Islands Trust Council regular meeting, November 8, 2021

[0:00:04] Trustee Langereis: I think I'll start.

[0:00:05] Trustee Langereis: It's 12.30 and welcome to the November 8th, 2021 meeting

[0:00:11] Trustee Langereis: of the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:00:16] Trustee Langereis: This is the next stage in the iteration

[0:00:20] Trustee Langereis: of our electronic forays as we move out

[0:00:25] Trustee Langereis: of the purely virtual meetings.

[0:00:28] Trustee Langereis: And I'll talk about that in a moment.

[0:00:30] Trustee Langereis: But before we start the meeting,

[0:00:32] Trustee Langereis: I just want to take a second to acknowledge that we're meeting in the traditional territories of the Coast Salish peoples,

[0:00:41] Trustee Langereis: and we're very happy to be doing so.

[0:00:45] Trustee Langereis: I think everyone who lives on the Gulf Islands feels a sense of privilege and joy to be able to live here and work here,

[0:00:53] Trustee Langereis: travel here, back and forth, etc.

[0:00:55] Trustee Langereis: It's such a beautiful part of the world, even when there is a wind warning and there's a storm approaching.

[0:01:02] Trustee Langereis: I also wanted to just recognize that today is, I've seen it being called National Indigenous

[0:01:11] Trustee Langereis: and National Aboriginal, so whatever the appropriate term, Veterans Day, which is a day to specifically

[0:01:19] Trustee Langereis: recognize the contribution of Indigenous peoples and Canadians to keeping Canada safe.

[0:01:27] Trustee Langereis: and we honoured the service of the Indigenous veterans across Canada.

[0:01:32] Trustee Langereis: It's appropriate that they have a specific day for them.

[0:01:36] Trustee Langereis: I was reading a little history about it and found out that the reason the day was created

[0:01:43] Trustee Langereis: was, I think somewhat shamefully often, in our November 11th celebrations,

[0:01:47] Trustee Langereis: there was not a recognition of the service of Indigenous people, Canadians,

[0:01:53] Trustee Langereis: to the various efforts over the years.

[0:01:58] Trustee Langereis: And so that's why the U.S. developed a special day

[0:02:02] Trustee Langereis: simply for Aboriginal veterans.

[0:02:05] Trustee Langereis: So thank them for their service.

[0:02:09] Trustee Langereis: So this is our next step in our electronic meetings.

[0:02:14] Trustee Langereis: I'm very hopeful that this is both broadcasting

[0:02:17] Trustee Langereis: and recording as we speak.

[0:02:22] Trustee Langereis: Unfortunately, I'm the technician right now and so hopefully if there's any flaws in the technical...

[0:02:29] Trustee Langereis: It's

[0:02:30] Voice 8: being broadcast really well. Someone texted me.

[0:02:32] Voice 8: Okay,

[0:02:33] Trustee Langereis: great. This is our new equipment that I now have to carry with me as we move out of this.

[0:02:41] Trustee Langereis: We're moving into a system where the Vice Chair is bringing the electronics with them and then set up the camera.

[0:02:48] Trustee Langereis: The camera is here. Your voice as you speak will be recorded. We do not have a camera

[0:02:55] Trustee Langereis: that moves to the audience. It's capturing effectively the local trust committee at this

[0:03:00] Trustee Langereis: point. Anyway, I'm very glad that we have this next step. The next step, of course,

[0:03:06] Trustee Langereis: will be to have a fully interactive ability to do that, which is the next iteration of

[0:03:12] Trustee Langereis: this as we move forward and we'll continue to work on that. But this will be recorded

[0:03:17] Trustee Langereis: and on our website, and it's being broadcast as we go forward.

[0:03:21] Trustee Langereis: So, thank you very much for that.

[0:03:25] Trustee Langereis: Just let me take a moment to introduce the various people

[0:03:28] Trustee Langereis: that you'll see both on your screen and not on your screen.

[0:03:31] Trustee Langereis: My name's Dan Rodgers, I've had the pleasure

[0:03:34] Trustee Langereis: of being the Chair of the Gallagher Local Trust Committee

[0:03:37] Trustee Langereis: for just over, just about three years now.

[0:03:42] Trustee Langereis: And I sit on the Executive Committee of Islands Trust,

[0:03:46] Trustee Langereis: I know the Island Trust Act, I come from Lek Tynes, which is the Squamish name for Keats

[0:03:52] Trustee Langereis: Island and Howe Sound, and I'm a trustee for the Gambier Local Trust Area.

[0:03:57] Trustee Langereis: You will recognize on your screen, and obviously from the island, you'll see the local trustees,

[0:04:03] Trustee Langereis: Trustee Jane Culverton and Trustee Javier Roscollo.

[0:04:08] Trustee Langereis: We also have with us the planner, the island planner for Galliano, Brad Smith, they're

[0:04:15] Trustee Langereis: not on camera and Carly Bilney who's the recorder and the minute taker throughout this. So nice

[0:04:22] Trustee Langereis: to see you Carly. Thank you. There are approximately, for those watching online, I'm going to say

[0:04:29] Trustee Langereis: eleven or twelve people here in person who will be part of our meeting if we go along.

[0:04:36] Trustee Langereis: on. So, thank you for that. We, of course, have our agenda before us. I have a couple

[0:04:47] Trustee Langereis: of things I'm going to suggest we add to it, but before I do that, can I turn to the

[0:04:52] Trustee Langereis: local trustees and see if you have anything you wish to add?

[0:04:55] Trustee Langereis: No.

[0:04:58] Voice 6: I wonder if we should set the context.

[0:05:01] Trustee Langereis: If you'd like to set the context to begin with, as you do, go ahead.

[0:05:04] Trustee Langereis: So

[0:05:05] Voice 6: just to say that this must be a safe place for everyone.

[0:05:09] Voice 6: It's the workplace of the trustees and staff.

[0:05:12] Voice 6: And like all workplaces, we're entitled to have an environment that's safe and respectful.

[0:05:18] Voice 6: It also needs to be safe for everyone who attends the meetings.

[0:05:22] Voice 6: We used to have a tradition of having a break in the meeting and having an informal chance to talk.

[0:05:28] Voice 6: We're not back there yet in the sense of creating the safety that's needed to serve refreshments and goodies and all of that.

[0:05:42] Voice 6: So just to say, you know, when we have civil discourse, we can hear each other better.

[0:05:48] Voice 6: The discussions can be more comprehensive and thoughtful.

[0:05:52] Voice 6: and we are dealing with difficult complex you know long-range issues that

[0:05:59] Voice 6: will have long-range effects so speaking please address the trustees rather than

[0:06:09] Voice 6: staff and if there's a question that needs to go to staff then the chair will

[0:06:14] Voice 6: make sure that the staff gets to that so that's all thank you for your

[0:06:18] Voice 6: cooperation and for coming out here today.

[0:06:21] Trustee Langereis: Yes, thank you for joining us. So

[0:06:25] Trustee Langereis: with the agenda I'm going to just take a moment and I think I saw nobody had any

[0:06:32] Trustee Langereis: additions. I have a couple of suggestions subject to your consideration. I thought

[0:06:37] Trustee Langereis: that that there was some correspondence we received from the in the middle of

[0:06:44] Trustee Langereis: last week with some requests for this particular meeting from the Yiggers

[0:06:47] Trustee Langereis: people and I thought we should at least put it on the agenda for receipt if for

[0:06:51] Trustee Langereis: nothing else if that's acceptable to the two trustees. I'm

[0:06:54] Voice 6: recused. Right, I know you're

[0:06:56] Voice 6: recused. I don't know anything about it.

[0:06:58] Trustee Langereis: That's fine. So perhaps we'll deal with that under

[0:07:01] Trustee Langereis: number 11. The other thing is, and it's not, we already have the

[0:07:06] Trustee Langereis: we already have the Crystal Mountain in

[0:07:11] Trustee Langereis: an abbreviated form just so this is correspondence. I'd like to just

[0:07:16] Trustee Langereis: I have some things I'd like to sort of perhaps discuss about that application as well in a generic sense.

[0:07:23] Trustee Langereis: So if that's all right with everybody, we'll put under 13.6, we'll put under a discussion item as well.

[0:07:36] Trustee Langereis: Okay, so with those two amendments, if nobody else has anything else, we'll take the agenda as adopted.

[0:07:44] Trustee Langereis: I'll just turn to you. I assume, Clarence Smith, you have nothing you want to add or change.

[0:07:50] Trustee Langereis: So with that, we've got the agenda approved. We'll go to the trustee reports.

[0:07:56] Trustee Langereis: And I'm going to turn to your local trustees, because they were over to you.

[0:08:01] Trustee Langereis: We'll go on to Trustee Rockhouse.

[0:08:04] Voice 8: So a lot of people have been commenting on the Black Extinction Line on their roads.

[0:08:09] Voice 8: I'm just trying to figure out who is in charge of that.

[0:08:12] Voice 8: I've contacted Moody and the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure.

[0:08:15] Voice 8: term they'll hopefully I'll follow up with them on when potentially the center lines will repaint

[0:08:22] Voice 8: it. It's not with the island stress but I figured I have time on my hands to do that. We have the

[0:08:27] Voice 8: financial planning meeting meetings we started discussing the 2022 budget. We're having another

[0:08:34] Voice 8: meeting this Wednesday and the agenda is available online. Also people have been talking to me about

[0:08:39] Voice 8: concerns about the ferries being full from Vancouver a lot with a lot of tourists and

[0:08:44] Voice 8: And it's hard to get home and make reservations now, so I emailed the fairies about possibly developing a system for residents to have fairies looking available.

[0:08:52] Voice 8: That's a long shot, but I thought I also could just send an email.

[0:08:56] Voice 8: So that's it for me.

[0:08:58] Voice 11: Thank you very much.

[0:09:00] Voice 6: I've been busy with lots of meetings with residents over a variety of issues.

[0:09:05] Voice 6: and then attended the regional planning committee meeting which was focused primarily on fresh water sustainability and the fresh water sustainability report

[0:09:17] Voice 6: and that report will go to trust council at the end of this month and then likely be available very soon.

[0:09:26] Voice 6: It has a lot of good recommendations in it and I think you'll find it very valuable.

[0:09:32] Voice 6: I've also been trying to publicize the importance of people applying for water licenses for

[0:09:39] Voice 6: commercial use of wells and the deadline for this is March and it's really important that

[0:09:48] Voice 6: anyone who has a commercial operation has a well license and a water license.

[0:09:56] Voice 6: Provincially, only about a quarter of the businesses have applied.

[0:10:00] Voice 6: and when I look at the map on Galeano, very few on Galeano have applied, so it's really important if you know people just to remind them to do that.

[0:10:12] Voice 6: We also had a community information meeting for Gali, for the Galeano Dream, and I sat in on the presentation by Lisa Wilcox,

[0:10:25] Voice 6: is our senior intergovernmental policy advisor, and she met virtually with the Galley Board

[0:10:32] Voice 6: on Indigenous Engagement and Reconciliation. That's it.

[0:10:38] Trustee Langereis: Thank you very much. I just wanted to say, Dr. O'Reilly, good luck with your getting

[0:10:45] Trustee Langereis: the reservation system. It's an ongoing problem with the Sunshine Coast that ask for their

[0:10:49] Trustee Langereis: priority boarding, and so far they've gotten nowhere with the ferries on that issue, but

[0:10:54] Trustee Langereis: I wish you the best of luck, and maybe Adelphi can figure out a way to do it, because it's appearing everywhere.

[0:11:01] Trustee Langereis: So there's lots going on in the trust.

[0:11:03] Trustee Langereis: If anybody can take attention, as I'm sure you are, there's the engagement with the trust policy statement,

[0:11:12] Trustee Langereis: which has created a lot of commentary, particularly in the southern Adelphi Islands, all over the island.

[0:11:19] Trustee Langereis: There is, you may be aware that in July and then September, the Trust Council decided to, voted to pursue a more detailed set up holiday, a third step engagement process with the actual proposed draft policy statement in hand.

[0:11:43] Trustee Langereis: And the RFP for that closes on the request for proposal for contractors to, it closes on Friday.

[0:11:53] Trustee Langereis: So we should know, I would think, within about two weeks who the consultant will be that will lead that.

[0:12:00] Trustee Langereis: I think it's fair to say that while there was an initial intention to try and get to the first reading

[0:12:08] Trustee Langereis: and then get the second reading probably in the early part of next year and the

[0:12:15] Trustee Langereis: engagement process is going to take us through until probably March or

[0:12:20] Trustee Langereis: April and then we'll be looking at where we're at in terms of the draft

[0:12:26] Trustee Langereis: policy statement and there has been a lot of commentary around that in terms

[0:12:32] Trustee Langereis: of both the process and the content of what was drafted after our original

[0:12:37] Trustee Langereis: engagement process. So that's going on as well as the other thing that you will

[0:12:43] Trustee Langereis: see on our Trust Council agenda package in December is the first draft of

[0:12:51] Trustee Langereis: the of the budget. We usually get a first draft in December and then try and

[0:12:56] Trustee Langereis: approve it in March. There'll be an outreach and a public engagement

[0:13:02] Trustee Langereis: engagement process probably late January, February for the budget. It's a bit

[0:13:07] Trustee Langereis: challenged this year, to say the least, the budget. So have a look at that. The

[0:13:13] Trustee Langereis: next draft of it will be, well, it's actually up online already. And we do

[0:13:18] Trustee Langereis: have a financial planning committee meeting on Wednesday in which we review

[0:13:22] Trustee Langereis: and make recommendations to the Trust Council. The Trust Council will

[0:13:28] Trustee Langereis: We'll hopefully have an in-depth and reasoned discussion about what projects are going and which aren't.

[0:13:38] Trustee Langereis: There's a number of costs, built-in costs to the trust that are hard for us to affect on a yearly basis.

[0:13:44] Trustee Langereis: So we often look at our various projects and the things we want to be working on,

[0:13:48] Trustee Langereis: like water and reconciliation and eelgrass and forests and whatever it is that we've got on our project list

[0:13:57] Trustee Langereis: as matters that perhaps we can't fund for the coming year. Anyway, that's a very big project

[0:14:05] Trustee Langereis: that's going on right now. There's also a governance review happening at the same time,

[0:14:22] Trustee Langereis: so all of that's going on as well as the issues of trying to implement the

[0:14:29] Trustee Langereis: provincial mandate around around vaccinations and people our staff having to be vaccinated which

[0:14:38] Trustee Langereis: is not issue free in any workplace and that's the trust is no different than any other workplace

[0:14:43] Trustee Langereis: that it's not issue free for us to do that as well and we're covered by the provincial mandate

[0:14:48] Trustee Langereis: mandate around that. So all of which is to say there's a lot going on. We're continuing

[0:14:54] Trustee Langereis: to try and do not only our local work but our work across the Trust and in the context

[0:15:05] Trustee Langereis: of what's challenging for everybody. Okay, so whoever that is, could you please mute

[0:15:11] Trustee Langereis: yourself? I'm not sure why you're... Thank you very much. I think somehow some people

[0:15:19] Trustee Langereis: figured out how to how to log into the actual as opposed to the broadcast so if you're online

[0:15:26] Trustee Langereis: and you can hear me could you please ensure you're muted throughout thank you um okay so that's my

[0:15:33] Trustee Langereis: chair's report uh so um i won't echo and repeat what trustee wolderton said about um about the

[0:15:42] Trustee Langereis: commentary for town hall because it's now time time for town hall and questions i'm going to

[0:15:51] Trustee Langereis: Reminds you that if, I don't know if anybody here is an actual applicant or not, because if you're an applicant or your item is on the agenda, you don't, you don't, you will have an opportunity to speak your application during the time that's on the agenda.

[0:16:09] Trustee Langereis: so you need to speak during town hall but I want to divide this up because as

[0:16:16] Trustee Langereis: you many of you will be aware we have trustees that are recused from various

[0:16:21] Trustee Langereis: parts of the application which had a part parts of the agenda which are have

[0:16:29] Trustee Langereis: always engendered a lot of commentary to us so to that extent what I'm going to

[0:16:35] Trustee Langereis: ask is is that we ask if there's commentary of a general nature either about items on the on the

[0:16:42] Trustee Langereis: agenda or or items that we're working on that are not galley and are not gigas but are indeed

[0:16:51] Trustee Langereis: something else um so could i ask if someone wishes to speak so i see one two and so far three

[0:16:59] Trustee Langereis: Okay, so why don't we start with, why don't we start with Ms. Ash.

[0:17:06] Voice 5: Thank you. I was asked to come here today on behalf of a group of 16 Galileo residents and landowners who have organized a petition regarding Crystal Mountains application.

[0:17:22] Voice 5: So I thought it would be something I'd like to read.

[0:17:26] Voice 5: We'd like to give you the trust committee a copy.

[0:17:29] Voice 5: Oh, for sure.

[0:17:30] Trustee Langereis: So

[0:17:31] Voice 5: the petition, and I will read it out, and this petition has been signed by 174 Gatling Island residents and landowners.

[0:17:43] Voice 5: Names and signatures are attached between October 19 and November 7.

[0:17:50] Voice 5: All signatories have read and discussed the attached fact sheet and have been provided access to five briefs

[0:17:58] Voice 5: dealing with critical topics concerning the Crystal Mountain Society's development plan

[0:18:03] Voice 5: near Spotlight Cove on Galliano Island.

[0:18:07] Voice 5: Specifically with procedural problems and errors, brief one.

[0:18:11] Voice 5: Brief two was duplicate infrastructure on the upper ridge.

[0:18:15] Voice 5: Brief three, critical issues regarding water.

[0:18:18] Voice 5: Brief four, violations of trust policy on forest fragmentation and cluster development.

[0:18:24] Voice 5: 3.5 Lack of Meaningful Indigenous Consultation.

[0:18:30] Voice 5: The petition is read as follows.

[0:18:34] Voice 5: It is titled Petition to the Galliano Islands Local Trust Committee

[0:18:40] Voice 5: regarding the Crystal Mountain Society Development Proposal.

[0:18:44] Voice 5: We, the undersigned, request the Galliano Islands Local Trust Committee

[0:18:49] Voice 5: reject the Crystal Mountain Society Development Proposal

[0:18:52] Voice 5: because it is not in compliance with Islands Trust Directives and Galliano Official Community Plan policy to violate.

[0:19:02] Voice 5: We are particularly concerned that the Crystal Mountain Society development proposal

[0:19:08] Voice 5: is not compliant with policies and directives for water use in a critically vulnerable watershed.

[0:19:14] Voice 5: There is sedimentation, community facilities, commercial visitor retreats, consolidation of infrastructure, indigenous reconciliation and climate change.

[0:19:28] Voice 5: This proposed development would be a precedent setting and impact the whole of Galliano Island.

[0:19:43] Voice 5: I want to trip up on these wires, though.

[0:19:46] Voice 14: Please don't.

[0:20:01] Voice 5: I had another kind of point of information to do with the water licensing.

[0:20:07] Voice 5: I can wait my turn and speak again.

[0:20:10] Voice 5: Is

[0:20:10] Trustee Langereis: it about Crystal Mountain?

[0:20:11] Voice 5: No.

[0:20:14] Trustee Langereis: Oh, okay.

[0:20:15] Trustee Langereis: Why don't we come around back to you then.

[0:20:16] Trustee Langereis: Don't let me forget, though.

[0:20:17] Voice 17: Okay, thank you.

[0:20:18] Trustee Langereis: And just for everybody's record, we have received the five briefs, in fact, I have them right here, that are there.

[0:20:28] Trustee Langereis: So we received those probably two and a half weeks ago.

[0:20:32] Voice 5: And we appreciate that they were posted on the website.

[0:20:35] Voice 5: Oh.

[0:20:37] Voice 5: And I guess I just wanted to add that we are giving you photocopies of the petition because we are still getting signatures coming in.

[0:20:51] Voice 5: And when we are showing that we've come to the end of that,

[0:20:56] Voice 5: we will submit the originals to you in the title, okay?

[0:21:01] Trustee Langereis: Thank you. Thank you.

[0:21:05] Trustee Langereis: Yes, Mr. Ronson.

[0:21:07] Trustee Langereis: Ronson, yeah.

[0:21:09] Voice 2: I have a statement that's under five minutes.

[0:21:12] Voice 2: I'd like to read it as quickly as I could.

[0:21:15] Voice 2: Okay, thank you.

[0:21:17] Voice 2: Good afternoon.

[0:21:19] Voice 2: For those here who I haven't met, my name is John Ronson,

[0:21:23] Voice 2: and I live at 40 Spotlight Drive at the North end. I live adjacent to the

[0:21:28] Voice 2: Crystal Mountain Society forest rezoned lot which as many of you know currently

[0:21:33] Voice 2: has an application for rezoning before our local trust committee. That rezoning

[0:21:38] Voice 2: application is to allow multi-unit construction on the property for their

[0:21:43] Voice 2: retreats. Our local community in and around Spotlight Cove is opposed to the

[0:21:49] Voice 2: Crystal Mountain Society's application to rezone. Nine of ten households say they

[0:21:54] Voice 2: don't want the application to be approved. They have signed their names to a

[0:21:58] Voice 2: petition to oppose it. This is not why our local trust committee must reject

[0:22:04] Voice 2: Crystal Mountain's application. The reason why our local trust committee must reject

[0:22:09] Voice 2: the Crystal Mountain Society's application to rezone its forestry

[0:22:13] Voice 2: land is because the application is not supported by Galliano's official

[0:22:18] Voice 2: community plan. When I read the official community plan for the first time a few

[0:22:23] Voice 2: weeks ago, I was impressed by the amount of thought and consideration that was in

[0:22:28] Voice 2: there. But I am concerned that our local trust committee is not giving the

[0:22:33] Voice 2: attention that it deserves. Section 949-2 of the Municipal Act requires all bylaws

[0:22:41] Voice 2: enacted, permits issued, and works undertaken by the Galliano Island Local

[0:22:47] Voice 2: trust committee be consistent with the official community plan. So the official

[0:22:52] Voice 2: community plan is a document with legal teeth. I wonder if the Crystal Mountain

[0:22:57] Voice 2: applicants already know that their proposal is at odds with the OCP. They

[0:23:02] Voice 2: seem to have twisted themselves into pretzels trying to make their proposal

[0:23:06] Voice 2: fit, particularly section 2, the section on land use. They say that their

[0:23:12] Voice 2: application falls under heading 4 of section 2, which means that it is a

[0:23:17] Voice 2: community, facility, or utility. This is a huge stretch. If you get a chance to look at that part

[0:23:25] Voice 2: of the OCP, scroll down to policies. This states clearly that to qualify as a community facility,

[0:23:32] Voice 2: this must be the principal use. If, on the other hand, you want your property to be for commercial

[0:23:39] Voice 2: purposes, there is a different part of the land use section for you, part five. Part five is where

[0:23:46] Voice 2: the Crystal Mountain Society's application really belongs.

[0:23:50] Voice 2: Community facilities are things like the recycling center, fire halls, ambulance station, health

[0:23:57] Voice 2: care center, church, school, cemetery and the community halls.

[0:24:03] Voice 2: That is what the official community plan says they are.

[0:24:06] Voice 2: These are things that we all benefit from and they are responsive to us because we are

[0:24:11] Voice 2: the users of the services.

[0:24:13] Voice 2: For example, when the community said that it would be good to have free Wi-Fi at the

[0:24:18] Voice 2: library, it was done.

[0:24:21] Voice 2: All these services serve the local community principally and primarily.

[0:24:25] Voice 2: By contrast, the Crystal Mountain Society does not serve or respond to its local community.

[0:24:33] Voice 2: Similar to other resorts on the island, Crystal Mountain serves people from all over the world

[0:24:38] Voice 2: as far as their retreats are concerned.

[0:24:40] Voice 2: concern. They advertise on their website that people come from Europe, South and Central

[0:24:46] Voice 2: America, the United States and New Zealand for their retreats on Galliano Island. A one-week

[0:24:52] Voice 2: retreat costs $445, all the way up to a four-weeks retreat for $1,780. For 2020, the Crystal

[0:25:02] Voice 2: Mountain Society lists 91% of its revenue as from the sale of goods and services. I

[0:25:09] Voice 2: I fully appreciate the value of our commercial operations

[0:25:12] Voice 2: on Galliano.

[0:25:13] Voice 2: I want to see them increased.

[0:25:16] Voice 2: The Crystal Mountain Society may very well benefit

[0:25:18] Voice 2: its retreat goers in the same way that a corner store

[0:25:21] Voice 2: benefits the people who shop at the store.

[0:25:24] Voice 2: But that's not the point.

[0:25:26] Voice 2: The point is that the way Crystal Mountain operates

[0:25:28] Voice 2: and who it serves makes it a commercial operation

[0:25:31] Voice 2: under the OCP, not a community facility.

[0:25:36] Voice 2: So it's time to tell the Crystal Mountain Society

[0:25:39] Voice 2: that their application isn't in line with the OCP and it cannot be improved.

[0:25:44] Voice 2: I'd like to conclude on a historical note. It is my understanding that at the

[0:25:49] Voice 2: time that the OCP for Galliana was actually written, retreats on forest lots

[0:25:54] Voice 2: were discussed. The community decided to not endorse forest lots for retreats.

[0:26:00] Voice 2: They opted instead for a process for residential use of forest lots. That is

[0:26:07] Voice 2: what the forest zone owners wanted and what the community wanted. The OCP can be amended

[0:26:12] Voice 2: or changed. It's for the community to decide as part of a future OCP review. But for today,

[0:26:20] Voice 2: I am respectfully asking that our local trust committee respect the Galliany OCP by not

[0:26:25] Voice 2: allowing commercial retreats on forest rezoned lots. They must reject the rezoning application

[0:26:31] Voice 2: by Crystal Mountain. I thank you all for listening.

[0:26:34] Voice 2: Thank

[0:26:39] Trustee Langereis: you. And just a reminder always that if you have comments like that and you want to submit them to us in writing, please do because it's helpful and then there's a record of them for us to review, go back to, oh, okay, you've got that.

[0:26:56] Trustee Langereis: You just reminded me.

[0:26:58] Trustee Langereis: Well, I was going to say you could email it to us and that will end up eventually on the website.

[0:27:04] Trustee Langereis: Would you rather email?

[0:27:05] Trustee Langereis: No problem.

[0:27:07] Trustee Langereis: Thank you.

[0:27:14] Voice 20: Just sort of following up on what John Ronsley had to say, I took a look back at the election materials that our two trustees ran on in the last election, 2018.

[0:27:39] Voice 20: And their platform included the point, supporting Galliano's official community plan.

[0:27:46] Voice 20: Our OCP, approved in 2011, is the result of countless hours of discussion and debate among many members of the Galliano community.

[0:27:54] Voice 20: Many of its provisions represent difficult compromises.

[0:27:58] Voice 20: It sets out a vision for how the community wants our island to grow and contains policies on many issues.

[0:28:05] Voice 20: Because the OCP represents the views of a substantial cross-section of the community, our decision-making will reflect what it says.

[0:28:16] Voice 20: At the same time, when the opportunity comes for a review of the OCP, we will work hard

[0:28:21] Voice 20: to ensure wide participation by members of the community, including those who did not

[0:28:25] Voice 20: participate last time.

[0:28:27] Voice 20: We will work to ensure the public is active and up-to-date on information.

[0:28:32] Voice 20: I just wanted to remind the trustees of what they had put forward when they ran for election.

[0:28:41] Voice 20: I

[0:28:44] Trustee Langereis: think I saw, Ms. Markison, did you have your hands up on...

[0:28:47] Trustee Langereis: I did.

[0:28:48] Voice 3: I have an initial question that's related to what I was just going to ask you.

[0:29:01] Voice 3: And I'd love to ask the LTC, what is the importance to the LTC of the Trust Policy Statement Directive Checklist in terms of land use decision making?

[0:29:18] Voice 3: We

[0:29:21] Trustee Langereis: review it on every bylaw amendment and every development variance permit?

[0:29:33] Trustee Langereis: No, mostly on bylaw.

[0:29:34] Trustee Langereis: Yes, we do.

[0:29:35] Trustee Langereis: every bylaw amendment it's reviewed as part of that it's both by staff and by ourselves

[0:29:40] Trustee Langereis: well

[0:29:42] Voice 3: i would like to raise um a point um in in terms of the administrative fairness principles

[0:29:49] Voice 3: in the uh relating to the trust policy statement policy 7.1.1 section 2.4

[0:30:00] Voice 3: and Consistency states that bylaws, policies, and procedures should be reviewed for consistency

[0:30:06] Voice 3: with existing trust policies and guidelines, and it goes on to say that the directive checklist

[0:30:13] Voice 3: requires the LTC to address certain matters in their OCPs and regulatory bylaws.

[0:30:21] Voice 3: Now, my first comment relates to Crystal Mountain, and I noticed in reviewing the staff reports

[0:30:27] Voice 3: about an application, that the September 7th staff report states that the LTC has reviewed

[0:30:35] Voice 3: the Islands Trust Policy Statement Directives Policy Checklist and that By-Log 256 and 257

[0:30:43] Voice 3: are not contrary or a variance with the ITPS.

[0:30:50] Voice 3: yes however in that statement if

[0:30:54] Trustee Langereis: i can stop you there if you could i think you'll recall

[0:30:57] Trustee Langereis: unless i'm completely mistaken we didn't pass that we did not pass that motion on september

[0:31:04] Trustee Langereis: okay

[0:31:05] Voice 3: i'm not talking about the motion i'm just talking about what is indicated in the trust

[0:31:10] Voice 3: policy directive yes

[0:31:13] Trustee Langereis: but what i mean is i understood your comment to be that we had

[0:31:17] Trustee Langereis: reviewed it and decided that it was not inconsistent we did not actually adopt that motion yes on that

[0:31:24] Voice 3: day i understand okay

[0:31:25] Trustee Langereis: i'm

[0:31:26] Voice 3: only commenting on what it says in the trust policy directives but i

[0:31:30] Voice 3: appreciate that um so my my question when i looked at that checklist was that 3.2.2

[0:31:41] Voice 3: which is forest ecosystems, the protection of unpregmented forest ecosystems from the

[0:31:48] Voice 3: potentially adverse impacts of growth, development, and land use, was checked off as being in

[0:31:53] Voice 3: compliance, and I realize that you have not passed that, and 4.4.2, freshwater resources,

[0:32:01] Voice 3: which is to address measures that ensure neither the density nor the intensity of land use

[0:32:06] Voice 3: is increased in areas that are known to have problems with quality or quantity of the supply

[0:32:12] Voice 3: of fresh water, water quality is maintained, and existing anticipated and seasonal amounts

[0:32:18] Voice 3: of water are considered and allowed for.

[0:32:22] Voice 3: So my question really relates specifically just to the checklist that I saw that is on

[0:32:28] Voice 3: the public site.

[0:32:29] Voice 3: how can it be seen as how can it be completed as being and can be seen as being in compliance

[0:32:38] Voice 3: especially as

[0:32:39] Voice 3: forest fragmentation seems to be a huge concern for people who know the crystal

[0:32:44] Voice 3: mountain land as i do not i must admit and that the fresh water resources compliance

[0:32:50] Voice 3: is based on a 2015 hydrologist report based on a 12-hour flow test where no neighbors

[0:32:59] Voice 3: as well as for monitoring whatsoever. 2015 is a long time ago. So that's my question

[0:33:05] Voice 3: about Crystal Mountain. I do have a question related to that to both Galliard and Green

[0:33:11] Voice 3: and Widders.

[0:33:13] Trustee Langereis: So I'm not sure I understand your question because, as I just told you, we have not approved

[0:33:19] Trustee Langereis: that checklist. You asked what importance it plays. It plays the importance of being

[0:33:27] Trustee Langereis: being the template against which we look at any bylaw review.

[0:33:30] Trustee Langereis: We look at the trust policy statement.

[0:33:32] Trustee Langereis: There's also something called the trust policy implementation

[0:33:35] Trustee Langereis: policy, which allows local trust committees to,

[0:33:40] Trustee Langereis: in some circumstances, to be at variance with trust policy.

[0:33:44] Trustee Langereis: But we haven't even done that with the Crystal Mountain yet.

[0:33:47] Trustee Langereis: There is a draft, I'll call it a draft checklist,

[0:33:52] Trustee Langereis: that has not yet been approved by the local trust committee.

[0:33:55] Trustee Langereis: So I'm not quite sure how we can answer your question, given that we have not yet reviewed it in the sense of approving it.

[0:34:02] Trustee Langereis: Okay,

[0:34:03] Voice 3: well, this may be my difficulty in completely understanding the process.

[0:34:07] Voice 3: So that directive, let's say for Crystal Mountain, is there in the public record on the trust website?

[0:34:15] Voice 3: It

[0:34:15] Trustee Langereis: was part of a staff report.

[0:34:17] Trustee Langereis: Part

[0:34:17] Voice 3: of a staff report.

[0:34:18] Voice 3: And a

[0:34:19] Trustee Langereis: staff report is a staff report.

[0:34:21] Trustee Langereis: Okay,

[0:34:22] Voice 3: so it would, however, lead some of us to question how a staff report can tick off compliance with certain, you know, aspects that are questionable in a particular...

[0:34:38] Trustee Langereis: Sorry, I'm

[0:34:39] Voice 3: looking this way. I can't see you. Go ahead.

[0:34:42] Voice 19: So the staff compile the checklist, staff analyze the directives in the checklist and provide their advice or recommendations to the LTC for them to make decisions.

[0:34:55] Voice 19: In my view, in staff's view, the fragmentation piece, I think that fragmentation is largely addressed in the giving up of the 75%.

[0:35:03] Voice 19: and we could speak about my views around fragmentation more, but they're different than the sum in the community.

[0:35:13] Voice 19: From my perspective, it is compliant with that.

[0:35:17] Voice 19: The water sampling, I would say that same from my perspective with respect to the assessment that was done,

[0:35:30] Voice 19: the low volume of water that is required and the hydrogeologists continuing investment in

[0:35:37] Voice 19: explaining his perspectives give me some comfort that the water risk is low however given the new

[0:35:44] Voice 19: mapping and the new information and you know it is only one test so I'm always supportive of more

[0:35:51] Voice 19: sampling and more testing as I've said all along all of these applications and that is what LTC

[0:35:58] Voice 19: see uh decided at the last meeting as well that they were not uh ready to consider that particular

[0:36:06] Voice 19: aspect that particular aspect and that they in particular want the results of the further data

[0:36:15] Voice 19: logger testing that they've requested uh and that the applicant is planning and i

[0:36:20] Voice 3: would like to

[0:36:20] Voice 3: suggest that that section the freshwater resources section of the directive the the change from being

[0:36:28] Voice 3: in compliance with more information being sought or so that it's clear to people who are looking

[0:36:35] Voice 3: at this time so

[0:36:36] Voice 19: by the time i dropped it my perspective was that it wasn't complex

[0:36:41] Voice 3: okay thank you um so i do want to just speak very briefly about giggers and galleon well we're going

[0:36:48] Trustee Langereis: to get to those in a moment we're still in the the

[0:36:51] Voice 3: non-giggers

[0:36:52] Trustee Langereis: non-galley and i know that

[0:36:54] Trustee Langereis: uh that uh

[0:36:55] Trustee Langereis: but Sheila Anderson has not responded, so.

[0:36:58] Trustee Langereis: Was there anybody else before I go back to Ms. Anderson?

[0:37:00] Trustee Langereis: Yeah.

[0:37:01] Trustee Langereis: This is non-Giggers, non-Galley.

[0:37:03] Voice 22: Oh, shut up.

[0:37:05] Voice 22: I would just like to strongly support

[0:37:08] Voice 22: staff's recommendation to adopt by-law one, two,

[0:37:12] Voice 22: no, two, seven, one.

[0:37:15] Trustee Langereis: Okay, I can never do numbers.

[0:37:17] Trustee Langereis: Okay, with that.

[0:37:18] Voice 22: Yeah, the Gaviro.

[0:37:19] Trustee Langereis: Okay, okay, thank you.

[0:37:21] Trustee Langereis: I thought that was our only adoption on this table.

[0:37:24] Trustee Langereis: Thank you.

[0:37:25] Trustee Langereis: Yes, sir.

[0:37:27] Voice 22: I understand how much of the citizens

[0:37:35] Voice 22: around the Crystal Mountain development.

[0:37:42] Voice 22: I understand there are reasons for not liking it.

[0:37:46] Voice 22: They didn't like the forest lot being touched at all,

[0:37:54] Voice 22: because many of them were instrumental in getting

[0:38:01] Voice 22: getting the four-slot saved from development early on.

[0:38:05] Voice 22: And I appreciate that.

[0:38:08] Voice 22: But I don't see the Crystal Mountain will be a precedent.

[0:38:19] Voice 22: I've been told by the trustees that each application is

[0:38:25] Voice 22: judged on its merit at the time.

[0:38:34] Voice 22: In regard to the OCP, it's been amended from time to time.

[0:38:40] Voice 22: It's not written in stone.

[0:38:41] Voice 22: And if there's different applications, sometimes the OCP has to be nice to them.

[0:38:50] Voice 22: Um, based on the petition, I read the petition very carefully and tell whether what the petition said was true or not.

[0:39:07] Voice 22: Before the public really should have an opinion on this, we should have the petition and the people's ideas,

[0:39:16] Voice 22: And then we have the Crystal Mountain answering those queries so that people don't have points

[0:39:28] Voice 22: that are, you know, they're one-sided.

[0:39:34] Voice 22: I think that it might be fair to Crystal Mountain to have a community information meeting where

[0:39:43] Voice 22: they answer these questions.

[0:39:46] Voice 22: And I don't know the answers to the questions.

[0:39:50] Voice 22: I don't know if their floor slots have been divided up, etc.

[0:39:57] Voice 22: And if the water's a problem, I don't know whether it is or not.

[0:40:04] Voice 22: So the point is, I can see the Crystal Mountain application getting hard done by, pushed around by what's been said.

[0:40:27] Voice 22: And maybe it needs to be pushed around. I don't know.

[0:40:31] Voice 22: Any

[0:40:39] Trustee Langereis: more back to you, Ms. Atkinson?

[0:40:40] Trustee Langereis: Yes,

[0:40:42] Voice 5: I just wanted to point out something in response to Trustee Wolbert's report on the licensing for commercial.

[0:40:51] Voice 5: The Galliano Farmers Institute received information that they shared out to everyone that are members.

[0:41:00] Voice 5: But in reading how to just license a well for domestic use, it does allow you to have a certain area of garden that you water, and it's fairly limited.

[0:41:15] Voice 5: But if you're keeping any kind of livestock, chickens, goats, sheep, horse, pony, whatever, you are considered industrial and you have to license your well.

[0:41:31] Voice 5: Which is kind of a shocking thing because the material doesn't give you any, if you have over-listening animals or if you have three chickens, it's okay, they don't give you anything like that.

[0:41:46] Voice 5: And to also have people doing stuff just for homestead, their own food and that, it's called industrial instead of farming.

[0:41:58] Voice 5: So I just wanted to bring that to your attention, that it isn't just commercials that need to get this license,

[0:42:04] Voice 5: it's anyone who's doing more than a very limited garden, you know, a small veggie patch in the front yard and a couple of fruit trees probably fits.

[0:42:14] Voice 5: But if you're doing more than that, any kind of horticultural extension, well, you better check it out.

[0:42:20] Voice 5: So I just wanted to raise that.

[0:42:22] Trustee Langereis: Just on that point, if

[0:42:24] Trustee Langereis: you go on to our website, and I know some people have, I still have problems navigating the new website because it's different and it'll take some time to get used to, but there is a section on projects and if you go into our water section, a lot of the links are there related to the provincial requirements.

[0:42:43] Trustee Langereis: requirements that require the the way you can go about getting a registering your own personal well

[0:42:49] Trustee Langereis: which is not a licensing but it's a registration to give you the first in time person right

[0:42:55] Trustee Langereis: for protection under the water sustainability act so there is some material there if you want

[0:43:01] Trustee Langereis: a shortcut to the provincial material but thank you for that yes miss doby yeah

[0:43:05] Voice 24: i i mean i just

[0:43:06] Voice 24: went through the licensing process for our own farm and anything that is not domestic use

[0:43:12] Voice 24: produce, yes, you have to license. So like for our chickens, like we sell excess eggs.

[0:43:19] Voice 24: So I mean, if I only have five chickens, that would be domestic, as far as I'm concerned.

[0:43:23] Voice 24: But because we're selling produce and selling stuff, then we have to get a license and we

[0:43:29] Voice 24: have to do that ourselves.

[0:43:30] Voice 14: I would

[0:43:31] Voice 6: also say that William Schultz of the Trust is also there as a good resource if

[0:43:40] Voice 6: if you have you know questions that um about this

[0:43:45] Voice 5: thank you i just wanted to add it is quite

[0:43:48] Voice 5: surprising when you look at the water the map that shows all the registered wells how many

[0:43:55] Voice 5: wells are not red yet and ours is one of them because it was a dove well and um and i noticed

[0:44:03] Voice 5: And the report for the affordable housing over here, the licensing report,

[0:44:09] Voice 5: showed I think 19 anticipated unregistered wells within the area.

[0:44:15] Voice 5: That's quite a lot.

[0:44:17] Voice 6: Yeah, and I think that the requirement is now that dug wells have to be registered.

[0:44:23] Trustee Langereis: Okay, so that's a very interesting discussion, and I'm going to move on.

[0:44:27] Trustee Langereis: So thanks.

[0:44:28] Trustee Langereis: I don't see any other hands up on non-galley, non-geegers issues.

[0:44:32] Trustee Langereis: So who would like to step up first?

[0:44:35] Trustee Langereis: Okay, Trustee Rockefeller. Well, let me just find out, does anybody

[0:44:38] Trustee Langereis: wish to address the Galley application before, maybe you don't have to?

[0:44:43] Trustee Langereis: Oh, there are

[0:44:44] Trustee Langereis: people that want to talk about the Galley. So thanks, Trustee Rockefeller. You can hide somewhere quiet.

[0:44:49] Trustee Langereis: I think, Mendoza, I think I saw your hand first.

[0:45:00] Voice 24: So, I mean, first of all, I really wanted to commend Carly and the CIM minutes for Galley documenting the Q&A.

[0:45:10] Voice 24: Great work. I have one suggestion. On page 149, there's a question that was posed by Trustee Wolverton that isn't quite capturing the essence of what was being asked.

[0:45:30] Voice 24: And so the answer makes it appear that there might be prohibitions against the use of rainwater harvesting.

[0:45:38] Voice 24: And it's a question about the way it appears really needs to be contextualized.

[0:45:44] Voice 24: The question was around mixing rainwater artisans with groundwater collection.

[0:45:51] Voice 24: Because otherwise the answer just seems like, well, it just doesn't seem correct.

[0:45:58] Voice 24: That

[0:45:59] Voice 6: would be my request.

[0:46:00] Voice 6: So Colleen sent a note about that.

[0:46:04] Voice 6: What I was trying to ascertain is whether you could have a dual tank system, one of which is filled by rainwater, that is for firefighting purposes, and the other that is filled by groundwater, which is for the balancing and emergency.

[0:46:19] Voice 6: And then since then I did have correspondence with Planner Smith who, I can't remember exactly how you put it, it was that it's not, not currently, what was it?

[0:46:37] Voice 19: Essentially a dual rainwater, groundwater system is not commercially viable at this time.

[0:46:43] Voice 19: Yeah.

[0:46:44] Voice 19: The regulations don't support that nor does the infrastructure.

[0:46:48] Voice 19: Yeah.

[0:46:49] Voice 19: There would be risks, I also mentioned too, having your firewater storage as rainwater

[0:46:56] Voice 19: capture as you really require that for insurance purposes as well as obviously safety, that

[0:47:04] Voice 19: storage system is functioning and if for example in a drought period you had

[0:47:11] Voice 17: a fire and you

[0:47:11] Voice 17: used that water,

[0:47:13] Voice 19: there's many reasons why.

[0:47:20] Trustee Langereis: Okay, thank you. Was there anything else? Okay, I saw a couple of other hands up around Galley alone. Yes, was that you, Mr. Moseley? Or are you just adjusting your hands?

[0:47:30] Voice 20: I was going to refer bleakly to Galley if people want to speak directly on Galley.

[0:47:34] Voice 20: It's a reference that I don't think the operator should be here for, but I thought people were speaking directly on Galley.

[0:47:48] Trustee Langereis: Okay. Yes, Ms. Marks.

[0:47:51] Voice 3: This is just related to the test policy statement directness checklist, and I see that there is no checklist available at this point for galley.

[0:48:02] Voice 3: And also, I'm wondering, the CIM, is that going to be available online as well as just minutes?

[0:48:12] Voice 19: Recording, you mean?

[0:48:13] Voice 3: Yeah, recording.

[0:48:16] Trustee Langereis: Is it not up yet?

[0:48:17] Voice 8: It didn't appear to me.

[0:48:20] Voice 8: It's sometimes

[0:48:21] Trustee Langereis: hard to find.

[0:48:22] Trustee Langereis: You

[0:48:22] Voice 8: have to go

[0:48:22] Trustee Langereis: back to the actual date of the meeting and find it

[0:48:26] Trustee Langereis: there under the date

[0:48:27] Trustee Langereis: of the meeting.

[0:48:28] Voice 3: I might not have been looking in the right spot.

[0:48:29] Trustee Langereis: It took me a minute to figure that out too, but I also understand why they do it, but

[0:48:33] Trustee Langereis: if you go back to the actual date of the meeting, and I can, we can do that,

[0:48:38] Trustee Langereis: that's probably

[0:48:39] Trustee Langereis: where it is.

[0:48:40] Trustee Langereis: Sure.

[0:48:40] Trustee Langereis: I'd be surprised if it's not up yet, because they're usually two or three days now.

[0:48:44] Voice 3: Okay, well just very quickly, in relation to a question that I asked in the CIM of Gali,

[0:48:50] Voice 3: I asked the hydrologist, in his report, he had taken into account three important factors,

[0:48:57] Voice 3: two of which are specifically mentioned in the Fresh Water Resources Directive 4.4.2

[0:49:04] Voice 3: of the Trust Policy Statement, and that is no water problems and anticipated and seasonal demands.

[0:49:12] Voice 3: And I was looking to sort of see his exact words, but my recollection is that he acknowledged

[0:49:20] Voice 3: that he had not taken those things into account and in fact I believe in his answer he somewhat

[0:49:26] Voice 3: misrepresented my question about climate change in talking about how much weather it is in the

[0:49:32] Voice 3: winter when in fact that really adds nothing to the water that we have in the dry season so

[0:49:38] Voice 3: just in reference to galley I'm just the directive checklist doesn't exist yet I don't know when

[0:49:46] Voice 3: then that will be completed,

[0:49:49] Voice 3: but I would just be concerned that the same sort of emissions

[0:49:54] Voice 3: that are here to be present in the Crystal Mountain checklist,

[0:50:00] Voice 3: the lack of information on those,

[0:50:03] Voice 3: particularly on freshwater resources,

[0:50:05] Voice 3: don't result in just an automatic compliance check

[0:50:10] Voice 3: on that directive checklist.

[0:50:12] Voice 3: Thank you.

[0:50:16] Voice 11: Yes.

[0:50:16] Voice 23: Well, this is my first.

[0:50:20] Trustee Langereis: Sorry, maybe you could state your name. I don't know.

[0:50:22] Voice 23: Joan Henriquez.

[0:50:24] Trustee Langereis: Oh, hello. I was just reading your letter. Thank you.

[0:50:27] Voice 23: Is now the time to talk about it?

[0:50:28] Trustee Langereis: About Galley?

[0:50:29] Trustee Langereis: Yes.

[0:50:30] Trustee Langereis: Yes, if you want to, we've read your, I've read your letter. I assume that Trustee

[0:50:34] Trustee Langereis: Wilberton and Trust Planner Smith have read your letter, but go ahead, yes.

[0:50:39] Trustee Langereis: Yeah,

[0:50:40] Voice 23: I think it's a terrific initiative, and I do support it in principle, but I am also concerned about water.

[0:50:55] Voice 23: And so I had six requests, some of which may have already been addressed, such as the rainwater harvesting and sewer treatment.

[0:51:11] Voice 23: I think that is planning to be done, is that correct?

[0:51:17] Voice 23: Yes.

[0:51:18] Voice 23: Yes.

[0:51:19] Voice 23: That's in the plans and that's anticipated that that will be carried out?

[0:51:24] Voice 19: Plans will be carried out.

[0:51:26] Voice 19: So what they're currently proposing is groundwater for fire balancing and emergency storage and

[0:51:32] Voice 19: any irrigation and outdoor needs would be rainwater harvesting.

[0:51:36] Voice 19: So there are commercial, the regulations and the infrastructure for commercial application

[0:51:45] Voice 19: of a mixed rainwater groundwater system do not exist so the current industry standard

[0:51:53] Voice 19: and really the only current pathway is a potable water system and to have an entirely rainwater

[0:52:01] Voice 19: a catchment system for a commercial application that size as you can appreciate

[0:52:06] Voice 19: probably so really groundwater is their only option at this point i would say for those three

[0:52:12] Voice 19: key water okay

[0:52:16] Voice 23: well what what concerned me was um thank you the summer where i was um i mean

[0:52:25] Voice 23: people on that in that area did run out of water i didn't but um you know i was terrified that i

[0:52:31] Voice 23: I was going to. And with more users in that area, that is a concern, so I was wondering

[0:52:38] Voice 23: if further study before the initiative is approved of the neighbouring wells, not just

[0:52:45] Voice 23: the Galley well and water requirements, if the neighbouring wells could be carried out

[0:52:53] Voice 23: by um the trusts is a hydro hydro hydrologist or hydro geologist whatever it is uh could they

[0:53:03] Voice 23: please carry that out i think his name is william schulbach or a professional delegate delegate and

[0:53:10] Voice 23: that he had to take current studies of the water quality and supply in the neighborhood of selected

[0:53:18] Voice 23: That's one thing.

[0:53:20] Trustee Langereis: So can I just stop you there for a moment?

[0:53:21] Trustee Langereis: It's not currently in Mr. Schilder's job to actually do the on-the-ground studies that you're talking about,

[0:53:29] Trustee Langereis: which doesn't mean that there can't be some response to your request,

[0:53:34] Trustee Langereis: but I just wanted to be clear so people weren't misunderstanding that William was actually going out personally

[0:53:40] Trustee Langereis: and putting monitors in or doing studies of wells, etc., etc.

[0:53:47] Trustee Langereis: He's one person servicing 13 local trust areas, so he's more in the policy development and

[0:53:52] Trustee Langereis: study and education and overseeing and reviewing work that's actually done.

[0:53:59] Trustee Langereis: So I'm not saying that your request can't be accommodated in some fashion.

[0:54:04] Trustee Langereis: We can talk about it at the Trust Committee, but it wouldn't be Mr. Schilba himself who

[0:54:11] Trustee Langereis: does it, or anybody probably from the Trust, given that he's the only hydrologist we have

[0:54:15] Trustee Langereis: want to stop

[0:54:15] Voice 23: okay thank you that's why i said or a professional delegate right

[0:54:19] Trustee Langereis: because i didn't know

[0:54:20] Voice 4: that okay thanks um

[0:54:21] Voice 23: i don't understand i'm sorry um being relatively new here and not

[0:54:30] Voice 23: accustomed to these meetings and all and as i said it's my first one but um

[0:54:36] Voice 23: i'll read what i put in the letter that galliano residents be informed about how much already

[0:54:41] Voice 23: already zoned out for build has yet to occur in the neighbourhood and that the anticipated

[0:54:47] Voice 23: demand for water be taken into account in a more detailed and thorough assessment of

[0:54:52] Voice 23: water for the galley proposed development as specified in 4.4.2 of the Honours Trust

[0:54:59] Voice 23: Policy Statement Directive. There's quite a lot going on in that particular neighbourhood,

[0:55:04] Voice 23: but especially in the summer, you know, I made a list in this letter of all the stores

[0:55:12] Voice 23: and, you know, there's all sorts happening that are all drying on water and with, I don't

[0:55:20] Voice 23: know how many more people, but say from 30 to 50 more people and possibly their guests

[0:55:25] Voice 23: in the summertime with possible heat domes and lack of rain, it could be quite a

[0:55:35] Voice 23: scary time for people who need to use water. I know that at least two wells in

[0:55:43] Voice 23: that area ran dry. So that's something I have respectfully requested and I also

[0:55:52] Voice 23: I also ask that a thorough study of the implications of such a large septic field

[0:55:58] Voice 23: next door to the existing large septic field at the Page Drive

[0:56:01] Voice 23: is conducted to provide information about the possibility of contamination of nearby wells

[0:56:08] Voice 23: and details provided on how to ensure this does not happen.

[0:56:13] Voice 23: I assume that will happen.

[0:56:19] Voice 19: Yeah, go ahead.

[0:56:20] Voice 19: That work is essentially underway by the applicant.

[0:56:23] Voice 19: So the septic design professional who made one proposed site for the septic and the ecological assessment by the biologist proposed that that wasn't the best site, so now they're working towards confirming that a different bench on the property has the capacity to meet their septic needs.

[0:56:42] Voice 23: That's interesting, thank you.

[0:56:44] Voice 23: Okay, well then I ask that if galley is approved, that specified neighboring wells be regularly monitored, including the new observation well going in here,

[0:57:00] Voice 23: and if water becomes insufficient or dangerously low in any wells, we would all, including those in the housing context, need to be informed so that we could reduce draw from our wells,

[0:57:11] Voice 23: and that this consequence should be part of the revised by-law. Does that make sense?

[0:57:19] Trustee Langereis: Probably not part of any by-law. The request would probably end up, if it was approved, in a covenant that would be taxed.

[0:57:27] Trustee Langereis: Okay.

[0:57:28] Trustee Langereis: Thank you for your suggestion.

[0:57:30] Voice 23: And then I just ended by saying all the above are fully addressed prior to agreeing the Galley proposal and before construction where it proceeds.

[0:57:41] Voice 23: Okay, so

[0:57:42] Trustee Langereis: thank you for your input and for coming today.

[0:57:46] Trustee Langereis: Is there anybody else on GALI?

[0:57:49] Trustee Langereis: I

[0:57:50] Voice 20: was going to, I was interested in the material on GALI and the agenda package,

[0:57:59] Voice 20: which indicated that the maximum daily demand, and by the way I'm quite supportive of GALI

[0:58:09] Voice 20: And finally, I hope that the technical information, water, septic, etc., can check out and that this affordable housing project goes ahead because it's a very critical need in the community and it is in a reasonably good location close to amenities.

[0:58:33] Voice 20: I was interested in, and the other thing about Galea I was interested in is that they've done really extensive work on water, which I'm quite impressed with the amount of work that was done.

[0:58:48] Voice 20: The water testing and the indication that their maximum daily demand would be 11,500 liters per day for 50 people.

[0:59:01] Voice 20: because the good work done on water for Galley is in contrast to rather limited work, relatively limited work done on the Kustanakadong,

[0:59:14] Voice 20: which we're talking about 22 people as opposed to 50 people, but the maximum daily demand according to the draft water management plan

[0:59:30] Voice 20: is only 3,052 liters per day, that's like a little more than a quarter for about half the number of people.

[0:59:42] Voice 20: There's a serious underestimation of water needs in the Crystal Mountain area,

[0:59:48] Voice 20: and when you contrast it with the work that was done for Galway, it's quite visible.

[0:59:55] Voice 20: And the really interesting issue is that in the last...

[1:00:00] Voice 20: September 7th was the first time that there was any request made that data logging began in the Crystal Mountain water area.

[1:00:08] Voice 20: And the data log was put in to capture the recharge period from October to January, I believe, when they were supposed to report back.

[1:00:24] Voice 20: back um but it was interesting and there have been discussions i know with the trustees about

[1:00:32] Voice 20: whether that's enough because in contrast to galley where the logger is put in in the drive

[1:00:39] Voice 20: trip so you get a complete look at that aquifer home he gave us in the drawdown

[1:00:46] Voice 20: and in the recharge and they also did neighboring wells i noticed in the

[1:00:50] Voice 20: Dr. Port at Galley showing that on Page Drive they did get a little bit of well-interference in Page Drive.

[1:00:59] Voice 20: There was some well-interference, something like the standing level went down by 8%.

[1:01:05] Voice 20: It's not a lot, but it's good to have that data to have done that testing.

[1:01:10] Voice 20: And that kind of testing is not done in the case of Crystal Mountain.

[1:01:13] Voice 20: And the dry season is a critical time to log what's happening with the aquifer.

[1:01:23] Voice 20: And in fact, on September 7th, the planner gave all the reasons that you need to also do the drawdown period.

[1:01:33] Voice 20: period. And because he said, you know, you wouldn't understand what happened all through

[1:01:40] Voice 20: April, May and June, if you only use the recharge period from October to January. You know,

[1:01:51] Voice 20: all these months, you need to go with the other two, the other two projects, I think

[1:01:56] Voice 20: they meant we hopefully catch the June, July, August drawdown, and then observing that

[1:02:01] Voice 20: recharge whenever that occurs whenever the major refreshments come and then you'll have some sense

[1:02:06] Voice 20: of not only the level of drawdown but also the recharge curve throwing it in now you only get

[1:02:11] Voice 20: a bottom level you wouldn't see whether it's been like that the whole time or if it's been on a

[1:02:16] Voice 20: gradual or fast drawdown which i think is quite well taken by the well said by the planner and

[1:02:22] Voice 20: that i think is something the trustees need to look at in terms of the water work that they're

[1:02:28] Voice 20: doing around crystal mountain the the test was a 12-hour test it was done only 12 hours done in

[1:02:34] Voice 20: 2015 and uh more work needs to be done in terms of crystal mountain's water sustainability issues

[1:02:47] Trustee Langereis: i'm not seeing anybody else on galley so i think oh you're speaking on galley

[1:02:52] Trustee Langereis: Just

[1:02:52] Voice 20: a quick

[1:02:53] Voice 22: comment. I attended the talk online. I was very impressed with the work that's been done, and the answers, they answered the questions to my, to my, as they sounded like the answers, they had the answers.

[1:03:16] Voice 22: And I've seen on the television or the handouts I'm aware, there's over a thousand people asking for the same money that Gali is asking for.

[1:03:37] Voice 22: And most of it is going to cities and everything.

[1:03:42] Voice 22: And I think it was made that the sooner you can get your act together and get your zoning and everything done, the sooner you can get some money for that.

[1:04:01] Voice 22: And I'd like to point out that if we did get money for galley, it would be a boon to the industry.

[1:04:12] Voice 22: Okay. Industry. Thanks.

[1:04:15] Trustee Langereis: Move us along and I'm going to ask you, Trustee Wilmington, to

[1:04:19] Trustee Langereis: cross switch with Trustee Rockefeller and we'll come back. I'm guessing

[1:04:23] Voice 12: there's a few

[1:04:24] Voice 12: people who want to speak. Does anybody wish to speak to Giger? I guess maybe I should

[1:04:28] Voice 12: ask that question before I send her over. Yes, and I see Ms. Markison wishes to. Okay,

[1:04:53] Trustee Langereis: so anybody who hasn't spoken for the first time and wants to speak, I'll go to Ms. Jennifer

[1:05:00] Trustee Langereis: for our person. Okay, Ms. Stewart, please. I'm

[1:05:06] Voice 3: just continuing with my three-part concern, I guess, and so relating to the GIGRS application, there have been six staff reports and one staff MAMO, at least the ones that are online, between December 9, 2019 and September 7, 2021, so almost a two-year period.

[1:05:30] Voice 3: And yet, we have as yet to see a Trust Policy Statement Directive checklist for this application.

[1:05:37] Voice 3: We've repeatedly asked about this and about the OCP checklist for this development.

[1:05:45] Voice 3: And yet, we still are proceeding with this application up to the point of Trust staff legal resources being used to draw up a housing agreement and a covenant.

[1:05:56] Voice 3: And I guess my question would be why are we not, why have we not seen a trust policy statement

[1:06:07] Voice 3: directives and OCP checklist for this application in almost two years?

[1:06:15] Voice 3: It seems to me that these trust policy directives form a very dead rock of the trust mandate

[1:06:24] Voice 3: to preserve and protect, either being completed in terms of compliance, sometimes with very

[1:06:31] Voice 3: little evidence to show that this is true, or in the case of this particular application,

[1:06:38] Voice 3: not being provided at all. And this is an application process where there are a lot

[1:06:45] Voice 3: of other resources being extended at this point.

[1:06:49] Trustee Langereis: So your question is, why haven't you seen an OCPT or a trust policy statement checklist yet?

[1:06:56] Trustee Langereis: Yes.

[1:06:57] Trustee Langereis: I guess I can turn to the planner and ask why we haven't seen it,

[1:07:02] Trustee Langereis: but I'll just say the general rule, it arrives when it arrives,

[1:07:05] Trustee Langereis: and it arrives before we give third reading to a bylaw.

[1:07:11] Trustee Langereis: It's related to the bylaw, but just from my experience,

[1:07:16] Trustee Langereis: it sometimes arrives early and sometimes arrives later.

[1:07:18] Trustee Langereis: usually later in the process than earlier,

[1:07:20] Trustee Langereis: but I'll turn it to the planner and he can answer that.

[1:07:23] Voice 19: So the general process is that a planner does not bring the,

[1:07:28] Voice 19: well, typically a planner would bring

[1:07:31] Voice 19: the trust policy statement checklist forward

[1:07:34] Voice 19: at time of recommending first reading.

[1:07:36] Voice 19: Staff have not done that with GIGRS.

[1:07:39] Voice 19: LTC went to first reading

[1:07:41] Voice 19: despite the recommendation of staff.

[1:07:43] Voice 19: So the process to complete that checklist

[1:07:48] Voice 19: this is a test of compliance and so for consistency so staff will not bring it to the LTC until they

[1:07:58] Voice 19: deemed it to be consistent and so in the case of Giggers in my perspective I am not convinced on

[1:08:08] Voice 19: the water question yet and the information that is being collected by LTC with respect to this

[1:08:13] Voice 19: water testing which will provide a good record of testing from the relatively low period when

[1:08:19] Voice 19: they installed it and the uh some of the drop down of that curve as well as the recharge

[1:08:25] Voice 19: uh will be very uh helpful to better understand the applying the policies around four two and

[1:08:32] Voice 19: whether they're consistent with this before i brought a statement uh checklist to that

[1:08:39] Voice 19: Okay,

[1:08:42] Voice 3: thank you for that Brad. I guess just bringing to that, we would also ask that monitoring of adjacent neighborhood wells also be included in that determination before compliance is determined.

[1:08:57] Voice 3: And particularly since we have gone through a very challenging summer in our neighborhood.

[1:09:04] Voice 3: And we have repeatedly asked that, you know, already occurring water problems in our neighborhood be included in the determinations on this application.

[1:09:14] Voice 3: So, I put that forward again on behalf of many people in our neighborhood.

[1:09:19] Voice 19: I certainly understand your perspectives around the current and future potential use.

[1:09:24] Voice 3: Time to build on it as well.

[1:09:26] Voice 3: That's

[1:09:26] Voice 19: what I mean by the current and future potential use.

[1:09:29] Voice 19: Yeah,

[1:09:29] Voice 3: yeah. I mean, our strata alone is only one third real pipe.

[1:09:33] Voice 19: So it's my understanding that when the province undertakes their water license considerations, they do apply some build-out assessment and so there's many factors that staff will look at when considering whether, from our perspective, it is consistent with the policy statement and what we'll do.

[1:09:57] Voice 19: Well

[1:09:58] Voice 3: I would just like it on record that my discussions with the commercial water license people and the reports that we have seen from them show no evidence whatsoever that they have taken bail revenue into account.

[1:10:10] Voice 3: I would like to see it if they have. I do not see that in any of the documentation provided.

[1:10:16] Voice 3: So I

[1:10:16] Voice 19: think there is some record of that in the emails they've provided back to you with the questions answered.

[1:10:21] Voice 19: If you wanted that information you could FOI the province and seek it.

[1:10:25] Voice 4: We have tried to do that repeatedly in

[1:10:28] Trustee Langereis: other sessions.

[1:10:29] Trustee Langereis: Alright, this

[1:10:30] Voice 19: sounds like a

[1:10:30] Trustee Langereis: conversation you guys

[1:10:31] Trustee Langereis: can have offline.

[1:10:33] Trustee Langereis: Is there anybody else wishing to speak

[1:10:37] Trustee Langereis: about the Giggers application subject to when we put

[1:10:41] Trustee Langereis: your letter on our agenda for later, Ms. Doty? Is there anybody else

[1:10:45] Trustee Langereis: that wishes to speak on this? No? Okay, thank you.

[1:10:50] Trustee Langereis: Then I'm assuming that we're going to close the town hall now and

[1:10:54] Trustee Langereis: and get on with our business, and thank you very much for your commentary, I'm hoping

[1:11:01] Trustee Langereis: we're still broadcasting, I got the thumbs up related to that earlier, so hopefully we

[1:11:07] Trustee Langereis: are.

[1:11:23] Trustee Langereis: Okay, so we're finished having all the questions, there's no CIM or public hearing, we're at

[1:11:29] Trustee Langereis: the minutes of, sorry, I just need to find my package again, I've moved off of it, we're

[1:11:49] Trustee Langereis: have the minutes which start at page four from october the fourth uh trustees are there any

[1:11:57] Trustee Langereis: amendments questions comments about regarding the minutes from october the yes trustee rockefeller

[1:12:05] Trustee Langereis: i

[1:12:05] Voice 7: don't think he was

[1:12:14] Trustee Langereis: either he wasn't here and we weren't zooming so he couldn't have been

[1:12:19] Trustee Langereis: Someone should probably take him out. It was the hologram of Robert Kuchina. Anything else

[1:12:27] Trustee Langereis: for the minutes? I just had a question and maybe you guys can help me. About six lines

[1:12:36] Trustee Langereis: up from the, and I'm sorry, Trustee Wolverton, this relates to something that you were recused

[1:12:42] Trustee Langereis: for but the the there's a series of comments and then the third from the

[1:12:51] Trustee Langereis: bottom where it says the LTC requested a hydrologist report hydrogeologist

[1:12:57] Trustee Langereis: previously the intention received data not to delay the application my I think

[1:13:03] Trustee Langereis: that's supposed to be a data monitoring report is it am I where am I wrong the

[1:13:08] Trustee Langereis: It's the third, it's on page five of the package, page two of the minutes, third bullet from

[1:13:14] Trustee Langereis: the bottom.

[1:13:14] Voice 8: Okay.

[1:13:15] Trustee Langereis: The LTC requested a...

[1:13:18] Voice 8: Yeah, it was a hydrologist report on the Deedle water.

[1:13:22] Trustee Langereis: Oh, okay.

[1:13:23] Trustee Langereis: All right.

[1:13:23] Trustee Langereis: So that's fine.

[1:13:24] Trustee Langereis: So that's fine.

[1:13:24] Trustee Langereis: That's the only comment I have.

[1:13:26] Trustee Langereis: So we'll take those minutes approved as presented with the amendment for Robert Kojima.

[1:13:32] Trustee Langereis: We then have the local trust committee CIM minutes from, which are on page 11 from October the 23rd. This is the galley.

[1:13:44] Trustee Langereis: So for Trustee Wolpert, do you have any amendments to make related to that?

[1:13:50] Voice 6: No, just the one clarification that came out of the question and answer period.

[1:13:58] Voice 6: is so

[1:13:59] Trustee Langereis: my question is does

[1:14:01] Trustee Langereis: anything need to be changed we had the comment but does anything need

[1:14:05] Voice 6: to be changed

[1:14:05] Trustee Langereis: related to that because i wasn't able to find the question or the answer which

[1:14:12] Voice 6: i i think i think it's fine okay i

[1:14:15] Voice 6: think everyone's clear okay so we'll take

[1:14:17] Trustee Langereis: those minutes

[1:14:18] Trustee Langereis: adopted as presented then there are no uh rwm minutes there's no apc minutes we have a follow-up

[1:14:24] Trustee Langereis: action list starting on page um 17 and so i'll turn to the planner do you have anything you

[1:14:34] Trustee Langereis: wish to flag related to follow-up actions okay trustees questions for the for the planner related

[1:14:44] Trustee Langereis: to the follow-up action nothing what's on trustee wolverton no i i had one on the very first page

[1:15:06] Trustee Langereis: On page 17, there's one related to the Giggers, it says completed.

[1:15:11] Trustee Langereis: I assume because we haven't seen it, it's still in progress, is that correct?

[1:15:16] Trustee Langereis: That's the number one on March 1st, 2021.

[1:15:20] Trustee Langereis: It's talking about the 219 covenant on Giggers.

[1:15:28] Trustee Langereis: I

[1:15:32] Voice 19: would say, yes, the work is done to move that to the...

[1:15:37] Voice 19: Okay, but

[1:15:37] Voice 19: it's

[1:15:38] Trustee Langereis: just I wouldn't have thought...

[1:15:56] Voice 12: Say again?

[1:15:57] Voice 12: Did

[1:15:58] Voice 8: we get the one line here?

[1:15:59] But

[1:16:02] Trustee Langereis: I did, I did.

[1:16:04] Trustee Langereis: My computer died.

[1:16:07] Voice 5: I

[1:16:08] Trustee Langereis: just hope it died and I started streaming again

[1:17:05] Voice 19: If you

[1:17:06] Voice 19: have any questions around the application coming up for Ingram, the septic run, we can

[1:17:12] Voice 19: get Brent Dennis on the phone if you want.

[1:17:14] Voice 19: Oh, okay.

[1:17:16] Voice 10: He's the engineer.

[1:26:33] Trustee Langereis: Sheila, you've gone home.

[1:26:34] Trustee Langereis: Can you let us know, can you hear us now?

[1:26:51] Trustee Langereis: Yes.

[1:26:53] Voice 8: No, I don't understand.

[1:26:56] Trustee Langereis: Sorry, I didn't hear the answer.

[1:26:57] Voice 6: I haven't heard back from him.

[1:26:58] Trustee Langereis: Oh, okay.

[1:26:59] Trustee Langereis: Well, thank you.

[1:26:59] Trustee Langereis: No more questions.

[1:27:00] Voice 6: Thank you.

[1:27:00] Voice 6: I can make the motion? Go ahead.

[1:27:02] Voice 6: That the Galliano Island Local Trust Committee approve the issuance of Development Variance Permit application GLDVP2021.6, Ingram.

[1:27:13] Trustee Langereis: Second. Any further discussion from either of the trustees? No? Then I'll call the vote.

[1:27:18] Trustee Langereis: All in favor? I pass this unanimously. Thank you very much.

[1:27:22] Trustee Langereis: We're now at the Murray application which is at page 59 of the agenda package.

[1:27:29] Trustee Langereis: and it's a combination of both a development permit and a development variance permit.

[1:27:36] Trustee Langereis: Sorry, I forgot to ask the last time, but is there anybody here for the applicant?

[1:27:43] Trustee Langereis: Dave Koster.

[1:27:44] Trustee Langereis: Oh, hi, Dave.

[1:27:45] Trustee Langereis: Okay, so Mr. Koster, you're here on behalf of the applicant.

[1:27:49] Trustee Langereis: Thanks very much.

[1:27:52] Trustee Langereis: So over to you, Clarence Smith.

[1:27:54] Trustee Langereis: This is

[1:28:00] Voice 19: for property 309, which is zoned commercial 1, retail, and staff recommending or the applicant

[1:28:10] Voice 19: is seeking development variance as well as a development

[1:28:14] Voice 1: variance permit for the siting

[1:28:15] Voice 1: of access to the existing commercial

[1:28:23] Voice 19: building and variance for siting of three of the required

[1:28:28] Voice 19: parking spaces along lot lines, and they're also seeking a development permit to meet

[1:28:35] Voice 19: the requirements of development permit area 6 of the OCP that they expect to, I'm sorry

[1:28:49] Voice 19: this is the other one, can

[1:28:52] Voice 18: we back up the film please, I'll try it again.

[1:29:03] Voice 18: We're on Montague Park Road with a replacement of a dwelling,

[1:29:08] Voice 19: an existing dwelling being replaced.

[1:29:11] Voice 19: And so they're seeking variance for siting of new decks and a portion of the dwelling that are in the front lot setback.

[1:29:19] Voice 19: They're retaining a large portion or most of the existing decks as legal nonconforming at the front of the property.

[1:29:25] Voice 19: So these decks will essentially connect to those.

[1:29:28] Voice 19: and they're seeking development permits under Development Permit Area 2, Shoreline and Marine.

[1:29:36] Voice 19: A large portion of the development area is needed there.

[1:29:52] Voice 16: Trustee, question?

[1:29:55] Voice 6: Okay.

[1:30:00] Voice 6: actually had a chance to bring this forward to uh brad this morning um i noticed that this

[1:30:07] Voice 6: we got a referral on this in july and um it's for quite a large house

[1:30:15] Voice 6: onto that property so they're going from a house of 784 square feet to one of um 3100 i think is

[1:30:29] Voice 6: Obviously, going to six bathrooms in this house.

[1:30:35] Voice 6: And, you know, when I look at what we're trying to accomplish,

[1:30:44] Voice 6: it is the preservation of the rural nature in this area

[1:30:48] Voice 6: and also the need to minimize the impact on the quality of the visual landscape.

[1:30:54] Voice 6: I mean, these are from the Galliano OCP

[1:30:56] Voice 6: and the implementation of green building practices.

[1:31:00] Voice 6: So I'm a little concerned about the scale for 0.45 acres and just how much of that property.

[1:31:12] Voice 6: I know that the economic report talks about impermeable drive.

[1:31:17] Voice 6: I'm just worried about the scale and also about the sea level rise for that particular area,

[1:31:25] Voice 6: area, which is definitely vulnerable to that.

[1:31:32] Trustee Langereis: So do you have a question for the staff or Mr. Foster is here if you want?

[1:31:38] Trustee Langereis: I don't know, I presume you'd be prepared to answer the question if you have one.

[1:31:42] Voice 6: Yeah, I mean I know that we didn't get the drawing, the house drawing with this particular

[1:31:48] Voice 6: part of the application. It came earlier on a separate and I don't know, like six washrooms

[1:31:55] Voice 6: It sounds like a considerable amount.

[1:31:57] Voice 6: I don't know what the...

[1:32:01] Voice 10: The property is owned by two families,

[1:32:05] Voice 10: and they're building something called two families,

[1:32:10] Voice 10: each with two or three children, with children of their own.

[1:32:17] Voice 10: The new house does not cover any more footbridge

[1:32:22] Voice 10: than what's already covered now by a driveway and existing house.

[1:32:27] Voice 10: There's an existing house and cabin there at this point, which are side by side with a breezeway between them.

[1:32:34] Voice 10: So the new house does not cover it. The footprint of it does not encompass any more of the footprint than that there.

[1:32:41] Voice 10: The compass is now in the pavement behind it.

[1:32:45] Voice 10: But it goes up a story.

[1:32:47] Voice 10: It's two stories instead of one story.

[1:32:52] Voice 10: It's quite a drop, it's quite a drop from the bank, like from where the house sits down to the water.

[1:32:59] Voice 8: Yeah. I guess, the map is quite difficult for me to zoom into.

[1:33:05] Voice 8: I guess I have a question for the planner to go on.

[1:33:09] Voice 8: What was the question? So any additional building besides the deck will be happening outside the DPA?

[1:33:17] Voice 19: except for that portion where they're seeking variance right

[1:33:21] Voice 8: and so the only thing that we're

[1:33:25] Voice 8: allowed not allowed to but the living within our jurisdiction to address it is that dpa aspect not

[1:33:31] Voice 8: like an overbuilt house you

[1:33:33] Voice 19: could because the variance portion is entirely discretionary on

[1:33:39] Voice 19: that on behalf of the ltc you could direct the applicant to seek a different design

[1:33:49] Voice 8: No,

[1:33:50] Voice 19: you could say you're seeking variance for a design that we're not happy with, and

[1:34:02] Voice 19: so if you want that variance, you're not going to get that design.

[1:34:07] Voice 19: And so they could either go amend their plans and not need variance, and then meet the guidelines

[1:34:16] Voice 19: lines of the development permit where you have less discussion as long as they can demonstrate

[1:34:20] Voice 19: that they've met those required guidelines and in this case as the building footprint is

[1:34:24] Voice 19: more or less virtually in the existing building footprint there isn't a lot of new impact except

[1:34:31] Voice 19: for free removal that so but you do have you do have I think a broader discretion in that they

[1:34:43] Voice 19: need variants to develop this as they are perfect right and

[1:34:49] Voice 8: then i guess i'm always concerned about

[1:34:51] Voice 8: uh proving variances on the water such as with sea level rise and sea level but it seems from

[1:34:56] Voice 8: the staff report that the the professional reporting said that was not at risk from that

[1:35:03] Voice 8: i

[1:35:04] Voice 19: would say that mr costa is correct there is a big drop of seven eight meters probably and also

[1:35:11] Voice 19: Also what I would say is that the existing deck is deemed legal non-conforming as it's been there prior to 1972 and so they are allowed to retain that deck.

[1:35:22] Voice 19: And so what the variants are seeking are really closing spaces in between the new dwelling footprint and the existing large deck that sits there.

[1:35:32] Voice 19: It's really infills of those spots where the old house used to be attached to that deck.

[1:35:40] Voice 19: Can

[1:35:40] Trustee Langereis: I just ask, this one also confused me a little bit.

[1:35:46] Trustee Langereis: On page 62, it's the one that I, is that the existing dwelling or the new dwelling?

[1:35:56] Trustee Langereis: That's the new dwelling, right?

[1:35:58] Voice 19: That's the existing dwelling.

[1:36:00] Trustee Langereis: Oh, that's the existing dwelling.

[1:36:01] Trustee Langereis: Okay, so

[1:36:02] Voice 19: can I, can you?

[1:36:04] Voice 19: The primary of death is what would be.

[1:36:07] Trustee Langereis: Yeah, because what I'm trying to figure out is what part of the new house is within the setback of seven and a half meters that needs to be varied versus the development permit aspect.

[1:36:27] Voice 10: So if you look at the picture, a portion of it is basically how it looks from the

[1:36:45] Voice 19: map on page 64, your package, the variance is the area in red.

[1:36:54] Voice 19: So it follows that seven and a half meter line, which makes it jog the same as it does at the Petro C boundary.

[1:37:06] Trustee Langereis: Okay, and so the seven and a half meters is that dotted line.

[1:37:11] Voice 19: Yep.

[1:37:13] Trustee Langereis: okay and then

[1:37:14] Voice 19: 15 meters is the the the one behind that following the same

[1:37:21] Voice 19: language okay well yeah i know so there's seven and a half meters there's the natural

[1:37:29] Voice 19: sea boundary and there's your 15 meter uh yeah no

[1:37:33] Trustee Langereis: i mean i agree that yeah i understood that

[1:37:35] Trustee Langereis: most of the house was in the development permit zone which is why they need the ecological report

[1:37:40] Trustee Langereis: It's just that I was trying to figure out how much of the, quote, new build in the very end.

[1:37:48] Voice 19: Just this portion.

[1:37:50] Voice 19: The deck comes along there, and so the house squares out like that.

[1:37:55] Voice 19: So this little portion right here is the only portion of this new build that's in this setback.

[1:38:02] Voice 19: All the rest of it is.

[1:38:03] Voice 19: And then this portion of the deck, this new deck, is in that side lot setback.

[1:38:09] Voice 19: The little portion there is in, yes,

[1:38:12] Trustee Langereis: yeah, so because my theory of a variance basically has, you know,

[1:38:20] Trustee Langereis: So

[1:38:26] Voice 6: Dave, you were saying that the house was basically on the same footprint, but it looks like the footprint is actually doubled.

[1:38:38] Voice 6: Like, the existing dwelling and the annex, like, are here, and then this is all new.

[1:38:46] Voice 6: Yeah, what

[1:38:47] Voice 6: I was saying is

[1:38:48] Voice 10: that the new dwelling is where the existing dwelling and pavement is at this point.

[1:38:56] Voice 6: Oh, the pavement, okay.

[1:38:57] Voice 6: Yeah,

[1:38:57] Voice 10: this is all paved on.

[1:38:58] Voice 6: Okay, okay, great, thank you.

[1:39:02] Voice 6: And I have one other question for Dave.

[1:39:05] Voice 6: If you know whether the Montague water system has been consulted about?

[1:39:13] Voice 10: there's a there's a letter i don't think if it wasn't asked for in this package the letter is

[1:39:18] Voice 10: going to the crd because it got scored in a plan for a building permit from the water district

[1:39:23] Voice 10: okay so

[1:39:34] Trustee Langereis: so just so i'm clear let me answer that question because i haven't been there

[1:39:39] Trustee Langereis: and i doubt it both of you have asked

[1:39:40] Voice 17: um

[1:39:41] Trustee Langereis: is that i know the area is that the house

[1:39:44] Trustee Langereis: The house is going to be quite a bit bigger to the back, but to the back is currently a driveway, but it doesn't, other than that little, well, maybe it is even in the current, because the current cabin is legal non-performing, but it doesn't come any further forward than the old house, the current house does.

[1:40:12] Trustee Langereis: no

[1:40:13] Voice 22: and

[1:40:16] Trustee Langereis: are they retaining that deck or rebuilding the deck no

[1:40:20] Voice 10: the existing deck is staying the only

[1:40:22] Voice 10: thing that is going to happen is when the old house comes out of there there'll be quite a gap

[1:40:27] Voice 10: between where the new house is built and where the existing deck is and you just want to fill that

[1:40:32] Voice 10: area in with yeah right otherwise it's dropped right

[1:40:37] Trustee Langereis: okay i'll

[1:40:39] Voice 19: just add that given that it's

[1:40:41] Voice 19: legal non-conforming, they can maintain and repair and replace that deck more or less

[1:40:45] Voice 19: in its footprint as long as they don't go

[1:40:48] Voice 19: and make anything else illegal with it.

[1:40:52] Voice 19: I understand.

[1:40:54] Trustee Langereis: And there's been, my correct, there's been nothing from any of the

[1:40:58] Trustee Langereis: neighbors, particularly to the, I guess that's

[1:41:02] Trustee Langereis: to the north. More questions from the trustee?

[1:41:11] Trustee Langereis: Do you want to, for Mr. Costa, do you want to discuss it any further?

[1:41:20] Trustee Langereis: What is your view about this?

[1:41:24] Voice 6: Well, my personal view is that it's a pretty big structure for a small island.

[1:41:39] Voice 6: I understand if it's two families, that makes a bit of a difference,

[1:41:47] Voice 6: but it is a large structure, large number of bathrooms.

[1:41:59] Trustee Langereis: Okay.

[1:41:59] Trustee Langereis: Well, our, just to confirm, we don't have much discretion about the development permit.

[1:42:05] Trustee Langereis: You can look at the development permit application, decide whether or not you need more information

[1:42:10] Trustee Langereis: or whether or not the planners and the consultant have advised us that the conditions they put

[1:42:19] Trustee Langereis: on the development permit satisfy the OCP's development permit requirements.

[1:42:24] Trustee Langereis: requirements, we do have discretion about saying you can't put your new building in that little bit of set up, well, I shouldn't call it little bit, that piece of set up, which would, as the planner indicated, but that's really the only thing we have any control over, whether rightly or wrongly, we unfortunately can't go to people and say, you can't build a house because we think it's too big, unless we put in, as we're doing in South and North,

[1:43:02] Trustee Langereis: So apparently this dissatisfies the requirements of the outlandish bylaw for other requirements

[1:43:08] Trustee Langereis: other than this little, this piece of setback that they're requiring.

[1:43:14] Trustee Langereis: So that's really your only, as I understand it, the only discretionary item we have, which

[1:43:19] Trustee Langereis: may be frustrating, but yeah.

[1:43:23] Voice 8: I guess I have one more question, so just the area by the beach or the largest red portion

[1:43:30] Voice 8: version of the MS-64. It appears it's just, it's supposed to be 7.5 meters setback and it's at 5.91, is that correct?

[1:43:41] Voice 8: So it's a pretty small variance, it being just 1.6 meters and with the assessment of the, not, of being affected by sea level rise or any of the water, ocean, I would say that it's

[1:44:00] Voice 8: um not significant enough to to stop the development and we don't have any definition

[1:44:07] Voice 8: of anything else so i would make a motion that the approved issue is approved right

[1:44:24] Voice 8: yeah

[1:44:26] Trustee Langereis: is there a second yeah you want to discuss any improvement trustee wilmington or trustee

[1:44:31] Trustee Langereis: rockwell no okay so that's the development permit so you were satisfied that it meets the

[1:44:42] Trustee Langereis: the conditions of the development permit.

[1:44:44] Trustee Langereis: So I'll go, I'll call the vote.

[1:44:46] Trustee Langereis: All in favor?

[1:44:49] Trustee Langereis: Passes.

[1:44:50] Trustee Langereis: Is

[1:44:52] Voice 14: there a second motion?

[1:44:55] Voice 8: Yeah, that the Gallaudet Local Trust Committee

[1:44:57] Voice 8: approve the Strengths of Development Grants Permit

[1:45:00] Voice 8: GLDBP-2021.5.

[1:45:04] Trustee Langereis: Okay, is there a seconder for that?

[1:45:06] Trustee Langereis: Any discussion?

[1:45:07] Trustee Langereis: Any further about whether to grant that variance

[1:45:10] Trustee Langereis: to allow them to be directly closer than they would be?

[1:45:16] Trustee Langereis: Okay, nothing?

[1:45:17] Trustee Langereis: All in favor?

[1:45:18] Trustee Langereis: Okay, thank you very much.

[1:45:20] Trustee Langereis: When

[1:45:21] Voice 6: we get to talking about the agency recommendations on climate, we'll bring them up again.

[1:45:28] Trustee Langereis: Okay, super.

[1:45:31] Trustee Langereis: I'm hoping we're being heard.

[1:45:33] Trustee Langereis: I think I got the microphone turned on.

[1:45:37] Trustee Langereis: So, we're now at the next DP and DVP, which is the Longson one, which is at page 105 of our package.

[1:45:48] Trustee Langereis: Is there anybody here on behalf of the applicant?

[1:45:52] Trustee Langereis: Yes.

[1:45:53] Trustee Langereis: Hi.

[1:45:54] Trustee Langereis: And who are you?

[1:45:55] Trustee Langereis: I'm Ross.

[1:45:56] Trustee Langereis: Hi.

[1:45:57] Trustee Langereis: Okay.

[1:45:57] Trustee Langereis: So what we'll do is we'll get the planner to introduce the application and the staff

[1:46:04] Trustee Langereis: report, and then we'll ask any questions we might have of the planner, and then give you

[1:46:11] Trustee Langereis: the opportunity to speak.

[1:46:12] Trustee Langereis: If you wish, and if you don't wish to, that's fine, too.

[1:46:14] Trustee Langereis: We may have some questions for you related to the application.

[1:46:25] Voice 19: Thank you, this is a staff report for a property at 160 Montague Road, the property is Cazones

[1:46:35] Voice 19: commercial wide retail and the applicant is seeking to develop a restaurant and associated

[1:46:40] Voice 19: associated business and property and so they're seeking a development permit for the development permit area 6 for commercial

[1:46:51] Voice 19: form and character as well as development variance permit for lot line setback requirements and so

[1:47:00] Voice 19: they are seeking, as I said before with respect to variance

[1:47:05] Voice 19: they're seeking variance for

[1:47:06] Voice 17: for

[1:47:07] Voice 19: entrance way and disability access to the existing building that's in a lot of setbacks

[1:47:16] Voice 19: as well as 3 parking spots which are of the 12 required parking spots and the development

[1:47:27] Voice 19: permit is with respect to the guidelines in the OCP around the character code.

[1:47:37] Voice 19: So you have all the information in front of you, and we'll just pass it back over to C to have the discussion.

[1:47:42] Voice 19: Are there any questions?

[1:47:45] Trustee Langereis: Okay, interesting.

[1:47:47] Trustee Langereis: I

[1:47:47] Voice 6: just have one that, page 105, it says the development permit area 6, shoreline and marine.

[1:47:55] Voice 6: Sure does, that's

[1:47:56] Voice 19: just to cut in case from trying to get these reports over.

[1:48:00] Trustee Langereis: Okay, so this is a foreign character, the MPA.

[1:48:05] Trustee Langereis: Okay, questions for the planner?

[1:48:08] Trustee Langereis: I

[1:48:09] Voice 8: think that the Minister of Transportation wouldn't have any comment on this.

[1:48:14] Voice 19: So they wouldn't be referred to as part of these applications.

[1:48:19] Voice 19: It's my understanding that the applicant, well I've advised the applicant,

[1:48:22] Voice 19: it's my understanding that they're seeking an encroachment permit

[1:48:24] Voice 19: for the structure that they're proposing to be in that highway right of way

[1:48:30] Voice 19: and that's kind of where your jurisdiction ends is at that lot line.

[1:48:33] Voice 19: So that's typically what we would advise the applicant to do.

[1:48:39] Voice 19: And they could probably speak to the word out of the chair directly.

[1:48:43] Voice 19: Sure, if you do,

[1:48:45] Voice 13: if you want to.

[1:48:46] Voice 13: Did you apply to and receive permission from MUBI for some fence repairs, some landscaping,

[1:48:53] Voice 13: and a sidewalk walkway that is in the highway right-of-way?

[1:49:00] Voice 13: And they've given us that permission because they were things that were already at site.

[1:49:04] Voice 13: I

[1:49:20] Trustee Langereis: was curious, what's around you? I mean, I see this little lot built into there, but I'm not sure what's around. Are they rural lots? Are they residential lots?

[1:49:33] Trustee Langereis: To the

[1:49:34] Voice 13: north, there is the extension of a lot from the White House that's down on the lower level. That lot comes all the way back.

[1:49:43] Voice 13: And then on the other side of that lot is a little

[1:49:48] Voice 13: Undesignated it's kind of has a name and road, but it's not maintained by highways

[1:49:53] Voice 13: It doesn't meet any standards. So that kind of defines that and there's a resident on the other side of that room

[1:49:59] Voice 13: There's a residential so the back of the property to the rear

[1:50:03] Voice 13: It's heavily forested and how far away would you say the house? Yeah, a couple hundred yards

[1:50:09] Voice 13: Yeah, the house is up the slope, up the slope of the forest. Across the road, sort of to the south, there's a large house in the state that's not even visible from this, and the rest is road.

[1:50:32] Voice 13: The property has a tremendous view down to the lower bow along Doritzen Bay Road.

[1:50:38] Voice 13: It was

[1:50:40] Voice 6: originally a garage, like a repair a long time ago, that's why it's that odd

[1:50:51] Voice 6: little commercial property.

[1:50:53] Voice 6: Well, there's

[1:50:53] Voice 19: two properties there.

[1:50:54] Voice 6: Yeah, yeah.

[1:50:55] Voice 6: I

[1:50:55] Voice 19: would add that looking on the subject property match, so the one labeled D12954 is also up to that same portion as well.

[1:51:04] Trustee Langereis: Okay, can you show me what you're talking about?

[1:51:07] Trustee Langereis: Figure

[1:51:07] Voice 19: one subject property on page 106 of the package.

[1:51:10] Trustee Langereis: Thank you, sir. That helps.

[1:51:11] Trustee Langereis: Let

[1:51:12] Voice 19: me find that before

[1:51:13] Voice 19: you go any further.

[1:51:18] Voice 19: Right?

[1:51:18] Voice 19: So the lot label three is the residential lot that we're looking at, but it was deforested with the home a couple hundred yards away.

[1:51:25] Voice 19: and the other

[1:51:26] Voice 19: lot immediately adjacent to lot 4, the label 12954, it's also zone C1 and the student zone C1.

[1:51:35] Trustee Langereis: Oh, okay. So to that direction, that's your property as well?

[1:51:39] Trustee Langereis: Because I did notice that, for example, I mean, effectively, as I understand the variance is to let you build the entranceway,

[1:51:47] Trustee Langereis: and that the other variances are for a couple of parking spaces.

[1:51:51] Trustee Langereis: yes and but those about that property that you also want yeah correct no

[1:51:56] Voice 19: they run along with the

[1:51:57] Voice 19: uh the front edge of the property along the road yes some

[1:52:01] Voice 12: of them do and then there's a couple yes

[1:52:02] Voice 12: there's

[1:52:03] Voice 19: an east west property

[1:52:05] Voice 12: line that's adjacent right

[1:52:08] Voice 19: okay they don't require variance

[1:52:10] Voice 19: because of the language of the uh provisions for seawater zoning given that it's

[1:52:20] Voice 19: side lot long as opposed to, or it's the rear lot long as opposed to the side.

[1:52:25] Voice 19: Good-bye lot provision only requires that side and front lot long, so.

[1:52:32] Voice 19: Okay, thank you.

[1:52:34] Trustee Langereis: Other, I'm sorry, I've asked my question. Are there other questions from the trustee out there for the op?

[1:52:39] Trustee Langereis: Do you wish to add anything to our consideration or the staff report?

[1:52:42] Voice 13: Well, I first wanted to thank Planner Smith for a great report. It's a very spelled out

[1:52:48] Voice 13: what what we see is a pretty simple uh application uh this house has sat on that property

[1:52:55] Voice 13: for a number of years and we've been we're rejuvenating the house uh the driveways and

[1:53:03] Voice 13: the parking lots the two driveways with the one parking lot both parking lots have existed before

[1:53:09] Voice 13: when i created anything new that's uh in that area and we look forward to being able to open

[1:53:17] Voice 13: open up a new restaurant and provide another private business to Gallagher.

[1:53:23] Trustee Langereis: Okay, thank you. And I see we just, Mr. Ritter, we do have the checklist here for the development

[1:53:33] Trustee Langereis: permit form and character permit area that's been completed here as applicable to this

[1:53:39] Trustee Langereis: particular application, which is different than other types of PPAs. Thank you for that.

[1:53:44] Trustee Langereis: That was helpful for me to walk through that too. Any other, if there's no other questions,

[1:53:48] Trustee Langereis: does anybody have a motion to make yeah trustee robert

[1:53:51] Voice 8: any question with that

[1:53:53] Voice 8: yeah second any

[1:54:02] Trustee Langereis: discussion from either no i'll i'll call the question all in favor

[1:54:06] Trustee Langereis: that passes unanimously i think there's a second motion suggested

[1:54:10] Voice 8: yeah um that the galileo trust committee approved

[1:54:19] Trustee Langereis: I think that's been seconded. Anything further from under you, I'll request it.

[1:54:24] Trustee Langereis: Thanks very much. That passes unanimously. Those that are thinking for your information, we will do both the development permit and the variance permit will be issued now.

[1:54:33] Trustee Langereis: Okay, thanks very

[1:54:34] Trustee Langereis: much. Next item on our agenda is the government map.

[1:54:41] Trustee Langereis: It hasn't been that long, has it?

[1:54:48] Trustee Langereis: 135 of our package here for consideration of adoption of the bylaw that we um uh that we

[1:54:56] Trustee Langereis: already passed it through i can tell you it went through the executive committee recently so it's

[1:55:00] Trustee Langereis: here for adoption consideration of adoption uh do you want you wish to say anything

[1:55:07] Voice 19: everything needs to be straightforward right

[1:55:09] Trustee Langereis: any questions from either of the trustees

[1:55:11] Trustee Langereis: um do you want to make the motion no no sure trust your own yeah

[1:55:15] Voice 6: so they're yelling on the

[1:55:17] Voice 6: local trust committee bylaw number 271 cited as galliano island land use bylaw number 127

[1:55:24] Voice 6: 1999 uh amendment number one 2019 will be adopted senator

[1:55:29] Trustee Langereis: do either of you wish to speak to this

[1:55:32] Trustee Langereis: motion

[1:55:33] Voice 6: no just to say good luck okay

[1:55:38] Trustee Langereis: i'll call the vote all of that passes unanimously so we've dealt

[1:55:44] Trustee Langereis: with two restaurants in like five minutes.

[1:55:47] Voice 17: Things

[1:55:48] Trustee Langereis: are looking up on Galliard Island.

[1:55:51] Trustee Langereis: There'll be lots of good eating, although one of them

[1:55:52] Trustee Langereis: already exists. This is just a new

[1:55:55] Trustee Langereis: part of it.

[1:55:57] Trustee Langereis: Yes, well good luck with that.

[1:55:58] Trustee Langereis: I'm glad you were able to find some water.

[1:56:00] Voice 21: Yeah.

[1:56:02] Voice 21: Yeah, I'm glad you got your water

[1:56:04] Voice 21: license also.

[1:56:09] Trustee Langereis: So, we're on to 13.5

[1:56:10] Trustee Langereis: so I think this means you

[1:56:21] Trustee Langereis: So we're at 39 of the package, 13.5, there's a staff report arising out of the CIM and

[1:56:38] Trustee Langereis: where we're at.

[1:56:39] Trustee Langereis: Over to you, Plymouth.

[1:56:44] Trustee Langereis: 139.

[1:56:45] Voice 6: 139, yeah.

[1:56:46] Voice 6: Thank you, China.

[1:56:49] Trustee Langereis: So

[1:56:52] Voice 19: this is a screen that is on the application for GALI, staff recommendations that you receive the draft by-law 280 for information you need to provide a direction with respect to the draft by-law, but you have not actually received that draft by-law in your hands yet.

[1:57:11] Voice 19: And also based on the APC report recommendations around an adverse report, staff are recommending that LTC direct the applicant to undertake an adverse assessment of treatment.

[1:57:26] Trustee Langereis: Okay, before I go any further, oh there it is, are you speaking on behalf of Galley?

[1:57:34] Trustee Langereis: I know there's a number of you here.

[1:57:37] Trustee Langereis: Okay, thanks very much.

[1:57:40] Trustee Langereis: Yes, do you wish to go into any details of your report?

[1:57:44] Voice 19: So in the report, the APC recommendations are summarized with staff policy and perspective.

[1:57:52] Voice 19: perspective the water management plan is also attached staff have taken considerable time

[1:57:57] Voice 19: working with the applicant so I would say that that draft water management plan from staff perspective is

[1:58:03] Voice 19: pretty clear or pretty close to a draft final obviously planning is changing direction from LTC

[1:58:10] Voice 19: and staff is working on conditions around the program so to bring back to LTC

[1:58:24] Voice 19: You've made a resolution around the ecological assessment for the project, but you haven't

[1:58:31] Voice 19: made resolutions around some of the other potential covenanting conditions, so staff

[1:58:34] Voice 19: will be bringing back recommendations with respect to some of those items in the future.

[1:58:39] Trustee Langereis: Okay.

[1:58:40] Trustee Langereis: Although, you know, open dots to make requests or give directive related to that at this

[1:58:47] Trustee Langereis: the state if we wish to.

[1:58:50] Trustee Langereis: In

[1:58:50] Voice 19: that way it's a bit easier to go up to the trust.

[1:58:53] Voice 13: Right.

[1:58:55] Voice 19: As you go to the Quakers.

[1:58:56] Voice 13: Correct.

[1:58:57] Voice 19: Within the trust.

[1:58:59] Voice 13: Yes.

[1:58:59] Voice 13: Yes.

[1:59:00] Trustee Langereis: Sorry.

[1:59:00] Trustee Langereis: We

[1:59:00] Voice 13: won't do much of that.

[1:59:02] Trustee Langereis: Okay.

[1:59:03] Trustee Langereis: Well, thank you for the report and I don't know if anybody here, I don't think that anybody

[1:59:09] Trustee Langereis: here is on the APC, but I always appreciate the work that they do and provide a review

[1:59:15] Trustee Langereis: and giving another perspective of the of an application that we deal with

[1:59:20] Trustee Langereis: particularly when there's only there's only the two of us so thank you for

[1:59:27] Trustee Langereis: their work and for their various and I want I do want to ask a couple questions

[1:59:30] Trustee Langereis: about their recommendation but I'm going to turn to you trustee Wolverton for any

[1:59:34] Trustee Langereis: reflections or questions you might have or yeah thank

[1:59:43] Voice 6: you for the very

[1:59:45] Voice 6: comprehensive reporting it's it's really helpful I have a question this is just

[1:59:51] Voice 6: this is thinking future if this is approved who would actually be

[1:59:57] Voice 6: responsible for the water system

[2:00:02] Voice 9: You mean, who would be doing the monitoring,

[2:00:08] Voice 6: who would be doing the sampling,

[2:00:10] Voice 9: all of that?

[2:00:10] Voice 9: Well, Galley would own and operate the building and all its systems, so we would be responsible

[2:00:17] Voice 9: in the contract to the appropriate professionals to do this kind of monitoring.

[2:00:25] Voice 6: Okay, I just wonder, because I don't know, they can, I mean, most of the systems on the

[2:00:31] Voice 6: island have that you know have somebody designated who does that and i just wanted to to ask that

[2:00:38] Voice 6: question and then on page um what was 174 175 of our package it talks about the the stormwater

[2:00:50] Voice 6: design methodology and that guai has proposed to use the master municipal construction documents

[2:00:57] Voice 6: And I just wonder, because we're rural, if those are the applicable documents, because they still, you know, they refer to paved parking, and I'm hoping that the services, except where they need to be such that a wheelchair could, you know, be able to negotiate, I hope that all the rest will be permeable.

[2:01:21] Voice 6: Well,

[2:01:22] Voice 9: I think we have commented about this before to the LDC and the DCIN, that you're certainly looking into the possibilities, and again, talking to the engineers,

[2:01:34] Voice 11: it's

[2:01:35] Voice 9: about formal services, and the engineers are recommending documents, or referencing what they say are the appropriate documents and guidance.

[2:02:01] Voice 6: Because, I mean, the so-called rain events that we've been having have been quite astonishing

[2:02:09] Voice 6: in the amount of water that's just coming down at them, you know,

[2:02:12] Voice 9: in a short period

[2:02:13] Voice 6: of time that needs to be...

[2:02:15] Voice 6: Yeah,

[2:02:15] Voice 9: and I think if you look at the water management plan, too, at the end of the year,

[2:02:36] Voice 6: I would

[2:02:37] Voice 19: say that they're quoting the use of that master municipal construction document

[2:02:42] Voice 19: as there is nothing in the by-law and there's probably no other specific rural guideline

[2:02:48] Voice 1: so

[2:02:49] Voice 19: they're trying to find the closest proxy they can.

[2:02:53] Voice 19: In working with the engineer, they've been very diligent to come up with plan actions that are...

[2:03:06] Voice 6: Those are my questions.

[2:03:07] Trustee Langereis: Oh, okay.

[2:03:08] Trustee Langereis: I have a few.

[2:03:12] Trustee Langereis: And first, I guess I'd like to just ask you, we've got some draft bylaw, right,

[2:03:20] Trustee Langereis: which has been put in front of us.

[2:03:22] Trustee Langereis: Now, we're not giving it a reading, but I just wondered if at this stage

[2:03:26] Trustee Langereis: if you had any commentary related to the suggested by-law language that you put before us.

[2:03:33] Trustee Langereis: I

[2:03:33] Voice 9: did not, but we haven't actually discussed it.

[2:03:37] Voice 9: Okay,

[2:03:38] Trustee Langereis: that's fine. We'll have time to do that because we're not giving it a reading today.

[2:03:42] Trustee Langereis: We're just receiving it.

[2:03:43] Trustee Langereis: We're going to give you the opportunity to make any commentary you might have

[2:03:47] Trustee Langereis: related to the proposed language, which is basically just, as I read it,

[2:03:52] Trustee Langereis: it's just to modify what currently is there and relate to this zone.

[2:03:56] Trustee Langereis: To accommodate the proposal

[2:04:03] Trustee Langereis: Correct right, and so that's what I said, and I'm right that this is this is the only lot

[2:04:09] Trustee Langereis: Currently zone CH1 or CH on Galeano

[2:04:16] Voice 19: Specific zone in 2017 right

[2:04:18] Voice 19: So

[2:04:19] Trustee Langereis: and I was reading and I'm going oh well this is specific site specific zone

[2:04:24] Trustee Langereis: and I thought I guess if at some point in the future there was a separate zone for community

[2:04:29] Trustee Langereis: I don't think you just call it ch2 to create the pacific

[2:04:33] Trustee Langereis: correct right okay so that's I just was trying to think my way through that

[2:04:58] Trustee Langereis: My next question was, I presume you've had a chance to look at the APC recommendations.

[2:05:12] Trustee Langereis: There were only three, and the first one was they recommended an integrated water system.

[2:05:22] Trustee Langereis: I think you've addressed that a little bit haven't you Clarence?

[2:05:25] Trustee Langereis: It's difficult to do because there's not a regulation for an integrated water system.

[2:05:30] Voice 19: I guess what I could add to that is that you could require them to design a system that

[2:05:35] Voice 19: would be capable of mixing rainwater and groundwater but asking them to implement

[2:05:42] Voice 19: that at this time with the absence of regulations to do so would be difficult but you could require

[2:05:49] Voice 19: that that infrastructure you can be built there if that makes sense yeah

[2:05:54] Trustee Langereis: and in my understanding

[2:05:56] Trustee Langereis: of what the abc was referring to was exactly where they mix where the water mixes as opposed to

[2:06:03] Trustee Langereis: a system

[2:06:04] Voice 14: here and a

[2:06:05] Trustee Langereis: system here, like a system for irrigation which is rainwater catchment

[2:06:09] Trustee Langereis: and a system here. And my understanding

[2:06:11] Trustee Langereis: is, am I correct, that your absolute proposal

[2:06:14] Trustee Langereis: is that there will be no exterior taps so that they can't utilize the potable water

[2:06:21] Trustee Langereis: for irrigation. That's the way I understand the design that's going. Do you have any questions

[2:06:28] Trustee Langereis: about that before I...

[2:06:29] Voice 6: No, I wasn't, I was unclear what was intended by an integrated water catchment.

[2:06:37] Voice 6: So

[2:06:38] Voice 19: my understanding of that would mean that you're drawing both rainwater and groundwater

[2:06:41] Voice 19: and you're mixing the two and treating them, the regulations to collect that rainwater

[2:06:47] Voice 19: and treat it to potable at a commercial standard.

[2:06:57] Voice 6: Yeah, so just to be clear, the water that is retained for firefighting would not be treated, is that correct?

[2:07:06] Voice 19: It would be treated. It would all be basically one big, it could be one huge tank or a series of tanks,

[2:07:13] Voice 19: but it would all, the store, the emergency, the balancing, which is just enough in your system

[2:07:22] Voice 19: to allow for feeding through your system, and the emergency would all be stored as one, as potable.

[2:07:30] Voice 19: Yeah,

[2:07:30] Voice 6: and then the other would essentially

[2:07:34] Voice 6: be in a separate

[2:07:36] Voice 19: tank, but torn

[2:07:38] Voice 19: from the ground.

[2:07:40] Voice 19: What's that for the other?

[2:07:41] Voice 6: The firefighting would be...

[2:07:43] Voice 19: The firefighting is in that. So firefighting, emergency, which is a seven-day supply we've proposed,

[2:07:48] Voice 19: or staff were proposed and the applicant has agreed to, and balancing, which is just to

[2:07:54] Voice 19: keep your system balanced and running, all of those would be groundwatered.

[2:07:59] Voice 6: Yes, but all

[2:08:01] Voice 6: in one tank?

[2:08:02] Voice 19: And all of them, typically industry standard, would be in one tank and that tank would continuously

[2:08:08] Voice 19: circulate.

[2:08:09] Voice 19: So you wouldn't have fire water just sitting there stored there waiting and getting stagnant.

[2:08:15] Voice 19: You would have that water stored, but it would be constantly circulated with new water just drawn.

[2:08:22] Voice 19: So I think it's 90,000 or 100,000 liters of fire water.

[2:08:26] Voice 19: So presuming

[2:08:27] Voice 1: there's no fire,

[2:08:28] Voice 19: the increase in volume for fire storage is only that 90,000 liters,

[2:08:35] Voice 19: and that 90,000 liters just runs through consistently.

[2:08:38] Voice 19: But stagnant fire water wouldn't be an issue?

[2:08:41] Voice 19: It wouldn't be an

[2:08:42] Voice 8: issue. It's just how they design the systems.

[2:08:45] Voice 19: It's just the most efficient and effective design.

[2:08:52] Voice 19: Can

[2:08:52] Voice 23: I ask a question, or is it not appropriate?

[2:08:56] Trustee Langereis: Well, generally, maybe you can wait until Town Hall. Is that alright?

[2:09:01] Voice 6: There's another Town Hall at the end. Okay, I have to wait until the end.

[2:09:08] Trustee Langereis: But I'll ask a question. Where does rainwater catchment play in all of this, or does it not, in the current design?

[2:09:14] Trustee Langereis: So

[2:09:14] Voice 19: in the current design, they propose no exterior irrigation.

[2:09:19] Voice 9: So they're...

[2:09:21] Voice 9: No, the current design is we would collect the irrigation purposes with a cistern at the beach.

[2:09:29] Voice 9: Excellent.

[2:09:34] Trustee Langereis: Correct.

[2:09:39] Trustee Langereis: So you would separate the irrigation slash whatever other use you might find for rainwater catchment water

[2:09:47] Trustee Langereis: from the potable water, which would be...

[2:09:50] Trustee Langereis: For

[2:09:50] Voice 9: example, if somebody wants to use the rainwater...

[2:09:56] Trustee Langereis: Right,

[2:09:57] Voice 9: so

[2:10:03] Trustee Langereis: exactly, so for those uses, and then the potable water storage would be for emergency backup for firefighting and for, what did you call

[2:10:16] Voice 9: it, water balance?

[2:10:16] Voice 9: Yeah, yeah, it's essentially the total volume of power.

[2:10:24] Voice 9: Whether that is actually the fire reserve,

[2:10:26] Voice 9: that's the reserve that goes down for some reason,

[2:10:32] Voice 9: and then they're going to sign off just for balance

[2:10:34] Voice 9: and keep the water at the right, I mean, at the system.

[2:10:41] Trustee Langereis: And so does that, do you then, as I understand what Clarence Smith says,

[2:10:48] Trustee Langereis: the plan that you would sort of utilize that water

[2:10:51] Trustee Langereis: and sort of use it as storage, utilize it in the unit and replenish it

[2:10:55] Trustee Langereis: so it's the same as if you're using it directly in the units and just you're

[2:10:59] Voice 9: just replenishing

[2:11:00] Voice 9: the storage it gets replenished gets drawn for you know mutual purpose there's always going to be a

[2:11:11] Voice 9: large volume of water you know for firefighting in an emergency and

[2:11:16] Trustee Langereis: i was with trustee wolverton

[2:11:19] Trustee Langereis: she asked a question offline well why couldn't you fire fighting water be rain water catchment

[2:11:26] Trustee Langereis: But the point that Clarence Smith said is, what if you use it, and it's in a urine and

[2:11:32] Trustee Langereis: dry fluid, you can't replenish it.

[2:11:35] Voice 9: That's exactly the issue.

[2:11:36] Voice 9: You have to be able to pretty quickly replenish it if it's used right.

[2:11:42] Trustee Langereis: Okay, so I understand that, which is interesting, because I understand that system, because

[2:11:46] Trustee Langereis: I live on a water system which is, everybody's on a tank, and everything comes out of the

[2:11:52] Trustee Langereis: tank, and you replenish the tank as you use it.

[2:11:54] Trustee Langereis: So that's what I meant

[2:11:56] Voice 19: that their design doesn't work for Ringwater is that they don't have like a community garden design in their proposal.

[2:12:08] Voice 19: So their landscaping is...

[2:12:09] Voice 19: Yeah,

[2:12:10] Voice 9: we have a really landscaping plan, but we are very conscious of it.

[2:12:18] Voice 9: If there is to be an irrigation requirement for landscaping, small gardens, that would be supplied by rainwater, which is a totally separate system.

[2:12:33] Voice 19: Thanks, Mr. Holt.

[2:12:34] Voice 19: Can I just add, so the water management plan, it speaks to them developing rainwater for irrigation, but it doesn't go into any great detail.

[2:12:44] Voice 19: So you could ask them to provide more specific design and methodology for their rainwater catchment system.

[2:12:52] Voice 19: That is for irrigation and pavement washing and maintenance.

[2:13:01] Voice 6: Do you have an idea of the volume of the storage of rainwater at this point?

[2:13:10] Voice 6: Well

[2:13:11] Voice 9: it's really dependent on the maximum is of course the roof catchment area and there have been some calculations that I don't have those on me right now but that would kind of tell you the maximum you could collect and therefore what kind of storage you would require if you were to collect that maximum

[2:13:31] Voice 17: and

[2:13:33] Voice 9: that's all, you know, how much do you think you would need.

[2:13:36] Voice 10: Yeah, okay.

[2:13:41] Trustee Langereis: Not

[2:13:41] Voice 6: about the water, no.

[2:13:42] Voice 6: Okay,

[2:13:43] Trustee Langereis: so the second, and it's actually in our recommendations, is the APC recommended that an arborist report be part of the submission to the applicant, and they've made a recommendation. I wanted to just turn to the applicant and ask if you have any comments related to that.

[2:13:59] Voice 9: We were aware of this, but we met with the APC, and we saw their interest in this particular advice, and we are taking steps to secure the services of the arborist.

[2:14:16] Voice 9: anything about that no

[2:14:18] Voice 6: i just i was um wondering because you've had the an ecological report

[2:14:24] Voice 6: whether the person who provided that could also wondering whether the person who provided that

[2:14:30] Voice 6: would also be able to comment on the the uh trees the tree impact uh

[2:14:37] Voice 9: well that's

[2:14:38] Voice 9: key of course steve harrison and he has provided some comments in his report yeah about the larger

[2:14:44] Voice 9: of trees and root zones and all that sort of stuff but he also you know recommends an arborist

[2:14:54] Voice 9: to comment specifically about our collection even

[2:15:09] Voice 19: for the montague and then just for example

[2:15:12] Voice 19: he deferred to an arborist for that yeah i think he would defer to an arborist with specific

[2:15:19] Voice 19: recommendations um

[2:15:23] Voice 6: so i can make the recommendation that the galliano island local trust committee

[2:15:29] Voice 6: received draft bylaw 280 for information and use in public engagement and

[2:15:34] Voice 14: i'll second

[2:15:35] Trustee Langereis: that thank

[2:15:37] Trustee Langereis: you discuss that and that was part of the recommendation for the procedures for the record

[2:15:43] Trustee Langereis: and

[2:15:49] Voice 6: secondly that the galliano island local trust committee directs the applicant to undertake the

[2:15:53] Voice 6: tree impact assessment in respect of the proposed affordable housing development on the subject

[2:15:58] Voice 6: property by an international society of arboriculture certified arborist and submitted

[2:16:05] Voice 6: and report to the LTC with findings including recommendations for mitigation of impacts.

[2:16:10] Voice 6: Okay and

[2:16:10] Voice 14: I'll second that.

[2:16:14] Voice 14: Before

[2:16:19] Trustee Langereis: we leave this um just just uh you may I don't know if the um uh the applicant has

[2:16:30] Trustee Langereis: has seen Ms. I'm sorry if I mispronounce is it Honoree Case?

[2:16:34] Trustee Langereis: It's her letter to the about the water issue that I don't know if you've had a chance to look at.

[2:16:39] Trustee Langereis: so if you haven't at some point we probably want to have an option and you heard some of the

[2:16:44] Trustee Langereis: commentary today about it was mostly about monitoring and making sure that you know the

[2:16:49] Trustee Langereis: water i mean it's no secret water is water is everything these days so and i i think i want

[2:16:57] Trustee Langereis: you've been very diligent about it but at some point you might want to consider looking at and

[2:17:01] Trustee Langereis: commenting on the various questions and suggestions that she has made as as one of your neighbors

[2:17:07] Trustee Langereis: related to it so I won't put you on the spot to do that today but maybe we can

[2:17:14] Trustee Langereis: get you you're okay well it's going to be on the public record anyway but we

[2:17:18] Trustee Langereis: will get it to them and we can get it so that you can have a chance to look at it

[2:17:22] Trustee Langereis: but it'll be up on the website eventually

[2:17:24] Voice 6: these are general comments in

[2:17:29] Voice 6: relation to water I had a long discussion with our water specialist

[2:17:33] Voice 6: William Shoba, and he was talking about, you know, that all of these islands are vulnerable

[2:17:40] Voice 6: for water and that there is a need for all of us for a paradigm shift in how we look

[2:17:48] Voice 6: at water and how we collect water, how we retain it, and his concerns were actually

[2:17:54] Voice 6: much greater for domestic well users that are not monitored versus water systems that

[2:18:01] Voice 6: have monitoring and i mean i know in my own area you know when you're talking about people going

[2:18:08] Voice 6: dry my well is 300 feet deep with 160 feet of standing water and in the heat dome and we're

[2:18:16] Voice 6: very conservative with water we started to get a bit of sediment so that's you know just showing

[2:18:22] Voice 6: how much in different parts of the island you know that the water table was dropping

[2:18:28] Voice 6: but you know I mean it's all of the island I mean we're you know especially those all those

[2:18:37] Voice 6: properties that are multiple properties along the shoreline that have multiple wells we need

[2:18:43] Voice 6: to start thinking about water systems in a collective way so that we don't have you know

[2:18:48] Voice 6: 15 wells you know running along a shore and water systems I mean you guys have a water system

[2:18:56] Voice 6: Montague, and we need to look at more of those, you know, for the islet.

[2:19:04] Voice 23: Holistically.

[2:19:05] Voice 6: Yeah.

[2:19:06] Voice 6: Yeah,

[2:19:07] Trustee Langereis: and I'll just say to add to that, I watched the, last night, in between reading

[2:19:13] Trustee Langereis: this package of the hockey game, I was watching the webinar that Raincoast did on water, and

[2:19:21] Trustee Langereis: they've got a whole series of them if anybody wants to see them.

[2:19:24] Trustee Langereis: this first one was on water and it wasn't it wasn't particularly uh uh you know didn't contain

[2:19:32] Trustee Langereis: information about us specifically about galea specifically but it does talk about the uncertainty

[2:19:39] Trustee Langereis: of water and the fact that we're going to get wetter winters and drier summers and that's pretty

[2:19:43] Trustee Langereis: much what mr kovat said and the cim is that that seems to be the pattern we're heading towards so

[2:19:50] Trustee Langereis: So I thought the fellow from Salt Spring was quite interesting because he said that the keys are catch it, store it, preserve it, don't use very much of them.

[2:20:01] Trustee Langereis: And I think that's going to be the byword for everyone going forward, whether you are on your own well or on a community well or on a licensed multi-unit well of some sort.

[2:20:16] Trustee Langereis: so that's going to be the consideration of all this so thank you for your

[2:20:21] Trustee Langereis: commentary and thank you for your thing I don't think there's anything else yet

[2:20:24] Trustee Langereis: I

[2:20:24] Voice 19: just want to add one more thing with Gala I just wanted to mention that the executive committee

[2:20:28] Voice 19: approved their request for fee application sponsorship of the October 6th

[2:20:35] Voice 19: executive committee yes

[2:20:36] Voice 9: now and please

[2:20:37] Voice 19: let the record show we are very grateful

[2:20:39] Voice 19: so now we'll return $4,400 to the applicant and that refund is forthcoming

[2:20:49] Trustee Langereis: Yes, I know with the overall scheme of one of these things,

[2:20:53] Trustee Langereis: but when you're starting out, it probably is, and hopefully it's helpful.

[2:20:59] Trustee Langereis: Yeah, we did do that. I forgot that. Thank you.

[2:21:03] Trustee Langereis: Okay, if there's nothing else on GALA,

[2:21:05] Trustee Langereis: I will bring Dr. Kelly back and move on to the last application on the agenda

[2:21:11] Trustee Langereis: before we move into our work program and then a few bit of new business

[2:21:15] Trustee Langereis: and the last town hall.

[2:21:24] Voice 11: CA Farmer, Trustee Harris, welcome back.

[2:21:51] Trustee Langereis: We're at 13.6, and we have a letter here from Keith Erickson

[2:21:59] Trustee Langereis: related to the Crystal Mountain application.

[2:22:02] Trustee Langereis: It doesn't ask us for anything, but it's here as part of a response

[2:22:07] Trustee Langereis: to some concerns that at least he's heard.

[2:22:10] Trustee Langereis: And then I have another thing I want to talk about with Crystal Mountain.

[2:22:13] Trustee Langereis: I'll ask the trustees if you have any commentary or considerations or things you'd like to say about the letter, the correspondence from us.

[2:22:32] Trustee Langereis: I'll just say, I'm not sure what to do with this. It is a bit of a, I don't want to call it, correct words are probably not awkward.

[2:22:44] Trustee Langereis: I mean, it's a bit of an unusual situation where the person who does the ecosystem study

[2:22:57] Trustee Langereis: is also the proponent.

[2:23:01] Trustee Langereis: I accept much of what he says in there, but I do know there's been some commentary from

[2:23:07] Trustee Langereis: some folks about whether that's appropriate and we should accept it, and really the issue

[2:23:13] Trustee Langereis: The issue is whether we, in my view, is whether we accept the ecological report from Mr. Erickson

[2:23:20] Trustee Langereis: given his other or alternate relationship with the applicant as well.

[2:23:28] Trustee Langereis: So that's really the issue, the question for us, and I'm not asking us to answer it at

[2:23:34] Trustee Langereis: this time.

[2:23:35] Trustee Langereis: I'm just saying that's the challenge that comes from that.

[2:23:40] Trustee Langereis: but if you

[2:23:41] Trustee Langereis: there's nothing from the other trustees

[2:23:43] Trustee Langereis: at this stage related to this

[2:23:45] Trustee Langereis: then I do have another issue I'd like to raise

[2:23:47] Trustee Langereis: and I know

[2:23:50] Trustee Langereis: Crystal Mountain's not here

[2:23:52] Trustee Langereis: today and it's not

[2:23:54] Trustee Langereis: technically on our agenda but I've been

[2:23:56] Trustee Langereis: thinking about this because as with you

[2:23:58] Trustee Langereis: both I've been listening to

[2:24:00] Trustee Langereis: various folks and there was an issue

[2:24:02] Trustee Langereis: that arose in

[2:24:04] Trustee Langereis: actually probably the last meeting

[2:24:06] Trustee Langereis: or the last time we dealt with this

[2:24:08] Trustee Langereis: and I'm not sure

[2:24:08] Trustee Langereis: I lose track of which state it was, it probably wasn't the last many years of leading before,

[2:24:14] Trustee Langereis: and I'm continuing to be, not troubled isn't the right word, but I'm pondering this issue

[2:24:23] Trustee Langereis: of whether or not if we ever approve that application that there might be a scenario

[2:24:32] Trustee Langereis: scenario where there would be more or even far more than the 25, 22 people that are residential

[2:24:40] Trustee Langereis: that there's residences for. I could see a scenario where you could have a number of

[2:24:45] Trustee Langereis: people present that would have a much more dramatic effect on the neighborhood around

[2:24:52] Trustee Langereis: the area. 100 people show up. I'm picking up, I'm making up numbers. I don't have any

[2:24:59] Trustee Langereis: way to make this this is just an example for anybody watching but 100 people are invited to

[2:25:04] Trustee Langereis: come and there's all of a sudden 60 cars parked on the lena drive with all the attended impact

[2:25:12] Trustee Langereis: on the neighborhood and on the forestry and i i'd like to get some clarity around because i

[2:25:18] Trustee Langereis: don't have any clarity about whether it's possible for us um to uh put a provision in our and our

[2:25:28] Trustee Langereis: covenant in a covenant to restrict the numbers as well as restrict the number of buildings but

[2:25:34] Trustee Langereis: restrict how many people can gather on that property at any given i don't know what either

[2:25:39] Trustee Langereis: of you think about that

[2:25:41] Voice 6: it's my understanding that their maximum is 30 that's what works in

[2:25:51] Voice 6: in their classroom and what the overnight in the huts and the sleeping tents would be.

[2:26:03] Voice 6: I would be fine if we could find a mechanism for something like that.

[2:26:09] Voice 6: I don't think that we restrict anywhere else in any other circumstance on the island

[2:26:18] Voice 6: and a daytime gathering.

[2:26:21] Voice 6: I mean, you could have a wedding of 150 people.

[2:26:24] Voice 6: You could have, you know, I mean,

[2:26:27] Voice 6: the Conservancy has a walk-along of a couple hundred people.

[2:26:31] Voice 6: I mean, these are all, like, single-day kinds of things.

[2:26:38] Voice 6: Or here at the Hall, you know, in the old days,

[2:26:42] Voice 6: you have a couple hundred people here inside and out

[2:26:45] Voice 6: for the solstice dinner.

[2:26:47] Voice 6: there's I don't know how you could one monitor it or whether there is any legitimate way to say you

[2:26:56] Voice 6: can only have so many people on the land at any given time I mean if there is I'm fine well you

[2:27:03] Trustee Langereis: don't have to commit to accepting it with it I guess but all I'm asking is whether we should

[2:27:08] Trustee Langereis: find out whether we can or not yeah trust you are um

[2:27:11] Voice 8: yeah I think the difference between what

[2:27:13] Voice 8: what Trustee Wolk has been suggesting, the one-day events would be, these are retreats

[2:27:17] Voice 8: that last potentially three months, and so I think it is valuable to get that information.

[2:27:23] Trustee Langereis: So, yeah, and

[2:27:24] Trustee Langereis: I mean, yes, you're right, Trustee Wolk, you know, one-day event is one thing.

[2:27:28] Trustee Langereis: A wedding, a celebration, a special guest, people,

[2:27:32] Trustee Langereis: they bring in a special speaker, or

[2:27:35] Trustee Langereis: I don't know what the right word is for it, I don't want to use the wrong word, like guru,

[2:27:41] Trustee Langereis: guru, but somebody that comes in and people come see them. But of course, the reality

[2:27:48] Trustee Langereis: is that it's not just necessarily people staying at the CMS property. There's houses around.

[2:28:00] Trustee Langereis: There's other commercial enterprises, both in the north and the south. And there could

[2:28:06] Trustee Langereis: could be, you know, a number of people that have come to the island. So I drafted some

[2:28:13] Trustee Langereis: language, and I know that Leonard Smith didn't think, oh dear, I hope we have sound now.

[2:28:21] Trustee Langereis: I see there's a note from Sheila that we didn't, but I think it's working now. Is

[2:28:29] Trustee Langereis: Clarence Smith, I was talking to him about this, and he suggested some other alternate

[2:28:33] Trustee Langereis: language, but I'm just going to put my language on it, and then Clarence Smith, feel free

[2:28:40] Trustee Langereis: to suggest alternatives to it, but I was going to suggest that wording to the effect or move

[2:28:47] Trustee Langereis: that the Galeano Local Trust Committee request staff to seek clarification, both legal and

[2:28:57] Trustee Langereis: and otherwise about whether and how the LTC can restrict the number of people that can

[2:29:10] Trustee Langereis: be present on the CMS property at any given time, whether they are staying there or not.

[2:29:21] Trustee Langereis: I'll just get, I'll just see if Carly's got that, and then Clanksmith, I'm welcome, I'm

[2:29:27] Trustee Langereis: happy to have any suggestions for amending that, and then we can talk about it.

[2:29:33] Trustee Langereis: Did you get that? Yeah. Okay,

[2:29:37] Trustee Langereis: you're faster than I, you can type faster than I can speak.

[2:29:41] Trustee Langereis: So, Viner-Smith, I know you wanted, you had some slightly different language, but I wasn't quite, we haven't had a chance to talk about it.

[2:29:48] Trustee Langereis: So, do you have some suggestions for changes to that?

[2:29:57] Trustee Langereis: Okay, so. I'll

[2:29:58] Voice 6: second it. Okay.

[2:30:00] Trustee Langereis: So any further discussion? I've sort of explained my rationale of what I'm thinking about.

[2:30:05] Trustee Langereis: I mean I've heard a lot of things from people, and I'm not pointing at anyone in particular,

[2:30:10] Trustee Langereis: but I've heard a lot of things from other folks and I've read all the things, but that's the one that I thought,

[2:30:15] Trustee Langereis: well at least we can take a step in that direction and find out whether there's something we can do about that.

[2:30:19] Trustee Langereis: So, okay.

[2:30:20] Trustee Langereis: I

[2:30:20] Voice 8: mean, and my comment would be there's still lots of questions outstanding,

[2:30:24] Voice 8: and this is something we can deal with just in between meetings and staff reports.

[2:30:31] Trustee Langereis: Yeah, right. Okay, so if there's nothing further, I'll call a vote on that.

[2:30:37] Voice 17: Okay,

[2:30:38] Trustee Langereis: so all of that passes unanimously. I'll just say, and I said this earlier,

[2:30:44] Trustee Langereis: when we got the commentary, we received all the reports, we were all engaged in discussions with folks,

[2:30:49] Trustee Langereis: And I should also add that the folks from Crystal Mountain have reached out

[2:30:54] Trustee Langereis: and said they're aware of this as well.

[2:30:56] Trustee Langereis: They're going to develop a way for them to communicate and respond.

[2:31:03] Trustee Langereis: I don't know if response is the word that they used, but they're going to do that as well.

[2:31:08] Trustee Langereis: So that conversation will continue.

[2:31:12] Trustee Langereis: Thank you for that.

[2:31:13] Trustee Langereis: That's all I have on Crystal Mountain.

[2:31:15] Trustee Langereis: I don't think of anything further.

[2:31:20] Trustee Langereis: I see we have local trust committee projects there's nothing the one that's

[2:31:30] Trustee Langereis: currently outstanding is the is the water project and I think we're all

[2:31:35] Trustee Langereis: waiting we're sort of waiting for Madam Chadwick who's who's working on

[2:31:39] Trustee Langereis: Marissa Chadwick who's working on some proposals for us over here and for North

[2:31:45] Trustee Langereis: Pender is that your understanding Clarence? So maybe we can have a little chat

[2:31:50] Trustee Langereis: about our work program yes sir oh

[2:31:53] Voice 8: no it's related to that that's one go ahead

[2:31:55] Voice 8: get in line uh so i'm

[2:31:57] Voice 8: just thinking we have the eight nine months or whatever for the next election i wanted to see

[2:32:05] Voice 8: i was brainstorming on a project that could possibly fit within that time period to

[2:32:09] Voice 8: pick up the next term's project and i'm thinking of movie number 11 um if you're going to dl87

[2:32:18] Voice 8: I think that would be really useful to finish investigating and see if we could turn that into nature protection rather than what it's sitting on right now.

[2:32:31] Trustee Langereis: Okay, I'm fine with that. I actually don't know the history of that one. I haven't caught on to it. I know where the lot is, but I don't know. Someone told me about it, but I don't remember.

[2:32:42] Voice 8: any value keeper kind of sent a brief history that maybe kind of smith would have more

[2:32:51] Voice 19: i really don't have a lot of yeah

[2:32:53] Voice 8: i know just that it was maybe rezoning and kind of just

[2:32:58] Voice 19: my understanding

[2:32:59] Voice 19: is that it's owned by the province and that it went through some level

[2:33:04] Voice 10: level of rezoning and

[2:33:06] Voice 19: maybe she'd

[2:33:10] Voice 10: call the apprentice.

[2:33:12] Voice 19: I'm going to dig up that one.

[2:33:15] Trustee Langereis: Okay. Trustee Wilberton, do you have a commentary or suggestion for something else?

[2:33:24] Voice 6: Yeah, I have all the, it's, it got to, it got stuck at first reading. It is, there was

[2:33:31] Voice 6: frustrating related to that. Yes, I've gone through the climate report from the ABC, the

[2:33:48] Voice 6: December 2019 report, to look at what we might be able to address. So, you know, I think

[2:34:00] Voice 6: we're at the point of, I feel like we could tackle a couple of problems between now and

[2:34:10] Voice 8: would think not but that's not for me to say i mean you and i think we'll do i don't know what's

[2:34:17] Voice 8: that yeah

[2:34:18] Trustee Langereis: i wanted to say let's keep in mind that we have two affordable housing projects from cms

[2:34:26] Trustee Langereis: and any other obligations that that get assigned to planet smith that are still outstanding and

[2:34:33] Trustee Langereis: are a fair amount of work so

[2:34:35] Voice 9: which one's

[2:34:41] Voice 19: reminding me of the only slot just below

[2:34:43] Voice 19: dnsu for rezoning and there's also a proposal coming forward for district cloud 85 at some

[2:34:49] Voice 19: point and

[2:34:50] Trustee Langereis: there's the one right up here too um sorry i don't mean to point but the the one that

[2:34:55] Trustee Langereis: the road goes right through the middle of yes

[2:34:57] Voice 6: the king that's king yeah so

[2:35:04] Trustee Langereis: so there's other

[2:35:05] Trustee Langereis: so there's stuff lined up so i think we better be careful and and about how ambitious we can

[2:35:11] Trustee Langereis: be a product considering

[2:35:13] Voice 19: your own term as well at the time left so i'm looking at dl87 uh broad

[2:35:22] Voice 19: long story short it looks like there's a rezoning proposal uh that would somehow take a portion of

[2:35:28] Voice 19: that in exchange for like the 75 portion would be of dl87 as opposed to dl79 87

[2:35:38] Voice 6: is held by the

[2:35:39] Voice 6: the province right now. Correct,

[2:35:41] Voice 19: and so it looks like the rezoning scheme as Bowie frames it out is that there is some kind of scheme where DL87 would be used as part of the 75% for subdivision of those other lots to create a larger BC Parks Network and it unraveled largely because of the concerns around property owners gaining benefit of DL87 as opposed to giving up their own land.

[2:36:07] Voice 19: Yeah,

[2:36:09] Voice 6: I think that might have been my

[2:36:12] Voice 19: two-minute understanding.

[2:36:17] Trustee Langereis: I think you did in 45 seconds.

[2:36:19] Trustee Langereis: And

[2:36:19] Voice 14: it was actually quite a bit of substance.

[2:36:21] Trustee Langereis: So, it's

[2:36:22] Voice 6: Bill and Willa Dell sold the land to Bill Eller, who then clear-cut it and then sold it for $750,000 to BC Parks.

[2:36:30] Trustee Langereis: Okay, so let's focus, before we try and solve the Alice of 87, what do we think we can and what would you want to work on?

[2:36:39] Trustee Langereis: and I think Trustee Wolverton you were talking about the climate change report

[2:36:45] Trustee Langereis: that was a very extensive report from the from the APC as you say in December

[2:36:52] Trustee Langereis: of 2019 that we you know we haven't taken specific action we may have done some

[2:36:59] Trustee Langereis: things that that relate to it like the TEP and the SDRs and stuff

[2:37:04] Voice 6: like that but not specific

[2:37:05] Trustee Langereis: Yeah,

[2:37:06] Voice 6: we have covered some things, but I would like to look at...

[2:37:11] Voice 6: So recommendation number seven is that the LTC initiates an OCP LUB amendments to enact a maximum cost size.

[2:37:23] Voice 6: I would like to look at some sort of combination of that and lot coverage.

[2:37:32] Voice 6: coverage. So that we look at lots on the basis of,

[2:37:41] Voice 4: well

[2:37:43] Voice 6: I'll just give you an example. I live on 8 acres. I could cover 25% of 8 acres which would be around 80,000 square feet. That's ridiculous.

[2:37:55] Voice 6: So what I would like to try to look at is some way of categorizing you know

[2:38:04] Voice 6: like big, large, medium, small and what makes sense from a lot coverage point of

[2:38:10] Voice 6: view and I think that that possibly would address the issue of house size.

[2:38:16] Voice 14: I

[2:38:17] Voice 6: think that's one of the things that we talked about at one point, a long time ago.

[2:38:27] Voice 19: So how

[2:38:29] Trustee Langereis: does that play into the report coming from the Regional Planning Committee about that exact issue?

[2:38:37] Voice 6: Well, the floor ratio doesn't work really well in the rural areas.

[2:38:45] Voice 6: That's one of the things that that report says.

[2:38:48] Voice 6: And I would agree, floor area ratio doesn't necessarily work well.

[2:38:58] Voice 6: Because, I mean, our lots are not, you know, 33 by 122.

[2:39:07] Trustee Langereis: My question is, it seems to me if we want to make this a project for that, in particular

[2:39:15] Trustee Langereis: for a project for the next 10 months, until our term is, for the remainder of this term,

[2:39:21] Trustee Langereis: to at least get some traction about it, you'd want to work on some, you'd want to build

[2:39:26] Trustee Langereis: on some work that's already been done.

[2:39:28] Trustee Langereis: And I know there's work going on in North Pendera and South Pendera about this exact

[2:39:32] Trustee Langereis: But more importantly, there's work going on at the Regional Planning Committee about this, and I guess my question is, are you suggesting we take their report and figure out a way, if there's a way to implement it on Galliano, or implement parts of it on Galliano?

[2:39:51] Trustee Langereis: Is that what you're thinking?

[2:39:53] Voice 6: That would be my thinking.

[2:39:54] Voice 6: Okay,

[2:39:54] Trustee Langereis: because you sit on the Regional Planning Committee, I don't.

[2:39:57] Trustee Langereis: And I don't think Trustee Rockefeller does either.

[2:40:00] Trustee Langereis: So I've only seen a trust council, and I know they took it back to the Regional Planning Committee for tweaking,

[2:40:08] Trustee Langereis: and I'm not sure if it got tweaked to the point where it's coming back to trust council or not.

[2:40:13] Voice 4: Not yet.

[2:40:14] Trustee Langereis: Okay, because there was something, I can't even remember what it was, that caught up with much people's attention.

[2:40:19] Trustee Langereis: There was something that needed to be remediated about it.

[2:40:25] Trustee Langereis: Okay, Trustee Rockefeller, what do you think of that suggestion?

[2:40:28] Trustee Langereis: and you guys can negotiate which one you'd like to do.

[2:40:30] Trustee Langereis: I'd

[2:40:31] Voice 8: like to talk to Senator Smith

[2:40:32] Voice 8: about post size limiting because it is a concern

[2:40:37] Voice 8: of some Islanders.

[2:40:40] Voice 8: And it seems like it's maybe not as effective

[2:40:45] Voice 8: as other possibilities.

[2:40:48] Voice 8: I would be interested in seeing the work

[2:40:51] Voice 8: that the regional planning committee

[2:40:54] Voice 8: and other Islands are doing because I think

[2:40:57] Voice 8: we could fall closely on that.

[2:40:59] Voice 8: Also, with all the gray zonings at the north end right now in regards to those forest ones,

[2:41:06] Voice 8: I think it might be an opportunity to investigate the DLAB 7 because we do have a piece of groundland

[2:41:14] Voice 8: sitting that should be resumed to get things on the roads, so it's kind of useful like that.

[2:41:25] Voice 8: I'm also worried about timing.

[2:41:29] Voice 6: I don't know also about what the province is intending to do with groundland

[2:41:34] Voice 6: and in relation to any of the land claims, for example.

[2:41:41] Voice 6: Already started

[2:41:42] Voice 8: the process of resale.

[2:41:43] Voice 8: What's that?

[2:41:44] Voice 8: This process is already being looked at, right?

[2:41:47] Voice 8: Yeah, I don't know.

[2:41:49] Voice 8: It was

[2:41:49] Voice 6: so long ago that...

[2:41:54] Voice 9: It was 11 or 12 years ago.

[2:41:56] Voice 19: Yeah.

[2:41:57] Trustee Langereis: And I assume it got taken over their action.

[2:42:00] Trustee Langereis: The

[2:42:01] Voice 19: one with TL87?

[2:42:02] Trustee Langereis: Yeah.

[2:42:03] Trustee Langereis: I think the vinyl is still sitting there.

[2:42:05] Trustee Langereis: Yeah,

[2:42:05] Voice 4: it's still on the books.

[2:42:06] Trustee Langereis: Oh, but just never got past first reading?

[2:42:09] Voice 4: Yeah.

[2:42:09] Voice 4: So

[2:42:09] Trustee Langereis: whoever the trustees were at that point just decided to let it sit?

[2:42:14] Voice 4: Yeah, they were waiting for this big, you know...

[2:42:18] Voice 4: But now that's not a thing,

[2:42:20] Voice 8: so perhaps getting a staff report on the feasibility of this project or how long it might take.

[2:42:32] Voice 8: We have 85, 86, and potentially the mountain is surrounded by little plots.

[2:42:41] Trustee Langereis: It's up to you guys.

[2:42:43] Trustee Langereis: This really is your bailiwick as to what you want.

[2:42:49] Trustee Langereis: We're still

[2:42:49] Voice 6: at F1 right now, actually, if you look on the map.

[2:42:51] Voice 6: I know.

[2:42:52] Voice 6: Yeah, it is confusing because it is F1.

[2:42:55] Voice 6: Yeah.

[2:42:57] Voice 6: And there was a lot of confusion about whether Parks was holding it already or whether it had ever transferred, but apparently not.

[2:43:06] Voice 6: Is

[2:43:07] Trustee Langereis: there a motion?

[2:43:08] Trustee Langereis: Do you

[2:43:13] Voice 12: want to make a motion?

[2:43:13] Voice 8: Yeah.

[2:43:15] Voice 8: I kind of want to make a motion.

[2:43:19] Voice 8: I'll just give you a part and then I'll think.

[2:43:21] Voice 8: Kind of like a staff report on where the application is at and the feasibility of finishing it in this timeframe of our term.

[2:43:31] Voice 8: And yeah, if it's a valuable investigation or not.

[2:43:37] Trustee Langereis: It's not specifically on our, number

[2:43:43] Voice 8: 11 I think on our, oh it is, oh

[2:43:45] Voice 12: there it is, yes it is.

[2:43:47] Trustee Langereis: So you want to move that number 11, that we get, that we press the staff report,

[2:43:52] Trustee Langereis: report regarding the feasibility of reactivating project number 11.

[2:44:02] Trustee Langereis: Yeah,

[2:44:03] Voice 8: something like that.

[2:44:04] Trustee Langereis: Currently we're cleaning that up.

[2:44:07] Voice 8: I'll second it.

[2:44:08] Trustee Langereis: Okay. Okay. So you guys content that that is a project for basically 2022?

[2:44:16] Voice 8: I don't really know what it involves.

[2:44:18] Voice 8: Right.

[2:44:19] Trustee Langereis: And to make up, we probably won't get the staff report in December. We might get it in January.

[2:44:23] Trustee Langereis: You

[2:44:25] Voice 19: just direct a staff to compile a summary of the current status of the DL87 and history.

[2:44:32] Voice 19: And then from there you can decide when you come with the recommendations.

[2:44:38] Voice 19: Okay. That sounds great.

[2:44:39] Voice 8: I

[2:44:40] Voice 19: think it does need to be separated if you're seeking to rezone DL87 to say a zoning designation

[2:44:47] Voice 19: that a designation that makes more sense or if you're

[2:44:52] Voice 19: looking to revisit what was proposed before

[2:44:54] Voice 19: in terms of this trade-off of lands I would say that the first thing I described would be a much

[2:45:01] Voice 19: shorter and easier project yeah it was

[2:45:04] Voice 8: the first option I didn't want to revisit anything you just

[2:45:06] Voice 19: want to change your zoning and designation map to have that property at least reflect what it is

[2:45:13] Voice 19: that's much more simple and easy then so that

[2:45:18] Trustee Langereis: sounds more like trustee rockefeller's motion but

[2:45:22] Trustee Langereis: carly do you want to read back what you've got and we'll see where we're at

[2:45:27] Voice 21: with a guy on ltc requests not to compile a summary of the current status and history of dl87

[2:45:32] Voice 21: oh that was

[2:45:34] Voice 17: the second motion

[2:45:34] Voice 16: that was my idea yeah

[2:45:37] Voice 21: okay so before that i got the ltc request

[2:45:39] Voice 21: to staff report regarding the feasibility of reactivating project 11 revisiting dl87

[2:45:45] Voice 21: i think the two

[2:45:46] Voice 6: could be together because the history is important to have

[2:45:50] Voice 6: and and not really need the history

[2:45:53] Voice 8: i'm just more wanted if we have enough one on the books

[2:45:55] Voice 8: that's supposed to be reasonable major protection i'm just looking for that that

[2:45:59] Voice 19: helps the question

[2:45:59] Voice 19: I was

[2:46:00] Voice 19: just clarifying if you're looking to revisit that process and see if it can be re-engaged or just looking at the property zoning itself.

[2:46:08] Voice 19: Just

[2:46:09] Voice 8: looking at the property zoning itself.

[2:46:10] Voice 8: Okay, so that

[2:46:10] Voice 8: sounds like the

[2:46:11] Trustee Langereis: first motion without that second part. That's what it sounds like to me. Do you agree with Clarence?

[2:46:15] Trustee Langereis: Okay, so that's been moved and that will be seconded by Trustee Wilderton. Any further? Thank you for that.

[2:46:22] Trustee Langereis: Well,

[2:46:22] Voice 18: thanks for helping me.

[2:46:23] Trustee Langereis: And that that will become one of our top priorities. Or did we already say that?

[2:46:30] Voice 19: Why don't I bring back that report and then you can

[2:46:34] Trustee Langereis: watch the direct

[2:46:35] Voice 19: staff and create a project charter.

[2:46:37] Trustee Langereis: Forget that. You're right. You're right.

[2:46:39] Trustee Langereis: So we'll call a vote on that. All in favor?

[2:46:42] Trustee Langereis: Thanks very much. That's good. That gives us something exciting hopefully to work on in the next little while.

[2:46:49] Trustee Langereis: I

[2:46:50] Voice 6: will bring to December a motion regarding the other.

[2:46:54] Voice 6: Okay,

[2:46:54] Trustee Langereis: so that takes us to 15.2. We have the applications report from November, which is attached. Does anybody have any questions related to the application?

[2:47:11] Trustee Langereis: Okay. We have the expense report, which is at page 213, which I expect continues to be relatively underspent, given the people's model. I'm starting to travel now, but, you know, with a lot of things, we don't travel. Any questions, comments?

[2:47:27] Trustee Langereis: comments. We have the adoptive policies and standing resolutions. Anything related to

[2:47:32] Trustee Langereis: that from anybody? And then we have there is no Conservancy report and there's no local

[2:47:40] Trustee Langereis: trust committee web page. So we have new business which is observation, well installation. I

[2:47:58] Voice 6: William Shola, just to have his time accounted for, to come and install the observation wall here with one of our local volunteers.

[2:48:08] Voice 6: And so the resolution, the proposed resolution is, and I can just speak to, or read it out and then go from there.

[2:48:23] Voice 6: that the Galeano Islands Local Trust Committee direct the Islands Trust Freshwater Specialist

[2:48:28] Voice 6: to develop a project charter that considers the installation of the observation well equipment

[2:48:33] Voice 6: in the unused well at the Galeano Community Hall

[2:48:36] Voice 6: and registration of the observation well with the Province of BC.

[2:48:43] Trustee Langereis: Okay, so did you work with William Schiller or somebody else on that item?

[2:48:50] Voice 6: Yes, I actually worked with Brad.

[2:48:51] Voice 6: Oh,

[2:48:52] Trustee Langereis: okay. I just wondered what the word direct rather than request.

[2:48:56] Trustee Langereis: I

[2:48:56] Voice 6: think I have requested, I think.

[2:48:59] Trustee Langereis: I think he'd rather be directed.

[2:49:00] Voice 6: I can't remember.

[2:49:03] Voice 6: If

[2:49:04] Voice 19: he directs stuff, we'll do it.

[2:49:05] Voice 19: Okay.

[2:49:06] Voice 19: Yes.

[2:49:07] Voice 19: I'd say they're overlapping.

[2:49:10] Voice 19: And what do

[2:49:10] Voice 19: you guys see in that language?

[2:49:11] Voice 19: Okay.

[2:49:12] Trustee Langereis: Well, then if Trustee Rothfeld, do you have any comment you want to say?

[2:49:18] Trustee Langereis: Is there a second to come up?

[2:49:19] Trustee Langereis: oh

[2:49:19] Voice 8: i just wanted to ensure that staff would agree to the timing like that's not we

[2:49:25] Voice 19: want to make it

[2:49:25] Voice 19: clear that it is a prior you would have to make it a priority project so put on your project list

[2:49:31] Voice 19: to make it a priority project for william to be directed to do so that would take up one of your

[2:49:37] Voice 19: projects yes and

[2:49:38] Voice 7: we have one project right now

[2:49:40] Voice 19: and this would

[2:49:42] Voice 9: be so this

[2:49:45] Voice 6: is something that would

[2:49:47] Voice 6: be concluded basically with one visit here and one like connection with the province yeah i think

[2:49:54] Voice 19: william sees it as more of a broader network project and that this would be one part of his

[2:50:11] Voice 19: regardless that's just how it works if you're seeking to direct stuff to

[2:50:21] Voice 6: This one's specific to this place here.

[2:50:26] Trustee Langereis: So when did we get in the business of putting observation wells in?

[2:50:31] Voice 6: I'm just curious.

[2:50:32] Trustee Langereis: I'm also curious.

[2:50:35] Voice 6: A few months ago when we raised the money to do it.

[2:50:38] Voice 6: Oh, oh.

[2:50:38] Voice 16: But not as a trust.

[2:50:39] Voice 6: We didn't raise money as a trust.

[2:50:40] Voice 6: No.

[2:50:41] Voice 6: So since when does a trust get involved in the business of observation wells?

[2:50:46] Voice 6: Only to make it official and connect it to the province.

[2:50:50] Trustee Langereis: Why is the

[2:50:51] Trustee Langereis: province doing this? They're going to be the one monitoring the well.

[2:50:55] Voice 6: Yeah, yeah.

[2:50:56] Trustee Langereis: So what's our role in this? Our role is to take the money that was raised on the island to have it.

[2:51:03] Voice 6: And the equipment has been purchased. It's just a matter of putting it in the well.

[2:51:08] Voice 8: What's it got to do with William?

[2:51:10] Voice 6: Because William and Brad were planning to do this together.

[2:51:17] Voice 6: Not Brad.

[2:51:18] Trustee Langereis: Not Brad Smith.

[2:51:19] Trustee Langereis: No,

[2:51:19] Voice 6: not Resnick, no.

[2:51:21] Trustee Langereis: This

[2:51:21] Voice 6: is the pub guy.

[2:51:22] Voice 6: Yes, the pub guy.

[2:51:24] Trustee Langereis: Okay.

[2:51:26] Trustee Langereis: You know

[2:51:27] Trustee Langereis: you're making a confibber out of me because I just spent about an hour ago

[2:51:33] Trustee Langereis: telling Amigas that we don't do that kind of stuff.

[2:51:38] Trustee Langereis: So I just, anyway, but that's okay.

[2:51:43] Trustee Langereis: So

[2:51:44] Voice 6: there's some calibration that needs to be done.

[2:51:46] Voice 6: And

[2:51:47] Trustee Langereis: William wants to do this?

[2:51:48] Trustee Langereis: Oh

[2:51:48] Voice 6: yes, he does.

[2:51:49] Voice 6: He does.

[2:51:50] Voice 6: But it just

[2:51:54] Voice 8: seems weird.

[2:52:00] Voice 8: Yeah.

[2:52:00] Voice 8: I

[2:52:01] Voice 6: just don't understand

[2:52:01] Voice 8: how it's already been touched up.

[2:52:06] Voice 6: Yeah.

[2:52:07] Voice 6: I mean, the Galliano Club agreed to receive this equipment.

[2:52:12] Voice 6: They want to have something that is official.

[2:52:17] Trustee Langereis: Right.

[2:52:18] Trustee Langereis: And would I be understanding it correctly that they raised enough money for the equipment

[2:52:24] Trustee Langereis: but not enough money to pay someone to put it in?

[2:52:27] Trustee Langereis: Is that really what's happening?

[2:52:28] Trustee Langereis: The

[2:52:29] Voice 6: installation, from the island's point of view, it's voluntary.

[2:52:34] Voice 6: The only cost is William to come over here.

[2:52:42] Voice 8: Provincial-wise, William.

[2:52:44] Voice 8: If it's provincial-wise, I'm willing to look for the calibration.

[2:52:51] Voice 8: So it's a contractor.

[2:52:54] Voice 19: I would say that you could hire a contractor, a technician,

[2:52:58] Voice 19: to come over and do the same thing that you're asking.

[2:53:01] Voice 19: But

[2:53:05] Trustee Langereis: that takes

[2:53:06] Trustee Langereis: me back to another question, which is why are we doing this?

[2:53:12] Trustee Langereis: It's not part of our freshwater project. It's not part of any particular application.

[2:53:22] Trustee Langereis: That's why you said we've got to make it a project.

[2:53:24] Trustee Langereis: Put it on our list of projects and presumably then the Trust would fund his travel.

[2:53:32] Voice 19: It's my view that it isn't necessary to do this kind of operational installation work.

[2:53:48] Trustee Langereis: But it's entirely consistent with what I know about it that he'd be doing.

[2:53:52] Voice 19: Well, I don't know if he's particularly eager. I think his interest is in a broader network,

[2:53:58] Voice 19: and so in applying himself in that lens is different than him coming over as a one-off technician.

[2:54:05] Voice 19: and putting in the well and getting it to work properly.

[2:54:12] Voice 19: So William's sense, even though his sense of the resolution was it's not totally on the mark of what I have in mind,

[2:54:21] Voice 19: which is this broader concept of an observation network for the Gulf Islands.

[2:54:28] Voice 19: So that's his broader mandate and vision, whether or not he keeps coming over to get this grounded.

[2:54:37] Voice 19: I don't know if it needs to be worried.

[2:54:41] Voice 19: I

[2:54:51] Voice 24: have a question. Just about budget, like whose budget does this impact?

[2:54:58] Voice 24: I don't know.

[2:55:03] Voice 16: It would

[2:55:03] Voice 6: be what would impact our local trust. I mean, if it's a project of the LTC.

[2:55:13] Trustee Langereis: I mean, I'm

[2:55:14] Voice 16: assuming that the

[2:55:15] Trustee Langereis: budget is restricted to the time and expenses of Wood coming over,

[2:55:19] Trustee Langereis: but that means he's not doing his other work so it's it's I mean it sounds like a good idea but

[2:55:30] Trustee Langereis: I'm but I I'm it just sounds like a sort of a random way to utilize William to do something

[2:55:36] Trustee Langereis: I I mean I'm just going to say no just because I didn't let Mr. Rico speak earlier we try to

[2:55:43] Trustee Langereis: restrict commentary to the town hall we're almost there so I'm sorry um although if everybody's okay

[2:55:52] Trustee Langereis: Okay, we could be a little bit looser right now.

[2:55:54] Trustee Langereis: Well,

[2:55:54] Voice 8: I mean, it is almost 4, so I think it would be nice to just continue the business discussion.

[2:55:58] Voice 8: To which?

[2:55:59] Voice 8: To not engage in community discussion. I'd like to focus right now.

[2:56:03] Voice 17: Yeah.

[2:56:03] Voice 8: Still trying to understand, you know, how trust people working tonight, even though we've managed to raise money together as individuals for this,

[2:56:12] Voice 8: we don't talk about this business, so we haven't discussed this, so I'm still trying to grasp.

[2:56:17] Trustee Langereis: Okay, well, let's keep on that conversation.

[2:56:21] Trustee Langereis: I'm not really, I'm guessing William has trouble saying no and probably agreed to do this but

[2:56:31] Trustee Langereis: I know what's going on, I'm guessing what's going on is that you're trying to achieve

[2:56:38] Trustee Langereis: an end that's a very valuable thing but it really is really not our job to put in observation

[2:56:47] Trustee Langereis: observation wells. We can require them, we can ask people to monitor them, but we don't

[2:56:55] Trustee Langereis: actually install them. And you just need someone to calibrate the equipment. Is there nobody

[2:57:03] Trustee Langereis: on the island that can calibrate? Someone must be able to calibrate the equipment because

[2:57:08] Trustee Langereis: we had Galley and Giggers and CMS put in the data monitors, or is this something different?

[2:57:14] Voice 8: It's different, yeah.

[2:57:15] Voice 8: What about the CRB?

[2:57:17] Voice 8: Like, the other wells are CRB-honored, right?

[2:57:20] Voice 8: No, they're not.

[2:57:21] Voice 6: We're just a provincial monster.

[2:57:23] Voice 6: Nobody...

[2:57:24] Voice 6: I don't think so.

[2:57:27] Voice 6: I don't think anybody...

[2:57:30] Voice 6: Someone's got a calibrated book.

[2:57:33] Voice 6: I don't think anything is happening with...

[2:57:35] Voice 6: I mean, they're still reporting, you know, data.

[2:57:39] Trustee Langereis: Someone contact the province and say,

[2:57:41] Trustee Langereis: we want to put another one in,

[2:57:43] Trustee Langereis: and can you come over and calibrate it?

[2:57:50] Voice 19: They would be probably the same. Their staff don't have the capacity to go set up. So if

[2:57:57] Voice 19: the province doesn't own the well at the end of the day, it's still a galley.

[2:58:04] Trustee Langereis: Yeah, I'm sort of thinking of, I know they have a number of monitoring wells on the island.

[2:58:11] Trustee Langereis: I think of the one, there's one over at Stixallis and there's one down by the ferry.

[2:58:15] Trustee Langereis: No,

[2:58:16] Voice 6: there are only two on the

[2:58:17] Voice 6: island. One at the school and one on Shopland.

[2:58:19] Voice 6: There you go.

[2:58:20] Trustee Langereis: So this would

[2:58:20] Voice 6: be number three.

[2:58:22] Voice 8: Yeah, I mean, I fully support this, obviously, this operation.

[2:58:26] Voice 8: I feel like I can't support taking trust money to get our freshwater specialists over here to do what sounds like a contractor's job.

[2:58:38] Voice 8: Perhaps if there was more information attached.

[2:58:40] Voice 8: I just don't know how it involves the trust without a trust application.

[2:58:55] Voice 8: Unless you guys go, I mean, there's two of you still.

[2:58:58] Trustee Langereis: Well, you've heard my concerns.

[2:59:05] Trustee Langereis: And I want to, I think there's more ramifications to this than just William Hoppin on a ferry coming over and doing this.

[2:59:22] Trustee Langereis: Because how could he say no to every other island, and how could he not become involved in the installation of well monitoring equipment every time somebody wanted him to do it, and that's not really his job.

[2:59:39] Trustee Langereis: So, I'm sorry, but I don't think I'm really supportive of this either.

[2:59:48] Trustee Langereis: And I'm not sure what to do about it, because I know you've raised some money, and you guys are great at doing that.

[2:59:56] Voice 8: I'm not, that's not a concern of mine, I just don't know.

[3:00:00] Voice 8: to like it's not jiving with the fresh water project then i'm not sure how to incorporate

[3:00:05] Voice 8: our fresh water specials for it right that's all if we had a

[3:00:09] Voice 8: project that was alteration wells

[3:00:11] Voice 8: together then i could see right you know that anything

[3:00:21] Trustee Langereis: further trustee no

[3:00:22] Voice 6: i guess we'll raise

[3:00:24] Voice 6: more money i could i

[3:00:28] Voice 6: mean it's going to go in it needs to go in it's pretty important for this

[3:00:34] Voice 6: area. And I

[3:00:38] Trustee Langereis: understand why it would be very, I don't know where the other two are, but

[3:00:41] Trustee Langereis: I totally understand why.

[3:00:43] Voice 6: One is at the school, one is at Shopland, which is in the south.

[3:00:46] Voice 6: Yeah. So

[3:00:47] Voice 6: not too far from Driftwood Village, so it's not in that area.

[3:00:51] Trustee Langereis: Yeah, and I don't

[3:00:52] Trustee Langereis: know why, but I almost thought there was one over by Stixallis, because it's constantly

[3:00:56] Trustee Langereis: recurring. There's

[3:00:57] Voice 6: a water system. Oh,

[3:00:59] Trustee Langereis: okay. Well, I didn't hear a seconder, yes.

[3:01:05] Voice 19: You could direct staff to provide more information on this concept and clarify the scope of what he would be doing.

[3:01:19] Voice 19: I'm not entirely certain of the scope of William's involvement or his interest in being involved from the broader network perspective.

[3:01:27] Voice 19: So he might see

[3:01:28] Voice 19: huge value in

[3:01:29] Voice 8: the meet-and-greetness. I honestly

[3:01:30] Voice 19: don't know if he does or not.

[3:01:32] Voice 19: and

[3:01:32] Voice 8: that's why i was suggesting more information just on how so

[3:01:35] Trustee Langereis: why don't we do that

[3:01:36] Voice 8: so when did

[3:01:37] Trustee Langereis: we ask that this be put on the december agenda and in the meantime we can maybe get that more

[3:01:42] Trustee Langereis: if you want to bring it back

[3:01:56] Voice 8: well i

[3:01:57] Trustee Langereis: would probably ask sorry go ahead i

[3:02:00] Voice 19: would say a resolution like uh that the ltc

[3:02:02] Voice 19: direct staff to provide more information on the scope of observation well installation

[3:02:16] Trustee Langereis: okay further discussion okay so we'll call the vote on that so that passes thanks for that and

[3:02:28] Trustee Langereis: thank you for your work my god our next regular scheduled meeting is december 6th here at 12 30.

[3:02:34] Trustee Langereis: We have an agenda, we have a schedule for meetings for May 22 and I think we need to

[3:02:43] Trustee Langereis: pass a motion to adopt that schedule, are there any questions related to that schedule?

[3:02:50] Voice 6: No, did we pass a motion, is the only change the September?

[3:02:54] Voice 19: It's just that we had the date wrong, the previous one.

[3:02:57] Voice 6: Oh, I see.

[3:02:58] Voice 19: Yeah.

[3:02:58] Voice 6: So

[3:02:59] Voice 19: the date to approve is updated because we had an error in there.

[3:03:04] Voice 19: Okay,

[3:03:04] Trustee Langereis: so do we need another motion or just the schedule is here?

[3:03:08] Voice 19: Approve the schedule as amended.

[3:03:10] Trustee Langereis: Okay, so we have a motion to approve the schedule.

[3:03:14] Trustee Langereis: Okay, so that's our 2020 business meeting.

[3:03:18] Trustee Langereis: Second it.

[3:03:19] Trustee Langereis: And all in favor, so those are our meetings.

[3:03:21] Trustee Langereis: The end of that business.

[3:03:25] Trustee Langereis: The last item is count fall before we close the meeting.

[3:03:30] Trustee Langereis: So, I'm sorry I made you wait,

[3:03:33] Trustee Langereis: so I'll let you go first.

[3:03:34] Trustee Langereis: I've only

[3:03:36] Voice 23: got about an hour and a half worth of comments to make, so don't worry.

[3:03:42] Voice 23: Well, thank you for letting me speak. I haven't sat so still for so long, for years.

[3:03:50] Voice 23: I suppose my main issue is something...

[3:03:54] Voice 23: I did have a question about the technicality of designing a water management system that treats groundwater so that it's all available, but it's too much, it's too technical.

[3:04:10] Trustee Langereis: Sorry, okay, yes, I'm sorry.

[3:04:12] Trustee Langereis: We have to, you want to speak about galleys?

[3:04:15] Trustee Langereis: Yeah.

[3:04:15] Trustee Langereis: Okay, so I have to move Christy Rockfather out of the room.

[3:04:19] Voice 23: Oh, I see.

[3:04:20] Voice 23: Sorry,

[3:04:21] Trustee Langereis: I forget to.

[3:04:22] Voice 23: But mainly I think it's to reiterate my concern about weather and the extent to which the Galley Initiative, combined with the other developments in the area, including the potential development of Page Drive, will impact on neighboring water supply.

[3:04:47] Voice 23: And as Trustee Wilberton asked earlier, who would be responsible for the water management

[3:04:57] Voice 23: monitoring and how that would be accomplished and how they would be accountable?

[3:05:04] Voice 23: Those are my concerns.

[3:05:05] Voice 23: I don't expect you to answer them now.

[3:05:08] Trustee Langereis: Just to be clear, though, Trustee Wilberton's question was related specifically as to who's

[3:05:13] Trustee Langereis: going to who's going to manage the water system on the the galley property yeah it wasn't related

[3:05:20] Trustee Langereis: to the broader question that you have asked in your letter about who's going to monitor on one

[3:05:25] Trustee Langereis: basis oh

[3:05:26] Voice 23: yes but that that is what concerns me i

[3:05:29] Trustee Langereis: know that but just be clear that's not what

[3:05:31] Trustee Langereis: trustee wolverine's question sorry

[3:05:33] Voice 23: her question

[3:05:34] Trustee Langereis: was about the galley was about who's going to

[3:05:37] Trustee Langereis: manage their system. So, you know, who's going to take care of the treatment facility, who

[3:05:43] Trustee Langereis: is going to do

[3:05:44] Trustee Langereis: the sampling, who's going to do the monitoring of the usage, who's going

[3:05:49] Trustee Langereis: to make sure that the quality is good, who's going to make sure there's no leaks, that

[3:05:54] Trustee Langereis: sort of thing. I mean, there's probably many other things. I'm simplifying it. That's going

[3:05:57] Trustee Langereis: to be their job to do, and they'll hire whoever they hire.

[3:06:01] Voice 23: Just the broader issue of how it would impact others.

[3:06:05] Trustee Langereis: That's not what Galley is responsible for, yet. I'm just saying, so you're, I know that you have concerns about the broader issues about how it continues to impact other neighbors.

[3:06:18] Voice 23: Yes.

[3:06:19] Trustee Langereis: We've got that. I mean we

[3:06:21] Trustee Langereis: understand those concerns.

[3:06:24] Voice 23: So where do we go from here?

[3:06:26] Trustee Langereis: Well...

[3:06:27] Trustee Langereis: We

[3:06:27] Voice 23: say goodbye and we might have a good...

[3:06:29] Trustee Langereis: Well, there are other people in the room that may have comments and

[3:06:32] Trustee Langereis: try to call, but I mean, we haven't given first reasons in this bylaw. We're in the process of developing some issues. We've asked them to do a few things. This will evolve. It's a bit of a, I hate to use this word because I think I overuse it, but iterative process. It sort of evolves as we go along.

[3:06:52] Trustee Langereis: and as issues arise we try to address them we have your comments you heard me ask the

[3:06:58] Trustee Langereis: the applicant galley to take the time to address your questions and commentary if it came in your

[3:07:05] Trustee Langereis: letter and i guess we'll wait to see that and the next time this comes on our agenda which might be

[3:07:10] Trustee Langereis: december it might be january um we'll try and address some of those issues as we develop

[3:07:15] Trustee Langereis: the covenant as we remember develop the housing agreement as we finish move forward on the bylaws

[3:07:21] Trustee Langereis: This is a process that sort of evolves.

[3:07:24] Voice 23: Okay, thank you.

[3:07:25] Trustee Langereis: Can I

[3:07:27] Voice 19: just add with respect specifically to water, the LTC has directed the applicant

[3:07:32] Voice 19: to do a data logger test so they're collecting information from the LTC so that information

[3:07:46] Voice 19: will be further enhanced their understanding of the water.

[3:07:50] Voice 19: But

[3:07:50] Trustee Langereis: I hear your point and I don't want to cut you off.

[3:07:54] Trustee Langereis: you're welcome to get in but

[3:07:55] Trustee Langereis: i hear your point that that so far the the well information that

[3:08:00] Trustee Langereis: we have relates mostly to their well as well as the page drive um and so i have your point on

[3:08:08] Trustee Langereis: relation to that as to that you're urging us to ask for information perhaps beyond that yeah to

[3:08:15] Trustee Langereis: uh but how far beyond that i don't know i'm not a water expert we rely on we rely on expertise both

[3:08:22] Trustee Langereis: both from the consultants that the applicant has hired,

[3:08:27] Trustee Langereis: plus a review by our planning staff and by our freshwater specialists

[3:08:32] Trustee Langereis: to advise us as to what we think the safe way forward is for the people.

[3:08:39] Trustee Langereis: Did you have anything else?

[3:08:43] Trustee Langereis: You said you had an hour and a half, but I don't want to cut you off.

[3:08:45] Voice 24: Yeah.

[3:08:46] Voice 24: Oh, Joe, right?

[3:08:47] Voice 24: Yeah.

[3:08:50] Okay.

[3:08:51] Voice 24: My question pertains to CMS.

[3:08:55] Voice 24: Oh,

[3:08:55] Voice 11: well, we can bring, anybody else have anything on GALI they want to say?

[3:09:00] Voice 9: If I could, just one more comment on the water.

[3:09:03] Voice 9: Sure.

[3:09:03] Voice 9: And you have another review that's being done by the province.

[3:09:11] Voice 9: Right.

[3:09:14] Voice 9: It's posted on the trust website, a technical memo review of our data and information and our projects.

[3:09:33] And, you know, we do anticipate.

[3:09:35] And, of course, the provincial hydro is also looking at anything

[3:10:10] Trustee Langereis: else related to galley

[3:10:11] Trustee Langereis: from Anglican Galley.

[3:10:14] Trustee Langereis: Is there anything, anybody going to raise anything related to Giggers before we leave,

[3:10:18] Trustee Langereis: before I bring Trustee Wilmington?

[3:10:21] Trustee Langereis: Okay, then we'll just bring in, we'll get your commentary related to CMS and local

[3:10:25] Trustee Langereis: flow.

[3:10:26] Trustee Langereis: It

[3:10:29] Voice 12: doesn't sound like the wind is too high.

[3:10:31] Voice 12: With respect to the motion

[3:10:54] Voice 24: that you made, the person who announced it, and there were

[3:10:57] Voice 24: people about that that that is going to get legal review right that's

[3:11:01] Voice 16: the intention great

[3:11:03] Voice 6: yeah it would have to yeah but thank you okay

[3:11:09] Voice 16: that's the intention because yeah

[3:11:14] Voice 7: yes i just

[3:11:15] Voice 7: have one question about observation wells are they automatically hooked up and the data is

[3:11:21] Voice 7: automatically downloaded or uploaded or whatever transfer to the to whoever keeps the records for

[3:11:29] Voice 7: the other observation wells so that there's not an ongoing cost of that's collecting the data

[3:11:37] Voice 6: there's no ongoing cost it's an there's a traditional network of observation

[3:11:44] Voice 6: So

[3:11:46] Voice 7: what you're talking about in terms of getting equipment calibrated, that is a one-time cost

[3:11:53] Voice 7: that is associated with getting the observation while on the provincial system and there isn't

[3:11:59] Voice 7: ongoing data submission costs like they're going to need to hire hydrogeologists to interpret

[3:12:09] Voice 7: the data

[3:12:10] Voice 6: from the data

[3:12:11] Voice 7: loggers and submit it to the LTC?

[3:12:14] Voice 7: That's

[3:12:14] Voice 6: correct. That's correct.

[3:12:16] Voice 6: Okay, thank you.

[3:12:17] Voice 6: Yeah. I mean, we

[3:12:18] Voice 7: raised the money.

[3:12:19] Voice 6: The equipment's been purchased. It's ready to go.

[3:12:21] Voice 6: So we just need to get the technician. By hook or by crook?

[3:12:28] Trustee Langereis: You know, it's interesting. I mean, I've heard other places where they said,

[3:12:33] Trustee Langereis: oh, there's an observation well there, but I guess they aren't provincial observation wells.

[3:12:37] Trustee Langereis: when people talk about that they're just there by the landowner if they need to

[3:12:42] Trustee Langereis: do an observation they go ahead and do it but I was thinking frankly if

[3:12:46] Voice 4: you see a

[3:12:47] Voice 4: message there's

[3:12:47] Trustee Langereis: nothing well there and somewhere along the line somebody called

[3:12:50] Trustee Langereis: that an observation.

[3:12:51] Voice 6: It's a proposed observation. When William has said ideally on the island if we had them up and down on all the water districts of the island

[3:13:07] Voice 6: that would be very helpful.

[3:13:09] Voice 6: Right.

[3:13:10] Voice 6: And right now we just have two at the south end.

[3:13:14] Trustee Langereis: My guess is at some point along the line,

[3:13:16] Trustee Langereis: and I shouldn't actually say, I don't really know,

[3:13:20] Trustee Langereis: is that probably somewhere along the line

[3:13:22] Trustee Langereis: there would have to be some maintenance on these things at some point.

[3:13:25] Trustee Langereis: But generally speaking, they're automated, as I understand.

[3:13:29] Voice 6: Yeah, they're continuous.

[3:13:32] Voice 6: And I don't think, I mean, I don't think the one,

[3:13:35] Voice 6: And I don't think anyone has touched the school or the shop one much in decades.

[3:13:44] Trustee Langereis: Anything else?

[3:13:48] Trustee Langereis: Great to see you.

[3:13:49] Trustee Langereis: Congratulations again to all the restaurateurs.

[3:13:52] Trustee Langereis: Thank you.

[3:13:54] Trustee Langereis: If everybody's watching, we're done this.

[3:13:56] Trustee Langereis: We're going to adjourn now.

[3:13:59] Trustee Langereis: The broadcast should be up and in recording soon.

[3:14:03] Trustee Langereis: And we're just going to end the meeting now.

[3:14:06] Trustee Langereis: And thank you very much for your time.

[3:14:07] Trustee Langereis: Hopefully this worked well.

[3:14:08] Trustee Langereis: Bye-bye.

[3:14:09] Trustee Langereis: To

[3:14:10] Voice 19: the pizza party of Beijing.