Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, March 28, 2022

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[0:07:39] Voice 11: uh thank you for everyone's patience as we get started uh this is the um regular meeting of the

[0:07:49] Voice 11: They welcome everybody, the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 of you.

[0:07:54] Voice 11: They're here in person.

[0:07:55] Voice 11: And those of you who are joining us via video link, we are set up to broadcast.

[0:08:05] Voice 11: I'll tell you about that in a moment.

[0:08:07] Voice 11: This is the regular meeting of March the 28th of the Maine Island Local Trust Committee.

[0:08:14] Voice 11: we're meeting on main island and we're very grateful to be here in the traditional

[0:08:20] Voice 11: territories of the coast salish peoples um i was reminded of that as i as i crossed the salish sea

[0:08:27] Voice 11: uh to come to this beautiful island and join i'm glad to be able to be back here again

[0:08:34] Voice 11: um and uh we're uh grateful of course this is also the traditional territory of the

[0:08:41] Voice 11: the Sarsfield Peoples and the First Nation and others and we're very grateful to live and work

[0:08:47] Voice 11: and play here. So this is a resumption of our in-person meetings after we tried in the fall

[0:08:57] Voice 11: and of course there was the reboot of the of the Omicron wave of the of the COVID and we all know

[0:09:06] Voice 11: that we're not out of the the covet i'm um uh we this is the first time since i think november

[0:09:15] Voice 11: that we've met in person it was either october or november and we're back to the system that

[0:09:21] Voice 11: we were trying to moment in the fall which is to have a um an in-person meeting we will be

[0:09:28] Voice 11: broadcasting the meeting it's broadcasting live uh it is recording well now that i look at it

[0:09:36] Voice 11: i don't see a button that tells me it's recording so i better i hope it's recording

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[0:09:45] Voice 11: and i'm told that it will be and uh you'll be able to watch this live or watch the recording as

[0:09:54] Voice 11: we move forward once it's posted to the website we're grateful for the ability to do this it's

[0:10:00] Voice 11: not without its challenges both my challenges and all of our challenges electronically

[0:10:05] Voice 11: and trying to make it as accessible as we possibly can for as many people as we can

[0:10:14] Voice 11: so thank you for joining us today and we're we're happy to be able to do this we have

[0:10:21] Voice 11: um uh an agenda before so let me introduce a few of the people that you see so the process will be

[0:10:29] Voice 11: that that uh those in the that are here present um will be able to participate uh online we also

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[0:10:57] Voice 11: We may pause and see if we can put a presentation

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[0:11:05] Voice 11: But you'll be able to hear, interestingly,

[0:11:09] Voice 11: this camera that's in front of me

[0:11:11] Voice 11: and in front of the attendees

[0:11:14] Voice 11: is actually a very good microphone

[0:11:17] Voice 11: phone and speaker system so you'll be able to hear and see anybody who joins us. So I'll introduce

[0:11:24] Voice 11: you to local trustees of course you know Janine Dodds who's down down this end to my left and

[0:11:32] Voice 11: David Maud to my right. We have Island Planner Nerissa Chadwick who is quite late today with

[0:11:38] Voice 11: all the ferry issues as as you were too and of course Pat Todd who was on my ferry this morning

[0:11:46] Voice 11: so we were all other than janine we were all on ferries this morning to get here to join

[0:11:52] Voice 11: and with that

[0:11:53] Voice 11: i think i'll just sort of launch into the uh into the uh to the agenda and ask

[0:12:01] Voice 11: um the trustees whether there's any changes and i think packages hard copies of the agenda have

[0:12:07] Voice 11: been made available um well this is for the cia this is where we're at now

[0:12:15] Voice 6: we're

[0:12:16] Voice 11: not quite there

[0:12:17] Voice 11: we actually have town hall first unless you would like to change the nature of the agenda and have

[0:12:23] Voice 11: town hall after the flexible housing um so the first item on the agenda as well is just to prove

[0:12:29] Voice 11: is there anything to add or or distract and i'm going to have trouble seeing you denise um so

[0:12:35] Voice 11: if you could maybe move forward a little bit anything to add or change to the agenda nothing

[0:12:40] Voice 11: okay great then we'll take the agenda adopted and the first item on the agenda then is a town hall

[0:12:46] Voice 11: and this is where i make my usual commentary about being respectful and appropriate in your language

[0:12:52] Voice 11: to the uh to the um uh to everybody involved uh i ask you to make any commentary you have this

[0:12:59] Voice 11: your opportunity to speak to your local trustees and the local trust committee um about items that

[0:13:04] Voice 11: are on our agenda or matters that we're working on uh if you're an applicant or something of

[0:13:10] Voice 11: that nature you do you don't actually actually we don't have any

[0:13:13] Voice 11: applications on the agenda today

[0:13:14] Voice 11: i was going to say you don't need to speak during town hall because you have an opportunity to speak

[0:13:18] Voice 11: then um of course we do have a delegation from the main highland housing society a little bit

[0:13:24] Voice 11: later so we'll hear from them at that time but please talk speak to us uh not to each other but

[0:13:31] Voice 11: rather to uh to us as your opportunity to speak and and let us know what you're thinking or to

[0:13:37] Voice 11: ask any questions please um talk about issues and not people with personalities and uh thirdly

[0:13:43] Voice 11: please use appropriate language unlike at the academy awards last night anybody who might have

[0:13:50] Voice 11: seen um so um with that uh i'm going to open the town hall and i'll uh uh turn to see who

[0:14:01] Voice 11: wishes to address the little trust me mr crumble former trustee to come with you nice to see you

[0:14:05] Voice 11: brian again thank

[0:14:06] Voice 1: you chad um i want to speak about i understand on the agenda you're talking

[0:14:10] Voice 1: about the rezoning of emerald fields jack park

[0:14:13] Voice 11: it's part of the um ocp or luv amendments project

[0:14:19] Voice 11: that's great okay i'd like to speak to that

[0:14:20] Voice 1: so uh thank you um and uh i speak strongly in favor of

[0:14:27] Voice 1: of that amendment um just to for complete transparency um i've been living on main

[0:14:36] Voice 1: island for 44 years and in the 1980s for several years i was on the oscar um ac what do you call

[0:14:43] Voice 1: it apc thank you on the apc for a few years and part of that time i was also on a committee

[0:14:51] Voice 1: uh that was set up to examine the potential for parks and for trails on the island and i worked

[0:14:58] Voice 1: with patty lambert you will remember him uh we did a lot of work and it culminated in the this

[0:15:04] Voice 1: as it was a discovery the potential for what is called dinner bay park it wasn't a park in those

[0:15:10] Voice 1: those days. And so that was set up and then invited the CRD to

[0:15:16] Voice 1: come and set up a recreation commission. So I was at all the

[0:15:20] Voice 1: meetings which were here. There was quite a bit of, there's a

[0:15:26] Voice 1: lot of support, but there's also very strong vocal opposition to

[0:15:29] Voice 1: that, which I could name names, but I won't. On the basis that

[0:15:35] Voice 1: that if we set up a park, then people will come and use it.

[0:15:40] Voice 1: And the logic is fabulous.

[0:15:43] Voice 1: But anyway, it did go through

[0:15:44] Voice 1: and a commission was set up.

[0:15:48] Voice 1: And subsequently, I was also a member of that commission,

[0:15:51] Voice 1: Parks and Rec Commission.

[0:15:54] Voice 1: What I'd like to do, two parts.

[0:15:56] Voice 1: One is Dinube Park itself,

[0:15:58] Voice 1: which was a holding of the Adachi family,

[0:16:01] Voice 1: which were also settlers.

[0:16:03] Voice 1: They came in the early 20th century.

[0:16:06] Voice 1: And I really commend Parks and Rec for the fabulous work that's been done.

[0:16:12] Voice 1: It is a really good community park.

[0:16:14] Voice 1: And a lot of volunteer work has gone into that for all kinds of things.

[0:16:18] Voice 1: And it is recognized, the family, the Adachi family recognizes the pavilion there.

[0:16:23] Voice 1: And there's also a very, very fine Japanese memorial park of gardens in there.

[0:16:31] Voice 1: This is super.

[0:16:33] Voice 1: Now when that happened, the first settlers came here about the 1860s, and about 15 years before that, Captain Richardson was sent out by the British Royal Navy to check and look at all the islands and survey the islands.

[0:16:51] Voice 1: And when Captain Richardson sailed through there, through Active Pass and into what is now called Dinner Bay,

[0:17:00] Voice 1: sorry, Village Bay, there was a whole community there.

[0:17:05] Voice 1: There were several hundred First Nation people camped there for the summer with their canoes.

[0:17:11] Voice 1: And the artist that they had on board has drawn that picture.

[0:17:15] Voice 1: You can see it in Richardson's journal, which is published.

[0:17:18] Voice 1: published. That's why it's prosaically called Village Bay. But what had happened, those

[0:17:29] Voice 1: people have been coming here for 800 years. And the original name, of course, of this

[0:17:35] Voice 1: island is Skatak. And that was completely lost. And so the tragedy of the First Nations

[0:17:42] Voice 1: of the Salish people is enormous, as we know. And it's ironic today that some of the representatives

[0:17:48] Voice 1: are now in Rome, but seeking some kind of apology for the, what do you call them, residential

[0:18:00] Voice 1: schools.

[0:18:01] Voice 1: And the nearest one over here is Penelika, another island close by.

[0:18:05] Voice 1: But the communities were absolutely decimated.

[0:18:09] Voice 1: And we're talking now about the settlers coming in, clearing the land, just taking the land,

[0:18:16] Voice 1: cutting down the trees and so on.

[0:18:18] Voice 1: and that little tiny park that is under discussion, what is now called

[0:18:23] Voice 1: Emerald Felix Jack Park, and it was called initially Triangle Park, which was brilliant,

[0:18:28] Voice 1: was the result of a subdivision where some people have bought the land and used, divided it up and

[0:18:34] Voice 1: made a lot of money. It was purely for commerce and for wealth. And Johnny Akin, whom I know very

[0:18:43] Voice 1: very well, has done an enormous amount of work on this side of First Nations, and he

[0:18:48] Voice 1: has done a terrific amount of work on that.

[0:18:50] Voice 1: We need to recognize and honor his work, and what I suggest that we are at the point where

[0:18:58] all

[0:18:58] Voice 1: of this discussion and the discussion that you're going to have later on is colonial.

[0:19:03] Voice 1: It's settlement, it's mostly English, but we're talking about laws and bylaws and regulations

[0:19:09] Voice 1: regulations and rules to follow and I think that's irrelevant what we have is a very very powerful

[0:19:16] Voice 1: ethic that says we must act we must do something to really honor and respect all of the work that

[0:19:24] Voice 1: John has done and all of the on the first nations everything that that is incumbent and also even a

[0:19:29] Voice 1: very strong aesthetic a god aesthetic of humility and so I would strongly commend John's work I

[0:19:38] Voice 1: commend the parks and records for that and i really strongly recommend the work of this

[0:19:43] Voice 1: committee the local trust committee for this move to try and get this thing zoned as johnny would

[0:19:50] Voice 1: like into a passive park and not deal with it it has nothing to do with a precedent setting

[0:19:57] Voice 1: or precedence and so on the work is only just beginning there's a huge amount of work to be done

[0:20:02] Voice 1: and that was it thank you sir don't

[0:20:07] Voice 11: look behind you i

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[0:20:09] Voice 5: sorry my name is

[0:20:10] Voice 5: michael philpatrick i am the vice chair of the parks and parks commission and i am here on their

[0:20:16] Voice 5: behalf um we sent out a letter last friday to the committee i hope you all had a chance to look at

[0:20:24] Voice 5: it to read it the concerns and we'll just reiterate what those concerns are is that for one we feel

[0:20:32] Voice 5: if there's been a lack of consultation that's happening on the spot that this procedure has

[0:20:38] gone far very much transparency and it's left us in the dark as to why we're going forward on this

[0:20:44] at this point the

[0:20:46] Voice 5: second thing is the and there's more detail obviously in our letter but the second

[0:20:51] Voice 5: thing is the whole notion of reconciliation is something that we recognize it is part of the

[0:20:57] the parks commission long-term planning it's in our documentation we would like that to proceed

[0:21:06] in some form but at this point we don't think there's been enough consultation to actually

[0:21:12] determine what that form is and at this point to change the bylaw so that the zoning is changed

[0:21:19] and amended with specific uses and restrictions we feel that will restrict us in the future

[0:21:25] or making any kind of meaningful reconciliation

[0:21:27] Voice 5: without having to come back and doing another

[0:21:29] Voice 5: zoning change we feel that at this point it is best to leave the zoning as it is and remove

[0:21:37] the this item it is we feel

[0:21:43] Voice 5: when you're very restricted thanks and

[0:21:48] Voice 5: i've read your letter

[0:21:50] Voice 5: i'm

[0:21:50] Voice 11: guessing thank you is there anybody else who wishes to yes go ahead my

[0:21:58] Voice 7: name is ingrid marsh

[0:21:59] Voice 7: and backing up michael's little talk with the parks board um

[0:22:06] Voice 6: regarding emily felix jack park

[0:22:09] Voice 6: i'm the only executive of garden club that remains on new york that was involved in the

[0:22:16] Voice 6: original planning and creation of the park as it now exists this uh about 18 years ago we presented

[0:22:24] Voice 6: our plans to the parks board, made the improvements using the money we raised and a bequest made

[0:22:31] Voice 6: for this particular park. So we did all the work for this as it now exists. It also involved

[0:22:39] Voice 6: many hours of sweat equity for years by the Garden Club members and volunteers. We also

[0:22:48] Voice 6: raised $18,000 and sponsored the welcoming figure as well as its

[0:22:53] Voice 6: installation. We agreed to the turning over of the park stewardship to John

[0:23:00] Voice 6: Aiton after this was all done for its upkeep in memory of his family history

[0:23:05] Voice 6: on the island. I was very upset to hear this week of the possible changing of

[0:23:12] Voice 6: the park status to a passive park without any consultation of the public

[0:23:18] Voice 6: or the park school looking at the definition of a passive park it already follows this description

[0:23:26] Voice 6: any changes to me may must go through the park school we encourage people to sit on benches and

[0:23:33] Voice 6: picnic enjoy the view we do not want it to go back to what it was unkept and unusable

[0:23:41] Voice 6: since it is a proud entrance of the village i didn't do not see the point just like michael

[0:23:47] Voice 6: just said of putting a new name on something that works already and that's making it difficult for

[0:23:54] Voice 6: any changes that might be decided in the next 20 years so that i've been involved with this over

[0:24:00] Voice 6: the last almost 20

[0:24:01] Voice 6: years why change something that is not broken it should be up to the parks board

[0:24:07] Voice 6: and not the islands trust to manage the purpose of this fight thank you very much

[0:24:13] Voice 9: anybody else

[0:24:15] Voice 11: wish to speak to the

[0:24:16] Voice 6: local trust committee in this townhouse that's

[0:24:22] Voice 8: right will there be later

[0:24:22] Voice 8: opportunities in this meeting to speak or do we speak now uh

[0:24:25] Voice 11: there's the only opportunities at the

[0:24:27] Voice 11: very end there's another town hall uh so if you wish to speak to something that's on our agenda

[0:24:32] Voice 11: but it's at the very end then you should do so now okay

[0:24:35] Voice 8: so well i'm nico preston we bought uh

[0:24:38] Voice 8: patricia and john hoff's uh property up on uh village bay road um and there's a lot of things

[0:24:44] Voice 8: one around on all four of our property lines it's pretty overwhelming as news covers the island

[0:24:50] Voice 8: uh we've kind of bided our time listening and observing and talking with neighbors to try to

[0:24:55] Voice 8: gather what's going on but at this point few and any of the groups making those changes have had

[0:25:01] Voice 8: any conversations with us so we'd like to hear more uh we have some pretty major concerns in

[0:25:05] Voice 8: particular with uh the housing plans next door um and are very much in the dark as to what the

[0:25:11] Voice 8: plans are there so i can make my points about those concerns now or i could wait to hear what

[0:25:17] Voice 8: the latest is on that project um but uh yeah there's

[0:25:21] Voice 8: a lot going on on our borders

[0:25:24] Voice 11: i'm not the one to welcome you to maine island because i don't live here

[0:25:29] Voice 11: but uh welcome and uh there is all of the a lot of the information would be on the website

[0:25:35] Voice 11: and under the applications the planner related

[0:25:39] Voice 11: to that is sitting right over there and it would be a

[0:25:41] Voice 11: for good person for you to connect to the people that are the directors of the main island housing

[0:25:45] Voice 11: society are right in front of you uh there is going to be a presentation um after the uh

[0:25:52] Voice 11: community information meeting sometime probably within the next half hour which gives you

[0:25:56] Voice 11: but it probably won't give you the depth of the the background that you might be interested in

[0:26:01] Voice 11: um and we're not it's not on our agenda beyond that today so you're not going to learn a lot

[0:26:07] Voice 11: new so, but there are lots of resources for you to be able to find as much information

[0:26:12] Voice 11: that you want.

[0:26:13] Voice 11: I'm sure that, for example, Narissa would be more than happy to point you to all the

[0:26:17] Voice 11: places and

[0:26:19] Voice 5: have a conversation with you related to.

[0:26:21] Voice 5: Also,

[0:26:22] Voice 11: for the comments, what was the presentation?

[0:26:25] Voice 11: Yeah, as I said,

[0:26:26] Voice 11: I think the presentation today is more of an update as opposed to,

[0:26:30] Voice 11: it's not a wholesome, here's what the application is about, as far as I know, in any case.

[0:26:36] Voice 11: okay anybody else uh wish to speak in this particular uh part of the agenda yes sir yes

[0:26:42] Voice 9: i'm just wanting to raise the issue about zoning about property i'm sorry i'm

[0:26:51] Voice 11: sorry about the witch

[0:26:52] Voice 9: down zoning about property by the way my name is

[0:26:55] Voice 9: i have somewhat been informed there might not be on the agenda i would like to get clarification if

[0:27:05] Voice 9: it is and if it is going to be on the agenda you can

[0:27:09] Voice 11: speak about it and it's as far as i know it's

[0:27:13] Voice 11: on the agenda yeah it's

[0:27:14] Voice 11: part of the item um

[0:27:17] Voice 9: uh

[0:27:19] Voice 11: yes it's part of the 11.2 which is the land use

[0:27:23] Voice 11: bylaw um so yes go ahead so

[0:27:26] Voice 9: um we've owned this property properties by mcfather oh 50 60 years

[0:27:34] Voice 9: ago um it's a family property all the extended family live there and right now we understand

[0:27:44] Voice 9: we are allowed to build seven houses in seven cottages there is a proposed amendment to the

[0:27:50] Voice 9: zoning that would downgrade us to only seven residents it's we've not been proposed about this

[0:27:58] Voice 9: and we would reject it during the down zoning

[0:28:03] Voice 9: wanted to make that clear um if there's things that we can do to talk to you to

[0:28:11] Voice 9: form out figure out what needs to be done and why what's motivating us

[0:28:18] Voice 9: thank you thank you anybody else

[0:28:22] Voice 11: if not then i'll then i'll um i'll uh close the town hall

[0:28:31] Voice 11: and move into the agenda and the first item on the agenda uh beyond the town hall is item four

[0:28:38] Voice 11: which is a community information meeting um so in a sense we're turning the meeting going into

[0:28:45] Voice 11: a cim but we're just going to build it into as part of the um as part of this particular meeting

[0:28:51] Voice 11: and it's a it's a community information meeting to talk about our one of our projects which is

[0:28:56] Voice 11: the flexible housing project and there was a handout that was handed out which i've now

[0:29:01] Voice 11: misplaced um that looks like that which will uh which will be uh i expect what you're going to

[0:29:09] Voice 11: be referring to yeah so this is an opportunity for you to know where we're at in terms of the

[0:29:16] Voice 11: um of the our this particular project which has been ongoing for uh over three years

[0:29:23] Voice 11: and uh we do have a further step to take in relation to this but we felt it was important

[0:29:28] Voice 11: to bring you an update there will be further um updates as we move forward but there are proposals

[0:29:34] Voice 11: is on our agenda a little later to update uh bylaws etc to implement this project depending

[0:29:40] Voice 11: on what we hear of course from uh public and from how we decided before so i'm going to turn it over

[0:29:46] Voice 11: to planner chadwick who's going to walk us through the community information and this

[0:29:52] Voice 11: will be an opportunity by the way there'll be an opportunity in this to ask questions

[0:29:56] Voice 11: too so this is a good time for you if you have questions about the project and what

[0:30:00] Voice 11: be proposed this is this is exactly the time for you to do that so wait okay

[0:30:05] Voice 6: thanks chair rogers

[0:30:07] Voice 6: um yeah so uh we thought that uh that the um trustees had uh supported us having another

[0:30:14] Voice 6: community uh conversation about this before first reading we have had a number of uh community

[0:30:21] Voice 6: meetings throughout the past year on this uh on this topic and that's really helped to um focus

[0:30:28] Voice 6: is in advance of the project um and and and has also enabled us some clear decisions to be made

[0:30:34] Voice 6: around um around for example where um the uh uh the maximum the additional unit and maximum

[0:30:44] area um area is um some of our initial discussions um we learned

[0:30:50] Voice 6: that the um the water districts

[0:30:52] Voice 6: weren't interested in being part of the pilot at this time so that was just an example of how we

[0:30:58] Voice 6: have sort of taken in committee input and focused it so there are

[0:31:04] Voice 12: a number of elements to the bylaw

[0:31:07] Voice 12: and those are identified on the handout and I can quickly go through them so

[0:31:15] Voice 12: the sort

[0:31:17] Voice 6: of one is limitation on limitation on what can be considered in dwelling so part of

[0:31:28] Voice 6: this project emerged because of the um you know the interest in small homes tiny homes there's

[0:31:34] Voice 6: tiny homes on wheels there's smaller homes um and so um uh yes that was uh directed to explore

[0:31:45] Voice 6: the opportunities to support all the different types of housing and um with with respect to the

[0:31:51] Voice 6: tiny homes on

[0:31:53] Voice 12: wheels that was a particular question um and it's a very it's a very

[0:31:58] Voice 6: challenging um it it's very challenging from a like regulatory perspective to support finding

[0:32:05] Voice 6: homes and wheels because they are essentially um recreational vehicles and they don't they

[0:32:10] they don't necessarily um adhere

[0:32:13] Voice 6: to any particular standards so it's sort of getting

[0:32:15] Voice 6: getting the the uh the local trust committee in a bit of a regulatory challenging area so

[0:32:24] Voice 6: So for that reason, they have been excluded

[0:32:28] Voice 6: from this project.

[0:32:34] The bylaw also increases the size of

[0:32:37] Voice 6: secondary suites

[0:32:39] Voice 6: to 1,000 square feet.

[0:32:41] That

[0:32:41] Voice 6: was permitted in some areas and not in others.

[0:32:44] So that was agreed as a size that's

[0:32:49] Voice 6: a reasonable .

[0:32:53] Voice 6: That's actually typical.

[0:32:55] Voice 6: um the room and the room of lower lower cottage sizes for smaller lots so in the bylaws smaller

[0:33:03] Voice 6: lots have smaller size cottage allowance and so this basically levels the playing field

[0:33:09] Voice 6: and it brings that cottage size across the island to a thousand square feet um then there's the uh

[0:33:22] Voice 6: allowing additional dwellings in a maximum square footage and that's what we've identified a pilot

[0:33:27] Voice 6: area for. And so the chart there on the page that I've handed out gives you an idea of what

[0:33:37] Voice 6: that looks like. So in the areas where currently you're only allowed to have one dwelling,

[0:33:42] Voice 6: You would be allowed to have two with a maximum square footage of 2500 in the area in the in the in the sizes of lots greater to

[0:33:53] Voice 6: have currently one dwelling and one cottage, you would be allowed to have an additional dwelling within a maximum square

[0:34:00] Voice 6: footage of 3500 square feet um and so the maximum size of lots that we're going up to is 10 acres

[0:34:09] Voice 6: and that was um at first we were exploring only five acre lots but then it was sort of increased

[0:34:14] Voice 6: into 10 acre lots because there are a number of 10 acre lots that are within areas that there are

[0:34:19] Voice 6: five acre lots that was sort of the rationale around there so those um lots that are in

[0:34:25] Voice 6: So three acres to 10 acres, where you're currently allowed one dwelling, one cottage, you would be allowed to have two dwellings or three dwellings, one cottage with a maximum square footage of 4,750 square feet.

[0:34:42] Voice 6: um so with respect to this um the uh the additional dwellings would be required to

[0:34:52] Voice 6: have water catchment um 3 000 gallons and that's what's currently um required for secondary suites

[0:34:59] so that's where that number came from and you know we did a fair amount of um research and

[0:35:05] Voice 6: consideration when we put that number into the ocp or into the land use model um bed and breakfast

[0:35:12] Voice 6: would only be allowed in the primary dwelling only so we're not changing the, we're not changing that home business regulation at all with respect to that.

[0:35:24] Voice 6: You would be prohibited to have STVR rentals and additional dwellings. So, currently, so it says only one college could be used where colleges are committed so that is what we have currently in the home based business regulation if you have one

[0:35:42] Voice 6: dwelling and one cottage you're allowed to rent out so under this you would not be able to rent

[0:35:47] Voice 6: out that additional um only uh only one secondary suite so where um where they're permitted you would

[0:35:56] Voice 6: only be ready to have a secondary suite in only one of the dwellings and then there's the

[0:36:05] Voice 6: identification of the pilot

[0:36:06] Voice 12: area so that's on the back so um at the last meeting i i presented some

[0:36:13] Voice 12: Some data

[0:36:13] Voice 6: that I sort of had looked at a number of factors to figure out where the better locations on the island could be.

[0:36:24] Voice 6: And those included considerations of the size of the lots, the distance of the lots from amenities,

[0:36:37] Voice 6: the potential of uptake, and that was looked at vacant lots, and that was one of the indicators,

[0:36:49] Voice 6: and then looked at saltwater intrusion and water availability data, and also potential

[0:36:57] Voice 6: potential for contamination based on the contours of the land.

[0:37:08] Voice 6: And so all of that data allowed us

[0:37:13] Voice 6: to have a look at where the most optimal areas would

[0:37:17] Voice 6: be considering all of that.

[0:37:18] Voice 6: And so the bottom map is what was presented at the last LTC,

[0:37:24] Voice 6: see identifying the most optimal the medium optimal and the least optimal areas and the at

[0:37:32] Voice 6: the meeting the um the lcc uh uh they uh wanted to identify that they'd like to be expanded um

[0:37:41] into uh

[0:37:42] Voice 6: including most optimal and a portion of medium optimal area um that sort of builds on

[0:37:50] Voice 6: down for a little bit more so that's the um that would be a summary of of what the um what the

[0:37:59] Voice 6: bylaw uh amendment the draft uh contains currently and um that's the opportunity for for questions

[0:38:07] Voice 6: okay so

[0:38:13] Voice 11: thank you so this as i said this is the opportunity not the first time we've had this

[0:38:17] Voice 11: application here before the community but to ask any questions or clarification you may have

[0:38:22] Voice 11: it doesn't stop you from asking them at a later date as well um either by email or to your

[0:38:28] Voice 11: trustees but if this is your opportunity if anybody has any questions about where we're

[0:38:32] Voice 11: headed in this or at least where we're proposed to be headed in terms of this particular slide

[0:38:39] Voice 11: yeah just

[0:38:39] Voice 6: a small one i can't read the light gray and dark gray areas i can't read what it's

[0:38:45] Voice 6: oh yeah

[0:38:45] Voice 12: yeah yeah so so that um that's a good question so the dark

[0:38:50] Voice 12: gray areas are the water

[0:38:52] Voice 12: service areas so those areas they we just left them out because they said no we don't want anything

[0:38:57] Voice 12: to do with it and then the the lighter gray areas um those are areas that are identified um on the

[0:39:04] Voice 6: the water um the water uh accessibility maps as being potentially critical areas so we put those

[0:39:15] Voice 6: out as well that

[0:39:16] Voice 7: mean that they would generally be either on a well or just potentially higher

[0:39:21] Voice 7: Yeah,

[0:39:22] Voice 12: so there's we've done some mapping and and so we've been able to identify areas

[0:39:29] Voice 6: where, you know, the different factors that contribute to how the quality and the quantity of the water so in this case, you know, it,

[0:39:40] Voice 12: it relates a lot to like all kinds

[0:39:44] Voice 12: of things like the depths the depth of the of

[0:39:47] Voice 6: the uh um soil and the the how the earth is and

[0:39:52] Voice 6: everything geographical aspects yeah so that's that's how we determine that yeah okay

[0:39:58] Voice 11: any other

[0:40:00] Voice 11: questions for the flyer yeah go ahead thanks

[0:40:03] Voice 6: um you talked about the maximum size uh for

[0:40:10] Voice 6: throughout the secondary dwelling sort of for smaller sizers they're a smaller size

[0:40:14] Voice 6: that's one of my questions another one was on the chart here the smallest size for the lot of 1.5

[0:40:20] Voice 6: acres is that the representative smallest size or is there another smaller size that has allows

[0:40:26] Voice 6: currently only one dwelling so is it just not in this truck it's what you see is less than so all

[0:40:33] Voice 6: all all um lots that are less than 1.5 acres that's where you would you are currently only

[0:40:39] Voice 6: permitted one dwelling and you would be allowed to have two okay that sign to me means greater than

[0:40:45] Voice 6: oh okay all right thank you okay thank you for pointing out that and what about the smallest

[0:40:56] Voice 6: size for the dwelling we talked about tiny homes but is there a smaller size so i would say the

[0:41:02] Voice 6: smallest size would be what you would be able to get a building permit for which would be have to

[0:41:08] Voice 6: adhere to um building code so you know folks that are really creative can figure can can figure out

[0:41:16] Voice 6: how they can manage to uh achieve that that i think is the critical factor um in terms of smallest

[0:41:24] Voice 6: size and it's a good question because i have the same question myself i um i'm interested in

[0:41:30] knowing what is the smallest size and still once i

[0:41:37] Voice 6: come up with that number i will i will share with

[0:41:39] Voice 6: you because i'm curious i asked the building inspector i didn't get a straight answer but

[0:41:43] Voice 6: the assumption is you would have to have a functional washroom toilet sink that would

[0:41:50] Voice 6: have to be big enough to have a bathroom big enough to have the kitchen and then after that

[0:41:56] Voice 6: i don't think they're too concerned but i couldn't get a straight answer for the building inspection

[0:42:01] what your creative design shows but I don't

[0:42:04] Voice 6: think that he is a trustee needs to put a minimum size

[0:42:09] Voice 6: I suspect you know you could go as low as having seen the mobile tiny home on Wooddale which is

[0:42:17] Voice 6: 128 square feet and it has a building for sure sir

[0:42:29] Voice 5: is there any distinction between a dwelling

[0:42:32] Voice 5: and a cottage other than the maximum size for a cottage it's

[0:42:36] Voice 12: that's what we've got written in

[0:42:37] Voice 12: the bylaw essentially right now so i mean it's it's just that a cottage is that is

[0:42:43] Voice 6: is the second the second uh smaller uh dwelling basically so

[0:42:48] Voice 5: that in the case of having more than

[0:42:51] Voice 5: one dwelling they wouldn't have a limited size except the homeless block covered that's right

[0:42:56] Voice 6: they could all be the same size yeah you don't need to have one that's bigger or the cottages

[0:43:02] Voice 6: would still need to be under a thousand yes exactly good point yes um

[0:43:10] Voice 9: just curious what

[0:43:12] Voice 9: the life behind given the shortage of uh regular congregation there's like only one secondary suite

[0:43:18] Voice 9: um

[0:43:21] Voice 7: especially

[0:43:22] Voice 9: given if you're allowing houses of different sizes if you want to build two houses

[0:43:28] Voice 9: of the secondary suite yeah

[0:43:31] Voice 6: like i mean currently it's really about um that would be an additional

[0:43:37] Voice 6: change to the land use bylaw so we're just looking at what we've got now and this is sort of a

[0:43:41] Voice 6: pilot project essentially so it doesn't mean to say that in the future we can start to look at

[0:43:47] Voice 6: that good

[0:43:51] Voice 3: questions anything more

[0:43:52] Voice 10: yeah do you envision density transfers happening within

[0:43:56] Voice 10: in this zone during the pilot period that's one question and the second there's a one letter that

[0:44:04] Voice 10: that person wrote later in the agenda around um looking for some variance on in a water district

[0:44:12] Voice 10: where they've got approval kind of from a water district manager do you imagine that possibly

[0:44:17] Voice 10: also being a piloted kind of situation yes

[0:44:23] Voice 12: so i think we're going to discuss that a little bit

[0:44:25] Voice 12: further in the agenda. But, you know, there is, right now, there, you know, there could be the

[0:44:33] Voice 12: opportunity to

[0:44:34] Voice 6: have a conversation with water districts to see what they're, they're comfortable

[0:44:38] Voice 6: with both in terms of this, this type of approach. Yeah, and then from the, just transfer perspective,

[0:44:50] Voice 6: kind of um this this project um sort of lays out um like a particular approach that could be again

[0:44:59] Voice 6: i mean it's something that we've thought about but it doesn't look something that's been built

[0:45:02] Voice 6: well

[0:45:04] Voice 5: and

[0:45:05] Voice 6: just speaking to the density transfer idea the idea here is actually

[0:45:09] Voice 6: well we're offering the incentive of more dwellings we're also reducing the impact of

[0:45:13] Voice 6: the dwellings on the land because these are much much smaller dwellings overall like our

[0:45:18] Voice 6: old formula was lot coverage this is getting away from lot coverage so we're preserving more land

[0:45:23] Voice 6: so from my point of view to say we're going to double the density on lot a and take away

[0:45:28] Voice 6: from b but that pressure on that lot a is not really sustainable so i i mean maybe a future

[0:45:35] trust committee might want to do density transfer but i would be very reluctant i think that

[0:45:39] Voice 6: overall

[0:45:41] Voice 6: all clustered small density on properties is a rural way to go to increase housing opportunities

[0:45:48] Voice 6: but to keep it as small and small scales we can more

[0:45:57] Voice 10: questions yeah go ahead uh it's related to

[0:46:02] Voice 10: the clustering um point that you raised would you envision part of this arrangement is that you

[0:46:09] Voice 10: would be encouraging clustering and looking for ways to uh i don't know if you'd be putting section

[0:46:15] Voice 10: to 19 covenants on some of these lands as part of the site planning is that is it going to be more

[0:46:21] Voice 10: i

[0:46:21] Voice 6: mean that would be an ideal that would definitely

[0:46:24] Voice 12: be something that would be encouraged

[0:46:25] Voice 12: for sure yeah and i i mean i think if we got into larger a larger lot scenario um that that

[0:46:33] Voice 6: that would definitely be something that would be i think even more contemplated and

[0:46:37] Voice 10: are there ways

[0:46:38] Voice 10: ways where you can, sorry, nobody else

[0:46:42] Voice 11: has their hand up.

[0:46:43] Voice 11: I'll go by you if someone else

[0:46:45] Voice 11: puts their hand up.

[0:46:45] Voice 10: Are there ways that you can kind of layer in a housing agreement kind

[0:46:50] Voice 10: of thing with this to kind of start doing double duty on that affordable housing issue?

[0:46:54] Voice 10: That maybe there's a way to start to leverage partnerships with landowners who want to go

[0:47:01] Voice 10: this route?

[0:47:03] Voice 6: I just, I really think that this is just baby steps. We're just starting. That's

[0:47:07] Voice 6: why we have a pilot area i do think if there's a huge uptake if there's any uptake i think those

[0:47:12] Voice 6: are the good valid ideas and questions but i think we're just barely starting and like we discovered

[0:47:18] Voice 6: with secondary suites and other island communities will tell you very little uptake most people come

[0:47:24] Voice 6: here to have a single family dwelling that they use six months a year but if we should get a move

[0:47:30] Voice 6: um then more conversations once they get started that's really really would be exciting

[0:47:39] Voice 6: yeah go ahead yeah just to build on that um um the uh that that would be fabulous

[0:47:48] Voice 6: again like if there if there are owners that want to um um be the first um to sort of set

[0:47:55] Voice 6: an example

[0:47:55] Voice 12: and provide us with a a case study um that would be great because it's certainly

[0:48:01] Voice 12: something that um you know um ultimately if you you know if you had um

[0:48:09] Voice 6: housing agreements

[0:48:11] Voice 6: and density transfers uh then you've got then you've got guaranteed rental space and then you've

[0:48:18] Voice 6: got the land preserved then that's definitely the next step so um you know it's it's something that

[0:48:23] Voice 6: can be discussed a little bit more and again you know if there are it could also be an opportunity

[0:48:29] Voice 6: like those that aren't aren't part of the pilot area now we have an idea of what what we thought

[0:48:37] Voice 6: it through enough to think about what could be possible and so like a rezoning to allow for that

[0:48:42] Voice 6: for example could include the offer of uh of a covenant and uh well all three of what you

[0:48:50] Voice 6: suggested covenant clustering and housing

[0:48:55] Voice 3: i'm

[0:48:57] Voice 6: guessing the answer is because it's a pilot

[0:48:59] Voice 6: project, but I assume that larger lot

[0:49:01] Voice 7: sizes are simply not included because they would just make

[0:49:04] Voice 7: it

[0:49:05] Voice 6: too big of a project. Yeah so at the

[0:49:10] Voice 12: very beginning of the project we did sort of contemplate

[0:49:13] Voice 12: that like that there were some options to explore larger lots as well so we have done some of the

[0:49:19] Voice 12: background thinking of that so it can be brought back at some

[0:49:23] Voice 6: point but yeah basically the answer

[0:49:28] Voice 6: It was also to do with affordability, so the concept behind it is to create more housing

[0:49:33] Voice 6: but also affordability in housing.

[0:49:36] Voice 6: So overall the smaller loss is perhaps being more affordable in terms of purchase but lots

[0:49:42] Voice 6: of flexibility in terms of other projects.

[0:49:46] Voice 6: This

[0:49:47] Voice 11: project started out being called the Tiny Homes Project and then it became, we

[0:49:53] Voice 11: we realized it was it needed to be something more which is why it's now called the flexible housing

[0:49:59] Voice 11: project trying to find a way we can or that i also would have referred to as a distributed density

[0:50:05] Voice 11: project as you take the same amount or less density and distribute it amongst variety and

[0:50:10] Voice 11: create more housing and you're right it did start with smaller locks and then we've increased it a

[0:50:16] Voice 11: little bit but not to be great big ones yeah yeah thank

[0:50:20] Voice 6: you i have a question so the intent as i

[0:50:22] Voice 6: understand it is that this zoning will come in for this select area and then if folks in that area

[0:50:28] Voice 6: who own property uh want to take advantage of this then all they need to do is get a building permit

[0:50:36] Voice 6: proceed it'll

[0:50:38] Voice 11: be permitted yeah

[0:50:39] Voice 6: or

[0:50:40] Voice 11: if someone wants to buy a lot in that area that doesn't

[0:50:43] Voice 11: already have housing on it buy it with 300 people on making this up and say we all we each want to

[0:50:49] Voice 11: yeah

[0:50:49] Voice 6: yeah yes but no requirements to come back here except for to get their building permitted

[0:50:54] Voice 6: well

[0:50:55] Voice 11: we don't do building permits if they meet the

[0:51:00] Voice 11: requirements of the zoning then

[0:51:01] Voice 11: then they deal with the crp and

[0:51:04] Voice 6: just a little history lesson that when sony first came here

[0:51:09] Voice 6: every property was basically the concept was you know one house one family period lots of

[0:51:15] Voice 6: of undeveloped land around you.

[0:51:18] Voice 6: Cottages at one point were only 646 square feet,

[0:51:21] Voice 6: or I will recall, unfortunately lost on that particular one.

[0:51:26] Voice 6: But always the concept was to keep things smaller

[0:51:29] Voice 6: and simpler, but times have changed now

[0:51:32] Voice 6: realizing problems, as you know.

[0:51:37] Voice 6: And so now this is kind of opening the door a little bit

[0:51:40] Voice 6: and hopefully the project can expand water,

[0:51:43] Voice 6: what we know about water or what we think about water

[0:51:45] Voice 6: also restricted the pilot area temporarily to get a better idea about what's available for what

[0:51:52] Voice 6: you have a timeline on where it might be not a part of anymore or when you might consider

[0:51:59] Voice 6: yes you can explain that it's like our seminary so it's on a map so every time it's quite easy

[0:52:04] Voice 6: for us to add to the map more spaces we don't have to go through a great long community process we

[0:52:09] Voice 6: can just like a minor advantage by long change so we can yeah so it would not be like the core of

[0:52:17] Voice 6: the work is done and doing it on the map makes it very very simple to expand and

[0:52:24] Voice 11: once we adopt

[0:52:25] Voice 11: the bylaws etc etc then then it's there and if

[0:52:29] Voice 11: nobody takes it up but if eight people do and

[0:52:35] Voice 11: we know there's another 10 properties somewhere else that might be interested i guess the ltc at

[0:52:39] Voice 11: that time i could make a decision to expand it yeah i'm sorry yeah

[0:52:42] Voice 11: yeah

[0:52:43] Voice 1: this is this is a great

[0:52:46] Voice 1: it's really creative and i i by god experiment um but just further to that discussion if there's a

[0:52:54] Voice 1: an acreage which would have a potential for say three houses or three small even cottages

[0:53:01] Voice 1: um on there but it's one piece of property and you suggest that well maybe three people

[0:53:08] Voice 1: could buy that together how do you envisage their ownership it's not one person with building all of

[0:53:16] Voice 1: them and renting them these are shared equally so how would that there's

[0:53:19] Voice 6: lots of models on the

[0:53:20] Voice 6: end lots of them before family members own it there's stratus there's companies okay so there's

[0:53:25] Voice 1: whatever

[0:53:25] Voice 6: that's

[0:53:26] Voice 1: what it is with

[0:53:27] Voice 6: us but the individuals can okay

[0:53:29] Voice 6: okay or their rentals they become rentals when they also know it's the property well that was

[0:53:35] Voice 1: yeah with the most obvious why do we take a chat but there

[0:53:39] Voice 6: are like like individual homes summer

[0:53:41] Voice 6: homes are owned by four five individuals good

[0:53:44] Voice 11: good anybody else by the way this isn't i mean

[0:53:48] Voice 11: my understanding is this is if if we do what the staff reporter says and we send it off

[0:53:54] Voice 11: there would be another cim before the public hearing right before public any public hearing

[0:53:59] Voice 11: there's

[0:53:59] Voice 6: an opportunity for it yes

[0:54:00] Voice 11: yes so but so you know this isn't the last opportunity but it's

[0:54:05] Voice 11: you know we're getting the it's on our agenda today to make a decision about whether we're

[0:54:09] Voice 11: moving it towards public care okay so thank you for all your very good questions uh we're pretty

[0:54:15] Voice 11: excited to get this done this term it'd be great to get this done um one way or another so with

[0:54:22] Voice 11: that i think i'll close there's no other questions i'll close the community information meeting and

[0:54:27] Voice 11: with thanks to planner chadwick i'm just going to take this off so i'm not muffled

[0:54:32] Voice 11: um and we'll move back into the agenda uh so we're at item uh five on the agenda

[0:54:38] Voice 11: there's no public hearing we have um minutes from uh uh we have three sets of well actually

[0:54:46] Voice 11: we have one set of minutes we have minutes from the february 28th 2022 uh that are at page 12

[0:54:53] Voice 11: 12, six to 12, four to 12 with the agendas.

[0:54:56] Voice 11: Anybody, either trustee have any changes

[0:54:58] Voice 11: they wish to make to the, or amendments, any questions?

[0:55:01] Voice 11: So we'll just take those adopted as presented.

[0:55:04] Voice 11: At page 13 then of the agenda,

[0:55:06] Voice 11: we have the follow-up action list,

[0:55:09] Voice 11: which has materials and information from,

[0:55:12] Voice 11: that was part of our, from our last meeting

[0:55:15] Voice 1: and

[0:55:16] Voice 11: from meetings before.

[0:55:17] Voice 11: Planner Chadwick, do you have anything to point out

[0:55:19] Voice 11: from the follow-up action list?

[0:55:20] Voice 6: nothing to point out except that um there will be um uh engagement around the uh trust policy

[0:55:26] Voice 6: statement um on the 11th of april um staff will be here and there'll be two sessions one um earlier

[0:55:37] in the day and then one uh in the evening early

[0:55:40] Voice 6: evening um and i believe it's the 11th time i got

[0:55:42] Voice 6: my date wrong but yeah yeah yeah okay

[0:55:48] Voice 11: any any question i'll just add that the the uh well i

[0:55:55] Voice 11: think you all saw the letter related to the volunteer to get out um so uh sometime in the

[0:56:03] Voice 11: last 10 days i'm not sure exactly i've lost track of when

[0:56:06] Voice 6: things happened and

[0:56:07] Voice 11: if there's

[0:56:08] Voice 11: no other questions we'll just take this as information for information about where we're

[0:56:12] Voice 11: at in our decision-making process uh and the next thing we have on our agenda is that is

[0:56:18] Voice 11: is a delegation uh that was requested from the main island housing society and they have

[0:56:23] Voice 11: uh elena is it i don't know if it's pronounced eleni or eleni

[0:56:27] Voice 1: eleni

[0:56:28] Voice 11: eleni oh okay now did we

[0:56:31] Voice 11: ever figure out if we can project well

[0:56:33] Voice 6: i'm not sure that we will be able to also because of

[0:56:35] Voice 6: the echo effect because i think you need to keep that going and then if we open up another one

[0:56:42] Voice 11: right right so eleni can you just speak and make sure we can hear you

[0:56:48] Voice 4: yeah and i can share my screen and it'll it should show up at least for the zoom viewers

[0:56:56] Voice 11: yes i'm just worried about the fact that nobody in the in the in the hall can actually see what

[0:57:01] Voice 11: you're going to say i'm actually tempted to um i

[0:57:06] Voice 6: do actually have it up i'm thinking that this

[0:57:09] Voice 6: was going to be the situation i have my computer right

[0:57:12] Voice 11: so why don't we um could you launch your uh

[0:57:17] Voice 11: your share your screen and uh let's see if it comes up i'm not sure if it will come up because

[0:57:24] Voice 11: i'm not following the zoom meeting i have the broadcast meeting in front of me um does anybody

[0:57:30] Voice 11: you haven't get the

[0:57:31] Voice 11: information you

[0:57:32] Voice 6: can watch it if you go onto the you go to the link on the

[0:57:36] Voice 6: website you get to watch the video okay

[0:57:40] Voice 11: so just a second

[0:57:42] Voice 6: let

[0:57:44] Voice 11: me let's just take a moment to see

[0:57:46] Voice 11: if we can get some of these uh

[0:57:47] Voice 1: online but

[0:57:50] Voice 11: and then we can all turn our computers maybe watch it

[0:58:31] Voice 11: together

[0:58:32] Voice 11: broadcast it's about a 40 second delay from the zoom meeting um and

[0:58:41] Voice 11: uh and i when i join the zoom meeting because someone has to let me in

[0:58:51] Voice 11: uh i just don't want to screw everything up um

[0:58:57] Voice 4: the the presentation is really just um

[0:59:01] Voice 4: to support like i think most of it should be pretty easy to understand without being able

[0:59:06] Voice 4: to see it so if it's hard to get it coordinated for the for the actual in-person meeting then i

[0:59:12] Voice 4: think it should be okay we

[0:59:17] Voice 6: have a screen going here we have a screen here it's me

[0:59:26] Voice 6: they

[0:59:26] Voice 11: have a screen too you can all see okay then i'll go sit back not try and fix everything

[0:59:42] Voice 6: can't do it i

[0:59:48] Voice 11: don't know turn

[0:59:49] Voice 6: this sound off probably right because it'll well

[0:59:51] Voice 11: it should be

[0:59:52] Voice 11: coming out of this uh the uh speaker that's on the camera can you speak again eleni yeah

[0:59:58] Voice 4: can you hear

[0:59:59] Voice 4: Can you hear me?

[1:00:00] Voice 11: it is yeah go ahead okay

[1:00:03] Voice 4: go ahead okay thank

[1:00:05] Voice 11: you welcome welcome yes

[1:00:08] Voice 4: okay thank you uh chair

[1:00:10] Voice 4: rogers and trustees um my name is elaine gibson and i work for a company called wiser projects

[1:00:16] Voice 4: um we're planners and development consultants and we're working with the main island

[1:00:21] Voice 4: housing society um for their project proposed for 375 village bay road um and so today i just

[1:00:29] Voice 4: wanted to give a really broad project update about what we've been working on in the background and

[1:00:34] Voice 4: then also um just provide an overview of some of the funding and affordable housing context that

[1:00:39] Voice 4: we're looking at in bc and on the islands right now so that everybody has a better understanding

[1:00:44] Voice 4: of of what's happening what the options are and how that relates to affordability on main island

[1:00:52] Voice 4: so just really quickly because um we're hoping to have more updates at the next ltc meeting but

[1:00:57] Voice 4: but these are the things that we've been working on

[1:01:00] Voice 4: over the winter.

[1:01:02] Voice 4: So we've engaged some civil consultants

[1:01:04] Voice 4: and have been working on a driveway layout design,

[1:01:08] Voice 4: which is altered slightly than previous site plans

[1:01:11] Voice 4: that you've probably seen.

[1:01:12] Voice 4: And we're just trying to balance

[1:01:13] Voice 4: sort of the different constraints of the site,

[1:01:16] Voice 4: which include the steep slope coming off of Village Bay Road,

[1:01:20] Voice 4: ensuring that it's not infringing

[1:01:22] Voice 4: or getting too close to neighboring properties,

[1:01:24] Voice 4: and also the location of the septic field.

[1:01:26] Voice 4: so we're working to try and optimize that right now we've completed a

[1:01:31] Voice 4: groundwater level monitoring report to just ensure that the the well just to

[1:01:37] Voice 4: gather data on the well and we've had a groundwater specialist provide a report

[1:01:40] Voice 4: so that should be coming to staff in the LTC soon we're also in the midst of a

[1:01:47] Voice 4: water management plan prepared by consultants which really looks at water

[1:01:53] Voice 4: water levels, expected water license data and looking at how this development will be

[1:02:00] Voice 4: able to manage water appropriately and ensure that it's managed in a sustainable way.

[1:02:06] Voice 4: So that's where we're midway through that process and again we should have that to staff

[1:02:12] Voice 4: sort of in the next few weeks which we hope would be included in the next LTC meeting.

[1:02:17] Voice 4: And then we've also been exploring funding and financing options for the project and

[1:02:21] Voice 4: and i'll get a little bit more into that in a couple slides here so before i go any further

[1:02:28] Voice 4: i just want to provide a bit of a context for the housing market and the affordable housing

[1:02:33] Voice 4: market as well just sort of set the stage for what we're looking at right now as we all know

[1:02:40] Voice 4: the housing crisis has reached new highs recently in the assessments that were released earlier this

[1:02:45] Voice 4: year it showed that gulf island home prices had been had increased by over 35 percent over the

[1:02:51] Voice 4: the past year, which is extremely substantial. This application was submitted in 2020 and the

[1:02:59] Voice 4: cost of construction has increased substantially since then and remains volatile. While we're

[1:03:05] Voice 4: still experiencing the impacts of COVID on construction prices and supply chains, other

[1:03:10] Voice 4: global events happening in Europe are having an impact as well. So it makes it hard to forecast

[1:03:16] Voice 4: the financials of these projects and it also just illustrates that securing funding and building as

[1:03:23] Voice 4: soon as possible are really important for keeping the rental prices affordable for these projects

[1:03:29] Voice 4: and linked to that as well is interest rates have a huge impact on affordable housing projects

[1:03:34] Voice 4: and again interest rates it's unknown what they're going to be doing in the future

[1:03:38] Voice 4: they remain fairly low at the moment and so it's just in the best interest of building

[1:03:44] Voice 4: affordable housing to do so as quickly as possible so those are a few of the

[1:03:49] Voice 4: things that we're dealing with as we're planning this project and I just wanted

[1:03:54] Voice 4: to again before I get too deeply into the specifics of the funding and

[1:03:58] Voice 4: financing that we're looking at just pause and look at the housing continuum

[1:04:01] Voice 4: here I'm sure some folks here may have seen this in the past government

[1:04:07] Voice 4: documents often reference this so it just lays out the different types of

[1:04:11] Voice 4: housing in terms of affordability and tenureship um and when you when you say the word affordable

[1:04:18] Voice 4: housing it can mean a lot of different things to different people there's no one agreed upon

[1:04:23] Voice 4: definition so this continuum helps conceptualize that a little bit so it ranges from um at the

[1:04:30] Voice 4: lowest end emergency shelters and transitional housing which are generally completely government

[1:04:35] Voice 4: subsidized and they they offer it's sort of that urgent shelter for people who

[1:04:42] Voice 4: otherwise would have no shelter whatsoever and then at the top end is own

[1:04:48] Voice 4: home ownership of single detached homes which are the most expensive type of

[1:04:52] Voice 4: housing typology and so when we're talking about affordable housing in the

[1:04:57] Voice 4: terms of main island and the main island housing society we're looking somewhere

[1:05:02] Voice 4: somewhere in the middle there in the affordable and below market realm.

[1:05:05] Voice 4: So this project would be considered either affordable or below market rental.

[1:05:13] Voice 4: But yeah, it would it would land in that category.

[1:05:19] Voice 4: And because all of the units would be below market,

[1:05:23] Voice 4: unlike purpose built market rental, which are secured rental units,

[1:05:27] Voice 4: but are not secured as affordable. So that gives you a little idea of

[1:05:31] Voice 4: what these units, what kind of population we're targeting. And as you can see at the bottom there,

[1:05:37] Voice 4: this is a diagram that I took from City of Victoria, the level of government assistant

[1:05:41] Voice 4: decreases as the housing types move from affordable into market housing. And so affordable

[1:05:49] Voice 4: projects really require some level of government assistance, such as cheap financing or capital

[1:05:56] Voice 4: injections to make these projects work so I'm gonna go through a couple of the

[1:06:03] Voice 4: funding options that this project and many other projects consider when moving

[1:06:08] Voice 4: forward and the first may be familiar to quite a few of you so that's the BC

[1:06:12] Voice 4: housing community housing fund this is a funding call announced by BC housing

[1:06:19] Voice 4: several years ago and it's got a total of 1.9 billion dollars slated to be

[1:06:24] Voice 4: spent over 10 years on they estimate 14 000 housing units the last call was closed in january 2021

[1:06:33] Voice 4: and that call was highly competitive and generally oversubscribed there was a lot more applications

[1:06:41] Voice 4: than funds available but it is a really it's still a very viable option for affordable housing

[1:06:48] Voice 4: projects and this funding call has a prescriptive rental structure for

[1:06:54] Voice 4: projects to be eligible so they require projects to split their units into three

[1:07:00] Voice 4: broad categories so 20% of the units have to be shelter rate units which

[1:07:06] Voice 4: currently for a one-bedroom is $375 a month 30% of units were expected to be

[1:07:12] Voice 4: affordable market units so these would generally be just below market units set

[1:07:18] Voice 4: usually at 10% below whatever the market rate is. And then 50% of the units would be rent geared to

[1:07:25] Voice 4: income units where eligibility to reside in one of those units would be limited by income. And the

[1:07:33] Voice 4: rent that you pay would be no more than 30% of your income. So that's what it means by rent

[1:07:40] Voice 4: geared to income. So there's no current funding call through this stream right now. The next one

[1:07:47] Voice 4: is expected either later this year or 2023 they're very vague right now about when to expect that

[1:07:53] Voice 4: um and it's important to note that um while the last funding call used that 20 30 50 rental

[1:07:59] Voice 4: structure it's possible that this expectation could change in the next one um the the calls

[1:08:05] Voice 4: have varied slightly there's been two so far and they've varied slightly so um it could be they

[1:08:10] Voice 4: could ask for something different in the next one so there are other options if bc housing um if the

[1:08:18] Voice 4: funding call doesn't happen for a while or if projects are not successful, CMHC is sort of the

[1:08:24] Voice 4: other big funder in the affordable housing game, primarily through the CMHC co-investment stream.

[1:08:30] Voice 4: What that means is they'll come forward with either funding or financing if there's another

[1:08:35] Voice 4: funder at the table, and in Maine Island's case, the land contribution, the donation

[1:08:42] Voice 4: that's on the table for MIHS makes them eligible for this funding stream.

[1:08:46] Voice 4: So through this, projects can either get a repayable loan, so just a loan that covers up to 95% of project costs that would end up as a mortgage that the society would pay off over years.

[1:08:59] Voice 4: Or you can apply instead for a forgivable loan, so essentially just a grant cash that they'll give you with no expectation to repay.

[1:09:07] Voice 4: And this can cover up to 15% of the project costs. So depending on what other funders are at the table, one or the other might be more desirable.

[1:09:14] Voice 4: their minimum affordability that they require instead of having a prescriptive rental structure

[1:09:20] Voice 4: like BC housing they use sort of a broader one across the project so they require that 30% of

[1:09:28] Voice 4: the units must be rented at 80% of the median market rent which is based on data that they

[1:09:35] Voice 4: provide or less and the average affordability across the project must be 80% of the median

[1:09:42] Voice 4: market rent so just as an example if a unit was the median market rent for one

[1:09:48] Voice 4: bedroom units in the region was $1,000 80% of that would be $800 so if there

[1:09:55] Voice 4: was 10 one-bedroom units on average those units would have to be rented for

[1:10:01] Voice 4: $800 but because it's an average some units may be rented for more than that

[1:10:06] Voice 4: as long as others are rented for less than that and it balances out however

[1:10:12] Voice 4: projects are more likely to receive funding and will max out the funding

[1:10:16] Voice 4: that they can obtain from CMHC if that level of affordability is increased so

[1:10:22] Voice 4: they do like to fund the more affordable projects and the other key player at the

[1:10:29] Voice 4: table right now in affordable housing is the Federation of Canadian

[1:10:33] Voice 4: municipalities through the green municipal fund and they're seeking to

[1:10:37] Voice 4: to fund non-profit societies to build sustainable affordable housing and the

[1:10:43] Voice 4: ultimate target of that is to build net zero ready buildings and so that just

[1:10:49] Voice 4: means that net zero again there's no universal definition of this but it's a

[1:10:54] Voice 4: really really highly energy efficient buildings I'm sure some folks have heard

[1:10:58] Voice 4: of passive house or other sort of green building standards any of those

[1:11:02] Voice 4: strategies and design considerations can be used to achieve net zero ready so there's funding

[1:11:09] Voice 4: available first to study the feasibility of building a project to net zero ready so to do

[1:11:16] Voice 4: some of the design work and energy modeling and then if it looks like a project can reach net

[1:11:21] Voice 4: zero ready then there's capital funding available which covers up to 20% of the total project costs

[1:11:26] Voice 4: and this contribution is split between a 50% loan and 50% grant and I will note

[1:11:34] Voice 4: that MIHS has received funding from FCM through a planning grant so an early

[1:11:41] Voice 4: stage sort of feasibility grant and they've also received funding from CMHC

[1:11:45] Voice 4: for through their seed funding program which again is sort of an early stage

[1:11:49] Voice 4: project funding stream so where does that bring us for the affordability of

[1:11:55] Voice 4: 375 village bay road just going back to previous discussions in 2020 and 2021 with the ltc there

[1:12:06] Voice 4: have been housing agreement drafts brought forward that have used the bc housing chf rental structure

[1:12:12] Voice 4: so that 2030 50 split that has been sort of enshrined in one of the draft housing agreements

[1:12:19] Voice 4: but there's pretty significant risk in having this level of prescriptive rental structure in

[1:12:24] Voice 4: a housing agreement even housing funders don't like to see sort of that level of detail in the

[1:12:30] Voice 4: housing agreements including bc housing so something a bit more flexible and broad

[1:12:38] Voice 4: sets up the project better in the eyes of of those funders that i've covered and at the moment

[1:12:45] Voice 4: mihs is seeking all the funding options available those three funders that i went over all of those

[1:12:52] Voice 4: funding calls are stackable so a project could receive funding from each of those

[1:12:57] Voice 4: entities through those funding programs and so it's important that a housing

[1:13:01] Voice 4: agreement allows a project to fit into each of those boxes so what we're doing

[1:13:07] Voice 4: right now is we're exploring different scenarios with different funding

[1:13:11] Voice 4: partners and and with that also looking at language that would ensure

[1:13:16] Voice 4: affordability in the housing agreement but provides enough flexibility to

[1:13:20] Voice 4: position the project for any funding call so ultimately mihs is committed to maximizing the

[1:13:29] Voice 4: affordability of the project and securing a rezoning will really help strengthen funding

[1:13:34] Voice 4: applications a secured rezoning is seen as a big check mark in the eyes of funders because it

[1:13:40] Voice 4: reduces some of that risk in their eyes and right now mihs is working with staff to ensure that

[1:13:46] Voice 4: regardless of the project funder the site is developed responsibly and that's where that work

[1:13:51] Voice 4: that i covered in the first few slides comes from um we're just trying to uh make sure the

[1:13:57] Voice 4: project is is done in a responsible manner um and you know meeting all the requirements of the

[1:14:02] Voice 4: islands trust so that's all i have for a presentation um and i'm happy to answer any

[1:14:08] Voice 4: questions i know that's a lot of information about the funders so i'm happy to answer any questions

[1:14:13] Voice 4: if there's um you know any clarity that's needed okay

[1:14:19] Voice 11: so thank you that's an update in the

[1:14:21] Voice 11: delegation um and there is in your in the agenda package a three or four page letter that outlines

[1:14:29] Voice 11: much of the material that you just outlined for us we just took this up as you well just for

[1:14:35] Voice 11: anybody here we just took this application out of abeyance and our last meeting and i'm guessing

[1:14:40] Voice 11: it'll probably be we don't have a meeting in april but it may i think that's what they refer to

[1:14:45] Voice 11: it coming back again but do either of the trustees have questions for the delegate

[1:14:49] Voice 3: no

[1:14:51] Voice 11: no okay so um

[1:14:54] Voice 11: they'll be uh thank you for the presentation there'll be uh lots of opportunity for engagement

[1:14:59] Voice 11: as always we encourage you to meet with your neighbors and uh and uh make everybody aware

[1:15:06] Voice 11: where your plans are at etc as you go forward um and i guess we'll see and we did pass a couple

[1:15:13] Voice 11: of resolutions you're asking and i'm guessing that goes to the water management plan and and

[1:15:18] Voice 11: run off and issues of that nature that we passed a couple of motions at the last meeting asking

[1:15:23] Voice 11: for further information uh that can all be found in the in the minutes um which we just

[1:15:29] Voice 11: admit that we're in this package so you can see them there uh and you can see that and we we

[1:15:35] Voice 11: haven't actually received formally the apc report but all that information will probably be with us

[1:15:41] Voice 11: and what we get

[1:15:42] Voice 11: to make so if there's nothing else rather trustees will move on thanks thanks

[1:15:47] Voice 11: elena thanks a lot nice to see you again i see you on galliano as well so um for

[1:15:53] Voice 4: sure good to

[1:15:55] Voice 4: see you and thank you i appreciate it thanks

[1:15:58] Voice 11: for the update um so that thanks that delegation we're

[1:16:04] Voice 11: going to move on in the agenda then to i thank you to everybody for getting your own electronic

[1:16:10] Voice 11: electronic devices up so one of these days we know that's a gap um as not having a a projector system

[1:16:18] Voice 11: uh we're working on it um budgeting is always a challenging issue to get the right electronics

[1:16:26] Voice 11: in the way the

[1:16:28] Voice 11: next item on the agenda is some correspondence that we've received

[1:16:31] Voice 11: uh the first piece of correspondence is from the the bc electoral uh commission and um regardless

[1:16:39] Voice 11: Regardless of the fact that it's, I don't know why the copy that was sent to Councillor Sue Ellen Fast is the one that ended up in the package.

[1:16:46] Voice 11: But I know the executive committee decided to send it out to all the LTCs because that was a good way to make it public so that people could see that this was going on.

[1:16:55] Voice 11: And if anybody wished to, there are people that are very interested in this kind of work.

[1:17:00] Voice 11: And if you're interested in what they're doing in terms of the electoral boundaries description.

[1:17:05] Voice 11: So we just put it in the package in terms of in order to bring it to the public's attention

[1:17:12] Voice 11: in case you're interested in the amendments they're doing to the electoral balance.

[1:17:17] Voice 11: The second piece of correspondence, page 20, is a little more direct about our LTC.

[1:17:25] Voice 11: Is it pronounced HOME?

[1:17:27] Voice 11: Is that how you pronounce it?

[1:17:28] Voice 11: H-O-M.

[1:17:29] Voice 11: H-O-M.

[1:17:30] Voice 11: em mr holmes has been writing us uh and uh regarding um a secondary suite issue and i

[1:17:38] Voice 11: think this is the issue you referred to sir um is that um and i don't know what trustees

[1:17:44] Voice 11: if you have any indication that you'd like to do anything with it i sort of expected mr home

[1:17:48] Voice 11: to be here today but he's not um

[1:17:50] Voice 6: i i think that we i think dave made it clear in an email that

[1:17:56] really he needs to have a conversation with his water district i spoke to him and said that

[1:18:01] certainly our work

[1:18:02] Voice 6: program when we finally finish all the work right now is to go back to the

[1:18:07] Voice 6: individual water districts and have another consultation about secondary suites when we

[1:18:12] Voice 6: originally had that my question brian's not here now that conversation certainly the trust

[1:18:17] Voice 6: committee and the crd building inspector encouraged all water districts to legalize secondary suites

[1:18:24] Voice 6: so that they get built properly but that's basically where we're at we don't have much

[1:18:29] Voice 6: more to tell him if he's bought a piece of property contingent on doing something that

[1:18:34] Voice 6: his property is unable to do that's really not our responsibility yeah he certainly knew before

[1:18:40] Voice 6: he finally signed the final okay now

[1:18:43] Voice 11: we were hearing from him before he purchased i i just

[1:18:46] Voice 11: didn't know if there was any uh indication i he was indicating he would like us to add it to our

[1:18:52] Voice 11: project and i i gather that's not where we're headed it's a bigger it's a bigger piece that

[1:18:59] Voice 11: would

[1:18:59] Voice 6: be an option would be to add it to your projects list that would be the option here i

[1:19:03] Voice 6: think because

[1:19:05] Trustee Maude: i think we want it on the radar but but you said should we have it formally on

[1:19:12] Trustee Maude: the radar

[1:19:12] Voice 11: or informally on the radar well i think it's all went better formally on the radar because

[1:19:17] Voice 11: that radar will guide where the next set of trustees are if it's not happens to be the

[1:19:23] Voice 11: three of us it might be it might be so it's always better to put it on your project list because then

[1:19:28] Voice 11: it's formally on your

[1:19:29] Voice 11: radar so why don't we deal with it when we get to the projects list

[1:19:32] Voice 11: uh because we always address the projects listening is there anything further related

[1:19:36] Voice 11: to that correspondence so we'll receive it for information and we've had a great discussion

[1:19:41] Voice 11: uh we have a application referrals we have a salt spring island local trust committee referrals or

[1:19:47] Voice 11: uh anything other than the the standard motion that you're in

[1:19:51] Voice 11: go ahead i

[1:19:52] Voice 6: move that uh may not

[1:19:53] Voice 6: local trust community interests are not affected by salt spring island bylaw number 526. i will

[1:19:59] Voice 6: second that okay

[1:20:00] Voice 11: no discussion all in favor so that passes uh let's go to 11.1 and this is where

[1:20:10] Voice 11: where we're going to discuss the flexible housing project

[1:20:15] Voice 11: and the specific recommendation from the staff

[1:20:19] Voice 11: regarding next steps in relation to it.

[1:20:22] Voice 11: Over to you, Planner Chyler.

[1:20:24] Voice 6: Thanks, Mr. Rogers.

[1:20:27] Voice 6: Yeah, so this is the opportunity to,

[1:20:30] Voice 6: well, the by-law draft is about before you

[1:20:38] we're

[1:20:39] Voice 6: first reading if it decides to move in that direction so um I think uh I think we you know

[1:20:45] Voice 6: we've discussed it everybody's

[1:20:48] Voice 12: clear of what it contains um there was a so there's a there's a

[1:20:53] Voice 12: land use bylaw amendment as well as an OCP amendment

[1:20:56] Voice 6: so there were a few things that

[1:20:58] Voice 6: needed to be adjusted in the uh the OCP to allow this uh the uh this type of regulation to go

[1:21:05] Voice 6: forward and uh i did uh i did do a little bit of a blue line version for you um on page 44 and 45

[1:21:12] Voice 6: it just sort of highlights those changes um and i assume you had a chance to have a look at that

[1:21:17] Voice 6: so i mean they're basically just allowing for that additional unit and um um uh just referring to

[1:21:25] Voice 6: the ability to support flexible housing um so that's um that's basically um you know there's

[1:21:35] Voice 6: the the opportunity to um move those books uh forward for first reading i've attached the

[1:21:40] Voice 6: island stress policy statement directives and indicated that this is in line with um with that

[1:21:48] Voice 6: policy statement um and then uh you can um also request staff to schedule a public hearing now

[1:21:56] Voice 6: there is an option um because we have had a lot of community information meetings on that um you

[1:22:01] Voice 6: necessarily have another one there's an option to have one um if you'd like to so i think we've had

[1:22:09] Voice 6: ample community consultation i'm ready to move the first motion well

[1:22:14] Voice 11: can i just i have one

[1:22:17] Voice 11: technical quite a technical question do you have any questions but um it's just some language that

[1:22:24] Voice 11: you use uh it's on page 46 2.4 referencing i went back and i read the lub to sort of understand what

[1:22:37] Voice 11: each changes were going to do and it says uh secondary suites are meant by inserting in

[1:22:43] Voice 11: areas outside the schedule shaded area in schedules e which i understand what that's about

[1:22:48] Voice 11: but it says following constructed but constructed is used twice in that section i didn't i didn't

[1:22:54] Voice 11: know if you intended it to be there after each of the constructed or if it was one or the other if

[1:23:00] Voice 11: you know what i mean yeah

[1:23:02] Voice 6: i'll have to have another look

[1:23:03] Voice 11: at that well i think we should

[1:23:06] Voice 11: know that before we leave and i had it on my computer and i of course lost it i i

[1:23:11] Voice 6: had to see

[1:23:15] Voice 11: um if we get it and then we'll i just

[1:23:17] Voice 6: didn't know if you were

[1:23:18] Voice 11: meaning to put it in twice

[1:23:20] Voice 11: twice, which made sense or if it was only after the one section.

[1:23:27] Voice 11: Let's just

[1:23:28] Voice 3: find it and then yeah, no, I couldn't find anything about this 3

[1:24:22] Voice 5: .13 reads

[1:24:30] Voice 3: 3.1 3

[1:24:37] Voice 6: .133.

[1:24:42] Voice 6: so it um so the statement in areas outside the shaded area outside the faded area schedule e

[1:24:51] Voice 6: would be following the word constructed

[1:24:53] Voice 11: right but that but i as i said 3.13 i think it uses

[1:24:59] Voice 11: the word constructed twice

[1:25:00] Voice 6: oh i see right yeah and

[1:25:03] Voice 11: i just wanted to get clear in my head is if

[1:25:05] Voice 11: the intention is um it says on parcels less than four acres the secondary should not be

[1:25:13] Voice 11: put it on the parcel if the cottage has been constructed and then it says a cottage don't be

[1:25:17] Voice 11: made on a parcel the secondary street has been constructive so is it intended you're going to

[1:25:22] Voice 11: put that language after both times that constructed is used they might make might make sense that it

[1:25:31] Voice 11: does yes yeah okay it is

[1:25:33] Voice 12: so that okay we could

[1:25:34] Voice 12: we could um i can make that change yeah

[1:25:37] Voice 11: okay so it

[1:25:38] Voice 11: would it would read following where

[1:25:42] Voice 6: the

[1:25:43] Voice 11: word constructed is used or words

[1:25:46] Voice 11: to that so it would

[1:25:47] Voice 6: read secondary streets uh secondary is

[1:25:56] Voice 11: amended by inserting in areas outside the shaded area

[1:25:59] Voice 11: in schedule e that's in quotation following the

[1:26:04] Voice 12: word before the colon and then and then

[1:26:06] Voice 6: and

[1:26:06] Voice 12: by inserting again,

[1:26:10] Voice 12: the statement in areas

[1:26:12] Voice 6: outside the shaded area

[1:26:13] Voice 6: and following constructed, constructed.

[1:26:16] Voice 6: So we'd be including in that 2.4

[1:26:20] Voice 6: by inserting the

[1:26:23] Voice 12: statement in areas outside the shaded area

[1:26:26] Voice 12: in Schedule E, following the word-

[1:26:29] Voice 11: Constructed, where were you?

[1:26:31] Voice 6: Constructed where, yeah.

[1:26:37] Voice 6: following the word constructed in both instances.

[1:26:40] Voice 6: In

[1:26:40] Voice 11: both instances. What about that?

[1:26:42] Voice 11: Why don't we just say,

[1:26:43] Voice 11: we'll amend 2.4 read following the word constructed

[1:26:47] Voice 11: in both instances.

[1:26:49] Voice 11: Okay.

[1:26:50] Voice 11: Constructed

[1:26:51] Voice 6: in both instances.

[1:26:52] Voice 6: Yeah.

[1:26:53] Voice 11: So I raised it.

[1:26:55] Voice 11: So I'll just, I'll make that amendment motion

[1:26:57] Voice 11: to amend 2.4 of bylaw 184.

[1:27:01] Voice 11: Which says?

[1:27:03] Voice 11: Which says subsection 3.133,

[1:27:07] Voice 11: secondary suites is amended by insert inserting in areas outside shaded area in schedule e following

[1:27:14] Voice 11: both instances of the word construction okay so we're amending them that they're off bylaw

[1:27:24] Voice 11: okay that's been seconded and i'll call the vote on that so that passes now we can go to and you

[1:27:31] Voice 11: just now have to say we're amended as

[1:27:33] Voice 11: amended okay

[1:27:34] Voice 6: so i moved that the main local trust committee

[1:27:37] Voice 6: no we didn't

[1:27:49] Voice 11: amend the ocp this is the language but it's the next one

[1:27:53] Voice 11: okay second okay so is there any discussion that either of you wishes a big moment

[1:28:01] Voice 11: okay all in favor yeah i know it's always a second motion uh

[1:28:09] Voice 6: that the main island local

[1:28:10] Voice 6: trust committee bylaw 184 cited as main island land use bylaw number 146 2008 amendment number

[1:28:17] Voice 6: 2 2021 be read or as amended be ready for the first time okay

[1:28:23] Voice 11: any discussion all in favor

[1:28:25] Voice 11: that passes unanimously move

[1:28:27] Voice 6: that the main island local trust committee has reviewed the island's

[1:28:30] Voice 6: trust policy statement directives only checklist thank goodness is still a short one and determined

[1:28:35] Voice 6: that bylaw number 184 and 189 cited as main island land use bylaw number 146 2008 number 2

[1:28:45] Voice 6: 2021 and main island official community plan bylaw number 144 2007 amendment number 1 2022

[1:28:53] Voice 6: 22 are not point contrary to or invariance with the island's trust policy okay

[1:28:59] Voice 11: any discussion with

[1:29:01] Voice 11: that no all in favor that passes unanimously and

[1:29:04] Voice 6: uh um i'd be moved that the mainland local trust

[1:29:08] Voice 6: committee requests staff to schedule a public hearing for bylaws number 184 and 189. okay

[1:29:16] Okay, any discussion?

[1:29:17] Voice 3: Oh, go ahead.

[1:29:18] Voice 3: Just

[1:29:18] Voice 6: a question motion three,

[1:29:20] Voice 7: after it says, bylaw number

[1:29:23] Voice 7: 146 2008. Do you have to insert as amended as well?

[1:29:29] Voice 11: After 184? Yeah. Each time we do 184. It's as it should have

[1:29:34] Voice 11: been.

[1:29:35] Voice 6: Well, it's 146. That was amended. It was the land use

[1:29:40] Voice 6: bylaw to that was amended. And then it cites land use

[1:29:45] Voice 6: bylaw number 146 in motion three and should that also include as amended if

[1:29:54] Voice 7: that makes sense

[1:29:57] Voice 11: now 146 is the core

[1:30:00] Voice 7: but

[1:30:00] Voice 11: 184 is the bylaw of giving first reading to racial and

[1:30:04] Voice 6: that's what we so okay so 146 is the

[1:30:08] Voice 11: core battle uh 184 is the one we're passing so every time you see 184 it's acid okay

[1:30:15] Voice 6: so

[1:30:16] Voice 11: so we

[1:30:17] Voice 11: got a motion and i think that got seconded over here any discussion related to that all in favor

[1:30:22] Voice 11: Thanks, sir. I

[1:30:23] Voice 6: just didn't say that I don't think we've had three,

[1:30:28] Voice 6: because this is a public hearing that's on the public ask questions and when it goes.

[1:30:37] Voice 11: So that anything further we need related to that plan or channel.

[1:30:42] Voice 11: Anything further for either trustee. Okay, so we're getting close.

[1:30:48] Voice 11: now let's go to the next item on the agenda which does anybody it's uh 2 30 anybody need a brief

[1:30:56] Voice 11: break i could actually use five minutes we could just sort of stand down for five minutes and

[1:31:00] Voice 11: we'll come back at 2 35 and carry on with the next item which is the lub minor amendments

[1:31:14] Voice 3: it's uh i haven't

[1:38:59] Voice 11: seen it live

[1:39:06] Voice 11: okay so we'll get started now

[1:39:10] Voice 11: thank you for uh

[1:39:12] Voice 11: anyone watching online and uh and the recording now that i remember to get

[1:39:19] Voice 11: the recording the first 20 minutes i apologize to anybody watching the recording i forgot to hit

[1:39:23] Voice 11: record for the first 20 minutes but um that was before any of the uh main discussion started so

[1:39:31] Voice 11: we should be okay uh so we're now we're resuming the agenda and we're now at uh 11.2 on the agenda

[1:39:41] Voice 11: which is page 54, which is the LCP and LUB minor amendments project.

[1:39:48] Voice 11: And so, again, I'll turn to Planner Chadwick.

[1:39:52] Voice 11: Thank you for your work on this and your report, please.

[1:39:56] Voice 11: And then we'll have a discussion.

[1:39:58] Voice 6: Thanks, Chair Rogers.

[1:40:00] Voice 6: Again, we've got a bylaw here that, as requested by the LTC,

[1:40:06] Voice 6: see is here in draft form for first reading and so we've got the similar resolutions related to

[1:40:17] first reading and actually I would note that yeah in this case the resolution said there

[1:40:29] is an opportunity to schedule

[1:40:31] Voice 6: a CIM as well and the policy statement has been included.

[1:40:38] Voice 6: I've added another recommendation here that, and I'll go through each one of the, of the

[1:40:45] Voice 6: amendments, I know that there's some of them, but the other, the other recommendation that

[1:40:52] Voice 6: I have here is related to the First Nations acknowledgement.

[1:40:57] Voice 6: So last meeting, I had come back with recommendations from our senior intergovernmental policy advisor

[1:41:05] Voice 6: who was wanting to engage in a much more detailed process with the nations, and in her perspective it was more of a collaborative approach, which would be a wonderful thing to do at some point.

[1:41:21] Voice 6: One of the challenges is that there's still a lot of work to be done with relationship building with the main island and the nations.

[1:41:32] Voice 6: And so, while that's something that staff would encourage the OCP to continue to think

[1:41:39] Voice 6: about and to have as a project,

[1:41:42] Voice 12: looking at the, when I had another look through the OCP,

[1:41:47] Voice 12: I noted that there is some very antiquated and

[1:41:51] Voice 6: potentially harmful language in the OCP

[1:41:55] Voice 6: that relates to first nations and i'm at this point recommending that that um that that staff

[1:42:03] Voice 6: be um supported to move forward to develop a broad statement of um of acknowledgement basically

[1:42:10] Voice 6: acknowledging uh first nations territory um and the the commitment to um to collaboration

[1:42:19] Voice 6: So, in terms of process around that, the recommended process is that a statement be put out for

[1:42:32] Voice 6: review by nations, and then be brought back to the LTC for their support and approval.

[1:42:41] So basically what I'm, what I'm recommending the LTC do at this point in time is just provide staff with support to move forward with putting forward a draft statement of acknowledgement for First Nations.

[1:43:02] um so we currently have sort of the broader project on the projects list for uh for for

[1:43:10] further work and um i think that this at this time is is a good way to go get the broad statement

[1:43:18] out there um also because of our our senior policy advisor is moving on so um that that

[1:43:26] larger process will take

[1:43:27] Voice 6: longer um so that's sort of where i am i'm open to questions you might have

[1:43:35] Voice 6: about that approach so

[1:43:36] Voice 11: would you would you like to sort of take these issues one at a time yeah

[1:43:40] Voice 11: so trustees comments on the recommendation from having looked at the ocp as sort of i get where

[1:43:47] Voice 11: you're coming from

[1:43:47] Trustee Maude: personally as you know at last meeting it's very uncomfortable sort of

[1:43:52] Trustee Maude: deferring this and i'm very pleased with it with these recommendations but i think

[1:43:57] Trustee Maude: this is what has to be done and hopefully we can do it in an expedient manner

[1:44:02] Voice 6: okay so just moving on with respect to the ocp minutes um there are two there are two small uh

[1:44:09] Voice 6: amendments one one is the removal of the parks master plan

[1:44:12] Voice 12: um it's fairly straightforward and

[1:44:15] Voice 12: And then the other one is a change in the designation map

[1:44:20] Voice 6: to support the new zoning for the thrift store property.

[1:44:23] Voice 6: So those are very straightforward.

[1:44:24] Voice 6: Are there any questions related to that?

[1:44:26] Voice 6: Nope.

[1:44:28] Voice 6: So getting into the land use by-law amendments.

[1:44:31] Voice 6: So first on the list here is the brewery rezoning.

[1:44:35] Voice 12: And I know at the last meeting,

[1:44:37] the trustees were very interested in ensuring

[1:44:40] that the interests of

[1:44:43] Voice 6: the property owners were considered

[1:44:46] Voice 6: and if there were any other things to consider.

[1:44:49] Voice 6: I did have a discussion with them

[1:44:52] Voice 6: and an additional

[1:44:53] Voice 12: discussion with them

[1:44:54] Voice 12: and they were indicated that they're interested

[1:44:57] Voice 6: in increasing the number of seats.

[1:44:59] Voice 6: So in this, well, basically they'd identified

[1:45:02] Voice 6: that they could create two more parking spots

[1:45:04] Voice 6: which would increase the amount of seats

[1:45:08] that they'd be permitted to an additional six.

[1:45:11] So in the land use by-law,

[1:45:13] Voice 12: they'd be allowed three

[1:45:15] Voice 6: seats per parking

[1:45:16] Voice 12: spot.

[1:45:17] Voice 12: And

[1:45:17] Voice 6: I have visited the property

[1:45:20] Voice 12: a few times

[1:45:20] Voice 12: and I'm familiar with the area

[1:45:23] Voice 12: that they would be able to create those parking spots.

[1:45:25] Voice 12: So there's a slight change in the land use by-law

[1:45:29] that increases that number that was previously by six.

[1:45:34] So I think it was from 40 to 48 or 40 to 46 seats per minute.

[1:45:43] So essentially, that's

[1:45:45] Voice 6: an attenuational part of it as well.

[1:45:48] Voice 6: So are there any questions related to that?

[1:45:53] Voice 6: The 590 for Fern Hill Road zoning, there were some questions about whether or not it conforms with the OCP.

[1:46:00] Staff did explore that,

[1:46:02] Voice 6: and it's fine.

[1:46:04] Voice 6: even though they talk about two sort of totally different like it doesn't say

[1:46:08] Voice 6: the retail sales it says vehicle repairs inside and in the land use bylaw it speaks about retail

[1:46:14] Voice 6: sales being part of yeah so

[1:46:17] Voice 6: the the ocp does not restrict the retail sale it's actually it's

[1:46:24] Voice 6: curiously specific um the ocp which is like oh so normally we use that specific language

[1:46:30] that's right that's right so it

[1:46:32] Voice 6: doesn't it doesn't restrict uh the mechanics that the bylaw does

[1:46:37] Voice 6: that's right okay all right okay like i know i don't know how to explain it but okay

[1:46:46] Voice 6: i think yeah concern is just the use of that structure right

[1:46:53] Voice 6: destructive residential thank you um okay so the first store zoning there was a question um that

[1:47:04] Voice 6: was raised at the last meeting um about the setbacks and whether um you know we could look

[1:47:09] Voice 6: at just changing the setbacks for that particular zoning which is uh s1 i think it's community use

[1:47:15] Voice 6: um and um basically it um i think it

[1:47:25] Voice 6: would only it would only affect this property uh the next

[1:47:29] Voice 6: store property and essentially this one is legal non-conforming uh so it wouldn't really uh there's

[1:47:39] Voice 6: no reason to do anything related to this building um and and there would be an opportunity to apply

[1:47:45] Voice 6: for a variance should um should there be a need for and we also have the ability to wave

[1:47:54] Voice 6: to waive the fees for such a permit so essentially it doesn't really I think that it could be done on

[1:48:05] an as needed basis

[1:48:06] Voice 6: from a permit like with a permit as opposed to changing the looking at

[1:48:12] Voice 6: changing the setbacks that's sort of where staff staff's opinion is okay

[1:48:20] Voice 9: um

[1:48:21] Voice 6: okay so the next one

[1:48:26] Voice 6: on the list here is uh felix jack park so um i know everybody's been referring to it as

[1:48:32] Voice 6: passive park zoning and essentially um you know a passive park is is something that can be out

[1:48:38] Voice 6: like sort of designated within any zoning this what has been done in what has been recommended

[1:48:45] Voice 6: by staff in this case is that this this already has part from zoning so what's been put forward

[1:48:50] Voice 6: to you is a specific site specific um zoning that basically um you know it basically um restricts

[1:48:59] Voice 6: any further development to essentially what's there now statue and picnic tables um i mean

[1:49:06] Voice 6: there's opportunity you know more specific uh around how many tables or what have you or if

[1:49:13] Voice 6: you want to add anything else allowed or is that you know this this would be the time to have that

[1:49:17] Voice 6: discussion but

[1:49:18] Voice 6: basically um that was that that's what's there is basically intending to just

[1:49:23] Voice 6: restrict it to what what currently exists okay so first off i will apologize in terms of the

[1:49:31] Voice 6: park commission because i've spent many hours with johnny at the park ceremonies as well as

[1:49:37] Voice 6: private meetings again and so when we have all these bylaw changes it was he had emailed us and

[1:49:43] Voice 6: so it went on to our list of minor what we consider minor bylaw changes so we didn't

[1:49:48] Voice 6: formally go out and ask parks or tell parks what we were doing so certainly that was probably

[1:49:54] Voice 6: incorrect for us not to do that and i would apologize for having not done that um nonetheless

[1:50:00] Voice 6: having said that um part of the reason it ended up on our agenda is because i can see clearly

[1:50:06] Voice 6: that this particular piece of park does not belong in the community recreation zone

[1:50:12] Voice 6: This is not a place that should have more structures.

[1:50:16] Voice 6: And so I'm just going to read from our OCP.

[1:50:19] Voice 6: One of the objectives, and I drafted this OCP, one of our objectives is to support education,

[1:50:26] Voice 6: and now I should say reconciliation, education, aesthetics, recreation, yes, and spiritual

[1:50:32] Voice 6: values.

[1:50:33] Voice 6: And so this park has evolved.

[1:50:35] Voice 6: So I've seen here in the garden, people put all the work into it, and I don't deny that

[1:50:40] Voice 6: huge amount of work and money was raised but this park has evolved as brian said into something a

[1:50:46] Voice 6: little bit different and so it doesn't fit into the zoning that the other parks would have i also

[1:50:52] Voice 6: want to say that going back to in our land use by law the uses in a community recreational park

[1:50:59] Voice 6: are accessory uses buildings and structures so what a passive park zone specifically does

[1:51:05] Voice 6: is eliminate structures it doesn't mean you're not going to move the grass grass or plant hopefully

[1:51:11] Voice 6: native shrubs doesn't affect the use of the land but what it does say is structures are limited so

[1:51:17] Voice 6: this is not an appropriate place to put any more structures and under the site specifically

[1:51:23] Voice 6: structures that are there are going to be specifically named but the concept here is

[1:51:27] Voice 6: to limit the number of structures and in the future the concept to me of this particular

[1:51:32] Voice 6: department which hopefully the parks commission obviously has plans to do more with this is to

[1:51:38] Voice 6: create this as a little hub for reconciliation and because all of us trustees have spent a lot of time

[1:51:45] Voice 6: in the last three four or five years learning an awful lot about first nations reconciliation

[1:51:51] Voice 6: all sorts of things are going on this is the first really good step for our community to embrace

[1:51:56] Voice 6: so i'm still in support of us as a minor what i call a very minor amendment um but i would say

[1:52:03] Voice 6: pledge i mean we have to call it the emma and phyllis jack part okay that changed and it's

[1:52:11] Voice 6: actually an honoring figure okay honoring figure and uh there's a rock here and there but that's

[1:52:17] Voice 6: that's all natural and my only other question about this would be um ultimately that i know

[1:52:26] Voice 6: that there was a grant applied for to bring back native plants to the garden. Would fences have to

[1:52:32] Voice 6: be specifically mentioned to protect plantings? Because there are trees in there with wire around

[1:52:40] Voice 6: them and fences around them. So what do we do? We don't want to preclude the opportunity to actually

[1:52:45] Voice 6: re-vegetate with native plants, particularly First Nations and medicinal plants. So some

[1:52:52] Voice 6: reference to some sort of fencing um to save it from the fallow deer who live there so i'll leave

[1:53:00] Voice 6: that with you yeah would it be permanent or well now the deer if i don't know oh right

[1:53:10] Voice 6: the concept would be

[1:53:11] Voice 6: of course when you put any kind of new plant in first thing that fallow do

[1:53:16] Voice 6: is yeah because i mean actually the idea

[1:53:18] Voice 6: would hopefully it would be veggie obviously if it's

[1:53:21] Voice 6: a fir tree and there's quite a few in there it will eventually reach the point that you can't

[1:53:25] Voice 6: harm it anymore but it's kind of a gray area so if you could just consider that yeah well i just i

[1:53:30] Voice 6: i just wanted to refer to the definition of structure oh offenses because that that may

[1:53:37] Voice 6: we may be okay because we're relating to

[1:53:39] Voice 12: um buildings or structures

[1:53:41] Voice 6: i know i know you've

[1:53:42] Voice 6: got the you've got the land piece

[1:53:43] Voice 6: by law yeah that's why i like mine i usually have a hard

[1:53:46] Voice 6: probably but that will really determine whether we need to put anything

[1:53:55] Voice 6: and i think speaking it's not here now but i think you know the concern was that

[1:54:01] Voice 6: that all the sort of look of the compared to what it was before the garden club took over

[1:54:07] Voice 6: there's nothing to stop parks from continuing to plant on it to mow on it to people to picnic on

[1:54:13] Voice 6: at any of that that is not what passive means it's just speaking to structure fence means a

[1:54:19] Voice 6: structure used as a barrier to separate prevent a state or intrusion or mark a boundary made for the

[1:54:25] Voice 6: gate screen or freestanding wall so it sets a structure so that's the problem you're talking

[1:54:34] Voice 11: about protective structure well

[1:54:36] Voice 6: this is our definition of fencing so we so therefore because

[1:54:40] Voice 6: we describe it as a structure we need to maybe add it in as a specific yeah

[1:54:46] Voice 12: i think that's what we

[1:54:47] Voice 12: added

[1:54:48] Voice 6: we should add in a fencing to protect um plantings there's some kind of wording that

[1:54:55] Voice 6: because any anything that's right now there's fencing around the fir trees they're in there

[1:55:00] Voice 6: i'm not sure if it's appropriate to ask the question but what can we do about things like

[1:55:06] science or information panels if we wanted to put up an imagery of eminent felix jack or the history

[1:55:15] Voice 5: of first nations how do we how do we write a restrictive covenant so that we capture all of

[1:55:23] Voice 5: these elements what we're what what the parks commission is asking is that we pause on this

[1:55:31] so that we can get a more fulsome idea of what reconciliation on the part should be not not our

[1:55:40] necessarily our not necessarily or the community as a whole should have input into this and once

[1:55:48] we get that input and once we get a direction that is agreed

[1:55:50] Voice 5: to and strong enough that we can

[1:55:52] Voice 5: carry forward then i think we can put in slightly restrictive elements but at this point i think

[1:55:59] Voice 5: it's far too early go

[1:56:01] Voice 11: ahead go ahead finish anything

[1:56:03] Voice 6: in terms of science certainly can be

[1:56:06] Voice 6: any changes can be explored by juice bylaws will change all the time so while we're doing this now

[1:56:12] Voice 6: this basically says puts a halt to major construction which i'm sure isn't never

[1:56:17] Voice 6: going to happen does it preclude changes in the future at no point but it sends out the message

[1:56:23] Voice 6: is that this is being identified as a specific area where this is activity and i don't know

[1:56:30] Voice 6: you know in terms of signage i don't know that you know community farmers how much time do you

[1:56:36] Voice 6: want to put back

[1:56:37] Voice 11: i've

[1:56:38] Voice 6: picked up maybe a sign and being told there's no time

[1:56:41] Voice 11: for that we were pretty

[1:56:43] Voice 11: free with letting people comment but let's go

[1:56:46] Trustee Maude: to trustee uh just a brief question to the

[1:56:49] Trustee Maude: representative of the parks commission is i'm just unclear because basically speaking the park is

[1:56:56] owned by the crd and and i guess for all intents purposes managed by the powers commission and and

[1:57:02] i'm just wondering how um

[1:57:04] Trustee Maude: your questions and statements sort of dovetail into the crd

[1:57:08] Trustee Maude: reconciliation efforts which because they have very specific policies and such so so are you

[1:57:15] Trustee Maude: Are you representing this as being from the CRD as a landowner?

[1:57:19] Or from the Parks Commission as a user?

[1:57:21] This is Parks Commission as a user.

[1:57:23] I think one of my things I've asked Narissa to include

[1:57:28] is for a referral agency as a CRD,

[1:57:31] because they have their own thoughts and policies

[1:57:35] and

[1:57:36] Trustee Maude: processes, which seem to be way, way deeper

[1:57:38] Trustee Maude: than what we have in terms of reconciliation.

[1:57:42] Voice 5: And if I could just add to that,

[1:57:43] Voice 5: that should be part of the consultation process

[1:57:46] Voice 5: as to include them.

[1:57:47] Voice 5: And right now we're not

[1:57:49] Voice 5: getting that consultation

[1:57:50] Voice 5: to include them, to get everybody's ideas

[1:57:52] Voice 5: on what should happen here.

[1:57:53] Voice 5: We are pretty much going on this

[1:57:55] Voice 5: based on one letter, one recommendation.

[1:57:59] Trustee Maude: But I think just to be clear here is this is referral time.

[1:58:03] Trustee Maude: Is that this is the time that this is now going out.

[1:58:06] Trustee Maude: Like the referral agencies, this isn't,

[1:58:09] Trustee Maude: we're voting and we're done.

[1:58:11] Trustee Maude: This is sort of, we're at midpoint.

[1:58:12] Trustee Maude: and this this is that this is the referral time that as you can see things are going out and the

[1:58:17] Trustee Maude: first recreation committee commission is this is on the referral lady trustee god yeah

[1:58:23] Voice 6: and i just

[1:58:24] Voice 6: want to say that again this is going up from referral but also going back to i guess you know

[1:58:29] Voice 6: i said and you heard what i what i said at the last meeting and i i don't know that the community

[1:58:35] Voice 6: as a whole wants to see a whole much more structured science other stuff going on there

[1:58:40] Voice 6: i think this just needs to be a very natural peaceful kind of place and if i'm wrong and

[1:58:45] Voice 6: when this comes to public hearing the public as you could do will let me know but uh my gut tells

[1:58:50] Voice 6: me that the community that gathers there and many of us have gathered very numerous times

[1:58:56] Voice 6: will support this just being left as much as possible um you know as johnny says to colonize

[1:59:03] Voice 6: because the first thing we do we drive you know we drive off and white settlers we show up and

[1:59:09] Voice 6: first thing i want to do is cut the trees down and plant our flowers and bring our sheep in and

[1:59:15] Voice 6: completely groom them and cure the landscape and i think that we have an opportunity here to actually

[1:59:21] Voice 6: do something very different to that and the the information signboards i i we have them here at the

[1:59:26] Voice 6: agricultural hall and so people's are and emin and phillips were they were couching

[1:59:34] Voice 6: and so it's not this is not you know this will work to start it maybe they don't like what we're

[1:59:40] Voice 6: doing but i think they will um i suspect they'll like it let's just play it simple so i still

[1:59:46] Voice 6: play it simple until i hear a huge amount and changes can almost be done in the future

[1:59:52] to add to what's here but basically passive needs no

[1:59:56] Voice 6: major structures

[2:00:00] Voice 11: Do you have anything further you'd like to say?

[2:00:01] Voice 11: I just put her totally with what President Dodson said.

[2:00:05] Voice 11: Okay.

[2:00:06] Voice 11: So, and I've said this before.

[2:00:11] Voice 11: These are the sorts of things that I consider to be completely local issues, so I don't weigh on them very much.

[2:00:16] Voice 11: But just from a process point of view, I'll just say, of course, if we do give some of the stuff first reading today, many people characterize that as sort of the start of the process.

[2:00:30] Voice 11: our consultation process i think a lot of people mischaracterize well you haven't consulted with

[2:00:36] Voice 11: us because you put a proposal on the table um and the reality is is that our formal consultation

[2:00:42] Voice 11: starts once we give something first reading that's when we send it out to everybody you

[2:00:48] Voice 11: may have seen in the list that there's i don't know 40 organizations it's quite a long list

[2:00:54] Voice 11: of organizations uh that it would go out to um and and i hear what you're saying i mean from a

[2:01:01] Voice 11: consultation point of view why didn't you come and talk to us before you put this on your agenda

[2:01:05] Voice 11: but sometimes things get on the agenda um and then the discussion starts and so we will have

[2:01:12] Voice 11: lots of opportunity for input i read your letter with a lot of interest about the history um and

[2:01:19] Voice 11: And I'm sure other people know that, I guess, Teresa, but also Reddit, and there'll be other opportunities for that consultation.

[2:01:27] Voice 11: And as Trustee Dunn says, perhaps the local First Nations will say, no, we think you're going the wrong direction.

[2:01:35] Voice 11: We want a completely different thing, or the community might say that, in which case, that's what the first reading and consultation is for, just like we're doing with other things.

[2:01:47] Voice 11: so anyway from a process point of view i just wanted to say that i don't really have a i hear

[2:01:53] Voice 11: a lot of evocative points of view and think they're they're good but i just wanted to

[2:01:57] Voice 11: make that clear regarding process um anything further from either of the trustees thank you

[2:02:03] Voice 11: for your uh about that particular item on the list okay so let's we we haven't actually made

[2:02:12] Voice 11: any motions yet about anything except to amend a couple of learning the next thing on the list uh

[2:02:19] Voice 11: Yeah,

[2:02:20] Voice 12: so the next thing on the list, we have the properties that that fell under that the

[2:02:29] Voice 6: covenant that did not weigh back when I acknowledge the, the, the, the, the need to and density.

[2:02:43] Voice 6: And so, you know, these properties have been in conversation for a little while now.

[2:02:49] Voice 6: And at the last meeting, the trustees had supported the proposal related to 797 Beachwood

[2:03:03] Voice 6: with to restrict the density to two, two, two, two, two homes

[2:03:11] and

[2:03:11] Voice 6: two, two cottages. And there was some discussion related to

[2:03:16] Voice 6: campaign property. And decision at that point was to restrict it

[2:03:21] Voice 6: to what currently exists and it and to include the one that has

[2:03:26] Voice 6: a current um uh building uh permit application um and that that

[2:03:33] Voice 12: would essentially restrict to

[2:03:34] Voice 7: uh

[2:03:35] Voice 12: to seven to seven dwellings um and i i understand there's been

[2:03:41] Voice 6: some conversation with um

[2:03:42] Voice 6: with the uh the property owners and who are here as well

[2:03:47] Voice 11: sorry the candidate i'm sorry i didn't

[2:03:51] Voice 11: money i don't mean to short form this but the the audio uh folks are here are they i don't know if

[2:03:56] Voice 11: there's anybody here for the uh unrelated to the beechwood drive property no

[2:04:00] Voice 6: i i haven't had any

[2:04:02] Voice 6: conversation personally with them i suppose and can we separate sure

[2:04:05] Voice 11: let's separate let's deal

[2:04:06] Voice 11: with me for

[2:04:07] Voice 6: beechwood we have consistently for many years spoken about correcting the beachwood

[2:04:15] Voice 6: remainder from the subdivision done by our new space states so yes please carry on that

[2:04:21] Voice 6: can't speaking to the campbell big one family might want to speak but i have i think someone

[2:04:26] Voice 6: why

[2:04:26] Voice 11: don't you go where you heard them well basically

[2:04:28] Voice 6: so the campbell bay is a similar

[2:04:31] Voice 6: situation it was a remainder it should have had a covenant put on it that restricted it adjusted to

[2:04:37] Voice 6: houses two dwellings and two cottages and unbeknownst to the trust committee this has

[2:04:42] Voice 6: been going on for quite a few years since been on our program to rectify that i certainly always

[2:04:47] Voice 6: thought the family knew what the zoning was but i've seen an email since where they were somewhat

[2:04:53] Voice 6: somewhat misinformed um i feel that this is a much more complicated project and we should pull it off

[2:04:59] Voice 6: this list now and put it onto our work program

[2:05:04] Trustee Maude: um my own i concur with that my only thing is is that

[2:05:11] in the spirit of fairness in the the beach sort of has the same issues um and the

[2:05:18] Trustee Maude: same possible

[2:05:20] Trustee Maude: potential for amenities going forward um if we sort of want to negotiate a middle ground

[2:05:25] Trustee Maude: i kind of have an interest in sort of conjoining both those projects to sort of to have that

[2:05:30] Trustee Maude: greater discussion because i do know previously other people who were in this the property

[2:05:36] Trustee Maude: we're in conversation with alice trust conservancy to donate in champion land and um in in order to

[2:05:43] Trustee Maude: sort of facilitate some density it

[2:05:47] Voice 6: could be any problem with us going ahead and completing

[2:05:50] Voice 6: the beachwood one and then when we add the campbell bay to our projects list at that point

[2:05:56] Voice 6: suggesting that we go then to look towards if there's any interest by the owners because i

[2:06:03] Voice 6: don't think there is so i don't think we should be i think we should move forward with that one now

[2:06:08] Voice 6: but once as a complete separate project send out an invitation later on and

[2:06:14] Voice 11: of course i mean i i

[2:06:16] Voice 11: don't know really the details of this but if you if you rezone like let's talk about the beachwood

[2:06:24] Voice 3: there's

[2:06:25] Voice 11: one thing if you stop a a subsequent landowner coming and saying you know if you

[2:06:29] Voice 11: give us a little more density we'll give you

[2:06:30] Voice 3: we'll

[2:06:31] Voice 11: give you two-thirds of the land or whatever

[2:06:33] Voice 11: whatever i don't know what the reality is to have a later date um okay so let's separate those

[2:06:41] Voice 11: uh you've heard trustee dodds related to the beachwood are you okay with just going ahead

[2:06:47] Voice 11: with what's proposed at least for now or do you want to well i guess my my thing is just fairness

[2:06:54] um i would like to hear from the beachwood property owners because if in fact they're

[2:07:01] they're they're they're fine and active with the way they are because

[2:07:04] Trustee Maude: there's a case where

[2:07:05] Trustee Maude: i believe it's 90 acres of properties and we're basically taking it down to to to drawing

[2:07:13] Trustee Maude: up

[2:07:13] Voice 6: what if i mean obviously this is just getting first reading and then additional instructions

[2:07:18] Voice 6: for the planner to specifically speak to the owners but i do know through the realtor through

[2:07:23] Voice 6: the likely process to sell the property that the purchasers are well aware they're not at

[2:07:28] Voice 6: tall concerned about us going back to the prophet covenant that should be on there and they certainly

[2:07:34] Voice 6: were all well well-worn so but i think we can give first reading to that one and a separate

[2:07:40] Voice 6: instruction okay okay so

[2:07:42] Voice 11: we're gonna make a note of that when we come back to the reading

[2:07:46] Voice 6: i think they're very very different

[2:07:47] Voice 11: okay so let's go to the camel bay and the proposal from trustee

[2:07:50] Voice 11: god take this out of the front and put it on as a specific project uh and you're nodding yes

[2:07:57] Voice 11: that's okay with you if

[2:07:59] Voice 6: i make the motion if you

[2:08:02] Voice 11: want to i'll let you guys put an emotion yeah

[2:08:05] Voice 6: yeah

[2:08:05] Voice 5: did you want

[2:08:06] Voice 6: to speak either tab did you want to speak about um

[2:08:09] Voice 7: well just we had a

[2:08:11] Voice 7: might be a good conversation i've had quite a few conversations with marissa as well and

[2:08:16] Voice 7: i feel that we can move forward in a fair way we have a very large family so it's a bit complicated

[2:08:22] Voice 7: did is sometimes we can just amongst ourselves i think the shock factor just came from not having

[2:08:27] Voice 7: been notified um but that's sort of been rectified i feel confident

[2:08:33] Voice 7: have you seen

[2:08:35] Voice 11: the movie the descendants sort of it's sort of like that isn't it it plays out that

[2:08:41] Voice 11: way if you ever go to ireland parts of ireland and you see the walls that are

[2:08:46] Voice 11: created into smaller

[2:08:47] Voice 11: and smaller and smaller and smaller fields yeah do

[2:08:51] Voice 6: you need a motion why

[2:08:53] Voice 11: don't we do it all at the

[2:08:54] Voice 11: end yeah

[2:08:54] Voice 6: we'll come back to

[2:08:55] Voice 11: these because we're just

[2:08:56] Voice 11: identifying the ones that are issues and

[2:08:58] Voice 11: we'll we'll make motions and then them but i think i hear consensus to take this the gamble bay

[2:09:03] Voice 11: amendment out of this project set it aside as a separate project you can continue the conversation

[2:09:09] Voice 11: so okay uh go ahead uh planner um okay

[2:09:13] Voice 12: so moving on to the definition of patio so um that has been

[2:09:20] Voice 12: uh was discussed again and

[2:09:22] Voice 6: we so we included a definition of patio that includes um

[2:09:26] Voice 6: a horizontal area that may not exceed maximum height of 45 centimeters above natural grade

[2:09:34] Voice 6: and may not have walls, railing, or a roof.

[2:09:40] Voice 6: And previously, what was presented to trustees was to restrict that area,

[2:09:47] Voice 6: the size of that area, as well as not to permit it within the setback to C.

[2:09:52] Voice 6: But staff was requested to remove those restrictions.

[2:09:58] So essentially, the graph bylaw just has the definition of patio and removes the, in the section

[2:10:11] Voice 6: of the bylaw that allows for patios, removes that restriction around exceeding any required knowledge.

[2:10:23] Voice 6: so go ahead sorry um

[2:10:29] so just to be clear that

[2:10:31] Trustee Maude: we we are saying that wooden panels are permitted within the setback

[2:10:35] Trustee Maude: to the seat

[2:10:36] Voice 6: that's what essentially this is okay all

[2:10:38] Trustee Maude: right that's cool

[2:10:45] Voice 11: okay yeah trustee dots because i thought the the motion was to the contrary yeah yeah i think it

[2:10:51] Voice 6: sense are not so so can you clear clarify that uh well there's a discussion uh at the last meeting

[2:10:58] Voice 6: was to remove the portion that uh that restricted patios from from being within the setback to the

[2:11:04] Voice 6: seat so currently if as written this would allow them to be in okay okay because yeah i think

[2:11:13] Voice 11: well i'm just saying i i again i have no ask to grind in this but my recollection of the motion

[2:11:20] Voice 11: motion was is that they wouldn't be allowed in the suspect and see but if I'm wrong I'm wrong

[2:11:24] Voice 11: that's

[2:11:24] Voice 6: well that was the conversation I've given I've given a lot of thought to because you can

[2:11:29] Voice 6: put cement yeah that

[2:11:31] Voice 6: was that was trustee mods point yeah so you

[2:11:33] Voice 11: can put cement travel I know

[2:11:35] Voice 6: blah

[2:11:35] Voice 11: blah blah why not patios

[2:11:36] Voice 6: yeah it would be better so

[2:11:38] Trustee Maude: I think if that's very happy

[2:11:41] Trustee Maude: it removes

[2:11:43] Voice 6: the size restriction and permits it in the setbacks

[2:11:47] Voice 11: okay all right you're okay with that

[2:11:50] Voice 11: okay okay uh go ahead um

[2:11:54] Voice 6: and

[2:11:55] Voice 12: the secondary suites um the regulation would just um we just

[2:12:01] uh tweaked a little bit to align the language with what's being uh used for flexible housing

[2:12:07] there was a little discrepancy there so that was fairly simple uh innocuous uh ship that just makes

[2:12:14] things clearer um and then and then there's election uh election funds so it was the interest

[2:12:21] of a trustees to

[2:12:23] Voice 6: support uh that election science essentially be um not so

[2:12:31] Voice 12: they be um so previously

[2:12:36] Voice 12: So the pre, the current, the current land use bylaw exempts election signs.

[2:12:43] Voice 12: So the way that that it would, it would now read is it essentially

[2:12:48] Voice 6: exempt the land use

[2:12:54] Voice 6: bylaw.

[2:12:55] Voice 6: Sorry.

[2:13:03] Trustee Maude: Maybe we'll kind of chat with just the concern that was raised by staff about prohibiting

[2:13:09] more than one election i think that as being mature individuals we know this is not to get

[2:13:15] enforced

[2:13:15] Trustee Maude: this is more broadcasting an attempt and and hopefully the political parties will

[2:13:23] Trustee Maude: will sort of respect it but i i just can't see a bio officer coming by and saying you've got

[2:13:29] Trustee Maude: have two election sites in your front lawn how dare you well they won't now yeah

[2:13:34] Voice 6: so this is the

[2:13:35] Voice 6: thing is uh yeah so sorry uh

[2:13:57] Voice 6: yeah so i mean essentially it removes it from being from the

[2:14:01] Voice 6: the previous regulation removed it from removed election signs from all of the regulations

[2:14:08] Voice 6: related to signs but this way it permits it permits uh the signs the election signs but

[2:14:17] Voice 12: the

[2:14:17] Voice 6: signs are now uh restricted by the other regulations within the

[2:14:22] Voice 12: the

[2:14:22] Voice 6: bylaws so that includes the number of election signs that can be on a single lawn as well as the

[2:14:28] Voice 6: size of the election so that's the the thing that uh

[2:14:32] Voice 12: has been pointed out is that um it essentially

[2:14:36] Voice 6: will prohibit two election signs on the lawn i mean the point that you raised is you know

[2:14:43] Voice 6: it's

[2:14:45] Trustee Maude: a valid one yeah well because they literally i go down the corner here the third party signs

[2:14:50] Trustee Maude: are not allowed on any property there's a property at the corner there's probably a 20 third party

[2:14:54] Trustee Maude: size we don't enforce the same by law but but but it's more intent right

[2:15:01] Voice 6: just down past the

[2:15:02] Voice 6: griffin center on the tender where it's yeah we try yeah

[2:15:07] Trustee Maude: but i think that the intent is just to

[2:15:10] Trustee Maude: to tell it is and hopefully it will be respected because election signs are not really big on the

[2:15:16] Trustee Maude: island and

[2:15:17] Voice 6: we once had a big conservative one gary london brothers human moccasins set up for weeks

[2:15:25] Voice 3: is

[2:15:29] Voice 11: that the list that's

[2:15:32] Voice 12: the full list okay

[2:15:33] Voice 11: so which ones do we have to amend besides

[2:15:36] Voice 11: removing the campbell bay property which ones do we need to and to add the the provision related

[2:15:42] Voice 11: related fencing related to the Felix Jack Park.

[2:15:45] Voice 11: Yes,

[2:15:45] Voice 6: I think there were two related to the Felix Jack Park.

[2:15:47] Voice 6: One is that it could be referred to as Emma and Felix Jack Park.

[2:15:52] Voice 6: Oh, okay.

[2:15:52] Voice 6: And then I guess staff recommendation would be to add an additional item,

[2:15:59] Voice 6: which would be fencing to the Felix Jack Park.

[2:16:01] Voice 6: Okay,

[2:16:01] Voice 11: so can I just find the exact section of the proposed bylaw to deal with this?

[2:16:07] Voice 11: i didn't hear anybody

[2:16:09] Voice 11: having any concerns about changes to the ocp but rather to the luv so which

[2:16:15] Voice 11: which is the section on the park uh

[2:16:17] Voice 6: so page 64. yep i put in i put in crop protection fancy okay

[2:16:35] Voice 11: which section is it just before we

[2:16:39] Voice 11: it oh there it is okay so it's the very first box that's

[2:16:43] Voice 6: right on page 64.

[2:16:45] Voice 11: so it'd be amending the

[2:16:47] Voice 11: 2.8 to include vegetation uh in addition what plant protection

[2:16:58] Voice 6: it's

[2:16:58] Voice 11: you know like it's crops go for

[2:17:01] Voice 11: it um or a more popular crop

[2:17:09] Voice 11: and

[2:17:10] Voice 6: changing the wording to honorary figure so yes

[2:17:13] Voice 11: so to amend it to read an honoring

[2:17:16] Voice 11: figure

[2:17:17] Voice 6: and

[2:17:19] Voice 11: to add uh vegetation protection defensive to uh to the list does that need

[2:17:30] Voice 6: to be in a motion i

[2:17:31] Voice 11: think so if we're gonna if you're gonna give it first reading it is

[2:17:34] Voice 6: so can i move that now yeah okay so i move that to be um for section 2.8 that we make the following

[2:17:43] Voice 6: change the name is emma and felix jock park uh name change honoring figure and that we add plant

[2:17:50] protection and scene

[2:17:51] Voice 6: to that section okay

[2:17:56] Voice 11: so let's make sure that pat has the motion

[2:17:59] Voice 5: to

[2:18:03] Voice 6: change colon

[2:18:05] Voice 6: and name name emma and

[2:18:06] Voice 6: felix jack park um

[2:18:09] Voice 7: to read honoring figure and to include vegetation

[2:18:13] Voice 7: protection fencing correct

[2:18:14] Voice 11: is that the extent of any amendments you want to make to that section

[2:18:19] Voice 11: 2.8 okay so do i have a seconder and we've had a fair amount of discussion about this is there any

[2:18:26] Voice 11: more discussion that either of you wish to have related to that motion so i'll call the votes

[2:18:31] Voice 11: so so that passes um so there was another amendment uh related to remove which one

[2:18:40] Voice 11: do we

[2:18:40] Voice 6: need to remove

[2:18:41] Voice 11: yes so which where is that so

[2:18:43] Voice 6: it's on page 56. so that's

[2:18:48] Voice 11: so that would be two point to take 2.6 remove 2.6 uh from bylaw amend bylaw wanting somebody to

[2:18:58] Voice 11: removing section 2.6 is that right am i getting that right um

[2:19:05] Voice 6: yes yeah

[2:19:06] Voice 11: and then we can add that

[2:19:09] Voice 11: to the project list along with whatever the other project we were talking about earlier

[2:19:13] Voice 11: um was i just think we just need to amend so if you want to make that motion that we remove

[2:19:20] Voice 6: move section 2.6 from

[2:19:23] Voice 11: slot from draft bylaw okay so that's been moved is there a seconder is there

[2:19:32] Voice 11: any further discussion related to that okay so all in favor that passes are there any other

[2:19:36] Voice 11: amendments that need to be made before we go to the motion there okay

[2:19:43] Voice 6: is

[2:19:44] Voice 11: that i i think that's

[2:19:45] Voice 11: correct planner chadwick i don't think did you make a note of any other amendments of any other

[2:19:49] Voice 6: ones no okay um oh there well there there was a symbols um you wanted to add salt spring and um

[2:19:57] Voice 11: but let's get the let's get the readings done right okay

[2:20:01] Voice 11: um oh no the first one is well we can

[2:20:05] Voice 11: go through these motions and we'll get to the appropriate one oh uh i

[2:20:08] Voice 11: would

[2:20:09] Voice 12: also add the

[2:20:10] recommendation

[2:20:10] Voice 6: as uh i would add to the recommendation number four um to schedule a

[2:20:16] Voice 6: cim and public right here yeah okay so

[2:20:19] Voice 6: let's get to those one at that

[2:20:20] Voice 11: so we have a first

[2:20:21] Voice 11: okay

[2:20:22] Trustee Maude: well

[2:20:33] Voice 11: we've had that discussion anything further all in favor that passes unanimously

[2:20:37] Voice 11: so this is now we're into 186 doesn't wasn't amended so we can be that motion will be exactly

[2:20:43] Voice 11: exactly yes that

[2:20:44] Trustee Maude: the main island local trust committee bylaw number 186 saying it's main

[2:20:48] Trustee Maude: island official community plan bylaw number one four four two thousand seven amendment number two

[2:20:53] Trustee Maude: two thousand twenty one be ready for first time second

[2:20:56] Voice 11: we've had some discussion and raised content

[2:20:59] Voice 11: all in favor that passes unanimously and this one was amended so

[2:21:03] Trustee Maude: the main island local trust

[2:21:04] Trustee Maude: committee bylaw number one eight seven as amended cited as mainland land use bylaw one four six

[2:21:11] Trustee Maude: 2008 amendment number three 2021 be read for the first time

[2:21:14] Voice 6: second okay

[2:21:16] Trustee Maude: all in favor that passes

[2:21:18] Trustee Maude: unanimously the main island local trust committee uh request staff schedule a public hearing and

[2:21:24] Trustee Maude: community information meeting for bylaws number 186 and 187. second for that oh

[2:21:31] Voice 6: second okay

[2:21:32] Trustee Maude: all

[2:21:33] Trustee Maude: in favor that passes unanimously that the mainland local trust committee has reviewed the violence

[2:21:37] Trustee Maude: trust policy statement directives only checklist and determine the violence number one eight six

[2:21:42] Trustee Maude: and one eight seven seconds official community plan file number one four four two thousand

[2:21:47] Trustee Maude: seven amendment number two twenty twenty one and may now land use by our number one four six two

[2:21:52] Trustee Maude: thousand eight amendment number three twenty twenty one are not contrary or at various policy

[2:21:57] Trustee Maude: now

[2:21:59] Voice 11: we had a couple of other things one is you want to add a couple of referrals

[2:22:09] Voice 11: so the mailing list requested by staff to refer the bylaws to crd and something about trust

[2:22:16] Voice 11: in addition to those that it was in the stuff okay

[2:22:22] Voice 7: any

[2:22:24] Voice 11: discussion no all in favor that passes

[2:22:26] Voice 11: unanimously and then there was one other direction you want to give about about the that particular

[2:22:32] Voice 11: that wrote that property for staff to go and

[2:22:35] Voice 11: talk to them did you want to make specific requests that

[2:22:37] Voice 11: go speak to those folks what would you like

[2:22:39] Voice 6: i don't i just i don't need a i don't need to have

[2:22:42] Voice 6: a resolution okay

[2:22:43] Voice 11: anything further related to this project okay thank you very much we're getting

[2:22:50] Voice 11: closer on that one too uh we're now at the work programs report which is at page 75 on the uh

[2:22:59] Voice 11: agenda is there oh this is where we want to add some things to the projects list and i you know

[2:23:06] Voice 11: What happens is we get a little alert.

[2:23:08] Voice 11: I know we talked about adding something to the projects list

[2:23:10] Voice 11: like an hour ago, and I'd forgotten what it was.

[2:23:13] Voice 11: Did

[2:23:13] Voice 6: you miss the audience trust conservancy?

[2:23:20] Voice 6: You mean their report?

[2:23:25] Voice 6: Their report.

[2:23:25] Voice 6: No,

[2:23:26] Voice 11: we haven't got that far.

[2:23:27] Voice 11: I'm just wondering, was there was the projects list,

[2:23:30] Voice 11: was it Camel Bay, but there was something earlier

[2:23:32] Voice 11: that we talked about putting on the projects list,

[2:23:34] Voice 11: list didn't we am i completely making this out no

[2:23:38] Voice 12: i'm looking at the secondary suites and the

[2:23:44] Voice 12: oh right the one thing the uh the water services oh

[2:23:48] Voice 11: right okay so we've got the um the various

[2:23:52] Voice 11: uh we've got the project of the top priorities list which will remain unchanged but we were

[2:23:58] Voice 11: that's right this is the one you said should we formalize it and the issue was

[2:24:03] Voice 11: was the first issue was, can someone define it for me?

[2:24:07] Voice 11: It was about looking at, looking at.

[2:24:10] Voice 12: I think it would be consulting

[2:24:13] Voice 12: the water service districts.

[2:24:16] Voice 12: Regarding

[2:24:17] Voice 11: expanding where secondary suites are,

[2:24:19] Voice 11: if it can be utilized or.

[2:24:22] Voice 12: Yeah,

[2:24:22] Voice 6: and flexible housing potentially.

[2:24:25] Voice 6: Okay.

[2:24:26] Voice 6: And all of that material, we've been there, done that.

[2:24:28] Voice 6: So you should be able to find it in a file,

[2:24:31] Voice 6: all the whole layout,

[2:24:32] Voice 6: or we kind of like the we met with them all and the building inspection so they should all be

[2:24:36] Voice 6: there in a package somewhere or phone gear okay so

[2:24:39] Voice 11: let's let's move that we add that you add to

[2:24:43] Voice 11: the projects list uh consult with the water districts regarding expanding uh available

[2:24:50] Voice 11: areas for secondary suites yeah

[2:24:52] Voice 9: okay

[2:24:54] Voice 11: just something like that okay so that works so

[2:24:57] Voice 11: call the

[2:24:57] Voice 11: vote on that but i moved that and trustee dodd seconded so that passes and then nine is

[2:25:04] Voice 11: someone define what you want to do with the campbell bay and i know we're short-forming it

[2:25:11] Voice 11: but the properties we know we're talking about so

[2:25:13] Voice 6: and and i know for me not till after the music

[2:25:17] Voice 6: festival is her priority business and so we're talking like after after july um but to consult

[2:25:24] Voice 6: assault with the property owners of the Campbell Bay property on some sort of resolution on the incorrect, because the covenant is incorrect.

[2:25:36] Voice 6: So do

[2:25:39] Voice 11: you have any suggestive language for what

[2:25:42] Voice 6: that would be formally?

[2:25:44] Voice 11: Yeah,

[2:25:44] Voice 12: a couple of things here. So one is because this would be this would be essentially a project,

[2:25:51] Voice 12: project, which would be a rezoning. So the project that the LTC is initiating related

[2:26:00] Voice 6: to a rezoning. So the first, I think, step would be to put it onto the projects list.

[2:26:09] Voice 6: But if there is interest in bringing it up again, I'm just thinking, in order to keep

[2:26:13] Voice 6: it on our radar um uh you may also want to pass a resolution uh to uh bring it up for discussion

[2:26:21] Voice 6: at the july august oh okay okay i move that we bring up the uh possible negotiations on the

[2:26:31] Voice 6: rezoning for the property known as the campbell bay property owned by the ireal family uh for our

[2:26:39] Voice 6: the end of July. There'll still be a recovery. That will be on our agenda.

[2:26:51] Voice 6: I'm sorry, bring up negotiation. July 18.

[2:26:55] Voice 6: It shouldn't be negotiation. A better word than that would be a conversation.

[2:27:00] Voice 6: It would be a conversation to reconcile the incorrect covenant.

[2:27:12] Voice 6: yeah let's let's get

[2:27:15] Voice 6: some that's going to be covenant

[2:27:16] Voice 6: i just don't like the

[2:27:19] Voice 11: idea of bring up conversation are you saying

[2:27:21] Voice 6: that that could

[2:27:22] Voice 6: add to the agenda to add a conversation regarding the campbell bay property at our july a conversation

[2:27:33] Voice 6: with iredale property owners campbell bay um at july meeting but july

[2:27:40] Voice 6: ltc so

[2:27:43] Voice 11: did we get a motion

[2:27:46] Voice 6: go ahead uh it would be that um i guess it's to ask staff to add a

[2:27:53] Voice 6: conversation with iredale

[2:27:55] Voice 7: property owners campbell bay i'll expand on that um for july at july ltc

[2:28:02] Voice 6: meeting

[2:28:02] Voice 11: and do we want to and add that to the project and

[2:28:07] Voice 6: yeah oh yes and then oh actually

[2:28:09] Voice 6: i had that oh

[2:28:10] Voice 11: you're already like

[2:28:10] Voice 6: that the motion is to ask staff to add to the projects list right

[2:28:15] Voice 6: adding a conversation okay so we gotta i

[2:28:18] Voice 11: think we gotta perform our emotions

[2:28:21] Voice 7: yeah

[2:28:21] Voice 11: well she's combined oh

[2:28:23] Voice 7: you combined it okay but yeah

[2:28:25] Voice 11: two directives

[2:28:27] Voice 6: okay yeah because the

[2:28:29] Voice 6: first one i put add to projects list consulting with the water districts regarding expanding

[2:28:34] Voice 6: expanding areas available for secondary speeds okay

[2:28:36] Voice 11: okay so we've got a motion on the table

[2:28:40] Voice 11: is there kind of seconded any further discussion I think we've talked about this a lot and I'm

[2:28:44] Voice 11: very confident given that this is the happy Island that we will find a way forward all in favor should

[2:28:50] Voice 11: I pass into that thanks very much uh anything else related to the work program report I think not we

[2:28:58] Voice 11: have the applications report there that sets out the various applications that are current

[2:29:03] Voice 11: uh there any questions for staff related to any of those applications seeing nothing uh we have

[2:29:09] Voice 11: for information our expenses uh report uh at page where is that that's a page 81 and i just wanted

[2:29:20] Voice 11: to check oh i still have no idea how anybody spent two dollars and ninety eight cents but they did

[2:29:25] Voice 11: and uh it's it's of course this

[2:29:32] Voice 9: is

[2:29:33] Voice 11: the end of the fiscal year so that's pretty much the although

[2:29:37] Voice 11: this is the end of january but that's i'm sure there's going to be a little bit more added to

[2:29:42] Voice 11: the surplus and then we have the top policies and standing resolutions i assume there's nothing

[2:29:49] Voice 11: related to that or the local trust so we're over to various reports uh we'll do that as briefly as

[2:29:55] Voice 11: Ken, so the first one is, I don't know why.

[2:30:00] Voice 11: always make me be the first report but i will uh i will tell you that um we had a two weeks ago we

[2:30:08] Voice 11: had a um eventful trust council uh is what i will call it uh and out of that um we uh we passed a

[2:30:20] Voice 11: budget um not without some uh controversy and not without some um uh lengthy discussion but that was

[2:30:31] Voice 11: done uh we had an update on the trust policy statement and we heard that the and the the

[2:30:37] Voice 11: engagement that's going on and report from the from the consultants who are working with our

[2:30:42] Voice 11: our our our staff to deliver the uh right now they're working on um uh delivering on island

[2:30:52] Voice 11: individual local trust area uh updates and consultations and as you've heard they're

[2:30:59] Voice 11: coming here on april the 11th um they're actually in my local trust area tonight so i won't miss

[2:31:05] Voice 11: them um i may catch the last half um tomorrow night is the second of what they're calling the

[2:31:13] Voice 11: community consultation which is the trust-wide community consultation you can still register

[2:31:19] Voice 11: for that if you wish to um and on the trust policy statement it was i think they were the reports we

[2:31:27] Voice 11: had there were somewhere between 75 and 80 of the first one and um and they had breakout rooms and

[2:31:34] Voice 11: smaller discussions etc around issues and apparently uh that at times of challenging

[2:31:40] Voice 11: but it was they thought it was a good conversation so that's going on as well um

[2:31:46] Voice 11: we had a governance uh report that came out about a month ago just over a month ago it was made

[2:31:54] Voice 11: public anyway and there was a fair amount of discussion about that at trust council

[2:31:59] Voice 11: um my co-trustees here will not may not know this unless they watched the executive committee

[2:32:06] Voice 11: um last week but you will be getting a an rwm as to whether trustees wish to have a special

[2:32:13] Voice 11: trust council just to finish the work of setting up a governance implementation committee or not

[2:32:19] Voice 11: uh that will come an rwm will come out in the next five three or four days i'm guessing to

[2:32:26] Voice 11: to ask you whether you want to do that or not.

[2:32:28] Voice 11: The idea being, if we wanna use the last four or five months

[2:32:33] Voice 11: of this term to try and get the terms of reference

[2:32:35] Voice 11: around the governance committee, blah, blah,

[2:32:36] Voice 11: decide which are the priority items that we wanna work on

[2:32:39] Voice 11: and recommend to the next press council,

[2:32:41] Voice 11: then we should get a committee struck and get going,

[2:32:43] Voice 11: but it'll be up to trustees

[2:32:45] Voice 11: as to whether they wanna wait till June to do that or not.

[2:32:48] Voice 11: And I guess my last thing to all report is

[2:32:51] Voice 11: On Wednesday, the executive committee approved the sponsorship of the variance for the, it's not the eye call, it's the thrift shop, sorry.

[2:33:07] Voice 11: So that's now been the variance application, which they've made in order to put their ramp and all the rest of it in was, it was approved.

[2:33:16] Voice 11: Despite budget concerns, we approved it in any case.

[2:33:20] Voice 11: so i'll leave it at that and turn it over to your local trustees

[2:33:24] Voice 11: who wants to go why don't you go first you always defer to the trustee dodge

[2:33:29] Trustee Maude: no i i that's but most importantly i call for society to wait in those days because

[2:33:34] that's uh more money than they can spend on their project i

[2:33:39] Trustee Maude: don't really have a lot to say other

[2:33:40] Trustee Maude: than we didn't produce buttons and say i survived trust council but they should have it was it was

[2:33:47] Trustee Maude: a lot um between the budget on the trust policy statement and the management or the government

[2:33:55] Trustee Maude: government's review um it was a lot to take in in three days um any one of those topics would

[2:34:01] Trustee Maude: have filled the agenda and we did two and a half of them and uh

[2:34:05] Trustee Maude: it was a lot um one thing that

[2:34:09] Trustee Maude: happened trust council is they did agree to to write a letter um supporting the island or the

[2:34:15] Trustee Maude: main island conservancies concerns about uh fallow and blacktail deer overpopulation which was very

[2:34:21] Trustee Maude: encouraging to me that's the first time the trust council has actually waded into the field of

[2:34:27] Trustee Maude: something that is truly the greatest ecological threat to the gulf islands as a whole so hopefully

[2:34:34] Trustee Maude: we get some results from the province from that and we have a positive road forward um other than

[2:34:40] Trustee Maude: them the constant challenges the basic barriers and the other things that make life a little bit

[2:34:45] Trustee Maude: awkward around here just bring us from and we're on our way thank you yeah

[2:34:50] Voice 6: i just want to say i've

[2:34:52] Voice 6: been to many many many many trust councils and that was the most most exhausting i was i was

[2:34:58] Voice 6: tired for days um and it was a very involved discussion about budget and some lessons we

[2:35:05] Voice 6: we learned about how we handle budget but also despite the fact that we have strong disagreements

[2:35:11] Voice 6: on whether it's the budget or what we should do in policy statement or governance at the end of

[2:35:16] Voice 6: the meeting everyone came together and built a consensus around the budget which ultimately got

[2:35:21] Voice 6: reduced even those that were were firmly opposed to any reductions we went through a line by line

[2:35:27] Voice 6: and there was a consensus at the end and the budget was reduced by about 300 000 so it's down

[2:35:32] Voice 6: to 9.1 million or million um so the camaraderie you know at times it's interesting 26 people

[2:35:40] Voice 6: with sometimes very different ideas on what the trust is or what they should be doing

[2:35:45] Voice 6: but always they come together in the governance um review that was done the the contractors that

[2:35:52] Voice 6: did this no matter what anyone had to say about how trust council functions or what they do

[2:35:57] Voice 6: unanimously. All of the trustees felt that they were all, that everyone was working together

[2:36:04] Voice 6: and that they all had the best interests of the islands in their hearts. And we just needed to

[2:36:10] Voice 6: work through. So right now we're seeing headlines about governance in terms of inconstancy, etc.

[2:36:15] Voice 6: But in fact, I think it's just a system that at this point needs this review, obviously, and that

[2:36:22] Voice 6: that the demands on the trust in the last few years

[2:36:25] Voice 6: have definitely ramped up maybe the last 10 years

[2:36:28] Voice 6: and more so now as we see the effects of climate change.

[2:36:32] Voice 6: Reconciliation is a huge project for us to take on.

[2:36:35] Voice 6: So I think kudos to us being able to walk away

[2:36:39] Voice 6: from very challenging and still all be able

[2:36:44] Voice 6: to talk to each other.

[2:36:48] Voice 6: Okay, thank you.

[2:36:49] Voice 11: um then we have as the last item the last document is the islands trust conservancy uh report uh this

[2:37:00] Voice 11: is the one from their january meeting and i know they've had another meeting since then as they

[2:37:05] Voice 11: continue to evolve their uh the position um uh they've had some um uh they they put out this

[2:37:15] Voice 11: report on a after every meeting but they also put out a document called the heron if you haven't

[2:37:20] Voice 11: seen the heron it's an excellent uh document that sort of is a more descriptive one in the sense

[2:37:25] Voice 11: that it's full of pictures and stories about the about the various projects that they're working on

[2:37:30] Voice 11: it comes out about two or three times a year um and they've had some uh and they're also if you

[2:37:37] Voice 11: hear if you're not on facebook with them i suggest you do that maybe other social media they're doing

[2:37:44] Voice 11: a whole series of traveling around the trust area highlighting um various protected areas and

[2:37:52] Voice 11: i found it quite compelling because i don't know about some of them and they say we're

[2:37:57] Voice 11: this week we're going to and they take you to a particular area that they've protected on the

[2:38:02] Voice 1: islands

[2:38:02] Voice 11: and and i see some nods people know this about this anyway

[2:38:06] Voice 1: i i highly recommend

[2:38:07] Voice 11: it and

[2:38:08] Voice 11: they've had their first big win at the trust conservancy which is they got a very large

[2:38:13] Voice 11: donation from a woman on salt spring whose last name i've completely forgotten it's gone

[2:38:18] Voice 11: completely out of my head um as a legacy gift uh of over a hundred thousand i think it's a

[2:38:24] Voice 11: hundred thousand dollars that's it thank you very much and uh which is a first so and this is part

[2:38:32] Voice 11: of their plan going forward they're trying to develop this sort of legacy fund because they've

[2:38:37] Voice 11: gotten a lot of land but not a lot of money over the years so this is good news so that's the

[2:38:42] Voice 11: the Conservancy, our next regular scheduled,

[2:38:45] Voice 11: anybody other, any other business

[2:38:47] Voice 11: from either of the trustees, then we'll go,

[2:38:50] Voice 11: the next regular scheduled meeting is May the 30th,

[2:38:53] Voice 11: so it's a couple of months, be right here.

[2:38:56] Voice 11: And so this is our second opportunity for a,

[2:39:00] Voice 11: for public comment before we go into a,

[2:39:05] Voice 11: I think it's a relatively brief in-camera session.

[2:39:09] Voice 11: So this is your opportunity,

[2:39:10] Voice 11: anybody wish to speak to the to the trust local trust committee about uh anything you've either

[2:39:16] Voice 11: heard or like you want to bring up at this point please just let me know yeah go ahead

[2:39:21] Voice 11: i'm sorry can i you told me your name and i forgot sure

[2:39:25] Voice 8: so i'm nico um my wife and i live

[2:39:27] Voice 8: by valhalla gardens of 411 village bay um and i just wanted to to speak to the experience of

[2:39:34] Voice 8: coming newly to the island and in the last few months we've got a number of things happening

[2:39:38] Voice 8: happening along our property. We've lost our privacy along the road, the bike trail going in, which, you know, we love the idea of a bike trail, but it's pretty dramatic change. And now we're gonna lose our rock wall on the other side along Felix Park to the bike trail. And we have a proposed development beside us. So it's concerning. On many levels, we're scientists. So we haven't really spoken up to this point until we had our data in hand. But we really wanted to voice what some of our concerns are. We really haven't been engaged at all. So we don't know what's going on.

[2:40:08] Voice 8: on until today with with the housing um we're frankly surprised it's still being tabled i think

[2:40:14] Voice 8: after this winter we thought there's no way anyone would build on this slope um you know i think our

[2:40:19] Voice 8: neighbor leaves has footage of you know waste deep water coming through the proposed site um

[2:40:25] Voice 8: and we essentially there's a reason there's no development there you'll notice looking at our

[2:40:29] Voice 8: property uh the neighbor's property is essentially right on top of ours so much so that we're

[2:40:33] Voice 8: We're currently trying to deal with multiple encroachments through dialogue with our neighbors rather than other means that would precede any change in property ownership of the neighboring property.

[2:40:44] Voice 8: There are at least four or five significant encroachments that we can resolve before there's any discussion of subdivision or otherwise.

[2:40:52] Voice 8: So, you know, in finding this property and moving here, you know, we spent the last few years very sensitive to affordable housing.

[2:40:57] Voice 8: We were priced out of the market and have been looking for a property for five years since we sold our last sort of property.

[2:41:02] Voice 8: We specifically sought rural acreage where we could farm, and we specifically sought a place where we could have our parents move in to age in place.

[2:41:10] Voice 8: And I think after COVID, we're all recognizing that multi-generational homes are perhaps a priority.

[2:41:16] Voice 8: So we're thrilled today to hear the flexible housing project.

[2:41:20] Voice 8: That sounds exactly like the kind of stuff that addresses housing and kind of the distributed, decentralized approach to resolving these crises.

[2:41:27] Voice 8: But the idea of having something high density near us on the slope is alarming.

[2:41:33] Voice 8: You know, we watched our 20 downhill neighbors flood this year and making their homes.

[2:41:37] Voice 8: And the idea of disturbing those soils is mind boggling.

[2:41:40] Voice 8: I think we saw with the Anson Road development what exactly the storm waters here can do.

[2:41:45] Voice 8: And that's hundreds of thousands of dollars of water engineering.

[2:41:48] Voice 8: So I think in thinking about the affordability of that project, you have to have quite a war chest to mitigate the floodwater damage downstream.

[2:41:55] Voice 8: downstream, and, you know, the impacts on our water supply. Looking at the hybrid geologic surveys

[2:42:01] Voice 8: that were done at the property, they really just don't line up with reality. The locations of

[2:42:07] Voice 8: wells, for example, are misrepresented. I find it difficult to understand the concept that it

[2:42:14] Voice 8: won't affect our water supply, given that all of our wells have grown dry over the last few years.

[2:42:19] Voice 8: You know, land like this is so exceedingly rare, a place where you can farm in Canada that's less

[2:42:25] Voice 8: than one percent of our lands who knows what fraction of our lands it is in in the gulf

[2:42:31] Voice 8: islands in terms of arable suitable lands the soils on our property there's a patch there well

[2:42:37] Voice 8: that's suitable that holds water right and so a wetland for context one acre of wetland holds

[2:42:42] Voice 8: a million to a million and a half gallons of flood water so if you're going to remove that soil

[2:42:47] Voice 8: and a good example of it is our neighbor's property next door tim's where you know the

[2:42:51] Voice 8: deforestation, so it's bedrock. If you remove

[2:42:53] Voice 8: that soil, you need to store that water. So unless

[2:42:56] Voice 8: there's a plan for a million gallons of water storage, I can only see this impacting downhill

[2:43:02] Voice 8: neighbors in a way that makes the viability of the properties on Maple Drive put into question.

[2:43:08] Voice 8: So any developer taking on the project, I think, is facing an insurmountable legal risk to impacting

[2:43:16] Voice 8: downhill properties, impacting the water supply. And I think, you know, you can see a glimpse in

[2:43:20] Voice 8: the future down some road and next door to Tim's. So I don't know, we have yet to encounter in our

[2:43:27] Voice 8: neighborhood any support. We've held back our opinion and collected data. I think my dirty

[2:43:32] Voice 8: fingernails will belie the fact that I was digging soil pits today around our property. We share

[2:43:38] Voice 8: those soils. We can't even step off a path without going out to our hip. So the idea of putting a

[2:43:43] Voice 8: high density project or paving it over is inconceivable. Lastly, the island has no lakes,

[2:43:49] Voice 8: no lakes, no rivers, so these waters, you know, that we get all this rain in the winter and it goes out to sea. So if we're going to engineer our way out of this problem and pipe it right out to sea, we lose the recharge of all the aquifers that support the

[2:44:01] Voice 8: downhill properties of Maple Drive. So we need to retain those waters in place, we need to ensure the integrity of those soils in order to have water in the off season.

[2:44:10] Voice 8: You know, we almost ruled out moving to Main Island because we were aware of water issues,

[2:44:14] Voice 8: supply, wrong time of year.

[2:44:16] Voice 8: We went for it and we just want to be sure, you know, that holding a piece of property

[2:44:21] Voice 8: there with such a unique legacy, we have a thousand plant species, we have land that's

[2:44:27] Voice 8: suitable to agriculture, conservation, otherwise, we've almost continuous banned of that land

[2:44:32] Voice 8: all the way up to the ferry with Tim's property and properties further down.

[2:44:35] Voice 8: I really think the island should be thinking about the unique value of those properties

[2:44:40] Voice 8: and preserving that rather than considering rezoning it in a way that impacts the viability

[2:44:45] Voice 8: of families living there and the loss of potential resilience on this island for food production

[2:44:50] Voice 8: and conservation.

[2:44:51] Voice 8: Those are my thoughts.

[2:44:55] Voice 9: Anybody else wish to speak?

[2:45:00] Voice 10: I have a thought.

[2:45:01] Voice 10: It builds on that.

[2:45:02] Voice 10: You know, if you're thinking about that corridor as a legacy, maybe a project in the future for the local trust council is thinking about a DPA along that route and how that might be useful in protecting some of those areas that actually are managing the surface water flow.

[2:45:23] Voice 10: low. And I know that comes as kind of a bit of a down zoning for people in that area. And that's

[2:45:30] Voice 10: why it'd be worth looking into because there are real problems down hill from us. And they're just

[2:45:36] Voice 10: going to get worse as that corridor starts to see more development.

[2:45:41] Voice 10: Can I

[2:45:42] Voice 11: just have a question? Because this has always been confusing me and confusing with you.

[2:45:46] Voice 11: None of that lands on the ALR.

[2:45:50] Voice 10: I didn't

[2:45:51] Voice 11: say it did. I just wanted to be clear in my brain because people keep talking about agriculture, but none of it's in the airwaves.

[2:46:00] Voice 10: Can I address that issue?

[2:46:02] Voice 11: Well, it's just a question.

[2:46:03] Voice 11: The

[2:46:03] Voice 10: challenge that people have, I think Nico probably included, is you can't get the airwaves on these islands. They're taken up with other occupants.

[2:46:13] Voice 10: so what what new people are doing that want to do what we're doing is they're buying

[2:46:20] Voice 10: rural zone lands and they're starting to build farms they'll be the next wave of ALR property

[2:46:27] Voice 10: for certain I think but today ALR isn't for farmers it tends to be for a big landowner with

[2:46:35] Voice 10: with a beautiful view and

[2:46:39] Voice 6: there's a big difference between ALR which was just a

[2:46:43] Voice 6: designation from Air Force, an actual real land that you can actually grow a crop on. There's very little, few pockets of actual real dirt anywhere on the island that we successfully grow crops on.

[2:46:57] Voice 6: And there'll be

[2:46:58] Voice 6: small farms.

[2:47:00] Voice 8: And it's an anomaly, this little section of Village Bay, because from the ridge where everyone's piled up, us and the neighbor included, that's bone dry.

[2:47:07] Voice 8: and it's a scrabble shale you can't grow anything but then below it all waters have been coming down

[2:47:13] Voice 8: from that park forever we have these deep soils and this wetland area that is historically those

[2:47:19] Voice 8: lands would either be agriculture or conservation and i think some combination of both is really

[2:47:24] Voice 8: well suited to that area and it's been protected by this rural designation but i think that the

[2:47:31] Voice 8: number of plants on our property are pretty good testament to that you know there's a couple of

[2:47:35] Voice 8: hundred fruit trees there's a thousand varieties of plants you know

[2:47:39] Voice 8: it's uh suited to plant

[2:47:42] Voice 8: production okay

[2:47:42] Voice 5: thanks for your input it's certainly we just wanted to say briefly because

[2:47:46] Voice 5: we will address these issues further in the meetings that come but the main housing site is

[2:47:52] Voice 5: very conscious of concerns about surface water and in fact the primary flow of surface water into

[2:48:00] this whole zone it's two culverts underneath the liquid road neither

[2:48:04] Voice 5: of which go onto the property

[2:48:05] Voice 5: that is proposed to be sub-divided one goes under jim's property one goes onto the middle of the

[2:48:11] Voice 5: of the armenian property and those two culverts themselves which are draining about

[2:48:16] Voice 5: 30 acres probably apart are the source of the flood water that is the problem

[2:48:22] Voice 5: there's currently relatively little capacity on that soil to hold any of that water retain it

[2:48:28] Voice 5: because it's severely degrading the wetland remediation specialist we had studied the land

[2:48:33] Voice 5: said she never walked out along a place and not been able to get her probe in more than you can

[2:48:38] Voice 5: just see anywhere on the property so it has very currently has very little retention capacity and

[2:48:44] Voice 5: it's been it's been trenched over time to increase its drainage which increases the speed so part of

[2:48:52] Voice 5: the development plan is put in a wetland remediation that a specialist has put together

[2:48:57] Voice 5: And those retention ponds and the fluffing and the decompaction will actually create

[2:49:04] Voice 5: absorptive land as well as a capacity in ponds to take surge flows and to rehabilitate a

[2:49:12] Voice 5: wetland area which is not recovering naturally from the historical use of that land over

[2:49:20] Voice 5: the last century.

[2:49:22] Voice 5: So there's no intention here to create any kind of problem for the Almsgirds but in fact

[2:49:28] Voice 5: to improve the ability of the land to grow sustainable along with wetland they will help

[2:49:34] Voice 5: retain water on the land not

[2:49:36] Voice 11: to increase runoff okay and this is i think unless i'm mistaken

[2:49:42] Voice 11: going to be a large part of what we're going to talk about at the end of may is when we see some

[2:49:47] Voice 11: of the material but thank you for your thoughts because as you say you haven't had an opportunity

[2:49:51] Voice 11: to share your thoughts to it so far any of the trustees have anything further they want

[2:49:57] Voice 11: does anybody else wish to speak to the

[2:50:00] Voice 5: local trust committee in town hall

[2:50:03] Voice 11: okay well thank you very much uh and uh i guess i won't see you till may the end of

[2:50:08] Voice 11: May. So enjoy your April. April showers bring May flowers. Well let's hope a long cool spring for everybody.