Islands Trust Council community information meeting, July 8, 2021

[0:00:00] Trustee Luckham: live streaming here today and also attendees that have joined us online.

[0:00:11] Trustee Luckham: It's a beautiful morning here in Victoria. The power is on and I do want to acknowledge that

[0:00:20] Trustee Luckham: there was some difficulty

[0:00:22] Trustee Luckham: with last night's meeting in power on the Solingo Islands and

[0:00:25] Trustee Luckham: And I'll touch on that a bit more later.

[0:00:27] Trustee Luckham: My name is Peter Luckham.

[0:00:29] Trustee Luckham: I'm elected on the Thetis Island Trust Area in the Penelakot and Lackson Territory of the Salish Sea.

[0:00:36] Trustee Luckham: I'm grateful to live on Thetis Island, and I'm grateful to be the chair of the Islands Trust.

[0:00:45] Trustee Luckham: So before we begin, I want to acknowledge that we're meeting across the Coast Salish Sea in what is Coast Salish Territory.

[0:00:54] Trustee Luckham: These islands are the home land to many First Nations that have lived and thrived here since

[0:00:59] Trustee Luckham: time immemorial. These are difficult times with discoveries across the nation with respect to

[0:01:10] Trustee Luckham: unmarked graves and children at residential schools and I know our thoughts go out to

[0:01:18] Trustee Luckham: all the communities and people that are impacted by these discoveries the startling truth of

[0:01:26] Trustee Luckham: events in our past and we will move forward and in supporting the nations and the people

[0:01:36] Trustee Luckham: victims of these times thank you for that so for members of the public we have 26 trustees

[0:01:48] Trustee Luckham: elected from the trust area with us today

[0:01:51] Trustee Luckham: for this special meeting to consider

[0:01:54] Trustee Luckham: draft bylaw number 183.

[0:01:56] Trustee Luckham: And we've certainly received a lot of information

[0:02:00] Trustee Luckham: from the public on this topic

[0:02:02] Trustee Luckham: and the town hall session yesterday

[0:02:04] Trustee Luckham: was very rewarding and fulfilling.

[0:02:07] Trustee Luckham: We heard a lot of good information

[0:02:10] Trustee Luckham: that will help us inform our decision.

[0:02:13] Trustee Luckham: Before I move forward,

[0:02:16] Trustee Luckham: I just want to introduce trustees

[0:02:17] Trustee Luckham: trustees and perhaps you could just give us a wave. It seems like a bit of repetition from

[0:02:23] Trustee Luckham: yesterday, but some members of the public may not be with us, may not have been with us last night.

[0:02:36] Trustee Luckham: So I'm going to start just as I did last night by region. So Gambier Island, just give us a wave.

[0:02:42] Trustee Luckham: If you have a remark, please go ahead.

[0:02:45] Trustee Luckham: Kate Louise Stanford.

[0:02:46] Trustee Stamford: I'm ready now.

[0:02:48] Trustee Stamford: Thank you, Chair Luckom.

[0:02:50] Trustee Stamford: Speaking to you from.

[0:02:53] Trustee Luckham: Right.

[0:02:54] Trustee Luckham: And Dan Rogers in the Good Island Coast area.

[0:02:59] Trustee Luckham: From Bowen Island, there's Sue Ellen Fast.

[0:03:03] Trustee Fast: Good morning from Nkwalaqwam, or Kwalaqwam,

[0:03:06] Trustee Fast: also known as Bowen Island and Kitsom Howe Sound.

[0:03:09] Trustee Luckham: And Michael Kale.

[0:03:11] Voice 34: Good morning from Bowen Island.

[0:03:13] Trustee Luckham: From Hornby Island, we have Alex Allen.

[0:03:18] Voice 34: Good

[0:03:18] Trustee Allen: morning from Hornby Island in the unceded territory of Kalamak's First Nations.

[0:03:23] Voice 22: And Grant Scott.

[0:03:25] Trustee Scott: Good morning from Hornby.

[0:03:28] Voice 22: On Denman Island, we have Laura Beshaken.

[0:03:33] Voice 22: And Dave, your mic is muted.

[0:03:35] Voice 22: And Dave.

[0:03:38] Voice 22: Hi,

[0:03:39] Trustee Busheikin: from Kleistich, Denman Island.

[0:03:41] Trustee Critchley: And David Kutzley.

[0:03:44] Trustee Critchley: Thank you.

[0:03:45] Trustee Critchley: Good morning from Denman.

[0:03:46] Trustee Critchley: All

[0:03:48] Trustee Luckham: right, so Gabriola Island, Scott Colburn, Case Alangarice.

[0:03:56] Voice 13: Good morning, from Tsunemu First Nation Territory.

[0:04:03] Voice 13: A

[0:04:03] Trustee Luckham: little bit of a slow connection there from Gabriola this morning, Case.

[0:04:07] Trustee Luckham: So Galliano Island, Tahira Rockefeller, and Jane Wilberton.

[0:04:15] Voice 16: From Galliano, home of the Coast Salish Peoples.

[0:04:19] Trustee Luckham: Good morning.

[0:04:19] Trustee Luckham: And Laskiti Island is Peter Johnson and Tim Peterson.

[0:04:29] Trustee Luckham: And Edith's Island, Doug Fenton.

[0:04:33] Trustee Luckham: And, of course, myself and my home.

[0:04:37] Trustee Luckham: South Spring Island, Peter Grove.

[0:04:40] Trustee Luckham: Hello.

[0:04:42] Voice 10: And Laura Patrick.

[0:04:44] Voice 31: Oh, hi.

[0:04:44] Voice 31: It's Mary Grove again.

[0:04:45] Voice 31: I'm sorry we got cut off.

[0:04:46] Voice 31: I'm at the ferry.

[0:04:47] Voice 31: But anyway, I'm just wondering if you would kindly take my cell phone number in case.

[0:04:53] Voice 31: to get that or to say that they can't reach me or something i i don't know so

[0:04:59] Trustee Luckham: we're going to

[0:05:00] Trustee Luckham: meet you at the moment i'm sorry we're in the middle of the meeting here i'm not even sure

[0:05:05] Trustee Luckham: who that is i miss muted him it's peter's wife

[0:05:08] Trustee Luckham: pass on a phone number okay so uh uh so laura

[0:05:16] Trustee Luckham: patrick i think i saw you wave thank you laura our main island um is janine dodds and uh david

[0:05:26] Trustee Luckham: Good morning from Main Island. Thank you, David. North Pender Island, Ben McConkie.

[0:05:33] Trustee McConchie: Morning, guys, from Stas or North Pender Island.

[0:05:36] Trustee Luckham: Morning, Deb Morrison.

[0:05:38] Trustee Luckham: Good morning from Stas. Morning. South Pender Island is Cameron Thorne.

[0:05:45] Trustee Luckham: And South Pender Island, also Steve Wright. And Saterna Island is Paul Brent.

[0:05:54] Trustee Luckham: good

[0:05:56] Voice 10: morning from sunny saturn and

[0:05:58] Voice 22: lee middleton all right

[0:06:05] Trustee Luckham: everyone um so uh thank you once again

[0:06:09] Trustee Luckham: um everybody and members of the public for joining us um i just want to you know uh we don't have

[0:06:18] Trustee Luckham: a uh town hall session scheduled today um um and no plans at this uh table in the boardroom here

[0:06:27] Trustee Luckham: for that given that um we have been unable to advise the public that such an event might be

[0:06:35] Trustee Luckham: happening um it's unfortunate that the power went out um uh last night it sort of came on a little

[0:06:42] Trustee Luckham: bit quite a bit later and then maybe at the very end it was on but of course it was too late for

[0:06:47] Trustee Luckham: people to get into the queue to speak and all that sort of thing um certainly um we can consider

[0:06:53] Trustee Luckham: It's difficult to obviously consider how we might spontaneously create another opportunity.

[0:07:01] Trustee Luckham: And of course, there was some criticism that we should have canceled the meeting when the power went out.

[0:07:07] Trustee Luckham: But of course, with 26 trustees, well, 22 trustees, 23 trustees, it turned out in the end that we're still remaining, as well as the number of staff observing.

[0:07:17] Trustee Luckham: and 136 participants that some who had made specific plans

[0:07:21] Trustee Luckham: to be with us last night.

[0:07:24] Trustee Luckham: It did seem to me that we should continue

[0:07:28] Trustee Luckham: and consider how it is that we might solicit feedback

[0:07:31] Trustee Luckham: from those people that were unable to communicate

[0:07:33] Trustee Luckham: with us last night.

[0:07:36] Trustee Luckham: And certainly as we're presuming that we're advancing

[0:07:40] Trustee Luckham: in some fashion here on this statement, policy statement,

[0:07:44] Trustee Luckham: There will be in-person opportunities for dialogue to continue.

[0:07:51] Trustee Luckham: And so we will be conscious of wanting to make up that loss of opportunity on Saterna, primarily Saterna, Maine and North and South Pender.

[0:08:01] Trustee Luckham: And I hope that that's satisfactory and certainly open to some suggestions or recommendations.

[0:08:07] Trustee Luckham: recommendations. I'm just going to go briefly at this moment because I'm speaking with you,

[0:08:16] Trustee Luckham: the elected trustees, and that is going to be our participation today. It's really critically

[0:08:21] Trustee Luckham: important that this be a safe workplace. And let's speak to the issues. Let's not speak to

[0:08:27] Trustee Luckham: individuals or even groups of individuals. Let's speak to the issues. In order for this to be safe

[0:08:37] Trustee Luckham: and for people not to be offended

[0:08:39] Trustee Luckham: or misinterpret anything that you might say.

[0:08:42] Trustee Luckham: There were some suggestions that my statement last night

[0:08:45] Trustee Luckham: was a little over the top, we'll say,

[0:08:49] Trustee Luckham: because people have not experienced

[0:08:50] Trustee Luckham: the kind of behavior I'm speaking about

[0:08:53] Trustee Luckham: in a public meeting.

[0:08:54] Trustee Luckham: But I think all of you know it does happen,

[0:08:57] Trustee Luckham: has happened, and we need to not let it happen.

[0:09:00] Trustee Luckham: So that's all I'm going to say on that topic

[0:09:03] Trustee Luckham: because, indeed, you don't need to hear any more from me.

[0:09:12] Trustee Luckham: However, there was some suggestion that it should be more scripted.

[0:09:17] Trustee Luckham: And personally, I feel a message that's important needs to be from the heart

[0:09:22] Trustee Luckham: and from who you are and isn't necessarily best scripted.

[0:09:26] Trustee Luckham: I do the best I can under the circumstances and will do better.

[0:09:30] Trustee Luckham: So any apologies to anybody that was offended,

[0:09:32] Trustee Luckham: it but the message is still the same let's be respectful kind and maintain civility um

[0:09:42] Trustee Luckham: one final note let's try i'm gonna try my best to go slowly here let's uh think about what actions

[0:09:51] Trustee Luckham: we have i know there's a number of you that have some motions in your back pockets and ideas of

[0:09:57] Trustee Luckham: motions that are out there and uh feelings about uh advancing or suspending or delaying

[0:10:02] Trustee Luckham: and otherwise I would like to provide the opportunity for us to all hear what certainly

[0:10:10] Trustee Luckham: the chair of TPC has to say and what opportunities there are to entertain questions certainly happy

[0:10:17] Trustee Luckham: to entertain motions and some of those motions may include as you've seen in emails received

[0:10:23] Trustee Luckham: in the last couple of days suggested amendments to the document and if in any way shape or form

[0:10:30] Trustee Luckham: and we want to advance this in any direction whatsoever,

[0:10:34] Trustee Luckham: I think it will be helpful to everybody

[0:10:36] Trustee Luckham: that if there are amendments that you think need to be made

[0:10:39] Trustee Luckham: or topics or items that need to be removed,

[0:10:43] Trustee Luckham: now today would be the time to do that.

[0:10:46] Trustee Luckham: And so I'll leave that with you

[0:10:49] Trustee Luckham: to consider how you're going to move forward.

[0:10:53] Trustee Luckham: So we have an agenda before us.

[0:10:55] Trustee Luckham: It's fairly short.

[0:10:58] Trustee Luckham: There's really only two items on the agenda.

[0:11:02] Trustee Luckham: including the adoption of minutes from the previous meeting

[0:11:05] Trustee Luckham: on top of adopting the minutes from the previous meeting.

[0:11:08] Trustee Luckham: So I'm just going to simply ask at this time,

[0:11:11] Trustee Luckham: are there any new items that you wish to put onto the agenda?

[0:11:16] Trustee Luckham: Keeping in mind that anything you might want to put on the agenda

[0:11:20] Trustee Luckham: if the public is not aware of it,

[0:11:23] Trustee Luckham: we may be criticized for not consulting or advising people

[0:11:27] Trustee Luckham: of what it is we're going to do.

[0:11:29] Trustee Luckham: so i'm going to ask one more time outside of motions to amend or otherwise associated with

[0:11:35] Trustee Luckham: the policy statement draft that's here we'll entertain motions on that topic is there any

[0:11:41] Trustee Luckham: new items today any new business and if you show

[0:11:44] Trustee Luckham: me a digital hand i see trustee allen has his hand

[0:11:48] Trustee Luckham: up um so yes new business it's

[0:11:53] Trustee Allen: not new business i just noticed is there a scheduled break

[0:11:55] Trustee Allen: at all

[0:11:57] Trustee Luckham: so thank you uh trustee alan that was on my list right here and i uh skipped over it i i

[0:12:04] Trustee Luckham: am planning with your permission that let's go uh from not now 9 till 10 30 let's have a 15 minute

[0:12:12] Trustee Luckham: break at 10 30 and then let's break around 12 or 12 15 or something and let's have a half an hour

[0:12:19] Trustee Luckham: break there for a kind of a lunch or pause recess and then let's pick it up again at say 12 30 or

[0:12:27] Trustee Luckham: 12 45 um and then we will continue to what is scheduled to our adjournment at two o'clock

[0:12:34] Trustee Luckham: depending upon your appetite for conversation um that may extend beyond that time um although i

[0:12:42] Trustee Luckham: want to respect that when we go beyond this the advertised adjournment time it does disrupt

[0:12:48] Trustee Luckham: people's other plans.

[0:12:51] Trustee Luckham: And so I will aim for conclusion at two o'clock today.

[0:12:59] Trustee Luckham: And then it will be up to you to determine

[0:13:01] Trustee Luckham: whether or not you want to run into overtime

[0:13:03] Trustee Luckham: and whether or not you want to impact

[0:13:05] Trustee Luckham: those that have other plans at two o'clock today.

[0:13:10] Trustee Luckham: So thank you, Trustee Allen for asking that.

[0:13:12] Trustee Luckham: Is that okay with council and general nod and consent?

[0:13:16] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, okay.

[0:13:17] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you, everybody.

[0:13:19] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Trustee Allen.

[0:13:20] Trustee Luckham: So again, any new business, otherwise?

[0:13:25] Trustee Luckham: I'm looking for digital hands.

[0:13:27] Trustee Luckham: I'm looking for a couple of analog hands

[0:13:29] Trustee Luckham: that I know don't have that opportunity.

[0:13:32] Trustee Luckham: Oh, and I see Trustee McConkie.

[0:13:34] Trustee Luckham: Yeah,

[0:13:34] Trustee McConchie: just briefly, Chair Locke.

[0:13:35] Trustee McConchie: I just want to reflect a couple of emails I got,

[0:13:37] Trustee McConchie: which alluded to the fact that a lot of people

[0:13:39] Trustee McConchie: didn't get a chance to speak

[0:13:40] Trustee McConchie: because the power went out last night.

[0:13:42] Trustee McConchie: And also, you know, there was still a speaker's list

[0:13:44] Trustee McConchie: that was still happening after 9.15.

[0:13:46] Trustee McConchie: So I'm not sure if trust council

[0:13:49] Trustee McConchie: know if we're okay with that going forward or should we have a small town hall this morning

[0:13:53] Trustee McConchie: to hear from folks uh who weren't able to be heard uh yesterday i wasn't clear on that

[0:13:58] Trustee Luckham: okay uh thank

[0:14:00] Trustee Luckham: you ben and that reminds me of one other item um let me just remind mention the other item um and

[0:14:09] Trustee Luckham: then i'll answer your question um it occurs in this conversation about how this meeting might

[0:14:15] Trustee Luckham: unfold and what expectations were um there is consideration that we should have a bit of a

[0:14:20] Trustee Luckham: round table at the beginning here before we jump into the um policy statement specifically i think

[0:14:26] Trustee Luckham: and um i'm happy to consider that if we if it seems appropriate um but the intent of that would

[0:14:34] Trustee Luckham: be to get to a place where we're prepared to advance the um the um the policy statement but

[0:14:43] Trustee Luckham: In answer to your question there, we haven't indicated to the public anywhere that there's

[0:14:48] Trustee Luckham: going to be a town hall here today. It would be hard to imagine that those people, we did not

[0:14:54] Trustee Luckham: maintain a speaker's list after the meeting closed. And so there's no way to know who was

[0:15:00] Trustee Luckham: or was not on that list or who was or was not here. And if we open up a town hall session,

[0:15:06] Trustee Luckham: I think we would be obligated to hear from everybody

[0:15:10] Trustee Luckham: and we have not allowed for that today

[0:15:13] Trustee Luckham: in the time that we have available,

[0:15:16] Trustee Luckham: but the EC will consider what it will do

[0:15:21] Trustee Luckham: with the absence of those points of view

[0:15:23] Trustee Luckham: that might have been expressed.

[0:15:28] Trustee Luckham: So that's my answer.

[0:15:29] Trustee Luckham: It's, that's a difficulty, unexpected difficulty

[0:15:32] Trustee Luckham: that we don't have the capacity to alter at this time.

[0:15:39] Trustee Luckham: So if that's all right, any new business?

[0:15:44] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so then let's adopt the agenda as presented

[0:15:48] Trustee Luckham: by general consent and I thank you for that.

[0:15:52] Trustee Luckham: So the first item of business then is the draft minutes

[0:15:58] Trustee Luckham: of June the 8th and 9th and I'll ask if there's any changes

[0:16:02] Trustee Luckham: to those minutes, otherwise I'll look for a motion

[0:16:05] Trustee Luckham: to adopt the minutes as presented.

[0:16:08] Trustee Luckham: Any

[0:16:08] Voice 3: changes to the minutes?

[0:16:10] Voice 3: Point of order, Paul Brent.

[0:16:12] Voice 3: Yes, sir.

[0:16:13] Voice 3: You just finished discussing the fact

[0:16:15] Voice 3: that potentially having a round table

[0:16:16] Voice 3: and now we're going forth with the approval of the agenda.

[0:16:21] Voice 3: So I'd like to consider that round table.

[0:16:25] Voice 3: I think there were a lot of people

[0:16:27] Voice 3: that were unable to speak.

[0:16:29] Voice 3: We've received emails expressing frustration.

[0:16:32] Voice 3: I think a roundtable might be appropriate, given the fact that we're not going to be hearing again from our constituents on this matter.

[0:16:43] Trustee Luckham: Right. Well, thank

[0:16:44] Trustee Luckham: you. And I think I suggested that we would do that in 4.2 on the policy statement.

[0:16:51] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Brent, does that meet your expectations?

[0:16:56] Voice 3: I would like to see that as before the discussion of the policy statement, quite honestly, to set the stage.

[0:17:03] Voice 3: um

[0:17:05] Trustee Luckham: yep so um so what are you suggesting then that we amend the agenda to have a round table

[0:17:12] Trustee Luckham: uh between 4.1 4.2 or

[0:17:16] Voice 3: at the start of business items 4.0 okay

[0:17:19] Trustee Luckham: um so therefore um

[0:17:29] Voice 20: yeah so

[0:17:35] Trustee Luckham: therefore i think i want to

[0:17:37] Trustee Luckham: ask council if that's their desire i've given the time that

[0:17:40] that

[0:17:40] Trustee Luckham: we have available.

[0:17:41] Trustee Luckham: And so then, so just revisiting for a moment,

[0:17:47] Trustee Luckham: the adoption of the agenda, there's a proposal to,

[0:17:52] Trustee Luckham: and maybe that should be a motion in order to make it clear

[0:17:56] Trustee Luckham: that a new business item be added

[0:17:58] Trustee Luckham: and we can simply take a vote on it

[0:18:00] Trustee Luckham: and the

[0:18:00] Voice 3: majority will win.

[0:18:02] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Brandt.

[0:18:03] Voice 3: Okay, I'll move that we add under business items 4.0,

[0:18:08] Voice 3: 0, Trustee Roundtable.

[0:18:12] Voice 3: Second.

[0:18:13] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so that was moved and seconded by Trustee McConkie.

[0:18:17] Trustee Luckham: Is there any discussion or shall I just call the vote?

[0:18:20] Trustee Luckham: I see Trustee Morrison.

[0:18:25] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[0:18:28] Trustee Morrison: I'm happy and I think it's worthwhile

[0:18:31] Trustee Morrison: to hear Trustee Roundtable.

[0:18:34] Trustee Morrison: I want to make sure that we use it as a Roundtable

[0:18:39] Trustee Morrison: if it's meant to be that way

[0:18:41] Trustee Morrison: and that we all understand that

[0:18:43] Trustee Morrison: because my concern is that we will get wildly off track on conversations that are not actually

[0:18:50] Trustee Morrison: furthering our work and making decisions about whether we, you know, postpone consultation,

[0:18:55] Trustee Morrison: change consultation and change the trust policy statement, and that we're spending a lot of time

[0:19:01] Trustee Morrison: talking in generalities, but not getting into details. And that I think is really what we need

[0:19:07] Trustee Morrison: to do today right

[0:19:10] Trustee Luckham: thank you chair morrison and um i guess the reason i was reflecting that that

[0:19:15] Trustee Luckham: might be in 4.2 is because i would like to provide the opportunity to the chair of trust programs

[0:19:20] Trustee Luckham: committee to introduce this topic and that introduction may be helpful so um i'm inclined

[0:19:30] Trustee Luckham: actually at the beginning of the round table to ask trustee morrison that would be a 4.2 though

[0:19:35] Trustee Luckham: but that would be 4.2 is what I'm being advised here.

[0:19:40] Trustee Luckham: So, okay, well, we have a motion on the table.

[0:19:42] Trustee Luckham: The suggestion is that this could all happen within 4.2.

[0:19:48] Trustee Luckham: Everybody would have an opportunity to speak to that,

[0:19:50] Trustee Luckham: but we have a motion to add an item at 4.0,

[0:19:53] Trustee Luckham: which is trustee round table.

[0:19:54] Trustee Luckham: And just keep in mind what chair Morrison has said.

[0:19:59] Trustee Luckham: Is there any other discussion?

[0:20:00] Trustee Luckham: I would like to move to a vote

[0:20:03] Trustee Luckham: in order to get on with business today. But Trustee Middleton, Stamford, Peterson.

[0:20:11] Trustee Middleton: Thank you, Chair. A question of clarification. The mover mentioned the need to hear from

[0:20:17] Trustee Middleton: constituents who weren't able to speak last night due to the power cut.

[0:20:22] Trustee Middleton: I'm just wondering if a roundtable of trustees was perhaps not what was intended, but rather space

[0:20:30] Trustee Middleton: space for any constituents who may be listening to this live stream today who wanted to speak

[0:20:39] Trustee Middleton: yesterday but didn't get a chance could speak today. I just want to clarify if the mover meant

[0:20:44] Trustee Middleton: we hear from trustees or he meant to provide space for the constituents who weren't able to

[0:20:50] Trustee Middleton: speak to speak today. Thank you.

[0:20:52] Trustee Luckham: Thank you for seeking that clarification. My expectations

[0:20:56] Trustee Luckham: We're talking about trustees. Honestly, I don't think we can rightfully have a town hall, which is what I would call that, without proper notification and without actually knowing who was here and who was not here yesterday.

[0:21:14] Trustee Luckham: So for clarity, for the mover and the seconder, we're talking about trustee roundtable. Is that correct?

[0:21:22] Trustee Luckham: in

[0:21:24] Voice 3: the absence of being able to hear from the public that were unable to attend because of

[0:21:30] Voice 3: technical difficulties i guess that's one thing i yes this is uh it is an imperfect

[0:21:37] Voice 3: situation but that's what i intended trustee

[0:21:42] Trustee Luckham: brent you're absolutely right it's was out of

[0:21:44] Trustee Luckham: our control but definitely imperfect not perfect and um we will do what we can to make up for that

[0:21:53] Trustee Luckham: so speakers on the motion to have a trustee round table at 4.0 I've got Stanford Peterson

[0:22:01] Trustee Luckham: and and then I would like to call the vote simply yes or no whether or not we want to have this

[0:22:05] Trustee Luckham: go ahead trustee Stanford yes

[0:22:09] Trustee Stamford: I just want to say this makes more sense sitting under 4.2 I'm not

[0:22:12] Trustee Stamford: sure why it's sitting above trustee Critchley's motion as that to me is a different but important

[0:22:20] Trustee Stamford: important subject.

[0:22:22] Trustee Luckham: So not hearing an amendment,

[0:22:25] Trustee Luckham: then I think that I'll go to the next speaker,

[0:22:29] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Peterson.

[0:22:32] Voice 26: Thank you, yes, I was going to ask for an amendment

[0:22:37] Voice 26: to change 4.0 to 4.2.

[0:22:40] Voice 26: So I move that the motion be amended from 4.0 to 4.2.

[0:22:46] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so moved and seconded by Trustee Fass.

[0:22:51] Trustee Luckham: um on the amendment now we're amending that to move this from 4.0 to 4.2 so it lines up with

[0:22:57] Trustee Luckham: the policy statement draft um and i'll ask if there's any speaker or this does the mover wish

[0:23:05] Trustee Luckham: to speak to the motion i mean i just

[0:23:09] Voice 26: it make just make makes more sense to me thank you thank you

[0:23:13] Trustee Luckham: any speakers up to the motion and digital hands will help me a lot um and i'm looking for those

[0:23:19] Trustee Luckham: that i know that are on phones digital hands so no speakers to the motion um all those in favor

[0:23:26] Trustee Luckham: of the amendment to the motion which is to move it from 4.0 to 4.2 all

[0:23:38] Voice 11: those in favor all right

[0:23:43] Trustee Luckham: i'm seeing it settling out at 21 including myself and i'll ask you to lower your hands and raise

[0:23:52] Trustee Luckham: Raise your hands if you're opposed.

[0:23:54] Trustee Luckham: However, it will carry.

[0:24:03] Trustee Luckham: All right, so that's two opposed by the looks of it.

[0:24:08] Trustee Luckham: So thank you very much.

[0:24:09] Trustee Luckham: That carries.

[0:24:11] Trustee Luckham: So therefore we've got an amendment to a motion.

[0:24:14] Trustee Luckham: And so now there's a motion to include a round table

[0:24:17] Trustee Luckham: at 4.2.

[0:24:19] Trustee Luckham: And if there's no further discussion, Trustee Brent,

[0:24:24] Trustee Luckham: your hand is up still, gone now.

[0:24:32] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you.

[0:24:33] Trustee Luckham: So then I'll call the vote on inserting a new business item, 4.2, which is a trustee roundtable.

[0:24:41] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[0:24:42] Trustee Luckham: That would be 24, 125 on the screen.

[0:24:57] Trustee Luckham: So it looks like that carries for sure.

[0:25:00] Trustee Luckham: Any opposed?

[0:25:09] Trustee Luckham: Any opposed?

[0:25:10] Trustee Luckham: I see two hands up.

[0:25:13] Trustee Luckham: Robin Critchley.

[0:25:17] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you.

[0:25:18] Trustee Luckham: So that carries.

[0:25:19] Trustee Luckham: So therefore, now we have an amended agenda.

[0:25:22] Trustee Luckham: Is there any other changes to the agenda?

[0:25:25] Trustee Luckham: Can I get a motion to adopt the agenda?

[0:25:31] Trustee Luckham: That's moved by Trustee Fass, seconded by Trustee Wright.

[0:25:36] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[0:25:38] Trustee Luckham: Any discussion?

[0:25:41] Voice 3: Yes, should be moving the agenda as amended

[0:25:44] Voice 3: as opposed to moving the agenda.

[0:25:46] Trustee Luckham: Oh, thank you very much, Trustee Brent.

[0:25:48] Trustee Luckham: indeed moving uh the trustee isn't the agenda has amended so thank you um all those in favor

[0:26:07] Trustee Luckham: 22 in favor lower your hands any opposed looks like one opposed trustee mcconkey to adopting

[0:26:26] Trustee Luckham: the agenda all right uh thank you everybody um so then let us

[0:26:32] Trustee McConchie: i was not opposed chair

[0:26:33] Trustee McConchie: lockham i was not opposed to that it was just a technical thing you

[0:26:37] Trustee Luckham: are opposed or not no i'm not

[0:26:39] Trustee McConchie: opposed okay thank you

[0:26:40] Trustee McConchie: let's get on with it here we go

[0:26:42] Trustee Luckham: okay yeah yeah perfect thank you um so let's

[0:26:46] Trustee Luckham: get on with that thank you so this brings us to item 4.1 um uh trustee critchley motion um and

[0:26:55] Trustee Luckham: And I'll ask the Trustee Critchley, who's brought this.

[0:27:00] Trustee Luckham: What about the minutes?

[0:27:03] Voice 20: I'm sorry, Skip.

[0:27:05] Voice 20: Yeah, we'd already adopted the agenda, then we went to the minutes.

[0:27:08] Voice 20: Now we're back to the agenda, and now we're going to tickle up the minutes.

[0:27:11] Voice 20: Thank you for that.

[0:27:12] Voice 20: Thank

[0:27:13] Trustee Luckham: you, everybody, for working with me here.

[0:27:15] Trustee Luckham: It's a little unusual.

[0:27:17] Trustee Luckham: So adoption of the minutes June 8th to 9th are in the package.

[0:27:21] Trustee Luckham: Are there any changes to the minutes?

[0:27:25] Trustee Luckham: Not seeing any hands up.

[0:27:27] Trustee Luckham: digital or otherwise i'll call for the vote on adoption of the minutes of june the 8th

[0:27:32] Trustee Luckham: as presented sorry i don't believe

[0:27:34] Voice 21: you've got ellen

[0:27:36] Trustee Luckham: and wright allen and wright moved and

[0:27:38] Trustee Luckham: seconded and uh so then let me call the vote on on uh on the adopting the minutes of june the 8th

[0:27:46] Trustee Luckham: and 9th as presented all those in favor and lower your hands that's like 24 any opposed to adoption

[0:28:01] Trustee Luckham: Adoption of the minutes, none adopting the minutes.

[0:28:04] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much.

[0:28:05] Trustee Luckham: And I obviously needed more coffee this morning.

[0:28:08] Trustee Luckham: So I've got my mug now.

[0:28:11] Trustee Luckham: So here we are trustee Chrisley 4.1 motion

[0:28:14] Trustee Luckham: and trustee Chrisley, you want to introduce your topic?

[0:28:19] Trustee Critchley: Yes, thank you chair.

[0:28:21] Trustee Critchley: So what I propose is I will read the motion,

[0:28:26] Trustee Critchley: make the motion, seek a seconder.

[0:28:28] Trustee Critchley: And if it's seconded,

[0:28:29] Trustee Critchley: then I would like to speak briefly to it.

[0:28:31] Trustee Critchley: So I move that Trust Council affirms its understanding that preservation and protection of the natural environment is central to the mandate of the Islands Trust, and that this responsibility must be given special and profound consideration in all our decisions and in all we do.

[0:28:52] Trustee Luckham: That's the motion that's moved. I see Trustee Boucherkin is seconding that motion. Thank you, Trustee Boucherkin.

[0:28:58] Trustee Luckham: And the motion is up on the screen there and thank you for preparing this in advance and getting this here.

[0:29:06] Trustee Luckham: And I'll ask now for you to speak to your motion.

[0:29:10] Trustee Critchley: Thank you. So as trustees will know, but perhaps members of the audience will not know,

[0:29:18] Trustee Critchley: there's a little bit of history to this going back to Trust Council in March when there was a motion passed

[0:29:25] Trustee Critchley: affirming Trust Council's understanding

[0:29:28] Trustee Critchley: that the preserve and protect mandate included

[0:29:31] Trustee Critchley: an obligation to preserve and protect communities

[0:29:35] Trustee Critchley: and other matters.

[0:29:38] Trustee Critchley: So in response to that, I made a motion

[0:29:40] Trustee Critchley: that the preservation of the preservation

[0:29:45] Trustee Critchley: and protection of natural environment should be paramount.

[0:29:51] Trustee Critchley: That motion failed.

[0:29:53] Trustee Critchley: perhaps the concept of paramount sea

[0:30:00] Trustee Critchley: frightened some people. Perhaps the interpretation of that word was something that trustees were not

[0:30:09] Trustee Critchley: willing to adopt. So the result was that it appeared to me to be embarrassing to the trust

[0:30:16] Trustee Critchley: to essentially then resulting in the inference perhaps that the trust did not take preservation

[0:30:27] Trustee Critchley: and protection of the natural environment,

[0:30:30] Trustee Critchley: all that seriously or high in the ordering of things.

[0:30:34] Trustee Critchley: So I would have to give credit to my colleague,

[0:30:39] Trustee Critchley: Dan Rogers for getting in touch with me

[0:30:41] Trustee Critchley: and suggesting that we try to seek some common ground

[0:30:45] Trustee Critchley: and bring forward another motion,

[0:30:48] Trustee Critchley: which perhaps might be more acceptable to trust council

[0:30:52] Trustee Critchley: by which we would set out our understanding

[0:30:56] Trustee Critchley: of the the role of natural environment in our work so this is the the work product of of those

[0:31:05] Trustee Critchley: discussions um as as noted it came up at our trust council meeting in september i wasn't

[0:31:14] Trustee Critchley: intending to present it at that time trustees did get a preview of it then and there seemed to be

[0:31:21] Trustee Critchley: some some willingness to have it considered at this meeting so hence it's on this agenda

[0:31:29] Trustee Critchley: the the wording has been out there for for some time now I can say I've only had one person who

[0:31:38] Trustee Critchley: has really contacted me to offer suggestion of change well actually two people and

[0:31:46] Trustee Critchley: And I've explained why I didn't want to make the changes that were mentioned.

[0:31:53] Trustee Critchley: And those seem to have been accepted by the people who were proposing them.

[0:31:59] Trustee Critchley: So anyway, here it is.

[0:32:02] Trustee Critchley: I'm hoping we're not going to get into a massive wordsmithing contest here that's going to take the rest of the day.

[0:32:09] Trustee Critchley: But I'd certainly be interested to hear what people have to say.

[0:32:12] Trustee Critchley: And I thank you for allowing this to be on the agenda today.

[0:32:18] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, David Critchley. And indeed, I certainly hope we don't have to take the rest of the day because we've got a very important business item ahead of us. So speakers on the motion, and I see two hands up so far. And we'll begin with Trustee Brent, followed by Trustee Bishaykin.

[0:32:39] Voice 3: Hi. I want to thank Trustee Critchley for bringing forward this motion. I know he spent a lot of time thinking about it. I have a question of Trustee Critchley, and it's a very simple one. Do you consider human beings as part of the natural environment?

[0:32:57] Trustee Critchley: Certainly.

[0:32:59] Voice 3: Thank you. That's all I really want. I'd like that, my question, and Trustee Critchley's response recorded in the minutes, please.

[0:33:08] Voice 3: Very much.

[0:33:09] Trustee Luckham: Got that, Laurie?

[0:33:12] Trustee Luckham: Yes.

[0:33:12] Trustee Luckham: uh it will be done um so other speakers on the motion is trustee be shaken and scott i'll ask

[0:33:19] Trustee Luckham: you to lower your hand trustee grant

[0:33:22] Trustee Busheikin: thank you i want to thank uh trustee critchley uh for uh

[0:33:28] Trustee Busheikin: working so hard on this and trustee rogers for indeed reaching out to him and i um you know i

[0:33:34] Trustee Busheikin: just i want to i want to talk about our feelings um you know we're here to think and we're seen as

[0:33:40] Trustee Busheikin: you know we're calm well we're reasonably calm when people see us sitting around the table and

[0:33:45] Trustee Busheikin: sometimes maybe it's not obvious how how much this affects our our hearts and our feelings and i think

[0:33:53] Trustee Busheikin: that all of us found the uh the situation at last trust council or the one before uh that trustee

[0:34:01] Trustee Busheikin: critchley uh described um concerning and upsetting um a series of motions came forward but i think a

[0:34:08] Trustee Busheikin: a lot of us didn't feel ready for and the context by which they came forward for a number of people

[0:34:13] Trustee Busheikin: was difficult to deal with. And I was one of the people that voted against that original motion

[0:34:21] Trustee Busheikin: with the paramount scene. And I know that others who did, because we talked a bit, it was very

[0:34:28] Trustee Busheikin: difficult because it did seem, as Trustee Critchley said, embarrassing and didn't feel right. Voting

[0:34:35] Trustee Busheikin: Voting for it also didn't seem right, and I don't want to go into all the reasons for that.

[0:34:39] Trustee Busheikin: It does have a lot to do with particular words and context.

[0:34:42] Trustee Busheikin: And seeing this here and even just hearing it read aloud today gave me a lot of strong feelings of, well, of some relief.

[0:34:55] Trustee Busheikin: And just a sense of the connection that we all have to the mandate and wanting to be in right relationship to that mandate.

[0:35:04] Trustee Busheikin: And I really appreciate the work that's gone into this, and I'm very happy to be voting in favor of it.

[0:35:11] Trustee Busheikin: We've had lots of time to think about it. It's been worked out collaboratively, and I think it signals to ourselves and to our constituents and to people outside the trust area that we stand behind our mandate and that it's important to us.

[0:35:29] Trustee Busheikin: and yes humans are part of the natural environment um but to me in this motion the focus is not on

[0:35:38] Trustee Busheikin: that we had that in another motion about communities and that's great but for me the

[0:35:42] Trustee Busheikin: focus here primarily is on the things that are part of what we would call um nature the things

[0:35:49] Trustee Busheikin: that grow out of the ground um the things that fly around and run on the ground and live in the

[0:35:55] Trustee Busheikin: ground and in the air um uh alongside us humans um so um i i would urge everyone to vote in favor

[0:36:04] Trustee Busheikin: and i'm happy to vote in favor of this thank you

[0:36:08] Trustee Luckham: okay thank you

[0:36:10] Trustee Luckham: um so

[0:36:11] Trustee Luckham: speaker on speaker on the

[0:36:13] Trustee Luckham: motion um and if you can try and keep your points uh succinct and about the motion that would be

[0:36:19] Trustee Luckham: great and i'm not making a criticism here just conscious of timing and i'm gonna recognize uh

[0:36:27] Trustee Luckham: Grant Scott and then Janine Dodds has her hand up and I will acknowledge her after Scott because I

[0:36:34] Trustee Luckham: already included him in that thank you thank

[0:36:39] Trustee Scott: you David I just I'm very much in favor of this I

[0:36:44] Trustee Scott: just have a question given the importance of the marine environment around us and we seem to get

[0:36:48] Trustee Scott: lost all the time on the terrestrial and I'm just wondering if it wouldn't be before natural

[0:36:53] Trustee Scott: natural environment it didn't say the natural terrestrial and marine environment just to give

[0:36:59] Trustee Scott: emphasis to that marine which is so especially important around denman particularly but also

[0:37:05] Trustee Scott: all the islands thank you thank you that's a

[0:37:10] Trustee Critchley: question of that's a question for me i would say

[0:37:14] Trustee Critchley: that is a uh friendly amendment that i would support

[0:37:23] Trustee Scott: Okay, well, can I make that motion then, Chair Luckl?

[0:37:27] Trustee Scott: Yeah,

[0:37:28] Trustee Luckham: I think that if we're going to amend,

[0:37:30] Trustee Luckham: I would prefer that it be a formal amendment

[0:37:34] Trustee Luckham: rather than a friendly amendment.

[0:37:37] Trustee Luckham: And so can you make that motion to amend?

[0:37:41] Trustee Scott: Yes, I'd like to suggest that we change it

[0:37:43] Trustee Scott: to have that trust council affirms its understanding

[0:37:45] Trustee Scott: that preservation and protection of the natural,

[0:37:49] Trustee Scott: terrestrial and marine environments is central to the mandate of the island's trust

[0:37:55] Trustee Scott: thank

[0:38:01] Trustee Luckham: you so do i have a seconder for that amendment i see trustee fast

[0:38:08] Trustee Luckham: he was to speak to it further trustee scott no

[0:38:12] Trustee Scott: thank you so

[0:38:13] Trustee Luckham: now i'm going to go to

[0:38:15] Trustee Luckham: speakers on the amendment and i'll come back to you trustee dobbs on the motion

[0:38:21] Trustee Luckham: on the amendment any speakers i see trustee fast sure

[0:38:27] Trustee Fast: thank you i am i support this amendment

[0:38:30] Trustee Fast: because i think it makes it clearer um that this is about um the more about nature uh and less

[0:38:38] Trustee Fast: about humans and uh and it brings the marine into it thank you thank

[0:38:45] Trustee Luckham: you trustee fast any other

[0:38:47] Trustee Luckham: and the speakers on the amendment.

[0:38:51] Trustee Luckham: Not seeing any, I'm going to call Trustee Brands.

[0:38:58] Trustee Luckham: Are you wanting to speak on the amendment

[0:38:59] Trustee Luckham: or are we waiting for me to call the vote?

[0:39:02] Trustee Luckham: I was about to call on the amendment.

[0:39:06] Trustee Luckham: On the amendment.

[0:39:07] Voice 3: Thank you, Trustee Brand.

[0:39:09] Voice 3: So in relation to what Trustee Fass just said,

[0:39:14] Voice 3: I want to ask the mover, was it your intention,

[0:39:17] Voice 3: Attention, Trustee Scott, by adding the word and marine

[0:39:22] Voice 3: to diminish the importance of humans

[0:39:26] Voice 3: as part of the natural environment.

[0:39:28] Trustee Scott: Not a bit.

[0:39:30] Voice 3: Could I please have that recorded as well in the minutes?

[0:39:34] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:39:36] Trustee Luckham: Yes.

[0:39:37] Trustee Luckham: Okay, let us continue then.

[0:39:39] Trustee Luckham: Now, Trustee Allen,

[0:39:40] Trustee Luckham: were you wanting to speak on the amendment?

[0:39:45] Trustee Luckham: No, okay.

[0:39:46] Trustee Luckham: Then I'm going to then and seeing no further speakers

[0:39:50] Trustee Luckham: and you'll lower your hand, of course, Trustee Brent.

[0:39:52] Trustee Luckham: I will call for the vote on the amendment.

[0:39:56] Trustee Luckham: All right, that looks like 23 votes in favor

[0:40:10] Trustee Luckham: on the amendment.

[0:40:11] Trustee Luckham: I'll ask you to lower your hands

[0:40:13] Trustee Luckham: and ask those that wish to speak

[0:40:16] Trustee Luckham: or those that wish to vote opposed to the motion,

[0:40:19] Trustee Luckham: please raise your hand.

[0:40:23] Trustee Luckham: Those opposed to the, I've lost track now.

[0:40:28] Trustee Luckham: Were we on the amendment?

[0:40:31] Trustee Luckham: Okay, on the amendment,

[0:40:32] Trustee Luckham: those opposed to the amendment,

[0:40:34] Trustee Luckham: none opposed to the amendment.

[0:40:35] Trustee Luckham: So that carries.

[0:40:36] Trustee Luckham: So now we're back to the amended motion.

[0:40:40] Trustee Luckham: Are there any other speakers at this time

[0:40:42] Trustee Luckham: on the amended motion before us?

[0:40:45] Trustee Luckham: And Trustee Dodds was the first one on my list.

[0:40:48] Trustee Luckham: So over to you Trustee Dodds

[0:40:49] Trustee Luckham: on the now amended motion on the screen.

[0:40:53] Trustee Luckham: So

[0:40:53] Voice 28: I just wanted to say,

[0:40:54] Voice 28: I support the motion back when we had the debate

[0:40:58] Voice 28: about the people versus the environment.

[0:41:00] Voice 28: I don't think that this motion precludes people as part of our environment but I also do think

[0:41:07] Voice 28: that every decision we make and many decisions that I've made in the past actually haven't had

[0:41:12] Voice 28: to make a lot that had to do with anything that would impact the environment but anytime there

[0:41:17] Voice 28: was a decision being made about the environment that was always top of mind and I don't can't

[0:41:22] Voice 28: think of any decision certainly that I've made in my time or for main island

[0:41:26] Voice 28: that has said okay the

[0:41:28] Voice 28: the people are more important than the environment.

[0:41:29] Voice 28: We are always balancing human needs

[0:41:32] Voice 28: against environmental needs.

[0:41:33] Voice 28: That's why we are on the islands.

[0:41:35] Voice 28: That's why we have the islands trust.

[0:41:36] Voice 28: That's why we're always looking for ways

[0:41:38] Voice 28: to mitigate any damage that is done.

[0:41:41] Voice 28: So I think this motion covers that for me.

[0:41:43] Voice 28: I'm very comfortable with it and I support it, thank you.

[0:41:47] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much, Trustee Dodds.

[0:41:49] Trustee Luckham: Are there any other speakers on the amended motion?

[0:41:53] Trustee Luckham: Trustee McConkie, you raised your hand.

[0:41:56] Trustee McConchie: Just a quick point of clarity.

[0:41:57] Trustee McConchie: I don't quite understand trustee Brent's like line of question I like maybe for the general public like he can explain this kind of question because I it's a philosophical one I don't make most most of the public doesn't quite understand that the other question I have is what is special and profound mean like legally, I guess, trustee Critchley would be really interesting to hear if I see the words, I got to give something special and profound consideration where the implications of that.

[0:42:25] Trustee McConchie: Thank you.

[0:42:29] Trustee Luckham: So I guess there were two questions there and seeking clarity on the people component.

[0:42:39] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Brent, do you have anything to offer there?

[0:42:44] Voice 3: Only just a point of clarity, because sometimes these things get interpreted in a way.

[0:42:50] Voice 3: So, for instance, some people might interpret natural environment as not including humans so that any built environment, any part of built environment, be it a driveway, a road, a fence, whatever, will disrupt potentially natural environment.

[0:43:11] Voice 3: And so people may interpret it as saying, no, that cannot go forward.

[0:43:17] Voice 3: I have seen those type of unsophisticated interpretations before.

[0:43:22] Voice 3: I just want to preclude those impacting our trust area in the future.

[0:43:29] Voice 3: So that's why I want it recorded.

[0:43:31] Voice 3: Is that okay, Trustee McConkie?

[0:43:37] Trustee Luckham: So thank you, Trustee Brandt, for your answer.

[0:43:42] Trustee Luckham: I'm struggling just a moment.

[0:43:44] Trustee Luckham: In fairness, I don't think I would want to characterize individuals as having unsophisticated

[0:43:51] Trustee Luckham: interpretations so let's just leave it try to avoid those kinds of characterizations as we

[0:43:58] Trustee Luckham: go forward

[0:43:58] Trustee Luckham: in this conversation and

[0:44:00] Voice 3: so right excuse me i'm not identifying any individual

[0:44:04] Voice 3: whatsoever i'm just saying there are people that are at times unsophisticated there's

[0:44:10] Voice 3: no particular person there people make mistakes thank you welcome

[0:44:16] Voice 3: so that's just my point of

[0:44:18] Voice 3: clarification and i don't think i'm i'm disrespecting any single person or any single

[0:44:24] Voice 3: group thank you

[0:44:27] Voice 3: um

[0:44:30] Trustee Luckham: understood um so now i'm going to go to uh there was a question for trustee

[0:44:36] Trustee Luckham: critchley for a point of clarity on wording legality special and profound consideration

[0:44:42] Trustee Luckham: trustee critchley do you have uh something there to offer i

[0:44:48] Trustee Critchley: would just say that uh i don't view

[0:44:50] Trustee Critchley: those words as having any unusual legal connotation. That was not my intention.

[0:45:00] Trustee Critchley: All of these words are words in common usage and I would say, and courts of course use as a

[0:45:11] Trustee Critchley: rule of thumb, they look at the ordinary and usual meaning of words. It's only in more rare

[0:45:19] Trustee Critchley: where circumstances do judges start to look outside the ordinary and usual meaning of words.

[0:45:27] Trustee Critchley: So special, I think we all know what that is. And profound would be deep consideration.

[0:45:37] Trustee Critchley: So that's all I intend. There's no particular legal meaning to my knowledge to either of those

[0:45:44] Trustee Critchley: those words and certainly none is intended by me okay

[0:45:50] Trustee Luckham: thank you uh trustee chrisley so hopefully

[0:45:52] Trustee Luckham: that helps i'm not seeing any other speakers on the amended motion and um let's pause for a moment

[0:46:03] Trustee Luckham: and so therefore i'm going to call the vote all those in favor of the amended motion on the screen

[0:46:10] Trustee Luckham: before you so i'm seeing uh including on the screen i'm seeing 24 members of council voting

[0:46:27] Trustee Luckham: in favor and any opposed or lower your hands please and are there any opposed so none opposed

[0:46:41] Trustee Luckham: that carries thank you very much council thank you very much trustee critchley and trustee rogers for

[0:46:47] Trustee Luckham: for collaborating together to bring this motion

[0:46:51] Trustee Luckham: and the resolution of this issue to council.

[0:46:55] Trustee Luckham: Very much appreciate it.

[0:46:58] Trustee Luckham: I just want to take a moment of your time because I-

[0:47:02] Trustee Rogers: Trustee Crichley has his hand up.

[0:47:03] Trustee Rogers: Oh, all

[0:47:05] Trustee Luckham: right, Trustee Crichley.

[0:47:07] Trustee Critchley: Thank you, I just wanted to take one moment

[0:47:09] Trustee Critchley: to express my deep gratitude to all my colleagues

[0:47:13] Trustee Critchley: for making this unanimous.

[0:47:15] Trustee Critchley: I think that that means a lot to me

[0:47:17] Trustee Critchley: and i hope it means a lot to a lot of our trust islands trust fans out there thank you all right

[0:47:26] Trustee Luckham: thank you very much trustee critchley and okay so i just want to take a moment because i didn't do

[0:47:35] Trustee Luckham: it at the beginning of our session here and i've been reminded of it because this motion came from

[0:47:40] Trustee Luckham: denman island and what i wanted to do at the beginning of this meeting was acknowledge the

[0:47:46] Trustee Luckham: the passing of Louise Bell, who was an amazing person

[0:47:52] Trustee Luckham: who I had the privilege and honor to work with

[0:47:54] Trustee Luckham: for at least three terms on trust council,

[0:47:59] Trustee Luckham: including as a member of the executive committee.

[0:48:02] Trustee Luckham: And I just want to send my sympathies

[0:48:06] Trustee Luckham: and I know many of you knew her

[0:48:08] Trustee Luckham: and would also be sending your sympathies

[0:48:11] Trustee Luckham: and condolences to the family and friends and Denman Island.

[0:48:16] Trustee Luckham: it's a loss to us all and i just want to mark this moment in time and and thank louise bell

[0:48:26] Trustee Luckham: for her service to humanity and the world and the islands trust and thank you very much for that

[0:48:33] Trustee Luckham: moment so trustees thank you for getting us up to the first business item in a in an appropriate

[0:48:40] Trustee Luckham: good fashion we are now at four o'clock can

[0:48:43] Voice 3: i ask to speak just uh very briefly and i just want to

[0:48:46] Voice 3: acknowledge um the passing of a former trustee as well and that would be trustee harvey jansen

[0:48:53] Voice 3: on saturna and uh a uh you know he was a an icon on saturna cared deeply for the environment in so

[0:49:02] Voice 3: many different ways and so that is another sad passing and i just want to acknowledge that

[0:49:07] Voice 3: that because he was an extraordinarily special person

[0:49:10] Voice 3: and one who cared deeply, deeply, deeply for our islands,

[0:49:15] Voice 3: all of them.

[0:49:16] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:49:17] Trustee Luckham: Well, thank you, Trustee Brent,

[0:49:19] Trustee Luckham: for bringing that to my attention, our attention.

[0:49:22] Trustee Luckham: I have not, that had not been brought to my attention

[0:49:26] Trustee Luckham: and indeed, thank you for bringing that to our attention

[0:49:31] Trustee Luckham: and acknowledging that past trustee from Saturna Island.

[0:49:34] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[0:49:35] Trustee Luckham: this brings us to 4.2 um now we have indeed added a trustee round table to go around and

[0:49:45] Trustee Luckham: let us know what you're thinking um with the intent of informing uh the decision here um

[0:49:53] Trustee Luckham: ideally there will be some motions at some at some point um to advance this in some way or not

[0:50:00] Trustee Luckham: I do want to provide the opportunity for the chair of Trust Programs Committee to introduce this topic.

[0:50:07] Trustee Luckham: And so what I'm looking for at this very moment in time is how it is that trustees would like to proceed.

[0:50:14] Trustee Luckham: Do you want to proceed with a general roundtable?

[0:50:19] Trustee Luckham: Tell us what you're thinking.

[0:50:20] Trustee Luckham: Let's try to avoid any emotions at this time until we've got the report on the table.

[0:50:28] Trustee Luckham: and the recommendations that are in that report

[0:50:31] Trustee Luckham: are just recommendations.

[0:50:32] Trustee Luckham: We don't have to make any of those motions.

[0:50:34] Trustee Luckham: We can make alternate motions.

[0:50:36] Trustee Luckham: And I do believe there are some alternate motions up there.

[0:50:38] Trustee Luckham: So trust council, I realize it's a difficult question

[0:50:42] Trustee Luckham: to answer as to whether or not you want to go ahead

[0:50:44] Trustee Luckham: with the round table now,

[0:50:46] Trustee Luckham: under that context of sharing what you've heard with us,

[0:50:50] Trustee Luckham: or if you want to go directly to Trustee Morrison

[0:50:56] Trustee Luckham: to introduce the topic

[0:50:57] Trustee Luckham: and maybe Trustee Morrison, what is your,

[0:50:59] Trustee Luckham: do you want to go to the round table first

[0:51:00] Trustee Luckham: or do you want to make a remark first?

[0:51:03] Trustee Morrison: I would actually like to go to the round table first

[0:51:06] Trustee Morrison: with the understanding that we share perspectives

[0:51:10] Trustee Morrison: and opinions from our communities and thoughts,

[0:51:14] Trustee Morrison: but that we don't start tromping all over with motions,

[0:51:17] Trustee Morrison: that we actually listen to each other and hear each other.

[0:51:20] Trustee Morrison: So I would like to do that first if we can.

[0:51:23] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[0:51:23] Trustee Luckham: So I see Trustee

[0:51:24] Trustee Luckham: Dodds is waving her hands.

[0:51:27] Voice 28: okay so i i agree totally with deb i think that this is a chance just to say for those of us that

[0:51:32] Voice 28: have been you know involved with our communities just a brief update on what our communities are

[0:51:37] Voice 28: thinking and not speaking to the specific issues i think we need to not make long speeches there's

[0:51:43] Voice 28: 26 of us i think we need to speak short and simple about what our constituents are feeling at the

[0:51:50] Voice 28: moment okay

[0:51:51] Trustee Luckham: thank you uh trustee dodds and chair morrison and if i'm not seeing any opposition to

[0:51:58] Trustee Luckham: that i'm going to begin with a round table and um i think what would be really wonderful here is just

[0:52:06] Trustee Luckham: to think about a spirit of collaboration and working together um in order to uh conduct what

[0:52:11] Trustee Luckham: is clearly important work to many people in our communities and so i'm actually going to uh start

[0:52:18] Trustee Luckham: start along the same way that I did introductions, and it's sort of alphabetical by island, I think,

[0:52:25] Trustee Luckham: but I'm just going to go through the list, and you can choose to speak or not. Just say that

[0:52:31] Trustee Luckham: you'll pass if that's what you want to do, and I'm going to start in the Gambier Island

[0:52:35] Trustee Luckham: Howe Sound region with Kate Louise Stanford.

[0:52:40] Trustee Stamford: How am I first in this? I have a lot to say,

[0:52:44] Trustee Stamford: and I'm hoping it's in the spirit of understanding what's been happening over the last few weeks.

[0:52:52] Trustee Stamford: I would like to speak on behalf of my constituents, but we have a different way of processing

[0:53:00] Trustee Stamford: information than other islands. So my feedback has been quite positive to date. So I'd rather

[0:53:09] Trustee Stamford: look at the what i've been hearing from other islands um over the past couple of weeks um i

[0:53:16] Trustee Stamford: think we have people's attention now um for good or bad uh people are listening and and they

[0:53:22] Trustee Stamford: understand what's happening a little bit more um what i've heard over the last couple of weeks and

[0:53:28] Trustee Stamford: yesterday evening really good conversations um deeply concerned uh deeply engaged i do think

[0:53:36] Trustee Stamford: there's some general themes um there is a misunderstanding of what first reading is

[0:53:42] Trustee Stamford: and a confusion about what the policy statement is versus what a specific island official community

[0:53:49] Trustee Stamford: plan is and the consultation around those two differences um and i wish we could have gotten

[0:53:57] Trustee Stamford: that more clear earlier um and it just didn't happen there are specific concerns um and it did

[0:54:05] Trustee Stamford: did come up on my island around docks and around desalination. These are very workable adjustments.

[0:54:13] Trustee Stamford: I think this is definitely worth looking at again. There's different, there's bigger questions around

[0:54:19] Trustee Stamford: resource economies and First Nation representation. Really important, requires a deeper dive.

[0:54:26] Trustee Stamford: Structural issues around the document itself and lack of clarity on definitions. Again, this is

[0:54:31] Trustee Stamford: this very workable this is stuff that is common um that can be adjusted um at any time we there

[0:54:40] Trustee Stamford: was a lot of conversation about low engagement and so i did a little bit of research last night

[0:54:44] Trustee Stamford: and very brief and looked at what vancouver vancouver is going through a somewhat similar

[0:54:49] Trustee Stamford: process right now uh they had approximately 13 000 people uh engage in their um their pro

[0:54:58] Trustee Stamford: their project to date that is really low for a municipality of 700,000 plus people

[0:55:06] Trustee Stamford: I think we overestimate people's interest in local government and that there is a large group of

[0:55:14] Trustee Stamford: people oh excuse me oh it's okay there's a large group of people out there that will not engage

[0:55:21] Trustee Stamford: age um and that's just the way uh local government works um there's been i noticed a lot of feedback

[0:55:29] Trustee Stamford: about the the purpose of the trust itself and the return to the preserve and protect mandate

[0:55:36] Trustee Stamford: and i just like to say the policy statement draft is a response to the preserve and protect of the

[0:55:45] Trustee Stamford: the islands to the significant complex challenges of 2020-21. No organization has stagnated on a

[0:55:54] Trustee Stamford: 1974 mandate and survived. For perspective, every level of government is seeing pushback on perceived

[0:56:01] Trustee Stamford: threats to individual rights and intrusion and expansion of perceived powers. We're not unique

[0:56:07] Trustee Stamford: in that way community consultation engagement prior to first reading

[0:56:12] Trustee Stamford: i

[0:56:13] Trustee Luckham: didn't start a timer and i'm just

[0:56:21] Voice 10: yeah

[0:56:22] Trustee Luckham: that's perfect i apologize for interrupting and so i'm glad i just wanted to i had no idea

[0:56:30] Trustee Luckham: how much longer you might go and just apologize to everybody that i didn't make a recommendation

[0:56:36] Trustee Luckham: for a time limit so you finish and thank you and sorry for interrupting but uh let's try to

[0:56:43] Trustee Luckham: everybody from this point on forward let's try to stick to two minutes thank you i

[0:56:48] Trustee Stamford: just wanted to

[0:56:49] Trustee Stamford: finish um this is the document people are going to see this is what they're working on towards

[0:56:54] Trustee Stamford: whether we pull it back or not it's out there and i think we need to um to really examine what that

[0:57:02] Trustee Stamford: that means. Thank

[0:57:03] Trustee Luckham: you. So thank you, Trustee Stanford. Thank you for doing the research and

[0:57:07] Trustee Luckham: really appreciate you being prepared. And I apologize for my omission of not suggesting

[0:57:13] Trustee Luckham: the full-time implementation. And so, as you know, I like to be generous. Some of you will speak more,

[0:57:18] Trustee Luckham: some of you will speak less, and I will continue to be generous, but I am going to run a timer.

[0:57:22] Trustee Luckham: And so the next person to speak would be Dan Rogers.

[0:57:28] Trustee Rogers: Thank you. I'll cede some of my time to

[0:57:31] Trustee Rogers: to my senior trustee, Trustee Stamford.

[0:57:33] Trustee Rogers: I just want to say two things.

[0:57:36] Trustee Rogers: One is I want to commend TPC Chair Deb Morrison

[0:57:42] Trustee Rogers: last night for her comments related to the role

[0:57:44] Trustee Rogers: that staff has played in production of this document.

[0:57:48] Trustee Rogers: It was accurate and I think we need to all understand

[0:57:53] Trustee Rogers: that the staff has done this work that Trust Council owns

[0:57:58] Trustee Rogers: and the same is true for the various committees.

[0:58:00] Trustee Rogers: So thank you for your words last night, Chair Morrison.

[0:58:05] Trustee Rogers: Look, my view is, I mean, I'm not going to repeat what Trustee Stanford said about engagement in my trust area.

[0:58:11] Trustee Rogers: It's different than the rest, and we acknowledge those things.

[0:58:14] Trustee Rogers: There are some concerns raised, but there's a very civil conversation, discourse going on there.

[0:58:20] Trustee Rogers: And people, where we have to have a discourse, it's just because of some misunderstanding of the process, and we'll continue that.

[0:58:27] Trustee Rogers: that. But I just want to say, from a procedural point of view, of course, first reading generally

[0:58:35] Trustee Rogers: makes sense. But I think this is one of those cases, having looked at what's going on in many

[0:58:42] Trustee Rogers: places around the trust, that the perception becomes the reality. And there's a perception

[0:58:48] Trustee Rogers: that we're moving too quickly. So I hear that. I think many trustees hear that. So I'm supportive

[0:58:54] Trustee Rogers: of us finding a way to engage we need to engage much more fully as trustee stamford says we now

[0:59:01] Trustee Rogers: have a lot of people's attention um and and we need to then figure out a way forward to engage

[0:59:09] Trustee Rogers: with the people whose attention we have in order to fulfill our mandate uh and the um and i i'll

[0:59:19] Trustee Rogers: have more to say about that later so i'll just leave it at that for the moment thank you

[0:59:23] Trustee Luckham: thank

[0:59:24] Trustee Luckham: you trustee rogers so while we're in uh in the house sound region i will go to bowen island and

[0:59:30] Trustee Luckham: sue ellen fast um is next on my list followed by michael kale thank

[0:59:37] Trustee Fast: you um i'm uh i'm from bowen

[0:59:42] Trustee Fast: i've seen uh both negative and positive uh letters in support but i

[0:59:47] Trustee Fast: can't really speak for my

[0:59:49] Trustee Fast: my community, of course, because we've got so many people that they haven't,

[0:59:55] Trustee Fast: many of them are just getting interested in it now. And

[1:00:00] Trustee Fast: although some people have been involved and we've got municipal staff and municipal councillors and

[1:00:05] Trustee Fast: they need to be involved as well so I'm looking forward to more engagement I think we've got a

[1:00:12] Trustee Fast: draft that's out there now and I think we should give it first reading so that people take it

[1:00:16] Trustee Fast: seriously and do really engage rather than putting it off to the side of the desk because there are

[1:00:22] Trustee Fast: so many crises happening and waiting for they think I'll give a look when it's at first reading

[1:00:29] Trustee Fast: Why look early or look twice?

[1:00:32] Trustee Fast: I think we should have this draft out there

[1:00:34] Trustee Fast: and refer it out to people and do the further consultation.

[1:00:38] Trustee Fast: I'm excited about this draft.

[1:00:40] Trustee Fast: Point of

[1:00:41] Trustee Fast: order, point of order.

[1:00:43] Voice 28: I thought we weren't

[1:00:44] Voice 28: supposed to be speaking

[1:00:46] Voice 28: to the specifics of the first reading.

[1:00:49] Voice 28: I thought this was just general information.

[1:00:53] Trustee Luckham: That's a good point.

[1:00:54] Trustee Luckham: But the speakers take that into consideration.

[1:00:58] Trustee Luckham: So thank you.

[1:00:59] Trustee Luckham: so trustee fast you want to wrap up there sure

[1:01:02] Trustee Fast: i'm just um uh excited about the draft i think it

[1:01:05] Trustee Fast: meets the big burning hot issues of our time of climate change and biodiversity loss and

[1:01:12] Trustee Fast: first nations and um affordable housing and uh i'm excited to have still speaking to the motion

[1:01:18] Trustee Fast: and not to the general i guess i don't understand the difference i can't speak for my community we

[1:01:25] Trustee Fast: haven't had uh uh council hasn't been involved so i'll just uh i'll just pipe down thank you

[1:01:32] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, everybody. It is kind of a gray line, speaking to the motion versus generally what you've heard and what you think what the thinking is in your communities and maybe that's not necessarily possible. So let's just conduct ourselves as best as we can.

[1:01:54] Trustee Luckham: Chair, chair, part

[1:01:57] Trustee Critchley: of orders. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to be interrupting on this, but there is not a motion before us right now on the table.

[1:02:07] Trustee Critchley: So when people are accused of improperly speaking to emotion, there is not one. Thank you.

[1:02:15] Trustee Luckham: You're absolutely right. Exactly. Thank you, sir. So, Michael Cale, Bowen Island.

[1:02:19] Trustee Luckham: Yes,

[1:02:20] Voice 34: thank you very much. And what I want to do is purely report back on the feedback I have received over the last two weeks.

[1:02:29] Voice 34: We represent, and Trustee Fast and myself are a classic example, an island divided. Support for the Islands Trust has always been split. And just recently, there's been a huge awakening caused by this issue.

[1:02:50] Voice 34: and and you must have read the correspondence received from this island i've had an opportunity

[1:02:58] Voice 34: and i've just done a count to meet up with no less than 62 of our islanders and spend some time with

[1:03:07] Voice 34: them all individually and they'll be following today's activities very carefully surely everyone

[1:03:16] Voice 34: has heard the cry, the ask, the message. Please wait. Please give us a chance to learn more.

[1:03:27] Voice 34: Please give us a chance to be better informed. And why rush? Is it merely to satisfy an agenda

[1:03:35] Voice 34: is the question. So this community at Bowen will be watching very carefully. It is a split community

[1:03:43] Voice 34: And I can comment further what I think will happen, depending on the decisions we take today, and I hope we choose very wisely. I also hope we listen to what we've been told, because there are none so deaf as those who choose not to hear.

[1:04:03] Voice 34: And I hope that doesn't apply to trustees of this island's trust. Thank you, Chair.

[1:04:09] Voice 34: Thank

[1:04:10] Trustee Luckham: you, Michael. So as I look at my list here, it's probably geographic rather than alphabetical, but Hornby Island up in the north of the trust area, I'll get Alex Allen to lead off, followed by Grant Scott.

[1:04:31] Trustee Allen: yeah um i'll admit i didn't read all the letters but i read a lot of letters and um

[1:04:36] Trustee Allen: you know it's it's so clear the message it's oh yeah first i'll preface um i'm kind of like

[1:04:42] Trustee Allen: trustee stanford on our island it's there are some people that are positive want to go get going to

[1:04:46] Trustee Allen: first reading and there's a lot of people that are totally confused with the process and feel

[1:04:52] Trustee Allen: it was rushed and and basically yes as michael says michael kale it um reading all the letters

[1:04:57] Trustee Allen: It's phenomenal. There's many themes, but it's rushed. It was during a pandemic. We need more time. And I'd like to quote this letter from Jane Morley on Pender Island. She basically really summed up how I feel, and I feel what we should all be thinking about.

[1:05:20] Trustee Allen: and is that would it not be better to ask why so many residents feel unheard and learn from the

[1:05:26] Trustee Allen: experience welcoming a completely different approach to consultation that takes into account

[1:05:33] Trustee Allen: the lessons learned from the failures of the process to date so that that sums up my feeling

[1:05:40] Trustee Allen: and i think that sums up a lot of the letters and uh as as trustee kale says if we don't listen

[1:05:47] Trustee Allen: and it's we are going to hear a lot and yeah you know obviously Bowen is they want to divorce and

[1:05:54] Trustee Allen: Maine docks I mean there's specifics to a lot of islands but I really think we should just put a

[1:06:01] Trustee Allen: pause and a reset thank you thank you

[1:06:04] Trustee Allen: trustee Allen trustee Scott thank

[1:06:07] Trustee Scott: you now to be very

[1:06:09] Trustee Scott: brief I think the product that's been produced it's out there that staff and everybody works

[1:06:14] Trustee Scott: so hard on i think it's basically good sure it needs some revisions but that's what this is all

[1:06:18] Trustee Scott: about i think the process is what concerns me i think just about everybody last night that spoke

[1:06:23] Trustee Scott: talked about the process and i think i think um certainly the first nations uh char spoke wilson

[1:06:31] Trustee Scott: and said have they been effectively consulted now that's that's only one family but it's an

[1:06:36] Trustee Scott: important family obviously on galliano island so i think listening to her talk about consult

[1:06:41] Trustee Scott: consult covid doing this in the middle of covid is is that fair does that bring people in are they

[1:06:47] Trustee Scott: distracted again it's the word consult and lastly zoom is that an effective way to deal with

[1:06:53] Trustee Scott: community people and certainly not on hermy island we need to be in the hall face to face so overall

[1:07:00] Trustee Scott: that's where i said i just want to mention i hope this isn't too trite but simon and garfunkel said

[1:07:05] Trustee Scott: it best uh don't move too fast make the morning last so that's my uh remarks thank

[1:07:15] Trustee Luckham: you uh trustee

[1:07:17] Trustee Luckham: scott so uh moving uh uh west here denman island uh laura beshaken and then david christen

[1:07:24] Trustee Busheikin: thank you so um things are actually fairly quiet on denman around this and um perhaps that's partly

[1:07:34] Trustee Busheikin: my fault because you know until about 10 days two weeks ago when people asked me about it I said

[1:07:40] Trustee Busheikin: there's a public consultation process planned for after first reading but you know first reading

[1:07:47] Trustee Busheikin: signals that we have something to bring forward and they said okay we'll wait for that and I said

[1:07:53] Trustee Busheikin: I'd let you know so the process has become I guess messy and that's the nature of political

[1:08:01] Trustee Busheikin: processes and so we here we are in the middle of that and of course denman has the whole gamut

[1:08:06] Trustee Busheikin: from the no more regulations this whole thing is terrible because it's more regulation and we don't

[1:08:11] Trustee Busheikin: want that crowd to the do as much as you can as fast as you can to address these crises climate

[1:08:19] Trustee Busheikin: change crisis housing crisis and um the the desperate need to actually move forward with

[1:08:27] Trustee Busheikin: with reconciliation, and everything in between.

[1:08:31] Trustee Busheikin: And that's sort of the nature of what we have here.

[1:08:35] Trustee Busheikin: There certainly is confusion,

[1:08:37] Trustee Busheikin: confusion about the process about what first reading is

[1:08:40] Trustee Busheikin: and what the policy statement is.

[1:08:43] Trustee Busheikin: And I do think we need to do a better job

[1:08:47] Trustee Busheikin: of letting people know.

[1:08:51] Trustee Busheikin: I think that we do need to listen

[1:08:53] Trustee Busheikin: and I would add that we don't need to just listen

[1:08:56] Trustee Busheikin: to the current residents of the island that this is a really high level document the policy

[1:09:02] Trustee Busheikin: statement it's far reaching and I think to me this is the time where we listen not just to

[1:09:07] Trustee Busheikin: the current residents but to the future generations to the past generations to all the creatures on

[1:09:15] Trustee Busheikin: the island that don't have voices that are not don't have voices that speak a language as we

[1:09:21] Trustee Busheikin: We understand whether those are the aquifers or the endangered species, the birds, the forests, all of that.

[1:09:28] Trustee Busheikin: It needs to go, it needs to be based on interconnection and the interconnection on a really big level.

[1:09:37] Trustee Busheikin: So I think people, the main thing we're hearing is people want to be engaged.

[1:09:42] Trustee Busheikin: They want to have time to talk and think and learn.

[1:09:46] Trustee Busheikin: and I think going ahead with first reading and public consultation is the way to go and I you

[1:09:53] Trustee Busheikin: know other people spoke to what they think we should do so I'm going to do that and I appreciate

[1:09:59] Trustee Busheikin: everything we've heard and I want to hear more and I think we also do need to move I don't agree

[1:10:05] Trustee Busheikin: that we have an endless amount of time I you know read my CBC news every morning and this morning I

[1:10:11] Trustee Busheikin: opened it up and there was something about the most extreme water shortages ever on the Gulf

[1:10:15] Trustee Busheikin: Islands. People have died because of the heat. People have died because of smoky air in the past

[1:10:21] Trustee Busheikin: few summers. Can

[1:10:23] Voice 22: I ask you to wrap up, Laura?

[1:10:24] Trustee Busheikin: Sure. I don't think we have endless time to work

[1:10:28] Trustee Busheikin: on this, is my point. Thank you.

[1:10:31] Trustee Luckham: Thank you. Sorry. David Critchley.

[1:10:36] Trustee Critchley: Yes, thank you.

[1:10:39] Trustee Critchley: I would say that I have not heard from a substantial number of people on Denman Island,

[1:10:45] Trustee Critchley: but I have heard from I'd say roughly a dozen and the people that I've heard from are largely

[1:10:54] Trustee Critchley: community leader type people and they are people who are big trust supporters and in several

[1:11:03] Trustee Critchley: instances former trustees and without exception they have said slow down pause do not give this

[1:11:12] Trustee Critchley: first reading. That has been the message to me. And Chair Luck, you gave a nice tribute to

[1:11:19] Trustee Critchley: Louise Bell, who recently passed away. She was a four-term trustee and a vice chair and an

[1:11:29] Trustee Critchley: extremely dedicated and detailed person. I had the good fortune to speak to Louise just a matter

[1:11:36] Trustee Critchley: of days before she was hit by a massive stroke that ultimately ended her life. And we had a

[1:11:43] Trustee Critchley: conversation for about half an hour on this very topic. And her message to me was, what is the rush?

[1:11:49] Trustee Critchley: Slow it down. Think carefully. So that's just ironic that today we are acknowledging Louise's

[1:12:00] Trustee Critchley: life and she gave me that message to pass on to you I guess. Trustee Allen referred to Jane Morley

[1:12:09] Trustee Critchley: a distinguished Queen's Council who I do not know personally but I know by reputation and I was

[1:12:17] Trustee Critchley: similarly struck by her letter and the other part that Trustee Allen did not quote I would like to

[1:12:23] Trustee Critchley: read to you. The staff point out that it is only first reading and changes can be made afterwards

[1:12:31] Trustee Critchley: words. But approving first reading is a statement of support by the council, and changes that are

[1:12:37] Trustee Critchley: made after first reading are historically minor. I think this is a correct statement, and that is

[1:12:45] Trustee Critchley: an understanding of many people out there, including people who are sophisticated,

[1:12:51] Trustee Critchley: such as Louise Bell and other former trustees. They know the meaning of first reading.

[1:12:56] Trustee Critchley: it is it is not just something to be taken casually so that those are the messages that

[1:13:05] Trustee Critchley: I've been receiving and incidentally I do note the irony that we are uniting certain

[1:13:11] Trustee Critchley: factions within our communities from what I've heard across the trust area the people who seem

[1:13:17] Trustee Critchley: to be radically opposed to the trust and those who are radically in favor of the trust seem to be

[1:13:23] Trustee Critchley: in many cases, united in saying hit the pause button here. There is a deep irony in that.

[1:13:30] Trustee Critchley: Thank you.

[1:13:45] Voice 17: Peter, are you speaking? We can't hear you.

[1:13:48] Trustee Luckham: Oh, I'm sorry. I'm not in control of you,

[1:13:51] Trustee Luckham: but I guess it's my excuse. So we're moving south to Gabriela Island and Scott Colburn,

[1:13:56] Trustee Luckham: Case Langerice.

[1:13:59] Voice 35: I guess my name was said first. I've been making a speech in my head since the

[1:14:07] Voice 35: last trust programs committee meeting it's about a 300 hour speech so I'll try to put it in two

[1:14:11] Voice 35: minutes there's so many voices we haven't heard so many voices we haven't heard when I say we I

[1:14:17] Voice 35: mean the trust over the years it's held its business from 10 a.m to 2 p.m on weekdays it's

[1:14:23] Voice 35: heard from certain voices a lot of trustees are bringing up certain voices and these are the

[1:14:27] Voice 35: I went out last night and I had a walk and I heard some people in their 20s and 30s talking about

[1:14:33] Voice 35: moving from house to house and I'm not trying to make an emotional argument here folks

[1:14:37] Voice 35: I'm trying to say we have a responsibility, a shared responsibility to step into some individual and collective spaces.

[1:14:48] Voice 35: And I'll take the three topics that are being updated within this program policy statement.

[1:14:54] Voice 35: Reconciliation and relationship building with First Nations.

[1:14:59] Voice 35: Truth precedes reconciliation. We need to grasp the truth of where we are, how it was settled.

[1:15:06] Voice 35: the ramifications of that on First Nations and Indigenous peoples not just in the past but now

[1:15:10] Voice 35: and here and we need to integrate that through everything we do and protect cultural heritage

[1:15:14] Voice 35: sites. This can't be passed on to the next council. This can't be passed on to the next council.

[1:15:23] Voice 35: We need to take individual and collective responsibility for what we're doing to the

[1:15:27] Voice 35: planet and the Coastal Douglas fir ecosystem individually, collectively, it can't be passed

[1:15:34] Voice 35: on to the next council and future generations and to the voices that we're not hearing in this

[1:15:40] Voice 35: process and this is the most community engaged thing the trust has probably ever done it started

[1:15:48] Voice 35: with first nations engagement and went to community and there were voices raised against that that

[1:15:53] Voice 35: said we're elected why don't we go and do the changes ourselves and then tried to defund it or

[1:15:58] Voice 35: take away the budget which is the other piece of this is that the trust isn't funded

[1:16:02] Voice 35: it in a way that allows us to live up to this mandate into the job that's been put in front of

[1:16:06] Voice 35: us it's and the third item is affordable housing and housing just generally just like we have a

[1:16:12] Voice 35: responsibility to limit the impacts on the environment of housing and to limit the negative

[1:16:17] Voice 35: impacts on how this place has been settled in the land use decisions that has led to what the data

[1:16:23] Voice 35: shows us is a extreme crisis for people who need rental housing i'm the only renter among you

[1:16:30] Voice 35: I've tried to raise this not in an emotional way but it's from the data and from what

[1:16:34] Voice 35: the expert panel on housing supply and affordability to Canada and the province put

[1:16:40] Voice 35: out in their report last week finally I'm just going to read one thing it's from an Exxon

[1:16:47] Voice 35: lobbyist in Washington he was tape recorded by an environmental organization in a job interview

[1:16:51] Voice 35: and he said the bottom line it's going to take political courage political will in order to get

[1:16:56] Voice 35: something done and that just doesn't exist in politics it just doesn't that's in that's a

[1:17:02] Voice 35: fossil fuel lobbyist who's saying we don't have the political will it's time to step into our

[1:17:08] Voice 35: individual or collective responsibility and not pass it on to the next council and not pass it

[1:17:12] Voice 35: on to future generations thank

[1:17:15] Trustee Luckham: you trustee colburn for condensing your 300 um uh speech into a short

[1:17:21] Trustee Luckham: section thank you case longer ice over to

[1:17:24] Trustee Luckham: you yeah

[1:17:25] Voice 13: thank you yeah thank you yeah uh on our island it

[1:17:28] Voice 13: seems to be somewhat split i've you know heard from people who are supportive of giving first

[1:17:35] Voice 13: reading and moving ahead and there are a number of people of course who are opposed to this it is

[1:17:41] Voice 13: it's pretty well reflective of a general spin on the island in my from my perspective from what

[1:17:46] Voice 13: I've heard. Personally, I am in favor of a pause on this process. I think that I've heard so much

[1:17:54] Voice 13: and read most of the emails that have come in, and it all revolves around consultation,

[1:18:01] Voice 13: awareness, and the extent of change. The structural changes that have been put into

[1:18:06] Voice 13: the Trust Policy Statement makes it harder for people to grasp what's changed. It's going to

[1:18:11] Voice 13: to take more time for people to understand and grasp the implications a lot of a lot of in the

[1:18:17] Voice 13: trust policy statement changes i support but the general public is is not that aware of what's

[1:18:23] Voice 13: happening there has been email sent out raising a lot of alarms i think some of it is unwarranted

[1:18:29] Voice 13: i think it's wrong i think there are positive changes in the trust policy statement uh there

[1:18:35] Voice 13: are parts i don't agree with and that is part of my concern is around the distinction and i will

[1:18:41] Voice 13: We'll talk about that later when we talk about

[1:18:43] Voice 13: the actual trust policy statement

[1:18:45] Voice 13: about where we've moved into an arena

[1:18:47] Voice 13: where we don't really have a mandate, which is housing.

[1:18:51] Voice 13: So I'll leave it at that for now.

[1:18:53] Voice 13: Right, thank you.

[1:18:54] Trustee Luckham: So we're coming up on our break in another 10 minutes

[1:18:57] Trustee Luckham: and I would like to stick to the break schedule.

[1:19:00] Trustee Luckham: So we'll get as far through as we can

[1:19:02] Trustee Luckham: and then we'll pick up with the remaining speakers

[1:19:04] Trustee Luckham: when we return from the break.

[1:19:06] Trustee Luckham: So thank you for being brief.

[1:19:08] Trustee Luckham: brief um uh now uh continuing to move uh south and a little bit east galliano island uh tahira

[1:19:15] Trustee Luckham: rockefeller and jane wolverton um

[1:19:19] Voice 14: hi there so i'll just speak on the engagement and what we've

[1:19:23] Voice 14: heard so far in galliano not other islands uh the we had a really good engagement process for the

[1:19:29] Voice 14: last 18 months and we've had a lot of public events before covid so we haven't actually received that

[1:19:35] Voice 14: that much correspondence, but about 85% of it

[1:19:38] Voice 14: has been concerns that this policy statement

[1:19:43] Voice 14: is relaxing the directive policies.

[1:19:46] Voice 14: So yeah, that's something to think about there.

[1:19:50] Voice 14: Thanks.

[1:19:51] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Tahira.

[1:19:53] Trustee Luckham: Jane Wolgen.

[1:19:55] Voice 16: Yes, I wanted to thank the staff

[1:19:57] Voice 16: and the trust programs trustees who worked on this policy

[1:20:01] Voice 16: and to get it to this point.

[1:20:02] Voice 16: and also to thank everyone who's written to us.

[1:20:06] Voice 16: I've read all of your submissions.

[1:20:09] Voice 16: I appreciate those who've put a lot of thought

[1:20:14] Voice 16: into their submissions and made recommendations for changes

[1:20:19] Voice 16: and have read the documents associated with this.

[1:20:23] Voice 16: I'd say it's been a difficult few weeks.

[1:20:25] Voice 16: The discourse, in my opinion, hasn't been helped by social media.

[1:20:30] Voice 16: and I believe that the trust and the trustees bear some responsibility for the confusion that

[1:20:36] Voice 16: residents have about the purpose of the islands trust and the process of amending bylaws many

[1:20:42] Voice 16: island residents and property owners are confused about this initiative and about the part

[1:20:48] Voice 16: the policy the policy statement plays in the governance of the islands

[1:20:53] Voice 16: um i just wanted to say a couple more things um that we need to look at how we live on these

[1:21:02] Voice 16: islands the need for biodiversity and the ecosystems and we need to look at how what we

[1:21:08] Voice 16: do on the island on which we live impacts the environment our neighbors the near shore the

[1:21:14] Voice 16: foreshore the the marine life and that living on an island uh and in the trust area is different

[1:21:20] Voice 16: from living in urban areas or on the mainland or other parts of the province and we also we need

[1:21:29] Voice 16: to recognize that the historic wrongs that have happened on these islands and as they pertain to

[1:21:36] Voice 16: indigenous people and that those continue to this day in the desecration of ancestral resting places

[1:21:43] Voice 16: places and the cumulative impacts to First Nations rights and title and that in order to become

[1:21:50] Voice 16: the people we should be people who value reconciliation and recognize the work

[1:21:54] Voice 16: we must all undertake toward truth and reconciliation we must align our operations

[1:22:01] Voice 16: and practices with the applicable articles of UNDRIP and the calls to action of the TRC

[1:22:07] Voice 16: um and i i think i'll just uh conclude there and i'll add more when we're discussing

[1:22:15] Voice 16: the actual motion thank you thank

[1:22:19] Trustee Luckham: you jane so uh interesting jumping back north now

[1:22:25] Trustee Luckham: luskeety island uh peter johnson and tim peterson i've

[1:22:37] Voice 4: heard from a very round number of luskeetians

[1:22:39] Voice 4: other than two requests for a copy of the letter of from concerned citizens i've heard nothing at

[1:22:46] Voice 4: all um i i have not seen that letter i was not able to provide a copy i provided some of the uh

[1:22:54] Voice 4: the frequently asked questions and said you could probably figure out

[1:22:57] Voice 4: what the letter said from these at least somewhat from these this document um i have read at the

[1:23:07] Voice 4: a policy statement in his various drafts but it's very difficult when you're reading a draft

[1:23:12] Voice 4: that's before a meeting and is about to be changed to take it terribly seriously

[1:23:18] Voice 4: it was a very recently that it was finalized at the executive committee and it was took a few

[1:23:25] Voice 4: more days before it became public and it was in a track changes copy not terribly easy to read

[1:23:31] Voice 4: uh i'm not surprised that the surprise and the outrage and what seems to many people to be a rush

[1:23:39] Voice 4: i don't think there's a rush uh there are quite a few things in there that i need to

[1:23:45] Voice 4: find out about uh i've read the letters from constituents from concerned citizens and some

[1:23:53] Voice 4: of them i understand and some i don't understand and i have my own concerns and i i wish to see

[1:23:58] Voice 4: some changes made, and especially some clarifications in the policy statement.

[1:24:04] Voice 4: I think there are things in there that we don't have any power to do, and I'm not sure why they're

[1:24:09] Voice 4: in there unless they're just, wouldn't it be nice if, or we urge others to please do this, but we

[1:24:16] Voice 4: can't. The one specific I'll say right now is there's part of it in there, and I'm not familiar

[1:24:23] Voice 4: enough with it, but says, wouldn't it be nice if we lived in compact and efficient villages

[1:24:29] Voice 4: so we could all cooperate and leave a lot of nature to be natural instead of carving out our

[1:24:35] Voice 4: individual areas in the forest? And it would be nice indeed, but it's our land ownership and our

[1:24:42] Voice 4: occupation of land doesn't work that way. It would be great if we started owning the whole island in

[1:24:47] Voice 4: common together and it would be a way that we could develop it, but we don't. I should have

[1:24:54] Voice 4: started by saying that we have an impossible task. We're to preserve and protect and permit

[1:25:00] Voice 4: development or control development. But since we have to do both, we have to compromise and

[1:25:07] Voice 4: the compromises are always at best a compromise. That's it for now. Okay. Thank you, Peter Johnson.

[1:25:14] Trustee Luckham: Tim Peterson.

[1:25:18] Voice 26: Yeah, thank you.

[1:25:20] Voice 26: So locally here on Liskiti, I've had several conversations and a few emails and phone calls, mostly from people just wanting a bit more information.

[1:25:32] Voice 26: I think in terms of the Islands 2050 process, we had probably a normal percentage, which was for us about 18 people came out to those open houses.

[1:25:47] Voice 26: And it hasn't turned into a huge hot button issue, although some of the misinformation was spread locally.

[1:25:56] Voice 26: and Peter and I both responded in terms of pointing to some information.

[1:26:04] Voice 26: On a wider scale, I have read every email that I've got on this subject.

[1:26:11] Voice 26: And I've also looked at a fair bit of the social media commentary.

[1:26:18] Voice 26: Terry. And what's really clear to me is that people, a lot of people don't understand the

[1:26:27] Voice 26: process and what first reading actually means. One thing I pointed out to someone yesterday

[1:26:36] Voice 26: was where we gave second reading to our OCP in June. And we made almost, I believe we made

[1:26:45] Voice 26: somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 amendments between first reading and second reading on our

[1:26:50] Voice 26: OCP. And I know of at least one or two that are going to be considered before we go to third

[1:26:55] Voice 26: reading. So what's clear to me is that we haven't done a good job as an organization

[1:27:01] Voice 26: of getting the information out there on how the process works. And our failure in that sense to

[1:27:09] Voice 26: to get clear, easy to understand information, combined with alarm and some misinformation

[1:27:19] Voice 26: that was spread out there, it's had the negative effect of making a lot of people unduly concerned

[1:27:28] Voice 26: in my view, which has had the positive effect that a lot more people are paying attention

[1:27:34] Voice 26: than usually do in these types of processes.

[1:27:38] Voice 26: I just recall being at the local government leadership convention last year

[1:27:44] Voice 26: sitting next to the mayor of Langley as the speaker was talking about

[1:27:48] Voice 26: the same 10 people in the room that always showed up

[1:27:50] Voice 26: and the mayor of Langley said, you know what?

[1:27:53] Voice 26: We have 12 that show up to our meetings.

[1:27:56] Voice 26: That's whoever.

[1:27:58] Voice 26: So this engagement issue is something I think all governments

[1:28:01] Voice 26: governments, and especially all the local governments need to grapple with. And I hope

[1:28:07] Voice 26: we're all going to take the lessons here as an organization on how we can do this better in the

[1:28:15] Voice 26: future. Generally, the most common sentiment I heard was, please slow this down so we have time

[1:28:24] Voice 26: to understand. And there was a few very specific single issue comments. And there was a number,

[1:28:32] Voice 26: I would say there's a good dozen of very thoughtful analysis

[1:28:35] Voice 21: type

[1:28:36] Voice 26: emails yeah yeah anyway I just wanted

[1:28:40] Voice 26: to to say that I I really appreciate um all the members of public that uh that have uh engaged

[1:28:48] Voice 26: and and shared their thoughts with us and it's very important to the process all

[1:28:54] Trustee Luckham: right thank you

[1:28:55] Trustee Luckham: um I think I know that I can show some restraint and I'm hoping that Trustee Fenton can show some

[1:29:00] Trustee Luckham: restraint and so i'd like to kind of uh wrap up with the next two speakers from fetus island

[1:29:06] Trustee Luckham: um and then we'll go to our break as i had committed to at 10 30. so uh doug fenton over to

[1:29:12] Trustee Luckham: you uh

[1:29:13] Trustee Fenton: thank you uh chair welcome i am yeah i'll keep it as short as i can i just want to express

[1:29:18] Trustee Fenton: my thanks to um staff and everybody that contributed to this document it was a very

[1:29:25] Trustee Fenton: challenging process um but the staff were they listened and they articulated what was said at

[1:29:32] Trustee Fenton: these committee meetings i was not i was only at climate change and um first nations

[1:29:38] Trustee Fenton: reconciliation so um only speak to those two but there was amazing sort of ability to

[1:29:45] Trustee Fenton: draw things out of us and get the information they needed to move forward so thank you for that um

[1:29:51] Trustee Fenton: From this island itself, limited, but we had a reasonably good turnout at the 2050 workshop, maybe 25 plus people.

[1:30:00] Trustee Fenton: feedback to date on the actual draft policy statement has been limited but I have heard from

[1:30:06] Trustee Fenton: the elegant elders and councillors that express their support and interest in our wishes to

[1:30:13] Trustee Fenton: protect their ancestors and their resting places I've heard from the farming and agricultural

[1:30:19] Trustee Fenton: a couple of the individuals on these who have expressed concern over my comments around my

[1:30:26] Trustee Fenton: concerns about the environment and downstream pollutants but in conversation they understand

[1:30:32] Trustee Fenton: what we are trying to get at the um and they're keen for future conversation and look forward to

[1:30:39] Trustee Fenton: us putting this out there so that we can actually get it

[1:30:43] Trustee Fenton: sorted and they can contribute further um

[1:30:47] Trustee Fenton: i concur with trustee fast that the um and i'd like to see this kicked off i'm concerned about

[1:30:53] Trustee Fenton: the clock is ticking literally before us we have issues happening with climate change and we need

[1:31:00] Trustee Fenton: to address them and i'll leave it with uh trustee bushaken's comments about the need for a paradigm

[1:31:06] Trustee Fenton: shift as trust council and look at things in a more recognizing the holistic and interconnected

[1:31:12] Trustee Fenton: nature of everything around us thank you um

[1:31:18] Trustee Luckham: thank thank you so i'm just going to wrap it up really

[1:31:21] Trustee Luckham: really quickly with one message as a trustee on Thetis Island and then just

[1:31:26] Trustee Luckham: another piece of information for you. We'll go to our break. You know,

[1:31:31] Trustee Luckham: I would say that on my island, certainly,

[1:31:35] Trustee Luckham: although lots of people did attend the, the 2050

[1:31:42] Trustee Luckham: consultation process that was launched.

[1:31:44] Trustee Luckham: There are certainly many people that don't know what's going on.

[1:31:48] Trustee Luckham: And there are many people that are advocating for others to get more involved, many that are in support of the work that's going ahead and advancing it and continuing to develop it.

[1:32:01] Trustee Luckham: But certainly, we can always do better. This is an amazing learning opportunity for us, and there's certainly lots to learn.

[1:32:09] Trustee Luckham: I think one thing that we have to understand, and it has been talked about at a number of the tables, is this is actually probably the biggest, biggest single community undertaking we've done.

[1:32:21] Trustee Luckham: And we are learning how to do it. And we have learned a lot to this point. And let's hope that we can apply those lessons to what else we're doing.

[1:32:30] Trustee Luckham: but everybody's doing the best job they can. I can't help but think a little tiny story.

[1:32:35] Trustee Luckham: Years ago, I pulled off an off-ramp in Oregon and blew through a stop sign at the end of the

[1:32:43] Trustee Luckham: off-ramp into the parking of the rest stop. And the cop asked me if I saw that stop sign.

[1:32:48] Trustee Luckham: And I didn't because I wasn't expecting a stop sign at the end of a high-speed off-ramp.

[1:32:52] Trustee Luckham: And so it's it's everybody does what they can. And it's and it's it's difficult to manage.

[1:33:00] Trustee Luckham: So the piece of information I'd like to share with you just to make sure it's not a loss is the CAO received a petition here from a couple of members of our community yesterday that it seemed to be two or three individual petitions contained into one piece of which.

[1:33:16] Trustee Luckham: What's important to note is there were some 700 signatures on those petitions that came from the Gulf Islands, came from the Lower Mainland, came from across Canada and across North America.

[1:33:29] Trustee Luckham: I think there was even a few from abroad.

[1:33:32] Trustee Luckham: And so just want to make sure that you all know that and that members of the public know that that has been received here.

[1:33:38] Trustee Luckham: And indeed, we have heard that message.

[1:33:42] Trustee Luckham: and certainly there's lots of messaging about slowing down

[1:33:51] Trustee Luckham: and I appreciate that and support those notions as well.

[1:33:54] Trustee Luckham: So I'm

[1:33:55] Trustee Maude: going to go

[1:33:55] Trustee Luckham: to the break here now

[1:33:56] Trustee Luckham: and let's just go for 10 minutes

[1:33:58] Trustee Luckham: if that's okay with everybody

[1:34:00] Trustee Luckham: and we'll reconvene at 1045

[1:34:03] Trustee Luckham: and we'll continue on starting with Salt Spring Island

[1:34:07] Trustee Luckham: and then we will move into Deb Morrison

[1:34:10] Trustee Luckham: in introducing the topic at hand and have that discussion thank you everybody for a great morning

[1:45:17] Voice 11: everybody

[1:45:18] Trustee Luckham: we're coming back online we're online okay

[1:45:20] Voice 11: thank you um

[1:45:23] Trustee Luckham: so thank you everybody for

[1:45:25] Trustee Luckham: returning promptly um we're going to continue on with this trustee round table here beginning with

[1:45:32] Trustee Luckham: salt spring island just note um there's messaging in the chat that is impossible for me to actually

[1:45:42] Trustee Luckham: respond in and participate in reminders about did I forget theaters or did I forget

[1:45:47] Trustee Luckham: mesquite I think I've not forgotten

[1:45:49] Trustee Luckham: anybody but it's almost impossible for me to respond

[1:45:54] Trustee Luckham: to the chat and keep in touch with all of you so let's go to Salt Spring Island Peter Grove

[1:46:02] Trustee Luckham: and Laura Patrick thank

[1:46:05] Trustee Grove: you very much and can you hear me okay yes good

[1:46:09] Trustee Grove: thanks and I will be brief

[1:46:11] Trustee Grove: It's very very clear to me that our community is crying out to slow this process down, and I will support that. There is, there is no rush.

[1:46:20] Trustee Grove: I would like to see it.

[1:46:23] Trustee Grove: Not much longer than three months if that's possible. But anyway, we do need to slow down and do some additional thinking. Thank you.

[1:46:34] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, sir. Laura Patrick.

[1:46:36] Trustee Grove: good

[1:46:37] Trustee Patrick: good morning good morning yes um i i'm you know i'm a process geek and i was trying my

[1:46:45] Trustee Patrick: understanding is the process as we were going forward was that you know we sort of had the

[1:46:49] Trustee Patrick: broad islands 2050 that then was going to result in a in a in a draft of the policy statement that

[1:46:55] Trustee Patrick: sort of reflected the the 26 of us sitting sitting around here and um you know that it that it it was

[1:47:03] Trustee Patrick: the things that we share the things that we have in common and that you know contribute to the

[1:47:09] Trustee Patrick: greater greater public good but we did break down and had some you know arguments of are we talking

[1:47:16] Trustee Patrick: about community community environment you know and so we were you know in in that dialogue

[1:47:23] Trustee Patrick: and then when the draft sort of got out then the narrative just kind of went

[1:47:30] Trustee Patrick: salt spring um into a hundred different areas and i think it's 20 plus years of pent-up

[1:47:37] Trustee Patrick: frustration that's uh that has um shown itself i've spent a lot of time talking to a lot of

[1:47:45] Trustee Patrick: people in the last few weeks and it's it's been a good experience uh almost every one of them has

[1:47:52] Trustee Patrick: had this little uh piece of paper in their hand that got into their mailboxes from the uh message

[1:47:57] Trustee Patrick: to all residents. And they believed it. That was what they believed. I had some fantastic,

[1:48:04] Trustee Patrick: one of the best meetings I had was with the marine construction and service industry.

[1:48:08] Trustee Patrick: When I went into that meeting, I thought, ooh, this is going to be interesting. But it was a

[1:48:12] Trustee Patrick: fabulous meeting. This is a group of people who understand the issues that we're facing

[1:48:17] Trustee Patrick: and just wanted to be part of the conversation, part of the solution. And it was, it really,

[1:48:24] Trustee Patrick: really, really showed me how important it is. So, you know, like I said, the process before,

[1:48:31] Trustee Patrick: when we get a draft and we use that draft as sort of the starting point to have the

[1:48:34] Trustee Patrick: in-depth engagement, I do support sort of backing up a little bit here and having

[1:48:42] Trustee Patrick: engagement. And I'd like to make sure today that we make sure we take time to talk about what that

[1:48:48] Trustee Patrick: engagement is. What does that look like? How are we going to resource it? And I think that's

[1:48:52] Trustee Patrick: critically important um and that's just my ask uh today that we do that thanks okay

[1:49:01] Trustee Luckham: thank you uh

[1:49:02] Trustee Luckham: laura uh so main island um we have janine dodds and david maud okay

[1:49:09] Voice 28: well i just wanted to say

[1:49:11] Voice 28: if you've heard lots of really good information i think the major thing um for main island was that

[1:49:17] Voice 28: there was a lot of misinformation and so dave and i were able to have a great meeting on monday with

[1:49:23] Voice 28: with about 80 of our constituents at the park.

[1:49:26] Voice 28: And I'll let Dave speak about that meeting more,

[1:49:29] Voice 28: but also the Facebook page that started,

[1:49:32] Voice 28: you know, well, there's lots of misinformation.

[1:49:34] Voice 28: The Facebook page, I think allowed

[1:49:36] Voice 28: some of the proper information to get out there.

[1:49:39] Voice 28: It allowed people to reach out throughout all the islands

[1:49:42] Voice 28: through the Facebook page.

[1:49:43] Voice 28: So I really want to thank Russ

[1:49:45] Voice 28: for his wonderful six minute video

[1:49:48] Voice 28: of the group who delivered the petition yesterday.

[1:49:50] Voice 28: It was done very graciously.

[1:49:52] Voice 28: the questions he had to answer being put on the spot because peter wasn't there yet i think he did

[1:49:58] Voice 28: a wonderful job um the biggest message from me is that obviously with covid and with zoom not in

[1:50:05] Voice 28: person meetings um both dave and i our work lives are like nuts upside down mess i don't think people

[1:50:12] Voice 28: realized the impact of what the policy statement was going to be about and i think that the more

[1:50:18] Voice 28: more information people have, the more true information they have, the better a response

[1:50:23] Voice 28: you'll get. So I see all of this as a positive. People are becoming engaged. They're starting to

[1:50:29] Voice 28: understand that there are issues we're going to have to deal with. And so when we had that open

[1:50:33] Voice 28: house, there wasn't a lot of interest. People were just carrying on with their lives. But now people

[1:50:38] Voice 28: are going to have to pay a lot more attention. So I see this as a positive, and I just wanted

[1:50:43] Voice 28: that to be the message for me. I'll let Dave speak about our meeting. Thank you.

[1:50:47] Trustee Luckham: thank you janine uh david ma thank

[1:50:50] Trustee Maude: you um yes it was a meeting that was called

[1:50:55] Trustee Maude: by residents so we were basically guests at the meeting and they were bright articulate

[1:51:02] Trustee Maude: respective questions that were very deep in nature and it sort of janine and i did our very best to

[1:51:09] Trustee Maude: answer uh the questions but it it did show you know how much thought um the residents on our

[1:51:16] Trustee Maude: our island had put into what was happening and their sincere concerns.

[1:51:21] Trustee Maude: But to me personally, through this last couple of weeks,

[1:51:26] Trustee Maude: what has hit me very, very strongly is the messages that we have gotten

[1:51:31] Trustee Maude: from the First Nations people who live on Galliano, Salt Spring,

[1:51:36] Trustee Maude: Pender and Main Island, that they feel that this document

[1:51:40] Trustee Maude: does not work for them at all.

[1:51:42] Trustee Maude: And that level of discomfort really, really does make me agree

[1:51:46] Trustee Maude: with with many of the other trustees that it is time to sort of maybe pause and reflect and and

[1:51:52] Trustee Maude: sort of look at how what the road forward should be because it seems that maybe we're not where

[1:51:58] Trustee Maude: we think we should be thank you thank you david uh

[1:52:03] Trustee Luckham: north pender island uh ben mcconkey and dev

[1:52:05] Trustee Luckham: morris i

[1:52:08] Trustee McConchie: remember it was like a rainy day in november when i went to the islands 2050

[1:52:13] Trustee McConchie: 50 gathering at the Anglican Church. And I think there was about eight staff there and maybe 11

[1:52:18] Trustee McConchie: people from the community. And at the subsequent trust council meeting, I asked our CAO, you know,

[1:52:26] Trustee McConchie: what's up? Are we engaging Islanders in an effective way if there's only a certain amount

[1:52:30] Trustee McConchie: of people? And I believe the CAO words at the time were, this is one of the greatest achievements in

[1:52:35] Trustee McConchie: the history of the Islands Trust. Now, fast forward through COVID and all of the stuff we've

[1:52:41] Trustee McConchie: been dealing with our communities are stressed out right now people have been worried about

[1:52:47] Trustee McConchie: surviving and what we're seeing now as a result of what I would call misinformation terrorism I mean

[1:52:56] Trustee McConchie: I'm not sure why folks didn't sign the letter that got put in the mailbox you guys had good

[1:53:01] Trustee McConchie: questions good points I wish you would have signed the letter so we could address your concerns

[1:53:06] Trustee McConchie: specifically but now we have an opportunity for people to get engaged which was the whole point

[1:53:12] Trustee McConchie: of the island's 2050 thing to begin with right i've never had so much so many phone calls in all

[1:53:17] Trustee McConchie: my life facebook is engaged this is exactly what we want this is phenomenal phenomenal news and a

[1:53:24] Trustee McConchie: phenomenal opportunity given the fact that it's been the hottest temperature in recorded history

[1:53:30] Trustee McConchie: you know like in western canada it made international news we've got the town of

[1:53:35] Trustee McConchie: lit and burning down we've discovered graves of residential school kids it's times have changed

[1:53:42] Trustee McConchie: right since we first started this so now what a great opportunity we can discuss how to properly

[1:53:47] Trustee McConchie: get a hold of the folks here that live in the islands hear what they think starts start something

[1:53:53] Trustee McConchie: that really has meaningful engagement so i hope we discuss that today at the meeting so thanks for

[1:53:59] Trustee McConchie: listening. Thank you, Ben. Deb Morrison.

[1:54:02] Trustee Morrison: Thanks, Ben. So I'm going to just like name right up front

[1:54:08] Trustee Morrison: that I have read every piece of correspondence that's come in because I have not responded to

[1:54:13] Trustee Morrison: it all because it's frankly overwhelming and I don't have a secretary. And so like it's a real

[1:54:19] Trustee Morrison: thing when we're working people to be able to manage that kind of workload. I have tried to

[1:54:24] Trustee Morrison: to respond to folks who have not done form letters who've given more like detailed comments and like

[1:54:30] Trustee Morrison: responded to some things or who asked for requests for information specifically I've tried to respond

[1:54:35] Trustee Morrison: to those um and I have also provided such things on social media which I actually found it really

[1:54:41] Trustee Morrison: interesting to listen in into the conversation in the Facebook space um but I do people on saying

[1:54:48] Trustee Morrison: that like I have heard in community. Things like, oh, well, there's, you know, 1200 people or

[1:54:54] Trustee Morrison: something on the Facebook group. I'm in there too. It doesn't mean that everybody agrees or

[1:54:58] Trustee Morrison: is uniform in how they respond. But it is a really great engagement space. I think we also need to

[1:55:08] Trustee Morrison: be a little cautious about understanding who shows up to meetings isn't all about who's being

[1:55:13] Trustee Morrison: heard. Okay. So correspondence and informal conversations in our community are ways we

[1:55:18] Trustee Morrison: communicate as trustees. And there are definitely ways that I've communicated. So I want to just

[1:55:23] Trustee Morrison: take a moment to tell you about one call that I think exemplifies this issue. Cause I've had

[1:55:28] Trustee Morrison: on both sides, I've had people like loving it and I've had people hating it all different in between,

[1:55:33] Trustee Morrison: but I had a call from a person who started out with a lot of concerns, had read the things from

[1:55:39] Trustee Morrison: from different people that were going around around misinformation was super concerned.

[1:55:43] Trustee Morrison: So I asked him to be very specific about what his concerns were. And so he asked a couple

[1:55:49] Trustee Morrison: questions. So we had a really great conversation about what those things are. And I unpacked it

[1:55:54] Trustee Morrison: for him. And then we got into some more detail about like concerns he had about specific pieces.

[1:55:59] Trustee Morrison: He'd read the work. So we went through specific pieces and get some great feedback that we'll

[1:56:05] Trustee Morrison: bring to the conversation today. And I think that's what engagement looks like. It's what

[1:56:11] Trustee Morrison: Ben just said. It's sparking in interest in having those conversations. And then us as trustees

[1:56:17] Trustee Morrison: taking the time to both educate ourselves and educate our community and not have a preconceived

[1:56:22] Trustee Morrison: idea about what has to come out the other end, but have like an ethic of how we're working towards

[1:56:28] Trustee Morrison: it. So thanks to all who have engaged in those conversations. And the more specific that we can

[1:56:34] Trustee Morrison: get in what works or doesn't i think the better so thanks so much for for all of that feedback

[1:56:43] Trustee Luckham: so south pender island cameron thorne and steve wright well

[1:56:48] Voice 7: thanks chair luckum um um i've

[1:56:52] Voice 7: certainly i've i've done my best like deb to read all the correspondence whether it's from our from

[1:56:58] Voice 7: our island or from the other islands and there's certainly been a lot of correspondence um i've

[1:57:02] Voice 7: I've also had conversations with a number of people on, on our Island.

[1:57:07] Voice 7: And then folks I know from adjacent Islands that have contacted me as well.

[1:57:13] Voice 7: You know, there's concerns about,

[1:57:15] Voice 7: about process and there's concerns about content and at least from the people

[1:57:21] Voice 7: that I've heard from the, the,

[1:57:24] Voice 7: the content is something that, that certainly needs to be

[1:57:29] Voice 7: investigated, studied, debated in more detail.

[1:57:32] Voice 7: But I think at the primary point, it's a matter of process, which relates to, you know, how we proceed from this point, whether we get first reading or whether we do something different.

[1:57:41] Voice 7: And certainly the comments that I've had that I've received is that we shouldn't be going to first read at this point in time that that and it's not it's not as though folks don't understand what first reading is.

[1:57:53] Voice 7: uh first reading is uh as as i i'm one of the trustees earlier cited um one of the one of the

[1:58:03] Voice 7: lawyers who spoke about how first read is perceived i think it's i think you know if you

[1:58:09] Voice 7: if you've close to to sort of putting a scope around the parameters of what you want to

[1:58:14] Voice 7: see up as a final bylaw first reading is is perhaps appropriate but in this case given

[1:58:20] Voice 7: given the fact that we're not talking about a discrete topic or a subject matter, but we're

[1:58:25] Voice 7: talking about something very broad, like a whole bunch of things covered off in the trust policy

[1:58:30] Voice 7: statement, some of which are things that there's a legitimate debate about whether they're sort of

[1:58:36] Voice 7: ultra viruses to the trust object. And so for that reason, people are saying, I'm not even sure if

[1:58:42] Voice 7: we're even in the ballpark and we shouldn't be going to first reading at this time, but we should

[1:58:45] Voice 7: be putting it out there as a discussion paper and and i think uh i think the good in this is that

[1:58:52] Voice 7: is that um we certainly uh engage people and maybe not in the way that we intended to it didn't it it

[1:58:59] Voice 7: probably rolled out differently than intended but certainly you've got people's attention i think at

[1:59:04] Voice 7: this point in time again taking a pause putting this out here as a discussion paper is the way

[1:59:11] Voice 7: way to go. COVID, as many people have mentioned, hasn't helped things. I'm not debating the fact

[1:59:16] Voice 7: that there wasn't a lot of engagement. I think there was, but one of the problems is that,

[1:59:21] Voice 7: you know, whether it was, you know, kiosks on the ferry or online opportunities, you know,

[1:59:27] Voice 7: information is, there's been a portal to submit information, but people haven't had an opportunity

[1:59:32] Voice 7: to see the summation of that information until now. So I think we need to pause and put it out

[1:59:38] Voice 7: there's a discussion paper and and and I think the other thing that it will do is it will increase

[1:59:44] Voice 7: the legitimacy of the organization in the eyes of a lot of our residents because I think a lot

[1:59:48] Voice 7: of people are concerned that somehow the organization is hell-bent on going forward

[1:59:53] Voice 7: with this no matter what the views of the of our electorate are so I think we should stop and

[1:59:58] Voice 7: and I and I hope

[2:00:00] Voice 7: trustees take that into account

[2:00:01] Voice 7: as we work through this discussion today.

[2:00:03] Voice 7: Thank you.

[2:00:04] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Trustee Thorne.

[2:00:06] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Wright.

[2:00:09] Voice 30: Well, I don't have much to add to what Cam said,

[2:00:13] Voice 30: but he's right.

[2:00:14] Voice 30: We have had a mixed bag of responses and as a result,

[2:00:19] Voice 30: it's accelerated the awareness of this review

[2:00:22] Voice 30: and both have to deal with the content and also the process.

[2:00:28] Voice 30: It has been spurned on by a small vocal group who has spread, unfortunately, some misinformation and fear about this review and are seemingly trying to turn it into a referendum about whether the trust should continue operating or not.

[2:00:48] Voice 30: But I don't think that it matters much about the legality of the process as we perceive it to be.

[2:00:58] Voice 30: I think what's important here is how our constituents perceive it to be.

[2:01:02] Voice 30: And regardless of how that information has been passed around or even to an extent whether it is true or not,

[2:01:09] Voice 30: I think it behooves us to recognize the fact that there are a lot of people out there

[2:01:15] Voice 30: that just want some accurate information

[2:01:17] Voice 30: and are extremely confused about the process.

[2:01:20] Voice 30: And so I think we need to take a hard look at that.

[2:01:23] Voice 30: And I do not, I have to reflect,

[2:01:28] Voice 30: agree with a number of fellow trustees.

[2:01:30] Voice 30: I don't think there is a real need

[2:01:32] Voice 30: for rushing this thing through.

[2:01:35] Voice 30: I think we should take the time that it takes

[2:01:38] Voice 30: to make sure this continues.

[2:01:40] Voice 30: I would like to point out though,

[2:01:42] Voice 30: and perhaps the CAO can correct me if I'm wrong,

[2:01:46] Voice 30: but I don't believe that there's a statutory requirement

[2:01:50] Voice 30: such as the regional districts have

[2:01:52] Voice 30: for the Islands Trust to consult with the public.

[2:01:54] Voice 30: And the only commitment that we make

[2:01:57] Voice 30: to committing and public engagement

[2:01:59] Voice 30: comes from a policy within that policy statement.

[2:02:03] Voice 30: So if that's the case and the ultimate responsibility

[2:02:08] Voice 30: for carrying out that engagement

[2:02:10] Voice 30: is the responsibility of LTCs,

[2:02:15] Voice 30: then I think it's rather unfair for people

[2:02:17] Voice 30: to try and pass off that responsibility

[2:02:20] Voice 30: onto the staff or onto the trust.

[2:02:22] Voice 30: The staff will only undertake public engagement

[2:02:25] Voice 30: if it is approved and delegated by council.

[2:02:29] Voice 30: The rest of it is entirely up to you

[2:02:31] Voice 30: and I think we have to bear the responsibility

[2:02:33] Voice 30: and take the flag for us and that includes me as well.

[2:02:36] Voice 30: So I'll leave it at that.

[2:02:38] Voice 30: I fully intend to have a lot of public meetings,

[2:02:42] Voice 30: in-person meetings on our Island,

[2:02:44] Voice 30: and it's going to take however long it takes,

[2:02:47] Voice 30: but we're going to,

[2:02:48] Voice 30: we're certainly going to get the message out.

[2:02:50] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[2:02:51] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Trustee Wright.

[2:02:55] Trustee Luckham: I'm going to go to Saterna Island

[2:02:59] Trustee Luckham: and Paul Brent, Lee Middleton.

[2:03:05] Voice 3: Okay, well, Saterna Island feels very,

[2:03:08] Voice 3: very strongly about this.

[2:03:09] Voice 3: I think that's reflected in the number of letters and other correspondence.

[2:03:13] Voice 3: And I'm probably to blame because and this is on the public record.

[2:03:18] Voice 3: If people want to listen to the May 3rd reading, when I first saw the draft policy statement, I said this is a significantly changed document.

[2:03:30] Voice 3: It's got good stuff. It's got, in my view, some stuff that's very, very concerning.

[2:03:35] Voice 3: concerning. And so I'm going to bounce it by people, bounce it by former trustees. So I sent

[2:03:43] Voice 3: it to a number of former trustees and other people who read it from end to end. And we had a lengthy

[2:03:51] Voice 3: dialogue. And without exception, all of them were extremely concerned about the loss of autonomy

[2:04:00] Voice 3: economy for our islands. So that engagement spun further. I also want to address this whole thing

[2:04:08] Voice 3: about first reading being a normal government process. Well, it probably is a normal government

[2:04:12] Voice 3: process, but it's not a normal Islands Trust process. I asked at one of those meetings,

[2:04:22] Voice 3: I can't remember whether it was May 3rd or June 15th, the director of planning, so David Marler,

[2:04:29] Voice 3: long long term uh is it normal to bring a bylaw to first reading and he said no that's not our norm

[2:04:36] Voice 3: normally it's received and it's taken out for consultation and then after there's been

[2:04:42] Voice 3: public consultation we take it to first reading so um yeah so great it is a normal government

[2:04:50] Voice 3: process it's not a normal process and so this is why saturn island is engaged they know that

[2:04:56] Voice 3: something is different here. Now, I heard the chair say that this is probably the most significant

[2:05:01] Voice 3: work that we've done in decades. And so why? My island's going, it's the most significant work,

[2:05:09] Voice 3: and yet we're, by normal trust process, we seem to be fast-tracking it. So another thing, well,

[2:05:18] Voice 3: lots of public engagement. Again, this might just be Saturna, but the Islands 2050 launched at a

[2:05:26] Voice 3: Christmas craft market, where it was a table in the corner. So yeah, there are lots of people that

[2:05:33] Voice 3: attend our Christmas craft market. But merely the fact of going by and saying, oh, what's this?

[2:05:39] Voice 3: I mean, I even mentioned, and again, this is public, to people within the trust, hey, this

[2:05:47] Voice 3: wasn't really about the island's trust policy statement. And they said, you know, because

[2:05:52] Voice 3: it's people don't know about it they said no it's more an opportunity to inform islanders about what

[2:05:58] Voice 3: the trust does and that's great but it doesn't it didn't truly inform uh the policy statement so

[2:06:06] Voice 3: you know one last thing is i think a lot of islanders who were deeply uh involved in this

[2:06:12] Voice 3: um felt a little bit offended by saying there's a lot of uh misinformation out there and that you

[2:06:20] Voice 3: You know, islanders really don't understand and they don't protect the environment.

[2:06:24] Voice 3: And that's not how we feel on Saturna Island.

[2:06:28] Voice 3: I'm just wondering just how much the trust area has degraded environmentally in the last 30 years, because I look at the amount of land protected in that space of time and it's massive.

[2:06:41] Voice 3: It's thousands and thousands and thousands of acres.

[2:06:44] Voice 3: And I know on this island, on Saturna Island, local people, islanders, are engaged in protecting land.

[2:06:52] Voice 3: 70 acres last year, and there's a move afoot to preserve another close to 100 acres this year.

[2:06:59] Voice 3: So we're engaged. We're almost 50% protected.

[2:07:03] Voice 3: And, yeah, people are concerned. Thank you.

[2:07:09] Voice 22: Thank you, Paul. Lee Middleton.

[2:07:11] Voice 22: Tim.

[2:07:18] Trustee Middleton: Thank you, Chair. Yes, we've received very strong engagement, as Paul said, and thank you

[2:07:25] Trustee Middleton: to everyone who has participated. It's real sort of participatory democracy in action, it seems to

[2:07:31] Trustee Middleton: me, because we've not had people who are opposed. We've had people who say, this is one of the more

[2:07:37] Trustee Middleton: significant things the Trust has done in a long time. Let's, in face of the real crisis situations

[2:07:44] Trustee Middleton: situations we're dealing with in terms of climate change, reconciliation, etc. Let's make this policy

[2:07:48] Trustee Middleton: work. We've had some very, very deep input that I think shows how necessary it is to reach out to

[2:07:54] Trustee Middleton: communities. Some of the excellent submissions we've had, Rennie Stephen, Jane Morley, Rob Allaway,

[2:08:02] Trustee Middleton: Pat Carney, Sean Nadal, just to name a few, far, far, far from being form letters. They're deep,

[2:08:07] Trustee Middleton: deep deep um examinations of the policy here and you know they point out such things as we have a

[2:08:14] Trustee Middleton: very relative definition of what is scientific knowledge and what counts as scientific evidence

[2:08:20] Trustee Middleton: um that that cannot be the basis of the bylaw there needs to be a lot of work done there

[2:08:25] Trustee Middleton: um and people want a strong document that is serviceable for the future um that is clear

[2:08:33] Trustee Middleton: and they've been very very direct in saying please don't go to first reading and in my view I think

[2:08:42] Trustee Middleton: that that is in fact democracy is we at the very minimum have to honor that request given that it

[2:08:49] Trustee Middleton: was so largely made and I'll make I won't make it now of course but just to let the chair direct

[2:08:54] Trustee Middleton: traffic I'll make a motion asking for executive to come up with an enhanced consultation and

[2:09:01] Trustee Middleton: across all the islands and stakeholders and for the time being simply receive this document

[2:09:07] Trustee Middleton: until trust council can approve that plan at the next meeting i think that's what so many people

[2:09:12] Trustee Middleton: have asked us for i think that's the right thing to do i think it'll make a much stronger policy

[2:09:18] Trustee Middleton: and a stronger policy will better um basically um allow us to deal with the emergencies we face

[2:09:27] Trustee Middleton: thank you that's two minutes oh thank

[2:09:31] Trustee Middleton: you that discipline chair

[2:09:33] Trustee Luckham: excellent thank

[2:09:35] Trustee Luckham: you that's uh

[2:09:36] Trustee Luckham: a good example trustee middleton appreciate that okay trustee um i hope that you found this um

[2:09:48] Trustee Luckham: session helpful um to kind of clear the air figure where out where we're at what we've been hearing

[2:09:54] Trustee Luckham: and so now at 11 10 my plan was to go through to about 12 12 15 let's just say 12 15 for argument's

[2:10:04] Trustee Luckham: sake um let us now turn to uh islands trust policy statement draft bylaw number 183 consideration of

[2:10:12] Trustee Luckham: first reading and next steps for engagement rfb and indeed there's a number of recommendations

[2:10:17] Trustee Luckham: there that are just simply recommendations it's up to this council what motions we'd like to

[2:10:21] Trustee Luckham: advance i'm hopeful that in all personally in all situations that we might consider addressing some

[2:10:28] Trustee Luckham: amendments as i know some trustees want to do regardless of what actually happens with this

[2:10:35] Trustee Luckham: document in the future here i'm going to turn this however at this point to a chair of trust programs

[2:10:42] Trustee Luckham: committee um for her and that committee i want to thank them for the work that they've done to

[2:10:48] Trustee Luckham: to advance this and the subgroups

[2:10:50] Trustee Luckham: that have thought a great deal about the major topics,

[2:10:56] Trustee Luckham: major topics contained in the new draft policy statement.

[2:11:00] Trustee Luckham: And I won't say anything further.

[2:11:03] Trustee Luckham: Over to you, Chair Morrison.

[2:11:06] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[2:11:09] Trustee Morrison: And as many of you know,

[2:11:10] Trustee Morrison: I often just talk off the top of my head,

[2:11:14] Trustee Morrison: but given the number of different things

[2:11:16] Trustee Morrison: that are here today,

[2:11:19] Trustee Morrison: I'm going to use some prepared notes. So if you can just bear with me for a minute.

[2:11:26] Trustee Morrison: Okay, so the new draft policy statement that you have before you represents an opportunity for the

[2:11:33] Trustee Morrison: Allens Trust to boldly respond to the modern day challenges facing the Allens Trust area.

[2:11:38] Trustee Morrison: This trust council at the very beginning of this term has made a commitment to reconciliation,

[2:11:43] Trustee Morrison: striving to honor the rich diversity, history, stewardship, and cultural heritage that embodies

[2:11:48] Trustee Morrison: is this place that we all call home. In addition, we've made a commitment to address the climate

[2:11:52] Trustee Morrison: emergency. Those were motions made early in the term. The trust area is struggling through a

[2:11:58] Trustee Morrison: biodiversity crisis, climate adaptation challenges, and acute lack of affordable housing.

[2:12:02] Trustee Morrison: Given these realities, our work as a land use planning organization with a core mandate to

[2:12:08] Trustee Morrison: preserve and protect this incredible region, it's not easy. After 25 years, Trust Council has finally

[2:12:15] Trustee Morrison: dedicated effort this term towards updating the policy statement. The trust policy statement is

[2:12:21] Trustee Morrison: something that helps to implement the Islands Trust Act, given the realities of the time and

[2:12:25] Trustee Morrison: the will of trustees. This is important work. It is making us take a closer look at our values,

[2:12:32] Trustee Morrison: our priorities, and the state of the world around us. As a trust council, we have discussed our

[2:12:37] Trustee Morrison: different points of view and our different visions for what will guide the development of this

[2:12:41] Trustee Morrison: document. This has not been an easy document to write. We have a common aspiration to preserve

[2:12:46] Trustee Morrison: and protect the trust area with some very different ideas about how to best enact this

[2:12:52] Trustee Morrison: vision. This diversity can be our strength if we all commit to respectful, truthful,

[2:12:57] Trustee Morrison: and constructive dialogue. I ask that in our conversation today, we keep our comments civil

[2:13:02] Trustee Morrison: and respectful. Our decisions should provide clear reasoning and ensure that we are working

[2:13:06] Trustee Morrison: towards decisions best for the trust area, our communities, the province of British Columbia,

[2:13:12] Trustee Morrison: and all those who cannot speak for themselves, the non-human organisms and future generations

[2:13:17] Trustee Morrison: of this region. Over the last 18 months, we've heard from the members of the public

[2:13:22] Trustee Morrison: and First Nations about concerns and values they feel we should be addressing. All of this has

[2:13:28] Trustee Morrison: informed the Trust Programs Committee's drafting of this document, which has been an intensive

[2:13:33] Trustee Morrison: extensive representing a huge time commitment for some committee members. I should at this

[2:13:39] Trustee Morrison: moment tell you that all trustees were invited into this process. Continued refinements will,

[2:13:48] Trustee Morrison: continued conversations will inform refinements to this draft and all work in this area.

[2:13:52] Trustee Morrison: However, trustees role here today is to deliberate on this input and make steps forward on what

[2:13:58] Trustee Morrison: should be the next steps at this point. I want to acknowledge at this time, the members of the

[2:14:03] Trustee Morrison: the Trust Programs Committee, Trustees Paul Grant, Scott Colburn, David Critchley, Doug Fenton,

[2:14:09] Trustee Morrison: Michael Cayley, Case Langerice, Ben McConkie, Tim Peterson, and Dan Rogers for this work on this

[2:14:15] Trustee Morrison: document, as well as Chair Luck on the ex-officio on

[2:14:18] Trustee Morrison: the committee, and the work of the Executive

[2:14:21] Trustee Morrison: Committee and members of staff involved in this process. I'm not going to name staff members here

[2:14:27] Trustee Morrison: today because this is not about them in this moment. It's about us and the decisions we make.

[2:14:33] Trustee Morrison: As per Trust Council's discretion, this round of amendments in the policy statement has focused

[2:14:38] Trustee Morrison: on the priority areas of reconciliation, climate change, and affordable housing,

[2:14:41] Trustee Morrison: with some additional updates for clarity, brevity, and accuracy.

[2:14:45] Trustee Morrison: As committees, we've done our best to reflect Trust Council's desire that we respond in a

[2:14:50] Trustee Morrison: meaningful way. I recall that we were all profoundly affected in March by the discussion

[2:14:57] Trustee Morrison: paper we received outlining the Trust's legacy of inaction to meaningfully redress its colonial

[2:15:03] Trustee Morrison: history. We were dismayed to see no evidence to suggest the Islands Trust Councils and local

[2:15:08] Trustee Morrison: trust committees of the past ever undertook to locate, identify, and protect archaeological areas

[2:15:13] Trustee Morrison: and to preserve and protect Indigenous ancestral loved ones, resting places, and cold heritage

[2:15:19] Trustee Morrison: sites, despite having the authority to do so. Our responsibility to reconciliation means that we need

[2:15:24] Trustee Morrison: to find new ways forward in First Nations consultations. Currently, First Nations consultations

[2:15:31] Trustee Morrison: have worked government to government not trust to each and every indigenous person perhaps going

[2:15:36] Trustee Morrison: forward we can find better way better and new ways in our own local trust committees um to and local

[2:15:43] Trustee Morrison: trust areas to be more in sustained relationship with those indigenous peoples living on the

[2:15:48] Trustee Morrison: islands and those first nations in whose territories we reside to improve such consultation

[2:15:53] Trustee Morrison: processes we have all experienced climate change happening and i was so sad to read um recently

[2:16:00] Trustee Morrison: recently in the Times, colonists, about a billion seashore animals dying in the Salish Sea during

[2:16:05] Trustee Morrison: recent heat wave. We also know that many people struggle to find safe, secure, and affordable

[2:16:09] Trustee Morrison: housing, and that the gap between those who can and those who cannot afford a home in the islands

[2:16:15] Trustee Morrison: is growing rapidly. The convergence of all these challenges are compounding the vulnerabilities of

[2:16:21] Trustee Morrison: the trust area systems and communities. As the draft new policy statement suggests, it is time

[2:16:27] Trustee Morrison: for bolder place-based multi-generational and integrated solutions that address equity diversity

[2:16:32] Trustee Morrison: and inclusion in meaningful ways while respecting the natural limitations and adaptive capacities

[2:16:37] Trustee Morrison: of island ecosystems trust council's committees have worked to draft a document with policies

[2:16:43] Trustee Morrison: that address these topics in a comprehensive and systemic way informed by public engagement and

[2:16:48] Trustee Morrison: first nations engagement processes we strive for strong policy coherence so that all of the

[2:16:53] Trustee Morrison: policies contained within the policy statement mutually reinforce each other or at the very

[2:16:57] Trustee Morrison: least do not counteract each other and it may not be perfect yet likely isn't and we need some

[2:17:02] Trustee Morrison: amendments some of you have already had a chance or several chances to propose changes to this

[2:17:07] Trustee Morrison: document and to ask questions through committees you sit on but this is the first time we will

[2:17:12] Trustee Morrison: consider this document together as the trust council this is the time for trust council to

[2:17:18] Trustee Morrison: consider and amend the document before seeking feedback from the public further feedback from

[2:17:23] Trustee Morrison: First Nations and referral agencies. I want to stress that you're being provided with a draft

[2:17:28] Trustee Morrison: and both Trust Programs Committee and Executive Committee have the expectation that this document

[2:17:33] Trustee Morrison: will be amended today and each time we review it together. In addition, this is a living document

[2:17:40] Trustee Morrison: that will need to adapt to changing times while still preserving its core vision as embodied by

[2:17:45] Trustee Morrison: the Islands Trust object. There have been discussions within the Council to ensure that

[2:17:50] Trustee Morrison: updates to the statement at more regular intervals in the future go on so that another 25 years

[2:17:55] Trustee Morrison: without updates does not happen and we can adapt to new and emerging technology and realities as

[2:18:01] Trustee Morrison: they unfold. We have heard a strong desire from some members of the public to be able to offer

[2:18:06] Trustee Morrison: comment on a draft document. The question we are faced with is what version of the draft are we

[2:18:12] Trustee Morrison: intending to get comments on? As you know we have months of public engagement planned ahead and

[2:18:19] Trustee Morrison: And we'll also be looking for referrals to various agencies and First Nations.

[2:18:24] Trustee Morrison: It is fantastic that so many people want to offer their ideas.

[2:18:28] Trustee Morrison: And I know we all look forward to hearing how we can collectively improve this document

[2:18:32] Trustee Morrison: and work towards its adoption.

[2:18:35] Trustee Morrison: Regardless of an official first reading or not, we want to ensure that we are clear on

[2:18:40] Trustee Morrison: what draft will circulate for public consultation to avoid chaos or confusion.

[2:18:44] Trustee Morrison: fusion. I look forward to constructive and positive discussion today to advance our work.

[2:18:50] Trustee Morrison: Specifically, I ask that our work today is to craft motions that may provide direction for

[2:18:56] Trustee Morrison: shifts in structure and content of the current draft policy statement, and upon which we can

[2:19:01] Trustee Morrison: make some decisions to further a collective draft into our community's broader consultation.

[2:19:06] Trustee Morrison: In addition, we may also need to draft motions to specifically, or to specify a consultation

[2:19:12] Trustee Morrison: consultation process to ensure we are all committed to particular actions over the coming

[2:19:16] Trustee Morrison: months. Finally, it is clear to me that there are real concerns among diverse sectors of our

[2:19:22] Trustee Morrison: communities about how effective consultation has been up until this point. I ask that we not pause

[2:19:31] Trustee Morrison: so much as find concrete strategies for active engagement and learning in and with our communities

[2:19:37] Trustee Morrison: in the next steps of this process we decide on.

[2:19:40] Trustee Morrison: Pausing indicates inaction.

[2:19:42] Trustee Morrison: I stress that inaction is not in the interest

[2:19:45] Trustee Morrison: of our communities, justice,

[2:19:47] Trustee Morrison: or the environmental changes we're facing.

[2:19:49] Trustee Morrison: To this end, we can alter how we go forward

[2:19:52] Trustee Morrison: if we come to agreement on a draft to circulate today

[2:19:56] Trustee Morrison: to ensure that more effective consultation is done

[2:19:58] Trustee Morrison: in the next phase of work.

[2:20:00] Trustee Morrison: As such, I'd like to offer several motions

[2:20:03] Trustee Morrison: for consideration around this process.

[2:20:05] Trustee Morrison: However, I want to ask the will of council to consider these motions on timing and consultation first or after we hear amendments to the current drafts, content and structure.

[2:20:23] Trustee Luckham: Okay, Trustee Morrison. So was there a question there for council at the end?

[2:20:29] Trustee Luckham: Yeah,

[2:20:30] Trustee Morrison: so my question is whether folks would like me to put on on table so we can just clear the air about timing of the first reading or not so that we can get on with amendments, or whether we actually deal with amendments first and then talk timing and process.

[2:20:47] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so I see a couple of hands up.

[2:20:52] Trustee Luckham: And so the question from the chair of TPC is whether or not you want to see some idea

[2:20:59] Trustee Luckham: about timing and motions, or do you want to speak to amendments?

[2:21:04] Trustee Luckham: Is that correct?

[2:21:05] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Morrison?

[2:21:06] Trustee Luckham: Yeah.

[2:21:06] Trustee Luckham: So let's kind of maybe just get a general feel here to see which how we want to go.

[2:21:12] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Rockefeller, and then Peterson.

[2:21:15] Voice 14: um actually i had my hand up to make a motion but i will make a comment on that though i feel like

[2:21:20] Voice 14: maybe me um speaking on amendments before having a motion on direction might be confusing um so

[2:21:30] Trustee Luckham: i'm sorry i missed part of what you said there just for clarity for trustees you were saying

[2:21:36] Voice 14: um just that i think that possibly speaking on amendments before having a motion on the table

[2:21:45] Voice 14: it might be difficult.

[2:21:49] Voice 20: Rather have motions than have amendments first.

[2:21:51] Trustee Luckham: That's the point.

[2:21:52] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[2:21:54] Trustee Luckham: So Trustee Peterson, Middleton, Rogers,

[2:21:59] Trustee Luckham: and I'll look for Trustee Morrison to determine

[2:22:02] Trustee Luckham: at what point she thinks she's heard enough of it.

[2:22:05] Trustee Luckham: Go ahead, Tim Peterson, Lee Middleton, Trustee Rogers.

[2:22:14] Voice 26: Thank you, Chair.

[2:22:15] Voice 26: Chair, yeah, I'm in favor of working

[2:22:20] Voice 26: on the timing question first and then getting into.

[2:22:26] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so I'm starting to hear a tendency

[2:22:29] Trustee Luckham: to go towards the motions for timing.

[2:22:33] Trustee Luckham: So Middleton-Rogers.

[2:22:37] Trustee Middleton: Yeah, thanks, Chair.

[2:22:38] Trustee Middleton: No, I concur with that.

[2:22:39] Trustee Middleton: I think we really have to entertain motions

[2:22:41] Trustee Middleton: in regard timing before we begin to address motions

[2:22:45] Trustee Middleton: that are in essence edits of the document.

[2:22:48] Trustee Luckham: okay um i'll just give maybe the last word because it's the last hand i see up to trustee

[2:22:54] Trustee Luckham: rogers on this and then i'll turn to trustee morrison to take the lead go ahead trustee rogers

[2:22:59] Trustee Rogers: uh thank you very much um i agree with that i think it's important for us to deal with the

[2:23:05] Trustee Rogers: timing issue and the and the uh seems to me we have three things and there may be more but three

[2:23:12] Trustee Rogers: fundamental things to deal with today first is what are we going to do procedurally secondly

[2:23:17] Trustee Rogers: Secondly, what amendments or to the document

[2:23:21] Trustee Rogers: do we want you to make?

[2:23:22] Trustee Rogers: And the third is what is our engagement process

[2:23:24] Trustee Rogers: going to look like going forward?

[2:23:26] Trustee Rogers: So those are the three, there may be others,

[2:23:28] Trustee Rogers: but those are the three fundamental things to talk about.

[2:23:31] Trustee Rogers: And I would think that it would be good given that

[2:23:33] Trustee Rogers: to deal with the timing and how we see this

[2:23:36] Trustee Rogers: met the timing issue first.

[2:23:39] Trustee Rogers: So that's my view.

[2:23:40] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you for crystallizing that Trustee Rogers.

[2:23:43] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Morris or Chair Morrison of GPC

[2:23:46] Trustee Luckham: see over back to you

[2:23:47] Trustee Morrison: trustee rockefeller also have her hand up still or is that i wasn't sure

[2:23:51] Trustee Luckham: if it was still up it's

[2:23:53] Voice 14: because i have my hand up to make a motion and i that's all i see okay

[2:23:58] Trustee Luckham: so trustee morrison do you want at this point to say anything or shall i go to trustee rockefeller

[2:24:02] Trustee Luckham: for what the motion is

[2:24:04] Trustee Morrison: um my questions actually were leading towards the motion just to like

[2:24:09] Trustee Morrison: figure out which which thing to put so um i had asked just to as a question about timing versus

[2:24:17] Trustee Morrison: amendments so i did actually motion related to timing to put on the table but i don't know how

[2:24:22] Trustee Morrison: you want to handle that um

[2:24:24] Trustee Luckham: so okay so trustee rockefeller i want to recognize that you had

[2:24:27] Trustee Luckham: your hand up to make a motion trustee morrison is prepared to make a motion on timing um and so uh

[2:24:34] Trustee Luckham: are you prepared to defer to trustee morrison at this time or do you want to take the lead on this

[2:24:40] Voice 14: I could defer I'm just not sure what the sorry the timing means yeah

[2:24:45] Trustee Morrison: so one of the things that

[2:24:47] Trustee Morrison: we are hearing around the content is about so there's a couple complicated issues here

[2:24:52] Trustee Morrison: one is about how we are going to get this done in this term and why we might want to care about

[2:24:58] Trustee Morrison: that timing the other piece is around what are our steps going forward for getting a

[2:25:05] Trustee Morrison: a consultation process, say, in the next six months, organized in a way that still moves us

[2:25:10] Trustee Morrison: forward, acknowledges the need for community to provide further information and feedback,

[2:25:17] Trustee Morrison: and at the same time also allows us potentially to get some conversations more broadly going

[2:25:22] Trustee Morrison: to inform the next stages of drafts. So that's all kind of in there. That cannot be put in a

[2:25:31] Trustee Morrison: single motion so i've i have three motions that i've asked staff to provide me to help us kind

[2:25:37] Trustee Morrison: of work through that thinking um and that i'm prepared to make at any point so

[2:25:42] Trustee Luckham: trustee morrison

[2:25:43] Trustee Luckham: it might be helpful because i guess there are lots of people that maybe have motions that if

[2:25:47] Trustee Luckham: you could air those motions without moving them and then that might help uh some level of comfort

[2:25:52] Trustee Luckham: to advance accordingly is that okay trustee rockefeller and peterson i just noticed your

[2:25:58] Trustee Luckham: your hands up close up.

[2:25:59] Trustee Luckham: I see thumbs up, thank you, Trustee Morrison back to you.

[2:26:02] Trustee Morrison: So I think it's three motions to get us

[2:26:06] Trustee Morrison: to where we potentially need to be.

[2:26:07] Trustee Morrison: So the first one would be that the Islands Trust

[2:26:09] Trustee Morrison: postpone consideration of first reading of by-law 183

[2:26:13] Trustee Morrison: cited as the Islands Trust Policy Statement 2021

[2:26:15] Trustee Morrison: to December, 2021.

[2:26:17] Trustee Morrison: And before everyone reacts to that, just keep going.

[2:26:20] Trustee Morrison: The second one would be that the Islands Trust Council

[2:26:23] Trustee Morrison: request staff to develop a project charter

[2:26:25] Trustee Morrison: for public engagement on the draft new policy statement for approval and implementation by

[2:26:30] Trustee Morrison: the trust council sorry by the islands trust executive committee and i would argue in that

[2:26:35] Trustee Morrison: moment that we also as individual trustees need to move forward on that in our own ltcs and then

[2:26:40] Trustee Morrison: the last one would be that the trust council requests the draft new policy statement whatever

[2:26:45] Trustee Morrison: we decide that is based on amendments um be referred to first nations bone island municipalities

[2:26:50] Trustee Morrison: local trust committees island stress consistency regional districts improvement districts school

[2:26:54] Trustee Morrison: districts and provincial and federal government agencies and departments having jurisdiction in

[2:27:00] Trustee Morrison: the trust area. We don't actually need to wait to first reading to have that kind of referring if

[2:27:05] Trustee Morrison: we have a public version going out for consultation anyway.

[2:27:10] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you, Trustee Morrison. So I

[2:27:12] Trustee Luckham: see a few thumbs up around the room. And so at this juncture, it seems appropriate for us to move

[2:27:18] Trustee Luckham: to a motion. And I want to just respect the showing of hands here. And I see Rockefeller

[2:27:25] Trustee Luckham: any way for sure ahead of Chair Morrison,

[2:27:30] Trustee Luckham: although Chair Morrison had the floor.

[2:27:32] Trustee Luckham: So how would you like to proceed, Chair Morrison?

[2:27:37] Trustee Morrison: It's really up to you, Chair.

[2:27:39] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[2:27:40] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Rockefeller, you had your hand up first.

[2:27:44] Trustee Luckham: So how would you like to proceed?

[2:27:45] Trustee Luckham: You want to defer to Trustee Morrison

[2:27:47] Trustee Luckham: to make those motions she's proposing?

[2:27:50] Voice 14: Well, two of her motions I agree with,

[2:27:53] Voice 14: and I was going to make a similar motion

[2:27:55] Voice 14: as her first motion, but I feel like it's just not in line

[2:27:59] Voice 14: with what trust actually needs to do

[2:28:04] Voice 14: to get some significant work on the table.

[2:28:06] Voice 14: So I was going to move that the Islands Trust Council

[2:28:08] Voice 14: by-law number 183 cited as Islands Trust Policy Statement

[2:28:12] Voice 14: by-law 2021 be read a first time today.

[2:28:15] Trustee Luckham: All right, so you're making that motion?

[2:28:18] Voice 14: I will, yes.

[2:28:19] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much, Trustee Rockefeller.

[2:28:21] Trustee Luckham: I see seconded by Trustee Fafst.

[2:28:23] Trustee Luckham: you wish to speak to your motion trustee yeah

[2:28:26] Voice 14: i do um so people are asking for a pause in process

[2:28:32] Voice 14: and i think many of those people possibly aren't fully aware of the process and i don't fault them

[2:28:39] Voice 14: for it because it's not an exciting process to go through um however i do believe that as trustees

[2:28:45] Voice 14: we can walk our communities through this process and fully engage especially now that we actually

[2:28:51] Voice 14: have the these people at the table and very excited to participate um we also can't pause

[2:29:01] Voice 14: the housing crisis and we we should not be pausing reconciliation and we absolutely can't

[2:29:08] Voice 14: pause climate change so now is the time for governments us included to be stepping up to

[2:29:14] Voice 14: the plate to be listening to all those people that haven't written us to listen to the

[2:29:19] Voice 14: environment and say okay we'll we'll put those policies on the table and we'll have in-depth

[2:29:26] Voice 14: meaningful discussions about them instead of putting them on the shelf and just hoping that

[2:29:31] Voice 14: either they go away or we'll just talk about them another day um with the current situations in

[2:29:39] Voice 14: regard to wildfire billions of sea life dying lit and burning the floods and the rockies the extreme

[2:29:46] Voice 14: heat and our reconciliation declaration it would seem that it would be uh i can't think of the

[2:29:55] Voice 14: proper word but just inappropriate for us to step back and say not right

[2:30:00] Voice 14: now uh paul possibly this policy needs more direction where it's a carrying capacity what

[2:30:07] Voice 14: about fresh water policies and what about more directive policies in regards to our environmental

[2:30:12] Voice 14: protection um i'm just glad that people are finally getting engaged you know we've had 18

[2:30:19] Voice 14: months of this and there is no timeline for this process we have first reading because as trust

[2:30:25] Voice 14: council we do endorse these three overarching policies and so we have to say yes we do

[2:30:32] Voice 14: embrace the housing crisis and we're addressing it in a policy statement and we absolutely need

[2:30:38] Voice 14: to have reconciliation at the table and housing and the climate crisis is going to destroy us

[2:30:44] Voice 14: unless we start including it so all we're doing is saying here's some ideas now come back to us

[2:30:51] Voice 14: and tell us what you think.

[2:30:52] Voice 14: So I ask trustees to find the courage

[2:30:55] Voice 14: to embrace policy change

[2:30:56] Voice 14: and engage with your constituents

[2:30:58] Voice 14: during this time of transition

[2:30:59] Voice 14: because we actually don't have a choice.

[2:31:03] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you, Trustee Rockefeller.

[2:31:05] Trustee Luckham: And thank you for making the motion.

[2:31:07] Trustee Luckham: And I'm not intending to put you on the spot,

[2:31:10] Trustee Luckham: but I want it to be fair.

[2:31:12] Trustee Luckham: And I thank you for advancing this

[2:31:14] Trustee Luckham: and taking that first step.

[2:31:15] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[2:31:16] Trustee Luckham: I'm going to

[2:31:17] Trustee Luckham: go to the speaker's list here.

[2:31:19] Trustee Luckham: I don't see the seconder's hand up to speak to it.

[2:31:22] Voice 15: Can I, can I, my hand was up. Sorry, I'm coming in by phone because my internet's been down. It's

[2:31:29] Voice 15: Jane Wolverton.

[2:31:30] Trustee Luckham: Oh, I see. Okay, Jane. Thank you. And so there is the ability to do a digital raise

[2:31:34] Trustee Luckham: hand. And so I'm not sure at what juncture that you wanted to speak. And I just want to be fair

[2:31:41] Trustee Luckham: to everybody. And I also noticed some people are waving their hands, Trustee Thorne, you do have

[2:31:47] Trustee Luckham: the ability to raise a digital hand and it would help me to um be fair um by us doing that i know

[2:31:54] Trustee Luckham: that trustee dodds is in a vehicle and probably is not ideal for her but if it's okay with council

[2:32:00] Trustee Luckham: um uh can i go to trustee wolverton or is there anybody that objects to me to going to trustee

[2:32:07] Trustee Luckham: wolverton nobody objecting so trustee wolverton over to you and then i'm going to continue with

[2:32:12] Trustee Luckham: the digital speakers list and that begins with peterson middleton right and continues on there's

[2:32:17] Trustee Luckham: a number of you that wish to speak trust dean wolverton daliano i'm

[2:32:22] Voice 15: i'm not entirely i has

[2:32:23] Voice 15: the motion been made that's the two two yes

[2:32:26] Trustee Luckham: it has been moved and has been seconded and that is on

[2:32:30] Trustee Luckham: the screen and so yeah so you wouldn't be able to see it if you're on a phone but the motion is that

[2:32:34] Trustee Luckham: the island's trust council bylaw number 183 cited as the island's trust policy statement bylaw 2021

[2:32:40] Trustee Luckham: 21 be read a first time over to you

[2:32:44] Trustee Luckham: okay i'm

[2:32:45] Voice 15: speaking in favor of the motion um i think that

[2:32:49] Voice 15: the the draft document is it's not a perfect document as many people have said it's far from

[2:32:55] Voice 15: it but bringing it to free first reading allows for a very thoughtful and comprehensive uh scrutiny

[2:33:02] Voice 15: and there's room to amend you know to add parts to discard parts and you know in the end i suppose

[2:33:09] Voice 15: we could just start all over. But the main thing is I think we're getting it on the table.

[2:33:14] Voice 15: It hasn't been updated since 1994 in a comprehensive way, and it doesn't adequately

[2:33:21] Voice 15: reflect the climate crisis that we face, the need for reconciliation, and the shortage of

[2:33:29] Voice 15: affordable rental housing on the islands. We have so many examples of why it's important to address

[2:33:34] Voice 15: these areas now. As Trustee Rockefeller mentioned, the wildfires in Lytton and elsewhere, the

[2:33:42] Voice 15: effects of clear-cutting old-growth forests, the severe heat wave last month, the drought

[2:33:47] Voice 15: conditions on most islands. We also have the locating of children's remains at residential

[2:33:52] Voice 15: schools. We know that the Cooper Island Residential School was one of the worst in the country.

[2:33:58] Voice 15: We know that the Indigenous peoples lived in the Salish Sea for thousands of years and

[2:34:02] Voice 15: that the remains of their ancestors are all along the island's coast.

[2:34:06] Voice 15: We also know that many island residents are insecurely housed.

[2:34:10] Voice 15: Many of these people grew up on the islands.

[2:34:12] Voice 15: They are our neighbors, our volunteer fighters, our school staff,

[2:34:16] Voice 15: our food bank volunteers.

[2:34:17] Voice 15: They are here with us, and they are living in pretty dire conditions, many of them.

[2:34:25] Voice 15: Most of us were drawn to these islands or stayed here because of the natural environment.

[2:34:29] Voice 15: We want to preserve and protect this and to restore what has been degraded.

[2:34:33] Voice 15: I think that most of us would prefer not to bring an urban way of life

[2:34:36] Voice 15: to these islands, and that most of us hope that the generations to come

[2:34:40] Voice 15: will find clean air, quiet darkness, a healthy ecosystem,

[2:34:45] Voice 15: healthy diverse communities, and that we'll leave these islands

[2:34:48] Voice 15: in a state that is closer to the way that they were cared for

[2:34:51] Voice 15: for the thousands of years prior to settler contact.

[2:34:55] Voice 15: We can't continue as we have, and I think we need to come together

[2:35:02] Voice 15: to develop an effective guiding document.

[2:35:05] Voice 15: And I urge you to support first reading

[2:35:08] Voice 15: and that for all of us to get to work

[2:35:10] Voice 15: on shaping the policy statement

[2:35:11] Voice 15: that's going to guide us for the foreseeable future.

[2:35:14] Voice 15: And we all can be involved in the next steps.

[2:35:20] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Trustee Wolverton.

[2:35:22] Trustee Luckham: So on my speaker's list here,

[2:35:24] Trustee Luckham: I have Peterson, Middleton, Wright to start us off

[2:35:27] Trustee Luckham: and 13 other panelists as well.

[2:35:31] Trustee Luckham: 10 other panelists have their hands up.

[2:35:33] Trustee Luckham: So go ahead, Peterson, followed by Middleton-Wright.

[2:35:36] Trustee Luckham: Following that, yeah.

[2:35:39] Voice 26: Thank you, Chair.

[2:35:40] Voice 26: In all fairness, I had my hand up

[2:35:43] Voice 26: previous to the making of the motion

[2:35:45] Voice 26: and I do have some comments,

[2:35:46] Voice 26: but I'm content to take another place in the line

[2:35:52] Voice 26: because I actually would be technically

[2:35:55] Voice 26: I've jumped the gun there.

[2:35:56] Voice 26: So I'm gonna let the next speaker.

[2:35:58] Trustee Luckham: I see, okay.

[2:35:59] Voice 26: So then just for the record,

[2:36:01] Trustee Luckham: so you have another motion or something

[2:36:02] Trustee Luckham: that you want to advance at the end

[2:36:04] Voice 26: of this discussion

[2:36:04] Trustee Luckham: uh

[2:36:06] Voice 26: that's possible i do have some

[2:36:08] Voice 26: comments at the end of this discussion but uh since my hand was up before the motion i don't

[2:36:13] Voice 26: think it's fair for me to jump in ahead of you okay

[2:36:16] Trustee Luckham: so i'll get you to

[2:36:16] Trustee Luckham: lower your hand then

[2:36:17] Trustee Luckham: and uh go to trustee milton thank

[2:36:23] Trustee Middleton: you chair um i'm speaking against this motion i think um the

[2:36:29] Trustee Middleton: the enshrining this draft in first reading

[2:36:35] Trustee Middleton: is a lot more powerful of a statement from trust counsel

[2:36:38] Trustee Middleton: than perhaps some of the proponents of this motion

[2:36:40] Trustee Middleton: are inferring that it is.

[2:36:43] Trustee Middleton: And I think the letter writer Jane Morley

[2:36:46] Trustee Middleton: from Pender that Trustee Critchley quoted

[2:36:50] Trustee Middleton: would seem to have a little more experience

[2:36:52] Trustee Middleton: than us in terms of what first reading generally means.

[2:36:56] Trustee Middleton: And she feels that, in fact, it's a fairly bold statement of endorsement.

[2:37:00] Trustee Middleton: I don't think the document is ready for that endorsement.

[2:37:03] Trustee Middleton: The ideas of preservation of the environment, reconciliation, of course, are supported.

[2:37:09] Trustee Middleton: But if we enshrine policy in a rush to meet this emergency that's not functional, not

[2:37:17] Trustee Middleton: not effective, doesn't actually underscore action, we're just doing, we're just walking

[2:37:26] Trustee Middleton: backwards. We're not attending emergency in any way. We're actually going to be walking backwards

[2:37:31] Trustee Middleton: and making matters worse. And so I think we have to listen to the people who have written to us in

[2:37:36] Trustee Middleton: a really reasoned way. And I know that this is probably one of the only organizations that seems

[2:37:42] Trustee Middleton: to penalize people for writing to it by then referencing that we actually need the input

[2:37:47] Trustee Middleton: from real people who who've not dared write to us i mean it that's that's a crazy sentiment

[2:37:53] Trustee Middleton: and so i think we've we've had um such a strong representation to to say not pause because we

[2:38:02] Trustee Middleton: shouldn't be doing anything but pause so that what we do we get right um and i you know even

[2:38:09] Trustee Middleton: Even people speaking on behalf of this motion are acknowledging the same issue, that the actual draft policy statement needs some more work to be effective.

[2:38:19] Trustee Middleton: We can do that work without going to first reading.

[2:38:22] Trustee Middleton: And I'd like just notice, Chair, I have a motion that I believe does all of what we're asking to be done.

[2:38:28] Trustee Middleton: I won't make it now because obviously there's another motion on the floor.

[2:38:31] Trustee Middleton: But it would ask that we come up with a comprehensive consultation process.

[2:38:36] Trustee Middleton: process. We have a document for review and we don't slow down. I think actually going

[2:38:44] Trustee Middleton: in a silo of first reading would be a huge mistake. It's sending the wrong message and

[2:38:48] Trustee Middleton: it will bind us in terms of being able to adapt this document to be as good as it can

[2:38:52] Trustee Middleton: be to address the very urgent needs it needs to address. Thank you.

[2:38:57] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Trustee Milton. My next speaker is Trustee Wright, then Bishakin and Colburn.

[2:39:03] Trustee Luckham: Thank

[2:39:05] Voice 30: you. I agree with much of what Trustee Rockefeller had to say. I'm going to

[2:39:12] Voice 30: have to speak against the motion because I think there are two things that are in error here. First

[2:39:16] Voice 30: off, I don't think what we do in the next five months is going to stop wildfires in British

[2:39:22] Voice 30: Columbia or eliminate any future disasters in the near future. Secondly, I don't think we should

[2:39:32] Voice 30: equate the denial of first reading with a pause or a stop in the process. I think if we're going

[2:39:38] Voice 30: to ask for public engagement and we get public response and they say that for whatever reason

[2:39:42] Voice 30: there is some misconception about first reading in the process that we're following then I think

[2:39:48] Voice 30: we need to heed it and I think that to proceed to a first reading at this time is a little

[2:39:57] Voice 30: disingenuous to the number of people that have written in and given us their thoughts.

[2:40:01] Voice 30: And I think we should reconsider

[2:40:04] Voice 30: not giving first reading at this time.

[2:40:06] Voice 30: Thank you.

[2:40:07] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[2:40:08] Trustee Luckham: And I'll get Middleton and Wright to lower your hands

[2:40:11] Trustee Luckham: and then Shekin, Colburn, McConkie.

[2:40:14] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[2:40:15] Trustee Busheikin: I'm speaking in favor of the motion

[2:40:18] Trustee Busheikin: and I particularly appreciated the comment

[2:40:23] Trustee Busheikin: that now is not the time to pause,

[2:40:25] Trustee Busheikin: but rather to find strategies for going forward.

[2:40:28] Trustee Busheikin: I think giving first reading sends a strong message

[2:40:31] Trustee Busheikin: that we take this seriously and that we need to keep moving.

[2:40:37] Trustee Busheikin: I think that it also triggers to people that now is the time.

[2:40:42] Trustee Busheikin: Now is the time to come forward and do public engagement.

[2:40:47] Trustee Busheikin: It's not early stages in this project, and I think that's actually,

[2:40:52] Trustee Busheikin: I love the level of engagement so far just at the very idea of first reading.

[2:40:57] Trustee Busheikin: There's nothing in first reading that binds us.

[2:41:00] Trustee Busheikin: we can amend we can decide not to give second reading uh we can delay the process or not delay

[2:41:09] Trustee Busheikin: extend the process because i want it delayed uh as much as we want after first reading and i think

[2:41:14] Trustee Busheikin: it's that is the type of engagement i want uh and i think we need from our communities and the

[2:41:22] Trustee Busheikin: communities around us that are connected to our area is this is this is this is the moment and

[2:41:29] Trustee Busheikin: And it does send a strong statement. And I think it's the correct statement. I don't think or I think that it's it would be ideal to get this wrapped up in this term. And I don't think that's merely strategic.

[2:41:46] Trustee Busheikin: I think that a four year term is long enough to do this. And last time, the policy statement review straddled an election, it didn't go forward. And I think to some degree, we're paying the price of that now, because these things should have been being reviewed regularly over the last decades.

[2:42:08] Trustee Busheikin: so yeah and there's one more thing about the petition and I have read all the correspondence

[2:42:14] Trustee Busheikin: and I haven't had a chance to read the petition in depth but I've had a look at it 700 signatures

[2:42:20] Trustee Busheikin: that's wonderful but we also had a signature just in Holland 1100 people on Denman 600 people

[2:42:28] Trustee Busheikin: signed a petition urging us to move forward with new policies to address the housing crisis

[2:42:34] Trustee Busheikin: about a year ago so there's a lot of different voices we haven't heard them all and I want to

[2:42:39] Trustee Busheikin: hear them all and I want to give first reading so that we can do that in a meaningful way

[2:42:43] Trustee Busheikin: that keeps the process moving thank you um

[2:42:48] Trustee Luckham: thank you uh trustee be shaken um just want to

[2:42:51] Trustee Luckham: acknowledge that I I do see your hand there trustee Dodds um I'm not sure when you actually

[2:42:56] Trustee Luckham: put it up I'm going to give you the benefit of a doubt I'm going to just insert you in after

[2:43:00] Trustee Luckham: to Trustee McConkie because I've already called their names. Just something for people's attention

[2:43:06] Trustee Luckham: about their cameras. Just check out what you look like because actually, Trustee Dodds,

[2:43:09] Trustee Maude: your hand is

[2:43:10] Trustee Luckham: below the signature line. So yeah, that's way better. And then Trustee Boucher, you might want

[2:43:15] Trustee Luckham: to adjust your camera also. So Trustee Colbert, McConkie, Dodds, and then Brent.

[2:43:21] Voice 35: Thank you very

[2:43:22] Voice 35: much. I want to express my gratitude to Trustee Rockefeller. I agree with every word you said,

[2:43:27] Voice 35: and thank you for showing the political courage and the political will um to trustee middleton

[2:43:32] Voice 35: i am so thankful i've read everything that's come in i've got a good auto reply but i you know

[2:43:39] Voice 35: this is this is a difficult job to respond to everybody and i'm thankful that and we're all

[2:43:44] Voice 35: learning together what i hear is a desire for deeper engagement that's what i believe first

[2:43:49] Voice 35: reading brings and um uh i'm voting in favor of this motion inciting the comments made in the

[2:43:57] Voice 35: interest of time by trustee rockefeller um

[2:44:02] Trustee Luckham: thank you trustee colbert trustee mcconkey here look

[2:44:06] Trustee McConchie: at my i think you may have misspoke when you stated um that there was there was only a couple

[2:44:11] Trustee McConchie: of vote uh notes in the sick the 700 person's signature i mean like 700 people that's a lot

[2:44:17] Trustee McConchie: lot of people there's a lot of trustees here that maybe won by a couple hundred votes right i mean i

[2:44:22] Trustee McConchie: was acclaimed that's a there's a lot of people engaged right now what my suggestion

[2:44:27] Trustee Luckham: is i think

[2:44:29] Trustee Luckham: i didn't demean that petition at all 700 signatures is a lot of signatures i agree with you completely

[2:44:36] Trustee Luckham: great

[2:44:37] Trustee McConchie: thanks for clarifying thanks for clarifying um so okay i i'm going to speak against the motion

[2:44:43] Trustee McConchie: not against the sentiments of trustee Rockefeller's great points and it was one of your best comments

[2:44:49] Trustee McConchie: I've heard for trustee Rockefeller I appreciate what you're saying it's just about how we're

[2:44:55] Trustee McConchie: going to engage the community so if we give the perception I feel is that if we go ahead with

[2:44:59] Trustee McConchie: first reading the perception I'm getting from Islanders is that that this we're not listening

[2:45:03] Trustee McConchie: to what they're saying at all so what I'm what I would encourage us to do is now that we have

[2:45:10] Trustee McConchie: people interested, like for the first time, because they weren't, to be honest, not on this

[2:45:15] Trustee McConchie: numbers or this scale. Let's go back to the community with this draft that we have. And let's

[2:45:21] Trustee McConchie: say, hey, what do you think? So go to the farmer's market, like I do, set up some community information

[2:45:26] Trustee McConchie: meetings, engage in social media, get great ideas. Now the people are really involved. This was the

[2:45:32] Trustee McConchie: original intent of Islands 2050. Then come back in December. And let's go to first reading after

[2:45:39] Trustee McConchie: we've had a chance but it what what this requires is a bit of work you know like the work that

[2:45:43] Trustee McConchie: trustee dodds and um and uh you know trustee maude have done on main island having those outdoor

[2:45:49] Trustee McConchie: meetings you know this this takes a lot of work from the trustees so so let's get to work let's

[2:45:54] Trustee McConchie: engage with islanders let's take advantage of this time right now uh and uh i i think we'll have a

[2:46:00] Trustee McConchie: much more comprehensive and much more engaged uh document by the time we get to first reading in

[2:46:05] Trustee McConchie: December. Thanks.

[2:46:10] Trustee Luckham: Okay. Thank you very much, Ben. I'm going to, so I acknowledged Trustee Dodds here

[2:46:17] Trustee Luckham: who doesn't have computer access to us. So go ahead, Trustee Dodds. Yeah.

[2:46:23] Voice 28: And I don't have a

[2:46:24] Voice 28: hand on my screen. It always vanishes. I'm not, of course, in favor of giving first reading right

[2:46:30] Voice 28: now. As a matter of fact, I still don't even have all the information about the policy statement.

[2:46:36] Voice 28: It came out as a draft. I've had no consultation with myself personally. I'm not comfortable. I had a community meeting with 80 people. But as I said, I'm not on that committee. I haven't been heavily involved. The draft is the first I've seen of it. I haven't had a chance to sit down with anyone to actually go through it.

[2:46:53] Voice 28: I also do not believe we need to be rushing this through.

[2:46:56] Voice 28: This document could well sit for the next 25 years.

[2:46:59] Voice 28: Definitely do not believe this document hinders in any way someone from providing in their OCP affordable housing options, all of the things that we're working on, even on reconciliation, working with First Nations.

[2:47:10] Voice 28: There is nothing in my OCP that says I cannot do that today.

[2:47:15] Voice 28: day. I think in terms of public perception, by rushing this to first reading, you then are

[2:47:21] Voice 28: denigrating the people who are concerned. Whether the concerns are valid or not, our job, our number

[2:47:27] Voice 28: one job as trustees is consultation, consultation, consultation. We cannot singly stop climate

[2:47:33] Voice 28: change. That's the other issue. And we need to be sure our constituents are on side with us,

[2:47:38] Voice 28: because most of what we do is education, education. People living here, if they feel

[2:47:44] Voice 28: threatened by what the trust is doing will either denigrate the environment that they're living in

[2:47:49] Voice 28: or they'll leave the island. I don't get the idea that somehow we're out there to create a whole lot

[2:47:55] Voice 28: of housing. I think that we have lots of options within what we currently have now and we can

[2:48:01] Voice 28: improve on that the new policy statement but not if we keep not allow our communities to be part

[2:48:06] Voice 28: of that process and to feel that they're part of that process. So rushing right now to first reading

[2:48:11] Voice 28: The other issue I have is assuming that this wouldn't continue on into the next trust council.

[2:48:17] Voice 28: I've been around for a few councils. It's an insult to me as a trustee and it's an insult to

[2:48:22] Voice 28: our future Islands Trust Council to come. There's a lot of work to be done.

[2:48:32] Trustee Luckham: I think we lost your

[2:48:34] Trustee Luckham: connection there Trustee Dodds. Is she offline? I think so. Okay well I'll just acknowledge and

[2:48:44] Trustee Luckham: and thank trustee Dodds for her remarks.

[2:48:46] Trustee Luckham: And I'm going to go to trustee Brent.

[2:48:51] Trustee Luckham: And then Cameron Thorne,

[2:48:54] Trustee Luckham: do you not, are you on a phone

[2:48:55] Trustee Luckham: or you don't have a computer access?

[2:48:57] Trustee Luckham: Cause I think I saw your hand up physically.

[2:49:00] Voice 7: I have no, I'm on the computer chair Luck.

[2:49:03] Voice 7: Am I just, for whatever reason, just like Councillor,

[2:49:06] Voice 7: the last Councillor, my digital hand has disappeared.

[2:49:10] Trustee Luckham: I see, okay.

[2:49:10] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so I'll slot you in here then after Trustee Brent.

[2:49:18] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Brent, over to you.

[2:49:20] Trustee Luckham: And Trustee Colburn, is your hand still residually up?

[2:49:23] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Brent, over to you.

[2:49:25] Voice 3: Okay, so I'm not going to, really what Trustee Dodd said is my point.

[2:49:31] Voice 3: I think by bringing this to first reading right now, we disrespect so many, so many of the constituents

[2:49:38] Voice 3: who have spoken out and asked for us to defer for proper consultation.

[2:49:44] Voice 3: And I'll reiterate what Trustee Dodd said.

[2:49:48] Voice 3: There is nothing, nothing whatsoever that stops us from involving ourselves in reconciliation

[2:49:54] Voice 3: and getting involved in affordable housing, both personally and as a trustee,

[2:50:00] Voice 3: and doing what we need to do for climate change.

[2:50:02] Voice 3: to suggest that it's dependent upon passing this quickly

[2:50:06] Voice 3: is in my view, just it's sort of absurd.

[2:50:11] Voice 3: So I'm not going to vote in favor of this, thanks.

[2:50:15] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much, Trustee Brent.

[2:50:18] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Thorne, Patrick Stamford.

[2:50:20] Voice 7: Well, thank you, Chair.

[2:50:21] Voice 7: Well, I'll keep it short.

[2:50:23] Voice 7: I agree with Trustee McConkie and Trustee Brent.

[2:50:29] Voice 7: I think we've got to take the long view on this thing.

[2:50:31] Voice 7: I mean, I understand the urgency of climate change, fully understand it, understand the

[2:50:37] Voice 7: importance of reconciliation with First Nations, but we got to lose, we got to keep our eye on

[2:50:43] Voice 7: the ball here. If we put our head down and forge ahead against what I think has been a tidal wave

[2:50:49] Voice 7: of concern by our residents and say, we're going to First Reading regardless, it's going to be an

[2:50:54] Voice 7: uphill battle to try and get community buy-in as we move through the various stages of by-law

[2:51:00] Voice 7: adoption i think in the in the end we could probably find that we could get to a final

[2:51:06] Voice 7: version of a trust policy statement with in a quicker fashion with less friction if we take

[2:51:13] Voice 7: the time now to to meaningfully engage through through not not not going to first reading but

[2:51:20] Voice 7: instead of putting this out here as a discussion paper uh where we signal to people that no we

[2:51:25] Voice 7: we haven't, you know, we haven't more or less gelled the content of this thing. And it's not

[2:51:31] Voice 7: just a matter of dotting the I's and crossing the T's, but in fact, we want meaningful engagement.

[2:51:35] Voice 7: We're going to have a, again, I think a far smoother, more receptive and more productive

[2:51:41] Voice 7: method of a pathway to getting to a final adoption. Thank you.

[2:51:46] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Trustee Thorne. Trustee Patrick Stanford-Allen.

[2:51:53] Trustee Patrick: Hello. I can't support giving first reading. I would support delaying until December for a number of reasons. One, the power outage last night. I chair three of the four islands that lost power last night, and I know many of those people wanted to be able to speak to us and address us and feel quite unheard that we even carried on the meeting without hearing from them.

[2:52:19] Trustee Patrick: so including Pat Carney who was left with her hand up at the end of the meeting not able to

[2:52:24] Trustee Patrick: address us so I think out of respect alone delaying is is important I also want to make

[2:52:32] Trustee Patrick: amendments to this and I can't give it first reading because there's a number of amendments

[2:52:36] Trustee Patrick: that I wish to make to the document before you know even it's received today and on Salt Spring

[2:52:46] Trustee Patrick: spring here we're we're not pausing action um you know we're busy working away on a number of

[2:52:51] Trustee Patrick: key local projects that address many of the issues and um um and i want to talk about you know the

[2:52:59] Trustee Patrick: next stages of the engagement and where we're going to go so um i again i can't uh can't give

[2:53:05] Trustee Patrick: it frustrating today um

[2:53:10] Trustee Luckham: thank you uh trustee patrick um trustee stanford alan longerice

[2:53:16] Trustee Luckham: all

[2:53:18] Trustee Stamford: right thank you chair um i i just have to say i'm really glad this motion is on the table i think

[2:53:24] Trustee Stamford: it's cleaner that we we look at it right off the bat and then move forward potentially in other

[2:53:30] Trustee Stamford: directions later um the round table this morning was hugely eye-opening that was the most um um

[2:53:39] Trustee Stamford: informative um discussion and information that i've had about the subject to date so i thank

[2:53:46] Trustee Stamford: thank everybody for their respect and their thoughtful conversation that really helped me

[2:53:51] Trustee Stamford: understand the different perspectives around the island. I would be more comfortable voting

[2:53:57] Trustee Stamford: against this motion if I had a clear sense about what it would mean to go forward as a discussion

[2:54:05] Trustee Stamford: paper I just have no confidence that I can move that as as a form of engagement in my community

[2:54:16] Trustee Stamford: I just don't know what that implies whereas I do know what first reading implies and my

[2:54:21] Trustee Stamford: understanding is it's trust of or it's proof of concept it's not that we agree with everything

[2:54:28] Trustee Stamford: in it it's just we're moving forward and that that we quote unquote i hate to use the word pause

[2:54:35] Trustee Stamford: i don't want to pause i want a full engagement the reason i'm so concerned about this is there

[2:54:42] Trustee Stamford: are real real real world consequences um the gambler island uh in particular we have been

[2:54:50] Trustee Stamford: trying to forward an official community plan amendments for eight years and it hasn't happened

[2:54:57] Trustee Stamford: I am dealing with some fairly important and very critical forestry issues on my island that are impacted by things that are happening now.

[2:55:09] Trustee Stamford: So if I don't have an OCP that I can speak to, I can't speak clearly about Whispering Creek, which is probably being logged as we speak.

[2:55:21] Trustee Stamford: That is our Fairy Creek scenario on our island.

[2:55:25] Trustee Stamford: If my OCP is out of date and is irrelevant, it is because partly it's attached to a policy statement that doesn't speak to us anymore.

[2:55:36] Trustee Stamford: These are real-world consequences for me.

[2:55:39] Trustee Stamford: I want to be able to speak as a trustee in this scenario, and right now I just don't feel like I have the right documentation behind me to fully support my community.

[2:55:50] Trustee Stamford: I really hope that we can whatever the vote turns out to be I really hope that we can come to something that's clear in terms of process, so that we can move forward faster rather than slower, not politically reasons for political reasons, but just because we are in

[2:56:09] Trustee Stamford: such a time of crisis, we need the islands trust to be clear in its statements to the community. Thank you.

[2:56:16] Voice 22: Thank you, Trustee Stamford.

[2:56:17] Trustee Morrison: Chair, would you like me to respond to the question that was there?

[2:56:20] Trustee Morrison: I have notes about the process to clarify the question that Trustee Stamford asked.

[2:56:25] Trustee Luckham: Oh, okay.

[2:56:27] Trustee Luckham: Sure, that would be terrific.

[2:56:28] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Trustee Morrison.

[2:56:30] Trustee Luckham: And then I'll go to Trustee Alan Langerhuis and Fass.

[2:56:32] Trustee Luckham: So the question, do you have an answer?

[2:56:35] Trustee Morrison: So, Trustee Stamford, as I understand it, the question you asked is really about what would it mean to have a discussion paper right now

[2:56:42] Trustee Morrison: versus having a first reading in this moment is that is that accurate

[2:56:48] Trustee Stamford: that's correct yeah okay

[2:56:49] Trustee Morrison: um so i had that very same question and so asked that in advance and so um what we would want to

[2:56:59] Trustee Morrison: do today if we were not to achieve first reading of some version that we would agree on by the end

[2:57:04] Trustee Morrison: of the day is to still come to whatever amended version we come to because there is a version

[2:57:10] Trustee Morrison: circulating in community. So we would just agree on whatever amendments we make. And that new

[2:57:16] Trustee Morrison: version would be solidified and circulated, it would be posted to the web, it would be the one

[2:57:21] Trustee Morrison: that we would ask LTCs to take forward or whatever other consultation process we decide on. And it

[2:57:27] Trustee Morrison: would be the working draft. And we would, you know, number it so that that working draft would

[2:57:32] Trustee Morrison: be the one that would start to circulate out. And how far that circulates would depend on our

[2:57:37] Trustee Morrison: decisions today as well. So we would need to get to some of those decisions. First reading itself

[2:57:44] Trustee Morrison: do a similar kind of thing. Sorry, somebody's unmuted. The first reading itself would do a

[2:57:51] Trustee Morrison: similar kind of thing, but would make it more official from the stance of the way that things

[2:57:59] Trustee Morrison: have moved historically. We still can go ahead and out to consultation in a variety of ways with

[2:58:05] Trustee Morrison: with a draft version,

[2:58:06] Trustee Morrison: whether it gets first reading or not officially.

[2:58:10] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you for that clarity.

[2:58:12] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Trustee Stamford,

[2:58:13] Trustee Luckham: for your questions and comments.

[2:58:15] Trustee Luckham: Let's go to Trustee Allen, Longer, Ison, Fast,

[2:58:19] Trustee Luckham: and go ahead.

[2:58:21] Trustee Allen: Yeah, I'm not gonna be voting in favor of this motion.

[2:58:25] Trustee Allen: You know, by saying I'm not voting in favor of the motion

[2:58:29] Trustee Allen: does not mean I'm against, you know,

[2:58:32] Trustee Allen: I don't understand the urgency of housing,

[2:58:34] Trustee Allen: housing, reconciliation, climate change.

[2:58:36] Trustee Allen: I'm watering our ornamental plants right now.

[2:58:39] Trustee Allen: It's just insane.

[2:58:42] Trustee Allen: And I also think that many, if not all,

[2:58:44] Trustee Allen: the letter writers did not feel that housing,

[2:58:50] Trustee Allen: reconciliation, climate change are not important.

[2:58:53] Trustee Allen: It's all about the consultation process.

[2:58:57] Trustee Allen: That's what all the letter writers were writing about.

[2:58:59] Trustee Allen: And, you know, pausing is not inaction.

[2:59:03] Trustee Allen: is i will repeat what jane morley said is that is addressing why so many residents have felt

[2:59:10] Trustee Allen: unheard you know we've got to deal with that and i i think and call me naive i think we can

[2:59:15] Trustee Allen: get this done before the end of the term and um you know i'll say what trustee dogs

[2:59:23] Trustee Allen: articulated is that we can still do all these things at a local level you know we're not

[2:59:27] Trustee Allen: not saying okay forget it nothing's going to happen climate change or anything else in our

[2:59:31] Trustee Allen: local level until this policy statement gets worked on and approved so uh i'm not in favor

[2:59:38] Trustee Luckham: thank you trustee allen um trustee long rice fast johnston kale and then i have morrison

[2:59:46] Trustee Luckham: at as the last speaker um at 12 o'clock in all honesty it would be good to conclude this

[2:59:53] Trustee Luckham: discussion and come back with um something after lunch for further consideration

[3:00:00] Trustee Luckham: that I see Trustee Fenton has not put his hand up.

[3:00:02] Trustee Luckham: So if you want to speak, get your hand up now

[3:00:04] Trustee Luckham: so I can manage the speaker's list.

[3:00:07] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Langer, I was fast and Johnston are my next three.

[3:00:09] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you.

[3:00:10] Voice 13: Yeah, I'm not going to speak in favor of this motion

[3:00:13] Voice 13: for a lot of the reasons that have already been said.

[3:00:15] Voice 13: The other thing to remember is the sense of urgency.

[3:00:19] Voice 13: But the...

[3:00:26] Voice 13: You've muted yourself, Trustee Langer.

[3:00:28] Voice 13: Oh, sorry. Okay, sorry.

[3:00:30] Voice 13: Yeah, did you catch any of it?

[3:00:32] Voice 13: I'll start over.

[3:00:32] Trustee Luckham: Yeah,

[3:00:32] Voice 13: we got the beginning.

[3:00:33] Voice 13: Okay. Anyway, the sense of urgency that's being raised about if we don't pass these changes, say, in the climate change or in the housing or whatever, that it's going to be delayed.

[3:00:46] Voice 13: Well, we can right now affect these changes locally in our bylaws because the trust policy statement doesn't give us the legislative authority to do that.

[3:00:57] Voice 13: That's in the Local Government Act. And our restrictions are limited by the Local Government Act.

[3:01:02] Voice 13: This is really a nudge or a prod to us to say, this is important. You need to do this. If you're going to touch this bylaw in this way, you need to follow the rules. But if it's not there, that doesn't mean you can't change the bylaw right now.

[3:01:18] Voice 13: you can't i mean local trust committees have put in a house size limits that's already there you

[3:01:25] Voice 13: under the part 14 of local government act so it is that urgency is not that great i think for

[3:01:31] Voice 13: first nation reconciliation it is more urgency but not for a lot of the other stuff forestry

[3:01:37] Voice 13: we're constrained by our powers you know by the forestry act by the private man forest land

[3:01:43] Voice 13: it's not going to change but we can we can still act locally despite the policy and I don't see the

[3:01:50] Voice 13: executive staff if a policy comes forward on what say an institutional need they're going to say

[3:02:01] Voice 13: well no it's not in our trust policy statement so anyway that's my thanks okay thank you trustee

[3:02:08] Trustee Luckham: longer ice so trustee fast johnson kale thank

[3:02:16] Trustee Fast: you sorry i dropped my mouse um thank you chair

[3:02:19] Trustee Fast: and thanks everybody for your great comments i'm going to speak in support of the motion

[3:02:23] Trustee Fast: i think that when it comes to a planetary crisis that speed is everything what i'm hearing are

[3:02:31] Trustee Fast: people calling for pauses and delay and uh that's i hear them saying they're going to do consultation

[3:02:38] Trustee Fast: But we don't have resources for staff to support consultation through what's being called a pause.

[3:02:48] Trustee Fast: And instead, I hear trustees offering to do that on their islands through their LTCs.

[3:02:56] Trustee Fast: And I am concerned about that because I've seen some of the articles and letters that trustees have been circulating, and it does not feel impartial to me.

[3:03:12] Trustee Fast: And so I would want the professional advice and the professional collecting of the data by staff, and yet we don't have any budget for that.

[3:03:23] Trustee Fast: So I'm concerned about this pause just being a pause and for discussion to happen, but not be perhaps collected in a way that might stand scrutiny.

[3:03:38] Trustee Fast: And I'm concerned that all these reasons, these reasons that people bring to us to pause could come back again in December.

[3:03:52] Trustee Fast: I don't see that December is the end for these pausings, and I worry that it would continue with another wave. So I am another wave of letters. And so that's partly why I'm in support. I also think the same reasons that Tahira led off with, all those good reasons, we need to hold the course.

[3:04:14] Trustee Fast: This is the course we set and sure things have happened but development applications haven't

[3:04:20] Trustee Fast: paused. The world is going on. We need to move and I think I know there's citizens on Bowen who

[3:04:27] Trustee Fast: are waiting for a first reading draft to consult because that's the process that we laid out.

[3:04:34] Trustee Fast: So I don't think we're hearing all voices yet and I think we need to hold the course and I'll

[3:04:39] Trustee Fast: I'll be voting in favor.

[3:04:40] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[3:04:41] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Trustee Fass.

[3:04:42] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Johnson, Kale, Morrison, Fenton, Critchley.

[3:04:45] Trustee Luckham: And that's the end of the speakers list.

[3:04:48] Voice 4: I've been hearing people ask for a pause in first reading before first reading.

[3:04:53] Voice 4: And I believe that there's going to be a pause while we come up with a strategy for engagement

[3:04:59] Voice 4: and consultation.

[3:05:00] Voice 4: I don't think it makes a darn bit of difference whether we give it first reading or not in

[3:05:05] Voice 4: anything that happens in the next month or two, except that it's going to say, it's going to

[3:05:11] Voice 4: parliamentarily and politely disregard what we've been asked not to give it first reading.

[3:05:18] Voice 4: All the consultation can happen that we can manage to fit in and plan, and then we can

[3:05:25] Voice 4: give it first reading. I can't support first reading at this point.

[3:05:30] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Trustee Johnson.

[3:05:31] Trustee Luckham: and trustee and please fast and johnson lower your hands kale morrison fenton critchley

[3:05:38] Trustee Luckham: thank

[3:05:40] Voice 34: you chair uh i think everything frankly has probably been said i i am opposed to this motion

[3:05:47] Voice 34: i just want to pick up on something that was said in the last uh 30 45 minutes and what was said was

[3:05:55] Voice 34: Get this wrapped up in this term. May I implore people that that is something which, if you believe in perception being reality, there is unfortunately a perception here that this is being rushed and jammed so that this can be completed in this term.

[3:06:19] Voice 34: And that is of paramount importance, totally outweighing the necessary arguments and listening to people.

[3:06:28] Voice 34: So for my own community on Bowen, I ask us not to use language like have this wrapped up in this term, because if we can't wrap this up in this term, it will be wrapped up in a subsequent term.

[3:06:46] Voice 34: And being of the import that it is, we will take the necessary time and give it significant gravitas to see the matter is attended to properly, whether in this term or the next term, because rushing this will just divide communities and alienate many people from what otherwise could be an excellent process.

[3:07:11] Voice 34: So, uh, no, I am not, I'm not in favor of this and, uh, I think enough has been said.

[3:07:18] Voice 34: So thank you chair.

[3:07:19] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[3:07:20] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Kale, uh, trustee Morrison, Fenton, Critchley, and I see trustee Colburn.

[3:07:25] Trustee Luckham: You put your, um, or trustee Scott, sorry, you, uh, there's a challenge as a racist hand

[3:07:34] Trustee Luckham: as well.

[3:07:34] Trustee Luckham: Um, so trustee Morrison, over to you.

[3:07:38] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[3:07:39] Trustee Morrison: I think that we need to address the issue of first reading with the understanding that we can continue on with a lot of different consultation moves, depending on what our decisions are today.

[3:07:56] Trustee Morrison: I think we have to acknowledge that the trust has a not stellar history of listening and understanding and hearing well in community.

[3:08:07] Trustee Morrison: And that's on each and every one of us to do in our own communities.

[3:08:12] Trustee Morrison: And so I am not for first reading because I think it does cause problematic issues with community where we will no longer have real authentic feedback on the actual content and structure of the statement.

[3:08:28] Trustee Morrison: Instead, we will engage people in a way that causes inappropriate sort of focus on the process.

[3:08:35] Trustee Morrison: process and that is not what we're doing here and I am certainly unwilling to spend my time

[3:08:42] Trustee Morrison: doing that so um I encourage us to um you know change this process a little bit so I do not

[3:08:51] Trustee Morrison: support this motion the other thing I I think I have to stress here is that um I think the amount

[3:08:59] Trustee Morrison: of consultations we've done and an additional six months of consultation is appropriate for

[3:09:05] Trustee Morrison: for us to make some decisions and move forward.

[3:09:09] Trustee Morrison: And if we get to a place in December,

[3:09:11] Trustee Morrison: as many people have worried about

[3:09:13] Trustee Morrison: that we are not moving forward,

[3:09:15] Trustee Morrison: well, I will be the first one to say,

[3:09:17] Trustee Morrison: we should step up and have some spine.

[3:09:21] Trustee Morrison: So, and I have some disagreements

[3:09:23] Trustee Morrison: with many of the people voting against this motion

[3:09:26] Trustee Morrison: on some of the pieces,

[3:09:27] Trustee Morrison: but we'll get back to that on different motions.

[3:09:30] Trustee Morrison: So off we go, thank you.

[3:09:32] Trustee Luckham: okay thank you so i've got trustee fenton chrisley scott i'm going to now declare that scott is the

[3:09:39] Trustee Luckham: last speaker uh certainly uh a tendency here i'm not calling the vote but i will call the vote

[3:09:45] Trustee Luckham: after trustee scott trustee fenton chris lee scott

[3:09:49] Trustee Fenton: i'm just speaking in favor of the motion i think

[3:09:53] Trustee Fenton: i hear um trustee morrison's commitment to pushing this if we end up um with a unsuccessful attempt

[3:10:04] Trustee Fenton: i i do have concerns about this not not having the courage as a council to actually go to where

[3:10:12] Trustee Fenton: we need to go because this is not an easy journey for anybody and that um we need to be brave enough

[3:10:19] Trustee Fenton: to actually kick this off and get it happening. There's a lot of change that I think has been

[3:10:28] Trustee Fenton: expressed through the current feedback about the fact a lot of people have not looked at their

[3:10:33] Trustee Fenton: respective lives within the trust area. You know we're all waking up to what sustainability actually

[3:10:39] Trustee Fenton: means and this whole sort of regenerative lifestyle is challenging. It doesn't matter

[3:10:45] Trustee Fenton: are who we are especially we got kids and boats and cars and toys and so you know we have a lot

[3:10:51] Trustee Fenton: of personal consultation to do as well as community consultation and then um so i think that we could

[3:10:59] Trustee Fenton: do that with this statement we've got a document that we can work with let's put it out there and

[3:11:05] Trustee Fenton: let's have that conversation and the key to that is that we actually engage as it's been pointed

[3:11:12] Trustee Fenton: it out in meaningful consultation between now and his final product thank you thank you

[3:11:20] Trustee Luckham: trustee fenton trustee critchley and then the last speaker will be trustee scott thank

[3:11:29] Trustee Critchley: you uh first

[3:11:30] Trustee Critchley: of all i have to take a little umbrage at the notion uh the inference perhaps that uh people

[3:11:36] Trustee Critchley: People who vote against this motion will be lacking in political courage or bravery.

[3:11:43] Trustee Critchley: I think that's completely false, and I don't accept that at all.

[3:11:46] Trustee Critchley: As to the urgency matter, three matters.

[3:11:51] Trustee Critchley: Affordable housing.

[3:11:52] Trustee Critchley: I'm not aware of any provision there in our current trust policy statement that is preventing moving forward affordable housing.

[3:12:00] Trustee Critchley: If there is such a provision, then for goodness sakes, bring it forward for amendment immediately, and we can deal with that as a one-off.

[3:12:10] Trustee Critchley: That would be a terrible situation if there is such a thing.

[3:12:16] Trustee Critchley: As to climate change, I think we flatter ourselves greatly about the powers that the Trust has in respect of climate change.

[3:12:24] Trustee Critchley: There is not a darn thing that we can do, whether we ban automobiles in the trust area, whether we ban burning fossil fuels or trees or anything else that's going to have one bit of impact on climate change.

[3:12:41] Trustee Critchley: Let's get real about that. Really. As far as reconciliation is concerned, I'm hearing from other trustees that they are getting the message from certain Indigenous people that they are not happy with the way that engagement has gone so far, and they want more.

[3:13:00] Trustee Critchley: they're not pressing for let's get it done and two other factors let's look at the way the first

[3:13:06] Trustee Critchley: nations operate they operate not with urgency they operate very deliberatively point of order

[3:13:17] Voice 35: chair point of order chair could we speak to our own issues and not make generalizations about

[3:13:22] Voice 35: there's many variety of viewpoints within first nations and i would ask the trustee to reconsider

[3:13:27] Voice 35: the comments as presented?

[3:13:29] Trustee Critchley: I will not reconsider that. That is something that has been stated by

[3:13:33] Trustee Critchley: others, and I think it's a legitimate point to make, and I object to having you interrupt me

[3:13:38] Trustee Critchley: with some point like that. This is freedom of speech, for goodness sakes. I am pointing out

[3:13:46] Trustee Critchley: that First Nations are not clamoring for us to conclude an imperfect document without adequate

[3:13:52] Trustee Critchley: consultation furthermore any pause does not preclude our ongoing efforts for reconciliation

[3:14:01] Trustee Critchley: they will continue on regardless thank you very much thank

[3:14:10] Trustee Luckham: you um trustee scott it's your turn

[3:14:16] Trustee Luckham: and trustee fenton i do believe you need to take your hand down trustee scott with the last thank

[3:14:22] Trustee Luckham: Thank

[3:14:22] Trustee Scott: you. I don't know how well I'm coming across because it's a very poor connection

[3:14:26] Trustee Scott: on Hornby right now. Perfect. Good. Okay. Thank you. So my take on listening to everybody is

[3:14:34] Trustee Scott: first reading, yes, but not first reading quite yet. I need to take the working draft that Deb

[3:14:40] Trustee Scott: Morrison, I thought very well described. I need to bring it back to Hornby. I need to take it to

[3:14:47] Trustee Scott: the hall i need to get dialogue with people and i i don't feel and the the idea of first reading

[3:14:54] Trustee Scott: to a lot of people feels like we're pushing it down a slippery slope so i think we should just

[3:14:59] Trustee Scott: back off a little bit here i need that time i think alex and i need to get into the hall now

[3:15:05] Trustee Scott: that we can do that on hormy we can take 90 people if we get 90 people be a miracle so i'm going to

[3:15:10] Trustee Scott: to be voting uh against this motion right now uh but i i think a lot of really great work's been

[3:15:17] Trustee Scott: done and i thank everybody for their input okay thank

[3:15:20] Trustee Luckham: you very much i am now going

[3:15:22] Trustee Luckham: to call the

[3:15:23] Trustee Luckham: vote and i'm just going to ask you to raise your hands and leave them raised because we're going

[3:15:28] Trustee Luckham: to do a careful tally here um all those in favor please raise your hand of the motion that's on

[3:15:36] Trustee Luckham: your screen can

[3:15:42] Trustee Morrison: you please read the motion out again chair i

[3:15:44] Trustee Luckham: can thank you uh it's moved by

[3:15:47] Trustee Luckham: trustee rockefeller and seconded by trustee fast but the island's trust council bylaw number 183

[3:15:53] Trustee Luckham: cited as the island's trust policy statement bylaw 2021 be read a first time and so i'm calling the

[3:16:02] Trustee Luckham: vote of those in favor bear with me a second and i'm going to look to staff that you've got the

[3:16:14] Trustee Luckham: the numbers here we've got these lists which don't work well six in favor say again okay i have six

[3:16:22] Trustee Luckham: in favor that i can say

[3:16:24] Trustee Maude: okay very good i

[3:16:24] Trustee Luckham: think that's correct so please

[3:16:26] Trustee Luckham: six in favor so please

[3:16:29] Trustee Luckham: lower your hand it was a question there i

[3:16:32] Trustee Morrison: just want to ensure that we're asking for votes for

[3:16:34] Trustee Morrison: those on the phone as they go through thank

[3:16:36] Trustee Luckham: you very much those on the phone i see trustee

[3:16:38] Trustee Luckham: WOLVERTON IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED. TRUSTEE THORNE IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED.

[3:16:54] Trustee Luckham: OR IN FAVOR, I GUESS. I'M NOT SEEING AN

[3:16:56] Trustee Luckham: ACKNOWLEDGMENT THERE. AND THEN THE OTHER PERSON ON THE

[3:16:59] Trustee Luckham: PHONE WOULD BE TRUSTEE DODDS.

[3:17:02] Voice 7: CHAIR, I DIDN'T RAISE MY

[3:17:03] Voice 7: HAND.

[3:17:04] Trustee Luckham: I UNDERSTAND THAT.

[3:17:05] Trustee Luckham: I SAW THAT. THANK YOU.

[3:17:07] Trustee Luckham: YOU'RE NOT IN FAVOR.

[3:17:08] Trustee Luckham: um not in favor okay so see

[3:17:16] Trustee Fast: trustee stamford oh okay never mind

[3:17:19] Trustee Luckham: okay so then that's uh six

[3:17:23] Trustee Luckham: we're in favor and so now please if you're opposed raise your hand

[3:17:29] Voice 28: trustee dodds only

[3:17:32] Voice 28: has audio and i'm opposed thank

[3:17:34] Trustee Luckham: you trustee dodds

[3:17:35] Voice 28: yeah i've lost my screen

[3:17:39] Trustee Luckham: yeah um and trustee thorn is opposed and wolverton i think you're on a phone

[3:17:50] Trustee Luckham: but i don't see you presently wolverton i see you there now are you in favor or opposed

[3:17:57] Trustee Luckham: or sorry are you opposed chair

[3:18:02] Trustee Rogers: she spoke in favor okay

[3:18:05] Trustee Luckham: thank you um how are we doing over there it

[3:18:11] Trustee Luckham: It looks like 15 opposed.

[3:18:13] Trustee Luckham: Yes.

[3:18:14] Trustee Luckham: So actually 16 because I too am voting against the motion.

[3:18:20] Trustee Luckham: So that's 16 opposed.

[3:18:21] Trustee Luckham: So that motion fails.

[3:18:24] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, council.

[3:18:25] Trustee Luckham: I think this was a very worthwhile discussion.

[3:18:27] Trustee Luckham: I want to thank trustee Rockefeller

[3:18:28] Trustee Luckham: and trustee Fass for advancing it.

[3:18:30] Trustee Luckham: It was a

[3:18:30] Trustee Luckham: very worthwhile discussion.

[3:18:33] Trustee Luckham: Let's go for our lunch break here.

[3:18:36] Trustee Luckham: I'd like to do a half an hour rather than cut it too short

[3:18:40] Trustee Luckham: because I want to give you the chance to reflect on what we've heard and I would certainly I look

[3:18:44] Trustee Luckham: forward to some additional motions when we return from the break so let's return at 12 49

[3:18:55] Trustee Luckham: yeah 12 49 we'll return and continue this discussion thank you trustees

[3:19:01] Trustee Luckham: thank you for the really thoughtful respectful conversation thank you

[3:50:16] Voice 22: okay council welcome back

[3:50:19] Trustee Luckham: um while we're returning as

[3:50:26] Voice 11: we're

[3:50:27] Trustee Luckham: returning from our lunch break just um

[3:50:31] Trustee Luckham: uh when we acknowledge um this is our trust council meeting a special meeting to discuss

[3:50:37] Trustee Luckham: the trust policy statement um we've had a great conversation this morning

[3:50:46] Trustee Luckham: and I want to acknowledge that we're meeting on Coast Salish Territory here in Lugankwin

[3:50:51] Trustee Luckham: Territory in Victoria.

[3:50:52] Trustee Luckham: Myself and the staff are here and the rest of us meeting widely across the Islands Trust

[3:50:57] Trustee Luckham: area in Coast Salish Territory.

[3:50:59] Trustee Luckham: I'm grateful for that.

[3:51:00] Trustee Luckham: So let us continue on.

[3:51:02] Trustee Luckham: Thank you for the discussion this morning.

[3:51:04] Trustee Luckham: I want to turn the floor back to Trustee Morrison at this juncture, who had the floor

[3:51:13] Trustee Luckham: prior to the motion from Trustee Rockefeller.

[3:51:16] Trustee Luckham: And so I see Trustee Christy Scott has also had hands up.

[3:51:22] Trustee Luckham: And I want to recognize that Tim Peterson also had his hand up earlier.

[3:51:26] Trustee Luckham: But at this moment in time, Trustee Morrison, I think you have some motions that you would like to advance.

[3:51:33] Trustee Morrison: Yes, I'd like to move that the Islands Trust Council postpone consideration of first reading of bylaw number 183 cited as Islands Trust Policy Statement Bylaw 2021 to December 2021.

[3:51:48] Trustee Luckham: that's moved i have a seconded by trustee peterson do you wish to speak to your motion

[3:51:52] Trustee Luckham: yes

[3:51:53] Trustee Morrison: just briefly and i would ask that all trustees just to ensure that we have time for other kinds

[3:51:58] Trustee Morrison: of conversations around amendments um not repeat anything we've said in the earlier conversation

[3:52:02] Trustee Morrison: but just anything new um i do want to reiterate something um and i can't remember who said it

[3:52:08] Trustee Morrison: uh just about the idea that um voting for this motion is not about a lack of courage or will

[3:52:16] Trustee Morrison: um it's about sitting and adjusting to what we are hearing in comment understanding the process

[3:52:24] Trustee Morrison: that we can adjust and think about how consultation stills moves forward across the next six months

[3:52:31] Trustee Morrison: with agencies with first nations with um community and but that it it provides us an opportunity to

[3:52:39] Trustee Morrison: to concretely hear the debate on the content

[3:52:43] Trustee Morrison: and the structure of the trust policy statement.

[3:52:46] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[3:52:49] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so we have a motion.

[3:52:51] Trustee Luckham: Can I get it up on the screen for sure?

[3:52:54] Voice 8: And

[3:52:55] Trustee Luckham: I would like to read it so we have clarity.

[3:53:01] Trustee Luckham: So moved by Trustee Morrison,

[3:53:03] Trustee Luckham: seconded by Trustee Peterson,

[3:53:04] Trustee Luckham: that the Islands Trust Council postpone consideration

[3:53:07] Trustee Luckham: of first reading of the bylaw number 183,

[3:53:10] Trustee Luckham: cited as the island's trust policy statement bylaw 2021 to december 2021 and i'm presuming

[3:53:18] Trustee Luckham: that that would be the december council meeting in 2021 um is that correct trustee morrison

[3:53:24] Trustee Luckham: yeah okay thank you so i'm going to open the floor to discussion um and i'm going to recognize uh

[3:53:31] Trustee Luckham: scott peterson allen trustee

[3:53:40] Voice 11: scott perhaps

[3:53:47] Trustee Luckham: some connectivity issue there i'll come back

[3:53:50] Trustee Allen: trustee scott's hand was up throughout the entire break so he may not be back yet

[3:53:53] Trustee Allen: okay

[3:53:54] Trustee Luckham: and then i will come back to trustee scott so trustee peterson allen middleton uh thank you

[3:54:03] Voice 26: chair and uh yeah i'm supporting this motion because i think it um addresses concerns uh of

[3:54:11] Voice 26: the public uh uh about the the timeline and and i i think this uh in concert with the other two

[3:54:19] Voice 26: two motions that are probably going to be forthcoming

[3:54:23] Voice 26: from Chair Morrison will set the stage

[3:54:27] Voice 26: for a better process overall.

[3:54:30] Voice 26: I just want to make a quick comment

[3:54:34] Voice 26: in terms of reconciliation.

[3:54:41] Voice 26: And this is from Honorable Murray St. Clair,

[3:54:44] Voice 26: the former Senator and Chair of the Truth

[3:54:46] Voice 26: and Reconciliation Commission of Canada.

[3:54:47] Voice 26: and he says all governments should analyze their laws and bring them into line with UNDRIP and

[3:54:54] Voice 26: they should do it as quickly as possible and I just want to reiterate how important I think that

[3:55:02] Voice 26: this portion of the policy statement review is and I'm hoping that we can have substantive

[3:55:11] Voice 26: and substantive discussion on amendments

[3:55:14] Voice 26: to improve the policy statement today and going forward

[3:55:19] Voice 26: and we can have a robust community engagement.

[3:55:23] Voice 26: And I want to thank everybody for all of their work

[3:55:28] Voice 26: up to this point.

[3:55:30] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you, Trustee Peterson.

[3:55:34] Trustee Luckham: I'm now going to go to trustees.

[3:55:40] Trustee Luckham: I want to get Trustee Scott's hand cleared there

[3:55:42] Trustee Luckham: because he had his hand up before we went to thing trustee Scott are you there no so then I'm

[3:55:51] Trustee Luckham: going to go to trustee Allen and maybe we can proactively clear trustee Scott's hand if he's

[3:55:56] Trustee Luckham: not there trustee Allen then Middleton Critchley and Rogers yeah

[3:56:01] Trustee Allen: my my question is just regarding

[3:56:02] Trustee Allen: the process regarding the um motion we got in the emails from trustee Middleton like in terms of

[3:56:09] Trustee Allen: voting yay or nay on this one how's that going to affect the other motion I'm just I'm just confused

[3:56:15] Trustee Allen: I'm

[3:56:15] Trustee Luckham: not aware of a motion from Trustee Middleton, it's certainly not on the agenda and I'm afraid

[3:56:21] Trustee Luckham: that an email to trustees doesn't meet our public meeting participation notification

[3:56:27] Trustee Luckham: requirements.

[3:56:28] Trustee Luckham: So if Trustee Middleton has a motion, we can come to that, but at the moment we have a

[3:56:33] Trustee Luckham: motion on the floor.

[3:56:34] Voice 22: Okay.

[3:56:34] Voice 22: Thank you.

[3:56:36] Trustee Luckham: And lo and behold, Trustee Middleton on the motion.

[3:56:41] Trustee Middleton: Thank you.

[3:56:41] Trustee Middleton: what exquisite timing i possess once again um yes the um the reference to that motion of course it's

[3:56:50] Trustee Middleton: not tabled i had no intention of assuming it would be tabled by simply sending an email out but the

[3:56:55] Trustee Middleton: the point being is that um consultation needs to come first after this um uh very very strong

[3:57:03] Trustee Middleton: public um uh statement that we've received and i think setting well i appreciate the sentiment of

[3:57:09] Trustee Middleton: chair Morrison's motion I think the setting any timeframe around the policy

[3:57:16] Trustee Middleton: statement now is premature before we understand what exactly the plan for

[3:57:21] Trustee Middleton: robust engagement to Islanders in person across all islands will be over the next

[3:57:28] Trustee Middleton: few months and that that's that so in essence summarizing the moment which

[3:57:31] Trustee Middleton: obviously I'm not making right now because there's one on the table but

[3:57:34] Trustee Middleton: that's the purpose of my motion is to that I would like to have seconded

[3:57:38] Trustee Middleton: shortly is to actually put the creation of a robust engagement strategy first have council

[3:57:47] Trustee Middleton: endorse it so we don't we're all completely working in the same direction then and then get

[3:57:53] Trustee Middleton: the work of engagement done and when that works complete however long it takes we then bring

[3:57:59] Trustee Middleton: obviously the policy statement back to take first reading so while i appreciate the sentiment of

[3:58:05] Trustee Middleton: chair morrison's motion i i think i'll be voting against it because i do think we need to put the

[3:58:10] Trustee Middleton: primacy of engagement first and not set another deadline for when first release should happen

[3:58:15] Trustee Middleton: um artificially right thank you thank

[3:58:19] Trustee Luckham: you trustee middleton i believe the mover's intent is to

[3:58:21] Trustee Luckham: facilitate that consultation before december so thank you and i understand your question

[3:58:28] Trustee Luckham: there trustee critchley rogers and scott thank

[3:58:33] Trustee Critchley: you chair um my question to chair morrison and

[3:58:36] Trustee Critchley: and perhaps for others to consider as well,

[3:58:39] Trustee Critchley: is there contemplated a continuing role

[3:58:45] Trustee Critchley: for Trust Programs Committee

[3:58:49] Trustee Critchley: in the evolution of this document?

[3:58:51] Trustee Critchley: If we are contemplating bringing this back

[3:58:54] Trustee Critchley: in December of 2021,

[3:58:57] Trustee Critchley: are we going to be running sort of ad hoc

[3:59:02] Trustee Critchley: amendment motions on the fly a process which I shudder to contemplate I would

[3:59:11] Trustee Critchley: like to see proposed amendments put forward for for deliberation well in

[3:59:19] Trustee Critchley: advance of meetings and I think there needs to be a forum for that to happen

[3:59:26] Trustee Critchley: The Trust Programs Committee has had somewhat conduct or perhaps it's co-conduct with the Executive Committee over this project to this point.

[3:59:39] Trustee Critchley: And my question is really whether that should continue and in what form.

[3:59:45] Trustee Critchley: My preference would be that people having proposals for amendments today would best be to have those referred to the Trust Programs Committee for some deliberative thought about it.

[4:00:00] Trustee Critchley: that's my view so i'd be interested in what others think on that topic

[4:00:03] Trustee Luckham: trustee morrison you want to

[4:00:05] Trustee Luckham: answer that question yeah

[4:00:09] Trustee Morrison: i am um i think i am both unwilling and willing um trustee critchley

[4:00:15] Trustee Morrison: to take that on in trust programs committee as i've named over the last two years of this work

[4:00:20] Trustee Morrison: this is owned by council and while council hasn't always wanted to take the time to be able to go

[4:00:28] Trustee Morrison: through it because it is a lengthy process to consider the different amendments and think about

[4:00:32] Trustee Morrison: how it all fits together. There are political decisions that we need decisions on as a whole

[4:00:38] Trustee Morrison: council and so I would encourage time today for folks to make amendments that they think important

[4:00:44] Trustee Morrison: in what becomes the next draft and I would push back against a discussion paper for community

[4:00:53] Trustee Morrison: and actually have it as an official draft that we provide feedback on because then it is something

[4:00:59] Trustee Morrison: that while it may not be perfect it's something we all understand that we're giving feedback that's

[4:01:05] Trustee Morrison: clear and we're giving feedback in a set process as has been arranged through the the feedback

[4:01:10] Trustee Morrison: portal um so i think there there can be a timeline um adjusted for that type of feedback and it needs

[4:01:17] Trustee Morrison: to be appropriate to be able to move things forward yeah thank

[4:01:22] Trustee Luckham: you trustee marston and i'm

[4:01:23] Trustee Luckham: I'm not sure if your hand is up to speak to the motion.

[4:01:25] Trustee Luckham: You spoke to the motion.

[4:01:26] Trustee Luckham: So if you're going to lower it, that would be terrific.

[4:01:28] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[4:01:29] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Rogers, Scott, Brent on the motion.

[4:01:33] Trustee Rogers: Thank you.

[4:01:33] Trustee Rogers: I'm strongly in support of this motion.

[4:01:36] Trustee Rogers: I think it's a contrary to trustee Miller.

[4:01:39] Trustee Rogers: I think it's incredibly important to have a timeframe

[4:01:43] Trustee Rogers: and we have to remember that there is a whole bunch

[4:01:47] Trustee Rogers: of people in our community who are probably disappointed

[4:01:50] Trustee Rogers: we didn't give it first reading today.

[4:01:51] Trustee Rogers: and in fact I was I very much I voted against giving a first reading only on the on the basis

[4:01:59] Trustee Rogers: that we would continue to move this forward this was not a sort of an indefinite pause but rather

[4:02:05] Trustee Rogers: simply a different way forward which we could engage a number of people in the community

[4:02:11] Trustee Rogers: I heard last night a number of people say give us three months give us three months

[4:02:15] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, And you know, this is five months, gives us a timeframe in which to work you're going to i'm going to say when we get to the engagement portion of this.

[4:02:26] Trustee Rogers: Mayor Mrakas, That I think we need to hear from trustees what they want that engagement process to look like and that they're willing to participate in it, rather than sort of download it to tpc into the etc, this is now a political process that we need to have the trustees involved in so i'm going to be supporting this motion.

[4:02:44] Trustee Rogers: and urge everyone else to support it as well.

[4:02:50] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Trustee Rogers.

[4:02:52] Trustee Rogers: Trustee

[4:02:52] Trustee Luckham: Scott, Brent, Peterson, Rockefeller.

[4:02:57] Trustee Scott: Thank you, can you hear me all right?

[4:02:59] Trustee Scott: Thank you.

[4:03:01] Trustee Scott: I like this motion because I think it's important

[4:03:03] Trustee Scott: to keep our feet to the fire.

[4:03:05] Trustee Scott: What I would like to do is get that policy draft

[4:03:10] Trustee Scott: from the committee and it's my responsibility,

[4:03:15] Trustee Scott: I think over the next month to get my comments back to them and then I'd like to in September

[4:03:20] Trustee Scott: when I get something back with the comments from all of us in September that I will have September

[4:03:26] Trustee Scott: and October to take it to the community here then we can get those comments back and I think we

[4:03:31] Trustee Scott: could get get this thing so that we can December to do first reading I think there's time to do

[4:03:40] Trustee Scott: that and i think this gives support to the people who spoke very in strong favor to what uh uh

[4:03:47] Trustee Scott: trustee rockefeller said this morning it supports that idea that there we've got to get this done so

[4:03:53] Trustee Scott: i like it thank you okay thank you

[4:03:56] Trustee Luckham: trustee rogers scott i'll ask you to lower your hands

[4:03:58] Trustee Luckham: i'm trustee brent peterson rockefeller okay

[4:04:03] Voice 3: i'm in support of this motion i think six months is

[4:04:07] Voice 3: a respectful time. I have some of the same concerns as Trustee Middleton, but just let's say

[4:04:14] Voice 3: if things seriously went off the rails and there was an appropriate consultation, which I

[4:04:19] Voice 3: believe there will be just in terms of faith in fellow trustees and the process, it says

[4:04:29] Voice 3: postpone consideration of first reading. So this is consideration. It isn't necessarily

[4:04:35] Voice 3: first reading so if it did by any chance after six months of appropriate

[4:04:39] Voice 3: consultation go off the rails it doesn't mean it would by Fiat be given first

[4:04:45] Voice 3: reading so I think this is a very balanced motion and and I support it

[4:04:50] Voice 3: Thank

[4:04:52] Trustee Luckham: You trustee Brent trustee Peterson and trustee Rockefeller I think you must

[4:04:58] Trustee Luckham: have lowered your hands thank you trustee Peterson

[4:05:01] Voice 26: yeah thank you chair I

[4:05:04] Voice 26: I agree with Trustee Brent and I think it is important

[4:05:09] Voice 26: to at least set a goal for the next consideration of this.

[4:05:13] Voice 26: I think it should be a sufficient goal

[4:05:17] Voice 26: to engage in a lot of public consultation.

[4:05:22] Voice 26: And as Chair Morrison has said,

[4:05:27] Voice 26: one of the next things we need to consider

[4:05:30] Voice 26: is what that process is going to look like.

[4:05:33] Voice 26: and uh so yeah i'm i'm i'm in support very

[4:05:39] Trustee Luckham: much trustee peterson so i'll get you to lower your

[4:05:41] Trustee Luckham: hand along with trustee grant trustee kale yes

[4:05:44] Voice 34: could i just ask a question uh trustee morrison

[4:05:46] Voice 34: um you mentioned earlier on i think that there were three motions you wanted to put forward

[4:05:53] Voice 34: and i'm just wondering whether your thought third motion maybe if you could just vocalize it

[4:05:58] Voice 34: might provide some some some extra context to this because i i i i quite understand where you're

[4:06:06] Voice 34: going with this uh to um trustee middleton's comments i can also see the the his point of

[4:06:14] Voice 34: view as well so i wonder if i could just ask you just to to vocalize your your your next your your

[4:06:20] Voice 34: third uh motion please uh

[4:06:24] Trustee Morrison: the second and third ones and actually i think there is one more given

[4:06:28] Trustee Morrison: in the conversations today, but basically their motions to ensure that all trustees are taking

[4:06:35] Trustee Morrison: this into their community, which I think is critical that we do. And that feedback is coming

[4:06:41] Trustee Morrison: into the shared portal because we're getting a lot of feedback individually, but we need to have

[4:06:44] Trustee Morrison: feedback come into a central pool so that we can process it as part of the revisions. And then

[4:06:51] Trustee Morrison: And the other one is around revision of a project charter just on engagement writ large, like, you know, across the trust area and potentially broader.

[4:07:05] Trustee Morrison: And then the last one is to ensure that the draft that is going into community and circulating is also going out to agencies for comment and feedback and to First Nations.

[4:07:16] Trustee Morrison: because getting feedback in one place but not getting feedback in others is prioritizing

[4:07:21] Trustee Morrison: audiences one over another thank

[4:07:23] Voice 34: you and through the chair then do you also anticipate in in your

[4:07:27] Voice 34: motions any any sort of financial provision and and a plan around that being required for this

[4:07:35] Voice 34: for this degree of consultation so

[4:07:38] Trustee Morrison: at the moment i don't think that we'll we'll have to have a

[4:07:41] Trustee Morrison: a revised budgetary thing if the consultation by September is wildly different or if the in

[4:07:47] Trustee Morrison: the trust area services as they go back and look at the project charter thinks that there's enough

[4:07:51] Trustee Morrison: financial implication we already had public consultation built into the process so if

[4:07:57] Trustee Morrison: there's additional public consultation beyond the next six months that would be where we would have

[4:08:02] Trustee Morrison: to start thinking about budgetary changes most likely but I'm not I don't know that I can fully

[4:08:07] Trustee Morrison: answer that question would

[4:08:08] Voice 34: would it be fair to put a review on that for or mark airmark a review

[4:08:13] Voice 34: for just for that one specific point in september for our trustees meeting i'm

[4:08:17] Trustee Morrison: going to pause on

[4:08:18] Trustee Morrison: that and just speak to this motion right now and we'll can come back to that one when we get it on

[4:08:22] Trustee Morrison: the table thank

[4:08:23] Trustee Luckham: you thank you good call uh trustee morrison there's some detail to be discussed there

[4:08:29] Trustee Luckham: when when and if we get to that motion you know trust counsel um i'm honestly pleased to see that

[4:08:36] Trustee Luckham: there are no hands up and so if there are no hands up i'm prepared to believe that you're ready to

[4:08:40] Trustee Luckham: make a decision and so therefore i am going to call the vote on the motion that the island's

[4:08:45] Trustee Luckham: trust council postponed consideration of first reading of bylaw number 183 cited as island's

[4:08:50] Trustee Luckham: trust policy statement bylaw number 2021 to december trust council 2021 and so all those

[4:09:00] Trustee Luckham: in favor i'm looking for hands up on the screen i see trustee dodds's hand is up trustee thorne's

[4:09:15] Trustee Luckham: his hand is up those that don't have connections i think everybody else has a connection so that

[4:09:22] Trustee Luckham: gives us uh 24 uh trustees in favor including myself you concur there carmen yes okay so please

[4:09:31] Trustee Luckham: lower your hand and i'll wait for the hands to be lowered and now those opposed calling a second

[4:09:45] Trustee Luckham: in time for any opposed i see trustee colburn is are you opposed yes i'm opposed okay thank

[4:09:53] Trustee Luckham: you trustee colburn um so that carries um and i i thank you very much council for getting us

[4:10:00] Trustee Luckham: to this next step and trustee morrison i'm going to turn it back to you while you still have the

[4:10:05] Trustee Luckham: floor thank

[4:10:07] Trustee Morrison: you i'm going to move that the islands trust council ask all trustees to share the draft

[4:10:11] Trustee Morrison: trust policy statement with their local trust area constituents between now and September asking for

[4:10:17] Trustee Morrison: feedback to be provided to islands 2050 at islandtrust.bc.ca okay

[4:10:24] Trustee Luckham: so let's get that motion

[4:10:25] Trustee Luckham: up on the screen thank you and when I see it up on the screen I'll ask for a second I just want

[4:10:33] Trustee Luckham: to make sure I've not seen that motion before thank you council for your patience as we all

[4:11:01] Trustee Luckham: know this zoom technology is not what it's made out to be so there we have a motion up on this

[4:11:07] Trustee Luckham: green almost thank you laurie and the motion is that the islands trust council ask all trustees

[4:11:19] Trustee Luckham: to share the draft trust policy statement with their local trust area constituents between now

[4:11:24] Trustee Luckham: and september asking for feedback to be provided to islands 2050 at islandstrust.mc.ca all right

[4:11:33] Trustee Luckham: Right, so is there a seconder for the motion?

[4:11:36] Trustee Luckham: I see Trustee Peterson seconding the motion.

[4:11:38] Trustee Luckham: Do you wish to speak to your motion, Trustee Morrison?

[4:11:41] Trustee Morrison: Yes, and this is really just a refinement

[4:11:44] Trustee Morrison: of what I think will be a broader kind of staff

[4:11:47] Trustee Morrison: to do public consultation move,

[4:11:49] Trustee Morrison: but I feel the need given conversations this morning

[4:11:52] Trustee Morrison: and some things that I've seen

[4:11:54] Trustee Morrison: coming into public conversation

[4:11:56] Trustee Morrison: for trustees to take responsibility

[4:11:58] Trustee Morrison: for sharing in their own communities.

[4:12:00] Trustee Morrison: communities. And I feel this needs to be on the record so that if we come back in December and

[4:12:06] Trustee Morrison: people haven't shared in their community, that it's like, why didn't you do that? And the piece

[4:12:11] Trustee Morrison: about Islands 2050 at islandstrust.bc.ca, I really need community members to know clearly where they

[4:12:19] Trustee Morrison: need to send information so that we can ensure their thinking is compiled into the next versions

[4:12:25] Trustee Morrison: is going forward thank you okay

[4:12:30] Trustee Luckham: thank you trustee morrison um i've got a speaker's list on the

[4:12:35] Trustee Luckham: go here um so trustee patrick brent middleton the first three um

[4:12:43] Trustee Patrick: hi well i understand deb what what

[4:12:49] Trustee Patrick: you're asking for um this is really complex on salt spring and to me this is part of the overall

[4:12:55] Trustee Patrick: engagement plan that we need, that just soliciting feedback without it being part of an overall,

[4:13:02] Trustee Patrick: like I said, process of how we're asking for that feedback. And Salt Spring's got a population of,

[4:13:07] Trustee Patrick: you know, 12,000 people. And I'm very happy to take a strong role in being part of that

[4:13:16] Trustee Patrick: conversation. But like I said, I think it needs to have some body and framework associated with

[4:13:21] Trustee Patrick: it so that the information comes in a coherent way i'm not sure i'm voting yet thank you trustee

[4:13:32] Trustee Luckham: patrick trustee brent middleton boucher okay

[4:13:35] Voice 3: well a little bit along the same lines as as trustee

[4:13:41] Voice 3: patrick but i'm generally supportive of the notion uh what worries me is the timeline and so again

[4:13:47] Voice 3: we're setting a september timeline and we're talking about consideration uh in december so

[4:13:54] Voice 3: So I think if the friendly amendment would be preferably between now and

[4:13:59] Voice 3: preferably September,

[4:14:00] Voice 3: which doesn't shut down feedback after the fact,

[4:14:05] Voice 3: because we don't know how this consultation is going to roll out.

[4:14:08] Voice 3: And so that would be a friendly amendment request of,

[4:14:16] Voice 3: of the mover and seconder.

[4:14:19] Trustee Morrison: A clarification.

[4:14:25] Trustee Morrison: Yeah,

[4:14:26] Trustee Luckham: we do need some clarification.

[4:14:28] Trustee Luckham: go ahead trustee Morrison so

[4:14:30] Trustee Morrison: I'm asking that trustees are sharing between now and September

[4:14:33] Trustee Morrison: feedback will come in as it comes in um the time it is on trustees sharing it between now and

[4:14:39] Trustee Morrison: September okay

[4:14:46] Trustee Luckham: um hopefully that answers your question trustee Brent and I'll get both of you

[4:14:51] Trustee Luckham: to lower your hand and I'll go to trustee Middleton Beshakian-McConkie and then there's more I'm

[4:14:57] Voice 3: I'm struggling with it.

[4:14:58] Voice 3: I can be read either way.

[4:15:03] Trustee Middleton: Thank you, Chair.

[4:15:04] Trustee Luckham: So, I'm sorry, I actually lost the process

[4:15:08] Trustee Luckham: for there a second.

[4:15:09] Trustee Luckham: So you were suggesting a friendly amendment there,

[4:15:11] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Brent, do you consider an amendment

[4:15:15] Trustee Luckham: is necessary at this time

[4:15:16] Trustee Luckham: or do you now understand the intention?

[4:15:19] Trustee Luckham: Certainly it could be read in different ways.

[4:15:22] Trustee Luckham: Yeah,

[4:15:23] Voice 3: I think Trustee Morrison helped with that

[4:15:26] Voice 3: by her explanation, but I was just suggesting,

[4:15:28] Voice 3: I was asking Trustee Morrison if she would consider asking for feedback from trustees to be provided too, just so it's clear.

[4:15:39] Trustee Morrison: Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, I didn't. That to me is a slightly different intent to the motion, but I agree that trustees should provide feedback too. Hopefully you're all doing that anyway.

[4:15:50] Trustee Morrison: Anyway, so this is really, the intent of this motion

[4:15:54] Trustee Morrison: is really that trustees are taking this

[4:15:56] Trustee Morrison: into their communities and that there's a pathway

[4:15:59] Trustee Morrison: for communities to provide feedback

[4:16:01] Trustee Morrison: so that it can be compiled.

[4:16:02] Trustee Morrison: That's really the intent of this motion.

[4:16:06] Voice 3: Okay, well, I'm just going to note

[4:16:09] Voice 3: that it's a pretty tight timeline

[4:16:12] Voice 3: and as to what Trustee Patrick said,

[4:16:14] Voice 3: we don't know what other formal engagement is going to be.

[4:16:17] Voice 3: It is going to be a challenge on the larger islands,

[4:16:19] Voice 3: much easier for trustees Middleton and Brent

[4:16:22] Voice 3: with our relatively small, highly engaged Island.

[4:16:25] Voice 3: So that's just a concern on this.

[4:16:29] Voice 3: People again, will feel that, oh gee,

[4:16:30] Voice 3: if I don't make it by September,

[4:16:32] Voice 3: then I'm not going to be heard.

[4:16:36] Trustee Luckham: Okay, understood.

[4:16:37] Voice 3: I

[4:16:37] Trustee Luckham: think that as this conversation evolves here now,

[4:16:40] Trustee Luckham: there'll be more opportunity to drill into the depth of this

[4:16:44] Trustee Luckham: so that I'm not hearing a specific amendment here.

[4:16:47] Trustee Luckham: So I'm going to continue on with my speaker's list

[4:16:50] Trustee Luckham: and if I'm not mistaken, I'm at Middleton, Bushake and McConkie.

[4:16:56] Trustee Middleton: Thank you, Chair. I think while this may well be an element of robust consultation,

[4:17:03] Trustee Middleton: it is just that it is one element and I really do think we need to step back and ask for a

[4:17:09] Trustee Middleton: comprehensive plan of consultation across the islands and for all stakeholders. It will

[4:17:14] Trustee Middleton: probably need a greater budget than it's currently been assigned to do that work.

[4:17:18] Trustee Middleton: work. Feedback to the 2050 line, of course, will be a component, but I just think that

[4:17:25] Trustee Middleton: we need to put our stake in the ground to say, yeah, we heard you. We are committed

[4:17:31] Trustee Middleton: to a comprehensive consultation. We're designing it and we'll present it in September for Trust

[4:17:38] Trustee Middleton: Council's approval. Thank you.

[4:17:44] Trustee Luckham: Okay. Thank you, Trustee Middleton.

[4:17:46] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Bishaykin, McConkie-Fast.

[4:17:49] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you, and thank you Trustee Middleton

[4:17:52] Trustee Busheikin: that helped clarify my own thoughts.

[4:17:57] Trustee Busheikin: I like the intent of this,

[4:18:00] Trustee Busheikin: but I'm not ready to vote in favor of it.

[4:18:03] Trustee Busheikin: I think that if we bring a draft to constituents,

[4:18:08] Trustee Busheikin: it needs to be contextualized.

[4:18:09] Trustee Busheikin: We've heard again and again,

[4:18:12] Trustee Busheikin: people need more clarity on what is the policy statement,

[4:18:14] Trustee Busheikin: the context of the review, the history of the review so far,

[4:18:20] Trustee Busheikin: how the policy statement is used, how it isn't used,

[4:18:25] Trustee Busheikin: all of that and we need that information to be consistent

[4:18:31] Trustee Busheikin: and we need to ask to be consistent

[4:18:33] Trustee Busheikin: what we're asking from constituents

[4:18:35] Trustee Busheikin: and leaving it entirely up to individual trustees

[4:18:38] Trustee Busheikin: is not gonna have that consistency or clarity

[4:18:40] Trustee Busheikin: and leaves it really open to dismissal down the road

[4:18:43] Trustee Busheikin: because of at least perceptions that every trustee may be doing a little differently and

[4:18:49] Trustee Busheikin: putting their own little spin into it, which quite honestly, it's difficult not to even when we try.

[4:18:55] Trustee Busheikin: And I think that this needs to be part of an overall comprehensive plan is the term I just

[4:19:01] Trustee Busheikin: heard. And I would prefer to see a motion for a comprehensive plan, perhaps with language such

[4:19:08] Trustee Busheikin: such as that includes active participation by trustees.

[4:19:12] Trustee Busheikin: And another, you know, another issue is which constituents,

[4:19:15] Trustee Busheikin: because if we have thousands of constituents,

[4:19:18] Trustee Busheikin: you're not going to go door to door.

[4:19:20] Trustee Busheikin: You're going to have to prioritize and how do you do that?

[4:19:24] Trustee Busheikin: And is that fair?

[4:19:25] Trustee Busheikin: So then is that good consultation?

[4:19:27] Trustee Busheikin: You're going to, you know, you're going to pick the most active ones.

[4:19:30] Trustee Busheikin: You know, the ones you know, or, you know, I don't know how we would choose.

[4:19:34] Trustee Busheikin: And so, yeah, I think it has to be part of a bigger,

[4:19:36] Trustee Busheikin: well thought out plan that's looking at consultation best practices a clarification

[4:19:43] Trustee Luckham: yeah trustee morrison would

[4:19:44] Trustee Luckham: be great if you could clarify uh and i just want to note that

[4:19:47] Trustee Luckham: trustee middleton suggested that this was an element and so i'll just turn it to you trustee

[4:19:52] Trustee Luckham: morrison yeah

[4:19:53] Trustee Morrison: and this um i think it's really important that we don't do omnibus motions here

[4:19:57] Trustee Morrison: so um i am actually intending this to be one of a set and the next one actually would be to revise

[4:20:04] Trustee Morrison: the consultation process more broadly. So maybe I should have brought that one forward first.

[4:20:09] Trustee Morrison: But this one is intent is to make STIs themselves responsible to ensure that they are in conversation

[4:20:16] Trustee Morrison: with their communities and that they are reading and digging into the material too. It is in no

[4:20:21] Trustee Morrison: way meant to say that we aren't going to be provided with resources to do this, that we're

[4:20:25] Trustee Morrison: not going to actually have staff involved at different times as we do other consultation.

[4:20:30] Trustee Morrison: consultation it's just to make sure that trustees themselves are are responsible to have conversations

[4:20:36] Trustee Morrison: in their communities thank

[4:20:39] Trustee Luckham: you for that clarity trustee morrison and thank you trustee shaken for

[4:20:42] Trustee Luckham: the questions trustee mcconkey fast along the rights wolverton scott thanks

[4:20:48] Trustee McConchie: for the motion

[4:20:49] Trustee McConchie: uh trustee morrison i mean one question i have and then maybe a comment based on the answer to

[4:20:54] Trustee McConchie: the question is uh when can we meet again in person and get off this computer screen of people's faces

[4:21:00] Trustee McConchie: this because i'm sick of this like i don't know about how everyone else is feeling but i like

[4:21:05] Trustee McConchie: talking to people and i need to go out in and like literally see people that's that's my favorite part

[4:21:11] Trustee McConchie: of politics is going and talking and hearing their ideas so i'm not sure where like we stand with

[4:21:16] Trustee McConchie: that when can we meet again in person yeah comment based on that yeah

[4:21:22] Trustee Morrison: my understanding on the release

[4:21:23] Trustee Morrison: the relaxation of the current protocols is that we are starting to get to be able to do that

[4:21:29] Trustee Morrison: in different scales but I think and you'd have to look up the health protocols exactly for that

[4:21:35] Trustee Morrison: but and the intent here is not that you can't meet with your community after September

[4:21:39] Trustee Morrison: but that you will be able to meet at least by September to inform the September council

[4:21:44] Trustee Morrison: meeting conversations so that's the intent with the September deadline your comment then McConkie

[4:21:51] Trustee McConchie: well then my question is when can we meet in person and have a community information meeting

[4:21:57] Trustee McConchie: So what I'd do is I'd say,

[4:21:59] Trustee McConchie: hey, I want a community information meeting,

[4:22:00] Trustee McConchie: come and share your opinions.

[4:22:02] Trustee McConchie: Can I do that in August?

[4:22:07] Trustee Luckham: I'm going to turn to the CAO who has some intel

[4:22:10] Trustee Luckham: on how this reopening is unfolding.

[4:22:14] Trustee Luckham: Over to you CAO.

[4:22:15] Trustee Luckham: Thanks Mr. Chair and good

[4:22:16] Voice 21: afternoon, trust council.

[4:22:20] Voice 21: So we're in part three of BC's restart program

[4:22:24] Voice 21: and you can have up to 50 people in an indoor setting

[4:22:27] Voice 21: as it stands right now and essentially an unlimited unlimited number in an outdoor setting

[4:22:33] Voice 21: so we are right moving to towards having a public consultation and meetings um as we speak so i

[4:22:39] Voice 21: think you could uh certainly start to plan for that and that uh by august moving into september

[4:22:45] Voice 21: that uh you would have a lot of options yeah

[4:22:50] Trustee Luckham: uh itunes trustee mcconkey i'm desperate to go back

[4:22:54] Trustee Luckham: back to in-person meetings.

[4:22:56] Trustee McConchie: Okay, yeah, just one comment I'm hearing

[4:22:58] Trustee McConchie: from almost everybody is why don't I,

[4:23:00] Trustee McConchie: they love the idea of getting together

[4:23:02] Trustee McConchie: and talking in person.

[4:23:03] Trustee McConchie: And I think this is key component to that.

[4:23:06] Trustee McConchie: So I'm wondering if we need to,

[4:23:07] Trustee McConchie: well, the only question is I have to trustee Morrison is,

[4:23:09] Trustee McConchie: could we maybe amend friendly amendment

[4:23:12] Trustee McConchie: to move it to the end of October or the end of November,

[4:23:15] Trustee McConchie: or, you know, on some level,

[4:23:17] Trustee McConchie: because you put September and that's,

[4:23:20] Trustee McConchie: that's what I was just wondering.

[4:23:21] Trustee Morrison: Yeah, my concern with September really is just to have us as trustees really digging in and thinking about this.

[4:23:30] Trustee Morrison: So when we come in September to our next meeting, we can always say, you know, more feedback's needed at that point.

[4:23:36] Trustee Morrison: We need to extend out. But at least we will have some initial information from our communities because we will have taken some time to do that between now and the September meeting.

[4:23:43] Trustee Morrison: okay

[4:23:45] Trustee Luckham: thank you uh so i'll move on to trustee fast if you're trusting mcconkie you've had

[4:23:52] Trustee Luckham: your questions answered yeah trustee fast long rice wolverton scott critchley thank

[4:23:59] Trustee Fast: you um i have

[4:24:01] Trustee Fast: uh i i i have a couple of problems with this partly because i think any consultation needs

[4:24:07] Trustee Fast: contextualization as i mentioned in the previous set i think we need staff there this seems to

[4:24:13] Trustee Fast: to leave it to trustees or potentially leave it to trustees.

[4:24:20] Trustee Fast: And well, I won't speak more about that.

[4:24:22] Trustee Fast: On Bowen Island, we will also have

[4:24:24] Trustee Fast: the municipality responding.

[4:24:26] Trustee Fast: So that probably be municipal staff and council,

[4:24:31] Trustee Fast: the other elected counselors.

[4:24:33] Trustee Fast: And so I'm not sure exactly how it would play out on Bowen.

[4:24:36] Trustee Fast: That's not a problem with this one.

[4:24:38] Trustee Fast: What I do have a problem with is this idea

[4:24:40] Trustee Fast: of trying to hold trustees to account

[4:24:42] Trustee Fast: or tell them how they should do their trustee work.

[4:24:48] Trustee Fast: But also my biggest problem is if this motion fails

[4:24:52] Trustee Fast: or if this motion passes and the next one fails,

[4:24:56] Trustee Fast: this is all that will be there.

[4:24:58] Trustee Fast: And I'm wondering if we could talk about

[4:25:00] Trustee Fast: your next motion first,

[4:25:02] Trustee Fast: about the whole process that this is one element in.

[4:25:06] Trustee Fast: Would you be prepared to table this motion?

[4:25:09] Trustee Fast: Or I think that's a question for trust counsel

[4:25:11] Trustee Fast: because the motion is moved and seconded I would like to move that this motion be

[4:25:20] Trustee Fast: tabled until a motion about the overall consultation is addressed is is voted on

[4:25:34] Trustee Fast: okay

[4:25:37] Trustee Luckham: thank you trustee fast I'm just waiting for that to end up on the screen

[4:25:48] Trustee Fast: I'm sorry,

[4:25:48] Trustee Fast: I'm putting this on a bit of a fly as I'm thinking here, and I'm, I don't

[4:25:54] Trustee Fast: know how to table a motion, but I think I would like to move that, yeah, that this,

[4:25:58] Trustee Fast: that this motion be tabled until a motion about.

[4:26:07] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[4:26:13] Trustee Luckham: You're satisfied with that wording?

[4:26:16] Voice 10: Yeah.

[4:26:16] Trustee Luckham: So then I'm going to look then for a seconder for that motion, and that's Trustee

[4:26:21] Trustee Luckham: St. Patrick has seconded that motion.

[4:26:24] Trustee Luckham: And so I'm just going to call the vote on this.

[4:26:28] Trustee Luckham: And so I apologize for the hands up.

[4:26:32] Trustee Luckham: We're going to get lost.

[4:26:33] Voice 4: Point of order, Mr. Chair.

[4:26:35] Voice 4: Yeah.

[4:26:35] Voice 4: Is this not contrary to the motion?

[4:26:40] Voice 4: The motion itself is asking for feedback from individuals by September.

[4:26:46] Voice 4: And this is saying, no, that can't happen if it's tabled.

[4:26:52] Trustee Luckham: no this motion is simply to table this until we've had a discussion coming which i'm presuming

[4:26:58] Trustee Luckham: is coming next here um about the overall consultation process i think that's the intent

[4:27:04] Trustee Luckham: of the mover of the requested table emotion and you know a tabled motion um if i remember the

[4:27:12] Trustee Luckham: rules is not a debatable we just go to the question that is correct yeah yeah i wasn't

[4:27:17] Voice 4: wanted to debate it but this this calls for a consultation be voted on so there be a plan that

[4:27:24] Voice 4: we accept that's not likely to happen today

[4:27:27] Voice 21: and you

[4:27:28] Trustee Luckham: know i think this is just about uh waiting

[4:27:31] Trustee Luckham: for the next motion that trustee morrison indicated that perhaps she should have made first

[4:27:36] Trustee Luckham: earlier um be uh moved and then we'll come back to this one and that's the intent is that correct

[4:27:45] Trustee Luckham: trustee fast yes so therefore i'm going to call the vote on the motion to table the previous motion

[4:27:53] Trustee Luckham: um and and await a further motion before we move on so all those in favor please raise your hands

[4:28:03] Voice 28: in favor i've lost my hand in my video

[4:28:08] Voice 28: hang

[4:28:08] Trustee Luckham: on to the steering wheel um okay i'm seeing uh 17 including uh dodds is cameron thorn there

[4:28:18] Trustee Luckham: somewhere wave i can't see you okay um and then myself i'm in favor and so that makes us 21 in

[4:28:29] Trustee Luckham: favor those opposed please raise your hand or carries those opposed are rogers is your hand

[4:28:43] Trustee Luckham: up opposed yes okay thank you so that's one opposed that i can see and so therefore that

[4:28:51] Trustee Luckham: carries so that motion is now tabled so uh this now um the way we have this presently

[4:28:57] Trustee Luckham: is going to return to trustee morrison that has another motion all

[4:29:03] Trustee Morrison: right so

[4:29:07] Trustee Morrison: So I know these are a complex set of things,

[4:29:10] Trustee Morrison: but unfortunately we can't put consultation like this

[4:29:14] Trustee Morrison: all in a single motion.

[4:29:15] Trustee Morrison: It just doesn't work that way.

[4:29:16] Trustee Morrison: It is complicated.

[4:29:17] Trustee Morrison: So I'm going to go ahead and move

[4:29:19] Trustee Morrison: that the Islands Trust Council request staff

[4:29:22] Trustee Morrison: to develop a project charter for public engagement

[4:29:24] Trustee Morrison: on the draft new policy statement

[4:29:27] Trustee Morrison: for approval and implementation

[4:29:28] Trustee Morrison: by Islands Trust Executive Committee.

[4:29:32] Trustee Luckham: Okay, that's moved by Trustee Morrison.

[4:29:35] Trustee Luckham: Is there a seconder?

[4:29:38] Trustee Luckham: seconded by trustee long arise thank you um trustee morrison do you wish to speak to your motion

[4:29:45] Trustee Morrison: yeah i think really here the challenge is that we have a public consultation process

[4:29:54] Trustee Morrison: that has been designed um and thought about that involves a lot of different public

[4:30:00] Trustee Morrison: meetings and is that it's already sort of worked out and talked about the challenges that we want

[4:30:08] Trustee Morrison: to add to that and deepen it. We can decide to do that and wait three months or two months to vote

[4:30:16] Trustee Morrison: on it in September, or we can trust that the executive has heard loudly and clearly that

[4:30:23] Trustee Morrison: there's a need for public consultation and that all of us can forward ideas to them about what

[4:30:28] Trustee Morrison: what we might think that might be in our community.

[4:30:30] Trustee Morrison: And that will allow us to engage now

[4:30:32] Trustee Morrison: while people are engaged and are thinking about this

[4:30:36] Trustee Morrison: and not setting it aside for a couple months.

[4:30:38] Trustee Morrison: So I would ask,

[4:30:40] Trustee Morrison: because I think the contentious part of this motion

[4:30:42] Trustee Morrison: is going to be that the executive committee approves this

[4:30:44] Trustee Morrison: instead of council as a whole.

[4:30:45] Trustee Morrison: So I would like us to be able to authorize

[4:30:48] Trustee Morrison: executive committee to do this.

[4:30:49] Trustee Morrison: And then we can always come back in September and say,

[4:30:52] Trustee Morrison: you know what, we need more consultation

[4:30:53] Trustee Morrison: or we need other things,

[4:30:54] Trustee Morrison: but at least we're not missing this window

[4:30:56] Trustee Morrison: of activated engagement is going on right now thank you thank

[4:31:01] Trustee Luckham: you trustee morrison um

[4:31:03] Trustee Luckham: with council's approval i would just like to make a remark with respect to this motion before we

[4:31:10] Trustee Luckham: get into the conversations and i'll just simply ask is there any objections to

[4:31:14] Trustee Luckham: the chair just making a remark from conversations we've had amongst ourselves not seeing any so

[4:31:22] Trustee Luckham: So the obvious thing is, is that there's potentially going to be more budget, maybe a lot more

[4:31:27] Trustee Luckham: budget.

[4:31:28] Trustee Luckham: And once we see a plan, I suspect we will be coming back to you with something that

[4:31:35] Trustee Luckham: may even be a special meeting to discuss that very nature of it.

[4:31:40] Trustee Luckham: But I think we need to make a plan.

[4:31:41] Trustee Luckham: We need to figure out how that's going to work, how much it's going to cost, and then

[4:31:45] Trustee Luckham: make a decision based upon that information.

[4:31:47] Trustee Luckham: This motion will help us to get there.

[4:31:50] Trustee Luckham: and absolutely we've heard loud and clear more consultation and and we've got and december is a

[4:31:57] Trustee Luckham: good time frame to do that and um so i just want to share that and i'm going to now go to the

[4:32:03] Trustee Luckham: speakers list which i see as presently patrick rogers alan wolverton middleton

[4:32:10] Trustee Patrick: uh well thank

[4:32:12] Trustee Patrick: you trustee morrison for putting this on what i think would be helpful because uh well i'm one of

[4:32:18] Trustee Patrick: of those that are on the executive is, I think we need to talk a little bit now to give some

[4:32:22] Trustee Patrick: guidance from trustees of what engagement looks like. It's probably going to be, there's the

[4:32:29] Trustee Patrick: federation level materials that will be offered to everyone that's in the federation, but then

[4:32:34] Trustee Patrick: our particular islands will have differing needs. I know Salt Spring has a significant

[4:32:41] Trustee Patrick: need to go through the facilitation and probably even an independent third party to help facilitate

[4:32:47] Trustee Patrick: facilitate that. And that's going to cost more money. You know, I think we need deliberative

[4:32:53] Trustee Patrick: dialogue. And I don't know how many islands need to have deliberate dialogue. Maybe some can be

[4:32:57] Trustee Patrick: led by their trustees. Some, again, will be independent facilitators. So I think I'd really

[4:33:03] Trustee Patrick: like to hear from trustees as to what this engagement might look like, because that helps.

[4:33:08] Trustee Patrick: You know, I think we should give that direction explicitly to staff rather than just leave it

[4:33:13] Trustee Patrick: unsaid okay

[4:33:16] Trustee Luckham: thank you trustee patrick trustee rogers alan warbleton middleton mcconkey brent

[4:33:23] Trustee Rogers: trustee morrison um the it may be controversial to go to the executive committee but i'm going

[4:33:30] Trustee Rogers: to suggest it's probably most controversial amongst the executive committee um it uh

[4:33:37] Trustee Rogers: it's because we all saw a lot of correspondence that indicated that the executive committee was

[4:33:44] Trustee Rogers: driving an agenda through all of this and so which i'm very very sensitive to um i i will tell you

[4:33:53] Trustee Rogers: that well i i have no problem with the concept of this i'm going to ask trust council before the end

[4:33:59] Trustee Rogers: of today to actually authorize uh an amount of money that they think at least generally they

[4:34:06] Trustee Rogers: would be comfortable authorizing even though they don't know the specifics because it's it's hard to

[4:34:11] Trustee Rogers: to go to try and set up a consultation process

[4:34:15] Trustee Rogers: without knowing, we know how much budget

[4:34:18] Trustee Rogers: has been allocated to this process so far.

[4:34:21] Trustee Rogers: We know approximately how much is still in our surplus

[4:34:26] Trustee Rogers: excessive of the, that exceeds the,

[4:34:30] Trustee Rogers: that exceeds the minimum,

[4:34:34] Trustee Rogers: which is about $250,000 roughly.

[4:34:37] Trustee Rogers: roughly. But honestly, I agree with Trustee Patrick, Vice Chair Patrick, that we could come

[4:34:46] Trustee Rogers: back with all sorts of things. But if nobody has any ideas, that idea of what Trust Council would

[4:34:53] Trustee Rogers: think, and I'm going to probably put a promotion on the table that says Trust Council would

[4:34:58] Trustee Rogers: authorize up to $75,000 extra in order to ensure a deep and meaningful engagement, because I think

[4:35:05] Trustee Rogers: I think there's been lots of talk about the fact

[4:35:07] Trustee Rogers: that we need third parties to help us out with this.

[4:35:10] Trustee Rogers: And I agree with some of that conversation.

[4:35:12] Trustee Rogers: So I just wanted to say that I think this motion

[4:35:17] Trustee Rogers: without some indication from trust council

[4:35:19] Trustee Rogers: that they're going to support a substantive increase

[4:35:23] Trustee Rogers: in the engagement budget for this

[4:35:26] Trustee Rogers: is really going to tie our hands as an executive.

[4:35:32] Trustee Rogers: Thank

[4:35:32] Trustee Luckham: you, Trustee Rogers.

[4:35:33] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Allen, Wolverton, Middleton, McConkie, Brant.

[4:35:39] Trustee Allen: First, there's no timeline to this,

[4:35:41] Trustee Allen: and I'd be curious to see what timeline there would be.

[4:35:44] Trustee Allen: And also, the governance review has not been mentioned at all today,

[4:35:50] Trustee Allen: and I'm just wondering when that's going to be coming out,

[4:35:53] Trustee Allen: October or something, is that the findings,

[4:35:56] Trustee Allen: or is that going to have any impact on our decisions we're making today?

[4:35:59] Trustee Allen: And also, in terms of the executive trying to figure out

[4:36:04] Trustee Allen: where they go with this one it's it's um it's obviously what we've done in the last year is

[4:36:12] Trustee Allen: not what's not working for the public in terms of engagement and also we have to also put that

[4:36:17] Trustee Allen: in the lens of the pandemic as well and um it's yeah so i just urge the executive to look at like

[4:36:24] Trustee Allen: what we've been doing is obviously not working thank

[4:36:26] Voice 9: you um

[4:36:31] Trustee Luckham: so thank you trustee alan um if i'm

[4:36:36] Trustee Luckham: not mistaken i i believe that the governance review reporting isn't due until um march march

[4:36:43] Trustee Luckham: next year and so uh there isn't really a conflict there so thank you trustee allen for the question

[4:36:49] Trustee Luckham: trustee wilburton middleton mcconkey brent my

[4:36:53] Voice 16: question was also about the governance committee

[4:36:56] Voice 16: but i i thought that it was going to be sooner than march no

[4:37:02] Trustee Allen: excuse me i didn't have all my

[4:37:05] Trustee Allen: my other question answered.

[4:37:06] Trustee Allen: There's no timeline to this

[4:37:07] Trustee Allen: and I just think there should be a timeline.

[4:37:08] Trustee Allen: We're going on about timelines.

[4:37:11] Trustee Luckham: Trustee, I'm sorry, CAO Hawthorne-Pillard.

[4:37:14] Voice 21: Yeah, the timeline is inherent

[4:37:16] Voice 21: in the motion that was passed previously.

[4:37:18] Voice 21: So there would be a significant effort.

[4:37:21] Voice 21: We've absolutely heard, you know,

[4:37:24] Voice 21: the depth of engagement that's being requested

[4:37:28] Voice 21: and it's going to happen between now and December

[4:37:32] Voice 21: so that you get full information so that informs that in terms of the governance committee and i

[4:37:38] Voice 21: believe it was our last trust council that date was changed from christmas you know i think you

[4:37:43] Voice 21: all voted on it to accept the uh the results of that in march of 2022

[4:37:51] Trustee Allen: they're

[4:37:54] Voice 21: not reviewing the

[4:37:55] Voice 21: policy statement as part of their work um at this time it's it hasn't been mentioned in any of the

[4:38:01] Voice 21: terms so um they might be watching the process but uh they're not cotangial they're not tangential

[4:38:09] Voice 21: pieces of work

[4:38:10] Trustee Allen: okay can a friendly amendment be to add december to this motion well

[4:38:19] Voice 21: the only thing

[4:38:20] Voice 21: i would say is that you like comments have been said before you want to consider first reading

[4:38:26] Voice 21: but you want to stay flexible in if you needed to have more engagement so um you know if you

[4:38:33] Voice 21: needed to creep past a certain date why not plan for that now to ensure that communities are um

[4:38:38] Voice 21: having their say and getting and getting that information back to you so i offer you that

[4:38:43] Voice 21: thought okay

[4:38:47] Trustee Luckham: uh thank you everyone um i'm gonna continue on with my speakers list now

[4:38:55] Trustee Luckham: trustee wolverton did you speak already yeah you wanna all right is your hand up or okay your hand

[4:39:07] Trustee Luckham: is done thank you trustee middleton mcconkie brent thank

[4:39:14] Trustee Middleton: you yes um i i do think i mean that

[4:39:19] Trustee Middleton: there's elements of the motion there that i find of course good based on my previous comments but

[4:39:23] Trustee Middleton: i think we need a comprehensive strategy that has gone beyond what has currently been presented in

[4:39:31] Trustee Middleton: terms of the policy statement review um i would task um executive with drafting something

[4:39:39] Trustee Middleton: something preliminary and of course they're going to ask the staff to do that work and

[4:39:44] Trustee Middleton: then Council can have the benefit of responding and providing input to that draft in September

[4:39:50] Trustee Middleton: such that we're all, as I think Trustee Rogers was hinting at, we're all actually moving

[4:39:57] Trustee Middleton: the same way on the project at that point. There's no sort of one island of work that

[4:40:02] Trustee Middleton: gets ahead of others' understanding and creates issues that we don't want to have. And I think

[4:40:08] Trustee Middleton: we have the opportunity for for that work to happen before september and then we all weigh

[4:40:13] Trustee Middleton: in on it in september and then it'd be finalized and and acted upon it it may mean that we're not

[4:40:18] Trustee Middleton: ready for first reading in december or it may it really just depends on what a comprehensive

[4:40:24] Trustee Middleton: consultation plan um comes to look like thank you thank

[4:40:31] Trustee Luckham: you trustee middleman i think we can take

[4:40:33] Trustee Luckham: that under advisement that you know comprehensive engagement plan is what we talk about with public

[4:40:39] Trustee Luckham: engagement because that's certainly the message that we've heard um so thank you trust and i'm

[4:40:45] Trustee Luckham: going to go to trustee mcconkey brent and kale

[4:40:47] Trustee McConchie: thanks chair welcome so i have a question um

[4:40:51] Trustee McConchie: so i'm just trying to think of how cheaply we could do this

[4:40:54] Trustee Maude: so

[4:40:55] Trustee McConchie: can we our trustees on their

[4:40:57] Trustee McConchie: own islands allowed to just have a community information meeting uh with a minute taker there

[4:41:02] Trustee McConchie: and would that qualify as engagement because what i'm what i'm hearing from folks is that they they

[4:41:07] Trustee McConchie: They want that in-person meeting and a chance to speak, look at the draft and tell us what they think.

[4:41:13] Trustee McConchie: And then the minute taker take down notes and then we can look at the minutes and go, hey, look at this is what people are saying.

[4:41:19] Trustee McConchie: And I don't see what like that puts us in the hand of trustees and trustees put themselves in the public and sit there.

[4:41:25] Trustee McConchie: And I mean, if you want a staff member to come and talk about the policy statement, you know, maybe that can come out of your own local trust committee budget.

[4:41:32] Trustee McConchie: budget, right? But as far as issues on North Pender, I could easily just set up something

[4:41:38] Trustee McConchie: in North Pender Community Hall as a microphone there and we hire a minute taker. I just don't

[4:41:43] Trustee McConchie: see why we can't just do that.

[4:41:49] Voice 21: You could. Yeah, sounds great. I just, you know, what we're hearing

[4:41:54] Voice 21: is lots of different needs, some deeper need. At least that's what I'm hearing. Salt Spring might

[4:42:02] Voice 21: have a different solution and indeed in any one island that that conversation that you're

[4:42:07] Voice 21: describing trustee mcconkey might lead to a need for you know someone gets really hooked

[4:42:12] Voice 21: on a particular policy and you want to deep dive on it how do we do that um keeping in mind that

[4:42:18] Voice 21: the document is a pan it's a regional document it's not an official community plan so we have

[4:42:23] Voice 21: to keep tying it back to everybody having input and evening that input out across the whole region

[4:42:32] Voice 21: So there's got to be some mechanism that we're communicating that information from one island to another.

[4:42:38] Voice 21: So I'd like to plan, would certainly work with you to de-bureaucratize some of these meetings to the biggest degree possible.

[4:42:51] Voice 21: I doubt it's going to satisfy what we've heard over the last two weeks as the sole mechanism to do it, but certainly open to that solution.

[4:43:01] Trustee McConchie: well what other mechanism then like so i don't understand maybe explain the process so we go to

[4:43:06] Trustee McConchie: the community hall everyone speaks there's also the website is already there and people can fill

[4:43:11] Trustee McConchie: out whatever information they want based on the draft towards the islands 2050 website what so

[4:43:17] Trustee McConchie: let's say something goes deeper i don't understand what that means and why that costs money

[4:43:21] Trustee Morrison: i'd like

[4:43:22] Trustee Morrison: to expand on that if i can i have an example um and that

[4:43:28] Trustee Morrison: would be for instance we've had a lot

[4:43:30] Trustee Morrison: lot of feedback on desalinization and people not understanding desalinization or disagreeing with

[4:43:37] Trustee Morrison: what they see in the current policy statement around desalinization. So one of the things that

[4:43:44] Trustee Morrison: be done across all the islands is a couple staff could get together and create a webinar around

[4:43:49] Trustee Morrison: that particular piece, if that's the feedback that we're hearing. And we can invite folks to

[4:43:55] Trustee Morrison: to come to a, you know, maybe it's a virtual webinar on that topic and ask questions and

[4:44:00] Trustee Morrison: become more informed on that particular piece. The same can be said around issues of housing,

[4:44:06] Trustee Morrison: issues of farming, I think was the other one. And there was one other one that I know that have been

[4:44:10] Trustee Morrison: already a bit like there's questions of why, what's the science behind that? Why is it in

[4:44:16] Trustee Morrison: there in the first place? And so having more collective conversations around those particular

[4:44:20] Trustee Morrison: things might also help inform trustees own knowledge and understanding about why that's in

[4:44:24] Trustee Morrison: there thank

[4:44:28] Trustee Luckham: you trustee morrison um i might just remark all of these are possibilities

[4:44:36] Trustee Luckham: some truck you know one of the other messages we're hearing is every island is different every

[4:44:40] Trustee Luckham: community is different and and i'm prepared to believe that every community's needs are different

[4:44:45] Trustee Luckham: and some communities we can do exactly what you've described ben and it would be perfect

[4:44:50] Trustee Luckham: other communities and trustees are going to need more support and more information and i think the

[4:44:55] Trustee Luckham: the last thing we need to do is subject ourselves to criticism that we didn't do a good job.

[4:45:00] Trustee Luckham: So I think comprehensive engagement, as Trustee Middleton has said, is what we need to be

[4:45:06] Trustee Luckham: considering. Now, CAO Hopson-Pillar. And

[4:45:08] Voice 21: of course, we have to remind ourselves that we're only partway

[4:45:11] Voice 21: through our reconciliation engagement activities, and there's sustained, more detailed conversations

[4:45:18] Voice 21: that are to come. Those conversations will need funding too, and you need to get that information

[4:45:25] Voice 21: back to you and we need to continue on the good path

[4:45:29] Voice 21: that we've established and the good relationships

[4:45:32] Voice 21: we started up and that has to be commensurate with,

[4:45:35] Voice 21: you know, the sort of the three streams of information

[4:45:38] Voice 21: that Trust Council is going to get over the next year

[4:45:41] Voice 21: as they make this decision, community input,

[4:45:45] Voice 21: a deeper community input, your ministries

[4:45:49] Voice 21: and those other agencies that impact this document.

[4:45:53] Voice 21: and, of course, the next phase of the reconciliation discussion.

[4:45:59] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, CEO Hotzenpiller, for anchoring that back

[4:46:04] Trustee Luckham: to the commitment to consult with community

[4:46:08] Trustee Luckham: because community is also First Nations.

[4:46:14] Trustee Luckham: I'm struggling a little with the word there

[4:46:16] Trustee Luckham: because I don't want to characterize it in any way,

[4:46:19] Trustee Luckham: but we have an obligation through our commitment to reconciliation

[4:46:22] Trustee Luckham: to consult with First Nations equally.

[4:46:24] Trustee Luckham: and we've heard that in the public consultation here and so indeed it all needs to come together

[4:46:30] Trustee Luckham: comprehensively in a full plan that um that uh that we can be happy with so let us continue

[4:46:38] Trustee Luckham: uh the speakers list brent kale scott coburn rockefeller on the motion before us if you don't

[4:46:46] Trustee Luckham: mind yeah so i

[4:46:50] Voice 3: think i'd like to say i'd like to confirm the fact that this needs to be

[4:46:54] Voice 3: a comprehensive consultation.

[4:46:57] Voice 3: And I think I've got a reputation

[4:46:59] Voice 3: from nine years of finance committee

[4:47:02] Voice 3: of not spending prolificately or suggesting it.

[4:47:06] Voice 3: But this is one case where A, we have the funds,

[4:47:10] Voice 3: we have a substantial surplus

[4:47:12] Voice 3: and we've had a substantial surplus for years.

[4:47:15] Voice 3: Those are tax dollars that could be put to good use

[4:47:19] Voice 3: in an appropriate consultation.

[4:47:21] Voice 3: All of our islands are very unique.

[4:47:24] Voice 3: That's what's going to make a policy statement difficult to apply.

[4:47:31] Voice 3: It's also going to make consultation difficult to supply.

[4:47:34] Voice 3: So we have the money.

[4:47:38] Voice 3: We need to do it right.

[4:47:39] Voice 3: Let's do it right.

[4:47:41] Voice 3: Let's make sure that this isn't necessarily a decision of the executive, not that I'm trying to diss the executive, but this has to be a decision of trust counsel as well.

[4:47:51] Voice 3: So Trust Council has to approve this type of deep and comprehensive consultation.

[4:47:57] Voice 3: That's that's the most important thing. And I guess secondarily, I'll reinforce the fact we have the money for it.

[4:48:04] Voice 3: And this is how we should be spending that kind of money. Thanks.

[4:48:08] Voice 3: Thank you, Trustee Brent.

[4:48:09] Trustee Luckham: So, Trustee, I'm sorry. It's 12 minutes before two o'clock.

[4:48:14] Trustee Luckham: We had committed to ending at two o'clock. There are a couple more motions on the table here.

[4:48:19] Trustee Luckham: if we're in support generally of this motion perhaps we can move to the vote I'm inclined

[4:48:26] Trustee Luckham: to want to do that in order to conclude the work today because otherwise we're going to have to

[4:48:31] Trustee Luckham: come back and do this again in some fashion and I have no idea how that's going to happen

[4:48:34] Trustee Luckham: and I'm sorry for that that's I don't want to repress any of the conversation but Trustee Kale

[4:48:40] Trustee Luckham: Scott and then perhaps we'll go to the vote on this motion and return to the table motion

[4:48:45] Trustee Luckham: motion unless there's something else go ahead trustee kale yes

[4:48:48] Voice 34: very simply um we're using the

[4:48:51] Voice 34: term develop a project charter i'm not entirely sure what a project what's the definition please

[4:48:57] Voice 34: of a project charter in this context thank

[4:49:01] Trustee Luckham: you trustee kale you know island bone island

[4:49:04] Trustee Luckham: municipality maybe does things differently than we do um but the cao is looking for something here

[4:49:10] Trustee Luckham: essentially it's a timeline and a budget um and the and the what's in scope what's out of scope

[4:49:16] Trustee Luckham: um uh to achieve the the the purpose and

[4:49:21] Voice 21: uh yes so the current one's on page 31 of your package

[4:49:24] Voice 21: thank

[4:49:24] Trustee Luckham: you and that uh

[4:49:25] Voice 21: you know one pager um as easily digestible as possible summarizes the

[4:49:31] Voice 21: very implications of the project we're going to undertake so this would be essentially

[4:49:35] Voice 21: a deepening of the current project charter

[4:49:38] Voice 21: to come up with a specific engagement version.

[4:49:41] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, CEO.

[4:49:42] Trustee Luckham: I really thank you for the question, Trustee Cahill.

[4:49:44] Trustee Luckham: It's a good reminder.

[4:49:47] Trustee Luckham: So Trustee Scott, I think might be the last speaker

[4:49:49] Trustee Luckham: and perhaps we'll vote.

[4:49:53] Trustee Scott: Thank you.

[4:49:53] Trustee Scott: I'd like to make, I think they're friendly amendments.

[4:49:56] Trustee Scott: I think the word should be to develop a draft project charter

[4:50:02] Trustee Scott: for public engagement, because I think,

[4:50:04] Trustee Scott: i'm hoping what would this would get put together uh the executive committee would then look at it

[4:50:11] Trustee Scott: and approve it and then send it us out to us to be able to have a look at it and get back to you

[4:50:16] Trustee Scott: so that's one the word draft be put in there and secondly by when i think alex allen asked a good

[4:50:23] Trustee Scott: question by when i need to i want to see this thing so i can get it and tell the people on

[4:50:28] Trustee Scott: the island just what's going to happen so and i think we need that relatively soon so i think by

[4:50:33] Trustee Scott: the end of august at the latest we need this if we're going to be able to implement it in september

[4:50:38] Trustee Scott: and october so those are my thoughts okay

[4:50:44] Trustee Luckham: so i'm seeing uh trustee morrison um do you have

[4:50:48] Trustee Luckham: this any issue with that word inserted there on your motion yeah so

[4:50:54] Trustee Morrison: we already have a pro

[4:50:56] Trustee Morrison: uh a project charter for public engagement so there is a project charter so this would be a

[4:51:02] Trustee Morrison: revised charter to expand engagement um and so if any amendment to this motion it would be to

[4:51:10] Trustee Morrison: develop a revised product project charter sure

[4:51:13] Trustee Scott: that sounds yeah that makes sense um

[4:51:16] Trustee Morrison: and so we

[4:51:17] Trustee Morrison: would continue on with our current project charter between now and september and hopefully the tabled

[4:51:22] Trustee Morrison: motion would deepen our commitment in communities to to doing some of this work um between now and

[4:51:28] Trustee Morrison: september and then we could see if there's additional things we want to do after that

[4:51:33] Trustee Scott: okay so can you tag a date onto the end of this thing i

[4:51:38] Trustee Morrison: don't know that i need to because i think

[4:51:43] Trustee Morrison: that that would it's implied by the sort of between now on that i don't know that i need to

[4:51:50] Trustee Morrison: i don't know we

[4:51:51] Trustee Luckham: are highly motivated yeah

[4:51:53] Trustee Scott: yeah well you know come on what is highly motivated

[4:51:59] Trustee Scott: mean end of the end of august i can say i'm gonna i'm gonna get my i'm gonna review the 37 pages

[4:52:07] Trustee Scott: i'm gonna get that back in first i'm gonna get this document i'm gonna look at that i can start

[4:52:12] Trustee Scott: telling the community people now what's going to happen over the next little while okay so i'm

[4:52:16] Trustee Scott: looking to staff end of

[4:52:17] Trustee Luckham: august achievable approval the answer is yes and so um uh you know i've never

[4:52:24] Trustee Luckham: really liked the notion of friendly amendments because i think a motion that has been moved in

[4:52:27] Trustee Luckham: second it is owned by council and so trustee scott can you make an amendment to add the word revised

[4:52:33] Trustee Luckham: and by august end of august as an amendment to this motion i apologize

[4:52:38] Trustee Luckham: for that council but

[4:52:40] Trustee Scott: all right forget it if you don't think it's necessary uh don't do it

[4:52:43] Trustee Scott: then don't do it you

[4:52:45] Trustee Luckham: know what staff are telling me not staff are telling me it's not necessary we will accept

[4:52:49] Trustee Luckham: this as a friendly amendment because the mover has advanced it uh just because i don't like it

[4:52:54] Trustee Luckham: doesn't mean anything let's add the words uh end of august uh in the or in aug is it the end of

[4:53:00] Trustee Luckham: august by

[4:53:01] Voice 17: the end of august sorry

[4:53:04] Trustee Luckham: by

[4:53:06] Voice 17: the end of august i think i heard by

[4:53:09] Trustee Luckham: the end of august thank

[4:53:10] Trustee Luckham: you okay so council you see the motion up on the screen there can

[4:53:15] Trustee Allen: i what do you want so that scott

[4:53:18] Trustee Luckham: um that i think trustee scott that meets your intent there yeah and now i see hands all popping

[4:53:26] Trustee Luckham: which is going to delay us voting here,

[4:53:28] Trustee Luckham: but totally fast, go ahead.

[4:53:30] Trustee Fast: I just, now that the word revised is in there,

[4:53:33] Trustee Fast: it makes it look like this is a new project charter.

[4:53:37] Trustee Fast: So I heard a chair of trust programs say additional,

[4:53:40] Trustee Fast: and I'm wondering if she could insert the word additional

[4:53:44] Trustee Fast: public engagement, additional before public engagement

[4:53:48] Trustee Fast: to make it clear that this is in addition to,

[4:53:53] Trustee Fast: as opposed to replacing.

[4:53:54] Trustee Fast: I think

[4:53:56] Trustee Luckham: that a revised project charter is taking the project charter that's in your

[4:54:00] Trustee Luckham: package and revising it to something that we've learned from the public in the last

[4:54:05] Trustee Luckham: few days.

[4:54:06] Trustee Fast: Okay.

[4:54:07] Trustee Fast: All right.

[4:54:08] Trustee Fast: Thank you.

[4:54:08] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[4:54:09] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Trustee Fess.

[4:54:10] Trustee Luckham: Now, Trustee Allen, and then let's go to Abel.

[4:54:13] Trustee Allen: It's just out in the year 2021 after August.

[4:54:16] Trustee Allen: That's it.

[4:54:17] Trustee Luckham: Absolutely.

[4:54:18] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[4:54:20] Trustee Luckham: An eye for detail.

[4:54:22] Trustee Luckham: Council, I would like to call the vote. Are we okay? All those in favour? Hands up on

[4:54:36] Trustee Luckham: the screen. I don't see Dodge. I think she got disconnected. So 22 in favour. Lower your

[4:54:45] Trustee Luckham: hands. Lowering hands. And lowered hands, please. Maude and Beshaken, unless you're

[4:54:59] Trustee Luckham: opposed okay so that's clear any opposed one opposed and trustee middleton thank you very

[4:55:11] Trustee Luckham: much everyone that carries all right now um at this juncture the motion that was tabled do we

[4:55:18] Trustee Luckham: want to pursue that trustee morrison or do you have something else you want to add i think there

[4:55:23] Trustee Morrison: is uh one last piece to the public consultation that we should get on the table here before we

[4:55:29] Trustee Morrison: go back to the other motion

[4:55:30] Voice 10: number three three

[4:55:32] Trustee Morrison: which was that the so i moved that the islands

[4:55:35] Trustee Morrison: trust council requests that the draft new policy statement be referred to first nations bone island

[4:55:41] Trustee Morrison: municipality local trust committees and the islands trust conservancy board regional districts

[4:55:46] Trustee Morrison: improvement district school districts and provincial and federal government agencies

[4:55:49] Trustee Morrison: or departments having jurisdiction in the trust area

[4:55:56] Trustee Luckham: seconded by trustee rockefeller thank you

[4:55:59] Trustee Luckham: and you wish to speak to the motion trustee morrison yeah

[4:56:04] Trustee Morrison: so for me this is an issue of

[4:56:06] Trustee Morrison: equity in in many ways if if we are seeking input on a draft new policy statement um from our

[4:56:15] Trustee Morrison: communities more broadly in in this draft form if we're as a trust as a group of trustees not

[4:56:21] Trustee Morrison: owning the drafts just as a trust council iterating on them as we have for the last

[4:56:26] Trustee Morrison: last year and a half, then I feel we need to broaden the input a little bit and ensure that

[4:56:32] Trustee Morrison: we're getting a wider circle of people involved in the consultation process so that we are getting

[4:56:38] Trustee Morrison: that balanced perspective from different areas that's been alluded to several times today.

[4:56:44] Trustee Morrison: Thank you.

[4:56:46] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Trustee Morrison. So I've got a speaker's list starting here. I think I'm

[4:56:51] Trustee Luckham: just going to say this is part of the comprehensiveness of this consultation process

[4:56:55] Trustee Luckham: and that it needs to happen concurrently so that we don't get one before the other and then have to

[4:57:00] Trustee Luckham: go back to the first group and then go back to the second group and we get ourselves trapped in that

[4:57:05] Trustee Luckham: so it's up to you whether or not you want to support it but i just share that with you so

[4:57:08] Trustee Luckham: the speakers now on the motion that's on the screen before you is beshaken patrick rogers and

[4:57:14] Trustee Luckham: Peterson.

[4:57:18] Trustee Busheikin: I'll go ahead. Thank you. It's not so much a comment as a question. It may be on

[4:57:23] Trustee Busheikin: several people's minds. What do we mean here by the draft new policy statement, given that I

[4:57:31] Trustee Busheikin: believe many of us today have tacked away some ideas to amend the current draft that we have

[4:57:38] Trustee Busheikin: before us uh so is there an idea that we would do that before we send it out we would consider

[4:57:48] Trustee Busheikin: amendments that people have in mind now or is there an understanding that trustees will hold

[4:57:54] Trustee Busheikin: back on and that and that will send the draft as it exists right now

[4:57:59] Trustee Morrison: so i'll um if i can answer

[4:58:02] Trustee Morrison: that chair oh

[4:58:03] Trustee Luckham: thank you trustee marston i thought i was gonna have to answer it go ahead um so that

[4:58:09] Trustee Morrison: that was my first question before we started into this long conversation on

[4:58:12] Trustee Morrison: timing, if we want to handle the amendments first or the timing first.

[4:58:16] Trustee Morrison: And so here we are at two o'clock with no amendments today.

[4:58:20] Trustee Morrison: So that was a choice of council on which way to go.

[4:58:23] Trustee Morrison: And so given our timing,

[4:58:25] Trustee Morrison: we will have to decide as we close this meeting,

[4:58:28] Trustee Morrison: whether we want to have an additional meeting to feel like field amendments,

[4:58:33] Trustee Morrison: whether we want to, how we want to handle that. That's our choice.

[4:58:38] Trustee Luckham: thank you trustee morrison um you know i just feel necessary to comment we certainly received

[4:58:47] Trustee Luckham: a lot of feedback and we can certainly make amendments based on the feedback that we've had

[4:58:52] Trustee Luckham: but the feedback remains and if we get broader feedback on the same topic we're still going to

[4:58:58] Trustee Luckham: get the same message but anyway if you want to make amendments that's going to be your choice

[4:59:03] Trustee Luckham: and we are running out of time in today's meeting and i think i want to respect that

[4:59:07] Trustee Luckham: I'm sure that you in the public would appreciate that.

[4:59:11] Trustee Luckham: So let's continue the conversation.

[4:59:15] Trustee Luckham: Is it Patrick is next, Rogers, Peterson, Middleton, Colburn.

[4:59:19] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, mine is along the amendment.

[4:59:22] Trustee Patrick: I think some of the amendments that I know I have the two

[4:59:27] Trustee Patrick: on agriculture I want to,

[4:59:28] Trustee Patrick: and I know I'm sure someone's gonna either make the docs

[4:59:31] Trustee Patrick: one are kind of important and that would affect

[4:59:34] Trustee Patrick: some of the referrals and the responses to the referral.

[4:59:37] Trustee Patrick: So I think the amendments are kind of important to do before we send it out for referral.

[4:59:46] Trustee Luckham: OK, thank you, Trustee Patrick. I think I agree with you on that.

[4:59:50] Trustee Luckham: And so therefore, we need to get through this motion and consider some amendments in no time.

[5:00:00] Trustee Luckham: have remaining today and see what council's appetite is to do that trustee rogers peterson

[5:00:05] Trustee Luckham: middleton coburn rockefeller um

[5:00:11] Trustee Rogers: a little hesitant to do this but i think i think we that the motion

[5:00:17] Trustee Rogers: has to be amended short uh slightly to indicate that we receive the draft policy statement and

[5:00:23] Trustee Rogers: and then request that it be referred um and i i just think there's a formality of this we didn't

[5:00:30] Trustee Rogers: give it first reading but i think we have to do something where we indicate that we've got it now

[5:00:35] Trustee Rogers: um other than it just shows up on our agenda and and i think there's a formal process of receipt

[5:00:41] Trustee Rogers: of a of a of a draft policy statement that indicates that this is this is our work product

[5:00:46] Trustee Rogers: that such that it is at this stage um so um i don't think of you know i don't think we can

[5:00:55] Trustee Rogers: and friendly amendment, the motion.

[5:00:59] Trustee Rogers: I guess I'd like it to read that the Islands Trust Council

[5:01:03] Trustee Rogers: receive the draft policy statement

[5:01:05] Trustee Rogers: and request that it be referred

[5:01:07] Trustee Rogers: to the First Nations, et cetera.

[5:01:10] Trustee Rogers: And I don't know if anybody else shares my view about that,

[5:01:15] Trustee Rogers: but that's a motion that I guess I'm just going to say,

[5:01:19] Trustee Rogers: I move that we amend the motion to read

[5:01:22] Trustee Rogers: that the Islands Trust Council

[5:01:23] Trustee Rogers: will receive the draft policy statement

[5:01:25] Trustee Rogers: and request it be referred to the First Nations, et cetera.

[5:01:31] Voice 3: I'll second that.

[5:01:32] Voice 3: All right,

[5:01:34] Trustee Luckham: thank you, Trustee Rogers

[5:01:35] Trustee Luckham: for thinking that through.

[5:01:37] Trustee Luckham: Certainly you have my support for that.

[5:01:38] Trustee Luckham: And so that was seconded by Trustee Brent.

[5:01:41] Trustee Luckham: And now I apologize,

[5:01:43] Trustee Luckham: we're going to lose the speakers list here once again.

[5:01:47] Trustee Luckham: And so I'm guessing you don't want to speak to your motion

[5:01:51] Trustee Luckham: any further, Trustee Rogers?

[5:01:52] Trustee Luckham: no

[5:01:53] Trustee Rogers: I think I have spoken to it it's just a

[5:01:56] Trustee Luckham: motion and therefore are there any speakers on the

[5:02:03] Trustee Luckham: amendment to the motion and if you

[5:02:06] Voice 10: haven't lowered your hand

[5:02:07] Trustee Luckham: already you will have to

[5:02:08] Trustee Luckham: so on the amendment

[5:02:12] Trustee Luckham: of the motion trustee Middleton Coburn Fenta thank

[5:02:18] Trustee Middleton: you yeah I think the

[5:02:19] Trustee Middleton: the amendment would be fine if it just simply asked for receipt of the of the draft policy

[5:02:27] Trustee Middleton: statement because again i struggle with the fact a comprehensive um um consultation program will

[5:02:36] Trustee Middleton: say exactly which people are going to be consulted with and when and how the drafts are to be handled

[5:02:42] Trustee Middleton: and which version of the draft goes out and what the time frame for that is and we just seem to be

[5:02:47] Trustee Middleton: doing this piece by piece so we have a very amateur frankly sounding consultation uh prospectus before

[5:02:54] Trustee Middleton: for us when we have an opportunity to do something real and meaningful that covers all stakeholders

[5:03:00] Trustee Middleton: aboriginal people islanders off-island property owners people of british columbia in a comprehensive

[5:03:07] Trustee Middleton: piece of work that has a budget and a time frame and why we're shying away from that i just don't

[5:03:12] Trustee Middleton: understand so i can't support the amendment unless it simply ends at receiving the draft

[5:03:17] Trustee Middleton: policy statement okay

[5:03:21] Trustee Luckham: thank you um i think we're trying to be um uh precautious and and providing

[5:03:29] Trustee Luckham: opportunity for debate on pieces of the puzzle i don't think there's anything amateurish about it

[5:03:33] Trustee Luckham: it's a precautionary approach to advancing what we can agree upon um or not and um so i'm going

[5:03:41] Trustee Luckham: I'm going to continue for comments

[5:03:44] Trustee Luckham: on the amendment to the motion.

[5:03:48] Trustee Luckham: And I've got Coburn, Fenton and Morrison.

[5:03:54] Voice 35: I'll remove myself from the speaker's list, thank you.

[5:03:57] Voice 35: Thank you, Fenton Morrison.

[5:04:03] Trustee Fenton: Friendly amendment is version 2.0

[5:04:06] Trustee Fenton: just because we're going to be getting iterations over time

[5:04:09] Trustee Fenton: and just with-

[5:04:11] Trustee Luckham: Not necessary.

[5:04:13] Trustee Luckham: Not necessary, okay.

[5:04:14] Trustee Luckham: Thank you. Trustee Morrison.

[5:04:47] Trustee Morrison: gone ahead and instigated public consultations with a draft version so here we are yeah

[5:04:53] Trustee Luckham: okay

[5:04:55] Trustee Luckham: thank you trustee morrison so trustee middleton i trust your hand is down at this point and so

[5:04:59] Trustee Luckham: i would like to call the question on the amendment to the motion and is it clear to everybody what

[5:05:06] Trustee Luckham: that is that the wording at the bottom there is uh uh replacing the words up to um that's a draft

[5:05:16] Trustee Luckham: so all those in favor and on the screen I'm not seeing any hands up there but I don't see those

[5:05:33] Trustee Luckham: participants either so there's 21 in favor please lower your hands any opposed trustee Middleton

[5:05:48] Trustee Luckham: opposed thank you that carries now we have an amended motion before us and is council ready

[5:05:57] Trustee Luckham: to vote on the amended motion. I see two hands up at this time, Rockefeller and Brent for

[5:06:04] Trustee Luckham: discussion on the amended motion.

[5:06:10] Voice 14: Hi there. So I strongly support the referral motion.

[5:06:15] Voice 14: Almost every trustee here today said there's been lack of consultation to inform the decision

[5:06:21] Voice 14: making moving forward, which means essentially your amendments are not well informed, any

[5:06:26] Voice 14: potential ones you may provide today so i think i think sending out this document for referral will

[5:06:32] Voice 14: actually engage and do the necessary consultation that all of you have stated is so important to you

[5:06:37] Voice 14: so thank you very much thank

[5:06:39] Trustee Luckham: you trustee rockefeller trustee brent

[5:06:41] Voice 3: well i was kind of i i'm

[5:06:46] Voice 3: i'm hearing what trustee middleton says and and i'm wondering if this is premature to be sending

[5:06:52] Voice 3: out something in such a raw form to certain of these agencies, like regional district,

[5:07:00] Voice 3: improvement district, school districts, provincial and federal government agencies.

[5:07:05] Voice 3: I don't know how many times you're going to have to refer this out as it gets refined.

[5:07:09] Voice 3: This seems just a little bit early, and I'm wondering if rather than a formal referral

[5:07:16] Voice 3: referral process they could be part of our comprehensive engagement rather than you know

[5:07:23] Voice 3: our standard referral so i'm i'm very uncomfortable with this now so i'm not sure i'm going to vote in

[5:07:30] Voice 3: favor of it thank you okay thank you trustee brin

[5:07:32] Trustee Luckham: i i think the council needs to decide

[5:07:34] Trustee Luckham: next if it wants to make amendments today um uh or not um so now i see a few more hands up so i

[5:07:44] Trustee Luckham: I see Coburn and Peterson, and then if we want

[5:07:48] Trustee Luckham: to make amendments, it would be a good time

[5:07:50] Trustee Luckham: to move on to making amendments.

[5:07:52] Trustee Luckham: And I apologize about the timing.

[5:07:55] Trustee Luckham: Brent, Coburn, Peterson, and Middleton

[5:07:57] Trustee Luckham: has his hand up one more time.

[5:08:03] Voice 35: So is it me, Chair?

[5:08:05] Voice 10: Yes.

[5:08:06] Voice 35: Thank you.

[5:08:08] Voice 35: Yeah, we've run out of time today, as far as I'm concerned.

[5:08:11] Voice 35: And, you know, either we schedule another special meeting

[5:08:13] Voice 35: and include a town hall, given the lack

[5:08:16] Voice 35: of connection issues which are obviously out of our control um if people want more engagement

[5:08:21] Voice 35: i'm going to need to do more meetings like this and we haven't had time today i'm not in favor

[5:08:25] Voice 35: of doing amendments today i would like to refer out this document i disagree with trustee brent

[5:08:30] Voice 35: that this is raw a lot of time and effort has gone into this and a lot of process

[5:08:35] Voice 35: that's been circumvented by a interpretation of public engagement results that is

[5:08:42] Voice 35: incomplete. It's not everyone wanted a delay or a pause or a reset or whatever. There's a lot of

[5:08:49] Voice 35: voices who have taken part in this, and it's important that we reflect those. I voted against

[5:08:54] Voice 35: a motion earlier. I was the only one who voted against it. I was voting on behalf of the people

[5:08:58] Voice 35: who have put their voice into this document. It's reflective of the process that we've followed

[5:09:05] Voice 35: and reflective of who we are at this moment in time

[5:09:12] Voice 35: and the consultation we did leading up to it.

[5:09:14] Voice 35: So I'm not in favor of doing amendments on the fly

[5:09:18] Voice 35: in the hour that's left to us after long days.

[5:09:21] Voice 35: If you're going to do amendments, do a special meeting,

[5:09:23] Voice 35: do another town hall.

[5:09:24] Voice 35: Otherwise, refer this document out because it's not raw.

[5:09:29] Voice 35: It's pretty well cooked, and I'm proud of it, actually.

[5:09:34] Trustee Fenton: Thank

[5:09:35] Trustee Luckham: you, Trustee Coburn.

[5:09:37] Voice 35: Um,

[5:09:38] Trustee Luckham: just where we at, we want comment from staff on, I don't know, do you, I don't, I honestly

[5:09:47] Trustee Luckham: don't know.

[5:09:48] Trustee Morrison: I would ask that we keep this as a political conversation, please. Thank you. Okay.

[5:09:53] Trustee Luckham: So let's keep it here then. Um, so trustee Peterson and Middleton are the two last speakers

[5:10:01] Voice 22: on the amended motion.

[5:10:06] Voice 26: Thank you, chair. Uh, I'm in support of the amended motion.

[5:10:09] Voice 26: I think it's important that as we're engaging

[5:10:14] Voice 26: and committing to further engagement

[5:10:16] Voice 26: that we concurrently begin this process.

[5:10:21] Voice 26: Obviously there's going to be amendments along the way.

[5:10:24] Voice 26: I agree with Trustee Coburn.

[5:10:26] Voice 26: I don't think it's realistic to try and hammer out

[5:10:28] Voice 26: all the potential amendments that people might have today.

[5:10:34] Voice 26: I am in support of the concept

[5:10:36] Voice 26: of perhaps another special meeting to work on that.

[5:10:38] Voice 26: and i think it would be very much important to add a town hall if we were to do a session like that

[5:10:43] Voice 26: i just wanted to support that notion and i'm going to vote in favor of this thank you trustee

[5:10:49] Trustee Luckham: peterson trustee middleton and then i'm going to call the vote trustee morrison do you want

[5:10:54] Trustee Luckham: a final remark thank you trustee mark middleton and then morrison i've

[5:11:00] Trustee Middleton: been very patient and i

[5:11:02] Trustee Middleton: don't want to start throwing around robert's rules of water here but i it's been very clear that i've

[5:11:07] Trustee Middleton: had a motion that i've been asking to have put on the floor now i could make motion as far as

[5:11:12] Trustee Middleton: primacy and secondary motions and they could be order of precedent and we can do all of that but

[5:11:17] Trustee Middleton: you persisted in accepting motions from uh from trustee morrison and i think as a very good case

[5:11:24] Trustee Middleton: that i could make here that i i can forward the secondary motion that advances our business

[5:11:29] Trustee Middleton: better than this incremental piecemeal set of motions that we've been we've been uh entertaining

[5:11:36] Trustee Middleton: And I have the right to ask for a vote on that.

[5:11:38] Trustee Middleton: Now, I've not done that, and I'm willing to let this matter go.

[5:11:44] Trustee Middleton: But I think that if we had a motion that allowed executive to consult with staff to come up with a plan for how we proceed in a consultative and comprehensive fashion, we could all as a council sit down with that in September and review it.

[5:12:00] Trustee Middleton: Right now, we're just acting in such a piecemeal, partially informed fashion, somewhat in response to correspondence, somewhat in response to the early agenda.

[5:12:10] Trustee Middleton: And I just don't see it doing credit to any of us.

[5:12:14] Trustee Middleton: I am happy to still table this motion if we want to dispose of the motion that's on the table beforehand, because I do think it will do all of us good.

[5:12:22] Trustee Middleton: It will address all of the needs that have been described here.

[5:12:26] Trustee Middleton: It's not a binary motion in any way, shape or form.

[5:12:30] Trustee Middleton: So I just ask for that consideration. And I'm not in favor of this current motion.

[5:12:35] Trustee Middleton: It's not advancing our business.

[5:12:39] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you, Trustee Middleton.

[5:12:43] Trustee Luckham: Appreciate your comments. But Trustee Morrison, you have the final remark here. And simply voting

[5:12:50] Trustee Luckham: on this will decide what we're going to do. Go ahead, Trustee Morrison.

[5:12:54] Trustee Luckham: Um,

[5:12:56] Trustee Morrison: I'm a little unclear process wise, if, um, trustee Middleton is suggesting that we do

[5:13:01] Trustee Morrison: something, um, different in this moment, or if there is actually a different course of action

[5:13:07] Trustee Morrison: he'd like to see. And if I think if he feels that there is a need to, to do that, he should do that.

[5:13:12] Trustee Morrison: Um, because the, the reality of, so what I was about to say, like in, in support of this motion

[5:13:20] Trustee Morrison: is just that you know we have a draft circulating right now in the public and that draft was

[5:13:30] Trustee Morrison: meant to come into this meeting to actually have amendments to have an informed process that we

[5:13:37] Trustee Morrison: all agreed to like over the course of the project charter and having that pushed out

[5:13:44] Trustee Morrison: into community as if it was a fully baked version and it

[5:13:48] Trustee Morrison: was ready for comment is why we're spending

[5:13:52] Trustee Morrison: this entire meeting instead of actually thinking about amendments and and thinking about you know

[5:13:57] Trustee Morrison: what version we want to pull into the public why we're actually already with the version in the

[5:14:03] Trustee Morrison: public and so because it's in the public I feel it's an issue of equity that it go broadly in

[5:14:09] Trustee Morrison: the public according to the consultation process right

[5:14:15] Trustee Luckham: thank you trustee morrison we do have a

[5:14:17] Trustee Luckham: motion on the table that has been moved and seconded and amended i would like to call the

[5:14:23] Trustee Luckham: vote on this motion all those in favor and just looking up to the screen if there's any raised

[5:14:44] Trustee Luckham: hands for those that don't have digital none so there's 20 votes including my own in favor

[5:14:50] Trustee Luckham: Those opposed, once the hands down is cleared shortly,

[5:14:59] Trustee Luckham: lowering your hands, thank you.

[5:15:05] Trustee Luckham: So those hands that are now up are opposed

[5:15:09] Trustee Luckham: and I see three hands opposed, four hands opposed,

[5:15:14] Trustee Luckham: and that carries.

[5:15:16] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much, council.

[5:15:18] Trustee Luckham: We now have a tabled motion that I think is appropriate now,

[5:15:23] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Morrison, that that has been concluded,

[5:15:27] Trustee Luckham: that that motion that was tabled

[5:15:29] Trustee Luckham: be returned to the table for a vote.

[5:15:32] Trustee Rogers: Mayor, just a point of order.

[5:15:34] Trustee Rogers: I actually want to introduce a motion

[5:15:35] Trustee Rogers: that is actually about the engagement process

[5:15:40] Trustee Rogers: and related to some of the motions that I've already passed

[5:15:43] Trustee Rogers: before we get the table motion back.

[5:15:45] Trustee Luckham: I see, so is that pertinent

[5:15:47] Trustee Luckham: to the motion that's been tabled?

[5:15:50] Trustee Rogers: No, it's pertinent to the topic

[5:15:54] Trustee Rogers: for which it was tabled okay

[5:15:56] Trustee Luckham: so council uh i'd like to offer that opportunity to trustee rogers

[5:16:01] Trustee Luckham: are there any objections to to that no no objections

[5:16:05] Trustee Middleton: it's somewhat of an objection

[5:16:08] Trustee Middleton: so it seems that um it is possible to insert one's motion into into a list of motions that you're

[5:16:15] Trustee Middleton: entertaining from somebody to whom you've given the floor so i'd like to also have my motion

[5:16:21] Trustee Middleton: considered on the exact same logic that Trustee Rogers has presented.

[5:16:27] Trustee Morrison: Yeah. And I also have the same objection, actually. I think that if Trustee Middleton

[5:16:32] Trustee Morrison: has a motion that he needs to bring forward that was in, and I know it's a little bit of

[5:16:37] Trustee Morrison: a challenge today with considering what order motions are in as we go forward, because this

[5:16:42] Trustee Morrison: is a complicated process. But I do think that if there's a motion Trustee Middleton has,

[5:16:48] Trustee Morrison: as it should also be in an equal way.

[5:16:50] Trustee Luckham: And I do agree, we've concluded the motion

[5:16:53] Trustee Luckham: that was on the table moments ago.

[5:16:56] Trustee Luckham: And so.

[5:17:03] Voice 20: So you've got a table of motion.

[5:17:05] Voice 20: Yeah, we've got-

[5:17:06] Voice 20: That you need to consider,

[5:17:07] Voice 20: and then any new motions that any trustee

[5:17:09] Trustee Luckham: would want to .

[5:17:10] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, I think that what I would like to do

[5:17:12] Trustee Luckham: is to conclude this item of business,

[5:17:17] Trustee Luckham: because certainly whatever other motions there are

[5:17:20] Trustee Luckham: could be whatever they are.

[5:17:23] Trustee Luckham: I don't even know what Trustee Middleton

[5:17:24] Trustee Luckham: or Trustee Rogers' motions are.

[5:17:27] Trustee Luckham: But there is a table motion that I think

[5:17:31] Trustee Luckham: needs to be dealt with at this time.

[5:17:35] Trustee Luckham: And so I need somebody to make a motion

[5:17:42] Trustee Luckham: to return the table motion to the table

[5:17:45] Trustee Luckham: if that's what you want to do and second it.

[5:17:47] Trustee Luckham: Otherwise we'll go with Trustee Middleton

[5:17:50] Trustee Luckham: who has indicated that he's had a motion

[5:17:55] Trustee Luckham: had indicated to us earlier that he wanted to make a motion.

[5:17:59] Trustee Luckham: So is there somebody that wants to take the table motion

[5:18:03] Trustee Luckham: and if we get that up on the screen

[5:18:06] Trustee Luckham: to bring that back before council.

[5:18:11] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Brent, I see your hand up.

[5:18:13] Trustee Luckham: What's your plan?

[5:18:14] Trustee Luckham: Oh, I see Trustee Peterson also,

[5:18:16] Trustee Luckham: but is Trustee Brent,

[5:18:18] Trustee Luckham: what's your pleasure on the table motion?

[5:18:20] Trustee Luckham: motion.

[5:18:23] Voice 3: My pleasure is to

[5:18:24] Voice 3: hear the motion from Trustee

[5:18:26] Voice 3: Middleton. That is my pleasure.

[5:18:30] Voice 3: First.

[5:18:38] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Peterson,

[5:18:40] Trustee Luckham: what was your pleasure? Your hand is up.

[5:18:43] Trustee Luckham: I'm just acknowledging your hand.

[5:18:45] Voice 26: Thank you, Chair.

[5:18:46] Voice 26: I was going to

[5:18:49] Voice 26: bring us back to the table

[5:18:51] Voice 26: motion, and then I just think in terms

[5:18:53] Voice 26: of process, it's more appropriate to

[5:18:55] Voice 26: finish that, and then I would love to hear

[5:18:57] Voice 26: Trustee Middleton's motion

[5:18:59] Voice 26: once we've dealt with this table motion, because

[5:19:01] Voice 26: because it was tabled to a specific time,

[5:19:04] Voice 26: which you have now completed, right?

[5:19:07] Trustee Luckham: Well,

[5:19:07] Voice 26: I believe that that

[5:19:08] Trustee Luckham: is the case.

[5:19:09] Trustee Luckham: So you've got a mover.

[5:19:10] Trustee Luckham: So I've got a

[5:19:11] Trustee Luckham: mover in removing the motion from the table

[5:19:16] Trustee Luckham: and bringing it back before council.

[5:19:17] Trustee Luckham: Do I have a seconder for that?

[5:19:19] Trustee Luckham: And then we will come to Middleton and Rogers.

[5:19:22] Trustee Luckham: Do I have a seconder?

[5:19:24] Trustee Luckham: I'll second, Johnston.

[5:19:28] Trustee Luckham: Johnston, thank you.

[5:19:30] Trustee Luckham: So please bear with me, council.

[5:19:33] Trustee Luckham: We have a motion on the table that the Islands Trust Council

[5:19:39] Trustee Luckham: ask all trustees to share the draft,

[5:19:41] Trustee Luckham: the trust policy statement with their local.

[5:19:44] Trustee Luckham: The

[5:19:44] Voice 21: motion is to bring it back off the table.

[5:19:46] Voice 21: Oh,

[5:19:47] Trustee Luckham: I see, I'm sorry.

[5:19:48] Trustee Luckham: So we need to vote on this.

[5:19:49] Trustee Luckham: And then it's up for a vote.

[5:19:51] Trustee Luckham: Right, thank you.

[5:19:52] Trustee Luckham: So let me vote for returning the table motion to council

[5:19:56] Trustee Luckham: for decision.

[5:19:57] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor?

[5:20:10] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so then including my own vote,

[5:20:12] Trustee Luckham: So that would be 18 or 19 in favor.

[5:20:16] Trustee Luckham: I saw another hand pop up there.

[5:20:19] Trustee Luckham: Please lower your hands

[5:20:20] Trustee Luckham: and I'll ask for those opposed

[5:20:29] Trustee Luckham: to untabling the motion.

[5:20:31] Trustee Luckham: That's Brent and Critchley.

[5:20:34] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[5:20:36] Trustee Luckham: So now we have the motion back on the floor.

[5:20:41] Trustee Luckham: That is the Island Trust Council

[5:20:42] Trustee Luckham: ask all trustees to share

[5:20:43] Trustee Luckham: the draft trust policy statement

[5:20:45] Trustee Luckham: with their local trust area constituents

[5:20:47] Trustee Luckham: between now and September

[5:20:48] Trustee Luckham: asking for feedback to be provided

[5:20:51] Trustee Luckham: to Islands 2050 at islands.bc.ca.

[5:20:54] Trustee Luckham: Is there any further discussion necessary on this motion?

[5:20:57] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Longerice, Bishaykin, Critchley, Scott.

[5:21:03] Trustee Luckham: Go ahead, Trustee Longerice.

[5:21:05] Voice 13: Okay, yeah, yeah, I'm in support of the motion.

[5:21:07] Voice 13: One of the questions I've got is when would we,

[5:21:10] Voice 13: well, I guess it really depends

[5:21:11] Voice 13: on whether we're going to amend this draft now or not,

[5:21:17] Voice 13: or we're just going to take it out as is the other aspect is that when we take it out to the

[5:21:22] Voice 13: community we're going to have to really understand what is in this bylaw and what has changed

[5:21:29] Voice 13: not just provide the information i think we need to each individually are going to have to really

[5:21:35] Voice 13: analyze it and and come up with an understanding as to what is actually occurring otherwise we're

[5:21:40] Voice 13: just going to create confusion so i'm but i'm in support of it so

[5:21:45] Trustee Luckham: i i agree with your comment there

[5:21:46] Trustee Luckham: that we do

[5:21:47] Trustee Luckham: need to understand it, advancing it.

[5:21:49] Trustee Luckham: So thank you, Trustee Boucher from Critchley-Scott.

[5:21:54] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, I'm glad we're looking at this again.

[5:21:57] Trustee Busheikin: And I still have similar concerns I raised last time.

[5:22:01] Trustee Busheikin: I conceptually agree that trustees,

[5:22:05] Trustee Busheikin: it's great to be active

[5:22:06] Trustee Busheikin: and take this out to community members

[5:22:08] Trustee Busheikin: and we know how to reach people on our islands.

[5:22:11] Trustee Busheikin: But I still think that this, to me, I read this

[5:22:14] Trustee Busheikin: Senate, it seems to be inviting an approach that could be full of inconsistencies. And

[5:22:23] Trustee Busheikin: yeah, I think that's the main thing, inconsistencies from island to island.

[5:22:28] Trustee Busheikin: And so in confusion is a term I just heard. I agree. So I mean, I don't know if it can be a

[5:22:34] Trustee Busheikin: Friendly Amendment, I would like to add the words perhaps after constituents as part of a

[5:22:44] Trustee Busheikin: comprehensive consultation plan that, as part of a comprehensive consultation plan and supported by

[5:22:53] Trustee Busheikin: contextual material created by staff. I just think that's really, really important and we want it

[5:23:00] Trustee Busheikin: to be clear to us and our constituents that this is what's going to be happening point of order so

[5:23:09] Trustee Busheikin: can that be a friendly amendment i'm also willing to put it on the um put it out as a an actual

[5:23:16] Trustee Busheikin: amendment as a motion thank

[5:23:17] Trustee Luckham: you i heard a point of order yeah

[5:23:19] Trustee Morrison: it would have to be an actual

[5:23:21] Trustee Morrison: amendment because that's uh more involved and different than than the intent of this motion

[5:23:27] Trustee Luckham: Right. So thank you. So I want to ask the potential mover whether or not that's just really necessary.

[5:23:33] Trustee Luckham: I think there's a pretty good understanding of what the expectation here is from the conversation we've had today.

[5:23:38] Trustee Luckham: So I want you to consider that carefully. But I'll ask you if you want to make an amendment to the motion.

[5:23:45] Trustee Busheikin: I would because I would like to have the discussion.

[5:23:49] Trustee Busheikin: So I move that the motion on the table be amended

[5:23:54] Trustee Busheikin: by adding the words,

[5:23:58] Trustee Busheikin: as part of a comprehensive consultation plan

[5:24:09] Trustee Busheikin: and supported by contextual material created by staff

[5:24:22] Trustee Busheikin: after the word constituents.

[5:24:30] Trustee Luckham: Okay, is that clear to everybody, the amendment?

[5:24:34] Trustee Luckham: I'll ask if there's a seconder for the amendment,

[5:24:37] Trustee Luckham: seconded by Sue Ellen Fast.

[5:24:43] Trustee Luckham: Discussion, I'm presuming you don't need to speak

[5:24:46] Trustee Luckham: to it further, Trustee Bishakin.

[5:24:49] Trustee Busheikin: I only will add when I say contextual material,

[5:24:51] Trustee Busheikin: it may be primarily material that already exists,

[5:24:54] Trustee Busheikin: maybe with a little bit added.

[5:24:58] Trustee Busheikin: So it's not necessarily a huge job for staff.

[5:25:02] Trustee Luckham: Great, thank you.

[5:25:03] Trustee Luckham: so trustee johnson and patrick and alan on the motion to amend the motion i

[5:25:12] Voice 4: speak against the

[5:25:13] Voice 4: amendment this is very simple it's asking us to present the draft to our constituents tell them

[5:25:19] Voice 4: where to find it and ask them to respond to it individually of course there'll be inconsistencies

[5:25:25] Voice 4: there has been in all the feedback we've received so far uh it's very simple it doesn't take

[5:25:31] Voice 4: make trustees to interpret or respond or explain or even to understand what the draft says. It just

[5:25:40] Voice 4: says show it to people, tell people where to find it, and ask them to respond to the email address

[5:25:46] Voice 4: or the mail address if that's not possible. Thank you. Thank you,

[5:25:51] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Johnson. Trustee Patrick

[5:25:52] Trustee Luckham: Critchley-Colburn.

[5:25:56] Trustee Patrick: I mean, for the last two weeks I have been meeting with constituents and I can't

[5:26:01] Trustee Patrick: put in publicly should say what some of them have said um there's a lot of anger there's a lot of

[5:26:08] Trustee Patrick: issues we're heading into the summer and um while i agree that it has to be a part of a comprehensive

[5:26:15] Trustee Patrick: consultation plan trying to get this done before september it's just going to be um insane um so

[5:26:25] Trustee Patrick: i'm going to vote against both the amendment and the original motion okay

[5:26:31] Trustee Luckham: thank you trustee patrick

[5:26:32] Trustee Luckham: uh kitchley colburn scott i'd love to call the vote after that thank

[5:26:39] Trustee Critchley: you thank you uh i likewise

[5:26:42] Trustee Critchley: i'm against the amendment and i'm against the original motion uh as well so i might as well

[5:26:47] Trustee Critchley: just make that clear so i'm not going to speak twice on it uh i think we have a cart and horse

[5:26:53] Trustee Critchley: issue here. And by just going out willy-nilly and sharing something, even with some staff

[5:27:06] Trustee Critchley: documentation, I don't see that as serving really a useful purpose, unless we tell people,

[5:27:11] Trustee Critchley: look, this is just a heads up. Here's some material for you to consider until we actually

[5:27:18] Trustee Critchley: get our consultation meeting, presuming that we're going to have a meeting on Denman Island,

[5:27:25] Trustee Critchley: a community meeting to discuss it. Because if we encourage people to be sending off

[5:27:31] Trustee Critchley: feedback before they've actually had the introduction and a proper community discussion

[5:27:38] Trustee Critchley: about it, what is the point of that? Or alternatively, what's the point of having

[5:27:45] Trustee Critchley: a community discussion after we've encouraged people to do that. It just seems to me this is

[5:27:50] Trustee Critchley: just totally confusing the issue. And we need to wait until we've got this comprehensive

[5:27:55] Trustee Critchley: consultation plan out. And that consultation plan should include mechanisms for getting this

[5:28:02] Trustee Critchley: material to our constituents, both email, of course, or website references, but also by

[5:28:12] Trustee Critchley: by mailing out to people who are not computer savvy.

[5:28:17] Trustee Critchley: So that's where I'm coming from.

[5:28:20] Trustee Critchley: This is just going to be a mess.

[5:28:23] Trustee Critchley: And the date too, sorry.

[5:28:25] Trustee Critchley: The date is just too soon to be giving back feedback

[5:28:30] Trustee Critchley: September in this way.

[5:28:32] Trustee Critchley: It's going to be useless.

[5:28:33] Trustee Critchley: We need to have informed discussion and consultation

[5:28:38] Trustee Critchley: and then people can make smart recommendations.

[5:28:41] Trustee Critchley: recommendations. Thanks.

[5:28:44] Voice 22: Thank you. Trustee Coburn, Trustee Scott.

[5:28:52] Voice 35: I believe we just passed

[5:28:53] Voice 35: a motion saying we're going to refer it to local trust committees. So it's going to be in the

[5:28:57] Voice 35: community, right? So, you know, if I look at this and the trust council is asking me to do this,

[5:29:02] Voice 35: you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to do a Twitch stream. You don't know what Twitch is.

[5:29:05] Voice 35: That's okay. The people on Twitch don't know what Facebook is. It's going to be the most boring

[5:29:09] Voice 35: Twitch stream of all time. I'm going to read the entire policy statement, but it's an attempt to

[5:29:12] Voice 35: to get at younger generations who aren't in the spaces

[5:29:16] Voice 35: that you're all talking about.

[5:29:18] Voice 35: So I'm gonna vote against this.

[5:29:20] Voice 35: I appreciate the idea.

[5:29:21] Voice 35: It's important that we bring this into our community.

[5:29:23] Voice 35: It's been referred to local trust committees

[5:29:25] Voice 35: and that's where you're gonna have the notes taken

[5:29:28] Voice 35: and that's where we can feed it back into a process.

[5:29:31] Voice 35: Thank you very much for the intent of the motion

[5:29:33] Voice 35: but I'm not for the amendment on the motion itself.

[5:29:35] Voice 35: Thank you.

[5:29:35] Voice 35: So on the amendment to the motion,

[5:29:37] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Scott, and then I'm gonna call the vote.

[5:29:47] Trustee Luckham: Are you there, Trustee Scott?

[5:29:48] Trustee Luckham: got? Well, I'm guessing not. Sorry,

[5:29:56] Trustee Scott: sorry. I'm sorry. Can you hold off a second? Yeah.

[5:30:02] Trustee Scott: so me sending 37 pages out to the people on hornby island no we i need a summary i need

[5:30:09] Trustee Scott: something that i can take out to them a concise document nope i can't i can't even figure out

[5:30:14] Trustee Scott: how many people are going to go to the timeline thing i agree with laura july and august on

[5:30:19] Trustee Scott: you're not going to get any response at all so the notion of i'm getting something by september

[5:30:24] Trustee Scott: and i think that's just realistic so i'll be voting against thank you thank

[5:30:30] Trustee Luckham: you trustee scott

[5:30:33] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Ben McConkie.

[5:30:35] Trustee McConchie: Pretty quickly, I think we need to take responsibility

[5:30:39] Trustee McConchie: for this document.

[5:30:41] Trustee McConchie: And I think we need to go into our community

[5:30:43] Trustee McConchie: as our local trust committees.

[5:30:46] Trustee McConchie: And I think we need to do that as efficiently as possible.

[5:30:49] Trustee McConchie: I think a successful consultation will be to go

[5:30:54] Trustee McConchie: to our community meetings, community information meetings

[5:30:57] Trustee McConchie: and encourage people to read the document

[5:30:59] Trustee McConchie: and give feedback to Islands 2050 at islandstrust.bc.ca

[5:31:03] Trustee McConchie: for those that don't live on the islands are part-timers.

[5:31:06] Trustee McConchie: Thank you.

[5:31:07] Trustee McConchie: I'm in support of the motion.

[5:31:09] Trustee McConchie: Thank you.

[5:31:10] Trustee McConchie: So

[5:31:10] Trustee Luckham: on the amendment to the motion,

[5:31:14] Trustee Luckham: we can talk about this all evening,

[5:31:17] Trustee Luckham: but let's go to Trustee Wright,

[5:31:21] Trustee Luckham: where you, do you lower your hand or do you want to speak?

[5:31:27] Voice 30: Well, I'm getting a little confused

[5:31:29] Voice 30: because on the one hand,

[5:31:30] Voice 30: I'm hearing that people are complaining

[5:31:32] Voice 30: complaining that staff has been involved in this,

[5:31:33] Voice 30: and now I'm hearing that they want them involved.

[5:31:35] Voice 30: I'm hearing people say we've got to go out to the community,

[5:31:38] Voice 30: and now we're making excuses why we shouldn't go out

[5:31:40] Voice 30: or have to get out, but we've got to get it through.

[5:31:44] Voice 30: We don't want to rush, and yet we're trying to hit deadlines.

[5:31:47] Voice 30: This is really confusing everybody that's watching this,

[5:31:51] Voice 30: unless I'm totally losing my mind,

[5:31:53] Voice 30: and I won't scratch that off the possibility list.

[5:31:56] Voice 30: But I think it is the responsibility of LTCs and trustees

[5:32:01] Voice 30: universities in whatever way we keep telling people that we know our communities best well

[5:32:06] Voice 30: if you know your communities best then find the ways and means of getting the message out there

[5:32:11] Voice 30: and talking to people if they can't respond at least get them the information so they can start

[5:32:15] Voice 30: thinking about it because i think right now the biggest desire for the people in our communities

[5:32:21] Voice 30: is to get some accurate information and we need to get that out to them immediately thanks so much

[5:32:27] Voice 30: thank you so

[5:32:29] Trustee Luckham: no more speakers on the list i'm going to call for the vote on the amendment to

[5:32:33] Trustee Luckham: the motion all those in favor of the amendment to the motion please raise your hand on the amendment

[5:32:42] Trustee Luckham: to the motion please raise your hand okay so i'm seeing six hands up and i'm not seeing any hands

[5:32:57] Trustee Luckham: up on the screen and so i'm going to ask for those you lower your hands and those opposed

[5:33:03] Trustee Luckham: So I'd say that's 17, 18 opposed.

[5:33:16] Trustee Luckham: And so that fails.

[5:33:18] Trustee Luckham: So that returns us to the original motion

[5:33:21] Trustee Luckham: and I'll get you all to lower your hands.

[5:33:24] Trustee Luckham: And I would like to call the vote on the original motion.

[5:33:29] Trustee Luckham: Unamended original motion.

[5:33:32] Trustee Luckham: All those in favor of the motion on the screen before you.

[5:33:38] Trustee Luckham: While those hands are coming up,

[5:33:40] Trustee Luckham: I'll just for the public

[5:33:41] Trustee Luckham: that the islands trust council ask all trustees to share the draft trust policy statement with

[5:33:47] Trustee Luckham: their local trust area constituents between now and september asking for feedback to be provided

[5:33:52] Trustee Luckham: to islands by 50 islands trust wc.ca so those opposed are looks like uh 10 11 sorry

[5:34:02] Trustee Luckham: I got myself lost there in favor is uh 11 12 13 uh in favor and now I will call I got you

[5:34:13] Trustee Luckham: trustee Thorne and now I'll ask for uh you to lower your hands and those opposed and so that's

[5:34:29] Trustee Luckham: nine opposed so i believe that carries sorry

[5:34:35] Trustee Busheikin: um excuse me sir this is a point of order and maybe

[5:34:38] Trustee Busheikin: there's nothing i can do about it but i just had a glitch and everything froze and now i'm just

[5:34:43] Trustee Busheikin: back again um so whatever we just voted on i wasn't part of is there anything we can do about

[5:34:49] Trustee Busheikin: Well,

[5:34:50] Trustee Luckham: let me see if I don't even know where we're at.

[5:34:55] Trustee Luckham: Well, we had 13 in favor, nine against, it carries.

[5:35:01] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, so nevermind

[5:35:03] Trustee Busheikin: because my vote wouldn't make any difference.

[5:35:06] Trustee Luckham: Well, every vote counts, but-

[5:35:08] Trustee Luckham: Well, yes.

[5:35:10] Trustee Luckham: So thank you.

[5:35:11] Trustee Luckham: So now trustees at this time here,

[5:35:17] Trustee Luckham: here, which is now 1235, 235.

[5:35:23] Trustee Luckham: There was an indication from two trustees

[5:35:25] Trustee Luckham: that they had some motions.

[5:35:26] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Middleton has a motion

[5:35:28] Trustee Luckham: and Trustee Rogers has a motion.

[5:35:30] Trustee Luckham: I also have a motion.

[5:35:33] Voice 4: Johnston, I gave notice of it.

[5:35:36] Trustee Luckham: Okay, so you have a notice to amend.

[5:35:39] Trustee Luckham: And I think there's a couple of other notices to amend.

[5:35:42] Trustee Luckham: So I think I'm obligated to ask council here at 236

[5:35:50] Trustee Luckham: um we can have a motion to adjourn and we can vote on it or we can have a motion to stay

[5:35:58] Trustee Luckham: and and keep on going um let's just say that from my knowledge there's probably four motions out

[5:36:04] Trustee Luckham: there two of which might be amendments and two are some other actions and what's the pleasure

[5:36:10] Trustee Luckham: of council i move adjournment i

[5:36:16] Trustee Allen: think we should be listening to middleton's motion we mentioned

[5:36:21] Trustee Allen: that earlier and now it's once again it's being shuffled to the side i agree i'm not leaving i

[5:36:25] Trustee Allen: want

[5:36:26] Voice 3: to hear from middleton

[5:36:27] Voice 3: yes

[5:36:28] Voice 34: middleton middleton i agree five minute break

[5:36:34] Voice 16: why not roger there was

[5:36:39] Voice 16: a motion to adjourn that kind of got i'll

[5:36:45] Trustee Critchley: withdraw that okay let's really all

[5:36:51] Trustee Middleton: right maybe i'll give

[5:36:51] Trustee Middleton: you this before break if that's what happens but otherwise i'm hoping it's not somewhat reflects

[5:36:58] Trustee Middleton: the work that's been done you're

[5:37:07] Voice 10: muted lay thanks

[5:37:10] Trustee Middleton: yep knowing that the draft

[5:37:12] Trustee Middleton: policy statement has been received and modified the motion to simply read

[5:37:17] Trustee Middleton: direct executive to develop a comprehensive plan including budgetary

[5:37:21] Trustee Middleton: requirements for consultation of island residents and stakeholders on the draft

[5:37:26] Trustee Middleton: policy statement has received as well as a plan to manage document changes the

[5:37:31] Trustee Middleton: consultation plan will be reviewed and approved if appropriate by Trust Council

[5:37:34] Trustee Middleton: So I did September, 2021 meeting.

[5:37:38] Trustee Middleton: Trustee

[5:37:39] Trustee Luckham: Middleton, I apologize.

[5:37:42] Trustee Luckham: Our microphone was not turned on here.

[5:37:43] Trustee Luckham: I was suggesting we have a five minute break

[5:37:45] Trustee Luckham: to clear our heads a little bit.

[5:37:48] Trustee Luckham: And I'm gonna ask you,

[5:37:49] Trustee Luckham: have you emailed that motion to Lori Foster?

[5:37:53] Trustee Middleton: Yes, I have, yeah.

[5:37:55] Trustee Luckham: Right, so if it's all right with council,

[5:38:01] Trustee Luckham: can we just get that motion up on the screen?

[5:38:03] Trustee Luckham: let's recess for five minutes come back fill up your water glasses and then we will proceed

[5:38:09] Voice 3: accordingly

[5:38:10] Trustee Luckham: I'll

[5:38:11] Voice 3: second that motion by the way chair it's trustee Brent and can I put something

[5:38:15] Voice 3: other than water in my glass you can do whatever

[5:38:18] Trustee Luckham: you wish thank

[5:38:20] Voice 3: you juice

[5:38:23] Voice 10: is good if you're speaking

[5:45:28] Voice 11: speaking chair we can't hear you we can't hear you

[5:45:44] Voice 11: peter peter yes

[5:45:49] Trustee Luckham: uh we're well aware of that

[5:45:52] Trustee Luckham: we're trying to get some stuff up on the screen for you to assist you in your decision making

[5:45:57] Trustee Luckham: um we have a question here about the previous motion and that this motion is uh you know for

[5:46:07] Trustee Luckham: there's different language one can use negates his counter or is in opposition to a motion that

[5:46:13] that

[5:46:13] Trustee Luckham: you have already carried,

[5:46:14] Trustee Luckham: which is the motion about receiving the draft

[5:46:18] Trustee Luckham: and forwarding to other agencies.

[5:46:20] Trustee Luckham: There's also a problem with the motion from,

[5:46:25] Trustee Luckham: thank you,

[5:46:27] Trustee Luckham: thank you,

[5:46:30] Trustee Luckham: Laurie Foster for bringing both of the motions

[5:46:33] Trustee Luckham: up on the screen, although not,

[5:46:38] Trustee Luckham: yeah, so at the top there is the original motion

[5:46:40] Trustee Luckham: and the bottom is the new motion from Trustee Middleton.

[5:46:45] Trustee Luckham: And maybe we can just get a label on that.

[5:46:48] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[5:46:49] Trustee Luckham: There, we have some concerns with the language

[5:46:52] Trustee Luckham: in the Middleton motion outside of it possibly being

[5:46:54] Trustee Luckham: in conflict that it's for consultation

[5:46:58] Trustee Luckham: of Island residents and stakeholders.

[5:47:01] Trustee Luckham: I would just say that First Nations is not a stakeholder.

[5:47:06] Trustee Luckham: First Nations are First Nations

[5:47:07] Trustee Luckham: is what i've been led to believe and i'm not speaking on their behalf in any way shape or form

[5:47:14] Trustee Luckham: but if we're if we're doing any including budgetary requirements for consultation um then that needs

[5:47:22] Trustee Luckham: to be more comprehensive than that but i am concerned about a conflict here with a motion

[5:47:27] Trustee Luckham: that council has already um moved and carried and i'm not sure other than where to go with this

[5:47:39] Trustee Luckham: other than to rule it out of order and i apologize for even thinking about that but that's the

[5:47:45] Trustee Luckham: the dilemma and the challenge of the chair to figure out how to proceed with the business

[5:47:51] Trustee Luckham: i'll maybe turn to the mover and ask you about any remarks that you might have

[5:47:58] Trustee Luckham: with respect to that conflict that we've already received a new draft policy statement and have

[5:48:10] Trustee Luckham: I've requested that the policy statement be referred

[5:48:12] Trustee Luckham: to the First Nations, Bohonai, the municipality,

[5:48:16] Trustee Luckham: local trust committees, et cetera.

[5:48:20] Trustee Middleton: Trustee Middleton.

[5:48:21] Trustee Middleton: Sure, yeah, thank you.

[5:48:23] Trustee Middleton: And this is perhaps a procedural error

[5:48:26] Trustee Middleton: that I'll take responsibility for either.

[5:48:28] Trustee Middleton: This would be deemed a secondary motion

[5:48:30] Trustee Middleton: to one of those that now precedes it

[5:48:33] Trustee Middleton: and should have been placed for consideration

[5:48:37] Trustee Middleton: during that discussion.

[5:48:38] Trustee Middleton: And obviously we now find ourselves in this quandary.

[5:48:42] Trustee Middleton: And so, in terms of First Nations, I'm absolutely happy to add First Nations.

[5:48:48] Trustee Middleton: I didn't want to presuppose any other ongoing First Nations consultation, but I'm happy to add that in there.

[5:48:56] Trustee Middleton: As far as the previous motion goes, I guess the only way to proceed is would be a motion to rescind,

[5:49:03] Trustee Middleton: which would require a two-thirds majority of council, which might not be achievable right now.

[5:49:10] Trustee Middleton: so um yeah i'm not sure how else we can proceed at this juncture okay

[5:49:16] Trustee Luckham: so um i i guess my question

[5:49:22] Trustee Luckham: would be is what is different in this motion um compared to the a motion that has already been

[5:49:28] Trustee Luckham: carried that is substantive enough and could the whatever it is that's substantive could that be

[5:49:35] Trustee Luckham: proposed as a separate motion and at this time of the day i don't know that we want to be massaging

[5:49:42] Trustee Luckham: a motion to that extent i do note that you are suggesting including budgetary requirements

[5:49:48] Trustee Luckham: and if i'm not mistaken trustee rogers is planning on making a motion to address the budgetary

[5:49:54] Trustee Luckham: requirements of preparing us for a comprehensive consultation which is what we've been talking

[5:50:02] Trustee Luckham: about all along here i'm

[5:50:07] Trustee Middleton: sure except i i know with respect that that is nowhere defined it's

[5:50:11] Trustee Middleton: not defined in any of the previous motions and we've not seen any details around it so

[5:50:17] Trustee Middleton: i'm uh you know in absence of seeing trustee rogers motion maybe he doesn't indeed put forward

[5:50:22] Trustee Middleton: that the consultation be defined so that it can then be budgeted in which case maybe his motion

[5:50:28] Trustee Middleton: can do the work that i propose here so i'd be open to hearing it okay

[5:50:36] Trustee Luckham: let's hear trustee rogers then

[5:50:38] Trustee Rogers: it's not it's not it doesn't do what trustee millington thinks it's going

[5:50:43] Trustee Rogers: i mean i look look laurie you can put it up if you like

[5:50:49] Trustee Rogers: it just it just authorizes up to a certain amount of dollars to

[5:51:02] Trustee Rogers: allow us to figure out our consultation plan to fund

[5:51:08] Voice 10: the consultation plan correct yeah because

[5:51:11] Voice 10: as we've talked about.

[5:51:15] Voice 10: And

[5:51:15] Trustee Luckham: council has already directed staff

[5:51:18] Trustee Luckham: to develop that plan for executive committee

[5:51:22] Trustee Luckham: in a previous motion.

[5:51:24] Voice 22: Right.

[5:51:26] Trustee Luckham: So thank you.

[5:51:27] Trustee Luckham: So, you know, this is rather unorthodox.

[5:51:31] Trustee Luckham: But Trustee Middleton, your motion, you moved it.

[5:51:38] Trustee Luckham: We didn't get to see it up on the screen.

[5:51:40] Trustee Luckham: There was a seconding there,

[5:51:42] Trustee Luckham: but i don't know that anybody knew what was being seconded at that time so trustee middleton are you

[5:51:48] Trustee Luckham: interested in pursuing this do you want to bring this back in some fashion in some other way

[5:51:53] Trustee Luckham: you know i don't know how to proceed other than ruling it out of order at this time

[5:52:01] Trustee Middleton: sure i mean i guess um if one of the previous motions asks for a plan to be defined um

[5:52:07] Trustee Middleton: Um, that will be at the September meeting. So that wasn't me, by the way. I'm not in. That

[5:52:21] Trustee Luckham: was me. I apologize. It's my phone.

[5:52:27] Trustee Middleton: Okay, um, uh, yeah, I mean, at this juncture, if there is a plan that will be produced and we can see it in September, um, I guess through a collection of motions, we're getting to the same point. I wanted to with this motion.

[5:52:41] Trustee Middleton: So I guess on that basis, I'll have to withdraw it.

[5:52:46] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much, Trustee Middleton.

[5:52:49] Trustee Luckham: Really, really do appreciate your offer there

[5:52:53] Trustee Luckham: because there is direction to create a plan.

[5:52:56] Trustee Luckham: The timing is certainly as soon as we can.

[5:53:03] Trustee Luckham: This is obviously of import to everybody,

[5:53:05] Trustee Luckham: but we would do a plan.

[5:53:08] Trustee Luckham: trustee rogers motion will help us with providing some direction and absolutely

[5:53:15] Trustee Luckham: believable consulting with council every step of the way so i'll take that then that you're

[5:53:22] Trustee Luckham: withdrawing that motion thank you trustee middleton and

[5:53:25] Trustee Rogers: now let's go to

[5:53:26] Trustee Luckham: trustee rogers motion

[5:53:28] Trustee Rogers: sorry briefly so um i i'll read it the trust council proven additional transfer of 75 000

[5:53:35] Trustee Rogers: dollars from the general uh actually i'll add the words up to 75 000 from the general revenue

[5:53:42] Trustee Rogers: surplus fund in fiscal 2021-22 for enhanced community and first nations engagement on

[5:53:48] Trustee Rogers: the draft new policy statement subject to approval of the revised engagement project

[5:53:52] Trustee Rogers: charter by trust council uh so but we i just trying to provide us with some parameters of

[5:54:00] Trustee Rogers: what kind of money we might have available to us to spend rather than come in blind

[5:54:05] Trustee Rogers: So I

[5:54:05] Trustee Luckham: think that's an opportunity to do some work.

[5:54:08] Trustee Luckham: So is there a seconder?

[5:54:13] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Langerheis has seconded the motion.

[5:54:16] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Trustee Langerheis.

[5:54:17] Trustee Luckham: Who's to speak to it further, Trustee Rogers?

[5:54:19] Trustee Rogers: I'll just add the context.

[5:54:21] Trustee Rogers: If you go back to the June Trust Council,

[5:54:23] Trustee Rogers: there's a report which we considered

[5:54:25] Trustee Rogers: related to the proposal for the electronic meetings.

[5:54:33] Trustee Rogers: And in that, we had an estimate at that time

[5:54:36] Trustee Rogers: uh that that the excess over the minimum surplus at the end of 21 22 and of course that's an

[5:54:43] Trustee Rogers: estimate uh was about 250 to 280 000 i've talked to the director julia mobs about this and she

[5:54:52] Trustee Rogers: indicates that uh that's probably about right now still based on current figures um and at least

[5:55:01] Trustee Rogers: that's my understanding um and that uh that as a result i i think this is exactly what these kinds

[5:55:08] Trustee Rogers: of those funds should be used for i'm not in favor of using them for ongoing expenses but i do think

[5:55:13] Trustee Rogers: these bigger more important engagement type processes uh require it i don't know what the

[5:55:19] Trustee Rogers: plan is going to look like but i want to make sure it's well resourced and we have the kind

[5:55:23] Trustee Rogers: of expertise and and advice that we need

[5:55:26] Voice 22: thank you trustee rogers

[5:55:28] Trustee Rogers: so speakers

[5:55:29] Trustee Luckham: on the motion

[5:55:30] Trustee Luckham: I see Trustee Brent and Wright.

[5:55:35] Voice 3: I just want to say I'm in absolute full support.

[5:55:38] Voice 3: We have sufficient funds and all likelihood

[5:55:42] Voice 3: it'll be more than that $280,000

[5:55:45] Voice 3: as we traditionally never end up using the entire surplus

[5:55:49] Voice 3: that we budget for.

[5:55:50] Voice 3: So yeah, full support.

[5:55:51] Voice 3: This is appropriate, done.

[5:55:54] Voice 3: Thank you.

[5:55:55] Trustee Luckham: Thank you Trustee Brent.

[5:55:56] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Wright.

[5:55:58] Voice 30: Yeah, I'm going to support this motion.

[5:56:01] Voice 30: I just one question what does the word additional mean or is it even necessary or was there a

[5:56:07] Voice 30: previous transfer

[5:56:08] Trustee Rogers: well yeah because sorry I can explain that because there currently is

[5:56:13] Trustee Rogers: I'm going to say about $25,000 in the budget remaining for engagement but it's pretty clear

[5:56:21] Trustee Rogers: that the engagement that had been proposed is not going to satisfy trust council given

[5:56:26] Trustee Rogers: everything we've heard so I think it's the additional funds that might be necessary

[5:56:30] Trustee Rogers: sorry yeah

[5:56:32] Trustee Morrison: that's accurate trustee rogers it's about 20 000 or so in the current budget okay

[5:56:37] Trustee Luckham: thank you very much trustee wright and whomever others voice that was and um you're losing trustee

[5:56:45] Trustee Luckham: brent so again you're losing trustee brent yeah i'm getting

[5:56:48] Trustee Luckham: to that so we're about to lose one

[5:56:50] Trustee Luckham: or more trustees at three o'clock here so um i i would like to call the vote on this one i'm

[5:56:55] Trustee Luckham: trusting trustee brent your hand is down thank you and so i'm going to call the vote all those

[5:57:00] Trustee Luckham: in favor of the motion on your screen that trust council approve an additional transfer up to 75

[5:57:05] Trustee Luckham: 000 from the general revenue surplus fund in fiscal 2021-22 for enhanced community and first

[5:57:11] Trustee Luckham: nations engagement on the drafting policy statement subject to approval of the revised

[5:57:15] Trustee Luckham: engagement project chartered by just council so i am seeing including on the screen 23

[5:57:22] Trustee Luckham: three members in favor so i'll ask you to lower your hands and ask for any opposed

[5:57:37] Trustee Luckham: none opposed so that must mean that was unanimous council thank you very much

[5:57:42] Trustee Luckham: council i think it's impractical uh given that we're an hour overtime and trustees are running

[5:57:49] Trustee Luckham: up against hard stops here for us to consider amendments at this time there's no doubt the

[5:57:54] Trustee Luckham: executive committee will think about that we certainly it's certainly clear some intentions

[5:57:59] Trustee Luckham: um there may be another special meeting coming to you soon who knows so uh council if there's

[5:58:06] Trustee Luckham: no further business today i would ask for an adjournment a motion to adjourn so moved

[5:58:12] Trustee Luckham: moved by kale seconded by bushaken all those in favor that does carry and council i want to from

[5:58:24] Trustee Luckham: from the bottom of my heart, thank you.

[5:58:26] Trustee Luckham: I appreciate your patience with me as your chair.

[5:58:29] Trustee Luckham: These are difficult, challenging, meeting logistics,

[5:58:34] Trustee Luckham: and thank you for the opportunity to rise to the challenge

[5:58:38] Trustee Luckham: and I hope I've served you well.

[5:58:39] Trustee Luckham: So have a good evening and we'll all be in touch soon.

[5:58:43] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, chair, excellent job.

[5:58:46] Trustee Luckham: Thank you all.

[5:58:48] Voice 10: Thanks, everyone,

[5:58:49] Trustee Rogers: thanks.

[5:58:51] Trustee Rogers: Enjoy your summer, you too.

[5:58:52] Trustee Rogers: Thank you, you guys.

[5:58:54] Trustee Rogers: David I want to join you in whatever field that is you're in so yeah