North Pender Island Local Trust Committee special meeting, May 12, 2021

[0:00:24] Trustee Patrick: Okay, if you're just joining us, please stand by. We'll open the meeting in just a few moments.

[0:00:42] Trustee Patrick: All right, I should be good.

[0:00:43] Trustee Patrick: All right, that's great. So trustees, are we ready to go? Super. Well, good afternoon. And

[0:00:52] Trustee Patrick: I'd like to call this special meeting of the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee to order.

[0:00:56] Trustee Patrick: This meeting is being recorded and live streamed. I always begin with acknowledging how fortunate

[0:01:03] Trustee Patrick: we are to be able to gather today in locations all across the traditional territories of the

[0:01:09] Trustee Patrick: Coast Salish peoples. Last Friday, I had an opportunity of knowledge, cultural knowledge

[0:01:17] Trustee Patrick: sharing First Nations on the topic of water. And we were talking about sort of always the place

[0:01:25] Trustee Patrick: of being present in the place. And I asked Harold Joe to just sort of expand more on it. And

[0:01:30] Trustee Patrick: And he came for me, he said,

[0:01:32] Trustee Patrick: we always talk about human beings,

[0:01:34] Trustee Patrick: but it's about being human, being human in the place.

[0:01:38] Trustee Patrick: And it's just words that are just so deep and meaningful.

[0:01:44] Trustee Patrick: I'm Laura Patrick.

[0:01:45] Trustee Patrick: I'm elected on Salt Spring

[0:01:47] Trustee Patrick: and chair of this local trust committee.

[0:01:48] Trustee Patrick: I'm joined today by trustee Deb Morrison.

[0:01:51] Trustee Patrick: Good afternoon, Deb and trustee Ben McClunkey.

[0:01:53] Trustee Patrick: Trustee, good afternoon, Ben.

[0:01:55] Trustee Patrick: Together we make up your North Pender local trust committee.

[0:01:58] Trustee Patrick: so this is a a meeting that we can official forum for us to make decisions about land use planning

[0:02:06] Trustee Patrick: and discuss relevant business it's also a place of employment despite the fact that some of our

[0:02:11] Trustee Patrick: employees may be coming from their own homes they have the right to a safe and respectful workplace

[0:02:17] Trustee Patrick: we're grateful for this ability to have electronic meeting trustees staff public don't have to travel

[0:02:22] Trustee Patrick: and we're honoring the health guidelines and please understand that this is a tech we may

[0:02:27] Trustee Patrick: have technical difficulties and we'll do our best to overcome them as quickly as we can

[0:02:32] Trustee Patrick: everyone's mics have been muted so there's no disruptions and um we have some staff members

[0:02:38] Trustee Patrick: i'll introduce the staff members we have uh maple hung our office administrator who's making this

[0:02:42] Trustee Patrick: meeting work good afternoon maple shannon brayford our minute taker hello shannon uh and we have uh

[0:02:48] Trustee Patrick: kim stockville our planner that's joining us today so trustees we have an agenda before us is there

[0:02:55] Trustee Patrick: there any additions or changes to the agenda trustee mcconkey with

[0:03:00] Trustee McConchie: the bylaw um enforcement

[0:03:02] Trustee McConchie: issue of uh the contractor and the gravel let uh the across i don't know what the name of the

[0:03:09] Trustee McConchie: property is across from the woods there was a request a planner stock bill had mentioned that

[0:03:13] Trustee McConchie: okay

[0:03:14] Trustee Patrick: so um i don't know what we want to call what should we call that planner stock bill and we can

[0:03:21] Trustee Patrick: can put it at 3.2 uh

[0:03:22] Planner Stockdill: it's um np2p 2021.6 um we can call it um bylaw enforcement sounds

[0:03:34] Trustee Patrick: good all

[0:03:35] Trustee Patrick: right thank you any other additions to the agenda can we approve the agenda as amended through

[0:03:42] Trustee Patrick: general consent great thank you all right with that uh we have one the first business item is

[0:03:51] Trustee Patrick: the land use bylaw review and we have a staff report here and i will turn the floor over to

[0:03:55] Trustee Patrick: planner stockville thank

[0:03:58] Planner Stockdill: you i'm just going to do a brief introduction for the staff report because

[0:04:02] Planner Stockdill: really the most important discussion is with the ltc making some decisions on the three topics

[0:04:11] Planner Stockdill: today so the three topics in relation to the land use bylaw project are the tourist commercial

[0:04:17] Planner Stockdill: commercial regulations, the shoreline and marine regulations, and also the minor and technical

[0:04:23] Planner Stockdill: amendment list. So staff have pulled all options for the LTC to consider from the discussion papers

[0:04:33] Planner Stockdill: and they are have been included in the table as attachment number one to the staff report.

[0:04:40] Planner Stockdill: So this table lists the options, it includes a staff's recommendation and also staff's comments.

[0:04:50] Planner Stockdill: In regards to, there is one item and that's number five in relation to the tourist commercial review,

[0:05:00] Planner Stockdill: where staff's recommendation says or indicates no, that should actually be direction from the LTC required.

[0:05:09] Planner Stockdill: required. So there are a list of options for the LTC to consider. And as I mentioned, the list of

[0:05:17] Planner Stockdill: technical amendments. So similarly to what we did with the previous topics, and unfortunately,

[0:05:27] Planner Stockdill: the maximum floor area and the industrial regulations, it may be worthwhile going

[0:05:32] Planner Stockdill: through this table one by one. And in regards to the minor and technical amendments, really just

[0:05:38] Planner Stockdill: identifying the ones that perhaps that you do not want to be included rather than going through each

[0:05:43] Planner Stockdill: individual one because it's quite a long list and at the the first page of the staff report there's

[0:05:48] Planner Stockdill: the three recommendations for the ltc to consider and there is one minor error and recommendation

[0:05:56] Planner Stockdill: number three and that's page two of the staff report um it says minor and tech technical

[0:06:02] Planner Stockdill: amendment options as outlined in table three that should actually be table two and so i'm going to

[0:06:10] Planner Stockdill: pass it back to you uh chair patrick and to the ltc sorry

[0:06:14] Trustee Morrison: kim can you give us a page number on

[0:06:15] Trustee Morrison: where those errors are because it's hard to track that on our document page two of the agenda so

[0:06:22] Planner Stockdill: that's page one of the staff report in recommendation number three okay it refers to table number three

[0:06:29] Planner Stockdill: that should be table number two thank

[0:06:31] Trustee Patrick: you hey trustees do how would you like to proceed do you

[0:06:37] Trustee Patrick: want to work through the table is that how you would like to do it yeah

[0:06:42] Trustee McConchie: there's a couple comments

[0:06:44] Trustee McConchie: this is on the we're on the uh direction from the ltc required uh comments i wonder if we should

[0:06:50] Trustee McConchie: start from there would that make the most sense so that's number one and number eight on the list

[0:06:55] Trustee Patrick: and she uh yeah was that the one that was also there was an additional one was at number five

[0:07:01] Trustee Patrick: but one of them was also to be changed to that's

[0:07:04] Planner Stockdill: correct number five number

[0:07:05] Trustee Patrick: five as well

[0:07:09] Trustee McConchie: yeah so yeah

[0:07:11] Voice 6: so

[0:07:12] Trustee McConchie: if it's okay yeah i just i because the staff has requested that we you know

[0:07:17] Trustee McConchie: basically you know give direction regarding this number one a review of the total number of

[0:07:22] Trustee McConchie: permitted units and it particularly focuses on on the mckinnon area um i have spoken to numerous

[0:07:28] Trustee McConchie: numerous residents in that area who are very concerned about the water supply there and are

[0:07:32] Trustee McConchie: concerned about the capacity of what's taking place. So I think reducing density is something

[0:07:38] Trustee McConchie: that we need to consider as a local trust committee in order to really reflect the

[0:07:42] Trustee McConchie: environmental and water management needs of that particular area. So I just, I believe there's a

[0:07:48] Trustee McConchie: couple different options, maybe a planter stock deal that you've identified. I'm wondering if

[0:07:55] Trustee McConchie: if you could briefly just discuss that in your staff comments.

[0:08:00] Planner Stockdill: Absolutely.

[0:08:01] Planner Stockdill: So there are four options that we have put,

[0:08:04] Planner Stockdill: staff have put forward for the LTC's consideration.

[0:08:07] Planner Stockdill: The first one is to reduce the number of commercial guest accommodation units

[0:08:13] Planner Stockdill: for all C2 zone properties.

[0:08:16] Planner Stockdill: For example,

[0:08:17] Planner Stockdill: the LTC could rezone the properties to reduce the density that's included in

[0:08:21] Planner Stockdill: table one of the discussion paper.

[0:08:24] Planner Stockdill: And if you'd like, I can share that table so we can take a look at it together.

[0:08:28] Planner Stockdill: If that would be helpful. I'm just going to pull it up right now.

[0:08:42] Planner Stockdill: Personally, I like visual visuals, so I'll just bring this up here.

[0:08:48] Planner Stockdill: So one option the LTC could consider is to actually reduce the number of guest

[0:08:55] Planner Stockdill: commendation units for all the C2 zone properties are listed here to what each property currently has.

[0:09:03] Planner Stockdill: So there could be a reduction, for example, for the woods. It is currently permitted 46 units. The LTC could reduce that number to 25. Similarly, 1333 McKinnon Road has permitted units of 10. Currently, there are zero.

[0:09:21] Planner Stockdill: so there the LTC could consider reducing the numbers to what is actually currently on each

[0:09:28] Planner Stockdill: property. Number two is to reduce the number of commercial guest accommodation units just for

[0:09:36] Planner Stockdill: those properties on McKinnon Road. I'll take this the map here and those are these properties

[0:09:43] Planner Stockdill: indicated here it wouldn't include currents here it would just be reducing the numbers for these

[0:09:52] Planner Stockdill: four properties. Currently these four properties are permitted to have a total of 55 commercial

[0:09:59] Planner Stockdill: guest accommodation units so the LTC could consider reducing that number. Staff haven't

[0:10:05] Planner Stockdill: provided a number but that could be something that we can discuss as well. The third option

[0:10:11] Planner Stockdill: is to rezone the properties on McKinnon Road excluding that one property Arcadia that actually

[0:10:19] Planner Stockdill: has the current use established is to rezone three of the McKinnon properties that do not have the

[0:10:27] Planner Stockdill: commercial guest accommodation units would be rezoned to rural residential zone and that would

[0:10:32] Planner Stockdill: be reflective of the surrounding zoning for that area so the LTC could consider rezoning those

[0:10:38] Planner Stockdill: those three properties from the tourist accommodation to rural residential.

[0:10:43] Planner Stockdill: And the fourth option, the LTC could retain all current densities for these properties.

[0:10:50] Planner Stockdill: And those are the four options that staff have presented to the LTC.

[0:11:01] Trustee Patrick: Could I ask a question? I know one of the things I'm receiving a lot of pressure on is where we've got commercial unit or densities here on Salt Spring.

[0:11:14] Trustee Patrick: spring are there ones that could be considered either maybe it goes to zero but you would

[0:11:20] Trustee Patrick: consider maybe giving some back if they were affordable housing densities instead of commercial

[0:11:27] Trustee Patrick: densities or something i'm just trying to throw out a wild alternative potentially

[0:11:36] Planner Stockdill: if that's the

[0:11:38] Planner Stockdill: direction of the ltc if this is an area indicated where the ltc feels as though that affordable

[0:11:44] Planner Stockdill: housing should be located?

[0:11:49] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, no, I have heard the same narrative on the McKinnon Road properties

[0:11:54] Trustee Morrison: and the water pressure up there, that the density on those commercial properties is much too high.

[0:12:00] Trustee Morrison: So can you tell us a little bit, or do you know the history of, like, did they go through a

[0:12:06] Trustee Morrison: rezoning to get that density? What is the process that has been, why do they have that density,

[0:12:12] Trustee Morrison: i guess is the question yeah

[0:12:14] Planner Stockdill: from my understanding um this has been historically um zoned for the

[0:12:21] Planner Stockdill: use i'm just taking a look at that you the discussion paper um as bear with me sorry

[0:12:36] Planner Stockdill: it sounds as though that this use and the densities have been in place ever since the

[0:12:42] Planner Stockdill: zoning bylaws have been um with the honest trust since 1978 so this isn't something that these

[0:12:49] Planner Stockdill: property owners um rezone their property for it's a historical zoning

[0:12:54] Voice 6: okay do

[0:12:59] Trustee McConchie: we do we know what

[0:13:00] Trustee McConchie: william shulbaugh's findings will be for this particular area for like what the water situation

[0:13:08] Trustee McConchie: is is there any ability to get that information perhaps yeah

[0:13:15] Planner Stockdill: i could speak with william to see

[0:13:17] Planner Stockdill: where the where he's at with the mapping and if this is something the ltc would like this

[0:13:25] Planner Stockdill: information before making a decision we can certainly look into that yeah

[0:13:29] Trustee McConchie: like the principal

[0:13:30] Trustee McConchie: reason i'm arguing about in in favor of i'm thinking of arguing in favor of just um keeping

[0:13:37] Trustee McConchie: the the zone the amount of units to what it's zoned for not increasing is because of water

[0:13:44] Trustee McConchie: right and and it's anecdotal my evidence right now other than i've talked to people there that

[0:13:50] Trustee McConchie: have have really terrible wells um so you know i i'm not sure if that would help us uh but it is

[0:13:57] Trustee McConchie: the principal reason why i would argue um to reduce density in that area yeah

[0:14:04] Trustee Morrison: and so ben are you

[0:14:06] Trustee Morrison: leaning toward option three or oh i'm sorry

[0:14:10] Trustee Patrick: you were out for a second there try it again okay

[0:14:14] Trustee Morrison: Sorry, technical challenges today. Sorry. So I'm leaning toward option three of rezoning the properties, excluding those with CJ with what is the CJ commercial guest accommodation units for two reasons.

[0:14:37] Trustee Morrison: One, what you've named, Ben, about the water issue, and I agree that it would be better to have actual data to base that on.

[0:14:45] Trustee Morrison: But the other issue is more sort of a soft reason in some ways.

[0:14:50] Trustee Morrison: It's the issue about a residential neighborhood, like about having commercial development in those areas where there is none right now, and there is actually no thoughtful rezoning process to go through to do it, right?

[0:15:06] Trustee Morrison: right? Because the rezoning process, like if we strip the zoning off those places that currently

[0:15:10] Trustee Morrison: don't have that activity, then people in the neighborhood get to weigh in if there is going

[0:15:15] Trustee Morrison: to be a development. Right now they get no chance. And so like for me, that seems really problematic

[0:15:20] Trustee Morrison: regardless of water or not, that current people living in that neighborhood who is part of it

[0:15:25] Trustee Morrison: have no say about what kind of development is really going to go on there. So I would lean

[0:15:30] Trustee Morrison: toward three just to be able to give community input into anything that does happen as commercial

[0:15:37] Trustee Morrison: development in those spaces um but then i'm not sure about the remaining ones whether that's a

[0:15:44] Trustee Morrison: move to zero like not move to zero but move to like what their current capacity is for the same

[0:15:50] Trustee Morrison: kind of reason actually like pulling there's a their top capacity down to what they currently

[0:15:57] Trustee Morrison: are so if they want more they have to ask for it and it has to be a community process so i weigh in

[0:16:03] Trustee Morrison: on those two things being the decision for that reason and not given that we don't know what the

[0:16:08] Trustee Morrison: water day right now we can make the decision on a different tangent um just the community should

[0:16:14] Trustee Morrison: have input to that yeah

[0:16:15] Trustee McConchie: i think that's a really good approach trustee morrison for sure i agree

[0:16:18] Trustee McConchie: with that was

[0:16:21] Trustee Morrison: that clear kim yes

[0:16:23] Planner Stockdill: so it sounds like it's a combination of a couple of the options if

[0:16:26] Planner Stockdill: if I'm getting this correctly, so your option would be three is to reduce those three McKinnon

[0:16:31] Planner Stockdill: properties down to zero, or potentially rezoning it to rural residential. And

[0:16:38] Trustee Morrison: then for all other

[0:16:39] Planner Stockdill: commercial or C2 zone properties is actually rezone it down to what they currently have.

[0:16:46] Trustee Morrison: I think that would be the way I would suggest doing it. The first piece of that, I think I

[0:16:52] Trustee Morrison: I would rezone it to rural residential.

[0:16:53] Trustee Morrison: And if people want to move it back

[0:16:55] Trustee Morrison: to commercial residential,

[0:16:58] Trustee Morrison: they have to actually ask the neighbors

[0:17:00] Trustee Morrison: and ask the community more broadly for that.

[0:17:02] Trustee Morrison: Because we're already having quite a challenge

[0:17:05] Trustee Morrison: in different areas around traffic in that area.

[0:17:08] Trustee Morrison: I can't even imagine putting

[0:17:09] Trustee Morrison: a big commercial development into that area.

[0:17:16] Trustee McConchie: Well, it would certainly get the property owner's attention

[0:17:19] Trustee McConchie: and it would create a pretty considerable reaction

[0:17:24] Trustee McConchie: action if we do take that course of action

[0:17:26] Voice 6: um

[0:17:27] Trustee McConchie: now alternatively um we could simply suggest

[0:17:32] Trustee McConchie: that the we keep it as it is um you know because their their zone for how many uh planner stock

[0:17:42] Trustee McConchie: deal how many units on that on those piece of properties uh

[0:17:45] Planner Stockdill: which one sorry the mckinnon

[0:17:47] Planner Stockdill: properties yeah 55 in total

[0:17:49] Trustee McConchie: 55 again that's a lot right like yeah is there a way we it's it's

[0:17:56] Trustee McConchie: almost like uh it's it's almost like we need to find some magic number that doesn't exist

[0:18:01] Trustee McConchie: and but like to me 10 or 20 makes logical sense i'm like um you know completely removing their

[0:18:14] Trustee McConchie: ability to operate would would be a pretty um pretty strong you know action course of action

[0:18:21] Trustee McConchie: right that will cause a a very strong reaction it is kind of the right approach to water

[0:18:28] Trustee McConchie: conservation to reduce i mean we i don't know how many tourist accommodations this island can take

[0:18:33] Trustee McConchie: before we can't ride the ferry anymore uh and if 55 units are built there that's really concerning

[0:18:39] Trustee McConchie: concerning

[0:18:40] Voice 6: right so

[0:18:41] Trustee McConchie: um that's why I say on there's kind of your approach Tracy Morrison is

[0:18:46] Trustee McConchie: I I agree with it I understand but on the same hand they could potentially come back and say

[0:18:52] Trustee McConchie: what the heck are you doing and cause a big contentious debate in the community it's just

[0:18:57] Trustee McConchie: like man right now the community is tense you know

[0:19:01] Trustee McConchie: so um you know I I find that a bit challenging

[0:19:06] Trustee McConchie: I don't know if I can just randomly say,

[0:19:08] Trustee McConchie: can we rezone them down to 20 units?

[0:19:11] Trustee McConchie: Should we talk to the architects

[0:19:13] Trustee McConchie: that are potentially planning what to do there?

[0:19:16] Trustee McConchie: Find a more appropriate common ground

[0:19:20] Trustee McConchie: on what could be allotted there?

[0:19:24] Trustee McConchie: Yeah, so I guess what I'm saying is I have a couple concerns

[0:19:26] Trustee McConchie: about just knowing what the water situation is

[0:19:31] Trustee McConchie: like scientifically from Shuba

[0:19:33] Trustee McConchie: and finding reducing for sure reducing the density there but to what capacity either zero or a happy

[0:19:42] Trustee McConchie: medium obviously i think we're in agreement that it's the current capacity is not appropriate for

[0:19:46] Trustee McConchie: the environment and for the island system

[0:19:48] Trustee McConchie: so yeah i'm not sure how to make a decision on that

[0:19:52] Trustee McConchie: it might require consulting with the property owners and asking what they think yeah i think

[0:19:59] Trustee Morrison: my sort of thought process put it that way on those three so let's take them as two separate

[0:20:06] Trustee Morrison: issues because i think they're a little bit two different things so like the three properties

[0:20:10] Trustee Morrison: that have no known commercial accommodation use on them so the ones on mckinnon road

[0:20:16] Trustee Morrison: um those three there's actually uh one at driftwood but i think that's a slightly different

[0:20:22] Trustee Morrison: situation it might also be a similar idea but i'm just going to talk about the three on mckinnon

[0:20:28] Trustee Morrison: road first of all so the three on mckinnon road that have zero right now of current estimated

[0:20:32] Trustee Morrison: units so my understanding from what you said kim is essentially the zoning was put on there as

[0:20:38] Trustee Morrison: a little bit of that kind of random zoning that happened when the islands trust was created

[0:20:43] Trustee Morrison: like that somebody at the time was like oh i might want to do commercial use or whatever and so they

[0:20:48] Trustee Morrison: somehow talked their initial sort of zoning map into having commercial zoning so i don't think

[0:20:55] Trustee Morrison: I don't think that they've been thought through. I don't think that they're organized or coherent in any way. And so I personally don't, I can't adjust the number in any way other than to zero, because I don't have any indication why they should be there in the first place, right?

[0:21:14] Trustee Morrison: right? Like, is that where we want, you know, in tourist development? Not really. I'd rather it all

[0:21:18] Trustee Morrison: be kind of closer to a place where people can walk in and around the driftwood or like where it's

[0:21:23] Trustee Morrison: close to, you know, parks so people aren't driving all over the island. I don't know. Like, it just

[0:21:27] Trustee Morrison: seems not, I don't know. And if somebody is going to make a good argument for them there, then great,

[0:21:32] Trustee Morrison: let's go through rezoning and do it, you know, and have the full consultation process. But,

[0:21:38] Trustee Morrison: and Kim, correct me if I'm wrong on this, if we just reduce that to zero for those three properties,

[0:21:44] Trustee Morrison: um but don't rezone them back to rural residential then what is the process for somebody to try and

[0:21:51] Trustee Morrison: density on those like to be able to put some kind of commercial like they have to go through a

[0:21:57] Trustee Morrison: rezoning process or uh what what happens there so

[0:22:00] Planner Stockdill: sorry um i was just taking a look at the at the

[0:22:05] Planner Stockdill: at the zoning so if you were to reduce the numbers to zero for for um the commercial guest

[0:22:13] Planner Stockdill: guest accommodation, the property owners would be left with the remaining permitted uses. And those

[0:22:19] Planner Stockdill: are a marina, boat launch ramps, retail sales, and then you have accessory laundromat, restaurant,

[0:22:29] Planner Stockdill: and so forth, or two accessory dwelling units, which in this case wouldn't, there are accessory

[0:22:37] Planner Stockdill: dwelling units. So that's why if you're reducing the number down to zero, you'd want to rezone it

[0:22:43] Planner Stockdill: to rural residential to permit that dwelling

[0:22:45] Planner Stockdill: unit outright yeah

[0:22:47] Trustee Morrison: see that's the challenge if we just

[0:22:49] Trustee Morrison: go down to zero but we don't go back to rural residential zoning on them then they could have

[0:22:53] Trustee Morrison: a bunch of other things potentially in there that again the neighbors haven't really consented to

[0:22:57] Trustee Morrison: because it's been something that's been there for 50 without being activated so i kind of feel like

[0:23:04] Trustee Morrison: it should be taken back to rural residential just for the aspect of engaging in community

[0:23:10] Trustee Morrison: community conversation around like what the land would be used for if somebody does want to and

[0:23:14] Trustee Morrison: then it doesn't necessarily tie it to that particular piece of land if there's a better

[0:23:17] Trustee Morrison: piece of land for a more logical piece that it should go on up in that area and somebody wants

[0:23:21] Trustee Morrison: to do it then they can come with an application that's clear and they go through it um with the

[0:23:27] Trustee Morrison: community so i would i would lean toward pretty substantial rezoning for those three pieces

[0:23:35] Trustee Morrison: um so maybe i'll pause there ben just to see what you think and then the other ones i'd like to talk

[0:23:39] Trustee Morrison: about a little more too yeah

[0:23:41] Trustee McConchie: i mean like i i uh admire your courage because it's like uh i don't

[0:23:48] Trustee McConchie: i i wonder if i mean if the property owner should be notified right about about this um especially

[0:23:56] Trustee McConchie: if we're going to take this course of action i would concern myself with legal challenges

[0:24:01] Trustee McConchie: especially if they have like a proposal already in place it's my understanding some of those

[0:24:05] Trustee McConchie: properties been sold recently um like to me it's look i i would i'm under the assumption that the

[0:24:13] Trustee McConchie: minute you start telling people you can't do something with and you're gonna do it this way

[0:24:18] Trustee McConchie: there there will be a reaction right um and and that's fine um reactions are fun um however um

[0:24:28] Trustee McConchie: uh i believe that um we need to open the lines of communication uh to to the property owners

[0:24:35] Trustee McConchie: And I'm wondering, um, how to do that. Uh, cause I'm not prepared to make a decision today

[0:24:41] Trustee McConchie: that indicates or, or direction that indicates a complete zero and a complete rezoning. Um,

[0:24:49] Trustee McConchie: because I don't know what the ramifications of that are. We have not done that yet as a trust

[0:24:56] Trustee McConchie: committee. Um, like I've wanted to with industrial land, uh, that's not being utilized. Um, and,

[0:25:04] Trustee McConchie: And it's it's it's very it's a very challenging, challenging course of action.

[0:25:15] Trustee McConchie: So I I would prefer if we we open the lines of communication with the property owner and then we had the science to back it up that I would be more comfortable going to zero that way.

[0:25:27] Trustee McConchie: Otherwise, I'd be prepared to just argue for smaller density, meaning less units allowed on those particular falls.

[0:25:40] Trustee Morrison: And you're okay with the other units, like marinas or other things like that?

[0:25:48] Trustee McConchie: Yeah, no, I'm not okay with that.

[0:25:52] Trustee Patrick: I mean, this other concept that I was mentioning too, Squamish just is considering a proposal where they're going to reduce development potential,

[0:26:02] Trustee Patrick: but you get it back if you do certain things if you meet certain you know build your houses and

[0:26:08] Trustee Patrick: you know higher standards so there's there's something along there that could be considered

[0:26:14] Trustee Patrick: you know of doing what would be good what does good look like uh for process to become an

[0:26:24] Trustee Patrick: incentive rather than yeah but

[0:26:27] Trustee Morrison: isn't that the same thing laura like if we if we have

[0:26:31] Trustee Morrison: if we remove zoning that isn't currently being used so that we can't get built without sort of

[0:26:38] Trustee Morrison: community conversation then isn't it the same thing when somebody brings a rezoning application

[0:26:44] Trustee Morrison: that we say okay we consider this but like these are the things that we'd want to see in it that's

[0:26:50] Trustee Morrison: essentially what the community conversation does is it designs for them yeah okay because that's

[0:26:56] Trustee Morrison: something else actually like been related to the conversation we had an industrial land i've had a

[0:27:01] Trustee Morrison: a lot of pushback about giving zoning for industrial land in particular places without

[0:27:08] Trustee Morrison: community conversation because nobody apparently likes that they don't think it's fair and they

[0:27:12] Trustee Morrison: don't think it's equitable and so I'm like okay this is a situation where it's not really fair

[0:27:17] Trustee Morrison: equitable because it was kind of random and how it was put originally and now all the neighbors

[0:27:23] Trustee Morrison: in that area has been built up are potentially going to be like next to a resort you know that

[0:27:29] Trustee Morrison: you know maybe it isn't so i'm totally happy with communicating with the landowners but i

[0:27:36] Trustee Morrison: you know if there's an application in process it's a grandfathered issue i understand i think

[0:27:41] Trustee Morrison: they've already submitted the application right they can continue the use is that true is there

[0:27:46] Trustee Morrison: like a window issue kim well

[0:27:49] Planner Stockdill: in this scenario they they wouldn't need to the only thing they'd

[0:27:52] Planner Stockdill: be submitting is a building permit to construct right these units that's

[0:27:56] Trustee Morrison: right yeah because we

[0:27:58] Trustee Morrison: We can't do really anything on the form or function of it because they're already zoned.

[0:28:01] Planner Stockdill: That's right.

[0:28:02] Planner Stockdill: So these property owners have been notified of this project and of the discussion paper.

[0:28:08] Planner Stockdill: But as Trustee McConkie mentioned, I believe that at least one of the properties has been recently purchased in the last three months.

[0:28:18] Planner Stockdill: So we can't confirm who we mailed it to.

[0:28:22] Planner Stockdill: It was actually the previous property owner or the current property owner.

[0:28:26] Planner Stockdill: So staff could write to those three property owners just identifying that the LTC is looking at either reducing the numbers or potentially rezoning the three properties to rural residential and we could ask them to provide a reply by a certain date.

[0:28:45] Trustee Morrison: that seems reasonable and it doesn't mean we could necessarily go forward with a particular

[0:28:51] Trustee Morrison: direction it just means we have to be willing to understand that we might shift on that if there's

[0:28:55] Trustee Morrison: you know like giant pushback i don't know that pushback from three people is necessarily going

[0:29:01] Trustee Morrison: to sway me what i think might be the right move for the community given the number of people in

[0:29:06] Trustee Morrison: that area that have told me they don't like that potential for development so yeah

[0:29:12] Trustee McConchie: i like i talked

[0:29:13] Trustee McConchie: to a couple neighbors there one neighbor had a really good suggestion that you know working with

[0:29:19] Trustee McConchie: them and finding out what their plans are is important

[0:29:22] Voice 6: um

[0:29:24] Trustee McConchie: and i'm not super comfortable

[0:29:26] Trustee McConchie: you know making a decision about that basic communication so and i don't really know

[0:29:31] Trustee McConchie: it's like i don't know who these people are these people that own this land so

[0:29:35] Trustee McConchie: um and i'm busy so it'd be great if staff could just do that let them know what we're doing

[0:29:39] Trustee McConchie: and then great that'd be awesome yeah

[0:29:42] Trustee Morrison: that'd be great

[0:29:42] Trustee McConchie: but i but i just want to mention like

[0:29:44] Trustee McConchie: trustee morrison like i totally absolutely support your um your courage to basically say hey enough

[0:29:52] Trustee McConchie: is enough we don't need this island to turn into resort land poets cove is booked already

[0:30:00] Trustee McConchie: summer um mill bay marine groups building port browning uh the development potential uh behind

[0:30:06] Trustee McConchie: the driftwood still exists you know the currents i mean woods there's there's lots of places to stay

[0:30:12] Trustee McConchie: guys you know

[0:30:13] Voice 6: and

[0:30:14] Trustee McConchie: and and we got to make sure we're taking care of our community you know as

[0:30:19] Trustee McConchie: well in our in our water so i uh do support what you're saying yeah

[0:30:23] Trustee Morrison: and just to be clear i'm not

[0:30:24] Trustee Morrison: saying that i wouldn't want development anywhere i'm just saying that i really would like to have

[0:30:30] Trustee Morrison: some control as a community over what that development looks like right and right now

[0:30:36] Trustee Morrison: we can't do that because it's already zoned that way yeah so yeah

[0:30:40] Voice 6: what

[0:30:44] Trustee Patrick: about these other uses is

[0:30:45] Trustee Patrick: that going to be part of the conversation yeah it concerns me

[0:30:49] Trustee Morrison: a lot that's that's why i would go for

[0:30:51] Trustee Morrison: for pulling that zoning back to rural residential because the idea that they really don't need to

[0:30:57] Trustee Morrison: ask for any kind of permission to go ahead and do those other pieces apart from maybe a development

[0:31:02] Trustee Morrison: permit if there's a maritime area issue is that accurate kim well

[0:31:07] Trustee McConchie: how could they possibly build

[0:31:09] Trustee McConchie: a marina there that's no

[0:31:10] Trustee Morrison: that would be a development permit issue yeah i know plus

[0:31:13] Trustee Morrison: the siting is like awkward for that yeah and

[0:31:16] Planner Stockdill: that's the thing and that's another actually

[0:31:18] Planner Stockdill: item that staff are hoping to amend is to remove marina as a permitted use and add it as a um

[0:31:25] Planner Stockdill: because the marina we don't actually zone it for the land it should be for the the water

[0:31:31] Planner Stockdill: that

[0:31:32] Trustee Morrison: would be good so if we could do that across that zone then it removes that problem

[0:31:37] Trustee Morrison: from that from that so classification what was the other things it was laundering that

[0:31:43] Trustee Patrick: it's listed right there on page nine on item bullet little two oh there it is neighborhood

[0:31:50] Trustee Morrison: pub oh other than neighborhood pub i'm like neighborhood pub okay restaurant cafe yeah

[0:31:56] Trustee Morrison: removing certain permissions from some locations okay so you're saying that right now it has all

[0:32:07] Trustee Morrison: these blanket things that could be there and we would basically say that well i guess one of the

[0:32:15] Trustee Morrison: ways to handle that is if you wanted to leave the zoning in place you'd take it back to zero

[0:32:21] Trustee Morrison: remove it remove those uses from that place and they have to apply for those uses that gets them

[0:32:27] Trustee Morrison: back into conversation right about like what they're doing in a particular thing so because

[0:32:32] Trustee Morrison: right now if they have licenses under the liquor control and licensing act they could put it like

[0:32:37] Trustee Morrison: a beer and wine store up there is that that's true right

[0:32:40] Planner Stockdill: that's that's only if it's it's an

[0:32:43] Planner Stockdill: so a neighborhood pub um a late yeah liquor control licensing licensing act establishment

[0:32:49] Planner Stockdill: is this has to be accessory to one of the permitted uses so you have to have your

[0:32:53] Planner Stockdill: um they say a hotel motel or lodge in place um

[0:32:58] Trustee Morrison: okay so

[0:33:00] Planner Stockdill: you can't necessarily just plunk down

[0:33:01] Planner Stockdill: a restaurant first that has to be an

[0:33:03] Planner Stockdill: accessory use okay

[0:33:04] Trustee Morrison: that makes sense that makes way more

[0:33:06] Trustee Morrison: sense i was like how can they do that okay that makes more sense um but right now the way it's

[0:33:12] Trustee Morrison: zoned they if it was zero they would still have to apply back for density like to build the building

[0:33:19] Trustee Morrison: yes

[0:33:21] Planner Stockdill: you could have a site-specific um permission for those four properties or three um allowing

[0:33:30] Planner Stockdill: the dwelling unit as a outright permitted use rather than an accessory use so that's another

[0:33:36] Planner Stockdill: other option as well so they could potentially keep the c2 zoning um and there could be a site

[0:33:44] Planner Stockdill: specific allowance for um perhaps a permitted dwelling unit an outright permitted dwelling unit

[0:33:57] Trustee Morrison: right yeah i'm leaning heavy toward like real residential rezoning so i think like i'm happy

[0:34:04] Trustee Morrison: with being able to contact the landowners and like hear what they say and go from there

[0:34:08] Trustee Morrison: but um yeah i'm definitely leaning toward those three properties in particular just going back

[0:34:14] Trustee Morrison: to rural residential and if they want to go back to this they have to ask for it

[0:34:18] Trustee McConchie: flash talk to

[0:34:20] Trustee McConchie: our property values impacted by this i know i'm not supposed to think about that but i'm wondering

[0:34:24] Trustee McConchie: how much how what the reaction will be uh to trustee morrison's um uh suggestion uh because

[0:34:33] Trustee McConchie: people buy land and

[0:34:34] Voice 6: there

[0:34:36] Trustee McConchie: is assumption they can use it because of that um would that okay can you

[0:34:41] Trustee McConchie: be how about maybe i should ask more specific can you be subject to a legal challenge for this

[0:34:45] Trustee McConchie: course of action trustee morrison um

[0:34:49] Planner Stockdill: no because you're not removing all density or all use from

[0:34:53] Planner Stockdill: the property there's you're still permitting some some use uh you're still permitting say

[0:34:59] Planner Stockdill: a dwelling unit which actually is probably what's currently established on the property right now

[0:35:05] Planner Stockdill: um in terms of property values i can't i can't answer that question no

[0:35:12] Trustee McConchie: of course yeah yeah no i

[0:35:14] Trustee McConchie: for sure i'm what i yeah i don't

[0:35:16] Trustee Morrison: totally understand the point yeah

[0:35:18] Trustee McConchie: yeah you know i'm

[0:35:19] Trustee McConchie: trying to uh well i i want this i want the uh property owners to also be like this is a good

[0:35:25] Trustee McConchie: idea you know like this this is good for the environment and we don't need this many resorts

[0:35:34] Trustee McConchie: right um so we need to have our arguments really sound if we do this is all i'm saying you know

[0:35:41] Trustee McConchie: like sure

[0:35:42] Trustee McConchie: let's go for a trustee morrison let's it makes total logical sense what you're saying

[0:35:46] Voice 6: i'm

[0:35:47] Trustee McConchie: prepared um you know with all the information to be able to make that case

[0:35:52] Trustee Morrison: so let me give an example of what i think would be an amazing case for something like that

[0:35:57] Trustee Morrison: so but it would only work if we actually remove zoning to reapply for it unfortunately so what

[0:36:05] Trustee Morrison: would be like if somebody came to us with an idea for one of those properties that was like

[0:36:09] Trustee Morrison: full catchment water like really thoughtful small footprint cabins or cottages that were

[0:36:17] Trustee Morrison: clustered in a way they have really thought out and worked with the neighbors to really think

[0:36:21] Trustee Morrison: about like how to manage impacts and um traffic flow or pedestrians like they really thought that

[0:36:27] Trustee Morrison: whole through and they have a plan about it like that's amazing let's let's encourage that kind of

[0:36:32] Trustee Morrison: development right and like i don't want it to just be those three community those three pieces maybe

[0:36:37] Trustee Morrison: like other people in other locations might want to develop that out and that kind of like with a

[0:36:42] Trustee Morrison: house like a permanent residence on site like where somebody's living so it's kind of like

[0:36:47] Trustee Morrison: like it's the business version of stvrs but in a way that is like thoughtful and reflected on by

[0:36:53] Trustee Morrison: the people around them and i would be all over that because that that allows small business

[0:36:58] Trustee Morrison: development on the island in a way that i think is really beneficial but like allowing 26 units

[0:37:05] Trustee Morrison: on a spot that like what does that look like i can't even imagine what that looks like is that

[0:37:10] Trustee Morrison: like a motel or a lodge or like i don't know what that looks like so and that's a small lot

[0:37:16] Trustee Morrison: lot you know that's 1.2 hectare lot or that's small and the neighbors are pretty close in there

[0:37:24] Trustee Morrison: those are long narrow lots generally so i i can't imagine that being okay um i know we've had

[0:37:30] Trustee Morrison: correspondence too so i've seen letters come through that really talked about this particular

[0:37:36] Trustee Morrison: area that were um just very concerned about the density and the way in which the zoning was

[0:37:44] Trustee Morrison: applied originally that it was very arbitrary other

[0:37:49] Planner Stockdill: options uh the ltc could consider is if

[0:37:53] Planner Stockdill: you do reduce the numbers for those four properties or rezone those three properties

[0:37:58] Planner Stockdill: to rural residential you could always add enabling policies to the ocp that state that you know the

[0:38:06] Planner Stockdill: ltc um or would would support a rezoning application for tourist commercial in these scenarios where

[0:38:16] Planner Stockdill: you know

[0:38:16] Planner Stockdill: there is um whatever information provided or they can have environmentally

[0:38:22] Planner Stockdill: sensitive features or so forth and that's actually similar to um when we get into the

[0:38:29] Planner Stockdill: discussion about docks and site-specific dock rezoning there's policies that we've included so

[0:38:35] Planner Stockdill: it um that could be an option as well

[0:38:37] Trustee Morrison: okay all

[0:38:40] Trustee Patrick: right should we move on you need further direction

[0:38:43] Trustee Patrick: then planner stock dealer uh

[0:38:45] Planner Stockdill: it would be nice to have a resolution just that uh that the ltc give

[0:38:49] Planner Stockdill: direction to staff to write a letter to the four property owners notifying the ltc is considering

[0:38:57] Planner Stockdill: those two options reducing the numbers or rezoning the prop three properties to rural residential

[0:39:06] Trustee Morrison: shannon do you have a version of that going or shall we try and board it for you um

[0:39:15] Voice 3: yeah i will

[0:39:16] Voice 3: have a version uh for you to edit in just one moment thank you and

[0:39:25] Trustee McConchie: if the oh sorry plan

[0:39:26] Trustee McConchie: i was

[0:39:27] Planner Stockdill: going to say if the trustees um know those property owners or have email addresses or phone

[0:39:32] Planner Stockdill: numbers that does help because we really do want to connect with these four property owners

[0:39:38] Planner Stockdill: obviously we'll write the letters and they go in the mail but it'd be nice to have a you know

[0:39:43] Planner Stockdill: one-on-one conversation as well so if the those property owners are listening today please contact

[0:39:49] Planner Stockdill: your trustees and myself yeah

[0:39:53] Trustee McConchie: and uh if i can just add like the history of the north pender island

[0:39:57] Trustee McConchie: trust politics is like you have trustees that come in after some trustees that uh try to protect the

[0:40:06] Trustee McConchie: environment like it's like there's there's a bunch of people that are listening to this they know

[0:40:11] Trustee McConchie: know what i'm talking about we had some trustees that just allowed some really weird stuff to

[0:40:15] Trustee McConchie: happen here like some really high dense commercial stuff and the reality is is when there were

[0:40:25] Trustee McConchie: trustees in the past that you know said hey no let's cut her down let's let's make the zoning

[0:40:29] Trustee McConchie: less dense in some of these areas that motivated a huge segment of the population to run in an

[0:40:35] Trustee McConchie: election and a campaign to go like hey we need to bring people to pender and what's with this

[0:40:40] Trustee McConchie: oppressive totalitarian press committee right so I think it's really important that we and I know

[0:40:46] Trustee McConchie: Patrick you have to deal with this on Salisbury all the time I just I just think it's important

[0:40:51] Trustee McConchie: to know what we're doing I think it's the right thing to do really want to do what you're saying

[0:40:56] Trustee McConchie: trustee Morrison

[0:40:56] Voice 6: yeah

[0:40:58] Trustee McConchie: I just uh it is a reality uh that I'm just aware of in the history of

[0:41:03] Trustee McConchie: pender pender politics well

[0:41:06] Trustee Patrick: that's why I was thought to me some of this incentive language is

[0:41:11] Trustee Patrick: beneficial because then it helps people see the path forward, you know, see a path forward.

[0:41:16] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Morrison, you have your hands up. Oh, that was, I was trying to get my

[0:41:21] Trustee Morrison: chat. I'm good.

[0:41:23] Trustee Morrison: All right. All right. Shall I read

[0:41:27] Trustee McConchie: it? Shannon needs clarification on our intent to

[0:41:31] Trustee McConchie: turn the property, rezone the commercial properties to rural residential. That's the intent.

[0:41:40] Trustee McConchie: chance did you

[0:41:41] Trustee Morrison: want to try to read that yeah and

[0:41:45] Trustee Morrison: and i think it's actually it is actually

[0:41:49] Trustee Morrison: both of those things so to either reduce the number of units or rezone the rural residential

[0:41:54] Trustee Morrison: we actually want like feedback on that i think kim's got that so um bold is the introvert yeah

[0:42:02] Trustee Morrison: and so advising and i would say we might want to put in there advising uh how do you best want to

[0:42:10] Trustee Morrison: to reference these properties, Kim. Advising that, can I do them by zone number? Like C2B, C2C?

[0:42:21] Planner Stockdill: That's a good idea. Yeah, that's a good idea. Okay. Bring that up here.

[0:42:26] Trustee Morrison: Okay. So I have them

[0:42:28] Trustee Morrison: as C2B, C2C, C2E are the McKinnon Road properties that we're discussing here.

[0:42:39] Planner Stockdill: So it'd be C2B, C,

[0:42:41] Planner Stockdill: D and E. Oh,

[0:42:43] Trustee Morrison: and D. Yeah, you're right. D. Okay. All right. So I'm going to try and read that and

[0:42:54] Trustee Morrison: see if that works out. That the North Pender LTC give direction to staff to write a letter

[0:43:02] Trustee Morrison: to the four property owners c2 b c d and e um that of the ltc's intent to either reduce the

[0:43:19] Trustee Morrison: number of units or rezone to rural residential all

[0:43:24] Trustee Patrick: right i'll wait for a confirmation shannon

[0:43:27] Trustee Patrick: you got that i did thank you all right is there a second seconded by christine mcconkey is there

[0:43:36] Trustee Patrick: any discussion there it is right if there's no discussion I'll call the vote all those in favor

[0:43:52] Trustee Patrick: and that's carried any other conversation then on this item one is

[0:43:59] Trustee Morrison: that complete so are there

[0:44:00] Trustee Morrison: any other things on here that we need to give feedback on because the other point was about

[0:44:07] Trustee Morrison: reducing the number of units for the properties for the other properties on here to their current

[0:44:15] Trustee Morrison: use um i i kind of would like to do that too for a similar reason um but i also again it would be

[0:44:26] Trustee Morrison: nice to have communications directly from each person if they're opposed to that or not like

[0:44:32] Trustee Morrison: it would be then i don't know if we've got any correspondence from any of the

[0:44:35] Trustee Morrison: other owners like the woods um and um the driftwood center current support running

[0:44:42] Trustee Morrison: I

[0:44:44] Planner Stockdill: can't recall if we've received specific letters from those property owners or operators we did

[0:44:51] Planner Stockdill: send them out I would have to double check our correspondence we could send another letter out

[0:45:00] Planner Stockdill: notifying if the LTC wishes yeah

[0:45:05] Trustee Morrison: it feels to me like the Port Browning one we've we've dealt with

[0:45:08] Trustee Morrison: that in our term that there was another piece of that rezoning effort had come through for us so

[0:45:14] Trustee Morrison: So it feels like that application is moving already.

[0:45:18] Trustee Morrison: I don't know if it was moving toward 29.

[0:45:20] Trustee Morrison: That seems awfully high.

[0:45:21] Trustee Morrison: But I don't know.

[0:45:25] Trustee Morrison: Thoughts, Ben?

[0:45:31] Trustee McConchie: Sorry, I don't even know.

[0:45:33] Trustee McConchie: I don't understand where we're at and what we're talking about quite.

[0:45:36] Trustee McConchie: Sorry, you have to clarify for me.

[0:45:38] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, so I'm looking at table one in the tourist commercial discussion paper

[0:45:42] Trustee Morrison: and just thinking about like, so there's the four properties that we identified

[0:45:47] Trustee Morrison: that maybe we've rezoned, maybe we just reduced them.

[0:45:50] Trustee Morrison: all the other ones do we reduce them to their current units or do we keep them at their

[0:45:54] Trustee Morrison: permitted development is the question and i think it's a similar kind of question to what we just

[0:45:59] Trustee Morrison: have like like if we don't have clear correspondence from each person saying like yay or nay like about

[0:46:05] Trustee Morrison: what they're feeling around that i think they should

[0:46:09] Trustee McConchie: current yeah retain their current densities

[0:46:11] Trustee McConchie: for sure i mean that seems to be the most logical course because we we have to put a pause on stuff

[0:46:17] Trustee McConchie: right now until we understand what's happening like we have to recognize we don't have we're

[0:46:23] Trustee McConchie: running out of water and we don't know how many people ride the ferry really like we don't there's

[0:46:28] Trustee McConchie: a whole bunch of guessing going on right now and the island's going to get packed this summer right

[0:46:33] Trustee McConchie: so i guess retaining current densities makes the most sense to me rather than the permitted

[0:46:38] Trustee McConchie: density you know the letting them grow exponentially it doesn't make any sense to me

[0:46:45] Trustee Morrison: yeah so drift would that would mean drift would would go from 27 to zero so that's the one that

[0:46:51] Trustee Morrison: the only one i think that there would be a lot of pushback against um the other ones i'm not sure

[0:46:59] Trustee McConchie: well the drift okay fair enough um i mean the probably the biggest problem with the drift was

[0:47:06] Trustee McConchie: they didn't they weren't the water situation from what i understand

[0:47:09] Trustee McConchie: with the last back in the night

[0:47:10] Trustee McConchie: I think it was in the 2000s when this came up,

[0:47:13] Trustee McConchie: one of the trustees resigned because he was receiving death threats over that

[0:47:17] Trustee McConchie: particular application. And it caught,

[0:47:19] Trustee McConchie: and that's when Gary Steeves got elected in a by-election and started his

[0:47:22] Trustee McConchie: political career because it was so contentious. Right. So we have to be,

[0:47:27] Trustee McConchie: we have to be careful about how we communicate with folks that,

[0:47:33] Trustee McConchie: you know, that are affected by this. So yeah,

[0:47:38] Trustee McConchie: Yeah, we need to let them know. Let's see what they say. If we let them know, hey, we have an intent to reduce the density in this area.

[0:47:45] Trustee McConchie: We are concerned about it. And just let you know the direction will be to potentially make it to zero.

[0:47:55] Trustee McConchie: However, they'll come back and they'll say, well, we've wanted to do affordable housing back there for years and the trust has tried to shut us down.

[0:48:02] Trustee McConchie: Right. And that's what they'll say. And we'll look like we're not supporting affordable housing.

[0:48:08] Trustee McConchie: if we just get rid of that altogether you

[0:48:10] Voice 6: know

[0:48:12] Trustee McConchie: um and that to me will cause a major reaction in the

[0:48:15] Trustee McConchie: community which is not something you really want you know i don't i don't necessarily know if that's

[0:48:19] Trustee McConchie: the best way to go about it i have yeah sorry i

[0:48:22] Trustee Patrick: was gonna say this is tourism units that we're

[0:48:25] Trustee Patrick: talking so i think we have to be you know very clear well

[0:48:30] Trustee Morrison: and that's the other thing is if you're

[0:48:31] Trustee Morrison: if you the argument the clear argument for wiping these at current and in that case some of them is

[0:48:37] Trustee Morrison: dropping that to zero is that we're limiting current like expansion of commercial guest

[0:48:44] Trustee Morrison: accommodations until we address our affordable housing issues right feel free to reason it for

[0:48:51] Trustee Morrison: multi-family residential and come to us with a viable project you know i

[0:48:56] Trustee McConchie: see right so

[0:48:57] Trustee McConchie: well

[0:48:59] Trustee McConchie: wouldn't oh yeah fair enough i would

[0:49:02] Trustee Morrison: much rather see i would much rather see some of this density

[0:49:06] Trustee Morrison: in affordable housing than in guest accommodations right now because we have such a crunch with that

[0:49:11] Trustee Morrison: here so yes so I think I'm fine with that Kim if we want to keep it at current estimated right now

[0:49:23] Trustee Morrison: and then you know but also you know maybe comb through what the correspondence is we've had

[0:49:30] Trustee Morrison: already and see where we have like responses from folks who who own these properties and if any of

[0:49:37] Trustee Morrison: them are listening for them to like really reach out specifically if like free forward things if

[0:49:42] Trustee Morrison: there is something that's a red flag just so that we can understand it because again at this moment

[0:49:47] Trustee Morrison: we're not saying that's the final decision we're getting it into a stage where we can have a first

[0:49:52] Trustee Morrison: reading so then we can really hear clearly where there are contentious issues and it's never helpful

[0:49:58] Trustee Morrison: for anyone in the community to just go on some rant on one tangent like the whole yeah anyway

[0:50:04] Trustee Morrison: I just don't even want to name that otherwise it's going to happen

[0:50:07] Trustee Morrison: again but you know like be

[0:50:10] Trustee Morrison: informed about what we're actually suggesting and what the next steps are as as we start to

[0:50:14] Trustee Morrison: think about this uh

[0:50:19] Trustee McConchie: yeah so I support routine current densities yes I'm

[0:50:23] Trustee Morrison: good with that do you

[0:50:23] Trustee Morrison: need a motion for that Kim okay so that the North Pender LTC give direction to staff to have the

[0:50:33] Trustee Morrison: remaining tourist commercial zoning maintain at the current number of units perhaps

[0:50:44] Planner Stockdill: clarify as

[0:50:45] Planner Stockdill: established on the property as

[0:50:48] Trustee Morrison: established on the property rather

[0:50:52] Planner Stockdill: than as outlined in the leb yeah

[0:50:56] Trustee Morrison: yes i see what you're saying yes as established on the property yeah is there a second second

[0:51:03] Trustee McConchie: second yep

[0:51:04] Trustee Patrick: by trustee mcconkey you need to have that read back shannon if you could okay

[0:51:24] Voice 3: uh that

[0:51:26] Voice 3: the north pender and local trust committee give direction to staff to have the remaining tourism

[0:51:30] Voice 3: zoning remain at the current number of units as established on the property

[0:51:35] Trustee Morrison: everything's right

[0:51:37] Trustee Morrison: about that except between tourist and zoning we need the word commercial excellent perfect thank

[0:51:45] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[0:51:46] Trustee Morrison: All right.

[0:51:50] Trustee Patrick: Is there, is that, that was seconded?

[0:51:52] Trustee Patrick: Yep.

[0:51:53] Trustee Patrick: And

[0:51:54] Trustee Morrison: is there any discussion?

[0:51:55] Trustee Morrison: No, I think that's the right move too.

[0:51:57] Trustee Morrison: Until, and that's, that's the argument really there is about, you know, it's not to say

[0:52:02] Trustee Morrison: that you can't have higher density in particular, but there's quite a few of these places that

[0:52:07] Trustee Morrison: we really do need to check the water before we increase the density in any way.

[0:52:11] Trustee Morrison: And that we would really like people to start thinking about community internally and thinking

[0:52:16] Trustee Morrison: about, you know, affordable housing possibilities too.

[0:52:19] Trustee Morrison: yeah

[0:52:20] Trustee McConchie: the other thing i just want to add is like the the amount of tourism that is taking place

[0:52:28] Trustee McConchie: on our island has a massive impact and gets trickled down to the taxpayer right like we have

[0:52:35] Trustee McConchie: work people start being like why don't well we need some bigger ferries we need more more people

[0:52:41] Trustee McConchie: are coming the locals will get pushed out of their houses potentially right as they are um i mean it's

[0:52:47] Trustee McConchie: It needs to be addressed.

[0:52:50] Trustee McConchie: Now's the time.

[0:52:51] Trustee McConchie: So, you know, I respect your motion here, Trustee Morrison.

[0:52:56] Trustee McConchie: All right.

[0:53:00] Trustee Patrick: Then I'll call the vote.

[0:53:02] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[0:53:04] Trustee Patrick: That'll be carried.

[0:53:08] Trustee Morrison: Anything else we need on that one, Kim?

[0:53:14] Planner Stockdill: All right.

[0:53:15] Planner Stockdill: Sorry.

[0:53:16] Planner Stockdill: The next option is just number two, that the LTC would consider removing certain permitted uses from some locations.

[0:53:23] Planner Stockdill: applications let me just pull that up I'm not sure if the LTC can see this yeah so it's number

[0:53:31] Planner Stockdill: two there and this is specifically for those McKinnon Road properties that you'd be removing

[0:53:37] Planner Stockdill: the use of a restaurant or cafe in that rural residential like area what would you like to do

[0:53:50] Trustee Morrison: I feel like that one should go on the letter to those four properties and then we should just

[0:53:55] Trustee Morrison: come back and circle around because it seems like it might be a moot point if they go back

[0:53:58] Trustee Morrison: rural residential and if they don't then we should consider it with feedback do

[0:54:03] Trustee Patrick: we need a motion or

[0:54:04] Trustee Patrick: general consent adequate to add to the letter yeah

[0:54:08] Planner Stockdill: that's fine thank you very much all right

[0:54:14] Trustee Patrick: so is that it for that one so that then number five is next yeah

[0:54:25] Planner Stockdill: so this is in relation to

[0:54:26] Planner Stockdill: requiring employee accommodation on site for new developments over a certain density

[0:54:34] Planner Stockdill: So the LTC could consider, especially for those proposals with high density, a requirement to provide employee accommodation on site, rather than has it as an option for the operator.

[0:54:51] Planner Stockdill: Can

[0:54:56] Trustee McConchie: you force someone to live on the, like, you get what I'm saying? Like, if we tell the company they have to build commercial housing for, you know, employees, does that then therefore mean, like, they're required to have employees stay there? Like, it's kind of, that's the only trouble I have with this whole issue.

[0:55:19] Trustee McConchie: yeah

[0:55:21] Planner Stockdill: it's really just to you so you wouldn't be requiring somebody to stay in there but it'd be

[0:55:25] Planner Stockdill: as you know ensuring building them at least so that's one thing is is there a need is there a

[0:55:32] Planner Stockdill: need for these uh larger establishments to have on-site tourist accommodation or sorry um employee

[0:55:41] Planner Stockdill: accommodation

[0:55:41] Trustee McConchie: that's okay kim yeah no i think so i think i think i think they should um they have

[0:55:48] Trustee McConchie: at a poet's cove um

[0:55:50] Trustee McConchie: and they're dealing with that i believe on south pender so makes sense

[0:55:54] Trustee McConchie: to me that they do it's just the only problem is you can't force an employee to live there

[0:55:58] Trustee McConchie: right which would be weird if you did to

[0:56:02] Trustee Patrick: me the concept is that you know you're recognizing if

[0:56:06] Trustee Patrick: the new if they're going to expand operations then they're going to need more employees and

[0:56:13] Trustee Patrick: it just puts that it's just that ripple down effect on a problem that's already a problem

[0:56:17] Trustee Patrick: on your island and that tying it that they have to provide some units of employee housing is

[0:56:23] Trustee Patrick: beneficial um

[0:56:27] Trustee Morrison: yeah and the other thing too is employees often in like the dent the

[0:56:34] Trustee Morrison: quantity of employees in the situation might be different in the summer versus the

[0:56:39] Trustee Morrison: winter right now hopefully that will start to balance out a little bit but

[0:56:43] Trustee Morrison: But I agree, we should include some requirement

[0:56:47] Trustee Morrison: to build that into the plan.

[0:56:49] Trustee Morrison: And that as people come to us with various plans

[0:56:52] Trustee Morrison: that they have that in it.

[0:56:53] Trustee Morrison: Because seasonal employees in particular,

[0:56:55] Trustee Morrison: it's been a really big problem for different,

[0:56:58] Trustee Morrison: like poets in particular on South Pender,

[0:57:00] Trustee Morrison: like they've been taking up housing in Magic Lake

[0:57:03] Trustee Morrison: for employees on South Pender

[0:57:04] Trustee Morrison: because they didn't have housing

[0:57:07] Trustee Morrison: or people wanted to live elsewhere.

[0:57:09] Trustee Morrison: I'm not sure what combination of those things.

[0:57:12] Trustee Patrick: well they you know they developed the full extent without considering their employees

[0:57:18] Trustee Patrick: yeah

[0:57:21] Trustee McConchie: well where else on the island can you is this going to be a requirement like where else

[0:57:25] Trustee McConchie: are they building if we're reducing the zone and commercial density i don't get where the

[0:57:30] Trustee McConchie: where they'd apply this it

[0:57:33] Trustee Morrison: would be if they came back for rezoning right like this would be part

[0:57:37] Trustee Morrison: of the requirement i

[0:57:37] Trustee McConchie: see for

[0:57:39] Trustee Morrison: additional capacity well

[0:57:41] Trustee McConchie: what's the harm in adding it why did the

[0:57:43] Trustee McConchie: staff say this should be completed on a on a case-by-case basis it

[0:57:48] Planner Stockdill: was um more so the idea of

[0:57:52] Planner Stockdill: an option it was well i got confused with the word actually provision so their requirement of

[0:57:58] Planner Stockdill: at least providing one so that was a mistake on my end um so that should be actually a yes we should

[0:58:06] Planner Stockdill: consider this again this is just considering it it's for staff to report back to the ltc with

[0:58:11] Planner Stockdill: options of what it would look like. If that's one unit, if that's five unit, if that's 10.

[0:58:18] Trustee Patrick: Shouldn't there be sort of a scale based on the number of accommodations? Yeah.

[0:58:24] Voice 3: I

[0:58:25] Trustee Patrick: would hope that there's something established out there.

[0:58:29] Trustee Morrison: Yeah. And I think that's right. Like if we ended up dropping all the current density

[0:58:34] Trustee Morrison: down to what is the current density, then it would be a rezoning application, right?

[0:58:40] Trustee Morrison: to be a increase the density it's accurate and so then in the rezoning application would be on a

[0:58:46] Trustee Morrison: case-by-case basis and you'd make recommendations to us about how much housing and we could deal

[0:58:50] Trustee Morrison: with it one at a time based on that yeah no that seems reasonable no do you need something

[0:58:58] Planner Stockdill: no

[0:58:59] Trustee Patrick: no further direction so is the next one eight i

[0:59:08] Planner Stockdill: realize i'm sharing my screen

[0:59:11] Planner Stockdill: now can you all see that if this is is this helpful to have the table up

[0:59:15] Planner Stockdill: or would you like me to remove it what's easiest no it's

[0:59:20] Trustee Morrison: fine so

[0:59:20] Planner Stockdill: number eight is in regards to

[0:59:23] Planner Stockdill: um reviewing the campground regulations as mentioned this this section was drafted many

[0:59:29] Planner Stockdill: many years ago many many years ago based on the the concept of provincial campgrounds right these

[0:59:37] Planner Stockdill: larger campgrounds that have larger scales. So the LTC could consider staff reviewing

[0:59:45] Planner Stockdill: this whole section in regards to somehow providing for small scale private camping. So that could

[0:59:55] Planner Stockdill: could potentially mean reducing the campground site.

[1:00:00] Planner Stockdill: regulations so this is something that the ltc this is important that there's been quite a few

[1:00:07] Planner Stockdill: requests for um camp camping or campgrounds on north pender this is something that maybe the

[1:00:13] Planner Stockdill: ltc may want to consider would

[1:00:17] Trustee Patrick: this include i'm finding there's a proliferation of the word

[1:00:22] Voice 6: glamping

[1:00:22] Trustee Patrick: on salt spring i'm finding it means if you know you got an accessory wood shed out back

[1:00:26] Trustee Patrick: it's now considered glamping would that be something that could be captured in the same

[1:00:33] Trustee Patrick: thing to look at because it's you know absolutely

[1:00:38] Planner Stockdill: yes this is something that we can look at this

[1:00:42] Planner Stockdill: idea of glamping and providing yurts or so forth because currently the land use bylaw

[1:00:51] Planner Stockdill: um doesn't outright permit that use

[1:00:54] Trustee Patrick: yeah i'm seeing platforms i'm seeing geodetic domes

[1:00:59] Trustee Patrick: yurts there's a whole variety tree houses people are putting a whole bunch of stuff

[1:01:03] Trustee Patrick: that they're calling glamping

[1:01:07] Planner Stockdill: again if if the ltc does keep the regulations as is if somebody

[1:01:14] Planner Stockdill: comes forward with a proposal they could go through the uh process of a tup and rezoning

[1:01:19] Planner Stockdill: zoning application so then zoning can be tailored to that exact proposal yeah

[1:01:26] Trustee Morrison: I think having camping

[1:01:28] Trustee Morrison: regulations so I'm for having small-scale camping what I would like to see not in our camping

[1:01:36] Trustee Morrison: regulations is the use of generators and like so if people are coming in with like a limited

[1:01:43] Trustee Morrison: limited aspect to RVs or via camping because I just don't think that's in keeping with the

[1:01:52] Trustee Morrison: community per se like camping in tents or yurts or other things I'm like okay but like having a

[1:01:58] Trustee Morrison: bunch of big RVs coming onto the island and like running generators or stuff like that I would

[1:02:04] Trustee Morrison: really like to see that excluded from what what constitutes a campground um and I don't know if

[1:02:11] Trustee Morrison: there's a way to specifically state that but um it's not that i'm against campers or rvs if they're

[1:02:18] Trustee Morrison: electrically plugged in i just don't think that we should allow fossil fuel like generators running

[1:02:23] Trustee Morrison: if we're trying to like deal with climate change that seems not a good move so so they'd have to

[1:02:31] Trustee Morrison: have some kind of electrical hookup if they were going to have vehicles that are drawing on power

[1:02:36] Trustee Morrison: like that so no use of generators even in tent sites i would want generators being used gas

[1:02:41] Trustee Morrison: power generates.

[1:02:43] Trustee Patrick: I think this relates to your earlier comment about sort of that whole eco,

[1:02:48] Voice 6: you know, it's,

[1:02:50] Trustee Patrick: there's a positive possibility of being kind of eco-friendly if it's designed

[1:02:54] Trustee Patrick: properly.

[1:02:59] Trustee Morrison: Yeah. I know quite a few people who would love to do campgrounds and I'm like,

[1:03:03] Trustee Morrison: they seem fine to me if you're going to do them in a way that's consistent and not bugging neighbors

[1:03:09] Trustee Morrison: and like having raging parties or, you know, not having a septic system that can deal with it,

[1:03:14] Trustee Morrison: or you know like all of those things need to be considered in the design of the campground

[1:03:18] Trustee Morrison: water you know appropriate water that's not drawing on the well water i mean campgrounds

[1:03:25] Trustee Morrison: could be an amazing space for just learning about the fact that these are dry islands and what that

[1:03:30] Trustee Morrison: means do

[1:03:37] Trustee Patrick: we need further direction on this one or so

[1:03:40] Planner Stockdill: to clarify um would the ltc like to see

[1:03:45] Planner Stockdill: see potential amendments to the campground regulations to add generator regulation

[1:03:52] Planner Stockdill: or regulation around generator use i

[1:03:57] Trustee Morrison: would yeah like as in electric only well i i don't even know

[1:04:03] Trustee Morrison: that i want generators at all because they're loud like when the power goes out around here

[1:04:07] Trustee Morrison: like you hear them kick up all up and down this area and like i don't know that we wanted to have

[1:04:13] Trustee Morrison: neighbors have to deal with generators running because somebody has to watch their tv or charge

[1:04:18] Trustee Morrison: their ipad like you should hook up if that's a problem yeah

[1:04:27] Trustee McConchie: like a campground is where you take

[1:04:29] Trustee McConchie: a tent and you have a fire that's what a campground is can we define that and that's it

[1:04:37] Voice 6: like

[1:04:37] Trustee McConchie: i don't i don't know why this is so complicated we don't have to you know make it

[1:04:41] Trustee McConchie: make it so messy just ltn the north bender trust committee says that a campground is a tent and

[1:04:49] Trustee McConchie: a small piece of ground

[1:04:52] Trustee McConchie: well it's it's

[1:04:54] Trustee Patrick: important to define because like i said i it's again the

[1:04:57] Trustee Patrick: scope creep you know it's the same thing people say okay i can't run now if i put a platform and

[1:05:02] Trustee Patrick: i make it a little bit fancier and then i put this on it and uh of

[1:05:07] Trustee McConchie: course canada's campsites

[1:05:09] Trustee McConchie: are awesome you know the ones on North Pender are beautiful

[1:05:12] Voice 6: so they

[1:05:14] Trustee McConchie: got nice little wooden

[1:05:15] Trustee McConchie: little things I mean we got Shingle Bay we got Prior Park we've got

[1:05:19] Voice 6: Beaumont

[1:05:20] Trustee McConchie: Marine Park I mean

[1:05:21] Trustee McConchie: it's a camp-a-thon and I know that a lot of those tent areas they just don't get used actually so

[1:05:26] Trustee McConchie: you know keep it simple don't allow glamping otherwise I mean technically the woods is

[1:05:33] Trustee McConchie: glamping like or it's a campsite so

[1:05:36] Trustee McConchie: i i would define it just as a tent and and a flat area

[1:05:41] Trustee McConchie: maybe based on the parks canada requirements if the staff are looking for really specific

[1:05:47] Trustee McConchie: things it sounds like parks canada has their act together yeah

[1:05:51] Trustee Morrison: parks canada and some of their

[1:05:53] Trustee Morrison: spaces allow rvs and generators though so that's the one that i would want to be limited oh yeah

[1:05:57] Trustee McConchie: fair enough yeah well we need to really specify that so that's that's what i would address there

[1:06:01] Trustee McConchie: anyways yeah okay

[1:06:04] Trustee Patrick: do we need a motion on that or uh

[1:06:11] Planner Stockdill: not right now unless the ltc is done with the

[1:06:15] Planner Stockdill: discussion regarding tourist accommodation we can include the i made notes um amendments to

[1:06:22] Planner Stockdill: each item we can include that in the rec uh the recommendation or the resolution pardon me

[1:06:30] Trustee Morrison: or i'm not sure if i understood so

[1:06:32] Planner Stockdill: sorry if if we uh if the ltc is done discussing this topic

[1:06:36] Planner Stockdill: if i go back to the first page where we made the recommendation we can add that

[1:06:45] Planner Stockdill: with changes to items one five and eight okay so that would be recommendation number one on page

[1:06:53] Trustee Patrick: two as outlined on five and eight someone like to make that motion yeah

[1:07:04] Trustee Morrison: before we make that motion

[1:07:06] Trustee Morrison: i just want to make sure that there's no other questions about any of the other items like that

[1:07:10] Trustee Morrison: that we agree with staff recommendations on everything else.

[1:07:13] Trustee Morrison: Nope.

[1:07:14] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, I think there was nothing here that I was, I flagged.

[1:07:30] Trustee Morrison: You know, there was one thing that I had a question about

[1:07:33] Trustee Morrison: and I don't know where it fits in here on six

[1:07:37] Trustee Morrison: or if it's somewhere else.

[1:07:39] Trustee Morrison: So is there any requirement on our tourist commercial,

[1:07:44] Trustee Morrison: apart from what's been put in here for employee housing,

[1:07:47] Trustee Morrison: is there any requirement to have an onsite manager?

[1:07:51] Trustee Morrison: manager uh

[1:07:55] Planner Stockdill: no there's no requirement for an on-site manager or operator see

[1:08:01] Trustee Morrison: i would want that

[1:08:02] Trustee Morrison: i would want that to like we require that in the stvers like to have not on-site but like to have

[1:08:09] Trustee Morrison: an on-island and i know we'd still have an on-island manager but if you're going to have

[1:08:13] Trustee Morrison: higher density of people in an area i feel like there should be an on-site manager of some kind

[1:08:19] Trustee Morrison: i don't know thoughts that's

[1:08:24] Trustee McConchie: tough to regulate isn't it that's i mean i i understand that like

[1:08:29] Trustee McConchie: employment on pender can be random right like you could have an on

[1:08:33] Trustee McConchie: -site manager and what is

[1:08:34] Trustee McConchie: the definition of that person and then that person gets fired and who's the manager and like it's

[1:08:39] Trustee McConchie: anyways let's just try to i i get what you're saying though trustee marcy and

[1:08:46] Planner Stockdill: then from my

[1:08:46] Planner Stockdill: understanding and most of the um or most of the operators i believe have somebody who live

[1:08:53] Planner Stockdill: on site or they're um almost 24 7 so i'm not sure if there's a scenario where there isn't actually

[1:09:01] Planner Stockdill: an operator or owner living on the property

[1:09:04] Trustee Morrison: yeah is there a browning yeah

[1:09:12] Planner Stockdill: i'm not i'm not sure

[1:09:14] Planner Stockdill: that's one thing we could

[1:09:17] Planner Stockdill: look into and provide more information on if the ltc wants yeah

[1:09:21] Trustee Morrison: I think I would like more information on that.

[1:09:22] Trustee Morrison: And my rationale for that is I want to avoid like prohibited behaviors in commercial areas

[1:09:28] Trustee Morrison: because we know that somebody's watching out, like that there's somebody responsible in

[1:09:34] Trustee Morrison: the space.

[1:09:34] Trustee Morrison: And I agree that it's difficult to name it, but I also think that if people are going

[1:09:40] Trustee Morrison: to have higher density use, they have to be responsible for the higher density use, especially

[1:09:45] Trustee Morrison: because it's specifically for visitors.

[1:09:47] Trustee Morrison: so it's not going to necessarily be people who know like what's okay or not here a

[1:09:57] Trustee Patrick: lot of the

[1:09:57] Trustee Patrick: trend is it's it's self-accommodating units and they've got you know numbered door things and

[1:10:04] Trustee Patrick: people are it's all done via email and virtual but

[1:10:10] Trustee Morrison: i've seen some nothing against browning but

[1:10:14] Trustee Morrison: i've seen some high density camping going on down there that i don't necessarily know if all

[1:10:20] Trustee Morrison: all fire management and water management practices are closely followed all

[1:10:32] Trustee Patrick: right any so

[1:10:34] Trustee Patrick: then need the motion number one there uh

[1:10:47] Trustee Morrison: okay do you need a motion to include something like that

[1:10:50] Trustee Morrison: or do we do you want to just check into it for us and then we'll kind of rethink that through

[1:10:55] Trustee Morrison: i

[1:10:57] Planner Stockdill: can always report back if you if ltc is not ready to make this resolution i can report back

[1:11:02] Planner Stockdill: with the information and i can bring this recommendation back at another ltc meeting

[1:11:07] Planner Stockdill: that'd be great we

[1:11:09] Trustee McConchie: do it by the 27th because that's our next meeting i

[1:11:14] Planner Stockdill: don't know if we'd

[1:11:15] Planner Stockdill: be able to contact um the four mckinnon property owners in that time it could be pretty tight

[1:11:23] Trustee Patrick: so then we're going to hold off on this recommendation for now oh

[1:11:28] Trustee McConchie: but yeah i think

[1:11:29] Trustee McConchie: that's the wisest course of action but i think we're in agreement as a trust committee you know

[1:11:32] Trustee McConchie: having this public meeting and talking about it seems pretty it's not like i'm saying wait a

[1:11:36] Trustee McConchie: second we actually need 85 units at that property oh oh units go right like that's not the vibe

[1:11:44] Trustee McConchie: the

[1:11:44] Trustee Morrison: vibe is about

[1:11:45] Trustee McConchie: protecting the island uh and preserving it which is the mandate of the island's

[1:11:49] Trustee McConchie: trust which is our job and i think we're on the

[1:11:52] Trustee McConchie: same page here so i don't know if this is this

[1:11:54] Trustee McConchie: doesn't seem to be delaying it just seems like an appropriate process i don't

[1:11:58] Trustee Morrison: know yeah i think

[1:11:59] Trustee Morrison: I'd rather the clarity before we go ahead and sure and step forward on this one and yeah because

[1:12:06] Trustee Morrison: it's just a little bit more thoughtful all

[1:12:08] Trustee Patrick: right then so moving on then to marine shoreline

[1:12:11] Trustee Patrick: regulations what page is that sorry I don't have my package within the table just carries on page

[1:12:18] Trustee Patrick: 12 there we go okay okay

[1:12:23] Voice 6: yeah

[1:12:32] Trustee McConchie: the only one was uh making it a dpa area um number uh 15 best planning

[1:12:39] Trustee McConchie: planning tool to encourage the use of shoreline mitigation efforts would be a development permit

[1:12:43] Trustee McConchie: area currently the owner proposing shoreline mitigation could provide it could apply for a

[1:12:48] Trustee McConchie: variance structures that would be exclusively soft shore and exclude hardening and zoning

[1:12:54] Trustee McConchie: regulation i'm wondering if you can explain that in simpler terms planner stockton for the

[1:12:59] Trustee McConchie: general public that's watching yeah

[1:13:01] Planner Stockdill: it's so it's this how do we include um soft shore

[1:13:08] Planner Stockdill: regulations in the land use bylaw which is difficult so how would we allow say placement

[1:13:14] Planner Stockdill: of soft shore features which are like placements of rocks or snakes like large trees how would we

[1:13:23] Planner Stockdill: regulate that in the land use bylaw really that's something that's generally done through a

[1:13:27] Planner Stockdill: development permit area so that's where you would see that type of regulations or policies it would

[1:13:37] Planner Stockdill: It would be very difficult to do that in the land use bylaw, although that could potentially be something that we can look into to see if any other LTCs or other zoning bylaws out there permit soft shore methods in the setback from the sea.

[1:13:56] Planner Stockdill: And then again, what constitutes a rock? Could a rock be placed within the setback to the sea?

[1:14:02] Planner Stockdill: Or if you have, you know, stacking of rocks, does that then become a retaining wall?

[1:14:07] Planner Stockdill: it's it's something that's very hard to define um and generally we leave that for uh development

[1:14:13] Planner Stockdill: permit areas what

[1:14:16] Trustee McConchie: constitutes a rock that's uh well

[1:14:19] Planner Stockdill: not the rock

[1:14:22] Planner Stockdill: but the placement of the rock

[1:14:23] Planner Stockdill: and you know it's somebody starts to put large boulders along the shoreline difficult to regulate

[1:14:36] Trustee Patrick: is

[1:14:37] Planner Stockdill: what i meant to say i don't think we should add a definition of a rock to the land use

[1:14:43] Planner Stockdill: that sounds

[1:14:46] Trustee Morrison: fun um so in terms of the w3 zone just to be super clear what that means for folks

[1:14:55] Trustee Morrison: folks, can you talk about the rezoning of all non-docked areas into W3 zoning?

[1:15:05] Planner Stockdill: Yeah, so this is something very similar to what South Pender LTC, or sorry, the South Pender LTC

[1:15:12] Planner Stockdill: did with their land use bylaw. What they did was they rezoned all those areas that currently have

[1:15:21] Planner Stockdill: a dock um sorry they they all those areas that had a dock were able to retain their zoning that

[1:15:30] Planner Stockdill: permits their dock outright all other areas that did not include a dock did not have a dock

[1:15:38] Planner Stockdill: in the foreshore were rezoned to a zone that would not permit a dock and i've actually included an

[1:15:45] Planner Stockdill: example of this in the staff report let's see here so this is an example of South Pender so

[1:15:56] Planner Stockdill: the South Pender land use bylaw what it did is they zoned these areas where docks are located

[1:16:02] Planner Stockdill: to the W1 zone that permits a dock and all other areas here are zoning that does not permit a dock

[1:16:12] Planner Stockdill: this yellow area here shows actually the provincial private moorage lease

[1:16:19] Planner Stockdill: which as you can see doesn't actually line up with where the where the dock is actually located so

[1:16:27] Planner Stockdill: that's why staff recommend actually rezoning those areas that actually have are where the the dock is

[1:16:35] Planner Stockdill: existing. So if this is something that the LTC wants to do, what would happen is, if somebody

[1:16:42] Planner Stockdill: does want to build a dock, they would have to go through a rezoning process to permit that dock.

[1:16:50] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, I'm for that. For sure. Yeah. So I have a couple questions about that, though,

[1:16:55] Trustee Morrison: because I know there's a few situations right now that are a little gray in that situation. So

[1:17:01] Trustee Morrison: So what if there is an existing dock, but the existing foreshore lease is expired?

[1:17:07] Trustee Morrison: Because that's happened in a few places where just paperwork hasn't been filed.

[1:17:11] Trustee Morrison: Nobody was paying attention.

[1:17:13] Trustee Morrison: And like the lease is expired.

[1:17:15] Trustee Morrison: There is a structure there, but maybe it doesn't meet current code.

[1:17:18] Trustee Morrison: So if they reapply, they'd have to rebuild the structure to some degree or do different.

[1:17:22] Trustee Morrison: What would be the situation in that case?

[1:17:24] Trustee Morrison: yeah

[1:17:26] Planner Stockdill: so it's it's really up to the ltc if the ltc wants those docks even though it may have

[1:17:32] Planner Stockdill: an expired lease if they should be permitted by zoning uh

[1:17:36] Trustee Morrison: okay okay so i'm for this i i think

[1:17:42] Trustee Morrison: it's important and and what it does like to be super clear is it makes it that not every property

[1:17:49] Trustee Morrison: can have a dock unless you go for rezoning for the dock so it stops like the proliferation of

[1:17:55] Trustee Morrison: docks across the shore is that accurate yeah okay that's correct and

[1:18:01] Trustee Patrick: it's the it's the double

[1:18:02] Trustee Patrick: impact it's one our highest archaeological resources are along the shoreline as well as

[1:18:10] Trustee Patrick: the the near shore marine effects that are dramatic with docks

[1:18:17] Trustee Patrick: um

[1:18:18] Trustee McConchie: yeah like i have a really simpler perhaps explanation to all this technical stuff is like

[1:18:23] Trustee McConchie: Like, Thieves Bay Marina is the cheapest storage in North America.

[1:18:30] Trustee McConchie: And, like, no, you can't build a bunch of junk on the beach and shore.

[1:18:36] Trustee McConchie: It's not good for the environment, right?

[1:18:38] Trustee McConchie: So, Flannery Stockdale, do these 12 through 18, do they address these concerns that I just stipulated?

[1:18:49] Trustee Patrick: These very highly technical terms?

[1:18:51] Trustee Patrick: Yes.

[1:18:54] Planner Stockdill: yes well and and going back to um if if the ltc were to rezone most of the foreshore area to this

[1:19:03] Planner Stockdill: w3 zone um that doesn't permit docks the rezoning application really gives um the ltc an opportunity

[1:19:10] Planner Stockdill: to request from that property owner certain information um about the foreshore get you know

[1:19:16] Planner Stockdill: environmental assessment um there could be certain other things that the ltc could request from the

[1:19:22] Planner Stockdill: property owner you could ensure that the dock is constructed in a the way

[1:19:27] Planner Stockdill: that's most you know

[1:19:28] Planner Stockdill: environmentally sound as possible so the LTC does have a lot of discretion through a rezoning

[1:19:35] Planner Stockdill: application so that's certainly a positive

[1:19:38] Trustee Morrison: yeah I agree I think it's a good move

[1:19:43] Trustee Morrison: um number 12 is a slightly different thing than to your question number 12 is actually about

[1:19:51] Trustee Morrison: about uh setbacks that are not just distances from the shore but that are vertical distances

[1:19:58] Trustee Morrison: um and that's to do with the sea level uh rise issues that we are potentially well we're already

[1:20:04] Trustee Morrison: getting impacts from them in different ways during storms and and water infiltration issues and so

[1:20:10] Trustee Morrison: the setback from the sea that's the provincial guidance and i am all for that it can mean that

[1:20:17] Trustee Morrison: it'll be further than it's not very common in on pender because we're so hilly can mean that

[1:20:23] Trustee Morrison: you're more than 50 is it 50 feet or 50 meters what's the setback for it's

[1:20:30] Planner Stockdill: 15 meters 15 okay

[1:20:32] Trustee Morrison: 15 meters it can mean that you're more than 15 meters off the shore um the other thing that this

[1:20:41] Trustee Morrison: does is that uh and actually i want to prohibit derelict boat stocks in all marine water zones

[1:20:46] Trustee Morrison: zones so this is the other question I had that we've had recently an application on what about

[1:20:53] Trustee Morrison: stairs like I am unclear here in the foreshore area if this is covering stairs or if it's somewhere

[1:20:59] Trustee Morrison: else because if we're eliminating docks in the w3 zone does that mean we like suddenly don't have

[1:21:04] Trustee Morrison: to deal with stairs going down to the beach or is it still the stairs so

[1:21:09] Planner Stockdill: stairs are not permitted

[1:21:10] Planner Stockdill: in the foreshore area they're only permitted on the upland portion within the setback from the

[1:21:15] Planner Stockdill: natural boundary of the sea currently the land use

[1:21:18] Planner Stockdill: bylaw but that's something that really needs

[1:21:20] Planner Stockdill: to be revamped and relooked at that regulation is not written very well um it's something that

[1:21:28] Planner Stockdill: we need to clean up and tidy uh and the ltc may want to consider you know is do you still

[1:21:35] Planner Stockdill: want to see stairs within the natural boundary of the sea or is that something the ltc would

[1:21:42] Planner Stockdill: would um you'd like stairs to have to abide by that setback which would essentially mean that

[1:21:50] Planner Stockdill: stairs would not be permitted i

[1:21:53] Trustee Morrison: wouldn't i prefer not to have stairs that you have to have a you

[1:21:56] Trustee Morrison: have to ask for a variance if you want stairs to be um added because then we can be very site

[1:22:02] Trustee Morrison: specific we have totally like i understand issues about stairs that are already in existence and

[1:22:08] Trustee Morrison: getting replaced we just dealt with one like that but adding new stairs all over the place i would

[1:22:13] Trustee Morrison: rather not see you know stairs and and just have that expectation of people buying waterfront that

[1:22:18] Trustee Morrison: it's not a given it's not a right that you get to put stairs down to the water

[1:22:21] Trustee Morrison: i

[1:22:23] Trustee McConchie: agree with that do

[1:22:31] Trustee Patrick: you need direction for that so

[1:22:33] Planner Stockdill: yes it'd be nice to have um a resolution stating

[1:22:36] Planner Stockdill: that stairs would not be exempt from the setback from the natural boundary of the sea

[1:22:47] Trustee McConchie: yeah and then they apply for it right if you want to get your stairs you go to your

[1:22:51] Trustee McConchie: local trust committee and you say hey i want to build all these crazy stairs because

[1:22:55] Trustee McConchie: i don't know how to walk down to the nearest marine access route or whatever right yes so

[1:23:00] Planner Stockdill: it would be a be a development variance permit um so the ltc has to turn their mind to there

[1:23:07] Planner Stockdill: there could be then an increased amount of dvps in the future for those who

[1:23:11] Planner Stockdill: who want to construct the stairs within the setback we

[1:23:17] Trustee Morrison: always encourage people to talk to

[1:23:19] Trustee Morrison: us before you go and submit a bunch of permits that are going to get enough so um

[1:23:24] Trustee McConchie: it's it's

[1:23:25] Trustee McConchie: really damaging like i mean

[1:23:27] Trustee Morrison: i don't mean to speak ill

[1:23:28] Trustee McConchie: of one of my fellow trustees islands but on

[1:23:31] Trustee McConchie: main island like i've been driving in my boat lately to go teach music it's just like stairs

[1:23:35] Trustee McConchie: all the way down everywhere and it's just like what is going on here guys what anyways and every

[1:23:42] Trustee McConchie: every

[1:23:42] Trustee Morrison: time every time ben that we've had to deal with anything like that in that zone we keep being

[1:23:47] Trustee Morrison: told well if you remove these stairs it's going to be more damage than if you didn't so i'm like

[1:23:52] Trustee Morrison: okay then just never put them in you know so all right sorry shannon are you good well that's okay

[1:23:58] Voice 3: i have um a motion based on what you wanted yes please under island local trust committee give

[1:24:04] Voice 3: direction to staff that stairs would not be exempt from the setback of the natural boundary of the

[1:24:09] Voice 3: the sea is

[1:24:11] Trustee Morrison: that right kim yes

[1:24:12] Trustee Patrick: correct thank you okay yeah making that motion yes is that seconded

[1:24:17] Trustee Patrick: second trustee mcconkie any discussion call the vote all those in favor and that's carried

[1:24:26] Trustee Patrick: can we put in

[1:24:27] Trustee Morrison: a regulation for no uh uh low-flying aircraft in the marine area

[1:24:32] Trustee Morrison: sorry i

[1:24:34] Trustee McConchie: the supreme court of canada would unfortunately overrule that uh unfortunately

[1:24:39] Trustee McConchie: I

[1:24:39] Trustee Morrison: like to make a

[1:24:40] Trustee McConchie: motion that the North number two on the top of the staff report that the North

[1:24:45] Trustee McConchie: Pender Island Local Trust Committee give direction to staff to draft bylaw amendments based on

[1:24:49] Trustee McConchie: recommendations for sure, but in marine regulation options as outlined at table one attached to the

[1:24:53] Trustee McConchie: staff report dated May 12, 2021.

[1:24:57] Trustee Patrick: I second. Did we need any reference to any specific numbers? Is it

[1:25:02] Trustee Patrick: appropriate the way it is? Okay. Is there any discussion on this motion?

[1:25:07] Trustee Patrick: motion? Nope. All the vote. All those in favor? And that's carried.

[1:25:12] Trustee Morrison: Thanks for all your work on

[1:25:14] Trustee Morrison: that. That would look great.

[1:25:15] Trustee Patrick: So then our

[1:25:16] Trustee Morrison: last

[1:25:17] Planner Stockdill: is the

[1:25:18] Trustee Patrick: technical. Go ahead.

[1:25:19] Planner Stockdill: Sorry, Chair Patrick. I

[1:25:20] Planner Stockdill: just wanted to make a note to this amazing chart that was in a Gambier Island discussion paper,

[1:25:30] Planner Stockdill: actually for Keats Island. It has a list of all setback regulations related to the setback

[1:25:37] Planner Stockdill: from the natural boundary of the sea and other regulations for all other ltcs and it's attached

[1:25:44] Planner Stockdill: to the staff report so

[1:25:46] Planner Stockdill: it's a fantastic resource document and

[1:25:48] Planner Stockdill: i just wanted to to highlight that

[1:25:56] Planner Stockdill: and back to you chair thank

[1:25:57] Trustee Patrick: you sorry so the tech the minor technical amendments is that the last

[1:26:05] Trustee Patrick: last piece?

[1:26:08] Planner Stockdill: Yeah, so this has been a running list over the last few years. Whenever planners or

[1:26:14] Planner Stockdill: trustees have noted potential change, we've actually created this list and it's been growing

[1:26:21] Planner Stockdill: over the last few years. So really, I think we should highlight anything that the LTC perhaps

[1:26:30] Planner Stockdill: may not want to be included. It might be easier than dealing going through each one individually.

[1:26:35] Planner Stockdill: page

[1:26:36] Trustee Patrick: 14 on the yeah

[1:26:38] Planner Stockdill: page 14 of the agenda package so there are a number of items here

[1:26:45] Planner Stockdill: and if there's any information or clarification I'm happy to provide that yeah

[1:26:53] Trustee Morrison: so there's a number

[1:26:54] Trustee Morrison: of these that I think are really beneficial and that we've already come up against in various ways

[1:27:00] Trustee Morrison: so for example number one around landscape screening review i would really like to see

[1:27:08] Trustee Morrison: things planting between um like so we're having fencing versus planting versus whatever when we're

[1:27:18] Trustee Morrison: talking about screening and just in keeping with the rural atmosphere of these islands i would

[1:27:26] Trustee Morrison: rather not see a bunch of giant fences that could we can't control the form and function of them and

[1:27:30] Trustee Morrison: we've seen some really atrocious looking fences though there are some lovely ones too um but

[1:27:37] Trustee Morrison: i i think the one of the ways to get through that is to have like planting being one of the ways

[1:27:44] Trustee Morrison: to say that screening has to be then it's natural vegetative screening and maybe that's another way

[1:27:50] Trustee Morrison: to think about it can

[1:27:59] Trustee McConchie: you just like the one thing i've always found this part of the um land use

[1:28:02] Trustee McConchie: spoiler review really confusing not like i i know just mainly because it it addresses like so many

[1:28:08] Trustee McConchie: issues um and that was one of the comments from the aapc um you're so just so i'm clear

[1:28:17] Trustee McConchie: the these these policies right that we've we've reviewed um you're kind of they're kind of lists

[1:28:26] Trustee McConchie: from planners that are like man this should have been dealt with years ago kind of thing this is

[1:28:29] Trustee McConchie: is like a cleanup clean up the list and make it um uh what's the word i'm looking for um

[1:28:37] Trustee McConchie: have continuity between the islands with regards to wording and the way that we deal with something

[1:28:44] Trustee McConchie: like it's like a cleanup of yes is

[1:28:46] Trustee McConchie: that how i'm kind of

[1:28:47] Voice 6: that's exactly it yeah

[1:28:49] Trustee McConchie: okay so if we're

[1:28:50] Trustee McConchie: doing a cleanup is there anything planned or stocked like i'm looking through this all this

[1:28:54] Trustee McConchie: makes sense like mandatory rainwater catchment systems uh you know review zoning to regulations

[1:29:01] Trustee McConchie: to permit renewable energy devices like e and f like that's awesome are there any things issues

[1:29:06] Trustee McConchie: on this minor technical thing that you're like whoa that's a red that's a that might be a point

[1:29:10] Trustee McConchie: of convention uh in the community because i'm i'm maybe i'm out of touch but uh i'm not seeing any

[1:29:16] Trustee McConchie: no

[1:29:18] Planner Stockdill: they're there and that's why they're called minor and technical amendments they're you know

[1:29:22] Planner Stockdill: are relatively minor and technical although there could be a few that for some may be more

[1:29:29] Planner Stockdill: of a concern for or a positive for and one of those things is shipping containers as we know

[1:29:35] Planner Stockdill: we have a rezoning application that deals with the shipping containers that's perhaps one that

[1:29:40] Planner Stockdill: the LTC may want to provide some type of direction on but generally the nature of these are very

[1:29:46] Planner Stockdill: very minor, hence the name, the minor, minored in technical amendments. So that's one thing that we

[1:29:53] Planner Stockdill: may want to talk about now is, is the LTC, what would the LTC would like to see for

[1:30:00] Planner Stockdill: or regulations around shipping containers, if any,

[1:30:03] Planner Stockdill: because the land use bylaw right now

[1:30:05] Planner Stockdill: is silent on shipping containers.

[1:30:09] Planner Stockdill: And

[1:30:09] Trustee McConchie: so they-

[1:30:09] Trustee McConchie: Yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead.

[1:30:11] Trustee McConchie: So

[1:30:12] Planner Stockdill: they could be defined as a structure.

[1:30:16] Planner Stockdill: So they could be placed on a property,

[1:30:19] Planner Stockdill: for example, rural residential property.

[1:30:21] Planner Stockdill: If there's a dwelling unit there,

[1:30:24] Planner Stockdill: the property owner could potentially

[1:30:26] Planner Stockdill: place shipping containers on the lot

[1:30:28] Planner Stockdill: as they could be considered an accessory structure yeah

[1:30:35] Trustee McConchie: i i'm in favor of limiting the amount of

[1:30:37] Trustee McConchie: shipping containers on a property their their use seems to be okay also there needs to be screening

[1:30:43] Trustee McConchie: for them um and so i what i the concern i would have though is like i don't even know if magic

[1:30:50] Trustee McConchie: lake should have any in there because it that could get it's a very highly dense uh area but

[1:30:58] Trustee McConchie: But that would be the only point of contention.

[1:30:59] Trustee McConchie: So I'd limit it to like two shipping containers per 10 acre lot or something along those lines.

[1:31:06] Trustee McConchie: But I certainly plan or start to want to indicate to staff that, yes, we need to put a regulation and limit and bylaw on that, the use of those structures as they're growing like weeds throughout the island.

[1:31:18] Trustee Morrison: I agree, too, that they should have screening and that that screening should be vegetative screening, preferably around them.

[1:31:25] Trustee Morrison: um because you know if we allow fencing we've had a couple situate well one that i can think

[1:31:30] Trustee Morrison: of off the top of my head where we've had um fencing that's been put up around something

[1:31:37] Trustee Morrison: but the fencing is coordinated steel fencing so like that doesn't help if you put steel fencing

[1:31:43] Trustee Morrison: around a shipping container so something that's more reflective of the community either like

[1:31:48] Trustee Morrison: like you know screen screen from the road like yeah either well the other thing around shipping

[1:31:55] Trustee Morrison: containers that they're a little bit complicated about because you can have shipping containers

[1:32:00] Trustee Morrison: where they're actually built into the land a little bit more like they're actually placed in

[1:32:04] Trustee Morrison: the land so the land screening them too like that seems reasonable too you know vegetative or like

[1:32:12] Trustee Morrison: like you know physical and screening basically i just i don't think it's cool to drive down the

[1:32:21] Trustee Morrison: road and see shipping containers i think it's the basic point i'm going to be do a bin well we i

[1:32:28] Trustee McConchie: don't think we can like let create a bylaw that says no ugly stuff like

[1:32:32] Trustee Morrison: yeah i

[1:32:34] Trustee McConchie: mean aesthetically

[1:32:34] Trustee McConchie: i it's not it's not an argument about it's not an argument you can logically argue um just limiting

[1:32:40] Trustee McConchie: the amount of them and and providing screening vegetative or not we can discuss later but that

[1:32:48] Trustee McConchie: should be a really should be a top priority for our committee to to address um

[1:32:57] Trustee Morrison: yeah go ahead

[1:32:58] Planner Stockdill: another item the ltc may want to consider is this idea of allowing on those properties on

[1:33:06] Planner Stockdill: on rural residential rural rc1 and rc2 is the ability to place an accessory structure or

[1:33:13] Planner Stockdill: building on the property before the the construction of a dwelling unit and other

[1:33:20] Planner Stockdill: land use bylaws allow this because there are those who want to put you know build a shed to put their

[1:33:29] Planner Stockdill: tools or such on the property before actually building a dwelling unit and so the

[1:33:36] Planner Stockdill: ltc may want

[1:33:37] Planner Stockdill: to consider allowing say just one accessory structure not over x amount floor area before the

[1:33:44] Planner Stockdill: the primary use but

[1:33:48] Trustee Morrison: right now we have it so the primary use has to be permitted

[1:33:51] Trustee Morrison: and you're allowed to have those buildings on but the primary use has to be reversed yes there is

[1:33:57] Planner Stockdill: is also a stipulation that um you're permitted an accessory building before the dwelling unit

[1:34:02] Planner Stockdill: but um it's for um to use it as a temporary dwelling unit yeah yeah yeah

[1:34:13] Trustee McConchie: i i think that

[1:34:14] Trustee McConchie: you should be able to have an accessory shed to build your house i don't see what the issue is

[1:34:20] Trustee McConchie: what's the concern yeah

[1:34:22] Trustee Morrison: the issue is having an accessory shed but no permit initiated to build

[1:34:26] Trustee Morrison: your house so the accessory shed lives on your property for 20 years with no house oh

[1:34:30] Trustee McConchie: that's the

[1:34:31] Trustee Morrison: issue yeah oh

[1:34:32] Trustee McConchie: i got you yeah yeah yeah i

[1:34:35] Trustee McConchie: didn't think about that i would never yeah um so an

[1:34:40] Trustee Morrison: accessory building that you're living in is is like we did that here like we built the accessory

[1:34:48] Trustee Morrison: building lived in it it was an accessory building built to code at the time and then like it ended

[1:34:53] Trustee Morrison: ended up getting corporate when we built the house so you know like that's a different situation

[1:35:00] Trustee Morrison: because that building wasn't considered an accessory building at the time it was a separate

[1:35:03] Trustee Morrison: building it was actually a code building like for living in so

[1:35:08] Trustee McConchie: then why would we change it if it's

[1:35:10] Trustee McConchie: uh people can just keep an accessory building for 20 years like what is the what is the argument

[1:35:16] Trustee McConchie: what's

[1:35:17] Trustee Morrison: the drawback on having an accessory building with no actual residents yeah

[1:35:20] Trustee McConchie: uh having

[1:35:22] Trustee Morrison: a shipping container on a property with no actual residents right

[1:35:26] Trustee McConchie: in

[1:35:27] Trustee Morrison: magic lake right

[1:35:28] Trustee McConchie: i mean i think

[1:35:29] Trustee McConchie: it's important to follow the building code that's my instinct without without quite totally

[1:35:35] Trustee McConchie: understanding this 100 uh building code's important it also helps manage our our islands

[1:35:42] Trustee McConchie: i mean yeah there's definitely some restrictions that are happening right now

[1:35:47] Trustee McConchie: in a subsidized housing situation that that could be relaxed but this this one I certainly don't

[1:35:53] Trustee McConchie: want to encourage accessory buildings to be like you're like the scenario you're suggesting so

[1:35:58] Trustee McConchie: so the

[1:36:00] Trustee Morrison: only the only exception that I can think about that I think the AAPC had talked about was

[1:36:06] Trustee Morrison: if you have a piece of property that's you want to farming that's rural residential and you want

[1:36:14] Trustee Morrison: to use it for farming but you want to build a shed on it for farming you don't intend to ever

[1:36:18] Trustee Morrison: use it as a residential property you're you own two pieces of property one next to the other your

[1:36:23] Trustee Morrison: residence is on one you put your shed on and your pigs or whatever and so in that situation you don't

[1:36:31] Trustee Morrison: have that you're not supposed to have that shed on there is my understanding if you don't have it

[1:36:37] Trustee Morrison: a building so Kim in that situation I agree that that situation should be allowed but I don't

[1:36:43] Trustee Morrison: necessarily want to open the door for like a bunch of other potentially things we don't want to see

[1:36:48] Trustee Morrison: so is there a way to specify like that kind of thing like for agricultural uses or like that

[1:36:54] Trustee Morrison: kind of stuff that we consider or built on land potentially

[1:36:58] Planner Stockdill: you could say you know you would

[1:37:01] Planner Stockdill: permit one um well really what you could do is say you could permit one accessory structure not over

[1:37:11] Planner Stockdill: over x square feet so 10 square meters which is

[1:37:15] Planner Stockdill: in line with the with the building permit

[1:37:19] Planner Stockdill: bc building code too because anything over i believe it's 10 square meters requires a building

[1:37:24] Planner Stockdill: permit

[1:37:26] Voice 6: it's small

[1:37:28] Planner Stockdill: but when yeah the issue is and how do you start regulating well that's actually

[1:37:34] Planner Stockdill: a shed for agricultural purses versus whatever um that could start to be difficult so that's okay

[1:37:43] Trustee Morrison: like if it's if it's small i think that's okay and then they just have to ask for a variance or

[1:37:47] Trustee Morrison: some other kind of can we give a variance for that kind of thing yes yeah okay then it would

[1:37:53] Trustee Morrison: just have to be a variance if they wanted a bigger thing so okay so i think that's okay

[1:38:01] Trustee Morrison: all right um other things in here yeah go ahead ben oh

[1:38:08] Trustee McConchie: no i was just gonna say those are the main

[1:38:10] Trustee McConchie: points of concern i after reading over this document several times like like even before

[1:38:15] Trustee McConchie: when you first came out with it i would it made now i understand it's just a cleanup list just i

[1:38:21] Trustee McConchie: i'm happy to proceed and make the motion

[1:38:23] Trustee McConchie: i have

[1:38:24] Trustee Morrison: a couple other questions oh

[1:38:26] Trustee McConchie: do you go there go ahead

[1:38:27] Trustee McConchie: then trustee morrison yeah yeah

[1:38:29] Trustee Morrison: so um the non-potable water number f mandatory rain

[1:38:35] Trustee Morrison: rainwater catchment systems. So I like that idea. Would that be in all zones? Is that what you're

[1:38:46] Trustee Morrison: thinking in all zones or in all residential zones? All zones? I don't know. Most likely

[1:38:53] Planner Stockdill: residential zones.

[1:38:55] Trustee Morrison: Okay. But

[1:38:56] Planner Stockdill: if the LTC wants it in all zones, that's something that we can

[1:39:00] Planner Stockdill: look at as well yeah

[1:39:03] Trustee Morrison: i kind of wouldn't mind having that in all zones because it's it's about

[1:39:08] Trustee Morrison: yeah i guess the question is it's non-potable water so the the reason to have it in all zones

[1:39:15] Trustee Morrison: is it potentially can help with our fire forage for the summer and so like it basically could

[1:39:22] Trustee Morrison: create a wide selection of cisterns across the island that could be tapped for water if we need

[1:39:28] Trustee Morrison: it for fighting fires so i kind of think we should acquire it on an all-new building and you're

[1:39:35] Trustee Patrick: i was gonna say your commercial zones are the ones that typically have the most landscaping

[1:39:39] Trustee Patrick: that they're going to count on so yeah

[1:39:40] Trustee Morrison: so i think i would want it in all zones and i think i would

[1:39:44] Trustee Morrison: also want it like as part of the regulation that it would have to have a proper connect pipe for

[1:39:48] Trustee Morrison: firefighters like for you know for connecting into pump trucks they did some of that on a door on

[1:39:58] Trustee Morrison: what is it the Corsi island they had a series of cisterns around the island to be able to do that

[1:40:04] Trustee Morrison: they set it up as a community but I think if we built it into the land use regulations it would

[1:40:08] Trustee Morrison: potentially act as that so

[1:40:13] Planner Stockdill: for clarity is this for all new buildings or is this just for all

[1:40:20] Planner Stockdill: new dwelling units and cottages I

[1:40:24] Trustee Morrison: think it's all new buildings so it covers commercial buildings

[1:40:28] Trustee Morrison: like the new supermarket that I'm going to build next door or whatever it is. I think that's also

[1:40:34] Trustee Morrison: should because it can burn so it should have water to protect it. We're going to get into

[1:40:43] Trustee Morrison: some serious problems if we don't start to have some stored water in certain areas where there's

[1:40:48] Trustee Morrison: questionable

[1:40:48] Trustee McConchie: compatibility. Yeah are we getting into Planner Chadwick's work here now? Like

[1:40:54] Trustee McConchie: she's working on with Shulba on proposals and changes as a result of Shulba's groundwater work

[1:41:00] Trustee McConchie: and um yeah i just like are

[1:41:05] Trustee Morrison: we jumping the gun

[1:41:06] Trustee McConchie: on this no

[1:41:08] Trustee Morrison: i don't think so because that's really

[1:41:09] Trustee Morrison: about groundwater zoning for different densities and different things like that this is really

[1:41:13] Trustee Morrison: just about like climate resilience like based on fire management which yeah i think there is a

[1:41:21] Trustee Morrison: connection point though like there's a connection point where shilpa identifies areas that are

[1:41:26] Trustee Morrison: are really dry like in the summer that you're actually not allowed to drill a well like you

[1:41:31] Trustee Morrison: have to do catchment water but that's not non-potable water that's potable water has to

[1:41:36] Trustee McConchie: be

[1:41:37] Trustee Morrison: done that way so this is non-potable water this is just about being able to store water

[1:41:42] Trustee Morrison: for like fire resilience and it'll take years for this to actually be a functional system

[1:41:52] Trustee Morrison: because it's you know unless people who already have builds start to add those to their builds

[1:41:58] Trustee Morrison: which I would encourage people to do but um you know this is about any new development that it

[1:42:03] Trustee Morrison: gets added as an automatic issue okay I think that's the oh the yeah I think that's everything

[1:42:20] Trustee Morrison: else that I was yeah I think that's everything else that I was concerned about do

[1:42:36] Trustee Patrick: you need any

[1:42:37] Trustee Patrick: further direction then other than the motion uh

[1:42:43] Planner Stockdill: no i've made the notes and um the motion

[1:42:48] Planner Stockdill: would be great we don't need the added comments i've got those noted awesome

[1:42:53] Trustee McConchie: thanks so i'd like

[1:42:54] Trustee McConchie: to make a motion if it's okay trustee morrison yeah yeah you're ready to roll uh that the north

[1:42:59] Trustee McConchie: vendor island local trust committee give direction to staff to draft bylaw amendments based on

[1:43:03] Trustee McConchie: recommendations in the minor and technical amendment options as outlined table two table two

[1:43:08] Trustee McConchie: i

[1:43:09] Trustee Morrison: was gonna err on that

[1:43:11] Trustee McConchie: excuse me table two thank you table two attached to the staff report date of

[1:43:14] Trustee McConchie: may 12th is

[1:43:15] Trustee Patrick: there a second yeah i'm trusting morrison any discussion call the vote all those

[1:43:22] Trustee Patrick: those in favor that's carried are there any

[1:43:28] Trustee McConchie: other yeah you

[1:43:33] Trustee Patrick: broke up a little bit there

[1:43:35] Trustee Patrick: oh

[1:43:36] Trustee McConchie: sorry i was just saying those are good um points of discussion there that i i didn't catch

[1:43:40] Trustee McConchie: on my first read so thank you

[1:43:42] Trustee Patrick: all right is there anything else you need from us those

[1:43:48] Planner Stockdill: were the three

[1:43:49] Planner Stockdill: main uh topics today so just to report um staff have had or this the agricultural apc met on

[1:44:02] Planner Stockdill: monday and uh they meet again this friday so we're continuing those discussions

[1:44:08] Planner Stockdill: and there may be a few more meetings after that uh so in the next uh hopefully

[1:44:15] Planner Stockdill: well I'm aiming for the June meeting is to have a draft bylaw or a good chunk of the draft bylaw

[1:44:24] Planner Stockdill: started so the LTC can start looking at what it's what it's molding into.

[1:44:31] Trustee Patrick: Okay that's great

[1:44:33] Trustee Patrick: All right, well, we have the bylaw enforcement topic.

[1:44:44] Planner Stockdill: Yeah, so we, the LTC, I'll stop sharing.

[1:44:49] Planner Stockdill: We received a request, not by the applicant or property owner,

[1:44:56] Planner Stockdill: but a request that the LTC, let's see here,

[1:45:04] Planner Stockdill: so I'm just going to pull it up, not initiate any bylaw enforcement.

[1:45:10] Planner Stockdill: while the application is in process this is an application for gravel storage for the CRD

[1:45:17] Planner Stockdill: Magic Lake sewer replacement project this application is going to be on the

[1:45:25] Planner Stockdill: May 27th LTC meeting so in two weeks the LTC is going to review the application

[1:45:30] Planner Stockdill: but there is a standing resolution that the North Pendery LTC has I'm just going to actually bring

[1:45:39] Planner Stockdill: that up quickly. So this states that where an application is received and a use is continuing

[1:45:54] Planner Stockdill: in contravention of a land use by-law staff are directed to request the applicant cease the use

[1:46:00] Planner Stockdill: prior to processing the application and staff are directed to continue with enforcement until

[1:46:06] Planner Stockdill: the use is ceased. Well in this situation we've received an application and there actually has

[1:46:11] Planner Stockdill: been no by-law enforcement filed nor has there been a complaint. So the LTC actually doesn't

[1:46:17] Planner Stockdill: need to um do anything further other than reviewing the application in two weeks time

[1:46:25] Trustee Morrison: yeah i'd like to name a couple things on this particular situation because i spent a good

[1:46:32] Trustee Morrison: portion of one of my sundays on the phone related to this issue so maybe if we can just discuss it

[1:46:38] Trustee Morrison: for a sec kim and then i know that there's no bylaw infraction well there's no bylaw enforcement

[1:46:44] Trustee Morrison: enforcement on it right now but there's an issue here so and I think there's an action that we can

[1:46:50] Trustee Morrison: take here so um you know the basic picture is that there was an application that was submitted

[1:47:00] Trustee Morrison: um I don't know a couple weeks ago for our last meeting but it didn't get onto the actual review

[1:47:06] Trustee Morrison: process and applications because it hadn't been prioritized and I guess we we don't have a

[1:47:12] Trustee Morrison: a standing resolution or a way for staff to prioritize applications right now. So we should

[1:47:17] Trustee Morrison: think about that too. Um, but it's an application that is related to, from what I understand from

[1:47:25] Trustee Morrison: to conversations that, um, have been going on for some months between staff and CRD. Um, and I don't

[1:47:34] Trustee Morrison: know who exactly in the staff, but I've been told by the project manager at the CRD that there's

[1:47:40] Trustee Morrison: There's been months of conversations about what was required for permits and everything else so that the CRD manager was really clear on what was required.

[1:47:49] Trustee Morrison: He put that in the contract that he put out for tender, and then that contract went out for tender.

[1:47:55] Trustee Morrison: It was given to a particular, you know, successful applicant.

[1:48:00] Trustee Morrison: And when that applicant got the, which relatively recently in this timeline, when that applicant got that tender, they made arrangements with a local person to submit the application, and they went ahead and did that.

[1:48:13] Trustee Morrison: The timeline the CRD gave the applicant to get the permit processed is totally unreasonable, given our internal processes, and basically forced this issue into this situation.

[1:48:27] Trustee Morrison: so it's complete and I made myself crystal clear to the project manager that that was unacceptable

[1:48:36] Trustee Morrison: and that it landed on his shoulders he did not agree fully with me on that one and um I we left

[1:48:44] Trustee Morrison: it at that I think we saw each other's opinion on that one but um so and you know I basically told

[1:48:51] Trustee Morrison: him point blank that he basically puts us in a situation where or and puts a contractor in the

[1:48:57] Trustee Morrison: middle of this situation where you know they did all the things they were told to do but they

[1:49:04] Trustee Morrison: couldn't get it done in the timeline because it was unreasonable to be done in that timeline and

[1:49:10] Trustee Morrison: that the crd should own the permits on those things and be like hold that so um yeah so i and

[1:49:16] Trustee Morrison: i also told them just to be clear that that was in my opinion unacceptable that local trustees were

[1:49:24] Trustee Morrison: were not brought into those conversations months ago, because I didn't know that they needed a

[1:49:32] Trustee Morrison: permit in a different place that far back, right? I have had conversations about that permit,

[1:49:38] Trustee Morrison: like, you know, just before it was submitted. So I knew it was coming. But I was very surprised

[1:49:44] Trustee Morrison: to find out the gravel was coming the next day that I talked to the project manager. So anyway,

[1:49:50] Trustee Morrison: anyway that's that's my understanding of the story and I was deeply frustrated and there's

[1:49:57] Trustee Morrison: the like person they can take the gravel all the way up the island and put it on a currently zoned

[1:50:02] Trustee Morrison: property on um who's that Jim Allen's property I think is the only one that might be zoned maybe

[1:50:07] Trustee Morrison: there's two other another property like that so they could have done that but is that the best

[1:50:12] Trustee Morrison: decision for our island to have it's going to be in total about a thousand truckloads one direction

[1:50:18] Trustee Morrison: and then a thousand trip loads back to be going right past the center in the community center

[1:50:23] Trustee Morrison: all summer so there we are here we are anything else anybody wants to say i would like to write

[1:50:30] Trustee Morrison: a letter telling how deeply frustrated and annoyed i am to dave howe and to the project manager and

[1:50:37] Trustee Morrison: to times colonists personally but like anyway that's where i'm standing on that well i think

[1:50:45] Trustee Patrick: i think you both should be you raise this issue early and proactively um that you know in an

[1:50:52] Trustee Patrick: attempt to avoid what's happened

[1:50:55] Trustee McConchie: yeah i trustee morrison i i you respect your restraint in your

[1:51:02] Trustee McConchie: comments there um it's like the soviet union politics here like this is like this is an

[1:51:09] Trustee McConchie: embarrassment and it's also insulting to islanders

[1:51:13] Voice 6: and

[1:51:14] Trustee McConchie: it also shows a flaw in our system like our

[1:51:17] Trustee McConchie: system is broken you know like we gotta we gotta understand this i tried to explain this to to

[1:51:23] Trustee McConchie: robert so we can't say we okay so what happened they went ahead and they put gravel on rural

[1:51:32] Trustee McConchie: residential land without a permit that's what happened

[1:51:34] Voice 6: what

[1:51:36] Trustee McConchie: would happen to somebody on pender

[1:51:37] Trustee McConchie: If they start doing that, well, then they come back and they say, well, it's for the greater good. It's for the sewer system. So, you know, just walk this one off. That's the kind of correspondence I've been getting from people. Oh, are you an impediment now? Right?

[1:51:51] Trustee McConchie: Right. But the system is broken for the following reasons.

[1:51:54] Trustee McConchie: It's that trustees cannot make a bylaw enforcement complaint about an application in which they might make a decision or ruling on.

[1:52:03] Trustee McConchie: And it's relying upon people to complain. Right.

[1:52:07] Trustee McConchie: When it's really obvious what happened, like it's it's really embarrassing.

[1:52:13] Trustee McConchie: I feel embarrassed for the for the island's trust and its inability to do anything.

[1:52:17] Trustee McConchie: thing and i'm embarrassed for the crd as i'm learning through my work on the parks commission

[1:52:22] Trustee McConchie: it's it's actually a complete and total um i don't know how do i be as diplomatic as possible

[1:52:31] Trustee McConchie: but it is very it is very disorganized and i thought when you walk into those corporate offices

[1:52:37] Trustee McConchie: and everything is dotted and checked and like it's nice and stuff like that and it's like the

[1:52:42] Trustee McConchie: the more i'm learning it's more it's just a it's just a made-up mess right and this example of this

[1:52:49] Trustee McConchie: gravel is you know it needs to be brought up of at trust council

[1:52:53] Voice 6: to

[1:52:54] Trustee McConchie: improve our system you know

[1:52:57] Trustee McConchie: the executive committee needs to address this chair patrick like there's something wrong that

[1:53:02] Trustee McConchie: this can just happen because really really what it comes down to is people like who have been

[1:53:06] Trustee McConchie: applicants who have applied to try and just store gravel somewhere they go what the heck is going on

[1:53:11] Trustee McConchie: on here how come how come the crd just gets to put gravel wherever they want and my last point

[1:53:16] Trustee McConchie: about this was i talked to the crd director back in october i said let me know if there's a place

[1:53:23] Trustee McConchie: you need to find because it's

[1:53:25] Trustee McConchie: us we're sure as heck having a hard time finding a location for

[1:53:28] Trustee McConchie: gravel right and he cc'd the staff and the staff did nothing because he was looking at um

[1:53:34] Trustee McConchie: um place that uh there's like a place that's been nuclearized i think it's owned by uh an islander

[1:53:41] Trustee McConchie: and it was right at the entrance of magic lake i'm like that's not

[1:53:44] Trustee McConchie: happening right no we're we're

[1:53:47] Trustee McConchie: having trouble dealing with our own industrial land so anyways this is this could turn into a

[1:53:51] Trustee McConchie: venting session but maybe an action item um would be to address the concern that that the relationship

[1:53:59] Trustee McConchie: between the crd staff and the islands trust staff could be greatly improved um by creating

[1:54:06] Trustee McConchie: a appropriate process uh when these types of capital infrastructure projects come up so this

[1:54:11] Trustee McConchie: type of mess doesn't happen again is you know and also we probably shouldn't be ruling on this

[1:54:16] Trustee McConchie: anyways and debating it because we're going to debate the application i'm

[1:54:19] Trustee Patrick: i will raise this to

[1:54:23] Trustee Patrick: executive because you're right there's probably protocol agreements and other things that should

[1:54:26] Trustee Patrick: should be looked at and

[1:54:27] Trustee Patrick: to see why why it's happening so I'm happy to

[1:54:30] Trustee Patrick: raise it to the

[1:54:30] Trustee Patrick: executive yeah

[1:54:32] Trustee Morrison: that's that would be an acceptable I I think I'm pretty clear here with you know

[1:54:38] Trustee Morrison: internally with the project manager and everything else so it's pretty extensive Laura because it's

[1:54:44] Trustee Morrison: also about the barge like the barge that came in um and that is a you know that is a boat ramp

[1:54:50] Trustee Morrison: but it's the big barge like you know there I got a several emails about the barge coming in there

[1:54:57] Trustee Morrison: and like the timing of it or the awareness and the road holy smokes like the road needs to be fixed

[1:55:05] Trustee Morrison: and so at the boat launch like and there has to be some accountability for the CRD to fix that

[1:55:13] Trustee Morrison: in a timely manner because they've they've damaged that you know pulling in that much gravel at that

[1:55:19] Trustee Morrison: point so but then like

[1:55:23] Trustee Morrison: the alternatives you know sorry ben the just the last

[1:55:27] Trustee Morrison: thing on that was that

[1:55:28] Trustee Morrison: you know in talking to the project manager they were like well we let it we let it so this is

[1:55:34] Trustee Morrison: where i like literally lost my blood pressure so i the they said that they they let the contractor

[1:55:41] Trustee Morrison: pick the method by which the gravel comes onto the island and i was like i don't believe that

[1:55:47] Trustee Morrison: that's a choice for the contractor. That's a community-based decision, like that we understand

[1:55:52] Trustee Morrison: why it would be coming on through the boat ramp or that we understand that it's going to clog up

[1:55:56] Trustee Morrison: the ferry. Like we need to understand those options and weigh in on them as a community.

[1:56:02] Trustee Morrison: That's a big impact on the community potentially and on the environment. And we should have had

[1:56:07] Trustee Morrison: the choice to weigh in on that and dictate what it was as a community. And so that's what part

[1:56:12] Trustee Morrison: part of the broken issue is to me you know and i'm not commenting on the contractor themselves

[1:56:16] Trustee Morrison: i'm commenting on the process with the crd right

[1:56:19] Trustee McConchie: now yeah for sure that's a good point that i mean

[1:56:21] Trustee McConchie: the lesson i'm kind of taking from this is like as politicians you know in our position what one

[1:56:27] Trustee McConchie: we have to think 40 years from now because the sewer system in magic lake was not thought that

[1:56:33] Voice 6: way

[1:56:33] Trustee McConchie: there was no foresight or planning and so now i mean it's kind of catching up and because

[1:56:39] Trustee McConchie: because I'm unfortunately not addressing needs

[1:56:42] Trustee McConchie: and thinking about what could happen to the island.

[1:56:45] Trustee McConchie: So maybe the lesson from this

[1:56:47] Trustee McConchie: is improved communication with the CRD.

[1:56:49] Trustee McConchie: And it sounds to me like Chair Patrick, you're into that.

[1:56:52] Trustee McConchie: And then we'll debate the application at the next meeting,

[1:56:57] Trustee McConchie: but I share your frustrations, Trustee Martin.

[1:57:01] Trustee McConchie: Every time I drive past it.

[1:57:05] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[1:57:06] Trustee Patrick: Well then, is there any other business today?

[1:57:10] Trustee Patrick: day

[1:57:11] Trustee McConchie: i don't think so that's a lot right there that's a lot

[1:57:13] Trustee McConchie: all right

[1:57:14] Trustee Patrick: is there a motion to

[1:57:16] Trustee Patrick: adjourn i'd

[1:57:17] Trustee McConchie: like to make a motion to adjourn is

[1:57:19] Trustee Patrick: there a second second by trustee morrison

[1:57:21] Trustee Patrick: any discussion call the vote all those in favor thank you to dinner

[1:57:27] Trustee Patrick: staff for hanging out here

[1:57:29] Trustee Patrick: till six o'clock at night here on uh whatever day of the week it is wednesday and uh have a

[1:57:36] Trustee Patrick: a great evening. Thanks, guys.

[1:57:39] Trustee McConchie: Thanks so much for helping arrange this. Appreciate the work,

[1:57:41] Trustee McConchie: guys. Take care. All right.

[1:57:42] Trustee Patrick: We'll see you. Bye. Bye.

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North Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Special Meeting 
 
Date: 
Location: 
May 12, 2021 
Electronic Meeting (Zoom Webinar) 
 
Members Present: Laura Patrick, Chair 
Benjamin McConchie, Local Trustee 
 
Deb Morrison, Local Trustee 
  
 
Staff Present: 
 
Kim Stockdill, Island Planner 
Shannon Brayford, Recorder  
Maple Hung, Planning Assistant (Host) 
 
 
Public: 
 
There were four (4) attendees the webinar. 
  
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Patrick called the meeting to order at 4:00 p.m.  She acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in traditional territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
It was recommended that NP-TUP- 2021.6 Bylaw Enforcement be added to the agenda as item 
3.2.  
By general consent the agenda was approved as amended.  
3.   BUSINESS ITEM 
3.1   Land Use Bylaw Review – Staff Report 
Planner Stockdill provided an overview of the staff report, including the staff 
recommendations and key options listed within the tables.  
A discussion of the recommendations for Tourist Commercial Regulation options was 
held. The LTC requested and received information from staff on the rationale for each of 
the options provided.  
The following topics were discussed:  
 The importance of considering the impact on groundwater.  
Ad o p t e d 
   
 
 

 
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 The challenge of selecting an appropriate number of tourism units.  
 Opportunities to consult with property owners.  
 Benefits of rezoning certain C2 zoned properties to Rural Residential in order to 
limit permitted uses like laundromats.  
NP-2021-050 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee give direction to staff to 
write a letter to the property owners of C2B, C2C, C2D, C2E advising them of the 
Local Trust Committee’s intent to either reduce the number of tourism units or 
rezone to Rural Residential. 
CARRIED 
A discussion of amending the zoning on the properties beyond C2B through C2E was 
held. The option of amending the density from the allowable number of tourist units as 
permitted by the C2 zone to that which is being currently established on the property 
was discussed. 
NP-2021-051 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee give direction to staff to 
have the remaining Commercial Tourism zoned properties remain at the current 
number of units as established on the property.  
CARRIED 
 
A discussion was held regarding removing certain permitted used from some locations.  
By general consent, the LTC requested that staff include the removal of 
additional uses in the letter to the property owners of C2B, C2C, C2D, and C2E.  
A discussion of the recommendations regarding employee accommodations was held. 
The LTC considered the recommendation of dealing with each property on a case-by-
case basis and there was general consensus in support of the recommendation.  
A discussion of the recommendations regarding commercial campgrounds was held. The 
LTC discussed the challenges and benefits of allowing private campgrounds on the 
island. The LTC also discussed regulations that would be required for protecting ground 
water and the rural nature of the island.  
By general consent, the LTC requested that staff propose amendments to the 
campground regulations that would limit or prohibit generator use.   
A discussion was held regarding consideration of a requirement that commercial 
tourism properties have on-site management at all times. Planner Stockdill agreed to 
report back with more information at a future meeting.  
 

 
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A discussion was held regarding Marine Shoreline Regulations and the 
recommendations within the staff report. The following topics were addressed:  
 The option to create a Development Permit Area to establish soft shore 
guidelines.  
 The use of the W3 zone for all properties that do not currently have a dock.  
 Limiting installation of stairs for access to the waterfront.  
 
NP-2021-052 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee give direction to staff that 
stairs would not be exempt from the setback of the natural boundary of the sea. 
CARRIED 
NP-2021-053 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee give direction to staff to 
draft bylaw amendments based on recommendations for Shoreline and Marine 
Regulation options as outlined in Table 1 attached to the Staff Report dated 
May 12, 2021. 
CARRIED 
A discussion was held regarding the Table of Minor and Technical Amendments. The 
following recommendations were made:  
 That item a, “Landscape Screening Review” include “planting”.  
 That shipping containers should be regulated and limited.  
 That screening for shipping containers should be vegetative screening.  
 That item f, “Mandatory rainwater catchment systems”, be applied to all 
buildings in all zones and that it include a requirement for fire suppression 
hookup.   
NP-2021-054 
It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee give direction to staff to 
draft bylaw amendments based on recommendations for Minor and Technical 
Amendment options as outlined in Table 2 attached to the Staff Report dated 
May 12, 2021. 
CARRIED 
Planner Stockdill reported that the North Pender Island Agricultural Advisory Planning 
Commission is continuing to meet and provided an overview of the project’s timeline 
moving forward.  
 
 

 
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3.2 NP-TUP- 2021.6 Bylaw Enforcement 
Planner Stockdill provided an overview of the application, the current use being 
undertaken prior to approval of the application, and the potential bylaw enforcement 
matters. 
The LTC discussed the project and the interagency challenges that have resulted in the 
application having a review date after the project’s mandated start date.  
By general consent, the LTC requested that Chair Patrick address the Capital 
Regional District (CRD) interagency issues and consideration of opportunities to 
improve communication at the next Executive Committee meeting.   
4.  ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 5:57 p.m.  
 
 
_________________________ 
Laura Patrick, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
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Shannon Brayford, Recorder