Islands Trust Council regular meeting, February 9, 2022

[0:00:00] Trustee Busheikin: and unceded and treaty territories of many First Nations

[0:00:04] Trustee Busheikin: and that we're very grateful

[0:00:07] Trustee Busheikin: for the privilege and pleasure of living here.

[0:00:10] Trustee Busheikin: And we keep the responsibilities

[0:00:14] Trustee Busheikin: and opportunities associated with that in our mind,

[0:00:17] Trustee Busheikin: in all our work.

[0:00:20] Trustee Busheikin: We have an agenda here before us.

[0:00:24] Trustee Busheikin: Are there any changes or additions?

[0:00:31] Trustee Busheikin: okay seeing none and i'm going to this especially because i've got a lot of people on my screen

[0:00:36] Trustee Busheikin: i'm going to ask that we use the electronic hands um for speaking and voting uh you know but if i'm

[0:00:46] Trustee Busheikin: not seeing your hand and you can't get it to work please ignore my dog just put your hand kind of

[0:00:52] Trustee Busheikin: in front of your camera and wave and if you're on the phone or not visible and you can't get to just

[0:00:57] Trustee Busheikin: just butt in because that's how we have to do it.

[0:01:01] Trustee Busheikin: And we will use the electronic ads for voting too.

[0:01:05] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[0:01:06] Trustee Busheikin: So then we will approve the agenda as presented.

[0:01:12] Trustee Busheikin: And there, I just had to yell at my dog.

[0:01:18] Trustee Busheikin: Zoom meetings.

[0:01:20] Trustee Busheikin: Do we have any members of the public here?

[0:01:25] Trustee Busheikin: Not, oh, maybe.

[0:01:26] Trustee Busheikin: You do.

[0:01:27] Voice 16: There's at least one.

[0:01:28] Trustee Busheikin: okay um so then um because we do have public comment period so would any member of the public

[0:01:34] Trustee Busheikin: care to comment and i'm not sure technically how that happens i've

[0:01:44] Voice 16: given her

[0:01:45] Voice 16: the opportunity to

[0:01:46] Voice 16: unmute there's only one person yeah

[0:01:48] Voice 16: okay

[0:01:50] Trustee Busheikin: um so not hearing uh any interest from the public um

[0:01:55] Trustee Busheikin: but thank you for attending and uh taking an interest in what we do here so let's carry on

[0:02:01] Trustee Busheikin: on then uh we have correspondence from trustee right would anyone um this is here i think for

[0:02:08] Trustee Busheikin: you know to make sure that it's noted and give us an opportunity to just discuss it if anyone

[0:02:13] Trustee Busheikin: would like to uh go ahead uh trustee longer is yeah

[0:02:19] Voice 1: i wonder whether or not we should just

[0:02:20] Voice 1: consider that in in the package related to the topic um there

[0:02:27] Voice 1: are some questions in there that

[0:02:28] Voice 1: that may be worth talking about?

[0:02:31] Trustee Busheikin: Sure, that's one way,

[0:02:33] Trustee Busheikin: but let's just see if anyone else has anything

[0:02:36] Trustee Busheikin: to add right now.

[0:02:37] Trustee Busheikin: So Trustee Patrick.

[0:02:40] Trustee Patrick: I did call a point of order

[0:02:42] Trustee Patrick: when I first saw this correspondence

[0:02:44] Trustee Patrick: because Trustee Wright,

[0:02:46] Trustee Patrick: just like everyone had an opportunity

[0:02:47] Trustee Patrick: to debate at Trust Council

[0:02:48] Trustee Patrick: and chose to debate after Trust Council via writing.

[0:02:52] Trustee Patrick: I also find some of the language offensive in here.

[0:02:55] Trustee Patrick: He's stating what I believe,

[0:02:56] Trustee Patrick: which i think is inappropriate um so that's just my comments okay

[0:03:04] Trustee Busheikin: thank you um i mean i did put it

[0:03:07] Trustee Busheikin: on the agenda because i believe it was correspondence to us and there wasn't a good

[0:03:12] Trustee Busheikin: reason to leave it off of the agenda it wasn't in my mind libelous or um you know name calling but

[0:03:22] Trustee Busheikin: but we can, your comments are duly noted.

[0:03:26] Trustee Busheikin: And if no one has any other comments,

[0:03:29] Trustee Busheikin: I would just carry on and, you know,

[0:03:31] Trustee Busheikin: anyone can refer to it at any time in anything we're doing.

[0:03:35] Trustee Busheikin: So, I don't know if you're hearing my dog.

[0:03:39] Trustee Busheikin: She's just in a mood with my cat.

[0:03:41] Trustee Busheikin: There's going to be fighting here.

[0:03:44] Trustee Busheikin: Hopefully not.

[0:03:45] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, so moving on then 6.1,

[0:03:47] Trustee Busheikin: we have minutes here, two sets of minutes.

[0:03:50] Trustee Busheikin: So if there's typos or small details, just contact staff.

[0:03:55] Trustee Busheikin: But otherwise, does anyone have any substantial changes to the minutes?

[0:04:02] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, not seeing any hands going up, then I would suggest that we approve these minutes by general consent.

[0:04:11] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, thank you.

[0:04:13] Trustee Busheikin: Then carrying on, we've got the follow-up, well, resolutions without meeting, we have none.

[0:04:17] Trustee Busheikin: and we have the follow-up action list on page 15 of the package and I would invite staff

[0:04:27] Trustee Busheikin: oh and I should have just mentioned at the beginning maybe everyone knows this that

[0:04:32] Trustee Busheikin: director Marler had some personal things he had to attend to and isn't here so we have our regional

[0:04:38] Trustee Busheikin: planning manager Robert Kojima filling in for him and I

[0:04:42] Trustee Busheikin: know he's been in touch with David and

[0:04:44] Trustee Busheikin: is here for us so thanks for jumping in uh robert to fill that gap uh so for the follow-up action

[0:04:51] Trustee Busheikin: list do you or any other staff members have any additional comments or anything you want to point

[0:04:56] Trustee Busheikin: to nothing

[0:04:58] Voice 11: additional in david's absence there's not much really that i can add okay

[0:05:03] Trustee Busheikin: um any comments

[0:05:07] Trustee Busheikin: or questions

[0:05:07] Voice 7: from uh committee members okay seeing none uh that's

[0:05:17] Trustee Busheikin: good it's a good um

[0:05:20] Trustee Busheikin: tool the follow-up action list so let's carry on uh to business work program items

[0:05:26] Trustee Busheikin: fresh water sustainability strategy uh a verbal update about moving ahead staff moving ahead

[0:05:34] Trustee Busheikin: with creating policy uh to back up this strategy and i believe we might hear from uh planner

[0:05:43] Trustee Busheikin: chadwick about this yeah

[0:05:44] Voice 11: we got narissa here to um speak to this item floor

[0:05:48] Voice 20: yeah hi there um yeah

[0:05:52] Voice 20: so basically um you know we're we'll be moving forward uh to get the the freshwater strategy um

[0:05:59] Voice 20: um uh graphically designed and so forth that was in the business plan um that was supported um by

[0:06:08] Voice 20: trust council um and then also in um we got so two resolutions i think that would um support moving

[0:06:17] Voice 20: forward with um the policy uh document development and um and options for implementation of the

[0:06:26] Voice 20: freshwater strategy. So I think that basically staff are just looking for direction to move

[0:06:35] Voice 20: forward and come back with a policy document and also a report that'll identify options for

[0:06:44] Voice 20: implementation.

[0:06:47] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, thank you. I'm going to open the floor for any questions or comments

[0:06:51] Trustee Busheikin: and if there aren't any we can go someone can put that motion um on the table okay i'm not seeing

[0:07:01] Trustee Busheikin: any questions or comments but i have one um if we go ahead with this motion um there's still the

[0:07:07] Trustee Busheikin: question uh later in the meeting that we're going to be looking at uh you know our work program for

[0:07:13] Trustee Busheikin: the rest of the term really uh 8.2 and from my understanding there's probably more uh ideas for

[0:07:23] Trustee Busheikin: for work than can be done.

[0:07:24] Trustee Busheikin: So how can this, like if we make this motion

[0:07:30] Trustee Busheikin: and then later in the meeting where we're setting priorities

[0:07:33] Trustee Busheikin: I assume we can add this into the priorities at that point

[0:07:37] Trustee Busheikin: if there's things we feel are more pressing.

[0:07:41] Voice 11: Yeah, go ahead, Robert.

[0:07:43] Voice 11: Yeah, you may just wanna hold off on this resolution

[0:07:46] Voice 11: until you get to that section of the agenda

[0:07:50] Voice 11: and consider it holistically or comprehensively

[0:07:53] Voice 11: with the other strategic items okay

[0:07:57] Trustee Busheikin: um or could we pass this motion and then just talk about so

[0:08:03] Trustee Busheikin: where it fits priority wise when we get to 8.2 certainly

[0:08:08] Voice 11: yes i

[0:08:10] Trustee Busheikin: think i'd like to do that just

[0:08:12] Trustee Busheikin: because i i can't imagine that we don't well we'll see but i can't imagine that we don't

[0:08:18] Trustee Busheikin: want this work to go forward at some point in the fairly near future um so i assuming there's

[0:08:26] Trustee Busheikin: someone out there who feels the same way i would invite someone to put the the motion on the table

[0:08:31] Trustee Busheikin: it's in the it's not in the package but isn't it no i i

[0:08:36] Voice 20: have i have two motions uh drafted maybe

[0:08:38] Voice 20: what

[0:08:38] Trustee Busheikin: else okay i

[0:08:40] Voice 20: cannot send them to robert because

[0:08:43] Trustee Busheikin: there's one in the package um so why

[0:08:48] Trustee Busheikin: don't we

[0:08:48] Trustee Busheikin: start with that one oh no that isn't so that's the one from trust council i see okay let's

[0:08:57] Trustee Busheikin: wait for the motions from narissa yeah

[0:09:01] Voice 20: so i'll just um i'll just quickly um send them to robert

[0:09:05] Voice 20: barlow and then um and then he can um uh just share screen or actually it looks like i can

[0:09:39] Voice 20: share my screen now there we go okay

[0:09:49] Trustee Busheikin: great there they are so would someone like to put the first

[0:09:53] Trustee Busheikin: one on the table someone like to make that motion okay go ahead trustee Peterson I

[0:10:05] Voice 12: move that regional

[0:10:06] Voice 12: planning committee request staff develop an islands trust freshwater sustainability strategy

[0:10:12] Voice 12: policy document thank

[0:10:15] Trustee Busheikin: you I see that seconded by trustee Wolverton any discussion uh yes trustee

[0:10:22] Trustee Busheikin: Patrick take

[0:10:25] Trustee Patrick: myself off my only question would be you know we're about to do community engaged

[0:10:31] Trustee Patrick: engagement process with the trust policy statement which water is a piece of that and i'm hoping that

[0:10:36] Trustee Patrick: you know there's going to be you know part of that's going to be information learned so i'm

[0:10:41] Trustee Patrick: just questioning the timing is you know are the two are they collecting information or is this

[0:10:47] Trustee Patrick: just coming off of the um freshwater strategy document um

[0:10:55] Voice 20: i think the i think there will be

[0:10:58] Voice 20: like some at least understanding of the process that's going on in terms of the development of the

[0:11:04] Voice 20: policy document. I know David has a fairly clear idea around what this particular,

[0:11:13] Voice 20: what the document would look like, and I unfortunately haven't had a chance to have

[0:11:18] Voice 20: a detailed discussion with him about that, so that's something that I would have to

[0:11:22] Voice 20: to to have that discussion with David to actually have a clear idea of what we're looking at here

[0:11:35] Trustee Busheikin: okay other comments or questions I'll just put myself on the speaker's list following up from

[0:11:42] Trustee Busheikin: that I think it's a really good point and it's it's complex because part of me thinks it would

[0:11:48] Trustee Busheikin: be good if the policy was done first and the other part thinks better to wait but I think it's just

[0:11:53] Trustee Busheikin: going to maybe it's something that's just going to have to be worked through the interaction between

[0:12:00] Trustee Busheikin: these different processes um yeah

[0:12:04] Voice 20: like one of the um i guess timing um interests is to have something

[0:12:11] Voice 20: um you know before uh the election so that there's something that is sort of complete

[0:12:17] Voice 20: meet yeah okay

[0:12:20] Trustee Busheikin: so um trustee patrick i see your hand again yes no it's me again um the

[0:12:28] Trustee Patrick: i don't

[0:12:31] Trustee Patrick: know i mean this is i don't know what it's going to look like and i am somewhat concerned my my

[0:12:37] Trustee Patrick: concern is that i know we have a lot of comments about development and and you know yes water is a

[0:12:44] Trustee Patrick: fundamental and important issue but it's not the issue that we make all our decisions on and i

[0:12:49] Trustee Patrick: i think we had that conversation before with the policy statement to make sure that that statement

[0:12:54] Trustee Patrick: was in there and i just want to make sure that we're continuing to make sure that the value you

[0:12:58] Trustee Patrick: know there's values with an s on it that our decisions aren't easy to always just say you know

[0:13:03] Trustee Patrick: no you know we're trying to you know there's lots of values that go into making decisions so

[0:13:08] Trustee Patrick: i just want to make sure we're still embracing that open issue that we had covered in the

[0:13:15] Trustee Patrick: the strategy yeah

[0:13:19] Trustee Busheikin: well and we will we will see this policy again and it will be up to us i assume

[0:13:25] Trustee Busheikin: to kind of um vet it and then recommend it to trust council so we can have a good look at the

[0:13:30] Trustee Busheikin: language um at that point to make sure that those kind of values as we see them and think they

[0:13:37] Trustee Busheikin: should be are there um okay i'm going to call the question all in favor please raise your electronic

[0:13:45] Trustee Busheikin: hand. Okay. So I'm going to take my time here to make sure I do everything carefully and right.

[0:14:03] Trustee Busheikin: Okay. That looks like that motion carries. So let's lower our hands and just for good form,

[0:14:12] Trustee Busheikin: I'm going to ask anyone against. Okay. So that carries unanimously. Thank you. And I'm ready

[0:14:21] Trustee Busheikin: for the next motion or we're ready for the next motion anyone want to go ahead tim thank you

[0:14:37] Voice 12: i move that the regional planning committee request staff to identify options for the

[0:14:42] Voice 12: implementation of the freshwater sustainability strategy okay

[0:14:48] Trustee Busheikin: and then second i saw uh doug fenton

[0:14:52] Trustee Busheikin: so i and i assume that hand was to second and not to to speak any speakers on this motion okay seeing

[0:15:01] Trustee Busheikin: Seeing none, I will call the question.

[0:15:04] Trustee Busheikin: Please raise

[0:15:05] Voice 7: your electronic hand if you are in favor.

[0:15:13] Voice 7: Okay.

[0:15:16] Trustee Busheikin: And this motion carries unanimously.

[0:15:19] Trustee Busheikin: So you can lower your hand.

[0:15:22] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[0:15:23] Trustee Busheikin: That was great.

[0:15:24] Trustee Busheikin: Any other comments or any other bits of business around this?

[0:15:29] Trustee Busheikin: Okay.

[0:15:30] Trustee Busheikin: Well, thank you.

[0:15:30] Trustee Busheikin: I want to thank Planner Chadwick and all the, I know a lot of staff are involved in this.

[0:15:36] Trustee Busheikin: for the work so far. I'm looking forward to where it's going to go.

[0:15:43] Trustee Busheikin: So Onward 7.2, this is the changes we requested to this document,

[0:15:51] Trustee Busheikin: Best Management Practices for Delivery of Local Planning Services to Local Trust Communities.

[0:15:56] Trustee Busheikin: This is coming back with those changes with the hope that we're happy with it and can send it on

[0:16:02] Trustee Busheikin: on to Council so is there a staff member who would like to speak to this go ahead Robert okay thank

[0:16:12] Voice 11: you um andress if you stop sharing screen I can share the agenda but um I'll start speaking to

[0:16:20] Voice 11: it so this is a follow-up from um the meeting about a month ago uh um where the local plan or

[0:16:31] Voice 11: or the regional planning committee spent the bulk

[0:16:35] Voice 11: of the meeting or all the meeting, I think,

[0:16:37] Voice 11: going through the policy and the draft

[0:16:40] Voice 11: and made a number of recommended changes

[0:16:44] Voice 11: or requested a number of changes to be made.

[0:16:46] Voice 11: And so in the report on starting on page 24

[0:16:50] Voice 11: of the agenda package,

[0:16:52] Voice 11: those resolutions are each broken out

[0:16:54] Voice 11: and then identified where those changes have been made.

[0:16:58] Voice 11: so the goals have been incorporated into a new section under the purpose heading

[0:17:04] Voice 11: the strategic planning by local trust committees has been incorporated into section 1.7

[0:17:15] Voice 11: there was a resolution about requesting staff to report on incorporating local trust committee

[0:17:22] Voice 11: strategic planning with trust council strategic plan so that's a bigger discussion or a bigger

[0:17:27] Voice 11: are issued and can be incorporated at least into this draft of the policy so we'll probably be

[0:17:33] Voice 11: reporting back on that there are a number of sort of smaller amendments that were made

[0:17:38] Voice 11: to the body of the policy and then a number of other changes were made to the appendices

[0:17:48] Voice 11: specifically appendix d and those have been incorporated and are attached there's two

[0:17:55] Voice 11: two versions of the policy attached as last time,

[0:17:58] Voice 11: the black line version showing all the changes

[0:18:00] Voice 11: and then a clean version.

[0:18:03] Voice 11: So if RPC does endorse this version,

[0:18:08] Voice 11: then the recommendation is that it should go

[0:18:11] Voice 11: to trust council for review.

[0:18:15] Voice 11: And that's the recommendation on page 27

[0:18:19] Voice 11: of the report right here.

[0:18:23] Voice 11: And just note that our PM Heather Cowher is here as well and she's available to speak to

[0:18:30] Voice 11: the changes specifically to the appendices section if there's questions on that section.

[0:18:37] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. So I see Jane Wolverton, go ahead.

[0:18:44] Voice 6: Just on page 33 in the package, page 6 of the document, we had suggested a full stop

[0:18:52] Voice 6: in number 8.1 uh after to ensure the broadest participation not not just by non-resident owners

[0:19:01] Voice 6: uh a lot of our a lot of our residents work during the week and can't participate so it was a full

[0:19:08] Voice 6: stop as i recall that we wanted at the end of to ensure the broadest participation okay and then

[0:19:15] Voice 6: removed by

[0:19:16] Trustee Busheikin: non-resident owners right correct yeah

[0:19:18] Trustee Busheikin: and i'm assuming for small changes although

[0:19:24] Trustee Busheikin: important like that that we can note them staff will take notes they'll take care of it it doesn't

[0:19:29] Trustee Busheikin: then have to be totally redrafted and come back again correct uh case and then laura yeah thank

[0:19:36] Voice 1: you yeah i also had that comment about eight that one that jane just mentioned the other one is

[0:19:42] Voice 1: section 4.4 i queried about the change where it says the late items to be agenda added to the

[0:19:52] Voice 1: agenda except with the approval of the chair the current policy says approval of the ltc so that's

[0:19:58] Voice 1: a that's a substantive change where a lead item would be the chair of the ltc could only decide

[0:20:03] Voice 1: as opposed to the trust committee themselves and i checked the current policy and it does refer to

[0:20:10] Voice 1: ltc so yeah that's correct yeah

[0:20:13] Voice 11: is

[0:20:14] Voice 1: that is that purposeful or is that just an inadvertent change

[0:20:17] Voice 1: Andrew?

[0:20:18] Voice 11: Not sure how David would probably have to speak to that, but I can kind of make a guess

[0:20:25] Voice 11: that the change was purposeful and it may be just a practicality. So if you think about the agenda

[0:20:31] Voice 11: process after the agenda is distributed and then there's potential late items come in, you know,

[0:20:38] Voice 11: typically the staff would speak to the chair and the chair would make the call about adding that

[0:20:44] Voice 11: or not

[0:20:44] Voice 1: okay to

[0:20:45] Voice 11: the agenda for practical reasons if you stick to the the policy it would just be

[0:20:50] Voice 11: the ltc would have to have to add it at the

[0:20:53] Voice 11: meeting um which of course they can do the ltc

[0:20:57] Voice 11: once the once the agenda is up for approval the ltc can add or remove whatever they want

[0:21:01] Voice 11: so

[0:21:02] Voice 1: okay fair enough thank you okay um laura

[0:21:06] Trustee Patrick: patrick

[0:21:07] Voice 1: um

[0:21:10] Trustee Patrick: i know i'll start with i i don't

[0:21:13] Trustee Patrick: think we're ready to send this to Trust Council for March. And I don't know if we're going to

[0:21:18] Trustee Patrick: have time in Trust Council in March to receive it either. So I think that I just wanted to start

[0:21:24] Trustee Patrick: with that comment. And one of the main reasons is, I mean, we do have this review report coming

[0:21:29] Trustee Patrick: and Eric Vance, their ex-land use person, I'm really looking forward to what he has to say,

[0:21:35] Trustee Patrick: that he charted a path through our, you know, found some better ways of efficiency and planning

[0:21:41] Trustee Patrick: and prioritizing that is worth you know considering i hope um we had talked about adding and that was

[0:21:50] Trustee Patrick: one of the motions was to add uh you know the project definition phase in here and i don't

[0:21:55] Trustee Patrick: think it for me it's still not emphasizing the importance and of that phase i know um claire

[0:22:03] Trustee Patrick: frader today is meeting with staff from the liaxan nation who have sent us a letter saying

[0:22:08] Trustee Patrick: they want to be involved with the project definition phase and still think we're not

[0:22:12] Trustee Patrick: you know we're not hearing them um on on what they've asked um and i so i think the project

[0:22:19] Trustee Patrick: definition phase is so important and not um not there yet and the same for under the policy like

[0:22:30] Trustee Patrick: 1.3 we talk about determining the health of our official community plans appendix it's a that's

[0:22:35] Trustee Patrick: content. Is content equal health? There could be numerous reasons as to why an OCP needs to be

[0:22:44] Trustee Patrick: opened up, but is it just, you know, content? There's got to be other performance indicators

[0:22:50] Trustee Patrick: and things that are occurring in our communities that would trigger a need to open up an OCP. So

[0:22:56] Trustee Patrick: I think we have some work yet there to say, you know, what determines a healthy and not healthy

[0:23:04] Trustee Patrick: ocp um because that affects priority um if somehow you know of what the condition of the ocp is and

[0:23:14] Trustee Patrick: what's occurring on the ground um if we have good planning it should be it should be good

[0:23:19] Trustee Patrick: or in line but never know um so i mean i i could go through and make lots of comments i think i

[0:23:29] Trustee Patrick: I still think we need to do more work.

[0:23:32] Trustee Patrick: You know, I think the diversity and equity issues

[0:23:35] Trustee Patrick: in relation to stakeholders and all of these issues

[0:23:38] Trustee Patrick: are not as deep as they could be.

[0:23:43] Trustee Patrick: But the project definition phase

[0:23:44] Trustee Patrick: is where we would figure all that out.

[0:23:46] Trustee Patrick: And like I said, I don't think it's added

[0:23:49] Trustee Patrick: as strongly as I'd like to see it.

[0:23:55] Trustee Busheikin: I'm wondering if any staff could point

[0:23:58] Trustee Busheikin: to where in this document perhaps if there is a place that points to the importance of having a

[0:24:09] Trustee Busheikin: project definition phase? Does that, yeah, go ahead, Heather.

[0:24:16] Voice 4: Yeah, I took that to mean that

[0:24:20] Voice 4: you wanted the appendix. So there's an appendix that speaks to the process and the timing of the

[0:24:26] Voice 4: process so we did add a phase zero um which is the project what we would consider the project

[0:24:33] Voice 4: definition phase and that was added to the appendix um admittedly i i don't believe that

[0:24:39] Voice 4: in the body of the policy that that is recognized as much or if at all sorry about that okay um

[0:24:50] Trustee Patrick: yeah because our motion was to add a project definition phase and related policies

[0:24:54] Trustee Patrick: that was the motion i'm

[0:25:01] Voice 4: just looking at the appendices

[0:25:02] Voice 4: yeah the it's an it's attachment

[0:25:07] Voice 4: attachments b and c appendices b and c there you go so we added a phase zero to that

[0:25:13] Voice 4: mm

[0:25:13] Voice 7: -hmm yep yeah i'm looking at that on page 76 um

[0:25:24] Trustee Busheikin: okay any uh further comments on the on what's

[0:25:28] Trustee Busheikin: before us on the suggestions from trustee patrick do are there others who would agree that we'd like

[0:25:38] Trustee Busheikin: to spend a little more time with this and send it back for another round before sending it to

[0:25:43] Trustee Busheikin: council is there are there other thoughts on that either way uh are there parts of it that other

[0:25:49] Trustee Busheikin: people want to bring up for discussion uh okay trustee stamford uh

[0:25:55] Trustee Stamford: can everybody hear me i'm

[0:25:56] Trustee Stamford: I'm, I'm continuing to have. Okay, good. I guess, as I'm sort of in the, for Gambier

[0:26:04] Trustee Stamford: local trust area, we're in the middle of trying to get an OCP process going, and hoping to be

[0:26:11] Trustee Stamford: able to refer to, to at least the draft form of this. I'm just not sure how much more we can

[0:26:21] Trustee Stamford: and like make this more clear.

[0:26:26] Trustee Stamford: I mean, I do understand the definition phase is important.

[0:26:29] Trustee Stamford: It also has to, by the sounds of what I'm hearing

[0:26:32] Trustee Stamford: from Trustee Patrick is it has to be flexible

[0:26:36] Trustee Stamford: and how that is defined is going to be quite difficult.

[0:26:40] Trustee Stamford: And I don't want to get hung up for a long period of time

[0:26:45] Trustee Stamford: on something that could be very different

[0:26:47] Trustee Stamford: between Salt Spring and Gambier because that's what I'm noticing as we're trying to implement

[0:26:54] Trustee Stamford: some of the ideas here is it's looking very different right now so that's my hesitation

[0:27:02] Trustee Stamford: I agree maybe we don't have time for the March Trust Council but I'm hesitating to make this so

[0:27:09] Trustee Stamford: so restricted, or not restricted, but defined that it may not be used to the extent that it could be.

[0:27:22] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, thank you. Our staff member, Lisa Wilcox, has put her hand up, and I would like to hear

[0:27:31] Trustee Busheikin: from staff. So go ahead. Thank you.

[0:27:34] Voice 21: Yeah, Chuck Mahath. Just reviewing some of the wording

[0:27:38] Voice 21: in this I haven't actually reviewed this so there would need to be some tweaks to the wording

[0:27:45] Voice 21: and some changes whether that can just be done staff to staff and then but you still move forward

[0:27:57] Voice 21: with sending it to trust council then that that would be up to you but there are a few wording

[0:28:06] Voice 21: on this particular graph and maybe throughout the document in some other areas that just needs a

[0:28:12] Voice 21: little bit of refinement so um it wouldn't preclude you sending it to trust council you just need to

[0:28:19] Voice 21: be aware that i would go in and change some of the the phrases that have been used to make them more

[0:28:26] Voice 21: in line with UNDRIP and DRIPA and the TRC. Thank you, let's see Patrick.

[0:28:36] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, the project definition phase is not that it's not going to look the same in any areas,

[0:28:42] Trustee Patrick: it's the value that it brings to defining the project and going forward and spending that time

[0:28:48] Trustee Patrick: appropriately and not rushing through it. You know we're going to say that there's only going to be

[0:28:52] Trustee Patrick: two OCPs per whatever, we're putting some rigor in here. Well, if one local trust committee has

[0:28:58] Trustee Patrick: done a much better job at their project definition phase and has a more definable project, it's

[0:29:03] Trustee Patrick: achievable, they've got their stakeholders figured out, they've already got the communications going

[0:29:07] Trustee Patrick: with First Nations, they're in a much stronger position to go than one that, you know, hasn't

[0:29:12] Trustee Patrick: even considered what they're trying to begin to do and all of those things. So I think it is,

[0:29:17] Trustee Patrick: And it's like I said, I think the policy only lays out that it's expected to happen and helps future local trust committees not quickly pass through that phase so that, you know, our projects are higher success and more in alignment with what we needed to have happen.

[0:29:36] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[0:29:38] Trustee Busheikin: I'm going to put myself on the speaker's list, but anyone can put up a hand.

[0:29:45] Voice 7: And I guess

[0:29:49] Trustee Busheikin: my own feelings, and I'm weighing and listening to what I'm hearing, is that with the, and I want to thank Lisa Wilcox for offering that review.

[0:30:00] Trustee Busheikin: think that's great. And barring that, I'm feeling this is actually ready to go. I think that the

[0:30:09] Trustee Busheikin: project identification or problem identification base, I do see this chart with the phase zero

[0:30:15] Trustee Busheikin: is adequate. And I mean, you can't totally force everyone involved to follow best practices by

[0:30:26] Trustee Busheikin: by putting it in a policy.

[0:30:28] Trustee Busheikin: And I think that it's here.

[0:30:30] Trustee Busheikin: And I think we've had the discussion

[0:30:31] Trustee Busheikin: and I think we all know about the letter from the LACS.

[0:30:34] Trustee Busheikin: And I think it is beholden now upon the people

[0:30:38] Trustee Busheikin: who work with that First Nation to pay attention.

[0:30:41] Trustee Busheikin: Other First Nations may be saying things like,

[0:30:45] Trustee Busheikin: we're inundated with requests to participate,

[0:30:49] Trustee Busheikin: please only call us in.

[0:30:53] Trustee Busheikin: I've actually heard this, call us in when,

[0:30:55] Trustee Busheikin: you know you've got something rolling and there's something for us to look at so it

[0:30:59] Trustee Busheikin: it is variable so i don't want to take that lax letter as sort of a you know a watershed moment

[0:31:06] Trustee Busheikin: for the whole trust area um it's important and i think it's here and i think that i mean i've

[0:31:12] Trustee Busheikin: started hearing about the planning services review last term when i started noting that i felt like

[0:31:17] Trustee Busheikin: planning services needed the delivery of planning services wasn't adequate to all islands needs and

[0:31:24] Trustee Busheikin: And I feel like we do need to move it along.

[0:31:27] Trustee Busheikin: It would be good to get it done in time for the next budget cycle as these things start rolling out.

[0:31:35] Trustee Busheikin: And I think that there's many ways if, you know, if people are particularly concerned about having a good project definition phase, there's many ways to get at that.

[0:31:48] Trustee Busheikin: If it's a best practice, then staff should be doing it like they do many best practices that aren't in this.

[0:31:55] Trustee Busheikin: And trustees should know about that, too, and be adding it in there.

[0:31:59] Trustee Busheikin: So my own druthers would be to my belief about what's best is to pass a resolution asking staff to review it for appropriate language in light of UNDRIP, DRIPA, and send it to council.

[0:32:22] Trustee Busheikin: Council. So I will now recognize Peter

[0:32:29] Voice 7: Lacombe. Thanks. Go ahead. You will need to unmute.

[0:32:36] Trustee Luckham: Yeah, I'm trying. Sometimes my mouse doesn't work as well. It works the same as other people's.

[0:32:42] Trustee Luckham: I just want to note, because I think it's important, very important, to acknowledge

[0:32:49] Trustee Luckham: the commitment that we as council have made to our reconciliation process.

[0:32:57] Trustee Luckham: And certainly, I don't know what others' experiences are, and I can only speak to my

[0:33:03] Trustee Luckham: own experiences and communications with First Nations.

[0:33:08] Trustee Luckham: And early on, early in the development is the message that I hear from many of the nations

[0:33:16] Trustee Luckham: is let us know what you're thinking about

[0:33:19] Trustee Luckham: so that we can determine whether or not we need to engage.

[0:33:23] Trustee Luckham: And that is always prefaced by the importance to them

[0:33:31] Trustee Luckham: and our responsibilities to them as a sovereign government

[0:33:38] Trustee Luckham: to be sure that we're reaching out and engaging to them early.

[0:33:42] Trustee Luckham: and we've uh we've had letters from many nations saying how come you didn't tell us about this

[0:33:50] Trustee Luckham: earlier and so i really do believe that we need to be considering that early in the project

[0:33:56] Trustee Luckham: definition phase of things and that we need to take that commitment from council seriously and

[0:34:01] Trustee Luckham: i know that you don't not take it seriously laura but um there is a wide uh variety of points of

[0:34:08] Trustee Luckham: of you across the trust area but i think substantially um nations want to know what

[0:34:14] Trustee Luckham: we're doing

[0:34:14] Voice 8: early okay

[0:34:31] Voice 7: trustee peterson and then fenton and then i put myself back on just briefly

[0:34:34] Voice 7: uh

[0:34:37] Voice 12: thank you cherry yeah so um in terms of uh of uh sippa lisa wilcox's comments there

[0:34:46] Voice 12: um i think i would actually prefer that we have those language edits in the document before we

[0:34:57] Voice 12: send it to trust council um that's my feeling in terms of of respecting our commitment to

[0:35:05] Voice 12: reconciliation drip and undrip i i just think it's actually the sooner we can get the language

[0:35:12] Voice 12: into the into the respectful mode the better that's that's my feeling so the more while we're

[0:35:19] Voice 12: working on it in draft with this committee is one thing but if there's adjustments that need to be

[0:35:25] Voice 12: laying made in the language I prefer that that happens before we forward it on thank

[0:35:33] Voice 7: you can I

[0:35:34] Voice 7: just

[0:35:34] Trustee Busheikin: clarify Lisa is were you imagining that you could get that done before it goes to council

[0:35:42] Trustee Busheikin: Council in March yep

[0:35:44] Voice 21: yeah yeah I don't think it just needs I well I'm looking at just this graph

[0:35:49] Voice 21: on the screen there's there's just small edits that need to be done and then um hopefully I

[0:35:56] Voice 21: can go through it quite quickly but we would just need to um provide that and then your direction on

[0:36:04] Voice 21: whether you need to review it again or whether you'd want to just um send that to Trust Council

[0:36:13] Voice 21: council that that would be with your direction so um but it wouldn't probably wouldn't take me very

[0:36:19] Voice 21: long to go through and and just make those adjustments it's just I hadn't uh had a chance

[0:36:27] Voice 21: to look at this and and review it just to take make those small changes so thank

[0:36:34] Trustee Busheikin: you um I see

[0:36:36] Trustee Busheikin: today I'll have some pillar I'm wanting to speak and is it something specific to the question about

[0:36:41] Trustee Busheikin: about these edits or can I go to trustee Fenton to me?

[0:36:45] Trustee Busheikin: Oh,

[0:36:45] Voice 13: you go to trustee Fenton first.

[0:36:47] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, I will do that, go ahead.

[0:36:50] Voice 13: Hello,

[0:36:51] Voice 14: hello, yeah, thank you.

[0:36:54] Voice 14: I just want to, I'll be quick.

[0:36:55] Voice 14: I just want to, that I support trustee Luckum's comment.

[0:37:00] Voice 14: So I think that's a very important part of the puzzle

[0:37:05] Voice 14: as well as trustee Peterson's comment

[0:37:07] Voice 14: with regards to the general approach

[0:37:09] Voice 14: and that we should really get this addressed now

[0:37:13] Voice 14: while this right up front and get it done right

[0:37:16] Voice 14: before we actually introduce it to council.

[0:37:18] Voice 14: And then with in context is that I think we have to,

[0:37:22] Voice 14: over time, we're going to be working on

[0:37:24] Voice 14: what this capacity issue looks like,

[0:37:26] Voice 14: because we were, have had conversations and everybody,

[0:37:30] Voice 14: you know, I've just used Penelka as an example,

[0:37:33] Voice 14: but they want to be at the ideas table,

[0:37:34] Voice 14: yet they don't have capacity currently,

[0:37:36] Voice 14: currently and nor do we even have a process to actually have one of those up front sort of get

[0:37:41] Voice 14: to know each other or let's talk about this project early in the game so but that'll come

[0:37:49] Voice 14: with time we have to figure that out as we move forward but this document needs to actually sort

[0:37:54] Voice 14: of put some roots in the ground saying it's there the doors open and we have those are the

[0:38:00] Voice 14: opportunities that are before us and in each community or communities throughout the trust

[0:38:06] Voice 14: area can respond according to their and there's where they're at in stage they're at in this whole

[0:38:12] Voice 14: process over time and leave it there thank you for the opportunity thank

[0:38:18] Trustee Busheikin: you and then i'll just

[0:38:19] Trustee Busheikin: add just responding to what peter luck who said and i i thank you for recognizing that my you

[0:38:24] Trustee Busheikin: understand my intent is not to um minimize any opportunity for first nations um engagement um

[0:38:32] Trustee Busheikin: and empowerment in our processes because it isn't I just I just feel it's but this

[0:38:39] Trustee Busheikin: this policy in particular I feel it's it's complete and it includes at least enough

[0:38:50] Trustee Busheikin: mention of that and we have other policies we have a reconciliation policy I assume we have a

[0:38:55] Trustee Busheikin: referral and engagement policy and where there's yeah i just i don't i don't see that this isn't

[0:39:05] Trustee Busheikin: ready to go forward that it does include um early first nations outreach and um we also have many

[0:39:14] Trustee Busheikin: other interlocking policies and practices that can ensure we do that and that we do respond to

[0:39:20] Trustee Busheikin: the first nations in particular who are wanting that uh and um with an understanding that they

[0:39:26] Trustee Busheikin: may not always have capacity and that we have flexibility around that so i am i'm appreciative

[0:39:31] Trustee Busheikin: of of the conversation um and i i do uh agree that this should not go to council until those

[0:39:39] Trustee Busheikin: um edits uh from uh staff member wilcox are done thanks and go ahead i'll recognize ceo hudson

[0:39:49] Trustee Busheikin: pillar and then we can hear from trustee longerice

[0:39:51] Voice 13: well first thanks very much um madam chair uh

[0:39:55] Voice 13: So excited to see this in front of you, and I just want to acknowledge the work of RPC. For the last two years, we've been trying to rearrange how we address long-range planning and picking our projects on an LTC basis. So challenging to do it, and you've taken it on, and here we have it in front of us.

[0:40:13] Voice 13: um now uh yeah respecting the language from uh miss wilcox it sounded like she said the word

[0:40:20] Voice 13: minor several times so i i think you can trust that those minor it didn't sound like content

[0:40:26] Voice 13: elements if they were content elements we'd have picked it up earlier from a staff to staff

[0:40:31] Voice 13: perspective but if it's some minor language um i i really think we can get it and you wouldn't

[0:40:37] Voice 13: have to hold the document up uh based on that and if and if we did um uh we would certainly come

[0:40:44] Voice 13: back to you um and uh there were some comments around the governance review um nothing in that

[0:40:51] Voice 13: in certainly the governance review could possibly affect anything at the islands trust but there is

[0:40:55] Voice 13: nothing really linking the work that we're doing we're this is work that's been on the docket for

[0:41:00] Voice 13: for two years. Things can always be amended later down the road, but to get something fundamental

[0:41:06] Voice 13: like this is significant and it will allow us to start making decisions where we don't really have

[0:41:12] Voice 13: some firm footing on making these decisions. The governance review or anything else came forward

[0:41:17] Voice 13: saying, do things a different way. We can amend this policy. It might be easier than massaging

[0:41:25] Voice 13: the policy to perfection um at the end of the day um i can be accused of wanting to get things done

[0:41:30] Voice 13: a little bit too much perhaps um but uh i would ask if if you do want to make changes to it

[0:41:37] Voice 13: and don't want to forward it that those directions be explicit in in in as opposed to take a look at

[0:41:45] Voice 13: this or something like that i think probably staff have done their level best getting it to here

[0:41:50] Voice 13: and they need really explicit direction to fine-tune things,

[0:41:55] Voice 13: or you may consider that it's worthy of moving forward.

[0:41:59] Voice 13: Thank you very much.

[0:42:01] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[0:42:03] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Long-Grace.

[0:42:05] Voice 1: Yeah, yeah.

[0:42:06] Voice 1: Actually, that's what I was going to say,

[0:42:09] Voice 1: is that the changes are minor from what Lisa said.

[0:42:13] Voice 1: Why can we not forward it with Lisa incorporating those changes?

[0:42:17] Voice 1: They're not substantive changes.

[0:42:19] Voice 1: They're wording changes.

[0:42:19] Voice 1: I don't see the need to delay it any further.

[0:42:23] Voice 1: So I'm in support of moving it forward.

[0:42:25] Voice 1: Subject with allowing Lisa to make some minor wording edits.

[0:42:30] Voice 1: So.

[0:42:32] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you, Trustee Wolverton.

[0:42:35] Voice 6: I would agree.

[0:42:37] Voice 6: I mean, the recommendation is that we're asking for

[0:42:40] Voice 6: comment and feedback from press council.

[0:42:43] Voice 6: So I think it's a good time to send it forward

[0:42:46] Voice 6: and I'm sure Lisa's edits

[0:42:49] Voice 6: will just

[0:42:49] Voice 7: clarify things a little better.

[0:42:55] Voice 7: Thank you. I

[0:42:58] Trustee Busheikin: see a comment from members of the public, and I appreciate the intent behind it, but I asked trustees not to engage in the chat, and I think that has to follow for members of the public, partly because anyone watching this as a live stream won't have that information,

[0:43:18] Trustee Busheikin: So it becomes sort of like under secret information we're receiving and generally in a committee meeting, if we had members of the public just throwing in comments, it doesn't work and it muddies up the process.

[0:43:37] Trustee Busheikin: So I would ask that we don't have chat at all, please. Thank you. And Jane, your hand's still up, but I think you're, are you done?

[0:43:49] Voice 7: Thank you. And Peter Luckham, you are muted.

[0:43:57] Voice 7: I

[0:43:57] Trustee Luckham: just want to note, just because I think it's important and that I think that's an oversight that members of the public have the ability to enter into the chat.

[0:44:06] Trustee Luckham: That's not the intention. But certainly the other thing is that indeed that conversation happening is not public.

[0:44:15] Trustee Luckham: I'm so better to refrain from it.

[0:44:18] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah. Thank you.

[0:44:19] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. That's what I was trying to say. Good. Any other discussion? So I think we're ready for motions. We have a motion, a draft motion suggested. I think it would need to add some wording around with updated language to reflect

[0:44:48] Trustee Busheikin: uh undrip and drippa or something like that to make that really clear or if lisa you have better

[0:44:56] Trustee Busheikin: suggestions um please speak up uh

[0:45:02] Voice 21: no that that that sounds good and also just reminding anyone

[0:45:06] Voice 21: in the public that if they'd like to make comments to the reconciliation email um that would be the

[0:45:12] Voice 21: best process to undertake to provide me with their feedback or thoughts. So there's the

[0:45:21] Voice 21: reconciliation at islandstrust.bc.ca that they can send any comments they would like

[0:45:28] Voice 21: on anything they're seeing in regards to reconciliation.

[0:45:34] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. So would someone like to put a motion on the floor? And of course,

[0:45:40] Trustee Busheikin: if there are people here who do want to see a different approach than in the draft motion,

[0:45:47] Trustee Busheikin: you're also welcome to put a motion on the floor.

[0:45:53] Voice 7: I'm not seeing anyone putting a motion

[0:45:55] Voice 7: on the floor. Come

[0:45:58] Trustee Busheikin: on, we do need to do something. Well, I'm looking at the agenda and it's on

[0:46:03] Trustee Busheikin: on the agenda in the middle of page two and,

[0:46:11] Voice 7: okay, thank you, Jane, go ahead.

[0:46:15] Voice 7: Okay, is that the original planning committee

[0:46:20] Voice 6: endorsed the draft policy 5.9.1 best management practices

[0:46:25] Voice 6: for delivery of local planning services

[0:46:27] Voice 6: to local trust committees in principle

[0:46:30] Voice 6: and forward to the trust council for comment and feedback.

[0:46:34] Trustee Busheikin: Could I just suggest before the,

[0:46:36] Trustee Busheikin: the, we look for a seconder that we add maybe before

[0:46:43] Trustee Busheikin: in principle with amendments to bring

[0:46:46] Trustee Busheikin: it in line with

[0:46:48] Voice 7: UNDRIP and DRIPA. Yeah. Okay. So maybe we'll make sure we'll give Robert a

[0:47:00] Voice 7: minute to get that all written down. I'm happy to second that when it's ready.

[0:47:08] Voice 7: okay thanks so we'll just wait uh that looks oh right does that look um good jane in terms you're

[0:47:33] Voice 7: the mover of the motion you're happy with

[0:47:40] Trustee Busheikin: what's there yeah yep okay uh and trustee dodd seconded

[0:47:44] Trustee Busheikin: that and i said that trustee stanford would like to speak to the motion no

[0:47:48] Trustee Stamford: i just said i would

[0:47:49] Trustee Busheikin: second it so okay my hand down okay trustee patrick well

[0:47:54] Trustee Patrick: it's me i can't vote to endorse

[0:47:56] Trustee Patrick: this we in our last meeting we did instruct that and it was per resolution that a project

[0:48:01] Trustee Patrick: definition phase with relevant policies be added to this policy with my experience as being in

[0:48:07] Trustee Patrick: chair and going through a number of trust council trust committees uh doing major projects that we

[0:48:12] Trustee Patrick: rush we sometimes even leap through the project definition phase or ignore it and go right to

[0:48:17] Trustee Patrick: the project and i'm seeing time and time again you know that we're not having that clear instruction

[0:48:24] Trustee Patrick: and taking that time and i think that should be through policy so that we do good quality work

[0:48:30] Trustee Patrick: and that it's you know that that's where our efficiencies will pick up when we spend that

[0:48:35] Trustee Patrick: time doing the project definition so

[0:48:40] Trustee Busheikin: i'd just like to slow down a minute here speaking of slowing

[0:48:45] Trustee Busheikin: Slowing down, something I heard in that comment and the value of slowing down.

[0:48:53] Trustee Busheikin: I'd like to ask, I think, probably Regional Planning Manager Kojima,

[0:49:00] Trustee Busheikin: if we were to include instruction to add a policy there, and I'm not sure where that would go,

[0:49:09] Trustee Busheikin: but to clarify the need or the requirement for a project definition phase, perhaps that would include First Nations participation, if they're interested and available, or some language to that effect.

[0:49:35] Trustee Busheikin: fact if we were to ask for that to be added could that then be added in time for it because it is

[0:49:44] Trustee Busheikin: it's one i think it would come down to a few very good sentences uh could that be done in time for

[0:49:51] Trustee Busheikin: it to get to council

[0:49:52] Voice 11: certainly we get done in time to go to council but um as cao hudson filler said

[0:49:58] Voice 11: it's you know specificity would help right where where would it go um you know would it be

[0:50:06] Voice 11: inserted in where exactly would it be inserted in something along those lines i mean we could

[0:50:11] Voice 11: certainly craft something that way we think would reflect um the intent um

[0:50:17] Trustee Busheikin: so i um yeah and i'm

[0:50:23] Trustee Busheikin: because we're in the middle of uh you know discussing emotions so i'm being a little

[0:50:29] Trustee Busheikin: cautious as a chair about how to deal with this but i guess i would suggest that if

[0:50:37] Trustee Busheikin: if Trustee Patrick or anyone else would like to put a motion on the table and needs a, you know,

[0:50:46] Trustee Busheikin: a recess of several minutes to get that specificity, we could take a little break.

[0:50:55] Trustee Busheikin: I don't know if that's common in the middle of discussion. I think it's fine. And probably

[0:51:03] Trustee Busheikin: Sherlockham would let me know if it's, or someone would let me know if it's not

[0:51:05] Trustee Busheikin: not okay process to take a break

[0:51:07] Trustee Busheikin: in the middle of discussion and motion.

[0:51:09] Trustee Busheikin: So that's sort of what I'm thinking,

[0:51:11] Trustee Busheikin: but I do see Doug's hand up.

[0:51:14] Trustee Busheikin: And so let's go to go to you, Trustee Penton.

[0:51:18] Voice 14: Thank you.

[0:51:19] Voice 14: Yeah, just question whether that could be

[0:51:21] Voice 14: as part of the best practice piece

[0:51:23] Voice 14: could be behind the policy

[0:51:25] Voice 14: because that best practice will evolve over time

[0:51:29] Voice 14: and best practice might be,

[0:51:32] Voice 14: You know, to ensure that it articulates the new challenges associated with Indigenous consultation or something.

[0:51:42] Voice 14: But that's not, you know, not on the fund graph, but our behind-the-scenes best practice is addressed and is part of the working documents that are used by the planners and local trust committees.

[0:51:57] Voice 14: Just a thought. Food for thought.

[0:52:01] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah.

[0:52:04] Voice 14: yeah um would

[0:52:06] Voice 14: that satisfy yeah um trustee patrick's concern that

[0:52:13] Trustee Busheikin: is a question maybe

[0:52:14] Trustee Busheikin: for trustee patrick but let's hear from alisa um uh first hi

[0:52:22] Voice 21: sorry sorry chair so i'm just a little

[0:52:25] Voice 21: bit confused um about the um process because the document as it exists already outlines that we

[0:52:36] Voice 21: would be engaging and seeking meaningful and early engagement with nations and also with edits to

[0:52:45] Voice 21: align it with UNDRIP and DRIPO we would add Indigenous people living on the island so

[0:52:52] Voice 21: the document already reflects that we would go to seek that engagement and

[0:52:58] Voice 21: and and talk to them about how they'd like to see OCPs and other projects that we're working on

[0:53:09] Voice 21: reflected so um I'm a little I'm I'm just not sure I'm a bit confused maybe about um

[0:53:18] Voice 21: because that is reflected in the document um even even anyway that's so yeah I'm just I'm

[0:53:26] Voice 21: I'm confused.

[0:53:28] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[0:53:28] Trustee Busheikin: And I think that we're sort of putting two things together

[0:53:32] Trustee Busheikin: here that is confusing.

[0:53:34] Trustee Busheikin: And I think the main point is,

[0:53:37] Trustee Busheikin: do we want a policy here that is saying that it is important

[0:53:42] Trustee Busheikin: or perhaps necessary to include a problem identification

[0:53:49] Trustee Busheikin: phase in LTC projects?

[0:53:53] Trustee Busheikin: And then the question of,

[0:53:57] Trustee Busheikin: First Nations engagement in that is a related question, but I very much appreciate the clarity

[0:54:05] Trustee Busheikin: that I just heard that that is amply covered, that second part of it is amply covered here.

[0:54:11] Trustee Busheikin: So does anyone else want to speak? And I'm not seeing any hands going up. I mean, if

[0:54:24] Trustee Busheikin: trustee Patrick or anyone wants to put an amendment a motion to amend this that could happen

[0:54:30] Trustee Busheikin: but I just would need to know if that's what you want to do and if not I would trust you

[0:54:39] Trustee Patrick: I'm sorry I don't have the language I was contacted by staff and we had discussed all of

[0:54:43] Trustee Patrick: this so I was expecting to see something in the report so that so I didn't prepare anything

[0:54:47] Trustee Patrick: because I was expecting it to be here the project definition phase does include yes the early

[0:54:55] Trustee Patrick: consultation with First Nations, but it's more than that. That is just one element of the things

[0:55:00] Trustee Patrick: that would occur. So I don't know how to prepare the policy. I think it's generally all major and

[0:55:07] Trustee Patrick: extraordinary projects, even minor ones, should have some phase of this, but it's sort of a

[0:55:16] Trustee Patrick: preparation and situation readiness. Like I said, we are asking LTCs to make decisions and get in

[0:55:21] Trustee Patrick: line as to who's going to have work done one before the other. And like I said, if an LTC

[0:55:27] Trustee Patrick: has got completely no idea what, you know, it's going to be a very different project than one

[0:55:31] Trustee Patrick: that has a defined and definite need that needs to be done. And that's how it becomes relevant

[0:55:36] Trustee Patrick: in the policy. And I don't know, I think there's a number of things that would have to be thought of

[0:55:41] Trustee Patrick: to draft that.

[0:55:49] Trustee Busheikin: Any other comments? Otherwise, I will call the question. And I think that it's,

[0:55:54] Trustee Busheikin: you know there is what's the part of the question and when we vote is is our would we prefer this

[0:56:03] Trustee Busheikin: to send staff back it sounds like what trustee patrick is suggesting it does need a bit more

[0:56:09] Trustee Busheikin: of a deep dive rather than a simple add a few sentences and um so how we feel about that i

[0:56:16] Trustee Busheikin: guess can be reflected in the voting because i'm not seeing hands go up so i am going to call the

[0:56:21] Trustee Busheikin: a question on the motion as it stands

[0:56:23] Trustee Busheikin: and ask everyone to raise their electronic hand.

[0:56:33] Voice 7: So I

[0:56:33] Trustee Busheikin: see five in favor.

[0:56:37] Trustee Busheikin: So let's all lower our hands if you voted in favor,

[0:56:43] Trustee Busheikin: if you lowered your hand, if you lowered a favor

[0:56:45] Trustee Busheikin: and now I will say everyone against raise your hand.

[0:56:51] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, so we have three against five in favor

[0:56:56] Trustee Busheikin: but that motion carries.

[0:57:00] Trustee Busheikin: Um, and just noting that it was fairly close, um, you know, it, it, um, I invite all of us

[0:57:11] Trustee Busheikin: and staff to just keep in mind the discussion and maybe there's other places I'll get to in a

[0:57:16] Trustee Busheikin: minute. Robert just finished my thought. Other, other places and other ways to address, uh, this

[0:57:21] Trustee Busheikin: issue and to address the importance of that, uh, project definition phase. Um, okay, Robert,

[0:57:30] Trustee Busheikin: Robert, sorry you had a question.

[0:57:31] Voice 16: I believe there are currently 10 voting members present.

[0:57:38] Voice 16: David, Trustee Maude, I believe,

[0:57:40] Voice 16: and Trustee Stamford may be connected by phone

[0:57:43] Voice 16: and they may not have been able to vote by digital hands.

[0:57:46] Voice 16: Thank you,

[0:57:47] Trustee Stamford: thank you so much.

[0:57:48] Trustee Stamford: I voted and I saw Trustee Maude's hand go up.

[0:57:53] Trustee Busheikin: So then I counted wrong or I saw it wrong

[0:57:57] Trustee Busheikin: or is there anyone who didn't vote?

[0:58:02] Voice 18: Okay, it's it's it's trustee Coburn I abstain.

[0:58:06] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, so that counts as a vote in favor.

[0:58:09] Voice 16: Therefore, you have six in favor, which is six is a majority for a motion to be carried with 10 voters.

[0:58:17] Trustee Busheikin: Oh, okay. Good. Thank you.

[0:58:21] Trustee Busheikin: So, it was six in favor and four against.

[0:58:27] Trustee Busheikin: Is that what you have,

[0:58:31] Voice 15: Robert?

[0:58:32] Voice 16: well i believe there are were 10 voting members there are 11 there are 11 members on the committee

[0:58:41] Voice 16: and 10 voting members so you would require six for a motion to be carried

[0:58:48] Voice 16: and if you've only counted nine votes we seem to be missing one yes

[0:58:55] Trustee Busheikin: is there anyone else who

[0:58:56] Trustee Busheikin: didn't vote okay you count yourself Laura pardon did you count yourself I just I just looked at

[0:59:07] Trustee Busheikin: the hands and my hand was up okay um well we had six in favor nonetheless but I do want to just

[0:59:15] Trustee Busheikin: take a moment here

[0:59:17] Voice 7: I'm feeling uneasy

[0:59:18] Trustee Busheikin: about that we can I believe we can do the vote over again

[0:59:24] Trustee Busheikin: it. Is

[0:59:26] Trustee Busheikin: there anyone who would like that? I would not be offended. Okay. Well, we had six in favor

[0:59:33] Trustee Busheikin: and therefore the motion carries. Thank you. I will just go a little bit slower, maybe quite a

[0:59:42] Trustee Busheikin: bit slower the next time and make sure I get it right. Thanks. Okay. Any further discussion on

[0:59:53] Trustee Busheikin: this topic? Thank you.

[1:00:00] Trustee Busheikin: one thing I would just add um for um for Lisa Wilcox is I'm as a learning experience curious

[1:00:08] Trustee Busheikin: to know what those changes would be so if you can do maybe a track changes version and send it on

[1:00:14] Trustee Busheikin: to us for information and because we're we're learning um yeah and and and thank you for that

[1:00:20] Trustee Busheikin: and I want to thank everyone for the discussion and um the issues that were raised that um are

[1:00:26] Trustee Busheikin: are really worth discussing and thinking about and I'm excited to see what happens at Trust

[1:00:33] Trustee Busheikin: Council with this. So we're at 11.05. I was thinking lunch break at around noon.

[1:00:46] Trustee Busheikin: If anyone really is feeling they need a five-minute bio break, just do this or something

[1:00:53] Trustee Busheikin: or speak up okay um let's do a five minute bio break uh and come back at 11 10. so that it's

[1:01:01] Trustee Busheikin: not really a snack break

[1:01:02] Voice 7: it's really a bio break see you all in five minutes we'll just give

[1:06:02] Voice 7: everyone one more minute so i just had a um a

[1:06:42] Trustee Stamford: call with our local newspaper because uh the gambier

[1:06:45] Trustee Stamford: on local trust area our population increased by 75 percent holy well that doesn't mean that much

[1:06:54] Trustee Stamford: I mean, we started with 240, or 270. Now we're up to 440. So

[1:07:02] Trustee Stamford: it

[1:07:04] Trustee Busheikin: is different. That is different. And it also is it a trend? Is it going to be 800 next year?

[1:07:12] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah,

[1:07:13] Trustee Stamford: yeah. So it I mean, percentage wise, it looked pretty shocking. But in actual numbers

[1:07:20] Trustee Stamford: spread across our huge area yeah it wasn't as significant but anyway it's yeah to highlight the

[1:07:28] Trustee Stamford: the trust area whenever we can well

[1:07:30] Trustee Busheikin: and it's it's a lot of development and then a lot of permits and

[1:07:33] Trustee Busheikin: and extra work for the trust and um new people that will have new ideas um oh yeah yeah and need

[1:07:40] Trustee Stamford: to learn about

[1:07:40] Trustee Busheikin: the trust so it's a good thing i think that the um this mail out to new property

[1:07:46] Trustee Busheikin: property owners and possibly the meetings with realtors and contractors and us both to roll out

[1:07:54] Trustee Busheikin: this spring. And that seems like really good timing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good. I see Claire

[1:08:00] Trustee Busheikin: smiling. She's

[1:08:01] Voice 3: been hearing me talk about this for like 10 years or something. Yeah. I'm working

[1:08:04] Voice 3: on the data right now. So just if you guys like a little interlude here, I can give you some

[1:08:09] Voice 3: highlights. Give us an interlude and

[1:08:12] Trustee Luckham: then we should know. I'm just going to intervene in

[1:08:15] Trustee Luckham: for a moment because of course this is a RPC meeting and of which is live streaming and

[1:08:19] Trustee Luckham: broadcasting and I'm not sure about coming to any conclusions about an early part of a rollout of

[1:08:29] Trustee Luckham: a much more sophisticated document than we've seen so I will defer to the Director of Trust

[1:08:35] Trustee Luckham: Area Services on that but I would think that general commentary about population increases

[1:08:41] Trustee Luckham: is you want to be careful about jumping to conclusions that's my thought fair enough and

[1:08:49] Trustee Busheikin: you're right and we should be using our time in the and the collective staff time here um in a

[1:08:53] Trustee Busheikin: targeted way so um much as i'm interested i think that was a really good point and um thanks for

[1:09:00] Trustee Busheikin: for stepping in and just for any members of the public the you know past couple minutes was sort

[1:09:05] Trustee Busheikin: sort of in the manner of chat during a coffee break

[1:09:10] Trustee Busheikin: and not part of our agenda.

[1:09:13] Trustee Busheikin: So, and you get to witness our coffee break chat.

[1:09:17] Trustee Busheikin: I'm gonna bring us back to the agenda now, thank you.

[1:09:21] Trustee Busheikin: The next item is 7.2.2, the referral from trust council,

[1:09:25] Trustee Busheikin: provide comment on the motion that was brought forward

[1:09:29] Trustee Busheikin: about advocacy to the BC Lieutenant Governor

[1:09:34] Trustee Busheikin: governor and council. And it's sort of my thought that this is perhaps going to be the

[1:09:41] Trustee Busheikin: sort of biggest discussion piece or one of them in this meeting. So I'd like to give us time

[1:09:46] Trustee Busheikin: to get into it. We have, I believe, the two people who brought this motion forward are here

[1:09:54] Trustee Busheikin: in the meeting, and I'm happy to see that. And I'm going to begin by, I'm just thinking about this,

[1:10:06] Trustee Busheikin: I'm going to begin by asking staff for comment and what kind of feedback they might be looking

[1:10:14] Trustee Busheikin: for and if they have input on this. And then before we go to opening the floor, I would like

[1:10:19] Trustee Busheikin: like to go to Scott and or Laura to speak, and then we can have discussions. So I imagine that

[1:10:27] Trustee Busheikin: would be you, Robert. It

[1:10:29] Voice 11: would. Thank you. So this was on Trust Council's agenda. It was a

[1:10:36] Voice 11: request for decision initiated by Trustees Patrick and Colburn. So you've seen it at Trust Council,

[1:10:42] Voice 11: you'll see it here. I've seen it here again. And essentially, it would be a request to the province

[1:10:48] Voice 11: to create fund to govern administer an island's trust housing authority type entity that will

[1:10:55] Voice 11: develop housing solutions across the trust area just to quote from a small part of the rfd

[1:11:01] Voice 11: and then trust council's resolution was to refer it to rpc for further consideration

[1:11:11] Voice 11: So that's kind of where it sits now at the RPC's table.

[1:11:20] Voice 11: In terms of comments, you know, it would be a significant request, you know, potential legislative changes, lots of different considerations that the province would certainly have.

[1:11:37] Voice 11: as i'm sure trustees know that regional districts currently have the ability to deliver housing

[1:11:43] Voice 11: services some do some don't so different parts of the trust area for example the capital regional

[1:11:50] Voice 11: district has a housing service other regional districts have not initiated that those services

[1:11:58] Voice 11: at least in the trust area so sort of generally the discussion i think it would benefit from

[1:12:04] Voice 11: having um sort of i'm trying to narrow the focus of the request um before sending it back to trust

[1:12:12] Voice 11: council to to really zero in on exactly what it is that's being requested thank

[1:12:19] Trustee Busheikin: you and um i believe

[1:12:22] Trustee Busheikin: that the reason that director freighter is here primarily is for this topic because it is an

[1:12:29] Trustee Busheikin: an advocacy topic.

[1:12:30] Trustee Busheikin: And in my mind, it could have easily,

[1:12:34] Trustee Busheikin: as easily been referred to as programs committee.

[1:12:38] Trustee Busheikin: So Claire, do you have any overall comments about this

[1:12:44] Trustee Busheikin: to help the committee deliberate on what to do with it?

[1:12:51] Voice 22: No, well, yes, I can give you some general,

[1:12:53] Voice 22: in your advocacy policy that Trust Council's adopted,

[1:12:55] Voice 22: you have general principles in there

[1:12:57] Voice 22: around working in cooperation,

[1:12:59] Voice 22: cooperation taking things forward that are you know well coordinated and researched and credible

[1:13:03] Voice 22: and all those sorts of value statements that are in that policy I would say with something like

[1:13:07] Voice 22: this you're going to want to be you know this is would potentially be the highest profile advocacy

[1:13:11] Voice 22: that you've done in quite a while going to the lieutenant governors you would want to make sure

[1:13:15] Voice 22: that the ask is clear in nature and consider the scope of the ask that you want to make

[1:13:22] Voice 22: and I would recommend as you move forward ideally working in coordination with other affected

[1:13:27] Voice 22: affected parties if they are to be affected, such as regional districts would likely be beneficial, but really it's at the, it would be at the request of Council how you wish to move this forward but those are the principles that you have to guide advocacy generally.

[1:13:42] Voice 22: So as I understand it, there's a couple of notions one is, you know, a new body of sorts, the other is simply looking at new funding. So having some clarity within the ask would be recommended.

[1:13:52] Voice 22: ended thank

[1:13:54] Trustee Busheikin: you um and then just before we go to the people who have initiated this is

[1:14:02] Trustee Busheikin: are you actually there and do you have any introductory comments he had sent a private

[1:14:13] Voice 7: message saying he had to step up for another meeting but he might yeah his it's i'm seeing

[1:14:21] Voice 7: his name and a little

[1:14:22] Trustee Busheikin: box for him, but I don't think he's actually there. Okay, so would either

[1:14:29] Trustee Busheikin: of the movers

[1:14:30] Voice 7: of this motion like to speak to it? I'll acknowledge

[1:14:37] Voice 18: this is

[1:14:38] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Coburn. I'm sure

[1:14:39] Trustee Patrick: we probably both would like to. Yeah,

[1:14:41] Voice 18: please go ahead, Trustee Patrick.

[1:14:43] Trustee Patrick: Oh, you want me to start

[1:14:44] Trustee Patrick: and then you can add. I don't know where to start. This is big. I won't say it is not a big, big,

[1:14:51] Trustee Patrick: big thing. But it's also a conversation with the province. It wasn't in any way thinking that we

[1:14:58] Trustee Patrick: were going to go into the province with, here's our solution. We solved it. It was, we need you.

[1:15:03] Trustee Patrick: We need your help. One of the motivations to writing the second part of this motion for me,

[1:15:13] Trustee Patrick: and I'll share the story, was back in the fall, I ended up in a meeting with our MLA Olson,

[1:15:20] Trustee Patrick: our electoral area director gary holman and myself in win with minister selena robinson

[1:15:27] Trustee Patrick: finance minister and all her staff and uh the meeting in was initiated with our electoral area

[1:15:35] Trustee Patrick: director pushing for the housing and speculation tax to be um brought into the area minister

[1:15:43] Trustee Patrick: robinson stopped the conversation said let's talk about the problem first what is the problem

[1:15:48] Trustee Patrick: And we talked about the problem being that it's about making existing structures available for rent that, you know, the rental market had disappeared and we were trying to incentivize and get people, you know, existing structures made available for rental.

[1:16:05] Trustee Patrick: And, and then one of our staff asked, how many units are we talking about? 16? I don't know where the number 16 came from.

[1:16:14] Trustee Patrick: I was like well our housing needs assessment said 300 and that likely is low for Salt Spring

[1:16:20] Trustee Patrick: so it helped we got into the conversation then about ah now we had sort of a problem she opened

[1:16:27] Trustee Patrick: the door and said that from a finance she was not keen I mean on the on the housing and speculation

[1:16:32] Trustee Patrick: taxes being the right tool but she would open the door to having a conversation thought that

[1:16:38] Trustee Patrick: Whistler Tofino and the islands had something in similar as you know having some vacation home

[1:16:43] Trustee Patrick: own properties and that a tool could be customized that would be useful so imagine here I am sitting

[1:16:50] Trustee Patrick: in a meeting with I have zero who am I I'm not representing a full local trust committee and I

[1:16:56] Trustee Patrick: don't represent trust council so that was one of the reasons for this motion as well is that we

[1:17:01] Trustee Patrick: have a trust council sponsored request to go work with the province to create something now I wasn't

[1:17:08] Trustee Patrick: here last term and I think Laura Breshekin you may have been the one that made it but there was a

[1:17:12] Trustee Patrick: motion made regarding the housing speculation tax in the previous previous term of the trust

[1:17:18] Trustee Patrick: council but it didn't dismiss it it basically did raise the fact of a customized solution again

[1:17:24] Trustee Patrick: being something that should be considered so here we are more than four years later and we haven't

[1:17:29] Trustee Patrick: made any move on trying to solve some of these problems using tools from above through the

[1:17:35] Trustee Patrick: province one of the reasons for wanting to solve this tool and if we look at our relationships we

[1:17:41] Trustee Patrick: We have with our regional districts, which I do work very closely with our regional district here, here in our region.

[1:17:47] Trustee Patrick: We have the regional district or the capital regional district.

[1:17:50] Trustee Patrick: They do have the letters patent. They have a housing authority.

[1:17:53] Trustee Patrick: They have no money. It always comes down to that.

[1:17:58] Trustee Patrick: No one has any money to pay for these things.

[1:18:01] Trustee Patrick: So as a trust area, if we could come up with a new mechanism through the province to create some funding, we could help with funding.

[1:18:13] Trustee Patrick: And we look at all of our work that we do with like BC housing, they're used to dealing with these major, you know, areas where hundreds of units, you know,

[1:18:26] Trustee Patrick: And some of our islands in our trust area is talking about six or 12 units they're trying to build.

[1:18:34] Trustee Patrick: It's a size difference that's quite, you know, so we're kind of like panes to BC housing.

[1:18:42] Trustee Patrick: housing, and having some sort of umbrella, if I think of it, as being able to channel the work

[1:18:49] Trustee Patrick: within our regions in an expert way to help with the provincial entities like BC housing and so

[1:18:56] Trustee Patrick: forth. So one that our islands aren't being pitted against each other should be Galliano

[1:19:01] Trustee Patrick: against Gabriola and competing for BC housing money, or we can help them. And also it's groups

[1:19:08] Trustee Patrick: groups of well-meaning, hardworking volunteers that are trying to bring these units into play

[1:19:15] Trustee Patrick: that need support and help. So there's a lot of reasons of having an umbrella

[1:19:22] Trustee Patrick: to help channel the work that needs to be done. And none of it can be done without some form of

[1:19:29] Trustee Patrick: funding mechanism. And that's through conversations with the province as well.

[1:19:34] Trustee Patrick: So, you know, this is a section of the act that has never been used before.

[1:19:39] Trustee Patrick: And I think it's a really powerful one.

[1:19:42] Trustee Patrick: Our islands, I mean, I can only really speak for Salt Spring, although I know it's happening on North Bender and Saterna is even feeling it.

[1:19:51] Trustee Patrick: Their pub can't be open, not the hours that they need to be, is we are in trouble.

[1:19:59] Trustee Patrick: You know, we're talking about today, the census, how many people came to our islands?

[1:20:03] Trustee Patrick: well how many people left our islands we're gutting a section laura

[1:20:09] Trustee Busheikin: i'm gonna cut in here

[1:20:10] Trustee Busheikin: because um we could probably have quite a lot of discussion in one time and i i just i want to put

[1:20:16] Trustee Busheikin: it out to the committee can we all agree that the um the housing crisis is is a proven fact both

[1:20:23] Trustee Busheikin: on all the islands through our housing needs assessment uh through bc and throughout canada

[1:20:29] Trustee Busheikin: and that we don't need to prove that to each other.

[1:20:34] Trustee Busheikin: So can we all just agree with that?

[1:20:37] Trustee Busheikin: Because I think we all know stories, we all know facts,

[1:20:40] Trustee Busheikin: we've all read things and at the risk of getting into it.

[1:20:46] Trustee Busheikin: I mean, Canada is sort of a world leader

[1:20:49] Trustee Busheikin: in escalation of housing crisis, I just learned.

[1:20:51] Trustee Busheikin: So I think we don't need to make the case

[1:20:55] Trustee Busheikin: that there's a housing crisis

[1:20:57] Trustee Busheikin: and that this is hugely affecting our communities

[1:21:00] Trustee Busheikin: economically, culturally,

[1:21:01] Trustee Busheikin: and in terms of community fabric.

[1:21:05] Trustee Patrick: Well, I'm happy to turn over to Trustee Colburn.

[1:21:09] Trustee Patrick: Okay, thank you.

[1:21:12] Voice 18: Yes, thank you.

[1:21:13] Voice 18: And I think, you know,

[1:21:14] Voice 18: trust council voted almost unanimously

[1:21:15] Voice 18: to declare a housing equity and workforce shortage crisis.

[1:21:19] Voice 18: So I, you know, we're all not understanding.

[1:21:21] Voice 18: I just wanna point out, you know,

[1:21:23] Voice 18: it's not the trust's given it's, you know,

[1:21:26] Voice 18: somewhat limited toolkit that we keep hearing about from orientation on throughout the mandate

[1:21:32] Voice 18: it doesn't have the power to do it on its own but it is it is part of the mandate to work

[1:21:38] Voice 18: collaboratively and that's where this is coming from is a desire to say we don't just represent

[1:21:43] Voice 18: developers of for-market real estate other systems processes and

[1:21:47] Voice 18: legislation tends to sort of over over represent that particular service because that's that's the

[1:21:55] Voice 18: applications we get and that's what our first community plans have miscalculated in my opinion

[1:21:59] Voice 18: there's far too much of one type of housing and not enough of another it's definitely been the

[1:22:04] Voice 18: trust mandate to look at land use and residential use is a huge part of what's eating up ecosystems

[1:22:09] Voice 18: and it's not been done in an equitable way on land that is um in my opinion calls into question the

[1:22:17] Voice 18: legitimacy of any of these official community plans or regulations and so the province has

[1:22:21] Voice 18: a responsibility here it's our responsibility to raise the voices of renters of of people who

[1:22:28] Voice 18: have not had a voice in in this these systems and processes and have been left out and and

[1:22:37] Voice 18: it's at the detriment of the ecosystems and the habitats and the cultural heritage sites

[1:22:41] Voice 18: this intensification of development pressure that's coming from market real estate it's been

[1:22:46] Voice 18: intensified over the past three years and we need the resources to be able to find solutions that

[1:22:53] Voice 18: look at the environment that look at contiguous tracks of forests that also look at housing needs

[1:22:57] Voice 18: assessments that draw a really dire picture of the numbers and it's not a question of adding people

[1:23:03] Voice 18: to the islands it's looking at you've allowed under the systems that you have so far this number

[1:23:09] Voice 18: and it's almost exclusively, and I use that term very purposefully, exclusively of a certain form

[1:23:16] Voice 18: of housing. And that's going to lead to health issues with your community, with the intensification

[1:23:21] Voice 18: of use on the environment. And there's been a huge uplift in the property assessments and the demand

[1:23:26] Voice 18: and all the housing pieces that go with it, the transportation costs of things moving back and

[1:23:31] Voice 18: forth and gravel and all the rest of it. We need the province's help. And this is a way to ask for

[1:23:37] Voice 18: it without saying, going through the specifics of how they solve it, because they do have to

[1:23:41] Voice 18: work with regional districts. And we are, LTC was in a protocol meeting with the regional district

[1:23:45] Voice 18: of Nanaimo, the chair outlined the exact same thing and was looking at solutions from a regional

[1:23:52] Voice 18: district point of view, because they've done a social needs assessment and they know this is the

[1:23:56] Voice 18: most dire situation facing rural and remote communities and the habitats that used to

[1:24:02] Voice 18: sustain them but are now just being you know sold for the highest bidder um the province the uplift

[1:24:07] Voice 18: and property assessments the lack of funding the province has provided the island's trust since

[1:24:10] Voice 18: its formation considering the task that's in its mandate listen the money is there because it's

[1:24:16] Voice 18: been put in there for generations and it's only um it's only up to us to ask for how for how it

[1:24:22] Voice 18: be used um around certain issues that the trust can't solve on its own we need help thank you

[1:24:30] Trustee Busheikin: so uh and welcome back ceo hudson pillar um we are discussing the advocacy around the housing

[1:24:36] Trustee Busheikin: authority um and we heard from staff and we've now heard from uh the two trustees that put the

[1:24:44] Trustee Busheikin: motion forward to council and i'm um about to open it up for discussion but do you have any

[1:24:51] Trustee Busheikin: comments at this point to help guide us or do you

[1:24:55] Voice 13: want to listen

[1:24:56] Trustee Busheikin: for a while

[1:24:56] Voice 13: no i i'm here to

[1:24:58] Voice 13: actually listen and learn um a bit more and uh understand that uh the direction i i have a bit

[1:25:03] Voice 13: of a feel for it and uh thank you very much

[1:25:05] Trustee Busheikin: okay um so the floor is open for uh for discussion

[1:25:12] Trustee Busheikin: with you know and i again i want to it is it's a complex and and uh i think an emotional issue

[1:25:17] Trustee Busheikin: for a lot of us um and i would like to ask us to stay focused on do we want to do this piece

[1:25:26] Trustee Busheikin: piece of advocacy, something similar to it? Do we want to tweak it? Do we want to do something

[1:25:32] Trustee Busheikin: different or not do anything at all? Because we could talk about housing and housing solutions

[1:25:38] Trustee Busheikin: and all of that and non-solutions for days and days and days. So let's keep it focused

[1:25:44] Trustee Busheikin: on the question before us.

[1:25:46] Voice 7: And I'm looking for hands to go up. Okay, I knocked myself in there

[1:25:55] Voice 7: at some point so uh janine go ahead i just want to say

[1:26:00] Voice 9: that i was i thank god no longer am but i

[1:26:04] Voice 9: have been a landlord on main island since about 1973 so i certainly know what rental situations

[1:26:12] Voice 9: are um i think that we've always certainly on my island and i think each island is different in its

[1:26:19] Voice 9: needs. This is where the concept of this being for the entire trust area concerns me. So trying

[1:26:26] Voice 9: to put it in simple terms, rentals come and go. We're currently faced with, I think, a federal

[1:26:32] Voice 9: Canada-wide issue over lack of rental housing. What I know are people who have moved to Maine

[1:26:39] Voice 9: Island with families a few years ago, because surprise, surprise, rents here were half of what

[1:26:45] Voice 9: they are in sydney um we have people advertised on our info page you know a family of four wanting to

[1:26:52] Voice 9: move to main island have you got a rental because in general our rentals are now currently if they

[1:26:58] Voice 9: were available and in the past substantially lower than what you will find on the mainland or in

[1:27:04] Voice 9: vancouver island um so i you know we need to have a diverse mixed community we've always had tenants

[1:27:11] Voice 9: We have tenants on Maine Island who have been tenants for 46 plus years.

[1:27:16] Voice 9: So within our community, we support them.

[1:27:18] Voice 9: We want to keep them.

[1:27:19] Voice 9: I have a concern that we are now moving too much towards the idea of trying to accommodate

[1:27:25] Voice 9: everyone's needs.

[1:27:26] Voice 9: And that is going to bump into the whole preserve and protect issue for me.

[1:27:30] Voice 9: Maine is already at build out.

[1:27:32] Voice 9: We've overdeveloped before the Island's Trust was here.

[1:27:35] Voice 9: So how are we going to accommodate more rentals?

[1:27:37] Voice 9: and uh and then just to keep this short because everyone will want to talk the reality of what

[1:27:43] Voice 9: people are calling affordable housing today building inspector who comes from pender crd

[1:27:48] Voice 9: tells me that just your foundation alone is 90 a square foot i have built three houses in my time

[1:27:56] Voice 9: my 50 odd years of marriage so i know what it costs to build a house what the process is and

[1:28:02] Voice 9: And he tells me $90 a square foot.

[1:28:04] Voice 9: My first house cost me $10 a square foot to walk up.

[1:28:07] Voice 9: So there's no such thing as affordable.

[1:28:10] Voice 9: The costs in the Gulf Islands are far higher than they are in any other community.

[1:28:15] Voice 9: I believe it's a bottomless pit.

[1:28:17] Voice 9: I don't think that we, the trust, will find the answer.

[1:28:20] Voice 9: And I have a lot of hesitation on us taking on a project like this.

[1:28:26] Voice 9: I think trust council as a whole has to prioritize exactly what we want to do.

[1:28:31] Voice 9: and whether we can actually accomplish anything.

[1:28:34] Voice 9: So I'll stop now

[1:28:35] Voice 9: because I actually could go on for hours.

[1:28:37] Voice 9: Thank you.

[1:28:39] Trustee Busheikin: And I will just remind us

[1:28:41] Trustee Busheikin: because we all could go on for hours.

[1:28:46] Trustee Busheikin: If you need to summarize the housing situation

[1:28:49] Trustee Busheikin: on your island, keep it brief

[1:28:51] Trustee Busheikin: because we all understand there are these,

[1:28:54] Trustee Busheikin: we have decided as a council,

[1:28:57] Trustee Busheikin: we have declared there's a housing

[1:28:59] Trustee Busheikin: and workforce availability crisis.

[1:29:02] Trustee Busheikin: So we know that.

[1:29:03] Trustee Busheikin: It's do we want to do this advocacy or other similar advocacy or nothing?

[1:29:10] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Longerice.

[1:29:12] Voice 1: Thank you.

[1:29:13] Trustee Busheikin: You can put your hand down.

[1:29:14] Voice 1: I'll try to keep it short.

[1:29:17] Voice 1: My questions revolve around the motion itself.

[1:29:21] Voice 1: One of the issues I've got is with respect to the statement in accordance with Section 8.2.E of the Islands Trust Act.

[1:29:28] Voice 1: I'd like to know what sort of legal implications there are with us using this power to basically

[1:29:34] Voice 1: say we want to establish a housing agency based on this part of our act.

[1:29:40] Voice 1: Are we in fact saying that providing a housing service is part of the trust mandate?

[1:29:46] Voice 1: Because that's what this section is talking about, it's talking about policies related

[1:29:50] Voice 1: to a trust mandate.

[1:29:52] Voice 1: So I have a concern about that.

[1:29:53] Voice 1: I don't agree with that.

[1:29:55] Voice 1: This is advocacy.

[1:29:56] Voice 1: I have no problem. Advocacy. We should be right.

[1:30:00] Voice 1: letters to the as a trust maybe individual trust committees to the province as a whole to our

[1:30:06] Voice 1: minister raising the profile of our problem and basically what we're saying is BC housing is not

[1:30:12] Voice 1: adequate and our regional district like Nanaimo doesn't have a housing section per se like the

[1:30:19] Voice 1: CRD does so you know there's an issue there about them but are we trying to become a regional

[1:30:26] Voice 1: is what it's almost appears to be if we use this part of the act that's my one question.

[1:30:31] Voice 1: I have a concern.

[1:30:33] Voice 1: The motions itself.

[1:30:36] Voice 1: The parts to the talking about single user market housing really what we seem to be saying is, we don't want single family dwellings, where there's only one single family dwelling on the property as I think that's the bottom line.

[1:30:51] Voice 1: uh because single user uh single user market valued homes includes an apartment i mean you

[1:31:00] Voice 1: know so the definitely so if we're going to present this to government we need to define

[1:31:04] Voice 1: what we're talking about and because when i read that i to me if there's a 12 unit apartment

[1:31:10] Voice 1: building there's 12 single family homes just not uh discrete not separate standalone so

[1:31:17] Voice 1: uh the other comment i had was noted that it said seems to be implying that there would be

[1:31:24] Voice 1: no density increase that we've got a certain build out that's capacity now so really are we

[1:31:29] Voice 1: talking about an entity that's going to use be densely neutral i guess is the question i've got

[1:31:37] Voice 15: with

[1:31:37] Voice 1: in terms of multiple housing you know multiple affordable housing or

[1:31:41] Voice 1: or a market rental housing multiple so i've got a question about that um there was some other

[1:31:51] Voice 1: oh the other question i got this what sort of entity are we contemplating is it a like a crown

[1:31:57] Voice 1: corporation is it going to be in a statute a separate statute or what who's going to fund it

[1:32:04] Voice 1: like those are all this is and i'm assuming this motion is to what you would want to go forward

[1:32:09] Voice 1: well as government i would want had to have these questions you know what are you trying to fund

[1:32:14] Voice 1: you know who's gonna is it gonna be own owning land uh distributing uh uh grants uh a rental

[1:32:23] Voice 1: subsidy or what you know what are the details uh i think you need when you go to government

[1:32:27] Voice 1: you need to have an idea as to what you're thinking not just in general terms so uh so

[1:32:35] Voice 1: So I have a concern about that.

[1:32:39] Voice 1: There's some other points.

[1:32:42] Voice 1: Staffing and opting in and out.

[1:32:44] Voice 1: I'm not sure what that actually means for a local trust area to opt in or out.

[1:32:50] Voice 1: And would it be the tax base, be a local trust, the trust area as a whole or the province as a whole?

[1:32:57] Voice 1: also and i'm not sure what was contemplated when this when you know when the details are put forward

[1:33:04] Voice 1: in a motion that presumably would go to the lieutenant governor but those are some of my

[1:33:09] Voice 1: comments um

[1:33:12] Trustee Busheikin: there's a lot of questions and i think you know some of them we could get into discussing

[1:33:16] Trustee Busheikin: but i mean i imagine well it's recorded and people are taking notes on taking notes i'd like to just

[1:33:21] Trustee Busheikin: keep hearing from trustees so we had trustee dodds i had myself on the speakers list and then trustee

[1:33:27] Trustee Busheikin: Stanford.

[1:33:29] Voice 7: So Janine, is your hand just up from before?

[1:33:33] Trustee Busheikin: Sorry, I forgot to take it down. Okay.

[1:33:37] Trustee Busheikin: So I'll just make a few comments. I have similar questions. I really appreciated hearing from

[1:33:44] Trustee Busheikin: Trustee Patrick about the genesis of this and what's behind it and looking, listening to that

[1:33:50] Trustee Busheikin: and where this came from and what the intention is. I am currently certainly feeling in favor of

[1:33:57] Trustee Busheikin: putting forward an ask to the province. I'm not, I don't think what we have right now is exactly

[1:34:06] Trustee Busheikin: the right way to do it or the right ask. So my, at this point in the discussion, I would be

[1:34:15] Trustee Busheikin: interested in slowing this down a bit and perhaps getting a working group or subcommittee or some

[1:34:22] Trustee Busheikin: staff to do or a a workshop session to to tease out more what we're asking for it sounds to me

[1:34:31] Trustee Busheikin: like there's i mean the trust could go down a whole path of really whittling down what we think

[1:34:38] Trustee Busheikin: is best we want like it to be this kind of authority and they would own and they would

[1:34:42] Trustee Busheikin: give grants or they wouldn't give grants and these perhaps i i personally think that that

[1:34:46] Trustee Busheikin: we don't have the expertise we don't have the time um we don't have it's a huge project and

[1:34:51] Trustee Busheikin: And that's not our, what we're supposed to do.

[1:34:54] Trustee Busheikin: So I think more what we're asking for is, is a conversation and consideration in more

[1:35:00] Trustee Busheikin: broad strokes, a problem definition to do the problem definition, which we have, we

[1:35:07] Trustee Busheikin: have all the housing needs assessments so that we don't have to really define the housing

[1:35:12] Trustee Busheikin: problem, but the, why is BC housing not working?

[1:35:16] Trustee Busheikin: Like, what is it about our situation that warrants special attention and special measures?

[1:35:21] Trustee Busheikin: I think has to be laid out and it sounds like it's really mainly about funding and then a

[1:35:29] Trustee Busheikin: mechanism for that funding that will work for island communities and the reality of island

[1:35:36] Trustee Busheikin: communities and and I feeling and I don't know the wording is what we want to talk about or ask

[1:35:41] Trustee Busheikin: the province for really is to begin a discussion and to consider this and consider going forward

[1:35:49] Trustee Busheikin: and in some ways it's up to the province perhaps looking working with regional districts and

[1:35:55] Trustee Busheikin: working with the trust to figure out how they would want to do this it could be a subset

[1:35:59] Trustee Busheikin: of bc housing it's a special grants like a lot of funders they have special grants for different

[1:36:06] Trustee Busheikin: regions or different types of housing bc housing does have an innovative housing fund but it's

[1:36:12] Trustee Busheikin: very small and very specific and um definitely the the yeah i i can bring forward examples of

[1:36:21] Trustee Busheikin: how hard it is for island communities creating housing trying to create housing to work with bc

[1:36:27] Trustee Busheikin: housing um it just isn't a good fit in many cases so my sense is that i'd like to take a bit of a

[1:36:37] Trustee Busheikin: step back to the actual goal here and get clear about how and where to ask for that goal. I don't

[1:36:46] Trustee Busheikin: know if this provision, this order to the, I don't have the words in front of me, to the

[1:36:57] Trustee Busheikin: governor general or whatever it is we're doing is the right way. I don't know why we wouldn't just

[1:37:02] Trustee Busheikin: go back to Selena Robinson or to Josie Osborne to have the discussion. And I am, I would certainly

[1:37:14] Trustee Busheikin: remove the reference about the single user houses. I'm sympathetic to the thoughts behind that,

[1:37:22] Trustee Busheikin: but I think that's getting far too detailed actually. And I think that there's, I think

[1:37:33] Trustee Busheikin: that's up to local trustees to look at what kind of things they want to give permits to and allow

[1:37:38] Trustee Busheikin: in their regulations. And I don't think we can just ask the province or a housing authority to

[1:37:43] Trustee Busheikin: somehow change the housing pattern so that we don't have as much focus on single family homes.

[1:37:51] Trustee Busheikin: And I do think anyways, any kind of housing authority or public housing tends to shy away

[1:37:56] Trustee Busheikin: from that. And we may still want subsidized ownership type entry level housing as a form

[1:38:03] Trustee Busheikin: of affordable housing. There's plenty of examples of that, including in the San Juans.

[1:38:09] Trustee Busheikin: And it could be duplexes, it could be triplexes. Yeah, so I'm not quite sure how I would take this

[1:38:19] Trustee Busheikin: forward. But I think I've made my thoughts clear at this point. And thank you for listening. I'll

[1:38:24] Trustee Busheikin: i'll go to trustee stamford then wolverton luckham and then longer ice again um

[1:38:29] Trustee Stamford: thank you chair i

[1:38:30] Trustee Stamford: really appreciate the the wide range of the conversation because we don't have an opportunity

[1:38:35] Trustee Stamford: to to discuss it like this when we talked about a trust council um i i'm a very strong believer

[1:38:44] Trustee Stamford: in the federation and our ability to forward advocacy and planning issues as a federation

[1:38:49] Trustee Stamford: But speaking from my local trust area, we are often on the periphery of the big issues. And this is another one, along with water and forestry and various foreshore issues.

[1:39:08] Trustee Stamford: issues. Housing isn't an issue for us, and I would hate to be pulled into something that affects

[1:39:16] Trustee Stamford: the community in a way that we don't have a problem with. And I was hoping to see more

[1:39:25] Trustee Stamford: planning solutions, given that we are nowhere near build-out, and that this could be a problem.

[1:39:32] Trustee Stamford: I want to look at what ways planning can offset issues so that we're not in the same position as Trustee Dobbs described for Maine Island.

[1:39:45] Trustee Stamford: So that was where I was hoping to see something.

[1:39:48] Trustee Stamford: But I'm also hearing from islands that are so obviously in dire straits, and they want to act now.

[1:39:55] Trustee Stamford: I mean, the talk of bringing it back for discussions and are we approaching it correctly?

[1:40:02] Trustee Stamford: I can imagine they're just going crazy because they need solutions yesterday.

[1:40:08] Trustee Stamford: So we're at so many different levels of need and process.

[1:40:14] Trustee Stamford: I'm not, I was wondering if there's a way to divide this up so that advocacy goes to

[1:40:20] Trustee Stamford: programs and that we sit strictly with the planning.

[1:40:25] Trustee Stamford: part of this and that we just keep moving it forward in that way so it's just general comments

[1:40:30] Trustee Stamford: I can't I don't have a specific oh one one quick thing is what is unusual for us compared to

[1:40:37] Trustee Stamford: everyone else in BC and Canada as far as housing crisis we live on islands they're closed systems

[1:40:42] Trustee Stamford: they're particularly sensitive to overdevelopment we are completely reliable on the BC ferries

[1:40:51] Trustee Stamford: I think we need to focus, as far as advocacy, on our uniqueness within this overall crisis.

[1:41:00] Trustee Stamford: Thank you.

[1:41:00] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[1:41:02] Trustee Busheikin: Jane.

[1:41:04] Voice 6: Yeah, I agree with your comments, Laura, on maybe stepping back a little bit and looking at some sort of workshop or task force

[1:41:18] Voice 6: that could include the other entities like bc housing like the provincial government and

[1:41:24] Voice 6: that are bringing people together um our problem on galliano we have two housing affordable housing

[1:41:30] Voice 6: projects on our docket and for 20 and 12 units and um one of the problems when the these uh

[1:41:42] Voice 6: societies have gone to bc housing i mean they're i think they're getting there but basically you

[1:41:48] Voice 6: have to have a lot of capacity you have to be shovel ready to get the funding and if you don't

[1:41:53] Voice 6: have the capacity to sort of work out all of that and that capacity is is costly so that's all of

[1:42:00] Voice 6: the the different reports and so on um and i don't know the you know the idea of a subset of bc

[1:42:07] Voice 6: housing or i just i think that having everyone at the table and having a really deep discussion

[1:42:14] Voice 6: about it would really, it may, you know, it may generate some new ideas that we haven't thought

[1:42:22] Voice 6: of. So, yeah, and whether we divide advocacy from planning, that might, you know, be approached. But

[1:42:30] Voice 6: I think I would first like to see a start with the players and the funders.

[1:42:38] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. And please, everyone, remember to take your hand down. Thank you. Trustee Longerice.

[1:42:44] Voice 1: Yeah, I just wanted to follow up on one point I was talking about.

[1:42:48] Voice 1: This section in the Island Trust Act, which says make recommendations to the lieutenant governor and council.

[1:42:54] Voice 1: So it's a direct request to the lieutenant governor.

[1:42:57] Voice 1: The only two other acts use this terminology.

[1:43:01] Voice 1: It is quite unusual.

[1:43:02] Voice 1: usual and this is the professional governance act which is where they are allowed to make

[1:43:06] Voice 1: recommendations to the lieutenant governor in regards to the selection process and principles

[1:43:13] Voice 1: for appointments so it's very specific and then the other one is the environment and land use act

[1:43:21] Voice 1: which is a committee comprised of cabinet members and MLA's in regards to land use and they can make

[1:43:28] Voice 1: a direct recommendation so i'm not sure how this that power why it's here and and because to me

[1:43:38] Voice 1: it's it's must be talking either talking directly to the lieutenant governor but when we make a

[1:43:44] Voice 1: request under this pre under the premise of the ia act we do draw in i believe the trust object and

[1:43:51] Voice 1: the ia act and and the purpose of the agency so that's where it's a very unusual uh wording

[1:43:57] Voice 1: Usually it's, you know, it's going to cabinets,

[1:44:00] Voice 1: going through the minister into two cabinet,

[1:44:03] Voice 1: which includes the LGIC, the Executive Council.

[1:44:07] Voice 1: So it's an unusual provision.

[1:44:12] Voice 7: Thank you.

[1:44:15] Voice 7: Peter Lockham.

[1:44:19] Voice 7: Thank you, Chair.

[1:44:21] Voice 7: I

[1:44:22] Trustee Luckham: just want to speak to that ask actually that's here.

[1:44:28] Trustee Luckham: year. And I will say that when this idea first sort of got germinated, it wasn't as clear as

[1:44:37] Trustee Luckham: what this particular motion is brought forward to us by Justices Patrick and Colburn, and thank

[1:44:43] Trustee Luckham: them for bringing this here. I wasn't sure that approaching the Lieutenant Governor was necessarily

[1:44:51] Trustee Luckham: necessarily the right thing to do on any particular topic, not necessarily even just this

[1:44:58] Trustee Luckham: topic. But the question arises is whether or not we've asked or exhausted all possibilities for the

[1:45:05] Trustee Luckham: province to resolve this. However, I've come to the place where I support this act. And I think

[1:45:16] Trustee Luckham: that we need to from my point of view my reading of this and it's up to the the those that have

[1:45:23] Trustee Luckham: brought this motion to us to clarify their intent but my reading of this um is that we are asking

[1:45:32] Trustee Luckham: the lieutenant governor to consider that we believe that there's a problem and we believe

[1:45:40] Trustee Luckham: there's a necessity for a mechanism, and I like that word, a mechanism to help resolve this

[1:45:48] Trustee Luckham: problem. And I don't think it's appropriate for us to jump to the conclusion that we are going

[1:45:57] Trustee Luckham: to be the administrators of this. We are going to be the facilitators of this. That would be up to

[1:46:05] Trustee Luckham: somebody else to determine whether or not there needs to be, I think Kate Louise just said,

[1:46:10] Trustee Luckham: a subcommittee here either but i think that the problem is is that there's not sufficient

[1:46:20] Trustee Luckham: resources or ability or planning associated with the housing situation on the islands

[1:46:27] Trustee Luckham: and that we think there's a problem and ostensibly asking the lieutenant governor to look at it and

[1:46:35] Trustee Luckham: come to the come to some conclusion that there is or is not a problem and then make some

[1:46:40] Trustee Luckham: some recommendations to the province based upon that in order to resolve the problem if indeed

[1:46:46] Trustee Luckham: they agree that there is a problem. I would suggest that if any of these subsections there,

[1:46:56] Trustee Luckham: A through G, are things that you can't live with, I think it's worthy of asking the question,

[1:47:04] Trustee Luckham: and maybe it just needs to be a shorter list. And if there's one that was pointed out

[1:47:09] Trustee Luckham: but single user dwellings delete that one and any other one or just simply ask the question

[1:47:15] Trustee Luckham: with no clarification in order for the lieutenant governor to ideally spend the time and ask whether

[1:47:23] Trustee Luckham: or not there's a problem in the gulf islands or not and then come up with some kind of a

[1:47:27] Trustee Luckham: recommendation with respect to that so um i would suggest that you might consider amending the

[1:47:34] Trustee Luckham: motion but i would also support advancing this because i think we're not we're just asking the

[1:47:39] Trustee Luckham: question there you go thank

[1:47:42] Voice 7: you no thank

[1:47:49] Trustee Patrick: you trustee luckham i think for whatever reason

[1:47:54] Trustee Patrick: this is in the act we can we can debate why it's there or not and i think it is a chance to

[1:48:00] Trustee Patrick: to be different than advocacy this is saying you know help and i and i think our communities would

[1:48:06] Trustee Patrick: would appreciate it um and i can assure you that in no way are we taught are watering down our

[1:48:17] Trustee Patrick: mandate this is about preserving and protecting the environment in that we if we don't do some

[1:48:24] Trustee Patrick: changes you know the there's the growth and the demand of more housing here is coming and it seems

[1:48:32] Trustee Patrick: we just continue to seem to be okay with that um and and that's you know we all have to look

[1:48:41] Trustee Patrick: at ourselves in that mirror and say are we okay with ongoing market development on these islands

[1:48:47] Trustee Patrick: because every piece of property is going to be subdivided and built our rules allow it uh

[1:48:59] Voice 7: trustee colburn and um remember to put your hands

[1:49:03] Trustee Busheikin: down afterwards hand

[1:49:06] Voice 18: just went down i just want to

[1:49:07] Voice 18: To very quickly thank Trustee Luckum, that's exactly the point.

[1:49:13] Voice 18: We have to make an ask and to ask within the mandate of the Islands Trust, because that

[1:49:19] Voice 18: actually empowers what's happened with the trust and the power of that mandate, which

[1:49:24] Voice 18: is unrealized in many ways because the residential use has been allowed to sort of take over

[1:49:32] Voice 18: over as opposed to being part of that protection of ecosystems mapping and protecting cultural

[1:49:38] Voice 18: heritage sites and we can i i completely agree these items are for backing up the motion that

[1:49:46] Voice 18: they're items of information this should be a general ask here's the issues please solve this

[1:49:51] Voice 18: in collaboration as the mandate requires you to with with first nations with regional districts

[1:49:56] Voice 18: with other levels of government and to do it to preserve and protect the natural environment and

[1:50:01] Voice 18: and rural remote communities that actually empowers the islands trust to be

[1:50:05] Voice 18: part of solutions as opposed to just allowing a resource drain,

[1:50:11] Voice 18: a constant resource drain and getting funding of $150,000 from the province,

[1:50:16] Voice 18: which no comes nowhere near the uplift in property assessment.

[1:50:19] Voice 18: So this is a fairness and equity issue. It's also,

[1:50:23] Voice 18: it's just raising the,

[1:50:25] Voice 18: the question with the province and asking them to be part of the solution

[1:50:28] Voice 18: along with us. So thank you.

[1:50:31] Voice 18: Thank you, Chair Luckin, for that point.

[1:50:35] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[1:50:36] Trustee Busheikin: And I put myself on the speaker's list again, and I'll try and be brief, and then I want

[1:50:40] Trustee Busheikin: to invite if there's anyone who hasn't spoken who would like to speak up, it is often really

[1:50:46] Trustee Busheikin: valuable to hear from the people who are doing most of the listening.

[1:50:50] Trustee Busheikin: And my comment is, I like the direction of bringing this back to the more general ask.

[1:50:55] Trustee Busheikin: But I do want to point out, like, issues of overdevelopment on our islands or subdivision

[1:50:59] Trustee Busheikin: and and big expensive houses going up um that are you know all just for one couple or like

[1:51:08] Trustee Busheikin: having an entity like this is not going to change that like that is up to us and and it we can

[1:51:17] Trustee Busheikin: change our zoning we can down zone everything as apparently they did in squamish and say you have to

[1:51:23] Trustee Busheikin: come forward with a i don't know an environmental plan for your development before you're allowed

[1:51:29] Trustee Busheikin: to build a house or we could say no houses over 2000 square feet like we could um change subdivision

[1:51:38] Trustee Busheikin: and density like a lot of that's on us like i think what we're talking about here if i look at

[1:51:44] Trustee Busheikin: it is a housing authority type entity that will develop housing solutions but they're not going

[1:51:49] Trustee Busheikin: to be saying change how you develop your island that's that is on us um and it and it will be if

[1:51:57] Trustee Busheikin: If we're asking them to develop housing solutions, we will need to offer some space for that.

[1:52:03] Trustee Busheikin: And that is within our zoning and our OCP and our regulations of what kind of space that is.

[1:52:09] Trustee Busheikin: Do we, you know, what is in our OCPs about affordable housing and multi-unit houses and secondary suites and that kind of thing?

[1:52:18] Trustee Busheikin: That's where we get to shape it.

[1:52:21] Trustee Busheikin: So that's where things like the type of housing and all of that is, that's where our powers are.

[1:52:29] Trustee Busheikin: And so I think we need to be clear that we're not handing over or asking for help with the changing development patterns altogether.

[1:52:41] Trustee Busheikin: This is an ask about support for affordable housing.

[1:52:46] Trustee Busheikin: And I think it's legitimate.

[1:52:48] Trustee Busheikin: and I think I would like to see us go back to a more general ask and I think this needs to be

[1:52:53] Trustee Busheikin: backed up with some um you know a covering letter or um analysis and there's some good stuff here

[1:53:03] Trustee Busheikin: on your background but a little bit more to really make the case of why the islands trust because

[1:53:09] Trustee Busheikin: if they do this for the trust every community is going to be asking for it because every community

[1:53:13] Trustee Busheikin: is suffering and or almost every community so we really need to make that case and then I am

[1:53:20] Trustee Busheikin: actually curious what they're coming up with and I have to say I in no way ever thought reading this

[1:53:25] Trustee Busheikin: that it's an ask to create something that would be a new islands trust entity that really would

[1:53:31] Trustee Busheikin: take us out of our mandate and yeah I can't even imagine it would be so complicated I think

[1:53:40] Trustee Busheikin: This is asking for the provincial government to create something as they have created and funded BC housing, but it's not achieving its goals and our goals and needs for affordable housing in our communities for numerous reasons.

[1:54:00] Trustee Busheikin: uh so that is me done with my comments uh seeing um cao hudson pillar and it is 11 58 we were

[1:54:12] Trustee Busheikin: hoping for a break around noon so let's see where this goes and thanks for uh putting your hand up

[1:54:19] Trustee Busheikin: rascal ahead well

[1:54:21] Voice 13: it's with uh i wouldn't call it fear but uh uh as a very um um and interested

[1:54:29] Voice 13: and related bystander to the conversation just a couple of thoughts um and keep in mind staff

[1:54:36] Voice 13: have just followed from trust council to now we haven't sat on this issue until you direct us to

[1:54:41] Voice 13: do it um so i just offered two or three things um for your consideration one i think that this

[1:54:49] Voice 13: conversation itself has delved into very much the pieces that need to be discussed and you might

[1:54:56] Voice 13: want to have another conversation or another variant of this conversation because you're

[1:55:00] Voice 13: i think you're getting to what the intention of this is i do think we haven't used section eight

[1:55:07] Voice 13: to um before to my knowledge and i think section eight uh is designed for exactly this reason

[1:55:17] Voice 13: eight two e and that is not necessary you're providing a solution but you're also saying

[1:55:23] Voice 13: there's an emerging issue and this is a mechanism by which a more direct or official mechanism by

[1:55:28] Voice 13: which you can identify that to the lieutenant governor i would recommend we spend a little

[1:55:35] Voice 13: legal money um just researching that capability as this decision as you as you move forward with

[1:55:41] Voice 13: this i don't think that would hurt and i suspect the governance review that's imminent is going

[1:55:46] Voice 13: to be looking at this mechanism as a way to do trust business um i think that the case could

[1:55:53] Voice 13: be made that the whole that you could put a period at the end of trust area a and not have

[1:55:58] Voice 13: those codicils though i understand they're explanatory and the reason is is that i think

[1:56:03] Voice 13: for at least e um that is a matter that each ocp has or has not come to terms with in terms of and

[1:56:11] Voice 13: i speak as a planner because i would i would agree with e but um i don't think the various local

[1:56:17] Voice 13: trust committees have gotten to a place where they agree that that's a solution to um that issue or

[1:56:23] Voice 13: at least that's an issue that would need to be considered and trust council probably couldn't

[1:56:27] Voice 13: speak on behalf of the ltas in terms of e specifically um perhaps even d so maybe you

[1:56:34] Voice 13: want to parse those out a little bit more and i think finally the and i could be wrong and there's

[1:56:41] Voice 13: a great chance i am part of the reason for this is the provision of addressing this crisis

[1:56:48] Voice 13: requires so many different inputs and considerations that are fragmented at this time

[1:56:54] Voice 13: and can't deliver collectively and i think the trust is acknowledging it can't deliver

[1:57:00] Voice 13: collectively and that others aren't as well and that there has to be a rationale where the island's

[1:57:06] Voice 13: trust region needs greater collective action associated with this not versus other regions

[1:57:14] Voice 13: but because of the preserve and protect mandate or the special nature of the islands and our

[1:57:21] Voice 13: requirements under the mandate of the islands trust and that is a rationale i think could be

[1:57:27] Voice 13: brought out a little more more deeply to say that this special entity if it is created needs to

[1:57:35] Voice 13: exist for this reason that that fragmentation is not working or delivering on how this is getting

[1:57:41] Voice 13: getting done. So that's an, just an initial reading of the specific request and where you

[1:57:50] Voice 13: might want to keep having your conversations. Thank you.

[1:57:55] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. I personally found that

[1:57:58] Trustee Busheikin: very helpful. And I imagine I see some nodding out there because this is a big thing to even

[1:58:05] Trustee Busheikin: kind of know how to, it's like a big thing to grasp and know how to even work with it because

[1:58:11] Trustee Busheikin: has it's big it's just uh yeah um so there's no hands right now I'm sure that um that there will

[1:58:20] Trustee Busheikin: be I um I would like to suggest that we aim to take another 15 to 20 minutes with this and then

[1:58:29] Trustee Busheikin: take our lunch break and wrap it up before lunch um but I'm um you know if people are getting really

[1:58:37] Trustee Busheikin: hungry and antsy and really need a break I think that's that's important so we do good work but

[1:58:41] Trustee Busheikin: but can I just see maybe like a physical thumb

[1:58:44] Trustee Busheikin: of 15 to 20 more minutes for that physical thumb?

[1:58:51] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, I'm seeing thumb down for that.

[1:58:52] Trustee Busheikin: And then a lot of blanks.

[1:58:54] Trustee Busheikin: So I'm not seeing, I'm seeing another thumb up.

[1:58:57] Trustee Busheikin: I'm down.

[1:58:57] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, thumbs down.

[1:58:59] Trustee Busheikin: I'm down.

[1:58:59] Trustee Busheikin: So let's have a lunch break.

[1:59:02] Trustee Busheikin: So it's kind of like things are hanging here.

[1:59:04] Trustee Busheikin: Gives us, you know, cause we need to,

[1:59:06] Trustee Busheikin: I think we want to move something forward.

[1:59:08] Trustee Busheikin: Either just put the period at the end of area.

[1:59:12] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, I'm going to just summarize what I think I'm hearing as options.

[1:59:17] Trustee Busheikin: We can say we need to talk about this more and talk about it more.

[1:59:21] Trustee Busheikin: We can ask staff to come back with various analyses.

[1:59:24] Trustee Busheikin: What I think I heard from our CAO was we could perhaps put a period after area, or we could

[1:59:32] Trustee Busheikin: include some of the A to G, perhaps remove E, perhaps remove D.

[1:59:40] Trustee Busheikin: asked staff to do a little bit of legal investigation and, you know, maybe a sort of

[1:59:49] Trustee Busheikin: covering letter, but that we're moving this forward. We could, as an option, do that. Is that

[1:59:55] Trustee Busheikin: pretty much what

[1:59:57] Voice 7: we were hearing from you, Russ?

[2:00:03] Voice 7: Yeah,

[2:00:04] Voice 13: I hesitate to say, well, staff's not going to solve all these problems. And I don't think you were saying that. And this becomes a big piece of work. I think you probably could have more conversations as you have to, I think you're moving towards divining exactly what could be done here.

[2:00:29] Voice 13: um and if you go if you decide to go with the section eight thing i do recommend just a just

[2:00:34] Voice 13: a legal um consideration but i think you have to keep talking about whether you want i don't want

[2:00:40] Voice 13: to i don't think it's effective for us to research abcd all of these different things and then report

[2:00:45] Voice 13: back to you on it i think you can get there um without that level of effort and i and as i'm

[2:00:51] Voice 13: telling everyone we are topped out for um uh you know if this matures and gets bigger it becomes

[2:00:59] Voice 13: a strategic direction of the organization which it readily should be i'm not saying it shouldn't

[2:01:03] Voice 13: um but before large work is directed yeah we could be assistive but um you probably have to

[2:01:11] Voice 13: talk it into a closer form first okay

[2:01:14] Trustee Busheikin: yeah okay thanks so some things to think about as we take

[2:01:18] Trustee Busheikin: a lunch break, so 12.05. Let's take half an hour and come back at 12.35. Thanks. This has been a

[2:01:25] Trustee Busheikin: really good discussion, and I want to thank Trustee Patrick and Colburn for bringing this forward.

[2:01:32] Trustee Busheikin: I think it's important. It's complex and hugely important.

[2:01:38] Voice 7: So thank you, and see you all in half

[2:01:40] Voice 7: an hour.

[2:31:18] Voice 16: Robert, I'll continue to show my screen, indicating that the committee is recessed until the chair resumes again, and then I'll stop.

[2:31:27] Voice 16: Okay.

[2:31:29] Trustee Busheikin: I will do that in a moment.

[2:32:20] Voice 7: Just wondering if we have quorum.

[2:32:24] Trustee Busheikin: We have one, two, three, four, five, one, two, three, four, five, six.

[2:32:30] Trustee Busheikin: I'm pretty sure that's quorum, Robert.

[2:32:32] Trustee Busheikin: Is that quorum?

[2:32:33] Trustee Busheikin: That is correct.

[2:32:34] Voice 16: there are 11 members including i

[2:32:36] Trustee Busheikin: mean i don't want to leave people out but i just i also want

[2:32:39] Trustee Busheikin: to keep us moving um and so i will call the meeting back to order thank you everyone um

[2:32:49] Trustee Busheikin: coming back and uh we are in the midst of a discussion about 7.2.2 um and um

[2:33:02] Trustee Busheikin: um, sorry, I'm just getting my, um, my package in front of me. Okay. Uh, yeah, I, I want to say

[2:33:13] Trustee Busheikin: something wise and that'll direct us really clearly. So, um, I don't know if I'm going to

[2:33:19] Trustee Busheikin: manage that, but, uh, I, what I'm hearing is there's definitely interest, albeit some more

[2:33:27] Trustee Busheikin: more cautious than others in looking at this.

[2:33:32] Trustee Busheikin: And some ideas about moving it forward in certain ways.

[2:33:39] Trustee Busheikin: CEO Hudson-Piller suggested have some further discussion,

[2:33:44] Trustee Busheikin: perhaps some, if we wanna look at the A through G,

[2:33:50] Trustee Busheikin: where do we wanna go with this?

[2:33:58] Trustee Busheikin: One's thinking.

[2:34:02] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Patrick.

[2:34:03] Trustee Patrick: Patrick. I did send a couple of draft motions during the lunch break. Okay. I don't know if

[2:34:09] Trustee Patrick: that helps. They are rough draft.

[2:34:12] Trustee Busheikin: I'm wondering, I mean, we can all go and look at them, but since

[2:34:17] Trustee Busheikin: this is a public meeting, that's kind of, it needs to be more public. They're

[2:34:25] Trustee Patrick: up on the screen.

[2:34:26] Trustee Busheikin: Oh, they're up on the screen. Okay. I just had navigated away to look at my emails. So,

[2:34:31] Trustee Busheikin: um okay um that's interesting so before even their well we could go ahead and

[2:34:54] Trustee Busheikin: um move them for discussion i don't know of a better way to move forward uh maybe just before

[2:35:02] Trustee Busheikin: we do that i'll hear from trustee dodds or we'll hear from trustee dodds well

[2:35:08] Voice 9: i just want to say

[2:35:09] Voice 9: it I think this this is a good move I think this is what we need to do I think the original motion

[2:35:14] Voice 9: just had too much material in it so I support these two whenever they're moved I think it's

[2:35:20] Voice 9: I think we need a lot more information back from staff so just want to lend my support to them

[2:35:26] Trustee Busheikin: okay and I would just before we get into moving motions I would suggest with the second one just

[2:35:31] Trustee Busheikin: to be a little more specific because the motions are supposed to be standalone. So recommendations

[2:35:40] Trustee Busheikin: about a request for a housing authority perhaps just to make it clear. I mean we all know but

[2:35:53] Trustee Busheikin: and so Trustee Wolverton can we get a motion on the floor before you speak or is it important

[2:36:01] Trustee Busheikin: important before yeah so uh Laura do you want to put the first one out as a motion sure

[2:36:06] Trustee Patrick: um I'll

[2:36:07] Trustee Patrick: move that the regional planning committee request staff to obtain a legal opinion on using section

[2:36:13] Trustee Patrick: 8 2 E of the Islands Trust Act okay

[2:36:17] Trustee Busheikin: I see that seconded I think I saw a case seconding it um

[2:36:22] Trustee Busheikin: okay for the discussion on this motion I will go to trustee Wolverton first I I see you shaking

[2:36:31] Trustee Busheikin: your

[2:36:31] Voice 6: head and muted oh no no I'm here sorry um a legal opinion do we want to specify on housing

[2:36:40] Voice 6: or just a legal opinion broadly

[2:36:42] Voice 7: that

[2:36:46] Trustee Busheikin: is a good question um like just answering off the top of

[2:36:52] Trustee Busheikin: my head I think the more we know about this the better like generally it would be good to know

[2:36:57] Trustee Busheikin: generally but I think definitely that when we ask for the legal opinion it should be clear to them

[2:37:03] Trustee Busheikin: why we're asking and that the legal opinion should speak to that specifically and i'm wondering if

[2:37:07] Trustee Busheikin: say a cox and pillar can speak to that does that need to be outlined in the motion i

[2:37:14] Voice 13: don't think

[2:37:15] Voice 13: so i mean we will build that in to the the legal services request but there's no harm either it's

[2:37:22] Voice 13: really either either how you feel comfortable i just want to limit to only housing is is the point

[2:37:28] Voice 13: yeah okay

[2:37:31] Voice 7: uh case yeah

[2:37:36] Voice 1: i i can support this motion maybe adding in as well at the end

[2:37:41] Voice 1: including use of this section for the purpose of housing authority establishment

[2:37:46] Voice 1: something to that effect just to link it into this but leaving it broader as well okay

[2:37:53] Trustee Busheikin: so this would

[2:37:54] Trustee Busheikin: would be um i believe it's a friendly amendment from my understanding of friendly amendments if

[2:38:03] Trustee Busheikin: it's okay with a mover and seconder because it feels to me very much in the spirit and intention

[2:38:07] Trustee Busheikin: of what's here um so i'll let's see it written first and and that was fairly quick so you might

[2:38:17] Trustee Busheikin: need to repeat it for

[2:38:18] Voice 1: the purpose of uh of establishing a housing authority agency and

[2:38:32] Trustee Busheikin: if i may i would say it's not we can't use this to establish it we can use it to recommend the

[2:38:39] Trustee Busheikin: establishment of yeah

[2:38:41] Voice 1: the the the whole section is a recommendation but yeah so including for

[2:38:47] Trustee Busheikin: for the purpose of recommending the establishment of.

[2:38:57] Voice 1: A housing authority agency, yeah.

[2:38:59] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, that, okay.

[2:39:04] Trustee Busheikin: So is that a friendly amendment, Trustee Patrick?

[2:39:07] Trustee Patrick: Well, it's, I mean,

[2:39:08] Trustee Patrick: we didn't say establish a housing authority.

[2:39:14] Trustee Patrick: It's a broader, you know, we said a type entity.

[2:39:19] Trustee Patrick: We didn't, so we just used the broad term

[2:39:22] Trustee Patrick: of a housing authority but by saying type entity it means it could be anything else

[2:39:27] Trustee Patrick: and sure

[2:39:28] Trustee Busheikin: i i think adding a housing authority type entity is fine or even recommending establishing

[2:39:35] Trustee Busheikin: um a mechanism to address housing i

[2:39:40] Voice 1: assumed it i assumed it was an entity because it's capitalized

[2:39:44] Voice 1: in the motion itself uh islands authority yeah madam

[2:39:50] Voice 13: chair yeah

[2:39:52] Trustee Busheikin: these

[2:39:53] Voice 13: details uh we are totally

[2:39:55] Voice 13: on top of i just want to reassure you there um and can provide i think what's required

[2:40:02] Voice 13: thank you of the committee okay

[2:40:05] Trustee Busheikin: is then is everyone happy just then uh our our staff are

[2:40:11] Trustee Busheikin: here they're listening uh their minutes uh everyone knows what this is about so i'd like to

[2:40:16] Trustee Busheikin: just call the question um i see hands have gone down so i'm gonna do that i'm going to call the

[2:40:23] Trustee Busheikin: question uh on the motion as originally made uh all in favor three four five six one two three

[2:40:39] Trustee Busheikin: three, four, five, six, seven, eight, one, two, three. They keep jumping around. Yeah. I see

[2:40:44] Trustee Busheikin: nine hands up and I believe there's nine of us here. Right now it's switched. Now I see eight

[2:40:58] Trustee Busheikin: hands up. So trusting dogs, I don't see. Okay. So I see nine hands in favor and then let's all

[2:41:09] Trustee Busheikin: put our hands down and is that that is everyone who is here all trustees is that correct that

[2:41:16] Voice 7: there are nine of us oh we love zoom um yes it is so that motion carries and

[2:41:25] Trustee Busheikin: thank you very much

[2:41:26] Trustee Busheikin: and i'm very interested to do that and then um we have a second motion so would you like to

[2:41:35] Trustee Busheikin: to put that one on the floor.

[2:41:41] Trustee Patrick: Sure, and I might look to,

[2:41:44] Trustee Patrick: actually, I might look to Trustee Colburn to see

[2:41:47] Trustee Patrick: what it's in regards to, is it the housing authority?

[2:41:54] Trustee Patrick: So maybe I'll look to Trustee Colburn to help say this one.

[2:41:58] Trustee Patrick: Is he here?

[2:41:59] Voice 14: Yeah, just look, I, yes, I am.

[2:42:03] Voice 7: Good

[2:42:03] Voice 14: to hear you.

[2:42:04] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, is that better?

[2:42:05] Voice 14: Yeah.

[2:42:06] Voice 14: yeah

[2:42:06] Trustee Patrick: um yeah what's it in regards to is it do we want to say in regards to a housing authority

[2:42:10] Trustee Patrick: type entity or something else right

[2:42:14] Voice 18: be broader yeah it's almost sort of you you get the legal

[2:42:19] Voice 18: opinion and then you kind of see what the um what that says and then and then use that for some

[2:42:25] Voice 18: staff input into the possibilities for this within the context of the island's trust

[2:42:29] Voice 18: so i you know i i the more specific we get the more problems we have this has to be sort of a

[2:42:35] Voice 18: we're making an ask and it's up to the province to respond so um uh i'm okay with the way this

[2:42:42] Voice 18: is worded as long as it doesn't lock us into um um what we're actually asking uh

[2:42:50] Trustee Busheikin: so i'm going to

[2:42:51] Trustee Busheikin: turn it over to staff and if as this legal opinion comes forward it becomes clear that

[2:42:59] Trustee Busheikin: there is not really a good mechanism or way to ask for a housing authority type entity

[2:43:05] Trustee Busheikin: does this and you're looking at this wording in the motion does this lock you into that should

[2:43:13] Trustee Busheikin: we just we'd be rewording this to make it a little more open well

[2:43:17] Voice 11: i think we would get the legal

[2:43:18] Trustee Busheikin: opinion first

[2:43:19] Voice 11: and then that would inform our report recommendations options etc and also just

[2:43:27] Voice 11: keep in mind that unless you ask to release the legal opinion it'll stay confidential in camera

[2:43:33] Voice 11: so a summary in the form of a staff report that doesn't disclose any key parts of the opinion

[2:43:41] Voice 11: would be helpful as well so right

[2:43:44] Trustee Busheikin: do we need a motion to ask for that no

[2:43:48] Voice 11: that's what this motion

[2:43:48] Voice 11: would do okay

[2:43:50] Trustee Busheikin: that's great yeah because we could receive it in camera but then come out of camera

[2:43:54] Trustee Busheikin: so that we have this discussion in public uh ceo hudson pillar uh

[2:44:01] Voice 13: madam chair just to make sure

[2:44:03] Voice 13: we're thinking the same way you are this is a con we're condensing this idea and providing a bit of

[2:44:11] Voice 13: a SWOT analysis around you know um you know for instance the regional district entities and how

[2:44:17] Voice 13: they exist we're not going to do research on the status of all housing agreements at this point

[2:44:22] Voice 13: unless this is a six-month project this is acknowledging that say in the regional district

[2:44:28] Voice 13: case there's entities that are working on this how do we make this differentiate from that it's

[2:44:33] Voice 13: It's issue identification and a bit of simplification.

[2:44:36] Voice 13: Is that fair?

[2:44:39] Trustee Busheikin: I think so.

[2:44:41] Trustee Busheikin: I think even more, yeah, issue identification is a good term and simplification, but I'd

[2:44:48] Trustee Busheikin: like to ask if the original, if Laura and

[2:44:52] Trustee Patrick: Scott would agree with that.

[2:44:53] Trustee Patrick: There's no

[2:44:53] Trustee Patrick: motion on the floor yet.

[2:44:55] Trustee Patrick: This is a draft bunch of words.

[2:44:57] Trustee Patrick: Oh, it hasn't been.

[2:44:58] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[2:44:58] Trustee Patrick: But

[2:44:59] Trustee Busheikin: if we go forward with this motion, I guess is what we're asking about.

[2:45:03] Trustee Busheikin: would you say that would you agree that then just so that staff do the work we want if this motion

[2:45:07] Trustee Busheikin: goes forward would you agree with how the cao understands it is a bit of more a deeper issue

[2:45:14] Trustee Busheikin: identification and simplification based on that or maybe not a simplification but focus yes

[2:45:24] Trustee Busheikin: yeah okay so i think that we can have this on the table no

[2:45:33] Trustee Patrick: oh you want me to put that on um

[2:45:35] Voice 7: I

[2:45:36] Trustee Patrick: move that the Regional Planning Committee requests staff to bring back, we'll just leave it, simplified recommendation, or we can bring back issue identification and simplified recommendations.

[2:45:51] Trustee Patrick: Sure.

[2:45:52] Trustee Patrick: Sure. In regards to a housing authority type entity, because I think that's important because

[2:46:00] Trustee Patrick: just type in there, to British Columbia's Lieutenant Governor and Council at our next

[2:46:07] Trustee Patrick: meeting. Okay. Thank you.

[2:46:10] Trustee Busheikin: And do we have a seconder? Thank you. Jane Wolverton seconded.

[2:46:17] Trustee Busheikin: So this is here. We have discussed it quite a bit, but there may be more discussion now as

[2:46:21] Trustee Busheikin: your opportunity seeing no discussion i'm going to call the questions everyone please raise your

[2:46:30] Trustee Busheikin: electronic hand hey i see nine hands in favor that a means it passes unanimously so thank you

[2:46:47] Trustee Busheikin: everyone um and we can lower our hands and i want to particularly thank the staff uh for helping us

[2:46:54] Trustee Busheikin: work our way through this it's it should be i mean it's very big and it's it's unknown and that

[2:47:00] Trustee Busheikin: that we're talking about doing something new

[2:47:01] Trustee Busheikin: and it could have been a very, very difficult

[2:47:04] Trustee Busheikin: for us to ever get anywhere on focus

[2:47:06] Trustee Busheikin: because it's such a multi-pronged issue.

[2:47:09] Trustee Busheikin: And I think we had really good support from staff

[2:47:11] Trustee Busheikin: and trustees keeping focused to get us

[2:47:14] Trustee Busheikin: at least moving this along.

[2:47:17] Trustee Busheikin: I see Trustee Longo.

[2:47:18] Voice 13: Thank you, Madam Chair.

[2:47:19] Voice 13: With that, I'm

[2:47:20] Voice 13: going to withdraw

[2:47:20] Voice 13: from the committee for today.

[2:47:22] Voice 13: And thank you very much

[2:47:23] Voice 13: for providing the opportunity to speak.

[2:47:27] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. Thank you.

[2:47:27] Voice 13: you um

[2:47:30] Trustee Busheikin: and trust me i guess i saw your hand but i think you took it down doug

[2:47:34] Voice 1: fenton is in the

[2:47:35] Voice 1: attendee and he's got his hand up oh i didn't

[2:47:38] Voice 7: see that okay thank you go ahead doug now i'm not

[2:47:47] Voice 7: seeing him or hearing him so doug are you out there let

[2:47:57] Trustee Patrick: me just see if it looks like doug

[2:47:59] Trustee Patrick: fenton is an attendee not a panelist oh and i see an attendee and not a panelist okay yes

[2:48:05] Trustee Busheikin: Yes,

[2:48:06] Voice 16: Madam Chair, I'm attempting to promote him to be a panelist, but there's no response yet.

[2:48:14] Trustee Busheikin: Hmm.

[2:48:15] Trustee Busheikin: Oh,

[2:48:16] Voice 16: it is now. He should be a panelist now.

[2:48:18] Trustee Busheikin: Okay. Wonderful. That's perhaps what he had his hand about, is trying to get into the right place.

[2:48:24] Trustee Busheikin: And for members of the public, that's the attendees for the public, but they can't participate.

[2:48:29] Trustee Busheikin: So we need all the trustees

[2:48:30] Trustee Busheikin: to be panelists.

[2:48:34] Voice 14: Thank you

[2:48:35] Voice 14: for that, Robert.

[2:48:36] Voice 14: Yeah.

[2:48:38] Voice 14: Oh, yeah, just wouldn't let me log in. Otherwise, it just kept pushing me into that.

[2:48:44] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah, well, we've sorted it out. So that's good. Thanks for your patience.

[2:48:49] Trustee Busheikin: And

[2:48:49] Voice 14: I was in favor.

[2:48:51] Trustee Busheikin: Good. Yeah, thank you. So are we done with this topic? Good. Well, I'm really looking forward to more discussions on it and seeing where we can go with it.

[2:49:01] Trustee Busheikin: is that yeah denman is one of those islands where the the housing crisis is really up front

[2:49:07] Trustee Busheikin: and in our face so moving

[2:49:11] Voice 7: on this is a request to expedite

[2:49:18] Trustee Busheikin: affordable housing applications

[2:49:20] Trustee Busheikin: on page um 89 and is there a staff member who would just like to introduce this briefly

[2:49:30] Trustee Busheikin: I

[2:49:31] Voice 11: think I'm going to ask Stefan to introduce this since he came

[2:49:33] Trustee Busheikin: from Salt Spring LTC.

[2:49:36] Trustee Busheikin: Welcome, Stefan, and thank you for being here.

[2:49:39] Voice 17: My pleasure. Thank you for having me.

[2:49:41] Voice 17: I'll be brief if I can.

[2:49:44] Voice 17: The Salt Spring LTC considered a recommendation from its Housing Action Program Task Force

[2:49:50] Voice 17: to expedite affordable housing rezoning applications.

[2:49:55] Voice 17: applications and currently expediting applications is considered an extraordinary processing service

[2:50:02] Voice 17: as per as per trust council policies and development procedure bylaws this then requires

[2:50:08] Voice 17: that a cost recovery agreement be negotiated between the rpm and the applicant and involves

[2:50:14] Voice 17: basically either redirecting existing resources or sourcing external resources such as a contract

[2:50:20] Voice 17: Planner. This process is based, as per the policy points out, on principles of administrative

[2:50:26] Voice 17: fairness. The LTC, Salt Spring LTC, is forwarding the request to the Regional Planning Committee to

[2:50:32] Voice 17: add to its work program and consider amending this policy. And any legal analysis, what did

[2:50:40] Voice 17: I write here? Any legal or procedural analysis, oh, I see. More details about what that means

[2:50:46] Voice 17: would come through that process. So any legal or procedural analysis would occur if the RPC

[2:50:51] Voice 17: RPC adds this to their work program and dedicates resources to following up on it.

[2:50:55] Voice 17: So in a nutshell, it's asking the RPC to amend the policies to be able to prioritize affordable housing applications.

[2:51:05] Voice 17: That's it.

[2:51:06] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[2:51:08] Trustee Busheikin: So just before we go into discussion, I want to make sure we all understand what it is, because I just want to make sure that I understand it.

[2:51:19] Trustee Busheikin: so i'm just gonna put myself on the speaker's list and ask um uh stephan to make sure i understand

[2:51:27] Trustee Busheikin: that um that for a local trust committee to do this expedition or expediting process

[2:51:36] Trustee Busheikin: um it would require cost recovery and a contract for that and for that to happen

[2:51:44] Trustee Busheikin: in trust council policy needs to be changed is that right like a committee can't just do it on

[2:51:51] Trustee Busheikin: its own

[2:51:51] Voice 17: well i'm going to back up a tiny bit staff process development applications as per the

[2:51:58] Voice 17: relevant ltc's development procedures bylaw and that development procedures bylaw has to be

[2:52:04] Voice 17: in agreement with the trust policy that's in place so those two things would happen so if you

[2:52:12] Voice 17: if the trust council amends the policy then the local trust area or less local trust committee

[2:52:17] Voice 17: could amend its bylaw and that's the and then you can expedite you know if you choose if the

[2:52:23] Voice 17: ldc chooses to expedite affordable housing applications that's how that could happen

[2:52:27] Voice 17: so it's kind of you need those two things the policy and the development procedures bylaw

[2:52:32] Trustee Busheikin: right okay and then just to be very clear that expediting would come at the it would be funded

[2:52:37] Trustee Busheikin: by the applicant well

[2:52:39] Voice 17: that's that's a good question not necessarily if you change the

[2:52:44] Voice 17: policy and you change the procedure you the trust council policy could dictate that in fact

[2:52:50] Voice 17: affordable housing policies are a priority and then we just simply reorganize the work schedule

[2:52:56] Voice 17: accordingly therefore for example in salt spring we have currently i believe 13 or maybe 14 open

[2:53:02] Voice 17: rezoning applications and i believe half of those have some sort of affordable housing component to

[2:53:09] Voice 17: it and therefore those would all get priority over everything else whatever they may be so it doesn't

[2:53:16] Voice 17: have it it would just be yeah i mean with a volume of applications it would just be simply prioritizing

[2:53:23] Voice 17: at this stage as opposed to um expediting i would just be prioritizing

[2:53:26] Trustee Busheikin: okay right yeah those are

[2:53:29] Trustee Busheikin: are different things and then just one more question um and i i mean you cover this i just

[2:53:34] Trustee Busheikin: want to make sure i really get it clearly um if we did this as a council it wouldn't

[2:53:43] Trustee Busheikin: automatically put it in place ltc still have to then change their application process and bylaws

[2:53:51] Trustee Busheikin: if they want so they could opt in or not that

[2:53:55] Voice 17: it depends how the policy is written there's uh i

[2:53:57] Voice 17: I think numerous ways this could happen.

[2:54:01] Voice 17: The most simple is indeed that the policy just recommends that the LTCs do it, and then

[2:54:06] Voice 17: that gives the LTCs the sort of authority to change the bylaw.

[2:54:09] Voice 17: So you're right.

[2:54:09] Voice 17: But it could be more prescriptive if the Trust Council decided to be more prescriptive.

[2:54:14] Voice 17: The Trust Council can basically, or they can sort of give direction to LTCs a little

[2:54:19] Voice 17: stronger than they tend to do, but for obvious political reasons.

[2:54:23] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah.

[2:54:23] Trustee Busheikin: Okay.

[2:54:24] Trustee Busheikin: I do have another question, but I'm going to let other people speak.

[2:54:26] Trustee Busheikin: so trustee Patrick and then trustee Longer I said then I'll go again well

[2:54:31] Trustee Patrick: I know I mean I I know the

[2:54:33] Trustee Patrick: the money may be dedicated but we did receive a fairly significant grant from the province to

[2:54:41] Trustee Patrick: look at our application processing systems um and part of that money was uh or that granting

[2:54:52] Trustee Patrick: program was in relation to housing and so I'm hopeful that some of that process as that grant

[2:55:02] Trustee Patrick: money is being applied and used is that we're also considering the policies and so forth that go

[2:55:07] Trustee Patrick: with that in relationship to these type of applications. Thank

[2:55:15] Trustee Busheikin: you. Trustee Longerice.

[2:55:17] Trustee Busheikin: Yeah,

[2:55:18] Voice 1: yeah, I was going to mention that about the development funding that we just received. The other question I'm trying to understand is right now we have an extraordinary policy. So some applicants can come forward and say, you know, I'm willing to pay, can you expedite it? So that's the current situation right now that's possible.

[2:55:38] Voice 1: So, in putting it into policy now where housing has a priority, that really applies when two parties potentially apply at the same time for expedited process, one of which is housing and one isn't. Is that my understanding?

[2:56:00] Voice 17: Maybe you can rephrase the question so I can answer it, what I'm hearing.

[2:56:04] Voice 1: we

[2:56:04] Voice 17: have

[2:56:05] Voice 1: a policy right now extraordinary policy right and it requires payment up for the cost

[2:56:11] Voice 1: and you get extra resources whatever now we wanted to put in a policy in our policy manual

[2:56:18] Voice 1: about housing have being a priority so right now we're operating if somebody came forward and they

[2:56:26] Voice 1: wanted to have an expedited process they could approach us about going through the process

[2:56:32] Voice 1: so that's possible right now so really what you're trying to say is that it just becomes an issue when

[2:56:39] Voice 1: what two parties potentially apply at the same time for one being housing

[2:56:45] Voice 1: one not is that the

[2:56:46] Voice 1: intent well

[2:56:47] Voice 17: for clarity the like i like i mentioned there's a bunch of different ways

[2:56:52] Voice 17: we could do this i'm also cognizant that the local planning services is reorientating to

[2:56:57] Voice 17: current planning and long-range planning so the answer might be a little different in the near

[2:57:01] Voice 17: future. But to answer your question, the assumption that I'm hearing you make is that

[2:57:07] Voice 17: that's staff resourcing. And if we've got one application, we cannot then use that same staff

[2:57:13] Voice 17: resource for a second application. Whereas my experience primarily on Salt Spring, and we've

[2:57:19] Voice 17: done this a number of times, is we hire a contract planner. The sticky point is that that contract

[2:57:25] Voice 17: planner technically reports to the regional planning manager but the contract planner really

[2:57:31] Voice 17: works closely with the applicant and there's a bit of a i don't know how to call it maybe a loyalty

[2:57:37] Voice 17: divide that the applicant they really feel like they're working for the applicant but when actually

[2:57:41] Voice 17: what they're doing is the cost recovery is so that we can pay the planner the contract planner to work

[2:57:47] Voice 17: for us so if there's a sticky part in that process that's in my personal experience that's where it

[2:57:53] Voice 17: falls but so to answer your question they could have we you know we could have numerous contracts

[2:57:58] Voice 17: with numerous planners out there um concurrently working on rezoning applications and it wouldn't

[2:58:04] Voice 17: affect staff much more than managing a contract which of course uh can be cumbersome my my limit

[2:58:10] Voice 17: was seven and it broke me does

[2:58:15] Voice 8: that answer your question i

[2:58:29] Voice 7: was muted um trustee patrick

[2:58:32] Voice 7: kind of back to the earlier discussions of in

[2:58:42] Trustee Patrick: some ways salt springs a lot of our groups that

[2:58:45] Trustee Patrick: are moving toward rezoning have been through and around the bend three or four times and are

[2:58:50] Trustee Patrick: getting quite sophisticated compared to some of the other islands who's uh you know working with

[2:58:56] Trustee Patrick: groups that have never done a multi-family housing complex before and are you know suffering

[2:59:01] Trustee Patrick: dramatically through every stage and doing it on money collected and you know dimes and nickels

[2:59:07] Trustee Patrick: um it's an it's the efficiency of an overall approach also to our zone you know how we deal

[2:59:14] Trustee Patrick: with affordable housing from a island-wide perspective and the efficiencies of of this

[2:59:20] Trustee Patrick: and to you know so this is it's again complex but um it's an overall approach to how we do it and

[2:59:30] Trustee Patrick: and support these type of projects.

[2:59:37] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you.

[2:59:38] Trustee Busheikin: And I have one more question.

[2:59:42] Trustee Busheikin: I'll try and be brief.

[2:59:44] Trustee Busheikin: Like the Denman Local Trust Committee passed a resolution.

[2:59:48] Trustee Busheikin: It's a standing resolution

[2:59:50] Trustee Busheikin: that staff will prioritize work

[2:59:52] Trustee Busheikin: on affordable housing applications.

[2:59:55] Trustee Busheikin: We have two rezonings.

[2:59:57] Trustee Busheikin: They're the only rezonings on the island.

[3:00:00] Trustee Busheikin: and um I have no idea how that is actually playing out um because staff still do some

[3:00:06] Trustee Busheikin: work on other things like but we just did that and and um it was there it sits uh directing

[3:00:17] Trustee Busheikin: staff to prioritize housing and I guess I'm trying to figure out what the difference is

[3:00:21] Trustee Busheikin: that was very simple no policy had to be changed but I guess is the difference that that was a

[3:00:25] Trustee Busheikin: a general policy like a standing resolution it didn't single out one particular application is

[3:00:36] Trustee Busheikin: that why you need a policy changer is what the LTC on Denman did really kind of meaningless

[3:00:43] Trustee Busheikin: because it has no policy behind it

[3:00:45] Voice 15: I couldn't

[3:00:47] Trustee Busheikin: maybe maybe

[3:00:50] Voice 15: yeah maybe

[3:00:51] Voice 11: it was you could characterize

[3:00:53] Voice 11: what Denman did as a request to management

[3:00:57] Voice 11: to direct staff resources in a certain way,

[3:01:00] Voice 11: whereas what Salt Spring is asking for,

[3:01:02] Voice 11: given the volume of applications

[3:01:04] Voice 11: and the number of competing rezoning applications,

[3:01:07] Voice 11: it's maybe looking at formalizing that a bit more

[3:01:11] Voice 11: and embedding the policy.

[3:01:13] Voice 11: And I think the ask here is that

[3:01:16] Voice 11: you put it on your work program

[3:01:18] Voice 11: and then at some point we'll report back

[3:01:20] Voice 11: and say, here's the issues,

[3:01:23] Voice 11: Mayor Mrakas, Okay,

[3:01:24] Trustee Busheikin: thanks and then we'll have maybe more of these conversations okay trustee long race, then Patrick yeah

[3:01:31] Voice 1: I just wanted to add a Gabriel we did get such a request to do things as fast as possible, and we just said, we would do our best efforts to do so, and it does have some impact, however, then planning staff could probably address that a little better than I can impact on them so.

[3:01:47] Voice 1: thank

[3:01:48] Trustee Busheikin: you so um not seeing hands right now the question is do we want to put this somewhere on

[3:01:57] Trustee Busheikin: our work program um on our i would say probably our projects list and not our top priorities list

[3:02:03] Trustee Busheikin: and we'll be looking at that very soon anyways um and

[3:02:09] Voice 7: that if we want to do that there are um

[3:02:13] Voice 7: um two suggested motions to make uh trustee

[3:02:19] Trustee Busheikin: patrick well

[3:02:20] Trustee Patrick: just dawned on me that we do have

[3:02:22] Trustee Patrick: that significant grant on redoing the application process which and it doesn't appear on our work

[3:02:29] Trustee Patrick: program either so that's something to maybe consider as we

[3:02:33] Voice 7: think about that

[3:02:35] Voice 8: um

[3:02:41] Voice 7: oh and

[3:02:42] Voice 7: actually the resolutions i'm looking at are

[3:02:44] Trustee Busheikin: not the resolutions were the ones from salt spring so

[3:02:48] Trustee Busheikin: So we don't have a draft for a resolution to put this on our work program, but it would be pretty

[3:02:55] Trustee Busheikin: easy to create that resolution.

[3:02:59] Voice 7: Is anyone interested in putting this on our work program?

[3:03:03] Voice 7: I am seeing Laura Patrick, then I would invite you to make a motion.

[3:03:15] Voice 7: I

[3:03:15] Trustee Patrick: was just going to see if I could get Lang. I was just looking at our work program. Sorry.

[3:03:19] Trustee Patrick: sorry um did we we don't have maybe have to look at a regional planner kojima is there in the

[3:03:29] Trustee Patrick: strategic plan an item for the application the the without having to hurry up and look for it

[3:03:39] Trustee Patrick: you know i mean the overall project that we have the grant funding for i'm

[3:03:44] Voice 11: just looking at the next

[3:03:46] Voice 11: briefing on page 93 which summarizes i don't see it as a separate item no um

[3:03:56] Trustee Patrick: so maybe if i can do

[3:03:57] Trustee Patrick: a few digging until we get to the next one maybe i can find something to relate that back because

[3:04:01] Trustee Busheikin: i

[3:04:01] Trustee Patrick: think the two should go together sure

[3:04:03] Trustee Busheikin: okay

[3:04:05] Trustee Patrick: um

[3:04:06] Trustee Busheikin: so let's just take no action right now but we are

[3:04:11] Trustee Busheikin: going to move on to looking at our work program and that's where this may come into it my guess

[3:04:18] Trustee Busheikin: is that it will um good so no further discussion for now on this topic okay so next is 8.1 and this

[3:04:28] Trustee Busheikin: is uh i mean in this just to give background uh director marler talked to me about this and he

[3:04:36] Trustee Busheikin: just he felt that or feels that um it would help us be effective to be clear on our priorities

[3:04:43] Trustee Busheikin: it is between now and the end of time because it's not a ton of time and there it's not possible to

[3:04:50] Trustee Busheikin: do everything so we have things that have been referred to us for consideration we have strategic

[3:04:58] Trustee Busheikin: plan items uh and possibly um this what was the one we put on save i forget already something we

[3:05:08] Trustee Busheikin: put on already in this uh meeting we put on the we added the um well the island's trust housing

[3:05:20] Trustee Busheikin: authority the fresh water policy which is sort of implied so um here we are with this and um

[3:05:27] Trustee Busheikin: i think we could just hmm well as staff prepared

[3:05:32] Voice 7: to sort of lead us into this

[3:05:34] Voice 7: are

[3:05:37] Voice 11: we on onto the briefing now on yeah

[3:05:39] Voice 7: 8.2 yeah

[3:05:42] Voice 11: i was it's there i mean i was going to summarize

[3:05:44] Voice 11: it there's no it's just a briefing there's no recommendation though so it's kind of the

[3:05:50] Voice 11: the committee's opportunity to review that and make any changes um um keeping in mind that uh

[3:05:59] Voice 11: you know certain things approach probably go on to the projects less rather than

[3:06:04] Voice 11: and then onto the top priorities given the timeline.

[3:06:10] Voice 7: Right, okay.

[3:06:15] Voice 7: So

[3:06:16] Trustee Busheikin: trustees, yeah.

[3:06:17] Trustee Busheikin: I mean, I think it's difficult without David and Marla

[3:06:20] Trustee Busheikin: because my sense is he wanted us to kind of get

[3:06:23] Trustee Busheikin: into this a little bit and really prioritize it,

[3:06:25] Trustee Busheikin: but we can see what's on our top priorities

[3:06:27] Trustee Busheikin: report and our projects report.

[3:06:29] Trustee Busheikin: Are there questions about these?

[3:06:31] Trustee Busheikin: Are there suggestions?

[3:06:33] Trustee Busheikin: Do we want to indicate

[3:06:35] Voice 7: priorities?

[3:06:44] Voice 7: I am not seeing

[3:06:46] Trustee Busheikin: anything here.

[3:06:47] Trustee Busheikin: There's one thing I would like to bring up just as a clarification is on page 94.

[3:06:54] Trustee Busheikin: There's the developed model density bonus bylaws.

[3:06:58] Trustee Busheikin: And I just want to give my understanding of where this is at is that it was originally

[3:07:04] Trustee Busheikin: supposed to be part of the work the consultant did, but instead there just wasn't money in

[3:07:09] Trustee Busheikin: the budget and we got a report and we don't have those bylaws and then I believe that we have

[3:07:15] Trustee Busheikin: decided by resolution to at the suggestion of staff to change this and rather than developing

[3:07:23] Trustee Busheikin: model density bonus bylaws is to have a like a working group or a workshop of staff to create

[3:07:34] Trustee Busheikin: model bylaws for affordable housing generally and the idea was I think it's a little bit of a new

[3:07:40] Trustee Busheikin: way of working is to get the planning staff together who are all working separately on

[3:07:45] Trustee Busheikin: on their islands on all kinds of housing things and have them say like what let's pull together

[3:07:54] Trustee Busheikin: our knowledge and experience and get some model bylaws that may or may not include density bonus

[3:08:00] Trustee Busheikin: So it's more general about housing, and it's really pooling the expertise and the things that are going on everywhere and getting people out of silos, and that is supposed to happen sometime in the next little while.

[3:08:11] Trustee Busheikin: So it is, I would say, develop housing model bylaws is probably more accurate through a staff workshop.

[3:08:22] Trustee Busheikin: And this is something I've talked to Narissa about, and I think it was her idea, and she's talked to Director Marlowe about it.

[3:08:31] Trustee Busheikin: So I just wanted to clarify that because I like that idea.

[3:08:37] Voice 7: Is there anything else here then?

[3:08:39] Voice 7: Okay. But I think trustee, okay, Jane.

[3:08:48] Voice 6: Yeah, I went through the shoreline review again, and there's some kind of problems in that report, but I'm not sure when or where we would want to look at them, or I just, yeah, there was, it seemed like it was sort of cut and paste from, I don't know what, maybe not just our own material, but, so it wasn't the most useful report.

[3:09:20] Voice 7: that is a good observation like i i

[3:09:29] Trustee Busheikin: puzzle about those reports and what what use they will be and

[3:09:34] Trustee Busheikin: um yeah i uh yeah i have a lot of questions and no answers around that um and i'm not sure where

[3:09:43] Trustee Busheikin: to go with it maybe it's something to think about when we're creating projects um and maybe towards

[3:09:48] Trustee Busheikin: towards the end of the term, we should do a review of what we've done this term and how useful it was

[3:09:54] Trustee Busheikin: and not so that we're actually evaluating what we're doing and learning from it. Because I felt

[3:10:00] Trustee Busheikin: both of those two reports, the density one and that one, are full of information, so educational,

[3:10:06] Trustee Busheikin: but I just don't know if they're going to get used into what is the most useful use of our time and

[3:10:15] Voice 7: money um and so maybe I would just uh yeah

[3:10:22] Trustee Busheikin: other than that we would towards the end of term do a

[3:10:26] Trustee Busheikin: review of what we've done with sort of key learnings I can't think of anything else to do

[3:10:33] Trustee Busheikin: right now but we could um that would be something to put on our projects list perhaps or have a

[3:10:38] Trustee Busheikin: motion that that be added to the agenda um towards the end of term uh just kind of thinking on my

[3:10:46] Trustee Busheikin: feet here uh jane go ahead yeah

[3:10:48] Voice 6: and i i think it points to what laura keeps hammering away at

[3:10:53] Voice 6: defining the problem and looking at what you know what is it that we're trying to achieve and i

[3:10:58] Voice 6: think probably we're now a little more focused in that way than than perhaps when we started up

[3:11:06] Voice 6: yeah yes

[3:11:09] Voice 7: um so i would and i'm not

[3:11:14] Trustee Busheikin: sure where this will go or where it will fit um maybe on

[3:11:18] Trustee Busheikin: the follow-up action list i would like to move that uh regional planning committee uh include a

[3:11:25] Trustee Busheikin: a review of the term's projects as

[3:11:31] Voice 7: an agenda item.

[3:11:36] Voice 7: And for, I mean, I don't have the meeting schedule

[3:11:41] Trustee Busheikin: in front of me, but I don't know if towards the end of term

[3:11:46] Voice 7: is specific enough.

[3:11:48] Voice 7: It probably is.

[3:11:49] Voice 7: So towards the end of term.

[3:11:53] Voice 7: And then it'll be on the follow-up action list

[3:11:55] Voice 7: and staff and or me

[3:11:56] Trustee Busheikin: as chair can make sure it gets

[3:11:58] Trustee Busheikin: on the agenda and is given like an hour or so and i think it would be very good to like yeah what

[3:12:03] Trustee Busheikin: what has worked what isn't what what have we learned and for the next terms rpc what would we

[3:12:09] Voice 7: like them to to know from what we've learned so let's see what that looks like what did i actually

[3:12:19] Voice 7: say uh include review

[3:12:21] Trustee Busheikin: of the terms yep i'm happy with that so i'm gonna move that it's what someone

[3:12:26] Trustee Busheikin: like to second it thank you any further discussion yes case yeah

[3:12:33] Voice 1: i i'm in support of this motion i

[3:12:35] Voice 1: seconded i believe anyway i mean that can be used as a basis for a summary of the strategic plan as

[3:12:41] Voice 1: well at the end of the term or at the beginning of the next term for actually to look back over what

[3:12:46] Voice 1: what how the strategic plan carried itself out what what was accomplished it wasn't what was

[3:12:52] Voice 1: the impacts thank

[3:12:56] Trustee Busheikin: you yeah uh tim peterson thank

[3:13:01] Voice 12: you chair yeah i see this as useful um

[3:13:04] Voice 12: in a couple of ways for the organization in general but also um very useful for incoming

[3:13:10] Voice 12: trustees and next term to sort of get a sense of what's been working been being worked on and stuff

[3:13:17] Voice 12: because of course this committee will have uh almost certainly have a different uh

[3:13:22] Voice 12: a set of trustees are, you know, largely different and definitely coming into a committee

[3:13:30] Voice 12: as a new trustee. It's the more sort of background I think is the better. Good idea.

[3:13:37] Trustee Busheikin: Okay. Thanks. Yeah. No. And thank you for bringing that up, Jane. I like where this

[3:13:41] Voice 7: is going. So I'm

[3:13:42] Voice 7: going to call the question all in favor. Okay. I'm seeing, did I put my hand up?

[3:13:57] Trustee Busheikin: Yes. One, two,

[3:13:58] Trustee Busheikin: two, three, four, five, eight hands in favor and one abstention, or no, I'm making a huge

[3:14:06] Trustee Busheikin: assumption. I was saying eight hands in favor. So that, let's just put down our hands and see

[3:14:12] Trustee Busheikin: about that one extra hand. So all hands down. Anyone opposed? Okay. So Trustee Colburn,

[3:14:20] Trustee Busheikin: just to clarify, I didn't see you in favor, but since you didn't vote opposed,

[3:14:24] Trustee Busheikin: your vote does count in favor

[3:14:26] Voice 18: exactly i i'm catching up to you in terms of work program so

[3:14:30] Voice 18: i'm i'm allowing this committee to do its work and i'll uh i'll do my

[3:14:34] Voice 18: best to keep up with what

[3:14:35] Voice 7: so that chair

[3:14:36] Voice 16: if i may also to let you know that trustee maude is still apparently on the zoom call

[3:14:44] Voice 18: okay

[3:14:45] Voice 16: and trustee fenton was as well but he indicated that he was about to leave

[3:14:50] Trustee Busheikin: yeah one o'clock

[3:14:51] Trustee Busheikin: um in other words it

[3:14:56] Voice 16: appears trustee maude also abstained

[3:14:59] Trustee Busheikin: okay so in in any case what we record is that it is a motion carried so i

[3:15:07] Voice 7: think that yeah but i

[3:15:10] Voice 7: will keep that in mind it it the voting is

[3:15:15] Trustee Busheikin: kind of inexplicably difficult to track and i know it's

[3:15:19] Trustee Busheikin: not just me, because I've seen other chairs struggle with it, but it definitely carried,

[3:15:24] Trustee Busheikin: and that's what counts, and thank you for bringing that to my attention. Trustee Patrick?

[3:15:31] Trustee Patrick: Not to be driving home the point of the project definition and phase, and I thank you,

[3:15:35] Trustee Patrick: Trustee Wolverton, for noting that, but like earlier, we passed a motion directing staff to

[3:15:40] Trustee Patrick: create a policy document on, you know, water sustainability, and kind of a very brief high

[3:15:45] Trustee Patrick: thing that apparently David Marler knows what it looks like. And that's what we just passed a

[3:15:49] Trustee Patrick: motion on. So we're going to get a document back that we might go, whew, was that what we were

[3:15:53] Trustee Patrick: expecting? So just talking about the details that we go in and when we get a report back on model

[3:16:00] Trustee Patrick: bylaws or whatever, we're surprised by the result. I don't think we really gave that clear direction

[3:16:04] Trustee Patrick: as to what we were expecting.

[3:16:10] Voice 7: Yeah, I would agree. And yeah, well, this will be

[3:16:14] Trustee Busheikin: part of the

[3:16:14] Trustee Busheikin: the discussion we have when we, let's not get into it now, because I could get into it. But

[3:16:19] Trustee Busheikin: this is what we've just decided is we'll create space to have these kinds of discussions

[3:16:24] Trustee Busheikin: in a way that will be recorded and focused and hopefully very useful. So thank you.

[3:16:31] Trustee Busheikin: I'm going to keep us moving. So we have this report from Salt Spring Island LTC

[3:16:37] Trustee Busheikin: and antenna system siting protocol to our work program.

[3:16:44] Trustee Busheikin: Lots of background information.

[3:16:46] Trustee Busheikin: I hope everyone in the committee understood

[3:16:47] Trustee Busheikin: that it wasn't our task to read and digest

[3:16:50] Trustee Busheikin: and develop a deep analysis of all the supporting material.

[3:16:56] Trustee Busheikin: But if you did that, power to you.

[3:16:59] Trustee Busheikin: This is simply, do we want to take on this

[3:17:03] Trustee Busheikin: in our work program?

[3:17:05] Trustee Busheikin: is there any staff comment like to me it's pretty simple but if there's any staff that would like to

[3:17:10] Trustee Busheikin: make comments on this go ahead

[3:17:12] Voice 7: contextualize it okay um any thoughts uh trustee wolverton

[3:17:26] Voice 7: um we've

[3:17:27] Voice 6: just gone through a process or a lack of process actually so rogers informed us

[3:17:34] Voice 6: that they were you know putting up a tower or putting up an antenna system and we wrote back

[3:17:43] Voice 6: to them to say well there is a you know there is a process and there's a protocol and they just

[3:17:50] Voice 6: went ahead and did it we just found that out on monday and

[3:17:57] Trustee Busheikin: they can do that can they i thought

[3:18:00] Trustee Busheikin: they have to follow the process but they didn't anyways yeah

[3:18:05] Voice 6: they're supposed to follow a process

[3:18:07] Voice 6: us if it if it fits into certain categories which yeah it

[3:18:11] Voice 6: did and they they didn't bother

[3:18:12] Voice 6: good luck with that um

[3:18:17] Voice 7: trustee long rice yeah

[3:18:23] Voice 1: i'm i'm certainly in support of adding this into the

[3:18:27] Voice 1: process i did do a a brief paper on we had a while we're going to be we had an issue around our

[3:18:33] Voice 1: previous standing resolution and we adopted the current resolution the model bylaw and and from

[3:18:40] Voice 1: my perspective there are a number of issues with it and i was going to be sending it on i hadn't

[3:18:45] Voice 1: done it to regional planning committee but it does raise some other points about our model bylaw

[3:18:51] Voice 1: beyond just first nation reconciliation and i will forward it on i did pass it on to

[3:18:59] Voice 1: david marler in the past but hadn't heard back so i will pass it on as information that may be

[3:19:05] Voice 1: warranted because there are some differences between the what the feds want and what we have

[3:19:13] Voice 1: created so there's some issues there that

[3:19:16] Trustee Busheikin: could be part of this uh trustee peterson and then patrick

[3:19:21] Trustee Busheikin: and then stamford triple p no pps sorry uh yeah

[3:19:30] Voice 12: thank you chair um so you know here are my local

[3:19:35] Voice 12: local LTC, we did adopt the model bylaw. However, one of the things that really stood out was

[3:19:46] Voice 12: lack of really clearly delineating the care and attention to First Nations sites. And

[3:20:03] Voice 12: And so that was one of the things we added into our version

[3:20:09] Voice 12: that we adopted.

[3:20:12] Voice 12: And so I really saw that as something that was missing

[3:20:14] Voice 12: from the model by-law.

[3:20:15] Voice 12: So I'm in favor of sort of re-examining those deficiencies

[3:20:22] Voice 12: in the existing model by-law, if that's, you know,

[3:20:26] Voice 12: it's consistent with our work on reconciliation, so.

[3:20:29] Voice 12: so.

[3:20:31] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, thank you. Laura?

[3:20:36] Trustee Patrick: No, thank you, and I know we're all on this journey of learning and

[3:20:40] Trustee Patrick: recognizing where our rules are, you know, lacking and where they should be, and I guess it could be

[3:20:48] Trustee Patrick: also a broader, well, yeah, you know, this model bylaw, we probably have other model bylaws that

[3:20:54] Trustee Patrick: we have or you know are we you know may have been created five years ago it was as a model bylaw

[3:21:01] Trustee Patrick: and are they static or are they renewed from time to time and how does this committee play a role

[3:21:07] Trustee Patrick: in that and um you know so i think there's a broader question here of of not losing track

[3:21:13] Trustee Patrick: of these model bylaws to make sure they are being modified and updated uh especially on language

[3:21:19] Trustee Patrick: that's woefully missing um so just raise that okay yeah

[3:21:28] Trustee Busheikin: uh kate louise yeah

[3:21:33] Trustee Stamford: to trustee patrick's

[3:21:34] Trustee Stamford: point i think that's so important to have some kind of really structural way of moving these

[3:21:41] Trustee Stamford: model bylaws and any amendments to them through to the local trust committees um very quickly um

[3:21:51] Trustee Stamford: I was just speaking to Jane's point.

[3:21:54] Trustee Stamford: We had the same situation, a pole was put up, an antenna was put up with no consultation.

[3:22:02] Trustee Stamford: We complained as a community and said it's not, you know, you didn't follow the guidelines

[3:22:08] Trustee Stamford: and they took it down.

[3:22:10] Trustee Stamford: It was taken down very quickly, but now we have much lower internet access as a result.

[3:22:17] Trustee Stamford: so they haven't put it back anywhere so uh there they do tend to respond to it when they're told

[3:22:24] Trustee Stamford: they haven't done the right uh consultation at least they did for us thanks

[3:22:31] Trustee Busheikin: thanks um

[3:22:34] Trustee Busheikin: just focusing us as the decision before us is whether to put this on our work program uh case

[3:22:41] Voice 1: yeah i just wanted to mention that the model bylaw that trust adopted has one reference to

[3:22:48] Voice 1: to First Nations that is in pre-consultation

[3:22:51] Voice 1: there's no reference and then at first stage,

[3:22:53] Voice 1: it talks, it just says outreach to First Nations.

[3:22:56] Voice 1: That's the extent of a reference to First Nations.

[3:23:02] Trustee Busheikin: Okay, so I'm hearing your support for this

[3:23:04] Trustee Busheikin: and I think someone should put a motion on the table

[3:23:06] Trustee Busheikin: and we'll vote, Trustee Patrick.

[3:23:09] Trustee Patrick: Well, I was wondering, could we put a broader motion

[3:23:11] Trustee Patrick: on the table?

[3:23:11] Trustee Patrick: I know staff, we heard the capacity issue

[3:23:14] Trustee Patrick: that was mentioned earlier, but as we develop these things,

[3:23:18] Trustee Patrick: we should be thinking about doing it right not just doing it a little bit so while there's this

[3:23:24] Trustee Patrick: model bylaw but we should also be considering a process to you know keep alive all of the model

[3:23:32] Trustee Patrick: bylaws to check their language so um i'm happy i well i mean but is this just going to be added

[3:23:40] Trustee Patrick: to our projects lists and so um i

[3:23:44] Trustee Busheikin: believe so it would go on the projects list and it it may well

[3:23:49] Trustee Busheikin: sit there and then next term when a strategic plan is being created we'll be looking at those

[3:23:54] Trustee Busheikin: projects list and drawing on it that's what i'm thinking so

[3:24:00] Trustee Patrick: i guess we could add i'll move that

[3:24:02] Trustee Patrick: the uh regional planning committee add um updating the model um antenna strategy is that what it's

[3:24:18] Trustee Patrick: called strategy for antenna systems okay

[3:24:22] Trustee Busheikin: i'm not sure what it's called but hopefully that'll be

[3:24:25] Trustee Busheikin: close enough with

[3:24:26] Trustee Patrick: you know with uh i guess we have to say with first nations uh consultation

[3:24:32] Trustee Patrick: I

[3:24:34] Voice 7: think updating it is fine I think okay

[3:24:36] Voice 7: and

[3:24:43] Trustee Busheikin: add antenna system sighting protocol

[3:24:46] Trustee Busheikin: well no wait sorry I'm are there two different things I'm completely lost about the antennas

[3:24:54] Trustee Busheikin: I'm a panic situation whenever someone says antenna and cell phone tower um but um this is

[3:25:05] Trustee Busheikin: is asking that we add antenna the original ask is to add antenna system sighting protocol

[3:25:12] Trustee Busheikin: to our work program do we already have a protocol and we want to update it or we have a

[3:25:17] Trustee Busheikin: I think we have a yeah is that what we are are we updating the one we have are we creating

[3:25:24] Trustee Busheikin: something new can someone answer that I

[3:25:26] Trustee Patrick: thought we were updating what we have but that was my

[3:25:28] Trustee Busheikin: interpretation

[3:25:29] Trustee Patrick: okay

[3:25:30] Trustee Busheikin: because I know that we had a consultation protocol and I got confused

[3:25:34] Trustee Busheikin: used okay excellent so then yeah

[3:25:36] Trustee Patrick: it's the model strategy for antenna systems okay so we're

[3:25:42] Trustee Patrick: modifying that with okay

[3:25:45] Trustee Busheikin: then i think you should add the width like i'm looking at the the um

[3:25:50] Trustee Busheikin: suggestion on page 97 i think it is

[3:25:55] Trustee Busheikin: so because here it says to include first nations consultation requirements

[3:26:01] Trustee Busheikin: requirements, cultural and sacred site sighting requirements, and consideration of the Salt

[3:26:08] Trustee Busheikin: Spring Island Advisory Planning Commission recommendations.

[3:26:13] Trustee Busheikin: That's what I'm seeing in the original.

[3:26:15] Trustee Patrick: Well, that was our motion.

[3:26:16] Trustee Patrick: That was Salt Spring's motion.

[3:26:18] Trustee Busheikin: Okay.

[3:26:19] Trustee Patrick: So let's just leave it

[3:26:21] Trustee Busheikin: at that then.

[3:26:23] Trustee Busheikin: Oh, we've got Lisa Wilcox here, and I actually would really welcome her input.

[3:26:28] Trustee Busheikin: So please go ahead.

[3:26:33] Voice 21: Yeah, sorry, Chair.

[3:26:34] Voice 21: and um committee um i have reviewed that um antenna um process that is part of the federal

[3:26:45] Voice 21: government and um i did do a review and update language in relation to salt spring island

[3:26:53] Voice 21: so this might just need to have a small adjustment similar to the other document that we were talking

[3:27:01] Voice 21: about earlier today where i just go in and do another review and bring over some of the language

[3:27:08] Voice 21: from salt spring island to align the wording a little bit more closely with our reconciliation

[3:27:16] Voice 21: commitments um that it so it might not be a large uh or cumbersome task that's required but just

[3:27:26] Voice 21: some adjustments in some of the language and wording too. So we have the model from the

[3:27:34] Voice 21: Salt Spring Island one so that would be able to help create a process. As Trustee Wolverton

[3:27:43] Voice 21: mentioned we might not have agreement from federal ministries or from provincial ministries and we

[3:27:50] Voice 21: We are in discussions to try to align their processes and tenure applications with the Islands Trust and the Islands Trust Act.

[3:28:01] Voice 21: But that will slowly take time.

[3:28:04] Voice 21: We are updating the Crown land agreements as well, which would help with these particular processes as we create stronger communication channels with the ministries.

[3:28:16] Voice 21: but that it is still concerning if they move ahead and grant tenures or license of occupation

[3:28:24] Voice 21: without consulting or engaging with nations or with the islands trust so so there are ways of

[3:28:33] Voice 21: improving communications but if we do provide proper wording for these things then that might

[3:28:40] Voice 21: might be helpful um so hopefully that provides a little bit of clarity thank

[3:28:46] Trustee Busheikin: you case

[3:28:49] Voice 21: yeah I just

[3:28:51] Voice 1: wanted to clarify we're talking about the model strategy the report that came out from the islands

[3:28:57] Voice 1: a regional planning committee in the past was a large document embedded in which is the actual

[3:29:03] Voice 1: model strategy and it gives a lot of background information so I'm presuming we're talking about

[3:29:08] Voice 1: that model strategy part of that document or the whole document just want to confirm that

[3:29:14] Trustee Busheikin: okay thanks that's that makes me feel a little better for because i was confused before about

[3:29:18] Trustee Busheikin: what we're talking about but it i don't know the answer to that does anyone know the answer to that

[3:29:24] Voice 17: i'm sure oops yeah

[3:29:26] Trustee Busheikin: yeah

[3:29:28] Voice 17: okay it is just the model strategy we're talking about

[3:29:32] Voice 17: um not the whole report background happy to forward that information to you again if you wish

[3:29:37] Voice 17: and i think lisa's point is really salient staff from the salt spring team work with lisa to

[3:29:44] Voice 17: identify the gaps in the model strategy and we have it in the report you see before you um and

[3:29:51] Voice 17: but the salt spring island local trust committee passed that as a

[3:29:55] Voice 17: standing resolution to make sure we don't lose it but

[3:29:59] Voice 17: But so.

[3:30:00] Voice 17: Salt Spring LTC recognized that the model strategy is a trust wide document and we didn't want to start tinkering with the trust wide.

[3:30:08] Voice 17: So that's why it's coming back to you is we, the Salt Spring, Lisa's done the work, identifying where the gap is.

[3:30:14] Voice 17: And in a perfect world from a Salt Spring perspective is the regional planning committee says yep we agree we should assign resources to this Lisa works with whomever director monitor assigns or maybe it's just Lisa, and returns with that

[3:30:29] Voice 17: that wording embedded in the document and then that can go back out to the LDCs to adopt as they

[3:30:35] Voice 17: wish and I know on Salt Spring then we would get rid of that standing resolution and just adopt

[3:30:40] Voice 17: that strategy. So I agree it doesn't sound like overly cumbersome but I cannot speak for Lisa

[3:30:44] Voice 17: because I know she outperforms by a long shot so I don't want to put more on earth in our workplace.

[3:30:52] Voice 17: Thanks.

[3:30:53] Trustee Busheikin: Thank you. I think that answers a lot of questions for us and I think if we pass the

[3:30:58] Trustee Busheikin: resolution it will get done when lisa can turn her attention to it and uh be brought back to us

[3:31:06] Trustee Busheikin: and um we could leave it at that is that fine can i call the question

[3:31:12] Trustee Busheikin: yeah i

[3:31:13] Voice 16: think uh trustee patrick hadn't quite finished crafting her motion i

[3:31:19] Trustee Busheikin: think the rest

[3:31:20] Trustee Busheikin: was

[3:31:20] Voice 16: to add it to the projects list perhaps of rpc work program oh

[3:31:26] Trustee Busheikin: yes thank you

[3:31:27] Trustee Busheikin: good point that's it

[3:31:29] Trustee Busheikin: so now and it is moved and i believe it was seconded um maybe it wasn't because it wasn't

[3:31:53] Trustee Busheikin: actually finished so let's make okay now it's being seconded thanks by trustee long rice

[3:31:57] Trustee Busheikin: uh trustee stanford also concerned it i

[3:32:01] Voice 7: am going to call the question all in favor

[3:32:03] Voice 7: oh let's see how this counting

[3:32:12] Trustee Busheikin: goes one two three four five six i've got eight hands

[3:32:19] Trustee Busheikin: um that includes trustee maude's hand and trustee colburn is abstaining so that motion carries

[3:32:31] Voice 7: and we can take our hands down thank you uh so we're just about done

[3:32:41] Trustee Busheikin: our next meeting uh is may

[3:32:45] Trustee Busheikin: 18th uh so we'll be seeing each other one way or the other at trust council but we have uh

[3:32:52] Trustee Busheikin: trustee patrick has something well

[3:32:54] Trustee Patrick: i i i was trying to find we were talking earlier about

[3:32:58] Trustee Patrick: this significant project that we have funding for for the development for our permitting

[3:33:03] Trustee Patrick: application process it is I can't find it in the strategic plan so it's not sitting in the strategic

[3:33:08] Trustee Patrick: plan either I don't think it's something we have to decide today but it is probably something this

[3:33:12] Trustee Patrick: committee should have somewhere on its work program eyeballs on that project so I don't know

[3:33:20] Trustee Patrick: if we want to ask pass a motion to ask staff to come to recommend that or just leave that as a

[3:33:26] Trustee Patrick: verbal for now and I'll let the chair maybe have that conversation with staff and bring it to our

[3:33:31] Trustee Patrick: our next meeting something like that I

[3:33:33] Trustee Busheikin: think staff are hearing that and I think I'm seeing

[3:33:36] Trustee Busheikin: kind of nods and that totally makes sense so yeah it should appear in the appropriate tracking

[3:33:43] Trustee Busheikin: documents the FUAL the work program wherever it is and the odd verbal update uh would be appreciated

[3:33:50] Trustee Busheikin: so I don't think we need a motion for that or staff do is it better that's

[3:33:55] Voice 11: fine yeah I'll bring

[3:33:56] Voice 11: it up david yep

[3:33:57] Trustee Busheikin: good good catch uh anything anything else before we adjourn okay well

[3:34:06] Trustee Busheikin: thanks everyone for really good work and i think we're finishing up at a reasonable time

[3:34:10] Trustee Busheikin: and we had some really good discussions about um big issues i really pleased with the yeah just

[3:34:19] Trustee Busheikin: with the type of discussions we're having and i want to thank staff for their excellent support

[3:34:24] Trustee Busheikin: and we will see each other one way or another on zoom or maybe in person at trust council

[3:34:34] Voice 8: bye all