Gambier Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, February 1, 2021

[0:00:00] Trustee Luckham: Will, good morning everyone. This is the Liskety Island Local Trust Committee meeting for February

[0:00:09] Trustee Luckham: the 1st, 2021. The year is obviously well underway. I want to acknowledge that we're

[0:00:18] Trustee Luckham: once again meeting across Coast Salish Territory here on Thetis Island where I am elected in the

[0:00:27] Trustee Luckham: the Penelaket and Lackson Territories. And of course, my name is Peter Luckow and I'm

[0:00:32] Trustee Luckham: the chair of the Mesquite Island Local Trust Committee. I'm joined today by Peter Johnson

[0:00:38] Trustee Luckham: and Trustee Peterson and Director Fall, all in Tlayaman Territory up there in Mesquite

[0:00:46] Trustee Luckham: Island. And we're also joined by our recorder, Dave Olson, Regional Planning Manager Heather

[0:00:55] Trustee Luckham: car and Will Cottingham is looking after our technology this morning. So we are

[0:01:05] Trustee Luckham: grateful to be able to meet electronically. We're certainly

[0:01:09] Trustee Luckham: continuing to learn as we go and wanting to be sure to provide opportunities for

[0:01:15] Trustee Luckham: the public to have access so we're gonna go as slow as possible to allow those

[0:01:20] Trustee Luckham: that wish to interact with us today during the town hall to have that

[0:01:23] Trustee Luckham: opportunity would remind you that if you want to participate i.e speak to the local trust committee

[0:01:29] Trustee Luckham: today you do need to be on the electronic connection version of the software which

[0:01:34] Trustee Luckham: is a link on the website as opposed to the live streaming the live streaming component

[0:01:40] Trustee Luckham: doesn't allow for participation and i'll bring that up again a little later as we get well we're

[0:01:48] Trustee Luckham: actually going to be on that fairly quickly here because we do town hall at the beginning of the

[0:01:52] Trustee Luckham: meeting so just to give you an opportunity to consider changing the mode of connection that

[0:01:58] Trustee Luckham: you have if you're live streaming you don't have the opportunity to address the LTC you need to

[0:02:03] Trustee Luckham: come in on the electronic meetings link on the agenda page of the website so thank you for that

[0:02:11] Trustee Luckham: though there may or may not be issues with the technology and just ask for your patience if

[0:02:16] Trustee Luckham: if you're having trouble with video or audio as we go through the meeting i will likely move on

[0:02:22] Trustee Luckham: to another person but i will make every effort to come back to you and um and um and indeed raise

[0:02:28] Trustee Luckham: your hand electronically there's a hand at the bottom of your screen if you're coming in on a

[0:02:33] Trustee Luckham: computer if you're on a phone it's um star nine to raise your hand and i will be watching that

[0:02:40] Trustee Luckham: participants at the moment just be confident there's two folks there Brenda

[0:02:46] Trustee Luckham: and Gail so thank you for joining us in the electronic portion I just ask

[0:02:53] Trustee Luckham: everybody during the town hall to be respectful of staff trustees and your

[0:02:58] Trustee Luckham: friends and neighbors out there this is a public meeting and it is expected that

[0:03:02] Trustee Luckham: we would hold the highest degree of respect in the community and conduct

[0:03:08] Trustee Luckham: ourselves accordingly. I think that covers off the preamble and we're just

[0:03:15] Trustee Luckham: going to move on to looking at our agenda. So I'm going to call the

[0:03:21] Trustee Luckham: meeting to order and I'm going to ask our trustees and staff if there's any

[0:03:26] Trustee Luckham: additional items for today's agenda. I do believe there might be one or two. So

[0:03:30] Trustee Luckham: trustees, do you have anything for us today to add to the agenda?

[0:03:35] Voice 10: I do. I was

[0:03:37] Voice 10: just going to uh go ahead tim so

[0:03:42] Trustee Luckham: how about we how about we go with peter johnson and then we'll go

[0:03:44] Trustee Luckham: with uh trustee peterson okay

[0:03:47] Voice 10: i don't have an item to add i attended the gabriola trust

[0:03:53] Voice 10: committee meeting a couple of months ago and they did their reports before the town hall

[0:04:00] Voice 10: and that gave people a chance to to have some local new information and i thought that that

[0:04:06] Voice 10: that was rather good uh and i'd like to suggest that we think about switching the reports to just

[0:04:13] Voice 10: before at least the reports from the chair or trustees and the regional director before the

[0:04:18] Voice 10: town hall well

[0:04:22] Trustee Luckham: that's um that's a very good proposition because indeed i think that that

[0:04:28] Trustee Luckham: is the practice in most other ltcs i do believe this lt chose to have town hall as the very first

[0:04:34] Trustee Luckham: item so we can change this again if we wish so if that's a there's general

[0:04:42] Trustee Luckham: consent here today I will switch up the reporting prior to the town hall if

[0:04:48] Trustee Luckham: staff or trustees and the electoral area director are ready for that so do I have

[0:04:57] Trustee Luckham: any dissent on that idea and then we can consider when we get to next meetings

[0:05:02] Trustee Luckham: whether or not that's what we want to adopt as an ongoing uh process so is there anything else

[0:05:08] Trustee Luckham: tim peterson did you have something to add uh

[0:05:13] Voice 8: yeah chair i just put a um an email out to the

[0:05:16] Voice 8: local trust committee and it was just about this uh making sure that we give plenty of time and

[0:05:20] Voice 8: slow things down explain well for town hall okay

[0:05:24] Trustee Luckham: but no new line items to the agenda okay so then

[0:05:30] Trustee Luckham: let us proceed. And so thank you very much for that message. So the first thing that I need

[0:05:39] Trustee Luckham: is a resolution here to continue to hold electronic meetings. And this is a legislative

[0:05:45] Trustee Luckham: requirement for us during this emergency program under the ministerial orders under the Emergency

[0:05:52] Trustee Luckham: Program Act that we are required to do. So I'll ask one of the trustees to make the motion,

[0:05:57] Trustee Luckham: the other to second and we'll vote on it

[0:05:59] Voice 10: i'm happy to make the motion would you like me to read it

[0:06:03] Voice 10: please uh resolution to continue to hold electronic meetings that in order to meet

[0:06:08] Voice 10: the principles of openness transparency and accessibility meetings of the luskiniana local

[0:06:14] Voice 10: trust committee will be held electronically until ministerial orders under the emergency program act

[0:06:20] Voice 10: and requirements or recommendations under the public health act change regarding public

[0:06:25] Voice 10: attendance at trust body meetings and that such meetings be live streamed and

[0:06:30] Voice 10: the public invited to participate in meetings by connecting to the link or

[0:06:33] Voice 10: the phone number provided in the meeting notice in order to observe proceedings

[0:06:38] Voice 10: and to speak when invited by the chair move

[0:06:44] Trustee Luckham: to have a second that Tim Peterson

[0:06:47] Trustee Luckham: thank you very much and so I'll just simply call about all those in favor

[0:06:51] Voice 9: aye all

[0:06:53] Trustee Luckham: right and any opposed none opposed so that carries so at the request of the trustees

[0:07:03] Trustee Luckham: we're going to advance reports prior to town hall and then we'll come into town hall and indeed

[0:07:10] Trustee Luckham: let's consider what this agenda looks like at the end of today's meeting because in terms of

[0:07:16] Trustee Luckham: were reporting out as practiced in other ltcs there may you may also want to desire having

[0:07:23] Trustee Luckham: business spot arising from the minutes so that folks know what we've done and that sort of thing

[0:07:28] Trustee Luckham: but i'm not going to belabor that at the moment so trustee report let's begin with one of the

[0:07:33] Trustee Luckham: trustees who wants to go first

[0:07:34] Voice 10: i'm i will i'm happy to go ahead after the last meeting i had

[0:07:44] Voice 10: one email, actually during the meeting, I didn't read it until the last meeting ended, and I had

[0:07:50] Voice 10: one conversation later with people who were attending the meeting who wished to speak but

[0:07:55] Voice 10: weren't able to, couldn't locate the raise hand function. And so that's known now, and we'll go

[0:08:04] Voice 10: slowly and work people through it. The Liskety Archaeology Project had a meeting by Zoom on

[0:08:12] Voice 10: on Friday. I haven't had a chance to read the notes which arrived late last night. I think

[0:08:17] Voice 10: there were seven nations represented. It was just over an hour meeting in which the 13, I think,

[0:08:25] Voice 10: 14 participants introduced each other, introduced themselves to the group. There are two, three

[0:08:35] Voice 10: Three LISC-ED participants, Dana Lepofsky, one of the organizers, myself, and Farron,

[0:08:41] Voice 10: I can't remember Farron's last name, who has been hired on as Dana's assistant and factotum

[0:08:48] Voice 10: and whatnot.

[0:08:50] Voice 10: It looks very promising.

[0:08:51] Voice 10: People seem quite excited.

[0:08:54] Voice 10: The next meeting in a month or so will also be by Zoom.

[0:08:57] Voice 10: And hopefully in the spring and summer or sometime before long, we can actually get

[0:09:02] Voice 10: together here on LISC-ED.

[0:09:04] Voice 10: And all of the nations that were there, which includes Campbell River area, the Comox, Qualicum, Pla-Ammon, I can't think who else was there, are really excited to get to know Leskete a little bit more and to talk archaeology and heritage.

[0:09:22] Voice 10: heritage. The next thing is a project that Andrew, Director Foale, will talk about too,

[0:09:33] Voice 10: I hope, a little bit. This is just an idea that we've had. The QRD is having a shoreline

[0:09:40] Voice 10: low elevation, I don't know how to say it, contour mapping to a very high scale, low

[0:09:48] Voice 10: scale to show in preparation for sea level rise what effects they will have.

[0:09:55] Voice 10: And as part of that, and concurrent with that, Andrew and I would like to organize the community

[0:10:01] Voice 10: into exploring and possibly mapping the seashore, the shoreline around the island and the surrounding

[0:10:10] Voice 10: islands.

[0:10:10] Voice 10: This would be a long-time project with, excuse me, a number of aims, one of which would be locate places where public access would be desirable, locate places where a small public dock would be possible and desirable, locate special places, whether they be sensitive or dangerous or a great place to picnic.

[0:10:35] Voice 10: ethnic, to locate where we might request that public access through private land above be

[0:10:47] Voice 10: designated in the event that land is subdivided, and any number of other things, just interesting

[0:10:54] Voice 10: things on the island, and get the community to know the shoreline, especially in their

[0:10:59] Voice 10: area but right around the islands and to see what we find and what we can record

[0:11:04] Voice 10: the last thing is you probably have noticed the flurry of emails about our proposed OCP

[0:11:14] Voice 10: most of which are based around sheep and sheep's a very important issue to the community I do I

[0:11:21] Voice 10: think it's not a major issue on the OCP and I'm really encouraging people to read other parts of

[0:11:29] Voice 10: it too and have other other input into other things and that's all i can think of right now

[0:11:37] Voice 10: so thank you hello peter your picture is frozen are you there can anyone hear me i

[0:12:00] Voice 8: can hear you

[0:12:00] Voice 8: i think i think the chair might be having trouble yeah

[0:12:05] Voice 6: i can hear you as well the chair did mention

[0:12:07] Voice 6: before that he was um having some difficulty with his internet connection so hopefully he'll be able

[0:12:14] Voice 6: able to go on and off and if we can give him a moment or two maybe see what happens welcome back

[0:12:54] Voice 10: i

[0:12:55] Trustee Luckham: seem to have come back and i see that tim peterson is also animated there now yeah and

[0:13:00] Voice 10: you're you've moved outdoors tim

[0:13:04] Trustee Luckham: have you made your report already or would you like to begin

[0:13:06] Trustee Luckham: now uh no wait we're just

[0:13:09] Voice 8: waiting for you to come back um so i don't have an awful lot to report

[0:13:14] Voice 8: very interesting to hear about the the archaeology and First Nations outreach there. Peter, thank you for that.

[0:13:22] Voice 8: I would say I'd agree that there's been a lot of received a lot of calls and emails and seen a lot about the the sheep online.

[0:13:34] Voice 8: online and so I'm sure we'll be talking about that a little bit more later on other than

[0:13:43] Voice 8: that of course we haven't had a local trust committee meeting since October so not an

[0:13:49] Voice 8: awful lot to report and that's it for me okay

[0:13:56] Trustee Luckham: thank you Tim so yeah from my perspective

[0:14:00] Trustee Luckham: certainly there's been quite a bit of activity between the last LTC meeting

[0:14:06] Trustee Luckham: and now certainly council happened in December and you can see what transpired

[0:14:17] Trustee Luckham: at that council meeting in terms of highlights on the website at this point

[0:14:23] Trustee Luckham: We have essentially reviewed the initial draft of the budget and we are now in a budget consultation phase.

[0:14:33] Trustee Luckham: There was a survey that went out just recently, as well as continuing on with the policy statement work, which has been ongoing for a couple of years now.

[0:14:43] Trustee Luckham: now, and we're into a second stage of consultation with the community, reflecting on some of

[0:14:52] Trustee Luckham: the things that we've learned and seeking more input, and that work will continue. One

[0:14:58] Trustee Luckham: of the main decisions, one of the big decisions at Trust Council was to seek an external review

[0:15:08] Trustee Luckham: view of how it is that we govern and manage our planning services and so that is something

[0:15:16] Trustee Luckham: ongoing and there'll be a report that will come to us with hopefully some recommendations

[0:15:22] Trustee Luckham: about how we might improve upon the delivery of the preserve and protect mandate.

[0:15:28] Trustee Luckham: Just want to note that as time marches on here during this pandemic situation, the pandemic

[0:15:37] Trustee Luckham: is certainly much more active than what it was at this time last year and and is

[0:15:45] Trustee Luckham: affecting many communities including many of our First Nations friends and

[0:15:49] Trustee Luckham: neighbors and just remind everybody to practice all of those the advice from

[0:15:58] Trustee Luckham: Dr. Henry and the province with respect to personal protection and protecting

[0:16:04] Trustee Luckham: your friends and family it the pandemic is on some of the islands and as I think

[0:16:11] Trustee Luckham: all of you know so be careful out there and be safe and be kind to use those

[0:16:16] Trustee Luckham: famous words of our very own dr. Henry um so that's it from me let us go to

[0:16:25] Trustee Luckham: electoral area director director fall Andrew good morning and over to you

[0:16:31] Trustee Luckham: Good

[0:16:32] Voice 1: morning. Thank you, Chair. I'd just like to mention, I have a few things to bring up. In

[0:16:37] Voice 1: December, it was nice to have the joint meeting between the Islands Trust and the QRD, which

[0:16:43] Voice 1: seems set to become a more regular annual event. There are clearly some areas where the Islands

[0:16:49] Voice 1: Trust and QRD can cooperate to improve certain services and land use, and I think it's a very

[0:16:56] Voice 1: very good thing to hold. The QRD is in the midst of its budget discussions, as Island Trust is,

[0:17:04] Voice 1: and closing in on a finalized budget for the end of March. I am planning to hold a

[0:17:10] Voice 1: virtual town hall on February the 16th at 7 p.m. via Zoom to discuss the budget and other

[0:17:18] Voice 1: regional issues with interested people. Anyone wanting to attend should email me so I can

[0:17:23] Voice 1: forward the meeting link and i would certainly invite both of our local trustees i'll end the

[0:17:27] Voice 1: chair if he wants but uh wouldn't expect but the um you know the trustees are certainly welcome

[0:17:32] Voice 1: uh the third item is was mentioned by uh trustee johnson the the qrd is undertaking

[0:17:38] Voice 1: coastal flood risk mapping on texas on the islands so texada liskiti savory they had already done

[0:17:46] Voice 1: a year or two ago uh coastal flood risk mapping on the mainland and then received funding for

[0:17:52] Voice 1: the rest of the regional district and this led to discussions between trustee johnson and myself

[0:17:58] Voice 1: about the idea of having a developing over time a consolidated community shoreline values map

[0:18:04] Voice 1: is one way to call it we're bringing together some of the mapping attributes that are that are already

[0:18:11] Voice 1: available in different places but through a community filter so if the community over time

[0:18:18] Voice 1: could identify and agree on places that would be good you know water access as if if an opportunity

[0:18:24] Voice 1: arose or good places for public docks or you know good places because they're ecologically sensitive

[0:18:31] Voice 1: or because there's eel grass or various issues along the shore and have a map that could then be

[0:18:36] Voice 1: ideally used for a number of purposes in in you know subdivisions if it was attached to the OCP

[0:18:41] Voice 1: or other discussions in rezoning applications and other opportunities

[0:18:48] Voice 1: if people want to put NAPTEP on their property and so on.

[0:18:52] Voice 1: So I think that's a really positive thing that could move forward.

[0:18:58] Voice 1: I have a note.

[0:19:00] Voice 1: I want to mention something about dispatch.

[0:19:02] Voice 1: At its December 21st meeting last year,

[0:19:06] Voice 1: the QRD board made the following public announcement.

[0:19:09] Voice 1: The Board adopted the amended Option C dispatch system as an interim system for Laskete Island, while more information is gathered on current cost comparison analysis and public engagement on both the amended Option C and the North Island 911 dispatch systems.

[0:19:25] Voice 1: This represents a significant step forward towards a way out of the six-year impasse regarding dispatch that tries to address the interests and concerns of the community, the fire department, and the QRD.

[0:19:39] Voice 1: In the short term, this means that steps will be actively taken to set up a contract with the Northern 911 Emergency Call Answer Transfer Fire Dispatch Service, which is in Ontario, not to be confused with the North Island 911 or NI 911 in Campbell River.

[0:19:55] Voice 1: similar names. This will allow medical calls to be transferred to BC Ambulance more quickly and

[0:20:01] Voice 1: will allow callers for fire emergencies to talk immediately with a person instead of the current

[0:20:06] Voice 1: answering machine to convey relevant information without having to wait for a callback. It will

[0:20:11] Voice 1: also allow our local response coordinators to receive incident information more quickly.

[0:20:16] Voice 1: This will reduce pressure on our fire department volunteers, improve emergency call handling and

[0:20:21] Voice 1: and reduce liability risk for the QRD

[0:20:23] Voice 1: and improvement for all parties.

[0:20:25] Voice 1: A subsequent step will be public consultation

[0:20:27] Voice 1: and updated costing information

[0:20:29] Voice 1: to help the community consider long-term options.

[0:20:32] Voice 1: Regarding the OCP, it has not appeared on a QRD agenda

[0:20:38] Voice 1: as of yet, as you've received a request

[0:20:41] Voice 1: from the QRD for an extension.

[0:20:43] Voice 1: I suppose that's partly because our meetings in January

[0:20:47] Voice 1: tended to be over four hours long.

[0:20:49] Voice 1: So a little bit daunting.

[0:20:51] Voice 1: So none of the board members have seen it. And hopefully it'll appear on the February committee of the whole agenda. I will look into that. As Trustee Johnson mentioned, there has been some vigorous discussion on the Laskiti email list about sheep, in particular on the proposed advocacy policy.

[0:21:08] Voice 1: And I believe that the concerns raised can be addressed while retaining the underlying goal of encouraging credible and objective baseline information that could be used to inform future interest and value based discussions.

[0:21:21] Voice 1: And finally, one of the QRD strategic priorities is regional park acquisition, and the QRD is developing a parks and green space policy, hopefully in the next few months it will come out.

[0:21:33] Voice 1: The Islands Trust Conservancy Forest Conservation Outreach Packages that are in this agenda contain a lot of useful information and I would like to request, if it's possible, that the Islands Trust forward a suitable package

[0:21:48] Voice 1: for list that includes the Liskiti and the Gambier information to the QRD a lot

[0:21:54] Voice 1: of the QRD area is coastal western hemlock Liskiti is coastal Douglas fir

[0:21:59] Voice 1: but that information from Gambier is also useful and I think that would be I

[0:22:04] Voice 1: think it would be really good for the board the QRD board to see and discuss

[0:22:07] Voice 1: that and that's another area where there can be some some cooperation thank you

[0:22:14] Voice 1: thank

[0:22:16] Trustee Luckham: you director fall any questions for the director no i uh trustee peterson go ahead

[0:22:27] Voice 8: um yeah i just wonder uh as far as um getting that information andrew to to your board uh

[0:22:34] Voice 8: i'm wondering if perhaps uh uh the ltc here can uh make a resolution to help uh help make sure

[0:22:42] Voice 8: that happens um so it was the unless staff feels like they can just what do you think

[0:22:54] Voice 5: Oh

[0:22:57] Voice 8: okay then I would move that the LTC request I guess it's the Conservancy

[0:23:09] Voice 8: right or can we just ask staff in general okay then I move that the LTC

[0:23:15] Voice 8: request staff to forward the forward sorry forest conservation information

[0:23:25] Voice 8: requested by Director Fall to the QRD board. Concerning Liskety and Gambier

[0:23:35] Voice 8: trust area, Gambier-Keats trust area.

[0:23:39] Trustee Luckham: Yeah I wonder Tim if you might and I realize

[0:23:44] Trustee Luckham: that's maybe a bit it might be end up being a bit vague but there's actually

[0:23:48] Trustee Luckham: quite a bit of work happening in other areas. Salt Spring Island for instance is

[0:23:53] Trustee Luckham: developing at Coastal Douglas for a strategy and some materials that have

[0:23:58] Trustee Luckham: been created by a third party that would also be worthy of consideration so i wonder how we might

[0:24:04] Trustee Luckham: uh um just make it broader to provide um trust uh how about on coast okay

[0:24:15] Voice 8: so how about we add

[0:24:17] Voice 8: and uh other relevant materials yeah

[0:24:22] Trustee Luckham: so that's great thanks tim uh so that's moved and uh david

[0:24:29] Trustee Luckham: did you get that can you read it back for me thank you sure

[0:24:32] Voice 4: yes uh it was moved in sec well

[0:24:36] Voice 4: it was moved that the ltc requests staff to forward concert for forward forest conservation

[0:24:43] Voice 4: information to the qrd board and other relevant materials and

[0:24:48] Trustee Luckham: i'll just look to heather crowder

[0:24:50] Trustee Luckham: regional planning manager is that sufficient thank you so trustee johnson do you second that

[0:24:54] Voice 10: happy to second thank

[0:24:56] Trustee Luckham: you and so I'll just call for the vote all those in

[0:24:59] Trustee Luckham: favor aye carries excellent thank you it's great

[0:25:04] Voice 1: thank you any

[0:25:06] Trustee Luckham: other questions for the director maybe just I'm just a question

[0:25:10] Trustee Luckham: of clarity because you got me a little confused there director fall because you

[0:25:17] Trustee Luckham: mentioned the whole dispatch system and moving to North Island and then you said

[0:25:23] Trustee Luckham: not the Campbell River North Island, because certainly the entire Couch and Valley Regional

[0:25:28] Trustee Luckham: District and even Nanaimo have moved off of the present fire comm dispatch system. Nanaimo has

[0:25:37] Trustee Luckham: chosen to go with a Surrey-delivered system, and all of the departments in the Couch and Valley

[0:25:44] Trustee Luckham: chose to go with the North Island 911 based in Campbell River, which indeed, for all of the

[0:25:53] Trustee Luckham: The reason you have said we think is actually a good move on our part.

[0:25:57] Trustee Luckham: We've always had difficulty with the old fire comm system because they could never get our addresses right.

[0:26:04] Trustee Luckham: But that might still continue to exist.

[0:26:06] Trustee Luckham: But can you just clarify for me, this is a different system than the Campbell River-based dispatch center?

[0:26:13] Voice 1: I

[0:26:14] Trustee Luckham: believe there was only three dispatch centers around.

[0:26:17] Trustee Luckham: ground

[0:26:18] Voice 1: right so this is a a long uh issue long-standing issue that that involved a lot

[0:26:23] Voice 1: of community uh there was a lot of uh community discussion on this and a committee was formed in

[0:26:29] Voice 1: i think 2017 the emergency skidi emergency dispatch advisory committee that led to a

[0:26:35] Voice 1: consultant being hired to who recommended that you know because of of you know concerns and and

[0:26:42] Voice 1: you know there was it was difficult the discussion was about you know so there's north island 911

[0:26:46] Voice 1: 911 and Northern 911, and they have similar names. Northern 911 is actually more similar to

[0:26:53] Voice 1: EECOM in Vancouver. So they're more of a call answer transfer. So when you call 911 from Thetis,

[0:27:01] Voice 1: the number goes to EECOM in Vancouver, and then they transfer it to BC Ambulance or to

[0:27:07] Voice 1: NI 911 or to the fire dispatcher for fire calls or to the RCMP. So Northern 911 in Sudbury,

[0:27:14] Voice 1: Ontario, would receive calls on a 10-digit number from Mesquite and effectively do that

[0:27:20] Voice 1: and transfer calls to BC Ambulance for medical or to contact our local fire department for

[0:27:29] Voice 1: fire calls.

[0:27:30] Voice 1: So, you know, the concern is, you know, there's some, you know, of course, pressure to join

[0:27:36] Voice 1: North Island 911.

[0:27:38] Voice 1: The rest of the regional district, other fire departments are in North Island 911.

[0:27:42] Voice 1: one one but there's up you know there's a sufficient opposition on the skidi to not do that

[0:27:47] Voice 1: and so that was this was the kind of solution that was recommended by this this expert that

[0:27:53] Voice 1: was hired in 2017 and so this this allows this system to be tested out and tried and it'll result

[0:28:01] Voice 1: in a big improvement because right now when you when you phone for fires you get an answering

[0:28:05] Voice 1: machine so you phone a 10 digit number that sets off the pagers it's worked very well but

[0:28:10] Voice 1: But you get an answering machine and then you type in your number and then you're supposed to wait by your phone for a callback.

[0:28:16] Voice 1: So it's a little bit stressful for people.

[0:28:18] Voice 1: It tends to work, but it adds undue stress and undue delays, which, you know, none of which are good in a fire because, you know, do you want to stand by a phone while you're having a fire?

[0:28:28] Voice 1: So this is the solution.

[0:28:31] Voice 1: And the expert basically said it's equivalent to what's called a basic 911 system in all respects except for the number.

[0:28:40] Voice 1: So even though it'll be a 10-digit number, it'll otherwise function exactly like a 911 system, with the exception of addressing.

[0:28:49] Voice 1: The systems in most places are enhanced 911 that include addressing that's attached to the number.

[0:28:56] Voice 1: And there are no addresses on LISC-ED, and so to go to that kind of system would require addressing on LISC-ED, which adds a whole other level to the community discussion and so on.

[0:29:07] Voice 1: So this is a step that is a big improvement, satisfies concerns about risks and so on, adds some improvement for the community, doesn't push too far.

[0:29:19] Voice 1: And then, you know, after a couple of years, there could be a review.

[0:29:22] Voice 1: And if the system works fine, then it can continue.

[0:29:26] Voice 1: And if it's not working fine, the community can have a discussion of whether to go with the North Island 911 system.

[0:29:36] Trustee Luckham: Okay, very good. Thank you for that explanation.

[0:29:39] Trustee Luckham: I didn't need the full meal deal, but I'm glad that I had got that, and maybe we could talk offline about it, because I guess my concern there, and I don't live there, and I don't have to deal with it.

[0:29:52] Trustee Luckham: I understand that, but I am in emergency services.

[0:29:55] Trustee Luckham: The landscape has changed a lot since 2017.

[0:30:00] Trustee Luckham: and indeed everybody is now migrating toward north island but i understand and respect the

[0:30:04] Trustee Luckham: interests of the community so thank you for that so now we're going to go to the town hall session

[0:30:12] Trustee Luckham: which will be the opportunity for members of the fetus community to speak with us

[0:30:17] Trustee Luckham: and i'm just gonna just uh mention here that if you are on the live stream uh mode which you

[0:30:24] Trustee Luckham: would have clicked on on the screen to get here or possibly you had some kind of other invite

[0:30:30] Trustee Luckham: but if you want to participate in the meeting by speaking to us you have to come in on the join

[0:30:36] Trustee Luckham: electronically which if you go to the thetis island website and you go to the liskiti island

[0:30:42] Trustee Luckham: trust area page um there's two buttons uh there that say click here one to join electronically

[0:30:48] Trustee Luckham: electronically, you need to do that. Livestream is just watching. And so I've got two people

[0:30:56] Trustee Luckham: presently on the attendees, Brenda and Gail, and I'm going to ask them if they wish to

[0:31:03] Trustee Luckham: speak and while they're speaking, that'll give anybody else the chance that needs to

[0:31:10] Trustee Luckham: switch over to the other method of getting into the meeting to join us too. And I'll

[0:31:15] Trustee Luckham: be watching that attendees list um for anybody else that comes in so uh and so for those that

[0:31:22] Trustee Luckham: are on the attendees list at the bottom of your screen there'll be a raise hand function and

[0:31:28] Trustee Luckham: you can raise your hand and then um our staff will codding them will uh bring you live into

[0:31:37] Trustee Luckham: the meeting and you can address the local trust committee if you don't have a computer and you're

[0:31:42] Trustee Luckham: on a phone then star nine allows you to raise your hand electronically through that system

[0:31:50] Trustee Luckham: i'm just going to pause for a moment and wait for somebody to raise their hand

[0:31:54] Trustee Luckham: doesn't mean i don't see any hands raised i

[0:32:01] Voice 6: just want to note chair luckham that in order for

[0:32:04] Voice 6: people to get that raised hand to show up they need to either pull their cursor down to the

[0:32:10] Voice 6: bottom of the screen or if you're on an ipad you know push your pull your finger down to the bottom

[0:32:15] Voice 6: of the screen and that actually pulls up the raise hand so that you can see it

[0:32:20] Trustee Luckham: right perfect yeah so

[0:32:21] Trustee Luckham: drag your mouse down to the bottom of the black area on your screen or if you're on an ipad swipe

[0:32:27] Trustee Luckham: down to it so that you get the little pop-up menu at the bottom and that will just uh wait here for

[0:32:36] Trustee Luckham: a moment in fact you know what might be fun is if you don't want to speak

[0:32:46] Trustee Luckham: raise your hand so that we know the technology is working for you oh i see one for brenda and

[0:32:53] Trustee Luckham: one for gail perfect okay so then um you can lower your hands sort of a trial run so thank you so

[0:33:01] Trustee Luckham: then i'm going to then assume that um nothing to say at the moment of course you know uh sticking

[0:33:08] Trustee Luckham: with our sort of best practices the town hall is the part to speak up unless

[0:33:13] Trustee Luckham: you're an applicant because we try not to entertain debate elsewhere in the

[0:33:21] Trustee Luckham: agenda and we'll do want to acknowledge that we received a lot of correspondence

[0:33:27] Trustee Luckham: with regards to the OCP specifically the sheep has been mentioned before and we

[0:33:32] Trustee Luckham: will definitely be taking that into consideration so I think that's okay

[0:33:37] Trustee Luckham: with trustees we'll continue not seeing any further raised hands so um the first item then

[0:33:45] Trustee Luckham: is minutes and there seems to be a few here today a local trust committee meeting minutes dated

[0:33:52] Trustee Luckham: september 17th 2020 for adoption and i believe that was the meeting that we actually had on

[0:34:00] Trustee Luckham: Laskiti and so I'll ask if there's any additional any changes to those minutes

[0:34:08] Trustee Luckham: of September the 17th

[0:34:10] Voice 10: I have a few I kept the list of people that were there

[0:34:16] Voice 10: and right after we received these minutes I found that list and destroyed

[0:34:23] Voice 10: it but there were actually 20 people not including the trustees and the recorder

[0:34:29] Voice 10: order at the meeting oh

[0:34:30] Trustee Luckham: okay well then that's uh terrific so thank you so if we have some consensus

[0:34:36] Trustee Luckham: on that um then uh we can amend that so uh what else did you have for us um

[0:34:44] Voice 10: so it'll take me

[0:34:49] Voice 10: you know I that's the only thing I have I believe for the uh that special meeting okay thank you

[0:34:56] Trustee Luckham: and Tim did you have anything for the special meeting at 5.1? No? So the only

[0:35:01] Trustee Luckham: thing I did have one maybe even almost two things but one thing for sure and

[0:35:09] Trustee Luckham: would like recommendations from either the recorder or from staff because it

[0:35:16] Trustee Luckham: says right at the beginning of that call to order the meeting being held in the

[0:35:20] Trustee Luckham: unceded territory of Coast Salish First Nations. I rarely ever use the phrase

[0:35:25] Trustee Luckham: is unceded so I'm not if it's on the recording then I said it um but if um that was maybe

[0:35:32] Trustee Luckham: paraphrased a little bit from maybe a ramble that I might have said about how happy I was to be in

[0:35:37] Trustee Luckham: territory that would be fine but I would just as soon delete the word unceded because it has

[0:35:43] Trustee Luckham: some negative connotations to it not being traditional territory anymore and that we're

[0:35:49] Trustee Luckham: just exerting our uh colonial powers in that way so it is is and always will be from sailors

[0:35:56] Trustee Luckham: territory so i'd rather have unseated removed unless somebody remembers that i said that

[0:36:01] Trustee Luckham: i'm not seeing any objections then i'll pass on that and then i'm a little puzzled and i

[0:36:07] Trustee Luckham: may have said that this too which also surprises me that i would pause the recording if people

[0:36:13] Trustee Luckham: people didn't wanna be recorded in the meeting

[0:36:18] Trustee Luckham: because people were, I guess there was no electronic meeting

[0:36:24] Trustee Luckham: so normally we might record that for minute taking

[0:36:27] Trustee Luckham: more than anything else rather than broadcasting

[0:36:30] Trustee Luckham: and maybe I was confused about broadcasting

[0:36:32] Trustee Luckham: but I think probably that may not be accurate

[0:36:36] Trustee Luckham: in terms of what we would normally practice

[0:36:38] Trustee Luckham: and I would ask Heather Kaur there

[0:36:41] Trustee Luckham: is that recording of the meeting

[0:36:43] Trustee Luckham: We would only be recording that for minute purposes, not actually publicly streamed in any way, shape, or form.

[0:36:51] Trustee Luckham: So maybe I would suggest that that just be ended.

[0:36:54] Trustee Luckham: It was being recorded.

[0:36:57] Trustee Luckham: And I may have said that in error, but I think it would be helpful if it was clear to folks.

[0:37:06] Voice 10: Mr. Chair, my memory is that you had a little machine that you indicated and you set it on the

[0:37:13] Voice 10: table and you did say if anybody didn't want to be recorded, you would turn it off.

[0:37:18] Trustee Luckham: Okay, well, then that's fine. I'm happy to keep that there if that's what I said. That's what I

[0:37:26] Trustee Luckham: would just want to clarity. It's just that I don't think we actually did that. I think everybody just

[0:37:31] Trustee Luckham: spoke and so everybody

[0:37:33] Voice 10: seemed to be okay with it with being recorded nobody objected

[0:37:37] Trustee Luckham: yeah anyway

[0:37:39] Trustee Luckham: uh that's that's fine so let's just leave that so that's the only item there so then the only item

[0:37:44] Trustee Luckham: that then is changed on this is the number of people that are attending so if we're okay with

[0:37:47] Trustee Luckham: that then let's receive the local trust committee special meeting minutes dated uh september 17th

[0:37:55] Trustee Luckham: actually approve them um as amended all right so let's go now to local trust committee special

[0:38:03] Trustee Luckham: meeting minutes dated september 18th that was the next round which was indeed electronic

[0:38:10] Trustee Luckham: and um i'll ask if there's any changes to those minutes not

[0:38:16] Voice 10: for me all

[0:38:18] Trustee Luckham: right and i'm not seeing

[0:38:19] Trustee Luckham: tim and i didn't have anything so then indeed what we will do is uh adopt the local trust committee

[0:38:26] Trustee Luckham: special meeting minutes dated september 18 2020 um as presented so the next and final set of

[0:38:35] Trustee Luckham: minutes was our local trust committee minutes dated october the 5th here again for adoption

[0:38:43] Trustee Luckham: and i'll ask again if there's any uh amendments to those minutes i

[0:38:48] Voice 10: i have a couple okay peter go

[0:38:51] Trustee Luckham: ahead uh

[0:38:51] Voice 10: yeah i'm sorry i'm having a little trouble seeing the whole of the page on my screen

[0:38:58] Voice 10: there it is um in section 11 new business the second paragraph um oh no sorry that's not where

[0:39:07] Voice 10: it is it's it's somewhere i my my trouble on the screen is that i when i have my comment on it

[0:39:16] Voice 10: blocks off half of the uh we'll

[0:39:23] Trustee Luckham: just wait for you yeah

[0:39:26] Voice 10: so it's on page 21.

[0:39:28] Trustee Luckham: yes section 11.

[0:39:30] Voice 10: yeah and

[0:39:31] Voice 10: it says uh oh chester johnston asked for messages and i i'm sorry for meetings he said each month

[0:39:42] Voice 10: in fact i asked to be each uh every other month not not every month okay

[0:39:48] Trustee Luckham: very good then so we'll

[0:39:51] Trustee Luckham: amend the minutes to reflect that so that's what you recall yeah

[0:39:54] Voice 10: and i have next one uh is a

[0:39:57] Voice 10: correction at um what section is it it has to do with the alr and i think it's the oh it's

[0:40:13] Voice 10: section 11.2 the second bullet under staff advised uh it currently says the recent changes primarily

[0:40:20] Voice 10: impact individual landowners by preventing them from apply removing their property from the

[0:40:25] Voice 10: agricultural land reserve now only local trust committees can remove properties and in fact

[0:40:32] Voice 10: local trust committees can't remove properties but they can apply to the agricultural land

[0:40:37] Voice 10: commission to have them removed

[0:40:38] Trustee Luckham: that's a very good uh amendment there yeah so then that should read

[0:40:44] Trustee Luckham: uh do you have a suggestion of what that should mean i

[0:40:46] Voice 10: would say after can just say apply to

[0:40:49] Voice 10: to remove properties.

[0:40:51] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[0:40:52] Trustee Luckham: That's a very good amendment.

[0:40:53] Trustee Luckham: And that you concur with that regional planning manager?

[0:40:57] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[0:40:58] Trustee Luckham: So, and you got that David, both of those amendments.

[0:41:04] Voice 4: Thank you, chair.

[0:41:05] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much, David.

[0:41:08] Trustee Luckham: So therefore, is there anything else, Peter?

[0:41:10] Voice 10: I have just one more

[0:41:12] Voice 10: and I'm not sure it's terribly important,

[0:41:14] Voice 10: but let me just find it.

[0:41:17] Voice 10: It's right at the end

[0:41:21] Voice 10: 15-1 the last two lines i think trustees asked about the need for december 7th meeting the chair

[0:41:28] Voice 10: advised the meeting date he left in place for the interim i'll just leave that we didn't meet and

[0:41:34] Voice 10: my memory is that because it would take a whole lot of staff time that probably wasn't available

[0:41:39] Voice 10: to arrange for that december 7th meeting the main point is that that's in my mind way too long a gap

[0:41:45] Voice 10: four months between meetings and we don't have that on the calendar this year we're having six

[0:41:50] Voice 10: meeting scheduled so it's it's okay let's just go on to the next okay

[0:41:57] Trustee Luckham: so then uh peter tim peterson

[0:42:05] Voice 8: yeah thank you chair um i just had a quick question in the uh the minutes of the uh the first

[0:42:14] Voice 8: set of minutes here from the special meeting so on page just a

[0:42:20] Voice 8: second here we

[0:42:20] Trustee Luckham: adopted already

[0:42:22] Voice 8: yes but it's just a question for staff on page seven um there's a bullet that says uh staff

[0:42:30] Voice 8: request uh chair requested that staff research the current requirements for log dumps and i'm

[0:42:37] Voice 8: just was noticing that in the minutes and i'm not sure that um where where that went or whether we

[0:42:44] Voice 8: needed to perhaps make a resolution to alert staff that we wanted to request that information

[0:42:50] Voice 8: Mayor Mrakas, So

[0:42:51] Trustee Luckham: is that on the follow up action list re rpm cower so

[0:42:58] Voice 5: yeah you probably would like to have a motion of

[0:43:01] Voice 5: some sort to move that forward yeah

[0:43:04] Voice 8: because it's just listed as a request, so maybe I

[0:43:06] Voice 8: will go ahead and and make a motion.

[0:43:09] Voice 8: Mayor Mrakas, That the ltc request staff to research

[0:43:12] Voice 8: the current requirements for log dumps.

[0:43:16] Voice 5: Councillor Wendy Gaertner- and provide a staff report is that.

[0:43:20] Voice 8: Mayor Mrakas, Yes, please.

[0:43:24] Trustee Luckham: So that's moved. And now we'll ask. And so I guess I'm thinking about, is that something

[0:43:37] Trustee Luckham: that's easily done that you could conduct in your regular work? Or does that need to

[0:43:42] Trustee Luckham: somehow be on any kind of a priorities or projects list?

[0:43:46] Voice 5: I think that's something we could do relatively easily. I think it belongs on the FUAL.

[0:43:52] Voice 5: on yeah so

[0:43:53] Trustee Luckham: thank you very much for taking that on then so peter johnson do you want to second that

[0:43:58] Voice 10: i'm i'm okay with second i'm not sure i i don't remember that part of the meeting i don't know

[0:44:03] Voice 10: what the context is is that something that we think is important for us to know at this point

[0:44:12] Trustee Luckham: well in the minutes it says uh something about expo opposed to exporting logs and uh and that

[0:44:20] Trustee Luckham: that temporary use permits,

[0:44:22] Trustee Luckham: I don't know where I saw that.

[0:44:24] Voice 3: Oh,

[0:44:24] Trustee Luckham: temporary use permits was suggested

[0:44:26] Trustee Luckham: for temporary log dumps.

[0:44:28] Trustee Luckham: So I don't know where that suggestion came from.

[0:44:31] Trustee Luckham: Is that from a staff report or is that part of the OCP?

[0:44:36] Voice 10: I think it wasn't, aren't we at the public meeting,

[0:44:40] Voice 10: the first public meeting that was at the community hall?

[0:44:43] Trustee Luckham: Yes, that's correct.

[0:44:44] Voice 10: Yeah, so it was just a suggestion that somebody made.

[0:44:47] Voice 10: And, you know, there's two levels. One is the trust level has to approve a temporary or a rezoning for a log dump, but the provincial government has to approve it too.

[0:45:02] Voice 10: And I don't know, you know, at this point we have what a constructed log dump that they have approved. It's privately owned.

[0:45:10] Voice 10: I don't know if it's still licensed and still an official log dump.

[0:45:16] Voice 10: I don't know if the owner will allow it to be used if it is still that way.

[0:45:22] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, so obviously this is in the context of the OCP,

[0:45:25] Trustee Luckham: and it's certainly reasonable to get a report in context of the OCP.

[0:45:30] Voice 10: Especially since it

[0:45:31] Voice 10: doesn't take much time.

[0:45:33] Voice 10: So I'm happy to second it.

[0:45:36] Voice 10: Thank you.

[0:45:38] Voice 10: Tim,

[0:45:39] Voice 8: do you want to speak to it?

[0:45:40] Voice 8: well i was just going to mention that uh um the reason it popped up for me is because it

[0:45:47] Voice 8: it looks like we were going to do something if you read the minutes um so if we said we're going

[0:45:53] Voice 8: to do something i'd like us to go ahead and do it then and and get that information i believe the

[0:45:58] Voice 8: conversation at that meeting was about um you know was around the um lack of of clarity and

[0:46:07] Voice 8: and lack of security, I guess, on the present log dump

[0:46:13] Voice 8: and what the obstacles to some sort of alternative way

[0:46:18] Voice 8: of getting raw logs off the island was.

[0:46:21] Voice 8: I don't think there's a lot of support

[0:46:23] Voice 8: necessarily for doing that,

[0:46:25] Voice 8: but I think information is good for us to have

[0:46:29] Voice 8: in this situation.

[0:46:30] Voice 8: So thank you.

[0:46:32] Trustee Luckham: Regional planning manager, Cowher.

[0:46:34] Voice 5: I guess in that context, I might need a little more information.

[0:46:39] Voice 5: You know, the staff report may not be as easy as I thought it might be, depending on what

[0:46:45] Voice 5: information you're looking for.

[0:46:47] Voice 5: So if you're wondering about, for instance, the current policies around log dumps in the

[0:46:54] Voice 5: OCP and whether or not we would need new policies or something along those lines, I could definitely

[0:47:00] Voice 5: make that part of the OCP project.

[0:47:01] Voice 5: But if it's separate from that, I'm not sure.

[0:47:05] Trustee Luckham: Mayor Mrakas, Trustee peterson, so

[0:47:09] Voice 8: I think part of the part of the what was being discussed and wondered about there was like what the provincial provincial requirements are because, of course, the province has to approve and stuff so that.

[0:47:27] Voice 8: Mayor Mrakas, I think what sort of the conversation was about looking for.

[0:47:34] Voice 8: you know in the future if this if the present existing built one is is no longer an option

[0:47:40] Voice 8: what would it take for for uh from the province side for someone to go through that application

[0:47:46] Voice 8: what sort of rules there are in place um at present so

[0:47:54] Trustee Luckham: maybe if i just try and summarize

[0:47:57] Trustee Luckham: that so what we're looking for is to know what the requirements are for the establishment of a

[0:48:02] Trustee Luckham: log dump and then that may affect our upland zoning or uses um and you're not looking for

[0:48:12] Trustee Luckham: opinion on that this time but what you're looking for is what the provincial requirements are

[0:48:19] Trustee Luckham: and i think that's it

[0:48:20] Voice 8: yeah i feel i feel like that's where the conversation was going and

[0:48:24] Voice 8: that's where that uh the chair request um came from so

[0:48:30] Trustee Luckham: that does seem fairly straightforward

[0:48:32] Trustee Luckham: forward heather yeah okay so

[0:48:33] Trustee Luckham: then um if there's no just further discussion then um i'll call for

[0:48:39] Trustee Luckham: the vote all those in favor and none opposed so that carries um now that we've made that motion

[0:48:49] Trustee Luckham: i'll just note you know in my scuba diving experiences log dumps are incredibly detrimental

[0:48:57] Trustee Luckham: to the marine habitat. So just keep that in mind. The amount of detritus and debris that's

[0:49:03] Voice 10: on the bottom

[0:49:03] Trustee Luckham: is significant. Go ahead, Peter.

[0:49:08] Voice 10: Yeah, they don't call them log dumps anymore. They're log watering facilities. And one of the important things is that the logs never go on the bottom, that they be put in the water and taken away.

[0:49:21] Voice 10: away. In the old days, you just dumped them in, put a boom across the front of the bay and left

[0:49:27] Voice 10: them there, and they came up and down with the tides, lost lots of bark, and that screwed up

[0:49:32] Voice 10: many, many bays on Mesquite with all of that debris on the bottom. The other thing I have,

[0:49:39] Voice 10: and I don't know if this will help, but anytime you have a question of provincial government,

[0:49:44] Voice 10: if you can write to Inquiry BC, you can email them as well as phone them, ask them your question.

[0:49:49] Voice 10: And within a few days, you get a very, very reasonable and thorough, in my experience, answer back telling you what the regulations are and how you can make an application, that kind of thing.

[0:50:00] Voice 10: And I just looked at the government website for that.

[0:50:05] Voice 10: There's a box and you could just type your question in.

[0:50:08] Voice 10: And it's a very good way of getting that kind of information in front of a provincial government.

[0:50:14] Voice 10: Thank you.

[0:50:14] Voice 10: Yeah,

[0:50:15] Trustee Luckham: I'm presuming that Trustee Peterson wants that information available to the broader public

[0:50:20] Trustee Luckham: in some fashion through RLTC, so I think it's a reasonable request. But I'll just note that

[0:50:26] Trustee Luckham: actually the ditches and bark that falls on the bottom actually happens while the logs are at rest

[0:50:33] Trustee Luckham: out in even deep water. The amount of debris that falls off the logs from having been transported

[0:50:39] Trustee Luckham: and stuff so it's not just when they're put into the water so certainly uh appreciate your comments

[0:50:45] Trustee Luckham: there about that but um it's my experience has been in 60 feet of water where there's been log

[0:50:51] Trustee Luckham: dumps and it's the material that falls off the logs and rests on the bottom

[0:50:58] Trustee Luckham: um all right so i'm going to move on if that's all right to 5.4 resolution without meeting uh

[0:51:04] Trustee Luckham: report dated january the 18th that's there for our information those decisions that we made

[0:51:11] Trustee Luckham: which i think was advancing first reading of the ocp to uh public uh or to referrals

[0:51:19] Trustee Luckham: um and that's happened and the next item at 5.5 is advisory planning commission meeting

[0:51:26] Trustee Luckham: minutes and we don't have any uh here today um so finally we get to the business arising from the

[0:51:34] Trustee Luckham: minutes and I'll ask staff if they have any more recent updates than the report that's here from

[0:51:44] Trustee Luckham: January 21st. That's only last week and so I'll just go to trustees and ask if you have any

[0:51:50] Trustee Luckham: questions about the follow-up action report. I also want to notice, and I didn't recognize

[0:51:55] Trustee Luckham: him earlier, I apologize William, and Philbar Fresh Potter Specialist is online with us and

[0:52:00] Trustee Luckham: I'm listening in at the moment.

[0:52:02] Trustee Luckham: So welcome William.

[0:52:03] Trustee Luckham: So back to trustees for questions

[0:52:05] Trustee Luckham: on the follow-up action list.

[0:52:10] Voice 10: Sorry, I'm not sure why I have such difficulty

[0:52:21] Voice 10: using my screen at a Zoom meeting.

[0:52:24] Voice 10: And I don't have, I don't think I have as much

[0:52:27] Voice 10: at an actual in-place meeting,

[0:52:29] Voice 10: but I'm having trouble locating.

[0:52:33] Voice 10: 5.4 follow-up action list.

[0:52:36] Trustee Luckham: Yes, that's correct.

[0:52:38] Trustee Luckham: on page 25 and 26.

[0:52:43] Voice 10: Okay, so I'm a little beyond it.

[0:53:02] Voice 10: Okay, I have a question here,

[0:53:04] Voice 10: a comment on September 30th activity one,

[0:53:08] Voice 10: and I can't read what my comment is.

[0:53:14] Trustee Luckham: That's a letter to provide comments

[0:53:18] Trustee Luckham: on a letter from SLCC dated September 20th.

[0:53:21] Trustee Luckham: Yeah,

[0:53:21] Voice 10: and I wondered where is that available

[0:53:24] Voice 10: that that's dealt with but I haven't heard anything about it that oh where is

[0:53:32] Voice 10: where can I find the results of that I think

[0:53:36] Trustee Luckham: we were all copied that in a

[0:53:39] Trustee Luckham: that's September 19 and it says completed that was

[0:53:46] Trustee Luckham: America do you have

[0:53:48] Trustee Luckham: any comments there it says completed so I'm presuming that went out and I thought

[0:53:52] Trustee Luckham: thought we were copied on that I

[0:53:55] Voice 5: don't remember I can look it up and get back to you on it but I

[0:54:00] Trustee Luckham: don't

[0:54:00] Voice 5: remember yeah

[0:54:01] Voice 10: this was something that came up and it was it didn't happen and it came up

[0:54:06] Voice 10: again and the letter there's letter was sent to David Marler and I don't remember receiving

[0:54:12] Voice 10: anything back from it but may have I do

[0:54:18] Trustee Luckham: but anyway I guess we could all hunt look for that

[0:54:22] Trustee Luckham: and get a copy of that to you.

[0:54:24] Voice 10: Okay, thank you.

[0:54:27] Voice 10: October 28th, the water project,

[0:54:30] Voice 10: and we'll be hearing from William in a few minutes.

[0:54:33] Voice 10: So I remember reading somewhere,

[0:54:38] Voice 10: and I can't remember,

[0:54:39] Voice 10: it might've been in one of David Marler's reports

[0:54:41] Voice 10: for trust council that some number of hours, I think,

[0:54:46] Voice 10: or costs had been accrued to this project.

[0:54:49] Voice 10: And I don't know if William can mention that when he reports to us a little later today.

[0:54:58] Voice 10: And finally, the second one on that date, the staff to include the scope of the OCH in the scope,

[0:55:08] Voice 10: exploration of subdivision regulations for the purposes of requiring proof of potable water

[0:55:13] Voice 10: and ensuring foreshore access is physically accessible.

[0:55:18] Voice 10: to and and I I know this was suggested have we actually decided to include that

[0:55:26] Voice 10: is that would completed mean that's in the scope of some phase of the OCP

[0:55:31] Voice 10: review

[0:55:32] Voice 5: there's there's

[0:55:34] Voice 5: sorry there is a consideration of subdivision regulations

[0:55:40] Voice 5: in another phase of the OCP project charter I remember there were just

[0:55:45] Voice 5: where's discussion about potable water um and that it's just consideration not necessarily that you

[0:55:53] Voice 5: would do that for sure but it's consideration and it is in the project charter currently okay it's

[0:55:59] Voice 10: so it's in the project charter and when it when that phase comes up we'll be considering it right

[0:56:04] Voice 10: okay because i i i think it's unnecessary and i i wouldn't support it but i can consider it and

[0:56:12] Voice 10: and keep an open mind and maybe sometime I will change it.

[0:56:16] Voice 10: Thank you, that's all I have on those parts.

[0:56:20] Trustee Luckham: Okay, Tim Peterson, anything on the follow-up action list?

[0:56:25] Voice 8: I'll just speak to the last item

[0:56:29] Voice 8: because in fact, I did ask that we get more information

[0:56:35] Voice 8: on the potable water at time of subdivision

[0:56:38] Voice 8: precisely so that we would have better information

[0:56:41] Voice 8: when we come around to making that determination whether or not choose to include that in the

[0:56:48] Voice 8: subdivision regulations we

[0:56:54] Voice 10: i i don't know if this is a proper time to discuss it i'm happy to

[0:56:58] Voice 10: or i'm happy just to wait until it comes up you know we have a we have a i can say it very briefly

[0:57:05] Voice 10: we have minimum 10 acre subdivision we get something over 30 inches of rain 30 inches of

[0:57:11] Voice 10: rain on 10 acres is a whack of water and it's not really the trust local trust committee business to

[0:57:18] Voice 10: decide whether somebody can live on that or not it's up to somebody to decide whether they can

[0:57:22] Voice 10: do that but that's just my short view at this point and william probably has something useful

[0:57:30] Voice 10: to say about this sort of thing too tim what tim wants to do but i

[0:57:38] Trustee Luckham: guess at present it's not an

[0:57:39] Trustee Luckham: item on our follow-up action list if I'm not mistaken so well it's actually it's

[0:57:49] Trustee Luckham: actually that item this has completed you know don't know what you might want

[0:57:59] Trustee Luckham: to do about that at this time so trustee Peterson yeah

[0:58:06] Voice 8: the intention was to get

[0:58:07] Voice 8: some information for the LTC to so that we could decide whether or not we felt

[0:58:15] Voice 8: it was desirable to include in the subdivision rules.

[0:58:22] Voice 8: The default is the province making those determinations.

[0:58:28] Voice 8: And so I have requested that we get information on this

[0:58:31] Voice 8: so that the LTC can make a better informed decision

[0:58:35] Voice 8: on whether or not we feel it's appropriate

[0:58:39] Voice 8: and gives us some more control

[0:58:43] Voice 8: over the subdivision process and parameters.

[0:58:46] Voice 8: and that's that's the background.

[0:59:02] Trustee Luckham: I'm sorry I muted

[0:59:03] Trustee Luckham: myself. Does the do the

[0:59:05] Trustee Luckham: trustees want to hear from Freshwater Specialist William Schilbaugh on this

[0:59:08] Trustee Luckham: topic?

[0:59:15] Voice 10: Either now or when he reports shortly.

[0:59:18] Trustee Luckham: Okay why don't we ask for him to

[0:59:20] Trustee Luckham: include that in his report. So thank you William for coming on stream. All right

[0:59:29] Trustee Luckham: so that covers it for business arising from the minutes. Applications and

[0:59:36] Trustee Luckham: referrals there's nothing uh for us today so here we are local trust committee projects of course

[0:59:41] Trustee Luckham: 8.1 the official office community plan it says i'm sure it meant to say official community plan

[0:59:48] Trustee Luckham: uh project status update um and this is a memorandum for our consideration

[0:59:54] Trustee Luckham: um there's not any specific direction there's some in some implied suggestions

[1:00:00] Trustee Luckham: but I'll turn it over to Regional Planning Manager Heather Cowart to

[1:00:07] Trustee Luckham: provide us an update based on this memorandum and see whether or not there's any further action the

[1:00:14] Trustee Luckham: LTC would like to take.

[1:00:17] Voice 5: Okay thank you Chair. So in terms of process we are in the referral period

[1:00:25] Voice 5: after first reading of the draft bylaw and the referral period did get extended at the request of QRD.

[1:00:34] Voice 5: So they are still reviewing that document.

[1:00:38] Voice 5: And as you've seen, we've had several comments that have come in from the public.

[1:00:44] Voice 5: Procedurally, what we would typically do as staff is we would take those bits of court,

[1:00:50] Voice 5: everything that comes in during that referral period from agencies and from the public,

[1:00:56] Voice 5: and we'd put that in a report for you to kind of give you a, and as attachments. So all the

[1:01:03] Voice 5: correspondence that would come in would be attachments to the staff report. And we anticipate

[1:01:08] Voice 5: having that staff report for you next meeting, because that'll be after the deadline has expired

[1:01:16] Voice 5: required for the referral period. So what we would typically also do at that point is take

[1:01:24] Voice 5: into account all of the comments that we've gotten and make any recommendations we might have

[1:01:31] Voice 5: for how you would amend your first reading draft of the bylaw. So we can have recommendations along

[1:01:39] Voice 5: along that line and that's what we would typically do.

[1:01:42] Voice 5: But of course, you as the LTC have the right

[1:01:47] Voice 5: to make amendments of your own.

[1:01:50] Voice 5: So if you come to the next meeting

[1:01:54] Voice 5: and you have specific amendments that you'd like to see

[1:01:58] Voice 5: to the first reading document, you can bring those

[1:02:01] Voice 5: and then if you're ready to consider amendments

[1:02:06] Voice 5: to the bylaw at the next meeting.

[1:02:09] Voice 5: Those, you would be considering motions

[1:02:12] Voice 5: that I'm recommending and maybe considering motions

[1:02:15] Voice 5: that any of the trustees might wanna make as well.

[1:02:20] Voice 5: So that's kind of in terms of process

[1:02:22] Voice 5: how we would normally do this.

[1:02:23] Voice 5: And then typically after second reading

[1:02:26] Voice 5: or at the same time that I'm having you

[1:02:29] Voice 5: consider second reading,

[1:02:30] Voice 5: we would recommend that you move on to a CIM.

[1:02:33] Voice 5: So that would probably be the next step

[1:02:36] Voice 5: after the second reading um and um yeah so that's where we are in terms of in terms of process

[1:02:44] Voice 5: um there have been some questions that have come in and i'll just kind of address those as well

[1:02:50] Voice 5: um as you've seen and already mentioned that most a lot of the comments we've gotten have been about

[1:02:56] Voice 5: feral sheep and there are existing policies in the existing ocp about feral sheep and i think

[1:03:03] Voice 5: I think if I remember correctly, there were some recommendations by the local

[1:03:07] Voice 5: Leskete Community Association to amend some of those policies, but generally they didn't have

[1:03:14] Voice 5: a recommendation about changing those much because they couldn't come to agreement in their process

[1:03:22] Voice 5: about how those should change. And I think the comments that you're seeing from folks sort of

[1:03:28] Voice 5: reflect that, the diversity of opinions about what should be done. From a planning perspective

[1:03:37] Voice 5: and an OCP perspective, and this is just the planning side of things, the OCP is a land use

[1:03:47] Voice 5: document. And to that extent, feral sheep are not a topic that necessarily needs to be addressed in

[1:03:58] Voice 5: your OCP. And in fact, there's not, and I think you were kind of mentioning this too, there's not

[1:04:03] Voice 5: actually a lot that the OCP or the LUB can do about the issue. There's not a lot that, so I

[1:04:13] Voice 5: don't recommend that you spend a lot of time with this particular project trying to get the policies

[1:04:20] Voice 5: exactly right on feral sheep, because they're just, there's just not a lot of impact that can

[1:04:27] Voice 5: be had from that um i uh director fall had mentioned that he thinks that the wording can

[1:04:34] Voice 5: be amended to be neutral enough i think neutral enough to um address folks concerns about it um

[1:04:44] Voice 5: but you also have the option of just removing any policies regarding feral sheep from the ocp

[1:04:49] Voice 5: um if you if you want to do that because again they there's no impact the ocp can really have

[1:04:55] Voice 5: have on feral sheep. So that's that topic and kind of what I have to say about that.

[1:05:03] Voice 5: There were a couple of other questions. There is Mr. Varney had sent in an email and

[1:05:09] Voice 5: Trustee Johnston had asked me some questions around that. So one of the questions was about

[1:05:16] Voice 5: section 473 of the Local Government Act. And that section lists the specific topics that have to be,

[1:05:25] Voice 5: that are required to be addressed in an OCP by the province. And the question was,

[1:05:32] Voice 5: is the Liskety OCP exempt from section 473? And the answer is no. The Liskety OCP is required to

[1:05:40] Voice 5: meet their Section 473 like every OCP. But what often happens with OCPs is that they got adopted

[1:05:52] Voice 5: at a certain time, and there were certain requirements of OCPs at that time. And as long

[1:05:59] Voice 5: as the OCP kind of continues on, there's no requirement from the province to amend your OCP

[1:06:07] Voice 5: for new requirements. So unless you're doing a major update, and that depends on how the

[1:06:19] Voice 5: province defines a major update. So this has actually been one of the questions that I've had

[1:06:26] Voice 5: from the beginning of this project is how much of Section 473 is going to impact the requirements

[1:06:36] Voice 5: of this project. And I actually have a question into the ministry that is specific to that.

[1:06:46] Voice 5: My experience is that when you amend an OCP, the amendments that you make,

[1:06:54] Voice 5: if they are specific to certain topics, then you don't have to address other topics that are

[1:07:00] Voice 5: required, if that makes any sense. And so, for instance, there's a section in 473 that requires

[1:07:06] Voice 5: that you identify housing needs and number of units that you need over the next five years.

[1:07:15] Voice 5: What I understand from the province, that's a recent addition to the Local Government Act.

[1:07:22] Voice 5: And what I understand from the province is that if you're not addressing housing generally in

[1:07:27] Voice 5: your OCP, then you don't actually have to implement anything regarding that section.

[1:07:34] Voice 5: section so um so that's how i've proceeded but um because this question has come up for mr barney i

[1:07:43] Voice 5: have um proactively asked that the province about it to just confirm that what i've thought is true

[1:07:50] Voice 5: is true and i'll definitely let you know about that um one of the other questions was i think

[1:07:59] Voice 5: uh trustee johnston if i don't get this correct let me know but is that there was an assertion

[1:08:04] Voice 5: that the policies in the OCP aren't, I don't, I don't remember the exact wording, um, impactful,

[1:08:14] Voice 5: um, something like that. Um, and I see both sides of that argument. You know, one of the arguments

[1:08:22] Voice 5: is, um, you know, the pop, the way that the policies are drafted and the Laskity OCP are,

[1:08:30] Voice 5: are, as I've thought of them, aspirational.

[1:08:33] Voice 5: They are about the values of your community

[1:08:35] Voice 5: and they are generally the idea and the values

[1:08:40] Voice 5: that the Liskety community has,

[1:08:42] Voice 5: but they are not measurable goals.

[1:08:46] Voice 5: So, you know, there's nothing in the Liskety OCP that says,

[1:08:50] Voice 5: you know, within the next five years,

[1:08:52] Voice 5: we wanna have 20 more housing units on the island

[1:08:56] Voice 5: or within, you know, so there's nothing in your policies

[1:08:59] Voice 5: or objectives that you can measure in the future to say, have we been successful at meeting this

[1:09:06] Voice 5: goal? And I think that's, it's within your right as a community to have an OCP like it is, you know,

[1:09:15] Voice 5: where it's more aspirational than measurable. But I think that's, that was what Mr. Varney was

[1:09:21] Voice 5: commenting on. And it's a matter of opinion and choice on your part. It doesn't have to be

[1:09:28] Voice 5: measurable there's no requirement that it is um and there's still an understanding that the

[1:09:35] Voice 5: measurable part of your regulations is your land use bylaw your ocp is still a guiding document

[1:09:42] Voice 5: even if you have measurable um policies and objectives on it um so i think that's what i

[1:09:51] Voice 5: have to address at this point um and i can kind of turn it over to questions and discussion beyond

[1:09:59] Voice 5: on that

[1:09:59] Trustee Luckham: any uh questions for the regional planning manager was all of that that she said

[1:10:07] Trustee Luckham: i

[1:10:09] Voice 10: have just one comment right now that uh what uh what dick said i as i recall i i'm not sure of

[1:10:18] Voice 10: this that at a certain point in the ocp the word must or shall only appears twice after that he

[1:10:27] Voice 10: He thought it was not only, it should be measurable,

[1:10:30] Voice 10: but he thought it was very non-directive,

[1:10:33] Voice 10: I think is the word he used, or maybe that was mine.

[1:10:36] Voice 10: And I

[1:10:36] Voice 10: haven't checked to see if that's true.

[1:10:38] Voice 10: I expect it is,

[1:10:39] Voice 10: because it's really easy to find a word

[1:10:41] Voice 10: like will or shall or must.

[1:10:44] Voice 10: And I'm glad to hear that it's okay if we do do that.

[1:10:48] Voice 10: And thank you for that work and that explanation.

[1:10:56] Trustee Luckham: Tim, anything?

[1:11:00] Voice 8: Yeah, thank you Heather for that.

[1:11:02] Voice 8: and I'm interested to find out a little bit more about section 473 there and

[1:11:09] Voice 8: thanks thanks for doing that work and yeah I just wanted to say not to belabor

[1:11:17] Voice 8: not to belabor the sheep issue but I just wanted to state that my sense is

[1:11:22] Voice 8: is that there is not a clear community consensus

[1:11:29] Voice 8: to change the existing wording.

[1:11:35] Voice 8: And it may be that there'll be a larger

[1:11:42] Voice 8: long-term community discussion about it.

[1:11:45] Voice 8: I know there's some talk

[1:11:46] Voice 8: about a non-governmental organization doing some research.

[1:11:51] Voice 8: I think that research might inform the debate further but I agree it's not something that I

[1:11:58] Voice 8: want us to spend a lot of time on and and I think that it's one of those cases from my perspective

[1:12:07] Voice 8: that either a very light editing or perhaps even leaving it the way it is is probably the most

[1:12:16] Voice 8: the best way forward at this point because we have a lot of other stuff we want to do and we

[1:12:21] Voice 8: we don't want to spend tons of time talking about.

[1:12:24] Voice 8: As Heather pointed out something,

[1:12:26] Voice 8: we don't really have much jurisdiction to do anything over.

[1:12:33] Voice 10: Can I add to that?

[1:12:37] Voice 10: Our official plan, as Heather just said, is aspirational.

[1:12:41] Voice 10: It's to express the desires of the community.

[1:12:45] Voice 10: And I think that there are desires

[1:12:47] Voice 10: in the community around sheep.

[1:12:49] Voice 10: And I think it's important that we say something about them

[1:12:51] Voice 10: if there is to the extent that we can that has broad general agreement of the community.

[1:12:58] Voice 10: I think it's important that we keep talking about it, but not necessarily at local trust committee

[1:13:03] Voice 10: meetings or trust meetings at all, although from time to time it might be useful to use

[1:13:09] Voice 10: a formal meeting to have a community discussion. Is this time to start a slightly broader

[1:13:19] Voice 10: broader discussion. I have some questions about and some comments about the plan as

[1:13:25] Voice 10: a whole and how it's revised or how it will be revised.

[1:13:31] Trustee Luckham: Sure. So let's just see, have we covered, we can certainly go to that to seek some advice

[1:13:38] Trustee Luckham: from Heather on that. Is there anything more around the sheep or any other issue and reflecting

[1:13:47] Trustee Luckham: on that aspirational nature of the OCP.

[1:13:51] Trustee Luckham: And I do have a comment, but I'll go to Trustee Peterson

[1:13:54] Trustee Luckham: if you have anything to add.

[1:14:01] Trustee Luckham: So then in that case, then certainly I agree

[1:14:04] Trustee Luckham: with Heather's point of view on the aspirational vision

[1:14:09] Trustee Luckham: of the OCP and that it reflects the interests

[1:14:13] Trustee Luckham: of the community.

[1:14:14] Trustee Luckham: I think potentially it is difficult to capture

[1:14:20] Trustee Luckham: chapter the community's perspective on a number of things, and this is one of them.

[1:14:29] Trustee Luckham: And as Heather has suggested, one could say nothing about them, which may be seen as an

[1:14:36] Trustee Luckham: omission, but one could just simply recognize that they exist and it is a topic of discussion

[1:14:42] Trustee Luckham: discussion without necessarily implying one way or the other that anything should or could be done,

[1:14:50] Trustee Luckham: because indeed, in terms of should or could be done, it would require somebody else to do the

[1:14:57] Trustee Luckham: deed or whatever it is, you know, or not do something. So you'd want to reflect on that.

[1:15:05] Trustee Luckham: We, you know, I just become more and more cognizant of we could have lots of community

[1:15:12] Trustee Luckham: discussions about lots of things that we would just end up incorporating in an OCP to say

[1:15:18] Trustee Luckham: sheep live on the island and have a variety of interest by the community. And it could be

[1:15:25] Trustee Luckham: any other number of things, invasive species, any kind of invasive species or anything else.

[1:15:32] Trustee Luckham: So in terms of efficiency of the work that we do, just philosophically, I think we're better

[1:15:39] Trustee Luckham: off putting our resources and energy into those things that we can influence rather than the ones

[1:15:45] Trustee Luckham: that we can't necessarily influence. But I'd also be happy to be contested. That's my thoughts on

[1:15:55] Trustee Luckham: that. So with respect to Peter Johnson's question, broader, I think you're asking about direction,

[1:16:05] Trustee Luckham: And maybe you just want to rephrase your question that you have for the regional planning manager

[1:16:10] Trustee Luckham: about the broader project.

[1:16:13] Voice 10: Well, it's about this draft.

[1:16:16] Voice 10: My comments are about this draft, not the broader project, but the...

[1:16:21] Voice 10: Okay.

[1:16:21] Trustee Luckham: I think of that as the broader project.

[1:16:24] Trustee Luckham: So the draft as it exists now, which is in first reading, and there's, and in fact, I'll

[1:16:30] Trustee Luckham: just address the question that's in the memorandum is that there is the opportunity to

[1:16:37] Trustee Luckham: rescind first reading and rewrite it and then give first reading again and then go to second reading.

[1:16:46] Trustee Luckham: I'm inclined to actually want to get the second reading, make amendments at second reading,

[1:16:51] Trustee Luckham: because we have referred this out and this is the document that everybody's looking at.

[1:16:54] Trustee Luckham: If we made any changes, it begs the question of whether or not you would want to refer it out

[1:16:59] Trustee Luckham: again, not obligated to, but you might want to. And in which case, if we want to achieve

[1:17:05] Trustee Luckham: adopting the OCP and moving on with other work in the near future, the fewer delays that we can

[1:17:11] Trustee Luckham: build into this process, I personally think would be better. So if you have questions or comments

[1:17:18] Trustee Luckham: about this version, unfortunately we're not ready to discuss amendments that have come to us through

[1:17:27] Trustee Luckham: through a report from the referrals at this point,

[1:17:30] Trustee Luckham: because we don't have that in front of us,

[1:17:32] Trustee Luckham: but we will at our next meeting.

[1:17:34] Trustee Luckham: So over to you, Peter Johnson.

[1:17:37] Voice 10: Thank you.

[1:17:38] Voice 10: One of my questions and concerns is

[1:17:40] Voice 10: how will changes be made?

[1:17:42] Voice 10: Like, you know, are we going to spend hours and hours

[1:17:45] Voice 10: at a meeting talking about each one or, you know,

[1:17:49] Voice 10: the other, I have some fairly broad concerns

[1:17:55] Voice 10: about the way it is now.

[1:17:56] Voice 10: Now, I had a look at the official community plans from Gabriola, Gambier, Denman, and Hornby because they're close to us.

[1:18:04] Voice 10: And the first sections of this, section one and section two of our official community plan, don't seem to occur in theirs at all.

[1:18:13] Voice 10: That's a fairly legalistic stuff about background and history.

[1:18:18] Voice 10: There's a penalty clauses that are in almost,

[1:18:23] Voice 10: if not exactly word for word in our land use bylaw

[1:18:25] Voice 10: and our official community plan.

[1:18:27] Voice 10: I have questions about whether those are needed at all.

[1:18:31] Voice 10: And if they are needed, would they not be better

[1:18:33] Voice 10: as an appendix after them or as section,

[1:18:36] Voice 10: to be greeted with this seems.

[1:18:40] Voice 10: The other thing that I have and I have expressed

[1:18:44] Voice 10: at meetings is some difficulty with how it has been edited, I guess, is the word.

[1:18:54] Voice 10: And how do I get to express this?

[1:18:58] Voice 10: There's a section, and I don't have it in front of me right now.

[1:19:02] Voice 10: I could drag it up in a minute or two, in which the voice of the list, and it's quite

[1:19:10] Voice 10: near the beginning.

[1:19:10] Voice 10: I can't remember, nine or 12 points.

[1:19:15] Voice 10: And the first five or six are in sentences.

[1:19:18] Voice 10: The community wants this.

[1:19:21] Voice 10: And then the last four or five are just point form.

[1:19:27] Voice 10: I don't even remember what they are.

[1:19:29] Voice 10: Sorting sheep or counting trees or something.

[1:19:33] Voice 10: It just needs a lot of work of editing to make it read like a coherent document that wasn't sort of mashed together from various parts.

[1:19:43] Voice 10: uh and i i wonder how that gets done you know once we're past the or does that get done before we get

[1:19:50] Voice 10: to the uh substantive issues that there are to discuss so i i don't know heather i i think i

[1:19:59] Voice 10: don't know if i actually i wrote an email to you about the part one and part two i don't know if

[1:20:04] Voice 10: i said it to you or i just kept it um

[1:20:10] Voice 5: time to respond um okay so to the first to the first

[1:20:20] Voice 5: point about your sections i just i also want to say this and that is that um uh planning staff

[1:20:29] Voice 5: will be will be presenting to ec i think this week the idea of coming to trust council with

[1:20:37] Voice 5: the idea of having a standardized OCP template. So that we all have, so all of the OCPs when they

[1:20:50] Voice 5: get updated would have standardized organization. So you, you know, everybody has the same first

[1:20:57] Voice 5: section, second section, you know, so that at least the order of the document is similar and

[1:21:04] Voice 5: and easier to use.

[1:21:06] Voice 5: And so this question of whether or not,

[1:21:09] Voice 5: and what we haven't quite figured out,

[1:21:11] Voice 5: I mean, I think this project is far enough along

[1:21:14] Voice 5: that that process, if we do end up deciding to do a template,

[1:21:19] Voice 5: may not apply to this document.

[1:21:22] Voice 5: You know, a lot of the comments that we received

[1:21:24] Voice 5: from the LCA were about organization.

[1:21:27] Voice 5: They really felt like certain sections

[1:21:29] Voice 5: should be moved around kind of thing, right?

[1:21:33] Voice 5: Right. So but when you ask the question, that's what I think of.

[1:21:38] Voice 5: You know, we probably will end up recommending that there be a template.

[1:21:43] Voice 5: And it's pretty common to have a background section with demographics in the beginning of the document and not necessarily charts and tables and those kinds of things, but to have some demographic information.

[1:21:58] Voice 5: information. So, I mean, right now, it's up to you. Well, it's always going to be up to you

[1:22:05] Voice 5: because these are your documents. And you can ask for that amendment now. But all of the amendments

[1:22:14] Voice 5: that you're talking about right now are ones that we hadn't contemplated as part of the scope of

[1:22:21] Voice 5: this project and so if we do that work it will expand the scope of the project and it will take

[1:22:28] Voice 5: longer to do it we hadn't planned on editing it for um the kinds of things that you're talking

[1:22:36] Voice 5: about

[1:22:37] Trustee Luckham: uh so that probably raises more questions but um i'll give tim an opportunity and and i

[1:22:48] Trustee Luckham: I certainly raises a question for me I'd like to ask Tim yeah

[1:22:56] Voice 8: Thank You chair um

[1:22:58] Voice 8: I mean I I think that that it's you know from my perspective it's okay that our

[1:23:09] Voice 8: OCP might not look you know like our neighbors in the in the beginning and I

[1:23:16] Voice 8: And I sort of take the regional planning manager's point

[1:23:21] Voice 8: that our version, this revision is coming before

[1:23:30] Voice 8: perhaps a process to do some more standardization

[1:23:33] Voice 8: across the trust area.

[1:23:35] Voice 8: That being the case, I think if trustee Johnson or myself

[1:23:45] Voice 8: or other members of the public really feel

[1:23:48] Voice 8: that there's some need to uh to edit or uh you know change things that uh what i'm sort of hearing

[1:23:58] Voice 8: is that uh if we want to do this in a expedited timely manner that uh that perhaps we need to

[1:24:05] Voice 8: uh submit some of those edits and uh that's the way to make uh things happen in a more timely

[1:24:13] Voice 8: manner we're sending saying please edit this and then your staff brings it back and we don't like

[1:24:21] Voice 8: your edit I mean that's that's clearly not a very good way for anybody to to move forward so

[1:24:29] Voice 8: that would be sort of my my suggestion there and I just want to say that I'm

[1:24:37] Voice 8: I was a little bemused by the explosion of the sheep question and I'm quite curious and

[1:24:45] Voice 8: interested to see what other comments about the draft we might receive.

[1:24:54] Voice 8: I think we're sort of in a situation where lots of times people don't sort of pay attention

[1:25:01] Voice 8: until they get up in arms about something.

[1:25:04] Voice 8: In this case, an issue that's not really that relevant

[1:25:09] Voice 8: to our function as land use regulators here,

[1:25:14] Voice 8: but I'm hoping that we're gonna have

[1:25:18] Voice 8: some more thoughtful reads from the public

[1:25:21] Voice 8: and maybe some more feedback on all the rest

[1:25:25] Voice 8: of what is in the draft at this point.

[1:25:31] Voice 8: get some more some more public input that's on other topics thanks uh

[1:25:40] Trustee Luckham: heather you want to speak

[1:25:41] Trustee Luckham: to that yeah i

[1:25:42] Voice 5: mean um to uh trustee peterson's point um yes if if the trustees if you want to

[1:25:50] Voice 5: go through the document and have recommendations about anything in any updated language you can

[1:25:56] Voice 5: always bring those forward and um and what we've what we've kind of done on other islands gabriel

[1:26:04] Voice 5: as one is that if a trustee has a series of amendments that they're thinking about doing,

[1:26:12] Voice 5: we have had an individual trustees forward that to staff and then staff can review it

[1:26:18] Voice 5: and then bring back recommendations to the full LTC. And we need enough time to do that. If

[1:26:26] Voice 5: there's a lot of edits, it's still going to expand our timeline, but that is the most efficient way

[1:26:32] Voice 5: is if the trustees themselves have recommended amendments.

[1:26:37] Voice 10: Okay, thank you.

[1:26:38] Voice 10: That's very helpful.

[1:26:39] Voice 5: Yeah.

[1:26:42] Voice 10: Can I ask, sorry, Heather,

[1:26:45] Voice 10: have many people requested printed copies

[1:26:48] Voice 10: of the proposal, proposed bylaw?

[1:26:51] Voice 5: I don't think so.

[1:26:52] Voice 5: Will might actually know better.

[1:26:53] Voice 5: I think we've had one request for a printed copy.

[1:26:57] Voice 10: Well, I hope that means everyone else

[1:26:59] Voice 10: is connected to the internet

[1:27:00] Voice 10: as you're reading it carefully on screen.

[1:27:02] Voice 10: actually

[1:27:03] Voice 6: it's probably i'm guessing closer to between 10 and 15 oh okay so good all right i've

[1:27:10] Voice 6: been sending them out on a fairly regular basis might be closer to 10 okay thank

[1:27:16] Voice 9: you that's more

[1:27:17] Voice 9: encouraging than one or two thank you

[1:27:20] Trustee Luckham: so heather thank you for um your advice there particularly

[1:27:25] Trustee Luckham: around that if trustees have edits that they would like to make that they send them to you

[1:27:31] Trustee Luckham: not to all of us

[1:27:33] Voice 11: was the

[1:27:34] Trustee Luckham: implication there right right to you and that could

[1:27:39] Trustee Luckham: come back to us in a report ideally with all the other referral comments and that

[1:27:44] Trustee Luckham: would be a I think a really rich opportunity to allocate as Peter said a

[1:27:50] Trustee Luckham: bunch of time to actually going through it almost line by line if necessary or

[1:27:55] Trustee Luckham: section by section anyway to determine whether or not the results that you

[1:28:01] Trustee Luckham: you bring to us are representative of what the trustees want to see this document look like is

[1:28:07] Trustee Luckham: that correct yes so the other thing that i can't help but there was another oh yeah well there's

[1:28:19] Trustee Luckham: two things but i'll go with the first one um just wondering in context of the regional

[1:28:27] Trustee Luckham: planning service now and the big OCP, well, alignment, we'll call it. I don't like to use

[1:28:38] Trustee Luckham: the word template, but alignment, that given that Liskiti is already significantly underway on this,

[1:28:48] Trustee Luckham: I'm guessing maybe it's not going to be completely picked up in the regional

[1:28:54] Trustee Luckham: process however it might be helpful given that this is going to be approved in this term and

[1:29:03] Trustee Luckham: then be set aside that some of the major aspects would form and call it form and character of what

[1:29:11] Trustee Luckham: an OCP looks like it would be nice if that could be embraced to essentially capture some of the

[1:29:17] Trustee Luckham: elements that Peter brought up earlier with the preamble and the postamble and whatever else.

[1:29:24] Trustee Luckham: When somebody opens it and looks at it, the bylaws look the same amongst islands and can

[1:29:31] Trustee Luckham: be interpreted in a similar way by bylaw enforcement, which is actually an important

[1:29:36] Trustee Luckham: part of the puzzle. And that prescriptive stuff in the beginning about how to appeal or

[1:29:45] Trustee Luckham: complaint or whatever it is that happens to be in there if that's an appendix or

[1:29:50] Trustee Luckham: does indeed because of the legislation and the way bylaw needs to look for

[1:29:57] Trustee Luckham: folks to bring their attention to the

[1:30:00] Trustee Luckham: important parts, if that absolutely must be in the beginning, then we just need to have that

[1:30:04] Trustee Luckham: looking consistent, look and feel consistent across the trust. So just wondering what you

[1:30:08] Trustee Luckham: think about that. And then I do have one other comment.

[1:30:12] Voice 5: Yeah, I have to comment. We having as

[1:30:17] Voice 5: much input on that, I think is helpful for the team. And I think that's what I'm hearing is that

[1:30:27] Voice 5: that the Laskiti project could inform this standardization,

[1:30:35] Voice 5: not template, whatever word we're using.

[1:30:39] Voice 5: Yeah, we're thinking of it as style and structure.

[1:30:44] Voice 5: So yeah, I mean, we're glad to have all those comments.

[1:30:50] Voice 5: Okay,

[1:30:51] Trustee Luckham: so my only other thought here,

[1:30:54] Trustee Luckham: and I'm sort of reluctant to wade into this, that although I think we agree that feral sheep

[1:31:06] Trustee Luckham: are outside of our jurisdiction to do anything about one way or the other, I think we can't

[1:31:13] Trustee Luckham: not help but recognize on our preserve and protect mandate whether or not the environment is being

[1:31:19] Trustee Luckham: affected, positively or negatively, with respect to that situation. So I just throw that out there.

[1:31:29] Trustee Luckham: If there is something we're doing, it's actually about how it is we would facilitate, or not,

[1:31:40] Trustee Luckham: the preservation and protection of the natural environment. I just throw that out.

[1:31:46] Trustee Luckham: so with respect to the memorandum here we've asked some questions some suggestions from staff

[1:31:51] Trustee Luckham: to send in edits is there anything more we need to discuss here peter johnson you had your hand up

[1:31:56] Voice 10: i've got two things one the first one is a question for heather what what is the best way to

[1:32:01] Voice 10: send you uh suggested changes or edits is it to send you the ocp and a pdf with my comments on it

[1:32:10] Voice 10: uh or is it to to just send you an email with on page uh six line 15 section two

[1:32:18] Voice 10: what is there a preferred easier way for you to deal with all those things

[1:32:23] Voice 10: work

[1:32:26] Voice 5: my preferred method is if you do track changes in word um if you're if you're familiar

[1:32:33] Voice 5: with that or use that function that's probably the easiest thing because it'll it'll show me

[1:32:38] Voice 5: who the editor is and what'll end up happening is it'll make comments in the side automatically i

[1:32:45] Voice 5: don't know if you've used track changes

[1:32:46] Voice 10: i i have not but i'm okay i'm happy to learn that so if i

[1:32:50] Voice 10: get get the uh the proposed bylaw in word find track changes and activate that and then send

[1:32:58] Voice 10: that and when i've done it and prepared it sent that to you yeah

[1:33:02] Voice 5: that would be great

[1:33:03] Voice 10: okay i'm i'm

[1:33:04] Voice 10: happy to try to figure that out and i assume it's relatively easy uh my second comment is more

[1:33:10] Voice 10: general it really is about our official community plan is full of advocacy policies and there are

[1:33:16] Voice 10: things over which we have no control but we're asking other bodies other governments provincial

[1:33:21] Voice 10: federal uh and individuals to do or not do things and and saying why we think they're important

[1:33:29] Voice 10: important. The feral sheep, as you say, do have an impact on the environment, and some people think

[1:33:35] Voice 10: that's positive, and some people think that's negative, and I'm coming to believe that it's

[1:33:40] Voice 10: positive in some places and negative in other places, that by and large, either individuals

[1:33:47] Voice 10: or neighborhoods regulate the number of sheep by various methods, feeding them, encouraging them

[1:33:56] Voice 10: by having dogs that they let run loose and harass and kill sheep, by shooting them and either letting

[1:34:05] Voice 10: the scavengers eat them by shooting them and making dog food or pet food out of them, or by

[1:34:12] Voice 10: shooting them, or I shouldn't say shooting because that's not the only way of killing a sheep,

[1:34:16] Voice 10: and using them to eat themselves or for public events. You know, I've always encouraged people

[1:34:23] Voice 10: people who think there are too many sheep to eat one,

[1:34:26] Voice 10: share it with their neighbors.

[1:34:28] Voice 10: But I think these are really important issues

[1:34:31] Voice 10: that we must address in our official community plan

[1:34:34] Voice 10: because that's the only place they can be addressed

[1:34:38] Voice 10: that we really can't have bylaw enforcement

[1:34:40] Voice 10: doing anything about sheep

[1:34:42] Voice 10: and we can't put them in the land use bylaw.

[1:34:45] Voice 10: And it's an issue that the community needs to work out,

[1:34:48] Voice 10: not necessarily, as I said,

[1:34:50] Voice 10: through the local trust committee,

[1:34:52] Voice 10: but it's a way of gathering what consensus there is.

[1:34:57] Voice 10: I think there's a pretty good consensus that we would like more information,

[1:35:02] Voice 10: even those few who want to preserve and protect all the sheep.

[1:35:10] Voice 10: And I should say this, there are at least a few people on the island

[1:35:15] Voice 10: that truly believe that the Islands Trust is out to eliminate all the sheep on Laskete Island.

[1:35:22] Voice 10: And I say, you know, I don't see any evidence of that.

[1:35:26] Voice 10: And I'm told various things that a resident here who was a trustee and chair of the trust many years ago shot a number of sheep on his property.

[1:35:36] Voice 10: And, you know, that's evidence that the Islands Trust wants to get rid of it.

[1:35:40] Voice 10: You know, that there's it's almost like QAnon and this vast conspiracy in our microcosm to eliminate sheep from Luskete.

[1:35:50] Voice 10: And there possibly is or are a few people who want to do that. I haven't met them, or at least they haven't told me that they want to do that.

[1:36:01] Voice 10: But it's a big and important issue in the community that I think that we need to recognize and do what we can to foster as much agreement as we can.

[1:36:14] Voice 10: Thank you. Sorry for the rant.

[1:36:18] Trustee Luckham: Thank you. I feel obligated to say, not only as the chair of the Leskete LTC, but the chair of

[1:36:24] Trustee Luckham: Trust Council, and certainly there are questions about the absence of sheep on many of the other

[1:36:31] Trustee Luckham: islands. However, there is not an interest in eradicating the sheep necessarily from all the

[1:36:40] Trustee Luckham: islands that I'm aware of. There are lots of issues surrounding it, so it's more management

[1:36:46] Trustee Luckham: As with anything, it's all about management, about preservation and protection of the lands

[1:36:52] Trustee Luckham: and the Islands Trust.

[1:36:53] Trustee Luckham: And I think the other element which doesn't often get raised, that I personally think

[1:36:58] Trustee Luckham: about from time to time, is the humane aspects of the well-being of those animals.

[1:37:07] Trustee Luckham: And lots of people bring the full spectrum of conversation to the table.

[1:37:12] Trustee Luckham: and so sure there's definitely room for us to say something about what the community thinks and

[1:37:21] Trustee Luckham: maybe you say everything about what the community thinks I don't know but that's to be decided so

[1:37:28] Trustee Luckham: I would suggest submit your edits or your recommendations on that section and that might

[1:37:33] Trustee Luckham: be the biggest challenge that the staff have with respect to writing the OCP but that obviously

[1:37:40] Trustee Luckham: would come back to us for discussion and ultimately decision on the final wording

[1:37:45] Trustee Luckham: because staff are not going to write it because the staff are also not interested in the eradication

[1:37:51] Trustee Luckham: of sheep. And staff are welcome to have their own points of view on the subject as well. But at the

[1:37:58] Trustee Luckham: end of the day, it's us that make the decision. So let's take that responsibility and carry on.

[1:38:05] Trustee Luckham: Where are we? Anything else? I think we're identified how we're going to send materials

[1:38:10] Trustee Luckham: into Heather, and ideally we'll see a fresh copy or we'll see everything that has come to us

[1:38:20] Trustee Luckham: and have the opportunity to make amendments prior to second reading and a community information

[1:38:26] Trustee Luckham: meeting. I think that's what you suggested, Heather. Is that correct? Yeah. Are we okay

[1:38:31] Trustee Luckham: Okay, with that, have we talked this one enough?

[1:38:36] Trustee Luckham: Go ahead, Heather.

[1:38:37] Voice 5: Sorry, are all of the trustees interested

[1:38:39] Voice 5: in getting a word version

[1:38:40] Voice 5: that they can make suggested changes to?

[1:38:44] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, sure, why don't you circulate that?

[1:38:46] Voice 5: All right.

[1:38:47] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[1:38:50] Trustee Luckham: All right then, so I'm gonna now move on

[1:38:53] Trustee Luckham: to the highly anticipated Peaks Lake Water Project.

[1:38:57] Trustee Luckham: We have a verbal update from William Shulbar,

[1:39:00] Trustee Luckham: a freshwater specialist.

[1:39:01] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, William, for joining us today and hope that you are well and I wish you a Happy

[1:39:07] Trustee Luckham: New Year.

[1:39:07] Trustee Luckham: I don't think I've seen you since we started.

[1:39:10] Trustee Luckham: Maybe I have and I was too busy to notice.

[1:39:13] Trustee Luckham: Apologies for that.

[1:39:14] Trustee Luckham: Really great to see you here.

[1:39:15] Trustee Luckham: I love your background, by the way.

[1:39:16] Trustee Luckham: I was diving yesterday and that's exactly what it looks like.

[1:39:20] Voice 2: Great.

[1:39:20] Voice 2: Thank you, Chair.

[1:39:22] Voice 2: Yeah.

[1:39:22] Voice 2: Yeah, I don't know if you've seen my octopus teacher,

[1:39:30] Voice 2: but it was a pretty good film about a fellow diving

[1:39:34] Voice 2: and other interactions with the sea life.

[1:39:39] Voice 2: Anywho, I think this is eelgrass in the background.

[1:39:43] Voice 2: So yeah, I will just give a brief update

[1:39:47] Voice 2: on the Peets Lake Water Users Project.

[1:39:51] Voice 2: and I think it's broadly known as the water sustainability top priority

[1:39:54] Voice 2: project for Muskegee Island and as you may or may not know the regional wall

[1:40:00] Voice 2: trustee Peterson knows because he's on the committee the regional planning

[1:40:03] Voice 2: committee is undertaking the freshwater sustainability strategy project in and

[1:40:09] Voice 2: through that project has been gaining traction and and attraction as we as we

[1:40:16] Voice 2: go forward and we are pleased to be shortly receiving confirmation on a grant from the

[1:40:25] Voice 2: healthy watersheds initiative from watersheds bc it's a covid relief fund that was promised

[1:40:34] Voice 2: by the federal government of the tune of 27 million dollars and we've identified

[1:40:43] Voice 2: We have identified three implementation projects in the Islands Trust area, and this is from the interest and the support of the LTCs in watershed protection and water resources.

[1:40:57] Voice 2: So we have identified the Hornby Water Stewardship and also the Peets Lake Water User Society as our implementation projects for the fund.

[1:41:09] Voice 2: and um so we are we are hoping to get confirmation for the fund uh this week um we have asked for

[1:41:19] Voice 2: 25 000 for the pete's lake water users society to undertake detailed water quality assessments

[1:41:27] Voice 2: and some other areas of the project that will have to be discussed with the society

[1:41:33] Voice 2: and we have just found out that there is a another freshwater grant that is

[1:41:41] Voice 2: available from the federal government that's a matching fund so it's

[1:41:45] Voice 2: potential that we can increase that project to to upwards of $50,000 so

[1:41:52] Voice 2: nurse and I are working through that right now and so that that that is really

[1:42:00] Voice 2: exciting and that will allow us to take a detailed look at the project for the next 10 months

[1:42:09] Voice 2: and then have project funding pretty much till the end of term. And so packaged with that is

[1:42:17] Voice 2: also all the work that I've been doing with Pete's Lake and the Boyle Water Advisory with Island

[1:42:23] Voice 2: Island Health. And I have concluded my interviews and the investigation that I had as the original

[1:42:31] Voice 2: project in the project charter. And so I will be then kind of packaging that now with this new

[1:42:39] Voice 2: project. So essentially what we will do is identify the areas and the direction that we

[1:42:49] Voice 2: we would need to go to satisfy some of Island health's requirements or

[1:42:53] Voice 2: questions, um,

[1:42:56] Voice 2: as well as I'll be providing a detailed analysis on the boil water advisory,

[1:43:00] Voice 2: the perspective of Island health and the ministry of health,

[1:43:04] Voice 2: which are not synonymous and, and, or,

[1:43:09] Voice 2: or synchronous in some, in some areas. And, and so that,

[1:43:13] Voice 2: that will then complete that investigation.

[1:43:16] Voice 2: but then the hopes is that there will be a a project coming out of there so that

[1:43:22] Voice 2: can also I wanted I don't want to speak for the society because this will be

[1:43:27] Voice 2: largely their project and I'll be supporting it and will be kind of like

[1:43:34] Voice 2: the grantors of the funds and so I've been in just brief contact with them to

[1:43:41] Voice 2: get a signaling that there will be willing to participate in the in the

[1:43:45] Voice 2: strategy and the implementation project so that's really exciting that's all happening right now

[1:43:50] Voice 2: so i'll be reporting back to the ltc at your next meeting with more concrete project planning and

[1:43:59] Voice 2: i'll update the project charter for your review and for your updates if you wish to put them in

[1:44:05] Voice 2: as well as i'll be providing a staff report finally on the investigation that i did of the

[1:44:11] Voice 2: the oil water advisory.

[1:44:14] Voice 2: So I think I'll pause there for questions

[1:44:18] Voice 2: and then I'll comment on Trustee Johnson's

[1:44:22] Voice 2: and Trustee Peterson's questions about proof of water.

[1:44:27] Voice 2: And so maybe I'll pause there for right now

[1:44:30] Voice 2: and then I'll make those comments

[1:44:31] Voice 2: about proof of water after, yeah.

[1:44:34] Voice 2: If there are any, Chair.

[1:44:35] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, William, good strategy.

[1:44:37] Trustee Luckham: and so let's go to trustee see if there's any questions how about i start with trustee peterson

[1:44:43] Trustee Luckham: thank

[1:44:49] Voice 8: you chair and thanks for being here william and all your work on behalf of the residents and

[1:44:56] Voice 8: the water quality in the whole trust area um that's really exciting news about the possible

[1:45:02] Voice 8: granting and and and uh or sounds like it's more than possible potential maybe even almost there

[1:45:10] Voice 8: and I know that that's gonna be welcome news for for the society and all the

[1:45:17] Voice 8: folks that rely on that as their water supply so I'm quite happy to hear about

[1:45:21] Voice 8: that I guess I don't have a lot of questions just wanted to sort of I'm

[1:45:30] Voice 8: assuming that sort of the parts of it that I'm not really clear on are going

[1:45:36] Voice 8: going to be made more clear uh when you do do some more reporting to us that i feel like i need to

[1:45:43] Voice 8: pepper you with a whole bunch of how it's going to work at this point but just appreciation for

[1:45:47] Voice 8: your work thank you thank you okay

[1:45:50] Trustee Luckham: thank you d peterson trustee johnson um

[1:45:54] Voice 10: my i my major

[1:45:58] Voice 10: concern here is that the liskety local trust committee has two projects or two top priorities

[1:46:06] Voice 10: that we're working on in the OCP review

[1:46:10] Voice 10: and the freshwater Peets Lake water users.

[1:46:13] Voice 10: And it's the Peets Lake, not Peets Lake water users.

[1:46:18] Voice 10: And I'm feeling a little bit like I need to ask,

[1:46:23] Voice 10: how does this benefit the whole island?

[1:46:25] Voice 10: Is this amount of energy that goes into it,

[1:46:29] Voice 10: does it benefit the whole island?

[1:46:31] Voice 2: That's a simple answer. Peace Lake Water User Society provides water to essential services on

[1:46:40] Voice 2: the island that everyone uses. That's just a cut and dry start to that answer, but then going

[1:46:52] Voice 2: Going forward, a larger project can look at a watershed protection perspective, but really

[1:47:04] Voice 2: focusing on ensuring that there's a sustainable supply being sent to town.

[1:47:13] Voice 2: because right now the alternative supply for the last resort society and and like provisions and

[1:47:23] Voice 2: and some other essential services downtown is is not identified another kind of aspect that I

[1:47:34] Voice 2: I had brief discussions with the board

[1:47:38] Voice 2: is to potentially identify a community supply

[1:47:45] Voice 2: or a community backup supply from Peaks Lake

[1:47:51] Voice 2: for someone on the island if they run into water issues.

[1:47:56] Voice 2: Because right now I think you can maybe buy water

[1:48:00] Voice 2: at the hotel or not, I'm not sure.

[1:48:02] Voice 2: And that's not a community supply.

[1:48:04] Voice 2: that's just being privately managed and I'm not sure if they even have a

[1:48:08] Voice 2: groundwater license yet there so that that could be another strategy but again

[1:48:13] Voice 2: I don't want to speak for the society on that perspective but my my biggest

[1:48:19] Voice 2: concern right now is to is to determine a sustainable path forward for the

[1:48:28] Voice 2: community amenities and of course because the other domestic users are on

[1:48:33] Voice 2: the same water supply they'll benefit from that and it is a fair percentage of your population as

[1:48:39] Voice 2: well oh

[1:48:40] Voice 10: i i agree with that and it's very important to those people and to a large extent it's

[1:48:45] Voice 10: important to the community but it is is it not primarily a water quality project um

[1:48:53] Voice 2: well this

[1:48:55] Voice 2: This, yeah, it's also a governance project as well.

[1:49:00] Voice 2: So the unique amenities of Laskete Island, being an alternative power generating community,

[1:49:15] Voice 2: as well as most likely the most remote Islands Trust area community,

[1:49:21] Voice 2: community, um, presents some significant challenges, which has largely cornered the

[1:49:29] Voice 2: Peets Lake Water Users Society into the temporary boil water advisory. And it's an advisory and,

[1:49:37] Voice 2: and everyone who's associated with that advisory agrees that there is advisory technique, uh,

[1:49:44] Voice 2: fatigue and, and boil water advisories are not a long-term solution. There are some people

[1:49:49] Voice 2: in a society who believe that a long-term boil water advisory or boil water treatment

[1:49:54] Voice 2: strategy is is a solution i'm i'm i'm not too certain of that but that's that's been

[1:50:02] Voice 2: you know been been discussed but an advisory is an advisory it's not a long-term solution so

[1:50:09] Voice 2: if there's i mean if there's a better idea than getting water from pete's lake i'm all for it and

[1:50:16] Voice 2: And or I'm all for that, that investigation.

[1:50:19] Voice 2: And there has been efforts to look at alternative supply, like Alcoa did a preliminary study of groundwater potential on around Pete's Lake, which probably was not the best way to look, but that was what the project was looking for.

[1:50:36] Voice 2: And that wasn't that fruitful.

[1:50:38] Voice 2: So, you know, for the Last Resource Society, for the school, for the library, and, you know, for the foreseeable future, the water is coming from Pete's Lake.

[1:50:54] Voice 2: So to find a solution to the Boil Water Advisory is a governance issue.

[1:51:01] Voice 2: As much as you're right, it is a water quality issue as well.

[1:51:04] Voice 10: The school treats its own water and that's with health department approval.

[1:51:09] Voice 10: The last resort has treatment facilities that meet all the standards,

[1:51:13] Voice 10: but health won't approve it. Yes.

[1:51:16] Voice 2: And I

[1:51:16] Voice 10: don't know at this point what,

[1:51:17] Voice 10: what any of the other businesses are doing. I don't know if the fire hall,

[1:51:22] Voice 10: well, the fire hall has access to the health center's water for potable water

[1:51:27] Voice 10: for washing and cleaning and that kind of thing. Right.

[1:51:30] Voice 10: You know, the provisions must do something.

[1:51:32] Voice 10: Yeah,

[1:51:33] Voice 2: Provisions has a water treatment system, but they're also in a boil water advisory. And that's not because of their treatment system failing. It's because of Islands Health lack of trust of the raw water coming from Pete's Lake.

[1:51:52] Voice 2: but oddly the school has their operating permit which uses the

[1:51:58] Voice 2: same raw water which again leads

[1:52:00] Voice 2: to the discussion it's a governance issue as well as a water quality issue and i

[1:52:05] Voice 2: and and you know

[1:52:07] Voice 2: and you have very pragmatic i think might be the right term um residents of your island so that

[1:52:14] Voice 2: they've already been looking at some low cost water treatment options or water quality fixes

[1:52:22] Voice 2: is like a slow sand filter at the at the head or at the head of the system at the lake which is

[1:52:28] Voice 2: you know under research right now um and and so essentially what what this project would do like

[1:52:38] Voice 2: if we get funded is is to it's very expensive to take water quality samples and get them off

[1:52:46] Voice 2: fluskete and to Nanaimo or to Courtney. I mean, one sample can cost like $200, um, just for

[1:52:54] Voice 2: bacteria. And, and that's all we'll be looking at right now is the coliforms and E. coli, um,

[1:53:01] Voice 2: potential. And so the, uh, Hornby water stewardship has been working with a company called

[1:53:08] Voice 2: Blue Water Biosciences, um, which also I presented to the board and they have been,

[1:53:16] Voice 2: testing it in some small capacity too and and those kits cost like ten dollars for a sample

[1:53:24] Voice 2: and they just need to be incubated like in a in a chicken egg incubator really and and so that

[1:53:31] Voice 2: would be something that would be done on island so what we could do is start targeting areas that

[1:53:37] Voice 2: that could potentially have the problems to to just identify if this is a system y problem or

[1:53:42] Voice 2: or a targeted problem that just answering that alone

[1:53:45] Voice 2: would be worth the investigation.

[1:53:48] Voice 2: And then also if we,

[1:53:52] Voice 2: through like through the board,

[1:53:53] Voice 2: if there's a need or an identification of a need

[1:53:57] Voice 2: for flow monitoring or something like that,

[1:53:59] Voice 2: that's there's enough capital expense money in this grant,

[1:54:03] Voice 2: which most grants don't have capital expense costs

[1:54:06] Voice 2: associated with them, but this one does.

[1:54:08] Voice 2: And I've identified up to $10,000 for capital expense,

[1:54:12] Voice 2: which would be like the testing kits and maybe flow meters or,

[1:54:15] Voice 2: or maybe storage, you know,

[1:54:17] Voice 2: like something that can really benefit the system. But, but I mean,

[1:54:22] Voice 2: let me be clear that yes, other areas in the Island's Trust area,

[1:54:27] Voice 2: I'm not really involved with extensive domestic use systems,

[1:54:33] Voice 2: right? Like, like there's problems everywhere.

[1:54:35] Voice 2: And like these small water systems, there's,

[1:54:38] Voice 2: there's similar problems across the Island's Trust area for sure.

[1:54:42] Voice 2: What I'm really concerned with is a sustainable water source for, you know, downtown Mesquite and assisting last resort society to get out of this governance stronghold that they're in,

[1:54:57] Voice 2: which like I'm not seeing the fairness in having the school having their operating permit on an older water treatment system.

[1:55:06] Voice 2: system and the last resource society who went through a construction permitting process and

[1:55:12] Voice 2: not getting their operating permit seems odd and so that's what i've been working on

[1:55:18] Voice 4: mostly and

[1:55:19] Voice 2: that's the that's the majority of my time this new project that came about was like oh wow we get

[1:55:25] Voice 2: we get funding and we can have an implementation project this is sweet because the last thing i'll

[1:55:30] Voice 2: mention about this and and it's um and i brought this up at our freshwater sustainability strategy

[1:55:35] Voice 2: session with with cao hotson peller and and the rest of this and some select staff that issues

[1:55:42] Voice 2: like pete's lake water user society where the the the amount of rate payers is low the amount of

[1:55:51] Voice 2: rate for water is low and the infrastructure costs are significant usually much more than how much

[1:55:58] Voice 2: money those societies have in their in their bank account and and so this is i think is almost like

[1:56:05] Voice 2: a pilot on how Islands Trust can be trusted with this value of funds and being able to identify

[1:56:15] Voice 2: projects like this to demonstrate that there's value in pushing money to small islands. So this

[1:56:23] Voice 2: is indeed a demonstration implementation project. So again, to answer your question like why are

[1:56:30] Voice 2: spending all the time or why am i spending all the time that this um pilot project will also

[1:56:35] Voice 2: influence or or develop a methodology to have similar projects elsewhere in the islands trust

[1:56:40] Voice 2: area which is you know capitalizing and leveraging all my time spent on liskiti

[1:56:45] Voice 10: thank you do you can you the grant is for what period and and can that doesn't actually matter

[1:56:53] Voice 10: what i'm asking do you see an end to the project yeah so the

[1:56:57] Voice 2: yeah the granting is very ambitious

[1:56:59] Voice 2: is if we get it we have to spend it by december 2021 oh

[1:57:03] Voice 9: so

[1:57:04] Voice 2: yeah soon right so that would be the

[1:57:06] Voice 2: first step and then this other matching grant from uh eco canada um from the federal fund which is

[1:57:14] Voice 2: yeah matching that one is from 24 to 36 months so i think the idea would be is over the next

[1:57:21] Voice 2: 10 months that we would use the the healthy watersheds fund to develop the project and

[1:57:28] Voice 2: then have funding for another year or two to continue on the project and then hopefully by

[1:57:33] Voice 2: the end of that we have some deliverables like understanding what water quality problems there

[1:57:39] Voice 2: are targeted where they are maybe even targeting where there can be infrastructure upgrades and

[1:57:44] Voice 2: just determining all of that cost um and then you know and then getting a true answer from

[1:57:50] Voice 2: Island Health on considering the unique amenities of Laskete, how we're going to move forward

[1:57:57] Voice 2: coming out of the

[1:57:58] Voice 2: Boil Water Advisory, right? And so I'm hoping to have all that done by the

[1:58:02] Voice 2: end of term. Okay,

[1:58:04] Voice 10: thank you. I'm interested to hear your take on the proving water.

[1:58:12] Voice 10: Sure, yeah. So

[1:58:15] Trustee Luckham: is that it for the report, Pete's Lake? Okay, over to you, William, on water.

[1:58:21] Trustee Luckham: water sure

[1:58:22] Voice 2: so proof of water uh this is great this is like a little pet passion of mine so

[1:58:26] Voice 2: right now on salt spring island we're going through a new proof of water for land use bylaw

[1:58:32] Voice 2: and um jason yeomans and i have been working on that planner yeomans and it's with the province

[1:58:37] Voice 2: right now and they're reviewing it um so let me just put this in the in the clearest terms um

[1:58:45] Voice 2: um, proof of water will happen on subdivision period. Like trustee Johnson, I know you're

[1:58:51] Voice 2: saying that there's all this rain that falls on the landscape and, you know, just let her rip

[1:58:56] Voice 2: and, and let the residents live on it as they wish. And mostly that's happening if you live

[1:59:03] Voice 2: on a property that you own, but if you want to subdivide that property, um, it needs to be

[1:59:08] Voice 2: approved by the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure. The MOTI, the Transportation

[1:59:20] Voice 2: Infrastructure Ministry, has allowed Islands Trust to develop land use bylaws to determine

[1:59:31] Voice 2: how some of that subdivision process is undertaken, and one of them is proof of water.

[1:59:35] Voice 2: So there are some LTCs that don't have proof of water in their land use bylaw, like the Associated Islands of North Pender, including James Island, Sydney Island, which has been not an easy road.

[1:59:52] Voice 2: So in that case, if there's a subdivision that happens, that proof of water goes to MOTI and then they just

[2:00:00] Voice 2: they discern if there's a sufficient proof of water.

[2:00:06] Voice 2: And so if it's in the land use bylaw side,

[2:00:08] Voice 2: then MOTI will then not delegate,

[2:00:12] Voice 2: but allow that process to happen at the Islands Trust table.

[2:00:19] Voice 2: So there's some advantages to that,

[2:00:24] Voice 2: especially in the new era of the Water Sustainability Act

[2:00:28] Voice 2: and the amount of subdivision applications that have been going on.

[2:00:32] Voice 2: I know that Ministry of Transportation is starting to take a hard look

[2:00:38] Voice 2: at how they approve subdivisions based on water.

[2:00:43] Voice 2: So those goalposts may change.

[2:00:47] Voice 2: And so as they change, we're not privy to that or privy to that process.

[2:00:53] Voice 2: I may be, just because I'm working with provincial hydrogeologists

[2:00:57] Voice 2: and i might be an external peer reviewer at the end of the day if if the like if the local trust

[2:01:04] Voice 2: committee has proof of water you guys can say let it rip you know like the the proof of water

[2:01:12] Voice 2: requirements can be determined by the local trust committee like that's the so it's a card that you

[2:01:18] Voice 2: hold it's a power that you that you can either um use or you can it's a power you can give away

[2:01:25] Voice 2: way and so you know for it's it's almost like a level of

[2:01:29] Voice 2: if you look at that way rather than regulation

[2:01:34] Voice 2: so so that i mean that's a big thing about proof of water

[2:01:37] Voice 2: and and so like if it's part of a project

[2:01:41] Voice 2: like staff can do analysis on on on bringing back like how moti because it

[2:01:47] Voice 2: would be a good thing for me to undertake i

[2:01:48] Voice 2: be nice to interview with them to see actually how they do their proof of

[2:01:52] Voice 2: water um in areas that that don't have um in the areas of the island's trust area that don't have

[2:01:59] Voice 2: proof of water requiring some land use bylaw um because there is some consideration on other

[2:02:04] Voice 2: islands they're like we just want to give this up why don't we just let the province do it

[2:02:07] Voice 2: um but other other ltcs like the salt spring island ltc wants more stringent regulations like

[2:02:16] Voice 2: like, you know, and we've in that in that one, we've written that you can't subdivide on Doug

[2:02:23] Voice 2: Wells, where on Denman Island, I mean, there's a lot of Doug Wells, just because there's the

[2:02:28] Voice 2: Quadra Sand Aquifer there. And it makes sense to have Doug Wells. So so can be island specific,

[2:02:34] Voice 2: even though the work that we're doing on Salt Spring Island can be used elsewhere,

[2:02:41] Voice 2: elsewhere, that land use bylaw. I wouldn't go and implement it on Mesquite. But it can

[2:02:46] Voice 2: be prescriptive as well, which can help as well. So for determining proof of water for

[2:02:53] Voice 2: a groundwater well for pump testing, it can be prescriptive in a way where there's different

[2:02:59] Voice 2: levels of technical assessment that can be written into the land use bylaw. And it's

[2:03:08] Voice 2: It's also determining it, if there's a level of standardization in a proof of water, you

[2:03:16] Voice 2: don't need a professional engineer or geoscientist determining the entire process, which can

[2:03:23] Voice 2: be costly.

[2:03:24] Voice 2: And it actually can come down to if there's a plumber on Laskete Island that is also a

[2:03:32] Voice 2: registered pump installer, which I'm pretty sure there would be, that they can undertake

[2:03:36] Voice 2: take that work under direct supervision and the professional doesn't have to take the boat over

[2:03:43] Voice 2: to Liskiti right so so there there can be some some significant advantages of of having proof

[2:03:50] Voice 2: of water um at on in land use bylaw uh it can be seen as islands trust trying to you know control

[2:03:59] Voice 2: more stuff on Liskiti. But, you know, in this way, it's Islands Trust is the LTC and the LTC

[2:04:08] Voice 2: can determine through staff or with staff on how that looks rather than just turning over those

[2:04:15] Voice 2: keys to Victoria, to, you know, policymakers at MOTI. So that's kind of my comments on proof of

[2:04:24] Voice 2: of water.

[2:04:25] Voice 2: I think it's a powerful tool.

[2:04:26] Voice 2: I'm a proponent for it in land use bylaw

[2:04:30] Voice 2: because I think it can consider the unique amenities

[2:04:35] Voice 2: of each LTC.

[2:04:39] Voice 10: I think we'd need a very different,

[2:04:43] Voice 10: very varied proof of water,

[2:04:46] Voice 10: depending on which area of the Island we're talking about.

[2:04:48] Voice 10: Not quite each lot proposal,

[2:04:51] Voice 10: proposal, but each subdivision proposal would require, there wouldn't be one set of standards

[2:04:59] Voice 10: for the whole island, unless it was very detailed.

[2:05:03] Voice 10: The other thing is, it would certainly control subdivision, but it would have no influence

[2:05:08] Voice 10: on density.

[2:05:09] Voice 10: As you know, we've got a lot of density here without subdivision.

[2:05:13] Voice 10: There's a lot of communally owned, commonly owned tenants in common properties and houses

[2:05:20] Voice 10: is here and it would foster that so i i'm glad thank you for telling me the advantages i had

[2:05:26] Voice 10: no idea what they were other than we've got more control

[2:05:30] Voice 11: but

[2:05:32] Voice 10: with that comes a responsibility i

[2:05:34] Voice 10: don't know if uh if regional or local governments are sued now if somebody builds a house and there

[2:05:40] Voice 10: isn't enough water well it's a piece of property where they can't

[2:05:44] Voice 2: you know that's that's actually

[2:05:45] Voice 2: i've brought that up before and and i think it it's probably that could be considered as a as

[2:05:51] Voice 2: as a legal opinion.

[2:05:53] Voice 2: I know that we do have legal opinion

[2:05:58] Voice 2: and Chair Locke can step into this if you wish.

[2:06:01] Voice 2: I know that when our lawyer Bill was retiring

[2:06:05] Voice 2: at what was that, Gabriola, he gave his final speech to us

[2:06:10] Voice 2: and I was there when he did our

[2:06:12] Voice 2: climate emergency declaration.

[2:06:14] Voice 2: And he said that trustees or staff

[2:06:17] Voice 2: are not legally responsible for loss

[2:06:21] Voice 2: and property value for the decisions that we make and and so we know that

[2:06:26] Voice 2: however if we make a decision on proof of water and if there isn't proof of

[2:06:31] Voice 2: water usually what happens is that that responsibility is delegated to the

[2:06:37] Voice 2: professional who has certified that proof of water

[2:06:39] Voice 3: right

[2:06:40] Voice 2: and so that's why

[2:06:41] Voice 2: in the land use bylaw we say that you need a professional report to certify it

[2:06:47] Voice 2: where at moti table i don't know if they need that all the time so and i know and i've had

[2:06:54] Voice 2: issue with i took issue with this on salt spring island where a um a real estate agent submitted a

[2:07:00] Voice 2: well record for a secondary suite and and regional planning manager accepted that and and i was not

[2:07:09] Voice 2: for that because then who certified that in that case it seemed like the regional planning manager

[2:07:14] Voice 2: just certified that however i am the only professional geoscientist in the organization

[2:07:20] Voice 2: so then vis-a-vis that i certify that right and so um that that's where that's where i really

[2:07:29] Voice 2: like the prescriptive nature of of a land use bylaw with proof of water even if it doesn't

[2:07:36] Voice 2: prescribe what the technical assessment is it's it points the person of responsibility and that's

[2:07:40] Voice 2: really important to me. Oh and to that, sorry Chair, just one last point.

[2:07:49] Voice 2: There can be a proof of water section in the land use bylaw that says all responsibility for that

[2:07:56] Voice 2: proof of water is determined by the Ministry of Transportation. That could be a one-liner

[2:08:02] Voice 2: and that should probably happen in those other LTCs that don't have proof of water. I don't

[2:08:08] Voice 2: think there's many i think it's just like bolinas and the associated areas of north pender maybe

[2:08:13] Voice 2: thetis i'm not sure i haven't dug into the fetus line you spy law but um yeah that's all i have um

[2:08:20] Voice 2: so yeah thank you chair if there's no other questions i can yield my time okay any other

[2:08:27] Trustee Luckham: questions uh peter johnson or sorry tim peterson yeah

[2:08:33] Voice 8: thanks for that uh william uh it was

[2:08:35] Voice 8: interesting to hear I'm wondering to trustee Johnson's point how how much

[2:08:48] Voice 8: this may be a ballpark but how feasible would it be to sort of designate you

[2:08:57] Voice 8: know water zones in terms of allocating slightly different rules in different

[2:09:04] Voice 8: part of the island is you think that's uh like would that be just like a massive undertaking

[2:09:09] Voice 8: or is it something that you think might be relatively um uh you know not not incredibly

[2:09:17] Voice 8: challenging to do or i mean i guess we did some

[2:09:20] Voice 2: i know i i think i think for and and i think we

[2:09:25] Voice 2: lost your other fellow trustee um just now so i don't know if we want

[2:09:31] Voice 8: to yeah yeah he's dropped

[2:09:34] Voice 2: dropped

[2:09:34] Voice 8: off the list yeah

[2:09:35] Voice 2: so i don't know if we want to wait for that answer well

[2:09:38] Voice 8: i mean because

[2:09:39] Voice 8: because i think i think before today uh i've uh my uh sense is that he's been rather skeptical

[2:09:47] Voice 8: of that there's any value for us in doing this so i i'm happy to wait and see if we can get him back

[2:09:55] Voice 8: on um my perspective all along is that i did i felt like i didn't know um whether there was value

[2:10:02] Voice 8: you for us to do it or not and and i really wanted to get information since we're in an ocp review

[2:10:08] Voice 8: we're going to be looking at the land use bylaw is this a tool that the ltc should be taking up

[2:10:17] Voice 8: um or is it you know was there any point so i'm really appreciative that you've that you've

[2:10:23] Voice 8: brought us the information that you have so far and and uh i think i guess my other question would

[2:10:31] Voice 8: be sort of next steps um towards working with this would be uh i guess would be um i mean it's

[2:10:43] Voice 8: already it's in our project charter to look at it uh i guess you know as far as getting some more

[2:10:50] Voice 8: in-depth recommendations from you uh would sort of be the next step if we choose to proceed in

[2:10:57] Voice 8: in that in that direction yeah

[2:11:00] Voice 2: so i i'll answer like the like this like the different water zones

[2:11:05] Voice 2: or something like that question um i think that would be a great way to look at it for liskiti

[2:11:10] Voice 2: um just because of the it's probably something that we would look at on gambier as well because

[2:11:15] Voice 2: just because the clustering of of development and and and the uniqueness of of the geology and stuff

[2:11:23] Voice 2: like that um it could even be down to a like a watershed level um you know that's planners

[2:11:31] Voice 2: love love maps so i think like making a um a map to determine like zones of if there's some details

[2:11:41] Voice 2: that they can change for proof of water um i think that's that's doable um like as in a technical

[2:11:49] Voice 2: perspective um i think i would yield to regional planning manager cowher for for like next steps

[2:11:56] Voice 2: and and the like the overall feasibility of having like another scheduled map and stuff like that it

[2:12:03] Voice 2: might be development permit area or not like i'm not sure haven't seen many scheduled maps to

[2:12:09] Voice 2: determine different elements of the line use bylaw i've seen obviously different maps for one

[2:12:14] Voice 2: one development permit area.

[2:12:17] Voice 2: But so maybe I'll just ask Regional Planning Manager Cower

[2:12:21] Voice 2: about those two questions.

[2:12:22] Voice 2: Well,

[2:12:22] Voice 8: there's subdivision zones.

[2:12:24] Voice 8: Right,

[2:12:25] Voice 2: yeah, yeah, that's true, yeah, right.

[2:12:30] So

[2:12:30] Voice 5: the question to me is, is what?

[2:12:35] Voice 2: Okay, so well, I'll put the last question first,

[2:12:39] Voice 2: like next question or the question would be,

[2:12:42] Voice 2: what's the next steps for in the OCP top priority

[2:12:46] Voice 2: to me to report back on a proof of water

[2:12:50] Voice 2: or planning staff to come back

[2:12:53] Voice 2: with a proof of water options.

[2:12:55] Voice 2: But the other question was is to,

[2:12:57] Voice 2: within that, if there would be a way

[2:13:02] Voice 2: to have like a zone,

[2:13:05] Voice 2: like different zone requirements

[2:13:06] Voice 2: or different area requirements for proof of water

[2:13:08] Voice 2: and if that's feasible.

[2:13:12] Voice 5: Right.

[2:13:15] Voice 5: Yeah, I mean, because we have

[2:13:18] Voice 5: have the subdivision regulations and we've talked about it

[2:13:21] Voice 5: as part of the project charter in another phase.

[2:13:26] Voice 5: That's sort of how we'd anticipated managing

[2:13:28] Voice 5: that information was when we get to that stage

[2:13:31] Voice 5: of subdivision regulation to talk about it.

[2:13:35] Voice 5: But I've also been curious

[2:13:37] Voice 5: about the Freshwater Sustainability Project,

[2:13:39] Voice 5: the bigger one, as I've understood it,

[2:13:42] Voice 5: those, that project may end up

[2:13:47] Voice 5: having suggestions for updates to OCPs and LUBs, right?

[2:13:52] Voice 5: Is that right, William?

[2:13:54] Voice 5: And so I have also been wondering

[2:13:58] Voice 5: if that work could be transferable to other LTCs,

[2:14:03] Voice 5: to LISC-ED or ones in the North.

[2:14:08] Voice 2: Yeah, yeah, sure.

[2:14:10] Voice 2: Indeed, there'll be work that we're doing

[2:14:13] Voice 2: at the Freshwater Sustainability Strategy level

[2:14:16] Voice 2: about the regional planning committee that that um you know like i i almost want to say

[2:14:23] Voice 2: obviously for ltc sometimes like you know the rpc isn't the 14th ltc right so um to to i i like

[2:14:34] Voice 2: working from from the bottom up too right so um if if we if the liskiti ltc is ahead of that game

[2:14:44] Voice 2: then if there's work that i do on it it will inform like we're going to need an implementation

[2:14:49] Voice 2: project right for for proof of water or or something of the like for um for ocps or luv and

[2:14:57] Voice 2: and and i think you know like it is happening on salt spring island vastly different for

[2:15:03] Voice 2: gambier of the ski deer you know so um yeah i think like the the bare bones will be there but

[2:15:11] Voice 2: but the detailed analysis of how it would land

[2:15:15] Voice 2: on the land use bylaws,

[2:15:17] Voice 2: obviously gonna be up to the LTCs for sure.

[2:15:21] Voice 2: Maybe that process and how we undertake that

[2:15:24] Voice 2: will be better defined

[2:15:29] Voice 2: and maybe there's a framework to do that

[2:15:30] Voice 2: that will come out of the freshwater sustainability strategy

[2:15:33] Voice 2: which will obviously create efficiencies.

[2:15:36] Voice 2: um so yeah i i i think that's that's true i think that there might be some harmony and

[2:15:44] Voice 2: and how the timing of all that to you because you're saying um can you just um uh so so the

[2:15:50] Voice 2: the subdivision regulations is like phased like another phase right now on the ocp right now

[2:15:57] Voice 2: you're kind of higher level right now right yeah

[2:16:01] Voice 5: we're doing an ocp right now subdivision

[2:16:04] Voice 5: regulations are in the lub and i think in terms of timing we had anticipated starting that work

[2:16:11] Voice 5: after the ocp work was done um so potentially next year um so yeah my thought was that the timing

[2:16:19] Voice 5: might sync up with the freshwater sustainability stuff it

[2:16:24] Voice 2: seems seems like it would and and then

[2:16:26] Voice 2: that would be i mean that would be great because also that kind of that timing syncs up with the

[2:16:31] Voice 2: in a term too right so yeah well

[2:16:38] Trustee Luckham: it's unfortunate that we have not managed to um re-establish peter

[2:16:43] Trustee Luckham: johnson and i'll ask will have you had any communication with him just

[2:16:48] Voice 6: received an email

[2:16:49] Voice 6: from him that he uh his connection failed and he's trying to reconnect and uh i've also asked

[2:16:56] Voice 6: mark van bakel to give him a call and see if he can give him some assistance so hopefully he'll

[2:17:02] Voice 6: be on soon okay

[2:17:04] Trustee Luckham: and of course he could always just simply join us by phone yeah i'll mention

[2:17:10] Voice 6: that

[2:17:10] Trustee Luckham: to him and be completely absent uh trustee peterson you'll have to unmute yeah

[2:17:20] Voice 8: sorry i was

[2:17:21] Voice 8: just gonna uh uh um request maybe we have a short uh bio break and hopefully he can get reconnected

[2:17:29] Voice 8: um well we could have

[2:17:31] Trustee Luckham: a bit more

[2:17:31] Voice 8: ready for that

[2:17:32] Trustee Luckham: maybe we could have a little mint lunch break

[2:17:35] Trustee Luckham: actually it's 11 50 so that's a good suggestion um and so how about we uh recess until let's say

[2:17:46] Trustee Luckham: 12 15 i'll look to heather crowder and dave and will um is that adequate amount of time for you

[2:17:53] Trustee Luckham: to have a bit of a break including lunch and then we can continue on until we complete today

[2:18:00] Trustee Luckham: Okay. And William, of course, too. Yeah. Okay. So let's, and so, Will, could you put a message up on the screen and include that in the conversation with Peter that we're recessing until 1215?

[2:18:15] Trustee Luckham: Okay. Sounds good. Thank you.

[2:18:17] Voice 2: And Chair, is that the, are we concluding then this section? Or do you?

[2:18:22] Voice 2: Well,

[2:18:22] Trustee Luckham: I think maybe we should provide an opportunity for Peter Johnson to ask questions.

[2:18:31] Trustee Luckham: I have some comments, and maybe I'll just plant a seed that you think about over the lunch.

[2:18:36] Voice 11: Okay.

[2:18:37] Trustee Luckham: And I mentioned this earlier with respect to the regional planning oversight on OCPs,

[2:18:45] Trustee Luckham: and Heather calls it style and something else.

[2:18:48] Trustee Luckham: I called it form and character.

[2:18:51] Trustee Luckham: Because the actual breadth and depth of language in OCPs across the region is remarkable,

[2:18:57] Trustee Luckham: workable. And I'm thinking specifically about the most recent project on Denman about water

[2:19:07] Trustee Luckham: that they didn't have water. And we had a huge debate at executive committee about what

[2:19:12] Trustee Luckham: that line in the policy statement means. So plant that seed and let's break for lunch.

[2:19:21] Voice 10: for how long? Oh, Peter. Sorry. I don't know why my internet went off.

[2:19:30] Trustee Luckham: Well, we made an executive

[2:19:31] Trustee Luckham: decision. I think we should follow through to recess until 1215 to give you lots of time to

[2:19:37] Trustee Luckham: come back. Okay. And then you'll have a chance to speak with William and the rest of us. So let's

[2:19:42] Trustee Luckham: recess as planned at 1215 because we should have a break. We've been at it for over two and a half

[2:19:47] Trustee Luckham: hours now. I'm ready.

[2:19:49] Trustee Luckham: And then we'll come back. That was a hint that your internet was doing.

[2:19:52] Voice 10: Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. And thank you to Will and to Mark VanBakel, who phoned me and got me back connected, too.

[2:19:58] Voice 10: Oh, perfect.

[2:19:59] Trustee Luckham: So you'll be rejoining us, William, at 1215, is that correct?

[2:20:01] Voice 10: Yeah. OK. Thank you.

[2:20:04] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, everybody.

[2:43:39] Voice 6: So, Trustee Johnston, your connection looks good now.

[2:43:43] Voice 6: Is everything okay over there?

[2:43:45] Voice 10: I think so.

[2:43:45] Voice 10: I think so.

[2:43:46] Voice 10: I don't know why our internet failed,

[2:43:50] Voice 3: but

[2:43:51] Voice 10: it took me a while to figure it because my

[2:43:53] Voice 10: computer showed it was working.

[2:43:55] Voice 10: And then after about four minutes, it said, no, it's not working.

[2:44:00] Voice 6: Okay.

[2:44:02] Voice 6: Next time, maybe we'll give you a call a little quicker.

[2:44:05] Voice 10: You know what I should have done?

[2:44:07] Voice 10: And since I didn't have the internet, I couldn't look up the phone number to call in.

[2:44:12] Voice 10: Right.

[2:44:13] Voice 10: I will do that right now.

[2:44:15] Voice 10: I think I've got it.

[2:44:18] Voice 1: My internet went down too, Peter.

[2:44:20] Voice 10: Oh, really?

[2:44:20] Voice 10: Okay.

[2:44:21] Voice 10: So it wasn't just ours.

[2:44:22] Voice 10: No.

[2:44:23] Voice 10: Oh, good.

[2:44:24] Voice 10: Okay.

[2:44:25] Voice 10: I

[2:44:25] Voice 1: don't know if it's good, but.

[2:44:29] Voice 10: It's a lot of numbers to get into this webinar by phone.

[2:44:33] Voice 6: Yes.

[2:44:33] Voice 6: There's a couple of different ones.

[2:44:35] Voice 10: Yeah.

[2:44:36] Voice 10: no but the webinar number oh

[2:44:40] Voice 6: yes yeah I know many digits

[2:44:43] Voice 9: myself

[2:44:52] Voice 10: okay so I've

[2:45:09] Voice 11: been

[2:45:09] Trustee Luckham: talking to myself for five minutes but that's okay so I'm guessing have

[2:45:15] Trustee Luckham: we're ready to reconvene and I'm glad that we got your internet started out

[2:45:20] Trustee Luckham: there trustee johnson and uh we had we continued the conversation based upon the questions that

[2:45:26] Trustee Luckham: tim was asking when you had left and william was uh providing us some information and maybe out

[2:45:35] Trustee Luckham: of fairness william if i could just ask you to sort of summarize what you said to to be sure

[2:45:41] Trustee Luckham: that peter um heard your thoughts there and so try and make it as brief as you can but

[2:45:48] Trustee Luckham: but I understand that might be difficult.

[2:45:50] Trustee Luckham: No,

[2:45:50] Voice 2: I think Trustee Johnson was there

[2:45:53] Voice 2: for the majority of the conversation,

[2:45:55] Voice 2: except for when Trustee Peterson was asking about

[2:45:59] Voice 2: if there is a possibility for there to be,

[2:46:03] Voice 2: or commenting on the zoning,

[2:46:04] Voice 2: like the different zones for different requirements.

[2:46:08] Voice 2: And I think we discussed that that's a possibility

[2:46:11] Voice 2: and it has happened in the past.

[2:46:15] Voice 2: and I think even looking at a watershed approach

[2:46:18] Voice 2: would be cool and I've always been interested

[2:46:21] Voice 2: in watershed governance.

[2:46:22] Voice 2: So that could be like a regulatory area in other areas

[2:46:31] Voice 2: like in the Southern Gulf Islands,

[2:46:32] Voice 2: we're using groundwater regions that we define

[2:46:35] Voice 2: for the groundwater proof of water

[2:46:38] Voice 2: and to look at potential zoning changes

[2:46:42] Voice 2: changes and other land use changes for that project.

[2:46:47] Voice 2: And so I think like a cautious yes to that answers.

[2:46:52] Voice 2: And then the other one was next steps forward,

[2:46:54] Voice 2: I think was the other question.

[2:46:56] Voice 2: And the regional planning manager Cowra was suggesting

[2:47:01] Voice 2: that the subdivision land use by-law

[2:47:05] Voice 2: or the subdivision policies in land use by-law

[2:47:09] Voice 2: will be step like phase two.

[2:47:11] Voice 2: right now you guys are focusing on the ocp it's good to get that information but the details of

[2:47:17] Voice 2: that will come and then also we discussed the freshwater sustainability strategy at the

[2:47:22] Voice 2: regional planning committee and how the progress of that might inform proof of water policies

[2:47:32] Voice 2: at the ltc level and other elements of freshwater sustainability and how the timing of the ocp and

[2:47:39] Voice 2: and the land use by-law changes that for Liskiti

[2:47:42] Voice 2: may time up really well with the progress of that project.

[2:47:47] Voice 2: Cause we'll come out next year with more information

[2:47:50] Voice 2: and potentially a round table

[2:47:52] Voice 2: or a technical advisory committee that we can discuss with.

[2:47:57] Voice 2: Something similar that's been happening

[2:47:58] Voice 2: at the Salt Spring Island side is that there's a organization,

[2:48:02] Voice 2: the Salt Spring Island Watershed Protection Alliance

[2:48:04] Voice 2: that has a technical advisory committee

[2:48:06] Voice 2: that has reviewed the proof of water for subdivision for Salt Spring Island that

[2:48:10] Voice 2: was really beneficial to get some on-island support so maybe that's an

[2:48:16] Voice 2: another kind of avenue to explore that they're getting some well community

[2:48:24] Voice 2: feedback on the bylaws as we develop them rather than at the final stages

[2:48:28] Voice 2: could be a possibility but that's that's a different topic but so I think I think

[2:48:35] Voice 2: that kind of just summarizes what what what trustee johnson missed it wasn't much unless

[2:48:39] Voice 2: there's something that i missed trustee peterson but

[2:48:45] Trustee Luckham: okay um no

[2:48:47] Voice 8: i i just anything

[2:48:48] Trustee Luckham: yeah

[2:48:50] Voice 8: no i just

[2:48:50] Voice 8: say that uh um you know we we try not to talk too much uh trustee johnson while you weren't here

[2:48:58] Voice 8: um but that i had mentioned that you know that i was happy to get the the information and that

[2:49:05] Voice 8: that this is potentially a useful tool

[2:49:08] Voice 8: and the questions that I asked about ways we might look

[2:49:14] Voice 8: at different parameters for different parts of the Island,

[2:49:22] Voice 8: which is something that you had brought up.

[2:49:23] Voice 8: And so it appears that there are ways

[2:49:26] Voice 8: to think about doing that.

[2:49:28] Voice 8: So we don't have to necessarily have a blanket set up

[2:49:33] Voice 8: guidelines for the whole Island.

[2:49:34] Voice 8: and we could tailor it up a bit.

[2:49:36] Voice 8: So that's, thank you, William, for your answers

[2:49:38] Voice 8: and Heather, for your support on that too.

[2:49:41] Voice 10: Can I just say one brief thing?

[2:49:43] Voice 10: I don't know William, if there's any possibility of this,

[2:49:46] Voice 10: but if there's a continuing need for a local government

[2:49:50] Voice 10: that isn't land use based, land use planning based,

[2:49:54] Voice 10: it would probably have to switch over

[2:49:55] Voice 10: to Catholic Regional District

[2:49:57] Voice 10: because they're the service provider.

[2:50:00] Voice 10: I don't think there is, but if there is,

[2:50:03] Voice 10: and director fall is our regional director to the catholic regional district and we do

[2:50:09] Voice 10: land use planning and they do services which so far don't include water provision and i'm sure

[2:50:15] Voice 10: they don't want it but they are available in to help too yeah

[2:50:21] Voice 2: and i have had some discussions

[2:50:23] Voice 2: with director fall in the past um and and he was at the the meeting that we had um

[2:50:29] Voice 2: um with Pete's Lake Water Users Society a few years ago um and yeah I mean like the largest

[2:50:39] Voice 2: regional district capital regional district doesn't have like if they have some programs

[2:50:44] Voice 2: and certain well services sorry in uh in the southern gulf islands and and on salt spring

[2:50:50] Voice 2: but there are huge missing gaps and um governance gaps in water and so it's that's what makes it

[2:50:58] Voice 2: it interesting um the regional district of naimo has a drinking water and watershed protection

[2:51:02] Voice 2: program which funded some of the couch and valley regional district um the rdn project has been

[2:51:08] Voice 2: working quite well on on gabriola and i think chair luckham will can probably personally comment

[2:51:15] Voice 2: on how this the couch and valley has a program has been working on thetis because it's been quite

[2:51:22] Voice 2: absent so it depends on it really depends on on how the programs laid out

[2:51:30] Voice 2: but but I agree with you I think that that there is a role that regional

[2:51:34] Voice 2: districts can play and yeah and and I'm keen to to consider that and maybe have

[2:51:41] Voice 2: a offline discussion with director fall about that well

[2:51:48] Trustee Luckham: thank you for the

[2:51:48] Trustee Luckham: opportunity to say something but I don't have anything to say but that said we've

[2:51:54] Trustee Luckham: had a remarkable level of cooperation with the Cowichan Valley Regional District in the recent

[2:51:59] Trustee Luckham: months with some other issues, so I'm grateful for that. Great.

[2:52:04] Trustee Luckham: What I did, I planted a little bit of

[2:52:06] Trustee Luckham: a seed there, William, and sort of captured part of that in some of the material you said about

[2:52:12] Trustee Luckham: the regional planning services and the water strategy that's evolving there. But my question

[2:52:17] Trustee Luckham: was more towards there's such a variety of application of water requirements and standards

[2:52:25] Trustee Luckham: throughout the trust area. And that ideally, as I mentioned earlier with OCP, with the regionalization

[2:52:33] Trustee Luckham: of OCPs, aligning OCPs throughout the trust area so that the documents look and feel

[2:52:39] Trustee Luckham: similar is kind of what I'm purposely avoiding the word template.

[2:52:43] Trustee Luckham: plate um um what are the potentials for alignments there so that we're if we're in one place or

[2:52:50] Trustee Luckham: another the principles um or expectations might be similar yeah

[2:52:58] Voice 2: so i think that's happening

[2:53:00] Voice 2: on multiple levels there's um like say for the water sustainability act the the deemed right

[2:53:07] Voice 2: for every domestic household is 2 000 liters per day so that's a standard that can be implemented

[2:53:13] Voice 2: that didn't come

[2:53:15] Voice 2: from Islands Trust.

[2:53:16] Voice 2: Also, I've been working with the province

[2:53:18] Voice 2: on various guidance documents.

[2:53:21] Voice 2: So we're coming out of this professional reliance model

[2:53:25] Voice 2: with the Professional Governance Act.

[2:53:28] Voice 2: The engineers and geoscientists of BC,

[2:53:32] Voice 2: they've updated their code of ethics to say

[2:53:34] Voice 2: that professionals must follow guidance documents

[2:53:37] Voice 2: that are meant to standardize their disciplines.

[2:53:39] Voice 2: So there's a push right now to create these guidance documents, and I think that we can look upon that at the Islands Trust Level 2 to consider strengthening our guidance documents, especially ones like we discussed before, 4.4.2 in the Trust Policy Statement, where

[2:54:00] Voice 2: Mayor Mrakas, If there's areas of known water quality or quantity issues that they intensity and density of water, you should not be increased or I kind of paraphrase there but.

[2:54:11] Voice 2: Mayor Mrakas, there's a few big definitions that are missing from that, including areas i've been suggesting that fresh water is a unique amenity the island stressed area for a long period of time now.

[2:54:21] Voice 2: and i think that discussion of unique amenities has been coming up as well so to the highest

[2:54:27] Voice 2: levels of the policy statement i think we have some work to do there to standardize that and

[2:54:33] Voice 2: then down to the land use planning like um i think we can have model bylaws for proof of water that

[2:54:38] Voice 2: that have various options that can be considered by the ltcs rather than saying this is a bylaw

[2:54:45] Voice 2: from word one to word hundred and and just you have to implement it as it is I

[2:54:50] Voice 2: think having more options and opportunities and and there's a fear in

[2:54:55] Voice 2: that where the LTC is just pick and choose what they want and then and then

[2:54:59] Voice 2: you put it together and it doesn't answer anything but I think that's where

[2:55:01] Voice 2: staff guides that process so but but there you know there is a large

[2:55:07] Voice 2: difference between Salt Spring Island and and Laskete and and indeed the proof

[2:55:14] Voice 2: of water that we're developing on South Spring Island can't just be transported to Liskety and

[2:55:20] Voice 2: implemented. I think that's pretty authoritarian, or it wouldn't make sense. So I think I like that

[2:55:29] Voice 2: framework of standardized language for different opportunities and options for the LTC to consider

[2:55:36] Voice 2: and then it's up to staff to kind of guide the process to piece them together to answer

[2:55:40] Voice 2: the questions that the LTC wants. And I'll leave you with this. When I first started with Island

[2:55:47] Voice 2: Stress, I gave a presentation in the professional development day and often the LTC and the

[2:55:56] Voice 2: trustees or politicians will identify or the community will identify a problem and there'll

[2:56:01] Voice 2: be good science that's then put on that problem and then we try to fit our land use planning to

[2:56:08] Voice 2: to answer that problem.

[2:56:10] Voice 2: And often it answers other questions,

[2:56:12] Voice 2: but maybe not that problem.

[2:56:14] Voice 2: And so I think we need to start exploring

[2:56:19] Voice 2: some alternative tools rather than identifying

[2:56:23] Voice 2: just what's in our limited toolkit to approach a problem.

[2:56:27] Voice 2: I think with water and protection of forests,

[2:56:31] Voice 2: I think that's kind of where that falls into place there.

[2:56:34] Voice 2: And indeed we're exploring that very deeply

[2:56:37] Voice 2: in First Nations reconciliation process right like we didn't have any of those

[2:56:41] Voice 2: tools and now we're exploring them now and and learning more and and I think I

[2:56:47] Voice 2: think we can learn from that process a lot in our land use planning process so

[2:56:52] Voice 2: you know that's again to use my term there chair Luckum it's you know I'm

[2:56:58] Voice 2: I'm feeling the the winds outside my wheelhouse when I discuss this stuff but

[2:57:03] Voice 2: But, you know, I think that if we lead with good science and take a real long look at what our powers are, our immediate tools, and if there is a data gap, then maybe that is where the regional district steps in and tries to, or the province, and tries to help us define those tools before we say it's out of our jurisdiction, which is a term that's weighing on me a bit.

[2:57:30] Voice 2: I hear that a lot, you know.

[2:57:33] Voice 2: and and then so if it's out of everybody's jurisdiction and then the

[2:57:37] Voice 2: community suffers especially with something like stormwater it's a

[2:57:41] Voice 2: difficult one so I don't think I answer your question chair and

[2:57:46] Trustee Luckham: it was in the

[2:57:50] Trustee Luckham: very simple phrase is let science guide us and I agree with that in so many

[2:57:57] Trustee Luckham: respects with our our our debate over unique amenities now it's just thank you

[2:58:06] Trustee Luckham: for that so I think we've heard a lot about all aspects of water if we've

[2:58:13] Trustee Luckham: heard enough I'll move on if you want to hear more then this would be a chance to

[2:58:17] Trustee Luckham: say don't move on and I'm not hearing that so William thank you for joining us

[2:58:22] Trustee Luckham: today thank you sure

[2:58:24] Trustee Luckham: but I know you're also a very busy guy so or this closest

[2:58:28] Voice 1: is my might i say a word oh

[2:58:30] Trustee Luckham: you had your hand up even hey

[2:58:34] Voice 1: he was even doing it properly but that's

[2:58:36] Voice 1: okay uh thank you chair i i you know i don't you know i don't want to intrude on your meeting but

[2:58:40] Voice 1: since the rd was raised so there are of course the regional district does run one water service

[2:58:46] Voice 1: called myrtle pond water service over uh south of powell river and there's a several improvement

[2:58:51] Voice 1: districts as i'm sure i don't know if there are in the islands trust they're kind of an old form

[2:58:56] Voice 1: a government that still exists and they carry on and some of them like it and it works and some of

[2:59:00] Voice 1: them uh are are having problems so uh you know we've had recently some issues with one where

[2:59:06] Voice 1: they've got you know they they can't access funding because the local the province basically

[2:59:11] Voice 1: has a a goal to have them be absorbed into regional districts essentially so they they

[2:59:17] Voice 1: effectively punish improvement districts by not allowing them to access funding and if they get

[2:59:23] Voice 1: into funding problems they basically say well become a regional service and you can access

[2:59:26] Voice 1: funding and it's not really fair but that's you know whatever go go fight against the province

[2:59:31] Voice 1: over that and then of course there's society runs want run systems like uh pete's lake so i did what

[2:59:36] Voice 1: i i just wanted to raise that that it isn't out of the question for the qrd to run a water service

[2:59:42] Voice 1: and i think if if this even gets close to that direction what may be an appropriate thing that

[2:59:48] Voice 1: it could be done would be the if the honest trust wanted to to ask send a request to qrd planning

[2:59:55] Voice 1: uh to go to the qrd to ask them what that process is

[3:00:00] Voice 1: and what it would take.

[3:00:00] Voice 1: I mean, I don't think it's not necessarily

[3:00:02] Voice 1: a solution for everything.

[3:00:04] Voice 1: You know, there are implications

[3:00:05] Voice 1: in terms of control and costs and so on.

[3:00:08] Voice 1: You know, but I think if what could be useful

[3:00:13] Voice 1: is baseline information,

[3:00:14] Voice 1: if it even comes in that direction to say,

[3:00:16] Voice 1: well, what would it take?

[3:00:17] Voice 1: How is that established as a new service?

[3:00:19] Voice 1: Who would pay for it?

[3:00:20] Voice 1: You know, it would be limited to the users.

[3:00:21] Voice 1: What's the process for that

[3:00:23] Voice 1: in terms of referendums and stuff and et cetera, et cetera.

[3:00:26] Voice 1: So that's, I mean, the Peets Lake group,

[3:00:28] Voice 1: they could actually um you know kind of force the qrd to consider a service if enough property

[3:00:35] Voice 1: owners signed on a petition there's there's mechanisms in the local government act and so

[3:00:40] Voice 1: on so that's um but i think just asking for information would be probably not hard for the

[3:00:45] Voice 1: qrd to sort of outline here's the process um that the island stress and i agree entirely with what

[3:00:51] Voice 1: william said about you know i think the jurisdiction issue i think the island's trust isn't it

[3:00:56] Voice 1: it seems to make complete sense to look and look into these issues and

[3:01:02] Voice 1: consider it and bring it as far forward as possible. And the QRD, you know,

[3:01:06] Voice 1: and not involve the QRD, for example,

[3:01:08] Voice 1: until it even looks like that's a viable and a desirable way to go,

[3:01:13] Voice 1: because there may be, you know,

[3:01:14] Voice 1: other solutions that are that are preferable or cheaper or accepted or

[3:01:19] Voice 1: something. So, yeah.

[3:01:20] Voice 1: So the QRD wants to help and they can provide information if needed.

[3:01:23] Voice 1: That's what I wanted to say.

[3:01:24] Voice 1: yeah

[3:01:25] Voice 2: thank you for that and i can attest that um a a regional district um uh design system

[3:01:34] Voice 2: on keats island has been run by a on island construction company for the past well almost

[3:01:43] Voice 2: two decades i think and they have a few wells that come together for five gallons a minute

[3:01:50] Voice 2: and they supply water to over a hundred homes and and that construction company well that's what

[3:01:56] Voice 2: they call themselves has done so well now that they now they run the the whistler um water system

[3:02:02] Voice 2: so so that was it wasn't just off islanders just running the system it was the engineering support

[3:02:09] Voice 2: and the design that came forward from the regional district and then largely was operated by on

[3:02:15] Voice 2: on Islanders to great success.

[3:02:18] Voice 2: So that's a successful water system

[3:02:23] Voice 2: that was a partnership with the regional district

[3:02:26] Voice 2: and the Islands Trust area of similar size to Peets Lake.

[3:02:30] Voice 2: So yeah, thank you for that.

[3:02:32] Voice 2: That's a good point.

[3:02:34] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you, Director Fall.

[3:02:36] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, William again.

[3:02:37] Trustee Luckham: Shall we move on?

[3:02:38] Trustee Luckham: Can

[3:02:39] Voice 10: I request that we very briefly move back?

[3:02:42] Voice 10: I have a very quick question about the proposed bylaw on page 33, the bylaw repeal.

[3:02:51] Voice 10: This is the citation.

[3:02:53] Voice 10: Bylaw number 27 cited as Luskiniai and the Trust Committee bylaw infraction investigation bylaw number 27 is repealed.

[3:03:02] Voice 10: And I'm wondering why that's being repealed and will it be replaced by anything?

[3:03:07] Voice 10: I'm

[3:03:10] Trustee Luckham: not sure where you are.

[3:03:12] Voice 10: I can't remember what I said.

[3:03:14] Voice 10: You said

[3:03:16] Trustee Luckham: 33, but

[3:03:16] Voice 10: that's the OCP.

[3:03:19] Voice 10: That is, it's the OCP.

[3:03:21] Voice 10: It's the very beginning of it.

[3:03:25] Trustee Luckham: Oh, I see.

[3:03:25] Trustee Luckham: That's the process.

[3:03:26] Trustee Luckham: So, Heather Gower, can you provide an answer to that?

[3:03:29] Trustee Luckham: That's just part of it.

[3:03:31] Trustee Luckham: That's an existing.

[3:03:34] Voice 10: But it's going to be repealed, and I wonder why, and is it going to be replaced by something else?

[3:03:43] Voice 5: the short answer is that um yes it will have to be we'll have to follow up if this gets adopted

[3:03:50] Voice 5: we'll have to follow up with an update to that bylaw as well um i so we're on page 23 33

[3:03:58] Voice 10: 33.

[3:04:01] Voice 10: and i i can't it's the it's the page one of the proposed bylaw a bylaw to adopt an official

[3:04:10] Voice 10: community plan right down there by uh it's number two bylaw repeal yeah

[3:04:19] Voice 5: there does because they're

[3:04:22] Voice 5: interrelated and i and i can't tell you how they're interrelated off the top of my head but

[3:04:26] Voice 5: they are interrelated and so it does have to be amended once this is amended okay

[3:04:32] Voice 10: so for a while

[3:04:33] Voice 10: we'll live without a bylaw infraction investigation bylaw hopefully

[3:04:38] Voice 5: we'll we'll be ready by the by the

[3:04:40] Voice 5: by the time the ministry comes back with their response to your OCP we should

[3:04:44] Voice 5: have we should have that update available

[3:04:48] Trustee Luckham: to you thank

[3:04:49] Voice 9: you yep

[3:04:50] Trustee Luckham: yeah

[3:04:51] Trustee Luckham: normally that kind of thing is seamless because it's a requirement of advancing

[3:04:57] Trustee Luckham: the bylaw we don't want to have any gaps right yeah okay so thanks for that Peter

[3:05:04] Trustee Luckham: so then I'm gonna continue on we don't have any delegations today there's no

[3:05:10] Trustee Luckham: correspondence in the agenda but for members of the public to know that there's quite a bit of

[3:05:17] Trustee Luckham: correspondence associated with the OCP and that will be available on the website through correspondence

[3:05:23] Trustee Luckham: on that project. So I'm going to continue on now with the new business and at 11.1 we've got a

[3:05:34] Trustee Luckham: number of items here 11.1 uh forest conservation outreach briefing page 72 of the package and

[3:05:43] Trustee Luckham: that's here for information um is there somebody that wishes to speak to this or are we just

[3:05:50] Trustee Luckham: received uh what what's uh the plan here 11.1 it is just for

[3:05:56] Voice 5: information okay

[3:05:58] Trustee Luckham: yeah

[3:05:59] Voice 10: i i noticed that

[3:06:01] Voice 10: that there it was uh liskiti is the the center of the forest uh old growth old and mature forest in

[3:06:09] Voice 10: the trust area 171 out of the 403 owners i don't know exactly how many properties that is it's

[3:06:17] Voice 10: almost half of the owners i suspect it's half of the parcels with with five or more hectares of

[3:06:22] Voice 10: that and the response to the program doesn't look like it's been huge and i wonder if there's some

[3:06:29] Voice 10: way to spur more, especially from Luskete. I would like to make people more aware of how special we

[3:06:37] Voice 10: are and how much we have of the Douglas fir forest and how we need to preserve it because nobody else

[3:06:45] Voice 10: is.

[3:06:49] Trustee Luckham: Tim Peterson?

[3:06:54] Voice 8: Yeah, just in response to that, I believe it was parcels, Peter, and so

[3:07:01] Voice 8: So Liskiti is very nearly half of that total.

[3:07:06] Voice 8: I shared this out on some of the local Liskiti Facebook pages.

[3:07:13] Voice 8: And there is definitely some interest in when we're allowed to have in-person type situations again.

[3:07:25] Voice 8: in there's definitely a few people that indicated they'd be very uh interested in having a workshop

[3:07:32] Voice 8: on the skeedy uh regarding the conservation options including nap tap etc i did send uh

[3:07:39] Voice 8: uh an email off to kate emmings um uh you know suggesting just wanted to put the bug in her ear

[3:07:46] Voice 8: that there is some interest and down the road hopefully we can uh we can hold uh some some

[3:07:51] Voice 8: form of information or workshopping on that here on the skidi and that's a great idea

[3:08:00] Trustee Luckham: and i think this kind of goes a little bit hand in hand with the coastal douglas fir

[3:08:07] Trustee Luckham: protection work and um part of the rationale behind this was to reach out to those

[3:08:15] Trustee Luckham: uh prop property owners that may or may not be in uh in um private managed forest lands

[3:08:24] Trustee Luckham: that would qualify for that to bring everybody into the conversation about

[3:08:31] Trustee Luckham: preservation and protection of the coastal Douglas fir and the coastal hemlock

[3:08:38] Trustee Luckham: as we move forward. I certainly also noticed, Peter, as you did, that Liskety received more.

[3:08:47] Trustee Luckham: The significant thing is that obviously Liskety has more pieces of land bigger than five hectares

[3:08:53] Trustee Luckham: than anywhere else and you know that in itself is hugely significant and indeed

[3:09:03] Trustee Luckham: worthy of broader conservation opportunities anyway beautiful work so that's basically there

[3:09:12] Trustee Luckham: for information I would suggest that we should monitor this activity and and if there's an

[3:09:20] Trustee Luckham: opportunity to raise something as we get through some of our work that's on our table already we

[3:09:25] Trustee Luckham: could do that so split zoning on the ski was the next item and 11.2 and heather cower you brought

[3:09:32] Trustee Luckham: that to us as a response to um a query on the local trust committee and you want to summarize

[3:09:41] Trustee Luckham: your report and then we'll see what questions there might be sure

[3:09:44] Voice 5: essentially um the question

[3:09:47] Voice 5: was asked whether or not split zoning was a possibility on luskete you know whether it was

[3:09:52] Voice 5: allowed and um and it is is the short answer um there's nothing preventing it in any of your

[3:09:59] Voice 5: bylaws and um so if someone wanted split zoning on their property they could apply for a rezone

[3:10:08] Voice 5: we'd probably want them to provide a survey of that new piece of zoning so that we're all very

[3:10:15] Voice 5: very clear on that, on what the boundaries

[3:10:19] Voice 5: of those zoning designations are, but it is allowed.

[3:10:25] Trustee Luckham: Okay, any questions?

[3:10:28] Voice 10: I have a, I hope a quick question is,

[3:10:31] Voice 10: I wonder if, why a survey is preferable

[3:10:34] Voice 10: rather than a meets and bounds description,

[3:10:37] Voice 10: especially if it was from a corner post or a survey marker

[3:10:41] Voice 10: saying, you know, so many meters along this line

[3:10:43] Voice 10: and so many meters along that line.

[3:10:47] Voice 10: You know, the survey is, I'm told, going to cost $3,000 to $10,000 just to get a surveyor over here for the day or several days.

[3:10:57] Voice 10: I know when we did the original zoning for commercial, industrial, all those things, we asked people, my memory is we asked people,

[3:11:06] Voice 10: do you want just around your home occupation use or your button factory or guest cabin, or do you want the whole property?

[3:11:15] Voice 10: and lots said just around the actual piece they didn't want to be taxed for commercial use

[3:11:22] Voice 10: for the whole quarter section in one case at least one case so a meets and bounds is simple

[3:11:30] Voice 10: if it's from a corner post or a survey marker it's it's accurate and reliable

[3:11:37] Voice 10: I

[3:11:40] Voice 5: think that's within your discretion to decide how what you would want them to submit I think

[3:11:47] Voice 5: I would ask the question who is determining what the meets and bounds are is it a are you saying

[3:11:52] Voice 5: the property owner is providing that information or somebody who is a qualified surveyor and that

[3:11:58] Voice 5: would be the

[3:11:58] Voice 5: that would be the question yeah

[3:12:00] Voice 10: I would say that the property owner but I don't

[3:12:03] Voice 10: know I mean what it we're unlikely to get an application and if we do I guess we could talk

[3:12:08] Voice 10: about it then what do we require yeah

[3:12:12] Trustee Luckham: that's a good idea

[3:12:13] Voice 10: okay thank you okay

[3:12:16] Trustee Luckham: well thank you for

[3:12:16] Trustee Luckham: that report um that'll go somewhere on the website i presume as a report that we've received yep so

[3:12:24] Trustee Luckham: the next one here which doesn't appear to have any paperwork associated with is regulation of

[3:12:28] Trustee Luckham: mooring buoys for discussion um who has brought that forward to us i

[3:12:39] Voice 10: asked that that be on the

[3:12:40] Voice 10: the agenda. The link, no, not link, what's it called? Property owners, rate payers association,

[3:12:50] Voice 10: LIRA, the Skiddy Island Rate Payers Association, pointed out that there has been a proliferation

[3:12:57] Voice 10: of mooring buoys around the island. And there are quite a number of them in False Bay. There's

[3:13:02] Voice 10: quite a large number of them in Spring Bay, all the way down the coast to Scotty Bay,

[3:13:08] Voice 10: Bay, and lots of them in Scottie Bay, quite a few around the rest of the island down into

[3:13:14] Voice 10: Tucker Bay.

[3:13:15] Voice 10: And our current bylaw says you can put one down anywhere.

[3:13:21] Voice 10: The federal regulations specify how far apart they have to be and whatnot, and the size

[3:13:26] Voice 10: of the marker and what information has to be on them.

[3:13:29] Voice 10: Some of them seem to honor that, but many of them don't.

[3:13:33] Voice 10: I've been told that in some areas, and I can't even remember which areas, Coast Guard has gone along and just scooped up all the mooring buoys that don't meet the regulations, just scooped them up and take them away, and they're not there anymore.

[3:13:48] Voice 10: I don't think that's a risk here, but it might be something we want to look at.

[3:13:54] Voice 10: Do we want to have some control, or is it just fine for anybody to put a mooring buoy down wherever they want?

[3:14:00] Voice 10: I'm told that, and I don't know how reliably because I haven't had that confirmed, that most of them are on a float system where the anchor chain does not scour the bottom.

[3:14:14] Voice 10: There's a float keeping whatever the connection is off the bottom.

[3:14:19] Voice 10: I have no idea if any of them or most of them or all of them are in eelgrass areas.

[3:14:23] Voice 10: is that's something we should consider we might can might want to consider too so and the other

[3:14:32] Voice 10: thing is i think our our land use bylaws encourage uh boat ramps too i can't remember what they're

[3:14:38] Voice 10: called you know to pull your boat up on shore and those might be pretty intense on a shoreline

[3:14:46] Voice 10: so we might want to look at that whole section and that's the question i had a i sent to uh

[3:14:53] Voice 10: Becky, a couple of paragraphs on this, and maybe I should have sent them to you

[3:14:59] Voice 10: when they didn't get into the agenda package.

[3:15:06] Trustee Luckham: Heather, do you have any remarks on mooring buoys?

[3:15:10] Voice 5: I know that we have limited jurisdiction over them. As you say, they're regulated by federal

[3:15:18] Voice 5: regulations, and so we're limited in what we can do. We're actually looking,

[3:15:22] Voice 5: We have the same question on Keats, where we're developing a development permit area for the shoreline, and I think they were hoping we could regulate the mooring buoys through our DPA, and it's not looking like we really can.

[3:15:41] Voice 5: So off the top of my head, from what I know, it's our ability to regulate them is limited.

[3:15:50] Trustee Luckham: Tim Peterson.

[3:15:51] Voice 5: yeah

[3:15:55] Voice 8: um and and i seem to recall uh there's a provincial component um in terms of regulating

[3:16:04] Voice 8: the the mooring buoys as well because um when there's some discussion about docks and scotty

[3:16:10] Voice 8: bay and the and the the um level of congestion there um there was some suggestion that the

[3:16:18] Voice 8: province may uh may be uh involved in in looking at um that level and that density there so i know

[3:16:29] Voice 8: that that is it would i guess it would be flynn rod the the fellow that had contacted us about

[3:16:36] Voice 8: the docs initially and then mentioned something about that so it's it's certainly overlapping

[3:16:41] Voice 8: stopping jurisdictions of which we have the smallest say of what happens there.

[3:16:49] Trustee Luckham: So you know I've spent a lot of time on this file in one shape or form and of course the

[3:16:56] Trustee Luckham: mooring buoys and vessels that anchor even if they are or are not connected to a mooring

[3:17:03] Trustee Luckham: buoy and ultimately the derelict vessels and rafts and barges and anything else that floats

[3:17:13] Trustee Luckham: have been a big problem throughout the entire Islands Trust area for a long time.

[3:17:20] Trustee Luckham: And we've certainly, I personally have, as chair of council,

[3:17:23] Trustee Luckham: have attempted advocacy at all levels, at all levels of government,

[3:17:28] Trustee Luckham: to resolve this for a variety of reasons.

[3:17:32] Trustee Luckham: And the dilemma, you know, multiple jurisdictions, exactly right.

[3:17:36] Trustee Luckham: And the dilemma is that the seafloor is the provincial authority.

[3:17:41] Trustee Luckham: authority. They don't really have or are they interested in any kind of a tenure system

[3:17:46] Trustee Luckham: for mooring buoys. You're going to rent a spot of one square meter on the sea floor

[3:17:53] Trustee Luckham: and then somebody has to place it on that specific one square meter which would be probably

[3:17:57] Trustee Luckham: challenging. The federal government is responsible for the water column where the chain and the

[3:18:03] Trustee Luckham: float actually floats on the surface of the water and bobs up and down. They used to have

[3:18:08] Trustee Luckham: a requirement to register mooring buoys and there are requirements associated with mooring buoys

[3:18:13] Trustee Luckham: about how they should be built and constructed nobody ever pays any attention to that and quite

[3:18:19] Trustee Luckham: honestly Peter if I heard what you said that most of the mooring buoys or a number of the mooring

[3:18:24] Trustee Luckham: buoys had a system where there was a sub water float that was keeping the chain off the bottom

[3:18:29] Trustee Luckham: I would quite honestly be very surprised if it was more than a few because having done

[3:18:36] Trustee Luckham: marine buoy maintenance for a lot of years almost nobody does that despite the advice that i give

[3:18:42] Trustee Luckham: them um so those are the three components um in that oh so and then the fourth component in that

[3:18:52] Trustee Luckham: so it's provincial federal and then the island's trust comes along and we do have the ability to

[3:18:57] Trustee Luckham: zone out across the water and we've exercised that right in a number of trust areas

[3:19:03] Trustee Luckham: to a certain distance, and often 200 meters is the distance used or halfway between

[3:19:08] Trustee Luckham: the next adjacent land body, whatever the distance happens to be. But Miles Drew pointed out years

[3:19:17] Trustee Luckham: and years ago when he was a biolaw enforcement manager is the Allen's Trust doesn't have a boat.

[3:19:22] Trustee Luckham: And so you can have zoning regulations about mooring buoys, but we have zero ability to

[3:19:29] Trustee Luckham: enforce it. The least of to say is the sufficient GPS technology to even make sure that they were on

[3:19:38] Trustee Luckham: the right one square meter, let alone determine whether or not the buoy meets any kind of standard

[3:19:45] Trustee Luckham: or not. Then, of course, when a mooring buoy is put in in year one, it might meet the standard.

[3:19:52] Trustee Luckham: In year eight, when they've ignored it for years and years and years and the chain is paper thin,

[3:19:59] Trustee Luckham: where's that standard now because people don't realize that you have to replace that chain every

[3:20:03] Trustee Luckham: three to five years depending on where you are and it gets you know it was 100 bucks to put it in the

[3:20:08] Trustee Luckham: first time 150 bucks to put it in the second time 200 bucks and it goes on and on and it's a big

[3:20:14] Trustee Luckham: deal you got to hire a diver and and these days it has to be a commercial diver and all that kind of

[3:20:18] Trustee Luckham: stuff so um honestly i don't know this is an area that we can wade into with any authority for sure

[3:20:27] Trustee Luckham: or expectation um um every once in a while the federal government does come along and drag up a

[3:20:35] Trustee Luckham: bunch of mooring buoys because they've become a hazard to navigation and that's their only

[3:20:40] Trustee Luckham: rationale for doing anything as if they're a hazard to navigation but uh even on thetis here

[3:20:46] Trustee Luckham: there's one boat that's half sunk that's on a mooring buoy and there's a bunch of mooring buoys

[3:20:50] Trustee Luckham: that are questionable and every winter storm some boat washes up on the shore because the

[3:20:55] Trustee Luckham: board, the chains have melted away. And I think we just will have to continue to advocate for

[3:21:03] Trustee Luckham: all levels of government, including the Islands Trust, working together to try and resolve it.

[3:21:08] Trustee Luckham: But I honestly think at the moment there's more things on the provincial and federal plate

[3:21:12] Trustee Luckham: than just mooring movies. So I don't know. That's what I know. I'd love to see it resolved,

[3:21:19] Trustee Luckham: And I'd love to see a Coast Guard RCMP collaborate together to do enforcement because it wouldn't take much enforcement before people actually started to tow the line.

[3:21:30] Trustee Luckham: Everybody that I know drives with motor vehicle insurance and has their vehicle inspected because that's the law and there aren't too many infractions.

[3:21:40] Trustee Luckham: That's my two cents.

[3:21:42] Voice 10: That argument actually doesn't weigh very much here on this island.

[3:21:48] Voice 11: about

[3:21:48] Voice 10: motor vehicle insurance and licenses but it's uh yeah but maybe we should take out i don't

[3:21:57] Voice 10: remember the exact wording in our land use bylaw but i think they're encouraged but maybe we should

[3:22:02] Voice 10: just take it out all together but i'll look at that and that that's i i certainly understand

[3:22:07] Voice 10: it's difficult and enforcement is always a difficult problem and it's really nice to avoid

[3:22:13] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, well, certainly when you're reviewing whatever might be in the OCP, but I think

[3:22:19] Trustee Luckham: that's probably in the LUB, certainly we can consider that.

[3:22:24] Trustee Luckham: Is there anything

[3:22:25] Trustee Luckham: else on this topic?

[3:22:27] Trustee Luckham: That's it for me.

[3:22:28] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thanks for bringing it, Peter.

[3:22:30] Trustee Luckham: Great chance for me to talk about my, I would love to find a solution to this.

[3:22:35] Trustee Luckham: Draft minutes posted on the website for discussion, I think that was also yours, Peter, wasn't

[3:22:41] Voice 10: that?

[3:22:41] Voice 10: that yes

[3:22:42] Voice 10: and i i meant to look in the policies to see if there's a policy against doing that i

[3:22:47] Voice 10: i realize it's uh it's uh risky because people might read them as being uh you know approved

[3:22:54] Voice 10: minutes which they're not they are posted for a little over a week in the agenda package

[3:23:01] Voice 10: mostly it's not a problem although we do have at least two months and well in this case

[3:23:07] Voice 10: our next meeting is almost three months away if it's possible to do it i would like to propose

[3:23:14] Voice 10: that we consider posting the draft minutes shortly after the meeting or in the alternative if or

[3:23:20] Voice 10: possibly additionally if there's some way to get the recording annotated uh with the agenda package

[3:23:29] Voice 10: such that you know item number one happens obviously at the beginning and item number

[3:23:33] Voice 10: where the last item might happen at our 3.44.

[3:23:38] Voice 10: And so if you wanted to know where your piece is,

[3:23:42] Voice 10: you wouldn't have to page through it.

[3:23:43] Voice 10: I don't imagine we have enough staff sitting around

[3:23:46] Voice 10: to do that for each of our local trust committees.

[3:23:49] Voice 10: It's possible that somebody would volunteer to do that

[3:23:52] Voice 10: and do that in a reasonable way,

[3:23:58] Voice 10: at least to give you a guide of where to start looking

[3:24:00] Voice 10: at the meeting for you, the piece you want.

[3:24:04] Voice 10: uh or both uh

[3:24:08] Trustee Luckham: yeah you know our agenda package actually has time marks on it but i suspect we're

[3:24:13] Trustee Luckham: not gonna try to marry those two things together because that would be a nightmare it would turn

[3:24:19] Trustee Luckham: out to be he said she said and i don't know that we'd want to do that um although i i am interested

[3:24:26] Trustee Luckham: to know from heather i think there has been an attempt in the past to and i think it happens

[3:24:32] Trustee Luckham: on other islands to post the draft minutes before we meet if we can agree by RWM that the minutes

[3:24:38] Trustee Luckham: are intact. And so that's up to the trustees. And I think actually, Heather, you attempted to do

[3:24:45] Trustee Luckham: that, but it became apparent that there was a discussion that was necessary. But maybe that

[3:24:48] Trustee Luckham: was another LTC. But I think, Heather, help me out here. I think we could post websites if we

[3:24:57] Trustee Luckham: we only corresponded with staff and said,

[3:24:59] Trustee Luckham: and that they're technical or dramatic in nature

[3:25:03] Trustee Luckham: more so than substantive in nature.

[3:25:06] Trustee Luckham: So how would you see that unfolding?

[3:25:09] Trustee Luckham: Because I sort of, I think that Peter's right.

[3:25:12] Trustee Luckham: There's a long time between meetings

[3:25:14] Trustee Luckham: and it would be helpful for people to see it

[3:25:17] Trustee Luckham: sooner than later to determine

[3:25:18] Trustee Luckham: if they're gonna attend our meetings or not.

[3:25:24] Voice 5: Did Trustee Peterson wanna say something

[3:25:26] Voice 5: before I respond to that?

[3:25:28] Voice 5: Saw your hand up.

[3:25:29] Voice 5: Okay. Yeah, we really don't think posting the draft minutes is a good idea in general.

[3:25:39] Voice 5: Operationally, it just can get confusing for everybody. We can make adoption of draft minutes

[3:25:47] Voice 5: work through RWM. But as you say, that means there can't be any discussion around it.

[3:25:53] Voice 5: And so, so that, but also as the chair says, if you have recommended amendments, you can

[3:26:03] Voice 5: send those individually to staff.

[3:26:07] Voice 5: We could communicate those proposed changes in a way that still works and then send out

[3:26:14] Voice 5: the final draft to the full LTC by RWM.

[3:26:19] Voice 5: but yeah once the RWM starts there just can't be any discussion or recommended changes at that

[3:26:24] Voice 5: point

[3:26:27] Voice 10: let's let's try that and see if it works see how it works okay Tim's got something

[3:26:37] Voice 8: I'm

[3:26:39] Voice 8: just wondering because of course as soon as you say as soon as there's any substantive

[3:26:44] Voice 8: amendments to the minutes the whole RWM process you know we can't operate that way

[3:26:52] Voice 8: and so I guess my concern is I wouldn't like us just to sort of start setting an expectation

[3:27:00] Voice 8: that these are going to be available on a regular basis and then you know I happen to have a

[3:27:07] Voice 8: substantive edit this month and and Peter does next meeting and then it doesn't happen I'm

[3:27:15] Voice 8: wondering if maybe a way to sort of approach what I guess the intent for

[3:27:23] Voice 8: information is perhaps we could do something like posting you know a

[3:27:32] Voice 8: summary that list you know motions carried or something that's not the

[3:27:40] Voice 8: that wouldn't require discussion but would still convey some information and

[3:27:45] Voice 8: and i wonder if that sort of idea might address some of trustee johnson's concerns i'm also

[3:27:51] Voice 8: you know i also acknowledge that you know with the length of time between meetings

[3:27:56] Voice 8: it can be problematic and and sometimes when our agenda package comes out um folks might not have

[3:28:05] Voice 8: time to go and look at it all so i'm just wondering if that might be a viable uh sort

[3:28:10] Voice 8: of alternative you know a bullet point sort of summary or maybe something like that i don't know

[3:28:21] Trustee Luckham: yeah you know i'm just going to chime in again for a second um because i'm loath to create

[3:28:31] Trustee Luckham: more work and even though that may seem small it's more work because somebody has to go through and

[3:28:37] Trustee Luckham: do that somebody else has to go yeah that and you know there's quite a bit of time involved and

[3:28:43] Trustee Luckham: And, you know, unfortunately, and Heather, I completely honor and respect everything

[3:28:49] Trustee Luckham: that you do, but there are criticisms that from LTCs that we don't get enough work done.

[3:28:56] Trustee Luckham: And it's because the staff is running as fast as it can already.

[3:29:01] Trustee Luckham: And every LTC, which how many do you have, Heather?

[3:29:05] Trustee Luckham: Seven.

[3:29:06] Trustee Luckham: Seven LTCs all want an extra little bit.

[3:29:09] Trustee Luckham: and at the end of the day an entire person's day or two days is gone and that work is not

[3:29:15] Trustee Luckham: that energy is not being focused on projects and applications that everybody wants to get done

[3:29:21] Trustee Luckham: so i would say that we need to take responsibility as the elected in in um in being sure that when

[3:29:31] Trustee Luckham: we're doing motions that we're clear on what they are and that we're articulating what we

[3:29:37] Trustee Luckham: weren't recorded because of course the other side of the coin here is which we've had uh pushback

[3:29:42] Trustee Luckham: from is recording less and less and less in the minutes there's actually proper minutes is what

[3:29:48] Trustee Luckham: we're told only actually record the motions they don't record any of this other chair chatter that

[3:29:54] Trustee Luckham: goes on and so um and heather thank you you often say

[3:30:00] Trustee Luckham: motion is helpful so let's be clear on the motion and get the motion and then in theory when we get

[3:30:05] Trustee Luckham: to actually that rwn that says here's the draft minutes we go yeah that looks like the motions

[3:30:10] Trustee Luckham: that we had well maybe there's a minor little tweak and that doesn't there shouldn't be a big

[3:30:14] Trustee Luckham: disagreement so i think the responsibility if we want to get those out and set an expectation

[3:30:20] Trustee Luckham: having the minutes go out we own it as much as anybody else and i don't i'm reluctant to create

[3:30:26] Trustee Luckham: more work. So that's just my two cents. What do you guys think? Peter seemed to like the idea of

[3:30:33] Trustee Luckham: trying this again.

[3:30:36] Voice 10: Yeah, I really do. I have to say that when I had questions about the minutes

[3:30:41] Voice 10: when we were trying to do it by RWM, I had quite a few goes back and forth with Heather and

[3:30:48] Voice 10: was unable to resolve it. And that's why I didn't go ahead. And then I realized much later that,

[3:30:54] Voice 10: But damn, there's a record at the meeting on the website.

[3:30:57] Voice 10: So I spent quite a bit of time.

[3:30:58] Voice 10: I was appalled at how long the meeting was.

[3:31:01] Voice 10: I hope that lunch hour was recorded too.

[3:31:03] Voice 10: But I found the various bits and sorted out what the minutes,

[3:31:08] Voice 10: what actually happened because I could hear it and see it.

[3:31:10] Voice 10: And that was a revelation to me.

[3:31:13] Voice 10: And it's very useful, but it's a very long meeting.

[3:31:18] Voice 10: My understanding of what Heather was suggesting,

[3:31:21] Voice 10: doing it from RWM, is if we get the draft minutes,

[3:31:24] Voice 10: each of us submits to her things that we think should be changed and as long as there's nothing

[3:31:30] Voice 10: contradictory she does those changes sends out a revised draft and if that's okay with all of us

[3:31:36] Voice 10: then we call a vote on that rwm and there's no discussion between us and so as long as you know

[3:31:44] Voice 10: we could have very complex amendments we wanted as long as they didn't contradict each other

[3:31:49] Voice 10: I

[3:31:50] Trustee Luckham: think that's about right is that correct Heather?

[3:31:53] Voice 5: Yes it is I will say that is still more

[3:31:57] Voice 5: work so I have to gather

[3:31:59] Voice 5: everybody's comments and put them all together and right I have to

[3:32:03] Voice 5: manage that so yeah I mean it's doable it's more work I will say too in response to Terluckham's

[3:32:12] Voice 5: idea about the motions is that one of the easiest things for us to do is to extract the motions

[3:32:19] Voice 5: from the draft minutes um and so it it is possible for us to extract those put them into a document

[3:32:28] Voice 5: that you could then distribute to your constituents to say here here are the motions that got made

[3:32:33] Voice 5: um so that's another option or I kept thinking about how the executive committee and or at least

[3:32:40] Voice 5: trust council has the highlights of your meeting I don't I don't necessarily want to add that to

[3:32:45] Voice 5: staff's list of things to do, but we could help you develop a highlight list if that's something

[3:32:52] Voice 5: of interest to you that you want to have go out. So some different ideas. The least amount of work

[3:32:58] Voice 5: is what we do now, which is to wait and put the draft in the package. And I think the second

[3:33:06] Voice 5: least amount of work would be to extract the motions and send them to you, and then you

[3:33:10] Voice 5: you distribute how you'd like all

[3:33:14] Trustee Luckham: right so you know i'm just gonna add in and that's i appreciate

[3:33:18] Trustee Luckham: that's very brave of you heather but i would probably point out that in in the last batch

[3:33:25] Trustee Luckham: of minutes that we approved today and probably the previous batch of minutes we actually rarely

[3:33:29] Trustee Luckham: if ever actually change a motion because dave olson does an excellent job in recording the

[3:33:36] Trustee Luckham: emotions so in that process as uh quite honestly uh there's going to be very we should uh and tell

[3:33:44] Trustee Luckham: me if i'm wrong heather we should be sending in grammatical fixes or all those minor things even

[3:33:50] Trustee Luckham: before it ends up in the package and i'm contemplating that that's the level of that

[3:33:56] Trustee Luckham: that happens and that um and that like the things today were pretty simple could have been emailed

[3:34:02] Trustee Luckham: mailed in could have been agreed upon and we would move forward and peter you're you're on the ball

[3:34:07] Trustee Luckham: there by saying well i just went through the recording and figured out what was going on and

[3:34:12] Trustee Luckham: everything's fine or it's not fine and if if indeed there's evidence in the recording that

[3:34:17] Trustee Luckham: something was recorded incorrectly then there's also no debate over that because heather can go

[3:34:23] Trustee Luckham: yeah that's what was said on the recording and and it goes forward so i still reluctant to create

[3:34:29] Trustee Luckham: yet a new document because it does yeah it's got its own set of things and the island's trust

[3:34:35] Trustee Luckham: council has more staff to do those little things what you do and i'm trying to protect your

[3:34:41] Trustee Luckham: resources heather so i appreciate that

[3:34:43] Trustee Luckham: i think that trustee johnson's suggestion let's try the

[3:34:48] Trustee Luckham: rw thing again and see what happens and i want to respect that trustee peterson has said let's

[3:34:54] Trustee Luckham: Let's be careful about setting a false expectation.

[3:34:58] Voice 10: Great.

[3:35:00] Voice 10: I'd add that on occasion, I have sent an email out on my own saying, this is my understanding

[3:35:06] Voice 10: and memory of what we decided at the meeting.

[3:35:09] Voice 10: But the minutes will be officially posted.

[3:35:13] Voice 10: And that's fine.

[3:35:14] Voice 10: Yeah.

[3:35:15] Trustee Luckham: And in fact, you know, the thing is, is we are live streaming.

[3:35:21] Trustee Luckham: We are recording.

[3:35:22] Trustee Luckham: This meeting will be posted.

[3:35:24] Voice 3: People

[3:35:24] Trustee Luckham: can review it.

[3:35:26] Trustee Luckham: And, you know, it's not that hard to fast forward through

[3:35:28] Trustee Luckham: or play it at double time or whatever it is you want to do.

[3:35:32] Voice 10: I didn't know you could play at double time.

[3:35:34] Trustee Luckham: I think you can.

[3:35:37] Trustee Luckham: I'll

[3:35:37] Voice 10: look for that.

[3:35:38] Trustee Luckham: Most of the videos I ever watch, I usually play it at double time

[3:35:42] Trustee Luckham: because the people talk so slow.

[3:35:44] Voice 10: Yeah.

[3:35:46] Trustee Luckham: So do you need

[3:35:47] Trustee Luckham: a motion or something with respect to this, Heather,

[3:35:50] Trustee Luckham: for the record that we would like to attempt to approve minutes

[3:35:57] Trustee Luckham: by RWM?

[3:35:59] Voice 5: I am still not clear on whether or not you want us to make this a

[3:36:04] Voice 5: standard practice going forward and we're initiating the RWM or you're

[3:36:11] Voice 5: gonna leave it up to you each time to initiate an RWM after each meeting?

[3:36:18] Voice 5: The way

[3:36:19] Trustee Luckham: it happens on other LTCs in my experience is that the staff

[3:36:30] Voice 5: So I'm assuming there would be a time frame after we have a meeting in which, okay, I'd

[3:36:37] Trustee Luckham: have to send out the

[3:36:38] Voice 5: draft minutes. Right. Okay. So

[3:36:40] Voice 5: Have to

[3:36:41] Trustee Luckham: tell us what that is. Okay.

[3:36:43] Trustee Luckham: Because you have to get them from day to a couple of weeks easily,

[3:36:47] Voice 5: right. So yeah, a motion. We do need a motion for sure.

[3:36:53] Voice 10: I move that we see a motion to approve the draft minutes and approve the draft minutes.

[3:36:56] Voice 10: if we could ask staff to facilitate approval of the minutes by RWM for this

[3:37:05] Voice 10: meeting and my intention is not to start it a policy forever let's just see how

[3:37:10] Voice 10: it goes and if it's more work than it's worth we'll stop it okay if it's yeah

[3:37:15] Voice 10: okay

[3:37:17] Trustee Luckham: do you want to second that Peter or Tim Tim rather sorry I'm never gonna get

[3:37:22] Trustee Luckham: this straight i think and so then i'll ask for the call to motion for a vote all those in favor

[3:37:31] Trustee Luckham: right that carries thanks everybody for the conversation and thanks for

[3:37:35] Trustee Luckham: supporting me and thanks for supporting other to try and make the point um and the community

[3:37:41] Trustee Luckham: yeah i get it the community wants to know what happened so i'm going to go to the next section

[3:37:45] Trustee Luckham: 11.5 letter of support for ocean legacy foundation for coastal cleanup of the central salish area

[3:37:51] Trustee Luckham: area for discussion and Peter I believe you brought this to our attention.

[3:37:56] Voice 10: I did and I sent

[3:37:59] Voice 10: you an email early this morning with some background information and a trustee letter

[3:38:05] Voice 10: that I've provided to them in the event that the local trust committee decides not to

[3:38:13] Voice 10: provide one. I don't think it's essential but I think it can help. This is a grant and the

[3:38:20] Voice 10: the link to the website is in the document i sent this morning and i assume that that document will

[3:38:26] Voice 10: be posted in somewhere on the website as part of this uh um i'm sorry i didn't have it together to

[3:38:34] Voice 10: do it in time to get it into the agenda package but he didn't basically it's a well have you had

[3:38:41] Voice 10: a chance to read that document i sent this morning the email i

[3:38:45] Trustee Luckham: was only able to glance at it i it

[3:38:48] Trustee Luckham: It came in whenever it is that it came in

[3:38:51] Trustee Luckham: and I had so many things on the go this morning already.

[3:38:54] Voice 10: That

[3:38:55] Trustee Luckham: came in at quarter to eight, yeah.

[3:38:57] Voice 10: I didn't

[3:38:59] Voice 8: receive it at all.

[3:39:01] Voice 8: Oh, really?

[3:39:02] Voice 8: It was

[3:39:02] Voice 10: to the Skidney Island Local Trust Committee.

[3:39:06] Voice 8: For whatever reason,

[3:39:07] Voice 8: I may be having some trouble with my email.

[3:39:11] Voice 8: I saw Will sent me something today

[3:39:14] Voice 8: and I went to go look for it and it's immediately gone.

[3:39:16] Voice 8: on, so I'm going to have to talk to Mark. It may be a technical issue and not an omission

[3:39:24] Voice 8: on your part.

[3:39:25] Voice 8: Okay.

[3:39:28] Trustee Luckham: I'll suggest,

[3:39:29] Trustee Luckham: Peter, that this is very supportable and that potentially if you could pull it

[3:39:36] Trustee Luckham: together with the letter and whatever's done this could be done by rwm um um if you can

[3:39:46] Trustee Luckham: create the dot where you actually attach the letter and stuff so um yeah well

[3:39:54] Voice 10: briefly that

[3:39:55] Voice 10: the proposal they grant the minimum application you can make is um half a million dollars and

[3:40:03] Voice 10: And there's no way Liskiti can make a half a million dollars.

[3:40:05] Voice 10: And we could spend it, but we couldn't justify it.

[3:40:09] Voice 10: And so a group of people has gotten together.

[3:40:12] Voice 10: Donald Gordon is the Liskiti person who has coordinated this,

[3:40:16] Voice 10: using Ocean Legacy, the people that received the plastic

[3:40:19] Voice 10: down somewhere in the lower mainland.

[3:40:23] Voice 10: And it goes from Gabriela up, I think, as high as Quadra,

[3:40:29] Voice 10: includes Tla'Amin, Powell River, Denman, Hornby. I can't remember. I've lost the letter I had just

[3:40:37] Voice 10: now. Sorry, I'll find it.

[3:40:39] Trustee Luckham: Well, that's okay.

[3:40:41] Voice 10: So this group together has put in a proposal,

[3:40:45] Voice 10: and Donald asked if I could provide and asked Andrew if the QRD could provide or he could

[3:40:51] Voice 10: provide a letter of support. I think this is eminently supportable. It's to provide,

[3:40:57] Voice 10: and I'm sorry, I, okay, here it is.

[3:41:10] Voice 10: I don't know.

[3:41:12] Trustee Luckham: Well, you know, I think it comes back to,

[3:41:14] Trustee Luckham: I would suggest that you handle this as an RWM

[3:41:18] Trustee Luckham: because, of course, Claire Freyder's department,

[3:41:22] Trustee Luckham: this is an advocacy thing.

[3:41:24] Trustee Luckham: She's going to look at the letter and, you know,

[3:41:26] Trustee Luckham: just quickly to be sure that we're not saying

[3:41:29] Trustee Luckham: paying something outrageous, and it would just go through a process.

[3:41:37] Voice 10: So who do I send it to, Claire?

[3:41:39] Trustee Luckham: No, no, send it to Heather.

[3:41:42] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[3:41:43] Trustee Luckham: And is that okay, Heather?

[3:41:45] Trustee Luckham: You can shuffle that off.

[3:41:47] Voice 10: And you've got it, Heather?

[3:41:51] Voice 10: Did you receive the email this morning?

[3:41:53] Voice 10: I did.

[3:41:54] Voice 10: Okay.

[3:41:55] Voice 10: And the deadline, it has to be submitted by the 15th of February.

[3:41:59] Voice 10: so uh uh donald or ocean legacy will need it before that if is that doable well if it isn't

[3:42:07] Voice 10: doable they have my letter but it would be great if if the uh ltc could support it i think it's

[3:42:13] Voice 10: going to provide six people with three weeks work at 200 a day something like that it's in that

[3:42:20] Voice 10: email and tim i'll send it to you uh as soon as we finish here okay thank you is

[3:42:26] Trustee Luckham: that okay peter

[3:42:27] Trustee Luckham: Tim. Yep. Yep. Okay. So then that completes new business. Thank you, everybody. Reports.

[3:42:38] Trustee Luckham: We've got two here, October 6th and November 24th, trust conservancy reports.

[3:42:46] Trustee Luckham: I think you can take it as they are written. The only update I might add is that,

[3:42:53] Trustee Luckham: But and it doesn't look like maybe you got the December or January when I'm sort of thinking there's another one in there where it's identified that maybe that was just a letter that went out to everybody that Kate Emmings has taken the full time job of the manager.

[3:43:10] Trustee Luckham: and that's been newly allocated within the PSA at a managerial level, and so really pleased

[3:43:17] Trustee Luckham: that Kate Emmings has stepped up to continue the work that she's been doing for quite a

[3:43:23] Trustee Luckham: while now.

[3:43:24] Trustee Luckham: And, of course, we wish Jennifer Lyson every success in her work at the Ministry in also

[3:43:30] Trustee Luckham: preserving and protecting the lands and places in the Salish Sea.

[3:43:36] Trustee Luckham: I also wanted to mention on this note when Andrew Fall reminded me about Bolinas Island there when

[3:43:45] Trustee Luckham: he was talking and I think I've lost it now but let me just try one more time to pull this up

[3:43:53] Trustee Luckham: but I think it's West Bolinas Island was recently there we go West Bolinas Island

[3:44:04] Trustee Luckham: Island was recently adopted into the BC Parks Foundation by the BC Parks Foundation as a

[3:44:12] Trustee Luckham: provincial marine park. And of course, that's right in your neighborhood there. And that's a

[3:44:17] Trustee Luckham: really significant event. They hope to secure all of the crown islets in that area, even including

[3:44:27] Trustee Luckham: including North Grand Chelsea Island, which is leased by D&D or through D&D to the United

[3:44:34] Trustee Luckham: States.

[3:44:35] Trustee Luckham: A mistaken island is privately owned and of course that will continue to be privately

[3:44:39] Trustee Luckham: owned.

[3:44:40] Trustee Luckham: But that's a significant level of protection to one of the few areas that is not highly

[3:44:49] Trustee Luckham: populated and of a unique nature in the Islands Trust, which by the way is also part of the

[3:44:57] Trustee Luckham: the Mount Arrowsmith Biosphere Reserve.

[3:45:00] Trustee Luckham: So there's a lot of marine protection right in that area,

[3:45:04] Trustee Luckham: which is significant, and this was a big day,

[3:45:08] Trustee Luckham: I think, for a lot of people to raise the kind of money.

[3:45:11] Trustee Luckham: It was a lot of money, if I remember rightly.

[3:45:13] Trustee Luckham: They don't actually say here,

[3:45:14] Trustee Luckham: but it was a lot of money raised to acquire that

[3:45:17] Trustee Luckham: as a parkland, so provincial park.

[3:45:21] Trustee Luckham: So unless somebody else has something to offer

[3:45:23] Trustee Luckham: about their conservancy, that's my two cents worth.

[3:45:28] Trustee Luckham: uh tim peterson i

[3:45:31] Voice 8: just wanted to mention that uh jenkins island just off luskete is uh

[3:45:37] Voice 8: now for sale for a bargain 2.8 million dollars and i think it would be a great conservation project

[3:45:46] Trustee Luckham: right so we have that

[3:45:48] Voice 10: much in our budget for the luskete local trust committee left over

[3:45:54] Trustee Luckham: i i think we'll look to tim peterson for his piggy bank and see if there's enough

[3:45:58] Trustee Luckham: quarters in it

[3:46:01] Trustee Luckham: Anyway, thank you for that and raise the profile, raise the attention to it because you never know

[3:46:08] Trustee Luckham: what happens. There are generous people out there and I'm grateful to every single one of them.

[3:46:13] Trustee Luckham: But sure, Jenkins Island, protect it. I'm going to keep going if that's all right.

[3:46:18] Trustee Luckham: And this brings us to the application report dated January the 21st and Regional Planning

[3:46:24] Trustee Luckham: Manager Coward, do you have any new information you'd like to share with us or just go for

[3:46:28] Trustee Luckham: for questions. Nope. Any questions, trustees on the

[3:46:32] Trustee Luckham: applications report on page 86?

[3:46:39] Voice 10: My only question is, is anything happening? Are these? What's

[3:46:43] Voice 10: what's next on the on these?

[3:46:48] Trustee Luckham: As far

[3:46:54] Voice 5: as I understand it is Sonia has been working with the

[3:46:56] Voice 5: applicants to try and get information in. And that's kind

[3:47:03] Voice 5: of where we're still at.

[3:47:04] Voice 5: Okay. So everybody

[3:47:07] Trustee Luckham: okay with that? Trustee and local expense reports dated October 2020.

[3:47:15] Trustee Luckham: I think there might even be another one of those lingering or coming shortly and of course

[3:47:24] Trustee Luckham: staff are anxious to get all of your expenses in for the end of last year as well as expenses

[3:47:30] Trustee Luckham: is in before March 31st, and in fact, well in advance of March 31st, so they can do their

[3:47:36] Trustee Luckham: budget numbers. And I'm guilty of not being on time as much as anybody else. So that's there

[3:47:43] Trustee Luckham: for information, and any questions could be directed to the staff and finance. Adopted

[3:47:48] Trustee Luckham: policies and standing resolutions is the next item that's on our list, and those are some standing

[3:47:54] Trustee Luckham: resolutions. And unless there's any changes to those, we'll receive that for information as well.

[3:47:59] Trustee Luckham: I

[3:47:59] Voice 10: have a couple of questions.

[3:48:03] Voice 10: Sorry.

[3:48:06] Voice 10: The first one is the standing resolution regarding First Nations reconciliation on the first page.

[3:48:13] Voice 10: The principles, the A, the annually read a letter to First Nations reintroducing trustees and staff

[3:48:20] Voice 10: before I scheduled no local trust committee meetings for the upcoming year.

[3:48:25] Voice 10: I did this as a trustee last year.

[3:48:28] Voice 10: Maybe it was two years ago.

[3:48:30] Voice 10: And I wonder if we could do this as a local trust committee together.

[3:48:36] Voice 10: They had an election in October, I think.

[3:48:39] Voice 10: They have a new haggis and three, I think, new councillors.

[3:48:45] Voice 10: And I think it would be a good thing for us to do.

[3:48:48] Voice 10: I'm happy to do it on my own, and I will not make the mistake again of doing it on my personal email address.

[3:48:55] Voice 10: address so

[3:48:56] Trustee Luckham: let's go to trustee peterson and i want to see what heather has to say about

[3:49:02] Trustee Luckham: staff support um

[3:49:04] Voice 8: my in terms of sending this out as an ltc my reading of the uh the standing

[3:49:11] Voice 8: resolution was that that was the intent is that the ltc um send that out my taking

[3:49:21] Voice 5: this as um

[3:49:23] Voice 5: an annual task and so we have drafted those letters but we hadn't we hadn't necessarily

[3:49:31] Voice 5: taken it as direction that we would have to bring the letter back to you to a meeting

[3:49:36] Voice 5: every year um we have drafted it to have the chair sign it and send it out um so that so it

[3:49:46] Voice 5: is drafted and it may will may know when we're the other if we've actually sent it out yet or not

[3:49:50] Voice 5: so

[3:49:52] Voice 8: i guess if we just were uh notified when it goes out or that that would be sufficient i would

[3:49:58] Voice 8: say it

[3:49:59] Trustee Luckham: could be in the correspondence will uh do you have a status report for us

[3:50:03] Voice 6: uh yeah i do

[3:50:05] Voice 6: actually i'm going to be um sending those letters out in the next couple of days they'll as they

[3:50:11] Voice 6: went out last year in march i believe from the ltc um and this year they're going to be going

[3:50:17] Voice 6: out in the next couple of days. The format is going to be a little bit different than it was

[3:50:22] Voice 6: last year. Last year, we were finding that I was finding that I was sending

[3:50:28] Voice 6: a very similar letter from every single LTC to many of the First Nations have multiple LTCs

[3:50:38] Voice 6: in their in their area of concern. And so this year, what we decided would be a little bit more

[3:50:44] Voice 6: First Nations focused would be to send one letter to each to each First Nation

[3:50:52] Voice 6: with information on all of the relevant local trust committees that were in

[3:50:57] Voice 6: there in their area in that First Nations area so the Liskety LTC

[3:51:05] Voice 6: information would be added as an attachment along with the other LTC's

[3:51:13] Voice 6: The specific information about scheduling and projects and who the contacts and trustees are for each area would be attached to a single letter that has overall information about Islands Trust.

[3:51:27] Voice 6: So that is the goal, and that is what Lisa, our senior intergovernmental advisor, has vetted those letters and suggested that that is a better approach.

[3:51:42] Voice 6: So that is the plan, and my plan is to have those in the mail on Wednesday.

[3:51:49] Voice 10: So who is the letter from then?

[3:51:52] Voice 10: The

[3:51:54] Voice 6: letter is essentially from Islands Trust as a whole or from all of the chairs and all of the local trust committees that are attached to that letter.

[3:52:09] Voice 6: So, for instance, let's say we have, I don't know, for example, Comox First Nation, and let's say

[3:52:16] Voice 6: Comox has Denman and Hornby, and I'm not sure, I have to look at my table to see if Liskiti is also within the

[3:52:24] Voice 6: Comox Nation's area of concern.

[3:52:27] Voice 6: concern then the letter would be would have information about all of the chairs and the

[3:52:34] Voice 6: local trustees for those three areas and would be signed by all of those chairs and then there

[3:52:41] Voice 6: would be a an individual attachment you know one that was for Laskiti one that was for Denman and

[3:52:48] Voice 6: one that was for Hornby that had the information specific to those local trust committees but it

[3:52:55] Voice 6: would mean that the the first nation wouldn't receive in essence a form letter from you know

[3:53:04] Voice 6: six

[3:53:04] Voice 9: different ltcs it just

[3:53:07] Voice 6: seemed a bit um

[3:53:08] Voice 9: more

[3:53:10] Voice 6: islands trust focused and or more local trust

[3:53:14] Voice 6: area focused and less first nation focused so that's why we kind of thought it would be good

[3:53:20] Voice 6: to flip it around and lisa agreed that that would would be the best option i can

[3:53:26] Voice 6: certainly i can

[3:53:28] Voice 6: certainly forward copies of that letter for you to have a look at before it gets sent out i'm

[3:53:35] Voice 6: happy to do that if you like i i would

[3:53:39] Trustee Luckham: suggest you follow yeah

[3:53:42] Voice 10: i was going to say especially

[3:53:43] Voice 10: if it's from the liskady local trust committee i would like to see it before it goes out

[3:53:47] Voice 10: sure i don't imagine i'll have any any trouble at all with it but yeah

[3:53:52] Voice 6: i mean everyone will be

[3:53:53] Voice 6: copied of course on on these emails but i can certainly send it to the um liskiti local trust

[3:54:01] Voice 6: committee to have a a look at it so you can see what it will what it would look like great thank

[3:54:07] Voice 10: you very much well okay

[3:54:08] Voice 6: no problem okay

[3:54:11] Trustee Luckham: so does that cover policies and standing resolution no i

[3:54:15] Trustee Luckham: I

[3:54:15] Voice 10: have one more.

[3:54:17] Voice 10: It's down at the bottom of the second page.

[3:54:21] Voice 10: The establishment of the Skiddy Island

[3:54:23] Voice 10: Transportation Advisory Committee,

[3:54:25] Voice 10: and I noticed this again,

[3:54:26] Voice 10: and I'm wondering who they're supposed to work with

[3:54:29] Voice 10: and what sort of topics on transportation

[3:54:33] Voice 10: that they're supposed to do.

[3:54:38] Voice 10: I mean, the Islands Trust has a memorandum

[3:54:42] Voice 10: of understanding with MOTI.

[3:54:44] Voice 10: Is that the kind of work they do?

[3:54:46] Voice 10: but that's from the uh trust council not not individual local trust committees is that that

[3:54:56] Voice 5: particular apc was formed at the time for a particular purpose at the time um and i don't

[3:55:02] Voice 5: know all the details of that but it was adopted as a standing resolution presumably so that

[3:55:09] Voice 5: if you decided to form a transportation maybe it sounds like you guys yeah sound like trustee

[3:55:14] Voice 5: HAB-Masyn Moyer- Peterson may know more about it, but that would be my take on it is that they were formed at the time and you could form them again if you wanted to.

[3:55:25] Trustee Luckham: HAB-Terry Palmos- trustee Peterson anything yeah,

[3:55:28] Voice 8: so this was from last term, and the idea behind this was that if we needed to have such a committee on a short term that the apc could jump in and fill that role.

[3:55:46] Voice 8: So if we had a sort of a time sensitive issue with the response to MOT that we wouldn't have to then go out and, you know, recruit a committee specially for this.

[3:56:03] Voice 8: um so it's essentially a placeholder in case of uh of a time sensitive response being required

[3:56:12] Voice 8: um uh to some requests from moti

[3:56:17] Trustee Luckham: okay so is that good peter sorry

[3:56:22] Voice 10: yes so

[3:56:24] Trustee Luckham: local trust committee web

[3:56:26] Trustee Luckham: page is our next item i think there was i'd maybe suggest that the forest conservation outreach

[3:56:32] Trustee Luckham: briefing might be posted on our web page if you desire and if that's possible so

[3:56:39] Trustee Luckham: is there anything else from the trust web page and do you and do you desire

[3:56:46] Trustee Luckham: having that published there on a little skinny page or not

[3:56:49] Voice 10: sorry having what

[3:56:51] Voice 10: published here the

[3:56:52] Trustee Luckham: forest conservation outreach briefing oh

[3:56:55] Voice 10: sure that's yeah I

[3:56:56] Voice 10: think that's a good idea yeah

[3:56:58] Trustee Luckham: I agree is that okay Heather do you need a motion

[3:57:02] Trustee Luckham: to that effect? I think you do.

[3:57:06] Voice 10: I move that we ask staff to post the Forest

[3:57:10] Voice 10: Conservation Outreach Briefing Report particularly to the Coastal

[3:57:21] Voice 10: Legos Forest, well just that, on the website.

[3:57:25] Trustee Luckham: Okay move. Do I have a seconder, Tim? Second. All those in favor?

[3:57:30] Trustee Luckham: all right there you go heather another motion so i'm going to go to our work program we have

[3:57:38] Trustee Luckham: two items here the top priorities which i think you're both familiar with and the projects list

[3:57:44] Trustee Luckham: and um does uh does does regional planning manager carroll have any comments on either

[3:57:51] Trustee Luckham: of those at this time or just look to the trustees for any comments or questions trustees anything

[3:57:58] Voice 10: I'm just questioning, we've got three on there on my copy, the model cell tower strategy.

[3:58:04] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[3:58:05] Voice 10: But that's, we don't have staff or time to do anything about it, but it's there.

[3:58:10] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[3:58:11] Voice 10: Okay.

[3:58:13] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[3:58:14] Trustee Luckham: So then we'll just receive those, both of those reports for information.

[3:58:19] Trustee Luckham: We don't have an in-camera session today.

[3:58:21] Trustee Luckham: So our next regular scheduled meeting is from Monday, April the 6th.

[3:58:26] Trustee Luckham: and i do believe yes sir

[3:58:30] Voice 8: i i would just point out that the invitation that i have uh for email is

[3:58:35] Voice 8: for april 26th that's what i have on my calendar that's

[3:58:39] Voice 10: what i have on mine

[3:58:40] Trustee Luckham: that's interesting

[3:58:42] Trustee Luckham: so that may

[3:58:43] Trustee Luckham: have been a typo well

[3:58:44] Trustee Luckham: i'm going to look on my calendar april 26th is what's on my

[3:58:51] Trustee Luckham: calendar and normally we meet

[3:58:54] Trustee Luckham: on a Monday so it would be April the 5th if

[3:58:57] Trustee Luckham: it was any other than the 26 I think I think the two got left off possibly I

[3:59:04] Trustee Luckham: think you're correct Heather do you concur

[3:59:10] Voice 5: you'd

[3:59:12] Trustee Luckham: have to go

[3:59:13] Trustee Luckham: back to the resolution probably well let's leave it that that's what's on our

[3:59:18] Trustee Luckham: calendar and you can get back to us if there's any serious problem

[3:59:22] Voice 5: my calendar

[3:59:24] Trustee Luckham: as well so we'll all be here so I was gonna say that we've come to we made a

[3:59:35] Trustee Luckham: resolution about the draft minutes being processed by RWM in advance of that

[3:59:42] Trustee Luckham: meeting if we can and then Peter Johnson wanted to rejig the agenda today by

[3:59:50] Trustee Luckham: by moving reports ahead of town hall.

[3:59:55] Trustee Luckham: And quite honestly, I, to some extent,

[3:59:58] Trustee Luckham: think that business arising.

[4:00:00] Trustee Luckham: the minutes is something that if you're going to report to the community which i think is a really

[4:00:05] Trustee Luckham: valuable thing um then um then that might be included and otherwise if there's any and

[4:00:13] Trustee Luckham: delegations we normally put delegations in town hall together so there's a complete rework of the

[4:00:18] Trustee Luckham: agenda which i'm not normally adverse to doing but maybe i think this is a good idea because it's

[4:00:24] Trustee Luckham: going to maybe revert it back to something closer to the standard that we're using across the trust

[4:00:29] Trustee Luckham: Heather, do you have any remarks about amending the agenda again?

[4:00:35] Trustee Luckham: No.

[4:00:36] Trustee Luckham: Trustees, what would you like to do?

[4:00:42] Voice 8: I'm in favor of putting the town hall after the minutes and the reports.

[4:00:51] Voice 8: courts and perhaps that i i think that that makes sense that uh that attendees uh the public get a

[4:01:00] Voice 8: chance to um you know hear some of what we had done and and as you say business arising from

[4:01:08] Voice 8: minutes and stuff um

[4:01:10] Trustee Luckham: so that if

[4:01:11] Voice 8: they wish to comment on that yeah so

[4:01:13] Trustee Luckham: do you want to make a

[4:01:14] Trustee Luckham: motion then that the agenda the next meeting agenda be amended to move town hall following

[4:01:21] Trustee Luckham: reports minutes and business arriving rising uh

[4:01:31] Voice 8: i move that the next uh ltc agenda um that town

[4:01:36] Voice 8: hall be um the agenda be um amended so that uh town hall appears uh after uh minutes business

[4:01:49] Voice 8: business arriving and reports.

[4:01:53] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[4:01:55] Trustee Luckham: Do I have a seconder, Peter Johnson?

[4:02:00] Trustee Luckham: Sorry,

[4:02:01] Voice 10: I was coughing, I muted myself.

[4:02:05] Voice 10: I'll second the motion, but I don't think I support it.

[4:02:09] Voice 10: The advantage of having it where we do is it's very close

[4:02:12] Voice 10: to the beginning of the meeting and people will only have

[4:02:14] Voice 10: to wait around for five or 10 minutes.

[4:02:17] Voice 10: It was more like 10 to 15 today

[4:02:20] Voice 10: when we had the reports first.

[4:02:21] Voice 10: First, if it's after the reports, the minutes and the business arising, it could be anything from 45 minutes to two hours after the beginning of the meeting.

[4:02:33] Voice 10: And I think there's, you know, since there's only one option to one opportunity to speak, when we adopted this format, we also had another town hall at the end of the meeting.

[4:02:44] Voice 10: um i i there's really big advantages to keeping it as close to the beginning as possible so people

[4:02:53] Voice 10: who are busy who take the time to come and say something can say that right away unless we

[4:03:00] Voice 10: schedule it for a certain time and interrupt what we're doing to have it done and

[4:03:09] Trustee Luckham: there lies the

[4:03:10] Trustee Luckham: conundrum

[4:03:11] Voice 11: um

[4:03:12] Trustee Luckham: because the prince the rationale for advancing reports to ahead of the town hall was

[4:03:19] Trustee Luckham: to report out. And indeed, I would suggest that if we're adopting minutes by RWM, the only thing

[4:03:30] Trustee Luckham: that is on the minutes section would be resolution without meeting reports and advisory planning

[4:03:37] Trustee Luckham: commission reports, which we receive quickly. And the follow up action list is usually very short.

[4:03:43] Trustee Luckham: And that would be, I think, an important piece of advisory information.

[4:03:47] Trustee Luckham: so I'm sort of debating the motion here but that's how we do it in other places and I don't

[4:03:55] Trustee Luckham: think it would be two hours it might be half an hour but I'd like to think that people would

[4:03:59] Trustee Luckham: like to hang around and watch all the discussion that we interesting yeah the

[4:04:06] Voice 10: follow-up actions

[4:04:07] Voice 10: is there in the agenda package and presumably people will have read it the trustee and regional

[4:04:14] Voice 10: and chair reports are not they're verbal that's okay that's why I thought so I

[4:04:20] Trustee Luckham: have a motion it was moved and I think you seconded it and you can choose to

[4:04:24] Trustee Luckham: vote as you see fit I guess so shall I call the vote all those in favor does

[4:04:33] Trustee Luckham: that mean I'm the only one all those opposed no

[4:04:36] Voice 8: I voted in favor I was just

[4:04:39] Trustee Luckham: wondering

[4:04:40] Voice 8: I was just wondering if

[4:04:42] Voice 8: yeah it's okay it's digital are you know

[4:04:46] Voice 8: didn't put the digital up um i was just wondering if uh if trustee johnson had a an amendment or

[4:04:54] Voice 8: another suggestion i i i thought i i had a recollection that he had asked to have the

[4:05:01] Voice 8: town hall moved up this morning um so if if there's a a spot that he feels is more of a

[4:05:07] Voice 8: sweet spot i'm totally open to considering that i'm not attached okay so

[4:05:14] Voice 8: let me just say then

[4:05:15] Voice 8: And

[4:05:15] Trustee Luckham: so, Trustee Johnson, do you have an amendment to the motion?

[4:05:19] Voice 10: Not really, because it goes against the general tenor of the motion.

[4:05:24] Voice 10: I mean, I really think that the minutes are there, the draft minutes are there for people to have read.

[4:05:30] Voice 10: The follow-up action list is there for people to have read.

[4:05:33] Voice 10: If they have questions or comments on it, they can raise them early.

[4:05:37] Voice 10: The only thing that isn't there that I think is important and could lead to some discussion,

[4:05:41] Voice 10: or at least information is the chair, trustees

[4:05:45] Voice 10: and director report.

[4:05:46] Trustee Luckham: Right, and so I'm not looking for a friendly amendment

[4:05:49] Trustee Luckham: because yes, indeed, you're right.

[4:05:52] Trustee Luckham: You would be changing the motion.

[4:05:53] Trustee Luckham: I'm looking for an amendment to the motion

[4:05:55] Trustee Luckham: to say that rather than follow a business horizon

[4:06:01] Trustee Luckham: for the minutes that town hall follow reports.

[4:06:05] Voice 10: I would like it to say that, but can I make it amendment

[4:06:10] Voice 10: to take out those, to take out minutes

[4:06:13] Voice 10: and follow up action list.

[4:06:15] Trustee Luckham: That's the best way to do it, thank you.

[4:06:17] Voice 10: I move that we amend the motion by taking out minutes

[4:06:20] Voice 10: and follow up action list

[4:06:22] Trustee Luckham: and

[4:06:23] Voice 10: have the-

[4:06:25] Voice 10: I'll second that, I'm fine with that.

[4:06:27] Voice 10: Have the town hall immediately after the reports.

[4:06:30] Trustee Luckham: Okay, well, so sorry for leading you down a bad path.

[4:06:34] Trustee Luckham: But anyway, let's call the vote on the motion to amend.

[4:06:38] Trustee Luckham: And Dave Olson, you're with us on that?

[4:06:43] Voice 4: Yes, I am.

[4:06:44] Voice 4: Thank you.

[4:06:45] Trustee Luckham: Excellent.

[4:06:45] Trustee Luckham: Good work.

[4:06:46] Trustee Luckham: So all those in favor?

[4:06:49] Trustee Luckham: And that carries unanimously.

[4:06:51] Trustee Luckham: Note that.

[4:06:52] Trustee Luckham: And so now we're back to the amended motion, which was the original idea from Trustee Johnson.

[4:06:57] Trustee Luckham: And so can I call a vote on the amended motion?

[4:07:01] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[4:07:03] Trustee Luckham: And again, that's unanimous.

[4:07:05] Trustee Luckham: Isn't democracy glorious?

[4:07:06] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[4:07:07] Trustee Luckham: Thank you. If I'm not mistaken, at 1.40, I think we've concluded today's meeting.

[4:07:15] Voice 10: No, no, I actually have, I'm going to ask for one more thing. Under the projects list,

[4:07:21] Voice 10: oh dear, I can't find the projects list. I would like to ask, is it appropriate to add

[4:07:36] Voice 10: a Squiddy Bay plan or plan for Squiddy Bay.

[4:07:41] Voice 10: Sorry, I don't mean Squiddy Bay, I mean Scotty Bay.

[4:07:44] Voice 10: And I also would like to ask,

[4:07:46] Voice 10: is it appropriate to add the shoreline

[4:07:53] Voice 10: exploration mapping project?

[4:07:55] Voice 10: Andrew had a great name for it.

[4:07:56] Voice 10: Don't remember what it was.

[4:07:59] Voice 10: I mean, do you have any feelings

[4:08:02] Voice 10: about whether those are appropriate to add now?

[4:08:04] Voice 10: Now, should there be some written material

[4:08:06] Voice 10: before they're added or is it inappropriate?

[4:08:10] Voice 10: I have a feeling about this.

[4:08:11] Voice 8: I have a feeling about that Peter.

[4:08:12] Voice 8: And that is that yes, I'd like to have some more information

[4:08:17] Voice 8: before we add them to the project list.

[4:08:20] Voice 8: So I'd appreciate it if we got some information

[4:08:22] Voice 8: and made that determination at our next meeting.

[4:08:26] Voice 8: Okay.

[4:08:28] Trustee Luckham: So then I'll leave that in your hands, Peter Johnson,

[4:08:31] Trustee Luckham: to advance some material to the LTC.

[4:08:33] Trustee Luckham: i'll i'll

[4:08:34] Trustee Luckham: try to have it

[4:08:35] Voice 10: in the agenda package for our april meeting our next meeting okay

[4:08:41] Voice 10: so i think we're done aren't we we

[4:08:43] Trustee Luckham: are done thank you all very much thanks everybody

[4:08:48] Trustee Luckham: all those

[4:08:49] Trustee Luckham: in favor hi i'm

[4:08:51] Voice 8: in favor thank you

[4:08:52] Voice 10: indicate by leaving that's right

[4:08:55] Trustee Luckham: thanks okay thanks everybody paul william uh heather dave and will thank you everybody and

[4:09:02] Trustee Luckham: and of course the trustee.

[4:09:04] Voice 10: Thank you all.

[4:09:04] Voice 10: Thank you, chair.

[4:09:05] Voice 10: Thank you all.