Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, December 14, 2021

[0:00:00] Voice 20: The Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee meeting of December the 14th.

[0:00:05] Voice 20: My name is Peter Luckham. I'm elected on Salt Spring, no, I'm elected on Thetis Island.

[0:00:12] Voice 20: And it's a pleasure for me to be here on Thetis Island as your chair.

[0:00:22] My mistake. I got you a fresh one.

[0:00:30] Voice 20: I'll just continue on then in the meantime, so I want to acknowledge that we're gratefully

[0:00:38] Voice 20: living in Coast Salish territory here on Salisbury Island.

[0:00:42] Voice 20: Many nations call Salisbury Island and the Salish Sea home and I want to appreciate and

[0:00:51] Voice 20: respect that history the richness of the culture and history that's here um introduce uh peter

[0:00:59] Voice 20: grove locally elected trustee my far left and laura patrick locally elected on salisbury

[0:01:07] Voice 20: immediately left of me um in the room we had a number of staff people

[0:01:10] Voice 20: uh rob pringle taking minutes today thank you very much for the assistance

[0:01:14] Voice 20: and uh regional planning manager uh sir mac and jordy gordon is with us today and some

[0:01:22] Voice 20: other planners may or may not be coming in remotely but coming in later um just want to

[0:01:28] Voice 20: make sure that this is a safe and respectful environment and we're glad to see members of

[0:01:32] Voice 20: the audience wearing their masks today all of the trustees and staff are wearing masks today

[0:01:36] Voice 20: and we need to continue to maintain the digital on this one for the present future

[0:01:44] Voice 20: and thank everybody for that just want to be sure that everybody that speaks at the meeting

[0:01:49] Voice 20: is being respected and treated fairly and that the language that we use is not

[0:01:56] Voice 20: discriminatory or disrespectful in any way shape or form so thank everybody

[0:02:02] Voice 20: for

[0:02:03] Voice 20: that we do have an agenda before us and I'll just ask if there's any amendments

[0:02:17] Voice 20: I

[0:02:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): was just

[0:02:19] Voice 20: wondering if we

[0:02:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): could just get a verbal update on the Russell-Douglas-Ferr project?

[0:02:26] Voice 20: A verbal update where and what?

[0:02:30] Voice 11: So maybe we can have a little bit of a flatter...

[0:02:37] Voice 11: No, it's not available today.

[0:02:40] Voice 11: Okay,

[0:02:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): yeah, this is

[0:02:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): more just I know there's a new information

[0:02:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay,

[0:02:48] Voice 20: so are you prepared to provide any kind of an update? I can do what I can. Okay, so what was that call?

[0:02:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): Oh, just because it was for a project. So I guess that would be under the projects

[0:03:03] Voice 20: You have to help me out here what section

[0:03:05] Voice 20: Section number 8.2 would

[0:03:08] Voice 4: be the new section.

[0:03:09] Voice 20: Yeah, thank you.

[0:03:10] Voice 4: Okay.

[0:03:11] Voice 4: And Chair, I just would like to ask,

[0:03:13] Voice 4: are we actually being recorded now?

[0:03:14] Voice 4: You said there was no issue with recording.

[0:03:16] Voice 4: Are we being recorded?

[0:03:17] Voice 4: This is being recorded, yes.

[0:03:18] Voice 4: Is it?

[0:03:18] Voice 4: And it will be broadcast later.

[0:03:20] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:03:21] Voice 20: It's not live.

[0:03:22] Voice 20: Good.

[0:03:25] Voice 20: I just want to,

[0:03:26] Voice 20: so there's nothing else that you had to say to the agenda?

[0:03:28] Voice 20: So I'd just like to ask,

[0:03:29] Voice 20: with respect to delegations in Town Hall today,

[0:03:32] Voice 20: we actually have four individuals

[0:03:35] Voice 20: that have asked to be delegates normally according to policy we allocate 15

[0:03:40] Voice 20: minutes which allows for five minutes for three if there was three this four

[0:03:45] Voice 20: and so I would suggest that we extend that to 20 minutes to allow the full

[0:03:50] Voice 20: five minutes for each person to present is that acceptable

[0:03:53] Voice 4: maybe we should make

[0:03:56] Voice 4: that decision when we get to it depending upon how time is working out

[0:04:02] Voice 4: Sure.

[0:04:03] Voice 20: I just wanted to give you the heads up that that's what's happening and we will need to make a decision about that if you don't want to make that count.

[0:04:11] Voice 20: But that's

[0:04:12] Voice 20: delegates, not Town Hall. There may be more people for Town Hall, which is a separate timing event.

[0:04:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): No, just three of them appear to be the same delegation.

[0:04:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): Oh,

[0:04:22] Voice 20: I understand, yeah. They've asked to speak.

[0:04:25] Voice 20: All right then. So let us begin with the agenda. Can I work off of this as a template?

[0:04:32] Voice 20: Well, yeah.

[0:04:33] Voice 20: Thank you.

[0:04:34] Voice 20: It's also on the screen.

[0:04:35] Voice 20: Yeah, I'll have to do the best I can.

[0:04:36] Voice 20: Don't worry about that, sure.

[0:04:37] Voice 20: And are we getting me a copy somehow?

[0:04:40] Voice 20: What if you wanted? I have no confirmation yet.

[0:04:43] Voice 20: Okay, so I'll just pull up a second sheet while I have a moment.

[0:04:48] Voice 20: So then I'm going to approve the agenda by general consent with thanks.

[0:04:53] Voice 20: Thanks. And we have draft minutes, a number of them here from the local trust committee.

[0:05:00] Voice 20: And I'm going to ask if the first one of the minutes that we're moving to November

[0:05:06] Voice 12: 9th, LTC.

[0:05:08] Voice 20: OK, so the minutes of November 9th, are there any changes to those minutes?

[0:05:13] Voice 20: No. No. OK, so then I'll

[0:05:16] Voice 13: take it that we adopt those

[0:05:17] Voice 20: minutes by general consent.

[0:05:20] Voice 20: I'm just going to pull this up here so therefore I'm going to approve the adopt

[0:05:42] Voice 20: the minutes of November the 9th as presented and then the next item at 3.1

[0:05:55] Voice 20: 3 is the draft minutes of November the 18th that's a social special meeting are

[0:06:00] Voice 20: Are there any changes to those minutes?

[0:06:02] Voice 20: No.

[0:06:03] Voice 20: Which one?

[0:06:04] Voice 20: November the 18th, that's the special meeting.

[0:06:10] Voice 20: Oh, I'm sorry, did I skip over October 22nd?

[0:06:15] Voice 20: Oh, I did, that's correct.

[0:06:18] Voice 13: So

[0:06:18] Voice 20: October the 22nd special meeting,

[0:06:20] Voice 20: are there any changes there?

[0:06:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): No changes, but I just had

[0:06:23] Voice 20: a question for staff.

[0:06:25] Voice 20: Okay, so

[0:06:26] Voice 20: why don't you ask your question then

[0:06:28] Voice 20: in case it changes the minutes for some reason.

[0:06:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): I know in one of the conversations we had

[0:06:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): had was in regard to maintaining that mapping tool

[0:06:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): that was created through the BBC's conservation lab

[0:06:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): and that Dr. Tara Martin had suggested

[0:06:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): that there may be an opportunity to work out a deal

[0:06:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): with the conservation lab or something

[0:06:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): to maintain that tool up to date.

[0:06:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I was just, since I know we aren't,

[0:06:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): the budget's

[0:06:58] Voice 16: not finalized, but

[0:06:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): I was just,

[0:06:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): I don't know if that meant money or not money.

[0:07:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): so that's what I just thought that so I didn't know if staff were following up

[0:07:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): on that or we needed to give direction to follow up on that so maybe that's

[0:07:17] Voice 20: actually in the follow-up action was it

[0:07:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): wasn't nothing there's no motion so this

[0:07:22] Voice 20: was just a conversation so we

[0:07:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): can discuss it discuss it during 8.2 if you

[0:07:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): want

[0:07:28] Voice 20: in 8.2 is that an important form appropriate

[0:07:32] Voice 11: place you want to dress it

[0:07:33] Voice 11: now that's fine i can tell you it's definitely no follow-up actions from that discussion

[0:07:39] Voice 20: so okay

[0:07:41] Voice 20: all right so you can raise it again too if you want so then i'm going to take it then the meeting

[0:07:46] Voice 20: minutes of october the 22nd uh be adopted as presented yep and then finally draft minutes

[0:07:53] Voice 20: of november the 18th special meeting also is there any changes to those no no then i will

[0:07:58] Voice 20: take it then that the draftments of november the 18th also be adopted um by john's consent thank

[0:08:04] Voice 20: you so the resolution without meeting report we don't have anything today um and we're going to

[0:08:10] Voice 20: move into the draft minutes of the advisory planning commissions and i don't know if any

[0:08:14] Voice 20: of the members of the audience are a party of any of those commissions but grateful to all of the

[0:08:20] Voice 20: folks that assist us in our work here and uh really appreciate reading through the minutes

[0:08:26] Voice 20: for the depth of it, observing the depth of the conversation, having not been able to attend those meetings.

[0:08:32] Voice 20: And I noticed that our trustees attended some of those meetings.

[0:08:37] Voice 20: So the first set that we have is 3.3.3.

[0:08:40] Voice 20: These are for our information.

[0:08:41] Voice 20: We don't own them.

[0:08:42] Voice 20: The task force does in the minutes of November the 3rd meeting.

[0:08:46] Voice 20: So we'll just receive those for information unless there's been a question.

[0:08:50] Voice 20: And then 3.3.2 is also Ganges Village Planning Task Force meeting, also for information.

[0:08:58] Voice 20: and we'll just receive those.

[0:08:59] Voice 20: Thank you.

[0:09:00] Voice 20: Housing Action Program Task Force, October the 7th,

[0:09:04] Voice 20: that meeting also, and that's your information.

[0:09:08] Voice 20: Is there any comments, we'll just receive them.

[0:09:10] Voice 20: So we will receive them.

[0:09:16] Voice 20: So the last two items, minutes of November the 4th,

[0:09:19] Voice 20: the Housing Action Program Task Force, again,

[0:09:21] Voice 20: there for information, I'll just receive those.

[0:09:24] Voice 20: And draft minutes of November the 17th,

[0:09:26] Voice 20: Housing Action Program Task Force meeting,

[0:09:29] Voice 20: also I'll just receive those.

[0:09:30] Voice 20: really appreciate the significant amount of work and regular meetings that these committees are

[0:09:36] Voice 20: doing on our behalf and on the community's behalf grateful for that so local public hearing records

[0:09:43] Voice 20: nothing recently which does bring us to the fall action list at december 2021 just turn to regional

[0:09:51] Voice 20: planning manager sir mac if he has any updates or you don't go straight to questions okay so

[0:09:57] Voice 20: straight to questions on the follow-up action list any questions for staff nothing okay so

[0:10:03] Voice 20: we'll receive that information for information uh moving on to reports we have policy standing

[0:10:10] Voice 20: resolution list there um and we'll just uh note that for information purposes um unless there's

[0:10:18] Voice 20: any changes desired i don't see any work program top priorities report um that's here also for our

[0:10:25] Voice 20: information that's what we're currently working on are there any questions or concerns about that

[0:10:30] Voice 20: no

[0:10:30] Voice 4: awesome

[0:10:31] Voice 20: and the projects list that's the long-term work that's there for

[0:10:36] Voice 20: information as well as further amendments and so not seeing any will

[0:10:41] Voice 20: continue on so applications and status report and I'm trusting that's the

[0:10:46] Voice 20: current regional planning manager CIRMEC and the

[0:10:49] Voice 20: celebrated trustees for questions

[0:10:50] Voice 20: any questions on the applications report I have four sure

[0:10:54] Voice 20: Peter Grove so if you

[0:10:56] Voice 20: can just let us know what

[0:10:56] Voice 4: numbers they are on page 100 ssdp 2021.5 miss crofton's housing corporation

[0:11:05] Voice 4: and and to increase the density in order to build 10 small rental cottages that came in

[0:11:10] Voice 4: um in march and here we are um there we are um is this a case for expedited processing

[0:11:17] Voice 4: talking about in terms of dealing with affordable housing i mean this seems to me

[0:11:24] Voice 4: I don't know anything about this project, but it sounds very appealing.

[0:11:31] Voice 11: As you can see in the notes that this is tied into a rezoning application.

[0:11:39] Voice 11: So they submitted this application concurrently and they have some significant issues to address before proceeding.

[0:11:48] Voice 4: OK. Oh, sorry. All right. On 2021.2.

[0:11:53] Voice 4: Yeah, we'll have a look at that.

[0:11:58] Voice 4: Okay, next, shall I just carry on, Laura?

[0:12:02] Voice 4: Page 106.

[0:12:03] Voice 4: Yes, go ahead.

[0:12:08] Voice 4: Sorry.

[0:12:09] Voice 4: Which number?

[0:12:10] Voice 4: Page 106, and it is SSRZ2017.2.

[0:12:17] Voice 4: I'm just wondering what we can do to help or expedite this.

[0:12:23] Voice 4: Again, this needs to have been sitting around for an awfully long time.

[0:12:27] Voice 4: and we all think it's a good idea, so what's happening?

[0:12:30] Voice 11: With this one, I'm going to turn to the planners.

[0:12:33] Voice 11: They will decide and tell you that they applied for a grant which they did not receive.

[0:12:37] Voice 11: That's my last update, but perhaps more you can talk

[0:12:40] Voice 3: to them about.

[0:12:41] Voice 3: Yeah, I think that's a pretty accurate summary of where we're at with it.

[0:12:46] Voice 3: The last time the LTC considered it, there was a number of items that the LTC requested,

[0:12:50] Voice 3: primarily around their water management plan,

[0:12:52] Voice 3: plan which was predicated on receiving this grant to work with North Salt Spring Water Works to

[0:12:58] Voice 3: facilitate how the groundwater source is going to be managed so in the absence of that

[0:13:03] Voice 3: grant it's not clear how it's going to proceed but that's sort of just waiting on that information

[0:13:10] Voice 3: to be brought forward by the applicant and

[0:13:11] Voice 1: then there's some other

[0:13:12] Voice 3: administrative issues around

[0:13:14] Voice 3: or not issues but things to do such as the housing agreement which we're also waiting on the applicant

[0:13:18] Voice 3: to provide their draft copy of,

[0:13:20] Voice 3: at which point we would enter into cost recovery.

[0:13:23] Voice 3: So there's some things happening in the background,

[0:13:26] Voice 3: but nothing that has come forward yet.

[0:13:27] Voice 3: We didn't receive any.

[0:13:29] Voice 20: Thank you.

[0:13:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): I did attend a housing council meeting last week,

[0:13:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): if I recall correctly,

[0:13:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): and Fernando Santos reported there.

[0:13:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): He was very clear to the entire group

[0:13:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): that Islands Trust has been incredibly good to work with,

[0:13:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): and that that wasn't causing any of the delays that they were covering it was because he just

[0:13:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): he shared the frustration of you know you

[0:13:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): have days where you have huge wins and days

[0:13:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): where you have huge setbacks and that's just the nature of the work very grateful for the

[0:14:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): support we've been doing we

[0:14:04] Voice 4: should sort of add a little note to that effect on that so that

[0:14:08] Voice 4: but I don't keep asking the same questions all the time.

[0:14:13] Voice 4: Page 107, top of the page, 2017.3.

[0:14:19] Voice 4: So now, what, is what I, what?

[0:14:23] Voice 4: You've got the new pump test, and so what happens next?

[0:14:28] Voice 4: That's today.

[0:14:29] Voice 4: That's on today.

[0:14:30] Voice 20: That's

[0:14:30] Voice 4: on today, thank you.

[0:14:31] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:14:32] Voice 4: Thank you.

[0:14:33] Voice 4: We'll see.

[0:14:34] Voice 16: Yeah, thank you.

[0:14:35] Voice 4: So 109, here we are in Ms. Crofton's Housing Corporation.

[0:14:44] Voice 4: This is the means-owning we talked about, right?

[0:14:50] Voice 4: So what can we do to help this along?

[0:14:59] Voice 4: Applicant Indicator Consultant work ongoing, but that doesn't really tell us anything very

[0:15:04] Voice 4: much.

[0:15:10] Voice 4: Yes,

[0:15:10] Voice 3: so the applicant is seeking to, as you can see, to increase the density on that property

[0:15:17] Voice 3: and have what staff consider to be not a viable water source that they're bringing forward

[0:15:24] Voice 3: be a solid intrusion.

[0:15:26] Voice 3: So we've asked the applicant to try to figure out a more sustainable source of water to

[0:15:33] Voice 3: provide that density.

[0:15:34] Voice 3: I've indicated that I'm happy to bring it forward to the LTC, but recognizing that staff

[0:15:38] Voice 3: would be unable to support the application at this point, they've sort of been trying

[0:15:43] Voice 3: to, I think, figure out another viable water source that would supply that density.

[0:15:48] Voice 3: What are the sources that you have?

[0:15:50] Voice 3: Well, I mean, they've approached value-added sulfur water, which has been a no-go so far

[0:15:55] Voice 3: as I can tell.

[0:15:55] Voice 3: The other option would be to drill a new well and hope that it is not subject to the same

[0:15:59] Voice 3: amount of solar intrusion that the current one is.

[0:16:01] Voice 3: but in that area it's difficult because the deal that the overlay mapping it's I don't know that

[0:16:07] Voice 3: you're going to get any different results depending on where you put your well and what about rain

[0:16:14] Voice 3: it's I mean it's an option at this point if the applicant wants to go down that road I think

[0:16:18] Voice 3: there's considerable costs and difficulty in managing that resource as well especially for

[0:16:23] Voice 3: an affordable housing project in terms of how do you offload the responsibility for that system

[0:16:30] Voice 3: and the community who manages it in an affordable housing

[0:16:34] Voice 3: project.

[0:16:34] Voice 3: So certainly on the table, but they

[0:16:36] Voice 3: haven't shown a willingness or desire

[0:16:38] Voice 3: to move forward with that source.

[0:16:40] Voice 3: OK.

[0:16:40] Voice 13: For a minute.

[0:16:42] Voice 20: And Laura, practice.

[0:16:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): I've been having lots of conversations.

[0:16:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I've asked for my fellow trustees' support

[0:16:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): on trying to drum up funding to run a solutions

[0:16:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): lab for Ganges on water and affordable housing.

[0:16:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): I know we've got North Salt Springs support.

[0:16:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): We've got

[0:17:00] Voice 13: lots of people supporting it, we

[0:17:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): just need to find some money to support running

[0:17:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): a solutions lab.

[0:17:06] Voice 4: So, when you say a lab, what do you mean by that?

[0:17:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): Pre-pandemic, which seems like eons ago, Salt Spring Solutions submitted an application

[0:17:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): to CMHC Housing for running a solutions lab, but they didn't get the funding.

[0:17:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): They presented, they pared it down and presented it to us, it's a run through, the proposal

[0:17:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): they had was with SFU, Operates a Solutions Lab, and it's a method of working a problem

[0:17:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): where people come together, you start by leaving your constraints at the door, you work the

[0:17:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): problem creatively and then layer the constraints back in to see if you can find a path to an

[0:17:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): innovative solution. So it's a facilitated discussion and I think it's

[0:18:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): something that would be great to do in Ganges, but we have to

[0:18:06] Voice 4: find some money if I make

[0:18:08] Voice 4: sure. But I get frustrated by yet another in this case, it's a lab. We know what

[0:18:14] Voice 4: issues are, we know how to get them resolved. I don't think sitting around and talking

[0:18:20] Voice 4: about it is terribly helpful because we just know what to do so let's get

[0:18:24] Voice 4: on with. I mean, if it's rainwater catchment, the issue is islands' health, right?

[0:18:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): It could be. I mean, there could be more solutions than just rainwater. I think that's the opportunities

[0:18:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): for damages.

[0:18:41] Voice 20: Well, I think perhaps in terms of applications, we're probably going a little astray in looking

[0:18:47] Voice 20: for it. Obviously, that's one of the factors. Is there anything else on the applications?

[0:18:59] Voice 20: Not from me, thank you.

[0:19:00] Voice 20: And certainly we didn't have that discussion that supported it for you.

[0:19:07] Voice 20: So then that does it for the applications list.

[0:19:12] Voice 20: Let me see if I can pull up my agenda here again.

[0:19:15] Voice 20: So expense report dated October 21.

[0:19:22] Voice 20: That's there for your information.

[0:19:25] Voice 20: Unless there's any major concerns, you can certainly bring that up with the financial staff.

[0:19:31] Voice 20: Just receive that for information if that's all right.

[0:19:36] Voice 20: island stress conservancy board report although i know there's lots of work going on in the

[0:19:40] Voice 20: background there's no report for us in this meeting we'd like to see one in the new year

[0:19:48] Voice 20: and then the next item here is the seltzer round watershed protection alliance coordinators report

[0:19:53] Voice 20: nothing uh here today i would just ask the chair if there's any remarks you'd like to make

[0:19:59] Voice 20: we

[0:19:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): just just had our first workshop yesterday with the consultant economics and

[0:20:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): And the staff are referring to this segment called the situation analysis

[0:20:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): of sort of starting with looking at the structure of SWPA before heading into the strategic planning exercise.

[0:20:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I thought it was a good, good work.

[0:20:22] Yesterday I thought the results were good.

[0:20:23] I think everyone, we're very fortunate to have Kirk Stinchcomb

[0:20:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): as the facilitator.

[0:20:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): He's just extremely knowledgeable and involved in pretty much every community's water planning in the region.

[0:20:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): And so we're very fortunate to have such a powerful person there to help us through these conversations.

[0:20:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): So looking forward to it.

[0:20:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): Like I said, I think the group was very responsive yesterday.

[0:20:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): So we're off to a good start.

[0:20:48] Voice 20: Excellent.

[0:20:48] Voice 20: Good news.

[0:20:49] Voice 20: Yeah.

[0:20:50] Voice 20: All right.

[0:20:52] Voice 20: And so thank you for that.

[0:20:54] Voice 20: Again, she's really is planning task force chair's update.

[0:20:58] Voice 20: We have an update from the chair.

[0:21:00] Voice 20: She's not here.

[0:21:02] Voice 20: No.

[0:21:02] Voice 20: Okay.

[0:21:03] Voice 20: She was.

[0:21:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): I know she was coming.

[0:21:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): Oh, it may be.

[0:21:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): and i did get a senior that's your text that's right i got a text from someone i don't know who

[0:21:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): saying they were going to be late so that may have been her that was you

[0:21:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): ronan okay

[0:21:17] Voice 20: so we'll possibly we can pick that up later if the salt spring if the ltc wishes the ice could

[0:21:23] Voice 20: be delayed it's pretty slippery out there

[0:21:25] Voice 20: so then we'll move on from that to 7.9 and housing action

[0:21:30] Voice 20: Action Program Task Force Chair's Report.

[0:21:32] Voice 20: Good morning, sir, welcome.

[0:21:37] Voice 20: I'm not sure if

[0:21:38] Voice 6: that microphone works,

[0:21:39] Voice 20: so you just speak to the floor.

[0:21:40] Voice 6: Can you hear me far enough?

[0:21:41] Voice 6: Yeah.

[0:21:42] Voice 6: Okay, thanks for this opportunity

[0:21:45] Voice 6: to direct state OTC.

[0:21:49] Voice 6: It's a very great opportunity

[0:21:50] Voice 6: for me to share what the task force is doing

[0:21:52] Voice 6: and for you to ask any questions of us.

[0:21:57] Voice 6: So first of all, the task force was really pleased

[0:22:01] Voice 6: about the adoption of most of our recommendations

[0:22:03] Voice 6: at the last meeting, particularly the updating

[0:22:09] Voice 6: of these suites by the lab to include accessory

[0:22:11] Voice 6: drawing units, everyone's really excited about that.

[0:22:13] Voice 6: And there's general wondering of wanting to take the time

[0:22:17] to get that piece right, to the upper.

[0:22:26] Voice 6: So as far as our work, we're starting to delve into the OCP,

[0:22:31] Voice 6: where people volunteer to create hundreds of sections

[0:22:34] Voice 6: and everyone's gonna start putting their input

[0:22:36] Voice 6: but to have those be my dedicated,

[0:22:40] Voice 6: and not only just by housing,

[0:22:41] Voice 6: but also about climate change,

[0:22:43] Voice 6: post notice for water, all of those things.

[0:22:46] Voice 6: So that's probably gonna take some time,

[0:22:49] Voice 6: but that's a big part of the project charter.

[0:22:52] Voice 6: At some point, I'm sure the land use bylaws

[0:22:54] Voice 6: will come into it, I'm not sure.

[0:22:58] Voice 6: We started, months ago, we started a matrix

[0:23:01] Voice 6: to try to track the ideas that have been submitted,

[0:23:03] Voice 6: and that kind of, it's kind of fallen to the side

[0:23:06] Voice 6: a little bit um because of the recommendations of discussions that are happening we kind of we're

[0:23:11] Voice 6: we're getting that back on board there's a couple volunteers that have there's a document

[0:23:16] Voice 6: they're organizing it and they're presenting it back to the task force and we'll be using

[0:23:21] Voice 6: that to track our ideas and also to track how that fits into the OCP and the landings bylaws

[0:23:28] Voice 6: how it tracks timing things for the community for long term and also solutions or ideas that

[0:23:36] Voice 6: that get brought up that are out of scope with the LTC.

[0:23:41] Voice 6: So because things are always coming out,

[0:23:43] Voice 6: and that means we want to track inter-jurisdictional issues.

[0:23:46] Voice 6: Part of that is because we've asked

[0:23:49] Voice 6: to have the idea of some sort of housing authority

[0:23:54] Voice 6: or inter-jurisdictional coordination

[0:23:57] Voice 6: be part of the charter as it was in our original report.

[0:24:01] Voice 6: So we'll be tracking that within that document.

[0:24:04] Voice 6: So that document is going to become

[0:24:05] Voice 6: It will probably become a report, and hopefully be quite comprehensive and not only talk about the LSU, but also what the community can be doing in some way by some sort of housing authority or other type of structure.

[0:24:27] Voice 6: The other thing that's come up recently is we're doing a public engagement plan.

[0:24:31] Voice 6: plan that was put forward, and generally the task force was feeling that it's really important

[0:24:39] Voice 6: for, it's really important to access the people in the community that are hard to reach, that

[0:24:45] Voice 6: are most effective, and that tends to be, you know, working class population is really

[0:24:49] Voice 6: busy, they don't have a chance to generate feedback for these things.

[0:24:54] Voice 6: Having housing difficulties for various reasons, you know, they're also hard to reach, so it's

[0:25:00] Voice 6: It's really important to not forget about those people, because the process of the honest

[0:25:07] Voice 6: trust and traditionally tends to favor people who are engaged already, which is actually

[0:25:13] Voice 6: a small percentage of the public.

[0:25:15] Voice 6: But there's a lot of people out there who care, who are affected, don't even understand

[0:25:19] Voice 6: or know what's going on, or have the time to give feedback, and it's really important

[0:25:24] Voice 6: to do that.

[0:25:26] Voice 6: And I think that when we recognize that as task force, that the way that we realize that

[0:25:30] Voice 6: that we're part of that public in the sense

[0:25:32] Voice 6: that we're all members of the community.

[0:25:33] Voice 6: We're out there in the community representing

[0:25:35] most of the different aspects of the community,

[0:25:38] and certainly trying to take into account everything we hear.

[0:25:45] Voice 6: So on that point, one of the things about public engagement

[0:25:51] Voice 6: is the ability to inform the public about,

[0:25:57] Voice 6: we want to be able to inform the public about rationale

[0:26:02] Voice 6: rationale for why we make decisions for what the thinking is behind it.

[0:26:09] Voice 6: So, for example, there's already some articles and letters and stuff coming out about recommendations that the LLC has gone through that aren't entirely accurate.

[0:26:19] Voice 6: And so we'd like to have an opportunity to be able to present to the community in some way.

[0:26:23] Voice 6: Ideally the idea came up, ideally some sort of interactive web portal where there could be a little bit of dialogue happening with the community through the public.

[0:26:36] Voice 6: But there's no resources for that.

[0:26:38] Voice 6: But it was suggested to us that we can prepare a statement as a group and it could be posted on the public web page.

[0:26:48] Voice 6: And perhaps that statement can also be shared through the direct related boards.

[0:26:51] Voice 6: it's also interesting so we we've been able to be able to just let people know what we think

[0:26:57] Voice 6: and why we think okay that it's not just about housing also we care about the environment and

[0:27:01] Voice 6: we're we're you know we're not trying to have time to turn into a suburban you know city we

[0:27:09] Voice 5: don't

[0:27:10] Voice 6: want an infinite population we just want a very healthy diverse community with respect

[0:27:14] Voice 6: the environment and solutions that have a low impact environment that's always part of our

[0:27:18] Voice 6: discussions and we wanted to have an opportunity that that's the order so that pretty much sums up

[0:27:26] Voice 6: where we're at right now um do you have any questions for me any questions for the chair

[0:27:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): no patrick i have a question i was going to talk about this in the next item on the agenda which is

[0:27:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): a two-day workshop retreat for the ganges village area task force and i was one i was going to i was

[0:27:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): going to

[0:27:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): ask staff to look at having at least a piece of that um workshop have housing in ganges

[0:27:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): and that your task force be able to you know a co-task force part on the housing part of ganges

[0:28:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): is that something that you think would yeah

[0:28:04] Voice 6: i think that would be really really welcomed by our

[0:28:06] Voice 6: task force and i think it's really important to integrate the work with it all the different

[0:28:11] Voice 6: things but not as part of what we're talking about it's not operating inside of us so

[0:28:15] okay

[0:28:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): sorry stephen i haven't mentioned that so thanks for coming next when

[0:28:21] Voice 4: are you getting the

[0:28:22] Voice 4: support you need from the staff and the local trust committee or is there anything you would

[0:28:27] Voice 4: like to see in addition yeah i think

[0:28:31] Voice 6: i think staff are doing a really great job supporting us

[0:28:33] Voice 6: there's this really strong collaborative spirit our group is very collaborative and you know

[0:28:43] Voice 6: In a way, what I was just talking about is the support we need is the ability to be able to communicate to the public.

[0:28:51] Voice 6: That's basically the thing that we're looking for right now.

[0:28:56] Voice 6: Otherwise, yeah, it's going really good.

[0:29:00] Voice 6: We're starting to figure out what we're doing, what we can do, and trying to get to all of our sleeves and get into the big, pretty good thing.

[0:29:10] Voice 6: But yeah, so that piece will be a bit of a break.

[0:29:14] Voice 6: I mean, there is one thing that keeps coming up, and that is resources.

[0:29:19] Voice 6: Often we're told, and for example, one of the big missing pieces is, you know, we're trying to set a vision.

[0:29:27] Voice 6: We've identified, you know, we need to keep these seven generations.

[0:29:30] Voice 6: But we don't, we're missing that.

[0:29:32] Voice 6: All the data we really have is the housing needs assessments done by the CRPD based on 2016 data.

[0:29:39] Voice 6: We don't really know, so it's kind of like, how do you really plan?

[0:29:43] Voice 6: How do we talk about the grand capacity of this island and what a healthy population is and how a population impacts the environment in our century?

[0:29:53] Voice 6: How we're living now and how we're living for the future if we don't have the data for that.

[0:30:00] Voice 6: And so, you know, when we ask staff about things and staff say, oh, we'd like to do

[0:30:07] Voice 6: that, it's a great idea, but we don't have the resources.

[0:30:10] Voice 6: You know, we want to know, why can't we have the resources in the population, 10,000 people

[0:30:16] Voice 6: on this island?

[0:30:17] Voice 6: Why don't we have the resources to get the data that we need to plan for?

[0:30:21] Voice 6: I think that's a very important question.

[0:30:23] Voice 6: And please answer it.

[0:30:26] Voice 4: I think if I may, Chair, I mean, I know that's a fair question, but I think we need to understand

[0:30:30] Voice 4: what the what the shortfall is and what is what is needed for you to get what you believe you need

[0:30:36] Voice 4: and you know it may very well be that um we can't provide what you're ideally looking for but it

[0:30:43] Voice 4: would be nice for us to know what the issues are yeah

[0:30:47] Voice 6: and so when with our major stuff we'll be

[0:30:49] Voice 6: tracking that you know for example you know missing data points that we need right how do we

[0:30:55] Voice 6: get it right and so hopefully then it's that it was okay this is in order to get in order to

[0:30:59] Voice 6: answer that questions and this is what we would need so we kind of we have an understanding right

[0:31:04] Voice 6: like you know like this is just a short new example like like and maybe it's impossible

[0:31:08] Voice 6: I don't know really some of it but you want to know how if you want to know how many people are

[0:31:13] Voice 6: actually using accessibility units that are to code but not conforming right now for example

[0:31:20] Voice 6: So that'll be fantastic.

[0:31:20] Voice 6: How can we find that information?

[0:31:25] Voice 6: Just things like that.

[0:31:27] Voice 6: So when we're planning, we're not talking about,

[0:31:29] Voice 6: we can start to sort of, if we suggest something,

[0:31:32] Voice 6: then there's this information about what is real

[0:31:36] Voice 6: on the ground versus what's theoretical on the field.

[0:31:39] Voice 6: And the thing to close on that.

[0:31:46] Voice 20: Laura Patrick.

[0:31:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): Please track and find some time to brainstorm

[0:31:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): on what kind of,

[0:31:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): because this is a lot of it's new historically we've all relied on the census as being that that's

[0:32:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's it's old before we even see it you know we haven't even seen last year's census numbers yet

[0:32:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): it'll be out of date um that we've got to find a way that's more reflective and more real time of

[0:32:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): even questions like housing lost you know we

[0:32:15] Voice 17: know we know how many

[0:32:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): new units have come on but we

[0:32:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): don't have any idea how many units have come off the rental market and so there's a lot of creative

[0:32:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): of data that so if you guys could at least list the kinds of data you think would be useful

[0:32:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): then we know what's what's what's available versus what needs to be created

[0:32:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): yeah surrogates or whatever okay very good

[0:32:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): thank you very

[0:32:42] Voice 20: much and thank you to your team for all

[0:32:44] Voice 20: the work that you're doing appreciate it thank you all as well thank

[0:32:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): you i'm here jenny jenny's here

[0:32:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): now jenny's the kanji's village actually

[0:32:54] Voice 20: okay jenny do you want to uh provide a verbal report

[0:32:59] Voice 20: So

[0:33:03] Voice 1: here I am installing on the Hill component, who's the chair, a very successful task force.

[0:33:11] Voice 1: I have observed them a couple of times because I wanted to see how their task force was working.

[0:33:18] Voice 1: And they managed to work together really well.

[0:33:20] Voice 1: And they've gotten some really good actions going to stop the arterial bleeding that's going on.

[0:33:29] Voice 1: with the crisis with the housing crisis so so that's that was great to see that first step

[0:33:38] Voice 1: we're working in our task force quite positively there have been comments that we've seen in the

[0:33:46] Voice 1: social media about our task force particularly because we've had a few reservations but i would

[0:33:54] Voice 1: like to say that the people who resigned hardly attended at all so we have people who came in

[0:34:01] Voice 1: here and there for a couple meetings and we didn't really stay with the task force and they then went

[0:34:08] Voice 1: out to social media with a huge amount of comments yeah i just

[0:34:13] Voice 20: wanted to be careful about talking

[0:34:14] Voice 20: about other people yeah

[0:34:16] Voice 1: so anyways because we're under pressure in a way because it's seen as

[0:34:21] Voice 1: as whether or not our purpose is held to.

[0:34:25] Voice 1: And what I'm trying to say is that I'm worried about people who left.

[0:34:28] Voice 1: I'm just trying to say that there have been a core group of us

[0:34:32] Voice 1: that have attended every single meeting,

[0:34:34] Voice 1: and we've been there on time and to the end,

[0:34:36] Voice 1: and we're actually getting a lot done.

[0:34:37] Voice 1: And we're also looking forward to seeing what new members might apply to join.

[0:34:43] Voice 1: We have had some interesting guests, like we had Lisa Wilcox,

[0:34:48] Voice 1: who's the intergovernmental liaison with the First Nations issues, which is something that's really important for Ganges.

[0:34:56] Voice 1: And there's a lot of work being done in other coastal communities where the integration of the First Nations culture is being brought in.

[0:35:07] Voice 1: And it's something that's a significant boost on all levels, like in terms of even the economics of these towns

[0:35:13] Voice 1: and the way that people would like to be able to understand British Columbia

[0:35:19] Voice 1: and understand traditional ways and also working into the whole circular economy

[0:35:27] Voice 1: that people are trying to envision to go as a result from working with these terrible climate change events.

[0:35:36] Voice 1: And so there's a lot to Ganges because it's a harbour town, it's a coastal town,

[0:35:41] Voice 1: And with the recent rain event, we see there are certain areas, certain pockets that were flooded.

[0:35:46] Voice 1: And so the vision of it to be integrated is really important.

[0:35:52] Voice 1: And also, you know, to have this mandate, because this is a new mandate,

[0:35:58] Voice 1: but people have also written that in 2007, there was already a report.

[0:36:03] Voice 1: but this is a new report coming out to deal with the new things that

[0:36:09] Voice 1: salt spring that Ganges is experiencing now that we were experiencing to such an

[0:36:15] Voice 1: extreme level 14 years ago and I believe that they can become an integrative

[0:36:22] Voice 1: document because what we see in Ganges is that there's a gap you know

[0:36:28] Voice 1: between the different groups and their needs and it does relate a lot to the housing issue so I'm

[0:36:35] Voice 1: happy to hear what was being said here with Roman and his group possibly being able to participate

[0:36:40] Voice 1: in our workshop and we can work on things together to a certain point because there's obviously

[0:36:46] Voice 1: a huge communication gap between what's going on with different groups in Ganges and it isn't a

[0:36:53] Voice 1: time that one person can go this way and one the other way it has to work together so on the real

[0:36:59] Voice 1: ground i went to see the middle school with uh my other commissioner bob mckay and dan

[0:37:05] Voice 1: pullington shows around it's a really beautiful space that's opening up although they're not

[0:37:11] Voice 1: renting out any spaces until july so um we have it on our schedule for our next meeting of our

[0:37:20] Voice 1: our task force to maybe talk about dates or if there's any possibility to even do anything that

[0:37:26] Voice 1: works in with trying to use any of the any space in the middle school so that's just all coming up

[0:37:31] Voice 1: into the future so um that's um you know as you all know we did the walk around ganges we've done

[0:37:39] Voice 1: a lot of things to learn about ganges and one of our members david he's provided a lot of

[0:37:45] Voice 1: historical information that he did he provided to us in a really lovely way

[0:37:51] Voice 1: with these historical maps all like in a binder size that we're showing in the

[0:37:59] Voice 1: pages and the origins of Ganges because I think the story of the town is really

[0:38:05] Voice 1: important and like every town on the coast of BC has its own story like I was

[0:38:11] Voice 1: listening on the radio to a planner who was talking about how there is a unique economy to

[0:38:19] Voice 1: every town in dc and those ways that that town can work on that like you know salt spring just

[0:38:26] Voice 1: have its own salt spring money like i think some of these ideas are are really good and um can add

[0:38:32] Voice 1: into having ganges be a really attractive place and a good place for everybody so that's my report

[0:38:39] Voice 1: Thank

[0:38:39] Voice 20: you.

[0:38:40] Voice 20: Thank you very much.

[0:38:41] Voice 20: Are there any questions from the trustees or Patrick?

[0:38:44] Voice 20: The

[0:38:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): space you're talking about, my understanding is you're looking for a place where you could

[0:38:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): have a working space where the maps and drawings of Ganges could be shared in an ongoing basis

[0:38:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): with the public.

[0:38:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): That's to your interest.

[0:38:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah.

[0:38:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): Great.

[0:38:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah.

[0:38:56] Voice 1: That's what we're looking for.

[0:38:57] Voice 1: So we'll talk more about that at our Thursday meeting and that's all unless you have any

[0:39:02] more questions for me.

[0:39:04] Well,

[0:39:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): my other question would be, have you heard me talk to Ronan about maybe having

[0:39:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): having part of the birch, is that something you think would...

[0:39:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): Oh,

[0:39:11] Voice 1: I think that's a wonderful idea.

[0:39:12] Voice 1: I'll bring that to the other commissioners on Thursday

[0:39:15] Voice 1: because I think that's a really, really positive, great idea.

[0:39:19] Voice 1: Yeah.

[0:39:20] Voice 1: I

[0:39:20] Voice 17: just want to make sure it's looked at.

[0:39:22] Voice 17: We talked about it earlier.

[0:39:24] Voice 17: Thank you.

[0:39:25] Voice 17: Thank

[0:39:25] Voice 20: you very much for your reports

[0:39:26] Voice 20: and the work of your team on your top source.

[0:39:30] Voice 20: Thank you very much.

[0:39:33] Voice 20: So this now brings us to the next project list.

[0:39:40] Voice 20: And Ganges Village area plan funding for task force two-day workshop.

[0:39:45] Voice 20: We have a staff report before us.

[0:39:49] Voice 20: Who's going to carry the report?

[0:39:51] Voice 20: Stefan Cermak.

[0:39:52] Voice 20: And then we'll go to the trustee's request.

[0:39:55] Voice 20: Mr.

[0:39:58] Voice 11: Chair, I don't have a platform.

[0:40:02] Voice 11: This is just a one-page report.

[0:40:04] Voice 11: What this is, is the report is following up on discussion with the LTC,

[0:40:09] Voice 11: seed the Ganges Village Task Force and it's asking to just reallot money that's already

[0:40:20] Voice 11: in the budget to more two-day workshops for the task force. This would be following the

[0:40:28] Voice 11: engagement that the engagement specialist is doing right now. It would be incorporating

[0:40:33] Voice 11: that information into this workshop and as I presume this could be including others perhaps

[0:40:38] Voice 11: perhaps to this design charrette.

[0:40:41] Voice 11: Essentially, it's maybe asking for some more intensive work

[0:40:45] Voice 11: as opposed to, I would say, extensive,

[0:40:48] Voice 11: regular two-hour meetings they wanted at two days.

[0:40:50] Voice 11: And this is, we're able to provide it

[0:40:52] Voice 11: through this resolution if the LTC gets it.

[0:40:55] Voice 20: Thank you.

[0:40:57] Voice 20: Trustees, any questions on this?

[0:40:59] Voice 20: There is a recommendation.

[0:41:00] Voice 20: Laura Patrick.

[0:41:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, surprise.

[0:41:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): I know that this will have to be designed

[0:41:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): in the time to be useful,

[0:41:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): and i was hoping that a piece of it uh could be over you know that part of the two-day workshop

[0:41:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): should be dedicated there should be a part of housing in ganges and i was hoping that we could

[0:41:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): extend an invitation to the other task force to sort of like co-work a piece of it on housing

[0:41:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): in ganges um i'm not so so i i at this time i was just going to say if we could in the motion just

[0:41:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): include somehow a reference to to that that makes sense do

[0:41:46] Voice 20: you see how it is

[0:41:47] Voice 20: that we might facilitate that just adding some words to the motion or or do

[0:41:52] Voice 20: we need some advice from you is how that might pull

[0:41:56] Voice 11: together well I'm not really

[0:42:00] Voice 11: prepared at this moment that I can only offer sort of off-the-cuff amendments to

[0:42:04] Voice 11: the resolution and I'll be at the very end of this so I do come prepared so

[0:42:13] Voice 20: is

[0:42:15] Voice 20: there any other questions or discussion we

[0:42:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): could make that a second motion if that makes it easier

[0:42:20] Voice 20: uh either or i think a second motion a

[0:42:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): second motion to be cleaner i think i

[0:42:28] Voice 20: think you said

[0:42:29] Voice 20: that this would be this it said in here somewhere about this being in the spring but it seemed to be

[0:42:34] Voice 20: like it was actually late winter early spring

[0:42:38] Voice 11: fiscal period it would be in this fiscal period

[0:42:41] Voice 11: So before March 31st.

[0:42:43] Voice 11: And do we have a date?

[0:42:44] Voice 11: No, not yet.

[0:42:45] Voice 11: We first have to make sure we get this resolution before we confirm it.

[0:42:49] Voice 11: But I'm happy with this resolution.

[0:42:52] Voice 11: I

[0:42:52] Voice 20: presume that the trustees would have the opportunity to attend to pick up the nuances

[0:43:01] Voice 4: of the conversation.

[0:43:02] Voice 4: Perfect.

[0:43:03] Voice 4: So I move that the South Savannah Local Trust Committee endorse the reallocation of funding within the Ganges Village Area Plan project budget

[0:43:10] Voice 4: and additional staff time to have the consultant on the studio facilitate a

[0:43:15] Voice 4: two-day workshop for the Ganges village area and task force

[0:43:19] Voice 17: okay

[0:43:22] Voice 20: moved and

[0:43:24] Voice 20: seconded is there any yes to

[0:43:30] Voice 20: speak to the motion so

[0:43:31] Voice 4: as I read this I meant to

[0:43:33] Voice 4: say earlier are we comfortable that we we have enough to build a two-day

[0:43:40] Voice 4: workshop and it's um we haven't had anything uh up from the consultant might be helpful to say up to

[0:43:49] Voice 4: a two-day two-day workshop i don't know i just would hate to be spreading it out if it's

[0:43:56] Voice 11: well staff have had conversations with the consultant before they came to lgc

[0:44:00] Voice 11: we want to ensure that they have the time uh they have the resources and we cross-reference

[0:44:06] Voice 11: still with the budget that we have and we were able to you know as per it says with total we're

[0:44:13] Voice 11: talking $4,500 a week of real new budget the challenge of course is in the staffing resources

[0:44:21] Voice 11: that we would assign and we feel confident that we can do that but you will note that the budget the

[0:44:27] Voice 11: recommendation doesn't include a budget line item specifically in a month just to give us a little

[0:44:32] Voice 11: bit of flexibility in case you need a little

[0:44:34] Voice 4: bit more work.

[0:44:36] Voice 4: And staff feel this would be a worthwhile exercise?

[0:44:40] Voice 4: Well, I think the task

[0:44:42] Voice 11: force has requested it. I think

[0:44:44] Voice 11: we've heard that at least trustee Patrick supported it and staff

[0:44:47] Voice 11: understand that it would fit very nicely in the overall.

[0:44:51] Voice 11: Good, excellent. Thank you. Laura Patrick?

[0:44:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah, my understanding of the timing is

[0:44:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): we've got all this work that's going on now with the engagement consultant and

[0:44:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): there's so it's going to be this accumulation of

[0:45:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): all this material this is a chance for the the task force to really dive into that material with

[0:45:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): what they've been doing and bring it all together which you know will inform the next steps of

[0:45:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): possible public engagement or more detail so i think the timing works well from what i can

[0:45:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): sketch on this paper good thank you so

[0:45:22] Voice 20: um i hesitated on the the motion and um i actually

[0:45:29] Voice 20: you can reflect on it earlier they were obviously naming the consultant in this

[0:45:33] Voice 20: recommendation and so obviously the amount of money that we're allocating

[0:45:36] Voice 20: is below the threshold necessary for a direct award

[0:45:41] Voice 11: great question yeah so we

[0:45:45] Voice 11: because we have an existing service contract with them this would be a

[0:45:50] Voice 11: naming the terms of terms within the service contract yes as long as the

[0:45:55] Voice 11: has approved the overall budget, which is done,

[0:45:58] Voice 11: and that's why we have to keep it in this fiscal period,

[0:46:01] Voice 11: then we're, you know, the fiscal policy allows us

[0:46:03] Voice 11: to amend the contract as we go along,

[0:46:06] Voice 11: just as long as it sticks within

[0:46:08] Voice 11: the original terms of the contract.

[0:46:09] Voice 11: And doing design trust and engagement

[0:46:11] Voice 11: is clearly within this, and so yes,

[0:46:14] Voice 11: we don't need to go back to that.

[0:46:15] Voice 11: All right, just

[0:46:16] Voice 20: wanted to make sure

[0:46:16] Voice 20: that I'm solid ground.

[0:46:17] Voice 20: I

[0:46:18] Voice 11: totally appreciate that.

[0:46:19] Voice 11: Yeah.

[0:46:20] Voice 11: Finance would be all over us if we did that incorrectly.

[0:46:23] Voice 11: I think

[0:46:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): it will work well because they're going to be so intimately involved in all the data that they're collecting.

[0:46:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I think it really will maximize the benefit of the two days not take away from it.

[0:46:37] Voice 20: Okay, so I've

[0:46:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): got a motion on

[0:46:38] Voice 20: the floor that's been moved and Laura will you want to second it?

[0:46:41] Voice 20: I've already seconded it.

[0:46:42] Voice 20: It's been seconded?

[0:46:45] Voice 20: Yes.

[0:46:46] Voice 20: I was thinking about the motion and I didn't acknowledge it.

[0:46:49] Voice 20: So it's moved and seconded.

[0:46:51] Voice 20: Is there any discussion on the motion?

[0:46:52] Voice 20: And I'll call for the vote. All those in favor? That carries

[0:46:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): unanimously. Thank you.

[0:46:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I'll make a stab at a second motion.

[0:47:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): Please.

[0:47:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): I move that the Saltzming Island Local Trust Committee request staff to include a session on housing in the two-day workshop and invite the Housing Action Task Force to participate.

[0:47:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): Do

[0:47:21] Voice 4: you get that, Rob?

[0:47:22] Voice 4: for a second to participate in that portion of the event or in the whole event in

[0:47:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): that portion

[0:47:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay

[0:47:30] Voice 4: so we should say that i guess

[0:47:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): participate in that session participate in that session

[0:47:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): that portion so

[0:47:37] Voice 11: i would actually recommend restraining from that one patient because

[0:47:42] Voice 11: depending on how the consultant wants to put together a meeting

[0:47:46] Voice 11: yeah fair enough

[0:47:48] Voice 12: okay so let's

[0:47:51] Voice 20: just hear the motion back from rob when he's got it to make sure

[0:47:54] Voice 12: yes uh that the salt spring island local trust committee requests staff to include a session

[0:47:59] Voice 12: on housing in the two-day workshop and invite the housing action task force to participate

[0:48:06] Voice 20: moved and seconded yeah then i'll call for the votes there's no further discussion all in favor

[0:48:11] Voice 20: that carries unanimously also super thank you very much thank you uh to everybody for uh wanting to

[0:48:19] Voice 20: conduct this and join in and uh that's great um is there anything else on the front on lady

[0:48:27] Voice 20: ganchi's early expand area otherwise we'll go to the new item which was added to the agenda

[0:48:31] Voice 20: 3.2 coastal double skirt and i'll just ask a lot of people to speak to the coastal double

[0:48:38] Voice 20: Douglas fir property yeah

[0:48:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): I had a good good chat with the planner humans and I

[0:48:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): understand you know he's working on the stuff there will be a staff report

[0:48:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): coming from our one of our last requests that we were asking about the wildfire

[0:48:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): hazard development permit area and water storage I think for the two and that

[0:48:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): he'll be reporting back on that and I was doing some additional research and

[0:49:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): realized and came across that the Coastal Douglas Fir and Associated

[0:49:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): Ecosystems Conservation Partnership, which Islands Trust has worked with

[0:49:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): closely, have just released their updated conservation strategy for Coastal

[0:49:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): Douglas Fir in December of this year. So it's a brand new strategy and I was

[0:49:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): really, I want to read from that the vision statement they put in there. I

[0:49:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): think it helps us because I think they're coming around to the same places

[0:49:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): that we are and their vision for this plan is that the Coastal Douglas bird

[0:49:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): associated ecosystems have ecological integrity and resilience to change a

[0:49:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): system of core protected areas are actively managed to provide habitat for

[0:49:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): native species and places to learn about the importance of healthy ecosystems

[0:49:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): working landscapes are actively managed to enhance their ecosystem values while

[0:50:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): while also supporting jobs

[0:50:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): and economic development opportunities.

[0:50:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): Public and land managers understand

[0:50:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): that Coastal Douglas Fir and associated ecosystems

[0:50:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): are special places that merit support and investment.

[0:50:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I just thought, I know that we've got

[0:50:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): a lot of people that are concerned

[0:50:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): or think that we're headed in a direction

[0:50:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's gonna put forestry workers out of work

[0:50:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): and all of that, and I think we're working

[0:50:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): toward a direction where we know

[0:50:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): that the forests need to be managed

[0:50:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): and that we need to rely on forest workers

[0:50:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): to help create healthy forests going into the future.

[0:50:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I just thought I was amazed to see this work.

[0:50:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): I encourage you to read the new strategy that they've come to,

[0:50:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): and I think it aligns well with where we're ending.

[0:50:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I was working toward maybe having a motion,

[0:50:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): but I understand this report's coming, and I'm looking forward to it,

[0:50:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): and I don't feel that I take any action at this time.

[0:50:54] Voice 20: Yeah, the Islands Trust

[0:50:56] Voice 20: is a participant on that body,

[0:50:58] Voice 20: and so that will be disseminated and I really thank you for particularly for

[0:51:05] Voice 20: reading out that section of that report because what's significant here is this

[0:51:11] Voice 20: is happening throughout the problems with the problems generally and their

[0:51:15] Voice 20: reporting has come out recently and now this report has come out and the work

[0:51:19] Voice 20: that we're doing is recognizing that there are issues that need to be

[0:51:23] Voice 20: addressed. And it's an evolution. And I'm really pleased actually to see the vigorous amount of

[0:51:31] Voice 20: conversation that's coming to us from the community on different sides of the fence,

[0:51:38] Voice 20: because it informs us. I think that's what we need to do is hear from everybody to inform

[0:51:41] Voice 20: our thinking to advance some of this higher level thinking.

[0:51:47] Voice 20: I

[0:51:49] Voice 4: was

[0:51:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): just going to say

[0:51:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): there's misunderstanding

[0:51:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): there's a belief that we're about to pass a bylaw

[0:51:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's going to restrict this

[0:52:00] Voice 1: and

[0:52:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): I've been trying to make sure it's getting out there

[0:52:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): and I will publish this to say again

[0:52:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): we haven't proposed any bylaw direction at all

[0:52:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): the first inkling has been about this wildfire hazard

[0:52:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): development permit area

[0:52:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): and that's it

[0:52:17] Voice 4: And thank you for that. This is really important information for the community and it needs to get

[0:52:23] Voice 4: out there. I'm so pleased that Ruffwood is here taking notes, so no doubt it will be a deadline

[0:52:28] Voice 4: in the next year. But

[0:52:31] Voice 13: I really

[0:52:32] Voice 4: can't emphasize enough how important it is. And so we need to

[0:52:35] Voice 4: have a strategy or Alamance Trust needs to have a strategy to get this out to our communities

[0:52:40] Voice 4: because there's a great deal of misinformation, as Laura said. So what is being done to do that?

[0:52:46] Voice 4: do we know?

[0:52:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): I've been just responding and I think we just have to continue to

[0:52:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): respond. To whom?

[0:52:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): I don't know, to the people. Well

[0:52:59] Voice 20: the other thing to keep in

[0:53:00] Voice 20: mind is that we have awarded a contract now for the policy statement for our

[0:53:04] Voice 20: communications and that communication will be to the public.

[0:53:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well that's a

[0:53:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): different, there's two levels and I think that is that's where things get confusing

[0:53:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): using. It's

[0:53:15] Voice 20: what are we

[0:53:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): doing at Salt Spring with our, the Coastal Devil's

[0:53:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): Fur Project belongs to this committee and it's this

[0:53:21] Voice 13: is a project for Salt

[0:53:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): Spring and I think there's misunderstanding that this is coming

[0:53:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): from the Federation work which is, so maybe I'll attempt to write something in

[0:53:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): my spare time.

[0:53:32] Voice 20: Because often the tree cutting regulation is spoken to that

[0:53:38] Voice 20: there should be no prohibitions and it's tied in mistakenly to the same project but it is very

[0:53:45] Voice 20: different and unfortunately there are those that are promoting misinformation and they indeed state

[0:53:54] Voice 20: that there are bylaws on the table and there are not but i can't say that any clearer

[0:53:59] Voice 4: but we need

[0:53:59] Voice 4: to we need to cut that off at the past we need to ensure that the correct information is out there

[0:54:04] Voice 4: And so, you know, there's a void out there.

[0:54:08] Voice 4: And until

[0:54:09] Voice 20: we fill that void...

[0:54:10] Voice 4: We

[0:54:10] Voice 20: don't control all the voices.

[0:54:11] Voice 4: What's that?

[0:54:12] Voice 20: We don't control all the voices, so it's a free world.

[0:54:15] Voice 20: Sorry,

[0:54:15] Voice 4: we don't control all what?

[0:54:16] Voice 20: We don't control the voices.

[0:54:17] Voice 4: No,

[0:54:18] Voice 20: no, no, not those voices,

[0:54:19] Voice 4: but we can control our voice.

[0:54:20] Voice 4: Yes.

[0:54:21] Voice 4: And we need to fill that void with our voice,

[0:54:24] Voice 4: with what we believe is actually happening.

[0:54:26] Voice 4: So who is going to fill that role?

[0:54:29] Voice 17: I'll try to write something and I'll share it with you,

[0:54:31] Voice 4: Peter, to take a look at.

[0:54:32] Voice 4: But what about Ireland's trust as a whole?

[0:54:34] Voice 4: Well, we're

[0:54:36] Voice 20: not going to comment on a soft-spin project.

[0:54:37] Voice 4: No, no, no, but in terms of forestry and CDF protection and the whole thing, that's an island by interest.

[0:54:46] Voice 4: So I suggest we should ask the executive committee to take that on and get staff in Victoria to...

[0:54:55] Voice 20: Yeah, I

[0:54:55] Voice 20: think we probably see it as focused in the policy statement and the vision that is contained therein

[0:55:03] Voice 20: that includes uh forestry stefan yeah

[0:55:08] Voice 11: i'd just like to add that thank you just in fact for

[0:55:11] Voice 11: giving that attention read the report very short and uh you know key words the communication that

[0:55:18] Voice 11: we managed both reserves and public and private resources so i think that's fascinating your

[0:55:25] Voice 11: question about staff staff member named in that document is from the island's trust conservancy

[0:55:33] Voice 11: and I think that might be your best avenue.

[0:55:36] Voice 11: They've helped develop this document

[0:55:39] Voice 11: and that message about actively managing,

[0:55:43] Voice 11: whether it's fire load on the floor

[0:55:45] Voice 11: or thinning it out to get more ecosystems and diversity.

[0:55:50] Voice 11: So I think the conservancy might be partially

[0:55:53] Voice 11: what you're looking for,

[0:55:54] Voice 11: considering that they have been involved

[0:55:55] Voice 11: in this exact preserving effect

[0:55:58] Voice 11: of the Missouri ecosystem.

[0:56:00] Voice 11: The conservancy.

[0:56:01] Voice 11: That's what I'm proposing,

[0:56:03] Voice 11: especially since they're involved with this sort of region-wide approach to protection.

[0:56:08] Voice 4: But sorry, we should be shouting this from the rooftops,

[0:56:12] Voice 4: because this is hugely important to our communities.

[0:56:15] Voice 4: And there's so much misinformation, as we've said,

[0:56:18] Voice 4: and Laura and I are always turning out files.

[0:56:22] Voice 4: That's part of a separate process.

[0:56:25] Voice 4: It's a different wildfire development area.

[0:56:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): It circles the two of us.

[0:56:30] Voice 4: Anyway, I don't understand what the hesitation is.

[0:56:32] Voice 4: so this is something you should be excited about

[0:56:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): well i i'm happy to bring it up with executive

[0:56:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): tomorrow because you're right you know i think this this topic warrants thank you attention

[0:56:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): thank you okay

[0:56:48] Voice 20: so is that uh conclude that 8.2 coast of others first and we'll move on to other

[0:56:54] Voice 20: business yeah so the business then is at 9.11 so it's going to be on local trust committee regular

[0:56:59] Voice 20: meeting schedule and I see that we've chosen a new location for our meetings

[0:57:05] Voice 20: for next year are there any concerns with that otherwise I think we'll look

[0:57:09] Voice 20: for a motion to was there a motion here no so what do you want what I'll turn

[0:57:18] Voice 20: it over to someone sir Mac or I see Rob it's actually brought this to us he

[0:57:24] Voice 20: wants to speak to it well I'll

[0:57:25] Voice 11: start great there is a recommendation it's

[0:57:31] Voice 20: Oh, there it is, we have it.

[0:57:32] Voice 11: It's been on the approved and proposed 2022 regular meeting schedule as presented by Pentecost.

[0:57:38] Voice 11: We're going to establish a meeting schedule as required by your meetings in DuPont.

[0:57:43] Voice 11: And so to comment on that, Rob did a great job hunting down all the possible locations,

[0:57:49] Voice 11: and we found that next year's unique in that there's a lot of bookings.

[0:57:54] Voice 11: A lot of places we expected to be available were not available, including where we're sitting today.

[0:57:59] Voice 11: And yeah, the community is very active.

[0:58:00] Voice 11: So we found the community gospel was available, was affordable, and had great Wi-Fi, which is a new requirement for our meetings.

[0:58:09] Voice 11: And so there you have it. They were very accommodating.

[0:58:13] Voice 11: May

[0:58:14] Voice 4: I ask a question?

[0:58:15] Voice 4: Go ahead.

[0:58:19] Voice 4: What happens around October, November, December? October we have the election, right?

[0:58:25] Voice 4: Correct.

[0:58:26] Voice 4: So by November will there be a new Liberal Trust meeting?

[0:58:33] Voice 11: As I understand it, you'll have new trustees in waiting or whomever is elected, but they

[0:58:40] Voice 11: don't become sworn in until at some ceremony with trust counsel?

[0:58:44] Voice 11: It's November.

[0:58:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's like November 1st.

[0:58:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is it?

[0:58:46] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:58:47] Voice 11: So then it will be their first meeting.

[0:58:49] Voice 11: Okay.

[0:58:49] Voice 11: Thank you.

[0:58:50] Voice 11: So yeah, this was all thinking into that.

[0:58:55] Voice 20: Okay.

[0:58:55] Voice 20: Very good.

[0:58:56] Voice 20: Any other questions?

[0:58:57] Voice 20: Are we ready for the motion?

[0:59:02] Voice 20: You've got a good one.

[0:59:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): I move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee approve the proposed 2022

[0:59:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): 22 regular meeting schedule as presented in appendix one establishing a meeting schedule

[0:59:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): as required by the salt spring island meeting procedures bylaw number 391 and i second that

[0:59:18] Voice 20: seconded any further discussion although some data so that carries so i'm i'm going to note

[0:59:24] Voice 20: just because i can um it's interesting how i see this as a memorandum compared to an rfd

[0:59:30] Voice 20: and the i didn't see the recommendation which normally is at the top of an rfd

[0:59:35] Voice 20: and I don't know if the formatting is purposefully different or was it

[0:59:40] Voice 20: shouldn't actually be more consistent. It

[0:59:42] Voice 11: should be more consistent Mr. Chair and I

[0:59:44] Voice 11: apologize this has been a hangover of years of testing and it follows

[0:59:51] Voice 20: the formats in the future.

[0:59:53] Voice 20: The message was conveyed and so that's so perfect. Thank you

[0:59:57] Voice 1: Ralph for your assistance.

[1:00:00] Voice 20: all right then so then let's go to draft bylaw 529 meeting procedures by law um this is a kind

[1:00:06] Voice 20: of an interesting read you don't want to get too lost in the weeds like maybe i did but um i'll

[1:00:13] Voice 20: turn it over to staff to uh speak to it and then maybe i'll make a couple of remarks and the

[1:00:18] Voice 20: trustees have a couple of months i'm sure well thank you mr chair

[1:00:22] Voice 11: i'll just start off the uh as

[1:00:24] Voice 11: you know the uh provincial governments due to colvin has been tinkering with the regulations

[1:00:29] Voice 11: regulations about electronic meetings and what local governments can and cannot do.

[1:00:34] Voice 11: To that effect, on September 29th, they amended the Islands Trust electronic meeting regulation

[1:00:39] Voice 11: and that allows Trust Council executive PD, LTCs and the like to conduct regular meetings

[1:00:44] Voice 11: electronically in addition to special meetings which are already provided for them.

[1:00:49] Voice 11: So if you go into your Union Procedure File 391 which is attached, it was already written

[1:00:55] Voice 11: because the regulations allow that if the LTC was to have a special business

[1:00:59] Voice 11: meeting you can do so electronically but you could not do that for the regular

[1:01:03] Voice 11: business that is now being proposed to be amended in the attachment and I

[1:01:08] Voice 11: apologize I could not get it to you sooner I was waiting to order with trust

[1:01:11] Voice 11: counsel as you know a legislative services manager presented those amendments and we were waiting to

[1:01:17] Voice 11: pull an order and it would be nice to have that as before you just approved your meeting schedule for next year

[1:01:23] Voice 11: but one step at a time that can be amended as well so so that's what we have before you um

[1:01:29] Voice 11: we went through or i went through on your meeting procedures file and i made an electronic meeting

[1:01:35] Voice 11: section accordingly and i tidied up a few other sections that i felt needed amending

[1:01:41] Voice 11: and i so you have in your appendix i've sort of included a red line version of that

[1:01:46] Voice 11: it should be relatively self-explanatory although it's a very dry read i must admit i did not enjoy

[1:01:53] Voice 11: for this task but I think it's for you to consider the resolutions or the

[1:01:59] Voice 11: recommendations which were to give it for a second-tier meeting and for to the

[1:02:03] Voice 11: executive committee.

[1:02:06] Voice 20: Okay, thank you very much. So, trustees? Any thoughts? Go ahead, Trustee Patrick.

[1:02:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah, I don't, I mean, I don't think the order is that important because I mean we

[1:02:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): still have to have a place that the public may attend so whether it's at the

[1:02:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): location we just said or another one that's that's a minor amendment so um i don't really

[1:02:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): have any questions all

[1:02:30] Voice 4: right just to go no i said no and neither do i okay

[1:02:37] Voice 20: so um like i said i kind

[1:02:39] Voice 20: of got lost in the weeds a little bit by taking it too literally but i think maybe the chair does

[1:02:45] Voice 20: need to take any procedures literally um there was two areas that i thought um that if we don't

[1:02:53] Voice 20: have to do that today because obviously the momentum here is to make the electronic

[1:02:59] Voice 20: meeting amendments so that we can continue our business but it did strike me and i apologize

[1:03:03] Voice 20: for not having the section in front of me but in the meeting procedures where we speak to decorum

[1:03:09] Voice 20: of the meeting we don't mention uh things like what i i speak to in my introduction to the

[1:03:16] Voice 20: meeting about no form that we do mention about no offensive language but we don't

[1:03:26] Voice 20: mention that we should use language that does not reflect any form of

[1:03:29] Voice 20: discrimination and that discrimination is not acceptable or tolerated and that

[1:03:34] Voice 20: we and that the meeting should be a safe and inclusive environment and I wonder

[1:03:40] Voice 20: whether we shouldn't include that information in this document so when

[1:03:44] Voice 20: when people are thinking about attending an LTC meeting,

[1:03:47] Voice 20: there's an opportunity for them to understand in advance

[1:03:50] Voice 20: what the criteria is, what the requirement is that's expected.

[1:03:57] Voice 20: So that's the one thing.

[1:03:59] Voice 20: And the second thing is that it was interesting to note

[1:04:03] Voice 20: when it talks about motions in the meeting,

[1:04:05] Voice 20: it says that a motion shall be presented in writing.

[1:04:09] Voice 20: And in many situations, much like the last motion

[1:04:13] Voice 20: that Trustee Patrick has made on the fly,

[1:04:15] Voice 20: to amend a report, what is not in writing.

[1:04:19] Voice 20: And so I just wanted to, that literal reading of that

[1:04:24] Voice 20: is different than how we practice.

[1:04:29] Voice 11: Indeed, yeah, so there's many takes on that.

[1:04:35] Voice 11: There's also policies that support how this meeting,

[1:04:39] Voice 11: how these meeting procedures are carried out.

[1:04:42] Voice 11: And so staff generally, in that type of question,

[1:04:46] Voice 11: we would resort back to the purpose of course that you know is to have all the resolutions

[1:04:51] Voice 11: already on the agenda so that the public can see it yeah and

[1:04:57] Voice 11: that's why it says that in there so

[1:04:58] Voice 11: but i think it's also understood that regular meeting discussions

[1:05:04] Voice 11: so i think the purpose here is to focus and really try to keep that as true as possible

[1:05:11] Voice 11: and for the chair to remind the elected officials that if that's getting out of hand you have that

[1:05:17] Voice 11: strong ground, but I wouldn't say it's as ironclad as common sense is.

[1:05:26] Voice 20: So I'll just ask the LTC whether or not perhaps it's appropriate at this time to

[1:05:32] Voice 20: advance this particular draft of this, but does the LTC also want to take, ask staff

[1:05:37] Voice 20: to come back with recommendations to elaborate on the meeting procedures before on the protocol?

[1:05:44] Voice 20: Well,

[1:05:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): just one on the, submitted in writing, my interpretation has been, if I know I've created, I've read a staff report, and I have a motion that comes from it, that

[1:05:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): I always issue it in writing in advance, if I've met with staff, I've thought about it, I've generated the motion, versus like the one previously, it's like I wanted to discuss it in front of you guys, I didn't have a motion, like, you know, that was something that was born out of discussion.

[1:06:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): So that's how I interpret it and I didn't find that restrictive in any way.

[1:06:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah,

[1:06:16] Voice 20: no, I appreciate that.

[1:06:19] Voice 4: Well, funnily enough, I'm very uncomfortable with motions being drafted before we've had a chance to talk about them.

[1:06:27] Voice 4: Because I think, to my mind, it means people are coming with their minds made up because they prepared a motion.

[1:06:34] Voice 4: So I'm very uncomfortable with that and I don't think it's correct, so it's entirely the opposite of what Laura is saying.

[1:06:46] Voice 4: I think unless it's a staff report, the motion needs to come from a public discussion so that we all know where it's coming from.

[1:06:58] Voice 4: And that no one's mind is made up.

[1:07:03] Voice 20: Laura do you want to speak to that?

[1:07:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): I was

[1:07:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): going to say, I never see a motion that I bring to the floor saying, my mind is made up.

[1:07:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): I mean, I'm giving you notice of something.

[1:07:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): I've come around that plot, and that now you've got the chance to contact staff the day before,

[1:07:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): whatever, to be prepared to debate the issue in public,

[1:07:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): so that each of us are all fully aware of what could come, especially when we know the existence.

[1:07:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): To me, it's very different on the fly versus I've thought about this,

[1:07:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): and then it gives advance notice and truly you're right if we could have

[1:07:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): things way in advance of a staff report but a lot of times we're responding to

[1:07:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): a staff report.

[1:07:47] Voice 4: If I may it's a matter of perception as always it's what you say

[1:07:52] Voice 4: is correct but it's I think the perception is different I mean by all

[1:07:57] Voice 4: means and we all do it when one's preparing you jot down your thoughts and

[1:08:04] Voice 4: emotion that you think you may make at the time and so and you might even give

[1:08:12] Voice 4: a copy of it to start so they can put it up on board but but it's not written it

[1:08:17] Voice 4: hasn't been circulated and it's it's still and you may very well have an open

[1:08:23] Voice 4: mind as I say it's a matter of perception and I don't think it's good

[1:08:27] Voice 4: the reception myself and certainly not what we were taught originally when we uh

[1:08:34] Voice 4: certainly not what i was taught in my early days as a trustee yes

[1:08:41] Voice 20: that's interesting i

[1:08:42] Voice 20: have actually spoken at length with senior staff about the whole notion of advancing

[1:08:48] Voice 20: motions in writing prior to the meeting and it is actually considered a good and best practice

[1:08:58] Voice 20: It is considered a good and best practice in order to give the heads up to the LTC what an individual is thinking, but it is also what's most significant in the entire conversation is that it is fully expected that every LTC member comes to the meeting with an open mind.

[1:09:20] Voice 20: and that's just and if there's a perception that that's not the case the perception is wrong every

[1:09:27] Voice 20: member is obligated to come to this table and i and i think that any motion that we

[1:09:33] Voice 20: do want to provide any advance notice to the ltc members about um indeed uh uh

[1:09:41] Voice 20: i expect that person to come to the meeting and make that motion expecting to have a discussion

[1:09:47] Voice 20: and could be swayed one way or the other based upon the conversation that unfolds in a public place.

[1:09:56] Voice 4: If this is considered best practice, fine.

[1:09:59] Voice 4: And I must say, to say that that perception is wrong, I mean, you can't say perception is wrong.

[1:10:08] Voice 4: A perception is a perception. And I'm talking about the perception of the general public as to what they see.

[1:10:13] Voice 4: And so you can't say, you know, you're wrong.

[1:10:16] Voice 4: this is that's their perception well that's

[1:10:18] Voice 4: fine yeah so anyhow I'm not going to drag it out anymore

[1:10:22] Voice 4: it is a concern I have always had and I will continue down that um and uh but this is what um

[1:10:29] Voice 4: was considered the best practice over yet well

[1:10:33] Voice 20: I I I'll just say I appreciate getting the heads up

[1:10:36] Voice 20: in advance of what's coming because it allows me to think and prepare accordingly uh plan region

[1:10:43] Voice 20: Did you plan that, Mr. Chairman?

[1:10:44] Voice 11: Perhaps I'd like to point out, too, that, you know, staff recognizes the problem in other jurisdictions,

[1:10:51] Voice 11: other committees, other OPCs, executive, what have you.

[1:10:57] Voice 11: And it's not unusual for staff to see, you know, while you're drafting that resolution or, you know,

[1:11:02] Voice 11: to have a pop-up on the screen and you have it in writing before you and before everybody.

[1:11:06] Voice 11: You know that as a conference, it's hard for us to be here because of the setup.

[1:11:12] Voice 11: That might be a, you know,

[1:11:14] Voice 11: that would still meet this actual literal

[1:11:18] Voice 11: interpretation. There might be other ways

[1:11:21] Voice 11: besides this sort of temporal

[1:11:23] Voice 11: thing ahead of time where

[1:11:25] Voice 11: I'm studying the writing during the meeting.

[1:11:29] It's an ongoing issue.

[1:11:35] Voice 11: It could be that we find a way to better

[1:11:37] Voice 11: the story.

[1:11:45] Voice 20: Okay, so

[1:11:46] Voice 20: I'm just going to simply ask if

[1:11:49] Voice 20: there's any further discussion or

[1:11:51] Voice 20: does a trustee wish to advance the motion?

[1:11:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'll be willing to advance the motion. I was just going to say

[1:11:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): your comments on the order and

[1:11:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): department i think that's always interesting and i think that's something that again us and

[1:12:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): the executive probably need to be aware of as we advance our language be more respectful and

[1:12:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): create that inclusive space because that language there should really be the same absolutely

[1:12:23] Voice 20: so

[1:12:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): that we could probably talk about that because i think that that is an evolving language

[1:12:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): which, and I-

[1:12:32] Voice 20: We're all making a different motion.

[1:12:35] Voice 20: Let's have these ones advance.

[1:12:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): First, I move that the Salt Spring Island

[1:12:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): Local Trust Committee By-law number 529

[1:12:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): cited the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[1:12:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): meeting procedure by-law number 529, 2021

[1:12:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): be given first, second, and third reading.

[1:12:52] Voice 4: I second that.

[1:12:53] Voice 4: I didn't know we could do that.

[1:12:56] Voice 4: That's, you know, it saves so much time.

[1:13:10] Voice 20: Thank you.

[1:13:17] Voice 4: It's on a timer.

[1:13:24] Voice 4: Not to

[1:13:25] Voice 4: worry, I'll do it.

[1:13:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): I hear it.

[1:13:31] Voice 20: Thank you.

[1:13:32] Voice 20: So, I have that moved and seconded.

[1:13:34] Voice 20: Any further discussion?

[1:13:36] Voice 20: All those in favor?

[1:13:38] Voice 4: I move that the Salisbury Analytical Trust Committee by-law No. 521 be approved.

[1:13:41] Voice 4: 9 site of the salting island local trust committee 529 by law 2021 be forwarded to the secretary of

[1:13:46] Voice 4: the island's trust for approval by the executive committee uh

[1:13:50] Voice 20: moved and seconded any further

[1:13:52] Voice 20: discussion all those in favor so that carries looking for that section where it talks about

[1:14:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): right toward the bottom or where was it sorry it's uh page 123 123

[1:14:15] Voice 20: yeah section 29. thank you very

[1:14:19] Voice 20: I'm just going to suggest, as a motion then, that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[1:14:31] Voice 20: request staff to review section 29 of bylaw number 529 for amendments to include inclusion

[1:14:46] Voice 20: and respectful, I think that's enough to get that ball rolling and return to the LTC with a suggested amendment.

[1:15:05] Voice 20: So, did anyone else forget that Rob?

[1:15:09] Voice 20: I

[1:15:10] Voice 12: got to close.

[1:15:12] Voice 12: That the Salisbury Island Local Trust Committee requests staff to review section 29 order and decorum of by-law number 529 for amendments to include inclusion and respectful conduct?

[1:15:29] Voice 20: Conduct and language, yeah.

[1:15:30] Voice 20: It gets the message across. You okay with that, Stefan?

[1:15:37] Voice 20: Yes, I totally agree with that.

[1:15:40] Voice 4: Yeah, that's the point. Peter Gross?

[1:15:42] Voice 4: And I didn't, I'm afraid, because it seems to me that it already, 29.1, already addresses such.

[1:15:53] Voice 4: Even 29.3 addresses it. So what more do you want?

[1:15:59] Voice 20: Well, I think there was just some better language that we can use today that I've been using and is apparent in other locations,

[1:16:06] Voice 20: but particularly identifying discriminatory behavior, identifying or making remarks that it's discriminatory against persons or organizations.

[1:16:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): Race or color?

[1:16:21] Voice 20: Yeah.

[1:16:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think

[1:16:23] Voice 20: it's worthy of reviewing in a modern lens.

[1:16:28] Voice 20: Okay. Is that all right?

[1:16:31] Voice 20: Sure.

[1:16:32] Voice 20: So moved. And do I have a seconder?

[1:16:34] Voice 20: Laura Patrick. Thank you, Laura. And so I'll just simply call for the vote. Then all those in favor?

[1:16:38] Voice 20: That carries. And we will

[1:16:40] Voice 20: obviously make that decision whether or not we want some new language

[1:16:43] Voice 20: in it when it comes back to us. Yes, sir? If you have language you'd like that you use...

[1:16:50] Voice 11: I will fire you

[1:16:51] Voice 20: this document that I use.

[1:16:52] Voice 20: If you before that...

[1:16:54] Voice 20: I will do that. Very good then. So that does it for 9.1.2, I believe. So 9.1.3 standing

[1:17:05] Voice 20: standing resolutions for First Nations consultation

[1:17:07] Voice 20: to propose Montana systems.

[1:17:10] Voice 20: We have a staff report here.

[1:17:12] Voice 20: Who's going to speak to that?

[1:17:13] Voice 20: Stefan, thank you.

[1:17:14] Voice 20: I do.

[1:17:16] Voice 11: I'll keep it short and sweet, Mr. Chair,

[1:17:18] Voice 11: that the LTC requested this on November 10th.

[1:17:22] Voice 11: They requested staff to draft a standing resolution.

[1:17:31] Voice 11: So we have it.

[1:17:34] Voice 11: There it is.

[1:17:35] Voice 11: That's the standing resolution that you requested.

[1:17:38] Voice 11: It was done in consultation, of course,

[1:17:40] Voice 11: with our senior intergovernmental policy advisor, Lisa Wilcox, and yeah, and it was kind of a group thing, and I went back and forth several times, and there's

[1:17:52] Voice 20: recommendations for you.

[1:17:54] Voice 20: Okay, thank you, sir. If there's any questions,

[1:17:58] Voice 4: I would wish to advance this work.

[1:18:00] Voice 4: And have we run this by some of our brothers and sisters from the First Nations? I know we have Lisa Wilcox, but this is going to affect them directly.

[1:18:09] Voice 4: That's

[1:18:10] Voice 11: a good question. These were lessons learned from some telecommunications issues that happened on other islands.

[1:18:17] Voice 11: I believe Thedas was one of them. But no, I can't confirm that we actually ran this by First Nations, only by our senior government.

[1:18:26] Voice 11: Perhaps I'll turn to my fellow planner.

[1:18:30] Voice 3: I don't think that the wording of this was referred. No, not specifically.

[1:18:35] Voice 3: I think Lisa has been working with First Nations though on some of these policies.

[1:18:40] Voice 3: or getting as mentioned, the lessons learned from comments made by First Nations on other applications as to what to look for in these.

[1:18:52] Voice 20: Yeah, I think our senior policy intergovernmental policy now is well informed and well resourced.

[1:19:01] Voice 20: and um i think we can take uh we can take this recommendation

[1:19:10] Voice 20: as being well informed by

[1:19:14] Voice 20: other leadership first nations leadership that is that is part of her circle of i

[1:19:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): see this as

[1:19:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): a stopgap measure and that i'm sure that when the antenna protocols are updated that that document

[1:19:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): would be referred out absolutely

[1:19:41] Voice 20: good point that makes sense so do i have a brave soul to read through

[1:19:47] Voice 20: this motion who's

[1:19:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): going to go first want me to do it okay i'll do the one there i move that the

[1:19:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): salt spring island local trust committee adopt the following standing resolution with respect

[1:19:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): to first nation's consultation in accordance with the strategy for antenna systems in the local

[1:20:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): trust area a proponent will consult with the local trust area representative during the

[1:20:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): pre-consultative phase to determine proximity of the proposed antenna system to known archaeological

[1:20:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): sites and or areas of archaeological potential and obtain a list of First Nations rights and title

[1:20:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): holders. The proponent is recommended to undertake consultation during the pre-consultation phase

[1:20:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): with Islands Trust and First Nations cultural knowledge holder for the siting of the proposed

[1:20:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): antenna system as it relates to cultural and sacred sites.

[1:20:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): The proponent will obtain and provide

[1:20:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): a BC archeological information request response

[1:20:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): from the BC archeological branch

[1:20:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): to confirm proximity of the proposed antenna system

[1:20:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): to known archeological sites and or archeological potential,

[1:20:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): including permit requirements

[1:20:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): under the Heritage Conservation Act.

[1:20:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): The proponent will obtain and provide

[1:20:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): an archeological impact assessment

[1:20:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): for antenna systems proposed to be sited

[1:21:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): on or within 100 meters of a known archaeological site or cultural sacred site identified by First Nations cultural knowledge holder

[1:21:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): and the proponent will provide written notice, including, if applicable, the archaeological impact assessment sent by regular mail

[1:21:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): or hand-delivered to all First Nations rights and title holders identified during the pre-consultation phase.

[1:21:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): Thank you very much.

[1:21:27] Voice 4: I'll second that.

[1:21:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): You're a

[1:21:28] Voice 20: seconder? Okay. Any further discussion?

[1:21:30] Voice 20: Quick question.

[1:21:31] Voice 4: Yes.

[1:21:32] Voice 4: Who is the local trust area representative? Do we mean staff by that?

[1:21:41] Voice 4: A.

[1:21:45] Voice 11: Yeah, I would

[1:21:45] Voice 11: assume it could be staff.

[1:21:47] Voice 4: I would say it's staff.

[1:21:50] Voice 4: I didn't necessarily assume it was staff, so maybe others might have the same issue.

[1:21:58] Voice 4: It sounds like it's a designated person.

[1:22:04] Voice 20: Well, in all likelihood it would be a shared responsibility of the chair of the LTC and

[1:22:09] Voice 20: the regional planning committee.

[1:22:14] Voice 20: You're not concerned about that?

[1:22:16] Voice 20: No.

[1:22:16] Voice 20: Okay, fine.

[1:22:18] Voice 20: So then I'll call for the vote.

[1:22:19] Voice 20: Yep.

[1:22:20] Voice 20: All those in favour?

[1:22:21] Voice 20: That carries unanimously.

[1:22:22] Voice 20: There is a second.

[1:22:23] Voice 4: And I move that the Salisbury Local Trust Committee forward the staff report dated December

[1:22:27] Voice 4: 14, 2021 to the regional planning committee.

[1:22:30] Voice 20: Moved.

[1:22:30] Voice 20: Seconded.

[1:22:31] Voice 20: Any discussion?

[1:22:32] Voice 20: All those in favour?

[1:22:34] Voice 20: That carries also.

[1:22:35] Voice 20: Thank you very much everybody.

[1:22:36] Voice 20: everybody. Okay, so now we're going to go into a closed meeting. We'll be returning from the

[1:22:43] Voice 20: closed meeting going into our break. We'll be returning here at noon today. So I want to thank

[1:22:49] Voice 20: people in the audience and people that are online for joining us today. And we will be reconvening

[1:22:57] Voice 20: here at noon with the trustee reports and a number of correspondents, delegations, and applications

[1:23:04] Voice 4: Thank you very much.

[1:23:06] Voice 4: So I move that the Salisbury Local Trust Committee close this meeting to the public, subject to Community Charter Section 91.

[1:23:14] Voice 4: A. Personal information about an unidentifiable individual who holds or is being considered for a position as an officer, employee or agent of the new municipality,

[1:23:24] Voice 4: or another position appointed by the new municipality, and that staff and advisers remain.

[1:23:29] Voice 4: before

[1:23:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): i second i think there's another clause that we needed to add

[1:23:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): oh

[1:23:34] Voice 11: i don't have that plausibility there's

[1:23:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): a clause on potential um litigation

[1:23:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): items linked to or related to potential litigation okay

[1:23:52] Voice 20: so an item uh regarding

[1:23:54] Voice 20: potential litigation just

[1:23:56] Voice 13: what letter that is

[1:23:57] Voice 20: amend it with the site the act

[1:23:59] Voice 20: yes so moved and seconded all those in favor yeah that carries so we're in camera i'm going

[1:24:13] Voice 20: to stop the recording good afternoon everyone and to our audience uh we'll be viewing this uh

[1:24:21] Voice 20: after the meeting my name is peter lockem i'm elected on fetus island i'm the appointed chair

[1:24:27] Voice 20: of the salt canal local trust committee and it's a great pleasure for me to be here on your island

[1:24:34] Voice 20: um and uh work in your community i just want to recognize that um here and uh the entire

[1:24:41] Voice 20: coast is uh territory and i am humbled and uh honored to be able to live and learn in this place

[1:24:49] Voice 20: um there's a tremendous rich history that goes back thousands of years and it's there for us to

[1:24:56] Voice 20: learn about and recommend we all take that journey so thank you um with me today at the

[1:25:04] Voice 20: social reality local trust committee is peter grove locally elected trustee laura patrick

[1:25:09] Voice 20: also locally elected we also have gary holman director of the capital regional district thank

[1:25:16] Voice 20: you for joining us today gary and then on the opposite side here is our minute taker

[1:25:21] Voice 20: Rob Pringle, thank you, and with us is staff-wise is regional planning manager Stefan Cermak

[1:25:28] Voice 20: and planner Jordi Gordon, so thank you for joining us.

[1:25:34] Voice 20: We've done some administrative work this morning already and we are now at the more public

[1:25:42] Voice 20: facing aspect of our meeting and we're beginning with a rise in report from an in-camera session

[1:25:49] Voice 20: that we had just prior to the break and what I would like to rise and report

[1:25:54] Voice 20: from that session is the local trust committee has appointed a new member to

[1:25:59] Voice 20: the housing task force and that is Friar Skye who made an application to sit on

[1:26:07] Voice 20: that committee and we think that she'll be a good fit there and wish everybody

[1:26:13] Voice 20: success on that work so thank you to the commit the task forces for the work that

[1:26:18] Voice 20: they're doing. I enjoy reading your minutes. Everything shows the depth and breadth of the

[1:26:24] Voice 20: conversation and appreciate the work that you do to help us and help the community advance with

[1:26:29] Voice 20: both of those topics. So our first items here then are going to be trustee reports and chairs and

[1:26:36] Voice 20: directors reports. And I'll start with the trustees. Who's going to go first today? Peter

[1:26:40] Voice 20: Israel, over to you.

[1:26:42] Voice 4: Hi.

[1:26:43] Voice 4: Thank you for joining us today.

[1:26:46] Voice 4: Since the last LTC, the biggest event in my life

[1:26:52] Voice 4: was Trust Council in Victoria, which I did not attend

[1:26:56] Voice 4: because a number of us didn't attend it by Zoom.

[1:27:00] Voice 4: And I thought it worked very well.

[1:27:03] Voice 4: You lose something by not actually being at the meeting.

[1:27:06] Voice 4: But having said that, it went effectively, I mean, brilliantly chaired by Peter Luckert.

[1:27:15] Voice 13: I must

[1:27:15] Voice 4: say, it boggles my mind how he manages to balance all those people as he does so well.

[1:27:24] Voice 4: The main event for me was the moving forward the budget for next year.

[1:27:31] Voice 4: year. At this point, we are looking at approximately a 5% increase in property taxes, but that's

[1:27:39] Voice 4: by no means final, and I'm hoping that we may be able to trim that a little more. I

[1:27:44] Voice 4: attended with my fellow trustees a very fruitful meeting of the AAPC, the Agricultural Advisory

[1:27:52] Voice 4: Planning Committee, and the Ag Alliance. Very good to get all these people in one room,

[1:28:00] Voice 4: regarding the future and agriculture on this island and what we can do to support it.

[1:28:06] Voice 4: I made a presentation to Rotary a couple of days ago about what's been going on in the world of the Islands Trust

[1:28:16] Voice 4: and my view of what's been going on in the world of Salt Spring Islands.

[1:28:20] Voice 4: So it's been a good month and I will end by wishing the community a very Merry Christmas

[1:28:28] Voice 4: and the best for new year, may it's been a rough year,

[1:28:32] Voice 4: this one we're just completing,

[1:28:33] Voice 4: and may the coming year be a little easier for all of us.

[1:28:38] Voice 4: Thank you, Chair.

[1:28:39] Voice 4: Thank you, Peter.

[1:28:41] Voice 20: Trustee Patrick, over to you.

[1:28:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): I just want to remind people that the survey

[1:28:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): is still open for the Ganges Village planning,

[1:28:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): and that it's open to the end of the month,

[1:28:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): and so really encourage people to take that survey

[1:28:56] Voice 1: and

[1:28:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): to provide feedback.

[1:28:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): back, it's an important first step and this is how you can help us work to create and

[1:29:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): better inform the future of Ganges. We're also going to be looking for more members

[1:29:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): to the Ganges Village Task Force, so if you know someone who would be a good fit to be

[1:29:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): on that task force, please encourage them to put their name forward for that group.

[1:29:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): group. I'm really pleased to, I was happy to see that the Coastal Douglas Fir and Associated

[1:29:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): Ecosystems Conservation Partnership have just published their updated conservation strategy

[1:29:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): plan. This five-year plan just came out this month, so I encourage you to take a look at

[1:29:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): that. I'm going to read you just the vision statement. I think it really helps and shows

[1:29:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): that the alignment where we're coming with our Coastal Douglas Fir project work here

[1:29:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): here on Salt Spring and to see this regional initiative

[1:29:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): sort of shaping together, it was exciting to see

[1:29:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): us all ending up in the same place.

[1:29:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I'll instruct.

[1:30:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): does work closely with the conservation partnership. But this is their vision for the plan, is

[1:30:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): that the coastal Douglas fir and associated ecosystems have ecological integrity and resilience

[1:30:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): to change. A system of core protected areas are actively managed to provide habitat for

[1:30:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): native species and places to learn about the importance of healthy ecosystems. Working

[1:30:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): landscapes are actively managed to enhance their ecosystem value while also supporting

[1:30:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): supporting jobs and economic development opportunities.

[1:30:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): The public and land managers understand

[1:30:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): that Coastal Douglas Fir and the associated ecosystems

[1:30:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): are special places that merit support and investment.

[1:30:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): I just encourage you to reach out

[1:30:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): and look at that plan and what they're working on.

[1:30:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): I participated in BC Healthy Community Initiative

[1:30:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): known as Plan H.

[1:30:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): They did a beta test of a new online course

[1:30:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's designed to strengthen local government decision makers' knowledge and awareness to support the creation of a more equitable community.

[1:31:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): That course is going to be out soon and I was really impressed with the content of that course.

[1:31:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): I really enjoyed my last November 19th Ask Salt Spring session at the library.

[1:31:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): There were a lot of new faces that came, and the group really wanted to get in and brainstorm solutions, and it was a fun day.

[1:31:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): I've attended a number of meetings as well.

[1:31:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): The Trust Council Standing Committee is the Executive of Financial Planning, and the Trust Council, I was there

[1:31:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): in person and got to see Peter on the screen up in front of us.

[1:31:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): It was kind of cool being in a hybrid meeting of that nature.

[1:31:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): We did pass a declaration of a housing equity and workforce shortage in the

[1:31:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): islands, but the ask of the province was sent to a committee for further study.

[1:32:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): I chaired the North Pender Local Trust Committee who have been working on their

[1:32:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): land use bylaw review and are preparing for a series of community information

[1:32:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): meetings in the new year. SWPA held a regular meeting and a workshop just

[1:32:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): yesterday. That workshop is to provide input to the first phase of the strategic planning for

[1:32:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): watershed protection, which is a situation analysis. I attended the Southern Gulf Islands Forum, which

[1:32:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): our MP, our MLA, along with the electoral area directors and all the trustees and First Nation

[1:32:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): representation get together on a regular basis. And at this past meeting, we've discussed sort of

[1:32:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): impacts of flooding throughout the region from that recent storm and that's my report thank you

[1:32:48] Voice 20: so from the chair's point of view an awful lot of federation related work and i won't repeat

[1:33:00] Voice 20: some of the aspects of the trust council that have been disclosed but i do want to acknowledge

[1:33:06] Voice 20: Peter Grove is chair of the financial planning committee,

[1:33:11] Voice 20: helped steward the draft financial plan to council

[1:33:14] Voice 20: and that is now going out for public consultation

[1:33:17] Voice 20: and your opportunity to provide us feedback

[1:33:20] Voice 20: on what that budget looks like for 2022, 23

[1:33:25] Voice 20: is much appreciated.

[1:33:27] Voice 20: And it's also, even as the chair,

[1:33:31] Voice 20: it seems difficult to manage us through those meetings,

[1:33:33] Voice 20: but we do manage successfully.

[1:33:35] Voice 20: And it comes about through the collaboration and good congeniality of both the trustees and the support from my vice-chairs,

[1:33:42] Voice 20: Laura Patrick and Dan Rogers and Sue Ellen Fast from Bowen and Pete's Trust Areas, as well as senior staff.

[1:33:53] Voice 20: Some of the other activities, of course, is always committee meetings that build up to developing the Trust Council agendas.

[1:34:01] Voice 20: And I sit on the ski island, Chelsea Island LTCs and assist them in their work.

[1:34:08] Voice 20: And I also attended the forum where we talked about the flooding and the big storm impact that we had.

[1:34:18] Voice 20: And yeah, so now we're trying to wrap up the year here in preparation for an exciting 2022, I think.

[1:34:27] Voice 20: So that's all for me.

[1:34:28] Voice 20: And I'll turn to Gary Holman, regional director.

[1:34:33] Voice 2: Thanks, Peter, and thanks to the local trust committee, as always, for allowing me to participate in the town hall.

[1:34:42] Voice 2: I guess an issue that's been preoccupying me, I know other elected officials on Salisbury or MLA and other organizations on Salisbury,

[1:34:54] Voice 2: has been the Seabreeze the the Lady Mental Hospital Foundation has an

[1:35:00] Voice 2: accepted offer on the Seabreeze and I think everybody knows this but I do want

[1:35:06] Voice 2: to emphasize the fact that the foundation stepped in when an offer by

[1:35:14] Voice 2: community services fell through because their donor fell through when BC housing

[1:35:20] Voice 2: despite advocacy by all locally elected officials on Salisbury and including our

[1:35:26] Voice 2: MLA including community services BC housing is declined by the Seabreeze so

[1:35:33] Voice 2: the foundation virtually the moment that all came to pass stepped in with an

[1:35:39] Voice 2: offer if they hadn't done that it's really important for the public to

[1:35:43] Voice 2: understand that if the foundation had not done that the Mattel probably would

[1:35:49] Voice 2: would be under new ownership,

[1:35:50] Voice 2: commercial ownership as we speak.

[1:35:53] Voice 2: So, I mean, it is good news that the motel

[1:35:57] Voice 2: will be repurposed for health worker housing,

[1:36:00] Voice 2: but of course the problem is that the existing tenants

[1:36:05] Voice 2: will be displaced.

[1:36:06] Voice 2: The foundation has already delayed

[1:36:09] Voice 2: its vacant possession date to February 15th.

[1:36:15] Voice 2: There may be some more flexibility there

[1:36:17] Voice 2: depending on what the what alternatives are found for the tenants all the

[1:36:24] Voice 2: agencies in particular BC Housing and Community Services are working with the

[1:36:30] Voice 2: tenants to try and find alternative accommodation that includes Drake Road I

[1:36:36] Voice 2: contacted Fields company that's just come to Salisbury and they bought a number of

[1:36:41] Voice 2: cottages with them the possible location of those cottages at Drake Road I've

[1:36:46] Voice 2: raised with the CRD board that that will require some support from either BC Housing or Community

[1:36:56] Voice 2: Services in terms of ongoing management that's just one of the options that's being considered

[1:37:02] Voice 2: there there may be better ones and the agencies are exploring all of them so we're all working

[1:37:09] Voice 2: hard on that including the foundation has been reaching out to all the agencies to try and

[1:37:14] Voice 2: and coordinate efforts facilitate uh efforts uh one bit of news that's not really necessarily crd

[1:37:21] Voice 2: related but uh van city uh is apparently foreclosing on the land bank properties on

[1:37:28] Voice 2: salt spring there are three properties depending on how that unfolds those properties may offer

[1:37:35] Voice 2: alternatives for Seabreeze tenants, both community services and an off-island

[1:37:42] Voice 2: agency that has a mandate much along the same lines as community services called

[1:37:47] Voice 2: Lookout Society. They were approached by the land bank around possible

[1:37:52] Voice 2: collaboration on their projects. So there are two agencies that are working with

[1:37:57] Voice 2: Vancity hopefully to secure those properties to continue their use for

[1:38:05] Voice 2: for affordable housing.

[1:38:06] Voice 2: We'll see how that unfolds.

[1:38:08] Voice 2: There could be some good news there,

[1:38:10] Voice 2: but my understanding is that the court process

[1:38:15] Voice 2: involved does not preclude competitive bidding

[1:38:19] Voice 2: from say private commercial developers.

[1:38:23] Voice 2: So it is possible that those properties could be lost,

[1:38:27] Voice 2: but it also was possible that they could be secured

[1:38:30] Voice 2: by NGOs to continue

[1:38:32] Voice 2: and it can actually make them work.

[1:38:38] Voice 2: As we know, Brackett Springs is kind of derelict.

[1:38:41] Voice 2: So there may be some good news there.

[1:38:44] Voice 2: The CRD had an open house at the middle school.

[1:38:47] Voice 2: The CRD is securing a five-year lease

[1:38:54] Voice 2: with the school district for the middle school.

[1:38:56] Voice 2: So there was an open house, I forget the date.

[1:39:02] Voice 2: but time passes. December 3rd. December 3rd, thank you. There were 200 people that attended that.

[1:39:08] Voice 2: There are dozens of NGOs that have expressed interest in the middle school, which is an

[1:39:15] Voice 2: incredible opportunity for our community. I've been stressing with those groups the importance

[1:39:23] Voice 2: of collaborating and cooperating rather than competing for space. I think they will be more

[1:39:29] Voice 2: more successful. The building will be more successful to the extent that can be done.

[1:39:36] Voice 2: And I do want to continue to put in a public pitch for the possible use of the middle school

[1:39:42] Voice 2: to co-locate local government offices. Right now, the trust and the CRD are all paying commercial

[1:39:51] Voice 2: rent in three separate spaces to the tune of about $135,000 a year. We do need longer tenure

[1:39:59] Voice 2: at the middle school to make that work because of the renovations that would be

[1:40:03] Voice 2: required to make them suitable so this is potential it's not without that

[1:40:08] Voice 2: long-term tenure if it's not really possible but I want to keep talking

[1:40:13] Voice 2: about that publicly it is our best chance of my view best chance lowest

[1:40:19] Voice 2: cost opportunity to actually co-locate local government offices which we've

[1:40:24] Voice 2: been talking about for years uh but to purchase land new bill and and new build uh office

[1:40:31] Voice 2: facilities very expensive and the middle school offers a much lower cost alternative uh but

[1:40:38] Voice 2: competition from uh ngos for that space and and there's no doubt there is need for space for

[1:40:46] Voice 2: nonprofits on salt spring but i want to keep mentioning the possibility of local government

[1:40:51] Voice 2: I don't think it's necessarily high on the community's wish list, hey, let's get new

[1:40:58] Voice 2: office space for local government.

[1:41:00] Voice 2: But in fact, it would be a lower cost alternative if we can co-locate.

[1:41:04] Voice 2: There's obviously efficiencies there and rent from local government would help subsidize

[1:41:11] Voice 2: the rents for those NGOs.

[1:41:13] Voice 2: Just so people know, I explained this in our public budget meeting for the CRD, the tax,

[1:41:20] Voice 2: The requisition increase for Parks and Rec, which is the entity that's taking on the lease, is around $120,000 a year increase in requisition.

[1:41:33] Voice 2: That's offset by other factors. We're looking at about a three and a half percent increase for the CRD this year.

[1:41:42] Voice 2: But there was a single biggest portion of the local tax increase for CRD was about the requisition for the middle school so that we could provide those spaces at affordable rates for NGOs and just so people understand what that connection is.

[1:41:58] Voice 2: But if we can get local government offices co-located there, it would offer the possibility of reducing that requisition because we would, of course, pay rent still.

[1:42:12] Voice 2: And so there'd be the opportunity to not only subsidize NGOs in the

[1:42:18] Voice 2: building, but possibly even reduce the taxpayer cost of what we're already paying for those local government offices.

[1:42:24] Voice 2: So I want to keep saying that publicly because I know there's going to be a lot of competition for that wonderful space.

[1:42:31] Voice 2: I attended the SWPPP meeting, the strategic review that's underway, and I do think it's a useful process.

[1:42:45] Voice 2: I do think there are going to be some good things coming out of it.

[1:42:50] Voice 2: I'm more about doing stuff rather than planning,

[1:42:54] Voice 2: but planning is important.

[1:42:55] Voice 2: And I think it is important to review SWPA.

[1:43:00] Voice 2: My particular bias, the CRD bias, we're service delivery.

[1:43:04] Voice 2: I was trusted primarily around watershed protection.

[1:43:08] Voice 2: I do think SWPA needs to focus a bit more

[1:43:11] Voice 2: on drinking water to be blunt.

[1:43:16] Voice 2: And I do think we should be focusing more

[1:43:19] Voice 2: or on the North Salt Spring Portorium

[1:43:21] Voice 2: because it's not obviously just about drinking water.

[1:43:25] Voice 2: It's our key provider for Ganges Village.

[1:43:28] Voice 2: It's a significant obstacle

[1:43:29] Voice 2: to affordable housing on the island.

[1:43:31] Voice 2: We're still getting affordable housing built,

[1:43:34] Voice 2: but I think we should be aiming right at that problem.

[1:43:37] Voice 2: And I think there are strategies that we could employ,

[1:43:41] Voice 2: talk about at SWPA that might help address

[1:43:44] Voice 2: that water portorium issue.

[1:43:49] Voice 2: With respect to North Salt Spring, people are aware that CRD, the province of North Salt Spring, have been in discussions about the possibility of North Salt Spring converting to a regional district entity.

[1:44:03] Voice 2: And provincial governments of all stripes have made it clear that the only way North Salt Spring can qualify for any improvement district, can qualify for infrastructure funding, is to become part of local government.

[1:44:17] Voice 2: In our case, that means becoming a CRD entity.

[1:44:21] Voice 2: North Salt Spring does have concerns about loss of local control to the CRD board in Victoria.

[1:44:28] Voice 2: In my view, in effect, that concern is overblown, but certainly deserves to be discussed.

[1:44:35] Voice 2: The other concern is, well, we can be eligible for grants, but that doesn't necessarily mean we get them.

[1:44:41] Voice 2: The province, and again, this is public, and I've spoken about this before,

[1:44:46] Voice 2: The province has sent correspondence to North Salt Spring and the CRD, making it clear that the rate payers of North Salt Spring would not even be expected to consider inclusion within the CRD unless the outcome of a grant application, and there is a current federal provincial grant infrastructure program in play with a deadline of January 26th.

[1:45:14] Voice 2: the rate payers would not be expected to consider conversion or the trustees

[1:45:19] Voice 2: unless the outcome of that grant application was known that is about as

[1:45:24] Voice 2: close as you can get to saying unless there's money on the table there's no

[1:45:28] Voice 2: point in going to rate payers furthermore the province has also made

[1:45:32] Voice 2: it clear that they would set aside funds within that program if they were

[1:45:36] Voice 2: successful which again is a remarkable gesture on behalf of the province and

[1:45:43] Voice 2: And the importance of North Salt Spring, not just to our community, they're one of the largest improvement districts in B.C.

[1:45:49] Voice 2: Clearly, the provincial government is anxious to have them become part of local government.

[1:45:56] Voice 2: But those infrastructure programs are always oversubscribed.

[1:46:01] Voice 2: There is always way more applications for funding than there are dollars available.

[1:46:05] Voice 2: But the province has addressed both of those concerns.

[1:46:08] Voice 2: And so my plea to North Salt Spring, which I've made before publicly, and the time is growing short, North Salt Spring is CRE's top priority for applying for infrastructure funding, but if the answer is no, they don't want to proceed, and at least at this point, that seems to be the answer.

[1:46:32] Voice 2: the door is still slightly open but if north salt spring declines to pursue that path

[1:46:38] Voice 2: crd will be submitting an infrastructure grant application for another water district or other

[1:46:43] Voice 2: water districts we are not going to let the opportunity go by just a couple of

[1:46:51] Voice 2: quick things uh ask which we all which laura mentioned we all attend as elected officials

[1:46:57] Voice 2: officials ask meeting every month.

[1:47:00] Voice 2: They're trying to organize an interagency meeting

[1:47:02] Voice 2: in the new year.

[1:47:07] Voice 2: We'll see how that plays out.

[1:47:09] Voice 2: It's really difficult trying to herd the cats

[1:47:12] Voice 2: in terms of trying to get the agencies together,

[1:47:14] Voice 2: particularly provincial agencies.

[1:47:16] Voice 2: I do wanna make clear though,

[1:47:18] Voice 2: that on a day-to-day basis, elected officials, staff,

[1:47:22] Voice 2: we're always talking with one another.

[1:47:24] Voice 2: It's not like, well, we need to have an interagency meeting

[1:47:27] Voice 2: to discuss with MOT concerns around road repairs, right?

[1:47:31] Voice 2: Like our locally elected officials, our MLA

[1:47:35] Voice 2: are talking to these agents,

[1:47:36] Voice 2: we're talking amongst one another all the time.

[1:47:41] Voice 2: Now, are we as effective as we should be?

[1:47:45] Voice 2: There's always room for improvement,

[1:47:47] Voice 2: but just so people know that an inter-agency meeting,

[1:47:50] Voice 2: it is, that's not the only way we communicate

[1:47:54] Voice 2: communicate on another.

[1:47:57] Voice 2: Just a couple of points.

[1:47:59] Voice 2: You may have noticed driving up Drake Road,

[1:48:03] Voice 2: the new pathway coming from Bishop's Walk,

[1:48:06] Voice 2: that was a Parks and Rec pathway.

[1:48:09] Voice 2: We actually got an infrastructure grant,

[1:48:11] Voice 2: about 100,000 for that pathway.

[1:48:13] Voice 2: I believe it goes over the sewer line,

[1:48:16] Voice 2: which goes up the hill.

[1:48:17] Voice 2: So that'll be great for folks living in Salisbury Commons,

[1:48:21] Voice 2: the affordable housing,

[1:48:22] Voice 2: where they can come down to Drake Road.

[1:48:23] Voice 2: they won't have to walk on the main road. And also, I'm not sure if I've mentioned before,

[1:48:30] Voice 2: the CRD worked with community services to apply for and have received a grant from UBCM,

[1:48:37] Voice 2: a COVID recovery grant of roughly $400,000, which is being administered by the CRD and

[1:48:45] Voice 2: and community services

[1:48:47] Voice 2: for the various aspects of that project,

[1:48:50] Voice 2: submit invoices to that funding.

[1:48:55] Voice 2: And part of that funding is to help pay

[1:48:58] Voice 2: for rent at the Seabreeze.

[1:49:01] Voice 2: So some of these issues are coming together.

[1:49:04] Voice 2: That's it for me, thanks chair.

[1:49:07] Voice 20: Well, you're a busy guy.

[1:49:08] Voice 20: Thank you very much for that extensive report

[1:49:10] Voice 20: and all the work that you do in the community here.

[1:49:12] Voice 20: here. So that concludes our reporting. We now have the

[1:49:21] Voice 20: correspondence section of our agenda section 14. We have eight

[1:49:26] Voice 20: different pieces here. A number of these are flagged as for

[1:49:29] Voice 20: consideration or for information. And at the pleasure

[1:49:33] Voice 20: of the LTC, I'd like to go through the recognize the ones

[1:49:36] Voice 20: that are on the list for information, and just receive

[1:49:40] Voice 20: those and that would be 14.2 letter from Vega regarding salt spring LTC

[1:49:47] Voice 20: resolution 2017 168 that's for information letter from best regarding

[1:49:55] Voice 20: resignation from the Ganges village plan being task force a letter from McQuaid

[1:50:02] Voice 20: regarding the Rogers Tower update 14.7 a letter from myself just carbon copies to

[1:50:11] Voice 20: the LTC to Cyprus Land Services who's responsible for the management and

[1:50:17] Voice 20: communication of the Rogers South our proposal waiting to hear back from them

[1:50:23] Voice 20: 14.3. Martel is a letter from our staff regarding an unjust conservancy. So just receive those items for information if that's alright.

[1:50:35] Voice 20: And then I'll just go through sequentially here the items that have been flagged as some consideration.

[1:50:41] Voice 20: The first one being a letter from Ms. McClain regarding rents at 121 Aikens Road, Meadowbrook.

[1:50:50] Voice 20: um just ask the ltc um do you wish to take any action with respect to that one

[1:50:55] Voice 20: um but i'll note that uh the writer is also a delegate uh um later in our meeting here as well

[1:51:01] Voice 20: that might be an opportunity to ask questions is there anything with this particular piece

[1:51:05] Voice 20: of correspondence um i

[1:51:07] Voice 20: don't

[1:51:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): know if it's it might be good to share that with the housing

[1:51:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): action task force because i know they're working on suggestions on just sort of the management

[1:51:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): aspects of housing agreements and all of those things sure

[1:51:23] Voice 20: you want to put a

[1:51:24] Voice 20: motion on table that to forward that to the housing task one

[1:51:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): sure I move that we

[1:51:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): forward item 14.1 J McLean to the LTC to the housing task force for information

[1:51:36] Voice 20: seconded by Peter Grove all those in favor okay thank you very much so the

[1:51:41] Voice 20: next item then is uh from uh uh miss skye um concerning uh housing changes in the agricultural

[1:51:49] Voice 20: land reserve is there any direction for that one consideration i mean we've

[1:51:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): got the draft bylaws

[1:51:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): making their way through the process i'd say this should just be probably filed right

[1:52:02] Voice 20: so we'll just

[1:52:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): receive

[1:52:03] Voice 20: this information and go just add it to the file receive the information okay thank you

[1:52:08] Voice 20: and i'll thank the writer for that uh careful piece of input appreciated uh the next one um

[1:52:18] Voice 20: foresight um uh corresponds between foresight and patrick and the region planning manager

[1:52:25] Voice 20: is mentioning housing on the farmland and i think that that may be similar any remark there well i

[1:52:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): think i i do know that the housing task force and staff are working on the pilot that all people

[1:52:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): will have that opportunity to fit to it if it works

[1:52:43] Voice 20: so we receive that information yeah okay

[1:52:46] Voice 20: thank you very much so thank you to all of the writers uh for the letters so the next item then

[1:52:53] Voice 20: is our delegations um we uh according to our own policy we have 15 minutes allocated for

[1:53:00] Voice 20: delegations and and uh normally we suggest that there'd be five minutes allocated to delegations

[1:53:08] Voice 20: we can be more formal or less formal and this is a question to the LTC and that I'm trusting that

[1:53:15] Voice 20: the four people that have asked to be delegates today that being Ms. McLean, Maffey,

[1:53:26] Voice 20: and Atork are all here and I've seen a few nods and so I would like to extend a maximum

[1:53:34] Voice 20: on five minutes to each of the speakers, if that's all right with the LPC, and that will

[1:53:38] Voice 20: extend us into 20 minutes, and so let us then

[1:53:42] Voice 20: begin, and just ask all the speakers to be

[1:53:46] Voice 20: respectful of your friends and neighbors

[1:53:50] Voice 20: in the audience, our staff, trustees, be careful about your choice of language,

[1:53:55] Voice 20: and let's not be discriminatory

[1:54:00] Voice 20: or in any way single-out

[1:54:02] Voice 20: individuals and let's speak to the issues and let us begin with that all

[1:54:07] Voice 20: right so Ms. McLean I think you're our first speaker today regarding GISRA

[1:54:15] Voice 1: yes I'm also here on a general topic of the lack of equity equitable housing

[1:54:23] Voice 1: work there's this gap here between people who can afford housing and people

[1:54:28] Voice 1: who cannot afford housing so just to begin i will speak to gary about what the situation is with

[1:54:36] Voice 1: sea breeze um the main thing hanging over everybody's head on salt spring is that people

[1:54:41] Voice 1: who are ill you know one who's going through chemotherapy are told by the lady mental hospital

[1:54:45] Voice 1: foundation that they're convicted as a february the 15th and it's very difficult for people on

[1:54:51] Voice 1: salt spring island to understand how a hospital foundation currently has received 14 million

[1:54:57] Voice 1: dollars can't extend the housing for the people until more warmer weather so

[1:55:03] Voice 1: instead of it being said we're going to help secure these people until warmer

[1:55:08] Voice 1: weather or until they aren't just getting out of the rain it's being constantly put in the media as if

[1:55:13] Voice 1: this was something that the Mental Hospital Foundation has no control over so that

[1:55:17] Voice 1: would be the angle that I would like to see this pursued in terms of

[1:55:20] Voice 1: information going out and so anyways I'm actually here to talk about coming at

[1:55:27] Voice 1: ES01282 and to request a deadline for Gizra to provide their information like as you know as

[1:55:37] Voice 1: within my letter I requested the information for the starting rents when the facility opened in

[1:55:46] Voice 1: September 2003 and whether they agreed or kept with all these different items and whether there

[1:55:54] Voice 1: There were two levels of rental charges,

[1:55:57] Voice 1: one for a basic level and another optional level.

[1:56:02] Voice 1: So on it goes.

[1:56:04] Voice 1: And because you have that all in my letter,

[1:56:06] Voice 1: I don't need to read all of that out.

[1:56:08] Voice 1: But that was the basis of this property,

[1:56:11] Voice 1: 121 Atkins being rezoned

[1:56:14] Voice 1: from what was a single family dwelling on a place

[1:56:18] Voice 1: that was a significant watershed

[1:56:20] Voice 1: and having it changed into multi-housing

[1:56:23] Voice 1: and then being allowed to jump up from the original idea of 17 units to jump up to 37 units

[1:56:31] Voice 1: and also to fit in a very large, impermeable parking lot,

[1:56:34] Voice 1: to also have an interior lot line berm not really recognized.

[1:56:41] Voice 1: It was mandated to be a certain size, and even at the reduced size, that berm was never maintained.

[1:56:48] Voice 1: So there's many, many promises that were made,

[1:56:50] Voice 1: And the reason that that was allowed to go forward was because this was meant to be affordable rental housing for seniors.

[1:56:57] Voice 1: And I know that people feel like that they have compassion for Gizra, but also please have compassion for the tenants and recognize that even a certain amount, I'd say more than half of the people currently in Seabreeze are actually seniors.

[1:57:09] Voice 1: And the fact that a senior who really, really needs housing, not just trying to retire somewhere easier for them, but they're looking at a choice between having housing or being homeless, cannot have access at all.

[1:57:21] Voice 1: So it was meant with a much different intention, and then it wasn't really kept on top of to make sure that it was following that.

[1:57:31] Voice 1: that and then with these um terms of instrument i'll just try to uh get into this very quickly

[1:57:39] Voice 1: my time's up but okay so uh one of the points is that was meant that the tenants themselves

[1:57:49] Voice 1: should receive a copy of the housing agreement like the covenant so that they would know

[1:57:55] Voice 1: the terms and i'm sure that the tenants are not receiving that so they don't even know

[1:58:00] Voice 1: I know that they've been paying actually far too much because it's been above, the increases have been above what's allowed provincially under the Rental Tenancy Act.

[1:58:10] Voice 1: So not only did they not keep with an affordable agreement, they also have raised the rents above what's legally allowed provincially under the Rental Tenancy Act.

[1:58:21] Voice 1: and it is actually binding upon the island's trust by law to enforce this

[1:58:29] Voice 1: and I guess what I'll do is I'll send you these things later in the mail or

[1:58:35] Voice 1: you know in the email because um you know it's probably too much to get into

[1:58:38] Voice 1: because these are very long these agreements but my my request is to set a

[1:58:45] Voice 1: deadline for Israel to provide this information because they have all these

[1:58:49] Voice 1: questions and they've been knowing about this since july 2021 and they came last time their

[1:58:56] Voice 1: full information they provided to all these questions there's no uh response there's no

[1:59:01] Voice 1: information so they don't actually have any accounting information for almost 19 years

[1:59:06] Voice 1: which actually is something that should set off so many alarm bells when you ask well how much

[1:59:13] Voice 1: did you charge is it divided with a base level or another level when did you raise the rent what's

[1:59:19] Voice 1: your rent now what was your rent when you started and they have no uh no reaction like they wrote

[1:59:25] Voice 1: that they have no records so then you know you look at these situations of how what i like to

[1:59:31] Voice 1: see in ganges i mean i love you know that people can retire to ganges i also love that there's

[1:59:37] Voice 1: schools in ganges and there's children in ganges and just before i wrap up i'd like to say the

[1:59:43] Voice 1: middle school is an awesome a1 school my daughter goes there to grade seven they have woodshop

[1:59:47] Voice 1: surface they have many many things it's a school store it's super sad for those kids and teachers

[1:59:53] Voice 1: that that's um possibly now closing down so i hope instead of the whole ngo is thinking

[2:00:00] Voice 1: moving in on this building we keep our hope alive that that will remain a school and there will be a

[2:00:05] Voice 1: a bunch of families who can afford to live here and we have a school there

[2:00:09] Voice 1: not all these government offices and please set a deadline for gizmo thank you okay

[2:00:15] Voice 20: thank you very

[2:00:15] Voice 20: much um i'm gonna go to our next speaker um uh matthew concerning the vortex development proposal

[2:00:26] Voice 20: over and you'll have five minutes over thank you

[2:00:30] Voice 15: thank you um i know that uh the topic of the

[2:00:35] Voice 15: vortex uh which was to be on this meeting has been postponed uh we don't know why maybe until

[2:00:42] Voice 15: january but if the proceeds are still thinking about it i'd like to give you something to think

[2:00:49] Voice 15: about. I wish to speak on the Orbitz project from my perspective as an anthropologist who has spent

[2:00:57] Voice 15: over a quarter of a century studying the relationship between people and the environment

[2:01:02] Voice 15: all around the world and educating the public about the value of diversity in both nature and

[2:01:08] Voice 15: culture. The key lesson that I have learned over time is that how a community relates to its

[2:01:15] Voice 15: natural surrounds is a critical determinant of the health of both the environment and the community

[2:01:22] Voice 15: itself wherever people recognize that they are a part of nature not apart from it and act with

[2:01:30] Voice 15: respect and care to sustain the natural environment that sustains them both people and nature right

[2:01:38] Voice 15: the opposite however has become all too common today as we increasingly see ourselves as separate

[2:01:45] Voice 15: from and dominate over the natural world, and behave as if nature were not an indispensable

[2:01:52] Voice 15: life force, but rather a disposable resource, something that's out there for the taking

[2:01:59] Voice 15: in the solutions of our material goals and personal ramifications.

[2:02:04] Voice 15: But as the real and present threats of human-induced climate change, biodiversity loss, and ecosystem

[2:02:12] Voice 15: Existence and degradation are here to remind us that the reality is that if we ignore our vital interdependence with nature, we do so to our great peril.

[2:02:25] Voice 15: Now, what does this perspective have to do with Salt Spring Island and the case of the Vortex Project?

[2:02:30] Voice 15: A great deal, I would argue.

[2:02:33] Voice 15: Many of us these days have at least some awareness that the way of life of the First Nations

[2:02:40] Voice 15: who first inhabited these lands was a prime example of harmonious coexistence of people

[2:02:45] Voice 15: and nature.

[2:02:46] Voice 15: Although European settlers later disrupted and displaced that way of life and transformed

[2:02:52] Voice 15: the landscape to suit their own life ways, they established a different form of people-nature

[2:02:58] Voice 15: integration, one that gave rise to the rural character that we still know and

[2:03:04] Voice 15: cherish today in the Gulf Islands. And it was precisely to preserve and

[2:03:10] Voice 15: protect that unique combination of natural and rural features that the

[2:03:15] Voice 15: islands trust was created over 45 years ago, when it became apparent that outside

[2:03:20] Voice 15: Russians were putting the islands at risk of losing that natural and cultural

[2:03:25] Voice 15: to overdevelopment. The Trust's record in pursuing its mandate has been mixed, however,

[2:03:37] Voice 15: and development pressures have persisted and intensified, chipping away at the Gulf Islands'

[2:03:43] Voice 15: unique character. What is incessantly promoted by local real estate and tourism industries

[2:03:50] Voice 15: as well as other tourism-dependent industries as a piece of paradise is progressively being

[2:03:56] Voice 15: being paid over and turning into a culturally amorphous and ecologically degraded piece

[2:04:02] Voice 15: of gay world land that is especially true of Salisbury Island, the most coveted destination

[2:04:10] Voice 15: in the Gulf Islands.

[2:04:11] Voice 15: And the proposed board mix project with its luxury cookie-cutter style of design and its

[2:04:18] Voice 15: highly inappropriate ecologically risky location is a prime example of this ecoculturally destructive

[2:04:25] Voice 15: That the developer would propose a project of this nature, so disconnected from its natural

[2:04:34] Voice 15: and cultural context, is perhaps not unexpected, that our LTC would even consider it against

[2:04:42] Voice 15: the recommendation of its own staff and the widely voiced opposition of its noted community,

[2:04:47] Voice 15: let alone give the project highly questionable barriers and concessions, is disheartening

[2:04:53] Voice 15: and a troublesome sign that the trust is increasingly failing to uphold its mandate.

[2:05:00] Voice 15: The bottom line is, we don't need more tourist accommodations and commercial developments,

[2:05:07] Voice 15: particularly not ones that are so stridently at odds with the island's natural and rural character

[2:05:13] Voice 15: and that pose serious agricultural risks for the island.

[2:05:17] Voice 15: What we do need is more protection and as much as possible revitalization of salt springs

[2:05:24] Voice 15: and the Gulf Islands' unique character.

[2:05:27] Voice 15: What we do need is rebuilding long-term harmony between people and nature and fostering a

[2:05:33] Voice 15: healthy, resilient community within healthy, healthy, resilient ecosystems that will better

[2:05:39] Voice 15: buffer us from the evermore menacing threats of climate change and the other environmental

[2:05:45] Voice 15: and existential crises we are facing today.

[2:05:48] Voice 15: What we do need is a new way of thinking that will lead us on the new path we must take.

[2:05:55] Voice 15: What we do need, specifically in Fulcrum, is not the vortex, but a community project

[2:06:01] Voice 15: to restore the two creeks in the estuary and revive their life systems and ecological functions.

[2:06:09] Voice 15: What we do need is for the trustees to say a resounding no to the vortex

[2:06:14] Voice 15: and for the developers to consider donating the land to the community

[2:06:18] Voice 15: So that's such a vital restoration project they get underway, for the benefit of our community and that of the community of life at large.

[2:06:28] Voice 15: That, if not yet another, could be anywhere to be restored, is what we should become known, admired, and imitated far and wide.

[2:06:38] Voice 15: Think

[2:06:39] Voice 13: about

[2:06:40] Voice 15: it, trustees. In the court of public opinion, you can be judged for what you will have done.

[2:06:46] Voice 15: Recall the mandate you were elected to serve, not for putting another male queen in Scotland.

[2:06:53] Voice 15: Thank

[2:06:54] Voice 20: you very much for coming today.

[2:06:59] Voice 20: Now, Rapport is the next speaker, also concerning the vortex development.

[2:07:03] Voice 20: one and if you can manage your time to five minutes that'd be great i'll give you a signal when

[2:07:10] Voice 11: thank you there's a small title of my name there's two p's i thought there was two p's

[2:07:15] Voice 11: um i've already submitted the the uh full text of what i have to say yeah and it's part of the

[2:07:23] Voice 11: agenda i understand so yes this is an abbreviated person i will read it just to the same time

[2:07:28] Voice 11: So based on more than four decades of assessing the health of ecosystems around the world,

[2:07:34] Voice 11: I'm here to offer a professional opinion on the Vortex project, the risk it poses to our

[2:07:40] Voice 11: ecosystems, the risk it poses to our community, and why it should not go forward.

[2:07:47] Voice 11: Two years ago, when the project first came up for consideration, the LTC approved a variance

[2:07:53] Voice 11: of the 70 PO and the setback, enabling the scientists to move forward.

[2:07:57] Voice 11: So, as I understand it, that decision was counter to the advice of the planners and

[2:08:03] Voice 11: senior fresh water experts, and it sort of ignored those concerns, and the reason behind

[2:08:13] Voice 11: the trust decision back then, whatever they were, the recent severe flooding events changes

[2:08:20] Voice 11: the picture completely, in my opinion.

[2:08:36] Voice 11: The lessons for us on Salt Spring and for the Gulf Islands is to insist on more stringent

[2:08:45] Voice 11: environmental safeguards, not less.

[2:08:47] Voice 11: In this new reality, the vortex budging is no longer viable if it ever was.

[2:08:56] Voice 11: It now carries an unacceptable risk, in my view, given its locale and the high probability

[2:09:02] Voice 11: of future atmospheric rivers of greater frequency and intensity.

[2:09:07] Voice 11: A septic system, which was questionable from the start, is now, in my view, a non-starter

[2:09:13] Voice 11: in light of recent events.

[2:09:18] Voice 11: Septic fields were never designed to cope with the intense flooding that overwhelmed us in the latter part of November.

[2:09:25] Voice 11: Sewage, as we all know, is not a benign substance. It carries human pathogens, toxins, pharmaceutical waste, and a heavy load of nutrients.

[2:09:35] Voice 11: The nutrient load alone, if leached into the harbor, would serve to further compromise its ecological health.

[2:09:41] Voice 11: There's no question about that. And it would potentially pose a risk to human health.

[2:09:46] Voice 11: With the anticipated increase in the frequency and severity of extreme weather events,

[2:09:54] Voice 11: 70 capillaries, especially those located in areas prone to flooding,

[2:09:58] Voice 11: we call that part of the landscape on which the importance of the proposed was described as soothing during the flooding event,

[2:10:07] Voice 11: are bound to fail and leach their contents into surface water,

[2:10:11] Voice 11: In this case, compromising one of the islands' important stream-examining-sharing streams and, ultimately, compromising the helicopter target.

[2:10:21] Voice 11: Adding further stress to an already stressed ecosystem is a tried-and-true recipe for tipping the apple cart.

[2:10:28] Voice 11: A safety field in the proposed location, no matter how constructed, is likely to be an homage to the potential fury of storms and atmospheric rivers.

[2:10:38] Voice 11: All this calls for bearing on the silent option.

[2:10:43] Voice 11: It would be foolhardy and outright reckless, in my view, for you, our trustees, whose obligation

[2:10:54] Voice 11: is to preserve and protect the environment and rural care through Salt Spring, to allow

[2:11:00] Voice 11: this project to proceed with all the attendant risks and uncertainties for the environment,

[2:11:05] Voice 11: for our livelihoods, and for our health.

[2:11:08] Voice 11: to proceed would almost certainly mean to court devastating potential consequences.

[2:11:17] Voice 11: I urge you, trustees, to reconsider and withdraw your support for this budget.

[2:11:24] Voice 11: You have the right and obligation to do so in view of rapidly changing circumstances,

[2:11:30] Voice 11: which were not at all apparent two years ago, or not even last year, or not even a few months ago.

[2:11:42] Voice 11: Circumstances have far-reaching implications for the health of our ecosystems and our health and our community.

[2:11:51] Voice 11: So to do otherwise is likely to lead to incalculable loss.

[2:11:55] Voice 11: Thank you for your attention.

[2:12:00] Voice 20: Thank you.

[2:12:00] Voice 20: Thank you very much for coming today, Mr. Rappaport.

[2:12:03] Voice 20: I'm sorry about the misspelling of your name.

[2:12:06] Voice 20: And I'll go to the next speaker now, Ator, also concerning the Vortex project.

[2:12:16] Voice 9: Yeah, my name's actually at work, but everybody makes a mistake.

[2:12:23] Voice 9: What I was going to say is, I get there and I walk. Every morning, it quite literally makes me yell when I think of what's going to happen.

[2:12:32] Voice 9: And so I'm not happy. I've gone through the back reports and everything. Anyway, I've got much more than I can say here.

[2:12:40] Voice 9: I'm going to have to cut it down. When I get to a trustee's name, I'm going to say one trustee.

[2:12:47] Voice 9: Because I'm going to quote what you guys said at the meeting in 2019.

[2:12:52] Voice 20: So let's

[2:12:53] Voice 9: start the timer.

[2:12:55] Voice 9: Okay. So many things to cover. Organic waste compounds, like pharmaceuticals and all that.

[2:13:03] Voice 9: First Nations consultation was a disaster.

[2:13:08] Voice 9: Pressure on planners. After the December 19, 2019 meeting, we saw the applicant's lawyer threaten the Trust with legal action if planners obstructed the development permit application.

[2:13:19] Voice 9: It became clear there had been a lot of friction, especially regarding the definition of motel.

[2:13:24] Voice 9: The pressure on planners is intense, and it is only more intense when trustees openly take a pro-development stance.

[2:13:33] Voice 9: Consider this statement by one trustee. As I said before, last time you were before us, we'd love to see a development on this property.

[2:13:42] Voice 9: This shows that the trustee, at the very least, was in favour of a large development proposal all along.

[2:13:50] Voice 9: How have these combined pressures from the applicant and trustees affected staff reports?

[2:13:55] Voice 9: A comparison of the two staff reports reveals puzzling modifications.

[2:13:59] Voice 9: applications. The August report made it clear, in plain English, proceed no further with

[2:14:04] Voice 9: this application, while the December report started with numerical comedy book. Only by

[2:14:11] Voice 9: scrolling through the appendix and various schedules did I figure out that the recommendation

[2:14:15] Voice 9: was to proceed with the minor variances, but not the setbacks to the water bottles. Why

[2:14:22] Voice 9: not just state that in plain English at the top of the report so there would be no misunderstanding

[2:14:26] Voice 9: standing and confusion and there was confusion at the december 19 meeting there was confusion

[2:14:34] Voice 9: when cheryl asked about the primary recommendation then in an october 31 2021 letter just a while

[2:14:42] Voice 9: ago to a vortex opponent another trustee wrote that she could not see any reference to dangerous

[2:14:50] Voice 9: effects in the latest staff report. It seems that trustee did not read page 175

[2:14:55] Voice 9: which clearly states staff do not support this variance request and

[2:15:00] Voice 9: consider it to be contrary to land use by-law and OCP provisions for water quality

[2:15:06] Voice 9: protection. Does pollution of Fulton Harbour not qualify as a dangerous effect?

[2:15:12] Voice 9: There were other more subtle changes. The August report says a hydrology study is

[2:15:17] Voice 9: required whereas the december report says a detailed groundwater hydrology investigation

[2:15:23] Voice 9: would determine potential risks and mitigation measures why was the wording softened the

[2:15:31] Voice 9: hydrology of the subject property has not changed the site is still near sea level it still has a

[2:15:37] Voice 9: potentially tidal dominated groundwater table and it is still at risk of flooding and storm surges

[2:15:43] Voice 9: How can staff write an objective report when they are being pressured by both the applicant's

[2:15:50] Voice 9: legal threats and by trustees' statements?

[2:15:54] What would they write and say if they were

[2:15:57] Voice 9: free from all these pressures?

[2:15:59] Voice 9: We may never know, and that in itself is incredibly problematic.

[2:16:05] Voice 9: On the topic of professional reliance, I want to emphasize that trustee responsibilities

[2:16:12] Voice 9: school, far beyond those of the applicant and its consultants. You, not they, are responsible

[2:16:19] Voice 9: for defending the public interest, our OTP, our by-laws, and the TPS. And that means you

[2:16:26] Voice 9: have to listen to your staff and think critically about every document that crosses your desk.

[2:16:31] Voice 9: To protect the environment, you must consider all the things that may not be covered by

[2:16:36] Voice 9: current regulations and standards. Things like organic waste compounds and future flooding

[2:16:42] Voice 9: and a potentially tidal-dominated groundwater table.

[2:16:46] Voice 9: Here is what one trustee said at the December 19 meeting.

[2:16:49] Voice 9: I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to this, any of this.

[2:16:53] Voice 9: And I get advice from staff and various people,

[2:16:55] Voice 9: and then when we really don't know what we're talking about,

[2:16:58] Voice 9: we get the advice of an expert.

[2:17:00] Voice 9: So we have tracks. This is a consulting firm.

[2:17:03] Voice 9: We seem to be comfortable with this plan.

[2:17:05] Voice 9: I know the applicant is hired a consultant.

[2:17:08] Voice 9: I understand these people have a very high reputation.

[2:17:10] Voice 9: reputation so i really can't ignore the advice

[2:17:14] Voice 9: from the consultant and the consultant is saying yeah this is okay

[2:17:18] Voice 9: so my inclination is to go with what the consultants have to say

[2:17:22] Voice 9: where i'm leaning the abc a committee of excellent people all of whom are skilled

[2:17:27] Voice 9: in various issues with regard to the oath that binds us

[2:17:30] Voice 9: we're very enthusiastic about this plan so i don't know who else to ask

[2:17:34] Voice 9: you ask a friend you ask the audience and you ask

[2:17:37] Voice 9: somebody else well this trustee how about asking your own staff and William

[2:17:44] Voice 9: Schubel in particular he's the one with the impressive hydrology credentials

[2:17:50] Voice 9: he's independent and he's already employed by the Islands Trust a huge

[2:17:55] Voice 9: mistake has been made with the vortex hot one that could have very severe

[2:18:01] Voice 9: consequences for all salt spring if you don't do something to correct that

[2:18:05] Voice 9: the state cap at the development stage the demise of fulcrum harbour as a thriving ecosystem

[2:18:13] Voice 9: and place of natural food ivy will be your legacy as trustees

[2:18:16] Voice 9: all

[2:18:19] Voice 20: right um so now let's move to the town hall uh section um a little bit of overtime

[2:18:32] Voice 20: um here so far today but let's just keep going i'll just get if you could just give me a show

[2:18:38] Voice 20: of hands for those who wish to speak number one anybody else wish to speak to the ltc today okay

[2:18:44] Voice 20: so let's go to you sir your name please my

[2:18:48] Voice 10: name is robin kelly all right um i'm grateful to be

[2:18:52] Voice 10: here thank you i was reminded that my town hall should take no more than two minutes and i'm

[2:18:57] Voice 10: pleased to tell you that i rehearsed this sentence in one minute so reported in the dripwood on

[2:19:04] Voice 10: On November 17th, the Islands Trust will not be enforcing their housing bylaws.

[2:19:09] Voice 10: Quoted, bylaw enforcement will also be deferred for all unlawful dwellings.

[2:19:16] Voice 10: And then, wishing to communicate the urgency of the situation,

[2:19:21] Voice 10: Trustee Laura Patrick added the wording to the motion on deferring bylaw enforcement for

[2:19:26] Voice 10: all unlawful dwellings, which read that the deferral will be in place, quote.

[2:19:30] Voice 10: There are safe, secure, appropriate housing options that are affordable for all demographics and household types in perpetuity.

[2:19:40] Voice 10: Then, I received on November 25th, one week after the trust motion, a notice from the Islands Trust bylaw enforcement officer regarding our farmhouse at 265 Burnett's Road.

[2:19:52] Voice 10: If we do not cease the use of the farmhouse, we may be subject to legal action that would seek to enforce.

[2:19:58] Voice 10: force. My question, who are we to trust? The trustees or the by-law officer? That's my question to you.

[2:20:11] Voice 20: Thank you. I don't know that I'm in a position or anybody else's position to answer that question

[2:20:17] Voice 20: right off the cuff like that, but we'll certainly take your thoughts into consideration

[2:20:24] Voice 20: and thank you for your presentation. Anybody else wish to address the

[2:20:29] Voice 20: to the local trust committee today?

[2:20:31] Voice 20: All right then, I'm gonna continue on that.

[2:20:36] Voice 20: Thank you, Gary, for joining us.

[2:20:39] Voice 20: And continue on with applications and referrals

[2:20:41] Voice 20: at this point.

[2:20:45] Voice 20: The first one being Salt Spring Development

[2:20:49] Voice 20: Procurement 2021.11.

[2:20:53] Voice 20: And,

[2:20:55] Voice 20: Gordon, are you gonna take this one?

[2:20:58] Voice 20: Oh, regional planning manager, sir, my contender.

[2:21:04] Voice 20: Over to you, sir.

[2:21:05] Voice 20: Thank

[2:21:08] Voice 11: you, Mr. Chair. This is a nice, easy

[2:21:12] Voice 11: one for you. CRDC has applied to change their signs.

[2:21:17] Voice 11: It's a form and character amendment to the Development Permit Area 1 in the CNG's village core.

[2:21:23] Voice 11: And the sign is a very minor

[2:21:26] Voice 11: change. The reason why it's bad is it's a bit bigger and a bit higher than the guidelines suggest.

[2:21:32] Voice 11: Staff are in support of it, and that is your recommendation to approve it.

[2:21:37] Voice 11: Okay, what page

[2:21:45] Voice 20: is that on?

[2:21:46] Voice 11: Oh, my apologies.

[2:21:47] Voice 20: It starts on page 219.

[2:21:48] Voice 20: Thank you.

[2:21:50] Voice 20: That's how we used to get page numbers on the cover page.

[2:21:53] Voice 20: Maybe that's other LPC agendas.

[2:21:57] Voice 20: It's normally an agenda that covers it.

[2:21:58] Voice 20: It's

[2:21:59] Voice 11: only on the

[2:21:59] Voice 20: agenda that it's covered.

[2:22:00] Voice 20: That's okay. Not to worry.

[2:22:02] Voice 20: Let's go to 219.

[2:22:04] Voice 20: And so I'll ask staff if there's any questions for the staff

[2:22:10] Voice 20: with respect to this signage development

[2:22:15] Voice 4: and you're asking trustees no i have no

[2:22:21] Voice 4: questions thank you patrick i

[2:22:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): mean i'm hoping as we go through the ganges village area plan

[2:22:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): going into the future that you know signage is an overall important aspect of the village and that

[2:22:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): you know the area plan will be distinct on that so you know it is always difficult when kind of

[2:22:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): of out of sync with the planning that you're you're doing because I think the

[2:22:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): overall issue is there's really not much I can do and hope that we get clarity

[2:22:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): going forward. Thank

[2:22:55] Voice 20: you, Trustee Kachik. And Regional Plan Manager Simak, and then I'll have a couple more questions.

[2:23:00] Voice 20: Sir,

[2:23:00] Voice 11: I'd like to mention that the plan of working on the fall was successful in negotiating the removal of the plastic backlit pipes and instead getting a cedar sign with the front

[2:23:12] Voice 11: incandescent lights. So it's a school win, but we've got the

[2:23:15] Voice 11: guidelines and it keeps that character there.

[2:23:21] Voice 11: Any other questions?

[2:23:26] Voice 20: Sounds better.

[2:23:28] Voice 20: Well, I thank you for that remark, because I will say, you know, I read through this particular report a couple of times,

[2:23:35] Voice 20: because I agree with Trustee Patrick, is that it might be different if we had some better guidelines than we probably have.

[2:23:45] Voice 20: But the world is a different place, and the village is changing, and all this sort of stuff.

[2:23:50] Voice 20: And I did note and appreciate that we moved away from the traditional corporate signage to, you know,

[2:23:59] Voice 20: a sort of a cedar sign thing.

[2:24:01] Voice 20: So it was made out of cedar and illuminated.

[2:24:02] Voice 20: There's still bright colors and red paint and quite large.

[2:24:06] Voice 20: And, you know,

[2:24:08] Voice 20: honestly, does anybody not know where the bank is?

[2:24:12] Voice 20: That's sort of the marketing question that I like to ask.

[2:24:15] Voice 20: And I got to say, I enjoyed the photographs, the staff included in the report, because it really sort of described the village more broadly.

[2:24:22] Voice 20: And obviously, the signage that's proposed for the CIBC is less dramatic than some of the other signs that become visible when you look.

[2:24:32] Voice 20: And so, indeed, as we move forward with the Ganges Village plan, I think that that's a real serious consideration of signage.

[2:24:40] Voice 20: but um yeah indeed thanks to the bank for working obviously with staff and finding something that's

[2:24:49] Voice 20: more aesthetic in the theme of the village and the colors actually are probably good in the fall

[2:24:54] Voice 20: anyway but certainly the colors are good so yeah i agree essentially with what uh dr said and look

[2:25:02] Voice 20: forward to the task force maybe chiming in on that topic so uh i'll ask if there's any further

[2:25:09] Voice 20: the comment or if somebody wants to make a motion i'm

[2:25:11] Voice 4: happy to move the salt spring island local

[2:25:12] Voice 4: trust committee approved issuance and development plan at ssdp 2021.11 second second

[2:25:18] Voice 4: any discussion

[2:25:20] Voice 20: all those in favor that carries awesome and thank you for the staff for the work there

[2:25:27] Voice 20: i think these are little elements of where we can make a difference and we have so thank you

[2:25:33] Voice 20: for that despite my words so 17.2 it's all spring development variance permit 23119

[2:25:42] Voice 20: macro island marine construction no macro mccurt i'm not going to try it i'll make a mess of it

[2:25:50] Voice 20: island marine construction uh on ontario place um uh who's going to take this one

[2:25:55] Voice 20: um and

[2:25:58] Voice 3: if this was the application where the owner had wanted to try to call in so

[2:26:06] Voice 20: Oh, I got apologized. I didn't ask if the applicant for the last permit was here. No? Okay. So, this is them coming in now?

[2:26:18] Voice 20: If they're available to answer the phone.

[2:26:22] Voice 20: And is the applicant here separate from the owner? In the back. Thank you very much. And it's McCarroll, is it?

[2:26:28] Voice 20: It's McCarroll, yes. Thank you.

[2:26:30] Voice 20: Okay, thank you.

[2:26:31] Voice 20: Are you from Marks and Arroyo?

[2:26:35] Voice 20: No, sir.

[2:26:38] Voice 20: I'd say they don't answer.

[2:26:39] Voice 20: Okay

[2:26:41] Voice 3: over to you sir. This is a development variance permit on the property that you may recognize

[2:26:48] Voice 3: you considered a variance permit for it very recently for the house that was built

[2:26:53] Voice 3: that the owner was seeking to renovate that is built in years past too close to the shoreline

[2:27:00] Voice 3: and this is for a structure in the natural setback to the natural boundary of the city that

[2:27:06] Voice 3: that is to access an existing dock that is to be replaced.

[2:27:16] Voice 3: So same plans here.

[2:27:18] Voice 3: I would note that the plan on the right,

[2:27:20] Voice 3: which is the dock replacement is not to scale

[2:27:23] Voice 3: because you can see it's outside of that crownless area,

[2:27:26] Voice 3: but that is the general plan for the dock

[2:27:28] Voice 3: and the area that I was under consideration

[2:27:31] Voice 3: is that small yellow square at the southern end

[2:27:35] Voice 3: of the dock on the left-hand side.

[2:27:40] Voice 3: So as I said the variance permit is only for the dock or the deck structure to access the dock.

[2:27:48] Voice 3: The dock is a permitted use in the shoreline zone. They have permission from the province to

[2:27:54] Voice 3: continue that use and to replace the dock as long as it's in conformity with the general permissions.

[2:28:01] Voice 3: As you may recall this shoreline area is already substantially impacted and there's an existing

[2:28:06] Voice 3: existing steps in concrete walkway and I'll let the faculty speak a little bit more to

[2:28:13] Voice 3: the design but the idea here is to sort of sit this, leave the books in there in place

[2:28:20] Voice 3: and sort of sit this decking over top of it so sort of leave everything in place and anchor

[2:28:25] Voice 3: it to an existing retaining wall and it's highlighted some areas of impact here mostly

[2:28:31] Voice 3: Mostly on the foreshore, you can see that small iron post there where one of the supports would be.

[2:28:38] Voice 3: And then the set of stairs would be, as you can see in the bottom picture, sort of on the right-hand side.

[2:28:45] Voice 3: And several wooden stairs would be located to the other side of the deck to allow access down to the beach.

[2:28:54] Voice 3: And then, considering whether or not to recommend approval of this application, staff consider

[2:29:00] Voice 3: that it's on over-apportionment, so it is substantially impacted.

[2:29:04] Voice 3: It's to permit access to a permitted court short structure, and there is policies in

[2:29:10] Voice 3: the OCP that do support the placement of these types of structures.

[2:29:13] Voice 3: So for that reason, staff are recommending issuance of this.

[2:29:19] Voice 20: Okay, very good.

[2:29:20] Voice 20: Thank you.

[2:29:21] Voice 20: I'll just ask the applicant, do you have any remarks with the recommendation from staff

[2:29:26] Voice 20: with respect to your application?

[2:29:27] Voice 20: No, I think Jody's spot on in his assessment, thank you.

[2:29:32] Voice 20: Thank you, sir.

[2:29:33] Voice 20: And there may be some questions for you, trustees.

[2:29:35] Voice 20: But anyway, over to you, trustees.

[2:29:37] Voice 20: Do you have any questions or remarks on this one?

[2:29:39] Voice 20: Well,

[2:29:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): I just have one question.

[2:29:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is it outside the Crown?

[2:29:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): The Crown lease is shown here and the dock is here.

[2:29:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is it outside its leased area or what?

[2:29:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is it a different leased area?

[2:29:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): If you go back to

[2:29:50] Voice 17: your picture, I mean, it's in our staff report.

[2:29:52] Voice 20: One more.

[2:29:55] Voice 17: There.

[2:29:56] Voice 17: There, you show the line of the...

[2:30:00] Voice 17: Crown Lease is next to the dock.

[2:30:02] Voice 3: Right, yeah.

[2:30:03] Voice 3: I didn't get to the bottom of the issue of whether our wrapping was incorrect

[2:30:09] Voice 3: during the Crown Lease area.

[2:30:10] Voice 3: Is that the question?

[2:30:11] Voice 3: Yeah,

[2:30:11] Voice 17: because you mentioned it was outside the Crown Lease.

[2:30:14] Voice 17: So is it outside the Crown Lease?

[2:30:16] Voice 17: To be

[2:30:17] Voice 3: honest, the survey that was provided for the previous application

[2:30:21] Voice 3: showed this area within the Crown Lease area.

[2:30:26] Voice 3: Oh.

[2:30:33] Voice 20: Hello, this is the Salsamayana Local Trust Committee meeting.

[2:30:39] Voice 20: Hi

[2:30:39] Voice 8: there, I had a call from Jody, this is Mark, are you here?

[2:30:43] Voice 8: Yeah,

[2:30:44] Voice 20: we were just discussing your application, it was time.

[2:30:47] Voice 20: Okay.

[2:30:48] Voice 20: And we've heard the report from Jody Gordon, and we've heard from the McCarroll and the Island Marine Construction,

[2:30:59] Voice 20: that they support the recommendations by the by the um staff and we're just having a discussion

[2:31:07] Voice 20: here with the uh trustees and there was a question that has come up now with respect to the the

[2:31:13] Voice 20: actual crown foreshore lease shown on figure two of the uh report that shows that the dock is

[2:31:22] Voice 20: outside the boundary of what appears to be the police and jordy was just attempting to answer

[2:31:28] Voice 20: that question so I'll turn it over to the

[2:31:32] Voice 8: best person honestly would be Cory

[2:31:37] Voice 8: and Dave from Island Marine because they were fully knowledgeable and the intent

[2:31:41] Voice 8: was always to make sure that the dock stayed within the least boundary but I

[2:31:45] Voice 8: do think that they have a probably a better handle on that than I do sure so

[2:31:50] Voice 20: let me go back to Geordie he was just in the middle of explaining something and

[2:31:53] Voice 20: will go to uh island marine construction as necessary over here thank you yeah just hang

[2:31:59] Voice 20: on the line there yeah

[2:32:00] Voice 3: thank you it could be an error in our mapping sometimes the boundaries

[2:32:05] Voice 3: got a little bit skewed depending on you know how it's represented sort of basing i guess making the

[2:32:11] Voice 3: assumption that the survey provided by the players was accurate in where the dock was in relation to

[2:32:17] Voice 3: to the Crown Lease, but there is an alternative recommendation that the LTC could ask the

[2:32:24] Voice 3: applicant for additional confirmation from the products from Forest Lands Natural Resources

[2:32:28] Voice 3: if they were concerned about anything to do with the Crown Lease, but I believe it would

[2:32:35] Voice 3: be down to him not being on that part in terms of displaying the foundry of it, but perhaps

[2:32:41] Voice 3: offer him that.

[2:32:44] Voice 11: The fact is we're not 100% sure.

[2:32:47] Voice 11: So the fact appears to be we're not 100% sure if it's within the survey data or not.

[2:32:52] Voice 20: Right. So the IHCC has to decide whether or not that's a relevant concern.

[2:32:58] Voice 20: Because obviously the concern would be between the province and the property owner and that's fair enough.

[2:33:05] Voice 20: Okay. So did we want to hear from McCarroll?

[2:33:10] Voice 20: If anyone has information that would be helpful.

[2:33:13] Voice 20: Do you

[2:33:13] Voice 19: have any information?

[2:33:14] Voice 19: Yeah. The crown ring comes in a couple of different flavors for docks.

[2:33:20] Voice 19: What this was, was one that was originally granted was called a specific permission for private mortgage.

[2:33:27] Voice 19: Plus these maps are exactly the same scale, so it would actually fit inside the box.

[2:33:32] Voice 19: But when the...

[2:33:35] Voice 19: The other

[2:33:35] Voice 20: is a photograph, so the scale is the same.

[2:33:39] Voice 20: the one or figure two which is i think what you're referring to yeah yeah

[2:33:43] Voice 19: yeah um just the fact that

[2:33:47] Voice 19: the mapping is wrong okay but um when the uh property transitioned from a specific permission

[2:33:55] Voice 19: for private mortgage to a general permission it's founded under the general permission guidelines

[2:34:01] Voice 19: so by rights we're not really even obligated to stay within that box all we have to do is

[2:34:06] Voice 19: week that general permission guidelines and satisfy the island stress bylaws for dock construction

[2:34:12] Voice 20: yeah and

[2:34:14] Voice 5: our plan is corey johnson as well um our plan as what we're trying to ask our team

[2:34:21] Voice 5: whatever we've done with polaris and what we provided is to still stay within the previous

[2:34:28] Voice 5: water loss from the next year.

[2:34:31] Voice 5: Yeah, it

[2:34:32] Voice 20: will be surveyed once it's completely understood.

[2:34:36] Voice 20: So, trustees, any further questions?

[2:34:38] Voice 20: I'm ready for this one.

[2:34:39] Voice 3: Oh, you're ready?

[2:34:40] Voice 3: Just an observation between the impact of shoreline.

[2:34:43] Voice 3: Probably likely better to stay within,

[2:34:46] Voice 3: what has already been impacted by the dock as it goes through.

[2:34:48] Voice 3: Oh yeah, no,

[2:34:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'm not suggesting it be looped.

[2:34:50] Voice 3: I was just curious

[2:34:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): as to what was going on, that's all.

[2:34:54] Get discussed.

[2:34:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay, anything else?

[2:34:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, just my other question, the staff report on page 251, it says staff are unclear as

[2:35:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): to what specifically was permitted by Flynn Road and therefore cannot determine if the

[2:35:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): stairs as built over the foreshore are approved by Flynn Road and could be replaced in a new

[2:35:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): location.

[2:35:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): So you're moving the stairs from just one side to the other side, is my understanding.

[2:35:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I just

[2:35:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): wanted clarity on that statement, I guess.

[2:35:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): some stuff yeah

[2:35:29] Voice 3: i think um i think dave touched on it in terms of the letter um i believe it's

[2:35:33] Voice 3: appended to the staff report yeah it doesn't give a sense of you know what the plan was

[2:35:39] Voice 3: initially so it's hard to determine if those structures were covered off but they've just

[2:35:43] Voice 3: sort of given them a bit of a blanket approval as long as they say open those guidelines to go so

[2:35:49] Voice 3: could try to find more information but that's just sort of pointing out there's a little bit

[2:35:57] Voice 3: of ambiguity, given the time that this doc was approved and what sort of unfiled, it

[2:36:03] Voice 3: was just a bit of a good area there.

[2:36:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): Thanks, I just was trying to understand it.

[2:36:09] Voice 20: Anything else?

[2:36:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): No, I don't have any other questions.

[2:36:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): I guess the question

[2:36:15] Voice 20: that I have is about not referring this to First Nations.

[2:36:20] Voice 20: I know that First Nations are very interested in any activity that happens in a water body,

[2:36:27] Voice 20: particularly in a protected water body like the heart will harbor and it's

[2:36:33] Voice 20: unfortunate that the photographs we have aren't there are there's nothing in a

[2:36:37] Voice 20: real low low tide to indicate what the bottom is but I can't help but wonder

[2:36:42] Voice 20: which would be possibly interest of First Nations is a clam bed or other

[2:36:51] Voice 20: invertebrate species species there that could be harvested and you can't really

[2:37:00] Voice 20: tell from the beach to be a litter on the shoreline whether that's broken

[2:37:06] Voice 20: shells just in the area which certainly indicate that there's probably manila

[2:37:11] Voice 20: clowns and things in the in the bottom there in the immediate vicinity but

[2:37:17] Voice 1: but whether

[2:37:17] Voice 20: or not there's not potential for there to be some kind of midden site along there.

[2:37:22] Voice 20: And I wonder whether to have any thoughts on that or not.

[2:37:28] Voice 3: Yeah, absolutely. Our access to mapping didn't indicate an archaeological site or potential in that area.

[2:37:38] Voice 3: So that's typically what we go off of in terms of asking the applicant to do further work with First Nations.

[2:37:44] Voice 3: So that was sort of, and the applicant didn't provide that, or the owner didn't provide that information to staff to have the archaeological assess, or the BC or French information provided.

[2:37:55] Voice 3: I guess the other question would be if you're concerned mostly about the dock or the structure that the variance is required for.

[2:38:07] Voice 3: because the probably limited ability to prevent the dock from being replaced because it is an

[2:38:14] Voice 3: approved use in that zone and there is a permission from the province but um so i'm not

[2:38:20] Voice 3: sure if there's a distinction between the concern about this structure or the dock itself yeah and

[2:38:28] Voice 20: thank you for that because it's it is difficult to divorce those two things

[2:38:33] Voice 20: that you're absolutely right we're not talking about the dock itself we're talking about the

[2:38:37] Voice 20: landing and indeed probably has overall less objection it just you know i can't help but

[2:38:45] Voice 20: reflect on our commitment to reconciliation to consult with first nations um and my experience

[2:38:53] Voice 20: over the years has been somebody puts in something somebody changes something and puts in what is a

[2:38:59] Voice 20: substantial change to an existing doc it's like shining a light in the dark and if people just

[2:39:05] Voice 20: see it and automatically think that must be a new dog um and it just snowballs from there i realize

[2:39:14] Voice 20: there's not anything the applicant can do about that or the property do about that it's just a

[2:39:18] Voice 20: public reception thing but we end up wearing these things quite often um but i can see that there's

[2:39:26] Voice 20: been some thought going into mitigating any of the shoreline degradation um and maybe potentially

[2:39:34] Voice 20: potentially over time, that will become a little bit more substantive of a natural nature,

[2:39:41] Voice 20: so I don't see any reason to complain. I just wanted to ask the question, you've helped

[2:39:45] Voice 20: me clarify that I need to divorce the dock and that whatever the underlying substrate

[2:39:50] Voice 20: of the harbour is from the piece that we're being asked, although that obviously facilitates

[2:39:55] Voice 20: the dock, because if that wasn't replaced, the dock wouldn't be much use, so you'd have

[2:40:00] Voice 20: to find another way of accessing it or continue in the dilapidated fashion that it is okay so

[2:40:06] Voice 20: i don't i don't have any concerns i guess i'm going to support that

[2:40:10] Voice 20: is there anything from other

[2:40:13] Voice 4: trustees no for me you'd like to make a motion i'll move that

[2:40:17] Voice 4: salts around local trust committee approve issuance of ssdbp 2021.19 moved in seconds

[2:40:24] Voice 4: did

[2:40:25] Voice 11: you have something in there jordan i

[2:40:27] Voice 4: just i want

[2:40:28] Voice 3: to make sure that uh the right to disconnect

[2:40:33] Voice 3: next year I think this is the right uh permit number 19 19.

[2:40:38] Voice 20: oh yeah dot one nine in the agenda

[2:40:40] Voice 20: about 21 on the screen which one is it 19. okay so then that motion then reads 2021.19 correct

[2:40:49] Voice 20: thank you so moved and seconded yes sorry so then any further discussion all those in favor

[2:40:58] Voice 20: so that carries unanimously and i'll thank the the uh applicant for your uh good work here and

[2:41:05] Voice 20: thank staff for their good work and thank you for joining us on the phone um thank you very much

[2:41:10] Voice 20: yeah and good luck with that doctor for the landing replacement okay so we'll hang up on

[2:41:19] Voice 20: him and thank you for joining us already appreciate it best of the season thank you

[2:41:25] Voice 20: yeah on to the next item 17.3 salt spring alr 2021.5 young uh 181 baddest rose the applicant

[2:41:36] Voice 20: here excellent thank you for joining us today i think you've seen how it works we get the report

[2:41:43] Voice 20: we ask you if you concur or not and we talk about it at the table thank you all right um so who's

[2:41:50] Voice 20: Who's gonna take this one for me?

[2:41:52] Voice 20: Gordy Gordon, over to you.

[2:41:53] Voice 20: Thank you, Chair.

[2:41:55] Voice 3: This is a non-farm use application

[2:41:59] Voice 3: for correcting of automobiles

[2:42:01] Voice 3: in the agricultural end service.

[2:42:05] Voice 3: It's occurring in support of an automotive repair shop

[2:42:09] Voice 3: that is on the same property, but in a different zoning.

[2:42:13] Voice 3: So you can see the split zone here.

[2:42:15] Voice 3: The GE2F portion is where the automotive work is occurring,

[2:42:20] Voice 3: and then the parking loop is now occurring on that sort of,

[2:42:23] Voice 3: and apologies, it's not very visible on this slide,

[2:42:26] Voice 3: but the sort of headline blue on the left there

[2:42:28] Voice 3: is where the, is the area under consideration.

[2:42:35] Voice 3: So what's put forward is sort of a solution

[2:42:38] Voice 3: to an ongoing issue of parking of vehicles

[2:42:42] Voice 3: in the Ministry of Transportation Railway,

[2:42:43] Voice 3: which is occurring on Bettis Road.

[2:42:47] Voice 3: So yeah, we included this one in an attempt

[2:42:50] Voice 3: to alleviate that issue.

[2:42:51] Voice 3: issue. And perhaps I will let the applicant explain further about perhaps the miscommunication

[2:42:59] Voice 3: between by-law enforcement staff and the applicant over the extent of the area to be cleared

[2:43:05] Voice 3: and exactly where. So an attempt to evaluate this issue resulted in the clearing of agricultural

[2:43:11] Voice 3: land and use of this land for something that is not permitted by the Agricultural Land

[2:43:19] Voice 3: reserve the land is by law supported by OCP policy and just some photos to orient yourself so the

[2:43:26] Voice 3: left photo is sort of looking down towards Venice Road and then the photo on the right is looking

[2:43:31] Voice 3: out towards the parking area that's been cleared and the shop you can see it on the left in the

[2:43:38] Voice 3: distance there and the distance on the right there as well so that's

[2:43:43] Voice 3: Venice Road in the distance in

[2:43:44] Voice 3: In

[2:43:44] Voice 20: the distance, yes.

[2:43:46] Voice 3: So the green and the red area, the roofed area is the sort of area of the shop, the general employment zone, and then you can see the soil that's been burned,

[2:43:56] Voice 3: cleared and burned, and then the fill or the rock put in to facilitate this parking area.

[2:44:03] Voice 3: So I've noted in staff report that there's essentially no policy support for this type of use in the LR.

[2:44:10] Voice 3: However, consistent with LTC policy on referring non-farm use applications to the Agriculture Advisory Planning Commission,

[2:44:21] Voice 3: that's what staff recommended here for their comment on if it's a non-farm use that the LTC could support or should support.

[2:44:32] Voice 3: And I'll leave it there. I'm happy to take any questions.

[2:44:37] Voice 20: Okay, thank you. So does the applicant have anything to offer us with respect to the recommendations there?

[2:44:48] Voice 14: I do think that Joanie did an excellent job on the staff report.

[2:44:52] Voice 14: There was just a couple things I did want to speak to on this.

[2:44:56] Voice 14: One of them being the likelihood of storage of vehicles in the new parking lot.

[2:45:07] Voice 14: And this arose from an observation of unplated vehicles being up there, which will happen.

[2:45:14] Voice 14: We take vehicles off Island to scrap and they are not registered at that point.

[2:45:18] Voice 14: It is literally a holding area, no tear down of any vehicles happens back there, nothing like that.

[2:45:25] Voice 14: It is surprising how much stuff needs to go off island for scrap. It's amazing.

[2:45:32] Voice 14: But literally that is the justification of those being unplated in the back.

[2:45:38] Voice 14: It's simply time. We need time. We have one day a week that we can take a maximum of two cars off island.

[2:45:44] Voice 14: right

[2:45:45] Voice 7: and not because we want to collect it like it's just a byproduct of the shop itself right

[2:45:51] Voice 7: yeah like i don't seek out um scrap cards like i'm not trying to run a scrap metal business

[2:45:58] Voice 7: just like because john is gone i mean we essentially have to deal with scrap on our own

[2:46:03] Voice 7: um so so in that respect yeah

[2:46:07] Voice 14: if somebody chooses to not repair something this is what we're left

[2:46:10] Voice 14: it and you would be amazed at how much stuff is abandoned with us because people seem to think

[2:46:16] Voice 14: that that's what we do okay thank

[2:46:20] Voice 20: you for that bit of clarity that helps me um so trustees do

[2:46:25] Voice 20: you have any questions or comments or thoughts on this one if i

[2:46:27] Voice 4: may i'd like him to explain

[2:46:28] Voice 4: um a little bit further in case um we had all no i mean the parking was a serious problem on bedis

[2:46:35] Voice 4: So

[2:46:36] Voice 7: the farm has been a problem on Betta since I was a little kid.

[2:46:39] Voice 7: I grew up on Betta's Road and that shop has been there for 40 plus years.

[2:46:43] Voice 7: And there's always been cars on the road. It was kind of a normal thing.

[2:46:50] Voice 7: But in the last 10 years there's been a lot more complaints about it for obvious reasons.

[2:46:58] Voice 7: And we've never felt entitled that it was our space by any means.

[2:47:02] Voice 7: We were never trying to fight it.

[2:47:04] Voice 7: When we built the parking lot, Dan Snyder was there and he said, Eric, you need to have a solution right now.

[2:47:13] Voice 7: And so I was kind of forced into a situation where I had to come up with a solution.

[2:47:18] Voice 7: So I took him to the back driveway, proposed the area for the parking lot.

[2:47:22] Voice 7: And anyway, he said it was a great idea at the time.

[2:47:29] Voice 7: One of my mechanics and I worked there with him.

[2:47:31] Voice 7: And so anyway, I guess that's how the parking lot ended up to be.

[2:47:36] Voice 4: Sorry, who is he?

[2:47:37] Voice 7: Dan Snyder, the enforcement for the grass from Nanaimo.

[2:47:43] Voice 7: And then how does this all come to be?

[2:47:46] Voice 7: I guess he's lodged a complaint with the Agricultural Land Commission

[2:47:48] Voice 7: voted to after the class because he was not clear that the upper portion of the property was agricultural.

[2:47:54] Voice 7: So like it was kind of, yeah, it just wasn't, it should never have been for like,

[2:48:00] Voice 7: Like, my proposition should have been shot down, essentially, if that, you know, if he was understanding the zoning on the property, you know?

[2:48:09] Voice 7: I didn't think about it. I knew what the zoning was, but I didn't, you know, like... Under his recommendation, I went ahead.

[2:48:15] Voice 7: Not what I should have done, obviously, but here we are.

[2:48:18] Voice 7: Well, what should... What

[2:48:20] Voice 4: do you think you should have done? What was the alternative?

[2:48:25] Voice 7: Well, I mean, I

[2:48:25] Voice 7: obviously checked for clarification if he would be allowed to. Like, yeah, I didn't...

[2:48:31] Voice 7: You know, I was really, I felt like I was under pressure to do something, because, you know, it seems to apply a lot of pressure, right?

[2:48:39] Voice 7: And so, yeah, no, I obviously should have looked further into it before going ahead with it.

[2:48:45] Voice 19: Okay.

[2:48:46] Voice 19: And

[2:48:46] Voice 7: for that, I'm definitely sorry.

[2:48:47] Voice 7: I mean, I was trying to release the issue with the road, which it has, which it absolutely has, if you don't have cars on the road anymore.

[2:48:54] Voice 20: Right.

[2:48:56] Voice 20: I just want to seek some clarity.

[2:48:58] Voice 20: So this person, Snyder, you said?

[2:49:01] Voice 20: Dan Snyder.

[2:49:02] Voice 20: Dan Snyder, employee of ours?

[2:49:03] Voice 20: yes okay we changed staff there a little bit a few times and i lost track of who

[2:49:09] Voice 20: learned by law enforcement officers but he obviously said it was a great idea it wasn't

[2:49:13] Voice 20: a recommendation and that's a subtle difference and i yeah i could get caught in your scenario

[2:49:19] Voice 20: too hey great idea okay let's do it yeah no anyway and i'm

[2:49:22] Voice 20: proactive you know like i just

[2:49:24] Voice 20: tried to carry on and keep going okay so that's good again so i just wanted to clarify that so

[2:49:29] Voice 20: So let's go back to the trustees and see what you're thinking.

[2:49:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, this is the course of action.

[2:49:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): That's why we have the AAPC.

[2:49:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): They're a good group of folks.

[2:49:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): They will, you know, they certainly, everyone knows your operation and they'll be thinking about it.

[2:49:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I think this is the right option to take is to send

[2:49:48] Voice 20: it to them.

[2:49:48] Voice 20: Okay.

[2:49:50] Voice 20: Perfect.

[2:49:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): So, oh, you want me to read it?

[2:49:53] Voice 20: Okay.

[2:49:54] Voice 20: Let's go for it.

[2:49:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[2:49:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): refer application SSALR 2021.5

[2:50:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): to the Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission

[2:50:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): to comment on the application generally

[2:50:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): as well as specifically on the following aspects.

[2:50:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): Existing and future agricultural use

[2:50:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): and or potential of the subject property,

[2:50:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): the zoning of the property and intended use,

[2:50:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): the surrounding land uses of the subject property,

[2:50:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): and whether the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee

[2:50:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): should support the non-farm use application i

[2:50:27] Voice 20: second that or moved and seconded any further

[2:50:30] Voice 20: discussion all those in favor that carries awesome so that'll go off to the apc and

[2:50:35] Voice 13: send us back a

[2:50:36] Voice 20: report and and then we'll see where we go from there thank you thank you for

[2:50:40] Voice 20: making your application thank you for being here and um and we'll see you again soon

[2:50:45] Voice 20: have a great day

[2:50:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): thank you happy holiday okay

[2:50:51] Voice 20: 17.4 now is um salt screen rezoning 2017.3

[2:51:00] Voice 20: colligan thank you very much for that help 2188 north end road uh provolta to rezone um rural

[2:51:08] Voice 20: variations allow existing cottage to the designated as affordable housing so i heard a

[2:51:15] Voice 20: voice in the audience excellent thank you for being here today i think you've seen how it unfolds

[2:51:20] Voice 20: and so we'll go to staff for the report and then we'll go to you for any comments

[2:51:24] Voice 20: thank

[2:51:25] Voice 3: you chair um this is a rezoning that has been considered by the ltc on

[2:51:31] Voice 3: numerous students um it's about support for you um for consideration of advancing uh bylaw

[2:51:39] Voice 3: So the most recent resolution passed by the LCC was to direct staff to work with the applicant

[2:51:47] Voice 3: to address issues of monitoring every well as related to an additional pump test that was requested

[2:51:54] Voice 3: to support the affordable housing unit that's in operation already.

[2:52:01] Voice 3: I say a housing unit in operation, it's not designated affordable quite yet.

[2:52:06] Voice 3: So the applicant didn't provide that report.

[2:52:09] Voice 3: report, it found that there was no connectivity between the existing well and the subject

[2:52:18] Voice 3: property and the neighbouring well that was monitored and found that there was sufficient

[2:52:23] Voice 3: water supply to support both the existing main dwelling and the existing second dwelling.

[2:52:32] Voice 3: So on that basis, that was sort of the, in a way, the last piece of information that

[2:52:39] Voice 3: was required before staff were to bring back the bylaws to the LTC, so with that provided,

[2:52:47] Voice 3: staff have brought the draft bylaw to the LTC for first reading and referral.

[2:52:52] Voice 3: I will note that staff haven't identified First Nations as a recipient of this referral.

[2:53:01] Voice 3: That was out of consideration of staff resources and time with First Nations

[2:53:08] Voice 3: and the

[2:53:12] Voice 3: I would say

[2:53:13] Voice 3: the understanding that there's

[2:53:15] Voice 3: very likely limited

[2:53:16] Voice 3: interest in this application because it's

[2:53:19] Voice 3: an existing use that's been occurring for

[2:53:21] Voice 3: 20 plus years

[2:53:25] Voice 3: but

[2:53:25] Voice 3: staff have tried to

[2:53:27] Voice 3: sort of confer with

[2:53:29] Voice 3: Lisa Wilcox around whether or not

[2:53:32] Voice 3: this would be appropriate

[2:53:32] Voice 3: for the First Nations and if

[2:53:35] Voice 3: I don't think I have to tell you how

[2:53:38] Voice 3: busy Lisa is but it comes back that there's aspects of consideration that should be forwarded

[2:53:44] Voice 3: to the First Nations for their comment then staff are able to do that but I will note that's why

[2:53:50] Voice 3: they're missing from that list of referrals in that staff are recommending and then sorry move

[2:53:58] Voice 3: this to the next slide and then the number four there is in discussion with senior fresh

[2:54:07] Voice 3: form specialist william schiller just just sort of a recommendation that would be perhaps

[2:54:12] Voice 3: created to have essentially a peer review of this what a report was provided it could occur while

[2:54:20] Voice 3: the uh file referrals out there that just before this to

[2:54:23] Voice 3: to uh for comment on these aspects um don't think it will have any negative impact on

[2:54:30] Voice 3: the timeline associated with anything so definitely consideration too okay um

[2:54:40] Voice 20: the applicant do you concur with this recommendations here i really

[2:54:46] Voice 16: like to see this

[2:54:47] Voice 16: push forward yeah um

[2:54:49] Voice 16: i don't quite understand maybe jerry can help me this building has been

[2:54:54] Voice 16: robin has owned it for 28 years it's been there it hasn't always been rented but it was right

[2:55:03] Voice 16: before they didn't have quite a history it's got its own little unit everything is approved

[2:55:09] Voice 16: We spent a lot of money rezoning it, but I don't quite understand when it's been there for not long, why it has to go through the First Nations and all of this stuff.

[2:55:19] Voice 16: It's not a new building room, so why do you have to ask all these people if it's okay? I don't understand.

[2:55:28] Voice 16: I

[2:55:32] Voice 20: can try and make an answer if you want to make an answer.

[2:55:35] Voice 20: it um you know for grandfathering is an interesting concept that people often mistakenly used if

[2:55:43] Voice 20: something was not permitted in the past it's still not permitted today so it's

[2:55:48] Voice 20: treated like a new

[2:55:49] Voice 20: thing and i understand exactly what you're saying but because it was never permitted the assessment

[2:55:55] Voice 20: was never done at the beginning and there would have been referrals even in the past

[2:55:59] Voice 20: the times have changed and so now the number of referrals is different from

[2:56:04] Voice 20: what it was so it's just it's just the way times are is that reasonably yes I

[2:56:10] Voice 20: got a couple of nods there not bad he says we're a non-planner guy so so when

[2:56:15] Voice 16: somebody builds onto their house which we're not doing or actually builds a

[2:56:23] Voice 16: new property it doesn't get referred to all the people does it like when you

[2:56:29] Voice 16: When you submit a development permit and then you get your building permit, you're not asking the First Nations if it's okay to build.

[2:56:36] Voice 16: They're not asking all the other people if it's okay to build it, do you?

[2:56:40] Voice 20: Well, depending on the nature of it, we are.

[2:56:42] Voice 16: You do?

[2:56:43] Voice 20: Yeah.

[2:56:44] Voice 20: Is that reasonable?

[2:56:45] Voice 20: Yeah.

[2:56:47] Voice 20: I

[2:56:47] Voice 16: didn't know that.

[2:56:49] Voice 20: It's pretty standard for us, and in fact, the list that you have is a lot shorter than some.

[2:56:56] Voice 20: I

[2:56:57] Voice 16: didn't know that.

[2:56:58] Voice 16: I didn't know that when you put a development permit, a building permit, that you'd send it out to the First Nations and it's okay for this.

[2:57:07] Voice 20: With reconciliation and the impacts that have been made historically by not engaging, we just don't want to make these mistakes.

[2:57:17] Voice 20: Because some of the mistakes are very hurtful.

[2:57:20] Voice 20: And we just don't want to do that.

[2:57:22] Voice 20: And I'm sure you don't want to do that either.

[2:57:24] Voice 20: We're

[2:57:24] Voice 13: looking after you

[2:57:25] Voice 20: as much as we're looking after everybody else.

[2:57:28] Voice 20: okay so then how about i go to trustees we've

[2:57:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): seen seen this many times here now yeah so

[2:57:37] Voice 4: so i'll move the salt spring and local trust committee bylaw number five two one site for

[2:57:41] Voice 4: the salzburg island land use bylaw 1999 amendment number 4 2019 be read the first time seconded

[2:57:47] Voice 20: any discussion all those in favor that carries and

[2:57:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'll move that the salzburg island local

[2:57:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): trust committee requests that staff refer bylaw number 521 to agencies organizations and local

[2:57:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): trust committees as identified in the staff report dated december 14th

[2:58:03] Voice 4: now second that

[2:58:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): second any

[2:58:06] Voice 20: discussion all those in favor that two carries

[2:58:08] Voice 4: and i'll move the salt spain local trust committee

[2:58:10] Voice 4: has reviewed the directives only policy checklist and determined that proposed draft bylaw number

[2:58:15] Voice 4: 521 is not contrary to or at variance with the island's trust policy statement moved

[2:58:20] Voice 20: and seconded

[2:58:21] Voice 20: any discussion all those

[2:58:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): in favor two carries salt spain local trust committee request staff

[2:58:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): I prefer the potable water assessment report dated September 2021 to the Ministry of Forests, Lands, Natural Resources, Operations and Rural Development or comment specifically on sustainable yield and likelihood of hydraulic connection.

[2:58:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): All

[2:58:45] Voice 20: right. Some move to second it.

[2:58:46] Voice 4: Question.

[2:58:47] Voice 20: Okay. Any discussion?

[2:58:49] Voice 4: Sorry, question.

[2:58:50] Voice 4: Not quite sure that I understand that.

[2:58:52] Voice 4: What sort of comment would we expect at this time?

[2:58:55] Voice 4: It says full comment.

[2:58:57] Voice 4: What are we looking for?

[2:59:00] Voice 3: uh i suppose i suppose we're looking for um uh sort of essentially what amounts to a peer review

[2:59:09] Voice 3: um staff have limited assessment ability of this type of report and so we're sort of curious to see

[2:59:16] Voice 3: porcelain's natural resources had perhaps some comment on the data or the way in which was

[2:59:20] Voice 3: collected um and the possibility particularly on hydraulic connectivity

[2:59:25] Voice 3: of the neighboring well was sort of an interest based on the graph that was provided and perhaps

[2:59:30] Voice 3: beyond staff's expertise to interpret and so we're just essentially curious to

[2:59:37] Voice 3: see how this report will respond. So we're not

[2:59:38] Voice 3: looking for approval? No,

[2:59:40] Voice 3: just a helpful...

[2:59:43] Voice 3: And how long do we have to wait for that?

[2:59:47] Voice 3: Well, the referral response is 30 days, I believe.

[2:59:55] Voice 3: We would ask Flinro to provide a comment within the same time frame.

[3:00:00] Voice 3: you know if

[3:00:00] Voice 3: they don't provide it it's not essential for the uh to advance thank you

[3:00:07] Voice 16: so i have a question we submitted all um several reports to you on the water

[3:00:16] Voice 16: the the report that came back just recently said that we don't even touch the neighbors

[3:00:22] Voice 16: we don't even touch their aquifer because there's so many different aquifers

[3:00:27] Voice 16: where we're looking for the log on the mountain so my question is is that why do we need to do that

[3:00:34] Voice 16: when we've submitted the report he goes into huge detail with graphs for you why do you need to do

[3:00:43] Voice 16: that why do we need to ask somebody that question when you have all the information in front of you

[3:00:52] Voice 20: i think

[3:00:52] Voice 16: it would be a waste of staff time no

[3:00:56] Voice 20: i think what i'm hearing is that we don't have

[3:00:58] Voice 20: the expertise to analyze that and we'd like a third party to but

[3:01:04] Voice 16: isn't the report that was

[3:01:05] Voice 16: submitted to you in detail that's not enough well

[3:01:10] Voice 20: it's surprising what other things by fresh eyes

[3:01:15] Voice 20: looking at things ask a question and somebody it happens somebody goes oh yeah so did you have a

[3:01:20] Voice 20: different response perhaps

[3:01:22] Voice 3: just to add on that it's um certainly enough to advance the bylaw

[3:01:27] Voice 3: The bylaws essentially before the LTC based on this final piece, so it's certainly not asking for this comment prior to proceeding with the bylaws.

[3:01:39] Voice 3: It's just happening concurrently and I think it was just a little bit more for information.

[3:01:44] Voice 3: So there's no, I don't necessarily see a direct impact on the timeline associated with the reason that it was all of that.

[3:01:52] Voice 3: that.

[3:01:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's a

[3:01:55] Voice 13: referral, it's not

[3:01:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): saying subject to, it's a referral, and we have a really close

[3:02:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): working relationship with Plymouth, the groundwater belongs to the province.

[3:02:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): That's who owns that resource.

[3:02:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): So like I said, we have a very close working relationship and we're actually committed

[3:02:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): to trying to work to harmonizing all of our processes and so forth.

[3:02:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): So it's a healthy

[3:02:17] Voice 1: relationship, not an

[3:02:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): adversarial one at all, so I'm not concerned that they're

[3:02:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): you know this isn't like looking for flags this is a relationship yeah and

[3:02:29] Voice 20: you know from personal I spent quite a bit of time actually looking at that

[3:02:33] Voice 20: report because I wanted to try and understand it and I don't think I

[3:02:36] Voice 20: actually got there and so I would be grateful for some other expertise to go

[3:02:42] Voice 20: yeah it's all fine and and that's a comfort that you can gain as well but I

[3:02:48] Voice 16: But I did read the report yesterday, last night.

[3:02:50] Voice 16: I actually read all of what's been happening

[3:02:54] Voice 16: with the neighbors complaining that they're not here.

[3:02:57] Voice 16: And I wish they were,

[3:03:00] Voice 16: because I could actually tell him to read the report.

[3:03:04] Voice 16: And then the paragraphs that they submitted,

[3:03:06] Voice 16: it says, it doesn't touch anybody's aquifer,

[3:03:10] Voice 16: and it says that in detail, right?

[3:03:13] Voice 16: And it's just like, how is nobody understanding that?

[3:03:18] Voice 16: So now we have to send it out again. Like I said, that's just my question, right?

[3:03:22] Voice 16: We have all

[3:03:23] Voice 16: the information, but still we need to ask questions.

[3:03:26] Voice 20: Yeah, it's not going to change the timeline. Probably won't change the outcome.

[3:03:32] Voice 20: This is a good first step for you to get this done.

[3:03:35] Voice 20: I

[3:03:37] Voice 16: thought this was a big step.

[3:03:38] Voice 16: It

[3:03:38] Voice 20: is a big step.

[3:03:39] Voice 20: Yeah.

[3:03:40] Voice 20: Yeah, this is a big step, yeah. And I'm not

[3:03:42] Voice 20: undermining policy.

[3:03:43] Voice 16: Well, this is like, you know, we're in for the long haul. We've been at this for a while.

[3:03:47] Voice 20: yeah

[3:03:47] Voice 16: and i'm not stopping because it's it's now a positive thing that's going to go forward

[3:03:51] Voice 16: but um

[3:03:52] Voice 16: i'm in for the long haul because our place is staying here we're providing thousands of

[3:03:58] Voice 16: money that's

[3:03:58] Voice 20: great yeah and i thank you for that so uh should we vote on this motion

[3:04:03] Voice 20: all those in favor that carries good so uh this is a good step and we'll see this come back and

[3:04:11] Voice 20: And we'll see you here again, and hopefully advance it further.

[3:04:14] Voice 16: Great.

[3:04:15] Voice 16: Thanks very much.

[3:04:16] Voice 16: Thank you.

[3:04:16] Voice 16: Thank you.

[3:04:17] Voice 20: This

[3:04:17] Voice 16: was a happy year.

[3:04:18] Voice 16: Yeah, you too.

[3:04:19] Voice 16: Well,

[3:04:20] Voice 20: that brings us to the end of our agenda, which

[3:04:23] Voice 20: is remarkably early for the patterns we've

[3:04:26] Voice 20: been having most recently.

[3:04:28] Voice 20: Even electronic ones have been quite long.

[3:04:32] Voice 20: So grateful to staff for the excellent recording

[3:04:36] Voice 20: of the rest of it.

[3:04:38] Voice 20: And so our next meeting is scheduled as per item 9.1.2, which we don't have in front of me.

[3:04:49] Voice 20: This guy's sharp, man.

[3:04:51] Voice 20: At the community church.

[3:04:54] Voice 20: Correct.

[3:04:55] Voice 20: Perfect.

[3:04:56] Voice 20: Okay. Well,

[3:04:57] Voice 17: I like that new location.

[3:04:58] Voice 17: We'll

[3:04:59] Voice 20: probably be here, though.

[3:05:00] Voice 20: We will.

[3:05:01] Voice 20: Yes, please do.

[3:05:03] Voice 11: Yeah, hopefully.

[3:05:05] Voice 20: So if there's no further business today, I'll call for adjournment. All those in favor? That carries.

[3:05:10] Voice 20: All right.

[3:05:14] Voice 20: 141.

[3:05:14] Voice 20: And you can't drive to Colford in 10 minutes.

[3:05:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): Colford. Oh, you were driving. I was going to say, get you

[3:05:24] Voice 20: in the car and get you going.

[3:05:24] Voice 20: I was wondering whether it might be quicker for me to go back to the studio.

[3:05:30] Yeah, that's really...

[3:05:31] I've never had a problem with it. You

[3:05:32] Voice 4: need to be there now for sales.

[3:05:34] Voice 4: I waited three, three rounds. Somebody was pulling the foundation and required ten.

[3:05:41] And... and... and... and... forward is a guarantee.

[3:05:44] And you get down.

[3:05:47] So it created chaos at the very turn because they had all the weight...

[3:05:51] I hear that. With Mark's advice for his line...

[3:05:56] Was that every round? Was that your own mistake in flooding that?

[3:06:05] Voice 20: I think we're hoping that

[3:06:06] Voice 13: they're going to respond.

[3:06:07] Voice 13: If

[3:06:08] Voice 20: they don't, we can act on their request.

[3:06:10] Voice 20: Well, the conclusion is if this is happening this week,

[3:06:14] Voice 20: I'm going to get in the king's eye.

[3:06:16] That's why I made the offer to come.

[3:06:18] They asked for the national deadline.

[3:06:20] Okay.

[3:06:22] I'm trying to remember to follow up.

Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Minutes ADOPTED 1 
December 14, 2021 
  
 
Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
 
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 
  
Location: Lions Club, Hart Bradley Memorial Hall 
103 Bonnet Avenue, Salt Spring Island 
  
Members Present: Peter Luckham, Chair  
Peter Grove, Local Trustee 
Laura Patrick, Local Trustee 
 
Staff Present: Stefan Cermak, Regional Planning Manager (RPM) 
Geordie Gordon, Planner 2 
Rob Pingle, Recorder 
  
Media and Others Present: Gulf Islands Driftwood Reporters 
Approximately 12 members of the public 
 
These minutes follow the order of the agenda although the sequence may have varied.  
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
  
 Chair Luckham called  the  meeting  to  order  at 9:30 a.m. Chair  Luckham  introduced  himself,  the 
Trustees and staff and humbly stated gratitude to live and work in Coast Salish First Nations treaty 
and traditional territory.  Chair Luckham reported the meeting will be recorded and posted on the 
website. 
 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA  
 
 The following additional item was presented for consideration: 
 Item 8.2 Protection of Coastal Douglas-fir and Associated Ecosystems Project 
  
 By general consent, the agenda was adopted. 
 
3.  PREVIOUS MEETINGS 
 
 3.1   Draft Minutes of the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee  
 
  3.1.1     Draft Minutes of the November 9, 2021 SSI LTC Regular Meeting 
 
  By general consent, the minutes of the November 9, 2021 Salt Spring Island Local 
Trust Committee Regular meeting were adopted. 
 
 3.1.2 Draft Minutes of the October 22, 2021 SS LTC Special Meeting 
 

 
 
Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Minutes ADOPTED 2 
December 14, 2021 
  
 By general consent, the minutes of the October 22, 2021 Salt Spring Island 
Local Trust Committee Special meeting were adopted. 
 
 3.1.3 Draft Minutes of the November 18, 2021 SS LTC Special Meeting 
 
 By general consent, the minutes of the November 18, 2021 Salt Spring 
Island Local Trust Committee Special meeting were adopted. 
 
3.2  Resolutions Without Meeting Report - None 
 
 3.3  Draft Minutes of the Advisory Planning Commissions  
 
  3.3.1 Advisory Planning Commission - None  
 
  3.3.2 Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission - None 
 
  3.3.3  Ganges Village Planning Task Force 
 
3.3.3.1 Minutes  of  the  November  3,  2021  Ganges  Village  Area  Planning  Task 
Force Meeting 
 
     The minutes were received. 
 
 3.3.3.2 Draft Minutes of the November 18, 2021 Ganges Village Planning Task 
Force Meeting 
 
     The minutes were received. 
 
  3.3.4 Housing Action Program Task Force 
 
   3.3.4.1 Minutes of the October 7, 2021 Housing Action Task Force Meeting 
 
     The minutes were received. 
 
 3.3.4.2 Minutes  of  the  November  4,  2021  Housing Action  Program  Task  Force 
Meeting 
 
     The minutes were received. 
 
3.3.4.3 Draft Minutes of the November 17, 2021 Housing Action Program Task 
Force Meeting 
 
     The minutes were received. 
 
3.4 Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Public Hearing Record – None 
 

 
 
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4.  BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
 4.1 Follow Up Action List dated November 2021 
  The report was received. 
5. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING - None  
 
6. PUBLIC HEARING - None  
 
7.  REPORTS 
 
 7.1 Policy and Standing Resolutions List 
 
  The report was received. 
 
 7.2 Work Program Top Priorities Report dated December 2021 
 
  The report was received. 
 
 7.3 Projects List dated December 2021 
 
  The report was received. 
 
 7.4 Applications with Status Report dated December 2021 
 
  The report was received. 
 
There  was  a  question  regarding  the  advancement  of  SS-RZ-2021.2 – 265  Lower  Ganges 
Road. Planner Gordon spoke to the need to find an adequate water supply to allow for the 
density requested.  Trustee  Patrick  spoke  to  the  need  for  funding  of  a  solutions  lab  to 
source water for affordable housing projects in Ganges.  
 
There  was  a  question  regarding  the  advancement  of  SS-RZ-2017.2 – 221  Drake Road. 
Planner  Gordon  stated  that  reports  from  the  applicant  are  required  to  move  the  project 
forward.  
 
 7.5 Expense Report dated October 2021 
 
The report was received. 
 
 7.6 Islands Trust Conservancy Board Report - None 
 
 7.7 Salt Spring Island Watershed Protection Alliance (SSIWPA) Coordinator's Report - None 
  
Trustee Patrick spoke to the recent meeting and the productive efforts of Kirk Stinchcome 
of Econics Services, the consultant heading up the situation analysis of SSIWPA.  
 

 
 
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 7.8 Ganges Village Planning Task Force - Chair's Update  
 
Acting Chair McClean spoke to the positive work of the Task Force and the learning that is 
happening for the group especially around reconciliation. There is hope that they produce 
an  integrative  document  that  guides  the  development  of  Ganges  and  unifies  the  groups 
operating in the area.  
 
 7.9 Housing Action Program Task Force - Chair's Update 
 
Chair  Heitzmann  spoke  to  the  adoption  of  the  motions  at  the  last  LTC  meeting  that  will 
improve housing on the island. Task Force members are working on a review of the OCP. A 
matrix  of  the  best  ideas  from  the  Task   Force   is  being  developed  for  presentation. 
Connecting with those that are hard to reach is a key factor of the public engagement plan 
that  the  Task Force  is  working  on.  Trustee  Patrick  spoke  to  a  workshop  retreat  that  the 
Ganges Village Area Plan is holding and the possibility of housing being a part of it so that 
Housing  Action  Program  can  engage  in  the  discussion.  Chair Heitzmann spoke  to  the 
eagerness  to  engage  with  the  public  and  the  help  from  the  staff  being  positive  but  that 
resources are lacking such as current data.  
8. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
 8.1 Ganges Village Area Plan 
    
RPM Cermak spoke to the staff report dated November 23, 2021 regarding funding for 
the Task Force to hold a two-day workshop. 
 
SS-2021-231 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee endorses the re-allocation of funding 
within the Ganges Village Area Plan Project budget and additional staff time to have the 
consultant, Ahne Studio, facilitate a two-day workshop for the Ganges Village Area Plan 
Task Force. 
CARRIED 
 
SS-2021-232 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request staff to include a session on 
housing in the two-day workshop and invite the Housing Action Task Force to participate.  
CARRIED 
 
 8.2 Protection of Coastal Douglas-fir and Associated Ecosystems Project  
 
Trustee Patrick spoke to the upcoming staff report regarding wild fire hazard 
development permit area and water storage. She also spoke to the Coastal Douglas-fir 
and Associated Ecosystems Conservation Partnerships Conservation Strategy 2021 
vision statement released December 2021 (https://www.cdfcp.ca/). There was 
discussion about the active management of the forests and how to share this 
information with the public. Trustees noted that they would bring it to the attention of 

 
 
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the Executive Committee while staff noted that the Islands Trust Conservancy were 
partners in developing the strategy. 
9.  OTHER BUSINESS 
 
9.1 2022 Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Regular Meeting Schedule 
 
 RPM  Cermak  presented  a  staff  memorandum  dated  November  30,  2021  regarding  Salt 
Spring Island Local Trust Committee 2022 Regular Meeting Schedule. 
 
 SS-2021-233 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
 That the  Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust  Committee  approve  the  proposed  2022  Regular 
Meeting  schedule  as  presented  in  Appendix  1  to  establish  a  meeting  schedule  as  required 
by Salt Spring Island Meeting Procedures Bylaw No. 391. 
CARRIED 
 
9.2 Draft Bylaw No. 529 - Meeting Procedure Bylaw 
  
 RPM  Cermak  presented  a  staff  report  dated  November  30,  2021  regarding  Proposed 
Procedures Bylaw Amendments.  
 
 Chair Luckham spoke to the need to include that discrimination will not be tolerated within 
the meeting order and decorum section. He also spoke to the need to present a motion in 
writing prior to the meeting being included in the procedures.  
  
 SS-2021-234 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
 That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 529, cited as “Salt Spring Island 
Local Trust Committee Meeting Procedure Bylaw No. 529, 2021”, be given first, second, and 
third reading. 
CARRIED 
  
SS-2021-235 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 529, cited as “Salt Spring Island 
Local  Trust  Committee Meeting  Procedure  Bylaw  No.  529, 2021”, be forwarded to the 
Secretary of the Islands Trust for approval by the Executive Committee. 
CARRIED 
 
SS-2021-236 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the  Salt Spring Island Local Trust  Committee  request staff to review  Section 29 Order 
and  Decorum  of  Bylaw  No. 529  for  amendments  to  include  discriminatory  remarks  and 
inclusion and respectful conduct language. 
CARRIED 
 
 
 

 
 
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9.3 Standing Resolution for First Nations Consultation for Proposed Antenna Systems 
 
 RPM  Cermak presented  a  staff  report  dated  November  26,  2021  regarding  Standing 
Resolution for First Nations Consultation for Proposed Antenna Systems. 
 
 SS-2021-237 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
 That the  Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust  Committee  adopt  the  following  standing  resolution 
with respect to First Nations consultation in accordance with the “Strategy for Antenna 
Systems” in the Local Trust Area: 
a. The  proponent  will  consult  with  the  Local  Trust  Area  representative  during  the  pre-
consultation  phase  to  determine  proximity  of  the  proposed  antenna  system  to  known 
archaeological  sites  and/or  areas  of  archaeological  potential  and  obtain  a  list  of  First 
Nations rights and title holders; 
b. The  proponent  is  recommended  to  undertake  consultation  during  the  pre-consultation 
phase with the Islands Trust and a First Nations cultural knowledge holder for the siting 
of the proposed antenna system as it relates to cultural and sacred sites; 
c. The   proponent   will   obtain   and   provide   a   BC   Archaeological   Information   request 
response from the BC Archaeology Branch to confirm proximity of the proposed antenna 
system to known archaeological sites and/or areas of archaeological potential including 
permit requirements under the Heritage Conservation Act; 
d. The proponent will obtain and provide an Archeological Impact Assessment for antenna 
systems proposed to be sited on or within 100 metres of a known archaeological site or 
cultural/sacred site identified by a First Nations cultural knowledge holder; and 
e. The  proponent  will  provide  written  notice – including,  if  applicable,  the  Archeological 
Impact  Assessment – sent  by  regular  mail  or  hand  delivered  to  all  First  Nations  rights 
and title holders identified during the pre-consultation phase. 
CARRIED 
 
 SS-2021-238 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
 That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee forward the staff report dated December 
14, 2021 to the Regional Planning Committee. 
CARRIED 
10. CLOSED MEETING  
 10.1 Motion to Close the Meeting  
 SS-2021-239  
At 10:55 a.m., It  was  MOVED  and  SECONDED, that  the  Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust 
Committee close this meeting to the public subject to Community Charter Section 90 (1):  
(a)  personal  information  about  an identifiable  individual  who  holds  or  is  being  considered 
for  a  position  as  an      officer,  employee  or  agent  of  the  municipality  or  another  position 
appointed by the municipality;  
(g) litigation  or  potential  litigation  affecting  the  municipality; and  that  staff  be  invited  to 
remain. 
 
CARRIED 

 
 
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 10.2 Motion to Open the Meeting  
SS-2021- 240 
At 11:21 a.m., It  was  MOVED  and  SECONDED, that  the  Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust 
Committee  re-open  this  meeting  to  the  public  subject  to  Section  89  of  the  Community 
Charter. 
CARRIED 
The meeting recessed for a lunch break at 11:21 a.m. and reconvened at 12:00 p.m. 
Gary Holman joined the meeting at 12:00 p.m. 
 10.3 Rise and Report 
 
Chair Luckham reported that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee appointed Freyja 
Skye to the Housing Action Program Task Force. 
 
11. TRUSTEE REPORTS  
 
Trustee Grove presented the following report: 
 Attended  the  hybrid  Trust  Council  meeting  via  Zoom  and  appreciated  the  work  of  Chair 
Luckham.  
 Next steps on the budget with a potential 5% increase was noted.  
 Presented  to the Rotary  regarding  the  work  of  the  Islands  Trust  and  the  activities 
happening on Salt Spring. 
 
Trustee Patrick presented the following report: 
 Reminded  people  to  complete  the  Ganges  Village  survey  and  the  search  for  more 
members of the task force.  
 The    Coastal    Douglas    Fir    and    Associated    Ecosystems    Conservation Partnership 
Conservation  Strategy 2021 was  highlighted  and  she  read  the  vision  statement  from the 
December 2021 report.  
 Participated in BC Healthy Communities Initiative’s (Plan H) beta test for a course for local 
government on supporting equity in planning and policy.  
 November 19 “Ask Salt Spring” session was well received.  
 Attended the hybrid Trust Council meeting in person and noted that a resolution declaring 
a Housing Equity and Workforce Shortage passed.  
 SSIWPA members  provided  input  into  the  first  phase  of  the  strategic  planning  for 
watershed protection.  
 The Southern Gulf Island Forum discussed the impacts of flooding throughout the  region 
from recent storms.  
 
12.  CHAIR'S REPORT  
 
 Chair Luckham presented the following report: 
  Acknowledged the  work  of  Trustee  Grove  on  the  budget  committee  as  the  chair  and  that 
the work is going out to the community for consultation.  

 
 
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 Commented on the other LTC meetings he attended and the regional forum. 
 
13.  CRD DIRECTOR'S REPORT  
 
 Director Holman presented the following report: 
 Spoke  to  the  issue  of  the  Seabreeze  Inne and  the  challenges  for  housing  hospital  staff 
and those supported by Community Services.  
 The  purchase  by  the Hospital Foundation  is  good  for  the  community  as  the  funding  for 
Community Services to purchase was not supported by BC Housing.  
 Working  with  both  local  organizations  and  any  agencies  to  find  alternative  housing  for 
the current tenants of the Inne.  
 VanCity  foreclosure  on  the  Land  Bank  properties  is  providing  an  opportunity  for  new 
Non-Governmental Organizations to create housing.  
 Open  house  at  the  Middle  School  on  December 3rd was  a  success  with  about  200 
attendees.  
 He spoke to the work with the non-profits to act collaboratively and the opportunity for 
local governments to co-locate their offices in the building.  
 Strategic  review  by  SSIWPA  is underway  and  shows  promise  for  addressing  drinking 
water and the North Salt Spring Water Works District (NSWWD) moratorium.  
 Noted  that  for NSWWD to  receive  funding,  it requires  they  join  the Capital  Regional 
District. The Province  continues  to  address  this  issue  by  explaining  that  the  need  to 
address the issues by not needing a decision by the NSSWD until a grant is successful.  
 Highlighted  the  improvements  to  the  pathway  from  the  Salt  Spring  Commons  to  Drake 
Road to direct foot traffic away from Fulford-Ganges Road.  
  
14. CORRESPONDENCE  
 
14.1 J.  McClean  to  LTC - Dated  October  29,  2021 - Concerning  rents at  121  Atkins  Road,  SSI 
(Meadowbrook) 
 
       The correspondence was received. 
 
 SS-2021-241 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
 That  the  Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust  Committee  forward the correspondence to the 
Housing Action Program Task Force. 
CARRIED 
 
14.2 D. Vega to LTC - Dated November 10, 2021 - Concerning SS LTC Resolution SS-2017-168 
 
 The correspondence was received. 
 
14.3 F.   Skye  to  LTC - Dated  November  15,  2021 - Concerning  Housing  Changes  in  the 
Agricultural Land Reserve 
 
 The correspondence was received. 
 

 
 
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14.4 M.  Best  to  LTC - Dated  November  17,  2021 - Concerning  resignation  from  the  Ganges 
Village Planning Task Force 
 
 The correspondence was received. 
 
14.5 M.  and  G.  Forsyth  to  LTC,  with  Trustee  Patrick  response  and  RPM  Cermak  comment - 
Dated November 23, 2021 - Concerning Housing on the farm 
 
 The correspondence was received. 
 
14.6 O. McOuat to LTC, and Islands Trust reply - Dated October 19, 2021 -November 29, 2021 - 
Concerning Rogers Tower Update 
 
 The correspondence was received. 
 
14.7 Chair Luckham to Cypress Land Services, cc. LTC - Dated November 29, 2021 - Concerning 
Rogers Cell Tower Proposal in Channel Ridge 
 
 The correspondence was received. 
 
14.8 K.  Martell  on  behalf  of  Islands  Trust  Conservancy  to  LTC - Dated  December  2,  2021 - 
Concerning conservation covenants  
 
 The correspondence was received. 
 
15. DELEGATIONS  
  
 15.1 J. McClean - Concerning a request to the LTC to set a deadline for GISRA to provide rental 
information on Meadowbrook 
 
 Spoke  to  the  lack  of  equitable  housing  on  the  island  and  her  request  for  the EF0128 
covenant  deadline  request.  Wondered  if  the  rents  make  housing  inaccessible  to  seniors 
who  are  being  displaced  by  the  changes  at  the  Seabreeze  Inne.  Believes  the  rent  changes 
have been in excess of the provincial rules and that the SS LTC has an obligation to enforce 
the covenant.  
 
 15.2  L. Maffi - Concerning the Vortex development proposal 
 
  Spoke  to  her  work  experience   as  an  anthropologist  and  that  sustaining  the   natural 
environment    is    necessary    to   ensure    community    stays    connected.    Spoke    to    the 
connectedness of the First Nations with the community and that the preserve  and protect 
mandate of the Islands Trust was a correction to the colonial aspects of the past European 
development.  Developing  on  the  proposed  site  is  at  odds  with  the  work  of  the  Islands 
Trust’s  preserve  and  protect  mandate  and  the  need  to  ensure  the  community  stay 
connected to the natural environment.  
 
 
 

 
 
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 15.3 D. Rapport - Concerning the Vortex development proposal  
 
  Atmospheric rivers are more likely in the future and create greater potential for impacts on 
development projects like the Vortex. The concern of sewage discharge during an extreme 
weather event into Fulford Harbour and the adjacent stream should result in erring on the 
side  of  caution  to  preserve  and  protect  the  environment  as  trustees  are  elected  to 
maintain.  
 
 15.4 F. Attorp - Concerning the Vortex 
 
  Discussed  the  decisions made  at  the  meeting  in  2019  including the  lack  of  First  Nation 
consultation as well as legal pressure by the developer on the planning staff and statements 
by  a  trustee  supporting  the  site  being  developed.    Questioned  the  change  of language  in 
the  staff  reports  from  the  first  meeting  to  the  December  meeting. Spoke  to  the  work  of 
staff to educate the trustees and the need to pay more attention to them. 
 
16.  TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS  
 
Chair Luckham opened the Town Hall at 12:54 p.m. 
 
A member of the public spoke to a Driftwood news article regarding housing bylaw enforcement 
changes by the SS LTC and their receiving of a letter from Bylaw enforcement regarding the use of 
their property. 
 
Gary Holman left the meeting at 12:56  p.m. 
17. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
 17.1 SS-DP-2021.11 - J. Desrochers, Priority Permits Ltd. - 109 Purvis Lane, SSI 
 
RPM  Cermak presented  a  staff  report  dated  December  2,  2021  regarding  a Development 
Permit  for  DPA1  (Installation  of  plastic  backlit  signs,  of  signs  that  do  not  comply  with  the 
local sign bylaw, or of signs that are to be placed more than 5 metres above the ground). 
 
SS-2021-242 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Development Permit 
SS-DP-2021.11 (109 Purvis Lane). 
CARRIED 
  
 17.2 SS-DVP-2021.19 - D. McKerrell, Island Marine Construction - 110 Ontario Place, SSI 
 
Planner Gordon presented a staff report dated November 26, 2021 regarding a 
Development Variance Permit to permit a deck structure within the setback to the 
natural boundary of the sea.  
 
Applicant Dave McKerrell spoke to the application. 
 

 
 
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SS-2021-243 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Development 
Variance Permit SS-DVP-2021.19. 
CARRIED 
 
 17.3 SS-ALR-2021.5 - K. Young - 181 Beddis Road, SSI  
 
Planner  Gordon  presented  a  staff  report  dated December  1, 2021 regarding Non-farm  use 
to permit temporary parking of vehicles on agricultural land. 
 
Applicants Kimberly Young and Erik Lundstrom spoke to the application. 
 
SS-2021-244 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee refer application SS-ALR-2021.5 to the 
Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission for comment on the application generally as 
well as specifically on the following aspects: 
a. Existing and future agricultural use and/or potential of the subject property; 
b. The zoning of the property and intended use; 
c. The surrounding land uses of the subject property; 
d.  Whether  the  Salt  Spring  Local  Trust  Committee  should  support  the  non-farm  use 
application. 
CARRIED 
 
 17.4 SS-RZ-2017.3 - J. Colligan - 2188 North End Road, SSI  
 
Planner Gordon presented a staff report dated November 26, 2021 regarding a proposal to 
Rezone  to  Rural  Zone Variation  to  Allow  Existing  Cottage  to  be  Designated  as  Affordable 
Housing. 
 
Applicant Jamie Colligan spoke to the application. 
 
SS-2021-245 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 521, cited as “Salt Spring Island 
Land Use Bylaw, 1999, Amendment No. 4, 2019” be read a first time. 
CARRIED 
 
SS-2021-246 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request that staff refer Bylaw No. 521 to 
agencies, organizations, and Local Trust Committees, as identified in the staff report dated 
December 14, 2021. 
CARRIED 
 
 
 

 
 
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SS-2021-247 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee has reviewed the Directives Only Policy 
Checklist and determined that proposed Draft Bylaw No. 521 is not contrary to or at 
variance with the Islands Trust Policy Statement. 
CARRIED 
 
SS-2021-248 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request staff refer the potable water 
assessment report dated September 2021 to the Ministry of Forests, Lands, Natural 
Resource Operations & Rural Development for comment, specifically on sustainable yield 
and the likelihood of hydraulic connection. 
CARRIED 
 
18.  UPCOMING MEETINGS  
 
 The  next  regular  meeting  of  the  Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust  Committee  is  scheduled  for  9:30 
a.m. on Jan 18, 2022 at the Community Gospel Chapel, 147 Vesuvius Bay Road, Salt Spring Island. 
 
19. ADJOURNMENT 
 
By general consent the meeting adjourned at 1:41 p.m. 
 
 
_________________________ 
Peter Luckham, Chair 
 
CERTIFIED CORRECT: 
 
 
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Rob Pingle, Recorder