South Pender Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, April 9, 2021

[0:00:01] Trustee Patrick: good morning if you're just tuning in please stand by will the system get up and running

[0:00:18] Trustee Patrick: good morning just uh stand by we'll open the meeting in just a moment

[0:00:23] Trustee Patrick: live stream is now connected chair patrick thank you very much maple all right looks like

[0:00:34] Trustee Patrick: everything's running and up so trustees you ready all right then good morning i'd like to call this

[0:00:42] Trustee Patrick: special meeting of the south pender island local trust committee to order

[0:00:45] Trustee Patrick: this meeting is being recorded and also live streamed i want to begin with acknowledging

[0:00:52] Trustee Patrick: how fortunate we are to today to be able to gather all across the locations of the traditional

[0:00:57] Trustee Patrick: territories of the coast salish people during this time of covid numbers increasing in the

[0:01:04] Trustee Patrick: strains in our communities my thoughts are deeply with the first nation communities as this

[0:01:12] Trustee Patrick: This continued pandemic causes harm.

[0:01:18] Trustee Patrick: I'm Laura Patrick.

[0:01:19] Trustee Patrick: I'm elected on Salt Spring Island and chair of the local trust committee.

[0:01:23] Trustee Patrick: I'm joined today by trustee Cameron Thorne and trustee Steve Wright.

[0:01:28] Trustee Patrick: And together we make up your South Pender Island local trust committee.

[0:01:32] Trustee Patrick: This meeting is an official forum for your local trust committee to make decisions about land use planning matters and discuss relevant business.

[0:01:40] Trustee Patrick: I also want to add that this is a place of employment despite the fact that some of our

[0:01:45] Trustee Patrick: staff may be coming from their own homes they have the right to a safe and respectful workplace

[0:01:50] Trustee Patrick: we're grateful for this ability to have electronic meeting as trustees staff and the public don't

[0:01:54] Trustee Patrick: have to travel and we're honoring the provincial health orders and guidelines during this pandemic

[0:01:59] Trustee Patrick: we do appreciate your understanding because this is a electronic meeting there could be

[0:02:04] Trustee Patrick: technical difficulties and please be patient we'll work to overcome those as quickly as we can

[0:02:11] Trustee Patrick: we have some staff meeting members joining us today we have maple hung our office administrator

[0:02:17] Trustee Patrick: thank you maple for making this meeting run so smoothly kathy gilbert is our minute taker good

[0:02:23] Trustee Patrick: morning kathy and we have robert kojima our regional planning manager good morning robert

[0:02:28] Trustee Patrick: and kim stockville our planner good morning kim so we have an agenda before us trustees are there

[0:02:35] Trustee Patrick: there any additions or changes you wish to make to the agenda? As

[0:02:44] Voice 8: long as we have an opportunity

[0:02:46] Voice 8: for a town hall at the end of our agenda.

[0:02:49] Trustee Patrick: So you'd like to have a town hall after before

[0:02:53] Trustee Patrick: adjournment?

[0:02:54] Voice 8: Yes please and at our previous meeting we had an opportunity for a closed

[0:03:02] Voice 8: meeting and I'm assuming that that will be carried over until next month's meeting because we have a

[0:03:09] Voice 8: a legal opinion to discuss and also some bylaw enforcement stuff we need updating on so that's

[0:03:15] Trustee Patrick: our regular meeting yeah

[0:03:17] Voice 8: thank you any

[0:03:19] Trustee Patrick: other changes to the agenda can we approve the agenda

[0:03:23] Trustee Patrick: as amended through general consent so

[0:03:26] Voice 8: moved all

[0:03:27] Trustee Patrick: right thank you okay then um so we have really

[0:03:33] Trustee Patrick: one one item of business on here and that is um the work program and we have a staff report

[0:03:38] Trustee Patrick: attached and at this time I'll invite Planner Stockdell to kick off this discussion.

[0:03:46] Planner Stockdill: Thank you Chair Patrick. I'm just going to touch on a few brief items in the staff report

[0:03:52] Planner Stockdill: mostly for those community members who are listening in and have questions regarding

[0:03:57] Planner Stockdill: the work plan and what that looks like what's involved in it. This staff report was originally

[0:04:03] Planner Stockdill: attached to the March 5th 2021 LTC agenda but unfortunately due to we ran out of time that day

[0:04:11] Planner Stockdill: so we have scheduled this special meeting to discuss the work program. So the work program

[0:04:20] Planner Stockdill: consists of two lists if you will. The first one is the top priority list and this top priority list

[0:04:28] Planner Stockdill: This is a list of projects that the LTC is actively working on.

[0:04:32] Planner Stockdill: These projects have a budget, a project charter, and their staff allocated to work on these projects.

[0:04:40] Planner Stockdill: Currently, the three top priority projects for South Pender is the Groundwater Sustainability Project, which is in process.

[0:04:51] Planner Stockdill: The second is the Short-Term Vacation Rental Review Project, and the third is the Alternative House Project.

[0:04:57] Planner Stockdill: And the two latter, the STVR and the alternative house project, those bylaws have actually been sent to EC or post public hearing.

[0:05:06] Planner Stockdill: So there's an opportunity for the LTC to remove those two projects from the top priority list and therefore add one or two new projects to the top priority list.

[0:05:18] Planner Stockdill: In terms of the project list, these are topics or themes or projects that the LTC may want to work on in the future.

[0:05:27] Planner Stockdill: These are not projects that are actively worked on.

[0:05:31] Planner Stockdill: So the LTC has an opportunity to add or remove the topics that are on the projects list.

[0:05:38] Planner Stockdill: And I think there's a list of six that are items that are currently on the South Pender LTC's project list.

[0:05:46] Planner Stockdill: So currently we are in the pre-planning stage as the LTA. There's two recommendations for the LTC to consider removing those two top priority projects, the short-term vacation rental and alternative housing projects from the top priority list and to add two new potential projects.

[0:06:08] Planner Stockdill: projects. Both Trustee Wright and Trustee Thorne have provided some of their comments of some

[0:06:15] Planner Stockdill: themes or ideas of potential new projects. But I do ask the LTC really consider in this pre-planning

[0:06:23] Planner Stockdill: stage, what is the LTC hoping to achieve and really trying to identify the problem. And that

[0:06:30] Planner Stockdill: will hopefully help us to determine the next projects the LTC wishes to work on. So I won't

[0:06:37] Planner Stockdill: go into detail the what both trustees have provided I'm sure they'll give an overview

[0:06:44] Planner Stockdill: on their comments soon. There are a number of OCP potential topics and those are some

[0:06:53] Planner Stockdill: those are items that the LTC should consider how to proceed with those potential projects.

[0:07:01] Planner Stockdill: The LTC should develop some clear and concise objectives and directives that are all within

[0:07:06] Planner Stockdill: the legislative powers of the LTC and the Islands Trust and there's also a number of potential

[0:07:12] Planner Stockdill: LEB amendments as well. Staff have provided as I mentioned two recommendations and those are to

[0:07:20] Planner Stockdill: remove two of the top priority projects off the list and there is a third recommendation that the

[0:07:27] Planner Stockdill: the LTC could consider adding land use bylaw amendments as a top priority but that's something

[0:07:35] Planner Stockdill: something that the LTC can discuss. There's also a list of recommendations for the LTC to consider

[0:07:40] Planner Stockdill: and one that isn't included in the alternatives but the LTC could decide to do is a strategic

[0:07:47] Planner Stockdill: planning session and that would be with community members and staff. We can schedule another special

[0:07:53] Planner Stockdill: meeting if the LTC would like to do that as well. So I will turn it back to you Chair Patrick.

[0:07:59] Planner Stockdill: trick all

[0:08:00] Trustee Patrick: right thank you very much uh planner stockton um just before we start the conversation

[0:08:06] Trustee Patrick: i can just i've been spending i think we talked about it in the last meeting i just was tipping

[0:08:12] Trustee Patrick: into really understanding kind of the project charter and projects and how how we can set up

[0:08:18] Trustee Patrick: our projects overall for greater success and through the regional planning committee we've

[0:08:24] Trustee Patrick: We've been getting more involved in that as well as helping with the local planning services renewal project that they're doing.

[0:08:33] Trustee Patrick: And there really are four stages to planning.

[0:08:39] Voice 1: And

[0:08:40] Trustee Patrick: there's the pre-planning, there's planning, the implementation, monitoring and evaluation is the fourth one.

[0:08:47] Trustee Patrick: And I note that, I don't know if you've received the letter, we did a North Pender,

[0:08:51] Trustee Patrick: Pender, but it was a general letter that came from the Laiac Nation and it had listed a

[0:08:57] Trustee Patrick: whole bunch of projects throughout their territories, not just North Pender.

[0:09:02] Trustee Patrick: And the Laiac and First Nation specifically requested involvement in the problem identification

[0:09:09] Trustee Patrick: and then the concept and solution design phases of projects.

[0:09:13] Trustee Patrick: And I thought the wording they used was really important and helped to describe how important

[0:09:20] Trustee Patrick: important the pre-planning phase is. I think we tend to go to a project charter too quickly,

[0:09:25] Trustee Patrick: and it's our chances as the political voices here to really be clear as to what do we want to do,

[0:09:33] Trustee Patrick: why do we want to do it, and what are we hoping to get out of it, the benefit part. And to me,

[0:09:40] Trustee Patrick: that's all the pre-planning. And to really linger in that phase properly and long to define a

[0:09:49] Trustee Patrick: project but do really good planning in that pre-planning phase and that allows us the you

[0:09:54] Trustee Patrick: know the first nation um engagement as well to inform the project to be a robust project but i

[0:10:02] Trustee Patrick: just i just wanted to share sort of some of my thoughts of where things are developing on project

[0:10:06] Trustee Patrick: development and but let's uh open the conversation uh

[0:10:15] Voice 8: well my first question would be um regarding

[0:10:19] Voice 8: Regarding the groundwater sustainability project,

[0:10:23] Voice 8: it has been going on and been delayed

[0:10:26] Voice 8: over a couple of years now.

[0:10:28] Voice 8: And it being one of our top priorities list,

[0:10:32] Voice 8: my interest is if we have any idea

[0:10:37] Voice 8: of when this is to be completed,

[0:10:39] Voice 8: because if the chances of it not being completed

[0:10:42] Voice 8: within this term, then there's just as soon remove it

[0:10:47] Voice 8: from our top priority list and leave it with the next trust committee and and get on with other

[0:10:53] Voice 8: things um is there an update that anybody is aware of yeah

[0:10:57] Voice 9: i can i can speak to that

[0:10:59] Voice 9: uh yeah so there was that presentation a couple meetings ago where william sort of updated the

[0:11:06] Voice 9: ltc on the results of the mapping so those were the first two phases of the project and they're

[0:11:12] Voice 9: are winding up now and a couple of southern local trust committees have identified phase three as a

[0:11:18] Voice 9: priority phase three is the implementation phase where the local trust committee looks at amending

[0:11:22] Voice 9: its bylaws to implement the results of the of the mapping so galliano is the most advanced with that

[0:11:29] Voice 9: and so they have it as a top priority they have a project charter work is underway on that and

[0:11:38] Voice 9: And the project charter timeline identifies that it to be completed by the

[0:11:43] Voice 9: end of the term. And so,

[0:11:45] Voice 9: but they're a little a few months ahead of North Pender at this point and

[0:11:50] Voice 9: North Pender has also identified it as a top priority currently the phase

[0:11:55] Voice 9: three and we'll be reporting back to them at their next meeting because

[0:12:02] Voice 9: they're also looking at bringing in coastal Douglas for ecosystem mapping

[0:12:08] Voice 9: and trying to meld that into the groundwater project which which could extend the timeline

[0:12:12] Voice 9: further so to answer your question trustee you're right yeah it would be pretty tight

[0:12:19] Voice 9: to anticipate completing that work this term um and so saturn and maine have sort of sidelined

[0:12:30] Voice 9: sidelined it for the rest of this term as they focus on things they want to complete within the

[0:12:34] Voice 9: term and sort of leaving it to the next term to pick up that work and to follow North Pender and

[0:12:41] Voice 9: Galliano's lead potentially next term so thanks

[0:12:48] Voice 10: thanks go ahead Steve well

[0:12:51] Voice 8: I was going to say it

[0:12:52] Voice 8: is an important study and I as I said the delays are are a little frustrating for sure but I don't

[0:13:00] Voice 8: want to lose it but if it if if the chances of it not being able to be completed this term then

[0:13:06] Voice 8: um i would i'd like to discuss uh putting it on the project list and removing it from the top

[0:13:11] Voice 8: priorities and

[0:13:13] Trustee Patrick: i need

[0:13:15] Voice 8: to i need to know where you guys are at what do you think

[0:13:18] Voice 8: and whether you think

[0:13:19] Voice 8: that's reasonable or not my

[0:13:20] Trustee Patrick: advice would be to hold that for thought for a moment because it's

[0:13:24] Trustee Patrick: i think we really want to concentrate on what is it you're you're hoping to achieve because there

[0:13:29] Trustee Patrick: there could be an element of water involved in that depending on whether

[0:13:34] Trustee Patrick: it's, you know, what, what exactly. So, so I think it's,

[0:13:38] Trustee Patrick: that would be important to go. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Trustee Thorne.

[0:13:42] Voice 3: Yeah. Well, thanks for the update, Robert. You know, I,

[0:13:48] Voice 3: I get your point chair about, you know, you know,

[0:13:52] Voice 3: where we park this thing, because obviously,

[0:13:54] Voice 3: Obviously, ultimately, that information feeds into other other aspects of the policies that we're that we're going to be looking at today.

[0:14:06] Voice 3: But I don't want I don't want to forego moving forward on important things while we're waiting for this.

[0:14:13] Voice 3: I mean, sort of to use an analogy, I feel like in the case of this water study, you know, I'm not the I'm not a hydrologist.

[0:14:21] Voice 3: I'm not an expert in it I'm you know we're kind of patiently waiting for William to do his work

[0:14:25] Voice 3: he's driving the bus on that thing but I don't want to sit there parked at the curb in the

[0:14:30] Voice 3: meantime until until he's got until he's got his reports done there's things where as trustees we

[0:14:36] Voice 3: can drive the bus and we've heard from the community on a number of things that are important

[0:14:39] Voice 3: to them time is of the essence and I want to and obviously we'll talk about it in this meeting but

[0:14:44] Voice 3: But I would really like to outline the priorities that we can effectively address and adopt in this term

[0:14:54] Voice 3: while still recognizing that the work that William's doing could factor into this down the road.

[0:15:01] Voice 3: All

[0:15:06] Trustee Patrick: right. Well, like I said, I think it's important, just like I said, hold the idea

[0:15:09] Trustee Patrick: and then we can talk more about what you're trying to achieve and see if there are elements,

[0:15:14] Trustee Patrick: like I said that do get come back to the water mapping that you'll have in hand well

[0:15:21] Voice 8: let me start

[0:15:22] Voice 8: by um moving that the South Bender Island Local Trust Committee removed the short-term vacation

[0:15:27] Voice 8: rental project from the top priorities list all

[0:15:31] Trustee Patrick: right uh sure is there a second second by Trustee

[0:15:34] Trustee Patrick: Thorne any discussion I'll call the vote then all those in favor so that's

[0:15:44] Trustee Patrick: carried and

[0:15:46] Voice 8: in doing so

[0:15:46] Voice 8: So I'd like to thank staff for their diligence and hard work

[0:15:49] Voice 8: and helping us through that mess.

[0:15:53] Voice 8: So secondly, I move that the South Pender Island

[0:15:57] Voice 8: Local Trust Committee remove the alternative housing project

[0:16:00] Voice 8: from the top priorities.

[0:16:01] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second?

[0:16:03] Trustee Patrick: Second Trustee Thorne, any discussion?

[0:16:06] Trustee Patrick: I'll call the vote.

[0:16:07] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[0:16:08] Trustee Patrick: And that too is carried.

[0:16:14] Trustee Patrick: So you can open the floor on the discussions

[0:16:16] Trustee Patrick: of where you'd like to go.

[0:16:18] Trustee Patrick: So who'd like to go first?

[0:16:21] Trustee Patrick: Well, um, trustee Thorne.

[0:16:22] Voice 3: Yeah, I, I, um, thanks for, thanks for that, Steve. I mean,

[0:16:25] Voice 3: I think it's important sort of to, to, um, to, uh, that we, that we address those first two

[0:16:32] Voice 3: items first, sort of as a, as a house clean house keeping sort of administrative thing,

[0:16:37] Voice 3: and then, and then get on to what we want to do in the remainder of the term, um, which is,

[0:16:42] Voice 3: which of course is the purpose of today. Um, I know, um, I thought there was some good advice

[0:16:47] Voice 3: given by Robert a couple of meetings ago that that you know it might be it might be wise to

[0:16:55] Voice 3: look at different different aspects of our of our work plan that could be grouped together under

[0:17:03] Voice 3: a couple different categories and one of those being sort of a collection of things under a land

[0:17:08] Voice 3: use bylaw amendments and also certain things that could be worked under an OCP amendment.

[0:17:20] Voice 3: And obviously I think that certainly things that are important to me would fall under both of those

[0:17:30] Voice 3: categories. So I would like to, I know that the third recommendation is that the self-pender LTC

[0:17:36] Voice 3: see add land use bylaw amendments to the top priority list and I agree with that but but I

[0:17:41] Voice 3: do notice elsewhere in the report there's also reference to you know OCPs being OCP amendments

[0:17:47] Voice 3: being being a top priority as well and I and I I do think in order to to move forward with the

[0:17:57] Voice 3: things in a fulsome way and to to stitch things together as they need to be done I'd like to have

[0:18:02] Voice 3: have a conversation about how we could,

[0:18:03] Voice 3: we could address OCP amendments as well.

[0:18:07] Trustee Patrick: Well, I think before we make any,

[0:18:09] Trustee Patrick: I think this is an opportunity to have the general

[0:18:11] Trustee Patrick: discussion of what we want to do and why,

[0:18:15] Trustee Patrick: and then how to best package, you know,

[0:18:17] Trustee Patrick: how to best package that work.

[0:18:21] Voice 8: Yeah.

[0:18:22] Voice 8: Well, I think under, I think the first thing

[0:18:25] Voice 8: that we could discuss is the OCP amendments,

[0:18:28] Voice 8: because those technically run a little longer

[0:18:31] Voice 8: because we're looking for ministerial approval of that.

[0:18:34] Voice 8: where the LUB doesn't require that.

[0:18:37] Voice 8: So under the OCP, we have discussed

[0:18:42] Voice 8: about establishing a development permit area

[0:18:45] Voice 8: along the foreshore of South Bender Island.

[0:18:47] Voice 8: And there's a number of reasons for that.

[0:18:49] Voice 8: One is climate change.

[0:18:50] Voice 8: One is the protection of the coastal Douglas fir.

[0:18:54] Voice 8: There's also elements of rural character involved.

[0:18:58] Voice 8: We, as trustees, we have two hats.

[0:19:03] Voice 8: One is for our local communities and other is deemed by the legislation for the province generally.

[0:19:10] Voice 8: And I think the character and the natural lay of the trust area is important to the other people that live in the province.

[0:19:18] Voice 8: And there are two views, as I've said before, one is off island and one is on island.

[0:19:22] Voice 8: And the province generally has that anticipation of a view on island.

[0:19:27] Voice 8: And so I think that when we combine all those things

[0:19:31] Voice 8: and given the limited number of tools we have

[0:19:34] Voice 8: to achieve the goals and the objectives

[0:19:37] Voice 8: of our official community plan,

[0:19:38] Voice 8: the one that seems to be the paramount tool

[0:19:45] Voice 8: is a development permit area.

[0:19:47] Voice 8: So I would like to discuss the establishment

[0:19:52] Voice 8: of a development permit area along the foreshore

[0:19:55] Voice 8: or of South Pender Island under the auspices

[0:19:58] Voice 8: of protection of sensitive environment.

[0:20:05] Trustee Patrick: Any, but go ahead, Doug.

[0:20:07] Trustee Patrick: A

[0:20:08] Voice 9: question for clarity to help with the discussion.

[0:20:10] Voice 9: So the foreshore is the area that Deliah falls,

[0:20:13] Voice 9: technically falls between the upper tidal boundary

[0:20:18] Voice 9: and the lower tidal boundary.

[0:20:19] Voice 9: So it's the shoreline.

[0:20:21] Voice 10: In that case, let's

[0:20:23] Voice 8: call it the coastline.

[0:20:24] Voice 8: Technically the area, yeah,

[0:20:26] Voice 9: coastline is probably a better term.

[0:20:27] Voice 9: Okay.

[0:20:28] Voice 8: Thanks, Robert.

[0:20:34] Voice 3: Yeah, no, I'm certainly looking forward to obviously digging deeper into this idea of a postal DPA.

[0:20:45] Voice 3: There are obviously, as the report notes, there's other things that are potential OCP amendments, and I'd like to touch on those.

[0:20:56] Voice 3: those um the building design and citing guidelines is something that um um we've been working on for

[0:21:04] Voice 3: a while as people know this came to um uh came to the ltc for for a report and consideration back

[0:21:14] Voice 3: on november 1st of 2019 and there was some some options around and there was some some discussion

[0:21:21] Voice 3: around sort of the legal parameters of what we can and cannot do formally and as in terms of dp

[0:21:28] Voice 3: issues or dp areas on single family homes but there was also some some areas in which that

[0:21:33] Voice 3: that the intent could be achieved through other approaches um you know what we're talking about

[0:21:39] Voice 3: here is voluntary guidelines um and um i would like to i would you know at the at the end of the

[0:21:47] Voice 3: day of my my view is that these are important and they link back to other areas that that we're

[0:21:54] Voice 3: going to be talking about today including um preservation of rural character um the the

[0:21:59] Voice 3: aesthetic qualities of the island and and how those relate to maximum house size so i think

[0:22:06] Voice 3: they are important topics that um that stitch together and i would like to um i'd like to make

[0:22:13] Voice 3: sure that that's one of the items that's on the list and subject to the thoughts of the others.

[0:22:18] Voice 3: I would also think that it would be something that would we would want to obviously put out

[0:22:23] Voice 3: to the community but put out to the APC as well and I know we did this was actually provided to

[0:22:29] Voice 3: the APC back in 2019 but you know they were focused on other topics at the time so it was

[0:22:36] Voice 3: never we never got a formal response back so this to me is a very important thing that we should

[0:22:42] Voice 3: should talk about today yeah

[0:22:48] Voice 8: because the design and siting guidelines are are just that their

[0:22:54] Voice 8: guidelines are they're certainly not mandatory but we we would like to at least have them available

[0:22:59] Voice 8: in a document for people to consider when they are developing their property and so I think it

[0:23:07] Voice 8: also serve as a useful tool is if someone applies for a variance on a specific piece of property

[0:23:15] Voice 8: then the community may be able to rely on these guidelines

[0:23:19] Voice 8: to give some direction to the LTC

[0:23:21] Voice 8: and what they'd like to see happen

[0:23:24] Voice 8: within that variance application.

[0:23:27] Voice 8: So my question is,

[0:23:29] Voice 8: can they be put in the OCP as sort of an appendix

[0:23:37] Voice 8: so that they're there for referral?

[0:23:41] Voice 8: They're certainly not there as a regulation,

[0:23:44] Voice 8: but people could consider them much in the same way as the suggestion

[0:23:51] Voice 8: I put forward as the rights of nature.

[0:23:55] Voice 8: I realize that the rights of nature are not a mandatory or something

[0:24:00] Voice 8: that a regulation that people have to obey.

[0:24:03] Voice 8: But I think that if we are going to be concerned about the effects

[0:24:07] Voice 8: of climate change and the character and the well-being of our community

[0:24:11] Voice 8: and the natural community,

[0:24:14] Voice 8: I would like to at least have the community consider

[0:24:19] Voice 8: the pros of looking at the rights of nature

[0:24:24] Voice 8: as something to give them pause,

[0:24:27] Voice 8: to consider those items within that document

[0:24:32] Voice 8: as a possibility of having options

[0:24:36] Voice 8: or alternative ways of approaching

[0:24:39] Voice 8: the development of their land.

[0:24:41] Voice 8: And I was wondering if that can also be appended

[0:24:44] Voice 8: or appended to the OCP.

[0:24:49] Voice 8: Those would be fairly simple matters.

[0:24:51] Voice 8: They're sort of written out already

[0:24:53] Voice 8: and we could refer them to the APC.

[0:24:56] Voice 8: And if once we have those considerations

[0:25:00] Voice 8: and if all goes well and they're supported,

[0:25:03] Voice 8: then we could simply send them to the minister

[0:25:06] Voice 8: along with the other OCP amendments.

[0:25:10] Voice 8: And to some degree that would also follow

[0:25:14] Voice 8: the First Nations acknowledgement.

[0:25:16] Voice 8: I was suggested by staff that we look at Saturna's project

[0:25:23] Voice 8: for acknowledging First Nations

[0:25:25] Voice 8: within their community plan.

[0:25:27] Voice 8: Unfortunately, the link in the report goes to a dead page.

[0:25:32] Voice 8: So I wasn't able to find it and read it.

[0:25:35] Voice 8: But if those are already written, would that be a fairly simple matter that they could simply be sent to the minister as an appendix to the official community plan?

[0:25:50] Planner Stockdill: I could answer your two questions.

[0:25:53] Planner Stockdill: So first, the question about the building design and citing guidelines and the rights of nature policy.

[0:26:01] Planner Stockdill: Yes, those potentially could be attached to the OCP as a schedule.

[0:26:06] Planner Stockdill: but as you mentioned it wouldn't be as enforceable like a regulation of the land use bylaw but they

[0:26:15] Planner Stockdill: could potentially be attached to the OCP. In relation to the First Nations language I apologize

[0:26:22] Planner Stockdill: that it was a dead link I'll send that out and update the report. Yes you could certainly use

[0:26:28] Planner Stockdill: what Saturna did as a template, but you would still want to refer that to First Nations to

[0:26:37] Planner Stockdill: ensure that we're using the correct language and acknowledgement for those First Nations.

[0:26:45] Planner Stockdill: Now, when I've listed these potential OCP amendments for the LTC to consider,

[0:26:52] Planner Stockdill: consider the idea behind it was they would be each their own individual project wouldn't necessarily

[0:26:58] Planner Stockdill: be a grouping together as one large OCP amendment project so that might be something that the LTC

[0:27:06] Planner Stockdill: would want to consider as well that the idea would be to be its own separate projects there

[0:27:11] Planner Stockdill: and Robert I'm not sure

[0:27:13] Voice 9: yeah I would just add so going back to the appending the design guidelines

[0:27:19] Voice 9: Yeah, as Kim suggested, yeah, it could be added as a schedule.

[0:27:22] Voice 9: What would sort of give it a little more efficacy would be to have also some policy amendments within the body of the OCP.

[0:27:35] Voice 9: For example, what Trustee Wright was referring to, like these guidelines should be considered by LTCs while considering variance applications, for example.

[0:27:45] Voice 9: then it then it links the policy then links to the to the guidelines and gives some guidance

[0:27:52] Voice 9: to ltcs on how to consider applying those guidelines in particular on particular circumstances

[0:28:03] Voice 9: um the the first nations uh wording so it's a for the saturn is an amendment to the introduction

[0:28:12] Voice 9: action to the ocp so yeah it'd be fairly straightforward to adapt that for south pender

[0:28:19] Voice 9: the help of um lisa wilcox senior intergovernmental policy advisor um and for south pender and um in

[0:28:31] Voice 9: terms of the process uh yeah there'd be amendments to the bylaw to the ocp um as kim was saying it

[0:28:38] Voice 9: could be done as separate separate bylaw amendments um in case one you know runs into some issues the

[0:28:44] Voice 9: others could proceed um in terms of the steps they are like any bylaw amendment you have to give it

[0:28:51] Voice 9: readings it does they do have to go to public hearing and then um ec approval and then to the

[0:28:57] Voice 9: minister so um there's still all that that and referrals as well obviously to to any affected

[0:29:04] Voice 9: agencies and to First Nations so there are those

[0:29:06] Voice 9: steps to be done um so that's that's what

[0:29:09] Voice 9: sort of creates a lot of the a lot of the process associated with even relatively straightforward

[0:29:15] Voice 9: bylaw amendments um and then the um the rights of nature policy yeah the LTC could look at that and

[0:29:24] Voice 9: you know maybe say based on a sort of a more finely tuned version decide whether it's best

[0:29:31] Voice 9: best to be placed within say the introduction of the OCP, if it works well with the rest

[0:29:39] Voice 9: of the OCP context in the introduction or appended as an attachment to like a schedule

[0:29:48] Voice 9: to the OCP.

[0:29:53] Voice 8: I could be wrong here, but I'm going to assume that there's a map.

[0:30:00] Voice 8: somewhere that I watched that I looked at that had the Sanchothan names of certain areas on

[0:30:06] Voice 8: South Pender Island and that's what I was referring to however I've gone back to try and find it again

[0:30:11] Voice 8: and haven't been able to locate it on the website they kind of come and go but I understand that

[0:30:18] Voice 8: that may be a lengthy process so I'm not anticipating that we are able to do that

[0:30:24] Voice 8: within this term but I would certainly like to begin that process or at least get it started

[0:30:31] Voice 8: in recognition of our declaration to First Nations.

[0:30:35] Voice 9: Yeah the mapping's a little could be a

[0:30:38] Voice 9: little more controversial potentially than the introductory language because it's you know it's

[0:30:44] Voice 9: identifying certain locations in one language and then there's other language groups such as

[0:30:49] Voice 9: the Holkamanen who might have different terms for those sites. So Saturn I was initially looking at

[0:30:55] Voice 9: a map schedule with First Nations language identifying sites and the advice of Lisa

[0:31:06] Voice 9: shifted that towards a written introduction and away from the map schedule but might be something

[0:31:13] Voice 9: to revisit.

[0:31:15] Voice 8: Yeah, well perhaps we'll take that off our list today and I'll have a conversation

[0:31:22] Voice 8: with Lisa and see what the best approach she could advise us on.

[0:31:28] Voice 9: Yeah, the introductory wording is

[0:31:30] Voice 9: what Saturna has done, is adding in a sort of history and text to the OCP rather than a map.

[0:31:37] Voice 9: yeah okay and

[0:31:39] Trustee Patrick: i was gonna say there's you could use the your rights of nature and um

[0:31:45] Trustee Patrick: and the the guidelines the design guidelines could be referred to the apc without having to

[0:31:53] Trustee Patrick: make it a project if you want to get their feedback before going down that route you know

[0:31:58] Voice 8: that's our intent yeah

[0:32:00] Voice 3: i mean you know being cognizant of the fact that there's you know

[0:32:05] Voice 3: only so much bandwidth um within the staff to be able to to make everything um a project or

[0:32:13] Voice 3: top priority i mean i'm thinking with the design guidelines you know my my view is that you know

[0:32:21] Voice 3: and certainly i i'm happy to shoulder some of the some of the workload on these things these are

[0:32:26] Voice 3: these are important to at least to me you know we we we've written the design guide like the

[0:32:32] Voice 3: The design guidelines are already a written form and they're, you know, it's as simple as forwarding these on to the APC without staff having to really dig into them.

[0:32:42] Voice 3: And again, the good work that was done by yourself and Nerissa back in 2019, we've already gotten a report that's provided some, you know,

[0:32:52] Voice 3: that's considered the design guidelines and how they could be utilized.

[0:32:55] Voice 3: And so I'm hoping that that's a fairly simple thing that we can do without, you know, without exerting too much additional staff resources on that one.

[0:33:05] Voice 3: I'd like to see that one go forward. And at the same time, I'd like to see the coastal DPA, which probably needs more staff time because it's more of it's an infancy stage to see maybe to see that thing as something that the staff could apply their resources.

[0:33:21] Voice 3: versus whereas the other one is in a way

[0:33:22] Voice 3: kind of ticking along on its own at this point in time.

[0:33:26] Voice 3: Yeah,

[0:33:27] Voice 9: the design guidelines, as you say,

[0:33:30] Voice 9: would be relatively straightforward.

[0:33:32] Voice 9: We wouldn't need a lot of work from staff

[0:33:33] Voice 9: other than just taking it through the process.

[0:33:37] Voice 9: Similarly with the First Nations language,

[0:33:40] Voice 9: if you use Saturnas as a template

[0:33:43] Voice 9: and similarly with the Rights of Nature Statement,

[0:33:46] Voice 9: it would be, again, just taking the actual amendments

[0:33:48] Voice 9: through the process.

[0:33:49] Voice 9: process DPA is Trustee Thorne suggesting yeah more staff work both in terms of developing and

[0:33:57] Voice 9: the guidelines looking at the work that's being done on in the Gambier local trust area on their

[0:34:03] Voice 9: shoreline project looking at Galleano updating Galleano's existing DPA and sort of doing a

[0:34:09] Voice 9: set analysis it's been in place for going on 10 years now on Galleano and what are the pros and

[0:34:15] Voice 9: and cons, what are the issues that have arisen?

[0:34:18] Voice 9: How can that be adjusted for self-pender?

[0:34:23] Voice 9: So there's that element of it.

[0:34:25] Voice 9: And I'm assuming it will involve a significant level

[0:34:31] Voice 9: of community consultation and discussion associated

[0:34:34] Voice 9: with something like a DPA on self-pender.

[0:34:36] Voice 8: Do you think?

[0:34:40] Voice 8: Well, could I suggest that our move that we refer

[0:34:44] Voice 8: for the building design and siting guidelines

[0:34:48] Voice 8: and the rights of nature documents to the APC for comment

[0:34:52] Voice 8: and ask that perhaps they give us their thoughts

[0:34:57] Voice 8: in time for the next meeting.

[0:35:01] Trustee Patrick: When is the next meeting?

[0:35:02] Trustee Patrick: If you could be specific on the date.

[0:35:04] Trustee Patrick: It's April, May 7th.

[0:35:07] Voice 8: So you're making

[0:35:08] Trustee Patrick: that motion?

[0:35:10] Voice 8: Yes, please.

[0:35:12] Trustee Patrick: Before you second it, I'm going to give Kathy a moment

[0:35:15] Trustee Patrick: to uh capture that she's eating sushi

[0:35:23] Trustee Patrick: is kathy there did she did we get her in her moment of

[0:35:31] Trustee Patrick: there she

[0:35:32] Voice 5: is i got it thank you i know the sushi hasn't arrived yet

[0:35:36] Voice 5: can

[0:35:37] Trustee Patrick: you read that

[0:35:38] Trustee Patrick: back before we second that

[0:35:40] Voice 5: yes i refer the building design and guidelines

[0:35:43] Voice 5: lines and rights of nature um there should be a word in there rights of nature to the apc

[0:35:50] Voice 5: and get back to the local trust committee before the may 7th uh 2021 meeting the rights of nature

[0:35:57] Voice 5: what is

[0:35:57] Trustee Patrick: that called steve it's the right just

[0:35:59] Voice 8: the rights of nature document document thank you

[0:36:03] Trustee Patrick: all right are you can would you wish to second trustee thorn sorry

[0:36:07] Voice 3: yeah sorry yeah kathy that

[0:36:09] Voice 3: That was, I was just thinking about your sushi

[0:36:11] Voice 3: and didn't focus on that.

[0:36:14] Voice 3: That was reference to both the design guidelines

[0:36:17] Voice 3: and the rights of nature,

[0:36:18] Voice 3: both being forwarded to the APC with the response.

[0:36:20] Voice 3: Okay, I second that.

[0:36:22] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[0:36:23] Trustee Patrick: Is there any discussion?

[0:36:27] Trustee Patrick: I'll call the vote then.

[0:36:28] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[0:36:30] Trustee Patrick: And that's carried.

[0:36:32] Voice 3: I

[0:36:32] Trustee Patrick: was gonna say in reference

[0:36:33] Trustee Patrick: to the DPA,

[0:36:34] Trustee Patrick: what Thetis is in the same boat,

[0:36:39] Trustee Patrick: on the same island.

[0:36:42] Trustee Patrick: and they're considering a shoreline dpa as well what they've done is they've invited the

[0:36:48] Trustee Patrick: the planner that's doing the the gambier um to come to the meeting and so that they can talk

[0:36:55] Trustee Patrick: to them about what what is it where are they what what is what are they hoping to achieve

[0:37:00] Trustee Patrick: um with that planner so that's that's the step they decided because also the the regional

[0:37:08] Trustee Patrick: Planning Committee does have on its work, they are creating a model bylaw for shoreline DPAs.

[0:37:15] Trustee Patrick: So that work is happening. So Thetis was taking some time to see how they could fit in. Was there

[0:37:23] Trustee Patrick: something unique that was specific to them or not compared to what else is happening? So I just

[0:37:30] Trustee Patrick: thought I'd share that.

[0:37:32] Voice 8: Would it be any benefit to have a Zoom meeting with all those groups of

[0:37:38] Voice 8: the islands and the people involved in the DPA

[0:37:41] Voice 8: and put us all together

[0:37:42] Voice 8: and kick this can around the room a bit?

[0:37:47] Voice 8: Is that possible?

[0:37:52] Trustee Patrick: I'll look to...

[0:37:54] Voice 9: Yeah, I'm not...

[0:37:54] Voice 9: I mean, technically it is.

[0:37:56] Voice 9: Yeah, you could schedule a meeting,

[0:37:58] Voice 9: special meeting of all the LTCs

[0:38:00] Voice 9: or have one, probably more practical

[0:38:02] Voice 9: to have one trustee from each LTC delegated.

[0:38:05] Voice 9: And then it's technically and logistically,

[0:38:10] Voice 9: it's it's easier to do um they are all different stages though gambier is looking at opt looking

[0:38:19] Voice 9: at actual regulation regulatory amendments and dps at this point um fetus uh chair patrick

[0:38:27] Voice 9: probably speak to you better is sort of in the stage of exploring um the options so

[0:38:34] Voice 3: Is there, I mean, I guess it would be instructive for us here on the South Pender LTC to perhaps at least be able to read the work that's, you know,

[0:38:48] Voice 3: read and review the work that's been done to date so we can sort of figure out, you know, I mean, every island is different.

[0:38:53] Voice 3: Some things may not be applicable.

[0:38:55] Voice 3: Shoreline, the configuration of the shoreline might be different in one spot versus the other, et cetera, et cetera.

[0:39:01] Voice 3: but if we could at least maybe staff could i don't know get put

[0:39:05] Voice 9: us we can just put together

[0:39:07] Voice 9: an email with some links to where

[0:39:09] Voice 9: they are on the web page i know the

[0:39:11] Voice 9: gambier one's kind of

[0:39:12] Voice 9: buried one level down it's a little hard to unless they've updated that it's a little hard

[0:39:16] Voice 9: to get directly to it thetis i'm not

[0:39:19] Voice 9: sure yeah just

[0:39:20] Trustee Patrick: in the exploration still an exploration

[0:39:22] Trustee Patrick: of just trying to determine whether or not they want to go there right

[0:39:27] Voice 9: yes probably gambier would

[0:39:28] Voice 9: would be the most advanced and have the most information.

[0:39:32] Voice 9: And then I'd also, yeah, we put a link

[0:39:35] Voice 9: to Galliano's DPA narrow CP as well.

[0:39:43] Voice 8: Well, to kick off this process,

[0:39:45] Voice 8: do we, would it help you if we made a motion

[0:39:48] Voice 8: to make this as a priority under the OCP amendments

[0:39:55] Voice 8: and request a project charter?

[0:40:00] Voice 8: Yeah,

[0:40:00] Voice 9: I'm just thinking, just to debate the discussion so far,

[0:40:04] Voice 9: you've got the relatively straightforward OCP amendments,

[0:40:09] Voice 9: you know, the design guidelines, the First Nations language,

[0:40:14] Voice 9: and the rights of nature.

[0:40:17] Voice 9: Those would be minor amendments, right?

[0:40:19] Voice 9: It could be moved forward as a single project.

[0:40:21] Voice 9: And then this, I think, is going to involve

[0:40:24] Voice 9: a lot more consultation it might make sense to have this as a second second OCP amendment project

[0:40:30] Voice 9: I

[0:40:31] Voice 3: agree Robert yeah and

[0:40:34] Trustee Patrick: I would recommend before you're you're to me you're not ready to say come

[0:40:39] Trustee Patrick: back with a project charter okay it's

[0:40:41] Trustee Patrick: it's it's worth your while to read what they're doing is

[0:40:45] Trustee Patrick: is it is the shoreline dpa going to achieve what you want it to do is it the right tool to do what

[0:40:52] Trustee Patrick: what you're hoping it can do?

[0:40:56] Trustee Patrick: And is it, or is there something unique,

[0:40:59] Trustee Patrick: you know, that's not being addressed

[0:41:01] Trustee Patrick: in these other projects that are going on?

[0:41:05] Trustee Patrick: Is there something specific that you're interested in?

[0:41:08] Trustee Patrick: Well,

[0:41:08] Voice 8: my concern is that it's the only tool we have, so.

[0:41:13] Trustee Patrick: Well,

[0:41:14] Voice 8: we do have the heritage

[0:41:15] Trustee Patrick: map

[0:41:16] Trustee Patrick: because just one of the frustrations

[0:41:19] Trustee Patrick: because uh with the with the shoreline dpa is it doesn't include archaeological protection

[0:41:27] Trustee Patrick: and that's i i know i was i'm very frustrated with that on salt spring because it's like

[0:41:32] Trustee Patrick: you can't we can't use that tool to do archaeological protection that's going to

[0:41:37] Trustee Patrick: be the heritage mapping that's coming um as a separate trust council project that's underway

[0:41:44] Trustee Patrick: so that's why i said it's important to kind of know what this tool can and can't do

[0:41:48] Trustee Patrick: Yeah.

[0:41:49] Voice 9: And there's the other elements of it, like you're looking at setbacks from the sea

[0:41:53] Voice 9: as well, changing that, what's permitted within the setbacks from the sea in terms of the stairs

[0:42:00] Voice 9: and other accesses and so on. So perhaps a project that's more theme-based, coastal protection,

[0:42:08] Voice 9: something like that. And look at all the tools, including maybe designating heritage conservation

[0:42:13] Voice 9: conservation area as well um maybe some sort of landscape strips for environmental protection

[0:42:20] Voice 9: that's another tool that you could like landscaping retention tools and um yeah no

[0:42:27] Voice 9: hardened surfaces within the within a certain distance of the shoreline um it's more focused

[0:42:34] Voice 9: on what is the the you're identifying the area the coastal back shore as it's called or including

[0:42:41] Voice 9: including perhaps part of the foreshore.

[0:42:42] Voice 9: And then what are the objectives you want to achieve with that?

[0:42:45] Voice 9: And then what are the variety of tools that you want to use?

[0:42:49] Voice 3: So this is like a, it's like a CDDPA, Robert.

[0:42:54] Voice 9: Well, or it could be a series of amendments,

[0:42:56] Voice 9: like some amendments to the OCP for a DPA and heritage conservation designation,

[0:43:01] Voice 9: some amendments to the land use bylaw for setbacks and siting and,

[0:43:05] Voice 9: and lot coverage within the certain distance, you know,

[0:43:09] Voice 9: changing maybe the lot coverage provisions within a certain distance of the shoreline

[0:43:13] Voice 9: there's a whole variety of things you can look at but it's all based upon

[0:43:17] Voice 9: wanting to address climate change and protect the sensitive shoreline ecosystems

[0:43:23] Trustee Patrick: yeah that's interesting um

[0:43:25] Voice 3: well it's going about

[0:43:26] Trustee Patrick: it differently it's instead of instead of having

[0:43:29] Trustee Patrick: the tool as being your project your project is to come up with the options that are going to

[0:43:37] Trustee Patrick: to fulfill the objectives that you're trying to do.

[0:43:39] Trustee Patrick: And then you can choose, which ones, is there an order?

[0:43:43] Trustee Patrick: Do you need them all?

[0:43:44] Trustee Patrick: Or are there some that are gonna get you

[0:43:47] Trustee Patrick: the protections that you wanted for your objectives?

[0:43:51] Voice 3: Yeah, I mean, I agree with you, Chair Patrick.

[0:43:59] Voice 3: This one, I mean, I think sort of my comment

[0:44:03] Voice 3: is whether it was a CD was a comprehensive approach

[0:44:07] Voice 3: to what we kind of want to see under the umbrella

[0:44:11] Voice 3: of a DPA regulation.

[0:44:17] Voice 3: And we need to think about, as you say,

[0:44:19] Voice 3: what are the things that we want to try and cover off there,

[0:44:22] Voice 3: whether it's archaeological things,

[0:44:24] Voice 3: whether it's issues relating to appropriate locations

[0:44:27] Voice 3: for stairs or how to look at, you know,

[0:44:31] Voice 3: how to mitigate some of the visual impacts of them

[0:44:34] Voice 3: or the other things that Robert mentioned.

[0:44:35] Voice 3: And those are all things that could be under under a kind of a comprehensive approach that something we're not just grabbing off the shelf from necessarily another island, but looking at our own at our own needs.

[0:44:45] Voice 3: So I do like that. And I'm wondering what the other with the other minor amendments and maybe this is not the time is whether we whether we do a separate motion to get to get the ball rolling on those as a minor OCP amendment.

[0:45:02] Voice 3: Yeah,

[0:45:05] Voice 9: that's what I'm sort of starting to see come together is you've got some minor OCP amendments. That's one project. You've got potentially some minor LUB amendments. That's another project. Those are both doable and achievable and, you know, within the early next year type of thing.

[0:45:23] Voice 9: Just given the process to amend bylaws. And then you've got a more comprehensive project about shoreline protection.

[0:45:32] Voice 10: but

[0:45:32] Voice 9: still a bit open-ended about what you're going to what you're going what tools are going

[0:45:37] Voice 9: to be you're going to be looking at yeah

[0:45:40] Voice 8: okay well can we can we get to start off as can we get

[0:45:44] Voice 8: some information on what gambier is doing and then yeah yeah

[0:45:49] Voice 8: we'll send you the links that

[0:45:50] Voice 8: might give us some structure and and some ideas there thank

[0:45:54] Trustee Patrick: you i think it's a real value to like

[0:45:58] Trustee Patrick: said to if you want to have more of a coastal protection project it's just to talk what what

[0:46:04] Trustee Patrick: are you hoping what what are the objectives what are you trying to protect and and to try to list

[0:46:09] Trustee Patrick: those off what is it that you're specifically trying to achieve so like it is if it is

[0:46:15] Trustee Patrick: archaeological protection then that's giving some clarity as to what tools there are it's protecting

[0:46:21] Trustee Patrick: of the the foreshore or minimizing the damage and you know having having those type of objectives

[0:46:32] Voice 3: Yeah, good point.

[0:46:37] Voice 3: I know

[0:46:37] Trustee Patrick: it's what's sometimes frustrating. If you don't have those specifics, then you're going to get six months down the road and find that, you know, you're not, you didn't achieve or you're not going in the direction you think you are.

[0:46:51] Voice 8: Okay, we'll give that some more thought. Thank you.

[0:46:58] Voice 8: So the LUB amendments.

[0:47:01] Voice 8: amendments. And I guess the first and the largest would be the maximum floor space of floor area of

[0:47:13] Voice 8: residences. So there's all kinds of issues that tie in with residential development.

[0:47:25] Voice 8: There is environmental, there are resource issues. There is one that is becoming more

[0:47:34] Voice 8: more prevalent by the week and that is affordable housing.

[0:47:42] Voice 8: There is a lot of rural character as described in ROCP.

[0:47:49] Voice 8: So we've kind of been kicking around how to approach it

[0:47:57] Voice 8: and what we can do to ensure that the existing houses

[0:48:03] Voice 8: are not going to be penalized and that if something should happen that they will be protected

[0:48:15] Voice 8: in their existing form and place. And size. Yeah, size and sighting. So we've done some

[0:48:25] Voice 8: preliminary investigation we currently have about 35 lots that are under one acre on

[0:48:34] Voice 8: south pender island one acre to two acre there's about 98 two acres to three acres there are 50

[0:48:43] Voice 8: there's 15 that are three to four acres and above five acres and that goes from five acres literally

[0:48:51] Voice 8: literally up to 40, 50, there's 32.

[0:48:57] Voice 8: Now the house sizes, the floor area sizes

[0:48:59] Voice 8: that we have currently on the island

[0:49:02] Voice 8: for less than 1,000 square feet, there's 51.

[0:49:09] Voice 8: For houses that are one to 2,000 square feet,

[0:49:13] Voice 8: which is the majority of houses is 108.

[0:49:16] Voice 8: 108. From 2,000 to 3,000 square feet, there are 57. And over 3,000 feet, there are 14.

[0:49:29] Voice 8: That we will do some more work to tie those, the sizes of those floor spaces to the size of the lot

[0:49:39] Voice 8: lot so that we can have a baseline of which to consider maximum house sizes in the hopes that

[0:49:49] Voice 8: it will not penalize or impact as many residents and property owners as possible.

[0:49:57] Voice 8: Should they be impacted, it would place those homes in a legal non-conforming status. And

[0:50:06] Voice 8: And that legal non-conforming status, of course, has nothing to do with the use because the use will continue.

[0:50:13] Voice 8: It would simply mean that their houses are larger than the current bylaws.

[0:50:19] Voice 8: Now, the only concern that we've heard or the predominant concern we've had was that if something should happen to that house,

[0:50:28] Voice 8: either through a natural events, wildfire or fire, that they would be penalized.

[0:50:34] Voice 8: And as I said, we are looking towards implementing and including some provision that would protect those people with their existing homes in the same size and the same.

[0:50:47] Voice 8: And we'll get into those discussions hopefully next week or next month.

[0:50:54] Voice 5: Trustee Wright, just for the minutes, when you were talking about house size, were you talking about a total house size or just building footprint?

[0:51:02] Voice 5: print uh

[0:51:04] Voice 8: no those are the floor area sizes of the houses okay

[0:51:07] Voice 5: thank you okay

[0:51:08] Voice 8: maybe

[0:51:09] Voice 3: just to add to

[0:51:10] Voice 3: that a little bit yeah you know and again we're you know we're uh checking our numbers but you

[0:51:16] Voice 3: know we've i think i think for a long time there's been a you know a a you know a sort of a perception

[0:51:22] Voice 3: or a comment out there that you know anything that would change the house sizes from uh the

[0:51:29] Voice 3: the maximum house sizes from what they are currently in the land use bylaw would have

[0:51:34] Voice 3: broad implications for many, many homes across the island and that there would be vast numbers

[0:51:39] Voice 3: of people that would be legally non-conforming. And so we thought, let's actually try and get to

[0:51:47] Voice 3: the bottom of this. And so we are happy to share this with everybody that is interested, but we've

[0:51:53] Voice 3: We've taken the time to put together, and we're not done yet, but we're taking the time to put together a comprehensive spreadsheet of every property on the island, every residential property on the island, and then using BC assessment data, looking at the relationship between the house size and the property size.

[0:52:19] Voice 3: size. So we can look at it, you know, using filters, we can look at it in a multitude of

[0:52:24] Voice 3: ways in terms of total house size, regardless of the property size or, or house size based on

[0:52:29] Voice 3: against specific lot sizes. And I think, to Steve's point, I think we're going to find that a lot of

[0:52:35] Voice 3: a lot of people will be surprised that that the existing inventory of homes,

[0:52:41] Voice 3: the average size is perhaps not as big as people thought. And and the interesting thing,

[0:52:48] Voice 3: and this is going to be part of the discussion around maximum house size is that if is if the

[0:52:52] Voice 3: predominant stock of housing is is y but our current bylaws as they are right now allow homes

[0:53:00] Voice 3: to be built to x then we shouldn't be surprised in the future if the character of our of our island

[0:53:07] Voice 3: and the way things are uh the the predominant form of massing changes from what it is now

[0:53:14] Voice 3: because again, the existing provisions in the bylaw

[0:53:21] Voice 3: are probably far more generous and far more,

[0:53:25] Voice 3: gets far a much greater ability for larger homes

[0:53:29] Voice 3: than the current sort of characteristic of our Island.

[0:53:34] Voice 3: Can

[0:53:36] Trustee Patrick: I just clarify that so that you two

[0:53:39] Trustee Patrick: are collecting data on house sizes

[0:53:44] Trustee Patrick: and working together on collecting the data?

[0:53:47] Voice 3: I wouldn't say we're, I wouldn't,

[0:53:48] Voice 3: I mean, there's nothing nefarious about this.

[0:53:50] Voice 3: It's simply public information.

[0:53:52] Voice 3: You know, anybody can do this.

[0:53:56] Voice 3: Anybody in the world could do this.

[0:53:57] Voice 3: It's simply a matter of looking at every property

[0:54:02] Voice 3: on the island and looking to see

[0:54:04] Voice 3: what's publicly available through BC assessment.

[0:54:07] Voice 3: What information is publicly out there

[0:54:10] Voice 3: regarding both lot size and house size.

[0:54:13] Voice 3: people can draw their own conclusions if they like but um but yes i'm that's exactly right

[0:54:22] Trustee Patrick: now i think it's interesting data is very important um uh i know for north pender they

[0:54:29] Trustee Patrick: were quite uh planner stockville put together the building permits over the last how many years kim

[0:54:35] Trustee Patrick: did you look at three two years two two years i have the attendees list in front of you um

[0:54:42] Trustee Patrick: Um, and, uh, it was, uh, people are building smaller houses.

[0:54:47] Trustee Patrick: Um, I don't remember what the numbers were, but it was, uh, it was quite surprising.

[0:54:53] Trustee Patrick: Um, and I also, I, I've shared some data from, uh, Gabriola.

[0:54:58] Trustee Patrick: I don't, uh, Island, if you, if you want to show there's a map that they did on build

[0:55:03] Trustee Patrick: out potential, which I thought was a useful piece of information too.

[0:55:07] Trustee Patrick: Um, I don't know if Kim can share that.

[0:55:10] Trustee Patrick: I just thought the way it was presented from Gabriela did for their housing impact and

[0:55:15] Trustee Patrick: options project that they're doing um that's not it yep that's it there

[0:55:21] Planner Stockdill: you got it okay

[0:55:22] Planner Stockdill: so

[0:55:23] Trustee Patrick: I thought that was a useful presentation of how many what is the build-out potential so how

[0:55:30] Trustee Patrick: many houses are we talking about that are coming on stream or could come on stream

[0:55:34] Voice 8: currently south pender has 272 homes and there is 120 uh of um undeveloped lots

[0:55:45] Voice 8: including

[0:55:47] Trustee Patrick: subdivision uh subdivision potential uh

[0:55:51] Voice 8: we haven't got um that deep into it yet but

[0:55:55] Voice 8: they're um i'll have um i'll have to get back to you next month i haven't finished it off yet

[0:56:01] Voice 8: Yeah.

[0:56:03] Voice 9: Yeah. We did a subdivision potential mapping in 2016, I think.

[0:56:07] Voice 9: Yes.

[0:56:07] Voice 8: I think that's where the 120 came from.

[0:56:12] So of

[0:56:14] Voice 3: course,

[0:56:15] Voice 3: the other thing that's interesting about this is is not only the subdivision

[0:56:18] Voice 3: potential,

[0:56:19] Voice 3: but also identification of the number of properties that are unimproved on,

[0:56:26] Voice 3: in other words, vacant properties. So, you know, I think it's all, you know,

[0:56:30] Voice 3: you're a, you, you like data, Laura. So I think there's, you know, I think,

[0:56:34] Voice 3: I think it's just going to be I think it's going to be good for everybody like I said happy to

[0:56:37] Voice 3: share with with everybody put it on the trustee corner website or something yeah

[0:56:46] Voice 8: I think they're

[0:56:46] Voice 8: I think the the principle that we're that's driving this project is the is rural character

[0:56:54] Voice 8: and there is a clear direction in our official community plan that the character is important

[0:57:02] Voice 8: and the residential housing is a predominant

[0:57:05] Voice 8: and shall be the predominant development on the island.

[0:57:08] Voice 8: We do ask and are fortunate that most of our residents

[0:57:13] Voice 8: are probably the best stewards of the environment.

[0:57:17] Voice 8: And all we are asking now is that they also be stewards

[0:57:21] Voice 8: of the natural and rural character of the islands as well.

[0:57:26] Voice 8: We're not trying to deny anybody

[0:57:29] Voice 8: the peaceful enjoyment of their property, so to speak.

[0:57:33] Voice 8: And I understand that people cherish their individuality

[0:57:38] Voice 8: and believe strongly in that they should have the ability

[0:57:44] Voice 8: to do as they please on the islands and their property.

[0:57:51] Voice 8: But that is not necessarily a legitimate concern

[0:57:57] Voice 8: concerned because these islands are within the Islands Trust area, which has been recognized

[0:58:02] Voice 8: since 1974 as a protected area. And one of the things that we consider is valuable, not only

[0:58:10] Voice 8: through the trust mandate and policy statement, but also in ROCP, is the rural and natural

[0:58:15] Voice 8: character of the islands. We have seen a trend, a growing trend in larger developments of

[0:58:26] Voice 8: of properties, we're seeing a trend

[0:58:29] Voice 8: in people buying pieces of property,

[0:58:32] Voice 8: admiring the view, admiring trees.

[0:58:34] Voice 8: And then the first thing that takes place

[0:58:38] Voice 8: is the lots are being cleared lot line to lot line

[0:58:41] Voice 8: in some cases, not all of course.

[0:58:44] Voice 8: And that has created some anxiety

[0:58:47] Voice 8: on the part of neighboring properties.

[0:58:50] Voice 8: So all we are hoping is that through the manifestation

[0:58:57] Voice 8: station of our community plan policies that we can sort of ensure some stability in the type

[0:59:13] Voice 8: of development that best befits the environment and the character of South Pender Island.

[0:59:19] Voice 9: Yes, go ahead.

[0:59:21] Voice 9: So yeah, so hearing that conversation, I'm sort of seeing maybe a

[0:59:27] Voice 9: potential third project um something along the lines of lub amendments that would implement ocp

[0:59:36] Voice 9: policies to protect rural character so looking at floor area and then derelict vehicles and

[0:59:44] Voice 9: machinery shipping containers are the the other ones that sort of jump out at me in that list

[0:59:48] Voice 9: that um that's in the staff report yeah

[0:59:52] Voice 8: i think we can take the derelict vehicles off the list

[0:59:55] Voice 8: because that was put on only to help.

[1:00:00] Voice 8: our enforcement officers that if they needed stronger wording within our bylaws to help them

[1:00:08] Voice 8: delineate what exactly what the what they were trying to enforce. And we got word back from

[1:00:13] Voice 8: Warren that our wording is sufficient. So I'm not concerned about that anymore. So that's come off

[1:00:19] Voice 8: the list. Steel boxes, I think that's a fairly simple item. They are becoming more prevalent.

[1:00:30] Voice 8: and more people are using them.

[1:00:31] Voice 8: So I think it's simply a question

[1:00:33] Voice 8: that we recognize them as an accessory building

[1:00:36] Voice 8: if the community desires them.

[1:00:39] Voice 8: Certainly to have them screened

[1:00:41] Voice 8: if people feel they're not aesthetically pleasing

[1:00:45] Voice 8: and limit the number of ones,

[1:00:48] Voice 8: perhaps either one per acre until you get to five acres

[1:00:53] Voice 8: to a maximum number of, I don't know, five, six,

[1:00:56] Voice 8: the larger properties.

[1:00:58] Voice 8: We have noticed that agriculture properties are using them for a number of purposes,

[1:01:07] Voice 8: either for storage of machinery and equipment or even for feed,

[1:01:11] Voice 8: even for creating places for greenhouse effects or something like that or getting things going.

[1:01:19] Voice 8: So I think as a structure, they seem to be extremely useful.

[1:01:25] Voice 8: they're affordable and the best thing about them is that they are are to some degree portable

[1:01:32] Voice 8: so I think if they're if they are being used I think we should recognize the fact that they

[1:01:39] Voice 8: are being used and be a little pragmatic in their bylaw and allow them

[1:01:46] Voice 3: agreed I mean I I know again

[1:01:51] Voice 3: this conversation has been going on for a while and both on our island and and on on North Pender

[1:01:57] Voice 3: as well um i i think they are yeah they are for all the reasons that you've identified steve they're

[1:02:03] Voice 3: they make sense in a lot of in a lot of applications i think it's important again

[1:02:09] Voice 3: properly cited respecting setbacks and and and some form of screening i mean if you stick if

[1:02:16] Voice 3: you you know if you it's it's one of those things i think we're gonna have to think about obviously

[1:02:21] Voice 3: Obviously, if somebody, you know, lots of guys that are building houses would have a would drop off a storage container for the duration of the construction project.

[1:02:33] Voice 3: That's that's that's one use. And you wouldn't expect there to be screening for something like that.

[1:02:41] Voice 3: But if somebody is using a steel structure, you know, for the long term in, you know, some consideration should be given to, you know, ways to appropriately screen it.

[1:02:54] Voice 3: I mean, they can look great. You know, they can, you know, maybe they can stand on their own two feet sometimes when when, you know, when properly situated and and and and and I guess even sometimes people do some cool things that look kind of contemporary.

[1:03:12] Voice 3: On the other hand, they can be kind of an eyesore. So some consideration of how they could be screened should be part of that conversation, I think.

[1:03:23] Voice 3: is there any examples on other islands robert that you're aware of where

[1:03:25] Voice 3: where how how these shipping containers are being um you know any provisions around shipping

[1:03:33] Voice 3: containers or or or not not

[1:03:34] Voice 9: aware of any specifically i mean they're treated as an

[1:03:37] Voice 9: accessory structure essentially um they have to be set back from lot lines they can't exceed the

[1:03:43] Voice 9: height um but other than that i'm not aware of any that specifically add you know additional

[1:03:50] Voice 9: additional requirements um for shipping containers than for any other accessory building or structure

[1:03:57] Voice 8: okay uh so are they are i take it you're saying that um people can have as many as they want as

[1:04:06] Voice 8: long as they don't go over the allowable limit of floor area allowed for accessory buildings

[1:04:11] Voice 8: is that correct that's

[1:04:12] Voice 9: right yeah that's how that's how it's treated yeah

[1:04:14] Voice 8: okay well that might

[1:04:18] Voice 8: we'll check the bylaws and see how that relates.

[1:04:24] Voice 8: And perhaps the only other thing we might require

[1:04:27] Voice 8: is the screening on that in that case.

[1:04:29] Voice 8: That might be a fairly simple, simple idea.

[1:04:33] Voice 8: And since we're speaking about agricultural land,

[1:04:38] Voice 8: in my discussions with the agricultural land reserves,

[1:04:43] Voice 8: they have changed some of the regulations

[1:04:46] Voice 8: and they have also implemented some policies.

[1:04:49] Voice 8: And as the fellow that I spoke to,

[1:04:52] Voice 8: he said that they're leaving it up to local authorities

[1:04:56] Voice 8: to regulate residential siting structures.

[1:05:04] Voice 8: If they want to be reduced from their 5,400 square foot

[1:05:08] Voice 8: maximum, the local authorities can do that.

[1:05:12] Voice 8: Siting of other buildings, access points

[1:05:15] Voice 8: and all that stuff, they do not regulate it.

[1:05:19] Voice 8: They have policies only, and therefore they are voluntary.

[1:05:24] Voice 8: And he suggested that, particularly in our cases

[1:05:28] Voice 8: where the majority of our farmland is in smaller parcels,

[1:05:32] Voice 8: that they sort of look to the larger ranches and larger areas.

[1:05:39] Voice 8: But he also did say that the smaller areas,

[1:05:43] Voice 8: such as in Metro Vancouver,

[1:05:44] Voice 8: they've had a number of complaints about them

[1:05:47] Voice 8: in that people are buying agricultural land

[1:05:51] Voice 8: and treating them as estates with no intention of farming.

[1:05:55] Voice 8: And one of the huge advantages of that, of course,

[1:05:59] Voice 8: is that they only pay 50% of assessed property taxes.

[1:06:03] Voice 8: And so we certainly want to avoid that

[1:06:06] Voice 8: from happening here on the islands.

[1:06:09] Voice 8: In my discussions with several farmers on North and South Pender, I guess the key thing that I've found is that everyone is different.

[1:06:25] Voice 8: Everybody has a different idea of farming.

[1:06:27] Voice 8: Everybody has different objectives and goals with their farms and different ways of farming.

[1:06:33] Voice 8: And so my sense is that I would I'd like to I'd like to help out the people in agricultural land that are getting older or want to expand, but they simply cannot do it without helpers and or farm workers.

[1:06:53] Voice 8: And the difficulty with that is having housing or a place to stay for their farm workers.

[1:07:00] Voice 8: Our bylaws don't really address that.

[1:07:03] Voice 8: And we certainly can't address every one of the different forms of agriculture in a bylaw.

[1:07:13] Voice 8: So rather than have a blanket approach, what I'd like to do is try and get to a point where we can deal with it on a site-specific basis.

[1:07:23] Voice 8: um as requested by farmers so rather than simply say yes you can have a cottage when some farm

[1:07:30] Voice 8: workers would prefer in a larger operation would prefer to have a bunkhouse and so i would uh and

[1:07:36] Voice 8: and and the size of a cottage won't really relate to a bunkhouse so i would like to um i'd like to

[1:07:43] Voice 8: take a look at the agricultural land bylaw and see if we can't come to some way of allowing

[1:07:54] Voice 8: the owner to have housing for farm workers either either temporary or full-time seasonal or full-time

[1:08:01] Voice 8: and there's also a question that has been brought to me was that many of the agriculture farm

[1:08:11] Voice 8: lands are now looking at the question of succession and and what they do because

[1:08:17] Voice 8: to hand it on to their children.

[1:08:19] Voice 8: So the other item is we have a policy

[1:08:22] Voice 8: in our community plan that would allow additional housing

[1:08:28] Voice 8: on lots that are subdividable and allow that housing

[1:08:32] Voice 8: to take place to prevent further subdivision.

[1:08:36] Voice 8: And so we are allowed to have a single residence on a farm,

[1:08:42] Voice 8: but if a family comes in and their sons and daughters

[1:08:46] Voice 8: need a house then I would like also like to look at the possibility of allowing an additional

[1:08:52] Voice 8: residence if in in exchange for the potential of subdivision so that we can maintain the larger

[1:08:58] Voice 8: lot sizes as much as possible so I know this is this is kind of a lot think about right now but

[1:09:05] Voice 8: this is these are the number of issues that have come up in in my looking at the agriculture and

[1:09:12] Voice 8: and talking to different people

[1:09:14] Voice 8: that have agricultural lands.

[1:09:16] Voice 8: So that's, well, I'll try and get that all sorted out

[1:09:20] Voice 8: and put it in written form,

[1:09:22] Voice 8: but that's, I just wanted to give you an update

[1:09:23] Voice 8: on that's where I'm coming from

[1:09:26] Voice 8: for agricultural land use amendments.

[1:09:31] Voice 3: Just on that, yeah, I mean,

[1:09:34] Voice 3: you took the words out of my mouth

[1:09:35] Voice 3: in a lot of those cases, Steve.

[1:09:38] Voice 3: Certainly I see it, you know,

[1:09:39] Voice 3: every time I drive through Richmond,

[1:09:41] Voice 3: I think that's probably one of your best examples

[1:09:42] Voice 3: where you're seeing, you know, these, in some cases, huge, huge buildings that are sort of

[1:09:51] Voice 3: squat out in the middle of the field, the field, the fields lay fallow, and there's a big house

[1:09:57] Voice 3: there. And there's obviously no intentions to do any agricultural work. And as you say, Steve,

[1:10:03] Voice 3: they're, they're benefiting from a reduced tax rate. I think we want to look at, we want to look

[1:10:12] Voice 3: at some of the things, and I think you outlined them in greater detail in your work plan, you

[1:10:18] Voice 3: know, looking at how we could look at setbacks on, on these large properties so that we could

[1:10:27] Voice 3: but encourage buildings not to be placed

[1:10:31] Voice 3: in the most productive areas of the field,

[1:10:35] Voice 3: but perhaps hold them closer

[1:10:37] Voice 3: to the margins of the properties.

[1:10:40] Voice 3: Also like the idea of clustering of buildings

[1:10:45] Voice 3: where it makes sense.

[1:10:47] Voice 3: And I appreciate Barb Johnston Grimmer last night emailed,

[1:10:52] Voice 3: emailed, I think all of us, with some information on the, I guess it's called an intentions paper

[1:11:00] Voice 3: that was put out by the Ministry of Agriculture on residential flexibility in the ALR. And I think

[1:11:06] Voice 3: I've started to read that through. I think it's worth looking at. And I think it goes to a lot

[1:11:12] Voice 3: of what Steve is saying. So the idea, of course, is, you know, the underlying goals of protecting

[1:11:18] Voice 3: protecting farmland so that it can be productive and addressing the mega mansions and the speculations in the LR, those kind of objectives remain paramount, but they're also looking at other areas to provide flexibility, including, you know, clustering of homes and allowing a little bit more flexibility

[1:11:43] Voice 3: for the housing needs of different farms

[1:11:46] Voice 3: that vary across the province.

[1:11:49] Voice 3: So I think it's something to look at

[1:11:52] Voice 3: as we get into this one,

[1:11:53] Voice 3: but obviously want to make this an issue

[1:11:58] Voice 3: that we deal with under the LUB.

[1:12:01] Trustee Patrick: Now, this is a very specific,

[1:12:06] Trustee Patrick: this is a specific project.

[1:12:10] Voice 5: Can I just interrupt again?

[1:12:13] Voice 5: Trustee Thorne,

[1:12:13] Voice 5: what was the name of the document that um barb johnson grimmer referred you to

[1:12:19] Voice 3: it's called the

[1:12:20] Voice 3: ministry of agricultural uh policy intentions paper okay

[1:12:26] Voice 5: residential

[1:12:27] Voice 3: flexibility in the alr

[1:12:31] Voice 5: okay thanks but

[1:12:38] Voice 3: but yes chair you're right this is a i mean i guess maybe i'll look for some

[1:12:42] Voice 3: guidance on on this from robert you know there if i look at our staff report there was a number

[1:12:47] Voice 3: of things that were grouped under potential lub amendments and that was item number two i think

[1:12:52] Voice 3: obviously item item one is something we want to deal with item two is something we want to deal

[1:12:56] Voice 3: with item three we agreed could be removed um item five it seems to me is something that probably

[1:13:08] Voice 3: would be better grouped under that other under the ocp item that we talked about so we could

[1:13:13] Voice 3: simplify the things under the LUB. Now whether those are all, and then I guess to my question

[1:13:21] Voice 3: to you Robert, with the remaining items under this component of your staff report, would those be

[1:13:30] Voice 3: things that perhaps could be sort of an omnibus LUB amendment or not?

[1:13:35] Voice 9: Yeah that's what Kim's recommendation was that essentially these LUB amendment items

[1:13:42] Voice 9: are sort of regrouped together.

[1:13:45] Voice 9: The agricultural one might be like a longer conversation.

[1:13:49] Voice 9: It sounds like, you know, there's a lot of permutations

[1:13:52] Voice 9: and as trustee Wright points out, every lot's different

[1:13:57] Voice 9: and it's gonna be hard to find,

[1:14:02] Voice 9: identify regulatory changes that would have an effect

[1:14:08] Voice 9: because different given the diversity of the size of agricultural properties in South Bender

[1:14:15] Voice 9: but it could at least initially be included as potential amendments and you could decide to

[1:14:22] Voice 9: maybe park that later on as you get into the details and the complexity of it but certainly

[1:14:29] Voice 9: the shipping containers and any other small amendments the floor area one it's going to

[1:14:37] Voice 9: involve some community consultation but um and discussion but um in terms of the actual amendment

[1:14:43] Voice 9: itself there's the existing floor air regulations and so it sounds like you're just looking at

[1:14:48] Voice 9: amending that so from a technical point of view it's relatively straightforward um and yeah pulling

[1:14:55] Voice 9: this pulling the natural boundary of the sea out and putting that in a separate like a shoreline

[1:14:59] Voice 9: project, where it's looking at all potential changes, both OCP and LUB, that relate to a

[1:15:07] Voice 9: short-line protection initiative.

[1:15:12] Voice 5: Josephine?

[1:15:13] Voice 3: Yeah, just thanks, Robert.

[1:15:14] Voice 3: One question.

[1:15:16] Voice 3: Again, certainly I've got an open mind to it on the topic of maximum floor area.

[1:15:22] Voice 3: area. As you know, the way that our current bylaw has laid this out is that we've got categories of

[1:15:33] Voice 3: lot size. And then under that category, we have a certain amount of, we have a maximum floor area

[1:15:42] Voice 3: that you can build a house to. And so the interesting thing is, you've got a situation

[1:15:49] Voice 3: where maybe in, in, for a property that is less than an acre, you know, the

[1:15:56] Voice 3: maximum house size

[1:15:57] Voice 3: is 3,800 square feet. And then so you could be 0.99 of an acre and be at 3,900. And then you

[1:16:07] Voice 3: you could be 1.01 and be 4,500.

[1:16:13] Voice 3: It's just the way things work.

[1:16:16] Voice 3: And so one thing,

[1:16:19] Voice 3: and I know we've been kicking this thing around for a while,

[1:16:22] Voice 3: and I think other islands within the Federation

[1:16:27] Voice 3: are also talking about this,

[1:16:28] Voice 3: is perhaps looking at whether this should be looked at

[1:16:33] Voice 3: as an FAR approach, whatever size we come up with,

[1:16:36] Voice 3: because i think it's gonna it'll it'll it'll it'll sort of help adjust some of these these um

[1:16:44] Voice 3: deviations or or or you know abrupt changes based on small differences in a lot area yep yeah that

[1:16:51] Voice 9: was that was as you know one of the options that was discussed uh during the lub review and uh

[1:16:57] Voice 9: and north pender still one of the options on north pender although i think they're focusing in on

[1:17:03] Voice 9: on a tiered approach, just kind of like South Bender has now.

[1:17:10] Voice 8: Yeah, that's one thing that kind of caught me,

[1:17:14] Voice 8: is that there's a lot of 0.96, 0.97, 9.8,

[1:17:18] Voice 8: and then there's 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, and there are a lot of them.

[1:17:23] Voice 8: And so I think that sort of saying that one size fits this acreage

[1:17:28] Voice 8: and another fits another is is probably going to be a little more difficult and i think the

[1:17:33] Voice 8: far route might be uh the one that that we need to explore further for sure um

[1:17:41] Voice 8: with your in your comment to a uh agricultural land um because of the diversity and different

[1:17:47] Voice 8: approaches um my i would kind of i'm wondering whether uh the simplest approach might be

[1:17:55] Voice 8: to have um regulations set uh as simple as possible and then have uh property owners or

[1:18:05] Voice 8: farmers um actually simply apply for a variance to their lot and they can tell us what they need

[1:18:11] Voice 8: if they need a bunkhouse and then we can accommodate them on a bunkhouse and if another

[1:18:15] Voice 8: guy just needs an extra house for his family then we can deal with it on a site-specific basis and

[1:18:21] Voice 8: And that keeps our bylaws simple, and we can deal with it on a site-specific and more in line with what property owners actually need rather than what we're trying to tell them to pay.

[1:18:31] Voice 9: Yeah, that's kind of the approach.

[1:18:33] Voice 9: The LTC had this discussion last year, right, as part of the alternate housing project before it was narrowed down just to look at recreational vehicles.

[1:18:42] Voice 9: It also included potentially looking at bunk houses and farm worker accommodation.

[1:18:46] Voice 9: And one of the options that was discussed in one of the rationales for not looking at amending it last year was that one tool is temporary use permits for farmers that need worker accommodation, and that temporary use permit tool is flexible enough that it could be allow a bunkhouse, it could allow a small cottage, it could allow a recreational vehicle, it could allow a mobile home.

[1:19:10] Voice 9: um and it addresses the fact that farm worker accommodation tends to be of a seasonal and

[1:19:17] Voice 9: temporary nature yeah

[1:19:19] Voice 8: i as and i and my response to that was i don't like temporary solutions for

[1:19:24] Voice 8: uh to be for used in in permanent situations i i think that um that this i think agriculture

[1:19:35] Voice 8: is tough enough to make a living out and i i really don't want to increase their costs and

[1:19:39] Voice 8: and the problems associated and take up their time that they spend on the farm to deal with

[1:19:47] Voice 8: applying for temporary use permits and all this sort of stuff. I think if someone comes up to us

[1:19:53] Voice 8: that has a farming plan and tells us what they need in order to manifest it, then I would prefer

[1:20:00] Voice 8: prefer just to make it a site-specific, I just don't deal directly with them and enable

[1:20:12] Voice 8: whatever it takes in order to make that plan viable.

[1:20:17] Voice 8: I

[1:20:18] Voice 9: mean, the landowner can always make an application for rezoning themselves.

[1:20:23] Voice 9: It's costly, right?

[1:20:24] Voice 9: Of course, as you sort of alluded to with the temporary use permit process, rezoning,

[1:20:29] Voice 9: if that's what you're looking for.

[1:20:31] Voice 8: Would it require rezoning?

[1:20:32] Voice 9: multiply that 10 times in terms of

[1:20:34] Voice 8: the cost and the time involved

[1:20:36] Voice 9: the other option that i think

[1:20:38] Voice 9: you're getting at is um you know sort of establish a period of time under which and do some

[1:20:45] Voice 9: consultation with farm operators and identify some site-specific amendments that the ltc could

[1:20:52] Voice 9: subsequently make as a project like a future project where you might make some some targeted

[1:20:58] Voice 9: at specific amendments to specific locations okay

[1:21:02] Voice 8: but if we dealt with it on a site specific

[1:21:05] Voice 8: it would require rezoning that's that to me

[1:21:07] Voice 9: well no that's that's there's two ways

[1:21:09] Voice 9: can be resolved right one is that the initiative of the landowner yeah create an application the

[1:21:15] Voice 9: other is that the initiative of the local government by changing your own bylaws and so

[1:21:20] Voice 9: that that would be a project that the ltc could undertake and

[1:21:25] Planner Stockdill: to clarify as well a development

[1:21:27] Planner Stockdill: variance permit um can't vary use or density as a reminder so a

[1:21:32] Planner Stockdill: dvp wouldn't necessarily be

[1:21:34] Planner Stockdill: uh the appropriate uh solution to that as robert mentioned uh in a situation where they would need

[1:21:41] Planner Stockdill: something where time is of an issue and cost temporary use permit would be um the best solution

[1:21:49] Planner Stockdill: that

[1:21:53] Voice 8: is unfortunate and depressing

[1:21:57] I

[1:21:58] Voice 9: mean you sort of talked about you know individual operators essentially identifying

[1:22:02] Voice 9: their own needs and and you know maybe where the regulations don't work for that specific location

[1:22:10] Voice 9: or that specific operation and then um the LTC could uh initiate some amendments to

[1:22:21] Voice 9: the land use bylaws specifically for that location right to allow farm worker housing but only in

[1:22:26] Voice 9: this location and that could be a local trust committee initiated amendment to the bylaw

[1:22:31] Voice 9: but i'd suggest you know you'd want to spend some time to gather that information so that

[1:22:37] Voice 9: might be

[1:22:37] Voice 9: something like have a special apc um spend some time coming up with some recommendations

[1:22:43] Voice 9: so that would be that to me sounds like a future project like literally next term that would be

[1:22:48] Voice 8: something. I'll talk to the agricultural landowners and get their thoughts on it.

[1:22:56] Voice 8: The other matter that has caused a number of emails is the question around shoreline access.

[1:23:07] Voice 8: The intention of considering amendments and removing stairs as permitted use along the shoreline is to try and address the growing trend of people who have high bank waterfront properties

[1:23:36] Voice 8: and are prepared to spend the money in order to construct stairs leading down to the foreshore.

[1:23:45] Voice 8: I don't have a problem with people being on the shore.

[1:23:49] Voice 8: My concern is that some of these structures are starting to have a detrimental impact

[1:23:58] Voice 8: on the character and the aesthetics of our shoreline.

[1:24:02] Voice 8: and without causing too much distress to main island but i think if you're on the ferry and

[1:24:09] Voice 8: you're running into village bay from pender island and you look to your right and see the

[1:24:13] Voice 8: number of stairways cascading down sheer rock cliffs i don't i find that is pretty detrimental

[1:24:24] Voice 8: to um what was uh uh an extremely attractive shoreline i i i've been on and traveled through

[1:24:35] Voice 8: these islands um i think the first trip i made was when i was 12 years old and i and i had a boat

[1:24:41] Voice 8: and i went through all these islands and um even when i i first came here 40 years ago one of the

[1:24:48] Voice 8: the things that struck me was that the shoreline was fairly unadorned. And I understand that lots

[1:25:00] Voice 8: have been created and housing takes place. But I think if there's anything iconic about these

[1:25:07] Voice 8: islands, it is our shoreline. And so I would like to, again, come up with some regulation

[1:25:20] Voice 8: that maintains the appearance of that shoreline

[1:25:25] Voice 8: in as much a natural state as possible.

[1:25:29] Voice 8: Those people that have low bank or have areas

[1:25:33] Voice 8: where there is a natural egress to the shore,

[1:25:36] Voice 8: I don't have a problem with creating whatever access they require,

[1:25:41] Voice 8: and preferably it would be through as much natural means as possible.

[1:25:47] Voice 8: But I think if people want shoreline access, then they shouldn't be purchasing a piece of property that's got an 80-foot high rock bank to it.

[1:26:01] Voice 8: And so in spite of how that may offend some property owners, I would like to refer this item to the APC on shoreline access of high bank areas to get their opinion and get hopefully some suggestions on how we can mitigate some of the impacts.

[1:26:32] Voice 8: aesthetically and environmentally to the construction of stairs that have very steep

[1:26:43] Voice 8: rises, extend themselves over a great length of area, and that require a certain amount of

[1:26:53] Voice 8: landings and structural components that begin to degrade the aesthetic qualities of the shoreline.

[1:27:00] Trustee Patrick: Would the shoreline access be part of this overall coastal project that we had talked about?

[1:27:06] Voice 8: It is, but because it affects a lot of people, I'd just like to get some initial thoughts on it from our APC.

[1:27:15] Voice 8: I want to assure people that if they do have them currently, we are not expecting them to dismantle them.

[1:27:24] Voice 8: We are not expecting them not to be able to maintain them.

[1:27:27] Voice 8: we are simply looking at trying to stop their prolification and if in the case that a property

[1:27:35] Voice 8: owner feels that he can accommodate some of the concerns that we have and wishes to apply for a

[1:27:45] Voice 8: variance and can show us that show the LTC at the time that it is aesthetically pleasing that it is

[1:27:52] Voice 8: not disruptive to the environment then that they should be allowed to have those stairs but

[1:27:58] Voice 8: But I think in some instances, there is absolutely no concern about their outward appearance or the impact it's having on the environment in their construction.

[1:28:09] Voice 8: So I, let me make a motion to that then. I move that the shoreline access be referred to our APC for their consideration and consideration of solutions. Let me put it that way.

[1:28:38] Voice 8: All right,

[1:28:43] Trustee Patrick: I'll give Kathy a moment there.

[1:28:44] Voice 8: You need some clarification on that, Kim?

[1:28:50] Voice 8: Kim.

[1:28:51] Planner Stockdill: Yeah, I was just wondering if you wanted to specifically add stairs in there. Shoreline

[1:28:56] Planner Stockdill: access. I'm wondering if...

[1:28:58] Voice 8: Oh, yeah, stairs. Good point. Yeah. Kathy, can you change that to

[1:29:03] Voice 8: stairs, please?

[1:29:04] Planner Stockdill: Are you hoping to have this response back by the May 7th LTC meeting? As

[1:29:10] Planner Stockdill: we've already referred those two other documents, they could potentially get this back to you by

[1:29:16] Planner Stockdill: may 7th but is that

[1:29:17] Planner Stockdill: what you're aiming for okay please

[1:29:19] Voice 8: can

[1:29:22] Voice 5: i make a suggestion trustee right that

[1:29:25] Voice 5: the um the motion read um that the that shoreline access stairways be referred to the apc for their

[1:29:34] Voice 5: consideration solutions yeah

[1:29:37] Voice 8: or or simply um shoreline stairs okay

[1:29:41] Voice 5: yeah

[1:29:42] Voice 8: when you're ready

[1:29:45] Trustee Patrick: kathy you can read that back okay

[1:29:48] Voice 5: uh that shoreline stairs be referred to the advisory

[1:29:51] Voice 5: your planning commission for their consideration and solutions and

[1:29:57] Voice 8: to be and to be oh sorry yeah

[1:30:01] Voice 5: And to report back?

[1:30:02] Voice 8: Correct, by the May 7th meeting.

[1:30:05] Voice 5: Okay.

[1:30:09] Trustee Patrick: All right, is that seconded?

[1:30:13] Trustee Patrick: Seconded by Trustee Thorne.

[1:30:14] Trustee Patrick: Any discussion?

[1:30:17] Voice 8: This is just a proposal, folks.

[1:30:21] Voice 3: No.

[1:30:22] Voice 3: Yeah, in terms of discussion,

[1:30:24] Voice 3: maybe just briefly before you call the vote,

[1:30:26] Voice 3: you know, I would think of the various comments

[1:30:31] Voice 3: that we've gotten back from folks here

[1:30:34] Voice 3: in the last couple of days.

[1:30:36] Voice 3: this is probably the one that's generated the most interest and um totally totally get it i

[1:30:44] Voice 3: totally understand um the the the reasons why people that live on the on the on the water

[1:30:52] Voice 3: would want access and so i and i'm you know don't again don't want to deny certainly a don't want

[1:31:00] Voice 3: want to deny anybody that's already got stairs in any way um um change that change the access

[1:31:07] Voice 3: that they currently have or change the ability to maintain it in the future um and like so many

[1:31:13] Voice 3: things on our island you know it's it's it's difficult to come up with one size fits all

[1:31:18] Voice 3: solutions here given that the the uh i mean it's part of what makes this place so special but the

[1:31:23] Voice 3: the varied topography is um is it is it is is is inherently challenging to say there's one one

[1:31:30] Voice 3: one size fits all for everything. And there, there's some cases where clearly, um, stairs work

[1:31:35] Voice 3: very, very well. And they're very, they're, they're very congruent with the landscape and

[1:31:41] Voice 3: they're, and, and, um, and, um, and there's no issues and there's other places where literally

[1:31:47] Voice 3: you've got sheer walls, um, um, that, that, you know, it, you know, a mountain goat couldn't get

[1:31:53] Voice 3: up and down there, but, but, you know, we're intent on putting stairs there. And, um, um,

[1:31:59] Voice 3: And it just seems like at some point in time that, you know, again, if we're being guided by our OCP, which certainly, you know, full disclosure, that's what my guidance is, is that when I look at the OCP, it does speak to topics on shoreline.

[1:32:19] Voice 3: If you look under 4.1 of the OCP, you know, there's language in there that gives guidance on this.

[1:32:26] Voice 3: So I think we want to give people as much access as possible, don't want to deny anybody access, but also want to do it in a way that doesn't affect the aesthetic qualities of the island and the shoreline.

[1:32:40] Voice 3: So I'm looking for solutions, not trying to be an obstructionist.

[1:32:46] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[1:32:48] Trustee Patrick: All right, you guys, I guess it's narrowing in on noon.

[1:32:51] Trustee Patrick: I don't remember how long we were supposed to be going today.

[1:32:53] Voice 3: I guess we should take a vote on that.

[1:32:56] Trustee Patrick: Thank you for reminding me.

[1:32:57] Trustee Patrick: 1230 is what we were scheduled for.

[1:33:00] Trustee Patrick: i'll i'll wake up need more coffee um any further discussion no i'll call the vote then all those

[1:33:07] Trustee Patrick: in favor that's carried can

[1:33:09] Voice 3: i come back to one thing as we are working our way down the the you

[1:33:13] Voice 3: know the the clock here the one thing that i think we parked and didn't actually come back to was

[1:33:18] Voice 3: earlier on in our conversation we talked about the ocp uh amendments and the minor amendments

[1:33:25] Voice 3: But I don't think we took a, I don't think we voted on actually moving that thing forward.

[1:33:31] Voice 3: I don't know if

[1:33:31] Voice 9: this is the

[1:33:31] Voice 3: time where you want to, you know, take your guidance on, just don't want it to be forgotten before we get through the meeting.

[1:33:39] Voice 9: Yeah, that would be the last thing I would sort of be asking the LTC if you're winding up your conversation is,

[1:33:44] Voice 9: is you've taken the two projects off the top priorities list

[1:33:48] Voice 9: that are in their final stages,

[1:33:52] Voice 9: kind of parked the groundwater project to come back to that.

[1:33:58] Voice 9: Just consider whether or not you wanna move that

[1:34:00] Voice 9: to the projects list.

[1:34:01] Voice 9: And then do you wanna add the projects

[1:34:05] Voice 9: that you've been sort of forming

[1:34:07] Voice 9: through this previous discussion?

[1:34:09] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:34:10] Voice 8: Okay, well, I would move that the South Bender Island Local Trust Committee add land use

[1:34:17] Voice 8: by-law amendments to the South Bender Island LTC top priority list.

[1:34:26] Trustee Patrick: Did you want the staff to report back with a project charter?

[1:34:30] Trustee Patrick: I

[1:34:30] Voice 8: just want to put it on the priority list.

[1:34:33] Voice 8: And then I think the motion for a project list and where we're going with them all,

[1:34:38] Voice 8: we should advance at the next meeting.

[1:34:40] Voice 8: And that will give us a chance to do some more research and formulate our thoughts and

[1:34:44] Voice 8: and exactly how, what shape, what form,

[1:34:47] Voice 8: and essentially, as you said, Chair,

[1:34:49] Voice 8: make sure that we know what we're asking for

[1:34:52] Voice 8: and what our expectations are.

[1:34:53] Voice 8: That would be a little more helpful to staff, perhaps.

[1:34:58] Voice 9: And you'll hear back from the APC potentially as well.

[1:35:00] Voice 9: Yeah, exactly.

[1:35:02] Voice 8: So I'd just like to end it at that,

[1:35:04] Voice 8: and then it's on the list and we can define it later.

[1:35:07] Voice 8: Is

[1:35:07] Trustee Patrick: that appropriate for those colleagues?

[1:35:10] Trustee Patrick: I was gonna say, Cathy,

[1:35:11] Trustee Patrick: did you get that,

[1:35:12] Trustee Patrick: that just placing it on the priority list not not the and that staff report back part is not in the

[1:35:21] Trustee Patrick: motion i think i've got that

[1:35:23] Voice 5: um that the ltc at or sorry that the land use bylaw amendments to the

[1:35:29] Voice 5: local trust committee oops it was number

[1:35:34] Voice 5: three number three

[1:35:35] Trustee Patrick: and the on the staff report on page

[1:35:37] Trustee Patrick: page two of the agenda package?

[1:35:39] Voice 5: Right.

[1:35:40] Trustee Patrick: Except for the last phrase that begins with and.

[1:35:47] Trustee Patrick: Okay, sorry.

[1:35:51] Voice 5: Okay, that the SPI local trust committee

[1:35:53] Voice 5: add land use bylaw amendments

[1:35:55] Voice 5: to the South Bender Island LTC top priority last.

[1:35:58] Voice 5: And report just period.

[1:36:00] Trustee Patrick: Nope,

[1:36:01] Voice 5: period after priority list.

[1:36:03] Trustee Patrick: Okay, that's seconded by Trustee Thorne.

[1:36:05] Voice 3: No question from Trustee Thorne.

[1:36:07] Voice 3: Yeah, because if you read,

[1:36:08] Voice 3: unless I'm like right now to me it should be read maybe this maybe I'm missing something here

[1:36:15] Voice 3: that that that motion that we're going to vote on would would relate to items one two

[1:36:26] Voice 3: four and maybe six is that like do we need to enumerate which ones we're talking about here

[1:36:31] Voice 3: or is there clarity on

[1:36:32] Voice 9: that you can't you can but if I heard trustee writes you wanted

[1:36:36] Voice 9: to get it up

[1:36:36] Voice 9: there on the projects list and then flesh it out next meeting is that uh correct uh yeah i was

[1:36:43] Voice 8: thinking because um it would then we can also hear back from the apc and uh some of them may vary and

[1:36:50] Voice 8: some may be kicked off i i i i i'm just not prepared to be specific until until i absolutely

[1:36:59] Voice 8: clear my mind exactly what the approach we're taking and what we're looking for so but we're

[1:37:06] Voice 3: We're not sending, but on terms of the things going to the APC, is, sorry, is house size going to the APC?

[1:37:20] Voice 3: Well, there's nothing for them to speak to yet.

[1:37:22] Voice 8: Yeah, and I, and we don't, we haven't come, I don't have a complete set of data yet that I can make some sort of suggestion on exactly what those sizes should be.

[1:37:33] Voice 8: if you want to set if you want to send the principle of maximum housing floor area to the

[1:37:40] Voice 8: apc for their consideration um i'm okay with that but at

[1:37:43] Voice 3: the moment i mean they're gonna they're

[1:37:44] Voice 8: gonna rather be i'd rather be more specific and then give them a little more time to sink the

[1:37:49] Voice 8: teeth into it because it's gonna be very well

[1:37:51] Voice 3: i think i think we should i guess yeah i think we

[1:37:54] Voice 3: should sort of put a pin in it for right now just to sort of identify that that the items that are

[1:37:59] Voice 3: in the staff report are things that we want to add to the list but you're right i think we should

[1:38:02] Voice 3: come back at the next one with more concrete um direction and certainly you know i guess to

[1:38:09] Voice 3: everybody that's out there hopefully there's lots of people watching this is that obviously

[1:38:12] Voice 3: there's a there's a few things that that you know we want to hear back from the the public on on on

[1:38:18] Voice 3: these items um we're going to also as i say go out and do more empirical uh collect more empirical

[1:38:24] Voice 3: data on on existing inventory of houses um there is um um uh that the a newsletter that that will

[1:38:36] Voice 3: be going out to people that's going to be mailed out to people i know um staff have also put it on

[1:38:41] Voice 3: the trustee corner i believe and and it's an email people that receive subscriptions to our email

[1:38:46] Voice 3: system will have gotten and so hopefully that will generate some conversation between now and

[1:38:52] Voice 3: in the next LTC or generate people's thinking so that you know we we've got the benefit of

[1:38:57] Voice 3: people's thoughts on things as we as we as we come back in May how

[1:39:02] Voice 8: would it be um Cam if we

[1:39:04] Voice 8: simply leave the motion as is for the priority list and then add these items to the project list

[1:39:09] Voice 8: and then we can move them up from the project list into the priorities does that work Robert

[1:39:15] Voice 8: is that legitimate well

[1:39:17] Voice 9: yeah I mean it's it's

[1:39:19] Voice 8: it's kind of redundant but

[1:39:20] Voice 9: yeah it's one way you

[1:39:22] Voice 9: can do it i suppose yeah

[1:39:24] Voice 8: it's your call whatever you're comfortable with cameron did

[1:39:30] Trustee Patrick: you have a

[1:39:30] Trustee Patrick: question on

[1:39:31] Planner Stockdill: that or i i know sorry i had to um wanted to comment on something else so

[1:39:36] Planner Stockdill: yeah i

[1:39:37] Voice 3: mean i just i guess i want to i i want to identify these things as as um it's kind of hard

[1:39:45] Voice 3: i mean you know this is a this is a a a big topic where we want to be able to if we're going to

[1:39:52] Voice 3: to refer to the to the um to the apc we probably want something tangible for them to get their

[1:39:58] Voice 3: their teeth into but i think to my to my way of thinking is we've we've publicly stated that we

[1:40:03] Voice 3: want to review the house size we've explained that it ties back to the ocp and to our values

[1:40:11] Voice 3: around rural character and and uh preservation of uh of of the qualities uh freedom from disturbance

[1:40:20] Voice 3: disturbance. There's a bunch of different things that tie back to this item. I think that in

[1:40:25] Voice 3: combination with the fact that as we look forward to the development, you know, the ongoing evolution

[1:40:31] Voice 3: of the island that we want to make, that we want people to think about whether they wish to see

[1:40:37] Voice 3: a change to this sort of the tenure and the form of massing that currently exists on the island.

[1:40:44] Voice 3: And again, that information will be supported by this spreadsheet that we're working on.

[1:40:50] Voice 3: So I think hopefully, you know, we've planted the seeds with the community that this is

[1:40:54] Voice 3: a topic that we want to discuss for a bunch of different reasons.

[1:40:58] Voice 3: You know, let's take the time between now and next LTC date to hear back from people

[1:41:03] Voice 3: and also to encourage people to think about the house size in the context of the building

[1:41:12] Voice 3: design and siting guidelines in the sense that whatever the maximum house sizes could

[1:41:22] Voice 3: potentially be, that there would be an opportunity to consider a variance to that house size

[1:41:29] Voice 3: where those houses incorporate guidelines that support the goals and objectives of our

[1:41:35] Voice 3: OCP.

[1:41:36] Voice 3: So there's a number of things to sort of chew on here, but I'd like to hear people think

[1:41:41] Voice 3: Think about that. And then it gives us, again, more to be able to provide substantive direction

[1:41:47] Voice 3: on in the next meeting.

[1:41:49] Trustee Patrick: I'll note that the mood out there is very complex at the moment.

[1:41:59] Trustee Patrick: The pandemic, along with so many factors right now, I'm calling it kind of the perfect storm.

[1:42:08] Trustee Patrick: form you know so the the mood in the public right now is is very frustrated i think is probably a

[1:42:18] Trustee Patrick: way to sum it up but so i'm just just warning that you know the quality of some of the comments that

[1:42:23] Trustee Patrick: you know you would expect back are going to be difficult right now people have a lot on their

[1:42:27] Trustee Patrick: minds and and um you know so it's a very difficult time that

[1:42:32] Voice 3: that's true but i must say um again and

[1:42:35] Voice 3: And just, you know, in the last couple of days, we've we've we've had a range of comments.

[1:42:42] Voice 3: And, you know, there's certainly some people that have said, you know, why are we even talking about this?

[1:42:50] Voice 3: And there's no need to change anything. And and you're going to make a bunch of homes legally nonconforming.

[1:42:55] Voice 3: me. And I guess my respectful answer to some of those people is, you know, please take the time

[1:43:05] Voice 3: to review the OCP and, you know, ponder what its goals and objectives are and come back to us and

[1:43:14] Voice 3: let us know whether either you don't agree with the OCP or you think there's a better way to

[1:43:17] Voice 3: achieve these values. I'd like to hear that. On the other hand, I've gotten lots of letters of

[1:43:24] Voice 3: support for what we're trying to do from people that say that um that they recognize that there

[1:43:31] Voice 3: is a balance to be struck between property rights and and the importance of um protecting values

[1:43:39] Voice 3: that are common to the community um like our rural character like our uh like our open spaces

[1:43:45] Voice 3: and and uh preservation of natural features you know minimal impacts on the environment so we're

[1:43:51] Voice 3: We're hearing a range of people speaking things.

[1:43:53] Voice 3: And again, at the same time, it's tough.

[1:43:55] Voice 3: I think when you talk about the pandemic,

[1:43:57] Voice 3: one of the things that we're all keenly aware of

[1:44:00] Voice 3: is for a bunch of different reasons,

[1:44:03] Voice 3: people, for a bunch of different reasons,

[1:44:05] Voice 3: people are being attracted to these islands

[1:44:07] Voice 3: and that's been accelerated by the pandemic.

[1:44:10] Voice 3: And there's a lot of people moving here

[1:44:12] Voice 3: and we welcome them,

[1:44:14] Voice 3: but we also want people to be aware

[1:44:17] Voice 3: aware of of the the the fact that this is in the islands trust a lot of people probably don't even

[1:44:23] Voice 3: know what it is let alone have read the ocp so we we you know there's a window of opportunity here

[1:44:28] Voice 3: to take action to to make sure that what we cherish about these islands remains that way for

[1:44:35] Voice 3: for future generations so um i i i i'm i'm fine with getting people that don't agree with me on

[1:44:41] Voice 3: on these topics, there's not a popularity contest.

[1:44:45] Voice 3: I'm trying to do what's right

[1:44:46] Voice 3: and trying to protect the values

[1:44:48] Voice 3: that we've enshrined in our OCP.

[1:44:50] Voice 3: And so, you know, nobody can say

[1:44:54] Voice 3: that we're not taking the time to listen,

[1:44:56] Voice 3: but I do want to be able to move forward

[1:44:58] Voice 3: with some specific recommendations

[1:45:00] Voice 3: at the next time we get together.

[1:45:05] Voice 3: All right,

[1:45:06] Trustee Patrick: so we have a motion on the floor

[1:45:09] Voice 10: or

[1:45:09] Trustee Patrick: do you second the motion?

[1:45:11] Trustee Patrick: Is there any further discussion on this motion?

[1:45:16] Trustee Patrick: I'll call the vote then all those in favor

[1:45:19] Trustee Patrick: and that's carried.

[1:45:22] Voice 8: And I'd also in the same vein,

[1:45:25] Voice 8: move that the South Bender Island Local Trust Committee

[1:45:27] Voice 8: add OCP amendments to the South Bender Island LTC

[1:45:32] Voice 8: top priority list.

[1:45:34] Voice 3: And we can name those, can we not Steve?

[1:45:36] Voice 3: Because I think we've...

[1:45:39] Voice 8: uh well i think the the primary one would be the dpa and and i i think if i understood correctly

[1:45:47] Voice 8: we need we need to do some more thinking and um provide some more details and direction to staff

[1:45:54] Voice 8: on that one so i'd

[1:45:55] Voice 9: say good minor three

[1:45:56] Voice 8: minors as well yeah

[1:45:58] Voice 9: that's what that's trustee thornton

[1:45:59] Voice 9: was stating there's the i was assuming this was the three the three more minor

[1:46:03] Trustee Patrick: yeah there's the

[1:46:03] Trustee Patrick: amendments the ocp minor amendments and then the coastal project is not necessarily an ocp

[1:46:09] Trustee Patrick: project it's a okay

[1:46:11] Voice 3: project to

[1:46:12] Trustee Patrick: seek all the options that you have yeah

[1:46:15] Voice 3: so i sorry steve i

[1:46:17] Voice 3: yep go ahead then yeah well i add

[1:46:20] Trustee Patrick: on to it

[1:46:20] Voice 3: to pick up where you are i would move that the

[1:46:23] Voice 3: south pender local trust committee add ocp amendments uh three minor ocp ocp amendments

[1:46:29] Voice 3: as noted in uh the staff report uh that being the building design and citing guidelines

[1:46:35] Voice 3: guidelines, First Nations OCP language, and the rights of nature policy to the top priority list.

[1:46:46] Voice 3: And then I guess that staff report back with the project charter, Robert, do we need to say that?

[1:46:50] Voice 9: Yeah, that'd be good. Yeah. If you're ready, if you think you're ready to proceed to that.

[1:46:54] Trustee Patrick: Let's let Kathleen see. Kathy, how you're doing?

[1:47:03] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, just give me half a second, please.

[1:47:05] Trustee Patrick: Nope, that's all right. Take your time.

[1:47:16] Voice 5: okay i think i've got it moved and seconded that the local trust committee add three minor ocp

[1:47:21] Voice 5: amendments to the local trust committee top priority list as noted uh building and design

[1:47:26] Voice 5: guidelines first nations uh consultation and rates

[1:47:31] Voice 5: of nature there's a word missing there

[1:47:34] Trustee Patrick: it's

[1:47:35] Voice 5: first nations ocp language okay ocp language and rights of nature policy policy thank you

[1:47:49] Voice 8: and and that staff create a project charger and

[1:47:55] Trustee Patrick: staff report back with a project charter yeah okay

[1:48:02] Voice 5: do you want a timeline on that trustee right oh

[1:48:05] Voice 8: well we'll let them have it to the next meeting

[1:48:09] Trustee Patrick: i don't i don't think you need a timeline associated with that

[1:48:13] Trustee Patrick: okay thank you all

[1:48:15] Trustee Patrick: Janet Callahan- Or is there a second to that motion.

[1:48:17] Trustee Patrick: Janet Callahan- You made the motion, though.

[1:48:19] Voice 10: Janet

[1:48:20] Trustee Patrick: Callahan- Second of

[1:48:20] Trustee Patrick: the motion.

[1:48:24] Trustee Patrick: Janet Callahan- That's all right. It makes it efficient. Is there any discussion. I'll call the vote, then all those in favor. Now we're kind of, I'm going to look to Robert here for resource questioning here with

[1:48:45] Trustee Patrick: Robert Allingham,

[1:48:46] Voice 9: So the yeah you've got the now got three top priorities again.

[1:48:50] Voice 9: the LUB amendments that you've that you're still sort of forming and finalizing the minor OCP

[1:48:58] Voice 9: amendments we want to call them that and then you've got the groundwater project which is

[1:49:03] Voice 9: proceeding but yeah no guarantees about when it's going to be in its final form so you could

[1:49:11] Voice 9: consider moving the groundwater project to your projects list the mapping work will carry on and

[1:49:18] Voice 9: so on um but the implementation of that move that to your projects list to your long list

[1:49:24] Voice 9: and look at um your third your third priority being um uh shoreline review yeah

[1:49:33] Voice 8: it works for me

[1:49:35] Voice 8: um so i move that um the south bender island local trust committee uh move the groundwater

[1:49:44] Voice 8: water sustainability to the project list.

[1:49:48] Voice 8: All

[1:49:52] Trustee Patrick: right, is there a second?

[1:49:54] Trustee Patrick: Seconded by Trustee Thorne.

[1:49:55] Trustee Patrick: Give Kathy a moment there.

[1:50:01] Voice 5: Okay, that the LTC move the groundwater sustainability

[1:50:04] Voice 5: project to the groundwater sustainability

[1:50:07] Voice 5: to the project list.

[1:50:10] Trustee Patrick: Move it from the priorities list to the project list.

[1:50:12] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[1:50:18] Trustee Patrick: All right, is there any discussion?

[1:50:25] Trustee Patrick: No, I'll call the vote then.

[1:50:26] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[1:50:27] Trustee Patrick: and that's carried.

[1:50:34] Voice 8: And I move that the South Benar

[1:50:36] Voice 8: and Local Trust Committee add

[1:50:37] Voice 8: shoreline review to the priority

[1:50:40] Voice 8: list.

[1:50:41] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second?

[1:50:44] Trustee Patrick: Seconded by Trustee Thorne.

[1:50:47] Trustee Patrick: Kathy, didn't you get that?

[1:50:49] Voice 8: Was it top priorities list?

[1:50:50] Trustee Patrick: Yes.

[1:50:51] Voice 8: Sorry.

[1:50:52] Trustee Patrick: Top priorities list.

[1:50:53] Voice 8: Thanks, Robert.

[1:50:58] Trustee Patrick: When you're ready, Kathy.

[1:50:59] Voice 5: Sure.

[1:51:01] Voice 5: OK.

[1:51:02] Voice 5: The LTC adds shoreline review

[1:51:04] Voice 5: to the top priority list.

[1:51:05] Voice 5: okay

[1:51:08] Trustee Patrick: is there any discussion i'll call the vote then all those in favor that's carried

[1:51:23] Trustee Patrick: that's it

[1:51:23] Trustee Patrick: yeah

[1:51:25] Voice 8: we can we can move to the town hall now

[1:51:28] Voice 3: oh that's right

[1:51:29] Voice 3: sorry short and sweet

[1:51:30] Voice 8: one

[1:51:31] Voice 3: thing before we do so um um again we've gotten some great comments back from from our

[1:51:38] Voice 3: community on on on things and one thing that that was raised by two different people and i'm just

[1:51:43] Voice 3: i'm raising it uh as a as a you know as a as a topic and we can think about if and how we can

[1:51:50] Voice 3: deal with it but um you know a lot of people comment on how they you know attracted to the

[1:51:55] Voice 3: island for all the you know for the peace and the quiet and and um and and yet when we lose our power

[1:52:02] Voice 3: many people are are are being um woken up throughout the night by the sound of very very loud

[1:52:09] Voice 3: generators. And, and I've had a, we had a few colorful emails on that, you know, recently. And,

[1:52:17] Voice 3: and so I get it. It's a, it's a, you know, I can see why, you know, most of us can hear the

[1:52:24] Voice 3: crickets and you can hear a pin drop is so quiet on, on most parts of the Island. And so it's got

[1:52:28] Voice 3: to be frustrating when there is, I don't know if diesel is necessarily louder than propane. I

[1:52:39] Voice 3: do about this or any you know any thoughts robert on on what we can do um on that topic is that

[1:52:46] Voice 3: something that could be looked at as a minor amendment to the lub or or like citing of it or

[1:52:53] Voice 3: ways that we screen these buildings to protect them like acoustical sounding or acoustical um

[1:52:59] Voice 3: provisions around these i don't

[1:53:02] Voice 9: know it's not really something that falls into the zone the

[1:53:05] Voice 9: purview of zoning um um yeah potentially you could have setbacks i guess for this this use

[1:53:16] Voice 9: or this structure depending on how it's how it's defined but in

[1:53:21] Voice 10: terms of the

[1:53:21] Voice 9: noise that that

[1:53:22] Voice 9: definitely would fall within the ability of the crd with their noise bylaw um in terms of they

[1:53:30] Voice 9: could make amendments to it specifically i think for things like generator noise um they have you

[1:53:37] Voice 9: They have their general noise bylaw regulations, but if those aren't sufficient,

[1:53:42] Voice 9: then potentially the CRD could look at amending the noise bylaw with specific provisions for generators.

[1:53:50] Voice 8: I've suggested that people contact Director Dave Howe and try and get his enforcement team to respond to that issue.

[1:54:00] Voice 8: I know that their noise bylaw goes up to 8 p.m.

[1:54:03] Voice 8: so uh noise has to has to either quit or become much lower after that and they can't start up

[1:54:11] Voice 8: again until 7 p.m or 7 a.m so um that that is the best that is the best approach yeah and warren

[1:54:18] Voice 9: and i have regular meetings with bylaw enforcement at crd and building inspection at crd so it added

[1:54:24] Voice 9: a lot of that to our list of topics awesome

[1:54:26] Voice 8: thanks way to go cam thank you

[1:54:29] Trustee Patrick: all right so you want so

[1:54:30] Trustee Patrick: So we're gonna have a town hall.

[1:54:32] Trustee Patrick: Just wanna remind you that the decisions made today

[1:54:35] Trustee Patrick: were just about putting things on priority lists.

[1:54:38] Trustee Patrick: There's complete public processes that would be involved

[1:54:41] Trustee Patrick: in any development of bylaws so that we're not at that,

[1:54:48] Voice 10: those

[1:54:48] Trustee Patrick: types of decisions were not made today.

[1:54:50] Trustee Patrick: So I wanna, this is your chance to talk to us.

[1:54:53] Trustee Patrick: Please direct your comments to the LTC

[1:54:56] Trustee Patrick: and not to the audience or staff.

[1:54:58] Trustee Patrick: to speak about issues, not individuals, be clear, concise, and respectful. I'm not going to run a

[1:55:05] Trustee Patrick: timer here, but I do ask that you try to be concise with your comments. And I see that we

[1:55:10] Trustee Patrick: already have, John has raised his hand, Maple, if we can activate him. John, if you can take yourself

[1:55:15] Trustee Patrick: off mute.

[1:55:17] Voice 2: Hello, I just wanted to make a quick comment with regard to generators. One thing to

[1:55:22] Voice 2: bear in mind is that propane generators, propane is a more combustible fuel than diesel. And so

[1:55:29] Voice 2: from a consideration perspective, in terms of wildfire mitigation, you have to balance the

[1:55:36] Voice 2: acoustics with the flammability.

[1:55:40] Voice 3: Thanks, John. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks.

[1:55:46] Trustee Patrick: Is there anyone else

[1:55:47] Trustee Patrick: that wishes to address us today? You can raise your hand. It's the center of the screen. If you're

[1:55:51] Trustee Patrick: on a phone it's star nine or star six one of those uh so we have a gordy take yourself off mute

[1:56:01] Trustee Patrick: okay

[1:56:02] Voice 7: um hello i'm quite interested in the lot numbers and the number of dwellings that you're

[1:56:08] Voice 7: coming up with um and you say that's readily available on the bc assessment yes

[1:56:16] Voice 8: yeah use

[1:56:18] Voice 7: Just use the mapping tool, Gordy.

[1:56:20] Voice 7: Well, but in terms of square footage, so I can get the square footages of the houses and all that are there?

[1:56:26] Voice 8: It gives you the main floor, second floor, and basement sizes.

[1:56:31] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:56:31] Voice 3: So, Gordy, I know you're a data guy.

[1:56:34] Voice 3: I'm certainly happy to share my spreadsheet with you when it's done.

[1:56:43] Voice 7: Well, I would appreciate that.

[1:56:44] Voice 7: And then just as a supplementary question to that,

[1:56:48] Voice 7: the number of potential lots available so is that taking the forestry and agricultural land or is

[1:56:55] Voice 7: that rural residential it hasn't been developed yet it

[1:56:59] Voice 8: was all subdivision potential of all zones

[1:57:01] Voice 8: so

[1:57:02] Voice 7: that would include forestry yeah and and so the appropriate forestry would be like 10 acres now or

[1:57:10] Voice 7: 10 acres is that what you used for if you took an agricultural piece of land i believe the

[1:57:16] Voice 7: The current bylaw is 10 acres, right?

[1:57:20] Voice 8: Yeah.

[1:57:20] Voice 7: So if a 50-acre agricultural parcel would generate five lots,

[1:57:25] Voice 7: assumable is that?

[1:57:26] Voice 8: That's correct.

[1:57:29] Voice 7: Okay.

[1:57:29] Voice 7: Well, if you can share that when you have it, Cameron,

[1:57:32] Voice 7: I'd appreciate it.

[1:57:33] Voice 3: You bet.

[1:57:34] Voice 3: For sure we'll do.

[1:57:35] Voice 7: All right.

[1:57:35] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[1:57:36] Voice 7: Thank you, Gordie.

[1:57:37] Trustee Patrick: I see Donna's raised her hand.

[1:57:41] Trustee Patrick: Donna, if you could take it.

[1:57:42] Trustee Patrick: Unmute.

[1:57:43] Trustee Patrick: There I am.

[1:57:43] Voice 1: Hello.

[1:57:44] Voice 1: Ta-da.

[1:57:45] Voice 10: Just

[1:57:45] Voice 1: a quick question on how the developability on larger lots, so particularly forest, has been calculated.

[1:58:01] Voice 1: Is it just on the large overall acreage, hectares of that, or have you also considered that there would be portions that would not be suitable, where you couldn't build, basically?

[1:58:18] Voice 8: You know, I don't think that the information provided on BC assessment takes in a topography or the ability to build on it.

[1:58:27] Voice 8: It simply goes on lot size.

[1:58:29] Voice 1: For all size.

[1:58:30] Voice 1: So

[1:58:31] Voice 8: if you've got 40 acres of forested land and the minimum parcel size is 10, you'd have four lots.

[1:58:40] Voice 8: Now, whether they're buildable or not, that is not considered by the data in BC Assessment.

[1:58:48] Voice 8: Sorry,

[1:58:50] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Thorne wanted to add something.

[1:58:51] Trustee Patrick: Not

[1:58:52] Voice 3: to cut you off, but just to make sure we're talking about the same things.

[1:58:55] Voice 3: There was a map that was produced by the trust that talks about subdivision potential, and I don't profess to be the expert on that.

[1:59:04] Voice 3: So certainly the spreadsheet that I'm being creating is not looking at subdivision potential.

[1:59:10] Voice 3: I'm simply looking at the various rural residential lots as can be found on BC assessments, which provide the size of the lot and the size of the house.

[1:59:22] Voice 3: That's certainly what I'm doing.

[1:59:24] Voice 3: And I think your question, if I'm hearing you right about subdivision potential of large forest properties, again, that's out of my purview.

[1:59:31] Voice 3: And I think that's in the document that Robert's team had put together.

[1:59:35] Voice 9: When the subdivision potential maps are prepared, similar situation.

[1:59:39] Voice 9: It's just based on a calculation of the zoning minimum or minimum average lot area and the lot size.

[1:59:48] Voice 9: you know there's a there's this statement on there saying this doesn't account for things

[1:59:52] Voice 9: like covenants and topography and other restrictions like ALC approval and and

[2:00:00] Voice 9: are there other restrictions on an individual lot scale may apply so

[2:00:05] Voice 1: so obviously we have a

[2:00:09] Voice 1: large amount of forested property and it is in a managed forest and for those reasons we understand

[2:00:16] Voice 1: the topography of our property because not only are some of those areas would be you know you

[2:00:26] Voice 1: couldn't build on them but the other part of it is that um you know we can't um you know um

[2:00:33] Voice 1: forest sustainable forestry um is not considered um on those parts too so what I'm trying to get

[2:00:42] Voice 1: to is that um you know with some consultation um I would be happy to um work with you Cameron

[2:00:50] Voice 1: Cameron, if you're going to take 40 acres, 52 acres in our case, and say, well, you know,

[2:00:56] Voice 1: that means you can have five, five lots and, and, you know, five more new houses and five more new

[2:01:03] Voice 1: cottages, that wouldn't, that wouldn't exactly be right. It's, it's, it's not, there's no, I don't

[2:01:09] Voice 1: think there's going to be any fine science to this. But I think that that's a consideration,

[2:01:12] Voice 1: if we're looking at subdivision and building potential that needs to be considered.

[2:01:17] Voice 1: Yeah,

[2:01:18] Voice 3: and thanks, Donna. And again, I'll be sharing this spreadsheet. Just to be clear, the invitation to look at subdivision potential is important. I'm just looking at this point in time of what are the sizes of the existing houses that have already been built on properties.

[2:01:39] Voice 3: properties and and that will give us a baseline data of of what is not not looking at what

[2:01:46] Voice 3: potentially could be subdivided i think i think that's a separate thing that we could look at

[2:01:51] Voice 3: after i get this first spreadsheet created okay

[2:01:54] Voice 1: so i'm confused because i thought i thought when

[2:01:57] Voice 1: steve was mentioning you know what was possible he was um so i may be wrong here but i thought

[2:02:05] Voice 1: But there was a reference to what could be if we were, you know, not only if we built on everything that we have available currently to us, but if we built on what could be available to us.

[2:02:19] Voice 1: Yeah,

[2:02:21] Voice 8: there is provision and you can apply for like comprehensive development where you could amalgamate that allowable density in one area of the buildable or developable area and then leave the others as common land.

[2:02:41] Voice 8: Those options are available to you.

[2:02:43] Voice 8: I

[2:02:43] Trustee Patrick: think Donna's question is, are you currently calculating the build out potential?

[2:02:50] Voice 3: No, I am

[2:02:51] Trustee Patrick: not. I mean, I think

[2:02:52] Trustee Patrick: this is an

[2:02:52] Voice 3: interest. No, I think what drove this is, again, a lot of people saying if you change house size, you're going to make a lot of existing homes legally nonconforming. Talking existing homes. So I thought, well, let's find out what the, let's get some data on the existing home. So that's full stop. That's what I've been focusing on.

[2:03:14] Voice 3: I think Donna's point's a legitimate one, and it goes back to, you know, another separate but important conversation about build-out potential.

[2:03:27] Voice 3: Also, you know, conversations around when you have a large area of land, again, with different topography, some of it suitable for residential development, some not.

[2:03:44] Voice 3: you know there's and then there's a factor of servicing costs i mean you know when you look

[2:03:50] Voice 3: at subdivision of areas um there's always the opportunity to say well could we talk about

[2:03:54] Voice 3: clustering of of of density in a certain area um both because it's probably a benefit from an

[2:04:03] Voice 3: environmental point of view and it reduces servicing costs those are great conversations

[2:04:07] Voice 3: love to have those free time but that's separate from what my spreadsheet is okay

[2:04:11] Voice 1: so what what i'm

[2:04:14] Voice 1: I'm trying to get to here is that similar to the discussion about agriculture and what's there,

[2:04:20] Voice 1: if you look at our property, you will see that there's a large swath across the front of our

[2:04:27] Voice 1: waterfront that's zoned rural residential. And you could make an assumption about subdivision

[2:04:33] Voice 1: potential and build-out potential. The reality is that most of that is in the managed forest,

[2:04:41] Voice 1: forest, and it would cost a significant amount of money to remove it for that potential. So it's not

[2:04:48] Voice 1: something that's, you know, you know, that we view as you might view it differently than we view it

[2:04:54] Voice 1: is what I'm trying to say. And for those reasons, as Steve has indicated that he, you know, would

[2:05:00] Voice 1: talk to the various agricultural owners, I think it would be really important for the LTC to speak

[2:05:07] Voice 1: speak with the large property owners are those properties that you feel are potentially

[2:05:12] Voice 1: subdividable. And, you know, and thus, you know, would would go into whatever spreadsheet it is

[2:05:19] Voice 1: that that you're working on so that, you know, so that we understand that it's not just,

[2:05:24] Voice 1: you know, a flat map says 40 acres. And so that's in it's in agriculture, or it's in forest. And

[2:05:31] Voice 1: that means that it can be for subdivisions for houses for cottages. That's, that's where I'm

[2:05:37] Voice 1: trying to get to yeah

[2:05:39] Voice 8: i think i think i think that's two separate forms of data i i think

[2:05:43] Voice 8: you're looking at the the potential allowable build out of of available land uh under the zoning

[2:05:51] Voice 8: where we're looking simply at the existing houses their size related to the size of the property

[2:05:59] Voice 8: so we're not we're not looking at the we're not investigating uh in this instance the potential

[2:06:07] Voice 8: for development we're looking at what is already developed but yeah and any conversation um

[2:06:16] Voice 8: you'd like to have certainly give us a call and we're happy to sit down and talk to you

[2:06:20] Voice 8: okay

[2:06:22] Trustee Patrick: thanks thank you donna see uh gordy your hand is either still up or did you want to speak

[2:06:29] Trustee Patrick: again i'm not certain so i

[2:06:32] Voice 7: did i i put it up because i think sorry just quick question but

[2:06:37] Voice 7: But to follow up on Donna's question partially,

[2:06:40] Voice 7: the 170 potential lots you quoted, Steve,

[2:06:44] Voice 7: that's what I don't, where did that come from,

[2:06:47] Voice 7: I guess is what I'm concerned.

[2:06:51] Voice 8: The data was collected, I believe,

[2:06:55] Voice 8: oh, it was a few years ago, but then it was,

[2:07:00] Voice 8: it was to determine how many lots were already developed

[2:07:05] Voice 8: and how many lots were not developed home

[2:07:08] Voice 8: or had the potential to be developed.

[2:07:11] Voice 8: And that was done some time ago.

[2:07:15] Voice 8: And at that time, if I think I'm correct,

[2:07:19] Voice 8: there was 272 houses that had been developed

[2:07:23] Voice 8: and there was 120 potential more houses

[2:07:27] Voice 8: that could be developed.

[2:07:30] Voice 8: Now that did not determine whether some of those properties,

[2:07:34] Voice 8: it was easily developed or may even be developed.

[2:07:39] Voice 8: It simply looked at the potential of those number of lots

[2:07:43] Voice 8: according to the zoning and the size of the property.

[2:07:48] Voice 7: Okay, well, if you can come up with that data

[2:07:53] Voice 7: because believe it or not, I have counted the lots

[2:07:57] Voice 7: and I get a number more like 245 total lots,

[2:08:03] Voice 7: not dwellings and the last Canada census said 210 dwellings on South Pender Island so

[2:08:14] Voice 7: the numbers seem a little high and I'm just hopefully you can just and I guess we'll wait

[2:08:20] Voice 7: for what Cameron comes up with in terms of what the existing number of lots developable lots you

[2:08:30] Voice 7: You know, and then I guess we can look at the future in terms of what land can actually be subdivided, but that would be the second part of it, I guess.

[2:08:41] Voice 8: Right. And some of the data that I collected also that we did not include, some of them indicated there was a garage or a mobile home or something like that on it that was not

[2:08:51] Voice 8: a structure, so they weren't included as well.

[2:08:54] Voice 8: also. There

[2:08:54] Voice 8: could be some variance, but we'll tighten that up and you'll get all the current

[2:09:01] Voice 8: information up to date from Cameron.

[2:09:04] Voice 7: Okay, thank you. Thank

[2:09:06] Trustee Patrick: you. Anyone else that wishes to address

[2:09:09] Trustee Patrick: us today? There will be lots more opportunity for conversation as these projects progress,

[2:09:16] Trustee Patrick: progress. And I really want to thank everyone for coming out today. I remind everyone with the

[2:09:26] Trustee Patrick: ongoing case numbers here to be ultra careful and follow the guidance from Dr. Bonnie Henry

[2:09:33] Trustee Patrick: very closely. Also see that there's the all island clinic coming up for shots on

[2:09:41] Trustee Patrick: on pender and i'm jealous um

[2:09:47] Voice 8: you can book for sydney chair i

[2:09:50] Trustee Patrick: gotta get older oh

[2:09:52] Voice 8: that's

[2:09:54] Trustee Patrick: part of the problem

[2:09:55] Voice 8: that's a lucky one to have all

[2:09:58] Trustee Patrick: right any other business today no

[2:10:02] Voice 8: i think that's it for me for

[2:10:03] Voice 8: sure all

[2:10:04] Trustee Patrick: right i need a motion to adjourn so

[2:10:06] Voice 8: moved all

[2:10:07] Trustee Patrick: right seconded by trustee thorn

[2:10:09] Trustee Patrick: i'll call the vote all those in favor and that is carried so we're adjourned thank you everyone

[2:10:15] Trustee Patrick: thank

[2:10:15] Voice 3: you everybody much appreciated thanks guys more conversations thank you

[2:10:20] Voice 3: see you

[2:10:22] Trustee Patrick: soon all right thanks guys

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         South Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Special Meeting 
 
Date: 
Location: 
April 9, 2021 
Electronic Meeting (Zoom Webinar) 
 
Members Present: Laura Patrick, Chair  
 Steve Wright, Local Trustee 
 Cameron Thorn, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Robert Kojima, Regional Planning Manager 
Kim Stockdill, Island Planner 
 Maple Hung, Planning Assistant, Host 
 Kathy Gilbert, Recorder 
  
Public: There were approximately 3 attendees at the Zoom Webinar. 
  
  
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Patrick called the meeting to order at 10:30 am.  She acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in traditional territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following addition to the agenda was presented for consideration: 
 A Town Hall was requested at the end of the meeting. 
By general consent the agenda was approved as amended. 
3. BUSINESS ITEMS 
 3.1 Work Program – Staff report 
 Planner Stockdill presented her report (available on the Islands Trust website.) 
 
 Top Priorities as identified by the Local Trust Committee (LTC) are: 
 Groundwater Sustainability Project; 
 STVR Review Project; 
 Alternative Housing Project. 
  
Ad o p t e d 
    
 
 

 
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It was noted that the Groundwater Sustainability Project is on-going and may not be 
completed within the present term of office.  The other two Top Priorities are with the 
Executive Committee, so the LTC’s work on these two projects is drawing to a close. 
  
  SP-2021-040 
  It was Moved and Seconded 
  that the Groundwater Sustainability Project be moved off the Top Priorities list. 
CARRIED 
  SP-2021-041 
  It was Moved and Seconded 
  that the Alternative Housing Project be removed from the Top Priorities list. 
CARRIED 
   
Chair Patrick advised that a Trust-Wide Strategic Planning initiative is underway.  A Project 
Charter will be developed, and First Nations would like to be part of the process. 
 
Prior to consideration of any proposed changes to the Official Community Plan (OCP) 
Trustee Wright noted that preservation of the rural character of South Pender Island (SPI) 
and protection of the coastline are paramount values to be considered in any amendments 
to the OCP. 
 
Regional Planning Manager (RPM) Kojima presented 4 potential OCP projects for the LTC’s 
consideration: 
 
1. Building design and siting guidelines; 
2. Foreshore Development Permit Area (DPA) to address sea level rise and sensitive 
ecosystems (including Coastal Douglas Fir protection); 
3. First Nations OCP Language; 
4. Rights of Nature Policy. 
 
Trustees and staff discussed the proposed amendments and various approaches that might 
be used to achieve the goals of the proposed amendments: 
 
 The building and design guidelines have already been written; 
 Provision of the building and design guidelines and Rights of Nature document to 
owners planning on building on South Pender Island (SPI) was recommended; 
 First Nations language relating to acknowledgement of First Nations that might be 
used, as a starting point, the model that the Saturna Island LTC developed, and 
referral to local First Nations; 
 There are traditional First Nations names describing attributes and place names on 
SPI; 
 The Foreshore Development Permit (DPA) to address sea level rise and sensitive 
ecosystems (including Coastal Douglas Fir protection,) should be a separate project; 
 Using the Gambier Island project as a model for the proposed Foreshore DPA and 
invite the Island’s Trust Planner whose responsibility includes Gambier Island, to a 
future SPI LTC meeting. 

 
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RPM Kojima described some of the tools and approaches available to the LTC, such as the 
use of DPAs, inclusion of policies, introductory statements or maps within the OCP. 
 
RPM Kojima will provide the Gambier Island coastal protection guidelines to Trustees. 
 
Chair Patrick commented that archaeological protection can be included in a heritage 
conservation area but not in a DPA. 
 
Chair Patrick stated that in any proposed changes to the OCP and LUB, the LTC should 
clearly articulate the objectives that the LTC is seeking to achieve. 
 
   SP-2021-042 
   It was Moved and Seconded 
That the South Pender Island Local Trust Committee refer building design and guidelines 
and The Rights of Nature document to the Advisory Planning Commission and report 
back to the Local Trust Committee prior to the May 7, 2021 Local Trust Committee 
meeting. 
CARRIED 
 
RPM Robert Kojima, presented six potential Land Use Bylaw (LUB) projects for the LTC to 
consider: 
 
1. Maximum floor area regulations; 
2. Agricultural lands regulation in accordance with ALC policy L-26; 
3. Derelict vehicle and machinery; 
4. Shipping containers; 
5. Setback to the natural boundary of the sea; 
6. Any other minor technical amendments.  
   
With respect to potential LUB amendments, it was noted that the maximum floor area 
regulations: 
 tie into other issues, including environmental, resource, affordable housing and 
rural character; 
 have had some work done already identifying the number of vacant lots by size and 
the number of houses by total size of house; 
 the need to protect existing homes, should those homes be larger than the 
maximum house size permitted; and 
 the need to examine house size in relation to lot size (referred to as floor area 
ratio). 
 
  It was noted that there will be a need for public consultation throughout the process.  
 
Trustee Thorn drew those present to a publication by the Ministry of Agriculture Policy 
Intentions Paper titled “Residential Flexibility in the ALR.” 
 

 
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Trustees stated that the derelict vehicle and machinery project can be removed from the 
projects list. 
 
Trustees also noted the shipping container regulations should include requirements around 
screening, maximum number of units and other conditions. 
 
The setback to the natural boundary of the sea project should be broadened to develop a 
shoreline protection project. 
 
A discussion between Trustees and staff followed around agricultural land, especially the 
type and size of housing required on agricultural land.  Points discussed included: 
 
 A desire to discourage owners from buying agricultural land, treating the land as an 
estate and building a large house; 
 Recognition that some farmers need farm help, particularly at certain times of the 
year; 
 That the type of farm housing might include a cottage or a bunkhouse, depending 
on the needs of the farmer;  
 The need to consider farm succession; 
 The need to look at housing as related to subdivision potential; 
 Building siting to maximize the land available for farming, and possible clustering of 
homes; 
 Various regulatory options, such as issuance of development permits and the 
option to use site-specific zoning to address differing circumstances. 
 
  Trustee Wright will discuss needs and regulatory options with the agricultural landowners. 
 
Trustees and staff discussed stairways leading down to the shoreline, particularly on high 
bank properties, as an aesthetic issue.  Trustee Wright stated that maintaining the shoreline 
in as natural state as possible is important. 
 
 SP-2021-043 
 It was Moved and Seconded 
that shoreline stairs be referred to the APC for their consideration and solutions and to 
report back to the Local Trust Committee prior to the May 7, 2021 meeting. 
CARRIED 
 
 
   SP-2021-044 
 It was Moved and Seconded 
that the Local Trust Committee add Land Use Bylaw amendments to the Top Priorities 
list. 
CARRIED 
   
 
 

 
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Trustee Wright noted that the suggested LUB amendments will need to be fleshed out prior 
to the May 7 meeting.   
 
Trustee Thorn suggested that a newsletter be sent out the SPI residents and owners and 
refer them to the LTC website, in order to receive feedback on the proposed LUB 
amendments. 
 
 SP-2021-045 
 It was Moved and Seconded 
that the Local Trust Committee add 3 minor Official Community Plan amendments to 
the Local Trust Committee Top Priorities list as noted: 
 Building and design guidelines; 
 First Nations Official Community Plan language; 
 Rights of Nature policy; 
   And further that, staff report back with a project charter. 
CARRIED 
 
   SP-2021-046 
   It was moved and Seconded 
that the Local Trust Committee move the Groundwater Sustainability project from the 
Top Priorities list to the Project list.  
CARRIED 
 
SP-2021-047 
It was Moved and Seconded 
that the Local Trust Committee add Shoreline Review to the Top Priorities list. 
CARRIED 
4. TOWN HALL 
 
Gordie Duncan expressed interest in the number of lots and the number of developed lots.  He 
was referred to BC Assessment Authority’s website.  Trustees agreed to share their research 
with their constituents. 
 
Donna Spalding asked whether subdivision potential took into account unique taxation status 
such as Managed Forest, and whether the buildable area of the lots reflected the development 
potential.  She was advised that the numbers of lots was an overview of potential lot 
development, rather than an in-depth lot by lot analysis. 
  

 
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5. AJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 12:40 p.m. 
 
 
_________________________ 
Laura Patrick, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
__________________________ 
 
Kathy Gilbert, Recorder