Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, July 15, 2021

[0:00:00] Voice 15: I just want to say

[0:00:01] Voice 15: it seems

[0:00:02] Voice 5: superfluous but overall the main point is very well very consistent

[0:00:26] Trustee Luckham: okay we're still waiting for Peter to grow yes

[0:00:33] Voice 7: I don't have anything in my emails

[0:00:36] Voice 7: from Peter oh there we go I

[0:00:42] Trustee Luckham: just saw him pop up there you go chair Leckham just

[0:00:45] Trustee Luckham: so you Peter

[0:00:46] Trustee Luckham: just

[0:00:46] Voice 7: so you note I am your minute taker so if you have any minuting questions I will be responding

[0:00:52] Voice 7: to them. So, yeah, just so you know.

[0:00:59] Trustee Luckham: Okay, great. Thank you, Rob. It looks like we have the trustees

[0:01:06] Trustee Luckham: here, and we have quite a number of other people from the AAPC and the Ag Alliance, I think. And

[0:01:15] Trustee Luckham: is there anybody that anybody realizes is missing from the meeting that wasn't planning to attend?

[0:01:21] Trustee Luckham: attend?

[0:01:23] Voice 13: I know John Steinemann, one of the advisors for the Agriculture Committee,

[0:01:35] Voice 13: has said he'll be here. You mean this guy? There he is. Good.

[0:01:46] Trustee Luckham: Excellent. Thank you. So then I think, Ben, I'll assume that everybody that's planning to attend

[0:01:51] Trustee Luckham: is here and certainly we'd welcome any that come in a little bit late. Just for my benefit and

[0:01:58] Trustee Luckham: audience that's watching perhaps well I'll just call the meeting to order and recognize that

[0:02:08] Trustee Luckham: we're meeting in Coast Salish Territory and I'm grateful for that. These are

[0:02:17] Trustee Luckham: well these are times that we will remember this certainly our hearts and go out to the First

[0:02:23] Trustee Luckham: Nations and the communities with respect to the findings across the province across the nation

[0:02:28] Trustee Luckham: about finding children and just share that with you and just ask at this point approval of agenda

[0:02:38] Trustee Luckham: and then I'll do ask for introductions is there anything that we need to add or remove from the

[0:02:45] Trustee Luckham: agenda from anybody trustee Patrick

[0:02:48] Trustee Patrick: Lisa Wilcox had offered to arrange a future meeting with the

[0:02:55] Trustee Patrick: community on reconciliation so we could discuss possible

[0:03:00] Trustee Luckham: that is 3.5 future meeting regarding

[0:03:09] Trustee Luckham: regarding what would you like to use for topic?

[0:03:15] Trustee Patrick: Probably just reconciliation, I guess, sir.

[0:03:18] Trustee Patrick: Okay,

[0:03:20] Trustee Luckham: thank you.

[0:03:22] Trustee Luckham: Anything else?

[0:03:24] Trustee Luckham: No, then I'm going to then ask by general consent

[0:03:29] Trustee Luckham: that we adopt the agenda as amended.

[0:03:32] Trustee Luckham: And let's start off with a round table of introductions.

[0:03:38] Trustee Luckham: introductions. And I'm just going to actually see if my list here might be in alphabetical order or

[0:03:47] Trustee Luckham: something, but not necessarily. So I'm just going to use my list here, which is in unusual order,

[0:03:53] Trustee Luckham: probably time of calling. But maybe I'll just introduce, to start off with staff member Rob

[0:04:00] Trustee Luckham: Pringle. He's our host today and is also doing our minutes for us. And then I see Brent, do you want

[0:04:07] Trustee Luckham: to introduce yourself?

[0:04:08] Voice 13: Oh sure, I'll just keep it short. I'm a landscape ecologist and environmental

[0:04:14] Voice 13: planner. I grew up between Central Saanich and Salts Brain, did the original conservation plans

[0:04:20] Voice 13: for Mount Tuam and Mount Maxwell only 40 years ago. And I think a lot about agriculture, mostly

[0:04:28] Voice 13: mostly small-scale involving trees, ways to support that, and I'm actively farming at

[0:04:37] Voice 13: the south end. Thanks.

[0:04:40] Trustee Luckham: Thank you very much, Brent. Next on my list is Trustee Grove. Do you want to say hi?

[0:04:45] Trustee Grove: I do indeed. It's so good to be here, and thank you all for taking the time to meet

[0:04:50] Trustee Grove: with us, and looking forward to a valuable and worthwhile discussion. Thank you.

[0:04:56] Trustee Luckham: And Anne Macy.

[0:04:59] Voice 2: Yes, I'm the current president of the Agricultural Alliance

[0:05:03] Voice 2: and the chair of Iron Natural Growers.

[0:05:07] Voice 2: I'm also the president of the Avatar Society,

[0:05:11] Voice 2: but I don't actually farm myself anymore,

[0:05:13] Voice 2: though I used to some many years ago.

[0:05:16] Voice 2: But I'd also just like to take this opportunity right now

[0:05:19] Voice 2: before I forget to thank Laura for her article

[0:05:22] Voice 2: in the Driftwood this week

[0:05:25] Voice 2: and the recognition of the letter that we sent to Trust Council. Thank you.

[0:05:31] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Anne. Brian Webster is next on my list.

[0:05:38] Voice 4: Brian Webster. I'm a full-time farmer on Salt Spring Island. I represent the Community Market

[0:05:45] Voice 4: Society on the board of the Agricultural Alliance, which is what brings me here.

[0:05:51] Trustee Luckham: Thank you. And I think Conrad Pilon is next.

[0:05:57] Voice 9: Conrad Pilon. I'm a member of the Agricultural Advisory Commission, or the

[0:06:05] Voice 9: AAPC, and I'm an orchardist here on the island for the last 20 odd years.

[0:06:11] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you. And I see Doug Pepper, your name just popped up, perhaps you just came in,

[0:06:18] Trustee Luckham: I'm just doing introductions maybe I'll move along then not hearing anything from Doug

[0:06:29] Trustee Luckham: it might maybe it's just connecting Jan Steinman I

[0:06:35] Voice 3: am a member of the AAPC and

[0:06:39] Voice 3: we have a cooperative farm in the south end called Eco Reality Co-op and we're pretty active

[0:06:47] Voice 3: and doing greenhouse work and orchard and a whole bunch of value-added stuff okay

[0:06:53] Trustee Luckham: thank you and

[0:06:55] Trustee Luckham: And I see Doug Pepper there again, moving around for some reason on my list.

[0:07:01] Trustee Luckham: Are you there?

[0:07:03] Voice 1: Yes.

[0:07:03] Voice 1: For some reason, I think I came in on the sort of the outside video.

[0:07:08] Voice 1: So I didn't have any audio, but I've been here since the beginning.

[0:07:11] Voice 1: Doug Pepper with the Ministry of Agriculture.

[0:07:13] Voice 1: I'm located in Duncan.

[0:07:15] Voice 1: I sort of deal with the CVRDs and the Gulf Islands, RDN, and the Port Alberni.

[0:07:22] Voice 1: so I'm just here to provide any support that agriculture can. Thank you.

[0:07:28] Trustee Luckham: Well, great. Thank you for joining us and loaning your support to agriculture

[0:07:33] Trustee Luckham: in your words. It's great to have you here. Nathan Roberson.

[0:07:40] Voice 8: Yep. I'm Dr. Nathan Roberson. I've been working in public policy for the last decade or so.

[0:07:47] Voice 8: I'm a member of the AAPC and then also working on a farm here in Salt Spring on the South End as

[0:07:53] Voice 8: as well, in addition to other public policy efforts.

[0:07:57] Trustee Luckham: Thanks.

[0:08:00] Trustee Luckham: Great, thanks for joining us, Nathan.

[0:08:03] Trustee Luckham: Just lost my list.

[0:08:05] Trustee Luckham: So I'm gonna continue on with trustees here

[0:08:10] Trustee Luckham: and then I'll come back to staff.

[0:08:12] Trustee Luckham: Theresa, Theresa, I'll let you pronounce your last name.

[0:08:17] Voice 10: Theresa D'Einstein.

[0:08:18] Voice 10: I'm with the Ag Alliance

[0:08:22] Voice 10: and I'm relatively new to the island.

[0:08:24] Voice 10: I'm in the south end. I have a small hobby farm. I'm a professional agrologist and a former planner

[0:08:31] Voice 10: with the Metro Vancouver Regional District.

[0:08:35] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you. Next is Trustee Patrick.

[0:08:42] Trustee Patrick: Well, thank you. I am Laura Patrick, elected here on Salt Spring. And I do want to also thank you

[0:08:48] Trustee Patrick: and your letter. Staff explicitly contacted me and said they were so appreciative of the letter,

[0:08:55] Trustee Patrick: the tone, the recommendations. So you got a gold star.

[0:09:02] Trustee Luckham: Okay. Thank you, Trustee Patrick. So Ken

[0:09:04] Trustee Luckham: Byron is my last elected or trustee. Go ahead, Ken. This audio isn't connecting, Chair.

[0:09:25] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, I see that. Okay. Well, I'm just going to then just briefly introduce the rest of the staff

[0:09:34] Trustee Luckham: that are with us, which is planner Jordy Gordon and Christina Mays and regional planning manager

[0:09:44] Trustee Luckham: Stefan Surmak. Thank you guys for joining us and if you can you're able to get some audio just

[0:09:53] Trustee Luckham: shout out and we'll give you an opportunity. So I really want to thank you all for joining

[0:09:59] Trustee Luckham: us today. Summertime of course is a busy time for you with harvesting and things and I can't help

[0:10:05] Trustee Luckham: but also be concerned about this heat wave and the heat that we were just

[0:10:10] Trustee Luckham: looking at our fig tree out here and noticing that the small buds this year

[0:10:15] Trustee Luckham: are all burned and blackened and I know that a lot of fruit has already been

[0:10:20] Trustee Luckham: damaged and I imagine that there's ongoing struggles for you with water and

[0:10:26] Trustee Luckham: harvesting and the rest so really certainly thinking about you out there

[0:10:32] Trustee Luckham: on Salt Spring. This is a really great opportunity for me to learn more about agriculture on your

[0:10:37] Trustee Luckham: island and what the important issues are and concerns and I'm looking forward to more of

[0:10:41] Trustee Luckham: this conversation as time goes by. It's just really valuable for us to be able to have these

[0:10:47] Trustee Luckham: opportunities with you. So there's a couple of little business items just to manage here. So

[0:10:53] Trustee Luckham: minutes from the February 11th 2021 Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee and Agriculture

[0:10:59] Trustee Luckham: Culture Advisory Planning Commission meeting. I'll just look to the trustees. Are there any

[0:11:02] Trustee Luckham: changes to those minutes?

[0:11:04] Trustee Patrick: I think they've already been accepted through our LTC, I believe.

[0:11:08] Trustee Luckham: For information. You're absolutely right, Laura. Thank you very much. So that's there for

[0:11:14] Trustee Luckham: information. So this is a verbal, the next item is Salt Spring ALR 2021.1, Tuttle 231 Meadow Drive,

[0:11:24] Trustee Luckham: Salt Spring and we've got a verbal update regarding that which is non-adhering residential

[0:11:30] Trustee Luckham: use in the ALR. So who in the planning staff is going to speak to this one? Geordie Gordon is

[0:11:36] Trustee Luckham: that you? Thank you sir.

[0:11:37] Voice 6: Yes I can speak to that quickly chair. Yeah so this is as the chair said

[0:11:41] Voice 6: this is for information really for the for the AAPC that the Islands Trust received a non-adhering

[0:11:49] Voice 6: residential use application from the ALC was considered at the June LTC meeting and it was

[0:11:56] Voice 6: for I have some visuals here if people are interested but essentially it was for a small

[0:12:02] Voice 6: addition to a previously approved non-adhering residential use and so essentially a second

[0:12:08] Voice 6: dwelling on a farm there was a small 275 square foot addition that was proposed to the existing

[0:12:14] Voice 6: dwelling. And just to let everybody know that the LTC did recommend that the ALC approve that and

[0:12:22] Voice 6: that resolution was sent off to the ALC for their further consideration. So happy to take any

[0:12:29] Voice 6: questions if anybody has any or if they'd like to see more detail on that one.

[0:12:34] Trustee Luckham: All right. Are there

[0:12:36] Trustee Luckham: any questions? And if you're familiar with the process, there is a digital hand at the bottom

[0:12:40] Trustee Luckham: of the screen that you should be able to raise um otherwise just raise your physical hand and

[0:12:46] Trustee Luckham: i'll try and watch for you no not seeing oh no there's two so brent over to you sure

[0:12:53] Voice 13: i've i

[0:12:54] Voice 13: looked at the uh property uh on the you know the crd uh database uh with the topo lines i noticed

[0:13:02] Voice 13: I noticed it was abutting a property on DuBose,

[0:13:07] Voice 13: but is there agriculture going on in the parcel now?

[0:13:14] Voice 13: And is the application related to agriculture?

[0:13:21] Trustee Luckham: Planner Gordon?

[0:13:24] Voice 6: Thank you, Chair.

[0:13:25] Voice 6: There is agriculture occurring on the property

[0:13:28] Voice 6: and there were some photos provided in the staff report,

[0:13:31] Voice 6: which I don't believe was forwarded in your package,

[0:13:33] Voice 6: but um chicken some fruit trees um vegetables that sort of thing um to your question i don't

[0:13:43] Voice 6: know that in the staff report i sort of said that it doesn't necessarily um enhance agriculture but

[0:13:50] Voice 6: allows what's occurring to maintain to to sort of continue um it is a dwelling for a family member

[0:13:56] Voice 6: that helps out with with the farming so um and really it was it was approved it was a small

[0:14:03] Voice 6: addition to an already approved structure that you know that sort of consideration about agriculture

[0:14:08] Voice 6: was perhaps considered previously thanks

[0:14:11] Voice 13: that's what i needed okay

[0:14:13] Trustee Luckham: okay great thank

[0:14:14] Trustee Luckham: you uh conrad

[0:14:15] Trustee Luckham: pilon yeah

[0:14:17] Voice 9: i just wanted to know whether or not the uh the increased flexibility that's been put

[0:14:22] Voice 9: into place and um holding the alr whether it was even necessary to send it in now for approval by

[0:14:32] Voice 6: Yeah, that's a very good question. And it was a question that I put to the applicant as well, if they were considering just waiting to see what would happen.

[0:14:41] Voice 6: I think their approach was, you know, at the time, this new information wasn't out. It wasn't clear when it was going to be received in terms of the flexibility as well.

[0:14:55] Voice 6: well, there's a covenant on the dwelling

[0:14:58] Voice 6: that is related to the previous approval.

[0:15:01] Voice 6: So it's a bit of a different scenario

[0:15:04] Voice 6: and it seemed more prudent to go through the ALC approval.

[0:15:07] Voice 6: I mean, the ALC might very well come back and say,

[0:15:09] Voice 6: you know, we're expending permissions anyway,

[0:15:13] Voice 6: so we have no concerns with it, you know, that sort of thing.

[0:15:16] Voice 6: But it was a consideration,

[0:15:17] Voice 6: but determined that it was probably more expedient

[0:15:20] Voice 6: to just go through the process at the time.

[0:15:22] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:15:23] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you.

[0:15:26] Trustee Luckham: Any other questions? I don't see any digital hands up and I'm not seeing any physical hands up. So

[0:15:33] Trustee Luckham: that's great. Thank you, Planner Gordon. So this moves us into the discussion of the agricultural

[0:15:38] Trustee Luckham: part.

[0:15:38] Trustee Patrick: Chair, I'm sorry. I was trying to find all the buttons here and I was slow on it.

[0:15:43] Trustee Patrick: I just wanted to mention that this was part of, because we have this relationship that we're

[0:15:48] Trustee Patrick: trying to be open and transparent, that we had moved on this decision and wanted to make sure

[0:15:52] Trustee Patrick: that you were aware of the decision we made and the nature of it so that was why this was here

[0:16:00] Trustee Luckham: brilliant thank you trustee patrick um that kind of communication is really important uh to us

[0:16:07] Trustee Luckham: that you that we're informing you and you feel like you're informed so um we will do what we can

[0:16:13] Trustee Luckham: to support that so let's go then to the discussion of agricultural priorities and um i think it's

[0:16:22] Trustee Luckham: It's just an open piece of the agenda here.

[0:16:26] Trustee Luckham: And I'll just ask the trustees if they have any remarks they'd like to make before we get started.

[0:16:30] Trustee Luckham: Otherwise, I'll go to the chairs of the committees.

[0:16:37] Trustee Patrick: All right.

[0:16:38] Trustee Patrick: I keep forgetting to use my hand there.

[0:16:41] Trustee Patrick: Apologize, Chair.

[0:16:42] Trustee Patrick: Go ahead.

[0:16:44] Trustee Patrick: Is this where we would talk about the new ALC rules in this piece, or is that a separate item?

[0:16:50] Trustee Patrick: We should have done one.

[0:16:51] Voice 15: I

[0:16:52] Trustee Luckham: don't have anything here about ALC rules on our agenda but if you wanted to bring that up that

[0:16:57] Trustee Luckham: would be uh fine yeah that's I think

[0:17:00] Trustee Patrick: I'd really like to hear feedback from folks on on that and

[0:17:03] Trustee Patrick: if they you know because I assume we have lots of options I mean staff haven't given us a report yet

[0:17:08] Trustee Patrick: but uh how we can address those so right

[0:17:11] Trustee Luckham: okay um are there any other remarks from the trustees

[0:17:16] Trustee Luckham: otherwise um do the chairs want to kick us off who would like to begin uh ann macy go ahead

[0:17:25] Trustee Luckham: yes

[0:17:27] Voice 2: i i think well i know i for one would like to get clear with this new um with these new

[0:17:35] Voice 2: allowances that are coming in what the relationship is between the trust now and does the trust have

[0:17:43] Voice 2: to still approve it or will will our rules and regulations here on salt spring automatically um

[0:17:53] Voice 2: allow for what is now being allowed by the al uh alc or does it have

[0:18:00] Voice 2: to go through a process

[0:18:01] Voice 2: to get to that point yeah

[0:18:03] Trustee Luckham: i see stuff regional planning manager cermak screen has come on we

[0:18:07] Trustee Luckham: haven't received a report yet to understand that so i'm not sure what analysis has been done but

[0:18:12] Trustee Luckham: but Regional Planning Team or CIRMAC,

[0:18:14] Trustee Luckham: do you have anything to share with us there?

[0:18:16] Voice 5: Sure. Thank you, Chair Luckham.

[0:18:18] Voice 5: Staff did forward this to the agenda

[0:18:20] Voice 5: so that it would be on the agenda.

[0:18:22] Voice 5: I'm sorry that you don't have a revised sort of agenda.

[0:18:25] Voice 5: It was a late item.

[0:18:26] Voice 5: And so it is in the revised agenda package.

[0:18:30] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[0:18:32] Voice 5: Anyways, so it is attached, at least in the copy I have,

[0:18:37] Voice 5: and it's an information note.

[0:18:39] Voice 5: So, and Macy, to answer your question,

[0:18:42] Voice 5: The rules that sort of the regulations that kick into place are at the end of the calendar year, and it allows a secondary dwelling on the properties, but they have to agree with the local government bylaws.

[0:18:54] Voice 5: The current local bylaw says that one additional dwelling unit is permitted, providing that, and it gives the list of three of them.

[0:19:02] Voice 5: One, it's a mobile home for immediate family, consistent with a regulation that's not going to apply anymore.

[0:19:10] Voice 5: more. Two is a secondary suite that is consistent with a regulation that probably won't apply

[0:19:15] Voice 5: anymore. And three is a farm workers dwelling unit that has been approved for non-farm use

[0:19:20] Voice 5: application. So to answer your question, staff have not done an analysis on that. However, I

[0:19:25] Voice 5: think it's reasonable to assume that effective at the end of the calendar year, the mobile home,

[0:19:31] Voice 5: a secondary suite, or a farm worker dwelling would be permitted as per our current bylaw.

[0:19:37] Voice 5: however it's that is not as robust as the what the ALR has permitted and therefore that would

[0:19:46] Voice 5: require a land use bylaw amendment and that is why you're getting that information as soon as we have

[0:19:51] Voice 5: it and it's it could form a part of the housing project work that's going on right now or what

[0:19:58] Voice 5: have you so it's it's really good news for for this group and it's really good news for the

[0:20:03] Voice 5: housing group and it's just really good news so so a little bit is the answer okay

[0:20:11] Trustee Luckham: thank you

[0:20:12] Trustee Luckham: stefano are there any other questions on that obviously we're not terribly well prepared for

[0:20:21] Trustee Luckham: that more thoughts uh doug pepper go ahead yeah

[0:20:29] Voice 1: i'm not i'm not a complete expert on this we

[0:20:31] Voice 1: have a land use planners for that and i had asked them to uh to listen in so any questions like that

[0:20:38] Voice 1: could be directed to them. It's fairly new to us as well. However, I believe that, as was mentioned,

[0:20:44] Voice 1: it comes into effect at the end of the year. It still will be going through local government

[0:20:48] Voice 1: and local government will still have the ability to say no or have more stringent rules than the

[0:20:56] Voice 1: ALC. The ALC is giving the flexibility to say you can have another dwelling on there and there's a

[0:21:05] Voice 1: a number of rules that have they have to comply it's the size and different things like that size

[0:21:10] Voice 1: of the parcel as well as the size of the house but the local government still has a significant

[0:21:16] Voice 1: amount of um feedback and power to say no we would like this to be far more restrictive than what the

[0:21:24] Voice 1: ALC is is saying uh I decided to throw that in there just to say that you still have the ability

[0:21:31] Voice 1: to be more restrictive than what is available

[0:21:36] Voice 1: through the local government, ALC, sorry.

[0:21:41] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you for that, Doug.

[0:21:43] Trustee Luckham: Appreciate it.

[0:21:44] Trustee Luckham: Brian Webster?

[0:21:47] Voice 4: Just a quick comment.

[0:21:51] Voice 4: I think like a lot of people who are enthusiastic defenders

[0:21:57] Voice 4: of farmland and of agriculture have some mixed feelings about it.

[0:22:03] Voice 4: More flexibility, generally speaking, is a good thing. On the other hand, what the provincial government has said explicitly pretty much encourages people who are using farmland not for farming to build a second house on their property.

[0:22:23] Voice 4: And that makes me nervous. On the other hand, there are strict limitations on the size of the additional dwelling and only people on a small property.

[0:22:36] Voice 4: My property is five point one four acres. And for me, every square meter of land is really precious.

[0:22:44] Voice 4: And losing any any of it that I can use for farming causes me some distress.

[0:22:50] Voice 4: I know there are lots of people on larger properties who would just laugh at my concern over 10 meters or 50 square meters or whatever.

[0:22:59] Voice 4: But overall, I would say it is a good thing because it will assist farm worker housing and it'll make it more financially viable for people to farm on their land by having that second dwelling there.

[0:23:16] Voice 4: there. So except for a few little twinges around concern, around encouraging people buying farmland

[0:23:27] Voice 4: to not farm on it. Aside from that, I would say it's a good thing.

[0:23:34] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you. And Trustee

[0:23:37] Trustee Patrick: Patrick. I'm just, I think this is a great opportunity is how I look at it for us to work

[0:23:44] Trustee Patrick: work together use the our aapc to to inform us as we start to form you know the decisions that we

[0:23:51] Trustee Patrick: have so that this can be a made you know made to work on salt spring uh solution great thank you

[0:23:59] Trustee Luckham: uh conrad pilon yeah

[0:24:03] Voice 9: i i just want to uh talk about the area farm plan and the um the recommendations

[0:24:10] Voice 9: that were made in the recent area farm plan dealt with farm worker housing and in that we outlined

[0:24:15] Voice 9: aligned about 10 parameters, if you like, conditions for allowing farm worker housing

[0:24:23] Voice 9: on farm property. In response to Brian's comment about wanting to see additional housing primarily

[0:24:30] Voice 9: focused on improving agriculture on the property, I think that we already have had some public

[0:24:37] Voice 9: discussion recently in the last couple of years with the area farm plan on this issue, and

[0:24:42] Voice 9: And those recommendations are fairly clear, very straightforward.

[0:24:45] Voice 9: The only issue that would be outstanding, my personal view, is that we have rules for farmland, farm status on ALR land and not on non-ALR land for farms with farm status.

[0:25:01] Voice 9: us and it would be very useful that we when we have the discussion with the islands trust that

[0:25:06] Voice 9: we're able to bring together those those conditions for increased housing on farmland whether you are

[0:25:14] Voice 9: in the alr or outside the alr as long as it goes towards improving the farm or farming capacity of

[0:25:21] Voice 9: the property um like i said we have done a tremendous amount of work in that area and

[0:25:27] Voice 9: And there's even right down to the compliance issues

[0:25:32] Voice 9: that would be related to making sure that these properties,

[0:25:35] Voice 9: these new housing is applied for housing purposes.

[0:25:38] Voice 9: Thank you.

[0:25:42] Trustee Luckham: Okay, thank you.

[0:25:46] Trustee Luckham: Jan Steinman.

[0:25:49] Voice 3: Yeah, I think a big issue here is that this really

[0:25:54] Voice 3: does nothing to enhance farm worker housing

[0:25:57] Voice 3: and that land in the LR currently had the ability to add housing for farm

[0:26:05] Voice 3: workers so this is no addition and as I expressed in the driftwood I think a

[0:26:11] Voice 3: problem is that when farmers find it more profitable to rent housing than

[0:26:16] Voice 3: they do to use farmland for farming we're gonna have land taken out of

[0:26:22] Voice 3: agricultural production. So I wouldn't go so far as to say I don't like this, but I'm really

[0:26:29] Voice 3: hesitant and cautious about it.

[0:26:33] Trustee Luckham: Thank you. And now, Trustee Patrick, your hand is still up or

[0:26:37] Trustee Luckham: up again? No. Okay. That's great. So thank you, Rob, for sending me the amended agenda. And indeed,

[0:26:46] Trustee Luckham: 3.4 was the discussion that we're having here now and so is there anything further on these

[0:26:55] Trustee Luckham: what's referred to as the ALC information update on my agenda and I don't know if everybody got

[0:27:04] Trustee Luckham: that or not. Brent again over to you.

[0:27:09] Voice 13: I really appreciate the comments made by commissioners

[0:27:13] Voice 13: um Conrad Pilon and and uh Jan Steinman and I guess what I'm asking uh the planners is would

[0:27:22] Voice 13: there be a framework where uh Islands Trust could limit uh expansion of housing on ALR land

[0:27:39] Voice 13: And to where there's active agriculture and where that housing was going to directly contribute.

[0:27:49] Voice 13: Now, that sounds like a very big set of questions to ask an applicant in a trust framework, and it could engender quite a bit of hostility.

[0:28:02] Voice 13: So I'm just going to leave it at that. But it strikes me there, there might be some ways to narrow down expansion of housing for ALR to farm workers and other collaborate other, you know, farmers.

[0:28:21] Voice 13: Thanks.

[0:28:23] Trustee Luckham: In the absence of a full analysis, regional planning manager Cermak, do you have any hints there or should we just wait for a future report?

[0:28:34] Voice 5: Well, you've got the information hot off the press, and that was the purpose of bringing it to you as soon as we could.

[0:28:39] Voice 5: I would really look to direction of this group, as well as the Housing Action Task Force that's put together.

[0:28:47] Voice 5: They were informed of the same regulation announcement from the ALC.

[0:28:53] Voice 5: And, you know, I opened up the area farm plan to see what the points are there.

[0:28:58] Voice 5: And I think all that information, this is why we're having this meeting.

[0:29:01] Voice 5: the next meeting for this group is not scheduled till November 18th so if there's something that

[0:29:07] Voice 5: you know we recognize that you know this was not well thought out to put it on your agenda

[0:29:11] Voice 5: just wanted to get it fresh because we figured it'd be on your minds and and get those those

[0:29:17] Voice 5: ideas going if there's a resolution you want to make asking the LTC or pardon me this is an LTC

[0:29:23] Voice 5: meeting if the LTC wishes to make a resolution for staff report back we can do that and that

[0:29:28] Voice 5: That would most logically go to the planner who's working on housing actions right now.

[0:29:35] Voice 5: And so, yeah, we can do whatever the LDC sort of directs us to do within reason.

[0:29:41] Voice 5: We don't have a huge capacity to take on new projects, but I would argue that this fits well within the housing action program.

[0:29:48] Voice 5: And it's been anticipated that this is one of these sort of, I don't want to say quick wins,

[0:29:53] Voice 5: But seeing that there's a little bit of wiggle room here and that the area farm plan sort of puts out some.

[0:30:00] Voice 5: guidelines and that you're meeting and talking about it now if the ltc wishes the staff to come

[0:30:05] Voice 5: forward with a say a bylaw amendment to consider that we could do that as an early deliverable but

[0:30:11] Voice 5: that's up to the ltc to direct staff to do and staff are all ears about how the ltc would like

[0:30:16] Voice 5: to proceed but as chair luckham said there's been no analysis or anything so i would imagine that'd

[0:30:23] Voice 5: be their first task is to ask hey how can we make this happen within the realms of what the aapc and

[0:30:28] Voice 5: agricultural alliance would be comfortable with so and I look forward

[0:30:32] Voice 5: to doing that work because

[0:30:33] Voice 5: I do recognize it's been on your farm plan for a long time.

[0:30:37] Trustee Luckham: Okay Stefan thank you for that a few

[0:30:40] Trustee Luckham: good hints there to the trustees but I just want to recognize Conrad Pilon who's had his hand up

[0:30:47] Trustee Luckham: for a bit and then maybe I'll turn to trustees to see if there is anything that that with the

[0:30:52] Trustee Luckham: lack of information and no recommendations that you would want to consider directing staff.

[0:31:00] Voice 9: Yeah, just one point is that, again, the work from the Area Farm Plan talked about proof of need for housing, for farm worker housing, and it also addressed a number of issues around compliance.

[0:31:14] Voice 9: clients. But I want to just ask if there's any, if there's, I'm not sure what, when I looked at the

[0:31:21] Voice 9: press release and the facts, the last, after they've decided on the size of the square footage

[0:31:29] Voice 9: of housing units based on the size of the ALR land, the final note is that filing a notice of

[0:31:38] Voice 9: intent for soil fill use to the ALC for the residential additional residents continues to

[0:31:45] Voice 9: be a requirement of the ALC. Does anybody know what that means?

[0:31:52] Trustee Luckham: Does anybody want to try and

[0:31:54] Trustee Luckham: tackle that?

[0:31:55] Voice 2: I've come across it before. Anytime you actually move soil from ALR land or want to

[0:32:03] Voice 2: move it, you have to get permission to do it. So let's say you want to put in a cement pad for a

[0:32:08] Voice 2: composter which is why i met it um you have to send a letter a notice of intent to ask basically

[0:32:17] Voice 2: ask permission to move the soil back put the fill in put the cement down telling them what you're

[0:32:25] Voice 2: going to do and then they say okay okay thank you

[0:32:30] Voice 2: thank

[0:32:31] Trustee Luckham: you for that answer um doug pepper

[0:32:35] Trustee Luckham: or have something to contribute yes

[0:32:38] Voice 1: just follow up with miss macy was saying there it's just like

[0:32:41] Voice 1: if you have five acres of land in your driveway is going to be suddenly covered with two acres of

[0:32:47] Voice 1: gravel they want to make sure that what you're filling in is not you're not covering up alr land

[0:32:55] Voice 1: with what happens in the lower mainland where there's truckloads of concrete and rebar being

[0:33:00] Voice 1: shipped into onto ALR land and being dumped so making sure that what you're actually going to

[0:33:07] Voice 1: be covering the ALR land up with is necessary for the the structure or whatever that you plan on

[0:33:14] Voice 1: being our building so that that hasn't changed that's always had to go you've had to have that

[0:33:20] Voice 1: letter of intent it's just it's just saying that even though now you're allowed to build another

[0:33:25] Voice 1: a second unit you still have to apply for the the ground covering of the ground of the uh

[0:33:32] Voice 1: with gravel whatever the heck you want to concrete whatever you want to do

[0:33:38] Trustee Luckham: okay thank you for that advice uh doug now um is it jan or jan steinman how do you

[0:33:45] Voice 3: uh normally

[0:33:46] Voice 3: jan i i grew up as jan moved to europe and came back as jan so either

[0:33:50] Trustee Luckham: one works well yeah okay

[0:33:52] Trustee Luckham: Okay, over to you, you had your hand up.

[0:33:54] Voice 3: Yeah, I don't have the reference or the number or anything,

[0:33:57] Voice 3: but there exists a local land use bylaw

[0:34:01] Voice 3: regarding a movement of fill material to farmland

[0:34:04] Voice 3: to perhaps someone on staff knows more about that.

[0:34:11] Voice 3: Stefan?

[0:34:12] Voice 5: Bylaw 418.

[0:34:14] Voice 5: Thank you.

[0:34:18] Trustee Luckham: All right, anything else on the topic

[0:34:22] Trustee Luckham: of the ALC update, I guess?

[0:34:29] Trustee Luckham: um trustee patrick oh i'm

[0:34:32] Trustee Patrick: happy to muddle through a resolution on the fly if uh if uh

[0:34:37] Trustee Patrick: you would

[0:34:38] Trustee Luckham: be open to that well very brave and uh why don't you try and wing it

[0:34:43] Trustee Luckham: i will

[0:34:44] Trustee Patrick: try to ring it wing it but i'll try to keep it broad that i moved at the salt spring

[0:34:48] Trustee Patrick: island local trust committee direct staff to prepare a report on options to amend bylaws to

[0:34:55] Trustee Patrick: to accommodate the ALC's July 12th, 2021

[0:34:59] Trustee Patrick: announcement on residential flexibility

[0:35:03] Trustee Patrick: in consideration of the 2020 area farm plan.

[0:35:10] Trustee Patrick: And I don't know if we want to, I guess we could,

[0:35:15] Trustee Patrick: and I don't know if we want to say in consultation

[0:35:17] Trustee Patrick: with the APC or something of that nature

[0:35:21] Trustee Patrick: or if that's going too far.

[0:35:27] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, let's just see, give Rob a chance to get that written down and then perhaps he can either display that on the screen or read it back.

[0:35:37] Trustee Luckham: And just ask Stefan, does that seem to be a complete or does it go too far or should we say less or more of a regional planning manager for Servamark?

[0:35:52] Voice 5: I'll wait for a read back from Rob before I comment on what it says.

[0:36:00] Voice 7: A newfound

[0:36:01] Voice 5: respect for

[0:36:02] Voice 7: Sarah. I have a newfound respect for Sarah Sugar's typing abilities.

[0:36:07] Voice 7: I wasn't required to prove that I could type at, I don't know how many words per minute,

[0:36:13] Voice 7: Trustee Patrick was speaking,

[0:36:14] Trustee Patrick: but I did not achieve that.

[0:36:16] Trustee Patrick: I wrote it down before I said it, so I can read it back. It wasn't off the top of my head.

[0:36:22] Trustee Patrick: Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to prepare a report

[0:36:26] Trustee Patrick: report on options to amend bylaws to accommodate the ALC's July 12th, 2021 announcement

[0:36:41] Trustee Patrick: on residential flexibility in consideration of the 2020 area farm plan. And I have, I guess,

[0:36:56] Trustee Patrick: and I was going to say either, I was, that's where I kind of started to stop. And I said,

[0:37:02] Trustee Patrick: either we can either put in the resolution in consultation with the aapc or do we want the

[0:37:08] Trustee Patrick: report first and then go to the aapc and i'm seeing that's what stefan would probably say

[0:37:12] Trustee Patrick: so probably prepare a report then what we would send it to the aapc for review so we can end it

[0:37:20] Trustee Patrick: at the 2020 area farm plan all

[0:37:26] Trustee Luckham: right when you're ready rob yep

[0:37:28] Voice 7: i'll get it up on screen once i am

[0:37:32] Trustee Grove: all right i'm happy with that and i'm prepared to second it chair unless uh we you want to so

[0:37:42] Trustee Grove: we can discuss it or did you want to talk about it more first well

[0:37:45] Trustee Luckham: let's see it and so that you

[0:37:46] Trustee Luckham: uh so that one it reflects what trustee patrick is wanting to move and then if you're comfortable

[0:37:52] Trustee Luckham: with seconding it then let's second it it seems pretty straightforward um so is that the motion

[0:38:00] Trustee Luckham: trustee Patrick yes and

[0:38:04] Trustee Grove: I'm happy to second that right

[0:38:06] Trustee Luckham: very good so moved and

[0:38:08] Trustee Luckham: seconded is there any discussion from the members of the LTC no then I will

[0:38:14] Trustee Luckham: call the vote I

[0:38:16] Trustee Grove: wouldn't be can other people comment at this point before we

[0:38:20] Trustee Grove: vote well

[0:38:22] Trustee Luckham: you know that's one of the tricky things right it's this is the

[0:38:26] Trustee Luckham: the business of the LTC, but if the LTC wants to hear from the members of the commissions

[0:38:34] Trustee Luckham: that are here, I'm happy to hear from them.

[0:38:37] Trustee Grove: I would like to.

[0:38:38] Trustee Grove: That's why we're all sitting at the same table, more or less, as it were.

[0:38:41] Trustee Luckham: Right.

[0:38:41] Trustee Luckham: So is there any comments on the motion that's proposed by Trustee Patrick?

[0:38:48] Trustee Luckham: Got a thumbs up there, Jan.

[0:38:50] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[0:38:51] Trustee Luckham: Thumbs up from Nathan.

[0:38:52] Trustee Luckham: I've seen thumbs up from Brian.

[0:38:54] Trustee Luckham: It looks like we have some consensus there and smiles and really that's great to see

[0:39:00] Trustee Luckham: smiles and I miss I

[0:39:02] Trustee Luckham: miss meeting in person and I actually look very I look forward to

[0:39:06] Trustee Luckham: public meetings, but I very much look forward to meeting all of you in in person fashion

[0:39:10] Trustee Luckham: if possible.

[0:39:12] Trustee Luckham: So I think that this consent around the table so trustee grove did you have any other remarks

[0:39:19] Trustee Luckham: no.

[0:39:19] Trustee Grove: No.

[0:39:20] Trustee Luckham: I'm

[0:39:20] Trustee Grove: happy to call the vote.

[0:39:22] Trustee Luckham: All right.

[0:39:23] Trustee Luckham: let's call the vote. All those in favor? That would be Trustee Patrick and Trustee Gove.

[0:39:31] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Brent. You can give that a try. But that carries. And so I appreciate that and

[0:39:38] Trustee Luckham: very much look forward to that report. Is there anything else that we'd like to discuss today

[0:39:43] Trustee Luckham: with these new ALC amendments? Doesn't look like it. So let's just go to what I think of as a kind

[0:39:52] Trustee Luckham: of a roundtable discussion of agricultural priorities and um um is there somebody that

[0:39:58] Trustee Luckham: would like to kick off this part of the conversation must be something i'm not seeing

[0:40:13] Trustee Luckham: any digital hands up or analog okay

[0:40:15] Voice 2: i'll start but i think i might defer to brian because he's

[0:40:20] Voice 2: more eloquent than i am over

[0:40:24] Trustee Luckham: to you then and go ahead

[0:40:26] Voice 2: but going back um to the the um trust

[0:40:32] Voice 2: Trust Council policy. We prepared that letter and we sent it in.

[0:40:37] Voice 2: But the question it raised for us was the status of agriculture in terms of how the trust perceives it now.

[0:40:49] Voice 2: I mean, we know, you know, environment is important. All these things are important.

[0:40:55] Voice 2: But we feel a little bit like we're always having to defend agriculture.

[0:41:00] Voice 2: culture and when things come up we're always doing this you know trying to prove that agriculture is

[0:41:09] Voice 2: important part of the gulf islands um economy an important part of its landscape and all those

[0:41:16] Voice 2: things so um we're wondering how to turn things around a bit so we don't always feel that we're

[0:41:26] Voice 2: in that position and maybe it's the policy document that will help do that by making sure

[0:41:31] Voice 2: that recognition is there but I think it's also an approach at local trust council when you're

[0:41:37] Voice 2: thinking about bylaws and things like that that um we don't always want to be on the defensive

[0:41:43] Voice 2: perhaps you'd like to take it Brian and explain a little bit more clearly okay

[0:41:49] Voice 4: if it's okay for

[0:41:50] Voice 4: me to speak um i guess um we we were discussing by email um the the fact that we hear a fair bit

[0:42:06] Voice 4: from uh particularly from island trust staff that certain activities are uh permitted because

[0:42:15] Voice 4: our land might happen to be in the agricultural land reserve and the legislation around that

[0:42:23] Voice 4: permits it, which is all well and good. But what we don't seem to be hearing is the trust

[0:42:32] Voice 4: saying that the activities that we participate in are important and valuable to the trust,

[0:42:42] Voice 4: as part of the trust. And that seems like a disconnect to many of us anyway, particularly

[0:42:50] Voice 4: particularly in a time when the trust is looking at its fundamental directions and the whole concept of preserve and protect.

[0:43:00] Voice 4: And we have to ask ourselves who over the last really century and a half, but particularly since the 1970s,

[0:43:10] Voice 4: when the trust came into being, who's done more to protect land from inappropriate development than the agricultural community and farmers?

[0:43:20] Voice 4: farmers. And hasn't agriculture and farming both been important in protecting the land, but also

[0:43:31] Voice 4: in protecting and enhancing the culture of the Gulf Islands? And it seems we hear the elected

[0:43:44] Voice 4: people fairly consistently expressing support for farming, for agriculture, for farmland,

[0:43:53] Voice 4: yet we keep bumping into things, whether it's the policy statement being proposed to remove

[0:44:01] Voice 4: the reference to agriculture being valuable, which is what the draft did, or whether it's

[0:44:11] Voice 4: talking about the composting issues that have come up. As far as I can tell, inadvertently,

[0:44:16] Voice 4: I don't think there was an intent on the part of the elected people or even of staff

[0:44:20] Voice 4: to make it more difficult for farmers to compost. But that is what happened. We, some of us anyway,

[0:44:28] Voice 4: feel like we're actually either an afterthought or that there is concern, perhaps mostly on the

[0:44:37] Voice 4: the part of staff that agriculture actually is in conflict with the fundamental principles and

[0:44:45] Voice 4: reason for the trust being. And that concerns us because we don't think we are at all. As we said

[0:44:52] Voice 4: in the letter that we sent, we don't think that agriculture and farming are in conflict with

[0:44:59] Voice 4: protecting land and protecting the environment, nor do we think agriculture and farming are in

[0:45:04] Voice 4: in conflict with any of the other aspects that the trust considers to be important,

[0:45:14] Voice 4: including reconciliation. Not at all. Yet the message that we are getting is that we are a

[0:45:23] Voice 4: a problem. So I'd like to find some way to reconcile the specific things that we hear on

[0:45:36] Voice 4: specific issues, whether it be the composting, whether it be the Coastal Douglas fir, whether

[0:45:41] Voice 4: it be the policy statement, and the overall general positive statements that we hear,

[0:45:48] Voice 4: because the positive statements start to ring hollow when they don't seem to be matched by the

[0:45:55] Voice 4: specific activities that go on. Maybe partly because there are elephants in the room,

[0:46:02] Voice 4: maybe partly because there are some people on our island who use their status or their desired

[0:46:11] Voice 4: status as farmers to try to do things that are maybe not viewed positively by the trust or by

[0:46:19] Voice 4: others. I don't know if that's the case. But most of us want to play by the rules. And we think

[0:46:27] Voice 4: we're contributing in a positive way to the economy, to protecting land, etc. And we're not

[0:46:34] Voice 4: sure that the way the trust is actually doing his business on a day-to-day basis is supporting us.

[0:46:43] Voice 4: In fact, we're pretty sure it's sometimes in conflict and sometimes tolerating, but pretty

[0:46:48] Voice 4: much never promoting, enhancing, celebrating.

[0:46:55] Trustee Luckham: Well, thank you, Brian. Indeed, as Anne had

[0:47:01] Trustee Luckham: suggested very eloquent, thank you. I just like to, I see Trustee Groves hand up but I just want

[0:47:08] Trustee Luckham: to make a remark and I just want to note that you were very careful with your words and I appreciate

[0:47:14] Trustee Luckham: that. I'm sensitive to the notion that staff make decisions or apply biases or otherwise to the work

[0:47:26] Trustee Luckham: at the islands trust and certainly let me just say that staff provide professional opinion on

[0:47:33] Trustee Luckham: uh planning framework interpretation of the bylaws and the guidelines and all of that stuff that we

[0:47:41] Trustee Luckham: have and uh trustees have that license to provide more um interpret broader interpretation on that

[0:47:51] Trustee Luckham: and may or may not have an interest or perhaps a bias um and so just want to be cautious about

[0:47:58] Trustee Luckham: that and you were very careful about that but just um i just feel it's always necessary to um

[0:48:06] Trustee Luckham: to say that um and um i i would just add with the response to the questions and comments there is

[0:48:14] Trustee Luckham: that um from my own personal perspective i think the policy statement is the place to embed that

[0:48:20] Trustee Luckham: vision and that outlook for the future and that support for agriculture. And as you have already

[0:48:28] Trustee Luckham: done by submitting and writing to us your thoughts, more of that is very welcome. Because

[0:48:35] Trustee Luckham: I agree with you, we do need to celebrate agriculture. Recently in an interview I did,

[0:48:42] Trustee Luckham: I think it was on radio. Indeed, the question of agriculture came up and the sustainability

[0:48:49] Trustee Luckham: sustainability of food on the islands, predominantly through agriculture, is so

[0:48:55] Trustee Luckham: critically important to the health of our communities. But Peter Grove, over to you.

[0:48:59] Trustee Grove: Yes, thanks so much. And I'm glad that we can talk about these things so openly. I'm a little

[0:49:04] Trustee Grove: bit stumped, to be honest. I've been a trustee for 10 years. And throughout that time, the local

[0:49:11] Trustee Grove: trust committees have been supportive of agriculture. I mean, we may not be, what is the

[0:49:18] Trustee Grove: the word celebrating and enhancing as you said brian but um but very supportive nevertheless

[0:49:23] Trustee Grove: um there have been bumps that have to be dealt with um you mentioned composting and there were

[0:49:29] Trustee Grove: various complications around those uh that matter which i believe has been dealt with but it was

[0:49:36] Trustee Grove: certainly never never anybody's intention to shut that down um the um logging issues are always

[0:49:45] Trustee Grove: was there but we have to and we deal with them and i do agree that the policy statement is a

[0:49:50] Trustee Grove: would be a great place to to announce or not but to announce but to confirm um our islands

[0:49:58] Trustee Grove: very important support of agriculture and it is essential that we provide that support and it will

[0:50:04] Trustee Grove: continue to be so so i feel that um that the this group i've known most of you for quite a long time

[0:50:14] Trustee Grove: are overly sensitive quite frankly because we've all got up to bat for you and we'll continue to

[0:50:20] Trustee Grove: do so and I'm sorry you have that feeling that agriculture is not appreciated because it

[0:50:27] Trustee Grove: certainly is and it will continue to be so I'm quite sure thank you thank

[0:50:34] Trustee Luckham: you Peter so I see

[0:50:37] Trustee Luckham: Teresa and Connor hands up in that order sure

[0:50:46] Voice 10: I just want to give an example in the policy

[0:50:50] Voice 10: statement under 4.42 it talks about let me read it here that agricultural activities and

[0:51:01] Voice 10: trust areas should be small-scale sustainable regenerative supportive of local climate action

[0:51:08] Voice 10: and food security and food security doesn't necessarily mean local food production it's more

[0:51:17] Voice 10: of a poverty issue it's about accessing food and i think a good a good change would be um supportive

[0:51:26] Voice 10: of local food production that would be a good signal that agriculture is is is valued and so

[0:51:36] Voice 10: So this is just like one example, one change of word that might be helpful.

[0:51:42] Trustee Luckham: Very good. I'll thank you for that.

[0:51:48] Trustee Luckham: I'm not sure if you brought that up or somebody else has brought that up before to one of our conversations,

[0:51:53] Trustee Luckham: but certainly I've heard that message and that's a good message to convey.

[0:51:58] Trustee Luckham: I'm going to go to Comrade Pila and then Trustee Patrick.

[0:52:04] Voice 9: I just want to make a brief comment.

[0:52:06] Voice 9: In both of the area farm plan sessions that we had in 2006-2007 and the most recent one in 2018-2019, the trustees participated very much and supported the whole process.

[0:52:23] Voice 9: in the first area of farm plan,

[0:52:26] Voice 9: George Ehring actually sat on the committee

[0:52:27] Voice 9: and provided a lot of useful and constructive input

[0:52:31] Voice 9: from the trust point of view on agriculture

[0:52:34] Voice 9: and in the Islands Trust policy format and vision.

[0:52:40] Voice 9: And this time around, Laura Patrick participated

[0:52:42] Voice 9: in a number of meetings that I was at, certainly.

[0:52:44] Voice 9: And so to respond to what Peter was saying

[0:52:49] Voice 9: is that it's not so much that we feel that the trust,

[0:52:53] Voice 9: We get the trustees participating and working with us, but when you see the policy statement come out as it did, it just backed us right up in terms of saying, well, where was that in the discussion that we were having?

[0:53:08] Voice 9: Because the discussions we're having with the trustees at the table on agricultural issues is very supportive, very inclusive, and then this comes out and it puts us off guard.

[0:53:21] Voice 9: So everything that Brian said, I totally agree with.

[0:53:25] Voice 9: Thank you very much again, Brian.

[0:53:27] Voice 9: Thank you, Conrad, for that.

[0:53:29] Voice 9: Trustee Patrick.

[0:53:32] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, I apologize in some way.

[0:53:36] Trustee Patrick: I mean, the whole process kind of got,

[0:53:40] Trustee Patrick: went from what was kind of a planned process

[0:53:43] Trustee Patrick: to kind of an exploded process, as you could tell.

[0:53:46] Trustee Patrick: And that was not by design.

[0:53:48] Trustee Patrick: um but now uh both peter luckham and i uh at the executive table will be having uh

[0:53:56] Trustee Patrick: giving clear direction on this final phase of the um engagement and it's very clear that we've got

[0:54:04] Trustee Patrick: to uh you know step back and have some detailed conversations with uh you know with you know

[0:54:12] Trustee Patrick: certain you know themes i guess you could say that uh that will affect the um the plan so um

[0:54:21] Trustee Patrick: any suggestions you have on how that engagement could look or what you would like to see so that

[0:54:28] Trustee Patrick: we could make sure um you know not just because this is a document that oversees all of the trust

[0:54:34] Trustee Patrick: area um you know if you've got ideas of your you know maybe a regional relationship with other

[0:54:41] Trustee Patrick: groups or how we could do that to make sure that you know we want salt springs voice like

[0:54:46] Trustee Patrick: local trustees are here to to augment your voice but how we can influence other other islands or

[0:54:54] Trustee Patrick: other voices across other islands too well

[0:54:59] Trustee Luckham: well said trustee patrick thank you indeed there's

[0:55:03] Trustee Luckham: lots of opportunity for amendments here and um you know what the draft is that's before us at

[0:55:10] Trustee Luckham: at this moment is a consolidation of everything

[0:55:14] Trustee Luckham: that we heard of about agriculture

[0:55:16] Trustee Luckham: throughout the entire trust area.

[0:55:19] Trustee Luckham: And that may be little, it may be a lot,

[0:55:21] Trustee Luckham: but certainly from perspectives that are not necessarily

[0:55:26] Trustee Luckham: fully familiar with agriculture in small communities.

[0:55:30] Trustee Luckham: And so the amendments are the next step

[0:55:34] Trustee Luckham: and it's very appropriate that we look closely

[0:55:37] Trustee Luckham: at that language.

[0:55:38] Trustee Luckham: So I think I see Brent's hand up there.

[0:55:43] Voice 13: Yeah, thanks. And to Brian Webster of the Agriculture Alliance, I appreciate your comments, but I'm going to make a polite challenge.

[0:55:55] Voice 13: This is the third time I've heard about this discomfort involving wording and involving some of the bylaws.

[0:56:05] Voice 13: right so far I've heard about bylaw 418 around Phil and I've tracked the composting

[0:56:16] Voice 13: we've had a discussion around logging that pretty hard to regulate under the municipal act regulate

[0:56:24] Voice 13: logging period but certainly to regulate it in agricultural land reserve land and you know and

[0:56:33] Voice 1: And I

[0:56:33] Voice 13: appreciate the difference between food security and supporting local food production.

[0:56:38] Voice 13: I think that's great.

[0:56:38] Voice 13: So it sounds to me like it would be it would be really useful at this point to get a list with like three to five sentences synopsis of where the agricultural alliance is unhappy or uncomfortable and get it out.

[0:56:57] Voice 13: Because if it's just these three things, or if it's just our personal attitudes, you know, all these things can be corrected.

[0:57:07] Voice 13: Because what I'm seeing as someone who's only been in this committee for advising on agriculture is that everybody is very supportive of agriculture.

[0:57:19] Voice 13: culture and there is enough flexibility these these bylaws and all of these policy issues need

[0:57:27] Voice 13: to be revised you know every decade or half decade so if it's time this is the group that can help

[0:57:38] Voice 13: you work with the planners and then work with the trustees to make elegant updates so that we can

[0:57:49] Voice 13: just get on with supporting agriculture. Thank you. Thank you Brent. Anne Macy.

[0:57:56] Voice 2: Yes, so I'd just like some clarity about how we do that specifically. We have for example

[0:58:06] Voice 2: three words we'd like removed from 323.2 doing the composting thing. So do we send that

[0:58:13] Voice 2: as a letter to the trustees i mean we don't want to wait to solve some of these problems until

[0:58:21] Voice 2: the trust is going through an overall update of the whole bylaw or anything else like if we

[0:58:28] Voice 2: bump into these things that are creating problems do we just send somebody a letter and say please

[0:58:33] Voice 2: change that and hope that some you can bring it to your i mean how does it happen really because

[0:58:39] Voice 2: because five or 10 years that we've gone out of business by then.

[0:58:44] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, I laugh, but I'm laughing because you're so, that's so true.

[0:58:49] Trustee Luckham: So indeed writing to us is the way. And,

[0:58:52] Trustee Luckham: and then if you're speaking about the local trust committee bylaws or

[0:58:56] Trustee Luckham: guidelines or regulation, then indeed write to the local trust committee.

[0:59:00] Trustee Luckham: If it's about the policy statement and,

[0:59:02] Trustee Luckham: and it's not that they're exclusive of each other,

[0:59:05] Trustee Luckham: then write to us about that too and we will consider it obviously the policy statement

[0:59:12] Trustee Luckham: is a project that's underway that has some resources behind it and it's evolving as we speak

[0:59:17] Trustee Luckham: pulling out bylaws within the local trust committee would need to be fit into the workflow and

[0:59:28] Trustee Luckham: And we know that there's limited resources, but that.

[0:59:34] Trustee Luckham: And I just wanted to reflect on what Brent has said there.

[0:59:37] Trustee Luckham: And if there's three or four issues that need to be discussed, let's have that discussion.

[0:59:41] Trustee Luckham: And let's come to a place where we understand each other's perspectives and how it is that we can collaborate and work together to come to a common understanding and provide some vision and direction.

[0:59:53] Trustee Luckham: so that all of our interests and points of view are being embraced in some way.

[1:00:00] Trustee Luckham: forward so uh brian back to you and then trustee patrick oh

[1:00:07] Voice 4: okay um yeah uh and mentioned the

[1:00:11] Voice 4: composting regulation and it is literally i thought it was two words but two or three words

[1:00:16] Voice 4: and the composting regulation 323.2 just remove the words produced on site and the problem is

[1:00:24] Voice 4: is solved as far as we can tell.

[1:00:30] Voice 4: And I did not intend with my earlier comments

[1:00:33] Voice 4: to say that the trust is just pretending to like us

[1:00:37] Voice 4: and is actually being mean and nasty.

[1:00:39] Voice 4: I mean, we're participating in this process

[1:00:41] Voice 4: because the trust wanted to do so.

[1:00:44] Voice 4: And here we are, you know, back again.

[1:00:49] Voice 4: We participated every time and we're going to continue.

[1:00:52] Voice 4: Your work is important and we are entirely willing and enthusiastic to work with you.

[1:01:00] Voice 4: However, we do see some disconnects between the positive general statements and the specifics.

[1:01:08] Voice 4: And we want to continue working on those.

[1:01:12] Voice 4: And I mentioned earlier elephants in the room.

[1:01:14] Voice 4: I think it would be good to have a conversation about that in the future because I've sometimes

[1:01:18] Voice 4: times got the feeling that some people who want to just have large numbers of people living on

[1:01:24] Voice 4: their land say, oh, I'm a farmer, so therefore you should say it's okay. Well, maybe that is

[1:01:30] Voice 4: one of the points of friction where we really don't disagree. We just have to find a way to

[1:01:36] Voice 4: differentiate between people who are farming and essentially just want the trust to get out of the

[1:01:44] Voice 4: the way um uh and people who are trying to you know find a way to get permission to do something

[1:01:53] Voice 4: they're otherwise not permitted to do who maybe are doing subsistence agriculture and maybe not

[1:01:59] Voice 4: even doing that and you know there's some difficult choices to be made in there but i haven't been

[1:02:05] Voice 4: partied any conversations about that to date and i think maybe it maybe it's time to talk about it

[1:02:13] Voice 4: farmers and agriculture people don't like to be critical of each other don't like to say the way

[1:02:19] Voice 4: i'm doing it's okay the way you're doing it isn't okay so people get really nervous especially when

[1:02:24] Voice 4: somebody says well i'm a farmer and i need to have 35 people living on my property because that's the

[1:02:29] Voice 4: only way we're just doing it with our hands well i don't want to be judging somebody who says that

[1:02:34] Voice 4: i've never had 35 people living here and i wouldn't know what to do with 35 people but who

[1:02:40] Voice 4: who am I to say, but, you know,

[1:02:43] Voice 4: but I think we do get run into some problems when everybody is tossed into

[1:02:48] Voice 4: one basket with the simple word farmer or agriculture attached to it.

[1:02:54] Voice 4: And I think there'd be some mutual benefit if we could figure out how to,

[1:02:59] Voice 4: so to speak, separate the wheat from the chaff.

[1:03:02] Voice 4: Very good.

[1:03:04] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Brian. Trustee Patrick.

[1:03:06] Trustee Luckham: Patrick?

[1:03:10] Trustee Patrick: I'm just talking out loud because I like to make sure people think of all options. I know

[1:03:18] Trustee Patrick: I am racking my brain. We're about to head into our budget cycle. So, Stefan, cover your ears.

[1:03:26] Trustee Patrick: So, we head into our budget cycle every year and we start fairly early on what projects we need

[1:03:33] Trustee Patrick: need additional resources on because you know we have our immediate staff resources but we have

[1:03:38] Trustee Patrick: we can also you know always go for something else so um you know so think about what it is

[1:03:47] Trustee Patrick: you know is this just a time are these just small um bylaw amendments that need to be made

[1:03:53] Trustee Patrick: and we just need to work on making sure the relationship is and the wording and things are

[1:03:59] Trustee Patrick: are all clear, or is this something bigger

[1:04:02] Trustee Patrick: that needs resources and time put to?

[1:04:04] Trustee Patrick: So I'm challenging you to think about that

[1:04:08] Trustee Patrick: as we kind of formulate what we're working on,

[1:04:12] Trustee Patrick: where we're working on and whether or not

[1:04:15] Trustee Patrick: we can even pursue, I'm not making any promises,

[1:04:17] Trustee Patrick: I'm just saying that that is the process we're in

[1:04:19] Trustee Patrick: on how we have to pay for things and as we go forward.

[1:04:24] Trustee Patrick: very

[1:04:28] Trustee Luckham: good thank you um and now brian i think your hand probably was intended to go down

[1:04:35] Trustee Luckham: um and then brent is your hand up again i

[1:04:40] Voice 13: just have a brief question uh i wanted to thank brian

[1:04:44] Voice 13: i appreciate uh webster those comments and um i think this is probably a good time to get much

[1:04:50] Voice 13: more into in the coming months the year into some of these uh issues but here's a kind of a technical

[1:04:56] Voice 13: question for the planners and a rhetorical question for the trustees does do we have

[1:05:03] Voice 13: maps or do we have addresses has anyone ever mapped farm status on the island does that affect

[1:05:12] Voice 13: our work on the agriculture advisory committee because it seems like it is a relevant issue here

[1:05:21] Voice 13: At the same time, where I live, we had farm status for years, and we're probably more productive now, and for a number of reasons, farm status was not renewed.

[1:05:34] Voice 13: But back to this idea of separating the wheat from the chaff, farm status is a useful marker for understanding what's going on and potentially for decision-making.

[1:05:48] Voice 13: Thanks.

[1:05:49] Voice 13: Thank

[1:05:51] Trustee Luckham: you for drawing our attention to that. And I'm just going to go to, because there was a question in there, Stefan, regional planning manager CIRMAC, a question about, do we have map? Is this map? Do we have addresses?

[1:06:05] Voice 5: Yeah, I believe it's available in BC assessment data, which is uploaded to our property information system. That map could be pretty quickly produced.

[1:06:15] Voice 13: Great. Thank you.

[1:06:16] Trustee Luckham: okay thank you Stefan any anything else another topic or or something and Macy you have your hand

[1:06:26] Trustee Luckham: up there well

[1:06:27] Voice 2: not another topic but just following up on that as well as the farm status I'm sure you

[1:06:32] Voice 2: probably know Brent but there's also the land use maps that the trust did in conjunction with

[1:06:37] Voice 2: the agricultural alliance in the past or and independently I think so that does give a bit

[1:06:43] Voice 2: of indication of what's happening where and whether it's significant enough to actually

[1:06:49] Voice 2: show up so somebody could map it.

[1:06:52] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, thank you for that. And maybe Regional Planning and SHRMAC might be able to answer

[1:07:00] Trustee Luckham: that. And I might just paraphrase a little bit. Indeed, there's a lot of a lot of areas

[1:07:05] Trustee Luckham: are zoned that permit agriculture, but they're not in the ALR and they don't necessarily

[1:07:11] Trustee Luckham: necessarily have farm status, but they are producing possibly even, what do you call that,

[1:07:17] Trustee Luckham: farm gate products. Stefan, do we have a handle on that? That's probably a lot more difficult.

[1:07:25] Voice 5: No, actually, we do have that data. I don't know if we have it in GIS format. I'd have to look

[1:07:32] Voice 5: into that. We do have an agricultural land use inventory that was recently updated to

[1:07:37] Voice 5: assess water consumption and I believe that was done by oh I don't want to get the names wrong

[1:07:44] Voice 5: let's say it was done by an agricultural consultant with some students and they literally

[1:07:49] Voice 5: drove around uh and did an assessment from the road and from where they could access and from

[1:07:54] Voice 5: satellite data who was being productive in what way and what crops and that um that that information

[1:08:00] Voice 5: is out there somewhere unfortunately we changed our website and that was so easily accessible

[1:08:04] Voice 5: at one point and now lord knows where it went so if i get consensus from the group and if it

[1:08:09] Voice 5: pleases the ltc i'd be happy to produce a map and bring it back that one indicates farm status

[1:08:14] Voice 5: according to bc assessment and two that has that agricultural land use inventory the most recent

[1:08:20] Voice 5: information we have that would display what farming is occurring on the island and i'd be

[1:08:25] Voice 5: happy to bring that information back to the next meeting if that's the wish of the group it sounds

[1:08:30] Voice 5: like a very good idea.

[1:08:32] Trustee Luckham: Yeah so I'm presuming you'd want a motion to that effect. It

[1:08:36] Voice 5: would be helpful

[1:08:37] Voice 5: so you don't lose track of it as you know I get a lot of things going on.

[1:08:40] Trustee Luckham: So I'm going to let the

[1:08:41] Trustee Luckham: trustees think about that and Doug Pepper you put up your hand and have something to contribute so

[1:08:46] Trustee Luckham: go ahead.

[1:08:47] Voice 1: Yeah I was just going to back up what Stefan was saying there the province did one

[1:08:53] Voice 1: 2017 and I just actually got a copy of that today I could easily send it in and also send

[1:08:59] Voice 1: And Stefan, the contact to the person that's handling that stuff in the province, Corrine Ressler, and she'll be able to send, I just have the hard copy, she'll be able to send the GIS and all that kind of stuff.

[1:09:14] Voice 1: So I'll make a note of that.

[1:09:17] Trustee Luckham: Okay, well, we'll let you two work together on providing that to the LTC.

[1:09:23] Trustee Luckham: And the LTC, do you want to make a motion there, Peter Grove?

[1:09:27] Trustee Luckham: Well,

[1:09:28] Trustee Grove: I was going to get Stefan Cermak to suggest a motion that would cover what we're

[1:09:36] Trustee Grove: talking about.

[1:09:40] Trustee Luckham: All right.

[1:09:42] Trustee Luckham: Regional Planner Cermak, I realize it's a little unusual.

[1:09:46] Voice 5: Yeah, I feel uncomfortable making a resolution on behalf of the LTC.

[1:09:52] Trustee Grove: No, sorry, excuse me.

[1:09:54] Trustee Grove: You're not making a resolution on behalf of the LTC.

[1:09:56] Trustee Grove: A recommendation.

[1:09:56] Trustee Grove: We asked for some help in constructing a resolution that would meet what we're trying to achieve.

[1:10:04] Voice 5: I can do that, that the LTC direct staff to bring forward to the next special business meeting with the Agriculture Advisory Planning Commission and Agriculture Alliance, the following items, a map indicating farm status, and the most recent agricultural land use inventory.

[1:10:28] Voice 5: And I do know Trustee Patrick already sent me the link.

[1:10:30] Voice 5: She is that fast.

[1:10:33] Trustee Grove: Thank you, Chair.

[1:10:34] Trustee Grove: That's precisely what I was thinking about,

[1:10:37] Trustee Grove: and I would like to make that motion.

[1:10:39] Trustee Luckham: Well, let's see what Rob Pringle has for us,

[1:10:45] Trustee Luckham: and make sure that that's what you want to move,

[1:10:48] Trustee Luckham: and then I'll look for a seconder.

[1:10:50] Trustee Luckham: And so we'll just wait for Rob to get caught up.

[1:10:55] Trustee Luckham: As he's indicated,

[1:10:57] Trustee Luckham: Thank you Rob for stepping up.

[1:11:09] Voice 7: Welcome.

[1:11:10] Voice 7: I got pretty close, I think.

[1:11:20] Voice 7: That's not true yet.

[1:11:27] Voice 7: Oh, that we had the special business meeting.

[1:11:31] Voice 7: Hope you'll allow me to improve that.

[1:11:39] Voice 7: After afterwards.

[1:11:42] Voice 7: And that's.

[1:11:43] Voice 7: Is that what we

[1:11:49] Trustee Grove: were aiming for.

[1:11:51] Trustee Luckham: Peter is that what you'd like to move?

[1:11:54] Trustee Grove: Yes I believe so. I decided to confirm with our RPM

[1:11:57] Trustee Grove: that that's what he was thinking was the right motion at this point. Can

[1:12:03] Trustee Luckham: you just give us a nod

[1:12:05] Trustee Luckham: there Stefan? I'm not

[1:12:09] Trustee Luckham: seeing you on my screen for some reason.

[1:12:12] Voice 5: Sorry I got booted around I guess.

[1:12:14] Voice 5: Yes I confirm that that is more or less what I said.

[1:12:17] Trustee Luckham: All right. In

[1:12:18] Trustee Grove: that case that is the motion

[1:12:20] Trustee Grove: I will make thank you. All

[1:12:22] Trustee Luckham: right then so um and Trustee Patrick has seconded that and um is there

[1:12:30] Trustee Luckham: any discussion from the LTC okay then I'll call for the vote all those in favor that two carries

[1:12:39] Trustee Luckham: and thank you Trustee Brent um so that's great that's a good move for sure um anything else from

[1:12:53] Trustee Luckham: anybody um otherwise i'll conclude it's been a great meeting so uh brian webster's hand up and

[1:13:04] Trustee Luckham: trust and and and brent your hand is up so um i think brent started to speak before brian got

[1:13:12] Trustee Luckham: his hand up so okay i'll

[1:13:14] Voice 13: keep it really short brian is that all right i'll just keep it to

[1:13:18] Voice 13: two sentences i think in the next six months we're going to have to think about um the relationship

[1:13:23] Voice 13: relationship of these decisions around housing, which are inevitable, and water quality.

[1:13:32] Voice 13: When I grew up around here, there were a lot more people on the land making a lot less money

[1:13:36] Voice 13: and a lot more outhouses. Places like Weston Lake were pretty messed up, full of, you know,

[1:13:44] Voice 13: I don't know, phosphates and sewage well into the 80s. So we have relatively clean water right now.

[1:13:50] Voice 13: And all of these decisions, especially when we're dealing with watershed areas, can start having an effect on a resource, which is rather crucial to future agriculture as the climate changes.

[1:14:06] Voice 13: So we're going to be relying on all of our water resources a lot more for viable agriculture.

[1:14:12] Voice 13: And, of course, there's an impact on all these decisions that we've been discussing around housing and building.

[1:14:21] Voice 13: Thank you.

[1:14:23] Trustee Luckham: Thank you.

[1:14:25] Trustee Luckham: Brian, over to you and then Trustee Patrick.

[1:14:30] Voice 4: Sure.

[1:14:30] Voice 4: Sure. I guess I'm mostly just have a question. As the trust committee is likely aware, the fire district and the capital regional district have recently entered into an agreement and understanding that affects the potential future use of the fire hall in Ganges.

[1:14:52] Voice 4: I actually can't tell, even when I blow it up really big in the zoning map, whether that property falls within the PR4A or the C1 zones, and secondly, whether the adjacent lands that are held by the Ministry of Transportation,

[1:15:13] Voice 4: but which potentially could become part of such an agreement around a potential future, essentially, farmer's market in Ganges is in the same zone or not.

[1:15:29] Voice 4: I wonder, do any of the staff have off the top of their head that information?

[1:15:35] Trustee Luckham: Regional Planning Manager Cermak?

[1:15:39] Voice 5: I do have that information.

[1:15:41] Voice 5: So the zoning boundary, it corresponds to the lot boundary there, surprisingly enough. And the lot boundary is primarily around the building itself, especially, well, no, that's not totally correct. It's around the built, what is that facing? Facing the parking lot in front of the fire hall, that's the property boundary.

[1:16:04] Voice 5: So the building is very close, if not on the property boundary, and its accompanying parking lot is to the side of it where there's sort of glass closed-in garages.

[1:16:15] Voice 5: So that's the fire district's lot.

[1:16:18] Voice 5: The parking lot that's in front of it, where I used to love to park when I was dropping off my wife to unload her stuff, it's a great parking spot with a little bit of trees, that is Crownland.

[1:16:30] Voice 5: So that's Modi right away.

[1:16:31] Voice 5: way so that crown land is designated is zone pr4a whereas the actual fire hall and the fire

[1:16:41] Voice 5: hall's parking lot is commercial one it's owned commercial one so i hope that helps

[1:16:47] Voice 5: so

[1:16:49] Voice 4: could i just ask a very quick follow-up you

[1:16:52] Voice 5: bet or i don't know mr chair

[1:16:55] Voice 4: Does that mean if, and this is hypothetical at this point, but if a transaction happened where the Capital Regional District took ownership of that property and they received tenure over the current Ministry of Transportation lands, essentially the parking in front there,

[1:17:16] Voice 4: there. Would we have a problem with the existing zoning in having both indoor and outdoor

[1:17:27] Voice 4: sales taking place on both?

[1:17:31] Voice 5: Great question. I don't know at this very moment, but I'm scrolling

[1:17:35] Voice 5: through the bylaw as we speak. So if the chair doesn't mind, I'll just look at that. It depends

[1:17:41] Voice 5: Depends on the zoning of PR, whatever, 4A, or I better double check what that is, PR4A.

[1:17:49] Voice 5: And so you'll have to take this as off the cuff.

[1:17:54] Voice 5: PR4A allows passive outdoor recreation, active outdoor recreation, and it allows an accessor caretaker's dwelling unit.

[1:18:03] Voice 5: Not in the right way, I'm sure.

[1:18:07] Voice 5: And the A, I'm sure, is for the market.

[1:18:10] Voice 5: Okay, so it says the following additional use is permitted in that zone, accessory intermittent outdoor retail sales to a maximum of 25% lot coverage.

[1:18:22] Voice 5: It's not a lot.

[1:18:24] Voice 5: So it's in the right of way. So the lot would apply pretty much to the Centennial Park, presumably that's where that covers.

[1:18:33] Voice 5: So I would say accessory intermittent outdoor retail sales is not a permitted use in its own because it's not in a lot, it's in the right away.

[1:18:44] Voice 5: Yeah, so I'm not sure how more to respond to that.

[1:18:47] Voice 5: This is one of those moments, Brian, when you look at staff and go, see, you're not supporting us.

[1:18:50] Voice 5: And I have to go, that's

[1:18:51] Voice 3: what the bylaw says.

[1:18:54] Voice 5: So I'd be happy to look into it more.

[1:18:57] Voice 5: But yeah, I've never really considered that question before this very moment.

[1:19:01] Voice 5: yeah

[1:19:02] Voice 4: there's also the issue that c1 doesn't permit outdoor sales of anything other than

[1:19:06] Voice 4: like garden products c1 that's like the most generous

[1:19:13] Voice 5: zone ever um let me just double check

[1:19:15] Voice 5: that that's our primary commercial so sorry mr chair i'm just gonna i know i i'm off the cuff

[1:19:23] Voice 5: but let's see what it allows for indoor allows a lot of things indoor indoor indoor indoor indoor

[1:19:29] Voice 5: indoor, daycare, indoor, commercial, commercial, guests, collection, public service use, draft

[1:19:35] Voice 5: only. Well, I don't have an immediate answer for you. You might be right. You might be wrong. I'm

[1:19:39] Voice 5: not sure. But again, C1 zoning versus PR4A. That's a good question we can follow up for in an inquiry.

[1:19:48] Trustee Luckham: Okay.

[1:19:49] Voice 4: Would you

[1:19:50] Voice 5: like me to do that, Brian? I can contact you directly.

[1:19:53] Voice 4: Sure. As I say, it's all hypothetical at this point. It's between the fire district and the

[1:19:57] Voice 4: the CRD at this moment but hopefully things will evolve in a positive way relatively quickly

[1:20:02] Voice 4: and I think it would be good to be keeping in mind what the current zoning says before anybody

[1:20:08] Voice 4: goes rushing ahead too far.

[1:20:10] Trustee Luckham: Great and as much as maybe that bylaw isn't helpful as things the

[1:20:17] Trustee Luckham: regional planning manager said as bylaw enforcement has said in the past if you don't like the bylaw

[1:20:24] Trustee Luckham: change the bylaw and so this that's what trustees can consider so uh trustee patrick over to you

[1:20:30] Trustee Luckham: other than changing a bylaw right at this moment well

[1:20:33] Trustee Patrick: you're in luck because we do have the ganges

[1:20:35] Trustee Patrick: village planning going on right now and that building is smack dab in the middle and that was

[1:20:40] Trustee Patrick: one of the reasons why we did the plan was because we knew there was a number of very large

[1:20:44] Trustee Patrick: you know changes coming on in our village and that we needed to look at in a comprehensive way so

[1:20:49] Trustee Patrick: So that opportunity is in a resourced project.

[1:20:55] Trustee Patrick: So we can, that one's easy.

[1:20:57] Trustee Patrick: The other one, Brent, the watershed work that you mentioned, we actually, that is another

[1:21:02] Trustee Patrick: project that is resourced and will be moving ahead as a watershed protection strategic

[1:21:06] Trustee Patrick: plan, a five to 10 year plan.

[1:21:08] Trustee Patrick: So there'll be a lot of opportunity to engage in what that looks like and what we need to

[1:21:13] Trustee Patrick: do to be, you know, thinking better and doing better with our watersheds going forward.

[1:21:18] Trustee Patrick: and just because I want to be very provocative and throwing my ideas out there you talk about

[1:21:23] Trustee Patrick: having agriculture being more important well there will be an election coming in just over a year and

[1:21:29] Trustee Patrick: you have a year to twist a young farmer's arm to say hey what an opportunity so I just thought I'd

[1:21:37] Trustee Patrick: plug that because it might take a year of arm twisting to convince someone that that's

[1:21:41] Trustee Patrick: something they want to throw their hat into very

[1:21:47] Trustee Luckham: good all right lots of smiles I like that

[1:21:51] Trustee Luckham: anything else here today

[1:21:53] Voice 2: yes I'd just like to comment I can't find my digital hand I'm sorry

[1:21:58] Voice 2: about that but just following up on the watershed I mean I see this it's very important as far as

[1:22:06] Voice 2: agriculture concern I also see it as a potential area of conflict where we might be finding

[1:22:12] Voice 2: ourselves the agriculture community yet again having to explain to people how we can be part

[1:22:19] Voice 2: of a watershed and help conserve and all you know how agricultural activity can contribute as

[1:22:26] Voice 2: opposed to being the problem yeah um we saw we had some very challenging discussions when we did the

[1:22:35] Voice 2: a whole lot of work with committees around the drinking water quality bylaw changes and

[1:22:48] Voice 2: a lot of it was to do with different understanding from people on that about

[1:22:53] Voice 2: the good and the bad of agriculture and what was a problem and what wasn't and so this is the kind

[1:23:01] Voice 2: of area where we need to be included in all the discussions and there needs to be a education

[1:23:09] Voice 2: i think around the parties all the participants in what kind of agriculture is is going to help

[1:23:17] Voice 2: solve the problem and be conducive to it as opposed to the agriculture practices that

[1:23:24] Voice 2: perhaps we don't want to see and i know theresa you suggested earlier when we were having a

[1:23:30] Voice 2: discussion at the alliance about the value of you know tours taking people to see farms

[1:23:38] Voice 2: that kind of thing that it might be helpful if we do get into committee work or discussions to

[1:23:46] Voice 2: actually consider some of that educational work around it very

[1:23:54] Trustee Luckham: good okay i see more hands up

[1:23:57] Trustee Luckham: Teresa, and then Brent.

[1:23:59] Voice 10: I have a quick question. The fresh water sustainability strategy that was

[1:24:06] Voice 10: mentioned in the report, is there a timeline on that? Is that going to happen sooner or later?

[1:24:15] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Patrick, do you want to step

[1:24:18] Trustee Patrick: in on that one?

[1:24:20] Trustee Patrick: Well, there is the fresh water sustainability. That is a strategic plan being done at the

[1:24:25] Trustee Patrick: federation level that's so that is a federation wide plan and we're expecting to see a draft of

[1:24:34] Trustee Patrick: that plan probably in August sometime I think it's going to be coming to trust council in the

[1:24:40] Trustee Patrick: September meeting is the is the is the plan on that and if you're interested in that we can just

[1:24:44] Trustee Patrick: try to remember to send you a link as soon as there's a draft that's that that's out there

[1:24:51] Trustee Patrick: there but that's it is like i said it's it's the high level um there and i think from probably one

[1:24:58] Trustee Patrick: of the things that i know that you'd probably be interested in seeing it was a really cool it was

[1:25:02] Trustee Patrick: a round table well done round table i can't say agriculture was well voiced but um there was a

[1:25:07] Trustee Patrick: good representation there and one of the things they talked about was um harmonizing um all the

[1:25:13] Trustee Patrick: approvals related to water you know because you have to go to flynn row to get a license you have

[1:25:17] Trustee Patrick: to go over here to get this and over there so there there was a commitment made of the different

[1:25:21] Trustee Patrick: agencies that were at the table to harmonize that process.

[1:25:28] Trustee Luckham: Thank you, Laura.

[1:25:30] Trustee Luckham: Brent, over to you.

[1:25:31] Voice 13: Just a short, thanks.

[1:25:33] Voice 13: Just a short response to Anne.

[1:25:36] Voice 13: Appreciate what you said in terms of, you know,

[1:25:38] Voice 13: macro concern for agriculture.

[1:25:40] Voice 13: I'm more concerned about the process that would allow

[1:25:43] Voice 13: more housing on agricultural land

[1:25:49] Voice 13: and making sure that some,

[1:25:52] Voice 13: And it's probably in the good planners have this all worked out, but making sure that issues of septic and drainage, we keep in mind that a lot of these freshwater systems are functioning close to carrying capacity.

[1:26:12] Voice 13: And when careless housing and additional human waste is involved, it can start to get into fresh water that then ends up being used for agriculture in ways that could, you know, degrade the agriculture and potentially even make people sick.

[1:26:33] Voice 13: So it's that relationship between expanded housing on the ALR that I'm particularly concerned about.

[1:26:41] Voice 13: very

[1:26:44] Trustee Luckham: good thank you um anything else today we've had a pretty good discussion we've certainly got

[1:26:54] Trustee Luckham: some work cut out for the staff thank you and um i see uh teresa your hand is up again and

[1:27:03] Trustee Luckham: brent i'm assuming your hand maybe wants to

[1:27:05] Voice 9: go sure i i

[1:27:08] Voice 10: just have another question i don't know

[1:27:10] Voice 10: if you can answer this but um there was a lot of engagement done to date on the policy statement

[1:27:16] Voice 10: and I was wondering I mean I know there's a what we heard report but I was wondering if there were

[1:27:21] Voice 10: any comments that you heard about agriculture that were quite pertinent or informative that

[1:27:29] Voice 10: we need to hear like what is the feedback you're getting from the community about agriculture

[1:27:35] Voice 10: maybe staff can help with that answer since they probably went through all

[1:27:40] Voice 10: the feedback

[1:27:41] Voice 10: feedback? Well, the

[1:27:43] Trustee Luckham: staff that are with us today aren't actually the key staff that are involved

[1:27:48] Trustee Luckham: in consolidating that information. I, you know, I do think that the policy statement, the current

[1:27:55] Trustee Luckham: version is a reflection of that. I know that it is a reflection of that. But I would also say that,

[1:28:01] Trustee Luckham: you know, generally, agriculture is respected, and is recognized as a necessity. But there are

[1:28:11] Trustee Luckham: certainly those that have concerns about the impacts that agriculture have and so that's

[1:28:17] Trustee Luckham: where we need to apply ourselves is to come to reconcile that in some way. Trustees and I'll

[1:28:24] Trustee Luckham: just I'm going to just ask the trustees rather than ask staff if you have anything that stands

[1:28:29] Trustee Luckham: out for you for that question that's a really good question and we will be exploring that of

[1:28:35] Trustee Luckham: of course, further in the next five months

[1:28:38] Trustee Luckham: that we're entering into another level of engagement.

[1:28:42] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Patrick or Trustee Grove?

[1:28:43] Trustee Luckham: Trustee Patrick, over to you.

[1:28:45] Trustee Patrick: Well, I can't say I'm familiar enough with the reports

[1:28:48] Trustee Patrick: to remember what was mentioned,

[1:28:50] Trustee Patrick: but I do chair both North Pender and South Pender

[1:28:52] Trustee Patrick: local trust committees and in North Pender,

[1:28:56] Trustee Patrick: they're doing an agricultural land use bylaw review.

[1:29:01] Trustee Patrick: And they have an AAPC as well.

[1:29:04] Trustee Patrick: I think they have more PhDs on their AAPC than I've ever seen before. So they have a very active

[1:29:09] Trustee Patrick: and passionate agricultural community and as well as South Pender. So I know their voice is very loud

[1:29:15] Trustee Patrick: and I know they would be particularly interested in, you know, seeing improved wording in the

[1:29:22] Trustee Patrick: policy statement as well. So I can't speak for, you know, too many of the other islands. I'm sure

[1:29:28] Trustee Patrick: I think Denman has a big agricultural grounds too. So I think you're going to find a lot of

[1:29:34] Trustee Patrick: support, you were not different in what you're saying, what you're trying to do and position

[1:29:39] Trustee Patrick: than what I'm hearing from the other islands.

[1:29:43] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, agreed. And Denman, you know, Laskiti,

[1:29:46] Trustee Luckham: Hornby, Gabriola have interest. And even here on Thetis Island, we have a fairly active farming

[1:29:56] Trustee Luckham: group anyway, as well as a lot of other things. And there's a lot of interest.

[1:30:01] Trustee Grove: peter grove

[1:30:01] Trustee Luckham: no

[1:30:02] Trustee Grove: i didn't think i have anything useful to say other than what has been said

[1:30:06] Trustee Grove: already thank you all right peter um anything else all

[1:30:16] Trustee Luckham: right so maybe we've talked ourselves

[1:30:18] Trustee Luckham: out on this uh it's nice that it's a little cooler today and uh hopefully we might uh retain some of

[1:30:24] Trustee Luckham: that coolness i'm sure that you appreciated the uh the farmers certainly appreciate the

[1:30:28] Trustee Luckham: the dew this morning we had that on thetis and i imagine it was elsewhere and um let's look forward

[1:30:35] Trustee Luckham: to a safe summer and i'll go to region planning manager sir mac he has a final remark here

[1:30:41] Voice 5: thank you uh thank you mr chair i would just like to comment that

[1:30:47] Voice 5: doug pepper forwarded me information from a contact in the government bc it's a it's a connect

[1:30:54] Voice 5: as did uh trustee patrick it's a connection to the salt spring island agricultural land

[1:30:59] Voice 5: use inventory of 2017 and within it as a series of maps that include identifying what's in the

[1:31:06] Voice 5: agricultural land reserve and various status. So I've asked Rob real quickly if he can forward it

[1:31:15] Voice 5: to all your contacts so you have the information at your fingertips, but I will also bring it to

[1:31:19] Voice 5: the next meeting just so you've got something to chew on between now and then. Brilliant,

[1:31:24] Trustee Luckham: very proactive thank you um any other comments or remarks today or close or closing remarks

[1:31:32] Trustee Luckham: okay well everybody thank you i do enjoy these these conversations with you and i look forward

[1:31:42] Trustee Luckham: to our next one which will be after your season is done so i wish you all success and not too

[1:31:48] Trustee Luckham: many troubles with the heat and the and the drought uh rob pringle you have something

[1:31:53] Trustee Luckham: uh

[1:31:55] Voice 7: we added the one note uh future meeting uh on reconciliation

[1:32:04] Trustee Luckham: brilliant thank you very much i got so probably

[1:32:06] Voice 7: added it to the agenda that we didn't have

[1:32:09] Voice 7: that this yeah first agenda rather than the second one so okay i'm

[1:32:14] Trustee Luckham: not sure if i got i

[1:32:16] Trustee Patrick: can be very

[1:32:16] Trustee Patrick: quick.

[1:32:17] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, let's go to Laura Patrick to speak about future meetings regarding reconciliation.

[1:32:25] Trustee Luckham: This

[1:32:26] Trustee Patrick: is for an offer from Lisa Wilcox. She's the daughter of John Wilcox, which some of you may

[1:32:31] Trustee Patrick: have known, a prominent farmer on this island for many, many, many years. And she's offered to

[1:32:37] Trustee Patrick: either, you know, we could have a separate meeting outside of here with your members on sort of,

[1:32:42] Trustee Patrick: you know reconciliations rights and titles some of you know there's all these what's kind of

[1:32:47] Trustee Patrick: happening and and uh and it's it's i participated with her she we did it with arts council um and

[1:32:53] Trustee Patrick: and since then they went off and did their their whole they had their art program this year where

[1:32:58] Trustee Patrick: they extended the the geography for uh indigenous artists to be the traditional territory instead of

[1:33:05] Trustee Patrick: the normal geographic territory they had so uh it's it's just interesting conversations and

[1:33:10] Trustee Patrick: And so it's more of an offer.

[1:33:12] Trustee Patrick: You don't have to make a decision today, think about it.

[1:33:14] Trustee Patrick: And if you'd like, you know,

[1:33:16] Trustee Patrick: when would that be a good time to try to schedule something?

[1:33:18] Trustee Patrick: And she'd be, she offered that.

[1:33:23] Trustee Patrick: And Lisa's our intergovernmental agency advisor here.

[1:33:30] Trustee Patrick: I can never get her title,

[1:33:32] Trustee Patrick: but she works for the Islands Trust.

[1:33:36] Trustee Luckham: Very good.

[1:33:37] Trustee Luckham: Any thoughts about that from anyone?

[1:33:40] Trustee Luckham: one. I see Jan Steinman.

[1:33:44] Voice 3: Well, I would appreciate knowing what role farmers can play and what

[1:33:52] Voice 3: liaison there is available. We have received, as a not-for-profit, we have received kind of

[1:33:59] Voice 3: summer jobs grants, and we've reached out to the Say What Nation and said we would give preferential

[1:34:06] Voice 3: hiring to an Aboriginal person and we received no reply. This is three years in a row. And so

[1:34:13] Voice 3: I would like to see some form of formal liaison and some way for us to have better involvement

[1:34:21] Voice 3: with Aboriginal people because our efforts have not come to anything.

[1:34:29] Trustee Luckham: Okay. Well, that's

[1:34:30] Trustee Luckham: uh definitely worthy of some thought and uh perhaps there's other nations um that would be

[1:34:38] Trustee Luckham: interested at the LTC level we certainly know there's interest from Malahat Nation and Cowichan

[1:34:43] Trustee Luckham: Tribes and others of course um so um yeah um some food for thought there for sure um

[1:34:55] Trustee Luckham: I'm just going to make a remark here that our next meeting is November and the policy statement

[1:35:07] Trustee Luckham: will be progressing over the summer and the fall here and so would absolutely encourage you to keep

[1:35:14] Trustee Luckham: your eye out for those public engagement opportunities and whether you come as

[1:35:20] Trustee Luckham: individuals or whether you come representing your organization, I certainly would appreciate

[1:35:28] Trustee Luckham: for you to all make that effort to get your voices in. November may be bordering on a little

[1:35:36] Trustee Luckham: late for us to be able to really include anything that might come from this informal body of the

[1:35:43] Trustee Luckham: the LTC and yourselves. So encourage you to keep an eye on that. And we're going to make every

[1:35:50] Trustee Luckham: effort to make sure that it isn't missed by anybody. And would appreciate hearing your

[1:35:56] Trustee Luckham: very valuable points of view on agriculture and the Allen's Trust. So appreciate that.

[1:36:03] Trustee Luckham: Anything else from anyone? And so yeah, our next meeting is November. I think that pretty much

[1:36:12] Trustee Luckham: and let us call this meeting adjourned and if there's no further comments or remarks and I

[1:36:20] Trustee Luckham: thank you all very much for being here.

[1:36:22] Trustee Grove: It'll be it and thank you all.

[1:36:24] Trustee Luckham: Thank you. Thanks for having me.

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Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of a Special Meeting 
 
 
Date: Thursday, July 15, 2021 
  
Location: Electronic Meeting 
200-1627 Fort Street, Victoria
 
  
Members Present: Peter Luckham, Chair  
Laura Patrick, Local Trustee 
Peter Grove, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Stefan Cermak, Regional Planning Manager (RPM) 
Geordie Gordon, Planner 2 
Kristine Mayes, Planner 1 
Rob Pingle, Recorder  
  
Others Present: 
 
Brent Brochu-Ingram, Agricultural Advisory Planning Committee  
Theresa Duynstee, Agricultural Alliance 
Jan Steinman, Agricultural Advisory Planning Committee 
Anne Macey, Agricultural Alliance 
Doug Pepper, Ministry of Agriculture 
Conrad Pilon, Agricultural Advisory Planning Committee  
Ken Byron, Agricultural Advisory Planning Committee  
Nathan Roberson, Agricultural Advisory Planning Committee 
Brian Webster
, 
Agricultural Alliance
 
One member of the public  
  
These minutes follow the order of the agenda although the sequence may have varied.  
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
  
Chair Luckham called the meeting to order at 4:02 p.m. and welcomed everyone to an electronic 
meeting of the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee. Chair Luckham introduced himself, the 
Trustees and staff and acknowledged that the Local Trust Committee is meeting within Coast 
Salish Territory. Introductions were carried out. 
 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
 
By  general  consent the  agenda was approved with  the  addition  of Future  Meeting  on 
Reconciliation. 
 

 
 
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3. BUSINESS ITEMS 
 
 3.1   Local Trust Committee Chair's Welcome and Opening Remarks  
Chair Luckham reported this meeting is an opportunity for the Salt Spring Island Local Trust 
Committee  to  have  a  discussion  with  the  members  of  the  Salt  Spring  Island  Agricultural 
Advisory  Planning  Commission  (AAPC)  and  representatives  of  the  Salt  Spring  Island 
Agricultural Alliance on agriculture related issues. 
 
3.2 Minutes  from  the  February  11,  2021  Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust  Committee and 
Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission Meeting 
 
The minutes were received for information. 
3.3 SS-ALR-2021.1 – K. Tuttle – 231 Meadow Drive, SSI 
         Planner Gordon presented a verbal update on this application for information. 
In discussion the following comments were noted: 
 Concern was expressed and addressed about the agricultural activity on the property. 
 Question  was  raised  about  the  project  being  in  line  with  the  new Agricultural  Land 
Commission (ALC) directives. 
 3.4 ALC Information Update, dated July 12, 2021  
The ALC Information Update was received.   
 
In discussion the following comments were noted: 
 
Concern was expressed about the relationship between the Islands Trust and the ALC 
with these new rules in place and RPM Cermak discussed the implications.
 
 
A concern was addressed about the increased ability for farm worker housing to limit 
the amount of farm land available.
 
 
The Area Farm Plan was discussed as a document that will help provide local guidance 
to the implementation of these new rules.
 
 
A question was raised about increasing farmworker housing on non-Agricultural Land 
Reserve (ALR) land. 
 
 
A question was raised if a framework was possible for Islands Trust to limit expansion of 
housing on Agricultural Land Reserve (ALR) land unless farming was present.
 
 
A  question  was  raised  about  filing  a  notice  of  intent  about  soil  movement  in 
development  of a  residential  property. Ministry  staff  noted  that  this  was  to  ensure 
agricultural land was keep as undisturbed as possible; Salt Spring Island Local Trust Area 
Soil  Removal  and  Deposit  Regulation Bylaw No. 418  was  noted  as  a  similar  local 
regulation.
 
 

 
 
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SS-2021-140 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to prepare a report on options 
to  amend  bylaws  to  accommodate  the Agricultural  Land  Commission July  12, 2021 
announcement on residential flexibility in consideration of the 2020 Salt Spring Island Area 
Farm Plan Renewal. 
CARRIED 
 
  3.5 Discussion of Agricultural Priorities
 
 
In discussion the following comments were noted: 
 
A question was raised about the Islands Trust Council Policy Statement and how the 
Islands Trust perceives the importance of agriculture.
 
 
Chair Luckham spoke to the role of staff in the advancing of applications or policies to 
ensure the options presented are in alignment with all rules and regulations and that 
Trustees have more flexibility to make decisions.
 
 
Support was expressed for the advancement of agricultural activities in our community.
 
 
Islands Trust Policy Statement 4.4.2 was referred to and it was suggested “food security” 
be changed to “local food production”. 
 
 
Encouragement  was  given  to  work  towards  a  region  wide  discussion  on  agriculture 
within the Islands Trust area.
 
 
Section 3.23.2 of Bylaw No. 355 (Composting Regulations) was referred to and it was 
suggested removing  the  words “produced  onsite” would  result  in  easier  creation  of 
composting facilities on Salt Spring Island. 
 
 
The budget cycle was referred to as something to consider when advancing ideas that 
are agricultural related.
 
 
A question was raised about the possibility to map the properties that are accessing farm 
status through BC Assessment and staff commented that it was possible.
 
 
It was suggested that there are land use maps available to gain a better understanding 
of agriculture in the Islands Trust, the agricultural land use inventory was referred to as 
a form of similar information and Ministry staff agreed, stating they could provide some 
resources.
 
 
SS-2021-141 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to bring forward to the next 
special business meeting with the AAPC and AG Alliance the following items: a map indicating 
farm status and the most recent agricultural land use inventory. 
CARRIED
 
 

 
 
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Discussion continued and the following comments were noted: 
 A concern regarding water quality was raised as a major impact to viable agriculture with 
the increased impacts of climate change. 
 Questions were raised about the viability of the current Ganges Fire Hall being converted 
into a farmers market with the current zoning. Staff explained the zoning of the hall is 
Commercial 1 (C1) and the parking lot in front of it is Park and Reserves variant a (PR4(a)). 
 Further  discussion  ensued  about  the  ability  of  those  zones  to  allow  for  indoor  and 
outdoor farmers markets. Staff could not provide clear advice on that and offered to 
provide a review of the zoning regulations to the Agricultural Alliance. 
 It was noted that the Ganges Village Plan Project will be a good opportunity to address 
the above point. 
 It was noted that the watershed issue might be a point of conflict between the general 
community and farmers as there is misunderstanding about the good and the bad of 
agriculture. 
 There was an inquiry about the timeline on the watershed planning that is happening 
within the Islands Trust. 
 Concern was raised about the issues of septic systems and drainage due to additional 
housing on farm land having a negative impact on the watershed and farm land. 
 Feedback regarding agriculture as it relates to the Policy Statement was requested. 
 
3.6 Future meeting regarding reconciliation 
 
 
Trustee  Patrick  brought  forward  an  offer  from  Staff  Lisa  Wilcox  to present  an  education 
session on implementing reconciliation as it pertains to agriculture. 
 
In discussion the following comments were noted: 
 A  request  of  assistance  in  establishing the  role  of  farmers  in  ways  to  improve 
relationships with First Nations was expressed. 
  

 
 
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4. ADJOURNMENT 
 
The next meeting is scheduled on November 18, 2021. 
 
 
By general consent the meeting adjourned at 5:36 p.m. 
 
 
 
 
_________________________ 
Peter Luckham, Chair 
 
CERTIFIED CORRECT: 
 
 
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Rob Pingle, Recorder