Gambier Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, February 4, 2021

[0:00:00] Trustee Fast: and welcome to the, oh, now part of my, good morning, everybody, and welcome to the Gambier

[0:00:08] Trustee Fast: Island Local Trust Committee. And thanks for joining us. This is an electronic meeting,

[0:00:13] Trustee Fast: of course, because of COVID. And thanks for bearing with us, everybody. We're all coming

[0:00:19] Trustee Fast: in from our homes and different offices. And so we may have connectivity issues, please bear with

[0:00:26] Trustee Fast: us. I want to begin by acknowledging that we're fortunate to be able to gather here

[0:00:30] Trustee Fast: in locations across the traditional territory of the Coast Salish people.

[0:00:35] Trustee Fast: And I'm Sue Ellen Fast, elected on Bowen Island

[0:00:38] Trustee Fast: and chair of the Gambier Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:41] Trustee Fast: And Bowen is also known as Nukhlalakwem and Kualakam.

[0:00:46] Trustee Fast: And I'm joined here by Gambier Island trustees, Kate Louise Stamford.

[0:00:51] Trustee Fast: You wave. Thank you.

[0:00:53] Trustee Fast: And over there on Gambier.

[0:00:56] Trustee Fast: And can you say the Gambier name, Kate Louise?

[0:00:58] Trustee Fast: Louise?

[0:00:59] Trustee Stamford: One of the names is Ch'Altnowich.

[0:01:02] Trustee Fast: Thank you. That's the one I can't remember. And also

[0:01:06] Trustee Fast: joined by a local trustee, Dan Rogers from Keats Island. Dan, thank you. And that's called Lech

[0:01:13] Trustee Fast: Tynes. Is that right?

[0:01:14] Trustee Rogers: Yes, that seems to be the most common name, although as with many places,

[0:01:19] Trustee Rogers: there are names for various places around the island.

[0:01:23] Trustee Fast: Very good. And so we're the Gambier

[0:01:27] Trustee Fast: local island uh trustees sorry trust area trustees and uh in altkitsum how sound and um together we

[0:01:36] Trustee Fast: that we're the elected people in this meeting and also adjoining us as an elected person is uh

[0:01:43] Trustee Fast: regional district director uh mark helts hi mark uh

[0:01:47] Voice 2: hello nice nice to join you thank you

[0:01:50] Trustee Fast: And your SCRD area?

[0:01:53] Trustee Fast: Area

[0:01:53] Voice 2: F, West Coast Sound, which is in the Squamish area, would be called Chukwup.

[0:02:00] Voice 2: Thank you.

[0:02:00] Voice 2: It's the area which is between Gibsons and Grantham's Landing.

[0:02:04] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Very good.

[0:02:05] Trustee Fast: And so we're conducting this meeting electronically.

[0:02:08] Trustee Fast: Obviously, this is being recorded.

[0:02:11] Trustee Fast: I wanted to mention that.

[0:02:12] Trustee Fast: And live streamed.

[0:02:13] Trustee Fast: So there may be people who are watching on the YouTube kind of link.

[0:02:17] Trustee Fast: and um and we've got i see four attendees with us as well hello there and welcome and um if you

[0:02:26] Trustee Fast: can't attend today or if you have to drop out or connectivity fails it'll be recorded and you can

[0:02:31] Trustee Fast: catch up later and um we've got with us uh and it'll be posted on the islands trust website

[0:02:37] Trustee Fast: so when we get to the town hall and the public hearing portions of the meeting and if you'd like

[0:02:44] Trustee Fast: to speak you can raise your digital hand and uh there are ways to do that um either down at the

[0:02:50] Trustee Fast: bottom of the zoom screen or if you pull your cursor or your finger down you should see a hand

[0:02:55] Trustee Fast: icon at the bottom of the screen or if you're on your phone uh press star nine to unmute or to

[0:03:03] Trustee Fast: raise your hand and star six to unmute and um if you're looking at us on the live stream uh link

[0:03:11] Trustee Fast: you won't be able to raise your hand so um please find a way to join us electronically or call in

[0:03:18] Trustee Fast: if you'd like to participate and then you'll be able to raise your hand and we'll be able to hear

[0:03:22] Trustee Fast: you especially during the public hearing part of the meeting or the town hall and if you go to the

[0:03:27] Trustee Fast: islands trust website islands local trust areas gambier on that page you'll be able to figure out

[0:03:35] Trustee Fast: how to join in if you're watching us on live stream for some reason so we appreciate you

[0:03:43] Trustee Fast: bearing with us in this unusual situation and we've talked about if you have trouble

[0:03:51] Trustee Fast: with the connectivity you can't get in touch with people then Will Cottingham is the person to talk

[0:03:58] Trustee Fast: to Will if you could wave your hand there she's our office assistant administrative assistant and

[0:04:04] Trustee Fast: And she's also running the meeting back there.

[0:04:05] Trustee Fast: So if you contact her at wcottingham at islandstrust.bc.ca, she'll be able to help you.

[0:04:13] Trustee Fast: And she's going to be troubleshooting somewhat if we have connectivity issues.

[0:04:22] Trustee Fast: And we also have with us that staff.

[0:04:24] Trustee Fast: So besides the public, yourselves, us elected folks, we've got staff.

[0:04:30] Trustee Fast: So we're starting with Will.

[0:04:31] Trustee Fast: and I'd also like to introduce um uh excuse me Diane Corbett back there somewhere we may not

[0:04:38] Trustee Fast: see her but she's taking minutes all of these meetings are formal meetings so they have to

[0:04:43] Trustee Fast: follow the rules of British Columbia and have formal minutes taken so she's back there um are

[0:04:48] Trustee Fast: you there uh Diane can I just confirm I'm gonna let Will sort out it very good okay thank you

[0:05:02] Trustee Fast: Diane and um we've got with us a number of planners today we've got uh regional planning

[0:05:09] Trustee Fast: manager Heather Cower the boss of the planners for northern region welcome Heather and uh planners

[0:05:16] Trustee Fast: Marnie Egan Marnie thank you she'll be in with us for the OCP section and uh Courtney Simpson

[0:05:23] Trustee Fast: somewhere she'll come in probably later and we've got Jamie planner Dabinia morning Jamie

[0:05:31] Trustee Fast: Amy and um so this is uh these are the staff that will be helping us uh in bringing their

[0:05:37] Trustee Fast: professional expertise to the meeting today and then you've got us your local elected folks

[0:05:43] Trustee Fast: uh representing and um trying to uphold the official community plans and the purpose um

[0:05:49] Trustee Fast: an object of the island's trust have a good informed debate and uh and we've got your

[0:05:56] Trustee Fast: public input so between the three parts uh this is how good local governments um function we hope

[0:06:03] Trustee Fast: so i'd just like to mention um if we can work together today let's be hard on the issues and

[0:06:08] Trustee Fast: easy on each other and uh because they are we can be very passionate about our home places so

[0:06:15] Trustee Fast: please bear with us too because all of us including the staff are coming from

[0:06:19] Trustee Fast: homes or offices so we're kind of uh i feel a special responsibility for a safe workplace

[0:06:26] Trustee Fast: and um but um i think uh if you can direct your questions to us as trustees uh that'll really help

[0:06:34] Trustee Fast: uh as well if um if there's a question part of this on your comments i guess in the town hall

[0:06:41] Trustee Fast: and the public hearing okay and uh so just to introduce the program today we've got

[0:06:46] Trustee Fast: uh an agenda in front of us which is available at the islands trust website

[0:06:50] Trustee Fast: site that we'll be working for through and at 11 30 we've got a community information meeting to

[0:06:58] Trustee Fast: start about the Keats Island investments rezoning for the docks and at 11 50 the public hearing

[0:07:07] Trustee Fast: begins so we'll we kind of have to stick to those times as much as we can and so we may be moving

[0:07:15] Trustee Fast: moving around in the agenda and at some point we'll take a half hour lunch break and with that

[0:07:21] Trustee Fast: did I miss anything okay then I'll call a meeting to order and I'm going to ask for approval of the

[0:07:33] Trustee Fast: agendas or anything to add to the agenda not seeing anybody anybody okay so can I have a

[0:07:40] Trustee Fast: motion to accept the agenda so moved okay thank you Kate Louise and Dan says second and then

[0:07:50] Trustee Fast: discussion no all in favor thank you that passes unanimously very good and now we're into the

[0:07:57] Trustee Fast: report section trustee reports who'd like to start kate louise certainly

[0:08:02] Trustee Stamford: um i'm since um our meeting

[0:08:06] Trustee Stamford: at the end of november i i've been spending most of my time uh continuing to advance the new brighton

[0:08:12] Trustee Stamford: Dock long-term ownership challenge. I've attended via Zoom two SCRD planning and community development

[0:08:21] Trustee Stamford: meetings as the regional district continues to contemplate their role in how the divestiture

[0:08:27] Trustee Stamford: from the Squamish Nation can move forward. I continue to work with the new Brighton Dock

[0:08:34] Trustee Stamford: committee and I'm in contact with the office of the ombudsperson and also have reached out to our

[0:08:40] Trustee Stamford: MLA but to my knowledge there's been no response to my emails nor to the letter sent to the

[0:08:46] Trustee Stamford: Islands Trust Council to the province for the provincial ministry regarding some kind of

[0:08:52] Trustee Stamford: coordinated support to find an answer to this. I'm concerned again that the timeline for resolution

[0:08:59] Trustee Stamford: will not be quick enough for the Squamish and they will simply sell the dock to a private bidder

[0:09:05] Trustee Stamford: um and that just kicks the can down the road again as there's doesn't seem to be a realistic

[0:09:12] Trustee Stamford: way to make the dock a viable paying um operation i'll let director hilt speak to the scrd actions

[0:09:21] Trustee Stamford: further but just to note that whenever we speak about the new brighton dock with the regional

[0:09:27] Trustee Stamford: district um the untenable situation that they are facing with the nine community docs that they

[0:09:35] Trustee Stamford: are service right now continues to come up and at this point i'm not really hearing um how or when

[0:09:44] Trustee Stamford: there's an opportunity to be able to try and find a resolution to that um and whether or not a doc

[0:09:50] Trustee Stamford: review is in the works for the regional district i've also been working to provide information and

[0:09:57] Trustee Stamford: support to a new advocacy group, the Gambier Guardians, who are concerned about a planned

[0:10:02] Trustee Stamford: cut in Woodlot Lease 39. The spring cut crosses the headwaters of Whispering Creek, which supports

[0:10:10] Trustee Stamford: the West Bay community. That includes drinking water as well as a well-known chum salmon run.

[0:10:18] Trustee Stamford: So I hosted a webinar to give the lease operator the chance to provide information

[0:10:23] Trustee Stamford: and respond to questions and i've outlined a variety of initiatives that the guardians can

[0:10:29] Trustee Stamford: follow up in a wider sense of forests across gambier as well as what's happening in the

[0:10:34] Trustee Stamford: elkhartson region and i'm also in touch with the gambier island conservancy along some of the same

[0:10:40] Trustee Stamford: issues so again we can speak further to this when we come up to the topic about forests and how our

[0:10:47] Trustee Stamford: official community plan will be moving forward um i also attended the ocean watch action committee

[0:10:53] Trustee Stamford: webinar and um did participate in the glass sponge uh rock fish conservation area uh engagement

[0:11:03] Trustee Stamford: process that the federal government is pursuing and i did that with chair fast it was a great

[0:11:10] Trustee Stamford: session so that's all i have to report right now and diet just so you know diane does have a copy

[0:11:16] Trustee Stamford: of my activity report.

[0:11:19] Trustee Fast: Very good, okay thank you very much Kate.

[0:11:25] Trustee Rogers: Good morning everyone and well

[0:11:28] Trustee Rogers: and I'm glad to be joining you from Lectines this morning, actually I'm in Vancouver this morning

[0:11:33] Trustee Rogers: but glad to be a representative from Lectines. First of all I'm going to just ask you guys

[0:11:41] Trustee Rogers: publicly I for some reason didn't get notice of that glass. Trustee

[0:11:45] Trustee Fast: Rogers.

[0:11:46] Trustee Rogers: Yes I'm speaking

[0:11:49] Trustee Rogers: i'm speaking having

[0:11:52] Trustee Stamford: connectivity i can hear you fine dan but uh sue ellen did freeze yeah it's i

[0:11:59] Trustee Fast: think thank you please go ahead it's i've got internet instability happening on my end again

[0:12:04] Trustee Fast: like yesterday so i'll be in touch with will when i've got that problem but otherwise

[0:12:09] Trustee Fast: carry on i don't think you've got a

[0:12:12] Trustee Fast: yeah go ahead perhaps

[0:12:16] Voice 4: you can just turn off your video chair

[0:12:18] Voice 4: Fairfast and that oh yeah very good so

[0:12:26] Trustee Stamford: you didn't hear about the glass sponge no

[0:12:28] Trustee Rogers: so if you could

[0:12:29] Trustee Rogers: sort of send me whatever your notice was so that I can get get myself onto that list because

[0:12:35] Trustee Rogers: um I know Fairfast indicated she'd been to it as well and uh I I wasn't aware of it so um

[0:12:44] Trustee Rogers: that would be something I'd be interested in following as well I know that there have been

[0:12:49] Trustee Rogers: a number of more glassworms reefs in our area identified so and then they're working on

[0:12:55] Trustee Rogers: protection of milk so thank you for that so let my activities have I'll mention three things

[0:13:04] Trustee Rogers: and I won't spend a lot of time on this because I know it's a conservancy issue but of course

[0:13:09] Trustee Rogers: on Keats Island there is the dedication of Sandy Beach which has gotten a lot of

[0:13:15] Trustee Rogers: pick up by the media. There was a media release about a week ago, and it's been followed up on by

[0:13:23] Trustee Rogers: a wide variety of media. I'm very pleased to see that, including the spokespeople from the

[0:13:32] Trustee Rogers: Squamish Nation, that it's now, Heath Island is now starting to adopt its Squamish name,

[0:13:38] Trustee Rogers: which is lectines. I've been using it. I'm uncertain if that was correct for quite some

[0:13:44] Trustee Rogers: time. So this gives me some comfort that it's an appropriate use of the word. So I'll let the

[0:13:52] Trustee Rogers: Conservancy folks talk a little bit more about that when we get to that report, because it is

[0:13:57] Trustee Rogers: a Conservancy initiative. I've been spending some time, a fair amount of time in the last couple of

[0:14:04] Trustee Rogers: months on the trust programs committee which i sit as a representative of the exact executive

[0:14:10] Trustee Rogers: because we're doing a fairly um a fair amount of work around the renewal of the trust policy

[0:14:20] Trustee Rogers: statement and just uh for those that aren't i mean it's a bit of a it's a bit of a bureaucratic

[0:14:25] Trustee Rogers: speak but the trust policy statement is like the is is similar to an official community plan for

[0:14:32] Trustee Rogers: for the whole of the trust area.

[0:14:34] Trustee Rogers: It sets the high level policy

[0:14:36] Trustee Rogers: for what we're going to look at.

[0:14:39] Trustee Rogers: If you see gotten an email from me recently

[0:14:41] Trustee Rogers: that talks about Islands 2050, that's what that is.

[0:14:45] Trustee Rogers: It's the renew of a policy statement

[0:14:48] Trustee Rogers: that has not been renewed in detail since 1994.

[0:14:56] Trustee Rogers: There is a fairly extensive debate

[0:15:01] Trustee Rogers: within the Trust Council as to what the scope

[0:15:03] Trustee Rogers: of the work the Trust should be doing is.

[0:15:06] Trustee Rogers: And I've been a part of the working groups

[0:15:10] Trustee Rogers: that are working on those issues around climate change,

[0:15:13] Trustee Rogers: affordable housing, and of course,

[0:15:15] Trustee Rogers: there's lots of work going on regarding reconciliation.

[0:15:18] Trustee Rogers: That's in addition to the regular work

[0:15:20] Trustee Rogers: of the Trust Programs Committee.

[0:15:24] Trustee Rogers: So there's been a lot of dialogue.

[0:15:27] Trustee Rogers: dialogue. And lastly, just the one thing I wanted to flag was I sort of reached out to the Keats

[0:15:39] Trustee Rogers: community and asked them if they were interested in sort of restarting a conservancy group.

[0:15:48] Trustee Rogers: And I'm very gratified to say that we now, I think we have now 11 or 12 people that have put

[0:15:55] Trustee Rogers: their hands up and said they're prepared to work on that. There was an initial meeting

[0:15:59] Trustee Rogers: that I monitored and offered, you know, organizational support to about a week and

[0:16:07] Trustee Rogers: a half ago and kudos to Marcel Biddle who's an attendee here today that he sort of picked up the

[0:16:16] Trustee Rogers: organizational leadership of that, one of our residents of Eastbourne.

[0:16:21] Trustee Rogers: I'm I it's one of the things that on Keats I felt was was a real lacking I I tried to start one

[0:16:28] Trustee Rogers: before I became a trustee and we had some initial success uh and it it uh we were getting some

[0:16:36] Trustee Rogers: traction and then of course I left to become a become a trustee and um I can't formally be a

[0:16:44] Trustee Rogers: member of that group because we might put me in a conflict in any case there's lots of of

[0:16:52] Trustee Rogers: conservancy issues on keats as there are everywhere and lots of models of different kinds of

[0:16:58] Trustee Rogers: conservancy groups and conservation groups on various islands across across the trust area

[0:17:03] Trustee Rogers: that we can use to look at for the type of work that can be done there are many special places

[0:17:09] Trustee Rogers: on Keats Island and so I'm quite gratified to see that so many people across the island have said

[0:17:16] Trustee Rogers: yes they're interested in doing that work and I look forward to supporting that group going

[0:17:22] Trustee Rogers: forward and linking them in with the Howe Sound Biosphere region, the conservation group, the

[0:17:30] Trustee Rogers: Conservancy on Gambier and perhaps on Bowen and other places that where there are more established

[0:17:37] Trustee Rogers: in mature organizations that have made a difference

[0:17:41] Trustee Rogers: on our islands.

[0:17:42] Trustee Rogers: Most of the difference making that happens on our islands

[0:17:45] Trustee Rogers: and what you see comes from,

[0:17:47] Trustee Rogers: not from top down groups like ourselves,

[0:17:49] Trustee Rogers: although we can make a difference,

[0:17:50] Trustee Rogers: but rather from community efforts

[0:17:52] Trustee Rogers: that come up with ideas and decide

[0:17:58] Trustee Rogers: and become passionate about issues on an island.

[0:18:00] Trustee Rogers: So I'm quite pleased and thank those people

[0:18:03] Trustee Rogers: that are involved in that um uh in that in that new uh new organization so that's my update for

[0:18:11] Trustee Rogers: february the 4th so thanks very much great

[0:18:16] Trustee Fast: thank you very much rogers and uh i'm just

[0:18:20] Trustee Fast: hoping that my my internet is really good my end so i'm not sure what's going on but

[0:18:25] Trustee Fast: figure it out as we go i just wanted to give a few bits and pieces to give the bigger context

[0:18:32] Trustee Fast: text um trust council was in december first and second uh we have the time here and the next one's

[0:18:40] Trustee Fast: coming up march 9th and 10th so we're kind of midway at that previous council um the information

[0:18:47] Trustee Fast: section of this agenda i put the highlights uh down there at has

[0:18:58] Trustee Stamford: she gone yeah you've

[0:18:59] Trustee Rogers: completely disappeared now sue allen um i'm going to suggest that uh trustee stanford that we

[0:19:09] Trustee Rogers: perhaps sort of step stand down for a moment and let her let uh chair fast reconnect okay i mean it

[0:19:17] Trustee Rogers: if she doesn't reconnect we can move on to um director hiltz but uh i'm guessing she looks

[0:19:24] Trustee Rogers: like she's gone completely from there she's back

[0:19:27] Trustee Stamford: as we say this is like having a seance

[0:19:32] Trustee Stamford: can you hear us well

[0:19:35] Trustee Rogers: it's interesting that it's on bowen the most established with presumably the

[0:19:39] Trustee Rogers: the best connection that we're having difficulty um i

[0:19:42] Trustee Stamford: think it's one of those keats islanders has

[0:19:44] Trustee Stamford: dug up the fiber optic on their property well there she is i

[0:19:58] Trustee Rogers: see her camera i don't see her

[0:20:00] Trustee Rogers: microphone yet is

[0:20:16] Voice 18: she there um

[0:20:19] Trustee Rogers: there's some evidence there's some evidence of her

[0:20:24] Trustee Fast: hello oh hello you're there can you hear me barely

[0:20:28] Trustee Rogers: you're still breaking up very good

[0:20:30] Trustee Fast: I'm not sure. No

[0:20:37] Trustee Rogers: Sue Ellen you're breaking up.

[0:20:39] Trustee Stamford: I can't understand you. Shall we move to

[0:20:45] Trustee Stamford: Director Hiltz and and if you'd like to speak director and then we can work with Chair Fast

[0:20:54] Trustee Stamford: later on. Hopefully she can get it sorted out. So do you want to go ahead?

[0:20:59] Trustee Stamford: head?

[0:21:00] Voice 2: Sure, thank you. Nice to meet you. Thanks Chair Fast and Trustee Stamper, thank you.

[0:21:09] Voice 2: Yeah, nice to be here again in the virtual space. It's a real opportunity. So I'll just report on

[0:21:15] Voice 2: three things. There's the RCMP vehicle on Gambier, New Brighton, and then a little bit about the

[0:21:22] Voice 2: the SCRD Financial Plan 2021-2025.

[0:21:27] Voice 2: So with respect to the RCMP vehicle,

[0:21:30] Voice 2: there is still continued interest

[0:21:32] Voice 2: from the Sunshine Coast RCMP detachment

[0:21:35] Voice 2: to station a vehicle on Gambier.

[0:21:37] Voice 2: And as you may know, the project is originally scoped,

[0:21:43] Voice 2: cannot deliver the location for the vehicle.

[0:21:48] Voice 2: The intent was to be in the BC Hydro compound,

[0:21:50] Voice 2: but that they're severely space constrained

[0:21:54] Voice 2: and it's a key BC Hydro needs that compound

[0:21:59] Voice 2: to provide the service for the hydro on Gambier.

[0:22:03] Voice 2: And I don't think they wanted that compromised at all.

[0:22:06] Voice 2: So at this stage, they're gonna have to look

[0:22:09] Voice 2: for another funding source to kind of figure that out.

[0:22:13] Voice 2: And the main reason was to provide

[0:22:15] Voice 2: a kind of a higher level service to Gambier

[0:22:17] Voice 2: and Howe Sound in general.

[0:22:20] Voice 2: So that's sort of the concept. So that's still in the future. And just a matter of note that the

[0:22:26] Voice 2: detachment commander Sergeant Hallam is on leave and Sergeant Newman is the acting detachment

[0:22:33] Voice 2: commander. It's a small change for a period of time. Next item, the Gambier, the New Brighton

[0:22:40] Voice 2: dock issue. At the January 21 SCRD committee, there is a report from staff about options

[0:22:48] Voice 2: of uh on the gambier about new brighton and uh the board adopted the recommendations presented

[0:22:55] Voice 2: by staff and i'll just read it essentially it's it's to seek an agreement with the squamish nation

[0:23:01] Voice 2: that in principle to work together towards a which can include a divestiture to a new owner

[0:23:08] Voice 2: um it's a it's about a five six page report really good report uh summarizes many things

[0:23:16] Voice 2: puts it all into one place um and i think the the couple key pieces are it's about managing

[0:23:23] Voice 2: the public expectation that um as the fcrd engages in this process it doesn't mean that there's a

[0:23:29] Voice 2: foregone conclusion of what that conclusion will look like so it's about keeping an open mind

[0:23:33] Voice 2: of how to provide this service for for the community and and the other part is the uh

[0:23:38] Voice 2: the unknowns about the the facility um and one part in the report caught my line it's

[0:23:45] Voice 2: It's what's below the mud line where you have all these pilings going into the ground and you can see what's above.

[0:23:52] Voice 2: Often the deterioration happens from inside the pilings.

[0:23:55] Voice 2: And when it's below the mud line, no one really knows.

[0:23:58] Voice 2: And there's incomplete, if absent, documentation on this on the structure.

[0:24:03] Voice 2: So at this time, there's still a placeholder for the second round.

[0:24:06] Voice 2: down. SCRD staff are engaging with the Squamish nation to come up with a proposal for budget

[0:24:14] Voice 2: which is coming later in March. At this time staff haven't got any indication of timelines

[0:24:20] Voice 2: from the Squamish nation. So that's the staff to staff. It's a good report. It's the January

[0:24:26] Voice 2: 21st planning and community development by Ian Hall. Well worth having a look at because

[0:24:32] Voice 2: is it essentially comes up where the SCRD is on the topic.

[0:24:38] Voice 2: And generally, I would say that the participants

[0:24:41] Voice 2: in the port service, which is the B, D, E and F,

[0:24:46] Voice 2: Hathem Bay, Roberts Creek, Elphinstone and West Towson

[0:24:48] Voice 2: are all supportive of the SCRD taking a role.

[0:24:54] Voice 2: The context of that is back in 2011,

[0:24:57] Voice 2: the board said, we don't wanna talk about this for 10 years.

[0:25:00] Voice 2: As one director said,

[0:25:01] Voice 2: said we wanted to put a stake in its heart for 10 years so that's kind of and now it's about pulling

[0:25:06] Voice 2: the stake out and seeing what that might look like into the future uh so that's the new brighton uh

[0:25:12] Voice 2: the financial plan uh tomorrow is the last day of the round what's called round one uh that's

[0:25:20] Voice 2: the already process budget process is a preliminary round around one and then around true which

[0:25:26] Voice 2: follows final adoption. So tomorrow is the last round of last day of round one and this is where

[0:25:38] Voice 2: I take the deep breath. At this point if all the proposals are in for the whole regional district

[0:25:47] Voice 2: it amounts to about a two million dollar increase which is about an 18 percent increase. That's

[0:25:54] Voice 2: where I take the deep breath. How this relates to the individual parcels are a high range of

[0:26:00] Voice 2: variety uh there is no average in the regional district right because there's each service has

[0:26:05] Voice 2: its own taxation rate so it's a really abstract idea of what averages but um and there's in terms

[0:26:15] Voice 2: of gambier island one of the things that i was just kind of the average on gambier island it's

[0:26:23] Voice 2: It's looking like about a 16% increase

[0:26:27] Voice 2: and Keats around eight, something like that.

[0:26:30] Voice 2: All subject to change,

[0:26:32] Voice 2: but we're going to be less than 18 and more than 14,

[0:26:36] Voice 2: somewhere in there.

[0:26:36] Voice 2: And it depends on your user fees

[0:26:39] Voice 2: and the change in assessment values.

[0:26:41] Voice 2: Gambier Island went up proportionally more

[0:26:43] Voice 2: than everywhere else in the regional district.

[0:26:44] Voice 2: So you're proportionally going to pay a little bit more.

[0:26:46] Voice 2: Keats went up a little bit.

[0:26:48] Voice 2: West Howe Sound went up some.

[0:26:49] Voice 2: so uh that's kind of what do we know what else so the the round two will come in march fourth

[0:26:58] Voice 2: and fifth and final adoption march 25th uh and compared to last year where we were making changes

[0:27:07] Voice 2: on the last day because of the covid and staff came back with all kinds of recommendations to

[0:27:13] Voice 2: reduce the taxation for 2020. So I think I'll leave it there. That's kind of the FCRD in a

[0:27:22] Voice 2: nutshell for the last few months. And I'm just, I'm going to say, I'm going to be stepping out

[0:27:30] Voice 2: from the meeting, but I'm going to try to keep coming back in and I'm looking at coming back

[0:27:34] Voice 2: in new business because there's some topics of interest there. And if that's all right,

[0:27:39] Voice 2: I'm not sure I'll kind of watch on on YouTube I think and then drop in I think I can do that

[0:27:46] Voice 2: so that's that's what I'm thinking for today super

[0:27:49] Trustee Stamford: chair fast is it okay if I ask a couple

[0:27:52] Trustee Stamford: of questions of clarification please go ahead thank you I'm just wondering that because

[0:28:02] Trustee Stamford: the islands trust has put out an engagement process to the islands we've sent it out on

[0:28:07] Trustee Stamford: an email community list.

[0:28:11] Trustee Stamford: Do you see a similar engagement for the SCRD to the islands?

[0:28:16] Trustee Stamford: Is there anything that I can help accommodate on that?

[0:28:19] Trustee Stamford: Because I know that this kind of jump will be a shock.

[0:28:24] Trustee Stamford: I'm just wondering if there's some basic outline

[0:28:28] Trustee Stamford: of rationale of proposal that we can send out

[0:28:32] Trustee Stamford: to the community.

[0:28:35] Voice 2: uh thank you thank you um well what i can say is that uh this year we have a communications

[0:28:39] Voice 2: manager a newly hired person who's been there for a couple months now aiden buckley is his name

[0:28:46] Voice 2: so the new phrase for the regional district is informed rage so there's going to be much more

[0:28:54] Voice 2: proactive reaching out in terms of what the budget process is looking like what this will mean to

[0:28:59] Voice 2: individual people so at this point it's it's more with staff at this point in the communications

[0:29:06] Voice 2: um and and for me the the key document to understanding the regional district is this

[0:29:14] Voice 2: 2021 2025 it's called the budget book it essentially has every service in there and

[0:29:21] Voice 2: what each participant puts into the pot um so um public participation it's in staff hands at

[0:29:28] Voice 2: At this point, there isn't any real strong documentation

[0:29:34] Voice 2: that's coming out at this point,

[0:29:36] Voice 2: but it's gonna be continuous

[0:29:38] Voice 2: because last year at this time,

[0:29:41] Voice 2: I was inundated by questions from Islanders

[0:29:46] Voice 2: about the budget, which was a really great opportunity

[0:29:49] Voice 2: to meet with a whole bunch of people

[0:29:51] Voice 2: who ordinarily wouldn't reach out.

[0:29:52] Voice 2: So I'd say stay tuned

[0:29:56] Voice 2: and I will pass it on to, I think.

[0:30:00] Voice 2: staff know that the islands trust mailing list is an opportunity um the engagement process i'm not

[0:30:06] Voice 2: sure how much staff know what islands trust are doing i i'm at the staff level of in terms of

[0:30:13] Voice 2: engaging the community and

[0:30:15] Trustee Stamford: that's um and that's fine i just wondered if there was a short statement

[0:30:21] Trustee Stamford: that we could send out but um if you could um just remind staff that we are available to

[0:30:27] Trustee Stamford: to sense you know basic information piece out like I noticed initially that there's a big jump in the

[0:30:34] Trustee Stamford: solid waste budget for the islands and and an explanation as to why that is could really help

[0:30:41] Trustee Stamford: to offset some concerns and I have a second question it's just about the the RCMP vehicle

[0:30:49] Trustee Stamford: my understanding was they were looking at a an alternate spot in the community center so was it

[0:30:55] Trustee Stamford: going to be outside the hydro building but their problem is where the spot was is it's in a riparian

[0:31:03] Trustee Stamford: area so they were looking for some kind of funding to do the basic um rpf um report um and i think

[0:31:15] Trustee Stamford: there was some initiative to look for a small grant from the serd in order to get that um report

[0:31:22] Trustee Stamford: done have you heard anything like that or should I speak to the community center about it further

[0:31:26] Trustee Stamford: uh

[0:31:28] Voice 2: at this point nothing has come to the board the grant and aid the now it's going to be called

[0:31:34] Voice 2: the electoral area grant and aid process uh will start to be advertised quite soon um

[0:31:43] Voice 18: okay good

[0:31:44] Voice 2: yeah so that's still still coming out um so

[0:31:49] Trustee Stamford: they just yeah they're looking for an environmental

[0:31:52] Trustee Stamford: and once that is, once they've got that,

[0:31:56] Trustee Stamford: then they probably have a parking spot for it.

[0:31:58] Trustee Stamford: So, but yeah, that's, I'll follow up with them.

[0:32:03] Trustee Stamford: Thank you.

[0:32:04] Trustee Rogers: Chair, is it okay if I make a comment?

[0:32:08] Trustee Fast: Yeah, please go ahead.

[0:32:09] Trustee Fast: And then I've got a question for Mark as well.

[0:32:11] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, thanks, Mark.

[0:32:12] Trustee Rogers: Thanks for the presentation, Mark.

[0:32:14] Trustee Rogers: What I've always found about the SCRD is the information

[0:32:17] Trustee Rogers: that's provided by the SCRD is excellent.

[0:32:22] Trustee Rogers: Some of the best budget documents I've ever seen

[0:32:25] Trustee Rogers: and explanations of the budget is excellent,

[0:32:27] Trustee Rogers: is from the SCRD.

[0:32:30] Trustee Rogers: What I think I want to say though,

[0:32:32] Trustee Rogers: is that the process of getting community input

[0:32:38] Trustee Rogers: regarding budget decision and priorities

[0:32:42] Trustee Rogers: often seems a bit opaque and hard to go in.

[0:32:47] Trustee Rogers: I'm looking, for example, I'm looking at the budget 2021, and the reports are excellent, but there isn't a survey, there's not a share your thoughts document, but it's not a particularly elucidating share your thoughts document.

[0:33:07] Trustee Rogers: So anyway, I just want to say, I think you guys have a really good story to tell, and you tell it really well, but actually getting out to the community and saying, here's what we want your input on that.

[0:33:20] Trustee Rogers: There's lots of good examples, and I would commend the Islands Trust budget survey document, because we do a full-on survey of everybody explaining it.

[0:33:30] Trustee Rogers: And I'm happy to share it with you if you're interested as to the kind of community reach it.

[0:33:35] Trustee Rogers: And I'll just repeat what I have repeated a number of times, including to Aiden and what Trustee Stanford said.

[0:33:41] Trustee Rogers: We're happy to share that with Islanders. And I have well over 250 email contacts.

[0:33:48] Trustee Rogers: And I know Trustee Stanford has similar numbers.

[0:33:52] Trustee Rogers: So anyway, to the extent you want to get your story out, please use us.

[0:33:57] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Mark.

[0:33:58] Trustee Fast: Yeah,

[0:34:00] Voice 2: I think around the table, the idea of the story and the theme that decisions are made and

[0:34:09] Voice 2: we're told at the end. And what I think is it's a year-round process. So the staff developed these

[0:34:19] Voice 2: proposals over the years, so it's the continuous engagement of what I'm going to call participants

[0:34:24] Voice 2: rather than at the end I think is kind of where they're trying to go because many of these

[0:34:33] Voice 2: proposals develop over the year and then they're kind of crammed into this two or three month

[0:34:37] Voice 2: period and by then many things are kind of decided so the reallocation of the of the funding is kind

[0:34:44] Voice 2: of harder to do at that point so it's about like like POMO was an example of how to bring

[0:34:51] Voice 2: the participants of the port facility in with staff to understand how the process would be

[0:34:57] Voice 2: going leading into budget so rather than at the tail end be more of a year-round consultation

[0:35:02] Voice 2: rather than just at the end I think is the kind of direction to be that they want to go visit

[0:35:07] Voice 2: solid waste water communities all of these groups saying you already made the decisions

[0:35:13] Voice 2: so to get people engaged earlier in and continuously I think is kind of the more of

[0:35:18] Voice 2: of the goal rather than the end at this point

[0:35:21] Voice 2: in terms of involvement in the decision-making process.

[0:35:26] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Mark.

[0:35:27] Trustee Fast: And I'd point out that you're doing that partly now

[0:35:29] Trustee Fast: by doing this outreach and connecting with trustees

[0:35:33] Trustee Fast: and Islanders through meetings like this.

[0:35:35] Trustee Fast: I have a question from one of our planners.

[0:35:38] Trustee Fast: Can you give me the date of the staff report you referred

[0:35:41] Trustee Fast: to about the new Brighton dock?

[0:35:43] Trustee Fast: If you have it.

[0:35:44] Voice 2: I sure can.

[0:35:45] Voice 2: I sure can.

[0:35:47] Voice 2: Ken, it's the January 21st Planning and Community Development Report.

[0:35:55] Voice 2: I can

[0:35:55] Voice 2: send

[0:35:57] Trustee Stamford: it to you, Chair, fast, if you want.

[0:35:59] Trustee Stamford: I have it separated out.

[0:36:01] Trustee Fast: Oh, okay.

[0:36:02] Trustee Fast: If you've already got it, then maybe you could send it to Marnie Egan.

[0:36:05] Voice 2: Yeah, it's going to be a key document in understanding.

[0:36:11] Voice 2: And I really thoroughly enjoy Ian Hall's writing.

[0:36:16] Voice 2: is very precise very like compacted deliberate yeah so it's well worth reviewing the summarizers

[0:36:22] Trustee Fast: very good yeah okay thank you very much um trustees and mark uh good discussion and i i just

[0:36:29] Trustee Fast: want to add um the uh islands trust has two surveys open now probably one of you mentioned it and i

[0:36:36] Trustee Fast: missed it but um the first one closes on friday and that's about the policy statement which is

[0:36:42] Trustee Fast: is sort of like the ocp for all of the island ocps uh it's the um we're asking people's input

[0:36:51] Trustee Fast: and so you can find that at the islandstrust.bc.ca website uh february uh fifth that closes on friday

[0:36:59] Trustee Fast: and the budget input closes on sunday and i'm sure the trustees have let you know so i'll just

[0:37:05] Trustee Fast: mention that and um next trust council's march 9th 10th and 11th and because it's all going to

[0:37:10] Trustee Fast: to be electronic anybody can join us uh or watch us so um okay i'm going to go on now to town hall

[0:37:17] Trustee Fast: i can see oh sorry go ahead mark thanks

[0:37:21] Voice 2: sir um so i'm gonna excuse myself and join you on the

[0:37:24] Voice 2: stream and so i think i can use this link and just hop back in as a if that's reasonable very good

[0:37:31] Trustee Fast: we'll be watching for you

[0:37:32] Voice 2: okay thank

[0:37:32] Trustee Fast: you so long thank you for joining us you're

[0:37:35] Voice 2: welcome bye so i'm

[0:37:38] Trustee Fast: going to um uh look at the 10 attendees list there and see if there's anybody who would like to speak

[0:37:45] Trustee Fast: in the uh town hall portion this is the part where you get to uh share your uh ideas and concerns um

[0:37:52] Trustee Fast: and speak uh have your say about uh islands trust type issues to your local trustees and um so this

[0:38:01] Trustee Fast: is just public comments um anybody who wants to can uh raise your hand oops i've got my something

[0:38:08] Trustee Fast: something covering up that part. Raise your hand. And not applicants, they get a chance to speak

[0:38:14] Trustee Fast: during their part of the agenda. But if you could raise your hand, we will try and get you over into

[0:38:21] Trustee Fast: the panelist part and so that you can speak over the computer. So anybody who wishes to,

[0:38:30] Trustee Fast: please raise your hand. If you're on a phone, it doesn't look like anybody's on a phone. But if you

[0:38:35] Trustee Fast: are it's a star nine to raise your hand i'm not seeing any hands okay will are you getting any

[0:38:49] Trustee Fast: does anybody have any indication just know of anybody that was going to speak today

[0:38:54] Trustee Fast: uh

[0:38:55] Voice 4: no i haven't heard from anyone okay so just a reminder

[0:38:59] Voice 4: for everyone if they drag their finger

[0:39:01] Voice 4: down to the bottom of the screen if they're on an ipad or pull your cursor down to the bottom

[0:39:06] Voice 4: of the screen that's what'll bring up your digital hand if you want to speak it

[0:39:11] Trustee Fast: looks like a little

[0:39:12] Trustee Fast: hand it says raise hand uh seven attendees okay um some

[0:39:18] Trustee Rogers: of them are going to speak in the public

[0:39:19] Trustee Rogers: hearing fair fast yes

[0:39:21] Trustee Fast: i i agree and um or to an application so i'll just um close the town

[0:39:27] Trustee Fast: town hall then thank you and um we'll just move on to uh minutes and that kind of thing so we're

[0:39:35] Trustee Fast: on page four of the agenda. Find my way back. Page four of the agenda. Anybody got a problem

[0:39:49] Trustee Fast: with the minutes from November 19? No? Okay. So can I take it by general consent then that we

[0:39:56] Trustee Fast: adopt those minutes? I'm seeing some nodding. Okay, that's great. Thank you. The minutes are

[0:40:02] Trustee Fast: are adopted uh board of variance hearing minutes dated november 12th 2020 and uh anybody got

[0:40:10] Trustee Fast: anything they wish to say about those yes kate louise i'm

[0:40:14] Trustee Stamford: really briefly it was uh interesting

[0:40:16] Trustee Stamford: to to look at these minutes as it's set up quite differently to how our meetings run and um you

[0:40:23] Trustee Stamford: know bringing up issues that we didn't consider at least i didn't even think about noise issues

[0:40:29] Trustee Stamford: around the motor and things like that.

[0:40:31] Trustee Stamford: So I appreciated seeing these minutes

[0:40:33] Trustee Stamford: and also how the direction seemed to turn halfway through

[0:40:38] Trustee Stamford: to acknowledging some of the issues that we had brought up.

[0:40:43] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[0:40:44] Trustee Fast: I've temporarily lost my agenda here, the big agenda.

[0:40:47] Trustee Fast: Okay, but I'm coming back to it.

[0:40:50] Trustee Fast: And thank you.

[0:40:52] Trustee Fast: Did you have any comments, Trustee Rogers?

[0:40:54] Trustee Fast: only

[0:40:56] Trustee Rogers: that that i wanted to thank the board of variants we don't see a lot of these it's my

[0:41:02] Trustee Rogers: first one i've seen in six my six years as a trustee um the uh is an interesting approach

[0:41:10] Trustee Rogers: to uh and it is quite a different process of course we're quite focused on land use

[0:41:18] Trustee Rogers: and the bylaws and variances and issues of that nature though the investigation was quite a bit

[0:41:25] Trustee Rogers: it wider as as trustee stamford said and i understand it was quite a long meeting so um

[0:41:30] Trustee Rogers: i hope everybody felt well heard including the people the community members who came forward as

[0:41:35] Voice 1: they did at our

[0:41:36] Trustee Rogers: local trust committee to talk to this so it's interesting to read i didn't go back

[0:41:46] Trustee Rogers: i know it's on zoom i believe or it's on our website the actual uh recording

[0:41:51] Voice 9: so

[0:41:52] Trustee Rogers: um interesting

[0:41:53] Trustee Rogers: thank the people who the volunteer the board of board of variance is a volunteer organization

[0:41:58] Trustee Rogers: and I think the board of variance I'm not if I'm not mistaken is one board for all of the

[0:42:05] Trustee Rogers: northern trust islands if I'm not mistaken I think that's correct because it's so it's it's it's not

[0:42:12] Trustee Rogers: used very often rarely

[0:42:14] Trustee Fast: so

[0:42:15] Trustee Rogers: thank them for their work thank

[0:42:18] Trustee Fast: you um okay very good and we'll move

[0:42:22] Trustee Fast: on then uh we didn't have resolutions without minutes no apc minutes so follow-up action list

[0:42:29] Trustee Fast: starting on page 20 for those falling following along questions for the regional planning manager

[0:42:34] Trustee Fast: or the planners sorry who's got a question no questions no okay then we're going to move on

[0:42:53] Trustee Fast: if we don't have questions uh we've got the couple of letters that um were sent uh under my signature

[0:42:59] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Dan, for drafting those and writing them up, and just to welcome our newly elected MLA and Minister, Simon, in their newly elected roles.

[0:43:18] Trustee Fast: Okay, so those are there just mostly for information.

[0:43:22] Trustee Fast: And here we are at 11.13, and we're due to start the community information meeting at 11.30.

[0:43:28] Trustee Fast: so we're ahead of time um so i'm wondering if uh but we can't start until 11 30 in case people are

[0:43:35] Trustee Fast: coming to join us just for that so i'm wondering if um what would trustees like to take from the

[0:43:42] Trustee Fast: other parts of the agenda or do you want to take a break or something like that no i

[0:43:48] Trustee Stamford: i would like

[0:43:49] Trustee Stamford: to move on um i i know some people were interested in our new business so i'm not sure if we should

[0:43:59] Trustee Stamford: jump back into there um do we have time to to go through the um um I

[0:44:07] Trustee Fast: don't think so I think

[0:44:09] Trustee Fast: maybe we want to um maybe we want to go into one of those new business items okay because some of

[0:44:17] Trustee Rogers: this stuff or

[0:44:17] Trustee Fast: you can't hear you Dan I

[0:44:19] Trustee Rogers: was going to suggest that the only thing we can really move

[0:44:21] Trustee Rogers: on to is um uh 14 um 14 and 15 and 16 if you wanted

[0:44:29] Trustee Rogers: to utilize this time and then we could

[0:44:31] Trustee Rogers: come back because but i think all of the applications and projects will require more

[0:44:37] Trustee Rogers: than the 16 minutes yeah or could require more than the 16 yeah

[0:44:42] Trustee Fast: no i agree um

[0:44:46] Trustee Fast: kate we since you chair the islands trust conservancy would you like to give us a report

[0:44:50] Trustee Fast: on 14.1 or introduce that report um

[0:44:54] Trustee Stamford: so the report is presented to you they always lag a little bit

[0:44:58] Trustee Stamford: behind in in um information as as local trust committees timelines are different from

[0:45:06] Trustee Stamford: the islands trust conservancy so if you have specific questions arising from that report

[0:45:11] Trustee Stamford: um i'm happy to answer them but we have been moving far quite far ahead a lot of activity around um

[0:45:20] Trustee Stamford: uh new options for natural area protection tax exemption um projects uh specifically on salt

[0:45:31] Trustee Stamford: spring we always have to that we have to be somewhat careful as half our meetings are in

[0:45:36] Trustee Stamford: camera so sometimes those projects slide between in camera and and public so i'm staying fairly

[0:45:44] Trustee Stamford: general in this um we did we have been really happy with the level of response that was received

[0:45:52] Trustee Stamford: with the announcement of sandy beach the 30th uh covenant for the 30th year of the islands trust

[0:45:59] Trustee Stamford: conservancy and we're building on that um we have two very strong communications um staff members

[0:46:08] Trustee Stamford: that are working part-time and it really shows.

[0:46:13] Trustee Stamford: I think we're getting a lot more sophisticated

[0:46:17] Trustee Stamford: in how we're accessing social media

[0:46:20] Trustee Stamford: and making those connections with print media

[0:46:25] Trustee Stamford: in order to get our message out.

[0:46:27] Trustee Stamford: So it was really gratifying to see the type of response

[0:46:30] Trustee Stamford: we got for Sandy Beach and hope that that is continuing.

[0:46:34] Trustee Stamford: The other big project that we're working on

[0:46:37] Trustee Stamford: is really coalescing around the Species at Risk protection initiative

[0:46:45] Trustee Stamford: that we received money for from the federal government.

[0:46:49] Trustee Stamford: We're still in the process of classifying the coordinator position

[0:46:52] Trustee Stamford: with the provincial ministry.

[0:46:57] Trustee Stamford: So we haven't been able to fill that position yet,

[0:46:59] Trustee Stamford: but we are working on a job description

[0:47:01] Trustee Stamford: and we're looking forward to getting the coordinator

[0:47:04] Trustee Stamford: and a support person in place for the summer months

[0:47:08] Trustee Stamford: to get some projects running using that fund.

[0:47:13] Trustee Stamford: And those funds have also been very useful

[0:47:15] Trustee Stamford: in supporting covenant holders

[0:47:19] Trustee Stamford: that are looking for background financing

[0:47:24] Trustee Stamford: for some of the work that needs to be done

[0:47:28] Trustee Stamford: in order to get conservation covenants on their lands.

[0:47:32] Trustee Stamford: so we can't purchase land outright with that money but we can do supporting funding in order

[0:47:39] Trustee Stamford: to get the right surveys done and things like that so very busy i think our meetings are just

[0:47:45] Trustee Stamford: chock-a-block full um but it's all in a good direction so um it has been really exciting

[0:47:52] Trustee Stamford: over the last few months to to be part of this so thank you and any questions that you have

[0:47:57] Trustee Stamford: Yeah, sure, Steve Rogers.

[0:48:00] Trustee Rogers: Go ahead.

[0:48:01] Trustee Stamford: I have

[0:48:01] Trustee Rogers: a couple, I mean, I may know some of the answers to this, but I'd like you to speak to a couple of things.

[0:48:06] Trustee Rogers: Because first of all, in relation to Sandy Beach, one of the questions I received from a number of people is because of the way the media release was framed.

[0:48:22] Trustee Rogers: And I must commend the Conservancy on that release.

[0:48:27] Trustee Rogers: least i did so at the executive committee yesterday i think that's why i got so much pickup

[0:48:31] Trustee Rogers: um because of the excellent communications is but one of the questions i've had from people on keats

[0:48:36] Trustee Rogers: is what what might be the um uh outreach to the community look like involving the squamish nation

[0:48:44] Trustee Rogers: and i and i you probably don't know the answer to that yet but i wanted to just say

[0:48:49] Trustee Rogers: to encourage the Conservancy to make keep that on the agenda you'll recall the motion we passed

[0:48:58] Trustee Rogers: last last meeting related to the senior intergovernmental policy advisor to engage

[0:49:04] Trustee Rogers: her in relation to this so I want to just encourage you to to I don't want to use the

[0:49:10] Trustee Rogers: word leverage but but use this opportunity for people to understand the the history of

[0:49:16] Trustee Rogers: of the important history of the Coast Salish peoples

[0:49:25] Trustee Rogers: in this area and particularly on Lektai.

[0:49:27] Trustee Rogers: So, and I hope that

[0:49:29] Trustee Rogers: is something on your agenda.

[0:49:32] Trustee Rogers: So yes, you know

[0:49:33] Trustee Stamford: how to get it.

[0:49:33] Trustee Stamford: It definitely, because we now have a formula

[0:49:36] Trustee Stamford: that allows us to put in place management plans.

[0:49:41] Trustee Stamford: Part of that is how we work with the First Nations

[0:49:45] Trustee Stamford: And it's sort of our first project was with Lady Slipper Forest on Thetis, where we really were far more heavily engaged with long-term, complex relationship building with the local First Nations.

[0:50:01] Trustee Stamford: So we see Sandy Beach as a next step in that, and that it will actually formalize how we go forward with new management plans for this type of preservation.

[0:50:14] Trustee Stamford: I think one of the things that I also want to say to people on Keats Island is that I also recognize, and I think we all recognize, that this is a delicate area and that there is a fine line between promoting it and also not promoting the recreational aspect.

[0:50:36] Trustee Stamford: So we don't want people to think that this is a place that's easy to dock at, easy to drop anchor. So there's that aspect as well as recognizing that it is that delicate that we don't want to see this as, we don't want to ever promote it as a recreational destination. So that's sort of the other side of how this is being approached.

[0:50:59] Trustee Stamford: and

[0:51:00] Trustee Rogers: the and the third side of that is is that islanders will want to know however

[0:51:05] Trustee Rogers: uh you know what the protection and it being put into a nature reserve means to the islanders in

[0:51:11] Trustee Rogers: terms of access to the beach and i agree with you it's not a destination but it's all in the sense

[0:51:18] Trustee Rogers: of people coming off from off island to come and be there however it is a place that people do go

[0:51:25] Trustee Rogers: so particularly to the beach.

[0:51:27] Trustee Stamford: Yeah, and I hope that that was conveyed

[0:51:30] Trustee Stamford: in the information that was presented

[0:51:33] Trustee Stamford: to external sources that was picked up.

[0:51:37] Trustee Stamford: And any opportunity that we have

[0:51:40] Trustee Stamford: with our ecological preservation

[0:51:44] Trustee Stamford: that also picks up cultural preservation,

[0:51:49] Trustee Stamford: specifically around First Nations,

[0:51:51] Trustee Stamford: is is just a huge opportunity to then build on that um not only through the conservancy but

[0:51:59] Trustee Stamford: through the local trust and through the community as a whole so this really is a good jumping off

[0:52:04] Trustee Stamford: point okay

[0:52:05] Trustee Rogers: so i have a second question for you um just because i get a chance to pick your brain

[0:52:10] Trustee Rogers: today um the conservancy's brain could you talk a little bit about how the islands trust conservancy

[0:52:18] Trustee Rogers: can support local island conservation groups.

[0:52:23] Trustee Rogers: And I know that that happens in a variety of different ways,

[0:52:27] Trustee Rogers: but maybe you could sort of talk generally

[0:52:29] Trustee Rogers: about what the Conservancy can do in that regard.

[0:52:32] Trustee Stamford: So one of the biggest ways is leveraging the idea

[0:52:38] Trustee Stamford: that we have staff that support the structure of Conservancy.

[0:52:44] Trustee Stamford: So for instance, if, you know, if an organization, a local island organization has a particular project of a certain size, and it's too big for the volunteers to take on in terms of getting fundraising organized, getting information out to local community members,

[0:53:09] Trustee Stamford: then this is an umbrella structure that can provide basic support in that direction.

[0:53:17] Trustee Stamford: And we do take on a certain number of fundraising opportunities per year.

[0:53:22] Trustee Stamford: So that's the other half of what our staff do, our communication staff do.

[0:53:27] Trustee Stamford: So that's one aspect of it.

[0:53:29] Trustee Stamford: But it's joining information that we get that because we have the staff support, that information from even wider organizations such as the Nature Conservancy of Canada or British Columbia or even across the border, we bring all that information together and act as a resource.

[0:53:52] Trustee Stamford: So we're a coordinating body, but it is a real challenge in terms of fundraising because we have an opportunity fund that we would love to augment. That is something that local conservancies have accessed is those smaller costs that they have.

[0:54:10] Trustee Stamford: they have a special piece of property, they need the surveying done or some basic

[0:54:16] Trustee Stamford: work done that's hard to raise money for, that's what our opportunity fund is for.

[0:54:21] Trustee Stamford: And right now it's quite depleted because we've had really, really promising requests from

[0:54:30] Trustee Stamford: conservancies on Bowen, on Galliano, all over the place. So it's been so popular

[0:54:38] Trustee Stamford: for the conservancies to access that that it's quite depleted but that theoretically would be

[0:54:44] Trustee Stamford: an opportunity that uh keats island conservancy could access so those are the kinds of ways we

[0:54:51] Trustee Stamford: could do it

[0:54:51] Trustee Rogers: thank you thanks

[0:54:54] Trustee Fast: and i'll just add that i'm also on the board of the islands trust

[0:54:58] Trustee Fast: conservancy and it's such a uh a pleasure such a great board such a great chair and um i've used

[0:55:05] Trustee Fast: I used to be the chair

[0:55:05] Trustee Fast: of the Bowen Island Conservancy and they and I've been talking to

[0:55:12] Trustee Fast: they well they've invited me down to their new park they actually purchased three big lots at

[0:55:19] Trustee Fast: Cape Roger Curtis to become a new park and and they did use one of those opportunity fund

[0:55:27] Trustee Fast: grants from the Islands Trust Conservancy and they're they're going to be able to

[0:55:32] Trustee Fast: work their way along with support of organizations like the Islands Trust Conservancy and

[0:55:37] Trustee Fast: so I just invite any boater to go by there and have a look it's early days and they're just

[0:55:42] Trustee Fast: getting figuring out how they're going to do their management plan and that kind of thing and I know

[0:55:47] Trustee Fast: they've been in touch with Kate Emmings who's the manager of the Islands Trust Conservancy.

[0:55:52] Trustee Fast: so thanks everybody we're at 11 26 and the community information meeting is going to start

[0:56:01] Trustee Fast: at 11 30 found all my pages that had disappeared on me there and maybe we could just do

[0:56:13] Trustee Fast: applications report or well i don't have a page number for that well i

[0:56:18] Trustee Rogers: just realized it's not in

[0:56:20] Trustee Rogers: the package yeah

[0:56:21] Trustee Fast: i just yeah i don't

[0:56:24] Trustee Stamford: remember it nope

[0:56:26] Trustee Fast: me neither

[0:56:27] Trustee Fast: oh well well

[0:56:29] Trustee Rogers: it's not there i just

[0:56:30] Trustee Rogers: went through it

[0:56:31] Trustee Rogers: so and

[0:56:32] Trustee Fast: um you want to look at the expense report page 90 that's looking pretty

[0:56:40] Trustee Fast: healthy yeah i think because we haven't had any meeting expenses it's uh pretty straightforward

[0:56:46] Trustee Fast: forward. Anybody got any questions? No. No. Okay. And then what's next?

[0:56:59] Trustee Rogers: Madam Chair, before we start

[0:57:02] Trustee Rogers: the public hearing, do you think I could ask for like a two-minute comfort break?

[0:57:06] Trustee Fast: Let's take a

[0:57:07] Trustee Fast: break so that we're all ready to focus. So we'll come back at 1130. Thank you. Courtney?

[1:00:00] Voice 18: Hi.

[1:00:09] Voice 5: Can you hear me all right? Very good.

[1:00:11] Voice 5: Sound check? Okay, thank you. All right.

[1:00:20] Trustee Fast: I think, whoops, now I've gone. How did that happen? Sorry, everybody. I don't usually have

[1:00:28] Trustee Fast: these technical glitches, but having them today. Okay, so we're at 1130. Thank you to everybody

[1:00:36] Trustee Fast: who's with us. I can see we've got eight attendees now, and there may be others watching on the

[1:00:45] Trustee Fast: the live stream so if you do want to speak during the public hearing just a reminder that you need

[1:00:50] Trustee Fast: to log into this zoom meeting and you can find the information at the islands trust website

[1:01:00] Trustee Fast: islands trust islands local trust areas gambier meetings and you'll find the information that you

[1:01:09] Trustee Fast: you need. Thank you. So I'd like to open the community information meeting here and introduce

[1:01:15] Trustee Fast: planner Courtney Simpson. And she's going to give us a presentation. Please go ahead, Courtney.

[1:01:22] Voice 5: Thank you, Chair Fast. Good afternoon, everyone. So this community information meeting is regarding

[1:01:29] Voice 5: an application to amend the zoning bylaw for the property at 255 Esplanade Road, Keats Island.

[1:01:36] Voice 5: And the purpose of this information meeting is for the public to learn about the details of the by-law amendment and to ask questions of the local trust committee, the applicant or planning staff.

[1:01:47] Voice 5: A public hearing follows right after. At the public hearing, that's where you're asked to provide your input, you know, your statements about the application, and this right now is the opportunity for questions.

[1:01:59] Voice 5: Okay, next slide please.

[1:02:02] Voice 5: I've got someone else advancing the slide speaking of technical difficulties.

[1:02:06] Voice 5: Thank you. Here we are. So this map shows the property location on Keats Island on the waterfront on Esplanade Road.

[1:02:16] Voice 5: It also shows the zoning designations of the surrounding areas. The subject property is zoned Comprehensive Development 1.

[1:02:23] Voice 5: It's the only property on Keats Island with that zone designation. Next slide.

[1:02:31] Voice 5: This air photo shows the subject property with the three existing docks.

[1:02:36] Voice 5: Another property owner is South Keats Investments Limited. It's a non-profit land holding company with the purpose of sharing the property's ownership among multiple individuals and families.

[1:02:47] Voice 5: The upland property has nine dwellings and that's the maximum number of dwellings permitted in this zone. Six of the nine dwellings are on the waterfront and the remaining three are inland.

[1:02:57] Voice 5: land there are three docks abutting the property one dock is used exclusively by one waterfront

[1:03:02] Voice 5: home a second dock is shared by two homes and the third dock is a communal dock for shared access

[1:03:07] Voice 5: for all of the dwellings next slide these three docks were built in the 1980s and now a crown

[1:03:20] Voice 5: land tenure from the province is required so in 2016 the property owners were notified by the

[1:03:25] Voice 5: ministry of forest lands and natural resource operation and rural development that a crown

[1:03:29] Voice 5: land tenure under the Land Act was required for the docks. The owners then made application for

[1:03:34] Voice 5: the tenure but their tenure application couldn't proceed without the Islands Trust zoning permitting

[1:03:40] Voice 5: three docks instead of one. The owners then made application to the Islands Trust to amend the CD1

[1:03:46] Voice 5: zone to allow the three existing docks. Next slide. So the by-law amendment that is proposed

[1:03:59] Voice 5: proposed specifically this is specifically what it does it changes the permitted number of docks

[1:04:04] Voice 5: on the property from one to three so that the three existing docks conform to the land use bylaw

[1:04:10] Voice 5: the amendment reduces the maximum combined float area from a maximum of 158 square meters down to

[1:04:18] Voice 5: 120 square meters it reduces the maximum ramp width from 2.4 meters to 1.8 meters

[1:04:26] Voice 5: and also reduces the requirement for a covenant when there is greater than 65 square meters of

[1:04:32] Voice 5: area. So in other words, a full 120 square meters of float area is permitted without

[1:04:41] Voice 5: registering a covenant. Next slide, please. Yes, there's already there. Great. All relevant

[1:04:50] Voice 5: background information pertaining to this application is posted on our applications

[1:04:54] Voice 5: This includes professional reports, planning reports so far on the application, agency and First Nation referral responses, and actually there have been no responses received, and public correspondence.

[1:05:07] Voice 5: These presentation slides as well that you're seeing today are posted to the web in the same place.

[1:05:15] Voice 5: Next slide. Oh, right, I have an arrow there to show you where to go. Very good. Next slide.

[1:05:22] Voice 5: So here we are. Today is the community information and public hearing.

[1:05:29] Voice 5: But leading up to today, the application was received in 2019.

[1:05:33] Voice 5: First reading of the amendment bylaw was given in October of 2020.

[1:05:38] Voice 5: Second reading and direction to refer the proposed bylaw to First Nations and agencies was given in November.

[1:05:45] Voice 5: Here we are at the public hearing today.

[1:05:46] Voice 5: After the public hearing, the local trust committee consider third reading of the bylaw.

[1:05:50] Voice 5: then it will need approval from the Islands Trust Executive Committee and after that approval the

[1:05:54] Voice 5: Local Trust Committee can adopt the bylaw. That should be singular. I see a little error in my

[1:06:00] Voice 5: slide. There's one bylaw, one amendment bylaw. Next slide please. So that's the end of my

[1:06:09] Voice 5: presentation and thank you very much Chair Fast. Back to you to facilitate questions if there are

[1:06:14] Voice 5: any.

[1:06:16] Trustee Fast: Thank you Planner Simpson and I'm going to ask any attendee who wishes to ask a question or

[1:06:23] Trustee Fast: or any trustee to raise their hand.

[1:06:27] Trustee Fast: And while I'm doing that,

[1:06:28] Trustee Fast: I'm just gonna check with Trustee Stamford.

[1:06:30] Trustee Fast: Are you still with us?

[1:06:31] Trustee Fast: Could you do a little roll call there?

[1:06:33] Trustee Stamford: Yes, I am.

[1:06:34] Trustee Stamford: I'm just trying to preserve bandwidth.

[1:06:37] Trustee Fast: Gotcha, thank you very much.

[1:06:39] Trustee Fast: I see one hand up in the attendees, that's Marcel Bitter.

[1:06:43] Trustee Fast: And if that person could be, oh, very good.

[1:06:48] Trustee Fast: I think we can talk to this permit.

[1:06:51] Trustee Fast: Hello, Marcel.

[1:06:52] Trustee Fast: Hi there.

[1:06:53] Voice 11: Please go ahead

[1:06:53] Trustee Fast: with your question for the planner Simpson.

[1:06:56] Voice 11: Thank you. I'm just wondering

[1:06:58] Voice 11: what is the basis of the sizing the 120 meters? Is that just allowing it to grandfather at the

[1:07:07] Voice 11: current size or is it what's that driven by?

[1:07:14] Voice 5: Go ahead. Thank you. Sure so currently there is

[1:07:18] Voice 5: approximately 80 square meters of float area existing on those three docks combined and

[1:07:24] Voice 5: the applicants have indicated that they have some planned expansion that they've had in mind for a

[1:07:30] Voice 5: while and that would be up to 120 square meters. So the local trust committee had indicated earlier

[1:07:37] Voice 5: that they did not want to remain with that full maximum that's been in the land use bylaw for a

[1:07:43] Voice 5: while that maximum of 158 square meters they preferred to see a reduction in the overall

[1:07:49] Voice 5: float area so that 120 square meters was arrived at at a number that allowed the applicants to

[1:07:55] Voice 5: do some planned expansion but was the but was still less than what would currently

[1:08:03] Voice 5: be permitted in the zoning bylaw.

[1:08:05] Voice 11: So was there any consideration in what's going on with the

[1:08:12] Voice 11: shoreline protection effort and this size

[1:08:16] Voice 18: to

[1:08:20] Voice 5: some extent so early on when

[1:08:24] Voice 5: this application was first received the local Trust Committee indicated they

[1:08:28] Voice 5: would like to proceed with this application even though that shoreline

[1:08:32] Voice 5: project was just in its early stages rather than sort of wait for that

[1:08:36] Voice 5: project to complete and know exactly what direction was happening on that

[1:08:40] Voice 5: project and wanted to proceed with this rezoning application so um so there was like discussion

[1:08:48] Voice 5: with the uh the other staff working on that project um but this application also

[1:08:56] Voice 5: proceeded on its own merits to deal with the the requirement that the owners had to make a

[1:09:02] Voice 5: to get a lease from the crown

[1:09:04] Voice 11: okay thank

[1:09:07] Voice 5: you thanks yeah

[1:09:07] Voice 11: thank you very good

[1:09:10] Trustee Fast: Good. Thank you, Marcel. And are there others who have a question? I'm sorry, I didn't mean

[1:09:15] Trustee Fast: to cut you off. Did you were you finished there, Marcel? I guess so. And we've got one phone in

[1:09:24] Trustee Fast: phone call in listener. So I don't know who you are. But you're welcome to raise your hand star

[1:09:31] Trustee Fast: nine is how you raise your hand if you're on a phone, or anybody else is welcome to raise their

[1:09:36] Trustee Fast: hand and ask questions for the planner. Okay, Marcel is back. I'll go to the phone next. And

[1:09:43] Trustee Fast: And then, and Phillips and phone caller, if you,

[1:09:47] Trustee Fast: and then I'll come back to you, Marcel, if you could identify yourself,

[1:09:52] Trustee Fast: give your name and your connection to the Island,

[1:09:54] Trustee Fast: and then go ahead with your question for the planner.

[1:10:00] Voice 4: Just a note,

[1:10:01] Voice 4: Chair Fass,

[1:10:02] Voice 4: that it is star six to unmute if you're on the phone. So call her.

[1:10:07] Voice 4: Very good.

[1:10:07] Voice 4: Star six to unmute.

[1:10:13] Trustee Fast: Call her. I think we might be able to. Very good.

[1:10:15] Voice 14: Can you hear me now?

[1:10:16] Voice 14: yes

[1:10:17] Trustee Fast: if you could confirm who you

[1:10:18] Trustee Fast: are and go

[1:10:20] Voice 14: ahead uh it's harold cropping i'm the secretary

[1:10:22] Voice 14: of our kattelsky investments and i had trouble logging in i apologize so i missed some of the

[1:10:30] Voice 14: early questions perhaps but i am here to answer now if you require any information from us

[1:10:38] Voice 14: okay

[1:10:40] Trustee Fast: thank you as the uh representative of the applicant i believe um right now very good thank

[1:10:47] Trustee Fast: you right now what we're doing is is uh taking questions for the planner as part of the community

[1:10:53] Trustee Fast: information meeting and uh and then later perhaps there'll be a time when people will have questions

[1:10:59] Trustee Fast: for you harold um okay

[1:11:01] Voice 9: and uh please

[1:11:03] Trustee Fast: stay with us and and um and just press star

[1:11:09] Trustee Fast: six and you'll mute yourself thank you and maybe we

[1:11:14] Voice 1: can go to

[1:11:14] Trustee Fast: n thank you uh n phillips can you uh

[1:11:18] Trustee Fast: confirm your uh name and um your connection to the island yeah

[1:11:24] Voice 13: i'm chris phillips uh at

[1:11:26] Voice 13: plumper cove uh one of the part of one of the families there i just wanted to check uh that i

[1:11:32] Voice 13: have the location of this right that it's uh basically part of eastbourne and on the map i'm

[1:11:37] Voice 13: I'm looking at somewhere southwest of the Eastbourne Wharf.

[1:11:44] Trustee Fast: Question for the planner.

[1:11:45] Trustee Fast: I'm seeing nodding from several people,

[1:11:49] Trustee Fast: but go ahead, Planner Simpson.

[1:11:51] Voice 5: Yes, I believe that's correct.

[1:11:53] Voice 5: And if there's a trustee

[1:11:55] Voice 5: who has more intimate local knowledge

[1:11:56] Voice 5: and wants to give any more information,

[1:11:58] Voice 5: you might have a bit more than me.

[1:12:00] Voice 13: Yeah, I got an old map

[1:12:02] Voice 13: from the Shoreline Working Group thing

[1:12:04] Voice 13: and I see a 1CD1 zone on it.

[1:12:06] Voice 13: I'm guessing that's where this is.

[1:12:08] Voice 13: That's it.

[1:12:09] Voice 13: it

[1:12:09] Voice 18: uh it's

[1:12:11] Trustee Rogers: it's it's southwest of the eastbourne dock and just before you round the corner into

[1:12:18] Trustee Rogers: westby yeah okay thank you

[1:12:21] Trustee Fast: thank you all right i'm going to go back to uh marcel bitter marcel

[1:12:27] Trustee Fast: did you have another question please go ahead yeah

[1:12:30] Voice 11: sorry about the ad hoc nature of my questions um

[1:12:33] Voice 11: the other thing i wanted to ask was uh and this is probably more bigger than just this bylaw but

[1:12:40] Voice 11: But for the future expansion, does it contemplate the building materials?

[1:12:44] Voice 11: And what I'm after is, are modern docks no longer going to be that exposed styrofoam style

[1:12:51] Voice 11: that causes quite a bit of problems with the breaking apart and adding styrofoam to the ocean?

[1:12:57] Voice 11: I was just wondering if that's contemplated within this.

[1:13:02] Trustee Fast: Thank you for your question.

[1:13:04] Trustee Fast: And go ahead, Planner.

[1:13:05] Trustee Fast: Well,

[1:13:06] Voice 5: I am not the one working on the shoreline project, but I am wondering if there is someone

[1:13:13] Voice 5: else on the line from the staff who might want to speak to the possibility of a development permit

[1:13:18] Voice 5: area in the future.

[1:13:19] Trustee Fast: I think maybe we'll just go to Trustee Rogers. Go ahead, Trustee Rogers.

[1:13:24] Trustee Rogers: Thanks. So, and thanks, Marcel. I'll just tell you what, first of all, address the

[1:13:34] Trustee Rogers: the the question of the 120 we originally put 100 square meters in um and the applicant came

[1:13:42] Trustee Rogers: to us and said you know here's the floats we want to put in and i think they totaled something like

[1:13:48] Trustee Rogers: 108 and so they wanted to have a little bit of there are two docks that are are in need of some

[1:13:57] Trustee Rogers: refurbishment for sure and my understanding first of all the development the shoreline project

[1:14:06] Trustee Rogers: while we're still way away from that would put a deep would propose to put a dpa in which would

[1:14:14] Trustee Rogers: include some issues around materials and my understanding is that now that the province in

[1:14:19] Trustee Rogers: in any case, if you are seeking a license

[1:14:23] Trustee Rogers: requires certain best practices.

[1:14:26] Trustee Rogers: So while this bylaw doesn't do what you have requested

[1:14:30] Trustee Rogers: or suggested because it's a density bylaw,

[1:14:38] Trustee Rogers: that's certainly on our radar and it's certainly,

[1:14:41] Trustee Rogers: I understand that it's on the province's requirements

[1:14:45] Trustee Rogers: these days too, so.

[1:14:46] Trustee Rogers: Thank

[1:14:47] Trustee Fast: you. And just to note, we'll probably have more discussion about that down in the agenda 11.1, the Keith Shoreline Protection Project is in front of us then.

[1:15:01] Trustee Fast: Any more questions I've got? Oh, go ahead, Planner Simpson.

[1:15:04] Trustee Fast: Yeah,

[1:15:05] Voice 5: I just want to add fits of interest that as part of the rezoning application, we required a biologist report and there was a driver down there and inspected the existing docks and was able to make a determination from that perspective that the existing docks and the expansion that was discussed didn't pose an undue threat to the environment.

[1:15:30] Voice 5: basically said that the way the docs currently were and and the type of expansion they were

[1:15:36] Voice 5: talking about that the biologist wasn't going to like require any specific measures to mitigate

[1:15:42] Voice 5: an impact in that particular that they didn't see a significant impact in that particular area to

[1:15:49] Voice 5: require specific measures and that report is available on the website as well if that's of

[1:15:56] Voice 5: interest we know that's something that the crown is going to require in their tenure as well thank

[1:16:04] Trustee Fast: you planner simpson yeah that was very interesting to see the photographs there of the um kelp um

[1:16:09] Trustee Fast: and other other living things down there i've got another uh question from peter madden peter um if

[1:16:17] Trustee Fast: you could just confirm who you are and uh um your connection to the island and then go ahead i see

[1:16:29] Trustee Fast: see talking permitted you may need to turn your microphone on unmute yourself somehow very good

[1:16:37] Voice 18: go

[1:16:37] Trustee Fast: ahead thank

[1:16:38] Voice 1: you uh i i herald is our representative but i'm one of the uh one of

[1:16:43] Voice 1: the foreshore owners and one of the docks i just wanted to make it clear that all three of the

[1:16:49] Voice 1: current docks are uh have plastic foam filled flotation tanks they're completely encapsulated

[1:16:57] Voice 1: and while i will plan on building a new float along with the company float um certainly they

[1:17:04] Voice 1: also will be the latest in uh flotation tank uh technology so we're acutely aware of the risk of

[1:17:12] Voice 1: styrofoam uh we've seen we've seen the results of uh damaged tanks and stuff floating around

[1:17:19] Voice 1: the water so we wouldn't uh we wouldn't subject that to anybody and we will be taking all

[1:17:24] Voice 1: precautions and buying the latest and greatest to to prevent that sort of thing from happening.

[1:17:30] Voice 1: Thanks.

[1:17:31] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much Peter. Any more questions for the planner? We're getting up

[1:17:37] Trustee Fast: to the time when we will start a formal public hearing where you get to have your say but we've

[1:17:44] Trustee Fast: still got a few more minutes if people have questions for the planner because we want to

[1:17:48] Trustee Fast: make sure everybody gets their information that they need before they make the comments.

[1:17:54] Trustee Fast: any more comments no i'm not seeing any more hands going up well thank you everybody for your

[1:18:00] Trustee Fast: questions then um we're shortly going to start the uh public hearing we've got another another

[1:18:07] Trustee Fast: two minutes here um any either trustee want to make any comments or anything the planner

[1:18:13] Trustee Fast: may have go ahead trustee kate weas um

[1:18:19] Trustee Stamford: i just want um people that are listening or watching

[1:18:22] Trustee Stamford: to understand that generally in this kind of process the trustees have already had lots of

[1:18:29] Trustee Stamford: opportunity to ask questions to go through this this has been on our agenda for several months

[1:18:37] Trustee Stamford: so we this is our turn to sit back and listen to you yeah

[1:18:42] Trustee Fast: so this is a

[1:18:45] Trustee Fast: I will shortly begin and we're going to come into a formal session now public hearing

[1:18:52] Trustee Fast: procedure is laid out um in the rules of that the province sets uh and the legal rules so it'll

[1:18:58] Trustee Fast: start to sound a bit formal um i'll be reading from a script and um just to make sure we dot

[1:19:06] Trustee Fast: all the i's and uh make sure that every everything is uh is covered while we do this i'm just going

[1:19:13] Trustee Fast: to check to make sure that um uh diane is back there diane corbett taking the minutes if you

[1:19:22] Trustee Fast: You could just do a little, type me a note in the chat or say a word.

[1:19:27] Voice 18: Hi, I'm Karen.

[1:19:28] Trustee Fast: Very good.

[1:19:29] Trustee Fast: Very good.

[1:19:29] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[1:19:34] Trustee Fast: And a little dead air.

[1:19:40] Trustee Fast: I feel like I should sing.

[1:19:42] Trustee Fast: 11.50.

[1:19:43] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[1:19:44] Trustee Fast: I'm hoping that everybody's joining us.

[1:19:46] Trustee Fast: Or if you're joining us on live stream, we've come to the part of the meeting that's called number nine on our agenda, public hearing for bylaw number 152.

[1:19:55] Trustee Fast: and um i'd like to open the public hearing now so the public hearing for proposed pilot number 152

[1:20:03] Trustee Fast: is now open welcome everybody and uh i would like to acknowledge that we're meeting in the

[1:20:08] Trustee Fast: territory of the coast salish first nations uh in particular um here um well a number of nations

[1:20:15] Trustee Fast: and i'll probably get it wrong but the squamish and the uh seashell musqueam slale with tooth

[1:20:22] Trustee Fast: and Musqueam. Anyway, I'll just stop there before I embarrass myself further, but we're happy for

[1:20:30] Trustee Fast: their stewardship over the many millennia before today. My name is Trustee Fast, and I'm the chair

[1:20:37] Trustee Fast: of the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee, and I'd like to introduce the other Gambier Island

[1:20:41] Trustee Fast: Local Trust Committee trustees, Kate Louise Stanford, wave her hand, there she is, and Dan

[1:20:47] Trustee Fast: Ann Rogers, Trustee Rogers, raise your hand, thank you.

[1:20:50] Trustee Fast: And I don't think we need to worry about chairs.

[1:20:55] Trustee Fast: There's a part of the script here.

[1:20:57] Trustee Fast: So this public hearing is, excuse me, being convened

[1:21:02] Trustee Fast: pursuant to section 465 of the Local Government Act

[1:21:05] Trustee Fast: in order to consider the following proposed bylaw.

[1:21:08] Trustee Fast: Proposed bylaw 152, cited as Keats Island Land Use Bylaw 2002

[1:21:13] Trustee Fast: 2002, Amendment Number 1, 2020.

[1:21:17] Trustee Fast: All persons who believe their interest in property

[1:21:19] Trustee Fast: is affected by the proposed bylaw

[1:21:21] Trustee Fast: will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard

[1:21:23] Trustee Fast: or to present written submissions

[1:21:26] Trustee Fast: respecting matters contained in the proposed bylaw.

[1:21:29] Trustee Fast: Those wishing to speak should commence their presentation

[1:21:32] Trustee Fast: by clearly stating their name and their address.

[1:21:34] Trustee Fast: And as we've been saying,

[1:21:37] Trustee Fast: I don't think we've had anybody else join,

[1:21:40] Trustee Fast: but if you have, raise your hand by pulling your cursor

[1:21:43] Trustee Fast: or your finger down the page the zoom page and you'll see Ray's hand at the bottom or star nine

[1:21:50] Trustee Fast: on your phone if you're phoning in so members of the local trust committee may if they wish

[1:21:57] Trustee Fast: ask questions of you following your statement and your press or your presentation however the main

[1:22:02] Trustee Fast: function of the local trust committee members as Kate Louise just said is to listen to the views

[1:22:06] Trustee Fast: of the citizens and so it's not the function of committee members to debate you or merit

[1:22:13] Trustee Fast: talk about the merit of the proposed bylaws with individual citizens this is our chance to hear you

[1:22:20] Trustee Fast: everybody will be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard none should feel discouraged

[1:22:24] Trustee Fast: from presenting your views in considering the proposed bylaw the local trust committee has

[1:22:31] Trustee Fast: received documents which may influence this decision and these documents are available

[1:22:36] Trustee Fast: for review during this hearing on our website and as indicated in the public

[1:22:40] Trustee Fast: hearing notice and as Planner Simpson pointed to in her presentation. Any

[1:22:45] Trustee Fast: person who wishes to present a written submission to the Islands Local Trust

[1:22:49] Trustee Fast: Committee instead of speaking now you may do so and so you could send an email

[1:22:54] Trustee Fast: and we will read it before the close of this public hearing. So if you wish to

[1:23:00] Trustee Fast: just send us a note uh an email um then send it to oh she's got it up on the screen thank you

[1:23:08] Trustee Fast: north ph for public hearing sub for submission at islandstrust.bc.ca so if she'll just uh leave

[1:23:19] Trustee Fast: that there for a minute and um that's in case you want to send an email instead of saying your piece

[1:23:25] Trustee Fast: in audio verbally so your only opportunity to comment on the proposed

[1:23:32] Trustee Fast: bylaws during this public hearing as members of the local trust committee may

[1:23:36] Trustee Fast: not receive further submissions after the close of the hearing that's the

[1:23:40] Trustee Fast: rules and after the public hearing is concluded the local trust committee may

[1:23:46] Trustee Fast: without further notice make whatever decision that deems proper with respect

[1:23:49] Trustee Fast: to the bylaw that is the subject of the public hearing and you'll see that next

[1:23:54] Trustee Fast: next on the agenda 10.1. So over here now I'm going to pass the speaking role back to

[1:24:05] Trustee Fast: Planner Simpson and she's going to summarize the Public Hearing Notice and the key points.

[1:24:09] Trustee Fast: Go ahead Planner.

[1:24:10] Voice 5: Thank you Chair Fast. Okay so a copy of the Public Hearing Notice was advertised

[1:24:16] Voice 5: in two consecutive editions of the Coast Reporter on January 22nd 2021 and January 29th 2021.

[1:24:24] Voice 5: Now all notification requirements under the Local Government Act have been completed.

[1:24:29] Voice 5: There is a copy of the complete public hearing binder available during this public hearing and

[1:24:34] Voice 5: it is located on the Islands Trust website by going to the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee

[1:24:41] Voice 5: and Local Trust Area and Current Applications. And the binder has also been available leading

[1:24:47] Voice 5: up to this public hearing. The purpose of proposed bylaw number 152, if adopted,

[1:24:53] Voice 5: will amend the Keats Island land use bylaw number 78 2002 for the subject

[1:24:58] Voice 5: property to change the permitted number of docks from 1 to 3 to recognize the

[1:25:03] Voice 5: existing docks to reduce the maximum ramp width from 2.4 meters to 1.5 meters

[1:25:10] Voice 5: and to reduce the maximum float area from 158 meters to 120 square meters I'm

[1:25:20] Voice 5: I'm just going to pause here for a moment,

[1:25:22] Voice 5: just to double check one of my numbers there.

[1:25:24] Voice 5: I might've written it down incorrectly, I did.

[1:25:26] Voice 5: So I'm just going to correct something I said here,

[1:25:29] Voice 5: just a little typo in my notes.

[1:25:31] Voice 5: So I'm just going to repeat the purpose of this bylaw

[1:25:35] Voice 5: to make sure I'm saying it correctly.

[1:25:37] Voice 5: There are three things that this bylaw does.

[1:25:39] Voice 5: So changing the permitted number of docks from one to three,

[1:25:42] Voice 5: changing the maximum ramp width from 2.4 meters

[1:25:45] Voice 5: to 1.8 meters.

[1:25:47] Voice 5: I had said that incorrectly a moment ago.

[1:25:49] Voice 5: and then to reduce the maximum float area from 158 meters to 120 meters, 20 square meters.

[1:25:56] Trustee Fast: Can you say that again? It's 120?

[1:26:00] Voice 5: Yes, that's right. Reducing the maximum float area from 158 square meters to 120 square meters.

[1:26:07] Voice 5: Thank you.

[1:26:09] Voice 5: The proposed bylaws were referred to one provincial agency, one regional district, and nine First Nations.

[1:26:15] Voice 5: No responses have been received.

[1:26:17] Voice 5: and no written submissions have been received as of the start of this public hearing. Thank you.

[1:26:27] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much. I think now it's time for us to hear the public so this is the chance for

[1:26:36] Trustee Fast: you to raise your hand and have your say and tell us what you think about could make this

[1:26:44] Trustee Fast: better or what you think any public comment you wish to make regarding bylaw 152 so I'm looking

[1:26:52] Trustee Fast: to see if there's any hands being raised raise your hand by down at the bottom of the screen

[1:26:58] Trustee Fast: or by pressing star 9 on your cell phone I'm looking for raised hands I'm seeing maybe more

[1:27:11] Trustee Fast: people joining us might be staff okay reminding you you can speak up now um i'm inviting you to

[1:27:22] Trustee Fast: speak up now or you can uh send an email um and the info is on the screen there north p-h-s-u-b

[1:27:31] Trustee Fast: at islandstress.bc.ca and we'll read it before the end of the public hearing if you don't want to

[1:27:37] Trustee Fast: to speak with your voice.

[1:27:44] Trustee Fast: Okay, I'm going to now call three times by the rules.

[1:27:50] Trustee Fast: I have to do this and it's because we wanna make sure

[1:27:53] Trustee Fast: that you have a chance to speak.

[1:27:56] Trustee Fast: So first, I'll just say any more speakers

[1:28:01] Trustee Fast: or send in your emails now, please.

[1:28:05] Trustee Fast: Second call for speakers, raise your hand

[1:28:09] Trustee Fast: and third call for speakers or send that email now.

[1:28:14] Trustee Fast: so that i think um we're not hearing anything here and uh just a reminder anybody who's come late

[1:28:24] Trustee Fast: this is your chance last call okay then we're going to proceed to close the public hearing

[1:28:32] Trustee Fast: and uh after the public hearing closes the local trust committee will no longer

[1:28:36] Trustee Fast: be able to receive public submissions prior to making a decision um now i'm supposed to ask again

[1:28:43] Trustee Fast: again once for more speakers again for more speakers third time for any more speakers

[1:28:52] Trustee Fast: press send on that email final opportunity to send a written submission thanks everybody for

[1:28:59] Trustee Fast: your patience and i'm going to close this public hearing madam chair we need

[1:29:04] Trustee Rogers: to check and make sure

[1:29:05] Trustee Rogers: there were no uh written submissions before we close the public hearing oh

[1:29:09] Trustee Fast: sorry right just that

[1:29:12] Trustee Fast: was what i was going to do next but i shouldn't close it first i'm just checking my email now

[1:29:17] Trustee Fast: um nope there's nothing there it

[1:29:21] Trustee Rogers: wouldn't be in your email it would be with will

[1:29:24] Trustee Rogers: well

[1:29:26] Voice 4: no it would be coming to your email but i wanted to let um sort of becky know via this that

[1:29:33] Voice 4: um i don't have my email on so she's telling me that nothing has come in i don't know that

[1:29:40] Voice 4: so she'll need to let somebody else know that's on the panel if nothing has come in

[1:29:45] Trustee Fast: okay

[1:29:46] Trustee Fast: Okay. So can somebody contact Becky? Shall I contact Becky?

[1:30:00] Trustee Fast: I can do that oh thank you Heather as you see we want to make sure everybody's got a chance to say

[1:30:13] Trustee Fast: their um say their piece if they've got something they want to add no submissions from Becky

[1:30:28] Trustee Fast: McCarlin and um so I've got that information so now I'm going to close the public hearing

[1:30:34] Trustee Fast: thank you Dan and uh I'm I'm just going to now we're in the post public hearing phase and um

[1:30:42] Trustee Fast: of the of the legislative review of proposed bylaw number 152 and we can no longer receive

[1:30:50] Trustee Fast: information pertaining to the proposed bylaw but you can still you can still send outstanding

[1:30:56] Trustee Fast: questions or comments directly to the planner to Courtney Simpson and so that would be c

[1:31:04] Trustee Fast: Simpson at islandstrust.bc.ca is that correct planner Simpson anyway I'm just reading from

[1:31:12] Trustee Fast: my script here uh we may give now uh further readings to the bylaw or defeat the bylaw or

[1:31:18] Trustee Fast: make amendments uh that do not affect use or density and uh without notice of further hearing

[1:31:23] Trustee Fast: or notice so i'm going to uh reconvene now our planner simpson did you have anything you wanted

[1:31:29] Trustee Fast: to add uh no thank you okay then we're going to reconvene uh the local trust committee meeting

[1:31:36] Trustee Fast: we'll go back to our regular agenda um right and we're on page um well we're just on 10.1

[1:31:48] Trustee Fast: of our uh agenda consideration of further readings we've got to decide now what to do

[1:31:54] Trustee Fast: and uh what is the will of uh local trustees we have uh um something that was sent to us that

[1:32:06] Trustee Fast: we could either read it a third time and forward it to executive committee or we could request

[1:32:11] Trustee Fast: further information or we could deny it or we could hold it in abeyance until uh the shoreline

[1:32:16] Trustee Fast: protection what kind of thing would trustees like to do uh planner simpson um

[1:32:24] Voice 5: yes that's correct

[1:32:24] Voice 5: those are oh i did not intentionally put my hand up i'm sorry i don't know how i did that

[1:32:32] Trustee Rogers: madam chair i'll speak to this first because um this is related to the island upon which i

[1:32:40] Trustee Rogers: I reside and yes, we have the opportunity to,

[1:32:45] Trustee Rogers: as part of this process now to decide whether

[1:32:48] Trustee Rogers: they go forward, whether to defeat it,

[1:32:50] Trustee Rogers: to defer because we need more information.

[1:32:54] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to make the motion and I'll put it on the table

[1:32:58] Trustee Rogers: and then I'll have some things to be said about it.

[1:33:00] Trustee Rogers: And I'm going to move the Gambier Island

[1:33:02] Trustee Rogers: Local Trust Committee by-law number 152,

[1:33:06] Trustee Rogers: cited as Keats Island land use by-law 2002

[1:33:08] Trustee Rogers: to amendment number one, 2020 be read a third time.

[1:33:16] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you.

[1:33:17] Trustee Fast: And I see a seconder, Kate Louise Stamford.

[1:33:19] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much.

[1:33:20] Trustee Fast: So please go ahead,

[1:33:22] Trustee Fast: Trustee Rogers.

[1:33:23] Trustee Rogers: Yes, so thank you.

[1:33:25] Trustee Rogers: And I want to acknowledge both the planners work

[1:33:28] Trustee Rogers: and the planner before Ms. Simpson who worked on this file

[1:33:34] Trustee Rogers: in terms of the requirements

[1:33:36] Trustee Rogers: and moving this matter forward.

[1:33:38] Trustee Rogers: forward. I am a strong proponent of the number of people regularizing their docks. We have

[1:33:49] Trustee Rogers: a number of docks on Keats Island that are not regularized by the province. This is an

[1:33:55] Trustee Rogers: applicant who was attempting to regularize their dock and then discovered that the zoning

[1:34:03] Trustee Rogers: didn't allow what they were trying to regularize or legalize so thank you to

[1:34:10] Trustee Rogers: the the applicant for taking the steps that we've asked them to do it was very

[1:34:15] Trustee Rogers: useful for the for the local trust committee and myself in particular I'll

[1:34:21] Trustee Rogers: speak for myself to see the environmental assessment that was done

[1:34:25] Trustee Rogers: of the area where these docks are it satisfied me that they were not a

[1:34:32] Trustee Rogers: negative influence on the on the environment uh and that uh that the um uh and that therefore we

[1:34:42] Trustee Rogers: i had some comfort related to the environmental impacts of this so that was a good first step

[1:34:48] Trustee Rogers: um secondly this is a bit of an odd property uh in the sense that it's the only property on keats

[1:34:56] Trustee Rogers: of its kind which has nine homes but it's one single lot and in fact most of the properties

[1:35:06] Trustee Rogers: do not have road access to it. It's a it's a because they've decided early on in their

[1:35:14] Trustee Rogers: development of this property that they would use only walking trails. So for some of the

[1:35:20] Trustee Rogers: waterfront properties, the access to their property would have been limited by the community dock,

[1:35:28] Trustee Rogers: which serves a purpose for sure. So these docks were in place. I'm comfortable with the fact that

[1:35:35] Trustee Rogers: we have reduced the maximum float size and not only that, on an average we've reduced substantially

[1:35:43] Trustee Rogers: the maximum float side for each individual docks.

[1:35:49] Trustee Rogers: I doubt we'll actually reach 120 square meters

[1:35:54] Trustee Rogers: given the plans that I've seen,

[1:35:56] Trustee Rogers: but I think it's a good step towards a movement

[1:36:01] Trustee Rogers: on our Keech Shoreline protection plan

[1:36:05] Trustee Rogers: of trying to lessen the impact

[1:36:07] Trustee Rogers: of foreshore developments and docks.

[1:36:10] Trustee Rogers: I was impressed by some of the comments we heard from the property owners earlier in this process related to their commitment to the environment and trying to minimize their impact of their dock.

[1:36:29] Trustee Rogers: So in short, although this seems like a fairly simple amendment to the zoning bylaw, it actually, I think, sets the stage for some other changes that may be coming down the road.

[1:36:42] Trustee Rogers: I don't want to, I don't know what those might look like yet.

[1:36:46] Trustee Rogers: And I think that the applicant has been responsive to all of the requests of the local press committee and I'll be supporting this motion.

[1:36:57] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Trustee Rogers. And Trustee Stamford, did you want to comment?

[1:37:00] Trustee Fast: it?

[1:37:01] Trustee Stamford: Just very briefly that this is a way of specifying a specific solution for a unique

[1:37:12] Trustee Stamford: situation. And this is sort of the options that we have that allow us to go in that direction. So

[1:37:18] Trustee Stamford: I'm in support of this motion. I think we've done a lot of work on it. And I think it's it works for

[1:37:27] Trustee Stamford: for the community.

[1:37:28] Trustee Fast: Very good.

[1:37:30] Trustee Fast: And so then I would like to call the question

[1:37:34] Trustee Fast: unless there's any more discussion.

[1:37:37] Trustee Fast: I'm going to call the question then.

[1:37:38] Trustee Fast: All those in favor of the motion

[1:37:40] Trustee Fast: to read bylaw 152 a third time.

[1:37:44] Trustee Fast: Thank you, that passes unanimously.

[1:37:47] Trustee Fast: Very good.

[1:37:50] Trustee Fast: And then next steps.

[1:37:53] Trustee Fast: There's another motion, I think we might-

[1:37:55] Trustee Rogers: Yes, there is.

[1:37:56] Trustee Rogers: And I was going to make the second motion,

[1:37:57] Trustee Rogers: which is that the Gambier Island Local Trust Committee

[1:38:00] Trustee Rogers: bylaw number 152 cited as Keats Island land use bylaw 2002 amendment number 1 2020 be forward to

[1:38:09] Trustee Rogers: the secretary of the islands trust for approval by the executive committee thank

[1:38:16] Trustee Fast: you do I have

[1:38:17] Trustee Fast: a seconder thank you Kate Louise uh any more discussion no no I'll just point out that um

[1:38:25] Trustee Fast: Both Dan and I are on the executive committee, and there's four members, just for complete transparency.

[1:38:33] Trustee Fast: And so if there's no more discussion, then I would like to call the question.

[1:38:38] Trustee Fast: All those in favor? Thank you. That passes unanimously.

[1:38:44] Trustee Fast: And I'm saying it out loud to make sure Diane can follow in case my connectivity messes up.

[1:38:50] Trustee Fast: So thank you, trustees. And I see Heather Cowher has come.

[1:38:55] Trustee Fast: I'm wondering if we wanted to take a lunch break.

[1:38:57] Trustee Fast: sometime soon so while people are thinking about that um heather did you have something you wanted

[1:39:02] Trustee Fast: to add no okay um i think uh it might be a good time to break here what do you think everybody

[1:39:11] Trustee Rogers: thanks planner simpson for your work and nice to see you again

[1:39:14] Trustee Fast: thank you thank you courtney thank you courtney yes thank you very much sorry i was going to do

[1:39:21] Trustee Fast: that all right uh heather what would you like to say to us

[1:39:24] Trustee Rogers: chair chair chair faust there seems to

[1:39:27] Trustee Rogers: to be a question from um uh mr copping on the phone

[1:39:31] Trustee Fast: right thank you very much um let's see if

[1:39:35] Trustee Fast: we can uh get mr copping back on the line um you're talking is permitted now so if you press

[1:39:42] Trustee Fast: star six you will unmute your phone mr copping star six there you go let's

[1:39:55] Voice 14: see yes please go

[1:39:57] Trustee Fast: I

[1:39:57] Voice 14: just want to say I admire the work that you've done,

[1:40:02] Voice 14: and I very much appreciate the time you've spent.

[1:40:05] Voice 14: I think you've been fair, and you're fine people to work with.

[1:40:10] Voice 14: So thanks from the behalf

[1:40:15] Voice 14: of our group.

[1:40:17] Trustee Fast: Thank you very much.

[1:40:18] Voice 14: And I'll

[1:40:18] Voice 14: sign off now.

[1:40:19] Voice 14: Thank you.

[1:40:20] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you very much.

[1:40:23] Trustee Fast: Okay, that's very good.

[1:40:25] Trustee Fast: good and then um uh with that um what do you think folks do you want to take a half hour lunch break

[1:40:33] Trustee Fast: now

[1:40:34] Trustee Rogers: i'm okay okay

[1:40:35] Trustee Fast: okay it's

[1:40:37] Trustee Rogers: up to you but it's up to you chair if you need a break we'll take

[1:40:39] Trustee Rogers: a break but otherwise i'm ready to move on all

[1:40:42] Trustee Fast: right but we've got staff here as well and uh i

[1:40:45] Trustee Fast: think um some of us have other people in our houses that we need to check on and things like

[1:40:50] Trustee Fast: that. So I'm wondering if we can take a break now and we'll come back together at 12.40. Okay.

[1:40:57] Trustee Fast: That suit? Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Pause for now and see you everybody at 12.40. Thanks, everybody.

[2:10:08] Voice 18: So as soon as I

[2:10:08] Trustee Fast: see Trustee Stamford is with us, we can, there she is.

[2:10:21] Trustee Fast: Right on time. Thank you very much, everybody.

[2:10:25] Trustee Fast: Just have to cough one second.

[2:10:32] Trustee Fast: Okay, let's reconvene the meeting.

[2:10:35] Trustee Fast: And here we are at 1140, sorry, 1240.

[2:10:39] Trustee Fast: And we're on section 10.2 of our agenda.

[2:10:43] Trustee Fast: So this is the second application.

[2:10:45] Trustee Fast: application and um here we've got uh um regional planning manager cower uh to speak for planner

[2:10:55] Trustee Fast: bronwyn um excuse me gosh uh who wrote the planner's report so we're on page 28 we'll get

[2:11:05] Trustee Fast: started here and um take it away heather this

[2:11:15] Voice 12: is a report about uh we received the rezoning

[2:11:19] Voice 12: application on Gambier Island on 1040. How do you pronounce this? Take it easy.

[2:11:33] Voice 12: Take it easy. Okay. All right. Good to know. So the resounding application is on this property.

[2:11:44] Voice 12: There are three dwelling units on this property and the applicants want to replace one of those dwelling units with another dwelling.

[2:11:57] Voice 12: So they want to tear down one and replace it. The zoning on the property does not allow for three dwellings.

[2:12:03] Voice 12: And in fact, as far as I understand it, there are no zones on Gambier that allow for three dwellings.

[2:12:12] Voice 12: Um, so if this rezoning were to move forward and the LTC were, um, amenable to considering

[2:12:22] Voice 12: adopting a zone that would allow for three dwellings, likely we would, um, it would end

[2:12:29] Voice 12: up with a comprehensive development zone.

[2:12:32] Voice 12: Um, that's one option.

[2:12:35] Voice 12: Um, the other option is that you're adopting a whole new land use designation, a new zone

[2:12:42] Voice 12: that would allow for three dwellings and it could be a zone that would not just apply to

[2:12:48] Voice 12: this property but other people could apply in the future to have that zone. Comprehensive

[2:12:55] Voice 12: development zones tend to be site-specific and not easily applied to other properties.

[2:13:04] Voice 12: so just kind of the mechanics of that so part of what we're part of what we're

[2:13:13] Voice 12: asking the LTC is are you generally in principle amenable to considering a zone that would allow

[2:13:22] Voice 12: three dwellings on it and if you are then this application can move forward

[2:13:29] Voice 12: and so if you want to move it forward knowing that that would be the end result

[2:13:33] Voice 12: likely. There are a few things, there are bits of information that we would like to get from

[2:13:41] Voice 12: the applicant that would help us develop that zone and to determine, you know, our support,

[2:13:48] Voice 12: staff support for three dwellings versus the two that are allowed there now.

[2:13:54] Voice 12: And our recommendation reflects that request. We don't know exactly where on the property

[2:14:01] Voice 12: of the the buildings are we do have a natural boundary setback that needs should likely be met

[2:14:12] Voice 12: and we would need to know where those property those buildings are specifically to know if

[2:14:17] Voice 12: they're meeting those setbacks or not and this is the list of things that we're recommending that

[2:14:24] Voice 12: we ask of the applicant. So you'll note from the report too that if we do move forward with

[2:14:34] Voice 12: this process, we do think that the applicant will need an OCP amendment as well. Right now,

[2:14:40] Voice 12: they have a rezone application in, and there's a certain fee associated with that that they have

[2:14:45] Voice 12: paid. An OCP amendment would be additional paperwork, but also an additional fee on top of

[2:14:52] Voice 12: it um so there's that associated with it as well um so i think i'll leave it at that and then if

[2:15:00] Voice 12: you have any further questions i will try to answer them thank

[2:15:05] Trustee Fast: you very much uh planning

[2:15:06] Trustee Fast: manager car and uh i think kate louise might have some questions go ahead kate louise first do i

[2:15:12] Trustee Fast: have

[2:15:13] Trustee Stamford: questions um um thank you for this i mean just looking at the report um having the photographs

[2:15:22] Trustee Stamford: uh i've paddled by this particular property um frequently so always been interested in what

[2:15:29] Trustee Stamford: what the history is um i guess i'm i feel like um i've been asked to put the cart before the

[2:15:40] Trustee Stamford: horse a little bit um i feel like we need to know more um and also i want to be sure that the

[2:15:49] Trustee Stamford: the applicants know what they're getting into.

[2:15:55] Trustee Stamford: So one of the questions I have,

[2:15:58] Trustee Stamford: so in the report, it suggests the applicants have applied

[2:16:02] Trustee Stamford: for zoning by-law text amendment,

[2:16:05] Trustee Stamford: which to me sounds very minor.

[2:16:06] Trustee Stamford: And I'm wondering if somebody could clarify

[2:16:08] Trustee Stamford: what a text amendment is,

[2:16:10] Trustee Stamford: because what I'm actually hearing is this is an OCP

[2:16:14] Trustee Stamford: and rezoning, which is the much more significant

[2:16:20] Trustee Stamford: undertaking and also as far as i'm reading the recommendations it is an undertaking to

[2:16:27] Trustee Stamford: basically legalize what is there because as far as building locations because the recommendations

[2:16:35] Trustee Stamford: from the staff is not to permit an expansion of that third cabin so if i'm understanding the

[2:16:43] Trustee Stamford: the report correctly, it's an amendment to allow what is actually there and has been there for

[2:16:52] Trustee Stamford: many years.

[2:16:54] Voice 12: Right. So to your first question about the text amendment, I'll just kind of start there.

[2:17:01] Voice 12: I think we said the applicants have paid for, have applied for a rezone at this point. So

[2:17:09] Voice 12: So having reviewed that application, we've determined that they likely will need an OCP

[2:17:14] Voice 12: amendment too.

[2:17:15] Voice 12: And so, and I believe they are aware of that, you know, that we've kind of looked into that.

[2:17:23] Voice 12: It's probably, a text amendment can be lots of things.

[2:17:28] Voice 12: It can be minor or major.

[2:17:29] Voice 12: In this particular case, the text amendment to the land use bylaw would be the adoption

[2:17:35] Voice 12: of a new zone, a new zoning designation.

[2:17:39] Voice 12: So it would either be the Comprehensive Development Zone,

[2:17:43] Voice 12: which would then outline the allowed uses on the property,

[2:17:47] Voice 12: the lot coverage, the setbacks, et cetera.

[2:17:49] Voice 12: So we're adopting a whole new zoning designation.

[2:17:53] Voice 12: And that is a text amendment, yeah.

[2:17:59] Voice 12: But we probably missed the fact

[2:18:01] Voice 12: and probably should have been more explicit

[2:18:03] Voice 12: that that would also then prompt a requirement

[2:18:07] Voice 12: for a map amendment as well because on the zoning map that new zoning designation would then be

[2:18:13] Voice 12: applied to this property so that's kind of what that means a text amendment can be tiny or it can

[2:18:20] Voice 12: be a whole new zoning designation but it's just the document itself um right

[2:18:26] Trustee Stamford: now is it legal

[2:18:27] Trustee Stamford: non-conforming right now i

[2:18:31] Voice 12: think there's a question mark to that because we don't know

[2:18:35] Voice 12: exactly when the buildings were built, you know, what the requirements were at the time

[2:18:41] Voice 12: that they were built, and they've been expanded over time. It appears from photographs they've

[2:18:46] Voice 12: been expanded. So it's possible for them to have a legal argument that they're legally

[2:18:57] Voice 12: non-conforming as they are. Um, and they could potentially, um, the situation could

[2:19:08] Voice 12: potentially be interpreted that way. However, what sort of throws a wrench in it is now they

[2:19:14] Voice 12: want to completely take down one of those three houses and which will, would then that, that

[2:19:22] Voice 12: that building would lose its non-conforming status

[2:19:25] Voice 12: and they want to put on a third, you know,

[2:19:27] Voice 12: that a replacement building.

[2:19:30] Voice 12: So.

[2:19:32] Voice 12: Larger building.

[2:19:33] Voice 12: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2:19:36] Voice 12: Now what they've told us is that, you know,

[2:19:39] Voice 12: this, the building that they want to replace

[2:19:41] Voice 12: is the one that is closest to the water.

[2:19:44] Voice 12: They have said they want to move that building back

[2:19:47] Voice 12: from the water further

[2:19:49] Voice 12: and could potentially meet the natural boundary setbacks.

[2:19:55] Voice 12: But again, we would have to see site plans

[2:19:57] Voice 12: with measurements to know for sure.

[2:19:59] Voice 12: So yeah, that's.

[2:20:02] Voice 12: And

[2:20:03] Trustee Stamford: a final question,

[2:20:04] Trustee Stamford: has anyone talked to them about the possibility

[2:20:10] Trustee Stamford: of actually putting, if they were to have a third building

[2:20:15] Trustee Stamford: in an entirely different location,

[2:20:16] Trustee Stamford: location like further back behind the other two cabins is that you know I'm not sure what their

[2:20:23] Trustee Stamford: I guess I could ask them what their amenability to that kind of change would be yeah

[2:20:29] Voice 12: I'm not sure

[2:20:30] Voice 12: I'm not sure if Bronwyn and the applicants have spoken about that possibility but even if they

[2:20:35] Voice 12: wanted to do that if that was in the end their proposal they would still need a rezoning application

[2:20:40] Voice 12: application. Yeah.

[2:20:41] Trustee Stamford: Yeah. I think that's to start. That's my questions. Your

[2:20:47] Trustee Fast: first set. Okay. Thank

[2:20:49] Trustee Fast: you, Kate Louise. Trustee Rogers.

[2:20:52] Trustee Rogers: Thanks, Chair Fass. And just I just want to, I expect you

[2:20:57] Trustee Rogers: probably noticed this, but just so you know, the applicant and the legal representative are on our

[2:21:05] Trustee Rogers: attendee list so that's

[2:21:07] Trustee Fast: great and maybe I should mention that once we've finished with our

[2:21:11] Trustee Fast: questions for the planner then the applicant gets a chance to speak for five minutes to let us know

[2:21:17] Trustee Fast: if any agreements or errors or omissions that they see or concurrence recommend it with the

[2:21:25] Trustee Fast: recommendations and that kind of thing so please stand by applicants and go ahead trustee Rogers

[2:21:31] Trustee Fast: Thanks.

[2:21:33] Trustee Rogers: So that was one of my questions was what's a bylaw text amendment, but because it's actually labeled a rezone, it's called RZ. So this is basically a rezoning.

[2:21:43] Trustee Rogers: So my understanding is with the exception of perhaps the Sea Ranch, which has multi-unit rezoning but is one single property and has special zoning attached to it because of the type of property is,

[2:22:01] Trustee Rogers: all of the residential zoning on Gambier allows only a maximum of two residents, correct?

[2:22:12] Trustee Rogers: right right

[2:22:13] Trustee Stamford: so there's also um lion's view estates which i think would be a different okay

[2:22:20] Trustee Rogers: um so

[2:22:23] Trustee Rogers: which are i'll call them special cases because this build this lot looks like it's surrounded

[2:22:30] Trustee Rogers: by similarly zoned lock that are individual lots of approximately the same size there may be some

[2:22:38] Trustee Rogers: some distinction, but just looking at the zoning map, it looks like there's a series of lots on

[2:22:45] Trustee Rogers: either side of it that are sort of long and somewhat narrow and are about an acre and three

[2:22:53] Trustee Rogers: quarters. So what is a comprehensive development zone when it's at home that could be applied to

[2:23:05] Trustee Rogers: an individual property because, and I'll just sort of say to you what I, I'm struggling with

[2:23:13] Trustee Rogers: how we would rezone this particular lot and be fair or take into consideration the rights of

[2:23:26] Trustee Rogers: all the property owners that are similarly situated around them. So can you give me some

[2:23:31] Trustee Rogers: sense of that um

[2:23:35] Voice 12: i'm not exactly sure how to answer that um because essentially they are

[2:23:43] Voice 12: asking for zoning that would not apply to anybody else right it would be a special case and they

[2:23:49] Voice 12: would be being granted something special that nobody else has right

[2:23:54] Trustee Rogers: and that's sort of the way

[2:23:55] Trustee Rogers: i read this yeah is is you know unless we were going to go and go you know what all of those

[2:24:03] Trustee Rogers: properties along that shoreline or along that area um you're all we're going to rezone you all so

[2:24:11] Trustee Rogers: that you can have three homes um uh that you know how you know we got we'd have to figure out why

[2:24:22] Trustee Rogers: this is a special case other than you know there's a number of family members um which appears there

[2:24:29] Trustee Rogers: there are. And this is something that's arising in a number of locations where there are limited

[2:24:37] Trustee Rogers: property footprints. Paisley Island comes to mind where you're into like third and fourth

[2:24:44] Trustee Rogers: and fifth generations, but there's only a certain number of footprints for homes. And how do you

[2:24:50] Trustee Rogers: share? Anyway, okay. So you don't know, we don't know for sure if these are legal non-conforming,

[2:24:56] Trustee Rogers: but they might be. And I saw the report sort of explored what they could do with the various

[2:25:05] Trustee Rogers: buildings if they were indeed determined to be legal non-conforming with the various buildings.

[2:25:13] Trustee Rogers: Can I make sure I'm understanding something else? It's not something you can grant a variance to

[2:25:21] Trustee Rogers: to allow more dent, correct?

[2:25:23] Trustee Rogers: Right.

[2:25:24] Trustee Rogers: So we can't grant a variance

[2:25:26] Trustee Rogers: to allow an extra building on this.

[2:25:28] Trustee Rogers: It's you have to rezone.

[2:25:30] Trustee Rogers: Okay. That's right.

[2:25:32] Trustee Rogers: And there is no current zoning contemplated

[2:25:36] Trustee Rogers: in either the OCP or the land use bylaw

[2:25:41] Trustee Rogers: that contemplates this type of having three homes

[2:25:44] Trustee Rogers: on one of these kinds of properties.

[2:25:46] Trustee Rogers: Am I correct about that?

[2:25:47] Voice 12: Yes.

[2:25:49] Trustee Rogers: Complicated.

[2:25:53] Trustee Rogers: I'd like to at some point hear from the applicant because I can see all sorts of stopping places on this application, including, you know, I'm not judging it, including potentially today.

[2:26:14] Trustee Rogers: And I'd want to make sure that the, as Trustee Stanford, that the applicant's aware that that's possible.

[2:26:21] Trustee Rogers: anyway that's those are my questions technically for a moment thank

[2:26:28] Trustee Fast: you trustee rogers trustee

[2:26:30] Trustee Fast: stanford um if

[2:26:33] Trustee Stamford: it's determined that this these um dwellings are not legally non-conforming

[2:26:45] Trustee Stamford: nonconforming what happens next um

[2:26:51] Voice 12: well technically they aren't meeting the bylaw

[2:26:57] Voice 12: at the moment and so bylaw enforcement is the next step in terms of not yeah if they were if

[2:27:07] Voice 12: they were not legally non-conforming they would be illegally non-conforming which would mean bylaw

[2:27:12] Voice 12: law enforcement so by stepping out to try

[2:27:19] Trustee Stamford: and formalize their arrangement that they have on

[2:27:25] Trustee Stamford: this property they put themselves potentially in a bit of a dilemma whereas if they just left it

[2:27:32] Trustee Stamford: alone uh would be sitting there looking at those little houses on the shoreline like we have for

[2:27:40] Trustee Stamford: the last 60 years or so possibly yeah okay okay thank

[2:27:50] Trustee Fast: you trustee stamford i um i don't know very

[2:27:54] Trustee Fast: much about this but haven't read the report um my question is just a broad one is uh um what could

[2:28:03] Trustee Fast: uh a new zone well i just worry about the precedent that this would set on gambier and

[2:28:10] Trustee Fast: and I'm not familiar with the community

[2:28:12] Trustee Fast: or the particular site,

[2:28:15] Trustee Fast: but it seems to me to be something in terms of density

[2:28:23] Trustee Fast: and numbers of dwellings per lot

[2:28:25] Trustee Fast: that might have a big impact in the future of the island.

[2:28:30] Trustee Fast: And I think we should consider that really carefully

[2:28:34] Trustee Fast: if depending on what we decide to do.

[2:28:37] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:28:38] Trustee Fast: I'm going to go ahead, Trustee Stamford.

[2:28:41] Trustee Fast: Yeah,

[2:28:41] Trustee Stamford: one last question to the planner. If we were to look at a comprehensive zone here, how carefully could we nail down size, shape, form, in order to ensure that this does not expand any further?

[2:29:04] Trustee Stamford: they're this what they have is what they get um is there a way of doing that so that it becomes

[2:29:12] Trustee Stamford: um limited in terms of other people looking at this as a as an alternative yeah

[2:29:21] Voice 12: i i suspect we

[2:29:22] Voice 12: would do that through lack coverage uh maximums um it's it's a little more cumbersome to try and

[2:29:30] Voice 12: pin down each building although I think technically you can I think I think you

[2:29:35] Voice 12: have the ability to do that but most of the time we do it through lot coverage

[2:29:39] Voice 12: maximums and so you you know take the existing square footage and call it a

[2:29:44] Voice 12: max yeah okay okay

[2:29:47] Trustee Fast: thank you would the trustees like to hear from the applicant

[2:29:53] Trustee Fast: I see that he's over there in the attendees or one of them is Kim Torgerson

[2:30:00] Trustee Fast: if you'd like to speak or if somebody else from your applicant group would like to speak if you

[2:30:05] Trustee Fast: want to raise your hand you've got five minutes to speak to your application indicate your

[2:30:13] Trustee Fast: concurrence with the planner's report so there's

[2:30:15] Trustee Fast: kim kim

[2:30:17] Trustee Rogers: torgeson and susan hildebrand is also the

[2:30:20] Trustee Rogers: signatory to the legal representative so they're probably both here to speak to this okay chair

[2:30:27] Voice 4: Chair Fast, would you like the applicants promoted to panelist or just allowed to speak?

[2:30:33] Trustee Fast: I'm seeing nodding from the trustees. Promote them to panelist? Okay, I had trouble with this

[2:30:39] Trustee Fast: last time on Hornby, and we didn't even, or Denman, we didn't even try it on Hornby, but let's try.

[2:30:46] Trustee Fast: Okay, there, Kim. And if you would like to turn on your camera and your microphone,

[2:30:53] Trustee Fast: and here comes Susan. Welcome, Susan Hildebrandt and Kim Torgerson. And both of you can

[2:31:01] Trustee Fast: and unmute your microphones or whoever's going to speak and you can open your camera if you choose

[2:31:07] Trustee Fast: to um turn on your camera so we can see you but i don't see that oh there we go here comes

[2:31:17] Voice 18: here i am

[2:31:18] Trustee Fast: hello and uh so um uh kim if you would like you've got five minutes between you and susan

[2:31:25] Trustee Fast: or you know tell us hello susan hi and uh tell us um you know what have your input about the

[2:31:35] Trustee Fast: concurrence with the report or let us know about any errors or omissions and that kind of thing

[2:31:39] Trustee Fast: please go ahead do you want to start susan um

[2:31:43] Voice 17: sure i um understand obviously where islands

[2:31:47] Voice 17: point of view is from, I guess we are kind of in a delicate position for sure, either

[2:31:59] Voice 17: staying or trying to move forward. The increase in the footprint of the existing building

[2:32:05] Voice 17: is fairly small, and being such a dilapidated building as it is, if this can go forward,

[2:32:18] Voice 17: it is there an opportunity to rebuild within that footprint as well? Okay. I know that's not what

[2:32:29] Voice 17: Kim is looking for, but I'm just trying to figure out what all the options would be before we

[2:32:33] Voice 17: kind of have to conclude.

[2:32:38] Trustee Fast: Was that a question for the planner? Yeah. Okay.

[2:32:44] Voice 12: Yeah, it kind of

[2:32:46] Voice 12: doesn't matter because once you tear down the existing building, it loses its non-conforming

[2:32:52] Voice 12: status so um and yeah so it doesn't really matter what the footprint is so

[2:33:00] Voice 16: i have a question uh to

[2:33:02] Voice 16: that point what if the cabin falls over because it is literally going into its 70 79 year of existence

[2:33:10] Voice 16: without any renovations really like other than patching a roof or you know repairing it on the

[2:33:18] Voice 16: the fly kind of thing and it is literally the two side wings are starting to dip outward so we

[2:33:27] Voice 16: have to prop it up or risk losing it completely so every year when we go up it's like do we even

[2:33:35] Voice 16: have a place that's left to go to um we these cabins were originally built in 1942 cabin number

[2:33:44] Voice 16: Number one, which is not ours, was 1942.

[2:33:47] Voice 16: Ours came in second in 1942.

[2:33:50] Voice 16: And then the third cabin was built in 1943.

[2:33:53] Voice 16: And we do have pictures documenting that with years on them.

[2:33:58] Voice 16: So and most of them have not been really renovated that much or added on to.

[2:34:04] Voice 16: Ours has not had any size added to it at all.

[2:34:08] Voice 16: um we feel like at the minimum we would like to replace the existing building um but as it is now

[2:34:19] Voice 16: we have one bedroom one tiny living room kitchen area and then the the side kitchen where we cook

[2:34:26] Voice 16: um we have no bathroom we have no shower we have no laundry facilities we have nothing

[2:34:34] Voice 16: And we are looking for a smaller amount of space to add onto that cabin if we are allowed to expand the size of it.

[2:34:45] Voice 16: And I understand it's nothing that's, it is a special case.

[2:34:51] Voice 16: We've had those three cabins in our family for 78 years without any need to apply for anything.

[2:35:00] Voice 16: I'm learning about all these doc permits and all these different things we have to do now

[2:35:05] Voice 16: because we decided to go the above board and proper way by applying for a permit

[2:35:11] Voice 16: to expand and to rebuild.

[2:35:14] Voice 16: So we're putting our hands, our trust in all of your hands and our ability to improve our

[2:35:22] Voice 16: family life up there.

[2:35:23] Voice 16: But my in-laws are 80 years old and they can't go up there.

[2:35:30] Voice 16: it's too hard on them they can't there's no facilities for them to go to the washroom or

[2:35:35] Voice 16: shower or clean up and um you know at 80 years of age and having put their whole life into it

[2:35:41] Voice 16: my mother-in-law was two years old uh when they were building it and um they deserve some

[2:35:50] Voice 16: enjoyment to that place now when they're you know getting aged so that's what this is all about and

[2:35:56] Voice 16: And I'm the one that's been tasked

[2:35:58] Voice 16: with the job of doing this.

[2:36:01] Voice 16: Thanks to Susan, we met her and she's been helping us out.

[2:36:04] Voice 16: So that's kind of our story in a nutshell.

[2:36:08] Voice 16: Thank you for your time too.

[2:36:10] Voice 16: I really appreciate it.

[2:36:12] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[2:36:12] Trustee Fast: And trustees, do you have questions for the applicant?

[2:36:15] Trustee Fast: Go ahead, Trustee Rogers.

[2:36:17] Trustee Rogers: Well, I'll let Trustee Stamford go first.

[2:36:20] Trustee Rogers: This is-

[2:36:21] Trustee Fast: Sure, sorry.

[2:36:22] Trustee Fast: I didn't see-

[2:36:22] Trustee Rogers: I think I saw her nod.

[2:36:24] Trustee Rogers: I mean, I have some questions.

[2:36:26] Trustee Rogers: go

[2:36:26] Trustee Stamford: ahead trustee stanford i'm sure we'll get them all answered um i really appreciate that um you

[2:36:33] Trustee Stamford: outlined how this would be used i think there there are um a few families left uh on the

[2:36:42] Trustee Stamford: southwest peninsula that um obtained these places a long time ago and have slowly evolved out um

[2:36:52] Trustee Stamford: and and have the little summer homes so like I said before I've paddled past here and I went

[2:36:59] Trustee Stamford: wow look at that that looks different from everything else along that particular line

[2:37:03] Trustee Stamford: pretty much close so given that can you just tell me a little bit more about your your neighbors

[2:37:12] Trustee Stamford: I didn't see anything although you said you had support from your neighbors I haven't seen

[2:37:17] Trustee Stamford: seen anything on support that they've demonstrated support um I'm also wondering um have you thought

[2:37:24] Trustee Stamford: about if you were to have the ability to move um that dwelling further back up the property

[2:37:34] Trustee Stamford: towards the road and also right now do you have road access at all I know that's sort of the

[2:37:40] Trustee Stamford: dividing line between on take it easy road between water access only and and people using

[2:37:46] Trustee Stamford: take it easy road which for those people that haven't been there it's really not much of a road

[2:37:51] Trustee Stamford: it's it's it's a goat track um so those kind of questions

[2:37:54] Voice 16: yeah um to speak to the people the

[2:37:59] Voice 16: property owners on either side of us uh we have a written letter from kirby graham who is the

[2:38:05] Voice 16: owner of the property to i guess it would be the south of us and to the cabin to the north of us

[2:38:12] Voice 16: it's our family it's another they own the whole lot and their cabin is right next to our

[2:38:20] Voice 16: lot so uh of course we have a letter from my auntie maureen that's uh saying yeah go ahead

[2:38:26] Voice 16: um as for sorry the the access uh take it easy road is up at the very back of our property and

[2:38:35] Voice 16: And there is a little, it's a gravel road.

[2:38:39] Voice 16: So it's a, it's the one that runs by the government wharf and up the hill past our

[2:38:44] Voice 16: places.

[2:38:45] Voice 16: And there is a trail you can get on it through a four by four or, or like a, what do you

[2:38:52] Voice 16: call those all terrain vehicles or whatever.

[2:38:56] Voice 16: And you can get access down from take it easy road all the way along.

[2:39:00] Voice 16: and i think it goes all the way down to pretty much butcher's place which is way down the bay

[2:39:05] Voice 16: from us so there is access but not great access um as for the thought of moving the the cabin

[2:39:16] Voice 16: um if we were able and if we had a guarantee that we could uh build up in the back because

[2:39:28] Voice 16: because we have sort of a flat part,

[2:39:30] Voice 16: well, nothing's flat on Gambier,

[2:39:33] Voice 16: but there's got sort of some levels

[2:39:35] Voice 16: and then there's a big ridge that goes up

[2:39:37] Voice 16: and then it's flat up there.

[2:39:40] Voice 16: And we've actually kind of put boards together

[2:39:44] Voice 16: and built a tent platform up there

[2:39:46] Voice 16: for when the kids were little.

[2:39:48] Voice 16: And it's of course all rotted and everything,

[2:39:50] Voice 16: but there is space to put a home,

[2:39:53] Voice 16: a cabin up there without really much

[2:39:56] Voice 16: other than taking down some trees clearing an area and I think I think I

[2:40:03] Voice 16: can speak for our family when I say that if we were able to do an expanded

[2:40:08] Voice 16: footprint from the what 600 square feet that we currently have that would be I

[2:40:16] Voice 16: think that would be agreeable to do something like that the the main thing

[2:40:22] Voice 16: is is to get the room to have it comfortable for for family members to come okay

[2:40:27] Trustee Stamford: and one final

[2:40:28] Trustee Stamford: question i you mentioned having a modular home coming in and i know this is you know i'm not

[2:40:34] Trustee Stamford: saying this is going to go ahead or not but visually how did you see getting it there like

[2:40:41] Trustee Stamford: i'm assuming it um

[2:40:42] Trustee Stamford: like you said again your construction person so i'm assuming something

[2:40:47] Trustee Stamford: something like gourd or something um like would you be coming through from take it easy road or

[2:40:53] Trustee Stamford: do you see it coming in from the ocean from

[2:40:56] Voice 16: the ocean okay okay there's

[2:40:59] Voice 16: i think it's impossible

[2:41:00] Voice 16: for it to come down the hill there it yeah because we've

[2:41:04] Voice 16: even had somebody say can you build a little

[2:41:06] Voice 16: road like from the shore in and we'll haul it in on a truck and and drive the truck up to the

[2:41:14] Voice 16: the shoreline and back it in and it can't be done there isn't enough room without taking out the

[2:41:20] Voice 16: neighbors floats and ramps and everything so no it would be crane lifted from a from a barge

[2:41:27] Voice 16: okay

[2:41:28] Trustee Stamford: and i'll just make a comment that you kind of you our discussion earlier that

[2:41:35] Trustee Stamford: um by putting this out here you've kind of put us in a position where we're now looking at the

[2:41:41] Trustee Stamford: legality of the locations of the buildings um and um also that this is sort of quite far beyond what

[2:41:53] Trustee Stamford: generally as far as density that this is this is a big jump so anyway i'm gonna pass it on to trustee

[2:42:01] Trustee Stamford: rogers and see what other questions he has go

[2:42:05] Trustee Fast: ahead trustee rogers thank

[2:42:12] Trustee Rogers: you uh nice to meet

[2:42:14] Trustee Rogers: you so i i'm sort of looking at the two photographs that are given because i was

[2:42:23] Trustee Rogers: that that we were provided because the buildings look remarkably different than the ones that the

[2:42:30] Trustee Rogers: photograph the earlier photographs that were given in terms of um uh the both the footprint

[2:42:36] Trustee Rogers: and the size and the style etc so i'm i'm guessing there's been a fair amount of expansion over the

[2:42:42] Trustee Rogers: the years not

[2:42:44] Voice 16: to ours well

[2:42:45] Trustee Rogers: i don't know which one is ours ours

[2:42:47] Voice 16: is the front one the one closest to

[2:42:49] Voice 16: the water well

[2:42:51] Trustee Rogers: it certainly has wings on both sides that weren't there the

[2:42:54] Voice 16: original that was

[2:42:55] Voice 16: started in 1942 that was a picture if you're looking at the picture that uh i think you are

[2:43:01] Voice 16: uh it's just a single square box in the front and then there was the two what we call the two

[2:43:07] Voice 16: two rings, the kitchen and the bedroom that were added later on that year or the next year. I mean,

[2:43:13] Voice 16: that the first cabin that was built was built by the two couples that bought the lot. The cabin

[2:43:20] Voice 16: that we have in the front cabin number two was built after the first cabin was built and it was

[2:43:27] Voice 16: built for the parents. So technically my husband's great, great grandparents. And that was where they

[2:43:35] Voice 16: They lived for the first, I guess, year or two years when they were up there building.

[2:43:41] Voice 16: And as they had lumber and ability to add them on in the next year, they built the two wings, the kitchen and the bedroom.

[2:43:52] Voice 16: But those it's not like those were built in like 19, even the 50s.

[2:43:57] Voice 16: They were built before the 50s.

[2:43:59] Voice 16: They were built in the early 40s.

[2:44:05] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[2:44:07] Trustee Rogers: I

[2:44:07] Voice 16: don't know what you're referring to the photos.

[2:44:10] Trustee Rogers: I'm just looking

[2:44:10] Trustee Rogers: at the photo that I'm seeing

[2:44:12] Trustee Rogers: that's taken from the water of the current buildings

[2:44:14] Trustee Rogers: and they look like relatively modern current

[2:44:17] Trustee Rogers: and the one below look like 1940s shacks, cabins.

[2:44:23] Trustee Rogers: So it just

[2:44:24] Trustee Rogers: looks so different

[2:44:25] Trustee Rogers: that I would never have guessed

[2:44:27] Trustee Rogers: that they were actually the same building.

[2:44:29] Voice 16: I could have somebody go back into their archives

[2:44:34] Voice 16: and see if they can grab a photo

[2:44:35] Voice 16: of like when they were completed the way they are now like what year that happened but I know it was

[2:44:44] Voice 16: in the 40s it was it was not like those pictures were taken in like the 70s the ones that you're

[2:44:52] Voice 16: looking at now that show or even as recently as the last couple of years when we've been up there

[2:44:58] Voice 16: I don't know which one you're looking at well

[2:45:00] Trustee Rogers: I'm just looking at there's only two two pictures in

[2:45:02] Trustee Rogers: our package which i assume you provided page

[2:45:05] Trustee Fast: 37 of our agenda has two photos on it

[2:45:08] Trustee Rogers: yeah sorry i

[2:45:10] Trustee Rogers: don't know if you've got that in front of you oh

[2:45:12] Voice 16: yeah that one yeah that one was taken probably in

[2:45:16] Voice 16: the last couple that was in the last couple of years yeah right

[2:45:21] Trustee Rogers: so and if you look at the one

[2:45:24] Trustee Rogers: below it which are the only two photos we have yeah that's what i'm talking about yes of course

[2:45:30] Trustee Rogers: you would never guess

[2:45:31] Trustee Rogers: those with any those were anything that they were the same buildings

[2:45:37] Trustee Rogers: those

[2:45:38] Voice 16: photos were taken to prove the year that they were started um which was 1942 because there

[2:45:46] Voice 16: was we had to prove when they were built

[2:45:48] Trustee Rogers: so um anyway when i as i said when i that's why i ask

[2:45:55] Trustee Rogers: you the question when i look at the topper picture the one that's now showing on the screen

[2:45:59] Trustee Rogers: um those look much more modern they look like they've been added

[2:46:03] Trustee Rogers: there have been things added

[2:46:04] Trustee Rogers: to them they look like they've been constructed probably in the last 15 to 20 years um and but i

[2:46:13] Trustee Rogers: so i'm just but besides that i there's a fundamental question we've got kim and this

[2:46:18] Trustee Rogers: torgeson and this hellgren i mean i i just want to make sure you understand that there is no

[2:46:26] Trustee Rogers: No properties other than a couple of special properties that are co-ops or corporations that are designed specifically to be multifamily and that are on big lots, etc.

[2:46:38] Trustee Rogers: That allows for three buildings, three homes, three residences.

[2:46:43] Trustee Rogers: I mean, there are none.

[2:46:45] Trustee Rogers: I mean, none of the zoning contemplates that kind of density.

[2:46:51] Trustee Rogers: And so I just want to make sure you understand that.

[2:46:54] Trustee Rogers: And I guess the question would be, you know, if you had any view about it, about, you know, you're basically asking us to regularize or legalize three homes on a property for which that zoning doesn't apply to any of the lots around you.

[2:47:15] Trustee Rogers: And I guess my question for you is why do you think we should do that?

[2:47:21] Trustee Rogers: And I'm being honest, I'm not being negative,

[2:47:24] Trustee Rogers: I'm just asking the question why you think.

[2:47:28] Voice 16: Well, I totally

[2:47:29] Voice 16: understand about how it is now,

[2:47:36] Voice 16: how the zoning is now that would never have allowed

[2:47:40] Voice 16: this to happen in the first place.

[2:47:44] Voice 16: However, those three buildings have been there

[2:47:47] Voice 16: for many decades now,

[2:47:49] Voice 16: now and it's it's our home it's our summer place it could be torn down sure to make it conforming

[2:47:59] Voice 16: for the other two cabins but then we lose out right so what do we do sell our cabin to the

[2:48:07] Voice 16: other two and leave and go find a place in cultists um like these three cabins have been

[2:48:14] Voice 16: there for decades before all of these laws came into effect and that's where we're at right now

[2:48:21] Voice 16: is what do we do how do we improve that so that we can still continue to enjoy it year after year

[2:48:30] Voice 16: I understand about the density I totally get that that that's what the way it is now and I

[2:48:37] Voice 16: understand why it's there to avoid situations like this with you know multiple cabins being

[2:48:43] Voice 16: built on the same lot but i think these were built at a time where there weren't a lot of

[2:48:51] Voice 16: buildings being built there and there weren't a lot of regulations there were no permits that

[2:48:57] Voice 16: were required and now here we are you know many years later with a cabin that's falling apart

[2:49:04] Voice 16: and we have to do something with it we have to um so that's why we're we're coming to you it's like

[2:49:14] Voice 16: we want to do it as environmentally friendly as possible. We want to upgrade the existing

[2:49:24] Voice 16: septic system that's there to service all cabins, hopefully, you know, for us to have

[2:49:29] Voice 16: the enjoyment of a septic system to use as well. And we want to do it within the boundaries that

[2:49:37] Voice 16: we're able to do it in, I guess is the best way to say.

[2:49:44] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Kim. Any

[2:49:46] Voice 16: more questions for

[2:49:47] Trustee Fast: the

[2:49:48] Trustee Fast: applicants? I had a

[2:49:53] Trustee Rogers: question that came to my mind and I'm trying to remember what it was as I was

[2:49:59] Trustee Rogers: listening to Kim.

[2:50:01] Trustee Fast: Okay, hang on. Trustee Stamford's got one and we'll come back to you. How about that?

[2:50:04] Trustee Fast: I think it's more of a

[2:50:05] Trustee Stamford: comment than a question. Now, looking at this from the terms of the West Bay community and this particular line of lots, when I look at this, the concern that I have is all the development so close to the foreshore.

[2:50:33] Trustee Stamford: um and then i look at the rest of the development that's that's happened and is happening um in

[2:50:42] Trustee Stamford: the deeper west bay i guess and there are giant houses going in and have gone in that are far

[2:50:54] Trustee Stamford: bigger in footprint than these three buildings combined um i think this this little lot is

[2:51:02] Trustee Stamford: is looking across at buildings.

[2:51:04] Trustee Stamford: They're on bigger pieces of property,

[2:51:06] Trustee Stamford: but some of those houses are upwards of 6,000 square feet.

[2:51:11] Trustee Stamford: And then there's similar properties being,

[2:51:13] Trustee Stamford: or buildings being built further out towards Gambier Harbor.

[2:51:21] Trustee Stamford: And there is a community member rather than a trustee.

[2:51:26] Trustee Stamford: I'm looking at the variety of community

[2:51:30] Trustee Stamford: community that is that is being created over over the years and that we are tending towards

[2:51:37] Trustee Stamford: quite well-heeled people that see these summer homes as almost they're ostentatious to be true

[2:51:47] Trustee Stamford: to be truthful and is there an opportunity to tighten a type of zoning down for this particular

[2:51:59] Trustee Stamford: lot that allows a different kind of development that acknowledges some of the long-term families

[2:52:10] Trustee Stamford: that live here. If this property was to be sold outright, I suspect very strongly just because

[2:52:19] Trustee Stamford: it is low bank that a great big home would show up on this fairly quickly and that it would be

[2:52:27] Trustee Stamford: further it'd be far greater than the uh the footprint of these three buildings together

[2:52:34] Trustee Stamford: um i don't want to encourage density in any way shape or form these are small lots all along here

[2:52:43] Trustee Stamford: uh i'm just thinking in terms of of a variety of community and the health of the community

[2:52:50] Trustee Stamford: how this can be accommodated so that's sort of where i'm leaning but i also feel that i

[2:52:57] Trustee Stamford: need a lot more information to know whether or not this we should go forward and i think that

[2:53:04] Trustee Stamford: the the proponents need to understand the type of expenses that might be incurred and as a local

[2:53:12] Trustee Stamford: trust committee i want to know how much this puts other projects aside and um you know what this

[2:53:20] Trustee Stamford: will take if we were to consider going forward with this so those are some of my thoughts on

[2:53:26] Trustee Stamford: on this I don't know how they relate to the recommendation I wanted to put the recommendation

[2:53:29] Trustee Stamford: down but it the recommendation is quite specific whereas I'm thinking of a more general

[2:53:37] Trustee Stamford: approach to this so those are just my thoughts and I have one final little question Kim

[2:53:42] Trustee Stamford: are you on hydro we are okay I just want to make sure I can see so okay thank

[2:53:50] Trustee Fast: you and Heather I

[2:53:52] Trustee Fast: I saw your hand up for a moment to

[2:53:56] Voice 12: kind of follow up on what trustee Stanford was, was talking

[2:53:59] Voice 12: about. You know, I, I, I maybe where you were going with it was density is measured in different

[2:54:09] Voice 12: ways. You know, it can be the number of units per hectares, but it could also be this, the total

[2:54:18] Voice 12: square footage. You know, if you have a building that is the same square footage as these three

[2:54:25] Voice 12: buildings, what is the impact of one versus the other? And also the impact of, you know,

[2:54:34] Voice 12: water usage and septic treatment on the site, you know, those, those are closer measures of impact

[2:54:44] Voice 12: than, than necessarily the number of units, it depends on how you're measuring density and

[2:54:51] Voice 12: impact and um and maybe those are some thoughts to around this as well thank

[2:54:58] Trustee Fast: you very much

[2:54:59] Trustee Fast: planning manager and uh trustee rogers okay

[2:55:05] Trustee Rogers: so i mean i mean i'll be frank i think

[2:55:09] Trustee Rogers: i have concerns about carving out an exception for one property um and uh this isn't a question

[2:55:18] Trustee Rogers: this is this is my statement i understand the concept of what we're we're starting to talk

[2:55:25] Trustee Rogers: about what is what's called distributive footprint um and and uh where instead of saying the maximum

[2:55:33] Trustee Rogers: square footage on a property for the house that you can only have one house and the maximum square

[2:55:37] Trustee Rogers: footage is 3500 square feet you might go you know what you can have three properties on there but

[2:55:43] Trustee Rogers: but they can only be 800 square foot each and three houses on the property.

[2:55:50] Trustee Rogers: And we're working on that for very different reasons on main Island.

[2:56:00] Trustee Rogers: And I know a couple of other islands are starting to look at it as well as,

[2:56:03] Trustee Rogers: as mostly in an effort to try and create affordable, smaller housing.

[2:56:09] Trustee Rogers: But I mean, you,

[2:56:11] Trustee Rogers: I guess you could make an argument that this would be a way to do it

[2:56:15] Trustee Rogers: in relation to generational usage of property

[2:56:24] Trustee Rogers: when it's recreational property.

[2:56:26] Trustee Rogers: But that's going to be a large community conversation on Main Island

[2:56:31] Trustee Rogers: that will end up, if we decide to do a rezoning,

[2:56:35] Trustee Rogers: will apply to any number of similar properties.

[2:56:41] Trustee Rogers: it's a very different thing in my mind to decide from a policy point of view that you're going to

[2:56:49] Trustee Rogers: allow this kind of multi-unit multi-building multi-home on a property but you know develop a

[2:57:00] Trustee Rogers: zone but it for a zone then rezone the properties accordingly or put new rules in

[2:57:09] Trustee Rogers: than it is to do it on a one-off i mean the issue here is the one that the applicants identify

[2:57:18] Trustee Rogers: it's 75 years since the building was was uh was built and it needs to be quote replaced

[2:57:25] Trustee Rogers: and guess what the rules have changed um and uh where and you know there's going to be

[2:57:33] Trustee Rogers: dozens of these kinds of things that occur over as the years go ahead and we find buildings that are

[2:57:41] Trustee Rogers: totally within the setback from the ocean or they're they're etc and they want to replace

[2:57:47] Trustee Rogers: them and we say yes or no to a variance or you can't have more density because the rules have

[2:57:53] Trustee Rogers: changed we have different different rules in relation to that and people aren't going to be

[2:58:00] Trustee Rogers: sometimes aren't going to be happy and trustee stanford will know that we turned down a

[2:58:05] Trustee Rogers: an application to put a a new building in a in a zero setback on keats because on a on a property

[2:58:13] Trustee Rogers: that had been there for let's say 40 50 years and it needed to be replaced and they wanted to

[2:58:21] Trustee Rogers: replace it in the same footprint and we said no um because you know what we now think that we now

[2:58:29] Trustee Rogers: have a policy that rules that buildings have to be, you know, 25 feet back from the shoreline

[2:58:40] Trustee Rogers: and we're not going to approve or bless an alteration to that just because you've been

[2:58:47] Trustee Rogers: there for X number of years, which is not, I'm not trying to sound unsympathetic to the

[2:58:52] Trustee Rogers: the Torgerson's, I totally understand what the issue is. And so I guess my question would be

[2:59:02] Trustee Rogers: for Trustee Stamford is, or for anybody on the committee, is do you see this as a project whereby

[2:59:10] Trustee Rogers: we sit down and decide whether distributive footprint is a good idea for properties on

[2:59:19] Trustee Rogers: on Gambier Island to allow for smaller developments.

[2:59:24] Trustee Rogers: And that sounds like a project

[2:59:26] Trustee Rogers: that's going to take some resources and community outreach.

[2:59:29] Trustee Rogers: This is going to take some community outreach anyway,

[2:59:32] Trustee Rogers: because it's going to be an OCP review

[2:59:34] Trustee Rogers: and a land use by-law review,

[2:59:36] Trustee Rogers: and we're going to have to have community input, et cetera.

[2:59:39] Trustee Rogers: And I don't quite understand why we would do that

[2:59:41] Trustee Rogers: on a one-off basis for one property,

[2:59:45] Trustee Rogers: if that makes any sense.

[2:59:49] Trustee Fast: Thank you, trustee Rogers. And just I want to note that we started this at this discussion at 102 and it's now 130 but go ahead, trustee Stanford.

[3:00:00] Trustee Stamford: um it it's a really good point like i i i really don't want to see this as a general zone that is

[3:00:09] Trustee Stamford: possible i i i'm thinking of well definitely one other property in the the southwest peninsula that

[3:00:18] Trustee Stamford: has this similar issue um and maybe one or two others where there's buildings present

[3:00:26] Trustee Stamford: present um that were built prior to the island's trust so um i i don't i think the difference is

[3:00:37] Trustee Stamford: is saying okay here's buildings that exist they have existed for many years um how do you make

[3:00:45] Trustee Stamford: that function work on that particular property versus is this something we want to do across

[3:00:50] Trustee Stamford: across the board. I don't have any interest in making this available on a wide area.

[3:01:03] I

[3:01:04] Trustee Stamford: think this is a very specific situation. My greater concern is making sure that it pulls

[3:01:10] Trustee Stamford: back off the shoreline because of some of the reasons we denied the application for the Keats

[3:01:17] Trustee Stamford: property um is that that is to me one of the bigger issues is is all the activity on on the

[3:01:26] Trustee Stamford: shoreline there all the builds um that's what i'd like to see um more work done and that there are

[3:01:36] Trustee Stamford: a few places where there's small buildings that have been built over the years like you know

[3:01:46] Trustee Stamford: know talking multi-generations where they are at that point and if the difference is that if they

[3:01:53] Trustee Stamford: sell those properties we know for sure because of the value of these waterfront low banks that we

[3:02:01] Trustee Stamford: will get some big big building go in that will fit all the setbacks and everything will be fine

[3:02:08] Trustee Stamford: but it it will actually just be one type of building and that changes the dynamics of the

[3:02:15] Trustee Stamford: community so i i'm just not comfortable with the way the recommendation is written i feel like i

[3:02:23] Trustee Stamford: need to know a lot more um and i i i want to know that the the proponents are understand what they're

[3:02:33] Trustee Stamford: getting into that's sort of more my issue and focusing on alternatives that pull development

[3:02:40] Trustee Stamford: away from from the um the shoreline so those are where my concerns are going only if this could be

[3:02:49] Trustee Stamford: done on a one-off basis but not as an opportunity for others to think that they can then build

[3:02:55] Trustee Stamford: multiple dwellings on properties like this that's

[3:03:02] Trustee Fast: always the challenge yeah

[3:03:03] Trustee Fast: let's have Kim go ahead I just don't need to get moving soon but I know I'm

[3:03:08] Voice 16: sorry I just

[3:03:08] Trustee Fast: know the

[3:03:10] Voice 16: setback and I think Susan if she's still here I can't

[3:03:19] Voice 16: see her but uh i i think we had measured and we are within the um uh the 15 meters or whatever it

[3:03:29] Voice 16: is the the setback from the high tide line um i think we just meet that the way it is and that's

[3:03:37] Voice 16: why our plan did not include any expansion out towards the water because we are respectful and

[3:03:46] Voice 16: and trying to stay within all of the guidelines

[3:03:49] Voice 16: of the setbacks and the property lines.

[3:03:53] Voice 16: So yeah, I think that was the main thing

[3:03:57] Voice 16: that I wanted to say.

[3:03:58] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[3:04:00] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Kim.

[3:04:01] Trustee Fast: And if people, oh, Trustee Rogers.

[3:04:04] Trustee Rogers: Well, I think we need to decide what we're going to do.

[3:04:07] Trustee Rogers: I mean, we can simply defer

[3:04:08] Trustee Rogers: and come back and talk about this in April.

[3:04:10] Trustee Rogers: We could approve the motions put forward by the trustee.

[3:04:13] Trustee Rogers: we can deny it which frankly you know there's part of me that that but i i'm listening to

[3:04:22] Trustee Rogers: trustee stamford and which is which is a good thing

[3:04:27] Voice 18: unusual but

[3:04:29] Trustee Rogers: i'd like to know what it's

[3:04:31] Trustee Rogers: not unusual i listen to you all the time like that uh and i hear the concerns and i think there

[3:04:38] Trustee Rogers: are ways to you know i think there's a bigger policy discussion we're going to have around

[3:04:42] Trustee Rogers: your OCP about you know how we deal with these monster homes etc etc and it's not it's not an

[3:04:49] Trustee Rogers: unknown problem in the islands trust area it happens everywhere it's happening on keys for sure

[3:04:55] Trustee Rogers: anyway my question is what further information do you want because one of the alternatives is

[3:05:01] Trustee Rogers: to ask for further information without making a specific decision and and I mean part of me

[3:05:08] Trustee Rogers: is wanting the applicant to go away

[3:05:12] Trustee Rogers: and have the planners interpret what we've said

[3:05:16] Trustee Rogers: so that they have a very clear understanding

[3:05:19] Trustee Rogers: of what it is they're facing in terms of doing this

[3:05:23] Trustee Rogers: as opposed to the option laid out by the planner

[3:05:27] Trustee Rogers: regarding the work that could be done

[3:05:30] Trustee Rogers: to a legal non-conforming building.

[3:05:38] Trustee Rogers: I assume, Ms. Dorgeson, you saw that part of the report

[3:05:42] Trustee Rogers: where they talk about the section

[3:05:44] Trustee Rogers: of the Local Government Act that says,

[3:05:45] Trustee Rogers: if it's legal non-conforming,

[3:05:47] Trustee Rogers: there's certain things you can do.

[3:05:50] Trustee Rogers: And

[3:05:50] Voice 16: are we not legally non-conforming?

[3:05:53] Trustee Rogers: Well, I can't answer that question.

[3:05:55] Voice 16: That's

[3:05:56] Trustee Rogers: what we're talking about.

[3:05:57] Trustee Rogers: I mean, there's a test for whether you are,

[3:06:00] Trustee Rogers: but let's assume for a moment

[3:06:01] Trustee Rogers: you are legally non-conforming.

[3:06:03] Trustee Rogers: performing and the staff report sets out in um actually it sets it out in um in the report and

[3:06:12] Trustee Rogers: then in the alternative if we deny you could go and see whether or not the sections of the local

[3:06:18] Trustee Rogers: government act would apply to the existing dwellings to allow you to do certain repairs

[3:06:23] Trustee Rogers: um but legally non-performing ends as the plan the regional planning manager says as soon as

[3:06:29] Trustee Rogers: you tear the building right well we're not

[3:06:32] Trustee Fast: doing that well

[3:06:34] Trustee Rogers: that's your that's your application is

[3:06:36] Trustee Rogers: to is to remove the building well

[3:06:39] Voice 16: yes but we wouldn't do that until we have the permit but

[3:06:43] Trustee Rogers: that's but that's what your application is so yes um

[3:06:46] Trustee Rogers: and and so you know i i part of me wants to do

[3:06:51] Trustee Rogers: that but i'm hearing trustee stamford and i was trying to draft a a motion to ask for further

[3:06:56] Trustee Rogers: the information but I don't know exactly what Trustee Stamford would like so that's why I'm

[3:07:01] Trustee Rogers: asking you Trustee Stamford.

[3:07:03] Trustee Fast: I'm gonna I'm gonna ask the group um I'm just uh wondering whether

[3:07:09] Trustee Fast: the applicants uh have a role in the discussion that we're about to have whether you would want

[3:07:16] Trustee Fast: them to be with us in this part of the meeting or whether they would like to slip back into the

[3:07:20] Trustee Fast: the background? Or how would you see this playing out? Trustee Stanford?

[3:07:25] Trustee Stamford: I think I'm ready to work

[3:07:28] Trustee Stamford: with Trustee Rogers and let the applicants step back and try and work out something from there,

[3:07:39] Trustee Stamford: if that's okay.

[3:07:40] Trustee Fast: Thank you. Because I really

[3:07:42] Trustee Fast: appreciate the time you've, you know, sat here

[3:07:45] Trustee Fast: you're with us in this discussion and thank you very much and if you I think Will is probably

[3:07:53] Trustee Fast: going to turn you back into attendees the way you came in there we go okay and there goes Kim

[3:08:02] Trustee Fast: back to the attendees and there goes Susan so

[3:08:08] Trustee Rogers: the suggested motion is that they request the

[3:08:14] Trustee Rogers: the applicants for GMRZ 2020 submit to the Allens Trust the following and then you ask for the

[3:08:20] Trustee Rogers: certain information I think you could also ask the planners for further information but I'm not sure

[3:08:27] Trustee Rogers: I think the RPM has told you know we know the legal situation but what is it if you're ready

[3:08:34] Trustee Rogers: to work about this I mean I mean I think I'm I I'm still I'm not being skeptical but I will say

[3:08:42] Trustee Rogers: i have concerns that there are lots of stopping points here that this may not work um but uh

[3:08:50] Trustee Rogers: because i i i think i have the complete opposite sort of concern that you do trustee stanford which

[3:08:57] Trustee Rogers: is you're interested in doing a one-off as opposed to the community and i have strong concerns about

[3:09:04] Trustee Rogers: making special arrangements for one piece of property so but i'm willing to let you talk me

[3:09:10] Trustee Rogers: in try and talk me into that and

[3:09:13] Trustee Fast: i'll just i'm just going to chime in here to say i agree with

[3:09:16] Trustee Fast: trustee rogers partly because of efficiency for our the work that we ask staff to do and the

[3:09:24] Trustee Fast: fairness across the whole island and uh um uh and partly um well i forget what the i think i just

[3:09:33] Trustee Fast: said the both okay but anyway that's that's my point so convincing having

[3:09:39] Trustee Rogers: said that i'm quite

[3:09:41] Trustee Rogers: quite prepared to sort of have trustee Stanford seek out further information

[3:09:45] Trustee Rogers: that might elucidate what the issue is that we can,

[3:09:49] Trustee Rogers: we can try and work with. So off you go.

[3:09:52] Trustee Stamford: Yeah.

[3:09:54] Trustee Stamford: Well, I'm, I'm really on the fence. Like I, you know,

[3:09:58] Trustee Stamford: that the only rationale I can see for this is that it is only a one-off

[3:10:03] Trustee Stamford: that, that this is not considered a standard across,

[3:10:08] Trustee Stamford: especially this part of gambier island or settlement residential as a whole i mean we're

[3:10:14] Trustee Stamford: already having concerns in that direction around how everything's laid out with two buildings at

[3:10:21] Trustee Stamford: one acre um the only reason i'm considering this is because those buildings already exist

[3:10:27] Trustee Stamford: exist um there's not many of these um family situations like this around uh on the smaller

[3:10:38] Trustee Stamford: properties and um a concern about how this um policy has created these these vanity houses

[3:10:49] Trustee Stamford: basically they're you know they're they're beautiful but it's a certain it's developing

[3:10:54] Trustee Stamford: a certain kind of community that maybe needs to consider the continuation of the historical

[3:11:03] Trustee Stamford: families. So that's the only reasons I'm looking at this. But if it's, if it does then open the door

[3:11:11] Trustee Stamford: to the density changing across settlement residential as a zone, I'm not interested

[3:11:21] Trustee Stamford: at all and I won't I couldn't do so I don't know

[3:11:24] Trustee Stamford: what kind of information I need to to make that

[3:11:27] Trustee Stamford: decision um but I with that kind of interpretation in mind I'm hoping that um we can defer the

[3:11:36] Trustee Stamford: decision and that staff are prepared to spend a bit of time looking at it from that point of view

[3:11:44] Trustee Stamford: and that um um how we could i just if yeah i'm only looking at it one off for sure okay so let

[3:11:54] Trustee Rogers: me just say this okay so let's look at it from a i'll call it a settler heritage point of view and

[3:12:00] Trustee Rogers: you know that cult you know heritage point of view is of the settlers and we hear this a lot

[3:12:06] Trustee Rogers: you know this has been my family home i've gone up there since i was quote you know two years old

[3:12:11] Trustee Rogers: and i'm i'm now 70 and and uh you know that's been part and it's true it's all valid i understand it

[3:12:19] Trustee Rogers: all um and i you know i want it to be exactly but i guess my question is okay i hear you on the

[3:12:24] Trustee Rogers: maybe move it back behind the other two cabins i think that's a that's a net benefit to the truck

[3:12:31] Trustee Rogers: and and if we're going to do a special increased density there should be some benefits for the

[3:12:39] Trustee Rogers: the trust yeah

[3:12:40] Voice 9: um

[3:12:41] Trustee Rogers: and is it a conservation covenant on the rest of the property um is it

[3:12:47] Trustee Rogers: something like that where we know that this particular piece of property will not be developed

[3:12:51] Trustee Rogers: any further that etc etc it'll all

[3:12:55] Trustee Rogers: be moved back behind uh well back from the the the the property

[3:13:01] Trustee Rogers: the um the dock will be legalized the decks that are there that are currently probably

[3:13:07] Trustee Rogers: probably structures within the setback are removed and all

[3:13:11] Trustee Stamford: of those net

[3:13:13] Trustee Rogers: benefits might, you know, it's sort of like a density transfer.

[3:13:18] Trustee Rogers: What's in it for the, you know, why would we do this?

[3:13:20] Trustee Rogers: How would we advance the preserve and protect mandate by just simply

[3:13:23] Trustee Rogers: allowing a third residence to be legalized? And I don't think I,

[3:13:27] Trustee Rogers: I'm not there at all. So, but if I,

[3:13:30] Trustee Rogers: if there was some net benefits here for the trust, then I,

[3:13:35] Trustee Rogers: I might be convinced that we could do a one-off

[3:13:39] Trustee Rogers: in this particular situation

[3:13:40] Trustee Rogers: because I understand the historical content.

[3:13:45] Trustee Fast: I'm going to chime in here too,

[3:13:48] Trustee Fast: just to say, I think it's possible

[3:13:50] Trustee Fast: we could do a lot of good work with these fine people

[3:13:53] Trustee Fast: and find a solution,

[3:13:57] Trustee Fast: but it would still be a one-off for one place

[3:14:00] Trustee Fast: until the next application.

[3:14:03] Trustee Rogers: What if the next effort-

[3:14:04] Trustee Fast: them all yeah do we don't want to do them all one at a time or is it better to take our staff time

[3:14:11] Trustee Fast: and put it towards something uh island wide uh that fits with the new official community plan or

[3:14:19] Trustee Fast: the um old official community plan whatever the the i mean the plan the rules haven't changed

[3:14:25] Trustee Fast: for no reason right the the rules are there uh and they came through community consultation

[3:14:32] Trustee Fast: consultation and um i i just uh i just think it would

[3:14:39] Trustee Fast: be a one-off until the next um next

[3:14:41] Trustee Fast: the next

[3:14:42] Trustee Fast: guy

[3:14:43] Trustee Rogers: might have four cabins on his property and next person um yeah

[3:14:48] Trustee Stamford: you know this

[3:14:49] Trustee Stamford: is i i don't think i'd be able to um change your mind on that i mean all i can speak to is is that

[3:14:56] Trustee Stamford: community and the southwest peninsula where the smaller lots are um the old lots are and um

[3:15:06] Trustee Stamford: i can think of a couple that are just sitting there uh definitely non-conforming um and are

[3:15:15] Trustee Stamford: are just going to do their own thing without um without going through the the permit process

[3:15:21] Trustee Stamford: there's not a lot that I know of so it's perfectly valid and I don't think I can change your mind on

[3:15:28] Trustee Stamford: that nor do I want to so

[3:15:31] Trustee Rogers: can I ask the RPM a moment I know that's not your staff report

[3:15:35] Trustee Rogers: but I'm going to ask you two questions one is other than the usual saying no one should take

[3:15:48] Trustee Rogers: this as a change in policy is there a way to do a sort of a cd uh the comprehensive development

[3:15:55] Trustee Rogers: zone process uh without notionally making it a precedent for other people to look at and say

[3:16:03] Trustee Rogers: well if you did it for them why can't you do it for us um do you know of any reason like that

[3:16:10] Trustee Rogers: any way to do that besides just saying it's not a precedent no okay i didn't think so i mean that

[3:16:19] Voice 12: Yeah, as I said, if you have a comprehensive development zone, it's easier to argue that

[3:16:28] Voice 12: that is an individual zone because you're custom designing it for this property.

[3:16:32] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so my second

[3:16:33] Trustee Rogers: question is, and this is a real question, it's not a setup question.

[3:16:43] Trustee Rogers: I want to know the answer.

[3:16:44] Trustee Rogers: Is it possible for us to say to the staff, we want to defer this and we want staff to

[3:16:50] Trustee Rogers: to go away and talk to the applicant

[3:16:54] Trustee Rogers: about what kind of net benefit can they provide

[3:16:57] Trustee Rogers: to the local trust committee and the Islands Trust

[3:17:00] Trustee Rogers: in pursuing this application?

[3:17:03] Trustee Rogers: I mean, or have we crossed the line

[3:17:06] Trustee Rogers: into negotiating with them about their application at that?

[3:17:11] Voice 12: I think that we can have that conversation, sure.

[3:17:15] Voice 12: Yeah, we can have the conversation.

[3:17:17] Voice 12: I just, the one piece we haven't talked about

[3:17:21] Voice 12: is the fact that the further this goes down the road and then the more we process it and work on

[3:17:28] Voice 12: it, the, you know, there's at this point, the applicant is, can get some of their money back

[3:17:35] Voice 12: from this application if we stop processing it. But the further, the more we process it,

[3:17:41] Voice 12: the less money can be returned to them if it gets stopped. So

[3:17:45] Trustee Rogers: I, that was, that was actually

[3:17:46] Trustee Rogers: one of my questions yeah the

[3:17:48] Trustee Rogers: other third question is are you starting to get a headache about the

[3:17:53] Trustee Rogers: amount of staff time that's good that might be end up being devoted to this application

[3:18:00] Voice 12: you know because it's an application we have to process it no matter what right right

[3:18:06] Voice 12: and so um

[3:18:09] Voice 12: and and the easier it is the less time it will take you know they're less less exploration there

[3:18:15] Voice 12: is the less time it will take but if that's what you need to process it that's what we've got to do

[3:18:21] Voice 12: you know um it it will impact our ability to work on other projects sure

[3:18:28] Voice 12: well

[3:18:28] Trustee Rogers: trustee sanford if we have i made a motion to ask them to go back to the applicant and ask

[3:18:33] Trustee Rogers: what kind of net benefit they could provide to the trust which would give us some kind of a

[3:18:38] Trustee Rogers: at least a context of why we would because i i am having trouble getting over that first hurdle

[3:18:45] Trustee Rogers: as to why we would consider this.

[3:18:47] Trustee Rogers: But if there was something there,

[3:18:49] Trustee Rogers: would you be supportive of that?

[3:18:50] Trustee Rogers: And I guess the chair as well,

[3:18:52] Trustee Rogers: would you be supportive of at least asking that question?

[3:18:55] Trustee Stamford: Yeah, very much so from my point of view.

[3:18:59] Trustee Stamford: I don't want a huge amount of not only staff time,

[3:19:03] Trustee Stamford: but also the proponent having to go down a path

[3:19:07] Trustee Stamford: that may get stopped at any point.

[3:19:10] Trustee Rogers: So let me try and draft the motion here on the fly

[3:19:14] Trustee Rogers: I and I'll go slowly Diane, so that you can try and does Diane have control over the screen.

[3:19:21] Trustee Rogers: I don't know if she does, because I'd like so

[3:19:23] Trustee Rogers: I'd like to, I'd like to see it up on the

[3:19:27] Trustee Rogers: Oh, there she is, you have, do you have the ability to put the motion up onto the screen.

[3:19:34] Voice 8: I haven't done that before.

[3:19:36] Trustee Rogers: Okay, I

[3:19:37] Voice 8: need to put it into the chat.

[3:19:38] Voice 8: So

[3:19:40] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to move that the Gambier Local Trust Committee defer a decision on, I've lost the application, GMRZ 2020.1,

[3:19:57] Trustee Rogers: and request staff to explore with the applicant what net benefits regarding ecosystem protection

[3:20:14] Trustee Rogers: could be provided in the application specifically related to setbacks from the sea

[3:20:31] Trustee Rogers: and ecosystem protection that's

[3:20:45] Trustee Fast: it i think he stopped so if you if you captured it good for you

[3:20:50] Trustee Fast: did you

[3:20:51] Trustee Fast: get that i'll

[3:20:53] Voice 8: put it in the chat there

[3:20:59] Trustee Fast: it is we're looking for those watching

[3:21:05] Trustee Fast: and can't see the chat we're looking at the um uh typed up motion in the chat and maybe

[3:21:16] Trustee Rogers: Maybe take out the first regarding ecosystem protection

[3:21:21] Trustee Rogers: because it's there further down.

[3:21:25] Trustee Rogers: And I'll make some, thanks, Diane,

[3:21:28] Trustee Rogers: if you could take out the first time it says

[3:21:30] Trustee Rogers: regarding ecosystem protection.

[3:21:32] Voice 8: Okay.

[3:21:36] Trustee Rogers: So I'll just, before I make that motion,

[3:21:39] Trustee Rogers: like I always like to turn to the RPM

[3:21:40] Trustee Rogers: to make sure she's comfortable with that motion

[3:21:43] Trustee Rogers: and in terms of both staff and jurisdiction

[3:21:46] Trustee Rogers: and my internet

[3:21:51] Voice 12: went down for a second so if you could read it again that would be helpful

[3:21:54] Voice 12: sure

[3:21:54] Trustee Rogers: it says that the gambia local trust can be deferred decision on the blah blah and request

[3:22:00] Trustee Rogers: staff to explore with the applicant uh what protection could be provided in the in the

[3:22:06] Trustee Rogers: application actually it's going to have to say what what ecosystem protection could be

[3:22:12] Trustee Rogers: write it in the application specifically related related to setbacks from the sea and i've got

[3:22:19] Trustee Rogers: ecosystem protection again i mean i'm thinking of a like a like a covenant or something like that

[3:22:26] Trustee Rogers: um and

[3:22:28] Trustee Fast: when you first said it you said um applicant what net benefits regarding ecosystem

[3:22:33] Trustee Fast: protection you're still thinking

[3:22:35] Trustee Fast: of the word net benefits as well yeah

[3:22:38] Trustee Rogers: no what yeah what net

[3:22:39] Trustee Rogers: net benefits could be provided in the application specifically related to setbacks from the sea

[3:22:45] Trustee Rogers: and ecosystem protection.

[3:22:47] Trustee Stamford: I think it's fine to duplicate it here just in terms of getting

[3:22:52] Trustee Stamford: through this.

[3:22:53] Trustee Rogers: Okay so I just want to make sure that the RPM is comfortable with that.

[3:23:00] Trustee Fast: I see you're nodding. Do you have anything you want to comment on Heather?

[3:23:07] Trustee Fast: all right I second oh I see the move motion has been moved and seconded now at more discussion

[3:23:16] Trustee Fast: no okay thank you then I'll call the question all those in favor one two and my hand goes up

[3:23:24] Trustee Fast: two that makes three that passes unanimously thank you very much everybody and thank you

[3:23:28] Trustee Fast: uh applicants and um we're gonna have to move on with our meeting very good okay so now we're on

[3:23:38] Trustee Fast: to um how is everybody doing do people need a break no i'm fine

[3:23:43] Trustee Fast: okay it's just kate wheeze's

[3:23:45] Trustee Fast: head went disappeared uh 11.1 um keats shoreline protection project and here's planner debena

[3:23:52] Trustee Fast: Hello, Jamie. And we're on page, for those following, page 47. And please take it away, Planner Dabinia.

[3:24:04] Voice 10: Thank you, Chair. So this staff report presents draft bylaw language that would establish a shoreline development permit area, or DPA,

[3:24:15] Voice 10: and amend marine structure regulations in the Keats Island Land Use Bylaw as part of the Keats Island Shoreline Protection Project.

[3:24:22] Voice 10: The LCC is asked to consider the draft by-law language and provide direction to staff on proceeding.

[3:24:29] Voice 10: Real briefly, the topics of discussion in the staff report include a summary of the basic structure for establishing a development permit area,

[3:24:37] Voice 10: options for the area of application, which include options upland of the natural boundary and options seaward from the natural boundary,

[3:24:48] Voice 10: exploring whether a development permit area could restrict the proliferation of development in the

[3:24:53] Voice 10: marine area potential amendments to marine structure regulations applicability of the

[3:25:00] Voice 10: permit area to permitted structures in the setback from the natural boundary of the sea

[3:25:04] Voice 10: rezoning the private log dump m4 zone location on keats and staff have identified the need for a

[3:25:12] Voice 10: DAI bylaw which currently the Keats official community plan already does identify an area

[3:25:18] Voice 10: where a DAI or development approval information bylaw applies however there's no existing DAI

[3:25:26] Voice 10: bylaw for Keats or for the Gambier local trust care area not committee area so those are some

[3:25:33] Voice 10: of the discussion points in the staff report and the draft bylaw language is quite lengthy so I'm

[3:25:39] Voice 10: going to walk through it but I'd rather just take questions or discussion and staff identified next

[3:25:47] Voice 10: steps which potentially could include presenting draft bylaws to local trust committee and early

[3:25:53] Voice 10: referrals of draft bylaws to first nations and staff are recommending the local trust committee

[3:26:00] Voice 10: direct staff to prepare a draft bylaw to amend both the OCP and the land use bylaw consistent

[3:26:05] Voice 10: consistent with the draft by law language

[3:26:07] Voice 10: in detachment two and three.

[3:26:09] Voice 10: And I will stop there and take questions.

[3:26:12] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you Planner Dubena and Trustee Rogers.

[3:26:18] Trustee Rogers: Thank you for this Planner Dubena.

[3:26:21] Trustee Rogers: This is excellent work, very thorough.

[3:26:26] Trustee Rogers: I have a number of questions and a couple of comments

[3:26:29] Trustee Rogers: and I flagged for you before,

[3:26:31] Trustee Rogers: I wondered if you could put up the zoning map for Keats area.

[3:26:47] Voice 10: You see it? I made it yellow, the zones you were speaking about.

[3:26:53] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so one of my first questions is, if we proceeded with this development permit area,

[3:27:01] Trustee Rogers: how does that apply to marine conservation?

[3:27:04] Trustee Rogers: there

[3:27:04] Voice 10: right that

[3:27:07] Voice 10: was my first question yeah so the mc zone um hopefully let me just pull up my

[3:27:15] Voice 10: notes here because i anticipated your question uh so mc is marine conservation zone conservation

[3:27:23] Voice 10: that's right yeah so you can see it's like the areas um around keats are identified in yellow

[3:27:29] Voice 10: I tried to help it make it easier to see. So that zone doesn't permit much in the marine areas.

[3:27:37] Voice 10: Obviously no permanent buildings or structures of any kind other than a navigational aid. So

[3:27:45] Voice 10: yes those areas could be removed from a potential development permit area because

[3:27:51] Voice 10: they really don't allow anything at this time aside from the navigational aid. So

[3:27:58] Voice 10: So I hope that

[3:28:00] Trustee Rogers: answers your question.

[3:28:01] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[3:28:02] Trustee Rogers: So the answer is that where there is a marine conservation zone,

[3:28:07] Trustee Rogers: and there are six of them on Keats that I can see,

[3:28:12] Voice 9: the

[3:28:12] Trustee Rogers: big one down the south end, Hard to Come By Cove, Pebble Beach,

[3:28:17] Trustee Rogers: Andes Beach, and then Laurel Beach and Maple Beach,

[3:28:23] Trustee Rogers: that they would not, you wouldn't need to have any of the development permit areas in those areas

[3:28:32] Trustee Rogers: because they're already prohibited from having structures in those areas.

[3:28:36] Voice 10: That's right. Yeah.

[3:28:37] Trustee Rogers: Okay. So my second question then is, tell me how the upland DP would apply to structures

[3:28:48] Trustee Rogers: that are permitted in the setback from the sea.

[3:28:52] Trustee Rogers: So let me give you an example. Joe Smith has a waterfront property and wants to put a set of stairs down to the natural boundary of the sea, and that's currently allowed under the zoning.

[3:29:12] Trustee Rogers: that's that's something that's allowed uh for down there would they be under your proposal

[3:29:19] Trustee Rogers: would they be required to get a development permit in order to put that set of stairs in

[3:29:24] Trustee Rogers: that's

[3:29:26] Voice 10: how staff have presented it that's right so um those activities those those permitted

[3:29:31] Voice 10: structures are permitted in the setback from natural boundary but they would still be um they

[3:29:36] Voice 10: would still be required to apply for a development permit for clearing land potentially um you know

[3:29:42] Voice 10: removing trees and impacting like erosions slope stability that sort of thing okay

[3:29:50] Trustee Rogers: well i may have

[3:29:51] Trustee Rogers: to think about that because um you know minor intrusions that have been contemplated like i

[3:29:58] Trustee Rogers: i have no clue

[3:30:00] Trustee Rogers: we allow boathouses because there are no boathouses and nobody has boathouses and

[3:30:07] Trustee Rogers: nobody really has, there may be somebody that I don't know of that has pump houses in the setback

[3:30:14] Trustee Rogers: any longer. So there may be some things we can take off that list but I think we need to

[3:30:20] Trustee Rogers: contemplate the types of accesses in the in the setback that are that would normally be permitted

[3:30:31] Trustee Rogers: that don't require a development permit because they're relatively minor

[3:30:36] Trustee Rogers: intrusions into the area so I think we have to be careful about that that's not really my concern

[3:30:43] Trustee Rogers: My third question is, how much of your, of our development permit requirements, for example, the draft documents related to docs, for example, simply mirrors what the province already requires?

[3:31:05] Voice 10: Yeah, through the chair. So some does follow along with the provincial regulations. Some of the regulations, or sorry, the proposed guidelines come from the Green Shores, the BC Stewardship, I just lost their name, but it's come from them as well.

[3:31:25] Voice 10: also and um as yeah thank you and um as well she shall first nation has best practices for docs

[3:31:33] Voice 10: document that is also um helpful and is similar to the provincial regulations okay

[3:31:41] Trustee Rogers: um i'm sorry i

[3:31:44] Trustee Rogers: don't mean to dominate this but i have another i wanted to this is more of a comment than a

[3:31:49] Trustee Rogers: question you did ask whether there were areas where there might be might be appropriate to put

[3:31:55] Trustee Rogers: a hazardous slope uh landward dp dpa uh in and there are at least two and i'm not sure how we

[3:32:05] Trustee Rogers: go about determining and establishing that but i can tell you there are that i know of at least

[3:32:11] Trustee Rogers: two areas um one of them is uh this is why i should partly you see if we look at the map

[3:32:22] Trustee Rogers: the little tiny marine conservation zone that is in the bottom, sort of right below, right beside

[3:32:33] Trustee Rogers: Eastbourne, the little tiny one. I'm pointing it sort of on the right-hand quadrant at the bottom

[3:32:39] Trustee Rogers: of Keats. There's a little one.

[3:32:41] Trustee Fast: Can you see Jamie's cursor? There's a cursor there. Is it?

[3:32:46] Trustee Fast: that one see that one yeah okay

[3:32:48] Trustee Rogers: so next door to that that beach that's called andy's beach

[3:32:54] Trustee Rogers: um is silver creek which has a development that has a dpa it has a ecosystem dpa around it

[3:33:01] Trustee Rogers: there is a bank above it that has collapsed once in the last 10 or 12 years and in fact

[3:33:08] Trustee Rogers: there may be some geotech requirements from the SCRD and I wouldn't

[3:33:16] Trustee Rogers: mind knowing what those are because that would be one place you

[3:33:21] Trustee Rogers: might want to consider putting a DP in. The other place is all of those long

[3:33:29] Trustee Rogers: skinny lots along the north edge of great yeah those ones

[3:33:33] Voice 9: um

[3:33:34] Trustee Rogers: i have seen maps from uh a long

[3:33:38] Trustee Rogers: time ago that showed some sort of a government reserve or some sort of an area along there um

[3:33:46] Trustee Rogers: and previous planner i asked her if she could find those maps no one's been able to determine

[3:33:52] Trustee Rogers: and it doesn't show up on any of our trust.

[3:33:56] Trustee Rogers: But that is very high bank and not rock.

[3:34:01] Trustee Rogers: It's high bank soil.

[3:34:03] Trustee Rogers: And it would be an area where I would like to see considered

[3:34:08] Trustee Rogers: some sort of a hazardous DPA area

[3:34:12] Trustee Rogers: because it is, I think,

[3:34:15] Trustee Rogers: rife for the kind of bank collapse that could occur.

[3:34:20] Trustee Rogers: and there should really be nothing on that in that area um up until you get up to the flat area on

[3:34:27] Trustee Rogers: the top of the bank there's there's there isn't any there's any buildings but there's lots of

[3:34:32] Trustee Rogers: stairs and structures going down those banks right now um so those would be the two areas

[3:34:38] Trustee Rogers: and i don't know but i don't know how to go about getting the appropriate scientific information to

[3:34:43] Trustee Rogers: to justify establishing those kinds of hazardous DPA.

[3:34:49] Trustee Rogers: So that's a question I have for you.

[3:34:53] Voice 10: Well, yeah, so I was unaware of the steep part

[3:35:00] Voice 10: of Andy's beach there, but I do know that the area

[3:35:03] Voice 10: to the north is steep, you know,

[3:35:06] Voice 10: having seen it from the boat,

[3:35:09] Voice 10: the area that you're speaking about that there's a buffer

[3:35:13] Voice 10: that shows up in an old zoning map but um it's also in a subdivision um plan that i have a copy

[3:35:21] Voice 10: of in the office unfortunately i'm working from home but um i do have a copy and it it's returned

[3:35:28] Voice 10: to crown but um there's you know we've had several staff have had several conversations

[3:35:32] Voice 10: with the province about that area and whether it would you know continue to be you know crown land

[3:35:39] Voice 10: or or not so um that's something that staff could look and do further um as for a geotechnic report

[3:35:47] Voice 10: or scientific report um you know there's the cost with that unless there's already existing

[3:35:52] Voice 10: um report that's been done then you know staff can go through that and identify that area um

[3:36:01] Voice 10: but yeah i'm not sure if there is at this time i'm

[3:36:05] Trustee Fast: gonna jump in here just to uh to say we've

[3:36:08] Trustee Fast: got that new lidar data which is the heights and depths I guess, whatever you want to call it

[3:36:19] Trustee Fast: anyway, the laser data that's sort of accurate eight points within a meter square I think.

[3:36:26] Trustee Fast: Does that cover Keats Island, do you know? Because on Bowen we've had several discussions over the

[3:36:33] Trustee Fast: the years about hazardous uh uh development permit areas for hazardous slopes and it seems to be

[3:36:39] Trustee Fast: what they our planners have been doing is using um a slope if there's a slope between a certain

[3:36:46] Trustee Fast: uh steepness then then that's partly what gets counted uh

[3:36:54] Voice 10: that was a question for for staff

[3:36:58] Trustee Fast: Yeah, just do we have LIDAR for kids?

[3:37:02] Voice 10: Well, we have contour mapping.

[3:37:03] Voice 10: I don't know if we have access to LIDAR, but that's, you know,

[3:37:07] Voice 10: it's certainly something that you can look into.

[3:37:09] Voice 10: Okay.

[3:37:11] Voice 10: Thank you.

[3:37:12] Trustee Rogers: And sorry, and I just have one more comment.

[3:37:15] Trustee Rogers: Go ahead.

[3:37:17] Trustee Rogers: The M4, I inquired about it because one of the reasons I asked,

[3:37:26] Trustee Rogers: well what could we take it away because it's not being used i haven't seen it being used

[3:37:30] Trustee Rogers: but when i inquired from the um it's not really the property owner it's well it is it isn't uh

[3:37:37] Trustee Rogers: when i inquired with people who have control of that property they said it is still being used

[3:37:41] Trustee Rogers: um from time to time because there isn't there's a that's part of that property is owned by

[3:37:48] Trustee Rogers: the fellow who owns the same people who own the two big lots that are in the center of the island

[3:37:53] Trustee Rogers: and one of those is in a pmfl and apparently that's they're still utilizing they're logging

[3:38:02] Trustee Rogers: off so i i lost

[3:38:04] Trustee Fast: your last sentence there sorry

[3:38:06] Trustee Rogers: i just said they're apparently still using it from

[3:38:08] Trustee Rogers: time to time um so i'm not inclined to try and um although as you say the the the license is up in

[3:38:18] Trustee Rogers: in 2024, but I'm not inclined to try and rezone that away

[3:38:25] Trustee Rogers: as long as it's being used in the service of PMFL.

[3:38:29] Trustee Rogers: Because the alternative is they have to truck the logs off

[3:38:32] Trustee Rogers: and that's probably more problematic.

[3:38:37] Trustee Rogers: So anyway.

[3:38:39] Trustee Fast: Okay, thank you very much.

[3:38:42] Trustee Fast: Trustee Stamford, do you have questions for the planner?

[3:38:44] Trustee Fast: Comment?

[3:38:45] Trustee Fast: Most

[3:38:48] Trustee Stamford: of my questions have been answered but I'm sorry I have to switch back and forth on my screen

[3:38:53] Trustee Stamford: here but on page 53 of the package there's a comment it is likely outside the LT's jurisdiction

[3:39:05] Trustee Stamford: to limit the number of mooring buoys in an area or to regulate the type of mooring buoys used

[3:39:11] Trustee Stamford: However, staff advise that the LTC may want to have staff look into this further.

[3:39:16] Trustee Stamford: So if we don't have jurisdiction, in what way do you want us to, do you think we can look into it further?

[3:39:29] Voice 10: So, you know, staff's understanding is that mooring buoys are regulated, you know, federally and then provincially for their commercial or industrial.

[3:39:38] Voice 10: um but the the land use bylaw the local government can regulate um you know the structures which

[3:39:45] Voice 10: the keats bylaw does um but try regulating the density of mooring buoys in the marine area is

[3:39:54] Voice 10: complicated because um you know there's temporary moored mooring buoys there's you know ones that

[3:40:02] Voice 10: have been placed there and nobody is connected to them um enforcement would have a difficult time

[3:40:07] Voice 10: getting out there um so you know this this is something that needs more basic looking into

[3:40:15] Voice 10: yeah for sure so okay

[3:40:19] Trustee Stamford: i just wasn't sure what aspect you were looking at okay that's all i had

[3:40:23] Trustee Stamford: okay

[3:40:24] Trustee Fast: thank you trustee stanford trustee rogers well

[3:40:26] Trustee Rogers: my my question is is i i mean i'm not

[3:40:30] Trustee Rogers: suggesting we do it i'm just saying i remember i'm thinking of that scenario on gambier where

[3:40:36] Trustee Rogers: where there is a bylaw that says you can have a mooring boy

[3:40:40] Trustee Rogers: to serve as an upland property owner.

[3:40:43] Trustee Rogers: So there have been some attempts to regulate mooring boys.

[3:40:52] Trustee Rogers: 90, not 90, at least on the Eastbourne side of the island,

[3:40:58] Trustee Rogers: all of the mooring boys are off the beaches.

[3:41:02] Trustee Rogers: They're not off people's individual properties,

[3:41:05] Trustee Rogers: not all of them but most of them so that so so that kind of a restriction doesn't really work

[3:41:11] Trustee Rogers: um so i i wasn't really do you have any vision there's any way other than to just put in words

[3:41:19] Trustee Rogers: in the ocp to encourage um uh eelgrass safe mooring boys that we can do anything i mean i

[3:41:27] Trustee Rogers: i i i think your language was something like um we i forget what it was i forget what phrase

[3:41:35] Trustee Rogers: you used preference is given yeah preference

[3:41:39] Trustee Rogers: in what way i mean we don't have if we're not

[3:41:41] Trustee Rogers: going to regulate them i guess you could just say we encourage is that really what that means

[3:41:46] Trustee Rogers: essentially

[3:41:47] Voice 10: yes um there's no way to identify what kind um to use in for example the land

[3:41:54] Voice 10: use bylaw and again difficult to enforce incredible

[3:41:58] Trustee Rogers: it would be impossible to report

[3:42:00] Trustee Rogers: yeah

[3:42:00] Voice 10: and

[3:42:02] Trustee Stamford: that that's the issue that we're having on gamier is the enforcement i'll

[3:42:09] Trustee Fast: just say from

[3:42:09] Trustee Fast: the bowen side of things we have i think we've got our first seagrass friendly buoy now but i

[3:42:20] Trustee Fast: think it's more of an education and working with different conservation groups and it's partly

[3:42:28] Trustee Fast: partly because we've got a whole project

[3:42:33] Trustee Fast: around Mannion Bay with the,

[3:42:35] Trustee Fast: and we've got a license of occupation

[3:42:38] Trustee Fast: and all those

[3:42:39] Trustee Fast: things, you know,

[3:42:41] Trustee Fast: like I think West Vancouver can do it

[3:42:43] Trustee Fast: because they've taken out a head lease

[3:42:46] Trustee Fast: of all their foreshore, you know,

[3:42:49] Trustee Fast: so there are some ways to do it,

[3:42:51] Trustee Fast: but with a lot more resources needed to put into it.

[3:42:55] Trustee Fast: okay so um where are we with this now shall we uh so

[3:43:02] Trustee Rogers: let me also say i i i think you're asking for

[3:43:05] Trustee Rogers: i i support the seven and a half meter inland dpa um i i support the hundred meter dpa out into the

[3:43:16] Trustee Rogers: ocean because uh uh you know i never know how big talks are going to be proposed and uh and it would

[3:43:24] Trustee Rogers: would probably make, if they're not that long, that's okay.

[3:43:29] Trustee Rogers: So I can make some of these motions

[3:43:33] Trustee Rogers: and I know there are a couple of people on our call today

[3:43:38] Trustee Rogers: because I can see the names of people

[3:43:40] Trustee Rogers: who

[3:43:40] Voice 1: were on the

[3:43:41] Trustee Rogers: working group.

[3:43:45] Trustee Rogers: So thank you for your work,

[3:43:47] Trustee Rogers: but also I encourage you

[3:43:48] Trustee Rogers: to put in your submissions

[3:43:54] Trustee Rogers: about this draft report and the draft language

[3:44:01] Trustee Rogers: to make suggestions for improvement, for changes,

[3:44:04] Trustee Rogers: for how particularly the working group, but anybody,

[3:44:08] Trustee Rogers: I also see another individual who's a waterfront over

[3:44:10] Trustee Rogers: and anybody who wants to put in a submission

[3:44:15] Trustee Rogers: or a suggestion, even at this early stage,

[3:44:18] Trustee Rogers: before we go to the community consultation, do it now,

[3:44:21] Trustee Rogers: because you guys made all of the suggestions I see Mr. Biddle has his hand up that's up to you

[3:44:28] Trustee Rogers: Madam Chair this is not usually the public comment period it's up to you.

[3:44:32] Trustee Fast: Yeah do would you like to

[3:44:33] Trustee Fast: entertain the comment?

[3:44:34] Trustee Rogers: Well Mr. Biddle was on the working group.

[3:44:37] Trustee Fast: Yeah I recognize the name I think

[3:44:38] Trustee Fast: I saw I was on one boat trip Mr. Biddle if you would like to see if we can get talking permitted

[3:44:45] Trustee Fast: and take a couple minutes let us know what you've got to say great

[3:44:50] Voice 11: thanks for allowing that just

[3:44:52] Voice 11: you know I don't troll your whole meeting it was really the main reason I called in was to get this

[3:44:57] Voice 11: this see this update so quickly knowing times limit on top of page 53 there's a section

[3:45:05] Voice 11: that I think I like but it kind of talks about that there may be certain locations valued for

[3:45:11] Voice 11: ecological aesthetic recreational use um that's fairly open-ended is what what is the intent that

[3:45:20] Voice 11: is the intent that you would at some point pick out specific places and say yeah that's one of

[3:45:26] Voice 11: those places and therefore it's going to have certain restrictions different from everyone

[3:45:31] Voice 11: else or what was the intent of that paragraph go

[3:45:36] Voice 10: ahead i can answer that yeah thanks marcel um

[3:45:38] Voice 10: So in some development permit areas, they do identify, you know, certain types of shorelines.

[3:45:46] Voice 10: So like a sediment shoreline or bluff and write guidelines that are like specific to that sort of land.

[3:45:54] Voice 10: So that was that's where I was going with that sort of piece of the staff report.

[3:46:00] Voice 10: You know, what we have for resources for scientific reports, that sort of thing is, you know, maybe outdated.

[3:46:06] Voice 10: dated. So to, you know, to, for example, eelgrass mapping may not be exact. So, um, identifying an

[3:46:14] Voice 10: area, um, as a sediment shoreline, you know, we, we can only go by our basic mapping and

[3:46:20] Voice 10: information that we have. So that's something that can be done and can be included in for this,

[3:46:25] Voice 10: um, development permit area, but it would take, you know, some more digging and information

[3:46:31] Voice 10: information-seeking, because when you're writing development

[3:46:36] Voice 10: area guidelines and protecting a specific

[3:46:41] Voice 10: land structure or land formation, you need to have a sort

[3:46:46] Voice 10: of a scientific background for that.

[3:46:49] Voice 10: So

[3:46:50] Voice 11: is the idea that it sort of stays

[3:46:52] Voice 11: open-ended and gives the trust the potential to make an area of interest

[3:46:58] Voice 11: at some later date or is it

[3:47:00] Voice 10: no it's it's meant

[3:47:02] Voice 10: as an option for the local trust committee if they

[3:47:03] Voice 10: want to go down that road to protect a specific you know type of shoreline for example then

[3:47:10] Voice 10: that option is available for them for staff to bring back a draft bylaw that you know addresses

[3:47:17] Voice 10: that okay

[3:47:18] Voice 11: great and can i ask two more quick questions yes

[3:47:21] Trustee Fast: you can thank thank you for

[3:47:22] Trustee Fast: checking in with me and uh yes please go ahead questions for the

[3:47:26] Trustee Fast: plan go ahead marcel uh one

[3:47:28] Voice 11: Another one was on dock density.

[3:47:32] Voice 11: So my understanding, if I read this,

[3:47:36] Voice 11: docks would now be required to go through this process,

[3:47:40] Voice 11: but there's really no reason you could ever say no to someone

[3:47:43] Voice 11: to have one dock per lot.

[3:47:45] Voice 11: And we could still theoretically dock out the whole island

[3:47:50] Voice 11: without really having a means to restrict that.

[3:47:52] Voice 11: I'm not saying you should, it's really more a question.

[3:47:55] Voice 11: in so

[3:47:57] Voice 10: yeah the docks are permitted in most of the zones around keats so um the density

[3:48:02] Voice 10: regulation is to do with um permitting one dock per lot um and then in some cases there's more

[3:48:10] Voice 10: than one but that's special circumstances like the cd1 zone but um yeah like it you know unless

[3:48:18] Voice 10: unless the zoning changes where you know docks are no longer permitted in whichever zones then

[3:48:23] Voice 10: then, you know, the docks wouldn't be permitted in those areas.

[3:48:26] Voice 10: Okay.

[3:48:27] Voice 11: But

[3:48:27] Voice 10: the development, yeah, sorry, go ahead.

[3:48:30] Voice 11: I was going to say, so I think what you're saying is this tool doesn't really address that.

[3:48:34] Voice 11: It only means you can take a look at it before it's built and maybe modified or something,

[3:48:39] Voice 11: but it's ultimately you can't stop a dock going in.

[3:48:45] Voice 10: If it's permitted, technically, no, you know, but the development permit area is meant to,

[3:48:51] Voice 10: the guidelines are meant to guide the development.

[3:48:53] Voice 10: so you know using you know rather than using styrofoam for example that sort of thing okay

[3:49:00] Voice 11: and understood thanks and the last question and this is a bit of a nuance i've only recently

[3:49:05] Voice 11: learned about and i i guess want to raise it in case it is or isn't anticipated but

[3:49:10] Voice 11: as i found out you know we have some very narrow little parks above our beaches on

[3:49:16] Voice 11: on the island and i don't really know how wide they are but they're

[3:49:20] Voice 11: seven ten meters wide just to kind of protect that little band and it's called a park and then

[3:49:24] Voice 11: the lot behind it that person is no longer waterfront and can kind of build uh he's not

[3:49:32] Voice 11: really regulated by the foreshore restrictions so if if we're trying to control what happens on the

[3:49:40] Voice 11: water would if you had a i don't know 15 meter setback or whatever you're going to end up with

[3:49:46] Voice 11: and it crosses over a park and into that person's lot would would it still touch that person or it

[3:49:52] Voice 11: wouldn't because they're no longer waterfront uh

[3:49:55] Voice 10: so the the development permit area you know if it

[3:49:59] Voice 10: if the ltc decides to go say 7.5 meters 50 meters regardless of whether it crosses over another lot

[3:50:07] Voice 10: the development permit area is you know is set from 7.5 meters back from the natural boundary

[3:50:13] Voice 10: whatever that is right so um if it yeah so in that case it could be applicable to a you know

[3:50:18] Voice 10: a property owner okay great technically not waterfront yeah

[3:50:23] Voice 11: okay thanks and thanks to the

[3:50:25] Voice 11: group for humoring me thanks

[3:50:26] Trustee Fast: thank you marcel and i see uh n phillips i'm sorry i don't know the

[3:50:31] Trustee Fast: names well

[3:50:33] Trustee Rogers: this is also a member of the working group i

[3:50:35] Trustee Fast: thought it looked familiar yeah

[3:50:37] Voice 13: no i have

[3:50:38] Voice 13: have to change the name. But yeah, it's Chris Phillips from Plumper Cove.

[3:50:43] Voice 13: Yeah, so just one

[3:50:44] Voice 13: thing I wanted to address was the comment about boathouses. In Plumper Cove alone, there's at

[3:50:49] Voice 13: least three boathouses. There's also at least one pump house, even just among the sort of six

[3:50:55] Voice 13: families that I think of as the group that I knew as children, and those things were all there then.

[3:51:01] Voice 13: But I'm looking at some of the things in this, the proposed rules. It looks like, for example, one would need a permit to cut down even one tree in whatever the development permit zone going back from the natural boundary of the sea is.

[3:51:22] Voice 13: Or even to build a small trail.

[3:51:26] Voice 13: so this this is meaning it looks some of the suggestions look very restrictive yeah

[3:51:35] Trustee Rogers: so can

[3:51:36] Trustee Rogers: I just madam chair if I could this is the danger of starting this conversation as everybody wants

[3:51:43] Trustee Rogers: to wait there'll be lots of opportunity for for Chris for you to come and make suggestions to us

[3:51:49] Trustee Rogers: as we work our way through the bylaw language this is the first cut at it and

[3:51:54] Trustee Rogers: And I'm conscious of that, and I saw that as well.

[3:51:59] Trustee Rogers: And, you know, that's why I mentioned the fact of paths and stairs,

[3:52:05] Trustee Rogers: and we have to be careful of not being too restrictive, but at the same time.

[3:52:09] Trustee Rogers: So thank you for that.

[3:52:10] Trustee Rogers: Is

[3:52:10] Voice 13: my interpretation of just one tree cutting down requiring a permit correct?

[3:52:17] Trustee Rogers: I don't know the answer.

[3:52:18] Trustee Rogers: I thought it said up to more than two, but maybe I misread it.

[3:52:21] Voice 13: That was pruning, not cutting down.

[3:52:23] Voice 13: I see so

[3:52:26] Voice 10: the exemptions do discuss uh removal of um or sorry trail design and I can see that

[3:52:32] Voice 10: the indent didn't work very well but um yeah there's you know this is a draft by law language

[3:52:39] Voice 10: so it's subject to change and that's why we're here today to discuss it and

[3:52:45] Trustee Fast: so thank you and

[3:52:46] Trustee Fast: so this means you know your comments are very welcome all all uh public comments are going to

[3:52:53] Trustee Fast: be uh listened to by the trustees and and staff and used to um as we go forward if we go forward

[3:53:01] Trustee Fast: and uh so thank you very much did you have another question for the planner or you

[3:53:05] Trustee Fast: you said okay all right thank you very much and uh trustees uh what what would you like to do next

[3:53:15] Trustee Fast: here

[3:53:15] Trustee Rogers: um i'm happy to make a few of these motions and then i would i'd like to uh

[3:53:23] Trustee Rogers: How would you, I guess I'd ask the planner,

[3:53:25] Trustee Rogers: how would you like me to address some of the comments

[3:53:28] Trustee Rogers: that I had made?

[3:53:31] Trustee Rogers: For example, I've actually thought of another one

[3:53:34] Trustee Rogers: that probably the area above Pebble Beach

[3:53:36] Trustee Rogers: is probably also a hazardous area potential.

[3:53:40] Trustee Rogers: It's very steep.

[3:53:42] Trustee Rogers: I don't know of any slides, but it's quite a steep area

[3:53:46] Trustee Rogers: and might be subject to a development permit.

[3:53:50] Trustee Rogers: So how would you like me to present the sort of suggestions I've made to you beyond the

[3:53:56] Trustee Rogers: motions that are here?

[3:54:00] Voice 10: Go ahead, planner.

[3:54:01] Voice 10: I've never been asked this before.

[3:54:04] Voice 10: I mean, I've been taking notes, so I'm hearing what you're saying.

[3:54:09] Voice 10: But yeah, it would be nice to have a resolution.

[3:54:11] Trustee Rogers: So let me try this.

[3:54:13] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to read off number one and make some changes to it.

[3:54:17] Trustee Rogers: I move that the Gambier Island Local Trust Community Direct Staff prepare draft bylaw to amend Keats Island Official Community Plan Bylaw 2002, consistent with the draft bylaw language presented in Attachment 2 of the staff report dated February 4, 2021,

[3:54:36] Trustee Rogers: with the addition of a hazardous DPA in relation to the three areas identified in the local trust

[3:54:52] Trustee Rogers: committee meeting and with the removal, sorry, and with the removal of any change to the M4 zone.

[3:55:04] Trustee Rogers: So thank you.

[3:55:09] Trustee Fast: Did you catch that, Diane?

[3:55:10] Trustee Fast: I'm assuming you did.

[3:55:11] Trustee Fast: Let us know if you didn't.

[3:55:13] Trustee Fast: And if you did, if you could paste it in the chat.

[3:55:16] Voice 8: Okay, just hang on.

[3:55:17] Voice 8: Okay, Jamie?

[3:55:23] Voice 10: Through the chair, thank you.

[3:55:25] Voice 10: So the M4 zone piece would be for resolution number two.

[3:55:30] Voice 10: I just wanted to point that out.

[3:55:32] Voice 10: Resolution one is for the OCP, yeah.

[3:55:34] Trustee Rogers: Okay, I can't figure out which is which,

[3:55:36] Trustee Rogers: but I was going to just, when I got to number two,

[3:55:39] Trustee Rogers: to say consistent with the OCP.

[3:55:43] Trustee Rogers: Is that okay?

[3:55:44] Trustee Rogers: Is that enough direction to you?

[3:55:48] Trustee Fast: She's nodding yes, and I see the motion is in the chat.

[3:55:52] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Diane.

[3:55:56] Trustee Fast: Is that what you wanted to say?

[3:55:58] Trustee Fast: Dan, is

[3:55:58] Trustee Fast: that your motion?

[3:56:02] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[3:56:05] Trustee Stamford: So are we keeping that section

[3:56:07] Trustee Stamford: with the removal of any change to the M4 zone?

[3:56:09] Trustee Rogers: I can put it in the next motion if you want,

[3:56:12] Trustee Rogers: if that's where it goes.

[3:56:14] Trustee Rogers: So we'll take out,

[3:56:15] Trustee Rogers: you can remove all the language after before and so

[3:56:20] Trustee Fast: it ends at local trust committee meeting

[3:56:23] Trustee Fast: correct

[3:56:24] Trustee Rogers: right of february the 4th 2021 okay

[3:56:30] Trustee Fast: all right do i have a seconder

[3:56:33] Trustee Fast: thank you kate louise and uh any more discussion

[3:56:43] Trustee Fast: no i think

[3:56:44] Trustee Rogers: i've said what i didn't say okay

[3:56:46] Trustee Fast: then i'll call the question all those in favor

[3:56:49] Trustee Fast: one two three my hand went up two that's it passes unanimously thank you it's all moved

[3:56:55] Trustee Rogers: that the Gambier Island local trust committee direct staff to prepare a draft bylaw to amend

[3:56:59] Trustee Rogers: Keats Island land use bylaw 2002 consistent with draft bylaw language presented in attachment

[3:57:06] Trustee Rogers: two and three of the staff report dated February 4 2021 and consistent with the official community

[3:57:15] Trustee Rogers: community plan, language, and with the removal of any change to the M4 zone.

[3:57:27] Trustee Fast: Very good. Do I have a seconder? Thank you. Kate Louise?

[3:57:31] Trustee Rogers: Can I just say something? Particularly to Mr. Phillips, but to anybody. When we were putting

[3:57:39] Trustee Rogers: the rar zones in uh you know on keats which were specific areas we took a lot of feedback and and

[3:57:48] Trustee Rogers: discussed that quite a bit of length exemptions to the restrictions because rar zones are basically

[3:57:56] Trustee Rogers: dpas and um uh and and can

[3:58:00] Trustee Fast: you can you riparian area regulations

[3:58:02] Trustee Rogers: riparian areas also those are

[3:58:05] Trustee Rogers: the protections around the streams on case there's three of them um and um so please yes you can

[3:58:12] Trustee Rogers: identify uh i please feel free to identify areas that you think are too strict or or not strict

[3:58:18] Trustee Rogers: enough um because we'll we'll be talking about those specific details like how many trees can

[3:58:26] Trustee Rogers: be taken down and what do you need to do that and why is that important or why isn't that important

[3:58:30] Trustee Rogers: important so just so you know this is by no means a finished product it's a it's a sort of a first

[3:58:37] Trustee Rogers: uh and we'll and we're looking forward to not only comment not only on the general concept

[3:58:44] Trustee Rogers: and the broad protections but also on the specifics because often the devil the the uh the the details

[3:58:51] Trustee Rogers: are very important all of this i just wanted to say that so that everybody could hear us

[3:58:56] Trustee Fast: yep no that's great thank you and do you want to continue with the third one

[3:59:01] Trustee Rogers: oh i don't think we voted on this one

[3:59:03] Trustee Fast: yeah oh i'm sorry uh any more discussion all those in favor

[3:59:09] Trustee Fast: three hands went up

[3:59:11] Trustee Fast: thank you very much and

[3:59:13] Trustee Rogers: i'll move that the gambier island local trust

[3:59:15] Trustee Rogers: community direct staff to proceed with early referrals to first nations uh under the advice

[3:59:21] Trustee Rogers: of the islands trust senior intergovernmental policy advisor thank

[3:59:25] Trustee Fast: you seconder thank you

[3:59:27] Trustee Fast: Kate Louise uh any discussion that's a pretty straightforward one all those in favor three

[3:59:34] Trustee Fast: hands went up thank you that

[3:59:36] Trustee Fast: passes unanimously thank you very

[3:59:38] Trustee Rogers: thorough report thank

[3:59:41] Trustee Fast: you it's

[3:59:42] Trustee Fast: wonderful to see all the work of the working group and all the um efforts of the past coming

[3:59:48] Trustee Fast: to this point today that's great thank you thank you very much planner to benya and welcome

[3:59:55] Trustee Fast: Welcome, Marnie Egan.

[3:59:56] Trustee Fast: Very good.

[3:59:58] Trustee Fast: Okay, so now here we are with...

[4:00:00] Trustee Fast: the um i know kate louise is going to be very disappointed to see the gambier ocp in front of

[4:00:05] Trustee Fast: you that's just joking 11.2 where it paid 81 on the agenda and um excuse me if i start to get

[4:00:14] Trustee Fast: tired here and miss a few things um but please go ahead take it away planner again thank you

[4:00:24] Planner Eggen (probable): chair fast i'll provide a summary of my staff report focusing mostly on uh table one in the

[4:00:32] Planner Eggen (probable): staff report. And I'll do that. And then I'll also ask our

[4:00:39] Planner Eggen (probable): regional planning manager Heather Cower if she wants to

[4:00:42] Planner Eggen (probable): add anything further. So this staff report requests direction

[4:00:47] Planner Eggen (probable): from the local trust committee to identify the type of project

[4:00:51] Planner Eggen (probable): and topics or categories to be in scope for continuing on with

[4:00:56] Planner Eggen (probable): with the Gambier OCP review project.

[4:01:00] Planner Eggen (probable): And the request for direction comes to you

[4:01:03] Planner Eggen (probable): as staff prepares the project charter,

[4:01:06] Planner Eggen (probable): the course of action for the Gambier Island

[4:01:10] Planner Eggen (probable): official community plan review.

[4:01:13] Planner Eggen (probable): And you'll see in the alternatives section

[4:01:18] Planner Eggen (probable): of the staff report, the last page,

[4:01:20] Planner Eggen (probable): that the LTC could ask staff to continue on

[4:01:24] Planner Eggen (probable): on with the project as currently identified with in the project charter that's attached to the

[4:01:32] Planner Eggen (probable): staff report however staff are recommending that the LTC really consider paring down the scope of

[4:01:38] Planner Eggen (probable): the project to focus on one or two specific topic areas instead so I'll just draw your attention to

[4:01:45] Planner Eggen (probable): that table which is on page four of the staff report page 83 83 okay page

[4:01:53] Planner Eggen (probable): four sorry yeah it's

[4:01:55] Trustee Fast: It's 84, 84,

[4:01:56] Planner Eggen (probable): 84, sorry, 84, yes.

[4:02:04] Planner Eggen (probable): So you'll see at the top that there's three options there.

[4:02:08] Planner Eggen (probable): And I'd just like to say these options have been developed

[4:02:12] Planner Eggen (probable): and are being discussed by the regional planning team,

[4:02:16] Planner Eggen (probable): as well as the regional planning managers

[4:02:18] Planner Eggen (probable): and director of local planning services.

[4:02:24] Planner Eggen (probable): And you'll see the first option is to continue

[4:02:27] Planner Eggen (probable): with a comprehensive review as currently proposed in the project charter and you'll see so I guess

[4:02:35] Planner Eggen (probable): it's the second column so in this column you'll see that I've just listed the current objectives

[4:02:41] Planner Eggen (probable): and the scope that are in the project charter already and staff just wanted to point out that

[4:02:49] Planner Eggen (probable): for this type of a project a comprehensive review we're suggesting that that's a project that could

[4:02:57] Planner Eggen (probable): take four to six years we understand that there's been two or three years that have already

[4:03:03] Planner Eggen (probable): been undertaken by staff and there's approximately two or three more years of work to complete

[4:03:09] Planner Eggen (probable): and we just wanted to point out that if we moved forward with this

[4:03:15] Planner Eggen (probable): project as the project charter has outlined it would likely span the next political term

[4:03:23] Planner Eggen (probable): We're also suggesting that for a comprehensive review such as this, the budget for this kind of a project would be upwards of $5,000, would require staff time, and usually most local governments doing a comprehensive review of an OCP, they usually contract consultants to participate in that, at the very least.

[4:03:52] Planner Eggen (probable): if not um take it on wholly so in option two and three uh i would kind of categorize these in the

[4:04:03] Planner Eggen (probable): in the under the umbrella of a term that we've used in islands trust as a targeted review

[4:04:09] Planner Eggen (probable): so for option two uh a category review staff are suggesting that a scope like this

[4:04:18] Planner Eggen (probable): would encompass one or two broad categories such as those that are identified in the project

[4:04:26] Planner Eggen (probable): charter currently and this would take a little bit less time two to four years and depending on

[4:04:35] Planner Eggen (probable): how we move forward with the work ahead it could definitely span into the next political term

[4:04:42] Planner Eggen (probable): The budget, of course, would be a little bit less. Most of that work would likely be done by planning staff, but it could also incorporate a consultant.

[4:04:52] Planner Eggen (probable): And then with option three, a more specific topic focus, staff are suggesting that this would be something that would encompass just one specific type of topic area, like the ones that are provided as examples.

[4:05:13] Planner Eggen (probable): These are definitely not exhaustive, so they're just examples.

[4:05:17] Planner Eggen (probable): and with this type of a project we're thinking it would be one to two years and should the LTC

[4:05:26] Planner Eggen (probable): move forward with this type of a project we're thinking that we could aim to depending on the

[4:05:32] Planner Eggen (probable): scope we could aim for having a public hearing by next year and out of the three general options

[4:05:41] Planner Eggen (probable): this of course is the least amount of cost and I just like to point out for objective staff are

[4:05:49] Planner Eggen (probable): recommending that regardless of the type of project that the LTC would like to move forward

[4:05:58] Planner Eggen (probable): with for this OCP review we'd like to recommend that First Nations engagement collaboration and

[4:06:07] Planner Eggen (probable): strengthening relations is incorporated just given our commitment to reconciliation with First

[4:06:14] Planner Eggen (probable): nations and also as a part of our strategic plan staff are also suggesting that we also incorporate

[4:06:24] Planner Eggen (probable): utilizing the coastal douglas fir conservation toolkit and regional conservation plan

[4:06:30] Planner Eggen (probable): and of course being consistent with the islands trust object and the policy statement and

[4:06:38] Planner Eggen (probable): strategic plan generally and in order to keep our ocps up to date we recommend addressing

[4:06:44] Planner Eggen (probable): addressing all applicable Local Government Act requirements, of course.

[4:06:50] Planner Eggen (probable): In terms of scope, staff are suggesting that regardless of the type of project

[4:06:55] Planner Eggen (probable): that the LTC chooses to move forward, that the technical review is a part of it

[4:06:59] Planner Eggen (probable): and that First Nations acknowledgement and history are a part of it as well.

[4:07:04] Planner Eggen (probable): And as you know,

[4:07:07] Planner Eggen (probable): the regional planning team is putting efforts towards standardizing

[4:07:13] Planner Eggen (probable): Islands Trust OCP documents and OCP review processes and depending on how this project

[4:07:22] Planner Eggen (probable): moves forward we'll integrate as much as we can when possible but it's probably going to be

[4:07:31] Planner Eggen (probable): limited at this point to incorporating standardizing the OCP structure and style

[4:07:38] Planner Eggen (probable): And I just wanted to point out, as you know, we've got the Island's Trust Policy Statement Review going on, and I understand that it's going to be available 2022, so likely that maybe not something that we'll be able to draw from to include in the OCP review.

[4:07:58] Planner Eggen (probable): review. And so just to recap the recommendations, the LTC could ask staff to continue on with

[4:08:10] Planner Eggen (probable): the project as currently identified in the project charter attached. So that's the comprehensive

[4:08:17] Planner Eggen (probable): review. And however, staff are really recommending that the LTC pare down the scope of the project

[4:08:24] Planner Eggen (probable): to one or two specific topic areas instead and we're suggesting that we're suggesting this this

[4:08:33] Planner Eggen (probable): this because it's best possible chance to be completed by the end of the term should the LTC

[4:08:42] Planner Eggen (probable): want to do that and I'll just ask Heather if she'd like to add anything further any manager

[4:08:51] Planner Eggen (probable): sure

[4:08:53] Voice 12: Marnie and I worked pretty closely together on this report so okay but we can answer any

[4:08:59] Voice 12: questions thank

[4:09:00] Trustee Fast: you okay questions for the planners Kate Louise um

[4:09:07] Trustee Stamford: I'll just make a few

[4:09:08] Trustee Stamford: comments to to start off with because the evolution of this keeps sliding back and forth between

[4:09:14] Trustee Stamford: targeted comprehensive targeted I certainly understand why um there is a move towards a

[4:09:22] Trustee Stamford: targeted um ocp review given that there's less chance of it sliding off the rails um

[4:09:29] Trustee Stamford: um i also appreciate that we had a conversation and and looked at um particular possible focuses

[4:09:39] Trustee Stamford: um we talked about it a few weeks ago just after the the christmas break um so i'm not surprised

[4:09:47] Trustee Stamford: to see how this is laid out um i'm not quite sure how to prioritize the various

[4:09:55] Trustee Stamford: topics that we had looked at um i think i think we added in docs which is a is suddenly becoming

[4:10:05] Trustee Stamford: a good point again um but also you know the implications of not including um reviewing

[4:10:14] Trustee Stamford: viewing the marine zones i can't even remember why we put those in but i never want to leave

[4:10:19] Trustee Stamford: marine zones off in case there's a um the the long-term implications are are quite important

[4:10:27] Trustee Stamford: definitely um forest conversations um and how we can incorporate as much um forest conversation

[4:10:37] Trustee Stamford: say conservation and how we can tighten up our wilderness recreation zone is incredibly important

[4:10:46] Trustee Stamford: so I'm interested in looking at a more targeted view but I don't want to target it so much that

[4:10:53] Trustee Stamford: we then have to open it up again in four or five more years because it becomes out of date so I'm

[4:10:58] Trustee Stamford: glad to hear there's the technical review goes in and the deficiencies that were outlined in the

[4:11:06] Trustee Stamford: technical review I assume will be addressed as part of that and then also looking at

[4:11:13] Trustee Stamford: you know the importance of having the First Nations engagement process that absolutely is

[4:11:22] Trustee Stamford: critical I'm not sure how that's going to be accomplished so those are some of the things

[4:11:27] Trustee Stamford: that I'm thinking of when I look at this so I'm supportive of a targeted to a couple of broad

[4:11:34] Trustee Stamford: topics with the knowledge that First Nations and the technical aspects will be incorporated

[4:11:42] Trustee Stamford: on the understanding that we'll then be able to move forward and to start looking at the

[4:11:47] Trustee Stamford: LUV and how we incorporate this into the LUV at a later time.

[4:11:54] Trustee Fast: So Kate Louise excuse me does that

[4:11:57] Trustee Fast: mean that you're looking at option three topic focus? I'm sorry I have to keep flipping back

[4:12:02] Trustee Stamford: and forth because i um so option three um um so option three has one topic i'm thinking uh any

[4:12:18] Trustee Stamford: one or two of the categories um so um the way i read this it's public docs or

[4:12:31] Trustee Stamford: or forest conservation on public lands.

[4:12:37] Trustee Stamford: Definitely, for example, forest conservation

[4:12:42] Trustee Stamford: is a critically important discussion point

[4:12:46] Trustee Stamford: for our OCP right now.

[4:12:48] Trustee Stamford: I'm interested in knowing that if there's changes

[4:12:53] Trustee Stamford: in how the regional district approaches

[4:12:57] Trustee Stamford: its supportive docks on the islands,

[4:12:59] Trustee Stamford: that then we would have to open our OCP in response.

[4:13:02] Trustee Stamford: response I don't know how that would work so if I was to have to pick one topic it would be

[4:13:09] Trustee Stamford: forest conservation right

[4:13:11] Trustee Fast: now. Okay thank you Trustee Stamford and before we go further

[4:13:17] Trustee Fast: does that answer okay I'm not seeing anybody going wait wait except Trustee Rogers please

[4:13:24] Trustee Fast: go ahead Trustee Rogers.

[4:13:27] Trustee Rogers: I was going to say except.

[4:13:30] Trustee Fast: No no I'm

[4:13:30] Trustee Rogers: sorry

[4:13:31] Trustee Fast: I just wanted to make

[4:13:31] Trustee Fast: sure there wasn't a question a specific question for the planners that they wanted to answer that

[4:13:35] Trustee Fast: thank you so

[4:13:38] Trustee Rogers: trustee stanford you surprised me um so there you go um i was ready to

[4:13:48] Trustee Rogers: and i am ready to back you up on a comprehensive review um as we because i also have lived through

[4:13:56] Trustee Rogers: the yings and yangs of this back and forth from a comp targeted to a comprehensive food now being

[4:14:02] Trustee Rogers: to back and forth um so and i and i i'm gonna gonna just say this because

[4:14:12] Trustee Rogers: um it's not so much about gambier uh although i am conscious of the survey that was done

[4:14:20] Trustee Rogers: however many years ago that was that covered off a lot of topics um and your community was

[4:14:28] Trustee Rogers: is quite interested in a bunch of topics and your ocp is coming on 20 years old and we have a

[4:14:39] Trustee Rogers: trust islands policy to renew every ocp every five years um and um and but here's here's my

[4:14:49] Trustee Rogers: why i was going to support but i i mean i'll take your lead on this because i don't know it's a you

[4:14:56] Trustee Rogers: You know, it's the Gambier OCP, but this wasn't, as I understand the Gambier OCP review, it's intended to be a review that's going to act as something of a template for future OCP reviews.

[4:15:14] Trustee Rogers: And how do you establish that template if you go, oh, we're only going to look at forests and docks?

[4:15:20] Trustee Rogers: um that that that doesn't and i'm looking to the rpm for her thoughts on that how does that end up

[4:15:30] Trustee Rogers: establishing the template um and uh it because it doesn't uh you know it just sort of says well

[4:15:39] Trustee Rogers: here's what we're doing here and here's what we're doing there and

[4:15:41] Trustee Rogers: i know it's a procedural thing and

[4:15:43] Trustee Rogers: we're going to be looking at but i mean it they're not all going to be targeted ocp reviews and

[4:15:50] Trustee Rogers: And there's a lot of important issues.

[4:15:51] Trustee Rogers: The other thing that we're starting to discuss both at the executive committee and at Trust

[4:15:58] Trustee Rogers: Council is that, yeah, you know what, OCPs are often done by consultants.

[4:16:06] Trustee Rogers: And you know what, maybe this one needs to be.

[4:16:10] Trustee Rogers: And maybe that's the way it needs to go because, you know, I'm not trying, sorry, Marty, I'm

[4:16:17] Trustee Rogers: trying to take this away from your team by any means but you know if this needs to be done and

[4:16:25] Trustee Rogers: sort of set a standard for how to go about doing it and how to incorporate language language and

[4:16:30] Trustee Rogers: how to do an OCP if this is going to be the test case then I'm a little reluctant to turn it into

[4:16:38] Trustee Rogers: to a targeted review.

[4:16:41] Trustee Rogers: So, I mean, that that's my sort of general reaction,

[4:16:44] Trustee Rogers: but, and I agree with you,

[4:16:48] Trustee Rogers: First Nations are important,

[4:16:50] Trustee Rogers: Marine area is important, forestry is important,

[4:16:53] Trustee Rogers: docks, so those are sort of the three biggies

[4:16:56] Trustee Rogers: as far as I can tell.

[4:16:58] Trustee Rogers: However, sorry.

[4:17:00] Trustee Stamford: They're huge and of themselves.

[4:17:02] Trustee Stamford: And I guess that is the main reason I'm looking at this is

[4:17:05] Trustee Stamford: is what are the chances of getting through that okay

[4:17:09] Trustee Rogers: so if we're gonna go but but it's not gonna

[4:17:11] Trustee Rogers: happen yeah

[4:17:12] Trustee Stamford: well okay so that you're

[4:17:14] Trustee Rogers: gonna have to run again and finish this off so just so you

[4:17:18] Trustee Rogers: know um i don't my project's gonna get finished in this term so how

[4:17:25] Trustee Stamford: that happened i'm gonna try

[4:17:28] Trustee Rogers: and

[4:17:28] Trustee Stamford: tighten up this conversation here anyway but anyway

[4:17:31] Trustee Rogers: i i'm i can i i just don't want you to cut

[4:17:34] Trustee Rogers: I just don't want this to, and I'm happy to listen to the RPM talk about all of that and my sort of bigger thoughts, but if you think that those three topics are more than enough, then let's go, but I wouldn't cut any of those three out.

[4:17:50] Trustee Rogers: out

[4:17:50] Trustee Stamford: well yeah and the one i feel that is being cut out is marine uh by doing it this way um i think

[4:17:58] Trustee Stamford: the technical review and the deficiencies that were demonstrated in that covered a lot of what

[4:18:05] Trustee Stamford: you're talking about is is bringing it up to date making it into a template um and then we have to

[4:18:12] Trustee Stamford: to incorporate the First Nations aspect,

[4:18:18] Trustee Stamford: which is absolutely critical,

[4:18:20] Trustee Stamford: but I don't really see a path forward

[4:18:22] Trustee Stamford: on how that's going to work.

[4:18:25] Trustee Stamford: I don't want to lose the forest conservation.

[4:18:30] Trustee Stamford: It's becoming a hot issue now.

[4:18:33] Trustee Stamford: And I think it's going to become a hotter issue

[4:18:35] Trustee Stamford: within the next year or so.

[4:18:37] Trustee Stamford: So that's one of the reasons that I'm looking at.

[4:18:40] Trustee Stamford: We have to get engaged in that.

[4:18:43] Trustee Stamford: we can't be caught um with a less than solid uh zone in in that area any longer so it's kind of

[4:18:51] Trustee Stamford: becoming i'm not going to say panic mode but it's like whatever it takes for me to get on that

[4:18:57] Trustee Stamford: is where i'm at i would much prefer a comprehensive i think that's how we started way back when i

[4:19:04] Trustee Stamford: first started this which was 2012 somewhere where i said you know this is this is where we need to

[4:19:09] Trustee Stamford: start moving um it it switched to a target went back to a comprehensive this is targeted

[4:19:17] Trustee Stamford: it's a way of getting it done um but if if i lose things on it i don't want to then have to open it

[4:19:24] Trustee Stamford: all up again um and i am thinking how do we then move to the next step which is the lub and and

[4:19:31] Trustee Stamford: getting so many of these model bylaws that we are missing out on through to our our um land use

[4:19:40] Trustee Stamford: bylaws um there's just so many things that we could be doing better and i have a particular

[4:19:46] Trustee Stamford: i believe that the gambier island um community is amenable to those uh more modern changes but we

[4:19:54] Trustee Stamford: just can't seem to get there so that's kind of the reason why i was looking at the the compromise but

[4:20:01] Trustee Stamford: But I think, you know, things are going to come up, like docks are just going to, it's not even within our control anymore.

[4:20:10] Trustee Rogers: So then, excuse me, Madam Chair, if I could, then it just seems to me that given the two givens on the scope on the right-hand side, I think it would be a mistake to not do at least the first three ports.

[4:20:28] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[4:20:28] Trustee Rogers: Okay. And, and I know that that then moves it away from a target, what you're, the staff is

[4:20:35] Trustee Rogers: considering a target review and into a bigger project, which is probably longer. But I will

[4:20:41] Trustee Rogers: tell you that I'll be quite supportive of providing whatever resources are needed to get this done,

[4:20:47] Trustee Rogers: because I do think it's going to become the template and, and it's going to become something

[4:20:51] Trustee Rogers: like that. Anyway, that's, that's just to remind you.

[4:20:54] Trustee Fast: Well, I think there are a number of questions

[4:20:56] Trustee Fast: there for Heather. Heather, do you want to get a word in here? Go ahead. So yeah,

[4:21:04] Voice 12: when we drafted,

[4:21:08] Voice 12: when Marnie drafted this report, really we had, our sense was you'd like to get something done

[4:21:15] Voice 12: in this term. And so if that is the goal, if that is the goal, if that's the primary thing,

[4:21:21] Voice 12: then here's what we think we can get done in this term and with that in mind we have been

[4:21:29] Voice 12: kind of thinking that this ocp project is not a pilot for an entire ocp but there might be

[4:21:37] Voice 12: elements of it that could be used for a template so the style and structure that marnie was talking

[4:21:43] Voice 12: talking about, we could potentially do that. But would this OCP contain all elements of

[4:21:53] Voice 12: a template OCP? No, if we want to get it done within this term. And so that's kind of how

[4:22:00] Voice 12: we've been thinking about it. And I just want to say this too, and that is that this staff

[4:22:10] Voice 12: Rafferport assumes an OCP amendment, not an LUB amendment.

[4:22:15] Voice 12: Yes, I understand that.

[4:22:16] Voice 12: Yeah.

[4:22:17] Voice 12: And so if your concern is forestry zones, this isn't going to address that at all.

[4:22:23] Voice 12: It's just going to address OCP policies and objectives around CDF, Coastal Douglas fir.

[4:22:32] Voice 12: And there are varying scopes of work related to the Coastal Douglas fir toolkit, for instance.

[4:22:39] Voice 12: You know, one of, it's really, the toolkit is a list of options that you have for doing something. The most rigorous is developing a DPA, for instance, right? And that would take more time than other things.

[4:22:54] Voice 12: things. The First Nations piece is one that, again, it depends on how you approach it. And I

[4:23:02] Voice 12: guess maybe you're alluding to a relationship that you have with the Squamish or not, or the First

[4:23:09] Voice 12: Nations in this area, I'm not sure. But in terms of engagement with First Nations and a process for

[4:23:16] Voice 12: engagement. Theoretically, you can be having that engagement at the same time that everything else

[4:23:26] Voice 12: is going on. There's an assumption that there's several layers of work going on all at the same

[4:23:33] Voice 12: time, and First Nations engagement is one of those. So those are some thoughts around that.

[4:23:41] Voice 12: that. If, yeah, I mean, if you really and truly were saying, nope, we as an organization want

[4:23:48] Voice 12: the Gambier OCP to be a full pilot, to, we want to end up with a template for Islands Trust,

[4:23:57] Voice 12: then you're going to need a bigger budget, and you're going to need, and likely, and it would be,

[4:24:01] Voice 12: we would love it if you hired consultants to do that. But you're at the end of your budget cycle,

[4:24:09] Voice 12: you know you're the trust council is going to budget um in march for this coming fiscal year

[4:24:18] Voice 12: so i'm assuming that you'd have to make you know go to trust council in march and

[4:24:22] Voice 12: make the case to add it to the budget for next year if you want to get it not in next year

[4:24:27] Voice 12: that's kind of what you're looking at otherwise it's being pushed another year into another

[4:24:31] Voice 12: another budget cycle um so those are all the thoughts

[4:24:38] Voice 12: thank you heather sure i

[4:24:43] Trustee Stamford: well it's it's frustrating because

[4:24:46] Trustee Stamford: you know this is our timeline with the gambier local trust committee and now you're saying well

[4:24:53] Trustee Stamford: your timeline does now doesn't work with the budget so you're gonna have to wait if we were

[4:24:59] Trustee Stamford: were to go in that direction so you know I can see more reasons why it's the target is the better

[4:25:06] Trustee Stamford: option except I just wanted one part to be opened up and now you're saying it really doesn't make

[4:25:15] Trustee Stamford: any difference anywhere which because it doesn't impact the zoning and yet that has always been

[4:25:20] Trustee Stamford: the point was that one big zone needs to be worked with and when we looked at it it was well you have

[4:25:28] Trustee Stamford: to work with your ocp to make the ocp fit with what you want the zone to look like so you know

[4:25:35] Trustee Stamford: i keep doing the chicken and the egg thing and and and so i just really would like the ocp

[4:25:44] Trustee Stamford: to represent the island and move it forward into the modern world and if that takes a comprehensive

[4:25:50] Trustee Stamford: zone or a comprehensive ocp we can do that um now i now we have to think about how we move it

[4:25:58] Trustee Stamford: forward to the um trust council which is a whole other um ball of wax that you know just trying to

[4:26:06] Trustee Stamford: contemplate that right now knowing some of the issues that they're dealing with uh is is a bit

[4:26:12] Trustee Stamford: overwhelming so you know i i'm just finding this kind of frustrating i just want to get going on it

[4:26:22] Trustee Stamford: because I really think we're going to be dealing

[4:26:27] Trustee Stamford: with some really critical issues around forestry very soon

[4:26:32] Trustee Stamford: and we already are dealing with it

[4:26:34] Trustee Stamford: and I just don't know how to move forward.

[4:26:37] Trustee Stamford: I presented

[4:26:39] Voice 12: this to you when we talked to you

[4:26:41] Voice 12: but one of the things I've been wondering

[4:26:44] Voice 12: is why not just have a project that's related to forestry

[4:26:48] Voice 12: and deal with the zoning around that

[4:26:53] Voice 12: and whatever policies we need to do for the ocp you know it's a separate project and that separate

[4:27:00] Voice 12: project could definitely be done you know in your term but then we're

[4:27:05] Trustee Stamford: still left with an ocp that

[4:27:07] Trustee Stamford: really doesn't say much it says everything and nothing at the same time and it's still leaving

[4:27:12] Trustee Stamford: some pretty significant issues like thinking about it it's like how do we move forward to an

[4:27:18] Trustee Stamford: an LUB where we are looking at an industrial zone because we don't have one right now you know and

[4:27:23] Trustee Stamford: and those those are all impacted by how we approach the OCP I'd love to put trails off to

[4:27:31] Trustee Stamford: the side but that will come up when we talk about the conservation recreational zone so

[4:27:38] Trustee Stamford: that's the zone that I started with and we're still not moving forward on it so I'm kind of

[4:27:46] Trustee Stamford: back at square one um if a comprehensive ocp will cover that and we could start with um the forestry

[4:27:55] Trustee Stamford: um in relation to the first nations as well then i think that's a good start so

[4:28:06] Trustee Fast: now you're thinking

[4:28:07] Trustee Fast: option one am i following you well i'm just not sure how to go to the council oh i hear you you're

[4:28:16] Trustee Fast: exploring well what

[4:28:19] Trustee Rogers: you know if there's one thing in trust that's entirely unclear

[4:28:27] Trustee Rogers: and i can't get a definitive answer on is how do projects get funded um the project on salt

[4:28:38] Trustee Rogers: spring at the moment the big one is the first time since i've been a trustee there's been a

[4:28:44] Trustee Rogers: specific project that has asked for specific money from trust council um and at ec the other

[4:28:54] Trustee Rogers: day there was this this concept that okay anything over five thousand dollars has to go to trust

[4:29:01] Trustee Rogers: council i have to tell you i have no clue where that came from that is not a concept in any policy

[4:29:09] Trustee Rogers: or document that i know about um so uh that's the frustration is i don't want i don't want to make

[4:29:18] Trustee Rogers: a decision here based on the theory and i'm sorry rpm collar i just don't think it's accurate to say

[4:29:26] Trustee Rogers: that if we say we want to do a fulsome review and it's going to cost more money we're going to have

[4:29:30] Trustee Rogers: to wait till the next budget cycle first of all the trust council is always free to amend its

[4:29:35] Trustee Rogers: budget always we can amend it in june we can amend it whenever we want we can ask if we decide we

[4:29:41] Trustee Rogers: need to ask for more money but my you know my theory is that this is now within the long-range

[4:29:54] Trustee Rogers: planning team or whatever you're calling yourself these i i i'm sorry i'm not being facetious i just

[4:29:58] Trustee Rogers: don't know what to call you

[4:29:59] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[4:30:00] Voice 12: regional planning team yeah

[4:30:02] Trustee Rogers: i know and i'm not i'm

[4:30:05] Voice 12: not keen on that

[4:30:06] Trustee Rogers: name um so uh the regional

[4:30:09] Trustee Rogers: planning team so it's there um you guys have it and you know there's always two options one is

[4:30:18] Trustee Rogers: you put more money into a project or secondly you stretch it out over time all right and say

[4:30:23] Trustee Rogers: it's going to take four years instead of two years and i guess for you for me for me trustee

[4:30:29] Trustee Rogers: Stanford one of the options that the RPM has put for you is okay forget your OCP review as a broad

[4:30:36] Trustee Rogers: concept do a forestry project that could look at both your OCP and your land use bylaw and just

[4:30:42] Trustee Rogers: make that that's what I understood you to say right and that could be if that's what you want

[4:30:47] Trustee Rogers: to do that's possible but that's a that is a change in direction and but if that's really what

[4:30:54] Trustee Rogers: what you want for Gambier is to do a review on the port forestry policy that

[4:30:59] Trustee Rogers: looks at both the OCP and the land use bylaw and sort of explores all of

[4:31:04] Trustee Rogers: that. That's fine. But otherwise, you know,

[4:31:08] Trustee Rogers: I pick a few topics that you think are important and you know,

[4:31:14] Trustee Rogers: I'll go to executive committee and figure,

[4:31:17] Trustee Rogers: try and figure out how this is going to get funded once we see what it needs

[4:31:20] Trustee Rogers: to get funded. And so will trustee fast. And so will you.

[4:31:25] Trustee Rogers: um share fast sorry um and we'll get it funded but you know or we'll have to just decide that

[4:31:31] Trustee Rogers: it's going to take until 2023 so it really i know i haven't had the conversations with staff that you

[4:31:39] Trustee Rogers: have and i know this has been a frustrating process for you but i think it's really time

[4:31:45] Trustee Rogers: to decide which way you'd like to go because i can see the i can see the attractiveness of what

[4:31:51] Trustee Rogers: what the rpm says if what you really think is the the most important thing on your island is the

[4:31:56] Trustee Rogers: forestry policy i

[4:31:58] Trustee Stamford: i guess the only pullback i have on the forestry thing is what if we just

[4:32:02] Trustee Stamford: we can't do anything because the primary um part of it is crown land so i don't even know if um

[4:32:10] Trustee Stamford: we go through all this and we end up with the exact same policies that we have right now given

[4:32:17] Trustee Stamford: Given that, it's Crownland that we're dealing with.

[4:32:19] Trustee Rogers: That's right.

[4:32:20] Trustee Rogers: So

[4:32:21] Trustee Stamford: part of this is where I'm not sure where we're going.

[4:32:24] Trustee Rogers: And they're just starting the conversation with the province on the Crownland agreements.

[4:32:28] Trustee Rogers: And as you and I both know, that's been a 10-year project that's gotten nowhere in 10 years.

[4:32:35] Trustee Fast: And if I can just chime in from Bowen, we have our green zone up there.

[4:32:42] Trustee Fast: It covers the Crownland.

[4:32:43] Trustee Fast: land uh sort of recreational environmental and ecological uh but the province and bc timber

[4:32:51] Trustee Fast: sales don't have to pay any attention to that and uh they were we were at the point of their

[4:32:56] Trustee Fast: they were going to hold a public meeting they'd set a date for a public meeting to tell us how

[4:33:00] Trustee Fast: we were going to be logged so i

[4:33:04] Trustee Rogers: would be very reluctant to to start a project around forestry

[4:33:08] Trustee Rogers: and my main reason would be is i don't think anything we do matters until the squamish

[4:33:15] Trustee Rogers: until the squamish nation decides what they see as the future of gambier island for forestry

[4:33:20] Trustee Stamford: yeah okay

[4:33:21] Trustee Stamford: and given that that's a long-term question so i'm going to go out on a limb here

[4:33:26] Trustee Stamford: um given that i am hearing support um and just go with the more comprehensive

[4:33:32] Trustee Stamford: of OCP use it as a template if you think Gambier is a good candidate for that and I think it is

[4:33:41] Trustee Stamford: given that it doesn't have entrenched issues that are untenable outside of forestry which we have

[4:33:52] Trustee Stamford: very little influence what do you think of that the planners go ahead put

[4:34:02] Voice 12: that forward I think

[4:34:04] Voice 12: it will start a conversation with trust council and or the exact to start maybe with starting

[4:34:09] Voice 12: with the executive about because i think the budget the budget will definitely be higher

[4:34:15] Voice 12: therefore it will prompt a conversation with executive count um committee and and trust

[4:34:23] Voice 12: council about that and it

[4:34:26] Trustee Stamford: gets the process started yeah and

[4:34:28] Trustee Stamford: i think you know i i don't

[4:34:31] Trustee Stamford: know if anybody agrees with me but i think that the island is a good way of starting the pilot

[4:34:36] Trustee Stamford: because it it doesn't have those entrenched issues that some of the other islands have

[4:34:42] Trustee Stamford: um they i hate to say the word they care but they're not as invested in what that ocp will

[4:34:50] Trustee Stamford: look like as maybe another island with more engagement history has because that's what

[4:35:00] Trustee Stamford: what my understanding when we talked, I knew what I had my priorities for, but I did really think

[4:35:06] Trustee Stamford: that we were going to modernize and make this a document that, that was worth referring back to.

[4:35:14] Trustee Stamford: So that was sort of my vision. And

[4:35:18] Voice 12: that is that I think, I think if you have a motion today that

[4:35:29] Voice 12: that says something along those lines

[4:35:30] Voice 12: and you specify what you think a budget might look like.

[4:35:34] Voice 12: And I know that anything over $20,000

[4:35:38] Voice 12: has to be reviewed by executive committee.

[4:35:42] Voice 12: So it could be a range,

[4:35:44] Voice 12: it could be 20 to $40,000, something like that.

[4:35:47] Voice 12: But having a, like this is a request,

[4:35:53] Voice 12: this is sort of a formal request of budget

[4:35:55] Voice 12: that is now getting started, that we can get started.

[4:35:59] Voice 12: it it's

[4:36:00] Trustee Rogers: a suggestion so i have to say i would have no idea what dollar to put in there yeah

[4:36:05] Voice 12: yeah i think a comprehensive ocp would be somewhere in the range of 50 to 75 000 dollars

[4:36:12] Voice 12: for to bring 50 to 75 000 dollars for consultants to do all of the work

[4:36:20] Trustee Fast: yeah that's about what the bowen one was and it was a an update um rather than a complete review

[4:36:29] Trustee Fast: you that's

[4:36:31] Voice 12: a that's a pretty standard range from what from you know working with consultants from

[4:36:36] Voice 12: for other jurisdictions i can't handle this now it could also be and we've kind of contemplated

[4:36:45] Voice 12: this that we bring in consultants for the public engagement part of it um and that the planners do

[4:36:53] Voice 12: do the legislative work the drafting of bylaws and that sort of thing and um and that could

[4:37:00] Voice 12: reasonably be a twenty thousand dollar uh budget all

[4:37:05] Trustee Stamford: of a sudden that sounds reasonable because i

[4:37:07] Voice 12: looked at

[4:37:07] Trustee Stamford: five thousand plus on the the options list yeah a

[4:37:12] Trustee Stamford: lot of plus plus plus just so so i'm

[4:37:16] Trustee Fast: I'm just going to jump in too to say I like that idea because it still allows staff to

[4:37:23] Trustee Fast: go through the process of using this as the initial template and the learning that comes

[4:37:29] Trustee Fast: from that or the decisions and the building what you want to build.

[4:37:33] Trustee Fast: I like that.

[4:37:34] Trustee Fast: And it's also a little more practical.

[4:37:37] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[4:37:37] Trustee Rogers: Can I make a motion so that we can focus this discussion?

[4:37:41] Trustee Rogers: We're going to move that the Gambier Outlook and Trust Committee request staff to amend

[4:37:45] Trustee Rogers: amend the Gambier Official Community Plan Review Project Charter

[4:37:49] Trustee Rogers: to reflect a, I'm going to call it a semi-comprehensive review.

[4:38:00] Trustee Rogers: And that includes an OCP technical review,

[4:38:14] Trustee Rogers: an ongoing First Nation engagement and review

[4:38:18] Trustee Rogers: view of first nations obligations um forest conservation protection of coastal douglas

[4:38:26] Trustee Rogers: fur zones and associate ecosystems protection of archaeological and cultural sites

[4:38:32] Trustee Rogers: shoreline protection and marine designation and parks and trails so what i would i would take off

[4:38:45] Trustee Stamford: parks and trails right now i think because i think that comes up in the forestry

[4:38:50] Trustee Rogers: fine then it would

[4:38:51] Trustee Rogers: just be the first three and i'm sorry diane that was a bit that was a bit uh muddled but i because

[4:38:57] Trustee Rogers: i was trying to put in but um so it says to reflect a semi um comprehensive uh ocp review

[4:39:08] Trustee Rogers: and that includes um now i put in the technical review and first nations engagement but maybe

[4:39:15] Trustee Rogers: they don't need to be mentioned because those are givens, right? The

[4:39:20] Trustee Stamford: technical review is done, isn't it?

[4:39:22] Trustee Rogers: Sorry?

[4:39:23] Voice 12: Yeah, and yeah, I think we're still putting it in the project charter, First Nations,

[4:39:29] Voice 12: just to make sure that we...

[4:39:31] Trustee Rogers: So then it would just simply say, forest conservation,

[4:39:35] Trustee Rogers: protection of coastal Douglas fir zones, protection of archaeological and cultural sites, and shoreline

[4:39:41] Trustee Rogers: protection and marine designation oh just

[4:39:46] Trustee Stamford: wait now yeah we got to put ports in there because

[4:39:49] Trustee Stamford: i think it'll come up

[4:39:49] Trustee Rogers: oh that is that is marine designation okay

[4:39:52] Trustee Fast: great shoreline protections

[4:39:54] Trustee Fast: marine designations and did you say did you want to include docks well docks are marine designation

[4:40:01] Trustee Fast: so that makes sense i just see them separately in there you might want to be specific that's

[4:40:04] Trustee Fast: no that's fine so

[4:40:07] Trustee Rogers: so i mean i that's the first motion that i'd make um and and the second motion

[4:40:15] Trustee Rogers: i'll i'll make is um to ask staff to bring the revised project charter with costing and timelines

[4:40:23] Trustee Rogers: lines so uh to allow us to seek out the funding right okay because if we've got to go to ec for

[4:40:36] Trustee Rogers: this or to trust council then i guess we need to go to ec or trust council but you know give it

[4:40:41] Trustee Rogers: your best shot at a um at a a budget that makes sense um understanding that i think we all

[4:40:49] Trustee Rogers: understand at least i'm looking at trustee stanford maybe you can't tell i'm looking at

[4:40:53] Trustee Rogers: But I'm looking at Trustee Stamford that we understand that that undoubtedly means that this is not something we're going to get to probably to completion on the OCP in this term.

[4:41:07] Trustee Stamford: Great. Yeah. And I do agree with the staff. I had asked for that, but I meant one thing, and that was the forest.

[4:41:16] Trustee Stamford: And now I'm looking at it, and it wouldn't make any difference anyway. So, yes, I'm agreeable to that.

[4:41:22] Trustee Stamford: okay

[4:41:22] Trustee Rogers: so diane how do you how do you how do you feel like you've captured that motion

[4:41:28] Trustee Fast: can you pop it in the chat if you've got it

[4:41:30] Voice 8: uh i i may have missed something but i'll put in uh

[4:41:34] Voice 8: both recommendations there

[4:41:49] Trustee Fast: it is the first one okay

[4:41:56] Trustee Rogers: and i we can actually take out the

[4:41:58] Trustee Rogers: um i think we can take out that includes ongoing first nations engagement and review of first

[4:42:04] Trustee Rogers: stations obligations because that's a given right yeah

[4:42:06] Voice 12: it is a given okay

[4:42:08] Trustee Rogers: so it would mean

[4:42:09] Trustee Rogers: so you

[4:42:10] Trustee Rogers: don't need to change the chat diane but it would read that includes forest protection of douglas

[4:42:15] Trustee Rogers: coastal sorry of uh of forest conservation slash protection of coastal douglas fur zones and

[4:42:24] Trustee Rogers: associated ecosystems okay

[4:42:26] Trustee Stamford: everybody's frozen oh

[4:42:29] Trustee Rogers: i'm fine i can hear oh okay you

[4:42:32] Trustee Fast: were frozen for a

[4:42:32] Trustee Fast: while.

[4:42:33] Trustee Rogers: I think

[4:42:34] Trustee Fast: that's your end. Okay.

[4:42:36] Trustee Rogers: Protection of archaeological and cultural sites and shoreline

[4:42:41] Trustee Rogers: protection and marine designations. So if you tell me you've got that, Diane, I can make that motion.

[4:42:54] Voice 8: I'll put it in here again.

[4:42:56] Trustee Fast: Okay. There it is again.

[4:42:59] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, that's better. Thank you.

[4:43:02] Trustee Rogers: So I make that motion.

[4:43:04] Trustee Fast: Okay. Thank you, Dan.

[4:43:06] Trustee Fast: And I see Kate Louise's hand goes up for second.

[4:43:09] Trustee Fast: Any more discussion?

[4:43:11] Trustee Fast: Then I'm going to call the question.

[4:43:12] Trustee Fast: All those in favor?

[4:43:15] Trustee Fast: That motion passes unanimously.

[4:43:17] Trustee Fast: And the second motion, I think, is there?

[4:43:19] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, to ask staff to bring a revised project charter with budgets and timelines.

[4:43:29] Trustee Fast: To a future LTC meeting?

[4:43:32] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, to a future LTC meeting.

[4:43:34] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[4:43:35] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[4:43:35] Trustee Fast: And I think I saw Kate Louise's hand go up.

[4:43:38] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[4:43:38] Trustee Fast: just because the connectivities i'm going to try and hurry up now thank you uh kate louise seconded

[4:43:45] Trustee Fast: and uh any more discussion call the question all those in favor three hands went up thank you very

[4:43:52] Trustee Fast: much everybody thank

[4:43:53] Trustee Stamford: you dan for for steering me through that that was um i was losing the

[4:44:00] Trustee Stamford: will to go any further i just don't know where to go with this one oh

[4:44:04] Trustee Rogers: i thought you almost said

[4:44:05] Trustee Rogers: the will to live i

[4:44:06] Trustee Fast: was getting there well i will point out it's 3 15 and uh

[4:44:11] Trustee Fast: we still have part of

[4:44:12] Trustee Fast: the agenda do you want

[4:44:14] Trustee Fast: to take a two minute break i'd

[4:44:16] Trustee Rogers: rather keep going because i'm trying to get

[4:44:18] Trustee Rogers: on the water this afternoon and get over to keith so okay

[4:44:21] Trustee Fast: all right and seeing nobody shrieking i'm

[4:44:25] Trustee Fast: just going to keep going then um correspondence we don't need to deal with that 13.1 thank you

[4:44:31] Trustee Fast: Heather um and uh bye-bye Marty

[4:44:35] Trustee Fast: um 13.1 climate change mitigation adaptation do we want to talk

[4:44:44] Trustee Fast: about this nothing particular this time right no okay 13.2 forest conservation outreach briefing

[4:44:53] Trustee Fast: we've got three attendees that are still logged in one of them is staff um so maybe we can skip

[4:45:01] Trustee Fast: this one yeah this

[4:45:04] Trustee Fast: was the uh this was just the report on the work that the islands trust

[4:45:09] Trustee Fast: uh conservancy staff did this summer with the letters to people with um uh forests on their

[4:45:16] Trustee Fast: land the stewardship invitation to take out confidence or here's what

[4:45:21] Trustee Rogers: that was in our last

[4:45:22] Trustee Rogers: package wasn't it

[4:45:23] Trustee Fast: i talked about it i talked about it but i didn't realize there would be a

[4:45:28] Trustee Fast: full report coming out i talked about it and i held up some of the papers

[4:45:31] Trustee Fast: i may have included some of the letters okay

[4:45:34] Trustee Rogers: 13

[4:45:36] Trustee Fast: .3 tell us communication installation at

[4:45:39] Trustee Fast: garber gambier harbor yeah

[4:45:41] Trustee Stamford: hi

[4:45:42] Trustee Fast: planner to bunya to benya do you want

[4:45:45] Trustee Stamford: me to just start this and

[4:45:47] Trustee Stamford: then you can follow up um so what's happened is there is we finally found out what the uh

[4:45:55] Trustee Stamford: two poles were in the the gray box um at gambier harbor were and it was a it is a communications

[4:46:04] Trustee Stamford: tower so it is a backup for um the the marine cable to tell us to gambier island and it's a

[4:46:14] Trustee Stamford: microwave a connection to bowen so given that it was it turns out that it truly is a tell us

[4:46:23] Trustee Stamford: that is a communications tower my understanding is that comes under the island's trust we're

[4:46:29] Trustee Stamford: we're supposed to have um a referral on that and we don't have any information as to

[4:46:37] Trustee Stamford: um how it got put up and in fact nobody seems to except for talus so um i'm not sure if jamie's

[4:46:45] Trustee Stamford: had any chance to look at it further but um just want to make sure our understanding is we should

[4:46:52] Trustee Stamford: should have some referral on that.

[4:46:57] Trustee Stamford: Do

[4:46:57] Voice 10: you have any comments?

[4:47:00] Voice 10: I can just speak briefly because, you know,

[4:47:03] Voice 10: the information I have is as much as Trustee Stamford has provided.

[4:47:08] Voice 10: But the Local Trust Committee did adopt the model strategy

[4:47:11] Voice 10: for antenna systems in July 2019.

[4:47:18] Voice 10: And that, well, so TELUS's obligation is,

[4:47:22] Voice 10: or any sort of utility for antennas this sort of thing they are supposed to refer out to local

[4:47:29] Voice 10: government but there are exemptions to that but it's unclear if that is the case here the the

[4:47:35] Voice 10: model strategy for antenna systems that was adopted does list the types of proposals that

[4:47:42] Voice 10: are excluded but because we have not received anything other than you know hearing about it

[4:47:47] Voice 10: from the community it's really difficult to know whether it would have it is or will be an excluded

[4:47:53] Voice 10: proposal so um yeah that's as far as you know i can help okay i

[4:48:01] Trustee Stamford: don't want to spend too much

[4:48:03] Trustee Stamford: more time on this but i'll continue following up with telus and get them to um uh refer to you to

[4:48:10] Trustee Stamford: the islands trust and give you the specs so that we can get a better sense of how it fits that

[4:48:15] Trustee Stamford: that policy

[4:48:16] Trustee Rogers: how big is it

[4:48:17] Trustee Stamford: um it's taller than a regular power pole there's two um utility poles

[4:48:24] Trustee Stamford: they're they're they're tall but not outrageous um and there's a great big gray box and it hums

[4:48:33] Trustee Stamford: and clicks and the biggest problem is it's right in the middle of the view corridor

[4:48:37] Trustee Stamford: one of the few view corridors in the area um and so that's a problem for some people and not so

[4:48:46] Trustee Stamford: much for others but then other people are concerned that if it is a microwave tower

[4:48:50] Trustee Stamford: the concerns around radio waves and things like that without any engagement with the community

[4:48:57] Trustee Stamford: so

[4:48:58] Trustee Rogers: if you read the the antennas the strategy the the the model bylaws they set out it's fairly

[4:49:06] Trustee Rogers: clear which types of things they're supposed to refer to us and which ones they aren't so

[4:49:11] Trustee Rogers: So that will give

[4:49:12] Trustee Rogers: you a good clue as to whether this falls into one of the

[4:49:15] Trustee Rogers: exceptions or not.

[4:49:16] Trustee Rogers: So

[4:49:16] Trustee Stamford: where is that in the.

[4:49:18] Trustee Rogers: Well, we've adopted it. So it's probably in our, in our information,

[4:49:23] Trustee Rogers: but you, I can send it to you if you want it.

[4:49:26] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[4:49:27] Trustee Stamford: I just couldn't seem to find any reference to it.

[4:49:29] Trustee Stamford: So I was having trouble finding a connection to that and then I can send it

[4:49:33] Trustee Stamford: on to TELUS. So other than that,

[4:49:35] Trustee Stamford: I don't want to spend too much more time on that.

[4:49:38] Trustee Fast: Okay. Thank you.

[4:49:39] Trustee Fast: you sounds like a action item that you're going to do whether we put it on our list or not very

[4:49:46] Trustee Fast: good okay thank you uh 13.4 ocean watch um action committee for discussion go ahead kate wheeze um

[4:49:55] Trustee Stamford: so again this is more of an update um the ocean watch action committee met and we're determining

[4:50:04] Trustee Stamford: ways of encouraging local governments and regional governments and special purpose

[4:50:10] Trustee Stamford: governments to follow through on the strategies that were outlined in the Ocean Watch strategic

[4:50:18] Trustee Stamford: plan. So specific to my part in this, I'm going to put together a survey for communities to fill out

[4:50:27] Trustee Stamford: determining where they're at, if they have been able to follow through on those strategies,

[4:50:32] Trustee Stamford: strategies and if not why not and ways in which the action committee can then support

[4:50:41] Trustee Stamford: that continuing to move forward on those strategies so that's sort of my part in it

[4:50:46] Trustee Stamford: and I'll be working on that soon yeah

[4:50:49] Trustee Fast: no that's terrific I was there too I can't remember very

[4:50:53] Trustee Fast: much of it it's in this pile somewhere so thank you Kate Louise so if you have

[4:50:58] Trustee Stamford: any questions about

[4:50:59] Trustee Stamford: ocean watch and how we fit into it i can answer the specific questions and

[4:51:07] Trustee Fast: we'll send you the

[4:51:07] Trustee Fast: glass sponge brief info marston was there from metro vancouver yeah yeah i said he he asked me

[4:51:17] Trustee Fast: after ocean watch what was the glass sponge engagement and i sent him the info and he

[4:51:21] Trustee Fast: registered himself it wasn't yeah it was kind of if we had room kind of thing yeah um okay great

[4:51:28] Trustee Fast: trust conservancy report we heard from

[4:51:30] Trustee Fast: Kate Louise at the beginning so I'll just put a check

[4:51:32] Trustee Fast: mark beside 14.1

[4:51:34] Trustee Fast: because we did that

[4:51:36] Trustee Fast: back when we were waiting

[4:51:38] Trustee Fast: applications report isn't there so we can't

[4:51:40] Trustee Fast: talk about that expense report we got

[4:51:42] Trustee Fast: she

[4:51:42] Trustee Rogers: sent it out to us

[4:51:44] Trustee Rogers: oh

[4:51:44] Trustee Fast: okay great

[4:51:46] Trustee Fast: thank you Jamie and I

[4:51:48] Trustee Rogers: just have one thing I

[4:51:50] Trustee Rogers: wanted to say about now I gotta

[4:51:52] Trustee Rogers: find it again

[4:51:53] Trustee Rogers: Jamie could I just flag one thing for

[4:51:56] Trustee Rogers: you and ask you to report back

[4:51:58] Trustee Rogers: to me on for us on which is the um uh the third matter down which is the gm dvp 2002.1

[4:52:09] Voice 9: um

[4:52:09] Trustee Rogers: i have a feeling that that's redundant and not active anymore um and if so i we should take it we

[4:52:18] Trustee Rogers: should just report that out and we could take it off the uh list because at one point there was a

[4:52:24] Trustee Rogers: plan to create a whole bunch of variances for this area, but I'm not sure, but I think that

[4:52:31] Trustee Rogers: the way that Sonia did it, that those became irrelevant, but maybe you could let us know.

[4:52:39] Voice 10: Noted. I

[4:52:39] Trustee Fast: will do that. Thank you.

[4:52:40] Trustee Rogers: Thanks very much.

[4:52:42] Trustee Fast: Okay. Thank you very much. Anything from you, Kate, Louise, about the applications? Nope.

[4:52:47] Trustee Fast: Seeing a shaken head, let's move on. Spence report we dealt with. Anything else in 14.4?

[4:52:56] Trustee Fast: 14.5 first nations activities 14.6 local trust committee web page 15.1 top priorities report

[4:53:11] Trustee Fast: page 94 any questions or comment nope shaking heads projects report 15.5 page 95 and 9 to 97

[4:53:24] Trustee Fast: okay and then there's three information items that i referred to in my intro and um next regular

[4:53:34] Trustee Fast: meeting scheduled for April the 1st I think this might have been the same last

[4:53:38] Trustee Fast: year or anyway one of them was a LTC meeting on the 1st of April and yeah

[4:53:44] Voice 9: and

[4:53:47] Trustee Fast: that the meeting be closed to the public so who would like to move

[4:53:51] Trustee Rogers: the meeting be

[4:53:51] Trustee Rogers: closed to the public in accordance with the community charter part 4 division 3

[4:53:55] Trustee Rogers: section 91 D and F for the purpose of considering the option of ink I don't

[4:54:00] Trustee Rogers: think we have any minutes so um or at least they aren't in our agenda package so i'm going to skip

[4:54:06] Trustee Rogers: that and yes

[4:54:07] Trustee Fast: they are yep they are 2.1 local trust committee in-camera minutes dated july 23rd

[4:54:14] Trustee Rogers: okay they're not on my package but okay uh adoption of in-camera minutes dated july 23rd

[4:54:21] Trustee Rogers: 2020 and bylaw enforcement and the recorder and staff attend the meeting

[4:54:25] Trustee Fast: okay thank you do i have

[4:54:28] Trustee Fast: a seconder thank you and uh if we want to do a friendly amendment here we could take out that

[4:54:35] Trustee Fast: part about the minutes because you're right it is only on one page they're not in there so yeah

[4:54:40] Trustee Fast: let's just strike that part and uh because okay

[4:54:49] Trustee Rogers: yeah

[4:54:51] Trustee Fast: and uh all

[4:54:52] Trustee Fast: those in favor sorry i was just

[4:54:55] Trustee Fast: i'm i'm getting tired i'm reading it three times going what which was i talking about okay thank

[4:54:59] Trustee Fast: thank you. So let's close the meeting. Do we go, we go to a different meeting now, right?

[4:55:03] Trustee Fast: Yeah. So thanks to

[4:55:04] Trustee Rogers: everyone who hung in there with us.

[4:55:06] Trustee Stamford: Yeah. Thank you. I'll be back. Oh,

[4:55:08] Trustee Stamford: memento. I just got to sort out where my kid goes.

[4:55:12] Trustee Fast: Right. Okay. So we'll see you in a couple

[4:55:14] Trustee Fast: of minutes. Yeah. In a different meeting. Bye-bye. Thanks everybody.