Islands Trust Council regular meeting, July 28, 2021

[0:00:00] Voice 10: Okay, well, welcome to our meeting today about the Islands Trust draft new policy statement that's been sent out for referral comment.

[0:00:08] Voice 10: Thank you for attending and to those of you who watch it later. Thanks for watching this recording.

[0:00:13] Voice 10: My name is Claire Freider. I'm the Director of Trust Area Services with Islands Trust, and I'm here with colleagues today to give you some background information and answer any questions you may have about the process or the document.

[0:00:27] Voice 10: So maybe I'll turn now to my colleague, we'll start with Delaunay to introduce herself and we'll move through the other colleagues.

[0:00:35] Voice 10: And then we'll move on into the presentation.

[0:00:39] Voice 9: Sure. Thanks, Claire. So my name is Delaunay Hippla.

[0:00:43] Voice 9: I'm very grateful today to be joining from the territory of the Tlahoos, Tla'Amin and Humulco Nations.

[0:00:49] Voice 9: And I serve as the Senior Policy Advisor for Islands Trust.

[0:00:54] Voice 9: Trust and happy to be with you here today to help walk you through some of the policy statement

[0:01:01] Voice 9: amendments.

[0:01:03] Voice 10: Thank you, Delaney, and that reminds me, I'd like to acknowledge that I'm coming from

[0:01:06] Voice 10: the Wasanich Territory and grateful to be here. And I'll move across my screen now to Lisa.

[0:01:13] Voice 8: Yeah, Chukmahath, Queensland, my name is Lisa Wilcox. I'm the Senior Intergovernmental Policy

[0:01:19] Voice 8: Policy Advisor here at Islands Trust. I'm grateful to be joining you today from the Lekwungen Speaking

[0:01:26] Voice 8: People's Territory of the Songhees and Esquimalt people and really glad that we could gather

[0:01:33] Voice 8: together to talk about these important parts of the work that we're undertaking here at the Islands

[0:01:38] Voice 8: Trust.

[0:01:40] Voice 10: Thank you Lisa and over to David.

[0:01:44] Voice 1: Yeah good afternoon I'm coming to you from the Lekwungen

[0:01:48] Voice 1: and speaking people's territory in Victoria so thank you very much and I'm the director of local

[0:01:54] Voice 1: planning services and just going to be talking to you a little bit about the referral process

[0:01:59] Voice 1: that we're using for this project thank you great

[0:02:04] Voice 10: thank you and with that perhaps I'll ask Delaney

[0:02:07] Voice 10: to bring the presentation on screen sure

[0:02:09] Voice 9: and I'll just mention to any of the attendees in the

[0:02:13] Voice 9: the waiting room or in the attendee list,

[0:02:16] Voice 9: I've promoted everyone to panelists

[0:02:19] Voice 9: so that you can join us here in the Zoom room.

[0:02:21] Voice 9: So you might have to accept that invitation.

[0:02:24] Voice 9: And so we'll start the presentation now

[0:02:27] Voice 9: and check again at the Q&A period

[0:02:30] Voice 9: if there's any more attendees.

[0:02:32] Voice 10: Okay.

[0:02:33] Voice 10: And as we move into the presentation,

[0:02:35] Voice 10: we'll let the new attendees know

[0:02:36] Voice 10: we are recording the session.

[0:02:38] Voice 10: So we'll be recording during the question and answer session.

[0:02:41] Voice 10: and plead us please do let us know if you have concerns with that but we'd like to make your

[0:02:46] Voice 10: questions and answers available to anyone who watches this recording later so that they can

[0:02:51] Voice 10: benefit from the information that's shared so thank you for coming today we're hoping that

[0:02:56] Voice 10: this information session is useful to you and we're pleased to be at this point in the project

[0:03:01] Voice 10: and look forward to sharing some good information I think now we're going to hand over to Lisa to

[0:03:08] Voice 10: provide an acknowledgement for us to start off the meeting in a good way yeah

[0:03:15] Voice 8: the islands trust

[0:03:17] Voice 8: would like to respectfully acknowledge that we live and work in the territory of many

[0:03:23] Voice 8: co-salish nations that we are honored to be living in this place and we recognize the treaty

[0:03:32] Voice 8: territorial rights and title of the nations and the lands and waters that they have called home

[0:03:38] Voice 8: since time immemorial.

[0:03:40] Voice 8: Our acknowledgement is just a small part of the work that we undertake

[0:03:45] Voice 8: to recognize and reflect reconciliation.

[0:03:52] Voice 10: Thank you.

[0:03:53] Voice 10: Thank you very much, Lisa.

[0:03:54] Voice 10: And now we'll just move into an overview of the session

[0:03:58] Voice 10: and give you an outline of what we're going to talk about today.

[0:04:02] Voice 10: So generally, we've set up the presentation into two parts.

[0:04:05] Voice 10: One is just a general overview of the scope of the project

[0:04:08] Voice 10: and the Islands Trust itself and the referral process and we'll pause then for the first

[0:04:13] Voice 10: question and answer session and then we'll move into part two which gives you sort of more thematic

[0:04:17] Voice 10: overviews of the amendments themselves and the priorities set by Trust Council and we'll let

[0:04:22] Voice 10: you know where to find more information if you have remaining questions and we'll have a final

[0:04:26] Voice 10: question and answer period. So with that maybe we'll move on and I'll just give you a just a

[0:04:33] Voice 10: general overview for those who don't know of the Islands Trust itself. So the Islands Trust is a

[0:04:38] Voice 10: special purpose government established through provincial legislation called the Islands Trust

[0:04:42] Voice 10: Act. And we are mandated to preserve and protect over 450 islands and the surrounding waters in

[0:04:48] Voice 10: the Salish Sea. It is unique in the world. It's really a unique agency and has been in existence

[0:04:55] Voice 10: for about 45 years now. There's a strong focus on conservation oriented land use planning and

[0:05:01] Voice 10: the Islands Trust has the land use planning responsibilities that are typically undertaken

[0:05:04] Voice 10: taken by regional districts but in our special area those have been those powers have been given

[0:05:09] Voice 10: to the Islands Trust. We also take on a great deal of effort around First Nations engagement

[0:05:15] Voice 10: and really look at working in a collaborative way. We are also focused on public engagement

[0:05:21] Voice 10: through this process and in general working with communities to advance the preserve and protect

[0:05:27] Voice 10: mandate. Through the Islands Trust Act also we are invited to work in cooperation with others

[0:05:33] Voice 10: and have a number of ways in which we work with interagency cooperation.

[0:05:38] Voice 10: And we also advocate on behalf of the mandate on topics that are important to communities and to Trust Council.

[0:05:45] Voice 10: And finally, we undertake education programming on areas related to the mandate,

[0:05:50] Voice 10: mostly around stewardship education and taking care of the natural environment.

[0:05:56] Voice 10: We'll note that there are two bodies within the Trust.

[0:06:00] Voice 10: there's trust council which is the body that is leading this project and the policy statement but

[0:06:05] Voice 10: also we have an island's trust conservancy which acts as our in-house land trust and we just wanted

[0:06:10] Voice 10: to let you know that there are those two bodies but this policy statement project is being led by

[0:06:15] Voice 10: trust council but it's done in collaboration with the island's trust conservancy board

[0:06:19] Voice 10: i'll invite my colleagues to jump in if i miss anything but unless there's something major we'll

[0:06:24] Voice 10: move on and we'll just show you a map of the region to let you know the islands and waters

[0:06:28] Voice 10: that we're talking about here. So we span about 5,200 square kilometers and there's more than 450

[0:06:35] Voice 10: islands broken out into 13 different jurisdictions called local trust committee areas and for Bowen

[0:06:42] Voice 10: Island they have voted to become a municipality and so they are an island municipality under the

[0:06:47] Voice 10: Islands Trust Act. And so this is an area of heightened ecological and cultural sensitivity

[0:06:54] Voice 10: which is why we have a special act that we do and we work so hard to preserve and protect all the values in this region.

[0:07:03] Voice 10: And next slide, please. And just to give you some context as to where we sit within the province in our guiding documents,

[0:07:12] Voice 10: there's the Islands Trust Act established by the province.

[0:07:14] Voice 10: And within that, it gives us this italicized clause, which we call our object or the act calls the object or otherwise known as the mandate,

[0:07:22] Voice 10: which says that we are to preserve and protect the trust area and its unique amenities and

[0:07:27] Voice 10: environment for the benefit of the residents of the trust area and of British Columbia generally

[0:07:32] Voice 10: in cooperation with municipalities, regional districts, improvement districts, other persons

[0:07:37] Voice 10: and organizations, and the government of British Columbia. I would note that trust council has

[0:07:42] Voice 10: asked the province to add First Nations to this clause. And this is where you come in. So as the

[0:07:48] Voice 10: Islands Trust is developing a draft new policy statement, we want to work in cooperation. We

[0:07:53] Voice 10: want to know and be informed by a diversity of perspectives and ensure that what we're doing

[0:07:58] Voice 10: is being done cooperatively and in a really good informed way. And so we look to you to help us do

[0:08:03] Voice 10: that. So thank you for your time and the energy that you're going to put into reviewing this

[0:08:08] Voice 10: document. Under the Act, it calls for the Islands Trust to have a policy statement. And this is

[0:08:14] Voice 10: meant to be a general statement of the policies of trust council to carry out the island's trust

[0:08:18] Voice 10: object and the last time this was adopted was 1994. so you can imagine the world and the context

[0:08:25] Voice 10: in which we govern has changed a great deal and so at 2021 now we are looking at updating and

[0:08:32] Voice 10: modernizing this document to reflect current values concerns and opportunities so thank you

[0:08:39] Voice 10: you for joining us in that journey. Now we're going to play a small video for you that we made

[0:08:45] Voice 10: available at the beginning of this project to help everyone understand what we're doing and why we're

[0:08:50] Voice 10: doing it. So I'll ask Delaney to play this. It's, I think, just a few minutes long. It shouldn't take

[0:08:55] Voice 10: too long, and hopefully we'll give

[0:08:57] Voice 3: you some perspective on the project. Oh, and we have no

[0:09:03] Voice 3: audio there, Delaney. Sorry, I have to unmute myself. Hey, I'm

[0:09:12] Voice 11: Isla, and I'm here to tell you

[0:09:14] Voice 11: something very special. Islands 2050 is your chance to have your say on the future of one

[0:09:19] Voice 11: of Canada's most beautiful but fragile regions, the Trust Area of British Columbia. By participating,

[0:09:26] Voice 11: you will help the Islands Trust redefine its policy statement to meet future challenges.

[0:09:31] Voice 11: Now, you're probably thinking, what the heck is a policy statement? Well, as you may know,

[0:09:36] Voice 11: the Islands Trust has a mandate to preserve and protect the Trust Area. It's the sort of mandate

[0:09:41] Voice 11: mandate that most of us can get behind. I mean, who doesn't want to protect this beautiful historical and ecological significant place for future generations, where we might have differences of opinion is in how best to achieve that mandate, and what our

[0:09:55] Voice 11: priorities should be. And this is where the policy statement comes in.

[0:10:00] Voice 11: It's the policy statement that defines how the island's trust achieves its preserve and protect mandate in practice.

[0:10:05] Voice 11: So when a local trust committee or island municipality makes a decision about how a

[0:10:11] Voice 11: particular parcel of land will be used, it's the policy statement that ultimately guides

[0:10:15] Voice 11: that decision. Now the current policy statement was adopted in 1994. To some of us, meat for

[0:10:21] Voice 11: example, that doesn't sound too long ago. But to put that into perspective, in 1994,

[0:10:27] Voice 11: Jean Chrétien was prime minister, Forrest Gump was top of the box office, and Sony PlayStation

[0:10:32] Voice 11: station had just been launched. While the current policy statement has some cool stuff in it,

[0:10:37] Voice 11: including ecosystem protection, stewardship of resources, healthy and sustainable communities.

[0:10:43] Voice 11: There's no mention of climate crisis, there's no mention of First Nations and reconciliation

[0:10:48] Voice 11: processes, and there's other ways things have changed over that time. Development pressure

[0:10:53] Voice 11: has altered the landscapes of Vancouver, Victoria, and Seattle. Island populations are aging and

[0:10:59] Voice 11: changing there has been unprecedented growth in trade and the expansion of nearby ports and ever

[0:11:06] Voice 11: increasing tanker traffic and cargo ships maneuvering through the trust area so is a

[0:11:11] Voice 11: document with the priorities of 1994 appropriate to face these challenges a generation ago we asked

[0:11:18] Voice 11: the public what they felt the island's trust priorities should be to preserve and protect

[0:11:22] Voice 11: the trust area now trust council is going to update the guiding document again to reflect

[0:11:27] Voice 11: current issues and concerns? We are asking for renewed visions and ideas. What do you

[0:11:34] Voice 11: value about the trust area? What changes have you noticed in the trust area? What concerns do you

[0:11:40] Voice 11: have about the future of the trust area? What opportunities do you see to preserve and protect

[0:11:45] Voice 11: the trust area? How can we best protect the Salish Sea and marine life? Want to find out more? Visit

[0:11:52] Voice 11: our website. Thanks,

[0:12:01] Voice 10: Delani. So with that, I just wanted to give you a general overview of the

[0:12:06] Voice 10: project timeline this is a multi-year project that really got going we've you know we've been

[0:12:11] Voice 10: looking at it for years but really in 2019 this term of elected office for the trust council they

[0:12:18] Voice 10: set up a multi-year project with the intention of getting it done by the end of this term

[0:12:24] Voice 10: so we've been out for public engagement twice on broad on broad issues and values and on policy

[0:12:31] Voice 10: directions. And now we had the intention of going to first reading and then going out for further

[0:12:36] Voice 10: public engagement. However, Trust Council has decided instead to go to public engagement and

[0:12:41] Voice 10: postpone first reading until they receive more feedback. So that is now happening with the

[0:12:46] Voice 10: intention of going to first reading for December or March. But we are proceeding with the referral

[0:12:52] Voice 10: process at the direction of Trust Council in parallel with that public engagement process

[0:12:56] Voice 10: process to both agencies and organizations and First Nations.

[0:13:00] Voice 10: So that is happening through summer and fall.

[0:13:03] Voice 10: And we will be reporting back to Trust

[0:13:06] Voice 10: Council on proposing when first reading should now happen.

[0:13:10] Voice 10: We would note that the results and input from the public engagement and First

[0:13:15] Voice 10: Nation processes to date are posted to the Islands 2050 web page and are available

[0:13:19] Voice 10: there. And if you have any questions, we'd be happy to help you find what you're

[0:13:22] Voice 10: looking for. And I would just check with my colleagues

[0:13:25] Voice 10: if there's anything to add and if not i will hand the floor over to david okay

[0:13:30] Voice 1: thank you claire just

[0:13:32] Voice 1: wanted to take a couple of slides here just to explain the referral process and what you've

[0:13:37] Voice 1: received from us we're following the same process that we use for official community plans that is

[0:13:45] Voice 1: a we'll send out a referral to you you've received a referral form with a bit of information on it

[0:13:53] Voice 1: And then links to the website to provide more information if you'd like to see that.

[0:13:58] Voice 1: And then a referral response form. So the timing is listed here on the screen.

[0:14:03] Voice 1: We would like to get your responses back by October 22nd.

[0:14:09] Voice 1: And then if you go to the next slide. So the response form is pretty simple, but you can obviously add more to this.

[0:14:18] Voice 1: You don't have to just tick this off. If you would like to provide some more specific details,

[0:14:23] Voice 1: Please do so. So the four checkboxes here generally is after you've had a look at the document.

[0:14:30] Voice 1: If you don't see any concerns with it, then the first one is approval recommended.

[0:14:35] Voice 1: And then you can put reasons below if you would like to.

[0:14:40] Voice 1: The second box is approval recommended subject to conditions.

[0:14:43] Voice 1: So you might have some minor concerns, but generally you're OK with it.

[0:14:48] Voice 1: so please specify what those concerns are so that we can address them and then interest and affected

[0:14:54] Voice 1: by the bylaw if you don't feel there's any concern or you just don't feel there's a need to review it

[0:15:01] Voice 1: then please check that and send that back to us and then the last one is if you see concerns in

[0:15:07] Voice 1: the document related to your area of jurisdiction so for example if you're a ministry and there's

[0:15:14] Voice 1: something in here that you feel might cause problems or you just have severe concerns with

[0:15:20] Voice 1: this is where you would indicate approval not recommended and we would like to know specifically

[0:15:25] Voice 1: what those reasons are and if you do find yourself at this stage please give us a call because we can

[0:15:33] Voice 1: probably talk to you in advance before you send your response and we might be able to help you

[0:15:38] Voice 1: out with some of it but we do want to know if you have concerns. This document has to go to

[0:15:44] Voice 1: the Ministry of Municipal Affairs and we will be sending the minister all the referrals that we

[0:15:50] Voice 1: receive so that the minister knows when considering approval that the ministries are either okay with

[0:15:59] Voice 1: it or have other concerns have been dealt with. So if you do indicate concerns we will be bringing

[0:16:06] Voice 1: endorse the attention of trust council and we will make recommendations to them on the changes

[0:16:12] Voice 1: and we will get back to you as an agency if you indicated approval not recommended due to reasons

[0:16:19] Voice 1: outlined below we will get back to you and let you know what council's done to address those concerns

[0:16:25] Voice 1: and and then obviously you could let us know that's okay or not and then we would provide

[0:16:32] Voice 1: that information to the minister. So that's generally the process and I'll just pass it

[0:16:37] Voice 1: back to Claire and answer questions when we get there. Thanks.

[0:16:42] Voice 10: Thank you. So this is the first

[0:16:44] Voice 10: question and answer period so I encourage you if you do have questions to unmute and turn on your

[0:16:50] Voice 10: cameras and let us know we can have a conversation and hopefully answer any questions you have about

[0:16:54] Voice 10: the materials we've just presented.

[0:17:01] Voice 4: We have a couple of

[0:17:02] Voice 9: more attendees that have joined us so

[0:17:04] Voice 9: I've just invited them to join us in the Zoom room as well.

[0:17:09] Voice 10: Thank you.

[0:17:10] Voice 10: And again, if you have questions, but you don't want to speak up,

[0:17:12] Voice 10: feel free to put them in the chat function

[0:17:14] Voice 10: and we can look at them there and then read them out on screen.

[0:17:19] Voice 10: And welcome to our new participants.

[0:17:25] Voice 10: We'll just let you know that we are recording this session.

[0:17:27] Voice 10: So if you speak, we will include that in the recording.

[0:17:32] Voice 10: So I'm not hearing any questions here.

[0:17:35] Voice 10: Oh, there's one.

[0:17:36] Voice 2: Yeah, this is Jerry Christensen on Pierce Island.

[0:17:39] Voice 2: I do have a question. I guess the form seems intended to elicit a response from organizations.

[0:17:50] Voice 2: And I realize that what I felt when I responded to your email,

[0:17:54] Voice 2: I responded as an individual and knowing that, in fact, on my little island,

[0:17:58] Voice 2: no one else seemed to be kind of getting in front of this issue.

[0:18:02] Voice 2: And so I undertook to do that. But it isn't clear to me.

[0:18:07] Voice 2: i mean we have received a note from the piers island improvement district

[0:18:12] Voice 2: uh indicating that it was prepared to coordinate responses from uh from island owners or residents

[0:18:20] Voice 2: uh but uh on the on one hand it has actually no authority to do that yeah it's it's not a

[0:18:28] Voice 2: local government in the normal sense of the entities and agencies that are are listed

[0:18:33] Voice 2: it. And so I just, I mean, I don't want to raise this as an impediment. I'm delighted that the

[0:18:42] Voice 2: trust is moving forward to solicit this additional information, but I guess I'm trying to understand

[0:18:48] Voice 2: to what extent you are expecting to hear from individuals as opposed to hearing responses from

[0:18:55] Voice 2: entities or organizations.

[0:18:59] Voice 10: So thank you for the question. I'm happy to answer that, and my

[0:19:02] Voice 10: My colleagues can certainly supplement my answer as needed.

[0:19:05] Voice 10: So at this point, we are moving forward with the referral process,

[0:19:08] Voice 10: which is intended to elicit a response from organizations and agencies and governments

[0:19:14] Voice 10: sort of, you know, on behalf of their own interests

[0:19:16] Voice 10: and whether they're affected and what their perspectives are there.

[0:19:20] Voice 10: We are also planning to launch a public engagement forum

[0:19:23] Voice 10: for individuals and community groups to comment

[0:19:26] Voice 10: sort of later in the late summer, fall at this point, probably later.

[0:19:31] Voice 10: or now we're probably looking at fall before we kick it off so there will be a robust opportunity

[0:19:35] Voice 10: coming with multiple channels for individuals to provide feedback and commentary so I would say

[0:19:40] Voice 10: we would welcome having the improvement district help us spread the word once we're you know in

[0:19:46] Voice 10: that formal public engagement phase we would really welcome you as a partner to share out

[0:19:49] Voice 10: our communications and help make people aware of the opportunities to comment

[0:19:54] Voice 10: is that helpful so at this point we're looking for you to comment as an organization but later

[0:19:58] Voice 10: on we would welcome the improvement district to help us draw the public's attention to this and

[0:20:03] Voice 10: support them in responding well

[0:20:06] Voice 2: thank you very much that's helpful to me and i must say it makes

[0:20:10] Voice 2: sense i have one other question though and uh in the case of piers island where i reside the

[0:20:18] Voice 2: this issue is complicated to some extent by the fact that um the uh the attempt to amend our

[0:20:28] Voice 2: our bylaws to deal with uh with a couple of issues ran into the difficulty that well this is

[0:20:35] Voice 2: particularly respect to the global warming issues that um and i gather the ministry has uh refused

[0:20:42] Voice 2: to accept the trust proposal for the amendments to the pierce island official community plan

[0:20:48] Voice 2: on the grounds that there's no target set for uh for the on the carbon capture and similar issues

[0:20:57] Voice 2: And so we have received a letter saying that the trust is about to engage with us to deal with that issue.

[0:21:04] Voice 2: And I guess I'm trying to get clear in my own mind to what extent that I mean, I have responded personally with respect to that issue,

[0:21:14] Voice 2: suggesting that, in fact, it doesn't seem to make sense to try and proceed with the issue related to the community plan

[0:21:22] Voice 2: plan until the new Island Trust policy has been determined and established, because it may well

[0:21:29] Voice 2: affect what ought to be in the community plan. So I just, I'm not necessarily seeking a response

[0:21:34] Voice 2: of this stage with respect to that issue, but it is certainly one that is of interest to my

[0:21:40] Voice 2: neighbors.

[0:21:42] Voice 10: So I wonder, I hear you say you're not seeking a response, but I would just invite the

[0:21:48] Voice 10: Director of Planning to comment if he has anything to provide to you on that topic.

[0:21:52] Voice 1: No that's a good point and that's something that the local trust committee will probably consider

[0:21:57] Voice 1: when determining how to proceed. Having said that though it appears Ireland the bylaw is quite out

[0:22:05] Voice 1: of date so there is a you know it doesn't meet the current requirements for an official community

[0:22:10] Voice 1: plan. So it may be an update to address those and then another update to address changes in

[0:22:17] Voice 1: in the policy statement.

[0:22:18] Voice 1: So that's something to think about.

[0:22:20] Voice 1: But yeah, it's a good point.

[0:22:22] Voice 1: And as I said, the trustee will have to consider that.

[0:22:30] Voice 2: Well, that's helpful.

[0:22:31] Voice 2: The difficulty for us is I think that we,

[0:22:35] Voice 2: I guess it's a matter of priorities.

[0:22:37] Voice 2: Should we be mobilizing community interest

[0:22:40] Voice 2: to deal with the issues that you have now put forward

[0:22:43] Voice 2: in this, in the moving to change in the policy,

[0:22:46] Voice 2: or do we get bogged down in trying to,

[0:22:48] Voice 2: What happened, frankly, I think is kind of a futile exercise in the sense that, you know, the trust staff decided that it didn't make sense to try and apply a numerical target to an individual small island.

[0:23:05] Voice 2: The provinces said that they can't accept that. And so then the trust is coming back to us and say, you've got to do something about this.

[0:23:11] Voice 2: And I mean, I guess what I've said in my letter, if the trust is prepared to say that the target for Piers Island for reduction is zero, then you've solved your problem, right?

[0:23:22] Voice 2: I mean, it's a target. It's a silly target. Makes no sense, but it complies.

[0:23:27] Voice 2: Otherwise, in a sense, you're forcing us, putting us in a position where I guess we should be going to the province and telling them to stop trying to force you to do something,

[0:23:35] Voice 2: thing, which frankly, I think is going to simply cause potentially embarrassment to this process,

[0:23:42] Voice 2: because it shows how when you get into the weeds, you start creating problems that you didn't

[0:23:48] Voice 2: probably want to get engaged in. Anyway, I

[0:23:51] Voice 2: don't want to dominate. Thanks for your attention and

[0:23:53] Voice 2: time, and I look forward to this process.

[0:23:59] Voice 10: Okay, thank you very much. Do we have additional

[0:24:02] Voice 10: additional questions from anyone today and I see one in the chat I think here oh um it was Rick

[0:24:09] Voice 10: from yeah

[0:24:11] Voice 8: from the Montague Improvement District from Mary Jo Hughes yeah

[0:24:15] Voice 10: so Mary Jo I would

[0:24:16] Voice 10: understand that the referral form has been sent out already so it should be with your contact that

[0:24:21] Voice 10: would typically receive referrals and if you haven't received it feel free to reach back out

[0:24:26] Voice 10: to us and we'll provide the contact information at the end of the presentation okay thank you I

[0:24:34] Voice 10: I see, just for those watching, Mary Jo said, okay, good.

[0:24:37] Voice 10: Any other questions?

[0:24:44] Voice 10: Okay, hearing none, we'll move on

[0:24:46] Voice 10: with the rest of the presentation

[0:24:47] Voice 10: and there will be another opportunity at the end.

[0:24:52] Voice 4: Okay, so

[0:24:54] Voice 9: in this next part of the presentation,

[0:24:58] Voice 9: we are going to be just highlighting some of the amendments

[0:25:02] Voice 9: that have been made to the policy statement.

[0:25:04] Voice 9: We would encourage you to read the policy statement

[0:25:08] Voice 9: in its entirety as there have been a number of changes

[0:25:11] Voice 9: and new interpretive context has been added.

[0:25:15] Voice 9: So it's helpful to read it as a whole

[0:25:17] Voice 9: and to understand how everything is interconnected

[0:25:19] Voice 9: but we'll just highlight some of the major changes today.

[0:25:24] Voice 9: And to start, we'll just highlight that Trust Council

[0:25:28] Voice 9: this term identified three strategic priority areas

[0:25:32] Voice 9: for policy statement amendments.

[0:25:34] Voice 9: And those were reconciliation, climate change

[0:25:37] Voice 9: and affordable housing.

[0:25:38] Voice 9: And in crafting the amendments, Trust Council and its committees have really strived to stay in the middle of this Venn diagram,

[0:25:48] Voice 9: where all of the policies serve to support each other, uplift each other, and at the very least don't counteract each other.

[0:25:56] Voice 9: So looking for that integration. And at this, and just to give you a sense of kind of the overarching,

[0:26:05] Voice 9: some of the structural changes that have happened there are three new parts to the policy statement

[0:26:12] Voice 9: and three new sections that have been added the first is a new part three which is devoted to

[0:26:19] Voice 9: regional governance and because the policy statement is meant to be a general statement

[0:26:24] Voice 9: of policies to carry out the islands trust object this section is giving a bit more profile to some

[0:26:31] Voice 9: of the guiding principles that trust council uses in its daily decision making that are grounded in

[0:26:37] Voice 9: that preserve and protect mandate so it transforms um some guiding principles that were previously in

[0:26:44] Voice 9: the previous policy statement um into actual commitments of trust council and in some cases

[0:26:51] Voice 9: into directive policies so that's part three there is also a new part five devoted to the topic of

[0:26:58] Voice 9: heritage um so in the previous policy statement there were some um policies um sort of lesser

[0:27:06] Voice 9: policies in uh the part former part five which was devoted to sustainable communities we've pulled

[0:27:14] Voice 9: those into a category of its own and um so the new part five is devoted to the preservation and

[0:27:21] Voice 9: protection of natural heritage indigenous cultural heritage and community heritage so bringing really

[0:27:27] Voice 9: bringing profile to that aspect of the preserve and protect mandate. Another new section within

[0:27:37] Voice 9: the community sustainability and resilience part is section 6.2 which is devoted to fostering low

[0:27:45] Voice 9: impact and affordable housing and that has both aspects of climate resilience as well as

[0:27:52] Voice 9: housing affordability. We've also given greater profile and priority to the establishment of

[0:28:02] Voice 9: protected area networks, which was always a feature of the policy statement, but we've just

[0:28:06] Voice 9: brought it into greater focus. We've continued to safeguard and prioritize freshwater sustainability,

[0:28:14] Voice 9: and we've included some bold new policies to protect coastal and marine environments.

[0:28:20] Voice 9: And so you'll see recurring refrains in the new draft policy statement really prioritizing these four, so protected area networks, heritage, freshwater sustainability, and coastal and marine environment.

[0:28:35] Voice 9: And again, all of these are grounded in the preserve and protect mandate.

[0:28:40] Voice 9: And at this point I'll turn it over to Lisa to just highlight some of the broad reconciliation amendments.

[0:28:46] Voice 9: amendments?

[0:28:48] Voice 8: Yeah, so the policy statement had not been updated in a very long time, and how we move

[0:28:55] Voice 8: forward with reconciliation, the old policy statement was not reflective of the truth and

[0:29:01] Voice 8: reconciliation calls to action, the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People,

[0:29:08] Voice 8: the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act, now in British Columbia, and also

[0:29:13] Voice 8: the missing and murdered Indigenous women and girls calls to justice. So what the Islands Trust

[0:29:19] Voice 8: has done is go through that policy statement, remove offensive language and language that

[0:29:27] Voice 8: is outlined in the calls to action as being inappropriate language and not reflective of

[0:29:34] Voice 8: reconciliation. We've acknowledged the First Nations relationship with the lands and waters

[0:29:40] Voice 8: that encompass the Islands Dressed Area, including rights and title and Section 35 inherent rights.

[0:29:50] Voice 8: And we've added policies that are reflective of Indigenous cultural heritage, culturally significant species, and also

[0:30:00] Voice 8: wanting to be reflective of Indigenous ways of knowing instead of looking at policies and

[0:30:05] Voice 8: processes from just one lens. So we're looking at enhanced protection of coastal and marine

[0:30:11] Voice 8: environments because of the impacts that happen to Indigenous food security on the shoreline and

[0:30:18] Voice 8: impacts to archaeological sites that are very significant in the Islands Trust area along the

[0:30:25] Voice 8: shoreline. Many of the things that we have incorporated into the new policies have come

[0:30:32] Voice 8: from engaging with First Nations and seeking that early and meaningful engagement process

[0:30:39] Voice 8: at the beginning and over the last two years. So that is ongoing and will continue and we'll

[0:30:46] Voice 8: continue to look at ways of improving how to engage as we move forward.

[0:30:53] Voice 8: Thank

[0:30:55] Voice 9: you, Lisa. And I'll also just highlight that in the new draft policy statement, we have attempted to indicate kind of where the rationale for certain amendments came from.

[0:31:08] Voice 9: And so it's a color coded document and the reconciliation amendments are mostly highlighted in blue.

[0:31:18] Voice 9: So moving on to climate change, these have been highlighted mostly in green in the draft new policy statement.

[0:31:25] Voice 9: I will say that as this exercise unfolded, it was increasingly difficult to silo the amendments into these three categories, as there are multiple benefits to many of them that span across all three of our strategic policy priority areas.

[0:31:43] Voice 9: So with regards to climate change, as well as our other priority areas, one of the amendments has been to foster an enhanced multidisciplinary knowledge base.

[0:31:55] Voice 9: for decision-making. So that is a Trust Council commitment to be informed by the best available

[0:32:02] Voice 9: area-based mapping, science, social science, local knowledge, and Indigenous ways of knowing.

[0:32:09] Voice 9: So allowing all of those knowledge bases to inform daily decision-making in the Trust area.

[0:32:15] Voice 9: Based on feedback in the review process, we heard a strong call for new approaches to

[0:32:24] Voice 9: management of the trust area that fostered greater resilience with climate change in mind and broadly

[0:32:31] Voice 9: speaking those were to foster more relational approaches so you will see more of a some of our

[0:32:37] Voice 9: language has been changed from more kind of extractive or land use kind of language to more

[0:32:45] Voice 9: relational stewardship language in the policy statement as well as more language around

[0:32:52] Voice 9: around restoration and regeneration.

[0:32:54] Voice 9: So the notion that in light of climate change,

[0:32:57] Voice 9: there is a greater imperative to not only preserve

[0:33:00] Voice 9: and protect, but also to restore and regenerate.

[0:33:04] Voice 9: You'll also see some new approaches

[0:33:05] Voice 9: around climate vulnerability assessments

[0:33:09] Voice 9: for both ecosystems and communities,

[0:33:11] Voice 9: really understanding the vulnerabilities of each

[0:33:14] Voice 9: and in order to be able to identify how to best respond.

[0:33:19] Voice 9: And that also is at the local level so that we can understand differences on each island.

[0:33:27] Voice 9: There's also approaches fostering adherence to the precautionary principle, nature-based solutions, and adaptive management.

[0:33:38] Voice 9: And these are recognizing that in light of climate change, the rate and scale of climate change leads to many uncertainties.

[0:33:48] Voice 9: There's much we can't predict, so it's necessary to both foster precautionary approaches, integrated solutions that look at communities and ecosystems as a whole, and also institute monitoring mechanisms so that we can adapt to changing circumstances and assess how policies are being implemented and affected on the ground.

[0:34:12] Voice 9: There's enhanced focus on establishing protected area networks as I mentioned before, and part of this is out of a recognition of the carbon sequestration potential of the natural areas in the trust area.

[0:34:28] Voice 9: There are bolder protective policies around freshwater sustainability and coastal marine protection.

[0:34:33] Voice 9: And these include three more older prohibitions, which we thought we would like to bring to your attention and get your feedback through the referral process.

[0:34:46] Voice 9: So these are not only through the climate lens, but also have multiple kind of benefits to our reconciliation goals as well.

[0:34:55] Voice 9: So there is a prohibition on new private docks except where properties are boat access only.

[0:35:04] Voice 9: Again a prohibition on new desalination plants acknowledging their intensive energy use and

[0:35:11] Voice 9: impacts on near shore and coastal environments and a prohibition of new sea walls or hard shoreline

[0:35:19] Voice 9: armoring. And so favoring soft shoreline protections, acknowledging the climate impacts

[0:35:28] Voice 9: of sea level rise and the importance of nearshore ecosystems, both from a carbon sequestration

[0:35:37] Voice 9: perspective, but also in terms of biodiversity and species at risk. And as well as our

[0:35:45] Voice 9: reconciliation objectives that we mentioned in the previous slide about protecting coastal

[0:35:51] Voice 9: environments due to archaeological sites and First Nations traditional harvesting practices.

[0:36:00] Voice 9: You'll also see throughout the document fostering more low-impact ecological impact development

[0:36:10] Voice 9: development profiles or more sustainable development profiles.

[0:36:14] Voice 9: And I'll get into that a bit in the next slide.

[0:36:16] Voice 9: And there's also greater support for sustainable transportation

[0:36:20] Voice 9: networks.

[0:36:21] Voice 9: So for public transportation, active transportation,

[0:36:25] Voice 9: as well as electric vehicles.

[0:36:27] Voice 9: And these are all areas where we can't do everything, but there

[0:36:33] Voice 9: we have the potential to influence and support these

[0:36:36] Voice 9: goals through zoning and other planning means.

[0:36:41] Voice 9: And lastly, for our three priorities, the affordable housing.

[0:36:46] Voice 9: These are highlighted in pink in the document.

[0:36:49] Voice 9: And here again, we acknowledge that, you know, housing is much bigger than just the island's trust,

[0:36:56] Voice 9: but there is much we can do to support the goals to foster strategic, multi-jurisdictional, equitable and integrated approaches

[0:37:04] Voice 9: to address the diverse housing needs of trust area communities.

[0:37:08] Voice 9: And this really comes out of an acknowledgement that community sustainability and resilience is dependent on having safe, secure and affordable housing.

[0:37:20] Voice 9: There are new directives in, as I mentioned, Section 6.2 of the new draft statement,

[0:37:26] Voice 9: which invite local trust committees and island municipalities to identify appropriate locations

[0:37:36] Voice 9: where density increases could support affordable housing without compromising the other goals that

[0:37:42] Voice 9: I mentioned earlier. There are also directives to assess and, where necessary, regulate impacts

[0:37:49] Voice 9: of short-term rentals on housing availability and affordability, as well as directives to

[0:37:54] Voice 9: identify appropriate floor area and lock coverage limits for residential development so this is

[0:38:01] Voice 9: another area where multiple benefits both for housing um housing needs as well as climate change

[0:38:08] Voice 9: and lastly there's some advocacy commitments to um for interagency coordination to foster safe

[0:38:17] Voice 9: secure and affordable housing both for trust area communities as well as indigenous people

[0:38:22] Voice 9: looking to live in the trust area and all of this, like all our advocacy, is framed in alignment with the Islands Trust object.

[0:38:32] Voice 9: So that's just a very high level overview of some of the amendments, but we would encourage you to look through the whole document and ask us any questions you may have to clarify.

[0:38:44] Voice 9: This here is the main web page of the Islands 2050 project, and there is a project overview briefing here with much more detailed information on the amendments, the rationale, and the whole project's process and timeline.

[0:39:03] Voice 9: line and we have two emails here which you can use to contact us with any questions you may have

[0:39:10] Voice 9: or to arrange to speak with one of our staff so the main email is the islands 2050 at islandstrust.bc.ca

[0:39:18] Voice 9: and we also have another email if you would like to ask our senior intergovernmental policy

[0:39:24] Voice 9: advisor specific questions about reconciliation you can write to reconciliation at islandstrust.bc.ca

[0:39:31] Voice 9: And we've also included our phone number here, so please do reach out if you have any questions going forward about the amendments or the referral process.

[0:39:43] Voice 9: And

[0:39:44] Voice 4: at this point, I think I'll pass back to Clare. And you're muted, Clare.

[0:39:51] Voice 3: Thank

[0:39:52] Voice 10: you. Thank you very much. I'll just note we have three people who have joined us as attendees. Maybe we can move them on in.

[0:39:57] Voice 10: yes and and we'll just move into our final question and answer session here and for those

[0:40:04] Voice 10: who have joined us we'll just remind everyone again we are recording the session um so your

[0:40:08] Voice 10: questions um will be made public to those other referral agency and organizations that review

[0:40:13] Voice 10: that do the recording um and you're feel free to if you don't want to speak up to put your

[0:40:17] Voice 10: questions in the chat so um i would welcome we all welcome in additional questions that you might

[0:40:25] Voice 10: have. Feel free to just put up your hand or speak up. Hi, Mary

[0:40:33] Voice 6: Jo, and as soon as I say hi, my dog

[0:40:35] Voice 6: barks. Yeah, I missed part of it because I keep getting booted out. But I know there was, I heard

[0:40:44] Voice 6: quite a

[0:40:45] Voice 7: bit of concern about the ban on desalination, whatever they're called. Suddenly

[0:40:56] Voice 7: can't remember the word um and um i'm just like i'm wondering uh what in a nutshell sort of what

[0:41:06] Voice 7: the deal is with that whether you've covered that or whether there's somewhere i can read more

[0:41:12] Voice 7: about um the problems with that okay

[0:41:19] Voice 10: thank you for the question um in her presentation

[0:41:21] Voice 10: delaney gave a general overview of the concerns which are related to um climate impacts as they

[0:41:28] Voice 10: relate to energy but also impacts on sensitive marine and coastal environments that get impacted

[0:41:35] Voice 10: by the more saline water. But certainly we will be through the fall as we move into public

[0:41:41] Voice 10: engagement we'll be providing more information on that topic and we'd be happy to provide that to

[0:41:45] Voice 10: you. I would encourage if you have detailed questions to write to us at the Islands 2050

[0:41:50] Voice 10: email and we can provide an answer probably more thoroughly there.

[0:41:55] Voice 10: um yeah and i see delaney's hand up yeah

[0:41:59] Voice 9: just just also to highlight um we have a frequently

[0:42:02] Voice 9: asked questions document on the islands 2050 website and there is a brief answer there if

[0:42:09] Voice 9: you're looking for more details i would invite you to send us an email and we can have one of

[0:42:13] Voice 9: our specialists respond in more

[0:42:15] Voice 3: detail okay thank you mary uh are there additional questions from

[0:42:27] Voice 3: anyone hi

[0:42:33] Voice 12: i've got a question um out of curiosity i guess it's jenna liason and i'm just curious if

[0:42:38] Voice 12: you can explain um when you're looking at those prohibitions um on your shore uses knowing that

[0:42:45] Voice 12: there's other permitting and agencies involved in approving like docs or desalination um so with

[0:42:53] Voice 12: docs as an example this is this would result in a change in zoning that would then people wouldn't

[0:43:01] Voice 12: be allowed to go forward for permitting? Can you just explain that a little bit? Thank you.

[0:43:05] Voice 10: Yes, maybe I'll see if David Marler would like to take the answer to that one.

[0:43:11] Voice 10: And you're muted.

[0:43:12] Voice 1: Yeah. Yeah, so I think the intent here is that it would consider docks

[0:43:18] Voice 1: on islands that have vehicular access, so served by ferries, like car ferries. It would not apply

[0:43:27] Voice 1: to islands that don't have a car ferry. And it would then require that local trust committee

[0:43:33] Voice 1: when they're considering shoreline zoning to prohibit docks,

[0:43:38] Voice 1: the way it's currently worded would be to prohibit docks

[0:43:41] Voice 1: on islands that have calf berries.

[0:43:44] Voice 1: Now, you know, the committee could consider some policies

[0:43:48] Voice 1: to, you know, look at consolidated docks

[0:43:54] Voice 1: so that they're not private for one person,

[0:43:57] Voice 1: but more of a communal type of dock.

[0:43:59] Voice 1: This is talking about private docks.

[0:44:02] Voice 1: so existing so until the zoning changes nothing would happen existing docs would obviously

[0:44:07] Voice 1: continue and then the trust committee if it decides to update its bylaw would have to be

[0:44:13] Voice 1: in compliance with that policy so it'd be new docs it would then be prohibited so i think that

[0:44:20] Voice 1: answers the question yeah

[0:44:21] Voice 12: that helps thank you yeah this

[0:44:29] Voice 2: is jerry christians and i have a question

[0:44:31] Voice 2: and if no one else is in the queue uh it it relates to uh i mean i on one hand i was delighted

[0:44:40] Voice 2: to see that the document recognized that pierce island is an exception in that the trust tried

[0:44:47] Voice 2: once and failed to prevent us from having using water from vancouver island which of course our

[0:44:53] Voice 2: development would be very different given the size of our island if we did not have that possibility

[0:44:58] Voice 2: So thank you for that. But with respect, and also this document reflects, it does reflect the fact that we are a boat access only island.

[0:45:08] Voice 2: And so that's positive.

[0:45:11] Voice 2: The one element, though, that does concern me, and it was in the recent slide, the prohibition of new seawalls or hard shoreline armoring.

[0:45:20] Voice 2: And I've read the document fairly carefully, and I'm not unsympathetic to the notion that natural ocean processes need to be allowed to take place and so forth.

[0:45:31] Voice 2: But I guess I wonder, as the owner of two properties that have seawalls that have been there for a considerable amount of time but are not going to last forever, they were placed there to protect our properties from BC ferries.

[0:45:47] Voice 2: The reality was that the constant passage of my property by ferries at considerable speed and considerable size has an impact.

[0:45:56] Voice 2: And so, is it intended that properties like mine, that I will not have an ability to replace a shoreline armoring, if and when, as is inevitable, because one of them is composed of pilings that were used in a ditch form to create a seawall.

[0:46:18] Voice 2: So, you know, what is, I guess, not clear to me whether the prohibition against new structures, how that will apply to existing structures.

[0:46:30] Voice 10: Thank you for your question. I'll see if David would like to answer that.

[0:46:33] Voice 1: Yeah, it's a similar answer to the DOCS. It's existing structures would be allowed to stay.

[0:46:40] Voice 1: And then it's new structures that it's talking about.

[0:46:44] Voice 1: and the intent here is not to prevent people from protecting the shorelines there are actually other

[0:46:51] Voice 1: ways to do it and the intent is to encourage more of a green shores soft approach to protecting the

[0:46:59] Voice 1: shorelines and the current wording is prohibit so that would limit the local trust committee's

[0:47:06] Voice 1: ability in the bylaws to go much beyond that though trust committees do have the ability to

[0:47:13] Voice 1: to issue variances and those variances,

[0:47:17] Voice 1: well, it should be obviously not undermining

[0:47:20] Voice 1: the intent of the OCP.

[0:47:22] Voice 1: There's actually no call for them to have to,

[0:47:25] Voice 1: they could consider a site by site basis

[0:47:28] Voice 1: that a particular approach is not going to work

[0:47:32] Voice 1: and there's only one option.

[0:47:33] Voice 1: So they could consider that,

[0:47:34] Voice 1: but the bylaw could not outright permit

[0:47:39] Voice 1: hard armoring of the shorelines in the future.

[0:47:44] Voice 5: Yeah, it's Prime Warrior. Same question or similar question, I guess. One with regard to the previous question about the docs and the various agencies involved and limitations and shared docs, I suppose, is an option.

[0:48:01] Voice 5: However, I understand that if you have more than two or three, I don't know the exact number of people sharing a dock, it becomes a commercial enterprise.

[0:48:09] Voice 5: And that then causes other questions and issues around sharing docks with other people on the island.

[0:48:15] Voice 5: So I didn't know, you know, again, how the bylaws might conflict with other licensing or jurisdictions.

[0:48:23] Voice 5: And that's also a bit of a concern.

[0:48:25] Voice 5: With regard to the seawalls, I can see there being preferences as opposed to outright banning one certain type of technology to me doesn't seem to make sense, even with the desalinization.

[0:48:41] Voice 5: I mean, there may be situations where that's the only and the best option for that particular individual or property.

[0:48:48] Voice 5: So I don't understand why you're prohibiting certain technologies and ways of doing things.

[0:48:52] Voice 5: I can see there being recommendations, I can see there being information around helping people choose an appropriate method of dealing with the situation, but to outright ban certain, you know, ways of doing things doesn't make sense to me.

[0:49:10] Voice 5: Is that an option of giving recommendations, as opposed to prohibition or prohibiting things?

[0:49:19] Voice 1: Who do you want to?

[0:49:20] Voice 10: I can start. Do you want to take that or do you want me to answer?

[0:49:24] Voice 1: I'm okay with yeah I can take it if you like sure um yeah the document's still draft the council is

[0:49:31] Voice 1: considering feedback so the intent here is agency feedback and looking for you know the agency's

[0:49:38] Voice 1: responses do you see any concerns with respect to your area of jurisdiction if individually you've

[0:49:44] Voice 1: got a concern um there is the island's 2050 feedback and I think at the end of this Delaney

[0:49:50] Voice 1: will provide that to you. Anybody can speak to that and you can write to Trust Council with

[0:49:57] Voice 1: your concerns and suggestions. We've certainly heard quite a bit that prohibition in a policy

[0:50:04] Voice 1: statement might be too much and Council could change that wording to encourage or some other

[0:50:12] Voice 1: language that allows local trust committees some leeway to consider it but knowing that it's not

[0:50:18] Voice 1: something that we would like to see but in some situations maybe that is the option as you said

[0:50:24] Voice 1: that could don't there might only be one way to do something.

[0:50:29] Voice 10: I would add to that in that

[0:50:31] Voice 10: frequently asked questions document that's available on the Alley's 2050 webpage there is

[0:50:35] Voice 10: a more fulton explanation about seawalls as well as a link through to the Green Shores program

[0:50:41] Voice 10: which has detailed background on the soft engineering solutions available which sort of

[0:50:47] Voice 10: often provide multiple benefits to landowners in terms of the how their shoreline looks and feels

[0:50:52] Voice 10: but also provides benefits to the environment so there's more background information there

[0:50:56] Voice 10: and it seems that there's many residents in the trust area not aware of the alternatives

[0:51:01] Voice 10: that are available and what benefits they might provide to them also from a cost perspective

[0:51:05] Voice 10: sometimes too please let us know if you'd like us to supplement our answers but if not we'll

[0:51:12] Voice 10: move on to another question no

[0:51:17] Voice 3: thank you okay thanks brian all right welcome another question

[0:51:31] Voice 3: and a reminder if you don't wish to speak up you're welcome to put the question in the chat

[0:51:43] Voice 3: okay well not hearing any further questions maybe

[0:51:47] Voice 10: we'll move back to put the final slide up

[0:51:52] Voice 10: and we'll let you know that feel free to reach out to any of us at any time

[0:51:57] Voice 10: and we're available for any of your questions that you might have and here's the contact

[0:52:02] Voice 10: information again. If you wish to get more background on the project, feel free to visit

[0:52:08] Voice 10: the dedicated webpage, which has some links right on the page around the project, but also at the

[0:52:14] Voice 10: bottom of the page, there's a series of folders with all sorts of background information, including

[0:52:18] Voice 10: all the engagement reports, all public correspondence. We've released a legal

[0:52:23] Voice 10: opinion. We have a discussion paper there, all kinds of materials that you might find interesting

[0:52:27] Voice 10: and helpful. And if you have questions, please feel free to reach out. Any one of us on the

[0:52:33] Voice 10: webinar today are available to assist you. And you can do that through the Islands 2050

[0:52:38] Voice 10: dedicated email address, or to speak specifically about reconciliation, you can reach out to the

[0:52:44] Voice 10: reconciliation email. And if you just would like to, you can pick up the phone and call our front

[0:52:48] Voice 10: desk and they can put you through to any one of us, depending on the nature of your question.

[0:52:52] Voice 10: question. So with that, thank you for your time and attention today and for putting your energy

[0:53:01] Voice 10: towards a referral response to the referral that's been sent to you. We look forward to hearing back

[0:53:06] Voice 10: to you by October. I believe it's October 22nd is when we would like to receive all the feedback

[0:53:12] Voice 10: from your different organizations, agencies, or governments. So thank you very much for that,

[0:53:19] Voice 10: that and we look forward to hearing from you and uh and we hope you have a great and healthy summer

[0:53:26] Voice 3: thank you yeah

[0:53:27] Voice 8: everyone thank you so much for attending