Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee special meeting, May 13, 2021

[0:00:39] Voice 8: we're going to look at? He is

[0:00:41] Manager Emmings: working with donors and has been, I think he's under pressure to kind

[0:00:45] Manager Emmings: of move through the project quickly to meet the desires of those donors. So as part of that

[0:00:53] Manager Emmings: staff forwarded to the attention of the chair, the ability to have a special meeting, and that's why

[0:00:58] Manager Emmings: we've called the special meeting. His desire is to try to move through the agreement process

[0:01:03] Manager Emmings: process and actually get at least most of the approvals done at our May meeting.

[0:01:12] Manager Emmings: So for those of you who are unfamiliar or just becoming familiar with BC Parks Foundation,

[0:01:18] Manager Emmings: they're fairly new on the scene for conservation acquisitions in our area. They are a non-profit

[0:01:25] Manager Emmings: foundation, but are affiliated with BC Parks and have been working as sort of the, I guess,

[0:01:33] Manager Emmings: the the charitable arm of bc parks there's no formal um um i guess they've been acknowledged

[0:01:39] Manager Emmings: as their formal charitable partner but they aren't actually government so they aren't

[0:01:43] Manager Emmings: linked through any acts or anything like that um they have been working for the past i think

[0:01:51] Manager Emmings: you know two or three years um yeah in the islands trust area anyway um and what we've seen is they've

[0:01:58] Manager Emmings: been quite successful in a few projects that have come up recently, the most notable of which has

[0:02:04] Manager Emmings: been the purchase of West Valenus Island. So they're showing a pretty good track record of

[0:02:10] Manager Emmings: being able to fundraise for acquisitions and seem to be very successful in that. So part of the

[0:02:18] Manager Emmings: reason for bringing this forward is partly because it's a good opportunity for conservation,

[0:02:24] Manager Emmings: but also it's a new way of doing conservation for the Islands Trust Conservancy in that the way that

[0:02:30] Manager Emmings: the BC Parks Foundation seems to work they mostly work with BC Parks but the way they do

[0:02:37] Manager Emmings: conservation work is they acquire the land I just saw somebody oh no okay they acquire the land

[0:02:43] Manager Emmings: and actually hold the title but then lease the land back to BC Parks for management

[0:02:50] Manager Emmings: management. And for them, that's how they satisfy the desires of their donors to maintain the land

[0:02:57] Manager Emmings: as a conservation property within some control while also having BC Parks, you know, expand its

[0:03:05] Manager Emmings: holdings and its park lands. So this is how they've proposed to move forward with ITC is that

[0:03:12] Manager Emmings: this proposal of the Saturnina Island, which is a 10 acre island or a four hectare, just over four

[0:03:19] Manager Emmings: Hector's Island in the flat tops off of Gabriola. They've proposed that they would do the acquisition,

[0:03:26] Manager Emmings: they're hoping to close by the end of May, and that they would lease the land back to ITC

[0:03:32] Manager Emmings: for management. So I'm going to go through a little bit of the the implications of that,

[0:03:37] Manager Emmings: but before I do I thought I'd let Catherine just talk a little bit about the island and the

[0:03:42] Manager Emmings: the ecological values that are there.

[0:03:45] Voice 6: I will, thanks Kate.

[0:03:48] Voice 6: I'll start off by saying how upset I am

[0:03:51] Voice 6: that I did not get a chance to go to this island

[0:03:53] Voice 6: in order to do this assessment.

[0:03:57] Voice 6: Sure looks like a lovely spot.

[0:03:59] Voice 6: But so that's an important caveat, I think,

[0:04:01] Voice 6: for the board to know that this staff evaluation

[0:04:04] Voice 6: is based just on the information from the applicant

[0:04:06] Voice 6: and from what we have within our own mapping

[0:04:09] Voice 6: and other resources, but it is a small island

[0:04:12] Voice 6: and it is an outer island so it has rare ecosystems, at-risk ecosystems of Douglas fir,

[0:04:21] Voice 6: arbutus, the dry site mix but the trees are probably fairly small because they're exposed

[0:04:28] Voice 6: to a lot of wind and offshore probably very very strong winds I would think at certain times of the

[0:04:37] Voice 6: the year but uh we included all the photos from the parks foundation because i think they gave a

[0:04:44] Voice 6: really good idea of the character of the island and beyond what just shows up in the map it because

[0:04:50] Voice 6: of the lack of of deer or at least of any permanent presence of deer the understory is much healthier

[0:04:58] Voice 6: and more diverse and complete than we see in a lot of other properties that we look at throughout

[0:05:06] Voice 6: the islands trust area and I think that alone makes it a conservation priority despite the

[0:05:13] Voice 6: small size of the property because of that they didn't notice any particular you know listed rare

[0:05:21] Voice 6: species but that complexity of sort of whole ecosystem is something that we don't see very

[0:05:26] Voice 6: often in these heavily browsed islands there's also as you might have noticed in the report

[0:05:32] Voice 6: port potentially some forage fish spawning habitat and sort of a diversity of shoreline with the mud

[0:05:38] Voice 6: flats and both historical an archaeological site and some clam bed presence as well as

[0:05:47] Voice 6: a lot of birds you know the golden eagle potentially bald eagles and herons and so I think

[0:05:57] Voice 6: what's remarkable to me about this island is that it seems like it doesn't get a lot of

[0:06:03] Voice 6: kayaker and other recreational presence either and that's something that Kate I think is going

[0:06:08] Voice 6: to talk about in implications later but at the end of the day I feel that this is a property

[0:06:15] Voice 6: that is quite valuable from a conservation perspective and fits well within the regional

[0:06:22] Voice 6: conservation plan and the securement strategy, particularly because of the focus that those

[0:06:28] Voice 6: documents place on small islands and islets and on that presence of marine shorelines and the

[0:06:37] Voice 6: despite it being a small island that connectivity from shoreline up into the different terrestrial

[0:06:45] Voice 6: habitats. I can answer any questions. I

[0:06:53] Voice 9: like the natural hot tub. It does look comfortable doesn't

[0:06:59] Manager Emmings: yeah I think they provided us with the sort of almost a case for support document they

[0:07:04] Manager Emmings: might have given to donors or the photos that went along with that um okay any

[0:07:12] Voice 10: any questions uh

[0:07:14] Voice 10: Catherine about the ecology of the island as far as she can tell I

[0:07:22] Voice 9: I thought I don't really have

[0:07:23] Voice 9: a question I thought it looked it was really interesting I I found it interesting they said

[0:07:27] Voice 9: there wasn't a lot of salal and um yeah so just kind of a unique little spot um anyway

[0:07:36] Voice 9: i thought it was really sweet i want to go there too no no no okay i know but

[0:07:44] Manager Emmings: maybe soon for a special visit yeah just tiptoe

[0:07:50] Voice 2: i think the one thing that might be

[0:07:53] Voice 2: the lack of kayaking is probably the skill set because it's in the open

[0:07:57] Voice 2: waters off the north end, northeast end of Valdez and

[0:08:01] Voice 2: southwest or southeast of the Gabriola makes it bigger

[0:08:05] Voice 2: water. Just by looking across and we go through the polar pass and it changes

[0:08:09] Voice 2: who goes through as far as kayaking. So, you know, you may

[0:08:13] Voice 2: have some, but they'll be the dedicated, you know, true mariners,

[0:08:17] Voice 2: kayakers versus people on, you know,

[0:08:20] Voice 2: recreational rigs so that in itself helps it's probably you'll minimize the amount of traffic

[0:08:29] Voice 2: going to it

[0:08:30] Voice 7: yeah

[0:08:31] Voice 2: it's a beautiful I just thought it was an amazing another it's

[0:08:36] Voice 10: not why there's um

[0:08:37] Voice 10: no deer do you think because of the open like the the currents maybe you

[0:08:42] Voice 2: may not be because

[0:08:43] Voice 2: it looks close I mean deer swim yeah between islands but um yeah that may be what it is

[0:08:49] Voice 2: Is it just enough to have a nurse shower?

[0:08:52] Voice 2: There's been some tried it, but it hasn't worked out well.

[0:08:55] Voice 6: And there's also, there's no fresh water on the island.

[0:08:57] Voice 2: Yeah.

[0:08:58] Voice 6: Yeah,

[0:08:59] Voice 2: that would do it.

[0:09:00] Voice 6: Yeah, I think that would make a difference as well.

[0:09:02] Voice 6: They go over, they nibble some things, and then they leave again.

[0:09:08] Voice 2: That's amazing.

[0:09:09] Voice 2: It's so nice to see.

[0:09:13] Voice 2: But I will paddle from my place up there.

[0:09:17] Voice 10: So everybody's going.

[0:09:18] Voice 10: Yes,

[0:09:18] Voice 2: we're going to trust the past.

[0:09:21] Voice 11: Yeah, thank you. I'm just wondering about those other Crown Islands around it. Are they visited by kayaks? Or do we know anything about the bigger environment around it in terms of the other islands? Or is that part of that proposed marine park?

[0:09:38] Voice 6: I tried to find out about that. Sorry, Kate, I don't know if you have anything you wanted to say.

[0:09:43] Voice 6: I suppose

[0:09:44] Manager Emmings: the only thing I can say is that the islands surrounding it are mostly, are all, as I can see, privately owned, except for the smaller islets that are basically rock and are crown.

[0:09:56] Manager Emmings: The Vancouver Island, I think it's the Vancouver Yacht Club, actually, one of those yacht clubs in Vancouver, anyway, owns one of the nearby islands, and they do have a presence there from time to time.

[0:10:08] Manager Emmings: I've been on that one um but you know for the most part they're privately held islands at that end

[0:10:15] Manager Emmings: um the north end of Valdez does have a provincial park and I think it's on one of Catherine's

[0:10:20] Manager Emmings: yeah right here this is provincial park and then this is also park on Gabriola so

[0:10:26] Manager Emmings: there and then in here there are um marina areas on Gabriola so there there is potential for people

[0:10:33] Manager Emmings: to paddle in um this is a tricky spot to kayak through as doug mentioned as trustee fenton

[0:10:39] Manager Emmings: mentioned but um but coming out this way um there may be traffic coming from that area

[0:10:46] Voice 10: thank you and what about the comment in regards to the proposed expansion to the federal marine park

[0:10:54] Voice 10: that's being considered but i it seems to be on the back burner now because there was an

[0:10:59] Voice 10: idea that it was going to be as as far north as um as gabriola i

[0:11:06] Manager Emmings: think what i've heard and this

[0:11:10] Manager Emmings: is purely um just from word of mouth is that it's unlikely that it will extend that far north okay

[0:11:15] Manager Emmings: but they are definitely still in conversations and one of the big pieces of that marine park

[0:11:21] Manager Emmings: at the moment is the first nations consultation yeah

[0:11:24] Voice 10: okay um well it's all a lovely island i guess

[0:11:32] Voice 10: the the the implications of um you know structurally and financially um you know i've

[0:11:40] Voice 10: got lots of questions um and also but i i do know andrew a little bit we've met with bc parks

[0:11:48] Voice 10: before um i know some of the board members i mean one of the advantages that i've seen to this

[0:11:55] Voice 10: is that they are very astute um with their um pr and public relations and it it's they always

[0:12:08] Voice 10: there's always big splashy news around them and they have that ability to up the ante a little

[0:12:14] Voice 10: little bit and and um increase our profile if we're working with them um they've been very

[0:12:21] Voice 10: successful they've just finished i think lonesome lake in the interior and a lot of press on that

[0:12:28] Voice 10: and it's very exciting to be part of that kind of you know manage that kind of partnership i think

[0:12:34] Voice 10: would be a good idea

[0:12:35] Manager Emmings: so is that a good segue chair stamford into the implication section would you

[0:12:42] Manager Emmings: Yes.

[0:12:44] Voice 10: I'm not going to influence anyone, but let's move into the structural end of it.

[0:12:49] Manager Emmings: Yeah. So the project has been moving very quickly. So if there were typos and grammatical errors in

[0:12:55] Manager Emmings: this, I'm sorry. But one of the things about BC Parks Foundation is they do seem to move through

[0:13:02] Manager Emmings: projects fairly at a fairly rapid pace once they get going. And I think that's been one of their

[0:13:07] Manager Emmings: ways of being successful also is just their ability to pivot fairly quickly.

[0:13:12] Manager Emmings: Typically, they would partner with BC Parks. I think I mentioned that earlier, but their communications back and forth with BC Parks are that BC Parks is really only interested in taking on properties that expand existing holdings or that are significant parks in and of themselves.

[0:13:29] Manager Emmings: So like West Belenus, for example.

[0:13:32] Manager Emmings: But for example, the other project that they've had in the Islands Trust area was a connector with Mount Erskine and BC Parks holds Mount Erskine as a park.

[0:13:40] Manager Emmings: So either expanding things or looking for, you know, nice big holdings.

[0:13:45] Manager Emmings: um so in my conversation with Andrew Day uh he sort of mentioned they're kind of looking for

[0:13:52] Manager Emmings: another partner in the island's trust area that um might be open to working on projects like this

[0:13:57] Manager Emmings: that are are important from an ecological standpoint but from a BC Parks standpoint

[0:14:02] Manager Emmings: aren't really suitable as parks um so there is that in terms of organizational potential um

[0:14:09] Manager Emmings: And there is the, I think, if this all goes well and if we are all satisfied with the way the partnership works, there may be opportunities for them to act as sort of the fundraising partner and for us to be more of the property management partner.

[0:14:27] Manager Emmings: From an organizational perspective, I think I've already mentioned a couple times, this is moving quickly and it's taking up some of our time.

[0:14:34] Manager Emmings: So what we have found is that the things that are falling off the list are definitely the anything that's sort of administrative in nature in terms of like our redrafting our meeting bylaw and things like that I just have not gotten to and it's partly because of this.

[0:14:50] Manager Emmings: The other thing is it's likely to, along with other projects that we have going on, it's looking like we're going to defer the final work on the reconciliation action plan in order to accommodate this.

[0:15:02] Manager Emmings: I have been in touch with Lisa Wilcox, and she's actually fairly welcoming of that delay,

[0:15:08] Manager Emmings: because she's been putting a lot of work into the policy statement at the moment.

[0:15:14] Manager Emmings: And so that's just something for the board to be aware of.

[0:15:19] Manager Emmings: In terms of our policy, of course, this is a new way of doing conservation work for us,

[0:15:24] Manager Emmings: so it's not addressed in our policy.

[0:15:26] Manager Emmings: And so the only place where we mention Lisa's is in our land securement strategy,

[0:15:31] Manager Emmings: where we kind of talk about them as a as an unused tool but that what that they are one that we could

[0:15:37] Manager Emmings: look at using into the future um and so our policies don't currently address this and so

[0:15:43] Manager Emmings: staff have really in assessing this we kind of looked at how the um how the land would be managed

[0:15:49] Manager Emmings: and tried to assess that assess the proposal in that vein so our feeling is that it's going to

[0:15:54] Manager Emmings: be managed as a nature reserve and therefore we've kind of evaluated it as if it were an

[0:15:59] Manager Emmings: acquisition project that came to us. From a financial standpoint, there are several implications.

[0:16:08] Manager Emmings: We, I mean, there are the regular costs that would go along with an acquisition project,

[0:16:13] Manager Emmings: which are our legal fees and doing registrations at the land title office.

[0:16:18] Manager Emmings: We are also doing more projects this year than we are typically accustomed to, which is good news,

[0:16:25] Manager Emmings: but also means that it has budget implications and that the way our budgets are currently put

[0:16:31] Manager Emmings: forward to trust council we usually anticipate only one acquisition each year and at the moment

[0:16:37] Manager Emmings: we're looking at tracking towards three maybe four so um so just uh in in that vein it's um as

[0:16:48] Manager Emmings: we start to assess our budgets in the fall it's likely that projects like this one will bump us

[0:16:53] Manager Emmings: because of the management planning costs so we'd likely put forward a budget that would include an

[0:16:58] Manager Emmings: extra seven to ten thousand dollars for management planning now that would be a one-time cost but

[0:17:04] Manager Emmings: something to be aware of and then the other thing is that last year we developed a sort of a property

[0:17:12] Manager Emmings: management formula so that we could every year as we did budgeting make sure we added funding to do

[0:17:18] Manager Emmings: ongoing management of lands. And so this would also bump us, I think, somewhere between $3,000

[0:17:24] Manager Emmings: and $3,500 on an annual recurring basis for property management. It's a little bit more

[0:17:31] Manager Emmings: than a regular nature reserve just because of the costs of transportation heading over to the island.

[0:17:37] Manager Emmings: But we're not anticipating, you know, major restoration projects or anything like that at

[0:17:42] Manager Emmings: this stage. Although Catherine did touch on the fact that there are archaeological sites in and

[0:17:50] Manager Emmings: around all of those islands, and so we may want to bring cultural knowledge holders over, and so

[0:17:56] Manager Emmings: that part of property management might be more robust. I think I just touched on that. We did

[0:18:06] Manager Emmings: look at the land title. There's nothing registered on the land title. It's a nice, clean title,

[0:18:10] Manager Emmings: title. But currently it's zoned resource, which actually I was quite surprised on Gabriela

[0:18:17] Manager Emmings: is quite permissive. So in taking it out of the private land realm, I think we are definitely

[0:18:26] Manager Emmings: reducing the ability for development on that island. We have sought the advice of the senior

[0:18:35] Manager Emmings: Intergovernmental Policy Advisor Lisa Wilcox on the project because there are, like I said,

[0:18:41] Manager Emmings: archaeological features in around all of those islands. And we haven't had a chance to take it

[0:18:47] Manager Emmings: for engagement to any local First Nations, but have touched base with the Ministry of Indigenous

[0:18:54] Manager Emmings: Relations just to make sure that we're not moving into an area that is

[0:18:59] Manager Emmings: very important for treaty

[0:19:04] Manager Emmings: treaty processes and uh we didn't get any um red flags from them um so at the moment uh her advice

[0:19:12] Manager Emmings: is to move forward and then try to um make sure that as we move through the management of the

[0:19:18] Manager Emmings: property that we are being inclusive and trying to um allow connection to the land or facilitate

[0:19:24] Manager Emmings: connection to the land by first nations um chair stanford kind of alluded to communications when

[0:19:32] Manager Emmings: she's she mentioned that bc parks foundation typically does some pretty bold communications

[0:19:37] Manager Emmings: when they take on a property so we have had some conversations with them around this because i

[0:19:42] Manager Emmings: think our although we haven't done a management plan for it yet the intention would likely be to

[0:19:47] Manager Emmings: keep it more in a nature like a less accessible nature reserve kind of management structure

[0:19:53] Manager Emmings: because of the delicacy of the ecosystems um and the remoteness of it um and they have indicated

[0:20:01] Manager Emmings: that they would be happy to work with us on a media release they have committed to donors that

[0:20:06] Manager Emmings: they would um promote the the don't the the donations associated with this land um but

[0:20:13] Manager Emmings: they've indicated that those donations are actually coming part of as part of a package

[0:20:17] Manager Emmings: with other properties that they have in the works right now so they could um we could work on that

[0:20:22] Manager Emmings: news release to make it so that it it doesn't highlight this as a as an accessible property

[0:20:28] Manager Emmings: party um we haven't done any referral oh climate change um one one thing that's interesting to

[0:20:36] Manager Emmings: note is that and i'm we haven't been on the island to assess this but a lot of um islets are sort of

[0:20:42] Manager Emmings: considered as potential refugia for species so as katherine mentioned there isn't as we understand

[0:20:47] Manager Emmings: a lot of deer activity on this island and so the the understory vegetation um is quite uh you know

[0:20:55] Manager Emmings: lush um but also um largely composed of native flora and um and so it's possible as climate

[0:21:05] Manager Emmings: changes that these islets will also be places where seed stock um will be maintained to kind

[0:21:12] Manager Emmings: of expand into other areas um of course it's a little bit unknown at this stage how the how

[0:21:18] Manager Emmings: climate will impact this island but um but that is is a possibility and that's one of the reasons

[0:21:23] Manager Emmings: that we do target islets in our regional conservation plan um i think i'm going to

[0:21:32] Manager Emmings: leave it at that i i did i will conclude i guess by saying that um in considering this um staff

[0:21:39] Manager Emmings: also kind of considered whether this should be a property where we urge bc parks foundation to

[0:21:45] Manager Emmings: also fundraise for management costs and things like that staff have not gone that direction

[0:21:51] Manager Emmings: largely because our policies related to land acquisition

[0:21:55] Manager Emmings: don't demand that we contemplate that

[0:22:00] Manager Emmings: in taking on land donations

[0:22:02] Manager Emmings: or when we're doing acquisition projects.

[0:22:04] Manager Emmings: The only time we look at that

[0:22:06] Manager Emmings: as a component of our projects

[0:22:08] Manager Emmings: is really when we are doing development related items

[0:22:11] Manager Emmings: where we ask for endowments

[0:22:12] Manager Emmings: and contributions towards management.

[0:22:14] Manager Emmings: So we haven't made that recommendation here

[0:22:17] Manager Emmings: and that's why,

[0:22:18] Manager Emmings: um but it is of course something for the board to contemplate going forward as we start to

[0:22:24] Manager Emmings: take on more lands um and i've already mentioned that i do feel like there is potential here to

[0:22:33] Manager Emmings: work with bc parks foundation as a good partner because i feel like island stress conservancy is

[0:22:38] Manager Emmings: really strong in property management and making sure we're doing that responsibly

[0:22:42] Manager Emmings: and they seem to be a really good fundraising machine so um i will leave it at that and if

[0:22:48] Manager Emmings: if there are any questions, I'm happy to take them at this time.

[0:22:54] Voice 10: Do I have any questions? Let

[0:22:57] Voice 10: me just see. I don't see Sue Ellen. Has she fallen?

[0:23:07] Manager Emmings: Yeah, I was wondering. I thought I saw

[0:23:09] Manager Emmings: less squares coming through. Oh,

[0:23:17] Voice 10: so I have a few questions. We'll just wait for, I hope Sue Ellen

[0:23:22] Voice 10: comes back because we're heading towards quorum, aren't we? Are we still at a quorum, Kate?

[0:23:33] Voice 10: I think we are at three.

[0:23:35] Manager Emmings: We only need three for a quorum, but it would be nice to get her back.

[0:23:40] Manager Emmings: So yes,

[0:23:41] Voice 10: for sure. There was a comment on page five. I don't know whether this is for Catherine

[0:23:46] Voice 10: or for you, Kate, but I was just interested to know why is the ecosystem not recognized

[0:23:51] Voice 10: by conservation data, the conservation data center? What does that mean?

[0:23:58] Manager Emmings: I'll let Catherine

[0:23:59] Manager Emmings: and respond to that um if you're willing sorry

[0:24:04] Voice 6: i'm just unmuting myself um it has to do with

[0:24:07] Voice 6: well i i my understanding is it has to do with the way that the different um entities who track

[0:24:15] Voice 6: these things have decided to split or lump and it is um that particular

[0:24:22] Voice 6: community is is one

[0:24:25] Voice 6: particular way of splitting out our coastal douglas fir subzone

[0:24:30] Voice 7: and

[0:24:31] Voice 6: it's a refinement of the

[0:24:33] Voice 6: existing um so so it's an additional level of splitting yes

[0:24:38] Voice 10: okay yes the splitting lumping

[0:24:41] Voice 10: argument i get into that a lot with my husband yes

[0:24:44] Voice 6: and if you read the big report that all of

[0:24:46] Voice 6: that is based on wayne erickson actually defined i think it's 72 different uh ecosystem

[0:24:53] Voice 6: system right so okay

[0:24:58] Voice 10: yeah um and one of the things i really i don't want to lose this in

[0:25:06] Voice 10: case i forget but i um is there a mechanism to let the local trust committee know sooner rather

[0:25:12] Voice 10: than later i know it's always uh a little disconcerting when something like this pops up

[0:25:18] Voice 10: and they haven't been um privy to the fact that it's happening um i'm just wondering if they've

[0:25:25] Voice 10: got an in-camera meeting that we can at least just say that there's something happening um

[0:25:33] Manager Emmings: so we

[0:25:35] Manager Emmings: typically don't divulge these things until they um go public what we the way we do kind of talk

[0:25:42] Manager Emmings: about them is through um for example um at trust council when itc does its report we sort of say

[0:25:50] Manager Emmings: we're working on three projects on gabriola and five projects on pender or however that works

[0:25:55] Manager Emmings: If you feel like there is potential for sensitivity or concern here, we can certainly look at maybe touching base with the trustees just offline and go that route with permission of the applicant.

[0:26:14] Manager Emmings: yeah

[0:26:15] Voice 10: i i always prefer i just think that there's any any opportunity for us to reach out to the

[0:26:23] Voice 10: trustees and and just let them know that we are active in their area um just gives them the the

[0:26:30] Voice 10: peace of mind that they are not going to be caught sideways it's could be it's a good thing that you

[0:26:37] Voice 10: know when an island shows up but it is sometimes it's disconcerting when somebody else knows before

[0:26:41] Voice 10: they do and they do feel that they have um they should have the knowledge so i if possible i'd

[0:26:48] Voice 10: like them to at least have a heads up that something like this is happening yeah i can

[0:26:53] Manager Emmings: certainly send an email just to say that we're working on a couple of projects which we anticipate

[0:26:57] Manager Emmings: may close soon and then see if they have any further questions and navigate okay

[0:27:02] Voice 10: yeah just to

[0:27:04] Voice 10: to let them know that we're thinking of them i think is important yeah um i was just looking

[0:27:12] Voice 10: yeah i think it mentions in the report the province manages the other islands but then

[0:27:17] Voice 10: you've mentioned that actually they're privately owned and it's just the islets that are um so on

[0:27:23] Voice 10: page three it says the other islands in the area um am

[0:27:35] Manager Emmings: i on the right page on the screen uh one

[0:27:37] Voice 10: and keep going down um okay i think oh sorry up you're right up go up it's at the top there

[0:27:46] Voice 10: uh the four oh

[0:27:48] Manager Emmings: sorry that's me going very quickly um oh okay

[0:27:52] Manager Emmings: i meant the little rocky islets as

[0:27:55] Manager Emmings: opposed to the island okay um i should note that the little island i can't actually remember what

[0:28:02] Manager Emmings: it's called but this the small island here near saturnina is privately held and it does have a

[0:28:07] Manager Emmings: residence or a recreational building on it cabin of some kind okay

[0:28:13] Voice 7: um

[0:28:14] Manager Emmings: and there has been you know

[0:28:16] Manager Emmings: there are some probably um small anchorages that that could be used when the weather is really good

[0:28:24] Manager Emmings: or when um at certain times of the time of

[0:28:27] Manager Emmings: the day in the area but most of the better anchorages are

[0:28:31] Manager Emmings: of course over here by um silver bay marina which is over in this location okay

[0:28:36] Voice 10: um i've just got a

[0:28:38] Voice 10: text from uh trustee fast she her internet is acting up um do you want to see if i can

[0:28:46] Voice 10: she can call in yeah

[0:28:48] Manager Emmings: that would be fantastic um is there

[0:28:51] Voice 10: a number that

[0:28:52] Manager Emmings: uh coraline do you have

[0:28:56] Manager Emmings: the number that can be called in i'll look for mine as well but maybe i'll turn to coraline and

[0:29:04] Manager Emmings: see if there's a better phone number for her to come in on i have one that is related to my

[0:29:11] Manager Emmings: invitation but i don't know if they're specific coraline just checking in oh there's a message

[0:29:36] Manager Emmings: use this oh so corlin um i see your message about her not having email i think she's offline so

[0:29:46] Manager Emmings: um she's

[0:29:48] Voice 10: looking for a phone number yeah

[0:29:53] Voice 2: bottom of the email invite oh she's not internet

[0:29:57] Manager Emmings: exactly um

[0:30:00] Manager Emmings: on I'll put I have a number up here but I think she might have a different participant code

[0:30:05] Voice 10: would it be my participant code oh she's got 1-800-663-7867 that's

[0:30:19] Manager Emmings: the number that I have

[0:30:21] Manager Emmings: available okay if that oh those are your numbers participant idea is going to be unique to each

[0:30:28] Manager Emmings: of us but I think I mean you could probably give her mine and have her come in well

[0:30:32] Voice 10: she's got this

[0:30:33] Voice 10: number so let's uh i'll just say try it

[0:30:37] Manager Emmings: um hey corlin do you have uh sue ellen's participant code

[0:30:42] Manager Emmings: handy

[0:30:44] Voice 5: no um i'd have to log into the actual webinar potentially i

[0:30:52] Voice 10: told her to try i told

[0:30:53] Voice 10: her to try the number she has just mentioned that it's all unique so yeah

[0:30:58] Voice 5: it should it should be on

[0:30:59] Voice 5: the invite that she got this morning from zoom so yeah if

[0:31:04] Manager Emmings: she can access her old emails on um

[0:31:07] Manager Emmings: yeah you know i'm

[0:31:13] Voice 10: kind of um glad that everybody seems to be having these problems it's not just me

[0:31:20] Voice 2: mine is so much better since i got i'm on beak using beacon from salt oh

[0:31:26] Voice 10: really so they have

[0:31:28] Voice 2: have had some issues but he's figured out like the generator how long it lasts oh it's always

[0:31:34] Voice 10: the generator i i feel so much better now it's not just

[0:31:38] Voice 2: everything was good except they had the

[0:31:40] Voice 2: big snowfall this year and then get

[0:31:42] Voice 2: up the road and yeah so so now he's got twice as much fuel

[0:31:47] Voice 10: got

[0:31:47] Voice 2: 72 hours or something we

[0:31:50] Voice 10: have a neighbor of mine is using the starlink or skylink or

[0:31:55] Voice 10: or whatever it's called from um elon musk and he said it's like it's like the porsche of

[0:32:03] Voice 10: wireless internet uh but it

[0:32:06] Voice 10: is expensive um it's just like super powerful though he loves it

[0:32:11] Voice 10: but i seem to remember isn't skylink something from terminator or like i think there's something

[0:32:16] Voice 10: really bad associated with this kind of stuff doesn't anybody watch movies

[0:32:22] Voice 9: i know it's several people have seen this the train go overhead and gotten really freaked out

[0:32:30] Voice 9: by it because they didn't know what it was or they hadn't heard about it so

[0:32:35] Voice 8: terrible how

[0:32:38] Voice 10: are we doing sue ellen oh um no that's not it she needs to send another number

[0:32:48] Voice 10: i wonder if she could just come through on my phone

[0:32:52] Manager Emmings: um and just did you which number did you

[0:32:57] Manager Emmings: give her did you give her this um

[0:32:59] Voice 10: she said there's a number on her line yeah um do you want me to try

[0:33:05] Voice 10: this one um i'll try the 883 i

[0:33:17] Voice 9: don't want to complicate things but i have another call at

[0:33:21] Voice 9: well maybe we should just go ahead and

[0:33:27] Voice 10: and move forward have

[0:33:29] Voice 10: do you have any more questions

[0:33:30] Voice 10: trustee adams i

[0:33:32] Voice 9: don't know i i thank you for the report though i it was it was good and i didn't

[0:33:37] Voice 9: notice any typos but um oh

[0:33:40] Manager Emmings: somebody's coming oh it's mark oh hello hi mark okay

[0:33:45] Voice 8: okay so what's

[0:33:47] Voice 1: happening or what's not happening um where are you

[0:33:50] Voice 10: we're kind of yeah can we just hold off mark

[0:33:53] Voice 10: because i i am concerned i don't want to lose linda and then not have a quorum so okay are we

[0:33:59] Voice 10: ready to um could you just hold on like two minutes mark and then we'll um we've got linda

[0:34:05] Voice 10: for this particular vote um are we ready to vote on this i'm ready is any um doug yes

[0:34:17] Voice 2: okay

[0:34:18] Voice 10: Okay, so can we get the recommendation?

[0:34:22] Manager Emmings: Yes.

[0:34:27] Manager Emmings: Is that big enough?

[0:34:28] Manager Emmings: We'll make it a bit bigger.

[0:34:36] Voice 10: Would somebody like to read that out when it's ready?

[0:34:39] Voice 10: And I'm just texting Sue Ellen quite quickly.

[0:34:43] Voice 9: I can.

[0:34:44] Voice 9: Okay.

[0:34:46] Voice 9: I move that the Islands Trust Conservancy Board direct staff

[0:34:49] Voice 9: to work with the BC Parks Foundation to draft a lease

[0:34:53] Voice 9: in favor of the Islands Trust Conservancy for Saturnina Island PID 00977772090

[0:35:03] Voice 9: and to return to the board for final approval of the lease agreement.

[0:35:07] Voice 9: Do I have a seconder? Second.

[0:35:09] Voice 10: Great. Is there any comments or questions?

[0:35:16] Voice 10: This is frighteningly easy. I'd like to take the vote. All those in favor?

[0:35:24] Voice 10: and i'm in favor as well so we're gonna say that's passed i'm a little it's a little weird

[0:35:32] Voice 10: because we're so close to to quorum but i think uh i haven't heard any uh concerns about it so um

[0:35:39] Voice 10: this is gonna be very exciting

[0:35:41] Manager Emmings: another

[0:35:42] Voice 10: island under yeah

[0:35:45] Manager Emmings: yeah it's um it's making for interesting

[0:35:49] Manager Emmings: days for sure

[0:35:50] Voice 9: with COVID that we're you know suddenly having like three projects on the go

[0:36:00] Voice 9: I wonder if there's any

[0:36:00] Voice 9: our

[0:36:01] Manager Emmings: volume has certainly gone up um as Catherine can probably attest to

[0:36:06] Manager Emmings: too and uh I mean the volume in the planning department has also

[0:36:10] Voice 9: gone up and they just

[0:36:11] Voice 9: issued a new

[0:36:11] Manager Emmings: release saying we can't do it all yeah we're not saying that because we don't want

[0:36:16] Manager Emmings: but it's been busy

[0:36:20] Voice 2: the difference being this is the balance because that's all about subdivision

[0:36:25] Voice 2: and development activity and all the wrong direction whereas something like this is

[0:36:29] Voice 2: so positive yes

[0:36:32] Manager Emmings: yeah it's hard to say no when people are trying to do good things for sure

[0:36:37] Manager Emmings: yeah this

[0:36:38] Voice 2: will be i'm sure the first nations once we get this sorted out will be but these

[0:36:42] Voice 2: islets are obvious importance to them over time like i mean they're just

[0:36:47] Voice 7: i

[0:36:49] Voice 2: know that penelope

[0:36:50] Voice 2: talked about all of the from here to south end of galileano and they just always you know these

[0:36:57] Voice 2: things are so i'm sure this once we get then part of this conversation will be yeah um

[0:37:03] Voice 2: it'll be a

[0:37:04] Voice 2: very positive thing for them as well yeah no that's great

[0:37:08] Voice 10: okay um here let me um okay so is

[0:37:13] Voice 10: mark still on with us yeah

[0:37:14] Voice 1: he is i am yep and i'm just trying to i'm just trying to get uh sue ellen

[0:37:18] Voice 1: what she needs to call in okay

[0:37:21] Voice 10: so i'm on texting with her she just needs that particular phone

[0:37:24] Voice 10: number i think

[0:37:25] Voice 1: i'm gonna send

[0:37:26] Voice 10: her it's a meeting id that's what she said she needs yeah i'm gonna

[0:37:30] Voice 1: send her um another invitation in her email i think i

[0:37:34] Manager Emmings: think it's offline mark so she's

[0:37:36] Voice 1: okay let me just send this information to you in the chat then

[0:37:43] Voice 1: meeting id which actually if you're in the upper left hand corner there's a little check box or a

[0:37:50] Voice 1: check mark with a shield if you hover over

[0:37:52] Voice 1: there and if you click on that you'll see all the meeting

[0:37:55] Voice 1: details including the meeting um id well

[0:38:01] Voice 10: okay i'll give her the meeting id i can do that um

[0:38:06] Voice 1: she might require a common member

[0:38:08] Voice 10: no

[0:38:10] Voice 1: it's it's unique to each meeting you might also require

[0:38:13] Voice 1: require a passcode and I've got that

[0:38:16] Voice 1: here I've got that here okay

[0:38:18] Voice 5: and

[0:38:19] Voice 1: then typically she would

[0:38:22] Voice 1: have a participant code but I think if we just give her a passcode she'll get into the attendees

[0:38:28] Voice 1: list and then we can just move her over

[0:38:30] Voice 10: okay so what is the passcode number eight

[0:38:34] Voice 1: five five nine

[0:38:35] Voice 1: zero okay

[0:38:36] Voice 10: eight five five nine five zero let's see if this all works okay

[0:38:52] Voice 8: i've texted that over

[0:38:53] Voice 8: to her and

[0:38:56] Manager Emmings: i've put it up on the screen too although i'm just trying to figure out how i

[0:39:00] Manager Emmings: make it a little bigger oh

[0:39:01] Voice 1: you can't actually we can't see it because we you can't zoom zoom

[0:39:07] Manager Emmings: it's not zoom it's my um master does it all the time oh

[0:39:12] Voice 1: there it is does that work

[0:39:13] Voice 1: yep i can see

[0:39:14] Voice 1: that the

[0:39:16] Manager Emmings: only thing is her purchase this is my participant id exactly

[0:39:19] Voice 1: we can't give her that but

[0:39:21] Voice 1: i think if she puts in if she just puts in the passcode she'll go in as an as a um an attendee

[0:39:28] Voice 1: or if she just comes in as oh i see with the phone even with the phone if she just gets in as an

[0:39:33] Voice 1: attendee we'll be able to move

[0:39:35] Voice 1: her over we'll just watch for an additional is

[0:39:43] Voice 10: there any problem

[0:39:44] Voice 10: because we're in an in-camera meeting.

[0:39:50] Voice 1: Do you have it locked, Coraline?

[0:39:53] Voice 5: I did open it

[0:39:55] Voice 5: up for her

[0:39:56] Voice 1: to get in.

[0:39:56] Voice 1: Yeah, it's not locked.

[0:39:57] Voice 5: It was, but then I reopened it after she popped out.

[0:40:03] Voice 5: And where is the section on the audio settings?

[0:40:06] Voice 5: Like I found that you were talking about for...

[0:40:11] Voice 1: An individual in the left-hand corner, there's a mute button,

[0:40:14] Voice 1: and then up there up arrow beside it you can see the um the switch to phone audio it's the third

[0:40:21] Voice 1: from the bottom that will include a participant code however it's unique to everybody but you

[0:40:29] Voice 1: could use one of the toll-free numbers in the meeting id to get in as a as an attendee so i'm

[0:40:36] Voice 10: not i'm not hearing back from her um i'd hate to have us just sitting yeah

[0:40:41] Voice 1: can you give me a number

[0:40:42] Voice 1: then and i'll i'll give a

[0:40:44] Voice 10: call yeah

[0:40:44] Voice 8: um sorry

[0:40:56] Voice 10: okay it's 604-833-2418 okay okay and then we'll move

[0:41:09] Voice 10: forward with the meeting thanks mark thanks

[0:41:13] Voice 5: mark okay

[0:41:15] Voice 10: are we ready to move on to 3.2 is that the

[0:41:20] Voice 10: only other thing in our meeting i i don't have the agenda in front of me so

[0:41:24] Manager Emmings: yes that's the only

[0:41:25] Manager Emmings: only other thing and actually so I'm gonna just try a weird screen share so that I can talk to

[0:41:32] Manager Emmings: something um

[0:41:35] Voice 8: let's

[0:41:37] Manager Emmings: see if this works so I'm this is my remote desktop that I'm trying to

[0:41:46] Manager Emmings: share but essentially this you should be seeing this point on main island um can

[0:41:54] Voice 10: I just is this

[0:41:55] Voice 10: Sue Ellen just coming in now yeah I

[0:41:57] Voice 10: have her in as an attendee

[0:41:58] Voice 10: super I can hear you um Sue Ellen

[0:42:02] Voice 10: Ellen, sorry about that. We did move ahead with voting on the Saturina Island proposal,

[0:42:10] Voice 10: and we voted in favor. We just didn't want to lose Linda and not have you on online because

[0:42:16] Voice 10: then we wouldn't have a quorum. So now we're at the main island Edith Point update.

[0:42:22] Manager Emmings: Okay. Welcome, Sue Ellen. Well, you can't see my screen, but I'm showing a map of Edith Point.

[0:42:29] Manager Emmings: And Edith Point, you may recall that it's been a few meetings since we had this conversation, is actually composed of two large properties.

[0:42:38] Manager Emmings: And the proposed project was for ITC to work with the Main Island Conservancy to acquire a portion of the Point through a Section 99 subdivision.

[0:42:50] Manager Emmings: and then the second property which is part of the point but not the actual end of the point

[0:42:55] Manager Emmings: was going to be acquired by the Nature Conservancy of Canada as part of a joint project with all

[0:43:01] Manager Emmings: three groups. The board approved the point as a section 99 subdivision and we've been negotiating

[0:43:09] Manager Emmings: with Main Island Conservancy the landowner and NCC toward a big conservation success hopefully

[0:43:16] Manager Emmings: carefully for the point. What we, I just wanted to update the board because we've been having

[0:43:22] Manager Emmings: some back and forth with the landowner in terms of the pricing of the property. He owns both

[0:43:28] Manager Emmings: pieces, but one is owned personally by him and his wife, and the other is owned by a corporation

[0:43:34] Manager Emmings: that he owns. And so we've been trying to figure out the best way to structure the deal for tax

[0:43:43] Manager Emmings: purposes for him and what has been established is that he can he can provide a larger donation so

[0:43:52] Manager Emmings: what it's going to be what's called a split receipt where he's provided with cash for part

[0:43:58] Manager Emmings: of the land but then he donates part of the value and all of that will be happening through the

[0:44:03] Manager Emmings: ecological gifts program and through using appraisals but what we've found is that because

[0:44:09] Manager Emmings: of the way the ownership is structured on the two parcels, the point of land being owned privately

[0:44:15] Manager Emmings: by him and his wife, he gets more of a tax benefit if he's able to donate all of that point and then

[0:44:25] Manager Emmings: receive cash for the full value of the second property. So we are moving forward with some

[0:44:33] Manager Emmings: structural agreements with Main Island Conservancy and Nature Conservancy that we hadn't

[0:44:38] Manager Emmings: anticipated um because we were looking at it as two separate acquisitions with nature conservative

[0:44:44] Manager Emmings: working together and communicating but with the actual agreements being separate with ncc taking

[0:44:50] Manager Emmings: on one with a partial donation of that and and islands trust conservancy taking on the other

[0:44:54] Manager Emmings: with a partial donation of that well what's looking like now is that it will be a much larger

[0:45:00] Manager Emmings: partnership arrangement with all three of us being involved with the

[0:45:05] Voice 10: whole island the

[0:45:06] Manager Emmings: whole point

[0:45:07] Manager Emmings: So I just wanted to let the board know about that shift. I'm hoping to bring you a little

[0:45:12] Manager Emmings: bit more detail at the board meeting at the end of the month. But yes, that's the update. And if

[0:45:20] Manager Emmings: there are any questions, I'm happy to take them.

[0:45:24] Voice 10: Any questions? Sue Ellen, do you have any questions

[0:45:28] Voice 10: about this update?

[0:45:30] Voice 3: No, that sounds clear. Thank you.

[0:45:33] Manager Emmings: And just to be clear, that would mean that

[0:45:35] Manager Emmings: itc would likely be working with ncc and main island conservancy to fundraise for a property

[0:45:40] Manager Emmings: that's outside of the one that we would end up owning in order to facilitate that donation

[0:45:48] Voice 10: does it mean we're going to have to raise more money

[0:45:52] Manager Emmings: no the the actual donation portion remains

[0:45:56] Manager Emmings: the same and the actual acquisition amount remains the same it's just the way the

[0:46:02] Manager Emmings: the property donations are structured and to be fair ITC never really committed to doing much in

[0:46:11] Manager Emmings: the way of fundraising for the acquisition costs because we didn't feel we were well poised for

[0:46:15] Manager Emmings: that so most of the burden will actually still live with NCC and the main island conservancy

[0:46:21] Manager Emmings: and we'll be supporting that through communications and media posts and things like that as we can

[0:46:29] Voice 10: Doug I can't see you on my screen or do you have any questions about this oh

[0:46:34] Voice 2: that's good that's

[0:46:35] Voice 2: um any yeah which is an evolving situation that the tax situation makes sense and uh

[0:46:42] Voice 2: that's yeah good that we're actually able to work with them to make it

[0:46:46] Voice 2: yeah I

[0:46:48] Manager Emmings: think it could work out well for all parties yeah

[0:46:51] Voice 10: and I like the idea that externally

[0:46:53] Voice 10: that whole point will be a joint, will be seen as a joint project, as opposed to one of us owning

[0:47:02] Voice 10: one part and another part. I like the idea that it's, to me, it's a little more cleaner that way,

[0:47:09] Voice 10: at least externally.

[0:47:11] Manager Emmings: Yeah, that's probably true. Although things seem to get more and more

[0:47:15] Manager Emmings: complicated yeah

[0:47:16] Voice 10: anyway

[0:47:18] Voice 3: so

[0:47:21] Voice 10: no more exciting projects folks

[0:47:25] Manager Emmings: at least not with month timelines yeah yeah

[0:47:29] Voice 10: no more this no more this month let's put it that way

[0:47:33] Manager Emmings: all right so that's all that i have at your stand okay okay

[0:47:38] Voice 10: okay and if there's no other

[0:47:40] Voice 10: questions or comments we'll um we'll adjourn this meeting and thank you again kate and staff this is

[0:47:49] Voice 10: i just can't imagine how much work this is so it's so good though

[0:47:54] Voice 10: i was

[0:47:57] Voice 3: glad to see in the news release that went out about the surge in development application

[0:48:03] Voice 3: um that the islands trust conservancy was mentioned as well so that's great to see that uh

[0:48:11] Voice 3: intersecting more

[0:48:13] Manager Emmings: yes

[0:48:13] Manager Emmings: I have to give kudos to Claire

[0:48:17] Manager Emmings: for that she really does keep us

[0:48:18] Manager Emmings: in mind as she puts up these things

[0:48:20] Manager Emmings: yeah

[0:48:22] Voice 3: that's great

[0:48:24] Voice 9: okay

[0:48:26] Voice 9: good work everyone

[0:48:27] Manager Emmings: thank you

[0:48:28] Voice 9: bye

[0:48:30] Voice 9: enjoy the rest of your day

[0:48:32] Voice 9: or your week or whatever

[0:48:35] Manager Emmings: see

[0:48:35] Voice 9: you next time