South Pender Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, May 7, 2021

[0:00:04] Trustee Patrick: good morning just stand by we'll open the meeting in just a moment letting the systems get up and

[0:00:09] Trustee Patrick: running it's like everything's working now maple are we up and running uh usually

[0:00:27] Voice 3: takes about a

[0:00:27] Voice 3: minute um chair patrick for the live stream to start um broadcasting

[0:00:32] Trustee Patrick: is good yeah just hold a

[0:00:34] Trustee Patrick: moment while we wait for the live streaming to get going so please be patient we'll start the

[0:00:38] Trustee Patrick: meeting in just a minute live

[0:00:52] Voice 8: stream is now connected chair patrick

[0:00:53] Trustee Patrick: super trustees are you

[0:00:55] Trustee Patrick: are ready to go i am well then good morning i'd like to call this uh meeting of the south pender

[0:01:02] Trustee Patrick: island local trust committee to order this is being recorded and live streamed i want to

[0:01:10] Trustee Patrick: acknowledge how fortunate we are to be able to gather on the traditional territories of the

[0:01:14] Trustee Patrick: coast salish people this afternoon i'm so excited to be participating in a cultural knowledge

[0:01:20] Trustee Patrick: discussion on water and its meanings and I just wanted to read an opening paragraph from

[0:01:27] Trustee Patrick: this is called honoring water prepared by the assembly of first nations water is the most

[0:01:33] Trustee Patrick: life-sustaining gift on mother earth and is the interconnection among all living beings

[0:01:38] Trustee Patrick: water sustains us flows between us within us and replenishes us water is the blood of mother earth

[0:01:45] Trustee Patrick: and as such cleanses not only herself but all living things water comes in many forms and all

[0:01:52] Trustee Patrick: are needed for the health of mother earth and for our health the sacred water element teaches us

[0:01:58] Trustee Patrick: that we can have great strength to transform even the tallest mountain while being soft pliable and

[0:02:04] Trustee Patrick: flexible water gives us the spiritual teachings that we too flow into the great ocean at the end

[0:02:11] Trustee Patrick: of our life journey water shapes the land and gives us the great gifts of the rivers lakes ice

[0:02:17] Trustee Patrick: and oceans water is the home of many living things and that contribute to the health and well-being

[0:02:23] Trustee Patrick: of everything not just in water anyway i just uh i find these honoring statements so beautiful

[0:02:31] Trustee Patrick: that are prepared um by the assembly of first nation encourage people to to read them because

[0:02:36] Trustee Patrick: they are very rich. So I'm Laura Patrick. I'm elected on Salt Spring Island and chair of this

[0:02:47] Trustee Patrick: local trust committee and I'm joined today by trustee Steve Wright. Good morning Steve and

[0:02:52] Trustee Patrick: trustee Cameron

[0:02:52] Trustee Patrick: Thorne. Good morning Cameron. Good morning.

[0:02:55] Trustee Patrick: Together we make up your South

[0:02:57] Trustee Patrick: Pender local trust committee. This meeting is an official forum for your local trust committee to

[0:03:01] Trustee Patrick: make decisions about land use planning matters and discuss relevant business. I also want to

[0:03:07] Trustee Patrick: to add that this is a place of employment despite the fact that some of our staff may be coming from

[0:03:12] Trustee Patrick: their own homes they have this the right to a safe and respectful workplace we're grateful for this

[0:03:17] Trustee Patrick: ability to have electronic meetings trustees staff and the public don't have to travel and we're

[0:03:22] Trustee Patrick: honoring provincial health orders and guidelines during the pandemic we appreciate your understanding

[0:03:28] Trustee Patrick: and assistance as this is a electronic meeting we may run into technical difficulties and please be

[0:03:35] Trustee Patrick: patient while we overcome them um we have muted everyone's mics and so there's no audio

[0:03:43] Trustee Patrick: disruptions and i will review how the town hall will work in just a few moments we have several

[0:03:48] Trustee Patrick: staff joining us today i'd like to introduce we have maple hung our office administrator thank

[0:03:53] Trustee Patrick: you maple she's working to make this meeting run smoothly we have shannon brayford our minute taker

[0:03:59] Trustee Patrick: good morning shannon and we have robert kojima our regional planning manager good morning robert

[0:04:04] Trustee Patrick: and Kim Stockdale our planner. Good morning Kim. So we have trustees we have an agenda before us

[0:04:11] Trustee Patrick: are there any additions or changes that we need to make to this agenda?

[0:04:16] Voice 12: Yes if I may due to our regional meeting that you sponsored yesterday chair I'd like to add

[0:04:23] Voice 12: business licenses to the agenda under new business. Okay.

[0:04:29] Voice 12: And I also would like to ask

[0:04:32] Voice 12: staff some questions about marine zoning with respect to buoys and anchors should

[0:04:41] Trustee Patrick: we do that during the shoreline discussion perhaps great

[0:04:44] Voice 12: idea all right

[0:04:45] Trustee Patrick: I think that would just fit right in there and then

[0:04:48] Voice 12: on 8.3 advisory planning

[0:04:50] Voice 12: Commission minutes I believe there were some minutes available I'm not sure

[0:04:54] Voice 12: included in this or not there

[0:04:56] Trustee Patrick: was an addendum issued so okay

[0:04:58] Voice 12: and I'd also

[0:04:59] Voice 12: like to add APC membership a

[0:05:04] Trustee Patrick: discussion on APC membership or I

[0:05:07] Voice 12: have I have a

[0:05:08] Voice 12: motion for involving the membership of our APC is

[0:05:15] Trustee Patrick: that a new business item or

[0:05:16] Trustee Patrick: what yeah

[0:05:18] Voice 12: I can be on a new business that would be fine or or under the

[0:05:21] Voice 12: advisory planning mission minutes probably

[0:05:25] Trustee Patrick: better under new business fair

[0:05:27] Voice 12: Fair enough.

[0:05:29] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[0:05:32] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Thorne, do you have anything to add?

[0:05:35] Trustee Patrick: No.

[0:05:36] Voice 9: Can

[0:05:36] Trustee Patrick: we agree through general consent that as amended that the agenda be adopted?

[0:05:45] Voice 12: Yes.

[0:05:45] Trustee Patrick: Excellent.

[0:05:47] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[0:05:49] Trustee Patrick: So this is your opportunities to speak.

[0:05:53] Trustee Patrick: Trustees, who would like to report first?

[0:05:56] Voice 12: Go ahead, cameras.

[0:05:57] Voice 4: Well, I mean, I guess contextually to some of the items that we've been talking about recently and that we'll be talking about further today, that being land, houses, properties, it's probably stating the obvious.

[0:06:17] Voice 4: but it's very, very evident that housing and property sales are at a pace that I certainly

[0:06:28] Voice 4: haven't seen on the island in the last 16 years that I've been here. And I think it's part of a

[0:06:36] Voice 4: broader pattern across North America, but we're certainly seeing evidence here of properties that

[0:06:44] Voice 4: that were never really, probably because of some of their characteristics, never would have been put on the market

[0:06:51] Voice 4: or now coming out onto the market and people are snapping them up and paying a much higher price

[0:06:56] Voice 4: than what probably anybody ever imagined.

[0:06:59] Voice 4: And, you know, to use a phrase from one of the comments, one of the members of the APC recently,

[0:07:10] Voice 4: there's a lot of money showing up on this island and it's that money wants to do what it wants to

[0:07:15] Voice 4: do so it's it's very interesting to see i mean i i personally know i i spoke about this when i was

[0:07:21] Voice 4: an apc member back in 2016 about about the very fact that given our proximity to major urban

[0:07:29] Voice 4: centers we were going to see this and we certainly are now so i think i think the conversations that

[0:07:35] Voice 4: that we are having on house size and design guidelines

[0:07:38] Voice 4: and all sorts of things are very, very contextual

[0:07:40] Voice 4: and they're very timely to what we see going on around us.

[0:07:45] Trustee Patrick: Thank you, Trustee Thorne.

[0:07:47] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Wright.

[0:07:49] Voice 12: I don't have much to add.

[0:07:51] Voice 12: I'd just like to thank all the members of the community

[0:07:53] Voice 12: that have written in and given us their concerns

[0:07:59] Voice 12: and support about the issues that we're dealing with now.

[0:08:03] Voice 12: it's always welcome to hear what people have to say

[0:08:07] Voice 12: and what they're thinking about certain issues.

[0:08:09] Voice 12: So I appreciate it, thanks.

[0:08:13] Trustee Patrick: Thank you very much.

[0:08:15] Trustee Patrick: And yes, now I echo the concerns here on Salt Spring.

[0:08:19] Trustee Patrick: The market is wild as well.

[0:08:23] Trustee Patrick: And just the displacement of our long-term island residents

[0:08:27] Trustee Patrick: is occurring at a pace that's just incredibly disturbing.

[0:08:31] Trustee Patrick: um i just uh would like to say that the i feel that we just had a trust council in march and

[0:08:41] Trustee Patrick: it seems that rapidly it's coming back june is our next trust council meeting the week of

[0:08:47] Trustee Patrick: june 8th and if you are intending to provide a delegation the deadline is coming up quickly

[0:08:54] Trustee Patrick: that must be in around may 18th so please look at our website and speaking of websites we

[0:09:01] Trustee Patrick: We did launch quietly last week, a new website.

[0:09:05] Trustee Patrick: So I hope you are interacting with that website,

[0:09:08] Trustee Patrick: taking a look at it and seeing it's been carefully designed to provide

[0:09:13] Trustee Patrick: information, hopefully more readily do bear with us as it is a new website.

[0:09:19] Trustee Patrick: Sometimes there are things that unforeseen that occur.

[0:09:22] Trustee Patrick: And I can tell you that there is a team behind scenes working away on any

[0:09:26] Trustee Patrick: technical issues that have popped up. And if you do find one,

[0:09:29] Trustee Patrick: there is contact information there that you can spread a spread share any concern or opportunity

[0:09:35] Trustee Patrick: that you saw that an improvement could could still occur so with that it is now your opportunity to

[0:09:44] Trustee Patrick: speak to us so this is the town hall and we want to hear your questions and comments at this time

[0:09:51] Trustee Patrick: and later in the agenda we'll be considering various things and your your input is very

[0:09:56] Trustee Patrick: important to us and helps us make good decisions. Those of you who are just listening in, we always

[0:10:02] Trustee Patrick: want to receive information from you, so please email southinfo at islandstrust.bc.ca and we

[0:10:11] Trustee Patrick: always welcome your comments and questions. So this is your opportunity and please direct your

[0:10:21] Trustee Patrick: comments to the local trust committee, not to the audience or staff. Speak about issues, not

[0:10:25] Trustee Patrick: not individuals be clear concise and respectful I'm not going to run a clock but I will ask you

[0:10:31] Trustee Patrick: to wrap up if if you are starting to repeat yourself and that's what we have so with that

[0:10:40] Trustee Patrick: if you would like to speak there is a raise hand function at the lower center of the screen

[0:10:47] Trustee Patrick: if you're on the phone oh gosh maple I always confuse these is it star nine to raise your hand

[0:10:53] Trustee Patrick: I think no

[0:10:54] Voice 8: worries um you're correct it is oh

[0:10:56] Trustee Patrick: good I'm learning it star nine to raise your hand star

[0:10:59] Trustee Patrick: six to unmute uh so is there anyone who wishes to address us today I see we have Jane Birch has

[0:11:10] Trustee Patrick: raised her hand good morning Jane if you take yourself off

[0:11:15] Voice 7: mute good morning thank you um I

[0:11:18] Voice 7: have um three things I hope they'll go quickly just um the first thing I just wanted to mention

[0:11:23] Voice 7: is on the project charter for the land use bylaw.

[0:11:26] Voice 7: I just wondered in the staff report,

[0:11:29] Voice 7: there was reference to setbacks from the ocean,

[0:11:32] Voice 7: but I didn't see it in the project charter.

[0:11:35] Voice 7: And I didn't know if that was intentional or not.

[0:11:36] Voice 7: I just wondered if it had been missed out.

[0:11:40] Voice 7: And then other than that, two questions I have,

[0:11:43] Voice 7: which I did put to the chair earlier.

[0:11:46] Voice 7: One of them is dealing with correspondence.

[0:11:49] Voice 7: I don't seem to see any record of correspondence.

[0:11:52] Voice 7: And I know subs before the last meeting, there were several people who wrote in to the local trust committee, but, and I did question the staff as to where to find that information.

[0:12:04] Voice 7: And I had kind of a strange answer and it said, unless that information related to a project or an application, it wasn't recognized.

[0:12:12] Voice 7: But my understanding is, well, first of all, I think these related to a potential project, so they should be somewhere.

[0:12:19] Voice 7: and I thought all correspondence and there is an item on the agenda for correspondence so regardless

[0:12:25] Voice 7: of what it relates to that there should be record of it and I don't see it on the site anywhere

[0:12:30] Voice 7: just wondered if you could speak to that and just one how that how that works

[0:12:34] Trustee Patrick: thank you Jane for that question and I'll can I look to staff if someone could address the

[0:12:40] Trustee Patrick: how correspondence is managed and handled what goes on the agenda

[0:12:44] Trustee Patrick: of a package versus filed all

[0:12:48] Voice 10: correspondence that's received gets forwarded to the local

[0:12:51] Voice 10: trust committee so they have all the correspondence and um uh correspondence is related to a project

[0:13:00] Voice 10: or an app or rezoning application would get posted on the website um but posting the website's just

[0:13:07] Voice 10: a it's not a not all correspondence gets posted to the website um as a matter of course and um

[0:13:15] Voice 10: correspondence that goes on the agenda is typically something that's written to the

[0:13:21] Voice 10: local trust committee that's not related to a project or application basically somebody you

[0:13:27] Voice 10: know asking the local trust committee to to do something or initiate a project but all

[0:13:32] Voice 10: correspondence does get forwarded that we receive anyway does get forwarded to the local trust

[0:13:36] Voice 10: committee so

[0:13:39] Voice 6: there's no public record of what gets received

[0:13:41] Voice 10: every oh it's all filed all

[0:13:43] Voice 10: correspondence is filed and if it's going related to a bylaw process then it's always in the public

[0:13:50] Voice 10: hearing binder but not all not all correspondence gets posted on the website okay

[0:13:56] Voice 6: i thought that

[0:13:57] Voice 6: was uh i thought everything was public

[0:13:59] Voice 10: everything's public it's just not necessarily posted on the

[0:14:02] Voice 10: web page so

[0:14:04] Voice 6: how does one find it if

[0:14:06] Voice 10: you want to access some correspondence you can ask to see it

[0:14:12] Voice 10: you could submit a request for specific specific correspondence okay

[0:14:18] Voice 6: it's just a little bit odd in

[0:14:20] Voice 6: that because we are in the process of determining projects and even though we don't know what the

[0:14:24] Voice 6: projects are yet there is relevant correspondence so somehow i think it's the if the public should

[0:14:32] Voice 6: have a uh a method of being able to see what people are commenting on so i just put it out

[0:14:37] Voice 6: there for you to consider oh thank you

[0:14:39] Voice 12: i think you're absolutely right jane i think if we're

[0:14:42] Voice 12: going to go to the length of asking the public to respond and to be participants in this process

[0:14:49] Voice 12: whatever process it is that it should be it should be marked and it should be made public so perhaps

[0:14:56] Voice 12: we can sit down with staff and and see how that can be accomplished.

[0:15:00] Voice 6: Thank you and I just have

[0:15:05] Voice 6: one more question again it will be coming up in your discussions but I wanted some clarification

[0:15:11] Voice 6: when you get to this because it's in your trustees

[0:15:15] Voice 6: corner information relating to house size

[0:15:19] Voice 6: and should that become an issue

[0:15:20] Voice 6: and there's a change in house size

[0:15:23] Voice 6: and you mentioned that your intent is to,

[0:15:26] Voice 6: if you're gonna reduce house size even further

[0:15:29] Voice 6: than from the last trustees review,

[0:15:33] Voice 6: your intent is to establish regulations

[0:15:36] Voice 6: such that the existing or approved dwellings

[0:15:38] Voice 6: that would exceed the new house size regulations

[0:15:41] Voice 6: could be rebuilt to their present size

[0:15:43] Voice 6: despite new maximum house size regulations.

[0:15:46] Voice 6: And I guess my question to that is,

[0:15:48] Voice 6: I think right now, I think we would be non-conforming.

[0:15:52] Voice 6: A lot of us are already with the existing changes

[0:15:55] Voice 6: that were made, and I understand non-conforming,

[0:15:59] Voice 6: but I don't know how a land use bylaw

[0:16:03] Voice 6: could ignore the non-conforming

[0:16:06] Voice 6: under the Local Government Act and could override it.

[0:16:09] Voice 6: So it's just if you're going that method, I think it needs to be clarified because I see two different levels of government, two different regulations.

[0:16:18] Voice 6: I didn't want some information being out there that may not be possible.

[0:16:22] Voice 6: So if it is possible, I think we need an explanation as to how.

[0:16:26] Trustee Patrick: Well, thank you, Jane. I think that's one of the things that the trustees are still exploring, I guess, would be.

[0:16:33] Voice 12: In the works.

[0:16:35] Trustee Patrick: That's great. Thank you.

[0:16:36] Trustee Patrick: Thank you very much, Jane.

[0:16:37] Voice 12: is

[0:16:39] Trustee Patrick: there anyone else that wishes to address the local trust committee today

[0:16:47] Trustee Patrick: gordy duncan good morning gordy if you take yourself off mute uh thank you

[0:16:53] Voice 11: i guess this follows up on the on the um correspondence i too was surfing the new

[0:17:01] Voice 11: website today to see if i could find the correspondence because in the past it's all

[0:17:08] Voice 11: all been posted so i'm you know when i say in the past i'm going back into 2016 in those areas

[0:17:17] Voice 11: all the letters were posted so i guess the there has been some new policy that says uh it's not

[0:17:25] Voice 11: the case but interestingly enough i find a letter from a non the only letter correspondence i could

[0:17:33] Voice 11: find was from a member who I don't or a person that I don't believe lives on South Pender Island

[0:17:42] Voice 11: and yet it gets prominence and that's the Mr. Peter Pair copy a couple of citizens on South

[0:17:53] Voice 11: Pender but for some reason that correspondence received and is posted right up there with

[0:18:02] Voice 11: um all the rest of the dots there on the second page when you go under documentation so how does

[0:18:09] Voice 11: that letter get uh exposure and yet letters from uh citizens of south pender doesn't seem to be

[0:18:17] Voice 11: getting just a little frustrating to say the honest and the next so that led me to um

[0:18:24] Voice 11: um the the douglas fir which is fairly close there's a patch there for the douglas fir and

[0:18:33] Voice 11: who sponsored that and who provided that information and one of the one of the

[0:18:44] Voice 11: people that are one of the organizations i guess it should should say that uh

[0:18:50] Voice 11: provided the information was the islands trust conservancy so i didn't really know what that

[0:18:59] Voice 11: entailed or what the organization was but um i guess it's an appointed board

[0:19:08] Voice 11: uh i don't know by who but when i start reading up on what it's uh what its purpose is it

[0:19:19] Voice 11: It receives all the guidelines that you as trustees and the Island Trust are obligated to follow.

[0:19:28] Voice 11: It specifically states that the Island Conservancy is exempt.

[0:19:33] Voice 11: So my feeling is that maybe this is a quasi-appointed board, but it is a specific group of people,

[0:19:45] Voice 11: much like the forest people that are producing some of these things and I'm sorry I'm not giving

[0:19:51] Voice 11: exact details because I'm not reading it but a little concern there and all this was promulgated

[0:19:57] Voice 11: from surfing our new website which still is not showing us our correspondence because even trustee

[0:20:07] Voice 11: Wright just mentioned it earlier thanks to all those people that are writing in well why can't

[0:20:14] Voice 11: everyone see what what the trustees are reading i believe it's public property or public information

[0:20:21] Voice 11: thank you i

[0:20:23] Trustee Patrick: think thank you gordy i believe maybe you saw that the islands trust conservancy did

[0:20:28] Trustee Patrick: send correspondence to major landowners throughout the islands uh recently um i know i will bungle it

[0:20:38] Trustee Patrick: but is there one of the one of the staff today or should we just talk about it at a later meeting

[0:20:44] Trustee Patrick: just roughly how the board gets appointed um on um the trust conservancy or we could come back

[0:20:52] Trustee Patrick: with that information i'm not seeing anyone leap up so i think uh gordy that's an excellent question

[0:21:00] Trustee Patrick: or robert do you want to um

[0:21:01] Voice 10: the conservancy board how it's appointed yeah question um some members

[0:21:07] Voice 10: are appointed by the province um and some are trustees yep

[0:21:13] Trustee Patrick: yeah so they're

[0:21:16] Voice 12: appointed by council

[0:21:17] Voice 12: yeah that's

[0:21:19] Trustee Patrick: right correct um elected by com uh council elected yeah

[0:21:23] Trustee Patrick: yeah uh trustee thorn

[0:21:25] Trustee Patrick: yeah

[0:21:25] Voice 4: just um further to um i mean really to echo both what jane and gordy had to say

[0:21:30] Voice 4: um i think i agree with the comments that would be uh helpful to have all of the information on

[0:21:38] Voice 4: the website and and and you know i'd be curious as to what the criteria was for which things to

[0:21:45] Voice 4: post and which things not to um i mean we don't need to this is as long as we correct it i think

[0:21:51] Voice 4: it's the right approach i think you know in the in the interest of transparency having it all up

[0:21:57] Voice 4: there serves everybody yeah

[0:22:00] Trustee Patrick: and and gordy good question um we we will we should have better

[0:22:04] Trustee Patrick: better information for you and perhaps next meeting

[0:22:07] Trustee Patrick: we'll talk a bit more about that

[0:22:09] Trustee Patrick: because everyone should understand

[0:22:11] Trustee Patrick: how the Trust Conservancy works

[0:22:12] Trustee Patrick: in relationship to the Islands Trust.

[0:22:16] Trustee Patrick: So thank you.

[0:22:18] Voice 12: Perhaps we could add, have a representative

[0:22:21] Voice 12: from the Conservancy.

[0:22:22] Voice 12: Yes, great

[0:22:23] Voice 12: idea.

[0:22:26] Trustee Patrick: Okay, any other questions Gordie?

[0:22:30] Voice 11: No, not for now anyway, thank you.

[0:22:32] Trustee Patrick: All right, thank you very much.

[0:22:34] Trustee Patrick: Thanks Gordie.

[0:22:35] Voice 11: with

[0:22:35] Trustee Patrick: phone number ending in four three zero zero that um um so if you hit star six now you should

[0:22:42] Trustee Patrick: be able to speak so the person on the phone ending in four three zero zero you've been given

[0:22:55] Trustee Patrick: access to uh unmute your phone using star six hello no that's

[0:23:10] Voice 1: okay uh jeff henshaw um i just

[0:23:14] Voice 1: a quick question around the 2,800 square feet number for farmhomes on ALR land. And I'm just

[0:23:25] Voice 1: curious to know, what is that specific size based on? You could provide some context there. That'd

[0:23:35] Voice 1: be really helpful.

[0:23:37] Voice 12: Yeah, I can give that because that came up through discussions with some

[0:23:41] Voice 12: and property owners who were looking

[0:23:43] Voice 12: for additional residents on a farm.

[0:23:47] Voice 12: And under the current ALR,

[0:23:49] Voice 12: and the farm happens to be in the ALR as well.

[0:23:51] Voice 12: And the ALR maximum size is 5,400 square feet.

[0:23:56] Voice 12: And they were looking for a secondary residence

[0:24:01] Voice 12: rather than a cottage.

[0:24:03] Voice 12: And I said, if that was the case,

[0:24:05] Voice 12: would they be prepared to accept 2,800,

[0:24:07] Voice 12: around $2,800 twice instead of a single $5,400 and they seem to be fairly happy with that and

[0:24:17] Voice 12: somehow that got written in my notes and it doesn't mean that it's going to be applied

[0:24:23] Voice 12: on every ALR land on South Bender and I've made that clear to all the owners of ALR land that

[0:24:31] Voice 12: I've spoken to so far except one. Thank

[0:24:38] Trustee Patrick: you. Any other questions there Jeff?

[0:24:41] Trustee Patrick: all right thank you okay anyone else that wishes to talk to us today not seeing any hands coming

[0:24:55] Trustee Patrick: up as again we always want to hear from you so please email at southinfo at islandstress.bc.ca

[0:25:01] Trustee Patrick: and we'll review the correspondence policies there and make sure that we address those

[0:25:06] Trustee Patrick: okay moving back to our agenda we have a series of minutes here for

[0:25:15] Trustee Patrick: for adoption we have the minutes from the march 5th meeting i'm sorry i'm trying to open that up

[0:25:21] Trustee Patrick: in front of me here because i know i had some corrections are there any corrections um noted

[0:25:28] Trustee Patrick: to the march 5th minutes i

[0:25:32] Voice 12: didn't see any and now i'm getting nervous that i missed something

[0:25:35] Voice 12: i

[0:25:36] Trustee Patrick: did notice there are a couple of um there are some just some minor edit edits and i would ask

[0:25:43] Trustee Patrick: that maybe just take a read through there just just some some there was just a series especially

[0:25:49] Trustee Patrick: in the first section about the community information meetings that had some um just some

[0:25:54] Trustee Patrick: grammar spell uh not spelling but just a few nitpicks so i would ask that that just have a

[0:25:59] Trustee Patrick: quick review i don't it doesn't affect it i just want to look at um on page seven of the agenda

[0:26:08] Trustee Patrick: agenda package item six of the minutes uh there was a question that um donna spaulding had asked

[0:26:14] Trustee Patrick: about the cost of advertising and said that uh chair noted uh a resolution had been passed

[0:26:20] Trustee Patrick: at the union bc um no the the the resolution there is a resolution going forward to the

[0:26:30] Trustee Patrick: union of bc municipalities uh for this year um and so i can either correct that with um with

[0:26:39] Trustee Patrick: shannon i can provide the what what i had said but it wasn't passed yet it was islands trust

[0:26:45] Trustee Patrick: is putting forward a motion to ubcm this year requesting that we have more um access to

[0:26:54] Trustee Patrick: different forms of advertising than what's prescripted currently through the local

[0:26:59] Trustee Patrick: government act um so if you're okay i could just correct that with the um afterwards provide that

[0:27:08] Trustee Patrick: please just want to make sure that that's correct uh was there another one sorry that was a long

[0:27:15] Trustee Patrick: set of minutes so i'm just sort of scrolling through quickly to see if i had another note

[0:27:19] Trustee Patrick: no i think that was the most important one yeah

[0:27:21] Voice 9: um

[0:27:22] Trustee Patrick: any other corrections uh cameron thorn

[0:27:26] Voice 4: not a hill to die on but i just see that my name is misspelled in a few cases in the march series

[0:27:31] Voice 4: with an e an e on the end i don't think it's the case in the in the most recent april 9th minutes

[0:27:37] Voice 4: but if we're making edits anyhow yeah

[0:27:41] Trustee Patrick: i think there's a series so i can we think we can note

[0:27:43] Trustee Patrick: that to check spelling of names and just some some a minor read for um uh just edits i'm just

[0:27:51] Voice 12: just happy that it was noted that trustee Thorne knee said he was looking forward to spring

[0:27:57] Voice 12: it's all critical information here did

[0:28:01] Voice 4: I say that

[0:28:03] Voice 12: it says so

[0:28:07] Trustee Patrick: anyway any other corrections otherwise can we approve the adopt the minutes through general

[0:28:13] Trustee Patrick: consent as as amended yes

[0:28:15] Voice 12: all

[0:28:16] Trustee Patrick: right thank you very much we have another set of minutes here

[0:28:19] Trustee Patrick: are then from the March. Oh, so no, sorry. The March 5th, the public hearing records for both

[0:28:31] Trustee Patrick: items 812 and 813 are just here for receipt. And then it's the special meeting from April 9th.

[0:28:38] Trustee Patrick: Are there any corrections or changes noted for the minutes from April 9th?

[0:28:44] Voice 12: I didn't see any there either.

[0:28:46] Trustee Patrick: All right. If not, can we approve those minutes through

[0:28:49] Trustee Patrick: general consent excellent okay so going on we do have um the the um there's a resolutions without

[0:28:59] Trustee Patrick: meetings if they're here on page 28 um sorry scrolling through my minutes there was just the

[0:29:06] Trustee Patrick: one and um then we have we do have now it was an addendum to here was the minutes from the advisory

[0:29:14] Trustee Patrick: planning commission minutes are here for information okay going on we have the

[0:29:23] Trustee Patrick: follow-up action list on page 29 of the agenda package yes sure

[0:29:28] Voice 4: um it's not you

[0:29:31] Voice 4: know those are not the LTC minutes but so maybe this is a question more than

[0:29:39] Voice 4: anything I had read the draft minutes and I had um um considered them against um the the

[0:29:48] Voice 4: conversation that occurred on the during the the zoom meeting I felt in some ways that that the

[0:29:53] Voice 4: minutes didn't necessarily capture a lot of what was said in the in the meeting

[0:30:00] Voice 4: um a lot it seemed like a lot of the bullets in the in the in the minutes talked about questions

[0:30:07] Voice 4: of how many people were notified and the means for notifying people other than a lot of the meat

[0:30:12] Voice 4: of the substance of the discussion so again it's not my minutes but is there is is there an

[0:30:18] Voice 4: opportunity for those to be i guess revisited by the members themselves as to whether those minutes

[0:30:23] Voice 4: actually reflect what was said correct

[0:30:25] Trustee Patrick: they will receive those minutes at their next meeting and

[0:30:28] Trustee Patrick: have that opportunity to comment and adopt those minutes reflecting their conversations okay great

[0:30:34] Voice 4: thanks all

[0:30:37] Trustee Patrick: right uh so follow-up action list on page 29 are there any uh questions uh for staff

[0:30:42] Trustee Patrick: in the follow-up action list or any staff that need to talk about any items on the follow-up

[0:30:46] Trustee Patrick: action list nope i'm seeing not seeing anyone shaking their heads yes so we'll keep moving

[0:30:54] Trustee Patrick: uh we have a delegation uh today um from the capital regional district on the southern gulf

[0:31:01] Trustee Patrick: Island Transportation Integration Plan. Oops, sorry, I can't operate two computers.

[0:31:14] Trustee Patrick: Who's going to be providing that? I was going to say there's Justine Stark. I was hoping it

[0:31:18] Trustee Patrick: was Justine Stark. Welcome back, Justine Stark from the Capital Regional District. How are you?

[0:31:25] Trustee Patrick: Thank you. I'm good.

[0:31:26] Voice 12: I just broke into a cold sweat.

[0:31:30] Voice 3: Yeah, no, thank you for having me at the South Pender Local Trust Committee meeting. I'm

[0:31:35] Voice 3: I'm here just to raise awareness of the local trust committee to one of the exciting things that I'm working on at the CRD, which is a transportation integration service study.

[0:31:52] Voice 3: So I'm just going to, I don't know if I can, can I add to the chat here? I have some links to the background.

[0:32:02] Voice 3: ground. I don't really have a formal presentation, but I will. There we go. Is a background or there

[0:32:11] Voice 3: in the chat. So a couple years ago, the Community Economic Sustainability Commission, which is

[0:32:18] Voice 3: the Economic Development Commission comprised of representatives from each of the four main islands,

[0:32:24] Voice 3: they made a request to the CRD board that it consider creating a transportation commission.

[0:32:29] Voice 3: Now, the way CRD and regional district services work is commissions are established and they're comprised of local residents who are appointed to advise on service delivery for whatever that service is.

[0:32:43] Voice 3: And so in order to have a commission, you need to establish a service. And so, you know, down the road, we've been embarking on this exploration of what a transportation service might look like for the Southern Gulf Islands.

[0:33:03] Voice 3: And so that's the project we've launched. We've hired Watt Consulting to help us cost out and identify an intermodal transportation service.

[0:33:16] Voice 3: So we're looking at how public transit and active transportation networks and inter-island passenger ferries might all be connected to facilitate mobility on the islands in a way that requires less reliance on the single occupancy vehicle and provides more options and opportunities for islanders.

[0:33:41] Voice 3: so um the goal is to kind of understand what role the crd might take in that and what the cost to

[0:33:49] Voice 3: the taxpayer might be and what kind of um you know viability might have for each of those modes and

[0:33:55] Voice 3: we're going to look at them individually and then look at them integrated um and so basically the um

[0:34:04] Voice 3: so each mode is a little bit different right so the community buses that have been piloted on the

[0:34:09] Voice 3: the islands have operated just on the edge of viability and um you know that the the one on

[0:34:15] Voice 3: pender was discontinued last year um and we've got we've we're working with those community bus

[0:34:21] Voice 3: societies to understand what the shortfall is and operating costs and how you know how they might

[0:34:27] Voice 3: what what kind of level of subsidy or public funding might um enable them to provide a

[0:34:33] Voice 3: sustainable regular service for the islands um similarly um with the active transportation

[0:34:38] Voice 3: routes. We know that great groups like the Moving Around Pender Society trying to build roadside

[0:34:44] Voice 3: trails run into problems with the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure not being

[0:34:49] Voice 3: willing to issue licenses of occupation to non-profit groups. They want to issue it to

[0:34:53] Voice 3: a local government and so the role of the CRD would be to hold that license of occupation and

[0:34:59] Voice 3: work with community groups to build integrated networks for active transportation. And then again

[0:35:08] Voice 3: Again, you know, like what would the costs of that be?

[0:35:10] Voice 3: I see the CRD's role maybe just being administering

[0:35:14] Voice 3: and holding those permits for now,

[0:35:15] Voice 3: knowing how expensive it is to build out

[0:35:18] Voice 3: active transportation networks,

[0:35:20] Voice 3: but it would also enable the CRD to be a body

[0:35:22] Voice 3: that could accept funding if grants were applied

[0:35:26] Voice 3: to federal and provincial infrastructure funds, for example.

[0:35:30] Voice 3: So there is a supportive role that the CRD could be,

[0:35:34] Voice 3: be but it's it's all eventually would be you know up to the tax payer to through a voter assent

[0:35:47] Voice 3: process say yes to the whatever service models are are presented for consideration. So I'm

[0:35:58] Voice 3: expecting some questions some referendum questions on the 2022 municipal ballot based on the results

[0:36:04] Voice 3: and the recommendations of our report,

[0:36:06] Voice 3: which will be wound up at the end of this year.

[0:36:08] Voice 3: So, oh, and I also wanted to explain the inter-island piece,

[0:36:14] Voice 3: so the passenger ferry piece.

[0:36:16] Voice 3: The idea is that sort of like the touristy zeal

[0:36:20] Voice 3: that has been piloted as though that was geared more

[0:36:22] Voice 3: towards tourism, that the BC ferries doesn't serve

[0:36:26] Voice 3: the islanders in a way that enables main islanders

[0:36:30] Voice 3: to easily go to Pender and back in one day.

[0:36:32] Voice 3: and certainly if we had better connections between the islands we could share labor

[0:36:37] Voice 3: and housing so you could have an early childhood educator living on pender and working on galliano

[0:36:42] Voice 3: where they they might have to close their daycare because they can't find an early childhood

[0:36:47] Voice 3: educator because there's no housing on galliano and all the issues of the islands um some some

[0:36:53] Voice 3: could be supported with a sustainable transportation system so that's that's what we're looking to do

[0:36:59] Voice 3: to cost it out and and to um and to work with the community to develop a model that's right

[0:37:05] Voice 3: sized for the southern gulf islands and that um would be a cost sharing across different um

[0:37:11] Voice 3: maybe different partners um we're looking at you know whether the school district would be

[0:37:15] Voice 3: willing to partner with us for example other lots of opportunities so um in the interest of time i

[0:37:22] Voice 3: I won't get into too much more detail now,

[0:37:26] Voice 3: that to say that, yeah, what consulting is,

[0:37:28] Voice 3: we've established our community engagement process

[0:37:33] Voice 3: is looking at, we've established three advisory groups

[0:37:38] Voice 3: focused on each mode.

[0:37:39] Voice 3: So where we've invited like the trail societies

[0:37:41] Voice 3: and the parks commission to come and talk to us about trails

[0:37:44] Voice 3: and active transportation networks.

[0:37:46] Voice 3: And similarly with the water transportation,

[0:37:49] Voice 3: we're talking to, you know, water taxis

[0:37:51] Voice 3: and other folks that have some expertise and and with the public transit we're looking at

[0:37:56] Voice 3: um the community buses and but we're also um interviewing stakeholders like bc transit so

[0:38:02] Voice 3: there will be an analysis of the the difference between a community bus model and a bc transit

[0:38:07] Voice 3: model what the cost implications are other you know other considerations like flexibility that

[0:38:14] Voice 3: might be limited with the bc transit model even though there might be more provincial funding

[0:38:18] Voice 3: under that model.

[0:38:21] Voice 3: So I'll turn it over to you for questions.

[0:38:24] Voice 3: It's a big, ambitious project, my favorite kind.

[0:38:28] Voice 3: And yeah, let me know if I can answer any questions.

[0:38:33] Trustee Patrick: Well, thank you, Trustee Wright.

[0:38:36] Voice 12: Well, you said that if I heard you correct,

[0:38:40] Voice 12: it was the CESC that has requested this be taken on.

[0:38:46] Voice 12: and you also mentioned something I can't remember how it said I think was tax dollar approved so I'm

[0:38:56] Voice 12: assuming that means referendum and so with all these other sources of income and grants that

[0:39:05] Voice 12: you were speaking of just is there any idea of what that percentage of taxpayer funded

[0:39:11] Voice 12: funded uh project this will take and how much is the crd because i'm assuming you're already

[0:39:15] Voice 12: getting paid uh from crd coffers in order to even do the preliminary study and put this all thing

[0:39:22] Voice 12: together so um i'm just trying to get some idea of of what if there's any idea of what the total

[0:39:31] Voice 12: cost of just developing this project is and how much you're going to be asking for taxpayers to

[0:39:35] Voice 12: to pay in addition to their dollars because that's going to be the big issue here guaranteed oh

[0:39:42] Voice 3: absolutely um through the chair if you don't mind i'll respond and say that's the whole point of our

[0:39:48] Voice 3: project is to

[0:39:49] Voice 3: identify what the cost to the taxpayer would be to have a and in the most

[0:39:55] Voice 3: modest way possible for the base level of service that the community needs and so um you know there's

[0:40:01] Voice 3: going to be a balance and and some managing of expectations it's like yes everybody wants the

[0:40:06] Voice 3: full meal deal and wants amazing service but what what will that cost and what level of service are

[0:40:11] Voice 3: you willing to live with and what level of cost are you living to and where's the sweet spot there

[0:40:15] Voice 3: um so that is the point of our project is to come at those numbers so that we can go to referendum

[0:40:21] Voice 3: in 2022 with that information um out in the community and um to answer your question this

[0:40:28] Voice 3: study that we're undertaking is was funded through Community Works Fund so

[0:40:33] Voice 3: we got a grant to embark on the study.

[0:40:38] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[0:40:39] Trustee Patrick: Jesse Thorne, any questions?

[0:40:43] Voice 4: No, I'm just looking back through some old emails. I

[0:40:47] Voice 4: recall that there were some conversations back probably pre-pandemic

[0:40:53] Voice 4: where there was a discussion amongst I think myself and Steve and perhaps

[0:41:01] Voice 4: trustees from north pender and maybe even from salt spring about about um some of the

[0:41:07] Voice 4: the end objectives that we were trying to achieve and i know in the case i think the previous

[0:41:12] Voice 4: trustees had had brought forward some motions that tried to facilitate alternative modes of

[0:41:18] Voice 4: transportation around the island and you know we've been trying to um promote more um riding

[0:41:25] Voice 4: riding a bicycles. There's, there's a bunch of interrelated issues and I'm trying to figure out,

[0:41:31] Voice 4: you know, like, it just seems like it's turned into a very complicated process and, and, you

[0:41:36] Voice 4: know, hopefully that's not the way it has to be. And, and I realized there's a lot of interrelated

[0:41:41] Voice 4: bodies. There's, there's MOTI, there's us, there's a CRD, there's questions of who's got envelopes

[0:41:47] Voice 4: of funding and who they share it with and who they don't. And, you know, I, I know again,

[0:41:52] Voice 4: Again, Steve and Ben, I think, were probably more directly involved a year or more ago

[0:41:57] Voice 4: when we were trying to get some answers out of, I think at that time, MOTI about how we

[0:42:04] Voice 4: could regrade the shoulders in a way that would allow us to make better use of the public

[0:42:09] Voice 4: rights away.

[0:42:12] Voice 4: I mean, at the end of the day, I think there's a, just to kind of get down to brass tacks,

[0:42:17] Voice 4: A lot of us would like, even on a volunteer basis, like they did on Hornby years ago, where they built bike pathways in the public right of way.

[0:42:27] Voice 4: I mean, I think they're great for so many different reasons.

[0:42:29] Voice 4: People, I think, feel more comfortable with them being separated from the asphalt surface.

[0:42:35] Voice 4: I think it's both from a safety point of view and from an aesthetic point of view.

[0:42:38] Voice 4: you know at the end of the day all i'm trying to do is make sure that we find alternative modes of

[0:42:44] Voice 4: transportation that don't have to become bureaucratic in nature i'm not saying that that's

[0:42:50] Voice 4: your objective i don't mean it that way but you know just trying to find some solutions that maybe

[0:42:54] Voice 4: are cost effective and practical and maybe where the community can actually pitch in and do some

[0:42:59] Voice 4: things but i don't know if justin at the end of the day if any of this any of the objectives that

[0:43:05] Voice 4: I'm hoping to see on our island are somehow related with what you're trying to do at your end

[0:43:10] Voice 4: because we just want in some ways people to kind of I don't want to say get out of the way and let

[0:43:16] Voice 4: us do it but we we're just we're just wishing that we could work with the various bodies that

[0:43:20] Voice 4: are out there so that we could we could achieve our end objectives yeah

[0:43:25] Voice 3: and um

[0:43:30] Voice 9: sorry this

[0:43:31] Voice 3: is this is exactly um you know what most islanders want they want to be able to just

[0:43:38] Voice 3: easily and in a cost-effective way do it themselves and yet there is a lot of bureaucracy

[0:43:45] Voice 3: in the way of that happening which is why the CRD was requested to step in because I mean like and

[0:43:52] Voice 3: all the considerations from the fact that the Ministry of Transportation road right-of-way

[0:43:57] Voice 3: isn't as it seems and it actually there might be some room along the paved surface for one the

[0:44:05] Voice 3: length of one property but then the next door neighbor's properties line will go straight to

[0:44:10] Voice 3: the paved surface and so there's it is inherently complicated and um moti will no longer issue those

[0:44:18] Voice 3: licenses to just any group you know hornby is always the example people use um and it was it

[0:44:25] Voice 3: was just done before anyone said that it could be done um um excuse me one second i have to hang

[0:44:34] Voice 3: that up or it'll be annoying um so that's that's my method if you try to call me on my landline

[0:44:43] Voice 3: i'm just going to hang up on you um you know i don't uh so we're looking for again road standards

[0:44:51] Voice 3: and for the active transportation networks especially it's a super hot topic it's something

[0:44:55] Voice 3: that will be explored through the study and fleshed out and costed out so um we're going to

[0:45:00] Voice 3: to try and get the most minimum standard that meets people's needs um that we can approve but

[0:45:07] Voice 3: um as we move through this process and we have more information we'll be coming back to the

[0:45:11] Voice 3: community with the results of all the research um that that what consulting is doing and so we'll

[0:45:17] Voice 3: have we'll be able to have like a more detailed conversation about that and it is all about for

[0:45:21] Voice 3: the active transportations it's all about cost and standards and can we just do it ourselves and um

[0:45:27] Voice 3: So, hopefully. Salt Springs an interesting example because they have a transportation commission that also has a partnership with the nonprofit trail society and so they're kind of like modeling what what could be possible on the islands as well but you talk to them and it's not without its bureaucracy and headaches and you still need engineered designs for Modi to issue the license like there's some things that we're not going to be able to get around.

[0:45:52] Voice 3: out so

[0:45:52] Voice 4: just just another question um and and um again steve probably knows a hell of a lot more

[0:45:59] Voice 4: about this topic than i do as as does ben who i know was working on this quite a bit um you know

[0:46:05] Voice 4: the the the page 32 of our agenda package has a little um a little bit of information about about

[0:46:11] Voice 4: the project and you know where we are now you know stakeholder outreach mapping is there going to be

[0:46:18] Voice 4: I mean, sometimes, you know, obviously we're not meeting in person in this day and age,

[0:46:26] Voice 4: but has your group considered any kind of PowerPoint presentations or other ways of

[0:46:35] Voice 4: outreach to give people a better sense?

[0:46:38] Voice 4: Because there's a lot of, you know, again, I'm used to bureaucracy in what I do for a

[0:46:44] Voice 4: of living, but a lot of people, and I find some of this confusing and I'm sure many other people

[0:46:49] Voice 4: do as well, you know, trying to understand the interrelationship between, you know, MOT's role

[0:46:55] Voice 4: and I guess they get probably underlying ownership of the title, but, and then, and then the, you

[0:47:00] Voice 4: know, the licensing agreement and how that works with your organization. And then ultimately how

[0:47:05] Voice 4: that distills down to allowing us to kind of go through what we want to do rather than just like,

[0:47:12] Voice 4: Like, is there any kind of proactive communication venues

[0:47:16] Voice 4: that are being planned where people can maybe ask questions

[0:47:19] Voice 4: and get a more granular explanation of things?

[0:47:22] Voice 3: Mm-hmm, yes.

[0:47:24] Voice 3: Phase two of our engagement plan

[0:47:26] Voice 3: will be the fall, September fall.

[0:47:28] Voice 3: We're waiting to be able to get

[0:47:31] Voice 3: like an interactive platform online

[0:47:34] Voice 3: where people can do some community mapping

[0:47:36] Voice 3: and ask questions.

[0:47:37] Voice 3: And so we need to get that in place.

[0:47:40] Voice 3: and then um we do have some zoom kind of town hall and where we'll present information and

[0:47:47] Voice 3: hear from the community and if we're allowed to do in-person meetings we'll do that um we're

[0:47:52] Voice 3: going to have some open houses out on the islands the community halls where we put up information

[0:47:56] Voice 3: and have an opportunity for sticky notes and people to engage that way so yeah we'll go but

[0:48:01] Voice 3: we're not gonna um we're doing the preliminary uh work to to find out the information that people

[0:48:07] Voice 3: are going to have questions on before we go to that that more broader community engagement we

[0:48:12] Voice 3: need to we need to figure out how it all works ourselves first.

[0:48:16] Voice 12: Okay I'm not aware of any

[0:48:19] Voice 12: community discussion that CESE has or C or whatever they call themselves has put out to

[0:48:27] Voice 12: the community and I'm a pretty strong advocate for community and involvement here and I

[0:48:35] Voice 12: And I understand that the study, once it's done, is going to go to the public.

[0:48:40] Voice 12: But I'm wondering whether there's been any public output to the public to determine what level of service do we want.

[0:48:52] Voice 12: I mean, we have a base service now.

[0:48:55] Voice 12: Are people happy with that?

[0:48:56] Voice 12: Have enough people stayed other than special groups that may not have the same motivation as the community groups have or individual community members have?

[0:49:07] Voice 12: So I'm wondering if the community has,

[0:49:10] Voice 12: any community has been involved

[0:49:12] Voice 12: in determining the scope of this study

[0:49:14] Voice 12: and that would directly relate to the cost.

[0:49:17] Voice 12: I just don't see any point having a full blown study

[0:49:20] Voice 12: unless there's some sort of idea of community support

[0:49:24] Voice 12: for going in a specific direction

[0:49:26] Voice 12: because some of those smaller items that would be favorable

[0:49:31] Voice 12: may not succeed because of the overall package

[0:49:34] Voice 12: is just seen as too large.

[0:49:37] Voice 3: mm-hmm so this is the beginning of our project and um we've met with uh subject matter interest

[0:49:45] Voice 3: groups um for each mode and now i'm i'm starting the process of presenting the information to the

[0:49:51] Voice 3: local trust committees at a public meeting and before service model recommendations are made

[0:49:58] Voice 3: we will go to the broader community like i just mentioned in the town halls and the open houses

[0:50:03] Voice 3: to get feedback on different service models,

[0:50:07] Voice 3: levels of service and cost sensitivity.

[0:50:11] Voice 3: So it's not gonna be a final report

[0:50:15] Voice 3: that's presented to the community,

[0:50:17] Voice 3: but it's gonna be some suggestions

[0:50:19] Voice 3: that are fleshed out enough to have the rigor

[0:50:22] Voice 3: to be able to give some idea

[0:50:24] Voice 3: and get meaningful feedback on viable options,

[0:50:29] Voice 3: if you know what I mean.

[0:50:30] Voice 3: like we um we haven't um we have and and then and it's kind of come from the community as

[0:50:39] Voice 3: representatives um of their communities the commission two years ago brought this forward

[0:50:44] Voice 3: as something they heard on their islands from as a need and had the discussion and brought it

[0:50:50] Voice 3: forward in that way so um yeah

[0:50:54] Voice 12: i'm a little concerned about that because i i understand

[0:50:57] Voice 12: the special interest groups um motivation and this and that's what i'm speaking to but

[0:51:02] Voice 12: But quite frankly, you know, they don't have, they're not able to speak on behalf of the community because they're not held accountable.

[0:51:10] Voice 12: The only people that are held accountable are elected officials.

[0:51:12] Voice 12: And so I think, without being too critical, I think maybe the horse is in front of the cart in this particular, or behind the cart in this particular issue,

[0:51:20] Voice 12: that I think perhaps rather than start running away on a project that is created from a special

[0:51:28] Voice 12: interest group that maybe it might be wiser to start with the community level and establish

[0:51:34] Voice 12: what the community itself wants and expects and would be happy with rather than go through all

[0:51:41] Voice 12: the trouble and the expense of creating as I said a larger picture that may not ever be accepted.

[0:51:47] Voice 12: to anyway just a suggestion

[0:51:51] Trustee Patrick: i'm i'm hearing at the beginning that they're at the beginning stages

[0:51:55] Trustee Patrick: and going through a process i applaud that you're looking at all three types of transportation

[0:52:00] Trustee Patrick: together because that's uh you know an integrated approach is just so wise and uh sounds like

[0:52:06] Trustee Patrick: there'll be a lot of information coming this is about information to make make decisions and to

[0:52:11] Trustee Patrick: narrow that down um it's my understanding so uh there'll be more conversations coming

[0:52:18] Trustee Patrick: coming. So, any final questions for Justine? Otherwise, there you go.

[0:52:28] Voice 4: Yeah, actually, one other question, sorry. You mentioned about the ferry network as well,

[0:52:34] Voice 4: and I mean, they're all great ideas, and I wish we had a magic wand. Are you then, to some degree,

[0:52:40] Voice 4: interfacing with BC Ferries on this as well, in terms of trying to facilitate better connectivity

[0:52:45] Voice 4: activity with the ferries?

[0:52:48] Voice 3: Yes, absolutely.

[0:52:50] Voice 3: BC Ferries is a main stakeholder

[0:52:52] Voice 3: and we're just arranging our interview with them now.

[0:52:57] Voice 3: But so we'd like to know where their service review is going.

[0:53:05] Voice 3: But at the end of the day, I think that the,

[0:53:09] Voice 3: and also we'd like to explore alternatives

[0:53:13] Voice 3: to the model that we do see serving

[0:53:15] Voice 3: with Southern Gulf Islands right now.

[0:53:16] Voice 3: Like there are examples in other places in the province where they run smaller boats, even on an on-call basis.

[0:53:22] Voice 3: And so we know that BC Ferries has already established examples of serving island communities in different ways.

[0:53:31] Voice 3: And so we will be exploring what opportunities there might be to do something under the BC Ferries framework.

[0:53:37] Voice 3: framework um you know the uh if you've been involved in ferry advisory groups or in working

[0:53:42] Voice 3: with bc ferries in the past you know there's a whole um that that's a whole it's a very big

[0:53:48] Voice 3: conversation to have and of course the the ferries get their mandate from the provincial government

[0:53:53] Voice 3: a common response you have um when you ask about changes as well get the province to put that in

[0:54:00] Voice 3: the mandate letter to us and or in the supply agreement with us and um and then we'll do it

[0:54:05] Voice 3: so uh we'll see where we

[0:54:09] Voice 3: go with that thank

[0:54:12] Voice 12: you thanks justine good luck okay thank you thank you

[0:54:16] Trustee Patrick: for coming today and look forward to more of this conversation thank you all right trustees

[0:54:23] Trustee Patrick: everyone's doing well keep proceeding you got it

[0:54:27] Trustee Patrick: that's good so the uh next item on the agenda

[0:54:32] Trustee Patrick: Agenda is we're-

[0:54:34] Trustee Patrick: Correspondence,

[0:54:34] Voice 12: strangely enough.

[0:54:36] Trustee Patrick: Yes, well, correspondence, and it has been filed.

[0:54:39] Trustee Patrick: And as we spoke earlier, we'll just do a review

[0:54:41] Trustee Patrick: on making sure that the correspondence is getting out

[0:54:44] Trustee Patrick: that's expected.

[0:54:46] Trustee Patrick: And I'd

[0:54:47] Voice 12: also ask the public to try and be patient

[0:54:51] Voice 12: at this particular time,

[0:54:52] Voice 12: because I know staff has been totally involved

[0:54:55] Voice 12: in getting this new webpage up and running.

[0:54:57] Voice 12: And so there may be some delays

[0:54:59] Voice 12: just based on that reason alone.

[0:55:01] Voice 12: launch all right

[0:55:04] Trustee Patrick: thank you so going on we have item 13.1 which is the alternative housing and

[0:55:11] Trustee Patrick: there's a staff report beginning on page 33 and I guess is that who's going to give that report

[0:55:17] Trustee Patrick: Dicey Planner Stockdale thank

[0:55:20] Voice 2: you Chair Patrick yes Planner Chadwick unfortunately cannot make

[0:55:23] Voice 2: the meeting today so on her behalf I'll just present bylaw 121 and this is in regards to

[0:55:31] Voice 2: to the recreational vehicle project

[0:55:34] Voice 2: the South Bender LTC has been working on.

[0:55:37] Voice 2: The by-law 121, first reading was given

[0:55:41] Voice 2: in January of this year, second and third reading

[0:55:44] Voice 2: was given at the March 5th meeting.

[0:55:48] Voice 2: It then went to EC for approval on April 14th.

[0:55:52] Voice 2: And because this is a land use by-law,

[0:55:55] Voice 2: it does not need to receive approval

[0:55:58] Voice 2: approval from the Minister of Municipal Affairs. So this one now comes back to the LTC to consider

[0:56:05] Voice 2: adoption. So there is a recommendation on page 33 of the agenda. The bylaw is on page, I believe,

[0:56:13] Voice 2: 35. So recommendation there for the LTC to adopt a bylaw number 121.

[0:56:23] Trustee Patrick: Great. Thank you, Honourable Dr. Preston. What

[0:56:25] Trustee Patrick: would you like to do?

[0:56:26] Trustee Patrick: Well,

[0:56:30] Voice 12: I think this bylaw, while it's not perfect, I admit, does give some clarification to what we're trying to do with RVs and their permitted use.

[0:56:42] Voice 12: And we've extended or included a camping provision for up to 90 days per calendar year, which I think is reasonable.

[0:56:50] Voice 12: And while we cannot absolutely guarantee that these are set up with septic fields and that sort of stuff because of the jurisdictional disputes between different outfits, I'm fairly happy that we've done what we can at the moment.

[0:57:07] Voice 12: And so I would, if there's no opposition from my co-trustee, I'll move that the South Bender Island Local Trust Committee bylaw 121 cited as the South Bender Island line.

[0:57:20] Voice 12: use bylaw number 114 2016 amendment number 120 21.

[0:57:27] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second to this motion? Trustee Thorne?

[0:57:30] Trustee Patrick: Any discussion?

[0:57:32] Voice 4: Well not not a lot I mean we had a number of discussions earlier on on this topic

[0:57:37] Voice 4: and I agree with Steve. I think you know any bylaw on any topic is going to there's going to be

[0:57:46] Voice 4: people that are feeling it went too far and other people feel didn't go far enough and like

[0:57:51] Voice 4: like anything in public service is trying to find a balance of of of competing interests and i think

[0:57:57] Voice 4: that that's what we try to find here and and um and you know i i i think we have struck the

[0:58:03] Voice 4: appropriate balance here and so on that basis um i'll be supporting the motion for the recommendation

[0:58:09] Voice 4: thank

[0:58:10] Trustee Patrick: you any other discussion i'll call the vote then all those in favor all right

[0:58:17] Trustee Patrick: and that's

[0:58:18] Trustee Patrick: carried so the next report we have 13.2 it's a shoreline review we have a staff memo it's on

[0:58:25] Trustee Patrick: page 37 of the agenda baggage i see the regional planning manager kojima thank

[0:58:33] Voice 10: you so um the last

[0:58:36] Voice 10: local trust committee meeting uh ltc spent quite a bit of time sort of defining uh its future

[0:58:42] Voice 10: projects as it's wrapping up the current projects um two of them minor leb amendments and minor

[0:58:48] Voice 10: OCP amendments are subsequently on the agenda for today. And the third top priority the LTC

[0:58:55] Voice 10: identified in kind of a general way was a shoreline review or shoreline project. And

[0:59:01] Voice 10: this memo simply sort of suggests, I guess, an approach the LTC could consider

[0:59:09] Voice 10: towards this topic and sort of provides some context for the LTC to have a bit of a discussion

[0:59:16] Voice 10: about how and if it wants to proceed further with this topic.

[0:59:21] Voice 10: And I think most importantly, it attaches the Keats Island shoreline project discussion paper

[0:59:28] Voice 10: to kind of give an example of some of the work that's being done specifically in the Gambier Local Trust area

[0:59:38] Voice 10: and whether or not this is kind of the direction the South Pender Island Local Trust Committee would want to proceed with.

[0:59:44] Voice 10: And I guess potentially if the manner in which the LTC wants to proceed with this project you could ask staff to come back with a project charter with the time.

[1:00:00] Voice 10: line um for it but mainly this is a opportunity for the local trust committee to have a bit of a

[1:00:06] Voice 10: bit of a further discussion about uh where you want to go with this topic all right trustees

[1:00:13] Trustee Patrick: questions for staff well

[1:00:15] Voice 12: thank you robert i um in reading through the this uh discussion uh paper

[1:00:21] Voice 12: that was uh sent from keats um it's a pretty impressive piece of work they've um identified

[1:00:28] Voice 12: a number of similar issues that I've been concerned with

[1:00:32] Voice 12: with our shoreline development and protection thereof.

[1:00:35] Voice 12: So it's a fairly lengthy document

[1:00:40] Voice 12: and I'm not, I haven't really had time to see

[1:00:43] Voice 12: how much of it actually pertains to the South Bender

[1:00:47] Voice 12: and whether it's applicable for utilizing it

[1:00:51] Voice 12: as a significant example,

[1:00:54] Voice 12: but there's certainly many things here that does work.

[1:00:58] Voice 12: So I'd like to hear from Cam and see what he thinks,

[1:01:02] Voice 12: but my leaning is I wouldn't mind referring this to our APC

[1:01:08] Voice 12: for them just to look at for informational purposes

[1:01:13] Voice 12: and then give us some suggestions

[1:01:15] Voice 12: on whether they think it's applicable or not

[1:01:22] Voice 12: and get that back information back to us relatively soon,

[1:01:27] Voice 12: if uh just not leaning on them too much yeah

[1:01:32] Voice 4: um thanks steve um i um have not fully fully

[1:01:39] Voice 4: read this document uh robert i just was focusing on a few other things but i did i did take a an

[1:01:46] Voice 4: overview of the discussion paper and i think you know there was there was gambier was an example

[1:01:52] Voice 4: and keats was an example and from what i understand you know that the keats i think

[1:01:57] Voice 4: maybe has is it shines a bit you know has a perhaps a clearer pathway forward and one where

[1:02:03] Voice 4: they seem to have had a bit more momentum than what's gone on on on Gambier and and you know I

[1:02:12] Voice 4: also believe that if there's some obviously some models that we can look at that have been used

[1:02:16] Voice 4: elsewhere that those are the ones that we're going to want to try and and look to recognizing

[1:02:20] Voice 4: obviously every island is unique the the thing that I like also because I know there is

[1:02:27] Voice 4: Because, you know, the topics of like the idea of a DP area along the shoreline, obviously, for some people raises a lot of alarm bells that it's somehow going to be intrusionary to property rights.

[1:02:45] Voice 4: While other people recognize that it's, you know, again, it's a balancing of, we're not trying to undermine anybody's property rights, but it's also how we protect the shoreline and in a variety of different ways.

[1:02:57] Voice 4: What I like about the discussion paper is that there was a working group that was established, and I think that's an important thing so that, you know, these are kind of things that aren't to be rushed and they're not to be made by sort of made strictly at the LTC level without an awful lot of public input.

[1:03:22] Voice 4: And so I think the idea just at face value that we would establish not, you know, to Steve's point, it's great to put this over to the APC, but I also think that as we move forward, we want to look at how we could have a very robust method of engaging our residents in looking at this item.

[1:03:40] Voice 4: So I'm interested in learning more about it.

[1:03:43] Voice 4: oh

[1:03:44] Trustee Patrick: thank you and i can tell you uh we're you're kind of neck and neck on this issue with fetus

[1:03:49] Trustee Patrick: island as we we received this a very similar report just last uh just a few weeks ago uh and

[1:03:56] Trustee Patrick: they're just progressing slowly as well and spending more time just talking about what exactly

[1:04:01] Trustee Patrick: is it or where the concerns are um and so they've left it as a broader uh i think i think i don't

[1:04:10] Trustee Patrick: have the words in front of me but i think they referred to either coastline or that because

[1:04:14] Trustee Patrick: shoreline has a very specific definition of where that is in the intertidal zone and all of that

[1:04:19] Trustee Patrick: and uh and they are still more interested as well as in the upland issues of how and what's happening

[1:04:25] Trustee Patrick: on the upland and incredibly see the linkages between the heritage mapping and the archaeological

[1:04:32] Trustee Patrick: protection that's coming through the heritage mapping and the relationship there so they're

[1:04:37] Trustee Patrick: They're taking a slow approach as well, just trying to narrow down on what is the most important features that they're interested in and what's the best tool to enact the protection that they'd like to see.

[1:04:56] Voice 4: Sorry, and Chair Patrick, are you the chair of that island?

[1:04:59] Trustee Patrick: Yes, I'm the chair of Thetis.

[1:05:00] Voice 4: Okay, interesting. So, yeah, so I think that's a great linkage.

[1:05:04] Voice 4: Certainly, I would like to learn, again, more if Thetis is looking at this as well.

[1:05:10] Voice 4: obviously you know having some learning learning from from what's going on there would be helpful

[1:05:15] Voice 4: for for all of us um so interestingly enough that as you might as you point out it's not

[1:05:20] Voice 4: it's more you call it more of the sorry what was the term coastline as opposed to shoreline

[1:05:26] Voice 4: uh

[1:05:26] Trustee Patrick: shoreline has a maybe robert can shoreline has a very specific definition as to what is

[1:05:31] Trustee Patrick: shoreline and maybe i'll let robert talk about the different zones um

[1:05:37] Voice 10: well there's a specific

[1:05:39] Voice 10: specific terminology like foreshore and backshore and so on that's but uh yeah coastal probably i

[1:05:46] Voice 10: think coastal the term coastal would be more inclusive than just shoreline um would make it

[1:05:52] Voice 10: clear to clear to people that you're talking about the upland area and the water area as well

[1:05:58] Voice 10: potentially so maybe

[1:06:01] Voice 10: something you can do right away is just say let's let's change let's make

[1:06:04] Voice 10: the focus of the project coastal. Good

[1:06:11] Voice 12: comment. Yeah I think one of the things that might be

[1:06:19] Voice 12: extremely beneficial for us to do and that would because this is a fairly significant project

[1:06:25] Voice 12: and I think to establish a working group see if we I'm sure we have biologists we have oceanographers

[1:06:32] Voice 12: and stuff like that in the community close at hand and it might be worthwhile for us to establish a

[1:06:39] Voice 12: working group and i think that's something that maybe cameron and i should put our heads around

[1:06:42] Voice 12: and start coming up with some names and see if we can find some volunteers um but i i want to thank

[1:06:50] Voice 12: robert for this i want to proceed with it but i i think uh i'm not really comfortable of

[1:06:58] Voice 12: of getting too much in motion until i until i get some more feedback from the community

[1:07:02] Voice 12: be

[1:07:03] Voice 10: okay so yeah just leave it as a top priority and uh yes yeah uh you know we'll put the

[1:07:11] Voice 10: this discussion paper on the web page and um you know maybe between now and the next regular

[1:07:20] Voice 10: meeting you can you can turn your minds to to how and when you want to proceed with the project

[1:07:25] Voice 10: would

[1:07:27] Voice 12: it make any sense to establish a project charter now or it's a it's better to have a little

[1:07:33] Voice 12: little more detail and better to have a little more

[1:07:35] Voice 12: detail yeah yeah okay yeah i don't want to

[1:07:38] Voice 12: there's no point pushing this thing so a

[1:07:40] Trustee Patrick: fetus is doing the same i've expressed the term kind

[1:07:43] Trustee Patrick: of lingering in the project definition phase for a little bit because this this has uh this has

[1:07:49] Trustee Patrick: if you remember the letter that we received from the lyaxa nation asked that they also be consulted

[1:07:55] Trustee Patrick: at the time you're defining the problem and so if we rush through this especially shorelines where

[1:08:01] Trustee Patrick: where it's so sensitive that this is an opportunity

[1:08:04] Trustee Patrick: to really show how we want to have meaningful engagement

[1:08:08] Trustee Patrick: and to develop a project

[1:08:09] Trustee Patrick: that meets a broad set of objectives.

[1:08:12] Voice 12: Yeah, I think this might be a nice opportunity

[1:08:16] Voice 12: for us to contact the WSENIC Leadership Council

[1:08:20] Voice 12: and maybe work some or find some areas in this project

[1:08:27] Voice 12: that we can work a little closer together.

[1:08:29] Voice 12: so I really welcome that opportunity so

[1:08:34] Trustee Patrick: that's great and I should tell just because it's quasi

[1:08:39] Trustee Patrick: related because the wasonic nature want to make sure I use the right name of the program we did

[1:08:46] Trustee Patrick: ask the executive sorry the right name of the grant too many pages of anyway I don't oh here

[1:08:58] Trustee Patrick: it is nature smart climate solutions fund uh just a like a within a month ago there was the blue

[1:09:05] Trustee Patrick: green um form that was held on pender island on uh and there's a group of a number of organizations

[1:09:11] Trustee Patrick: working toward a grant application intake that'll happen in the fall and um and they're very much

[1:09:19] Trustee Patrick: focused on both forests and the ocean carbon as well. And we passed a motion at the executive for

[1:09:31] Trustee Patrick: staff to look at opportunities to support and get involved with these organizations that are,

[1:09:36] Trustee Patrick: ouch, sorry, I have a cat that's arguing over a spot here next to me.

[1:09:42] Trustee Patrick: So I just wanted to update you in there's a relationship with First Nations

[1:09:46] Trustee Patrick: and is part of this grant as well great

[1:09:49] Voice 12: okay

[1:09:51] Trustee Patrick: so moving on then as uh page 73 is the um next is

[1:09:59] Trustee Patrick: the land use bylaw project staff report and uh hello planner stockdale thank

[1:10:05] Voice 2: you chair patrick

[1:10:06] Voice 2: uh so at the april 9th special meeting the south pender ltc placed the land use bylaw

[1:10:15] Voice 2: review as a top priority project. During that meeting, the LTC discussed some of the potential

[1:10:23] Voice 2: land use bylaw amendments that they could consider with this project. Those are the

[1:10:29] Voice 2: maximum floor area regulations, agricultural land regulations, shipping containers, setback

[1:10:37] Voice 2: to the natural boundary of the sea. Although if the South Pender LTC decides to move forward with

[1:10:44] Voice 2: a shoreline um or coastal project that could also be tied into that project so that's why it wasn't

[1:10:50] Voice 2: actually included in the short or in the project charter um and then the fifth item is just a minor

[1:10:57] Voice 2: minor and technical amendments uh to the to the land use bylaw staff have put together a project

[1:11:05] Voice 2: charter that's attached for the ltc to a review so the basics of the timeline would be um the staff

[1:11:14] Voice 2: could report back with further research on the topic areas at the July LTC meeting. There would

[1:11:21] Voice 2: be public consultation in early fall with the hope of drafting a bylaw sometime late this year

[1:11:31] Voice 2: and then readings early in the new year. If the LTC wishes to make any type of revisions or changes

[1:11:38] Voice 2: to the project charter there is a draft resolution in the alternative section of the staff report and

[1:11:45] Voice 2: that's on page 76 of the agenda the LTC also expressed a desire to do a mail out

[1:11:55] Voice 2: if the LTC would like to pursue this option there's also a resolution for the the LTC to

[1:12:01] Voice 2: to consider and also give direction exactly what is included in the mail out and also what type of

[1:12:07] Voice 2: mail out there's generally two options one is actually writing a letter sending it in the mail

[1:12:14] Voice 2: and it goes to whoever lives at that specific address or it could also be dropping a leaflet

[1:12:22] Voice 2: in the mail slot so staff have put a recommendation forward for the LTC to consider

[1:12:31] Voice 2: and that is to approve the project charter for the land use bylaw amendment project

[1:12:37] Voice 2: As I mentioned, if the LTC approves the project charter the next step would be for staff to report back with a staff report in July, providing more information on the topic areas. Thank you.

[1:12:51] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[1:12:52] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[1:12:53] Trustee Patrick: Thanks, Kim.

[1:12:55] Voice 12: Well I, I think you're correct in the setbacks from the foreshore or coastline should be included in a short line review if it comes up.

[1:13:07] Voice 12: However, if the DPA does not proceed further, I still think because of Moti's recommendation and for other reasons of climate change, et cetera, that setbacks be left in this.

[1:13:23] Voice 12: And I would also, I'd also like to open up the discussion

[1:13:28] Voice 12: interior setbacks, and I'm not talking about all properties,

[1:13:31] Voice 12: but I think there are some cases where we may want to look,

[1:13:35] Voice 12: open up the discussion about increasing interior

[1:13:37] Voice 12: setbacks as well.

[1:13:39] Voice 12: So if that requires a revision to the project charter,

[1:13:44] Voice 12: then I would, I'm happy to make that motion,

[1:13:48] Voice 12: depending on what Karen doesn't feels about it.

[1:13:57] Voice 4: Okay. You know, you're asking whether we want to look at amending the side yard setbacks?

[1:14:10] Voice 12: Yeah, all setbacks. Yep. Instead of just the ones from the foreshore.

[1:14:14] Voice 4: So right now we have, correct me if I'm wrong, staff, but right now our standard setback is 25

[1:14:20] Voice 4: feet from the property line as it faces a road, or I guess the shoreline too, it's 25 feet.

[1:14:28] Voice 4: and then the side yard setbacks are 10 feet um i think in most zones is that am i correct on that

[1:14:36] Voice 4: that's correct yeah you know it's a wrestling match because this is the darndest problem that

[1:14:44] Voice 4: we have and this is why and i this is why i really believe that we need this is a big part

[1:14:49] Voice 4: of a bigger conversation that we're going to have about about um about design and um and the

[1:14:55] Voice 4: the guidelines that we're trying to look at, because I'm, I'm really, really apprehensive

[1:15:02] Voice 4: about, um, first of all, I'm not anti-development. And first of all, I'm not trying to make it tough

[1:15:07] Voice 4: for people to build homes, but we're, you know, I, I really believe that we want to avoid the

[1:15:13] Voice 4: pitfalls and the, and, and the things that have happened in so many other pristine parts of the

[1:15:18] Voice 4: the province where where due care was not taken and and if you look at the built form there it

[1:15:25] Voice 4: is really really undermined the character of the neighborhood and so I think we really want to be

[1:15:28] Voice 4: careful we've got a lot of topography we got a lot of unique conditions on the on the island and I

[1:15:33] Voice 4: think so sometimes a 10 foot setback is great sometimes maybe even less is fine but sometimes

[1:15:40] Voice 4: sometimes more is necessary. And so it's really, you know, I'm apprehensive about changing the 10

[1:15:48] Voice 4: foot setback to an increased number because it could have unintended consequences. But, you know,

[1:15:54] Voice 4: they can be varied. I would like to, with all respects, Steve, I'm hoping we can maybe look

[1:16:00] Voice 4: at this in the broader context of the discussion around house size. And again, you know, my belief

[1:16:06] Voice 4: that again we're not richmond we're not a flat as a pancake piece of of geography where it's

[1:16:12] Voice 4: really easy to come up with a bylaw that fits all conditions we we can't do that here and so

[1:16:17] Voice 4: that's why no matter how you design a bylaw you're gonna there's gonna be so many circumstances under

[1:16:25] Voice 4: whatever arbitrary number you came up with don't work and so i'd prefer to keep it at 10 right now

[1:16:31] Voice 4: but but maybe that's one of the things through um through um the the bigger picture of house size

[1:16:40] Voice 4: and siting that could be looked at in on a case-by-case basis i

[1:16:44] Voice 12: don't disagree with you i'm

[1:16:45] Voice 12: just thinking that perhaps this is an opportunity to talk about that i mean i have i've received

[1:16:49] Voice 12: calls from people where uh properties are being developed and it's not a question of a 10-foot

[1:16:54] Voice 12: setback of the of the of a building it's a question that they've they've cleared the entire

[1:17:00] Voice 12: lot right from the lot line to lot line and so the setback is really becomes inconsequential

[1:17:07] Voice 12: as far as the character as far as any any hope of of coastal douglas fir ecosystem protection

[1:17:15] Voice 12: granted the contiguous forest cover is lost but once you remove that and you have you don't have

[1:17:22] Voice 12: wild space you lose bird habitat you lose all kinds of different habitats

[1:17:27] Voice 12: hats and um and quite frankly it encourages uh people to build fences and uh in in some cases

[1:17:37] Voice 12: that is not necessarily desired by adjacent property owners as opposed to some sort of

[1:17:43] Voice 12: greenscape so i because of those calls and because of some of those concerns that i've received

[1:17:50] Voice 12: i i just think it's uh it's worth talking about and i'm not disagreeing with the fact that it

[1:17:57] Voice 12: it may go by the wayside,

[1:17:58] Voice 12: but if we don't include it in the discussion,

[1:18:00] Voice 12: it probably won't get discussed at all.

[1:18:02] Voice 12: So I just like to have it.

[1:18:05] Voice 12: I mean, we'll kick it around some more,

[1:18:07] Voice 12: but I'd like to, if we're going to talk about setbacks,

[1:18:10] Voice 12: I'd like to talk about them all.

[1:18:12] Trustee Patrick: And an interesting, someone brought my attention

[1:18:15] Trustee Patrick: to what Squamish is considering doing,

[1:18:19] Trustee Patrick: that they've got to pass some draft bylaws to look at.

[1:18:22] Trustee Patrick: um they they sort of i don't have the details in front of me but they like down down zone the

[1:18:30] Trustee Patrick: potential for development but you got it back by doing innovative and good things

[1:18:36] Voice 9: um

[1:18:37] Trustee Patrick: so i saw that

[1:18:39] Trustee Patrick: as a positive incentive so like right now our ability to control site clearing and siting of

[1:18:45] Trustee Patrick: the house and so forth is kind of up to the owner to decide where they want to plunk it versus

[1:18:52] Trustee Patrick: if there was an ability of reducing either the the house size or lot cover or something

[1:19:00] Trustee Patrick: that you could get more by doing those good behaviors like you know preserving the land

[1:19:09] Trustee Patrick: or doing other things so it's it was just an interesting concept of of this positive

[1:19:14] Trustee Patrick: enforcement of of things i see trustee

[1:19:17] Voice 4: thorne you know i 100 agree with you um chair patrick i

[1:19:22] Voice 4: This is really what I think, and I don't know whether we're talking about this, whether this is the item in the agenda under which to talk about these things, but that's precisely my own personal belief in terms of how we need to approach this.

[1:19:40] Voice 4: again i did for those that might believe otherwise i'm not i don't think we're trying to penalize

[1:19:45] Voice 4: people for having a home and and and you know there are some larger homes on this island that

[1:19:51] Voice 4: and that i think are very very beautifully sited and they're they're larger than what uh than what

[1:19:58] Voice 4: uh than many other homes but in the in the context for which they are are are situated and for the

[1:20:03] Voice 4: design the care of design and the quality of the construction and the choices materials

[1:20:07] Voice 4: materials they're they're they're wonderful um and so i i you know whether it's the approach

[1:20:12] Voice 4: that you've mentioned in in squamish or or some of the things that that steve and i've been talking

[1:20:19] Voice 4: about is a reduced you know reduced house size um with an opportunity opportunity to create a to

[1:20:25] Voice 4: sort of um go to a larger size based on following good design principles i i think philosophically

[1:20:31] Voice 4: it's very much this we're saying the same thing city vancouver has some other things and i think

[1:20:36] Voice 4: I think one of our one of our APC members, Howard Airy, referenced it during the meeting, the recent APC meeting as well.

[1:20:45] Voice 4: And he's a very accomplished architect. But in the city of Vancouver, for example, they one of the common things and we can certainly get more information on this is for a given category of zoning or property use.

[1:21:00] Voice 4: there is there's outright approval and then there's conditional approval and it again it

[1:21:07] Voice 4: sort of goes to the same thing you know we can go through we can have our own discussions about

[1:21:11] Voice 4: about how decisions are made under those kind of models but in the city of Vancouver for example

[1:21:16] Voice 4: which again is obviously a bigger organization and they got a lot more staff to work on things but

[1:21:21] Voice 4: you know outright approval you can build to a certain baseline of of of of a property of a

[1:21:28] Voice 4: of a building, but, but, but under the conditional approval, you can, you can, you can achieve

[1:21:39] Voice 4: a greater, greater height or, or buildable area. And it's for, for demonstrating good design

[1:21:47] Voice 4: principles and good performance principles. So, you know, I, I, I'm, I think, I think that's

[1:21:52] Voice 4: really the way we want to go because we want to, we want to try and make, make a point of, of,

[1:21:58] Voice 4: of preserving the values that we have here in in this island and and again in so many other parts

[1:22:04] Voice 4: of the province we see these things um we see the consequences of what's happened so i think

[1:22:10] Voice 4: we want to do that and yet we also want to provide opportunities for people to

[1:22:13] Voice 4: to to build some some great homes and in some cases and what might be considered larger homes

[1:22:19] Voice 4: um but making sure that it fits within the fabric of of the environment in which it's situated

[1:22:25] Voice 4: you know i don't i don't think it's it's brain science or rocket science i think it's

[1:22:29] Voice 4: pretty logical approach to things oh

[1:22:32] Trustee Patrick: thank you i'll kind of look to staff out of this kind of

[1:22:35] Trustee Patrick: innovative different approaches is that something that could be conceptually in this land use bylaw

[1:22:41] Trustee Patrick: or is that a different yeah

[1:22:44] Voice 10: i think the i think the local trust committee has been

[1:22:46] Voice 10: implicit i guess in that approach in its discussion of the maximum floor area

[1:22:51] Voice 10: by reducing the maximum floor area and then linking it to the building linking a variance

[1:22:56] Voice 10: to exceed those new lower maximum floor areas to the design guidelines that they're looking

[1:23:02] Voice 10: at putting into the attaching to the ocp so that's that's that kind of discretionary approval

[1:23:08] Voice 10: approach um that both future patrick and christy thorne have alluded to yeah

[1:23:15] Voice 4: thanks robert um

[1:23:17] Voice 4: on. Yeah, exactly. That's, that's exactly it.

[1:23:25] Trustee Patrick: Okay, trustees, what would you like to do?

[1:23:32] Voice 12: Yeah, well, I'm not sure if we finished the discussion on the

[1:23:36] Voice 12: setbacks, but I would like to say that, where the hell is that

[1:23:41] Voice 12: gone? That the South Penner Island Trust Committee requests

[1:23:46] Voice 12: the staff for No, no, that's not the one.

[1:23:48] Trustee Patrick: It's on page 73.

[1:23:50] Voice 12: ah yeah well i'm two pages ahead of that one oh no i want to make the revision i want to include

[1:23:56] Voice 12: setback interior setbacks as well or just say all setbacks uh so where the hell did it go

[1:24:04] Voice 12: that the cells the

[1:24:12] Trustee Patrick: following revisions is it's at the there

[1:24:14] Voice 12: you go age

[1:24:15] Trustee Patrick: 76 yes

[1:24:17] Voice 12: let the self-intervention

[1:24:18] Voice 12: local trust committee request the staff make the following revisions to the draft project charter

[1:24:22] Voice 12: for the luv amendment being to include all setbacks is

[1:24:29] Trustee Patrick: there a second i i i'm i'm happy

[1:24:34] Trustee Patrick: sorry

[1:24:35] Voice 4: you know i i don't i'm not prepared to land on a number and i don't necessarily think that in

[1:24:42] Voice 4: some cases we should be changing it but i'm you know as a point of discussion and part of a broader

[1:24:47] Voice 4: context i'm happy to have a discussion about it okay

[1:24:52] Trustee Patrick: is there any further discussion i'd just

[1:24:58] Voice 12: like to reiterate what Cameron just said so the public understands that this no decisions are

[1:25:03] Voice 12: being made here we're just simply opening this topic up for discussion um it will have no impact

[1:25:10] Voice 12: until until that discussion is completed and it may not even proceed further after that discussion

[1:25:17] Voice 12: that's it and I'll look

[1:25:19] Voice 12: to staff before

[1:25:20] Trustee Patrick: we vote to make sure is that uh understandable and uh

[1:25:23] Trustee Patrick: the way this I'm seeing nods so that's fine any further discussion are

[1:25:28] Voice 4: we just voting on this

[1:25:29] Voice 4: one amendment yes

[1:25:30] Trustee Patrick: this is just an amendment to the document okay then i will call a vote all

[1:25:34] Trustee Patrick: those in favor and that is carried then

[1:25:40] Voice 12: i would move that the south pender island trust committee

[1:25:42] Voice 12: approved the project charter as amended for the lub amendment project is

[1:25:46] Trustee Patrick: there a second

[1:25:50] Voice 12: seconded

[1:25:50] Trustee Patrick: by trustee thorne

[1:25:51] Voice 12: discussion

[1:25:52] Voice 4: don't jump out of it it's the motion sorry

[1:25:56] Voice 4: right i i i mean i guess at one point what i what i do want to um i mean a couple of things um

[1:26:05] Voice 4: and i think i think staff have probably written in a way that um this is maybe just a question

[1:26:11] Voice 4: of confirmation more than anything um in the on page 77 you talk about in scope and out of scope

[1:26:17] Voice 4: and um you know what is out of scope is ocp amendments other than consequential and so

[1:26:24] Voice 4: So the one thing that I just want,

[1:26:26] Voice 4: Robert had a good suggestion in our last meeting

[1:26:29] Voice 4: when we were talking about this whole discussion

[1:26:32] Voice 4: about house size and the variance to bring it back up

[1:26:35] Voice 4: and the building design guidelines.

[1:26:37] Voice 4: And I think one of the suggestions that Robert made

[1:26:40] Voice 4: was add an amendment to the body of the OCP

[1:26:42] Voice 4: to provide context for the guidelines

[1:26:44] Voice 4: or so the purposes and intent

[1:26:46] Voice 4: of how they may be applied or considered.

[1:26:48] Voice 4: So, which I liked, but to me,

[1:26:51] Voice 4: that would be hopefully just considered not a major amendment just something that gives

[1:26:56] Voice 4: clarification or uh to to to the guidelines would would i be correct that would be in scope as

[1:27:01] Voice 4: opposed to out of scope

[1:27:02] Voice 2: yes yes for the um in scope ocp amendments would be really ocp amendments

[1:27:09] Voice 2: that would support uh those amendments made to the land use bylaw so yeah the in scope was um

[1:27:15] Voice 2: adding new policies to the ocp that would support maximum floor area and reviewing that in relation

[1:27:21] Voice 2: to the design guidelines so that would be in scope and

[1:27:24] Voice 10: the amendments to the ocp for the

[1:27:26] Voice 10: building and siting guidelines are the next report on the agenda to be included in that

[1:27:33] Voice 4: initiative right okay great great great okay thank you that's good i also want to know just

[1:27:39] Voice 4: under discussion and maybe uh this is something that that uh you know i'll bring up now if this

[1:27:46] Voice 4: this is a time. One of the things that, you know, we've been talking about this

[1:27:52] Voice 4: for quite a while, actually, this whole thing about the house size and the rural character.

[1:27:58] Voice 4: And, you know, some people have been saying, oh, my God, if you do anything, you know, you're going

[1:28:05] Voice 4: to, you know, don't, why do you change anything? We like things the way they are. And if you do

[1:28:11] Voice 4: anything, you're going to make all these homes legally nonconforming. And, you know, there's

[1:28:15] Voice 4: been a lot of conjecture as well as you know um as you know um independent of one another steve and

[1:28:23] Voice 4: i were both looking to see what what the evidence was um on on on the uh on the matter of actual

[1:28:31] Voice 4: house size and uh and so i can tell you that and i know gordy duncan raised the question i told

[1:28:39] Voice 4: folks last time i was working on an excel spreadsheet and um i've i've got it's a fair

[1:28:45] Voice 4: bit of work i have all the data in there because there's um you know you want to be as exactly as

[1:28:50] Voice 4: possible so i've got a spreadsheet i haven't had the chance to break it all out yet and and uh which

[1:28:56] Voice 4: i will certainly do and make it available to anybody that wants to see it but but the interesting

[1:29:00] Voice 4: thing just just going through the data will illustrates that um in pretty much every given

[1:29:09] Voice 4: category of house size which again house size is based on whether you got something less than one

[1:29:14] Voice 4: acre, two to four, you know, there's a number of categories, 10 acres and above. In every one of

[1:29:19] Voice 4: those categories, the actual built form is on average, far, far, far less than what could be

[1:29:28] Voice 4: built under the existing bylaw in any one of those, in any one of those categories of house

[1:29:36] Voice 4: size. And, and so, you know, the idea that somehow, there's going to be a lot of legally

[1:29:41] Voice 4: non-conforming houses if we make any changes that the evidence thus far does not suggest

[1:29:47] Voice 4: that that's true at all um and really what what i'm finding is that if we do nothing

[1:29:53] Voice 4: um that over time if we did nothing and just left things the way they are

[1:30:00] Voice 4: we would see a great amount of change in the built form of the island in in some cases a

[1:30:07] Voice 4: doubling or a tripling of the built of the of the mass that we currently have on the island right

[1:30:12] Voice 4: now and I and I think that's something that people aren't aware of and I think that that you know

[1:30:19] Voice 4: it's going to be I'm hoping that this information is going to be educational for everyone in terms

[1:30:24] Voice 4: of what's actually out there.

[1:30:27] Trustee Patrick: Thank you Trustee Thorne. I think it's important that the project

[1:30:31] Trustee Patrick: charter that you're considering to vote on at this moment the word is consider the following

[1:30:36] Trustee Patrick: um it's it's uh it's a very high level document so is there any further discussion

[1:30:45] Trustee Patrick: no i'll call the vote all those in favor and that's carried thank

[1:30:52] Voice 12: you robert and kim

[1:30:53] Voice 12: appreciate it thank you both um

[1:30:57] Trustee Patrick: the next item is the uh 13.4 it's minor official community plan

[1:31:03] Trustee Patrick: amendment project.

[1:31:06] Voice 2: Thank you. Thank you, Chair Patrick. This is a very similar format as to

[1:31:13] Voice 2: the Land Use By-law project. Staff are presenting a draft project charter for the minor OCP

[1:31:20] Voice 2: amendment project. The LTC has identified three topics to be addressed. That is the building

[1:31:28] Voice 2: design and siting guidelines, First Nation OCP language and rights of nature policy.

[1:31:35] Voice 2: So these documents could potentially be included as part of the official community plan or as a

[1:31:43] Voice 2: schedule. The building design guidelines and the rights of nature were forwarded to the South

[1:31:50] Voice 2: with Pender APC for comment and as the LTC received the minutes back the APC stated that

[1:31:58] Voice 2: they've requested the LTC not move forward with these projects until community members can meet

[1:32:04] Voice 2: in person. The difficulty with that as we know is we don't know when the public health orders will

[1:32:09] Voice 2: be lifted so we have we don't have a sense of when we can hold community information meetings in

[1:32:15] Voice 2: person. The project is attached to the staff report and to note a few items in relation to

[1:32:27] Voice 2: consultation and engagement with First Nations. This would hopefully happen over the summer months

[1:32:35] Voice 2: and if we can hold in-person meetings we certainly will do so but if public health

[1:32:41] Voice 2: orders are still in place they would most likely be by Zoom. The hope is to have a draft bylaw for

[1:32:48] Voice 2: the LTC to consider it in the fall with first reading at the end of the year and then bylaw

[1:32:56] Voice 2: readings early in the new year. Again there are alternatives to the recommendation for the LTC

[1:33:04] Voice 2: to consider again one of them is revisions to the project charter and I should have mentioned this

[1:33:09] Voice 2: in the previous a staff report or a topic that these are our fluid documents and they can be

[1:33:16] Voice 2: changed over the over the time of the project so if they need to be tweaked they can certainly be

[1:33:20] Voice 2: done so by by the LTC and one note with regards to the LTC's website we haven't been able to put

[1:33:29] Voice 2: these new projects on the website and that will be done shortly there's been some hiccups with

[1:33:34] Voice 2: with the New Islands Trust website.

[1:33:38] Voice 2: So there's a recommendation on page 78 of the staff report

[1:33:43] Voice 2: and that's for the LTC to approve the project charter

[1:33:47] Voice 2: for the minor OCP amendment project.

[1:33:50] Voice 2: If the LTC does approve it, staff will report back

[1:33:55] Voice 2: with a staff report with further information

[1:33:58] Voice 2: on the three topic areas.

[1:33:59] Voice 2: is trustees

[1:34:03] Trustee Patrick: trustee thorne um

[1:34:05] Voice 4: well i don't know if this is the appropriate time chair patrick but

[1:34:09] Voice 4: i i um i agree with the comments from planner stockdale and would uh would move that the

[1:34:16] Voice 4: south pender island trust ltc approved the project charter for the minor ocp amendment project

[1:34:22] Voice 4: is

[1:34:24] Trustee Patrick: there a second i'll

[1:34:26] Voice 12: second that and if i can add um

[1:34:32] Voice 12: I appreciate the fact that the APC is concerned about process and public involvement.

[1:34:39] Voice 12: I don't have a problem with that.

[1:34:43] Voice 12: However, that was not what we asked them to do.

[1:34:47] Voice 12: We asked them to discuss it and come back with some ideas.

[1:34:50] Voice 12: Subsequent to that motion, I've spoken to all the members of the APC and the majority have asked that we send it back.

[1:34:59] Voice 12: I'm not sure if that's necessary it's in their possession but they want to they don't they want

[1:35:04] Voice 12: to have that discussion amongst themselves and so my intention to allow them to do that

[1:35:11] Voice 12: because their input is valuable and I we will make every effort to provide them with

[1:35:21] Voice 12: with more information if they require it.

[1:35:25] Voice 12: I did attend the last APC meeting

[1:35:27] Voice 12: to provide any clarification, but nobody asked for any.

[1:35:32] Voice 12: A motion was made not to proceed further,

[1:35:36] Voice 12: but I respect that, but I don't agree with it.

[1:35:40] Voice 12: So I'm gonna send it back.

[1:35:42] Voice 12: And I agree that we need to carry on the business.

[1:35:49] Voice 12: I I'm fully prepared to have uh face-to-face meetings when uh it is safe uh to do

[1:35:58] Voice 12: so and uh

[1:35:59] Voice 12: if if there are members in the community that would like to organize even neighborhood meetings

[1:36:05] Voice 12: uh I'm quite sure that Cameron and I certainly am prepared to meet with each uh smaller section of

[1:36:13] Voice 12: of the community to make sure that the crowds aren't

[1:36:17] Voice 12: too large, if we can have them in open air

[1:36:20] Voice 12: and in people's yards.

[1:36:26] Voice 12: All the meetings that we can have,

[1:36:28] Voice 12: I'm certainly not against it and we never have been,

[1:36:30] Voice 12: so I'd just like to ensure people that we are not

[1:36:35] Voice 12: trying to hide or not have their involvement.

[1:36:41] Voice 12: So I just want to make that clear to everybody.

[1:36:43] Voice 12: thanks um

[1:36:46] Trustee Patrick: i'm actually going to vote against this not because i don't it's i think it's premature i

[1:36:51] Trustee Patrick: absolutely support the first nations language and what happened in saturn and and like it would

[1:36:56] Trustee Patrick: support that piece proceeding at rapid pace my concern is the other two parts i think as our

[1:37:03] Trustee Patrick: discussion earlier is a little premature as to what how we could how we can make that benefit

[1:37:09] Trustee Patrick: work of sort of the incentivized side of the equation. And it will likely need an OCP

[1:37:19] Trustee Patrick: amendment. So I just, I think it's, what angle do we come from this conversation of how do we bring

[1:37:24] Trustee Patrick: your guidelines to play in an effective way? And I just think we have to talk, we need to figure

[1:37:34] Trustee Patrick: that out and uh and i think i think it could be a very positive and incentive based conversation

[1:37:41] Trustee Patrick: rather than a punitive based conversation i think the community might be more open to that

[1:37:50] Voice 12: okay i appreciate those thoughts my my sense is that if if we can i would allow the community to

[1:37:58] Voice 12: be involved in that discussion um but certainly by having a project charter we can start

[1:38:06] Voice 12: staff can start creating some reports some more information on how that might happen

[1:38:10] Voice 12: um so i i uh i would still support the motion i it's not that i disagree with with the incentives

[1:38:19] Voice 12: i'm just i'm just saying i think i think it's possible to have that discussion as we proceed

[1:38:26] Voice 4: yeah chair patrick i am you know obviously respect your your your um choice in terms of

[1:38:32] Voice 4: how you want to vote on this i don't you know my i think what we're doing here at least is

[1:38:37] Voice 4: as I understand it is approving a project charter

[1:38:39] Voice 4: to further develop and flush out this,

[1:38:41] Voice 4: not to, it's not a vote suggesting

[1:38:45] Voice 4: that we've reached a conclusion on any aspect of house size

[1:38:51] Voice 4: or any aspect of the building design guidelines,

[1:38:54] Voice 4: really it's to enable us to move forward with the community

[1:38:59] Voice 4: to work on these items.

[1:39:01] Voice 4: So, I still support the motion,

[1:39:04] Voice 4: I still support the recommendation.

[1:39:05] Voice 4: any

[1:39:08] Trustee Patrick: further discussion i'll call the vote all those in favor any opposed that's scary

[1:39:17] Trustee Patrick: all right thank you i

[1:39:21] Voice 4: just mentioned one thing too and i and i don't know um you know this this

[1:39:26] Voice 4: idea of uh steve touched on it briefly this idea of uh of um you know consultation and and um you

[1:39:35] Voice 4: you know, the pandemic and, you know, I know there are some, you know, within the community,

[1:39:40] Voice 4: there are some people that, that, that have a view that, you know, that we should be doing

[1:39:45] Voice 4: nothing and that, and that, you know, somehow, unless we're all in the, in the community fire

[1:39:51] Voice 4: hall, that that's really the only place that's sort of a legitimate form of public consultation.

[1:39:56] Voice 4: And, you know, again, those are, people are free to have those thoughts and, and, and that's fine.

[1:40:01] Voice 4: the interesting view you know frankly it's best if you can have both because the zoom meetings are

[1:40:08] Voice 4: actually provide you know a a great ability for people that maybe um either people that

[1:40:16] Voice 4: own property that live elsewhere or people that live on the island but maybe are not able to

[1:40:21] Voice 4: actually get down to the fire hall for something um people that want to make or people maybe that

[1:40:27] Voice 4: are are busy and that um but that are able to to get fully up to speed and understand the nuances

[1:40:34] Voice 4: of the discussion because they can go back and look at the zoom conversation that's posted to

[1:40:39] Voice 4: the website so in many ways i find that um that um that the consultation opportunities

[1:40:48] Voice 4: in some ways have been um expanded through through um the use of this format not not that they've

[1:40:56] Voice 4: being somehow uh to me it's it's far more transparent anybody anywhere can see it and

[1:41:01] Voice 4: look at it later um so i'm i find that a bit a bit puzzling i did um happen to speak to a number

[1:41:08] Voice 4: of elected officials um in the city vancouver in the last few days on on a number of things and i

[1:41:14] Voice 4: brought this up with one of them and and asked asked about you know in in that city about

[1:41:19] Voice 4: perceptions about on this very same topic. And I think the view that was expressed by that person

[1:41:27] Voice 4: was that generally, a lot of younger people, I think, tend to really appreciate the Zoom thing.

[1:41:36] Voice 4: Sometimes some older people initially have maybe more reluctance to understand how to log on.

[1:41:44] Voice 4: But the critical thing is that you, regardless of whether it's a meeting in a physical building or a meeting on a Zoom format, that you make every effort to provide lots and lots of opportunities for public engagement.

[1:41:58] Voice 4: And I think that's the critical thing. And I think what we've done here is, you know, the number of times that we've been meeting as a group, I mean, Robert, you've been around for a long time.

[1:42:07] Voice 4: I mean, I think it's historically, there's an obligation to meet a minimum of four times a year

[1:42:12] Voice 4: for the South Pender LTC. And if you think about the number of times that we've been meeting on

[1:42:17] Voice 4: things, it's been an awful lot more than that. So I think we're communicating more with our

[1:42:22] Voice 4: community than we probably have for many, many years.

[1:42:27] Trustee Patrick: I absolutely support that we have to

[1:42:31] Trustee Patrick: carry on and do the best we can with the consultation. And yes, some have, there has

[1:42:36] Trustee Patrick: has been extended but there is this anxiety level too that's uh approached due to the pandemic that

[1:42:42] Trustee Patrick: i think people are tired i think if we can just get over this this hump and start moving on i

[1:42:47] Trustee Patrick: think we're going to find that people are going to release and uh and be you know happy but there's

[1:42:54] Trustee Patrick: just that we're just at a very difficult point i think it's a pandemic i know for me i'll have

[1:43:00] Trustee Patrick: to admit it i'm i'm extremely tired and uh of you know want to get back to some semblance of

[1:43:05] Trustee Patrick: normalcy as fast as i can so we all have to behave anyway great we'll move on then out i just saw

[1:43:13] Trustee Patrick: there was some conversation we do not need a motion uh to send back to the apc as we have the

[1:43:18] Trustee Patrick: the current one has already forwarded that to them yep um so moving on we have our work

[1:43:27] Trustee Patrick: program reports are there any changes that we need to make to either of those reports are they still

[1:43:33] Trustee Patrick: Okay now

[1:43:34] Voice 12: the projects report number four derelict vehicle machinery was deleted last meeting so that

[1:43:39] Voice 12: can come out.

[1:43:44] Voice 4: Yeah I thought it was yeah.

[1:43:50] Trustee Patrick: That's right stopper checking notes diligently to say

[1:43:53] Trustee Patrick: I'm seeing all right any other changes or at this point just carry on? Yes.

[1:44:00] Trustee Patrick: Okay so

[1:44:02] Trustee Patrick: I have an applications report here which again I'm willing to share some from Salt Spring since

[1:44:08] Trustee Patrick: since it's empty, it's only fair that we all chip in

[1:44:12] Trustee Patrick: and work together on all these things.

[1:44:18] Trustee Patrick: The, there's the expense report is here for your information

[1:44:21] Trustee Patrick: and our adopted policies and resolutions are here.

[1:44:29] Trustee Patrick: And then let's see, so we just have,

[1:44:33] Trustee Patrick: no, there's no other report.

[1:44:34] Trustee Patrick: So we just have the two items

[1:44:36] Trustee Patrick: that were added under new business.

[1:44:38] Trustee Patrick: So we have business licenses.

[1:44:39] Trustee Patrick: Yes.

[1:44:43] Voice 12: First off, thanks to the chair for organizing a regional meeting of trustees to discuss STVRs, which was held yesterday with a fairly decent turnout from Galliano in Maine and the Penders.

[1:45:01] Voice 12: We all seem to agree that one of the ways of enforcing our STVRs is through the temporary use permit, which I have publicly noted that I'm not entirely satisfied with.

[1:45:19] Voice 12: And the idea came up, was introduced by Laura, was the use of a business license.

[1:45:29] Voice 12: Now, the Islands Trust does not have the authority to do it, but the CRD does.

[1:45:37] Voice 12: And so I would like to propose a motion that whereas the South Bender Island Local Trust Committee is implementing additional policies and zoning regulations in response to the negative impacts from short-term vacation rentals on South Bender Island,

[1:45:57] Voice 12: the local trust committee lacks the full range of tools for enforcement and administration of

[1:46:03] Voice 12: vacation rentals therefore the south benner island local trust committee requests that the

[1:46:09] Voice 12: capital regional district explore the implementation of business licensing for

[1:46:14] Voice 12: tourist accommodation and specifically for short-term vacation rentals

[1:46:20] Trustee Patrick: was that forwarded

[1:46:22] Trustee Patrick: to shannon i'm

[1:46:24] Voice 12: going to forward it to her right now oh

[1:46:25] Trustee Patrick: super thank you very much so shannon that's

[1:46:27] Trustee Patrick: coming uh i'm

[1:46:30] Voice 4: sure that was sent to i missed it i missed it was that sent out no

[1:46:34] Trustee Patrick: it was a

[1:46:36] Trustee Patrick: conversation between um i think trustee wright and uh uh regional planner kojima to drop that

[1:46:42] Trustee Patrick: up based on a conversation yesterday and here it is thank you so i'll let uh trustee thorne

[1:46:49] Trustee Patrick: read that before he wants to second the idea of from yesterday's discussion uh trustee thorne

[1:46:57] Trustee Patrick: was that each island each local trust committee will pass a similar resolution um so that we can

[1:47:03] Trustee Patrick: in unison help uh just help support the crd to take the next steps to look at so here's the

[1:47:09] Voice 4: question um just if i could speak to that for a moment absolutely is this template wording that

[1:47:15] Voice 4: all the other islands are using as well or no this

[1:47:18] Trustee Patrick: you were the first to shoot over the bow

[1:47:20] Trustee Patrick: so you could change this wording this is your chance to think about it i

[1:47:24] Voice 4: guess what i mean i

[1:47:24] Voice 4: think back to what we're um we've had a lot of conversations around stvrs and and you know i

[1:47:33] Voice 4: personally have spoken to the fact that again i'm not against stvrs i'm against the previous

[1:47:40] Voice 4: mechanism where they were completely um without any regulations and there was there was no

[1:47:46] Voice 4: constraints on how they operated there was no considerations uh other than anyone anywhere

[1:47:51] Voice 4: where it could do it all the time and so we again like everything else try to strike a balance

[1:47:55] Voice 4: recognizing that they bring benefits to the community and but they can also um in an unfettered

[1:48:01] Voice 4: way can have impacts on on a lot of people as well so bearing that in mind i would i would rather

[1:48:08] Voice 4: if in under the whereas section change the wording so that it doesn't say that that we're doing

[1:48:15] Voice 4: right additional policies and zoning regulations in response to the negative impacts i just think

[1:48:19] Voice 4: The fact is that we brought in additional policies and regulations as it relates to short-term vacation rentals.

[1:48:27] Voice 4: I mean, there's a number of reasons why we brought them in, but that's the reality.

[1:48:31] Voice 4: So I would prefer to change it so that it just clarifies what's true.

[1:48:36] Voice 4: The whereas is that we brought in regulations on short-term vacation rentals.

[1:48:39] Voice 4: And then I would agree with the therefore section rather than making it all about negative.

[1:48:48] Trustee Patrick: No, that's true. It's in response to managing. Our attempt to manage short-term vacation rentals is bringing in policies and zoning.

[1:48:58] Voice 4: That's right.

[1:48:59] Trustee Patrick: And we don't have access to the full range of tools. So we did

[1:49:03] Trustee Patrick: our part is what we're saying.

[1:49:06] Trustee Patrick: Yeah,

[1:49:06] Voice 4: we've used the available tools that we have, which are not perfect, to try and bring in balanced regulations on short-term vacation rentals. And now we're looking to the CRD to explore business licensing.

[1:49:20] Trustee Patrick: Would you be, so policies and zoning regulations to just to regulate, to regulate short-term vacation rentals or to manage?

[1:49:30] Voice 4: To regulate and manage, I guess.

[1:49:32] Voice 4: Yes. Yeah.

[1:49:32] Trustee Patrick: To regulate and manage instead of in response to negative impacts. Steve,

[1:49:37] Trustee Patrick: is that? Yeah, that's fine. That sounds good to me. Who's got the pen?

[1:49:45] Trustee Patrick: Robert has the pen. To regulate and manage short-term vacation rentals. Yeah. How's that

[1:49:52] Voice 10: look? Yeah. Thank you. Looks good.

[1:49:55] Trustee Patrick: Would you like to second this motion? It's been seconded by

[1:49:59] Trustee Patrick: trustee thorne any discussion i think we discussed most of it but yeah i think this is this is just

[1:50:06] Trustee Patrick: to get things started as you heard like with justine stark earlier there's a whole process

[1:50:10] Trustee Patrick: involved with the crd year is to look at such a such a thing um and uh this just gets the ball

[1:50:17] Trustee Patrick: rolling or at least us asking all right any further discussion otherwise i'll call the vote

[1:50:25] Trustee Patrick: all those in favor and that's carried thank you steve and to robert for working on that

[1:50:31] Trustee Patrick: that since yesterday.

[1:50:33] Voice 10: So yeah, with this adopted,

[1:50:35] Voice 10: now it's something that I provide

[1:50:37] Voice 10: to the other Southern local trust committees

[1:50:39] Voice 10: and the Stefan to put on a salt spring agenda.

[1:50:41] Voice 10: And then once all the local trust committees

[1:50:44] Voice 10: have had at least had a chance to consider

[1:50:47] Voice 10: this or a similar resolution,

[1:50:50] Voice 10: then put those together and send them to the CRD.

[1:50:54] Trustee Patrick: Great. Fantastic.

[1:50:56] Trustee Patrick: Thank you very much.

[1:50:58] Trustee Patrick: And all right, so the second item

[1:51:00] Trustee Patrick: is uh apc it

[1:51:03] Voice 12: was a marine our marine zone and boys

[1:51:06] Trustee Patrick: oh okay um

[1:51:12] Voice 12: it's just i've been asked a couple of

[1:51:13] Voice 12: times um and i'm i'm i'd be very surprised if salt spring hasn't uh experienced a similar

[1:51:20] Voice 12: questions um there are a growing number of boys being dropped um and anchored to the the floor of

[1:51:27] Voice 12: of the waters under our zoning.

[1:51:30] Voice 12: And my understanding is that we don't have control

[1:51:34] Voice 12: over the water, but we do have control

[1:51:37] Voice 12: over the land underneath it.

[1:51:39] Voice 12: And I'm not sure whether there is any way

[1:51:43] Voice 12: that we can limit the number of buoys

[1:51:48] Voice 12: that are being dropped and established

[1:51:50] Voice 12: because some of our anchorages are getting crowded

[1:51:54] Voice 12: because for a number of reasons.

[1:51:56] Voice 12: One is people are starting to live on board a vessel more than because of the cost of land, and that's understandable, but also it is starting to crowd up some of our anchorages and our access to certain areas.

[1:52:16] Voice 12: So before it gets too crazy, I'm just wondering what alternatives and options we have in order to try and get some, I don't know, sense to the number of buoys and large blocks of concrete that's getting dropped on the ocean floor without any concern for any of the eelgrass environments or the other marine ecosystems.

[1:52:47] Voice 8: Robert?

[1:52:47] Voice 8: Yeah,

[1:52:48] Voice 10: so buoys, this has come up from time to time before and I can circulate a bit of information. It's a federal government jurisdiction, buoys, and they have in the past, I understand, if they receive complaints about the number of buoys, they will go in and I think you are supposed to register your buoys and they'll remove unregistered buoys, particularly if it's starting to form a hazard to navigation.

[1:53:13] Voice 10: so um there's some i think there's some federal government documentation i could dig up and i'll

[1:53:17] Voice 10: circulate that to the to the ltc and you can pass that on okay

[1:53:23] Voice 12: thanks so much yeah

[1:53:25] Trustee Patrick: i think just to

[1:53:26] Trustee Patrick: clarify i think it's we have zoning on the surface the province has the the bottom is the land

[1:53:33] Trustee Patrick: underneath is the province and then you've got the federal navigation all between that's a

[1:53:38] Trustee Patrick: messy jurisdiction yeah

[1:53:40] Voice 10: there's basically three levels of government that all have

[1:53:43] Voice 10: different um authorities over the over the water so

[1:53:47] Voice 12: the the province has authority over the bottom

[1:53:50] Voice 10: province owns the because this is an interior waterway here

[1:53:55] Voice 10: the straight sailor c is an interior waterway so it's the province that owns it um so the

[1:54:00] Voice 10: province will think when you have a dock or something and you apply for tenure it's the

[1:54:04] Voice 10: province that you're applying to right um and then they have regulatory authority over certain things

[1:54:09] Voice 10: as well um but it's the federal government that has constitutional authority over shipping and

[1:54:15] Voice 10: navigation so anything shipping and navigation is federal and local governments have the authority

[1:54:23] Voice 10: to zone the surface of the water okay

[1:54:27] Voice 9: thank

[1:54:28] Voice 12: you all

[1:54:29] Trustee Patrick: right any further new business then

[1:54:30] Trustee Patrick: uh

[1:54:31] Voice 12: just the abc membership okay

[1:54:33] Trustee Patrick: so

[1:54:35] Voice 12: in his last um election campaign uh mr frees and uh

[1:54:40] Voice 12: our chair of our APC stated that he believed the APC had served no useful purpose. And so

[1:54:47] Voice 12: on that basis, I asked him to join our APC and explore how we could improve

[1:54:52] Voice 12: its effectiveness. And I can say at the time that I appreciate it has taking on this challenge.

[1:54:58] Voice 12: Unfortunately, through the

[1:55:00] Trustee Patrick: course- Are we

[1:55:00] Trustee Patrick: discussing, can I do, are we,

[1:55:01] Trustee Patrick: is this personal nature that should not be public, this conversation?

[1:55:06] Trustee Patrick: uh

[1:55:07] Voice 12: no i have spoken to mr friesen and he um well i'll explain it but uh this is about uh

[1:55:15] Voice 12: membership in our uh abc

[1:55:17] Trustee Patrick: no i know but typically appointments and discussions of appointments

[1:55:20] Trustee Patrick: occurs in camera okay and

[1:55:22] Trustee Patrick: i just would look at staff for advice on on on that okay

[1:55:29] Voice 9: yeah generally

[1:55:30] Voice 10: as you know you go in camera to discuss appointments or i guess on a point on

[1:55:36] Voice 10: appointments um so that you can discuss um these things more more uh without um public disclosure

[1:55:46] Voice 10: um but if you're talking generally about the apc and things like the how the apc bylaw works and so

[1:55:52] Voice 10: on that's an open meeting discussion no

[1:55:54] Voice 12: and then i'll reserve this for the closed meeting yeah all

[1:55:58] Trustee Patrick: All right. Thank you for honoring that. Okay.

[1:56:02] Trustee Patrick: So with that we have our next meeting,

[1:56:07] Trustee Patrick: regular meeting will be July 9th, my birthday. Thank you guys.

[1:56:11] Trustee Patrick: It's a, I expect cake, gluten-free cake virtually.

[1:56:17] Trustee Patrick: So you're pretty off the hook. And we have a second town hall here.

[1:56:23] Trustee Patrick: Is there anyone who wishes again,

[1:56:25] Trustee Patrick: Again, we don't rework any decisions that we have made,

[1:56:28] Trustee Patrick: but if anyone wishes to speak, address us a second time

[1:56:32] Trustee Patrick: or during the second town hall,

[1:56:34] Trustee Patrick: you are welcome to at this time.

[1:56:37] Trustee Patrick: A couple of hands, Donna Spaulding.

[1:56:46] Voice 8: Afternoon, everybody.

[1:56:47] Voice 8: I just have a couple of,

[1:56:49] Voice 8: I don't think we're allowed to ask questions,

[1:56:52] Voice 8: Chair Patrick, but a couple of points

[1:56:54] Voice 8: that I would look to the LTC for some clarification

[1:56:57] Voice 8: on in regard to the conversations that we've had

[1:56:59] Voice 8: so far. So the first one would be with regard to the idea of commercial permits for commercial

[1:57:07] Voice 8: operations and to include STPRs. So it would be interesting for us to understand, as we do already

[1:57:16] Voice 8: have commercial operations on South Pender and North Pender, how those are managed from the

[1:57:22] Voice 8: point of view of a business license. So I'm not asking for an explanation right now, just

[1:57:29] Voice 8: consideration of if we have something then are we reinventing a wheel or is there a way to bring

[1:57:36] Voice 8: that all together so um that that's i don't know if that's been thought of or if it's something that

[1:57:44] Voice 8: um is an appropriate uh approach to think of oh

[1:57:49] Trustee Patrick: thank you donna for that that question sorry i

[1:57:52] Trustee Patrick: have a cat that's being a real pain pain here sorry um go away um love cats um yeah if a business

[1:58:03] Trustee Patrick: permitting or licensing issue is there it's it's a combination of the islands trust uh that it does

[1:58:09] Trustee Patrick: its zoning what land use zoning is is and uh business uh licenses they they work sort of

[1:58:16] Trustee Patrick: together uh hand in hand not not duplicating but uh complementary um but there'd be a lot of

[1:58:23] Trustee Patrick: learning this is just a beginning conversation and a long ways away from any you know plus this

[1:58:29] Trustee Patrick: is a CRD that would have the requirements so they work complementary together is my understanding

[1:58:39] Trustee Patrick: any other questions Donna okay I see Jan Jane Perch thank

[1:58:54] Voice 7: you just a couple things I just

[1:58:57] Voice 7: wanted to mention and uh one uh i just wanted to speak to cameron's just little comment about how

[1:59:03] Voice 7: many meetings you have held and uh yeah the work you've been doing over the last of your term but

[1:59:08] Voice 7: i i do want you to recognize that there has been a lot of discussion going on but it's

[1:59:13] Voice 7: basically the trustees doing the discussion with very little chance and opportunity for

[1:59:18] Voice 7: the community except for the short town halls so what we're looking for is the broader discussions

[1:59:23] Voice 7: where the community can have the whole meeting to discuss

[1:59:26] Voice 7: as opposed to a few minutes before

[1:59:28] Voice 7: and at the end of each meeting.

[1:59:30] Voice 7: So, you know, while you might be discussing,

[1:59:33] Voice 7: it's just, we feel a little bit left out of the picture

[1:59:35] Voice 7: when those kinds of things happen,

[1:59:37] Voice 7: just to comment, to pass on to you.

[1:59:40] Voice 7: And the second thing I just want to mention,

[1:59:42] Voice 7: I know the staff did mention in their report

[1:59:44] Voice 7: about how you might consult with your upcoming projects

[1:59:49] Voice 7: and with with contacting the community and mail drops or you know the different

[1:59:56] Voice 7: options I just want to just mention in terms of mail drop

[2:00:00] Voice 7: if um in terms of leafleting uh the island that only gets the people who live on the island and

[2:00:06] Voice 7: i don't know what the numbers are now but i know um our our off-island residents have been

[2:00:13] Voice 7: 40 some percent so in terms of trying to reach out to the community if you don't go um do a mail out

[2:00:21] Voice 7: to property owners, you will be not consulting

[2:00:26] Voice 7: with a fair large portion of the community.

[2:00:30] Voice 7: So I just throw that out for your information

[2:00:32] Voice 7: and consideration, but thank you.

[2:00:34] Trustee Patrick: Thank you, Jane.

[2:00:35] Trustee Patrick: I see trustee Thorne.

[2:00:37] Voice 4: Yeah, no, thanks Jane for your comments.

[2:00:39] Voice 4: Yeah, no point taken about the meetings

[2:00:43] Voice 4: the the you know your the the meetings um and certainly um you know we're i'm personally very

[2:00:51] Voice 4: open to suggestions on how we can um have um any steps any improvements that we can make so that

[2:01:01] Voice 4: that that we hear back from the public uh um yeah through this this format as well and it's not just

[2:01:09] Voice 4: format. I mean, you know, telephone, I mean, my cell number is posted on the website. So is my

[2:01:16] Voice 4: email. You know, I'm happy to meet with people at any time. Again, I know every jurisdiction in the

[2:01:24] Voice 4: world is wrestling with this and in terms of how to receive public input back. That said, you know,

[2:01:30] Voice 4: as we work through some of these policy ideas that we're bringing forward, you know, if we want to

[2:01:38] Voice 4: have a town hall like i think back to that back to when we would have meetings at the fire hall and

[2:01:45] Voice 4: there would be um you know there people would be milling around and um and i'm just trying to think

[2:01:55] Voice 4: outside the we're just trying to think here as i speak jane like any anything that we can do where

[2:02:00] Voice 4: if i said let's have a special meeting and we sit there and listen to the public that'd be fine by

[2:02:06] Voice 4: on me too i i whatever it takes to try and and express you know my genuine desire to hear back

[2:02:13] Voice 4: from as many people as possible um and i'm also hoping and i think i think donna raised it at the

[2:02:19] Voice 4: last apc meeting that you know thankfully now with a vaccination clinic that was held here recently

[2:02:24] Voice 4: and i think most of us now at least getting our first shot maybe with the improving weather that

[2:02:29] Voice 4: we can have some of these um opportunities to meet together in an open outdoor space

[2:02:34] Voice 4: that would be great too and I'm more than happy to participate in either one

[2:02:38] Voice 4: of those my last comment of just on on your last point about the mail drop in

[2:02:45] Voice 4: the and the mail outs to people I agree with you that you when you do a mail

[2:02:52] Voice 4: drop you don't get everybody I'm thinking that with your your community

[2:02:57] Voice 4: link but those involved in the community link and and whether whether you would

[2:03:04] Voice 4: be interested in facilitating some of these things too whether uh and maybe you already have i don't

[2:03:09] Voice 4: know but you know um the the newsletter that was recently dropped if you were interested in

[2:03:14] Voice 4: providing a link to that to you on your web on your mail out or or the or the powerpoint i did

[2:03:20] Voice 4: last november on on some of the rationales for design guidelines if you were interested in

[2:03:25] Voice 4: in providing links to those that would that would be a great public service too just as a comment

[2:03:29] Voice 4: Yeah,

[2:03:33] Voice 12: I'm not immune to the comments and concerns that Jane has mentioned.

[2:03:42] Voice 12: All we can do is provide an opportunity.

[2:03:44] Voice 12: We can't force people to speak.

[2:03:47] Voice 12: And whether it's a public meeting or whether it's an online, we have attendees, some who choose to speak and some that don't speak.

[2:03:57] Voice 12: That's just the way it is.

[2:03:59] Voice 12: So I understand the comments, but all we can do is provide an opportunity.

[2:04:07] Voice 12: And there's also the question of to what extent are we responsible for people to stay involved in affairs of their community?

[2:04:18] Voice 12: We have provided an opportunity for people to subscribe to all the information that they want through email to the Internet.

[2:04:27] Voice 12: internet. If people choose not to, there's very little we can do about that. And so I hear your

[2:04:33] Voice 12: concern. We share your concern. But frankly, I kind of feel that you're asking us to do a bit

[2:04:41] Voice 12: of the impossible. We are doing our best. We'll continue to do our best. And as I said before,

[2:04:48] Voice 12: any help you can offer, such as the community link, is welcome. So let's continue to work

[2:04:54] Voice 12: work together to make this a better and longer,

[2:04:58] Voice 12: more involved conversation.

[2:05:00] Voice 7: If I can just make a suggestion.

[2:05:02] Voice 7: And so rather than having us talk a little bit

[2:05:05] Voice 7: at the start of the meeting,

[2:05:05] Voice 7: because you have to talk before you even get to your items

[2:05:08] Voice 7: and we don't know what you're going to say,

[2:05:10] Voice 7: that always poses a problem.

[2:05:11] Voice 7: And then you've made your decision

[2:05:12] Voice 7: and it's really too late for us to say anything.

[2:05:15] Voice 7: So perhaps I don't know why the meeting has to be

[2:05:18] Voice 7: so rigidly structured.

[2:05:21] Voice 7: Could there be opportunities to say, okay,

[2:05:23] Voice 7: okay, we're going to have a different kind of meeting,

[2:05:25] Voice 7: say this meeting is going to be about one of your land use bylaw topics

[2:05:29] Voice 7: that you're going to be discussing.

[2:05:30] Voice 7: And let's have a whole open discussion about that first

[2:05:34] Voice 7: so you can hear the community before you start coming to your decisions

[2:05:38] Voice 7: and all we can do is then talk to, well, it's too late for us to talk

[2:05:41] Voice 7: because you've mostly made your decisions

[2:05:43] Voice 7: where we could have maybe had some discussion at the start.

[2:05:46] Voice 7: So, I mean, even Zoom, I don't like it either.

[2:05:51] Voice 7: That's the only way we have right now.

[2:05:53] Voice 7: but in looking forward hopefully we're going to open up a bit but even that so people would say

[2:05:57] Voice 7: well you got 10-15 minutes that's all you got in your agenda and we can't talk and we can't talk

[2:06:02] Voice 7: to anything specific except we've read through the agenda and we can't we don't know what you're

[2:06:07] Voice 7: going to be talking about exactly or what you're going to you know your discussion so I think if

[2:06:11] Voice 7: we had a little bit different format where we can talk or a different kind of meeting maybe it's

[2:06:17] Voice 7: your regular ltc could it be a special ltc to just talk about one topic that's controversial

[2:06:24] Voice 7: let's all get it out there and have a discussion and then then maybe you'll be able to make

[2:06:29] Voice 7: decisions you know based on what you've heard because you're not hearing from any people

[2:06:33] Voice 7: on the method we have right now no thank you

[2:06:36] Trustee Patrick: thank you jane well it's exactly what's going

[2:06:39] Trustee Patrick: to have all that happened today was the project charters which is to assign resources and a

[2:06:43] Trustee Patrick: schedule and and just uh there can and will be community information meetings and conversations

[2:06:50] Trustee Patrick: that can be designed to deal with these topics in far more detail yeah

[2:06:55] Voice 7: that would be great

[2:06:57] Voice 7: especially if we had some discussion before we got to any kind of draft bylaws because

[2:07:01] Voice 7: that kind of sets a tone and and and it turns people off too and you might not get participation

[2:07:07] Voice 7: because they'll say well your mind's already made up so we know what you're going what you're

[2:07:12] Voice 7: looking at so let's get it out there have a big discussion and maybe you're going to arrive at

[2:07:16] Voice 7: something different in the end so just a thought thank you thank you

[2:07:21] Voice 4: i agree with you agree with

[2:07:22] Voice 4: your comments jane thank you thank

[2:07:25] Trustee Patrick: you i see uh donna spaulding i

[2:07:30] Voice 8: apologize for losing you all

[2:07:32] Voice 8: last time i obviously spent too much time on zoom this morning because my headset gave up um just

[2:07:38] Voice 8: The last point I wanted just to make is about the idea of the OCP changes, and specifically with regard to the build and design and voluntary.

[2:07:51] Voice 8: So I've read the staff report. I understand that, you know, what staff is saying in their report.

[2:07:57] Voice 8: I think that we need to be clear on what we're talking about here, what you're envisioning here, because people look at it and then they see, well, the only way to be able to reinforce anything like this is to put policy into the OCP.

[2:08:12] Voice 8: so again I just think that there's some confusion in the community of whether or not we're going

[2:08:19] Voice 8: down a path that is voluntary or whether we're going down a path that is going to have policy

[2:08:24] Voice 8: in the OCP for something that's attached to it that will make it mandatory so just clarity

[2:08:32] Voice 8: on that point thank you thank

[2:08:35] Trustee Patrick: you very much Donna well

[2:08:37] Voice 12: the clarity Donna would be that

[2:08:38] Voice 12: that it was suggested that the trustees

[2:08:42] Voice 12: could then pass a motion in order to make these things,

[2:08:45] Voice 12: make the guidelines mandatory.

[2:08:47] Voice 12: We don't have a legislative authority to do that.

[2:08:50] Voice 12: So that's a little misleading suggestion, can't be done.

[2:08:57] Voice 8: Okay, so then perhaps that staff report

[2:09:01] Voice 8: needs to be amended somewhat too,

[2:09:03] Voice 8: so that when we're thinking

[2:09:05] Voice 8: and considering

[2:09:06] Voice 8: that we're considering the right things thank

[2:09:09] Voice 12: you i'll check it we'll talk about it later

[2:09:12] Voice 4: just a point of clarification thanks donna um yeah i i that would be great to get clarification i

[2:09:19] Voice 4: mean the you know and when you donna when you met mentioned the staff report are you referring to

[2:09:24] Voice 4: the report that was written back in november 1st of 2019 on when this first came to the ltc for

[2:09:30] Voice 4: consideration are

[2:09:38] Voice 9: you

[2:09:39] Voice 4: there no

[2:09:42] Voice 9: so

[2:09:44] Voice 4: donna just just for clarification the staff report that you

[2:09:48] Voice 4: referenced that that um you were looking for clarification on is that the one from november

[2:09:54] Voice 4: 1st of 2019 i

[2:10:00] Voice 12: think it is i think so it

[2:10:03] Voice 8: died again sorry

[2:10:04] Voice 12: okay um

[2:10:06] Voice 8: so um so maybe yeah so i'd

[2:10:10] Voice 8: look forward to just you know however we can manage this okay

[2:10:14] Voice 9: thank

[2:10:15] Voice 8: you thank

[2:10:20] Trustee Patrick: you is there

[2:10:21] Trustee Patrick: anyone else that wishes to address us today with that again we always want to hear from you please

[2:10:31] Trustee Patrick: email southinfo at islandstrust.bc.ca and with that um we have are going to go into a closed

[2:10:42] Trustee Patrick: meeting and um and if i could get um someone to read the motion and then if we could take a five

[2:10:48] Trustee Patrick: 5-minute recess or recess this meeting will we're in recess as we're going to a closed meeting but

[2:10:54] Trustee Patrick: if we could take a 5-minute bio break and then and now we'll establish that time in just a moment

[2:11:00] Trustee Patrick: so if someone like to read the closed motion at 18.1 on the agenda you

[2:11:05] Voice 12: want to close this meeting

[2:11:06] Voice 12: now or is there any

[2:11:08] Voice 12: point in us coming back

[2:11:09] Trustee Patrick: well oh well we'll close the meeting and we can rise

[2:11:14] Trustee Patrick: Mayor Mrakas, Well, how about if we rise and report at the next meeting sure is

[2:11:17] Trustee Patrick: that fair and then yes meeting any Is there any objection to that stuff we do that just want to make sure i'm not seeing anybody raise that so no so go ahead and.

[2:11:31] Voice 9: Mayor Mrakas,

[2:11:31] Trustee Patrick: close close this meeting, and then the public meeting and we're going to now close this meeting to the public and move into that one so.

[2:11:40] Trustee Patrick: with

[2:11:40] Voice 4: a five minute break beforehand correct yes okay so

[2:11:46] Trustee Patrick: who would like to read the motion

[2:11:47] Trustee Patrick: uh

[2:11:48] Voice 12: that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the community charter part four

[2:11:52] Voice 12: division three section 91 di or small one uh for the purpose of considering uh adoption of

[2:12:03] Voice 12: in-camera meeting minutes dated september the 6th and november the 1st 2019 and legal advice

[2:12:09] Voice 12: and that the recorder and staff in the meeting and

[2:12:13] Voice 10: and to discuss apc oh

[2:12:15] Voice 12: and to discuss apc yes

[2:12:17] Voice 12: thanks robert all

[2:12:19] Trustee Patrick: right is there a second second by trustee thorn any discussion i'll call the vote

[2:12:25] Trustee Patrick: all those in favor and that's carried so we're going to go into a different uh we're going to

[2:12:31] Trustee Patrick: leave this meeting close this meeting and there's a different zoom link it is uh 12 42 so if we can

[2:12:36] Trustee Patrick: me back at 12 47 i'd appreciate it because there's a meeting i'd like to try to get into it around

[2:12:42] Trustee Patrick: one o'clock or thereafter thank

[2:12:45] Voice 4: you all

[2:12:46] Trustee Patrick: right thank you thanks

[2:12:47] Voice 4: to all the attendees thank you

[2:12:48] Voice 4: yeah thank you thanks