trustee Patrick: and that survey closes on February 7th.

[0:07:51] Trustee Patrick: I was excited to see that money was set aside

[0:07:59] Trustee Patrick: for the Southern Gulf Island Forum

[0:08:01] Trustee Patrick: that Adam Olson has been working hard to get up and going

[0:08:04] Trustee Patrick: and I'm glad to see that

[0:08:05] Trustee Patrick: and I look forward to having those meetings

[0:08:07] Trustee Patrick: to become a formal way that we can work together

[0:08:10] Trustee Patrick: in our Southern Gulf Island region.

[0:08:12] Trustee Patrick: there were two important actions that happened on salt spring just last week that i wanted to

[0:08:18] Trustee Patrick: bring to your attention because they do they do apply to you one is as you know swipa it's a salt

[0:08:23] Trustee Patrick: spring island watershed protection alliance it's been ticking away for several years the local

[0:08:29] Trustee Patrick: trust committee has asked that they we do a strategic plan that really helps to modernize

[0:08:34] Trustee Patrick: the land and water use planning around watershed protection and a key one of the key directions is

[0:08:40] Trustee Patrick: is to make sure we're building reproducible methodology

[0:08:42] Trustee Patrick: and process for the Southern Gulf Islands

[0:08:44] Trustee Patrick: as we address watersheds.

[0:08:46] Trustee Patrick: So I think that's exciting work

[0:08:48] Trustee Patrick: and hopefully see that coming.

[0:08:53] Trustee Patrick: The other is we did a housing action program

[0:08:55] Trustee Patrick: while the specifics of the program

[0:08:57] Trustee Patrick: aren't relative to the island.

[0:08:58] Trustee Patrick: The key element we've said there is through conversation

[0:09:01] Trustee Patrick: with all of our local trust committees,

[0:09:03] Trustee Patrick: we bring different ideas and suggestions to the table

[0:09:08] Trustee Patrick: and we hope that we can have more ideas

[0:09:11] Trustee Patrick: to address housing in a very integrated approach

[0:09:15] Trustee Patrick: of we build houses as you were talking about

[0:09:18] Trustee Patrick: to preserve your rural character and your islands

[0:09:20] Trustee Patrick: and how do we do that going into the future?

[0:09:22] Trustee Patrick: So two pieces of work

[0:09:24] Trustee Patrick: I just wanted to bring to your attention.

[0:09:28] Trustee Patrick: Okay, with that, it's your turn

[0:09:31] Trustee Patrick: to have a chance to talk to us.

[0:09:32] Trustee Patrick: Those are listening.

[0:09:33] Trustee Patrick: Sorry, my participant list fell off.

[0:09:36] Trustee Patrick: There it is.

[0:09:37] Trustee Patrick: so the town hall is your opportunity to speak to us we want to hear your questions and comments

[0:09:42] Trustee Patrick: at this time later in the agenda we'll be talking about things and making decisions and this is the

[0:09:47] Trustee Patrick: time we want to hear from you because it helps us make better decisions so please when you're

[0:09:51] Trustee Patrick: addressing the local trust committee direct your comments to us you're elected not the audience or

[0:09:55] Trustee Patrick: staff and please speak about issues not people and be clear concise and respectful i'm not going

[0:10:00] Trustee Patrick: going to run a time clock but i i will encourage you to wrap up if uh if you're um carrying on

[0:10:06] Trustee Patrick: for at length and we'll go from there so whoops sorry with that there's a the um center of your

[0:10:15] Trustee Patrick: screen is a a hand raising function if you raise that uh we will uh turn on your microphone uh for

[0:10:22] Trustee Patrick: those of you who are live streaming if you had intended to be able to talk to us today you need

[0:10:26] Trustee Patrick: to either be through phone or in the Zoom link, which you can get from the Islands Trust website

[0:10:30] Trustee Patrick: on the South Pender page. And if you weren't able to speak to us today, we always want to hear from

[0:10:37] Trustee Patrick: you. Please send your emails to the trustees or southinfo at islandstrust.bc.ca. So Maple,

[0:10:46] Trustee Patrick: I see we have Paul. Paul, if you take yourself off mute.

[0:10:51] Voice 5: Okay, good morning, trustees. Good

[0:10:53] Voice 5: Good

[0:10:53] Trustee Patrick: morning, I

[0:10:54] Voice 5: was really pleased to see the information brochure on coastal Douglas fir forest for South pender the map is helpful, it gives us an appreciation for.

[0:11:04] Voice 5: What we need to be thinking about and considering so thank you for that also i'm very interested to hear about the issue raised by trustee right.

[0:11:17] Voice 5: Rights of nature later in the meeting so look forward to that Thank you.

[0:11:21] Trustee Patrick: Thank you, Paul. I see Jane. Oops. Oh, sorry. I

[0:11:32] Trustee Patrick: guess what happened there?

[0:11:33] Trustee Patrick: Yeah,

[0:11:34] Voice 1: she put her hand down and I'm just going to put it back up. So

[0:11:41] Trustee Patrick: going crazy there. All

[0:11:42] Voice 13: right. Can

[0:11:43] Trustee Patrick: you

[0:11:44] Voice 13: hear me? Yes, we can. Okay, thanks. So

[0:11:47] Voice 13: just getting back to a question I had raised. Jane, you're muted again.

[0:12:00] Voice 4: I

[0:12:00] Voice 13: did ask about correspondence not being posted on our website and at that time I was told that

[0:12:08] Voice 13: yes it was a little bit behind and that that would be coming so I've checked back several

[0:12:13] Voice 13: times and I see court and I'm particularly relating this correspondence to the short-term

[0:12:19] Voice 13: vacation rental project it says in there it says correspondence coming soon that's 2020

[0:12:25] Voice 13: 2020 now 2021 it still says correspondence coming soon and nothing's been happening there so I just

[0:12:33] Voice 13: wonder what's going on and I also recently wrote to all the trustees and asked that that my

[0:12:38] Voice 13: correspondence be posted still nothing so yet I look on North Pender and I see correspondence

[0:12:43] Voice 13: being posted very promptly so is there some issue with South Pender that this is causing a problem

[0:12:50] Voice 13: here thank

[0:12:51] Trustee Patrick: you Jane for your question I'll ask staff if there's any update on

[0:12:55] Trustee Patrick: the correspondence regarding short-term vacation roles yes

[0:12:58] Planner Stockdill: thank you for noting

[0:12:59] Planner Stockdill: that so any correspondence that is received by staff it is circulated to

[0:13:07] Planner Stockdill: the LTC there is a delay in posting this is a an additional service that we

[0:13:13] Planner Stockdill: provide to the LTC and also community members to post correspondence

[0:13:17] Planner Stockdill: correspondence. Unfortunately there is a delay but we are working on it.

[0:13:24] Voice 13: If I can just say but

[0:13:25] Voice 13: the delay I'm talking about was correspondence I think was received last summer and still not

[0:13:30] Voice 13: posted so just wondering what the problem is.

[0:13:34] Planner Stockdill: Yeah Jane if you have specific correspondence

[0:13:37] Planner Stockdill: feel free to resend it to me and I'll ensure that that has been circulated to the LTC and

[0:13:43] Planner Stockdill: And we will get, our goal will be to have items posted by the end of next week.

[0:13:49] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:13:50] Voice 13: Well, two questions.

[0:13:51] Voice 13: First of all, the correspondence I was initially referring to was not my correspondence.

[0:13:54] Voice 13: It was correspondence that was referred to in the trust minutes from Peter Brook and

[0:14:00] Voice 13: never did get posted when I asked.

[0:14:03] Voice 13: And then my correspondence, it went to the three trustees.

[0:14:06] Voice 13: I assume you received it, but, and I did not copy.

[0:14:10] Voice 13: I don't know if I did copy the trust committee,

[0:14:13] Voice 13: but I mean the staff.

[0:14:15] Voice 13: So, but I'm assuming that it would eventually get to them.

[0:14:17] Voice 13: So I don't know if that what the process is there.

[0:14:20] Trustee Patrick: Jane, we'll certainly look into that specific piece

[0:14:23] Trustee Patrick: from I do recall the conversation

[0:14:25] Trustee Patrick: that the two trustees had received that the day before

[0:14:28] Trustee Patrick: and had referenced it during the meeting.

[0:14:30] Trustee Patrick: And so we'll follow up and make sure that that is indeed.

[0:14:35] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[0:14:37] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:14:39] Trustee Patrick: any other questions Jane or no that's it thanks thank you very much um I see Paul's hand is still

[0:14:47] Trustee Patrick: up Paul were you uh asking a second time to speak here push

[0:14:55] Voice 5: the no I I wasn't I must okay

[0:14:57] Trustee Patrick: no no worries thank you Paul I see that uh Gordy has his hand up

[0:15:02] Voice 5: or Gordy

[0:15:07] Trustee Patrick: you can should be able

[0:15:07] Trustee Patrick: good

[0:15:08] Voice 9: morning um I guess I have a number of questions with respect to the STVR issue

[0:15:14] Voice 9: particularly and my first question would be I assume it's going to proceed with

[0:15:23] Voice 9: TUPs and so therefore my understanding is that a TUP is only good for six years

[0:15:32] Voice 9: so what would happen excuse me to an operator that is operated the sixth year

[0:15:38] Voice 9: and wants to stay going the seventh year how can they go proceed so I don't should

[0:15:45] Voice 9: Should I ask another question or?

[0:15:48] Trustee Patrick: No, Gordy, we'd be happy to answer that question.

[0:15:50] Trustee Patrick: I know, I believe I can answer it.

[0:15:52] Trustee Patrick: And if staff can correct me if I'm wrong,

[0:15:55] Trustee Patrick: how the temporary use permits work

[0:15:57] Trustee Patrick: is that you apply the first time

[0:16:00] Trustee Patrick: and we can only issue it for a maximum of three years

[0:16:03] Trustee Patrick: and then it can be renewed for an additional three years.

[0:16:06] Trustee Patrick: So that's the six years that you referred to.

[0:16:08] Trustee Patrick: At the end of the sixth year, you have to apply again.

[0:16:11] Trustee Patrick: So the way the local government act and so forth,

[0:16:14] Trustee Patrick: there is no limit on the number of times you apply at this time it's up to the trustees to

[0:16:20] Trustee Patrick: you know how they take that but you have to reapply after that second the term of three

[0:16:27] Trustee Patrick: years max and it's an up to three years uh that we can issue it staff did i get that right or need

[0:16:35] Trustee Patrick: any corrections oh i'm seeing head nodding i'm learning this uh thumbs up from robert thank you

[0:16:42] Voice 14: very

[0:16:42] Trustee Patrick: much and i should

[0:16:45] Trustee Patrick: i can add gordy that um i'm through the ubcm which is the union of bc

[0:16:50] Trustee Patrick: municipalities uh a municipality did enter a motion asking that um that there that that be

[0:16:57] Trustee Patrick: limited and it was a resounding defeat municipalities wanted that to be left in the

[0:17:01] Trustee Patrick: hand of the political decisions not to not to be limited so i don't see that change coming

[0:17:07] Trustee Patrick: from local government act anyway second question well

[0:17:12] Voice 9: just to follow up on that so the

[0:17:15] Voice 9: reapplication every time is includes the associated cost size and yes well

[0:17:22] Trustee Patrick: the renewal has a small fee

[0:17:24] Trustee Patrick: so there's the fee you pay the first time a renewal has a smaller fee and um and then yes

[0:17:30] Trustee Patrick: you would have to reapply and pay the fee on a reapplication okay

[0:17:35] Voice 9: thank you um um since the

[0:17:38] Voice 9: the implementation of bylaws 117 was implied

[0:17:45] Voice 9: that a list of the existing STV operators

[0:17:49] Voice 9: would be identified.

[0:17:52] Voice 9: Has that been done now and how large is the list?

[0:18:00] Voice 10: Yeah, I'm not sure if the list has been compiled yet Gordy

[0:18:04] Voice 10: because we haven't decided on what the bylaw amendments

[0:18:09] Voice 10: will be.

[0:18:09] Voice 10: So until that happens, until we come to a decision, we haven't really gone ahead on doing much other work.

[0:18:21] Voice 9: So irrespective of your decisions, that would be done then, unless you decide not to do anything?

[0:18:28] Voice 10: That's right.

[0:18:29] Voice 10: Right. If we proceed with any amendments to the bylaw, depending on what those amendments are,

[0:18:35] Voice 10: then we would take whatever steps is necessary to bring the terms and conditions of that bylaw

[0:18:42] Voice 10: into fruition.

[0:18:48] Voice 9: Okay. Well, I have more questions, but I don't want to take up.

[0:18:51] Voice 10: No, go

[0:18:51] Voice 10: ahead, Gordy. I mean, I think if you hang in there, probably a lot of your questions are

[0:18:57] Voice 10: going to get answered by Cameron and I at the time when we discussed the bylaw. But if you have

[0:19:03] Voice 10: specific concerns for sure ask them right now it's uh it's as good a time as any well i've

[0:19:10] Voice 9: um another thing the 200 meter radius that's proposed in the in one of the staff reports

[0:19:17] Voice 9: there and seems to be talked about quite quite a bit um it's quite quite large but i'm wondering

[0:19:26] Voice 9: why that wouldn't apply to B&Bs as well. Even if you do limit STVRs to 200 meter radius that

[0:19:36] Voice 9: says nothing, all the space in between could be filled up with B&Bs. So it seems to me if you're

[0:19:43] Voice 9: going to do one, you should be doing the other to make it fair for both operators.

[0:19:49] Voice 10: That is certainly

[0:19:50] Voice 10: one of the one of the items that we'll be discussing for sure so rather rather me repeat

[0:19:56] Voice 10: myself uh we'll we'll do it under under discussion the bylaw would that be okay yeah that's fine

[0:20:03] Voice 10: thanks and one more question okay if there's any other points you want discussed just

[0:20:07] Voice 10: just give us the idea of what points you want us to discuss and we can respond at that time for you

[0:20:12] Voice 10: well

[0:20:14] Voice 9: just in terms of the um i was looking at the budget there and i see the total cost for

[0:20:22] Voice 9: the stvr project is 171.25 to date as near as i can tell so uh it appears it seems to me then

[0:20:33] Voice 9: that uh you know we did the you did the online survey plus the plus the individual mail out to

[0:20:42] Voice 9: to all the property owners,

[0:20:45] Voice 9: assumably all for $171.

[0:20:49] Voice 9: So it seems pretty obvious to me

[0:20:52] Voice 9: that it should be no problem sending out mailers

[0:20:56] Voice 9: to all property owners of these proposals and the changes.

[0:21:01] Voice 9: There's quite a bit left in the budget

[0:21:03] Voice 9: that would accommodate as near as I can see.

[0:21:06] Voice 9: Is that correct?

[0:21:07] Voice 9: Am I correct in the 171.25?

[0:21:13] Voice 9: total expenses to stvr project so far yeah

[0:21:18] Voice 6: that's as of december 31st so

[0:21:22] Voice 9: that's over the full two

[0:21:23] Voice 9: years or whatever you've been had

[0:21:25] Voice 6: oh that was just the that's the the current project so there

[0:21:29] Voice 6: was addition there was all the costs associated with the bylaw 117 process this is the the current

[0:21:35] Voice 6: project which is to amend the OCP and the land use bylaw and so that that's the 117

[0:21:44] Voice 6: dollar expenditure there was a previous budget and previous expenditures for that other

[0:21:50] Voice 6: that other amendment okay

[0:21:53] Voice 9: and that's the one that would have included the mail out in the

[0:21:57] Voice 9: survey yeah okay

[0:21:59] Voice 4: all

[0:22:01] Voice 9: right thank you thank you very much

[0:22:03] Trustee Patrick: Gordy is there anyone else that would

[0:22:06] Trustee Patrick: would like to talk today just have to raise your hand your trustees always want to hear from you

[0:22:15] Trustee Patrick: is so please uh please always reach out and contact us and you can send emails to south

[0:22:20] Trustee Patrick: info at islandstrust.bc.ca um so so please always reach out well thank you all right

[0:22:31] Trustee Patrick: with that we'll move on to our agenda uh the next item here is our minutes that we uh we have uh

[0:22:39] Trustee Patrick: just for receipt the November six minutes we have for adoption a series of minutes here

[0:22:46] Trustee Patrick: so we have the November 14th minutes let me get to that so I have the right page here

[0:22:56] Trustee Patrick: so we have the November 14th minutes here on page 12 are there any corrections or additions to the

[0:23:02] Trustee Patrick: November 14th minutes one

[0:23:05] Voice 10: that I see I move to adopt I

[0:23:07] Trustee Patrick: think we can just we can approve through

[0:23:09] Trustee Patrick: through general consent, if that saves us.

[0:23:11] Trustee Patrick: Even better.

[0:23:12] Trustee Patrick: So can we approve the November 14th

[0:23:15] Trustee Patrick: through general consent?

[0:23:15] Trustee Patrick: Yes. Thumbs up.

[0:23:17] Trustee Patrick: So thank you.

[0:23:17] Trustee Patrick: And then the next set we have, which is on page 15

[0:23:22] Trustee Patrick: which is the November 28th special minutes.

[0:23:25] Trustee Patrick: Now we, I assume that will require both sets

[0:23:28] Trustee Patrick: of trustees to approve these.

[0:23:30] Trustee Patrick: So it's your approval.

[0:23:33] Trustee Patrick: So do we have, can we approve the November 28th minutes

[0:23:37] Trustee Patrick: and it's through general consent, seeing thumbs up.

[0:23:39] Trustee Patrick: Thank you very much.

[0:23:41] Trustee Patrick: And then we have the January 15th, which are on page 18.

[0:23:46] Trustee Patrick: Again, this is just yours.

[0:23:50] Trustee Patrick: Can you approve through general consent?

[0:23:53] Voice 10: Yes.

[0:23:54] Trustee Patrick: Great, thank you very much.

[0:23:57] Trustee Patrick: So moving on, we just have some reports here

[0:24:00] Trustee Patrick: from information and then we have the follow-up action report

[0:24:03] Trustee Patrick: on page 23.

[0:24:04] Trustee Patrick: Are there any questions on the follow-up action report?

[0:24:09] Voice 2: uh no not at the moment cameron

[0:24:12] Trustee Patrick: no

[0:24:13] Voice 2: i'm just looking at it again no no

[0:24:16] Trustee Patrick: okay staff is there

[0:24:18] Trustee Patrick: anything you wish to bring to our attention from the follow-up action list all right thank you

[0:24:23] Trustee Patrick: other

[0:24:24] Voice 6: than everything's been completed okay everything

[0:24:27] Trustee Patrick: has been completed

[0:24:33] Trustee Patrick: so that's always always good news okay so moving on um uh we have uh under 12.1 we have a north

[0:24:43] Trustee Patrick: pender island uh referral response which is a uh you know who would like to talk to that it's a bit

[0:24:50] Trustee Patrick: of an odd process because we met yesterday and so i'll let staff

[0:24:54] Planner Stockdill: take this one thank you so this is

[0:24:57] Planner Stockdill: a bylaw referral from the North Pender LTC. This is in regards to their bylaw number 222 which is

[0:25:05] Planner Stockdill: their short-term vacation rental project. Both North Pender and South Pender are moving along.

[0:25:13] Planner Stockdill: They have separate bylaws but are moving together in this process as they're hoping to have a

[0:25:19] Planner Stockdill: similar TUP guidelines. So at yesterday's North Pender LTC meeting, they actually did make a

[0:25:27] Planner Stockdill: number of amendments to bylaw number 222. And I just want to update the South Pender LTC on that.

[0:25:34] Planner Stockdill: And I can also speak to it when we start to discuss the South Pender's short-term vacation

[0:25:39] Planner Stockdill: rental project. So one of the amendments to bylaw number 222 that North Pender LTC made

[0:25:49] Planner Stockdill: was they removed guideline 6.4.17, and that's with regards to permitting the issuance of a TUP

[0:26:01] Planner Stockdill: for short-term vacation rental in a secondary suite. The North Bender LTC also added a guideline

[0:26:08] Planner Stockdill: line that actually adds a cap for temporary use permits within Magic Lake to 20. In addition,

[0:26:19] Planner Stockdill: they added a stipulation regards to that TUPs for dwelling units and cottages should also have

[0:26:31] Planner Stockdill: have a occupancy permit approval and this was based on a comment received by the CRD.

[0:26:38] Planner Stockdill: And the last amendment they made was to 6.4.14 that the applicant must provide information

[0:26:48] Planner Stockdill: to the guests regarding wildfire and outdoor burning.

[0:26:51] Planner Stockdill: And so at this point, this is a bylaw referral form for the South Pender LTC to consider

[0:26:58] Planner Stockdill: and that's on page 26 of the the agenda package there are four options for the LTC to consider

[0:27:06] Planner Stockdill: and I can also speak to these changes that the North Pender LTC made in more detail when we

[0:27:13] Planner Stockdill: discussed the South Penders short-term vacation rental project and

[0:27:18] Trustee Patrick: I can tell you as they received

[0:27:20] Trustee Patrick: your referral on the short-term vacation rental in yesterday's meeting their decision was they

[0:27:25] Trustee Patrick: They approved it, recommended subject to you reading

[0:27:29] Trustee Patrick: the minutes from yesterday's meeting,

[0:27:32] Trustee Patrick: which Planner Stockdale just gave you the decisions from.

[0:27:38] Trustee Patrick: So I don't know how you would like to proceed with this one.

[0:27:43] Voice 10: Well, I think that we agree at least I certainly do agree

[0:27:48] Voice 10: with the principles of which North Bender

[0:27:50] Voice 10: is approaching this issue.

[0:27:52] Voice 10: Some of the details of course are gonna be vastly different

[0:27:54] Voice 10: from ours in some cases.

[0:27:57] Voice 10: My only question is the maximum number of 20 TUPs

[0:28:00] Voice 10: to be issued in Magic Lake.

[0:28:02] Voice 10: Is that Magic Lake generally or in the water district only?

[0:28:05] Trustee Patrick: It was the water district was the boundary.

[0:28:08] Voice 10: Okay, then if that's the case,

[0:28:14] Voice 10: I mean, I don't agree with everything that they've done,

[0:28:17] Voice 10: but I don't think that is necessarily going to

[0:28:24] Voice 10: give me any hesitation in approving

[0:28:29] Voice 10: their bylaws, I'd say that in most cases, we're unaffected by their bylaw, but certainly I

[0:28:41] Voice 10: appreciate the principles in which they are undertaking their review.

[0:28:46] Voice 7: Trustee Thorne,

[0:28:47] Voice 7: any comments? Yeah, no, I read, Kim, thank you for sending the red line to me. I did take a

[0:28:54] Voice 7: a read of it. And again, you know, I respect the autonomy of North Pender. I don't feel whether I

[0:29:02] Voice 7: agree or disagree, and you'll hear more of my comments when we get to our own item on the

[0:29:05] Voice 7: agenda. As you noted, there are some areas between their bylaw and our proposed bylaw where there's

[0:29:12] Voice 7: a fair bit of similarity. Obviously, they've made some some changes to two aspects of theirs,

[0:29:18] Voice 7: and that's fine. I think, again, it won't, I don't believe it's going to affect the interests

[0:29:22] Voice 7: as a self pender, but I'll look forward to focusing

[0:29:26] Voice 7: on our own bylaw when the time comes.

[0:29:30] Trustee Patrick: Thank you very much.

[0:29:31] Trustee Patrick: How would you like to proceed here?

[0:29:32] Trustee Patrick: You have four choices on page 26, what makes sense to you?

[0:29:38] Trustee Patrick: As I said, they chose the second one subject

[0:29:40] Trustee Patrick: to asking you to, or bringing their minutes

[0:29:43] Trustee Patrick: to your attention.

[0:29:45] Voice 7: I would, Chair Patrick, I would say interests unaffected

[0:29:53] Voice 7: by the bylaw.

[0:29:56] Trustee Patrick: all right one

[0:29:57] Trustee Patrick: of you would like to make a motion to that

[0:30:00] Trustee Patrick: I

[0:30:00] Voice 7: would make a motion that South Pender's interests were unaffected by the bylaw changes of North Pender.

[0:30:08] Voice 7: Bylaw 222.

[0:30:09] Trustee Patrick: I know Shannon is really good at scripting that motion. Shannon, would you like to read what he

[0:30:18] Voice 4: just said?

[0:30:21] Trustee Patrick: Before someone seconds it?

[0:30:25] Voice 14: so that the south pender island local trust committee respond to north pender local trust

[0:30:32] Voice 14: committee bylaw number 222 referral with interest unaffected ah uh

[0:30:37] Trustee Patrick: cameron thorn our trustee thorn

[0:30:39] Trustee Patrick: much

[0:30:40] Voice 7: more elegantly stated thank you all

[0:30:43] Trustee Patrick: right is there a second to that motion

[0:30:45] Trustee Patrick: i'll

[0:30:45] Voice 7: second great

[0:30:46] Trustee Patrick: is there any discussion i'll call the vote uh cameron you you're uh frozen

[0:30:51] Trustee Patrick: on your video so you'll have to give me an audible vote if you could. So I'll

[0:30:55] Trustee Patrick: call the vote. All those in favor? In favor.

[0:30:58] Trustee Patrick: So that is carried. Thank you.

[0:31:01] Voice 4: Am I still

[0:31:01] Voice 4: frozen?

[0:31:02] Trustee Patrick: Yeah you're frozen but it's it's not a it's it's a pleasant look on your

[0:31:07] Trustee Patrick: face.

[0:31:10] Voice 10: Like you're approaching a lure.

[0:31:14] Trustee Patrick: So that's all right those things happen.

[0:31:17] Trustee Patrick: Okay I do note that we had talked about changing I see Planner Chadwick is here

[0:31:22] Trustee Patrick: but i don't see um uh william schulbe uh so should we proceed with without moving that item forward

[0:31:31] Trustee Patrick: is that um

[0:31:31] Voice 4: okay

[0:31:33] Trustee Patrick: then so we'll we'll go as as presented for now and if he shows up we'll slip

[0:31:37] Trustee Patrick: him in um in between items there so 13.1 is the short-term vacation uh review staff report and we

[0:31:45] Trustee Patrick: have a kim stockdale i believe you'll give that report yes

[0:31:49] Planner Stockdill: thank you page 31 page 31 of the agenda

[0:31:52] Planner Stockdill: agenda. This purpose of this report is to provide a project update and to outline the next steps for

[0:32:00] Planner Stockdill: the short-term vacation rental projects. At the there was the two bylaws by the 119 and 120 were

[0:32:07] Planner Stockdill: presented at the November 6 LTC meeting and at that meeting the LTC decided to make amendments

[0:32:14] Planner Stockdill: to the bylaw. The two bylaws were then given first reading through an RWM process and in summary

[0:32:23] Planner Stockdill: the bylaw 120 would amend the South Pender land use bylaw by removing short-term vacation rental

[0:32:29] Planner Stockdill: use of cottages as a home business. In addition, bylaw 119 would then amend the South Pender

[0:32:37] Planner Stockdill: official community plan by adding short-term vacation rental guidelines to the TUP section.

[0:32:43] Planner Stockdill: And so if the two bylaws were adopted, what would happen is if somebody would like to apply or

[0:32:49] Planner Stockdill: operate a short-term vacation rental, they would have to do so by issuance of a temporary use

[0:32:55] Planner Stockdill: permit, which would be approved or not approved by the South Pender LTC. The LTC does have the

[0:33:04] Planner Stockdill: option to make minor amendments at this point to both proposed bylaws. And I've included draft

[0:33:11] Planner Stockdill: resolutions for the South Pender LTC's consideration in the alternative section of the staff report.

[0:33:17] Planner Stockdill: And you can make some minor amendments to these bylaws, although significant amendments may require a first reading for both bylaws again.

[0:33:30] Planner Stockdill: And as I mentioned previously, the North Pender LTC made some amendments to their bylaw 222 in regards to amending the temporary use permit section of their OCP.

[0:33:43] Planner Stockdill: a majority of these amendments to their bylaw were in regards were North Pender specific

[0:33:50] Planner Stockdill: although they did have the North Pender LTC did have a discussion in regards to

[0:33:57] Planner Stockdill: that limit of a number of days as short-term vacation rental could operate during the summer

[0:34:04] Planner Stockdill: months although no there wasn't a decision or there weren't any amendments made to the bylaw

[0:34:10] Planner Stockdill: So that's something that certainly there was a discussion about and the North Pender LTC may consider making amendments to their bylaw after their public hearing, which is scheduled for February 25th.

[0:34:25] Planner Stockdill: So at this point, the referrals have been sent out for both South Pender bylaws 119 and 120.

[0:34:35] Planner Stockdill: And at the time of writing the report, there were no responses received from agencies or First Nations.

[0:34:41] Planner Stockdill: When staff do receive these referrals, it will be circulated to the LTC for their consideration.

[0:34:47] Planner Stockdill: It will also be included in the public hearing binder.

[0:34:49] Planner Stockdill: reminder. There's a timeline that's included in the staff report which outlines a general process

[0:34:55] Planner Stockdill: for OCP amendments. So at this point the LTC has given first reading the the bylaw referrals have

[0:35:02] Planner Stockdill: been sent out and so at this point this is when a LTC would consider scheduling a community

[0:35:07] Planner Stockdill: information meeting and a public hearing and after the public hearing at that point the LTC would

[0:35:13] Planner Stockdill: then give a second and third reading. There's also an opportunity to make minor amendments then

[0:35:19] Planner Stockdill: And then at that point, the by-law would go off to Executive Committee and the Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing for approval.

[0:35:27] Planner Stockdill: And the by-law would then come back to the LTC for final reading and adoption.

[0:35:33] Planner Stockdill: So staff have included at the beginning of the staff report a recommendation that the South Pender LTC request staff to schedule a community information and a public hearing for both by-laws.

[0:35:50] Planner Stockdill: and that we're hoping to be scheduled

[0:35:52] Planner Stockdill: for the March 5th LTC meeting.

[0:35:55] Planner Stockdill: There is also the Islands Trust Policy Statement

[0:35:58] Planner Stockdill: that is attached for the LTC's consideration.

[0:36:02] Planner Stockdill: And in addition, there is a staff have provided

[0:36:06] Planner Stockdill: a recommendation for the LTC,

[0:36:09] Planner Stockdill: which is included on the first page of the staff report.

[0:36:13] Planner Stockdill: So the next steps, if the LTC makes both recommendations

[0:36:18] Planner Stockdill: would be to schedule the community information meeting and public hearing for the March 5th

[0:36:22] Planner Stockdill: LTC meeting and I'm happy to answer any questions the LTC may have.

[0:36:28] Trustee Patrick: Before we begin can I just ask

[0:36:31] Trustee Patrick: there was that one referral from the CRD I know you touched on it earlier but in regards to North

[0:36:37] Trustee Patrick: Pender but I think it could be relevant here.

[0:36:40] Planner Stockdill: Yes so North Pender LTC did receive a referral

[0:36:45] Planner Stockdill: from the CRD building department,

[0:36:48] Planner Stockdill: making a recommendation that the LTC only support

[0:36:51] Planner Stockdill: applications where the dwelling unit or cottage

[0:36:55] Planner Stockdill: has received a occupancy permit approval.

[0:37:00] Planner Stockdill: South Pender, although the referrals have been sent out,

[0:37:03] Planner Stockdill: we haven't received any comments from the CRD to date,

[0:37:06] Planner Stockdill: but I would imagine the South Pender LTC

[0:37:09] Planner Stockdill: would receive a similar comment.

[0:37:10] Planner Stockdill: So South Pender LTC could consider adding an additional guideline that would require that.

[0:37:19] Planner Stockdill: And I can provide a draft motion for that if the LTC would like.

[0:37:23] Voice 10: Yes, please.

[0:37:25] Planner Stockdill: Trustees, questions?

[0:37:27] Voice 7: Trustee Thorne.

[0:37:28] Voice 7: Chair Patrick, do I have video again or just?

[0:37:33] Voice 7: Yes, you do.

[0:37:34] Voice 7: Oh, thank God.

[0:37:35] Voice 7: Okay.

[0:37:36] Voice 7: Thanks for the background on the report, Kim.

[0:37:41] Voice 7: Um, um, I guess maybe I'm just looking to see maybe what the next logical steps are,

[0:37:47] Voice 7: because as you said, that there is an opportunity to make some amendments, um, minor amendments

[0:37:52] Voice 7: to the draft bylaws at this point in time.

[0:37:55] Voice 7: And, uh, and if that, if this is the appropriate time to do that, then I would like to, to

[0:38:00] Voice 7: speak about that.

[0:38:03] Voice 7: Okay.

[0:38:03] Voice 7: That

[0:38:04] Trustee Patrick: is, I think, I believe it's the appropriate time.

[0:38:06] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[0:38:07] Voice 7: So

[0:38:07] Trustee Patrick: I, I, um,

[0:38:08] Voice 7: and I'm certainly, I certainly like the idea of a community information meeting

[0:38:12] Voice 7: proceeding a public hearing that's great um but but there's a few things that i see in the draft

[0:38:18] Voice 7: bylaw that uh both bylaws that um that um i guess some of them are questions and then some of them

[0:38:24] Voice 7: are are comments and and you know i uh uh have um received a fair bit well i guess collectively

[0:38:33] Voice 7: we've all received a fair bit of correspondence on this and and i know uh jane talked about

[0:38:38] Voice 7: about the comments from Peter Brook

[0:38:41] Voice 7: and Peter sent us comments back in September

[0:38:44] Voice 7: and I've read those numerous times

[0:38:47] Voice 7: and I thought that there was a lot of good points in there

[0:38:48] Voice 7: and then Jane in her letter earlier this month

[0:38:53] Voice 7: had some comments and I've reflected upon those

[0:38:55] Voice 7: and I think both of our community members

[0:38:59] Voice 7: have raised some good points

[0:39:00] Voice 7: that I think I would like to speak to as well.

[0:39:04] Voice 7: On the first one, bylaw 119,

[0:39:07] Voice 7: These are a couple of questions. This relates to amending the OCP. On page 37 of the report,

[0:39:18] Voice 7: item two, it's proposed that we would delete a component of the OCP as it speaks to short-term

[0:39:30] Voice 7: vacation rentals, providing economic return, offer a visitor an opportunity to experience

[0:39:35] Voice 7: rural island living and an alternative form of accommodation to bed and breakfast so to me

[0:39:41] Voice 7: i i guess i'm questioning why that why we would remove that because i i don't personally uh

[0:39:48] Voice 7: disagree with that i you know if we're going to entertain um a tup for short-term vacation

[0:39:55] Voice 7: rentals i don't unless i'm mistaken here i don't see that that would be you know um in conflict

[0:40:01] Voice 7: with the statement that short-term vacation rentals

[0:40:04] Voice 7: provide economic return.

[0:40:05] Voice 7: So that would be one comment.

[0:40:08] Voice 7: And the other comment would be on item four of this bylaw,

[0:40:13] Voice 7: which is where we're talking about

[0:40:15] Voice 7: deleting clause 3.1.2 E.2, removing that entirely.

[0:40:22] Voice 7: And again, I'm asking the question

[0:40:25] Voice 7: because some of the things that jumped out at me

[0:40:26] Voice 7: when I read that in the OCP,

[0:40:28] Voice 7: it says that short-term vacation rentals may be allowed subject to regulation and that also that

[0:40:37] Voice 7: regulations with respect to short-term dwellings need to be developed with perspective to land

[0:40:43] Voice 7: use compatibility and minimize adverse effects on adjacent lots and this type of thing to me

[0:40:49] Voice 7: these are not untrue statements and so I'm I'm wondering why we would have to remove those

[0:40:53] Voice 7: even if we elected to go with the tup process thanks i'll

[0:40:58] Trustee Patrick: look to stop is that yes thank you

[0:41:02] Planner Stockdill: uh those uh sections of the ocp were were uh proposed to be removed based on the fact that

[0:41:09] Planner Stockdill: you were uh proposing to remove all regulations in your land use bylaw uh for short-term vacation

[0:41:16] Planner Stockdill: rentals and so um it's also then removing any type of enabling uh language in your official

[0:41:23] Planner Stockdill: community plan and you're adding a temporary use permit a guideline specifically for short

[0:41:29] Planner Stockdill: term vacation rental based on the fact that this is a temporary use it's not permitted

[0:41:35] Planner Stockdill: in your land use bylaw so that's why these policies were removed from your OCP. The LTC

[0:41:43] Planner Stockdill: does have the option to retain the policies in the OCP if they feel as though those are

[0:41:50] Planner Stockdill: are important to keep.

[0:41:52] Voice 7: Okay, thanks.

[0:41:54] Voice 7: And I understand the importance of making sure

[0:42:01] Voice 7: that if this is sort of enabling policy

[0:42:04] Voice 7: to something that could be changed

[0:42:06] Voice 7: as a result of by-law 112 or 120,

[0:42:10] Voice 7: that obviously we don't want ambiguity

[0:42:13] Voice 7: in our OCP and our land use by-law.

[0:42:17] Voice 7: But I guess it's just a question for,

[0:42:19] Voice 7: I'd like to hear my colleagues' comments on this, but to me, I understand the principles behind what short-term vacation rentals can do, and I also want to make sure that, again, that it doesn't have the unintended effect of enabling all homes to have STBRs without some form of regulation.

[0:42:44] Voice 7: So, anyhow, I just

[0:42:45] Voice 7: wanted to see what other people think on that one.

[0:42:51] Voice 10: I hear what you're saying, Cam. Actually, I didn't even give any of those articles

[0:42:58] Voice 10: consideration here. The only thing I'd say about Article 3.1.2 , the background,

[0:43:05] Voice 10: is that in a sense it's stating the obvious, so I'm not sure if that is necessary. But if this is

[0:43:13] Voice 10: in any way to remove, as you say, the ambiguity between the OCP and the land use by-law, then

[0:43:19] Voice 10: then I have no objection to it

[0:43:22] Voice 10: because that just makes sense to me.

[0:43:28] Voice 10: If you want to talk about the rest of it,

[0:43:33] Voice 10: this has been at times controversial

[0:43:39] Voice 10: by a number of people.

[0:43:40] Voice 10: It has been lengthy.

[0:43:42] Voice 10: It has been questioned over a certain length of time.

[0:43:47] Voice 10: And even the strategy that LTC followed was questioned.

[0:43:52] Voice 10: but I think we'll all agree that inviting a couple over for dinner is quite a bit different

[0:43:58] Voice 10: from having the entire neighborhood over. And while those large numbers, they can be fun on

[0:44:03] Voice 10: occasion, it does get tiring if they're coming every night or even every weekend. And the wear

[0:44:09] Voice 10: and tear on the place begins to be a little more obvious and significant. And I use that as an

[0:44:16] Voice 10: analogy because the reason I supported a review of the SDVR, including B&Bs, cottage rentals,

[0:44:22] Voice 10: and commercial accommodation was to respond to the number of complaints that we had been hearing

[0:44:26] Voice 10: from the community about the growing number of tourists and the implications they were having

[0:44:31] Voice 10: on residents' daily life, the ferry service, our limited infrastructure, and even the higher risk

[0:44:37] Voice 10: of wildfires. Some residents suggested the review as anti-tourism, injuring the local economy and

[0:44:43] Voice 10: impinging upon individual property rights. I disagree with that. Tourism has been and always

[0:44:49] Voice 10: will be a part of our economy, and there will be always someone in the community that will decide

[0:44:54] Voice 10: to open a business in order to support it. If we wish to discuss local economies, then we need to

[0:45:00] Voice 10: think about diversifying it, not creating a single aspect that, as COVID has shown, can be extremely

[0:45:07] Voice 10: risky for a lot of our tourism businesses. Along with all the other industries that can impact the

[0:45:13] Voice 10: environment and the character or the lifestyle of a community, tourism should be managed and

[0:45:18] Voice 10: regulated in a way so it can prosper without having detrimental impacts to residents or the

[0:45:24] Voice 10: environment. In the past few years, tourism has been more or less thrust upon us by irresponsible

[0:45:31] Voice 10: and in cases misleading promotions by the province, local business groups and tourism boards without

[0:45:37] Voice 10: any broad community involvement. I disagree with that aspect of it. Tourism should be a healthy

[0:45:43] Voice 10: component of our economy and one that's supported and encouraged by the entire community and not by

[0:45:48] Voice 10: just one segment of it. It should not overburden the local, the limited resources, the environment,

[0:45:54] Voice 10: our infrastructure, or our medical and first response crews. And it's incumbent upon trustees

[0:45:58] Voice 10: to consider means of managing tourism rather than allowing it to continue unabated. So the question

[0:46:05] Voice 10: comes down to is how do we accomplish all this? What can the Islands Trust and us as trustees do

[0:46:10] Voice 10: with the limited authority that we have? And it seems to me that the only thing we can do is limit

[0:46:15] Voice 10: the number of beds and to establish a registry so that we can collect the pertinent data that we can

[0:46:20] Voice 10: use to determine the success or failure of these strategies. The second and perhaps the most

[0:46:27] Voice 10: difficult decision the community has to make is how many tourists are too many. Presently Poets'

[0:46:33] Voice 10: Cove accommodates 450 persons, double the number of our permanent residents. So is that problematic

[0:46:39] Voice 10: or would three times our population be too many? Do we take into account the number of tourists

[0:46:44] Voice 10: coming down from north pender and how does that number of absentee owners who choose to come to

[0:46:49] Voice 10: use your homes factor into the island's capacity carry everyone this will require establishing

[0:46:55] Voice 10: what the ultimate build out is and what the carrying capacity islands environment is and

[0:47:01] Voice 10: one aspect of that work is currently being undertaken with the groundwater study what

[0:47:06] Voice 10: has not begun is a determination of exactly what is south pender island's tourism policy

[0:47:12] Voice 10: and its objectives.

[0:47:14] Voice 10: I've listened to many different perspectives through emails

[0:47:17] Voice 10: and speaking with several residents and owners of SDVRs.

[0:47:21] Voice 10: Virtually everyone agrees, including myself,

[0:47:24] Voice 10: that SDVRs do offer tourists a special opportunity

[0:47:27] Voice 10: to visit the island and offer the community

[0:47:29] Voice 10: a number of benefits, monetary, social, and cultural.

[0:47:34] Voice 10: A majority also mentioned the importance

[0:47:36] Voice 10: of protecting our finite natural resources,

[0:47:38] Voice 10: particularly freshwater,

[0:47:39] Voice 10: and our rural character and lifestyle,

[0:47:41] Voice 10: style. Both residents and operators were relatively consistent. There was value in regulating STVRs

[0:47:49] Voice 10: with some limitations to the number of STVRs and guests, and that those regulations should

[0:47:55] Voice 10: not be cumbersome or complicated, and importantly, must be enforceable. So those are the matters that

[0:48:02] Voice 10: I will speak to today, but I am willing to answer any questions about any other matter that might

[0:48:07] Voice 10: might come up in the public.

[0:48:08] Voice 10: To begin with, we have to consider what legislative tools

[0:48:11] Voice 10: the trust has to address this issue.

[0:48:13] Voice 10: And unfortunately, they are very few.

[0:48:15] Voice 10: We can recognize all types of tourist accommodation

[0:48:19] Voice 10: for what they are, commercial use in a residential area.

[0:48:22] Voice 10: Through zoning, we can limit density,

[0:48:25] Voice 10: such as the number of beds.

[0:48:26] Voice 10: As for registering and collecting data,

[0:48:29] Voice 10: we unfortunately have only one option,

[0:48:31] Voice 10: and that's the temporary use permit, TUP.

[0:48:33] Voice 10: The TUP was not necessarily designed

[0:48:36] Voice 10: for this type of application,

[0:48:38] Voice 10: and it comes with a somewhat owner's

[0:48:39] Voice 10: administrative component and cost.

[0:48:42] Voice 10: Chair Patrick has recommended a regional approach

[0:48:44] Voice 10: to looking into business licensing, which I support.

[0:48:47] Voice 10: But in the meantime, and having no alternative,

[0:48:50] Voice 10: I reluctantly feel obliged to use the TUP.

[0:48:54] Voice 10: To make an application easier

[0:48:56] Voice 10: and perhaps more palatable to the applicant,

[0:48:59] Voice 10: I suggest the following with respect to bylaw 119.

[0:49:04] Voice 10: It has been suggested that due

[0:49:05] Voice 10: to the administrative cost of an applicant approximately $1,100 and that that can be

[0:49:10] Voice 10: issued for a period of one to three years, that consideration might be given to an annual payment

[0:49:17] Voice 10: instead of having the entire payment up front. While that seems a reasonable approach on the

[0:49:22] Voice 10: surface, the fact remains that regardless of the length of the term, the cost of processing

[0:49:28] Voice 10: the permit is the same. With respect to the proposed wording in the bylaw, I'd like to

[0:49:35] Voice 10: put your attention to D. I still have concerns about the 200 meter radius as it would not be

[0:49:42] Voice 10: effective throughout the entire island due to the different configuration of the lots.

[0:49:46] Voice 10: It also raises the problem of renewal. If a new application comes forward where an existing TUP

[0:49:52] Voice 10: is about to expire, does the new application take precedence or does the renewal? I would support

[0:49:59] Voice 10: supports a mechanism in keeping a distance between SDVR

[0:50:02] Voice 10: so they don't become dominant in an area,

[0:50:04] Voice 10: but I'm not sure how to do it or whether this is it.

[0:50:08] Voice 10: Perhaps having a number, X number of SDVRs per kilometer

[0:50:13] Voice 10: or establishing a percentage of SDVRs to existing residents

[0:50:17] Voice 10: might be considered instead.

[0:50:18] Voice 10: And so I'd like staff to give that one some thought.

[0:50:22] Voice 10: As far as E and F are concerned,

[0:50:24] Voice 10: these requirements have already been determined

[0:50:26] Voice 10: to obtain an occupancy permit.

[0:50:28] Voice 10: And while data from other regions indicate that tourists use more water than residents, I'd prefer to leave the owner to take the precautionary measures.

[0:50:37] Voice 10: However, Section 4.4.2 of the policy statement reads,

[0:50:42] Voice 10: Local trust committees and island municipalities shall, in their official community plans and regulatory bylaws, address measures that ensure

[0:50:50] Voice 10: sure neither the density or intensity of land use is increased in areas which are known to have a

[0:50:57] Voice 10: problem with the quantity or quality of the supply of fresh water. Water quality is maintained and

[0:51:04] Voice 10: existing anticipated and seasonal demands for water are considered and allowed for. So if an

[0:51:11] Voice 10: SDVR is to be considered an intensified use in an area shown to have limited groundwater it makes

[0:51:17] Voice 10: sense to have well testing completed in July or August to protect the adjacent property owners.

[0:51:23] Voice 10: I'd like, in G, I'd like that there be some provision for four vehicles to be demonstrated,

[0:51:31] Voice 10: not necessarily developed because while an STVR may not require four spaces, those operating B&Bs

[0:51:37] Voice 10: or renting cottages where the owners are present may require more than two spaces. Given our narrow

[0:51:43] Voice 10: at times extremely dark roads blind hills and corners and the erratic behavior of deer

[0:51:48] Voice 10: I think on street parking should be avoided. H information regarding sensitive ecosystems

[0:51:56] Voice 10: should be made available through the trust conservative for operators to provide I think

[0:52:01] Voice 10: that's an important educational factor and in most cases I think the current operators are doing

[0:52:07] Voice 10: exactly that. J it's been brought to my attention that given the number of property management

[0:52:13] Voice 10: businesses on North Pender by limiting contacts to South Pender is problematic.

[0:52:19] Voice 10: I'd like to remove my objection. M1, limit the two bedrooms. Number three, this is

[0:52:27] Voice 10: not a requirement but an option for consideration under specific situations

[0:52:31] Voice 10: and I note that number nine may cover the same concern. It may be advantageous

[0:52:37] Voice 10: to extend the minimum stay for the high season to seven days to reduce

[0:52:42] Voice 10: congestion and travel impacts.

[0:52:45] Voice 10: Number four, I suggest to remove,

[0:52:47] Voice 10: it's not a condition for full-time residents or owners,

[0:52:50] Voice 10: so it shouldn't be for STDRs.

[0:52:52] Voice 10: Number five, remove because of privacy

[0:52:55] Voice 10: and security concerns of hosting.

[0:52:57] Voice 10: Number O, this is meant to be a disincentive

[0:53:01] Voice 10: to those using properties for investment purposes only,

[0:53:05] Voice 10: but might impact those persons

[0:53:08] Voice 10: buying a future retirement home

[0:53:09] Voice 10: when we're currently working elsewhere

[0:53:11] Voice 10: or being transferred elsewhere.

[0:53:12] Voice 10: I support it in the first principle,

[0:53:15] Voice 10: but aware of the difficult position

[0:53:17] Voice 10: that may put some owners in.

[0:53:19] Voice 10: So if we can't find a more pragmatic means

[0:53:22] Voice 10: of regulating this, I suggest we remove it

[0:53:24] Voice 10: as it appears discriminatory.

[0:53:27] Voice 10: What hasn't been mentioned is number one,

[0:53:29] Voice 10: the request for a fire inspection by Chief Dine.

[0:53:32] Voice 10: Number two, that a registry be established

[0:53:35] Voice 10: and that the relevant data be submitted annually

[0:53:38] Voice 10: to the trust and I believe that registry should include all STVRs currently operating and it

[0:53:45] Voice 10: should be also mentioned that any operating STVR that cannot prove that they were in business prior

[0:53:51] Voice 10: to the enactment of bylaw 117 must stop operating apply for a TUP or face enforcement proceedings

[0:53:58] Voice 10: and I'd also add to that the motion I'd support the motion that Kim is going to present from the

[0:54:07] Voice 10: on CRD so I'm sorry for taking so long but it's been a long issue.

[0:54:11] Trustee Patrick: Well I think you you've numbered

[0:54:12] Trustee Patrick: several things and I think if I look at Trustee Thorne as well it might be easier to address them

[0:54:18] Trustee Patrick: sort of one at a time and have a conversation on them I tried jotting down notes but I think

[0:54:22] Trustee Patrick: you were sort of specific changes that you were asking for I think began when you were talking

[0:54:28] Trustee Patrick: about the 200 meter radius so can we can we kind of talk about these each at a time and have

[0:54:36] Trustee Patrick: feedback and certainly

[0:54:38] Voice 4: all

[0:54:39] Trustee Patrick: right so um is that the 200 meter radius was that the first change

[0:54:43] Trustee Patrick: that you proposed yeah

[0:54:45] Voice 10: that's the first wording um i um i just don't think that it's um it's going

[0:54:52] Voice 10: to be effective because each uh as i said there's we have so many different roads and so many

[0:54:56] Voice 10: different configurations of subdivisions that some lots are 80 feet wide and some are 200 feet wide

[0:55:02] Voice 10: So I think a finite measurement is a little awkward.

[0:55:07] Voice 10: It certainly works in a congested area, such as Magic Lake subdivision, and it may work

[0:55:13] Voice 10: in specific neighborhoods, such as Boundary Pass or along Gallin Point, but it doesn't

[0:55:19] Voice 10: really apply elsewhere.

[0:55:20] Voice 10: So I'm just looking for a different way to achieve the same goal, I suppose.

[0:55:29] Trustee Patrick: Oh, go ahead.

[0:55:30] Trustee Patrick: So

[0:55:31] Voice 6: we had the same discussion, a very similar discussion yesterday at the North Bender meeting about the difficulty of having a specific number, explicit number, 200 meters in both cases.

[0:55:44] Voice 6: And once you draft that number and you put it in a bylaw, the difficulties and the problems become apparent.

[0:55:53] Voice 6: parent so um so the the you know c above local trust committee should consider the cumulative

[0:56:03] Voice 6: impacts of all applications um was the original wording in both north panders and galliano's

[0:56:09] Voice 6: guidelines and basically left it to the local trust committee on an application by application

[0:56:14] Voice 6: basis to consider those those cumulative impacts but we saw that the local trust committees were

[0:56:21] Voice 6: struggling with that and how to assess that and how to how to you know um come to a conclusion

[0:56:27] Voice 6: that there have been too many cumulative impacts and so the the 200 meter radius for both north

[0:56:33] Voice 6: pandera and in this bylaw was kind of the outcome of that that discussion but um so one option for

[0:56:38] Voice 6: the local trust committee is just to delete d if it's you think it's not not appropriate and just

[0:56:43] Voice 6: rely on c the cumulative impacts on a case-by-case basis i

[0:56:47] Trustee Patrick: can tell you that we this was a big

[0:56:49] Trustee Patrick: conversation yesterday not just a little conversation um we these are guidelines i

[0:56:56] Trustee Patrick: think this is very important to remember these are guidelines these are not carved in stone

[0:57:01] Trustee Patrick: saying thou shalt not uh and you did raise some some pertinent issues uh um about you know when

[0:57:09] Trustee Patrick: we have renewals and so forth and those are the challenges that they are uh you know in the long

[0:57:14] Trustee Patrick: term we decided to leave it in there because at least you know cumulative impacts is um you know

[0:57:20] Trustee Patrick: it's up to us at the moment to assess and have that conversation uh this just gave you know an

[0:57:26] Trustee Patrick: additional criteria just to have us think about the proximity or closeness of them as one of the

[0:57:31] Trustee Patrick: one of the items that we should be thinking about in cumulative effects but it doesn't limit you to

[0:57:37] Trustee Patrick: say that that is the you know the only cumulative effect that you would consider yeah

[0:57:43] Voice 10: and and is

[0:57:43] Voice 10: Is that 200 meters measured from the property line or from the establishment?

[0:57:52] Voice 6: It would be from the property line.

[0:57:53] Voice 6: Okay.

[0:57:54] Voice 6: As a starting point, that would

[0:57:56] Voice 6: be the, and then the LTC could, you know, it is a guideline like the chair said.

[0:58:01] Voice 6: So, you know, if there was an unusual situation where there was a large property, for example, and the house was on one end of the property, but, and the 200 meter radius was from the property line, you know, as a guideline, the LTC could say, well, in this, you know, certainly.

[0:58:16] Voice 6: this case, we'll look at the actual dwelling.

[0:58:20] Voice 10: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, since we may be in the

[0:58:26] Voice 10: position of having to determine that, how does Cameron think about making that decision under

[0:58:31] Voice 10: this guideline?

[0:58:33] Voice 7: Thanks, Steve. Well, yeah, I just, as I said a little earlier, I reflected on some

[0:58:38] Voice 7: of the things that both Peter and Jane had raised in their past correspondence. So I think Steve

[0:58:45] Voice 7: sort of beat me to a lot of the points that i was going to make um i i i also have concerns with

[0:58:51] Voice 7: um you know the language is pretty strong under clause d that it should not approve

[0:58:57] Voice 7: and it references this 200 meter radius and i think i think you know i think we're all saying

[0:59:01] Voice 7: the same thing um again these things are going to be looked at on a case-by-case basis um you

[0:59:06] Voice 7: know there could be on the other hand situations where in a given area um there might be a a group

[0:59:14] Voice 7: of property owners that amongst themselves all think that um stvrs are a great idea and that um

[0:59:22] Voice 7: um that um you know they um if they're all interested in it and they all understand

[0:59:29] Voice 7: the possible impacts of of an stvr on on as an adjacent property owner um then you know there

[0:59:36] Voice 7: might be a situation where you say well yeah three or four properties side by side uh would be uh

[0:59:42] Voice 7: would be an appropriate clustering of STVRs, you know,

[0:59:46] Voice 7: subject to the wishes of those property owners and anybody else around them.

[0:59:51] Voice 7: So I don't want to be too sort of too prescriptive.

[0:59:55] Voice 7: So I would like to remove this.

[0:59:57] Voice 7: I've got a suggestion that maybe under.

[1:00:00] Voice 7: I mean, I think the cumulative impacts clause on item C is a good one.

[1:00:03] Voice 7: I was also thinking that under section M where considerations may be given to other things,

[1:00:11] Voice 7: one of those considerations could be give consideration to the clustering or concentration

[1:00:17] Voice 7: of STVRs in any one area.

[1:00:20] Voice 7: So it's kind of similar to what clause C is, but it's a little bit different to deal with

[1:00:25] Voice 7: the 200 meters.

[1:00:26] Voice 7: So I would like to remove that one as well.

[1:00:31] Voice 7: if if I could carry on it and unless we need to stop do you want to do you want to say anything

[1:00:35] Voice 7: to this

[1:00:35] Trustee Patrick: I was going to say it'd be better to handle each amendment as a separate motion rather

[1:00:40] Trustee Patrick: than try to have a whole bundle of them so that would be my suggestion is if if if that is what

[1:00:46] Trustee Patrick: you'd like to do someone should propose a motion and we can debate and then carry on to the next

[1:00:50] Trustee Patrick: item well

[1:00:51] Voice 10: I'd support the removal as long as we have a maximum number that we're going to allow

[1:00:56] Voice 10: And how we determine that maximum, I'm not exactly sure,

[1:01:01] Voice 10: but either a percentage of the existing homes might work

[1:01:04] Voice 10: or whatever, and that's going to have to take some research

[1:01:09] Voice 10: by staff to see how many homes we do have.

[1:01:12] Voice 10: Because if the purpose is to try and avoid over-tourism,

[1:01:19] Voice 10: so to speak, then simply saying, yes, you can have one here

[1:01:23] Voice 10: and you can have one there doesn't really respond.

[1:01:25] Voice 10: total to that uh to that policy of uh limiting x number of overflow as uh can i ask uh robert or

[1:01:40] Voice 10: kim if they have uh run into a situation where a percentage of existing homes or a percentage of

[1:01:46] Voice 10: properties has been used in a bylaw on

[1:01:50] Voice 6: the trust area no uh it was just yesterday where north

[1:01:53] Voice 6: North Bender started talking about a numerical cap, but yeah, it's,

[1:01:58] Voice 6: I mean, it's feasible to have a guideline, at least say, you know,

[1:02:03] Voice 6: 10, 20% of dwellings.

[1:02:07] Voice 6: There's always going to be some uncertainty about the total number of

[1:02:10] Voice 6: dwellings because we rely on the BC assessment data.

[1:02:13] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:02:14] Voice 6: It's a guideline. It gives you a sort of a general number.

[1:02:22] Voice 7: Yeah. You know, you know,

[1:02:24] Voice 7: on the same thing I'm just reflecting back to when we did the the mail the mail-in survey back in I

[1:02:30] Voice 7: guess it was May of May of last year and you know we one of the questions touched on the question

[1:02:36] Voice 7: was about STBRs should be permitted to operate and there was a number of choices with no limit

[1:02:42] Voice 7: up to a maximum in each on the island in a maximum in each neighborhood or in a way that

[1:02:46] Voice 7: prevents clustering and or surround you know property owners being surrounded by STBRs and

[1:02:52] Voice 7: And, um, you know, there, there was a range of, of, of, um, comments on that, but, um,

[1:02:57] Voice 7: you know, it, it, it looks like, you know, I think the strongest numbers were that people

[1:03:05] Voice 7: didn't want to be surrounded by STBRs and that there should be a maximum in each neighborhood.

[1:03:12] Voice 7: Um, so it's kind of difficult.

[1:03:14] Voice 7: I, uh, kind of wrestling with how we best approach this.

[1:03:16] Voice 7: Cause I don't like the 200 meter, um, radius, but I think we should set some kind of

[1:03:23] Voice 7: of overall um cap um as a percentage of the total number of single family you know single family

[1:03:32] Voice 7: dwellings on the um on the on the island so um i don't know what that number is robert either i

[1:03:40] Voice 7: mean obviously we uh

[1:03:42] Voice 6: just for kind of information or background so back in september of last year

[1:03:47] Voice 6: violent enforcement did a scan of advertised vacation rentals and bnbs as well and the number

[1:03:52] Voice 6: was 21

[1:03:56] Voice 10: in South Bender.

[1:03:57] Voice 10: I think there's probably closer to 31.

[1:03:59] Voice 10: I know a number that do not advertise

[1:04:01] Voice 10: and it's just passed on by

[1:04:03] Voice 10: word of mouth.

[1:04:05] Voice 10: If we said that there was 400 homes

[1:04:07] Voice 10: on South Bender Island

[1:04:09] Voice 10: and we said 5%,

[1:04:12] Voice 10: we'd be looking at 80 places,

[1:04:13] Voice 10: which is

[1:04:15] Voice 10: more than double the...

[1:04:18] Voice 10: Again, it's doubling

[1:04:19] Voice 10: the current

[1:04:21] Voice 10: permanent number of people that live

[1:04:24] Voice 10: if you're full-time.

[1:04:25] Voice 10: So I would be more inclined to strike it much lower,

[1:04:32] Voice 10: like a 1% and then expand as things change

[1:04:38] Voice 10: and as the community gets a feel for it.

[1:04:41] Voice 10: And when it's full, we can take a look

[1:04:46] Voice 10: and see what the impacts are.

[1:04:47] Voice 10: And if a community decides to increase that number,

[1:04:50] Voice 10: then we can increase it then.

[1:04:53] Voice 10: Or we can simply pass a motion that says no further TUPs

[1:04:56] Voice 10: will be considered until except as a turnover a replacement of existing i'm not sure but i'm i i'm

[1:05:06] Voice 10: i feel a cap is really important here and

[1:05:11] Trustee Patrick: can i ask staff what what mechanisms so a cap could be

[1:05:17] Trustee Patrick: put into uh this this guideline as a as a number uh it could could a standing resolution what other

[1:05:24] Trustee Patrick: other forms could we use to manage caps yeah

[1:05:28] Voice 6: so the most the most straightforward is in the

[1:05:30] Voice 6: guidelines it's all in the same spot in the ocp um it's it's there it's clear and the most

[1:05:37] Voice 6: objective is a number of permits that issue like 20 permits no more at any one time and we track

[1:05:44] Voice 6: the permits like uh speaking to trustee rights um discussion about our registry um essentially if

[1:05:49] Voice 6: If you look in the North Pender and Galliano websites,

[1:05:52] Voice 6: the number of the issued permits are posted there

[1:05:54] Voice 6: and there's a map as well.

[1:05:56] Voice 6: So that's essentially fulfills the same function

[1:05:59] Voice 6: as a registry.

[1:06:02] Voice 6: And yeah, that's the clearest way.

[1:06:06] Voice 6: Second would be as a percentage of all dwellings.

[1:06:09] Voice 6: And so every time, if it was close,

[1:06:13] Voice 6: if it was anywhere close to the maximum percentage,

[1:06:15] Voice 6: to that percentage,

[1:06:17] Voice 6: we'd have to do some sort of analysis

[1:06:20] Voice 6: each with each application you know and if it was 10 percent of the number of dwellings on the

[1:06:28] Voice 6: island it's like you'd have to and someone wanted to apply to say well you have to wait for another

[1:06:34] Voice 6: you know 10 houses to be built and occupied and then you can apply or for someone to drop out

[1:06:39] Voice 6: right yeah

[1:06:41] Voice 7: good good points robert i i think you're right i think a number is a an actual

[1:06:46] Voice 7: numbers is much easier for people to get their head around um just on the question of the number

[1:06:52] Voice 7: of homes right now and you know uh i guess the number of homes doesn't necessarily equate to

[1:06:57] Voice 7: the number of properties but i thought that we had something like 270 residential properties

[1:07:03] Voice 7: on south pender might that

[1:07:05] Voice 6: that might

[1:07:06] Voice 7: be that might be that

[1:07:07] Voice 6: sounds about right yeah that's

[1:07:09] Voice 10: houses yeah not properties yeah

[1:07:12] Voice 6: houses like uh so properties that have an improved dwelling

[1:07:15] Voice 6: dwelling improvement on them. Of course,

[1:07:17] Voice 6: not all of those are occupied year round.

[1:07:20] Voice 6: I

[1:07:20] Voice 7: mean, I think what we should do, and again, we're getting, you know, my, my, my interest at

[1:07:24] Voice 7: the end of the day is, is having a, obviously a community information meeting followed by a public

[1:07:28] Voice 7: hearing. So I think to, to kind of keep moving this thing forward, I would suggest, so we've

[1:07:34] Voice 7: got, we've got some people right now, you know, some properties where there is, you know, there's

[1:07:39] Voice 7: an stvr um operation that's already had some historical use it's it's it's not um it would

[1:07:46] Voice 7: not be part of so if we said if we said a maximum of 20 tups for example um that wouldn't include

[1:07:54] Voice 7: uh those folks that have historically operated an stvr would it that would be a separate

[1:08:01] Voice 7: yeah

[1:08:02] Voice 6: that's right as long as they maintain their operation um every year and didn't um

[1:08:08] Voice 6: change it like didn't expand it right they would

[1:08:11] Voice 6: maintain their non-conforming protection

[1:08:13] Voice 6: you know you can expect though that some people aren't going to like that status or want to be

[1:08:19] Voice 6: have that status and some who you know may be already operating as a non-conforming they're

[1:08:24] Voice 6: non-conforming will want to apply for a tup because of that certainty that it gives them

[1:08:30] Voice 7: um well i think um i i would i would i would suggest a number of of 20 and we can we can

[1:08:37] Voice 7: can hear from the public at the community information meeting on it or I guess here

[1:08:41] Voice 7: today as well but you know as a starting point that would seem to be a number that would that

[1:08:50] Voice 7: would seem like it provides opportunities and yet it doesn't doesn't sort of go to the issues of

[1:08:56] Voice 7: of an of an inordinately large number of TUPs that could be issued and so we would do that

[1:09:01] Voice 7: in conjunction with the removal of the 200 meter radius. So I would know

[1:09:05] Voice 6: you just you'd have a

[1:09:06] Voice 6: resolution amending uh item d to say that the local trust committee um will not approve should

[1:09:13] Voice 6: not approve more than 20 temporary use permits correct simple straightforward correct

[1:09:18] Voice 10: um yeah i

[1:09:25] Voice 10: can go with that um now if we change that number um prior to the public hearing would that require

[1:09:33] Voice 10: having to go back

[1:09:36] Voice 10: because we're changing density

[1:09:38] Voice 10: or is that just considered

[1:09:40] Voice 10: a policy? It's a

[1:09:41] Voice 6: guideline so

[1:09:42] Voice 6: I think you can make changes after

[1:09:44] Voice 6: the public hearing

[1:09:45] Voice 6: to these guidelines

[1:09:47] Voice 6: that's my advice

[1:09:51] Voice 10: Okay do you want the motion now then?

[1:09:53] Voice 10: That'd be great

[1:09:53] Voice 10: Go ahead

[1:09:57] Trustee Patrick: Shannon's already

[1:09:57] Trustee Patrick: on top of you here

[1:09:58] Trustee Patrick: but let's see how Steve does

[1:10:01] Voice 10: Okay

[1:10:01] Voice 10: Did you want

[1:10:02] Voice 14: to reword it or use the wording that Robert gave?

[1:10:06] Voice 10: I like the wording that Robert used because he's better at it than I am.

[1:10:09] Voice 10: There

[1:10:09] Trustee Patrick: you go. Go ahead, Shannon.

[1:10:10] Voice 14: I just have a question on if you wanted the word should not approve or shall not approve.

[1:10:16] Voice 6: Well, they're all guidelines, and so they should all say should.

[1:10:20] Voice 14: Should? Okay.

[1:10:21] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:10:21] Voice 14: That the South Pender Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to amend item D

[1:10:26] Voice 14: to state that the Local Trust Committee should not approve more than 20 temporary use permits.

[1:10:32] Voice 10: For STPRs.

[1:10:34] Voice 10: Yeah.

[1:10:38] Trustee Patrick: Who's making that motion?

[1:10:40] Voice 10: I'll move it.

[1:10:41] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second?

[1:10:44] Trustee Patrick: Great.

[1:10:44] Trustee Patrick: Is there any discussion?

[1:10:46] Trustee Patrick: I know I have one item.

[1:10:48] Trustee Patrick: I liked, Cameron, I liked your first, your suggestion.

[1:10:52] Trustee Patrick: I mean, to me, what the 200-meter rule was getting about is the clustering, trying to avoid clusters where a neighborhood is getting dominated.

[1:11:01] Trustee Patrick: and I like your alternative that we could deal with

[1:11:06] Trustee Patrick: probably separately is to either in those following

[1:11:11] Trustee Patrick: wherever it was there, other things we could consider

[1:11:13] Trustee Patrick: item of saying to avoid the clustering

[1:11:16] Trustee Patrick: or something of that nature.

[1:11:17] Trustee Patrick: So we could talk about that separately,

[1:11:18] Trustee Patrick: but I thought that was a good

[1:11:20] Voice 2: alternative

[1:11:21] Trustee Patrick: to the 200 meter.

[1:11:22] Voice 2: Thank you.

[1:11:24] Trustee Patrick: So any other discussion on this motion?

[1:11:28] Voice 2: No.

[1:11:28] Trustee Patrick: Then I'll call the vote.

[1:11:30] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[1:11:35] Trustee Patrick: carried now did you want to deal with that alternative now while we're on that topic or

[1:11:41] Voice 7: whatever you think is best because i don't want to take you out of sequence because obviously

[1:11:45] Voice 7: we're going to speak on e and f as well but

[1:11:47] Trustee Patrick: yeah no i so we can either park it and come back to it

[1:11:51] Trustee Patrick: when we get to m why don't we do that then we'll hold we'll note that for m okay so carry on next

[1:11:58] Voice 7: item so next item just to kind of keep things going here i think we're all on the same page

[1:12:02] Voice 7: on this one i would i would make a motion that we remove uh item f which currently states that

[1:12:07] Voice 7: the applicant shall demonstrate an adequate supply of water and septic capacity for the duration of

[1:12:12] Voice 7: the proposed use i mean my my view is if they've got an occupancy permit in the dwelling um they

[1:12:17] Voice 7: would have gone through necessary steps to to to demonstrate that they've got water in a septic

[1:12:22] Voice 7: system and i guess there's a fair bit of ambiguity in this about what what how do you demonstrate

[1:12:28] Voice 7: like there's no real uh meat on the bones about what is an adequate supply or how you would

[1:12:34] Voice 7: demonstrate that so i think it's it's it's it's it's unfair to people to try and understand how

[1:12:40] Voice 7: to interpret that one so i would remove it that

[1:12:42] Voice 6: is that is e and f and

[1:12:44] Voice 7: uh yes correct i i would

[1:12:46] Voice 7: make a motion remove e and f um

[1:12:49] Voice 10: i would i would agree with that but i think that since we're going

[1:12:53] Voice 10: to the trouble of having william shelba create a groundwater study that if and and because of

[1:12:58] Voice 10: the 442 of the policy statement that if there is an area

[1:13:03] Voice 10: that is known to be have limited quantity

[1:13:06] Voice 10: or quality fresh water, then I think that a pump test

[1:13:12] Voice 10: to prove the intensification of that use is reasonable

[1:13:16] Voice 10: and that it takes place during the high season

[1:13:20] Voice 10: of July and August.

[1:13:26] Voice 10: And that would be specific only to those areas

[1:13:29] Voice 10: is that Mr. Shulbaugh has certified in his report.

[1:13:35] Trustee Patrick: Are there any water systems on South Pender?

[1:13:38] Trustee Patrick: There are none?

[1:13:40] Voice 10: Other than Poets Cove, no.

[1:13:50] Trustee Patrick: I understand what you're trying to get to,

[1:13:53] Trustee Patrick: but we don't have the mechanisms

[1:13:59] Trustee Patrick: through the work that's coming.

[1:14:00] Trustee Patrick: We're kind of jumping.

[1:14:02] Trustee Patrick: We don't have that mechanism yet.

[1:14:03] Trustee Patrick: So when we would have a mechanism

[1:14:05] Trustee Patrick: through some form of mapping or what comes from uh the water work that's happening we could always

[1:14:12] Trustee Patrick: amend the guidelines to be specific then could we

[1:14:15] Voice 7: could we amend it at you know once we hear from

[1:14:18] Voice 7: william and get some more clarity on this i mean could this even come back at the community

[1:14:21] Voice 7: information meeting and in in theory if we had some you know steve's expressed an issue which i

[1:14:27] Voice 7: which i understand that the the the virtues behind the question um would it be something then that

[1:14:35] Voice 7: that by the time that we have the community information meeting

[1:14:37] Voice 7: in a public hearing, there could be a, you know,

[1:14:40] Voice 7: if it made sense to staff that they could figure out

[1:14:42] Voice 7: how to sort of respond to this,

[1:14:44] Voice 7: we could have a clause in that draft bylaw

[1:14:46] Voice 7: that would come forward at that time in March?

[1:14:48] Voice 6: We could come forward at the public hearing

[1:14:50] Voice 6: with the draft wording.

[1:14:52] Voice 6: And then after the close of the hearing, if you want,

[1:14:54] Voice 6: you can amend the bylaw to include it.

[1:14:57] Voice 7: Is that a friendly amendment, Steve?

[1:14:59] Voice 6: Yep.

[1:15:03] Voice 10: So I'll second your motion.

[1:15:05] Voice 10: Okay.

[1:15:06] Voice 10: So

[1:15:06] Voice 14: can you, could I just get clarification on the wording you wanted for that motion?

[1:15:10] Voice 14: Yes.

[1:15:12] Voice 14: Cameron, so can you

[1:15:13] Voice 7: help Shannon there?

[1:15:14] Voice 7: Yeah, I, so this applies to, I would make a motion that, that we amend this, this draft

[1:15:21] Voice 7: bylaw by removing clauses E and F from, from the bylaw.

[1:15:32] Voice 14: And I just missed what the friendly amendment was, though.

[1:15:35] Voice 14: That was the original.

[1:15:35] Voice 7: Well, I don't know if that's an amendment.

[1:15:37] Voice 7: I guess that's a good question because I think it's a direction to staff rather than

[1:15:40] Voice 7: an amendment to the bylaw that staff will come back with some wording um prior to or at the time

[1:15:46] Voice 7: of our CIM that would that would respond to some of Steve's questions I don't know if it's an

[1:15:50] Voice 7: amendment yeah

[1:15:51] Voice 6: maybe Shannon you could just note it in the minutes after the after the resolution

[1:15:56] Voice 6: that that staff will come back with some potential wording to address uh areas with known known

[1:16:03] Voice 6: issues with groundwater all

[1:16:14] Trustee Patrick: right is there a second to that motion seconded by um trustee

[1:16:18] Trustee Patrick: right is there any further discussion on that motion i'll call the vote all those in favor

[1:16:29] Trustee Patrick: and that is carried well

[1:16:31] Voice 10: mr uh madam chair if i may um we have planners chadwick and william

[1:16:37] Voice 10: sholbaugh here um and i was wondering whether we could um halt this conversation and discussion and

[1:16:44] Voice 10: uh and hear what

[1:16:45] Voice 10: they have to say we

[1:16:46] Trustee Patrick: can table this discussion until uh following uh so i need

[1:16:50] Trustee Patrick: need a motion to table this discussion to allow us to proceed with item 13.3 I

[1:16:58] Voice 10: would so move

[1:16:58] Voice 10: is

[1:17:01] Trustee Patrick: there a second I'm

[1:17:04] Voice 7: sure means

[1:17:06] Trustee Patrick: in the middle of the conversation we're going to turn to something

[1:17:07] Trustee Patrick: else can we

[1:17:08] Trustee Patrick: keep our train of thought going trustees yep all right with that I'll call the

[1:17:13] Trustee Patrick: vote all those in favor so carries that we're going to pause on short-term vacation rentals

[1:17:19] Trustee Patrick: and we're going to jump to item 13.3 in the agenda which is the groundwater project and we have a

[1:17:25] Trustee Patrick: presentation from William Shulva

[1:17:28] Trustee Patrick: and Marissa Chadwick. So welcome. Hello. Hello William.

[1:17:35] Trustee Patrick: The floor is

[1:17:37] Voice 8: yours. Hi South Pendard Local Trust Committee. Thank you for having me on.

[1:17:43] Voice 8: I'm gonna try to make this as brief as possible with presenting you with the most amount of

[1:17:50] Voice 8: of information as possible so um yeah and i um this is just a powerpoint presentation i believe

[1:17:59] Voice 8: that um robert did we include uh um the the report in the agenda package i don't think so

[1:18:07] Voice 8: um no

[1:18:10] Voice 6: it's not not included in hard copy now right right

[1:18:13] Voice 8: okay cool so

[1:18:13] Voice 6: maybe you can just

[1:18:14] Voice 6: circulate it by email after yeah

[1:18:16] Voice 8: yeah that's fine um i'm pretty much going to go through

[1:18:19] Voice 8: everything here and I have a presentation that I want to share my screen on so I'll do that in a

[1:18:26] Voice 8: moment. I'm also going to be presenting the LTC with there's no recommendations here but there is

[1:18:33] Voice 8: a kind of a need for discussion on signaling to staff if you want to continue on with the project

[1:18:40] Voice 8: and I'll introduce that so I'm just going to share my screen now Maple and

[1:18:47] Voice 8: And do

[1:18:48] Voice 1: you

[1:18:52] Voice 8: now see my screen?

[1:18:54] Voice 1: Yeah, it looks good.

[1:18:56] Voice 8: Okay, great.

[1:18:57] Voice 1: Oh, sorry, William.

[1:18:59] Voice 1: Just one quick thing.

[1:18:59] Voice 1: It says draft in the middle.

[1:19:00] Voice 1: Is that correct?

[1:19:01] Voice 8: Yeah, that's correct.

[1:19:02] Voice 1: So yeah,

[1:19:03] Voice 8: and thanks for that segue.

[1:19:05] Voice 8: So these are all draft figures here.

[1:19:09] Voice 8: And I guess I, for other LTCs, I just chose a snippet of Galliano Island, but for the South

[1:19:22] Voice 8: Pender here, you guys get a treat. We're going to be talking about your island specifically. I

[1:19:26] Voice 8: clipped out the data, but yeah, no screenshots and this is all draft. And so let that be known.

[1:19:34] Voice 8: Okay, so thanks again. So as we know, all our water comes from rain. There's no magical imports

[1:19:44] Voice 8: of groundwater from Mount Baker or anything like that, unless it comes over on the ferry.

[1:19:51] Voice 8: So, and you know, there is a good argument to be had to see if there's

[1:19:57] Voice 8: crosstalk between the aquifers on North Pender and South Pender, but I think we're slowly realizing

[1:20:03] Voice 8: that even a small amount of arbor in between the two islands creates enough saline groundwater

[1:20:10] Voice 8: recharge from the ocean that it blocks fresh water from moving from one island to the other,

[1:20:17] Voice 8: even if they're that close. But that's more of an academic thought. So the, oh, what's going on?

[1:20:24] Voice 8: There we go. So the nature of my discussion here is to reintroduce to you or just present findings

[1:20:31] Voice 8: on the groundwater sustainability strategy

[1:20:33] Voice 8: for the Southern Gulf Islands.

[1:20:35] Voice 8: And we have broken this up into four phases.

[1:20:38] Voice 8: Phase naught is the data and information inventory

[1:20:41] Voice 8: that was mostly done by Islands Trust staff,

[1:20:44] Voice 8: myself and mapping and a co-op student

[1:20:47] Voice 8: as well as planning staff.

[1:20:49] Voice 8: And then I'll discuss phase one,

[1:20:52] Voice 8: the recharge mapping project,

[1:20:55] Voice 8: which is now occurring on Denman, Hornby and Gabriola.

[1:21:01] Voice 8: And where the Southern Gulf Islands took a further step was to do groundwater availability assessments, or water budgets as they're commonly known as, for groundwater regions across the Southern Gulf Islands.

[1:21:14] Voice 8: And then what I'll be presenting to you in the third step here, the third phase, is to take this information and implement it into our land use planning processes.

[1:21:27] Voice 8: processes. And we'll be asking for a signal from the LTC if they wish to continue forward

[1:21:33] Voice 8: that with a few next steps at the end of this presentation.

[1:21:38] Voice 8: So just a few things on the information inventory. You can see that there's a lot there. We collected

[1:21:44] Voice 8: geospatial information, geological information, terrestrial ecosystem data, marine ecosystem

[1:21:48] Voice 8: data, water use data. And the reason why I brought in marine ecosystems is that there

[1:21:56] Voice 8: There is a direct link between terrestrial watersheds and water to the foreshore, supporting eelgrass.

[1:22:04] Voice 8: The more I look at eelgrass, the more it lines up with terrestrial discharge of water.

[1:22:09] Voice 8: They really like stream mouths, and I'm looking forward to continue on that work.

[1:22:14] Voice 8: And eventually, you know, that's habitat for the orca.

[1:22:18] Voice 8: So groundwater does relate to orca, so we're all interconnected.

[1:22:23] Voice 8: interconnected. So phase one went through a whole bunch of assessments that were embedded into this

[1:22:28] Voice 8: phase. So I'll just discuss a few of them as we go through it, including three-dimensional

[1:22:34] Voice 8: hydrogeological modeling of the island. So we have a 3D model of South Pender now, which I'll present

[1:22:40] Voice 8: right at the very end. I'm just going to blast through that because I don't think it's too

[1:22:43] Voice 8: relevant to what I'm asking for you. So the biggest thing that we needed to do was to delineate

[1:22:50] Voice 8: the islands into this intermediate scale that that is aligned with close to the more closely

[1:22:57] Voice 8: with zoning so instead of looking at the whole island which is the regional scale or looking at

[1:23:04] Voice 8: a postage stamp lot with one well which is the local scale we try to define this intermediate

[1:23:11] Voice 8: scale so we looked at previously defined regions and Dr. Jim Henderson defined groundwater regions

[1:23:19] Voice 8: for South Pender and North Pender.

[1:23:22] Voice 8: And then we updated those looking at watershed mapping,

[1:23:26] Voice 8: water well concentration zones and the mapped aquifers

[1:23:31] Voice 8: and also related to geology.

[1:23:35] Voice 8: So South Pender is separated

[1:23:37] Voice 8: into four different groundwater regions.

[1:23:40] Voice 8: It could be as we go into the future into water balance

[1:23:44] Voice 8: that these can be split

[1:23:45] Voice 8: it um and like uh each say for south pender one which i'm going to be presenting to you later on

[1:23:52] Voice 8: can be split into uh say a east and west but the reason why it's mapped like this is that

[1:23:59] Voice 8: south pender one shares the recharge that falls on on that on on that side of the island

[1:24:04] Voice 8: um and it's a it's an easier way to determine um groundwater um budgets okay so uh groundwater

[1:24:15] Voice 8: water recharge potential uh has this methodology flow i won't get too deep into it but essentially

[1:24:20] Voice 8: what we're balancing is the inherent ability for the landscape to recharge water and so that

[1:24:28] Voice 8: determined that's determined upon slope it's determined upon the terrestrial ecosystems

[1:24:33] Voice 8: and also the geology the liniments and the faults and how the water flows from top to bottom and and

[1:24:41] Voice 8: and how it interacts with the landscape.

[1:24:44] Voice 8: So this is just a view of the data of South Pender

[1:24:49] Voice 8: and you can see that

[1:24:51] Voice 8: if we're just going around the horn there,

[1:24:53] Voice 8: the liniments at the top,

[1:24:55] Voice 8: which is just geological fractures,

[1:24:58] Voice 8: the threshold ecosystem mapping in the top right,

[1:25:01] Voice 8: the slope infiltration factor.

[1:25:03] Voice 8: So this is showing where there's steep slopes,

[1:25:05] Voice 8: it's harder for water to infiltrate,

[1:25:07] Voice 8: where it's flatter, it's easier for water to infiltrate

[1:25:10] Voice 8: And the topographic wetness index is more like a receiving water delineation from watersheds on how water moves from high to low, from high elevations to low elevations and where it pools.

[1:25:29] Voice 8: And we're actually now doing another derivative mapping project on that to look at where potential wetlands are, which is quite exciting.

[1:25:39] Voice 8: I'll just keep moving on.

[1:25:40] Voice 8: So when we put this through the methodology, we end up with the figure on the bottom left there,

[1:25:48] Voice 8: which is the recharge potential of that, of each pixel, and our resolution is a 20 by 20 meter

[1:25:55] Voice 8: grid. So that's down to the local parcel level. You can determine how much recharge is potential

[1:26:02] Voice 8: on on any given parcel um and then the the the map on the top right there is is actually how

[1:26:10] Voice 8: much recharge gets um put into the ground after we flood it with water and i'll go through that

[1:26:16] Voice 8: in the next step that's phase two so phase two we're sorry does

[1:26:22] Voice 10: the mm refer to millimeters

[1:26:23] Voice 10: oh

[1:26:24] Voice 8: yes thank you for that yeah millimeters millimeters of water per year per year yeah

[1:26:29] Voice 8: Yeah, this is per year. So, so recharge often happens in the wintertime and the fall. So,

[1:26:36] Voice 8: so we're looking at recharge per year, but I'll talk about water balance and how much we use per

[1:26:41] Voice 8: month. So this is, this is how much you get when you're in the middle of the ocean collecting it

[1:26:46] Voice 8: into a geological bucket. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks for that question. Feel free to jump in again.

[1:26:52] Voice 8: Doesn't phase me. Speaking of phase, phase two. So phase two is now looking at, okay,

[1:26:58] Voice 8: how much water do we have, how much water is used by the ecosystems, how much water is used by the

[1:27:04] Voice 8: wells, and how much water just flows away to the ocean. And so to do that we looked at

[1:27:10] Voice 8: precipitation mapping, climatic projections, looked at what the ecosystems are doing, soil moisture,

[1:27:20] Voice 8: and later on we'll do zoning and build out assessment. But right now I'm just giving

[1:27:27] Voice 8: you business as usual as it's happening right now in 2021 and we get a gridded water balance so this

[1:27:36] Voice 8: is down again to the 20 by 20 meter grid and so I know this is a little complex again but I'll just

[1:27:43] Voice 8: draw your gaze down to the bottom there of this teeter-totter of groundwater availability compared

[1:27:49] Voice 8: to water usage and demand and groundwater recharge and that groundwater recharge component there

[1:27:56] Voice 8: where we're um not only removing the interception from from the ecosystem from tree canopy and stuff

[1:28:03] Voice 8: like that but also how much water is being used by that by this uh soil storage it's called and

[1:28:11] Voice 8: then how much is locked away in storage or how much is available um for for human use and uh

[1:28:18] Voice 8: we're getting really close on the recharge and um pretty confident on those data the hardest data to

[1:28:25] Voice 8: get to is water usage so we can do different scenarios we can do precautionary principles

[1:28:31] Voice 8: we can do deemed right so for domestics that's 2 000 liters per day we can do essential household

[1:28:38] Voice 8: need which is like down to drought how much water is available and that's 250 liters per day per

[1:28:43] Voice 8: household what we use in this study is a median of that and around 600 liters per day which was

[1:28:54] Voice 8: was determined to be the average water use

[1:28:56] Voice 8: from several different studies.

[1:28:58] Voice 8: And we're kind of needing to go through those scenarios

[1:29:03] Voice 8: and perhaps refine that number a little bit better

[1:29:06] Voice 8: through data monitoring and stuff like that.

[1:29:10] Voice 8: Okay, so a few things to get to how much water we have.

[1:29:13] Voice 8: We have precipitation distribution,

[1:29:16] Voice 8: and this is from Pacific Climate Impacts Consortium

[1:29:20] Voice 8: from UVic.

[1:29:21] Voice 8: they did downscaling of global uh global models and they're not bad and so you can see here that

[1:29:28] Voice 8: uh south pennery gets the least amount of rainfall in the southern gulf islands

[1:29:32] Voice 8: um and here's average temperature it's um a lot cooler on saturn than it is elsewhere which is

[1:29:39] Voice 8: interesting um i don't put too much faith in the temperature i think we could do better

[1:29:42] Voice 8: with uh with the stations that we have rather than downscaling global models well this is a

[1:29:48] Voice 8: a regional model this is a not just a global model it's the canadian climate global model

[1:29:53] Voice 8: for the pacific so it's not like we're downscaling like something that's built in france or something

[1:29:58] Voice 8: just putting that up

[1:30:00] Voice 8: And then this is the actual evapotranspiration, which is what the ecosystems use.

[1:30:06] Voice 8: And that's really important because they just grab that available water and kick it right back up to the sky.

[1:30:11] Voice 8: And so they use a lot.

[1:30:13] Voice 8: You can see in some areas on South Pender that some of that evapotranspiration is using up to 300.

[1:30:20] Voice 8: However, I will say that this is a natural case.

[1:30:23] Voice 8: if you put all that gorse down on that's on the landscape there i bet that's way higher

[1:30:29] Voice 8: um base of species use a lot of water so what's what's left what's left at the end of the day

[1:30:34] Voice 8: after all that ecosystem is is using the water is the surplus and then so that's the the remaining

[1:30:41] Voice 8: water that's allowed to go into the ground from precipitation but not all of it can go in there

[1:30:47] Voice 8: it's governed by that potential before which was a ratio and then what you're left with is the

[1:30:54] Voice 8: the amount of groundwater recharge uh in millimeters per year which i showed earlier

[1:30:58] Voice 8: and i think i brought it up again so those are two different um products that come from here

[1:31:04] Voice 8: um and and the one we are really concerned with was is what's left over at the end of the day

[1:31:09] Voice 8: so you can see that there is high recharge potential on on um inherent potential for uh

[1:31:16] Voice 8: for water to enter the ground on North Pender or South Pender, sorry.

[1:31:21] Voice 8: But when you actually put it through the ringer of how much ecosystems use

[1:31:24] Voice 8: and the state of the ecosystems at this time, that's how much recharge you get.

[1:31:28] Voice 8: But if there's conservation efforts and as the forests get mature

[1:31:33] Voice 8: after they've been logged and all that stuff,

[1:31:35] Voice 8: that recharge number can actually change

[1:31:37] Voice 8: even though the potential range can stay the same, which is interesting.

[1:31:41] Voice 8: But that's kind of a little bit more esoteric.

[1:31:43] Voice 8: okay so a few other things that we put into this data set is is the groundwater wells is their

[1:31:49] Voice 8: biggest source of data um and so g wells is pretty good it's the uh registry groundwater registry of

[1:31:58] Voice 8: the province and so we have water wells with uh fracture data which is great we're we're kind of

[1:32:04] Voice 8: inputting the fracture data into a 3d uh model to to try to identify where this resource is coming

[1:32:11] Voice 8: coming from and, and potentially have a mechanism where we can predict fractures or at least

[1:32:16] Voice 8: know where the, how they are lining up together in the geological geometry, um, looked at

[1:32:24] Voice 8: points of diversion, which is not many on, on South Bender.

[1:32:28] Voice 8: And then, um, a big, big thing is looking at water well depth ranges.

[1:32:32] Voice 8: So you can see there's a lot of deep wells along the coast, um,

[1:32:35] Voice 5: which,

[1:32:36] Voice 8: which there, there

[1:32:37] Voice 8: There's a lot of available water that's deep down

[1:32:41] Voice 8: below the sea level,

[1:32:42] Voice 8: but there is also a saltwater intrusion risk.

[1:32:46] Voice 8: So that's something to consider as we move forward.

[1:32:49] Voice 8: But I like this map and I apologize for the resolution.

[1:32:54] Voice 8: This is clipped from that regional one.

[1:32:57] Voice 8: The GIS package, once we finalize this,

[1:33:00] Voice 8: this will be a lot nicer.

[1:33:01] Voice 8: And you can see on the bottom left there,

[1:33:05] Voice 8: the water well range that uh that south pender is not that productive um unlike uh say salt

[1:33:13] Voice 8: spring island there's a lot of uh wells that are 25 gallons per minute or greater but the majority

[1:33:19] Voice 8: of the wells on the south pender aquifer are between the the one and and and five um gallon

[1:33:28] Voice 8: per minute range apologies for the uh imperial unit there but that's what most people know

[1:33:36] Voice 8: Okay. And then, so we can put this all together into a dashboard and that's what this is looking

[1:33:40] Voice 8: at. It's ACFER 710. Possibly in the future, the South Pender ACFER will get parsed into

[1:33:48] Voice 8: smaller units, but that's what we've got for now. So we're looking at how much groundwater

[1:33:52] Voice 8: is being used and how much surface water is being used. We have those data and separate it out into

[1:33:59] Voice 8: commercial use and domestic use. The irrigation one is an interesting one. It looks like it's

[1:34:04] Voice 8: really high and that's based on a whole bunch of metrics and we don't have a lot of hard data on

[1:34:11] Voice 8: that so that that number can can change um once we get more data on on um irrigation that's mostly

[1:34:19] Voice 8: from um from from different agricultural um inventories the province has for land use

[1:34:29] Voice 8: down down to the crop in some cases like on Salisbury Island like there's an actual

[1:34:35] Voice 8: agricultural water demand model but South Pender doesn't have that yet um and so

[1:34:43] Voice 8: oops I wanted to take that out um so um I I'm gonna just poke in here on North Pender um or

[1:34:52] Voice 8: sorry South Pender one and um you can see that there's this is the monthly water balance now

[1:34:57] Voice 8: So you can see on on the right hand side of the screen there that recharge basically goes to zero from April to August and including runoff.

[1:35:10] Voice 8: And that's the how much water surplus. So the creeks dry up, as we know, the water uses scales really poorly done here.

[1:35:18] Voice 8: We've got to fix that. But there's a lot more like like a magnitude more of water usage in the summer.

[1:35:24] Voice 8: uh the evapotranspiration goes up precipitation goes down and and so that's that's where the

[1:35:31] Voice 8: deficits come in and so if

[1:35:35] Voice 10: we look i asked a couple of questions on that if i could on the

[1:35:37] Voice 10: last screen william yep yep um water usage i'm assuming that is domestic only uh residential

[1:35:44] Voice 10: domestic or is that including commercial uh

[1:35:47] Voice 8: yeah if you look on the right hand side of the screen

[1:35:50] Voice 8: or left-hand side of the screen there i have domestic and irrigation and there's a little

[1:35:55] Voice 8: bit of unknown which can be perhaps commercial or we just don't know okay but i think maybe

[1:36:04] Voice 8: commercials not being listed here um but let me just do a quick math yeah it seems like there's

[1:36:11] Voice 8: no commercially designated wells in this groundwater region? And I guess you guys would know more

[1:36:21] Voice 8: than me if there is any up there.

[1:36:23] Voice 10: Well, would the irrigation, pardon me, but would the irrigation be under water licenses

[1:36:30] Voice 10: from the province, such as from Greenburn Lake?

[1:36:33] Voice 2: It could be.

[1:36:34] Voice 2: be yeah

[1:36:34] Voice 10: okay because that should

[1:36:37] Voice 10: be that that's where the commercial use comes from on south

[1:36:40] Voice 10: bender yeah they

[1:36:42] Trustee Patrick: may not have registered or licensed their

[1:36:46] Voice 10: yeah that's that's why i'm

[1:36:47] Voice 10: wondering whether there's data on on their usage or not

[1:36:49] Voice 8: yeah i i know that that's a good point so

[1:36:52] Voice 8: this is like uh you know we're setting up the framework and we're hoping as licensing gets

[1:36:57] Voice 8: gets more popular or like as the existing licenses deadline times out like too bad so sad really

[1:37:04] Voice 8: after that then you're going for a new license that that that will start populating this a bit

[1:37:10] Voice 8: more but i think like like yeah like commercial use can get tied up in irrigation as it's like

[1:37:17] Voice 8: this is just from like the registry on on g wells right and it's getting

[1:37:22] Voice 8: better now they have

[1:37:23] Voice 8: have provincial staff cleaning it up now. Um, but it could have just been like someone who has a

[1:37:29] Voice 8: commercial and a little, I don't know, like a little winery or something like that. Just check

[1:37:35] Voice 8: the irrigation off. Right. Um, and, and irrigation is the biggest player no matter where you are. Um,

[1:37:42] Voice 8: so, you know, that's a good question. Um, and, and I mean, we can, once the report gets finalized,

[1:37:49] Voice 8: we can dive into it a little bit more especially if you go to phase three you know to to look at

[1:37:55] Voice 8: planning more to because then we could do data requests and stuff like that just to clean this

[1:38:00] Voice 8: up you know that's why this is a draft for right now but but I guess what I'm trying to say is is

[1:38:06] Voice 8: that you know like a little change here and there may not change the overall picture right it might

[1:38:13] Voice 8: give us better data which is great and so I'm just going to go to the next slide here and I

[1:38:19] Voice 8: and I haven't done this for any other LTC,

[1:38:21] Voice 8: but I decided to pull it up for you guys.

[1:38:23] Voice 8: And this is draft, and this is obviously a snippet.

[1:38:28] Voice 8: So that writing on the bottom is just from the,

[1:38:32] Voice 8: from a screenshot from our map.

[1:38:37] Voice 8: So what this is looking at is,

[1:38:40] Voice 8: this is looking at the available groundwater

[1:38:42] Voice 8: versus the groundwater usage.

[1:38:46] Voice 8: And by looking at North Pender,

[1:38:48] Voice 8: Sorry, keep doing that. South Pender 1 usage is greater than 75%, well, just less than 75%.

[1:39:02] Voice 8: And so we got to do a little bit more work to make sure that we're confident with that pie graph

[1:39:08] Voice 8: there but you know that's your it's it's getting into nearing fully allocated and and that's for

[1:39:19] Voice 8: the region so not to say that there aren't areas of that region that can be populated or densified

[1:39:27] Voice 8: or have a groundwater well that can be next to their neighbors that that is sustainable that's

[1:39:33] Voice 8: It's not what this is saying, but this is, this is throwing out a caution, um, to, to, to that

[1:39:40] Voice 8: region. And, and so, uh, yeah, this, this requires more work, of course, um, to, to make sure that,

[1:39:48] Voice 8: that we got it right and we're getting close. Um, this is also way less than the precautionary

[1:39:55] Voice 8: principle because this is, uh, assuming 600 liters per day, not the deemed right of 2000

[1:40:00] Voice 8: thousand liters per day and another another consideration here is that you can't go to 100

[1:40:07] Voice 8: recharge because then you get diminishing returns every year so like a safety factor of recharge is

[1:40:16] Voice 8: usually in that 50 to 75 range so this is just signaling that that that region and and the

[1:40:24] Voice 8: centroid part of the of the island too is projecting to be allocated and and this is

[1:40:34] Voice 8: without turning on the taps of climate change either and and also not turning on the taps of

[1:40:39] Voice 8: of um conservation and and and remediation of the landscape either right which can help so

[1:40:47] Voice 8: um it's it's a big pie graph and and like that kind of just this is a summary right where

[1:40:56] Voice 8: I showed you how detailed the data gets.

[1:40:58] Voice 8: So just, that's something to consider.

[1:41:01] Voice 8: Okay.

[1:41:02] Voice 10: This is, that's human usage of the water, is that correct?

[1:41:06] Voice 8: Yeah, well that, yeah.

[1:41:08] Voice 8: So the groundwater usage is the human usage,

[1:41:10] Voice 8: but the available groundwater in total is,

[1:41:16] Voice 8: like that

[1:41:16] Voice 8: pie, that pie is determined

[1:41:18] Voice 8: by how much the ecosystem's using too, right?

[1:41:20] Voice 8: So that's why I kind of want to cut it down

[1:41:24] Voice 8: a little bit more into like human use

[1:41:25] Voice 8: and ecosystem use and runoff i think that pie diagram would would be a little bit more telling

[1:41:30] Voice 8: than this because the the pie like it's not none of those pie diagrams equal each other right

[1:41:37] Voice 8: because the ecosystems are all using different water in each of those so it's changing the amount

[1:41:42] Voice 8: of available groundwater so it's more of the available groundwater is determining the pie

[1:41:48] Voice 8: rather than the than the usage in that case if that makes sense yep

[1:41:52] Voice 10: thank

[1:41:53] Voice 8: you um yeah cool and

[1:41:54] Voice 8: And then, so this should have been up higher.

[1:41:57] Voice 8: This is another, this is kind of like what the pie graph should be built upon, I think,

[1:42:02] Voice 8: and how much available groundwater there is.

[1:42:04] Voice 8: But you can see how much runoff that there is compared to how much recharge there is.

[1:42:10] Voice 8: And so I often have people say, well, if we're collecting rainwater, we're removing it from

[1:42:17] Voice 8: recharge.

[1:42:17] Voice 8: It's like, well, not if you take it in the winter, because look at all that runoff, right?

[1:42:21] Voice 8: So, and that runoff does have ecosystem value offshore and onshore for sure.

[1:42:28] Voice 8: But there's a lot of micromanagement that can happen with that runoff water, for sure.

[1:42:36] Voice 8: I'm not going to dwell on 3D mapping.

[1:42:37] Voice 8: It looks cool.

[1:42:39] Voice 8: This is Saturna.

[1:42:41] Voice 8: So it looks quite beautiful.

[1:42:42] Voice 8: And I'm just going to show, and it's going to be fun to show you guys the Silk Pender

[1:42:46] Voice 8: one when it's finalized.

[1:42:48] Voice 8: This is East Point.

[1:42:49] Voice 8: and it's kind of similar to south pender one where it's like why does that groundwater region just

[1:42:55] Voice 8: like follow the ridge and like cut the peninsula in half well you can see if if water recharges up

[1:43:00] Voice 8: on top of that on top of the hill there it's going to skateboard down and that's what's putting water

[1:43:06] Voice 8: into those wells and that green line if you can see it that's sea

[1:43:09] Voice 8: level so you can see that all

[1:43:11] Voice 8: those wells are below sea level and so that's going to be interesting to see all those deep

[1:43:16] Voice 8: wells in south pender and and and these these uh 3d models would be available to anybody to

[1:43:22] Voice 8: cruise around and cut cross sections it's kind of a cool tool so anyway thank you for that um

[1:43:28] Voice 8: i used way too much time um but but here's phase three and and this is what um i'm asking you to

[1:43:34] Voice 8: consider so uh in phase three there's several elements of planning that are already underway

[1:43:39] Voice 8: we have the drastic planning which is looking at uh the vulnerability of contamination to aquifers

[1:43:45] Voice 8: risk is saltwater intrusion mapping i'm on that project with the province now we're doing

[1:43:49] Voice 8: saltwater intrusion risk mapping from the south of pender all the way to haida gawai it's really

[1:43:53] Voice 8: exciting allocate water allocation plans have been on south pender i think the last one was 2000

[1:43:59] Voice 8: they're old need updating um the what north pender can't or south pender can consider is

[1:44:05] Voice 8: community plan updates proof of water regulation aqua protection through land use planning

[1:44:11] Voice 8: planning, community well capture protection, which you don't have any of, and of course

[1:44:15] Voice 8: education and outreach.

[1:44:17] Voice 8: And so this was a timeline of the project, and we started this a long time ago, and now

[1:44:23] Voice 8: here we are.

[1:44:23] Voice 8: And the final deliverables should be happening next month or in March, and that will be the

[1:44:29] Voice 8: final report of those phases one and two.

[1:44:33] Voice 8: And so the next steps are the finalization of the stuff and of that report available to the LTC, which includes recharge maps and the water assessment maps.

[1:44:45] Voice 8: And so now what to consider is the implementation through the integration of this mapping and data just to the routine land use planning applications and long range planning that planners do.

[1:45:01] Voice 8: do and and it's more data that we can consider in in land use planning applications um the one

[1:45:07] Voice 8: big thing to consider this last step is for the ltc to consider uh continuing this on as a top

[1:45:13] Voice 8: priority uh for this upcoming fiscal and potentially look at ocp policy uh policies and

[1:45:20] Voice 8: maybe existing dpas or new dpas uh amendment to existing regulation um perhaps regulations

[1:45:30] Voice 8: for water storage this is all kajima's zone so i'm gonna let him take on from here because like

[1:45:36] Voice 8: each ltc had different considerations like maine has a different consideration than north pender

[1:45:40] Voice 8: and galliano so i don't want to i'm just putting this up there and i think it's time for robert

[1:45:44] Voice 8: take over yeah

[1:45:45] Voice 6: so so far this has gone to maine north pender and galliano um so north pender and

[1:45:50] Voice 6: galliano have kept it on as priorities and so we're presenting them with with project timelines

[1:45:57] Voice 6: lines um to consider options for those those bullet points there ocp amendments dpas

[1:46:05] Voice 6: mending regulations cistern regulations that sort of thing um subdivision servicing regulation

[1:46:11] Voice 6: amendments um and maine has decided to to not proceed with it at this point they're going to

[1:46:20] Voice 6: see how north bender and galliano proceed so this is one of those projects that will be fall under

[1:46:25] Voice 6: under the regional planning team.

[1:46:28] Voice 6: And so Nerissa is the project manager

[1:46:31] Voice 6: for Galeano North Bender project so far.

[1:46:34] Voice 6: So it's gonna be the same planner working on the project

[1:46:38] Voice 6: with William's support.

[1:46:40] Voice 6: So if you do decide to keep it on your top priority,

[1:46:43] Voice 6: then you would sort of proceed along,

[1:46:45] Voice 6: at least initially the same timeline

[1:46:48] Voice 6: as those other two LTCs at this point.

[1:46:54] Voice 6: and you know at a certain point where you're considering your options they may start to

[1:46:58] Voice 6: diverge in terms of where you are in the project but there's certainly an economy to be had

[1:47:05] Voice 6: had and that's what we're looking for with the with the LPS renewal as to where there's

[1:47:10] Voice 6: the same same or similar projects going on on different LTCs that they they proceed at the

[1:47:16] Voice 6: the same time with the same personnel doing it so you get that you get that advantage of um of that

[1:47:22] Voice 6: that economy um so it's something to keep in mind for the discussion later on in the agenda

[1:47:27] Voice 6: about uh what your what your top priorities are for the rest of the term essentially and

[1:47:33] Voice 6: for galliano and north pender the timeline is to complete this by the end of the term

[1:47:37] Voice 6: great

[1:47:43] Voice 2: thanks so much yeah thank you william thank you uh narissa yeah

[1:47:49] Voice 8: hopefully it wasn't uh too

[1:47:51] Voice 8: much and too fast but um no

[1:47:53] Voice 10: at the risk of being branded a science nerd i find this quite fascinating

[1:47:57] Voice 10: so thanks so much all

[1:48:01] Trustee Patrick: right any further questions thank you william and um uh there'll be more

[1:48:08] Trustee Patrick: conversation on this yet to come i guess so

[1:48:11] Voice 8: um okay so we're just uh uh i guess just to finalize

[1:48:16] Voice 8: it robert um so we will or will not be bringing a project charter i mean well

[1:48:22] Voice 6: they're gonna have

[1:48:23] Voice 8: have

[1:48:23] Voice 6: a discussion later on in the agenda so if you

[1:48:25] Voice 8: stick around for item

[1:48:26] Voice 6: 14.1 sure um yeah yeah

[1:48:31] Voice 6: okay yeah you

[1:48:32] Voice 8: just want to

[1:48:32] Voice 6: listen and then we'll call out

[1:48:34] Voice 6: to you if they want to get more information

[1:48:36] Voice 6: on this trust

[1:48:38] Voice 8: trust radio that you know this is great i can go to i can go to south pender to

[1:48:44] Voice 8: salt spring island and i had a discussion with someone from denmark today about this stuff so

[1:48:49] Voice 8: So, you know, it's an amazing world we live in.

[1:48:52] Voice 8: So, yeah, I'll be around.

[1:48:53] Voice 8: Thanks.

[1:48:53] Voice 8: And

[1:48:54] Voice 6: this, I guess you could say that for the Northern Islands, this initiative that's wrapping up, Phase 0, 1, and 2 is going to be rolling out for the Northern Islands in the next fiscal year?

[1:49:07] Voice 6: Yes.

[1:49:08] Voice 8: So right now it's just Phase 0 and Phase 1 in the Northern Islands.

[1:49:13] Voice 8: but also the province was really interested in what we did in the south here and they wanted

[1:49:19] Voice 8: in on it so they actually came in and asked us to do groundwater surface water interactions

[1:49:24] Voice 8: uh study which which was kind of like a tag an add-on to that and i think from that then they

[1:49:32] Voice 8: might be um interested in partnering on the phase two to continue on the work up there so

[1:49:38] Voice 8: I it was it was this work was very ambitious if I were to do it again I probably would have

[1:49:44] Voice 8: only done phase not in phase one um but but we we persevered and I think we did really great

[1:49:51] Voice 8: work for phase two and I think that's that's where the rubber hits the road for the LTC so

[1:49:55] Voice 8: yeah yeah yeah thanks great work sure stop sharing my screen now I think thank

[1:50:03] Trustee Patrick: you very much

[1:50:04] Trustee Patrick: with that we have this table business from item 13.1 so we'll return to our short-term vacation

[1:50:12] Trustee Patrick: review right before the break we had just passed a motion to remove e and f from the draft

[1:50:23] Trustee Patrick: guidelines so where were we

[1:50:30] Voice 2: g that's correct okay

[1:50:33] Voice 9: carry on well

[1:50:37] Voice 10: there again i i don't think um i i'm not i don't think we

[1:50:41] Voice 10: need to require that four spaces be developed but i think um um i think it should be demonstrated

[1:50:47] Voice 10: there is availability of four parking spaces just to try and keep people uh off uh the street

[1:50:53] Voice 10: parking so typically

[1:50:55] Voice 6: what we see when for north bender and galliano is we ask for a site plan

[1:51:00] Voice 6: and uh you know show you're required to two parking spaces you know just as a residential

[1:51:06] Voice 6: use the required to have two spaces and then show like you say where an additional two space

[1:51:11] Voice 6: two cars could be accommodated yep usually on the side of the driveway or something

[1:51:16] Voice 6: thing yeah

[1:51:17] Voice 2: i'm happy with that and um we don't need to we don't need to actually amend

[1:51:22] Voice 7: g then

[1:51:23] Voice 7: do we i

[1:51:24] Voice 6: don't think so no it's it's it's it's gives we that allows us to say to the applicant

[1:51:29] Voice 6: show us how you can accommodate up to four cars on your property okay

[1:51:33] Voice 10: well is shouldn't that be

[1:51:36] Voice 10: specific in the in the bylaw that four needs to be you have to have the capability of four or does

[1:51:46] Voice 10: that already say that i'm sorry yeah

[1:51:48] Voice 6: should they should demonstrate that the property is able

[1:51:50] Voice 6: to accommodate perfect

[1:51:52] Voice 10: okay happy with that right

[1:51:56] Trustee Patrick: what's next uh

[1:51:58] Voice 10: h was just a simple little thing is

[1:52:01] Voice 10: is the number of people said well what information where do we you know why do we have to supply and

[1:52:06] Voice 10: all that stuff so i'm just suggesting that that um the island's trust and the conservancy has

[1:52:12] Voice 10: all this information on hand and it should be made available to them that's all yeah and we

[1:52:16] Voice 6: do with applicants on north bender and galliana we provide that for them

[1:52:19] Voice 10: okay uh and then jay um

[1:52:24] Voice 10: i eliminated north bender but i'm i'm going back on that and i think north bender um can be included

[1:52:30] Voice 10: because uh as i said there's there's property management businesses on north bender not so

[1:52:36] Voice 10: many on south bender and i didn't realize that property management would deal with this sort of

[1:52:40] Voice 10: stuff but i guess they do

[1:52:41] Voice 6: so the just be an amendment to say to change it from south bender

[1:52:45] Voice 6: to south north or south pender yeah that's

[1:52:48] Voice 6: great does

[1:52:49] Trustee Patrick: someone wish to make that motion then i make

[1:52:52] Voice 7: a motion that we add um the word north to clause j so that it reads that the owner or other

[1:53:00] Voice 7: designated contact be available on either north or south pender island all

[1:53:08] Trustee Patrick: right shannon will do

[1:53:09] Trustee Patrick: her magic i'll give her a moment to

[1:53:13] Voice 14: either put that clause in the chat box for me or say it again

[1:53:21] Voice 7: yeah uh shannon just a minute to add the word north to clause j so that reads the temporary

[1:53:27] Voice 7: use permit should require that the owner or other designated contact be available you

[1:53:32] Voice 14: think i can

[1:53:32] Voice 14: type that fast

[1:53:33] Voice 7: it's the

[1:53:35] Voice 14: actual clause that i need the wording for and if you read it to me at the

[1:53:39] Voice 14: speed i'm not able to take it down that quickly okay

[1:53:41] Voice 7: yeah it's it's what's there now i would just

[1:53:46] Voice 7: I can

[1:53:47] Voice 14: go back and look for that clause's wording and fill it in afterwards. I don't have your bylaws up on my screen, but if you're happy for me just to put that in afterwards, then you can go forward with your motion.

[1:54:00] Voice 7: Yeah, I would just add the word north in front of the word south so that it reads north or south.

[1:54:07] Trustee Patrick: Clause J.

[1:54:11] Trustee Patrick: We can trust you to fill that in. Is there a second to that motion?

[1:54:15] Trustee Patrick: there

[1:54:15] Voice 10: is a second is

[1:54:18] Trustee Patrick: there any discussion no I'll

[1:54:21] Trustee Patrick: call the vote all those in favor

[1:54:22] Trustee Patrick: and that's carried thank you oh sorry cat dropping in um

[1:54:31] Trustee Patrick: he's solid uh

[1:54:34] Voice 10: the next one was uh jklm um and it said um uh it may limit uh the number of

[1:54:46] Voice 10: bedrooms that can be used for short-term vacation rentals and I would like that limit to state two

[1:54:51] Voice 10: two bedrooms so I would move that uh uh section m1 uh state uh limit the number of bedrooms

[1:55:05] Voice 10: to two that can be used for short-term vacation rentals is

[1:55:10] Trustee Patrick: there a second

[1:55:11] Voice 7: I just I guess I'm a

[1:55:15] Voice 7: a little confused on that one because um i mean i know of people presently that that use make their

[1:55:23] Voice 7: homes available for short-term vacation rental from time to time um and i mean their the home

[1:55:29] Voice 7: contains more than two bedrooms um uh you know and it's hard to know what what you mean by limiting

[1:55:36] Voice 7: the use to two bedrooms i mean my my preference is is that we if we had a limit on the number of

[1:55:42] Voice 7: a number of people that could stay in a in a dwelling that might be a better way than to try

[1:55:47] Voice 7: and live through a kind of a back door means trying to limit the number of bedrooms that

[1:55:53] Voice 7: could be used i think don't we can don't we have something in here the number of people that can

[1:55:56] Voice 7: stay in here we've got the limit the number of guests who are 18 years of age or older to four

[1:56:02] Voice 7: i just think that the bedroom issue gets a bit vague i mean if they put their suitcases in there

[1:56:08] Voice 7: is that using it if they go in there for a movie night i mean i don't know i just think it's vague

[1:56:12] Voice 10: Yeah, that's fair enough. I'm thinking more of B&Bs.

[1:56:16] Trustee Patrick: Leonard Stockdell, did you have a...

[1:56:19] Planner Stockdill: Yeah, we've had issues with that in the past, you know, especially if you already limit the number of guests. I think that's the strongest tool you have. And then, yes, as you mentioned, if you limit the number of bedrooms, it can become more difficult to enforce as well.

[1:56:39] Planner Stockdill: I hear that.

[1:56:41] Planner Stockdill: yeah

[1:56:42] Voice 10: okay sometimes

[1:56:43] Voice 6: sometimes sorry sometimes when we see an application maybe it's a three

[1:56:46] Voice 6: bedroom house but the owners actually say we only we only lock off one bedroom and um you know

[1:56:52] Voice 6: that's where we store our personal stuff and we only rent two and then just keep in mind an m here

[1:56:58] Voice 6: this is what we can you can put in the actual permit itself as a condition right so you could

[1:57:03] Voice 6: then limit it okay so we'll only use the two bedrooms in the permit on a case-by-case basis

[1:57:10] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:57:11] Voice 10: All right. I'll exclude that request then. And the number of people, I'm just assuming

[1:57:21] Voice 10: will follow the recommendations of Dr. Henry. Number three. Yeah, this is a limitation of

[1:57:35] Voice 10: the limit, the number of days, maybe in the period of May to December in a calendar year,

[1:57:41] Voice 10: to a total of 30 days. That has raised a number of questions by operators, current operators, and

[1:57:53] Voice 10: while I like the principle that it's pushing, I'm wondering whether it could be done by extending

[1:58:05] Voice 10: extending the maximum or the minimum length of stay to seven days, which might achieve the same

[1:58:12] Voice 10: results, but leave more opportunity to carry on the business throughout the summer season.

[1:58:27] Voice 10: Is that, has anybody else done that? Robert or Kim?

[1:58:33] Planner Stockdill: I'm not aware of a limit on the specific

[1:58:37] Planner Stockdill: days of seven, but in reference to this limiting the number of days in the summer months, this is

[1:58:43] Planner Stockdill: a completely new guideline for the southern LTCs. I'm not sure what they do up north, but

[1:58:51] Planner Stockdill: this guideline was brought up at yesterday's meeting with the North Bender LTC, and there

[1:58:56] Planner Stockdill: was certainly some concern, right, because you're trying to support or have the balance between

[1:59:01] Planner Stockdill: supporting the local economy, but you also don't want to see these short-term vacation rentals that

[1:59:06] Planner Stockdill: are booked back to back to back throughout the entire summer months so one way you could

[1:59:12] Planner Stockdill: potentially address that is to increase the number of days that are currently 30 to perhaps something

[1:59:17] Planner Stockdill: like 60 but then again we do run up against the issue of how do we enforce that you know that we

[1:59:24] Planner Stockdill: could potentially uh look online through their airbnb sites which generally have the calendar

[1:59:29] Planner Stockdill: and you can count the number of days but that is also something that the ltc could consider is

[1:59:34] Planner Stockdill: increasing the uh the number of days to 30 to another amount or um removing that guideline

[1:59:40] Planner Stockdill: entirely yeah the other the

[1:59:42] Voice 6: other intent of that in addition to the you know limiting the impacts

[1:59:45] Voice 6: over the summer it's also to have that connection the owner if they're only limited to say half the

[1:59:53] Voice 6: summer half the season those other weeks sort of are not supposed to be rented therefore

[1:59:59] Voice 6: for her.

[2:00:00] Voice 6: it's supporting applicants who have those ties to the community right they come half the time

[2:00:06] Voice 6: in the summer and they rented out the other half of the time and it's another guideline that seeks

[2:00:12] Voice 6: to discourage the absentee owner has no ties to the community never comes and is just renting

[2:00:17] Voice 6: renting it as an investment and i think

[2:00:21] Trustee Patrick: we discussed yesterday that through either airbnb

[2:00:23] Trustee Patrick: or other mechanisms that at the time of renewal we could make them prove that they you know only

[2:00:30] Trustee Patrick: had those number of rentals yeah

[2:00:33] Voice 6: that's where that's where the real power comes in is at the

[2:00:36] Voice 6: time of renewal yeah

[2:00:38] Voice 7: i mean i just sorry steve were you speaking well

[2:00:41] Voice 10: i was just gonna say we

[2:00:42] Voice 10: could leave it and just wait to see what people say at the public at the community meeting as well

[2:00:47] Voice 10: so i'd be happy with that i

[2:00:49] Voice 7: mean i think the number is a bit i know i just look back to my

[2:00:52] Voice 7: notes from november on this topic and uh i think it's a low number to be honest i mean you know

[2:00:58] Voice 7: we're asking people, I mean, to Gordie's point earlier about, you know, you look at the cost of

[2:01:03] Voice 7: a TUP over a three-year period. And then if you limit it to 30 days, so you're getting 90, I guess

[2:01:16] Voice 7: 90 days over a three-year period. Well, I mean, that's in those, in that shoulder, in that period

[2:01:21] Voice 7: of time from May to September but you know I just think you know 153 days or thereabouts is the

[2:01:29] Voice 7: number of days between May 1st and September 30th so 30 days is less than 20 percent of those days

[2:01:35] Voice 7: it seems a bit low to me I would I mean I'd be curious as to what what the community has to say

[2:01:41] Voice 7: but I wouldn't I wouldn't be adverse to seeing that number go up a little bit to say you know

[2:01:49] Voice 7: 40 days or 50 days something like that um but yet i also like the um what robert just noted

[2:01:56] Voice 7: that one of the i mean i guess there's a couple of rationales for why you might have a a cap on that

[2:02:02] Voice 7: one of them being just to deal with some of the the issues that may be associated with

[2:02:07] Voice 7: a lot of tourism and impacts on neighbors but the other one is to keep that owner you know give them

[2:02:12] Voice 7: an opportunity to remain connected to the island and um and i think that's a better approach than

[2:02:18] Voice 7: And I don't want to jump out of queue here, Chair, but I think it's a better approach than what item O says.

[2:02:28] Voice 7: And, you know, we would just we would take out item O and we would leave.

[2:02:32] Voice 7: We would just bump up the number of days here and it would go to what Robert was saying.

[2:02:39] Voice 6: Another option is you just take out the 30 calendar days and you just say, basically say the permit may limit the number of days.

[2:02:49] Voice 6: that it may be in use between may 1st and september 30th and then when the person makes

[2:02:54] Voice 6: the application the onus is on the applicant to come to the ltc and say this is this is how many

[2:02:58] Voice 6: days we want to use it i

[2:03:01] Voice 10: like that yeah i do too

[2:03:02] Voice 10: much more universal approach and site specific so

[2:03:06] Trustee Patrick: um i was going to point out that yesterday uh we also had received a application and considered

[2:03:12] Trustee Patrick: and granted from uh it was a they'd already had uh renewed their permit so it was a new permit

[2:03:18] Trustee Patrick: of an existing uh and they asked for the 60 days so just to let you know that you know that just

[2:03:23] Trustee Patrick: happened on yesterday on a longer longer term tup um for stbr i

[2:03:30] Voice 7: i like i like i mean if robert

[2:03:32] Voice 7: could could restate what he he just said i would suppose that that would be um an amendment to this

[2:03:38] Voice 7: draft bylaw right

[2:03:41] Voice 6: so you would just uh delete uh to a total of 30 days so would we limit the

[2:03:50] Voice 6: number of days the short-term vacation rental may be in use from the period of may 1st to september

[2:03:54] Voice 6: 30th in a calendar year and then

[2:04:00] Voice 7: that and

[2:04:01] Voice 6: then that that gives the planner right the um um the

[2:04:06] Voice 6: discretion that opens the conversation between the planner and the applicant the planner is going to

[2:04:10] Voice 6: to say well how many days do you plan to use it because we the ltc could put a condition in

[2:04:15] Voice 6: if you come forward with a proposal that's reasonable then and we put that in the draft

[2:04:20] Voice 6: permit you know but if you come forward wanting full use you know you might not get that yeah and

[2:04:28] Voice 10: more more importantly it gives the opportunity to be site specific if the if the location the

[2:04:33] Voice 10: stvr is in in an area that william has identified as being extremely limited in water resources

[2:04:39] Voice 10: and we we get a we got a grasp on that so

[2:04:42] Voice 2: yeah are you going to move that cameron i i already i i i

[2:04:47] Voice 2: i guess i seconded or maybe i made the motion you moved you moved it

[2:04:50] Voice 2: shannon

[2:04:52] Trustee Patrick: that's m and i'll

[2:04:53] Voice 2: second it

[2:04:53] Trustee Patrick: m sub bullet three so shannon did you need uh um basically it was removing just a period

[2:05:11] Trustee Patrick: after September after September 30 is that correct?

[2:05:18] Voice 7: After the you know after put a period

[2:05:20] Voice 7: after a calendar year.

[2:05:22] Trustee Patrick: Oh in a calendar year that's okay period after calendar year and

[2:05:26] Trustee Patrick: some bullet three. Do you like it right back?

[2:05:30] Voice 14: Sure. The South Pender Island Local Trust Committee

[2:05:34] Voice 14: directs staff to amend bylaw 119 section m3 to delete to a total of 30 days. So the clause now

[2:05:41] Voice 14: Now reads, limit the number of days the short-term vacation rental may be in use from the period of May 1st to September 30th.

[2:05:48] Trustee Patrick: In a calendar year.

[2:05:50] Trustee Patrick: In a calendar year.

[2:05:51] Trustee Patrick: So keep in a calendar year.

[2:05:57] Trustee Patrick: Okay, that was moved by Trustee Thorne, seconded by Trustee Wright.

[2:06:02] Trustee Patrick: Is there any further discussion?

[2:06:05] Trustee Patrick: I'll call the vote.

[2:06:06] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[2:06:07] Trustee Patrick: And that is carried.

[2:06:11] Trustee Patrick: I know we've talked about trying to put in here something about avoiding the clustering of, I don't know if either of you have suggested words that would work.

[2:06:22] Trustee Patrick: Yeah,

[2:06:22] Voice 7: so I'd make a motion, Chair, that we add a clause to this that would read something along the lines, in addition to any other conditions, I'll say it fast, Shannon, and then I'll say it slow.

[2:06:36] Voice 7: In addition to any other conditions the local trust committee may consider appropriate, in some situations a permit may consider the concentration or clustering of STVRs in any one area.

[2:06:53] Trustee Patrick: So this is under M, adding a clause.

[2:06:59] Voice 6: Robert?

[2:07:00] Voice 6: It shouldn't go under M, it should be a

[2:07:01] Voice 6: standalone guideline, because M is about the conditions that would go in an individual permit.

[2:07:05] Voice 6: that. Whereas

[2:07:07] Voice 6: what Trustee Thorne is suggesting, it's a guideline to assess that individual

[2:07:12] Voice 6: application.

[2:07:14] Trustee Patrick: Okay, so it'd be a new clause. All right, did you want to repeat that clause so that

[2:07:23] Trustee Patrick: Shannon has a sporting

[2:07:24] Voice 14: chance? Cameron, I can read it back to you what I have, and you can

[2:07:27] Voice 14: correct. But Robert, what would the clause designator be? You're muted there, Robert.

[2:07:37] Voice 14: Do you want me to note where it would go?

[2:07:39] Voice 14: No, that's okay.

[2:07:40] Voice 6: Yeah, just in order, something like that.

[2:07:43] Voice 14: So, Cameron, what I have is, in addition to any other conditions the local trust committee may consider appropriate,

[2:07:50] Voice 14: in some situations, the permits may consider the clustering of STVRs in any one area.

[2:07:58] Voice 7: Yes.

[2:07:59] Voice 7: You said concentration or clustering?

[2:08:01] Voice 7: Yeah, correct.

[2:08:02] Voice 7: The concentration or clustering of STVRs in any one area.

[2:08:05] Voice 7: So that would just be a standalone clause that when we're considering those, if it's 20 TUPs, for example, but as we're considering those, this would be one of the things we would take into account in consideration of a TUP.

[2:08:23] Voice 10: I'll second that.

[2:08:25] Trustee Patrick: All right. Do we need to read that back again?

[2:08:28] Voice 10: No, I'm good.

[2:08:29] Trustee Patrick: You're good with that? Okay. Any further discussion? Call the vote. All those in favor? Carried.

[2:08:36] Trustee Patrick: I think that addresses the 200 meter thing or more detail.

[2:08:45] Trustee Patrick: Any other changes?

[2:08:47] Voice 10: Bullet four, it was brought to my attention

[2:08:51] Voice 10: that this requirement is not applicable

[2:08:55] Voice 10: to any other homeowner.

[2:08:58] Voice 10: And so why is it being requested of STVR operators?

[2:09:03] Voice 10: Because there's a presumption here

[2:09:07] Voice 10: that the STVR people renting there are going to be

[2:09:12] Voice 10: a little more orangutan than the owners.

[2:09:15] Voice 10: And that may be true, but in my experience,

[2:09:18] Voice 10: it is not necessarily true.

[2:09:22] Voice 10: So I think it's onerous and I think it should be removed.

[2:09:27] Trustee Patrick: I think, I know this was a North Pender,

[2:09:30] Trustee Patrick: this had come up because we had particular

[2:09:33] Trustee Patrick: neighboring complaints where it's one thing,

[2:09:36] Trustee Patrick: you know your neighbors and now you've got these strangers on a deck overlooking your yard so

[2:09:42] Trustee Patrick: that's really where this was coming from yeah

[2:09:44] Voice 6: there's been a couple of instances where

[2:09:47] Voice 6: particularly decks are close to a neighbor's house or a neighbor's deck and then in the response the

[2:09:54] Voice 6: neighbor to the circulation of the the permit the neighbors have responded about with concerns about

[2:10:00] Voice 6: about privacy impacts and visual impacts and um you know in most cases the um the operator the

[2:10:08] Voice 6: applicant is offered to put something some fencing up or plant some screen or do some planting and

[2:10:14] Voice 6: it's allows that to be made a condition of the temporary use permit to ensure that it's um it's

[2:10:19] Voice 6: carried through with you

[2:10:22] Voice 7: know i you know with all respect to steve i don't actually have a

[2:10:25] Voice 7: i mean if it's gonna like let to your example robert let's just say that you've got a situation

[2:10:31] Voice 7: where in the absence of, I mean, I guess even if it was removed and an applicant that was making

[2:10:37] Voice 7: a TUP was cognizant of the concerns raised by neighbors about the, you know, a debt concern

[2:10:44] Voice 7: in neighbors as, you know, as you cited, they could, I guess, voluntarily make a proposal that

[2:10:51] Voice 7: their TUP would include a condition that they would do these things. I don't, I mean, I guess

[2:10:57] Voice 7: guess i'm just thinking um you know it's this is not a thou shalt but i guess if there's a situation

[2:11:04] Voice 7: where where um where there are i mean i wouldn't mind keeping in there so that at least on it's a

[2:11:11] Voice 7: it's a tool that could be considered and especially if the applicant was supportive of that because

[2:11:16] Voice 7: they saw that that could be another factor in in approval of a tup i don't i don't think it's a bad

[2:11:22] Voice 7: tool personally i'm not

[2:11:25] Voice 6: saying it should

[2:11:25] Voice 7: be a requirement i'm just saying it's it's something

[2:11:27] Voice 7: that could be considered yeah

[2:11:29] Voice 6: yeah the preamble and m says in some situations the permit may

[2:11:36] Voice 10: yeah well it does it does respond to the to the um ocp policy about um making sure that it doesn't

[2:11:43] Voice 10: impact uh adjacent property owners and the peaceful enjoyment of the property so um i mean

[2:11:49] Voice 10: there's a justification for it i just don't want people to think that that we're attacking uh stvr

[2:11:54] Voice 10: owners in particular and discriminating against the behavior of their guests but uh yeah i don't

[2:11:59] Voice 10: have a problem with that Cam. You want to leave it in there we can do that.

[2:12:05] Trustee Patrick: Okay any other changes?

[2:12:08] Voice 10: Just a bullet five that was raised that if it has to be posted somewhere at the front of the

[2:12:16] Voice 10: property that they were concerned that it it lets anybody going by know that the homeowner may not

[2:12:22] Voice 10: be may not be there and there is a particular concern about privacy and security concerns so

[2:12:30] Voice 10: So they asked it to be removed tonight.

[2:12:34] Voice 10: I think that's reasonable.

[2:12:41] Voice 7: Yeah, I'm fine with that.

[2:12:48] Voice 10: So I move that section M five be removed.

[2:12:58] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second trustee Thorne you're frozen and now.

[2:13:05] Voice 7: Sorry, I second that.

[2:13:07] Trustee Patrick: Okay, thank you.

[2:13:10] Trustee Patrick: Is there any discussion?

[2:13:14] Trustee Patrick: Call the vote then all those in favor.

[2:13:20] Trustee Patrick: And

[2:13:23] Voice 10: then the last one, thank goodness, is O. As I said, I get the idea behind this because

[2:13:31] Voice 10: it's meant as a disincentive to utilizing properties and homes as investment. And those

[2:13:40] Voice 10: people may have no connection whatsoever with the island other than to take advantage of its

[2:13:47] Voice 10: real estate values. But I think it may be discriminatory against people just owning

[2:13:59] Voice 10: property and being absentee from it either from a length of time during the year or perhaps

[2:14:08] Voice 10: having to move or be transferred or for other some reason don't live in the area and still

[2:14:16] Voice 10: want to retain it for future use and or family succession so I like the idea I just don't think

[2:14:26] Voice 10: this is a good way to respond to it.

[2:14:31] Voice 7: Those would be those I mean not to belabor this conversation

[2:14:35] Voice 7: those are precisely my thoughts as well and I do recall in previous correspondence that we

[2:14:42] Voice 7: that we've had over the months on this general topic there was some some folks that you know

[2:14:47] Voice 7: I think one person is a professor down at Berkeley

[2:14:50] Voice 7: and they are only able to get up here periodically.

[2:14:52] Voice 7: And I guess with COVID,

[2:14:53] Voice 7: they're able to get up even less often.

[2:14:55] Voice 7: And so, yeah, I don't want to see this become an issue

[2:15:00] Voice 7: where the intent was good,

[2:15:02] Voice 7: but the impact is maybe not so good.

[2:15:04] Voice 7: So I would agree that we remove it entirely.

[2:15:10] Trustee Patrick: Would someone like to propose a motion?

[2:15:13] Voice 10: I'll move that section.

[2:15:15] Voice 10: I don't know where we're going.

[2:15:17] Voice 10: on section M, no, section O be removed in its entirety.

[2:15:23] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second?

[2:15:25] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Thorne, is there any discussion?

[2:15:30] Voice 2: Nope.

[2:15:30] Trustee Patrick: All the vote, all those in favor?

[2:15:33] Trustee Patrick: Carried.

[2:15:36] Voice 10: The other thing was Chief Dine asked that STVR permits

[2:15:44] Voice 10: have a requirement in it for a fire inspection

[2:15:47] Voice 10: because he has absolutely no ability to do it.

[2:15:51] Voice 10: But if it is a requirement of a permit,

[2:15:55] Voice 10: then he could complete a fire inspection.

[2:15:59] Voice 10: And he was hopeful that we

[2:16:01] Voice 10: and North Bender Island Trust Committees

[2:16:04] Voice 10: include it as a requirement of this permit.

[2:16:08] Trustee Patrick: We have the one comment from the CRD

[2:16:11] Trustee Patrick: about it being a dwelling with an occupancy permit.

[2:16:14] Trustee Patrick: So that covers some of that.

[2:16:18] Trustee Patrick: but you'd say that's in addition can we can we have another agency require another agency to do

[2:16:26] Trustee Patrick: an inspection I guess I'm asking staff yeah

[2:16:30] Planner Stockdill: we can certainly add that as a guideline if the LTC

[2:16:34] Planner Stockdill: wishes to do so yeah

[2:16:35] Voice 6: we'd basically then the planner would say to the applicant you need to

[2:16:39] Voice 6: contact the fire department arrange for an inspection and a letter or whatever they provide

[2:16:46] Voice 10: Okay. I so move that one of the guidelines for TUP include the request for a fire inspection

[2:16:54] Voice 10: by the local fire department.

[2:17:01] Voice 7: Can I just ask a question on that?

[2:17:06] Voice 7: What is the parameters of an inspection? I mean, I think about

[2:17:14] Voice 7: about when we all get our occupancy permits for our homes I think you know if memory serves me

[2:17:20] Voice 7: right the fire chief wants to know that the driveway is not too steep to get down to I mean

[2:17:24] Voice 7: there's some cases where properties where there's where there's difficulty being with fire to

[2:17:30] Voice 7: emergency vehicles to be able to access them you know in some cases people have put in sprinkler

[2:17:34] Voice 7: alarms or sprinkler systems and that kind of thing but but assuming that's not the case and it's a

[2:17:39] Voice 7: a standard um home i don't recall ever having a an inspection of my property i realize this

[2:17:47] Voice 7: this is different in the sense that this is a commercial enterprise but but what what um like

[2:17:53] Voice 7: what would the things that that that um would be what would be sort of the conditions of an

[2:18:00] Voice 7: inspection that there be a sprinkler or a fire extinguisher or or the wiring safe or i'm just

[2:18:07] Voice 7: trying to understand before we go forward with this that we don't have an unintended consequence

[2:18:12] Voice 7: that's a good question i

[2:18:14] Trustee Patrick: had looked up um but i i in preparation for conversations here on salt

[2:18:19] Trustee Patrick: spring i pulled together requirements from a number of jurisdictions uh vancouver even though

[2:18:25] Trustee Patrick: it's vancouver but it it has a you have to confirm confirm the home is legal so they're the owner has

[2:18:31] Trustee Patrick: has to say they've done these things, I guess,

[2:18:35] Trustee Patrick: but it includes that it is a legal dwelling unit,

[2:18:38] Trustee Patrick: the contact information post a fire plan at all entrances,

[2:18:43] Trustee Patrick: have interconnected smoke alarms,

[2:18:44] Trustee Patrick: have a working accessible fire.

[2:18:46] Trustee Patrick: So they go through and they describe what's required.

[2:18:51] Trustee Patrick: So there's not an inspection,

[2:18:52] Trustee Patrick: but they say you must have these things.

[2:18:55] Voice 10: Well, I'm certainly not gonna suggest

[2:18:59] Voice 10: that I know what Chief Dine is looking for,

[2:19:02] Voice 10: But I think it can be as simple as just checking batteries to make sure that the carbon monoxide and the smoke alarms are operative, that there is some notification of how to get around.

[2:19:14] Voice 10: He's also concerned about people coming to the island without any idea of the risk of wildfire and what they can do to mitigate that, such as clear some of the fuel from around the house.

[2:19:28] Voice 10: but that would probably be best answered by Chief Dine and not myself he's just asked that we place

[2:19:35] Voice 10: it as a requirement so that he can address some of those issues but I don't think he's I don't

[2:19:40] Voice 10: think he's looking to go in there to shut down an operation because they don't have urban concerns

[2:19:51] Voice 10: concerns about escape routes, extra doors, and hatchways, and sprinkler systems.

[2:20:01] Voice 7: You know, I'm fine to keep this in here, and I know it's going to come back at the time of a

[2:20:06] Voice 7: public hearing. What would be comforting for me is that before this became, you know, enshrined

[2:20:16] Voice 7: in uh in the conditions that prior to that we would get a sense from from mike what you know

[2:20:22] Voice 7: what he was what what the scope of the of the inspection would entail just so that we would

[2:20:29] Voice 10: yeah i think you should be at the community meeting if he wants it to go forward we'll put

[2:20:35] Voice 10: it on our

[2:20:35] Trustee Patrick: planner stock bill you were

[2:20:36] Planner Stockdill: yeah i did take a look at the bylaw referral form and it does

[2:20:39] Planner Stockdill: not look like he was uh given the formal bylaw referral so what i could do is do that i can

[2:20:46] Planner Stockdill: provide them with the bylaw the amended bylaw and ask for comments and then i can present that at

[2:20:52] Planner Stockdill: the next ltc meeting and as soon as we receive them we'll circulate them to the ltc and that may

[2:20:56] Planner Stockdill: help the ltc make a decision great

[2:20:59] Voice 10: idea thank you so much so we

[2:21:03] Trustee Patrick: can always add that clause

[2:21:03] Trustee Patrick: later is that what you're recommending that's right is that okay

[2:21:06] Trustee Patrick: with trustees all right so

[2:21:09] Voice 10: we have that

[2:21:09] Trustee Patrick: crd clause about legal dwelling is that something you'd like to have in here

[2:21:14] Trustee Patrick: yeah

[2:21:15] Voice 10: or

[2:21:16] Trustee Patrick: occupancy permit put

[2:21:18] Voice 10: it in there

[2:21:19] Trustee Patrick: go

[2:21:21] Voice 10: ahead cam i

[2:21:23] Trustee Patrick: think kim was gonna did she put the language

[2:21:25] Trustee Patrick: in there uh

[2:21:26] Planner Stockdill: yes so uh it would read that a short-term vacation rental uh temporary use

[2:21:32] Planner Stockdill: permit should not be issued in a dwelling or cottage that does not have occupancy permit

[2:21:38] Planner Stockdill: I would

[2:21:41] Voice 7: I would make a motion to the words that the planner used second thank

[2:21:46] Trustee Patrick: you so moved by

[2:21:49] Trustee Patrick: trustee Thorne seconded by trustee Wright and Shannon did you get that yes Kim provided it

[2:21:57] Trustee Patrick: excellent

[2:21:58] Voice 14: all right

[2:21:59] Trustee Patrick: is there any discussion I'll call the vote all those in favor and that is

[2:22:05] Trustee Patrick: carried and

[2:22:06] Voice 10: honest this is the very last one of the one of the points that has been raised

[2:22:12] Voice 10: is that a registry be established and I don't know if we need direction in these guidelines

[2:22:17] Voice 10: to say that yes you have to be included on a registry and you have to provide or forward

[2:22:28] Voice 10: information annually to the LTC so we can use it for informational purposes and determine whether

[2:22:34] Voice 10: whether we're doing the right thing or whether we're not.

[2:22:40] Voice 10: Yeah,

[2:22:41] Planner Stockdill: the best form of a registry and what we've done with previous LTCs is Robert has mentioned that on the South Pender LTC website under applications,

[2:22:51] Planner Stockdill: we can list all temporary use permits there.

[2:22:55] Planner Stockdill: And generally we include the application number, the applicant, when the permit was issued and when it expires.

[2:23:04] Planner Stockdill: So that actually acts as a registry within itself.

[2:23:07] Voice 10: And can we ask that the current operating SCBRs also voluntarily include themselves in the registry or maybe not voluntarily, but tell them that they need to be?

[2:23:24] Voice 10: So

[2:23:24] Voice 6: these would be the ones that are rendered non-conforming, legal non-conforming?

[2:23:28] Voice 10: Yeah, and it's because their information is equally as important as anybody else's.

[2:23:32] Voice 10: And they've got the experience and the knowledge of what has been going on.

[2:23:39] Voice 10: And so to leave their voice out of it for trying to collect data, to me, sounds a little silly.

[2:23:44] Voice 10: So I'd like to have them included.

[2:23:46] Voice 10: So

[2:23:46] Voice 6: we've got the bio-enforcement data that was gathered.

[2:23:51] Voice 6: They're the ones who are the experts at drilling down into Airbnb and VRBO websites and figuring out where things are.

[2:24:00] Voice 6: so they provided that but that's you know that's personal information in many cases

[2:24:08] Voice 6: so it would have to be people would voluntarily perhaps people who were seeking confirmation

[2:24:14] Voice 6: that they were lawful non-conforming and wanted to provide that information uh proactively um

[2:24:23] Voice 6: we could track that yeah

[2:24:26] Voice 10: i'm not looking for names of people i just want to know the number

[2:24:30] Voice 10: basically how long they've stayed um if it's important to establish what activities they're

[2:24:35] Voice 10: following that sort of stuff maybe it's a small questionnaire to the guests we don't need to know

[2:24:41] Voice 10: who the guests are where they came from we don't need privacy issues it's just it's just sort of

[2:24:45] Voice 10: um data mining how many and when they're when they're showing up so if we need to adjust

[2:24:52] Voice 10: uh any of these bylaws that we've got some data in order to to do it with that

[2:25:00] Voice 6: would just i that

[2:25:01] Voice 6: That would be a voluntary questionnaire for guests to fill out, I would think.

[2:25:04] Voice 10: Okay.

[2:25:04] Voice 10: All right.

[2:25:05] Voice 7: Did we, you know, maybe this is, maybe I'm speaking on a different matter, but in, over

[2:25:12] Voice 7: the course of the months that we've been on this conversation, and one of the things was,

[2:25:16] Voice 7: you know, at some time ago, we spoke about the fact that a TEP would not be required

[2:25:20] Voice 7: for, for folks that were already, you know, operating at a short-term vacation rental.

[2:25:26] Voice 7: And then it became the question of, well, who does everybody say they are or who's doing, you know, who, who, who are those people? And, and I thought that we had talked at one point in time about a self declaration by those that, that, that are operating, that they would, they would, they would declare themselves as such.

[2:25:45] Voice 7: And that would be a way for us to establish the baseline of which properties currently operate under a grandfather clause provision.

[2:25:56] Voice 7: So I don't know where that went, but unless my memory is failing me, I think we did talk about that at one point in time.

[2:26:02] Voice 6: So that could be something like an implementation phase of the project right after the public hearing.

[2:26:06] Voice 6: Part of the implementation is, you know, ask us to do a simple one page PDF, put it on the website.

[2:26:14] Voice 6: site those operators who want the comfort of saying okay here's i'm declaring that i've been

[2:26:20] Voice 6: operating you know here's my bnb airbnb ad or whatever um they can submit that to us and then

[2:26:27] Voice 6: we we've got that somewhere and uh you can track it probably on the on the gis add it to the to a

[2:26:36] Voice 6: free form screen and um yeah we just give give that a little bit more information

[2:26:43] Voice 7: One thing that maybe we could do with that at the same time, and there would be a second, maybe part to that little simple form that we would send out, is there would be an optional box that people could check if they granted their approval to be, that they'd be listed, you know, in a comprehensive list of all the, you know, you've got the TUP, you know, on the website, you've got those homes that are operating,

[2:27:11] Voice 7: a stvr pursuant to a tup and then providing other people that have grandfather clause provisions if

[2:27:18] Voice 7: they consented then there there might be a you know part of a list that would talk about those

[2:27:23] Voice 7: those folks then you somebody visits that website could see a global list of who you know all the

[2:27:31] Voice 7: stvrs on the island yeah

[2:27:34] Voice 6: yeah so yeah make a make a note of that as a sort of implementation or

[2:27:39] Voice 6: follow-up thank

[2:27:40] Voice 7: you okay

[2:27:42] Voice 4: should

[2:27:43] Trustee Patrick: we have the minutes uh just note that so we recall that that

[2:27:47] Trustee Patrick: you know we consider for the implementation phase a registry of some form yeah is that enough

[2:27:55] Trustee Patrick: yeah good

[2:27:57] Trustee Patrick: jog our memories shannon you

[2:27:59] Trustee Patrick: got that okay thank you anything else no

[2:28:07] Voice 10: not with sdvrs

[2:28:09] Voice 10: staff

[2:28:10] Trustee Patrick: do you need a planner stock bill yes

[2:28:13] Planner Stockdill: we had to turn our minds back to the recommendations on

[2:28:16] Planner Stockdill: the first page and if the south fender

[2:28:19] Planner Stockdill: ltc uh oh sorry it'll

[2:28:22] Trustee Patrick: be page 31 oh yeah 31

[2:28:33] Voice 7: planner stock bill the the um if i look at the recommendations now uh recommendations one and two

[2:28:40] Voice 7: do and of course we've made some minor amendments um today to these so if i was to read these

[2:28:47] Voice 7: recommendations out in the port in the process of making a motion would i just need to use the

[2:28:51] Voice 7: words as amended in those sections where we're referencing that the

[2:28:56] Planner Stockdill: bylaw has already been

[2:28:57] Planner Stockdill: amended so you wouldn't need to yeah reiterate

[2:29:00] Planner Stockdill: that all

[2:29:01] Voice 7: right well then i'm happy to i'm happy

[2:29:03] Voice 7: to make the recommendation if that's the appropriate time all right so i would uh

[2:29:09] Voice 7: pursuant to page 31 i would recommend that the south pender island local trust committee has

[2:29:14] Voice 7: reviewed the island's trust policy statement only checklist and determined that bylaws 119 and 120

[2:29:21] Voice 7: cited as south pender island official community pelhan bylaw number 107 2011 amendment number

[2:29:27] Voice 7: number one, 2020 and South Pender Island land use bylaw

[2:29:32] Voice 7: number 114, 2016 amendment number one, 2020

[2:29:36] Voice 7: are not contrary to or at variance

[2:29:39] Voice 7: with the Island's trust policy statement.

[2:29:41] Trustee Patrick: Is that one motion at a time?

[2:29:43] Trustee Patrick: So is there a second?

[2:29:45] Voice 10: Well, I'm just impressed with this memory.

[2:29:47] Voice 10: So I'm going to second it.

[2:29:51] Trustee Patrick: All right, is there any discussion on this motion?

[2:29:54] Trustee Patrick: I'll call the vote.

[2:29:55] Trustee Patrick: all those in favor? And that is carried.

[2:30:00] Voice 7: And second recommendation that the South Pender Island Local Trust Committee request staff to schedule a community information meeting in a public hearing for bylaw number 119 cited as South Pender Island Official Community Plan bylaw number 107-2011, amendment number 120-20.

[2:30:20] Voice 7: and bylaw 120 cited as south pender island land use bylaw number 114 2016 amendment number 120

[2:30:30] Voice 7: is there

[2:30:33] Trustee Patrick: a second thank you trustee right is there any discussion

[2:30:36] Trustee Patrick: call the vote all those in favor and that too is carried all right planner stock deal we've

[2:30:43] Trustee Patrick: wrapped a bow around that one thanks

[2:30:46] Voice 10: kim thanks uh robert it's it's been a a long haul

[2:30:50] Voice 10: all great work all

[2:30:52] Trustee Patrick: right well um i think it's important we had this conversation yesterday that

[2:30:57] Trustee Patrick: we know that sometimes the community gets excited about this this is going to public hearing we want

[2:31:02] Trustee Patrick: to hear from them and encourage them to bring specific you know recommendations if they'd like

[2:31:07] Trustee Patrick: to see a change and um and that we still can change this if we need to after public hearing so

[2:31:13] Trustee Patrick: um i think that was the key message we wanted to make sure people heard yesterday that we haven't

[2:31:21] Trustee Patrick: made a decision until we make a decision right all

[2:31:25] Trustee Patrick: right so it's a 13.2 is uh the alternative

[2:31:28] Trustee Patrick: housing project and i believe uh nurse at chadwick is here and that's on page 46 of the agenda

[2:31:32] Trustee Patrick: package welcome narissa

[2:31:36] Voice 11: yeah hi there um yeah so this uh so the staff report is introducing um

[2:31:43] Voice 11: to the LTC, a draft bylaw number 121 that will tie RVs to building permits and place a two-year

[2:31:56] Voice 11: limit on them being able to be used as a dwelling when a building permit is in place. So these

[2:32:06] Voice 11: These bylaws, this bylaw emerges out of conversations

[2:32:11] Voice 11: that have been happening over the last few meetings

[2:32:17] Voice 11: that at one point there wasn't,

[2:32:20] Voice 11: so there was an interest in looking,

[2:32:23] Voice 11: we'd be calling this project alternative forms of housing

[2:32:26] Voice 11: because it was also considering the temporary housing

[2:32:31] Voice 11: for seasonal workers in farming and forestry.

[2:32:34] Voice 11: But ultimately, in the last meeting, LTC did decide that that could be addressed through a temporary use permit.

[2:32:45] Voice 11: The other discussion that was had at the last meeting, November 6th, was the idea of placing a 60-day limit on the use of RVs as recreational use.

[2:32:58] Voice 11: use. And again, it was decided by the LTC that you just at this point defer to existing

[2:33:08] Voice 11: enforcement on recreational use for RVs. So that ultimately has taken us to looking specifically

[2:33:16] Voice 11: at some changes to 3.10 of the land use bylaw. And that can be found if you look on page

[2:33:26] Voice 11: 47 of the agenda package, I've identified what those changes would be. So two changes really

[2:33:35] Voice 11: to that existing regulation. And one is just identifying the maximum of two years

[2:33:45] Voice 11: as being the period of time that archaeological vehicles can be used as temporary dwellings.

[2:33:52] Voice 11: And then 3.101E is an additional clause that ties the use of recreational vehicles as dwellings to the building permit.

[2:34:09] Voice 11: it. So it's a fairly straightforward and so recommendation is that we hold a public hearing

[2:34:27] Voice 11: and community information meeting at the next LTC meeting and the policy statement directives

[2:34:36] Voice 11: checklist has been um uh also connected on to uh to the staff report here so looking for

[2:34:44] Voice 11: there's nothing contrary to that so um the resolutions uh reflect uh recommendation

[2:34:51] Voice 11: for first reading on this um that the the directive policy checklist is not contrary to

[2:34:57] Voice 11: uh the island's trust policy statement and then um and then uh requesting staff to schedule the

[2:35:05] Voice 11: the CIM and the public hearing at the next LTC meeting.

[2:35:12] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[2:35:13] Trustee Patrick: Trustees, questions?

[2:35:17] Voice 10: Yeah, I've had a fairly major rethink on some of this

[2:35:22] Voice 10: and a lot of discussions with people

[2:35:24] Voice 10: that are actually operating farms

[2:35:26] Voice 10: and what they're looking for housing.

[2:35:31] Voice 10: And I kind of think that the term alternate housing

[2:35:35] Voice 10: when we're talking about RVs is not applicable

[2:35:37] Voice 10: because I don't want RVs to be looked at

[2:35:42] Voice 10: as an alternative full-time dwelling

[2:35:44] Voice 10: because they are simply not constructed

[2:35:46] Voice 10: to be used full-time.

[2:35:50] Voice 10: So where they are being used,

[2:35:52] Voice 10: and I don't want to force people into breaking the bylaw

[2:35:56] Voice 10: because they want to stay in their trailer on their lot

[2:36:00] Voice 10: during the summertime, for instance,

[2:36:02] Voice 10: if they don't have a building permit.

[2:36:03] Voice 10: So my sense is that it would be better to define that RVs can be used on a temporary basis for seasonal use.

[2:36:20] Voice 10: I think we talked about the difficulty of having a maximum of two years is problematic when it came to enforcement.

[2:36:31] Voice 10: But if we tied the two years to the use of it as a permanent or a full-time dwelling while there is a building permit in place, then I think that would respond to the people using it while they built their home.

[2:36:52] Voice 10: And it doesn't imply that we are allowing them in any other way to be used as full-time dwellings.

[2:37:00] Voice 10: and it would also make it a little easier for people coming in the summertime

[2:37:07] Voice 10: or whenever they come on a short-term basis that they're free to use their RV

[2:37:17] Voice 10: on a temporary basis for seasonal use.

[2:37:21] Voice 10: Does that kind of make sense?

[2:37:28] Voice 2: Sorry, Marissa, you go ahead.

[2:37:30] Voice 11: sorry yeah i think um i think what you what you're expressing with respect to the tying the um

[2:37:39] Voice 11: tying the recreational vehicle use to two years with the building permit so that's that's what

[2:37:45] Voice 11: this um the bylaw has presented um and with respect to your other point um

[2:37:53] Voice 11: um that i mean currently uh the discussion was had at the last meeting um around uh the the

[2:38:01] Voice 11: recreational use of rvs and um and at that point it was it was decided that you just fall back to

[2:38:09] Voice 11: how to um sort of current methods of enforcement with respect to that which is which is generally

[2:38:15] Voice 11: um by complaint driven yeah

[2:38:21] Voice 10: i'm i'm not um if someone wants to come and use it

[2:38:25] Voice 10: seasonally on a temporary basis, I don't want that to be problematic or open to a complaint.

[2:38:31] Voice 10: I think people utilize these things for the purpose for which they are built,

[2:38:36] Voice 10: and I don't want to complicate that. And I also don't want to see someone inadvertently coming

[2:38:44] Voice 10: over for two weeks and then getting hammered with a complaint from his neighbor because his

[2:38:48] Voice 10: neighbor doesn't like it. But I would like to see any use of the RV be open, this is where I'm a

[2:39:00] Voice 10: little short on clarity here, to a siting permit. And I say that because most of the issues that we

[2:39:07] Voice 10: have have to do with siting. And also if there was a siting permit involved, then we can ensure

[2:39:14] Voice 10: sure that they are attached to a septic system, potable water. I understand that some of these

[2:39:22] Voice 10: units have holding tanks, but because we do not have any facility here for a pump-out station,

[2:39:29] Voice 10: then I think that it should be hooked up to a septic system.

[2:39:37] Voice 11: So are you referring to recreational vehicles that would be used seasonally?

[2:39:43] Voice 11: Mm

[2:39:43] Voice 10: hmm. Yeah, if they're going to use, if they're going to bring one on on island and use them seasonally for a stay, there has to be a demonstrated need that they're just not dumping their sewage into a hole in the ground, or that it's being treated properly.

[2:40:03] Voice 10: And if the only way we can do that is through a siting permit, then I would like to, I think that is probably the most obvious way to go.

[2:40:12] Voice 10: And the simplest way is just to require a siting permit.

[2:40:16] Voice 6: So we don't have siting permits.

[2:40:18] Voice 10: That's what I was afraid of.

[2:40:20] Voice 10: Yeah,

[2:40:20] Voice 6: the siting and use permits on Denman and Hornby, but they're only allowed to be issued, only allowed to use that within the absence of a building permitting bylaw being in place.

[2:40:35] Voice 6: So it's an alternative where there's no building permitting regime in place.

[2:40:39] Voice 6: So it's only Hornby and Denman and Liskety that don't have building

[2:40:43] Voice 6: permitting, and Hornby and Denman have done the siting and use permits, Liskety, of course.

[2:40:48] Voice 10: That's right.

[2:40:49] Voice 10: nothing the problem is that the crd only has citing permits in victoria they don't have it

[2:40:55] Voice 10: on the gulf islands so that's why we're kind of left out in the open here we're kind of hanging

[2:40:59] Voice 10: by well

[2:41:00] Voice 6: they would do building perm building permitting is the stage when we would get

[2:41:04] Voice 6: involved in confirming that it's cited properly so um so if i if i heard what you're saying you

[2:41:10] Voice 6: want to remove from the bylaws drafted now the maximum of two years is that right uh

[2:41:16] Voice 10: well i don't

[2:41:17] Voice 10: mind that as long as there's a building permit in place okay

[2:41:20] Voice 6: so that's that's this one yeah if

[2:41:22] Voice 10: they're going to use it for full time so they can they can use it all year round but other than that

[2:41:27] Voice 10: i don't want it to be looked at as an alternative form of housing i just want it to be seen that

[2:41:33] Voice 10: they can use them as a seasonal for what they were built for a seasonal temporary use so i'm just

[2:41:40] Voice 10: trying to make that differentiation right

[2:41:42] Voice 6: so we'd have to revise this so that the maximum of two

[2:41:45] Voice 6: two years is moved to e where it's it's linked to a building permit right

[2:41:51] Voice 10: where

[2:41:52] Voice 6: a building permit

[2:41:52] Voice 6: has been issued um or it would have to be or where a building permit is issued um for a maximum of

[2:42:01] Voice 6: two years where a building permit has been issued for a dwelling for a maximum of two years so you

[2:42:21] Voice 6: a year between May 1st and September 1st is that well

[2:42:25] Voice 10: I mean people want to come for Christmas I

[2:42:28] Voice 10: don't have a problem with them coming for Christmas you know I that's not it I just

[2:42:32] Voice 10: want to make sure that we're not using it as a as an alternative form of permanent housing

[2:42:36] Voice 10: yes

[2:42:37] Trustee Patrick: Salt Spring has 90 days for the yeah

[2:42:41] Voice 11: and I our previous call the previous conversation

[2:42:44] Voice 11: in November

[2:42:48] Voice 11: looked at

[2:42:49] Voice 11: something that would identify

[2:42:51] Voice 11: it was a 60 day

[2:42:53] Voice 11: the proposal was 60 days

[2:42:56] Voice 11: within the year

[2:42:57] Voice 11: so that was

[2:42:58] Voice 11: the discussion last time

[2:43:00] Voice 10: and didn't we get hammered that that was

[2:43:03] Voice 10: going to be difficult

[2:43:06] Voice 10: to enforce

[2:43:07] Voice 10: yeah

[2:43:09] Trustee Patrick: along

[2:43:10] Voice 10: with everything else

[2:43:11] Voice 10: it's going to be

[2:43:11] Voice 10: difficult to enforce

[2:43:12] Voice 10: for us. Yeah.

[2:43:13] Trustee Patrick: I mean, to me, how I see this is you're indicating it's, it's, it's achieving what

[2:43:16] Trustee Patrick: you're trying to say in the best way we can. You're saying you don't want them to be a permanent

[2:43:20] Trustee Patrick: dwelling. So

[2:43:22] Trustee Patrick: we have one exception up to two years while you're building a house and have that

[2:43:25] Trustee Patrick: occupation, you can live in a trailer. Otherwise we're saying up to, at this point, it says 60

[2:43:30] Trustee Patrick: days throughout a year that indicates it's a, it's a temporary use while it's there. And while

[2:43:36] Trustee Patrick: you're doing that it must be connected and to a sewer system and so forth yeah so that's what's

[2:43:42] Trustee Patrick: here so the question is uh you know yes it'll always be difficult too but that at least it's

[2:43:48] Trustee Patrick: a pathway uh that's available if if there is a problem yeah

[2:43:54] Voice 10: what do you think karen well yeah i

[2:43:56] Voice 7: mean um yeah i mean i guess you know just yes i like that i mean i guess i'm thinking you know

[2:44:02] Voice 7: know to try and break this down into a couple of principles or approaches i mean one of one of them

[2:44:08] Voice 7: first off and i know this this there's a bit of history on this whole thing about alternative

[2:44:13] Voice 7: forms of housing and rvs but i think at the end of the day i think in my mind rvs are not should

[2:44:20] Voice 7: not be looked at as a solution to long-term cost-effective housing like it's not it's not

[2:44:26] Voice 7: it's not the answer you know for a multitude of different reasons so principle one don't consider

[2:44:31] Voice 7: their RVs as a long-term housing solution. Objective or principle two is that being said,

[2:44:40] Voice 7: they are probably a pretty darn good solution while somebody is building their house. So if

[2:44:45] Voice 7: they're connected to water and sewer, if they are properly sited, and if there's a building

[2:44:50] Voice 7: permanent place, then you can live in it full-time for two years. And then principle three is you

[2:44:58] Voice 7: You have another segment where you've got people that haven't built yet on their property

[2:45:05] Voice 7: and don't have necessarily plans to do so, but they want to enjoy their property.

[2:45:10] Voice 7: So those are the seasonal category of users.

[2:45:16] Voice 7: And I get the point.

[2:45:18] Voice 7: I think Warren made the point last time about the difficulty of enforcing it.

[2:45:23] Voice 7: But I think it's sort of an aspirational thing or it's setting out the intentions.

[2:45:28] Voice 7: you know if we just said nothing then people could say well i didn't know i could i just there

[2:45:34] Voice 7: was no you know at least we've sort of set out an aspiration so i i think that if we said 60 days or

[2:45:40] Voice 7: 70 days or whatever we said then at least at least it gives us something um in that respect um i guess

[2:45:47] Voice 7: it becomes a difficult one the one i'm i mean in an ideal world i think it's it's it's it's um

[2:45:55] Voice 7: appropriate that if somebody's there for up to 60 days or 70 days in a year, that they should

[2:46:01] Voice 7: be connected to a septic system. But I think there's probably lots of cases where that's not

[2:46:06] Voice 7: the case. And so I'm kind of wondering, looking for a bit of guidance on how to deal with that

[2:46:11] Voice 7: wrinkle, you know, for the seasonal people that may not even have figured out where they're

[2:46:16] Voice 7: siting their house yet. So they don't know where their septic system is yet. And they're kind of

[2:46:20] Voice 7: to get to know the property like what do we do in a situation like that um

[2:46:27] Voice 11: so similar to the

[2:46:30] Voice 11: discussion that we were having um in november um we sort of we we we went there but we had some

[2:46:38] Voice 11: there was some discussion of exactly this um and i guess really like um the the question would be

[2:46:46] Voice 11: how much of a problem is it currently? I don't know, Robert, if you have like an idea of like

[2:46:53] Voice 11: what bylaw enforcement on RVs has been that might give a sense of how much of a problem it is.

[2:47:01] Voice 11: Because I think, again, where we arrived at with the conversation last time was that generally the

[2:47:08] Voice 11: way that it's worked on most islands that don't have a limit, which I think is a majority,

[2:47:13] Voice 11: and don't actually um you know outright allow rvs to be sort of used as accommodation um

[2:47:22] Voice 11: essentially default to uh to complaints so um in that respect there have no i i mean i'm i'm

[2:47:31] Voice 11: guessing if there aren't any complaints it's not it hasn't been a big a big problem um there the

[2:47:37] Voice 11: The challenge with setting a 60-day limit is that if you do get the rowdy, you know, party trailer on the property next to you, you can't really get rid of them for 60 days, essentially.

[2:47:53] Voice 11: Whereas, you know, the trailer with the grandkids is likely, you know, not going to be a problem or stimulate a complaint.

[2:48:04] Voice 11: so it's it's kind of um just just uh they just continue with that use through the summer and

[2:48:10] Voice 11: and move on so

[2:48:12] Voice 6: i just did a quick search of the bioenforcement database and it looks like there

[2:48:17] Voice 6: were two files one of which the trustees are aware of of someone living in an rv um and then there

[2:48:24] Voice 6: was that multiple there was one with multiple rvs that were being rented as stvrs and that's

[2:48:29] Voice 6: that's been closed so it doesn't look like there's been a lot of complaints

[2:48:36] Voice 6: I

[2:48:36] Voice 10: don't think there is a point of complaint Robert what we have and what seems to be growing

[2:48:42] Voice 10: is we have had trailers and RVs parked on a lot for a number of years and the people come over

[2:48:51] Voice 10: and use it five six times a year and I don't have a problem with it but currently that's illegal

[2:48:56] Voice 10: legal and i have no idea of ensuring what they're doing with their sewage uh sure they can bring

[2:49:04] Voice 10: bottled water and i don't have a problem with that but as far as our sewage is concerned we

[2:49:08] Voice 10: have no idea where it's going we have we have a trailer that every uh one instance of someone

[2:49:14] Voice 10: living in a dilapidated virtually derelict house um that every time gets a complaint um from this

[2:49:23] Voice 10: about the CRD comes over and they say oh no we're living in the trailer and then he leaves and we

[2:49:30] Voice 10: call health and health says well I didn't see where the sewage was on the ground so you know

[2:49:39] Voice 10: I'm out of it there's nothing I'm going to do about it well the fact of the matter is we have

[2:49:43] Voice 10: no ability to ensure that that trailer that they keep moving into to escape CRD enforcement

[2:49:52] Voice 10: enforcement is piped into a septic system so how does that impact the adjacent properties

[2:49:59] Voice 10: groundwater how does that i mean it's just not acceptable so i'm that's my question that's why

[2:50:06] Voice 10: i want to try and get a handle on it to try and see if we can find a way to allow people to use

[2:50:13] Voice 10: trailers which is a completely reasonable uh form of temporary housing uh and use them in in the

[2:50:21] Voice 10: manner in which they were manufactured for but to ensure that they're there safely yep so like

[2:50:30] Voice 6: i said earlier the bylaw can be revised to to move the two years down to e and change the and to or

[2:50:38] Voice 4: and

[2:50:39] Voice 6: then to add additional provision somewhere that says a maximum of six or whatever days per

[2:50:46] Voice 6: year 60 90 whatever number you want to settle on so the bylaw yeah so the answer is the bylaw

[2:50:51] Voice 6: it could be revised to do that it's it's more of a discussion amongst the ltc about uh whether

[2:50:56] Voice 6: whether or not you want to do that but

[2:50:58] Voice 10: there's no way we can ensure that it'd be hooked up to

[2:51:00] Voice 10: the septic system well

[2:51:02] Voice 6: that would be on complaint right like

[2:51:04] Voice 10: okay okay well the complaints go

[2:51:11] Voice 10: nowhere well

[2:51:14] Voice 6: but if someone if someone had brought their and

[2:51:16] Voice 10: i found out we made the complaints and

[2:51:18] Voice 10: they go nowhere yeah

[2:51:19] Voice 6: and that's we just you guys went in camera and discussed that i think at the

[2:51:22] Voice 6: last meeting um but speaking

[2:51:24] Voice 6: generally um if there was just a trailer on the property

[2:51:31] Voice 6: and they didn't have a septic system and someone complained or it came to the attention

[2:51:37] Voice 6: uh bylaw enforcement through a referral from crd then uh the bylaw enforcement would enforce

[2:51:44] Voice 6: based on based on the provisions they wouldn't enforce okay you can live there 60 days or 90

[2:51:49] Voice 6: days that's fine but you have to have a septic system or septic disposal whatever it is septic

[2:51:54] Voice 6: disposal facilities yeah

[2:51:56] Trustee Patrick: i can salt springs again says in zones where dwelling units are permitted

[2:52:00] Trustee Patrick: one travel trailer or one recreational vehicle may be occupied as a camping unit because they

[2:52:06] Trustee Patrick: have a definition of camping unit on a lot for a maximum of 90 days in any year provided approved

[2:52:13] Trustee Patrick: sewage disposal facilities are provided that's the birding

[2:52:17] Voice 10: from salt spring that's what i'm looking

[2:52:18] Voice 10: looking for. Yeah, I

[2:52:20] Voice 7: like that one. I like to

[2:52:24] Voice 7: talk about a camping unit as well, which kind of

[2:52:27] Voice 7: differentiates it from an RV as a full-time temporary use of housing where your house is

[2:52:33] Voice 7: being built. So I think, right.

[2:52:35] Voice 6: So then yeah, revise the bylaw to include a clause that would

[2:52:40] Voice 6: say, occupy the recreational vehicles, a camping unit for a maximum of whatever number you pick

[2:52:46] Voice 6: days per year no more no more

[2:52:48] Voice 6: than or a maximum of x number of days per year okay as

[2:52:54] Trustee Patrick: long as it's a

[2:52:55] Trustee Patrick: provided approved sewage disposal facility yeah

[2:52:58] Voice 6: and all the other provisions would apply except

[2:53:00] Voice 6: the building permit one okay yeah

[2:53:03] Voice 10: all right and you want 60 or 90 days gal does it matter to you

[2:53:09] Voice 10: 60

[2:53:11] Voice 7: days seems like a fair bit well i don't know you know i for somebody to be there 60 days that

[2:53:22] Voice 7: means that they're there for two weeks over christmas they're there at spring break for

[2:53:28] Voice 7: another 10 days so that's uh what i don't know what 14 and so then now you're at 30

[2:53:35] Voice 7: probably 60 or 70 probably well

[2:53:38] Voice 10: let's leave it let's leave it at 60 and we'll see what people

[2:53:41] Voice 10: say at the public hearing yeah yeah

[2:53:43] Voice 10: all

[2:53:45] Trustee Patrick: right does someone want to make a motion on that or

[2:53:49] Trustee Patrick: did we we sort of had that motion before but what happened i guess so

[2:53:58] Voice 7: well i don't

[2:54:00] Voice 7: know this is a

[2:54:00] Voice 7: this is um you know and

[2:54:03] Trustee Patrick: limit recreational use of rvs to 60 days so that was oh except for

[2:54:07] Trustee Patrick: or forestry workers from may to september is what you had before so this would be a new motion yeah

[2:54:12] Trustee Patrick: i

[2:54:13] Voice 7: mean i think this is kind of getting complicated um but i would i mean maybe maybe maybe maybe

[2:54:19] Voice 7: robert and arisic can help us out here but i think the nub of what we're trying to say is

[2:54:23] Voice 7: that the like when i look at section 3.10 um that it should be amended as robert suggested in terms

[2:54:31] Voice 7: of where we move the building permit section dealing with the permit being issued and remaining

[2:54:35] Voice 7: in effect that should be adjusted as he suggested and then I would also as it relates to seasonal

[2:54:44] Voice 7: use I would add that we should or suggest that we should include a clause basically premised

[2:54:53] Voice 7: on the salt spring island clause referring to camping units and that would be applicable

[2:54:57] Voice 7: for 60 days for seasonal for seasonal use but it would contain the same clauses that your clause

[2:55:05] Voice 7: does on Salt Spring Island Chair Patrick relating to all the other conditions that are part and

[2:55:09] Voice 7: parcel of that being there I

[2:55:12] Voice 14: can help a little bit with this that would be fantastic if that's

[2:55:16] Voice 14: wording the motion so if we can just if I you can just let me know what section Robert was

[2:55:23] Voice 14: referring to when he said the news would be moved from the building code we can say that you're

[2:55:28] Voice 14: directing staff to amend bylaw 122 such that item whatever will be deleted or removed or moved to

[2:55:37] Voice 14: item whatever what was right

[2:55:38] Voice 6: so um yeah amend the bylaw so 121 121 so that a maximum of two years

[2:55:47] Voice 6: is moved to e and that a clause be inserted that would allow occupancy of an rv

[2:56:09] Voice 6: yeah

[2:56:10] Voice 14: i have your wording from before okay

[2:56:12] Voice 6: as a camping unit for a maximum of 60 days

[2:56:15] Voice 6: per calendar year and

[2:56:18] Voice 14: you're not designating um where those where that's going no we'll insert

[2:56:24] Voice 6: We'll insert it between E and D, so everything will get renumbered accordingly.

[2:56:36] Voice 7: But in that case, the way you're going to rejig it is in that case, there won't be a requirement on that seasonal use to have a building permit.

[2:56:47] Voice 6: That's correct.

[2:56:48] Voice 6: It'll have all the other requirements.

[2:56:49] Voice 6: So it'll be required to be sited.

[2:56:51] Voice 6: It'll be required to have domestic water.

[2:56:55] Voice 6: it'll be required to have sewage disposal facilities but it won't be required to have

[2:56:59] Voice 6: a building permit correct okay all

[2:57:03] Trustee Patrick: right shannon when you're ready you could

[2:57:04] Voice 14: read that back

[2:57:05] Voice 14: and robert you might i have the initial wording that you gave for the new clause so you can let

[2:57:12] Voice 14: me know if you want that changed south pender island local trust committee direct staff to

[2:57:16] Voice 14: amend bylaw 121 such that a maximum of two years quote unquote is moved to item e and that a clause

[2:57:24] Voice 14: be inserted that reads quote the use of recreational vehicles as a camping vehicle for a max

[2:57:31] Voice 14: or be limited to a maximum of 60 days per calendar year yep

[2:57:36] Voice 6: great a

[2:57:37] Trustee Patrick: camping vehicle or camping unit

[2:57:39] Trustee Patrick: camping

[2:57:40] Voice 6: unit yeah it's a camping unit all

[2:57:46] Trustee Patrick: right uh that motion was made by Cameron Thorne is that

[2:57:49] Trustee Patrick: that correct and is there a second seconded by trustee right is there any discussion call the

[2:58:01] Trustee Patrick: vote all those in favor carried sorry

[2:58:06] Voice 10: for dragging you through this nurse though

[2:58:08] Trustee Patrick: there's a series of

[2:58:11] Trustee Patrick: motions in on the top of 46 and it just has to say as amended i guess yeah

[2:58:16] Voice 4: yeah i moved that

[2:58:25] Voice 10: the south pender island local trust committee bylaw 121 cited the south pender island land

[2:58:29] Voice 10: use bylaw number 114 2016 amendment number one be read a first time as amended I

[2:58:37] Trustee Patrick: think the as

[2:58:38] Trustee Patrick: amended would come after okay 121 as amended okay cited as is that correct I'm just trying to get

[2:58:45] Trustee Patrick: it in the right place sure

[2:58:47] Voice 7: all

[2:58:47] Trustee Patrick: right is there a second second

[2:58:50] Voice 7: that thank

[2:58:51] Trustee Patrick: you uh any discussion

[2:58:53] Trustee Patrick: all the vote all those in favor carried there's a more vote more more motions there yep

[2:59:05] Voice 10: Okay, that the South Pender Island Local Trust Committee

[2:59:07] Voice 10: has reviewed the Islands Trust Policy Statement

[2:59:09] Voice 10: director's only checklist and determine the by-law 121

[2:59:13] Voice 10: cited the South Pender Island land use by-law

[2:59:15] Voice 10: number 114, 2016 amendment number 1, 2021

[2:59:19] Voice 10: is not contrary to or in variance

[2:59:21] Voice 10: with the Islands Trust Policy Statement.

[2:59:23] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second?

[2:59:25] Voice 10: Second.

[2:59:26] Trustee Patrick: Seconded by Trustee Thorne.

[2:59:27] Trustee Patrick: Any discussion?

[2:59:29] Trustee Patrick: Call the vote.

[2:59:30] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[2:59:31] Trustee Patrick: Carried.

[2:59:32] Trustee Patrick: that

[2:59:34] Voice 10: the South Bender Island local trust committee request staff to schedule a community information

[2:59:37] Voice 10: meeting for bylaw number 12 one-sided South Bender Island land use bylaw 114 2016 amendment

[2:59:43] Voice 10: number 1 2021 as part of the March 5th 2021 South Bender Island LTC meeting second second

[2:59:52] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Thorne is there any discussion I'll call the vote all those in favor carried

[2:59:58] Trustee Patrick: carried.

[3:00:00] Voice 10: At the South Pender Island Local Trust Committee

[3:00:01] Voice 10: request staff to schedule a public hearing

[3:00:03] Voice 10: for by-law 121 site to South Pender Island

[3:00:05] Voice 10: use by-law 114, 2016 amendment number 1, 2021

[3:00:09] Voice 10: as part of the March 5th, 2021 South Pender Island LTC

[3:00:12] Voice 10: meeting.

[3:00:13] Voice 10: Is there a second?

[3:00:14] Trustee Patrick: Second Trustee Thorne, any discussion?

[3:00:17] Trustee Patrick: Call the vote.

[3:00:18] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[3:00:19] Trustee Patrick: Carried.

[3:00:20] Trustee Patrick: Thank you, Marissa.

[3:00:22] Trustee Patrick: So you guys, do you want a five minute break

[3:00:24] Trustee Patrick: before we carry on with the remainder of the agenda

[3:00:27] Trustee Patrick: or how's everybody doing?

[3:00:31] Voice 10: Ask the planners.

[3:00:34] Voice 10: I'm okay.

[3:00:36] Voice 10: We're

[3:00:37] Trustee Patrick: getting thumbs up from everybody.

[3:00:38] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[3:00:39] Trustee Patrick: Happy to proceed.

[3:00:40] Trustee Patrick: I just don't want to be a slave driver if we need a break.

[3:00:44] Voice 10: Unless absolutely necessary.

[3:00:48] Trustee Patrick: All right, then.

[3:00:49] Trustee Patrick: Carrying on, we're at 14.1 in the agenda.

[3:00:53] Trustee Patrick: 14.1.1, top priorities report, page 56.

[3:00:57] Trustee Patrick: so

[3:00:58] Voice 6: these are the these are the top priorities that you've been you've actually dealt with all

[3:01:02] Voice 6: three today and different uh different aspects of it um and um two and three are moving towards

[3:01:14] Voice 6: a conclusion through a heroic effort today of uh getting it

[3:01:17] Voice 6: getting it to public hearing um and um

[3:01:20] Voice 6: i point out on schedule in terms of the the timeline and the project charter we're right

[3:01:26] Voice 6: on schedule. So this is the time for the LTC to look at the next page which is your projects list

[3:01:35] Voice 6: and try and identify those projects that are on that list or maybe something that's not on that

[3:01:43] Voice 6: list that you want to prioritize basically for the rest of the term and then think about how to

[3:01:55] Voice 6: to approach those priorities.

[3:01:57] Voice 6: To group them into one project.

[3:02:02] Voice 6: Trustee Wright and I had a discussion a few months ago

[3:02:04] Voice 6: about approach of doing an OCP amendment

[3:02:08] Voice 6: and looking at some OCP updates in one project

[3:02:12] Voice 6: and LUB updates in another,

[3:02:14] Voice 6: or another approach would be to group them by topic

[3:02:17] Voice 6: and to say two relatively manageable projects

[3:02:21] Voice 6: by different topics.

[3:02:22] Voice 6: And then the third element is what William William presented earlier, which is the groundwater project. And do you want to carry on with the considering implementation options for that project.

[3:02:36] Voice 6: Or set it aside for now, at least anyway.

[3:02:39] Voice 6: anyway. So if you did want to carry on with looking at implementation amendments for that

[3:02:46] Voice 6: project, that would move forward, at least initially, and along with North Pender and

[3:02:52] Voice 6: Galliano.

[3:02:55] Voice 10: Well, I absolutely think that we need to carry on with the groundwater and the work of

[3:03:00] Voice 10: William. Absolutely. I think, I think there's no point doing it if we're not intending to

[3:03:07] Voice 10: implemented so i

[3:03:10] Trustee Patrick: just uh just want to let you know as chair and what we started to do yesterday is

[3:03:14] Trustee Patrick: when before what i'd like to get into a position is before staff come to us with project charters

[3:03:19] Trustee Patrick: that we as the three elected have a good conversation about the project a political

[3:03:25] Trustee Patrick: conversation what are we what are we trying to do what are the benefits what do we expect the

[3:03:29] Trustee Patrick: outcome to be because i think it's really critical if we have that conversation then then we really

[3:03:35] Trustee Patrick: help staff set that you know we're giving them more the parameters and it's clearer and then we

[3:03:41] Trustee Patrick: have less you know you know indecisiveness ourselves because we were clear in setting out

[3:03:47] Trustee Patrick: the expectations of the project well

[3:03:52] Voice 10: i think the prior as far as the priority list and groundwater

[3:03:56] Voice 10: sustainability must must continue um the the second priority if we if we're going to move the stvr

[3:04:04] Voice 10: review project the alternative housing off the priority list then I think what Robert has

[3:04:09] Voice 10: suggested to use LUB review as an umbrella for a number of items that Cameron and I and

[3:04:18] Voice 10: have discussed at these meetings and also number three would be OCP amendments

[3:04:25] Voice 10: amendments that would that have also been discussed and I I think that's a great idea

[3:04:33] Voice 10: of getting together with with the three of us in the LTC to discuss the political ramifications

[3:04:40] Voice 10: of what we're doing and then closely following with a meeting with staff to give us their advice

[3:04:49] Voice 10: and and their capacity in order to fulfill our many wishes yeah

[3:04:56] Voice 6: so with the groundwater project

[3:04:58] Voice 6: as long as if the ltc is uh in concurrence with trustee right on that that would be

[3:05:03] Voice 6: with the resource that would be resourced through william and narissa um whereas the

[3:05:08] Voice 6: ocp and lub updates would be primarily kim with my assistance okay

[3:05:14] Voice 10: how's that cam well yeah um

[3:05:19] Voice 7: For sure. So in terms of the first three items on page 56, I concur. And I think that it would seem misguided if we've gone this far with William on the groundwater conversation and then pull up the stakes.

[3:05:44] Voice 7: so i would really like to i mean we you know the objective at the end of the day is obviously to

[3:05:49] Voice 7: help us make land use decisions and understand the carrying capacity and and those are important

[3:05:54] Voice 7: things and if this is key data to that then i i want to see this thing carry on yeah

[3:06:00] Trustee Patrick: i don't think

[3:06:00] Trustee Patrick: we have to have the in-depth you know we started yesterday with the north pender we didn't finish

[3:06:05] Trustee Patrick: it was it was really good because we had diverse expectations and so we're going to carry on in

[3:06:10] Trustee Patrick: in the next meeting of what were they really hoping

[3:06:14] Trustee Patrick: to get out of this project, the water project?

[3:06:18] Voice 7: Yeah, I mean, I think maybe one thing to that chair

[3:06:21] Voice 7: is that when William was giving his presentation

[3:06:25] Voice 7: and we talked about sort of next steps

[3:06:28] Voice 7: and if I heard him right, trying to understand

[3:06:30] Voice 7: how some of this can be connected to discussions

[3:06:35] Voice 7: discussions or decisions around land use resident regulations, I'm assuming that means carrying

[3:06:42] Voice 7: capacity, development potential. It would be nice to have maybe a more concise summary for the LTC

[3:06:51] Voice 7: saying, you know, this is what you can expect as part of this groundwater study. This would be

[3:06:58] Voice 7: the kind of deliverables that you would be receiving. And then there's less ambiguity

[3:07:05] Voice 7: But that's

[3:07:06] Trustee Patrick: I guess there will be a report coming in March and I guess William was next steps potentially outlined in that report or could it be

[3:07:18] Voice 6: Yeah, we do a report, William and I and Marissa would prepare a report like we've done for Galliano and North Pender, you could look at those

[3:07:25] Voice 6: on their on their yesterday's and monday's agendas with a project charter draft project

[3:07:31] Voice 6: charter attached so that would have the timeline is the key for key for yeah

[3:07:35] Trustee Patrick: i think what we're

[3:07:36] Trustee Patrick: looking at is that the conversation before the project charter becomes in front of us like what

[3:07:41] Trustee Patrick: are we hoping to get what are the potential deliverables yeah

[3:07:46] Voice 10: we can do that anytime soon i

[3:07:50] Voice 10: mean yeah

[3:07:52] Voice 8: and um if i were to jump in your chair that um there is going to be like a a final report

[3:07:58] Voice 8: from phase one and two for the LTC to consider.

[3:08:03] Voice 8: As well as I believe in the phase three,

[3:08:07] Voice 8: we will be matching elements of the phase one and two

[3:08:12] Voice 8: to certain like planning implementation,

[3:08:18] Voice 8: as well as like if we're working also on a,

[3:08:23] Voice 8: say a recharge protection plan

[3:08:27] Voice 8: or something like that on on Galliano that might be the place to refine that

[3:08:33] Voice 8: process and perhaps on on South Pender there's something else that the LTC was

[3:08:40] Voice 8: is more interested in doing at this time with respect to the groundwater and then

[3:08:46] Voice 8: then that's interesting too because then that can also inform the region if if

[3:08:51] Voice 8: something special comes out of the implementation of South Pender say even

[3:08:55] Voice 8: into you guys talked a lot about short-term vacation rentals and impact of of unregulated

[3:09:01] Voice 8: sewage and stuff like that um like some sort of element like that can can arise that can maybe

[3:09:08] Voice 8: benefit other ltcs too um but but i think for the data part of it like you you will have that

[3:09:14] Voice 8: that final report by the end of the at the end of the fiscal here so um and what i presented today

[3:09:21] Voice 8: and I can give a higher level summary to what Trustee Thorne was talking about

[3:09:28] Voice 8: to kind of generalize more of the topics because the report will be quite technical.

[3:09:34] Voice 8: So it's going to be the report will be presented but also I'm going to offer a staff report on

[3:09:39] Voice 8: there so I can give some more high level more educational type stuff about the methodology

[3:09:43] Voice 8: and what it means as well. Great thank you.

[3:09:47] Trustee Patrick: No because I like I mean I think that's

[3:09:49] Trustee Patrick: the opportunities we have here is if we have you know if one island is sort of narrowing in on

[3:09:54] Trustee Patrick: something that's of relevance to the other islands but they're really getting into the

[3:09:58] Trustee Patrick: the weeds on it and so we kind of have it more tailored to the immediate needs of the islands

[3:10:06] Trustee Patrick: but together they're creating pieces that can be readily shared great

[3:10:13] Voice 7: thank you so essentially i

[3:10:16] Voice 6: think the like it's sort of the options you'd ultimately be looking at in a few months would

[3:10:20] Voice 6: would be run the gamut from what's the zoning?

[3:10:24] Voice 6: What's the subdivision capacity

[3:10:26] Voice 6: or development capacity zoned on the islands?

[3:10:30] Voice 6: And how does that

[3:10:31] Voice 6: relate to the groundwater resource

[3:10:34] Voice 6: and sustainability at the kind of highest level?

[3:10:37] Voice 6: And then what are their measures that can be applied

[3:10:41] Voice 6: in certain areas like development permit areas, for example

[3:10:44] Voice 6: example um uh right down to then looking at the site level um things like cistern requirements

[3:10:52] Voice 6: for new construction and um your subdivision servicing regulations like what are the

[3:10:58] Voice 6: requirements that anyone doing a subdivision has to provide and is that up to date and current

[3:11:04] Voice 6: best practice and

[3:11:09] Trustee Patrick: so could we prepare to have a conversation of that nature in the is it march

[3:11:14] Trustee Patrick: is that the next March yeah it's

[3:11:16] Voice 6: not long it's like just over a month so February is a short

[3:11:19] Voice 6: month so yeah that

[3:11:20] Trustee Patrick: you know we can be prepared to have that conversation as trustees and get into

[3:11:23] Trustee Patrick: that sort of here's here's sort of the smorgasbord of uh of options and sort of where you know what

[3:11:30] Trustee Patrick: aligns with the with our with your needs most on South Pender and oh you're muted there Steve

[3:11:37] Trustee Patrick: Steve still muted Steve there you go it

[3:11:43] Voice 10: might be helpful if Cam and I just made a couple of notes

[3:11:46] Voice 10: and um sent them over to you chair so that uh you have some idea what's going on rattling around in

[3:11:51] Voice 10: our brains yeah

[3:11:52] Trustee Patrick: I think it should be a this is a chance to truly I think it's have a public

[3:11:56] Trustee Patrick: conversation we can get in the weeds talk to you know and because I think that's where staff

[3:11:59] Trustee Patrick: benefit from is hearing our you know have have that hash out um and then and then we um then

[3:12:07] Trustee Patrick: then it's clearer when we go forward and then we don't get surprised or we go,

[3:12:09] Trustee Patrick: Oh, I didn't want to go that way. I want to go this way.

[3:12:11] Trustee Patrick: So it helps us get this work done in your term rather than that's what I'm

[3:12:16] Trustee Patrick: trying to help too.

[3:12:18] Voice 10: Okay.

[3:12:20] Voice 6: And would it help if we prepared some, something for that meeting?

[3:12:25] Trustee Patrick: I think I heard Cameron say, you know, deliverable options, you know,

[3:12:29] Trustee Patrick: like what are some of the potential deliverables? Is that what I heard?

[3:12:32] Trustee Patrick: Cameron?

[3:12:32] Voice 7: Yeah. I mean, just, yeah. So I can precisely.

[3:12:39] Voice 7: Sounds good.

[3:12:44] Trustee Patrick: that's great on

[3:12:48] Voice 7: the um to the chair um just you know steve was talking about some of the other

[3:12:56] Voice 7: items i guess on page 57 and there's a you know there's a smorgasbord of things here and there's

[3:13:01] Voice 7: some other items that are um you know that that we've been talking about recently as well of

[3:13:07] Voice 7: course through these special meetings and then there's some other items that i think we're going

[3:13:12] Voice 7: going to talk about. I'm going to just pause and wonder, are you suggesting that maybe we

[3:13:17] Voice 7: have a conversation before we start getting to the weeds about what's on this priority list,

[3:13:22] Voice 7: that we have a general conversation about the intent of these things on the list first? Is

[3:13:27] Voice 7: that where we're going now?

[3:13:30] Trustee Patrick: We don't, yeah, not today, but when we're narrowing in, when we think,

[3:13:33] Trustee Patrick: okay, we want to proceed with steel storage containers, that we have a conversation really

[3:13:39] Trustee Patrick: about what are our expectations what are we trying to do you know and have that that conversation as

[3:13:44] Trustee Patrick: a conversation not to a piece of paper and then um because i'm finding that helped me we just did

[3:13:52] Trustee Patrick: this on salt spring it was very liberating when we kind of had this is the political goal posts

[3:13:57] Trustee Patrick: we set that in the ground and then staff's project charter got more into the the details that it kind

[3:14:04] Trustee Patrick: of allowed us to sort of separate from that because we're focusing on the goal post where

[3:14:07] Trustee Patrick: where are we trying to go? And to me, it helped dramatically.

[3:14:13] Voice 10: Yeah, I'm sure it did.

[3:14:16] Voice 7: Yeah, that's fine. So if I'm hearing you're right, then we're not going to start to talk

[3:14:20] Voice 7: about these items now. We'll just, we'll set aside another time to talk about the broader

[3:14:25] Voice 7: landscape.

[3:14:26] Trustee Patrick: Yeah. And I think that's, I'm trying to, if we can have that mindset and be thinking

[3:14:30] Trustee Patrick: ourselves and preparing for the next meeting, then we can have that, be prepared for those

[3:14:36] Trustee Patrick: those conversations

[3:14:36] Voice 7: would that mean then on the march 5th meeting that one of the things that we

[3:14:41] Voice 7: would talk about is the rationale for what's on the list and why it's on the list and what's our

[3:14:46] Voice 7: thinking behind that and if and if that's the case um and there's certainly some priority items that

[3:14:52] Voice 7: we've been talking about for a while and of course one of them is is just uh you know we've had these

[3:14:57] Voice 7: special meetings going on since september um some of them that have included north pender on on you

[3:15:04] Voice 7: you know, house size setbacks, protection of rural character, would that be stuff that if we,

[3:15:09] Voice 7: it's certainly important stuff to me, but if we wait till March to sort of articulate our

[3:15:13] Voice 7: thoughts on that, are we going to be writing the clock down in terms of being able to

[3:15:17] Voice 7: make meaningful progress on that item?

[3:15:22] Trustee Patrick: Well, I think, so I think I just heard

[3:15:27] Trustee Patrick: Robert be able to say, well, we can either clump an LUB work or we clump an OCP work,

[3:15:32] Trustee Patrick: so we can group some things okay so

[3:15:34] Trustee Patrick: let's say it's lub that we have so if we were able to give

[3:15:38] Trustee Patrick: that explicit direction so just saying lub review that was maybe all of these things we narrowed it

[3:15:43] Trustee Patrick: down to like those examples that you just gave and we were very explicit and we are looking for

[3:15:48] Trustee Patrick: lub reviews that will achieve these things that will help us be quicker than having this lub

[3:15:56] Trustee Patrick: review that's way out here so we're saying we're in here and we're clear i'm

[3:16:02] Voice 7: i'm good i'm good with

[3:16:03] Voice 7: that so

[3:16:04] Voice 6: maybe sort of in the meantime in preparation for next meeting we can just

[3:16:07] Voice 6: kind of reorganize this list into two topic areas one ocp amendments one lub amendments

[3:16:13] Voice 6: and start creating a list under each and that'll be on your next agenda so that'll and if you have

[3:16:20] Voice 6: something that's not on this list um send it to us and we'll add it and then that that'll be the

[3:16:25] Voice 6: starting point for your for your discussion and uh yeah what what's doable is a is uh lub

[3:16:35] Voice 6: amendments ocp amendments what you don't want to get into is an ocp review or an lub review

[3:16:42] Voice 6: because you remember last term and the term before was a three-year process

[3:16:48] Voice 10: yeah and you don't want us to have to run for re-election to finish it

[3:16:53] Voice 6: that's that's up to you

[3:16:56] Trustee Patrick: no it it's i can just share with you it's been on salt spring it was uh it started off we had

[3:17:02] Trustee Patrick: like the coastal douglas fir which like was big and um and the group there started to narrow in

[3:17:08] Trustee Patrick: on watersheds of the coastal douglas fir being the most important and then we had swipa which

[3:17:13] Trustee Patrick: had the watershed mandate so it'll it's it's working to align itself with the coastal douglas

[3:17:18] Trustee Patrick: fir so now we have you know this alignment and then when we say oh the luv now we're saying oh

[3:17:23] Trustee Patrick: we're looking at how we work within that alignment as well so it's coastal douglas for in watersheds

[3:17:29] Trustee Patrick: and what we're doing in there and it it helps to focus i

[3:17:34] Voice 6: like it yeah i think they maybe think of

[3:17:38] Voice 6: it as like a mini strategic planning session for the ltc

[3:17:47] Trustee Patrick: okay any further conversations on priorities or project list at this time well so we'll

[3:17:52] Trustee Patrick: We'll expect to see some rearrangement.

[3:17:54] Trustee Patrick: You'll add your ideas to staff

[3:17:56] Trustee Patrick: if you have something you think should be added

[3:17:58] Trustee Patrick: and we'll have those become prepared

[3:18:00] Trustee Patrick: for those conversations in March.

[3:18:02] Trustee Patrick: Be back.

[3:18:04] Trustee Patrick: Great.

[3:18:05] Trustee Patrick: Okay, then there's, you have no applications.

[3:18:08] Trustee Patrick: I'm sending-

[3:18:09] Planner Stockdill: Sorry, if I made it quickly,

[3:18:11] Planner Stockdill: I just wanted to ask Trustee Wright

[3:18:13] Planner Stockdill: if you'd like to add,

[3:18:15] Planner Stockdill: you sent me that email about agriculture

[3:18:17] Planner Stockdill: and potentially sounds like maybe a home plate idea

[3:18:21] Planner Stockdill: or regulations about floor area area that should be added to your the projects list

[3:18:26] Voice 10: well yeah i'll i'll uh give you an outline of that when we uh revise our our uh project list okay

[3:18:34] Voice 10: and then we i won't take up your time with it today yeah

[3:18:37] Trustee Patrick: i think if you could share your ideas

[3:18:38] Trustee Patrick: with staff as they rearrange oh

[3:18:40] Voice 10: absolutely yeah

[3:18:41] Trustee Patrick: then it'll be a complete picture for march thank

[3:18:45] Trustee Patrick: you okay any further than so we'll move on i guess like so there's no applications not fair

[3:18:52] Trustee Patrick: the trustee report for expenses from october so that's getting a little old but it's there

[3:18:57] Trustee Patrick: standing resolutions if there's any changes at this point i guess i'm not seeing any we have

[3:19:04] Trustee Patrick: the conservancy report is here and then there's the forest campaign outreach materials that

[3:19:11] Trustee Patrick: are here and i should also note that the coastal douglas fir project that is proceeding on salt

[3:19:18] Trustee Patrick: Salt Spring is producing a whole bunch more material and we intend to share that material

[3:19:24] Trustee Patrick: as well. So I'd say, you know, while it was Salt Spring, it's very relevant to, it's getting into

[3:19:29] Trustee Patrick: what good stewardship looks like around your house in a forest. And it'll be very useful.

[3:19:38] Trustee Patrick: And then there's the new business item, 15.1. That's my fault. I know it's got Peter Luckum's

[3:19:46] Trustee Patrick: name on there but that's me I'm the one that pushed it at the Salt Spring the idea here was

[3:19:53] Trustee Patrick: just where almost every island is talking about short-term vacation rental where it's either

[3:19:58] Trustee Patrick: planned or it is not allowed like on Salt Spring and I think Galeano was moving in that direction

[3:20:08] Trustee Patrick: but I thought we should have a conversation as a group of islands because there's there

[3:20:12] Trustee Patrick: there is business licenses, there's also the power of Airbnb listening to a region instead of

[3:20:20] Trustee Patrick: individual island. And so I just, what's happened on Maine and North Pender both chose just to the

[3:20:26] Trustee Patrick: item number two there to appoint one person to come to a meeting.

[3:20:30] Voice 10: Yeah, I think that's reasonable.

[3:20:33] Voice 10: And Cam and I can flip a coin.

[3:20:37] Trustee Patrick: Do we need a resolution staff to, I guess, appoint one person?

[3:20:40] Trustee Patrick: you

[3:20:40] Voice 6: should yeah or by consent

[3:20:41] Trustee Patrick: you're gonna have to flip a coin now yeah or through general

[3:20:44] Trustee Patrick: yeah we can do that through um general consent okay point one person sure

[3:20:50] Voice 4: who

[3:20:51] Trustee Patrick: wants to be

[3:20:51] Trustee Patrick: appointed i

[3:20:53] Voice 10: have a feeling giving uh given somebody's work schedule that uh being a

[3:20:58] Voice 10: retired guy i'm gonna get i'm gonna get volunteered oh

[3:21:03] Trustee Patrick: well can we uh any objection

[3:21:05] Voice 10: to that trustee

[3:21:08] Voice 10: through general

[3:21:09] Trustee Patrick: consent can we appoint uh steve wright to uh uh attend a meeting yet to be

[3:21:14] Trustee Patrick: scheduled on the topic of short-term vacation rentals as a region yes

[3:21:19] Voice 10: we can that's fantastic

[3:21:21] Trustee Patrick: thank you um and we have 15.2 is the rights of nature that you brought forward steve so go ahead

[3:21:31] Trustee Patrick: yeah

[3:21:32] Voice 10: um this um i i think what i can do is i can send it out to you to save some time

[3:21:39] Voice 10: and what i'll do is i'll add it to uh our list but essentially what i'm suggesting is that because

[3:21:46] Voice 10: the rights of nature recognizes the impact by humans is caused primarily by our attitude

[3:21:53] Voice 10: towards nature which views nature as an object of property rather than a myriad of life forms

[3:21:59] Voice 10: if we recognize the importance of sustainable then we also need to recognize limiting our use

[3:22:04] Voice 10: and impacts to nature if we're going to try and maintain the balance and the ecosystems in which

[3:22:09] Voice 10: we which we share with with all forms of life humans are all ultimately connected to nature

[3:22:17] Voice 10: our present and our future generations will only be sustained when the environment is respected

[3:22:23] Voice 10: and healthy and I would like to also recognize that the only group that was sustainable in this

[3:22:32] Voice 10: area were First Nations who since time so-called immemorial understood their connection to and

[3:22:40] Voice 10: responsibility for the sustainability of land, waters and all other species which ensured their

[3:22:46] Voice 10: survival through the millennia that they occupied this area. So what I would like to do is I'd like

[3:22:52] Voice 10: to propose that the South Bender Island Official Community Plan recognize the

[3:22:57] Voice 10: rights of nature with all within an overall framework of sustainable

[3:23:00] Voice 10: development in conjunction with other agencies and with the involvement and

[3:23:05] Voice 10: participation of property owners and there is a list which I will not go

[3:23:09] Voice 10: through but that's the general impetus of my suggestion and proposal and I'll

[3:23:16] Voice 10: I'll flush that out as we move forward.

[3:23:22] Voice 13: I

[3:23:23] Voice 10: just wanted to know if there's any objections

[3:23:25] Voice 10: or any issues with that.

[3:23:27] Trustee Patrick: Well, I assume there's also that request

[3:23:29] Trustee Patrick: from the Trust Programs Committee

[3:23:34] Trustee Patrick: regarding policy statement suggestions from trustees.

[3:23:38] Trustee Patrick: I think Deb sent out a reminder email that's due this weekend

[3:23:43] Trustee Patrick: so trustees had that time to submit.

[3:23:46] Voice 10: Oh, I'm happy to hear that, yeah.

[3:23:52] Voice 10: Mayor Mrakas, And that's it right

[3:23:56] Trustee Patrick: so you're all right with that will carry on that conversation then yep Okay, any other Oh, we had to make that electronic meeting now maple you said there was a correction or something there sorry I just noted, as a small.

[3:24:09] Voice 1: Mayor Mrakas,

[3:24:09] Voice 1: Apologies yeah just to say South pender.

[3:24:12] Trustee Patrick: Mayor Mrakas, Whoever reads and make that correction.

[3:24:16] Trustee Patrick: Mayor Mrakas, So we need to have that motion read 16.1 on the agenda.

[3:24:25] Voice 10: Mayor Mrakas, you're there cam.

[3:24:26] Voice 10: Yeah, I'm there. Do you want to do it?

[3:24:31] Voice 7: Where is 16.1? Which page?

[3:24:33] Trustee Patrick: I can make it if you want. It's

[3:24:35] Trustee Patrick: right in the agenda package. So it's page

[3:24:36] Trustee Patrick: three of

[3:24:38] Voice 7: the agenda package. Sorry. Okay. Sorry. I'll

[3:24:45] Voice 7: read it. Yeah. 16.1. Then in order to meet the principles of openness, transparency, and

[3:24:51] Voice 7: accessibility, meetings of the South Pender Island Local Trust Committee will be held electronically

[3:24:57] Voice 7: chronically until ministerial orders under the emergency program act and requirements or

[3:25:02] Voice 7: recommendations under the public health act change regarding public attendance at trust body meetings

[3:25:08] Voice 7: and that such meetings be live streamed and the public invited to participate in meetings by

[3:25:13] Voice 7: connecting to the link or phone number provided by the meeting notice in order to observe proceedings

[3:25:18] Voice 7: and speak when invited by the chair is

[3:25:21] Trustee Patrick: there a second yes

[3:25:23] Voice 7: second

[3:25:24] Trustee Patrick: trustee right is there any

[3:25:25] Trustee Patrick: any discussion I'll call the vote all those in favor and that's carried so the next meeting is

[3:25:32] Trustee Patrick: March 5th it's going to be a busy one and we have a second town hall let me just open up my

[3:25:39] Trustee Patrick: thing here I think we have is there anyone that wishes to address us in this second town hall

[3:25:46] Trustee Patrick: today we do not rework decisions we made today but always happy to hear people reminder anyone

[3:25:56] Trustee Patrick: anyone that is still listening to the meeting

[3:25:57] Trustee Patrick: that we want to hear from you, please email us

[3:26:01] Trustee Patrick: and southinfo at islandstrust.bc.ca is a good way

[3:26:05] Trustee Patrick: to make sure all of us hear you

[3:26:07] Trustee Patrick: and you can go on the record.

[3:26:10] Voice 10: And chair, may I ask if there was any suggestion

[3:26:15] Voice 10: or request from North Bender Island trustees yesterday

[3:26:18] Voice 10: to hold a third community or town hall

[3:26:24] Voice 10: with South Bender Island trustees?

[3:26:29] Trustee Patrick: I don't remember.

[3:26:30] Trustee Patrick: We had a very long meeting.

[3:26:31] Trustee Patrick: We were pretty tired by the end of it.

[3:26:33] Voice 10: All right.

[3:26:34] Voice 10: I don't know.

[3:26:34] Voice 10: I don't think they did.

[3:26:35] Voice 10: Okay.

[3:26:36] Voice 10: I'll get in touch with them.

[3:26:38] Voice 10: Thank you.

[3:26:39] Voice 6: All right.

[3:26:40] Voice 6: And just one request to trustees, if you've got correspondence, particularly on that STVR

[3:26:45] Voice 6: review that Jane Perch brought up, we don't seem to have, I don't have it in my email,

[3:26:52] Voice 6: so you could forward it, forward that.

[3:26:55] Voice 10: I will forward it to you.

[3:26:56] Voice 10: It

[3:26:56] Voice 6: may have just gone to the trustees.

[3:26:58] Voice 6: Yeah.

[3:27:01] Voice 10: Okay,

[3:27:01] Trustee Patrick: please do. All right, I need a motion to adjourn. So moved.

[3:27:07] Trustee Patrick: And a seconded by Trustee

[3:27:09] Trustee Patrick: Thorne. Then I guess all those in favor? Carried. We are adjourned. Thank you, everyone.

[3:27:16] Voice 10: It's a lot

[3:27:17] Voice 10: of a

[3:27:17] Trustee Patrick: lot of work. Good, good discussions today. Thanks

[3:27:20] Voice 10: a lot, everybody. Thanks,

[3:27:21] Voice 10: Maple. Thanks,

[3:27:22] Voice 10: Sharon. You're welcome.

[3:27:23] Voice 10: Thank you. Yeah, thanks, William. Bye-bye.