Saturna Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, May 20, 2021

[0:00:00] Trustee Patrick: i'm regularly um it's just live streams just being turned on here paul yes

[0:00:05] Voice 7: it's just being

[0:00:06] Voice 7: turned on i'll let you

[0:00:08] Voice 6: know when it's watch what you say paul don't be politically incorrect stop

[0:00:14] Voice 6: talking about me oh we have trustee middleton one minute late good morning if you're just joining

[0:00:24] Trustee Patrick: just stand by we'll start the meeting in just a moment no highly

[0:00:28] Voice 7: good morning hey there

[0:00:29] Trustee Middleton: uh live stream's all

[0:00:32] Voice 7: good chair patrick all right

[0:00:34] Trustee Patrick: trustees are we ready to go yep super um good

[0:00:40] Trustee Patrick: morning i'd like to call this meeting to order of the saturn island local trust committee i always

[0:00:47] Trustee Patrick: begin with acknowledging how fortunate we are to be meeting in the traditional territories of the

[0:00:51] Trustee Patrick: the Coast Salish people, but I'm also so happy to see so many other organizations that are

[0:01:01] Trustee Patrick: taking the effort to reach out and work with Indigenous people. For example, the Salt Spring

[0:01:09] Trustee Patrick: Arts Council holds arts craft every year and invites artists from just the southern Gulf

[0:01:15] Trustee Patrick: Islands, and this year they made special effort to invite Indigenous artists, but through the

[0:01:20] Trustee Patrick: the traditional territories of the Coast Salish people,

[0:01:22] Trustee Patrick: not just the Southern Gulf Islands.

[0:01:24] Trustee Patrick: And I really appreciate organizations

[0:01:26] Trustee Patrick: that are taking the time to embrace

[0:01:29] Trustee Patrick: and think of how they can work better

[0:01:33] Trustee Patrick: with indigenous people.

[0:01:37] Trustee Patrick: I'm Laura Patrick, elected on Salt Spring Island

[0:01:39] Trustee Patrick: and chair of this local trust committee.

[0:01:41] Trustee Patrick: I'm joined today by trustee Lee Middleton.

[0:01:44] Trustee Patrick: Good morning, Lee.

[0:01:44] Trustee Patrick: And trustee Paul Brandt.

[0:01:46] Trustee Patrick: Good morning, Paul.

[0:01:47] Trustee Patrick: Together we make

[0:01:48] Trustee Patrick: up your Saturna local trust committee.

[0:01:50] Trustee Patrick: Committee. This meeting is being conducted electronically and is being recorded. This

[0:01:54] Trustee Patrick: meeting is an official forum for your local trust committee to make decisions about land use

[0:01:58] Trustee Patrick: planning matters and discuss relevant business. And I also want to add that this is a place of

[0:02:02] Trustee Patrick: employment, despite the fact that some of our staff may be coming from their homes, they do

[0:02:06] Trustee Patrick: have the right to a safe and respectful workplace. We're grateful for the ability to have this

[0:02:11] Trustee Patrick: electronic meeting. Trustee staff, public don't have to travel, and we're honoring provincial

[0:02:15] Trustee Patrick: health orders and guidelines during the pandemic. As this is an electronic meeting, if we do run

[0:02:21] Trustee Patrick: into any technical difficulties, please be patient. We will work to overcome them as quickly as we can.

[0:02:26] Trustee Patrick: We've muted everyone's microphones so that there are no audio disruptions, and I'll review the

[0:02:30] Trustee Patrick: town hall in just a moment. We have staff joining us today. We have Maple Hung, our office administrator,

[0:02:37] Trustee Patrick: doing all the work to make this meeting run smoothly. Thank you, Maple. Lauren Edwards is

[0:02:42] Trustee Patrick: our minute taker good morning lauren and brad smith our partner hello brad so trustees we

[0:02:49] Trustee Patrick: have an agenda before us are there any additions or changes that we need to make to the agenda

[0:02:58] Trustee Patrick: yes trustee middleton uh

[0:03:01] Trustee Middleton: just that it was a piece of correspondence received i don't think it went

[0:03:04] Trustee Middleton: to the local trust committee just somebody um floating the idea of an educational piece for

[0:03:11] Trustee Middleton: for new residents of which there are quite a few.

[0:03:16] Trustee Middleton: So just a point for discussion,

[0:03:18] Trustee Middleton: educational outreach to new residents under new business.

[0:03:23] Trustee Patrick: Any other additions?

[0:03:30] Trustee Patrick: With that, can we approve the agenda as amended

[0:03:37] Trustee Patrick: through general consent?

[0:03:40] Trustee Patrick: Excellent, thank you very much.

[0:03:42] Trustee Patrick: So with that, we move into trustee reports.

[0:03:46] Trustee Patrick: Who would like to go first?

[0:03:54] Trustee Patrick: Paul, you're muted.

[0:03:58] Voice 6: There is not much to report other than I think, you know, all things considered, given the pandemic and the various health orders that Saturna Island is doing remarkably well.

[0:04:12] Voice 6: And so it's very difficult on a lot of people. We all know that. I think everyone's affected, but there's a great deal of respect and support in this community.

[0:04:24] Voice 6: and so, yeah, it's an absolute delight to be here

[0:04:28] Voice 6: and have the kind of community support that we do.

[0:04:33] Voice 6: That's my report.

[0:04:35] Trustee Patrick: Thank you very much.

[0:04:38] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Middleton.

[0:04:40] Trustee Middleton: Sure, thank you.

[0:04:42] Trustee Middleton: Yes, the meetings that I've attended recently for the island

[0:04:47] Trustee Middleton: was the Southern Gulf Islands National Park Reserve Advisory Committee for Saturna.

[0:04:59] Trustee Middleton: It had a very good turnout.

[0:05:00] Trustee Middleton: It was about three weeks ago.

[0:05:02] Trustee Middleton: And we had an excellent update from the Park Reserve

[0:05:05] Trustee Middleton: in terms of their activities this summer.

[0:05:07] Trustee Middleton: And they're well into a hiring process for a superintendent of the Park Reserve.

[0:05:15] Trustee Middleton: and the former superintendent Marcia Marash is now the director general I think is her title

[0:05:25] Trustee Middleton: in southwestern Ontario for national parks and national historic sites so she was very helpful

[0:05:31] Trustee Middleton: in changing the relationship with the park that the park had with communities here and so we

[0:05:36] Trustee Middleton: We certainly will miss her, but we're on very good footing

[0:05:40] Trustee Middleton: in terms of our relationship with the park.

[0:05:44] Trustee Middleton: The trust as a whole, it's still unresolved from a governance perspective,

[0:05:48] Trustee Middleton: but there's really nothing the trust can do about that.

[0:05:50] Trustee Middleton: That's up to the federal government and their liaising and working

[0:05:54] Trustee Middleton: and identifying partnerships with First Nations

[0:05:57] Trustee Middleton: on whose traditional territory the park lies.

[0:06:01] Trustee Middleton: So basically the actual park liaison committee is in hiatus

[0:06:06] Trustee Middleton: um and so uh yeah and then further just been spending some time working with the uh select

[0:06:14] Trustee Middleton: committee on uh governance and management review who have um hired um from a bid process hired a

[0:06:22] Trustee Middleton: consultant um uh team who are basically i think we're all quite impressed with their um their

[0:06:30] Trustee Middleton: background and what i think they'll offer us in terms of particularly in the area of of um

[0:06:34] Trustee Middleton: of governance and so there'll be a more detail on that presented to uh in a report to trust

[0:06:40] Trustee Middleton: council but um so far it looks like we've been quite fortunate in in um who responded and what

[0:06:47] Trustee Middleton: who we were able to hire to do this work and i think it'll be quite a significant um achievement

[0:06:53] Trustee Middleton: that you know hopefully all of we can all look back on and and realize this was a really momentous

[0:07:00] Trustee Middleton: piece of work and so far it looks good so i think for me that's it all

[0:07:05] Trustee Patrick: right thank you trustee

[0:07:06] Trustee Patrick: middleton uh for my report i'll let you know trust council is coming up again in june june 8th through

[0:07:12] Trustee Patrick: 10th so um the agenda package will be coming out in the next i think after next week um and i just

[0:07:22] Trustee Patrick: there is some some circulation of comments regarding our previous uh trust council in march

[0:07:30] Trustee Patrick: of some concerns and of what some of the motions

[0:07:33] Trustee Patrick: that we made and I just want to assure people

[0:07:36] Trustee Patrick: that it was just an affirmation,

[0:07:39] Trustee Patrick: not a shift in direction or reordering of priorities.

[0:07:43] Trustee Patrick: It's a statement of clarification of motions

[0:07:45] Trustee Patrick: that we made in March regarding the object statement

[0:07:48] Trustee Patrick: for the trust.

[0:07:49] Trustee Patrick: I've always understood that the mandate of the trust

[0:07:53] Trustee Patrick: is to mean that we have a responsibility

[0:07:55] Trustee Patrick: toward our constituency, the people and the environment.

[0:07:58] Trustee Patrick: environment. The trust is different than any other local government in British Columbia because we

[0:08:03] Trustee Patrick: have a statutory and legal obligation to the environment in addition to all other jurisdictions.

[0:08:09] Trustee Patrick: And with that, it's now your turn to speak. And this is the town hall. We want to hear any of

[0:08:20] Trustee Patrick: your questions or comments. We do have one application on the agenda today. The applicant

[0:08:26] Trustee Patrick: in we'll have a time to to an opportunity to speak when we consider the application so

[0:08:31] Trustee Patrick: the applicant can wait um if uh please uh please be respectful direct your comments to the ltc

[0:08:40] Trustee Patrick: not the audience or staff speak about issues not individuals and make specific uh and that's it

[0:08:47] Trustee Patrick: be clear concise and respectful um is there anyone who wishes to so it's just justine it's just

[0:08:54] Trustee Patrick: justine sorry justine i just wasn't uh trying to make it sound but i don't see anyone else that's

[0:09:00] Trustee Patrick: through the um that has logged in um we always want to hear from people so please uh reach out

[0:09:08] Trustee Patrick: to the trustees or send emails to south info at islandstrust.bc.ca and that would be great

[0:09:17] Trustee Patrick: Okay, so moving on to the agenda here, we have minutes that are here just for information and the resolutions.

[0:09:29] Trustee Patrick: We have the follow-up action list, I guess, is really the next action item of 9.1.

[0:09:34] Trustee Patrick: Is there anything from staff or questions from trustees?

[0:09:41] Planner: Nothing from staff in particular, unless trustees have any questions.

[0:09:50] Trustee Patrick: Not seeing any.

[0:09:51] Trustee Patrick: all right well then that will bring us to justine uh stark who's here from the crd and um if you can

[0:10:01] Trustee Patrick: move her over as a panelist maple that would be greatly appreciated she's here to talk to us today

[0:10:06] Trustee Patrick: about the southern gulf island transportation integration plan yes

[0:10:11] Voice 7: i'm justine uh stark has

[0:10:13] Voice 7: now moved over to the panelist side you can unmute yourself

[0:10:16] Trustee Patrick: perfect thank you good morning justine

[0:10:18] Trustee Patrick: the floor is yours. Good

[0:10:19] Voice 2: morning. Thank you for having me. I wish I were on sunny Saturna Island

[0:10:25] Voice 2: to present this in person. But, you know, I'm here today to introduce to you the Saturna Island

[0:10:34] Voice 2: Local Trust Committee, the Transportation Service Establishment Study that we're conducting.

[0:10:42] Voice 2: I think the name of the project is Transportation Integration Plan. And that's because

[0:10:48] Voice 2: We've hired Watt Consulting to support us in scoping out a multi-modal integrated transportation service for the southern Gulf Islands.

[0:10:58] Voice 2: And when I say multi-modal, I mean we're investigating public transit, inter-island passenger ferries,

[0:11:06] Voice 2: and the ability to have active transportation networks all interconnected to serve the islands as a region.

[0:11:16] Voice 2: obviously with links to salt spring and swartz bay perhaps as well or or sydney

[0:11:22] Voice 2: um so the direction to do this work came from the community economic sustainability commission

[0:11:29] Voice 2: um which is a regional commission looking out for the economic um interests of the southern

[0:11:37] Voice 2: gulf islands and uh actually trustee brent is your saturn island representative on what we call

[0:11:45] Voice 2: the CESC. So a couple years ago they requested that the CRD create a transportation commission

[0:11:52] Voice 2: and the way regional district services work, you establish commissions that have appointed

[0:11:57] Voice 2: representatives from the community to oversee and advise on a service. So if you want to have

[0:12:03] Voice 2: a transportation commission, first you need to establish a service and it's that work that we're

[0:12:07] Voice 2: are looking at now. So we're costing out and trying to define these three modes, these three

[0:12:15] Voice 2: service models, and looking into what will the role of the CRD be. And it would be probably

[0:12:22] Voice 2: different for each mode. As you can imagine, it's kind of a large and ambitious project to

[0:12:30] Voice 2: undertake, but we're doing so with the great advice of your local community groups who have

[0:12:37] Voice 2: have already been always been active on um advocating for transportation improvements so

[0:12:42] Voice 2: we're working um we've we've struck actually three advisory groups one per mode and um what's already

[0:12:48] Voice 2: done some initial engagement with those groups so you've got your trail societies and your parks

[0:12:53] Voice 2: commissions um and and others speaking to trail networks and active transportation and you've got

[0:13:00] Voice 2: your community bus societies and um the lions and uh trustee brent um uh speaking to community buses

[0:13:10] Voice 2: and public transit options on each of the islands um as and then for the inter-island transportation

[0:13:17] Voice 2: piece we've been working with water taxi providers and and just other um kind of nautical folks in

[0:13:23] Voice 2: the islands um the tour de zeal people have been putting put on the tour de zeal over the years and

[0:13:28] Voice 2: And so gathering all the local intel that we can,

[0:13:32] Voice 2: going through piles of background information,

[0:13:35] Voice 2: there have been previous studies.

[0:13:36] Voice 2: This isn't the first time we've looked at this,

[0:13:39] Voice 2: but it's the first time we've actually taken it forward

[0:13:42] Voice 2: and with the goal of proposing a service model.

[0:13:47] Voice 2: And so I think I'll leave it at that.

[0:13:50] Voice 2: Like it is, you know, each mode has its complexities

[0:13:53] Voice 2: and I'm sure trustees have questions.

[0:13:58] Voice 2: Oh, I guess I should also let you know that this is the beginning of our process, and so we're doing the stakeholder engagement and the advisory group information gathering first, so that when we go to the public with a broader community engagement process in the fall, we'll have a basis from which to speak, and we'll be able to dig deeper into the information we already have with community input.

[0:14:23] Voice 2: put so we will be having depending on COVID we'll be having some like in real life community

[0:14:31] Voice 2: engagement town halls or zoom town halls as well as open houses on each of the islands and we're

[0:14:37] Voice 2: developing a an online platform that will be interactive some community mapping tools

[0:14:43] Voice 2: yeah all that's kind of in the works and the goal is like what's contract what consultings

[0:14:49] Voice 2: their contract is uh to be all wrapped up by the end of this year um end of december 2021 so

[0:14:56] Voice 2: then we'll be looking towards 2022 to um be proposing the service um in order to establish

[0:15:06] Voice 2: a service uh you need voter assent and so we're planning to have a referendum question

[0:15:12] Voice 2: on the general election in 2022 October 15th 2022 where the Islanders will get

[0:15:19] Voice 2: to choose if this is a service they would like to take on like the CRD to

[0:15:24] Voice 2: take on so with that I'll turn it over to you chair Patrick to facilitate

[0:15:29] Voice 2: questions yes

[0:15:31] Trustee Patrick: are there any questions for Justine go ahead Trustee Middleton

[0:15:37] Trustee Patrick: and thanks

[0:15:38] Trustee Middleton: justine that's great and um when we there was a meeting in sydney uh some oh it's

[0:15:45] Trustee Middleton: probably a few years ago now maybe even longer i'm not sure but it was a similar concept to

[0:15:50] Trustee Middleton: potentially bc transit was um uh going to be a funding partner in in a similar foot uh ferry

[0:15:58] Trustee Middleton: service but one of the key drivers was the interest of the town of sydney in having a foot i guess

[0:16:06] Trustee Middleton: And this is my question, because you probably know a lot more than I do. I understood there was to be kind of a big redevelopment of the waterfront in Sydney. And one of the key features was a docking space that the mayor had at the time was promoting and was quite interested in a docking space for a Gulf Islands foot ferry.

[0:16:26] Trustee Middleton: And he was touting at the time that this was excellent for business in Sydney because the Gulf Islands were a great untapped source of affordable housing as compared with the

[0:16:36] Trustee Middleton: Saanich Peninsula for Sydney, so that people could actually commute on it, which is not a bad idea.

[0:16:42] Trustee Middleton: but i mean it would be an interesting new commercial route and so i'm just wondering if

[0:16:48] Trustee Middleton: there is what the update might be in regards sydney and it's it's um you know potential

[0:16:54] Trustee Middleton: development redevelopment or where they're at in their interest on this and and just whatever you

[0:17:00] Trustee Middleton: know that would be great yeah

[0:17:02] Voice 2: thank you um through the chair i'll respond and say that we're not

[0:17:06] Voice 2: engaging Sydney directly on this and it isn't a main driver to connect Sydney to the southern

[0:17:13] Voice 2: gulf islands with the passenger ferries however and it was interesting in our focus group our

[0:17:19] Voice 2: advisory group for the water transportation those in attendance were kind of less less into the idea

[0:17:26] Voice 2: or the need to integrate Sydney and I truly think there's mixed opinions about that I think from an

[0:17:33] Voice 2: operational perspective it's easier to just do navy channel right you connect hope bay and main

[0:17:38] Voice 2: island and um galliano island and saturn island all easily um probably in all seasons um it could

[0:17:47] Voice 2: be doable but when you start hopping over to salt spring or hopping over to sydney you're you're

[0:17:51] Voice 2: crossing open water and it's just a longer trip and it's the the business case isn't isn't as strong

[0:17:56] Voice 2: so there's all these kind of factors operational realities i think functionally and what we do know

[0:18:02] Voice 2: One of the reasons we're advancing the inter-island connections is because of the needs of the Southern Gulf Islanders to access the peninsula and access Sydney, you know, all the time.

[0:18:14] Voice 2: And BC Ferries doesn't always meet the needs of folks.

[0:18:18] Voice 2: And it would open up new economic opportunities and housing opportunities, sure, between Sydney and the Southern Gulf Islands.

[0:18:26] Voice 2: But even amongst the Southern Gulf Islands, if you could have somebody living on Galliano and working on Maine or living on Saperna and working on Pender like that, we know that Southern Gulf Islands are constrained with the housing crisis and the labor pool.

[0:18:41] Voice 2: And so there's not, you know, like Galliano can't find an early childhood educator.

[0:18:47] Voice 2: They had zero responses to their posting.

[0:18:49] Voice 2: And it's because those who did inquire, their first question was, where would I live?

[0:18:55] Voice 2: And there isn't anywhere to live.

[0:18:57] Voice 2: So it's all connected and all these issues are connected and the economic context of the Southern Gulf Islands is really related to better interrelationship.

[0:19:08] Voice 2: So I answered way more to your question there, but that's some of the rationale behind it.

[0:19:11] Voice 2: And I think we'll really get into that in the community.

[0:19:13] Voice 2: I'm interested to hear what the broader community thinks about the connection to Sydney.

[0:19:19] Voice 2: And it might be like further down the road as well.

[0:19:21] Voice 2: I think that we'll start small on the water program.

[0:19:26] Voice 2: um i expect that you know it's it's it's one that's very hard to cost out thank

[0:19:35] Trustee Patrick: you any further

[0:19:36] Trustee Patrick: question i see trustee rent it's

[0:19:38] Voice 6: not going to be a question it's going to be a comment just so that

[0:19:41] Voice 6: people know what consulting um is unlike some of the previous consultants that the crd engaged

[0:19:48] Voice 6: in that they have a lot of experience in small rural communities uh one of the consultants i

[0:19:55] Voice 6: I don't know if she's a lead consultant. Tanya Wegowitz was with B.C. Transit when B.C. Transit investigated transit in the southern Gulf Islands.

[0:20:05] Voice 6: So there is a lot of a lot of experience there. And it's it's appropriate to our islands and the size of our islands.

[0:20:15] Voice 6: And there is expertise in respect to the many challenges we face.

[0:20:21] Voice 6: So this is not an off-the-shelf study. Justine has done a remarkable job with the RFP because she got an outstanding group to respond successfully to it, much like the select committee has done with the management review of the trust.

[0:20:40] Voice 6: That's all I have to say. Thanks.

[0:20:42] Trustee Patrick: Thank you, Trustee Brent. Well, I think it's wonderful that you're taking the integrated approach of the various transportation elements, and I applaud you for taking that approach and look forward to the outcome of this work. So any final questions for Justine? Trustee Middleton?

[0:21:02] Trustee Middleton: Yeah, thank you. No, I think it's great too, Justine, and totally support going to a referendum if that's, you know, when the consultants can find a case to do so. I think that'd be great. And understand starting small and in a focused area, that makes sense too.

[0:21:16] Trustee Middleton: One thing that did come up last time as well was kind of leveraging the investment that the school district makes in its water taxi service.

[0:21:28] Trustee Middleton: I think that I found the operator was a little bit kind of misunderstood sort of what the intent was.

[0:21:34] Trustee Middleton: They were quite thorny about the whole thing.

[0:21:37] Trustee Middleton: But the idea being would not be to change what they do with the school district, but to supplement use of those vessels.

[0:21:48] Trustee Middleton: um if there's any opportunity if that's i mean i guess the consultants i guess would make

[0:21:53] Trustee Middleton: potentially look into that but so yeah that's kind of a kind of an open-ended question you

[0:21:59] Trustee Middleton: may not have an answer to that right right at the moment which is of course fine well

[0:22:04] Voice 2: i i have i

[0:22:05] Voice 2: have a small answer um and and that is we've identified the school district as as the most

[0:22:13] Voice 2: you know possible partner that would really it would be very efficient to bundle a service with

[0:22:21] Voice 2: the school district but there's a lot of obstacles and challenges in doing so we did do some

[0:22:26] Voice 2: preliminary consultation with them in the course of preparing the RFP so that we could make sure

[0:22:31] Voice 2: to ask the right questions in the RFP and so we put them on notice that you know we'd be interested

[0:22:38] Voice 2: did in a partnership down the road and should they enter into a new contract uh with a service

[0:22:43] Voice 2: provider that they um you know be building in some flexibility perhaps in that contract so there's

[0:22:51] Voice 2: there's um there's a lot of politics and there's a lot of challenges with um transporting school

[0:22:57] Voice 2: children and mixing school children with the general public um that we have to overcome but

[0:23:03] Voice 2: But in theory, you know, there should be some kind of efficiency there.

[0:23:08] Voice 2: The boats are going empty one way.

[0:23:12] Voice 2: Yeah, there's, it's so, and it is difficult to work across government agencies as well.

[0:23:20] Voice 2: But we're going to try.

[0:23:23] Trustee Patrick: Well, thank you.

[0:23:25] Trustee Patrick: It always starts with a conversation.

[0:23:28] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[0:23:28] Trustee Patrick: So any final questions?

[0:23:31] Trustee Patrick: Otherwise, thank Justine for coming.

[0:23:33] Trustee Patrick: you all know how to reach her and if you have other ideas and so looking forward to the next

[0:23:38] Trustee Patrick: phases of this of this work all right uh so the next item so thank you again justine

[0:23:46] Trustee Patrick: um is uh an application a 12.1 on the agenda development permit application and we have a

[0:23:54] Trustee Patrick: staff report beginning on page 14.

[0:23:59] Planner: thank you chair patrick hello tc uh staff report for

[0:24:04] Planner: for Mr. Fjord bought and the property at 130 Cliffside Road

[0:24:09] Planner: for the stairs that extend through the rear lots setback

[0:24:15] Planner: and the development permit area, two bluffs area

[0:24:22] Planner: and the stairway extending down into the fair shore

[0:24:25] Planner: and the natural sea boundary.

[0:24:27] Planner: Stairway was built in 2016

[0:24:29] Planner: with no development permit applied for or provided

[0:24:34] Planner: and subject to a bylaw enforcement complaint.

[0:24:39] Planner: The applicant is now seeking to legalize the stairs.

[0:24:42] Planner: The report's fairly straightforward.

[0:24:46] Planner: I think I'll just really leave it to LTC

[0:24:49] Planner: to fire away with any questions you may have.

[0:24:54] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[0:24:55] Trustee Patrick: I have Trustee Brent.

[0:24:58] Voice 6: I actually have no questions

[0:25:00] Voice 6: because it is very straightforward

[0:25:02] Voice 6: and I'm going to move

[0:25:02] Voice 6: that the Saturna Island Local Trust Committee

[0:25:04] Voice 6: approve issuance of development permit

[0:25:08] Voice 6: SADP 2021.1 Fjordboten.

[0:25:13] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second to this motion?

[0:25:15] Trustee Middleton: Sure, for discussion, I'll second.

[0:25:18] Trustee Patrick: All right, thank you.

[0:25:19] Trustee Patrick: Any discussion?

[0:25:21] Trustee Middleton: I guess, yeah, it's very thorough.

[0:25:24] Trustee Middleton: As Paul says, it's really very clearly laid out

[0:25:27] Trustee Middleton: and the conclusion is solidly uh um framed by uh both uh plan smith and also the consultants that

[0:25:35] Trustee Middleton: um did the environmental work um i guess so i guess that the question i have is that it may

[0:25:40] Trustee Middleton: be in there and i may have missed it if so i apologize so they they talk quite a bit about

[0:25:45] Trustee Middleton: the remediation work required on the bluff edge and that's where in the photos you can see this

[0:25:50] Trustee Middleton: a fair bit of scotch broom and um and obviously displacement of uh of douglas fir and whatnot

[0:25:56] Trustee Middleton: not which was not obviously anything that the applicant did um and it certainly wasn't anything

[0:26:02] Trustee Middleton: that happened in the construction of the staircase as they the uh the the consultants make out but

[0:26:08] Trustee Middleton: they said the way it's framed they seem to indicate that as a condition of proceeding with

[0:26:14] Trustee Middleton: the the permit um that that there would be remediation on the on the bluff edge and i'm

[0:26:21] Trustee Middleton: wondering what um i mean that sounds like the property owner is very uh very much uh interested

[0:26:27] Trustee Middleton: in being compliant interested in natural remediation is motivated to participate but

[0:26:32] Trustee Middleton: there is no is is there a mechanism to uh observe and or um the

[0:26:40] Planner: the report does speak to the

[0:26:43] Planner: construction of the stairways having minimal additional impact to the uh to the habitat

[0:26:49] Planner: tab beyond the the obvious impacts of the blasting and land clearing in the past that essentially

[0:26:56] Planner: stripped all of the natural vegetation from the whole front edge of the property and uh right

[0:27:03] Planner: where the stairs go down there's obviously a blast hole there the report has pictures of the

[0:27:08] Planner: of the debris pile at the bottom uh so the report actually concludes that a restoration plan is not

[0:27:15] Planner: required specifically for the stairways itself and the recommendations are more broadly meant to

[0:27:22] Planner: speak to the broader restoration condition or activities that would be required to

[0:27:32] Planner: fix all the other impacts that were not caused by the stairs so in this case it would be

[0:27:39] Planner: a little bit beyond LTC's and I guess you could and push for him to submit a measurable restoration

[0:27:50] Planner: plan that actually identifies specific number of trees to plant and species types for example and

[0:27:58] Planner: a planting schedule and a site plan for the upper portion but because that's beyond the scope of

[0:28:06] Planner: of what impacts he's actually created himself

[0:28:10] Planner: through his stairways.

[0:28:11] Planner: It would seem to be a bit of a beyond the scope of,

[0:28:16] Planner: but the property owner has indicated

[0:28:19] Planner: he's interested in voluntarily restoring that site,

[0:28:23] Planner: but obviously that doesn't carry the same weight

[0:28:25] Planner: as a development permit

[0:28:27] Planner: with specific conditions tied to it.

[0:28:31] Planner: Yeah.

[0:28:31] Trustee Middleton: That's good.

[0:28:32] Trustee Middleton: Just because the consultant gives quite extensive detail

[0:28:36] Trustee Middleton: and how to complete a restoration and so obviously that's a helpful prescription but it's not a

[0:28:43] Trustee Middleton: mandatory condition then yeah

[0:28:46] Planner: so what staff did was i did i did my best to tease through the report

[0:28:50] Planner: and pull out actual measurable conditions specific to the stairway itself and kept the scope of the

[0:28:57] Planner: permit at that level as opposed to a broad entire restoration plan for which the property owner

[0:29:05] Planner: would probably have some avenue to push back and say this is way beyond the scope of the impact

[0:29:11] Planner: that i've created yeah

[0:29:13] Trustee Middleton: that's good clarification thank you yeah

[0:29:15] Trustee Patrick: i was just i have a couple questions

[0:29:18] Trustee Patrick: i'm not living there and is that is it common that people have blasted these steps down the

[0:29:25] Trustee Patrick: bluffs so

[0:29:26] Planner: the the blasting was just i'm not sure what the purpose of the blasting was uh but it was

[0:29:32] Planner: was done by previous owner and uh i would say that oh well i don't know if either uh the on

[0:29:40] Planner: island trustees have actually been there have you it is a thrilling structure to say the least and

[0:29:48] Planner: i highly recommend you connect with glenn and have a go go take a walk down it because uh

[0:29:54] Planner: i think it probably puts this new sky thing on the malahat to shame

[0:29:59] Planner: I'm trying.

[0:30:00] Planner: of uh of uh it is an incredible structure built on literally like a 70 meter

[0:30:07] Planner: uh ledge so it is highly uncommon it is it is a man's uh irrational dream come true is what it is

[0:30:19] Planner: because you get to the bottom of it and i mean it's a really impractical structure you get to

[0:30:24] Planner: the bottom of it and it's even as it's built now without removing the bottom portion it's probably

[0:30:29] Planner: a 15 foot drop down to the actual uh foreshore itself uh which he uses a ladder to get down so

[0:30:38] Planner: and then he all he does is go down there and fish is once a year or twice a year so it is a stairway

[0:30:44] Planner: it is a stairway to nowhere uh but uh it is it is a really really neat structure from a structural

[0:30:50] Planner: perspective yeah so i recommend you try to get there you could charge admission i think honestly

[0:30:55] Planner: it is breathtaking and i don't say that lately because i've been on i've done lots of pretty

[0:31:02] Planner: neat stuff in my life i'm

[0:31:05] Trustee Patrick: just concerned is it create does this create a precedence at all for

[0:31:09] Trustee Patrick: other people in that area that would want to build yeah i

[0:31:12] Planner: mean there's always demand for

[0:31:14] Planner: building stairways through uh to access for sure uh i guess in it could create a bit of a precedent

[0:31:23] Planner: And I guess at this point, given that it's there, do you make him completely remove it, which would probably cause more damage to the habitat?

[0:31:35] Planner: I think had he come seeking approval proactively, he probably would not have gotten it, or at least staff would not have recommended approval.

[0:31:44] Planner: and so I guess it's just this place where we get stuck in sometimes where we're retroactively

[0:31:52] Planner: trying to find solutions for property owners I mean there's certainly another solution would be

[0:31:57] Planner: for well I mean LTC could probably use the guidelines and say that it's inappropriate

[0:32:05] Planner: and lean on that to have him remove it altogether I guess but to what end thank

[0:32:13] Trustee Patrick: you trustee Brent

[0:32:14] Trustee Patrick: I

[0:32:15] Voice 6: think if LTC were to do that, we'd be subject to judicial review and we would lose based on my understanding of how these development permit permits work.

[0:32:26] Voice 6: The other point I'd like to make is there is a lot of disturbance in that bluff area by people.

[0:32:34] Voice 6: So we start doing that. We're going to be opening up the majority of people out there to that type of situation.

[0:32:43] Voice 6: situation so there's a lot of stuff that was done in the past that shouldn't have been done

[0:32:47] Voice 6: and it's up to us now to make sure it doesn't occur in the future and

[0:32:51] Planner: this is a really unusual

[0:32:52] Planner: structure in in in in its sighting and um and it also extends well into the the not beyond the

[0:33:01] Planner: natural boundary of the sea which is uh significant in having to remove that portion because it's

[0:33:09] Planner: essentially trespassing onto the crown land but i i i understand where you're coming from chair

[0:33:17] Planner: patrick but i i don't see uh it being hugely precedent setting given it's such if it was just

[0:33:24] Planner: a short straight run of stairs as traditional what other property owners would be doing

[0:33:29] Planner: that might be more of a question but in this case it it is literally like 70 meters six landings

[0:33:37] Planner: five five different directions as it navigates its way down down the cliff

[0:33:45] Planner: side so

[0:33:46] Trustee Patrick: thank you very much any further debate trustee Middleton thank you for

[0:33:55] Trustee Middleton: that yeah useful discussion it is I agree with trustee or sorry planner

[0:34:01] Trustee Middleton: Smith that that is kind of on the cliff if you were to have a home on the cliff

[0:34:05] Trustee Middleton: and you desired water access you would never purchase a home towards that end of cliffside

[0:34:10] Trustee Middleton: because the cliff is actually quite significant and there is one other staircase that i have been

[0:34:15] Trustee Middleton: on that's near that lot um that it is is older uh and it just shows they just don't last it's

[0:34:22] Trustee Middleton: just so exposed um and so yeah

[0:34:25] Planner: yeah

[0:34:26] Trustee Middleton: so i think precedent will show from people who look there

[0:34:30] Trustee Middleton: that that it would really reduce the motivation of anybody else wanting to do this because the

[0:34:35] Trustee Middleton: The two examples that have been done are just, you know, they're very rapidly decaying under the exposure in the winter.

[0:34:43] Trustee Middleton: And then the second point I'd make is people would generally want to do this if they were seeking access to the sea.

[0:34:55] Trustee Middleton: And what we've done here is this ladder, this staircase, as PlanetSmith points out, literally now goes nowhere.

[0:35:01] Trustee Middleton: so we've we've not if we were to approve this where the permit does not actually give the

[0:35:06] Trustee Middleton: the applicant access to the to the uh to the the foreshore it stops well short so that the

[0:35:14] Trustee Middleton: precedent if anything is of a viewing ladder more than a way of actually really is

[0:35:19] Planner: and so it is

[0:35:21] Planner: being uh with pulling that bottom section off and even being

[0:35:26] Planner: completely impractical to reach the foreshore really you're creating a viewing a viewing

[0:35:33] Planner: platform and like yeah and really just trying to come to some retroactive solution for i would

[0:35:40] Planner: guess and i don't think this is an exaggeration in today's uh with today's prices that it's

[0:35:48] Planner: probably a fifty thousand dollar staircase with the complexity of the work it being all cedar

[0:35:54] Planner: and all the metal cabling and everything else it's probably a 50 60

[0:36:02] Voice 3: 000 structure i would guess

[0:36:04] Voice 3: at this point literally which is insane yeah but but thrilling

[0:36:13] Trustee Patrick: vacations here we go all right uh so um any further debate that i'll call the vote

[0:36:21] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[0:36:24] Voice 9: Aye.

[0:36:25] Voice 9: That is carried.

[0:36:27] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[0:36:27] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[0:36:29] Trustee Patrick: So moving on, we have our top priorities report on page 51.

[0:36:38] Trustee Patrick: Are there any questions or anything at this time on either that or the

[0:36:43] Trustee Patrick: project's report of Trustee Middleton?

[0:36:46] Trustee Middleton: Yes.

[0:36:47] Trustee Middleton: Just give me a second while I find the page, if you would.

[0:36:51] Trustee Middleton: 51.

[0:36:51] Trustee Middleton: 51.

[0:36:52] Trustee Middleton: Okay. Excuse me. I did talk to Planner Smith about this, and it seems non-controversial,

[0:37:05] Trustee Middleton: but we'll just get it in the minutes, I'm thinking. 51. Okay, here we go. So, I mean,

[0:37:15] Trustee Middleton: what I'd be tempted is to add this as a fourth priority, just in the sense that we know priority

[0:37:20] Trustee Middleton: one, and two, there's really all going well, not much further work in that they're waiting

[0:37:26] Trustee Middleton: for ministerial approval.

[0:37:28] Trustee Middleton: And so, but I'm not wedded to making it a, what do we call it, a top priority at this

[0:37:36] Trustee Middleton: point, rather than to, I guess, just communicate intent that this will be a top priority.

[0:37:46] Trustee Middleton: And that would be a technical review of the land use, Saturno land use bylaw and official

[0:37:50] Trustee Middleton: community plan. We've just in our, we, the last term we conducted a fairly extensive

[0:37:57] Trustee Middleton: technical review, which largely brought the land use bylaw and the official community plan up to

[0:38:02] Trustee Middleton: date given current regulatory context and role of, you know, changing names of ministries and

[0:38:10] Trustee Middleton: that type of thing and oversights and omissions or general errors that, you know, inevitably

[0:38:16] Trustee Middleton: creep into documents of that complexity, we've largely fixed. But there's a few things in

[0:38:22] Trustee Middleton: practice that we could perhaps clarify the definition of. And then secondly, a few instances

[0:38:28] Trustee Middleton: of eMERGE that do need attention. I think on the agenda has been the school property is

[0:38:35] Trustee Middleton: effectively half of it is miszoned that needs, I would consider that a technical matter for

[0:38:41] Trustee Middleton: correction. There's some issue that the zoning in the vineyard, which is an agricultural

[0:38:48] Trustee Middleton: property, of course, doesn't match the agricultural zoning in the neighboring farm.

[0:38:52] Trustee Middleton: And so that could be looked at. So there's a bit of a shopping list, nothing like

[0:38:57] Trustee Middleton: crazily extensive, but just a chance for Paul and I to tidy up the land use bylaws as sort of

[0:39:04] Trustee Middleton: on the main focus of the next year of of the term so uh when we spoke linus said that he would

[0:39:12] Trustee Middleton: and i don't know what kind of direction is needed for this to happen obviously we have to hear from

[0:39:17] Trustee Middleton: trustee brent but uh uh would prepare a um a scope document for adoption at the next uh local trust

[0:39:25] Trustee Middleton: committee meeting um and um and that's as far as my understanding goes so i'll stop there

[0:39:32] Trustee Patrick: all right the trustee

[0:39:34] Planner: just make a quick point there rpm kojima has suggested that you could

[0:39:39] Planner: bump the water project off your priorities list right now as you're not planning to pursue that

[0:39:44] Planner: after that final report is submitted and uh and elevate this to uh your priorities list and then

[0:39:53] Planner: direct staff to return with a project charter uh at the next meeting for endorsement if that's

[0:40:00] That's

[0:40:00] Planner: an approach you want to take.

[0:40:06] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Brent, any input?

[0:40:08] Voice 6: Yeah, I'm going

[0:40:09] Voice 6: to move that we move groundwater sustainability project out of number two spot for priorities

[0:40:18] Voice 6: and replace it with technical review of bylaws and direct staff to return with a project charter.

[0:40:31] Trustee Patrick: I just would like to give the minute taker a moment to catch up with us and read that back.

[0:40:37] Trustee Patrick: Todd Planner-Smith.

[0:40:39] Trustee Patrick: Can

[0:40:39] Planner: I just propose a friendly amendment?

[0:40:41] Planner: It

[0:40:41] Trustee Patrick: hasn't been seconded yet.

[0:40:44] Planner: For it to be a land use bylaw and OCP specific because there's lots of other bylaws.

[0:40:50] Voice 6: I missed that.

[0:40:51] Voice 6: Sorry.

[0:40:53] Trustee Patrick: Lauren, when you're ready, you can read back.

[0:40:56] Voice 8: Okay.

[0:40:56] Voice 8: I'm going to need your help with this, folks.

[0:40:58] Voice 8: So move that Saturna Islands Trust Committee,

[0:41:03] Voice 8: Local Trust Committee grant water,

[0:41:05] Voice 8: move water, what did you say, grant or move water?

[0:41:09] Voice 6: Groundwater Sustainability Project

[0:41:11] Voice 6: off the top priorities list.

[0:41:15] Voice 8: Groundwater Sustainability Project, hang on.

[0:41:19] Voice 8: Groundwater Sustainability Project,

[0:41:22] Voice 8: project off.

[0:41:24] Voice 8: The

[0:41:24] Voice 6: top priorities report.

[0:41:26] Voice 8: Off top priorities report.

[0:41:29] Voice 6: to be replaced

[0:41:31] Voice 8: by

[0:41:34] Voice 6: technical review of by-law and OCP.

[0:41:42] Voice 6: A

[0:41:43] Voice 8: minute, by technical review of by-laws?

[0:41:46] Voice 6: Yeah.

[0:41:47] Voice 8: Land use by-laws.

[0:41:48] Voice 6: Land use by-laws and OCP.

[0:41:51] Voice 8: Of land use by-laws and OCP.

[0:41:55] Voice 6: Right, and directs staff.

[0:41:59] Voice 8: And directs staff.

[0:42:04] Voice 6: to return

[0:42:06] Voice 8: to return with project with a

[0:42:09] Voice 6: project charter okay

[0:42:11] Voice 8: next

[0:42:12] Voice 6: meeting at

[0:42:13] Trustee Patrick: the next meeting

[0:42:14] Trustee Patrick: when you're done you can just read that back again lauren i appreciate that

[0:42:19] Voice 8: move that oh move that

[0:42:21] Voice 8: we move groundwater sustainability project off top priorities report to be replaced by technical

[0:42:28] Voice 8: review of land use bylaws and ocp and direct staff to return with a project charter at the next

[0:42:32] Voice 8: meeting

[0:42:32] Trustee Patrick: excellent uh trustee brent is are you satisfied with that yep

[0:42:37] Voice 6: that's perfect is there

[0:42:39] Trustee Patrick: a second second middleton is there any discussion no the only

[0:42:47] Voice 6: discussion what i proposed right now

[0:42:49] Voice 6: is that we did a really big technical review and i think um lee referred to that i think it was in

[0:42:56] Voice 6: 2018 lee but it was it was really really large so this is just cleaning up some loose ends some of

[0:43:02] Voice 6: of them we identified just at the end of that process and we said well we'll do it next time

[0:43:07] Voice 6: on a small a small review so this isn't meant to be uh super exhaustive it's uh cleaning up some

[0:43:13] Voice 6: bits and pieces as far as i'm concerned all right so

[0:43:18] Planner: my fresh lens might observe other things that

[0:43:21] Planner: weren't caught on the last review as well for

[0:43:25] Trustee Middleton: sure and that that that those eyes would be very

[0:43:28] Trustee Middleton: welcome for sure we want to make this as good a document as it can be so that that would be great

[0:43:33] Trustee Middleton: Um, might, might I just chair, just, um, this is not, uh, exactly speaking to the motion,

[0:43:40] Trustee Middleton: but just in terms of the priority number two, which was the groundwater sustainability project,

[0:43:45] Trustee Middleton: it seems to me that that could neatly be removed to the projects report and replace items two and

[0:43:52] Trustee Middleton: three, because it sort of encompasses those items. And that at least keeps it on our radar to look at

[0:43:57] Trustee Middleton: the final reporting when it comes in. And, um, and we don't necessarily do any work other than

[0:44:01] Trustee Middleton: and receive it and have knowledge of it.

[0:44:03] Trustee Patrick: Then my suggestion would be is let's keep this motion clean

[0:44:07] Trustee Patrick: and then you can either have a second motion

[0:44:09] Trustee Patrick: to add it to the project's list of that.

[0:44:12] Trustee Middleton: Yeah, okay, that sounds fine.

[0:44:14] Trustee Patrick: All right, any further debate on this motion then?

[0:44:17] Trustee Patrick: I'll call the vote.

[0:44:18] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[0:44:20] Trustee Patrick: And that is carried.

[0:44:22] Trustee Middleton: Okay.

[0:44:23] Trustee Middleton: If you wanted

[0:44:24] Trustee Patrick: to just then add that to the...

[0:44:27] Trustee Middleton: So I move that we've already moved it off

[0:44:32] Trustee Middleton: the top priorities report with that motion so what i would do is say that we place uh

[0:44:40] Trustee Middleton: item two removed from the top priorities report groundwater sustainability project

[0:44:47] Trustee Middleton: in the projects report list replacing current items two and three i will second

[0:44:56] Trustee Patrick: i'm going to give let's leave lauren a moment to uh uh

[0:45:02] Voice 6: yeah

[0:45:03] Voice 8: lauren's not there so um this is um

[0:45:08] Voice 8: uh trustee middleton moved um that we place item to remove from the top priorities report

[0:45:15] Voice 8: that's where i got yep

[0:45:17] Trustee Middleton: okay into the projects report list comma replacing

[0:45:24] Trustee Middleton: replacing items two and three.

[0:45:28] Trustee Middleton: Okay.

[0:45:29] Voice 8: And it was seconded by a trustee.

[0:45:32] Voice 8: Brent. Brent.

[0:45:35] Voice 8: Okay.

[0:45:36] Voice 8: Trustee Middleton move that we make

[0:45:41] Voice 8: local trust committee place item two

[0:45:43] Voice 8: removed from top priorities according

[0:45:44] Voice 8: to the project support list replacing items two and three.

[0:45:48] Trustee Patrick: Perfect. Sound correct.

[0:45:49] Trustee Patrick: Great.

[0:45:49] Trustee Patrick: Any discussion?

[0:45:52] Trustee Patrick: Well, I'll call the vote.

[0:45:53] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[0:45:54] Trustee Patrick: and that's carried yeah and i that's good because i eventually will see the report from the province

[0:46:00] Trustee Patrick: that uh we've cooperated with on the um sea water intrusion that uh saltwater intrusion that will be

[0:46:09] Trustee Patrick: of interest for certain okay so can

[0:46:14] Planner: i just sorry can i just clarify you move two and three

[0:46:18] Planner: three from the list yeah

[0:46:21] Trustee Middleton: so

[0:46:22] Planner: you moved the first the the two projects were waiting for uh

[0:46:26] Planner: the final bylaws

[0:46:28] Trustee Middleton: is that no no uh from the projects report list not the top priorities

[0:46:32] Planner: sorry i see yeah so

[0:46:34] Trustee Middleton: they're they're sort of encompassed by it anyway that the that

[0:46:38] Trustee Middleton: show but work actually takes items two and three to a final point then um we had already you know

[0:46:46] Trustee Middleton: know we had either intended or had the ability to work on so it nicely encompasses two and three

[0:46:52] Trustee Middleton: in my view and

[0:46:53] Planner: so that's i'm sorry i'm just in the program it doesn't have the number so that's

[0:46:57] Planner: the review of drinking water regulations and secondary suites is that correct yeah okay thank

[0:47:02] Planner: you thank you for the clarification i will put that i will remove them right now and then that's

[0:47:06] Planner: a low-hanging fruit action completed that

[0:47:11] Trustee Patrick: is planning an action to do

[0:47:13] Trustee Patrick: all right okay you just want

[0:47:17] Voice 6: them deleted all together yes yes

[0:47:20] Voice 6: replaced by many things from

[0:47:21] Voice 6: galliano

[0:47:23] Planner: or i could fill your bucket all

[0:47:27] Trustee Patrick: right no

[0:47:28] Planner: further

[0:47:30] Trustee Patrick: questions on those lists then we'll

[0:47:32] Trustee Patrick: move on to the applications report that's here on page 53 are there any questions on any of the

[0:47:38] Trustee Patrick: applications i

[0:47:41] Planner: did discuss i did get an update from mr hall with respect to his two applications

[0:47:46] Planner: uh with uh the um two property subdivision he's still trying to finalize potable water he now has

[0:47:55] Planner: a waiver for section 75 uh shore access so i think potable water is his last hurdle and and not an

[0:48:02] Planner: easy one for him to get over as i understand it and uh with his other one with uh mr crooks for

[0:48:09] Planner: that industrial piece i think he's still waiting on an environmental assessment report for mr crooks

[0:48:14] Planner: so i'm assuming that one will just flounder along and then we're just in the process of closing out

[0:48:19] Planner: mr pretz's application uh uh administratively so that one will be off your list all right

[0:48:30] Trustee Patrick: All right. We'll send you some over from Salt Spring.

[0:48:34] Trustee Patrick: It's not fair.

[0:48:35] Trustee Patrick: Okay. Any questions, trustees?

[0:48:38] Trustee Patrick: We'll move on.

[0:48:39] Trustee Patrick: Okay. We have the expense report here is primarily for your information.

[0:48:43] Trustee Patrick: And we have our standing resolutions.

[0:48:49] Trustee Patrick: We have there's a conservancy report here again for your information.

[0:48:53] Trustee Patrick: And then that brings us to the new business,

[0:48:56] Trustee Patrick: which we have the business license memo on page 63.

[0:49:04] Trustee Patrick: uh i guess i can introduce that because i'm the troublemaker that started all of this so

[0:49:10] Trustee Patrick: um this was a meeting we had back on may 6th of one of the trustees from each of the islands

[0:49:16] Trustee Patrick: and just talking about the other options as we're all working to manage the short-term vacation

[0:49:22] Trustee Patrick: rentals throughout our islands was there something we could look at as a region

[0:49:26] Trustee Patrick: and it was recommended that we request the crd to to look at business licenses as a tool to help

[0:49:33] Trustee Patrick: that hasn't been considered so um i don't know if either trustee wishes to modify the motion that

[0:49:41] Trustee Patrick: was used at uh south pender to bring that to the floor today or what you'd like to do trustees

[0:49:48] Trustee Patrick: well

[0:49:54] Voice 6: i can tell you that i'm already progressing it um at uh at crd and i have the support of the

[0:50:02] Voice 6: southern gulf islands director dave howe and so we're just uh putting it through the mill

[0:50:08] Voice 6: at the CRD it's they recognize that it's going to um it's going to require some work they're

[0:50:15] Voice 6: going to have to go to the province and seek uh seek the ability to do that and so we're just

[0:50:21] Voice 6: going to see I have to see how that flies we also understand it's going to probably require

[0:50:25] Voice 6: additional body a body anyway at at the CRD so it's in process I'm not sure I don't think we

[0:50:34] Voice 6: we need a motion to, because it's moving along.

[0:50:37] Trustee Patrick: Well, that's why I think the idea of the motions

[0:50:39] Trustee Patrick: was just to be, show that, you know,

[0:50:41] Trustee Patrick: we were nudging as the trust,

[0:50:43] Trustee Patrick: that the local trust committees were kind of in coordination

[0:50:47] Trustee Patrick: or not coordination, but it supported one another

[0:50:49] Trustee Patrick: on asking, making this ask.

[0:50:51] Voice 6: Let the minutes know that,

[0:50:53] Voice 6: show that Saturna Island is pushing, not nudging.

[0:50:57] Okay.

[0:51:02] Trustee Patrick: All right, any other questions?

[0:51:08] Trustee Patrick: Right, moving on then we have the second item

[0:51:10] Trustee Patrick: of new business is a draft for the annual report here this on page 64 are there any

[0:51:19] Trustee Patrick: suggestions or changes if not there's a suggested motion in the agenda so

[0:51:32] Voice 6: lee did we pass our

[0:51:35] Voice 6: standing resolutions i think we put that in our last annual report didn't we the fact that we

[0:51:41] Voice 6: we had the SRKW resolutions.

[0:51:45] Voice 6: We

[0:51:46] Trustee Middleton: did and maybe what I would suggest

[0:51:48] Trustee Middleton: rather than us kind of hack away at it now

[0:51:50] Trustee Middleton: is that those resolutions from the last annual report

[0:51:53] Trustee Middleton: or the reference to those resolutions

[0:51:55] Trustee Middleton: from the wording in the last annual report

[0:51:58] Trustee Middleton: simply be copied and added into paragraph two

[0:52:01] Trustee Middleton: of this draft report.

[0:52:11] Trustee Middleton: Because you're right, we did reference

[0:52:12] Trustee Middleton: reference the standing resolution in regard the uh the srkw recovery measures we might have we

[0:52:20] Trustee Middleton: might have referred to them collectively or the two standing reports individually i don't remember

[0:52:24] Trustee Middleton: but nothing has substantially changed uh we still have those resolutions and we've still

[0:52:30] Trustee Middleton: been engaged with the same partners so that same wording would be uh appropriate i'm sure

[0:52:35] Trustee Middleton: yeah

[0:52:36] Voice 6: and when you think about it the second paragraph is just continuing on with what we've

[0:52:40] Voice 6: been doing in the case of uh the ocp amendments from 2017 and uh the national parks reserve

[0:52:49] Voice 6: probably uh more like 2019 but certainly you know that that reserve was um was made in 2003 so

[0:52:58] Voice 6: yeah yeah

[0:53:02] Trustee Middleton: we did we i mean yeah i i think it's fine the way it's worded we don't necessarily

[0:53:09] Trustee Middleton: like i don't know the space to get into the rationale obviously we we didn't adjust the

[0:53:14] Trustee Middleton: zoning of the park reserve because of the issue around taxes payment in lieu of taxes that uh and

[0:53:19] Trustee Middleton: that took some years to resolve and is now resolved so so we've now so i think that's okay is that does

[0:53:25] Trustee Middleton: that uh um i ask our planner chair if that's okay to go back to last year's issue so to speak and

[0:53:33] Trustee Middleton: and insert those statements as the final sentence

[0:53:38] Trustee Middleton: on paragraph two.

[0:53:42] Planner: Wasn't completely following along there.

[0:53:45] Planner: Yeah,

[0:53:45] Trustee Patrick: so they're asking that the reference to the SRK,

[0:53:49] Trustee Patrick: okay, are we there from last year be added, repeated?

[0:53:54] Trustee Middleton: Yeah, so it would be basically,

[0:53:57] Trustee Patrick: yeah,

[0:53:58] Trustee Middleton: that's right, Chair.

[0:53:59] Trustee Middleton: Yeah, last year's entry in the last year's annual report

[0:54:04] Trustee Middleton: would have had wording referenced in the SRKW resolutions.

[0:54:09] Trustee Middleton: And that exact same wording can just be added

[0:54:11] Trustee Middleton: into the end of paragraph two on this draft wording here.

[0:54:14] Planner: Yep, that seems to make sense to me.

[0:54:18] Trustee Patrick: Okay, so do you want to attempt the motion

[0:54:22] Trustee Patrick: that's in the agenda package there from page two

[0:54:25] Trustee Patrick: with a reference to that addition of a language?

[0:54:31] Trustee Patrick: Under 15.2, there's a suggested resolution.

[0:54:39] Trustee Patrick: So can we just refer to it as amended, Brad, or do you need to have a motion to amend the language?

[0:54:46] Voice 6: I'm going to move that the Saterna Island

[0:54:48] Voice 6: Local Trust Committee approve the format and outline of the contents for the 2020 and 2021 annual report as amended.

[0:54:58] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, I think that works.

[0:55:00] Trustee Patrick: Okay. Is there a second?

[0:55:02] Trustee Patrick: Seconded by Trustee Middleton.

[0:55:05] Trustee Patrick: Is there any discussion?

[0:55:07] Trustee Patrick: Call the vote.

[0:55:08] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[0:55:08] Trustee Patrick: and that's carried so lauren there just needs to be a mention in the minutes that

[0:55:13] Trustee Patrick: of what we discussed about adding the

[0:55:16] Planner: language from last year

[0:55:17] Planner: so just to clarify it was the

[0:55:19] Planner: southern killer whales uh uh statement from the 2020 uh report that you just want carried over

[0:55:28] Planner: in the exact same wording

[0:55:29] Voice 6: yeah the annual report from last year yeah

[0:55:32] Planner: and uh sorry for my is it

[0:55:35] Planner: Claire that pulls that together um

[0:55:39] Trustee Middleton: I

[0:55:40] Planner: think so oh no

[0:55:41] Trustee Middleton: yeah I'll

[0:55:42] Planner: find out thank you yep I'll make

[0:55:45] Planner: I'll put that in the uh follow-up actions right now all

[0:55:49] Trustee Patrick: right any other discussion on that then

[0:55:51] Trustee Patrick: we'll move on to item 15.3 that was added uh education of new residents trustee Middleton

[0:55:58] Trustee Patrick: yeah

[0:55:59] Trustee Middleton: thank you um this was just a uh somebody noting that um there's quite a in all of the

[0:56:07] Trustee Middleton: the Gulf Islands, really, but of course, we're speaking to Saturna, there's a fair few new

[0:56:11] Trustee Middleton: residents. And the suspicion was, and we've heard this before, that people moved to the

[0:56:17] Trustee Middleton: Gulf Islands without necessarily any awareness of the island's trust, what it is and why it was

[0:56:23] Trustee Middleton: formed and what it's hoping to do, as a way of indicating that these islands have certainly

[0:56:29] Trustee Middleton: sensitivity around their carrying capacity of the ecosystems, and particularly groundwater.

[0:56:37] Trustee Middleton: Um, so I know the signs that the very used to be signed, they may still be there at the

[0:56:42] Trustee Middleton: various ferry terminals.

[0:56:44] Trustee Middleton: Uh, I know the trust has had pamphlets of some sort in the past that explain itself.

[0:56:50] Trustee Middleton: Um, they may be current, they may be perfectly adequate for this task.

[0:56:55] Trustee Middleton: I just haven't seen them recently and I don't know where they reside.

[0:56:59] Trustee Middleton: And, um, um, and that's the item really just to have a discussion about that.

[0:57:05] Trustee Middleton: There may be a perfectly good resource that already exists.

[0:57:07] Trustee Middleton: We just have to figure out how to get it to people.

[0:57:16] Voice 6: There's a newcomer package that's provided to all new residents that at least will agree to have their name shared by the real estate agents.

[0:57:26] Voice 6: I think it's run by Pat Hutchinson.

[0:57:29] Voice 6: I've been providing her a big booklet of, I think it's A Place in the Islands.

[0:57:35] Voice 6: It's quite a thick little book, about 40 pages long, about how to site your property and how to be a good person.

[0:57:41] Voice 6: And then there's also a brochure that was produced by Saterna Island Residents and Ratepayers Association in conjunction with the Islands Trust,

[0:57:52] Voice 6: specific to the use of the scarcity of groundwater and the conservation efforts that are requested from people.

[0:58:02] Voice 6: and those are also provided to um people that operate uh bed and breakfasts and legal short-term

[0:58:10] Voice 6: vacation

[0:58:10] Trustee Middleton: rentals okay um so that the newcomer package would um sorry would seem to be uh um

[0:58:26] Voice 2: would

[0:58:29] Trustee Middleton: seem to be um

[0:58:30] Voice 9: um

[0:58:31] Trustee Middleton: would fit the bill and i actually have i have two boxes of that um

[0:58:40] Trustee Middleton: place in the islands i think it's called and so um so we can you know put those into the kitty

[0:58:46] Trustee Middleton: so to speak so i think that addresses it from for for what the the correspondent was asking um

[0:58:53] Trustee Middleton: i i know some

[0:58:55] Voice 6: people would like to have new people that are moving to the islands uh brought in front

[0:59:00] Voice 6: front of a panel and give them a whip so that they can practice self-flagellation while we preach to

[0:59:08] Voice 6: all the important things that one must know when one is a new community member. I'm looking forward

[0:59:15] Voice 6: to being accepted as a longer term, you know, losing my newcomer status in 2026 when I will

[0:59:24] Voice 6: have been here for 30 years just

[0:59:28] Trustee Patrick: to let you know that the SWPA Salt Spring Island Watershed

[0:59:32] Trustee Patrick: Protection Alliance produced a know your well brochure that's electronically available on the

[0:59:38] Trustee Patrick: SWPA website it would be quite practical and good for anyone who has come from a urban area that has

[0:59:45] Trustee Patrick: never lived on a well before so it's just a short easy understanding and with some best practice

[0:59:50] Trustee Patrick: disinformation in there about owning a well or living on

[0:59:54] Voice 6: a well the other thing that this is

[0:59:56] Voice 6: it's a reality is um often

[1:00:00] Voice 6: the real estate agents will point to the trustees if prospective buyers have questions.

[1:00:07] Voice 6: And so I often take the opportunity to do my best to educate prospective buyers that if they do

[1:00:15] Voice 6: something bad to the environment, we're going to attack them with pitchforks and burning stakes.

[1:00:20] Voice 6: And that's exactly the terminology I use.

[1:00:24] Trustee Patrick: All right. Stay off Saturna. Okay.

[1:00:29] Trustee Patrick: no uh i preach i think you are a wonderful example of a strong well-knit community and

[1:00:35] Trustee Patrick: and i think newcomers are wise to learn that quickly that they're amongst friends

[1:00:43] Trustee Patrick: okay um any other on that then so i think that's uh wrapping us up to the next meeting is going to

[1:00:51] Trustee Patrick: to be on July 22nd it just seems wow hopefully hopefully we all go get our shots and can return

[1:01:01] Trustee Patrick: to some normalcy hopefully this summer I'd love to come to Saturna you

[1:01:06] Voice 6: you're not getting your

[1:01:07] Voice 6: shot because those of us that don't wear masks and haven't haven't had the shot we're going to

[1:01:13] Voice 6: to be the only one surviving.

[1:01:17] Trustee Patrick: Watch out, that'll get caught on.

[1:01:25] Trustee Patrick: Yes, the debates are entertaining, I guess you could say.

[1:01:29] Trustee Patrick: All right,

[1:01:30] Trustee Patrick: is there any other business today?

[1:01:34] Trustee Patrick: I noticed there's no one in attendance through this.

[1:01:37] Trustee Patrick: Again, I'll always repeat if anyone's listening

[1:01:39] Trustee Patrick: to this being live stream that our trustees

[1:01:42] Trustee Patrick: always wanna hear from you or you can send emails

[1:01:44] Trustee Patrick: to safeinfo at islandstrust.bc.ca.

[1:01:49] Trustee Patrick: So with that, if there's no further business,

[1:01:51] Trustee Patrick: I just need a motion to adjourn.

[1:01:53] Voice 6: I move adjournment.

[1:01:54] Voice 6: Hey, we're one hour.

[1:01:55] Voice 6: Pretty cool.

[1:01:56] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second?

[1:01:57] Voice 6: Seconded by Tristan Middleton.

[1:01:58] Trustee Patrick: All those in favor?

[1:02:00] Trustee Patrick: And we're adjourned.

[1:02:02] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[1:02:03] Trustee Middleton: Thanks, everyone.

[1:02:03] Trustee Middleton: Thanks, Lauren.

[1:02:04] Trustee Middleton: Thanks, Maple.

[1:02:05] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.

[1:02:05] Trustee Patrick: And Lee,

[1:02:06] Trustee Middleton: answer your phone.

[1:02:07] Trustee Middleton: Have a nice long weekend, everyone.

[1:02:09] Trustee Middleton: I know exactly

[1:02:09] Trustee Patrick: who this is.

[1:02:10] Trustee Patrick: Yes, thank you.

[1:02:10] Trustee Patrick: Bye.

[1:02:11] Trustee Patrick: Take care, everyone.

[1:02:11] Trustee Patrick: Bye-bye, everyone.

[1:02:12] Trustee Patrick: Thanks.

[1:02:12] Trustee Patrick: Thank you, Jared Patrick.

[1:02:13] Trustee Patrick: Thanks, Lauren.

[1:02:14] Trustee Patrick: Thank you.