Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, May 13, 2021

[0:00:00] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much. Good morning, everybody. We'll just wait a minute for attendees to arrive.

[0:00:43] Trustee Rogers: Well, my screen says six attendees, but I only see five names. Do you see a sixth?

[0:00:48] Trustee Rogers: Oh, there it is. Sorry. There's the sixth. Sorry. My, my, my, just have to be patient.

[0:00:54] Trustee Rogers: All right. It's a good morning, everyone. It's 1032. So I think we'll start the meeting.

[0:01:04] Trustee Rogers: uh i very much appreciate uh everyone who's here for the regular meeting of the gabriola island

[0:01:12] Trustee Rogers: local trust committee um of may 13th 2021 so if you thought you were in some other

[0:01:19] Trustee Rogers: meeting you should you should check your ticket and go go back and um reboard the the flight uh

[0:01:27] Trustee Rogers: Anyway, welcome. I'm sorry. It's a lovely day. I expect across the Coast Salish Sea and the traditional territories of the Coast Salish people, we're very happy to be and privileged to be able to meet here today.

[0:01:46] Trustee Rogers: I'm joining you from the traditional territories of the Musqueam, Tsleil-Waututh, and Squamish peoples.

[0:01:52] Trustee Rogers: I'm very privileged to do that.

[0:01:55] Trustee Rogers: It's been a long time since I've been able to travel to other parts of the Coast Salish Territory.

[0:02:02] Trustee Rogers: I am looking forward to the day that I can do that, including, of course, to the beautiful island of Gabriola.

[0:02:10] Trustee Rogers: I'm very privileged to be here and thankful that we're able to work and live and play here as I like to do with both Trustee Kohler and Trustee Longer.

[0:02:22] Trustee Rogers: I give them the opportunity to make any acknowledgments that they'd like to before we start the meeting.

[0:02:27] Voice 14: Yeah, okay.

[0:02:29] Voice 14: I'd like to also acknowledge the privilege that I have had to live on this island, Cape Rule, in a territory that's the name of First Nation for so many years.

[0:02:38] Voice 14: I mean, it is a beautiful island, and I feel honoured to have been able to live and work here.

[0:02:45] Voice 14: Thank you. Thank you, Colburn.

[0:02:48] Trustee Colbourne: And thanks for those words. I'm here at Wasumi Letsun, and I want to honour Elders Geraldine and Gary Manson for helping me learn that word and what it means, closer together, otherwise known as Gabriola Sands on the island now called Gabriola.

[0:03:02] Trustee Colbourne: And it's a very humbling feeling to be in this place that's been stewarded for tens of thousands of years.

[0:03:11] Trustee Rogers: Thank you. Thank you for all of that.

[0:03:14] Trustee Rogers: And if anyone wishes to, in the chat function, acknowledge their own sense of being and their thankfulness for being able to live here,

[0:03:23] Trustee Rogers: please feel free to do that and maybe take a moment to recognize the importance of that knowledge.

[0:03:29] Trustee Rogers: So this is the regular meeting of the Gabriola Local Trust Committee.

[0:03:36] Trustee Rogers: We are continuing under the public health orders and the pandemic to meet virtually.

[0:03:44] Trustee Rogers: Thank you for joining us and continuing this journey into a virtual meeting world.

[0:03:50] Trustee Rogers: We've been doing it for well over a year now.

[0:03:53] Trustee Rogers: So I recognize many of the names here on our attendees list.

[0:03:59] Trustee Rogers: the process will be as we have adopted over the course

[0:04:06] Trustee Rogers: of the last 14 months that you will be muted

[0:04:09] Trustee Rogers: and your camera will not be operational

[0:04:12] Trustee Rogers: until there's an opportunity for you

[0:04:14] Trustee Rogers: to address the local trust committee.

[0:04:16] Trustee Rogers: But in the meantime, you will be able to hear and see us

[0:04:20] Trustee Rogers: and there will be a few opportunities for you

[0:04:23] Trustee Rogers: to address the local trust committee.

[0:04:26] Trustee Rogers: this is this meeting is being broadcast on not only by the webinar if you've joined us you are

[0:04:33] Trustee Rogers: on the webinar but it's also being live streamed so there may be a number of people that are

[0:04:37] Trustee Rogers: watching us live it's also being recorded uh and i think we're getting to the point where

[0:04:42] Trustee Rogers: the recordings are getting up on website within uh two days because i watched one from monday

[0:04:48] Trustee Rogers: yesterday so uh they're they're getting up more regularly and in a more more expeditious

[0:04:54] Trustee Rogers: as fast and so you can always go back and watch what I want to address, sort of introduce the

[0:04:59] Trustee Rogers: people you're seeing on your screen. You've already heard from your local trustees, Trustee Longerise

[0:05:03] Trustee Rogers: and Trustee Scott Colbert. Nice to see you both, of course. And you'll also see in your screen,

[0:05:12] Trustee Rogers: you'll see the regional planning manager, Heather Coward. Good morning, Heather. You'll also see

[0:05:17] Trustee Rogers: planner Jamie DeBena. Hi, Jamie. You'll be hearing from her a little bit later. I know that

[0:05:23] Trustee Rogers: that planner Sonia Zupanich is here and you'll be she'll be appearing from time to time she's

[0:05:32] Trustee Rogers: the island planner from Gabriola you'll also see on your screen at the moment the recorder

[0:05:38] Trustee Rogers: and the minute taker Nadine Moreau good morning Nadine nice to see you and you will not see Nadine

[0:05:46] Trustee Rogers: there throughout the course of the day but you may hear me speak to her from time to time you'll also

[0:05:51] Trustee Rogers: see staff Will Cottingham. It says staff Will Cottingham. Staff is really the controller of

[0:05:57] Trustee Rogers: all of this. She's running the electronics for us and we couldn't do this without her. Thank you

[0:06:01] Trustee Rogers: very much Will and you may hear me speak with Will from time to time because she'll be the one that

[0:06:06] Trustee Rogers: promotes you if you wish to speak to the local trust committee. Anyway that's who you will see

[0:06:13] Trustee Rogers: most of the day. You'll see the three trustees. My name is Dan Rogers. I'm the chair of the

[0:06:18] Trustee Rogers: the Gabriela Local Trust Committee.

[0:06:20] Trustee Rogers: I'm very pleased to do that.

[0:06:21] Trustee Rogers: In that position, I'm on the Executive of Trust Council,

[0:06:26] Trustee Rogers: of the Executive Committee.

[0:06:28] Trustee Rogers: I'm one of the vice chairs and in that capacity,

[0:06:31] Trustee Rogers: I have the privilege of being the chairs

[0:06:35] Trustee Rogers: of Gabriela, Galeano and Maine Islands.

[0:06:39] Trustee Rogers: I am one of through the three trustees

[0:06:41] Trustee Rogers: and so you'll hear me participate in the discussion

[0:06:43] Trustee Rogers: and as we have both and my other role

[0:06:45] Trustee Rogers: is to conduct the meeting and work our way through.

[0:06:51] Trustee Rogers: So having said that, as I said,

[0:06:55] Trustee Rogers: there will be a few opportunities for you to speak

[0:06:57] Trustee Rogers: and I'll address those when we get to those.

[0:06:59] Trustee Rogers: First is our call.

[0:07:01] Trustee Rogers: In the meantime, I'm going to turn to the trustees

[0:07:04] Trustee Rogers: and simply ask, we have an agenda in front of us.

[0:07:07] Trustee Rogers: Is there anything either of you wish to add

[0:07:09] Trustee Rogers: or amend to the agenda?

[0:07:12] Trustee Rogers: Yes, Trustee Linder.

[0:07:13] Voice 14: Yeah, I'd just like to add as new business,

[0:07:15] Voice 14: it's just a brief discussion on development approval information bylaw okay uh

[0:07:24] Trustee Rogers: just put it

[0:07:25] Trustee Rogers: as 11.4 yeah yeah anything else from either of you nothing no okay then i'll take the

[0:07:40] Trustee Rogers: agenda approve as amended thank you very much uh the first item of business is 2.1 h which is the

[0:07:48] Trustee Rogers: the rise and report on the April 15th,

[0:07:52] Trustee Rogers: you may recall that we went into a camera

[0:07:54] Trustee Rogers: if you were here at the end of the meeting on April the 15th

[0:07:58] Trustee Rogers: and we do have a couple of matters to report on.

[0:08:03] Trustee Rogers: Our practices because of this electronic format,

[0:08:06] Trustee Rogers: we would normally come out of camera

[0:08:08] Trustee Rogers: and report at the end of the meeting,

[0:08:09] Trustee Rogers: but we do it at the beginning of the next meeting.

[0:08:11] Trustee Rogers: So in those, we passed two motions.

[0:08:14] Trustee Rogers: First, we passed a motion to appoint

[0:08:19] Trustee Rogers: Diane Dunsmore-Farley, Angela Pounds, John Woods,

[0:08:22] Trustee Rogers: Kenda Chang, Swanson, Toby Ellett, and Steve Earl

[0:08:25] Trustee Rogers: to the Gabriel Housing Advisory Planning Commission.

[0:08:28] Trustee Rogers: Thank you again for their work.

[0:08:30] Trustee Rogers: I think they're all, if I'm not mistaken,

[0:08:33] Trustee Rogers: they're all reappointments.

[0:08:34] Trustee Rogers: And so they've already been working

[0:08:36] Trustee Rogers: on that committee that was done.

[0:08:39] Trustee Rogers: The other thing, motion we passed was

[0:08:42] Trustee Rogers: that we reserve a place on the Housing Advisory

[0:08:45] Trustee Rogers: Planning Commission for representative of

[0:08:49] Trustee Rogers: Sonamik First Nation and Gabriel Landon Trails Trust

[0:08:52] Trustee Rogers: and appropriate letters will be written to that effect.

[0:08:55] Trustee Rogers: So those two motions were passed in-camera

[0:09:00] Trustee Rogers: in our meeting last month.

[0:09:03] Trustee Rogers: So that's our rise in report from that meeting.

[0:09:08] Trustee Rogers: So with that, I'm going to turn to item three on the agenda

[0:09:11] Trustee Rogers: on the reports and who would like to,

[0:09:14] Trustee Rogers: which of the trustees would like,

[0:09:17] Voice 19: Trustee Longer, I'll let you go first.

[0:09:19] Voice 19: yeah yeah okay

[0:09:24] Voice 14: well thank you very much uh yeah we uh what i can report on it is the

[0:09:30] Voice 14: governance review committee uh we did make a selection of a management consultant firm

[0:09:37] Voice 14: great northern management consultants and we met with them on monday and it was it was a

[0:09:44] Voice 14: it was a really good meeting i think in terms of what we learned about their background you know

[0:09:49] Voice 14: The way they spoke about their background as well, I mean, they've got some highly skilled people here who've got a lot of experience with the federal government and with First Nations, particularly one of them, Mary Antoinette Flumian, who's currently working with a number of First Nations in BC on governance issues.

[0:10:10] Voice 14: So they've provided sort of three subject matter experts for the project, governance, planning, and advocacy.

[0:10:21] Voice 14: And so I think it'll be a really good review that will come out of that from this group.

[0:10:29] Voice 14: I also attended a webinar by Raven Trust, again, on Site C.

[0:10:34] Voice 14: with uh with uh that was on i wrote that down um well roland wilson of west moberly

[0:10:43] Voice 14: lakes first nation and then dr jills wendling who's a hydrologist a long-term hydrologist

[0:10:50] Voice 14: just talking about the impacts of uh drilling the fracking you know what happens to the watersheds

[0:10:59] Voice 14: and when they're finished with a drilled well,

[0:11:05] Voice 14: they fill it with water from their other exploration.

[0:11:09] Voice 14: So they're really contaminating the underground water.

[0:11:15] Voice 14: We also had Kai and the Gatta from Dogwood,

[0:11:18] Voice 14: which is a nonpartisan citizen action network.

[0:11:21] Voice 14: And the three of them spoke about what's happening

[0:11:23] Voice 14: up in the Peace River Valley.

[0:11:25] Voice 14: And one of the amazing clips was Chief Wilson showed a map of the industrial development in that area in the 50s and then showed another map of the industrial area, the industrial activities currently.

[0:11:45] Voice 14: currently and there's red dots for where this industry and there's a buffer zone around it

[0:11:51] Voice 14: in the 50s there was a number of red dots now the whole area is virtually covered with red dots

[0:11:58] Voice 14: and that has really impacted them because the buffer areas around an activity can be from 50

[0:12:05] Voice 14: meters to a half a mile or a quarter mile something like that so they're really being

[0:12:10] Voice 14: impacted by all of the coal mining oil and gas so anyway it was and the good

[0:12:20] Voice 14: news is they did recently win in the court in order to get access to the BC

[0:12:25] Voice 14: Hydro data on the safety of the dam because they're taking them to the

[0:12:31] Voice 14: government to court and BC Hydro to court so that was I think that was a

[0:12:35] Voice 14: really really good to hear from my perspective anyway uh trust programs committee of course

[0:12:43] Voice 14: we've all been on being at that meeting where we talked about the trust policy statement and

[0:12:48] Voice 14: it is a revolutionary document to say the least and i would certainly encourage everybody to

[0:12:54] Voice 14: take a look at it read it think about it compare it to the old document the current

[0:12:59] Voice 14: policy statement and provide feedback as much as possible you know uh it's it's uh it is quite

[0:13:08] Voice 14: changed and uh i i i'm i'm pleased with it overall um regional planning committee we finalized a

[0:13:18] Voice 14: model fee bylaw which will be going to uh trust council um you know i think in june

[0:13:28] Voice 14: we didn't complete the development approval information bylaw which is the bylaw which

[0:13:33] Voice 14: sets out how we gather information when there's an app development permit application or a temporary

[0:13:39] Voice 14: use permit whatever and that will be coming up later there's some issues to work out but

[0:13:45] Voice 14: as this this review is partly what generated why i added the the development approval information

[0:13:51] Voice 14: information bylaw to the agenda, because I just wanted to talk about our local development bylaw.

[0:14:01] Voice 14: Susan Simard, she's going to be hosting a webinar. Sorry, she'll be on the webinar hosted by Sierra

[0:14:08] Voice 14: Club on May the 19th. And she's a really good speaker. And she's a forest biologist from UBC

[0:14:15] Voice 14: and has done a lot of work around basically trying to understand the linkage between old

[0:14:22] Voice 14: trees among themselves and you know she's got a new book out about the mother tree and she talks

[0:14:27] Voice 14: a lot about that there's also a ted talk that's available as well and i certainly recommend doing

[0:14:32] Voice 14: that we're going to listen to her speak she's she's a good speaker so um i think that's about

[0:14:40] Voice 14: it for me thanks thank you uh

[0:14:44] Trustee Colbourne: trustee colbert yes thank you um it's a beautiful day i think

[0:14:50] Trustee Colbourne: it feels like spring the last few days. I'll just sort of own like this has been a difficult winter

[0:14:56] Trustee Colbourne: and spring I think and a lot of people I talked to are talking about sort of an inability to find

[0:15:00] Trustee Colbourne: that energy switch again and to and these are stressful times so this today feels like a new

[0:15:07] Trustee Colbourne: start so I also was really moved by the letter that Dr. Margaret Taylor sent and it's in

[0:15:13] Trustee Colbourne: correspondence to today's agenda package and I think it really got at some of the underlying

[0:15:19] Trustee Colbourne: of lying uh feelings that people are having about um the stress of some of this and stress on

[0:15:24] Trustee Colbourne: ecosystems um i one of the positive things that's happened like first of all there was a freshwater

[0:15:30] Trustee Colbourne: strategy uh webinar yesterday as part of the regional planning committee so i took part in

[0:15:35] Trustee Colbourne: that it feels like the island's trust is a bit behind when it comes to water and i really want

[0:15:39] Trustee Colbourne: to point to the leadership of the regional district of Nanaimo and their watershed and

[0:15:43] Trustee Colbourne: drinking water protection program not project program which is entering its second 10-year

[0:15:47] Trustee Colbourne: strategy and I think the trust has been part of that on the technical side really fundamental to

[0:15:53] Trustee Colbourne: what we're talking about is water the other piece of it is ecosystem protection and I'm a member of

[0:15:59] Trustee Colbourne: the climate caucus which is sort of a national movement and group of elected officials talking

[0:16:04] Trustee Colbourne: about some of the linked crises we're facing and and a real positive thing that happened this this

[0:16:10] Trustee Colbourne: past amount of time is that the trees for tomorrow project which I started in conjunction with

[0:16:16] Trustee Colbourne: Simone Levesque and in partnership with the Hornby Island Conservancy and that's

[0:16:21] Trustee Colbourne: people can register land and then get some tree experts to come look at what

[0:16:26] Trustee Colbourne: types of tree can be planted there that and then we also take donations of two

[0:16:30] Trustee Colbourne: dollars per tree to actually plant the trees we've planted 1,080 trees this

[0:16:35] Trustee Colbourne: spring so that's and it's a really wonderful feeling to go we were there

[0:16:40] Trustee Colbourne: with Simone and I were there with Rob Rockley and Ann Landry from Gabriel

[0:16:45] Trustee Colbourne: rural land and trails trust planted some trees at elder cedar and some other spots in the island

[0:16:49] Trustee Colbourne: and it kind of engendered a discussion about trees and ecosystem protection and what we can do in a

[0:16:56] Trustee Colbourne: collaborative inclusive way i think one of the difficult parts of the community conversation

[0:17:02] Trustee Colbourne: has been when we split off environmental protection against something like affordable

[0:17:07] Trustee Colbourne: housing and we have this this kind of clash that doesn't need to be there it's when we look at the

[0:17:14] Trustee Colbourne: climate caucus we're looking at things you have to recognize that there's a there's a an

[0:17:19] Trustee Colbourne: environmental crisis recognized as a humanitarian crisis that comes through in a sort of housing

[0:17:23] Trustee Colbourne: housing and other services and then where do the solutions integrate and where are they

[0:17:28] Trustee Colbourne: interconnected and how can you sort of bring communities along in an inclusive way um so the

[0:17:34] Trustee Colbourne: idea that i've i put forward to gabriola talks uh which is a organization to kind of ad hoc that's

[0:17:40] Trustee Colbourne: spun out of sustainable gabriola is to have a community discussion about trees this summer

[0:17:46] Trustee Colbourne: it would be maybe webinar focused at first but then fundraise towards having a piece of direct

[0:17:52] Trustee Colbourne: mail that would go to all property owners it would have a piece around traditional knowledge

[0:17:57] Trustee Colbourne: holders and tree and the recognizing and respecting the sunamook especially for gabriola

[0:18:04] Trustee Colbourne: and their their thousands of years of knowledge of this place so it would be place-based it would

[0:18:09] Trustee Colbourne: be multi-generational we talked to make sure we have representatives of different age groups and

[0:18:13] Trustee Colbourne: different demographics who are facing all these interconnected challenges in different ways

[0:18:17] Trustee Colbourne: depending on their means and background um it would have galt in their nature stewards program

[0:18:22] Trustee Colbourne: i really want to congratulate galt for the they've really taken a step into the action side

[0:18:27] Trustee Colbourne: of educating uh property owners homeowners landholders about actions we can take together

[0:18:34] Trustee Colbourne: together to link our lives and impacts to the ecosystems around us and the science

[0:18:41] Trustee Colbourne: there. Trees for Tomorrow, I'm hoping will be part of this. And also FireSmart. So I'm going

[0:18:48] Trustee Colbourne: to invite FireSmart as well. And the idea is just to kind of, and gets at what Margaret Taylor,

[0:18:55] Trustee Colbourne: Dr. Margaret Taylor talks about in that letter, which is sort of an urgent cry for help in terms

[0:19:01] Trustee Colbourne: of not just to other levels of government but with each other and to new homeowners, new property

[0:19:07] Trustee Colbourne: owners, construction, trades, all the sort of interconnected pieces and have a discussion about

[0:19:13] Trustee Colbourne: trees and how we can take care of them, how we can restore forests, keep contiguous parts of

[0:19:17] Trustee Colbourne: forest together and then talk about some of the regulatory issues or challenges or opportunities.

[0:19:23] Trustee Colbourne: So for example, I really hope that people are writing to the Minister of Municipal Affairs

[0:19:28] Trustee Colbourne: right now saying that this is what matters to me trees matter to me I want the levels of government

[0:19:32] Trustee Colbourne: that I interact with to have the powers necessary to act in a cohesive way according to the science

[0:19:38] Trustee Colbourne: and the traditional knowledge of the place where we find ourselves um so that's sort of um the

[0:19:43] Trustee Colbourne: report and obviously trust programs committee and the policy statement is all tied into that we

[0:19:47] Trustee Colbourne: provided feedback looking at ecological footprint looking at inclusive integrated solutions to these

[0:19:53] Trustee Colbourne: crises in front of us and I'm looking forward to a spring and summer we can step into that

[0:19:56] Trustee Colbourne: in a very community-based, inclusive way, and thanks for the time.

[0:20:07] Trustee Rogers: Thanks to both of you for the work that you do. So I'll just touch on a few things that have been

[0:20:15] Trustee Rogers: going on from my level, my position. I also sit on the Trust Programs Committee. It's sort of

[0:20:22] Trustee Rogers: of unusual but all three of us sit there are on that same committee and um uh and uh we we've all

[0:20:29] Trustee Rogers: put in um relatively lengthy uh comments on the first draft of the trust policy statement

[0:20:36] Trustee Rogers: um and uh we're going to have i don't think we're going to talk in depth about it tomorrow i know

[0:20:43] Trustee Rogers: there's a new schedule plan that would um uh have us have another meeting to to go through

[0:20:50] Trustee Rogers: the amendment in June and then bring the trust policy statement to the trust council in a special

[0:21:00] Trustee Rogers: session in early July. I think the date is being reserved in July the 8th. So that's the best

[0:21:08] Trustee Rogers: proposal in order to not try and rush us through our discussions amongst ourselves about what we

[0:21:16] Trustee Rogers: think should be in the trust policy statement and and finding a way to get to a first draft

[0:21:21] Trustee Rogers: bylaw and i should just say um the stages of that project have been that we there was a a fairly

[0:21:32] Trustee Rogers: elongated uh public process where we sought comments and and uh there were lots there was

[0:21:39] Trustee Rogers: outreach and there was surveys and lots of commentary and lots of emails. And then there

[0:21:48] Trustee Rogers: was some structural decision-making by the Trust Council regarding what's in it and what's not in

[0:21:54] Trustee Rogers: it. And now the staff have gone away for a few months and come up with a draft, a proposed draft.

[0:22:01] Trustee Rogers: So we're at a stage where the Trust Council and trustees, it's at the committee stage where we're

[0:22:06] Trustee Rogers: of discussing what it what it should look like but we're at this sort of this interim what i'll call

[0:22:12] Trustee Rogers: an internal stage when while it's fine for people to comment at this stage what should be clear to

[0:22:17] Trustee Rogers: everybody is uh after we get through a first draft an approved first draft um and maybe even if i

[0:22:24] Trustee Rogers: guess that the proposal is first reading it will then go out for extensive public comment um so

[0:22:30] Trustee Rogers: So there will be lots of opportunity to comment on what you see in the draft bylaw.

[0:22:36] Trustee Rogers: So I know we've gotten a couple of letters that are, and I'm not sure if they're from,

[0:22:42] Trustee Rogers: we've got some notes from Gabriola, but I just wanted to be sure that people said slow down.

[0:22:47] Trustee Rogers: Well, just so you know, it's been a long process and there's a ways to go with it as well.

[0:22:53] Trustee Rogers: Quite a ways to go.

[0:22:54] Trustee Rogers: And we're sort of at this, what I call a bit of an internal working process where we're

[0:22:59] Trustee Rogers: We're trying to work out for ourselves what we've heard and what we think.

[0:23:02] Trustee Rogers: And then we will go back out to the public.

[0:23:06] Trustee Rogers: But just if you're worried that you're not going to get an opportunity to comment, you will have lots of opportunity to comment once we get through this sort of this what I call a middle process where we're trying to get something specific on paper.

[0:23:19] Trustee Rogers: So that's, and tomorrow we have a trust programs committee amongst other things, at least the material from the feedback from all of the trustees or the trustees that gave feedback is in that package you can read what the thoughts are of the various trustees.

[0:23:38] Trustee Rogers: Executive committee is, we're, it's sort of a bit like Groundhog Day we just finished one trust council and we start planning for the next one.

[0:23:48] Trustee Rogers: So we're planning trust council, which is in June.

[0:23:52] Trustee Rogers: And I should tell you the date because we don't meet here again before it's June 8th, 9th and 10th, because our next Gabriola meeting is not till the 17th, I see.

[0:24:06] Trustee Rogers: So 8th, 9th, 10th. And so, again, it'll be virtual.

[0:24:13] Trustee Rogers: The plan, again, is to have a our town hall session on the Tuesday evening.

[0:24:18] Trustee Rogers: that's the we haven't approved the agenda yet but that's the plan we're on right now

[0:24:24] Trustee Rogers: so just be aware of that virtually as we've done in the last couple of meetings

[0:24:30] Trustee Rogers: um else i i've been sitting on a just a bit of a heads up i've been sitting on a provincial

[0:24:38] Trustee Rogers: advisory group um for short-term rentals uh to provide some advice to the province around how to

[0:24:48] Trustee Rogers: how to what steps they can take to regulate or whatever with take steps related to the

[0:24:56] Trustee Rogers: short-term rental market the the and a particularly focus on how it affects

[0:25:06] Trustee Rogers: long-term rentals for lack of a better term I know those terms are not those aren't very

[0:25:12] Trustee Rogers: specific enough terms but that's the the the terminology i'll use so how do short-term rentals

[0:25:18] Trustee Rogers: affect long-term and what kind of regulatory steps or or actions can the province take and so

[0:25:25] Trustee Rogers: um we're we're getting into this talking about there's eight local local governments

[0:25:32] Trustee Rogers: um that uh are are we're invited to join this group um and some of them are large municipalities

[0:25:39] Trustee Rogers: like Burnaby and Vancouver Victoria and some are more resort areas like like Whistler and Tofino

[0:25:46] Trustee Rogers: and some are more rural like ours and and up in the interior and so it's an interesting mix of

[0:25:53] Trustee Rogers: views and opinions some of the information that's coming out of it are it's it's as the mayor of

[0:26:01] Trustee Rogers: Whistler put it we could we better act now because there's a tsunami coming towards us regarding

[0:26:05] Trustee Rogers: short-term rentals and we can either act when we're 10 feet underwater or we can try and do

[0:26:11] Trustee Rogers: something to deal with it now. It was one of the interesting facts that came out of it was

[0:26:18] Trustee Rogers: despite the fact that Airbnb's revenue was about one-tenth of, they used the Marriott hotel chain

[0:26:27] Trustee Rogers: as an example, their market capitalization was about a hundred times what there was for the

[0:26:32] Trustee Rogers: hotels which shows that the the market thinks that the potential for portals like airbnb is

[0:26:39] Trustee Rogers: massive and uh that they just think it's going to be grow exponentially uh so if we so the message

[0:26:46] Trustee Rogers: we've gotten is if you if you think it's a problem now you haven't seen anything yet

[0:26:51] Trustee Rogers: um so you know that's and that's one of the reasons why we have these discussions at our

[0:26:56] Trustee Rogers: our meetings around and one of the proposals

[0:27:03] Trustee Rogers: in the new trust policy statement is to tell,

[0:27:08] Trustee Rogers: just to have a directive policy

[0:27:09] Trustee Rogers: for the local trust committees to regulate

[0:27:13] Trustee Rogers: short-term rentals and make sure they understand

[0:27:16] Trustee Rogers: how that impacts long-term rentals.

[0:27:18] Trustee Rogers: Anyway, that's sort of a bit of an aside,

[0:27:21] Trustee Rogers: except that that's an important discussion

[0:27:23] Trustee Rogers: for all communities.

[0:27:24] Trustee Rogers: And I know that every LTC is struggling

[0:27:26] Trustee Rogers: with our grappling with that issue um the uh i guess that's i don't know that i have anything

[0:27:34] Trustee Rogers: else to report um no i'll just leave it there those things are going on i have a couple things

[0:27:41] Trustee Rogers: to say in 3.4 about first nations but i'll wait till then uh so let's go to i saw that the director

[0:27:49] Trustee Rogers: Craig is with us. Welcome, Director Craig. Always great when you can join us. And how about you give

[0:27:58] Trustee Rogers: us your electoral, I'm always grateful when you can give your report rather than I have to give

[0:28:04] Trustee Rogers: it for you. So anyway, go ahead.

[0:28:06] Voice 8: Way more than you do. Thank you. And thank you again for the

[0:28:12] Voice 8: opportunity to to be here and provide an update. So I did provide a written update. So I'll just

[0:28:17] Voice 8: touch on a couple of the high priority things for me to let you know is that as you can tell

[0:28:24] Voice 8: the village way path is almost complete and based on a lot of community feedback I asked staff to

[0:28:32] Voice 8: check out the visibility at the island home and garden and it has been identified as an issue so

[0:28:37] Voice 8: that will be addressed and they're just developing a plan for that now so that should be happening

[0:28:41] Voice 8: fairly shortly i think um the huxley park tender did receive a qualified bid so that was great and

[0:28:48] Voice 8: and it was quite a it's quite a specialized thing and so it was actually more than one company that

[0:28:54] Voice 8: kind of went in together on the bid because they had to have a four person in a shot creek

[0:28:59] Voice 8: shot crete person who met certain standards and so um it's it's that's the way the specialty

[0:29:06] Voice 8: market is so of course as you might imagine the construction costs are a little bit

[0:29:10] Voice 8: higher so the the important parts the skate park and the and the parking area will be completed as

[0:29:16] Voice 8: planned but the some of the nice to haves maybe like a shade structure or some of the landscaping

[0:29:21] Voice 8: we're going to hold back and see if the site prep costs or we've we've got a contingency so we just

[0:29:27] Voice 8: want to make sure we have enough money so we'll once we get through the first one or two phases

[0:29:31] Voice 8: we'll have a better idea if we can put some of those nice to haves in a little bit further down

[0:29:36] Voice 8: on the line. Electric vehicle charging station. So I'd originally thought of moving it to Huxley

[0:29:43] Voice 8: Park and I asked staff to do a feasibility analysis and just getting more feedback about,

[0:29:49] Voice 8: and the big thing for me is that when there's any development in the core, and I've talked to a few

[0:29:54] Voice 8: businesses that have the thought that they might be doing some development, they will be required

[0:29:59] Voice 8: required to put an electric.

[0:30:00] Voice 8: vehicle charging station as part of the island's trust requirements and so based on that and a few

[0:30:06] Voice 8: other issues I'm going to go back to asking for the charger to be placed at Descanso Bay

[0:30:12] Voice 8: Regional Park and the whole the cabin is being replaced the caretaker's cabin in that area is

[0:30:18] Voice 8: being kind of revamped so it'll I think it'll make sense to put it in there and spread spread

[0:30:25] Voice 8: the opportunities out a little bit more rather than everything being concentrated in the in the

[0:30:31] Voice 8: center um electric uh the electoral area services committee meeting a couple of motions that i

[0:30:39] Voice 8: brought forward i'd just like to let you know these aren't final they have to go to the board

[0:30:42] Voice 8: still i asked staff to prepare a report on tiny homes just to make sure that we get all the

[0:30:48] Voice 8: information so that all of the directors are on the same page and um you know what's happening

[0:30:54] Voice 8: in other areas can we be innovative uh you know what are the barriers at the provincial level or

[0:31:00] Voice 8: the federal level and do we need to advocate or what are the options that we have ourselves to

[0:31:04] Voice 8: do something obviously the land planning options won't apply to gabriola but they might inform

[0:31:09] Voice 8: um some interesting discussions so uh staff is at capacity at the moment so now it's in the queue

[0:31:15] Voice 8: but i don't know when that will happen and i also made a motion for consideration i'm not sure if

[0:31:22] Voice 8: if you know that the Mudge Island property

[0:31:25] Voice 8: where people would kind of park their rowboats

[0:31:27] Voice 8: and their small boats on Mudge Island recently sold.

[0:31:31] Voice 8: And so I asked staff to investigate

[0:31:35] Voice 8: whether or not we could develop

[0:31:36] Voice 8: one of the Mody right-of-ways

[0:31:38] Voice 8: to make it a little bit more accessible for the people,

[0:31:41] Voice 8: but that wouldn't happen until 2022.

[0:31:46] Voice 8: And regional parks and trails strategy,

[0:31:49] Voice 8: it was put on pause because of COVID,

[0:31:51] Voice 8: but it's restarting again and so we're going to be doing more public engagement it's going through

[0:31:58] Voice 8: a bit of an internal thing just as chair rogers was talking about some of the stuff you're doing

[0:32:02] Voice 8: so it's going through an internal process and then it will come back out into the public for more

[0:32:07] Voice 8: input and um regional parks funding allocation i i think i'd mentioned this before just that the

[0:32:16] Voice 8: the board last board received a report but didn't act on it about a change in how regional parks

[0:32:22] Voice 8: could be funded and i asked for an updated report which showed that if we switch to a population

[0:32:27] Voice 8: assessment basis we would pay area b would pay about 26 000 less towards regional parks because

[0:32:34] Voice 8: we've got a lot of parcels and it was a parcel tax before so it meant that anybody with a little

[0:32:39] Voice 8: cottage paid the same amount as somebody with a waterfront home and so the report that we received

[0:32:44] Voice 8: Steve said it's more equitable for these types of public goods for parks to do an assessment

[0:32:51] Voice 8: population-based. So far, it looks like it has some support. I'd like to flag the Parks and

[0:32:57] Voice 8: Open Space Committee is coming up on Monday, and we're actually fortunate that we're going to

[0:33:04] Voice 8: actually have a verbal report from the consultants who've engaged to do the 707

[0:33:09] Voice 8: fuel management assessment and prescription and part of that project the RFP is quite

[0:33:16] Voice 8: complete because part of that will be determining whether or not some of the areas of the park

[0:33:21] Voice 8: might be suitable for homeless camping if they can be if the if the fire risk can be mitigated so

[0:33:29] Voice 8: and that will have a full community engagement process and they'll be speaking to the fire

[0:33:34] Voice 8: department so we'll be having a presentation from that so thank you thanks

[0:33:42] Trustee Rogers: for um your

[0:33:44] Trustee Rogers: wholesome report on your work okay appreciate it um so with that i'm going to turn to 3.4 which is

[0:33:55] Trustee Rogers: the first nations uh reports uh do either of the trustees have anything they'd like to um report on

[0:34:02] Trustee Rogers: for stations in case of any discussion.

[0:34:04] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, Trustee Coyle.

[0:34:05] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, I had a meeting with Sinema

[0:34:07] Trustee Colbourne: that included the Chief, Chief Mike Weiss,

[0:34:10] Trustee Colbourne: Councillor Erland Joseph,

[0:34:12] Trustee Colbourne: Mary Ellen Tappel-LeFong,

[0:34:14] Trustee Colbourne: myself and Lisa Wilcox.

[0:34:16] Trustee Colbourne: Really productive meeting.

[0:34:18] Trustee Colbourne: Again, we're sort of looking at

[0:34:19] Trustee Colbourne: some of the areas of the protocol agreement

[0:34:21] Trustee Colbourne: and how to revive that

[0:34:22] Trustee Colbourne: and where it comes into

[0:34:25] Trustee Colbourne: some of the decision-making

[0:34:26] Trustee Colbourne: in terms of applications and referrals

[0:34:30] Trustee Colbourne: and all that kind of thing.

[0:34:31] Trustee Colbourne: So it was a good meeting, and we've got another one scheduled for June, I believe, between Trust Council and this next LTC.

[0:34:40] Trustee Colbourne: Thank

[0:34:42] Trustee Rogers: you. Trustee Langeris, do you have anything? No. I just wanted to report out on a couple of things that actually I'm not personally part of, but I hear about, which is the work that the Trust is doing generally in relation to engagements with First Nations and Indigenous peoples.

[0:35:10] Trustee Rogers: first of all i mentioned the trust policy statement what i didn't say was is that in

[0:35:16] Trustee Rogers: addition to all the public the you know community engagement that's been done and will be done in

[0:35:21] Trustee Rogers: the future there is an ongoing discussion with a number of first nations um i i shouldn't i

[0:35:30] Trustee Rogers: shouldn't guess how many but a number of them have taken us up on the offer to engage on the

[0:35:35] Trustee Rogers: up on the trust policy statement

[0:35:37] Trustee Rogers: and have made substantive comments on what should

[0:35:42] Trustee Rogers: and should not be in the trust policy statement.

[0:35:45] Trustee Rogers: It's been gratifying that a number of the First Nations

[0:35:52] Trustee Rogers: in the Islands Trust area that for whom this

[0:35:57] Trustee Rogers: is their traditional home have taken up our invitation

[0:36:02] Trustee Rogers: and have been part of that discussion.

[0:36:05] Trustee Rogers: And that will be continuing.

[0:36:08] Trustee Rogers: That's one of the things.

[0:36:10] Trustee Rogers: And I learn constantly, but one of the things I've learned is it's a continuum.

[0:36:16] Trustee Rogers: It's not a point in time type of issue.

[0:36:19] Trustee Rogers: And we'll continue to do that on an ongoing basis,

[0:36:23] Trustee Rogers: including issues of how we involve them more,

[0:36:26] Trustee Rogers: how we involve Indigenous peoples and the local First Nations more

[0:36:30] Trustee Rogers: in our decision-making process.

[0:36:33] Trustee Rogers: The second part of that is,

[0:36:36] Trustee Rogers: and Trustee Langer, I just want to know this,

[0:36:39] Trustee Rogers: and actually Trustee Colburn,

[0:36:42] Trustee Rogers: because he was on the meeting yesterday as well,

[0:36:45] Trustee Rogers: as part of a freshwater strategy process

[0:36:49] Trustee Rogers: that's going on in the regional planning committee,

[0:36:54] Trustee Rogers: the development of a freshwater strategy,

[0:36:56] Trustee Rogers: there's been a strategic round table,

[0:36:59] Trustee Rogers: I think it's been called.

[0:37:01] Trustee Rogers: um and i forget what the acronym sar is but doesn't matter it's a strategic advisory round

[0:37:08] Trustee Rogers: table or something like that anyway uh again um some indigenous uh historical knowledge keepers

[0:37:17] Trustee Rogers: were invited to join that committee and the reports i've had from the folks that have

[0:37:24] Trustee Rogers: been part of that, have been very moving in terms of how effective and

[0:37:38] Trustee Rogers: even visionary, not visionary, how much change it has evoked in terms of how they view the project.

[0:37:46] Trustee Rogers: I heard the consultant talking about that, but yesterday, but at our EC meeting earlier, the CAO was very almost emotional, but talking about how evocative that discussion has been and

[0:38:02] Trustee Rogers: how it has changed the way people look at water and the relationship of communities to water.

[0:38:08] Trustee Rogers: So, you know, this journey is challenging at times, but I think it's not only worthwhile, it's essential, and it's change-making.

[0:38:25] Trustee Rogers: So I just wanted to share that, that that process is happening, not just with us, with this local trust committee, and not just with our senior intergovernmental policy advisor, but the trust as a whole is on this, and in various capacities is doing this work.

[0:38:43] Trustee Rogers: And it's making, I think it's making a difference in the way we approach various things.

[0:38:50] Trustee Rogers: I continually now have conversations about, you know, how we do things and how we approve

[0:38:57] Trustee Rogers: applications and how we do our projects to make sure we're, to try and make sure that

[0:39:03] Trustee Rogers: we're doing it in a respectful and inclusive way.

[0:39:08] Trustee Rogers: So anyway, that's what I wanted to say.

[0:39:10] Trustee Rogers: Thank

[0:39:11] Trustee Colbourne: you for sharing that.

[0:39:11] Trustee Rogers: I

[0:39:11] Trustee Colbourne: just wanted to provide, so Sunimuk has signed up to be one of the reviewers of the policy

[0:39:19] Trustee Colbourne: statement draft, so I

[0:39:20] Trustee Colbourne: think that's an excellent step forward in terms of being involved in that

[0:39:23] Trustee Colbourne: decision-making, and thank you for sharing that, Chair Rogers. I agree

[0:39:26] Trustee Colbourne: with you completely.

[0:39:27] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, Trustee Langer.

[0:39:28] Voice 14: Yeah, I was just going to say, one of the, there was a slide that was shown

[0:39:31] Voice 14: with some statements by some of the First Nations, and one that caught my attention really is

[0:39:36] Voice 14: water is relationship right

[0:39:38] Trustee Rogers: it's not

[0:39:39] Trustee Rogers: it's not a resource it's a relationship

[0:39:41] Trustee Rogers: i

[0:39:42] Voice 14: saw

[0:39:43] Trustee Rogers: that one too and i went never thought of it that way no i know

[0:39:47] Trustee Rogers: and um so you know

[0:39:50] Trustee Rogers: challenges a lot of the ways all of us were brought up or at least i was anyway i'll speak

[0:39:55] Trustee Rogers: for myself a lot of us were brought up and it's it's very it's very invocative anyway thank you

[0:40:01] Trustee Rogers: that's what I wanted to share. We'll continue that work and continue to report out and encourage

[0:40:10] Trustee Rogers: people to do the same. So that brings us now to the Town Hall. I know we have a couple of

[0:40:18] Trustee Rogers: delegations later, we'll get to you. This is your opportunity to speak to the Local Trust Committee

[0:40:24] Trustee Rogers: about any item that's on our agenda or any item that you wish to, you think we should hear about

[0:40:30] Trustee Rogers: that relates to the work that we do.

[0:40:33] Trustee Rogers: If you want to speak to the local trust committee,

[0:40:36] Trustee Rogers: please raise your virtual hand.

[0:40:41] Trustee Rogers: There should be a button on the bottom of your screen

[0:40:44] Trustee Rogers: if you're here on the webinar

[0:40:46] Trustee Rogers: and I will make it possible for you.

[0:40:49] Trustee Rogers: Will will make it possible for you to be heard

[0:40:53] Trustee Rogers: and seen if you wish.

[0:40:54] Trustee Rogers: So could I see if anybody, I'm not seeing any hands yet.

[0:40:58] Trustee Rogers: yet um does anybody wish to address the

[0:41:02] Voice 19: local trust committee in the town hall per se i just

[0:41:12] Voice 19: like to wait a minute because occasionally

[0:41:14] Trustee Rogers: people have technical issues or there can be occasionally

[0:41:18] Trustee Rogers: a delay in the um

[0:41:19] Voice 19: uh in the uh well uh

[0:41:27] Trustee Rogers: quiet group this morning i don't see anybody with their hand

[0:41:30] Trustee Rogers: and up, so we'll move on.

[0:41:32] Trustee Rogers: Thank you for attending.

[0:41:36] Trustee Rogers: So we're going to move then into the package itself.

[0:41:41] Trustee Rogers: We have the local trust committee meetings,

[0:41:44] Trustee Rogers: minutes of 5.1 dated April 15th for adoption.

[0:41:49] Trustee Rogers: Are there any changes or amendments

[0:41:51] Trustee Rogers: to the local, to the LTC minutes?

[0:41:54] Trustee Rogers: Nothing from you, Trustee Calderon, nothing from you,

[0:41:57] Trustee Rogers: then I'll take those adopted.

[0:41:58] Trustee Rogers: that there are no resolutions with,

[0:42:00] Trustee Rogers: sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself.

[0:42:02] Trustee Rogers: I'll take those adopted by consent.

[0:42:05] Trustee Rogers: There are no resolutions without meetings

[0:42:07] Trustee Rogers: or any advisory planning commission minutes.

[0:42:10] Trustee Rogers: So then we're into the 6.1 on page 13 of the agenda,

[0:42:15] Trustee Rogers: which is the follow-up action list.

[0:42:20] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[0:42:21] Trustee Rogers: There it is.

[0:42:23] Trustee Rogers: Are there any questions for any of the staff

[0:42:29] Trustee Rogers: from the trustees related to the follow-up action list.

[0:42:33] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, Trustee Langer.

[0:42:35] Voice 14: Just about the Huxley Park and the tree planting plan.

[0:42:41] Voice 14: Is that, is there any indication

[0:42:44] Voice 14: as to when that would be starting

[0:42:45] Voice 14: or how it'd be carried out?

[0:42:50] Trustee Rogers: I'm not sure who of our staff there's RPM tower.

[0:42:55] Voice 7: the answer is no we're no updates on that one yet that

[0:43:01] Trustee Rogers: might have been a question for director craig

[0:43:03] Trustee Rogers: is because she did say some of the quote landscaping might be delayed i didn't know

[0:43:10] Trustee Rogers: by landscaping whether that included the plan to plant trees and do you know the answer that

[0:43:15] Trustee Rogers: director craig you don't mind the

[0:43:17] Voice 8: tree planting would definitely occur the landscaping was more

[0:43:21] Voice 8: Or there was some plans between the lacrosse box and the tennis courts to do some kind of landscaping and things.

[0:43:28] Voice 8: But the tree planting as part of the development variance permit would definitely go ahead.

[0:43:35] Trustee Rogers: And so that would all be part of whatever the project timing that you talked about in your report would occur.

[0:43:44] Trustee Rogers: Is that correct?

[0:43:45] Voice 8: Yeah, it would be staff who would know more about when the tree planting will occur.

[0:43:50] Voice 8: but I'm assuming there's a requirement for certain once the project has started there's

[0:43:56] Voice 8: probably a requirement to get the trees trees in the ground it'll

[0:44:00] Voice 14: be depend on the time of the

[0:44:02] Voice 14: year too you won't be doing it mid-summer for sure yeah

[0:44:05] Voice 8: you want to plant it when it has a good chance

[0:44:06] Voice 8: of survival.

[0:44:10] Trustee Colbourne: I'm just I know the RDN is working towards a tree replacement program for projects

[0:44:14] Trustee Colbourne: like this and others I'm just I'm not exactly sure where that is at in terms of stage of

[0:44:19] Trustee Colbourne: development uh

[0:44:22] Voice 8: for the policy yeah yeah

[0:44:25] Voice 8: we have a new policy which which talks about uh tree

[0:44:29] Voice 8: planting it's um yeah it it's so if if trees are removed for operational purposes so if there's

[0:44:38] Voice 8: there's trees removed for a parking lot or something like that it doesn't count for danger

[0:44:43] Voice 8: trees or or things

[0:44:44] Voice 8: like that excellent

[0:44:48] Trustee Rogers: okay thanks anything else thank you for helping us out there

[0:44:54] Trustee Rogers: there, Director Frege.

[0:44:54] Trustee Rogers: Anything else from the follow-up action list

[0:44:56] Trustee Rogers: from either of the trustees?

[0:45:00] Trustee Colbourne: I was just going to wonder about the welcome wagon

[0:45:02] Trustee Colbourne: and having materials produced for newcomers.

[0:45:06] Trustee Colbourne: And I know the communications department at the trust

[0:45:08] Trustee Colbourne: has been quite focused on the new website,

[0:45:10] Trustee Colbourne: which is up and sort of been soft launched,

[0:45:13] Trustee Colbourne: but I'm wondering if we have material yet

[0:45:15] Trustee Colbourne: that we can put into that, the welcome program.

[0:45:23] Trustee Rogers: I don't know if there's any staff

[0:45:25] Trustee Rogers: that wants direct answer that but what i can recall being told by the director um of trust

[0:45:32] Trustee Rogers: area services is that they were they were waiting until they had the website up in the material and

[0:45:38] Trustee Rogers: the sort of all the graphics and all that all the way and then and as you may recall in the budget

[0:45:42] Trustee Rogers: we put we put some money into the budget for that that type of informational but i'm pretty sure

[0:45:49] Trustee Rogers: they haven't gotten around to it yet um what i would suggest is tomorrow at the uh tpc meeting

[0:45:57] Trustee Rogers: just that you uh ask that question about when that might be coming up because the director

[0:46:02] Trustee Rogers: will be there and she'll be able to do a clearer answer okay

[0:46:06] Trustee Colbourne: and just on the transportation on the

[0:46:09] Trustee Colbourne: on the village to ferry i guess that will come up in projects this later i know there's an update

[0:46:14] Trustee Colbourne: date but um um i'm wondering if that i guess that'll come later in the agenda right uh is if

[0:46:22] Trustee Rogers: i think it's on the project list so you can ask about it then i feel like

[0:46:25] Trustee Colbourne: or i'm just wondering

[0:46:26] Trustee Colbourne: if you want to do the update now or do it later because it is one of the follow-up items and i

[0:46:28] Trustee Colbourne: believe there's an update in terms of okay

[0:46:30] Trustee Rogers: i'm not sure who who's managing that is the rpm or

[0:46:35] Trustee Rogers: planner zupanich

[0:46:36] Voice 19: yeah um i don't know if sonya's with us hi yeah can

[0:46:49] Trustee Rogers: you provide a brief update

[0:46:51] Trustee Rogers: Sure.

[0:46:52] Planner Zupanec: So what we've done is contracted with the Vancouver Island University Masters of Community Planning Department under the direction of Pamela Shaw, the director, to undertake the consultant portion of the contract.

[0:47:09] Planner Zupanec: and that begins on may 15th um so the that group which may be a handful of sub consultants under

[0:47:23] Planner Zupanec: her direction will be in touch with the key stakeholders on gabriela island to set up

[0:47:28] Planner Zupanec: opportunities for interviews and meetings to discuss the deliverables which are spelled out

[0:47:36] Planner Zupanec: out in the contract, including stakeholder meetings,

[0:47:41] Planner Zupanec: engagement with First Nations,

[0:47:42] Planner Zupanec: and then preparing a pretty comprehensive report

[0:47:45] Planner Zupanec: of recommendations to back to the local trust committee

[0:47:50] Planner Zupanec: on options.

[0:47:54] Planner Zupanec: So we're glad that that's moving forward.

[0:47:58] Trustee Colbourne: Okay, that answer your question, Trustee Colbert?

[0:48:01] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, absolutely.

[0:48:01] Trustee Colbourne: And I've gone back to some of the community members

[0:48:03] Trustee Colbourne: in the Healthy Transportation Network

[0:48:05] Trustee Colbourne: and Sustainable Gabriela members who contributed

[0:48:07] Trustee Colbourne: to putting that application forward

[0:48:09] Trustee Colbourne: in concert with the trust

[0:48:11] Trustee Colbourne: and they've made a commitment to be involved

[0:48:13] Trustee Colbourne: and to provide some oversight

[0:48:14] Trustee Colbourne: and I know Sineamuk has expressed some interest as well

[0:48:17] Trustee Colbourne: and I know that's part of the application

[0:48:19] Trustee Colbourne: so thanks for that

[0:48:20] Trustee Colbourne: I was also hoping maybe not at this meeting

[0:48:23] Trustee Colbourne: but if we could maybe put it up

[0:48:24] Trustee Colbourne: on the

[0:48:24] Trustee Colbourne: follow-up action list

[0:48:25] Trustee Colbourne: to get a not just a report

[0:48:28] Trustee Colbourne: but maybe just a verbal update

[0:48:29] Trustee Colbourne: on what's happening with the social needs assessment

[0:48:31] Trustee Colbourne: and that grant project

[0:48:32] Trustee Colbourne: which you know Gabriola LTC is part of

[0:48:35] Trustee Colbourne: and helped initiate for a social needs assessment

[0:48:37] Trustee Colbourne: and poverty reduction strategy

[0:48:39] Trustee Colbourne: and just kind of an update on where that stands.

[0:48:44] Trustee Colbourne: Maybe at the June meeting?

[0:48:50] Trustee Rogers: Okay, I saw the RPM put her thumb up

[0:48:52] Trustee Rogers: and say the June meeting.

[0:48:54] Trustee Rogers: So until that, I don't think we need any,

[0:48:58] Trustee Rogers: so we will look forward to that kind of update.

[0:49:01] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thanks very much.

[0:49:03] Trustee Rogers: Anything else from the follow-up action report?

[0:49:06] Trustee Rogers: Nothing from either of you?

[0:49:08] Trustee Rogers: Okay, well, thank you very much.

[0:49:11] Trustee Rogers: so the next thing we have um is item seven on the agenda uh page 17 of the of the uh of the agenda

[0:49:21] Trustee Rogers: package sorry yeah item 7.1 which is the coming back with the referral from the regional district

[0:49:27] Trustee Rogers: of nanaimo regarding the um amendment to the nanaimo airport lands um so they met you for

[0:49:35] Trustee Rogers: for those of you watching,

[0:49:37] Trustee Rogers: we had this on our agenda the last time in April,

[0:49:40] Trustee Rogers: and they've asked that they referred the package,

[0:49:42] Trustee Rogers: the application to us.

[0:49:46] Trustee Rogers: There was some discussion about how to respond

[0:49:49] Trustee Rogers: and the trustees wanted to go away and think about it

[0:49:51] Trustee Rogers: and perhaps do some more investigation.

[0:49:53] Trustee Rogers: We heard from one member of the public related to this

[0:49:57] Trustee Rogers: in our town hall last month.

[0:49:59] Trustee Rogers: And so it's back here.

[0:50:01] Trustee Rogers: I think they've asked for a response

[0:50:02] Trustee Rogers: as to whether there's anything I should say that

[0:50:05] Trustee Rogers: I did check with the director of planning and senior staff as to whether there had been any referral or any action taken by the trust as a whole, and the answer was no.

[0:50:18] Trustee Rogers: So, anyway, over to the trustees.

[0:50:20] Trustee Rogers: I'm not sure how you wish to address this.

[0:50:23] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Longress, do you have?

[0:50:25] Voice 14: Yeah, okay.

[0:50:26] Voice 14: Yeah, I've read through the report and read some of the background information that was given.

[0:50:34] Voice 14: And basically, this developed this change is really intended to facilitate large airplanes landing and fueling at this airport.

[0:50:48] Voice 14: So they're expanding the service as to facilitate, I guess, the congestion at the Vancouver airport.

[0:50:55] Voice 14: So we're going to be subject to larger aircraft flying over or near Gabriola.

[0:51:02] Voice 14: And this is one of the, Gabriel and a number of the Gulf Islands are noise sensitive areas.

[0:51:10] Voice 14: And there was a couple of documents by Transport Canada as well about the need for, you know, be careful of the noise impact on the island.

[0:51:26] Voice 14: So I'm not really in support of this expansion of the airport to facilitate larger 747s or whatever they're called now.

[0:51:36] Voice 14: An increase of that, landing here, taking off, going to Vancouver.

[0:51:41] Voice 14: And so to me, it's an expansion of an airport at a time of climate change where air travel is a contributor to greenhouse gases.

[0:51:54] Voice 14: I'm not sure why we're expanding airports so I'm basically not in support I have concerns about it

[0:52:02] Voice 14: that's my view. Trustee Colbert do

[0:52:08] Trustee Colbourne: you have anything? I would share those concerns with

[0:52:12] Trustee Colbourne: noise disruptions and safety concerns the trust in the past has asked that airport specifically

[0:52:21] Trustee Colbourne: Mayor Mrakas, specifically through transport Canada to make sure that roots are not over the island i've heard a lot of feedback from islanders, especially in the descanso valley see meadow area, who have been have noticed a real uptake in terms of the.

[0:52:40] Trustee Colbourne: Mayor Mrakas, Noise disruption, so I would like to raise that as a as an issue with if we're given an opportunity in a referral response so safety and noise.

[0:52:49] Trustee Colbourne: so

[0:52:51] Trustee Rogers: they have asked so the rdn has asked us for uh a has referred this and asked us if we have

[0:52:58] Trustee Rogers: a response we wish to make to um the application i mean i hear you completely related to your

[0:53:09] Trustee Rogers: considerations and share them uh this is a rezoning of the property uh or the the bylaws

[0:53:16] Trustee Rogers: or an amendment to their bylaws to rezone this,

[0:53:20] Trustee Rogers: I guess the airport authority would have to apply

[0:53:23] Trustee Rogers: to expand their services

[0:53:28] Trustee Rogers: through whatever that process looks like.

[0:53:31] Trustee Rogers: I'm guessing it's through Transport Canada once,

[0:53:34] Trustee Rogers: but I don't know the answer to that question.

[0:53:36] Trustee Rogers: But am I hearing you both say

[0:53:39] Trustee Rogers: that you're not in favor of the rezoning

[0:53:44] Trustee Rogers: that the RDN is doing because it could facilitate

[0:53:48] Trustee Rogers: a larger airport, is that effectively what you're saying?

[0:53:51] Trustee Rogers: I'm not quite sure how we would develop a response

[0:53:56] Trustee Rogers: or whether we want to develop a response.

[0:54:00] Voice 14: Maybe the redevelopment, the change in zoning

[0:54:04] Voice 14: is to facilitate for accommodation for airline staff.

[0:54:10] Voice 14: That's part of the plan.

[0:54:11] Voice 14: I mean, they wanted to expand it to facilitate

[0:54:13] Voice 14: for when the larger planes are coming to refuel

[0:54:16] Voice 14: that they will have a place to stay.

[0:54:19] Voice 14: I mean, it's all preliminary work for the longer term plan

[0:54:23] Voice 14: to expand the airport and allow for the larger,

[0:54:27] Voice 14: the longer haul planes from wherever to land there

[0:54:33] Voice 14: rather than going directly to Vancouver airport.

[0:54:37] Voice 14: And refueling, they're gonna be refueling planes there

[0:54:43] Voice 14: is my understanding so and I know there's some groundwater issues around in that area that has

[0:54:49] Voice 14: been raised so there's a high water table apparently there high water table.

[0:54:55] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah I think

[0:54:56] Voice 14: I

[0:54:56] Trustee Colbourne: think it's

[0:54:57] Voice 14: difficult to kind

[0:54:58] Trustee Colbourne: of say like I'm we're against this particular aspect of the

[0:55:01] Trustee Colbourne: rezoning but I want to make sure that we express the the views of community members around noise

[0:55:08] Trustee Colbourne: the disruptions and safety issues that come with any size plane, but especially larger planes.

[0:55:15] Trustee Colbourne: And also just make sure that Gabriela and Mudge and DeCourcy and these islands are part of their

[0:55:20] Trustee Colbourne: public consultation process. We kind of had to put our hand up here, I feel like, to be part of this,

[0:55:25] Trustee Colbourne: and it came later in the process. So I think a response that gets across those concerns and

[0:55:32] Trustee Colbourne: and the requests that work around the airport

[0:55:36] Trustee Colbourne: takes into account the surrounding coastal communities.

[0:55:39] Voice 14: Yeah, if you look at where the airport is

[0:55:42] Voice 14: and where Vancouver Airport is and where Gabrielia is,

[0:55:46] Voice 14: when they're taken off,

[0:55:47] Voice 14: they're gonna be flying over Gabrielia to some degree,

[0:55:51] Voice 14: depending on, I guess, the traffic

[0:55:52] Voice 14: that's occurring at the time.

[0:55:56] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, I mean,

[0:55:57] Trustee Rogers: my understanding is not

[0:56:00] Trustee Rogers: Not the large planes for refueling, but rather that they're trying to develop an ability to bring in domestic planes from farther afield because most of the flights now come from Vancouver.

[0:56:18] Trustee Rogers: hoover and and much the way that comox and places like that have direct flights from saskatoon and

[0:56:25] Trustee Rogers: regina and edmonton and calgary and places like that or even from toronto um so people can ask

[0:56:32] Trustee Rogers: they can become one of those access points from other parts of the country and maybe even the u.s

[0:56:37] Trustee Rogers: i suppose but in any case i don't disagree that probably this is all part of preparatory work

[0:56:44] Trustee Rogers: i hadn't thought about the fact that they wanted that commercial strip for a hotel for the airline

[0:56:49] Trustee Rogers: staff um but that makes some sense um but um because otherwise they have to drive whatever

[0:56:56] Trustee Rogers: it is into nanaimo to put up the airlines down if that's what the plan is uh okay so but so this

[0:57:04] Trustee Rogers: is a referral from the regional district of nanaimo not from transport canada or from the

[0:57:10] Trustee Rogers: airport authority um and your considerations i think are would be shared by a lot of the people

[0:57:18] Trustee Rogers: on the island and uh so my question is how do we reply to the rdn regarding their referral to to

[0:57:28] Trustee Rogers: the local trust committee um about this rezoning and because keeping in mind that that once

[0:57:36] Trustee Rogers: Once, you know, that they don't have any control, as I understand it, under jurisdictional thing over the actual land that's owned by the airport authority, that's the federal jurisdiction.

[0:57:46] Trustee Rogers: Once you're into the aeronautics part, it's the federal jurisdiction, but they're rezoning some land around it to facilitate, presumably, what the plans of the NIMO airport are and

[0:58:01] Trustee Rogers: to regularize it, because I gather there's some issues that it's not zoned properly.

[0:58:04] Trustee Rogers: Well, how do we respond to the RDN?

[0:58:07] Voice 14: Well, the RDN is involved, as I understand it, because the Nanaimo Airport Commission is a private entity.

[0:58:15] Voice 14: They own the land.

[0:58:16] Voice 14: And that's why I guess previously it was owned by Transport Canada.

[0:58:19] Voice 14: And so the feds control the land.

[0:58:22] Voice 14: It was federal land at that point in time.

[0:58:24] Voice 14: But now it's private land owned by the commission, although they operate as a Transport Canada regulated service.

[0:58:33] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, right.

[0:58:33] Trustee Rogers: Right. I appreciate that. And they clearly are asking the regional district to rezone the land.

[0:58:41] Trustee Rogers: The regional district in NIMO can't control the actual operation.

[0:58:45] Trustee Rogers: I mean, you get to the point where it crosses the line into aeronautics, which is federal jurisdiction, away from what's not.

[0:58:53] Trustee Rogers: So they can probably control how a hotel operates, but they can't control the actual operation of the airport, if you get my drift.

[0:59:00] Trustee Rogers: anyway this is what this is is a rezoning application uh i mean am i hearing you say

[0:59:08] Trustee Rogers: you want to indicate that you object to any rezoning that would facilitate a

[0:59:13] Trustee Rogers: a an expansion of the airport basically yeah um well if you want to do that i think what you should

[0:59:26] Trustee Rogers: do is to make a motion to that effect or someone should make a motion to that effect and and then

[0:59:34] Trustee Rogers: develop a way to draft a letter that can be executed and sent to the to the to the

[0:59:45] Trustee Rogers: regional district of Nanaimo.

[0:59:48] Trustee Colbourne: I'd be the problem here is that like what they're actually asking

[0:59:52] Trustee Colbourne: for in this rezoning is is kind of disconnected from several of the issues that we're talking

[0:59:56] Trustee Colbourne: about here exactly i i would i would like to send a letter

[1:00:00] Trustee Colbourne: yeah i mean to get beyond the may 24th deadline and the response to this is is um a referral

[1:00:06] Trustee Colbourne: response this is this isn't one of those check marks right where you just say yes no this this

[1:00:10] Trustee Colbourne: would provide an opportunity for us to um to provide like bring up the noise bring up the

[1:00:15] Trustee Colbourne: disruption and safety issues bring up concerns around process and making sure that um islanders

[1:00:21] Trustee Colbourne: and coastal communities are are part of their consultation on these changes and then to cc

[1:00:25] Trustee Colbourne: that to Transport Canada um to make sure that they're aware that um of those issues um I don't

[1:00:33] Trustee Colbourne: think for me it doesn't have to be a yay or nay on a what looks on its surface to be a technical

[1:00:39] Trustee Colbourne: rezoning um outside the boundaries of the airport itself but um it's it's all sort of interconnected

[1:00:45] Trustee Colbourne: so so

[1:00:46] Trustee Rogers: you'd like to send a to develop and send a letter to uh the regional district of Nanaimo

[1:00:53] Trustee Rogers: and transport canada and any other relevant agency that raises the concerns we've been

[1:00:59] Trustee Rogers: talking about basically about expansion impact on the community um uh you know climate change

[1:01:08] Trustee Rogers: uh you know that those sorts of things so how do

[1:01:11] Trustee Rogers: we go about developing that letter because that's

[1:01:14] Trustee Rogers: not a really uh a staff technical response it's a political letter uh so it would be drafted by

[1:01:21] Trustee Rogers: a politician presumably and and you know and checked over for appropriateness and and then

[1:01:27] Trustee Rogers: sent out does one of you want to take a stab at drafting something like that and send it out under

[1:01:32] Trustee Rogers: the chair's signature or do you do what how do you would you like to do that or i can take i can

[1:01:39] Trustee Rogers: take a stab at drafting it if you'd like me to but i that you guys are expressing the the issues here

[1:01:45] Trustee Rogers: or more than i am yeah

[1:01:47] Voice 14: yeah we could work it out i think that scott and i yeah i'll take a stab at

[1:01:54] Voice 14: it

[1:01:54] Trustee Colbourne: i don't think it has to be an exhaustive no uh letter it's really

[1:01:57] Voice 14: just a few paragraphs

[1:01:58] Trustee Colbourne: expressing right

[1:01:59] Voice 14: because all they've asked for is just comments right okay

[1:02:02] Trustee Rogers: so why don't uh we make

[1:02:04] Trustee Rogers: we pass a motion that uh that the the ltc will respond to the redistrict and the dean if you

[1:02:12] Trustee Rogers: could follow me here and then we'll get let's even get some language that works but the ltc will um

[1:02:18] Trustee Rogers: uh respond to the the rdn referral uh with correspondents setting out community concerns

[1:02:27] Trustee Rogers: related to um uh an expanded airport and impact on the the island community or something of that

[1:02:38] Trustee Rogers: matter of fact yeah Nadine could you just sort of just don't skip why don't you give me back what

[1:02:45] Trustee Rogers: you got there and and we'll see if we can get someone to make that motion

[1:02:49] Voice 15: okay the LTC do

[1:02:51] Voice 15: respond to the RDN referral and I'll put in the RDN bylaw number in that with a correspondence

[1:03:01] Voice 15: regarding community concerns about an expanded airport and impact on the community

[1:03:09] Trustee Rogers: yeah um so let's let's change that a little bit and say uh under the signature of the chair

[1:03:20] Trustee Rogers: and then at the end to make put maybe put a second sentence is the

[1:03:26] Trustee Rogers: correspondence to be drafted by uh trustees okay okay so does that work and if you guys

[1:03:38] Trustee Rogers: work on something and then send it to me uh i can get eventually once i'm doing an agreement i can

[1:03:44] Trustee Rogers: get um uh will or penny or becky or someone to put it on letterhead and head it out to the

[1:03:50] Trustee Rogers: appropriate okay and i'll make sure it's copied and you can also indicate who you'd like a copy

[1:03:55] Trustee Rogers: to besides transport yeah okay

[1:03:58] Voice 3: so

[1:03:59] Trustee Rogers: you may you'll make that motion trustee language seconded by

[1:04:02] Trustee Rogers: trustee colburn yeah okay

[1:04:04] Trustee Rogers: all in favor unanimously thanks very much guys um next item on our agenda

[1:04:11] Trustee Rogers: And is page 22, which is the pages restored.

[1:04:20] Trustee Rogers: And I think that plan is infinite.

[1:04:24] Trustee Rogers: That's correct.

[1:04:26] Trustee Rogers: Sorry, Trustee Langer has had to step away.

[1:04:28] Trustee Rogers: So we'll just take a moment for him to get back.

[1:04:30] Planner Zupanec: Okay, thank you.

[1:04:31] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, do you want to take just a five minute break here?

[1:04:34] Trustee Rogers: Sure, sure, sure.

[1:04:35] Trustee Rogers: I think five minutes and we'll come back

[1:04:36] Trustee Rogers: and we'll start right there.

[1:04:37] Trustee Rogers: Thanks a lot.

[1:05:13] Trustee Rogers: Case, we just stepped down for five minutes.

[1:05:16] Trustee Rogers: oh

[1:05:17] Voice 14: okay sorry

[1:05:18] Trustee Rogers: we just thought we'd take a five minute that's okay

[1:05:21] Voice 14: yeah

[1:05:22] Voice 19: thanks all right as soon as everybody's back we'll start up again i see thanks nadine

[1:08:43] Voice 19: so planner is up and into here with us yes

[1:09:10] Planner Zupanec: okay bringing up the right screen thanks one

[1:09:14] Planner Zupanec: so on behalf of planner mahikwa this is the rezoning application report for gloria hatfield

[1:09:26] Planner Zupanec: Ken Hatfield, Phyllis Reeve for the Pages Marina and the LTC is requested to consider

[1:09:37] Planner Zupanec: four specific recommendations today pertaining to draft bylaw number 309 to amend the Gabriel

[1:09:44] Planner Zupanec: Island land use bylaw to permit retail sale of liquor and other alcoholic goods on the subject

[1:09:50] Planner Zupanec: property so the direction from the local trust committee was to explore options to advance

[1:09:59] Planner Zupanec: the draft bylaws and the planner has provided those options for you here in terms of recommending

[1:10:09] Planner Zupanec: first and second reading today waiving the public hearing and proceeding with public notification of

[1:10:17] Planner Zupanec: of the waiver and no agency or personation referrals.

[1:10:24] Planner Zupanec: So I'm happy to answer any questions that you have

[1:10:27] Planner Zupanec: about the analysis, the draft bylaw,

[1:10:30] Planner Zupanec: but it's a pretty comprehensive report here.

[1:10:32] Planner Zupanec: So I'll leave it to you to decide what information

[1:10:35] Planner Zupanec: you require today.

[1:10:36] Planner Zupanec: Thanks.

[1:10:37] Planner Zupanec: Thanks,

[1:10:38] Trustee Rogers: I'm sorry, I was remiss at the beginning

[1:10:40] Trustee Rogers: of indicating that I recognize that the applicant

[1:10:44] Trustee Rogers: Kent is with us. And we'll have an opportunity to speak to the local trust committee if you wish. So

[1:10:53] Trustee Rogers: Will, could you promote, I saw Gloria Hatfield there. You could, I'm not sure if there's anybody

[1:10:59] Trustee Rogers: else that wishes to speak. So what we'll do is we'll just ask, I'll ask the trustees whether

[1:11:04] Trustee Rogers: there's anything they wish to ask the planner related to this, the report. Trustees, trustee

[1:11:14] Trustee Rogers: Yeah,

[1:11:15] Voice 14: I just had one question around the First Nation referral, and it says that staff consulted

[1:11:24] Voice 14: with the intergovernmental policy advisor and had no concern that they felt it wasn't

[1:11:30] Voice 14: necessary to refer them.

[1:11:32] Voice 14: So that was the intergovernmental policy advisor's sort of advice, I guess, he gave, that it's

[1:11:38] Voice 14: of such a minor nature and doesn't affect land use.

[1:11:42] Voice 14: Correct.

[1:11:42] Voice 14: Yeah, okay.

[1:11:46] Trustee Rogers: Hello, Ms. Hadfield, I'll come to you in a moment.

[1:11:49] Trustee Rogers: Any other questions from the trustees for the planner?

[1:11:55] Trustee Rogers: Seeing nothing, perhaps I'll just, Ms. Hadfield,

[1:12:00] Trustee Rogers: you've seen the recommendations from the planner

[1:12:04] Trustee Rogers: and comment and you've seen the staff report.

[1:12:06] Trustee Rogers: Is there anything you wish us to know

[1:12:07] Trustee Rogers: before we discuss this?

[1:12:09] Trustee Rogers: Assume you agree with the recommendations.

[1:12:12] Voice 13: I do agree with the recommendation.

[1:12:14] Voice 13: the recommendation again I appreciate the work from the planner on this and all of your consideration, so I am. I'm good unless you have more questions of me.

[1:12:23] Trustee Rogers: Okay, I'll just see if they do the trustees have questions for the applicant.

[1:12:28] Trustee Rogers: I'm not seeing any. So does anybody wish to make motions.

[1:12:32] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, yeah trustee colon yeah

[1:12:37] Trustee Colbourne: trustee longer ice raised my yeah that was i'm going to put for the motion i'm just scrolling to it, I lost it for a second.

[1:12:46] Trustee Colbourne: Mayor Mrakas, And I think the Lisa wilcox senior to governmental policy advisor for providing some direction here and thanks to staff for the work, so I found it.

[1:12:55] Trustee Colbourne: I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee has reviewed the Island's Trust Policy Statement Directive's only checklist and determined that Bylaw No. 309 cited as Gabriel Island Land Use Bylaw 1999 Amendment No. 1, 2021, is not contrary to or at variance with the Island's Trust Policy Statement.

[1:13:11] Trustee Colbourne: Is there a seconder?

[1:13:12] Voice 14: I'll second it.

[1:13:13] Trustee Colbourne: Okay.

[1:13:14] Trustee Rogers: Any discussion from the trustees?

[1:13:17] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, no, this is

[1:13:18] Trustee Colbourne: fairly, this is just sort of alignment of the map to kind of bring it

[1:13:24] Trustee Colbourne: up to date. And I'm glad it's moving through at the pace it is. I think it's quite cosmetic

[1:13:33] Trustee Colbourne: in nature.

[1:13:36] Trustee Colbourne: Okay. I'll

[1:13:36] Trustee Rogers: call the question. Oh,

[1:13:38] Trustee Rogers: sorry. Did you want to say something? Okay. All in favor?

[1:13:42] Trustee Rogers: Okay. There's a second motion.

[1:13:43] Trustee Rogers: Okay,

[1:13:44] Voice 14: go

[1:13:45] Trustee Rogers: ahead. Okay,

[1:13:46] Voice 14: I moved at the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee bylaw number 309

[1:13:51] Voice 14: cited as Gabriel Island land use bylaw 1999 amendment number one 2021 be read the first time.

[1:13:59] Trustee Rogers: That's been seconded. Any discussion? If not, I'll call the vote all in favor.

[1:14:03] Trustee Rogers: So that passes unanimously. There's a third motion. Okay, I'll do.

[1:14:09] Voice 14: I moved at the Gabriel

[1:14:11] Voice 14: Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee by-law number 309

[1:14:14] Voice 14: cited as Gabriel Island land use by-law 1999,

[1:14:17] Voice 14: amendment number 1, 2021 be read a second time.

[1:14:22] Trustee Rogers: Seconded, there was no discussion, all in favor.

[1:14:27] Trustee Rogers: And there's

[1:14:28] Trustee Colbourne: fourth motion, Trustee Colburn.

[1:14:29] Trustee Colbourne: Sure, I'll move that the Gabriel Island

[1:14:31] Trustee Colbourne: Local Trust Committee waive the requirement

[1:14:33] Trustee Colbourne: for a public hearing on by-law number 309

[1:14:34] Trustee Colbourne: cited as Gabriel Island land use by-law 1999

[1:14:37] Trustee Colbourne: amendment number 1, 2021 as the

[1:14:39] Voice 1: by-law is consistent

[1:14:40] Trustee Colbourne: with the Gabriel Island Official Community Plan

[1:14:42] Trustee Colbourne: number 166-1997 and request staff to proceed

[1:14:46] Trustee Colbourne: with public notification as per section 467

[1:14:48] Trustee Colbourne: of the Local Government Act.

[1:14:50] Trustee Colbourne: Okay, and

[1:14:52] Trustee Rogers: that's been seconded.

[1:14:54] Trustee Rogers: And just, I'll just comment that for the purposes,

[1:14:58] Trustee Rogers: this is an authority we have to not have a public hearing

[1:15:01] Trustee Rogers: despite we're amending the level of dialogue

[1:15:03] Trustee Rogers: and it will come back to us after the notification period.

[1:15:06] Trustee Rogers: I assume in June, would it come back by then?

[1:15:13] Planner Zupanec: uh sorry could you repeat that sorry

[1:15:15] Trustee Rogers: i just want when would it well how long is the notification

[1:15:18] Trustee Rogers: period and when would this come back to us like for the third and thanks

[1:15:21] Planner Zupanec: so the ironically the

[1:15:24] Planner Zupanec: notification period is the same as if you were holding a public hearing so once staff gets the

[1:15:31] Planner Zupanec: notification out we have to give the same amount of time as we would which is two consecutive ads

[1:15:36] Planner Zupanec: in the local paper, so at least 15 days

[1:15:42] Planner Zupanec: by the time we get this notification drafted.

[1:15:45] Planner Zupanec: So possibly your June meeting.

[1:15:51] Trustee Rogers: Right, and can we do, and just so I'm clear,

[1:15:55] Trustee Rogers: can we do the final steps by,

[1:15:57] Trustee Rogers: if we don't get it by June, by RWM?

[1:16:00] Planner Zupanec: Yeah, adoption can be done by RWM, correct.

[1:16:03] Trustee Rogers: But not

[1:16:04] Trustee Rogers: the third reading.

[1:16:06] Planner Zupanec: so

[1:16:07] Trustee Rogers: we have to have the third reading back for and it has to be after the notification period

[1:16:12] Trustee Rogers: to do a third reading that's correct so we need to get it back by hopefully you can get it back

[1:16:17] Trustee Rogers: by the 17th of june okay uh so that motion's been made yeah i just

[1:16:23] Voice 14: wanted to make a comment

[1:16:24] Voice 14: too that uh the correspondence that we've been received has been virtually in support of it

[1:16:30] Voice 14: other than one person did indicate opposition to it but right overwhelmingly it was supported

[1:16:36] Voice 14: so.

[1:16:37] Trustee Rogers: Right.

[1:16:38] Trustee Rogers: Okay, anything further, if there's nothing further,

[1:16:40] Trustee Rogers: I'll call the vote, all in favor.

[1:16:42] Trustee Rogers: And thank you very much.

[1:16:43] Trustee Rogers: That's the motion.

[1:16:45] Trustee Rogers: So hopefully we can move this forward.

[1:16:48] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much to the planners

[1:16:50] Trustee Rogers: for getting this done in a timely fashion,

[1:16:52] Trustee Rogers: as timely as you could.

[1:16:53] Trustee Rogers: Thank you, Ms. Hadfield.

[1:16:55] Trustee Rogers: Nice to see you.

[1:16:55] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[1:16:58] Voice 7: Chair, this

[1:16:59] Voice 7: is the RPM.

[1:17:00] Voice 7: Yes.

[1:17:01] Voice 7: I just wanted to comment that we did determine

[1:17:03] Voice 7: that we would be able to get it on the June agenda.

[1:17:05] Voice 7: okay yeah

[1:17:07] Trustee Rogers: i i thought so yeah it

[1:17:11] Trustee Rogers: seems like there's five weeks this is this is the meeting

[1:17:14] Trustee Rogers: that we had a sort of a shorter period between the last meeting and this meeting but then we

[1:17:18] Trustee Rogers: had a bit of a longer period for the five weeks thank you very much um so thank you very much

[1:17:26] Trustee Rogers: that takes us then to 7.3 which is I asked fire Savannah to give us a yes

[1:17:36] Trustee Rogers: offered and I asked to get a verbal update of where we're at in terms of the

[1:17:41] Trustee Rogers: the the I think mostly the housing agreement related to the Gabriel housing

[1:17:47] Trustee Rogers: society application so you can tell us the rigors of dealing with lawyers okay

[1:17:55] Voice 5: Okay, thank you through the chair.

[1:17:56] Voice 5: So since the March 4th LTC meeting,

[1:18:00] Voice 5: which is the last time this application was presented,

[1:18:04] Voice 5: staff have been me.

[1:18:05] Voice 5: I've been working with the applicants

[1:18:07] Voice 5: and the Adams Trust Legal Counsel

[1:18:09] Voice 5: to make provisions to the housing agreement.

[1:18:11] Voice 5: There have been some staffing changes

[1:18:14] Voice 5: with legal counsel that have delayed the process.

[1:18:16] Voice 5: So we think that that is underway now.

[1:18:21] Voice 5: now. As well, at the request of Synonymic First Nation, I've submitted a written summary

[1:18:26] Voice 5: of the proposed bylaws, along with copies of the bylaws. So all three, the OCP, the

[1:18:32] Voice 5: LUB, and then the Housing Agreement Bylaw to Synonymo. At this time, there's been no

[1:18:38] Voice 5: comments received. And the applicant has submitted a copy of the Provincial Water License and

[1:18:44] Voice 5: Water License Decision, which will be included as an attachment in the next staff report.

[1:18:50] Voice 5: and we have not heard back from the OCP yet

[1:18:53] Voice 5: or from the ministry about the OCP bylaw yet.

[1:18:55] Voice 5: So I'm happy to take any questions

[1:18:58] Voice 5: and I believe the agent and applicant is here as well.

[1:19:06] Trustee Rogers: Yes, I saw Ms. Heather was here.

[1:19:10] Trustee Rogers: I mean, the reality is that we can't do anything formal

[1:19:15] Trustee Rogers: until we get the referral back from the ministry

[1:19:17] Trustee Rogers: in any case on the OCP, right?

[1:19:24] Trustee Rogers: yeah i mean on the two by on the two bylaws or the ocp amendment right yeah

[1:19:29] Voice 5: that's right yeah and

[1:19:31] Voice 5: ideas to bring all three of them back together yeah okay

[1:19:35] Trustee Rogers: so i guess the the burning the question

[1:19:38] Trustee Rogers: that everyone has is are there any large impediments on the housing agreement or are

[1:19:45] Trustee Rogers: there any do we have any sense of timing that you can give us i know you can't speak for the

[1:19:50] Trustee Rogers: of the lawyers in this but i would

[1:19:55] Voice 5: say we're pretty close we've got uh some revisions with

[1:20:00] Voice 5: um the legal counsel that have gone back to the applicant um and they are providing a response and

[1:20:09] Voice 5: yeah very close okay

[1:20:12] Trustee Rogers: yeah all right and uh do you know how long that the referrals have been with

[1:20:18] Trustee Rogers: with this dynamic or if

[1:20:19] Trustee Rogers: they've raised any issues.

[1:20:23] Trustee Rogers: I knew they were interested

[1:20:24] Trustee Rogers: in the housing agreement in particular,

[1:20:27] Trustee Rogers: but I

[1:20:29] Voice 5: haven't heard back.

[1:20:32] Voice 5: Yeah, so there's been no comments received yet.

[1:20:35] Voice 5: The housing agreement was flagged

[1:20:38] Voice 5: in the original meeting in March.

[1:20:42] Voice 5: So that was sent to them.

[1:20:45] Voice 5: It's, I don't think it had the exact number,

[1:20:48] Voice 5: but it's been over 60 days um the june meeting would be 90 days okay

[1:20:54] Trustee Rogers: anyway sorry i've asked

[1:20:56] Trustee Rogers: all the questions trustees questions for the planner no

[1:21:02] Trustee Colbourne: you you've asked yeah i would just

[1:21:04] Trustee Colbourne: ask that the senior governor intergovernmental policy and advisor um who helped draft uh in

[1:21:11] Trustee Colbourne: coordination with the housing society some of the language around missing and murdered and

[1:21:15] Trustee Colbourne: women some of those sections be included as if those sections change or if we do receive

[1:21:20] Trustee Colbourne: received feedback from SNAEMUC in response to some of those sections that deal specifically

[1:21:26] Trustee Colbourne: with qualified occupancy and the nation.

[1:21:36] Trustee Rogers: Okay, well thank you for the update.

[1:21:38] Trustee Rogers: My intention was simply we have sort of an understanding because it's been since I think

[1:21:46] Trustee Rogers: January that we gave three third meetings.

[1:21:48] Trustee Rogers: so um uh i don't know whether either of the i don't you know if either the applicants or the

[1:21:54] Trustee Rogers: representative wanted to say anything to make any representations to it could you could mr scotter

[1:22:01] Trustee Rogers: um uh i will give you the opportunity if you wish to or miss heather and compare us if you wish to

[1:22:07] Trustee Rogers: uh make any comments just put your hand up we'll move you over otherwise with that was all of the

[1:22:12] Trustee Rogers: the information I was, yeah, okay.

[1:22:14] Trustee Rogers: See, Ms. Heatherington-Pierce has her hand up.

[1:22:17] Trustee Rogers: So could we move

[1:22:18] Trustee Rogers: Nancy over please?

[1:22:20] Voice 19: Good morning.

[1:22:32] Voice 19: Good morning.

[1:22:33] Voice 9: Just a quick question on procedure for the housing agreement

[1:22:37] Voice 9: does it need after the three readings,

[1:22:40] Voice 9: does it need executive committee

[1:22:42] Voice 9: and then a fourth reading slash adoption

[1:22:47] Voice 9: or as an administrative bylaw,

[1:22:49] Voice 9: does it just need the three readings?

[1:22:53] Trustee Rogers: I'll let the planner answer but I think it has to go through the same process as any bylaw

[1:22:57] Trustee Rogers: that's

[1:22:57] Voice 5: right it does go to executive committee yeah but

[1:23:02] Trustee Rogers: it doesn't have to doesn't have to go

[1:23:03] Trustee Rogers: to the minister no

[1:23:04] Voice 9: but it comes back for adoption and

[1:23:08] Trustee Rogers: you know if there was any particular reason

[1:23:12] Trustee Rogers: why there was a like an urgency as you heard me ask a planner early we can adopt by RWM

[1:23:21] Trustee Rogers: all right okay uh

[1:23:23] Trustee Rogers: i mean if there was a huge if there but we can't do a third reading by rwm so

[1:23:30] Trustee Rogers: okay thank you

[1:23:31] Trustee Rogers: and it and the process is is that the ec has 30 days to um consider a referral of

[1:23:39] Trustee Rogers: a bylaw if they don't deal with it in 30 days it's considered to be approved so they all we

[1:23:46] Trustee Rogers: We always, at the EC, we always get it

[1:23:48] Trustee Rogers: at the next EC meeting.

[1:23:51] Trustee Rogers: So I've seen them as short as like two days

[1:23:54] Trustee Rogers: after they were passed by an LLC.

[1:23:56] Trustee Rogers: So depends on the timing of where we're at in our meeting.

[1:24:00] Trustee Rogers: Okay?

[1:24:01] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[1:24:02] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thanks.

[1:24:03] Trustee Rogers: Any other questions for the planner related to this?

[1:24:05] Trustee Rogers: Otherwise we'll move on.

[1:24:07] Trustee Rogers: Thanks very much.

[1:24:08] Trustee Rogers: Nice to see you again.

[1:24:10] Trustee Rogers: And the next item on the notice we're quite,

[1:24:16] Trustee Rogers: pleased to have a couple of delegations with us.

[1:24:18] Trustee Rogers: And I know that the first delegation up

[1:24:22] Trustee Rogers: is the Galliano Island Recycling Organization.

[1:24:26] Trustee Rogers: And I believe, Trustee Langer,

[1:24:28] Trustee Rogers: you're going to recuse yourself for this delegation

[1:24:31] Trustee Rogers: and for any discussions we have on it as well.

[1:24:35] Voice 14: Yes, I'm going to leave for the potential appearance

[1:24:40] Voice 14: of a conflict of interest because I was the director

[1:24:42] Voice 14: of GIRO just prior to being elected.

[1:24:46] Voice 14: and on the board so i'll leave and if somebody could just email me when it's time to come back

[1:24:52] Voice 14: okay

[1:24:53] Trustee Rogers: thanks very much so um i understand that it's uh uh faye weller that's going to speak to us so

[1:25:02] Trustee Rogers: miss weller wants just to um can be promoted and

[1:25:08] Voice 19: yeah

[1:25:14] Trustee Rogers: so the standing resolution is not

[1:25:16] Trustee Rogers: to later on the agenda who's ever running the screen that comes at 11.2 the motion but we're

[1:25:27] Trustee Rogers: going to have a presentation at this point or a delegation so welcome to the Gabriel LTC meeting

[1:25:36] Trustee Rogers: nice to meet you Ms. Waller.

[1:25:38] Voice 18: Yeah nice to meet you too and hello there yes thank you for the

[1:25:42] Voice 18: the opportunity to speak today um michelle kresniak is um going to join us as well she's

[1:25:49] Voice 18: the general manager i just got a text and apparently she's just arrived home so she may

[1:25:54] Voice 18: not be actually available yet but she will be joining us as well you

[1:25:59] Trustee Rogers: wish us to wait you wish

[1:26:00] Trustee Rogers: us to wait

[1:26:01] Voice 18: um it might be helpful what i but what i can do is kind of go through the first bit she's

[1:26:08] Voice 18: she would be really helpful when the questions come up just because she does

[1:26:12] Voice 18: know the history of gyro and so on I'm a board member and I'm the lead on this

[1:26:21] Voice 18: textile initiative from the board okay

[1:26:24] Voice 19: okay

[1:26:25] Voice 18: she should be any second she did

[1:26:27] Voice 18: say that she had just arrived home and was trying to get on so okay great so

[1:26:31] Voice 18: Okay. So with respect to what the purpose of this is, this is about confirming recycling

[1:26:40] Voice 18: activities on the gyro site rather than adding any new activities. Also wanted to apologize

[1:26:46] Voice 18: for the typo in the request. It should be one rather than two, institutional one. I

[1:26:55] Voice 18: I recognize that you've read through the submitted document, so I won't go into a lot of detail,

[1:27:02] Voice 18: but I do want to emphasize three points. The first one is that the definition of recycling.

[1:27:10] Voice 18: We looked in many different dictionaries and all of them referred to recycling as altering or

[1:27:19] Voice 18: or adapting or treating or processing used waste

[1:27:23] Voice 18: so that it could be reused again.

[1:27:25] Voice 18: The point is not to just collect it,

[1:27:28] Voice 18: the point is actually to reuse it,

[1:27:29] Voice 18: to get it into some kind of state that it can be reused.

[1:27:33] Voice 18: So that's point number one.

[1:27:36] Voice 18: Second point is that this, the zoning is site specific.

[1:27:41] Voice 18: The recycling center zoning is specific to the property

[1:27:45] Voice 18: that Gyro is located on.

[1:27:48] Voice 18: it identifies it on the map where the recycling activities are allowed to happen and that is just

[1:27:55] Voice 18: the one property on the island third the the planner was very helpful with this she sent us

[1:28:04] Voice 18: the information that i included in the letter and then she met with us she wanted to meet with us

[1:28:09] Voice 18: and she suggested that we register as a delegation and she suggested that we request a special

[1:28:15] Voice 18: resolution regarding the definition that's the request at the top of the

[1:28:19] Voice 18: letter and Michelle is here now so great to see you so since submitting the

[1:28:29] Voice 18: letter we understand that there are other options to resolving the issue

[1:28:32] Voice 18: there can be a special resolution and that's a valid option another option

[1:28:37] Voice 18: suggested to us is that the trustees simply direct staff to accept an

[1:28:42] Voice 18: understanding of the word recycling as per the dictionary definitions of altering or adapting

[1:28:48] Voice 18: used waste. So to close my little bit, this is an exciting way to use our waste stream. And we've

[1:28:57] Voice 18: heard from different recycling centers that would like to implement something similar in their

[1:29:01] Voice 18: community. And we hope that you will confirm that the word recycling is as per the dictionary

[1:29:10] Voice 18: definition and did you want to

[1:29:14] Voice 12: add anything michelle um i guess i could just add that yeah

[1:29:18] Voice 12: hornby island recycling center reached out to me uh very excited after reading several um articles

[1:29:25] Voice 12: about the latest textile initiative uh they have exactly the same issue with their waste stream for

[1:29:31] Voice 12: textiles and they're super excited about the possibility of using our process as a template

[1:29:38] Voice 12: plate for their own recycling textile waste stream.

[1:29:42] Voice 12: So yeah, I think we could really replicate this

[1:29:48] Voice 12: in other recycling communities on Gulf Islands.

[1:29:52] Voice 12: So are there any questions?

[1:29:55] Trustee Colbourne: Trustee Colbert.

[1:29:56] Trustee Colbourne: Could you just give us, I know the letter was.

[1:30:00] Trustee Colbourne: but maybe the public uh you know either live stream or something may not could you just give

[1:30:03] Trustee Colbourne: a very short introduction of what we're talking about and also just what would the potential

[1:30:07] Trustee Colbourne: impacts on water or the surrounding ecosystems be of this this type of reuse recycling of textiles

[1:30:15] Trustee Colbourne: okay

[1:30:16] Voice 18: so we're talking about um approximately a thousand pounds of textile waste that is currently

[1:30:25] Voice 18: Currently, we actually get 2,000 pounds, but 50% of it goes into the restorer and is resold.

[1:30:34] Voice 18: The other 50% is there is no pickup anymore for the textile waste.

[1:30:41] Voice 18: So it has been started going to the landfill.

[1:30:45] Voice 18: So the point of what we're trying to do is to recycle the local waste, not transport it off island.

[1:30:52] Voice 18: There is no away concept, right?

[1:30:54] Voice 18: right? Everything. We should be dealing with our own waste. In order to deal with our own waste,

[1:31:00] Voice 18: the most effective way rather than putting it into the landfill is to actually turn it into

[1:31:05] Voice 18: something that will actually be usable again. So there's a number of different ways to do that.

[1:31:13] Voice 18: One is a basic repair, which is one of the things, sewing a button back onto a shirt.

[1:31:20] Voice 18: the other for those textiles that are not as usable in terms of that there will be things like

[1:31:29] Voice 18: recreating them into a dog bed or things like that the the biggest impact is probably going to be

[1:31:40] Voice 18: a shredder which I understand which is basically equivalent to the baler we have now in terms of

[1:31:48] Voice 18: noise and so on um there is a washing washer and dryer that won't be in the new building we're

[1:31:54] Voice 18: proposing it's it's it's in the other the main building that's already there and um we got high

[1:32:01] Voice 18: energy star washer and dryer that have quick washes um so we figure it's when we did all the

[1:32:08] Voice 18: calculations there's no new water required and no impact on the on the septic system okay so

[1:32:18] Trustee Rogers: so so

[1:32:19] Trustee Rogers: So as I understand it, thank you for your presentation.

[1:32:21] Trustee Rogers: So basically you're asking us to take a step

[1:32:24] Trustee Rogers: to allow this activity to occur,

[1:32:26] Trustee Rogers: whether that be through a standing resolution

[1:32:28] Trustee Rogers: and maybe we'll ask the planner what the recommendation is.

[1:32:33] Trustee Rogers: Was it Planners Lipton that you worked with?

[1:32:36] Voice 18: Say that again, sorry?

[1:32:37] Voice 18: Who was the planner?

[1:32:38] Voice 18: Was it Sonia?

[1:32:40] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, she was great.

[1:32:41] Trustee Rogers: I should just say Sonia.

[1:32:42] Trustee Rogers: Everybody knows Sonia.

[1:32:44] Voice 4: Yeah.

[1:32:46] Trustee Rogers: It was Sonia.

[1:32:47] Voice 4: yeah

[1:32:47] Trustee Rogers: oh with sonya so um okay so we can and i see there's a couple of uh suggestions in the

[1:32:55] Trustee Rogers: in your letter which i gather you work with sonya yes that's right uh so thanks so i don't have any

[1:33:02] Trustee Rogers: other questions it's uh i'm um yeah very supportive of all sorts of recycling opportunities okay um

[1:33:12] Trustee Rogers: So thank you very much.

[1:33:13] Trustee Rogers: If there's no other questions, I'm almost tempted.

[1:33:18] Trustee Rogers: I don't know what you think, Trustee Colburn or Sonia,

[1:33:20] Trustee Rogers: whether we just go to 11.2 at this point and just

[1:33:23] Trustee Colbourne: deal with it

[1:33:24] Trustee Colbourne: so that the

[1:33:24] Trustee Rogers: case doesn't have to go out again after that.

[1:33:27] Trustee Rogers: That's

[1:33:28] Trustee Colbourne: what I was hoping to happen, yes.

[1:33:29] Trustee Rogers: So if the people from the healthy community could just hold on for a minute,

[1:33:34] Trustee Rogers: thank you for your presentation.

[1:33:35] Trustee Rogers: we'll maybe ask Sonia to join us and ask, so do you have a recommendation about the

[1:33:47] Trustee Rogers: best way to proceed with this request?

[1:33:51] Planner Zupanec: So maybe I can give you a bit of context because from the planning side of things as well,

[1:33:57] Planner Zupanec: because we're stuck in a bit of a technical situation that isn't just about the definition

[1:34:04] Planner Zupanec: or the lack of a definition of the recycling center in the land use bylaw so for whatever

[1:34:09] Planner Zupanec: reason the gyro site was given a site-specific zone under this institutional umbrella but the

[1:34:19] Planner Zupanec: term recycling center wasn't defined so the other thing that I have to do as a planner is interpret

[1:34:26] Planner Zupanec: your land use bylaw in its entirety so I can't pick and choose specific provisions and then

[1:34:34] Planner Zupanec: elaborate or expand on potential uses when they're not explicit and this is what we advised

[1:34:42] Planner Zupanec: the gyro board is that you have a light industrial zone that does have the processing manufacturing

[1:34:49] Planner Zupanec: and you also have a commercial zone that permits retail sales that's completely open it doesn't

[1:34:56] Planner Zupanec: matter what you're selling you can sell it whereas the gyro site-specific zone has retail sales for

[1:35:02] Planner Zupanec: used items only and that doesn't mean the composition of something has to be 100%

[1:35:09] Planner Zupanec: recycled necessarily these are used items so if you're manufacturing a new item we have to

[1:35:14] Planner Zupanec: interpret that that that's just a retail sale and the composition of that item whether it's made of

[1:35:21] Planner Zupanec: recyclable products 100% or 10% is not the issue is that there was some semblance of of thought

[1:35:30] Planner Zupanec: put towards that site-specific zone that limited those retail sales and did not contemplate

[1:35:36] Planner Zupanec: processing or manufacturing of other goods but rather the processing of those recyclable

[1:35:42] Planner Zupanec: materials so the shredding and the bailing as is stipulated in the letter from the delegates

[1:35:49] Planner Zupanec: those those items are currently permitted but it's then repurposing those that fall under

[1:35:57] Planner Zupanec: under the light industrial zone provision.

[1:35:59] Planner Zupanec: So those are explicit permitted uses.

[1:36:03] Planner Zupanec: So we don't understand how other than through enforcement,

[1:36:09] Planner Zupanec: that's how your standing resolutions have worked

[1:36:11] Planner Zupanec: on other examples before where there was an enforcement issue

[1:36:14] Planner Zupanec: on a particular property where you had a standing resolution

[1:36:18] Planner Zupanec: to withhold enforcement, for example, for the markets,

[1:36:22] Planner Zupanec: markets, the indoor markets at the Aggie Hall, for example. So that's the most recent example

[1:36:30] Planner Zupanec: we have a local trust committee being able to direct staff to withhold action in a certain way.

[1:36:37] Planner Zupanec: In this case, we're not sure you're able to direct our planners who will be getting a building

[1:36:44] Planner Zupanec: permit referral to interpret a zone in a certain way through a standing resolution. It actually

[1:36:51] Planner Zupanec: has to be through a bylaw amendment is the proper channel so you have to make sure your bylaw is

[1:36:57] Planner Zupanec: crystal clear so that there is no misunderstanding um and i know that that's a it's an onerous process

[1:37:05] Planner Zupanec: for anybody um or for the ltc to initiate but ideally you're you're clear that this zone

[1:37:12] Planner Zupanec: and this use match the intent of what the development of the recycling center is

[1:37:19] Planner Zupanec: in the future, which looks like a light industrial type of land use and those associated

[1:37:27] Planner Zupanec: options that exist, as well as possible commercial if they intend to either wholesale or retail

[1:37:35] Planner Zupanec: any number of products that are made from recyclable goods that they collect. That would

[1:37:41] Planner Zupanec: be the, you know, the sort of the planning approach to a site like that. If it was a brand

[1:37:47] Planner Zupanec: new use coming forward in an application because it's an existing use and the zoning has been

[1:37:54] Planner Zupanec: cobbled sort of site specific for that under an institution zone we're stuck in the situation

[1:38:00] Planner Zupanec: right now where there's not a lot of flexibility regardless of the the non-profit organization or

[1:38:08] Planner Zupanec: the players involved we cannot look at individual properties and become more flexible or more

[1:38:14] Planner Zupanec: lenient in our interpretation if the bylaw has specific provisions elsewhere that permit what's

[1:38:22] Planner Zupanec: being permitted so you could direct staff to get a legal review to ensure that um the app the

[1:38:32] Planner Zupanec: owners the board and their concerns are actually clearly permitted and that staff's interpretation

[1:38:40] Planner Zupanec: interpretation is is incorrect that would be one option uh and that way that's clear then to staff

[1:38:48] Planner Zupanec: when they apply for when they do the referrals from the RDN that they understand how to interpret

[1:38:54] Planner Zupanec: this and then we can fix the bylaw to make sure that there's no misunderstandings in the future

[1:38:59] Planner Zupanec: but I'm not sure that there is an option for a standing resolution to help us interpret

[1:39:06] Planner Zupanec: interpret your land use bylaw differently

[1:39:09] Planner Zupanec: without that legal interpretation.

[1:39:13] Planner Zupanec: The politicians can't direct staff to do that part

[1:39:18] Planner Zupanec: is what I understand.

[1:39:20] Trustee Rogers: So let me get, thank you for that.

[1:39:24] Trustee Rogers: I'm sort of as assumed from reading the letter

[1:39:27] Trustee Rogers: that you had suggested standing resolution

[1:39:29] Trustee Rogers: for perhaps misunderstanding.

[1:39:31] Trustee Rogers: misunderstanding so uh because what i hear you now saying is you're you you are not convinced

[1:39:39] Trustee Rogers: that we can have the standing resolution and allow you to to give the thumbs up when a building

[1:39:46] Trustee Rogers: permit referral comes

[1:39:49] Planner Zupanec: to interpret the bylaw differently yes that's right for enforcement

[1:39:54] Planner Zupanec: action uh you have an example of that already you've got a standing

[1:39:58] Planner Zupanec: resolution that helps in

[1:39:59] Voice 19: in

[1:39:59] Planner Zupanec: that regard which

[1:40:00] Trustee Rogers: which is a bit of a which is a bit of a uh i don't know it seems like a bit of

[1:40:08] Trustee Rogers: a uh conundrum that we would be in that we can we can we can pass a standing resolution not to

[1:40:15] Trustee Rogers: enforce a bylaw but we can't pass a standing resolution that we understand a bylaw to be

[1:40:19] Trustee Rogers: read in a particular fashion um so they they we can they if they already had the building

[1:40:26] Trustee Rogers: for example and we're off doing this operation we could give direction to bylaw not to enforce

[1:40:31] Trustee Rogers: but we can't give the thumbs up to the bylaw to the building going ahead uh based on our view of

[1:40:39] Trustee Rogers: what recycling means

[1:40:40] Planner Zupanec: yeah that's what i understand is the case you know regardless of whether it's

[1:40:47] Planner Zupanec: a non-profit or a business that's conducting this type of operation yeah

[1:40:51] Trustee Rogers: i'm not even i

[1:40:53] Trustee Rogers: I understand your point is that it operates

[1:40:55] Trustee Rogers: in this operation.

[1:40:57] Planner Zupanec: Yeah, we're trying to also scratch our heads

[1:41:01] Planner Zupanec: around the limitations of your bylaw right now

[1:41:04] Planner Zupanec: and the way it's written is quite reactive

[1:41:07] Planner Zupanec: to the uses that were in place at the time

[1:41:09] Planner Zupanec: that the bylaw was drafted, right?

[1:41:11] Planner Zupanec: It did not preempt or predict certain types of uses

[1:41:15] Planner Zupanec: or flexibility in the zones to permit those uses

[1:41:18] Planner Zupanec: to do more.

[1:41:20] Planner Zupanec: so we're working with not a lot of clarity we don't use definitions to regulate uses and that's

[1:41:28] Planner Zupanec: a really bad habit that some of the land use bylaws have where they've used definitions to

[1:41:32] Planner Zupanec: specifically get into the regulatory nature of a use it's supposed to be right in the bylaw

[1:41:37] Planner Zupanec: in the zoning regulations what is or isn't permitted and what is or isn't

[1:41:43] Planner Zupanec: authorized under that that term recycling center so even using the definition of recycling center

[1:41:50] Planner Zupanec: to elaborate is something that we've seen we've got examples of but that is not best practices

[1:41:55] Planner Zupanec: for how you help plan in a community the appropriate uses and adjacent uses for what

[1:42:02] Planner Zupanec: we consider a light industrial use it's a very typical use in urban and rural communities

[1:42:10] Planner Zupanec: that this would be occurring.

[1:42:12] Planner Zupanec: It's natural that it should exist.

[1:42:14] Planner Zupanec: We have

[1:42:14] Planner Zupanec: no light industrial lands, except for one.

[1:42:17] Planner Zupanec: On Gabriela, so the applicants of the owners

[1:42:20] Planner Zupanec: are in a tight position to even find a suitable property

[1:42:24] Planner Zupanec: that would permit this without a zoning amendment

[1:42:27] Planner Zupanec: and potentially an OCP amendment as well.

[1:42:30] Planner Zupanec: So we don't have a lot of flexibility with this.

[1:42:34] Trustee Rogers: So let me, can I just ask a question of the,

[1:42:37] Trustee Rogers: and I see that Ms. Weller has her hand up,

[1:42:41] Trustee Rogers: but what's the timing of your plan to build a building?

[1:42:48] Voice 18: So we are hoping to put a permit in within the net

[1:42:52] Voice 18: where a permit application in within the next month.

[1:42:56] Voice 18: And so it depends upon how long that then happens.

[1:43:02] Voice 18: So we're hoping to build the building in August

[1:43:05] Voice 18: is when the plan is.

[1:43:07] Voice 18: And so I guess I wanted to make a couple of points, too, is that one is the repair function already occurs within the current gyro building and has been occurring since gyro, you know, started.

[1:43:22] Voice 18: So it doesn't make sense that it can occur in the one building but can't occur because we're creating a new building.

[1:43:30] Voice 18: I'm just curious about that.

[1:43:31] Voice 18: and and the other thing that we're mystified by is the the whole thing if you're sewing something

[1:43:37] Voice 18: etc and it can occur in all kinds of residential zones in industrial zones

[1:43:46] Voice 18: mystifying why it couldn't occur in the recycling zone in which the word recycle

[1:43:51] Voice 18: actually means to alter so just real questions around some of this and

[1:43:57] Planner Zupanec: just briefly in terms of

[1:43:58] Planner Zupanec: of the the repair provisions again we can we totally agree that something as simple as sewing

[1:44:04] Planner Zupanec: buttons and zippers is is a repair but so is appliance repair and small engine repair and so

[1:44:10] Planner Zupanec: the scope and the spectrum of a recycling center's materials that they receive and might potentially

[1:44:15] Planner Zupanec: want to repair for reuse or resale can be quite broad and that's a community planning effort to

[1:44:22] Planner Zupanec: be really clear about is it simply you know small scale fuzzy soft things or is it also welding

[1:44:27] Planner Zupanec: building fabrication, you know, testing engines, things like that.

[1:44:32] Planner Zupanec: Those are all potential land uses in a recycling center that's regulated to its sort of full

[1:44:42] Planner Zupanec: comprehensive potential.

[1:44:44] Planner Zupanec: And that's not contemplated in this particular site-specific zone.

[1:44:49] Planner Zupanec: So we're just acknowledging that's a real problem in order to allow for these creative

[1:44:54] Planner Zupanec: entrepreneurial uh waste management type issues that the community is grappling with but the bylaw

[1:45:00] Planner Zupanec: is what it is and we suggest that if there's any if the local trust committee

[1:45:05] Planner Zupanec: um feels strongly that that there is some flexibility that that staff is not um

[1:45:13] Planner Zupanec: identifying then we we just need to ask you know the lawyers essentially to to review that and to

[1:45:20] Planner Zupanec: to provide that clarity so that we can give advice

[1:45:23] Planner Zupanec: based on how to interpret this correctly

[1:45:28] Planner Zupanec: and give good advice.

[1:45:29] Planner Zupanec: There's nothing preventing the board

[1:45:31] Planner Zupanec: from submitting a building application for that building

[1:45:35] Planner Zupanec: for the uses that they currently are permitted.

[1:45:37] Planner Zupanec: It's then conducting those specific uses

[1:45:41] Planner Zupanec: within that building that would be an issue,

[1:45:45] Planner Zupanec: but there is nothing preventing them

[1:45:47] Planner Zupanec: from moving forward with the building permit application.

[1:45:49] Planner Zupanec: We applaud them for seeking clarity prior to the application about these potential growth and expansion of the site to include some of these activities, because it's important that these conversations happen to highlight, you know, where the issues are to make sure that these uses can be continued for the duration of the operations.

[1:46:17] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Colbert, I've been asking all the questions.

[1:46:19] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[1:46:19] Trustee Colbourne: So from a practical standpoint, what happens when that building permit application goes in? So I'm with you, like get a legal opinion and everything. But in practical terms, in terms of what is a low impact, you know, it actually fits with a circular economy and fits in with all kinds of climate crisis and modern definitions of what recycling is.

[1:46:40] Trustee Colbourne: So I'm just struggling to make sure that we're not getting too caught up in some of the semantics instead of the practical.

[1:46:46] Trustee Colbourne: So what happens to that building application when it comes to the Islands Trust Northern Office for a referral response?

[1:46:53] Trustee Colbourne: What goes back to them at this point?

[1:46:55] Planner Zupanec: Right. So the building has to be constructed to meet the siting, the size, the height for that particular zone, which isn't an issue.

[1:47:04] Planner Zupanec: Lock coverage. And then the use. It has to be consistent with the use of the property.

[1:47:08] Planner Zupanec: So at this point, you know, with no definition of recycling center, what we know can be permitted is everything that's not in the light industrial zone in terms of the processing manufacturing and not in the commercial zone in terms of retail sale.

[1:47:25] Planner Zupanec: So it can be the bailing, the shredding, the storage, the retail sale of used items. Those are all still permitted uses.

[1:47:37] Planner Zupanec: So if the building permit is for that building

[1:47:40] Planner Zupanec: under those uses and expansion of the existing,

[1:47:43] Planner Zupanec: then the plan checker can provide a positive referral

[1:47:48] Planner Zupanec: response to the RDN that it meets the Gabriel Island

[1:47:51] Planner Zupanec: land use bylaw requirements.

[1:47:55] Planner Zupanec: And they can issue the permit for that.

[1:47:57] Planner Zupanec: My

[1:47:58] Trustee Rogers: understanding is that RDN doesn't actually,

[1:48:04] Trustee Rogers: they do their own uh checking of our bylaws against for for an app building no

[1:48:10] Planner Zupanec: it all gets

[1:48:11] Planner Zupanec: sent to us now so the process has changed significantly in the last year i

[1:48:16] Trustee Rogers: see so and

[1:48:18] Trustee Rogers: and on a building permit application you have to indicate what the use is going to be well it has

[1:48:25] Planner Zupanec: to comply with the zone correct so if it's a residential dwelling and it's a residential zone

[1:48:30] Planner Zupanec: if it's if they were applying for a residence it wouldn't be permitted because the zone doesn't

[1:48:35] Planner Zupanec: authorize that so there there has to be a clarity and transparency on the use of the building

[1:48:39] Planner Zupanec: um in this case they're permitted to do an expansion of their existing operation

[1:48:46] Trustee Rogers: it's the no yeah i understand it's the manufacturing what you're seeing is a

[1:48:51] Trustee Rogers: manufacturing aspect that might be different and may not be allowed by the zoning i mean i i'm

[1:48:58] Trustee Rogers: trying to think i'm trying to imagine what a not complicated way to facilitate this would be

[1:49:04] Trustee Rogers: um trying to i mean if they get their building permit and and then we have a standing resolution

[1:49:11] Trustee Rogers: that that says if they start to use it for these other uses don't enforce um but i don't i think

[1:49:19] Trustee Rogers: they're trying to be transparent and open they told us what they want to do it so here we are

[1:49:24] Trustee Rogers: i've also just seen us move a a change in the land use through the local trust committee in like

[1:49:32] Trustee Rogers: like six weeks and that was an application but we could do it we can always change the zoning

[1:49:41] Trustee Rogers: on our own initiative right we don't have to we

[1:49:44] Trustee Rogers: don't have to require them to pay the fee and make

[1:49:47] Trustee Rogers: an application to change the zoning we can do that on our own initiative and take it on as a

[1:49:52] Trustee Rogers: quote unquote project that's

[1:49:55] Planner Zupanec: right so the board would advise that

[1:49:57] Planner Zupanec: you can either do it by

[1:49:57] Planner Zupanec: application it could be sponsored by the executive committee if it matches that or the LTC initiates

[1:50:06] Planner Zupanec: a project to do an amendment you ironically have another request on your agenda today

[1:50:09] Planner Zupanec: for a similar non-profit community-based organization that's trying to do more

[1:50:14] Planner Zupanec: with very very unflexible zoning to accommodate legitimate uses and needs in the community so

[1:50:21] Planner Zupanec: this is the whole point of community planning is we should be able to predict these things and have

[1:50:26] Planner Zupanec: of spaces for for this so we don't um so there are options but we're really struggling to

[1:50:33] Planner Zupanec: you know figure out how you'd like to proceed with this because i can't authorize a legal services

[1:50:38] Planner Zupanec: request um you know yeah

[1:50:41] Trustee Rogers: but what if the lawyers come back and say you're right and we can't do it

[1:50:44] Trustee Rogers: and that's in a month from now and we're stuck in the same box we're in right now all right and

[1:50:50] Trustee Rogers: And

[1:50:50] Planner Zupanec: that's a good sign that, you know, we need to fix the bylaw and it needs to be ready or it needs to be updated to possibly contemplate these uses of the communities in support of that, which it sounds like the community would be.

[1:51:06] Planner Zupanec: So there's increased residential development occurring around that site.

[1:51:11] Planner Zupanec: So it is a good candidate for community conversation around what this looks like.

[1:51:17] Planner Zupanec: But for the interim, we're a little bit stuck with how we can advise people moving forward.

[1:51:22] Trustee Rogers: I mean, I'm not necessarily opposed to asking for a legal opinion because if it comes out that, no, they think it's flexible enough, that solves the problem for us.

[1:51:36] Trustee Rogers: we can just say yes broad enough and we can pass a standing resolution to do that at that point

[1:51:43] Trustee Rogers: but if it comes back and says no it's not it's not it's it's it's restrictive and doesn't allow

[1:51:50] Trustee Rogers: this type of activity then that causes us to be in the same box so um just trying to anyway i'm

[1:51:58] Trustee Rogers: just trying to imagine how we facilitate this to to allow the time frame to go where they

[1:52:05] Trustee Rogers: because you know you want to do this during the building season and it's got any brilliant ideas

[1:52:16] Trustee Rogers: trustee Colbert I

[1:52:17] Trustee Colbourne: think you just what's the use Gabriel a recycling center I mean if there's a

[1:52:21] Trustee Colbourne: lack of clarity and vagueness within the land use and this is not I have to emphasize how this is

[1:52:26] Trustee Colbourne: not an isolated occurrence we're struggling to keep an OCP and land use bylaws up to date with

[1:52:32] Trustee Colbourne: the organizations that are doing positive changes now I made sort of an informal request for the OCP

[1:52:38] Trustee Colbourne: to be reviewed last fall i'm telling you right now i'm coming back in the next ltc with a full

[1:52:43] Trustee Colbourne: rationalization of why we need to do this and the list is getting longer our response to it can't be

[1:52:48] Trustee Colbourne: project by project by project because we keep getting told we don't have the capacity to do

[1:52:52] Trustee Colbourne: the projects we have right now so folks we need to have a community discussion about the land here

[1:52:58] Trustee Colbourne: and how it's used this is a prime example of why if vagueness and clarity is the problem here to

[1:53:04] Trustee Colbourne: To me, this fits any definition of what recycling is in 2021.

[1:53:08] Trustee Colbourne: If the building permit says Gabriel Recycling Center, that matches the use.

[1:53:13] Trustee Colbourne: My questions were around impact to the environment, to water.

[1:53:17] Trustee Colbourne: Those have been addressed.

[1:53:18] Trustee Colbourne: It's low impact.

[1:53:19] Trustee Colbourne: In fact, it's net positive, right?

[1:53:23] Trustee Colbourne: So, and this could be done in any home occupation.

[1:53:29] Voice 4: So

[1:53:29] Trustee Colbourne: that's kind of like, that's the weird part of it.

[1:53:31] Trustee Colbourne: So to me, it's just Gabriel Recycling Center.

[1:53:33] Trustee Colbourne: absolutely get a legal opinion but um um i think we need to really start to do this in a big

[1:53:43] Trustee Colbourne: picture cohesive community-based way instead of piecemealing together a 2021 um community plan

[1:53:51] Trustee Colbourne: okay

[1:53:54] Trustee Rogers: that's great now we have to solve this particular problem um and i totally agree with

[1:53:59] Trustee Rogers: you uh i just trying to i want to find a solution for is listing

[1:54:04] Trustee Colbourne: the use as gabriel recycling center

[1:54:06] Trustee Colbourne: is that not within the use was that not like being directly literal to what we're talking about here

[1:54:12] Trustee Colbourne: well

[1:54:12] Trustee Rogers: i think that's what the planner is telling us is that's not the staff's interpretation of

[1:54:16] Trustee Rogers: the sec of the of the zoning for that property the zone what is it zoned

[1:54:22] Planner Zupanec: institutional one which

[1:54:24] Planner Zupanec: is the same zone that i'm sitting on in the island's trust office which is the same zone

[1:54:28] Planner Zupanec: that the child care center next door is sitting in so it's a quite a broad institutional zone

[1:54:35] Planner Zupanec: um there's there's a lot of merits to all that zone it might capture a recycling center but

[1:54:41] Planner Zupanec: typically that's not the type of zone classification or designation that you would use for a recycling

[1:54:46] Planner Zupanec: center and that's okay they have the site-specific provision for it yeah

[1:54:55] Trustee Rogers: so that's what the question

[1:54:56] Trustee Rogers: the question is is whether recycling includes remanufacturing right

[1:55:02] Planner Zupanec: in in the presence of a

[1:55:03] Planner Zupanec: bylaw that contemplates processing manufacturing and retail sales of any type of item in other

[1:55:09] Planner Zupanec: zones right so again your bylaws get interpreted in their entirety not zone specific regulations so

[1:55:17] Planner Zupanec: if the legal review indicates that there is that flexibility to do it that way that

[1:55:23] Planner Zupanec: That contradicts advice that we've received over and over and over again in other legal reviews.

[1:55:29] Planner Zupanec: So it just makes it difficult for us to give advice to people when we can be flexible with

[1:55:34] Planner Zupanec: some cases and not with others. That's the precedent setting piece that's very awkward for us

[1:55:39] Planner Zupanec: as we are the frontline translators of your bylaw. So we want to be consistent.

[1:55:48] Trustee Rogers: Ms. Weller, I saw your hand up. I didn't mean to ignore you. Did you have something you wish to add?

[1:55:52] Trustee Rogers: yes

[1:55:53] Voice 18: um so is it possible to have a standing resolution as a temporary solution and then

[1:56:01] Voice 18: the ltc does the bylaw change is that an option well

[1:56:06] Trustee Rogers: i think what you're hearing from the planner

[1:56:08] Trustee Rogers: is if we pass this standing resolution um the planners it would contrary to their understanding

[1:56:16] Trustee Rogers: of how the, about what the zoning permits.

[1:56:20] Trustee Rogers: And while we can pass certain standing resolutions

[1:56:26] Trustee Rogers: as to what steps the staff can do or can't do,

[1:56:35] Trustee Rogers: the planners are then in the position

[1:56:37] Trustee Rogers: where they're asked specifically what the zoning allows

[1:56:43] Trustee Rogers: allows and you know and and we their interpretation is is um is different is is that it doesn't allow

[1:56:54] Trustee Rogers: this activity uh and no we can't tell them that they have to interpret it differently i mean i i

[1:57:01] Trustee Rogers: mean that's that's the reality what we can do is we can say well then let's change and be allowed

[1:57:08] Trustee Rogers: use so there we are we're in a box we can't we can't tell them how to think and what their

[1:57:14] Trustee Rogers: professional opinion is they tell us what their professional opinion yeah and um and then we can't

[1:57:21] Trustee Rogers: say well your professional opinion is wrong we can ask a lawyer to say no it's broad enough to

[1:57:27] Trustee Rogers: encompass this and that's what trustee colburn's been talking about is let's go see if we can get

[1:57:33] Trustee Rogers: a legal opinion that says no we think that the word recycling is broad enough to include the

[1:57:38] Trustee Rogers: remanufacturing. And maybe it is, and maybe it isn't. And clearly, you know, that's what the

[1:57:45] Trustee Rogers: planners have been telling us. So the standing resolution doesn't solve the problem of how we

[1:57:50] Trustee Rogers: respond to the building permit, unless we get a legal opinion that tells us differently.

[1:57:56] Trustee Rogers: The bylaw change we can do, but it takes time and resources. And, you know, even if we got it done

[1:58:05] Trustee Rogers: done in two months which would be i haven't even asked the rpm whether that's possible or the plan

[1:58:11] Trustee Rogers: or whether that's possible to do in that time frame that would still take a couple of months to

[1:58:16] Trustee Rogers: we'd have to go through the process public notification through the ltc readings i don't

[1:58:24] Trustee Rogers: know if you were on earlier you saw us do it for the pages marina section and that was a very

[1:58:29] Trustee Rogers: a very like a super expedited process that's as fast as i've ever seen a bylaw go through

[1:58:35] Trustee Rogers: okay so

[1:58:36] Trustee Rogers: um and uh so that but even if but that still is going to take two and a half to three

[1:58:44] Trustee Rogers: months to finish um and uh so that's that's the and then we then they could check the box

[1:58:52] Trustee Rogers: but that would be just picking a date that would be august or july or august before we

[1:58:58] Trustee Rogers: were just trying to struggle with how we solve your problem and then trustee colburn's entirely

[1:59:05] Trustee Rogers: entirely correct um amending individual bylaws to deal with specific situations is not the way

[1:59:13] Trustee Rogers: to go about these things and um as he says a community discussion about land use and how we

[1:59:21] Trustee Rogers: and how we zone things because the zoning has been there since how long sonia no

[1:59:26] Planner Zupanec: well there

[1:59:28] Planner Zupanec: was a retail amendment made not long ago like probably eight or ten or maybe 13 years ago now

[1:59:34] Planner Zupanec: but um the zoning before that was in place when the bylaw was adopted i guess so

[1:59:41] Trustee Rogers: what would what

[1:59:42] Trustee Rogers: would happen if we passed the standing resolution suggested when you got the building permit you'd

[1:59:47] Trustee Rogers: still have to say no we don't agree with that's not what we understand that was the zoning to

[1:59:52] Trustee Rogers: allow right yeah we understand say that correctly we

[1:59:57] Planner Zupanec: understand that management yeah would um

[2:00:00] Planner Zupanec: I mean, manager power might step in here that that would not be the advice that we can give you today about using the resolution and not in that particular way.

[2:00:11] Planner Zupanec: So the applicants I understand though by the time they've submitted an application have constructed the building and are using the building for whatever range of uses, you know, manufacturing dog beds aside there's a whole bunch of other things that can happen in that building to lead up to that.

[2:00:32] Planner Zupanec: That might be the same amount of time, if not more time than what it takes to sort out

[2:00:39] Planner Zupanec: the definition, the lack of definition of recycling center and the interface with your

[2:00:44] Planner Zupanec: commercial and light industrial zones in your land use bylaw for the site specific zone.

[2:00:49] Planner Zupanec: We can sort that piece out relatively quickly.

[2:00:51] Planner Zupanec: It just means allocating the funds to pay for that advice to come back and that clarity

[2:00:56] Planner Zupanec: so that all the planners understand this is how this bylaw is going to be treated in terms

[2:01:01] Planner Zupanec: of interpreting these types of things because it's relevant to other interpretations as well

[2:01:07] Planner Zupanec: right

[2:01:08] Trustee Rogers: so you're suggesting we actually broaden that sort of discussion beyond just this particular

[2:01:13] Trustee Rogers: cell well

[2:01:14] Planner Zupanec: not necessarily the answer is for this particular zone it's the way that the

[2:01:20] Planner Zupanec: interpretation happens that can be then broadened to other zones so in the absence of that permitted

[2:01:26] Planner Zupanec: and explicit use even though it shows up elsewhere in a bylaw there might be some flexibility

[2:01:32] Planner Zupanec: regardless

[2:01:33] Trustee Rogers: so are you sorry i just want to make sure i understand what you just said

[2:01:37] Trustee Rogers: did you just suggest we get a legal opinion or did you just suggest we do a bylaw amendment

[2:01:43] Planner Zupanec: if you're comfortable with the legal opinion first then that would likely more quickly resolve

[2:01:50] Planner Zupanec: resolve the issue potentially otherwise then you you can review that information again it's just

[2:01:58] Planner Zupanec: legal advice the ltc doesn't you don't have to take it or leave it or do anything with it but

[2:02:02] Planner Zupanec: you might decide to then make decisions about next steps for a project or an initiated amendment

[2:02:11] Planner Zupanec: based on that advice that you get well

[2:02:14] Trustee Rogers: okay but the the issue is if the legal opinion comes back

[2:02:19] Trustee Rogers: I mean you're hearing the trustees say we want to we want to find a way to you know make this

[2:02:27] Trustee Rogers: happen um and it's not a question of not it's not us that you have to can that needs to be

[2:02:34] Trustee Rogers: convinced it's it's basically whether the staff can in good faith say yes to the professional

[2:02:42] Trustee Rogers: advice that yes it does include that that's really the purpose of a legal opinion that's right but

[2:02:47] Planner Zupanec: But it would inform what types of changes you might want to make because it might identify some glaring problems with the way your bylaws drafted that you might want to fix.

[2:02:57] Planner Zupanec: And

[2:02:57] Trustee Rogers: in the meantime, the applicant could go ahead and apply for their building permit on the basis of their current uses and then plan to expand it, knowing that we're intent on facilitating that happening.

[2:03:10] Trustee Rogers: right

[2:03:11] Planner Zupanec: and that's a that's still a community planning exercise to be clear that that it

[2:03:16] Planner Zupanec: if the information comes back that that isn't a permitted use under the current zoning

[2:03:22] Planner Zupanec: it is a community planning exercise to expand the use or to be very clear about the manufacturing

[2:03:29] Planner Zupanec: and processing and then set the parameters for what that looks like without being overly

[2:03:34] Planner Zupanec: restrictive so that you limit flexibility again in the future but the community has the right

[2:03:39] Planner Zupanec: to understand things around noise screening uh wastewater all those types of things that come

[2:03:46] Planner Zupanec: with light industrial uses how large can this get on that particular site and are there other

[2:03:53] Planner Zupanec: properties um you know that would

[2:03:56] Planner Zupanec: benefit from that light industrial use i'm sure you've heard

[2:03:58] Planner Zupanec: in the community yes there's a dearth of light industrial land on gabriola

[2:04:03] Planner Zupanec: so you might be opening the door to that discussion as well it is a planning exercise

[2:04:08] Planner Zupanec: not just an administrative exercise yeah

[2:04:15] Trustee Colbourne: i would i would term it enterprise zone as opposed to like

[2:04:18] Trustee Colbourne: getting into industrial because we're really talking about low impact and circular economy

[2:04:22] Trustee Colbourne: type of things here um and and um i'm

[2:04:27] Planner Zupanec: just using that term because that's what you have currently

[2:04:30] Planner Zupanec: it's the closest

[2:04:31] Trustee Rogers: trustee colvin i i guess i'm coming around to uh should we just go get a

[2:04:36] Trustee Rogers: of legal opinion to provide some structure may solve the issue for us and if it doesn't at least

[2:04:42] Trustee Rogers: gives us some guidance or how would you like i'd

[2:04:45] Trustee Colbourne: like to do that but also concurrently just

[2:04:47] Trustee Colbourne: in terms of time is to is to initiate an ltc supported um bylaw amendment i know we have

[2:04:54] Trustee Colbourne: another delegation talking about some uses as well and so i think we need to be efficient

[2:04:58] Trustee Colbourne: obviously if the legal opinion comes back one way but i think we have to initiate a project here

[2:05:02] Trustee Colbourne: here today to change this, to make it clear,

[2:05:06] Trustee Colbourne: to make sure that we're flexible and adaptable

[2:05:09] Trustee Colbourne: to a modern definition of what recycling is

[2:05:11] Trustee Colbourne: and this incredibly valuable organization,

[2:05:15] Trustee Colbourne: what their current and future plans are.

[2:05:18] Trustee Colbourne: So I think the legal opinion, yes,

[2:05:19] Trustee Colbourne: but also initiate the project

[2:05:21] Trustee Colbourne: just so we're not losing time on that.

[2:05:22] Trustee Rogers: Do you wanna just make a motion

[2:05:23] Trustee Rogers: to ask staff to get a legal opinion regarding the use?

[2:05:27] Trustee Rogers: Yes, please.

[2:05:28] Trustee Rogers: Please.

[2:05:29] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so Nadine, there'll be a motion to request

[2:05:35] Trustee Rogers: that legal opinion to determine whether the proposed uses

[2:05:42] Trustee Rogers: are included in the current zoning.

[2:05:51] Voice 15: Okay.

[2:05:52] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so that's been moved by Trustee Colburn.

[2:05:55] Trustee Rogers: I'll second that all in favor.

[2:05:59] Trustee Rogers: And you wanted to also initiate a project

[2:06:03] Trustee Rogers: to amend bylaw yeah I guess we have to do it yeah you want to wait until the second delegation to

[2:06:12] Trustee Colbourne: see if there's a second the issue is that trustee long guys has recused himself from this right

[2:06:17] Trustee Colbourne: that's right so if we

[2:06:19] Trustee Colbourne: I mean it's too beautiful a day for this many technicalities folks I think

[2:06:25] Trustee Colbourne: we do have to keep these separate and yet they can't be separate I guess they have to be

[2:06:33] Trustee Colbourne: separate projects or bylaw amendments i mean i'm not sure it has to be a project to be a bylaw

[2:06:39] Trustee Colbourne: amendment that's another question for the planning staff is you know if you add these as projects and

[2:06:43] Trustee Colbourne: they go on the project list is this to sort of sit there i mean this is again there's sort of a time

[2:06:49] Trustee Colbourne: expedited um issue here so so

[2:06:52] Planner Zupanec: your your top priority project list is on the agenda today

[2:06:56] Planner Zupanec: for discussion that's the point in time in the agenda that you can determine whether or not you

[2:07:01] Planner Zupanec: You are making changes to that or the project list, whether you're reordering the priorities to direct primarily me as to how I use the hours I have every week towards your top priority projects.

[2:07:15] Trustee Rogers: Yeah. And right now you're working on the housing project.

[2:07:18] Trustee Rogers: You're working on a couple of applications.

[2:07:21] Planner Zupanec: I just finished the transportation grant project.

[2:07:25] Planner Zupanec: So now I'm supposed to theoretically move on to housing, which hasn't started.

[2:07:30] Planner Zupanec: uh but yes you have you have some significant so

[2:07:34] Trustee Rogers: if this if this was a um an application

[2:07:42] Trustee Rogers: then they there could be a request for the ec to sponsor this application i

[2:07:48] Planner Zupanec: think it meets the

[2:07:49] Planner Zupanec: criteria for sponsors

[2:07:50] Trustee Rogers: it does meet the the you know they it checked all the boxes for the but

[2:07:56] Trustee Rogers: it the process is they have to pay the application fee and then the ec sponsors it and refunds the

[2:08:01] Trustee Rogers: the money i mean it's a

[2:08:02] Trustee Rogers: complicated process um but if they did that that would put it on the

[2:08:07] Trustee Rogers: applications list which means any planner could do it that's right

[2:08:10] Trustee Rogers: and it could be moving through

[2:08:12] Trustee Rogers: the applications list quickly um or at least we could we could ask that it be moved to the top of

[2:08:20] Trustee Rogers: the applications um or be expedited through the i i i don't want to complicate things for the

[2:08:27] Trustee Rogers: for the delegation,

[2:08:29] Trustee Rogers: but that might be the better way to go

[2:08:31] Trustee Rogers: because then we don't have to make decisions

[2:08:34] Trustee Rogers: regarding projects.

[2:08:36] Trustee Rogers: It just goes in the applications list

[2:08:39] Trustee Rogers: to change the zoning and to include this.

[2:08:44] Trustee Rogers: And then there's a very simple form to apply to the EC

[2:08:49] Trustee Rogers: to sponsor the application so that the fee is refunded.

[2:08:53] Trustee Rogers: I'm not sure what a rezoning application costs these days.

[2:08:57] Trustee Rogers: it's just under five

[2:08:58] Planner Zupanec: thousand dollars how

[2:09:00] Trustee Rogers: much just

[2:09:01] Planner Zupanec: under five thousand

[2:09:02] Planner Zupanec: oh

[2:09:03] Trustee Rogers: so

[2:09:06] Planner Zupanec: the ec would be paying for that full application amount um

[2:09:11] Trustee Rogers: so let me ask you another

[2:09:14] Trustee Rogers: question can this be done under a temporary use permit no

[2:09:19] Planner Zupanec: the gabriella land use bylaw doesn't

[2:09:25] Planner Zupanec: contemplate this use but while you guys are chatting i'll just reconfirm okay

[2:09:32] Trustee Rogers: so that that's

[2:09:33] Trustee Rogers: not that's not the way to go then i did i i'd forgotten that the application rezoning was so

[2:09:39] Trustee Rogers: was so high um it's just that it gets it into a different stream of work

[2:09:46] Trustee Rogers: sorry is there is there a budget that the ec has that like well

[2:09:50] Trustee Rogers: we do we do um

[2:09:53] Trustee Rogers: we do have a budget we routinely exceed actually a discussion item at the ec because we've got so

[2:10:02] Trustee Rogers: many affordable housing projects that we've got a budget of five thousand dollars and we're spending

[2:10:06] Trustee Rogers: between 15 and 20 already just because of all the housing applications that are coming in

[2:10:11] Trustee Rogers: um i just hadn't contemplated that something like this was which is the same price as the as a

[2:10:18] Trustee Rogers: rezoning for a housing project um for

[2:10:20] Trustee Colbourne: a non-profit let's be clear non-profit

[2:10:23] Trustee Rogers: yeah yeah no no we just

[2:10:24] Trustee Rogers: did one for um uh for uh but it was a tup it was uh uh for a child care center on main island

[2:10:32] Trustee Rogers: right but that was five hundred dollars not five thousand um so it's um which is why i asked the

[2:10:39] Trustee Rogers: question um so it doesn't it doesn't make any sense i think trustee colbert i think we're going

[2:10:46] Trustee Rogers: to have to try and sort of put this through on our projects list because then it's our project not

[2:10:51] Trustee Rogers: not their application would

[2:10:55] Planner Zupanec: you like to wait until the legal no

[2:11:00] Trustee Rogers: okay no

[2:11:01] Trustee Rogers: no i think we have

[2:11:03] Trustee Rogers: to act concurrently um anyway i'm going to i'm going to uh um it's going to be tricky with case

[2:11:12] Trustee Rogers: recusing himself but um because we can't really talk about priorities until we get to the actual

[2:11:20] Trustee Rogers: top priorities list can

[2:11:23] Trustee Colbourne: we be i see where you're going because we have another delegation we're

[2:11:26] Trustee Colbourne: going to discuss that could we just make like institutional zoning update like just make it

[2:11:31] Trustee Colbourne: kind of vague um and make it site specific to um to these two sites in terms of this project and

[2:11:40] Trustee Colbourne: so just we keep the scope quite small in terms of of of time you

[2:11:47] Planner Zupanec: mean for phc and gyro that's right

[2:11:51] Trustee Colbourne: like just look at look at the institution one i think they're i think they're both looking at the

[2:11:55] Trustee Colbourne: same zone right correct so just to review and update of institution one i

[2:12:05] Trustee Rogers: see sonja nodding

[2:12:07] Trustee Rogers: she's thinking yeah

[2:12:09] Planner Zupanec: i that that would be how to deal with these two requests absolutely so let's

[2:12:15] Trustee Rogers: do that and then when we get to the top priorities list i don't it's just going to be tricky to how

[2:12:20] Trustee Rogers: to have case part of that conversation but not part of that conversation um and uh uh and then

[2:12:27] Trustee Rogers: we can see if we can figure out a way with the resourcing that's available to get this done in

[2:12:33] Trustee Rogers: in a relatively quick period of time.

[2:12:38] Trustee Rogers: I mean, I appreciate, you know,

[2:12:40] Trustee Rogers: resources are always a problem

[2:12:41] Trustee Rogers: and, you know, there's lots of important stuff going on

[2:12:46] Trustee Rogers: and I noticed the RPM hasn't turned her camera on

[2:12:50] Trustee Rogers: because she will be with us during the,

[2:12:53] Trustee Rogers: oh, there she is.

[2:12:57] Trustee Rogers: We can talk about it during the top priorities list.

[2:13:00] Trustee Rogers: That's fine.

[2:13:02] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, so I move that we initiate a project to update and review the Institution One zone.

[2:13:11] Trustee Colbourne: I second that.

[2:13:14] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so I think we've talked about it enough, and I apologize for what looks like an overly technical approach to solve your problem, but I hope it's been clear enough to you why this is necessary for us.

[2:13:27] Trustee Rogers: I know it can be.

[2:13:30] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, anyway.

[2:13:31] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so I'm going to call the vote.

[2:13:33] Trustee Rogers: All in favor?

[2:13:34] Trustee Rogers: so that passes and i suggest we just talk about that when we get to the end of the agenda and

[2:13:39] Trustee Rogers: thank you very much for your presentation your delegation will do thank

[2:13:43] Voice 12: you so much thank you

[2:13:45] Voice 12: for your time yeah

[2:13:46] Trustee Rogers: thank you thanks sonia i that was uh i appreciate your work on that so um uh

[2:13:54] Trustee Rogers: what's your desire uh trustee colburn and i i'm not sure what is we have another delegation which

[2:14:00] Trustee Rogers: which is Bodle-Ellens.

[2:14:04] Trustee Rogers: Should we take our break or, or I'm not sure.

[2:14:08] Trustee Rogers: I don't see that person.

[2:14:16] Trustee Rogers: Yes, there he is. Or she, she, yes.

[2:14:21] Trustee Rogers: I was, I, do you want to take your break?

[2:14:23] Trustee Rogers: Well, maybe we'll ask whether they're available.

[2:14:25] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, that's

[2:14:26] Trustee Colbourne: what I was going to suggest is just ask Bodle if she's.

[2:14:28] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah,

[2:14:28] Trustee Rogers: Bodle, if you could, we unmute, unmute Bodle, please.

[2:14:33] Trustee Rogers: You'll be able to speak now.

[2:14:35] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[2:14:37] Voice 1: We're fine with waiting a few more minutes if you need to take a break.

[2:14:40] Voice 1: Well,

[2:14:40] Trustee Rogers: I was just thinking, I don't know, what do you want to do, Trustee Colburn?

[2:14:44] Trustee Rogers: I

[2:14:44] Trustee Colbourne: was thinking maybe a lunch break, and then that gives time for Trustee Langeris to log back in in like half an hour or so.

[2:14:51] Trustee Colbourne: So let's say 1.15.

[2:14:55] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[2:14:56] Trustee Rogers: Thanks very much.

[2:14:58] Trustee Rogers: Thanks very much, Ms. O'Hanlon-Bodle.

[2:15:00] Trustee Rogers: We'll see you everyone at 1.15, and we'll carry on with the next delegation.

[2:15:05] Trustee Rogers: and um uh thanks very much so we'll take our break and we'll um i'll uh i'm gonna guess

[2:15:18] Trustee Rogers: i could never guess i'm gonna guess that that we're gonna be like 2 30 anyway by the time we

[2:15:27] Trustee Rogers: get to the uh in camera section so

[2:15:30] Voice 3: let's uh okay

[2:15:32] Trustee Rogers: so i think we'll just stick with that i was gonna

[2:15:34] Trustee Rogers: I thought we might be earlier than that,

[2:15:36] Trustee Rogers: but I think that's what's going to happen.

[2:15:39] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[2:15:40] Voice 19: Okay, so we'll plan it for that.

[2:15:42] Voice 19: Thanks very much.

[2:44:12] Voice 19: Hi, Nadine. We're coming back now.

[2:44:15] Trustee Rogers: It's 1.15. Thank you for joining us. I'll just wait until the other trustees join us.

[2:44:25] Voice 19: Yes, Mr. Cox. Planner Cox has his hand up.

[2:44:30] Voice 19: Oh, hello there. Can you hear me?

[2:44:36] Voice 16: I can.

[2:44:37] Voice 16: Okay. I'm just raising my hand for Will to possibly promote me in anticipation of maybe providing staff support to the next delegation.

[2:44:45] Voice 16: Okay. Thank you very much. And

[2:44:48] Trustee Rogers: could you, Will, could you also please promote Odo? Thank you.

[2:44:54] Trustee Colbourne: And I'm here. I'm just still eating and I'm not really a fan of streaming eating. So I'll be

[2:45:00] Trustee Colbourne: having the camera off for a few minutes.

[2:45:02] Trustee Rogers: Thanks very much, Trustee Colburn. That's fine.

[2:45:04] Trustee Rogers: So we're pleased to have a second delegation from People for a Healthy Community.

[2:45:09] Trustee Rogers: um and i believe it's a little ellen's that's going to be presenting uh we could promote her

[2:45:17] Trustee Rogers: if possible will there there's the um this was in the package at page 37 that document

[2:45:25] Trustee Rogers: can

[2:45:43] Voice 1: you hear me i

[2:45:45] Trustee Rogers: can hear you uh you're welcome to turn your camera on if you wish

[2:45:48] Trustee Rogers: or you don't have to if you don't want to

[2:45:51] Voice 1: that's it yeah there

[2:45:55] Trustee Rogers: you go hello hi

[2:45:57] Voice 1: Hi.

[2:45:58] Trustee Rogers: Nice to meet you.

[2:45:59] Voice 1: Nice to meet you. I'm Bodle Ellens, and I'm a past chair, current board member

[2:46:06] Voice 1: of PHC. Other members of our delegation are Howard Houle, who is also a board member,

[2:46:14] Voice 1: member of our committee for new facilities venture, and my husband, Jerry Ellens, is a

[2:46:23] Voice 1: community volunteer member also on our our committee for looking for new

[2:46:29] Voice 1: facilities so just a little bit of background PHC has been in existence for

[2:46:36] Voice 1: over 25 years on Gabriela and during that time had continued to meet the

[2:46:43] Voice 1: needs various needs be responsive to the community we're a registered charity our

[2:46:51] Voice 1: current board has 12 working members we employ 19 individuals which most of them are part-time

[2:46:59] Voice 1: so it works out to about nine full-time equivalent positions we have well over 150 volunteers

[2:47:10] Voice 1: who work with us on a regular basis most of our programs are are listed in the handout

[2:47:17] Voice 1: out that um that you have that's on the screen we also collaborate with other gabriola organizations

[2:47:25] Voice 1: so we we do work together with the aggie hall um farmers co-op with the gabriola health collaborative

[2:47:34] Voice 1: the rollo center gertie the lions club and and many other organizations on various initiatives

[2:47:41] Voice 1: initiatives were funded through grants and private donation. So currently, and for about

[2:47:51] Voice 1: the last 10 to 12 years, we've been occupying, renting the space on the lower floor of the

[2:47:57] Voice 1: Commons farmhouse. And in the last, well, even previous to the COVID pandemic, where things

[2:48:06] Voice 1: things became even more difficult um we've just outgrown the space we just simply don't have

[2:48:13] Voice 1: enough enough room to to operate and so we struck this facilities committee and have been scanning

[2:48:21] Voice 1: the the community for a land and a place that we could possibly develop and during that we were we

[2:48:29] Voice 1: were focused on institutional one zoning and during that scan the the rollo center stepped up

[2:48:37] Voice 1: and and offered us an opportunity to further develop their site which is also zoned

[2:48:46] Voice 1: institutional one so that's great it's a it's a an excellent location for phc because it would

[2:48:56] Voice 1: would still be um neighbor to the the commons where we have the quite a few community gardens

[2:49:03] Voice 1: that we use to support the the grocery program and the school lunch programs and such we're still

[2:49:12] Voice 1: would be across the the road from the community or sorry from the public school which which we

[2:49:19] Voice 1: we have several you know programs with and also the rollo center where a lot of our seniors

[2:49:27] Voice 1: programs we we work in conjunction with so the site is great so we're pretty excited

[2:49:33] Voice 1: about that and then we started looking into you know getting down to okay what are the

[2:49:38] Voice 1: steps that we do next and so looking at the zoning and we were surprised to see that while

[2:49:45] Voice 1: While Community Resource Centre is listed, it's designated only to one site, which is the site

[2:49:54] Voice 1: occupied by the Hope Centre. And the Hope Centre is a community resource centre. It has programs

[2:50:02] Voice 1: for children and youth, parents. But we really believe that Gabriola obviously has use for

[2:50:11] Voice 1: broader resources than than just that so in the official community plan for

[2:50:20] Voice 1: Gabriela it stated that an objective is to provide for institutional uses which

[2:50:28] Voice 1: meet the needs of the local community and we think that PHC clearly

[2:50:33] Voice 1: demonstrates this so I think we're the the ideas were supported by the

[2:50:40] Voice 1: community that by the official community plan also the gabriola bylaw defines community resource

[2:50:49] Voice 1: center as a building structure or facility or use intended to support community initiatives

[2:50:57] Voice 1: and organizations but does not include commercial enterprise or for-profit endeavors and so again

[2:51:04] Voice 1: this definition basically perfectly describes what people for a healthy community do so we're

[2:51:12] Voice 1: not looking for a rezoning what we're because really there is no zone that has community

[2:51:20] Voice 1: resource center in it except the institutional one where it's limited so what we're asking for

[2:51:26] Voice 1: is if staff would consider preparing and implementing a friendly amendment to the

[2:51:34] Voice 1: permitted use list under the existing institutional one zone so right now there's a list and and one

[2:51:43] Voice 1: of them is community resource center on land shown on schedule c map 13 and that's the hope

[2:51:51] Voice 1: center property and so we are wondering if there would be any appetite to modify that so it simply

[2:51:59] Voice 1: read community resource center as that being an allowed use in institutional one this would be

[2:52:07] Voice 1: similar to other of the listed permitted uses that are unencumbered such as public assembly

[2:52:15] Voice 1: and recreation centers and daycares and preschools that community resource center then be

[2:52:23] Voice 1: an additional one not just restrictive to one only site so that's it and

[2:52:33] Voice 1: all of us could answer questions if there are any thank you thank

[2:52:40] Trustee Rogers: you i'll just turn to the

[2:52:41] Trustee Rogers: trustees for questions yeah go ahead trustee yeah

[2:52:46] Voice 14: i i find it odd that it's just limited to just one

[2:52:50] Voice 14: uh institutional lot it is very odd because it is sort of a it's it's a use that has the potential

[2:52:58] Voice 14: to be used in multiple places and in fact when i think about it uh right now they're located in

[2:53:06] Voice 14: in the commons and is that even within their zone?

[2:53:10] Voice 14: So it seems it's almost,

[2:53:12] Voice 14: I'm not sure

[2:53:13] Voice 14: why it was limited originally

[2:53:15] Voice 14: to just the one zone or to the one lot I'm in.

[2:53:19] Voice 14: I'm not

[2:53:19] Voice 14: sure what the rationale was for that

[2:53:22] Voice 14: because it's a wide range of uses in the,

[2:53:25] Voice 14: generally in the IN1 zones.

[2:53:28] Trustee Rogers: Let's get, Planner Cox has joined us

[2:53:31] Trustee Rogers: and thank you, Planner Cox.

[2:53:33] Trustee Rogers: because I assume you have some information or advice or analysis of this that you'd like to

[2:53:39] Trustee Rogers: share with us.

[2:53:41] Voice 16: Yeah, thank you, Chair. So I just, I'm on here now just and listening to the trustee's

[2:53:47] Voice 16: question. I can respond to that because I was the one who was in contact with this society

[2:53:56] Voice 16: and prior to them making delegation. So this is one of these legacy pieces again about the bylaw

[2:54:03] Voice 16: where it was very specific site-specific recognizing a historic use on a property

[2:54:08] Voice 16: and it's similar to the delegation similar I say to the previous

[2:54:12] Voice 16: delegation right and so you know there's some technical pieces about the

[2:54:19] Voice 16: rezoning but it would be or could be something like a map amendment or a

[2:54:24] Voice 16: simpler text amendment and a map amendment it's hard to say why in the

[2:54:28] Voice 16: past um the you know the exact reason for why was that particular use is only on the hope center

[2:54:35] Voice 16: property but that's just again it's a legacy piece about the bylaw and so um you know um

[2:54:41] Voice 16: that i believe is what what the the delegation is is requested we had discussed um through their

[2:54:49] Voice 16: inquiry we had discussed the options for sponsorship of the application either ec or

[2:54:54] Voice 16: or LTC initiated.

[2:54:56] Trustee Rogers: Right, and Trustee Longares, you won't know this,

[2:55:00] Trustee Rogers: but we just added to our project list

[2:55:03] Trustee Rogers: and we'll be discussing as we get to the end a project

[2:55:06] Trustee Rogers: to get the exact language,

[2:55:10] Trustee Rogers: but to reconsider the institutional one zoning

[2:55:16] Trustee Rogers: based on the previous delegation,

[2:55:19] Trustee Rogers: but knowing this delegation was coming too.

[2:55:21] Trustee Rogers: Because my understanding would be,

[2:55:22] Trustee Rogers: although it's not a zoning change

[2:55:24] Trustee Rogers: change being requested, it would be a bylaw amendment

[2:55:26] Trustee Rogers: to do some of the things that Ms. Ellen's talked about.

[2:55:31] Trustee Rogers: Is if you add lists or change the map, amend the map,

[2:55:34] Trustee Rogers: or it's still, that's all embodied in the bylaw itself.

[2:55:38] Trustee Rogers: Right?

[2:55:40] Voice 14: Yeah. Yeah.

[2:55:41] Voice 14: It's almost sounds like what's occurring with pages Marina.

[2:55:46] Trustee Rogers: Well, interestingly that came up in the last delegation

[2:55:51] Trustee Rogers: to pages Marina.

[2:55:52] Voice 14: Mayor Mrakas, Except

[2:55:52] Voice 14: that requires an amendment to the regulations as well, but in this case, as it was mentioned by planter Cox is across hatching would also address it and retain it as site specific.

[2:56:05] Voice 16: Mayor Mrakas, Well, it is very, very similar and it is a zoning change I mean you're adding you're adding a permitted use to a property right it's a site specific change, so you know it is, it is technically.

[2:56:16] Voice 16: a reason, but I appreciate the concept that it's not revamping the whole zone. No, it's adding

[2:56:24] Voice 16: permitted use to an existing zone. And

[2:56:27] Trustee Rogers: I see Sonia has turned her camera on. Did you have

[2:56:30] Trustee Rogers: something to add to this conversation?

[2:56:31] Planner Zupanec: Or way that in your discussions, you've heard the delegate

[2:56:34] Planner Zupanec: ask that this possibly be considered across the entire institutional zone, that it not be in a

[2:56:40] Planner Zupanec: geographically encumbered site-specific use again, because then you really are limiting the

[2:56:46] Planner Zupanec: flexibility in the future for a legitimate community service providers to have real estate

[2:56:52] Planner Zupanec: limited whereas we have entire commercial zones that have no real site-specific geographies

[2:56:59] Planner Zupanec: limited but we don't do the same for the institutional so it's just really unfair

[2:57:03] Planner Zupanec: almost and and we would encourage you to look at not doing a site-specific map amendment again

[2:57:11] Trustee Rogers: and i think our motion earlier today and trustee longaris will get a chance to see it when

[2:57:17] Trustee Rogers: when we talk about it when we get to our projects is was broad enough to and to be to include what

[2:57:25] Trustee Rogers: you just said i believe it might not my correct yeah

[2:57:31] Trustee Colbourne: it was to review and update the institution

[2:57:33] Trustee Colbourne: one zone in light of right the current uses could i ask phc and bold question just about whether or

[2:57:39] Voice 19: not

[2:57:39] Trustee Colbourne: community resource center and we just get we've just talked about sort of definitions whether

[2:57:45] Trustee Colbourne: or not that's a broad enough to be kind of future proof what's going to the services are going to be

[2:57:50] Trustee Colbourne: provided and that if you can provide some sort of timeline so we understand when these changes

[2:57:57] Trustee Colbourne: or potential partnership or or building permits and applications might come forward so for our

[2:58:04] Voice 1: our project um we're probably some time off because we you know we're nowhere near applying

[2:58:11] Voice 1: for building permit we're still in the dreaming scheming idea but before we we decide to do

[2:58:19] Voice 1: anything we we recognize that we do have to fit within some kind of zoning whether whether it's

[2:58:25] Voice 1: on the rollo property or on any other piece of property um so we're not we're not not like gyro

[2:58:33] Voice 1: we're not you know we're not sort of pushing ahead right now we're definitely pushing ahead

[2:58:37] Voice 1: but it's going to take us a while both for fundraising and just to get all the programming

[2:58:42] Voice 1: and and whatever sorted out um i think that we're also a little bit different than gyro in that

[2:58:50] Voice 1: community resource center is defined already in the gabriola bylaw and and it's defined i think

[2:58:58] Voice 1: it's quite broad that it that it uh i don't i think it's a pretty good definition but that's

[2:59:06] Voice 1: not for me to say but it just seems like it's

[2:59:08] Trustee Colbourne: fairly broad

[2:59:10] Voice 1: yeah

[2:59:11] Trustee Colbourne: i'd want to make sure that

[2:59:12] Trustee Colbourne: the the if we if we advance this project that the the the definition of what that family resource

[2:59:19] Trustee Colbourne: or that community resource center is fits your intended use so that we're not doing this again

[2:59:24] Trustee Colbourne: or there's changes and I could anticipate that some services may be distributed in different

[2:59:28] Trustee Colbourne: places and provided by on different properties as well is that a potential is that that's why

[2:59:33] Trustee Colbourne: not having a site-specific zone but having it more broadly applied would give you more options

[2:59:38] Trustee Colbourne: yeah

[2:59:38] Voice 19: that's correct okay

[2:59:48] Trustee Rogers: I'm not seeing any more questions for the delegation and and I

[2:59:51] Trustee Rogers: I but I should get in for I should tell the trustee Langer as we already passed

[2:59:55] Trustee Rogers: a motion related to reviewing and updating institutional

[2:59:59] Trustee Rogers: institutional

[3:00:01] Trustee Rogers: and I would think this,

[3:00:04] Trustee Rogers: that motion would capture this application as well,

[3:00:07] Trustee Rogers: or this delegation's request as well.

[3:00:09] Trustee Rogers: When we talk through a rezoning application is expensive.

[3:00:15] Trustee Rogers: And so we put it on our project list

[3:00:18] Trustee Rogers: and we'll talk about it when we get the priorities list

[3:00:22] Trustee Rogers: at the end of the meeting today, if that's okay.

[3:00:27] Trustee Rogers: I don't know, does anybody else have any other questions?

[3:00:29] Trustee Rogers: If not, we'll thank the delegation.

[3:00:31] Trustee Rogers: Is there anything else you'd like to say to let us know?

[3:00:35] Trustee Rogers: Bowdoin?

[3:00:36] Trustee Rogers: Bowdoin?

[3:00:37] Trustee Rogers: Okay.

[3:00:37] Trustee Rogers: Well, thank you very much.

[3:00:39] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much.

[3:00:41] Trustee Rogers: Thanks for having us.

[3:00:42] Trustee Rogers: I haven't had the need to avail your services,

[3:00:47] Trustee Rogers: but I hear a lot about your organization.

[3:00:49] Trustee Rogers: So thank you very much for the work that you do in the community.

[3:00:53] Trustee Rogers: So we'll talk to you soon.

[3:00:56] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[3:00:58] Trustee Rogers: So thank you. That takes us through the two delegations. And so you know,

[3:01:04] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Lager, we already dealt with 11.2. So we just went to 11.2 so you wouldn't have to

[3:01:12] Trustee Rogers: go away again. So the next thing is the letter that was referenced by the correspondence. We

[3:01:18] Trustee Rogers: have the letter from Margaret Taylor, Dr. Margaret Taylor, that's here that Trustee

[3:01:26] Trustee Rogers: as Trustee Colburn referenced earlier.

[3:01:29] Trustee Rogers: Is there any comments or anything

[3:01:31] Trustee Rogers: that trustees would like to, yes, go ahead Trustee Cork.

[3:01:34] Trustee Colbourne: Well, first of all, this is a real, it's a moving letter.

[3:01:38] Trustee Colbourne: It's from someone who's really put her land and her brain

[3:01:43] Trustee Colbourne: where her mouth and her ideas are.

[3:01:44] Trustee Colbourne: And I'm really honored tonight after this meeting

[3:01:47] Trustee Colbourne: to be going to Burns Acres, which has been donated

[3:01:51] Trustee Colbourne: to the Islands Trust Conservancy and GALT,

[3:01:54] Trustee Colbourne: the Gabriel Land and Trails Trust is holding a broom removal session there tonight and so I just

[3:02:01] Trustee Colbourne: want to thank Margaret for some real leadership and I think this is sort of a founding document

[3:02:09] Trustee Colbourne: of conversation for all community members and representatives and layers of government to

[3:02:15] Trustee Colbourne: really get down to talking about the impacts that we're having on each other and the place that we

[3:02:21] Trustee Colbourne: we are so um thank you i want to thank her for this and and recognize um what she's done in

[3:02:27] Trustee Colbourne: terms of setting aside an important um area of forest and land and um i'm really looking forward

[3:02:34] Trustee Colbourne: to tonight where we sort of actively steward that and um yeah i i was i was really moved by this

[3:02:40] Trustee Colbourne: letter i'd i'd really recommend that um um people take a good deep read of this and um i thank

[3:02:46] Trustee Colbourne: thank Margaret for sending it to us yeah

[3:02:49] Voice 14: I have to concur with with the letter I mean I think

[3:02:52] Voice 14: she's reflecting the views of a lot of people as well on the island which is becoming you know

[3:02:58] Voice 14: there's a stronger voice in the community about the issue of the loss of the forest cover that

[3:03:05] Voice 14: we're experiencing so no I applaud her for the writing the letter and we need to follow through

[3:03:14] Voice 14: and what she you know what she's talking about thank

[3:03:24] Voice 19: you for those thoughts and for

[3:03:25] Trustee Rogers: dr taylor's

[3:03:27] Trustee Rogers: letter um so uh the next item on the agenda is uh the annual report uh i'm not quite it's somewhat

[3:03:38] Trustee Rogers: uh rpm cower is going to and just for the members of the public um this is a the annual report is a

[3:03:45] Trustee Rogers: a document that the the trust the island's trust puts together every year as a report to the

[3:03:51] Trustee Rogers: provincial government because we're a creature of statute and we have a requirement to provide a

[3:03:56] Trustee Rogers: an annual report and it is uh introduced into the let the legislature um i was going to say

[3:04:04] Trustee Rogers: usually in the early fall because we usually get it in sometime in late june early early part of

[3:04:10] Trustee Rogers: the summer uh and it includes all the rewards from all the various um local trust committees

[3:04:16] Trustee Rogers: because we have we're an independent uh body in a sense we under the legislation it includes a

[3:04:22] Trustee Rogers: fulsome um a discussion of all the activities of the trust and the local trust committees

[3:04:29] Trustee Rogers: and you can find it on the honest trust website and so uh rpm cower you want to introduce this

[3:04:38] Trustee Rogers: this document.

[3:04:40] Voice 7: Yeah, this

[3:04:41] Voice 7: represents the language that staff proposes

[3:04:45] Voice 7: to put into the annual report regarding the activities

[3:04:49] Voice 7: that the LTC has undertaken and staff over the last year

[3:04:54] Voice 7: on behalf of the LTC.

[3:04:56] Voice 7: So we're looking at a motion to adopt this language

[3:05:00] Voice 7: and I'd be okay with you not reading the whole thing

[3:05:05] Voice 7: if the chair is okay with that,

[3:05:07] Voice 7: but just as written if that's the way you'd like to do it but yeah this

[3:05:11] Voice 7: is this is our language

[3:05:12] Voice 7: but

[3:05:13] Trustee Rogers: let's see how the trustees feel about the actual report itself sure and and i should say

[3:05:18] Trustee Rogers: that just for everyone's understanding is is that uh well it doesn't appear in this particular

[3:05:26] Trustee Rogers: this particular report the the action or the section the actual report itself will have a

[3:05:34] Trustee Rogers: fulsome declaration understanding or declaration of our reconciliation and our commitment to

[3:05:41] Trustee Rogers: reconciliation principles etc so all of that will be at the outset of the report and then there will

[3:05:46] Trustee Rogers: be the subject anyway but i turn to the trustees and and ask whether you have any comments or or

[3:05:57] Trustee Rogers: or suggestions related to it?

[3:06:01] Voice 14: No,

[3:06:02] Trustee Rogers: that's fine.

[3:06:03] Trustee Rogers: Nothing Trustee Lageras, Trustee Colburn?

[3:06:04] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, I don't have anything, no.

[3:06:07] Trustee Rogers: Okay, so I'm happy if you just make the motion

[3:06:10] Trustee Rogers: and just say, endorse the text as presented.

[3:06:17] Trustee Colbourne: Okay, I'm happy to do that.

[3:06:19] Trustee Rogers: Go ahead.

[3:06:19] Trustee Colbourne: I move that the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee

[3:06:22] Trustee Colbourne: endorse the following text for inclusion in the 2020-2021

[3:06:27] Trustee Colbourne: one annual report for approval by the Islands Trust Council

[3:06:29] Trustee Colbourne: and submissions to the Minister of Municipal Affairs

[3:06:30] Trustee Colbourne: and Housing as presented.

[3:06:32] Trustee Colbourne: Great.

[3:06:33] Voice 14: I'll second that.

[3:06:35] Trustee Rogers: Okay, any further discussion?

[3:06:37] Trustee Rogers: If not, I'll call the vote.

[3:06:39] Trustee Rogers: All in favor?

[3:06:40] Trustee Rogers: So that passes unanimously.

[3:06:42] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much for whoever put this together,

[3:06:45] Trustee Rogers: whether it was you, RPM Cowher or somebody else.

[3:06:49] Trustee Rogers: That takes us to, we've already done with 11.2.

[3:06:54] Trustee Rogers: then we have the uh the bay link and this is the the connected coast um which i've been hearing

[3:07:03] Trustee Rogers: about uh for about four years um as we move our way through uh here they are uh asking for an

[3:07:12] Trustee Rogers: endorsement i don't know if there's any does any staff wish to

[3:07:15] Voice 19: discuss this or should we just leave

[3:07:17] Voice 19: to the trustees i don't have any comments okay so uh trustees um

[3:07:26] Trustee Rogers: they've asked us specifically for

[3:07:29] Trustee Rogers: a um and i understand that they're available too if we want to ask them any questions

[3:07:35] Trustee Rogers: um there were two people that uh that have indicated to our staff that they would be

[3:07:43] Trustee Rogers: available to answer any questions for the trustees if you had any questions for them

[3:07:47] Trustee Rogers: uh so i'm happy to ask them to join us if you wish to yeah trustee colder yeah

[3:07:54] Trustee Colbourne: i had some

[3:07:55] Trustee Colbourne: questions regarding which um just just because we've got many different islands within this

[3:08:00] Trustee Colbourne: trust area whether or not it just applies to gig roller or also mudging to corsi who have

[3:08:04] Trustee Colbourne: raised issues around connectivity for quite a while

[3:08:07] Trustee Rogers: right and that'd be a good question to ask

[3:08:10] Trustee Rogers: them i know that they do not go to all oh there's somebody here's here hello and i was going to say

[3:08:18] Trustee Rogers: we'd have to invite you, but there you are. So, Ms. Katnick, if you want to introduce yourself,

[3:08:25] Trustee Rogers: and then there was that one question.

[3:08:26] Voice 6: Sure. So, thank you for letting me participate today. My

[3:08:30] Voice 6: name is Cheryl Katnick. I'm the permitting and engagement lead on behalf of the Connected Coast

[3:08:35] Voice 6: Partnership. I'm working closely with Baylink, who are engineers, designers, installation company,

[3:08:42] Voice 6: contractors, and we're working through our design and permitting process for the various parts

[3:08:48] Voice 6: parts of Connected Coast. As you know, you may know or not know, it's an entirely, it's a very

[3:08:54] Voice 6: large project that will go all the way from Prince Rupert around Vancouver Island and over to

[3:08:58] Voice 6: Vancouver, including the Sunshine Coast. We're currently focused on the area between Campbell

[3:09:03] Voice 6: River down to Nanaimo and across to Vancouver, as well as a lot of effort is going up into some

[3:09:08] Voice 6: connections up around Haida Gwaii. And one of the important connections for us is coming down into

[3:09:15] Voice 6: Nanaimo and across to Vancouver and we've been working actively on figuring out landing sites

[3:09:21] Voice 6: around the Nanaimo area. We have made engineering plans and we'll be making connections to Denman

[3:09:29] Voice 6: and Hornby so that's underway, the engineering's been worked out, the locations, that kind of thing

[3:09:35] Voice 6: Baylink is actively working on that. We have received two letters of support from the Islands

[3:09:40] Voice 6: trust for those particular landings so we're at the point now with our Nanaimo connection that we

[3:09:46] Voice 6: would like to have a landing on the island on Gabriola so that we can not only make our

[3:09:53] Voice 6: connections as we come eventually from South Island, North Island and eventually if needed

[3:09:59] Voice 6: maybe a connection into Nanaimo maybe to the port and then that would be our connection out to

[3:10:05] Voice 6: Vancouver. We had looked at some previous landings around the port lands, around the ferry terminal,

[3:10:13] Voice 6: and those are just not feasible. So this is where we've come to the point where we'd like to

[3:10:19] Voice 6: ask for permission. We're working with MODY with regards to these landings as well,

[3:10:25] Voice 6: and it was mentioned in the letter, the location, the potential location that we're looking to

[3:10:29] Voice 6: propose. So that's what we wanted to put the information forward and make ourselves available

[3:10:34] Voice 6: to answer any questions share additional details that kind of thing yeah

[3:10:41] Voice 14: i have a question yeah

[3:10:43] Voice 14: sorry

[3:10:43] Trustee Rogers: there was a specific question from trustee colburn about mudging the course

[3:10:48] Trustee Rogers: and and whether this is a any plans to go there i don't i

[3:10:58] Voice 6: will need to look those up that would be

[3:11:00] Voice 6: on the southern side right yeah

[3:11:03] Voice 4: that's right yeah

[3:11:04] Voice 6: that'll be in our 2022-2023 planning but i can

[3:11:09] Voice 6: pull those details up and i can send a quick email to confirm that through will and that can be sent

[3:11:14] Voice 6: to you if you'd like

[3:11:15] Voice 3: but also

[3:11:16] Voice 3: yeah our

[3:11:18] Voice 6: website has a great map on there that lists all it it does

[3:11:22] Voice 6: change a tiny bit but that's also a great resource but i'll send something through specific to will

[3:11:27] Voice 6: for sharing yeah

[3:11:28] Trustee Colbourne: if you look at the map you kind of see that that southern tip from yellow point

[3:11:31] Trustee Colbourne: and cedar over and mud and decorcy are sort of on the lee side and have a lot of antenna issues and

[3:11:36] Trustee Colbourne: and have raised some emergency response and safety issues

[3:11:41] Trustee Colbourne: that this could help address.

[3:11:43] Voice 6: Okay, let me take a look

[3:11:44] Voice 6: and I will get some information back to you.

[3:11:47] Voice 6: Okay, Trustee

[3:11:49] Trustee Rogers: Langer, I see you had a question.

[3:11:50] Voice 14: Yeah, I just had a question.

[3:11:51] Voice 14: Is the name of First Nation involved?

[3:11:54] Voice 6: Yes, we have

[3:11:55] Voice 6: shared our project details with the CINEMO

[3:11:59] Voice 6: and I've been continuing to share information

[3:12:03] Voice 6: with their lands department with regards to that.

[3:12:06] Voice 6: And I've been reaching out recently, trying to engage in a conversation with the potential for supporting some connectivity into one of their communities right downtown Nanaimo that I believe is having some connectivity issues.

[3:12:19] Voice 6: And that's fundamentally what this project is about, is serving those remote and Indigenous communities that are having internet reliability issues.

[3:12:29] Voice 6: So, yeah, it's higher on our priority.

[3:12:31] Voice 6: and

[3:12:32] Trustee Rogers: and um are they but they're also engaged not just in a service but also in and how they the the

[3:12:40] Trustee Rogers: uh and how the infrastructure is actually implemented correct

[3:12:46] Voice 6: so we we initially have

[3:12:48] Voice 6: reached out to them with regards to referral because and it'll be kind of encompassed in a

[3:12:53] Voice 6: few different ways because we've got permitting to go through with the province permitting to go

[3:12:58] Voice 6: through with the port and Transport Canada. So through all of those there will be mechanisms for

[3:13:05] Voice 6: funding to support their engagement in the consultation process with that too.

[3:13:09] Voice 6: So our efforts are an early engagement on the proponents side of things to provide as much

[3:13:15] Voice 6: information leading into the program as we can in advance of consultation.

[3:13:20] Trustee Rogers: Right and just so I'm

[3:13:23] Trustee Rogers: people watching are clear I think the trustees are probably clear this is a

[3:13:26] Trustee Rogers: a this is a a landing it's not a last mile project it it so you would if it arrived on

[3:13:34] Trustee Rogers: gabriel that would be the capability for another organization or group to be able to take that

[3:13:39] Trustee Rogers: signal it gets onto the island and develop a way to get it people's homes or businesses that's the

[3:13:46] Trustee Rogers: way i understand the project yeah yeah

[3:13:48] Voice 6: that's exactly it right

[3:13:51] Trustee Rogers: and

[3:13:52] Voice 6: it's an open opportunity

[3:13:53] Voice 6: too it's not limited to being city west it can be a local company isp or

[3:14:01] Trustee Rogers: uh or a not-for-profit

[3:14:03] Trustee Rogers: i've seen municipalities small villages that set up their own little not-for-profit that

[3:14:09] Trustee Rogers: takes the signal and then either buries the cable or does whatever they do with it to

[3:14:14] Trustee Rogers: get it to people's houses so correct

[3:14:16] Voice 3: that's

[3:14:17] Trustee Rogers: correct so it's it i just want to be clear

[3:14:21] Trustee Rogers: that people that don't it's this is not you know a service provider that's coming to your home

[3:14:26] Trustee Rogers: once this arrives on the island um unfortunately that's yeah

[3:14:31] Voice 6: there's it's a second stage of work

[3:14:33] Voice 6: that needs to be done if it's something that's of interest to them yeah sorry

[3:14:37] Voice 19: it's more

[3:14:38] Trustee Colbourne: it has

[3:14:39] Trustee Colbourne: more potential than the idea that someone had of the mine shaft that comes out from Nanaimo and

[3:14:44] Trustee Colbourne: goes almost a kilometer towards Gabriel and somebody the idea of putting strings and suit

[3:14:49] Trustee Colbourne: cans together and corresponding that way this seems like a much more um a little

[3:14:54] Voice 6: bit more robust

[3:14:55] Trustee Colbourne: yeah exactly i'm

[3:14:57] Voice 6: sorry if you don't mind me asking the the service to the homes on the island

[3:15:03] Voice 6: currently i'm

[3:15:05] Trustee Rogers: sorry is

[3:15:06] Voice 6: the the existing services is that uh a fiber to the home or i

[3:15:11] Trustee Rogers: actually don't

[3:15:12] Trustee Rogers: know

[3:15:12] Voice 6: what it is in gabriola

[3:15:13] Trustee Rogers: uh but

[3:15:14] Trustee Colbourne: um i don't know um well it's an overhead cable it's not it's not

[3:15:18] Trustee Colbourne: a buried cable, it's not a fiber

[3:15:20] Trustee Colbourne: optic barrier.

[3:15:21] Voice 6: Yeah that's what we thought, okay, okay.

[3:15:24] Voice 6: So yeah, and that's it, you described it exactly, it's, well there's some pictures for you. So it's

[3:15:32] Voice 6: a surface-laid cable and in the near shore area, in the intertidal area, we have a process for

[3:15:40] Voice 6: excavating and burying the cable so, and when we excavate it's done in lifts and layers to maintain

[3:15:47] Voice 6: pain ideally stratigraphy of the beach as we approach and then as you exit from low tide it's

[3:15:53] Voice 6: in this split pipe and it is unburied it's on the surface so there's actually other than that

[3:16:00] Voice 6: intertidal zone and any upland work there's no physical excavation required and so it's a small

[3:16:08] Voice 6: cable it's 13 millimeters by six millimeters and the split piping you know is about the knots are

[3:16:14] Voice 6: are about a size of a fist yeah

[3:16:16] Trustee Colbourne: um in terms of timelines like obviously this is in our agenda

[3:16:19] Trustee Colbourne: package but we haven't had a real chance for for community consultation or discussion so

[3:16:23] Trustee Colbourne: you're looking

[3:16:24] Trustee Colbourne: for an endorsement or some sort of letter is there a timeline is this something we

[3:16:27] Trustee Colbourne: could do at a june meeting or

[3:16:28] Voice 6: just

[3:16:29] Trustee Colbourne: have more time to go to the community yep

[3:16:31] Voice 6: so we have just got

[3:16:33] Voice 6: our packages um we're just going through the acceptance process with the province with regards

[3:16:38] Voice 6: regards to 10 years. Installation wise, we are targeting late August. So it's a very tight

[3:16:45] Voice 6: timeline. And we do have a slightly bigger window just due to we're sheltered here on this part

[3:16:53] Voice 6: of the coast. So we're a little bit fortunate that way. Our main connections that we're looking

[3:16:59] Voice 6: at getting in this this year, late summer, early fall are from Campbell River to Vancouver.

[3:17:03] Voice 6: Hoover and also we're focusing up north because that's got a very risky weather window but

[3:17:10] Voice 6: if we're into May right now we'd be I think what's important is that yeah we have that

[3:17:19] Voice 6: community consultation the ability to say we'd like to bring this cable to shore

[3:17:24] Voice 6: so probably that June would be good and we've got the provincial process to go through we've

[3:17:30] Voice 6: We've got Transport Canada to deal with, as well as the port and the consultation.

[3:17:34] Voice 6: So I think that timing probably lines up.

[3:17:38] Voice 6: I don't need anything from you tomorrow.

[3:17:40] Voice 6: It's just really nice that I'm able to be here and you can put a face to the project

[3:17:45] Voice 6: and I'm available to answer questions at any time.

[3:17:52] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, and I'm sure you know this, but I'll just say it out loud, is that given that it's

[3:17:59] Trustee Rogers: it's a near-shore, foreshore issue,

[3:18:02] Trustee Rogers: the sign-on from the local First Nations

[3:18:07] Trustee Rogers: would be incredibly important,

[3:18:09] Trustee Rogers: given the

[3:18:10] Trustee Rogers: interest they have on the foreshore.

[3:18:14] Voice 6: Agreed.

[3:18:15] Trustee Rogers: So, trustees, I'm not sure what you imagined

[3:18:20] Trustee Rogers: by way of community consultation,

[3:18:22] Trustee Rogers: but maybe you want to talk about that for a minute?

[3:18:27] Trustee Colbourne: I'm not sure.

[3:18:28] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah.

[3:18:29] Trustee Colbourne: Formal processes.

[3:18:30] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah.

[3:18:31] Trustee Colbourne: yeah

[3:18:31] Voice 14: we don't have a i don't think we have the capacity to do something really officially

[3:18:35] Voice 14: through the you know through planners but uh maybe we can just start a posting spreading the word as

[3:18:43] Voice 14: much as possible and try and garner feedback that we can individually you know from community

[3:18:48] Voice 14: members in the interim yeah

[3:18:51] Trustee Colbourne: i would recommend to the proponent like some sort of either um messaging

[3:18:55] Trustee Colbourne: or um reach out to the community newspaper the gabriel sounder to kind of get it out there and

[3:19:00] Trustee Colbourne: and make people aware that it's publicly available in the agenda package,

[3:19:03] Trustee Colbourne: wherever you want to present it. And, and it is in the agenda package here,

[3:19:07] Trustee Colbourne: and it'll be, you know,

[3:19:08] Trustee Colbourne: we can add it to the agenda for the next meeting to have a more robust

[3:19:11] Trustee Colbourne: discussion about how and when I agree completely that Sineamuk is a central

[3:19:16] Trustee Colbourne: piece of this. And I think we'd almost need, you know,

[3:19:19] Trustee Colbourne: some concurrence from them before advancing any sort of endorsement.

[3:19:23] Trustee Colbourne: All right. Okay.

[3:19:26] Trustee Rogers: So shall we just defer this matter and ask if you put it on the June agenda?

[3:19:30] Trustee Rogers: yeah yeah i don't think we need a motion for that uh you could just ask this matter be placed on the

[3:19:37] Trustee Rogers: june agenda again and uh the trustees can do their reach out in their community and and uh let people

[3:19:44] Trustee Rogers: know that the information is here and the website is um contains it all i am always sort of it always

[3:19:53] Trustee Rogers: sort of makes me think that that strathcona district has sort of took this up and and made

[3:19:58] Trustee Rogers: it happen which is amazing actually that our regional district did this um and so we found

[3:20:05] Trustee Rogers: a partner of city west which is up in prince rupert i believe that's correct that's a it's

[3:20:11] Trustee Rogers: an interesting collaboration that they made that um they made that happen and found a large amount

[3:20:18] Trustee Rogers: of federal money to make it all happen that's

[3:20:21] Voice 6: correct yeah anyway

[3:20:22] Trustee Rogers: so thank you very much i

[3:20:24] Trustee Rogers: don't think there's anything

[3:20:24] Trustee Rogers: else but we'll put it on our june agenda you would be welcome to come

[3:20:27] Trustee Rogers: back and visit us

[3:20:28] Trustee Rogers: it's june the uh 17th okay

[3:20:33] Voice 6: i will be there where

[3:20:36] Trustee Rogers: are you i'm

[3:20:38] Voice 6: actually in north

[3:20:39] Voice 6: coquitlam okay and um our team bay link is in poco so they're not far from me either oh really

[3:20:46] Trustee Rogers: yeah

[3:20:46] Voice 6: yeah well

[3:20:49] Trustee Rogers: i may ask you why you aren't coming to keats island the next time so which is my

[3:20:53] Trustee Rogers: which is the island i'm from we're

[3:20:55] Voice 6: getting a lot of these questions these days

[3:20:57] Trustee Rogers: what

[3:20:59] Voice 6: about our island

[3:20:59] Voice 6: what about this island and yeah it keeps us on our toes and we're constantly talking to the federal

[3:21:04] Voice 6: government about um the decisions that were made and and how the scope was set up

[3:21:10] Voice 14: yeah well thank

[3:21:11] Voice 6: you very

[3:21:12] Voice 14: much i appreciate it i've got one question for you actually what's the life

[3:21:16] Voice 14: life lifespan of the cables the

[3:21:18] Voice 6: cables are actually remarkably resilient uh 25 years 25 plus

[3:21:23] Voice 6: and most fiber optics can actually be maintained with equipment upgrades on the end that's why

[3:21:29] Voice 6: fiber can be incredibly resilient and long life because you can change the equipment

[3:21:34] Voice 6: but the the wavelengths still travel the same way yeah

[3:21:38] Voice 14: and the casing has the same lifespan

[3:21:41] Voice 14: or longer, I presume.

[3:21:42] Voice 6: Correct, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[3:21:45] Trustee Rogers: Anything

[3:21:46] Trustee Colbourne: else, trustees, on this matter?

[3:21:50] Trustee Colbourne: Mudge and DeCoursey and then Keats, just so we're clear.

[3:21:53] Trustee Rogers: No, no, I wasn't putting a plug in for Keats.

[3:21:57] Trustee Rogers: Mudge and DeCoursey definitely come first

[3:21:58] Trustee Rogers: in terms of this trustee.

[3:22:02] Voice 6: All right,

[3:22:03] Trustee Rogers: well, thank you, everybody,

[3:22:03] Voice 6: and I'll meet you all again in June.

[3:22:06] Trustee Rogers: Thanks a lot.

[3:22:07] Trustee Rogers: Thank

[3:22:07] Voice 6: you, bye-bye.

[3:22:08] Voice 6: Bye.

[3:22:08] Trustee Rogers: 11.4 is you this is your development and application bylaw this is you

[3:22:15] Voice 19: your request

[3:22:16] Voice 19: trustee Lunder you need you're muted yeah

[3:22:23] Voice 14: I unmuted myself yeah when working on the regional

[3:22:27] Voice 14: planning committee we were doing the draft model development approval information bylaw

[3:22:32] Voice 14: and it got me looking at bylaws and I looked at our own bylaw number 150 and it covers

[3:22:40] Voice 14: the development permit areas,

[3:22:43] Voice 14: except for three and possibly four.

[3:22:48] Voice 14: There's no requirements around the development permit area

[3:22:52] Voice 14: seven, the village center, none for eight,

[3:22:56] Voice 14: which is the multifamily affordable housing,

[3:22:58] Voice 14: none for nine, which is light industry

[3:23:01] Voice 14: and the potential and new development permit area 11,

[3:23:05] Voice 14: which is in a bylaw.

[3:23:07] Voice 14: So I think what we need to do is we need to update our development approval information bylaw to reflect that.

[3:23:15] Voice 14: Because when I read the bylaw, it is very specific to development permit areas.

[3:23:21] Voice 14: It's not a generic one, and it lists each development permit area that we currently have,

[3:23:27] Voice 14: but missing the three existing ones and then potentially the fourth one.

[3:23:37] Trustee Rogers: So, is that a, is that something you would, I assume there's a proposal coming from or a draft coming from the RPC or what's the

[3:23:47] Trustee Rogers: Well,

[3:23:48] Voice 14: the RPC one is a model one so it won't list the specific development permit areas, and it's was going to be coming forward but there's some issues with it so now it's going to be.

[3:24:00] Voice 14: i'm not sure when maybe september maybe uh later i don't know hopefully september but

[3:24:06] Voice 14: um it's it's restructuring it somewhat but in fact i well i don't know what changes are

[3:24:14] Voice 14: happening but i i suspect it's going to closely reflect what our bylaw is like that's my guess

[3:24:21] Voice 14: but uh anyway but it's it's just a matter that we need to we do need to act upon it at some point

[3:24:29] Voice 14: because we're we don't have any uh criteria for uh three and possibly four development permit areas

[3:24:36] Voice 14: at this point in time so if something comes forward we don't we're not able to address

[3:24:42] Voice 14: it through the development approval information bylaw rpm

[3:24:47] Trustee Rogers: coward nice you wanted to address the

[3:24:51] Trustee Rogers: comments from trustee yeah

[3:24:53] Voice 7: in terms of project management um you know um it was it was my

[3:25:00] Voice 7: intention that when the RPC, or when the model bylaw was finished, when that project was finished

[3:25:08] Voice 7: at the RPC level or trust council level, that we would sort of, we would take that model bylaw to

[3:25:16] Voice 7: all the LTCs in the North at once and say, what do you want to do with this? And we would likely

[3:25:25] Voice 7: take that, for those that wanted to do it, we would likely just take that on as a project.

[3:25:29] Voice 7: So we had intended to raise the question when that happens.

[3:25:37] Voice 7: Just wanted to let you know kind of what we were thinking around that.

[3:25:42] Trustee Rogers: So what happens, to Trustee Langeris' point, what happens when there is a development permit application and there is no bylaw applicability to it?

[3:25:53] Trustee Rogers: How does it get processed?

[3:25:55] Trustee Rogers: well

[3:25:56] Voice 7: it's really it's really about the kinds of studies and reports that we can request of the

[3:26:02] Voice 7: applicant and so without a without a dai bylaw or the applicability of that to a certain development

[3:26:10] Voice 7: permit area we're limited in the types of studies and reports that we can ask for related to any

[3:26:16] Voice 7: sort of application the dai bylaw gives us the ability to you know request water reports and

[3:26:25] Voice 7: other kinds of things geotechnical reports that sort of thing okay

[3:26:28] Trustee Rogers: because i i must admit of all

[3:26:32] Trustee Rogers: the things that i've seen about planning over the last six and a half years the whole concept of a

[3:26:40] Trustee Rogers: dai bylaw has sort of escaped me i i but i but i but i get your point is it sets up the parameters

[3:26:46] Trustee Rogers: exactly what you can ask for

[3:26:48] Voice 4: yeah yeah

[3:26:50] Trustee Rogers: and there is one on gabriel but i guess trustee longer is

[3:26:53] Trustee Rogers: is saying there's some gaps in it

[3:26:57] Trustee Rogers: and it doesn't address some of the development permit areas.

[3:26:59] Trustee Rogers: So when we impose a development permit area

[3:27:02] Trustee Rogers: like we did on the new affordable housing,

[3:27:09] Trustee Rogers: the Paisley Place,

[3:27:12] Trustee Rogers: and there's nothing in that.

[3:27:13] Trustee Rogers: We didn't amend the DII as part of that

[3:27:16] Trustee Rogers: to set up the standards.

[3:27:19] Trustee Rogers: So when the development permit application comes in,

[3:27:22] Trustee Rogers: then how do we go about,

[3:27:23] Trustee Rogers: you just use the standard set out in the OCP?

[3:27:27] Voice 7: Yes, it's whatever, I think you're saying

[3:27:33] Voice 7: we haven't applied this DAI area to the new DPA.

[3:27:39] Voice 7: And I can't remember if that's where that's at,

[3:27:43] Voice 7: but assuming it doesn't apply,

[3:27:45] Voice 7: that means that we're just limited

[3:27:47] Voice 7: to whatever the development permit guidelines are.

[3:27:50] Voice 7: And if we have any question

[3:27:52] Voice 7: about their water provision, for instance,

[3:27:55] Voice 7: we don't have a mechanism to require them to provide a report around that.

[3:28:00] Voice 7: I see. Okay. Yeah.

[3:28:02] Trustee Rogers: So trustee Langer, the answer is the answer from the RPM is this is their

[3:28:07] Trustee Rogers: vision that when the model bylaws come out,

[3:28:10] Trustee Rogers: like the model antenna strategy or other model bylaws,

[3:28:13] Trustee Rogers: they'll then be rolled out to the LTC to make a decision.

[3:28:16] Trustee Rogers: Are you prepared? Is that okay with you?

[3:28:19] Voice 14: Well, if there's no application coming forward, yes.

[3:28:22] Voice 14: Yes. I mean, the light industry is sat there for probably missing for many years because no applications come forward.

[3:28:28] Voice 14: But if an application comes forward, what's the timeline for development approval information bylaw process?

[3:28:38] Voice 7: Well, it's however long it takes to get through. If we're waiting for the RPC and the TC, it's however long that takes.

[3:28:45] Voice 7: And then whatever ways we wanted to amend your bylaws to reflect that, it would take the usual bylaw amendment process time.

[3:28:54] Voice 7: So six to 18 months or however long that takes.

[3:28:59] Voice 14: So there's a moratorium on changing development approval information bylaws due to capacity?

[3:29:08] Voice 14: No,

[3:29:08] Voice 7: there's not a moratorium necessarily.

[3:29:10] Voice 7: necessarily, but it's, it's, yeah, it's, I mean, you, you could theoretically add that to your

[3:29:15] Voice 7: project list right now. Today, if you wanted to do that, you don't have to wait for the,

[3:29:20] Voice 7: for the model to come about. But then it'll just be our regular conversation about what our capacity

[3:29:26] Voice 7: is.

[3:29:27] Trustee Rogers: Right. And we have 18 things on our project list. Right. And actually, we just

[3:29:34] Trustee Rogers: put another

[3:29:35] Trustee Rogers: another one on so um so could

[3:29:39] Trustee Colbourne: this be captured in a comprehensive review of the ocp like if you if

[3:29:48] Trustee Colbourne: you did a full review would this be one of the elements that could be updated within that

[3:29:52] Trustee Colbourne: that

[3:29:53] Voice 14: would be years down the road i

[3:29:57] Trustee Colbourne: talked about putting forward in june when you were

[3:30:00] Trustee Colbourne: used so just to bring you up to date yes

[3:30:04] Voice 7: the d the the applicability of the da bylaw would be

[3:30:08] Voice 7: addressed in a comprehensive review of uscd so

[3:30:19] Voice 14: the real question for me is any applications that

[3:30:22] Voice 14: come in the interim and if somebody applies then we're basically facing the rules that we have we

[3:30:33] Voice 14: can't change it interim yeah

[3:30:36] Trustee Rogers: that that'd be the reality yeah you're you're left with whatever

[3:30:40] Trustee Rogers: the guidelines are in the ocp yeah um

[3:30:43] Trustee Rogers: interestingly you go to some islands are finding this out and

[3:30:47] Trustee Rogers: they don't even have guidelines in their ocp related to uh dpa development permit applications

[3:30:53] Trustee Rogers: and they sort of make them up as they as an application comes in and there's

[3:30:59] Voice 14: no issue around

[3:30:59] Voice 14: that legally i don't

[3:31:03] Voice 14: know i take

[3:31:03] Trustee Rogers: advice i take advice from the planners and they go when there

[3:31:07] Trustee Rogers: there was a development permit application.

[3:31:08] Trustee Rogers: They sort of set out criteria and they used the criteria from a neighboring

[3:31:12] Trustee Rogers: island. So I don't know. Nobody,

[3:31:17] Trustee Rogers: nobody said you can't do that. So that's what we did.

[3:31:21] Trustee Rogers: I won't name the island.

[3:31:24] Voice 14: No, don't do that.

[3:31:25] Voice 14: Because

[3:31:25] Trustee Rogers: I'm the chair of the LTC, but I, it was,

[3:31:29] Trustee Rogers: that's what happened is for whatever reason, there were nothing,

[3:31:32] Trustee Rogers: there weren't even guidelines set out. It was very odd.

[3:31:35] Trustee Rogers: at least from my experience but that's so um and you hear that trustee coldren is quite

[3:31:43] Trustee Rogers: and we'll get to that when we get to the uh work program is uh we have um he's keen to try and get

[3:31:51] Trustee Rogers: an ocp review going as part of this but i don't know how i don't know how you would bump up a

[3:31:59] Trustee Rogers: development approval bylaw above every above a bunch of these applicants of projects but

[3:32:05] Trustee Rogers: that's up to you guys that's really you these are your project yours and trustee culbert

[3:32:10] Trustee Rogers: if you want to put it on the project let's talk

[3:32:15] Trustee Rogers: about it yeah

[3:32:17] Voice 14: i i'd like to put it on the project

[3:32:19] Voice 14: list okay

[3:32:21] Trustee Rogers: we'll let him make that motion yeah

[3:32:22] Voice 14: okay i i moved that the local trust committee

[3:32:26] Voice 14: request staff to prepare

[3:32:29] Voice 14: I think

[3:32:30] Voice 14: an amendment to

[3:32:32] Trustee Rogers: I think all you need to do is

[3:32:35] Trustee Rogers: make a motion that the

[3:32:37] Trustee Rogers: updating of the DAI

[3:32:39] Trustee Rogers: bylaws be put on the project list.

[3:32:42] Trustee Rogers: Isn't that what you're suggesting?

[3:32:44] Voice 14: Yeah, and then it just sits there.

[3:32:46] Voice 14: Yeah.

[3:32:53] Trustee Rogers: But it is, I mean

[3:32:54] Trustee Rogers: correct me if I'm wrong,

[3:32:56] Trustee Rogers: it would be a project for sure.

[3:32:59] Trustee Rogers: Wouldn't it?

[3:33:00] Voice 7: It is, although Sonia just texted me

[3:33:02] Voice 7: me and reminded me that it is an administrative bylaw the dai bylaw itself yeah but but yes if

[3:33:09] Voice 7: we're applying if we're expanding the area that the dai bylaw applies it's an ocp amendment and

[3:33:17] Voice 7: therefore what's it's it's it's a project and it's an amendment bylaw that have to go to the

[3:33:22] Voice 7: ministry because it's part of

[3:33:24] Voice 14: the ocp right yeah the dp 11 is is in the uh right and in the ocp

[3:33:31] Voice 14: amendment i'm

[3:33:36] Voice 7: not sure which one that is you mean the the one that you're working on right now for

[3:33:40] Voice 7: yeah the

[3:33:40] Voice 7: housing society yeah

[3:33:42] Voice 14: yeah yeah that's true and the zone and uh mah should also is also

[3:33:48] Voice 14: there right so it's the ocp doesn't need to be amended i don't think i don't believe it it's

[3:33:54] Voice 14: just the uh development approval information bylaw that i see needing amending oh okay sorry

[3:34:00] Voice 7: i was misunderstanding that um yeah i mean if it's just the the dai bylaw itself it's an

[3:34:05] Voice 7: administrative bylaw it's a relatively quick um amendment yeah

[3:34:11] Voice 14: so i'd like to move that

[3:34:16] Voice 14: staff request staff to prepare an amendment to the development approval information bylaw number 150

[3:34:24] Voice 14: to incorporate the Development Permit Area 8.

[3:34:35] Voice 14: And part of the challenge is Development Permit 11 is coming, right?

[3:34:42] Voice 14: It's not in effect at this point in time.

[3:34:45] Voice 14: But it could be held in advance until such time, the bylaw.

[3:34:53] Voice 7: Well, GPA 11.

[3:35:02] Voice 7: Yeah, I mean once DPA 11 is in effect, it's not in effect until you get the LTC adopts it.

[3:35:13] Voice 14: Yeah, so the DAI bylaw can be amended or have an amendment going through and not given

[3:35:25] Voice 14: and forth reading until such time as the 11 comes into existence or i think

[3:35:34] Voice 7: that's i think that's

[3:35:35] Voice 7: i think that's potentially true however even though this is a relatively quick amendment

[3:35:41] Voice 7: yeah it's

[3:35:42] Voice 7: still a project yeah yeah maybe that's what sony wanted to say yeah so it still does

[3:35:48] Voice 7: need to be added to the project list and we still have to have a conversation about

[3:35:51] Voice 7: about what other projects we're working on

[3:35:54] Voice 7: and how that fits in.

[3:35:58] Trustee Rogers: Okay, Sonya came on, nodded and left.

[3:36:02] Trustee Rogers: Said, you can't just ask us to do that.

[3:36:04] Trustee Rogers: I think what she's saying is you can't just ask us to do it.

[3:36:06] Trustee Rogers: You've got to put it on the project list

[3:36:08] Trustee Rogers: and then put it in your top priorities.

[3:36:10] Voice 14: Yeah, okay.

[3:36:11] Voice 14: I'll move that we add the amendment

[3:36:14] Voice 14: to the development approval information

[3:36:16] Voice 14: by the 150 to the project list.

[3:36:21] Trustee Rogers: Okay, is there a seconder?

[3:36:23] Trustee Rogers: Seconded.

[3:36:23] Trustee Rogers: I think we've talked about it, but we're going to talk about the project list in a moment.

[3:36:28] Trustee Rogers: So I'm just going to, if that's okay, I'll just call the vote.

[3:36:31] Trustee Rogers: I understand.

[3:36:32] Trustee Rogers: We understand your concerns.

[3:36:33] Trustee Rogers: So all in favor.

[3:36:34] Trustee Rogers: So that passes.

[3:36:35] Trustee Rogers: So that's added.

[3:36:38] Trustee Rogers: So thanks.

[3:36:39] Trustee Rogers: Is there anything else on this?

[3:36:40] Trustee Rogers: Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

[3:36:41] Voice 14: No, no.

[3:36:42] Voice 14: Let's go.

[3:36:43] Voice 14: I had one comment is that whenever we're developing a new development permit area, I think there

[3:36:49] Voice 14: there should be a parallel process

[3:36:51] Voice 14: for developing the amendment to the DEI as well.

[3:36:56] Voice 4: That actually makes sense to me.

[3:36:58] Voice 14: Yeah,

[3:36:58] Voice 4: it

[3:36:59] Voice 14: should be part of the project.

[3:37:01] Trustee Rogers: Right, or the application in the case

[3:37:05] Trustee Rogers: of the Paisley Place application.

[3:37:08] Trustee Rogers: Yeah.

[3:37:09] Trustee Rogers: Let's go through the reports.

[3:37:10] Trustee Rogers: So we got, anybody want to add anything further

[3:37:13] Trustee Rogers: related to climate change

[3:37:17] Trustee Rogers: beyond what we've already spoken about?

[3:37:18] Trustee Rogers: out. I'm not seeing anything. We've already had a report. Is there anything further on

[3:37:26] Trustee Rogers: First Nations relationship building? These things sort of sometimes get mixed in with

[3:37:30] Trustee Rogers: First Nations reports. We've had some reports on that. Does anybody have anything further related

[3:37:35] Trustee Rogers: to that? There's no trust conservancy report. We've got the applications report. We talked a

[3:37:44] Trustee Rogers: little bit about the one application. Does anybody have any other questions related to any of the

[3:37:50] Trustee Rogers: the other applications on the application.

[3:37:54] Trustee Rogers: Nothing for you trustee, nothing for you trustee Colburn.

[3:37:57] Trustee Rogers: No.

[3:37:57] Trustee Rogers: The

[3:37:58] Trustee Colbourne: status of whether or not we've heard from BC Ferries

[3:38:03] Trustee Colbourne: or any updates on that.

[3:38:09] Planner Zupanec: No updates for what the local trust committee

[3:38:12] Planner Zupanec: needs to consider, but the applicant is working

[3:38:15] Planner Zupanec: with the required agencies

[3:38:18] Planner Zupanec: to bring back additional information.

[3:38:21] Trustee Rogers: Okay, thank you.

[3:38:21] Trustee Rogers: my understanding is they had they were having a meeting either last week or this week with

[3:38:27] Trustee Rogers: synonymic and

[3:38:28] Voice 19: they have new um advisors so i don't but that's all i know at this stage

[3:38:39] Trustee Rogers: um and i guess at some point we'll get the acorn island matter uh back i i i think it's been a

[3:38:47] Trustee Rogers: related issue that they couldn't get out and do the work that they needed to do so i i always hate

[3:38:54] Trustee Rogers: to see things linger on our but there's been there's extraneous circumstances obviously

[3:38:59] Trustee Rogers: extenuating circumstances in this case uh there's nothing else um i'm not sure why we don't have a

[3:39:08] Trustee Rogers: local expense report probably because we're between we we have there hasn't been a new one

[3:39:13] Trustee Rogers: since the last meeting we have the standing resolution anything about that that either

[3:39:17] Trustee Rogers: trustee wishes to raise they're not seeing anything i'm just going to keep moving nothing

[3:39:22] Trustee Rogers: thing about the web page we oh i should we should have announced i'm sorry i should have said this

[3:39:26] Trustee Rogers: in my my there is a brand new website uh for the uh for the trust if you haven't seen it um

[3:39:36] Trustee Rogers: i'm not sure if anybody else is like me it takes me a while to get used to the functionality of

[3:39:41] Trustee Rogers: anything new um so i've been struggling with a bit but it's it's um uh it's it looks great

[3:39:48] Trustee Rogers: and seems to have everything there.

[3:39:50] Trustee Rogers: If you haven't gone to see it, it's the same website,

[3:39:53] Trustee Rogers: but it's a completely revamped web, same web address,

[3:39:57] Trustee Rogers: but it's completely a revamped website.

[3:40:01] Trustee Rogers: So that's been a long project with the trust.

[3:40:05] Trustee Rogers: There's lots and lots of staff resources.

[3:40:07] Trustee Rogers: So there's lots of,

[3:40:08] Trustee Rogers: and there's different functionality attached to it.

[3:40:11] Trustee Rogers: So that's great to see that project come to fruition.

[3:40:16] Trustee Rogers: so it

[3:40:17] Voice 14: is a very steep learning curve i'm finding that yeah

[3:40:21] Trustee Rogers: and it may just be a case because

[3:40:23] Trustee Rogers: of our age but uh i'm i i i always remind myself every time i i haven't had a new phone for a long

[3:40:30] Trustee Rogers: time but every time i get a new phone it takes me about a month to get used to the way it functions

[3:40:35] Trustee Rogers: differently that's just my my space of learning and so i'm giving myself that period with the

[3:40:40] Trustee Rogers: website also

[3:40:41] Voice 14: the speed of change and when

[3:40:46] Voice 14: you're moving through screens it's uh i'm used to much

[3:40:50] Voice 14: more of a static yeah

[3:40:52] Trustee Rogers: yeah okay uh thanks i went with a top priorities report so uh here we are

[3:40:59] Trustee Rogers: uh we have the projects and the top priorities report uh we have added two projects today and

[3:41:08] Trustee Rogers: And the question becomes, and planners, Sonia told us that she sort of, it's not gone, but she sort of finished the bulk of her work related to the transportation grant application.

[3:41:28] Trustee Rogers: It's more monitoring from here on in, but there was a lot of discussion of trying to

[3:41:35] Trustee Rogers: get the institutional zoning updating done as expeditiously as possible.

[3:41:43] Trustee Rogers: But as I always said, the projects are really the local trustees' priorities.

[3:41:50] Trustee Rogers: So, how do we do all of that without having five top priorities?

[3:41:59] Trustee Colbourne: We do a conference review of the OCP.

[3:42:02] Trustee Rogers: Oh, right. And the OCP review.

[3:42:05] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, but I'll deal with that. I'm going to speak about rationalizations for that later.

[3:42:10] Trustee Colbourne: But certainly this piecemeal approach is proving problematic.

[3:42:14] Trustee Colbourne: I just want to point out that I've gone through the existing projects and under number 11 right now in terms of land use bylaw amendments,

[3:42:20] Trustee Colbourne: there's institution one zoning to ensure consistent with existing arts council use

[3:42:25] Trustee Colbourne: and definition and regulations for public market and institution one zone use pertaining to market

[3:42:30] Trustee Colbourne: sales which we've sort of held in abeyance with a standing resolution around bylaw compliance and

[3:42:37] Trustee Colbourne: enforcement but still haven't really resolved that issue there so there's kind of a grouping of

[3:42:41] Trustee Colbourne: things the issue is that we've got community organizations with community benefit who have

[3:42:47] Trustee Colbourne: have timelines attached to getting some of these changes made to enable them to offer projects so

[3:42:52] Trustee Colbourne: um i if the transportation it can now kind of stand on its own for a few months and we can

[3:42:59] Trustee Colbourne: turn around some of these things and get some of the lower hanging fruit done that would be my

[3:43:03] Trustee Colbourne: preference um

[3:43:05] Voice 14: somebody's low-hanging fruit though from the sounds of it is going to take 18 months

[3:43:12] Voice 14: potentially i don't i

[3:43:13] Trustee Colbourne: don't think that at

[3:43:14] Voice 14: least in terms of institution

[3:43:15] Trustee Colbourne: one i don't think that

[3:43:18] Trustee Colbourne: was what was talked about so maybe we can get some insight from staff in terms of like what

[3:43:22] Trustee Colbourne: the time frame could be in in looking at institution one whether or not that's something

[3:43:28] Trustee Colbourne: that could be you know done much in some of the same manner we've done with pages where you're

[3:43:33] Trustee Colbourne: kind of updating um some map elements and other definitions a

[3:43:42] Voice 7: question to me about timing yeah

[3:43:45] Voice 7: Yeah, the Pages Resort is a model that could be used to do something like this, based on what I've heard you say you want to do so far.

[3:43:54] Voice 7: If it's a matter of changing a definition or adding some uses to the zone, amending the map, if there's a few small changes that need to happen to the land use bylaw and they're consistent with the OCP,

[3:44:15] Voice 7: that can be that can go as quickly as the pages resort has gone um uh given that you're if you're

[3:44:24] Voice 7: not going to refer out i mean part of the reason pages resort is going quickly is because we're

[3:44:27] Voice 7: not referring it um so there's that part of it too but yeah yeah it could go along a similar vein

[3:44:35] Voice 14: i recall that uh previously when i was talking about the uh the public market it was said it

[3:44:42] Voice 14: It would take some time because there was issues to resolve around moving, allowing it to be indoors as opposed to outdoors because of potentially business interests in our expanding this when there's regular businesses on the store.

[3:44:58] Voice 14: So sometimes the minor change may not be as minor as it appears because of hidden policies that arise.

[3:45:03] Voice 14: eyes whereas i think that with pages it's fairly it's a fairly very narrow uh change you know like

[3:45:12] Voice 14: it doesn't really i i can't think of too many hidden implications but some of the other because

[3:45:17] Voice 14: i remember that about the uh the public market it was said that would take some time to research

[3:45:26] Voice 7: sonja earlier is that you know you're you're expanding the use of these of these specific

[3:45:32] Voice 7: areas to light industrial use and you'd likely want to have more public input on that particular

[3:45:39] Voice 7: you know that aspect of things um than you might with the pages resort we're just changing

[3:45:46] Trustee Colbourne: small use yeah but also we have to be responsive to these community organizations and their present

[3:45:52] Trustee Colbourne: use and their in their planning i mean we can't hold everything it's to what was there in 1974

[3:45:58] Trustee Colbourne: 1974, 1997, and 1999. And so that's, um, we, we can't, I I'm, I'm conscious of the fact that

[3:46:04] Trustee Colbourne: we're holding up processes for, you know, where we're sort of stuck in, in areas. Um, uh, to me,

[3:46:11] Trustee Colbourne: this, this, we can still do a good job on it and, and turn it around, um, without it being an 18

[3:46:19] Trustee Colbourne: month process. I think we have to be able to do that. Um, so yeah, I would, I, I kind of,

[3:46:27] Trustee Colbourne: I would put forward that institution one review and update as a,

[3:46:31] Trustee Colbourne: as a priority project. And that's,

[3:46:33] Trustee Colbourne: that's the motion that I would move at this time. And again,

[3:46:37] Trustee Colbourne: I've sort of voiced some opposition to the, to the cannabis project,

[3:46:40] Trustee Colbourne: but it sounds like if we could move that transportation project off the

[3:46:45] Trustee Colbourne: priority list and replace it with an institution one zoning review and

[3:46:48] Trustee Colbourne: update, that would be my preference.

[3:46:51] Voice 7: And my, if I can just speak freely chair,

[3:46:54] Voice 7: I'm supposed to speak through you. Okay.

[3:46:56] Voice 7: Okay. You know, my thought about the transportation project is it's not done, right? You're going to be, Sonia has done a bulk of the work, but it is an ongoing project until you have a product that will be presented to you.

[3:47:14] Voice 7: um so in my mind it it's it stays on the list until you have a product that um that completes

[3:47:21] Voice 7: the project um because it's not done until you get that that the cannabis project and i'll just

[3:47:29] Voice 7: kind of say this about cannabis is that um you know you have a resolution already that we're

[3:47:34] Voice 7: going to have a public hearing in june and theoretically you could have your public hearing

[3:47:41] Voice 7: and do third reading at the June meeting in which case that those bylaws would go off to EC

[3:47:47] Voice 7: or that bylaw would go off to EC and that project would be substantially done if that were the case

[3:47:57] Voice 7: so that might be a better candidate there is and I and I hesitate to say this but there's

[3:48:04] Voice 7: theoretically nothing saying that you can't have more than three projects on your top priorities

[3:48:08] Voice 7: list um it's it's more about you know what is our capacity to manage all of those

[3:48:14] Voice 3: and

[3:48:15] Voice 7: um and

[3:48:16] Voice 7: we will have capacity once the cannabis project is substantially um moved forward but you know

[3:48:23] Voice 7: the housing project was set aside while Sonia was was working on the transportation project

[3:48:32] Voice 7: and now that she's done the bulk of that she's going back to the housing project

[3:48:35] Voice 7: and and she is at full capacity with that she doesn't have any more capacity after

[3:48:41] Voice 7: given all the projects that she's working on in her other ltcs as well so

[3:48:47] Voice 14: there's and the capacity

[3:48:49] Voice 14: for uh what uh scott's uh putting forward the capacity yeah yeah no

[3:48:57] Voice 7: not in the northern office

[3:48:59] Voice 7: for sure i mean a comprehensive a comprehensive ocp amendment would be something that would have

[3:49:04] Voice 7: have to be posed

[3:49:04] Voice 14: so sorry i meant the oh

[3:49:07] Voice 7: sorry we'll go that's a separate topic um that's that's

[3:49:11] Trustee Colbourne: a whole separate thing yeah

[3:49:12] Voice 7: no um i i think i think once we have cannabis mostly wrapped up

[3:49:18] Voice 7: we'll have capacity for for that we would have capacity for that so

[3:49:22] Trustee Rogers: let me ask you this question

[3:49:23] Trustee Rogers: um it's a project nothing happens in our organization without a project charter right

[3:49:33] Trustee Rogers: and so my question would be let's assume that your optimistic view about the public hearing

[3:49:41] Trustee Rogers: around cannabis is correct and we we get through and we've been around it a number of times so

[3:49:50] Trustee Rogers: So it's not new to us.

[3:49:53] Trustee Rogers: Is there capacity to produce a expedited project charter for us to consider in June?

[3:50:05] Voice 7: Yes, I think we could do that.

[3:50:07] Trustee Rogers: So my thinking is we ask you to produce a project charter on this without asking you to do anything more than that between now and June.

[3:50:15] Trustee Rogers: And then we can approve the project charter in June.

[3:50:20] Trustee Rogers: and and then if it looks like it could be a relatively short process i mean my consideration

[3:50:25] Trustee Rogers: is going to be the where i see this is going to where i could see a block a block or an extension

[3:50:33] Trustee Rogers: is we all of a sudden go you know what this is a land use issue there's no way we can't not refer

[3:50:40] Trustee Rogers: to the to the first nations um and i don't know that that's what's going to happen but i could

[3:50:47] Trustee Rogers: could see that this that's going to be an important because that's what we did with you know pages of

[3:50:52] Trustee Rogers: marina is we said we don't need to refer this out um because of the nature of it but this is a is a

[3:50:58] Trustee Rogers: so but if we could ask you to get a project charter that looks at an expedited timeline

[3:51:05] Trustee Rogers: to do this project you could at least get us a project charter by june i

[3:51:11] Voice 7: could um i would also

[3:51:13] Voice 7: also add this though too just to consider is that we're we're kind of looking down the end of the

[3:51:22] Voice 7: term in terms of projects and i

[3:51:24] Voice 7: know that there have been other topics that have been discussed

[3:51:27] Voice 7: that have been priorities so coastal douglas fir your antenna protocols um so our capacity to

[3:51:37] Voice 7: address those other things would be limited by this too right this would this would take precedent

[3:51:43] Voice 7: over that if that's the way you wanted to do it but i'm just kind of throwing that out there too

[3:51:47] Voice 7: yeah

[3:51:47] Trustee Rogers: no i mean i know every time we assign you this project over here it takes away from this

[3:51:53] Trustee Rogers: project that's right we don't have it's not like we can just go and hire three more miners to do

[3:52:01] Trustee Rogers: yeah yeah

[3:52:02] Voice 7: the capacity is there to do a project charter for this if that's what you decide to do

[3:52:06] Voice 7: well

[3:52:07] Trustee Rogers: what do you think trustee colbert that was sort of your suggestion yeah

[3:52:10] Trustee Colbourne: i'll move that um

[3:52:12] Trustee Colbourne: Um, um, LTC direct staff to prepare a project charter for the, um, institution one review

[3:52:19] Trustee Colbourne: and update project, um, for review at the next, I guess.

[3:52:24] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah, I guess that's it.

[3:52:28] Trustee Colbourne: Okay.

[3:52:29] Trustee Colbourne: Well,

[3:52:29] Trustee Rogers: that's been moved and seconded.

[3:52:32] Trustee Rogers: And, uh, Nadine, did you get that?

[3:52:34] Trustee Rogers: I

[3:52:35] Voice 15: got the first part LTC direct staff to prepare project charter for institution one, uh, review

[3:52:42] Trustee Colbourne: and update project.

[3:52:43] Trustee Colbourne: Jeff.

[3:52:45] Voice 14: Thank you.

[3:52:47] Trustee Colbourne: Okay, that's been moving. I

[3:52:49] Voice 14: have a question. Sure. What is there a time

[3:52:53] Voice 14: sensitivity to this? Yeah, there is.

[3:52:57] Trustee Colbourne: That came out of the there's a building permit related to the

[3:53:01] Trustee Colbourne: recycling outlet. And so there's a

[3:53:04] Voice 14: time okay, so I buy time sensitivity as a factor for this.

[3:53:09] Voice 14: But that also then for myself, for me, raises the concern about the Development Approval

[3:53:17] Voice 14: Information By-law.

[3:53:18] Voice 14: There is a time sensitivity potentially there, maybe not, but there may well be.

[3:53:23] Voice 14: So I'm willing to support this, but just to let you know down the road, I really do want

[3:53:33] Voice 14: to see the DAI done.

[3:53:35] Voice 14: and it's not that long a process.

[3:53:37] Voice 14: I think it can be done.

[3:53:39] Voice 14: I mean, it's going to preempt the eventual DAI model

[3:53:45] Voice 14: that comes out, but that's going to be a whole

[3:53:48] Voice 14: as full as a replacement anyway.

[3:53:51] Voice 14: So do we just not do anything in the interim?

[3:53:54] Voice 14: That's my concern.

[3:53:55] Voice 14: Well,

[3:53:55] Trustee Rogers: it's now a project list

[3:53:57] Trustee Rogers: and I think that's a fair comment.

[3:53:58] Trustee Rogers: And I think RPM Cowher said is also a fair comment.

[3:54:01] Trustee Rogers: We have one very large project that's going to continue

[3:54:04] Trustee Rogers: you through the end of the term uh we're we've got one that may get finished in june um or at

[3:54:11] Trustee Rogers: least third reading in june um maybe and uh and then uh you know we if we have a couple of small

[3:54:20] Trustee Rogers: ones we can then have a discussion about if there's another important one that we sometime

[3:54:27] Trustee Rogers: in the next six months that we want to start and say let's get a start on something and leave it

[3:54:33] Trustee Rogers: for the whatever the next lcc looks like yeah

[3:54:36] Trustee Colbourne: and the coastal

[3:54:38] Trustee Colbourne: douglas for the closest douglas for

[3:54:40] Trustee Colbourne: toolkit has been applied to the housing and impacts project and it's also being done in a

[3:54:45] Trustee Colbourne: model way both in the higher up booth in the trust and in salt spring so there's elements of this

[3:54:50] Trustee Colbourne: could you know obviously and i i do hear you trust you on guys on on doing that sort of

[3:54:56] Trustee Colbourne: administrative update in a more cohesive fashion i i the whole reason we kind of put forward the

[3:55:02] Trustee Colbourne: transportation project and the way we did was to have it done by an external consultant and so

[3:55:06] Trustee Colbourne: you know i'm i'm cognizant of the fact that it's tough to get um work sort of off the table and on

[3:55:11] Trustee Colbourne: the table at the same time we're talking about actual planner hours so yeah

[3:55:15] Voice 14: it's also the

[3:55:16] Voice 14: unexpected because we had uh given it until may right we we pulled something off till may and

[3:55:23] Voice 14: there were uh i think it was the cannabis at the time thinking that was the end it would be over

[3:55:27] Voice 14: and now it's going to the end of the year oh yeah yeah okay

[3:55:32] Voice 14: anyway let me call i wouldn't

[3:55:34] Trustee Colbourne: keep it on

[3:55:34] Trustee Colbourne: the priorities list i personally and that's you know that's kind of where we differ and or maybe

[3:55:38] Trustee Colbourne: add four priority projects that can happen concurrently especially as there's a time

[3:55:42] Trustee Colbourne: element so yeah

[3:55:43] Trustee Rogers: okay so we have a motion uh it's been seconded is there any further discussion

[3:55:50] Trustee Rogers: related to this and i'll call the vote all in favor uh now rpm cower i hate to raise this do

[3:55:58] Trustee Rogers: Do we need to move it onto the top priority list then?

[3:56:02] Voice 7: You can do that now, or you can wait until next meeting

[3:56:07] Voice 7: if you want to do that.

[3:56:08] Trustee Rogers: Thanks, if you're comfortable with that,

[3:56:09] Trustee Rogers: I just assume not have that discussion.

[3:56:11] Trustee Rogers: Thanks.

[3:56:16] Trustee Colbourne: Comprehensive OCP review motion right now,

[3:56:18] Trustee Colbourne: or should I wait until next month?

[3:56:20] Trustee Rogers: I think you're going to make it next week.

[3:56:24] Trustee Rogers: Okay, our timing is looking,

[3:56:27] Trustee Rogers: Is there anything else regarding the top priorities or the projects report?

[3:56:31] Trustee Rogers: Sure.

[3:56:33] Voice 7: Sorry. I do want to just speak to the comp plan thing a little bit because there's

[3:56:39] Voice 7: some timing issues related to that. There are other LTCs. If you don't mind, Sheriff, I can just-

[3:56:45] Trustee Rogers: I'm sorry. I didn't hear what you said. You want to speak to which?

[3:56:47] Voice 7: The comprehensive plan idea, the comprehensive OCP plan idea. Can I just make a comment?

[3:56:55] Voice 7: Okay. So there are other LTCs considering large projects like that. The Gambier OCP

[3:57:04] Voice 7: is moving forward and the Denman LTC is contemplating a large scale project related

[3:57:11] Voice 7: housing that they're aware the Northern office can't accommodate. But we haven't really decided

[3:57:19] Voice 7: on a process for the regional planning team and how we prioritize their projects.

[3:57:25] Voice 7: However, we have identified that if you think that a project is going to have a dollar figure that is over $5,000 or over $10,000, that you should likely make a business case to go into next year's budget.

[3:57:43] Voice 7: And the business cases for next year's budget will be considered by the Financial Planning Committee in September or October of this year.

[3:57:51] Voice 7: And so the Dunman LTC has already asked staff to develop a business case for their housing project to have on their next agenda.

[3:58:03] Voice 7: And so you might contemplate that.

[3:58:07] Voice 7: You know, that might be an idea that you'd want to think about.

[3:58:10] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, we have FPC on October the 20th and November the 10th for some reason.

[3:58:21] Trustee Rogers: but that's because that's where the draft budget is being developed.

[3:58:25] Trustee Rogers: So that's why we have...

[3:58:26] Trustee Rogers: Well, that's a good suggestion that we could put a business case

[3:58:31] Trustee Rogers: that once we do it, so maybe in June,

[3:58:33] Trustee Rogers: we could think about what that might look like to get it funded.

[3:58:37] Trustee Rogers: Because that's a way forward for large projects is to say,

[3:58:42] Trustee Rogers: and I know we've had this discussion on Gambier,

[3:58:45] Voice 1: year

[3:58:45] Trustee Rogers: is that um is that uh you know the standard outside of the trust is uh for ocp reviews they're

[3:58:54] Trustee Rogers: almost always done by or not all i don't want to use the word because but often done by consultants

[3:59:00] Trustee Rogers: and uh because staff is doing the rest of the work and this is considered to be big project

[3:59:09] Trustee Rogers: Now, it's different in the trust when we have 21 different OCPs to try and fund all of that.

[3:59:16] Trustee Rogers: But Trustee Colburn is going to make a very compelling case that this has got to be a priority for the Gabriola because we keep running into problems.

[3:59:29] Trustee Rogers: And I think that's a pretty good sign it's not working.

[3:59:35] Trustee Rogers: So anyway, Trustee Alvarez,

[3:59:37] Trustee Rogers: you wanted to say something.

[3:59:38] Trustee Rogers: well

[3:59:39] Voice 14: i had a thought in mind and i realized that maybe it wasn't i started to realize that i voted

[3:59:45] Voice 14: on a motion uh to for this project which includes i guess gyro we

[3:59:55] Trustee Colbourne: made it quite vague for that very

[3:59:56] Trustee Colbourne: purpose yeah so

[3:59:58] Trustee Colbourne: it's uh it's just a review and update of

[4:00:00] Trustee Colbourne: institution one and all the issues that come with it so i think

[4:00:02] Trustee Rogers: what made me nervous yeah

[4:00:05] Trustee Rogers: i know and

[4:00:06] Trustee Rogers: i think you're okay just with that uh when the project charter comes back you may have to recuse

[4:00:13] Trustee Rogers: yourself on the actual work uh decisions related to the actual uh project but at this stage it's

[4:00:21] Trustee Rogers: just an update of the institutional zones all right i think you're okay yeah

[4:00:27] Trustee Colbourne: and just one last

[4:00:28] Trustee Colbourne: comment on ocp standard practice best practice is to do these reviews and updates on a more regular

[4:00:33] Trustee Colbourne: basis and so you don't have that backlog of of things happening and that's having the policy

[4:00:38] Trustee Colbourne: statement as well that there's 10 15 20 years involved in the process instead of that sort of

[4:00:43] Trustee Colbourne: like well we've got it nailed and now this group is changing what they're doing we're going to

[4:00:46] Trustee Colbourne: update it this is the accumulated baggage so to speak of some of some decisions that have been

[4:00:52] Trustee Colbourne: passed down the line so

[4:00:53] Trustee Rogers: correct and we actually have a trust policy that says they get updated

[4:00:57] Trustee Rogers: dated every five years.

[4:00:58] Trustee Colbourne: So much to sell the courses into the year 31, aren't they?

[4:01:02] Trustee Colbourne: Something like that.

[4:01:03] Trustee Colbourne: Yeah.

[4:01:04] Trustee Colbourne: I

[4:01:04] Voice 14: think there's a time limit in the LGA isn't as well

[4:01:08] Voice 14: or some requirement I thought.

[4:01:10] Voice 14: As a recommendation.

[4:01:12] Trustee Rogers: Yeah, we've the policy has been abused.

[4:01:17] Trustee Rogers: Let's just, let's call it what it is.

[4:01:19] Trustee Rogers: It's just, and it's just not been,

[4:01:23] Trustee Rogers: and I don't know the reasons the historical reasons

[4:01:26] Trustee Rogers: other than capacity but it's hopefully this whole new regional planning team approach and

[4:01:32] Trustee Rogers: we've got to fund to find a way to fund all of these OCP I know I know when I started in in 2014

[4:01:42] Trustee Rogers: I agreed that the Gambier one could go first but I wanted the Keats one done in my term too

[4:01:47] Trustee Rogers: and that was six years ago and we haven't even we're just now getting the Gambier one started

[4:01:52] Trustee Rogers: So it's, I know that these two terms might keep OCP,

[4:01:56] Trustee Rogers: which is, it's not going to get updated.

[4:01:59] Trustee Rogers: So it's just a way to, anyway, thanks for that discussion.

[4:02:04] Trustee Rogers: I look forward to your proposal with trustee Colburn

[4:02:07] Trustee Rogers: and I will be hopefully quite supportive of it.

[4:02:11] Trustee Rogers: Anything else related to all of this?

[4:02:15] Trustee Rogers: Thank you for your, as always RPM Cowher

[4:02:18] Trustee Rogers: for being willing to facilitate the things we need to do.

[4:02:21] Trustee Rogers: given I know you're doing way more planning

[4:02:25] Trustee Rogers: than your job description probably would anticipate.

[4:02:32] Trustee Rogers: I have nothing else, then our next upcoming meeting

[4:02:36] Trustee Rogers: is June 17th, as we've said a number of times.

[4:02:40] Trustee Rogers: I always love that it says location to be determined.

[4:02:44] Trustee Rogers: There really is nothing we're about to go in camera

[4:02:48] Trustee Rogers: unless either trustee has anything further

[4:02:51] Trustee Rogers: further to raise in the public meeting.

[4:02:55] Trustee Rogers: Thank you very much.

[4:02:57] Trustee Rogers: I think we're going to a separate meeting.

[4:03:00] Trustee Rogers: Is that right, Phil?

[4:03:01] Trustee Rogers: Sorry, Phil.

[4:03:02] Trustee Rogers: I don't know who Phil is.

[4:03:03] Trustee Rogers: Will?

[4:03:04] Trustee Rogers: Yes,

[4:03:06] Voice 2: you are going to a separate meeting.

[4:03:08] Voice 2: I sent the link when we were on our break.

[4:03:12] Trustee Rogers: Thanks very much.

[4:03:13] Voice 2: I want to

[4:03:13] Trustee Rogers: thank all the folks,

[4:03:14] Trustee Rogers: we only have three attendees left,

[4:03:16] Trustee Rogers: but thank all the attendees that were with us.

[4:03:18] Trustee Rogers: Would someone like to make the motion to close the meeting?

[4:03:21] Trustee Rogers: it's right it's on the agenda but you have to actually read this one i

[4:03:28] Voice 14: i moved that the meeting

[4:03:30] Voice 14: be closed to the public in accordance with community charter part four division three

[4:03:35] Voice 14: section 90 subsection 1a uh d f i and section 902 b for the purpose of continuing the appointment

[4:03:47] Voice 14: of housing advisory planning commission members adoption of in-camera meeting minutes dated

[4:03:53] Voice 14: May 14, 2020, July 30, 2020, and April 15, 2021, bylaw enforcement, legal advice and

[4:04:02] Voice 14: the consideration of information received and held in confidence relating to negotiations

[4:04:06] Voice 14: between a municipality and a provincial government or the federal government or both, or between

[4:04:12] Voice 14: a provincial government or the federal government or both, and a third party, and that the recorder

[4:04:16] Voice 14: and staff attend the meeting.

[4:04:18] Trustee Rogers: Okay, that's seconded.

[4:04:21] Trustee Rogers: Okay, all in favor?

[4:04:23] Trustee Rogers: that passes we'll see you in a moment at the camera and again thanks to

[4:04:26] Trustee Rogers: uh all the attendants bye-bye thanks

[4:04:29] Trustee Colbourne: everybody thanks chair