Islands Trust Council community information meeting, June 21, 2021

[0:00:02] Trustee Luckham: Okay, and I see Director Fall has joined us as well.

[0:00:07] Voice 2: Yes, thank you. You're welcome.

[0:00:08] Trustee Luckham: Great. So good morning, everyone, both trustees and staff and members of the public that are joining us today.

[0:00:20] Trustee Luckham: Certainly, it's convenient to continue to have these electronic meetings, but we are certainly also looking forward to having more in-person meetings.

[0:00:29] Trustee Luckham: as we, quote, restart.

[0:00:35] Trustee Luckham: Not sure what we're restarting as,

[0:00:37] Trustee Luckham: but I guess we'll figure that out.

[0:00:40] Trustee Luckham: So thank you again for joining us.

[0:00:42] Trustee Luckham: I want to make two acknowledgements,

[0:00:45] Trustee Luckham: actually, at the moment today.

[0:00:47] Trustee Luckham: I want to acknowledge that I'm elected here

[0:00:50] Trustee Luckham: on Thetis Island, and that's in the Lacs

[0:00:51] Trustee Luckham: and the Penelope Territory,

[0:00:53] Trustee Luckham: and all part of the Coast Salish Territory

[0:00:56] Trustee Luckham: up and down the coast.

[0:00:57] Trustee Luckham: And, of course, up there on Liskiti,

[0:00:59] Trustee Luckham: You're in Tlayamen and other nations' territories there, and I'll let the local trustees make

[0:01:07] Trustee Luckham: their own territorial recognition, if they wish.

[0:01:11] Trustee Luckham: And every morning, every day, it's so wonderful to be able to live in this magnificent place

[0:01:18] Trustee Luckham: and know that First Nations people of this area have been here for thousands of years

[0:01:25] Trustee Luckham: and it's an amazing place to be.

[0:01:28] Trustee Luckham: And then of course today is June 21st which is National Aboriginal Day and I absolutely want

[0:01:34] Trustee Luckham: to recognize that terrific opportunity for us to reflect on the nations and the people and the

[0:01:39] Trustee Luckham: culture and the history of this place. And of course it's a somber note to also reflect on

[0:01:46] Trustee Luckham: on the 215 children recently found to Kamloops,

[0:01:53] Trustee Luckham: Sukwapem territory up in Kamloops.

[0:01:58] Trustee Luckham: And we're looking at,

[0:02:00] Trustee Luckham: there's a active initiative to seek a day of mourning

[0:02:04] Trustee Luckham: to help us to come to understand and reconcile the truth.

[0:02:09] Trustee Luckham: I think this is a very hard, difficult truth,

[0:02:13] Trustee Luckham: truth, but it is the truth, nonetheless. And my heart is heavy and my thoughts go out to all of

[0:02:21] Trustee Luckham: the nations and the communities and the families and the survivors and the victims of the lost

[0:02:27] Trustee Luckham: loved ones. So with that, I'll just turn to Trustee Peter Johnson, the Skeedy Island. Good

[0:02:35] Trustee Luckham: morning, sir. Do you have any opening remarks?

[0:02:38] Voice 7: Good morning. No, well, no, I don't. Thanks.

[0:02:45] Trustee Luckham: Okay. Thank you, Peter. And Tim Peterson, over to you.

[0:02:51] Voice 6: Thank you, Chair. Yes, I would like to acknowledge that I'm privileged to work and

[0:02:58] Voice 6: live in the territories of many Coast Salish peoples and the treaty territory of the Tli'aman

[0:03:05] Voice 6: Nation.

[0:03:07] Trustee Luckham: Excellent. Thank you.

[0:03:09] Trustee Luckham: And so the three of us make up the elected body of the Luskeedee Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:03:14] Trustee Luckham: It's a real honor and privilege for me to be your chair.

[0:03:16] Trustee Luckham: I really love working in your community.

[0:03:20] Trustee Luckham: Admire, admire a great deal,

[0:03:22] Trustee Luckham: your community and your community members.

[0:03:26] Trustee Luckham: So also joining us today is Director Andrew Fall

[0:03:29] Trustee Luckham: of the Cathart Regional District Electoral Area E.

[0:03:33] Trustee Luckham: Welcome, Andrew.

[0:03:34] Trustee Luckham: Have any opening remark?

[0:03:37] Voice 2: Thank you, Chair Luckum.

[0:03:39] Voice 2: I just to say also,

[0:03:41] Voice 2: I appreciate being able to live and work

[0:03:43] Voice 2: on the Coast Salish territories that we all benefit from this beautiful region

[0:03:49] Voice 2: and you all said it very nicely thank you.

[0:03:52] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much Director Paul

[0:03:55] Trustee Luckham: really glad that you join us for these meetings. So as indicated earlier these

[0:04:01] Trustee Luckham: meetings are electronic and being recorded and live-streamed for those who

[0:04:05] Trustee Luckham: can't attend today the streaming will be recorded and available as a video on

[0:04:10] Trustee Luckham: demand on the honest trust website later on um when we get to the town hall portion of the meeting

[0:04:17] Trustee Luckham: and you wish to speak you can raise your digital hand and that's star nine and uh star six are the

[0:04:24] Trustee Luckham: keys if you're coming in by phone um otherwise if you move your cursor down to the bottom of

[0:04:29] Trustee Luckham: your screen there will will be a raised hand uh icon there um if you're com if you're watching

[0:04:36] Trustee Luckham: on the streaming and you want to speak at the town hall you will have to switch over to the

[0:04:42] Trustee Luckham: to the zoom meeting to be able to do that unless you're coming in by phone

[0:04:49] Trustee Luckham: and so if you're on the live stream portion just go back to the website and go to the participants

[0:04:56] Trustee Luckham: link and it will allow you to get in and when we get to the town hall we'll give you an opportunity

[0:05:01] Trustee Luckham: to speak. So really appreciate anybody that wishes to join us today and speak in the town hall

[0:05:07] Trustee Luckham: portion. And sometimes there are some technology challenges and just appreciate any patience that

[0:05:16] Trustee Luckham: you can offer us to allow us to resolve those. If you as a participant are having trouble

[0:05:22] Trustee Luckham: with your audio or video, you can certainly turn your video off if it improves the quality of

[0:05:26] Trustee Luckham: connection um if your audio drops out then we may move on to another speaker or another topic and

[0:05:34] Trustee Luckham: when you get your um audio resolved we will come back to you we definitely want to make the effort

[0:05:41] Trustee Luckham: to hear from you and we understand that it's uh challenging so we have a number of staff with us

[0:05:47] Trustee Luckham: today um and i'll start out with the regional planning manager heather uh crowder thank you

[0:05:52] Trustee Luckham: for joining us today heather and uh we have dave olson of course our minute faker thank you dave

[0:05:58] Trustee Luckham: for the work you do for us and then of course we wouldn't be able to do any of this without

[0:06:02] Trustee Luckham: will coddingham's support and assistance here and really appreciate all the work that you

[0:06:09] Trustee Luckham: additional work that you have taken on in your role at the allen's trust to facilitate

[0:06:14] Trustee Luckham: these electronic really appreciate that and i know that the pile of work that you're not able

[0:06:19] Trustee Luckham: able to get to because you're doing this is getting bigger so thank you very much all right

[0:06:25] Trustee Luckham: so this is an official forum for the local trust committee to make decisions on land use planning

[0:06:32] Trustee Luckham: matters we're no doubt going to have a full conversation today on the OCP amendments and

[0:06:39] Trustee Luckham: looking forward to that and ask everybody all of us elected and members of the public to be

[0:06:45] Trustee Luckham: respectful of each other your neighbors that are watching and of course of the staff that

[0:06:50] Trustee Luckham: that are doing the work for us as directed so without further ado I'm going to get to the

[0:06:58] Trustee Luckham: agenda and so we have an agenda before us and it's looking fairly complete I will ask if there's any

[0:07:06] Trustee Luckham: other items to add or remove from the agenda and trustees do you have anything else that you'd like

[0:07:14] Trustee Luckham: like to add to our agenda for today and she just raised no perfect okay awesome like that and staff

[0:07:21] Trustee Luckham: i'm assuming uh heather that we're um up to date on the agenda that i have in front of me perfect

[0:07:27] Trustee Luckham: then so then i'm going to take it then by general consent that um that uh the meeting uh agenda be

[0:07:36] Trustee Luckham: adopted as presented and so thank you for that and um we have a rise in report from the closed

[0:07:42] Trustee Luckham: meeting of April 26th now I gotta say quite honestly unless I have that in the agenda package

[0:07:50] Trustee Luckham: I don't have that in front of me yeah I don't see it here in the minutes I don't believe there

[0:08:01] Trustee Luckham: was anything to report because I think we just received legal opinion and we adopted the minutes

[0:08:05] Trustee Luckham: of the previous meeting so I think that's sufficient and I'm seeing a nod from Heather so

[0:08:10] Trustee Luckham: So thank you very much for that, Heather.

[0:08:12] Trustee Luckham: So let's go to trustee reports,

[0:08:15] Trustee Luckham: find out what's happening on the SCETI for the trustees

[0:08:19] Trustee Luckham: and who would like to start today?

[0:08:21] Trustee Luckham: Just jump right in.

[0:08:27] Voice 6: I'll start then.

[0:08:30] Voice 6: So of course we haven't had a local trust committee meeting

[0:08:34] Voice 6: for some time now.

[0:08:36] Voice 6: So there's nothing new to report on the business

[0:08:40] Voice 6: of the local trust committee per se,

[0:08:42] Voice 6: say but I would mention that June's been a busy month for meetings with Trust Council

[0:08:49] Voice 6: and I'm a member of both the Trust Programs Committee which has been working on the updating

[0:08:54] Voice 6: the policy statement review process and the Regional Planning Committee both of which

[0:08:59] Voice 6: also met this month. Trust Programs Committee of course meeting to prepare for the July

[0:09:07] Voice 6: July 8th Special Meeting of Trust Council

[0:09:10] Voice 6: to consider first reading of the policy statement.

[0:09:12] Voice 6: So there's been a lot of meetings going on

[0:09:15] Voice 6: in preparation for that to refine the draft

[0:09:21] Voice 6: that's coming before Trust Council at that time.

[0:09:24] Voice 6: And that's about all I have to report.

[0:09:30] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you, Trustee Peterson.

[0:09:33] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Johnson, over to you.

[0:09:35] Voice 7: Thank you. The two big items, the Snonautas have prepared a management plan, the first draft of it

[0:09:43] Voice 7: for their forest woodland, First Nations woodland license, including the two parcels on the south

[0:09:50] Voice 7: end of Liskety. The management plan is for the next 10 years, although I'm sure it can be modified

[0:09:57] Voice 7: and it's a draft, includes no logging on Liskiti in that period.

[0:10:04] Voice 7: Now, they'll come up with an operations plan that will confirm that or not.

[0:10:10] Voice 7: I haven't had any contact.

[0:10:11] Voice 7: I don't know why they've decided that, but that's what they have decided,

[0:10:17] Voice 7: and it'll be out for 90 days, I think,

[0:10:21] Voice 7: or maybe it's 60 days for consultation or public input.

[0:10:27] Voice 7: Although I was told by Rhonda Morris, the district manager, that was not necessary.

[0:10:31] Voice 7: She was doing it anyway because there'd been a lot of interest expressed in the program.

[0:10:36] Voice 7: So hopefully we'll get straight on that and people will feel comfortable.

[0:10:43] Voice 7: This is a little off topic, but on topic.

[0:10:47] Voice 7: I read again the Official Community Plan in this and I read the part on the Crown lands, which I had not read for some time.

[0:10:57] Voice 7: And it really comes from the 90s when we had this big task force and report.

[0:11:03] Voice 7: And it doesn't even envisage the possibility that First Nations peoples will have claims on Crown land.

[0:11:09] Voice 7: It's very much about Crown land is for, you know,

[0:11:14] Voice 7: as a reason of land and use and enjoyment and occasionally,

[0:11:19] Voice 7: if necessary, crossing the Crown land

[0:11:21] Voice 7: to get to private parks.

[0:11:23] Voice 7: So I think we'll need to adjust that pretty substantially

[0:11:27] Voice 7: and it'll be an interesting community conversation.

[0:11:31] Voice 7: The other issue that is not directly a trust committee issue

[0:11:37] Voice 7: is the safe Island proposal.

[0:11:38] Voice 7: There was a meeting on Saturday that the proponents Michael and Ellie Rouge hosted at their house for people interested from the city in the in the in their safe island proposal, and only a handful of people attended.

[0:11:55] Voice 7: intended. I heard some reports. Sue Taylor, the widow of Randy, who bought and owned and

[0:12:06] Voice 7: developed the property and sold it, has publicly asked them not to use his name. They are not

[0:12:12] Voice 7: carrying out his plan, but that will unfold as it does.

[0:12:18] Voice 7: And I think that's, oh, the Leskete, or the Zayate Leskete Archaeology Project is running along, idling, really waiting until it's time when people can come here safely to do some archaeology and meet with community members and be here.

[0:12:38] Voice 7: And that's it.

[0:12:41] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you very much, Trustee Johnson.

[0:12:47] Trustee Luckham: And so from my own quarter, trustee chair report, certainly miss being in your community and traveling on your ferry and meeting your community members and walking up the hill and all of that.

[0:13:04] Trustee Luckham: and certainly look forward to coming back

[0:13:07] Trustee Luckham: into your community.

[0:13:09] Trustee Luckham: From the chair's perspective,

[0:13:11] Trustee Luckham: there's certainly lots of activity going on

[0:13:14] Trustee Luckham: at the Islands Trust, as Tim has indicated.

[0:13:18] Trustee Luckham: We of course had a June Trust Council meeting,

[0:13:22] Trustee Luckham: advanced some of our policy statement discussion.

[0:13:26] Trustee Luckham: That policy statement work is advancing.

[0:13:29] Trustee Luckham: There is a proposed draft for reading,

[0:13:33] Trustee Luckham: opportunity coming up in July for a special meeting to discuss that one topic and I just

[0:13:40] Trustee Luckham: want to reflect for a minute on the idea of first reading it's often misunderstood and

[0:13:45] Trustee Luckham: and indeed as we move through the OCP here first and second and third reading

[0:13:51] Trustee Luckham: each one of those opportunities is an opportunity to modify a document of bylaw

[0:13:57] Trustee Luckham: and a policy statement is no different than any other document that we have at the Honours Trust

[0:14:01] Trustee Luckham: and first reading is the opportunity to say well we're serious about changing this and this is what

[0:14:07] Trustee Luckham: we thought of and then we enter into a public discussion that is on the record it's not no

[0:14:14] Trustee Luckham: longer discussion now it's just conversation and there's lots of opportunities feedback of

[0:14:19] Trustee Luckham: at first reading of an official community plan in a community or a policy statement for the

[0:14:25] Trustee Luckham: owners trust and so we're certainly going into that there's been lots of conversation about

[0:14:29] Trustee Luckham: environment versus people, or people versus environment, depending on how you

[0:14:35] Trustee Luckham: want to look at it, land preservation, community docks, all of these kinds of

[0:14:41] Trustee Luckham: things. And of course historically we've entered into an era of recognizing First

[0:14:49] Trustee Luckham: Nations, the historic occupation, it's probably the wrong word, the home of the

[0:14:59] Trustee Luckham: the First Nations people here and how little we have done

[0:15:02] Trustee Luckham: to recognize that historically.

[0:15:04] Trustee Luckham: And we are wanting to amend that

[0:15:07] Trustee Luckham: to reflect the history of this place.

[0:15:11] Trustee Luckham: And indeed, as Peter Johnson mentioned in his report,

[0:15:15] Trustee Luckham: often crown lands are not the traditional access

[0:15:22] Trustee Luckham: and territory of the First Nations people.

[0:15:25] Trustee Luckham: It's not recognized when we talk about crown land,

[0:15:28] Trustee Luckham: and land that belongs to the queen in theory.

[0:15:31] Trustee Luckham: And of course we know that that's simply not true.

[0:15:36] Trustee Luckham: So we are gearing up for another trust council meeting

[0:15:40] Trustee Luckham: to talk about the policy statement.

[0:15:41] Trustee Luckham: I've been involved in some oil spill exercises,

[0:15:44] Trustee Luckham: hopefully hoping that we're well prepared for that.

[0:15:47] Trustee Luckham: There's some other work to do with oil tankers

[0:15:50] Trustee Luckham: and vessel anchorages, freighter anchorages in the Salish Sea

[0:15:54] Trustee Luckham: that continue to be important topics of discussion.

[0:15:59] Trustee Luckham: And we endeavor at every moment

[0:16:02] Trustee Luckham: to try and collaborate and communicate

[0:16:05] Trustee Luckham: with First Nations communities

[0:16:07] Trustee Luckham: as well as our own communities

[0:16:09] Trustee Luckham: and look forward to more of the same.

[0:16:13] Trustee Luckham: So that's it from the chair.

[0:16:15] Trustee Luckham: It's a real pleasure to be here.

[0:16:17] Trustee Luckham: So I'll turn it now over to Electoral Area Director

[0:16:19] Trustee Luckham: for his report at that regional district.

[0:16:22] Voice 2: Thank you, Chair.

[0:16:23] Voice 2: I have one item I'd like to report on. On May the 12th, I attended what we call a C3 meeting between the Talatman First Nation, City of Powell River, and the Cathet Regional District.

[0:16:36] Voice 2: One topic was place names. What is presently called the Powell River Townsite, the Talatman called P-Squep, which means Big River.

[0:16:46] Voice 2: The name Powell River is after Israel Powell, who was the superintendent of Indian affairs from 1871 to 1889.

[0:16:55] Voice 2: We were told at the C3 meeting that Israel Powell was responsible for much harm to First Nations.

[0:17:02] Voice 2: To better educate myself about the role of Israel Powell, I read portions of his first report from 1873, which is available online.

[0:17:10] Voice 2: line. The explicit racism and derogatory nature of some passages is hard to stomach, and I would

[0:17:17] Voice 2: not even quote the most offensive passages. Nonetheless, I find it important to be confronted

[0:17:22] Voice 2: with such history. Among many damaging colonial acts, Powell played a primary role in establishing

[0:17:28] Voice 2: residential schools. In his first report, he stated, I quote, very little progress has been

[0:17:34] Voice 2: been made as yet in educating the Indians of this province. I believe the different missions of

[0:17:40] Voice 2: British Columbia would be glad, if sufficiently aided, to establish industrial schools under

[0:17:45] Voice 2: proper government inspection as being the most successful mode of obtaining the future welfare

[0:17:51] Voice 2: and happiness of the Indian. No doubt a number of such schools in different parts of the province

[0:17:56] Voice 2: would be of incalculable benefit in making the rising generation of the Native race good citizens

[0:18:03] Voice 2: and useful members of society that's not even one of the worst ones that's actually readable

[0:18:07] Voice 2: there is no need to repeat the extreme harm done to first nations from the residential school system

[0:18:14] Voice 2: at the c3 meeting i empathized with the talatman representatives that said that every time they

[0:18:21] Voice 2: say the name powell river it's a reminder of this painful history considering name changes can and

[0:18:28] Voice 2: and should be a deliberative process and can take time.

[0:18:31] Voice 2: It also provides an opportunity for settlers

[0:18:34] Voice 2: to become more aware and honest about our colonial history,

[0:18:37] Voice 2: which is an essential part of reconciliation.

[0:18:40] Voice 2: Thank you.

[0:18:45] Trustee Luckham: You know, that requires, Andrew, thank you,

[0:18:48] Trustee Luckham: requires almost a moment of pause to reflect upon that.

[0:18:53] Trustee Luckham: And I really appreciate you speaking to this today.

[0:18:58] Trustee Luckham: Very, very much.

[0:18:59] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, sir.

[0:19:00] Trustee Luckham: If there's nothing further in the elected reports, this is an opportunity to go to town hall, and so if anybody has anything that they'd like to address specifically on our agenda today to assist us in making our decisions as we move through the rest of the agenda, we appreciate that, and this is your opportunity.

[0:19:26] Trustee Luckham: I'm just going to go to the some reason my screen has just changed up here for some reason that's

[0:19:32] Trustee Luckham: weird I'm just going to go to my participants list and I see attendees looks like we've got

[0:19:38] Trustee Luckham: one person attending today and so I'm just going to ask if that person wishes to address the local

[0:19:47] Trustee Luckham: trust committee and if anybody is on the live stream portion of this and expecting to be able

[0:19:53] Trustee Luckham: to address us today you will need to go back to the website and find the zoom link to join us as

[0:20:01] Trustee Luckham: a participant and certainly we'll give you that opportunity to do that um and well i'm anticipating

[0:20:08] Trustee Luckham: that if somebody had joined us by telephone um i would see a telephone number up here is that

[0:20:14] Trustee Luckham: correct that's

[0:20:15] Voice 4: correct all

[0:20:17] Trustee Luckham: right and you have not advanced anybody to participant at this point i

[0:20:20] Trustee Luckham: don't see anybody no

[0:20:21] Voice 4: no and if and if people are as you say if people are on the live stream

[0:20:25] Voice 4: they should go back to the uh the same web page where they got the um you know watch button and

[0:20:33] Voice 4: instead of using the watch watch button use the attend button instead and that'll allow you to

[0:20:39] Voice 4: participate yeah

[0:20:41] Trustee Luckham: so just hit back in your browser and get over there and we'll just provide a moment

[0:20:46] Trustee Luckham: for anybody that wants to do that otherwise I don't see a hand raised

[0:20:52] Trustee Luckham: there digital hand at the bottom of your screen otherwise we'll continue on so if

[0:20:58] Trustee Luckham: that's all right with trustees I'll just give a moment oh I see a digital hand

[0:21:04] Trustee Luckham: popped up Kathy bond so let's promote Kathy bond to speaker and good morning

[0:21:10] Trustee Luckham: and Kathy thank you for joining us

[0:21:11] Voice 3: good morning um I just want to again reverberate um that the

[0:21:19] Voice 3: town hall at this section of the meeting I feel is totally useless because I'd like to talk about

[0:21:25] Voice 3: what we're gonna you know have some say in stuff after portion of this meeting is concluded that's

[0:21:32] Voice 3: all I have to say for now um because I want to know what people's views are and what has come in

[0:21:39] Voice 3: So at this point, I have nothing else to say.

[0:21:45] Trustee Luckham: Sure, Kathy, completely. I understand your response there.

[0:21:51] Trustee Luckham: However, I would ask you that if you have anything that you would like to tell us to influence our decision making, that's why we have it at the beginning.

[0:22:03] Trustee Luckham: So if there's something we haven't heard from the public that has arrived in writing that we could be further influenced and the public can also hear what any member of the public has to say.

[0:22:18] Trustee Luckham: So, Kathy, go ahead.

[0:22:22] Voice 3: I feel like I have the whole forum here with nobody else on.

[0:22:26] Voice 3: on um one thing i would like to say is um that keith is for the kgl and for the gas thing is

[0:22:34] Voice 3: just looking to be treated the same way that uh christos is treated uh from the islands trust

[0:22:41] Voice 3: right now we're getting asked to um put in you know get engineering studies to do the water to

[0:22:48] Voice 3: do the sewer um you know to put out you know what is it the fee is 770 dollars for just a

[0:22:57] Voice 3: temporary use permit and at the same time um you know it's not being asked of well it is being

[0:23:07] Voice 3: asked of Christos but then there's objection to the community when the community is not fully

[0:23:12] Voice 3: aware. They're just saying the community is being told that Christos is being picked on

[0:23:17] Voice 3: on it at the same time. So I just want it to be known that what we're looking for is to be done

[0:23:26] Voice 3: the same. And our response from the Islands Trust is that you couldn't possibly be a home-based

[0:23:33] Voice 3: business is completely false. We have looked at every area to comply to the home-based business

[0:23:38] Voice 3: and we could comply to the home-based business quite easily we in fact we have devised the plan

[0:23:45] Voice 3: to go to a home-based business what we asked of the islands trust again and again and we have not

[0:23:51] Voice 3: gotten a straight answer is the gas and fuel are you going to allow it on a home-based business

[0:23:58] Voice 3: because we will save our money and put it towards our home-based business if that is the case if it

[0:24:04] Voice 3: It is not the case and that is what we want a decision on.

[0:24:07] Voice 3: If it is allowed as a home-based business, that is fine.

[0:24:11] Voice 3: I will drop all the complaints and all the fighting

[0:24:14] Voice 3: and everything else.

[0:24:16] Voice 3: But if it is not, then I want a clear, precise decision.

[0:24:20] Voice 3: That's all I'm asking for the Islands Trust.

[0:24:25] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you, Cathy.

[0:24:26] Trustee Luckham: And I can't necessarily tell you of an outcome,

[0:24:33] Trustee Luckham: come but certainly we are working towards resolving that issue and hopefully that will

[0:24:40] Trustee Luckham: come out in a way and I would definitely recommend you continue working with us

[0:24:45] Trustee Luckham: to find a resolution to your issues as well so thank you for joining us today

[0:24:52] Trustee Luckham: and I don't see any other speakers so I'm going to move along on the

[0:24:58] Voice 4: agenda sorry chair Luckham I

[0:25:00] Voice 4: I just wanted to let you know, I have heard of someone who is trying to call in.

[0:25:04] Voice 4: They don't seem to have been successful yet, but Becky here is going to try and reach out to him to see if she can give him better instruction for how to phone in.

[0:25:17] Voice 4: I just wanted to make you aware.

[0:25:19] Voice 4: Well,

[0:25:20] Trustee Luckham: if that's all right with the trustees, let's see how that unfolds.

[0:25:23] Trustee Luckham: and if that person comes online if you could bring that to my attention and it's all right

[0:25:28] Trustee Luckham: with trustees we'll give that person an opportunity to speak is that okay yeah okay we'll do all right

[0:25:35] Trustee Luckham: thank you so then our next item then is a local trust committee minutes dated April 26th they're

[0:25:43] Trustee Luckham: here for adoption and I'll just ask if there's any changes to those minutes I'm surprised we

[0:25:52] Trustee Luckham: We didn't, I'm having a bit of a moment here.

[0:25:54] Trustee Luckham: I'm surprised we haven't actually adopted those by RWM,

[0:25:57] Trustee Luckham: but maybe there was too much conversation.

[0:25:59] Trustee Luckham: So are there any proposed changes

[0:26:03] Trustee Luckham: to the minutes of April the 26th, trustees?

[0:26:06] Voice 7: I have quite a few, yes, and I apologize.

[0:26:10] Voice 7: We decided at the last meeting that, well, I asked

[0:26:14] Voice 7: and I was told that adopting the minutes by RWM

[0:26:19] Voice 7: was a one-time thing for the February meeting and that we would just do it at the next meeting

[0:26:27] Voice 7: as a matter of course. We can revisit that.

[0:26:34] Trustee Luckham: Certainly. Heather, I don't want to contradict

[0:26:37] Trustee Luckham: you in any way, shape, or form, but I think that if there are only non-substantive

[0:26:49] Trustee Luckham: changes to the minutes and that the minutes are considered to be mostly correct, they can be

[0:26:57] Trustee Luckham: adopted by RWM. It's when we get into substantive changes that there may be a difference of opinion

[0:27:03] Trustee Luckham: amongst trustees and therefore requires the discussion that we can't adopt them by resolution

[0:27:10] Trustee Luckham: without meeting. Is that a correct interpretation, Heather? Okay. So the opportunity does exist.

[0:27:16] Trustee Luckham: if um we're content with the minutes um and i guess you know one of the interesting things

[0:27:23] Trustee Luckham: about minutes right is and i bear the responsibility for it is to be sure that whatever's recorded in

[0:27:30] Trustee Luckham: the minutes is recorded in a way that is accurate um although obviously i don't see them as dave is

[0:27:36] Trustee Luckham: recording them so i can't necessarily verbatim do it but um that's one of the reasons why minutes

[0:27:42] Trustee Luckham: Minutes need to actually only record decisions and not commentary and not discussion.

[0:27:47] Trustee Luckham: And so we can all obviously take some responsibility for that work to do that.

[0:27:55] Trustee Luckham: Anyway, so if we want to adopt minutes in general by RWM so they can be out in the public domain sooner,

[0:28:04] Trustee Luckham: sooner, then we need to figure out how to provide remarks in the reports. And that is accurate. So

[0:28:15] Trustee Luckham: anyway, Trustee Johnson, let's go to you without me dragging this out too much.

[0:28:22] Trustee Luckham: In the

[0:28:24] Voice 7: minutes of section 3.1, the my trustee report, it says that I said it was an informal

[0:28:32] Voice 7: Formal sharing of property, the safe island proposal, and I have no idea, had no idea at that time how it was going.

[0:28:39] Voice 7: It's a sharing of property.

[0:28:40] Voice 7: I have no idea if it's informal or not.

[0:28:44] Voice 7: Okay,

[0:28:45] Trustee Luckham: so you want to strike the word informal?

[0:28:47] Voice 7: Please.

[0:28:48] Voice 7: All

[0:28:48] Trustee Luckham: right, thank you.

[0:28:52] Voice 7: Okay, the next report, I just want to make clear that Cindy Stern is a non-Indigenous employee of the Stanoffs.

[0:29:04] Voice 7: of First Nation.

[0:29:06] Voice 7: I don't know

[0:29:08] Trustee Luckham: if that's

[0:29:18] Voice 7: important, but it might be important.

[0:29:23] Voice 7: One might read these and assume that she turns out.

[0:29:27] Voice 7: I

[0:29:29] Trustee Luckham: don't know.

[0:29:30] Trustee Luckham: I'll take some advice from staff on this.

[0:29:32] Trustee Luckham: I would not say that because we actually don't know anything about Cindy Stern.

[0:29:37] Trustee Luckham: Well,

[0:29:37] Voice 7: actually, I do. And I can report that she is a non-Indigenous employee. She is not a member of the nation. She told me that.

[0:29:48] Voice 9: Just from staff's perspective, we record what was said. So if this discussion wasn't had at the meeting, it wouldn't have been captured in the minutes, and we typically wouldn't.

[0:30:00] Voice 9: amend information it's just a recording of what's said okay

[0:30:06] Voice 7: but all right i

[0:30:08] Trustee Luckham: honestly wouldn't do

[0:30:09] Trustee Luckham: that um we don't identify anybody from their cultural heritage in meetings okay i

[0:30:15] Trustee Luckham: don't know

[0:30:16] Trustee Luckham: that we she is obviously as a ceo she's an employee of the sun on us development company

[0:30:22] Trustee Luckham: and i think that that is more than sufficient okay

[0:30:26] Voice 7: the the final point on the next page

[0:30:29] Voice 7: I was incorrect. What I said is, what is recorded, I did say there is to be, there's no

[0:30:38] Voice 7: exclosure that includes only sheep but not deer. So that's not very clear. I reported that there

[0:30:48] Voice 7: were to be three types of exclosures, one that excluded both of them, one excluded sheep,

[0:30:54] Voice 7: one that excluded deer. There's only one that will exclude sheep. There's none that will

[0:31:00] Voice 7: we'll exclude only deer.

[0:31:03] Trustee Luckham: All right, so, all right.

[0:31:08] Trustee Luckham: So then, somebody's got some feedback going on here.

[0:31:13] Trustee Luckham: I'm not sure if that's me or somebody else.

[0:31:16] Trustee Luckham: So that's complicated because indeed,

[0:31:18] Trustee Luckham: if that was what was said.

[0:31:19] Trustee Luckham: So I would be happy if everything

[0:31:22] Trustee Luckham: from the first comma was deleted.

[0:31:24] Trustee Luckham: So it said to exclude sheep only,

[0:31:28] Trustee Luckham: and then let the new minutes record

[0:31:30] Trustee Luckham: record that that was an error an error uh quote that wasn't true and that that's been corrected

[0:31:37] Trustee Luckham: actually

[0:31:37] Voice 7: the minutes for this meeting can correct that that

[0:31:43] Trustee Luckham: and that's what i just said so you want

[0:31:44] Trustee Luckham: to correct these minutes by deleting that because i think that that's reasonable because it's

[0:31:49] Trustee Luckham: erroneous information but that these minutes will note that um that that was corrected because of an

[0:31:57] Trustee Luckham: error or misquoted or error um and are you okay with following us on all that dave so far

[0:32:05] Trustee Luckham: i'm gonna assume it's a yes yes

[0:32:15] Voice 2: it is a yes i just pushed the wrong button so okay

[0:32:17] Trustee Luckham: perfect

[0:32:18] Trustee Luckham: so um uh tim and i saw your hand go up on that particular thing are you satisfied with the

[0:32:25] Trustee Luckham: outcome there i

[0:32:29] Voice 6: know that's that's fine and uh and if trustee johnson's done i have one minor

[0:32:35] Voice 6: correction for the minutes.

[0:32:36] Trustee Luckham: Okay so we'll let Trustee Johnson continue and then we'll come to

[0:32:40] Trustee Luckham: you. Go ahead. Okay I

[0:32:42] Voice 7: guess you know this is recorded in the minutes as a motion and it I

[0:32:47] Voice 7: think it passed.

[0:32:50] Trustee Luckham: What section are you on?

[0:32:53] Voice 7: It's the motion is oh dear LA-202-1010.

[0:33:00] Voice 7: oh uh

[0:33:02] Trustee Luckham: so that's um page

[0:33:05] Voice 7: number

[0:33:08] Trustee Luckham: or anything else with help

[0:33:09] Voice 7: sorry it's it's uh 013 and it's on page

[0:33:15] Voice 7: eight

[0:33:16] Trustee Luckham: thank you um 013 and

[0:33:23] Voice 7: what what it does it it's it's about the agricultural land commission

[0:33:26] Voice 7: and this is also in the ocp and i i just i really would like to talk about that because i

[0:33:33] Voice 7: I, you know, we can talk about that at the, at the, our discussion on the official community

[0:33:39] Voice 7: plan revision.

[0:33:41] Trustee Luckham: Sure.

[0:33:41] Trustee Luckham: So is there an error in the minutes with respect to this motion?

[0:33:46] Voice 7: No, there is not.

[0:33:47] Voice 7: And I'm sorry that it's just an issue I wanted to talk about.

[0:33:50] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[0:33:50] Trustee Luckham: Well, that's fine.

[0:33:51] Trustee Luckham: We can raise that as in the OCP discussion when we get there.

[0:33:56] Voice 7: Yeah.

[0:33:56] Voice 7: Yeah. Okay. And section 8.3 on page nine, this is of

[0:34:02] Voice 7: the minutes. The following information

[0:34:06] Voice 7: was contained. This is one, two, three, four, fifth paragraph down. The following information

[0:34:12] Voice 7: was contained in an email written by Trustee Johnston. And the next few paragraphs were

[0:34:19] Voice 7: actually written by Director Full and included in my email that I sent. It implies that I wrote them.

[0:34:32] Trustee Luckham: I see.

[0:34:35] Voice 7: I'm not sure that's critically important. I mean, I'm happy just having said this,

[0:34:39] Voice 7: it's in the recording, if it's just recorded in these minutes, that correction.

[0:34:45] Trustee Luckham: So would it be fair then to say, Peter, that to amend that paragraph, the following information

[0:34:52] Trustee Luckham: from Trustee, from Director Fall was contained in an email?

[0:34:56] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, that

[0:34:57] Voice 8: would do it.

[0:34:59] Trustee Luckham: And I don't think that changes the, it just is for clarity.

[0:35:03] Trustee Luckham: So Dave, did you get that?

[0:35:05] Trustee Luckham: The following information from Director Fall was contained.

[0:35:10] Trustee Luckham: We'll just amend that line.

[0:35:11] Trustee Luckham: Perfect.

[0:35:12] Trustee Luckham: Anything else?

[0:35:15] Voice 7: Through the rest of the minutes,

[0:35:17] Voice 7: it would alternate sometimes saying,

[0:35:19] Voice 7: naming the trustee that said something

[0:35:21] Voice 7: and sometimes just saying a trustee and and i that still bothers me i don't know why sometimes

[0:35:28] Voice 7: the trustee is named and sometimes it's not it's always clear when it's the chair because it says

[0:35:34] Voice 7: the chair and i i i find

[0:35:38] Trustee Luckham: who is also a trustee but that's right

[0:35:41] Trustee Luckham: but

[0:35:42] Voice 7: it identifies that it's it's

[0:35:44] Voice 7: the chair trustee as opposed to one of the other locally elected trustees and i just want to say

[0:35:50] Voice 7: that that still bothers me. And

[0:35:53] Trustee Luckham: so you would rather that yourself be identified as the trustee

[0:35:57] Trustee Luckham: that said something?

[0:35:59] Voice 7: Or never identified. It doesn't, you know, I would prefer it if it was

[0:36:05] Voice 7: identified. Yeah. If I said something, I don't think Tim should be asked about it and vice versa.

[0:36:11] Trustee Luckham: Right.

[0:36:13] Voice 7: Apparently it's policy to say a trustee, but it's not consistently followed.

[0:36:20] Trustee Luckham: Yeah. So I'll just turn to Heather and ask, so is there policy around a trustee or a named

[0:36:31] Trustee Luckham: trustee? Often I think that a trustee has to make, I would like recorded in the minutes that I said

[0:36:38] Trustee Luckham: X, Y, Z, and then it gets identified, but over to you.

[0:36:43] Voice 9: I am not aware of a policy, a particular

[0:36:45] Voice 9: policy. But I, I take the point that it makes sense that it's consistent. And so we can work

[0:36:53] Voice 9: on that we can work on making that consistent.

[0:36:58] Trustee Luckham: All right so then I'll just ask trustees do you

[0:37:03] Trustee Luckham: want to be identified in some fashion one way or the other and I'll just ask Peter Johnson first

[0:37:08] Trustee Luckham: and then I'll go to Trustee Peterson.

[0:37:10] Voice 7: I think so I think it would be advantageous to do that.

[0:37:14] Trustee Luckham: And what is the answer you want to be identified as a trustee? Okay especially

[0:37:18] Voice 7: since it's clear

[0:37:20] Voice 7: it's one of the two of us we might as well be which clear which one right

[0:37:24] Trustee Luckham: and trustee peterson

[0:37:25] Trustee Luckham: do you concur with that uh

[0:37:28] Voice 6: i i'm i'm fine with it i have no problem with being identified um

[0:37:32] Voice 6: however i'm i don't have the document in front of us but i know that we have heard from carmen

[0:37:38] Voice 6: teal on this before this has come up and uh i thought that my memory was that unless we

[0:37:45] Voice 6: we specifically asked to be identified or we're specifically giving our

[0:37:49] Voice 6: individual reports that the policy was just to say a trustee in the

[0:37:55] Voice 6: minutes.

[0:37:56] Voice 6: And so I think it'd be good before we undertake to do anything

[0:38:02] Voice 6: different that we at least check back in with Carmen on that policy.

[0:38:05] Voice 6: Cause I know there is one, I just don't have it handy right now.

[0:38:09] Trustee Luckham: Yeah. It may be that it's guidelines maybe per se then that direction,

[0:38:15] Trustee Luckham: but that's that's fair so let's just do if David you're going to make note of which trustee said

[0:38:23] Trustee Luckham: it and then when that copy comes out it can be edited according to whatever policy may or may

[0:38:28] Trustee Luckham: not exist I think that one of the things that's a little confusing here with our minutes that

[0:38:33] Trustee Luckham: is important is that actually we don't identify members of the public because otherwise we get

[0:38:40] Trustee Luckham: into oh I didn't say that and that might be a problem and so we always say a member of the

[0:38:46] Trustee Luckham: public and so there is a difference there between members of the public and the elected party so

[0:38:52] Trustee Luckham: let's just keep that in mind and so with that I'll just ask Peter did you have any further

[0:38:58] Trustee Luckham: amendments to the minutes?

[0:39:01] Voice 7: I'm getting a lot of feedback I'm not sure why. You go ahead. Okay

[0:39:09] Voice 7: Okay. On page 12, there's a lot of stuff. It starts on page 11, says trustees noted, I think, or something like that.

[0:39:19] Voice 7: There's a lot in there about we don't know what they're going to do.

[0:39:23] Voice 7: This is on the First Nations woodland license.

[0:39:28] Voice 7: And I would like it to be clearer that the license under which they're operating is a license for logging.

[0:39:36] Voice 7: logging. It's not a license to have a piece of land to do what they want with. And as

[0:39:42] Voice 7: long as that's understood, it seems to downplay it a bit here in that section. Well, a lot.

[0:39:51] Voice 7: And I think that's it.

[0:39:57] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out here where in that, as you've raised that, whether it

[0:40:03] Trustee Luckham: actually says that it's a, I forget what the exact language is there, but it's a, it is

[0:40:12] Trustee Luckham: a tree cutting license well

[0:40:15] Voice 7: where it says in the license yeah

[0:40:19] Trustee Luckham: well

[0:40:19] Voice 7: it's it's the nature of it they

[0:40:22] Voice 7: have to uh select an annual allowable cut to shoot it was suggested they choose 5 000 cubic meters

[0:40:29] Voice 7: they can adjust that and say we'll do 6 000 or 4 000 and then they have an obligation to cut that

[0:40:35] Voice 7: that much, not each year, but on the license within, I think it's 10% over a five-year period.

[0:40:44] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, no, I didn't want to get that far into the weeds on that. No, I just wanted to see

[0:40:48] Trustee Luckham: in the dialogue here, recorded in minutes, whether we, and I found it now, at the introduction of it,

[0:40:57] Trustee Luckham: based upon an email from a member of the public, it does say First Nations woodlot license. So I

[0:41:05] Trustee Luckham: think we don't need to elaborate on that any further. That topic is about a First Nations

[0:41:11] Trustee Luckham: woodlot license, and you're absolutely right, it's a license to harvest timber. But by that name,

[0:41:19] Trustee Luckham: I think that that is clear. Certainly people can interpret it differently, but

[0:41:29] Trustee Luckham: but again, it's an interesting, it's a language dilemma,

[0:41:34] Trustee Luckham: but I think that probably it does say woodlot license.

[0:41:40] Trustee Luckham: So any recommended amendments there?

[0:41:44] Trustee Luckham: But I think that-

[0:41:45] Trustee Luckham: No,

[0:41:45] Voice 7: all those things were said.

[0:41:49] Voice 7: On page 14, section 13.1 LA-202-10020,

[0:41:57] Voice 7: that the Liskety Island Committee request staff

[0:41:59] Voice 7: have to bring the model cell tower strategy forward

[0:42:01] Voice 7: as a resolution without meeting.

[0:42:03] Voice 7: And I don't remember that.

[0:42:05] Voice 7: And I wrote to Heather and we haven't done that.

[0:42:08] Voice 7: So I don't know if we,

[0:42:11] Voice 7: I don't know.

[0:42:12] Trustee Luckham: We can talk about that in the follow up back to this.

[0:42:15] Voice 7: Yeah, and it's in our agenda for today's meeting too.

[0:42:20] Trustee Luckham: Oh, so there we go.

[0:42:22] Trustee Luckham: So that was a motion.

[0:42:24] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, but

[0:42:25] Voice 7: we haven't done it.

[0:42:27] Voice 7: so we still need to do something yeah okay that that that's all i have thank you okay thank you

[0:42:35] Trustee Luckham: so um there were a few changes there and i'll just turn to trustee peterson the changes so far

[0:42:40] Trustee Luckham: that trustee johnson has brought forward you were you were you were content with those

[0:42:44] Trustee Luckham: and i think dave has them all recorded yeah that that's fine okay trustee peterson then over to

[0:42:50] Trustee Luckham: to you for any amendments to the minutes.

[0:42:52] Trustee Luckham: A

[0:42:54] Voice 6: very, very minor amendment on page four

[0:42:58] Voice 6: of the agenda package under my trustee report,

[0:43:04] Voice 6: bullet number three, vice chair of the programs committee

[0:43:10] Voice 6: says they're working on their policy statement.

[0:43:12] Voice 6: It should be on the policy statement

[0:43:14] Voice 6: because it's trust council's policy statement

[0:43:18] Voice 6: not the committee's policy statement.

[0:43:20] Voice 6: okay

[0:43:21] Trustee Luckham: that's perfect there

[0:43:22] Voice 6: there should be changed to the okay

[0:43:25] Trustee Luckham: you got that dave

[0:43:27] Voice 6: that's it yes yes

[0:43:31] Trustee Luckham: thank you perfect then so then with those changes then um i will um ask um that the minutes be

[0:43:39] Trustee Luckham: adopted as amended by general consent yep and i saw hands up and nodding so that's terrific thank

[0:43:47] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much.

[0:43:48] Trustee Luckham: So now we have a report here of June the 24th,

[0:43:53] Trustee Luckham: the resolution without meeting report.

[0:43:55] Trustee Luckham: That's just there for our information.

[0:43:58] Trustee Luckham: I just need to get to the right page, page 17.

[0:44:02] Voice 4: Chair Luckom, I just wanted to let you know

[0:44:04] Voice 4: that our caller has joined

[0:44:06] Voice 4: in case you want to see if he wants to speak.

[0:44:09] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so let's just finish this

[0:44:11] Trustee Luckham: and then we'll go to that caller.

[0:44:15] Trustee Luckham: So resolution of that meeting, that's there for information.

[0:44:19] Trustee Luckham: And if we're okay with that, 2021-003, then I will go to the, we'll conclude this section and we'll go to the caller.

[0:44:30] Trustee Luckham: Is that okay?

[0:44:32] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[0:44:33] Trustee Luckham: All right.

[0:44:33] Trustee Luckham: so let us then just jump back to the town hall portion to allow this telephone caller to come in

[0:44:45] Trustee Luckham: and can you advise us who you are and then please address the local trust committee

[0:44:52] Trustee Luckham: and I'm assuming that you heard earlier just about our etiquette be kind and respectful of

[0:45:02] Trustee Luckham: of staff and trustees and speak to the topic,

[0:45:05] Trustee Luckham: the issue and not individuals.

[0:45:07] Trustee Luckham: So please, if you could introduce yourself

[0:45:10] Trustee Luckham: and the floor is yours.

[0:45:18] Trustee Luckham: Yes, we can hear you.

[0:45:20] Voice 1: Oh, okay.

[0:45:21] Voice 1: This is Tom Weiner.

[0:45:23] Voice 1: I have several areas of concern with the proposed OCC.

[0:45:28] Voice 1: The first is the interpretation of the letters received

[0:45:34] Voice 1: in the public engagement process

[0:45:36] Voice 1: where Heather gave Andrew Falls letter,

[0:45:38] Voice 1: the weight of 40 other letters. It was totally on her own initiative. Andrew Fall never claimed that

[0:45:46] Voice 1: and does not claim that, that his letter represented anything but himself, as all of

[0:45:51] Voice 1: the other letters that came in.

[0:45:53] Trustee Luckham: So, sir,

[0:45:54] Voice 1: Tom, I'm

[0:45:56] Trustee Luckham: just going to ask you just to state the issue

[0:45:59] Trustee Luckham: associated with prioritization.

[0:46:01] Voice 1: The issue associated with it is that the public engagement

[0:46:04] Voice 1: progress program was compromised by over-weighting Andrew Falls' letter and making it more

[0:46:12] Voice 1: significant than 40 other letters. That's my point. Thank you.

[0:46:16] Voice 1: You're welcome. Go ahead.

[0:46:19] Voice 1: The other issue I have is that the Cedar Island Nature Conservancy does not want to be included

[0:46:27] Voice 1: in this bylaw. The executive has made it clear. It's been made clear through at least two iterations

[0:46:34] Voice 1: operations and the planning staff has ignored that input. I would recommend that the local

[0:46:42] Voice 1: trust committee look into that. This whole process, in my opinion, has been compromised

[0:46:50] Voice 1: and it's now up to the local trust committee to solve. Thank you.

[0:47:01] Trustee Luckham: Okay. Thank you, Tom. And so trustees, you'll take note of what we've heard and you can raise

[0:47:09] Trustee Luckham: those topics if you wish. So thank you very much for joining us. And I'm going to go back to the

[0:47:17] Trustee Luckham: agenda where we left off, which is now business arising from the minutes. We don't have any

[0:47:23] Trustee Luckham: advisory planning commission minutes at the moment. And so the follow-up action list is here

[0:47:30] Trustee Luckham: on page 18 of our agenda and a number of items there and I'll ask the oh that's hang on

[0:47:50] Trustee Luckham: how come I'm not seeing a follow-up action list on my agenda package here

[0:47:54] Trustee Luckham: projects report following on page 18.

[0:48:01] Voice 9: I'm not sure either I'm looking at the package and

[0:48:04] Voice 9: Not seeing that list, sorry about that.

[0:48:06] Trustee Luckham: All right.

[0:48:07] Trustee Luckham: Is there a way to get that up on the screen?

[0:48:11] Trustee Luckham: I don't

[0:48:12] Voice 9: think it's part of the package.

[0:48:13] Voice 9: So we would, I need a few minutes to do that.

[0:48:16] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[0:48:19] Trustee Luckham: So out of, I guess, due diligence,

[0:48:22] Trustee Luckham: I think it would be good for us to reflect on that.

[0:48:27] Trustee Luckham: And so do you think that perhaps

[0:48:29] Trustee Luckham: Will could figure that part out

[0:48:31] Trustee Luckham: or you could figure that out

[0:48:32] Trustee Luckham: and then we could maybe just have a look at that after sorry for not bringing that to your attention

[0:48:37] Trustee Luckham: sooner um but obviously one of the items that is on the follow-up action list now is our next item

[0:48:42] Trustee Luckham: 6.2 which is the island stress model strategy for antenna systems and that's here for consideration

[0:48:49] Trustee Luckham: of adoption um um and so if that's all right with everybody we'll proceed with that i don't mean to

[0:48:58] Trustee Luckham: to overload your tasking there,

[0:49:00] Trustee Luckham: Director, Regional Planning Manager Cara

[0:49:02] Trustee Luckham: by asking you to do something else as well,

[0:49:04] Trustee Luckham: but you'll figure that out.

[0:49:06] Trustee Luckham: Do you want to introduce this model strategy

[0:49:09] Trustee Luckham: for antenna systems for Laskiti Island here?

[0:49:15] Voice 9: Yes, and as it was noted earlier,

[0:49:18] Voice 9: that the trustees made a, passed a resolution

[0:49:22] Voice 9: at the last meeting to have this adopted by RWM.

[0:49:25] Voice 9: And we just, just the timing of it got away from us, staff workload made it so that by the time we were, we had time to do an RWM, it was already time to put out the agenda for the meeting.

[0:49:37] Voice 9: So we thought it might just be easier to put it on the agenda and have that before you now.

[0:49:42] Voice 9: So just as a reminder, this is the model strategy that has been recommended to all the, all the trusts, all the LTCs.

[0:49:50] Voice 9: um um if you we we can we recommend that you adopt it as is um if you try to make amendments

[0:49:59] Voice 9: to it it now becomes a project and um and we'd have to put it on the projects list and postpone

[0:50:06] Voice 9: um amending it um we do recommend it um in part because um communication companies aren't

[0:50:15] Voice 9: necessarily required to do public engagement beyond what the federal government requires of

[0:50:21] Voice 9: them. The model strategy takes that into account. And there was a process of consultation when this

[0:50:33] Voice 9: model was adopted. And there was consultation with the public as well as the federal government

[0:50:40] Voice 9: and communications companies.

[0:50:42] Voice 9: So basically we recommend that you adopt it.

[0:50:48] Trustee Luckham: Very good then.

[0:50:49] Trustee Luckham: So trustees, I see Trustee Johnson's hand up.

[0:50:53] Voice 7: My memory is that when this originally came to us,

[0:50:56] Voice 7: which was at least a year ago,

[0:50:58] Voice 7: this report came along with a model bylaw

[0:51:02] Voice 7: that we could consider.

[0:51:04] Voice 7: And there was a letter from David and Laura Slick

[0:51:08] Voice 7: that said we need to do an addition to it,

[0:51:12] Voice 7: an amendment to it to add a paragraph about Lusketi as an island without centrally generated

[0:51:20] Voice 7: electricity and we need to be consulted or proponents need to be aware that they need to

[0:51:27] Voice 7: produce their own electricity which almost certainly will be through diesel generator in

[0:51:32] Voice 7: the wintertime and also that transportation to and from an antenna site is not simple. Most of

[0:51:40] Voice 7: our roads are in the lowlands and most of the antenna sites presumably are on the highlands

[0:51:46] Voice 7: which are not easy to get to and David and Laura's major concern was the amount of fossil fuel that

[0:51:54] Voice 7: would have to be burned to service a remote antenna site. Now I think we just left it

[0:52:03] Voice 7: because we thought it was very highly unlikely that anything would come up but since then the

[0:52:08] Voice 7: The Liskiti Island Internet Access, Liskiti Internet Access Society has applied to put an antenna on the rock bluff above Pete's Lake on Crown land there, provincially administered land there.

[0:52:22] Voice 7: So, you know, the bylaw, wording of the model bylaw is not in this package, and I think it needs to be modified, and I don't have a particular modification.

[0:52:33] Voice 7: it's not a huge one it just it adds this extra energy and fuel question and noise too i suppose

[0:52:44] Voice 7: for neighboring yeah

[0:52:48] Voice 9: the model but i mean um i mean i wasn't here during that conversation

[0:52:52] Voice 9: there the protocol itself doesn't require is not a bylaw and doesn't require a bylaw for adoption

[0:52:58] Voice 9: um i'm i'm guessing that that conversation was a recommendation that in addition to the model

[0:53:05] Voice 9: protocol, you also consider making bylaw amendments, but they don't have to go together.

[0:53:11] Voice 9: The protocol can be adopted by itself. And in part, because it's not, it doesn't address any

[0:53:19] Voice 9: of those issues that you're talking about. It's just about public engagement for when

[0:53:24] Voice 9: the communication companies come, you know, what kind of public engagement they have to do.

[0:53:29] Voice 9: So other LTCs have just adopted the protocol, which is not a bylaw, but it's sort of guidelines.

[0:53:38] Voice 7: So this report is now, you're calling a protocol?

[0:53:43] Voice 9: Yes, or a strategy. I think the document is called a strategy, but it's not

[0:53:47] Voice 9: a bylaw.

[0:53:50] Voice 7: So we adopt it rather than receive it, or is that the same?

[0:53:54] Trustee Luckham: We adopt it.

[0:53:56] Voice 7: Adopt it.

[0:53:57] Voice 7: But it's not a bylaw?

[0:53:59] Voice 7: Right.

[0:54:00] Voice 7: can we have an addendum to it if

[0:54:08] Voice 9: you if you add if you append it i guess then then that becomes

[0:54:13] Voice 9: a project that's kind of what i was saying you either adopt it whole hog today as is or you make

[0:54:20] Voice 9: it a project to amend it

[0:54:24] Voice 8: yeah

[0:54:26] Trustee Luckham: i think um the thinking here is um that presently uh liskiti

[0:54:32] Trustee Luckham: has no guidelines or strategy of its own and I will say that this particular package document

[0:54:42] Trustee Luckham: has some limitations and it is even industry has more of an industry focus than what we might like

[0:54:48] Trustee Luckham: but I think it is better than nothing and if you want to take on some work with this in the future

[0:54:57] Trustee Luckham: then we would need to put it on the projects list and create a project and dedicate staff time to it

[0:55:02] Trustee Luckham: in the absence of our resource absence of the ability to apply resources to taking this on as

[0:55:08] Trustee Luckham: a project I think the recommendation was and the assumption was on my part and staff's part

[0:55:14] Trustee Luckham: is that we would simply adopt this as a let's call it an interim you could even maybe say that in the

[0:55:20] Trustee Luckham: motion actually until such point as that we actually apply some energy to changing it but

[0:55:28] Trustee Luckham: But in the event that a proposal comes forward next week, we would be stuck with the federal government's strategy on this and would not be able to influence it in any way, shape or form.

[0:55:41] Trustee Luckham: This is better than nothing. And so it's a good stopgap measure, in my opinion.

[0:55:47] Trustee Luckham: But I will tell you, I will say for sure, I have concerns about some of the language as well.

[0:55:52] Trustee Luckham: And the slicks, I think it is, you said, are correct in some of their assumptions.

[0:55:57] Trustee Luckham: but we would have to take it on as a project.

[0:56:00] Trustee Luckham: And so we're trying to do the best we can at this time.

[0:56:03] Trustee Luckham: And so I'll maybe ask Trustee Peterson

[0:56:05] Trustee Luckham: if he has any remarks,

[0:56:06] Trustee Luckham: and then if we want to advance this

[0:56:09] Trustee Luckham: to adopt it at this time,

[0:56:10] Trustee Luckham: that would be a good idea, I think.

[0:56:12] Trustee Luckham: Over to you, Trustee Peterson.

[0:56:15] Voice 6: Thank you, Chair.

[0:56:16] Voice 6: So, yeah, I mean, I would tend to agree

[0:56:19] Voice 6: that in the absence of time to tinker with this,

[0:56:24] Voice 6: that it's better to adopt it as is and plan to work on it later. The projects list isn't on this

[0:56:33] Voice 6: agenda, but if I'm not mistaken, this has been on our projects list. So I would say that if we

[0:56:43] Voice 6: adopt it, we don't remove it from the projects list at this point, because we want to keep

[0:56:50] Voice 6: keep flagging to ourselves that there's some things that we may want to adjust.

[0:56:56] Voice 6: The one that stood out for me as being an important piece that's missing

[0:57:05] Voice 6: from this report is under discouraged locations. It does not mention First Nations cultural sites

[0:57:14] Voice 6: and i think that's an oversight that uh really stands out for me there's a couple sections there

[0:57:20] Voice 6: where i'd be much happier if it included first nations cultural sites as part of the discouraged

[0:57:25] Voice 6: locations um and uh so that that stands out for me as as one of the glaring ones and i also don't

[0:57:34] Voice 6: remember the specifics of of the letter from um slicks but i know there was some uh there was some

[0:57:44] Voice 6: some concrete suggestions there.

[0:57:46] Voice 6: And as Heather's mentioned that we don't

[0:57:49] Voice 6: without making it our top single top priority right now

[0:57:54] Voice 6: and shelving all the other important work we're doing

[0:57:56] Voice 6: we let's either adopt as is or nothing today.

[0:58:01] Voice 6: So I'm in favor of just adopting it in lieu of the nothing.

[0:58:08] Trustee Luckham: Heather, did you have a recommended motion here

[0:58:12] Trustee Luckham: here and given that maybe this might be interim

[0:58:16] Trustee Luckham: that we adopt this as an interim model strategy

[0:58:19] Trustee Luckham: for 10 systems for Laskete Island,

[0:58:22] Trustee Luckham: did you ever recommend a motion?

[0:58:25] Voice 9: I can come up with one relatively quickly.

[0:58:29] Voice 9: And we have found the FUAL and Will could share that.

[0:58:36] Voice 9: So if you want to go back to the FUAL

[0:58:39] Voice 9: while I'm drafting a motion, a proposed motion.

[0:58:42] Voice 9: Okay. We

[0:58:43] Voice 9: might ask you

[0:58:44] Trustee Luckham: questions about the FUAL.

[0:58:45] Trustee Luckham: That's

[0:58:46] Voice 9: true. So I just need a minute to draft a motion.

[0:58:50] Trustee Luckham: Let's get the FUAL up on the screen, Will.

[0:58:54] Trustee Luckham: And trustees can consider that while

[0:58:58] Trustee Luckham: Regional Planning Manager Cowler is multitasking. There you go.

[0:59:07] Trustee Luckham: And so I'll just maybe paraphrase here. We obviously have

[0:59:11] Trustee Luckham: in progress the Freshwater Sustainability Project

[0:59:14] Trustee Luckham: the OCP LUB project potable water that says completed there item two that was from October

[0:59:26] Trustee Luckham: 2019 so fast forwarding to February 2021 so just have to ensure the town hall portion of the

[0:59:37] Trustee Luckham: agenda is placed after trustee and director reports okay so that's completed that's where

[0:59:42] Trustee Luckham: we've got it now and certainly understand a public concern about that location of that

[0:59:48] Trustee Luckham: and I continue to believe that that's where it needs to be

[0:59:54] Trustee Luckham: to inform our decisions rather than criticize decisions after the

[1:00:00] Trustee Luckham: decisions have been made. So staff to research to provide requirements for establishing log

[1:00:08] Trustee Luckham: dumps. Okay, so that's completed staff to facilitate arbor drum for the minutes completed.

[1:00:16] Trustee Luckham: And then further on. Yeah, some of these obviously can come off of the list. So all this is in

[1:00:24] Trustee Luckham: in progress, OCP review, numbering systems on the island,

[1:00:32] Trustee Luckham: coordinate with Haggis John Hackett,

[1:00:34] Trustee Luckham: our WMPM considering adoption.

[1:00:38] Trustee Luckham: Here we are, that's the one on the agenda today.

[1:00:41] Trustee Luckham: And endorsement of the annual report,

[1:00:43] Trustee Luckham: which is also no doubt in progress.

[1:00:46] Trustee Luckham: Is that the end of it?

[1:00:47] Trustee Luckham: That is the end of it.

[1:00:50] Trustee Luckham: So maybe before I go back to Heather

[1:00:53] Trustee Luckham: for the motion that we have,

[1:00:55] Trustee Luckham: are there any other questions on the follow-up action list?

[1:00:57] Trustee Luckham: Oh, OK, perfect. Then let's go back to Heather then and get perhaps her motion up on the screen.

[1:01:08] Trustee Luckham: And so now you've got to share screens now. And you'll have to turn on your microphone if you're actually talking to us.

[1:01:21] Voice 9: There's a lot of multitasking involved. All right. And I'm still sort of drafting it. So let's do this.

[1:01:28] Trustee Luckham: That's all right. You just go through it and it'll all work out.

[1:01:35] Voice 9: All right. Let's do this.

[1:01:39] Voice 7: I if I can interrupt just for a moment I'm not sure there's any point in saying in an interim

[1:01:44] Voice 7: basis because we could change it later or not we can do that with virtually anything can't we

[1:01:51] Voice 7: well

[1:01:52] Trustee Luckham: you you can I think it's a signal it's more a signal to the public and a reminder to ourselves

[1:01:58] Trustee Luckham: that we had some concerns about anything I I think there's a bit of a transparency thing

[1:02:05] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[1:02:09] Voice 7: Presumably we'll put it on the projects list too.

[1:02:12] Trustee Luckham: On the projects list, and we're not going to take it on.

[1:02:15] Voice 7: Okay. We'll leave

[1:02:16] Trustee Luckham: it on the projects.

[1:02:17] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, but we might want to amend the projects list entry there that says,

[1:02:23] Trustee Luckham: amend the adopted strategy. There's all kinds of subtleties there.

[1:02:30] Voice 7: Yeah. Okay. I'm okay. I just don't see the need to say interim.

[1:02:34] Voice 7: Yeah.

[1:02:36] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, it's just a signal. I want to respect the people that did write to us.

[1:02:43] Trustee Luckham: So there's a motion. Thank you, Heather. Does the trustee wish to make that motion?

[1:02:54] Voice 7: We're okay with endorse rather than adopt?

[1:02:59] Voice 6: Yeah, I would say adopt, yeah.

[1:03:02] Voice 6: That was going to be my point as well.

[1:03:05] Voice 7: Okay, I'll second. I mean, I'll move that.

[1:03:10] Trustee Luckham: I'm sorry, if you can read

[1:03:12] Voice 7: the motion out for

[1:03:13] Trustee Luckham: the members.

[1:03:14] Voice 7: That the Liskety Island Local Trust Committee adopt on an interim basis the Islands Trust

[1:03:18] Voice 7: Model Strategy for Antenna Systems.

[1:03:21] Trustee Luckham: Right, so that's moved and Tim

[1:03:23] Trustee Luckham: Peterson seconded it. I will second that.

[1:03:25] Trustee Luckham: Perfect. Any discussion? No, so I'll call the vote on that motion. All those in favor?

[1:03:33] Voice 8: Aye.

[1:03:34] Trustee Luckham: Any opposed? None opposed,

[1:03:36] Trustee Luckham: so that carries. And then in consideration of the follow-up action report, do you want to amend

[1:03:41] Trustee Luckham: that item on our projects list to say amendments to the adopted strategy so

[1:03:50] Trustee Luckham: well

[1:03:51] Voice 7: is it not it's on the projects list but not the top priorities list so it's

[1:03:56] Voice 7: not an active project is it

[1:03:58] Trustee Luckham: that's correct it still

[1:03:59] Voice 7: stays on the follow-up

[1:04:01] Voice 7: action list right okay

[1:04:03] Voice 7: I

[1:04:04] Trustee Luckham: see what you're saying help me out there Heather you

[1:04:09] Trustee Luckham: You would obviously need to amend.

[1:04:11] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, we don't amend the follow-up action list.

[1:04:13] Trustee Luckham: You do that.

[1:04:14] Trustee Luckham: So we don't need that.

[1:04:15] Voice 9: Right.

[1:04:16] Voice 9: Yeah, now that we have accomplished this particular one,

[1:04:20] Voice 9: it'll come off the follow-up action list.

[1:04:21] Voice 9: But yeah, you would.

[1:04:23] Voice 9: I'm looking, I'm actually looking at the projects report.

[1:04:26] Voice 9: Yeah, in fact, it's the next item on our.

[1:04:29] Voice 9: Yeah, and I am

[1:04:30] Voice 9: not seeing the model strategy

[1:04:32] Voice 9: on the projects list.

[1:04:33] Voice 8: Oh.

[1:04:34] Voice 9: So maybe it does need to be added

[1:04:36] Voice 9: and that you're amending it.

[1:04:39] Voice 9: I

[1:04:39] Voice 6: thought it was one of our top priorities.

[1:04:41] Voice 9: Maybe that's what I'm missing.

[1:04:43] Voice 9: I'm just looking at the projects report.

[1:04:45] Trustee Luckham: Okay, well, let's consider that.

[1:04:46] Trustee Luckham: And when we get to those projects at 13.1 and 13.2,

[1:04:53] Trustee Luckham: let's consider making some amendments.

[1:04:57] Trustee Luckham: So that's good.

[1:04:58] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, trustees.

[1:04:59] Trustee Luckham: And I think I said that I called the vote and I carried.

[1:05:02] Trustee Luckham: And so that's completed that.

[1:05:04] Trustee Luckham: And we are now at 10.35.

[1:05:06] Trustee Luckham: five we're just over a little bit of an hour into the meeting we're about to launch into the official

[1:05:11] Trustee Luckham: community plan project which might be quite a lengthy conversation did you want to have a five

[1:05:16] Trustee Luckham: minute refresh your teacup moment or do you want to just jump right in i'm seeing tea break so five

[1:05:24] Trustee Luckham: minutes is that sufficient for everybody all right i'm sure so uh members of the public we're just

[1:05:30] Trustee Luckham: going to refresh ourselves to get into the meat of the meeting today so to speak and we'll be back

[1:05:36] Trustee Luckham: in five minutes and well can you just post a little message up there that says back back at 10 41.

[1:11:47] Trustee Luckham: so i see uh regional planning manager i see trustee johnson where is trustee peterson very

[1:12:00] Trustee Luckham: very good okay and i'm gonna assume that dave is there and um this brings us then now um if

[1:12:10] Trustee Luckham: everybody's okay at 8.1 page 61 of our agenda package one right there the skidi official

[1:12:21] Trustee Luckham: committee plan consideration of second reading and so this is our opportunity to make any

[1:12:28] Trustee Luckham: amendments if we so wish and i know that trustee johnson you want to go through a number of

[1:12:32] Trustee Luckham: items here and this is absolutely the time to have that discussion. So I'm just going to turn

[1:12:38] Trustee Luckham: it briefly to Regional Planning Manager Cower to introduce the topic and maybe advise us on

[1:12:47] Trustee Luckham: what your expectations and what the process should be, it might be, and then we can jump into

[1:12:53] Trustee Luckham: a discussion.

[1:12:56] Voice 9: All right, thank you, Chair. So yeah, this is the staff report for the

[1:13:03] Voice 9: the official community plan, there were basically four overarching things that the LTC asked me to

[1:13:12] Voice 9: work on. One was that you got recommendations from the Island Stress Conservancy that there

[1:13:19] Voice 9: be a new designation added, which is the parks, what do we call it, parks and protected areas.

[1:13:28] Voice 9: is. So that was one. And another one was language regarding reconciliation. So the senior

[1:13:38] Voice 9: intergovernmental policy advisor, Lisa Wilcox, had recommended some language around that.

[1:13:42] Voice 9: So we worked on that. The third thing was that there was policies regarding log dumps,

[1:13:50] Voice 9: as they were referred to in the OCP. The province refers to those as log handling facilities,

[1:13:56] Voice 9: And they licensed those. And in the end, I had recommended that there was a couple of policies that were outdated that should be removed.

[1:14:06] Voice 9: And then the fourth thing was, was that there had been some recommendations regarding the agricultural land reserve from one of your constituents.

[1:14:17] Voice 9: And we were asked to consider that so that there has been some amendments based on that.

[1:14:23] Voice 9: So what you have before you is an explanation of those changes, amendments that were made

[1:14:33] Voice 9: based on those resolutions, and a recommendation to adopt that by giving it second reading

[1:14:42] Voice 9: and moving it along to public hearing.

[1:14:46] Voice 9: Now, of course, you have the option of not giving it second reading.

[1:14:50] Voice 9: And if you feel that the process is just a little too quick, that you're not ready to give it second reading today and you know that, then we don't necessarily have to go through all of the amendments step by step if you don't want to.

[1:15:05] Voice 9: I mean, we could use the opportunity to talk about them more, but if you feel like there needs to be more public process in between now and what I'm recommending, the public hearing being in August, then you might want to just consider that to start with and then have a detailed conversation about amendments later on or some sort of combination of all of that.

[1:15:30] Voice 9: So I will kind of leave it to you to talk about that and decide what you'd like to do, but there are there are a few options in terms of process here.

[1:15:41] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you. Maybe I'll just ask a question of clarity just to get us off in my mind anyway on the right footing.

[1:15:49] Trustee Luckham: Certainly you've got some suggested amendments here, and I know that there's other amendments that trustees may want to make based upon what they've heard from the public.

[1:16:01] Trustee Luckham: If we were considering going to the public hearing, which is an important step for the

[1:16:09] Trustee Luckham: community in August, I think it's what I just heard you say, I sort of tend to think

[1:16:16] Trustee Luckham: that that's an optimal time for the community when people are around and available and visitors

[1:16:22] Trustee Luckham: are around and available to contribute to that public hearing process.

[1:16:25] Trustee Luckham: If we don't move that and get you to move in the direction of public hearing, and if we want to consider only discussion today with no amendments and consider amendments at some future meeting, obviously that is going to push that back beyond August and would just like to see, and I'm not going to specify when that might be, because potentially there may be a necessity for a special meeting in between and whether you've considered that or not.

[1:16:55] Trustee Luckham: So can you just comment on that process in terms of timing

[1:17:00] Trustee Luckham: to get us to an optimal point in time

[1:17:03] Trustee Luckham: to enable all of the public to have the opportunity

[1:17:07] Trustee Luckham: to be engaged on this,

[1:17:10] Trustee Luckham: especially with us coming out of COVID and all this stuff.

[1:17:12] Voice 9: Right, yeah, I mean, that was my thought too,

[1:17:16] Voice 9: is that August would be a good time for public hearing.

[1:17:21] Voice 9: I have considered the fact

[1:17:22] Voice 9: that you may wanna have a special meeting

[1:17:24] Voice 9: either for the public hearing itself, you know, rather than having the public hearing at a regular

[1:17:30] Voice 9: business meeting, or, and or a special meeting just to talk about the OCP and go through all

[1:17:38] Voice 9: the amendments before you give it another reading or something like that. So special, I think special

[1:17:44] Voice 9: meetings are an option. We don't have capacity to do a lot of special meetings, but with this kind

[1:17:53] Voice 9: of project it makes sense that there be special meetings for something and public hearings if you

[1:17:58] Voice 9: expect there to be a lot of um folks showing up um and and then it might it might not make sense to

[1:18:06] Voice 9: have it at the same at your business meeting at your regular business meeting

[1:18:12] Trustee Luckham: okay thank you so that sort of sets the framework for the conversation so then um any questions

[1:18:20] Trustee Luckham: questions about the report or do you just want to jump into consideration of the four items that

[1:18:28] Trustee Luckham: Heather's brought to us and then additional items that you may want to talk about today? What would

[1:18:33] Trustee Luckham: you like to do, trustees?

[1:18:36] Voice 7: I have a question about process. I notice it calls for, I can't remember

[1:18:45] Voice 7: remember exactly the phrase, but if we have the public information meeting, to me, that's the

[1:18:52] Voice 7: important one, although I understand the public hearing is required. To me, ideally, through a

[1:19:01] Voice 7: series of public information meetings or other sorts of things, we find out that most people

[1:19:09] Voice 7: people are happy. To me, the public hearing is one where people can come and say, mostly what

[1:19:17] Voice 7: people say is what they're unhappy with. But that's necessary. But to me, the information

[1:19:24] Voice 7: meeting is the more critical one, because that's where people can say and trustees can ask

[1:19:30] Voice 7: questions. There can be a conversation. A public hearing is very formal and very one-way directed.

[1:19:37] Voice 7: and then the committee makes its decision.

[1:19:41] Voice 7: My question is that I believe as it set out in the project,

[1:19:48] Voice 7: after the public hearing,

[1:19:50] Voice 7: there's still room for amendments.

[1:19:51] Voice 7: And if there are amendments after the public hearing,

[1:19:54] Voice 7: do they have to be only minor?

[1:19:58] Trustee Luckham: They don't change the intent.

[1:20:00] Voice 9: Right, they

[1:20:02] Voice 9: can't be substantive changes,

[1:20:05] Voice 9: But the primary advice that we get is that a bylaw can't be changed to change the use or density of development.

[1:20:20] Voice 9: And that typically only applies to a land use bylaw, although conceivably policies in the OCP could do that.

[1:20:27] Voice 9: But I don't foresee that happening.

[1:20:29] Voice 9: The hard line after a public hearing is that the trustees can't receive any more direct public input.

[1:20:38] Voice 9: But yes, the bylaw can be amended after public hearing.

[1:20:45] Voice 7: And would that normally, well, I don't know what normal.

[1:20:49] Voice 7: I know there have been on Mesquitee public hearings and then the trust committee met sometime later.

[1:20:55] Voice 7: And it was very difficult to say to people, don't talk to me about that.

[1:20:58] Voice 8: I

[1:20:59] Voice 7: can't listen to you. Don't write me letters and emails.

[1:21:03] Voice 7: So usually, or generally, in my experience, it's the press committee meets immediately

[1:21:09] Voice 7: after the public hearing and tries to make a decision right then, or makes a decision then,

[1:21:14] Voice 7: just to avoid that situation. I mean, I don't see any reason to wait for more information or

[1:21:21] Voice 7: anything because they're not supposed to have it. Can I make a little speech here?

[1:21:31] Voice 7: I'm feeling like we made a mistake saying thank you to the LCA OCP committee and more or less

[1:21:39] Voice 7: saying we'll take it on from here. I think that staff Heather has done a remarkable job on sorting

[1:21:50] Voice 7: through all the input and adopting things that she felt were reasonable, and then saying to others

[1:21:58] Voice 7: in her April staff report, I didn't make a decision on this. And that calls out for somebody

[1:22:05] Voice 7: to make a decision, the local trust committee, obviously. But I'm feeling quite isolated coming

[1:22:13] Voice 7: out of COVID. There haven't been many public events. I haven't been out much. There hasn't

[1:22:18] Voice 7: been as far as i'm aware much discussion of many of these issues and i'm not feeling like i could

[1:22:23] Voice 7: make a decision very well on that and maybe the three of us could hear but it would be

[1:22:29] Voice 7: much easier if we had a public process that involved other people with a stake in it saying

[1:22:37] Voice 7: yes we should adopt this one we could modify this one or put this one together

[1:22:42] Voice 7: otherwise it's just the three of us basically deciding on all these changes then of course

[1:22:47] Voice 7: we amend the bylaw, put it out again and get more feedback or, you know, whatever reading it is.

[1:22:59] Voice 7: You know, we can, I don't know how to proceed. I would like to spend some time going through

[1:23:05] Voice 7: each of those suggested changes that was left for decision in the April 26th meeting.

[1:23:11] Voice 7: meeting. And I had the idea that this is related. Would it be possible for us to have

[1:23:21] Voice 7: correspondence between each other that was on the local trust committee website,

[1:23:26] Voice 7: such that we could speak to each other, write to each other, and the public could be informed,

[1:23:31] Voice 7: they could have access to this and read that? Is that possible? I think it might be advantageous,

[1:23:38] Voice 7: because the only time we get to talk to each other

[1:23:40] Voice 7: is during a local trust committee meeting about issues.

[1:23:44] Voice 7: And that's very limiting.

[1:23:49] Trustee Luckham: And that's the way government works.

[1:23:51] Trustee Luckham: It has to

[1:23:52] Voice 7: be in public meeting.

[1:23:53] Voice 7: Well, everything has to be in public, and that's the correspondence.

[1:23:57] Voice 7: If I said, you know, on this local trust committee page,

[1:24:03] Voice 7: can we do this?

[1:24:05] Voice 7: And you said, well, we could, but it would be stupid

[1:24:07] Voice 7: because such and such and everybody could read that would that meet the uh the meeting and public

[1:24:15] Voice 7: requirement because i think it would help us advance things and if it would would do that

[1:24:22] Voice 7: and meet the public meeting requirement then i think it would be helpful yeah

[1:24:29] Trustee Luckham: well to start

[1:24:30] Trustee Luckham: with i would never say it was stupid oh okay

[1:24:32] Trustee Luckham: all

[1:24:33] Voice 7: right you know

[1:24:34] Trustee Luckham: online message

[1:24:35] Voice 7: you would put it

[1:24:36] Voice 7: much more

[1:24:36] Trustee Luckham: say that in person yeah

[1:24:38] Voice 7: no

[1:24:40] Trustee Luckham: you know it's actually the public meeting part that's the

[1:24:43] Trustee Luckham: important thing is decisions of the ltc and discussion of the ltc needs to happen in a

[1:24:48] Trustee Luckham: meeting and that's a limitation sure it could be different but it's that's the local government act

[1:24:55] Trustee Luckham: and that's what we are required to adhere to so that people that don't have internet access or

[1:25:00] Trustee Luckham: didn't get around to checking the website to see what the blather is and they got or they simply

[1:25:06] Trustee Luckham: got tired of the back and forth that wasn't going anywhere, and then we made some critical decision,

[1:25:11] Trustee Luckham: and then all of a sudden that's done, the public would be rightfully upset that they were not a

[1:25:21] Trustee Luckham: party to the decision that was made. Is there

[1:25:25] Trustee Luckham: anything else you want to add to that? I think

[1:25:28] Trustee Luckham: that's it.

[1:25:29] Voice 7: No. Okay, I don't know what, let's just...

[1:25:37] Trustee Luckham: Well, I would say we actually have the

[1:25:39] Trustee Luckham: the conversation today and see where it goes and if it gets more complicated than we can think or

[1:25:45] Trustee Luckham: or maybe we've overthought it at this point and that it's maybe not so difficult to do let's just

[1:25:51] Trustee Luckham: see where it goes and of course don't forget that although we're making an OCP a major amendment to

[1:25:58] Trustee Luckham: an OCP if there's things that we are not happy with we can not include those in this version

[1:26:04] Trustee Luckham: and consider that for a future project, absolutely,

[1:26:10] Trustee Luckham: where we might wanna just simply spend more time,

[1:26:13] Trustee Luckham: engage more with Advisory Planning Commission.

[1:26:15] Trustee Luckham: And I think that the Laskete Island,

[1:26:20] Trustee Luckham: I apologize, I'm messing up the name now,

[1:26:23] Trustee Luckham: but the committee, the body that has submitted that work,

[1:26:27] Trustee Luckham: I think that they felt that their process was concluded

[1:26:29] Trustee Luckham: and that they did as much as they could.

[1:26:32] Trustee Luckham: and there were some unanswered questions and and so uh they have turned that back to us

[1:26:38] Trustee Luckham: and it may be difficult but that said there could be future amendments to an ocp that would be just

[1:26:45] Trustee Luckham: minor in um nature that we want to amend section 3.6 because we didn't have time to figure it out

[1:26:52] Trustee Luckham: but i think that the body of work actually advances your ocp you know i use this phrase

[1:26:58] Trustee Luckham: now moves the dial right it moves the dial on your overarching guiding document into a much

[1:27:06] Trustee Luckham: better place in 2021 than what it was the last time it was revised so it's worthy of considering

[1:27:13] Trustee Luckham: advancing the process just to simply put you in a better place because it may end up taking years

[1:27:17] Trustee Luckham: to solve some of these issues that the LCA was unable to resolve and you're absolutely right

[1:27:23] Trustee Luckham: Peter you may not be comfortable with making those decisions because you simply haven't had

[1:27:27] Trustee Luckham: had enough information or discussion and maybe it needs to go deeper or you know some of these

[1:27:33] Trustee Luckham: issues have been hanging around for a very long time and maybe they're not solvable in the way

[1:27:39] Trustee Luckham: that we think given our jurisdiction and our authority so uh trustee peterson you want to

[1:27:46] Trustee Luckham: just kick us off with some of your thoughts and then maybe we'll just dive in here and

[1:27:50] Trustee Luckham: see how it goes yeah

[1:27:53] Voice 6: thank you chair um in terms of the process and you know amendability uh the

[1:28:00] Voice 6: fact that we can revisit stuff if we do uh you know i just wanted to point out we've got uh

[1:28:06] Voice 6: more phases ahead in this project uh we've got uh um you know in in the further phases we

[1:28:15] Voice 6: we'd already identified and added some things to that so um advancing this work if we do so today

[1:28:21] Voice 6: is does not mean we can't come and revisit it um later on as we're going to be continuing

[1:28:29] Voice 6: this type of work for uh i'm i'm guessing at least the rest of this term and possibly into

[1:28:35] Voice 6: the next term even uh based on the that scoping um that being said i went through the uh

[1:28:42] Voice 6: uh the uh recommendations here uh over the weekend for an additional time I'd made some notes and

[1:28:51] Voice 6: double checked on on a bunch of it and uh I sort of I went through um starting out marking the ones

[1:29:02] Voice 6: that I felt pretty okay at advancing and making notes for myself and and by the time I had a final

[1:29:09] Voice 6: of luck this morning. I have to say that I'm actually fairly happy to advance most, pretty

[1:29:16] Voice 6: much all of those recommendations. There was one that I had a question about, and we can get there

[1:29:21] Voice 6: in a minute, but I'm also perfectly happy to discuss them all before we advance them. But I'm

[1:29:28] Voice 6: not concerned that we're rushing at this point by considering giving, you know, the next reading to

[1:29:37] Voice 6: to this document.

[1:29:38] Voice 6: So I want to also echo Trustee Johnson's comments

[1:29:44] Voice 6: and I think that staff has done a great job

[1:29:48] Voice 6: of incorporating all of the things

[1:29:53] Voice 6: that the trustees asked for it at our last meeting.

[1:29:56] Voice 6: I didn't see any emissions or.

[1:30:00] Voice 6: any of that. So I just want to thank staff for putting in that work to take all of that stuff

[1:30:06] Voice 6: that we had requested and get it in here. And I know it's busy down at the Gabriel office there,

[1:30:13] Voice 6: so thank you very much. And I'll leave it at that for the moment. Okay.

[1:30:20] Voice 7: I have a procedural

[1:30:22] Voice 7: question. I assume, Tim, you're talking about things that are on today's agenda package,

[1:30:28] Voice 7: the recommendations from Heather.

[1:30:31] Voice 7: Is that correct?

[1:30:32] Voice 6: That's correct.

[1:30:33] Voice 6: Those are the recommendations that I talked about

[1:30:36] Voice 6: going through and-

[1:30:37] Voice 6: Yeah, if

[1:30:38] Voice 7: we adopt one of them,

[1:30:40] Voice 7: do we have to amend first reading

[1:30:43] Voice 7: and then give it second reading?

[1:30:46] Voice 7: Or what's the process there?

[1:30:49] Voice 9: You can theoretically amend first reading

[1:30:54] Voice 9: without giving it second reading.

[1:30:57] Voice 9: That's how that would work.

[1:30:58] Voice 9: but it makes it a little awkward procedurally. It's better to amend first reading fully and

[1:31:05] Voice 9: then give it second reading in the same sitting if you're going to do that.

[1:31:11] Voice 7: Okay. And then there's, other than the minor changes, relatively minor changes,

[1:31:18] Voice 7: there's only one more opportunity between second and third reading to do further amendments.

[1:31:22] Voice 7: although

[1:31:24] Trustee Luckham: there are uh amendments that you can make at adoption if you've learned if there's

[1:31:31] Trustee Luckham: if you've had response back from the province or from executive committee um with uh some

[1:31:37] Trustee Luckham: suggestions but that again in terms of minor minor really minor um typically those are very

[1:31:43] Trustee Luckham: minor but there is potential for you to make amendments at adoption yeah

[1:31:49] Voice 7: of

[1:31:50] Trustee Luckham: a non-substantial

[1:31:51] Trustee Luckham: nature yeah and

[1:31:52] Voice 7: and will we at some point go through the comments from the public that were

[1:31:57] Voice 7: not incorporated and were left for us to to decide about well

[1:32:03] Trustee Luckham: i think that was your request that i

[1:32:05] Trustee Luckham: heard through email and so i i think yes if you've got a list that you want to address this is the

[1:32:12] Trustee Luckham: opportunity to do that do you agree with that heather yeah

[1:32:16] Voice 7: okay and and which order should we

[1:32:20] Voice 7: do that well

[1:32:21] Trustee Luckham: that's thanks for that opportunity uh peter and i just printed out the first couple

[1:32:26] Trustee Luckham: pages of the staff report to try and keep them on track here and um i think i would suggest

[1:32:33] Trustee Luckham: anyway that we not do the endorse the revised project charter at this time right in this moment

[1:32:39] Trustee Luckham: but later on today let's have the conversation and then if it turns out there's some other

[1:32:43] Trustee Luckham: amendments we need to do for the project charter that will come but i would like to start us off

[1:32:49] Trustee Luckham: with thinking about the amendments and the recommendations and we've got two which number

[1:32:53] Trustee Luckham: two recommendation which is quite lengthy and then we've got recommendation three and four

[1:33:00] Trustee Luckham: and so I don't know whether or not you are completely happy with the amendment that well

[1:33:07] Trustee Luckham: there's two sections to this a b c through o whether or not you're happy to go through that

[1:33:17] Trustee Luckham: that as one if you're if you don't have any concerns with it otherwise we could go through

[1:33:21] Trustee Luckham: it incrementally and say for instance local trust committee amend bylaw number 98 as follows and we

[1:33:28] Trustee Luckham: do a and then we and then we do b and we do a and we do k and n for instance and then we come back

[1:33:36] Trustee Luckham: and have a conversation about the ones that we weren't comfortable with advancing so and then

[1:33:42] Trustee Luckham: we will go into the the list of topics that were not decided and that staff weren't comfortable

[1:33:48] Trustee Luckham: with making a recommendation for and that maybe there is some conversation here that needs to

[1:33:53] Trustee Luckham: happen today so if that's okay as far as the process goes or keep us kind of on a kind of a

[1:34:00] Trustee Luckham: track um i would just simply ask that that recommendation number two a through o is there

[1:34:10] Trustee Luckham: there any one of those a through o that you would rather remove and have a separate discussion about

[1:34:17] Trustee Luckham: oh uh peter peterson sorry i don't have to get that sorted out i want to give uh tim peterson

[1:34:29] Trustee Luckham: some airtime first chance airtime as well go ahead

[1:34:36] Voice 6: yeah so um the the only portion of

[1:34:42] Voice 6: of A through O that I really had a question about

[1:34:49] Voice 6: is repealing the Lasketo Island Trust Committee

[1:34:53] Voice 6: by-law infraction investigation by-law number 27, 1990

[1:34:57] Voice 6: is repealed in its entirety.

[1:35:00] Voice 6: And then I didn't, perhaps I missed something,

[1:35:03] Voice 6: but I didn't notice it being replaced in any form.

[1:35:06] Voice 6: And I'm just wondering if it's contemplated

[1:35:11] Voice 6: that we'll look at that again

[1:35:13] Voice 6: in at some later time or we're comfortable just repealing it and yeah that was my question about

[1:35:21] Voice 6: that okay

[1:35:22] Trustee Luckham: so you're satisfied with b through o then at this point so maybe let's answer that

[1:35:29] Trustee Luckham: question and then let's see where peter is at on recommendation number two a through o so let's

[1:35:36] Trustee Luckham: see what the answer to that is. Heather, on the repeal?

[1:35:41] Voice 9: Yeah, I know that line is a little

[1:35:43] Voice 9: confusing. When we met last, there was a portion of the draft bylaw, the first reading bylaw,

[1:35:52] Voice 9: and there was a line that said, we're going to repeal the bylaw infraction investigation bylaw.

[1:35:59] Voice 9: And that was an error. We didn't want to repeal it, and you didn't want to repeal it.

[1:36:04] Voice 9: um so what this does is it it says no we're not going to repeal it we're eliminating the repeal

[1:36:12] Voice 9: um so if that makes sense okay

[1:36:15] Voice 6: thank you for that clarity because indeed it was a bit confusing

[1:36:19] Voice 6: to read it so thank you i'm

[1:36:28] Trustee Luckham: i'm even more confused now and so the motion then that you're looking for

[1:36:32] Trustee Luckham: is that bylaw repeal delete two dot bylaw number 27 cited as uh is repealed in its entirety so

[1:36:42] Trustee Luckham: so you're deleting that line yes okay now i understand

[1:36:47] Trustee Luckham: okay so you're clear on that now

[1:36:49] Trustee Luckham: trustee peterson okay so uh uh peter johnson trustee johnson now um as we just went through

[1:36:56] Trustee Luckham: that there recommendation number two a through o do you have any questions or any discomfort with

[1:37:05] Trustee Luckham: any of those to advance as a motion i

[1:37:08] Voice 7: i have to admit that i did not deal with each of these parts

[1:37:12] Voice 7: i went to the draft bylaw or the amended bylaw and i have my comments in it rather than on each

[1:37:21] Voice 7: of these sections, so I can... Well

[1:37:26] Trustee Luckham: that's easy to do because the B through O are all

[1:37:32] Trustee Luckham: designated as port three, so is it possible for you to go through that and come and provide

[1:37:42] Trustee Luckham: comment on B through O, which are all listed accordingly. So how would you like to proceed,

[1:37:53] Trustee Luckham: Peter? I

[1:37:53] Voice 7: think so. Let me start with B, because this is, I remember this. We say Coast Salish,

[1:38:00] Voice 7: and most of the people that are Coast Salish, but two of the First Nations with interests on

[1:38:04] Voice 7: Muscatia are actually not Coast Salish. They're Campbell River and Cape Mudge. They're Kwakwa.

[1:38:10] Voice 7: You know, and they're obviously neighbors and relate, but so it's, you know, and I'm

[1:38:18] Voice 7: a little unsure about singling out, continuing to single out the Tla'aman people, who are

[1:38:27] Voice 7: clearly closest and have a very close relationship, but the Sana'a also feel close and don't have

[1:38:35] Voice 7: a close relationship with any existing members of the community, but I would like it to include

[1:38:42] Voice 7: that a notice that there are at least a dozen, I think it's actually 14,

[1:38:47] Voice 7: oh actually that's not counted, there are quite a number of nations with interests on or around

[1:38:54] Voice 7: Leskete. Right, so

[1:38:59] Trustee Luckham: I'm actually prepared to believe that we have had our senior environmental,

[1:39:03] Trustee Luckham: environmental or senior intergovernmental policy analyst advise us on this, but let me go to Heather

[1:39:10] Trustee Luckham: Crower and see if she has any thoughts on this one.

[1:39:15] Voice 9: Yeah, I mean, so Lisa, or the SIPA, she has,

[1:39:21] Voice 9: she's recognized that this language isn't perfect, but, and, but that it is what we should do for

[1:39:29] Voice 9: now. And there is a recognition that at some later date, the trust will go through a better,

[1:39:35] Voice 9: well, a more rigorous process for dealing with reconciliation in our OCPs. So this was the

[1:39:43] Voice 9: language that was recommended at this moment with the recognition that we might have to change it

[1:39:50] Voice 9: later. Okay. Could we

[1:39:53] Voice 7: put in a note saying this, that we recognize this is not perfect and we will

[1:39:59] Voice 7: work to improve it or is that self-defeating yeah

[1:40:05] Trustee Luckham: it's a little we don't usually put those

[1:40:07] Trustee Luckham: kinds of notes in an ocp but heather do you have a remark yeah

[1:40:12] Voice 9: i'm trying to think how we would do

[1:40:13] Voice 9: that um it might that might be something that we'd want to capture in the project charter

[1:40:19] Voice 9: you know a later later phase will recognize something like that but yeah we wouldn't

[1:40:27] Voice 9: typically put it in the document.

[1:40:29] Trustee Luckham: And Heather, it would be fair to say that post, because if we go

[1:40:34] Trustee Luckham: to second reading, we go to public hearing, it may become apparent in the intervening months that

[1:40:41] Trustee Luckham: given this conversation here now, that there may be some elaboration of that, that doesn't change

[1:40:47] Trustee Luckham: the intent of the OCP that could be added post-public hearing. Yes. Yeah. Dr. Peterson?

[1:40:55] Trustee Luckham: Yeah,

[1:40:58] Voice 6: on this point, I wonder if it's possible when we, like I noticed there's an option for a second referral is one of the things in here to, and what I'm specifically thinking is that a referral to First Nations that in some manner asked for some guidance on this exact question.

[1:41:23] Voice 6: And, of course, I would certainly refer that to the CIPA for her thoughts on how best to do that.

[1:41:33] Voice 6: But I'm wondering if that isn't one way to approach this question is to perhaps as part of the referral process is to directly address that question to those nations on our referral list.

[1:41:48] Voice 6: Yeah,

[1:41:51] Voice 9: that is why I've listed that as an alternative. You know, the original draft of the document was sent to First Nations for referral, but there hasn't been a referral that includes this exact language that has gone to the First Nations yet.

[1:42:08] Voice 9: And so that may be an option for you, something you'd want to do.

[1:42:13] Voice 6: um just process wise if we decided that we were going to go ahead and uh and uh you know

[1:42:21] Voice 6: officially read this today could we also then ask for an additional referral yes uh on this okay

[1:42:30] Voice 9: because i

[1:42:30] Voice 6: think that would make that would make me a lot happier if we can do that as part of the

[1:42:34] Voice 6: process if we in fact get there today yeah thank

[1:42:37] Voice 6: you okay

[1:42:39] Trustee Luckham: thank you so thank you peter um so on the

[1:42:42] Trustee Luckham: the part b here are yeah um b with that um community context section heading are you

[1:42:53] Trustee Luckham: satisfied that with that are you able to move on to part three community plan

[1:42:59] Voice 7: can i can i interject before that absolutely is i'm a little concerned about the length of the

[1:43:07] Voice 7: community plan is it part three that actually is the official community plan or is the whole

[1:43:14] Voice 7: whole thing the official community plan yeah

[1:43:18] Voice 9: part three is the official community plan you'll note

[1:43:21] Voice 9: that the document itself has sort of a preamble that is that is the bylaw um kind of beginning

[1:43:27] Voice 9: of a bylaw there's the whereas language and that kind of thing and so the ocp itself the document

[1:43:34] Voice 9: is part three of the bylaw that's kind of how that works

[1:43:39] Voice 7: okay it's it's still i'm concerned

[1:43:42] Voice 7: concerned partly about the length of it it would be nice if it was distilled there's quite a lot

[1:43:47] Voice 7: of repetition in it too of some of the points which isn't necessarily a bad thing but you know

[1:43:54] Voice 7: it does make it longer uh it's what 33 less it starts on page 11 i think so it's 22 pages

[1:44:03] Voice 7: which is quite a lot to read but i'm i'm glad because there's a lot of in the section one and

[1:44:09] Voice 7: section two that i thought could be left out uh completely you know uh i think the compliance

[1:44:18] Voice 7: section but maybe they're required for as part of a bill well

[1:44:25] Trustee Luckham: there are there are some requirements

[1:44:27] Trustee Luckham: and i'll just note that salt spring island i think their ocp is hundreds of pages so 22 pages is

[1:44:34] Trustee Luckham: yeah

[1:44:35] Voice 7: an

[1:44:36] Trustee Luckham: easy read yeah

[1:44:37] Voice 7: well i guess it depends if you if you really would like people to

[1:44:42] Voice 7: read it all um would it be i'm going to request and we don't have to do it that we actually start

[1:44:49] Voice 7: on page 11 and go through the draft or not page 11 uh page 11 of the table of contents to

[1:44:57] Voice 7: just go through part three so

[1:45:08] Trustee Luckham: can you say that again i was distracted i had a phone ringing

[1:45:11] Trustee Luckham: but we there this is a motion that's proposed a through o and i think we need do need to

[1:45:20] Trustee Luckham: acknowledge the reason I can't scroll that on the screen there's because I

[1:45:25] Trustee Luckham: don't have control of that so I'm just scrolling through here this part three

[1:45:29] Trustee Luckham: there's a number of amendments here that I think we need to be sure that those

[1:45:35] Trustee Luckham: are the amendments we want so can you say say that again if

[1:45:39] Voice 7: we could start at

[1:45:43] Voice 7: At page 88, I think it is.

[1:45:49] Voice 7: I'm

[1:45:49] Voice 9: hearing that Trustee Johnston would prefer going through the track changes version of the document.

[1:45:57] Voice 7: It's actually just the document itself, starting on page 88, I think.

[1:46:04] Voice 7: Yes, page 88.

[1:46:06] Trustee Luckham: And so we can certainly do that.

[1:46:08] Trustee Luckham: We're going to have to correlate it back to, you know, the significant amount of work that's been done here that I wouldn't want to have to recreate on the fly for the motion.

[1:46:19] Trustee Luckham: So if you want to go to page, you know, I don't want to make any assumptions about what you're happy with or miss anything with respect to the list that's before us in the motion.

[1:46:31] Trustee Luckham: But let's go to page 88 and figure out, this is 88 in the package, right?

[1:46:40] Voice 7: Yes.

[1:46:41] Trustee Luckham: Okay. So I'm just going to get there. So 86, 87, 88. Right. So this is part three official

[1:46:46] Trustee Luckham: committee plan. And so, um, sure. I'll just try and keep track here of, um, what we're,

[1:46:56] Trustee Luckham: what we're talking about, because I'm assuming Heather, you'll have to help me with this.

[1:47:00] Trustee Luckham: This is the bylaw amendments that you've got recommended here are probably in chronological

[1:47:05] Trustee Luckham: order they are okay so uh peter johnson and trustee peterson are you okay you got your hand

[1:47:12] Trustee Luckham: up

[1:47:13] Voice 6: yeah um uh i did it's uh just uh a matter of of course trustee johnson and i have approached

[1:47:22] Voice 6: our notes in in uh in opposite ways and of course what's going to make it a bit easier for him is

[1:47:29] Voice 6: going to make it a bit more complicated for me. I was going to be quite happy if we could go through

[1:47:38] Voice 6: A through O and then we could take a moment to refer to that section of the OCP as we went along,

[1:47:44] Voice 6: but I mean I'll go with the with the flow here, but I thought

[1:47:49] Trustee Luckham: that would be a

[1:47:50] Voice 6: helpful and quick

[1:47:50] Voice 6: way to at least let's

[1:47:54] Trustee Luckham: see how it goes here. I think that Heather and I can probably hopefully

[1:47:58] Trustee Luckham: I can figure this out, I think. I'm bluffing myself into thinking I can anyway.

[1:48:03] Trustee Luckham: But I've

[1:48:03] Trustee Luckham: got part three, official community plan section, community context.

[1:48:08] Trustee Luckham: So that's essentially the beginning of it here on the paragraph community context.

[1:48:12] Trustee Luckham: So assuming that we're OK with that, then we would go to the next section, Peter Johnson, which is the section titled community context, which says delete the first sentence in its entirety.

[1:48:25] Trustee Luckham: um

[1:48:26] Voice 7: i'm wondering why that's the sentence is as coast salish peoples including the

[1:48:30] Voice 7: have lived and resided on or near luskete island since time immemorial is that correct

[1:48:38] Voice 7: oh

[1:48:40] Trustee Luckham: yeah you see now i realize where my problem is going to be is you're looking at a word document

[1:48:47] Trustee Luckham: which has track changes is that correct no

[1:48:50] Voice 7: i'm looking at the draft of the bylaw starting on

[1:48:54] Voice 7: page 88 of the agenda package.

[1:48:58] Voice 9: That's the changed version. So this

[1:49:01] Voice 7: won't

[1:49:03] Voice 9: show the changes.

[1:49:04] Voice 7: Oh, the

[1:49:05] Voice 7: first sentence is already gone.

[1:49:06] Voice 9: Yes. Right.

[1:49:09] Voice 7: Okay. Okay. So I should look at the

[1:49:14] Voice 7: track changes version then. Is that correct?

[1:49:18] Trustee Luckham: Well, we're going to be in trouble if we go

[1:49:23] Trustee Luckham: there i think uh because i don't think i don't have the ability to do that i've gone through

[1:49:33] Trustee Luckham: the entire thing um and i'm looking at the amendments which um end up being the product

[1:49:40] Trustee Luckham: that's in front of us and so um i'm happy if you want to go to the your track changes version if

[1:49:48] Trustee Luckham: you've got notes in there but essentially um uh you need to figure that out yeah

[1:49:57] Voice 8: yeah so

[1:50:10] Trustee Luckham: chair

[1:50:10] Voice 9: we could do that and the track changes version reflects um a through o so you're gonna

[1:50:17] Trustee Luckham: see okay so maybe can you get the track changes version up on this on the screen that you're

[1:50:23] Trustee Luckham: sharing yeah and then that would enable me and i've got this list and i've got my pdf version

[1:50:29] Trustee Luckham: of the finished product here and maybe that's the way that we can work with peter to get through

[1:50:35] Trustee Luckham: this peter does that sound right i

[1:50:41] Voice 7: i'm sorry i was yeah i i can't um what page does the track

[1:50:49] Voice 7: verse track changes start on

[1:50:50] Voice 9: 126 of the packet of the pack of the agenda package yeah

[1:50:56] Voice 7: oh

[1:51:06] Trustee Luckham: i see so

[1:51:07] Trustee Luckham: So okay, I got it. So we're going to go to 126.

[1:51:15] Voice 7: It's actually,

[1:51:16] Voice 7: this part begins on page 136, part three.

[1:51:23] Trustee Luckham: That would be correct. Yes. And so I'm going to have to let you guys drive that screen for me

[1:51:29] Trustee Luckham: because I can't scroll. I

[1:51:30] Voice 9: can do that. Maybe I'll just say this, this, this is what we were

[1:51:35] Voice 9: talking about earlier this line is being removed so that was right yeah

[1:51:39] Trustee Luckham: so so that

[1:51:40] Trustee Luckham: that is the b

[1:51:41] Trustee Luckham: no sorry that's c um recommendations t so let's go to recommendation d maybe that's the way to do it

[1:51:49] Trustee Luckham: let's go to recommendation d and then see if peter johnson um sorry about the

[1:51:53] Trustee Luckham: scrolling that's

[1:51:55] Trustee Luckham: that's perfectly fine i

[1:52:06] Voice 7: certainly don't see anything wrong with that i in my track changes

[1:52:18] Voice 7: In the changes version, I don't see the first paragraph that has been removed in there.

[1:52:29] Voice 7: It still starts, the Coast Salish peoples, including Tlalaman, have lived and resided on or near Liskete Island since time immemorial.

[1:52:39] Voice 9: And that is new language.

[1:52:42] Voice 9: So it's not, there's nothing being eliminated there, other than when you go down this is, this is what, this is how it used to start, this paragraph here.

[1:52:51] Voice 9: and that sentence has been eliminated and then all of this has been added in ahead of it oh okay

[1:53:00] Voice 7: so you where you are so

[1:53:04] Trustee Luckham: you want if you're on page 136 there peter you should be seeing exactly

[1:53:08] Trustee Luckham: the same thing that heather is scrolling on the screen okay

[1:53:13] Voice 7: and which sentence which paragraph

[1:53:15] Voice 7: has been deleted this

[1:53:18] Trustee Luckham: sentence has been deleted just above the table right here and it's got a

[1:53:25] Trustee Luckham: strike. It's got a strike line

[1:53:27] Voice 7: through it. And it's

[1:53:34] Trustee Luckham: not a paragraph, Peter. It's a sentence.

[1:53:42] Voice 7: Okay. See,

[1:53:44] Trustee Luckham: delete the first sentence. Yeah.

[1:53:49] Trustee Luckham: You okay with that? Yeah. Perfect.

[1:53:54] Trustee Luckham: So let's go to D then. Heather, I'll let you drive that.

[1:53:59] Voice 9: All right. I'm going to, I have another

[1:54:00] Voice 9: other laptop that I'm going to refer to for. So

[1:54:05] Voice 9: let me get to that and then I'll be able to

[1:54:08] Voice 9: I'll be able to not have to scroll so much.

[1:54:12] Trustee Luckham: Oh, yeah. So actually, this is easy because it's on

[1:54:15] Trustee Luckham: the same screen. Yeah. We're deleting the and we're adding Laskiti. So that's right.

[1:54:20] Trustee Luckham: The island. So, Peter, you're OK with that? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Perfect. OK. I'm just ticking

[1:54:26] Trustee Luckham: these off. So then Heather, if I'm talking too much, you just tell me. Okay. So E is part three,

[1:54:33] Trustee Luckham: section 3.1. Right.

[1:54:38] Voice 9: So let me see if I can not

[1:54:40] Trustee Luckham: scroll so much. Oh, you scroll. That's fine.

[1:54:43] Trustee Luckham: All right.

[1:54:45] Trustee Luckham: Oh, here we go. So delete the word and after nature reserves. There you go. So that's

[1:54:55] Trustee Luckham: pretty easy. And add the words marine protected areas. So that's easy. You okay with that, Peter?

[1:55:00] Trustee Luckham: yes and Tim you'll jump I know you already said you were happy with them all so if you are

[1:55:06] Trustee Luckham: protesting in any way shape or form I'll expect you to speak up so let's go to F which is 3.1

[1:55:14] Trustee Luckham: environmental stewardship section add the word storage I've got

[1:55:19] Trustee Luckham: no problem with

[1:55:20] Trustee Luckham: that perfect

[1:55:22] Trustee Luckham: we're rocking here now so F let's go to G section 3.1 subsection conservation objectives

[1:55:29] Trustee Luckham: Yeah. No problem. No problem. Perfect. I'm liking this now. Sorry. H, part three,

[1:55:39] Trustee Luckham: subsection natural resources, advocacy policy, delete the text in its entirety,

[1:55:44] Trustee Luckham: and replace with. You still with us there, Heather? Yeah. Great. You okay with that, Peter?

[1:55:51] Trustee Luckham: Peter? Yeah. Excellent. So section I now part three, 3.2, subsection recreational resources,

[1:56:01] Trustee Luckham: deleting the words trail and parks, replacing the trails parks. I'm okay with that.

[1:56:07] Trustee Luckham: J is official community plan, subsection economy, delete policy two.

[1:56:14] Voice 7: Okay, I don't know what policy

[1:56:16] Voice 7: 2 used to say. Oh, well, it's there. I hope. Okay. Well, no, it's not there. Oh, it's there

[1:56:25] Voice 7: in the track changes.

[1:56:27] Trustee Luckham: Yeah. There you go. Policy. Sorry. So that is under subsection

[1:56:37] Trustee Luckham: recreational. Oh, sorry. This is under subsection economy, economy policy. So keep going.

[1:56:49] Trustee Luckham: going?

[1:56:50] Voice 9: Oh, okay.

[1:56:54] Trustee Luckham: Oh, you must.

[1:56:56] Voice 9: Tell me again, which,

[1:56:59] Trustee Luckham: which bullet we're on? 3.3. So community

[1:57:03] Trustee Luckham: stewardship. Okay. Subsection economy. I think I'm okay. I think I don't. Oh, is that it? No,

[1:57:18] Voice 9: no. I think we're, I think it's farther down here. Yeah.

[1:57:24] Voice 9: Okay. Oh, okay. I think we're getting

[1:57:31] Voice 9: and closer. Community stewardship. Should

[1:57:33] Trustee Luckham: be on the next page. Oh, no. Housing,

[1:57:39] Trustee Luckham: food, food.

[1:57:41] Trustee Luckham: Policy one. So next page. There you go. So that's policy two. You see that, Peter?

[1:57:50] Voice 7: Yeah, that's in recognition.

[1:57:53] Trustee Luckham: Yeah. Okay.

[1:57:55] Voice 7: Yeah. Yeah.

[1:57:56] Trustee Luckham: Okay. All right. Good. So K

[1:57:59] Trustee Luckham: K is now further down in 3.5 and yeah there's a we're adding a new subsection called land base

[1:58:13] Trustee Luckham: yep

[1:58:13] Voice 7: that's fine I'm fine with that okay

[1:58:16] Trustee Luckham: good so uh so under now we're at I this is a little bit

[1:58:22] Trustee Luckham: more complex but under subsection commercial and industrial yeah

[1:58:28] Voice 7: uh

[1:58:29] Trustee Luckham: we've got um inserting

[1:58:33] Trustee Luckham: inserting three new policies, 5, 6, 7, and 8, as follows. Are you okay with that?

[1:58:41] Voice 7: That's four new policies.

[1:58:43] Trustee Luckham: 5, 6,

[1:58:44] Voice 7: 7. That's three. On these, I do have a bit of a problem. And just

[1:58:51] Voice 7: for background, years ago, the local trust committee, it was when money, John Money was

[1:59:01] Voice 7: was our local chair, our executive member chair,

[1:59:05] Voice 7: wanted to do this and I think the request

[1:59:09] Voice 7: was actually sent to the Agricultural Land Commission

[1:59:11] Voice 7: and they said, no, we're not going to do that.

[1:59:15] Voice 7: And for history, when the ALC first came in,

[1:59:21] Voice 7: the regional director at the time

[1:59:23] Voice 7: and one of our local trustees went around

[1:59:28] Voice 7: to all the people whose land was proposed to be in the agricultural land reserve and they were

[1:59:34] Voice 7: the mission was to ground truth it and what they did was ask the owners who lived here do you want

[1:59:42] Voice 7: your land in this land reserve and many of them said no and they were taken out and as a consequence

[1:59:49] Voice 7: of that much of the land it never did get ground truth it was done from aerial photographs based

[1:59:56] Voice 7: on vegetation and lack of rock, I think.

[2:00:00] Voice 7: in the photographs. And the agricultural land in the ALR doesn't correspond to the best

[2:00:07] Voice 7: agricultural land on the island. John Money suggested the way to do that was to,

[2:00:13] Voice 7: for the local trust committee to develop its own maps of agricultural land. He said, it's very

[2:00:18] Voice 7: simple. You've put on the map where the old homesteads were because they were all on the

[2:00:23] Voice 7: best agricultural land but we never did do that now i we can ask again that they do that i'm not

[2:00:31] Voice 7: sure that the best place to ask them is in the uh official community plan i suspect they won't do it

[2:00:38] Voice 7: luskete island is a backwater in the food production system in bc but it is alr land and

[2:00:47] Voice 7: they guard it pretty jealously and tightly. I don't oppose Advocacy Policy 5, but I think we'd

[2:01:00] Voice 7: be better off just writing them a letter asking them to do this than putting it in our plan like

[2:01:06] Voice 7: this.

[2:01:10] Trustee Luckham: I'll just chime in for a second and I'll let Heather comment on let's just address Policy

[2:01:15] Trustee Luckham: policy number five. The world has changed an incredible amount and so has the ALC since John

[2:01:22] Trustee Luckham: Money was a trustee, which is an executive committee member nonetheless. That was a very

[2:01:29] Trustee Luckham: long time ago and things are very different. And you will recall actually is that I think it was

[2:01:35] Trustee Luckham: the ALC in collaboration with the regional district did that project just recently in

[2:01:41] Trustee Luckham: in looking at agricultural uses on the island.

[2:01:44] Trustee Luckham: And I don't recall the details of that,

[2:01:46] Trustee Luckham: but this was probably the best recommended language

[2:01:50] Trustee Luckham: available to us at this time.

[2:01:52] Trustee Luckham: And of course the LTC can advocate to the ALC to do that

[2:01:56] Trustee Luckham: outside of the context of this project.

[2:01:58] Trustee Luckham: Let's just Heather's remark on policy number five

[2:02:01] Trustee Luckham: with respect to what you said about whether or not

[2:02:03] Trustee Luckham: we need to do that here or not.

[2:02:06] Voice 8: I

[2:02:07] Voice 9: mean, you don't have to do that,

[2:02:09] Voice 9: but the structure of your document is such

[2:02:11] Voice 9: that you have advocacy policies. And the whole purpose of an advocacy policy is to state what

[2:02:19] Voice 9: you would like to see other agencies do. So it fits within the structure of the document that

[2:02:26] Voice 9: you have right now, and it doesn't hurt.

[2:02:29] Trustee Luckham: Okay. Thank you. So Peter,

[2:02:32] Trustee Luckham: are you content to leave that at this time?

[2:02:35] Voice 7: Yeah, if both of you think it's good to have

[2:02:38] Voice 7: it in there or will we also write to them and ask them to do that or tell them we're putting this in

[2:02:44] Trustee Luckham: they will be a referral agency on the ocp when it goes out so they'll definitely get a chance

[2:02:49] Trustee Luckham: to comment okay

[2:02:50] Voice 7: and

[2:02:51] Trustee Luckham: there's no doubt if they don't read the other 20 pages of the document

[2:02:55] Trustee Luckham: they'll read these two yeah okay so policy number six were you okay with that

[2:03:01] Voice 7: yep and seven and

[2:03:03] Trustee Luckham: m7 you're okay perfect this is excellent thank you peter um so m part three a section 3.5

[2:03:12] Trustee Luckham: uh there that subsection commercial and industrial policies delete policy 18 in its entirety

[2:03:19] Trustee Luckham: temporary

[2:03:45] Voice 7: there

[2:03:47] Trustee Luckham: you go oh and

[2:03:49] Voice 7: then it's the number

[2:03:49] Trustee Luckham: yeah go ahead peter yeah no i'm

[2:03:54] Voice 7: fine with that

[2:03:54] Voice 7: okay

[2:03:55] Trustee Luckham: thank you and so now uh part uh n part three uh subsection related language directly after

[2:04:06] Trustee Luckham: subsection hazardous conditions policy two as follows so that's um inserting those two sections

[2:04:15] Trustee Luckham: in there are you okay with that yes excellent thank you so now we're at o uh land use

[2:04:25] Trustee Luckham: designation map is deleted in its entirety and replaced by Schedule B. Are you okay with that?

[2:04:33] Voice 7: Yeah. Yeah, that incorporates the parks and protected areas.

[2:04:40] Trustee Luckham: Excellent. Now, okay, so let's just pause for a moment. You know, I'm a stickler normally for

[2:04:47] Trustee Luckham: reading out motions. We would be here a very long time if somebody had to read that. And so I am

[2:04:54] Trustee Luckham: prepared to accept the motion that uh and i want to do this in this way that the official the

[2:05:03] Trustee Luckham: liskiti maybe i'll just make the motion effect

[2:05:06] Voice 8: okay with everybody

[2:05:07] Trustee Luckham: that uh because i'm the one

[2:05:09] Trustee Luckham: that would be asking you to read the whole thing the liskiti island local trust committee amend

[2:05:13] Trustee Luckham: bylaw number 98 cited as liskiti island official community plan 2020 as presented in the staff

[2:05:20] Trustee Luckham: staff report of June 21st. Is that okay, Heather? Yes. Okay.

[2:05:30] Voice 9: As we need that a little bit more there just to say, items A through O, I think.

[2:05:37] Trustee Luckham: Okay, items A through O, as presented in the June 21st staff report. Thank you for that, Heather.

[2:05:46] Trustee Luckham: Do anybody want to second that?

[2:05:51] Voice 7: I'll second that. Sorry. Yeah. So it's

[2:05:53] Voice 7: It's basically recommendation two.

[2:05:56] Voice 7: That's correct.

[2:05:57] Voice 7: Yeah, I'll second that.

[2:05:59] Voice 7: Okay, so then any further discussion

[2:06:02] Trustee Luckham: or anybody wish to speak to it?

[2:06:06] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so I'll just one recognize

[2:06:08] Trustee Luckham: this is a substantial amount of work.

[2:06:10] Voice 7: Yeah.

[2:06:11] Trustee Luckham: And really appreciate what you and your community

[2:06:14] Trustee Luckham: and staff have done to get us this far.

[2:06:17] Trustee Luckham: So I'm just gonna then call for the motion,

[2:06:20] Trustee Luckham: call the question on that motion

[2:06:22] Trustee Luckham: motion and then we'll go to items three four uh following that so all those in favor aye

[2:06:29] Voice 8: any

[2:06:30] Trustee Luckham: opposed none opposed so that carries so now then if you don't mind i'll continue to manage this

[2:06:38] Trustee Luckham: the way i have been is we have another recommendation here at three which is the

[2:06:43] Trustee Luckham: trust committee uh i'll be read a second time but obviously now we want to pause and we want to go

[2:06:50] Trustee Luckham: to questions because I think, Heather, correct me, that fixes all four of the items that you

[2:06:58] Trustee Luckham: raised when you introduced the report.

[2:07:00] Voice 8: Now we

[2:07:01] Trustee Luckham: want to go to Trustee Johnson who wants to raise

[2:07:05] Trustee Luckham: the questions that came up of which there was not clear wording or decisions made with respect to

[2:07:11] Trustee Luckham: other items that the public has brought to our attention and that the LCA chose to pass on to us.

[2:07:21] Trustee Luckham: so trustee johnson i'm hoping you've got something of a list there and uh why don't you start us off

[2:07:26] Trustee Luckham: with the first one and we'll see uh

[2:07:31] Voice 7: okay i'm looking at the agenda package for april 26th

[2:07:41] Voice 7: meeting yeah and the summary of public comments is begins on page 109 okay

[2:07:54] Trustee Luckham: i'm just going to see

[2:07:55] Trustee Luckham: if I can't pull that up.

[2:08:00] Voice 7: And that April

[2:08:14] Trustee Luckham: the 26. Yeah, that was in the that was in the revised

[2:08:19] Trustee Luckham: package.

[2:08:20] Voice 7: No, it was in the original package.

[2:08:23] Trustee Luckham: Actually, well, the revised would have it

[2:08:26] Trustee Luckham: regular meeting package.

[2:08:27] Voice 7: Oh, I see.

[2:08:29] Trustee Luckham: And there

[2:08:31] Voice 7: was an agenda. There was an addendum. Yeah,

[2:08:33] Trustee Luckham: but it's not in the addendum. It's in the No, it's in

[2:08:36] Trustee Luckham: the Yeah. Okay, so what page was that,

[2:08:39] Trustee Luckham: sir

[2:08:39] Voice 7: 109 thank

[2:08:42] Trustee Luckham: you okay public comments it's a big table says number three

[2:08:49] Voice 7: are you

[2:08:50] Trustee Luckham: with us Tim yes

[2:08:58] Voice 6: yeah thank you chair I'm just digging up that document right now just pulled it out of my

[2:09:03] Trustee Luckham: recycling,

[2:09:04] Voice 6: but I'm having a look.

[2:09:07] Trustee Luckham: So number three, Trustee Johnson, Auerbach, go ahead.

[2:09:13] Voice 7: She'd like to see an overarching statement that the Liskitty Trust Committee would use

[2:09:18] Voice 7: the precautionary principle when making land use decisions. Brilliant idea. And there is

[2:09:24] Voice 7: an approach on page 38, but does it do this? And my understanding is the LCA committee

[2:09:33] Voice 7: is also is still working on a vision statement which will come someday but i don't know that

[2:09:39] Voice 7: for sure right

[2:09:41] Trustee Luckham: so are you saying that this is on page 38 of the proposed document i think

[2:09:47] Voice 7: i think it's on page 38 of this agenda but i don't know that that's just my note

[2:09:56] Trustee Luckham: okay

[2:09:59] Trustee Luckham: uh well we could look at page

[2:10:01] Voice 6: 38 page 38 of this agenda is is right in the middle of the

[2:10:04] Voice 6: the antenna thing, of

[2:10:08] Voice 7: the April 26th agenda.

[2:10:10] Trustee Luckham: Oh, I see.

[2:10:14] Trustee Luckham: The language around it is in that section?

[2:10:21] Trustee Luckham: Okay, page 38.

[2:10:25] Trustee Luckham: I'm gonna go back to there.

[2:10:26] Voice 7: It might be in the goals of the approach.

[2:10:30] Trustee Luckham: I see, so I do see it there.

[2:10:38] Voice 7: Of course, I don't know if this has been changed.

[2:10:41] Voice 7: I don't think it has, but I don't know that.

[2:10:43] Trustee Luckham: Well, let's ask Heather, because I think she probably knows this front to back, don't you,

[2:10:47] Trustee Luckham: Heather?

[2:10:47] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[2:10:48] Trustee Luckham: No,

[2:10:48] Voice 9: there weren't any changes made based on that comment.

[2:10:52] Voice 9: So if you believe it should be addressed in some way, I would look to you to make a motion

[2:11:00] Voice 9: to add specific language to a specific section of the OCP to address it.

[2:11:06] Voice 9: But

[2:11:07] Voice 7: I don't want to make a motion unless I have a sense that the other two trustees agree that

[2:11:12] Voice 7: this would be a good thing to do.

[2:11:14] Trustee Luckham: I agree. If you have some specific language.

[2:11:18] Trustee Luckham: Go ahead. Yeah.

[2:11:21] Voice 6: I would say that inserting the language about using the precautionary principle in the approach

[2:11:30] Voice 6: section, I think would be the appropriate area for that. And I'd be supportive of a motion.

[2:11:36] Voice 6: have we

[2:11:43] Trustee Luckham: oh so you've just paused yourself there so um so uh trustee johnson do you have a

[2:11:50] Trustee Luckham: sentence that you would like to add to the approach section of the uh on page

[2:11:57] Trustee Luckham: you know obviously we're on a different version now is that the um anyway on the approach section

[2:12:06] Trustee Luckham: in the introduction, I guess is where that is.

[2:12:13] Voice 7: Yeah, I would move that we add the words

[2:12:20] Voice 7: that the LTC will use a precautionary principle

[2:12:24] Voice 7: when making land use decisions.

[2:12:27] Trustee Luckham: Okay, and

[2:12:28] Voice 7: why would you

[2:12:28] Trustee Luckham: like that placed

[2:12:29] Trustee Luckham: at the end

[2:12:30] Voice 7: of the paragraph?

[2:12:31] Voice 7: Yeah.

[2:12:33] Trustee Luckham: All right, so then you're moving then

[2:12:36] Trustee Luckham: that the local trust committee amend the approach section of the introduction by adding the sentence

[2:12:45] Trustee Luckham: and can you say that again that

[2:12:47] Voice 7: the LTC will will use the precautionary principle when making land

[2:12:52] Voice 7: use decisions all

[2:12:54] Trustee Luckham: right um you know issues with that Heather in terms of placement no okay thank

[2:13:00] Trustee Luckham: Thank you. And so, Trustee Peterson, do you want to second that?

[2:13:05] Voice 6: Second that.

[2:13:06] Trustee Luckham: And Dave, did you manage to capture that?

[2:13:12] Voice 8: Yes. Thank you.

[2:13:13] Trustee Luckham: Awesome. Okay. Any further discussion?

[2:13:16] Trustee Luckham: So I'll ask the question. All those in favor?

[2:13:21] Voice 7: In favor?

[2:13:22] Trustee Luckham: Aye.

[2:13:24] Trustee Luckham: So let's go back to that table now on 109.

[2:13:28] Trustee Luckham: And that's a good approach, Peter.

[2:13:31] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[2:13:32] Trustee Luckham: What other item do you have?

[2:13:33] Trustee Luckham: next

[2:13:33] Voice 7: one is uh oh dear sorry it's it's page 112 and i can't tell whose it is oh it's joseph fall

[2:13:48] Voice 7: it's the second one community services yes

[2:13:52] Trustee Luckham: general

[2:13:53] Voice 7: transportation objective number six to support

[2:13:55] Voice 7: electric vehicle charging stations uh and i can't remember what his proposal oh i my comment on this

[2:14:12] Voice 7: is that, you know, it takes a huge amount of electricity to charge an electric vehicle,

[2:14:19] Voice 7: especially unless it's a bicycle. And I don't think it's practical. And I would like to address

[2:14:25] Voice 7: this by saying, we should advocate for active transportation, along with strategies to reduce

[2:14:35] Voice 7: vehicle trips, motor vehicle trips.

[2:14:43] Trustee Luckham: Well, that's fair enough. But you know,

[2:14:45] Trustee Luckham: I charge my car with solar panels, Peter, on occasion. It's not unfeasible.

[2:14:54] Trustee Luckham: Does

[2:14:57] Voice 7: it work in the wintertime?

[2:15:01] Trustee Luckham: When it's sunny, yeah. Same as any solar panel.

[2:15:07] Voice 8: And

[2:15:08] Trustee Luckham: wind power, of course, is also an option. But I'm happy to modify this anyway. Well,

[2:15:14] Trustee Luckham: Well, these are comments that are not included, right?

[2:15:17] Trustee Luckham: Right.

[2:15:18] Trustee Luckham: And so if you have some language

[2:15:20] Trustee Luckham: that you want to add to general transportation,

[2:15:22] Trustee Luckham: certainly active transportation

[2:15:23] Trustee Luckham: is the thing to consider adding.

[2:15:28] Trustee Luckham: And so if we went to that section of the bylaw,

[2:15:32] Trustee Luckham: 3.4 community services, general transportation objectives,

[2:15:36] Trustee Luckham: if you have a sentence or a motion

[2:15:38] Trustee Luckham: that you'd like to make.

[2:15:39] Trustee Luckham: I

[2:15:40] Voice 7: would suggest that we advocate for active transportation, and along with that, develop strategies to reduce fossil-fueled vehicle trips, the number of them.

[2:15:56] Voice 7: Yeah,

[2:16:01] Trustee Luckham: I guess the question becomes is whether or not that is essential is suitable for the inclusion in an official community plan.

[2:16:13] Trustee Luckham: I don't really know that. Heather, do you have any remarks on amendments to that section with respect to our jurisdiction?

[2:16:23] Voice 9: I guess. Well, first of all, I need some clarity on where we're at.

[2:16:28] Voice 9: so where where would this policy go and initially my thought is when you're when you're adding

[2:16:38] Voice 9: something like this on the fly i feel like i have to go back and look at the other policy

[2:16:43] Voice 9: because there might be existing policies that already address this right um

[2:16:47] Voice 9: and but i don't

[2:16:48] Voice 9: know so this might be repetitive from something we already have um so i'd have to be able to look

[2:16:54] Voice 9: at it in context. But at the very least, I really kind of need to know which which section

[2:17:00] Voice 9: we're talking about. And if you have a reference for me to so we can, so we can look at the

[2:17:07] Voice 9: where it's at, where it's

[2:17:09] Voice 7: section of 3.4 community services, general transportation objectives

[2:17:16] Voice 7: And it says to support electric vehicle charging stations.

[2:17:23] Trustee Luckham: Policies.

[2:17:26] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[2:17:26] Trustee Luckham: All right.

[2:17:28] Trustee Luckham: Sorry.

[2:17:28] Trustee Luckham: And so that's in the.

[2:17:32] Trustee Luckham: Mended.

[2:17:33] Trustee Luckham: Section. Do we have a page number for that in the new version?

[2:17:38] Voice 9: I have a 1 0 4.

[2:17:42] Voice 9: 1 0 4.

[2:17:44] Voice 9: I think 1 0 4.

[2:17:48] Trustee Luckham: You are correct.

[2:17:50] Trustee Luckham: Objective 6.

[2:17:51] Trustee Luckham: six to support electric vehicle charging stations sorry

[2:17:58] Voice 9: and

[2:17:59] Trustee Luckham: you know i'll actually just toss in

[2:18:01] Trustee Luckham: another little technical note because you know i'm the techie guy if you have a generator running

[2:18:07] Trustee Luckham: somewhere um that isn't using its full demand load capacity if you had the ability to charge

[2:18:15] Trustee Luckham: a car that was sitting there at the same time it would actually make for a greater efficiency of

[2:18:21] Trustee Luckham: of the electricity being created.

[2:18:25] Trustee Luckham: So those are some other thoughts for you to consider.

[2:18:30] Voice 9: Yeah, I mean, I'm seeing to increase human powered transport

[2:18:36] Voice 9: including bicycling and walkling, objective five.

[2:18:42] Voice 9: Policy three down here talks about alternative forms

[2:18:44] Voice 9: of transportation.

[2:18:46] Trustee Luckham: Right, so Peter, in context of the question

[2:18:51] Trustee Luckham: that regional planning manager Kaur has asked,

[2:18:55] Trustee Luckham: Is there potential for you to want to amend objective five that says something slightly

[2:19:01] Trustee Luckham: different or changing or adding wording to policy?

[2:19:05] Trustee Luckham: Which one was it, Heather?

[2:19:08] Voice 9: Policy three down here talks about alternative forms of transportation.

[2:19:13] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, right.

[2:19:16] Trustee Luckham: So I'm okay

[2:19:20] Voice 7: with leaving this, you know, just I just want us to have considered this as

[2:19:24] Voice 7: yesterday.

[2:19:24] Voice 7: Okay. So

[2:19:25] Trustee Luckham: I think maybe we want to leave it the way it is. Yeah, it doesn't hurt any.

[2:19:32] Trustee Luckham: Let's go back to your 1.0. Let's go back to your table then.

[2:19:38] Voice 7: It's the next square down, Section 3.5, Land Use, Residential Land Use, Objective 4,

[2:19:44] Voice 7: to encourage the establishment of owner-operated, small-scale, low-intensity home enterprises

[2:19:49] Voice 7: that prioritizes having minimal impacts

[2:19:53] Voice 7: on neighborhood shared infrastructure environment.

[2:19:56] Voice 7: Pretty much that's in there, I think, isn't it?

[2:19:59] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[2:20:00] Voice 7: And this is really something,

[2:20:02] Voice 7: I mean, it's a general statement for the OCP

[2:20:05] Voice 7: and will be developed in the land use bylaw.

[2:20:09] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, agreed.

[2:20:12] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:20:13] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Peterson?

[2:20:15] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so we've reflected on that and no changes?

[2:20:19] Voice 7: Yeah.

[2:20:19] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[2:20:20] Trustee Luckham: Keep going then.

[2:20:22] Voice 7: It's page 113, which are the changes suggested by Chris Ferris.

[2:20:31] Voice 7: I think policy 9 and 10 define significant source of water. I notice it says significant source,

[2:20:41] Voice 7: and I don't know what the word means. I don't know what the other two are.

[2:20:53] Voice 7: the page 20 economy policies policy to suggest deleting she suggests deleting

[2:21:00] Voice 7: and she thinks that page 23 policy one is out of date and I think they the the stuff

[2:21:12] Voice 7: or the language around that the dump is gone isn't it Heather it

[2:21:18] Voice 9: is okay so

[2:21:20] Voice 9: let me just find

[2:21:21] Voice 9: the section that we're talking about here I mean maybe we'll just start with that do you

[2:21:25] Voice 9: Do you want to make any recommended changes?

[2:21:27] Voice 9: No, I don't.

[2:21:29] Voice 7: I just wonder.

[2:21:31] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[2:21:31] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, I think that it looks to me like that's been corrected or certainly considered.

[2:21:38] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:21:41] Trustee Luckham: So what's the next one?

[2:21:43] Voice 7: Page.

[2:21:44] Voice 7: Oh, they're always at the top of the page.

[2:21:46] Voice 7: I have to go to the page before to find out who they were.

[2:21:50] Voice 7: Oh, these I think are Chris Ferris' too.

[2:21:54] Trustee Luckham: What page are you on?

[2:21:59] Voice 7: 115. page 30. i think it would be a good idea to have something in this section about encouraging

[2:22:08] Voice 7: the alc to recognize the appropriate scale of agriculture on the islands differs is that in

[2:22:14] Voice 7: there it is you know

[2:22:16] Voice 9: the the so the new language that you all uh just amended yeah was based on

[2:22:21] Voice 9: chris ferris's comments and so um after after these comments were provided there were more

[2:22:28] Voice 9: specific and those were actually inserted into the document that you are seeing now.

[2:22:35] Voice 7: So this

[2:22:36] Voice 9: has been addressed now. Okay, thank you.

[2:22:40] Voice 7: So they're all in there, thank you. Page, I don't know what page it is.

[2:22:52] Voice 7: 116 Sheila Harrington, please make as strong as possible the OCB bylaws to protect shorelines

[2:22:59] Voice 7: on marine areas to private docks unless they're for property with no road access.

[2:23:06] Voice 7: And the issue that I would like to raise and I think put in the OCP is to discourage clearing

[2:23:14] Voice 7: to the shoreline, to encourage people to maintain natural native vegetation and then

[2:23:25] Voice 7: and upland to the shore.

[2:23:31] Trustee Luckham: Sure, so where would you put that

[2:23:33] Trustee Luckham: if it was inadequate already?

[2:23:37] Voice 7: I don't know, I haven't looked.

[2:23:40] Trustee Luckham: Because of course, development hinges

[2:23:43] Trustee Luckham: on almost development permit areas.

[2:23:46] Voice 7: Well, we don't have any and we're not likely to get any,

[2:23:48] Voice 7: but it could be a general statement in the OCP.

[2:23:57] Voice 8: Yeah, so

[2:23:58] Trustee Luckham: that might come in the introduction

[2:24:01] Trustee Luckham: then somehow. Heather, did you have any thoughts there?

[2:24:04] Voice 9: Yeah, it's another thing where I'd have to

[2:24:06] Voice 9: look through the bylaw right now to see if there's already policies that address this.

[2:24:12] Voice 9: There

[2:24:12] Trustee Luckham: might be. Yeah. So let me ask a leading question then. You know, it doesn't seem to me

[2:24:18] Trustee Luckham: that a general encouragement statement would change use or density or would be changing the

[2:24:26] Trustee Luckham: intent of the bylaw this is something that could be considered being added even later on okay yeah

[2:24:33] Trustee Luckham: trustee peterson uh

[2:24:35] Voice 6: yeah in the in the policy here uh the draft that we're uh considering

[2:24:41] Voice 6: policy number one in marine coastal policies native flora and fauna should be retained

[2:24:45] Voice 6: affect natural habitats of local significance page 43 of the agenda package um policy two

[2:24:54] Voice 6: Two, marine environment should adequately be protected from unreasonable adverse effects or inadequate mitigation measures resulting from development.

[2:25:05] Voice 6: So I kind of feel like these things and then policy four, designation regulation of the forest shore and marine coastal areas should be designed to preserve and protect the natural environment of character.

[2:25:17] Voice 6: and then goes into some depths about mariculture and public access. I kind of feel like this has

[2:25:25] Voice 6: been addressed.

[2:25:27] Trustee Luckham: I would agree with you there. And it's interesting, I just would characterize that

[2:25:32] Trustee Luckham: Ms. Harrington's request is about making as strong a possible the OCP and bylaws to protect

[2:25:38] Trustee Luckham: shorelines and marine areas. The strength is in creating development permit areas within

[2:25:44] Trustee Luckham: within the work that we're doing here.

[2:25:46] Trustee Luckham: And so I think I agree with as strong as possible

[2:25:51] Trustee Luckham: at this time in the OCP is along the lines

[2:25:54] Trustee Luckham: of what Trustee Peterson has said,

[2:25:56] Trustee Luckham: that those elements are captured.

[2:25:58] Trustee Luckham: If you wanna go to the next step,

[2:26:00] Trustee Luckham: then indeed it's about creating development permit areas

[2:26:03] Trustee Luckham: and that will be an independent project.

[2:26:06] Trustee Luckham: Yep.

[2:26:08] Trustee Luckham: So shall we move on from this one then?

[2:26:10] Trustee Luckham: No change? Yes.

[2:26:11] Trustee Luckham: Okay, perfect.

[2:26:12] Voice 7: Okay, those are the only ones,

[2:26:14] Voice 7: that's all actually there's one from the slicks about uh towers which we've just addressed

[2:26:21] Voice 7: and there's another one about uh invasive species right uh the the main the main question that i

[2:26:29] Voice 7: think we need to resolve is what do we say about sheep i

[2:26:34] Trustee Luckham: was wondering if we were going to get to

[2:26:36] Trustee Luckham: that and so let me just before we go to sheep um does that answer all of the other questions that

[2:26:43] Trustee Luckham: that were raised at this point?

[2:26:47] Voice 7: I believe so.

[2:26:49] Trustee Luckham: And Tim, outside of sheep,

[2:26:51] Trustee Luckham: do you have anything that was raised by the public

[2:26:54] Trustee Luckham: that hasn't been addressed in the OCP amendments

[2:26:56] Trustee Luckham: that we've seen for the proposed second reading?

[2:27:02] Voice 6: I don't have anything flagged from that, no.

[2:27:06] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so now then let's bounce back.

[2:27:09] Trustee Luckham: And Peter, what do you want to do about sheep?

[2:27:12] Voice 7: I actually would rather go back

[2:27:15] Voice 7: to the original recommendation that say this is an issue on which we don't agree and it's an issue

[2:27:21] Voice 7: over which we have no control no power that the community has not yet reached agreement and

[2:27:28] Voice 7: I

[2:27:31] Trustee Luckham: agree with you and and and so I don't know that we are going to resolve that here at second

[2:27:39] Trustee Luckham: reading and will I think obviously become an ongoing project trustee Peterson over to you

[2:27:44] Trustee Luckham: uh

[2:27:46] Voice 6: yeah i i i read in this draft i saw no mention of the word sheep in this draft

[2:27:52] Voice 6: and uh and um at this time i'm content with no mention okay so

[2:28:06] Voice 7: can can i move that we

[2:28:08] Voice 7: uh ask heather to include a statement that the community has it does not agree about

[2:28:17] Voice 7: what to do with sheep or should we just leave it out i

[2:28:22] Voice 6: i prefer to just leave it as it is and if

[2:28:25] Voice 6: there is a strong um community desire for us to come back and address uh the s word specifically

[2:28:36] Voice 6: in the ocp then we can do that um but i kind of feel like this is a to me it feels like a good

[2:28:44] Voice 6: middle way between um you know two strongly opposing points of view that we've heard uh from

[2:28:51] Voice 6: and so i'm i'm content to leave it as it is and and if yeah until we hear otherwise that that

[2:28:59] Voice 6: there's a strong will to change it and so

[2:29:02] Voice 7: leave it as as it is in the draft that we have in front

[2:29:06] Voice 7: of us now in today's agenda package yeah

[2:29:10] Trustee Luckham: correct which which leaves the status quo essentially

[2:29:14] Trustee Luckham: Yeah,

[2:29:15] Voice 7: but not leaves it as it is, as it was in the previous one with them being heritage sheep.

[2:29:23] Voice 7: Right. Yeah.

[2:29:26] Voice 7: I can't remember where it is. It's towards the end. There's one that seems fairly clearly to me to be directed towards the S-H-E-E-P, but it doesn't use that word. Is it exotic species or something like that?

[2:29:41] Voice 7: but i i i that we can i'm happy to leave it like that yeah

[2:29:48] Trustee Luckham: uh i don't know i think of peacock as

[2:29:51] Trustee Luckham: exotic species or dalmatians for that matter um so yeah so my brave

[2:30:00] Trustee Luckham: colleagues. You know, I'm thinking that we've gone through the recommendations from staff. We've

[2:30:05] Trustee Luckham: gone through the list of things that we had some questions about. And I think that you may be ready

[2:30:11] Trustee Luckham: to give second reading as amended, if one of you wants to make that motion.

[2:30:15] Voice 7: Actually, I'm not.

[2:30:18] Voice 7: I'm not. I don't feel ready. What I would like to do is if I could briefly go back

[2:30:28] Voice 7: through through the draft of the OCP and and I have some comments about things in there I said

[2:30:42] Voice 7: it I thought it was too long but just through section 3 or part 3 okay

[2:30:49] Trustee Luckham: well let you take us

[2:30:51] Trustee Luckham: to where you want to go where you perceive there may be some amendments necessary although 22 pages

[2:30:59] Trustee Luckham: is um if you're concerned about l'esquite island isn't a lot of reading like well i'll turn it to

[2:31:06] Trustee Luckham: you go ahead yeah

[2:31:06] Voice 7: okay i'm sorry i'm having to go on my ipad to part three that's

[2:31:15] Trustee Luckham: fine just take

[2:31:16] Trustee Luckham: page number yeah and ideally of the current document yep

[2:31:24] Voice 7: is one of the things that we

[2:31:26] Voice 7: one of the things that i read in the plan that it has alternates in voice sometimes it says

[2:31:33] Voice 7: it says the Leskete Trust Committee

[2:31:36] Voice 7: and sometimes it says the community

[2:31:39] Voice 7: and the plan is a official community plan

[2:31:43] Voice 7: supported by the community and instituted

[2:31:46] Voice 7: or passed by the local trust committee.

[2:31:49] Voice 7: And I feel like it should sometimes bring the community

[2:31:53] Voice 7: in a bit more than it does.

[2:31:55] Voice 7: I'd like to, I don't know if that really makes a difference

[2:32:00] Voice 7: but it seems important.

[2:32:03] Trustee Luckham: Well, at the introduction, I think it does reflect on it being a community plan.

[2:32:08] Trustee Luckham: And you're right.

[2:32:09] Trustee Luckham: So if you want to emphasize that language, I suppose we could.

[2:32:13] Trustee Luckham: But take us to a section where you're thinking about some amendment.

[2:32:20] Voice 7: Well, I am having, I can't do that, I'm afraid.

[2:32:28] Voice 7: I can't, my comments on the paper will not open.

[2:32:37] Voice 7: Oh,

[2:32:38] Trustee Luckham: that's a drag.

[2:32:40] Voice 7: Well.

[2:32:43] Trustee Luckham: That's on the iPad.

[2:32:45] Voice 7: Yes.

[2:32:45] Voice 7: and that's where i hope what one of the suggestions i have like on on page uh 90 it's uh the past

[2:32:54] Voice 7: trustees and i think that you know it's nice to preserve that it's on the website now this takes

[2:33:01] Voice 7: up an awful lot of room i would at least move the two the list into two uh um two columns

[2:33:09] Voice 7: but i mean that's a very minor point yeah

[2:33:14] Trustee Luckham: people that don't want to read that are just gonna

[2:33:15] Trustee Luckham: of yeah yeah yeah and of course the chairs are not recognized in any of these but

[2:33:22] Voice 7: that's true

[2:33:24] Voice 7: and

[2:33:25] Trustee Luckham: we are trustees that's

[2:33:27] Voice 7: true yeah we should we should change that we should add them

[2:33:31] Trustee Luckham: oh i don't

[2:33:32] Trustee Luckham: want to make it longer

[2:33:32] Voice 7: okay okay i'm i'm i'm unable to access my stuff so i'll just let it go

[2:33:41] Trustee Luckham: Okay. So does that therefore mean that you're comfortable to go to second reading at this time?

[2:33:49] Voice 7: Okay. The advantage of doing second reading?

[2:33:53] Trustee Luckham: So that we can advance it to public hearing

[2:33:56] Trustee Luckham: and hear what the community thinks. Is that correct, Heather?

[2:34:05] Voice 9: And again, you can do another referral. It sounds like the trust,

[2:34:09] Voice 9: you might be contemplating that. We can do it a number of different ways. We can have

[2:34:15] Voice 9: a community information meeting that's separate from the public hearing we could do a number of

[2:34:20] Voice 9: different things but second reading would allow us to have a draft that people can refer to yeah and

[2:34:27] Trustee Luckham: that we could subsequently do a community information meeting if you want and then and

[2:34:32] Trustee Luckham: prior to public hearing um but each one of those elements is a necessity where although community

[2:34:39] Trustee Luckham: information meetings are not a necessity public hearing is but it's at the discretion of the ltc

[2:34:44] Trustee Luckham: and certainly I don't think there's any objection to doing that.

[2:34:47] Trustee Luckham: Steve Peterson, did you have your hand up?

[2:34:51] Voice 6: Yeah, thank you.

[2:34:52] Voice 6: Yeah, I'm in favor of a community information meeting.

[2:34:56] Voice 6: I'm also in favor specifically of another referral to First Nations,

[2:35:04] Voice 6: as we discussed earlier.

[2:35:05] Voice 6: clear, hopefully with communication from Lisa Wilcox regarding that section on First Nations

[2:35:17] Voice 6: and that perhaps we get some, we may get some specific feedback around the questions raised

[2:35:23] Voice 6: by Trustee Johnson on that.

[2:35:25] Voice 6: So I think both of those things are worth, worth doing.

[2:35:31] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, so I don't want to over, I don't want to be perceived as emphasizing second reading

[2:35:36] Trustee Luckham: but if we get the second reading that gives us the newest version of it that indeed i would look for

[2:35:41] Trustee Luckham: another motion to have uh additional referrals of the uh the second reading uh document and uh and

[2:35:50] Trustee Luckham: indeed that it clarifies what we're planning to do and and then also provides the opportunity for

[2:35:57] Trustee Luckham: further comment would that be correct heather yeah okay

[2:36:04] Voice 7: that's peace okay i'm certainly not opposed

[2:36:09] Voice 7: to second second reading would

[2:36:13] Trustee Luckham: you like to make the motion i

[2:36:16] Voice 7: might second it

[2:36:18] Trustee Luckham: that's chief peterson

[2:36:19] Voice 7: yeah sorry just

[2:36:25] Voice 6: trying to find my uh

[2:36:28] Voice 6: put it up

[2:36:31] Voice 6: spot here okay oh i had a question on the very first uh we we went past the number one here

[2:36:42] Voice 6: and I believe without addressing number one,

[2:36:46] Voice 6: is that correct?

[2:36:47] Voice 6: We did, but I'm happy to go to that.

[2:36:50] Trustee Luckham: I'm happy to go that-

[2:36:51] Voice 6: I'm wondering if procedurally

[2:36:52] Voice 6: we should deal with that.

[2:36:54] Trustee Luckham: Procedurally, does it matter the order, Heather?

[2:36:56] Trustee Luckham: We haven't discussed the charter.

[2:36:58] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, in terms

[2:36:59] Voice 9: of the project charter,

[2:36:59] Voice 9: it doesn't really matter, but it's fine to do this first.

[2:37:05] Voice 6: I just don't want us to forget it

[2:37:06] Voice 6: if it needs to happen as well, that's all.

[2:37:09] Trustee Luckham: I won't let you forget it.

[2:37:10] Trustee Luckham: okay

[2:37:12] Voice 6: so we can come back to that then after we do number three i believe it is okay i move that

[2:37:27] Voice 6: the luskete island local trust committee bylaw number 98 cited as luskete island official

[2:37:32] Voice 6: community plan 2020 be read a second time as amended so

[2:37:36] Trustee Luckham: it's moved peter do you trust me do

[2:37:39] Trustee Luckham: you second that and q i can't hear your voice but it looks like you're smiling so i'm assuming

[2:37:45] Trustee Luckham: I had

[2:37:48] Voice 7: to mute because of my telephone. I do second the motion.

[2:37:52] Trustee Luckham: Perfect. Thank you, sir. Is there any further discussion? No? So then I'll just

[2:37:59] Trustee Luckham: say you've done a lot of work. I can't say that enough. This is really great.

[2:38:05] Trustee Luckham: So I'll call the vote. All those in favor? Aye.

[2:38:09] Trustee Luckham: Any opposed? None opposed. So that carries. So indeed now, Tim, I would like to,

[2:38:14] Trustee Luckham: before we go to scheduling community information meeting is just go back to the project charter

[2:38:19] Trustee Luckham: motion and maybe Heather do you want to introduce the project charter as an item that's been as

[2:38:30] Trustee Luckham: amended that now is going to potentially embrace community information meeting referral public

[2:38:37] Trustee Luckham: hearing etc. Do we need to make any amendments at this time to the project charter?

[2:38:46] Voice 9: Yeah that

[2:38:46] Voice 9: So the motions that you made last meeting were to amend the project charter.

[2:38:52] Voice 9: So this just reflects the resolutions that you passed.

[2:38:55] Voice 9: And so you're just endorsing the resolutions that you'd already made.

[2:39:01] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[2:39:01] Trustee Luckham: And in terms of the process, we don't need to make any amendments to the charter?

[2:39:07] Trustee Luckham: You don't.

[2:39:08] Trustee Luckham: Okay, perfect then.

[2:39:09] Trustee Luckham: So I'd be happy to hear a motion to approve that project charter.

[2:39:17] Voice 7: Oh, dear.

[2:39:23] Voice 7: It's on your screen.

[2:39:26] Voice 7: Yes, you can.

[2:39:27] Voice 7: I'll move that the Leskete Island Local Trust Committee endorse the revised project charter for official community plan land use bylaw review process.

[2:39:37] Voice 7: I didn't know our land use bylaw was in here.

[2:39:40] Voice 7: I thought it was just an OCP review.

[2:39:44] Voice 9: Future phases look at subdivision regulations, which are in your land use bylaw.

[2:39:50] Voice 7: Okay.

[2:39:51] Voice 7: Dated June 2021 as amended.

[2:39:55] Voice 7: Excellent.

[2:39:56] Trustee Luckham: Moved.

[2:39:57] Trustee Luckham: Seconded.

[2:39:57] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Peterson?

[2:39:59] Voice 6: I'll second that.

[2:40:01] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[2:40:01] Trustee Luckham: Any discussion?

[2:40:03] Trustee Luckham: I'll call for the vote.

[2:40:04] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[2:40:06] Trustee Luckham: Aye.

[2:40:07] Trustee Luckham: Aye.

[2:40:08] Trustee Luckham: None opposed?

[2:40:09] Trustee Luckham: That carries.

[2:40:10] Trustee Luckham: So now we'll go back down to the end of the motions here.

[2:40:16] Trustee Luckham: If I can find it.

[2:40:18] Trustee Luckham: Oh, yeah.

[2:40:19] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[2:40:19] Trustee Luckham: So here we are.

[2:40:19] Trustee Luckham: The Lees-Keehdee and Localtrip Community Press staff.

[2:40:22] Trustee Luckham: So community information, public hearing.

[2:40:24] Trustee Luckham: I also heard something about additional referrals.

[2:40:28] Trustee Luckham: So perhaps an amendment to that motion might be appropriate

[2:40:31] Trustee Luckham: or Heather, do you think we want them as separate motions?

[2:40:36] Voice 9: It would be helpful to have separate motions, I think.

[2:40:41] Trustee Luckham: Maybe

[2:40:41] Voice 9: start with the referral.

[2:40:45] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so would you have some recommended language in that

[2:40:51] Trustee Luckham: for to assist the trustees?

[2:40:53] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[2:40:54] Trustee Luckham: yeah

[2:40:54] Voice 9: um in fact i have an alternative down at the bottom let me do that sorry for more scrolling

[2:41:04] Voice 9: okay so here's your basic motion um and i have first nations yeah and i have the following

[2:41:13] Voice 9: um if you wanted if you want to pass it as i've recommended you can just say as recommended

[2:41:21] Voice 9: amended. But if you want to amend this in any way, let me know. And let me make it.

[2:41:27] Voice 9: I

[2:41:27] Trustee Luckham: know Trustee Peterson was interesting in having some advice from our intergovernmental

[2:41:34] Trustee Luckham: liaison with respect to this referral. I'm presuming you would normally be engaging at

[2:41:41] Trustee Luckham: that level anyway.

[2:41:43] Voice 9: I would. There's also an aspect of this that is in the end, we're going to have

[2:41:50] Voice 9: to send this bylaw to the ministry and they have a particular list of first nations that they want

[2:41:57] Voice 9: to see that we have referred to and that's what this list reflects okay

[2:42:04] Trustee Luckham: yeah um so go ahead trustee

[2:42:11] Trustee Luckham: peterson uh

[2:42:13] Voice 6: yes thank you just in terms of um uh for uh lisa wilcox's benefit do we need any kind

[2:42:25] Voice 6: of language in terms of what we discussed about whether she wants to consider you know our

[2:42:31] Voice 6: thoughts about uh adding a specific um request for feedback on that first nation section you

[2:42:40] Voice 6: Heather, do you feel like you need us to give you extra direction on that, or is that something?

[2:42:45] Voice 6: I

[2:42:46] Voice 9: feel like I

[2:42:46] Voice 6: would do that as a

[2:42:47] Voice 9: matter of course, right?

[2:42:49] Voice 9: I mean, you can add, and

[2:42:50] Voice 9: I'm thinking about this motion in particular, that maybe you

[2:42:53] Voice 9: could ask, you could add some language to the motion that says that staff refer to the

[2:43:03] Voice 9: following First Nations and agencies based on advice from the senior intergovernmental

[2:43:08] Voice 9: policy advisor.

[2:43:08] Voice 9: does that work or are you talking about her commenting on the specific language and the ocp

[2:43:14] Voice 9: well

[2:43:16] Voice 6: um what i was talking about was her um uh you know advising and and or on you know on

[2:43:28] Voice 6: whether uh directly flagging uh that section for comment from first nations like i would follow

[2:43:37] Voice 6: her advice on whether that's a good thing to do and then i would also uh expect that we would ask

[2:43:44] Voice 6: for her guidance in doing that and how to do that okay

[2:43:49] Voice 9: does

[2:43:52] Voice 6: that make sense like it's it

[2:43:54] Voice 6: it's just it was in response to the questions about what maybe what we sort of

[2:44:02] Voice 6: viewed as potential inadequacy in terms of the language and the inclusion

[2:44:07] Voice 6: of uh

[2:44:08] Voice 6: of that so I mean I would really be deferring to her her thoughts on all of that but just I was

[2:44:19] Voice 6: just wondering if you know if you feel fine that you can represent the the desire of the LTC for

[2:44:25] Voice 6: her to consider that then I don't think we need to add anything to the motion I

[2:44:32] Voice 9: do okay

[2:44:35] Voice 6: can I also

[2:44:36] Voice 7: I would also put in a request that we ask them to look at our Crown land section two, and I don't know if we apologize for it, but we realize that it needs to change.

[2:44:54] Voice 9: The way the motion is drafted right now, it would ask them to look at any and all sections of the OCP.

[2:45:00] Voice 9: right

[2:45:01] Voice 7: but i think those are the two sections that i think are most important to get their

[2:45:06] Voice 7: feedback from and certainly anything else i'm happy to have and

[2:45:14] Voice 6: maybe that would just be we

[2:45:16] Voice 6: could just add that in heather as as part of the conversation with lisa um you know as as to

[2:45:26] Voice 6: of whether to and how to do that in specific.

[2:45:35] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, so one

[2:45:36] Trustee Luckham: thing that I think is important

[2:45:38] Trustee Luckham: with how what we think is what we think.

[2:45:42] Trustee Luckham: And I don't know that it's appropriate

[2:45:45] Trustee Luckham: for us to tell anybody what is important

[2:45:49] Trustee Luckham: that they should review.

[2:45:50] Trustee Luckham: I think they will determine what's important to review.

[2:45:52] Trustee Luckham: view um and quite honestly um any of the any of these nations that look at this stuff

[2:46:00] Trustee Luckham: look at it very seriously and they're well aware of crown land yeah issues around them so i think

[2:46:06] Trustee Luckham: that we need to be respectful in knowing that they will look at it in their from their context

[2:46:14] Trustee Luckham: not from ours

[2:46:16] Voice 7: sorry the last time it was referred when it was referred here we just got one response

[2:46:22] Voice 7: response, didn't we? And wasn't that no comments at this time?

[2:46:25] Voice 9: That's correct.

[2:46:29] Voice 7: You know, and they just get the document or I don't know, they get electronic copy or a printed

[2:46:34] Voice 7: copy. Electronic.

[2:46:37] Voice 7: And we have no way of knowing whether they, because there's no capacity to do these things

[2:46:44] Voice 7: in many of the nations.

[2:46:48] Trustee Luckham: Well, Heather, do you want to actually talk about your referral process?

[2:46:52] Trustee Luckham: because I know that you do reach out and make phone calls

[2:46:54] Trustee Luckham: and try to make personal contact on these referrals.

[2:46:58] Voice 9: We do, especially for those First Nations

[2:47:03] Voice 9: who are in treaty negotiations.

[2:47:06] Voice 9: So Comox is one of those.

[2:47:08] Voice 9: We have a phone call conversation with them

[2:47:11] Voice 9: but there is a referral process that we follow.

[2:47:16] Voice 9: Essentially Becky, our legislative clerk

[2:47:19] Voice 9: will send an electronic copy of the document along with an introductory email and if any of the

[2:47:26] Voice 9: nations have requested that we refer to them in a specific way and many of them do so for instance

[2:47:34] Voice 9: Squamish nation which isn't here but Squamish has a particular portal so they have a particular

[2:47:41] Voice 9: process that they've come up with and they ask us to use that process and so to the extent that

[2:47:46] Voice 9: any nation has asked us to refer to them in a specific way, we do that. For the most part,

[2:47:52] Voice 9: these are electronic referrals via email. And if we haven't heard from them, we typically will,

[2:48:00] Voice 9: we might follow up with them. It depends on the nation and what we understand about their

[2:48:05] Voice 9: interests. That's our process right now.

[2:48:12] Voice 7: I wanted to say, Peter, that I wasn't asking,

[2:48:16] Voice 7: I wasn't trying to tell them what they should look at, but to encourage them to look at these

[2:48:22] Voice 7: saying that we know they need work. But in many ways, I think the term crown land is offensive

[2:48:30] Voice 7: because that ends the argument. It's been recently referred to as provincially administered land.

[2:48:39] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, I think we can refer to it any way we want. And probably the best way to refer to it is

[2:48:46] Trustee Luckham: is as traditional as the territory of the First Nations,

[2:48:49] Trustee Luckham: but until the

[2:48:50] Trustee Luckham: province changes its designation

[2:48:52] Trustee Luckham: of Crown lands, anything that we call it is meaningless.

[2:48:56] Voice 7: Yeah, I agree with you.

[2:48:58] Voice 7: I'm happy just to pass the motion as it is

[2:49:02] Voice 7: and trust that word will get through in one way or another.

[2:49:07] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so would one of you like to make that motion?

[2:49:11] Trustee Luckham: I'm

[2:49:12] Voice 6: happy to do that.

[2:49:13] Voice 6: I move that the Liskety Island Local Trust Committee

[2:49:16] Voice 6: request that staff refer proposed bylaw

[2:49:18] Voice 6: number 98 to the following first nations and agencies for comment as listed on page

[2:49:29] Voice 6: darn it uh 68 of the agenda package perfect

[2:49:34] Trustee Luckham: thank you very much trustee peterson trustee

[2:49:36] Trustee Luckham: johnson are you seconding that second seconded any further discussion do

[2:49:41] Voice 7: we want to add do we

[2:49:43] Voice 7: want to add agricultural land commission to the agencies they

[2:49:49] Trustee Luckham: heather help us out they've been

[2:49:52] Trustee Luckham: been referred already is that correct or they have

[2:49:54] Trustee Luckham: yeah we've

[2:49:58] Voice 7: added bits about the ALC it's true

[2:50:01] Voice 7: ALR I

[2:50:04] Voice 6: I agree just since we have added a number of amendments uh since that referral maybe it's

[2:50:11] Voice 6: a good idea to put them on the list so

[2:50:13] Trustee Luckham: then that motion then would be by would be amended to say

[2:50:20] Trustee Luckham: the the list as attached on page 168 plus um like a agricultural land reserve

[2:50:28] Trustee Luckham: agricultural land commission yeah you got that dave yeah and then therefore that motion uh the

[2:50:39] Trustee Luckham: list on in the report and the agricultural land commission the referrals all those in favor

[2:50:45] Trustee Luckham: Any opposed? None opposed. So that's the referral. So we've dealt with that first. And so now I think what we're going to be asking is for community information meeting and public hearing.

[2:51:03] Trustee Luckham: And perhaps, Heather, you have some questions that you'd like to ask around whether or not those need to be separate events or a singular event.

[2:51:13] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[2:51:17] Voice 9: So maybe we'll start with that. For the community information meeting, do you feel that that should be during, well, maybe that's the question. Do you feel that either one of those could be or should be part of a regular meeting schedule? And if not, do you want a special meeting? And if so, what's the timing? When would you like to have it?

[2:51:46] Voice 9: And maybe I can preamble a little bit on the community information meeting.

[2:51:54] Voice 9: You know, typically they are meetings for the public to ask questions, not to, and this is

[2:52:03] Voice 9: the way we've kind of separated it out in Gabriela, is community information meeting,

[2:52:07] Voice 9: people ask questions about it, get information, and opinions are expressed during the public

[2:52:13] Voice 9: hearing.

[2:52:13] Voice 9: So it's not necessarily, at least the way we typically do community information meetings, it's not necessarily a place for people to tell us what they think, but to ask questions about it.

[2:52:25] Voice 9: And then they tell us what they think during the public hearing.

[2:52:30] Voice 9: So I need clarity if you wanted that to look a little different too.

[2:52:36] Trustee Luckham: Maybe I'll just add to that, Heather, if that's all right.

[2:52:38] Trustee Luckham: right? I like to think of them as distinctly different. And admittedly, it maybe doesn't

[2:52:46] Trustee Luckham: necessarily work for real people on real islands. I'll admit that. But I like to think about the

[2:52:54] Trustee Luckham: public record. And that when we hear opinions in the public hearing, that is considered the

[2:53:00] Trustee Luckham: official opportunity to register your point of view on the work that the government is doing.

[2:53:06] Trustee Luckham: And it's more, it's a more formal record of public opinion, as opposed to opinion being expressed at a community information meeting, which is not essential it is discretionary.

[2:53:20] Trustee Luckham: And as, as Heather has indicated is an opportunity for clarification to ask questions, not so much have debate but certainly trustees could ask questions of somebody if they need to.

[2:53:34] Trustee Luckham: Whereas at the public hearing, really at public hearing, you just simply listen to what people

[2:53:40] Trustee Luckham: have to say. So they're really different in there. In my mind, it's different. And particularly

[2:53:46] Trustee Luckham: around the public record is a public hearing is when you come and say yes, I support this or no,

[2:53:52] Trustee Luckham: I don't. And it's official. So trustees, what do you think and what do you want to do?

[2:53:58] Trustee Luckham: uh

[2:54:00] Voice 6: i think it might be i i totally uh take both of your points about the distinction between the

[2:54:07] Voice 6: two i think it may be difficult um for us to in any way enforce a community information meeting

[2:54:14] Voice 6: where there isn't opinions expressed but that that sort of is is what it is um and and that's

[2:54:22] Voice 6: no reason not to go ahead and and have one uh just knowing that that may may be the case um

[2:54:30] Voice 6: so yeah i mean i support uh i support uh both parts of the process i think

[2:54:35] Voice 6: that uh moving to a community information meeting next is um is the way to go

[2:54:41] Voice 6: I noted that our I believe it's July no August 9th we have an LTC

[2:54:51] Voice 8: meeting

[2:54:53] Voice 6: on the calendar

[2:54:55] Voice 6: um so that would be if we were going to do it in conjunction with an LTC regular meeting that

[2:55:02] Voice 6: would be the next date it's August 9th I don't know uh from staff's perspective whether that's

[2:55:10] Voice 6: if it's good timing or not.

[2:55:13] Voice 6: And I think that in terms of what we have

[2:55:18] Voice 6: on our sort of docket that I think it would be reasonable.

[2:55:22] Voice 6: I'm content with having that community information meeting

[2:55:25] Voice 6: in conjunction with the local trust committee

[2:55:27] Voice 6: regular business meeting at this point.

[2:55:30] Voice 6: Those are my thoughts.

[2:55:31] Trustee Luckham: And the public hearing to follow, is that correct?

[2:55:34] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Peterson?

[2:55:36] Voice 6: Yes, I would do the public hearing on a separate occasion.

[2:55:40] Voice 6: I

[2:55:40] Trustee Luckham: think that

[2:55:41] Voice 6: would be the best.

[2:55:44] Trustee Luckham: Okay, Trustee Johnson.

[2:55:45] Voice 7: Is a public hearing a fairly expensive process?

[2:55:49] Voice 7: Does it involve two rounds of advertising?

[2:55:54] Voice 9: It has to be in two consecutive papers.

[2:55:59] Voice 9: There's a timing of when it has to be published.

[2:56:03] Voice 7: But that's fairly expensive to do, isn't it?

[2:56:08] Voice 9: I guess it depends on what you mean by fairly expensive.

[2:56:10] Voice 9: of um the the average is around eight hundred dollars that i've seen across the trust oh okay

[2:56:16] Voice 9: that's part of the project budget that's yeah

[2:56:19] Voice 7: i was under the impression it was more like three

[2:56:21] Voice 7: thousand but the the difficulty i would like to avoid is having people come out who've not been at

[2:56:28] Voice 7: any uh involved in the process not been at a community information meeting and just uh grumbling

[2:56:34] Voice 7: and moaning and opposing it.

[2:56:36] Voice 7: Because I don't think we actually add up people

[2:56:39] Voice 7: and it's not a vote,

[2:56:41] Voice 7: but my understanding is that local trust committee members

[2:56:47] Voice 7: are heavily influenced by the public response

[2:56:50] Voice 7: at a public hearing.

[2:56:52] Voice 7: And it would be difficult to just say,

[2:56:55] Voice 7: oh, those eight people who grumbled about it

[2:56:57] Voice 7: were a minority and the two that supported it

[2:57:01] Voice 7: or three that supported it are speaking for the majority.

[2:57:03] Voice 7: I my question about both meetings and especially the the community information meeting is this an

[2:57:11] Voice 7: in-person meeting because if it is we're we're going to get a little bit of pushback for having

[2:57:17] Voice 7: that on 11 o'clock on a Monday 11 till 3 on a Monday can can we meet in public if we currently

[2:57:28] Voice 7: Currently, I think we can up to 40 or 50 people with a safety plan, whatever that means.

[2:57:37] Voice 9: Yeah, well, and if they lift the emergency orders, theoretically, there might not be any limit on that.

[2:57:43] Voice 9: Right now, I think it's 50 indoors.

[2:57:48] Voice 7: Yeah, and I have no idea what a safety plan is.

[2:57:51] Voice 7: When we had the, I can't remember what it was, the community information meeting and the whole,

[2:57:55] Voice 7: we were required to have people distant to have hand sanitizer to keep a list of people who

[2:58:01] Voice 7: attended for 30 days and that

[2:58:04] Voice 9: would still apply now yeah

[2:58:06] Voice 7: it does i

[2:58:09] Voice 6: just talked to the um our local

[2:58:12] Voice 6: emergency coordinator whatever his actual title is yesterday about the safety plan thing and he

[2:58:19] Voice 6: said it's actually quite simple um but very similar to what what we had last year uh had

[2:58:28] Voice 6: hand sanitizer uh keep track of who's there that sort of thing so yeah

[2:58:35] Trustee Luckham: if you want to do a uh in

[2:58:37] Trustee Luckham: person public meeting we will have a safety plan in place if it's necessary but it may be very

[2:58:41] Trustee Luckham: different come august yeah

[2:58:44] Voice 7: do do we want to have it in person i guess if they lift all the emergency

[2:58:53] Voice 7: we have to have it in person uh i think

[2:58:59] Voice 6: uh well we've got a bit of a moving target that we have

[2:59:04] Voice 6: have no control over in terms of what the provincial recommendations are and how that

[2:59:10] Voice 6: may or may not affect any of our plans to you know have it all electronic so i i think we should

[2:59:18] Voice 6: plan for um the possibility that we may in fact have to do it in person and i mean i i my feeling

[2:59:30] Voice 6: is as long as it's safe, it's preferable to do it in person anyway. But yeah, which we can only,

[2:59:39] Voice 6: we don't control all the contingency here, so. Right. And

[2:59:43] Trustee Luckham: I'll remind you, and I don't recall

[2:59:46] Trustee Luckham: the exact details, but Trust Council decided that we would have in-person meetings and there wouldn't

[2:59:51] Trustee Luckham: be technology support for electronic, other than listening, I think is actually wouldn't be

[2:59:58] Trustee Luckham: be proactive.

[3:00:00] Trustee Luckham: So, you know, if Bill 10 comes through is another thing and it's all nebulous, but if you want to stage an in-person, well, we may have to, right, a public hearing.

[3:00:11] Trustee Luckham: But if you have a preference for an in-person presence during, prior to Bill 10 being enacted, then staff will make it so, right, Helen?

[3:00:26] Trustee Luckham: yep

[3:00:27] Voice 7: last round were did many people request printed copies of the uh draft of after first

[3:00:34] Voice 7: reading oh

[3:00:37] Voice 9: somebody else might be able to help me with that and maybe even dave um because i feel

[3:00:41] Voice 9: like there were 10 to 20 requests good good

[3:00:45] Voice 9: something along those lines yeah

[3:00:47] Voice 7: i'm glad to

[3:00:49] Voice 7: hear that because i assume that people would read them then if they requested them and and will

[3:00:55] Voice 7: There'll have to be some time to get the new second reading done and set up and printed.

[3:01:05] Voice 7: I guess it's already set up.

[3:01:07] Voice 7: It's in our agenda package, isn't it?

[3:01:08] Voice 7: You just take proposed off.

[3:01:10] Voice 9: That's right.

[3:01:11] Voice 9: Yeah, actually providing copies wouldn't take very much time.

[3:01:17] Voice 7: What do people think about having both a public meeting and a public hearing at the same time?

[3:01:26] Voice 7: Well, one after the other.

[3:01:30] Trustee Luckham: I'm fine with that. And, you know, obviously the meat, the electronic, it could all happen in one day, if that's what you want to do.

[3:01:40] Trustee Luckham: And I don't have any trouble with that. And there's certainly efficiencies associated with it.

[3:01:49] Trustee Luckham: Does

[3:01:49] Voice 7: that happen after third reading or before third reading?

[3:01:55] Trustee Luckham: This is before third reading.

[3:01:57] Voice 7: Because third reading is our last and then it goes to EC and the minister.

[3:02:01] Trustee Luckham: That's correct.

[3:02:01] Trustee Luckham: Correct. Okay.

[3:02:03] Voice 7: Tim, you were going to say something.

[3:02:05] Trustee Luckham: I just want to check with Heather that she was in agreement with that, that all three meetings, community information meeting, public hearing, and local trust committee meeting could all happen in one meeting. There are some efficiencies to that. It may be a long day.

[3:02:27] Voice 6: Yeah I would just I just wanted to go back to Trustee Johnson's earlier point about the timing

[3:02:33] Voice 6: and whether in fact you know a Monday morning is is the time to in fact hold those meetings

[3:02:43] Voice 6: especially if we want to have members of the community come and participate. I know this is

[3:02:51] Voice 6: there's always a difficult question

[3:02:53] Voice 6: in terms of staff timing and all of that stuff,

[3:02:56] Voice 6: but I do agree with that.

[3:02:58] Voice 9: Well, and also to consider, oh, sorry.

[3:03:01] Voice 9: Didn't mean to interrupt you.

[3:03:02] Voice 9: Go ahead, Heather.

[3:03:03] Voice 9: Sorry, there's also this referral period.

[3:03:06] Voice 9: So, you know, an August 9th meeting,

[3:03:11] Voice 9: if there's an agenda that goes out for that day,

[3:03:14] Voice 9: well, if you were to have a public hearing on August 9th,

[3:03:17] Voice 9: the advertisement for that would actually have to go out

[3:03:20] Voice 9: within the next few weeks um we would also um what else was i was going to say about that

[3:03:27] Voice 9: that your referral period you know presumably we could send these these documents out for referral

[3:03:32] Voice 9: um but the referral agent the first nations and referral agencies would only have

[3:03:39] Voice 9: a month you know um to to review it and then we would have to be able to

[3:03:45] Voice 9: to accommodate all of those comments

[3:03:49] Voice 9: and have them all integrated

[3:03:51] Voice 9: into the CIM and the public hearing.

[3:03:53] Voice 9: So there's some,

[3:03:55] Voice 9: it's a little bit of a tight turnaround

[3:03:58] Voice 9: with the referral considering it.

[3:04:00] Trustee Luckham: So what do you see as a better timeline, Heather?

[3:04:03] Trustee Luckham: Can you, have you thought about that?

[3:04:06] Voice 9: Yeah, I mean, I think we could do a CIM

[3:04:08] Voice 9: fairly easily on August 9th

[3:04:11] Voice 9: or somewhere around that.

[3:04:13] Voice 9: that um let me think about that yeah the referral is kind of throwing me for a loop because i didn't

[3:04:22] Voice 9: think about timing on that um you're saying that you'd rather is there a day of the week that is

[3:04:30] Voice 9: better are you saying that you'd rather have a cim at night or in the afternoon or because that

[3:04:38] Voice 9: makes a difference too yeah

[3:04:44] Voice 6: so i i mean i take your point and i just was pointing out that august

[3:04:48] Voice 6: 9th was we have a schedule and not that that was

[3:04:52] Voice 6: necessarily the ideal time right right um that's

[3:04:56] Voice 6: right so we

[3:04:57] Voice 8: may even if we're

[3:04:58] Voice 6: going to if we're going to reschedule we may even cancel august 9th

[3:05:02] Voice 6: potentially depending on what other business we want to

[3:05:06] Trustee Luckham: yeah try and

[3:05:07] Trustee Luckham: if we were to meet august

[3:05:08] Trustee Luckham: 14th or something and i'm just throwing out a random number but a week or 10 days after the 19th

[3:05:14] Trustee Luckham: date may be better in terms of making sure we've received all the referrals, done all the

[3:05:20] Trustee Luckham: advertising. But like Heather said, a community information meeting prior to that, and I'm

[3:05:27] Trustee Luckham: assuming possibly even prior to August 9th, although that may have its own set of difficulties.

[3:05:32] Trustee Luckham: We

[3:05:33] Voice 9: have staff going on vacation around that time. August 9th is Becky's first day of vacation,

[3:05:40] Voice 9: and she's gone for two weeks.

[3:05:42] Voice 9: So we have to time all of this around scheduled vacations too.

[3:05:46] Trustee Luckham: So often we suggest that we just simply ask staff

[3:05:50] Trustee Luckham: to schedule the meetings

[3:05:52] Trustee Luckham: and then let them figure out the dates.

[3:05:56] Trustee Luckham: But what we do need to know

[3:05:58] Trustee Luckham: is if you want a separate community information meeting

[3:06:00] Trustee Luckham: and let's say a regular meeting

[3:06:04] Trustee Luckham: and a town hall public hearing,

[3:06:07] Trustee Luckham: how you whether we're talking two discrete dates or any number of elements or whether you want to

[3:06:14] Trustee Luckham: bundle it all into one and staff don't necessarily need to travel to Laskiti to for us to have those

[3:06:21] Trustee Luckham: meetings they can attend electronically I'm presuming and even myself I wouldn't necessarily

[3:06:26] Trustee Luckham: have to but I prefer to be if you're having an in-person meeting I prefer there to be be there

[3:06:32] Trustee Luckham: in person in order to manage help manage the meeting because sometimes it does get a little

[3:06:35] Trustee Luckham: and i don't okay

[3:06:37] Trustee Luckham: and

[3:06:39] Voice 6: and i'll just remind you um uh peter and and heather that um you know last

[3:06:46] Voice 6: year we had the in-person section at the community hall for space um you know because it's got a

[3:06:54] Voice 6: bigger space but of course it has zero connectivity essentially there and so then we had a separate

[3:07:02] Voice 6: electronic meeting right that's the way how we managed it last time so we still have the same

[3:07:08] Voice 6: challenges um going into this if we have a big turnout oh we need the space and if we have the

[3:07:15] Voice 6: space we don't have the electronic connectivity so it's it's challenging and especially if we're

[3:07:21] Voice 6: going to have a community information meeting where there may be questions for staff um we're

[3:07:27] Voice 6: I

[3:07:27] Voice 9: think we would, yeah, we wouldn't tend to be there in person. I would, I would be there in

[3:07:32] Voice 9: person. Yeah. I mean, the only reason I wasn't the last one was because we were kind of deep into

[3:07:37] Voice 9: COVID.

[3:07:38] Voice 6: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No, I just wanted to flag that as, you know, something to remember

[3:07:43] Voice 6: as we're scheduling it. So, I mean, I really feel like we could do, we could do one big

[3:07:52] Voice 6: session and do it all in some ways the doing the community information meeting and the public

[3:07:59] Voice 6: hearing on the same day is kind of helpful because we can have the question section

[3:08:05] Voice 6: and then we can have a comment section and people don't feel like they've got to wait two weeks

[3:08:09] Voice 6: between their questions and their comments and that may be a more functional way to actually get

[3:08:14] Voice 6: that to happen um so i'm okay with setting it up like that in terms of the timing

[3:08:23] Voice 6: you know it's always a challenge um uh to pull that off uh of course you know a lot of people

[3:08:36] Voice 6: would love it if we had such things on a weekend but then we're often going to be running into a

[3:08:41] Voice 6: situation where we're then competing for people's attention with uh with events happening on the

[3:08:48] Voice 6: the weekend which by August may be a reality I mean I know the local market has an intention to

[3:08:54] Voice 6: reopen soon so could

[3:08:58] Trustee Luckham: we do something say the middle of August and I'm thinking you know

[3:09:02] Trustee Luckham: somewhere around the 15th on a Friday that maybe is when people are migrating to Laskiti already

[3:09:09] Trustee Luckham: and and indeed not interrupting in the weekend because maybe Monday's just a bad day because

[3:09:13] Trustee Luckham: people are leaving and getting doing whatever else they do would that be a reasonable approach

[3:09:18] Trustee Luckham: And Heather, does that sound like something that you might be able to work around a Friday,

[3:09:21] Trustee Luckham: somewhere around the middle of August? I think so.

[3:09:24] Voice 9: Again, I have to look at staff

[3:09:28] Voice 9: vacations and support of that. And I'm trying to remember when the ferry schedules are.

[3:09:33] Voice 9: So there is a ferry on Thursday. There is

[3:09:35] Voice 7: a ferry on

[3:09:36] Voice 9: Saturday, right?

[3:09:38] Voice 7: Yeah. Every day but Wednesday. Sorry, every day but Tuesday in the summer.

[3:09:43] Voice 7: okay

[3:09:44] Voice 9: okay okay and

[3:09:45] Voice 6: so i'll just i'll just also flag for you heather while you're thinking about

[3:09:49] Voice 6: dates yeah that

[3:09:51] Voice 6: i have got the community hall already booked for an event which we uh are

[3:09:57] Voice 6: waiting till july 1st to see if we're going to be allowed to hold or not so i have the hall

[3:10:01] Voice 6: booked for the 20th and the 21st

[3:10:04] Voice 9: okay and

[3:10:05] Voice 6: assuming that uh depending on what we hear from the

[3:10:08] Voice 6: province uh i would be um unavailable those days because i would be hogging the hall running this

[3:10:15] Voice 6: event okay um of course we won't know for sure if this is doable till july 1st but i just wanted to

[3:10:22] Voice 6: flag for you that that's an issue and also that uh again if that's if it's permissible the following

[3:10:28] Voice 6: weekend um the 28th of august would be the parade and silly boat race again assuming that's what the

[3:10:38] Voice 6: the provinces we can do that.

[3:10:41] Voice 9: Okay, so I think what the chair was talking about,

[3:10:45] Voice 9: maybe what we'll do is I'll go away, we'll talk with staff,

[3:10:49] Voice 9: we'll see what kind of dates might work or not,

[3:10:51] Voice 9: and we will poll the trustees to see

[3:10:55] Voice 9: which dates will work or not.

[3:10:57] Voice 9: We'll pick a few that we think might work

[3:10:59] Voice 9: and then maybe poll you.

[3:11:01] Voice 9: That

[3:11:02] Voice 6: sounds good.

[3:11:04] Voice 7: Are we talking about a daytime weekday meeting?

[3:11:08] Voice 7: Yeah

[3:11:09] Trustee Luckham: I'm

[3:11:11] Voice 7: not sure that a Monday or Friday makes much difference okay

[3:11:15] Trustee Luckham: well it's up to you yeah

[3:11:17] Voice 7: another option of course is Saturday but that's overtime and uh the the third option is to begin

[3:11:24] Voice 7: at 5 or 5 30 and have an evening meeting which means that staff and then uh have to stay over

[3:11:31] Voice 7: overnight extra expense extra hassle

[3:11:35] Voice 6: i would just add to that um that if we're going to uh

[3:11:41] Voice 6: if we're going to do sort of an omnibus meeting that that that staff may have to stay overnight

[3:11:48] Voice 6: anyway yeah

[3:11:49] Voice 9: i i'd

[3:11:50] Voice 6: assumed i would be and so in that sense a friday would be preferable because

[3:11:56] Voice 6: you can actually leave the next day whereas if it's a monday you can't leave till wednesday

[3:12:00] Voice 7: I

[3:12:01] Voice 6: don't

[3:12:03] Trustee Luckham: want to be held captive, but overnight Friday would be fine.

[3:12:08] Trustee Luckham: Right.

[3:12:09] Trustee Luckham: So can I get a motion to have one meeting, community information meeting, public hearing, and LTC meeting, same day, middle August, ideally, middle to late August.

[3:12:23] Voice 7: I'd move that.

[3:12:24] Voice 7: we asked staff to fix a date or suggest dates when we could have both a community information

[3:12:31] Voice 7: and a public hearing

[3:12:32] Voice 6: now we could just if if if it's okay with heather we could just move the

[3:12:39] Voice 6: motion here and she can make the rest happen i'm pretty sure does that seem fair i'll just go ahead

[3:12:46] Voice 6: and move then that i move that the liskety island local trust committee requests staff to schedule

[3:12:51] Voice 6: a community information meeting and a public hearing for bylaw 98 cited as

[3:12:56] Voice 6: Liskety Island official community plan 2020 regularly at a suitable

[3:13:04] Voice 7: date in

[3:13:07] Voice 7: August okay

[3:13:14] Trustee Luckham: so in August was tagged on at the end there I don't think it's any

[3:13:18] Trustee Luckham: harm in that and so is that seconded trustee Johnston yes any discussion all

[3:13:26] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[3:13:28] Voice 7: Aye.

[3:13:28] Trustee Luckham: All right.

[3:13:29] Trustee Luckham: This is fantastic.

[3:13:31] Trustee Luckham: We are at 1243.

[3:13:35] Trustee Luckham: If I'm not mistaken, Heather,

[3:13:36] Trustee Luckham: I think that does conclude the OCP work.

[3:13:39] Voice 7: What about motion five there?

[3:13:41] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[3:13:42] Trustee Luckham: Oh, is there a motion five?

[3:13:44] Trustee Luckham: I'm sorry, I must've dropped that off.

[3:13:47] Trustee Luckham: It's

[3:13:47] Voice 7: on the next page.

[3:13:49] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, I didn't print that page.

[3:13:50] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so trustee five, let's see five.

[3:13:54] Trustee Luckham: motion number five which must be on page 64.

[3:14:00] Voice 7: Would you like me to read it? That the Lusketia

[3:14:02] Voice 7: Island Local Trust Committee has reviewed Island's Trust Policy Statement Director's Only Checklist

[3:14:07] Voice 7: and determined that Bylaw 98 cited as Lusketia and the Local Official Plan 2020

[3:14:12] Voice 7: is not contrary to or at variance with the Island's Trust Policy Statement.

[3:14:18] Voice 7: All right

[3:14:18] Trustee Luckham: so do we second that Trustee Peterson? And you have all done exactly what you're

[3:14:26] Trustee Luckham: saying we've done there and so therefore if there's no further discussion I'll call the vote

[3:14:32] Trustee Luckham: all those in favor and that too carries all right so that indeed now completes that um did we did

[3:14:43] Voice 6: we move recommendation one the

[3:14:48] Trustee Luckham: the project charter yes okay just

[3:14:53] Voice 6: since we've been

[3:14:54] Voice 6: back and forth a

[3:14:55] Voice 6: couple of times i was just trying to remember no

[3:14:58] Trustee Luckham: we did get that one so uh we're at 12 45

[3:15:02] Trustee Luckham: we've got a little bit of business i don't think we're going to be able to get through the rest of

[3:15:05] Trustee Luckham: it before uh we starve to death so um you want to just take a half an hour break and come back

[3:15:13] Trustee Luckham: and finish up the rest of the meeting yep

[3:15:15] Voice 8: all

[3:15:16] Trustee Luckham: right then okay so let's uh

[3:15:22] Trustee Luckham: Well, Cottingham, we will be returning at 1.15 and concluding the rest of the business.

[3:15:28] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[3:15:30] Voice 8: Thank you.

[3:45:16] Voice 9: hi chair yes

[3:45:18] Trustee Luckham: we

[3:45:19] Voice 9: forgot to cancel the regular meeting if that was the intent of the trustees

[3:45:23] Voice 9: for the august 9th oh

[3:45:26] Trustee Luckham: yeah well we're coming up to upcoming meetings here so that would be

[3:45:28] Voice 9: the

[3:45:29] Trustee Luckham: appropriate place to do that sounds

[3:45:30] Voice 9: good yeah

[3:45:32] Trustee Luckham: thank you for the reminder somebody got

[3:45:36] Trustee Luckham: an ambulance in the background i'm guessing oh that's me

[3:45:38] Trustee Luckham: sorry i don't i imagine on

[3:45:43] Trustee Luckham: On Laskiti, the same as Thetis, we don't go lights and sirens unless it's really critical.

[3:45:51] Trustee Luckham: I can't hear you, Peter.

[3:45:56] Voice 7: I've seen the ambulance or the emu, we call it, with lights, but never a siren.

[3:46:02] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[3:46:03] Trustee Luckham: People start to panic when they hear sirens.

[3:46:06] Trustee Luckham: All right.

[3:46:12] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Peterson, are you back there?

[3:46:14] Trustee Luckham: Perfect.

[3:46:14] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[3:46:15] Trustee Luckham: So I trust you all had a good lunch and I want to welcome members of the public to the

[3:46:20] Trustee Luckham: the Leskete Island Local Trust Committee meeting of,

[3:46:24] Trustee Luckham: here we are at the Solstice, June 21st.

[3:46:28] Trustee Luckham: Also a National Aboriginal Day

[3:46:33] Trustee Luckham: and really grateful for that opportunity

[3:46:35] Trustee Luckham: to recognize First Nations and culture and history.

[3:46:39] Trustee Luckham: And of course, Peter Lockham here, elected on Thetis Island,

[3:46:44] Trustee Luckham: the chair of the Local Trust Committee,

[3:46:46] Trustee Luckham: elected on Thetis Island,

[3:46:47] Trustee Luckham: which is in Lax and in Penelaket territory.

[3:46:49] Trustee Luckham: and so always grateful every day for being able to live and work in this beautiful place that we do.

[3:46:58] Trustee Luckham: So we've done quite a bit of business this morning with the trustees Peter Johnson and

[3:47:05] Trustee Luckham: trustee Tim Peterson, the local trust committee and of course Heather Crowe our supporting

[3:47:10] Trustee Luckham: regional planning manager. Thank you everybody for all your work and David is in the background

[3:47:15] Trustee Luckham: on there during minutes i hope i don't see him on my picture but i'm guessing he must be there

[3:47:26] Voice 4: sorry um i actually don't see him in the attendee list either which is a bit concerning

[3:47:33] Voice 4: um let me try and

[3:47:35] Voice 4: give him a call or he'll have the

[3:47:37] Voice 4: recording to catch up on anything

[3:47:39] Voice 4: but

[3:47:40] Trustee Luckham: yeah the only trick will be motions but indeed I'll proceed accordingly and

[3:47:46] Trustee Luckham: presumably we can get minutes from them video if not okay so I'm gonna move

[3:47:55] Trustee Luckham: along here we've done quite a bit of business we did do the Liskety Island

[3:47:58] Trustee Luckham: OCP consideration we did advance it to second reading I want to thank everybody

[3:48:02] Trustee Luckham: including the Liskety Island Association for all of the work in advancing that

[3:48:11] Trustee Luckham: that significant project and we look forward to probably a public hearing community information

[3:48:17] Trustee Luckham: meeting around the middle of august the date yet to be confirmed okay so no delegations today

[3:48:25] Trustee Luckham: no correspondence specifically although there may be correspondence that's on the website that's

[3:48:31] Trustee Luckham: been posted that's part of the current applications or projects and so any of that correspondence that

[3:48:36] Trustee Luckham: that we received with respect to the OCP project

[3:48:40] Trustee Luckham: will be on the project's page.

[3:48:43] Trustee Luckham: And so this brings us to new business

[3:48:46] Trustee Luckham: and we have two pieces of business here today.

[3:48:48] Trustee Luckham: One being local trust committee meeting guidelines

[3:48:51] Trustee Luckham: and public input discussion.

[3:48:53] Trustee Luckham: And that's on page 171 of your package.

[3:48:58] Trustee Luckham: I'm just gonna bring it up here.

[3:49:00] Voice 9: Yes.

[3:49:01] Voice 9: I think you might've missed 8.2.

[3:49:04] Voice 9: you

[3:49:07] Trustee Luckham: are absolutely right okay um so let us go then let's just backtrack it for a moment

[3:49:18] Trustee Luckham: and then go to 8.2 amending the liskiti meeting procedure bar to allow electronic meetings

[3:49:24] Trustee Luckham: discussion i thought we had done some of this stuff in the past but i'm going to turn it over

[3:49:30] Trustee Luckham: to you because obviously you have something you'd like to share with us

[3:49:32] Voice 7: actually it was

[3:49:35] Voice 7: My request that it be on the agenda.

[3:49:38] Voice 7: I'd like to

[3:49:38] Voice 7: make it so that we could hold an electronic meeting if we want to.

[3:49:43] Voice 7: And I think it's a fairly minor revision.

[3:49:45] Voice 7: I neglected to look at it, but my memory is limits one trustee and two, I think only one meeting per year.

[3:49:56] Voice 7: I think that there is reason to not throw it all out when the well depending on what Bill 10 says

[3:50:05] Voice 7: to be able to have an electronic meeting I think is very useful there are advantages to it and if

[3:50:13] Voice 7: we have that flexibility that will be good

[3:50:16] Voice 7: so I guess this would just be a request to ask staff

[3:50:19] Voice 7: or to put it on the projects list and prepare a report on how we could do that if the local trust committee wants to do that.

[3:50:32] Trustee Luckham: Okay. So, Heather, what is our current status then with electronic meetings? I had the impression we could do electronic meetings.

[3:50:39] Voice 9: We can until the emergency order is lifted, and then we have a three-month window in which we could still conduct electronic meetings.

[3:50:48] Voice 9: meetings. But Bill 10 doesn't include Islands Trust. And so after that three-month window is up,

[3:50:56] Voice 9: we're no longer able to conduct entirely electronic meetings.

[3:51:02] Trustee Luckham: Oh, I see. But I have been advised by the CAO that the intention is that Islands Trust will

[3:51:08] Trustee Luckham: be included in Bill 10.

[3:51:11] Voice 9: Okay. That's kind of news. The last I'd heard, we weren't included.

[3:51:16] Voice 9: they might be trying to do it but the timing the timing of it is unknown and if all that the way

[3:51:24] Voice 9: we have been thinking about it is if the emergency orders are lifted July 1st we'll have through

[3:51:29] Voice 9: September where we could have electronic meetings and after that we would have to be in person if

[3:51:35] Voice 9: nothing changes at the provincial level right

[3:51:38] Voice 7: I believe that our meeting procedures bylaws allows

[3:51:41] Voice 7: allows us to have extraordinary meetings electronically,

[3:51:45] Voice 7: but not regular meetings.

[3:51:47] Voice 7: I might be wrong on that.

[3:51:49] Trustee Luckham: And that's a function of the legislation

[3:51:51] Trustee Luckham: more than it is to be with our local bylaws.

[3:51:54] Voice 6: Yeah, it does actually say special meetings

[3:51:56] Voice 6: are permitted to be held entirely electronically.

[3:52:00] Voice 7: Which was approved before.

[3:52:02] Voice 6: Go ahead.

[3:52:03] Voice 6: Yes, that's the existing one,

[3:52:06] Voice 6: section 17 of the meeting procedures.

[3:52:10] Voice 6: If you would like

[3:52:12] Trustee Luckham: to make a motion, Trustee Johnson, to ask staff to investigate, provide

[3:52:21] Trustee Luckham: some advice on electronic meetings, that would be appropriate.

[3:52:25] Voice 7: Thank you.

[3:52:26] Voice 7: I move that we ask staff to prepare a report on what would be necessary to change our meeting

[3:52:33] Voice 7: procedures by law to permit electronic meetings at our discretion.

[3:52:42] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so a move. Do you want to second that, Trustee Peterson?

[3:52:48] Voice 6: I'm just wondering if we have our recorder back online.

[3:52:52] Trustee Luckham: Yes, we do.

[3:52:56] Voice 6: Yeah, I'm here.

[3:52:57] Voice 6: Okay, excellent. Well, I will second the motion then.

[3:53:01] Trustee Luckham: So moved and seconded, and you did get that motion, Dave?

[3:53:06] Trustee Luckham: Yes, I did. Thank you.

[3:53:08] Trustee Luckham: Thank you. So any further discussion? All those in favor? Is that sufficient, Heather? I think so. Yeah. All those in favor?

[3:53:16] Trustee Luckham: Aye.

[3:53:17] Trustee Luckham: all right so that carries okay so apologies for missing that is there anything further

[3:53:22] Trustee Luckham: local trust committee projects right then so where were we now so we are now at local trust

[3:53:29] Trustee Luckham: committee guideline and public input discussion on page 171 and we have our local trust committee

[3:53:36] Trustee Luckham: guidelines right in front of us and is this heather are you advancing this one or somebody

[3:53:44] Trustee Luckham: else? Trustee Johnston. Oh, it's okay. Trustee Johnston, over to you. New business. There's

[3:53:55] Voice 7: really just one part of this, and it'll take me a moment.

[3:54:07] Trustee Luckham: Now, this is a trust council

[3:54:10] Trustee Luckham: guideline?

[3:54:12] Voice 7: I think it's a trust council. Well, I don't know. No, it's local trust committee

[3:54:19] Voice 7: guidelines approved by trust council

[3:54:22] Trustee Luckham: exactly uh

[3:54:24] Voice 7: okay i'm sorry that i wasn't prepared for this

[3:54:32] Voice 7: uh i there's a part in here that says what's

[3:54:48] Trustee Luckham: the key word we can search for it it's uh

[3:54:51] Voice 7: it's it it

[3:54:53] Voice 7: has to do with uh attendees at the meeting being able to speak to the meeting members

[3:55:01] Trustee Luckham: of the public

[3:55:02] Trustee Luckham: members

[3:55:02] Voice 7: of the public uh uh given permission of the uh body of the chair yeah of the meeting

[3:55:12] Voice 7: yes

[3:55:14] Trustee Luckham: and i i

[3:55:15] Voice 7: said heather just that part it's a couple of lines in the policy and i can't remember

[3:55:20] Voice 7: i can't find it right now 2

[3:55:28] Voice 9: .6 here i don't know if that's all right

[3:55:30] Voice 7: 2.6 any person attending a

[3:55:33] Voice 7: meeting may address the LTC on any item of business on the agenda, but only if the LTC

[3:55:39] Voice 7: resolves to allow that person to address it. This is when I was years ago attending many

[3:55:46] Voice 7: meetings on the APC and in my first term as trustee, we were much more open and it was a much

[3:55:54] Voice 7: more participatory meeting than it is now. Now we pretty much have been

[3:56:02] Voice 7: limiting attendees to speaking at the Town Hall and not at all. I had come

[3:56:07] Voice 7: across this before and I came across it just recently and I think it's important

[3:56:11] Voice 7: and it is an indication that there's reason for letting people,

[3:56:19] Voice 7: giving people the opportunity to speak to an issue

[3:56:23] Voice 7: at a meeting.

[3:56:24] Voice 7: My own feeling is it makes the meetings,

[3:56:27] Voice 7: I haven't seen it be disruptive or time dragging on

[3:56:35] Voice 7: and it gets much more buy-in from the community,

[3:56:38] Voice 7: much support, more support for the community

[3:56:41] Voice 7: of how the local trust committee works

[3:56:43] Voice 7: and decisions it makes.

[3:56:46] Voice 7: And I just wanted to bring this to your attention

[3:56:49] Voice 7: to everyone's attention.

[3:56:53] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[3:56:54] Voice 7: We could, I guess I could move,

[3:56:56] Voice 7: we put it in our own local trust committee

[3:57:01] Voice 7: meeting procedures guideline, if we have one.

[3:57:07] Trustee Luckham: Oh, the guidelines are given to us by council.

[3:57:10] Voice 8: Right.

[3:57:17] Trustee Luckham: So, I guess I'm happy to hear that.

[3:57:22] Trustee Luckham: I'm not necessarily keen or in support of changing it,

[3:57:25] Trustee Luckham: but Trustee Peterson.

[3:57:27] Trustee Luckham: just

[3:57:29] Voice 6: so i'm clear here uh trustee johnson you're uh you're not asking that we change 2.6 you're

[3:57:39] Voice 6: just drawing our attention to it

[3:57:41] Voice 7: yes i'm asking that we loosen up our practice a bit of restricting

[3:57:46] Voice 7: comments only at the town hall session okay

[3:57:51] Voice 6: so if the ltc resolves to allow a person to address

[3:57:55] Voice 6: an issue under 2.6 then that right that's that's you just want us to keep that in mind

[3:58:02] Voice 8: so

[3:58:02] Voice 6: that's that's a decision the ltc can make on a case-by-case basis is what it looks like to me

[3:58:10] Trustee Luckham: yeah and my practice is that if a member of the public is waving their hand and wants to speak

[3:58:14] Trustee Luckham: then i say well as a member of the public would like to speak because the local trust committee

[3:58:18] Trustee Luckham: interested in hearing from this person and in 99% of the cases I would say that the LTC says yes

[3:58:27] Trustee Luckham: let's hear from the person we think it might be important yeah so

[3:58:31] Trustee Luckham: I don't have any trouble with

[3:58:32] Trustee Luckham: continuing to practice that okay thank you all right then if that's it on that business item

[3:58:41] Trustee Luckham: then let's go to non-compliance with land use bylaw discussion um

[3:58:48] Voice 7: is

[3:58:49] Trustee Luckham: that who's brought that

[3:58:50] Trustee Luckham: to the table that

[3:58:51] Voice 7: was me again um what what's i i noticed on uh i can't remember where it came to

[3:59:00] Voice 7: my attention um a video of uh residents being offered as a b&b which i think means an airbnb

[3:59:10] Voice 7: and be not literally a bed and breakfast, a short rental.

[3:59:15] Voice 7: New owners, the owners of the land

[3:59:18] Voice 7: that's going to be safe island too,

[3:59:20] Voice 7: they own a separate parcel with a house on it.

[3:59:24] Voice 7: They want to rent it short term

[3:59:26] Voice 7: and they're promoting it through this video.

[3:59:30] Voice 7: And we have a considerable amount of noncompliance

[3:59:34] Voice 7: with our land use by law and it's growing

[3:59:37] Voice 7: and I'm concerned about it.

[3:59:38] Voice 7: and I presume when we get to the land use bylaw revision we'll have community discussion and

[3:59:45] Voice 7: hopefully some level of community agreement but I'm concerned about what we do until then

[3:59:50] Voice 7: and I don't know if you have anything useful that you can suggest that I do or we do or

[3:59:58] Voice 7: sort of

[4:00:00] Voice 7: hold our breath and hope it doesn't get too out of hand.

[4:00:02] Voice 7: I was thinking of sending them and also to the public

[4:00:08] Voice 7: notice that short-term rentals are not permitted

[4:00:11] Voice 7: unless they're in the C3 zone, which we do have.

[4:00:15] Voice 7: But it's a pretty common breach of the land use bylaw.

[4:00:22] Voice 7: And especially in the summertime,

[4:00:24] Voice 7: not so many rentals in the winter.

[4:00:29] Voice 7: Is there anything that we can do about it?

[4:00:31] Voice 7: We want to do about it?

[4:00:35] Trustee Luckham: Oh, well, I, you know, I don't think there's anything wrong with a trustee reminding the

[4:00:40] Trustee Luckham: community of our bylaws, but indeed, members of the public that feel they're being impacted

[4:00:51] Trustee Luckham: by a non-compliant use can certainly make, file a complaint.

[4:00:55] Trustee Luckham: I know people don't like to do that, but that's the mechanism that exists.

[4:01:02] Trustee Luckham: I don't know, Heather, I think you probably, do you have anything else to offer on that?

[4:01:07] Trustee Luckham: The

[4:01:12] Voice 9: topic has come up quite a bit.

[4:01:14] Voice 9: I think you all are aware of Trustee Boushekin on Denman has requested that there be a temporary

[4:01:21] Voice 9: staff person who is a communications.

[4:01:25] Voice 9: And the purpose of that staff person is to do some, I think to do some preventative bylaw

[4:01:32] Voice 9: education to communities. And it's not, I don't believe that person is supposed to be just

[4:01:39] Voice 9: specific to Denman, but I think it's an issue everywhere. And it's about education, you know,

[4:01:44] Voice 9: just having information and making sure that all the right people have the right information,

[4:01:51] Voice 9: which, which is a matter of resourcing, you know, do we have the staff and the resources to do that?

[4:01:57] Voice 9: but my assumption is this new staff person

[4:02:01] Voice 9: is supposed to be kind of working on that.

[4:02:04] Trustee Luckham: That would be correct, yeah.

[4:02:06] Trustee Luckham: It's a work in progress.

[4:02:08] Trustee Luckham: But of course, some people do whatever they want to do

[4:02:11] Trustee Luckham: regardless of what the bylaws are

[4:02:12] Trustee Luckham: and they know what the bylaws are.

[4:02:16] Trustee Luckham: So yeah.

[4:02:21] Trustee Luckham: Anything else on this topic?

[4:02:24] Voice 6: I don't have any advice.

[4:02:27] Voice 6: The only other thing I would add

[4:02:30] Voice 6: would be that um is that uh when things like stvr is when bylaw infractions like uh one of the ways

[4:02:41] Voice 6: that they can be acted on outside of complaints is by advertising i believe um and i think that

[4:02:51] Voice 6: i'm pretty sure that's what our our bylaw that we've looked at not repealing or repealing the

[4:02:58] Voice 6: sentence of deleting anyway I'm pretty sure that's what it mentions that in there that that's

[4:03:04] Voice 6: that's the other way of bylaw enforcement action being taken so if in fact there are people

[4:03:14] Voice 6: advertising illegal short-term vacation rentals that's that's one way for action to be taken is

[4:03:20] Voice 6: is if they're advertising that is that correct bylaw

[4:03:28] Trustee Luckham: enforcement has that ability to do proactive

[4:03:30] Trustee Luckham: effective enforcement based upon advertisement searches, yeah.

[4:03:37] Trustee Luckham: But, you

[4:03:38] Voice 2: know, the other thing to

[4:03:39] Trustee Luckham: consider here, actually, is especially seeing as you

[4:03:44] Trustee Luckham: have areas that are zoned for this purpose, and other areas are not zoned for this purpose,

[4:03:53] Trustee Luckham: it's in the best interest of those that are zoned for that purpose already to

[4:04:00] Trustee Luckham: to consider suggesting to those others that they're not in compliance or however what they

[4:04:08] Trustee Luckham: would like to do it. Because this is not an issue specific to Liskiti, it's happening everywhere.

[4:04:14] Trustee Luckham: And it's particularly predominant in the Southern Gulf Islands. And the Southern Gulf Islands is

[4:04:19] Trustee Luckham: now working because bylaw enforcement has been difficult and compliance has been difficult.

[4:04:24] Trustee Luckham: difficult and it's expensive for us to do this kind of enforcement and all that sort of stuff.

[4:04:32] Trustee Luckham: There's an initiative afoot in the Southern Gulf Islands with the regional district

[4:04:36] Trustee Luckham: to actually license short-term rentals. And so there's going to be another regulatory mechanism

[4:04:45] Trustee Luckham: potentially available to put in place because once one regional district and one local trust

[4:04:50] Trustee Luckham: committee starts to doing it doing it it's going to become desirable for others and you know

[4:04:56] Trustee Luckham: generally people don't like regulation and um business licenses is something that isn't

[4:05:02] Trustee Luckham: predominant in the gulf islands but it could become that way if um we get too much if it ends

[4:05:10] Trustee Luckham: up being too difficult to manage for us um and so then you're in not only in violation of the

[4:05:15] Trustee Luckham: honest trust but you'd be in violation of a regional district business licensing process

[4:05:20] Trustee Luckham: us so that's just a heads up that's out there anything else on this otherwise we'll continue on

[4:05:29] Trustee Luckham: all

[4:05:31] Voice 7: right you okay peter

[4:05:32] Voice 7: yeah i i just say that it's highly unlikely that catholic regional

[4:05:38] Voice 7: district would do a business license it's a very hands-off district and if we demanded it they

[4:05:45] Voice 7: probably would but yeah yeah that's okay thank you yeah

[4:05:49] Trustee Luckham: all right then so now we're going to go

[4:05:52] Trustee Luckham: on to reports uh Trust Islands Trust Conservancy there's nothing here today we do have like

[4:05:58] Trustee Luckham: application report here um for June the 14th 2021 and I'm presuming uh Regional Planning Manager

[4:06:06] Trustee Luckham: Cower that that report is up to date you don't have any additional items and so I'll just ask

[4:06:10] Trustee Luckham: trustees if you have any questions for staff on the applications report not

[4:06:21] Voice 8: I don't have any okay

[4:06:23] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so not seeing any.

[4:06:24] Trustee Luckham: I'm going to go down local expense report.

[4:06:28] Trustee Luckham: Nothing here today.

[4:06:29] Trustee Luckham: Adopted policies and standing resolutions on page 176.

[4:06:32] Trustee Luckham: Is there for your information?

[4:06:35] Trustee Luckham: And we'll just receive that for information as a reminder,

[4:06:38] Trustee Luckham: unless there's something specific action

[4:06:40] Trustee Luckham: you'd like to take with respect to it.

[4:06:43] Trustee Luckham: Not seeing anything.

[4:06:44] Trustee Luckham: Local trust committee webpage.

[4:06:48] Trustee Luckham: Honestly, I don't know what the status of the website is.

[4:06:50] Trustee Luckham: The new website went up a little while ago.

[4:06:52] Trustee Luckham: There was some concerns about the transition and people having to learn how the new website

[4:06:59] Trustee Luckham: works.

[4:06:59] Trustee Luckham: Certainly beautiful and spectacular and lots of information.

[4:07:04] Trustee Luckham: And that's an evolving process.

[4:07:06] Trustee Luckham: So I would suggest we just keep monitoring here for a bit.

[4:07:12] Trustee Luckham: There's no doubt be an update from the Trust Program Services in the near future about

[4:07:17] Trustee Luckham: how that's evolving.

[4:07:19] Trustee Luckham: involving Heather Croward. Did you have anything to add about web page? No. And trustees, are you

[4:07:24] Trustee Luckham: okay with that? Yep. All right. Thank you. So now we come down to our top priorities report in our

[4:07:32] Trustee Luckham: projects list. Now, in consideration of the cell phone tower strategy, we might want to amend one

[4:07:40] Trustee Luckham: of those or not. But certainly, I think the idea was to keep it on the list. So the top priorities

[4:07:47] Trustee Luckham: priorities uh list there at 13.1 on page 179 i'm just going to get for that right there uh the ocp

[4:07:57] Trustee Luckham: of course that's ongoing freshwater strategy and there's the cell tower thing so it is actually as

[4:08:05] Trustee Luckham: a top priority um trustees what would you like to do if anything with any of those and trustee

[4:08:10] Trustee Luckham: over to you yeah

[4:08:13] Voice 6: thank you chair um i think i would like us to amend this

[4:08:17] Voice 6: um to add um uh um first nations cultural areas in consideration of the discouraged uh locations

[4:08:38] Voice 6: um

[4:08:45] Trustee Luckham: so what you'd like to do there is just add another uh subject there probably comma

[4:08:59] Trustee Luckham: a uh

[4:09:01] Voice 6: after elect after electrical supply right we

[4:09:05] Voice 6: would say add um and first nations cultural areas

[4:09:11] Trustee Luckham: okay so are you making that emotion sure

[4:09:16] Voice 6: i move that the luskete local trust committee amend

[4:09:20] Voice 6: uh top priority number three model cell tower strategy um by adding after the word supply

[4:09:34] Voice 6: and comma and first nations cultural areas okay

[4:09:44] Trustee Luckham: um trustee johnson you seconded that

[4:09:48] Trustee Luckham: oh yes and any discussion yeah

[4:09:52] Voice 7: i i have a question i i'm not sure what you mean by cultural areas tim

[4:10:01] Voice 6: uh of course i don't have that right in front of me anymore but it was uh i flagged it as being

[4:10:10] Voice 6: specifically in that report that we just uh adopted it was one of the areas that i i flagged

[4:10:19] Voice 6: as being that report being deficient in uh maybe it should be cultural sites sorry cultural sites

[4:10:26] Voice 6: is probably more more um accurate descriptive accurate i

[4:10:31] Voice 7: don't know what

[4:10:33] Voice 7: sites i'm not sure

[4:10:35] Voice 7: what that means either. Archaeological sites are protected or they're under legislation,

[4:10:43] Voice 7: but there are sites that I assumed you didn't mean gardens and crabapple and camas plantations,

[4:10:51] Voice 7: that kind of thing, that kind of culture. Places that they have used and used for cultural

[4:10:57] Voice 7: purposes and

[4:11:00] Voice 6: may want to use in the future uh

[4:11:04] Voice 7: -huh and

[4:11:06] Voice 6: i just think that that should be

[4:11:08] Voice 6: that we should give consideration to putting such sites on our the discouraged list uh

[4:11:16] Voice 6: and i saw that i felt that was missing in the report that we just endorsed

[4:11:19] Voice 6: yeah yeah obviously this

[4:11:23] Voice 6: is just that's the

[4:11:24] Voice 6: intention here yeah

[4:11:25] Trustee Luckham: obviously this is just a

[4:11:27] Trustee Luckham: list a list an item on the our list of which there would be a discussion at whatever point we

[4:11:33] Trustee Luckham: get into it so it becomes clearer yeah

[4:11:38] Voice 7: i'm okay with supporting this okay

[4:11:43] Trustee Luckham: so then if there's

[4:11:45] Trustee Luckham: nothing else on that then i'll just call for the vote all those in favor right all right and that

[4:11:51] Trustee Luckham: carries no opposition to that is there anything else i have

[4:11:55] Voice 7: a question i it says at the bottom

[4:11:57] Voice 7: this is page one of two, but there is no page two of it. Is there a fourth project?

[4:12:07] Trustee Luckham: There shouldn't be a fourth project, I think that's just a pagination error.

[4:12:12] Voice 7: Okay.

[4:12:14] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, it might be there's a blank line or somehow, who knows.

[4:12:18] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so then the next item then is our projects list, and that's there for your

[4:12:24] Trustee Luckham: information at this time, unless you want to remove or add something.

[4:12:27] Trustee Luckham: I

[4:12:30] Voice 7: have several comments on the review permitted uses upland to the barge ramp. I wonder if that's

[4:12:42] Voice 7: necessary anymore. As far as I know, this came up when there were fuel sales and fuel delivery

[4:12:50] Voice 7: there. Maybe there are issues, but I'm not aware of any continuing, so we might consider removing

[4:12:58] Voice 7: moving this well

[4:13:00] Trustee Luckham: i think there's still an outstanding issue with uh cargo being left on

[4:13:05] Trustee Luckham: the roadway is that not true trustee peterson over to you yes

[4:13:11] Voice 6: and uh as you may recall when

[4:13:13] Voice 6: we had our protocol meeting with the regional district our cao and one of the staff members

[4:13:20] Voice 6: members uh at the regional district agreed that they would look into um what it would take

[4:13:29] Voice 6: uh to establish tenure you recall that discussion at all yep

[4:13:34] Voice 6: because if the regional district was

[4:13:36] Voice 6: able to get get some tenure on that section of the road for Moti then this whole thing could

[4:13:43] Voice 6: be solved very simply and i don't know i'm sure our cao probably has no projects on his list but

[4:13:51] Voice 6: we pending hearing some information back on that i would prefer that we leave it on the list for now

[4:13:59] Voice 6: okay yeah

[4:14:00] Trustee Luckham: all right anything else on the projects report yes

[4:14:04] Voice 7: um the next one community shoreline

[4:14:06] Voice 7: values the the plan was never for the trustees to map community values along the shoreline

[4:14:11] Voice 7: it's it was for one of the trustees and the regional director to lead a community mapping

[4:14:17] Voice 7: or community exploration and mapping oh

[4:14:21] Trustee Luckham: yeah well it actually wouldn't even be a ltc project but

[4:14:29] Voice 7: well it was something that i i asked was the ltc interested in this not having you know not

[4:14:37] Voice 7: committing ourselves to doing any work putting any money or staff time into it and it was put

[4:14:42] Voice 7: on the projects list i think as an indication that you would be willing to receive whatever

[4:14:47] Voice 7: information the community came up with fair

[4:14:53] Trustee Luckham: enough um yeah strikes me you would want to

[4:14:59] Trustee Luckham: delete it actually if it's not actually something work that we're actually going to do um well it's

[4:15:05] Voice 7: on the

[4:15:05] Trustee Luckham: it's

[4:15:07] Voice 7: on the projects list as a sort of placeholder to keep to remind us of it

[4:15:11] Voice 7: sure

[4:15:12] Trustee Luckham: you know

[4:15:13] Trustee Luckham: they don't always

[4:15:14] Voice 7: get done sure

[4:15:15] Trustee Luckham: so do you want to change the wording in some fashion

[4:15:17] Trustee Luckham: uh

[4:15:19] Voice 7: i i you know i would say maybe say just to say community to map okay

[4:15:31] Trustee Luckham: values we don't really direct the community to do things but is that no no

[4:15:36] Voice 7: okay or or make trustee

[4:15:39] Voice 7: uh singular and uh uh work with community to map so

[4:15:49] Trustee Luckham: trustee to support uh community

[4:15:52] Trustee Luckham: mapping sure mapping community values yeah that would make the most sense so dave did you capture

[4:16:04] Trustee Luckham: that yes

[4:16:08] Voice 6: i have thank you and

[4:16:10] Trustee Luckham: so if we just turn that into a motion trustee johnson i

[4:16:14] Voice 7: i move that

[4:16:18] Voice 7: that we changed that text in community shoreline values

[4:16:22] Voice 7: mapping to trustee.

[4:16:24] Voice 7: I've forgotten exactly what the wording was,

[4:16:26] Voice 7: but trustee to lead community mapping,

[4:16:31] Voice 7: mapping community values along the shoreline of Lusketi.

[4:16:35] Voice 7: Yeah, so

[4:16:36] Trustee Luckham: we'll just ask Dave

[4:16:37] Trustee Luckham: if he managed to capture that as a motion.

[4:16:39] Voice 7: No, I did not, sorry.

[4:16:41] Trustee Luckham: All right, let's try it again.

[4:16:44] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Johnson.

[4:16:45] Voice 7: trustee, singular, to lead community mapping of values along the shorelines of Leskeetee Island.

[4:16:58] Trustee Luckham: You got that, Dave?

[4:17:01] Voice 7: Yes, thank you very much.

[4:17:03] Trustee Luckham: Brilliant. So do I have a seconder for that?

[4:17:07] Trustee Luckham: You've got, did you understand that, Trustee Peterson? All right, so moved and seconded.

[4:17:12] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor? Aye.

[4:17:14] Trustee Luckham: All right, so that carries. Thank you. Anything else on the

[4:17:19] Voice 7: The Scotty Bay one, there's no question about the road access.

[4:17:27] Voice 7: It's there.

[4:17:28] Voice 7: There's a road right to the edge of Scotty Bay and develop a plan for managing, I don't

[4:17:38] Voice 7: know, the idea is to see if the people that live around there, the people that keep boats

[4:17:44] Voice 7: there that people with an interest can agree on a way to allocate space for the various uses,

[4:17:52] Voice 7: possibly put in a public dock at that access, a dock that's usable by the public,

[4:17:58] Voice 7: but the road access should come out.

[4:18:02] Trustee Luckham: Is that not a private road?

[4:18:06] Voice 7: No, it's a public road. There was an old float and wharf there, but it's dismantled and gone now.

[4:18:14] Trustee Luckham: I see. If you're going to access mooring buoys from a road, to be honest, there does need to

[4:18:21] Trustee Luckham: be some management about liability, maintenance, who leases what. I imagine there's complexity.

[4:18:30] Trustee Luckham: I would honestly leave road access in there.

[4:18:34] Voice 7: Okay. The mooring buoys are just things that

[4:18:42] Voice 7: people have put in there. Mostly one guy has put them in before other people and now you just you

[4:18:50] Voice 7: know you access it from the shore you get a dinghy and row out.

[4:18:59] Voice 8: Fair enough.

[4:19:01] Voice 7: I don't it doesn't it's

[4:19:03] Voice 7: not that important but it's on the list.

[4:19:07] Trustee Luckham: Yeah I don't I always think if there's a road access to

[4:19:10] Trustee Luckham: the shoreline human nature is that they want to back their car down there with a trailer and

[4:19:16] Trustee Luckham: launch their boat.

[4:19:17] Voice 7: No, it's not that kind of access. If you didn't see

[4:19:22] Trustee Luckham: the memo, you might

[4:19:25] Trustee Luckham: not know that.

[4:19:26] Voice 7: Yeah, it's a very narrow road. I'm sure

[4:19:30] Voice 7: it is. Yeah, it's

[4:19:32] Trustee Luckham: surprising what people do.

[4:19:35] Trustee Luckham: Anyway, you can, you know, I guess we can micromanage these quite a bit if we want,

[4:19:40] Trustee Luckham: but I'm inclined to leave that

[4:19:42] Voice 7: I'm okay with leaving it

[4:19:44] Trustee Luckham: St. Peterson yeah all

[4:19:49] Trustee Luckham: right so anything else on the project list all right so this brings us to the

[4:19:53] Trustee Luckham: upcoming meeting so I think what we need to do is cancel this meeting in light of

[4:19:59] Trustee Luckham: the fact that we're scheduling a meeting for a middle of August already and we've

[4:20:02] Trustee Luckham: given staff direction for that so perhaps that could be would you get a

[4:20:07] Trustee Luckham: a motion to cancel the meeting

[4:20:09] Trustee Luckham: and have some note on there that for the public somewhere

[4:20:14] Trustee Luckham: that the next meeting is pending.

[4:20:18] Trustee Luckham: Any suggestions there, Regional Planning Manager Kerr?

[4:20:21] Voice 9: Yeah, I think no matter what,

[4:20:23] Voice 9: if you're not intending to meet on the 9th,

[4:20:25] Voice 9: you need to cancel it.

[4:20:26] Voice 9: And then we just need clarification

[4:20:28] Voice 9: as to whether or not you intend to have a business meeting

[4:20:30] Voice 9: on the same day as the CIM and public hearing,

[4:20:33] Voice 9: in which case we'll call that a special meeting.

[4:20:35] Voice 9: And we'll need to set that way.

[4:20:37] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so let's just get a motion to cancel this meeting.

[4:20:42] Trustee Luckham: Oh, look at that.

[4:20:43] Trustee Luckham: I

[4:20:43] Voice 6: move that the Laskete Island Local Trust Committee

[4:20:47] Voice 6: cancel the August 9th, 2021 regular business meeting.

[4:20:51] Trustee Luckham: Moved, seconded, Trustee Johnson.

[4:20:56] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, your microphone has to be turned on.

[4:20:58] Trustee Luckham: I

[4:20:59] Voice 7: got it, thank you.

[4:21:00] Voice 7: I'll second it.

[4:21:01] Voice 7: I'm not sure that, you know,

[4:21:02] Voice 7: if we are definitely going to have a business meeting

[4:21:05] Voice 7: in conjunction with the CIM and the public hearing,

[4:21:08] Voice 7: hearing, that's fine. But I mean, this is two months away. Well, it's less than two

[4:21:17] Voice 7: months, I guess, isn't it? So 21st

[4:21:18] Trustee Luckham: of July, yeah, 40

[4:21:20] Trustee Luckham: days. Yeah,

[4:21:22] Voice 7: yeah. Yeah, I don't know,

[4:21:23] Voice 7: we could cancel it later when we see, you know, what are the times for this, the community

[4:21:29] Voice 7: information and not public hearing? Do we want to fit it all, especially if we anticipate

[4:21:34] Voice 7: it being a long day? And if it's here, presumably, you'd come over in the morning, you get here

[4:21:39] Voice 7: here by 11, and I don't see there'd be a problem

[4:21:45] Voice 7: getting all those things done by four,

[4:21:48] Voice 7: but I might, or by three, I might be wrong.

[4:21:54] Trustee Luckham: I'd say

[4:21:55] Voice 7: that would depend a lot on.

[4:21:57] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, at the moment, I think we want to cancel this meeting

[4:21:59] Trustee Luckham: and because we're not going to hold two meetings

[4:22:02] Trustee Luckham: a week apart, so let's see what the next meeting looks like

[4:22:08] Trustee Luckham: and we'll manage it accordingly.

[4:22:09] Trustee Luckham: So I'm going to call the vote on this motion.

[4:22:13] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[4:22:15] Trustee Luckham: Aye.

[4:22:16] Trustee Luckham: Any opposed?

[4:22:17] Voice 7: No, I'm not opposed.

[4:22:19] Trustee Luckham: I'm abstaining from voting for it.

[4:22:21] Trustee Luckham: None opposed.

[4:22:23] Trustee Luckham: And so that carries.

[4:22:25] Trustee Luckham: And so now I see down here you scripted in the LTC all special meeting on the same day as the community information public hearing.

[4:22:32] Trustee Luckham: So you want to have that at this moment, Senator Cower?

[4:22:37] Trustee Luckham: If

[4:22:38] Voice 9: that's the intent, yeah, that would be good.

[4:22:40] Trustee Luckham: Would

[4:22:41] Voice 9: one of you like to

[4:22:41] Trustee Luckham: advance that motion?

[4:22:45] Voice 6: I move that the Lusketia Island Local Trust Committee call a special meeting on the same

[4:22:49] Voice 6: day as the community information meeting and public hearing for the official community

[4:22:52] Voice 6: plan update.

[4:22:54] Trustee Luckham: So moved.

[4:22:55] Trustee Luckham: Do I have a seconder?

[4:22:57] Voice 6: I'll second.

[4:22:58] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Trustee Johnson.

[4:23:00] Trustee Luckham: Any discussion?

[4:23:02] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[4:23:04] Voice 7: Aye.

[4:23:05] Trustee Luckham: That carries also.

[4:23:07] Trustee Luckham: So thank you very much.

[4:23:08] Trustee Luckham: so that concludes our agenda for today my

[4:23:12] Voice 7: goodness yeah

[4:23:14] Trustee Luckham: I want to thank you

[4:23:15] Trustee Luckham: all very much that was good work today I'm really glad we've advanced the OCP

[4:23:22] Trustee Luckham: and next time we're gonna see we're gonna have an exciting community

[4:23:26] Trustee Luckham: information meeting in a public hearing which is always exciting it's one of the

[4:23:31] Trustee Luckham: big moments and looking really looking forward to ideally be being back in your

[4:23:36] Trustee Luckham: community so i want to thank the public i want to thank the trustees i want to thank staff hey have

[4:23:40] Trustee Luckham: a great afternoon i'll call for a german i move all those in favor

[4:23:47] Voice 6: second vote in favor

[4:23:48] Voice 6: thanks

[4:23:49] Voice 6: so much peter and heather and will and dave thank you heather thank you bye

[4:23:55] Voice 6: well have a great day