Lasqueti Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, February 7, 2022

[0:00:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right, so it looks like it's recording and live streaming, so that's excellent. Good job.

[0:00:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Mesquite Island Local Trust Committee meeting for February the 7th, 2022.

[0:00:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): We're a little bit late here. We've had some technology issues with the webinar situation,

[0:00:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): situation. But Heather Carr, our regional flying manager, has managed to pull that together

[0:00:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): and it looks like it's all working fine. So thank you very much, Heather, for the extra

[0:00:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): effort today. We had some staff away that would normally conduct this activity. Hence

[0:00:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): some of the troubles with hosting electronic meetings in every possible way we can. We'd

[0:00:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): certainly love to do that, but it does have its challenges and we had that demonstrated

[0:00:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): this morning. Anyway, my name is Peter Lockham. I'm elected on Thetis Island and that's in the

[0:01:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): Laiacson and Penelakut Territory. It's a beautiful place to be as throughout the entire Salish Sea,

[0:01:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): rich with history and culture, just waiting for you to, for us to learn about it and explore it

[0:01:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): and appreciate that the Coast Salish people have been on this coast since time immemorial.

[0:01:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): In fact, I heard just this morning, the northwest corner of Vancouver Island,

[0:01:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): they are now suggesting was not glaciated in the last glaciation, as was the Queen Charlotte Islands.

[0:01:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so the potential for discovering history in excess of, I think, 20,000 years,

[0:01:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): exists in those places. Of course a lot of things here were made of cedar which is not very long

[0:01:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): lasting but certainly there's lots of other archaeological sites that are available for us

[0:02:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): to understand what the communities and culture was like here since that memorial. I just want to

[0:02:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): to introduce trustees and staff here today.

[0:02:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): We've got Tim Peterson,

[0:02:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): elected on your lovely island, Liskety.

[0:02:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): Welcome, Tim.

[0:02:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): And Peter Johnson, also elected on Liskety.

[0:02:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): Good morning.

[0:02:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): And we have Heather Carr, our regional planning manager,

[0:02:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): who is a planner for this LTC,

[0:02:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): amongst the many other hats that you wear

[0:02:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): and appreciate all that you do.

[0:02:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): And we've got David Olson here this morning.

[0:02:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): He's our minute taker.

[0:02:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): and David thank you very much for the work that you do for us and also on Liskety Island obviously.

[0:02:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I'm just going to my notes here today we're hopeful that Director Fall will be able to join

[0:03:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): us out there you are Director Fall the Thot Regional District good morning Director Fall

[0:03:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): I managed to see you here, and you have some trouble with the session getting started.

[0:03:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): At any rate, we are electronically recording and streaming this for folks to be able to

[0:03:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): attend us in the best way possible in these, still, these very long and tiresome, to some

[0:03:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): extent, pandemic times that we're all experiencing.

[0:03:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): Hopefully, we will come out of the end of this in the not-too-distant future, but we

[0:03:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): We shall see.

[0:03:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Hopefully my voice isn't fading out as I look away.

[0:03:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): I know that's a problem.

[0:03:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'll try and look closer.

[0:03:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): We are going to attempt to bring people in, if I'm not mistaken, Heather, during the town hall that wish to speak to the LTC.

[0:03:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): And hopefully that goes smoothly.

[0:03:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): We are without some technical staff here this morning.

[0:04:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): So there may or may not be as smooth as we would like.

[0:04:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): But we're going to give that the best try we can.

[0:04:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): can. So at the bottom of your screen, there's a hand icon that you can raise to let us know that

[0:04:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): you want to speak, and then you would be promoted. And then also, if you join by phone, you can press

[0:04:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): star nine, and that will raise your hand and star six to unmute yourself. So appreciate your

[0:04:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): understanding and assistance in this situation with this technology, and hopefully it all goes

[0:04:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): go smoothly. I hear another phone ringing, so I'm just going to have to go turn that off.

[0:04:49] Voice 9: Yeah, sorry about that.

[0:04:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): So anyway, this is the meeting of the Laskete Island Local Trust

[0:04:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): Committee here. And we, of course, want to honour and respect all of the participants here,

[0:05:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): the trustees and members of the public, that this be a safe and respectful place to work,

[0:05:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): meet and discuss the important issues and topics on your island. So the first thing we're going

[0:05:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): going to start

[0:05:14] Voice 3: and

[0:05:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm going to

[0:05:23] Trustee Johnston: link or need to

[0:05:24] Trustee Johnston: be added to our agenda. Your voice totally

[0:05:27] Trustee Johnston: disappeared when you

[0:05:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): turned. So I'm going to ask if there's anything new or late that needs to be

[0:05:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): added to our agenda today.

[0:05:37] Trustee Johnston: Yes, I have a number of items.

[0:05:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, go ahead.

[0:05:49] Trustee Johnston: A discussion of safe

[0:05:51] Trustee Johnston: Safe Island Alliance, Land Alliance, very brief.

[0:05:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, just are these topics that you can't cover in your trustees report?

[0:06:01] Trustee Johnston: Yes.

[0:06:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so then under 11.3 tentatively, what is it that you'd like to do?

[0:06:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): The Safe Island Alliance?

[0:06:10] Trustee Johnston: Yeah, Safe Island Land Alliance.

[0:06:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, and what else?

[0:06:20] Trustee Johnston: Meetings with First Nations.

[0:06:23] Trustee Johnston: Okay.

[0:06:24] Trustee Johnston: and I actually had requested that both of those be put on the agenda yeah

[0:06:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm not sure the status

[0:06:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): of that but it's fine yeah

[0:06:35] Trustee Johnston: okay anything else

[0:06:36] Trustee Johnston: yes correspondence oh

[0:06:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): yes and what do you have

[0:06:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): for correspondence I

[0:06:44] Trustee Johnston: I don't have anything and that's the problem and I have a couple of other

[0:06:51] Trustee Johnston: very quickly

[0:06:52] Trustee Johnston: a request for a monitor.

[0:07:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): A monitor for

[0:07:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): what kind of a monitor?

[0:07:07] Trustee Johnston: Well, let's just say

[0:07:11] Trustee Johnston: let's put

[0:07:12] Trustee Johnston: electronic meetings

[0:07:14] Trustee Johnston: as the agenda item.

[0:07:15] Trustee Johnston: It won't take long, but I would like to talk

[0:07:18] Trustee Johnston: about it. And I could talk about it.

[0:07:20] Trustee Johnston: I could talk about that in my

[0:07:21] Trustee Johnston: trustee report.

[0:07:22] Trustee Johnston: Well,

[0:07:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): you can do as you see fit. We'll either have it 11.5 or you can do it in your...

[0:07:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'll do it in my trustee report.

[0:07:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): Now, correspondence, there is no correspondence on our agenda. Correspondence associated with

[0:07:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): applications or projects would be posted to the website and you would have received it

[0:07:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): otherwise. Heather, is there some correspondence that's missing that

[0:07:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): to trustee johnson or any of us should be seeing and i realize

[0:07:53] Voice 7: we're putting it i'm

[0:07:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): aware of yeah

[0:07:54] Voice 7: i realize we're

[0:07:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): putting you on the spot um because probably you would have thought will would have

[0:07:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): helped you with that um so uh trustee peterson i see your hand up uh can you contribute to this

[0:08:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): section or should i seek more clarity uh

[0:08:08] Voice 11: i was just gonna say i don't know if you guys got a

[0:08:11] Voice 11: chance to see it but the ltc did receive a couple of emails um i saw them in my inbox that were sent

[0:08:19] Voice 11: yesterday from yeah they obviously

[0:08:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): came in late and not able to be included in the agenda um it's

[0:08:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): and indeed uh also not able for the public to receive them um because they're not they didn't

[0:08:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): meet the deadline. And there is a deadline for correspondence. I saw probably even earlier on,

[0:08:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): but nonetheless, I don't believe any of that met the deadline. Have you seen all of that,

[0:08:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): Heather, just to make sure that you've been circulated? Yeah. So it is up to the LTC if

[0:08:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): you want to receive that specific materials. Given that, and in fact, actually, given that

[0:09:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's associated with the ocp which is a project of the ltc it will be posted to the website and

[0:09:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): we will receive it when we actually go into um reviewing the ocp further but at this time i think

[0:09:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): um the only thing we're doing here today is receiving a memo with respect to where we're

[0:09:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): at on that uh ocp would that be correct heather yeah so uh what is the pleasure of the ltc at this

[0:09:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): time given all that that we will receive that likely at our next meeting or at the time that we

[0:09:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): have a close look at the ocp okay so that's uh consensus on that i think all right then so i've

[0:09:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): got three items to add to the agenda and then by general consent i've got 11.3 safe island alliance

[0:09:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): 11.4 meeting with First Nations 11.5 electronic meetings is there is that okay to add to the

[0:10:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): agenda and is there anything further all right but then those items will be added to the agenda

[0:10:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): and Dave you captured that okay yes it's all great thank you excellent thank you very much sir

[0:10:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): all right then so I'm going to then by general consent approve the agenda as amended and thank

[0:10:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): you everybody and let us begin with the trustee reports and uh who would like to go first today

[0:10:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'll

[0:10:41] Trustee Johnston: go first before

[0:10:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): you jump in there i just got um a chat by the looks of it which heather

[0:10:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): normally we don't allow member of the public to uh send chats because it's distracting and

[0:10:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): and indeed it's now distracting me um um but the town hall will be following the reports which um

[0:11:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): If you have an agenda available to you, we'd give you this series of events.

[0:11:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): And it's scheduled for 10.30, but we're running a little bit late because we had some technology issues to the person that asked about that.

[0:11:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): So let us then, I think, Peter Johnson, you said you were going to begin.

[0:11:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): So over to you.

[0:11:19] Voice 2: Yeah,

[0:11:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's

[0:11:21] Trustee Johnston: been such a long time since we met, except for that special meeting to do the meeting procedures by law.

[0:11:27] Trustee Johnston: It's hard to know to be in the train of progress.

[0:11:31] Trustee Johnston: progress. That meeting, I attended that meeting from the health center, partly because I had been

[0:11:40] Trustee Johnston: told by Mark that I didn't have sufficient bandwidth to do it from home, but that proves

[0:11:45] Trustee Johnston: not to have been correct, or maybe I've got more bandwidth now than I did then. So I'm at home

[0:11:52] Trustee Johnston: today, but I strongly believe, I attended that meeting from there. I was expecting one person

[0:12:00] Trustee Johnston: who told me they were going to come, they didn't come and it turned out that their car wouldn't

[0:12:05] Trustee Johnston: start and they couldn't get there. And I think it's important that people who don't have a

[0:12:09] Trustee Johnston: telephone or don't have internet connection should be able to attend the meeting without

[0:12:14] Trustee Johnston: having to travel to Gabriela Island. So my intention is to, other than today, to meet

[0:12:22] Trustee Johnston: electronically when we do have electronic meetings from the health center so that people can attend

[0:12:29] Trustee Johnston: and at least listen to the meeting there.

[0:12:31] Trustee Johnston: I had one person show up at the meeting, came in, sat down,

[0:12:36] Trustee Johnston: and when he saw me and my laptop computer at the table,

[0:12:41] Trustee Johnston: the back of it, all he could see, he said to me,

[0:12:44] Trustee Johnston: do you expect me to watch you watching television?

[0:12:48] Trustee Johnston: And I said, I have no expectations of you.

[0:12:51] Trustee Johnston: You can do as you like.

[0:12:52] Trustee Johnston: And he huffed out or went out in a huff.

[0:12:56] Trustee Johnston: So I don't know if you're aware,

[0:12:59] Trustee Johnston: but after one of our meetings it was discovered that the screen had been pulled totally out of

[0:13:05] Trustee Johnston: the holder and there's no screen there there's a wonderful projection uh that is just a great

[0:13:12] Trustee Johnston: thing and so you got the picture i don't know what is it 10 or 12 feet wide maybe a little more

[0:13:17] Trustee Johnston: but there's no screen so it doesn't work it doesn't working so i'm requesting uh a long time

[0:13:24] Trustee Johnston: time ago Heather told me that she thought there might be an extra monitor around somewhere we

[0:13:29] Trustee Johnston: could acquire one and I did once borrow a huge one relatively huge from the fire department

[0:13:36] Trustee Johnston: I could do that again but I'm reluctant to do that I don't have one myself so I'm requesting

[0:13:42] Trustee Johnston: that we consider either acquiring a monitor or perhaps making a contribution to the last

[0:13:49] Trustee Johnston: resort society to towards having the screen repaired or replaced so that when when there

[0:13:56] Trustee Johnston: is an electronic meeting the public could come there to see it and hear it

[0:14:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): um okay um does that

[0:14:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): uh we certainly have maybe ask uh regional planning manager carver about that monitor video

[0:14:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): request. My question is, I don't recall what the wall looks like behind the desk there. Can it not

[0:14:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): be projected on the wall? Is there paintings or something on the wall?

[0:14:30] Trustee Johnston: There's a big tapestry

[0:14:32] Trustee Johnston: there.

[0:14:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): I got it. That's unfortunate.

[0:14:36] Trustee Johnston: Anyway, I suppose a temporary screen, you know, a portable

[0:14:39] Trustee Johnston: screen would do, except that the projector is set up.

[0:14:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, and your audio has completely

[0:14:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): disappeared now there peter and it's just very very faint oh really well oh there you are that's

[0:14:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): good now oh

[0:14:58] Voice 9: yeah

[0:15:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): i think you i think all these laptops develop the same symptom and that you

[0:15:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): have to speak directly to the screen or it doesn't work otherwise you have to wear headphones which i

[0:15:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): don't like using but i don't either

[0:15:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah yes uh heather do you have any remarks about that uh

[0:15:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): the ability to project or provide not only video, but obviously audio as well. I think this is all

[0:15:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): part and parcel of the whole electronic meeting dilemma that we find ourselves in. Go ahead,

[0:15:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): Heather. Yeah,

[0:15:34] Voice 7: I mean, I guess maybe, did I hear, am I hearing that the pull-down screen doesn't

[0:15:40] Voice 7: work? Is that the problem? Yeah.

[0:15:43] Voice 7: Okay, so I guess I was, I forgot that or wasn't aware of it. Anyway,

[0:15:47] Voice 7: You know, I think it's possible for the LTC to request a monitor, but the bigger picture is that the organization would then have to be able to offer monitors to every LTC, and then what do we, and we have to consider what we're going to be doing with them, you know, whether we can put them in the budget, where we're going to store them, who's responsible for them, etc., etc.

[0:16:14] Voice 7: et cetera. So all of those things have to be considered. I think that we as staff have

[0:16:22] Voice 7: contemplated a time in the future when we would be able to project the video or presentations

[0:16:32] Voice 7: and that sort of thing. But given the staffing constraints that we have for the system we have

[0:16:38] Voice 7: right now, we thought that that would be something we'd have to do. We'd have to kind of put into

[0:16:44] Voice 7: a future plan when we have it when we have a more fulsome ability um but at a very micro level yes

[0:16:51] Voice 7: the ltc could request um the purchase of a monitor and um and i don't know if that would come out of

[0:16:59] Voice 7: your ltc budget or if there's a i.t budget associated with it

[0:17:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah um and i'm just going

[0:17:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): going to add from the ec's perspective um this is um the situation is completely in flux um we had

[0:17:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): a plan you know uh six months ago or somewhat and it's changed quite a bit and is continuing to

[0:17:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): change and it's things like this as we live and learn this reality um of going above and beyond

[0:17:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): what we're required to do in terms of in-person meetings,

[0:17:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): which is what we are expected to do.

[0:17:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): The government has provided us the ability to now meet electronically,

[0:17:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): but obviously that's added additional complexity.

[0:17:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): So, yeah, I don't know.

[0:17:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): I guess the thing there would be is that we could, I guess,

[0:18:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): have a motion.

[0:18:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): I guess you would want to have a motion that we would want to see some kind of video capability,

[0:18:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): but it's much a bigger question than that.

[0:18:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): And of course, I presume that we pay a fee for the use of the health center.

[0:18:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): And one would think that if a projector and a screen was part of the health center rental,

[0:18:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): that that might be actually something we would expect.

[0:18:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): But that's hard to say. I don't know.

[0:18:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): Heather, do you have any further advice on that or what would you like us to do?

[0:18:34] Voice 7: Yeah, well, I was just going to say that there are other things to consider.

[0:18:38] Voice 7: You know, if if we are using the hall as any kind of venue as an official part of meeting, we have to our administrative staff have to book that ahead of time and we have to pay for that use.

[0:18:52] Voice 7: But there's also this weird regulatory thing that is basically, we have to decide whether a staff person has to be present or not.

[0:19:04] Voice 7: If there are two or more trustees attending remotely to the meeting, then a staff person has to be present at the location where the public can see and hear the meeting.

[0:19:19] Voice 7: gang. So we might have a situation in which the chair and one of the trustees is attending

[0:19:25] Voice 7: remotely. One of the trustees is attending the hall, and that means that a staff person has to

[0:19:31] Voice 7: travel to the island and be at that physical location. They can't attend remotely. Well,

[0:19:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): if the location is designated as being on Leskete, if it's designated as being

[0:19:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): in Gabriola or somewhere else. That's

[0:19:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): right. That's right. Or Parksville, for that matter.

[0:19:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[0:19:49] Voice 7: So there's all those logistical things to consider too.

[0:19:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah. And I think that maybe we're coming up into our budget debate here. There may

[0:19:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): very well be a topic of conversation there, financial planning committee in the next week or

[0:20:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): so about how it is that we're going to address this. But Mr. Johnson, more?

[0:20:08] Trustee Johnston: Well, I was just going to say that I wasn't thinking that the health center would be the

[0:20:12] Trustee Johnston: official location of the meeting. That would be an additional public access, but entirely

[0:20:17] Trustee Johnston: unofficial location so no need for a staff member to be there that the local the official location

[0:20:24] Trustee Johnston: would be gabriela the other thing is when i did borrow the monitor before the fire chief carried

[0:20:30] Trustee Johnston: it over from the fire hall which is quite close left it there and he had me leave it there and

[0:20:36] Trustee Johnston: he picked it up and took it back and that worked really well for me but i don't know how well it

[0:20:41] Trustee Johnston: works for him and i'm a little worried that if whoever is carrying it drops it we would be or

[0:20:47] Trustee Johnston: or I would be responsible for that.

[0:20:50] Trustee Johnston: Especially

[0:20:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): if you dropped it.

[0:20:51] Trustee Johnston: Yes.

[0:20:53] Trustee Johnston: And I'm thinking that I will suggest to the board

[0:20:56] Trustee Johnston: or request the board repair or replace the screen

[0:21:00] Trustee Johnston: and increase the rent on the hall or on the meeting room

[0:21:05] Trustee Johnston: to help pay for that.

[0:21:08] Trustee Johnston: Whatever works.

[0:21:09] Trustee Johnston: Yeah.

[0:21:10] Trustee Johnston: OK, well, I just thank you for your input.

[0:21:13] Trustee Johnston: Tim has something.

[0:21:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, Tim, go ahead.

[0:21:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah,

[0:21:17] Voice 11: so the AV equipment at the Judith Fisher Centre hasn't been officially part of the rent.

[0:21:29] Voice 11: It's stuff that was brought in by the board to help facilitate their meetings.

[0:21:38] Voice 11: It was great. We've got to use it. Now the screen is broken.

[0:21:43] Voice 11: broken um it's unclear exactly how that happened when it happened there's some conflicting opinions

[0:21:51] Voice 11: about that um and i think given that that's the situation i don't think the board is in a hurry

[0:21:59] Voice 11: to replace that screen and have it be used in a way that's unaccountable again because they're

[0:22:06] Voice 11: not cheap and so unless in i i don't see us asking for them to do something like that unless

[0:22:14] Voice 11: we're willing to be accountable for our use of it because i don't i don't think they're going to

[0:22:18] Voice 11: want to let us use it without some accountability that's just what i know of their process

[0:22:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): absolutely um so let's just see how this evolves i think you know how they can contribute to the

[0:22:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): conversation broadly and certainly a conversation at ec at the moment and will be a conversation at

[0:22:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): the budget time i think is that all right and peter did you have anything else to report on

[0:22:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[0:22:44] Trustee Johnston: just want to report briefly on the Liskiti Archaeology Project, which is continuing for a couple of more years.

[0:22:54] Trustee Johnston: We're planning for spring events and particularly around four weeks in the summertime centered on low tide because there are a lot of archaeological sites below the high tide line that we want to be able to explore and map the extent of and just to appreciate.

[0:23:18] Trustee Johnston: And we'll continue to have nations, the Ba'am and Comox nations have participated fully.

[0:23:25] Trustee Johnston: Qualicum is participants and others.

[0:23:29] Trustee Johnston: Not all of them have been able to be here, and we hope to expand that.

[0:23:34] Trustee Johnston: Dana recently wrote to many of the landowners with known and recorded sites on the Muskegon,

[0:23:40] Trustee Johnston: has had a variety of responses from them.

[0:23:44] Trustee Johnston: sort of, as you'd expect, from very enthusiastic to very reticent. And

[0:23:50] Trustee Johnston: there's a lot of uncertainty, I think, and mixed feelings about it. We're going to have a couple

[0:23:57] Trustee Johnston: of events. One is in March. Actually, it's the day after Trust Council. And I believe that the

[0:24:04] Trustee Johnston: trustees will all be invited to a webinar on First Nations heritage policy. Some nations have very

[0:24:12] Trustee Johnston: well-developed policies on how they want their heritage, their archaeological heritage to be

[0:24:20] Trustee Johnston: dealt with and controlled and some have not and are just beginning to think that. So we're planning

[0:24:27] Trustee Johnston: a panel and discussion on that to which I think that all the trustees and possibly some of the

[0:24:35] Trustee Johnston: staff or maybe all the staff will be invited to but there'll be follow-up from that and other

[0:24:40] Trustee Johnston: other events. And we found quite a number of culturally modified

[0:24:46] Trustee Johnston: trees on Lusketi, which is really interesting. And once

[0:24:49] Trustee Johnston: you've seen one, you tend to see more of them. So they keep

[0:24:52] Trustee Johnston: showing up. By and large, all of the sites we've looked at so

[0:24:58] Trustee Johnston: far, which is a handful, they've been much more extensive than we

[0:25:03] Trustee Johnston: thought they were, or than is recorded. And much more

[0:25:07] Trustee Johnston: interesting. So that's it for now. Thank you.

[0:25:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you very much for sharing that information

[0:25:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): and indeed once you become aware of something in the landscape indeed it becomes obvious that

[0:25:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): there's more of it and indeed that's the concern about our development on the islands is some

[0:25:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): areas have that have not been identified as being archaeologically significant turns out that they

[0:25:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): are and that's why we want to be cautious so that's really great peter glad that work's going

[0:25:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): on so let us go to trustee johnson and or trustee peterson rather and uh see what uh you have to

[0:25:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): report today over to you tim uh

[0:25:51] Voice 11: thank you chair not an awful lot to report um in terms of local

[0:25:57] Voice 11: trust committee business as you know we of course haven't uh been engaged in much um other than the

[0:26:05] Voice 11: special meeting to allow this electronic meeting to take place uh just note that i'm continuing to

[0:26:12] Voice 11: hear from the public that they would like us to get back to in-person meetings just as soon as

[0:26:20] Voice 11: possible and i can certainly sympathize with that having had technical difficulties in trying to

[0:26:28] Voice 11: attend meetings before i can understand how incredibly frustrating it can be and of course

[0:26:32] Voice 11: there are also people who don't have the technology available to them in their homes to

[0:26:37] Voice 11: attend these electronic meetings. I'm gonna say I'm also have been hearing a lot, getting a lot

[0:26:47] Voice 11: of questions about the provincial water licensing and seeing some debate on some of our local chat

[0:26:56] Voice 11: groups and so that I think that the the honest trust William show was a webinar

[0:27:05] Voice 11: has generated a lot of thought discussion on that I think that's

[0:27:10] Voice 11: generally a you know a positive thing that people are thinking about it

[0:27:13] Voice 11: talking about it and yeah I'm just I'm just registered for the Salish Sea

[0:27:24] Voice 11: ecosystem conference here coming up in april happy to be attending that again and um yeah there's a

[0:27:36] Voice 11: number of uh committee meetings coming up in the next week or so i'll be at uh financial planning

[0:27:43] Voice 11: and uh trust programs and uh regional planning and and then of course we'll be getting the uh

[0:27:52] Voice 11: the first results of the governance management review as well,

[0:27:56] Voice 11: coming up. So not much to report at the moment,

[0:27:59] Voice 11: but there should be a fair bit to report by the end of, end of this month.

[0:28:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, good. Thank you very much, Tim.

[0:28:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): So from this quarter chair's report,

[0:28:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): certainly these are very busy times for the Islanders Trust.

[0:28:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): trust. The most obvious one right at this instant is the budget, and that is in the public

[0:28:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): consultation phase, and now that will be concluding, and we'll be going into reviewing all the materials

[0:28:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): of which there is an abundance of materials to review with points of view on how our budget

[0:28:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): it should be how what it should be what should be on it what shouldn't be on it um and all that

[0:28:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): sort of thing and um that's going to be ending up a financial planning committee and then uh we'll

[0:28:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): be advancing to trust council on march um 8 9th and 10th and that meeting will be in nanaimo for

[0:29:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): those folks that wish to attend that will there will be in public attendance possible as well as

[0:29:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): of course all this electronic meeting attendance that we've been uh establishing um on top of the

[0:29:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): budget is uh we are expecting the governance review uh report to be coming out in the next

[0:29:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): week or so here um and that is a third-party uh investigation into how it is how we might

[0:29:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): to possibly improve and deliver on the preserve and protect mandate of the islands trust and

[0:29:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): looking forward to that to see what opportunities there might be for us to improve what we do.

[0:29:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): The policy statement is also a major piece of work that is underway that

[0:29:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): many are interested in. The Guiding Principles Document of the Owners Trust.

[0:30:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): is now going out to public consultation,

[0:30:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): extended public consultation.

[0:30:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): And there will be a number of events and surveys

[0:30:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): and on island events and various publications

[0:30:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): to help folks come to understand

[0:30:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): what the policy statement is

[0:30:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): and where it should or shouldn't be improved

[0:30:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): or changed in some way,

[0:30:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): again, in the preserve and protect mandate.

[0:30:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): mandate and so please watch out for that as an event will be coming to your island that's the

[0:30:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): commitment that we have and so let's see how that unfolds so I think that does it from me

[0:30:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): pleasure to be here as your chair working on the Skeedy Island thank you very much so electoral

[0:30:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): area director where are you there there you are can

[0:30:50] Voice 1: you hear me okay

[0:30:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): I can hear you director fall

[0:30:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): Paul, nice to see you.

[0:30:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): Over to you.

[0:30:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay,

[0:30:54] Voice 1: thank you, Chair.

[0:30:55] Voice 1: A lot has happened since October,

[0:30:58] Voice 1: so I will try to focus on a few high-level summary points.

[0:31:03] Voice 1: First, our postal services have been disrupted

[0:31:06] Voice 1: since the end of November,

[0:31:08] Voice 1: and with thanks to the Laskete Last Resort Society,

[0:31:11] Voice 1: starting today, a temporary post office will be operating

[0:31:15] Voice 1: out of the Judith Fisher Centre

[0:31:16] Voice 1: with a temporary postmaster for the time being,

[0:31:19] Voice 1: and this will help restore this vital service in mid-october i attended the virtual climate

[0:31:26] Voice 1: change summit organized by the climate caucus the panel on systemic changes in local government

[0:31:31] Voice 1: explored the concept of donut economics which provides a tool for assessing risks and shortfalls

[0:31:38] Voice 1: in an integrated manner this model has been adopted by the city of nanaimo which is downscaling it to

[0:31:44] Voice 1: the scale of a municipality. So it will be interesting to see how they make with that,

[0:31:49] Voice 1: and it might provide useful information for other governments. In late October, I attended a climate

[0:31:55] Voice 1: caucus meeting that hosted the mayors of Lytton and De Colliet for an open discussion. It was

[0:32:01] Voice 1: sobering to hear how their catastrophes led to many interacting issues and challenges for recovery.

[0:32:08] Voice 1: For example, in Lytton, many people did not have insurance. The release of contaminants will require expensive cleanup before any rebuilding can start, and the Municipal Council had nowhere nearby to meet to even get things going and first had to focus on building a temporary meeting place so they didn't have to meet in Kamloops where they were having to start.

[0:32:32] Voice 1: In November, I attended a webinar on the reconciliation and island communities organized by SFU professors Dana Leposki and Sean Markey as part of the Pauete Liskiti Archaeology Project that Trustee Johnson mentioned.

[0:32:48] Voice 1: This webinar included a very good presentation by Lisa Wilcox, the Island's Trust Senior Intergovernmental Policy Advisor, and it was quite well attended. It was a very good webinar.

[0:32:58] Voice 1: I would like to acknowledge the Liskiti Beach Cleanup Heroes who worked during the summer and autumn as part of a grant project where they picked up over 10,000 kilograms of marine debris from the shores of Liskiti and nearby islands, including as far away as Bolinas Island.

[0:33:13] Voice 1: Much appreciation to Mikayla, Anna, Heather, Kaya, Tayan, Julia, Carly, Chauvin, Farron, Agul, and Mark.

[0:33:23] Voice 1: The QRD put forward a resolution to Association of Vancouver Island Coastal Communities

[0:33:28] Voice 1: to request that the province ban the use of expanded polystyrene,

[0:33:32] Voice 1: commonly known as styrofoam, in the marine environment

[0:33:36] Voice 1: with the help of the Let's Talk Trash team and Ocean Legacy.

[0:33:39] Voice 1: I acknowledge that the Islands Trust put forward a related resolution in 2017

[0:33:43] Voice 1: to ask the province to regulate styrofoam in the marine environment,

[0:33:48] Voice 1: and that was endorsed.

[0:33:49] Voice 1: forced, this new resolution strengthens that one in recognition of the persistence of styrofoam

[0:33:55] Voice 1: marine pollution.

[0:33:57] Voice 1: At its November meeting, the Vancouver Island Regional Library Board decided to eliminate

[0:34:01] Voice 1: fines entirely for overdue material to improve equal and equitable access to library material.

[0:34:08] Voice 1: If items are not returned by 120 days after the due date, they will be deemed lost and

[0:34:14] Voice 1: replacement costs will be added to the cardholder's account and if charges are in excess of

[0:34:19] Voice 1: the $40 borrowing will be suspended, but it will make it much more accessible to people.

[0:34:25] Voice 1: And the overall assessment was that the cost of doing this, the lost recovery of fines,

[0:34:30] Voice 1: was negligible because it's just a challenging thing.

[0:34:36] Voice 1: So this is actually going to improve use of materials.

[0:34:39] Voice 1: In January, I attended a Liskiti Ferry Committee meeting.

[0:34:43] Voice 1: As with BC ferries, our ferry service is currently at risk of reduced capacity or runs

[0:34:48] Voice 1: if any crews are absent for any reason.

[0:34:51] Voice 1: As frontline workers, the ferry crew face the best and worst of individual behaviour

[0:34:56] Voice 1: and have been dealing with some challenging situations regarding their requirements

[0:35:00] Voice 1: to ensure that Transport Canada mask mandates are followed.

[0:35:04] Voice 1: I tip my hat to the ferry crew for continuing to operate our service safely.

[0:35:08] Voice 1: And finally, I note the item in the agenda on the Shoreline Protection Model By-law

[0:35:12] Voice 1: and hope the timing with the QRD shoreline flood risk mapping results,

[0:35:19] Voice 1: which should come this year, hopefully sooner than later,

[0:35:23] Voice 1: but that may be useful in that to help address shoreline erosion risk

[0:35:28] Voice 1: and assess that in the context of that shoreline protection project.

[0:35:34] Voice 1: Thank you very much, Chair.

[0:35:35] Voice 1: That's the end of my report.

[0:35:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yes, thank you very much for your report, Director Fall.

[0:35:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): all indeed this morning our ferry did not leave on its regular schedule because of the staff

[0:35:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): shortage apparently it has recovered but this is problematic throughout the Salish Sea the ferries

[0:35:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): are definitely being challenged and indeed my hat also goes off to those that do what they can to

[0:36:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): ensure a safe place for people to travel. All right that now concludes the reporting out of

[0:36:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): of the elected.

[0:36:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): And let us now go to the town hall session.

[0:36:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): There was one person I noted earlier.

[0:36:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, that has her hand up.

[0:36:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so that is Kathy Bond.

[0:36:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I'm gonna turn to staff to see

[0:36:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): if you can promote that person.

[0:36:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): Looks like you have.

[0:36:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): You'll have to unmute your microphone.

[0:36:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): I am unmuted, can you hear me?

[0:36:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): We can hear you, that's great.

[0:36:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, Kathy, the floor is yours.

[0:36:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): Please be respectful and kind

[0:36:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): and keep the topic of discussion

[0:36:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): within the jurisdiction of the Islands

[0:36:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trust, if you can.

[0:36:43] Voice 6: Okay, I will keep it within the jurisdiction of the Islands Trust,

[0:36:46] Voice 6: and I will be as kind as I can be.

[0:36:50] Voice 6: So I want to introduce myself as a representative of Liskiti Cannabis Corp.

[0:36:57] Voice 6: Now, both of you, I'm pretty sure Peter and Tim both know

[0:37:02] Voice 6: that we have been going after a Health Canada licensing since 2014,

[0:37:08] Voice 6: and 14 um and trying to develop a company on the island um in that process um we have

[0:37:17] Voice 6: now come to a point that we're starting to build on the island um we're just for background we are

[0:37:26] Voice 6: 80 first nations owned it's funded by the by nadc which is the no chalet land development

[0:37:33] Voice 6: Corporation. I believe we're the second cannabis company to be funded by them. And we're funded by

[0:37:40] Voice 6: TAC, which is, we fit in an odd area within BC and we, that both of them cross over each other,

[0:37:49] Voice 6: as do many of the territorial rights in BC crossover Liskiti. And we are the first

[0:37:58] Voice 6: first cannabis company to be funded by TAC ever. And they are using us as a role model of what

[0:38:08] Voice 6: they would like to see further for the First Nations companies. Our company is based on two

[0:38:16] Voice 6: things. We will be starting out as a micro grow, which limits our liability or the amount of money

[0:38:25] Voice 6: put in before we start getting the cash flow in that but we have an end purpose to this company

[0:38:30] Voice 6: our end purpose is twofold one it is to use the facility as a training facility for first

[0:38:38] Voice 6: nations across canada to grow cannabis in the second uh area that we will be using is five

[0:38:50] Voice 6: percent of the gross revenues of this company will be used to uh study um addiction and mental

[0:39:01] Voice 6: health ptsd within the first nation community and how to treat it with cannabis um i was really

[0:39:12] Voice 6: this last week i've i've um you know up to hill tricks of people reporting us for you know not

[0:39:20] Voice 6: having electrical permits which i did not realize i had always been told that i don't need electrical

[0:39:27] Voice 6: permit on the island um i was informed this week that that was incorrect which was uh you know

[0:39:34] Voice 6: wholly um fixed right away we're not trying to do anything outside of the boundaries we just

[0:39:39] Voice 6: didn't want to use any money that we can use to develop this in government stuff but in my

[0:39:47] Voice 6: conversation uh with the uh warren dingham um he informed me that the language i was using

[0:39:57] Voice 6: was racist um the language i was using was uh the term grandfathered in because he's telling me that

[0:40:07] Voice 6: he will be the one to decide although i have a letter from islands trust stating that when we

[0:40:13] Voice 6: We applied for this license originally that our land use was the correct land use for cannabis growing.

[0:40:24] Voice 6: We then covered it in a meeting in 2018, I believe, that those exact terminology grandfathered in was stated that this medical facility was grandfathered in, that you guys could not change the rules.

[0:40:42] Voice 6: rules. His response was, I will be the judge of that. So in saying this, I would like two

[0:40:51] Voice 6: things from the Islands Trust. I would first of all like to know, because all the First

[0:40:59] Voice 6: Nations are talking to a few people of this, we all have grandfathers and our whole fight

[0:41:04] Voice 6: is uh in colonialism is that they took away what our grandfathers did so i don't know where

[0:41:16] Voice 6: grandfather din came from he talked about the slaves in the south um i would like a more

[0:41:24] Voice 6: extensive uh thing of whether that be a proper term or improper term to be used i would like

[0:41:36] Voice 6: you to educate your constituents so that they don't go away feeling that they're being called

[0:41:42] Voice 6: a racist because it was very disconcerting and i would like the islands trust to once again

[0:41:50] Voice 6: restate that they are aware of this facility we are about a million dollars into it

[0:41:59] Voice 6: and to be threatened well i guess it's not threatened to be told that i will be this

[0:42:06] Voice 6: that deciding thing uh was a little disconcerting to me and that is the end of my comments

[0:42:18] Voice 6: i would like comments from both the trustees on this if i could if that is permissible to ask

[0:42:26] Voice 6: um

[0:42:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): well um it's permissible to ask they may or may not be comfortable in answering

[0:42:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): that question because it may be that their understanding of the term grandfather which

[0:42:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): is i would say is not the correct term legal non-conforming is uh typically the phrase that

[0:42:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): is used in all governments to respect that um and there's lots of misunderstandings around

[0:42:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): around grandfathering.

[0:42:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): But anyway, trustees,

[0:42:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): do you want to respond in some fashion?

[0:42:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): Or we'll just take that for information.

[0:43:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): You could obviously provide some direction.

[0:43:02] Trustee Johnston: Sorry, I'll respond.

[0:43:05] Trustee Johnston: And I actually don't know the details

[0:43:08] Trustee Johnston: and grandfathering is a common term

[0:43:12] Trustee Johnston: and it probably is commonly misunderstood.

[0:43:15] Trustee Johnston: And I agree with what the chair says

[0:43:17] Trustee Johnston: about legal nonconforming.

[0:43:20] Trustee Johnston: When the rules change,

[0:43:22] Trustee Johnston: If you've been doing something that's legal, by and large, you can keep doing it.

[0:43:27] Trustee Johnston: It becomes legal, although it doesn't conform with the current land use bylaw.

[0:43:35] Trustee Johnston: From what I understand of this, and I didn't-

[0:43:38] Trustee Johnston: Yeah,

[0:43:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): your voice fades out there, Peter.

[0:43:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): You have to speak directly.

[0:43:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[0:43:42] Trustee Johnston: What I understand of this, and I don't know most of the details, or I didn't know most

[0:43:46] Trustee Johnston: of the details, and I just heard them.

[0:43:48] Trustee Johnston: what i understand warren to be saying is that whatever the situation is he will decide whether

[0:43:57] Trustee Johnston: he's comfortable with it and his recommendation he will make to the local trust committee

[0:44:03] Trustee Johnston: about that whether any at all uh and and in fact whatever happens if warren is unhappy and thinks

[0:44:11] Trustee Johnston: that warren isn't the decider except about that the eventually it'll be the local trust committee

[0:44:17] Trustee Johnston: and if it does proceed it will be the courts that decide if it's a dispute so that's that's all i

[0:44:24] Trustee Johnston: can say and i hope it doesn't come to that uh it's a nasty and expensive process but i i don't i

[0:44:32] Trustee Johnston: don't understand that how grandfathers could be well some grandfathers are racist but the term

[0:44:38] Trustee Johnston: grandfathering i don't see as racist but i that's it that's all i can think of right now thanks

[0:44:43] Trustee Johnston: yeah

[0:44:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): there's some complexity around that for sure trustee peterson did you have anything to add

[0:44:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah

[0:44:53] Voice 11: um i just i would just agree that i i have heard the term grandfathered um calmly i understand

[0:45:00] Voice 11: that you know we use legal uh non-conforming it's a more official term um it wasn't my

[0:45:07] Voice 11: i hadn't been aware that there was perhaps racist racist uh connotations to the term and

[0:45:15] Voice 11: until i heard uh so from from uh kathy bond there um in terms of the the the bylaw um

[0:45:25] Voice 11: uh the bylaw enforcement process there um you know trustee johnson's right the bylaw officer

[0:45:31] Voice 11: can make a determination make a recommendation to the local press committee who makes a decision

[0:45:36] Voice 11: about whether this is something that goes to litigation or not and in fact the executive

[0:45:42] Voice 11: executive committee makes the final decision on whether to proceed with litigation but um I I mean

[0:45:51] Voice 11: my feeling is at this point I mean this has been a known legal non-conforming for a number of years

[0:45:57] Voice 11: and and um and uh you know I we've never I wasn't on the local trust committee at the time that the

[0:46:08] Voice 11: uh that the project was first brought to the local trust committee's uh attention and and i

[0:46:14] Voice 11: i'm aware that a letter of support was written about that time you know a number of years ago now

[0:46:20] Voice 11: um and uh i don't see a sudden uh sea change that would uh uh lead the local trust committee to um

[0:46:31] Voice 11: to make some sort of stand about a known long-term legal non-performing status and and somehow try

[0:46:38] Voice 11: Brian, and changed the course of that.

[0:46:42] Voice 11: So I don't know if that gives you any comfort,

[0:46:45] Voice 11: but that's basically my understanding

[0:46:48] Voice 11: and of the situation where we're at.

[0:46:51] Voice 11: And thanks for coming today.

[0:46:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, thank you, everybody.

[0:46:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): I just took the moment there to actually do,

[0:47:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): and not everything you read on the internet

[0:47:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): is useful or factual, just for reference,

[0:47:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): but I had not heard that term before about racism,

[0:47:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): But I'll just quote here from the York Daily Record.

[0:47:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): The phrase grandfathered is not neutral and instead points to a systemic racist attempt to keep freed slaves from voting, coloreds from buying houses, blacks from marrying whites, and African-Americans from exercising their freedoms.

[0:47:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): And this is the important part.

[0:47:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): beginning with Louisiana in 1898, states passed laws stating that unless one's grandfather was

[0:47:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): eligible, then one was not. These laws quickly spread and were not struck down until 1915

[0:47:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): Supreme Court ruling in the US. I won't believe that any further, but there is some context to

[0:47:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): that and that's uh informative so kathy bond thank you for enlightening us on this and and and and

[0:48:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): and indeed bringing that message from our bylaw enforcement officer who uh i would say that

[0:48:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): perhaps i had i was told that in the past but uh hadn't recalled that at this moment but there's

[0:48:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): lots to learn i as we advance through providing equity in our communities about behaviors and

[0:48:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): and language that we need to adjust

[0:48:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): in order to be less offensive.

[0:48:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): So that's interesting.

[0:48:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): But yeah, I'm just, of course,

[0:48:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): Kathy's underlying question there is about opportunity

[0:48:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): to provide information to the community on that,

[0:48:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): on the notion of legal non-conforming.

[0:48:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I just would flag and trying to be careful,

[0:48:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): in fact, in what I say, because I will recognize that indeed the rules, regulations, laws,

[0:49:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): legislation, many, many tools and ways of conducting business and law in Canada and

[0:49:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): and British Columbia on Leskete never had any consent

[0:49:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): or collaboration of any description

[0:49:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): with First Nations people whom this land

[0:49:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): and these lands are their territory.

[0:49:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so there is as yet in the legislative mechanism

[0:49:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): that we work within no ability to resolve that,

[0:49:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Although we are at the Honest Trust certainly committed to doing what we can to collaborate and work with First Nations and recognize that longstanding history.

[0:49:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): But certainly the notion about legal nonconforming is if something was never legal in the construct of our legislation, then it is still not legal.

[0:50:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): If it was legal at one time, again, in the construct of our legislation, and the bylaw changes, then it still remains legal.

[0:50:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): And that is well understood by many. And maybe I'll just turn to Heather, Regional Planning Manager of Cower, if we actually have some document or documentation on that concept that is readily available.

[0:50:36] Voice 7: I'm not sure we have it readily available.

[0:50:38] Voice 7: I know the basic concept of it is that we would ask a property owner to demonstrate, you know, past legal viability.

[0:50:49] Voice 7: But no, I don't have anything off the top of my head.

[0:50:53] Voice 7: We could look and try to find something if you'd like.

[0:50:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[0:51:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I'll thank the speaker.

[0:51:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): Hopefully that's helped.

[0:51:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): and I wish you have a success with your enterprise there.

[0:51:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I really appreciate you bringing the matters

[0:51:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): to our attention.

[0:51:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Peterson.

[0:51:17] Voice 11: Yeah, thank you, Chair.

[0:51:18] Voice 11: Just before we go on,

[0:51:20] Voice 11: I see there's still a couple more people in the attendees

[0:51:23] Voice 11: and just on the off chance

[0:51:26] Voice 11: that they might want to speak to us,

[0:51:27] Voice 11: but maybe aren't aware of how to raise their hands.

[0:51:30] Voice 11: Could you just run over that process again for them, please?

[0:51:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): I certainly can.

[0:51:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so there's, if you're joining us by via computer and by the Zoom webinar, you could, there's a button that you can see at the bottom of your screen, you may have to move your mouse to the bottom of the screen.

[0:51:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): And there's a little digital, it says raise your hand, and you can click on that. If you're joining us by phone, and I see that one person has joined us by phone, you can raise your hand by clicking star nine on your keypad.

[0:52:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): and then once we promote you to be a speaker then you have to press star six to unmute yourself

[0:52:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): so hopefully that helps and of course you can always email us or write to us or speak to your

[0:52:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): local trustees um if you wish but uh this is the town hall and it's an opportunity to address the

[0:52:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): local trust committee uh regarding matters within our jurisdiction so i'm not seeing any hands

[0:52:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's popping up so thank you for joining us and listening in today and i'm going to continue on

[0:52:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): with the agenda oh i see the phone has number one has come up with a hand up so uh

[0:52:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): director car or manager regional planning manager car can you promote that person i see you have and

[0:52:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): so now this person on the phone will have to press the button star six to unmute yourself i don't

[0:52:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): believe we we don't have the ability to unmute you there you are so you should be able to be

[0:53:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): heard now hello um

[0:53:11] Voice 4: hello the three of you this is tom weiner thank you for making me this

[0:53:16] Voice 4: opportunity i want to comment on this grandfather thing i i don't think it's up to us to adopt the

[0:53:24] Voice 4: definition of grandfather that they have in louisiana in the southern united states in the

[0:53:29] Voice 4: the 1800s. This is Canada. Grandfather means grandfather. It has nothing to do with slavery

[0:53:35] Voice 4: or keeping blacks from voting. That's an aside. I want to comment on the fees bylaw.

[0:53:46] Voice 4: As I understand it, it's an average of all of the fees in all the islands. They've averaged it out

[0:53:54] Voice 4: and they've come up with a standardized fee. But the average of one to ten is five. And I'm pretty

[0:54:01] Voice 4: pretty sure that the Mesquite Island has the much cheaper process fees and costs than Salt

[0:54:11] Voice 4: Spring.

[0:54:12] Voice 4: And it doesn't seem right that our costs should go up and Salt Spring's should go down.

[0:54:18] Voice 4: Also I noticed in the fees by-law that they've introduced fees for development permit areas

[0:54:25] Voice 4: and there's just absolutely no support on Mesquite for development permit areas.

[0:54:32] Voice 4: areas. And I also think that our fees should reflect the lower costs that we have. I'm sure

[0:54:39] Voice 4: they're lower. Maybe

[0:54:40] Voice 4: the staff can establish that. Also, I'm objecting to this move towards

[0:54:48] Voice 4: electronic meetings. It just seems like it insulates the local trust committee from the public.

[0:54:56] Voice 4: And we have a near unanimous outcry from the public on Mesquite Island against electronic

[0:55:04] Voice 4: electronic meetings. Even people who don't attend the meetings don't like the idea of

[0:55:08] Voice 4: electronic meetings. I think you guys are making a mistake moving to all electronic

[0:55:14] Voice 4: meetings like you are. Also, the idea that the person has to send in their presentation

[0:55:20] Voice 4: to the local trust committee and have it pre-approved, or they do it. That's the kind of thing they

[0:55:26] Voice 4: do in a dictatorship, where only the accepted rhetoric is allowed at public meetings. And

[0:55:32] Voice 4: And that really plays into the hands of the rising populist sentiment

[0:55:36] Voice 4: that thinks that the governments are becoming dictatorial.

[0:55:39] Voice 4: I really think that that's not something, that's not a place you want to go.

[0:55:43] Voice 4: You can always cut a speaker off if what they're saying is inappropriate.

[0:55:47] Voice 4: You have the power to do that.

[0:55:57] Voice 4: This is about the sheep now and the term feral and the term exotic.

[0:56:02] Voice 4: In the current iteration of the OCP, the Ministry of Agriculture held an interdepartmental meeting concerning the domestic sheep on Leskeetee Island.

[0:56:13] Voice 4: Here's a summary of the conclusions of that interdepartmental meeting.

[0:56:18] Voice 4: The sheep on Leskeetee are domestic livestock.

[0:56:22] Voice 4: Essentially, they are escaped domestic sheep.

[0:56:25] Voice 4: For a species to be labeled feral, they must be specifically designated as feral, such as feral pigs.

[0:56:36] Voice 4: The sheep on Luskete Island have not been so designated, and they are not feral.

[0:56:43] Voice 4: They are, as I said before, domestic.

[0:56:47] Voice 4: They are livestock, domestic sheep.

[0:56:52] Voice 4: Exotic is another term that the Ministry of Agriculture uses.

[0:56:57] Voice 4: uses. They use it to designate specific species only. It's not used indiscriminately. Alligators,

[0:57:07] Voice 4: pit vipers, those are exotic species. The sheep on Laskete have not been so designated and thus

[0:57:14] Voice 4: are not considered to be exotic. So they are neither feral, this is the Ministry of Agriculture's

[0:57:23] Voice 4: opinion, they are neither feral nor are they exotic. And they should not be so labeled

[0:57:28] Voice 4: the term should not be used in our bylaw.

[0:57:33] Voice 4: Final point, the staff posted the change

[0:57:45] Voice 4: from an in-person meeting at 11 a.m.

[0:57:48] Voice 4: to an electronic meeting at 10 a.m.

[0:57:51] Voice 4: before the LLTC had voted on the change, the NRWM.

[0:57:59] Voice 4: The change was three working days.

[0:58:02] Voice 4: It was announced on the trust webpage

[0:58:10] Voice 4: page three working days prior to the rescheduled meeting local trust committee voted to authorize

[0:58:18] Voice 4: the change two working days prior to the meeting so my question is because it's required i believe

[0:58:25] Voice 4: five working days notification for this sort of thing is this meeting even lawful was it lawfully

[0:58:33] Voice 4: convened with proper prior announcement of five working days to make the public aware of what the

[0:58:40] Voice 4: changes. And that isn't a question. That's not rhetorical. That's unfinished. Thank you. Hello?

[0:58:52] Trustee Johnston: Peter, you're muted or

[0:58:54] Voice 3: appear to be muted.

[0:58:57] Voice 3: Pardon? I can't hear you.

[0:59:01] Trustee Johnston: Tom, I see Chair Luck I'm speaking, but I don't hear any noise from him.

[0:59:06] Voice 3: I don't hear anything either.

[0:59:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): Everyone, my microphone decides to mute itself and I look down and I've got a little red light.

[0:59:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I think I'm back online now.

[0:59:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): You are.

[0:59:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. Am I on?

[0:59:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): yes you are but i think you said you had concluded and you were looking yeah

[0:59:28] Voice 4: but i concluded with a

[0:59:29] Voice 4: question

[0:59:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): yes you concluded with a question that asked um whether or not this meeting was uh being

[0:59:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): conducted lawfully with the adequate amount

[0:59:39] Voice 4: lawfully convened

[0:59:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): yes so uh i will ask a director

[0:59:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): to uh uh advise us on i think what you said was that that was notified five days in advance

[0:59:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): No,

[0:59:53] Voice 4: no, no. I was notified three days in advance before the local trust committee voted on the change.

[1:00:00] Voice 4: they voted on the change two days in advance uh

[1:00:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah voting on the change is one thing but uh

[1:00:08] Voice 3: well regional planning manager

[1:00:10] Voice 3: tom

[1:00:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): can i get an answer from the regional planning manager

[1:00:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): please thank you yeah

[1:00:18] Voice 7: unfortunately i mean it comes from our meeting procedures by law

[1:00:21] Voice 7: you know how far notification has to be done i'm not sure if we're talking about

[1:00:26] Voice 7: about the bylaw that got adopted that allows for electronic meetings, or if you're talking about

[1:00:34] Voice 7: a regular notification period for meetings in general?

[1:00:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think about this meeting where we

[1:00:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): changed the time from nine till 10. Oh,

[1:00:45] Voice 4: I see. In-person meeting. That's the important part.

[1:00:50] Voice 4: We've changed from an in-person meeting.

[1:00:52] Voice 7: Right. To an electronic meeting. Right. And what was

[1:00:55] Voice 7: required for that was the bylaw the meeting procedures bylaw had to be adopted and and it

[1:01:02] Voice 7: has been adopted prior to this meeting there isn't a time frame that i'm aware of that between that

[1:01:10] Voice 7: adoption and the meeting so i'm not i'm not sure i

[1:01:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): think the public notice i think is what he's

[1:01:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): saying that there was notice that the meeting would be at nine o'clock and it was changed

[1:01:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): changed to 10 o'clock on the same day no

[1:01:24] Voice 4: it's going to be at 11 it's changed to 10. okay and

[1:01:28] Voice 7: I am not aware of it I'm

[1:01:30] Voice 7: not aware of that and

[1:01:31] Voice 4: and it was changed from an in-person to electronic

[1:01:36] Voice 4: right and

[1:01:36] Voice 7: I'm not aware of a notification period that's required by any of our bylaws or legislation

[1:01:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay um we are meeting um and we will continue to do so um if um but

[1:01:55] Voice 4: could I ask for clarification

[1:01:56] Voice 4: notification did I just hear that there is no requirement for prior uh whatever it is for

[1:02:06] Voice 4: telling the public prior to a meeting there's

[1:02:10] Voice 7: no time frame by which we have to notify there's

[1:02:15] Voice 7: yeah

[1:02:15] Voice 4: I mean five

[1:02:16] Voice 7: days in

[1:02:17] Voice 4: advance or three days in advance I'm

[1:02:20] Voice 7: not aware of that time frame

[1:02:22] Voice 7: or where that time frame would come from okay

[1:02:28] Voice 4: there is no requirement for pre

[1:02:31] Voice 4: announcing a public meeting?

[1:02:36] Voice 7: I would have to look at the language

[1:02:38] Voice 7: and the meeting procedures by law.

[1:02:39] Voice 7: I'm sure there's some sort of notification,

[1:02:41] Voice 7: but there's no timeframe related to it.

[1:02:44] Voice 7: There's no specific number of hours or days

[1:02:47] Voice 7: that we have to post that notification.

[1:02:50] Voice 4: Boy, that's something that should be changed.

[1:02:52] Voice 4: The public should be informed

[1:02:53] Voice 4: when there's going to be a meeting.

[1:02:56] Voice 4: Well,

[1:02:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): we do have policy around the timing

[1:03:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we do adhere to that under normal circumstances.

[1:03:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): And these are trying times of which the rules that have been provided

[1:03:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): by the province with respect to holding meetings have changed,

[1:03:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we're doing the best we can to adopt to that.

[1:03:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): I don't know what else to say about that.

[1:03:27] Voice 4: Pretty bad, all I have to say.

[1:03:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[1:03:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[1:03:34] Voice 4: Thank you for giving me a forum.

[1:03:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you for calling in. Peter Johnson and then

[1:03:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Tim Peterson.

[1:03:41] Trustee Johnston: Yeah, that discussion can go on for a long time and involve all kinds of arcana.

[1:03:47] Trustee Johnston: The meeting has been scheduled for a long, long time. And I think anybody who missed the meeting

[1:03:55] Trustee Johnston: because they turned up at the health center at 11 has room for complaint about failure to notice,

[1:04:00] Trustee Johnston: but people who are attending the meeting really don't, and they can complain, of course.

[1:04:05] Trustee Johnston: Tom, would you please send us that information or a link to that information about the interdepartmental meeting and sheep?

[1:04:13] Trustee Johnston: I'd like to read that.

[1:04:16] Voice 4: I can phone you up and reiterate it for you.

[1:04:18] Voice 4: No,

[1:04:18] Trustee Johnston: I would like to not hear what you tell me it says.

[1:04:21] Trustee Johnston: I'd like to actually see what it says.

[1:04:24] Voice 4: Well, maybe you should do some research on your own, Peter.

[1:04:27] Voice 4: I can phone you up and tell you.

[1:04:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you.

[1:04:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): p tim peterson yeah

[1:04:37] Voice 11: thank you chair um i just wanted to say that i mean i do understand uh

[1:04:43] Voice 11: that when we move a meeting from 11 to an earlier time there is the chance that um some folks might

[1:04:52] Voice 11: not catch that and expect to be joining the meeting at the beginning at 11 o'clock and in

[1:04:58] Voice 11: fact being an hour into it so i i do think there's something there that um that we should

[1:05:05] Voice 11: be uh cognizant of just in in terms of unintentionally creating confusion about our

[1:05:11] Voice 11: meeting time and that's all i have to say uh

[1:05:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): you're absolutely right about that let's not do

[1:05:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): that okay um i think that concludes our speakers from the audience and thank you everyone for

[1:05:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): joining us today um let us get on with our meeting agenda here we now have minutes um local trust

[1:05:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trust Committee minutes dated October 4th. They are here for adoption. Are there any corrections

[1:05:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): necessary for those minutes? All right, then I'm going to then adopt the minutes of October

[1:05:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): the 4th by General Kirsten. Sorry,

[1:05:51] Trustee Johnston: I'm a little late, but I do have some questions about it.

[1:05:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): Over to you then, sir.

[1:05:58] Trustee Johnston: Thank you. I'm having some difficulty locating them on my iPad here.

[1:06:05] Trustee Johnston: uh as part of the report yeah

[1:06:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): you'll have to speak directly to the microphone i

[1:06:11] Trustee Johnston: without my

[1:06:13] Trustee Johnston: ipad between me and the microphone can you hear me now yes

[1:06:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay

[1:06:18] Trustee Johnston: uh as part of the

[1:06:24] Trustee Johnston: no is the answer

[1:06:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): to you have to speak directly to it i

[1:06:30] Trustee Johnston: don't exactly know where it is

[1:06:32] Trustee Johnston: oh

[1:06:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): well the way you're looking at it right now is directly to it when you turn your head to the

[1:06:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): the left or right it's not directly to it

[1:06:40] Trustee Johnston: okay as part of the chair's report it refers to the

[1:06:44] Trustee Johnston: vancouver island public library in fact it's the vancouver island regional library um and there's

[1:06:53] Trustee Johnston: one other thing i'll as part of the i should have sent these uh by email to at least uh heather

[1:07:08] Trustee Johnston: But I apologize for not doing it.

[1:07:17] Trustee Johnston: It's on page, oh God, what page is it?

[1:07:24] Trustee Johnston: Page nine.

[1:07:26] Trustee Johnston: The OCP will need to go to the Provincial Ministry of Nursing Affairs.

[1:07:31] Trustee Johnston: And my note here says the OCP is about what the community wants.

[1:07:37] Trustee Johnston: Oh, this is, yeah.

[1:07:44] Trustee Johnston: The minutes say

[1:07:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): that we can't.

[1:07:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, you're going to really have to try to speak.

[1:07:49] Trustee Johnston: The minutes say that we can't have anything in the OCP that the ministry won't approve.

[1:07:56] Trustee Johnston: And I want to say that we need to have in the OCP what the community wants.

[1:08:03] Trustee Johnston: And if the ministry doesn't approve it, then we need to deal with that or accept that.

[1:08:08] Trustee Johnston: that. But I don't think we should be tailoring our official community plan to curry the favor of

[1:08:16] Trustee Johnston: the ministry.

[1:08:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): You know, I don't think the way you've characterized that,

[1:08:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): currying the favor of the ministry, is the intention. Not having the OCP rejected out of

[1:08:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): hand because it contains things within it that are not within our legislation is probably in

[1:08:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): in our best interest, because, of course, if we put something in there and then it was deemed

[1:08:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): not appropriate, it could completely disrupt the entire process where we would have to go back to

[1:08:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): public hearing. If it was considered that what was not acceptable to the province because of

[1:09:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): the legislation that we have, then it would change the intent and would disrupt the entire

[1:09:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): We'd have to start again. And that, I think, so it's in our best interest to ensure that anything that is in the OCP is within our legislative ability to do. And I think that's the intention. And maybe I'll just ask Regional Planning Manager Cowher to comment on that clause.

[1:09:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): But I'm also having a hard time finding where that is on page nine, nine of the minutes or page nine of the agenda.

[1:09:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): And your voice fades away and it's almost impossible.

[1:09:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): So can you...

[1:09:57] Trustee Johnston: The fourth bullet down on page nine.

[1:10:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): There's no regulatory requirement for the public to speak at a meeting only to see and hear the proceedings.

[1:10:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's what I'm seeing on page nine.

[1:10:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): And this is the minutes

[1:10:11] Trustee Johnston: of October the 4th.

[1:10:13] Trustee Johnston: it's page eight

[1:10:14] Trustee Johnston: ah

[1:10:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'm

[1:10:17] Trustee Johnston: sorry um

[1:10:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): no i'm not seeing that there either unless it's eight of the agenda

[1:10:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'll go back to that uh fourth bullet one two three four aha yes so that's on page

[1:10:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): eight of the agenda page five of the minutes and the

[1:10:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): fourth bullet okay i work from the agenda

[1:10:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): that package yeah

[1:10:42] Voice 9: yeah we

[1:10:44] Trustee Johnston: and we we have quite a number of things in our ocp that are not within

[1:10:49] Trustee Johnston: our jurisdiction they're the wishes of the community uh

[1:10:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): director uh sorry regional planning

[1:10:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): manager cowher i'm going to go to you for comment on that concept and then i'll go to trustee

[1:11:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): peterson um i

[1:11:02] Voice 7: i suspect that we'll actually talk about this later on in the agenda um this is just

[1:11:08] Voice 7: the minutes and so whatever was said is what we're going to capture um whether there's agreement

[1:11:15] Voice 7: about it or not thank

[1:11:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): you um indeed the facts of it may be different than what was said at the

[1:11:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): meeting really appreciate that clarity sometimes i get lost on the subtleties of it uh trustee

[1:11:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): peterson yeah

[1:11:31] Voice 11: my point was what heather just said this is the minutes if we're going to uh

[1:11:35] Voice 11: amend the minutes. Let's amend the minutes. If we're going to discuss this issue, let's discuss

[1:11:39] Voice 11: it, but not with inside the minutes section. Thank you.

[1:11:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you very much. All right. So

[1:11:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): with respect to the minutes then, can I adopt by general consent those minutes? Yes, I'm seeing

[1:11:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): nods all around. So then we will adopt the minutes as presented by general consent. Next item is

[1:12:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): is Local Trust Committee Special Meeting Minutes of January the 20th. They are also here for

[1:12:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): adoption. Are there any changes to those minutes? And that's on page 14 of your agenda, 14 to 18

[1:12:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): of the agenda. That's the big number at the bottoms. And I'd say that for my own benefit

[1:12:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): than anybody else's. Anything on those minutes? No? All right, then. So then I'm going to adopt

[1:12:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): dropped the minutes of January the 20th

[1:12:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): by general consent as presented.

[1:12:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): So for reporting, we have a section 26 resolutions

[1:12:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): about meeting report dated January the 31st,

[1:12:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): and that's on page 19 of our agenda.

[1:12:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): And that's just a record of decisions

[1:12:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): that were made outside of a meeting.

[1:12:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): And one of them was to hold an electronic meeting

[1:12:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): for consideration of a new meeting procedures bylaw.

[1:12:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): and that was on january the 13th uh all right so that's for information advisory planning commission

[1:13:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): uh minutes on page 20 um want to uh acknowledge and thank all of those folks these minutes from

[1:13:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): july 27 2020 um i guess it took them the advisory planning commission has to meet to adopt the

[1:13:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): minutes and then they present them to us for information and so that's why this has taken so

[1:13:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): very long because obviously Susan Morrison has since resigned and maybe others have from that

[1:13:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): committee. And I'm just going to take this moment to acknowledge the work that Susan Morrison

[1:13:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): contributed on the Advisory Planning Commission after having an elected representative chose to

[1:13:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): continue on working in an advisory fashion. So appreciate that. So we'll just receive those

[1:13:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): minutes for information unless there's any question about them that may or may not be

[1:13:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): be answerable. I'm not seeing anything. So we'll just receive

[1:13:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): that. So now we get to item six, section six and 6.1 on page 25

[1:13:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): of the agenda is the follow up action list dated January the

[1:14:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): 31st. And I'll just briefly ask staff if that appears to be up

[1:14:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): to date and and whether or not we just go to questions. It's up

[1:14:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): to date. Okay, so trustees, do you have any questions on the

[1:14:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): a follow-up action list.

[1:14:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): And if we can cite the date and number of those items,

[1:14:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): that would be helpful.

[1:14:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Peterson.

[1:14:28] Voice 11: Yeah, thank you, Chair.

[1:14:31] Voice 11: I'm just wondering if a regional planning manager

[1:14:35] Voice 11: has any update on the activity number one there.

[1:14:39] Voice 11: I know it's William Shelbaugh's responsibility under there.

[1:14:42] Voice 11: I'm just wondering if we've had any indication

[1:14:45] Voice 11: of whether that's moving forward in a way

[1:14:48] Voice 11: that um you could tell us about i

[1:14:52] Voice 7: don't sorry i have touched base with william but i haven't uh

[1:14:55] Voice 7: haven't heard from him yet okay

[1:14:58] Voice 11: that's that's fine i understand um and

[1:15:06] Voice 10: then where the heck did it go

[1:15:10] Voice 10: uh it is item num sorry

[1:15:19] Voice 11: peter if you've got something go ahead and while i try and find

[1:15:23] Voice 11: and the one I was looking for.

[1:15:25] Voice 11: Christy Johnson, do you have anything?

[1:15:27] Voice 11: I

[1:15:27] Trustee Johnston: was going to ask, I think the report

[1:15:29] Trustee Johnston: on the French model print law project is really old.

[1:15:34] Trustee Johnston: And I wondered if there was an update.

[1:15:37] Trustee Johnston: Could we ask?

[1:15:38] Trustee Johnston: I mean, I remember we had William Cohen gave us an update

[1:15:43] Trustee Johnston: not long ago, but I don't really remember anything about it.

[1:15:46] Trustee Johnston: I don't remember when it was.

[1:15:49] Trustee Johnston: Was it our October meeting or the one before that?

[1:15:52] Trustee Johnston: that?

[1:15:55] Voice 9: April, I think.

[1:15:57] Trustee Johnston: My only other question was from April the 26th about the meetings with First

[1:16:08] Trustee Johnston: Nations, but that's on the agenda later.

[1:16:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. You know, I'll just make a remark, Peter, I just

[1:16:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): noticing that even though you were speaking directly to the microphone, your voice was fading

[1:16:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): in and out, and even maybe sounded a little digitized. So maybe that is a symptom of the

[1:16:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): the bandwidth issues that has been met mark because of course he does an empirical test of

[1:16:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): bandwidth and and that's one of the factors that maybe is affected but anyway uh trustee peterson

[1:16:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): over to you for your question yeah

[1:16:42] Voice 11: i found it here on uh page uh 28 uh under october 4th 2021

[1:16:49] Voice 11: it's number four the staff review uh flimrod's comments and get simple comments and crown lands

[1:16:56] Voice 11: and reconciliation regarding the ocp bylaw number 98 which was brought up in the minutes um

[1:17:03] Voice 11: so i was checking back in on um some of the information uh available in this agenda on that

[1:17:13] Voice 11: and um one of the things i noted was that uh that the in in the correspondence that um

[1:17:21] Voice 11: They've been a conversation with Director Marler about this, and because I know that these sections that are being recommended to be removed are near and dear to the hearts of the people from the LCAOCP steering committee that did all that wonderful work to get us here.

[1:17:45] Voice 11: i'm wondering if we can um since we don't have anything specific coming to us from flinro on

[1:17:51] Voice 11: these um their objections and and yet we're still hearing from um local people that they they want

[1:18:02] Voice 11: us to to retain these sections i'm wondering if we could ask um director marler to attend our next

[1:18:08] Voice 11: and maybe walk us through this.

[1:18:11] Voice 11: I just, before we agree to strike these sections,

[1:18:16] Voice 11: I just feel like we owe it to the public

[1:18:18] Voice 11: to explain really well in as much depth as we can,

[1:18:24] Voice 11: why that is the case.

[1:18:26] Voice 11: And so that's my thoughts on this.

[1:18:30] Voice 11: And I just wanted to share that.

[1:18:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, Trustee Peterson.

[1:18:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): Director Coward, do you have any remarks there about,

[1:18:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): I do know there's lots of conversations that are happening in the background

[1:18:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): with Flynn Row in respect to reconciliation activities.

[1:18:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): Do you have anything to add there or do you need a motion to direct you to

[1:18:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): bring Director Mahler or others to our meeting?

[1:19:00] Voice 7: I don't necessarily need a motion. I can, I can make a request.

[1:19:05] Voice 7: okay and and as I understand it the question that you want him to answer is um is why we would

[1:19:15] Voice 7: recommend that you keep those in or what what he believes Flynn words or the province's response

[1:19:20] Voice 7: would be okay

[1:19:22] Voice 11: so there's there's two there's two bits of it there's the reconciliation bit and then

[1:19:26] Voice 11: there's the parts about the crown land that that Flynn row has has objected to but not really

[1:19:31] Voice 11: explained in a way that I think enables us to explain to the community what the objections

[1:19:37] Voice 11: and what the specific objections are about. And so that's the part that the correspondence said

[1:19:44] Voice 11: that was directed to Director Marler had spoken to that person. And so I was just hoping that he's

[1:19:52] Voice 11: got some insight maybe he could share with us. As I say, I just before we agree that we're going

[1:19:58] Voice 11: to strike them from the ocp i want us to have as much of an explanation as as why that needs

[1:20:04] Voice 11: to happen before we just go ahead and do that thank you that

[1:20:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): clear direct uh regional planning

[1:20:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): manager car i don't know why i want to call you director maybe there's a promotion in your future

[1:20:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): um and i don't know

[1:20:21] Trustee Johnston: anything about it

[1:20:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): just

[1:20:23] Trustee Johnston: t johnson i want to uh thank tim for putting

[1:20:27] Trustee Johnston: that so well my uh i overstated that in curry favor and i apologize for that

[1:20:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's all right um you know it's interesting this is the challenge right is about uh language that

[1:20:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): is um commonly agreed upon and all that sort of stuff you know and it's respectful at all times

[1:20:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): all right let us continue then if there's nothing further from the follow-up action list

[1:20:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): um oh now there was another it might come back to me there was another thought there but it's gone

[1:21:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): on um model fees bylaw update so i'm going to turn that over to regional planning manager

[1:21:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): to assist us with the item at 6.2 page 31 of the agenda yeah

[1:21:24] Voice 7: this is somewhat straightforward um

[1:21:26] Voice 7: the trust council adopted uh this a model fee bylaw as part of a it's a an attachment to one

[1:21:37] Voice 7: of the trust council policies and it was brought to the LTC staff were asked to go away and draft

[1:21:45] Voice 7: a bylaw based on that model bylaw and we have done that you'll see in the staff report that there's a

[1:21:51] Voice 7: comparison table comparing your existing bylaw to the new fees that are being proposed and

[1:22:00] Voice 7: this is this is what we're recommending and I that's kind of straightforward and I will answer

[1:22:06] Voice 7: are any questions that i can all

[1:22:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): right thank you um maybe and it's uh i just recalled what

[1:22:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): the question was i had and it was to do with this actually and maybe just before we launch

[1:22:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): into conversation just to seek some clarity because other trustees might want to know this

[1:22:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): um one of the speakers in town hall talked about objecting to development permits and indeed there

[1:22:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): There are indications that there's a number of new ones there.

[1:22:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): If I'm not mistaken, that opportunity to have development permits exists.

[1:22:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): And of course, we would need bylaws that would support that.

[1:22:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): And how does that conversation work out in the Leskete Island context?

[1:22:53] Voice 7: From my perspective, it's a placeholder.

[1:22:56] Voice 7: You don't have development permits at the moment, but who knows?

[1:23:00] Voice 7: in the future, a future LTC might want to adopt development permits and your fees are available

[1:23:06] Voice 7: to do that if you want to. So

[1:23:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): this creates a place for it so that we don't have to amend the bylaws

[1:23:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): at a later date. The LTC decided that that was a recall. So let me then go to Trustee Johnson

[1:23:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): and then Trustee Peterson. To

[1:23:23] Trustee Johnston: have a fee for it strongly will imply to the public that we intend

[1:23:28] Trustee Johnston: at some point to introduce development permit areas.

[1:23:31] Trustee Johnston: And as Tom said, that there is widespread opposition

[1:23:36] Trustee Johnston: to that as a policy.

[1:23:38] Trustee Johnston: There've been two attempts to do that too.

[1:23:42] Trustee Johnston: I shouldn't say attempts to draft bylaws,

[1:23:46] Trustee Johnston: put forward suggestions for bylaws.

[1:23:48] Trustee Johnston: And both were over a large area.

[1:23:50] Trustee Johnston: I don't remember what the first one was.

[1:23:52] Trustee Johnston: The second one was shoreline protection

[1:23:54] Trustee Johnston: and it was every property on the shoreline

[1:23:57] Trustee Johnston: or that touched the shoreline at a point.

[1:23:59] Trustee Johnston: And there was just a huge swell of opposition.

[1:24:05] Trustee Johnston: The first one was when I was first elected

[1:24:09] Trustee Johnston: and we had a public meeting down at the Arts Centre

[1:24:14] Trustee Johnston: and many, many people came, 50, 60 people,

[1:24:17] Trustee Johnston: and all were opposed to it.

[1:24:20] Trustee Johnston: So, I mean, I think that it is quite possible

[1:24:24] Trustee Johnston: at some time in the future

[1:24:25] Trustee Johnston: that we will want to have a development permit area

[1:24:31] Trustee Johnston: for a small area for something.

[1:24:33] Trustee Johnston: I mean, it's a planning tool.

[1:24:34] Trustee Johnston: I'm told it's a very good planning tool,

[1:24:36] Trustee Johnston: but I really think that when that time comes,

[1:24:41] Trustee Johnston: we should then introduce a fee for that.

[1:24:44] Trustee Johnston: And there is a model bylaw.

[1:24:45] Trustee Johnston: We can get it easily and incorporate it.

[1:24:47] Trustee Johnston: It's a bit of a pain to have to amend the bylaw,

[1:24:52] Trustee Johnston: but I think it's well worth it.

[1:24:54] Trustee Johnston: I think the message it sends, having it in here now, is not one that I want to send.

[1:25:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, thank you. So I'll just ask the planning manager, are there any complications with, say, developing, deleting Table 2 numbers 1 through 8?

[1:25:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): No,

[1:25:17] Voice 7: those could be eliminated without affecting the rest of the bylaw.

[1:25:21] Voice 7: I am noticing that in my version of the package, you don't actually appear to have a copy of the bylaw itself.

[1:25:28] Voice 7: itself. Am I missing something on that?

[1:25:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): Bylaw referrals. You are quite right. We don't actually

[1:25:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): have a copy of the bylaw. We have

[1:25:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): seen it, however, before, if I'm not mistaken. This is

[1:25:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): just the table that you provided us.

[1:25:53] Voice 7: Right. So I think I want to make sure that you have a copy

[1:25:58] Voice 7: of that before you before you make any decisions about it um and i can i can get that and email

[1:26:04] Voice 7: that to you but i just need a couple minutes okay

[1:26:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): well let's defer this then until we've

[1:26:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): been sure that we've seen that and maybe we'll pick this up after the lunch break

[1:26:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): um to give trustees opportunity to be sure um that that what they may or may not be approving

[1:26:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): is indeed what they know to be the document.

[1:26:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so what we're looking for is be given

[1:26:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): first, second, and third reading.

[1:26:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): This is administrative in nature,

[1:26:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): so that's a convenience that we have.

[1:26:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): It then gets forwarded to executive committee

[1:26:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): and then comes back to us for final adoption.

[1:26:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so a motion, I think, might be appropriate,

[1:26:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): although I'm not sure that I totally support it,

[1:26:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): but removing the first eight items

[1:26:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): in table two, if there was a motion

[1:27:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): that a trustee wanted to make, that'd be great.

[1:27:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): But in the meantime, let's just go to trustee Peterson,

[1:27:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): hear from him, and then we'll proceed as we see fit.

[1:27:10] Voice 11: Thank you, chair.

[1:27:11] Voice 11: So just a general comment to start with.

[1:27:15] Voice 11: I want to just reiterate what trustee Johnson said.

[1:27:20] Voice 11: I have heard years of strong opposition

[1:27:24] Voice 11: to development permit areas.

[1:27:25] Voice 11: I have heard zero support locally for them.

[1:27:30] Voice 11: And I've had a number of concerns raised by the words appearing in our agenda, appearing in a draft request for this request for decision.

[1:27:46] Voice 11: And just for clarity, looking at the development variance permits, do they have any relevance?

[1:27:59] Voice 11: If we have no development permit areas, and if not, then we should remove nine.

[1:28:04] Voice 11: to them um in addition uh uh numbers 17 and 18 should probably go if that's our intent to remove

[1:28:17] Voice 11: the development permit um uh references here so

[1:28:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): you're talking about development variance permits

[1:28:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): and maybe so just

[1:28:31] Voice 11: for clarity um for for the public who may be listening in it could we

[1:28:36] Voice 11: hear that uh what's what's what's the difference there so we've got this on record uh

[1:28:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): and indeed

[1:28:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): there is a significant difference so uh planner a regional planning manager car over to you

[1:28:49] Voice 7: yeah a development permit is is as you say um for a development if a property is in a development

[1:28:55] Voice 7: permit area and there are guidelines associated with it and that development has to meet those

[1:29:00] Voice 7: guidelines and so then you would issue a development permit a development variance permit

[1:29:05] Voice 7: is different in the sense that it doesn't have anything

[1:29:09] Voice 7: to do with development permit areas.

[1:29:11] Voice 7: It's only to do with zoning.

[1:29:13] Voice 7: So whatever your setback is, if you don't meet the setback,

[1:29:17] Voice 7: you have to get a development variance permit.

[1:29:19] Voice 7: So they're actually two separate things.

[1:29:22] Voice 7: One has to do with development permit areas

[1:29:24] Voice 7: and variances have to do with the zoning.

[1:29:30] Voice 11: Okay, thank you for that.

[1:29:32] Voice 11: So that also answers the questions that I received

[1:29:34] Voice 11: about items 17 and 18,

[1:29:36] Voice 11: because they're about development variance permits,

[1:29:39] Voice 11: not about development of permit areas.

[1:29:42] Voice 11: So then I would agree that it's, sorry, go ahead.

[1:29:47] Voice 7: Yeah, sorry.

[1:29:48] Voice 7: I think if you are going to remove development permit fees,

[1:29:53] Voice 7: then it actually makes sense to remove 17 and 18,

[1:29:57] Voice 7: because there's an assumption there that...

[1:30:00] Voice 7: that there's still a development permit involved.

[1:30:03] Voice 7: Often we get a combination of development permit

[1:30:06] Voice 7: and development variance permit.

[1:30:08] Voice 7: So those likely, those would not be applicable.

[1:30:11] Voice 11: So 17 and 18 should go,

[1:30:13] Voice 11: nine to 11 can stay because they're a different order.

[1:30:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): And Trustee Peterson,

[1:30:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): you'll have to speak directly to the microphone as well.

[1:30:26] Voice 11: Sorry, yeah, trying to look at notes

[1:30:29] Voice 11: and still be heard can be a challenge here.

[1:30:33] Voice 11: um the question about uh oh i had a general question about our application fees um and

[1:30:44] Voice 11: and a request to ask staff if there's uh if there's um any reporting or numbers we can get

[1:30:52] Voice 11: on the actuals of uh processing developments and for the local low skiddy local trust area

[1:30:59] Voice 11: that was the first question and and are there actuals that we can access and

[1:31:04] Voice 11: make available to the public um as we go through this process yeah

[1:31:12] Voice 7: we could do that okay

[1:31:15] Voice 11: and uh

[1:31:16] Voice 11: the second one was about uh um item 13 uh temporary use permits uh for residential

[1:31:28] Voice 11: commercial uses uh that provide community benefit and um the feedback that i have been getting is

[1:31:36] Voice 11: that if we're um if we're processing something that like this that is providing community benefit

[1:31:43] Voice 11: that the fee of a thousand dollars seems rather high if we are providing community benefit i'm

[1:31:51] Voice 11: I'm aware also that the LTC has the ability to adjust the fees a bit, but we only have so much

[1:32:00] Voice 11: leeway. And if they start at that rate, we only have the ability to reduce it by, well, I believe

[1:32:06] Voice 11: it was 20% or something, right?

[1:32:09] Voice 7: Yeah. If I could just respond to that. You know, there was some

[1:32:14] Voice 7: recognition when this bylaw went out after it had been published and sent to LTCs that that line

[1:32:21] Voice 7: item in particular was problematic um because community benefit is so ill-defined and so um

[1:32:29] Voice 7: most of the ltcs have removed that item and that has that's been not been a problem and we have

[1:32:36] Voice 7: actually ended up recommending it sorry i didn't bring that up so

[1:32:42] Voice 11: i have a question because um

[1:32:47] Voice 11: i i you know having gone through the regional planning committee um with this uh the model

[1:32:52] Voice 11: bylaw a fair bit you know this was discussed a lot about how ltcs can um help enable and

[1:33:03] Voice 11: you know community benefit projects and so my question is based on what you just said like if

[1:33:11] Voice 11: we are if we're removing it then in then in what way are we able to um like doesn't that mean then

[1:33:22] Voice 11: And that a temporary use permit for community benefit would just fall under one of the other categories.

[1:33:30] Voice 11: Like, for example, if it fell under residential, commercial, industrial, which is, you know, a little over double what number 13 is there, number 12.

[1:33:40] Voice 11: Or if, oh, I see there's number 15 community benefit.

[1:33:46] Voice 11: Oh, that's a renewal, right?

[1:33:47] Voice 11: Right. Okay. So that's just, you know, if we remove number 13, then the default is number 12,

[1:33:55] Voice 11: which is even higher. The suggestion was that, you know, the starting line for community benefit

[1:34:03] Voice 11: application processing should be lower than $1,000. So I'm more inclined to leave it in there

[1:34:14] Voice 11: and bring that number down then to remove it

[1:34:17] Voice 11: and then default to the 2150 fee?

[1:34:25] Voice 7: Well, then I think you are back to that 20% question.

[1:34:31] Voice 7: As I understand it, executive committee's policy

[1:34:34] Voice 7: is that there's not a change in the fees more than 20%,

[1:34:39] Voice 7: but it is up to the executive committee

[1:34:42] Voice 7: or trust counsel to approve that or not.

[1:34:47] Voice 7: So whatever bylaw you end up sending to them,

[1:34:49] Voice 7: they've got to look at it and decide whether

[1:34:51] Voice 9: or not they'll accept it uh trustee johnson

[1:35:01] Voice 9: i

[1:35:02] Trustee Johnston: think we need to have a thorough discussion on on the actual bylaw rather than based on this

[1:35:08] Trustee Johnston: table and i i i don't see how we could do it after lunch i don't think that's enough time for us to

[1:35:15] Trustee Johnston: look at the bylaw and consider it and make a we could have a beginning discussion perhaps

[1:35:21] Trustee Johnston: perhaps, but I think we're going to have to defer this to some other meeting. I'd be willing to

[1:35:28] Trustee Johnston: hold a special meeting for that purpose.

[1:35:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, so that's a good question. However,

[1:35:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): correct me if I'm wrong, RPM, the bylaw isn't any different than it has been historically.

[1:35:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's just the table of fees is changing. So I don't think there's a plan at this time

[1:35:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): help me out here uh regional planning manager there's not a plan it's time to actually

[1:35:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): wholesale review that particular bylaw in context of the language um because that would become a

[1:36:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): project um and um would affect what other other activities would have to be take done in account

[1:36:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): with um other activities that we're undertaking uh rpm cower any comment there

[1:36:20] Voice 7: that's right i mean

[1:36:22] Voice 7: the table is what's changing, the fees are what's changing.

[1:36:26] Voice 7: So the substance of the by-law is in this staff report

[1:36:30] Voice 7: and in the table that's in it.

[1:36:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, and so certainly if you want to review the by-law,

[1:36:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): I would suggest that that be a separate discussion item

[1:36:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): as opposed to the fees.

[1:36:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): There is some expectation that LTCs will be adjusting

[1:36:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): their model fees by-laws according to the recommendation

[1:36:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): um that has come down from regional planning services um and indeed some of the numbers

[1:36:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): associated with that are reflected in our upcoming budget so um it's up to you but

[1:37:02] Trustee Johnston: i i don't

[1:37:03] Trustee Johnston: okay well i guess they're all i don't understand how uh the development permit areas could be in

[1:37:10] Trustee Johnston: the bylaw because they're not in our current bylaw how could the fees be plugged in there

[1:37:15] Trustee Johnston: there must be changes to

[1:37:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): the bylaw so exactly well not to the no no because what you're talking

[1:37:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): about is your land use bylaw and your ocp which designate permit areas and you presently don't

[1:37:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): have those designations right so

[1:37:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): um deleting those items one through eight and 17 and 18 i think it

[1:37:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): was um is something we can do today and there's no issue with that um it doesn't change the fees

[1:37:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): Fees by-law itself doesn't create a permitting process.

[1:37:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): You have to amend the LUB and the OCP.

[1:37:51] Trustee Johnston: I understand that, but the fees by-law that we haven't seen must have included those fees,

[1:37:57] Trustee Johnston: and they're not in our current fee by-law.

[1:38:01] Trustee Johnston: So the by-law must have changed to incorporate those.

[1:38:04] Trustee Johnston: The table.

[1:38:06] Trustee Johnston: Well, not just the table.

[1:38:08] Trustee Johnston: They're not in the by-law.

[1:38:09] Trustee Johnston: There's no mention of development permit areas in the by-law.

[1:38:12] Trustee Johnston: and there i assume it is in the new draft by law no it's not well how can we just incorporate new

[1:38:20] Trustee Johnston: fees for something that's not in there i don't understand that

[1:38:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's a holding place it's just a

[1:38:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): table it's administrative but you know just make that easy and agree that by motion we will delete

[1:38:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): one through eight and 17 and 18 and then it's not an issue uh trustee peterson

[1:38:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank

[1:38:44] Voice 11: you, Chair. I also think that just in terms of due diligence, I don't see us giving

[1:38:53] Voice 11: the full readings. The actuals, I'd like us to have access to the actuals that I requested

[1:39:01] Voice 11: a little earlier in the discussion, application processing on Laskiti to help us guide us.

[1:39:08] Voice 11: and go ahead and move that we.

[1:39:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, I suspect I'm barely hearing what you have to say.

[1:39:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm not sure that anybody else

[1:39:22] Voice 9: is going to use this.

[1:39:24] Voice 11: Sorry about that, yeah.

[1:39:27] Voice 11: So the, I requested earlier that we could get

[1:39:32] Voice 11: the actual application processing

[1:39:37] Voice 11: for Laskete local trust area.

[1:39:39] Voice 11: and I think that we, it serves us,

[1:39:46] Voice 11: it serves the public to get those numbers

[1:39:48] Voice 11: before we advance this two or three readings today.

[1:39:54] Voice 11: So I'm just recommending that we should defer

[1:40:02] Voice 11: this item until our next meeting.

[1:40:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, we can certainly do that.

[1:40:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm confused about what it is that you're asking for

[1:40:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): because the old fees are in this table compared to the new fees is that not correct regional

[1:40:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): planning manager yeah so what's what is it that you think is missing uh

[1:40:21] Voice 11: no what i asked earlier

[1:40:22] Voice 11: was whether and this is from constituents whether it is possible to get um numbers the actual uh

[1:40:31] Voice 11: uh, costs of application processing, uh, for Laskiti.

[1:40:40] Voice 11: I will

[1:40:41] Voice 7: respond that, um, I, when I heard you say that earlier, I thought you were saying

[1:40:49] Voice 7: you were asking for information about how many permits we have received and how, how many fees

[1:40:57] Voice 7: we've, uh, received associated with those. Um, there's, there's not really good data on

[1:41:05] Voice 7: the actual cost of processing applications because it all has to do with staff time and um if you'll

[1:41:15] Voice 7: remember and we don't we don't typically account for every you know increment of time that we're

[1:41:21] Voice 7: spending on specific applications for specific areas there was a period of about three months

[1:41:28] Voice 7: I think last year when we were specifically doing that because Trust Council had requested that data.

[1:41:36] Voice 7: And so we do have that window, but we made the caveat then that it's very iffy because it's only three months, right?

[1:41:48] Voice 7: Okay,

[1:41:50] Voice 11: yeah, thank you for that clarity.

[1:41:52] Voice 11: because actually, to be honest, I was surprised when you'd answered in the affirmative that you

[1:41:59] Voice 11: had those actuals. And I was actually a bit surprised to hear that. So, okay, good to know

[1:42:04] Voice 11: we don't. And so that's not so much of a factor then, because we're never going to get that

[1:42:11] Voice 11: information because we don't have it.

[1:42:15] Trustee Johnston: And can I say that I should have said this earlier,

[1:42:20] Trustee Johnston: earlier right after the town hall,

[1:42:23] Trustee Johnston: Tom Weiner said that he understood that the recommended fees

[1:42:27] Trustee Johnston: and the recommended fee by-law were an average.

[1:42:29] Trustee Johnston: I don't believe that's correct.

[1:42:31] Trustee Johnston: My understanding it's there are based on the average cost

[1:42:36] Trustee Johnston: of processing the applications and the various things,

[1:42:40] Trustee Johnston: not on the average of each of the

[1:42:42] Trustee Johnston: local trust committees fees by-laws.

[1:42:46] Trustee Johnston: So the attempt is to recapture 80% or 90%, some fairly high percentage of the actual cost of processing the application paid by the applicant rather than by the taxpayers as a whole.

[1:43:03] Trustee Johnston: That's correct, is it not?

[1:43:06] Voice 7: I would say that the average word was used because, yes, it's the average of what it actually costs.

[1:43:13] Voice 7: I don't believe that the fees before you reflect an 80 or 90% capture of the actual costs. I think

[1:43:22] Voice 7: it's much lower than that. But I wasn't part of all the conversations.

[1:43:28] Trustee Johnston: But it's an attempt to

[1:43:29] Trustee Johnston: shift the cost from the general taxpayer to the applicant, towards the applicant. Yeah,

[1:43:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's correct. And I'll just note that that language actually about the average cost of

[1:43:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): application fees actually comes from the province it doesn't it's not something we've decided

[1:43:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): the legislation says that your fees can only be the average cost of those kinds and types

[1:43:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): of permits and so we've done the best we can with the limited data that we have

[1:44:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): and ended and uh and that report is actually it's a really good report it's available um on the

[1:44:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): the regional planning um uh list of meeting reports and i think trustee owner you're on

[1:44:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): programs committee so um anyway that's available um and um you can certainly look at those details

[1:44:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): what has scant as they are um so uh um there we are i'm sorry there's some other things going on

[1:44:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): in the background by email that are what they are um okay uh so just to summarize here i think

[1:44:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): if i'm not mistaken perhaps we can advance this bylaw but we do want to make an amendment to the

[1:44:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): table which is deleting items 1 through 8 and 17 and 18 and then um and i think heather you've

[1:45:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): probably sent us that bylaw by now and so uh when we return from lunch we could consider advancing

[1:45:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): that if you wish if not we can go some other direction but i i'm going to suggest that we um

[1:45:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): we defer that until after lunch for unless you want to make a motion at this time so that it's

[1:45:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): clear uh when we come back what it is that we're doing and so i'll turn to the trustees for motion

[1:45:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): motion if that's what you want to do to make an amendment.

[1:45:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): Otherwise, we'll address that when we come back.

[1:45:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Peterson.

[1:45:44] Voice 11: I move that the Liskety Local Trust Committee

[1:45:49] Voice 11: remove from bylaw 99 table two items one to eight

[1:45:58] Voice 11: and items 17 and 18.

[1:46:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): Very good.

[1:46:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): it um and dave olson you've managed

[1:46:05] Trustee Johnston: to capture that is this is

[1:46:08] Trustee Johnston: this in a bylaw it's it's just

[1:46:11] Trustee Johnston: in the report should we not request staff to remove it not or to not put it in the bylaw or

[1:46:17] Trustee Johnston: to remove it from the draft bylaw uh

[1:46:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): the table um which is part of the uh draft bylaw which is what

[1:46:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): what Trustee Peterson is suggesting.

[1:46:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): And then when we get to the motion

[1:46:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): to give it first or second reading or whatever,

[1:46:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): then it would be the by-law as amended.

[1:46:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Is that correct to reach RPM Crowler?

[1:46:43] Voice 7: It is, however, I'm not sure that the items

[1:46:46] Voice 7: are numbered the same way.

[1:46:48] Voice 7: You might be better off to wait for your motions

[1:46:50] Voice 7: until after the break and after you've had them,

[1:46:53] Voice 7: just so we make sure we have the numbering right

[1:46:55] Voice 7: and all of that too.

[1:46:56] Voice 7: okay

[1:46:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): so then thank

[1:46:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): you for that so let's um that has not been seconded at this time and so let's

[1:47:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): bring that back after the break okay so we've got 10 minutes before the break if that's all right

[1:47:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): um we could look at uh the um maybe the first one anyway 7.1 danville local trust

[1:47:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): committee request for referral response i suspect that the uh the skidi subdivision

[1:47:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): 2020.1 waiver might be a bit more of a lengthy conversation um so um um regional planning

[1:47:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): manager car could you uh present the gampy on local trust committee request here referral for

[1:47:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): response and then perhaps we can get a decision on that of some kind yep

[1:47:47] Voice 7: so this is um uh two

[1:47:49] Voice 7: bylaws one to amend the ocp the keats island ocp and the keats luv land use bylaw

[1:47:57] Voice 7: they are proposing to adopt shoreline development permit area and both of those

[1:48:05] Voice 7: bylaws will need to be amended to allow for that so that's what this referral is about and your

[1:48:10] Voice 7: options are listed on your referral document essentially approval recommended

[1:48:19] Voice 7: outright approval recommended subject to conditions that you have been outlined

[1:48:23] Voice 7: line. Or you can simply say your interests are unaffected, or approval not recommended and

[1:48:30] Voice 7: provide reasons.

[1:48:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): Right. And so yeah, generally, the motion would be that the LISKEY and LLTC

[1:48:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): believes that OCP by 153 and LUB 154 are not, do not, are interested and are affected. So

[1:48:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): trustees, do you want to advance that? Or do you have any questions?

[1:48:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): is

[1:48:53] Trustee Johnston: there a staff recommendation on this we

[1:48:58] Voice 7: well um i mean we would recommend that you recommend

[1:49:03] Voice 7: approval or that your interests are not uh are not affected yeah

[1:49:09] Trustee Johnston: i i believe our interests are

[1:49:12] Trustee Johnston: not affected and i certainly don't disapprove i don't know if interest not affected means we

[1:49:17] Trustee Johnston: don't really care it it would be nice if it was a bit warmer than that but yeah

[1:49:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): the bylaws are

[1:49:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): often not warm and fuzzy and that's true normally

[1:49:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's our interests are not affected yeah

[1:49:31] Trustee Johnston: well i i

[1:49:32] Trustee Johnston: move that we record that we uh respond that our interests are not affected by these bylaws and

[1:49:39] Trustee Johnston: thank them for uh proceeding with them and referring them to us that's

[1:49:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): as warm as i can get

[1:49:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's very nice yeah and and uh david olsen have you managed to capture that motion

[1:49:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): yes i have so trustee peterson do you want to second that all right very good then so

[1:49:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's only further discussion all those in favor any opposed and i believe there's none opposed

[1:50:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): and so that carries unanimously so we wish gambier island and keats island all the success so i think

[1:50:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think unless you want to tackle that particular item,

[1:50:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm going to suggest that we go for our break

[1:50:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): and come back at, let's say, 1230.

[1:50:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): Mr. Chair, I think

[1:50:29] Trustee Johnston: I can solve the problem

[1:50:31] Trustee Johnston: with the waiver very quickly if we could do it.

[1:50:37] Trustee Johnston: I have a suggestion that will, I think, please everyone.

[1:50:42] Trustee Johnston: well

[1:50:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): let me uh then if you want to do that that's fine but let's start off with the staff report

[1:50:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): um so that we've got our background all clear and then if you want to resolve that that's perfect

[1:50:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): uh regional planning manager cower would you like to introduce

[1:51:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): liskity on subdivision 2020.1 i

[1:51:04] Voice 7: can do that i personally need a bio break

[1:51:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay ah

[1:51:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): Ah, OK, I think we should attack this

[1:51:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): after lunch as well.

[1:51:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, let's let's let's do that because there's only six minutes before lunch.

[1:51:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): Let's come back at 1230 and continue on. Good try, Peter. I appreciate it.

[1:51:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): OK, thanks. And I guess, Heather, you want to put a message up on the screen?

[1:51:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): OK, thank you, everybody.

[2:29:33] Voice 9: Good

[2:29:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): afternoon, everybody. I have managed to find my way back from the kitchen.

[2:29:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): And here we are to continue the afternoon portion of our meeting here today.

[2:29:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): I want to welcome everybody that's joined us on live streaming or watching the recording.

[2:29:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): I want to acknowledge it's a beautiful day here in Coast Salish Territory.

[2:29:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): And it's an honor and privilege to be here, have the opportunity to learn.

[2:30:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): much from the history of this amazing place that we live in grateful for that we managed to get

[2:30:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): ourselves to I think I'm going to pick up more or less where we left off which is model fee bylaw

[2:30:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): update and ask trustees if they have any interest in or if there's any additional information the

[2:30:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): the regional planning manager wishes to offer and whether trustees wish with advancing this

[2:30:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): bylaw at this time. So regional planning manager Cara anything new to add?

[2:30:39] Voice 9: No. Trustees

[2:30:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): what's your

[2:30:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): pleasure?

[2:30:45] Trustee Johnston: I would like to not deal with it this time because it is not the same bylaw as that we

[2:30:51] Trustee Johnston: we currently have.

[2:30:52] Trustee Johnston: It includes those development permit areas in it.

[2:31:00] Voice 9: Now, is

[2:31:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): that correct, RPM, Kara?

[2:31:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): Perhaps we need some clarity around that.

[2:31:13] Voice 7: So the bylaw that I emailed to you at the break

[2:31:18] Voice 7: is reflective of what our recommendation has been.

[2:31:23] Voice 7: And that means that it does include a development,

[2:31:26] Voice 7: some sections for development permit fees.

[2:31:29] Voice 7: But I think what you had,

[2:31:31] Voice 7: Sarah Mendelson, WPE Co- started talking about before the break was that you would perhaps have a motion to remove those sections.

[2:31:38] Voice 7: Sarah Mendelson, WPE Co- From the draft bylaw and you can do that without affecting the rest of the bylaw so not sure what else.

[2:31:49] Voice 7: you might want to know that so

[2:31:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): for clarity then the bylaw is the same the only piece of the bylaw

[2:31:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's changing is the table which lists the fees because uh development permits have to be

[2:32:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): included in the ocp um not in a administrative bylaw yeah all right so is your position still

[2:32:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): the same there peter johnson yeah

[2:32:15] Trustee Johnston: that's all i know that's different from our current bylaw

[2:32:19] Trustee Johnston: But I have, you know, I didn't spend my whole lunch hour looking at it, that I just don't think I don't want to even give first reading to this file, having had a chance to read it a little bit thoroughly, well, even just cursorily.

[2:32:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, well, that's a fair request. It has been, we have seen it before, but that's fine. Trustee Peterson, what's your pleasure here?

[2:32:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[2:32:49] Voice 11: I'm going to go ahead and respect Trustee Johnson's desire to have a deeper dive in this before we consider giving it first reading.

[2:32:58] Voice 11: So I'm in agreement. We'll defer this to our next meeting.

[2:33:03] Trustee Johnston: Okay, then.

[2:33:03] Trustee Johnston: So I'm happy to move ahead and ask staff to remove the development permit part from the bylaw.

[2:33:12] Trustee Johnston: I think that might be a good thing to do.

[2:33:15] Trustee Johnston: so why

[2:33:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): don't you make a motion to that effect to remove the sections that you object to and have it

[2:33:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): brought back to our next meeting yeah

[2:33:22] Trustee Johnston: i i move that we ask staff to remove the sections on

[2:33:26] Trustee Johnston: development permits which are one to seven or what it was a one to eight in the graph and

[2:33:33] Trustee Johnston: 1314 and this table in the agenda 1718

[2:33:37] Trustee Johnston: and to bring it back to us at our next meeting

[2:33:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): moved do i have a seconder and david did you manage to capture that yes i did sure thank you

[2:33:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you very much okay so then um i'll call for the vote all those in favor yeah so that uh

[2:34:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): carries and so heather thank you very much and we'll look forward to seeing this at our next

[2:34:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): meeting so without further ado then i'm going to move on to the skeedy subdivision 2020.1 frontage

[2:34:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): waiver and i'm going to go to uh regional planning manager cowher for uh a summary of the staff

[2:34:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): report yeah

[2:34:25] Voice 7: and i am going to share my screen on this one um sorry that just so i make sure

[2:34:31] Voice 7: that i have the right language on it but essentially this is a a subdivision um and

[2:34:37] Voice 7: again subdivision applications go to moti they are the subdivision approval authority um but

[2:34:46] Voice 7: But there is a regulation,

[2:34:48] Voice 7: and let me make sure I get to the right space here.

[2:34:51] Voice 7: Sorry, just need a second.

[2:35:05] Voice 7: So this is the drawing of the subdivision.

[2:35:07] Voice 7: And the regulation is in the Local Government Act,

[2:35:13] Voice 7: and it's listed here.

[2:35:15] Voice 7: So if a parcel being created fronts on a highway,

[2:35:19] Voice 7: the minimum frontage on the highway

[2:35:20] Voice 7: must be the greater of 10% of the perimeter of the lot

[2:35:24] Voice 7: and the minimum frontage that the local government.

[2:35:27] Voice 7: So the lots being created here

[2:35:29] Voice 7: don't meet those minimum requirements.

[2:35:31] Voice 7: However, the Local Government Act

[2:35:33] Voice 7: allows for the local government venue

[2:35:35] Voice 7: to waive the requirement for those minimum requirements.

[2:35:41] Voice 7: So staff are recommending approval of this waiver,

[2:35:45] Voice 7: essentially, that the LTC waives the requirements.

[2:35:49] Voice 7: Part of the rationale is that, is the following.

[2:35:54] Voice 7: These are the things that we look at when we're looking at whether or not to recommend that you waive the requirement, and that would be allowing for an appropriate amount of space for reasonable access, the suitability of the terrain, adequacy of the building envelope, so meaning they could build a house and have decent setbacks, and whether or not further subdivision potential is limited by the proposed frontage.

[2:36:21] Voice 7: So those are things that we looked at as staff

[2:36:23] Voice 7: when we made our recommendation,

[2:36:25] Voice 7: and we are recommending that you approve the waiver.

[2:36:30] Voice 7: The language is here.

[2:36:36] Voice 7: And yeah, and I think that's kind of it for now.

[2:36:41] Voice 7: I might be limited on my ability to answer questions,

[2:36:45] Voice 7: but I will try.

[2:36:55] Voice 9: You're muted, Chair.

[2:36:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I am.

[2:37:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): I am. Let's go to Regional Planning Manager Cowher for some questions. I have my own question, but I'll start off with the trustees, and then we can discuss the merits of this application or not.

[2:37:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Johnson, Trustee Peterson, who wants to go first? Let's go with Trustee Peterson. I favor Trustee Johnson because he's on the left top corner of my screen.

[2:37:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Johnson's ready. Let him go ahead.

[2:37:26] Trustee Johnston: Okay.

[2:37:30] Trustee Johnston: Sorry, I don't have a question, but I do have a suggestion.

[2:37:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, well, then I have a question, and then we'll go to your suggestion. It appears that because of the size of the lot, 10% is a significant amount of road allowance. But the proposal that's in front of us does meet the minimum 20 meters necessary. And so is that correct?

[2:37:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): sorry

[2:38:04] Voice 7: about that um i think there's i think the staff report explains that and i'd have to

[2:38:11] Voice 7: refer you back to that specific section yeah well the section

[2:38:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): i'm looking at is at the end of the

[2:38:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): descriptors i think it says indicates that the frontage of proposed straddle lot b will be 20

[2:38:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): meters that is calculated to be less than 10 percent of the perimeter of the proposed lot

[2:38:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): approximately 1.9 percent so i think then maybe

[2:38:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): what that is is that it's going uh the 10 meters

[2:38:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): is actually less than two percent rather than ten percent right okay thank you that's my clarity

[2:38:43] Trustee Johnston: for lot c the problem is it's only 10 meters which is i think 0.9 percent of the perimeter

[2:38:52] Trustee Johnston: and if is i it turns out i do have a question is it our requirement that it would be 20 meters

[2:38:58] Trustee Johnston: minimum. I was under the impression that was motifs. Anyway, you

[2:39:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): have to speak directly to

[2:39:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): the screen there.

[2:39:14] Trustee Johnston: I'm using my microphone here, I think, but maybe not.

[2:39:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, maybe you don't have

[2:39:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): enough bandwidth then. However, just bear with us because I'm having difficulty hearing you.

[2:39:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): You know what? You're

[2:39:25] Trustee Johnston: right. I'm not using now. Is that better? That is so much better.

[2:39:29] Trustee Johnston: Okay, I was not on this headset. I was irritating my ears needlessly. The problem is, see, the road just comes to it. It's a 10-meter access roadway dedicated. I don't know if it's built. It shows a trail going through.

[2:39:47] Trustee Johnston: If they merely extended that 10 meters into the lot,

[2:39:51] Trustee Johnston: either along the top or down the side, took a right turn,

[2:39:55] Trustee Johnston: then they would get 20 meters of perimeter access.

[2:40:02] Trustee Johnston: And so I think that that would be a simple enough thing

[2:40:05] Trustee Johnston: for them to do, that they should do that.

[2:40:07] Trustee Johnston: And we should stick with meeting the 20 meter minimum.

[2:40:16] Voice 7: Mr. Chair.

[2:40:17] Voice 9: Yeah, do you understand that suggestion?

[2:40:20] Voice 9: Well, I did want

[2:40:34] Voice 7: to point out, I think that's where I can speak. Do you want me to let her

[2:40:40] Voice 7: speak? Do you want to let the trustees ask questions of staff first and then

[2:40:46] Voice 7: the applicant can speak?

[2:40:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): Oh, I see. I apologize. I didn't

[2:40:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): realize the applicant was here. Is

[2:40:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): that Rachel Hamling?

[2:40:55] Voice 7: Yes.

[2:40:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. Sure. So I got cut off there for

[2:41:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): some reason mysteries of the internet and so um i i wondered if you wanted to comment on

[2:41:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): on um trustee uh johnson's suggestion there but obviously it would be up to the applicant to be

[2:41:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): willing um under the current circumstances to be able to do that yeah

[2:41:22] Voice 7: she might be able to speak

[2:41:23] Voice 7: to that and whether or not

[2:41:24] Voice 7: that's feasible okay

[2:41:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): let me then go uh direct on that i'll just say

[2:41:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's go to the applicant to advise us on um that suggestion obviously not what you had asked for

[2:41:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): so rachel hamling over to you hi

[2:41:41] Voice 5: there my name is rachel hamling i'm from prism land surveying

[2:41:46] Voice 5: can you hear me okay yes okay

[2:41:48] Voice 5: thank you chair and trustee and heather thanks for having me here

[2:41:52] Voice 5: today um so yes just to clarify we have requested a frontage um relaxation to the local government

[2:42:02] Voice 5: act for proposed lots b and c um and i i do agree with your action suggestion um trustee johnson

[2:42:11] Voice 5: we could perhaps flare out the frontage of lot c to accommodate that 20 meter so it would just

[2:42:20] Voice 5: give them a little bit more of a turning radius into that property um so if you would like to see

[2:42:27] Voice 5: like a flare um of 20 meters into that frontage we could um we could accommodate that and that

[2:42:38] Voice 5: would allow that the um committee would just be waiving the 10 frontage from the local government

[2:42:45] Voice 5: and act is that correct heather

[2:42:55] Voice 9: yes

[2:42:57] Voice 5: that's correct okay and

[2:42:59] Voice 5: i'm here to answer anything else

[2:43:00] Voice 5: um if there's any questions with regard to this project all

[2:43:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): right thank you so trustee johnson

[2:43:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): indeed that does sound like a solution um and so um trustee peterson do you have anything or

[2:43:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): otherwise i'm just going to look for um regional planning manager car to ask us how to proceed

[2:43:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): to eat here.

[2:43:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): Should we just ask that this subdivision be returned

[2:43:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): at a future meeting after consultation with the applicant

[2:43:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): or, and do you need a motion to that effect

[2:43:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): or we'll just let the applicant take it away

[2:43:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): and bring it back to us.

[2:43:38] Voice 11: Thank you chair.

[2:43:40] Voice 11: I just, I'm happy to hear that there's been a solution

[2:43:45] Voice 11: to the situation of the frontage

[2:43:50] Voice 11: frontage because um you know i'm loath when we have in our bylaw that says in no case may the

[2:43:58] Voice 11: frontage be less than 20 meters to go ahead and improve approve such an exception so um i think

[2:44:05] Voice 11: this is i'm pleased that we're finding a solution on the fly here although

[2:44:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): we are still reducing it

[2:44:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): to 20 meters rather than 10 of the lot area but it's because it's

[2:44:22] Voice 9: such a big however that

[2:44:24] Voice 11: I'm willing to consider that in a way that I was less willing to consider essentially contravening a statement that says in no case it would be going on the 20 meters.

[2:44:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): You keep fading in and out, but I think we got the drift of it.

[2:44:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): it so um heather uh car over to you for recommendations on how whether or not you

[2:44:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): need any direction from the ltc or you can work with the applicant to revise this um

[2:45:01] Voice 7: we can work

[2:45:03] Voice 7: with the applicant to revise it i i mean um you could actually pass a motion right now that would

[2:45:10] Voice 7: reflect what you're willing to propose there doesn't have to be a site plan associated with it

[2:45:18] Trustee Johnston: okay i i think that that's a good idea and i would like to move that we waived the 10 of the

[2:45:26] Trustee Johnston: perimeter but not the 20 okay

[2:45:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): and then that gives the applicant enough information to reconfigure

[2:45:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): that all right okay and your uh audio is cut off

[2:45:43] Voice 9: completely now can anybody hear anybody

[2:45:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): I can hear you, Chair.

[2:46:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): I can't hear Trustee Johnson.

[2:46:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[2:46:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): I just saw some funny unmute things coming up here, and I was wondering.

[2:46:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): Nothing, Peter.

[2:46:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): You've been bandwidthed off the horizon.

[2:46:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): Your microphone is now muted, officially.

[2:46:23] Trustee Johnston: I'm now back on the computer speaker, I think, or computer microphone.

[2:46:28] Trustee Johnston: You can hear me?

[2:46:30] Trustee Johnston: Yes.

[2:46:31] Trustee Johnston: Okay.

[2:46:31] Trustee Johnston: I'm speaking directly to it.

[2:46:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[2:46:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): So get your motion on the floor.

[2:46:39] Trustee Johnston: sorry i didn't catch that i

[2:46:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): think we need your motion oh

[2:46:44] Trustee Johnston: i i move that we waive the 10 percent

[2:46:47] Trustee Johnston: perimeter requirement but maintain the 20 meters minimum requirement all right so

[2:46:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): is that sufficient

[2:46:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): rpm car thank you so do i have a seconder for that motion trustee peterson yeah uh so then

[2:47:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): is there any further discussion no then i'll call for the vote all those in favor

[2:47:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): and so that carries all right so very good everyone and indeed that was a

[2:47:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): quick solution and uh thank you heather for your um advice and thank you rachel hamling for your um

[2:47:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): um working with us to accomplish this outcome rachel has her hand up here oh over to you rachel

[2:47:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): your hand is up again sorry

[2:47:36] Voice 5: i forgot to dig it down but thanks for everything we'll get that

[2:47:39] Voice 5: fixed up on the proposed plan and we'll move forward from there

[2:47:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): awesome that's great good

[2:47:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): luck with that project okay so let us now move on then i think we can safely go to 8.1 on page

[2:47:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): 2 of the agenda page 44 the skeedy island official community plan comprehensive review proposed bylaw

[2:47:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we have a memorandum before us so do you want to summarize where we're at here rpm cover yeah so

[2:48:06] Voice 7: So we, the LTC has been, there's been a request from Sonanas First Nation to meet with the

[2:48:15] Voice 7: LTC and they've requested that the OCP not move forward substantially until you've had

[2:48:23] Voice 7: a meeting.

[2:48:24] Voice 7: And a letter has been sent to them to initiate that meeting.

[2:48:30] Voice 7: We haven't heard a response from them yet.

[2:48:33] Voice 7: So we're sort of in a holding pattern until we can have that meeting.

[2:48:38] Voice 7: In the meantime, there have been some comments that have come in.

[2:48:44] Voice 7: And so this memo sort of outlines the comments that we have received in this period and provides some commentary from staff about what we think you should do with that information.

[2:49:01] Voice 7: You'll note in the table that I have in my staff report that for those items that there are some items in which I agree with the recommendation and I think the document should be amended as such.

[2:49:17] Voice 7: Several of the comments I've indicated I'm neutral on, I don't have an opinion one way or another about whether or not the document should be amended as recommended.

[2:49:28] Voice 7: in part because I don't have an objection.

[2:49:32] Voice 7: If there was an amendment being made to that effect,

[2:49:37] Voice 7: I don't have any objection to it

[2:49:38] Voice 7: or any professional objection to it.

[2:49:41] Voice 7: So it's sort of up to the LTC

[2:49:43] Voice 7: what they wanna do with that information.

[2:49:46] Voice 7: And then there are some that I've commented

[2:49:49] Voice 7: where I think it would be problematic

[2:49:51] Voice 7: if we did amend the document in that way.

[2:49:54] Voice 7: Okay. So I've provided that information. I don't, at this point, expect there to be any motions that would amend the document. It's really just for your information and as a discussion point. And I thought I would at least present the information to you now so you could give it some thought and have discussion on it if you'd like. So that's my summary.

[2:50:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, that's clear. Thank you very much. Trustees, what thoughts did you have here? I'm content to receive this report and wait until we get to some place where we know what we're doing about a meeting, and then pick this up at that point. Trustees?

[2:50:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): Could

[2:50:50] Trustee Johnston: we have a brief discussion now on how important it is to finish before the term ends in October or early November?

[2:51:02] Trustee Johnston: I'm sure.

[2:51:05] Trustee Johnston: I'm neutral about it. My thought is we put a lot of energy into this. There's clearly a lot of fine work that's being requested, largely by me.

[2:51:16] Trustee Johnston: I think it's important I'm sure that Dave thinks his issues are important and I know that Andrew

[2:51:22] Trustee Johnston: thinks his are important I would rather spend a little more time on this and get it as good as we

[2:51:28] Trustee Johnston: can in this revision period even if it goes to the next local trust committee to be decided upon

[2:51:38] Trustee Johnston: and adopted and with the I guess the possibility that somebody will be elected that doesn't want

[2:51:44] Trustee Johnston: on it and wants to start again so that's my feeling but i don't know how how the rest of you

[2:51:50] Trustee Johnston: feel and it certainly was a goal to get it done this term okay

[2:51:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): trustee peterson any

[2:51:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): remarks um

[2:52:02] Voice 9: i mean i i think it would be uh

[2:52:05] Voice 11: yeah you're

[2:52:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): breaking up there

[2:52:10] Voice 11: again trustee peterson sorry

[2:52:11] Voice 11: i'm trying to speak into the mic but i'm also battling this bright thing out of the sky which

[2:52:17] Voice 11: which is really affecting my ability here.

[2:52:20] Voice 11: I apologize about the hat,

[2:52:21] Voice 11: but I'm blinded without it right now

[2:52:23] Voice 11: where I'm sitting, I can only move so much.

[2:52:28] Voice 11: So I think it'd be great if we can accomplish this

[2:52:30] Voice 11: before the end of term,

[2:52:31] Voice 11: but there are some factors perhaps we hadn't anticipated

[2:52:36] Voice 11: that we're processing sort of now

[2:52:39] Voice 11: in terms of meaningful reconciliation

[2:52:42] Voice 11: reconciliation and respecting that um you know to get the the uh the conversation with first

[2:52:50] Voice 11: nations going is is not something that we can rush and and uh and it also that it's important to

[2:52:58] Voice 11: to get it right rather than to get it done on a specific timeline so i mean aspirationally sure

[2:53:06] Voice 11: it'd be wonderful if we can finish before the end of term um but yeah it's it's best that we do

[2:53:12] Voice 11: this right than by a specific date. That's my feeling.

[2:53:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right. I agree with everything

[2:53:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): I've heard. So indeed, you know, our aspiration of getting this done within the construct of a term

[2:53:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): is something that doesn't have to drive, shouldn't drive us. We need to do the work right. So

[2:53:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): therefore, I'm going to suggest we receive this at this time and continue on. But I

[2:53:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think that that probably covers it at the moment.

[2:53:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): And obviously, there'll be more thoughts that will come in that gives the public an opportunity to share more information.

[2:53:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): Peter Johnson, over to you.

[2:53:56] Trustee Johnston: I have a question that just came up, I think, in one of Dave's submissions.

[2:54:01] Trustee Johnston: He mentions differences in numbering systems.

[2:54:04] Trustee Johnston: I think this is from each of us working from, or some of us working from a different version of the proposed OCP.

[2:54:13] Trustee Johnston: and is there one that we could all use heather that because it would certainly be better if we

[2:54:21] Trustee Johnston: all had the same numbering system and all went through the same program yeah

[2:54:26] Voice 7: i think we could

[2:54:27] Voice 7: um i mean i can definitely send all of you a copy of the most recent version part of the problem was

[2:54:34] Voice 7: you have given second reading to something that you amended with the number so i'll make sure that

[2:54:40] Voice 7: that you have the most recent version with the numbers

[2:54:42] Voice 7: and we'll make sure that that,

[2:54:44] Voice 7: I believe that version is up on the website right now,

[2:54:47] Voice 7: but we'll make it more clear

[2:54:48] Voice 7: that that is the most current version

[2:54:50] Voice 7: with the numbers that are appropriate.

[2:54:52] Trustee Johnston: Okay, and I have found a way

[2:54:55] Trustee Johnston: to make each of my suggestions an actual motion

[2:54:58] Trustee Johnston: and I will do that because that seems to be a problem

[2:55:01] Trustee Johnston: that they're not motions.

[2:55:03] Voice 9: Okay.

[2:55:04] Trustee Johnston: I will make them a motion

[2:55:06] Trustee Johnston: and still not suggest a solution.

[2:55:08] Trustee Johnston: But that would be discussed. Thank you.

[2:55:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[2:55:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): The only question here about the numbering system is we would want to be sure that whatever version it is that this not on NASA referring to is the same, or that they have the same version available to so that our bigger conversation is also congruent

[2:55:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): with the document that we're working on.

[2:55:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. So then I'll leave that all in your hands, RPM Coward. That's great. And we'll continue on

[2:55:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): on our agenda. We don't have any delegations that have been requested today. Correspondents

[2:55:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): will recognize that there was some late correspondence that came in that's associated

[2:55:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): with the OCP. Otherwise, there's not any correspondence received today before the

[2:56:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): the deadline. So I'm going to move on to section 11, new business. We have a memorandum here

[2:56:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): regarding a natural air protection tax exemption program at Livingston Forest NAPTEP covenant

[2:56:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): information. That's an information item. And so do you have any information or summary you

[2:56:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): want to do on this one? We just take it as it's presented. Okay. So if there are any questions,

[2:56:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): It probably needs to be directed to the Island Trust Conservancy, but we'll just receive this for your information.

[2:56:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): Peter Johnson?

[2:56:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): Do you

[2:56:42] Trustee Johnston: know if this has been accepted and filed?

[2:56:46] Trustee Johnston: I think Trust Council did approve it.

[2:56:49] Trustee Johnston: Did they not?

[2:56:49] Trustee Johnston: Did we not?

[2:56:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): I do believe they did, yeah.

[2:56:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[2:56:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee Peterson is saying the same thing.

[2:56:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): So it's a done deal.

[2:56:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you.

[2:57:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[2:57:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. Where are we? We're now going to move on to shoreline protection model bylaw report. That's

[2:57:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): on page 128. And over to, oh, this is the one that came from council. So that's really there

[2:57:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): for information and using if we choose to do some shoreline protection, which may be something in

[2:57:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): your future um is there anything further with that one uh rpm car no and trustees do you have

[2:57:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): anything otherwise we'll receive that for information okay excellent so we got a three

[2:57:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): new items here 11.3 safe island alliance now if i'm not mistaken isn't that the car hood that's

[2:57:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): nailed to a bunch of pilings in the harbor yeah it is that seems

[2:57:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): uncharacteristically urban but

[2:57:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): what can I say?

[2:57:59] Trustee Johnston: I don't see that much in urban areas, but maybe it happens all the time.

[2:58:06] Trustee Johnston: But my concern is that the land was listed as 168 acres. Our minimum subdivision was 10 acres,

[2:58:19] Trustee Johnston: which would mean 16 lots with 0.8 left over. And it's been determined now that when we changed

[2:58:28] Trustee Johnston: from imperial to metric, it became not 10 acres, but four hectares, which is 9.88 acres,

[2:58:36] Trustee Johnston: which is a small but significant, in this case, difference. When he first proposed this

[2:58:45] Trustee Johnston: land sharing opportunity, Michael said that they would have 12 or 13 lots up there,

[2:58:52] Trustee Johnston: And now he's pressed for maximum and he's going to be allowed 17, not lots, but dwellings and 17 guest houses, 17 shares that he'll be selling.

[2:59:04] Trustee Johnston: And I just want to say that I'm really sorry that that's happened, that he has decided to go for the very max.

[2:59:11] Trustee Johnston: and this is the first instance that I know that this 9.88 acres rather than 10 has led to one

[2:59:20] Trustee Johnston: additional lot one additional dwelling sorry they're not lots it's just a land sharing arrangement

[2:59:27] Trustee Johnston: and if there was a way that we could change it from 9.88 acres back to 10 and make that

[2:59:34] Trustee Johnston: at four point whatever hectares, I would support that.

[2:59:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, that's a very good question.

[2:59:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I'm gonna go to regional planning manager to ask.

[2:59:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): So how does that get rationalized in the scheme of things?

[2:59:55] Voice 7: My understanding is that the total amount of land

[3:00:00] Voice 7: is more than what the community may have thought it was.

[3:00:04] Voice 7: That's how I'm understanding this,

[3:00:07] Voice 7: that they actually do have enough land

[3:00:09] Voice 7: to meet our minimum requirements for 17 shares.

[3:00:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): At 10 full acres.

[3:00:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well,

[3:00:20] Voice 7: it's not actually about the acres.

[3:00:22] Voice 7: It's the number of residences that are allowed

[3:00:26] Voice 7: per the number of hectares.

[3:00:32] Voice 7: And it calculates out to be 17

[3:00:34] Voice 7: based on the zoning, the way that it is, yeah.

[3:00:41] Voice 7: I think there's been a misunderstanding

[3:00:43] Voice 7: about what the total area was of the property,

[3:00:47] Voice 7: but I've seen some verification from the landowner

[3:00:52] Voice 7: that the amount of land there is sufficient.

[3:00:56] Voice 7: so

[3:00:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): the simple question then is metric or imperial doesn't matter no somebody else can do the math

[3:01:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): is there 170 acres of land there i

[3:01:09] Voice 7: have to go back over my emails and and that kind of thing

[3:01:14] Voice 7: um to to tell you the exact measurements and i could do that um but i don't have it right in

[3:01:20] Voice 7: front of me um what

[3:01:22] Voice 7: i know is that i've i've gone through the emails um trustee johnston i've had

[3:01:28] Voice 7: some emails that have gone back and forth and i reviewed my emails from the applicant and the

[3:01:32] Voice 7: applicant's attorney and um that's that's kind of the conclusion i made was okay

[3:01:39] Voice 9: it

[3:01:40] Voice 7: met the zoning

[3:01:41] Voice 7: for 17.

[3:01:43] Voice 9: okay so

[3:01:44] Trustee Johnston: i concurred it does meet the zoning but the zoning is four hectares and it

[3:01:50] Trustee Johnston: used to be four point something hectares and it did not meet it then it was the conversion to

[3:01:56] Trustee Johnston: metric that shrank the minimum by

[3:02:01] Voice 9: 0.12 hectare. Is it possible we could go back

[3:02:10] Voice 9: and

[3:02:11] Trustee Johnston: make it 10 acres, 4 point something hectares?

[3:02:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, what does it say in the bylaw? Does it say

[3:02:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): 4.1 hectares? It says

[3:02:24] Trustee Johnston: 4 hectares and in brackets 9.88 acres.

[3:02:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): Oh, then you can't unless you change

[3:02:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): change the bylaw?

[3:02:32] Trustee Johnston: That's what I meant. Can we change it? We can change it. Yes. Well,

[3:02:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): you can change it, but I don't think that would affect this application. No, it wouldn't affect

[3:02:41] Trustee Johnston: this application. I agree. This application is done under... Well, there is no application,

[3:02:47] Trustee Johnston: actually. It's not a

[3:02:52] Trustee Johnston: subdivision. It's not a strata. It's a land sharing. And they're drawing

[3:02:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): they're following the guidelines yeah yeah

[3:03:00] Voice 2: okay

[3:03:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): um yeah we are uh we're we've uh society's decided

[3:03:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's been metrified for a very long time yeah

[3:03:11] Trustee Johnston: but 4.12 hectares is is metric it's

[3:03:17] Trustee Johnston: love

[3:03:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): of

[3:03:19] Trustee Johnston: round numbers that we have oh

[3:03:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): there you are exactly right okay okay i just wanted to

[3:03:27] Trustee Johnston: say that so

[3:03:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): did you get your answer then

[3:03:30] Trustee Johnston: yeah or

[3:03:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): less yeah okay thank you

[3:03:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): so well thank you

[3:03:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): for bringing that that's an interesting little anomaly um so 11.4 now is meeting with nations

[3:03:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): um what's the uh bit of business there that you had peter

[3:03:46] Trustee Johnston: okay we we've here i could

[3:03:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): i had a brief

[3:03:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): comment on the previous oh i'm sorry there tim i missed you go ahead tim um yeah i just want to

[3:03:57] Voice 11: to say that um uh not that we're going to do it today but i'm i'm in favor of the concept of going

[3:04:06] Voice 11: back and amending that uh that land use bylaw section because in all of our discussions at

[3:04:15] Voice 11: the ltc and in the community we discussed 10 acres and uh although the fractional part may

[3:04:22] Voice 11: seem insignificant uh you know at a quick glance we've just now seen that in fact it can make a

[3:04:28] Voice 11: difference and uh so if that's something we want to consider doing in in the in the future i'm in

[3:04:35] Voice 11: support of that idea so

[3:04:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's make it five hectares while we're loving round numbers

[3:04:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): anyway the 10 acre freeze was an arbitrary number back then um in an imperial era

[3:04:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): imperial as the whole thing is but fair enough um but you'd have to put that on the projects list i

[3:05:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): think um any further discussion on that one i know i want to and just i respect the question

[3:05:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's it's worthy of consideration um meeting with nations so back to you peter johnson

[3:05:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): the

[3:05:16] Trustee Johnston: uh to um and uh he goes requested a meeting with us as soon as our last um

[3:05:25] Trustee Johnston: meeting schedule and project and whatnot went to them and that was I think a year and some months

[3:05:31] Trustee Johnston: ago and I don't know if anything has been done about that the Comox apparently asked us to meet

[3:05:38] Trustee Johnston: with them and it was in an agenda package actually the one that was just on our approved

[3:05:46] Trustee Johnston: the minutes out and I don't know if anything's happened about that so now it's asked us to meet

[3:05:52] Trustee Johnston: They sent us a letter, I think it was September 21st, and they got a response from SIPA December 17th, almost three months later.

[3:06:05] Trustee Johnston: She just recently wrote again to them and said, you know, please, we'd like to hear from you and offering capacity funding and various things.

[3:06:13] Trustee Johnston: And I just really think that we're showing, I hope unintentionally, that we're not terribly serious about meeting with First Nations, or at least I'm not seeing that we're responding quickly or directly to requests for meetings.

[3:06:30] Trustee Johnston: I'm seeing it delayed or I'm not seeing it all.

[3:06:34] Trustee Johnston: I don't know what's happened with the, about meeting, electronic meeting with La Amon, with the Hague.

[3:06:43] Trustee Johnston: And I haven't heard anything about Comox.

[3:06:46] Trustee Johnston: And when I asked Lisa about these, she just mentioned the Sana'as that she had responded, as I said, December 17th.

[3:06:54] Trustee Johnston: And again, a week or so ago.

[3:06:57] Trustee Johnston: go. So I just, I want to express concern. And I think possibly that one of the reasons is that

[3:07:04] Trustee Johnston: she has, Lisa Wilcox has way more to do than is humanly possible. And she's too busy. And I'm

[3:07:13] Trustee Johnston: sorry, it's gone to her because I don't think it takes a specialist in First Nations to say,

[3:07:19] Trustee Johnston: say thank you very much for your request but when can we meet in a very short time so that's my

[3:07:27] Voice 9: concern I mean any remarks on that from anybody else I

[3:07:39] Voice 7: can I can speak to some of that um in

[3:07:43] Voice 7: terms of the Comox um when Comox First Nation requested a meeting I did respond right away

[3:07:50] Voice 7: to their request. And then I didn't hear back. And that was, as I understood it later,

[3:07:57] Voice 7: it was their capacity, you know, it's First Nations capacity to be able to respond too.

[3:08:02] Voice 7: So I recently had an email exchange with the Comox First Nations staff,

[3:08:10] Voice 7: just to touch base again to see if they wanted to meet. And they had, they indicated that they

[3:08:17] Voice 7: were withdrawing the request for a meeting.

[3:08:20] Voice 7: So my understanding about that was that the chief and folks higher up than the staff had

[3:08:32] Voice 7: been meeting with the ministries and were satisfied with those conversations and so

[3:08:38] Voice 7: didn't feel the need to meet directly as part of that request.

[3:08:43] Voice 7: So speaking, that's about the Comox First Nations.

[3:08:48] Voice 7: My impression is that you're right.

[3:08:50] Voice 7: Lisa has more to do than she can do in the time that she's given.

[3:08:57] Voice 7: But I also understand that even responding to First Nations sometimes takes a cultural sensitivity that not all of us staff are trained in or have the full capacity to do.

[3:09:11] Voice 7: We all are doing more than is humanly possible.

[3:09:19] Voice 7: So, so we appreciate your patience on it. It's not ideal, I realize, and we don't know when the First Nation, we don't know when Sanas, for instance, is going to have capacity to respond to us, even though now we have reached out and responded. So,

[3:09:35] Voice 9: yeah, thank you.

[3:09:42] Voice 9: Can

[3:09:42] Trustee Johnston: you say anything, Heather, about the meeting with the, suggested by Hagus, Tla'am and Hagus?

[3:09:50] Trustee Johnston: i

[3:09:51] Voice 7: don't know the status of that one um

[3:09:53] Voice 9: lisa's doing that too yeah

[3:09:55] Voice 7: it is lisa yeah yeah

[3:10:01] Voice 9: so you

[3:10:02] Voice 9: know lucky

[3:10:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): or unlucky sometimes i think it's unlucky i actually get to see how busy everybody

[3:10:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): really is and the superhuman powers that planners have to sustain the uh the um the progress we'll

[3:10:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): call it on the files is amazing but you know just a bigger sort of a 10 000 foot view here

[3:10:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): we're not just talking about one ltc meeting with one nation in the northern area alone we're

[3:10:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): talking about five at least five uh close proximity local trust committees that want to

[3:10:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): meet with each one of those nations and and that's a challenge in itself and with respect to the

[3:10:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): the work that Lisa Wilcox does, she has remarkable insights and knowing beyond my capacity for sure

[3:11:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): with respect to protocol and ways of asking and ways of listening in order to advance

[3:11:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): advance our interests on a landscape of huge First Nations interests, of which our necessity for

[3:11:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): speed or the timing of the situation, our anxiety associated with getting things done,

[3:11:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): is not necessarily shared by the nation, because the nation has other interests,

[3:11:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): And in fact, much bigger and broader than just having conversations about any given island, but conversations about the entire governance of the entire Salish Sea and the entire province with respect to First Nations lands.

[3:11:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): And indeed, layered in that is all these treaty conversations, which are quite often sort of in camera, so to speak.

[3:12:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): and and so it's a matrix of moving parts that Heather indicated that these conversations

[3:12:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): happened with the ministry through treaty or through whatever conversations with ministry

[3:12:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): of forests and indeed Lisa has her fingers in all of these pies to be sure that the island's trust

[3:12:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): is represented there is going incredibly well and we've made really good progress and developing

[3:12:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): trust and understanding about who we are and what we're doing. And it will all come to pass,

[3:12:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): but it doesn't necessarily fit into our timeframe. And that I would suggest is our problem,

[3:12:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): not anybody else's. I

[3:12:42] Trustee Johnston: want to say that my concern is what appeared to me to be a long delay after

[3:12:47] Trustee Johnston: they requested a meeting for us to respond

[3:12:51] Trustee Johnston: to that. Okay. I realize it's not going to happen

[3:12:54] Trustee Johnston: on our time schedule and our wish but I think that we have an obligation to respond promptly

[3:13:01] Trustee Johnston: when asked for a meeting well

[3:13:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah and you know you're absolutely right and certainly there are

[3:13:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): probably delays um and that often is associated with this cycle the long cycle of LTC meetings

[3:13:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): in order to keep the elected informed.

[3:13:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): But it actually applies across the entire landscape

[3:13:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): of the Allen's Trust.

[3:13:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): Like policy statement submissions

[3:13:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): are not getting responses immediately

[3:13:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): because there's so many of them.

[3:13:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): And we certainly respond in batch as we can,

[3:13:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): as the questions that are asked are answered

[3:13:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): and provide the answers to everybody.

[3:13:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's so many people involved.

[3:13:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I think that the same thing applies.

[3:13:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): But I think, Heather, you've got lots to do with those superhuman powers.

[3:13:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I think the trustees are looking for some assurance that you're doing the best you can.

[3:14:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I certainly have confidence that you are.

[3:14:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think

[3:14:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): the key here is to have indicated to staff our honest and sincere commitment to want to have these meetings.

[3:14:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I think that's good.

[3:14:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): but there's no doubt that HEDS has heard that.

[3:14:27] Trustee Johnston: Sorry, if I might, I think it's really important

[3:14:29] Trustee Johnston: that the nation's requesting meeting hear that quickly,

[3:14:33] Trustee Johnston: that we're trying.

[3:14:35] Trustee Johnston: Yep.

[3:14:36] Trustee Johnston: So let's, if

[3:14:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): there's anything outstanding,

[3:14:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's get it done.

[3:14:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): And if there's anything that comes in tomorrow,

[3:14:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's try and respond accordingly.

[3:14:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): Is that all right, Peter?

[3:14:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): 11.5, we're up on that.

[3:14:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): Matt, that's essentially a video monitor question.

[3:14:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): You know, one of the speakers actually said that we were moving towards having all our meetings electronic.

[3:15:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): Actually, I would just like to say that that is simply not true.

[3:15:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): We want to come back to in-person meetings.

[3:15:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): In fact, it's just way easier and simpler for us to go to in-person meetings than any of this electronic stuff.

[3:15:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): stuff. And presently, the health pandemic, whatever you want to call it, you know, the public safety

[3:15:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): concerns outweigh our, and indeed, there are lots of people in the public that reject the idea of

[3:15:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): having meetings. And maybe Liskiti is unique, or it is unique. And maybe it wants to have all those

[3:15:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): in-person meetings and doesn't have any people concerned about any of us coming over to your

[3:15:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): Islander, but other parts of the trust area do, and it's specialized situations of delivery of

[3:15:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): service. We need to deliver service homogeneously across the trust, and I'll let, I'm speaking

[3:16:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): out of place, actually, I'll let Heather Crowder say that, if she agrees with me,

[3:16:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's not a given either um anyway uh so where are we at with that peter johnson you brought

[3:16:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): that to us what would you like to enhance here

[3:16:21] Trustee Johnston: the monitor yeah

[3:16:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): well electronic meetings you

[3:16:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): called it but the monitor is one thing for sure yeah

[3:16:28] Trustee Johnston: no that i i've dealt with that in the

[3:16:30] Trustee Johnston: trustee report tim has something he wants to say okay tim yeah

[3:16:37] Voice 10: i just uh i'm just noting here uh

[3:16:41] Voice 9: Yeah, I'm just noticing that work

[3:16:52] Voice 10: in terms of electronic meetings,

[3:16:54] Voice 11: the provincial health officer announced an order requiring employers to reactivate their COVID-19 safety plans in response to Omicron.

[3:17:06] Voice 11: Ron, so I think that speaks to, you know,

[3:17:10] Voice 11: some provincial guidelines about meeting electronically

[3:17:14] Voice 11: and keeping staff as safe as possible

[3:17:20] Voice 11: via that work safe, those regulations.

[3:17:25] Voice 11: So just for the benefit of the public

[3:17:28] Voice 11: who may not have seen that coming from the deputy minister,

[3:17:32] Voice 11: um but that is uh as of january 7th it hasn't been rescinded yet um uh so i it's understandable

[3:17:46] Voice 11: given that on the one hand we have um uh some some reopening in certain areas um it may seem

[3:17:56] Voice 11: a little confusing that we're uh sticking to uh electronic meetings at this time but that's

[3:18:02] Voice 11: that's actually coming from the deputy minister

[3:18:05] Voice 11: through WorkSafeBC to reactivate those plans for employees.

[3:18:10] Voice 11: So it is part of the provincial guidelines

[3:18:13] Voice 11: around the safety for our employees here at Islands Trust.

[3:18:16] Voice 11: I'm gonna make that clear for people that don't know.

[3:18:21] Voice 9: Yeah, thank you.

[3:18:25] Voice 9: Trustee Johnson, did you have anything further?

[3:18:32] Voice 9: Not on this question, I just correspondence I have.

[3:18:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[3:18:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. I was just taking a moment there, and my internet is obviously not fast enough.

[3:18:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): I frequently go to the British Columbia COVID-19 dashboard to figure out what we're doing for

[3:18:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): numbers, and the numbers are huge. So 1,400 new cases today, and that's almost 1,000 people

[3:18:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): people hospitalized, 139 critical care, 19 new deaths.

[3:19:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): Managing our freedoms and protecting society

[3:19:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): and our healthcare system is a very difficult balance.

[3:19:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): And we just have to do the best we can.

[3:19:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I think all of us wanna come back

[3:19:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): to having in-person meetings as soon as we can,

[3:19:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): but at the moment it's just not safe broadly um okay so then let us move on then uh through

[3:19:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): reports here um unless there's something else no so trust conservancy report dated november 23rd

[3:19:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): sorry yes sir

[3:19:55] Trustee Johnston: i i wanted to say something about correspondence is that not on this

[3:20:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): Oh, sorry, we passed over that. That was earlier. I did touch on correspondence earlier,

[3:20:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we don't have any on today's agenda. We had some late items, I think I said.

[3:20:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): What would you like to speak to on the correspondence?

[3:20:14] Trustee Johnston: The agenda packages have always said for correspondence, see the webpage.

[3:20:19] Trustee Johnston: Yes.

[3:20:20] Trustee Johnston: There is no correspondence page on the Liskety webpages. At least if there is, I cannot find it.

[3:20:28] Trustee Johnston: I would like to have been able to go back and look at the correspondence from the parliament about the possible meeting,

[3:20:37] Trustee Johnston: who found correspondence from the Comox, and again to refer to the correspondence from the Stalnaas asking for a meeting.

[3:20:45] Trustee Johnston: I think that the request from Kathy Rogers, or the statement that she sent us last meeting

[3:20:55] Trustee Johnston: about not having electronic meetings,

[3:20:57] Trustee Johnston: about meeting on Luskete.

[3:20:59] Trustee Johnston: And the other pieces of correspondence

[3:21:00] Trustee Johnston: should all be on a correspondence page,

[3:21:04] Trustee Johnston: especially things that are not,

[3:21:06] Trustee Johnston: I mean, that's true for the projects.

[3:21:08] Trustee Johnston: There's all that correspondence,

[3:21:09] Trustee Johnston: but the general correspondence,

[3:21:11] Trustee Johnston: the implication it's available and it's not available,

[3:21:15] Trustee Johnston: or at least not easily.

[3:21:17] Trustee Johnston: And I would like to propose that we ask staff

[3:21:21] Trustee Johnston: to set up a correspondence page

[3:21:23] Trustee Johnston: and make sure that every communication to the Liskiti Local Trust Committee is posted on that

[3:21:28] Trustee Johnston: page and available to everyone.

[3:21:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think we need some clarity here. I've just gone to the

[3:21:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Liskiti page here looking for correspondence on there, but I had the impression there was,

[3:21:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): and it's actually projects, and the correspondence would be under projects. But can you help us out

[3:21:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): with the clarity on this um heather yeah

[3:21:58] Voice 7: so your agenda says that correspond and it's a note under

[3:22:03] Voice 7: item 10 which is correspondence which is your standing item so that says correspondence

[3:22:08] Voice 7: received concerning current applications or projects as posted to the ltc web page

[3:22:14] Voice 7: um i actually think there's there is a point there in this in the sense that we don't we don't post

[3:22:21] Voice 7: every single application that we receive to the website we actually only post development variance

[3:22:26] Voice 7: permits and bylaw amendments so the correspondence regarding those applications would be up on the

[3:22:35] Voice 7: website regarding the projects would be I think we've had con we've had conversations about

[3:22:41] Voice 7: posting all of the correspondence and we just simply don't have the website capacity or the

[3:22:48] Voice 7: staffing capacity to accommodate that. You know, the correspondence that goes to the LTC

[3:22:54] Voice 7: gets emailed to you and it gets posted to your agendas. And in the sense that the correspondence

[3:23:02] Voice 7: is attached to agendas and agenda packages are on the website, in that sense, all of the

[3:23:10] Voice 7: correspondence is getting posted to the website as part of an agenda package. But we don't have

[3:23:15] Voice 7: a separate page for correspondence and it's just it would be um you know not feasible for us to

[3:23:22] Voice 7: post every single piece of correspondence to the website in that way in the way that i think i'm

[3:23:26] Voice 7: hearing you want to want it and

[3:23:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): i've just gone to the website here and indeed under the ocp project

[3:23:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): there's a item seven public correspondence and so all of the correspondence associated with that

[3:23:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): project is going there um and uh current applications just going to go have a look there

[3:23:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): um and uh yeah there's probably less or no correspondence associated there

[3:23:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): but they would that correspondence would end up in the agenda package when the report was brought to

[3:24:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): us by that nature it would be so i you know certainly there's probably room for improvement

[3:24:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): there, that would be a direction that would have to go all the way up the chain to the

[3:24:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): up to the and in fact, it may already be under consideration because of course, there's a budget

[3:24:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): request for updates to the website that I can't commit to that, but may or may not include

[3:24:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): some of those things that have been identified as missing or not functional in the current version

[3:24:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): of the webpage. Do you have any remarks on that?

[3:24:42] Voice 7: I'm not aware of that one.

[3:24:46] Trustee Johnston: It's true that a good deal of our correspondence is attached to an agenda package, but by no means

[3:24:53] Trustee Johnston: all of it. The correspondence from Flynn Road was not. The correspondence from Comox Nation was not.

[3:24:59] Trustee Johnston: not. The correspondence from ordinary Leskete people and other citizens is not, generally.

[3:25:11] Trustee Johnston: And I think it should be. I think it's not just available publicly, but simply and easily

[3:25:19] Trustee Johnston: available. And chronologically is a very good way to do that. Where up the chain would I ask for

[3:25:27] Trustee Johnston: for this?

[3:25:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): This would end up in a trust programs,

[3:25:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): trust area services.

[3:25:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): So if you wanted to enact something along those lines

[3:25:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): locally here, then I would suggest that you ask staff

[3:25:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): and just leave it at that staff to consider adding

[3:25:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): a more fulsome correspondence section to LTC pages,

[3:25:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): something along that line.

[3:25:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): RPM coward, does that sound more or less right?

[3:25:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): Right. Yeah. And then

[3:25:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): that Heather would simply then take that past that up to trust.

[3:26:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): It

[3:26:03] Trustee Johnston: would work for me if it was just listed SNONOS correspondence on such and such agenda package, such and such on page 49 or whatever it is, that would work.

[3:26:14] Trustee Johnston: It doesn't need to. Everything doesn't need to be posted two or three times, but there needs to be an index to the correspondence that's received, at least to my mind.

[3:26:25] Trustee Johnston: Thank you.

[3:26:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think creating the index is probably the issue because there's a lot of labor involved in that, especially if it's cross-indexed to something else, then it's multidimensional.

[3:26:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): And having done work in that field in my past, it's vastly time-consuming, whereas just throwing it into an inbox would be way easier.

[3:26:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): But then you'd have to wade through, and I do it all the time with other things, you have to wade through hundreds of pieces of correspondence to find the item you're interested in.

[3:26:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I think that that, in a nutshell, is what Heather said, is the complexity associated with it is difficult.

[3:27:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): You know, in the old days, right, and it's interesting to think, right,

[3:27:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): and if you walk into an office and said, I'd like to see the correspondence associated with this file.

[3:27:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): And they'd go to get it, photocopy it, charge you for the photocopying, and off you go.

[3:27:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): Now, in the electronic world, we expect everything and anything to be available.

[3:27:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): You know, we actually have one of those Alexa boxes here.

[3:27:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): and my wife tells it asks it questions that it goes i don't understand that question and that's

[3:27:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): sort of where we're at it's it's a guise of modern technology that actually doesn't really work

[3:27:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): anyway hope you enjoy my humor um so peter did you want to make a motion to that effect

[3:27:45] Trustee Johnston: no no thank you i'll just i'll write to heather okay

[3:27:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): um that's what you want to do that's fine

[3:27:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): um so then um i think that completes that so this then brings us to applications report

[3:28:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): dated january the 31st that's there for information um is that current uh regional

[3:28:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): planning manager yeah are there any

[3:28:09] Voice 9: questions trustees and your microphone is off peter if

[3:28:19] Voice 9: you're saying something no okay i'm not

[3:28:23] Voice 9: it's

[3:28:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): hard to say no when your microphone's off there we go

[3:28:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I'll move on then.

[3:28:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): Local trustees expense report dated December, 2021.

[3:28:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): Obviously our year is coming to an end here fairly quickly.

[3:28:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): So that's a projection on our budget at this time,

[3:28:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): at that time.

[3:28:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): Assigned adopted policies and standing resolutions.

[3:28:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's there for information about

[3:28:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): so you can anticipate with respect to items

[3:28:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): as they advance.

[3:28:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): Local trust committee webpage that kind of ties

[3:28:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): into what we were just talking about.

[3:28:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): And those superhuman capabilities that all of our staff have include management of the website.

[3:29:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm going to go to the work program section 13.

[3:29:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): Those are our top priorities on page 189, 190.

[3:29:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): And that's there for information unless you're wanting to change it up.

[3:29:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): And our projects list requires a bunch more superhuman people to support us with.

[3:29:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): and I'll just ask if there's anything else you want to add to that list or take off of that list

[3:29:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): taking off would be good it would make certain people happy no okay no takers upcoming meeting

[3:29:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): our next meeting is scheduled for Monday April the 11th 2022 now I think we decided that we're

[3:29:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): going to bring the bylaws back to that meeting, April, and so for the bylaws fees bylaw.

[3:30:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): And hopefully that will get resolved at that time.

[3:30:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): So there's no need for a special meeting, which was voiced earlier.

[3:30:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so if there's nothing further, then just get a motion to go in camera.

[3:30:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): We have a fairly simple camera agenda in front of us.

[3:30:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): Broken

[3:30:21] Trustee Johnston: up voice again.

[3:30:23] Trustee Johnston: I'd like to go back to the applications report.

[3:30:27] Trustee Johnston: And the last one, the KGL temporary use permit,

[3:30:32] Trustee Johnston: it's been a very long time since anything happened on that.

[3:30:37] Trustee Johnston: Is there an update about it?

[3:30:41] Trustee Johnston: It was just assigned, I think, and nothing has happened.

[3:30:44] Trustee Johnston: Is it still current, the use of the property above the hotel?

[3:30:52] Voice 7: The report is current.

[3:30:54] Voice 7: I don't have any updates other than what's on the applications page.

[3:31:01] Trustee Johnston: Okay.

[3:31:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): Mayor Mrakas, Thank you okay um and that's not necessarily is that is that stuck in our workflow or set up to the applicant to proceed it's i'm not sure I

[3:31:15] Voice 7: can double check for you and get back to you on it, if you'd like yeah

[3:31:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): and want to acknowledge that you've only just recently we hired some positions there and i'm really grateful for that news.

[3:31:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): Mayor Mrakas, And.

[3:31:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): Mayor Mrakas, You keep doing the best you can so i'll get a motion to go in camera.

[3:31:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): if you're ready to do that and it's

[3:31:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): on sorry where

[3:31:40] Trustee Johnston: is it it's

[3:31:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): on your agenda package um on the last

[3:31:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): page on the agenda page itself

[3:31:45] Trustee Johnston: because it

[3:31:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): needs to be done in a particular way

[3:31:49] Voice 9: yes my

[3:31:55] Voice 2: dear i move

[3:32:08] Voice 9: that

[3:32:09] Trustee Johnston: the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the community charter part 4

[3:32:13] Trustee Johnston: division 3 section 91d for the purpose of considering the option of in-camera

[3:32:19] Trustee Johnston: meeting minutes dated April 26, 2021, and that the recorder and staff attend the meeting.

[3:32:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): All

[3:32:29] Voice 9: right, moved. Do I have a

[3:32:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): seconder? Trustee

[3:32:30] Voice 9: Peterson? Yep.

[3:32:35] Voice 10: Call vote on that.

[3:32:36] Voice 10: I have a question, which is the in-camera minutes that we're considering, I did not see them.

[3:32:56] Voice 9: They

[3:32:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): were a Word document separate from the agenda, which was a little unusual.

[3:33:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): Sorry,

[3:33:03] Voice 9: and is that included in an email?

[3:33:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's on WebDAV?

[3:33:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's on WebDAV, yeah, for sure, because I've got it up on my screen here.

[3:33:12] Voice 10: Okay, I'm on WebDAV.

[3:33:14] Voice 10: Oh, hold on a moment.

[3:33:19] Voice 10: Draft April 26th?

[3:33:22] Voice 9: Is that correct?

[3:33:23] Voice 9: That's correct, yep.

[3:33:24] Voice 10: Yep.

[3:33:29] Voice 9: So let us go to the in-camera meeting,

[3:33:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): unless there's something else you wanted to add

[3:33:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): to the meeting. And that would be tricky because you'd have to know the section to quote.

[3:33:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): All for the vote to go in-camera. All those in favor? I'm assuming that carries. Thank you,

[3:33:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): Tim. That carries. So now we're going to go in-camera. And before we proceed,

[3:33:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): I need the recording stopped.

ADOPTED 
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February 7, 2022 
 
Lasqueti Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date: 
Location: 
February 7, 2022 
Electronic Meeting 
 
Members Present: Peter Luckham, Chair 
 Peter Johnston, Local Trustee 
 Timothy Peterson, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Heather Kauer, Regional Planning Manager 
 Dave Olsen, Recorder 
 
Others Present: Regional Director Andrew Fall 
There were three (3) members of the public in attendance 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Luckham called the meeting to order at 10:03 am. He acknowledged that the meeting was 
being held in territory of the Coast Salish First Nations and introduced the Trustees and staff. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
The following additions to the agenda were presented for consideration: 
11.3 Safe Island Land Alliance 
11.4 Meetings with First Nations 
11.5 Electronic Meetings 
By general consent the agenda was adopted as amended. 
3. REPORTS 
3.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Johnston reported: 
 The Lasqueti Archaeology Project is planning on some spring events and will focus 
on low tides to map existing sites and noted that more culturally modified trees 
have been found on island. 
 He attended last month’s Special Meeting from the Health Centre, which no longer 
has a functional projection screen. 
 He would like to request that a large monitor be purchased so that people without 
telephone or Internet access could attend. 
o Staff advised that the LTC could request a monitor, but then the Islands Trust 
would have to offer them to every LTC and storage would have to be 
considered. 

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February 7, 2022 
o The Chair advised that the situation is in flux and speculated that the use of a 
screen could be added to the rental fee of the Health Centre. 
o Staff noted that if two or more Trustees are attending remotely, then a staff 
person has to be present for the public to attend the meeting. 
o Trustees added: 
 That the Health Centre would not be the official location of the meeting; 
the official location would be Gabriola Island. 
 They are concerned about dropping a borrowed monitor.  
 They will advise the JFC to increase their rent in order to provide a screen, 
since Audio Visual equipment has not been officially part of the rental. 
Trustee Peterson reported: 
 That he is continuing to hear from the public that they would like us to get back to 
in-person meetings as soon as possible. 
 He is also getting a lot of questions about Provincial water licensing requirements. 
 He is registered for the Salish Sea Ecosystem Conference in April. 
 He has many Islands Trust Committee meetings coming up. 
3.2 Chair's Report 
The Chair reported: 
 The Islands Trust budget for the next fiscal year is in the public consultation phase 
and will advance to Trust Council on March 8, 9 and 10 in Nanaimo. 
 Expecting the governance review report soon to advise on how to improve on the 
Islands Trust Preserve and Protect mandate. 
 The Guiding Principles document of Islands Trust is going out for extensive public 
consultation. 
3.3 Electoral Area Director's Report 
Director Fall reported: 
 Local postal service has been disrupted since the end of November; a temporary 
service is to begin today in the Health Centre with a temporary Postmaster. 
 He acknowledged that over 10,000 kg of beach debris was cleaned up this past 
summer on Lasqueti and the surrounding islands. 
 qathet Regional District (qRD) put forth a resolution to the province to ban the use 
of polystyrene in the Salish Sea. 
 In November, the Vancouver Island Regional Library decided to eliminate all late 
fees, since the recovery of fines was found to be negligible. 
 In January, he attended a Lasqueti ferry committee meeting and noted that ferry 
capacity is reduced when crewing levels are reduced.  
 Regarding the Shoreline protection bylaw item in today’s agenda package, he hopes 
that the qRD mapping results will be available soon. 
4. TOWN HALL 
A member of the public spoke as a representative of the Lasqueti Cannabis Corporation, which is 
now at the point of building on island.  She was informed this week that they did not have an 
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(IT) Bylaw Officer, Warren Dingman, informed her that the language she used, “grandfathered 
in,” is racist. 
She asked for two things from LTC: 
1. We all have grandfathers and our fight against colonialism is largely that they took away 
what our grandfathers did.  She wants to know if that term is appropriate so that people 
do not go away feeling like they are being called a racist. 
2. She also wants IT to restate that they are aware of this facility; her corporation has 
spent about a million dollars and it is disconcerting to be told that the IT will decide if it 
is legal. 
The Chair advised that legal, non-conforming is a better term to use than grandfathering and 
thanked the speaker for bringing the racist aspects of that term to our attention.  If an activity 
was legal at one time and the bylaw changes, the activity remains legal. 
Staff advised that they could ask them to demonstrate activity before the bylaw change. 
Trustees added the following: 
 Bylaw enforcement does decide whether to send the enforcement to the LTC, which then 
decides whether or not to send it to the Executive Committee, which ultimately makes the 
decision to take court action or not. 
 Previous Trustees wrote a letter of support for this project. 
A member of the public addressed the LTC and the following was noted: 
 Regarding the grandfather definition, the definition used in Louisiana in the 1800s is not 
relevant to Lasqueti. 
 By averaging the cost for processing fees in the fee bylaw does not seem fair if our costs go 
up and Salt Spring’s go down; our fees should reflect our lower cost. 
 Strong objection to this move to electronic meetings; it is isolating the LTC from the public 
and there is a near unanimous outcry against this.  Even people that do not attend 
meetings are against it.   
 The requirement to have information preapproved is a tool of dictatorships; the Chair can 
always cut people off if something inappropriate is said. 
 Ministry of Agriculture (MoA) held an inter-departmental meeting; according to that 
meeting, the sheep on Lasqueti are considered “escaped domestic sheep”, they must be 
specifically designated as feral and that has not been done. 
 “Exotic” is another term that the MoA has defined and which is not appropriate for the 
sheep on Lasqueti.  They are neither feral nor exotic and these terms should not be used in 
our OCP. 
 Staff announced that this meeting had been changed, from an in-person meeting to an 
electronic meeting and that the time was changed from 11am to 10am, three working days 
before the meeting; the LTC voted to authorize these changes two working days before this 
meeting. 
 He questioned whether this meeting was lawfully convened. 
The Chair acknowledged the question and asked staff to respond. 
Staff advised that the Meeting Procedures Bylaw had to be adopted prior to the meeting and 
that there is no requirement for posting meeting information in advance of meetings. 

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The Chair stated that the meeting is in process and will continue. 
Trustees noted that anyone who goes to the Health Centre has reason to complain and that 
some folks may have missed the first part of the meeting. 
5. MINUTES 
5.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes dated October 4, 2021 - for adoption 
By general consent, the minutes of the Lasqueti Local Trust Committee Meeting of 
October 4, 2021 were adopted. 
5.2 Local Trust Committee Special Meeting Minutes dated January 20, 2022 - for adoption 
By general consent, the minutes of the Lasqueti Local Trust Committee Meeting of 
January 20, 2022 were adopted. 
5.3 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting Report dated January 31, 2022 
Received. 
5.4 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes dated July 27, 2021 - for receipt 
Received. 
The Chair thanked Susan Morrison for her work on the APC. 
6. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
6.1 Follow-up Action List dated January 31, 2022 
Trustees queried staff and the following was noted: 
 Is there any update regarding “4. Staff to review FLNRORD's comments and get 
SIPAs comments on Crown Lands and reconciliation regarding the OCP bylaw No. 
98”? 
 Trustees have not received anything from FLNRORD. 
 The public wishes to keep these policies in the Official Community Plan.   
 Can we ask Director Marlor to attend the next meeting and explain FLNRORD’s 
position? 
Staff can make this request without a motion. 
6.2 Model Fees Bylaw Update - Staff Report 
Staff introduced the item and noted that they were asked to draft this model fees 
bylaw. 
 
The Chair noted that one of the speakers during Town Hall rejected the Development 
Permit Area (DPA) idea. 
Staff noted that this would be a placeholder; a future LTC could create them at a later 
date. 
Trustees responded and the following was noted: 
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 There have been two attempts in the past to create DPAs.   
 There was a huge swell of opposition from the public. 
 What is the difference between Development Variance Permits (DVP) and DPAs? 
 Regarding Permit #13, related to applications with community benefit, a fee of 
$1,000 seems high, because the fee can only be adjusted by 20%. 
 Are there any actuals that we can access to make available to the public? 
o Staff: yes 
Staff responded and the following was noted: 
o A copy of the bylaw is not included in the agenda package because only the fees 
were being brought forward for adjustment. 
o DPAs and DVPs are different; DVPs do not have anything to do with DPAs.  DVPs 
are related to zoning.  
o It does make sense to remove #17 and #18 because without DPAs they are not 
relevant. 
o Other LTCs have removed #13 and staff recommends removing it. 
Trustees noted the following: 
 If #13 was removed, then all projects would fall into #12, which has even higher 
fees instead of making the fee lower. 
 This needs to be deferred to another meeting. 
 We want to see the actual costs of processing applications for Lasqueti before 
making any changes. 
Staff advised: 
o That there is not good data for the actual cost of processing applications.   
o Staff collected that data for three months last year but that is the only data 
available. 
o That the word “average” reflects the actual cost of processing applications. 
o This is an attempt to move more of the cost from the general taxpayer to the 
applicant. 
LA-2022-008 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Lasqueti Island Local Trust Committee request staff to remove from Table 2 of 
Bylaw 99, Items 1-8 and items 17 and 18 and to bring a report back to our next meeting. 
CARRIED 
7. APPLICATIONS, REFERRALS AND BYLAWS 
7.1 Gambier Island Local Trust Committee Request for Referral Response - Bylaw Nos. 153 
and 154 - for decision 
Staff explained that the Gabriola LTC is proposing to adopt a Shoreline Development 
Permit Area. 
LA-2022-009 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Lasqueti Island Local Trust Committee advised that their interests are not 
affected by this bylaw. 

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CARRIED 
The Chair recessed the meeting at 11:54am and reconvened the meeting at 12:32pm. 
Staff introduced the item and the following was noted: 
o The application does not meet the minimum requirements as outlined in the Local 
Government Act and the Lasqueti Island Land Use Bylaw. 
o Staff recommends waiving this minimum requirement. 
Trustees suggested that they expand the 10m access to the 20m minimum. 
Rachel Hamling, speaking on behalf of the applicant, advised that they could flare out 
the frontage to accommodate the minimum. 
The Chair noted that the LTC would still be required to waive the minimum requirement 
of 10%. 
Staff advised that they could work with the applicant to revise the application and 
suggested that the LTC make a motion to waive this requirement today. 
LA-2022-010 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the Lasqueti Island Local Trust Committee waive the 10% highway frontage 
requirement, but retain the minimum 20 metre highway frontage requirement. 
CARRIED 
8. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
8.1 Lasqueti Island Official Community Plan (OCP) Comprehensive Review - Proposed 
Bylaw No. 98 – Memorandum 
Staff introduced the item and the following was noted: 
o Snaw-na-as First Nation requested that the LTC not move forward with the OCP 
until a meeting was held with them. 
o There has been no response to our letter asking for a date to meet. 
o The staff report memo outlines the comments that we have received with 
recommendations from staff. 
o “Neutral” means that staff has no objection to the recommendation. 
o Some recommendations are considered problematic if the document is updated in 
the recommended way. 
o Staff does not expect the LTC to make any motions today. 
The Chair advised that he is content to receive the report and wait for a meeting. 
Trustees continued the discussion and the following was noted: 
 How important is it to finish the OCP Review before the end of this term? 
 Would like to spend time to get this as good as it can be before the next term. 
 Would like to move forward but there are new factors that we had not expected.   
 Important to get it right rather than to get it done by a specific date. 
 Noted that the numbering system has change and that it would be better if we all 
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Staff advised that second reading was given to a previous version and that the current 
version will be made more available. 
9. DELEGATIONS - none 
10. CORRESPONDENCE 
The Chair recognized that there was late correspondence received after the deadline. 
Trustees noted the following: 
 That the agenda package directs the reader to the webpage for correspondence but it does 
not seem to appear there.   
 All correspondence is not easily available.  
 Much of the correspondence is not related to applications and projects.   
 A chronological ordering of correspondence would be appropriate. 
 Would like to ask staff to set up a correspondence page so that it is available to everyone. 
Staff advised that correspondence related to applications and projects is posted, but 
correspondence beyond that is not done due to staffing and website capacity limits.  
Correspondence is included in agenda packages so in that way it is posted to the website. 
The Chair noted that there is room for improvement but it would need to go all the way up the 
chain and may be in progress.  He also noted that the complexity is significant. 
11. NEW BUSINESS 
11.1 Natural Area Protection Tax Exemption Program (NAPTEP) - Livingstone Forest 
NAPTEP Covenant - Information Item – Memorandum 
  Received. 
11.2 Shoreline Protection Model Bylaw Report - Briefing - for information 
The Chair advised that this came from Trust Council and is received for information. 
11.3 Safe Island Land Alliance 
Trustee Johnston introduced the item and the following was noted: 
 He has a concern that the land was listed as 160.8 acres and that the minimum land 
requirement per residence is 10 acres, but he has since learned that the developer 
now wishes to put 17 dwellings on the property. 
 The conversion to metric changed the minimum to 4 hectares, which is less than 10 
acres.     
 He would like to revert the bylaw back to a full 10 acres. 
Staff responded and the following was noted: 
o Advised that the number of residences allowed for that parcel is 17. 
o She believes there is a misunderstanding about the amount of land available 
there, but does not have the information regarding how much land is involved. 
Trustees noted that it is the conversion to hectares, which allows this development to 
have 17 dwellings and that they would like to amend the LUB to accurately reflect what 
all discussions in the community are based on, which is 10 acres or 4.2 ha. 

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11.4 Meeting with First Nations 
Trustee Johnston introduced this item and the following was noted: 
 A Tla’amin Hegus requested a meeting with us over a year ago. 
 The K’omoks First Nation has asked to meet with us. 
 The Snaw-na-as First Nation sent us a letter in September but our first reply was not 
sent until December.   
 He is worried that our responses are not timely. 
Staff responded and the following was noted: 
o The K’omoks request was responded to quickly, but she understands that the 
K’omoks First Nation’s capacity is limited.   
o A recent email exchange indicated that their request for a meeting has been 
withdrawn. 
o Noted that Lisa Wilcox, Senior Intergovernmental Policy Advisor, has more work 
than she has capacity.   
o We do not know when the Snaw-na-as First Nation will be able to respond.   
o Lisa Wilcox is also dealing with the Tla’amin request. 
The Chair noted that we are making good progress. 
11.5 Electronic Meeting Equipment 
The Chair advised that the IT does not want to move to all electronic meetings.  Health 
measures prevent us from doing this.  We need to deliver service homogenously across 
the Trust area. 
12. REPORTS 
12.1 Trust Conservancy Report dated November 23, 2021 
  Received. 
12.2 Applications Report dated January 31, 2022 
  Received. 
12.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated December, 2021 
  Received. 
12.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
  Received. 
12.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
  Received. 
13. WORK PROGRAM 
13.1 Top Priorities Report dated January 31, 2022 
  Received. 
13.2 Projects List Report dated January 31, 2022 

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14. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
14.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Monday, April 11, 2022  
15. CLOSED MEETING 
15.1 Motion to Close the Meeting 
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It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter, 
Part 4, Division 3, s.90(1) (d) for the purpose of considering adoption of In-Camera 
Meeting Minutes dated April 26, 2021 and that the recorder and staff attend the 
meeting. 
CARRIED 
15.2 Recall to Order - none 
16. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 1:45 pm. 
 
 
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Peter Luckham, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
 
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Dave Olsen, Recorder