Islands Trust Council regular meeting, June 8, 2021

[0:00:00] Voice 30: We're just waiting for a few additional trustees to get connected and sort out some technology

[0:00:06] Voice 30: problems. We will begin shortly. I've

[0:00:21] Voice 28: got 22 trustees. We've

[0:00:26] Voice 30: got possibly three there,

[0:00:29] Voice 30: so that'd be 25 plus me. Yeah, I think we're probably, Tahira comes on if you see her.

[0:00:40] Voice 32: I'll be

[0:00:42] Voice 32: ready to roll sign 7013.

[0:00:46] Voice 32: Oh,

[0:00:52] Trustee Fast: other fellow trustees while we're waiting

[0:00:53] Trustee Fast: and they're counting madly.

[0:01:03] Trustee Allen: Good afternoon.

[0:01:04] Trustee Allen: Hello.

[0:01:05] Trustee Allen: Hello, Sue Allen.

[0:01:07] Trustee Fast: Hello.

[0:01:11] Trustee Rogers: I'm not seeing, I'm not seeing longer eyes.

[0:01:14] Trustee Rogers: We do around the room introductions.

[0:01:16] Voice 30: Yeah.

[0:01:18] Voice 30: I'd like to get everybody here for the opening remarks.

[0:01:21] Voice 30: And

[0:01:21] Voice 28: I don't see McComb here.

[0:01:23] Voice 30: Okay, I think it says regrets today.

[0:01:27] Voice 29: Yeah.

[0:01:28] Voice 29: so it's mostly to hear a rock and

[0:01:34] Trustee Rogers: i'm not seeing case longer eyes either it's regret

[0:01:40] Trustee Rogers: mcconkie has regrets and thorn oh thank

[0:01:46] Trustee Rogers: you dan no thorn

[0:01:48] Voice 32: he's absent and i'm gonna start them

[0:02:15] Voice 32: all right i

[0:02:18] Voice 30: think uh good afternoon everyone we're at one oh sorry we are at 103 so i uh i

[0:02:28] Voice 30: I think I will begin.

[0:02:30] Voice 30: My apologies for those that are having technology challenges,

[0:02:37] Voice 30: but I think with 22, 23 trustees with us so far,

[0:02:42] Voice 30: I think we'll start.

[0:02:46] Voice 30: My name is Peter Luckham.

[0:02:49] Voice 30: I'm the chair of Islands Trust Council,

[0:02:50] Voice 30: and I want to welcome everyone that's trustees

[0:02:53] Voice 30: and members of the public that have joined us today,

[0:02:56] Voice 30: both as attendees and viewing the live streaming.

[0:03:06] Voice 30: As we begin Trust Council,

[0:03:12] Voice 30: I'm just gonna stand if you don't mind out of respect.

[0:03:17] Voice 30: As we begin Trust Council,

[0:03:19] Voice 30: I'd like to acknowledge that we are gathering today

[0:03:22] Voice 30: across the treaty and territorial lands and waters

[0:03:25] Voice 30: of the Coast Salish peoples.

[0:03:26] Voice 30: And I would like to take a moment

[0:03:31] Voice 30: to acknowledge the residential school survivors

[0:03:34] Voice 30: and their loved ones at this time.

[0:03:38] Voice 30: On May the 27th, we learned that about the 215 lost children

[0:03:45] Voice 30: found at the Tecumseh Sequapum Residential School.

[0:03:58] Voice 30: On behalf of the Trust Council,

[0:04:01] Voice 30: I would like to extend our condolences to the survivors,

[0:04:04] Voice 30: families, and communities.

[0:04:08] Voice 30: Trust Council renews our commitment to the truth and reconciliation calls to action and to the

[0:04:14] Voice 30: important work each one of us must undertake to learn about the history and legacy of residential schools.

[0:04:23] Voice 30: I have removed my mask just now. I actually asked the permission of the staff as a symbolic action that I can't stand behind a mask, knowing what I know, what we all know.

[0:04:39] Voice 30: The incredible loss and the truth of this loss to the many families and nations across this country is beyond measure.

[0:04:55] Voice 30: The grief is shared by all of us, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Canadians across the country.

[0:05:12] Voice 30: There's very little that I can say that hasn't been said by so many in such touching and important words.

[0:05:21] Voice 30: But what I would like to do is I would like to take 215 seconds of your time today in this meeting, that's three and a half minutes, as a moment of silence to acknowledge those loved ones, those spirits, those children that are so missed and so loved at this time.

[0:05:48] Voice 30: So if you please join me in that 215 seconds of silence.

[0:05:55] Voice 30: Thank you, Council, for standing with me in support of the Tecumelips,

[0:09:43] Voice 30: the Tkrumplum, and the many other nations of this country.

[0:09:47] Voice 30: Let us begin our work here today.

[0:09:55] Voice 30: So with your permission, before we adopt the agenda,

[0:10:01] Voice 30: I would like to provide an opportunity for Lisa Wilcox,

[0:10:08] Voice 30: to speak um on the activities that have been uh that she has been undertaking um

[0:10:15] Voice 30: on this matter Lisa Wilcox thank you very much

[0:10:20] Voice 2: chair um just a short update and just wanting

[0:10:27] Voice 2: to thank each and every one of you for all the work that you have been undertaking um

[0:10:32] Voice 2: with reconciliation and the adoption of the TRC calls to action over the last two years.

[0:10:40] Voice 2: It's just such important work and for all of the time that you've taken to do training

[0:10:46] Voice 2: and learn about the history and legacy of residential school it's so important and

[0:10:52] Voice 2: hold my hands up and thank each and every one of you for that important work that was undertaken.

[0:10:56] Voice 2: and we have been just on a personal note I've been working to present a petition to the House

[0:11:05] Voice 2: of Commons and we have over 225,000 signatures now with comments from both survivors and their

[0:11:14] Voice 2: families and Canadians all across the coast expressing their feelings about the news

[0:11:24] Voice 2: who's about the 215 lost children.

[0:11:27] Voice 2: And so just wanted to provide you with that update about the petition

[0:11:33] Voice 2: and that hopefully it will be presented to the HOSA Commons.

[0:11:38] Voice 2: It was supported today by Arif Farhani,

[0:11:43] Voice 2: who is the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Justice.

[0:11:47] Voice 2: And also our chairman, Peter Luckham, was supporting of the petition as well.

[0:11:54] Voice 2: Just really pleased with that, and thank you so much, Ossian.

[0:12:02] Voice 30: Thank you.

[0:12:04] Voice 30: So let us turn our minds to the approval of the agenda.

[0:12:10] Voice 30: I just want to advise you that there were a couple of items that have come late.

[0:12:16] Voice 30: I apologize for that.

[0:12:18] Voice 30: But 4.2 is the discussion and decision item,

[0:12:23] Voice 30: which is the amendments to the Trust Council Policy 2.3.1,

[0:12:27] Voice 30: Council Committee Systems, that's a request for decision.

[0:12:31] Voice 30: You should have received that by email.

[0:12:34] Voice 30: There was also a number of additional pieces

[0:12:37] Voice 30: of correspondence that have been added

[0:12:41] Voice 30: to the existing correspondence in section 15 of your agenda.

[0:12:47] Voice 30: And out of respect for those writers,

[0:12:49] Voice 30: I'm just gonna brief, just quickly run through the names

[0:12:52] Voice 30: because they're not part of the agenda

[0:12:55] Voice 30: that was published earlier.

[0:12:56] Voice 30: but a letter from MP Manley

[0:12:59] Voice 30: and support of the freighter anchorages issue.

[0:13:05] Voice 30: M Green presentation on the findings of vessels,

[0:13:08] Voice 30: drift and response analysis of Minister Conroy,

[0:13:13] Voice 30: modernizing the forest policy.

[0:13:15] Voice 30: And A Yardley regarding the policy statement.

[0:13:19] Voice 30: J Lang regarding the policy statement.

[0:13:22] Voice 30: J Margason also regarding the policy statement.

[0:13:27] Voice 30: jay henshaw regarding the policy statement and uh al paulier also regarding not removing

[0:13:39] Voice 30: environment from the protected status so those are additional pieces of materials

[0:13:45] Voice 30: that we have on our agenda for today and before i move to adopting the agenda i'm going to ask

[0:13:53] Voice 30: is there any other uh business that trustees would like to add to the agenda for discussion

[0:14:00] Voice 30: over the next three days and if i can get a show of hands on that let me just get to my screen

[0:14:10] Voice 30: apologize

[0:14:13] Voice 29: participants

[0:14:16] Voice 30: all right so a i'm not seeing any hands raised for any additional items

[0:14:25] Voice 30: to be added to the agenda all right then so then without any further items being requested to be

[0:14:34] Voice 30: applied then i'm going to adopt the agenda as amended with the items that came late

[0:14:40] Voice 30: by general consent and i thank you very much so um as you know we've adopted this method of consent

[0:14:55] Voice 30: agenda items for those items that there isn't a necessity for any discussion and of course we will

[0:15:01] Voice 30: pull any items that you wish to discuss from the general consent agenda if necessary and so under

[0:15:10] Voice 30: general business arising under 3.1 we presently have two items for general consent which is the

[0:15:19] Voice 30: the March Trust Council meeting minutes

[0:15:22] Voice 30: and the resolution without meetings,

[0:15:25] Voice 30: which is normally for information.

[0:15:27] Voice 30: So is there anybody that wishes

[0:15:29] Voice 30: to pull either of those items from the general consent?

[0:15:35] Voice 30: I've got a digital show of hands.

[0:15:39] Voice 30: I'm not seeing any.

[0:15:41] Voice 30: So then by general consent,

[0:15:44] Voice 30: have the minutes of March Trust Council be adopted

[0:15:49] Voice 30: and the resolution without meeting

[0:15:50] Voice 30: received for information.

[0:15:53] Voice 30: Those items are 3.11 and 3.12.

[0:15:57] Voice 30: So now we're going to move into a discussion on 3.2,

[0:16:02] Voice 30: which is our trustee round table.

[0:16:05] Voice 30: As you know, we've sometimes brought topics for discussion

[0:16:08] Voice 30: and other times have not.

[0:16:10] Voice 30: And this is one of those occasions when each of you

[0:16:14] Voice 30: will have an opportunity to speak to something

[0:16:16] Voice 30: that's on your mind,

[0:16:17] Voice 30: and respecting his trust work or local trust committee work.

[0:16:23] Voice 30: And, you know, we normally sort of ask to keep that to about two minutes.

[0:16:28] Voice 30: And, you know, I try to be generous with the time.

[0:16:31] Voice 30: And some trustees say less and some trustees want to say more.

[0:16:35] Voice 30: And I want to respect that.

[0:16:37] Voice 30: I think what's really important in our meetings

[0:16:39] Voice 30: that we have the opportunity to speak and have discussion.

[0:16:42] Voice 30: discussion. And so let us begin. And by way of introduction, I apologize for not doing that

[0:16:54] Voice 30: right at the outset. I'm going to use my list here and I will introduce each one of you and

[0:17:03] Voice 30: provide regrets for those that are not here and provide you the opportunity to speak to issues

[0:17:09] Voice 30: in your local area.

[0:17:12] Voice 30: And I'm gonna, I apologize.

[0:17:14] Voice 30: I'm gonna go in alphabetical order today to start with.

[0:17:18] Voice 30: We might mix that up a little bit

[0:17:20] Voice 30: as we go through the three days that we're here together.

[0:17:24] Voice 30: But Alex Allen, Hornby Island.

[0:17:32] Trustee Allen: Hello everyone.

[0:17:34] Trustee Allen: I thought I'd share with you,

[0:17:35] Trustee Allen: we had a group of community,

[0:17:38] Trustee Allen: a COVID community conversation that was a collaboration

[0:17:41] Trustee Allen: between this group called News Stories

[0:17:43] Trustee Allen: in the Comox Valley Community Health Network.

[0:17:47] Trustee Allen: So it was a schedule for March 28th

[0:17:50] Trustee Allen: and we had a power outage.

[0:17:51] Trustee Allen: And so then we rescheduled it to April 11th.

[0:17:53] Trustee Allen: And essentially, it's just basically discussing

[0:17:56] Trustee Allen: the experiences and impacts we had

[0:17:58] Trustee Allen: with COVID on Hornby Island.

[0:18:01] Trustee Allen: And interesting enough,

[0:18:04] Trustee Allen: we definitely wanted to increase use of Zoom

[0:18:07] Trustee Allen: for many people.

[0:18:09] Trustee Allen: It got way more people involved,

[0:18:11] Trustee Allen: especially in terms of rate payers meetings

[0:18:13] Trustee Allen: meetings because this was hosted essentially with our rape parents meeting group

[0:18:16] Voice 33: um

[0:18:17] Trustee Allen: and then uh

[0:18:21] Trustee Allen: so basically they had we had little they had we had little uh discussion groups and then um

[0:18:26] Trustee Allen: recommended actions and uh i won't go into all the details but basically you know to come up with a

[0:18:32] Trustee Allen: community health and resilience plan and um some sort of get the culture appreciation because so

[0:18:39] Trustee Allen: many people have missed like going to theaters and art shows i'm sure you're all feeling that

[0:18:44] Trustee Allen: missing segment of your life as well um interesting enough um housing sustainable

[0:18:50] Trustee Allen: water food security climate change and reconciliation were all identified as key

[0:18:55] Trustee Allen: issues throughout all this um and in terms of what we could do uh well housing affordability tups

[0:19:06] Trustee Allen: for two dwellings or more on a property um basically asked us to modernize islands trust

[0:19:12] Trustee Allen: trust mindset about balancing the environment with development,

[0:19:16] Trustee Allen: if that's ever possible.

[0:19:18] Trustee Allen: And tourism, which is a continually flashpoint on Hornby Island.

[0:19:24] Trustee Allen: There's a battle because of too many.

[0:19:27] Trustee Allen: We're going to be looking at our carrying capacity,

[0:19:29] Trustee Allen: whether we should have even a cap on vacation rentals.

[0:19:35] Trustee Allen: So it's going to be interesting to see what plays out this summer

[0:19:39] Trustee Allen: with COVID slightly unwrapping, but not really.

[0:19:42] Trustee Allen: What else?

[0:19:43] Trustee Allen: We're going to definitely look at the seasonal housing that's been explored on Euclid for Hornby Island because we do have a lack of housing for many workers in our seasonal tourist jobs.

[0:19:58] Trustee Allen: And I don't know whether your community has it, but we have a real divide on our social network, our Facebook site.

[0:20:05] Trustee Allen: it's uh it's really it can be very antagonistic and very conflicting and lots of people talking

[0:20:11] Trustee Allen: about shutting it down or or hosting a totally separate place a zoom a nice safe place to meet

[0:20:19] Trustee Allen: and just discuss things that are discussed on the internet all the time because there's a lot of um

[0:20:24] Trustee Allen: bad discussions on facebook and uh basically yeah and the last basically sent us off with uh

[0:20:32] Trustee Allen: when you're facing face divisiveness with compassion and curiosity so that's my report

[0:20:39] Trustee Allen: thank you thank you very much

[0:20:41] Voice 30: trustee allen um i'll just note um that i will do introductions

[0:20:46] Voice 30: of staff uh after we've gone through the round table here i apologize for not reading that in

[0:20:50] Voice 30: advance but let's keep this going and paul brent saturn island good afternoon

[0:20:56] Voice 11: good afternoon i'd

[0:20:59] Voice 11: I'd say everything is pretty positive on Saturna Island.

[0:21:04] Voice 11: We're getting our second shots on June 17th.

[0:21:10] Voice 11: And, you know, there's a real positive vibe on this island.

[0:21:15] Voice 11: We've had a lot of turnover of real estate.

[0:21:18] Voice 11: And from what I'm seeing, a lot of the people that are buying that kind of real estate are very appreciative of the culture of our island.

[0:21:26] Voice 11: I was out along with others delivering welcome kits and yeah I think it's going to be a very

[0:21:34] Voice 11: positive summer there is going to be likely a lot of tourism and I know a lot of people on

[0:21:41] Voice 11: this island have decided rather than try to scare these people away we're going to welcome them and

[0:21:48] Voice 11: educate them and embrace the fact that we're preserving and protecting these islands not

[0:21:54] Voice 11: not only for residents, but for all British Columbians generally.

[0:21:58] Voice 11: So, yeah, we're going to get some visitors

[0:22:00] Voice 11: and we're going to try to focus on education

[0:22:05] Voice 11: and welcoming these people.

[0:22:07] Voice 11: That's it for me, Ashorti.

[0:22:10] Voice 30: And thank you very much for that positive message at all.

[0:22:13] Voice 30: That's great.

[0:22:14] Voice 30: Laura Beshaken, Denman Isles.

[0:22:28] Trustee Busheikin: You would think I would get it right after more than a year of practice.

[0:22:32] Trustee Busheikin: Sorry about that.

[0:22:33] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah. So I'd say the biggest news in terms of the local trust committee on 10 minutes that we did give third reading to affordable housing rezoning applications actually affordable seniors housing you guys have been hearing about it regularly moving slowly.

[0:22:50] Trustee Busheikin: slowly it was a very very complicated um project incredibly complicated it was in the alr and the

[0:22:58] Trustee Busheikin: driveway wasn't even attached to the property and um there was had to it was on there was a deal with

[0:23:05] Trustee Busheikin: a landowner and it had many many layers and many complexities but that's just awaiting a final

[0:23:12] Trustee Busheikin: sign off at the ministry so that's a really great thing for the community and for uh for denman and

[0:23:18] Trustee Busheikin: and I think for the LTC to have achieved that.

[0:23:21] Trustee Busheikin: We currently still aren't managing

[0:23:23] Trustee Busheikin: to make any headway on LTC projects.

[0:23:28] Trustee Busheikin: I'm hoping that might change by the end of the term.

[0:23:31] Trustee Busheikin: And otherwise, in terms of the community,

[0:23:34] Trustee Busheikin: we held a vigil last week for the 215 children,

[0:23:42] Trustee Busheikin: which was a really moving event.

[0:23:43] Trustee Busheikin: And we're grateful to Chief Rempel

[0:23:47] Trustee Busheikin: from the Comox Nation for attending that.

[0:23:49] Trustee Busheikin: I think it was her third vigil that week.

[0:23:52] Trustee Busheikin: So pretty intense times for her, like so many people.

[0:24:00] Trustee Busheikin: And just another thing that's not to do with the trust,

[0:24:02] Trustee Busheikin: but worth mentioning is that our new preschool opened

[0:24:06] Trustee Busheikin: with major federal and provincial funding,

[0:24:10] Trustee Busheikin: which is, I think, a really significant thing for our community.

[0:24:12] Trustee Busheikin: I think most of us here have that question,

[0:24:15] Trustee Busheikin: in our communities of how do we retain young families and we've got a spanking new beautiful

[0:24:22] Trustee Busheikin: that's probably not the right word he's connected to children a brand new preschool so that's

[0:24:28] Trustee Busheikin: another really good thing for the community and I think people are gradually looking towards

[0:24:33] Trustee Busheikin: of course the real thing of all the things we love about culture and meeting and working together

[0:24:39] Trustee Busheikin: together and um that's uh that's me I'm done thank

[0:24:45] Voice 30: you very much uh thank you let us go to

[0:24:50] Voice 30: trustee Scott Coburn on Gabriel hello

[0:24:54] Trustee Colbourne: um thank you I'm at Will Sumi Letson which is closer together

[0:24:58] Trustee Colbourne: or Twin Beaches um on Gabriel Island I hope I don't go over time here but um yeah it's uh I

[0:25:08] Trustee Colbourne: I won't provide much of a community update.

[0:25:10] Trustee Colbourne: There's been some events and I kind of echo

[0:25:13] Trustee Colbourne: some of the things that Trustee Allen said

[0:25:15] Trustee Colbourne: about the tone of the conversation.

[0:25:16] Trustee Colbourne: And I'm hoping to have a more collaborative

[0:25:20] Trustee Colbourne: and inclusive discussion about all this stuff.

[0:25:23] Trustee Colbourne: I consider it my mandate to create a safe

[0:25:25] Trustee Colbourne: and respectful space to engage, heal, and listen

[0:25:27] Trustee Colbourne: in support of Indigenous resurgence

[0:25:28] Trustee Colbourne: and relationship building with First Nations.

[0:25:30] Trustee Colbourne: And I'm really humbled and grateful

[0:25:31] Trustee Colbourne: to Sunaimuk Chief Mike Wise and Councillor Aaron Thomas

[0:25:34] Trustee Colbourne: and the nation and elders for the opportunities

[0:25:36] Trustee Colbourne: to regulate connect and do that work together in good ways and thank you to senior governmental

[0:25:41] Trustee Colbourne: policy advisor lisa wilcox for the support and learning um two reports from last trust council

[0:25:45] Trustee Colbourne: including um that lisa did um with with staff support as well including the section titled

[0:25:51] Trustee Colbourne: truth proceeds reconciliation it's my plan after i've done this remarks to throw some links into

[0:25:56] Trustee Colbourne: the chat of course you can save chats everybody very useful in zoom times um um so those two

[0:26:01] Trustee Colbourne: reports i've been sharing with the community and will continue to do so and i've continued to learn

[0:26:06] Trustee Colbourne: a lot. Gabriel Housing Society, their application for 24 units of multi-family homes is not selected

[0:26:12] Trustee Colbourne: in this round of BC Housing funding. Volunteers put out a release saying they are disappointed

[0:26:16] Trustee Colbourne: but undeterred and planning of the project shovel ready when the next window opens.

[0:26:20] Trustee Colbourne: 21 of the 47 projects that receive funding from BC Housing were Indigenous led or partnerships.

[0:26:26] Trustee Colbourne: Really interesting to kind of go through some of the funding streams and how they work. Rapid

[0:26:32] Trustee Colbourne: rapid response to homelessness, community housing fund, indigenous housing fund, supportive housing

[0:26:36] Trustee Colbourne: fund, and women's transition housing fund. On that last one, an update from the Gabriel Health and

[0:26:41] Trustee Colbourne: Wellness Collaborative, which is repped from almost 35 island organizations. We learned that the

[0:26:46] Trustee Colbourne: previously informal community-based response to women escaping violence has broken down, and one

[0:26:50] Trustee Colbourne: volunteer was no longer able to provide a safe space, so there was a commitment to find solutions

[0:26:54] Trustee Colbourne: within that group. The Gabriel LTC project for active transportation project scoping, the ferry

[0:27:01] Trustee Colbourne: to village safe pathway for all ages and abilities that's been direct awarded to consultant professor

[0:27:05] Trustee Colbourne: pam shaw and the vancouver island university planning department which also worked on the

[0:27:09] Trustee Colbourne: village vision project an offshoot of sustainable gabriola so letting connect the ferry terminal to

[0:27:14] Trustee Colbourne: the village and the new pathway which is an rdn modi collaborative project that is now built and

[0:27:20] Trustee Colbourne: completed that runs about a kilometer through the village uh trees for tomorrow thanks to grant scott

[0:27:27] Trustee Colbourne: for starting this program the gabriela chapter and coordinator simone levec report that 1080

[0:27:31] Trustee Colbourne: trees were planted on the island in the first spring of operation and she's partnered the

[0:27:35] Trustee Colbourne: gabriel land and trails trust in their new nature stewards program so reforestation restoration

[0:27:40] Trustee Colbourne: community education keystones are both initiatives and i'm so grateful for the work um some of the

[0:27:46] Trustee Colbourne: webinars i've taken part of really come out of that last statement i really want to recommend

[0:27:50] Trustee Colbourne: that everybody take a look at the salish sea institute and the state of the salish sea

[0:27:54] Trustee Colbourne: it introduced me to things like ocean sprawl it's 153 pages um i want to read out one of

[0:28:01] Trustee Colbourne: the recommendations for for um for the salish sea and the islands embrace multiple ways of

[0:28:07] Trustee Colbourne: knowing and connecting to the salish sea apply social ecological system science recognize

[0:28:12] Trustee Colbourne: indigenous knowledge systems build knowledge relationships and connection through place

[0:28:16] Trustee Colbourne: place-based learning um it's a it's it's a collaborative with western washington university

[0:28:20] Trustee Colbourne: and many other Canadian-based scientists, researchers, and community members.

[0:28:26] Trustee Colbourne: Reconciling Ways of Knowing Dialogue Series, I'll put a link to that,

[0:28:29] Trustee Colbourne: talking about the relative immaturity of Western systems of local planning

[0:28:32] Trustee Colbourne: compared to being on the lands and waters since time immemorial.

[0:28:35] Trustee Colbourne: Land use planning becoming land relationship planning.

[0:28:37] Trustee Colbourne: It's a 10-part series.

[0:28:39] Trustee Colbourne: There's one going on in half an hour that features David Suzuki.

[0:28:42] Trustee Colbourne: I've learned so much from that, including participants from Dene,

[0:28:46] Trustee Colbourne: a councillor, Haida Gwaii, how they're preserving and protecting.

[0:28:51] Trustee Colbourne: And finally, from the Climate Caucus meetings

[0:28:54] Trustee Colbourne: with local elected officials from across the country,

[0:28:57] Trustee Colbourne: Farmers for Climate Solutions, which is small-scale, organic,

[0:29:00] Trustee Colbourne: rural, connected solutions, they are now organizing,

[0:29:06] Trustee Colbourne: and I'll put the link to them as well,

[0:29:07] Trustee Colbourne: really useful stuff for small rural communities

[0:29:10] Trustee Colbourne: looking at small-scale and low-impact food security.

[0:29:13] Trustee Colbourne: charity. Sorry for going over time. Thanks, everybody.

[0:29:18] Trustee Colbourne: Thank

[0:29:18] Voice 30: you, Trustee Colburn. David Critchley, Denman Island.

[0:29:24] Trustee Critchley: Yes, thank you very much. I'll just mention a couple of things.

[0:29:28] Trustee Critchley: One, I received a notice from our local association for

[0:29:32] Trustee Critchley: Denman Island Marine Stewards, notifying of, reminding

[0:29:36] Trustee Critchley: of Ocean's Day, which is a

[0:29:40] Trustee Critchley: great thing to be aware of when we're having a Trust Council meeting.

[0:29:43] Trustee Critchley: meeting and to also mention a link that can be found on their website uh under news there's a

[0:29:53] Trustee Critchley: link to Oceana Canada's petition asking the federal government to put wild fish first when

[0:30:00] Trustee Critchley: building a blue economy so that's something that you may wish to check out the other thing i'd like

[0:30:05] Trustee Critchley: to mention um is a personal thing but it's also i think has some trust wide uh connection and that

[0:30:14] Trustee Critchley: is uh to note the passage the passing of dr hamish kimmons a retired professor of forestry from

[0:30:26] Trustee Critchley: University of British Columbia. He was a very special person, a good friend to me for over 22

[0:30:32] Trustee Critchley: years. He was one of those modest people that you didn't know much about unless you asked.

[0:30:39] Trustee Critchley: And it turned out that he was a leading environmentalist in forest ecology

[0:30:47] Trustee Critchley: in the infancy of that academic study. He was a pioneer in computer modeling

[0:30:54] Trustee Critchley: modeling and those models are used throughout the world. He traveled the world extensively

[0:31:00] Trustee Critchley: and consulted to governments all over. He was a member of the UNESCO World Commission

[0:31:08] Trustee Critchley: on Ethics of Scientific Knowledge and Technology. He went on and on with the accolades and yet you

[0:31:18] Trustee Critchley: wouldn't know it he was also notably to connect with our indigenous uh relationships if you recall

[0:31:29] Trustee Critchley: in our studies we've been advised about the silkatine decision probably the most important

[0:31:38] Trustee Critchley: aboriginal law case in canadian history and i only found out later following hamish's death

[0:31:45] Trustee Critchley: death from a friend that Hamish was actually an expert witness on that case. And although the

[0:31:53] Trustee Critchley: judgment's over 400 pages long, there are about four pages devoted to his testimony. And the

[0:32:02] Trustee Critchley: judge noted that he found his evidence most candid and very helpful in the resolution of the case.

[0:32:11] Trustee Critchley: So there passes another notable citizen of our trust area. Thank you for the opportunity to

[0:32:22] Trustee Critchley: share this with you.

[0:32:26] Voice 30: Thank you, Trustee Critchley. I'm going to go now to Janine Dodge. Is she with

[0:32:36] Voice 30: us at the moment? No. So Janine will be joining us in and out over the three days, I think is

[0:32:47] Voice 30: my understanding so i'm going to go to trustee and counselor sue ellen fast hi

[0:32:56] Trustee Fast: everybody um

[0:32:57] Trustee Fast: i'm coming to you from and grateful to come to you from bowen island also known as nuclelequem

[0:33:03] Trustee Fast: or colacum and how sound so we're part of the metro vancouver regional district and of the

[0:33:09] Trustee Fast: islands trust of course i'm um just going to give you a few bits and pieces about bowen island and

[0:33:14] Trustee Fast: And then I'm sure my colleague, Michael Kael, will fill in any gaps.

[0:33:18] Trustee Fast: But recently, we've come as a Bowen Island Council of seven people.

[0:33:24] Trustee Fast: We've adopted an equity, diversity and inclusion policy.

[0:33:29] Trustee Fast: So that's probably where we'll be coming to reconciliation through that kind of portal.

[0:33:36] Trustee Fast: That's just for municipal staff and municipal relationships and working together.

[0:33:42] Trustee Fast: other. We also adopted our island plan a little bit late, but it's our sort of strategic plan for

[0:33:52] Trustee Fast: the year because we've got a relatively new CAO, Liam, and so we're kind of re-getting all our

[0:34:02] Trustee Fast: plans in shape. It's kind of a tumultuous time on Bowen, but not as bad as the last few years.

[0:34:10] Trustee Fast: what i mean by this is there's been a lot of tree clearing and things for projects

[0:34:14] Trustee Fast: so we're building a fire hall we're um receiving grants for um a community center where more trees

[0:34:23] Trustee Fast: will come down and we're uh uh paving our first section of our um multi-use pathway which is great

[0:34:32] Trustee Fast: it's like a cycle trail and it'll go across the island this is sort of phase one and um uh tourism

[0:34:38] Trustee Fast: Center opened, fairly quiet so far. Development variance permits on waterfront homes, lots of

[0:34:46] Trustee Fast: those. And I wanted to mention one of our big farm properties, long standing producing farms

[0:34:54] Trustee Fast: on Bowen is in the process of changing hands. Those might know it as Enswell Farm. And so we're

[0:35:01] Trustee Fast: all curious and well, I don't know if all of us are, but I'm curious about how that will turn out.

[0:35:09] Trustee Fast: So that's a little bit of news from Bowen Island. Thanks, everybody. Looking forward to working with you in the meeting.

[0:35:15] Voice 30: Thank you, Trustee Councillor Sewell and Fass.

[0:35:20] Voice 30: Going next to Trustee Fenton, Thedas Island.

[0:35:26] Trustee Fenton: Hi, and welcome. Thank you for the opportunity.

[0:35:31] Trustee Fenton: And I live, I'm gratefully humbled to live and work on Thedas.

[0:35:39] Trustee Fenton: the traditional territories of the Laiaks and the Penelope peoples

[0:35:43] Trustee Fenton: and across and adjacent from the Valdez

[0:35:47] Trustee Fenton: and the north end of Galliano. As an LTC we've

[0:35:51] Trustee Fenton: had a couple of sort of interesting

[0:35:54] Trustee Fenton: projects. One that just came to fruition which was our first

[0:35:58] Trustee Fenton: passing of our first war bylaw. It sits before

[0:36:03] Trustee Fenton: Victoria for its final blessing.

[0:36:07] Trustee Fenton: With that, I was not around for the first few chapters of that journey, but Trustee

[0:36:15] Trustee Fenton: Luckham was, but that is now many, many years to be brought to fruition, so that's now done.

[0:36:22] Trustee Fenton: We are now entering into the opportunity of looking at our next major project, which will

[0:36:28] Trustee Fenton: be the Marine Coastal Shoreline Protection, and that's going to be an interesting project

[0:36:36] Trustee Fenton: in the sense that it's gonna be sort of our first embarking

[0:36:40] Trustee Fenton: on that new approach, a new sort of paradigms of engagement.

[0:36:45] Trustee Fenton: So to where the two First Nations communities,

[0:36:49] Trustee Fenton: maybe others will be part of the project in some fashion

[0:36:54] Trustee Fenton: that involves the ideas phase,

[0:36:57] Trustee Fenton: not just the end referrals phase.

[0:37:00] Trustee Fenton: So how we get there, we'll let you know when we get there,

[0:37:03] Trustee Fenton: but that's exciting to actually be at that point in time from the community's perspective

[0:37:09] Trustee Fenton: i've been involved a little bit with the fetus island nature conservancy

[0:37:14] Trustee Fenton: um the uh again the board has hired a an education coordinator for second year

[0:37:21] Trustee Fenton: um to run a sustainability and regenerative um approaches workshops um last year they had a group

[0:37:30] Trustee Fenton: kids that were on island for a bunch of university students that were on island to work on different

[0:37:37] Trustee Fenton: projects throughout the island this year similar format they're like six-week cohorts and so

[0:37:42] Trustee Fenton: they're not university grads or about to be graduating there but there's more sort of high

[0:37:48] Trustee Fenton: school college um levels um entries and they're here for six-week cohorts and the first of them

[0:37:56] Trustee Fenton: has just finished um there's a very interesting group and they uh but they're working and learning

[0:38:02] Trustee Fenton: about regenerative and sustainable means of living within the gulf islands and they um they have

[0:38:08] Trustee Fenton: projects pitched at them by the locals and then they take on or select one or two projects and

[0:38:15] Trustee Fenton: take them on and uh you know bring them to fruition within their time on the island uh

[0:38:21] Trustee Fenton: engaging a number of different islanders and local resource people a lot of fun was had a

[0:38:27] Trustee Fenton: lot was learned by uh by them as well as those involved working with them on these projects um

[0:38:36] Trustee Fenton: yesterday on my ferry ride back over to these i bumped into our co-captain of the tribal canoe

[0:38:43] Trustee Fenton: from penelicate and uh jenny sylvester and uh she was very excited to see us and that um it's been

[0:38:52] Trustee Fenton: a long time with the covet sort of um blanket of separation uh but she was mentioning that she'd

[0:39:02] Trustee Fenton: actually had the kids from their elementary school out in the tribal canoe um practicing hoping to

[0:39:08] Trustee Fenton: make it shamanist for ice cream cones as a reward. It's a long paddle but they've got their

[0:39:16] Trustee Fenton: principal interested and so we'll see. She says they've got a bit of work to go on their stroke

[0:39:20] Trustee Fenton: before they can get that far but hopefully there'll be future tribal journey participants.

[0:39:29] Trustee Fenton: And I'll leave it there. Thank you.

[0:39:33] Voice 30: Thank you, Trustee Fenton.

[0:39:38] Voice 30: Thank

[0:39:40] Trustee Grove: you so much, and thank you, Peter Lackham, for your introduction.

[0:39:48] Trustee Grove: It's a terrible blow to all of us.

[0:39:51] Trustee Grove: A friend of mine said something which really resonated with me and which I have adopted,

[0:39:57] Trustee Grove: And that's very simply, this changes everything, which for me, it certainly has.

[0:40:06] Trustee Grove: Fairy Creek, many of us from this island are standing in solidarity with those who are protesting the logging of old forests and hoping that some kind of accommodation can be reached there.

[0:40:23] Trustee Grove: um the uh blow to our community on the island has was the winds of plywood fire um they employ

[0:40:34] Trustee Grove: directly and indirectly a very large number of people on this island and um it was uh

[0:40:41] Trustee Grove: sudden and unexpected of course what is remarkable is the way they have recovered and are recovering

[0:40:48] Trustee Grove: They are an example to us all as to resiliency and how to go about dealing with a disaster.

[0:40:56] Trustee Grove: It's impressive what they have done and are doing.

[0:40:59] Trustee Grove: In terms of our LTC, we've put together two task forces for our major projects, the Ganges

[0:41:07] Trustee Grove: Village Planning and our housing group.

[0:41:10] Trustee Grove: and they are made up of exceptional people

[0:41:14] Trustee Grove: who are diving in with enthusiasm

[0:41:18] Trustee Grove: and we look forward to seeing good things.

[0:41:21] Trustee Grove: Thank you.

[0:41:22] Voice 30: Thank you, Peter.

[0:41:25] Voice 30: Peter Johnson, Laskitiata.

[0:41:33] Trustee Johnston: I think many of us here are quite discombobulated

[0:41:37] Trustee Johnston: through all kinds of things,

[0:41:39] Trustee Johnston: including the pandemic that's been going on so long.

[0:41:42] Trustee Johnston: And we're very much looking forward to,

[0:41:45] Trustee Johnston: I hope, a return to something more like normal.

[0:41:49] Trustee Johnston: It looks promising.

[0:41:51] Trustee Johnston: We're going to get our second set of injections here on the island,

[0:41:55] Trustee Johnston: vaccinations towards the end of this month, down to 12 years old.

[0:42:01] Trustee Johnston: And I'm hoping that, as I say, it'll get more normal.

[0:42:06] Trustee Johnston: Our LTC is proceeding with the official community plan revision.

[0:42:15] Trustee Johnston: Looking forward to probably next term, at least I'm looking forward to whoever is the trustee, whoever the two trustees are, and the third one to looking at our land use bylaw revision, which is in need of being done.

[0:42:33] Trustee Johnston: And that's all I have to say for right now. Thanks.

[0:42:38] Voice 30: Thank you, Peter. Kept it nice and short. Thank you.

[0:42:43] Voice 30: uh uh michael kale counselor and trustee bone island minister uh

[0:42:50] Voice 6: thank you chair and uh thank

[0:42:53] Voice 6: you uh trustee fast as well for covering so much ground i appreciate that our capital projects um

[0:42:59] Voice 6: our cross island path is continuing a pace and and we're really glad to see that because the

[0:43:06] Voice 6: costs are coming in at a pace that we can do that of course for our other projects we look at

[0:43:13] Voice 6: costings anxiously as all estimates seem to be subject to latest confirmation and that's always

[0:43:24] Voice 6: a cause for concern when you've got capital projects just one other thing chair I don't

[0:43:29] Voice 6: know when it's the same on other islands but people on Bowen have received their property taxes

[0:43:35] Voice 6: and I don't know whether that's one thing that trustees might like to consider and I'm helping

[0:43:42] Voice 6: The process now is online. And there's the obvious benefits to this. However, you may care to give some thought, trustees may care to give some thought to several members in their community who are struggling, not only with the telephone numbers given, but with the online process.

[0:44:03] Voice 6: And we've got a little sort of group who are trying to reach out to these people to give them some assistance, because if they have all the facts in front of them, the process works well, but it helps when you know every step of the way.

[0:44:18] Voice 6: So just a thought because there's a lot of trustees listening to this meeting right now and maybe just give a thought to some of those people who could do with a hand in getting this work done.

[0:44:37] Voice 6: I know that it's very much appreciated and it's a really nice way of getting in touch with some of the people who we don't meet on a regular basis.

[0:44:46] Voice 6: is a bit of a side comment so please excuse thank you thank

[0:44:52] Voice 30: you uh trustee kale for that message

[0:44:54] Voice 30: also now uh trustee case longer i i don't see you on my list are you online not online okay

[0:45:01] Voice 30: perhaps we'll catch him later so i hope everything's fine there i i find myself on the

[0:45:08] Voice 30: the list next. Peter Luckham, elected on Thetis Island. Trustee Fenton has covered almost everything

[0:45:17] Voice 30: there. I just want to make one remark. We had our first and probably most significant wildfire

[0:45:25] Voice 30: on Thetis Island two weeks ago. And this fire was seen by a number of people long before it

[0:45:35] Voice 30: was called in the smoke was seen from the ferry before it was called in it was actually the

[0:45:41] Voice 30: property owner who returned on the ferry um to get home that discovered that his property was on fire

[0:45:48] Voice 30: and um so i just messaged you all and to all of your community um if you suspect smell or see a

[0:45:58] Voice 30: a fire that looks like it maybe shouldn't be,

[0:46:02] Voice 30: call 911 immediately.

[0:46:06] Voice 30: Your fire departments on your islands

[0:46:08] Voice 30: would be much happier being stood down from a false alarm

[0:46:13] Voice 30: and spending six or seven hours containing a fire

[0:46:19] Voice 30: if we are so fortunate.

[0:46:21] Voice 30: The window of opportunity to contain a fire of that nature

[0:46:24] Voice 30: with humidity and temperature and wind

[0:46:26] Voice 30: and has now really passed.

[0:46:29] Voice 30: It might seem like it's damp,

[0:46:30] Voice 30: but every warm day we have, there's a huge risk.

[0:46:34] Voice 30: So be careful out there and advise your community

[0:46:37] Voice 30: and provide the support, moral support

[0:46:39] Voice 30: and otherwise to the fire departments.

[0:46:41] Voice 30: I got to take my hat off to the South Carolina

[0:46:43] Voice 30: Fire Department for their actioning a fire

[0:46:46] Voice 29: on their

[0:46:47] Voice 30: island also last week.

[0:46:49] Voice 30: And that's all for me.

[0:46:51] Voice 30: I'm going to go now to Trustee David Maughan

[0:46:56] Voice 30: from main island are you there david

[0:46:58] Voice 24: i am thank you um trustee dodd sends her regrets she's

[0:47:03] Voice 24: unfortunately doing some essential services for the island today um she wanted to pass on that

[0:47:10] Voice 24: the island sort of had a very profound effect with the announcement out of cam loops um she did write

[0:47:17] Voice 24: a couple letters to elizabeth may and um animals about it and received some very very thoughtful

[0:47:24] Voice 24: thoughtful responses which she shared with the community.

[0:47:28] Voice 24: As the community as a whole has been very,

[0:47:30] Voice 24: very deeply affected by it.

[0:47:32] Voice 24: As trustees might know, there's quite a bit

[0:47:35] Voice 24: of First Nations interest and connection on Main Island

[0:47:40] Voice 24: and it's affected everybody very, very strongly.

[0:47:45] Voice 24: In a little bit more positive note,

[0:47:47] Voice 24: just wanted to note to echo Trustee Brent's statement

[0:47:52] Voice 24: is the island has changed a lot over the last year um lots and lots of real estate activity

[0:47:57] Voice 24: lots and lots of new families moving on the island and they've been the most wonderful

[0:48:02] Voice 24: most enthusiastic uh fine additions to the island and um it's been a it's covid's been a very

[0:48:09] Voice 24: horrible thing but the the the after effects have been very positive for the island um and we're

[0:48:18] Voice 24: very very happy to note that we're having another community immunization clinic next week um the

[0:48:24] Voice 24: first one we did close to a thousand people and giving that our population by census is 900 um

[0:48:32] Voice 24: that's pretty impressive so we're almost 100 percent um so hopefully happy days ahead um

[0:48:40] Voice 24: certainly there has been happy days in the past thank you thank

[0:48:45] Voice 30: you very much uh trustee mod

[0:48:49] Voice 30: odd. Now, I have regrets from Trustee McConkie. I don't see that he's come in late. So we'll

[0:48:57] Voice 30: continue on to Trustee Lee Middleton on the Saturna Island.

[0:49:04] Trustee Middleton: Thank you very much, Chair, and thank you for your introductory words also. On the Saturna,

[0:49:12] Trustee Middleton: we now have the interim recovery measures for the southern resident killer whales in

[0:49:18] Trustee Middleton: effect uh for the summer again which means fisheries closures and transit uh closures

[0:49:24] Trustee Middleton: around the the south and east end of the island so we won't know for possibly many many years

[0:49:30] Trustee Middleton: whether or not these measures have been helpful or not but they're certainly worth doing and enjoy

[0:49:36] Trustee Middleton: widespread support um echoing uh trustee brent's comments of welcome to all the new families and

[0:49:44] Trustee Middleton: people on the island there's a suspicious air of contentment we suspect trustee brent has been

[0:49:51] Trustee Middleton: tampering with the water supply um however the result is positive and who are we to complain

[0:49:59] Trustee Middleton: um and then finally along uh for some of you will know him he was a trustee for for i think several

[0:50:09] Trustee Middleton: terms passed away Harvey Jansen about three weeks ago on the island doing what

[0:50:15] Trustee Middleton: he loved best cycling in the spring sunshine with his dogs and he was quite

[0:50:22] Trustee Middleton: a force on the island very much would be a character of that you would all be

[0:50:27] Trustee Middleton: familiar with on your own islands and he was the island plumber who interesting

[0:50:31] Trustee Middleton: enough learned plumbing by plumbing nuclear physics experiments at the

[0:50:35] Trustee Middleton: lawrence livermore nuclear laboratory in california so our condolences to his family

[0:50:42] Trustee Middleton: and um i think that's it for me chair thank

[0:50:48] Voice 30: you uh trustee middleton um i'm going to go to trustee

[0:50:53] Voice 30: deb morrison on north pender thank

[0:50:55] Trustee Morrison: you um a couple things i'm trying to decide if i should

[0:51:03] Trustee Morrison: try to take the four minutes since um trustee mcconaughey can't be here yet i don't believe

[0:51:07] Trustee Morrison: um anyway a couple things um many of you might have seen an article in the driftwood related

[0:51:14] Trustee Morrison: to the james island subdivision if you haven't i suggest you have a look at it and read it

[0:51:20] Trustee Morrison: that is the sort of hard ground that we're trotting in many ways as the balance between

[0:51:27] Trustee Morrison: reconciliation doing what we think is right and what may be before us as what

[0:51:33] Trustee Morrison: we're expected to so happy to talk with anybody about that individually in terms

[0:51:40] Trustee Morrison: of locally we have been dealing with a number of different issues we have a

[0:51:43] Trustee Morrison: land-use bylaw project that's starting to wrap up and get down to brass tacks

[0:51:47] Trustee Morrison: and so I think folks like trustee Johnson I want to have a look at some of

[0:51:54] Trustee Morrison: that as they start to engage on your own land use bylaw work because we've been pretty comprehensive

[0:51:59] Trustee Morrison: about trying to engage various aspects of the climate change lens and reconciliation and just

[0:52:06] Trustee Morrison: try to weave it in. I'm sure the planners are like shaking their heads at us with our scope

[0:52:14] Trustee Morrison: creep on our land use bylaw project but hey the other thing that we actually just are adding into

[0:52:22] Trustee Morrison: to it at the last minute, just because of a local issue that's percolated. I will bring an RFD

[0:52:26] Trustee Morrison: related to this in September. We're waiting for some language to come back locally to inform that

[0:52:31] Trustee Morrison: is around the use of helicopters. If you haven't heard, we have a helicopter issue on Pender. And

[0:52:38] Trustee Morrison: I do think it's a bit of a thin end of the wedge of some of some of the dynamics of different people

[0:52:46] Trustee Morrison: moving in. So I don't know that I would put a fully rose colored lens on the movement of people

[0:52:51] Trustee Morrison: to the islands um not because i don't think new people are great there's so many wonderful folks

[0:52:56] Trustee Morrison: here but um we are getting a lot of turnover of land here um we've had a massive clear cut that

[0:53:03] Trustee Morrison: you might have seen in paper we've had um helicopters come into the space so these are

[0:53:08] Trustee Morrison: all things that we have to find new and innovative solutions um some of things that are outside the

[0:53:13] Trustee Morrison: bounds of what we can do and we have to kind of figure out how we either stretch the bounds or

[0:53:18] Trustee Morrison: constrain ourselves um given the fact that our community members turn to us and ask us what why

[0:53:24] Trustee Morrison: is this happening and what are you doing about it so it is a bit of a challenge and then the last

[0:53:29] Trustee Morrison: thing i think i would name as i wildly run over time here is um that i intend to bring an rfd

[0:53:37] Trustee Morrison: also in september i'm waiting for a little bit more information before we bring it in but i do

[0:53:43] Trustee Morrison: want us to think about as the trust council how we are actually um leaning into our elections for the

[0:53:49] Trustee Morrison: next um not our election process on island but our election of executive and chair and nothing

[0:53:55] Trustee Morrison: against current executive or chair i just want us to think about the process a little in advance

[0:54:00] Trustee Morrison: so i'll bring a thought paper just for us to reflect on to the september meeting on that

[0:54:05] Trustee Morrison: all right thank

[0:54:07] Voice 30: you trustee morrison um let me go to uh trustee laura patrick for now

[0:54:18] Trustee Patrick: great issues i'm very grateful to be coming from um an island that is the traditional territories

[0:54:24] Trustee Patrick: of so many uh coast salish nations um if uh through the chair if you could would mind i am

[0:54:29] Trustee Patrick: uh laurie has got a couple of photos uh a photo is always worth a thousand words uh if uh if she

[0:54:36] Trustee Patrick: could show those the photos. Just wanted to show this is this we all talk about housing projects

[0:54:43] Trustee Patrick: well here's one that just had the final 12 families move into just the week before last.

[0:54:49] Trustee Patrick: This is called Salt Spring Commons on Salt Spring. This was the result of a subdivision back in like

[0:54:55] Trustee Patrick: began in 2003 that was approved in 2006 that donated five acres for affordable housing.

[0:55:03] Trustee Patrick: You're looking at the buildings where there's six four plexes that were built on only half of the acreage.

[0:55:12] Trustee Patrick: The acreage was the result of when they did all their tree cutting and all of that.

[0:55:18] Trustee Patrick: They dumped all of that debris on this lot that they had donated.

[0:55:22] Trustee Patrick: So it was, as you can imagine, a Scotch broom pile of mess, big liabilities to the to the groups.

[0:55:29] Trustee Patrick: so there were no trees cut for this and they preserved all of the trees the mature forest

[0:55:34] Trustee Patrick: that's on the property so it's it's 20 like I said it's 24 units for families these are

[0:55:41] Trustee Patrick: Salt Spring families these aren't people who've moved here these are small business owners these

[0:55:45] Trustee Patrick: are our employees these are people who are living on Salt Spring it was funded by BC housing and

[0:55:51] Trustee Patrick: private donors you'll see it had there are no driveways and parking in front of these buildings

[0:55:57] Trustee Patrick: There are parking lots off to the side, and people use carts and walk to their units.

[0:56:03] Trustee Patrick: There are children playing in the grass, and there is a common garden between them.

[0:56:09] Trustee Patrick: This is meant to be a community, and it's within walking distance to our village.

[0:56:14] Trustee Patrick: So it's exciting.

[0:56:16] Trustee Patrick: The highest rent is $1,500 for a three-bedroom unit.

[0:56:20] Trustee Patrick: They're subsidized at $900 and deep subsidy at $600.

[0:56:24] Trustee Patrick: and um uh it's just a wonderful thing and i think to look at 24 units over less than two acres

[0:56:32] Trustee Patrick: families and this is connected to sewer and and water um the the one thing that is something for

[0:56:40] Trustee Patrick: paying attention to advocacy is um solar was donated but rainwater collection won't be covered

[0:56:46] Trustee Patrick: by bc housing so they weren't able to put rainwater collection in there so that's something

[0:56:50] Trustee Patrick: we should be advocating for that in our islands any affordable housing bc housing should be covering

[0:56:55] Trustee Patrick: that rainwater collection i just wanted to quickly mention a couple that things that trustee grove

[0:57:02] Trustee Patrick: didn't and that was our coastal douglas fir project our science working group is working away

[0:57:06] Trustee Patrick: at some fantastic ideas and approaches for the coastal douglas fir and incorporated with that

[0:57:12] Trustee Patrick: is they're focusing in on watersheds and we have our watershed protection through the uh

[0:57:17] Trustee Patrick: SWPA, which I have a report in the package about all those wonderful things SWPA is doing. So

[0:57:21] Trustee Patrick: thank you.

[0:57:24] Voice 30: Thank you, Trustee Patrick. Next is Trustee Tim Peterson, Mesquite Island.

[0:57:34] Voice 17: Thank you, Chair. I seem to have caught a cold somehow. And so I've mostly been keeping my

[0:57:41] Voice 17: camera off so you don't all have to watch me blow my nose every two minutes. Sorry about that.

[0:57:47] Voice 17: Trustee Johnson covered what's happening on our LTC fairly well with our continuing work on the

[0:57:56] Voice 17: official community plan. I just wanted to briefly mention that I attended the AVICC

[0:58:02] Voice 17: event last week and in particular I wanted to mention the UNDRIP and Reconciliation panel with

[0:58:11] Voice 17: with Murray Rankin, John Jack and Judy Wilson-Raybould

[0:58:16] Voice 17: was I thought was a really good panel.

[0:58:20] Voice 17: And it's good to see that we're continuing at that level.

[0:58:26] Voice 17: And again, just a big thanks

[0:58:29] Voice 17: to our senior governmental policy advisor, Lisa Wilcox

[0:58:36] Voice 17: for having brought all of us collectively

[0:58:39] Voice 17: to the place that we are as an organization

[0:58:42] Voice 17: with our reconciliation work

[0:58:43] Voice 17: and as we continue to do that work.

[0:58:47] Voice 17: So thank you.

[0:58:50] Voice 30: Well, thank you, Trustee Peterson.

[0:58:53] Voice 30: I hope you get over your cold.

[0:58:57] Voice 30: Trustee Tahira Rockefeller, glad to see you here.

[0:59:00] Voice 30: Obviously got your technology sorted out.

[0:59:02] Voice 30: Over to you.

[0:59:03] Voice 20: Yep, thank you very much.

[0:59:05] Voice 30: Sally Anno.

[0:59:07] Voice 20: So to echo other trustees,

[0:59:09] Voice 20: yeah, it's still a very hot real estate market here.

[0:59:11] Voice 20: There's no properties for sale

[0:59:13] Voice 20: or next to none. And if they are, they're well over 1.5 million. But we're not seeing such,

[0:59:19] Voice 20: I mean, we're welcoming, of course, everyone that moves here, but we're also seeing a lot

[0:59:23] Voice 20: of families being displaced from rental homes where retirees are choosing to move back at this

[0:59:29] Voice 20: time or something like that. And the people that do can afford the properties here aren't really

[0:59:35] Voice 20: applying for any of the cashiering jobs or recycling assistant jobs. So there's a huge

[0:59:41] Voice 20: lack of workforce. And I think the biggest question for me coming up is, how do we balance

[0:59:48] Voice 20: environment with housing? And how do we make it equitable so everyone can live here that

[0:59:55] Voice 20: needs to support a diverse community? I feel like the environment will

[1:00:00] Voice 20: the one to suffer as it always does but i'm hopeful so food for thought thank

[1:00:07] Voice 30: you trustee

[1:00:08] Voice 30: rockefeller um trustee dan rogers keats island thank

[1:00:16] Trustee Rogers: you um i'm uh joining you actually although

[1:00:20] Trustee Rogers: i would rather be on keats i'm joining you today from the traditional territories of the muslims

[1:00:25] Trustee Rogers: Tsleil-Waututh and Squamish peoples in Vancouver in order to access internet.

[1:00:33] Trustee Rogers: Thank you again for your comments to start and the various comments from the various island

[1:00:39] Trustee Rogers: reps related to what's on a lot of our thoughts. It's been on my thought a lot about what more I

[1:00:47] Trustee Rogers: could be doing as an individual, not necessarily as a trustee, because I appreciate the work we've

[1:00:52] Trustee Rogers: done in terms of reconciliation of course we have much more to do um coincidentally with the

[1:00:58] Trustee Rogers: announcement of that one of the only members of the squamish nation that lived on the west side

[1:01:05] Trustee Rogers: of how it sounded in fact had strong connections to keats island passed away um and watching the

[1:01:12] Trustee Rogers: the ceremony and the and the events surrounding that and thinking about her her um uh and and

[1:01:20] Trustee Rogers: knowing her history as a residential school survivor been very much on my mind about all of

[1:01:25] Trustee Rogers: this. So I wanted to report on a couple of things. I've been working with the Keats Conservation

[1:01:34] Trustee Rogers: Group. And if you don't think the, well, I think you all know how the conservancy affects your

[1:01:42] Trustee Rogers: individual islands, but this conservation group is sort of very fledgling in its activities. But

[1:01:48] Trustee Rogers: but one of the activities that looks like might give it a bit of traction

[1:01:51] Trustee Rogers: is the new conservancy land on Keats Island of Sandy Beach

[1:02:00] Trustee Rogers: that looks like we're going to be able to try and find a way

[1:02:03] Trustee Rogers: to have them be part of the monitoring group for that piece of property,

[1:02:07] Trustee Rogers: a particularly nice piece of property.

[1:02:09] Trustee Rogers: They're also working on other connections.

[1:02:12] Trustee Rogers: I wanted to

[1:02:13] Trustee Rogers: name one other thing in our area.

[1:02:15] Trustee Rogers: Like other areas, well, before I go, the real estate market's incredibly hot.

[1:02:22] Trustee Rogers: Everything turns over in about two days.

[1:02:27] Trustee Rogers: And it's all recreational property for the most part, although we've had a few people move to the island recently.

[1:02:34] Trustee Rogers: But the recreational property market is hot.

[1:02:38] Trustee Rogers: My experience so far is while they don't necessarily yet understand completely, I should bring Paul over to give me training because while they don't understand the culture completely, they're very willing and very excited to be there.

[1:02:51] Trustee Rogers: So that's my experience so far.

[1:02:54] Trustee Rogers: I wanted to name one other thing is last night I attended an event put on by Ocean Wise regarding the Alcatsam Marine Reference Guide.

[1:03:06] Trustee Rogers: If you've never seen it, we've been extremely fortunate to have the work of both OceanWise out of the aquarium and formerly out of the aquarium.

[1:03:17] Trustee Rogers: And the David Suzuki Foundation sort of fund this work under the tutelage of a group of people from the House Sound Forum, including Trustee Stanford and others, Trustee Fast.

[1:03:30] Trustee Rogers: and so it's it's it's an amazing piece of work and research and they were talking about the

[1:03:38] Trustee Rogers: fact that their their mission was not only do the research and produce materials but put on

[1:03:43] Trustee Rogers: education and connection events and also connect communities and they've done a brilliant job of

[1:03:48] Trustee Rogers: doing all of that the work that's been done on the marine side in Alcatraz is remarkably good

[1:03:56] Trustee Rogers: and useful for everybody who's looking for any information or data and could be a model for what

[1:04:01] Trustee Rogers: happens elsewhere but it takes an awful lot of commitment and it's so deeply involves the the

[1:04:07] Trustee Rogers: the indigenous people in the area and the first nations people who have been part of that whole

[1:04:13] Trustee Rogers: process from the beginning um i i just want to leave with one other thing we you've heard us

[1:04:18] Trustee Rogers: talk about al-qatsim a lot which is a squamish name for the house sound turns out there's actually

[1:04:23] Trustee Rogers: three names i didn't know that um which is not unusual a lot of places have multiple names

[1:04:30] Trustee Rogers: um but uh we had a counselor from the um skohomish nation on last night he was describing what

[1:04:37] Trustee Rogers: al-qaeda means and it really sort of resonated that what it's about is about the traveling it's

[1:04:42] Trustee Rogers: about it means coming into and going away from um and uh and but it's reflective of the fact that

[1:04:49] Trustee Rogers: that it's for the for at least from their culture it's about the traveling it's about the movement

[1:04:55] Trustee Rogers: and how people move and that they move in that area and that's and that's what uh for them what

[1:05:00] Trustee Rogers: the word alcatsa means it's not a place it's about the process um good learning so i really appreciate

[1:05:08] Trustee Rogers: that uh ocean wise is i'm very concerned because of the you've probably read about the sale of the

[1:05:14] Trustee Rogers: the aquarium and ocean wise may not have a home soon.

[1:05:17] Trustee Rogers: And because as the new owners try and turn the aquarium

[1:05:22] Trustee Rogers: into a tourist attraction only,

[1:05:24] Trustee Rogers: but keep an eye on that

[1:05:26] Trustee Rogers: because they've done such remarkable work,

[1:05:28] Trustee Rogers: not just in the Alcats and Haussam,

[1:05:30] Trustee Rogers: but also around the whole Salish Sea.

[1:05:32] Trustee Rogers: So thanks, that's my report.

[1:05:35] Trustee Rogers: Thank

[1:05:36] Voice 30: you, Trustee Rogers.

[1:05:40] Voice 30: Trustee Grant Scott, Hornby Island.

[1:05:48] Trustee Scott: thank you um i'd just like to start by saying down if you've been to hornby you know where the old

[1:05:54] Trustee Scott: pub was as he entered the island well now it's a big hole black hole and um we haven't heard a word

[1:06:01] Trustee Scott: from the proponent lately so the minister was here with chief brempel so we're hoping that

[1:06:07] Trustee Scott: the process this is pure speculation because we don't know but we're hoping that one way or

[1:06:12] Trustee Scott: another uh homox mate first nation may may end up owning that site and instead of a pub as you're

[1:06:20] Trustee Scott: welcome to hornby there will be a welcome pole did i kill the video here you just want to hold

[1:06:26] Trustee Scott: on a second if you don't mind anyway that's not going to work so but a welcome fold and and a

[1:06:33] Trustee Scott: tribal park there as you enter the island will be much nicer than a pub so we're hoping that'll

[1:06:37] Trustee Scott: happen um more practically on the island we have the apc's been very active looking at the ocp and

[1:06:45] Trustee Scott: the bylaws as i've said before the word first nation is not in our ocp or our bylaws it's

[1:06:53] Trustee Scott: unbelievable and in this day and age we don't have that so we're looking we're trying to find the

[1:06:58] Trustee Scott: right words to put in there uh and we need maps and zoning because i mean what's going to happen

[1:07:03] Trustee Scott: very quickly people are going to come make applications and without a map without the zoning

[1:07:08] Trustee Scott: going what do they have to do around middens and potential burial sites it's going to be very

[1:07:13] Trustee Scott: confusing for the planning the process going into the future so we're hoping to get figure out a way

[1:07:19] Trustee Scott: of getting our ocp and the bylaws revised so we're we're looking for assistance in that i think deb

[1:07:26] Trustee Scott: morrison mentioned they may have some good maybe we can look out to other others of you who may

[1:07:31] Trustee Scott: have something we can take a look at Deb so maybe we'll contact you about that I see you nodding so

[1:07:36] Trustee Scott: that's great uh the new school is just about ready which is which is a very positive thing

[1:07:42] Trustee Scott: um as it burned down a couple of years ago um trees for tomorrow uh it was very kind of uh

[1:07:51] Trustee Scott: Scott to mention it uh we have access to trees this is the conservancy's trees for tomorrow

[1:07:56] Trustee Scott: We have access to all different species of coastal trees, particularly Douglas fir, because that's where we are.

[1:08:03] Trustee Scott: We've also grown some Kerry Oaks, probably the rarest forest ecosystem in Canada.

[1:08:10] Trustee Scott: So if any of you are interested, go to Conservancy Hornby Island.

[1:08:15] Trustee Scott: We've got a very active planting crew, as Trustee Rockefeller knows the people over there.

[1:08:23] Trustee Scott: they so they'll help you do that um if you're interested and i want to say the last thing here

[1:08:31] Trustee Scott: i just got a call from brian e penn that the wasanic first tribal council is interested in

[1:08:37] Trustee Scott: doing a phase a second conference on let the herring live so we're hoping um all of you will

[1:08:45] Trustee Scott: attend or get people from your islands to come because the one we did two years ago before

[1:08:49] Trustee Scott: for COVID in November was hugely successful and there's more First Nations now involved in that

[1:08:55] Trustee Scott: and we see it as a very positive way of looking at how reconciliation and relationship with First

[1:09:01] Trustee Scott: Nations can become a very positive thing so you'll hear more about that and we'll get that out to you

[1:09:07] Trustee Scott: as the planning proceeds so thank you Peter and that's it I just wanted to say how very but I like

[1:09:15] Trustee Scott: how positive um saturno island was on the people coming to their island but then the concerns we

[1:09:22] Trustee Scott: have the same as uh what trustee rockefeller said as well so anyway peter thank you thank you uh

[1:09:30] Voice 29: grant um

[1:09:32] Voice 30: let me go to uh kate louise stanford uh from gambia thank

[1:09:39] Trustee Stamford: you chair luckum i'm um

[1:09:42] Trustee Stamford: I'm happy to be zooming in from the traditional and unceded territory of the Squamish,

[1:09:50] Trustee Stamford: Tsleil-Waututh, and Musqueam as well. I'm in Vancouver, downtown Vancouver, but also want

[1:09:57] Trustee Stamford: to acknowledge that this is the home to many, many First Nations from all across the country,

[1:10:02] Trustee Stamford: and I did go to the old courthouse last evening and stood with a lovely ceremony,

[1:10:12] Trustee Stamford: that is ongoing to support the communities in Kamloops and very touching.

[1:10:20] Trustee Stamford: I was also happy today to meet with my fellow trustee for the first time in, what, 16 months?

[1:10:30] Trustee Stamford: We met for coffee outside, COVID safe.

[1:10:33] Trustee Stamford: But it really is important to be able to see each other in person again.

[1:10:38] Trustee Stamford: I'm looking forward to that.

[1:10:39] Trustee Stamford: um for gambier uh we are slowly and surely moving along with our official community plan

[1:10:49] Trustee Stamford: which i'm very grateful to my fellow trustees that they have supported an expansion to include

[1:10:56] Trustee Stamford: a land use bylaw um so um as many other people have suggested if there's ways to make this more

[1:11:04] Trustee Stamford: efficient and look at other official community plans from around the federation. Any way to move

[1:11:11] Trustee Stamford: this forward in an efficient manner we're looking for that kind of support. Gambier Island has

[1:11:18] Trustee Stamford: its own example of fairy creek and that is Whispering Creek. There has been some concerns

[1:11:27] Trustee Stamford: about a local forestry company that is logging right through the creek and the watershed.

[1:11:36] Trustee Stamford: So this is building in momentum.

[1:11:40] Trustee Stamford: We're hoping to see some changes at the provincial level in order to prevent the creek itself from being logged.

[1:11:46] Trustee Stamford: It's got beautiful examples of old growth.

[1:11:49] Trustee Stamford: and to if you want to see what this looks like uh bob turner has put on another video

[1:11:55] Trustee Stamford: uh about whispering creek and the concerns that we have so i will send around the link to that

[1:12:02] Trustee Stamford: uh it's he's uh from bowen he is a filmmaker he does a beautiful job of of this type of

[1:12:09] Trustee Stamford: of advocacy.

[1:12:10] Trustee Stamford: And finally, I would like to announce

[1:12:14] Trustee Stamford: that Al-Qahtsam House Sound has been accepted

[1:12:18] Trustee Stamford: as Canada's 19th UNESCO Biosphere.

[1:12:23] Trustee Stamford: This is very exciting.

[1:12:25] Trustee Stamford: It follows along with all the other amazing projects

[1:12:31] Trustee Stamford: that have been happening,

[1:12:32] Trustee Stamford: including the Marine Reference Guide.

[1:12:35] Trustee Stamford: It's just such good news to think

[1:12:38] Trustee Stamford: think that finally how sound Al-Qasim could be seen as a region onto itself and look at

[1:12:44] Trustee Stamford: sustainable development across a part of North America that was considered the most polluted

[1:12:51] Trustee Stamford: source point in the whole of the continent at one point, and that wasn't that long ago.

[1:12:58] Trustee Stamford: So the ability to move forward like this has really helped us. This is a preliminary announcement.

[1:13:05] Trustee Stamford: announcement, the UNESCO office in Paris will make their official notice in September.

[1:13:13] Trustee Stamford: So this is, and then we'll have a full court press on the event then. And I guess this is

[1:13:20] Trustee Stamford: Islands Trust is now part of two UNESCO biospheres. So that's very exciting. Thank you very much.

[1:13:29] Voice 30: Well, thank you very much, Kate Louise for Stanford, especially on that really celebratory

[1:13:36] Voice 30: moment that you've announced there and indeed that's a miraculous amount of work that has

[1:13:42] Voice 30: been done in a short time to secure that um UNESCO biosphere um um recognition and I can't help but

[1:13:51] Voice 30: also want to recognize it certainly it's a team effort which the House Sound Forum was

[1:13:56] Voice 30: significantly involved I think Suzanne Sanger and of course Ruth Simons main players but um many

[1:14:03] Voice 30: and many, many other significant players in advancing that

[1:14:06] Voice 30: and very well done to you and the house and community.

[1:14:11] Voice 30: I'm going to go now to Cameron Thorne,

[1:14:15] Voice 30: but I don't think he's online, Cameron.

[1:14:20] Voice 30: South Pender, no, okay.

[1:14:23] Voice 30: Jane Wolverton, Galliano Island.

[1:14:26] Voice 30: Good afternoon, Jane.

[1:14:27] Voice 23: Okay, thank you, Chair Luckom

[1:14:31] Voice 23: for starting us off in a good way.

[1:14:34] Voice 23: in this meeting and i'd also like to thank staff lisa wilcox for all of her support in this last

[1:14:42] Voice 23: week with information and good words and just all of that support is really appreciated and

[1:14:52] Voice 23: we are uh on island where i think there's a little bit of covet fatigue that has set in and i think

[1:14:59] Voice 23: that has raised some anxiety and at times some anger and at some times some not so good words

[1:15:07] Voice 23: on social media. Luckily, we will have our vaccines on June 20th to 22nd. And in the four

[1:15:17] Voice 23: southern Gulf Islands, we have an 87% uptake in the first dose. So, you know, things are looking

[1:15:25] Voice 23: Looking up, although I think that there is some apprehension about how it will open up with visitors coming to the island.

[1:15:33] Voice 23: Real estate, as Trustee Rockefeller and others have mentioned, is up.

[1:15:39] Voice 23: One property that sold last July during the pandemic is now on the market at over $100,000 more than last July.

[1:15:48] Voice 23: another property without uh any residents on it went for 140 000 over asking so i mean it's it's

[1:15:57] Voice 23: an intense time for sure um there's a lot of concern on the island or a lot of interest keen

[1:16:04] Voice 23: interest i would say in the trust policy statement and um there's been a lot of uh there's been a lot

[1:16:09] Voice 23: of letters and a lot of discussion about it um i think that we're moving along we've completed our

[1:16:17] Voice 23: our work with the technical changes to the land use bylaw.

[1:16:22] Voice 23: And I think I would just like to close

[1:16:25] Voice 23: in thanking my fellow trustee Tahira Rockefeller

[1:16:28] Voice 23: for going out to Ferry Creek twice

[1:16:31] Voice 23: and standing with the people there and the old growth.

[1:16:36] Voice 23: Thank you.

[1:16:38] Voice 30: Thank you, Jane Overton.

[1:16:41] Voice 30: And also thank you to Tahira as well.

[1:16:43] Voice 30: I just want to make, because I made acknowledgements

[1:16:47] Voice 30: with respect to the Biosphere Initiative in Howe Sound,

[1:16:51] Voice 30: which is always a mistake because you can't name everybody,

[1:16:54] Voice 30: but it would be a serious mistake for me to not recognize the Squamish nation

[1:16:59] Voice 30: and many other nations that have been supportive of this.

[1:17:04] Voice 30: It is a fundamental element of biosphere recognition protection

[1:17:09] Voice 30: that it engaged with First Nations.

[1:17:11] Voice 30: And indeed, the work of the trustees and the community there

[1:17:16] Voice 30: engaged with them and brought them on as early supporters so it's really an amazing piece of

[1:17:21] Voice 30: work that has been conducted there um finally uh the last uh trustee here steve sorry about this

[1:17:27] Voice 30: that's that's the way it goes sometimes we'll start with you first next time but trustee

[1:17:32] Voice 30: bright from south pender island uh

[1:17:36] Voice 4: usually last can't help it with uh with the initial

[1:17:41] Voice 4: um well first off i just want to say i'm really impressed at all the good news coming out of

[1:17:45] Voice 4: so many islands. Things are really starting to move. Maybe that is a legacy of COVID, is that we

[1:17:52] Voice 4: had nothing else to do except focus on being a trustee and getting things done.

[1:17:57] Voice 4: Whatever the motive was, as I said, I'm very impressed and thankful for it.

[1:18:03] Voice 4: COVID is certainly paramount in our thoughts here. We are getting our second shot before the end of

[1:18:10] Voice 4: the month on Pender Island and that is having a noticeable effect on people's attitudes and

[1:18:17] Voice 4: enthusiasm already. As far as us as a trust committee, we are already anticipating in-person

[1:18:25] Voice 4: meetings. I have one on my front yard with a steering group. We are also organizing a working

[1:18:35] Voice 4: working group to get more information and spread the word about certain issues such as shorelines,

[1:18:44] Voice 4: such as floor areas, such as building design and siting guidelines. There's a number of issues

[1:18:50] Voice 4: we're attacking. Our core planning staff is probably wondering when it's going to stop,

[1:18:56] Voice 4: but these initiatives have certainly taken on a little more emergency with the amount

[1:19:05] Voice 4: of real estate that's been selling

[1:19:08] Voice 4: and the amount of development that's taking place.

[1:19:10] Voice 4: There's a lot of building going on here.

[1:19:13] Voice 4: And other than that, we're just kind of floating along

[1:19:16] Voice 4: along with everybody else.

[1:19:17] Voice 4: And I just want to take my hands off to all the trustees

[1:19:21] Voice 4: hard at work and doing their job

[1:19:23] Voice 4: in the best interest of their community.

[1:19:25] Voice 4: Well done.

[1:19:29] Voice 30: Very good.

[1:19:29] Voice 30: Thank you, Trustee Wright for keeping that short as well.

[1:19:33] Voice 30: Appreciate that.

[1:19:34] Voice 30: back um so that brings us to the uh end of the uh round trustee round table and we are at our break

[1:19:42] Voice 30: and i think that it might be this is kind of the it's in it's a it's a good circumstance so let's

[1:19:51] Voice 30: go to our break and then we're going to start moving into the work and the administrative

[1:19:56] Voice 30: activities going on here and that would be a great i think a good opportunity for me to introduce all

[1:20:00] Voice 30: the staff after the break because we're going to move into that opportunity where staff will be

[1:20:05] Voice 30: more um present to us so it is now uh 2 21 um we have a 15-minute break struck and i think i would

[1:20:15] Voice 30: like to try and stick to that because we really need to have time to uh get up and move around

[1:20:21] Voice 30: and uh collect our thoughts so let's come back in 15 minutes which would be 2 30 i'm going to

[1:20:28] Voice 30: to round it down, 35. 235, we'll come back here. You might want to, well, you should mute yourself

[1:20:34] Voice 30: and you might want to turn off your video, but, and please turn it on when you come back

[1:20:40] Voice 30: so that we know you're here. That's the important part for us, is to know that you're physically

[1:20:46] Voice 30: present in this virtual world. Thank you very much, everybody. Good start to the afternoon.

[1:20:51] Voice 30: We'll talk

[1:20:52] Voice 29: to you all later.

[1:34:16] Voice 30: uh trustees yep um sir and thank you also to members of the public and those that have joined

[1:34:27] Voice 30: us online um this is uh of course the island trust council quarterly meeting um we have uh managed

[1:34:35] Voice 30: um some business items this morning and had a roundtable discussion with trustees

[1:34:40] Voice 30: i do want to acknowledge that we are meeting uh across the coast salish

[1:34:47] Voice 30: nations of the Amish Trust Territory and every one of us is grateful for the opportunity to

[1:34:56] Voice 30: live work and play here and so I thank everybody so we're going to move into the executive section

[1:35:04] Voice 30: of the agenda here we just spoke briefly about staff introduction so I'm just going to

[1:35:10] Voice 30: just briefly introduce the members of the staff that are in the in the boardroom here with me

[1:35:15] Voice 30: today and other we'll introduce the other members of the staff as their items come up on the agenda

[1:35:21] Voice 30: so in the boardroom here in laguncan territory today is uh ceo ross hudson pillar carmen teal

[1:35:28] Voice 30: our legislative services manager and of course lori foster who makes sure that all this works

[1:35:35] Voice 30: and manages the technology in a phenomenal way and uh ever so grateful to her and her expertise

[1:35:41] Voice 30: And of course the support team behind her

[1:35:43] Voice 30: that helps her get it all to go.

[1:35:45] Voice 30: So without further ado, let's go to the CAO.

[1:35:50] Voice 30: Oh, hold on.

[1:35:52] Voice 30: Yeah, we've got the consent agenda items here.

[1:35:56] Voice 30: Trust council follow-up action list,

[1:36:00] Voice 30: strategic plan update, continuous learning,

[1:36:03] Voice 30: executive committee work program.

[1:36:05] Voice 30: And then we've got a number of decision items here.

[1:36:08] Voice 30: here um so uh the opportunity exists here if trustees want to speak to any of the items in

[1:36:15] Voice 30: the consent agenda we'd remove those and i'll just maybe nod to the cao to just say is there

[1:36:21] Voice 30: anything that uh now post executive committee approval that you think that you would like to

[1:36:26] Voice 30: make remarks on on that consent agenda

[1:36:28] Voice 28: there wouldn't be mr chair nothing that i can't speak

[1:36:32] Voice 28: to in my report okay perfect so

[1:36:35] Voice 30: i'll turn to trustees and look for a show of digital hands

[1:36:38] Voice 30: And apparently with this new technology, I can see your digital hands go up on the screen

[1:36:42] Voice 30: even, which is just awesome.

[1:36:44] Voice 30: On any of the consent agenda items, anybody want to pull any of those?

[1:36:52] Voice 30: Many eyes in the room on that screen, and I'm not seeing any.

[1:36:55] Voice 30: So therefore, I'm going to then take it by general consent that we receive for information

[1:37:01] Voice 30: trust council follow-up action list at 4.1.1, the strategic plan update at 4.1.2, the continuous

[1:37:09] Voice 30: learning plan at 4.1.3 and that we will approve the work program report as presented at item 4.1.4.

[1:37:21] Voice 30: So thank you for your cooperation there, counsel. So we're now going to move into the discussion

[1:37:26] Voice 30: and decision items here. And the first one being 4.2.1. And it is my great pleasure to introduce

[1:37:32] Voice 30: ceo ross hudson for the uh the amazing amount of work and support that he provides to myself

[1:37:39] Voice 30: and council thank you very much

[1:37:41] Voice 28: chair left him good afternoon uh trust council it's wonderful

[1:37:44] Voice 28: to be with you and it's uh i'm humbled to be speaking to you from the victoria office

[1:37:50] Voice 28: and um within the traditional territory of the coast salish people and the quonga speaking people

[1:37:55] Voice 28: um i'm gonna as as usual take you through the the start of the executive portion of the agenda

[1:38:01] Voice 28: agenda and respond to any of your questions. You

[1:38:04] Voice 28: see on page 77, my regular report, and I'm not

[1:38:08] Voice 28: going to say these words out loud. Certainly, if you have anything, inquiries, I'd respond to them.

[1:38:15] Voice 28: But I would move off of those and speak to you about four or five different items that

[1:38:20] Voice 28: are of importance, I would think, and for your consideration. The first, of course,

[1:38:26] Voice 28: is acknowledging that we are in step one of BC's restart program with regards to the COVID

[1:38:35] Voice 28: pandemic, which is seeing a gradual opening of civil society, and even hearing your comments

[1:38:43] Voice 28: over the last hour, some attendant hopefulness about how things will proceed over the summer.

[1:38:49] Voice 28: So to the end, to the organization itself and how it's responding to those, you will probably be aware we have in step one, we have opened our offices to the public again, much like we did pre-March.

[1:39:03] Voice 28: So that would be on a limited basis, say three days a week. I think Salt Springs opens five days a week and the other offices on a more limited basis.

[1:39:13] Voice 28: crisis. We anticipate step two is going to be in June, somewhere around June 15th. And so we're

[1:39:21] Voice 28: transition planning to that. We have increased staff access to the offices. So staff are back

[1:39:27] Voice 28: in the offices to a certain degree. And we're working on flexible work schedules as we move

[1:39:33] Voice 28: forward. Keep in mind, we very quickly transitioned from what you would call regular times into the

[1:39:40] Voice 28: a response to the pandemic and now we're going to be transitioning in some ways out but transitioning

[1:39:45] Voice 28: not back to where we were and certainly that will apply to the work relationships that we have

[1:39:53] Voice 28: and how we have flexible workplaces and so forth so we're working on that with our staff and the

[1:40:00] Voice 28: wider provincial government is doing the same thing. So step two we'll also see all things

[1:40:08] Voice 28: is going well regular indoor seating of 50 people if there's a COVID safety plan in place and

[1:40:16] Voice 28: the ability to have small in-person meetings and the general return to the workplace so that's the

[1:40:22] Voice 28: our safety plan and a COVID approach over the next couple of weeks moving into the summer

[1:40:28] Voice 28: later on in the agenda you're going to see a number of items that relate to that

[1:40:32] Voice 28: most important one probably is going to be electronic meetings and how we move into the

[1:40:36] Voice 28: public space again with new regulations and getting live meetings going again.

[1:40:47] Voice 28: I'd also like to provide you, you'll recall there was a very significant amendment to the strategic

[1:40:52] Voice 28: plan at our March meeting and I can tell you that the plan itself has been amended and those things

[1:40:57] Voice 28: included but I thought that I would just give you just a brief overview right now of the four or

[1:41:03] Voice 28: or five forestry-based activities that are now represented inside the plan and to provide you

[1:41:11] Voice 28: with information as you speak to constituents and also speak to what seems like a tremendous

[1:41:15] Voice 28: amount of momentum around the forestry sector in the province and on the island and included

[1:41:21] Voice 28: in the trust area. So I'm just going to take a couple minutes and address those.

[1:41:24] Voice 28: us um the first is is that um you know what we've got about four initiatives underway and the way i

[1:41:35] Voice 28: i engage with people around this is just to pretend i'm

[1:41:38] Voice 28: hovering over any given island

[1:41:39] Voice 28: and looking down on it and looking at what is the land management machine with regards to forest

[1:41:45] Voice 28: forest management on any given island and of course there's usually four or five different

[1:41:50] Voice 28: land management types um tenures or processes and those being of course crown land

[1:41:57] Voice 28: we have the private managed forest land program we have private lands we have the agricultural

[1:42:02] Voice 28: land reserve the islands trust is doing work in all four of those areas based on your direction

[1:42:09] Voice 28: we've had i think we've had

[1:42:10] Voice 28: four meetings so far um with senior staff around the private

[1:42:14] Voice 28: Managed Forest Land Act and their program which was initiated last term and substantial public

[1:42:22] Voice 28: outreach and stakeholder outreach and First Nations outreach was undertaken and indeed

[1:42:27] Voice 28: the Islands Trust contributed to that dialogue with the anticipation that there might be some

[1:42:34] Voice 28: potential change coming with that program or investigation of that program.

[1:42:38] Voice 28: um it remains to be seen whether this current um whether the provincial government is moving

[1:42:49] Voice 28: forward with that program or the reconsideration of that program or the modernization of it or not

[1:42:55] Voice 28: we shall see we've certainly had many questions um and and some dialogue back and forth but i

[1:43:01] Voice 28: suspect that the uh the more recent intentions paper will be taking up a fair amount of space

[1:43:06] Voice 28: around forestry in the province right now and i'm unsure where the piano will be but nevertheless

[1:43:12] Voice 28: that was one of the areas that we wanted to express um our interest keeping in mind that

[1:43:18] Voice 28: seven percent of the of the land base the 25 of the land base is crown lands we've had four or

[1:43:24] Voice 28: five meetings also with flint row officials speaking about um wood lots first nations wood

[1:43:29] Voice 28: woodlots, cultural heritage, renewing our agreements,

[1:43:35] Voice 28: which has been 15 years since we've really had modern language in our

[1:43:39] Voice 28: agreements and our referrals back and forth.

[1:43:43] Voice 28: We will see where that takes us.

[1:43:46] Voice 28: I think those have been some of the best meetings we've had so far.

[1:43:51] Voice 28: And later on in the agenda over the next couple of days,

[1:43:53] Voice 28: you'll get a little bit more reporting around those.

[1:43:55] Voice 28: You'll also recall that two meetings ago,

[1:43:57] Voice 28: you directed us to engage with the minister around seeking a section 8 of authority to similar to the

[1:44:05] Voice 28: municipality to regulate tree cutting um we did have a meeting with the minister um on march 18th

[1:44:14] Voice 28: i believe just post trust council um and senior staff and it was a fairly robust conversation and

[1:44:21] Voice 28: certainly the minister had to respond in the legislature to a series of questions around

[1:44:27] Voice 28: the provision of a municipal tree cutting in the tree in the uh sort of the trust area but our

[1:44:33] Voice 28: first substantial meeting with staff was um over the last week where we spent an hour with them

[1:44:40] Voice 28: discussing the interests of the island's trust and how it's being communicated to us

[1:44:47] Voice 28: and how we're communicating with them um they communicated that this is a detailed discussion

[1:44:55] Voice 28: discussion and it is going to be complicated but I think there is an opportunity for

[1:45:05] Voice 28: ongoing discussion around it so I got the feeling and other staff got the feeling that there may be

[1:45:11] Voice 28: some opportunities probably the greatest consideration we have is that the municipal

[1:45:15] Voice 28: municipal expression of this power is not at a range level it is in smaller lot the uses of

[1:45:24] Voice 28: or the expression of this tends to be aesthetic

[1:45:27] Voice 28: and it tends to be associated with smaller locks

[1:45:32] Voice 28: and roadways and less about forestry proper

[1:45:37] Voice 28: and further conversation and dialogue

[1:45:40] Voice 28: and indeed dialogue with yourselves

[1:45:41] Voice 28: as we move forward and refine exactly what the request is,

[1:45:44] Voice 28: is going to be needed,

[1:45:46] Voice 28: whether we're discussing on a forestry type level

[1:45:49] Voice 28: or we're talking on a land disturbance basis,

[1:45:52] Voice 28: which is what we would more typically have was just, you know, human use, roads, clearing, land building, traditional development.

[1:46:05] Voice 28: They have identified, and I'm happy to have this, they have identified a number of staff who are going to be continuing with these discussions, and we have as well.

[1:46:17] Voice 28: So that was just in the last week. That is essentially your update on the progress here.

[1:46:24] Voice 28: So, we have, you know, when we look at the private land, our key tool is development permits, so the CDF, the development of the CDF zone, and the development of a model development permit by-law in terms of activities that we would be undertaking would be, and its application on a wider basis, if approved at an LTC level, would be the next significant piece that we would undertake.

[1:46:48] Voice 28: paper. So certainly I'm happy to have further conversations around that, but I just wanted

[1:46:55] Voice 28: to give you an update on those four or five areas associated with forestry. Moving now

[1:47:05] Voice 28: to, you also passed in your strategic plan some policy updates, and not the policy statement,

[1:47:12] Voice 28: but policies of the Islands Trust that need modernizing. And we've identified there's

[1:47:18] Voice 28: probably over a hundred that need some work but there's about 20 that need work fairly soon

[1:47:25] Voice 28: um or it would be appropriate and you are seeing three of those on your agenda in the next few

[1:47:30] Voice 28: minutes and those are those policies that might be boring at the outset but certainly provide

[1:47:37] Voice 28: directions for us moving forward so um we're excited to bring these to you

[1:47:42] Voice 28: you can anticipate over the next number of trust councils us continuing that work and of course

[1:47:46] Voice 28: you've directed us to do that through your amendment to the strategic plan.

[1:47:54] Voice 28: I'm not going to be exhaustive on this but you probably all know that the Connected Coast

[1:48:01] Voice 28: program and that whole program associated with the delivery of fiber optic cable is underway

[1:48:09] Voice 28: right now throughout our region and there are opportunities out there and there's also funding

[1:48:15] Voice 28: funding available that has been picked up by various agencies associated with Last Mile.

[1:48:21] Voice 28: I encourage you to just be aware of those moments as they come before you, and they might come

[1:48:30] Voice 28: before you officially. You might get referrals associated with the sighting of some of these

[1:48:34] Voice 28: landing spots off of the Connected Coast. How that could mean something for us even more

[1:48:40] Voice 28: more specifically is there's the chance that many of the locations or some of the locations where

[1:48:46] Voice 28: we traditionally either have trust council meetings or LTC meetings might in the future

[1:48:50] Voice 28: have the ability to have a fiber optic or some sort of communications enhanced communications

[1:48:56] Voice 28: capacity associated with them which would certainly allow for better public interaction

[1:49:01] Voice 28: communication. I know that LTCs have received a few referrals and they've probably seen these and

[1:49:07] Voice 28: and are considering them but i urge you to keep an eye on this project it's it's a project that's

[1:49:12] Voice 28: underway right now um the governance and operations um uh select committee and group has

[1:49:22] Voice 28: been meeting um quite regularly um we have met with the consultant um and uh great northern

[1:49:30] Voice 33: management

[1:49:31] Voice 28: and uh i've had uh myself i think three meetings with them going on providing some

[1:49:37] Voice 28: familiarity um around just the organization and they have a flow of information and communications

[1:49:42] Voice 28: we had a discrete discussion around strategic planning um and now we're moving into a little

[1:49:49] Voice 28: bit more information provision back and forth certainly um communicating around the land

[1:49:54] Voice 28: use function um the variety of bylaws that we have ocps and our list of large projects

[1:50:03] Voice 28: key to their work is interviews with all trustees and as they're in step one information gathering

[1:50:11] Voice 28: they will be moving into a stage two at some point and at that point you will all be contacted

[1:50:18] Voice 28: one way or another i'll leave that to them but we'll be assisting them with the with getting

[1:50:22] Voice 28: that information and the information for others will be interviewed as part of the work that

[1:50:28] Voice 28: they're doing. We have

[1:50:30] Voice 1: put out a

[1:50:31] Voice 28: press release in support of this activity. And at least in my

[1:50:35] Voice 28: initial discussions with them, I'm looking forward to their analysis and hopeful that

[1:50:40] Voice 28: the recommendations ultimately that will be provided will be helpful to the organization

[1:50:43] Voice 28: moving forward. My last comments are just to assure you, you'll be speaking about it in the

[1:50:50] Voice 28: next couple of days. Work continues apace with the policy statement. You know that we have a July

[1:50:58] Voice 28: 8th, a special meeting of Trust Council to consider first reading. I just want to take

[1:51:04] Voice 28: a couple of moments here to say that first reading is a good thing. If you feel that

[1:51:09] Voice 28: the document's at a place that it can get there, that is the springboard to getting

[1:51:13] Voice 28: into the next phase of public engagement. Any changes can be made to the document once

[1:51:18] Voice 28: that first reading moment has occurred. We're striving on a daily basis, and that's through

[1:51:24] Voice 28: weekends and so forth to get you a document that you'll be happy to have that that debate around

[1:51:30] Voice 28: so we're looking forward to that and the other message i would bring you is that um

[1:51:35] Voice 28: i've certainly been told that um both from the trustees submissions to the policy statement

[1:51:42] Voice 28: process and the public submissions to the public to the to the policy statement process that there

[1:51:47] Voice 28: is significant concurrence on the policies in the draft document it um it has uh um there is a unity

[1:51:56] Voice 28: in its approach and i think you'll find that when you get the document and get to read it

[1:52:02] Voice 28: and that is coming soon so with that mr chair those are my remarks for

[1:52:08] Voice 28: this portion of trust council i'll turn back to you okay

[1:52:11] Voice 30: thank you uh uh cao did you want to

[1:52:14] Voice 30: feel questions at this time or always always all right um so are there any um well let me just

[1:52:21] Voice 30: actually do one thing first of all i just want to acknowledge our case water ice has joined us

[1:52:26] Voice 30: i thank you case we were all concerned not to see you on the screen because we know how diligent you

[1:52:31] Voice 30: are and you wouldn't want to miss a moment so really glad to see you on the screen there um

[1:52:37] Voice 30: and i'm just going to chime in on the connected coast thing fetus island has actually made an

[1:52:41] Voice 30: application for that last mile funding we're doing

[1:52:44] Voice 30: that through the regional district so if

[1:52:46] Voice 30: you haven't heard from your regional district or or whatever that's your opportunity to connect

[1:52:53] Voice 30: into that funding stream grants have gone into the first round of funding or applications gone

[1:52:57] Voice 30: into the first round of funding and uh no doubt there will be more because i think there was a

[1:53:02] Voice 30: hundred and eighty thousand million dollars worth of requests for a 90 million dollar fund

[1:53:08] Voice 30: although there's lots of pressure on the government

[1:53:11] Voice 30: to fund all of the applications.

[1:53:13] Voice 30: So keep that in mind.

[1:53:15] Voice 30: And with that said, I saw one hand go up there,

[1:53:18] Voice 30: questions for the CAO on his CAO report.

[1:53:24] Voice 30: Looking for hands up, digital hands is ideal.

[1:53:30] Voice 30: So Trustee Morrison, I think.

[1:53:32] Voice 30: Oh, there's Trustee Morrison, yeah.

[1:53:33] Voice 30: It's funny, sometimes the colors don't work out.

[1:53:36] Voice 30: And I see Trustee Peterson and Trustee Boushekin.

[1:53:38] Voice 30: Okay, Morrison, Peterson, Beshaken.

[1:53:42] Trustee Morrison: Thank you. I'm just wondering about this exciting news about the possible forestry powers and the conversations going on around that.

[1:53:52] Trustee Morrison: I'm wondering if you have any idea of timeline or anything else that local trust councils can do to foster support for that.

[1:54:05] Voice 28: Timelines. Every time we sit down with their ministry friends, they point out to us that,

[1:54:12] Voice 28: you know, we think we have a long rhythm at trust council on a quarterly basis,

[1:54:16] Voice 28: but they automatically go to when is the next, when would this issue get a sitting in front of

[1:54:21] Voice 28: the legislature and how would it get in front of committees as it matures? It's not this next

[1:54:27] Voice 28: sitting that's certainly the case and I think we have a lot of work to do before we could

[1:54:33] Voice 28: fully answer with precision the intentions here and I mean that because they're asking some

[1:54:41] Voice 28: specific questions of us so I think indeed trust council has to have those conversations

[1:54:46] Voice 28: you'll recall we had a round table at the last trust council meeting I went back and listened

[1:54:52] Voice 28: to those recordings and i think the expression of this power which certainly would be would have

[1:54:58] Voice 28: the most breadth associated with it but it would only apply to private lands they're not in the

[1:55:05] Voice 28: pmfl of course not crown lands we'd still have to maintain separate initiatives associated with

[1:55:11] Voice 28: those types of land management things so you can see for the trust it's going to be a combination

[1:55:18] Voice 28: nation of factors to be successful ultimately on the ground um so i can't give you a short-term

[1:55:24] Voice 28: um answer but i can give you um i think that the request is i know the request is being taken

[1:55:32] Voice 28: seriously and there will need to be um an engagement with trust council to refine exactly

[1:55:38] Voice 28: how they want to express that and what i mean is are we talking medium level are we talking a lot

[1:55:45] Voice 28: Are we talking landscape level?

[1:55:48] Voice 28: Would it be in concert with the development permit process?

[1:55:51] Voice 28: Would we be looking at separate permitting

[1:55:53] Voice 28: associated with this idea?

[1:55:56] Voice 28: The passage of any of this power

[1:55:58] Voice 28: through all the different local trust committees.

[1:56:02] Voice 28: Some of these details, they're asking us these questions

[1:56:04] Voice 28: and we have to work,

[1:56:05] Voice 28: just do a little bit more work around it.

[1:56:10] Voice 30: Okay, thank you.

[1:56:11] Voice 30: Trustee Peterson.

[1:56:14] Voice 17: Thank you, Chair.

[1:56:17] Voice 17: Thank you, CAO.

[1:56:18] Voice 17: I had a question about you were mentioning granting opportunities in association with

[1:56:25] Voice 17: the Last Mile of the Connected Communities Initiative, and I'm just wondering if you

[1:56:31] Voice 17: have any information or can point in a direction to get more information on those opportunities.

[1:56:39] Voice 28: I can certainly spend a bit of time and get you some direct information.

[1:56:45] Voice 28: information. Each of you are different, of course, because each regional district that you're sitting

[1:56:51] Voice 28: within would be generally the avenue. This project also allows for small IPOs to be the generator of

[1:57:01] Voice 28: some of these funds. So if any of you have, it's best if any of you want some information that you

[1:57:08] Voice 28: just directly get in touch with me, as opposed to me just sending in something general to everybody.

[1:57:12] Voice 28: And then I was just in touch with the CAO of the Strathcona Regional District, Dave Leach.

[1:57:20] Voice 28: And so we can quickly get you the information that you need.

[1:57:24] Voice 28: It's likely through your regional district and whether or not they have a service.

[1:57:27] Voice 28: That would be the key question to ask.

[1:57:31] Voice 28: Great. Thank you.

[1:57:32] Voice 30: Okay. And Trustee Beshaken.

[1:57:35] Voice 30: And then I'll give the last word here to Trustee Coburn.

[1:57:38] Voice 30: I see his hand up now.

[1:57:40] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[1:57:41] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. So I've got a question but first I just wanted to let you know.

[1:57:48] Trustee Busheikin: Say oh hot simple and you may know this, or for anyone on the calls interested that there is an application right now for funding for Harvey and them and for that last mile funding.

[1:57:59] Trustee Busheikin: And it was quite a very complex thing to put together, it's actually an initiative that's been going on for a few years and it was spearheaded by a community group.

[1:58:11] Trustee Busheikin: But they took it to the regional district and got the regional district on board.

[1:58:19] Trustee Busheikin: So we're waiting to hear if the funding comes through, then that will be coming to our islands, which will be great.

[1:58:25] Trustee Busheikin: Right. So I want to go back to the discussion and I want to thank Trustee Morrison for, I guess, bringing up some of what I wanted to talk about, about moving forward with this.

[1:58:36] Trustee Busheikin: And I guess two questions. You talked about there's more work to do about figuring out what we really want and what we want to prioritize.

[1:58:46] Trustee Busheikin: question number one would be who's going to do that work will it be a trust council discussion

[1:58:52] Trustee Busheikin: or will it be a committee executive committee regional planning committee uh curious about that

[1:58:58] Trustee Busheikin: but the other question i have is like for certainly for that um level of the individual

[1:59:05] Trustee Busheikin: lots um you know someone buys a four hectare lot and they're like we're clearing it um you know

[1:59:12] Trustee Busheikin: without regard to the, you know, any of the possible, you know, sensitive ecosystems or,

[1:59:20] Trustee Busheikin: you know, anything. Like, do we need extra powers to, if we really don't want that to happen in

[1:59:29] Trustee Busheikin: that way, do we not have enough powers with a development permit regime to put some brakes

[1:59:38] Trustee Busheikin: on that to make sure that it's it's it's done responsibly

[1:59:44] Voice 28: there is really no tool that's

[1:59:48] Voice 28: available to anyone really that would prohibit cutting down trees a development permit has

[2:00:00] Voice 28: There's a series of justifications inside it, but it

[2:00:05] Voice 28: can't make the use unusable.

[2:00:08] Voice 28: So if you have a residential use on your property, you can undertake what you need to from a tree removal or any other perspective to

[2:00:19] Voice 33: allow

[2:00:20] Voice 28: you to maintain that use.

[2:00:22] Voice 28: So we don't have a direct ability to regulate trees.

[2:00:25] Voice 28: and in fact there's we've been we've participated in the past in a bit of case law around that

[2:00:30] Voice 28: and certainly um i can re-report i provided a little report to you on that a couple of months

[2:00:36] Voice 28: ago um so for the island's trust in the absence of the trust being designated as a special area

[2:00:46] Voice 28: and a whole you know a suite of special rules associated with being that special area

[2:00:51] Voice 28: there we go. Then we look out at these various tools and it will be trying to influence both

[2:00:58] Voice 28: on a cram land perspective, on a PMFL type perspective, on private lands, we can use

[2:01:05] Voice 28: development permits. And now on private lands, we're asking for this municipal power. And I

[2:01:11] Voice 28: guess I can tell you, and David, I see on screen, probably the concern at the provincial level is

[2:01:16] Voice 28: that there hasn't been range-like use

[2:01:21] Voice 28: or large landscape applications of that power

[2:01:24] Voice 28: to rural British Columbia, right?

[2:01:28] Voice 28: It's been within municipal boundaries.

[2:01:31] Voice 28: So they would probably quite rightly be aware

[2:01:38] Voice 28: that the Islands Trust would express that perhaps

[2:01:41] Voice 28: in a more comprehensive way than you would find

[2:01:45] Voice 28: in a given municipality up and down um the coast so um how i expect the problems would be thinking

[2:01:52] Voice 28: how could they um or one of the discussion items was how would they reconcile that and then a

[2:01:57] Voice 28: further um determining of how we would what would be the intentions of a given local trust trust

[2:02:04] Voice 28: committee on ex on the expression of that how would we actually use it um and i think it's a

[2:02:10] Voice 28: question of refinement would you agree with that david david was in the meeting with me

[2:02:14] Voice 28: um

[2:02:16] Voice 39: um yeah whatever may through the chair uh just add oh we lost

[2:02:24] Voice 24: David just at this big moment

[2:02:25] Voice 28: do

[2:02:26] Voice 39: what the CAO said there uh ways and means that you can use the um tree cutting uh protection

[2:02:32] Voice 39: bylaw um that you couldn't really do that with a development permit so it would be more around

[2:02:38] Voice 39: specifically to protect the trees of certain types or you could require if trees are removed

[2:02:44] Voice 39: to allow for development, that replacement trees are put in place somewhere.

[2:02:50] Voice 39: So there's a little bit more flexibility and broadens the range of areas that you could cover with respect to tree protection

[2:02:59] Voice 39: than you could under a development permit.

[2:03:04] Voice 28: And finally, and not to stretch this out, as we collectively contemplate this and action this,

[2:03:11] Voice 28: and what i'm the main thing i'm communicating to you is i think this is progress on this file so

[2:03:17] Voice 28: i want to leave you with that idea um it would be as an organization how would we implement you know

[2:03:24] Voice 28: we need to come to the table with ideas of implementation not just ideas of intention

[2:03:31] Voice 28: but how how would we what would be the means of implementing um this particular request

[2:03:41] so that is that is top of mind with the staff and what would that look like what would that

[2:03:45] Voice 28: look like to your staff what would that look like to the expertise you need to have in the

[2:03:48] Voice 28: organization etc etc so um congratulations one of your late additions to the strategic plan has

[2:03:56] Voice 28: is certainly getting um some attention here at the trust and we're and we're working it through on

[2:04:01] Voice 28: literally on a daily basis but keeping in mind that there's four or five different areas associated

[2:04:05] Voice 28: with forestry initiatives that we're trying to move forward at one time

[2:04:08] Voice 33: hopefully that's

[2:04:10] Voice 28: That might not be the answer you wanted, Trustee Boucherkin, but it touches on that, some of the key elements.

[2:04:16] Voice 30: Okay, so thank you, Trustee Boucherkin.

[2:04:18] Voice 30: If you can lower your hand, and I'll go to Trustee Colburn for the next question, and then we'll move on to the business items.

[2:04:27] Trustee Colbourne: Thank you.

[2:04:28] Trustee Colbourne: I just wanted to bring up two things as questions.

[2:04:33] Trustee Colbourne: I've heard from regional district of Nanaimo chair and the area director around regional districts applying for a realignment of powers and a realignment of responsibilities.

[2:04:44] Trustee Colbourne: And I'm just wondering if there's a potential to work with other local and special purpose governments to to advocate with the ministry to do some of these things, hand in hand as opposed to as discrete items that may be more effective.

[2:04:58] Trustee Colbourne: I have a question about the strategic plan item 1.2, which is what I think we're talking about, create a model development permit for local trust committee, but when I look at what we need plans to protect coastal Douglas fir zones for the trust area, is that, and the timeline here sort of not started in fall of 2021, is that something that we can expect to have model bylaws or a development permit in time for this, the end of this term, which is what the strategic plan sort of budgets for is 22-23?

[2:05:27] Trustee Colbourne: I'm

[2:05:28] Voice 28: going to say yes, but I'm going to turn it over for David to either disappoint you or confirm that.

[2:05:34] Voice 39: That is correct. It's intended to be completed by the end of term.

[2:05:40] Voice 28: But as is the

[2:05:41] Voice 28: key theme with your strategic plan, it will be in the passage by each local trust committee of said model.

[2:05:50] Voice 28: And we've got about five of these throughout the strategic plan and well discussed as a strategy moving forward.

[2:05:57] Voice 28: that will really be where the plan begins to take hold so we've got the mapping on the cdf

[2:06:03] Voice 28: now we'll have in relatively short order have a model bylaw but then we'll be amending our

[2:06:08] Voice 28: various documents to ensure those bylaws are in place and

[2:06:13] Trustee Colbourne: working with regional districts

[2:06:14] Trustee Colbourne: who are advocating with the ministry of aligning some of these requests for different responsibilities

[2:06:20] Trustee Colbourne: possibilities is there is there a potential there there is a potential there um

[2:06:25] Voice 28: you know

[2:06:28] Voice 28: if i was trying to convince you of something i might try and convince you that one thing is

[2:06:34] Voice 28: special and it needs and it has its own rules and regulations already established and um why not

[2:06:43] Voice 28: realize those in some way more fully potentially so that would be one um strategy and there's also

[2:06:49] Voice 28: Also the extraction of interest with others, which you're referring to around regional districts.

[2:06:54] Voice 28: I don't know whether we would share with regional districts the complete suite of interest associated with this.

[2:07:03] Voice 28: But maybe there's the chance for some harmonization.

[2:07:07] Voice 28: We certainly take advantage of that opportunity if we could.

[2:07:12] Voice 28: Substantially, when we're meeting with ministry, I know that Chair Luckham has done it and others have done it.

[2:07:17] Voice 28: we're making the point that um the islands trust area has been is a designated special interest

[2:07:24] Voice 28: area and needs to have um some commensurate authorities to fulfill its mandate yeah thank

[2:07:36] Voice 30: you uh ceo and indeed i think that's an important point is it as a special area with unique

[2:07:46] Voice 30: provincial interests it may be desirable to provide the opportunity to the island's trust

[2:07:52] Voice 30: that it may not immediately want to consider with regional districts across the province

[2:07:57] Voice 30: and um so there's a potential for us to even be a prototype or test platform for something so

[2:08:07] Voice 30: um it's a it's a really good idea to try and align but i think we don't want to diminish

[2:08:11] Voice 30: the importance and special nature of the Adams Trust, but happy to take lots of advice on that.

[2:08:18] Voice 30: So let's move on to the business items in front of us. This has been a good conversation, and thank

[2:08:24] Voice 30: you, CAO, for your extensive update. You can see lots of things going on in the background.

[2:08:29] Voice 30: So the first item here is the provision of electronic meetings for trust council

[2:08:35] Voice 30: bodies on an ongoing basis. Once we get out of this emergency measures situation,

[2:08:41] Voice 30: There are three motions here, and I'm going to turn it over to the CAO to introduce this item, and then I would look to members of council or executive committee to make the motions that are before us if that seems like what we want to do.

[2:08:54] Voice 30: CAO, over to you again.

[2:08:56] Voice 28: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[2:08:56] Voice 28: So on page 79 of your agenda, you will see the report provision of electronic meetings for trust council bodies.

[2:09:02] Voice 28: So, given the trajectory around COVID and the opening up of society and the steps towards more active public engagement, we need to prepare for that.

[2:09:19] Voice 28: And this report takes us to how we want to engage and prepare for regular business of local trust committees, committees of council and trust committees.

[2:09:32] Voice 28: when we last were here in march and this is a key thing i want to note bill 10 was not we did not

[2:09:41] Voice 28: know about the existence of bill 10 or that bill 10 was coming and what bill 10 does is it allows

[2:09:46] Voice 28: for regular electronic meetings of local governments back then back in march even when

[2:09:53] Voice 28: we were going through the budget process all we had to go on was that we will be back to

[2:09:58] Voice 28: regular ways of business and there's no provision for electronic meetings

[2:10:02] Voice 28: so that has changed and so now you have a range of opportunities in front of you

[2:10:08] Voice 28: um i provided with the staff and frankly mark's done most of the work on this um three options

[2:10:15] Voice 28: for your consideration on how you want to move forward with local trust committee meetings and

[2:10:19] Voice 28: other meetings of trust council and those you know i could it's a this is a fairly technical report

[2:10:25] Voice 28: but I think that the starkest way to look at this is back in 2019 or 2018-19 there's discussion of

[2:10:36] Voice 28: broadcasting meetings of LTCs. The lowest cost item associated with that is the option that's

[2:10:46] Voice 28: in this document for you and I believe it's option two. So that's live meetings with broadcast and

[2:10:56] Voice 28: record only. We budgeted right now in your budget we've got about eighteen thousand dollars. This

[2:11:04] Voice 28: budget would be somewhere in the twenty three thousand dollar range. The other option

[2:11:15] Voice 28: was a trust council approved hybrid and that's with only getting four units and that would allow

[2:11:22] Voice 28: for full zoom capability but it provides a significant challenge in terms of getting that

[2:11:31] Voice 28: material various to the various LTCs. Finally there is essentially the fully flexible option

[2:11:42] Voice 28: which is being provided to you as the recommendation.

[2:11:45] Voice 28: And that is that for each LTC meeting,

[2:11:48] Voice 28: there's the provision of a live space

[2:11:52] Voice 28: that we're required to have

[2:11:54] Voice 28: with a local government official in attendance,

[2:11:57] Voice 28: and that's a staff person,

[2:11:59] Voice 28: but also that those would be Zoom meetings

[2:12:02] Voice 28: that would allow the citizenry to interact with the LTC.

[2:12:07] Voice 28: So it's essentially providing a fully flexible boardroom environment, both electronic, back and forth, as well as live.

[2:12:18] Voice 28: And how would we do this? We would need to do a number of things.

[2:12:22] Voice 28: The first is we'd have to develop seven or eight kits, or between six and eight kits,

[2:12:28] Voice 28: and have those essentially put on each of a number of islands

[2:12:32] Voice 28: that would be high users of this facility.

[2:12:38] Voice 28: Right now in this report, you can see that right now we've got about one FTE

[2:12:45] Voice 28: of our administrative staff being taken away over the last year and a half

[2:12:49] Voice 28: from their regular duties, and they sit and provide management

[2:12:54] Voice 28: management of these interactive Zoom meetings and manage people coming in and out

[2:13:00] Voice 28: and so forth. So someone is always working that. So if you choose to go forward with the fully

[2:13:08] Voice 28: functional option, it would be, there would be a need to have some administrative physician

[2:13:14] Voice 28: developed and funded to coordinate the public meeting production. So then the kits would be

[2:13:20] Voice 28: on island there'd be a roving kit and uh we would then take um the minute takers and have the minute

[2:13:26] Voice 28: takers um steward the equipment on pilot i'm not saying this is easy because it isn't um we're

[2:13:37] Voice 28: taking a municipal office and we're multiplying it times 13 or 11 or 12 orders and trying to

[2:13:43] Voice 28: replicate what we're doing right now um and so we realize that and to that end on page 83 i listed

[2:13:51] Voice 28: some of the implications of going this route and some of the key questions we're going to have to

[2:13:58] Voice 28: ask ourselves and that is what hardware will need to be provided how

[2:14:03] Voice 28: do the kits get to each meeting

[2:14:04] Voice 28: who administers the meeting who sets up the equipment breaks it down what does the public

[2:14:08] Voice 28: see and hear how do we project agendas and reports and how many planning staff can attend a given LTC

[2:14:15] Voice 28: meeting there have been some significant benefits to the zoom process we've been at and we've

[2:14:22] Voice 28: matured much quicker really than we thought we could with the delivery of this now it's really

[2:14:27] Voice 28: where do you want to go um we've given you these three options there's probably variants on these

[2:14:34] Voice 28: themes um but you know september october november is going to come quite quickly and there'll be the

[2:14:41] Voice 28: ability for us to have live public meetings and we'll need to adopt one of these processes

[2:14:48] Voice 28: So probably there's going to be some questions.

[2:14:51] Voice 28: Mark, is there anything that you would add

[2:14:54] Voice 28: to what I've said?

[2:14:55] Voice 28: Do you want to fill out any of the options

[2:14:57] Voice 28: any more than I have for the trustees

[2:14:59] Voice 28: or just respond to questions?

[2:15:01] Voice 10: No, I'm prepared to respond to questions.

[2:15:03] Voice 28: So with that, Mr. Chair,

[2:15:06] Voice 28: I would say that what is provided for you

[2:15:09] Voice 28: is the recommendation on page 79,

[2:15:13] Voice 28: that the development of a hybrid meeting capacity

[2:15:15] Voice 28: capacity for LTC meetings which is fully interactive electronic capacity the budget be amended to

[2:15:22] Voice 28: transfer some ninety thousand dollars from either general surplus or reduction of services and that

[2:15:27] Voice 28: we then be directed to draft amendments to trust Council and local trust committee procedure by

[2:15:32] Voice 28: us bill 10 does not contemplate the islands trust yet but we've been assured that we are in the

[2:15:41] Voice 28: docket and that our regulations will be amended and that we will be allowed to have fully electronic

[2:15:48] Voice 28: meetings page 86 has a financial analysis associated with this choice if that's the

[2:15:54] Voice 28: choice you wish to make it's not an insignificant choice um we are um just to paraphrase we're

[2:16:01] Voice 28: budgeting um in a more exacting fashion than we have in the past and um we're spending a fair

[2:16:08] Voice 28: amount of our um we're doing some work on our projects and we've also reduced our general

[2:16:15] Voice 28: surplus from 25 percent um of current budget to 20 percent which narrow thing narrows things up a

[2:16:22] Voice 28: touch so um um that makes this decision you know does certain would certainly have some financial

[2:16:29] Voice 28: impact so that'll turn it back to you mr chair and see where trust council wants to go

[2:16:34] Voice 30: well thank you

[2:16:35] Voice 30: very much so i have a number of hands up um uh either for questions or to make motions um

[2:16:41] Voice 30: discussion might be better placed if there's a motion on the floor to debate but um i'll leave

[2:16:47] Voice 30: that to you and respect the time available to us so i've got trustee morrison in this order morrison

[2:16:54] Voice 30: stamford allen be shaken and fast thank

[2:16:58] Trustee Morrison: you so um so my question is really around um from what i

[2:17:04] Trustee Morrison: I just heard, it sounds a little bit different than what I see in front of me. So it sounds that

[2:17:09] Trustee Morrison: staff wouldn't just be there for training, but maybe they're for continuous support.

[2:17:14] Trustee Morrison: So it might be a new staff position or a reallocation, permanent reallocation of staff

[2:17:20] Trustee Morrison: over to this type of role. So I'd like some clarity on that. And then related to that is on

[2:17:27] Trustee Morrison: On page 83, I see item number seven of the implications of recommendation talks about 350 to 400 hours that have been allocated to this since January.

[2:17:40] Trustee Morrison: But what I don't see is how many hours have been saved by staff not traveling.

[2:17:46] Trustee Morrison: And I feel like if we're going to get specific about that, and I guess that's the question, is there hours saved?

[2:17:53] Trustee Morrison: is there less staff coming to the island because we still had from my understanding safety issues

[2:17:58] Trustee Morrison: about staff coming alone so are we now allocating three staff potentially to every ltc meeting

[2:18:05] Trustee Morrison: so that's a bit of a question

[2:18:07] Voice 28: okay take me to your first question again so

[2:18:13] Trustee Morrison: first question was

[2:18:14] Trustee Morrison: around whether it was a continuing position for staff like a new position yes

[2:18:19] Voice 28: so how this would

[2:18:20] Voice 28: would work would be we would have the admin staff go back to their regular jobs and that we would

[2:18:28] Voice 28: create a position that manages this function and it's an administrative function that person would

[2:18:35] Voice 28: be sitting in an office somewhere and they would organize all the kits train all the minute takers

[2:18:41] Voice 28: and manage as many ltc meetings as possible there would be some overflow because sometimes you're

[2:18:48] Voice 28: meeting at the same time right so um then that overflow would go to the other you know the staff

[2:18:56] Voice 28: people that previously did this and right now um we added those hours up and it's approximately

[2:19:02] Voice 28: three to four hundred hours of administrative time we don't use the planners to sit and administer

[2:19:11] Voice 28: trust council meetings or local trust committee meetings it's um a different skill set it's um

[2:19:19] Voice 28: different positions and so forth so um we likely have had some um a reduction in costs associated

[2:19:28] Voice 28: with travel of planners to various islands but what they're doing is doing other planning work

[2:19:34] Voice 28: so it's being absorbed and is you know frankly supportive of the creation of the

[2:19:41] Voice 28: of now like a daily or regular planning um function of the trust and a long-range planning

[2:19:48] Voice 28: planning function. So we're using some of those essentially, some of that friction to support the

[2:19:55] Voice 28: long range work of the organization and the short range work of the organization. There isn't a cost

[2:20:00] Voice 28: there that we're taking and flipping over to the admin side to say, now here's a new staff person.

[2:20:07] Trustee Morrison: And then the second piece of that was about, what was it?

[2:20:11] Trustee Morrison: Well,

[2:20:12] Voice 28: I think that was the second piece. It was just the, you know, the land use planners going

[2:20:18] Voice 28: to the various locations um i certainly think that it is a benefit to all almost everyone involved to

[2:20:26] Voice 28: not have two and three planners getting on a ferry and going over for one meeting and then coming

[2:20:30] Voice 28: back it allows by having one planning person there which we will need to maintain um it allows them

[2:20:39] Voice 28: you know the live meetings to occur but now you can have a raft of different planning expertise

[2:20:43] Voice 28: come into any given LTC meeting and because we're doing long-range planning more vigorously at the

[2:20:49] Voice 28: trust we can have someone come in for a 15-minute discussion with the LTC and then come out without

[2:20:54] Voice 28: having to send them so there is for sure we're at the start of realizing some economies and

[2:21:00] Voice 28: economies of scale and stuff like that we're not there yet but I think it could be okay thank you

[2:21:07] Voice 30: trustee Morrison so I got more people on the list Johnston and Brent are at the end here now

[2:21:12] Voice 30: And so I'm gonna go to Stanford and then to Alan.

[2:21:17] Trustee Stamford: Thank you.

[2:21:18] Trustee Stamford: Yeah, my question was similar to Trustee Morrison's

[2:21:22] Trustee Stamford: around staffing.

[2:21:24] Trustee Stamford: So I think you've answered it to a certain extent,

[2:21:27] Trustee Stamford: but do you see like in specific instances

[2:21:30] Trustee Stamford: where local trust committees could use this completely?

[2:21:34] Trustee Stamford: And I am thinking about the particular geographic challenges

[2:21:39] Trustee Stamford: geographic challenges that the Gambier-Keats Local Trust Committee has, and that this works

[2:21:46] Trustee Stamford: so much better as far as allowing our constituents to participate. We generally don't have any

[2:21:53] Trustee Stamford: attendees to our meetings. So these are

[2:21:55] Trustee Stamford: the kinds of things that I'm thinking of in the long term

[2:21:58] Trustee Stamford: and how that would be accommodated.

[2:22:01] Voice 28: Well, I do think it's going to offer flexibility.

[2:22:03] Voice 28: um indeed trustees will not need to be physically present at every ltc meeting as they can they'll

[2:22:10] Voice 28: be able to come in electronically um as long as a public meeting space is provided so that that

[2:22:18] Voice 28: will need to exist and for those people those people will still need to see and hear but there

[2:22:24] Voice 28: isn't a requirement to interact and that's really something before you make this decision that's got

[2:22:29] Voice 28: financial implications there isn't a requirement um for interaction but there this is this may be

[2:22:39] Voice 28: the level of interaction that you want and that you want to support for um communities and people

[2:22:44] Voice 28: from various places being able to come into a local trust committee meeting and make their views

[2:22:48] Voice 28: known um so i do think that you know in the case of gambier in the case of muskete um and some of

[2:22:54] Voice 28: these places that there that there's going to be widened opportunities with the provision of this

[2:22:58] Voice 28: electronic meeting um ability than there would be than there would be in the past and i know

[2:23:05] Voice 28: that sometimes you've met in north band um but you'd you just have to be mindful of getting a

[2:23:13] Voice 28: public space that has a person there so just

[2:23:16] Trustee Stamford: just can clarify that we still do need that physical

[2:23:19] Trustee Stamford: physical space we do yeah

[2:23:21] Trustee Stamford: okay

[2:23:22] Voice 28: a physical space okay

[2:23:27] Voice 29: trustee Allen you're next yeah I was just

[2:23:32] Trustee Allen: wondering well what's like can Hornby Island just stay with what our current what we currently have

[2:23:37] Trustee Allen: like our current Zoom electronic capacity like why do we have to change I didn't see that in this

[2:23:44] Trustee Allen: like if we already have a current model that exists and um why change it well you're operating

[2:23:50] Trustee Allen: under

[2:23:51] Voice 28: a provincial state of emergency associated with the pandemic so what that's allowed is for

[2:23:57] Voice 28: public hearings and public meetings um to be held electronically but once the provincial state of

[2:24:06] Voice 28: emergency ends the province is going well what have we learned over the last 16 months

[2:24:11] Voice 28: and what they're saying and that's what this bill 10 is is it saying no there's some positives to

[2:24:18] Voice 28: to allow for regular electronic meetings.

[2:24:21] Voice 28: But that doesn't mean you can keep on

[2:24:24] Voice 28: just having electronic meetings.

[2:24:25] Voice 28: You have, each local government, not just us,

[2:24:28] Voice 28: is gonna have to provide a public space for people to gather

[2:24:32] Voice 28: as we have had for 40 years.

[2:24:35] Voice 28: It's just now we can also have an electronic meeting

[2:24:38] Voice 28: and you could stay home

[2:24:40] Voice 28: and come in and participate in that meeting.

[2:24:44] Voice 28: And if it was bad weather, you could, you know,

[2:24:47] Voice 28: have that public space and people could still engage with the LTC, but they wouldn't have to

[2:24:52] Voice 28: get out and drive and go to a given location. So we're compelled to change from what you're

[2:24:59] Voice 28: doing right now to something in the future. Now, it doesn't have to be, this is the stark choice

[2:25:06] Voice 28: in front of you, it doesn't have to be the option that's put forward as the recommendation. You

[2:25:10] Voice 28: could go to what was contemplated initially in 2019, and that is simply to broadcast these

[2:25:14] Voice 28: meetings and put them on the website but if you're uh to follow and arguably you could say that

[2:25:20] Voice 28: there's been a positive engagement and an increased transparency around the works of the

[2:25:26] Voice 28: honest trust more people have come in to um to view our work um than we then in the last 18 months

[2:25:33] Voice 28: this has been previously so um

[2:25:38] Voice 30: i just feel compelled to make a remark just uh from my own

[2:25:42] Voice 30: perspective and and if i'm wrong ceo just tell me but this is a sacred trust held by the province

[2:25:50] Voice 30: to ensure that people have the opportunity to engage with local government and they're not

[2:25:57] Voice 30: they don't want to eliminate that in any way shape or form because it's a sake it's a right

[2:26:05] Voice 30: of democracy for citizens to be able to engage with the local government and so they're making

[2:26:10] Voice 30: these changes to facilitate a new electronic era that still protects that sacred, you know,

[2:26:19] Voice 30: that's the way I phrase it anyway, right, of public participation. And I see Carmen, our legislative

[2:26:24] Voice 30: services manager nodding there. So let's continue on with the list. We're shaking fast. Johnston,

[2:26:29] Voice 30: Brett.

[2:26:33] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, thanks. I'm, I think I'm sort of probably having similar thoughts and feelings

[2:26:39] Trustee Busheikin: to the last few uh people with questions and thinkers or questions and comments um i i like

[2:26:45] Trustee Busheikin: the option presented but my concern is the uh this the staffing costs and i'm am i correct

[2:26:50] Trustee Busheikin: in understanding that this would be a permanent staff position it isn't just to get it up and

[2:26:56] Trustee Busheikin: started that's

[2:26:58] Voice 28: right it would be you you know just to be straight up paying for the ability to

[2:27:06] Voice 28: to have fully integrated electronic meetings.

[2:27:10] Voice 28: Right now, you're not paying for it.

[2:27:13] Voice 28: And what I mean by that is we've just taken people

[2:27:16] Voice 28: and made them do that work and they've not done their work.

[2:27:20] Voice 28: So if you want to take sort of a lesser option,

[2:27:23] Voice 28: I think we could absorb sort of the administrivia of it.

[2:27:27] Voice 28: But if this is our future,

[2:27:30] Voice 28: this is best probably to consider

[2:27:33] Voice 28: consider what the full costs would be and so yes you're right it is intended to be an ongoing

[2:27:43] Voice 28: process.

[2:27:44] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah and then yeah like my concern is just we there's so many demands on us and we

[2:27:51] Trustee Busheikin: add staff but we haven't added a lot of planning staff as I understand over the last 10 years or

[2:27:57] Trustee Busheikin: so and I hardly

[2:27:59] Voice 28: any yeah

[2:28:00] Trustee Busheikin: and I feel like that is supposed to be our core function and I certainly

[2:28:03] Trustee Busheikin: I understand that Denman perhaps is in a particularly uniquely low dip in our planning services, but it could happen anywhere in the trust.

[2:28:15] Trustee Busheikin: And planning is how we fulfill our mandate.

[2:28:19] Trustee Busheikin: So I'm just worried about money going away to other staffing when I think we actually need several more planners, for sure.

[2:28:28] Trustee Busheikin: And we will be talking about that next step budgeting as we go into the next budget cycle.

[2:28:33] Trustee Busheikin: But is it possible, like, I wonder, like, if we go forward with this, is it possible, for instance, for an LTC to decide that trustees will attend every second meeting and perhaps planners and we'll sort of boost every other meeting as a in-person meeting and then have every other meeting as a primarily electronic meeting?

[2:29:03] Trustee Busheikin: that yes there'll be a space open because it has to be um but um because that's what i've heard

[2:29:10] Trustee Busheikin: most from constituents that a lot of them really like the zoom format um and they they've said well

[2:29:16] Trustee Busheikin: what can you alternate um is that something that we could do in the future well you're describing

[2:29:23] Voice 28: you're describing one of the bleakest outcomes that i can imagine and that means we're gonna

[2:29:32] Voice 28: to you know think of no one in the country no one in the continent is hosting 13 different

[2:29:46] Voice 28: integrated municipal halls at one time so it's a it's going to be a real challenge like

[2:29:51] Voice 28: um i don't know how well we'll do this i mean mark keeps telling me it's going to be no problem but

[2:29:57] Voice 28: this is a challenging

[2:29:59] Voice 28: Challenging.

[2:30:00] Voice 28: concept because you know you know each one of these something goes wrong somewhere along the

[2:30:04] Voice 28: line um all this equipment can be in different places i think overall the net benefit will be

[2:30:11] Voice 28: of worth if you believe it's the case and the other thing you've introduced is it's not in

[2:30:17] Voice 28: this report is each ltc going you know what we only want to do this we only want to have live

[2:30:23] Voice 28: meetings or we only want to have that you know one thing that's sort of a custom menu option

[2:30:31] Voice 28: this was as detailed as I could get without knowing what those things could possibly be

[2:30:39] Voice 28: and could we do it yes but that just takes more administration to make or some administration

[2:30:46] Voice 28: certainly to customize that. Mark do you think we can customize you know because what's being

[2:30:53] Voice 28: asked for is not a customization on a geography but also both that and a customization on a

[2:31:00] Voice 28: different problem you know each ltc having different practices one week on one week off

[2:31:05] Voice 28: or something like that

[2:31:06] Voice 10: i think there's there's even more to it not to complicate it any more

[2:31:10] Voice 10: than it already is but the reality is that lots of these venues where ltcs are being held don't

[2:31:16] Voice 10: have the connectivity that are required so um you know we've we're doing what we can to facilitate

[2:31:22] Voice 10: that. We've reached out to TELUS in particular and asked them to see what the options are to

[2:31:30] Voice 10: improve connectivity throughout all the venues. We provided a list of venues to them and we're

[2:31:35] Voice 10: going to attempt to encourage the venue holders, owners to improve their connectivity so that we

[2:31:41] Voice 10: can improve our platform ultimately. But yeah, I think ultimately flexibility is what we'd like

[2:31:48] Voice 10: to build into this model um the reality is that we have to be flexible and i think in my opinion

[2:31:54] Voice 10: that the only way that you can maintain that level of flexibility is if you have some individual

[2:31:58] Voice 10: who's individually responsible for all these meetings and that's my opinion

[2:32:03] Voice 32: yeah the danger

[2:32:06] Voice 32: would be

[2:32:06] Voice 28: if you if you say only half of us want it or something like that and then you say just

[2:32:13] Voice 28: to absorb the extra work right right right

[2:32:19] Trustee Busheikin: so just one more just to make sure i understand

[2:32:22] Trustee Busheikin: if an if overall we want this and maybe some ltcs will think well there's no way the connectivity

[2:32:29] Trustee Busheikin: on my island is good enough my venue isn't good enough my constituents aren't going to like it

[2:32:34] Trustee Busheikin: sure there might be an option for some ltcs to just have in-person meetings if that's all they

[2:32:42] Trustee Busheikin: could do but that we have to go ahead as an organization to empower this or or not um but

[2:32:50] Trustee Busheikin: there isn't another option number four that's there's a different kind of hybrid with ltc's

[2:32:56] Trustee Busheikin: opting in and out which isn't what i was even thinking of but yeah

[2:32:59] Voice 28: the only the only fourth

[2:33:00] Voice 28: option would be um polling the islands and going specifically what does each island want to do

[2:33:07] Voice 28: but that would change

[2:33:09] Trustee Busheikin: every year anyways

[2:33:10] Voice 28: and they're going to change their mind and um so

[2:33:15] Voice 28: that that would be the concern associated with that yeah

[2:33:19] Trustee Busheikin: totally okay thanks okay

[2:33:21] Voice 30: and co it's

[2:33:22] Voice 30: not unreasonable to consider that implementing this at this time that it will evolve as we learn

[2:33:28] Voice 30: but i think the this the situation what's to be seriously considered here is this is a mechanism

[2:33:36] Voice 30: to put a plan in place for when the emergency order

[2:33:40] Voice 30: is going to be lifted, which is very soon.

[2:33:42] Voice 30: Which is imminent.

[2:33:42] Voice 30: Yeah, we need

[2:33:43] Voice 30: to have something in place.

[2:33:45] Voice 30: So let me continue.

[2:33:47] Voice 30: The list of speakers continues to get longer.

[2:33:50] Voice 30: And of course, time runs out.

[2:33:52] Voice 30: So let's keep that in mind.

[2:33:54] Voice 30: If somebody has already addressed what you wanted to ask,

[2:33:57] Voice 30: I'll ask you to move along.

[2:33:59] Voice 30: So I've got Fast, Johnson, Dunstan, Brent.

[2:34:04] Voice 30: Brent, I think I saw Colburn up there, and I see Scott up there.

[2:34:08] Voice 30: Go ahead.

[2:34:10] Voice 30: Thank you.

[2:34:12] Trustee Fast: Thank you, Chair.

[2:34:13] Trustee Fast: I am delighted to see these recommendations here, and I'll be moving these motions in a minute that I see that are recommended.

[2:34:21] Trustee Fast: ended um when i joined the islands trust uh back in the end of 2014 or whenever that was i saw a

[2:34:29] Trustee Fast: go to meeting was um an app that was available on our ipads i don't believe we ever did use that or

[2:34:37] Trustee Fast: i i wasn't part of that um but i was

[2:34:40] Voice 29: enthusiastic did we yeah okay

[2:34:43] Trustee Fast: so we've been doing online

[2:34:46] Trustee Fast: online meetings for a while. I've been, sorry if I didn't notice, because I've been doing

[2:34:50] Trustee Fast: online meetings in my other work all the time since I joined the trust. So I'm enthusiastic

[2:34:56] Trustee Fast: about the many aspects of online meetings that I think we're seeing the benefits of.

[2:35:03] Trustee Fast: And specifically to the Islands Trust, now we're at the point where the public is

[2:35:10] Trustee Fast: is joining us in our meetings and participating,

[2:35:14] Trustee Fast: that public participation side of it in democracy,

[2:35:18] Trustee Fast: which is great.

[2:35:19] Trustee Fast: And we've had, I've seen a couple of other benefits

[2:35:23] Trustee Fast: that others than people have mentioned already,

[2:35:26] Trustee Fast: more accessibility for those who are home with little kids

[2:35:29] Trustee Fast: or don't have another way to,

[2:35:34] Trustee Fast: don't feel comfortable in coming to an open meeting

[2:35:37] Trustee Fast: where something um is being discussed they might feel safer um we've had uh uh i think there's a

[2:35:45] Trustee Fast: little more civility in some of the meetings that i was expecting uh which is great i don't know if

[2:35:50] Trustee Fast: that's um other people feel the same i think it's transparent more people can watch us in

[2:35:55] Trustee Fast: the recordings uh than they could before um i think we can have guests we've had guest speakers

[2:36:03] Trustee Fast: experts pop in um regional district directors uh that we might want to collaborate in i think it's

[2:36:11] Trustee Fast: more um um the the it's more open to those conversations in public um uh more conversations

[2:36:20] Trustee Fast: and more publicly uh conversations and um of course there's the saving of the planning staff

[2:36:27] Trustee Fast: time um which i think is really significant as we try and get more ocps and the long range

[2:36:33] Trustee Fast: planning uh happening um so trustee first

[2:36:37] Voice 30: um i apologize but you might be speaking in favor of

[2:36:41] Voice 30: a motion rather than asking some questions and um i'd like to contain that speaking in favor of the

[2:36:47] Voice 30: motion to the debate on when the motion's on the table good point okay very

[2:36:51] Trustee Fast: good i'm going to put

[2:36:52] Trustee Fast: the motions on the table i'd like to move that trust council recommend that option three which

[2:36:57] Trustee Fast: provides for the development of a hybrid meeting capability for local trust committees meetings

[2:37:02] Trustee Fast: and consisting of a fully interactive electronic capacity

[2:37:07] Trustee Fast: and an in-person capacity be approved?

[2:37:11] Trustee Fast: Can I do them all three?

[2:37:13] Voice 30: Oh, let's do one at a time.

[2:37:15] Voice 30: Okay.

[2:37:18] Voice 30: Yeah, let's do one at a time.

[2:37:20] Voice 30: So that's moved.

[2:37:21] Voice 30: Do I have a seconder for the motion?

[2:37:24] Voice 30: Trustee Bishaykin, I see his hand has gone up.

[2:37:27] Voice 30: There's all kinds of hands up, so it's difficult to see.

[2:37:30] Voice 30: So is that, I'm going to assume, Trustee Bishaykin,

[2:37:32] Voice 30: that you are voting in favor or seconding the motion.

[2:37:37] Voice 30: And now this is where it gets tricky

[2:37:40] Voice 30: because I've got one, two, three, four, five people

[2:37:43] Voice 30: that had their hands up before the motion

[2:37:44] Voice 30: and up on the floor.

[2:37:45] Voice 30: And maybe they were all going to make the motion,

[2:37:47] Voice 30: I don't know.

[2:37:48] Voice 30: But now what I'd like to do is go to discussion

[2:37:53] Voice 30: on the motion.

[2:37:54] Voice 30: And I think what I want to do is in being inclined

[2:37:57] Voice 30: to start with the list that I had to ask them

[2:38:01] Voice 30: if they want to speak to the motion and if not then i'll move on to the next one and then look

[2:38:06] Voice 30: for new people to raise their hands and unless i see anybody's concerned about that i think that's

[2:38:12] Voice 30: fair to acknowledge those that had some remarks so i

[2:38:16] Voice 30: don't see anybody saying no don't do that

[2:38:18] Voice 30: so i'm going to go to trustee johnson or well it's well and fast did you want to speak any

[2:38:24] Voice 30: further to your motion i apologize the

[2:38:27] Trustee Fast: only last thing i was going to say is um i think that

[2:38:30] Trustee Fast: there this is part of building back better and um we might as well take advantage of everybody being

[2:38:37] Trustee Fast: uh online now and move forward and evolve with that i think that's good for the future of the

[2:38:43] Trustee Fast: trust and also some venues already have equipment and i think that will be evolving as well so it's

[2:38:49] Trustee Fast: good to have the flexibility thank you okay

[2:38:52] Voice 30: thank you trustee johnson you're next if you want to

[2:38:56] Voice 30: speak to

[2:38:57] Trustee Johnston: the motion i actually have a question that i need to have answered before i can

[2:39:02] Trustee Johnston: support the motion or vote against it i think okay

[2:39:07] Voice 30: go ahead ask your question

[2:39:08] Trustee Johnston: and my understanding is

[2:39:10] Trustee Johnston: that that the meeting has to have a venue does a luskete island local trust committee venue have

[2:39:16] Trustee Johnston: to be on luskete it has to be in a public place and it has to be a place where people can attend

[2:39:23] Trustee Johnston: that in the past we have had a Lusketia Island local trust committee where the venue was

[2:39:29] Trustee Johnston: I don't remember if it was the Gabriela office or the Victoria office but it was announced and

[2:39:34] Trustee Johnston: people could go there that's true my

[2:39:39] Voice 28: understanding is that that would continue you would be able to

[2:39:42] Voice 28: do some version of that okay

[2:39:44] Trustee Johnston: and my second part is that a local government official has to be

[2:39:50] Trustee Johnston: be present. Would that include trustees? Would that include minute takers? Or does it take a

[2:39:56] Trustee Johnston: planner or a full-time or part-time employee of the Island's Trust? No,

[2:40:02] Voice 28: it's not an elected

[2:40:03] Voice 28: official. It substantially means someone in a position like myself or Carmen or David,

[2:40:10] Voice 28: sort of an officer or Julia, an officer of the organization or their designate. And in our case,

[2:40:17] Voice 28: we use the planners to be those officials okay

[2:40:20] Trustee Johnston: but but we could as i understand it have the

[2:40:23] Trustee Johnston: designated place be one of the trust offices where and one of the officers or employees could be

[2:40:31] Trustee Johnston: there government officials that is my

[2:40:34] Voice 28: understanding right now i i you know so that is our working

[2:40:37] Voice 28: premise we've actually used that in the past um for meetings um and so i'd say 98 that two percent

[2:40:48] Voice 28: i just hold off because uh we're yet to see bill 10 and the exact language there yeah thank you

[2:40:56] Voice 30: so yeah we regularly hold meetings for the belenus island group outside of the trust area so

[2:41:01] Voice 30: So presently that's allowed.

[2:41:04] Voice 30: But Bill 10 is the factor.

[2:41:06] Voice 30: Trustee Brent, you're next.

[2:41:08] Voice 30: So Turner

[2:41:08] Voice 11: Islanders to speak to the motion.

[2:41:10] Voice 11: I'll speak to the motion.

[2:41:12] Voice 11: Sure.

[2:41:12] Voice 11: I'm not going to support the motion.

[2:41:15] Voice 11: And I have a couple of concerns.

[2:41:16] Voice 11: First is the, and I think it was brought up by Trustee Bouchakin, that we're hiring additional staff.

[2:41:24] Voice 11: Now, I understand we've been using staff ad hoc.

[2:41:27] Voice 11: so now we're going to hire additional staff so that the ad hoc staff will all go back to doing

[2:41:35] Voice 11: their regular job from my perspective that's adding another full-time staff member to this

[2:41:42] Voice 11: organization and the other thing I understand as well is that it's considered bad practice

[2:41:48] Voice 11: practice to use surplus funds to fund ongoing operations, and a permanent staff member is

[2:41:57] Voice 11: ongoing operation. I'm not necessarily against this idea over the long term, but

[2:42:06] Voice 11: right in the heat of the moment, I am. I also have a local interest in that we've had almost no one

[2:42:13] Voice 11: attend our electronic meetings.

[2:42:16] Voice 11: So from the perspective, my narrow perspective

[2:42:19] Voice 11: in respect of Saturna,

[2:42:21] Voice 11: there's no value to this at this time.

[2:42:24] Voice 11: So I, specifically because I really disprove

[2:42:28] Voice 11: of using surplus for an ongoing activity,

[2:42:32] Voice 11: I'm not going to vote for this.

[2:42:34] Voice 30: Okay, thank

[2:42:35] Voice 11: you, Trustee Grant.

[2:42:36] Voice 30: Trustee Scott, do you wish to speak to the motion?

[2:42:46] Voice 30: I'm going to be Trustee Scott one more time.

[2:42:50] Voice 30: your hand is up all

[2:42:53] Trustee Scott: right can you hear me i'm having trouble with it okay there we go sorry

[2:42:57] Trustee Scott: i'm gonna i'm speaking against the motion um i think we get more people on her and beyond it

[2:43:03] Trustee Scott: at regular meetings that we do under the zoom um i think people are zoomed out i kind of like the

[2:43:09] Trustee Scott: way uh maybe we could look at this a year from now when all this stuff's kind of quietened down

[2:43:14] Trustee Scott: we need planners laura made that point and i absolutely agree i i think more people doing

[2:43:21] Trustee Scott: this electronic stuff uh i just don't agree with it when ninety thousand dollars would go a long

[2:43:27] Trustee Scott: way to hiring another planet planner and that's what we need every one of the applications on

[2:43:31] Trustee Scott: the bottom now says we have more than usual applications and uh that's not true the there's

[2:43:38] Trustee Scott: too many applications coming in that the planners can deal with now we need planners thank you

[2:43:44] Trustee Scott: trustee colburn uh

[2:43:51] Trustee Colbourne: for a change i was not on the speaker's list of my hand wasn't up my points have

[2:43:54] Trustee Colbourne: been made so i'll i'll yield okay

[2:43:56] Voice 30: great thank

[2:43:57] Trustee Colbourne: you um

[2:43:58] Voice 30: trustee critchley i saw your hand up yeah i

[2:44:06] Trustee Critchley: took it down because it was more of a question okay

[2:44:09] Voice 30: and uh are there any other speakers on the

[2:44:13] Voice 30: motion trustee longer ice yeah

[2:44:16] Voice 12: thank you uh uh one of my concerns is if you pass motion one

[2:44:21] Voice 12: do we then automatically have to pass motion two how does that work i mean how because motion two

[2:44:28] Voice 12: has an option reduction of services or using general surplus funds who makes that decision

[2:44:35] Voice 12: i'm not clear on that is that going to be a subsequent decision of trust council so i have

[2:44:42] Voice 12: a concern about them being separate i guess because and also the second one having options

[2:44:48] Voice 12: are within it and that's not clarified as to how it would be carried out

[2:44:54] Voice 30: cao you want to

[2:44:55] Voice 28: yeah i mean all of these really have to pass for this to be a project of the

[2:45:00] Voice 28: islands trust so it could have been one with a b and c um if that's your thinking so um you know

[2:45:07] Voice 28: um i certainly acknowledge that point item two is uh it's kind of over to you i mean how do you want

[2:45:13] Voice 28: to pay for this we we uh outlined the financial implications in the back of the document on i

[2:45:18] Voice 28: think page 89 and your review of that would withhold that you probably could afford out

[2:45:24] Voice 28: of general surplus this year this without incurring some too much risk but there is some risk

[2:45:30] Voice 28: um you could direct us to find monies from other places but also we told you in this report that

[2:45:36] Voice 28: we're pretty close to the bone for the most part um a fair amount of work is being done we're

[2:45:41] Voice 28: reasonably fully staffed there's a couple areas that were a touch over budget that some of the

[2:45:47] Voice 28: under budget functions would cover off so it's not um you know it's how you want to handle it i

[2:45:55] Voice 28: can't make that determination one way or another probably the easiest thing is to is to use the

[2:46:00] Voice 28: surplus but then next year you just like trustee brent indicated that would then become like a um

[2:46:07] Voice 28: in essence a taxable ongoing consideration this is to address the fact that in the next couple

[2:46:15] Voice 28: of months you're going to be having some public meetings and which way you want to conduct those

[2:46:19] Voice 28: public meetings and we're not in control of that timeline when that public um emergency

[2:46:27] Voice 28: or provincial emergency status is lifted we'll probably

[2:46:31] Voice 1: have a little bit of wiggle room but for

[2:46:33] Voice 28: for the most part, we'll be holding public meetings

[2:46:35] Voice 28: and we'll be having them in the way we used to

[2:46:38] Voice 28: or this way here, or one of these three ways.

[2:46:42] Voice 28: And by the way, from an administrative point of view,

[2:46:46] Voice 28: we are, we have, there's no one,

[2:46:50] Voice 28: there's no one way that, you know,

[2:46:52] Voice 28: we recommend this because it's the topical one.

[2:46:55] Voice 28: This is the recommendation if you want to go this route,

[2:46:58] Voice 28: but certainly we could provide the,

[2:47:01] Voice 28: simply the broadcast and post version.

[2:47:04] Voice 28: So it's really up to you.

[2:47:06] Voice 30: Okay, I've got Trustee Morrison

[2:47:08] Voice 30: and Trustee Wolverton on the speakers list.

[2:47:12] Trustee Morrison: I think Trustee Wolverton first.

[2:47:17] Voice 23: I would speak against the motion

[2:47:19] Voice 23: and not because I think because we have,

[2:47:23] Voice 23: we lose a lot by not having in-person meetings

[2:47:28] Voice 23: and I would like us to revert to that as much as possible.

[2:47:33] Voice 23: We have actually had a lot of people tune in

[2:47:36] Voice 23: to our local trust committee meeting so i i would like to look at something that's not as expensive

[2:47:42] Voice 23: i am concerned about this amount of money going into just our uh broadcasting our meeting so i

[2:47:49] Voice 23: i would speak against this particular motion okay

[2:47:55] Voice 30: thank you trustee boucher can i see his

[2:47:57] Voice 30: last hand up i would like to go to the vote if you're ready but not before i think trustee

[2:48:03] Trustee Fast: morrison was before that and trustee rogers

[2:48:05] Voice 30: quite here what her remark there was i assumed that you

[2:48:11] Voice 30: didn't have a question so um did you just want to defer to wolverton is that what you did no i'll

[2:48:18] Trustee Morrison: just go ahead and speak uh against this motion however i would consider option two um i just

[2:48:23] Trustee Morrison: don't think that at this time we can be going out of surplus for a permanent staff position without

[2:48:28] Trustee Morrison: without deeper thought about this.

[2:48:29] Trustee Morrison: And I completely agree with electronic meetings.

[2:48:32] Trustee Morrison: Obviously Pender's one of the highest stats

[2:48:34] Trustee Morrison: for scanning of this,

[2:48:36] Trustee Morrison: but I often see that if people want to speak at meetings,

[2:48:40] Trustee Morrison: they come to the meeting.

[2:48:41] Trustee Morrison: So I'm okay with having option two.

[2:48:43] Trustee Morrison: So I speak against option three

[2:48:44] Trustee Morrison: for the permanent staff issue.

[2:48:46] Voice 30: Okay, thank you.

[2:48:48] Voice 30: And so trustee, be shaken then.

[2:48:50] Voice 30: Oh, and I see also trustee Rogers.

[2:48:54] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, all right.

[2:48:56] Trustee Busheikin: So should I go ahead?

[2:48:59] Trustee Busheikin: oh

[2:49:00] Voice 30: i i trustee rogers you're waving your hand frantically is there something wrong with the

[2:49:05] Voice 30: well

[2:49:05] Trustee Rogers: i'm just wondering why you're not seeing the hands up um i see your hand

[2:49:09] Trustee Rogers: okay well it was up

[2:49:12] Trustee Rogers: long before trustee beshaken's i'm not being i'm not being argumentative i'm just thinking you're

[2:49:16] Trustee Rogers: not seeing them that's all

[2:49:17] Voice 30: okay well maybe i didn't see it initially so i'm sorry sorry for

[2:49:21] Voice 30: that um i'm gonna go with my list that i've got and uh trustee beshaken and then trustee rogers

[2:49:27] Voice 30: okay

[2:49:29] Trustee Busheikin: um uh mine is more of a question just listen like kind of wrestling with this and listening to

[2:49:34] Trustee Busheikin: the conversation um is there i'm just like brainstorming is there another option that

[2:49:41] Trustee Busheikin: could be developed um for the future which would be a scaled down version that would be a pilot

[2:49:47] Trustee Busheikin: project where four ltcs perhaps would volunteer to come forward and do this and it could be a

[2:49:56] Trustee Busheikin: smaller and i like the idea that i believe um trustee johnston suggested that maybe if we made

[2:50:03] Trustee Busheikin: it clear that the the public location would be a trust area islands trust office only um and so

[2:50:13] Trustee Busheikin: it would then be more like a lot of people got used to the zoom meetings and some people like

[2:50:20] Trustee Busheikin: them as they are now and this idea of trying to have a meeting that is both at once it seems so

[2:50:26] Trustee Busheikin: ambitious and complex and if we had it that the public meeting was being held in you know the

[2:50:32] Trustee Busheikin: gabriella office it's been understanding that really this is an electronic meeting but we're

[2:50:38] Trustee Busheikin: you know we do have that public space because we need to and then the ltcs could choose which way

[2:50:44] Trustee Busheikin: and that may sound more complicated but i think it's less complicated in terms of equipment

[2:50:49] Trustee Busheikin: and someone to service that equipment and all of that um so i'm just wondering if this can be

[2:50:55] Trustee Busheikin: rethought and brought back in the future i'm just i'm hearing the same misgivings i had about um

[2:51:02] Trustee Busheikin: moving into another full-time staff position and not knowing where that's being funded

[2:51:10] Voice 30: uh trustee rogers and i apologize for not seeing your hand earlier we're trying a new technique

[2:51:15] Voice 30: here today and i'm realizing that's not working well so i'm actually shifting back to the old

[2:51:19] Voice 30: technique and i know i

[2:51:21] Trustee Rogers: apologize for waving my hands but i was thinking you weren't seeing because

[2:51:24] Trustee Rogers: because you weren't off, you weren't saying my name.

[2:51:28] Trustee Rogers: So-

[2:51:29] Trustee Rogers: Trustee

[2:51:29] Voice 30: Rogers, Trustee Johnston.

[2:51:31] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[2:51:33] Trustee Rogers: So, you know, it's interesting.

[2:51:35] Trustee Rogers: I mean, frankly, I tend to agree

[2:51:37] Trustee Rogers: with Trustee Morrison on this one.

[2:51:42] Trustee Rogers: We had this discussion and I sort of got the sense

[2:51:45] Trustee Rogers: that trustees would say, well,

[2:51:47] Trustee Rogers: now that we've seen how it works interactively,

[2:51:49] Trustee Rogers: we won't want to go back.

[2:51:51] Trustee Rogers: But I think I may have misread some of that.

[2:51:54] Trustee Rogers: And that trustees seem to be content with simply broadcasting at this point anyway, until a different model can be developed that perhaps is more optional and also perhaps of a lower cost.

[2:52:09] Trustee Rogers: And I'm totally fine with that. And, you know, I do think that some members of the public are going to go, I'm not ready to go back to an in-person meeting so close to the end of the pandemic or the state of emergency.

[2:52:24] Trustee Rogers: emergency um and i guess the just so we're clear and i'm supportive of this is that if we vote down

[2:52:30] Trustee Rogers: uh option the expensive option that means that people will be able to see and hear us

[2:52:35] Trustee Rogers: but won't be able to participate um unless they come to the meeting in person which i'm i and i

[2:52:42] Trustee Rogers: and i you know i am not concerned about my local trust area i am as much as i am concerned about

[2:52:48] Trustee Rogers: the ones that i'm the vice chair for as to whether that's going to be acceptable uh but i'm going to

[2:52:52] Trustee Rogers: to be at the end of the day.

[2:52:53] Trustee Rogers: I think I'm going to be voting against this motion

[2:52:56] Trustee Rogers: and then hoping that someone puts the option two

[2:52:58] Trustee Rogers: on the table, but if nobody else does, I will at that point.

[2:53:03] Voice 30: Okay, thank you.

[2:53:05] Voice 30: I do have trust the Johnston on the speakers,

[2:53:08] Voice 30: but the CA wants to make a remark.

[2:53:11] Voice 30: Yeah, and of course, keep

[2:53:12] Voice 28: in mind as you do this,

[2:53:14] Voice 28: that the fluidity of having staff attend or not attend

[2:53:19] Voice 28: is associated with three.

[2:53:23] Voice 28: and um uh so it's just another piece of the puzzle around how do we get extended expertise at a at a

[2:53:33] Voice 28: otc meeting um you know either um you know someone who has explicit expertise um or not so we're

[2:53:43] Voice 28: always trying to keep that efficiency in mind um and maybe we'd look at ways that we could

[2:53:47] Voice 28: to achieve that um maybe just you know using um call-in or phone or something like that if you

[2:53:53] Voice 28: choose a lesser option but believe but we are very conscious of having the efficiency of having

[2:53:58] Voice 28: multiple staff people attend a meeting without the physical attendance of all those staff at that

[2:54:03] Voice 28: meeting thanks mr chair

[2:54:05] Voice 30: thank you um trustee johnson thank

[2:54:09] Trustee Johnston: you i i very much will uh be sorry

[2:54:13] Trustee Johnston: if this doesn't pass.

[2:54:14] Trustee Johnston: I think to go back to the old way of meeting in person,

[2:54:18] Trustee Johnston: to have to travel.

[2:54:19] Trustee Johnston: I mean, for a local trust committee,

[2:54:21] Trustee Johnston: it takes me 20 minutes.

[2:54:22] Trustee Johnston: I can go on my scooter or my bicycle.

[2:54:25] Trustee Johnston: But to travel to trust council meetings

[2:54:27] Trustee Johnston: and to be there for four days,

[2:54:30] Trustee Johnston: as it takes me to have trust staff come to Liskety

[2:54:34] Trustee Johnston: to have everybody that needs to be involved in a meeting

[2:54:39] Trustee Johnston: to actually have to attend the meeting.

[2:54:41] Trustee Johnston: we used to try by telephone and it worked a little bit but not well i i just will be really

[2:54:48] Trustee Johnston: sorry if this motion doesn't pass either now or very soon thank you hey

[2:54:55] Voice 30: trustee johnson and i see

[2:54:56] Voice 30: trustee fenton's hand up and trustee allen and i can't help but think it's four o'clock which is

[2:55:05] Voice 30: when we were planning on the journey today so we've got a lot of business ahead of us trustee

[2:55:11] Voice 30: Trustee Fenton, over to you.

[2:55:12] Voice 30: I

[2:55:13] Trustee Fenton: just speak in favor of,

[2:55:15] Trustee Fenton: and Trustee Faust covered most of the ideas.

[2:55:21] Trustee Fenton: I think we should be building,

[2:55:22] Trustee Fenton: looking at building resilience into these lessons.

[2:55:26] Trustee Fenton: And we've, you know, the learning curves that been there,

[2:55:29] Trustee Fenton: we've got there.

[2:55:30] Trustee Fenton: Let's capitalize on this and run with it.

[2:55:35] Trustee Fenton: Starting again at a year or 18 months

[2:55:38] Trustee Fenton: and having to backtrack,

[2:55:40] Trustee Fenton: I think would be a waste of time and money as well.

[2:55:44] Trustee Fenton: Thank you.

[2:55:47] Voice 30: Thank you.

[2:55:48] Voice 30: And so the next speaker here,

[2:55:52] Voice 30: I'm looking for a hand up.

[2:55:55] Voice 30: Who was that that was hands up?

[2:55:57] Voice 30: Trustee Allen.

[2:55:58] Voice 30: Oh, there you go, Trustee Allen.

[2:56:00] Voice 30: It's interesting that the blue sky backgrounds

[2:56:02] Voice 30: make it difficult to see the hand.

[2:56:04] Voice 30: So blue sky background, Trustee Allen.

[2:56:07] Trustee Allen: Okay, blue sky background here.

[2:56:09] Trustee Allen: I just question of clarification,

[2:56:10] Trustee Allen: clarification um trustee johnson just mentioned trust council meetings and ltc meetings i'm under

[2:56:16] Trustee Allen: the impression this is just for local trust committee meetings right this first motion

[2:56:20] Trustee Allen: you do not mention trust council meetings only trust meetings local trust meetings clarification

[2:56:27] Voice 28: it's essentially for everything well

[2:56:29] Trustee Allen: then i think i think it should be reworded because i think it's

[2:56:32] Trustee Allen: confusing it doesn't say trust council because i've been looking at it as trust council local

[2:56:38] Trustee Allen: trust meetings all the time in terms of how i'm going to vote um

[2:56:43] Voice 28: if you pass one we can do trust

[2:56:46] Voice 28: council meetings meaning we would have all the technology that would allow us to do that so you

[2:56:53] Voice 28: know essentially your decision is the the dominant decision right now is the ltc meeting question

[2:57:00] Trustee Allen: yeah because i will say i vote for different for trust council and differential local trust

[2:57:04] Trustee Allen: meetings that's all i'll say thank you good

[2:57:18] Voice 30: question um presently i think local trust

[2:57:21] Voice 30: trust committee meetings is the thing we're trying to determine because that's what we're

[2:57:27] Voice 30: going to be moving into in the most immediate situation with returning to in-person meetings

[2:57:33] Voice 30: under the present system. And you'll note that the third motion here does say amending bylaws

[2:57:43] Voice 30: for council and local trust committees. So I think as the CEO has said, the intention

[2:57:50] Voice 30: is for all meetings,

[2:57:52] Voice 30: but this is specifically for local trust committees.

[2:57:55] Voice 30: And there isn't, we haven't differentiated

[2:57:57] Voice 30: between them at this point.

[2:57:59] Voice 30: So this motion has been moved and seconded.

[2:58:03] Voice 30: I'm looking to see if there are any other hands up.

[2:58:06] Voice 30: Grove and Critchley.

[2:58:07] Voice 30: I see Grove and Critchley and Critchley, sorry,

[2:58:12] Voice 30: Critchley and then Grove

[2:58:14] Voice 30: based upon the electronic ordering I have here.

[2:58:17] Voice 30: So gentlemen, Trustee Critchley.

[2:58:22] Trustee Critchley: Thank you very much. I've been going back and forth on this. I did want to ask a question earlier, but I think now I'm in favor of this. I think we should proceed with this because I can see that in the future, we're going to save enough money, whether there's the potential for saving enough money to offset these additional costs.

[2:58:45] Trustee Critchley: You know, if we, for example, had half our trust council meetings done via Zoom, the travel costs saved from that would probably go a long way towards funding this.

[2:59:02] Trustee Critchley: I also see a potential for saving money for LTC meetings.

[2:59:07] Trustee Critchley: meetings, the question that I was going to pose was about, is there an absolute necessity to have

[2:59:15] Trustee Critchley: a planner in attendance at every local trust committee meeting? If we could just have the

[2:59:23] Trustee Critchley: minute taker person who is trained to set this up, then I'm not really seeing the necessity for

[2:59:28] Trustee Critchley: always having a planner there. And that would save a tremendous amount of planner time if they didn't

[2:59:33] Trustee Critchley: have to uh have travel time going to these uh far-flung meetings all the time so i'm in favor

[2:59:40] Trustee Critchley: of this thank

[2:59:42] Voice 30: you um who have i got now i got trustee grove and then rogers i

[2:59:51] Trustee Grove: just wish to add

[2:59:52] Trustee Grove: to um trustee allen i agree with what he said completely one ltc's um is one thing the trust

[3:00:00] Trustee Grove: solicit from another and we should not mix the two together thank you trustee

[3:00:05] Voice 29: rogers i'm

[3:00:07] Trustee Rogers: sorry i'm not

[3:00:07] Trustee Rogers: i'm i'm like trustee critchley i'm sort of going back and forth now um can i just ask one more

[3:00:13] Trustee Rogers: point of clarification is if we

[3:00:15] Trustee Rogers: if we turn this down or if we don't if we go with like option two

[3:00:19] Trustee Rogers: which is purely broadcast and someone from your regional district wants to join the meeting they

[3:00:25] Trustee Rogers: They would have to come to the meeting.

[3:00:26] Trustee Rogers: If we needed a specialty planner or phone in, that would be their only option.

[3:00:32] Trustee Rogers: Or if William Shulbaugh needs to come, his only option would be to come or phone in.

[3:00:38] Trustee Rogers: We need to have the interactivity to have other people other than people on the island and whoever staff are there.

[3:00:45] Trustee Rogers: Am I correct about that, CAO Hudson-Piller?

[3:00:49] Voice 28: Generally, you are correct.

[3:00:51] Voice 28: and

[3:00:52] Trustee Rogers: that was what you were referring to when you said this will give us the flexibility where if

[3:00:57] Trustee Rogers: we have four reports from four different staff they don't have to go to the meetings right one

[3:01:02] Trustee Rogers: one staff could go and three others could report in electronically that's

[3:01:06] Voice 28: right yeah

[3:01:07] Trustee Rogers: um i i i i

[3:01:12] Trustee Rogers: and and as i understand it option one which is the cheaper version of option three the problem

[3:01:20] Trustee Rogers: with option one is it does it requires the continuation of of the burden on the planning

[3:01:27] Trustee Rogers: assistance that's been in present for the last 15 months is that right and we

[3:01:33] Trustee Rogers: don't have a way

[3:01:34] Voice 28: to get the equipment right to the ltc meeting except by the vice chair so it's a fair amount

[3:01:43] Voice 28: of equipment so how do all four vice chairs move that equipment around and then set it up

[3:01:53] Voice 28: arriving five minutes before the meeting starts on a ferry um so it's a it's a measure of trying

[3:02:01] Voice 28: to find as much certainty in a system that's got tons of complexity so one of the ways to

[3:02:07] Voice 28: have certainty is to have the most equipment stationary in the most places that we can afford

[3:02:14] Voice 28: So that would be on Galeano Island or Gabriola Island.

[3:02:20] Voice 28: There would be a kit there that the minute taker would shepherd and it would be ready for the vice chair to walk into.

[3:02:25] Voice 28: If you go with option one, yeah, we're absorbing the running of those meetings with administrative staff.

[3:02:35] Voice 28: So you're making sort of that consideration.

[3:02:38] Voice 28: And we don't know really how to physically move this stuff around.

[3:02:42] Voice 28: so it's those

[3:02:43] Trustee Rogers: two big concerns so i'm i'll just finish my comment then i'm coming around to voting

[3:02:49] Trustee Rogers: for option one however i really think that number two needs to go and be worked through again and

[3:02:55] Trustee Rogers: figure out a way to do it without without going to um uh without going into our surplus and not

[3:03:02] Trustee Rogers: the amount of money that's that's involved and that that seems to be what most people are

[3:03:06] Trustee Rogers: are concerned about is taking money away from other resources or taking out a surplus at this

[3:03:12] Trustee Rogers: at this point in the process and i wonder if we could i guess i'm leaning towards passing

[3:03:18] Trustee Rogers: one and referring number two and three back for other alternatives i don't know but is

[3:03:25] Trustee Rogers: that a question not to me no that wasn't a question okay thank you what's the contingency

[3:03:31] Voice 30: plan if the um i know there's not one but what would the contingency plan be if the emergency

[3:03:37] Voice 30: measures was lifted tomorrow we would go to

[3:03:40] Voice 28: we could still over as i understand that there'd be

[3:03:44] Voice 28: some interregnum or some transition period i heard it was three months but then i heard it was july

[3:03:50] Voice 28: 31st

[3:03:51] Voice 32: um

[3:03:52] Voice 28: where we could continue to have electronic meetings but once that's over we would then be

[3:03:57] Voice 28: reverting to if we don't have the technical capability to conduct those meetings we'd just

[3:04:05] Voice 30: Yes, trustees, council, are you ready to conduct a vote?

[3:04:09] Voice 30: I don't see any hands up.

[3:04:12] Voice 30: That's a very purposeful question.

[3:04:15] Voice 30: And I see Trustee Allen's hand up, hand is down again.

[3:04:24] Voice 30: Okay, I'm gonna then call the vote on the motion,

[3:04:29] Voice 30: which was on the screen, but ostensibly,

[3:04:31] Voice 30: it's the first motion listed on your page 79 of the RFD.

[3:04:38] Voice 30: Dee, please raise your electronic hand.

[3:04:42] Voice 30: All those in favor.

[3:04:57] Voice 30: Nine in favor.

[3:04:59] Voice 30: 10 including myself.

[3:05:00] Voice 30: Okay.

[3:05:02] Voice 30: I can't figure out how to raise

[3:05:04] Voice 29: my hand here.

[3:05:05] Voice 29: So I've got in.

[3:05:08] Voice 29: So everybody leave your hand up please.

[3:05:14] Voice 30: Sorry, we're starting again.

[3:05:17] Voice 30: So everybody's hands up in favor.

[3:05:19] Voice 30: So that would, so Carmen, you've got that?

[3:05:22] Voice 30: Yes, nine in favor and 10 including you.

[3:05:24] Voice 30: With me, yeah, okay.

[3:05:25] Voice 29: Okay, so then please lower your hand

[3:05:35] Voice 29: and now raise your hand if you're opposed.

[3:05:40] Voice 29: So

[3:05:49] Voice 14: I have nine opposed,

[3:05:50] Voice 14: but we should have 22 people voting.

[3:05:54] Voice 30: Right, so you folks realize nine hands.

[3:05:58] Voice 30: Dodds has got her hand up.

[3:06:00] Voice 30: Dodds.

[3:06:01] Voice 30: Okay, Dodds.

[3:06:02] Voice 28: Thank

[3:06:02] Voice 30: you, Janine.

[3:06:03] Voice 30: 23 people then.

[3:06:05] Voice 30: Morrison's gone.

[3:06:06] Voice 32: Oh, sorry.

[3:06:07] Voice 30: Pardon me, please keep your hands up

[3:06:10] Voice 30: while we're counting votes here and i so janine dodds has her hand raised on the screen

[3:06:16] Voice 30: we have nine hands raised electronically so that makes ten however um with all trustees present

[3:06:27] Voice 30: um that would be another uh 18 that would be another four votes in favor um because

[3:06:36] Voice 30: because there's no abstain and I would.

[3:06:39] Voice 30: So then this would carry.

[3:06:41] Voice 30: So what the CEO now is looking at me and recommending

[3:06:44] Voice 30: is that I do a roll call.

[3:06:47] Voice 30: I think

[3:06:47] Voice 18: a number of people have left, point of order,

[3:06:49] Voice 18: the number of people have left.

[3:06:51] Voice 30: One person has advised us that they've left.

[3:06:53] Voice 30: I'm gonna do a roll call.

[3:06:55] Voice 30: That's the best thing to do.

[3:06:57] Voice 30: So please say in favor of using your voice

[3:07:02] Voice 30: when I call your name, Alex Allen.

[3:07:07] Trustee Allen: I'm not in favor.

[3:07:10] Voice 30: Trustee Brent?

[3:07:12] Trustee Allen: I'm here and not in favor.

[3:07:14] Voice 30: Trustee Beshaken?

[3:07:21] Trustee Allen: Trustee Beshaken?

[3:07:24] Trustee Busheikin: Sorry, I'm not in favor.

[3:07:28] Voice 30: Trustee Coburn?

[3:07:29] Voice 30: In favor.

[3:07:31] Voice 30: Trustee Critchley?

[3:07:34] Trustee Critchley: In favor.

[3:07:36] Voice 30: Trustee Dodds?

[3:07:38] Voice 30: Yeah, I see your voice there in your hand.

[3:07:40] Voice 30: It was up earlier. Thank you.

[3:07:41] Voice 30: Not in favor.

[3:07:43] Voice 28: not in favor not

[3:07:45] Voice 30: trustee not in favor not in favor good for clarity i'm glad somebody's watching

[3:07:51] Voice 30: sue ellen fast in

[3:07:54] Trustee Fast: favor uh

[3:07:57] Voice 29: doug senton in favor uh peter grove against say again against

[3:08:09] Trustee Grove: uh

[3:08:13] Voice 30: trustee johnson in favor

[3:08:15] Voice 30: after you're on top of this yeah trustee kale he's not here

[3:08:27] Voice 30: uh so not here so he's not part of the quorum uh trustee langer eyes in favor uh peter lockem

[3:08:35] Voice 30: is in favor uh david maude

[3:08:39] Voice 24: in favor uh

[3:08:42] Voice 30: ben mcconkey is absent so not part of quorum

[3:08:47] Voice 30: uh trustee middleton not

[3:08:50] Trustee Middleton: in favor trustee morrison

[3:08:58] Voice 30: trustee morrison he's locked

[3:09:01] Voice 30: okay absent so out of quorum trustee patrick in

[3:09:07] Trustee Patrick: favor thank you

[3:09:10] Voice 30: uh trustee peterson opposed against okay uh trustee rockefeller in

[3:09:22] Voice 20: favor thank you

[3:09:24] Voice 30: trustee rogers in

[3:09:26] Trustee Rogers: favor thank

[3:09:27] Voice 30: you trustee scott not

[3:09:30] Trustee Scott: in favor thank

[3:09:31] Voice 30: you trustee stamford i support

[3:09:35] Voice 30: thank you trustee thorne i think is absent not part of quorum that's

[3:09:43] Voice 30: for that makes the difference jane wolverton not in favor

[3:09:49] Voice 30: not if not not in not in favor and

[3:09:52] Voice 30: And finally, Trustee Wright.

[3:09:55] Voice 4: Not in favor.

[3:09:56] Voice 30: Not in favor.

[3:09:57] Voice 30: So I'm going to turn to Legislative Service Manager,

[3:10:02] Voice 30: Carmen Teal for tally.

[3:10:10] Voice 30: 11 to 11, it's defeated.

[3:10:13] Voice 30: 11 to 11.

[3:10:14] Voice 30: So 11 to 11, so that fails as it's not a majority.

[3:10:21] Voice 30: And here we are.

[3:10:24] Voice 30: So therefore now,

[3:10:29] Voice 30: IT SEEMS MOVING TO THE NEXT RECOMMENDATION HERE WOULD BE OUT OF ORDER.

[3:10:34] Voice 30: IS THERE AN ALTERNATE MOTION PROPOSED FOR ANY OF THE OTHER OPTIONS OR ALTERNATE MOTION

[3:10:40] Voice 30: OF ANY KIND?

[3:10:41] Voice 30: AND I SEE TRUSTEE BRENT AND TRUSTEE SCOTT HAVE THEIR HANDS UP.

[3:10:47] Voice 30: I'M NOT SURE IF THOSE ARE LEFT OVER, BUT I'M LOOKING FOR YOU'RE NOT IN YOUR HEAD, TRUSTEE

[3:10:53] Voice 30: BRENT.

[3:10:56] Voice 30: HAND IS DOWN.

[3:10:57] Voice 30: are there any alternative motions on this trustee rogers i

[3:11:04] Trustee Rogers: i before i make a motion i have a

[3:11:06] Trustee Rogers: question for the cao given that we've already put in our strategic plan um and approved a budget for

[3:11:12] Trustee Rogers: broadcasting the meetings in any case uh do we need any to prove option if we wanted to option

[3:11:19] Trustee Rogers: two is that a requirement um

[3:11:23] Voice 28: there's a five thousand dollar difference between what was passed

[3:11:27] Voice 28: in the budget, 18,000 some, and the 23,618 that would be required, having refreshed those

[3:11:36] Voice 28: numbers. But certainly we have, we do have direction to broadcast, record, and post only

[3:11:48] Voice 28: previously in the strategic plan. So I think we could proceed on that basis. We are $5,000

[3:11:56] Voice 28: dollars short but um you know i'd almost turn to director moz whether we need to find that five

[3:12:03] Voice 28: thousand dollars here by direction trust council or whether we could um absorb that and see where

[3:12:09] Voice 28: we are later on in the year i suspect we could do that okay

[3:12:16] Voice 30: so i'm looking for a motion julia

[3:12:21] Voice 28: doesn't rarely like that answer when i provide but uh she's smiling at least so so i've got

[3:12:33] Voice 30: Yeah,

[3:12:34] Trustee Busheikin: thank you. And I am unmuted this time. This is a question. So now that we're at this

[3:12:40] Trustee Busheikin: spot, we just defeated that. What does that mean for electronic trust council meetings going into

[3:12:48] Trustee Busheikin: the future? Not LTCs, but trust council?

[3:12:53] Voice 28: We will have the legal ability to undertake

[3:12:56] Voice 28: electronic meetings from a trust council perspective. We don't have, I don't know

[3:13:03] Voice 28: whether we have the uh mark would have to come on and say whether or not we have the uh technology

[3:13:10] Voice 28: to provide that um i suspect we might but we would have to amend our electronic meetings regulation

[3:13:19] Voice 28: and our procedures bylaw to allow for that for those meetings so

[3:13:25] Trustee Busheikin: um what i'd like to do and

[3:13:27] Trustee Busheikin: maybe i could do it overnight with a little staff support like i'd like to bring back a motion i'm

[3:13:31] Trustee Busheikin: I'm asking that we go ahead with, you know, I don't know what it is, if it needs to be a business case or that's why I think I need some staff support.

[3:13:43] Trustee Busheikin: I think that we had already talked about, even before COVID, having the option of having some trust councils, one or two per year, let's say, be electronic, the way we have learned that we can do it.

[3:13:57] Trustee Busheikin: And I don't know, but I would expect that the savings in staff time are hopefully equal to what is demanded in staff time to make it happen, in that Laurie doesn't need to do all the organizing and the hotels and the travel plans with the catering, you know, and the savings.

[3:14:19] Trustee Busheikin: and it's it just um i i think that i already understood that there is a will on council to have

[3:14:26] Trustee Busheikin: um fully electronic council meetings still be an option so um that's quite possible

[3:14:33] Voice 28: okay

[3:14:35] Trustee Busheikin: so so is

[3:14:36] Trustee Busheikin: it even needed like do we need a a decision do we need a budget something or is that just something

[3:14:42] Trustee Busheikin: that can happen so initially i

[3:14:44] Voice 28: just asked mark if he's on the call to come in and go you know

[3:14:47] Voice 28: our capability of providing an electronic meeting a lot of the questions that will come from that is

[3:14:53] Voice 28: where do you want to hold that electronic meeting just

[3:14:57] Trustee Busheikin: like we're doing it now exactly the same way

[3:15:00] Voice 28: right so we would have to provide a space for the public to gather and we could certainly do that in

[3:15:06] Voice 28: this location we could do it where half of the trustees meet like in Nanaimo and then use

[3:15:12] Voice 28: something like that um no

[3:15:14] Trustee Busheikin: i think we have something that that we're used to and some of us

[3:15:18] Trustee Busheikin: think works and i just think trying to mix them up makes it harder so i'm just thinking like maybe

[3:15:24] Trustee Busheikin: every second or every third maybe one per term one per year trust council meeting would be as close

[3:15:30] Trustee Busheikin: to how it is now as

[3:15:33] Voice 28: possible the emergency order yeah but no um bill 10 will allow us to do this

[3:15:40] Voice 28: as long

[3:15:40] Voice 28: as we provide exactly this as i understand it it's not out yet yeah but

[3:15:45] Voice 28: um i would feel

[3:15:46] Voice 28: confident that we will be able to at a trust council level undertake an electronic meeting

[3:15:50] Voice 28: and us providing a public space let's say in victoria or anywhere else that's staffed that

[3:15:56] Voice 28: would allow the meeting to carry on okay

[3:15:58] Trustee Busheikin: okay so then no action needs to be taken i don't think so

[3:16:03] Voice 28: mark are you there i

[3:16:05] Voice 10: am there i am here and i would say that based on the budget that we have

[3:16:09] Voice 10: have in front of us for ltc and trust council um i would say that we're short um we've already

[3:16:15] Voice 10: identified that we're technically short about six thousand as you said and i think technology wise

[3:16:22] Voice 10: we haven't even fully bench test tested a technological solution for trust council so

[3:16:28] Voice 10: it's hard for me to answer that precisely but i would say that it appears at this moment that

[3:16:33] Voice 10: were under budget okay

[3:16:35] Voice 28: so um what i suggest is that we then come back with uh a little bit to

[3:16:40] Voice 28: some monies associated with the provision of the trust council side of this thing

[3:16:44] Voice 28: keep in mind if you passed option three we would have had that technology funded

[3:16:48] Voice 28: and that expertise and then the provision of the trust council meeting would have just been a

[3:16:54] Voice 28: matter of amending our regulatory bylaws but given that we're going with this um uh the posted

[3:17:00] Voice 28: approach and broadcast and um then a more focused trust council thing we'll come back with a refined

[3:17:07] Voice 28: budget to executive committee and get us done thanks

[3:17:10] Voice 30: all right so see uh trustee riders has

[3:17:13] Voice 30: his hand up he just put it down but before i go to trustee riders so ceo hospital when are you

[3:17:18] Voice 30: anticipating bringing that back to this meeting because i am cognizant of the fact that we're

[3:17:23] Voice 30: running overtime now and we've still got some business to do here which i would like to get

[3:17:27] Voice 30: done and we have a seven o'clock town hall yeah um i don't think there's any time to do any work

[3:17:32] Voice 30: today

[3:17:33] Voice 28: oh no no no

[3:17:33] Voice 30: i'm talking well there was a

[3:17:35] Voice 30: notion about doing some work overnight but i

[3:17:38] Voice 30: don't see that happening i

[3:17:38] Voice 28: don't think that's required to still

[3:17:40] Voice 28: fulfill the direction i'm

[3:17:42] Voice 28: hearing from uh okay

[3:17:43] Voice 30: so then therefore we can move off of 4.2.2 and move on to the other business

[3:17:51] Voice 30: items on our agenda so council i gotta ask you what is your appetite at 4 19 we're 20 minutes

[3:17:58] Voice 30: past our adjournment we've got three other business items here which uh we can defer them

[3:18:05] Voice 30: to tomorrow but that's going to cut into your time tomorrow we also have a reporting out from

[3:18:10] Voice 30: the select committee um i would like to propose we continue but if there's uh any dissenters

[3:18:17] Voice 30: I would be inclined to end our meeting today

[3:18:21] Voice 30: and come back at seven.

[3:18:23] Voice 30: Can we continue?

[3:18:26] Voice 30: Anybody opposed?

[3:18:28] Voice 30: So I'm not seeing any hands in opposition.

[3:18:31] Voice 30: So I thank you very much council for that.

[3:18:34] Voice 30: And I'm gonna then go to 4.2.3.

[3:18:37] Voice 30: And I believe I'm turning to

[3:18:39] Voice 30: Legislative Services Manager, Carmen Teal

[3:18:41] Voice 30: to present the motion and then see some questions

[3:18:46] Voice 30: and then go for a vote if we can.

[3:18:48] Voice 14: Sure.

[3:18:49] Voice 14: Thank you.

[3:18:51] Voice 14: So I'll try and be as quick as I can about this.

[3:18:54] Voice 14: So this policy has been changed to add select committees

[3:19:00] Voice 14: and define both standing and select.

[3:19:03] Voice 14: Got a whole new section on select committees.

[3:19:08] Voice 14: One of them requires select committee members

[3:19:11] Voice 14: to be elected by trust council

[3:19:13] Voice 14: as we did for a former one a few years ago.

[3:19:17] Voice 14: also requires Trust Council to establish and approve terms of reference for such committees.

[3:19:24] Voice 14: We clarified that unless the Trust Council Chair is already an elected member of a select committee

[3:19:32] Voice 14: they may participate as an ex officio member on select committees. In section 5.4 we added applause

[3:19:41] Voice 14: clause about the practice of recessing meetings and continuing on another day, asking that

[3:19:48] Voice 14: that be used sparingly because it creates extra workload.

[3:19:52] Voice 14: As you probably have all experienced over the last year and a half, committees have

[3:19:56] Voice 14: regularly exceeded the four meetings per year that are stipulated in policy.

[3:20:01] Voice 14: So we're already over that.

[3:20:03] Voice 14: We changed the definition of forum to mirror the exact wording from the Trust Council

[3:20:08] Voice 14: Procedure Bylaw.

[3:20:09] Voice 14: and lastly we clarified that the trust council chair as ex officio is non-voting member of

[3:20:17] Voice 14: regional planning committee trust programs committee and select committees and is not

[3:20:22] Voice 14: included in determining quorum so that's an overview of the changes that were made

[3:20:26] Voice 14: very

[3:20:28] Voice 30: good so uh thank you for that so i'm going to ask if there are any questions um before we

[3:20:34] Voice 30: get to a motion any questions on the uh rfd that's before you and i see trace i'll recognize

[3:20:40] Voice 30: trustee longer thank

[3:20:42] Voice 12: you yeah i what i thought i heard you just say is that the chair

[3:20:48] Voice 12: on the select committee would be a non-voting member and not part of the quorum but section 8.5

[3:20:55] Voice 12: says that that chair would be a a voting member and uh used in the quorum

[3:21:00] Voice 14: section

[3:21:01] Voice 12: 8.5 is no longer

[3:21:03] Voice 14: or valid in the addendum package that you bought.

[3:21:06] Voice 12: Oh, okay, okay.

[3:21:08] Voice 12: I'm looking at the wrong package, sir.

[3:21:11] Voice 30: Well, EC

[3:21:12] Voice 30: will be pleased that we changed that.

[3:21:15] Voice 30: And so thanks for catching that one also, Chase.

[3:21:18] Voice 30: Any other questions on the RFD?

[3:21:25] Voice 30: So I'm not seeing any questions.

[3:21:26] Voice 30: Can I ask perhaps for somebody to make the motion

[3:21:30] Voice 30: that is contained on page 90?

[3:21:32] Voice 30: 90, raise your hand or just blurt it out.

[3:21:39] Voice 29: Trustee Stamford.

[3:21:44] Trustee Stamford: I make the motion, I have to see it.

[3:21:50] Voice 29: It's on the screen.

[3:21:52] Voice 29: Okay, I

[3:21:53] Trustee Stamford: move that the trust council adopt

[3:21:55] Trustee Stamford: amended trust council policy 2.3.1

[3:21:58] Trustee Stamford: council committee system attachment number one.

[3:22:02] Voice 30: Thank you very much, do I have a seconder?

[3:22:05] Voice 30: Trustee Fenton has seconded the motion, thank you.

[3:22:08] Voice 30: are there any speaker uh trustee stanford used to speak to the motion no okay

[3:22:16] Voice 30: any anybody had

[3:22:17] Voice 30: wish to speak to the motion i

[3:22:20] Trustee Johnston: i have a question should we not be voting on the motion or on the

[3:22:26] Trustee Johnston: proposal that's in the addendum rather than this one that's in the agenda package the motion's the

[3:22:31] Voice 14: same it's

[3:22:32] Trustee Johnston: the same motion it's just i want to make it clear we're not voting for this package

[3:22:37] Trustee Johnston: We're voting for the other package.

[3:22:39] Voice 30: The agenda

[3:22:40] Trustee Johnston: has been amended.

[3:22:42] Voice 30: So it's satisfactory the way that it is.

[3:22:50] Voice 30: So I'll then, you can lower your hand trustee Johnson.

[3:22:55] Voice 30: Thank you.

[3:22:56] Voice 30: I'm going to now then without any other speakers

[3:22:58] Voice 30: on the motion, I'm going to call for the vote.

[3:23:01] Voice 30: All those in favor, please raise your electronic hands

[3:23:05] Voice 30: and please keep them up.

[3:23:12] Voice 30: i see some bouncing around i see 17 in favor yeah so i'm just um and so count me in in favor

[3:23:21] Voice 30: on that as well so recently the hand doesn't come up immediately so so i see 17 so it's 18 in total

[3:23:30] Voice 30: yes in favor okay thank you any opposed there's

[3:23:36] Trustee Allen: 19 in favor i

[3:23:39] Voice 30: was late all right trustee alan then

[3:23:42] Voice 30: is also an additional vote you've got that Carmen yes and so therefore if you lower your hands

[3:23:50] Voice 30: and I'm going to ask if there's any opposed I see trustee Grove and trustee Langerice's hands

[3:24:00] Voice 30: up as opposed to the motion clarifying that trustee Langerice is opposed case case Langerice

[3:24:10] Voice 30: is opposed his hand has just gone down so I'm going to ask one more time because I see hands

[3:24:19] Voice 30: have gone down is there anybody opposed none opposed okay thank you very much um I'm going

[3:24:30] Voice 30: to now that carries apologies I'm going to go to 4.2.4 and I'm going to ask Carmen

[3:24:38] Voice 30: Atil again legislative service manager to introduce the motion or introduce the RFD

[3:24:43] Voice 30: yeah

[3:24:43] Voice 14: okay so this was a request from trust council i think from last september to bring

[3:24:50] Voice 14: back the ltc correspondence policy to include posting uh correspondence to web pages i think

[3:24:56] Voice 14: policy before that said correspondence was included in agenda packages but for the last

[3:25:02] Voice 14: five or six years uh certain types of correspondence responding to certain things

[3:25:06] Voice 14: are posted prior to an agenda going out.

[3:25:10] Voice 14: So the policy has also been changed to clarify

[3:25:14] Voice 14: that correspondence about an open bylaw enforcement file

[3:25:18] Voice 14: will not be included in a public agenda

[3:25:20] Voice 14: nor posted to the LTC webpage.

[3:25:24] Voice 14: And that correspondence about active rezoning applications,

[3:25:29] Voice 14: development variance permits,

[3:25:30] Voice 14: temporary use permits and projects

[3:25:32] Voice 14: is posted on the Island webpages.

[3:25:36] Voice 14: And one last change, giving the director of local planning services or designate, and

[3:25:42] Voice 1: we

[3:25:42] Voice 14: assume this to be RPMs, giving them the ability to direct that correspondence not

[3:25:47] Voice 14: be posted where volumes are overwhelming, where there's uncertainty about defamatory

[3:25:53] Voice 14: statements, or correspondence is otherwise deemed inappropriate as determined by staff.

[3:26:00] Voice 14: And this is intended to address situations where staff can't keep up with the sheer volume

[3:26:05] Voice 14: of correspondence or where there are other inappropriate statements in it and I do have

[3:26:12] Voice 14: some additional notes I don't know if I should stop there at the changes or go on in the interest

[3:26:18] Voice 14: of time so

[3:26:19] Voice 30: I'm presuming that everybody has read it and understands it and so maybe we'll just see

[3:26:26] Voice 30: if there's any questions that maybe some of that additional detail will come out okay so I'm going

[3:26:32] Voice 30: going to acknowledge here, bear with me a second. I've got Trustee Wright, Trustee Fast, and Trustee

[3:26:39] Voice 30: Longerice. So, Trustee Wright, over to you on the motion question.

[3:26:49] Voice 32: You're muted, sir.

[3:26:53] Voice 29: Yeah, we can't hear you,

[3:26:55] Voice 4: Trustee Wright. Yeah, sorry. My question is only about having

[3:27:00] Voice 4: someone determine what is a high volume. Usually, if we're going to get a high volume of

[3:27:11] Voice 4: letters and correspondence it's usually because it's a controversial issue a lot of people are

[3:27:16] Voice 4: concerned about it and my my preference would be that whatever whatever the volume is put it on

[3:27:23] Voice 4: the correspondence page and I take for an example I've looked through the list and there's a

[3:27:30] Voice 4: correspondence from Graham Brazier from Denman Island that is not hasn't been posted and even

[3:27:37] Voice 4: even after a second request from him,

[3:27:39] Voice 4: it still hasn't been posted.

[3:27:41] Voice 4: And I don't think that makes us look very good

[3:27:44] Voice 4: with respect to openness and transparency.

[3:27:46] Voice 4: So I'd like to get some clarification

[3:27:49] Voice 4: on why they feel that the volume is a real problem

[3:27:53] Voice 4: if we're just posting onto sites, thanks.

[3:27:56] Voice 14: Okay, one comment I can make is that this policy

[3:27:59] Voice 14: is just about local trust committee correspondence.

[3:28:03] Voice 14: It doesn't address trust council correspondence.

[3:28:05] Voice 14: And as far as volume goes, I told staff the Salt Spring office has had the heaviest and most sustained increase.

[3:28:13] Voice 14: It received between 105 and 489 submissions per application for a sampling of seven individual applications and projects over the last couple of years.

[3:28:25] Voice 14: So because of the advent of email submissions, residents are submitting comments hours or minutes before a meeting.

[3:28:36] Voice 14: And if they're coming in by 50 at a time or more, staff just can't keep up with posting them in time for the meeting.

[3:28:43] Voice 30: And Mr. Chair?

[3:28:45] Voice 29: Yes, please.

[3:28:45] Voice 29: yeah

[3:28:47] Voice 28: the other consideration um for trustees i'm sorry i unmasked myself there for a second

[3:28:53] Voice 28: is um this is all correspondence gets to to all elected officials this is about correspondence

[3:29:02] Voice 28: that goes on the website it's not about correspondence getting to an you see all

[3:29:10] Voice 28: all pieces of correspondence correct that is correct so democracy it stays okay it's a question

[3:29:17] Voice 28: of if someone sends something in not only do they get you to see it but they get others to see that

[3:29:23] Voice 28: they put it in and you know and for any other reason someone would want us to publish their

[3:29:29] Voice 28: document on the website and it's it's that crush of material because for each one of those we have

[3:29:35] Voice 28: to redact something on each piece so that's the only reason that's there great

[3:29:41] Voice 4: thanks so much

[3:29:42] Voice 30: okay trustee fast and then longer eyes questions on the motion um

[3:29:48] Trustee Fast: i sent in a couple of questions

[3:29:50] Trustee Fast: to carmen um a couple of well before the weekend and um one of them uh related to the word

[3:30:00] Trustee Fast: I just want to propose a couple of amendments to definitions. So, if you're on page 112

[3:30:10] Trustee Fast: of the agenda, at the very bottom there, it says correspondence means any written communication

[3:30:19] Trustee Fast: received by mail, courier, fax, email, webmail, or other electronic format or in person. What

[3:30:27] Trustee Fast: I'm proposing is to add the word addressed written communication received and this is to help

[3:30:38] Trustee Fast: with the new ways of communicating like some of the letters we've been receiving

[3:30:45] Trustee Fast: recently that are sort of form letters copied and go automatically to our email addresses

[3:30:51] Trustee Fast: addresses, or thought exchange or other online consultation tools, surveys and social media.

[3:31:04] Trustee Fast: I'm honestly surprised when I see people on social media say, well, council's looking at this,

[3:31:09] Trustee Fast: aren't they? And maybe that's just Bowen Island. But I think the world of other electronic formats

[3:31:18] Trustee Fast: formats is evolving quickly. And I think just by adding the word addressed in front of written

[3:31:24] Trustee Fast: communication in this definition would help make that clearer. And I did check in with Carmen about

[3:31:30] Trustee Fast: this and the word addressed is used several times in the page above it. And that's one of the

[3:31:35] Trustee Fast: amendments I would like to make. And I'll put this into a motion in a moment. The second definition

[3:31:41] Trustee Fast: The definition I'd like to make is at the top of the next page, 113, and it's just to where it says webmail means mail, I would just like it to say webmail means email, just to make it clear to everybody, because as we get more and more electronic formats I just

[3:32:01] Trustee Fast: think more clarity will be helpful.

[3:32:04] Trustee Fast: full. Denman is another island where we've had a lot of correspondence recently through online

[3:32:13] Trustee Fast: petitions. And that's not exactly what's talked about in this. This is about correspondence,

[3:32:21] Trustee Fast: but it's another place where all that redacting has to take place, including for privacy reasons,

[3:32:28] Trustee Fast: including at great speed just before the delegation is going to come up to speak.

[3:32:33] Trustee Fast: So anyway, these are two simple ones, so I'd just like to move that Trust Council amend draft policy 7.4.1 to include the word addressed in the definition of correspondence immediately before written communication.

[3:33:18] Voice 29: and in

[3:33:18] Trustee Fast: the definition of webmail to use the word email instead of mail.

[3:33:31] Voice 29: Thank you. So I'm just going to ask, Laura, do you have the ability to get that up on the screen when you're ready?

[3:33:37] Voice 29: If

[3:33:37] Voice 14: you can allow me a few moments.

[3:33:39] Voice 14: yeah

[3:33:39] Voice 29: yeah so

[3:33:41] Voice 30: we're just gonna wait here for this to get prepared it's complex enough i'd

[3:33:46] Voice 30: like to make sure that you know what we're voting on and that the person that chooses

[3:33:54] Voice 30: to second

[3:33:54] Voice 28: it knows what they're seconding apologies

[3:34:42] Trustee Fast: i thought this would be simpler my

[3:34:44] Trustee Fast: my apologies i should have sent it to lori ahead of time yeah i

[3:34:48] Voice 30: think it's obvious that if you

[3:34:50] Voice 30: Anybody else have amendments to motions to get it in as early as possible?

[3:35:13] Voice 29: At UBCN, they're pretty obvious reasons.

[3:35:26] Trustee Rogers: Mr. Chair, I wonder if while we're waiting, I have a question for the mover before.

[3:35:31] Trustee Rogers: Is that appropriate, or do you want to wait until it goes up?

[3:35:37] Voice 29: Well, there it is.

[3:35:40] Voice 32: oops if

[3:35:46] Trustee Fast: it could just uh have the word addressed in the definition of written

[3:35:53] Trustee Fast: uh of the definition of correspondence before written communication

[3:36:05] Trustee Fast: good thank you that's good that's what i meant okay

[3:36:13] Voice 29: so that's what the mover is intended

[3:36:16] Voice 30: and so before it gets seconded then Dan Rogers you had a question on the motion

[3:36:23] Voice 30: I

[3:36:24] Trustee Rogers: do I don't understand what if the address is that what the meaning of the word addressed is

[3:36:30] Trustee Rogers: does that mean it's it's directed to an address or if it is it coming from an address and I

[3:36:37] Trustee Rogers: I don't know which one you're referring to

[3:36:40] Trustee Fast: I'm using

[3:36:41] Trustee Rogers: let me give you an example would a petition

[3:36:43] Trustee Rogers: be caught by this?

[3:36:46] Trustee Fast: No, I don't think so. I think that the word addressed, I'm using it the same

[3:36:51] Trustee Fast: way Canada Post uses it. They use the word addressed to mean addressed to, but we can put

[3:36:59] Trustee Fast: that in if you like.

[3:37:01] Trustee Rogers: But if it's got to us, isn't it by definition addressed? So it's not who it's

[3:37:09] Trustee Rogers: coming from it's who it's going to is that what that's what that degrees refers to yeah all right

[3:37:21] Voice 29: so is there a seconder for the motion

[3:37:22] Voice 30: this is an amendment to the draft uh trustee rogers are you

[3:37:32] Voice 30: seconding it i

[3:37:34] Trustee Fast: see case langrose's hand is up

[3:37:35] Voice 30: yeah i'm looking well yeah those were questions

[3:37:40] Voice 30: on the motion prior to the amendment.

[3:37:43] Voice 30: That's the difficulty with this, but that's life.

[3:37:49] Voice 30: So, Case, are you seconding the motion?

[3:37:51] Voice 30: No, I had a question actually on the original motion.

[3:37:55] Voice 30: Okay, so we've got an amendment

[3:37:56] Voice 30: to the motion on the floor.

[3:37:58] Voice 30: Is there anybody that wants to second this?

[3:38:03] Voice 30: Okay, Trustee Fenton,

[3:38:05] Voice 30: electronic hands work absolutely the best.

[3:38:09] Voice 30: So Trustee Fenton, I saw your hand up.

[3:38:12] Voice 30: i'm assuming you're seconding the motion yes all right so that's moved and seconded and so

[3:38:19] Voice 30: i'm presuming you don't need to speak to it any further uh trustee fast so now on the amendment

[3:38:25] Voice 30: thank you for taking your hands down and trustee fast you can take your hands down

[3:38:29] Voice 30: on the amendment i would like to call for the vote all those in favor of the amendment to the draft

[3:38:36] Voice 30: um policy 7.4.1 7

[3:38:43] Trustee Fast: .1.4 right oh it is seven point can we change it in the motion there please

[3:38:49] Trustee Fast: 7.4.1 okay

[3:38:52] Voice 30: that's good so please keep your hands up in favor of the amendment all right i'm seeing

[3:39:03] Voice 30: five hands up please all right and you know what i'm going to say i'm closing the opportunity to

[3:39:13] Voice 30: RAISE YOUR HANDS IN FAVOR BUT I SEE MORE HANDS TRICKLING IN AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE

[3:39:19] Voice 30: INTERNET OR IF IT'S PEOPLE ARE THINKING ABOUT IT I SEE

[3:39:23] Voice 29: TRUSTEE PATRICK WAVING ARE WE VOTING

[3:39:30] Voice 29: YEAH THEY'RE VOTING YEAH

[3:39:32] Voice 30: OKAY AND THAT'S JUST NOT CLEAR ONE TWO THREE FOUR TEN OKAY

[3:39:37] Voice 30: SO WE'VE GOT TEN IN FAVOR SO PLEASE LOWER YOUR HANDS LOWER YOUR HAND

[3:39:49] Voice 29: TRUSTEE SCOTT OKAY NOW

[3:39:57] Voice 30: please raise your hand if you're opposed to the amendments to policy 7.4.1.

[3:40:05] Voice 29: Raise your hand if

[3:40:06] Voice 29: you're opposed.

[3:40:16] Voice 32: Six. Six opposed. All

[3:40:22] Voice 30: right. So I'm closing. I'm assuming that's it for six

[3:40:24] Voice 30: opposed. So that carries. So now we have an amended motion 7.4.1 on the table. It was moved

[3:40:33] Voice 30: in because it has not been moved in a second. There may be some questions on this still

[3:40:39] Voice 30: remaining. So now on the amended policy 7.4.1, are there any further questions? And I see,

[3:40:48] Voice 30: okay, so for questions now, I see Trustee Langerheis and Critchley.

[3:40:57] Voice 12: Am I up then? Okay. I had one question around 1.6, where it says that is addressed to more than

[3:41:06] Voice 12: one individual trustee, a quorum. The question I always have is, is it talking about the two

[3:41:12] Voice 12: as opposed to the CC line? I sometimes get an email that's sent to myself and CC to the other

[3:41:21] Voice 12: trustee. Is that considered a quorum? Because it's not addressed directly to the other trustee.

[3:41:28] Voice 12: I just needed that clarification. We both see it, but it's only addressed to one person

[3:41:36] Voice 12: specifically. If

[3:41:37] Voice 14: it's only addressed to

[3:41:38] Voice 12: one person, we think we take that at face value.

[3:41:41] Voice 12: okay so it's not a it's not a quorum then right all

[3:41:47] Voice 30: right so next

[3:41:49] Voice 30: question then would be david

[3:41:50] Voice 30: pritchley in case if you can lower your hand thank you thank

[3:41:55] Trustee Critchley: you i just wanted to ask a question

[3:41:57] Trustee Critchley: about the definition of defamatory it says it means false statements communicated to other people

[3:42:02] Trustee Critchley: about a person that tends to hurt the person's reputation i'm wondering about the word false

[3:42:07] Trustee Critchley: in there is that necessary to have in there or does that just put an extra burden on staff to

[3:42:12] Trustee Critchley: determine the truth or otherwise of the statement and would it be better than to have it deleted

[3:42:23] Voice 14: bring that portion of the policy out that definition very carefully researched that

[3:42:28] Voice 14: when we were doing this policy um if we took that out we wouldn't have a basis for um withholding

[3:42:37] Voice 14: uh from the public um inappropriate uh statements that are made by one person to another

[3:42:44] Voice 14: or about another removing

[3:42:47] Voice 30: the word false yeah

[3:42:49] Voice 14: i mean if you just said mean statements communicated

[3:42:53] Voice 14: to another person um when we're looking at defamation it does mean a lot of work for staff

[3:43:04] Voice 14: to determine whether something's true or not we've been told by our legal counsel that if we publish

[3:43:11] Voice 14: defamatory material we're furthering the defamation and we can be liable for that

[3:43:17] Voice 14: so I'm not sure it would make sense to take out false statements. Okay so does that answer your

[3:43:27] Voice 14: question? You know maybe we could revisit that definition but that's the best we could come up

[3:43:33] Voice 14: with at the time so if you have a suggestion for a better definition I would ponder that.

[3:43:41] Voice 30: Yeah it would require more work. Yes. So Trustee Rogers you have a question?

[3:43:48] Trustee Rogers: I thought Trustee

[3:43:50] Trustee Rogers: christian was following up because he was unmuted but oh if he's not i'll

[3:43:55] Voice 29: trustee christian follow

[3:43:57] Voice 29: up

[3:43:58] Trustee Critchley: no i think it's a it's a conundrum really and uh but i just wanted to address it so i'm okay

[3:44:07] Trustee Critchley: with it

[3:44:08] Trustee Rogers: so thanks i i i'm sorry i i wasn't going to jump in on this but i'm actually quite concerned

[3:44:14] Trustee Rogers: by the an answer or a question and answer that was just given uh to trustee langer eyes uh if i

[3:44:22] Trustee Rogers: But if an email is cc'd to somebody, another of the trustees, I honestly think that's clearly addressed to them.

[3:44:32] Trustee Rogers: And I think that I always treat correspondence that comes in that has more than one trustee coming in,

[3:44:41] Trustee Rogers: and it's a quorum and therefore a communication to the local trust committee.

[3:44:45] Trustee Rogers: I just want to clarify whether the Director of Legislative Services actually understood that we're saying that in her view that if an email is cc'd to others, that's not considered to be addressed to others, because I think it is.

[3:45:06] Voice 14: yeah i think i'm not really sure how to answer that then because if you wanted to direct your

[3:45:10] Voice 14: email to trustees why would you choose to send it directly to one and cc the other instead of not

[3:45:18] Trustee Rogers: um it happens all the time yeah with respect it happens all the time and that's because they've

[3:45:25] Trustee Rogers: been having a conversation with one tree trustee or another and so they write to that trustee but

[3:45:31] Trustee Rogers: but then CC the other trustees and I mean,

[3:45:35] Trustee Rogers: or they know them personally or they write the chair and then CC the other

[3:45:39] Trustee Rogers: trustees. And I think it would be very concerning to me

[3:45:46] Trustee Rogers: if, if somehow we adopted a point of view that

[3:45:50] Trustee Rogers: a CC to other trustees is not a, not an address to them.

[3:45:55] Voice 14: Yeah. It's not stated that way in the policy.

[3:45:58] Voice 14: So I don't think the policy is a problem.

[3:46:00] Voice 14: Then it might be the practice of the way

[3:46:02] Trustee Rogers: trustees look at it.

[3:46:04] Trustee Rogers: I agree.

[3:46:05] Trustee Rogers: So

[3:46:05] Voice 14: I just wanted to raise that.

[3:46:07] Trustee Rogers: I don't think we have to change the policy,

[3:46:09] Trustee Rogers: but I just wanted to raise that

[3:46:11] Trustee Rogers: because Trustee Longer has brought it up

[3:46:13] Trustee Rogers: and I think his question was good.

[3:46:16] Trustee Rogers: And I saw Trustee or Vice Chair Patrick nodding along

[3:46:20] Trustee Rogers: that yes, it was when you were answering.

[3:46:23] Trustee Rogers: And then when you said, no, it wasn't,

[3:46:24] Trustee Rogers: I would be very concerned.

[3:46:26] Trustee Rogers: I think that would be a change in my understanding in it.

[3:46:29] Trustee Rogers: So you're right though,

[3:46:30] Trustee Rogers: I don't think we need to amend the policy.

[3:46:35] Voice 30: So thank you, Trustee.

[3:46:36] Voice 30: So I have a question as to whether or not

[3:46:38] Voice 30: there's further work required on this

[3:46:39] Voice 30: before we approve this today or not.

[3:46:44] Voice 30: Otherwise I'll look for, I don't see any more questions.

[3:46:47] Voice 30: I'd look for a vote or a motion.

[3:46:51] Voice 30: Trustee Sass.

[3:46:53] Trustee Fast: I'd like to make the motion.

[3:46:54] Voice 29: Thank you, go ahead.

[3:46:55] Voice 29: um

[3:46:56] Trustee Fast: i would like to move that uh trust council adopt amended policy 7.4.1 incoming local trust

[3:47:07] Trustee Fast: committee correspondence attachment one as amended okay

[3:47:14] Voice 30: thank you uh is there a seconder i see trustee

[3:47:17] Voice 30: patrick has seconded that motion thank you and i'll ask if there's anybody that wishes to speak

[3:47:22] Voice 30: to the motion. I see, DeFast, did you want to speak to it any further?

[3:47:28] Trustee Fast: I'm in support. That's it.

[3:47:30] Voice 30: Thank you. Anybody else wish to speak to the motion? Not seeing any electronic hands.

[3:47:41] Voice 30: I'm going to call for the vote. All those in favor, please raise your hand and leave it raised.

[3:47:49] Voice 29: I'm going to rely upon

[3:47:50] Voice 14: you, Carmen. Okay. We've got a little minute here. 16 in favor so far.

[3:47:58] Voice 30: all right so we have 16 in favor i'm going to ask you to lower your hands

[3:48:14] Voice 30: and lowered hands just be shaken right so now those opposed please raise your hand

[3:48:28] Voice 30: so i'm not seeing any hands raised in opposition and nothing on the screen either and so um that

[3:48:36] Voice 30: That carries, yeah.

[3:48:40] Voice 30: So council, if you can bear with me,

[3:48:42] Voice 30: we have, unless it's gonna get complicated,

[3:48:45] Voice 30: legal services policy request for decision 4.2.5.

[3:48:52] Voice 30: I'm gonna ask Carmen, Trustee Rogers, you have your hand up.

[3:48:57] Trustee Rogers: Actually, sir, I'm actually gonna move we adjourn.

[3:49:00] Trustee Rogers: I think we've lost a number of trustees

[3:49:03] Trustee Rogers: that I'm concerned may want to be part of this conversation.

[3:49:08] Trustee Rogers: We've, I know we've lost at least four in the last half out in the last 20 minutes. So I think we've done well to get two of the three of the four pieces of business here done. Or if, if trustee Milton would like to, I'd like to, I'd like to also suggest the alternative would be to switch the agenda and let the select committee report out.

[3:49:29] Trustee Rogers: I think all the people who have left are members of the select committee who had to leave.

[3:49:35] Trustee Rogers: I may be wrong. I think Alex Allen left as well, but I just don't think we should be doing the

[3:49:41] Trustee Rogers: legal advice. Legal services

[3:49:44] Trustee Rogers: portion without all of the trustees have gone personal.

[3:49:50] Voice 30: Well, I would also suggest that I think that all the council maybe wants to hear from the

[3:49:55] Voice 30: a select committee.

[3:49:57] Voice 30: And so I would be much more in favor

[3:49:59] Voice 30: of simply adjourning at this time.

[3:50:01] Trustee Rogers: Fine, then I'll move we adjourn for the day.

[3:50:03] Trustee Rogers: All right, so...

[3:50:04] Voice 30: Until 7 o'clock, I guess.

[3:50:06] Trustee Rogers: Until 7 o'clock.

[3:50:07] Voice 30: Yeah, so we're

[3:50:08] Voice 30: recessing, actually.

[3:50:09] Voice 30: So we're

[3:50:10] Voice 30: recessing until 7 o'clock.

[3:50:12] Voice 30: Seconded by Trustee Wolverton.

[3:50:14] Voice 30: I'm just going to call all those in favor.

[3:50:18] Voice 30: This one's Democratic.

[3:50:23] Voice 30: I'm voting in favor.

[3:50:25] Voice 30: All those in favor?

[3:50:27] Voice 30: 15, 16?

[3:50:30] Voice 30: So please lower your hands and

[3:50:36] Voice 29: lower your hands.

[3:50:42] Voice 29: And then if you've lowered your hand,

[3:50:44] Voice 29: I'm going to

[3:50:44] Voice 30: ask for those opposed.

[3:50:47] Voice 30: Okay, thank you.

[3:50:48] Voice 30: So all those opposed,

[3:50:50] Voice 30: it's a recessing.

[3:50:52] Voice 30: There are no hands raised to not recess.

[3:50:55] Voice 30: So therefore, I say we are recessed

[3:50:58] Voice 30: and we will be reconvening at this location at seven o'clock.

[3:51:02] Voice 30: Thank you everybody for a great day.

[3:51:04] Voice 30: and we'll look forward to hearing from

[3:51:07] Voice 30: the public next.

[3:51:08] Voice 30: Thank you.

[3:51:09] Voice 30: Have a great dinner and we'll see you all shortly.

[3:51:12] Voice 30: I'll let you name me.

[3:51:14] Voice 30: So Alex Allen, Hornby Island.

[3:51:19] Voice 30: Paul Brent, Saterna Island.

[3:51:23] Voice 30: Laura Beshaken, Denman Island.

[3:51:27] Voice 30: Scott Colburn, Gabriola Island.

[3:51:32] Voice 30: David Critchley, Denman Island.

[3:51:36] Voice 30: Janine Dodds, Maine Island.

[3:51:38] Voice 30: Island, Sue Ellen Fass, Bowen Island, Doug Fenton, Thedas Island, Peter Grove, Salt Spring

[3:51:50] Voice 30: Island, Peter Johnston, Mesquite Island, Michael Cale, Bowen Island, Case Longerice, Gabriola

[3:52:02] Voice 30: Island, David Maude, Maine Island, Ben McConkie, North Pender Island, Lee Middleton, Saterna

[3:52:15] Voice 30: Island, Deb Morrison, Pender Island, Laura Patrick, Salt Spring Island, Timothy Peterson,

[3:52:25] Voice 30: Liskiti Island, Tahira Rockefeller, Galeano Island, Dan Rogers, Keats Island, Grant Scott,

[3:52:37] Voice 30: Moranby Island, Kate and Lee Stanford, Gambier Island, Cameron Thorne, South Pender Island,

[3:52:46] Voice 30: Island, Jane Wolverton, Galliano Island, and Steve Wright, also South Pendant Island.

[3:52:58] Voice 30: And some of the trustees have sent in their regrets and are unavailable to attend this

[3:53:05] Voice 30: evening's meeting.

[3:53:06] Voice 30: But I do want to thank all of Council for being here and this opportunity to hear from

[3:53:12] Voice 30: our communities on the matters that are important to them.

[3:53:15] Voice 30: um so we have uh three delegations today um and then we will go into an open um mic kind of thing

[3:53:26] Voice 30: town hall after that but we have michael sketch galliano conservancy association and the raincoast

[3:53:33] Voice 30: conservation group and um each of the delegates has 10 minutes of time and uh two minutes is

[3:53:41] Voice 30: normally what we allow for town hall depending on how many speakers there are but let's start

[3:53:46] Voice 30: start off under that premise and just ask everyone to speak to the issues not individuals

[3:53:53] Voice 30: and uh and of course um trust council is a venue and an opportunity to speak about broad federation

[3:54:00] Voice 30: wide trust area wide issues not local individual um local trust committee issues better to bring

[3:54:08] Voice 30: those directly to your local trust committee um and so um let us begin uh with michael sketch

[3:54:15] Voice 30: catch. Good evening, Michael. Thank you for joining us. We see you there, Michael.

[3:54:35] Voice 1: Can you hear me?

[3:54:38] Voice 30: We can do,

[3:54:39] Voice 1: yes. Yeah, unfortunately, there's a lawnmower in the background. Is that invasive?

[3:54:44] Voice 1: No, don't hear it.

[3:54:46] Voice 1: Okay, I'll speak clearly. Councillors, I shall speak to draft 1.0 of the

[3:54:56] Voice 1: revised trust policy statement prepared by staff. Staff advised that work began two years ago and

[3:55:04] Voice 1: that a thousand hours were expended in the last quarter such an investment won't be repeated soon

[3:55:11] Voice 1: so it's incumbent upon council to ensure efficacy before advancing the policy statement bylaw to

[3:55:18] Voice 1: first reading my criticism is constructive directed primarily at the structure of both

[3:55:25] Voice 1: current bylaw 17 and draft 1.0 i offer remedy in the appendix to this submission

[3:55:33] Voice 1: Commission. Criticism of structure is a serious matter because the province intends that the

[3:55:41] Voice 1: policy statement be the instrument of preserve and protect. Council has endorsed the appointment

[3:55:47] Voice 1: of expert consultants to assess whether the Act is effectively implemented, an assessment

[3:55:53] Voice 1: deliberately at arm's length from the potential of conflicting internal trust interests. My first

[3:56:00] Voice 1: request is that council delay first reading until there is at least a

[3:56:05] Voice 1: preliminary report to council from the consultants. For the public, a first

[3:56:12] Voice 1: question is whether or not policies they read in the policy statement are

[3:56:18] Voice 1: manifest in the day-to-day actions of trust bodies and in the advice given by

[3:56:24] Voice 1: staff to local area decision-makers. There are too many case studies that say

[3:56:31] Voice 1: the answer is no.

[3:56:33] Voice 1: To put Council's policy statement by-law in context, the Act establishes a two-level

[3:56:41] Voice 1: hierarchical federal governance wherein Council presides over the local area jurisdictions.

[3:56:50] Voice 1: There are checks and balances, one level monitoring the other in the public interest.

[3:56:57] Voice 1: That is the strength of federalism.

[3:57:00] Voice 1: Although counterintuitive, the staff person responsible for the Trust Policy Statement is not the Director of Trust Area Services at the federal governance level, but rather the Director of Local Planning Services.

[3:57:17] Voice 1: The Act directs that Council adopt a Policy Statement by-law to carry out the object of the Trust.

[3:57:24] Voice 1: implement is a synonym for carry out.

[3:57:28] Voice 1: Therefore, in and of themselves,

[3:57:30] Voice 1: policies are to implement preservation and protection.

[3:57:36] Voice 1: However, draft 1.0 relies on five pages

[3:57:39] Voice 1: of council's 1994 implementation policy 1.3.1

[3:57:46] Voice 1: in the trust policy manual.

[3:57:49] Voice 1: But the trust policy statement

[3:57:51] Voice 1: and implementation policies are joined at the hip.

[3:57:55] Voice 1: They must be read together.

[3:57:58] Voice 1: As important, the policy statement by-law must be reviewed

[3:58:02] Voice 1: by the minister before adoption,

[3:58:04] Voice 1: but separate implementation policies are not subject

[3:58:08] Voice 1: to ministerial oversight.

[3:58:10] Voice 1: That is not as the act intends.

[3:58:14] Voice 1: The act allows that policies may differ

[3:58:17] Voice 1: for different local area jurisdictions of the trust area.

[3:58:21] Voice 1: In part, implementation policy 1.3.1 allows the local jurisdiction to excuse itself from trust policies if the local jurisdiction gives reason.

[3:58:35] Voice 1: Again, counterintuitive.

[3:58:38] Voice 1: Council alone should have the power of decision to forgive its own policies in local jurisdictions.

[3:58:45] Voice 1: The notion that a local jurisdiction can pick and choose trust area policies to suit and set aside those that don't with reason negates the federal governance model.

[3:58:57] Voice 1: Comparison with Canadian federalism makes the point.

[3:59:01] Voice 1: The Canadian Parliament presides over the provinces.

[3:59:04] Voice 1: Would Canadians accept that provinces may pick and choose which federal laws suit them and which not?

[3:59:11] Voice 1: Of course not. The structure of the draft policy statement can be improved.

[3:59:19] Voice 1: 19 pages of policies are divided amongst council commitments, council coordination,

[3:59:25] Voice 1: and directive policies. The divisions are unnecessary and 19 pages should be trimmed

[3:59:32] Voice 1: to essentials under the Act. The Act requires two categories of policies. Those for the entire trust

[3:59:41] Voice 1: area and those which may be excused for one or more local trust areas an essence

[3:59:49] Voice 1: of the Act is to preserve and protect environment but in 45 pages of content

[3:59:55] Voice 1: there is no policy clarity for the word

[4:00:00] Voice 1: Given that the Act was written as response to the threat of a built environment overwhelming the natural environment, then built and natural are necessary components of policies to preserve and protect the environment.

[4:00:17] Voice 1: To implement the Act is to address the effect of changes in land use on the persons or entities immediately affected.

[4:00:25] Voice 1: Were there no change in land use in the trust area, de facto, the unique amenities in all their numbers and the environment in all its parts would be preserved and protected.

[4:00:39] Voice 1: As important, implementing the Act will address the effect of changes in land use with a particular bias, a bias to preserve and protect the unique amenities and environment, a bias which has persuaded the province for nearly five decades.

[4:00:56] Voice 1: the stage is set for effective preserve and protect policies the appendix is my second draft

[4:01:04] Voice 1: for a rewritten trust policy statement which addresses failures in structure and content in

[4:01:10] Voice 1: draft 1.0 the policies begin with a statement of the persons or entities whose interests are

[4:01:18] Voice 1: affected by changes in land use the next policy invokes a duty of care owed by staff and decision

[4:01:25] Voice 1: decision-makers. Then a duty to consult in order that all parties are informed and may contribute

[4:01:33] Voice 1: when changes in land use are considered. The remainder page and a half of policies for the

[4:01:39] Voice 1: entire trust area complete the heart of effective preserve and protect. That's one and a half pages.

[4:01:47] Voice 1: To complete a different draft policy statement, select directive policies must be added from

[4:01:54] Voice 1: draft 1.0 each in their category to the to the framework in the appendix implementation direction

[4:02:02] Voice 1: is less than a page of schedule for the for the for my draft policy by law please compare this

[4:02:10] Voice 1: rewritten content and structure with current draft one point point naught and councillors please ask

[4:02:17] Voice 1: the opinion of your governance consultants thank you for hearing my submission and for considering

[4:02:24] Voice 1: the structure and content of a rewritten trust policy statement by law in the appendix thank you

[4:02:35] Voice 30: sketch your presentation are there any questions for the delegates

[4:02:39] Voice 30: i see trustee uh middleton has a question we can't hear you trustee middleton thank you

[4:02:57] Trustee Middleton: chair more more comment than than uh yes great thanks uh um mr sketch has been presenting to um

[4:03:06] Trustee Middleton: trust councils for a good portion of the of the of the councils I've been attending and

[4:03:13] Trustee Middleton: I think we're very unfortunately

[4:03:20] Voice 30: trustee Middleton we've lost your you've lost your

[4:03:26] Voice 30: internet connection again obviously

[4:03:31] Trustee Middleton: such a diligent follower of of our affairs I can

[4:03:40] Trustee Middleton: And can you hear my transmission now?

[4:03:44] Trustee Middleton: Yeah, there was a small break there.

[4:03:46] Trustee Middleton: We're

[4:03:47] Voice 30: only getting half of the words, and we completely missed the middle part.

[4:03:52] Trustee Middleton: Is it

[4:03:53] Trustee Middleton: okay now?

[4:03:57] Trustee Middleton: We're pining for the – yeah, is it okay?

[4:04:01] Voice 30: Go ahead.

[4:04:02] Voice 30: All

[4:04:02] Trustee Middleton: right, thank you.

[4:04:03] Trustee Middleton: We're pining for Connected Coast.

[4:04:06] Trustee Middleton: We're sad it's behind schedule.

[4:04:08] Trustee Middleton: anyway um i i just want to say mr sketch has been um um a very diligent um student of of trust

[4:04:19] Trustee Middleton: policy and procedures and i think we're it it's just i want i just wanted to say thank you to him

[4:04:25] Trustee Middleton: and and note that it's a credit to us that we have as such an engaged uh uh member of the public who

[4:04:33] Trustee Middleton: pays such close attention to to the work of the trust and obviously values it so highly

[4:04:38] Trustee Middleton: and um you know i know we don't often have have comments because mr sketch is very erudite and

[4:04:43] Trustee Middleton: his comments are sometimes self-contained but i thought this time it was worth thanking him and

[4:04:49] Trustee Middleton: and saying you know where where else would you have a constituent that can redraft a policy

[4:04:55] Trustee Middleton: statement and uh and condense it in such a fashion and so just on behalf of council i just want to

[4:05:02] Trustee Middleton: say thank you mr sketch and we'll definitely study your words and appreciate you coming out each and

[4:05:07] Trustee Middleton: every time in such a yeoman like fashion thank you thank

[4:05:12] Voice 12: you um trustee longer ice

[4:05:14] Voice 12: yeah yeah i

[4:05:16] Voice 12: just want to make one comment uh mr sketch mentioned about the local trust committees

[4:05:21] Voice 12: exempting themselves from policy statement i think it may be just a wording in the policy statement

[4:05:27] Voice 12: that doesn't mean exempt from the policy statement so much as it's not applicable to that area

[4:05:32] Voice 12: Because we do have in our checklist, consistent, not consistent, or not applicable.

[4:05:38] Voice 12: And I just wonder if that's the issue.

[4:05:41] Voice 12: Is that the wording of that?

[4:05:46] Voice 12: Okay.

[4:05:46] Voice 12: Well, thank you.

[4:05:47] Voice 30: That's something.

[4:05:52] Voice 30: So, thank you.

[4:05:53] Voice 30: I don't see any other questions for Mr. Sketch.

[4:05:56] Voice 30: So, again, thank you for joining us.

[4:05:58] Voice 30: And I'm going to go to 6.1.2, the Galliano Conservancy Association.

[4:06:02] Voice 30: And I'm not sure who's presenting here today, but the Galliano Conservancy.

[4:06:08] Voice 30: see Michelle Thompson Michelle Thompson thank you for joining us

[4:06:13] Voice 32: there you

[4:06:22] Voice 30: are all right so uh you

[4:06:26] Voice 30: have 10 minutes and um please be respectful of uh friends and neighbors trustees and everyone

[4:06:33] Voice 30: listening and over to you thank

[4:06:36] Voice 36: you um before I begin I would like to acknowledge that I'm

[4:06:40] Voice 36: presenting from the traditional unceded territory of the coastal Salish people including Penelakit

[4:06:46] Voice 36: My name is Michelle and I'm working with the Galliano Conservancy on a project called the One Island, One Earth.

[4:06:56] Voice 36: The One Island, One Earth project is working towards documenting three things.

[4:07:02] Voice 36: Next slide. The first thing we are working towards is the ecological footprint.

[4:07:09] Voice 36: footprint. We are working towards calculating the ecological footprint with BCIT and EcoCity

[4:07:19] Voice 36: Centre. To document the ecological footprint, we are attempting to capture the demand of

[4:07:27] Voice 36: humans that they place on natural resources, including the need for growing food, regenerating

[4:07:34] Voice 36: timber, building infrastructure, and absorbing greenhouse gas emissions from burning fossil

[4:07:40] Voice 36: fuels. Now, many ecological footprint methodologies are currently tailored towards an urban context,

[4:07:48] Voice 36: and they require access to centralized data records, which many of us islands don't have.

[4:07:54] Voice 36: Some of our data has been gathered through various sources like ICBC, BC Hydro, or BC Ferries,

[4:08:01] Voice 36: But three major data gaps have been identified pretty early on, including food consumption, personal waste, and local travel or transportation.

[4:08:13] Voice 36: Because of these data gaps, we've took it upon ourselves as an organization to start collecting community-level data for these areas, creating surveys for odometer reading surveys, weekly food tracking, and waste weighing over a two-week period of time.

[4:08:31] Voice 36: Now the second thing that the project is looking to document is the biocapacity of Galliano Island,

[4:08:38] Voice 36: which means we are calculating the capability of a given area of land or sea to regenerate

[4:08:46] Voice 36: resources we use and to absorb the waste from consumption. Not only are we hoping to see

[4:08:53] Voice 36: how many nurse would be needed to live like a Galliano resident, but we also want to see if

[4:08:58] Voice 36: Galeano residents can live within the resource equivalent of what the island produces, or

[4:09:05] Voice 36: how many Galeano islands it would take to live like a Galeano resident. The third part of the

[4:09:12] Voice 36: project is looking to record the ecological fingerprint, which is attempting to capture the

[4:09:19] Voice 36: cultural and the values of the community, which ultimately determines the sustainability

[4:09:25] Voice 36: and sustainability initiatives, which ones move forward.

[4:09:28] Voice 36: We've been working closely

[4:09:29] Voice 36: with Leilam Serratanero First Nations

[4:09:31] Voice 36: and are planning to record all history interviews

[4:09:34] Voice 36: from people of all backgrounds on the island,

[4:09:37] Voice 36: as well as support community art projects.

[4:09:41] Voice 36: Having both qualitative and quantitative components

[4:09:44] Voice 36: of the project is very important to us

[4:09:46] Voice 36: because we wanna hear everybody's story

[4:09:48] Voice 36: and we are committed to including those

[4:09:51] Voice 36: that are typically left out

[4:09:52] Voice 36: of community sustainability initiatives.

[4:09:56] Voice 36: The results for the ecological footprint and fingerprint will be woven together in various communication materials to identify challenges and opportunities for sustainable living on Galliano Islands.

[4:10:08] Voice 36: A few examples of our proposed outputs include a technical report, a podcast, a magazine, an interactive web map, a toolkit to support other islands in calculating their ecological footprint and fingerprint.

[4:10:22] Voice 36: And we plan to share our findings with the community in early 2022.

[4:10:27] Voice 36: Now, no matter what we find, the important thing is that we use our results and we learn

[4:10:34] Voice 36: how we can make improvements. On the larger scale, we're working towards creating a model

[4:10:39] Voice 36: for ecological footprinting and ecological fingerprinting that can be adapted to the

[4:10:45] Voice 36: surrounding islands and beyond. As we mentioned, islands face data gaps and we're hoping that

[4:10:51] Voice 36: either our methodology can be shared with all of the islands within the Islands Trust

[4:10:56] Voice 36: trust, or that our data can be used as a proxy for some of these calculations, because there's

[4:11:03] Voice 36: not much data out on small communities. Our hope is that an ecological footprint,

[4:11:10] Voice 36: fingerprint, and biocapacity measurements for Galliano can build climate action capacity,

[4:11:16] Voice 36: guiding community initiatives, lending weight to programs that already started and doing well,

[4:11:21] Voice 36: and provide baseline measurements to evaluate the success of future initiatives and policies.

[4:11:25] Voice 36: We want to demonstrate that Islanders can be leaders in climate change mitigation, adaption and inspire action in other communities.

[4:11:37] Voice 36: Then can we skip to the next slide? I think we're actually a bit behind on the slides, but I'll continue.

[4:11:46] Voice 36: So our call for participation is we are looking for interested parties from the Islands Trust area to reach out to us.

[4:11:56] Voice 36: We invite other local community groups to engage in this kind of work. We are very transparent

[4:12:03] Voice 36: in our methods and our data and we're willing to share our methodology as well as knowledge

[4:12:10] Voice 36: and mistakes that we've made along the way. If you happen to be a Galeano resident on this call,

[4:12:15] Voice 36: you have the unique opportunity to contribute to this project by filling out our surveys.

[4:12:21] Voice 36: If you have any questions about the project or are interested in participating,

[4:12:25] Voice 36: please email oneisland at gallianoconservancy.com.

[4:12:30] Voice 36: And we would like,

[4:12:31] Voice 36: I'd like to thank you for taking the time to listen today.

[4:12:34] Voice 36: We were just looking to use this platform

[4:12:37] Voice 36: to start the conversation

[4:12:38] Voice 36: in hopes of future island collaboration.

[4:12:42] Voice 36: Any questions?

[4:12:45] Voice 30: Well, thank you very much for your presentation there.

[4:12:50] Voice 30: Certainly a few questions

[4:12:52] Voice 30: and maybe I'll just ask a question quickly

[4:12:54] Voice 30: while I wait for other hands to come up.

[4:12:57] Voice 30: Are you also looking for regions beyond the Southern Gulf Islands?

[4:13:02] Voice 30: Like I noticed that Thetis and Gabriela and Hornby Denman are not included in your little

[4:13:09] Voice 30: maps that you have.

[4:13:11] Voice 30: Do you have the capacity to take on a broader area?

[4:13:14] Voice 30: How sound as well?

[4:13:16] Voice 36: Yeah, we're interested in collaborating with any of the islands in this area where we're

[4:13:22] Voice 36: just the first island to kind of take this initiative on in North America.

[4:13:26] Voice 36: It's been done in other places, but we're really just open to sharing resources and being transparent with anybody that's also interested in this type of thing.

[4:13:36] Voice 36: It's also our community-level data, after talking with some people working with the Islands Trust, said that this type of data can be very valuable as well because there's none out there.

[4:13:50] Voice 30: Well, thank you for coming to us and bringing us information.

[4:13:53] Voice 30: information. So, Trustee Woolwich, and I see has a question.

[4:13:58] Voice 23: Hi, Michelle. I was wondering if in your group of people who have participated, if you're

[4:14:07] Voice 23: getting a spread that matches our demographic, or if it's skewed to one or the other, and

[4:14:14] Voice 23: if it is, how you'll get everybody in?

[4:14:18] Voice 36: Yeah. So, we're doing two kind of rounds of data collection. We've done one in the spring,

[4:14:23] Voice 36: and now we're just prepping our summer and looking at the demographics we've done pretty good for

[4:14:29] Voice 36: household um how many people in a household and that type of thing but we

[4:14:34] Voice 36: have been missing out

[4:14:35] Voice 36: on data from some of the 65 plus um galliano is more heavy for our populations more skewed that

[4:14:43] Voice 36: way and just kind of with more active people in our immediate community as the conservancy

[4:14:50] Voice 36: we're getting a lot more younger households returning the surveys so we're definitely

[4:14:56] Voice 36: trying to push and get more data for a 65 plus age group okay thanks um

[4:15:03] Voice 30: i see trustee fast and uh

[4:15:05] Voice 30: trust yeah trustee fast thank

[4:15:09] Trustee Fast: you um my question michelle is um you mentioned that you're the first

[4:15:13] Trustee Fast: island in this area but it has been done other places uh where did the model come from or or

[4:15:18] Trustee Fast: Or who else is doing it in the world?

[4:15:21] Voice 36: Yes, there is one model that has been done in Germany.

[4:15:25] Voice 36: And her name is escaping me now, but I can definitely find that.

[4:15:31] Voice 36: And it was done on a northern island off of the coast of Germany.

[4:15:36] Voice 36: And that was a more, it's a more heavy tourism island.

[4:15:39] Voice 36: So it was looked at more from, is it sustainable tourism?

[4:15:46] Voice 36: But within that project, it also had the level of the fingerprint, which is a fairly new concept, so getting the culture aspect in there as well.

[4:15:58] Voice 36: But I'm so sorry, her name has slipped my mind at the moment.

[4:16:09] Voice 30: Okay, thank you very much, Michelle. I don't see any more questions at this time.

[4:16:15] Voice 30: Really great to see the Galliano Conservancy coming to us again and recognizing all the great

[4:16:21] Voice 30: work that you folks do over there. Thank you. So our next speaker then is the Rain Coast

[4:16:33] Voice 30: Conservation. Are you

[4:16:39] Voice 30: promoting these people? There you are, Sean Nadal.

[4:16:54] Voice 30: all. Nice to see you

[4:16:55] Voice 30: again. Thank you for joining us and please provide us your presentation. You

[4:17:03] Voice 30: have 10 minutes. Sounds great.

[4:17:05] Voice 34: Sounds good. And I have to give a shout out to the Conservancy

[4:17:08] Voice 34: because we use the same design for our slideshow. So it's a good one. So as the chair said, my name

[4:17:18] Voice 34: is Shawna Dahl. I'm the Gulf Islands Forest Project Coordinator with Raincoast Conservation Foundation.

[4:17:22] Voice 34: I have the privilege of calling in today from the traditional territory of the Songhees

[4:17:26] Voice 34: or Lugungwan-speaking peoples, more specifically on the lands of the Chilkoowich tribe near

[4:17:32] Voice 34: Point Gonzales in supposed Victoria.

[4:17:37] Voice 34: So next slide, please.

[4:17:42] Voice 34: So just to give you a quick overview of what I want to talk to you all about today, I'm

[4:17:46] Voice 34: going to start with some community voices, what we've been hearing from folks around

[4:17:50] Voice 34: the Islands Trust area over the last couple of months.

[4:17:53] Voice 34: I'm sure that some of you have heard the same feedback as well, but I thought it would be good

[4:17:56] Voice 34: to use Raincoast's platform to elevate some of those voices. The next point we'll be talking

[4:18:03] Voice 34: about environmental policy in the trust area, as is tradition for my delegations to you folks.

[4:18:08] Voice 34: And then finally, I want to introduce you to a new project that Raincoast is working on with

[4:18:12] Voice 34: Transition Salt Spring and the Los Angeles Leadership Council. Next slide, please.

[4:18:20] Voice 34: So community voices. As I'm sure you're all well aware, the last trust council meeting back in

[4:18:25] Voice 34: March, during which a motion by Trustee Critchley was defeated regarding the paramount importance

[4:18:34] Voice 34: of the environment. That caused a lot of concern among many Islanders. Again, I'm sure you all

[4:18:40] Voice 34: have heard some of these concerns yourself. But over the last four months since that happened,

[4:18:46] Voice 34: I think that there's been a significantly growing anxiety among many, especially as we hurdle

[4:18:52] Voice 34: towards the unprecedented impacts that climate change and biodiversity loss are undoubtedly

[4:18:57] Voice 34: going to bring to us. So I thought I would share some of the points that I've heard from folks

[4:19:04] Voice 34: here today from a few different islands. From Gabriela, I've been hearing a lot. I get pictures

[4:19:10] Voice 34: almost every week of clear cuts in residential lots, as well as logging trucks leaving the

[4:19:17] Voice 34: the island full of duck fur from Galliano.

[4:19:21] Voice 34: I've been sent a lot of clear cut photos as well.

[4:19:25] Voice 34: From Gambier, I was contacted recently

[4:19:27] Voice 34: about a BC approved clear cut in a mature forest

[4:19:30] Voice 34: right over a salmon bearing watershed with Spring Creek.

[4:19:34] Voice 34: From Salt Spring, I've also heard concerns

[4:19:36] Voice 34: about water availability and the piecemeal approaches

[4:19:39] Voice 34: that environmental protections have been put into place.

[4:19:42] Voice 34: One Islander wrote that there are no trade-offs here.

[4:19:45] Voice 34: There can be no, a little bit of this,

[4:19:46] Voice 34: a little bit of that if we don't work first and foremost to ensure the health of our ecosystems

[4:19:50] Voice 34: there's no way that we can ensure the health and well-being of our communities and this is just a

[4:19:55] Voice 34: sample of some of the things i've been hearing next slide please so it feels important and i

[4:20:03] Voice 34: know that you know this but i think that it's good to always reassert that the coastal douglas

[4:20:07] Voice 34: fur is the least protected zone in bc almost all ecological communities uh native to this place

[4:20:12] Voice 34: are considered endangered or threatened and that's according to a biologist at the conservation data

[4:20:18] Voice 34: data center. According to one BC forester I spoke to, there's less than 5% of these

[4:20:22] Voice 34: ecosystems remaining intact in all of BC. So strengthening environmental policy in the

[4:20:29] Voice 34: trust area is very important. I was happy to hear at the beginning of today's meetings

[4:20:35] Voice 34: that the chief administrative officer announced that there's continuing communications with

[4:20:38] Voice 34: the province. We've also been corresponding with the Ministry of Municipal Affairs trying

[4:20:44] Voice 34: trying to support your work in that respect.

[4:20:47] Voice 34: And additionally,

[4:20:48] Voice 34: Raincoast has recently hired a first year law student

[4:20:51] Voice 34: to complete a jurisdictional review of tree bylaws

[4:20:54] Voice 34: across the province and assess how those might inform

[4:20:57] Voice 34: the implementation of similar regulations

[4:20:59] Voice 34: in the Islands Trust area.

[4:21:00] Voice 34: And I would really love feedback from trustees

[4:21:02] Voice 34: on what they might like to see from the project

[4:21:05] Voice 34: that he is working on.

[4:21:07] Voice 34: If there's anything that we can do to help

[4:21:08] Voice 34: to move this work forward,

[4:21:11] Voice 34: we'd love to be able to do that.

[4:21:12] Voice 34: And I know that the trust policy statement discussion has been deferred to a different meeting because I know that it needs more time than can be dedicated to it in these three days of packed meetings, but I just wanted to touch on it very briefly.

[4:21:26] Voice 34: And Raincoast has submitted some significant feedback for actually twice, once on the current trust policy statement and one on the trust policy statement as it existed at the beginning of May.

[4:21:38] Voice 34: So those recommendations that Raincoast has are available to all of you.

[4:21:42] Voice 34: But something I just really want to stress here tonight is the operationality of the

[4:21:46] Voice 34: trust policy statement.

[4:21:48] Voice 34: I urge the Trust Programs Committee and everyone here tonight that the proper implementation

[4:21:54] Voice 34: of the trust policy statement as intended according to the Islands Trust Act to ensure

[4:21:59] Voice 34: protection policies are not cherry-picked.

[4:22:01] Voice 34: I just hope that the implementation piece of the trust policy statement is really emphasized.

[4:22:07] Voice 34: What we're really asking for here is that the TPS reflects the trust's duty of care

[4:22:11] Voice 34: to implement the trust objects, and that a clear statement is required that prioritizes the needs

[4:22:17] Voice 34: of the natural environment over the built environment, and that this directive is made

[4:22:22] Voice 34: operational and enforceable at the local planning level. Next slide, please. And then finally, a bit

[4:22:32] Voice 34: of really exciting news. There's a new project called Kwe Nyi Tel, Working Together to Restore

[4:22:39] Voice 34: our lands and culture. This is a collaborative project really spearheaded by the Wasatch

[4:22:44] Voice 34: Leadership Council, but supported by Transition Salt Spring and Raincoast Conservation Foundation.

[4:22:49] Voice 34: Ultimately, it is a blue and green carbon project that aims to unlock nature-based climate solutions

[4:22:56] Voice 34: through reconciliation-driven terrestrial marine-based restoration and stewardship in the

[4:23:01] Voice 34: Salish Sea. So that basically means that we want to create opportunities for people to create jobs,

[4:23:07] Voice 34: to have economic opportunities around restoration rather than extraction, and that's made possible

[4:23:13] Voice 34: through the sequestration of carbon. This was just an idea late last year, and it's kind of

[4:23:21] Voice 34: taken shape through many, many meetings and a workshop that was hosted back in March that some

[4:23:27] Voice 34: trustees that are here tonight were in attendance for. And now we are applying for a really big fund

[4:23:34] Voice 34: to try to get this off the ground

[4:23:36] Voice 34: and support the next five years of work

[4:23:37] Voice 34: to get this in place.

[4:23:40] Voice 34: So I'm really happy to just tell you about it.

[4:23:43] Voice 34: I wanted everyone to be aware that this is happening

[4:23:45] Voice 34: and I welcome any questions about that

[4:23:47] Voice 34: and how you might be able to help contribute

[4:23:50] Voice 34: to the development of this project as it goes forward.

[4:23:53] Voice 34: And my last slide is just to show

[4:23:56] Voice 34: that there's time for questions if you have them.

[4:23:58] Voice 34: Thanks for listening.

[4:24:00] Voice 30: Thank you very much, Shauna,

[4:24:02] Voice 30: for another

[4:24:02] Voice 34: very

[4:24:03] Voice 30: interesting presentation. We will go to questions now, and thank you for

[4:24:08] Voice 30: leaving time for that. Trustee Ben McConkie has his hand up, and then Trustee Laura Patrick.

[4:24:15] Trustee McConchie: Thank you for coming and speaking today to Trust Council and to everyone for speaking here.

[4:24:20] Trustee McConchie: I especially want to commend your organization on its work with the First Nations communities here.

[4:24:25] Trustee McConchie: I too am well disturbed by the fact that the Islands Trust has voted to turn into a social

[4:24:32] Trustee McConchie: housing trust. And I am disturbed by the lack of leadership with regards to environmental

[4:24:39] Trustee McConchie: protection that the trust should be doing. I'm curious to know why from your organization,

[4:24:45] Trustee McConchie: you guys decided to take a one-page ad of a clear cut of North Pender. Because I do recall

[4:24:53] Trustee McConchie: my interactions with your organization were one where I received from one of your directors

[4:24:59] Trustee McConchie: stating what is to be done and I responded I can't do anything because I do not have the

[4:25:06] Trustee McConchie: the toolkit necessary to make these things to prevent these things from happening. I'm curious

[4:25:12] Trustee McConchie: to know why Rain your group decided to take that ad out and what can the Islands Trust do to support

[4:25:21] Trustee McConchie: Thank you

[4:25:24] Voice 34: for that question. We took that ad out to show the rest of BC what is possible on the islands because we don't have the regulations that we need.

[4:25:39] Voice 34: So the idea was to raise public awareness and also to put pressure on the province to really prioritize this.

[4:25:46] Voice 34: so I think that the trust is moving in the right direction by engaging in those talks and putting

[4:25:53] Voice 34: energy into creating that capacity and that dialogue between the province and the trust to

[4:25:58] Voice 34: get those tools in place so that something can be done so those things don't happen

[4:26:03] Voice 34: so that that was our main objective and I think that we're moving in the direction we need to be

[4:26:08] Voice 34: moving in to achieve the goal that we all want to see I hope that answers your question thank you

[4:26:17] Voice 30: Trustee Patrick?

[4:26:20] Trustee Patrick: Good evening.

[4:26:21] Trustee Patrick: Thank you so much, Shauna.

[4:26:24] Trustee Patrick: I think you're aware that I had raised a motion at the Executive Committee to ask staff to look at the Nature Smart Climate Solutions Fund and opportunities to partnership.

[4:26:33] Trustee Patrick: Could you maybe talk about what opportunities would you see for the Islands Trust to partner with this grant intake in the fall?

[4:26:42] Voice 34: That's a really good question.

[4:26:44] Voice 34: And I did see that, and thank you for bringing that to the Executive Council's attention.

[4:26:49] Voice 34: I think that right now we're still in the funding stages, so I think that we've already

[4:26:54] Voice 34: gotten a couple letters of support from folks that I think will be influential in getting

[4:26:59] Voice 34: our initial letter of interest through to the proposal stage.

[4:27:03] Voice 34: Once we enter into that proposal stage, I think that what we're going to need is just

[4:27:11] Voice 34: support in finding the places to do the pilot projects that we need to get in place to absorb

[4:27:18] Voice 34: the carbon that we need to absorb. We need to we need eelgrass funding probably because that

[4:27:26] Voice 34: can be really expensive and we have an organization on board that's willing to

[4:27:31] Voice 34: help us with eelgrass restoration but it despite the funding we're applying for that

[4:27:36] Voice 34: that there's always more money needed for projects like this.

[4:27:40] Voice 34: That's how that works.

[4:27:43] Voice 34: And I think that we just need to,

[4:27:44] Voice 34: we need elected officials to make space for projects like this,

[4:27:48] Voice 34: to reimagine business as usual paradigms so that we can put new

[4:27:54] Voice 34: initiatives forward that foster restoration as opposed to extraction.

[4:27:59] Voice 34: And I think that's especially prevalent in the trust where we're trying to

[4:28:02] Voice 34: have sustainable communities and foster those really healthy environments.

[4:28:13] Voice 30: Okay, thank you, Shona, for that answer. I don't see any more questions, so really want to thank

[4:28:21] Voice 30: you for coming to Trust Council again, and I look forward to seeing you again sometime in the future

[4:28:26] Voice 30: and an update on your projects and your work, so thank you.

[4:28:31] Voice 34: Thank you, I'll be back in four months,

[4:28:32] Voice 34: I'm sure. Thanks everyone.

[4:28:37] Voice 30: So we're now going to go to the town hall portion of the agenda and we

[4:28:42] Voice 30: have quite a few people on the line here and so what I would like to do is ask you to raise your

[4:28:48] Voice 30: digital hands and I see that some of you have figured out how to raise those hands. If you're

[4:29:05] Voice 30: you to raise a digital hand if you've connected on the live streaming portion of the meeting

[4:29:11] Voice 30: you'll need to log out of there and come in as a request for an attendee and we can get you

[4:29:19] Voice 30: into the queue to allow you to interact directly with us so at the moment I'm going to acknowledge

[4:29:25] Voice 30: I see one person with a phone number and you're second on my list so I'll just ask you who your

[4:29:30] Voice 30: what your name is when i get there but we'll start off with jennifer margeson and we've just

[4:29:38] Voice 30: promoted you to be able to speak to council so i'm pleased the floor is yours and we have two

[4:29:45] Voice 30: minutes and speak to issues relevant to the trust area as a whole and indeed be kind and respectful

[4:29:55] Voice 30: respectful to trustees and everybody else that is listening from home today.

[4:30:00] Voice 30: go ahead uh

[4:30:03] Voice 8: can you hear me yes

[4:30:05] Voice 30: we can okay

[4:30:06] Voice 8: thank thank you very much for giving me this opportunity

[4:30:08] Voice 8: um uh speaking as a galliano resident the trust process as i have experienced it over the past

[4:30:15] Voice 8: three years is very hard to follow um i have worked hard to inform myself about different

[4:30:23] Voice 8: aspects of it and different documents but there seems to be so much paper so many words and i

[4:30:30] Voice 8: have to say so little reference made to these in the deliberations that i have witnessed so far

[4:30:37] Voice 8: that the trust can give both development and protection of the natural environment equivalent

[4:30:43] Voice 8: weight is in my view illogical especially as we know that the islands trust was created to limit

[4:30:50] Voice 8: development in order to protect the environment and this doesn't mean extinguishing development

[4:30:55] Voice 8: but to proceed very carefully with development and to, yes, give protection of the natural environment priority.

[4:31:05] Voice 8: Of course, you can theoretically have multiple priorities, but not if one is so potentially dangerous to or at odds with the other.

[4:31:15] Voice 8: Regulating human development activity in the trust area is the very essence of the trust.

[4:31:20] Voice 8: I think that the essential question that needs to be asked of each development proposal is, does it affect the environment, and how, and then how much?

[4:31:31] Voice 8: We are already fighting, in my view, a rearguard action in terms of water availability, forest cover, fire risk, climate change, noise, pollution, and also, in fact, housing.

[4:31:45] Voice 8: but our human footprint on the landscape is already huge and is in fact bigger than we really

[4:31:53] Voice 8: see with already approved future build-out. This absolutely needs to be taken into account

[4:32:00] Voice 8: and hard decisions will need to be made about how much further stress the natural environment can

[4:32:07] Voice 8: can take. And yes, some people will be unhappy, but an unhappy environment is ultimately worse.

[4:32:16] Voice 8: The jobs I see of trustees and planners are very tough ones. The issues are complex and pressure

[4:32:23] Voice 8: comes from many directions. But I have observed trust resources seemingly being ineptly and

[4:32:32] Voice 8: wastefully used in a process that does not first assess environmental impact or does so in an

[4:32:40] Voice 8: incomplete and biased way and it just means to me that there are too many reports statements

[4:32:48] Voice 8: commitments policies and yes even bylaws that are regarded only as guidelines when it comes to the

[4:32:55] Voice 8: ltc process so i'll finish just by saying that in my view that is why we need much stronger

[4:33:03] Voice 8: trust policy statement directives and a clear priority focus on the natural environment

[4:33:09] Voice 8: so that trustees now and in the future can clearly see as can their constituents the path they are

[4:33:18] Voice 8: are to follow and I believe that there would be far less conflict and much better problem solving

[4:33:25] Voice 8: in our small communities if that were the case. Thank you very much.

[4:33:30] Voice 30: Well thank you very much for

[4:33:32] Voice 30: your insights there. You appreciate that and we'll certainly reflect on them. I'm going to go to the

[4:33:39] Voice 30: next speaker now and that is a phone number that ends with 1577. So you've been promoted to speaker

[4:33:48] Voice 30: or if you could just introduce yourselves that would be terrific thank you you

[4:33:52] Voice 38: have two minutes

[4:33:52] Voice 38: can you hear me

[4:33:54] Voice 30: yeah

[4:33:55] Voice 38: it's a little quiet

[4:33:56] Voice 30: but uh you keep going i'll

[4:34:00] Voice 38: try to turn up the sound

[4:34:02] Voice 38: okay i have two issues i want to address today first i wish to request that the islands trust

[4:34:09] Voice 38: provide a way to listen to previous local trust committee meetings for people who lack fast

[4:34:16] Voice 38: internet. I can listen to meetings as they occur in real time over the

[4:34:22] Voice 38: phone, but the

[4:34:23] Voice 38: past meeting version currently available on the TUS website are not accessible to me.

[4:34:29] Voice 38: It is odd because I don't have problems with any other platform. I can even listen to audio

[4:34:36] Voice 38: and video from Capital Regional District meetings, but I know I'm not the only person that has

[4:34:42] Voice 38: this difficulty. I really hope you can find a way for me and others with the

[4:34:48] Voice 38: same internet limitations to at least hear at least our own local trust

[4:34:53] Voice 38: committee meetings as we could in the past. Now the second part I want to talk

[4:34:59] Voice 38: about the trust policy statement and I want to state my really strong support

[4:35:04] Voice 38: for the recommendations from the Rainforest Foundation. They have really

[4:35:08] Voice 38: hit the mark exactly and I urge you to adopt all of their recommendations

[4:35:13] Voice 38: including the following it's really important to have directive policies

[4:35:18] Voice 38: because they're the only ones that can be required and therefore have some

[4:35:22] Voice 38: force so we need as many directive policies as possible also we need a

[4:35:29] Voice 38: methodology to define and measure each island's carrying capacity I know some

[4:35:34] Voice 38: of the trustees did not think this was possible but raincoast has provided references and this

[4:35:40] Voice 38: is really i think it's essential also we need to incorporate cumulative effects development

[4:35:47] Voice 38: proposals must be considered in the context of existing and planned developments especially when

[4:35:53] Voice 38: it comes to protecting water because the current requirements for improving water don't consider

[4:35:59] Voice 38: consider that maybe there's another project down the block that you know just has been approved but

[4:36:05] Voice 38: isn't using the water yet last it's critical that the trust policy statement be linked to a strategy

[4:36:13] Voice 38: to achieve it that is operational thank you okay

[4:36:20] Voice 30: thank you very much for uh your message and

[4:36:23] Voice 30: certainly we can look into that internet issue that's interesting i know that they are very big

[4:36:28] Voice 30: files and maybe that's part of the problem so thank you for coming today um the next speaker

[4:36:35] Voice 30: would be uh past trustee deborah ferns and so we'll get you promoted and uh nice to see you

[4:36:44] Voice 30: joining us today deborah you'll have to unmute yourself hello

[4:36:58] Voice 13: happy oceans day to all the

[4:37:02] Voice 13: the trustees. My name is Deborah Farrans. I'm joining you from Gabriola Island from

[4:37:08] Voice 13: the traditional and unceded territory of the Nanaimak First Nations. And I'm here on behalf

[4:37:14] Voice 13: of the Gulf Islands Alliance to provide some comments on the amended draft version 1.0

[4:37:20] Voice 13: of the trust policy statement. We had missed our deadline to be a delegation. So this is a very

[4:37:27] Voice 13: very reduced talking points from what would have been a delegation.

[4:37:32] Voice 13: So I'll try and be within the two minutes.

[4:37:35] Voice 13: Mainly, I'll be talking about reconciliation and climate change,

[4:37:40] Voice 13: the Islands Trust object and its meaning,

[4:37:42] Voice 13: and the present context that's in the amended draft version.

[4:37:48] Voice 13: Concerning the reconciliation and climate change,

[4:37:51] Voice 13: the Gulf Islands Alliance strongly supports the following new acknowledgement,

[4:37:55] Voice 13: Acknowledgement 1.1, Part 1 in the introduction.

[4:37:59] Voice 13: We also support the goal of the new Part 3, quote,

[4:38:04] Voice 13: the regional governance to foster regional governance approaches

[4:38:08] Voice 13: that upholds the Islands Trust Object and honour regional commitments

[4:38:12] Voice 13: to reconciliation and climate change.

[4:38:15] Voice 13: We support the new and stronger climate and biodiversity crisis

[4:38:20] Voice 13: crisis and restoration and adaptive management in part four, the ecosystem preservation and

[4:38:28] Voice 13: protection and the important and significant policy directives contained in the new section

[4:38:33] Voice 13: 3.1 regional governance policies and directives. Quote, the priority on the integrity of the

[4:38:41] Voice 13: environment and indigenous cultural heritage in all decision making and where necessary limit the

[4:38:47] Voice 13: rate and scale of growth and development that's 3.1.9 concerning the islands trust object and its

[4:38:54] Voice 13: meaning um quote the act established the trust as a special purpose government with a conservation

[4:39:01] Voice 13: oriented responsibility to preserve and protect the islands trust area for the benefit of the

[4:39:07] Voice 13: residents of the trust area and of bc more broadly uh gaia gulf islands alliance believes that this

[4:39:13] Voice 13: is a considerable improvement in the clarity of intent and purpose over the statement in the

[4:39:18] Voice 13: current policy statement. And examining the statement to preserve and protect in section 1.4

[4:39:24] Voice 13: does fall short of clarifying the mandate and quote, the mandate to preserve requires policy

[4:39:31] Voice 13: approaches that place priority on preserving the integrity of the environment and Indigenous

[4:39:36] Voice 13: Indigenous cultural heritage in the trust area, the mandate to protect calls for policy approaches

[4:39:42] Voice 13: that promote sustainability and resilience. The preserve part of the statement is clear,

[4:39:48] Voice 13: but the mandate to protect calling for policy approaches promoting sustainability and resilience

[4:39:54] Voice 13: seem particularly unclear, unmotivating, and lacking directive stewardship. We suggest the

[4:40:01] Voice 13: following the mandate to protect calls for policy approaches that promote planning tools and

[4:40:07] Voice 13: measures that commit to curbing environmental and cultural heritage loss and degradation in the trust

[4:40:14] Voice 13: area

[4:40:15] Voice 33: in

[4:40:16] Voice 13: the concerning the present context 1.3 Gaia supports the centrality of reconciliation

[4:40:24] Voice 13: climate change and biodiversity loss in the present context 1.3 we contend though that

[4:40:31] Voice 13: That the present context warrants the inclusion of the growing recognition that many of the islands are reaching environmental tipping points and the significance of this alarming situation deserves mention.

[4:40:45] Voice 13: And also the urgency of the climate emergency with reference to Trust Council's climate emergency declaration cannot be understated and must inform the policy statement in articulating Trust Council's general policy approach.

[4:41:00] Voice 13: approach pressures on the water supply demands for intensified land use and residential development

[4:41:07] Voice 13: remain critically relevant almost 50 years after establishing the act but are largely missing from

[4:41:14] Voice 13: the new present context the capacity of the trust areas resources remain limited and fragile the

[4:41:21] Voice 13: cumulative development threats and impacts are even greater today than in 1974 or 1986 there

[4:41:29] Voice 13: there should be more attention in the present context

[4:41:32] Voice 13: to the continuing and accelerating development threats

[4:41:35] Voice 13: to the trust areas, environment, sensitive ecosystem

[4:41:38] Voice 13: and limited resources.

[4:41:40] Voice 13: And I'm almost approaching the end.

[4:41:42] Voice 13: While affordable housing is a major local

[4:41:45] Voice 13: and global concern,

[4:41:46] Voice 13: Gaia believes this reference should be removed

[4:41:49] Voice 13: from the present context and is more properly addressed

[4:41:52] Voice 13: in the section 6.2 housing policies.

[4:41:55] Voice 13: And in conclusion, please act decisively and with boldness to craft the trust policy statement with the vision, directive policies and tools that can preserve and protect the ecological integrity and First Nations cultural heritage of the trust area by doing more to manage growth and development.

[4:42:16] Voice 13: You heard this 50 years ago, 26 years ago, and in recent months as people from across the islands responded to the report, what we heard, Islands 2050.

[4:42:28] Voice 13: The connection to the island's natural environment is of great and abiding value, as is support for the island's Trust, Preserve and Protect mandate.

[4:42:37] Voice 13: mandate. The Gulf Islands Alliance is a non-profit grassroots organization actively dedicated to the

[4:42:42] Voice 13: protection of the natural environment and habitats of BC's Gulf Islands for now and future generations

[4:42:48] Voice 13: and GAIA supports the islands trust federation in achieving its legislated object. Thank you very

[4:42:56] Voice 13: much for your time. I appreciate it and I would like to submit this the longer version to the

[4:43:01] Voice 13: staff and i'll follow up on how to get that into the records thank you hey yeah well thank you

[4:43:08] Voice 30: deborah i i was engaged in your presentation i lost track of time so i apologize to counsel for

[4:43:14] Voice 30: allowing some overtime there but uh thank you for your message um i'm going to go to the next uh

[4:43:22] Voice 30: speaker. Yes, Trustee Morrison.

[4:43:27] Trustee Morrison: If I can just ask Deborah to email that forward to myself and

[4:43:33] Trustee Morrison: Delaney Hippola, that would be helpful.

[4:43:37] Voice 30: Sure. I think probably we'll get it through

[4:43:39] Voice 30: Lori, and Lori will distribute it to everybody. That'd be great. Thank you.

[4:43:43] Voice 30: yeah thank you um okay so let's reset the timer here now and uh and uh jacinthe uh eastick uh

[4:43:54] Voice 30: thank you for joining us from gabriela island tonight and uh the floor is yours and um if you

[4:43:59] Voice 30: can keep your presentation two minutes that would be appreciated

[4:44:02] Voice 40: okay um good evening thank you for

[4:44:07] Voice 40: hearing me I was surprised today I listened most of you know as much as I

[4:44:14] Voice 40: could of the proceedings and I was surprised that under business arising

[4:44:21] Voice 40: when the minutes were adopted that there was no consideration of reconsideration

[4:44:29] Voice 40: there was no consideration of reconsideration of the motions made in

[4:44:34] Voice 40: in March council meeting.

[4:44:37] Voice 40: So I'm hoping that perhaps it will be at a later date,

[4:44:41] Voice 40: but I thought it would have been at the moment.

[4:44:44] Voice 40: That's why I tuned in to hear

[4:44:47] Voice 40: if the bulk of the correspondence that you received

[4:44:53] Voice 40: asking for you to reconsider those

[4:44:57] Voice 40: was heated in some ways or even talked about, but nada.

[4:45:02] Voice 40: So, I was surprised, but what I am most concerned about, actually, I would support the revisiting

[4:45:09] Voice 40: of that motion, of course, Trustee Critchley's motion that was defeated, but the one that

[4:45:16] Voice 40: is giving me even more concern is Trustee Rogers' motion that actually gives interpretation

[4:45:25] Voice 40: to Section 3 of the Islands Trust Act.

[4:45:28] Voice 40: And you know what this is,

[4:45:32] Voice 40: is to acknowledge now suddenly it is inclusive community,

[4:45:37] Voice 40: including but not limited to housing and transportation.

[4:45:42] Voice 40: We've tried this in 1994

[4:45:45] Voice 40: and to petition the trust council at the time

[4:45:48] Voice 40: interpreted Section 3 as meaning healthy communities.

[4:45:51] Voice 40: 21 years later or 27 years later, whatever it is,

[4:45:55] Voice 40: We have communities that are not healthy.

[4:45:59] Voice 40: We have allowed bylaws, regulations to be ignored, blatantly ignored.

[4:46:11] Voice 40: ignored, and we ended up with a problem that would not be as severe had we enforced the

[4:46:19] Voice 40: bylaws and not allowing people to break the regulations and housing people in less than

[4:46:24] Voice 40: standard places.

[4:46:27] Voice 40: So now in 2021, Section 3 reads as inclusive community, which I have no idea what it is

[4:46:35] Voice 40: that you meant in that.

[4:46:37] Voice 40: and the the words in bracket not limited to is leaving it to interpretation what does that mean

[4:46:46] Voice 40: not limited to i mean what does that mean this is just one point that i wanted to bring to your

[4:46:55] Voice 40: attention and if i had the time i have other points i would like to talk to you about thank you

[4:47:00] Voice 30: Okay, thank you very much, Jacinthe. Appreciate that. Are there any other members of the public

[4:47:08] Voice 30: that would like to speak? I don't see any other raised hands at this time. I see Jacinthe has

[4:47:17] Voice 30: raised her hand a second time, and I'll just see if there's anybody else that wishes to speak a

[4:47:22] Voice 30: first time. There's a number of people in the audience. Anybody that wishes to speak a first

[4:47:27] Voice 30: I see Jennifer Marguson has a hand up for a second time as well.

[4:47:36] Voice 30: I'm not seeing any other speakers.

[4:47:41] Voice 30: I guess I'm going to be inclined to go on a first come first serve basis here.

[4:47:45] Voice 30: And Jacinthe, you did get your hand back up.

[4:47:48] Voice 30: And so if you'd like another two minutes and then I'll come to Jennifer Marguson, unless there's somebody that wants to speak a first time.

[4:47:55] Voice 30: So Jacinthe, back to you. Two minutes, if you don't mind.

[4:48:01] Voice 40: thank you um the um second topic i wanted to talk about uh was um

[4:48:07] Voice 40: the holding of electronic meetings and unfortunately i wasn't able to hear the result

[4:48:15] Voice 40: of the vote i had to leave so i do not know what was decided so forgive me if i am out of context

[4:48:23] Voice 40: or something to my mind local trust committee meetings should take place on the islands they are

[4:48:30] Voice 40: as you know, they are addressing. So if it is a Gabriela local trust committee meeting,

[4:48:36] Voice 40: it should happen on Gabriela. And it should be person to person meeting and recorded,

[4:48:42] Voice 40: but not for interaction. If people cannot attend, they can listen to it at a later date,

[4:48:48] Voice 40: but they don't need to, they cannot re-interact. That's to save money. You can also save money by

[4:48:55] Voice 40: By not having staff traveling to those local press committee meetings, it can be done quite easily with simplifying, amplifying a, what do you call it, a standalone telephone, whatever.

[4:49:10] Voice 40: Now I cannot come up with the term, a speakerphone.

[4:49:13] Voice 40: And they can talk to you from a speakerphone, amplified, everybody can hear what they're saying, you save money.

[4:49:19] Voice 40: You're saying that some of you, our two trustees mentioned, oh, we need more planners.

[4:49:25] Voice 40: I'm saying you need more enforcement officers. And yeah, I think Trustee Boucherkin and Trustee Scott mentioned that you need more planners.

[4:49:38] Voice 40: I understand you need more planners, but actually what happens in life is that you are spending loads of money with staff time,

[4:49:47] Voice 40: consultation and things for creating bylaws and regulations associated to them but if the bylaws

[4:49:55] Voice 40: are not respected and are breached nothing is happening and it festers and it grows and

[4:50:04] Voice 40: everybody is doing the same they can rent a cottage there that is not supposed to why can't

[4:50:09] Voice 40: i do this oh you are doing this you know i can cut my trees i can track my well i can you know

[4:50:16] Voice 40: I don't know if there is any law not allowing people to frack wells, but really, it puts somebody else's dry.

[4:50:23] Voice 40: That should be something to be addressed.

[4:50:25] Voice 40: All I'm saying is that try to not think so much about development.

[4:50:31] Voice 40: You are supposed to control development.

[4:50:34] Voice 40: Think about what is necessary to make your rules abide by.

[4:50:39] Voice 40: It's unfortunate that people don't listen to rules, but maybe sometimes it's necessary to have a bigger stick to make them do so.

[4:50:46] Voice 40: Thank you.

[4:50:47] Voice 30: Thank you again, Jacinthe. I'm going to go now to Jennifer Marguson a second time.

[4:51:12] Voice 30: We've said a strange sound in the building here. It sounded like a train was going through

[4:51:16] Voice 30: downstairs. Jennifer Marguson, is

[4:51:30] Voice 8: that on our sound system? No. Oh, there we go. I think,

[4:51:36] Voice 8: is that all right

[4:51:37] Voice 30: that's good now yeah

[4:51:38] Voice 8: okay um i i recently uh asked the trust for the job

[4:51:44] Voice 8: descriptions of the planners and i was sent three uh levels of planner job descriptions and i was

[4:51:53] Voice 8: just really interested to know more about the role of a planner and um i wanted to mention that

[4:51:59] Voice 8: it is actually only in one job description and it appears to be the highest level at least the

[4:52:06] Voice 8: highest level i was sent i was sent a planner one a planner two and an island planner job description

[4:52:15] Voice 8: i'm not entirely sure what the differences would be between those but nevertheless it was only in

[4:52:22] Voice 8: the island planner planning officer in 27 that there actually was any mention of their role

[4:52:29] Voice 8: in terms of the natural environment and that was quite brief it was just in two places under

[4:52:37] Voice 8: accountabilities it stated evaluating impacts on environmental and socio-economic resources so

[4:52:46] Voice 8: So it wasn't given any particular emphasis there, and then undertakes reviews of topical

[4:52:53] Voice 8: policy issues related to island communities, such as ecological protection, and then there's

[4:52:59] Voice 8: a whole list of other things like foreshore management, home occupations, short-term

[4:53:04] Voice 8: vacation rentals, and so on.

[4:53:06] Voice 8: And so I do find that curious, that with such an essential role on each island as the planner,

[4:53:16] Voice 8: that in their job description, there is either no emphasis on their role in protection of the natural environment or very minimal.

[4:53:28] Voice 8: And I just wondered if that had ever been addressed by anyone. Thank you.

[4:53:37] Voice 30: Well, thank you for that question. I don't have an immediate answer for that.

[4:53:43] Voice 30: but we'll take I noted the CAO was making some notes so I see David Mahler has actually jumped

[4:53:52] Voice 30: onto the screen the director of local planning services seems like he would like to respond to

[4:53:58] Voice 30: that so perhaps you can help us with that question about the job descriptions yeah

[4:54:03] Voice 39: so thank you the

[4:54:05] Voice 39: my response to that is I can provide more information to you individually on the role

[4:54:11] Voice 39: of planners if you wanted to contact me at the office sometime later this week or next week

[4:54:16] Voice 39: i will say though that those job descriptions were written quite a while back and we're always

[4:54:22] Voice 39: looking at them part of the renewal of local planning services is that you intend to review

[4:54:28] Voice 39: the job descriptions of all of the planning positions as well as the administrative positions

[4:54:34] Voice 39: partly to look at making sure that they're still current and that they're reflective so that

[4:54:40] Voice 39: So that is really good feedback and I'll certainly take that into consideration. So thank you.

[4:54:46] Voice 30: Well,

[4:54:47] Voice 39: thank you very much,

[4:54:47] Voice 30: David. Good answer.

[4:54:49] Voice 30: So thank you. So I see Toby Elliott as a new first time speaker.

[4:54:59] Voice 30: So Toby Elliott, we'll turn it over to you.

[4:55:04] Voice 22: Hello. Thank you, Chair and Trust Council.

[4:55:07] Voice 22: All I wanted to say was thank you that I think you guys and folks and you're doing an amazing job.

[4:55:17] Voice 22: You're trying to balance the ecological protection of these amazing islands that we are privileged to live on.

[4:55:23] Voice 22: You're trying to incorporate reconciliation, real action and new policies that would honour the cultural heritage of these islands.

[4:55:35] Voice 22: and you're trying to house diverse and healthy communities and I hear the debates that's going

[4:55:44] Voice 22: that are going on and I just want to say thank you for the work that you're doing

[4:55:47] Voice 22: I think you're doing excellent work and I we really appreciate it so that's it

[4:55:52] Voice 22: thank

[4:55:54] Voice 30: you very much Toby for those kind remarks

[4:56:00] Voice 30: now it's complicated here Jacinta has spoken twice already Michael Sketch was a delegate

[4:56:06] Voice 30: and is now asking to speak a first time in the town hall session so I'm inclined to

[4:56:15] Voice 30: who knows I'm going to go first come first serve actually and that's what I said earlier

[4:56:20] Voice 30: so just synth had her hand up to speak a third time and then we'll go to Michael Sketch

[4:56:28] Voice 40: hello sorry I you know I'm following this I've been an EPCer for about 12 years I've been

[4:56:36] Voice 40: following trust matters since 1982 i'm a 40-year residence on gabriola and i understand that was

[4:56:48] Voice 40: interesting to sound um there was thunder around here so perhaps that's what it was

[4:56:53] Voice 40: um jennifer brought about a question that i had as well in terms of roles

[4:56:59] Voice 40: there is nowhere that i can see in any documents about the role the chair of a local trust

[4:57:06] Voice 40: trust committee. I understand that the role of a chair of a trust committee is to, of course,

[4:57:13] Voice 40: Robert's rules, chair the meeting and break the tie. But in some understanding of mine in the past

[4:57:23] Voice 40: is the role of the chair is to represent the federation. And I would like to know if that

[4:57:30] Voice 40: is the case. And if it is the case, I would like to know where I can find that information.

[4:57:35] Voice 40: I have, because my two minutes is not probably done that that was was just one question.

[4:57:42] Voice 40: The CEO this afternoon mentioned that in regards to Douglas fir protection.

[4:57:49] Voice 40: We, we have to show that we are a special area, quote unquote, and Planet Mahler talked about tree protection by law.

[4:57:59] Voice 40: it sounds like you are heading in the right direction you know and i i commend you um for

[4:58:07] Voice 40: that um oh my goodness and i had one more oh yes if douglas fir um you know the coastal douglas

[4:58:16] Voice 40: fir is so important and why are we building uh housing densify housing into heritage

[4:58:25] Voice 40: British forest zones or mature Douglas fir stand, that is to me not being consistent

[4:58:34] Voice 40: with the talk that we have.

[4:58:37] Voice 40: So we have to be careful as to what we're doing.

[4:58:41] Voice 40: We're going to lose our credibility if we don't.

[4:58:44] Voice 40: Thank you.

[4:58:49] Voice 30: Thank you.

[4:58:51] Voice 30: I'm afraid I don't have an immediate answer for you on your question without some thought.

[4:58:58] Voice 30: but I can tell you that the chair represents

[4:59:01] Voice 30: the trust council and the decisions of trust council

[4:59:05] Voice 30: and supports trust council in its decision making

[4:59:09] Voice 30: and certainly council's responsibility

[4:59:13] Voice 30: as members of the Federation work together

[4:59:16] Voice 30: in the interests of the Federation.

[4:59:20] Voice 30: But that's all I can offer you at this time.

[4:59:24] Voice 30: Michael Sketch, you would like

[4:59:27] Voice 30: to address trust council again.

[4:59:30] Voice 1: Yes, thank you. Can you hear me?

[4:59:33] Voice 30: Yes, sir.

[4:59:36] Voice 1: Jennifer Margeson of Galliano raised a really, I think, crucial question about planner job descriptions.

[4:59:44] Voice 1: And I was really very interested to hear what she had to say.

[4:59:47] Voice 1: I saw, perhaps I'm incorrect, but I saw on my screen a hand up from Trustee Morrison, who is our North Pender trustee.

[4:59:57] Voice 1: And if she did wish to speak, I would be very.

[5:00:00] Voice 1: interested in what she has to say to that matter um

[5:00:04] Voice 30: yeah i didn't see it i didn't i'm watching an

[5:00:07] Voice 30: attendees list actually um but um uh do you i guess trustee morrison did you have anything

[5:00:16] Voice 30: to add to david marla's response on that um

[5:00:21] Trustee Morrison: i was just going to directly answer the question that

[5:00:25] Trustee Morrison: jennifer had so i don't know how many trustees have done this or not but yes i've actually

[5:00:31] Trustee Morrison: gone through and read the majority of job descriptions in the trust and particularly

[5:00:34] Trustee Morrison: in planning services because I had the same concerns and questions.

[5:00:40] Voice 30: Okay thank you. Thank

[5:00:43] Voice 30: you Michael. Are there any other speakers that would like to address council tonight?

[5:00:50] Voice 30: I see the list of attendees is getting fewer so perhaps we've run out of steam here today so I'll

[5:00:58] Voice 30: just ask one more time is there anybody else that would like to address council tonight? All right

[5:01:07] Voice 30: Council. I think that that concludes our town hall session here. I want to thank all of the

[5:01:13] Voice 30: members of the public that have come to

[5:01:15] Voice 30: join us and ask questions and watch this on the live

[5:01:19] Voice 30: streaming. And I thank Council for coming out this evening. And we will be reconvening tomorrow

[5:01:25] Voice 30: morning at 9am. We'll be picking up where we left off with the items at the end of the

[5:01:34] Voice 30: day that we

[5:01:35] Voice 30: didn't get to not

[5:01:36] Voice 6: seeing those at the

[5:01:37] Voice 30: moment but you know where we are and um um and we'll have a

[5:01:42] Voice 30: good day so have a good rest of your evening and i'll ask for a motion to recess for the day

[5:01:50] Voice 30: anybody i moved i moved every recess thank you trustee langer i sent a secondary uh trustee

[5:01:59] Voice 30: stanford i think i saw your hand up and so all those in favor and so that carries so we are

[5:02:06] Voice 30: our recess and we will return here 9 a.m. to continue on with our agenda. Thank you.