Islands Trust Council regular meeting, December 6, 2021

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[0:00:23] Voice 12: start the recording

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[0:00:38] Voice 13: that browser comes up you want to close the browser

[0:00:44] Voice 13: I'll check the live stream right now yeah it looks good so go ahead Dan and

[0:00:52] Voice 13: start the record and then you're good to go for the meeting

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[0:01:58] Voice 13: okay Dan are you getting feedback okay so can you confirm that your Chrome

[0:02:06] Voice 13: browser or your edge browser is closed so that there's not a live stream

[0:02:10] Voice 13: browser open as well as the zoom meeting you

[0:02:13] Voice 9: mean on my on the

[0:02:15] Voice 13: on the on the small computer

[0:02:17] Voice 13: um on the computer that's running the zoom meeting you'll just want to make sure that

[0:02:21] Voice 13: it's not feeding the audio of a live stream into there as well

[0:02:25] Voice 9: just try it again

[0:02:32] Voice 13: so you want to just close all browser windows on that computer

[0:02:37] Voice 13: How's that?

[0:02:45] Voice 13: Still getting feedback.

[0:02:46] Voice 13: Okay, I'm going to jump on to the computer again for a second.

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[0:02:56] Voice 13: Okay, then there might be in the room, there might be another computer that has a Zoom meeting open.

[0:03:06] Voice 9: I've got .

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[0:03:13] Voice 13: Jane, do you have – you're in the same room, and so your audio is probably broadcasting as well.

[0:03:22] Voice 13: so you have to you can disconnect your audio by going to the mute button in the lower left-hand

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[0:03:29] Voice 12: turn right i've muted it not

[0:03:32] Voice 13: mute it you're i think yeah i think you're getting

[0:03:35] Voice 13: okay you want to disconnect if you're going to join a meeting it's not a problem

[0:03:40] Voice 13: but you can't have any audio connection to the meeting otherwise you get feedback

[0:03:46] Voice 13: okay dan i think it should be good now can you try it again well

[0:03:50] Voice 9: except i can't get

[0:03:50] Voice 9: The only thing I can say, I'm fine, I think, except that the Zoom meeting won't get big again.

[0:03:58] Voice 9: I can't get it full screen.

[0:04:00] Voice 13: Oh, I can do that.

[0:04:01] Voice 9: Would you do that for me?

[0:04:03] Voice 9: And then we'll let you get back to your table.

[0:04:12] Voice 13: Yeah, it's just a slow connection.

[0:04:14] Voice 13: So just bear with it.

[0:04:15] Voice 13: There you go.

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[0:04:21] Voice 13: How's that?

[0:04:22] Voice 9: Yeah, it's fine.

[0:04:24] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:04:24] Voice 13: just

[0:04:24] Voice 9: need to see if there's anything else open are we okay now yeah

[0:04:29] Voice 13: it looks good okay

[0:04:39] Voice 13: okay so um jane is it possible for you to to leave the meeting like you can actually leave

[0:04:46] Voice 13: the meeting entirely with there's a leave computer audio option if you go to the mute button and the

[0:04:51] Voice 13: up arrow second from the bottom it should say leave computer audio you want to just leave it

[0:04:56] Voice 13: all and um is there anybody else in the room that's joined the meeting okay oh no you're not

[0:05:06] Voice 13: muted yet so you still your your audio is connected to the meeting as well it

[0:05:12] Voice 14: says join audio

[0:05:15] Voice 13: uh okay maybe oh no i think you're good so dan can you say something again and just confirm that

[0:05:21] Voice 13: we're good welcome yeah that sounds great yes and

[0:05:30] Voice 9: we're i think we're recording and we're

[0:05:35] Voice 9: all right give

[0:05:38] Voice 9: it a go thanks mark well this may be

[0:05:45] Voice 9: maybe a way for me to shut up

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[0:05:48] Voice 13: don't let

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[0:05:52] Voice 13: what's oh i i see i think one second i'll take one more look on

[0:05:57] Voice 13: your system i don't know why we're still getting feedback but i'll try i'll see if i can find it

[0:06:01] Voice 13: here

[0:06:03] Voice 9: mark

[0:06:04] Voice 13: yeah go ahead brad sure

[0:06:07] Voice 17: rogers does have two yeah

[0:06:10] Voice 9: no i just left you just left one

[0:06:13] Voice 17: that might have fixed it as elena suggested there yeah okay

[0:06:17] Voice 22: there you go thank you very much

[0:06:19] Voice 9: so there's a there's a so that's that's a technical flaw because i think it's important

[0:06:25] Voice 9: for you guys to be able to be on the zoom meeting so you can see the staff report and whatever

[0:06:30] Voice 9: ever stop putting putting up but you can't yeah because otherwise you'll get this i haven't had

[0:06:35] Voice 9: it before so welcome everyone i'm sorry we're late uh and i know i have at least um uh seven

[0:06:43] Voice 9: or eight participants uh from uh on the zoom meeting as well into the zoom meeting not just

[0:06:49] Voice 9: the uh the broadcast um this is the galliano um regular local trust meeting on december the 6th

[0:06:58] Voice 9: of 2021. my name is i'm the chair of the local trust committee and you of course know your two

[0:07:06] Voice 9: uh trustees trustee before we start the meeting i'll take a moment to acknowledge that we're

[0:07:17] Voice 9: privileged and and um to be able to meet in the traditional territory of coast salish peoples

[0:07:28] Voice 9: and other Coast Salish peoples who have lived in this area for lots of years.

[0:07:34] Voice 9: It's a privilege to be able to do that and we're very happy to work and play in this area and across this area.

[0:07:41] Voice 9: I'm happy to be here this morning. I wasn't sure I was going to be.

[0:07:45] Voice 9: I was getting calls as I was trying to make my way through the Dean's Tunnel.

[0:07:51] Voice 9: the power was put on Galeano and we had to make a call whether we were coming or not but I had faith

[0:07:56] Voice 9: that we would get back up and running and by the time I got here the island was back

[0:08:02] Voice 9: on its arms this would be an awfully cold meeting hall without without without power plus we

[0:08:10] Voice 9: couldn't be doing what we're trying to do so I also want to introduce Carly Bilney who's our

[0:08:18] Voice 9: recorder um and you will hear as we go through the meeting a couple of other voices uh including um

[0:08:27] Voice 9: planners field test available who's presenting one of the reports we have today

[0:08:32] Voice 9: as well as island planner brad smith you'll hear him from time to time during the course of the day

[0:08:36] Voice 9: we are in the process of continuing our transition back to regular in-person meeting while continuing

[0:08:43] Voice 9: to try and make the our meetings more open to the public more transparent more um uh and by

[0:08:50] Voice 9: broadcasting them and recording them as we got we've had a chance to look at our website you'll

[0:08:54] Voice 9: have seen the recordings that show up in about a day or two after the meetings that's what we

[0:08:59] Voice 9: were trying to work out um with and turned out i was the problem the technology wasn't the problem

[0:09:06] Voice 9: which is not so terribly surprising so we're continuing this and

[0:09:11] Voice 9: hopefully within time we'll

[0:09:13] Voice 9: get to the point where we can actually have mobile completely interactive what I call hybrid

[0:09:23] Voice 9: meetings where you can both join and participate by way of of zoom or whatever whatever technology

[0:09:31] Voice 9: technology we end up using, and peer and person. We have a couple of people on our Zoom this

[0:09:36] Voice 9: morning, but that's because they're making presentations or they're applicants. But we

[0:09:42] Voice 9: aren't quite there yet, partly because they require a certain amount of support on the

[0:09:47] Voice 9: back end, more than Mark giving to me this morning, someone to monitor and control the

[0:09:52] Voice 9: electronics while we're going along. And frankly, for an economic reason, we haven't got to

[0:10:00] Voice 9: that so we're trying this process for six months approximately you know into the into the later

[0:10:08] Voice 9: part of the winter and then we'll reevaluate where we're at in terms of it but it does give us the

[0:10:13] Voice 9: ability to have um our staff join us electronically as opposed to have to travel so for example clare

[0:10:19] Voice 9: smith uh when he heard the power was out uh made the call to not join us uh in person in case the

[0:10:27] Voice 9: meeting with cancer to save the travel costs and his time etc and uh so he gets to join us

[0:10:33] Voice 9: electronically as does um phil testing um planner testing and then we have a couple of presentations

[0:10:40] Voice 9: today as well so we're trying bear with us and hopefully this is all working um we want to uh

[0:10:47] Voice 9: thank you all for joining us just for those watching at home because the camera currently

[0:10:51] Voice 9: is only focused on the three trustees we have about 30 people in the room just scanning and

[0:10:58] Voice 9: sort of guessing uh that are have joined us today thank you all last uh we're we're continuing and

[0:11:04] Voice 9: just so people because we've been asked this question a few times um because we're a local

[0:11:09] Voice 9: government um and considers to be as a result we don't do we don't do covid passports we don't

[0:11:17] Voice 9: to check for people's vaccination sets however everybody is i'm just looking around the room

[0:11:21] Voice 9: i see everybody's uh quite keen that we do have a mask rule so that everybody is masked and ask

[0:11:29] Voice 9: you to be careful of course as we go through the course with me so again thank you for joining us

[0:11:34] Voice 9: it's great to be here on galley out um so uh i'm going to go uh right to the agenda then after

[0:11:44] Voice 9: is that a little bit of a hesitant start and i know we have one item uh brad that we're adding

[0:11:50] Voice 9: to the agenda under uh applications i'm i'm going to suggest we put it down 13.4 which is the

[0:11:59] Voice 9: presentation from gagers is that correct should

[0:12:02] Voice 12: be 13.5 i think well

[0:12:04] Voice 9: i was going to take the let

[0:12:05] Voice 9: the salt spring island that would go to the bottom to the bottom yes

[0:12:09] Voice 17: thanks jerry rogers

[0:12:11] Voice 17: and

[0:12:12] Voice 9: i'm sorry maybe because i've just got a little confused with the beginning i thought

[0:12:17] Voice 9: there was enough is

[0:12:18] Voice 1: there another matter i

[0:12:19] Voice 9: wanted to add to the agenda too that you recall

[0:12:21] Voice 9: the

[0:12:22] Voice 15: protocol the tower protocol piece

[0:12:26] Voice 9: is it always it not on the agenda no it's here

[0:12:29] Voice 9: yeah it's like

[0:12:30] Voice 9: 16.1 so it's definitely here there

[0:12:33] Voice 17: was one other item i'll look it up and

[0:12:35] Voice 17: if there is something i'll let you

[0:12:37] Voice 6: know communicating on

[0:12:37] Voice 9: friday and i think i said

[0:12:39] Voice 9: it or earlier in the week and i thought that my brain was telling me there were two and i

[0:12:43] Voice 9: i'd have to go back and find the emails um but we'll add a 13.4 we're going to have a

[0:12:50] Voice 9: short update presentation there's no decision i don't want it but there's going to be enough

[0:12:55] Voice 9: short update from on the uh giggers uh housing application for which trustee wilburton will

[0:13:05] Voice 9: um okay uh so with that is there anything else that i think he wants to add on the agenda

[0:13:12] Voice 9: no then we'll take the agenda adopted as a method trustee reports first

[0:13:24] Voice 14: um yeah we just finished council for uh the past three days on a tuesday wednesday thursday of

[0:13:30] Voice 14: last week a lot of budget discussion and um the consultation will be

[0:13:33] Voice 12: coming up to the public

[0:13:34] Voice 12: was around February or March,

[0:13:35] Voice 12: but I'll remind everyone to participate.

[0:13:38] Voice 12: It's a good thing to talk about.

[0:13:40] Voice 12: So that's it for me.

[0:13:42] Voice 12: Okay.

[0:13:43] Voice 12: We also have the Southern Gulf Island Forum in November.

[0:13:49] Voice 12: And that's a forum that includes the elected people

[0:13:54] Voice 12: in the Southern Gulf Islands.

[0:13:55] Voice 12: So that's Elizabeth May from the federal government

[0:13:58] Voice 12: and Adam Olson and the regional directors

[0:14:02] Voice 12: and any trustees who are able to participate,

[0:14:06] Voice 12: as well as the elected officials

[0:14:09] Voice 12: from the different nations, First Nations in the area.

[0:14:15] Voice 12: So, sorry, I'm having trouble with this mask.

[0:14:20] Voice 12: So the plan had been for that meeting

[0:14:24] Voice 12: to focus on Transport Canada and the anchorages

[0:14:28] Voice 12: and the shipping, and they were unable to make it.

[0:14:33] Voice 12: So we did talk a lot about the storms

[0:14:35] Voice 12: and how the storms had affected the islands.

[0:14:38] Voice 12: And in particular, the roads that, on many islands,

[0:14:44] Voice 12: there were washouts of the roads.

[0:14:46] Voice 12: And there was concern that with our contracted service,

[0:14:52] Voice 12: we are getting repairs, but not so often maintenance,

[0:14:57] Voice 12: ongoing maintenance that might prevent some of the washouts.

[0:15:00] Voice 12: So culverts and things like that.

[0:15:03] Voice 12: So that was quite a focus of the discussion

[0:15:07] Voice 12: on several of the islands.

[0:15:10] Voice 12: At Trust Council, there was a delegation on vessels

[0:15:17] Voice 12: and on the materials that are used to scrub the,

[0:15:23] Voice 12: I guess it's to scrub the oil out of the-

[0:15:26] Voice 12: the sulfur. So there was a motion passed by Trust Council to ask government to look at ending that and to look at a different kind of procedure.

[0:15:40] Voice 12: As Trustee Rockefeller mentioned, the preliminary budget was passed.

[0:15:46] Voice 12: The Stewardship Awards, which used to be an annual event, have been changed to every four

[0:15:52] Voice 12: years and they will occur in the last year of the term of the trustees.

[0:15:57] Voice 12: And the Governance Review, which has been ongoing for the past year, or just, no, eight

[0:16:06] Voice 12: or nine months, there will be a report on the governance to Trust Council for the March

[0:16:11] Voice 12: meeting.

[0:16:12] Voice 12: and that's all okay

[0:16:21] Voice 9: great thanks very much yeah and what that report was

[0:16:25] Voice 9: a woman working on vessels is that i didn't know this was that when they they put scrubbers on the

[0:16:35] Voice 9: ships they take the sulfur out of the out of the air emissions but it ends up in the water

[0:16:42] Voice 9: they're basically just taking the pollution from the air and transmitting it into

[0:16:46] Voice 9: water pollution and so she was bringing this to our attention and asking us to take a position

[0:16:52] Voice 9: on that which was a motion passed to do just that so you know one of those you get some certain

[0:17:00] Voice 9: information you think that's cool that's good and then you find out that maybe not so um trust

[0:17:06] Voice 9: Trust Council was very busy.

[0:17:10] Voice 9: It is budget time and we spent most of the second day

[0:17:15] Voice 9: or a lot of time the second day discussing budget items

[0:17:19] Voice 9: in and out because December tends to be the time

[0:17:22] Voice 9: when the trustees have their discussion amongst themselves

[0:17:26] Voice 9: about what they think should and shouldn't be in the budget

[0:17:29] Voice 9: and what they think is an appropriate amount

[0:17:30] Voice 9: to put out there.

[0:17:33] Voice 9: I will reiterate what Trustee Wilberton said

[0:17:35] Voice 9: That is, this is coming up in January, February

[0:17:38] Voice 9: is the time to, that there'll be a outreach

[0:17:42] Voice 9: to the communities, to the various islands, but budget.

[0:17:47] Voice 9: There are a number, I just ask you to remember a few things.

[0:17:49] Voice 9: There are a number of costs that we incur

[0:17:51] Voice 9: that are in some ways are increases

[0:17:55] Voice 9: that are in some ways unavoidable.

[0:17:57] Voice 9: We're tied into the provincial government's

[0:17:59] Voice 9: collective agreement, so whatever they negotiate

[0:18:01] Voice 9: with the with their union I stopped is it's passed on plus there's certain

[0:18:07] Voice 9: costs related to insurance if you've tried to you've tried to renew your own

[0:18:12] Voice 9: personal insurance you know the costs have gone up whether going on for us to

[0:18:16] Voice 9: as we try and enforce and or not enforce or resolve issues as the case may be

[0:18:23] Voice 9: those costs continue to increase so we have some sort of unavoidable cost of

[0:18:27] Voice 9: what our discussion ends up being focused on is what projects we think we can get done in the in

[0:18:32] Voice 9: the 12 months that starts in april of 2022 and what we can what we're prepared to fund and not

[0:18:39] Voice 9: so as you're reviewing the budget it's a good idea to look at that and keep that in mind in

[0:18:46] Voice 9: terms of your responses to the various questions in both the survey or

[0:18:50] Voice 9: make an individualized

[0:18:51] Voice 9: response we encourage both of those and then in march we'll get back to the budget again we'll

[0:18:57] Voice 9: come in with all the commentary and the trustees will all have a chance to um do the challenging

[0:19:02] Voice 9: job of going through the commentary i've been a trustee now for seven years and in my first

[0:19:08] Voice 9: couple years we get you know 130 150 responses across the island for the last couple years we've

[0:19:15] Voice 9: been getting 850 950. so it's a little bit more challenging to to absorb everything that everybody

[0:19:23] Voice 9: everybody is saying. So

[0:19:24] Voice 10: it's

[0:19:25] Voice 9: great if there's that much more engagement. There were a number

[0:19:31] Voice 9: of other things discussed at Trust Council. It's all online and you can go and look at

[0:19:37] Voice 9: that. The only other thing I wanted to report was just for my own purposes. I did have a

[0:19:45] Voice 9: chance at the end of the meeting because our meeting in November was a little bit shorter

[0:19:48] Voice 9: order than usual I got a chance and thanks to Mike I don't know if he's here or not but to have a

[0:19:54] Voice 9: brief a tour of the galley site and the galley on the stream a chance to see that and see what

[0:20:01] Voice 9: that's all about. I think that's all I need to report on there's lots there's lots and lots

[0:20:11] Voice 9: There's lots going on in the trust in relation to our main objectives of not just governance, but also our projects around water.

[0:20:21] Voice 9: There's lots of water projects that are being funded and are sort of moving forward around reconciliation, of course, and our relationships.

[0:20:30] Voice 9: There's a report in the press council report of all the things on a variety of different

[0:20:35] Voice 9: levels and locations where the trust is making connections and attempting to build relationships

[0:20:42] Voice 9: and have a deeper understanding of the various First Nations around the trust area, of which

[0:20:49] Voice 9: there are many.

[0:20:51] Voice 9: It's a very diverse area.

[0:20:55] Voice 9: So if you can look at an aisle like Galliano, there's probably seven or eight First Nations

[0:21:00] Voice 9: that we do a standard referral to.

[0:21:02] Voice 9: We'll multiply that everywhere you go, all the way up to Denman, Marnie, and then over

[0:21:08] Voice 9: in my area, which is from the house up.

[0:21:13] Voice 9: So I'm not sure if there's anything else, but if anyone has a question, you can do so

[0:21:17] Voice 9: in the next section.

[0:21:18] Voice 9: it so so this is the opportunity what we call uh town hall and questions um just so you know

[0:21:26] Voice 9: this is interesting after years i'm not sure it's going to change in the local trust areas

[0:21:31] Voice 9: but at least at trust council we've decided to after much i've heard that mentioned probably

[0:21:38] Voice 9: 40 times we're going to change that period to public comment period um i went away from town

[0:21:44] Voice 9: town hall. But I know there's a tradition on the islands that it's called town hall

[0:21:51] Voice 9: and we'll see how each local trust area decides, committee decides to name it going forward.

[0:21:56] Voice 9: This is your opportunity to speak to the trustees, to ask questions or to make commentary about

[0:22:01] Voice 9: anything that's on our agenda or anything that's within our jurisdiction. We're open

[0:22:08] Voice 9: to that i ask you to remember that there are the the very few simple rules that we uh we ask

[0:22:15] Voice 9: everyone to abide by and that's one is to please speak to the trustees uh not to each other uh and

[0:22:22] Voice 9: not to the rest of the community and not to staff if there's a question or a commentary that that is

[0:22:27] Voice 9: intended to be for staff i'll pass it on to the staff and ask them to answer um the second thing

[0:22:33] Voice 9: is please speak to issues and not people um this is not an opportunity for anyone to try and

[0:22:40] Voice 9: to characterize somebody else's actions or how somebody else is acting this is your opportunity

[0:22:47] Voice 9: to speak to issues uh and not people and the third third thing i'd say is we we do expect

[0:22:54] Voice 9: appropriate language throughout um i i don't tolerate any of what i call the isms where you

[0:23:01] Voice 9: where you fall into one of those racism or sexism or you can think of the rest of that list so we

[0:23:08] Voice 9: ask you to please speak appropriately or as I like to sometimes say speak in a way and address us in

[0:23:13] Voice 9: a way that would make your grandmother proud and so with that I'm going to just ask we do have a

[0:23:24] Voice 9: couple of scenarios where there are a couple of issues where we have each of one of the trustees

[0:23:32] Voice 9: recused from that so we they can't they don't stay during the commentary during the town hall

[0:23:37] Voice 9: when that issue comes up um so so what i'm going to say is if what i'd ask is i'd like to ask if

[0:23:44] Voice 9: anybody wishes to speak on anything and by the way if you're an applicant you'll have an opportunity

[0:23:50] Voice 9: to do is we speak briefly when your application is being considered so you don't need to although

[0:23:56] Voice 9: you can speak about um the issues that are there um so if anybody has anything they'd like to speak

[0:24:04] Voice 9: about or talk to or ask a question about that's not related to either of the two affordable housing

[0:24:11] Voice 9: projects so videos or galley uh could you put your hand up now and i'll i'll work my way around the

[0:24:17] Voice 9: room at that point. Okay, so I

[0:24:19] Voice 6: saw your answer,

[0:24:20] Voice 9: sir. I'm sorry,

[0:24:21] Voice 9: and I don't

[0:24:22] Voice 9: recognize you. I apologize, but I'm having trouble

[0:24:24] Voice 9: recognizing you, particularly if you're wearing a

[0:24:28] Voice 24: hat. But that's

[0:24:29] Voice 24: good.

[0:24:32] Voice 24: Good afternoon. I have two questions both concerning the

[0:24:36] Voice 24: proposed bylaw amendment 256. So questions with regards to the

[0:24:46] Voice 24: the by-law amendment 256, which is an amendment

[0:24:49] Voice 24: to the community facilities and utilities section

[0:24:52] Voice 24: of the Galliano Official Community Plan.

[0:24:56] Voice 24: This proposed by-law amendment, if approved,

[0:24:59] Voice 24: would introduce a new subsection

[0:25:02] Voice 24: called 4.4 Spiritual Education under Community Facilities.

[0:25:08] Voice 24: The purpose of the proposal is to make

[0:25:10] Voice 24: the Official Community Plan consistent

[0:25:12] Voice 24: with the Crystal Mountain Society's application

[0:25:15] Voice 24: location to rezone its north end forestry lot. The Crystal Mountain Society seeks to

[0:25:21] Voice 24: legitimize and expand illegal retreats on the forestry lot. First question is, the overarching

[0:25:31] Voice 24: policy under community facilities of the OCP has been that the principal use must be as

[0:25:37] Voice 24: a community facility. So the question is, why has this principle not been adopted as

[0:25:42] Voice 24: as part of the subsection 4.4 proposal.

[0:25:45] Voice 24: And the second question is what gauge

[0:25:48] Voice 24: has our local government applied or research performed

[0:25:51] Voice 24: to determine if there is broad community support

[0:25:55] Voice 24: for this OCP amendment on Galliano Island,

[0:25:59] Voice 24: especially in light of a recently submitted petition

[0:26:02] Voice 24: signed by about 180 Galliano residents and landowners

[0:26:06] Voice 24: in opposition to the Crystal Mountain Society's

[0:26:08] Voice 24: rezone application.

[0:26:09] Voice 24: thank you I look forward to the response I can maybe

[0:26:13] Voice 24: attempt

[0:26:14] Voice 9: to answer the second

[0:26:15] Voice 9: part of the question which is what do we do to gauge public support or not

[0:26:21] Voice 9: supported but we listen to the community in all forms not just petition but also

[0:26:25] Voice 9: letters we receive communication you see phone calls we receive all sorts of

[0:26:33] Voice 9: material in terms of we don't we don't necessarily do a although you could uh don't do a survey or a

[0:26:42] Voice 9: plebiscite or or any of that thing for for rezoning applications that's not our normal practice

[0:26:47] Voice 9: and of course the end result of all of this is besides having town halls all the time receiving

[0:26:52] Voice 9: all that commentary um and receiving numerous letters uh we received probably i'm gonna say

[0:27:01] Voice 9: eight letters in the last four days and of course probably uh 25 or 30 depending on how you count it

[0:27:08] Voice 9: not counting the petition in the month before that so we're getting a lot of commentary so we

[0:27:14] Voice 9: so we're way all over commentary the information that we get and of course the ultimate is is that

[0:27:20] Voice 9: we have public if we if it gets that far we get to a public hearing which is the final step um as to

[0:27:27] Voice 9: to your first question,

[0:27:29] Voice 9: which is related to the proposal

[0:27:33] Voice 9: to put this facility and this rezoning

[0:27:37] Voice 9: into the community facility section.

[0:27:40] Voice 9: Brad, can you hear me?

[0:27:52] Voice 16: I'm coming.

[0:27:53] Voice 16: Oh, sorry.

[0:27:55] Voice 17: Yeah, so maybe the question could be repeated.

[0:27:58] Voice 17: I think I understood it, but,

[0:28:08] Voice 24: The question is an overarching policy under community facilities of the OCP has been that

[0:28:17] Voice 24: the principal use must be as a community facility. Why

[0:28:21] Voice 24: has this principle not been adopted as part

[0:28:24] Voice 24: part of the subsection 4.4 proposal.

[0:28:27] Voice 17: So can I clarify, I can't speak to why,

[0:28:32] Voice 17: and that's really, I think with the elected officials

[0:28:35] Voice 17: in the room to speak to why it's not placed

[0:28:40] Voice 17: under 4.1 community facility,

[0:28:42] Voice 17: but what I need to make clear from a technical point,

[0:28:45] Voice 17: which I have expressed before,

[0:28:47] Voice 17: that 4.1 is separate from 4.2 and separate from 4.3

[0:28:53] Voice 17: and separate from 4.4 the new policies being proposed and so the 4.1 community facility

[0:29:01] Voice 17: policies well it's under the the header of community facilities and utilities each one

[0:29:06] Voice 17: of those 4.1 4.2 is standalone on itself it doesn't uh um so uh in this case it's not being

[0:29:15] Voice 17: designated or not being proposed to be designated a community facility it's being proposed to be

[0:29:20] Voice 17: be designated a 4.4 of this new zone, this new designation.

[0:29:31] Voice 17: And so the policies that have been created to reflect that designation, staff have deemed

[0:29:39] Voice 17: that the proposal by the applicant is consistent with those.

[0:29:45] Voice 17: It is up to LTC to decide if those policies are appropriate there or whether they should

[0:29:52] Voice 17: be somewhere else or whatever they want to do with them is that clear

[0:29:57] Voice 9: i'll just i'll just say one more

[0:30:00] Voice 9: with the that the risk of speaking too much we've received a lot of commentary that people think

[0:30:05] Voice 9: they're telling us that they don't think that's the right place for it it should be in the

[0:30:08] Voice 9: commercial and economic activity section um and i'll take all that into account as we go forward

[0:30:15] Voice 9: okay over this way sorry um yes you were here first today so

[0:30:31] Voice 11: it is a pleasure to be standing in front of you today in person thank you for all the hard work

[0:30:36] Voice 11: you do to benefit the community of galliano island it is truly appreciated my name is susan

[0:30:41] Voice 11: van asselt i live at the north end of galliano island and i support the rezoning application

[0:30:45] Voice 11: put forward by crystal mountain society i'm very appreciative that crystal mountain is proposing

[0:30:51] Voice 11: proposing a progressive and creative land use plan

[0:30:54] Voice 11: to rezone its 50-acre F1 forestry lot

[0:30:56] Voice 11: to spiritual education use,

[0:30:58] Voice 11: removing any possibility to clear-cut the land,

[0:31:01] Voice 11: as well its proposal to rezone

[0:31:03] Voice 11: the 10-acre residential property adjacent to the F1 lot,

[0:31:06] Voice 11: removing the residential building rights of house,

[0:31:08] Voice 11: guest cottage, home-based business, gardens, et cetera,

[0:31:11] Voice 11: and giving it a nature protection status is refreshing.

[0:31:15] Voice 11: I am also impressed with the local trust committee's

[0:31:17] Voice 11: site-specific rezoning process.

[0:31:19] Voice 11: based on the Islands Trust Policy Statement and the Galliano Islands

[0:31:23] Voice 11: Official Community Plan. Looking explicitly at how the land is configured

[0:31:28] Voice 11: and its proposed use provides the basis for unique one-of-a-kind rezoning

[0:31:33] Voice 11: specific to this location only. My first unease is about the opposition's focus

[0:31:39] Voice 11: on spreading non-certain misinformation about the land user rather than

[0:31:44] Voice 11: concentrating on land use components. For example, members of Crystal Mountain have

[0:31:49] Voice 11: have been accused of polluting creeks,

[0:31:50] Voice 11: contributing to COVID policies, overpopulating the land,

[0:31:54] Voice 11: inappropriately welcoming visitors from other countries,

[0:31:57] Voice 11: being volunteers, being paid, breaking rental agreements,

[0:32:02] Voice 11: taking over the north end, being bad at composting, et cetera.

[0:32:08] Voice 11: These accusations are often delivered

[0:32:10] Voice 11: in a harassing and bullying tone

[0:32:12] Voice 11: and appear to be aimed at questioning the integrity

[0:32:14] Voice 11: of this registered charity and the trustworthiness

[0:32:17] Voice 9: of the-

[0:32:17] Voice 9: recall that what i asked was you talked not about what other people were doing but i talked about

[0:32:22] Voice 9: the issues and i appreciate your point but please if we could not sort of drift into

[0:32:28] Voice 9: commentary about other people's actions that would be helpful okay

[0:32:31] Voice 11: our personal attacks

[0:32:34] Voice 11: and statements warranted or pertinent when a rezoning proposal is about land use

[0:32:38] Voice 11: so that's what i wanted to say future discussions need to focus solely on land use and not on the

[0:32:44] Voice 11: land user. This is the responsibility of all residents of Galliano Island.

[0:32:48] Voice 11: Any attack on the land user needs to stop and any concerns supported

[0:32:52] Voice 11: by verifiable facts. My second unease is regarding the fear-mongering

[0:32:57] Voice 11: taking place over the perceived danger of having split lots and that it damages

[0:33:01] Voice 11: the integrity of the environment and amenities and sets a dangerous precedent for

[0:33:05] Voice 11: other rezoning proposals. It is important that this application be viewed

[0:33:09] Voice 11: as the site-specific rezoning that it is and is not used to instill

[0:33:13] Voice 11: fear about what others may or may not propose to do in the future besides specific qualities

[0:33:18] Voice 11: of this application provide assurance that this proposal cannot be duplicated elsewhere

[0:33:23] Voice 11: i appreciate the delicate balance the local trust committee must walk in order to be respectful of

[0:33:27] Voice 11: all the residents of galliano island i am deeply grateful for the tireless work you do to benefit

[0:33:32] Voice 11: all of us and i urge you to consider the above mentioned points of view thank

[0:33:36] Voice 9: you very much

[0:33:38] Voice 9: Okay, I saw a hand over at this lady at the back, yes.

[0:33:43] Voice 12: Good afternoon, I'm Elizabeth Ladd of 1029 Monty Booth.

[0:33:47] Voice 9: You got your letter, Ms. Ladd.

[0:33:49] Voice 12: Thank you, and I sent it that way, but I wanted to make a personal testimony.

[0:33:53] Voice 12: I wanted to speak, and I sent that to you because I can't present you with one,

[0:33:59] Voice 12: because my printer and my machine don't work.

[0:34:01] Voice 22: It's fine, it's fine. I just wanted to let you know that

[0:34:03] Voice 12: you got your letter.

[0:34:11] Voice 12: Are they

[0:34:11] Voice 9: both about Crystal Mount?

[0:34:13] Voice 12: No.

[0:34:13] Voice 12: Oh.

[0:34:13] Voice 9: Well, if one of them is about one of the affordable housing projects, you can't speak on it.

[0:34:18] Voice 12: No, one is about this house model.

[0:34:19] Voice 12: Right,

[0:34:21] Voice 9: and we got your letter on that one, too.

[0:34:23] Voice 12: Yeah, I know what I represented.

[0:34:25] Voice 9: Yeah, yeah.

[0:34:25] Voice 9: Well, why don't I give you a couple of minutes now, and if you can't finish, we'll come back.

[0:34:29] Voice 9: Okay.

[0:34:30] Voice 12: That's good.

[0:34:30] Voice 12: Okay.

[0:34:31] Voice 12: Thank you very much.

[0:34:33] Voice 12: I have friends on both sides of this controversy, Crystal Mountain, but I am advocating for the Crystal Mountain Society for many years, following many conversations with those opposed to their plans, making many concessions and plan changes.

[0:34:49] Voice 12: Crystal Mountain has arrived at a project plan that offers protection to 90% of the land.

[0:34:54] Voice 12: The stewardship of land and water based in science is responsible and generous both to the environment and to our greater community.

[0:35:06] Voice 12: I have examined this project. I know the Crystal Mountain community and have, in the past, participated in some of their programs.

[0:35:14] Voice 12: I would be very grateful if Crystal Mountain were to be my neighbor across the road.

[0:35:21] Voice 12: as a community we have become divided often with patrimony such divisions kill initiatives that

[0:35:29] Voice 12: will move us forward when an opportunity such as the crystal mountain application comes along

[0:35:35] Voice 12: we should as a community be bold and embrace it life has changed we need to move on thank you

[0:35:42] Voice 12: thanks

[0:35:42] Voice 9: and maybe then what we'll do is thank you for that maybe what we'll do is

[0:35:46] Voice 9: that's all finished with any commentary about crystal mountain and then we'll come back around

[0:35:50] Voice 9: because i know there's probably some folks that want to speak on the uh antenna issue um so let's

[0:35:57] Voice 9: go here how about this lady in the purple sweater i guess it's not a sweater

[0:36:03] Voice 12: good afternoon chair

[0:36:07] Voice 12: rogers and trustees rockefeller and wilderton and planner smith my name is giselle savras i live on

[0:36:15] Voice 12: Galliano close to the Crystal Mountain site. I've been coming to Galliano for decades since the 90s

[0:36:21] Voice 12: and remember attending the meetings that took place when the OCP for the island was being

[0:36:26] Voice 12: debated especially around the subdivisions

[0:36:29] Voice 23: proposed for the former Macmillan Bluedale lands.

[0:36:32] Voice 23: As a result the F1 zoning

[0:36:35] Voice 12: was imposed on some lots for forestry use which I would like to remind you

[0:36:41] Voice 12: all includes cutting trees down. My interest in coming to Galliano was because Crystal Mountain

[0:36:47] Voice 12: owned property here and it was my way of escaping the city to de-stress and to meditate on my own

[0:36:53] Voice 12: with like-minded people or when Crystal Mountain goes through trees and teachings.

[0:36:59] Voice 12: What I saw happen in the next few years once the OCP was finalized

[0:37:04] Voice 22: is that a

[0:37:04] Voice 12: number of the

[0:37:05] Voice 12: forest lots were cleared of trees, a development I have not expected from the owners of these lots.

[0:37:11] Voice 12: Crystal Mountain purchased Lot 9 in 1999 after it had been logged.

[0:37:15] Voice 12: The members have been maintaining the lot dealt with invasive species that casually arise after land is clear cut.

[0:37:23] Voice 12: We have not deliberately cut trees down, except for safety reasons and clearing brush for tent sites.

[0:37:29] Voice 12: No new roads were constructed. Members continue to use and using access roads.

[0:37:34] Voice 12: Crystal Mountain is donating Lot 9 with its wetland and mature trees,

[0:37:38] Voice 12: and furthermore is planning a 219 covenant on the balance of the lands that it is keeping

[0:37:44] Voice 12: to maintain forest coverage. Lot coverage will be less than two percent of the lands.

[0:37:49] Voice 12: We will provide an emergency route

[0:37:51] Voice 23: for residents and visitors north on the north end of the island

[0:37:56] Voice 23: should parlor

[0:37:57] Voice 12: pass road become blocked. We will transfer title to 75 percent of the lands.

[0:38:01] Voice 12: The transfer of title will include lot nine, really an unnecessary move in my opinion

[0:38:07] Voice 12: and it is a gift to the Galliano community.

[0:38:11] Voice 12: Now coming to my point, I have an important question to ask.

[0:38:14] Voice 12: Do land use rezonings create a legal precedent?

[0:38:18] Voice 12: I understand that each forest lot on Galliano is unique,

[0:38:22] Voice 12: and so every rezoning and the land-specific requirements

[0:38:26] Voice 12: are examined in relation to the appropriate policies and directives.

[0:38:29] Voice 12: With regards to land use, treating each rezoning application

[0:38:33] Voice 23: as a site-specific rezoning with its own type of laws

[0:38:38] Voice 23: ensures that future rezonings will be approached with a fresh view.

[0:38:41] Voice 23: Some examples of one-of-a-kind rezonings are the museum, the pub, the film school,

[0:38:47] Voice 12: and any of the affordable housing rezonings, and the miller-dwerning center.

[0:38:52] Voice 12: As long as the island's trust policies followed and our OCP principles are respected

[0:38:57] Voice 12: for each

[0:38:58] Voice 23: and every rezoning, then we as islanders will be sure to continue to preserve and protect

[0:39:02] Voice 23: to protect our sensitive ecosystems while introducing valuable

[0:39:06] Voice 12: and beneficial educational opportunities for islanders and non-residents.

[0:39:12] Voice 12: Would any of these rezonings ride on the backs of others or allow future proposals to necessarily follow in those exact footsteps?

[0:39:21] Voice 12: Well, I think not. As for Crystal Mountain's application for rezoning as a forest retreat and to fill it as a member of Crystal Mountain,

[0:39:30] Voice 12: we have paid attention to the community's requests for water use, protection of forests, and protection of sensitive ecosystems.

[0:39:37] Voice 12: We have continued to contribute to the island's economy.

[0:39:41] Voice 12: A number of members of Crystal Mountain now reside on the island full-time,

[0:39:46] Voice 12: have

[0:39:47] Voice 23: built houses, and have also contributed to the healthy survival of local businesses.

[0:39:51] Voice 23: This rezoning would allow Crystal Mountain to develop its centre with appropriate low-impact facilities.

[0:39:57] Voice 23: It will be there for people to pursue

[0:39:59] Voice 12: their spiritual aspirations in a

[0:40:02] Voice 12: natural environment

[0:40:03] Voice 12: that is conducive to their development of spiritual beings.

[0:40:06] Voice 12: I ask the trustees to move forward with the next steps as quickly as possible.

[0:40:11] Voice 12: Fourteen years of debate has allowed everyone who wants to speak to do so.

[0:40:17] Voice 7: Thank you.

[0:40:19] Voice 9: Thanks.

[0:40:19] Voice 9: Just because I've sort of been a bit lax on time with a lot of speakers, I'm guessing,

[0:40:25] Voice 9: I think we try and limit ourselves to a couple of minutes.

[0:40:28] Voice 9: That would be great.

[0:40:29] Voice 9: I did see you back here, sir, if you wanted to go next.

[0:40:35] Voice 9: It's Keogh, isn't it?

[0:40:36] Voice 9: Oh, no, I meant Keogh.

[0:40:38] Voice 9: You named Keogh.

[0:40:39] Voice 12: I think it's Keogh.

[0:40:40] Voice 9: I can't really

[0:40:41] Voice 12: tell with the map.

[0:40:43] Thank you, Keogh.

[0:40:45] I'm going to bring it back.

[0:40:51] And the ancient history is that the 75-25 idea was for retaining forests, not for preserving

[0:41:06] clear cuts or husbanding them.

[0:41:10] And that that was an offer

[0:41:13] Voice 5: to the first purchasers as an opportunity to save forests.

[0:41:21] Voice 5: The applications that have been successful were not, in fact, saving any forest.

[0:41:31] The air development was after Clearcut and was implicated in managing the forest fires.

[0:41:40] that

[0:41:42] Voice 5: this 75-25 thing should keep moving forward into this now present is something that is

[0:41:53] Voice 5: a precedent.

[0:41:55] Voice 5: And the precedent being opportunity turned off was turned off a few years later and is

[0:42:05] Voice 5: still somehow a precedent.

[0:42:08] Voice 5: It should not be a precedent.

[0:42:11] the forest is zoned forest

[0:42:14] I had a discussion

[0:42:16] with somebody who was very frustrated

[0:42:18] about any development

[0:42:19] and I said I'm sorry

[0:42:22] Voice 5: but this is a place

[0:42:23] Voice 5: one of the few places in the entire

[0:42:26] Voice 5: world where

[0:42:28] Voice 5: the community has the right

[0:42:30] Voice 5: to keep it how it is

[0:42:32] Voice 5: and to resist

[0:42:34] Voice 5: change

[0:42:35] Voice 5: that this is for spiritual

[0:42:38] Voice 5: development and sustainable

[0:42:41] Voice 5: which implies profit, investing money so that their patrons can be more comfortable, something

[0:42:51] Voice 5: that is within their mandate, but not an expectation of the trust, that there should be 14 years

[0:43:00] Voice 5: years of investment is a series of money that the Forest Commission had very clear dictates

[0:43:12] Voice 5: about how to preserve the forest and site-specific hooked lot transferring titles is not something

[0:43:26] Voice 5: anticipated or encouraged in any plan by anybody that the Crystal Mountain I am sure is frustrated

[0:43:40] Voice 5: as to feel obligation because there's been a mismatch of intent on the side of the trust

[0:43:48] Voice 5: and intent on the side of Crystal Mountain is the reason it's meshed in ground for 14 years.

[0:43:59] Voice 5: So we are now here in a place that can cause the same precedent as this 75-25, which should be over, saving more already forested forestry.

[0:44:12] Voice 9: So can I ask you to wrap it up? We need to move through another.

[0:44:15] Voice 9: I am interested

[0:44:18] Voice 5: in that to say no is a strong option to be obligated or to feel any obligation

[0:44:30] for the 14 years of wasted time and energy is something that you should not own.

[0:44:38] Okay, thank you.

[0:44:39] So,

[0:44:40] Voice 5: I'm not for the mountain subdivision because of the structural impacts.

[0:44:49] Voice 5: If they were really interested, how about buying an adjacent forest plot to actually make some difference and increase...

[0:44:57] Voice 5: No,

[0:44:58] Voice 9: actually, because you're starting to talk to the Crystal Mountain folks.

[0:45:02] Voice 5: well okay i would say then to the trustee if there is some non-compliance with any suggestion in the

[0:45:12] Voice 5: trust to keep it simple that you just say no keep it simple thank

[0:45:19] Voice 9: you okay so where i thought oh

[0:45:22] Voice 9: Thank you. Yes. Yes. I'm sorry. Yes. Go ahead. I had you sit down.

[0:45:32] Voice 12: I can do that.

[0:45:38] Voice 12: Chair Rogers and Trustee Swanson and Rockfeld and Brad Smith.

[0:45:45] Voice 12: My name is Nancy McPhee and I live at Broad Road up here on Galliano Island.

[0:45:50] Voice 12: i moved to live here full-time in 1995. the furor over the sale and the use of four slots was in

[0:46:00] Voice 12: full rage public meetings were fraught with anger and frustration and there was an ocp review in

[0:46:07] Voice 12: those years where islanders worked hard to make some guidelines for what could happen in the land

[0:46:13] Voice 12: zone f1 which at the time approximately half the island over seven acres well there's still been

[0:46:20] Voice 12: some movement forward regarding the rezoning of f1 land there has been mostly stall there appears

[0:46:26] Voice 12: to be resistance by some to anything other than traditional subdivision for example panorama

[0:46:32] Voice 12: oh this is up off in your way and even though it took many years to get through the

[0:46:38] Voice 12: bureaucratic morass called rezoning i've been a member of crystal mountain society since 2010.

[0:46:45] Voice 12: the crystal mountain society's rezoning application has been in front of the trust for 14

[0:46:50] Voice 12: or 17 years, depending when you start counting.

[0:46:54] Voice 12: The other letters that will be submitted today,

[0:46:56] Voice 12: or you've probably received some of them,

[0:46:58] Voice 12: refer to the innovative and creative solutions

[0:47:01] Voice 12: shaped by Crystal Mountain,

[0:47:02] Voice 12: round table conversations with North End residents,

[0:47:05] Voice 12: which included preservation of land,

[0:47:08] Voice 12: protection of ecosystems, transfer of tidal,

[0:47:11] Voice 12: studies on water capacity, et cetera.

[0:47:14] Voice 12: These agreements seem to have been forgotten,

[0:47:16] Voice 12: despite being made in good faith.

[0:47:18] Voice 12: Instead, those in opposition to Chris O'Mountain vilify us as people unwanted, untrustworthy

[0:47:26] Voice 12: neighbors accused of allowing foreigners to come to the island to stay in the forest retreat

[0:47:32] Voice 12: preserved for reflection and contemplation at its very essence to pursue the study of

[0:47:37] Voice 12: the nature of mind.

[0:47:39] Voice 12: This is a good, strongly written, site-specific rezoning.

[0:47:44] Voice 12: Innovative, creative, and gentle on the forest lands, everyone wants to protect.

[0:47:48] Voice 12: tech will thoughtful site specific zoning applications to

[0:47:55] Voice 12: come. Ensuring sensitive ecosystems of Caliano will be

[0:47:59] Voice 12: protected in perpetuity. But I really would like to comment on

[0:48:04] Voice 12: the town hall meetings. None of

[0:48:07] Voice 12: them have here. Each meeting is

[0:48:10] Voice 12: an opportunity to talk to the agenda items. Since I started

[0:48:15] Voice 12: in attending the LTC meetings in 1995.

[0:48:18] Voice 12: So, I've said about this already.

[0:48:21] Voice 12: In 1995, there are some who have taken it on

[0:48:25] Voice 12: to criticize, attack, deride, bully, and harass

[0:48:30] Voice 12: supporting any topic that doesn't .

[0:48:35] Voice 12: After working with two Al-Qaeda consultants

[0:48:37] Voice 12: hired by the Amish Trust in 2007,

[0:48:41] Voice 12: two became the Citroën.

[0:48:44] Voice 12: Finally, after efforts to bring people together

[0:48:46] Voice 12: able to talk that met with complete obstruction, I took my leave of our politics. I stopped coming

[0:48:55] Voice 12: to the LTC meetings because of the tone set by a certain few community members.

[0:49:03] Voice 12: I'm fed up with being treated as a pariah, an outsider not wanted here. I know what it's like

[0:49:12] Voice 12: to be shunned and ignored. What distresses me is the unsimple behavior present in these town hall

[0:49:19] Voice 12: meetings. Snide tone, derogatory comments, mistruths and personal attacks all amount to a toxic

[0:49:27] Voice 12: environment at the LTC meetings. Criticism of the LTC's trustees, the chair, the island's trust

[0:49:35] Voice 12: as planners, professionals, experts in hydrology,

[0:49:39] Voice 12: forest ecology, and so on,

[0:49:41] Voice 12: these people frequently and publicly are accused

[0:49:44] Voice 12: of not doing their jobs.

[0:49:47] Voice 12: I implore the LTC, Chair Rogers in particular,

[0:49:52] Voice 12: to put a stop to this behavior.

[0:49:55] Voice 12: If this was my workplace,

[0:49:58] Voice 12: I would be talking with the Human Resources Department

[0:50:00] Voice 12: to file an harassment complaint.

[0:50:03] Voice 12: This poisonous, disheartening behavior

[0:50:06] Voice 12: is the antithesis of a respectful workplace,

[0:50:10] Voice 12: let alone a respectful community.

[0:50:13] Voice 12: I reiterate what I mentioned earlier.

[0:50:16] Voice 12: This rezoning will set a precedent

[0:50:19] Voice 12: for thoughtful site-specific rezoning applications to come.

[0:50:23] Voice 12: Ensuring a sensitive ecosystem of Galliano

[0:50:26] Voice 12: will be protected in perpetuity.

[0:50:29] Voice 12: Mr.

[0:50:57] Voice 7: Mayor, I'll decide.

[0:50:58] Voice 9: This is a very challenging item.

[0:51:00] Voice 9: And frankly, it's not because there are lots of very intelligent and very well thought out opinions on both sides or many sides of a lot of things that we deal with.

[0:51:18] Voice 10: and um but

[0:51:21] Voice 9: i i hear you however it's it's it's challenging to where that line is between

[0:51:28] Voice 9: uh commentary and uh and allowing people to have this day i but i do hear and i will continue to

[0:51:39] Voice 9: try and make efforts to make this a safe place not only for us but for everybody in this but

[0:51:45] Voice 9: but that's why I don't like people talking about

[0:51:47] Voice 9: what other people are doing

[0:51:49] Voice 9: because that's effectively the same thing.

[0:51:53] Voice 9: It's just on the other side, it's shoes on the other foot.

[0:51:57] Voice 9: I appreciate your language was very respectful, so thank you.

[0:52:02] Voice 9: I saw a hand over here, yes sir.

[0:52:09] Voice 8: Chair, trustees and community members,

[0:52:12] Voice 9: can you

[0:52:12] Voice 8: please leave your mask on?

[0:52:13] Voice 8: Oh, that's okay, I carried it myself.

[0:52:21] Voice 10: Chair,

[0:52:22] Voice 8: trustees and community members, I'm Brad Smith.

[0:52:24] Voice 8: I'm Ted Weir. I live here. I've been coming to the Allianz since 1998, and I've owned property. I live overlooking the Beaver Pond and the Via Drive working frequency.

[0:52:36] Voice 8: I'm here to support the Crystal Mountain Society proposal to the LTC. The proposal seeks approval for a quiet, non-invasive, low-impact, small-capacity retreat facility for study and meditation practice.

[0:52:48] Voice 8: Our focus for this program is to assist and support those interested to develop their

[0:52:55] Voice 8: direct understanding of the mind, which through practice results in a less fragmented and

[0:52:59] Voice 8: stressed consciousness, having a natural result of desire and peace.

[0:53:05] Voice 8: Assuring bombastic and aggressive behavior, we are demonstrating our community care through

[0:53:09] Voice 8: our actions, as can be seen in this proposal.

[0:53:12] Voice 8: I am here to add my voice and point to the benefits for our local community that the

[0:53:17] Voice 8: the inclusion of Lot 9 brings to the community.

[0:53:20] Voice 8: First, let me say that from my perspective,

[0:53:22] Voice 8: the offering of Lot 9 was a gift,

[0:53:25] Voice 8: a mission as it were, to not only our local human community,

[0:53:28] Voice 8: but also the community of all life in the area.

[0:53:31] Voice 8: Further related note, I recently spoke with a long-time real estate agent,

[0:53:35] Voice 8: told me that the 10 acre lot like Lot 9 can finally be sold for a half a million dollars.

[0:53:42] Voice 8: Uncertain. Noting that Lot 9 is a well-known .

[0:53:46] Voice 8: The inherent ecological risks that are present in the zoning for both Lot A and Lot 9 have transformed the community values proposed, especially the unique opportunity of offering up Lot 9 within the proposal frame.

[0:53:59] Voice 8: Presently, Lot 9 is residentially zoned. Stratton is a recognized ecological zone and could, through exercise of its residential rights, damage a unique ecological continuum.

[0:54:10] Voice 8: The current residential rights include raising buildings to 25% of lots of two and a half acres of buildings, a house, guest cottage, home-based business, and gardens, septic, deforestation, et cetera, and you can see the impact.

[0:54:25] Voice 8: However, the CMS proposal would rezone that property to nature protection, removing it from the real estate market, and securing forever its relief from human incursion and impact.

[0:54:34] Voice 8: The proposal with law that I included has combined attributes that include 90% forest coverage, which is much higher than any other to date.

[0:54:43] Voice 8: Its transformation from F1 zoning, including lot 9, means no more logging.

[0:54:49] Voice 8: Also, the building infrastructure coverage in this proposal is less than 2%.

[0:54:54] Quite striking when you do that for 25%.

[0:54:59] In closing, I have seen and heard a lot of this information,

[0:55:05] Voice 8: perhaps well intended.

[0:55:06] Voice 8: It greatly saddens me to hear such vitriol about such a quiet activity that values peace and the welfare of others.

[0:55:14] Voice 8: Contrast that with the quality and openness of this project, which is focused on providing low-impact access to those who find themselves interested in spiritual pursuits.

[0:55:24] Voice 8: with honesty and communication, I know there will be a happy result. Thank you.

[0:55:36] Voice 9: Okay, anyone else before we move on? Okay, keep it short. I'm going to go back here, sir.

[0:55:47] Voice 9: I'll come to you, and I

[0:55:48] Voice 10: guess Jennifer will be there.

[0:55:50] Voice 4: Thank you. I'm in favor of the Crystal Mountain application.

[0:55:58] Voice 4: I feel an applicant has listened to the community and has made many adjustments to meet the request.

[0:56:03] Voice 4: One of the main opposition points is that the application does not fit the OCP in the preserve and protect mandate of the other structure.

[0:56:14] Voice 4: This seems to be an opinion, and different people have opposing ideas on this point.

[0:56:20] Voice 4: In my mind, this application goes further than the OCP requirements.

[0:56:48] Voice 9: I

[0:56:49] Voice 23: think this is appropriate.

[0:56:54] Voice 23: I heard Keogh say something.

[0:56:58] Voice 23: i'm referring to the word sustainability and i believe he connected to it to economic he did and

[0:57:05] Voice 9: that's his opinion and that's fine yeah

[0:57:07] Voice 23: i would just like the folks in the room to understand

[0:57:10] Voice 23: that our reference to sustainability has to do with the environment i

[0:57:15] Voice 9: wish that i would understand

[0:57:16] Voice 9: that in europe and then yes i'm actually i'm sorry i'm i've known stephen for 20 years in vancouver

[0:57:23] Voice 9: But if I seem familiar, because this is a different context for me.

[0:57:30] Voice 3: It's not how it sounds.

[0:57:31] Voice 3: No, it's

[0:57:32] Voice 3: not how it sounds.

[0:57:37] Voice 3: It's all right, I can't stand it.

[0:57:39] Voice 3: You don't need to stand.

[0:57:41] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:57:43] Voice 3: Dear local trust members, planners, and support staff.

[0:57:47] Voice 3: My name is Stephen Foster, and I currently live in North Vancouver.

[0:57:52] Voice 3: I am a former owner of a home on Gowdy Island,

[0:57:55] Voice 3: on River Island, on Melissa Road.

[0:57:57] Voice 3: I am choosing to attend this LCC meeting and write this note to you as a way to thank you

[0:58:05] Voice 3: for your courage and wisdom in moving the Crystal Mountain Rezoning proposal ahead to

[0:58:10] Voice 3: first reading.

[0:58:12] Voice 3: I am a supporter of the Crystal Mountain proposal and am standing here to encourage you to continue

[0:58:18] Voice 3: moving forward to final approval of this rezoning.

[0:58:23] Voice 3: As someone who has travelled the world for years in the 70s and 80s, studying Buddhist

[0:58:28] Voice 3: of teaching and practicing meditation.

[0:58:31] Voice 3: I was part of a small group of friends

[0:58:33] Voice 3: who first came to Galliano with a vision

[0:58:36] Voice 3: to create a home for a meditation,

[0:58:37] Voice 3: mindfulness, teaching retreat center

[0:58:39] Voice 3: and to find a suitable place to practice

[0:58:43] Voice 3: the skills that we were then learning

[0:58:44] Voice 3: in a natural, quiet, forested environment.

[0:58:49] Voice 3: To that end, we created a not-for-profit society

[0:58:52] Voice 3: and in 1980 purchased two 10-acre lots

[0:58:56] Voice 3: on Galliano, zoned rural residential located at the end of Davina Drive.

[0:59:03] Voice 3: From that moment forward, we have faced the ongoing challenge of finding any suitable rezoning path that would accomplish our ends.

[0:59:14] Voice 3: Along the way, we were deeply inspired by the successful models that already existed within the Gulf Islands.

[0:59:22] Voice 3: I'm referring to the Cato-Tibetan Center on Natuam on Salt Spring Island, and the Hermitage

[0:59:28] Voice 3: Center on Denman Island.

[0:59:32] Voice 3: Witnessing the quickness of our proposal move forward to first reading also takes me back

[0:59:38] Voice 3: to an earlier time when I sat on the rezoning committee and attended a meeting with a room

[0:59:44] Voice 3: full of planners at the trust office in Victoria in the spring of 2004, close to 18 years ago,

[0:59:51] Voice 3: where we were strongly encouraged to apply for rezoning and engage the trust.

[1:00:00] Voice 3: expressed that our hesitation was based on our difficulty

[1:00:02] Voice 3: in seeing a path forward given the volatility

[1:00:05] Voice 3: in the Galliano community.

[1:00:08] Voice 3: We were told many things.

[1:00:11] Voice 3: One assurance I vividly remember is a planner telling us

[1:00:15] Voice 3: that the rezoning process should only take six months.

[1:00:20] Voice 3: We applied to rezone a couple of months later.

[1:00:25] Voice 3: Given the many years and huge amount of time

[1:00:27] Voice 3: this process has subsequently taken,

[1:00:29] Voice 3: It is why I feel so thankful to the current LCC members for moving our proposal to first reading.

[1:00:39] Voice 3: So thank you. I assure you that our passion and enthusiasm for creating a Forest Retreat Center in the natural world of North Galliano

[1:00:53] Voice 3: in the natural world of North Galliano remains as strong as it did when we started over 40 years ago.

[1:01:05] Voice 3: and the Galliano OCP are strongly aligned on forest and ecosystem protection.

[1:01:16] Voice 3: I'd also like to affirm my continued admiration for the members of the Crystal Mountain Rezoning

[1:01:21] Voice 3: Committee.

[1:01:23] Voice 3: Despite ongoing harsh critical attacks from some in the community, the integrity of the

[1:01:28] Voice 3: CM Crystal Mountain representatives has not wavered.

[1:01:35] Voice 3: They have given so much time to engaging and listening to concerns from community members

[1:01:40] Voice 3: members, and to sourcing extensive research data and good science to properly address

[1:01:46] Voice 3: core concerns as expressed through the OCP.

[1:01:49] Voice 3: The way a few in the community continue to slander and misrepresent the work of these

[1:01:58] Voice 3: rezoning committee members can at times be amazingly disparate.

[1:02:05] Voice 3: Fortunately, they continue to show their patience and resiliency.

[1:02:09] Voice 3: agency we are proud that the proposal now offers nine percent forest and sensitive ecosystem

[1:02:15] Voice 3: protection on our land as well as meaningful benefits to the community such as an emergency

[1:02:22] Voice 3: road access for north embers again thank you for your attention to this application and for your

[1:02:29] Voice 3: support may we move onward to fourth reading

[1:02:33] Voice 22: and

[1:02:34] Voice 3: to final approval okay thank you cms

[1:02:42] Voice 9: thank you appreciate all the commentary you can imagine that how easy it is to slip into

[1:02:54] Voice 9: criticism of others

[1:02:55] Voice 22: and

[1:02:56] Voice 9: i appreciate that the commentary will uh i can only say speaking for

[1:03:01] Voice 9: myself and knowing the trustees we we just filter all of that um unless it's relevant information

[1:03:08] Voice 9: about the actual application that's going on so we encourage everyone to continue to use

[1:03:16] Voice 9: appropriate language to talk about the issues and not the people because frankly it's it doesn't

[1:03:22] Voice 9: i keep trying to tell people it doesn't get you anywhere so if you're interested in persuading

[1:03:28] Voice 9: us of a particular point of view to characterize somebody else's actions in the absence of

[1:03:34] Voice 9: of some sort of some definitive evidence of malfeasance it gets you nowhere um so anyway

[1:03:41] Voice 9: just that's just my personal reaction and i think i speak for us okay let's move on does anybody

[1:03:47] Voice 9: wish to speak on the antenna issue that's on our agenda for a little bit later and yes there's a

[1:03:53] Voice 9: ladder over to you we do have your letter go ahead hi

[1:04:00] Voice 12: um i have several questions and what

[1:04:04] Voice 12: are your comments to me on this letter to the trust regarding the fact that he has

[1:04:12] Voice 12: considered that he does not need to have any uh public consultation on his placement

[1:04:19] Voice 12: on large displacement of new equipment on the tower that CREST now has rebuilt and uses.

[1:04:29] Voice 12: CREST is the Capital Regional District Emergency Programme.

[1:04:35] Voice 12: Yes, T-O-V-E.

[1:04:37] Voice 12: And as such, they had no need or responsibility to consult with the community

[1:04:45] Voice 12: because this was a public event, I guess.

[1:04:47] Voice 12: Yes, anyway, they're extremely difficult to correspond with.

[1:04:53] Voice 12: It's very difficult to find out

[1:04:54] Voice 12: who in the heck you can talk to there.

[1:04:57] Voice 12: So therefore, I feel that Mr. Sabita is wrong

[1:05:01] Voice 12: in thinking that we can just put equipment on that tower

[1:05:06] Voice 12: without any public consultations.

[1:05:09] Voice 12: So that's my statement.

[1:05:12] Voice 12: I have a few questions for myself.

[1:05:14] Voice 12: So who will this new installment help?

[1:05:21] Voice 12: In the previous application in 2015,

[1:05:24] Voice 12: it was indicated that it was basically

[1:05:28] Voice 12: for a 10-minute passage of various past,

[1:05:32] Voice 12: and that really the people of North Indiana

[1:05:34] Voice 12: who are underserved by this type of communication

[1:05:40] Voice 12: uh don't wouldn't get any benefit from it um so who does this serve um i have a um

[1:05:49] Voice 12: i don't have a question but a few questions from joe robertson of morning road we

[1:05:55] Voice 9: have her letter

[1:05:56] Voice 9: too okay so

[1:05:57] Voice 12: i'll just i'll just

[1:05:58] Voice 12: ask the questions a little bit and they're short on what basis is

[1:06:02] Voice 12: this project exempt and who or what initiated this proposal addition i don't expect answers right now

[1:06:17] Voice 12: and what are the projected strengths of the resulting radio frequency emission levels

[1:06:23] Voice 12: for these additions including the cumulative effects of multiple telecommunication systems

[1:06:29] Voice 12: at this location in the criminal park on the main island and the final thing i would like to bring

[1:06:36] Voice 12: up and i don't know that there's any relevance at all but the property under question is under

[1:06:43] Voice 12: a bylaw infraction lawsuit against it by the island's trust would this and plus covenant

[1:06:50] Voice 12: violations of the CRD and MOTI. Would this fall under any kind of

[1:07:00] Voice 12: of that, because of that.

[1:07:04] Voice 12: That's pretty much what I've got to say. Thank you very much.

[1:07:10] Voice 22: Yes, sir.

[1:07:15] Voice 4: Surprisingly, I agree with you.

[1:07:20] Voice 4: back in 2017 2018 this problem came up and the local section informed the committee to discuss

[1:07:30] Voice 4: and come up with a set of guidelines to inform the government on a protocol that

[1:07:35] Voice 4: galilean people would agree to live with one of the main issues was that the public be informed

[1:07:45] Voice 4: it was hoped at that time that Galliano could hold a cell tower company to a thousand meter

[1:07:53] Voice 4: of distance from any property in Galliano so if it's a it is a cell tower that got out there

[1:08:02] Voice 4: it should be one thousand meters from any property not the 250 meters from my property

[1:08:11] Voice 9: Thank you, and I trust you all. We haven't talked about this as a local trust committee yet, so we're

[1:08:19] Voice 9: going to do that later in the meeting.

[1:08:23] Voice 9: Steven

[1:08:23] Voice 8: Ryback, 289 Linkletter. I've sent the trustees a letter expressing my dismay at Rogers Cavalier's attitude towards the community as a whole.

[1:08:40] Voice 8: even if rogers uh has even if rogers thinks that it is exempt from following any community

[1:08:54] Voice 9: information and consultation protocols i think that they

[1:09:01] Voice 8: are sadly deluding themselves

[1:09:04] Voice 8: i would suggest that the local trust committee remind rogers that there is a protocol in place

[1:09:11] Voice 8: that requires any proponent, even a proponent of exempt equipment, to inform and consult with the community in

[1:09:22] Voice 7: seeking the local trust committee's either concurrence with or non-concurrence with their particular proposal.

[1:09:30] It might well do to remind Rogers of

[1:09:34] Voice 8: their abject failure in

[1:09:38] Voice 7: 2015 from following through

[1:09:41] Voice 7: on timely and effective communication and consultation with the community.

[1:09:47] Voice 7: The trust committee at that time declined to support the proposal and with a letter

[1:09:55] of non-concurrent rogers

[1:09:59] Voice 8: efforts ignominiously died

[1:10:01] Voice 9: thank you anybody else on this issue

[1:10:11] Voice 9: okay any other issue that's not related to either of the affordable housing projects yes

[1:10:19] Voice 12: it's just a general statement about affordable housing

[1:10:22] Voice 11: so it's not related to any specific

[1:10:23] Voice 11: it would be so um just came to my attention as possible additional tool to be a portal housing

[1:10:31] Voice 11: toolkit and i just mentioned this um it was

[1:10:35] Voice 12: in a november 15 2021 online issue of outside magazine

[1:10:40] Voice 12: and it's a very interesting article how to save a seat down and i'm sure people could google it

[1:10:45] Voice 12: in this

[1:10:46] Voice 11: article a housing solution called deed restrictions was described as long having been

[1:10:51] Voice 11: been used as a tool to preserve affordable housing

[1:10:54] Voice 11: by attaching certain requirements

[1:10:56] Voice 11: to the sale or use of a home.

[1:10:58] Voice 11: What apparently makes deed restrictions,

[1:11:01] Voice 11: or Indeed, as it is called in the article, different,

[1:11:04] Voice 11: is its simplicity.

[1:11:06] Voice 11: While other deed restrictions may dictate

[1:11:08] Voice 11: a home's resale value or an occupant's income level,

[1:11:12] Voice 11: Indeed simply requires that the home is lived in

[1:11:14] Voice 11: by at least one person, the homeowner or renter,

[1:11:18] Voice 11: who works in a designated area.

[1:11:20] Voice 11: area. In our case, it would be on the island. While it doesn't limit the eventual sale price,

[1:11:25] Voice 11: it does limit the market of potential buyers, thus time the price more closely to local

[1:11:32] Voice 11: wages. This particular housing solution is

[1:11:35] Voice 12: described as being in place in Vail, Colorado.

[1:11:38] Voice 12: For the right to change the covenants of a deed, Vail pays the homeowner 15 to 20% of

[1:11:45] Voice 12: the home's market value on

[1:11:47] Voice 11: average about 69 000 according to this article the owner can collect

[1:11:52] Voice 11: the payout today without selling their house when they do eventually sell their deed restricts

[1:11:59] Voice 11: eligible buyers to residents who are employed by a local business the house is thus returned

[1:12:05] Voice 11: to the local market immediately and permanently the deep restriction follows the home into

[1:12:11] Voice 11: perpetuity and the town apparently pays nothing more to maintain or administer it i'm wondering

[1:12:19] Voice 11: if this has ever been investigated in dc as a way of constraining the ever escalating price of homes

[1:12:25] Voice 11: with every sale putting them further and further out of the reach of those who would like to buy

[1:12:32] Voice 11: well i recognize that regulations here regarding land titles and real estate may be very different

[1:12:37] Voice 11: than dale colorado perhaps this would be a worthy consideration of the work consideration

[1:12:45] Voice 11: that's another tool in the affordable housing toolbox just as the speculation and vacancy

[1:12:51] Voice 11: home tax has been used in certain locations and probably should be extended to the compliance

[1:13:05] Voice 10: I don't know if anybody else

[1:13:24] Voice 9: on an issue other than uh one of the affordable housing projects

[1:13:29] Voice 9: and if not I'll ask um perhaps we'll start between Tigger and well first of all does anybody have

[1:13:34] Voice 9: any commentary they wish to make about the galley application okay I'm not seeing anyone maybe

[1:13:44] Voice 9: there's nobody wants to speak does anybody wish to speak on the Giggers application

[1:13:50] Voice 9: I

[1:14:00] Voice 20: am here to present to the LPC a compromise to the GIGGARs' words about the effort.

[1:14:11] Voice 20: GIGGARs, until now, have not negotiated with the residents of Galeano, who have expressed

[1:14:19] Voice 20: serious concern about this project.

[1:14:22] Voice 20: There has not been a changement, no changes.

[1:14:25] Voice 20: Well, I would like to sit and negotiate with figures, and I would like this SDC to consider

[1:14:35] Voice 20: my suggestions.

[1:14:38] Voice 20: There are three points that I would like to present for the negotiations.

[1:14:44] Voice 20: One, to reduce the number of units to six.

[1:14:50] Voice 20: This will be consistent with the options of the Trust, Policy Directives, and Galliano

[1:14:57] Voice 20: OCC.

[1:14:57] Voice 20: The footprint will be reduced by half, the same the groundwater use and the waste.

[1:15:07] Voice 20: The daily flow of sewage from the current site will be, according to the water report, up to 4,536,000 litres per year.

[1:15:19] Voice 20: The dispersal septic field, the current one, will have a length of one and a half city blocks,

[1:15:29] Voice 20: 168 meters long, with less cars, less greenhouse gases emissions. The benefit for the tenants

[1:15:40] Voice 20: will be more space and water from their rainwater catchment tank to produce food. Second,

[1:15:49] Voice 20: to change the location closer to the entrance to the community forest.

[1:15:55] Voice 20: The NTC has a May 27, 2021 letter from Brian Russell, resident of Galliano Way,

[1:16:07] Voice 20: where he mentioned a site higher up bordered by mystical trails and the eastern lower portion of wildfire troop trails,

[1:16:17] Voice 20: where there is a level area that can be accommodated in the project.

[1:16:24] Voice 20: The well will stay where it is and be pumped into a reservoir higher up in the forest

[1:16:31] Voice 20: for a gravity feed of the water to dig up holes.

[1:16:36] Voice 20: The location is in keeping with the already existing homes on Shorshire View SWS.

[1:16:42] Voice 20: south. Mr. Contrail is a public road dedication. The benefit for the tenants will be that they

[1:16:52] Voice 20: will show much more sun than the current site, again making a better place to produce food.

[1:17:00] Voice 20: The tree with the eagle nest mentioned by Mr. Erickson in his report have already fallen. There

[1:17:06] Voice 20: is no more evilness. I would like for GIGAR to consider that even though they may assume the

[1:17:19] Voice 20: resumption will be approved, it's not this LTC who will provide the funding for the project.

[1:17:27] Voice 20: To have the support from the neighbors in the area close to the project will be a very positive

[1:17:35] Voice 20: point for the funding agencies. For the record, I would like to pray that my name is Karmita,

[1:17:45] Voice 20: that I am a real person, and not the abstract, insulting categorization, Mimby, mentioned

[1:17:54] Voice 20: by the President of IGAR in her active page article. Thank you.

[1:18:04] Voice 9: thanks for me um you might want to i mean that may become part of our public record provided to us but

[1:18:12] Voice 9: if you want to negotiate with the with diggers you might want to send it to them

[1:18:26] Voice 21: and

[1:18:27] Voice 9: i think there was one other hand over here jennifer with marcus and did you want to speak to

[1:18:32] Voice 11: good afternoon again my comments to you today are based on what i read in articles in the

[1:18:40] Voice 11: december athlete page by lisa gabriel president of gingers and representing

[1:18:45] Voice 11: and

[1:18:46] Voice 12: by our two elected trustees ms gabriel states in regard to opposition from the community

[1:18:52] Voice 12: listen be

[1:18:54] Voice 11: adaptable negotiate but the most helpful viewpoint on dealing with nimby

[1:19:00] Voice 11: be is to stop listening you will never make them happy save your time for justifiable concerns

[1:19:08] Voice 11: i found this an interesting statement as our neighborhood has never been listened to

[1:19:14] Voice 11: much less negotiated with

[1:19:15] Voice 12: by figures in the beginning we only had questions as anybody would

[1:19:21] Voice 12: so

[1:19:21] Voice 9: so if i could just interrupt you why are you telling us about comments made by the applicant

[1:19:26] Voice 9: As opposed to, as I said before, we're not here to talk to you have something to say or that can make you say it directly.

[1:19:38] I can do that. I have another point, though.

[1:19:42] Voice 12: but it pertains very much to the some of the things that nancy also saying about how and

[1:19:52] Voice 12: crime also referred to the characterization of those of us who have some very legitimate

[1:19:58] Voice 12: questions and concerns that we would like to have supported by the ltc

[1:20:03] Voice 21: but

[1:20:04] Voice 12: are really being

[1:20:05] Voice 12: is for in the general community and the term community is the most common one right now but

[1:20:13] Voice 12: it's not the only one right and and

[1:20:15] Voice 9: as i i think i've explained to you privately and also publicly

[1:20:18] Voice 9: at this meeting i can't do anything about what happens

[1:20:21] Voice 9: on facebook i can't do anything about

[1:20:23] Voice 9: happens when you walk into the market i can't help you what happens in other meetings beyond

[1:20:28] Voice 9: on this one and we're here and and i and i try and keep the discourse civil and i appreciate

[1:20:35] that this

[1:20:35] Voice 9: island often is very opinionated just i mean that's the polite way of putting it right

[1:20:42] Voice 9: people have very strong opinions and believe things very strongly and and it's one of the

[1:20:48] Voice 9: joys of galliano but it's one of the real challenges of it but i i i have tried for

[1:20:54] Voice 9: three years to stay out of the discourse outside of the local trust committee process mostly because

[1:21:01] Voice 9: i don't want to know i want to know what's pertinent for us to deal with so and i know

[1:21:07] Voice 9: we drift into it a fair amount and i understand the first your frustration and some of your

[1:21:12] Voice 9: frustration and i also understand frustration from the applicant at times so well maybe i'll

[1:21:17] Voice 12: just finished and i was saying that um we have always and would still welcome consultation

[1:21:23] Voice 12: and if there's anything else we see is able to do to assist us with that we would be very pleased

[1:21:32] Voice 12: to consider that yeah and i

[1:21:35] Voice 9: appreciate that and i and i consider that it's not really a role it's

[1:21:40] Voice 9: not really as a mediator although at times it feels like we should take um because that might

[1:21:46] Voice 9: serve a function I think we can encourage people to talk and there can

[1:21:51] Voice 9: be scenarios where people do chat talk with each other and find solutions that

[1:21:56] Voice 9: work with the community but those don't always work too but that's our role is to take

[1:22:03] Voice 9: sometimes we get people get confused that we're the applicant for an

[1:22:06] Voice 9: application or we're driving and we do drive some applications you'll see one

[1:22:12] Voice 9: on our agenda later today where we may drive a particular rezoning we didn't we haven't decided

[1:22:17] Voice 9: so i don't want to speak for the whole trust committee we may drive that change but um most

[1:22:24] Voice 9: of the time we're responding to it and then reflecting what we hear and reflecting ourselves

[1:22:29] Voice 9: so thank you i appreciate it i'm sorry uh you know i wish it wasn't so yes one last comment

[1:22:37] Voice 12: I just want to speak in favor of the galley.

[1:22:41] Voice 9: Can

[1:22:41] Voice 12: I do that?

[1:22:42] Voice 12: No, you have to.

[1:22:44] Voice 9: I have to exchange.

[1:22:45] Voice 9: That's why I asked a little earlier.

[1:22:47] Voice 9: Because I have to exchange Trustee Rockefeller.

[1:22:50] Voice 9: Oh, I'm sorry.

[1:22:51] Voice 9: We're going to have to.

[1:22:52] Voice 19: Well, I'll just say I support affordable housing.

[1:22:55] Voice 9: Great.

[1:22:56] Voice 9: Anything else on Giggers

[1:22:58] Voice 9: before we move into our agenda to do our meeting today?

[1:23:04] Voice 9: Maybe we'll get a chance.

[1:23:05] Voice 9: thank you very much for your commentary um it's uh yeah

[1:23:16] Voice 19: trustee rogers it's calling dodie on the

[1:23:21] Voice 19: phone oh i'm sorry i

[1:23:23] Voice 9: didn't see your hand up i'm sorry i'm not paying attention there because

[1:23:27] Voice 9: i assumed you were here simply to talk about this during the presentation we don't we we haven't

[1:23:33] Voice 9: offered other people the opportunity to speak in town hall on the on zoom because they don't have

[1:23:39] Voice 9: have access to it they're just watching the broadcast so i i haven't been watching that so

[1:23:43] Voice 9: is that acceptable i i assume you were here to speak with um her name is

[1:23:51] Voice 19: eleni gibson yes i wanted to speak to the galley application as well as just make a comment that

[1:23:58] Voice 19: came up with respect to giggers yeah

[1:24:01] Voice 9: but i'm sorry colleen um because we're not letting other folks

[1:24:06] Voice 9: uh communicating and then challenge all on those zoom meetings i i don't think i can really make

[1:24:12] Voice 9: an exception for you i

[1:24:14] Voice 12: apologize and

[1:24:15] Voice 9: i i

[1:24:16] Voice 9: would like to see us i've been getting some emails from

[1:24:19] Voice 9: some folks that want that to happen and i think i would like to get to that process but there

[1:24:24] Voice 9: are other people that want to speak uh that have asked me to and they don't have access to this

[1:24:29] Voice 9: okay so i understand you're going to be part of the presentation on giggers a little bit later on

[1:24:35] Voice 9: on the presentation so thank you um so we're done downtown hall we're going to move into music

[1:24:44] Voice 9: uh there's no cim there's no public hearing we've got the uh to go to the actual application itself

[1:24:54] Voice 9: um the uh sorry i need to find my package there's a there's minutes page 3 to 11.

[1:25:03] Voice 9: Are there any commentary or corrections

[1:25:07] Voice 9: to the minutes prior to the fees?

[1:25:08] Voice 9: Thank you, as always, Carly.

[1:25:11] Voice 9: There's no resolution without meeting.

[1:25:13] Voice 9: There's no advisory clients

[1:25:15] Voice 9: to write the follow-up action list,

[1:25:16] Voice 9: which is on page 12 of the agenda.

[1:25:21] Voice 9: So yeah, Brad, is there anything you want to slide

[1:25:28] Voice 9: from the follow

[1:25:29] Voice 17: -up action list?

[1:25:30] Voice 17: Most items are done.

[1:25:32] Voice 17: The fees by-law piece is still coming

[1:25:34] Voice 17: and that was the one agenda item

[1:25:35] Voice 17: that we were talking about last week.

[1:25:37] Voice 17: You wanted some clarification

[1:25:39] Voice 9: from us about something.

[1:25:40] Voice 16: You can add that near the end, perhaps.

[1:25:44] Voice 6: You're happy to deal with it at the end?

[1:25:47] Voice 16: We could deal with it, sure,

[1:25:50] Voice 16: or we can deal with it now if you want.

[1:25:52] Voice 9: Why don't we deal with it now

[1:25:53] Voice 9: because it's on the follow-up action list

[1:25:54] Voice 9: and it's from September, I believe.

[1:25:58] Voice 9: It was

[1:25:59] Voice 17: from October.

[1:26:01] Voice 17: October. So what I sent LTC an email summarizing the clarification that's required. So in your

[1:26:10] Voice 17: discussion around fees, there were two clauses around the reduction of 20%. To be clear to LTC,

[1:26:17] Voice 17: that clause would require LTC to set that reduction now and establish it in bylaw and

[1:26:23] Voice 17: not give them flexibility over time to adjust fees up to 20% when they feel. So I think that

[1:26:29] Voice 17: that was maybe maybe a misunderstanding or it's not clear what if you're planning to actually

[1:26:35] Voice 17: reduce some 20 percent and if you are then we need to signal that so that we can amend the bylaw

[1:26:40] Voice 17: second part around community benefits your ocp doesn't actually define specifically

[1:26:46] Voice 17: what a community benefit is so rpm kajima's advice was to leave that out or you would be

[1:26:55] Voice 17: He faced each time trying to define what a community benefit is in the absence of OCP provisions.

[1:27:02] Voice 17: So he also, well, we both discussed, we want to reduce your fees by 20%.

[1:27:07] Voice 17: There are provisions in that policy, how you need to rationalize why you would be doing that.

[1:27:13] Voice 17: Hard to imagine a reason why Eliana would be different than Fender, for example, say with a variant or something like that.

[1:27:23] Voice 17: So keep those things in mind.

[1:27:25] Voice 17: and I'll leave it there, thanks.

[1:27:26] Voice 6: But we need to give you some direction I guess.

[1:27:29] Voice 17: I need those two questions answered.

[1:27:32] Voice 17: Does LTC intend to reduce their fees by any amount

[1:27:36] Voice 17: or were you thinking in your last conversation

[1:27:39] Voice 17: that you had the flexibility to do so in the bylaw

[1:27:42] Voice 17: when it's drafted?

[1:27:43] Voice 17: That's the one question.

[1:27:44] Voice 17: The other question with some recommendation

[1:27:47] Voice 17: is around the community benefit clause

[1:27:49] Voice 17: and staff just recommend you leave that

[1:27:52] Voice 17: as it's proposed in the bylaw.

[1:27:55] Voice 9: trustee i'll be honest with you i don't actually recall the conversation uh very well but you

[1:28:00] Voice 9: probably both knew as to what the recommendation or the request from staff was trusted rockwell

[1:28:05] Voice 9: um

[1:28:05] Voice 12: no i just recall that in the staff report there was the five and six just mentioned those

[1:28:11] Voice 12: uh possibilities it would not my intention to reduce the bylaw fees or the application fees

[1:28:18] Voice 12: by 20 percent did

[1:28:21] Voice 9: you hear that so then

[1:28:23] Voice 17: i'm going to go forward to rpm kajima with model fee bylaws

[1:28:28] Voice 17: as presented at the last meeting and that will come that's

[1:28:34] Voice 14: what i thought we were we were just

[1:28:35] Voice 14: kind of being over clear perhaps because we were going with the recommendation so

[1:28:40] Voice 17: to be clear the

[1:28:41] Voice 17: recommendations are a little bit uh or the the wording in the in that report is a little bit

[1:28:49] Voice 17: confusing in that you can't have that clause in the fee bylaw that is saying you need to decide

[1:28:57] Voice 17: if you want to reduce your fees by anywhere up to 20 if you do you need to decide that now

[1:29:03] Voice 17: and the fee bylaw will reduce the fee for every variance by whatever you decide not that in the

[1:29:11] Voice 17: future when a variance comes up you can point to this clause and say we're going to give them a

[1:29:15] Voice 17: discount because of this reason right

[1:29:18] Voice 14: so

[1:29:20] Voice 9: my understanding from both of you is that your

[1:29:22] Voice 9: intention was to keep the fees by law as it was without the reduction and relying upon the fact

[1:29:29] Voice 9: that we have a practice we have a policy to sponsor applications that are our community

[1:29:36] Voice 9: interest

[1:29:36] Voice 10: applications

[1:29:37] Voice 9: through the executive and we've done that actually a couple times on

[1:29:42] Voice 9: galliano i believe yeah

[1:29:44] Voice 12: the septic system so

[1:29:47] Voice 9: you get so three and yeah so it comes in a variety of

[1:29:51] Voice 9: four of places where where that connector okay so that's your intention yes so is that clear

[1:29:56] Voice 9: i think their intention is to keep the piece by law exactly the way that we dropped it

[1:30:00] Voice 9: without any kind of reduction okay thank you okay thanks a lot anything else from the follow-up

[1:30:07] Voice 9: action list from either of the trustees for the plan okay so then we'll go to

[1:30:15] Voice 9: uh we're not going to take a meeting break right now uh we're going to go do applications and the

[1:30:21] Voice 9: first application up is actually from the plant is going to be presented to us at the page 16 and

[1:30:27] Voice 9: for cathode coal applications for development variants that's quite a testimonial who's going to

[1:30:34] Voice 9: present to us thank

[1:30:38] Planner: you chair rogers uh can you hear me okay i can hear you fine okay okay thanks

[1:30:44] Planner: so uh dvp 2021.10 which is gather call which is for 555 ganner drive and the application is to

[1:30:51] Planner: consider a development variance permit and these are citing variances for proposed structure which

[1:30:57] Planner: which is a septic disposal field and a return, sorry, retaining berm.

[1:31:02] Planner: So the rationale is that granting the variance would permit the siting of a replacement septic disposal field

[1:31:09] Planner: that is consistent with an island health permit filed for the subject property

[1:31:14] Planner: and minimize potential health and environmental impacts of the septic field on a difficult and constrained site.

[1:31:24] Planner: the application as I said is for a replacement septic disposal field and it would specifically

[1:31:30] Planner: vary the front lot line and interior side lot lines in the southwest corner of the property

[1:31:38] Planner: so the owners purchased the property in the fall of 2020 and at the time they were informed that

[1:31:44] Planner: the existing septic field was sited fully on the property however investigation revealed that it

[1:31:51] Planner: was mostly located on the road right away uh the gander road right away uh below the the proposed

[1:31:57] Planner: location uh that we have now and also that the an inspection report uh indicated that the field

[1:32:04] Planner: needed to be replaced within two years uh the design and sighting of the septic system was

[1:32:11] Planner: undertaken by craig regier a professional engineer who i believe is either available

[1:32:17] Planner: by zoom or by phone if we have technical questions on this application it's type 2 treatment system

[1:32:26] Planner: which is a partial treatment prior to disposal field and in addition to the report that was

[1:32:34] Planner: filed with island health the engineer did provide a written response to some specific questions and

[1:32:40] Planner: concerns that were received from the neighbor to the west and that would be the neighbor that

[1:32:44] Planner: that would be most impacted by the proposed location.

[1:32:47] Planner: So in summary, the topography, soil conditions,

[1:32:51] Planner: particularly significant areas of fill on the property

[1:32:54] Planner: and well locations severely limit location

[1:32:57] Planner: and design of the field on the property.

[1:33:00] Planner: And additionally, these factors limit the ability

[1:33:04] Planner: to build a more linear field as we saw

[1:33:07] Planner: with a more recent application at 1665 Sturdy's Bay Road,

[1:33:12] Planner: which was Ingram. The letter that or in response that was attached also clarifies that the size

[1:33:21] Planner: of the earthen berm will be minimized to the extent possible and it may even be unnecessary

[1:33:26] Planner: if soil conditions are favorable when they undertake on the ground construction. So overall

[1:33:34] Planner: the siting and design follows ministry of health regulations and standards and minimizes health

[1:33:39] Planner: risks to both the subject and the neighboring properties so dvp notices were circulated to

[1:33:45] Planner: all surrounding properties within 100 meters and as i indicated we did receive one email

[1:33:51] Planner: and as i said the engineers responded to that and a verbal conversation with that neighbor

[1:33:59] Planner: after that was received or forwarded to her indicates that she has no further concerns

[1:34:04] Planner: So staff's recommendation is that the DVP be issued and the rationale being that the, sorry, that's supported as the rationale is reasonable, the variance would permit siting that minimizes health risks to the subject and neighboring properties.

[1:34:23] Planner: The variances do not challenge the intent of the regulation and the engineer's response to the neighbor's inquiry has satisfied the concerns.

[1:34:33] Planner: and at this point we have had no other responses from notification that's my report

[1:34:48] Voice 9: sorry i should have said this at the outset but i'll give you an opportunity to speak

[1:34:52] Voice 9: in a moment but do either of you have questions for the planner yeah

[1:34:59] Voice 12: i had the chance to have a

[1:35:01] Voice 12: look at the property uh yesterday and my question for the planner is has to do with deceptive field

[1:35:08] Voice 12: and whether um because it it appears right now as if there are a number of trees on the existing

[1:35:15] Voice 12: field and so i'm wondering whether the new field would be able to be installed without removing

[1:35:23] Voice 12: moving uh those trees um

[1:35:27] Planner: i'm not 100 sure i don't i don't know brad it was um i don't know if sorry

[1:35:34] Planner: if uh craig regier is available uh the applicants may know this as well because of the type of

[1:35:41] Planner: system um because it's a secondary treatment i i do believe that the excavation can be

[1:35:48] Planner: um less less um deep but i'm not sure if it has to be a uniform field or not so i apologize i don't

[1:35:56] Planner: know off the top you

[1:35:59] Voice 8: want to ask the applicants yeah

[1:36:01] Planner: and we could try and get a hold of the

[1:36:03] Planner: engineer if necessary do

[1:36:06] Voice 9: you have a trustee brockwell do you have a question for the time

[1:36:08] Voice 9: yeah

[1:36:09] Voice 14: i just had a question of the road the road right of way i assume that motif's interests are

[1:36:15] Voice 14: and affected because it's in the road right

[1:36:17] Voice 12: away right

[1:36:18] Planner: sorry i missed the question sorry

[1:36:22] Planner: she

[1:36:22] Voice 9: asked whether modi's interests were affected um my understanding is the new system is no longer

[1:36:31] Voice 9: in the road right away is that correct it's

[1:36:32] Planner: no longer in the road right away and i do not believe

[1:36:34] Planner: that um unlike the galliano bylaw modi wouldn't consider this a structure so if there's a structure

[1:36:42] Planner: within 4.5 meters of a road right away you do require a permit from modi but my understanding

[1:36:47] Planner: is is that this isn't a structure by their definition so yeah okay

[1:36:51] Voice 14: so

[1:36:54] Voice 9: maybe what i'll do is

[1:36:55] Voice 9: we can ask get your question answered uh trustee will be coming i'm sorry and

[1:37:06] Voice 9: so first of all we have a question for trustee and also if you wish to

[1:37:09] Voice 9: add say anything or add anything to address these reports i'm sorry report um

[1:37:14] Voice 12: thank you phil that

[1:37:15] Voice 12: was a wonderful turnaround i think you've got everything that um that i would like to pass on

[1:37:23] Voice 12: about this um in regards to the tree that is certainly a concern of ours as well it isn't

[1:37:29] Voice 12: something that came up during the planning process so it wasn't even really on my mind to be honest

[1:37:43] Voice 9: And so just so I'm clear of what your question is, Christine, are you concerned that the new system is going to require some trees to be taken down?

[1:37:58] Voice 12: Possibly, but it sounds like it may not require that. It may be able to be, I don't know,

[1:38:05] Voice 12: threaded between them or,

[1:38:06] Voice 12: you know, I just would be worried about, because there are

[1:38:09] Voice 12: a number of, they're not very large trees, but there are a number of trees. And I guess

[1:38:16] Voice 12: they may not even be on the current septic field because the current septic field is

[1:38:21] Voice 12: down below.

[1:38:22] Voice 12: I think they are. I think at least some of them are.

[1:38:25] Voice 12: Okay.

[1:38:27] Voice 12: I think because they, when they looked at where the septic field is, it was 40.

[1:38:35] Voice 12: Yeah.

[1:38:39] Voice 9: Apparently the engineer might be available if we wanted to try and get an answer to that

[1:38:44] Voice 9: question.

[1:38:44] Voice 9: I mean, we know where approximately the septic field and the system is going to the longer

[1:38:51] Voice 9: the road allowance like above the road allowance but then um yeah but i'm not sure what if that

[1:39:02] Voice 9: would change your consideration of this no

[1:39:05] Voice 12: no i mean i think as as uh ms ireland has said i mean

[1:39:10] Voice 12: they're concerned about the trees on the property and so that you know i guess i would just hope

[1:39:16] Voice 12: that they can minimize the disturbance there did you have a trustee or

[1:39:21] Voice 14: is it given that in

[1:39:23] Voice 14: that there's no other place for it i think true

[1:39:28] Voice 9: i did drive by there this morning it's very steep

[1:39:35] Voice 9: you've come up off the road in fact you've got the bank up to the property level and then it

[1:39:41] Voice 9: just goes boom, like that from where the housing site is. So, I mean, you can see how the

[1:39:52] Voice 9: engineers include that that would be the only location for it. And I'm always happy to see

[1:40:00] Voice 9: a type two system going as opposed to just a straight

[1:40:02] Voice 22: run

[1:40:04] Voice 9: system, as it does, there is

[1:40:08] Voice 9: some treatment. So yes. I'm

[1:40:14] Voice 12: prepared to make a motion. Okay.

[1:40:20] Voice 12: I would move that they

[1:40:23] Voice 12: by the local trust committee approve the issuance of development variance permit application gl

[1:40:28] Voice 12: dash dvp dash two zero two one point one zero gathered poll.

[1:40:34] Voice 9: Seconded. Then include the

[1:40:36] Voice 9: discussion from either of the trustees. You want to speak to your motion? Okay. I do appreciate

[1:40:42] Voice 14: that jane mentioned the tree because i also like saving trees yes everyone

[1:40:52] Voice 9: okay uh yeah all in favor that passes and i i will say passes

[1:41:03] Voice 9: i'll just say i was saying to trustee wilkerson when i arrived back here

[1:41:07] Voice 9: it's so much better to actually see the location rather than just rely on the report

[1:41:17] Voice 9: So that will be issued in short order.

[1:41:22] Voice 9: Next on our agenda is on page 45, and this is the, thanks, see you again, is the Gaylor,

[1:41:37] Voice 9: which is, I guess, deal 86, page 45.

[1:41:46] Voice 9: five and

[1:41:47] Voice 12: I think Gaylord is on my Zoom yeah

[1:41:52] Voice 9: Mr Gaylord so we'll let the planner make the his

[1:42:00] Voice 9: representation his presented report sorry and then we'll ask questions and then I'll give you

[1:42:08] Voice 9: an opportunity to speak to you to your application at that point there you are I see you now

[1:42:17] Voice 9: now. So we'll come to you in due course, sir. So Clarence Smith, over to you.

[1:42:25] Voice 17: Just to clarify, Trustee Rogers, are the applicants in the room as well, the property owners?

[1:42:30] Voice 9: Oh, sorry. I thought Gaylor was the applicant.

[1:42:35] Voice 9: This

[1:42:35] Voice 17: is the consultant on the Zoom.

[1:42:37] Voice 9: Okay, so what's the name?

[1:42:40] Voice 11: Madison and Beresow.

[1:42:41] Voice 11: Okay,

[1:42:41] Voice 9: thank you. Nice to meet you. Yes, and you'll all have an opportunity to speak to

[1:42:46] Voice 9: when we get to that point yes they are here exactly

[1:42:49] Voice 17: so so thank you those are the property

[1:42:51] Voice 17: owners and uh the mr gaylor is the consultant who is uh who is uh acting on behalf of the client

[1:42:58] Voice 17: so thank you uh so a preliminary staff report here for the rezoning of district lot 86

[1:43:06] Voice 17: um so uh the most northerly f1 lot on galliano just below d'inizio

[1:43:13] Voice 17: and so proposing the creation of four new lots of course this is a preliminary proposal at this

[1:43:22] Voice 17: point so there can be some discussion around what the boundaries of those lots will look like

[1:43:26] Voice 17: but they're proposing to rezone the F1 lot into one F3 lot and two lots zoned rural residential

[1:43:35] Voice 17: with the minimum size of two hectares for the rural residential lots and meeting the minimum

[1:43:41] Voice 17: size requirement for the F3 lot with a proposal of 22 hectares and so and then using a combination

[1:43:51] Voice 17: of the two formulas that have been used in the past with these F1 lots so the the one enabled

[1:43:59] Voice 17: in the forestry policies the F1 to F3 with the creation of an F3 lot in exchange for a sustainable

[1:44:06] Voice 17: sustainable forestry plan covenants on the entire lot.

[1:44:10] Voice 17: And that would allow them one dwelling per 20 hectares,

[1:44:14] Voice 17: which would be met by their proposal.

[1:44:18] Voice 17: And then the remainder of the lot would then be divided 75,

[1:44:23] Voice 17: 25 with four hectares going to the real residential lots

[1:44:27] Voice 17: and the remainder going to a combination

[1:44:31] Voice 17: of parkland and road.

[1:44:33] Voice 17: And there's also the rock quarry in the portion on the side of the road that's currently proposed to be donated so there could be some discussion with the applicants and LTC and perhaps with the province as well about whether that's an amenity and whether that's a usable resource that the community wants to retain or that the applicant may want to adjust their proposal to retain.

[1:45:00] Voice 17: So, just working through the staff report you have in front of you, there's a layout of the different lot types and the breakdown of the subdivision proposal.

[1:45:12] Voice 17: There's a preliminary layout plan and I have forwarded LTC a more detailed, up-to-date preliminary layout plan at the end of last week that has a bit more precise lot lines.

[1:45:28] Voice 17: It shows the proposal and it also now shows a proposed access for shore access route

[1:45:38] Voice 17: that is being required by the province with respect to the subdivision requirements.

[1:45:45] Voice 17: So we've provided them a terms of reference consistent with the DAI bylaw

[1:45:53] Voice 17: that lays out in quite a bit of detail all the different requirements

[1:45:57] Voice 17: or at least the starting point of requirements for them

[1:46:01] Voice 17: to provide information to staff

[1:46:05] Voice 17: and the local trust committee

[1:46:06] Voice 17: to support their decision-making.

[1:46:07] Voice 17: And the applicant is working on some of those already,

[1:46:11] Voice 17: a lot of those and seeking further direction from LTC today.

[1:46:18] Voice 17: So talk just briefly already about the OCP designations,

[1:46:24] Voice 17: how they've combined it.

[1:46:26] Voice 17: It's generally consistent

[1:46:27] Voice 17: with how the OCP lays out the forestry policy

[1:46:31] Voice 17: with respect to the F1 and F3.

[1:46:33] Voice 17: And there's no specific forestry policies,

[1:46:36] Voice 17: but there are site specific instances of the 75-25 split

[1:46:40] Voice 17: in the rural residential policies of the OCP.

[1:46:44] Voice 17: So that's all laid out in the staff report.

[1:46:47] Voice 17: The land use bylaw, the different uses are laid out there.

[1:46:52] Voice 17: The two rural residential lots would have a dwelling

[1:46:55] Voice 17: and a residential or an accessory cottage,

[1:46:58] Voice 17: the F3 lot would just have a single dwelling, right?

[1:47:04] Voice 17: There are some DPAs on the property,

[1:47:06] Voice 17: in particular DPA2, the shoreline and marine,

[1:47:11] Voice 17: which does in a sense straddle their development areas

[1:47:16] Voice 17: for their currently proposed lots

[1:47:18] Voice 17: and a bit of steep slope as well

[1:47:21] Voice 17: that they may need to consider.

[1:47:25] Voice 17: And the staff report then just lays out some next steps

[1:47:28] Voice 17: with respect to consultation and agency referrals in this case engaging early with bc parks would

[1:47:37] Voice 17: be a key step and also engaging or consulting with first nations and particularly with the

[1:47:44] Voice 17: penelakets i should raise one point the transportation policies it was pointed out

[1:47:51] Voice 17: by a member of the public that there is transportation policy s which actually speaks

[1:47:57] Voice 17: speaks to, or I guess their proposal currently

[1:48:01] Voice 17: conflicts with transportation policy of the OCP

[1:48:05] Voice 17: with respect to the requirement for road access

[1:48:09] Voice 17: right to the lot.

[1:48:10] Voice 17: It is staff's understanding and Mr. Gaylor can speak more

[1:48:16] Voice 17: to this and where it's at, but it's staff's understanding

[1:48:18] Voice 17: that there is an application coming forward

[1:48:20] Voice 17: for district law 85 also being worked on by McElhaney

[1:48:25] Voice 17: McElhaney. And that if that is the case, then this, I think it would make sense to consider

[1:48:34] Voice 17: both 85 and 86 with respect to that road corridor. And, and even LTC could consider other aspects of

[1:48:44] Voice 17: layout and lot design kind of holistically with those two lots involved. And if those two lots

[1:48:53] Voice 17: that were rezoned and those road accesses were enabled,

[1:48:58] Voice 17: then that would create a road access to D&ECO.

[1:49:01] Voice 17: So I think I will leave it there

[1:49:05] Voice 17: and I will let Chair Rogers carry on.

[1:49:09] Voice 17: Thank you.

[1:49:13] Voice 7: Thanks for the report.

[1:49:16] Voice 7: Questions for the planner from the two trustees?

[1:49:21] Voice 12: I just have a comment

[1:49:22] Voice 12: because I do understand that the panel could have

[1:49:25] Voice 12: some concern about the road access opening and so that's just something to bear in mind

[1:49:33] Voice 12: for all of us as we look at this um they're they're just concerned about i mean it's obviously

[1:49:39] Voice 12: a very very sensitive uh area with lots of remains and and other um artifacts and so on so i think

[1:49:50] Voice 12: that's an issue for sure

[1:49:52] Voice 22: so

[1:49:57] Voice 9: um yeah so i

[1:50:00] Voice 17: think i i completely agree and i think a very first step

[1:50:04] Voice 17: would be an early engagement letter with all of those first nations and particularly the penelope

[1:50:10] Voice 17: and uh an offer to have an early discussion with them and uh perhaps even involving the

[1:50:18] Voice 17: province in those discussions as well at an early stage so i think that would be a first step for

[1:50:24] Voice 17: staff before uh anything else would proceed so

[1:50:29] Voice 9: this is where uh me being not from galliano

[1:50:32] Voice 9: leads me to ask questions everybody else in the room knows the answer to

[1:50:37] Voice 9: so there's i can see from the map there's lot 85 and i can see from the map that there's

[1:50:42] Voice 9: lot 86 to the north of it and i can read the number uh s uh which says uh you know don't

[1:50:52] Voice 9: consider it being public interest for lots of public road access um uh connecting to the public

[1:51:01] Voice 9: road system is it my understanding that currently whatever what is on the maps is the east side or

[1:51:07] Voice 9: doesn't go as far north as 86 is that correct no

[1:51:12] Voice 12: it does it's it's that the the old road if you if

[1:51:18] Voice 12: you look um it doesn't the properties as they're currently configured would not connect to that

[1:51:26] Voice 12: road they would have a separate um what's it called here but like a separate road they're

[1:51:34] Voice 12: proposing that would take that would go down so that would be an easement over the f3 to reach

[1:51:43] Voice 12: the lots is that's i think how i read it is that correct yeah

[1:51:48] Voice 21: mr

[1:51:50] Voice 9: um maybe mr gaylor could join us

[1:51:56] Voice 9: because i think you're the development consultant i don't want to say to you

[1:52:02] Voice 9: thank you

[1:52:06] Voice 2: trustee rogers can you hear me okay can

[1:52:08] Voice 6: hear you just fine

[1:52:09] Voice 2: All right. All the way from Snowy Cam River. Thanks for that great presentation, Brad.

[1:52:16] Voice 2: Or Planner Smith, rather. Just very briefly, it's in my understanding there's two things right now.

[1:52:21] Voice 2: There's an existing road that bisects both District Law 85 and 86, but it is not located within a road right-of-way.

[1:52:29] Voice 2: So part of the application, the current application and the rezoning application of DL85, the idea would be to dedicate that road as a public road.

[1:52:39] Voice 2: That's the first order of business. The second, as it is proposed now, it is a proposed access

[1:52:44] Voice 2: easement road to access the two rural residential zone properties. We are working with our surveyor

[1:52:52] Voice 2: team and MOT, Ministry of Transportation, to identify whether or not a public road is needed

[1:52:59] Voice 2: and what that would look like. So we are working through those details and we're appreciative of

[1:53:06] Voice 2: comments received from residents and that will inform part of our our uh our plans moving forward

[1:53:12] Voice 7: right so and

[1:53:14] Voice 9: and you're familiar with or perhaps now we're familiar with the part of the ocp that

[1:53:19] Voice 9: indicates that lots that don't have a pot access either through a private subdivision or on a

[1:53:25] Voice 9: public road are not as as termed in the ocp are not considered to be in the public interest so

[1:53:32] Voice 9: that it's been a stopping point so it doesn't have

[1:53:35] Voice 9: to be resolved at some point because currently

[1:53:38] Voice 9: without 85 there's no way to get to 86 except over the whole closed road i gather

[1:53:44] Voice 12: no so

[1:53:46] Voice 9: am i wrong

[1:53:48] Voice 9: okay yeah

[1:53:49] Voice 12: you have you have to go you have to go over those places that are that have been blocked

[1:53:54] Voice 12: i don't know if they are open here to get to 86 you have to go over 85. right

[1:54:00] Voice 5: so yes go ahead

[1:54:04] Voice 10: to add, although hopefully 85 and 86 should go ahead in time,

[1:54:11] Voice 24: but the people at Thera are also

[1:54:14] Voice 24: interested in having an emergency exit through BL 86. Right beside

[1:54:22] Voice 9: where you see

[1:54:22] Voice 5: the gravel pit,

[1:54:25] Voice 5: there is actually an old roadway that goes right into Thera and on the Thera property there's

[1:54:30] Voice 5: actually a

[1:54:31] Voice 9: community right away going right to where that road would end up so if there's any

[1:54:39] Voice 9: problems in the road access that is also another alternative way out through their republic

[1:54:45] Voice 9: public, private area. Right.

[1:54:50] Voice 12: So Sarah is trying also to get the Cooke Road that goes over

[1:54:58] Voice 12: 87 to be declared a public road. I mean, you've been going

[1:55:03] Voice 12: back and forth with with Moti on that.

[1:55:08] Voice 9: Yeah, so the question that has been raised outside of the

[1:55:12] Voice 9: report from the former trustee, which I think is a good one, is that there is this policy that says

[1:55:22] Voice 9: and it's worded differently than policy O, which talks about you can have a covenant

[1:55:28] Voice 9: or a right-of-way. It talks about in order to have subdivisions or it's not a prohibition unless

[1:55:32] Voice 9: there's actually a road right into your property. I presume so that there's access to get out,

[1:55:38] Voice 9: emergency access as opposed to purely water access or something that's just covenant so

[1:55:44] Voice 9: seems to me the question we're being asked today is to whether to advance this application

[1:55:51] Voice 9: knowing that there's this issue that needs to be resolved before it can proceed finally

[1:55:57] Voice 9: am i reading that right planner smith you

[1:56:10] Voice 6: need to unmute correct i

[1:56:13] Voice 17: know sorry i get lost in

[1:56:15] Voice 17: meetings. Yes, I think

[1:56:17] Voice 17: I followed you there and you're understanding

[1:56:19] Voice 17: that correctly, but

[1:56:20] Voice 17: I guess the key point being that

[1:56:22] Voice 17: if DL85 was to

[1:56:25] Voice 17: come forward, that

[1:56:27] Voice 17: would eliminate that

[1:56:28] Voice 17: conflict with transportation

[1:56:30] Voice 17: policy, yes.

[1:56:32] Voice 9: As I understood the

[1:56:34] Voice 9: applicant, what he

[1:56:36] Voice 9: said, sir, was that

[1:56:38] Voice 9: there may be another alternative.

[1:56:41] Voice 9: I don't know how that works with

[1:56:43] Voice 9: DL91.

[1:56:45] Voice 9: i'm not quite sure if that connects yeah

[1:56:48] Voice 17: i think i think the most straightforward

[1:56:50] Voice 17: alternative would be to connect gl 85 and 86 on the existing well-established roadway

[1:56:59] Voice 17: and then essentially it's just a matter of ensuring that that meets ministry standards

[1:57:06] Voice 17: and removing the gate so that you can then get access right to through those lots on the public

[1:57:13] Voice 17: roadway uh to uh the starting point of dneseo and now of course that's assuming that

[1:57:21] Voice 17: that's what bc parks and also the first nations are are considered in that uh conversation but

[1:57:29] Voice 17: that would be the simplest and

[1:57:32] Voice 9: i just want to be clear my understanding is that the objective is

[1:57:35] Voice 9: not necessarily of the policy is not to get to dneseo but it does once you get through 85

[1:57:43] Voice 9: 85 presumably or that on a public road are you uh

[1:57:47] Voice 12: no it's the same it's it's all of those

[1:57:51] Voice 12: properties the worst properties that go up the island better so

[1:57:54] Voice 9: then how does 85 solve the

[1:57:56] Voice 9: problem and maybe i'm in something yes trust me i'm

[1:58:00] Voice 14: curious about that as well

[1:58:03] Voice 9: yeah right now cl85 has a gate on the start of their property on this paved road all the

[1:58:13] Voice 9: to the park um and that was through some previous attempts to get um rezoning that failed so that

[1:58:20] Voice 9: this property owners paved the road in an attempt to get that rezoning but right now we opened the

[1:58:27] Voice 9: gate on bl85 to get to our property on dl86 um and then for the parks they also opened the gate

[1:58:34] Voice 9: to get through dl85 and then to the park so

[1:58:38] Voice 14: is it a dedicated road up to 85 so yes yeah so that's

[1:58:43] Voice 9: That's what my question is.

[1:58:45] Voice 14: From Cook?

[1:58:46] Voice 12: Sorry?

[1:58:47] Voice 12: From Cook?

[1:58:49] Voice 23: Oh,

[1:58:49] Voice 12: right.

[1:58:52] Voice 12: Right, right, right.

[1:58:53] Voice 12: Yeah, yeah.

[1:58:55] Voice 12: Yeah, it's down Vineyard Way.

[1:58:58] Voice 9: Oh, okay. So that was my confusion.

[1:59:01] Voice 9: That's

[1:59:01] Voice 10: what I thought, but I was

[1:59:02] Voice 10: pretty wrong.

[1:59:04] Voice 12: So I have, like, other concerns

[1:59:07] Voice 12: other than just

[1:59:08] Voice 12: the roadway.

[1:59:11] Voice 12: And I think it's really important to address the concerns at the beginning of a

[1:59:19] Voice 12: We're using a precedent of 75-25, which we currently don't actually have in our land use

[1:59:24] Voice 12: bylaw, which I mean, I recognize that precedence happens and it's valuable because the community

[1:59:30] Voice 14: did essentially approve that as a whole a long time ago, but we're not working with

[1:59:35] Voice 14: that bylaw right now.

[1:59:36] Voice 14: And I wouldn't mind seeing it because I do believe there's a shoreline clause in there

[1:59:40] Voice 14: that a part of the shoreline must be held in retention for nature protection it can't just be

[1:59:48] Voice 14: i mean that's i found it a long time ago because i was actually looking for crystal mountain

[1:59:52] Voice 14: to make sure it was somewhat within the precedent setting there and that's one of my concerns

[2:00:00] Voice 14: sense going to the applicant there. And then also that you're

[2:00:03] Voice 9: talking about the two rule

[2:00:06] Voice 12: because they have three would be three as well. Yes.

[2:00:09] Voice 14: Also that

[2:00:10] Voice 14: there's the easement would be going across the F3. So it'd be

[2:00:15] Voice 14: a new road going to the sustainable forestry covenant

[2:00:18] Voice 14: and then also the quality of

[2:00:23] Voice 14: protection. I'd like to have further information on that

[2:00:29] Voice 14: because the mature forest by the shore is the highest value on that property and again that

[2:00:36] Voice 14: would not be included in the nature protection so those are just a few of my concerns and

[2:00:41] Voice 14: i don't i think it's appropriate to continue investing in this application i don't think

[2:00:47] Voice 14: it's worth denying at this point um but i think we need to ask staff to have discussions with

[2:00:51] Voice 14: bc parks and other provincial agencies in

[2:00:54] Voice 12: regards to quality s and also in regards to the proposed

[2:00:58] Voice 12: nature protection if they're interested in that and also information on ecological conditions

[2:01:04] Voice 12: and we most importantly need to address um first nation any potential first nations concerns yeah

[2:01:13] Voice 4: yeah and

[2:01:15] Voice 12: i i think just sorting out this um road that comes off of the main road to the to the uh

[2:01:21] Voice 12: the two lots there um would be i think that needs to be sorted out with multi whether whether they

[2:01:30] Voice 12: would one whether it would make sense to put a road through there uh and then whether it's a

[2:01:36] Voice 12: road that multi would take in order to legitimize those two lots right

[2:01:46] Voice 5: yeah please go ahead just so

[2:01:49] Voice 5: we have done some preliminary talks with monkey

[2:01:51] Voice 3: um and we've

[2:01:53] Voice 9: said which would be better than to

[2:01:55] Voice 9: have a public road going through there or a um right away and they seem to prefer the right way

[2:02:02] Voice 9: I'm not sure why I

[2:02:05] Voice 12: think they don't mean yeah

[2:02:07] Voice 9: I was going to say probably

[2:02:08] Voice 22: I know

[2:02:10] Voice 12: it was already mentioned that the L85 will be coming forward with their proposal as well and

[2:02:16] Voice 12: we were sort of understanding

[2:02:18] Voice 19: they were going to be submitting the same time as us so that

[2:02:22] Voice 19: together but for some reason ours just

[2:02:25] Voice 12: went through a little faster but I do believe theirs

[2:02:27] Voice 12: is coming as well right i mean i think that the proposal of the of this new road it does minimize

[2:02:37] Voice 12: the the road so so for example like if you had you know this instead of having

[2:02:44] Voice 12: two roads that go through the forest you have to set it up one which is what is preferred for sure

[2:02:52] Voice 12: But yeah, the issue then is how, whether a right-of-way satisfies our OTP, that needs to be sorted out.

[2:03:01] Voice 12: Well, and does it satisfy the Act 3 covenant?

[2:03:03] Voice 12: Yeah.

[2:03:03] Voice 12: It's also crossing something that is supposed to be sustainable for a temporary work.

[2:03:07] Voice 12: Yeah.

[2:03:07] Voice 22: So there's a lot of

[2:03:08] Voice 12: questions I have, and I think that, are you happy to make a motion to that effect?

[2:03:11] Voice 12: Once a question, once a conversation.

[2:03:14] Voice 10: Yeah.

[2:03:14] Voice 10: So as I understand,

[2:03:16] Voice 10: so

[2:03:21] Voice 9: we have a number of options.

[2:03:22] Voice 9: One is you could simply say we're not going to proceed any further because there's this question of the OCP, but what we know is that 85 is potentially independent, and I think as long as we flag for the applicant, you tell me if I'm wrong, Clare Smith, as long as we flag for the applicant, that that issue is going to have to be resolved, and we're going to have to have that section of the OCP satisfied before we can finalize the process.

[2:03:50] Voice 9: uh and then we can ask for other things as well if we want to proceed if you're interested in

[2:03:56] Voice 9: general in the proposal to uh dedicate this property create an f3 lot uh allowed subdivision

[2:04:03] Voice 9: potentially in the future of all those things so am i

[2:04:07] Voice 9: am i i don't know if you can hear me

[2:04:10] Voice 9: clearly but i'm hoping i'm summarizing that specifically correct

[2:04:17] Voice 17: okay

[2:04:19] Voice 22: okay

[2:04:20] Voice 9: Okay, so I'm just going to turn to the applicant or Mr. Gaylor, whoever he wants to speak.

[2:04:27] Voice 9: Is that clear to you? Do you understand what we're saying is that there's this issue that's going to have to be resolved

[2:04:35] Voice 9: that may be not necessarily directly in your control about road access

[2:04:41] Voice 9: and that's involving both Mody and your neighbor to the south or I suppose theoretically to your west.

[2:04:50] Voice 9: depending on how it goes but that's a provision in our post official community plan that's pretty

[2:04:56] Voice 9: clear um i guess i should say is clear and uh we have to take that into account uh so there'd be

[2:05:06] Voice 9: some work to do on that um and you need to understand that before we advance it further

[2:05:12] Voice 9: so i don't want to get to six months down the road and you go well nobody ever told me we have

[2:05:18] Voice 9: to do that and that's a that's a non-starter for us we want to start all over again um which is

[2:05:24] Voice 9: always an option or withdraw an application you've had applications withdrawn so that you're clear

[2:05:30] Voice 9: about that okay any other is there anything else you'd like to say or mr galer that you'd like to

[2:05:35] Voice 9: say uh before we go to our discussion about what to do yes go ahead i

[2:05:40] Voice 12: just have one thing i'd like

[2:05:41] Voice 12: to say to the community here is that you know i know we have to wait for our neighbors obviously

[2:05:45] Voice 12: we can get this proposal through but once our proposal on that proposal goes through then it

[2:05:49] Voice 12: gets everybody road access to to be in the acl park so yeah

[2:05:54] Voice 6: that seems to be a bit of a risk

[2:06:02] Voice 12: yeah so

[2:06:03] Voice 12: keeping in

[2:06:10] Voice 9: mind all of those issues about the forest and and the and the extremely

[2:06:14] Voice 9: important issue of heritage cultural sites yes go ahead

[2:06:18] Voice 5: there's two other things that um i would

[2:06:22] Voice 5: like to consider is um one of the things that we want to do is open up a red bar so that there's a

[2:06:29] Voice 9: firefighting capability for that area because

[2:06:32] Voice 5: right now there is no water that the fire

[2:06:35] Voice 9: department can draw on um the idea of going through

[2:06:39] Voice 5: there there's two possible ways for

[2:06:41] Voice 5: the fire department

[2:06:42] Voice 9: to get from north hall to the upper part of the west. One would be

[2:06:49] Voice 9: coming through there which is that's optimal the other one would be coming through the other

[2:06:55] Voice 9: so anyway so one of the things that we would like to do is create a reservoir for the fire department

[2:07:00] Voice 9: the other thing that I we don't know how your thoughts are on the use of the

[2:07:11] Voice 9: rather fit on the alien six which is currently going over and it's not in use but it is a very

[2:07:17] Voice 9: good resource to the island compared to camberer the travel prices are just under double the price

[2:07:24] Voice 9: so it's almost cheaper to get from the bank around to get it on so it would be a good resource to

[2:07:32] Voice 9: have some sort of competition whether buyouts or buy somebody else so it's just something for

[2:07:39] Voice 9: for you guys to consider. I don't really have a strong agreement.

[2:07:43] Voice 14: I mean, that is proposed in a major production area, which seems, I mean, maybe...

[2:07:49] Voice 14: It seems counterintuitive.

[2:07:50] Voice 22: It seems counterintuitive, and

[2:07:51] Voice 14: also it seems like a private enterprise,

[2:07:53] Voice 14: unless everyone can just back up their trucks and fill up and travel.

[2:07:56] Voice 14: So, I mean, I'm probably, I think a lot of thought needs to go into the configuration of this proposal.

[2:08:02] Voice 14: I think that it's not, perhaps, where it should be in the final stages of proposed,

[2:08:08] Voice 14: close like what we're looking at because we're also we have to make emojis going to take

[2:08:11] Voice 14: portions of the property and dedicate it to public

[2:08:14] Voice 12: trail which we've seen on the remap

[2:08:16] Voice 12: and how does that affect the 7525 which i still have issues with because i don't believe it

[2:08:22] Voice 14: follows the initial precedent which once we start getting further halfway from the precedent what

[2:08:28] Voice 14: are we even following and we don't know that's so i would i would take a motion that we ask staff

[2:08:36] Voice 14: for further um information to have discussions with

[2:08:40] Voice 9: i'm going to ask you to slow down so that

[2:08:42] Voice 9: carly can keep up with you go ahead okay

[2:08:49] Voice 14: anyone can tidy this motion up it's available so to ask

[2:08:53] Voice 14: staff to have discussions with bc parts and other provincial agencies in regards to policy s

[2:08:59] Voice 14: and um provide uh well i'm not sure about this but planter smith and i talked about it because

[2:09:06] Voice 14: i'm concerned the ecological value of

[2:09:09] Voice 12: the proposed major protection that's not maybe in line with

[2:09:13] Voice 12: what bc parks would desire and so to also discuss the ecological policies um and to uh consult with

[2:09:21] Voice 12: first nations okay

[2:09:22] Voice 9: so with that all part of it because i'm seeing you see that

[2:09:25] Voice 12: part

[2:09:26] Voice 12: that

[2:09:26] Voice 9: we request

[2:09:32] Voice 12: staff for further information to discuss with bc parks and other potential

[2:09:36] Voice 12: agencies in regards to policy x i should say land transportation policy that's my

[2:09:42] Voice 12: land transportation yeah so

[2:09:45] Voice 9: you want them to discuss regard in regards to land transportation

[2:09:49] Voice 9: well

[2:09:49] Voice 12: it's like sam sam yeah like yeah

[2:09:53] Voice 12: because i had concerns about that so just

[2:09:56] Voice 12: what they thought about um the easement and if maybe they disagreed with it or

[2:10:03] Voice 12: or what their interpretation of our OCP was there.

[2:10:10] Voice 9: Okay, so maybe we'll,

[2:10:11] Voice 9: let's maybe do these one at a time.

[2:10:13] Voice 9: Okay.

[2:10:14] Voice 9: So the first motion is to ask the staff

[2:10:16] Voice 9: to prepare, to investigate and report back,

[2:10:21] Voice 9: investigate with MOTI?

[2:10:23] Voice 14: With BC Parks and other provincial agencies.

[2:10:26] Voice 9: Okay, BC Parks, land transportation,

[2:10:30] Voice 9: land

[2:10:30] Voice 14: transportation

[2:10:31] Voice 9: policy, yes,

[2:10:33] Voice 14: and

[2:10:34] Voice 9: report back.

[2:10:35] Voice 9: and

[2:10:35] Voice 14: then yeah we'll do the next one after okay okay

[2:10:41] Voice 9: well i'm i'm just gonna suggest

[2:10:45] Voice 9: we need to sort of stand that motion down because there's an

[2:10:50] Voice 9: early the motion in the

[2:10:52] Voice 9: staff report which basically says to proceed um probably should be made a decision first

[2:10:59] Voice 9: Oh, okay. So

[2:11:03] Voice 9: you don't want to make that motion. You want to

[2:11:05] Voice 12: get

[2:11:06] Voice 9: some more information.

[2:11:07] Voice 9: Okay, so that motion has been made. And I think you've got that.

[2:11:15] Voice 9: Can

[2:11:16] Voice 17: I propose a slightly broader motion than that?

[2:11:21] Voice 22: Perhaps

[2:11:22] Voice 17: we use the beginning part of the existing emotion and we we direct staff to

[2:11:27] Voice 17: that the Galliano Island Trust Committee direct staff to proceed with the application

[2:11:32] Voice 17: and further investigate road and lot layout with provincial or with potentially affected

[2:11:43] Voice 17: government agencies. And then that will allow looking at all of those different aspects of lot

[2:11:50] Voice 17: layout uh the trans the road layout the quarry ecological

[2:11:57] Voice 14: assessment um

[2:11:59] Voice 17: and then i think by

[2:12:03] Voice 17: directing that you could you could by directing staff to proceed with the application i think it

[2:12:09] Voice 17: signals the applicant to continue to work on their ecological assessment information that

[2:12:17] Voice 17: that uh yeah

[2:12:18] Voice 14: that's important because it might impact the bc parks decision as well

[2:12:22] Voice 14: yep

[2:12:23] Voice 17: so i know that i know that work is already ongoing and i had a conversation with oh my gosh

[2:12:28] Voice 17: i have a cat in my face i have a conversation with their biologist this morning about a few

[2:12:35] Voice 17: details of that work so i know that preliminary reports are forthcoming already uh that will

[2:12:40] Voice 17: we'll provide some baseline information on the ecological habitat on the property,

[2:12:47] Voice 17: if that's what you're looking for.

[2:12:49] Voice 17: If you're looking for something more specific to the road or something else.

[2:12:54] Voice 17: I

[2:12:54] Voice 14: was thinking that hopefully if we're going to be considering transferring nature protection properties, I will.

[2:13:02] Voice 14: You

[2:13:03] Voice 17: could direct the applicant to proceed with the terms of reference.

[2:13:07] Voice 17: So,

[2:13:08] Voice 9: so let me just, let's, let's, we've got a motion about working with the provincial agency regarding the road around transportation policy.

[2:13:20] Voice 9: And I think we had some suggested alternative language from the planner about lot layout, etc.

[2:13:30] Voice 9: So let's, Carly, I know you're in addition, but you can tell us where you're

[2:13:35] Voice 22: at on that.

[2:13:35] Voice 9: So

[2:13:35] Voice 12: what Planner Smith has said is to direct staff to proceed with the application and

[2:13:39] Voice 12: further investigate road and lot layout with potentially effective government agencies.

[2:13:44] Voice 9: And I think you want to add the words, in particular, considering OCP transportation

[2:13:52] Voice 9: policy tests.

[2:13:56] Voice 14: Is

[2:13:56] Voice 9: that consistent with Planner Smith?

[2:13:58] Voice 9: Yeah, I just wanted

[2:13:59] Voice 14: to check with Brett.

[2:14:00] Voice 14: So Planner Smith.

[2:14:01] Voice 14: So I think that's consistent with what, because I don't, I mean, we're proceeding in a sense

[2:14:06] Voice 14: that we're not stopping

[2:14:07] Voice 12: the application but i do have those very strong concerns about the 75 25

[2:14:14] Voice 12: precedent and the x3 and the roads going across it i'm just this is like a very

[2:14:18] Voice 12: and i'm not sure how it fits in with our oz so

[2:14:23] Voice 17: i think by proceeding with the application but

[2:14:25] Voice 17: as we talked about you're not comfortable necessarily with uh directing staff to draft

[2:14:31] Voice 17: a bylaw at this time then we can at least start with some of that preliminary analysis

[2:14:35] Voice 17: and staff engagement with different agencies and First Nations and closer engagement with the consultants to consider some of those thoughts that you've expressed here in the meeting.

[2:14:52] Voice 17: And it may trigger some amendments to their proposal as those conversations proceed.

[2:14:58] Voice 17: I think that's a pretty safe place to land.

[2:15:01] Voice 17: And you could pass another resolution specifically directing the applicant to proceed with the terms of reference, including submission of the ecological assessment reports.

[2:15:14] Voice 14: Well, let's go to the first motion I was happy with, was what Brad proposed.

[2:15:18] Voice 14: So should I, do we need to, do I need to do something?

[2:15:20] Voice 17: You could add and First Nations at the end of that as well.

[2:15:24] Voice 14: Well, no, I was going to say the motion I made that Jane seconded, do we need to do something with that one?

[2:15:30] Voice 9: I've taken this as an amendment to that.

[2:15:35] Voice 10: Okay,

[2:15:36] Voice 12: so I just want to also mention that deal 87, which we are going to try to sort out about this particular part of the proposed nature protection.

[2:15:53] Voice 12: So, just, there's

[2:15:55] Voice 10: a lot of moving parts,

[2:15:57] Voice 12: there's a lot going on in this neighborhood.

[2:15:59] Voice 12: so i

[2:16:01] Voice 17: think yeah so i think our our initial engagement with the provincial agencies

[2:16:05] Voice 17: and first nations and we could add first nations to that motion at the end of agencies and first

[2:16:11] Voice 17: nations uh uh um we would approach that as a holistic conversation with uh what is your i

[2:16:21] Voice 17: think with when we get to the conversation around dl87 i think your first conversation is uh

[2:16:27] Voice 17: understanding from the province what their long-term intention is.

[2:16:30] Voice 17: Are they just planning to sit on those as crown lots?

[2:16:34] Voice 17: Then nature protection is maybe the end of the conversation,

[2:16:38] Voice 17: but if they're planning at some point in the future, for example,

[2:16:41] Voice 17: to add DL87 as parkland, for example,

[2:16:44] Voice 17: then in the future it could be rezoned again as an actual park.

[2:16:51] Voice 17: So staff would have that holistic approach in mind.

[2:16:54] Voice 17: So

[2:16:54] Voice 9: I actually, okay, so my thinking is that we sort of started again with the motion that has been sort of crafted together by your wording and maybe add First Nations, but I do think it's important that you make a separate motion regarding early impeachment around agricultural sites, separate and apart from the road issue because it could be something more extensive as well as will be something more extensive.

[2:17:24] Voice 14: know so

[2:17:25] Voice 9: so can we i think we'll take the original motion because you have the word about provincial

[2:17:30] Voice 9: agencies

[2:17:30] Voice 10: i

[2:17:32] Voice 9: think you already got that okay so we've got a motion since you're setting the end

[2:17:37] Voice 9: okay so i'm going to anything further you want to say about the motion so i'll pass that uh that

[2:17:42] Voice 9: passes all right so let's talk about you and the nature protection and what it is your concern is

[2:17:48] Voice 9: it would be like stuff to investigate um the

[2:17:51] Voice 9: versions were finished planer smith has suggested

[2:17:55] Voice 9: that we just asked them to work on the terms of reference because it's contained in there i think

[2:17:59] Voice 9: that's what you're you're pointing yes

[2:18:03] Voice 14: um yep and i guess dc parks will be contacted i mean it's

[2:18:11] Voice 14: the value of that property the portion that's being reported is significantly less value than

[2:18:17] Voice 14: the shoreline um in the sense of the trees we saw in the report there that the mature trees are on

[2:18:25] Voice 14: the shoreline um so i just i see the forest is very young it's very clear-cut and i'm just

[2:18:33] Voice 14: it's being proposed nature protection i'm not sure if the exchange is actually something that

[2:18:38] Voice 14: bc parks would be interested in other than the road that

[2:18:43] Voice 12: leads to their park okay so maybe

[2:18:44] Voice 9: perhaps your

[2:18:46] Voice 9: motion or your

[2:18:48] Voice 9: interest is, well I know

[2:18:50] Voice 9: one of your interests is to get more

[2:18:52] Voice 9: information about previous

[2:18:54] Voice 9: bylaw which may

[2:18:56] Voice 9: have protected shorelines.

[2:18:58] Voice 9: Well

[2:18:58] Voice 14: it's the exchange of

[2:19:00] Voice 14: shorelines.

[2:19:02] Voice 14: Like I said, I only read it once and it was

[2:19:04] Voice 14: an old island title.

[2:19:06] Voice 12: So it was

[2:19:07] Voice 12: I think it's valuable for using a precedent

[2:19:10] Voice 12: to this extent of representing a

[2:19:12] Voice 12: forest lot that we have the precedent

[2:19:14] Voice 12: that we're using especially in regards to the shoreline so

[2:19:17] Voice 9: was there actually a bottle i'm

[2:19:20] Voice 12: asking

[2:19:21] Voice 9: this and i'm sure someone will send me an email confirmed yes there

[2:19:24] Voice 12: was a bylaw there was

[2:19:25] Voice 12: a sunset clause so people had a period of time in which to rezone and to do the 75 25 and to

[2:19:35] Voice 12: the 75 could go only go to an island organization at that time that was older than 30 years

[2:19:44] Voice 12: So at that time, the only organization that was that was the Galeano Club,

[2:19:50] Voice 22: and

[2:19:51] Voice 12: that's why the Galeano Club received the Community Force designation, but there was a sunset clause.

[2:19:59] Voice 9: That's what

[2:19:59] Voice 10: Keogh was talking about earlier.

[2:20:01] Voice 10: Yes.

[2:20:02] Voice 10: But

[2:20:02] Voice 12: it has been used in other rezoning as a guideline.

[2:20:08] Voice 12: Yes,

[2:20:08] Voice 9: and I see that in the OCP.

[2:20:10] Voice 9: yeah

[2:20:10] Voice 12: yeah so i think but

[2:20:13] Voice 9: i think the question as i answered from trustee rockefeller was

[2:20:17] Voice 9: was there also a provision related to protection of the marine area

[2:20:21] Voice 12: there was

[2:20:23] Voice 14: i can tell you there was because i read it

[2:20:24] Voice 14: like a month ago

[2:20:25] Voice 14: so i

[2:20:31] Voice 12: was just wondering if we could bring that back because i think it's valuable that if the

[2:20:36] Voice 12: community didn't think the applicants should get 100 of the shoreline well that's a president we

[2:20:40] Voice 12: all need to follow up if we're following the pressure so

[2:20:42] Voice 9: why don't you just make a motion

[2:20:44] Voice 9: because that's to bring the previous bylaws of protecting shoreline on the forest lots

[2:20:50] Voice 9: to

[2:20:51] Voice 12: bring the heritage forest bylaws back to the ltc so we may review it for consistency

[2:21:06] Voice 9: I

[2:21:07] Voice 17: just want to comment that those provisions no longer exist in your OCP and your land use

[2:21:12] Voice 9: so

[2:21:13] Voice 17: I think

[2:21:15] Voice 9: trustee just wants to see it for historical

[2:21:18] Voice 9: comparison absolutely I'm just

[2:21:20] Voice 17: making the point you're not bound to those policies yes

[2:21:23] Voice 9: I'm sorry there's a question

[2:21:25] Voice 9: before we vote on the we're actually in our business but is there something specific that

[2:21:30] Voice 9: question um

[2:21:31] Voice 5: um specifically the the old growth trees are all

[2:21:34] Voice 9: should all be within like the can

[2:21:37] Voice 9: be really devastated of course and all of the old growth trees are really close to the within

[2:21:42] Voice 9: the 50 meter step back anyways and as far as the value of the road as far as i understand the paving

[2:21:48] Voice 9: of that road cost um about a million and a half and so that row by itself is a substantial asset

[2:21:59] Voice 9: Okay so we've got a

[2:22:00] Voice 9: motion and a second there's a discussion on the motion so we can get through

[2:22:04] Voice 9: this.

[2:22:05] Voice 9: Okay so I'm going to call the vote on that motion so that passes yes now Trustee Rowe.

[2:22:13] Voice 14: I did have a question for the planner is it you know with shoreline DPAs I know you can't

[2:22:18] Voice 14: build with them but can you put in a tree for view cut down a tree for view?

[2:22:27] Voice 6: you can't hear you're muted brad you're

[2:22:31] Voice 9: you're muted brad

[2:22:32] Voice 17: sorry um can you cut down a tree for

[2:22:34] Voice 17: review um any i would have to look in the guidelines to see how uh stringent they are

[2:22:42] Voice 17: it says any developments and uh whether that means removing of any trees i'll look and get

[2:22:51] Voice 17: back to in a sec yeah

[2:22:53] Voice 14: i just was

[2:22:53] Voice 12: it was pertaining to the

[2:22:54] Voice 14: comments from the applicants because i

[2:22:56] Voice 14: I understand there's no development allowed in DPA, but I don't think there's, like, besides our 12 by 12 meter DPA for tree cutting, I don't believe there's an individual

[2:23:05] Voice 12: tree cutting by law.

[2:23:09] Voice 9: In the shoreline DPA?

[2:23:11] Voice 12: Yeah.

[2:23:12] Voice 9: I'd have to look at the

[2:23:13] Voice 12: shoreline DPA.

[2:23:14] Voice 12: Because that was nice.

[2:23:19] Voice 9: As I understand, forest PPAs can't remove more than 12 cubic metres of wood

[2:23:26] Voice 22: without

[2:23:29] Voice 9: milking how many, 12 cubic metres?

[2:23:32] Voice 14: 145 cubic metres.

[2:23:34] Voice 9: No, cubic.

[2:23:35] Voice 14: Cubic.

[2:23:37] Voice 14: So then I guess the last motion.

[2:23:39] Voice 14: Go ahead, yeah.

[2:23:41] Voice 14: And

[2:23:42] Voice 9: of course we're caught in the fire, we're not caught.

[2:23:44] Voice 9: the trust is doing a whole bunch of comparative cultural mapping right now

[2:23:49] Voice 9: as we speak we just

[2:23:51] Voice 9: which will probably raise some of this but that won't catch everything

[2:23:58] Voice 9: um it can't uh so this is really about identifying early and

[2:24:08] Voice 9: and thorough and whatever the right adjectives are but a comprehensive review of whatever

[2:24:16] Voice 9: heritage cultural concerns might be on this side something like

[2:24:21] Voice 14: that well i definitely think that

[2:24:23] Voice 14: you kind of have the wording down if you want to go for it

[2:24:26] Voice 9: well i mean i think that you know i

[2:24:28] Voice 9: think what you're what i heard you say is you'd like early uh consultation and engagement with

[2:24:35] Voice 9: with the Penelope in particular, but with Coast Salish

[2:24:38] Voice 9: or the Penelope regarding any heritage cultural sites

[2:24:42] Voice 9: on the DLF 86.

[2:24:45] Voice 12: And that's exactly what I wanted, so thank you, Ben.

[2:24:58] Voice 9: Carly's already written it.

[2:25:01] Voice 9: Is there a seconder for the motion from Trustee Ruffalo?

[2:25:03] Voice 9: So I'll call the vote on that and get further on this.

[2:25:06] Voice 9: So with that, we've now passed a motion to proceed.

[2:25:09] Voice 9: we passed a motion related to engagement with provincial and First Nations and the authorities

[2:25:15] Voice 9: related to the road access etc we passed a motion related to bringing back the old bylaws we passed

[2:25:21] Voice 9: a motion related to early engagement with First Nations anything anything else um

[2:25:27] Voice 14: I just wanted

[2:25:28] Voice 14: to say to the applicants that I know this sounds really onerous but from my experience with

[2:25:32] Voice 14: rezoning complicated rezoning if you get as many concerns as you can on the table initially it's

[2:25:38] Voice 12: to go

[2:25:38] Voice 14: a lot smoother as you go along and i went through it very deeply and this is what i have

[2:25:44] Voice 14: come up with so far so it's not going to get worse unless we get more information

[2:25:50] Voice 14: these are literally all the concerns

[2:25:53] Voice 12: i could possibly think of at this point so now we just

[2:25:56] Voice 12: wait for more yeah

[2:25:58] Voice 9: i mean there's a number of other things raised in the terms of reference

[2:26:02] Voice 9: i just

[2:26:03] Voice 12: want to say something if it makes you feel any better i'm not a landscape designer

[2:26:07] Voice 12: designer by profession and I love trees and that's one of the reasons we bought it so

[2:26:11] Voice 12: trust me we want to protect the trees let

[2:26:14] Voice 9: me and let me just finish there's a number

[2:26:16] Voice 9: of this for anybody watching this and anybody you can go to the applicants um to the application

[2:26:22] Voice 9: section of the agenda and there's a terms of reference that have been set out by the

[2:26:27] Voice 9: the planner would have been sent to the applicant for the containing some of these things but

[2:26:31] Voice 9: other things as well including water and sewage and all sorts of things that will become part

[2:26:36] Voice 9: of the process of in presuming this matter continues to go down the road and i just also

[2:26:41] Voice 9: i want to make sure everybody's aware i will say it again the the and we passed the motion

[2:26:47] Voice 9: the issue regarding uh dl85 or whatever it is the access is going to

[2:26:52] Voice 10: be we

[2:26:53] Voice 9: don't want i guess what

[2:26:54] Voice 9: we don't want is to get a year and a half into the process and then we go oh you know what you never

[2:27:00] Voice 9: did that and and then it's uh we're trying to be very clear thank you very much so i think we've

[2:27:07] Voice 9: got the three motions anything else from the review anything else from you clarence and i

[2:27:13] Voice 9: hope we and thank you uh mr um galer for joining us this is still there and hopefully we'll be able

[2:27:20] Voice 9: to do something from that we'll be able to consider gl85 as well or in relatively near

[2:27:27] Voice 9: future there are things that happen enough that way okay thanks we're going to move on um thank

[2:27:33] Voice 10: you very much

[2:27:34] Voice 9: yes we just

[2:27:41] Voice 2: wanted to say thank you for your time and take care yeah

[2:27:43] Voice 9: i think we should

[2:27:45] Voice 9: take we've been in this for two and a half hours it's three o'clock five thousand five and then i

[2:27:51] Voice 9: have to go to get to the ferry so i'm going to suggest we take 10 10 well 12 minutes we'll come

[2:27:56] Voice 9: back in 350. okay okay and everybody can get some fresh air take their masks

[2:40:56] Voice 10: it's

[2:41:06] Voice 21: like it's unbelievable and

[2:41:26] Voice 12: i remember walking

[2:41:26] Voice 12: okay

[2:41:49] Voice 10: finish up your conversation

[2:42:14] Voice 21: thank you

[2:42:28] Voice 6: very much uh

[2:42:29] Voice 7: appreciate your diligence for still brock on soon or

[2:42:42] Voice 9: seeing the broadcast fire smith you're with us i do page um 70 which is which is a uh

[2:43:07] Voice 9: a short staff report on Crystal Mountain.

[2:43:11] Voice 9: If I could find page 70, turn it over to you,

[2:43:18] Voice 9: and effectively you're answering a series of questions

[2:43:21] Voice 9: that were asked by the local trust committee

[2:43:24] Voice 9: and giving us an update on some matters.

[2:43:26] Voice 9: But over to you, Clarence.

[2:43:27] Voice 9: My

[2:43:34] Voice 17: internet's just locked right now,

[2:43:36] Voice 17: so I can't quite get to the agenda package

[2:43:39] Voice 17: that's in front of me.

[2:43:42] Voice 17: But I think I can speak to what's in there anyways briefly,

[2:43:45] Voice 17: and you can have your deliberations from there.

[2:43:48] Voice 17: So essentially it's just an update

[2:43:49] Voice 17: to the local trust committee with respect

[2:43:51] Voice 17: to some questions that you brought forward

[2:43:53] Voice 17: at a previous meeting around the legality

[2:43:56] Voice 17: of the use of the term nonprofit,

[2:44:00] Voice 17: the application of day use limits.

[2:44:03] Voice 17: And there is a couple updates on the water management

[2:44:08] Voice 17: planning and the hydrological testing

[2:44:11] Voice 17: that they're working on.

[2:44:12] Voice 17: And there's one other item in that report

[2:44:14] Voice 17: that I can't place that you can remind me of.

[2:44:21] Voice 17: Trevor, I'm in a meeting right now.

[2:44:36] Voice 22: Sorry, Chair Rogers.

[2:44:37] Voice 17: I'm just gonna leave it there

[2:44:38] Voice 17: because my screen is still frozen.

[2:44:41] Voice 17: So it's a short report and I'm open to questions with LTC.

[2:44:47] Voice 9: Okay, so there are a number of analyses of a few things.

[2:44:53] Voice 9: One is restriction on maximum use.

[2:44:55] Voice 9: use one is you know use of non-profit terminology second third of definition of retreat user

[2:45:02] Voice 9: um and then there's some updates most more than anything else on the section 219 covenant and the

[2:45:10] Voice 9: uh some water issues that are awful so um do you have questions or for the planners um

[2:45:21] Voice 12: yes i had

[2:45:23] Voice 12: one question about the use of the non-profit terminology and that it's you know not recommended

[2:45:33] Voice 12: because it could be ultra virus and could be severed legally challenged so my question is

[2:45:42] Voice 12: would that have to be legally challenged by the property owner that would be the only challenge

[2:45:51] Voice 12: is that correct you

[2:45:55] Voice 9: want to take did you hear that question well we lost them all together okay

[2:46:14] Voice 12: so i mean i guess what is it that someone else like from the outside community could challenge

[2:46:24] Voice 12: legally well

[2:46:25] Voice 9: do you want my views

[2:46:26] Voice 12: yes okay i'm practicing

[2:46:29] Voice 9: ex-lawyer yes and so this is not a

[2:46:33] Voice 9: a lawyer's opinion, because I'm not technically a lawyer anymore, just so you know,

[2:46:37] Voice 9: before you start being a doctor or a nurse, I

[2:46:40] Voice 9: think

[2:46:41] Voice 9: that it would be

[2:46:44] Voice 9: a property owner, and I think the issue would be a subsequent owner.

[2:46:49] Voice 10: Right, so if they wanted to get rid of that. If

[2:46:51] Voice 9: they wanted to get rid of it, then whether

[2:46:53] Voice 9: or not it would be the clause that was in the bylaw,

[2:46:59] Voice 9: or if they wanted to change their status in some

[2:47:01] Voice 9: way uh the owner sorry uh them or a subsequent owner wanted to change the status and came along

[2:47:07] Voice 9: and said you know what i we don't think that's correct and it would require a either concession

[2:47:13] Voice 9: that was quote unquote ultra virus it's not really a term that i use would use in this context but um

[2:47:22] Voice 9: uh but uh or and then and then there would be there's always provision and bylaws that any any

[2:47:31] Voice 9: provision that's quote illegal or improper we can be severed and the rest of it remains

[2:47:36] Voice 9: so that would be the only way which that that would be the way in which there would be a

[2:47:44] Voice 9: challenge to the status of the bylaw

[2:47:48] Voice 12: that's what i thought do

[2:47:52] Voice 9: you hear any of

[2:47:53] Voice 6: that i see

[2:47:53] Voice 6: your parents so can you hear me brad

[2:48:05] Voice 12: no he's shaking his head you're

[2:48:13] Voice 6: muted i can't hear

[2:48:14] Voice 6: anything you're saying i can see you your camera's on but

[2:48:17] Voice 12: he used frozen to the

[2:48:24] Voice 9: internet in victoria

[2:48:27] Voice 12: your island is fine well

[2:48:30] Voice 9: i have a couple messages

[2:48:36] Voice 9: so that's my understanding of that that terminology and i

[2:48:41] Voice 9: do know despite some of

[2:48:43] Voice 9: we've received a number of pieces of correspondence um it the phraseology is the clause could be it

[2:48:52] Voice 9: doesn't say it is uh despite you know we've received a number of submissions correspondence

[2:48:58] Voice 9: that said well you know it's clearly illegal and it doesn't say that it says it could be

[2:49:04] Voice 9: yeah

[2:49:05] Voice 12: i would tend to bring their clothes in on the point that will the applicant have to pay

[2:49:10] Voice 12: a potential new owner or whatever would have to pay for that legal challenge and um and i think

[2:49:18] Voice 12: it's a d-spot uh piece of information in there so presumably if they didn't challenge the they would

[2:49:26] Voice 12: have to notify the ltc that that was their their uh plan do you think or

[2:49:36] Voice 10: i don't know what does

[2:49:37] Voice 12: that matter well no i mean just so that the the lgc would be aware that that a subsequent owner

[2:49:44] Voice 12: or the current owner was was wanting to remove that well i'm sure they'd be made aware yeah

[2:49:50] Voice 6: got aware

[2:49:51] Voice 9: because because the litigation started or they

[2:49:55] Voice 9: would they might send it

[2:49:58] Voice 9: so um yes so that i mean that is correct i mean i think the point is so everybody

[2:50:06] Voice 9: Everybody, totally, all this stuff will end up

[2:50:09] Voice 9: in the website.

[2:50:10] Voice 9: We've been receiving a fair amount of correspondence lately

[2:50:12] Voice 9: regarding CMS.

[2:50:14] Voice 9: And some of it says, see, it's not,

[2:50:17] Voice 9: some of it says, I'm paraphrasing it.

[2:50:19] Voice 9: So anybody who's watching, this is a paraphrase.

[2:50:22] Voice 9: It says, well, you see, you can't restrict it

[2:50:25] Voice 9: to a nonprofit basis.

[2:50:27] Voice 9: Therefore, it should be in the commercial zone

[2:50:29] Voice 9: because that's another weird rationale

[2:50:33] Voice 9: to put it in the commercial zone.

[2:50:35] Voice 9: because it can't be restricted to non-profits.

[2:50:37] Voice 9: So

[2:50:37] Voice 10: that's the rationale, and

[2:50:38] Voice 9: there's a point that you made there.

[2:50:40] Voice 9: So that's the reason why we're talking about it,

[2:50:42] Voice 9: but I contend with the reason you, Trustee Ruff, are aware of that.

[2:50:47] Voice 9: I guess before we go to discussion about any,

[2:50:50] Voice 9: unless you have some other questions,

[2:50:52] Voice 9: before we go to discussion about the staff report,

[2:50:54] Voice 9: because I have some things I want to say about the first part,

[2:50:57] Voice 9: which is the restrictions on maximum days.

[2:51:00] Voice 9: Who's representing CMS here today?

[2:51:03] Voice 12: depends on what subject you're talking to but keith erickson is here to speak about c19 and

[2:51:10] Voice 12: possibly water i don't have any

[2:51:12] Voice 9: questions about i guess my question is is there anything

[2:51:16] Voice 9: general you'd like to say about the stop recording um and i don't have any i i yeah

[2:51:24] Voice 9: i guess i'll say that who would like to speak i i

[2:51:27] Voice 12: would um just mention on the topic you just

[2:51:31] Voice 12: just touched on here that I've just been reminded

[2:51:35] Voice 12: by a board member that there's another layer

[2:51:39] Voice 12: to understanding if this land ever changed hands.

[2:51:43] Voice 12: If Crystal Mountain dissolved, Giselle you can explain

[2:51:47] Voice 12: what that would mean too, because that's another if.

[2:51:49] Voice 12: And that has to be in our law study.

[2:51:52] Voice 12: If we dissolve as a society, the assets have to go

[2:51:57] Voice 12: to an organization that has the same, I guess.

[2:52:04] Voice 12: The thing we can say is that we have to be

[2:52:07] Voice 12: in the capacity of a registered charity,

[2:52:10] Voice 12: not just a nonprofit.

[2:52:11] Voice 22: Yeah.

[2:52:13] Voice 12: So we're beyond the nonprofit, we're a registered charity.

[2:52:16] Voice 12: Yeah.

[2:52:17] Voice 12: Yeah.

[2:52:18] Voice 12: That's just a layer.

[2:52:19] Voice 9: Yeah, yeah.

[2:52:22] Voice 9: So like I said, there's a few items here

[2:52:24] Voice 9: that we may wanna talk about.

[2:52:25] Voice 9: we think there's other things we may not want to chat about there's not really a specific decision

[2:52:30] Voice 9: item from staff that they've asked us to make at this stage um however i i personally am going to

[2:52:36] Voice 9: want to talk a bit about the favors that i appreciate your comments on the restrictions

[2:52:40] Voice 9: on maximum days so everyone speak with that that would be my interest um i don't know what the

[2:52:46] Voice 9: other trustees why

[2:52:49] Voice 12: don't we just work through the the report too you

[2:52:52] Voice 9: can do that so that that's the

[2:52:55] Voice 9: only issue that to which i would invite you if anybody wishes to comment on the staff's

[2:53:00] Voice 9: recommendations about this and anything you'd like us to consider now this is not the last

[2:53:06] Voice 9: time anything we do here today is going to be considered but uh we could hold that up for you

[2:53:13] Voice 10: go ahead um

[2:53:16] Voice 12: in terms of maximum base um we've been just trying to compare it to other

[2:53:21] Voice 12: whether it's establishments, schools, whatever it is,

[2:53:25] Voice 12: we were wondering if we wouldn't just fall in line

[2:53:28] Voice 12: with every other institution and building anywhere in BC,

[2:53:34] Voice 12: which is, it falls on the fire department

[2:53:37] Voice 12: to determine the maximum occupants in a given building.

[2:53:44] Voice 12: So if we are an educational society

[2:53:47] Voice 12: and our teaching space

[2:53:48] Voice 11: is our main place

[2:53:50] Voice 11: where we're looking at you know a maximum of 30 students being there together isn't that a

[2:53:56] Voice 11: mechanism

[2:53:57] Voice 12: that can be used to um look at maximum maximum so

[2:54:02] Voice 9: i'll be i'll be the

[2:54:06] Voice 9: open about this if you were here for our conversation because i think it was me that

[2:54:11] Voice 9: sort of raised this issue is it wasn't a safety thing it wasn't a fire thing it was a impact on

[2:54:19] Voice 9: the community if you're asking us to rezone to allow for operations as large as it currently is

[2:54:28] Voice 9: and has been erased a number of times um well it's fine to say they can have 20 cuts

[2:54:35] Voice 9: by 22 people is there what what will stop them from having an event where there were 150

[2:54:45] Voice 9: I'm sorry, I don't mean to use the word that, for the CMS to have an event where 150, which

[2:54:55] Voice 9: could have a tremendous impact on the neighborhood, so that's what led to this conversation, it's

[2:55:05] Voice 9: the day use numbers that could impact, and it may not be your model, and I appreciate

[2:55:10] Voice 9: it's not remodeled but uh that's what raised this consideration at least in my my mind whether that

[2:55:17] Voice 9: would be a reasonable thing to do and whether we could even do it so if anybody wants to address

[2:55:22] Voice 9: that please well

[2:55:24] Voice 12: it's really up to um the the lawyers to determine if there's a mechanism

[2:55:32] Voice 12: where that can be released i guess um it's

[2:55:36] Voice 9: not about policing because we have lots of

[2:55:39] Voice 9: rules on the event it could be about bylaw enforcement yeah

[2:55:44] Voice 12: yeah sure i mean i chris

[2:55:47] Voice 12: i'm not

[2:55:47] Voice 9: trying to interrupt you but it's it's about the principle of it yeah

[2:55:53] Voice 9: but that's just that's our that's the consideration that we're that i understand this is

[2:55:59] Voice 9: yeah it's

[2:56:02] Voice 12: not our intention um but then there's this idea that you know if uh once a year or

[2:56:08] Voice 12: however many that time is there's uh there's 40 people or 50 you know is there a number of days

[2:56:15] Voice 12: in a year that we can specify just like the you know the along has 300 people um you know

[2:56:25] Voice 12: suddenly on a piece of land that is maybe not uh thought of as a land of old crowds

[2:56:32] Voice 12: crowds. But, you know, is there some way of putting that in our

[2:56:37] Voice 12: application that several days a year, we could exceed that that

[2:56:41] Voice 12: 30 up to a maximum of and then there's another number. And then

[2:56:47] Voice 12: it would be up to bylaw enforcement, you know, if we

[2:56:49] Voice 12: were doing that day after day, and the neighbors notice

[2:56:52] Voice 12: hundreds of cars that that's on bylaw enforcement called in, we

[2:56:56] Voice 12: don't have a problem at all.

[2:56:57] Voice 12: And

[2:56:58] Voice 9: so just to complete that, the use of the facilities as well and what that impact might have on the sewerage and the water use, et cetera.

[2:57:08] Voice 9: But the large numbers showed up on even on one.

[2:57:12] Voice 9: Sorry, I'm doing all the talking.

[2:57:16] Voice 12: I was wondering if a special event license is ever used or the special events that.

[2:57:29] Voice 12: occur on the island, you know, and I don't know that. I don't

[2:57:35] Voice 12: know, maybe, you know, sorry. Yeah, like

[2:57:39] Voice 12: for the walk along or

[2:57:40] Voice 12: for the software.

[2:57:49] Voice 10: My time, soccer tournaments,

[2:57:53] Voice 5: we did at one point, we need to get

[2:57:58] Voice 5: a some kind of endorsement from the local trust committee in order to have a liquor license

[2:58:05] Voice 5: and event at the at the school field which and that was then disbanded because of the inefficiency

[2:58:14] and of

[2:58:16] Voice 5: other in terms of any small you know groups trying to get an ltc to pass a resolution

[2:58:22] Voice 5: and then school board are getting involved in all that.

[2:58:25] Voice 5: So that's my own personal experience.

[2:58:28] Voice 9: I have no actual professional experience.

[2:58:32] Voice 9: The other option is you can use the temporary use permit option,

[2:58:38] Voice 9: which they use on Gabriel and on Maine from time to time

[2:58:41] Voice 9: for farmers markets or other events where they see,

[2:58:46] Voice 9: which are outside of the use that's prescribed on the zoning.

[2:58:51] Voice 9: I mean, it's

[2:58:52] Voice 10: convoluted, but you can do it.

[2:58:55] Voice 14: I guess the problem I would see with the TV is the cost, and at what point would that be initiated?

[2:59:02] Voice 14: Like, is it 35 people for a $2,000 application?

[2:59:07] Voice 14: Just thinking of the, you know, I'm not really sure.

[2:59:11] Voice 14: I'm not saying one way or the other, just considering the implications and where those...

[2:59:15] Voice 14: yeah i

[2:59:16] Voice 9: guess you're all talking about the cms and i was looking for a representative to talk

[2:59:20] Voice 9: but go ahead well

[2:59:21] Voice 3: i'm not i'm not setting myself up as representative i just want

[2:59:24] Voice 9: to throw out a

[2:59:24] Voice 9: suggestion

[2:59:25] Voice 3: well this

[2:59:26] Voice 9: is not a community conversation this is i'm talking to the

[2:59:29] Voice 9: representative cms so okay if you are

[2:59:32] Voice 9: if you want to put yourself up as a representative cms that's

[2:59:35] Voice 9: fine okay

[2:59:36] Voice 3: i'll do that the uh the thing is that i'm just wondering if there are models already

[2:59:42] Voice 3: already within the trust.

[2:59:43] Voice 3: For example, if the planners could see

[2:59:46] Voice 3: what goes on in Mount Guam,

[2:59:47] Voice 3: what mechanism they use for that

[2:59:51] Voice 3: in the currently existing retreat centers,

[2:59:53] Voice 3: they'd be curious to think that might set the model up.

[3:00:00] Voice 12: I have looked at the bylaws on Fulton Springs and

[3:00:03] Voice 14: Dunman and I didn't see anything specific about Dave's.

[3:00:06] Voice 14: I

[3:00:06] Voice 9: think it's an unusual proposal, but

[3:00:10] Voice 9: I guess my consideration is I'm trying to take into account the objections that we've received and the ones that I think are reasonable and those that I think, and I think that the impact on the surrounding community and the neighborhood surrounding is a reasonable concern.

[3:00:28] Voice 9: you don't grant uh applications for tup for short-term vacation rental if there's already

[3:00:37] Voice 9: if it's going to have a big impact on the community so this is one of those things

[3:00:41] Voice 9: but uh i i don't know what the actual number is um you know that i know that the that you know

[3:00:52] Voice 9: you're going to have some stuff they're going to be staying in the house and they're going to be

[3:00:55] Voice 9: up to 22 people living in the in the uh 17

[3:01:00] Voice 12: 17 and then five five campsites

[3:01:05] Voice 9: yeah so you're gonna have 22 uh participants that are staying there

[3:01:12] Voice 9: and so you know you've got 22 is is it unreasonable it's a limit to

[3:01:25] Voice 12: Yes, it's a reasonable,

[3:01:27] Voice 7: but

[3:01:30] Voice 12: in

[3:01:39] Voice 3: our history, for example, we had a, say, a Burmese teacher

[3:01:43] Voice 3: come here to the island with quite a lot of Islanders who wanted to meet him or see what

[3:01:48] Voice 3: he was about and that day this was quite a number of years ago it was all local people that showed

[3:01:54] Voice 3: up quite a number it was for the installation of the boat

[3:01:56] Voice 24: they

[3:01:57] Voice 3: brought these relics from vernon

[3:01:59] Voice 3: so people were really curious about that so things like that can happen i don't know the mechanism

[3:02:05] Voice 3: for that i wouldn't want to say we just i mean obviously we can inform people of it ahead of time

[3:02:11] Voice 21: yeah

[3:02:12] Voice 3: there's a minimum so

[3:02:16] Voice 9: what do you think you can think about that so we can move on uh i think

[3:02:21] Voice 12: there's something valuable in which rogers is dancing and i do think it's hard to um

[3:02:37] Voice 12: but also if it was for 10 days it would be easier to enforce because it'd be ongoing and really

[3:02:45] Voice 12: would be the issue i would think is an ongoing higher density or higher intensity use of the

[3:02:52] Voice 12: the property. So you had the way he said 35, except for one day

[3:03:02] Voice 12: per year or two days per year, when a special event might

[3:03:06] Voice 14: exceptional circumstances. Yeah. You know, they,

[3:03:09] Voice 14: you know,

[3:03:10] Voice 12: similar to it

[3:03:11] Voice 14: gives me with a mechanism that leads to

[3:03:15] Voice 14: um well

[3:03:17] Voice 9: okay so what happened one or two days a year well

[3:03:22] Voice 12: as the sponsor was safe if they had

[3:03:25] Voice 12: a guest who came and there were more than 35 people you know that would allow for them to

[3:03:32] Voice 12: have more than 35 people well

[3:03:34] Voice 14: you wouldn't have a continuous no we

[3:03:36] Voice 14: wouldn't have a possibility

[3:03:36] Voice 14: of continuous um higher amounts of people if this is what i mean i recognize the saying that

[3:03:43] But it's important that they were assured that it's not just

[3:03:48] Voice 12: an ongoing large capacity.

[3:03:52] Voice 9: Surely there should at least be no occasion to do it.

[3:03:58] Voice 9: So, Planner Smith, are you back with us?

[3:04:02] Voice 9: There he is.

[3:04:05] Voice 9: How much of this conversation have you heard?

[3:04:08] Voice 17: Quite a bit of it from when you started discussing with the applicant.

[3:04:12] Voice 17: If you have any questions regarding my report, it's now in front of me.

[3:04:16] Voice 9: Okay, so thank you. So you've heard some of our conversation. So can I just ask

[3:04:22] Voice 9: you, if we wanted to put a restriction, I know that you say it would be inserted in the bylaw as opposed to a cover. Is that the way you would understand

[3:04:34] Voice 9: it to work?

[3:04:35] Voice 17: I would, yes. Correct.

[3:04:40] Voice 17: And

[3:04:40] Voice 9: could we, is it possible for it to be drafted in such a way that it was required

[3:04:47] Voice 9: that if there was a special event, say once a year or whatever the number might be, that

[3:04:53] Voice 9: it would have to be given to the surrounding community of the event or something of that

[3:04:59] Voice 9: nature?

[3:05:01] Voice 17: I don't know the

[3:05:02] Voice 17: answer to that part, the second part.

[3:05:05] Voice 17: Right.

[3:05:06] Voice 17: But you could direct staff to.

[3:05:09] Voice 9: yeah so i mean i know that i've been driving this conversation but i i one of those things

[3:05:15] Voice 9: that i've heard from neighbors that i think resonated with me um and uh or some of the

[3:05:23] Voice 9: neighbors uh and so i would like to see some uh language uh drafted for bylaw number 257

[3:05:31] Voice 9: to set daily visitor use at 35, subject to a once-a-year exception for notification for

[3:05:53] Voice 9: the community. That sort of just sets some parameters, and we can talk at a later date.

[3:06:02] Voice 9: We can talk as we work our way through this as to whether that's the right number, whether

[3:06:07] Voice 9: whether one's acceptance is the right number

[3:06:09] Voice 9: or whether

[3:06:10] Voice 9: two is the right number or what,

[3:06:12] Voice 9: all those things, but at least that would get it

[3:06:15] Voice 9: on the table for discussion.

[3:06:17] Voice 9: So I don't usually make motions,

[3:06:20] Voice 9: but I'm gonna make that one.

[3:06:22] Voice 9: If you get that in turn, I expect you did.

[3:06:24] Voice 9: And it's seconded by Trustee Rock.

[3:06:26] Voice 9: So I'm gonna call a vote on that.

[3:06:35] Voice 9: So we'll see a proposal on that.

[3:06:37] Voice 9: act uh the next one was the use of the non-profit terminology you spoke a little bit about that

[3:06:45] Voice 9: already uh trustee probably thought it would be best to just believe it in the for now at least

[3:06:51] Voice 9: in the in the bylaw anybody want to say anything different about that no um then there's a then

[3:07:03] Voice 9: there's a definition of retreat user um and there's a this is a this is a this is a draft

[3:07:10] Voice 9: do you put together five minutes correct okay questions for the player regarding that definition

[3:07:21] Voice 9: anything from the applicant

[3:07:26] Voice 9: um

[3:07:26] Voice 12: just going back to this idea of day use looking at our 40-year history on the island

[3:07:33] Voice 12: and we have survived these numbers.

[3:07:35] Voice 12: We have, other than the erecting of the pagoda,

[3:07:41] Voice 12: which was on lot nine,

[3:07:42] Voice 12: we have not exceeded 30 on the land.

[3:07:46] Voice 12: Even at our highest moments of teachings,

[3:07:50] Voice 12: even, you know, group pulling, parties,

[3:07:53] Voice 12: all of the things, we have never exceeded 30.

[3:07:56] Voice 12: So I think it is worth weighing out the history

[3:07:58] Voice 12: of what we've done

[3:07:59] Voice 12: and then the concerns that are coming

[3:08:02] Voice 12: through fears of untrustworthiness.

[3:08:05] Voice 12: We've said that we wouldn't have more than 17 people

[3:08:09] Voice 12: in those huts.

[3:08:11] Voice 12: I think that you're waiting out history

[3:08:13] Voice 12: and fears of untrustworthiness.

[3:08:17] Voice 12: And I think that there's a qualitative difference there

[3:08:21] Voice 12: that needs to be considered.

[3:08:23] Voice 12: Well,

[3:08:24] Voice 9: we've already passed the motion.

[3:08:25] Voice 9: So when it comes

[3:08:26] Voice 9: back to us,

[3:08:27] Voice 9: you can address it again if you want to.

[3:08:29] Voice 9: I thought for a minute,

[3:08:31] Voice 9: you were going to try and convince us to reduce it to 30 from 35. no

[3:08:35] Voice 22: no because

[3:08:36] Voice 9: i'd be open to that

[3:08:39] Voice 12: i think the points were

[3:08:46] Voice 12: yes okay

[3:08:47] Voice 9: um thank you for that but i'm sorry i don't need to be

[3:08:51] Voice 9: uh um we do have the definition of retreat user did anybody wish to address that on cms

[3:09:00] Voice 9: there's a proposed definition from um put into the bylaw as part of these does anybody have

[3:09:08] Voice 9: any commentary on that any questions from you know i already asked that any questions

[3:09:13] Voice 9: any commentary from me i'm not seeing anything

[3:09:17] Voice 3: okay uh a retreat user is someone who attends

[3:09:24] Voice 3: a retreat right and participates in an audition well yeah

[3:09:30] Voice 23: yeah that's what the definition is

[3:09:31] Voice 23: have a discussion in here i think it's quite appropriate okay

[3:09:39] Voice 12: uh retreat user means a person who is a registered participant and who typically stays

[3:09:51] Voice 12: who and who take out the back and back okay

[3:09:57] Voice 9: do you need a motion for that

[3:09:59] Voice 9: are you frozen again i

[3:10:01] Voice 12: don't think it needs emulsions that's just a minor he's frozen again

[3:10:14] Voice 9: we'll need to uh okay then we better pass the motion i'm

[3:10:18] Voice 17: still here it's just in different

[3:10:20] Voice 17: windows uh i don't need a motion if you want to change that to who there but i do need a motion

[3:10:25] Voice 17: motion for you to, well, you could insert a-

[3:10:30] Voice 6: Put the definition of retreat user in.

[3:10:33] Voice 17: As amended.

[3:10:34] Voice 17: Right, so

[3:10:35] Voice 6: then we'll take

[3:10:38] Voice 9: a motion that the LTC

[3:10:41] Voice 9: request staff put the definition of retreat user

[3:10:46] Voice 9: as amended, as provided and as amended into the bylaw 257.

[3:10:56] Voice 9: Yeah, trustee, we're listening, trustee, go a rough color seconds will pass that.

[3:11:06] Voice 9: Okay, so is there the rest of them seeing more of the updates that anything else?

[3:11:14] Voice 9: Trustee, do you have any questions related to the section 219, covenants, et cetera?

[3:11:20] Voice 9: Go ahead, Trustee.

[3:11:20] Voice 9: I

[3:11:21] Voice 12: just said this is a new proposal, this forest cover protection,

[3:11:28] Voice 12: to have a specific amount right so we haven't that hasn't that's only just come to this meeting

[3:11:37] Voice 12: right

[3:11:37] Voice 9: that's on what page it is i saw 72

[3:11:41] Voice 12: 71 72 the bottom 71 no but

[3:11:46] Voice 7: wasn't there an email about this

[3:11:53] Voice 12: It's

[3:11:53] Voice 9: on page 83, which is that there's a proposal or a suggestion that they maintain at least 60% natural cover on the land.

[3:12:04] Voice 9: So that would be on the remainder land, the land that they would own. Is that correct, Clarence?

[3:12:11] Voice 10: Correct.

[3:12:12] Voice 9: Do you want to speak to that at all?

[3:12:18] Voice 16: Nope.

[3:12:20] Voice 16: Okay.

[3:12:22] Voice 17: i think i think that's been ltc directed staff to investigate with the applicant

[3:12:29] Voice 17: a forest cover proposal this is what the applicant is bringing back

[3:12:33] Voice 17: and as i indicate there i think it's a reasonable way to demonstrate forest cover but it would

[3:12:42] Voice 17: there would maybe challenges with monitoring over time and capacity around

[3:12:46] Voice 17: around baseline reporting and an assessment of that baseline.

[3:12:51] Voice 17: I'd also say that I think there are a lot of other ways

[3:12:55] Voice 17: that you already go about protecting forest cover

[3:12:57] Voice 17: if this was approved in that the 75% land transfer

[3:13:01] Voice 17: would protect all of that forest

[3:13:03] Voice 17: and the layout of the relatively modest structures

[3:13:08] Voice 17: on the land base,

[3:13:10] Voice 17: a lot of them would be situated within forest cover.

[3:13:16] Voice 17: So, I think you'd be protecting a lot of the forest cover with other covenant conditions, but that's up to LTC to decide really.

[3:13:25] Voice 9: I'm gathering that this is where this 90% number we heard about a couple of times today from people who were speaking comes from is the combination of 75% of set-aside plus the proposal for 60% under .

[3:13:41] Voice 9: i would

[3:13:49] Voice 17: say also ignore yeah

[3:13:50] Voice 17: also acknowledging their their their development for their larger

[3:13:54] Voice 17: structures other than the the primary dwelling in the lower portion are largely in areas that

[3:13:58] Voice 17: are already uh developed um so it's really just the huts you're talking about in the lower part

[3:14:05] Voice 17: And really, those huts could probably be designed in a way to maintain almost all the forest cover with other tree protection and siting mechanisms.

[3:14:18] Voice 9: Questions from the trustees regarding the staff report about any of this?

[3:14:23] Voice 12: I'm just wondering when the water management plan will be available to have a look at.

[3:14:30] Voice 12: um

[3:14:30] Voice 17: so staff are just getting to providing comments back to the applicant and uh we'll bring

[3:14:37] Voice 17: that back uh in the new year

[3:14:39] Voice 9: probably the i think february 1st is our next meeting

[3:14:44] Voice 17: potentially it

[3:14:45] Voice 17: depends on we haven't talked about that agenda yet with uh rpm kojima but february or march

[3:14:51] Voice 17: depending i guess when they get uh their water report as well that they're working on to us that

[3:14:57] Voice 17: that could be brought forward.

[3:14:59] Voice 17: And that water report may also help

[3:15:02] Voice 17: to further inform water management plan considerations.

[3:15:06] Voice 9: I'm sorry, I get lost in all the applications

[3:15:09] Voice 9: and perhaps I have no material here

[3:15:12] Voice 9: or somebody else can answer this.

[3:15:14] Voice 9: What's the status of all the water license applications?

[3:15:18] Voice 17: It's ongoing, they've applied

[3:15:20] Voice 17: and they're waiting their turn

[3:15:22] Voice 17: with the provincial regulator.

[3:15:28] Voice 17: and is there any further direction there from LTC in terms of wanting to proceed with what they're proposing or wanting to propose something different or just wanting to move on without a forest cover Covenant condition.

[3:15:54] Voice 9: motion to staff to include the proposal of the applicant in the section 219 covenant related to

[3:16:05] Voice 9: forest cover yeah that would

[3:16:07] Voice 9: be good and that's been moved by trustee wilberton seconded by

[3:16:12] Voice 9: trustee rockefeller and of course i mean we may get some commentary on that but i think it's

[3:16:17] Voice 9: around that um but that's a place to get it in the cover yeah

[3:16:25] Voice 12: i would say it's a it would be

[3:16:28] Voice 14: if we're you know trust committee duties president and that'd be a pretty cool president 60 percent

[3:16:34] Voice 9: okay so i'll i'll call the moon on that uh all the bigger that passes and i'm sure you got um

[3:16:45] Voice 9: um yeah

[3:16:46] Voice 23: just going back to the water thing for just a second um the water management plan was

[3:16:53] Voice 23: submitted on august the fourth and we understand that brad and william are working on that and

[3:16:59] Voice 23: they're going to have information for us in the next two to three weeks right and the data logger

[3:17:04] Voice 23: information is due in january right so hopefully you will find a space for us on the february

[3:17:10] Voice 23: agenda yeah

[3:17:12] Voice 9: why do i think all our applications are going

[3:17:15] Voice 22: to cross together

[3:17:16] Voice 22: but yes

[3:17:21] Voice 9: i hope so anything further related to water no anything further related to water from

[3:17:30] Voice 9: you no any other questions related to any of we've got the water management plan the data logger

[3:17:38] Voice 9: of the covenants um i think that takes us through your report i'll just i'll just ask the applicant

[3:17:44] Voice 9: whether you have any further commentary you'd like to make and thank you for all of your letters

[3:17:49] Voice 9: and your commentary yeah small

[3:17:54] Voice 12: detail and that is that there's two data loggers i think that

[3:17:58] Voice 12: they didn't make it into the report there are two okay okay

[3:18:03] Voice 21: uh

[3:18:04] Voice 12: permanently or sorry

[3:18:08] Voice 12: sorry. Yeah, the observation. Thank

[3:18:11] Voice 9: you. Further on before we

[3:18:14] Voice 9: move on. Thanks for the report. And we're going to see where we

[3:18:22] Voice 9: get to by February. And we I will say this, I will say this.

[3:18:32] Voice 9: I want every, because I know a lot of people who wrote to us

[3:18:35] Voice 9: aren't here today is that um we have all of the um i guess there were five papers that were given to

[3:18:44] Voice 9: us um related to the application and considerations that were raised and all of them are still very

[3:18:52] Voice 9: much you know on our agenda to consider as we go forward as we consider um uh what the appropriate

[3:19:00] Voice 9: appropriate way to deal with this application is. And, you know, I read them all again last night, because I wanted to make sure I was up to date and provide a perspective of this that we are listening to. So I just wanted to say that. Yeah.

[3:19:24] Voice 3: All of this closes in on election dates, because we've passed many cycles on election dates where, you know, we missed the window and have to start all over again.

[3:19:36] Voice 3: So that's very much on our minds, but also on the other people's minds.

[3:19:41] Voice 9: I don't know what's on the other people's minds. I don't speak for themselves.

[3:19:45] Voice 3: obviously they won't say that but it's regrind back in the past i just wanted you know uh in

[3:19:51] Voice 3: minutes that that is something we've seen before yeah so

[3:19:55] Voice 9: we're we're um we're doing our work in a

[3:19:59] Voice 9: as timely a fashion in a thorough fashion and we do this with all of our applications

[3:20:04] Voice 9: we move them through methodically frankly i am not paying any attention to the fact that

[3:20:09] Voice 9: the election coming up i will be the chair of this ltc until the november meeting uh even though the

[3:20:17] Voice 9: election may have passed um and so i i have i know there is much work to be done that the three of us

[3:20:24] Voice 9: can do uh in that time period so good thank you yeah i

[3:20:29] Voice 23: just wanted to because i think a whole

[3:20:31] Voice 23: bunch of us are going to get up and leave yeah i just kind of wanted to say excuse us yeah thank

[3:20:37] Voice 12: Thank you, thank you.

[3:20:37] Voice 12: Okay,

[3:20:38] Voice 9: well, thank you.

[3:20:39] Voice 9: I'll let you go.

[3:20:41] Voice 9: We're going to move on to the GIGR.

[3:20:43] Voice 9: You don't want to stay with her.

[3:20:44] Voice 9: I'm going to have a brief presentation by Clarence Smith.

[3:20:47] Voice 17: Can I just ask a quick clarification

[3:20:49] Voice 17: with respect to where you landed

[3:20:51] Voice 17: on the not-for-profit bylaw provision?

[3:20:55] Voice 6: We wanted to leave it in.

[3:20:57] Voice 6: We didn't take any action on it, so it's staying there.

[3:21:00] Voice 17: Thank you.

[3:21:00] Voice 17: So,

[3:21:05] Voice 9: we now have a request late last week from the consultant to just give us a brief update on where they're at.

[3:21:17] Voice 9: And so there's no decision items on our agenda for today related to the Gators application.

[3:21:25] Voice 9: But we have, and I agree to allow, mostly so I could meet Melanie.

[3:21:34] Voice 9: Is it Melanie?

[3:21:35] Voice 9: I'm going to mispronounce that.

[3:21:36] Voice 9: I'm sorry.

[3:21:37] Voice 10: It's Eleni.

[3:21:40] Voice 10: Oh, yes, sir.

[3:21:44] Voice 9: And to make a presentation related to the status of where things are at right now.

[3:21:49] Voice 9: Just letting people leave the room.

[3:22:00] Voice 1: Great.

[3:22:01] Voice 1: Thank

[3:22:01] Voice 9: you, Chair Rogers.

[3:22:02] Voice 9: Nice to meet

[3:22:03] Voice 1: you.

[3:22:04] Voice 1: Yeah, thank you for your flexibility and getting us on the agenda last minute.

[3:22:09] Voice 1: So for Trustee Rockefeller and yourself, Chair Rogers, my name is Eleni Gibson, and I'm a

[3:22:15] Voice 1: development consulting with Wiser Projects.

[3:22:18] Voice 1: And we've been engaged by Giggers to help move their rezoning application along.

[3:22:23] Voice 1: And we'll likely continue work beyond that as the project unfolds.

[3:22:28] Voice 1: And so we've been spending the last couple of months catching up on the project.

[3:22:32] Voice 1: Our goal is to sort of take over the management of the rezoning process from Giggers and take that off their hand as it's been pushed forward really competently by a volunteer board.

[3:22:44] Voice 1: But we're just looking to help them out. So I'm just going to give a really quick recap today about where the project is at.

[3:22:52] Voice 1: Just so the local trust committee is aware. And yeah, just let you know what our next steps are and what we're planning for the coming months.

[3:23:01] Voice 1: um so as you're familiar this is about a 10 unit affordable housing project proposed for

[3:23:06] Voice 1: georgia view road um and the rezoning has been submitted and has had a first reading

[3:23:12] Voice 1: um we've been having ongoing communication with staff about next steps and what's required

[3:23:17] Voice 1: and currently we're working on a few different pieces um that will be needed to move the

[3:23:22] Voice 1: application forward uh as well as that we have we're in the process of engaging an architect

[3:23:27] Voice 1: to help refine some of the site planning and the elevations which are going to form part of that rezoning application and likely will form part of the covenant that's going to be registered on title.

[3:23:40] Voice 1: So we're hoping to have an architect engaged in the coming weeks to start refining and really looking in a bit more detail at that site plan and building design.

[3:23:50] Voice 1: design. We're looking at some of the technical reports that have been requested for the rezoning,

[3:23:56] Voice 1: such as the water management plan. We're getting an arborist report and the water data logging

[3:24:03] Voice 1: report as well. We've had communications with staff about several of those and are moving

[3:24:10] Voice 1: those along. We are also working sort of in the background on that section 219 covenant

[3:24:17] Voice 1: that's planned to be registered on title.

[3:24:19] Voice 1: And it's moving closer to sort of a final draft,

[3:24:23] Voice 1: but there was just one piece concerning an LTC request

[3:24:27] Voice 1: to restrict the use of groundwater at that site,

[3:24:30] Voice 1: which Giggers and the community have some concerns about.

[3:24:34] Voice 1: And I believe this was outlined

[3:24:37] Voice 1: at the November LTC meeting

[3:24:38] Voice 1: and a package that Giggers submitted prior to that.

[3:24:42] Voice 1: um and as well we are revisiting revisiting the rental structure for the project i know

[3:24:49] Voice 1: that previously um when this project has been brought forward um there was sort of an assumption

[3:24:55] Voice 1: being used that it would be funded through the bc housing community housing fund program that

[3:25:00] Voice 1: had a very prescriptive rental structure um but because that fund is highly competitive

[3:25:05] Voice 1: uh we don't want to restrict ourselves to um to that specific rental structure because it doesn't

[3:25:11] Voice 1: necessarily work with other funding programs that are available so we're just looking at the

[3:25:16] Voice 1: different funding programs that could be available um and looking at how the project could be viable

[3:25:21] Voice 1: under those different ones um once we've sort of determined the best option for that um we

[3:25:27] Voice 1: plan on writing a letter to the ldc outlining the rental structure that we we would be proposing

[3:25:32] Voice 1: proposing. And we are considering several different options. A viable option would likely

[3:25:41] Voice 1: be the CMHC co-investment fund. Because the land is essentially being donated, that's

[3:25:47] Voice 1: considered a major investment in the project. So CMHC will come to the table when we have

[3:25:52] Voice 1: that land secured. And for example, their definition of affordability is that at least

[3:26:00] Voice 1: 30% of the units must be less than 80% of the median market rent. So the average rent

[3:26:05] Voice 1: and maintained for 20 years. So that would be kind of a baseline we might look at as like

[3:26:12] Voice 1: worst case scenario financially, that would be the minimum level of affordability that we might

[3:26:16] Voice 1: consider. And then as we secure additional funding and financing options, we can deepen that level of

[3:26:22] Voice 1: affordability. So there's a lot of moving parts and it's complex to figure out where that sweet

[3:26:28] Voice 1: spot is between financial viability and affordability but that's what we're working

[3:26:33] Voice 1: on right now and we hope in the new year to have to present something to the ltc on that front

[3:26:39] Voice 1: um so those are the major things that we're working on right now um i do also want to note

[3:26:45] Voice 1: um colleen dotey who's on the board of giggers is on the call as well and she noted that um there

[3:26:51] Voice 1: was a nine page consultation record for the project um and it is posted on the islands trust

[3:26:57] Voice 1: Trust website. So that's available if any members of the public are interested. And also, item 11.1

[3:27:06] Voice 1: of the last meeting, the November LTC meeting, stated that the November 2nd letter and package

[3:27:13] Voice 1: from Giggers would be posted on the Islands Trust website, and I don't believe it has been posted

[3:27:18] Voice 1: yet. So we were just wondering if there was a plan for when that might get posted to the website.

[3:27:23] Voice 1: site. I think that's everything that I had. Colleen, you can jump in if you, if I missed

[3:27:30] Voice 1: anything. But yeah, we just wanted to let you know that we're working on all these things with

[3:27:34] Voice 1: background. And similar to some other proponents that have been on the meeting today, we are hoping

[3:27:40] Voice 1: to have sort of everything packaged together in the new year for that February agenda.

[3:27:47] Voice 19: Thanks, Eleni. Just one thing I would clarify. It's 12 units, not the 10.

[3:27:53] Voice 19: Apologies, yeah, 12 p.m.

[3:27:58] Voice 9: Do you have any questions, Trustee Ortega?

[3:28:02] Voice 9: Okay, so I think we have a couple.

[3:28:05] Voice 9: The one I have is, yes, we have heard about the issue of the,

[3:28:12] Voice 9: this is more a question, perhaps a question for Planner Smith.

[3:28:17] Voice 9: I have heard about the, and we have heard about the issue

[3:28:21] Voice 9: of the Section 219 covenant as it relates to possible water

[3:28:27] Voice 9: with the irrigation and i guess planet smith i mean my thinking is is that in the ordinary course

[3:28:37] Voice 9: it might be included in the covenant with the flag that the that or not included or whatever

[3:28:43] Voice 9: when the covenant comes with a flag saying that the the proponent doesn't agree to this but that

[3:28:51] Voice 9: that's what was directed and then we could be considered whether in sort of in that context

[3:28:56] Voice 9: of the whole covenant whether or not that was a clause to have in there is that does that sound

[3:29:01] Voice 9: like a the way it normally happens honest myth or do you think it should take a different direction

[3:29:07] Voice 9: i

[3:29:08] Voice 17: would say that given the direction we've been provided today that's how we would proceed

[3:29:13] Voice 17: and that our legal counsel is of the view that covenant restricting groundwater is legal and

[3:29:20] Voice 17: valid and and it's really ultimately up to LTC to decide if they want that provision included

[3:29:30] Voice 17: or not it's out of steps right

[3:29:32] Voice 9: so there's yeah there's two issues that arise one is

[3:29:35] Voice 9: they don't think it's it's appropriately legal provision the second is whether it should be in

[3:29:44] Voice 9: there at all and I appreciate that you that they have they have made both of those points to us

[3:29:50] Voice 9: And I was thinking more of a procedural way to sort of allow it to proceed so that the Covenant can come back to us.

[3:30:00] Voice 9: can consider the representations we've received as to whether it's appropriate um i would like

[3:30:05] Voice 14: one comment because i was after rereading the november second email i was wondering if the

[3:30:10] Voice 14: applicants fully understood the request for the restrictive groundwater it's not for indoor use

[3:30:17] Voice 14: it was because the water management plan provided by the applicant suggested

[3:30:22] Voice 12: there would not be

[3:30:23] Voice 12: enough water for the irrigation purposes your own hydrogeologist said that so i proposed that there

[3:30:30] Voice 12: be a restriction on uh outdoor water use to ensure that the development would have enough water

[3:30:37] Voice 12: to sustain it to the dry lands just for clarity yes

[3:30:42] Voice 19: and we certainly understood that and that

[3:30:44] Voice 19: That covenant came on the heels of rescinding the gray water feasibility study.

[3:30:51] Voice 19: So with regard to the garden size, that was later revised in one of our further additions to the water management plan.

[3:31:02] Voice 19: And at that point in time, at the meeting, Trustee Rockefeller, when you made the motion for the Section 219 covenant restriction,

[3:31:12] Voice 19: We had not yet received any detailed comments back yet from the planner or William Shuba on our water management plan that we had submitted for the spring.

[3:31:26] Voice 19: So to have that restrictive covenant put forward in the summer before, you know, talking with the applicants and clarifying the garden size, I mean, the simpler option is simply to reduce the size of the garden, which we have already in a subsequent draft.

[3:31:48] Voice 19: And then that satisfies everybody. We're not going to run out of water. And we have our water license already issued by the province. And they've already looked at all the data and the science and the evidence around that supply.

[3:32:03] Voice 19: so

[3:32:05] Voice 17: it's my understanding that the province didn't consider an irrigation an irrigation volume that

[3:32:12] Voice 17: was proposed by the applicant for your garden needs or your other outdoor maintenance washing

[3:32:18] Voice 17: cars washing concrete needs uh further the province uh you applied for an 11 cubic meter per day

[3:32:26] Voice 17: volume per annum and the province has actually only regulated the allowance of 8.7 cubic meters

[3:32:34] Voice 17: per average over the year so the province has actually allocated less water than you've actually

[3:32:41] Voice 17: requested and so your calculations don't consider that that outdoor use and so I can certainly see

[3:32:50] Voice 17: why trustee rockefeller uh sought to restrict the use of that water so

[3:32:55] Voice 9: rather than getting this is

[3:32:57] Voice 9: what i think was my point rather than getting so

[3:33:00] Voice 17: so back to the process yeah

[3:33:02] Voice 17: water

[3:33:02] Voice 9: management plan is vetted by staff let us have a chance to look at that let us see the new

[3:33:09] Voice 9: plan regarding what the irrigation is the motion could stand as presented and then we could look

[3:33:17] Voice 9: at it and say like with any section provision of the section 219 covenant and say okay this

[3:33:23] Voice 9: is what staff has brought the applicant doesn't agree to one two three provisions i mean i know

[3:33:29] Voice 9: you try and work them all out in advance but then we can flag two or three of them as you can do

[3:33:36] Voice 9: with the affordable housing and then we can decide which way is going to go so

[3:33:40] Voice 17: so we have submitted

[3:33:42] Voice 17: the covenant to our lawyers they've drafted a covenant that includes this clause we've provided

[3:33:48] Voice 17: that to the applicants legal counsel they've reviewed that covenant and the only real flag

[3:33:55] Voice 17: that they've raised is with that clause that said the covenant at this point doesn't include

[3:34:03] Voice 17: water management plan conditions that will be further developed so I think your pathway is

[3:34:09] Voice 17: correct chair rogers we would bring a draft covenant back to ltc for consideration uh at

[3:34:14] Voice 17: this point uh staff are directed to include that clause which we would and we could also bring the

[3:34:20] Voice 17: water management plan as well as the water management uh or the water report that they are

[3:34:25] Voice 17: required to provide and we'll have those two pieces of critical information to further inform

[3:34:33] Voice 17: your decision making around groundwater restrictions

[3:34:35] Voice 9: i didn't mean to open up a debate

[3:34:38] Voice 9: around this i was just looking at a potential because eleni had flagged this the other question

[3:34:43] Voice 9: that she flagged was was um uh gather there was some there was a submission that was made that

[3:34:49] Voice 9: hasn't made the the website yet but i'm guessing that's just

[3:34:53] Voice 9: caught up in our

[3:34:57] Voice 9: or it

[3:34:58] Voice 17: could just be missed if you want to forward me whatever that was i can make sure that it gets

[3:35:02] Voice 17: posted and

[3:35:04] Voice 9: there was a third point that uh eleni raised i don't remember what it is is there

[3:35:08] Voice 9: something else i'm missing

[3:35:09] Voice 9: uh eleni that i that you'd like us to address uh

[3:35:13] Voice 1: no i don't think

[3:35:14] Voice 1: there was any um other any other comments we were specifically looking for i had just mentioned that

[3:35:20] Voice 1: our consultation record was was on the website just based on what

[3:35:23] Voice 1: we heard earlier but yeah

[3:35:25] Voice 6: thank

[3:35:25] Voice 9: you for that thank you for that any other questions from trustee rockefeller related to this

[3:35:30] Voice 9: thank you

[3:35:32] Voice 17: can i just make

[3:35:33] Voice 17: one further point i just want to make the point that with the submission of

[3:35:36] Voice 17: a revised rental structure that would allow staff to then reconsider the terms in the housing

[3:35:42] Voice 17: agreement and begin to move that discussion uh forward right

[3:35:47] Voice 9: and i i don't i thought i

[3:35:51] Voice 9: connected those dots too yeah so hopefully that's it well thank you very much ellie thanks miss dody

[3:35:57] Voice 9: um and uh we appreciate the update and we'll see you in 2022.

[3:36:03] Voice 1: great thank you sorry

[3:36:05] Voice 17: for the long

[3:36:06] Voice 17: afternoon good job hanging in there

[3:36:09] Voice 9: okay we're now at 13.5 which is the a referral from the

[3:36:17] Voice 9: salt spring and this is a referral of a of a bylaw from from uh salt springs on page 84 of the agenda

[3:36:26] Voice 9: that. Sorry. Oh, yeah. Right. Can

[3:36:32] Voice 12: you

[3:36:42] Voice 14: just say what this is about, Chair Bargessi?

[3:36:47] Voice 9: Sorry, this is just a referable dialogue. We'll be literally 15 seconds with it,

[3:36:52] Voice 9: but then we do have a couple of other matters. We have a DL87 rezoning, and then we have the

[3:37:00] Voice 9: galley auto correspondence as well as we need to deal with

[3:37:05] Voice 4: the

[3:37:06] Voice 9: galley and then tenant correspondence

[3:37:08] Voice 9: with a couple of the members of the public have spoken to so we have both of those items

[3:37:13] Voice 9: on our as work items that are done before we get to the line i'm going to suggest it's going to happen

[3:37:23] Voice 9: but this is this matter will not take more than 10 seconds

[3:37:26] Voice 9: which one page 84 it's the referral of a bylaw from salt spring i

[3:37:32] Voice 12: move that our interests are

[3:37:34] Voice 12: unaffected

[3:37:35] Voice 9: okay seconded okay all in favor that's nice thank you very much so um we're now at uh

[3:37:46] Voice 9: what i think is a very interesting zap report page 87 um of the agenda thank you for this

[3:37:57] Voice 4: which

[3:38:09] Voice 9: is uh you want to give us your overview of your it's not being said 91 sorry the agenda

[3:38:15] Voice 9: uh you want to give us your that report there uh punishment

[3:38:31] Voice 9: he's here i'm here yeah that takes 91 yeah

[3:38:36] Voice 17: i just uh i'm going back and forth to the follow-up

[3:38:40] Voice 17: action list etc um so pretty straightforward uh report here bringing you uh information that you

[3:38:48] Voice 17: requested at the last meeting with respect to uh district lot 87 and as it turns out district lot

[3:38:54] Voice 17: 68 and where portions of district lot 68 and 72 were also included at that time and so you have

[3:39:01] Voice 17: some background there um there's also a additional note with respect to um district lot 64 and the

[3:39:11] Voice 17: galano conservancy seeking to rezone that and redesignate that property to nature protection

[3:39:17] Voice 17: so there's an opportunity if you decide to move forward to uh include all four of those parcels

[3:39:22] Voice 17: and i think a first step as we already discussed with uh dl86 would be having a holistic

[3:39:29] Voice 17: discussion with bc parks and other provincial agencies around uh north galliano island and

[3:39:38] Voice 17: what their broader plans are

[3:39:47] Voice 17: i'll leave it there chair rogers

[3:39:49] Voice 17: yeah

[3:39:50] Voice 9: apparently for whatever reason the streaming maybe it's the connection here i've got a number

[3:40:02] Voice 9: messages from people watching online that the the stream has been about i'm hoping the recording

[3:40:11] Voice 9: because i think the recording comes up on my computer uh or hopefully i don't know i don't

[3:40:16] Voice 9: know how it works anyway the hopefully this the recording is better than the um uh than the actual

[3:40:24] Voice 9: broadcast itself um so we got a report from this from the planner related to this uh we asked that

[3:40:31] Voice 9: this could be considered for put it on our top priority trustees what do you want to do for the

[3:40:37] Voice 9: next eight months uh

[3:40:40] Voice 12: i think it's a um i think it's pretty important to try to get some of these

[3:41:00] Voice 12: matters settled um i think that we will also in the among those agencies we really need to be

[3:41:09] Voice 12: including um first nations for for consultation because there and it may be more than one first

[3:41:18] Voice 12: nation that would have uh perhaps something to say so

[3:41:26] Voice 9: the suggestion is is whether you whether

[3:41:27] Voice 9: the lcc wants to make this a top priority project we only have one thing on our top priority list

[3:41:33] Voice 9: right now which is the which is the water go ahead

[3:41:36] Voice 9: um

[3:41:37] Voice 14: so if we wanted to move out of this would be

[3:41:54] Voice 12: I

[3:41:54] Voice 17: would say that that initial engagement could be part of the project charter, assuming that there's something to be done with these lots.

[3:42:03] Voice 14: Okay, I would make a motion that we request the deal.

[3:42:12] Voice 14: all well it's complicated because it's not we're moving into the top priority list but we're also

[3:42:16] Voice 14: including 68 um and potentially 64 the conservancy rezoning um and the other number which was

[3:42:29] Voice 9: so that was what number was that in the union in

[3:42:32] Voice 23: the

[3:42:33] Voice 9: projects it was

[3:42:36] Voice 9: Oh yeah, 72.

[3:42:42] Voice 12: 68, 72, 87, 64. And the project was, it's the last one there, 11.

[3:42:57] Voice 9: So you want to move project 11 to the top priority list and add considerations.

[3:43:05] Voice 14: 62,

[3:43:06] Voice 12: 68, 72, and 64.

[3:43:11] Voice 12: four and 64.

[3:43:14] Voice 9: should we just say all relevant four slots and then we can see where those all

[3:43:20] Voice 9: fall i i saw you know we got a little while ago

[3:43:23] Voice 22: 64

[3:43:24] Voice 9: is coming in from the conservancy yeah um so

[3:43:28] Voice 9: the motion is to move uh project number 11 revisit zoning of the la-7 to the top priority list

[3:43:37] Voice 9: and add consideration of other relevant four slots

[3:43:43] Voice 14: yeah just as long as it's not 85 or 86

[3:43:46] Voice 14: because those are both mentioned in the staff report but right because it's not in relation

[3:43:54] Voice 14: to those well

[3:43:55] Voice 9: yeah i know it isn't although at some level you're going to be looking at all of

[3:44:00] Voice 9: them right

[3:44:01] Voice 14: but we're not willing to exchange like those staff reports that those your planner smith

[3:44:05] Voice 9: just going to correct my important go

[3:44:08] Voice 17: ahead how about uh that the ltc direct staff to initiate

[3:44:12] Voice 17: a project charter for the rezoning of district lot 64 68 72 and 87.

[3:44:19] Voice 14: sounds good yep okay

[3:44:22] Voice 14: and

[3:44:23] Voice 9: and move it then move that project to the top priority yeah sure

[3:44:30] Voice 17: Sure. I'll send you a,

[3:44:32] Voice 17: I'll send you a

[3:44:33] Voice 17: wording, Carly.

[3:44:34] Voice 9: 62, 68, 64, 68, 72.

[3:44:39] Voice 14: Okay.

[3:44:41] Voice 9: So that motion has been made by trustee Woolverton.

[3:44:46] Voice 9: Seconded by trustee Rothschild. All in favor. And thank you for that.

[3:44:50] Voice 9: That was a very interesting history.

[3:44:53] Voice 9: I found that I didn't know some of the stuff that was in there and it gave me

[3:44:58] Voice 9: a whole different understanding of what what people are talking about that have been around

[3:45:02] Voice 9: quite a bit um okay that's anything else on that no okay

[3:45:10] Voice 9: let's go to the work well our the work

[3:45:13] Voice 9: program has

[3:45:13] Voice 9: just added something to the work program of course to the top priorities and

[3:45:17] Voice 9: anything further about that from trustees like just the water project and the and which i know

[3:45:23] Voice 9: that planner chadwick is working on and this project is as the two projects will effectively

[3:45:28] Voice 9: we work on for the next eight months um and then there's the applications report from november 2021

[3:45:37] Voice 9: anything from that from either of the trustees no and then we have the expense report page 118

[3:45:45] Voice 9: anything on that from other trustees seeing nothing we have the adopted policy standing

[3:45:50] Voice 9: resolution and uh enough there is no conservancy report anything about any of that from the

[3:45:56] Voice 9: trustee. And then the last item of business on our agenda is the

[3:46:03] Voice 9: Galeano and Kennex quotation on the Crest Tower correspondence

[3:46:08] Voice 9: from October the 29th. It's on page 124. And there's a picture

[3:46:17] Voice 9: on page 125. And then there is a copy of our consultation

[3:46:23] Voice 9: I know a trustee asked if we should put on.

[3:46:27] Voice 9: Leonard Smith, do you have any comments you'd like to make related to this before we begin

[3:46:32] Voice 9: our discussion?

[3:46:33] Voice 17: To be honest, I haven't had much of an opportunity to dig into it very deep, Chair Rogers, so

[3:46:39] Voice 17: I'm not very well informed.

[3:46:42] Voice 22: Okay.

[3:46:44] Voice 10: Trustee?

[3:46:47] Voice 12: Yeah.

[3:46:47] Voice 12: Yeah, I think the email from Samuel Sugita talks about, it was actually his original letter where he talks about that this is a project that is exempted,

[3:47:09] Voice 22: but

[3:47:09] Voice 12: there's no rationale, there's nothing about the project at all.

[3:47:15] Voice 12: about that is the original letter in here it says um just the first and the end of the first paragraph

[3:47:26] Voice 12: yeah so yeah so that it's exempted from public consultation i i failed to see how or why

[3:47:36] Voice 12: um there hasn't been anything and we we've no information they've not provided in any

[3:47:42] Voice 12: any information to make that case. And there's been no

[3:47:49] Voice 12: consultation with, with any neighbors or anything, anything

[3:47:56] Voice 12: like that.

[3:47:59] Voice 12: Here, so I read the protocol again, myself, and I couldn't

[3:48:04] Voice 14: find, I was having, I guess, a bit of trouble with what was

[3:48:08] Voice 14: different between like a cell tower and antenna system. And I

[3:48:13] Voice 14: wasn't sure if

[3:48:15] Voice 12: i couldn't really discern whether we were supposed to have public consultation for

[3:48:19] Voice 12: an antenna system as opposed to a tower and

[3:48:35] Voice 22: i know they had definition in the beginning but i

[3:48:37] Voice 9: okay so my understanding is the antenna system is is the um actual government that's put up on

[3:48:46] Voice 9: yeah um part of the difficulty of these applications of course is that is that the

[3:48:57] Voice 9: the primary jurisdiction over these things is federal,

[3:49:02] Voice 9: it's not provincial, it's not ours.

[3:49:05] Voice 9: But there's a provision in part six of the CPC

[3:49:08] Voice 9: or whatever it is, the protocol,

[3:49:10] Voice 9: and the act that governs all of this,

[3:49:13] Voice 9: and that sets out some basis on which the applicants

[3:49:20] Voice 9: are supposed to, or proponents are supposed to

[3:49:23] Voice 9: do public consultation,

[3:49:24] Voice 9: patient and it's an equal public consultation process if you don't have a local government

[3:49:29] Voice 9: consultation process and but then builds in a series of exceptions from the exemptions are

[3:49:37] Voice 9: because the basic proposition is from the federal government i'm not saying our position

[3:49:45] Voice 9: from the federal government is the issue regarding intent systems is about location

[3:49:50] Voice 9: and about height and about impact on physical impact on the community, et cetera, et cetera,

[3:49:57] Voice 9: they put some limitations on what you can, what the required limitations are.

[3:50:06] And I don't think it's any secret that part of what

[3:50:11] Voice 9: the federal government attempts to do

[3:50:14] Voice 9: is to take the idea of public consultation around the technology out of the public realm i mean

[3:50:21] Voice 9: they i'm being simplistic but that's effectively what they try to do they try and take the issue of

[3:50:28] Voice 9: the technology and the impact because they know in many communities it's very divisive

[3:50:33] Voice 9: and it's very controversial and they think that the science is clear and i'm not i'm not making

[3:50:40] Voice 9: all I'm not making these my position I'm just saying that's that but

[3:50:45] Voice 12: I mean I think though

[3:50:46] Voice 12: from the outset they don't meet the criteria for an exemption from public consultation

[3:50:52] Voice 12: and that is that it's a height less than 15 meters yeah but what I realize now is the

[3:51:00] Voice 12: definition

[3:51:00] Voice 14: actually says antenna system which includes the antenna and may include the tower

[3:51:07] Voice 14: so i think i even though i've read it initially and i missed it now i see

[3:51:11] Voice 14: that intense is actually just those i guess you call them receivers i'm not really sure

[3:51:17] Voice 14: not

[3:51:17] Voice 9: the way i understand them so then

[3:51:19] Voice 14: then it would not be exempt because it's no it's not

[3:51:23] Voice 14: less than 15 meters it's more it's 29 right no

[3:51:28] Voice 9: it's after 29 foot height they're installed

[3:51:30] Voice 9: all right lisa unless i'm completely mistaken my understanding is is that the that they're

[3:51:37] Voice 9: proposing to put their attendance on an existing power at the 29 meter mark

[3:51:41] Voice 9: yeah no

[3:51:43] Voice 12: no

[3:51:46] Voice 9: okay so

[3:51:48] Voice 12: they go from 29 meters does

[3:51:51] Voice 9: anybody understand that they're going to build

[3:51:53] Voice 9: the tower higher no

[3:51:54] Voice 14: they're not building the tower they've already taken down the height

[3:51:57] Voice 14: because that happened a couple years ago they built it too high and they had to take down part

[3:52:01] Voice 14: of it right

[3:52:02] Voice 9: and that's

[3:52:03] Voice 12: what i entered and i went

[3:52:04] Voice 9: back and read the material that in 2015 about the

[3:52:08] Voice 9: local trust committee voted against the and two to one i should add but they voted against the

[3:52:16] Voice 9: to not look well in concurrence of or against the power and it went ahead anyway um and the

[3:52:26] Voice 9: and and uh the was an interesting three minute so my understanding is is that maybe i'm wrong

[3:52:36] Voice 9: i'm certainly hoping to be wrong about this very open to being wrong my understanding is that if

[3:52:42] Voice 9: you add equipment to an existing tower that falls within these dimensions so is that

[3:52:49] Voice 14: the bullet

[3:52:50] Voice 14: number two existing antenna system one page i'm sorry yeah we're

[3:52:56] Voice 9: existing antenna system where

[3:52:57] Voice 9: modifications are made antennas added including facilitate sharing provide total cumulative

[3:53:04] Voice 9: height increases no greater than 25 of the height of the initial antenna system relation so so i

[3:53:12] Voice 9: I don't think there's any injury site.

[3:53:13] Voice 9: So that's my understanding of the lay of the floor.

[3:53:16] Voice 14: But I'm also wondering that it's,

[3:53:17] Voice 14: and this is on your topic,

[3:53:21] Voice 14: is right now there's a CRESS, an emergency,

[3:53:24] Voice 14: which is the consultation that executes that

[3:53:28] Voice 14: for emergency operations.

[3:53:30] Voice 14: So then has the community never then been consulted

[3:53:33] Voice 14: about the initial antenna system

[3:53:35] Voice 14: because it was already exec,

[3:53:36] Voice 14: so then we not should be consulted

[3:53:38] Voice 14: it because this is essentially the first antenna system to go up well

[3:53:43] Voice 9: what happened in 2015 when

[3:53:45] Voice 9: the local trust committee voted against it there seemed to be some consultation whether you agreed

[3:53:50] Voice 9: whether it was good consultation or bad consultation um trustee former trustee caudle

[3:53:56] Voice 9: and and trustee who

[3:53:58] Voice 9: should vice chair who shaken voted non-concurrent and former trustee harris

[3:54:05] Voice 9: voted in favor of it that's the communications that you sent out from 2015. um

[3:54:11] Voice 9: you read the limits of the lcc and there were a dozen or more people speaking out against it

[3:54:22] Voice 9: um etc etc so there was some form of consultation but i don't know why

[3:54:27] Voice 12: mr ryback might be able to

[3:54:30] Voice 12: update us on that it's

[3:54:32] Voice 9: up to you if you want i want to speak to us at this point

[3:54:35] Voice 9: i

[3:54:35] Voice 12: would he's pretty knowledgeable about this school issue go

[3:54:40] Voice 8: ahead the uh if you look back

[3:54:44] Voice 8: at the trustees they told you not to concur in the application for again exempt antennas

[3:54:57] Voice 8: to be co-located on this tower because Rogers did not comply with public consultation and

[3:55:07] community information requirements that the trust set out, or that were going to be in

[3:55:14] Voice 8: the default, if you will, protocol to be used.

[3:55:20] Voice 8: the words of the antenna were discussed after

[3:55:31] Voice 9: the fact i

[3:55:32] Voice 10: see and

[3:55:33] Voice 9: because they did not comply

[3:55:35] Voice 8: with consultation there was no concurrence given so where we are today uh the protocol

[3:55:45] call said it recommends co-location on existing towers if possible

[3:55:52] Voice 8: but even if you put up exempt

[3:55:57] Voice 8: uh protocols

[3:56:00] Voice 5: still

[3:56:02] Voice 8: strongly suggests that the

[3:56:05] Voice 5: proponent come

[3:56:06] Voice 8: to the community with a

[3:56:09] Voice 9: personal come to the ltc to determine whether or not there might be some sort of community

[3:56:16] Voice 9: to the compensation information folks and

[3:56:20] Voice 8: based on that it recommends that the proponent is public

[3:56:30] Voice 8: so the potential merits of the equip of their proposal can possibly be discussed

[3:56:39] Voice 7: one of the

[3:56:41] Voice 7: the crucial points

[3:56:43] Voice 5: of information that

[3:56:46] Voice 8: uh would help in coming to concur is to the question of

[3:56:54] Voice 8: is there any benefit to the people on yelling out for this equipment going in

[3:56:58] Voice 22: so

[3:57:01] Voice 9: it's one of the

[3:57:01] Voice 9: many things that um i have to stop you there because i read the minutes and i don't i'm not

[3:57:09] Voice 9: sure i agree with you that that was what occurred because the chairman first of all trustee harris

[3:57:15] Voice 9: was very clear that he was in support the minutes reflect that yes commented that he supports the

[3:57:21] Voice 9: sellout roger's cell tower proposal he said chair who's shaking commented that she used

[3:57:27] Voice 9: a cell phone wouldn't oppose a cell tower day next door personal preference shouldn't guide

[3:57:32] Voice 9: a decision she agreed that the case made at the march 14th tim was not compelling however

[3:57:39] Voice 9: However, the recent presentation provided more persuasive information.

[3:57:43] Voice 9: Rogers has made a compelling case.

[3:57:45] Voice 9: She's here to represent Galeano.

[3:57:47] Voice 9: Galeano's bylaws and the will of the community respects that cell dials are not permitted use on Galeano.

[3:57:53] Voice 9: And she does not support reason number two being in the motion, which is that they didn't provide a compelling motion reason.

[3:58:01] Voice 9: reason. So she actually voted against it on the basis that it's they're simply not allowed

[3:58:08] Voice 9: under the Gallaudet Act. And that was the basis upon which they voted against it. I

[3:58:16] Voice 9: agree with you, by the way, that although I might, my language might be a little bit

[3:58:21] Voice 9: different, is that there is things in the protocol that indicate that there are circumstances

[3:58:28] Voice 9: circumstances under which an applicant should be strongly encouraged to engage in community

[3:58:34] Voice 9: consultation. And I think that we can take that position and say, we think you should.

[3:58:41] Voice 9: We think based on our protocol that this is a scenario where you should engage in public

[3:58:46] Voice 9: consultation and not simply assume we're going to concur an exemptee from you, including

[3:58:52] Voice 9: finding out some of the answers to some of the questions that were

[3:58:55] Voice 9: raised by Joe and

[3:58:58] Voice 21: in whatever whatever

[3:58:59] Voice 21: so

[3:59:01] Voice 9: i think that's an option forward i'm just not convinced we can force them

[3:59:10] Voice 9: yeah

[3:59:11] Voice 12: i mean the other thing is that as has been pointed out there are bylaw issues

[3:59:19] Voice 12: uh on this property there are there are infractions of the covenant i don't even

[3:59:25] Voice 12: know where this tower is is it in the covenant area

[3:59:32] Voice 10: um the the instrument that you have is the letter of concurrence

[3:59:38] Voice 10: if

[3:59:38] Voice 22: there

[3:59:40] Voice 10: is no letter

[3:59:40] Voice 9: of concurrence in

[3:59:43] Voice 8: the uh establishment of an attempt system even though

[3:59:49] Voice 8: it is exempt, theoretically the minister will not authorize that going forward.

[3:59:56] Voice 8: I find one of the things I found when I think

[4:00:00] Voice 8: was that they haven't even

[4:00:02] Voice 9: asked the OTC for concurrence.

[4:00:07] Voice 9: No, they've simply said, we're going to go ahead and do it.

[4:00:11] Voice 9: So see, here's the way, even if it's not exempt,

[4:00:22] Voice 9: or even if it is exempt, then there's

[4:00:25] Voice 9: a series of provisions in the protocol

[4:00:28] Voice 9: that talk about, well, they should provide

[4:00:31] Voice 9: provide all of this information, i.e. the antenna systems, physical

[4:00:35] Voice 9: extensions that include the antenna, the mass, the power,

[4:00:37] Voice 9: significance,

[4:00:38] Voice 12: the relative

[4:00:40] Voice 12: location,

[4:00:42] Voice 9: the likelihood of an

[4:00:43] Voice 9: area being treated sensitive, and the nature of the marking

[4:00:46] Voice 9: and lighting requirements, etc. And so I think we should

[4:00:53] Voice 9: personally, we should write them and say, without making any

[4:00:56] Voice 9: commitment as to whether we think it's exempt, provide us

[4:00:59] Voice 9: the details of this question provided what the questions that were were raised in some of the

[4:01:06] Voice 9: correspondence what's it for who's it going to serve what's the community benefit what's the

[4:01:12] Voice 9: what's the physical dimensions what's the relative location what

[4:01:16] Voice 12: sites have been considered well

[4:01:19] Voice 9: Well, our policy is to

[4:01:23] Voice 9: We

[4:01:23] Voice 12: have hydro towers that cross this island with huge hydro wires, transmission wires.

[4:01:33] Voice 9: I'm getting a guess

[4:01:33] Voice 9: without knowing because I'm no scientist, you can't put that

[4:01:36] Voice 12: tower on top of

[4:01:37] Voice 9: a hydro tower.

[4:01:39] Voice 9: Because I'm guessing the interference would be in place.

[4:01:44] Voice 14: well i think that would we include that we recommend a consultation process too because

[4:01:50] Voice 14: i'm not quite i mean i'm not convinced of the consultation history okay

[4:01:55] Voice 9: so i think this it's

[4:01:58] Voice 9: not going to be possible to craft this letter today no i

[4:02:01] Voice 9: don't think this is a staff letter

[4:02:03] Voice 9: plus brad frozen again um is can we sort of pass a motion that that i'll draft the letter

[4:02:12] Voice 9: on based on the protocol backroom asking for both more information and public consultation yeah

[4:02:22] Voice 12: and then

[4:02:24] Voice 9: i'll run it by both of you make sure i don't get in trouble with the staff

[4:02:29] Voice 9: and we'll get a letter out to mysterious

[4:02:32] Voice 9: There is Sagito, Sagudo?

[4:02:33] Voice 21: Yeah, Sagito.

[4:02:34] Voice 9: Whatever her name is.

[4:02:36] Voice 21: Sagita, I think.

[4:02:39] Voice 9: And requesting, providing all of that and saying,

[4:02:43] Voice 9: you know, this is, that's what we want to do.

[4:02:46] Voice 9: Carly, let's see where we got to with that.

[4:02:48] Voice 12: That's what it is.

[4:02:50] Voice 12: Chair Rogers will draft a letter

[4:02:51] Voice 12: to the Statuto based on the code of law

[4:02:53] Voice 12: that requires more information

[4:02:55] Voice 12: and

[4:02:56] Voice 21: public complications from the start of the public meeting.

[4:02:58] Voice 21: um

[4:03:00] Voice 9: after lettering consultation with the other trustee thank

[4:03:13] Voice 12: you so

[4:03:16] Voice 9: that passed okay thank you

[4:03:19] Voice 9: very much for that our next meeting is february the 7th but first put it to seven right here it

[4:03:28] Voice 9: will be a new year so i wish everybody watching and um et cetera and here still here we have

[4:03:34] Voice 9: by the seven or eight season and new year uh we have one more opportunity

[4:03:48] Voice 9: for a town hall so does anybody assuming nobody wants to speak at either giggers or

[4:03:55] Voice 9: dallies nobody has to leave does anybody wish to address the local trust committee on any

[4:03:59] Voice 9: matter yes

[4:04:01] Voice 8: sir just one little thing on uh crystal mountain if you're going to ask them to

[4:04:08] Voice 8: provide a baseline survey of natural on their existing used property one month also asked us

[4:04:21] Voice 8: to provide a periodic

[4:04:22] Voice 9: update once every five years or ten years you know that

[4:04:26] Voice 8: crossed my mind

[4:04:26] Voice 9: leaving it open actually

[4:04:29] Voice 14: chris went and suggested that to me yesterday yeah they were going to come

[4:04:32] Voice 14: forward with that yeah

[4:04:34] Voice 9: so that that occurred to me as well because it's hard to monitor

[4:04:39] Voice 9: except by, you know, area of photographs, but if you have it done periodically, you can see that there's people involved.

[4:04:45] Voice 9: Yes, ma'am?

[4:04:46] Voice 12: I'd just like to point out that whereas ISED seems to have ultimate control,

[4:04:52] Voice 12: there have been a lot of communities who have been able to resist cell towers being put up in positions where they didn't want it,

[4:04:58] Voice 12: and that is in the DPA area, but we'll be able to talk about that.

[4:05:02] Voice 12: Good point.

[4:05:04] Voice 9: Okay. Anybody else? Nobody? Okay. Well,

[4:05:11] Voice 9: thank you very much.

[4:05:12] Voice 12: I just have one. I don't know whether we should consider maybe having a January meeting.

[4:05:18] Voice 12: No, no, no.

[4:05:25] Voice 12: Okay,

[4:05:28] Voice 9: so here's the problem. I mean, I talk generally, and I see Platt and Smith still frozen for whatever reason.

[4:05:34] Voice 22: The

[4:05:35] Voice 9: problem is having a meeting requires a fair amount of preparation.

[4:05:38] Voice 9: He has to prepare reports. He has to prepare and he has to, you know, he'll be working over the time period, whatever he's working on.

[4:05:46] Voice 9: So there have to be reports ready to go. They have to go to the regional planning manager.

[4:05:51] Voice 9: We have to get that all up on the agenda a week beforehand.

[4:05:54] Voice 9: So the earliest you can have a meeting in January is the third week.

[4:06:04] Voice 9: And by then you're already at almost up to the third.

[4:06:08] Voice 9: so if

[4:06:09] Voice 9: you had something specific you wanted to come and talk about without putting a burden on

[4:06:14] Voice 9: staff i i would entertain that if you had a community information meeting or if you want

[4:06:19] Voice 9: to put a topic on the table and you want to spend a couple hours talking about but then we could

[4:06:24] Voice 9: have a special meeting and do it on zoom that's

[4:06:27] Voice 12: true um

[4:06:28] Voice 9: if it was something specific that you

[4:06:30] Voice 9: wanted to do um that's always an option but if you were not i got i got in trouble last week

[4:06:38] Voice 9: because i agreed to a zoom meeting electronic meeting with gabriela because

[4:06:44] Voice 9: it was the day we scheduled 10 days ago scheduled for the day of the second of the big storms yeah

[4:06:53] Voice 9: and everybody was freaked that we were going to get shut down we're going to get trashed

[4:06:57] Voice 9: it turned out not to be so bad but apparently we're not allowed to do that unless it's kept

[4:07:01] Voice 10: in the center so if

[4:07:04] Voice 10: you want to have

[4:07:04] Voice 12: one well i think it's good to remember just because

[4:07:07] Voice 12: you have a meeting doesn't mean staff get to work more on what you want to work on so we might get

[4:07:11] Voice 12: talking done work can

[4:07:15] Voice 12: only be done as fast as staff can handle the workload coming out

[4:07:18] Voice 12: so

[4:07:18] Voice 9: i'm not really on the possibility of having a special meeting if you wanted to have one to

[4:07:25] Voice 9: talk about forest or water or whatever there may be some more information that we can get it might

[4:07:32] be it might be about the five

[4:07:34] Voice 9: reports on cms we can talk amongst ourselves it might be about the

[4:07:38] Voice 9: the materials we've received from others

[4:07:40] Voice 9: in CMS. It might be that we can't

[4:07:42] Voice 9: obviously be talking about the importance of housing,

[4:07:44] Voice 1: but if you

[4:07:44] Voice 6: want to do

[4:07:45] Voice 9: that, let me know

[4:07:46] Voice 9: and we can probably set it up on Zoom

[4:07:48] Voice 9: and Brad can join us, but we

[4:07:50] Voice 9: won't require it.

[4:07:54] Voice 9: I see you're back with us, Brad.

[4:07:58] Voice 17: I've always been here, just muted

[4:08:00] Voice 17: or just with my camera off to

[4:08:02] Voice 17: save bandwidth. I don't know why it's been

[4:08:04] Voice 17: crashing in and out.

[4:08:06] Voice 6: I

[4:08:06] Voice 17: listened to all that. I heard everything.

[4:08:13] Voice 17: What's that?

[4:08:14] Voice 17: i

[4:08:14] Voice 6: hope you agree with all that

[4:08:16] Voice 17: a hundred percent

[4:08:18] Voice 17: i

[4:08:19] Voice 12: just have a question

[4:08:20] Voice 19: in my head we're talking about do um people who have weddings are they

[4:08:26] Voice 19: limited do they have a special event i think to have a number of people probably not depends

[4:08:32] Voice 9: where they happen you have your own

[4:08:35] Voice 9: property probably not

[4:08:53] Voice 12: I

[4:08:54] Voice 9: don't disagree with either

[4:08:57] Voice 19: the

[4:09:03] Voice 9: planner's report or the applicant that this would be

[4:09:06] Voice 9: an unusual thing to do it's an unusual application yeah it is everything

[4:09:11] Voice 19: i was very impressed i just

[4:09:14] Voice 19: wanted to say it was a great meeting today compared to the one i think to where i so much

[4:09:19] Voice 19: thank you

[4:09:24] Voice 9: very much for joining us

[4:09:37] Voice 9: now. Thanks, Brad.

[4:09:38] Voice 17: Thank you all.

[4:09:40] Voice 9: Thanks. Thanks, everyone.