Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee special meeting, April 19, 2022

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[0:00:57] Voice 7: man of many talents

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[0:01:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): good morning everyone um sorry we're a few minutes late

[0:01:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): um the challenges of setting up this uh multiple ways to attend a local trust committee meeting

[0:01:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): And this is the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee meeting of April the 19th.

[0:01:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): My name is Peter Luckham.

[0:01:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm elected on Thetis Island in the Laiacson and Penelope Territory.

[0:01:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm here today where I'm on Salt Spring Island with my co-trustees here in Coast Salish Territory.

[0:01:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): Many nations have significant interests on Salt Spring Island throughout the Salish Sea.

[0:02:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): I want to acknowledge that historical presence, the rich culture and history that's available for us to learn about what happened since time immemorial.

[0:02:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): So just to introduce Peter Grove, locally elected trustee, Laura Patrick, locally elected trustee, myself, of course.

[0:02:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): In the room, we have Rob Pringle, who's looking at it today.

[0:02:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, Rob.

[0:02:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): Regional Planning Manager, Stefan Cermak.

[0:02:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): Welcome.

[0:02:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, Stefan.

[0:02:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Jason Yeomans, the planner, and Jordy Gordon.

[0:02:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you, Jordy.

[0:02:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): Sorry about that.

[0:02:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): Joining us here this morning as well.

[0:02:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I'm sure there's plenty of other staff

[0:02:54] Voice 5: online here to support us as well.

[0:03:00] Voice 5: Okay.

[0:03:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): We do have an agenda before us and I'll ask if there's any late or new business items

[0:03:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): to add to our agenda. Looking around the room, see lots of nodding heads. That's great.

[0:03:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. So let us begin then. So we'll approve the agenda by general consent. I just want to

[0:03:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): to acknowledge Dan Rogers, actually, who chaired for me at the last meeting, and very much

[0:03:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): appreciate that. And I hope I'm able to come up with a standard that it appears he set by reading

[0:03:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): the minutes. So that said, before us is the draft minutes of March the 22nd. Not able to provide any

[0:03:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): specific comment, but are you satisfied? Excellent. So then I will just take it by general consent,

[0:03:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): then, that the meeting minutes be received or adopted as presented. We also have a special

[0:04:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): meeting, March the 15th, minutes there also for adoption. Those minutes were ostensibly for us

[0:04:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): to go in-camera, where we had some in-camera items to discuss and then returned with nothing to

[0:04:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): report. So I'll take it that those minutes are accurate to you, and then I will adopt those

[0:04:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): those minutes as presented also.

[0:04:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): So thank you to staff for the record keeping.

[0:04:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): Resolution without meeting report.

[0:04:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): I believe there's a resolution

[0:04:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): without meeting in the works.

[0:04:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm not sure the status of that, but that will come to us.

[0:04:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[0:04:38] Voice 12: presume, or we might recognize

[0:04:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): all of this amazing work

[0:04:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): by advisory planning commissions,

[0:04:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): agricultural advisory planning commission,

[0:04:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): and Ganges Village Planning Task Force

[0:04:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): and the Housing Action Program Task Force.

[0:05:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): Two meetings there.

[0:05:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): They have provided us their minutes

[0:05:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): and that is there for our information.

[0:05:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so if that's all right,

[0:05:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): I will just assume that we will receive

[0:05:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): all of those for information

[0:05:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): unless there's some other action necessary

[0:05:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): by the LTC members.

[0:05:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): members. Peter Grove. Okay.

[0:05:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I'll just maybe turn to Stefan. I'm presuming you're in the seat

[0:06:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): of that message. And you would be bringing to us our standard process at the next meeting,

[0:06:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): perhaps to do the appointment of APC members or, right?

[0:06:20] Voice 7: I see. Right. So

[0:06:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm thinking just

[0:06:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): about the appointments. And certainly, if we want to have a discussion with respect to that

[0:06:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): that letter, then that would be a new business item.

[0:06:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): Did you want to take any action

[0:06:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): or just flagging it for the moment?

[0:07:06] Voice 7: Well, let's raise it at the next LTC then.

[0:07:12] Voice 7: So let's add for the next

[0:07:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): agenda discussion about APC.

[0:07:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right, so thank you.

[0:07:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): Anything else on those advisory planning commission

[0:07:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): meeting minutes?

[0:07:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): So while I'll just want to recognize

[0:07:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): that the chair of the housing committee

[0:07:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): has sent us an email perhaps

[0:07:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): this morning or last night.

[0:07:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): I didn't check the timing on it

[0:07:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): and offers his regrets at not being able to be here today

[0:07:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): to report to us.

[0:07:56] Voice 7: Pardon me again?

[0:08:00] Voice 7: Yes.

[0:08:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, I think, yeah, I guess we could treat that

[0:08:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): as correspondence or something similar at our next meeting

[0:08:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): and receive it then because it only came in yesterday the public has to be careful about that

[0:08:28] Voice 12: what do you want i'm

[0:08:30] Voice 7: sorry just a

[0:08:31] Voice 12: moment peter

[0:08:37] Voice 7: grove or myself oh trustee grove

[0:08:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): oh you want me to mute sorry apologize to everybody i just a bit of technology challenges

[0:08:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): is it doesn't seem to matter how many

[0:08:56] Voice 5: times we do this it always appears to be a challenge why

[0:09:00] Voice 5: have i lost that right there oh that's why um well my audio is not muted oh i see because you

[0:09:14] Voice 5: want to pick up that so that's probably what i did wrong all

[0:09:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): right so does that seem to be working

[0:09:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, sorry, Peter

[0:09:32] Voice 17: at 7.9 he has sent in his written report. So I suspect I suggest we read that out loud. Okay, you're

[0:09:51] Voice 17: concerned about that.

[0:09:52] Voice 5: It came late.

[0:09:57] Voice 17: So the report will get out at the same time as if you were here in person, but I'm happy to read this report. Okay,

[0:10:03] Voice 12: that's fine. I can read it.

[0:10:04] Voice 12: all right so then

[0:10:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): that concludes then the uh advisory planning commission uh reports received

[0:10:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): for information our next uh public record here is the public hearing record uh for proposed bylaw

[0:10:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): number 525 at 1351 mountain road and that's uh for our information purposes and consideration

[0:10:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): consideration with respect to that bylaw and so I'll assume that they'll just receive that for

[0:10:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): information satisfactory thank you so business arising from the minutes now we have a report

[0:10:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): dated April 2022 and I'll just turn to the regional planning manager are there any updates to that

[0:10:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): report okay thank you and then I'll go to trustees to ask if you have any questions about the report

[0:11:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): Uh, Laura, my

[0:11:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): only question would be, uh, at some point, uh, just the transition understanding

[0:11:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): that, uh, my manager, sir, Mac will be, uh, departing us and that, uh, I guess the responsibility

[0:11:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): here, just the transition, because I know there's a lot of work on the plate.

[0:11:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): So update on transition between now and the next meeting, or is that still in the works?

[0:11:34] Voice 17: Yeah.

[0:11:34] Voice 17: to the chair i've been i've obviously been starting to address that um that'll be my focus

[0:11:39] Voice 17: for the next few days um certainly have developed a plan to direct from bar in terms of how to or

[0:11:45] Voice 17: whom to transfer what to um but there's a lot there's a lot so i don't think that's been

[0:11:52] Voice 17: 100% resolved um and hence why i have a few more days but yeah all everything that has my name on

[0:11:58] Voice 17: it will be

[0:11:58] Voice 3: updated by the time i get back to you get a certificate answer to whom it goes

[0:12:04] Voice 3: but director mario does have a list a spreadsheet of pretty much everything and

[0:12:11] Voice 12: my recommendations

[0:12:12] Voice 12: about where they should go and how they should be thank you step on all right so nothing else

[0:12:24] Voice 12: on the follow-up action list

[0:12:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay so community information

[0:12:29] Voice 3: public hearing report so standing

[0:12:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): resolutions list that's here for our information lessons that decide to change anything i don't

[0:12:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): see any indication of that so we'll continue on work program truck priorities report

[0:12:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): dated april 2022 that's our current status is

[0:12:47] Voice 3: there any uh questions or remarks with respect

[0:12:49] Voice 3: to that no all right so applications

[0:12:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): with status support also dated april 2022 just uh look to

[0:13:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): staff again are there any updates recent updates not at this time so um trustees do you have any

[0:13:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): questions with respect to applications peter grove

[0:13:11] Voice 17: yes please uh development planet the very

[0:13:13] Voice 17: first one which is the pope of ganges uh road ones um i'm just curious so what happens now

[0:13:20] Voice 17: as the song says what the news ended made so the chair you know the applicant um was proposing one

[0:13:30] Voice 17: thing and has changed what they're doing and that revision of staff or lts or pardon me islands

[0:13:38] Voice 17: the trust staff are working with alc staff to understand how that changed the application and

[0:13:45] Voice 17: the last i heard talking to the planner was that there hadn't been that communication loop

[0:13:51] Voice 17: hadn't been closed and there was no the applicant this time thank you dan peter grove um page 81

[0:14:03] Voice 17: miss crofton's housing corporation development permit um i'm wondering if uh there has been

[0:14:10] Voice 17: any response staff requested an update from the applicant i was saying here we are sorry the

[0:14:17] Voice 17: dormant application has been sent have we received a response not the ltc closes

[0:14:24] Voice 3: but alternatively

[0:14:25] Voice 3: yeah

[0:14:26] Voice 17: the ltc resolved at the last meeting to close this file so that the

[0:14:29] Voice 3: file is effectively

[0:14:30] Voice 3: to be closed there's a rezoning and a development permit application for the same address

[0:14:38] Voice 3: so they'll be removed from

[0:14:39] Voice 3: the future they will be removed and

[0:14:41] Voice 17: uh the next we're giving updates

[0:14:43] Voice 17: 91 uh the um fernando dos santos wondering what the status is on that we have the planner here

[0:14:55] Voice 17: if you'd like to ask the planner directly i'd love to hear from the plan on the dos santos

[0:15:00] Voice 17: development um i have a meeting scheduled with the applicants next week they've indicated some good

[0:15:06] Voice 17: news around the water supply what that means is i don't know yet but they seem that there's some

[0:15:13] Voice 17: positive news so we're just waiting for a water a report on water we're waiting for their water

[0:15:17] Voice 17: management plan which involves someone managing their water system thank you that's all that

[0:15:24] Voice 17: helps us thank you thank you um

[0:15:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): i don't know if it's my this is my first time in this room for

[0:15:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): meetings and i don't know if it's my hearing is being affected today or our voices are being

[0:15:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): be sucked up into the void.

[0:15:37] Voice 3: It's not good.

[0:15:37] Voice 3: Yeah.

[0:15:38] Voice 3: So

[0:15:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'll just ask everybody to speak up.

[0:15:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): And you're pointing to the speaker, the air hand.

[0:15:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, I'm not cold nor warm, so maybe that could be turned off.

[0:15:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): But I'll just simply ask to be sure we capture everything as we move into the discussion

[0:15:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): on

[0:15:57] Voice 3: the important work ahead of us that we speak up so that even members in the audience

[0:16:02] Voice 3: can hear us.

[0:16:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): um so i'll continue on 7.5 is expense report that's there for information unless there's

[0:16:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): some immediate question that needs to be answered otherwise uh

[0:16:16] Voice 3: nancy rogers at the office

[0:16:18] Voice 3: and certainly in the other so this receives after information if that's all right

[0:16:25] Voice 3: and unstressed conservancy board report um nothing on

[0:16:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): our agenda today i think we had a report at our

[0:16:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): last meeting uh next item is salt spring island watershed protection alliance coordinates report

[0:16:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): nothing in the

[0:16:39] Voice 3: agenda um the chair of um that alliance do you have anything to report no no

[0:16:47] Voice 3: discussion coming up

[0:16:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): so we can wait okay so the gang g's village area planning

[0:16:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): any task force chairs update a verbal

[0:16:57] Voice 12: report um in attendance so okay and so the housing action

[0:17:08] Voice 12: program report bear with me i'll just pull that up for me

[0:17:34] Voice 17: i'd have it

[0:17:34] Voice 12: on my screen

[0:17:35] Voice 17: if that would

[0:17:35] Voice 17: be helpful oh if

[0:17:36] Voice 26: you would like to read it then that would be better i've been for some reason

[0:17:40] Voice 26: well i

[0:17:40] Voice 17: think it's appropriate um because it's an important report and so i will um read uh

[0:17:46] Voice 17: ronan um report uh emailed to us yesterday regretfully i will be unable to attend the

[0:17:54] Voice 17: lcc meeting tomorrow april 19th to give my after chair report in person due to family obligations

[0:18:00] Voice 17: i will present some of my points briefly here with that you will be able to see this before

[0:18:05] Voice 17: the meeting over

[0:18:06] Voice 17: the next few meetings the housing task force is intending on refining

[0:18:10] Voice 17: and updating our matrix of ideas for recommendations to the ltc on land use planning actions

[0:18:15] Voice 17: that will be helpful to maintaining a healthy demographic of people in a way that minimizes

[0:18:21] Voice 17: the impact on the environment in the short, medium and long term. Last meeting we heard

[0:18:26] Voice 17: a report from Member Bordeleau on his outreach to the many parties concerning tiny homes in

[0:18:31] Voice 17: relation to the pilot project on a tiny homes village and tiny notes in general. There was

[0:18:37] Voice 17: general agreement that this is a complex discussion due to inter-jurisdictional issues and that many

[0:18:42] Voice 17: that tiny homes are a meaningful and popular solution to some people and requires further

[0:18:47] Voice 17: discussion and support it was generally agreed that there is a confusion with the definition

[0:18:52] Voice 17: of what a tiny home is in the minds of most people we feel that the pilot project ran away

[0:18:57] Voice 17: at the ltc would be more accurately described as a micro home village due to the fixed foundation

[0:19:03] Voice 17: aspects of the buildings described most people think of tiny homes as inherently movable

[0:19:10] Voice 17: structures either on wheels or transportable by crane truck. We will be articulating the need for

[0:19:17] Voice 17: this distinction in our matrix as connected to services where people can install their tiny home.

[0:19:22] Voice 17: We realize that there are inter-jurisdictional issues but this is an important issue that for

[0:19:28] Voice 17: the LTC and partner government agencies to address and resolve. There will be more details reflected

[0:19:35] Voice 17: in the minutes of the meeting I am sure. The housing crisis continues to intensify at an

[0:19:40] Voice 17: alarming date a recent anecdote is that a local carpenter and spouse who is well-paid professional

[0:19:46] Voice 17: and their two children are losing their rental in june despite having a significant household

[0:19:50] Voice 17: income well above the median on salt spring they do not qualify for a mortgage necessary

[0:19:55] Voice 17: to purchase a decent family home on on the island on the source they tried to apply for a rental

[0:20:02] Voice 17: house with a monthly rent of 3 000 per month they had to compete with at least 30 applicants and

[0:20:07] Voice 17: we're out of it the anecdote highlights the intensity of the crisis is happening in slow

[0:20:13] Voice 17: motion as we are steadily losing the working class professionals that serve our community

[0:20:18] Voice 17: at an accelerating rate this in turn impacts business owners ability to operate and indeed

[0:20:23] Voice 17: our whole community i fear that we have reached a point where even if all of our best recommendations

[0:20:29] Voice 17: are implemented it will be too little yeah too little and too late the situations for years

[0:20:36] Voice 17: has been described as a crisis without meaningful action to address the situation.

[0:20:41] Voice 17: When will it be addressed as an emergency? Will that even matter, as it seems the best intention

[0:20:48] Voice 17: to slow down by the details of the bureaucratic process to become virtually ineffectual?

[0:20:53] Voice 17: With that sobering anecdote and the reality it describes, I would like to address briefly two

[0:20:58] Voice 17: housing-related items on today's agenda. First, I would like to acknowledge the work that staff

[0:21:03] Voice 17: has done in proposing bylaw 530. Yes, it falls short of the principle that the task force is

[0:21:08] Voice 17: trying to get through, that in order to find the willing landlords and make use of all available

[0:21:13] Voice 17: buildings, the permission needs to be extended as broadly as possible, and that a way should

[0:21:17] Voice 17: be found to cap the total numbers to limit the overall impact on population growth. It is

[0:21:23] Voice 17: disappointing that little effort seems to be given to this area. It seems at this point that what is

[0:21:30] Voice 17: proposed by in bylaw 530 is close to the best we are going to get at this time given the constraints

[0:21:36] Voice 17: of the ocp and the limited resources to explore more innovative solutions i would recommend that

[0:21:42] Voice 17: ltc give it first reading and hopefully it can be tweaked a bit more in the next readings to

[0:21:47] Voice 17: achieve maximum potential without current constraints indeed already identifying the

[0:21:52] Voice 17: parts of bylaw 530 that it might be improved for maximum uptick and community benefit following

[0:21:58] Voice 17: following future OCP amendments is an important next step and one that we'll be sure to address

[0:22:03] Voice 17: in our matrix. I know that staff are tracking the current limiting factors in the OCP and will help

[0:22:09] Voice 17: us find reasonable suggestions for improvement in keeping with the spirit of the OCP as a whole.

[0:22:14] Voice 17: And this is the final paragraph. This brings me to the next housing-related issue on the agenda.

[0:22:20] Voice 17: I would hope that the LTC approves the application for variance to allow for a suite in a garage

[0:22:25] Voice 17: so that the property owner can provide her family member a safe long-term rental.

[0:22:30] Voice 17: This is exactly in the spirit of the bylaw changes recommended by the Housing Task Force.

[0:22:36] Voice 17: It is a daunting endeavor to apply for a variance, so many choose to provide this type of housing illegally.

[0:22:41] Voice 17: Approval of this application would set a strong signal to the community to encourage others to apply for variances

[0:22:46] Voice 17: that result in reasonable small secondary dwellings that will help the future of the community survive.

[0:22:52] Voice 17: It is hard to find landlords and hard to find those willing to go through the legal processes with uncertain results.

[0:23:01] Voice 17: Please send a signal to the community that the LTC is open to implementing small buildings in existing infrastructure and reward those seeking variance through legal use.

[0:23:11] Voice 17: This is one of the lowest impact ways we can gain housing for young families, and it also benefits the property owners as a mortgage helper.

[0:23:18] Voice 17: allows for multi-generational living indeed the potential to downsize and place in the town on

[0:23:23] Voice 17: one's land so hopefully benefits in the next generation can find a way to stay here to support

[0:23:32] Voice 17: the needs of our community thank you for your consideration and all your hard work on these

[0:23:37] Voice 17: challenging issues vernon thanks well

[0:23:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): very good thank you peter i did manage to find it

[0:23:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): in the end and want to thank roman for submitting his report um and i'm just going to note the

[0:23:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): reason i couldn't find it is because we had a i had a plethora of emails this morning a number

[0:23:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): of which are uh comments regarding uh the 116 columns road application so you may want to

[0:24:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): consider looking at those um the other one that maybe is not any less significant but significant

[0:24:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): is a couple of notices with respect

[0:24:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): to the variance permit at 14 McKenzie

[0:24:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): present on Piers Island

[0:24:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): was one that indicating a failure of notice

[0:24:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): and another one indicating other interest in that.

[0:24:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): So just make sure staff are aware of that

[0:24:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): and seeing those most recent emails or not.

[0:24:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): But obviously there's a decision to be made

[0:24:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we may want to consider those

[0:24:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): especially if there was a failure to provide notice to neighbors which is maybe i haven't

[0:24:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): read it obviously um any uh remarks from in some trustees with respect to um

[0:25:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): any of those reports that we received or ronan's um written report we just received that information

[0:25:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): So, again, thanking all of those bodies for the significant amount of work that they're undertaking.

[0:25:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): And that then will bring us to the local trust committee projects, the first of which is the Ganges Village plan, public engagement plan summary by Ann Studio.

[0:25:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): And just is staff going to provide a summary report here, introduction?

[0:25:41] Voice 17: um thank you mr chair i can see the planner just pulling into the parking lot

[0:25:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): should

[0:25:46] Voice 17: catch the ferry this morning i think we're going to stitch faster than expected

[0:25:50] Voice 17: so

[0:25:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): um then perhaps we should just delay that one for the moment and perhaps we could go on

[0:25:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): to the housing action program that one

[0:25:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): as well um what would you recommend at this time i would

[0:26:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): recommend one of the other two uh water sustainability or the 8.3 or 8.4 okay well

[0:26:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's go to 8.3 then water sustainability who is going to present that report

[0:26:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): over to

[0:26:18] Voice 3: you good morning sir thank you good morning

[0:26:20] Voice 3: all right

[0:26:31] Voice 16: thank you so the purpose of this staff report is threefold uh it provides the ltc with

[0:26:36] Voice 16: what has been labeled the situation analysis and options identification report related to swipa

[0:26:43] Voice 16: uh it also is looking to seek some clarity around the swipa budget particularly

[0:26:47] Voice 16: particularly how to balance compensation to the SWFA coordinator

[0:26:51] Voice 16: versus money spent on other activities the SWFA engages in,

[0:26:55] Voice 16: like revised special property tax requisition

[0:26:58] Voice 16: that Trust Council endorsed at their last meeting.

[0:27:02] Voice 16: And then third, it seeks to get a little guidance from the LTC

[0:27:06] Voice 16: around how staff should balance the desire or the mandate, really,

[0:27:12] Voice 16: for meaningful First Nations engagement

[0:27:14] Voice 16: engagement in the development of a watershed stewardship and protection strategic plan

[0:27:19] Voice 16: versus some prospective timelines around the delivery of that plan.

[0:27:24] Voice 16: Look at each of these in turn, appendix one of your staff report contains the situation

[0:27:33] Voice 16: analysis and options identification report for SWPA.

[0:27:37] Voice 16: This is phase one of what will be a larger watershed stewardship and protection strategic

[0:27:41] Voice 16: strategic plan for the island and the LTC engaged econics services small firm that specializes in

[0:27:48] Voice 16: helping local governments consider their their water sustainability issues really take a

[0:27:54] Voice 16: qualitative look at Swipa and its performance over the years and provide the LTC with some

[0:28:00] Voice 16: recommendations perhaps for alternative configurations to deliver the coordination

[0:28:07] Voice 16: of watershed stewardship efforts on the island.

[0:28:09] Voice 16: As you well know, SWPA brings together the agencies

[0:28:12] Voice 16: and organizations and individuals who are interested

[0:28:15] Voice 16: in protecting the island's fresh water

[0:28:18] Voice 16: and groundwater resources.

[0:28:20] Voice 16: And since 2013, this work has really taken place

[0:28:25] Voice 16: under the LTC's umbrella through this sort of quasi

[0:28:30] Voice 16: non-governmental organization that has been created

[0:28:33] Voice 16: called SWPA, funded through a special property

[0:28:35] Voice 16: property tax requisition year over year and it seems since we're going to embark on this greater

[0:28:42] Voice 16: watershed stewardship planning exercise it seemed like an opportune time to take a look at SWPA's

[0:28:47] Voice 16: work over the years and determine whether there was any alternative ways that that work could

[0:28:51] Voice 16: potentially be delivered and so you'll see in this so the report that Econic Services developed

[0:28:57] Voice 16: interviewed 14 individuals with an interest in watershed stewardship and protection on the

[0:29:03] Voice 16: Island. Some of them were members of agencies, different non-profit organizations with an

[0:29:07] Voice 16: interest in water, and also workshopped some ideas with SWPA itself to get a sense from SWPA

[0:29:13] Voice 16: about what it felt and how it felt about its performance over the years, and came up with a

[0:29:21] Voice 16: number of recommendations, also a suite of different ways that coordination of watershed

[0:29:28] Voice 16: shed stewardship could be configured if the LTC or if other agencies wanted to reconfigure such.

[0:29:36] Voice 16: Ultimately, for the time being, the consultant settled on an interim recommendation, we would

[0:29:42] Voice 16: call it, which is that he is concerned that SWFA's arm's length appearance from the LTC

[0:29:51] Voice 16: gives the impression that it can do more than it actually can, that it's more than just a

[0:29:55] Voice 16: coordinating body and so in the opinion of econics they would recommend

[0:30:00] Voice 16: And then that the LTC brings Swipa in-house, as it were, which would mean in the recommendation

[0:30:08] Voice 16: of the consultant, retiring Swipa brand and its independent identity as something outside

[0:30:16] Voice 16: of the LTC, when in reality it's funded, certainly in recent years, it's been funded

[0:30:22] Voice 16: almost entirely by the LTC.

[0:30:23] Voice 16: see and so it is in effect a creature of the ltc and should be brought in how something

[0:30:32] Voice 16: more akin i suppose to an advisory planning commission or something similar

[0:30:38] Voice 16: staff haven't really had a chance to to digest and reflect on the implications of of this

[0:30:44] Voice 16: recommendation um obviously there are implemented implications if we do decide to reconfigure it

[0:30:50] Voice 16: So that's the primary recommendation that emerges from the staff report, and then there's a number of others,

[0:30:56] Voice 16: which is that a greater effort be put into engaging area First Nations in the coordination around freshwater stewardship on the island,

[0:31:05] Voice 16: in alignment with the Island's Trust Reconciliation Action Plan and its Reconciliation Declaration.

[0:31:10] Voice 16: It recommends that we work with the provincial government and the CRD to better define how

[0:31:18] Voice 16: to use, I don't know if this sounds pejorative, but what often gets called citizen science

[0:31:24] Voice 16: or community science.

[0:31:25] Voice 16: So work that is done not by consultants, but rather by sometimes credentials or formerly

[0:31:33] Voice 16: credentialed members of the community who want to contribute what they feel to be relevant

[0:31:38] Voice 16: or relevant scientific information to SWFA or to local agencies

[0:31:42] Voice 16: to better decide how to take that sort of information in

[0:31:46] Voice 16: so it can be useful to agencies.

[0:31:49] Voice 16: The consultant recommends that a multi-year watershed protection strategy

[0:31:53] Voice 16: for the island be developed.

[0:31:54] Voice 16: The good news is that work is shortly going to be underway

[0:31:57] Voice 16: and is already underway to some extent.

[0:32:00] Voice 16: And then he recommends that the LTC or the agencies and organizations

[0:32:05] Voice 16: involve working away through a structured decision-making process to figure out which

[0:32:10] Voice 16: of the other potential options around coordinating watershed stewardship on the island

[0:32:16] Voice 16: might

[0:32:17] Voice 16: be better than sort of interim recommendation that he's making at this current time.

[0:32:22] Voice 16: Because some of these other options may indeed deliver a better end result than in-housing

[0:32:31] Voice 16: things whip up but they also require other agencies to do things for example and nobody

[0:32:38] Voice 16: yet has asked them to do those things so he's recommending sort of a more robust process to

[0:32:43] Voice 16: figure out which of those uh options might work so that is essentially the um the first deliverable

[0:32:53] Voice 16: of this watershed stewardship and protection strategic planning process staff's recommendation

[0:32:58] Voice 16: to the ltc for the time that you received the report um we're not recommending any action for

[0:33:04] Voice 16: the current time though of course if the ltc wants to direct action on it staff are happy to

[0:33:09] Voice 16: carry that out we'll report back to the ltc as need be um would you like me to carry on to the

[0:33:17] Voice 16: other two items in the report or do you want to sort

[0:33:21] Voice 17: of speak about this um

[0:33:22] Voice 3: what's the pleasure

[0:33:24] Voice 3: of the ltc i

[0:33:25] Voice 17: would like to hear from the chair of this of the school uh

[0:33:32] Voice 12: sure um

[0:33:39] Voice 12: my

[0:33:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): hook from what was it where we began december two years ago was um to focus on the development

[0:33:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): of a good strategic plan that i saw that as coordinating a strategic plan and that

[0:33:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): the the governance so to speak of the delivery of water watershed protection would come out of

[0:34:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): the implementation of that plan um i think this is an area as you know the i believe that the

[0:34:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): mandate the preserve and protect in cooperation with cannot be separate terms they must always

[0:34:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): always come together

[0:34:23] Voice 10: and

[0:34:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): so we are a coordinating body and I think we we need to always reflect and

[0:34:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): look at how to do it better so it was a test and I think good constructive feedback on that is

[0:34:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): is widely important so I think as far as to me the immediate issue is your contract questions

[0:34:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): regarding the staff person, which I had hoped

[0:34:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): that we'd be in a more advanced decision point at this,

[0:34:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): because I see the coordinator is playing a very important

[0:34:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): role to helping develop the strategic plan.

[0:34:58] Voice 7: She's

[0:34:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): built the relationships when the province

[0:35:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): did the water budget work with the Golder Associates,

[0:35:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): there was nothing but praise as to, in fact,

[0:35:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think they went as far as saying the report

[0:35:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): couldn't have even been done without the coordinator's

[0:35:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): assistance to make that happen so I know our consultant feels pretty pretty pretty firm that

[0:35:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): he can get through the strategic plan but I you know I think he's still learning about herding

[0:35:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): cats on salt spring and all of the coordinating that goes with it and the relationships that our

[0:35:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): coordinator has built I think will will lead to a more successful strategic plan at the end of the

[0:35:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): the day and i'm still confident that if we do a good strategic plan with the implementation parts

[0:35:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): of it developed that that answers the how we do it because it does need to we we can only be

[0:35:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): responsible for taxing and and delivering on the work of of this agency um but you know what

[0:36:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): coordination there's you know that that's a whole other question what does that look like how what

[0:36:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): what services do we need to help make that happen on salt spring and i think the consultant was kind

[0:36:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): of coming around to that again i think there could be actions that are developed within the plan

[0:36:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): because i know he was talking about maybe an annual workshop of some type or you know that's

[0:36:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): something we could coordinate put on or another agency or whatever so i think the interim step

[0:36:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): step here would be to deal with the contract issue because we have to uh it's past april 1st

[0:36:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): and i would recommend actually that we refer this report to our major partners

[0:36:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): clint rowe crd uh the north salt spring waterworks and whomever else we would consider

[0:36:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): are major major members of major members um

[0:36:55] Voice 8: contributors those

[0:36:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): that are in the power of

[0:36:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): developing budgets and uh and and implementing actions um you know so there's gonna i i think

[0:37:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): the main list

[0:37:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): is there and then whoever else we need to um and i think there's one option that

[0:37:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): needs in specific especially to flynn road some of those higher recommendations like a water

[0:37:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): sustainability plan and so forth we already know flynn rowe has said that if that ever was to be

[0:37:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): considered it was regional salt spring and the other southern gulf islands which do fall into

[0:37:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): the same regional district and there are other attractive issues to that so i think that's a

[0:37:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): question that would be that instead of just referring the report i think we should refer

[0:37:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): the report with specific questions about that regional context is that a missing

[0:37:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): um option and one that should be added to the report because we we might as well you know if

[0:37:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): that is expected then we should have that as a you know it's a hard one we know water it's a

[0:38:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): really really hard one but if that's if that really is a possible future then we should

[0:38:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): acknowledge it and figure

[0:38:15] Voice 12: that out so that would be my recommendation that makes

[0:38:21] Voice 17: good sense to me

[0:38:22] Voice 17: thank you laura so we could we could add that as a third recommendation on the on these motions

[0:38:28] Voice 17: because i make

[0:38:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): a referral yeah i'm very comfortable

[0:38:31] Voice 17: with one and two no

[0:38:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'd actually say

[0:38:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): not receive it i would refer instead i would alternate alternate one and that we refer it

[0:38:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): the comments before we you know so we receive it with comments i think i'm

[0:38:46] Voice 17: not sure i understand

[0:38:47] Voice 17: the nicety of that i'm the thankless we have received because it's here and we're talking

[0:38:52] Voice 17: about it i don't know when

[0:38:53] Voice 3: it's on our agenda we've received it by default right

[0:38:56] Voice 17: that kind of

[0:38:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): notion is irrelevant um certainly referring it to other agencies is an appropriate yeah direction

[0:39:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I'm just wondering at this point how to proceed.

[0:39:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): Staff still would like to continue on

[0:39:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): with reporting on this, I believe.

[0:39:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): And we've heard now from the chair,

[0:39:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): so we'll just move back to staff

[0:39:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): to approve their report.

[0:39:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, I did the First Nations issue.

[0:39:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): First Nations issue, that's kind of not respectful.

[0:39:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): First Nations element of the question,

[0:39:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): the strategic plan we we will need to take effort make effort and i think some of that

[0:39:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): effort needs more to come from this table in community community conversations

[0:39:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): um i know i learned a great deal spending time with lyaxin just a couple weeks ago

[0:39:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): um i you know it's it's we're gonna have to to to lean into that figure some of that out and um uh

[0:40:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah. So seeing as you've

[0:40:10] Voice 5: raised that, you know, I read that section in the report carefully because

[0:40:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): I think, as you expressed, you know, we had a quite honestly, a joyful time with our First Nations in the Cedars-Salem, Delta Sea area by simply getting together with them and meeting with them and traveling around the area.

[0:40:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): And certainly that's a bit more broad than what may be necessary here.

[0:40:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): But by looking at the language in the report, I think that we're stuck in this paradigm of our own making,

[0:40:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): in our own expectations about consulting with the nation, when I think actually we just simply need to talk to each other.

[0:41:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): um and then from that talking to each other we will and certainly around some subject matter

[0:41:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): to have a focus but it will become apparent what our common interests are um and and certainly what

[0:41:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): their interests are because i don't

[0:41:19] Voice 26: honestly

[0:41:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): i think the answer is i don't know we don't know

[0:41:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): what their expectations would be with respect to this type of engagement.

[0:41:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): Because I think the Islands Trust is actually sort of breaking the mold

[0:41:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): or creating a new mold of ways of engaging with First Nations

[0:41:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): that haven't been done before.

[0:41:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): So agencies are not familiar, necessarily comfortable with that.

[0:41:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): that. First Nations are,

[0:41:53] Voice 7: I can't speak for them.

[0:41:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): We need to represent ourselves as genuine,

[0:42:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): honest, committed to that engagement. So I think Laura's right. Some of that needs to happen from

[0:42:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): here, but with these other agencies that we're asking to approach this conversation. And it is

[0:42:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's going to be time consuming, perhaps costly,

[0:42:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): but it's just so very necessary in the work that we're trying to do in order

[0:42:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): to live up to our commitment to reconciliation and advance the work of the

[0:42:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): illness trust and create the opportunity for a holistic embracing of

[0:42:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): meaningful conversations.

[0:42:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): conversations. So I read that part. And that was my sort of gut feeling impression. And I'm not

[0:42:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): sure how we achieve that. But in many respects, some of this is I think we just maybe need to

[0:43:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): create an opportunity as we did on previous create an opportunity to engage with the relevant

[0:43:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): nations to just simply get together and have a conversation. And admittedly, that requires trust

[0:43:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): trust uh on everybody's part in order to be able to dedicate the time and resources to be able to

[0:43:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): have those conversations which i appreciate is uh in short supply and difficult for many nations

[0:43:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): because of course there's so many issues and and so many other levels of government including

[0:43:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): including the province that are wanting to engage with first nations so it's a challenging landscape

[0:43:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): but the work is very worthy so that's just on that topic i

[0:43:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): understand i mean there's a lot of

[0:43:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): good to build on yeah we

[0:43:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): know that a number of organizations on salt spring are building good

[0:43:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): relationships with sanich leadership council on grant applications and so forth so um i think

[0:44:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): and you know we got the restoration work that's happening down in berkeley bay um you know so i

[0:44:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think there's lots of good that we can build on and part of the strategic

[0:44:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): plan could be to just dive into how did those happen?

[0:44:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): How did those, how did those opportunities get developed?

[0:44:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): And, you know,

[0:44:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): so we can kind of build in the how to move forward part into the strategic

[0:44:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): plan rather than fear from it. We're not going to get it right.

[0:44:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think that's, I love what John Jack says. We got to try.

[0:44:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): We're going to make mistakes. So let's just keep moving.

[0:44:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): them

[0:44:35] Voice 17: so chair may i suggest for the here and now i'm dealing with this i mean i'm happy with where

[0:44:41] Voice 17: we're at that first um recommendation we should add to it and refer these um to other agencies

[0:44:51] Voice 17: and including first nations oh yeah and then i quite

[0:44:58] Voice 12: or

[0:45:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): i would i

[0:45:04] Voice 17: think sorry i think we need

[0:45:05] Voice 17: to list the actual agencies yes whatever they are so can we do that i

[0:45:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): mean my only i think we're i'm

[0:45:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): just trying to acknowledge not not that saying referring to first nations is a good thing

[0:45:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): i mean it's a good thing but without the context without the the the the that element of what are

[0:45:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): we where we're trying to go i think it's the strategic plan piece that um will resolve more

[0:45:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): or the governance issue going forward, so it's a quandary.

[0:45:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, no, I sort of agree with you there

[0:45:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): because my first impression of this report

[0:45:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): is not necessarily positive.

[0:45:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's internal.

[0:45:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah, it's internal.

[0:45:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): And perhaps there's language that is less than appropriate.

[0:45:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): And that's fine, we're learning, that's not a criticism.

[0:46:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): But I think that there does need to be something

[0:46:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): to pull it together to put it into context which i think is what you're suggesting um because even

[0:46:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): the the the idea that uh trust council has short uh funded uh the project by reducing from 75 to 60.

[0:46:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): um um that was a council that wasn't if i'm not if i'm not mistaken anyway the way that unfolded

[0:46:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): is that that was a budgetary uh requirement of which it was acknowledged that there were existing

[0:46:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): unspent funds that would be available to balance that out and so um it's not necessarily uh

[0:46:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): characterized um i'm thinking anyway in uh in um it's not it's fully anticipated this would be how

[0:46:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): it would unfold and i wonder whether or not that motion the second motion is even necessary because

[0:46:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): the intention was um that this would be funded and it was i believe recognized the council that

[0:46:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): there was additional funding available that we would be able to secure is that correct uh possibly

[0:47:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): but i wanted to um first i think i may have thought of a resolution for the three because

[0:47:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): i know i spoke with with jason we were talking about the regional context so when the province

[0:47:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): has mentioned the regional context of a water sustainability plan in terms of the the governance

[0:47:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): structure that we have built in front of us today where that does become interesting in the

[0:47:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): conversations with first nations is it could be a different region um the region could be a

[0:47:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): geographic region or something that's different than how we contrive it in our built system

[0:47:39] Voice 14: so

[0:47:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): i think that would be the conversation to have with with first nations in regard to the

[0:47:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): governance questions of of the regional question that's missing from the report is what would they

[0:47:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): consider you know a

[0:47:55] Voice 12: region for this conversation that gets interesting it's

[0:48:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): incredibly interesting

[0:48:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): because of course as we move forward if those voices were at the table what this how would

[0:48:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): our decisions be oh

[0:48:14] Voice 12: yeah no this isn't little no

[0:48:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah and um and so how do we advance in good faith

[0:48:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): knowing that those voices are not at this table well

[0:48:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): this is a i mean when it comes to a water

[0:48:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): sustainability planning flinro itself has reorganized recognizing this so um this is

[0:48:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): the question of where that water sustainability plan falls in the region that it's in is a

[0:48:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): conversation between more with with flinro and first nations and you know then it's the piece

[0:48:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): that falls onto Salt Spring.

[0:48:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): So it's just who leads the conversation.

[0:48:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah.

[0:48:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): So we're kind of back to the,

[0:48:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): we can be specific.

[0:48:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): Maybe we just stay with the regional question

[0:48:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): to start this conversation with Plinro,

[0:49:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): because I think to have that conversation

[0:49:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): with First Nations, we'd have to have Plinro with us.

[0:49:05] Voice 26: Right.

[0:49:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): On that type of question.

[0:49:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): Anyway, I can wing it.

[0:49:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): Do you want me to wing it?

[0:49:11] Voice 17: Yes, please.

[0:49:12] Voice 17: Do you

[0:49:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): want me to combine them?

[0:49:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[0:49:13] Voice 17: would combine them personally.

[0:49:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): Can I just add something else?

[0:49:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): just in case it has any relevance whatsoever um but just thinking about the remarks from the

[0:49:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): consultant about and i don't disagree um pulling back from the uh whatever the um notion is about

[0:49:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): the the the trademark of swipa and bringing it back underneath the umbrella of the honest trust

[0:49:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): us through the legislation, if I'm not mistaken, right, is that we have provided that opportunity

[0:49:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): to share that authority that we have is reflected in SWIPA, and they are an agent of the LTC.

[0:50:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so I think there's maybe a deeper understanding necessary to understand that that

[0:50:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): relationship is quite clearly defined and i think even purposeful it may be that it needs to change

[0:50:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): in some respect but i i um i think there's maybe some context with respect to the legislation that

[0:50:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): instead because even in your language there you said quasi you know whatever body however they are

[0:50:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): deliberate um body with some specific language um that council has provided that authority to

[0:50:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): if i'm not mistaken yeah council

[0:50:39] Voice 16: has delegated thank you the local trust committee the authority

[0:50:44] Voice 16: to coordinate yeah around issues of watershed stewardship and protection issues it it didn't

[0:50:52] Voice 16: go so far as to uh define for the local trust committee what that had to look like necessarily

[0:51:00] Voice 16: necessarily and so swipa was um devised through the local trust committee and staff into what it

[0:51:08] Voice 16: is today

[0:51:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): you know like yeah but

[0:51:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's a body that has been created in order to receive the

[0:51:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): delegation of authority of authority to undertake a specific task is that correct well the authority

[0:51:22] Voice 16: was delegated to the local trust committee yeah and the vehicle that the local trust committee

[0:51:29] Voice 16: has chosen to coordinate yeah

[0:51:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's okay it would just be good for that to be really clear

[0:51:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): because it seems to me there's questions about that and maybe it's clearer than generally

[0:51:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): understood but then that actually comes right back to the very point itself is that there's

[0:51:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): confusion or misunderstanding and assumptions about the authority that they don't have

[0:51:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so, indeed, I think we do need to be more explicit about that.

[0:51:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I just wanted to pass up as another thought.

[0:52:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well,

[0:52:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): no, that was why I wanted a strategic plan, basically a work plan that lays it out.

[0:52:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): And that's what my limited experience was.

[0:52:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): That was really missing.

[0:52:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): i mean they did some high level planning but they never dealt the cards you know i'm responsible for

[0:52:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): this crd is responsible for that and you know and we have to have it all part of our budgeting

[0:52:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): systems and it needs to work uh having a bit really we have wish lists and instead of real

[0:52:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): plans and that's what was missing yeah anyway

[0:52:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay i'll make a stab at a combined number one

[0:52:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): then i moved that salt spring island local trust committee received the situation analysis and

[0:52:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): options identification report included in appendix one in the staff report of april 19

[0:52:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): 2022 and we refer this report to now i'm sorry flynn row is not flynn row anymore

[0:53:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): if i or say the province maybe until we um whoever the new the new group in charge of

[0:53:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): water's

[0:53:08] Voice 11: name is okay

[0:53:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): well all right then i'll say uh flynn row north salt spring water works the c

[0:53:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): and crd for comment and consideration of regional options sounds

[0:53:31] Voice 17: good i'll second that so let's see

[0:53:33] Voice 26: that rob's

[0:53:34] Voice 12: got that technology's not being

[0:54:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): my friend but you're

[0:54:23] Voice 14: getting that yeah

[0:54:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): i guess i

[0:54:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): can see rob typing crazily over there so it's coming and when he's ready he'll get that on

[0:54:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): the screen or you could just simply read it out um whatever your

[0:54:35] Voice 12: choices okay so

[0:55:03] Voice 17: it is i'm referred

[0:55:05] Voice 17: to flimro and ocean salt spring waterworks and the crd both comment and consideration of regional

[0:55:13] Voice 17: options

[0:55:14] Voice 3: okay

[0:55:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): so that's the addition to the motion that's in the package so moved and seconded up

[0:55:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): Peter Grove. Thank you. Any discussion? Or you wish to speak to the motion? Then I'll call for the vote. All those in favor? So that carries unanimously. Thank you. Any further thoughts on the recommendations or the motions?

[0:55:40] Voice 17: Did we conclude that we actually don't need that second recommendation?

[0:55:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, I don't know. Regional Planning Manager Cermak or Dave Planet Yeomans? Is this necessary?

[0:55:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): necessary. I

[0:55:51] Voice 16: think we

[0:55:53] Voice 16: would appreciate the clarity. Namely, I mean, we work off of the

[0:55:57] Voice 16: minutes of the meetings, right? So I would move

[0:56:00] Voice 17: that the Salt Swing Item Local Trust Committee

[0:56:02] Voice 17: continue to fund the SWIFR coordinator up to $60,000 for fiscal 2022-23 and authorize spending

[0:56:09] Voice 17: up to $11,660 from unspent special property tax requisitions fund from previous fiscal years to

[0:56:16] Voice 17: cover super's meetings events and communication costs so

[0:56:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): moved and seconded by laura patrick

[0:56:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): and that's the motion uh included in the report there's any discussion laura patrick um which

[0:56:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): might end up meaning to be an additional resolution knowing our budget year is going to be

[0:56:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): coming starting again before we can blink um that if we were to fully pull this internal that could

[0:56:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): could mean the end of the special tax requisition.

[0:56:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): So we will need to give some consideration to,

[0:56:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): and I think this is a federation question

[0:57:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): about the coordinating function.

[0:57:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): The secretariat money they have is peanuts, $1,000.

[0:57:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): We can't coordinate these things

[0:57:11] Voice 17: for that kind of money.

[0:57:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): So it's a big question.

[0:57:15] Voice 17: I was thinking the same thing, thanks Nora.

[0:57:18] Voice 17: um but i actually you know if we want something on salisbury island the trust council doesn't we can

[0:57:24] Voice 17: still raise it by special risk correct

[0:57:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): but i think we should raise this issue flag it so that it

[0:57:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): starts getting considered into the budget process in conversations sooner than later um yeah

[0:57:38] Voice 17: that's

[0:57:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): all yeah so

[0:57:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): i don't know if a separate motion i actually

[0:57:45] Voice 17: don't think it is um because of that

[0:57:46] Voice 17: will just be um a phase that country if you like but it's it doesn't as i said it doesn't uh mean

[0:57:53] Voice 17: that we can't raise that specific resource yeah

[0:57:57] Voice 26: uh jason killman sure

[0:58:01] Voice 16: through the chair trustee

[0:58:02] Voice 16: patrick are you contemplating um like a staff person who potentially would work region-wide

[0:58:10] Voice 16: then right rather than just on salts right they're just going to work on salt spring it probably has

[0:58:16] Voice 16: to be funded through the special property tax requisition if they're going to have a wider

[0:58:22] Voice 16: wider land well i suppose that's not entirely true yeah i

[0:58:27] Voice 16: work only on well that's not funded

[0:58:29] Voice 16: through special properties

[0:58:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): yeah well so i think i think the question is i think it just needs to be

[0:58:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): dealt with this coordination i think this report raises issues that need to be learned from a

[0:58:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): federation level

[0:58:40] Voice 3: i'm not sure yeah i'm just this is a difficult thing to think about

[0:58:48] Voice 3: well you

[0:58:50] Voice 17: have staff for yeah uh

[0:58:51] Voice 17: mr chair so we talked about this internally what the implications

[0:58:55] Voice 17: of this may be and i would like to echo the concerns of timing that if you are considering

[0:59:02] Voice 17: in-house as envisioned here that a business case be considered drafted for august i would put that

[0:59:09] Voice 17: is your timeline to give you a rough idea the reason for that is time to um kick it to the

[0:59:15] Voice 17: fsc and go through the whole process no decisions have to be made till october november december

[0:59:20] Voice 17: but it gets the conversation going and that means staff have the next um couple months in order to

[0:59:27] Voice 17: begin those conversations what does that look like and there's many implications i hope you

[0:59:32] Voice 17: don't mind me extolling a bit but when we consider staff time you have a contractor who's who has

[0:59:38] Voice 17: exclusive time is to coordinating if they become in-house then they have to be absorbed into the

[0:59:43] Voice 17: in-house processes that we all go through for meetings and the other and and annually you can

[0:59:49] Voice 17: see that that's about a 20 percent loss of focus on that and instead they become part of the

[0:59:54] Voice 17: that's the limitation and all the things that that involves so it's there are implications which should be discussed

[1:00:00] Voice 17: if you want to go that way and so my recommendation basically is to say you want staff to work on that

[1:00:06] Voice 17: come to the ltc in the july meeting in order to get to the august and pc so there's timing

[1:00:12] Voice 17: yeah

[1:00:13] Voice 12: you

[1:00:18] Voice 4: know i uh i'm trying to reflect on the history of this

[1:00:23] Voice 4: when it was originally brought to council um and

[1:00:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): i think if we bring it internal into the

[1:00:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): the Salt Spring Island LTC, ostensibly it just becomes another project on the list.

[1:00:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): And indeed, you need to develop a business case for that, and it would get done as any other

[1:00:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): project would. And I think there was very specific reasons for approaching this through the tax

[1:00:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): requisition and through the establishment of that agency in order to be sure, as I think you

[1:01:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): provide there that the work gets done um without drawing away in the limited resources we already

[1:01:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): have and

[1:01:15] Voice 5: certainly also not

[1:01:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): the implications of and or coordinating whatever this is my call it

[1:01:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): but um we really have to reflect on that carefully and then of course we need to draw

[1:01:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): council into that conversation as well um because it's i think it's relatively easy for council to

[1:01:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): say we can continue with the tax requisition as you see fit because it's only impacting salt

[1:01:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): spring if you start drawing that into the broader budget and maybe other concerns but that said

[1:01:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): you know salt springs needs are equally as valuable as anywhere else and

[1:02:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): and salt springs needs should be funded accordingly so laura well

[1:02:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): a good strategic plan is going to

[1:02:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): solve this issue what are we funding yeah and so you

[1:02:09] Voice 10: know this will buy

[1:02:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): we'll have some time

[1:02:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): hopefully you can get all these pieces to come together this year that would be my grand desire

[1:02:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): um and not be here a year from now having that conversation again so anyway i think no more i

[1:02:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): don't have any further discussion on this motion okay

[1:02:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): do you so this motion is on the table moved

[1:02:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): and seconded so just call the water all those in favor that carries is there anything further we

[1:02:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): want to discuss with respect to this well

[1:02:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): i guess we can either wait a month or direct i mean this

[1:02:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): conversation of internal coordination maybe it's a little early maybe we can solve it through the

[1:02:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): strategic plan so okay and

[1:02:46] Voice 17: chair i need five minutes six brief okay

[1:02:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): so let me just let's

[1:02:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): do that before you go jason did you have anything further to report to us i saw it i think there was

[1:02:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): an opportunity that you gave to us to speak on what we'd heard and there's more to come or are

[1:03:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): you done no that's that's you've certainly covered all three of the

[1:03:04] Voice 16: topics in the staff report um if

[1:03:07] Voice 16: if i were left with anything that i might like to hear a little bit more on it is this um question

[1:03:14] Voice 16: of the tension between how to meaningfully engage nations in our work while at the same time

[1:03:21] Voice 16: trying to advance the work in a conventional sort of timeline. And I don't know if there's an

[1:03:31] Voice 16: answer. I mean, conciliation efforts mean a lot to you and they mean a lot to us and we want to do

[1:03:39] Voice 16: our best but we are also muddling through because the work the work continues to need to be advanced

[1:03:47] Voice 16: at the same time as we're just taking baby steps to develop relationships and

[1:03:51] Voice 16: so that's

[1:03:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's the paradigm shift and um you're absolutely right and we need to have those

[1:04:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): conversations of figuring out how to get that because it's not clear so let's uh recess for

[1:04:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): five minutes and then we'll come back and i'm presuming at this point we'll pick up

[1:04:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): where we left off which was at 8.1 the ganges village planning and also note that the ganges

[1:04:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): task force chair is here and um so i'll just ask jenny if you have a verbal report you want

[1:04:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): to provide so

[1:04:26] Voice 14: then i'll let

[1:04:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): you lead off with your verbal report and then we'll go

[1:04:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): to uh the planner to uh introduce the uh public engagement plan so we'll just wait for peter to

[1:04:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): come back and uh we'll uh

[1:04:39] Voice 3: resume so we'll just reset that's for five minutes you

[1:04:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): noticed i

[1:04:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): changed the name to salt spring lpc rather chair like i'm speaking all the time with different

[1:05:05] voices well and i was going to turn you off

[1:05:08] Voice 3: and just run everything from that computer

[1:05:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): oh um yeah i think in fact i

[1:05:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): don't even need to have that up really yeah

[1:05:18] Voice 17: well that's and i think

[1:05:19] Voice 17: we're overwhelming the yeah

[1:05:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): exactly so no i'm fine with that because i work off of this my agenda

[1:05:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): and um i've got my package open as a pdf yeah so that's going to increase our bandwidth bandwidth

[1:05:34] Voice 3: so maybe i

[1:05:35] Voice 3: should just disconnect so i'm not even collecting email

[1:05:37] Voice 3: out to the others. Jennifer, if you can hear me in your screenshot.

[1:05:54] Voice 2: Hi Rob, how are you? Rob, can you hear me? Rob, can you hear me okay? Hi Rob.

[1:06:11] Voice 10: Hi

[1:06:12] Voice 13: Jennifer, I can hear you but I'm on the Zoom meeting so let me see if I can connect with Rob

[1:06:19] Voice 13: by a message oh thank you we

[1:06:22] Voice 17: can hear you now both i've made some adjustments internally so you are

[1:06:27] Voice 17: very able to be heard when your presentation begins and just wondering if you can start

[1:06:33] Voice 17: your screen share yeah

[1:06:36] Voice 19: i'll turn my video on in a moment i'm just got a baby here i'm breastfeeding

[1:06:42] Voice 19: him let's see

[1:06:43] Voice 17: oh sorry it's more about the screen share than the video yeah so that we can make it

[1:06:48] Voice 17: that needs to go to a full screen if possible well

[1:06:56] Voice 19: i'm gonna leave it like this if it is it

[1:06:59] Voice 19: possible to leave it like this because i will be um i also have some notes that i want to be

[1:07:04] Voice 19: referring to but if what

[1:07:07] Voice 17: i see right now it's very

[1:07:10] Voice 17: small on our on our projector

[1:07:12] Voice 17: good so

[1:07:13] Voice 12: that's

[1:07:14] Voice 17: making it what you're doing right now larger anything you can do to add to the width

[1:07:22] Voice 17: of that you would appreciate it one second here let's try this

[1:07:31] Voice 17: does

[1:07:32] Voice 19: that help yes that's good

[1:07:36] Voice 17: right like that oh

[1:07:37] Voice 19: perfect that's

[1:07:38] Voice 17: enough oh

[1:07:39] Voice 19: great all

[1:07:40] Voice 17: right i think it's

[1:07:41] Voice 19: good and if i click if i

[1:07:44] Voice 19: like like this it works so

[1:07:47] Voice 17: who do i call this

[1:08:01] Voice 17: regarding her work with the task force and then uh planner garbo will begin

[1:08:07] Voice 17: Again, or, or standing by,

[1:08:16] Voice 19: sorry, I'm going

[1:08:19] Voice 12: to mute you.

[1:08:52] Voice 12: Yeah, that's actually what happens to everybody here, as long as you're shopping,

[1:09:03] Voice 24: because people are

[1:09:04] Voice 10: on fire.

[1:09:10] Voice 10: I think it's

[1:09:15] Voice 15: certainly a special time for Santa

[1:09:23] Voice 18: in a way.

[1:09:26] Voice 18: If

[1:09:26] Voice 17: you were waiting for me.

[1:09:36] Voice 17: Just

[1:09:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): making sure.

[1:09:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): Laura Patrick.

[1:09:49] Voice 3: that so

[1:09:50] Voice 16: let's reconvene

[1:09:56] Voice 12: yep

[1:10:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): uh we're gonna reconvene here and jenny maybe i'll uh so just for the audience that's uh

[1:10:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): listening and watching um we rejigged the agenda a little bit here in order to accommodate

[1:10:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): availability of staff and otherwise and um so we've concluded the conversation at 8.3 of the

[1:10:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): water sustainability uh report staff report and we're going to double back now to um the um

[1:10:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): verbal report from the um ganges village planning task force and jenny mcclain i'll ask you to uh

[1:10:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): step up and speak up so that the recording can hear you and uh and that we can hear you and then

[1:10:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): we're going to go to the ganges village plan uh public engagement with uh planner louisa garbo

[1:10:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): hi trustees

[1:10:51] Voice 18: um and staff since the last time i was here we had our workshop at the last weekend

[1:10:58] Voice 18: of march and so i'll just report about that and it'll lead to that to the others so the workshop

[1:11:05] Voice 18: was very successful it was probably the most successful working time that we've had so far

[1:11:11] Voice 18: and we also had new members involving with us there and we have a little different points of

[1:11:18] Voice 18: of you coming in with uh thoughts that are coming in from the business community as well as the arts

[1:11:25] Voice 18: community and i think that it really freshened us up because when uh it's the first time really

[1:11:32] Voice 18: thinking about more the positives about ganges and you know a lot of people on salt spring when

[1:11:39] Voice 18: they talk about ganges they just talk about all the unsolvable problems of ganges and it puts them

[1:11:46] Voice 18: into a bit of a bad mood but when you see people with sort of explaining visions and really

[1:11:53] Voice 18: interesting places that can go forward and ideas and excitement and really looking at uh like the

[1:12:01] Voice 18: reasons like why do so many people bring their boats into ganges harbor and come to ganges even

[1:12:06] Voice 18: if we don't see it ourselves there's reasons why it's a very special town so i found the workshop

[1:12:12] Voice 18: really uplifting and a lot of new energy for us and we also got a lot of things done that we had

[1:12:20] Voice 18: been blocked on before so we worked on things uh with the facilitation of ahini studio lewis who

[1:12:27] Voice 18: worked really well with us and we did that without running into the same obstacles that we did before

[1:12:35] Voice 18: because we discussed the vision statement quite a bit at length and we got some really good ideas

[1:12:40] Voice 18: is and we worked on area boundaries and these were issues that weren't happening for us before so we

[1:12:47] Voice 18: we really made a lot of progress and i'm looking forward to meeting with the group again on thursday

[1:12:53] Voice 18: so that's that's my report thank

[1:12:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): you well thank you very much that's uh really good news um

[1:12:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's just unless there's any questions for the chair we'll go to uh planner louisa garbo

[1:13:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): for the Ganges

[1:13:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): Shira Sagt Village

[1:13:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): Planning. Thank you,

[1:13:12] Voice 15: Chair, and good morning, Trustees.

[1:13:15] Voice 15: I don't have a lot to say other

[1:13:17] Voice 15: than just defer to the consultant.

[1:13:19] Voice 15: They are here to give you

[1:13:20] Voice 15: an update on the

[1:13:23] Voice 15: engagement process.

[1:13:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, and they're coming in

[1:13:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): by Zoom here?

[1:13:28] Voice 15: Yes. Okay.

[1:13:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): And is it, who is it?

[1:13:33] Voice 15: I believe it's Jennifer

[1:13:35] Voice 15: Fix that's going to be presenting.

[1:13:38] Voice 15: So it's

[1:13:39] Voice 25: Jennifer Fix, is it?

[1:13:40] Voice 25: Yeah.

[1:13:41] Voice 25: Okay.

[1:13:42] Voice 25: So if you can hear us, Jennifer, the floor is yours, so to speak.

[1:13:49] Voice 19: Wonderful.

[1:13:49] Voice 19: Thanks so much.

[1:13:51] Voice 19: Thanks, Louisa, for the introduction.

[1:13:53] Voice 19: Thank you, Jenny, for the wonderful synopsis of the workshop.

[1:13:57] Voice 19: And just want to thank everyone for the opportunity to speak with you today.

[1:14:02] Voice 19: We also wish to extend a congratulations to you for reaching this very exciting milestone

[1:14:09] Voice 19: known in the process want to congratulate and thank the task force for their insights

[1:14:16] Voice 19: for the islands trust salt spring island planning team for their wonderful guidance and collaboration

[1:14:22] Voice 19: and of course acknowledge and thank the community for the the time and the energy that they've

[1:14:27] Voice 19: invested in this process so i understand you have a jam-packed agenda today so i'll be brief i'll

[1:14:33] Voice 19: zip through these slides fairly quickly and then would be happy to answer any questions

[1:14:38] Voice 19: I also wish to acknowledge that I'm joined today by my colleague, Lucas Alsos Mongeau.

[1:14:44] Voice 19: He facilitated that workshop that was described a couple of weeks ago and led many of the engagement events.

[1:14:51] Voice 19: So if there are specific questions, he's here to answer them as well.

[1:14:55] Voice 19: So today I'll quickly walk through how we engaged, who we engaged and what we heard.

[1:15:01] Voice 19: And I know you have a fairly lengthy report to get into the details.

[1:15:06] Voice 19: so I'll keep it at a fairly high level and at a kind of at that summary level as well.

[1:15:10] Voice 19: So the first thing I'll walk us through is why we're engaging. So it was predominantly to launch

[1:15:18] Voice 19: the engagement process for the village area plan exercise. We hadn't yet heard extensively from the

[1:15:23] Voice 19: community and this was our opportunity to do that. We launched this engagement in order to inform the

[1:15:30] Voice 19: development of the vision, the objectives, and the overall plan. And finally, we engage because we

[1:15:37] Voice 19: acknowledge that people have a right to participate in processes and planning exercises that impact

[1:15:43] Voice 19: their lives. We also acknowledge and recognize that people are experts in their lived experience

[1:15:49] Voice 19: of their community, and therefore everyone has expertise to offer to a process like this. And as

[1:15:55] Voice 19: such, people's participation strengthens the planning process. We also know if people are

[1:16:00] Voice 19: engaged in a process, they're more likely to want to see that plan come to life and to help

[1:16:06] Voice 19: implement it. So how we engaged, we started out by creating an identity for the project. And I

[1:16:14] Voice 19: have to acknowledge the good work of HCMA in doing this work with us. So what we did is created

[1:16:20] Voice 19: created a kind of a visual identity is a concept of Gamgee's gathers and this is a concept that

[1:16:27] Voice 19: emphasizes the community value of coming together it's also a call to action for people to come

[1:16:32] Voice 19: together to share their ideas and we developed this based on the direction and the input from

[1:16:37] Voice 19: the task force we'd like to thank them for that and so it was important for for you we know and

[1:16:42] Voice 19: for the broader team to reach as many people as possible to reach everyone ideally on on the

[1:16:47] Voice 19: island so postcards were developed this is a picture of a postcard that was mailed out to

[1:16:54] Voice 19: every single home address on the island we also had them in different high traffic locations around

[1:17:01] Voice 19: the village there were posters that were posted around in high traffic locations we had newspaper

[1:17:06] Voice 19: advertisements in the islands driftwood as well as the community exchange paper website was updated

[1:17:12] Voice 19: with information and links to the survey and then emails were sent out to community agencies and

[1:17:17] Voice 19: groups so we did touch a lot of different bases there in terms of the promotions and the outreach

[1:17:24] Voice 19: we kicked off the process with a community survey it ran for several weeks starting in mid-november

[1:17:30] Voice 19: over 98 percent of participants who provided their postal code live on island so we know

[1:17:37] Voice 19: he really captured the input of people who reside on salt spring island which is great

[1:17:41] Voice 19: and we'll walk through some of these details shortly what we heard we had 550 people fill

[1:17:47] Voice 19: out the online survey and three people fill out a hard copy version of the survey. We also hosted an

[1:17:55] Voice 19: ideas fair. This was an in-person event with lots of different stations that allowed people to

[1:18:00] Voice 19: engage through activities ranging from mapping to brainstorm sessions on how to make Salt Spring

[1:18:05] Voice 19: Island or rather the village more inclusive to address climate action and we had about 30 folks

[1:18:13] Voice 19: attend this drop-in event at the library in early December. We also recognize that not everyone has

[1:18:18] Voice 19: the time or the interest or the literacy necessarily to come out to events like that

[1:18:23] Voice 19: so we had various pop-up stations around the village where passers-by who were just you know

[1:18:29] Voice 19: in the public realm going to the grocery store walking down the street had the chance to

[1:18:33] Voice 19: participate and we heard from about 100 people through the through these efforts we also wanted

[1:18:39] Voice 19: to hear from people who might not uh come out or perspectives that we might not normally hear might

[1:18:45] Voice 19: might get diluted in a process like this. So we worked with Salt Spring Island Community Services

[1:18:50] Voice 19: to connect with under house people. So these are folks who are dealing with homelessness,

[1:18:55] Voice 19: people who might be dealing with addictions, mental health challenges or inadequate

[1:18:59] Voice 19: income and supports. We met with them in the meadow. We had a an hour long conversation,

[1:19:05] Voice 19: we gleaned some really powerful insights through that process as well. And then we held two walk

[1:19:12] Voice 19: shops where people had the opportunity to register and provide their input while walking through the

[1:19:18] Voice 19: village itself. And we heard lots of really interesting insights and values through this

[1:19:23] Voice 19: exercise. Finally, we wanted to hear specifically from agencies and organizations who represent

[1:19:30] Voice 19: broader demographics and different perspectives. We heard from 15 different community agencies

[1:19:39] Voice 19: participated across six sessions virtually uh on this uh for this for this engagement

[1:19:44] Voice 19: and then finally a series of um interactive activities were shared with the middle and

[1:19:52] Voice 19: secondary schools in sorry elementary and middle schools in salt spring island so that students

[1:19:57] Voice 19: could provide their input into the process so we are very broad in our reach and also very deep in

[1:20:03] Voice 19: in the sense that we got some very specific

[1:20:06] Voice 19: and focused input from some demographic groups.

[1:20:09] Voice 19: So who we reached, as I mentioned,

[1:20:11] Voice 19: it was a broad engagement,

[1:20:13] Voice 19: reached over 800 participants.

[1:20:16] Voice 19: And then we reached-

[1:20:17] Voice 19: Jennifer,

[1:20:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): we missed about two minutes

[1:20:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): or a minute there probably of what you said,

[1:20:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): you were cut off for some reason.

[1:20:25] Voice 19: Oh, where did I leave off?

[1:20:27] Voice 19: Where was it?

[1:20:27] Voice 19: Was it, can I start here?

[1:20:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): Just when you wrapped up

[1:20:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): with respect to the elementary

[1:20:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): and middle school students?

[1:20:35] Voice 19: Sure.

[1:20:36] Voice 19: We heard from about 90 students through this process where we had delivered interactive

[1:20:42] Voice 19: activity sheets to allow elementary and middle school students to participate and have their

[1:20:48] Voice 19: input.

[1:20:48] Voice 19: So this is just an example of one of the completed sheets that we received back from them.

[1:20:54] Voice 19: So in terms of

[1:20:56] Voice 19: who we reached, so over 800 participants, we heard broadly from the community

[1:21:02] Voice 19: And then we heard, as I mentioned, from, you know, from specific demographics and specific groups.

[1:21:07] Voice 19: We heard from all ages. This chart is showing the survey participation versus the expected age distribution based on Statistics Canada.

[1:21:18] Voice 19: It was fairly representative with the exception of, I would say, the most elderly people.

[1:21:22] Voice 19: So people over the age of over 85 are underrepresented, as well as people under the age of 24 and specifically under the age of 18.

[1:21:31] Voice 19: So this is just the survey and we knew this was, this is often the case with surveys, which is why we rolled out those youth engagement exercises to ensure that we captured the input from that demographic.

[1:21:42] Voice 19: We know we heard from renters and homeowners, we heard from business owners and employees both, and we heard from equity denied groups as well.

[1:21:50] Voice 19: So what did we hear? So interestingly, certainly there are some nuance across some of the engagements.

[1:21:56] Voice 19: So for example, when we met when we have that conversation circle with under house folks we heard some specific input that we didn't hear as much, and some of the other activities, but generally speaking across all the various activities.

[1:22:09] Voice 19: There are some consistent themes that emerge and these are the ones I'm going to walk through right now.

[1:22:14] Voice 19: now. So the first one is about a walkable village. So people really value walking connections that

[1:22:21] Voice 19: bring people to other people in the village and that bring people to places of green space and

[1:22:27] Voice 19: nature. People enjoy walking through the village, bumping into neighbors, and taking in the village

[1:22:33] Voice 19: life on foot. At the same time, people feel the village is far too car-centric. People say that

[1:22:39] Voice 19: it's hostile to pedestrians, it's unsafe, there's too much congestion. Others indicate that parking

[1:22:45] Voice 19: should be better managed. The majority of people speaking about parking think there should be less

[1:22:51] Voice 19: parking or it should be moved outside of the center, whereas some people feel like there isn't

[1:22:56] Voice 19: enough or that parking isn't accessible enough. In looking to the future, people want priority to be

[1:23:04] Voice 19: given to travel by foot or by bicycle or by wheelchair. People want to have a safe, accessible

[1:23:09] Voice 19: and delightful pedestrian experience in the village and they see that this leads to an

[1:23:14] Voice 19: enriched public life. There's more public life happening on sidewalks and streets and public

[1:23:18] Voice 19: spaces. We also heard about affordable housing so we asked about people's priorities in the survey,

[1:23:24] Voice 19: the online survey. We also asked about people's priorities in the pop-ups and in the ideas fair

[1:23:28] Voice 19: and across the board people indicated affordable housing as being a top priority and also a

[1:23:33] Voice 19: significant concern and the groups that people most frequently mention that affordable housing

[1:23:38] Voice 19: is needed for are families, seniors, young people, artists, and as well as others, like people who

[1:23:44] Voice 19: are working in the village. People frequently mention the need for rental, non-market, low

[1:23:48] Voice 19: income, and seniors housing. Related to that, but separate, is just the need generally for village

[1:23:55] Voice 19: housing. People connect the dots between having more people living in the village and meeting a

[1:24:01] Voice 19: myriad of goals, ranging from having employees for local business to creating more choices for

[1:24:07] Voice 19: transportation. So more people living in the village mean more people can walk to and from

[1:24:12] Voice 19: destinations in the village. It supports local businesses and they want to see an active night

[1:24:16] Voice 19: life. So people are connecting the dots between those goals and having more village housing.

[1:24:20] Voice 19: And then people often reference this idea of having homes above commercial spaces.

[1:24:26] Voice 19: We also heard a lot about public life and gathering spaces. So these are favorite places

[1:24:30] Voice 19: where people like to connect with other people with local culture. And these spaces are quite

[1:24:35] Voice 19: diverse they can be um you know small sitting areas like those near the treehouse to the

[1:24:40] Voice 19: boardwalk to broader public parks uh people looking ahead want more spaces to informally

[1:24:46] Voice 19: gather outdoors so these are park streets and potentially a new um or central gathering space

[1:24:51] Voice 19: like a village square uh people want to mingle in these spaces take in events and art celebrate

[1:24:57] Voice 19: local food uh and there's also can less to less degree uh we heard this but we did hear the need

[1:25:04] Voice 19: for indoor community spaces so for example youth want more indoor youth spaces to hang out we also

[1:25:09] Voice 19: heard from in that conversation circle this idea of having a community kitchen or maker space for

[1:25:14] Voice 19: people who are under housed or under serviced in the community to come and feel welcomed in

[1:25:21] Voice 19: related to this gathering space is this idea of green spaces and natural landscapes people

[1:25:26] Voice 19: currently value those that exist there today as places for gathering respite habitat active play

[1:25:33] Voice 19: recreation, performances, events, but they also say that some of these spaces are unkempt and they

[1:25:39] Voice 19: need better maintenance. People looking ahead want more trees for shade and beauty, they want more

[1:25:44] Voice 19: spaces for being in nature, and they envision healthy restored natural landscapes and habitat

[1:25:50] Voice 19: areas, lots of reference to indigenous species of plants. This stands alone as a topic rather

[1:25:57] Voice 19: than being folded into the other themes of gathering spaces and green spaces because it

[1:26:03] Voice 19: came out so strongly we heard it very frequently in terms of the assets the things that are

[1:26:09] Voice 19: cherished so it's important and a long-standing community gathering space near the water

[1:26:13] Voice 19: this is important for everyone and we heard it as well from the under house people it's an important

[1:26:18] Voice 19: space for them as well so it's among the most cherished it's also among the most challenged

[1:26:24] Voice 19: places in the villages so as many people who said it was a cherished space those people also said

[1:26:29] Voice 19: it's got its fair share of challenges. People cite issues of safety and comfort with activities

[1:26:35] Voice 19: of drinking, drugs, off-leash dogs, perceived aggressive behaviors. These are things that

[1:26:40] Voice 19: people are concerned about and specifically concerned when it relates to bringing their

[1:26:45] Voice 19: families, for example, to Centennial Park. Local businesses are greatly valued. People see them as

[1:26:53] Voice 19: as being important for social exchanges,

[1:26:56] Voice 19: enjoying food and drink, taking in music and culture.

[1:26:59] Voice 19: They think it's important for just having a lively village

[1:27:02] Voice 19: and it builds the character

[1:27:04] Voice 19: and sense of identity of the village.

[1:27:06] Voice 19: And even going so far as saying

[1:27:07] Voice 19: that some businesses are almost iconic

[1:27:10] Voice 19: in the way that they add to the community's identity.

[1:27:14] Voice 19: People want more businesses in the future.

[1:27:16] Voice 19: They want a high diversity of shops and destinations

[1:27:18] Voice 19: and people generally want to support local people

[1:27:21] Voice 19: and local products. The waterfront and the boardwalk. So people really cherish the harbor

[1:27:28] Voice 19: setting of the village. People speak of the views, the natural habitat, the sensorial experience of

[1:27:33] Voice 19: the water, the smell, the sights, the touch, the sounds, the marina and the docks. And people love

[1:27:40] Voice 19: the respite, the quiet moments, and they also really love the busyness and the vibrancy of the

[1:27:44] Voice 19: waterfront. People want better access to the water and along the water. And many, many people

[1:27:52] Voice 19: mentioned the need to complete a boardwalk that came up very very strongly and people want better

[1:27:57] Voice 19: views and more opportunities to linger and spend time at the water and finally village character

[1:28:02] Voice 19: people really value the unique character of the village though people aren't necessarily in

[1:28:07] Voice 19: agreement around what that is some people talk about it as being historic small scale having

[1:28:12] Voice 19: that small town atmosphere others describe it as quirky whimsical organic and for these reasons

[1:28:17] Voice 19: um it feels authentic and unpretentious uh people want to strengthen the character looking ahead and

[1:28:24] Voice 19: people recognize the importance of building character and the built form and the overall

[1:28:28] Voice 19: streetscape experience in the character of the village and there are a number of other themes

[1:28:33] Voice 19: that emerge less strongly but still definitely prevalent and i'll just quickly zip through them

[1:28:37] Voice 19: people uh want to see genuine reconciliation decolonization and increased presence of

[1:28:43] Voice 19: Indigenous peoples and knowledge in the village. They want it to be vibrant all day, including into

[1:28:48] Voice 19: the evenings, the nights, and all year long. They want it to be cleaner and better maintained.

[1:28:53] Voice 19: An example that was frequently mentioned is Gasoline Alley. People want more or improved

[1:29:00] Voice 19: public realm amenities like seating, waste receptacles, toilets, public toilets that are open

[1:29:05] Voice 19: like 24 hours. People want a better sense of safety, and this is specifically for children

[1:29:13] Voice 19: and families often. People want to see continued support for the public library. They see it as a

[1:29:18] Voice 19: vital inclusive community asset. They want it to keep going on as it is in its current form.

[1:29:24] Voice 19: People want to see more public and creative spaces, venues for arts and artists. People want

[1:29:33] Voice 19: to have an overall sense of inclusivity and a sense of welcome to all. People want to see better

[1:29:38] Voice 19: climate action both in terms of mitigation so reducing GHG emissions but also adaptation so

[1:29:44] Voice 19: preparing for the impacts of climate change specifically preparing for sea level rise that

[1:29:48] Voice 19: came up quite frequently people want to see an expanded market opportunities and food culture

[1:29:54] Voice 19: and production and then finally a reimagined fire hall people see the values the space

[1:30:00] Voice 19: potentially either in another location or its current location as a potential community hub,

[1:30:03] Voice 19: and that came up several times. Now, in terms of evaluation, we have to, of course, check in and

[1:30:09] Voice 19: make sure that we're reaching people in the way that they need to be reached and we're doing an

[1:30:13] Voice 19: effective job at it. And so the ways in which we're gauging this is through participation numbers.

[1:30:17] Voice 19: So as I mentioned, we have about 800 participants in the process. Some of them were likely double

[1:30:22] Voice 19: counted if they participated in multiple activities. Large majority were not double

[1:30:26] Voice 19: counted because 550 of those 800 came from the survey. So we know that's about 7% of the

[1:30:33] Voice 19: population on the island. So that's a successful number. That's a good number. That's high

[1:30:38] Voice 19: participation. We also know that we looked at demographic reach. Were we reaching a diverse

[1:30:44] Voice 19: voices? And we know we were successful in doing that in the way we did that through the online

[1:30:48] Voice 19: survey and other means. We received both quantitative and qualitative input. So we

[1:30:53] Voice 19: We had some quantitative questions like the prioritization exercise that told us affordable

[1:30:57] Voice 19: housing was really important, but we also have almost 2000 common online surveys, really

[1:31:03] Voice 19: deep, rich, qualitative put that we were able to comb through and pull out really rich themes

[1:31:09] Voice 19: from.

[1:31:10] Voice 19: We had an exit question in the online survey to ask how, how people enjoyed the survey.

[1:31:16] Voice 19: How did you like the survey?

[1:31:17] Voice 19: We heard that about two thirds said it was good or great about just over one quarter

[1:31:22] Voice 19: said it was fair and about eight percent said it was poor so we take that as a as a success um

[1:31:27] Voice 19: this is a successful rating we feel for the survey we had an exit survey at the ideas fair which is

[1:31:34] Voice 19: also very positive and then we receive informal feedback from participants on on the quality

[1:31:39] Voice 19: um and the success of different activities so in terms of next steps uh as you heard from jenny

[1:31:46] Voice 19: the kind of these key themes were used to help shape the discussions around you know creating

[1:31:51] Voice 19: a vision and objectives and thinking ahead to some design ideas with the task force these ideas and

[1:31:57] Voice 19: priorities will also be taken forward back to the community um in early summer um to get input on

[1:32:04] Voice 19: okay well what are some of the design what are some of the planning strategies that need to come

[1:32:08] Voice 19: out of your priorities and your values for the village um and so that is where we're sitting

[1:32:14] Voice 19: with next steps and i'll leave it at that and thank you for your time and your attention and

[1:32:19] Voice 19: and for the opportunity to engage with your community and welcome any questions

[1:32:22] Voice 19: you might have now thank you very much uh

[1:32:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): jennifer there's an awful lot of material here to

[1:32:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): contemplate and i thank you and your team for all the work and of course all the members of

[1:32:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): the community that have participated so uh trustee do you have any questions

[1:32:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): want to

[1:32:46] Voice 3: share some thoughts well

[1:32:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): there's a lot thank you very much and i really appreciate this

[1:32:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): this deep dive and and this is important information i look over to our newspaper

[1:32:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): reporter here um we've got to

[1:33:01] Voice 1: find a way

[1:33:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): to share this because it's one thing to go out and ask

[1:33:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): people it's now to share it more broadly with you know hundreds and hundreds more um preferably

[1:33:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): thousands more um to you know to get sparked of interest of moving forward and into what we're

[1:33:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): trying to do because this is not our dream of ganges it's it's it's salt springs desire ganges

[1:33:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): um one of the one of my frustrations and it's it is um sort of the it's it's one thing to say

[1:33:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): where do we want to go it's the base upon which we're building that's important as well sort of

[1:33:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): of the existing conditions.

[1:33:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): And as far as for next steps,

[1:33:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): to me, that's still an important piece.

[1:33:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's the underbelly, the underlying infrastructure

[1:34:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): and like I said, what we're building on to go forward

[1:34:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): because that, so I don't know if you've had thoughts

[1:34:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): on that or at least that should have been probably mentioned

[1:34:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): mentioned as next steps or or did you assume that that step had been done thank

[1:34:22] Voice 19: you um so you're

[1:34:24] Voice 19: referring to kind of what are the baseline conditions we're working with like what are

[1:34:28] Voice 2: those

[1:34:29] Voice 19: yeah it's a good question and i and i mean there's there's i guess in a planning process

[1:34:33] Voice 19: which you know we're not involved in the planning but there's that technical you know existing

[1:34:37] Voice 19: conditions um inventory or analysis in terms of the engagement uh you know we did ask like the

[1:34:44] Voice 19: The online survey, for example, had a number of parts.

[1:34:47] Voice 19: The first part was about Ganges Village today.

[1:34:50] Voice 19: And the questions we asked were, what do you cherish?

[1:34:53] Voice 19: What do you value today?

[1:34:54] Voice 19: What are the assets?

[1:34:56] Voice 19: And then the second question about today is, what are the challenges?

[1:35:00] Voice 19: And so we did get a lot of really rich input in that way.

[1:35:04] Voice 19: But then we also, after those questions, we asked about the future.

[1:35:07] Voice 19: What is your vision for the future?

[1:35:08] Voice 19: So I think the engagement summary does, if you go into the online survey section, it does break into that a little bit.

[1:35:16] Voice 19: So you can start to get into exploration around where people, how people see the village today before it transitions into how people envision its future.

[1:35:26] Voice 19: So hopefully that assists in answering your question.

[1:35:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah, I'm thinking more and I'm probably looking more to our staff is, to me, the report doesn't stand alone.

[1:35:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's it's an element and but it could be confused i'm not not this isn't a criticism to you it's more

[1:35:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): as we think of this report going out in that the public having access to it that this is a slice

[1:35:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): of what we're trying to to do so um i i i would we need to think about what accompanies you know

[1:36:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): this from a not a staff report it's kind of written to us but a public piece of of kind of

[1:36:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): a snapshot of okay this because some people might say oh you're you're done and you're moving forward

[1:36:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): um and what's missing here as well is the is uh you know the work that i'm going to work with

[1:36:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): first nations and you know that we've got to be at all angles threading that in um because that

[1:36:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): that, again, for next steps, we're not even acknowledged.

[1:36:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): I know we're doing a whole independent process,

[1:36:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): so it could be confusing to First Nations

[1:36:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): that would read this report and think that we just put

[1:36:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): a First Nations name on the front and ignored them.

[1:36:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): Or, so it's that we have to always have that in our mind.

[1:36:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): And so I think we need to have an accompanying public piece

[1:36:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): for this that just says kind of the other elements

[1:36:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): you know to bring it together just so that it doesn't get misunderstood as being a standalone

[1:37:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): entity um and and that too with the collaboration pieces of all the other parties that have you know

[1:37:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): and this is probably looking to that to to the consultant here is you know you probably have

[1:37:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): more experience working in a municipal standpoint where this is a this is not we've got a lot of

[1:37:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): parties that have fingers in there and i guess how do you feel other parties felt that they

[1:37:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): participated not just the community did people declare themselves as a entity or representative

[1:37:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): or any of that yeah

[1:37:45] Voice 19: it's a good question this is i mean this is like like a public engagement

[1:37:49] Voice 19: summary and we recognize that there are partners other governments so like you know first nations

[1:37:54] Voice 19: partners and governments who aren't necessarily you know included on the umbrella of the public

[1:37:59] Voice 19: right so and I know that work is underway and being undertaken and the hope is sort of related

[1:38:05] Voice 19: to that point when we go back to the community bring back what we've heard bring back you know

[1:38:11] Voice 19: this is what you've told us what does that mean for the planning and the design we hope to weave

[1:38:15] Voice 19: in some we're in conversations with the knowledge keeper about being providing some indigenous

[1:38:21] Voice 19: Indigenous knowledge about history and worldview that will help inform that. That's a little

[1:38:28] Voice 19: different maybe than what you're describing, but that is on the radar screen. And I know as well,

[1:38:33] Voice 19: part of our scope is to potentially also speak to government agencies, like the Ministry of

[1:38:39] Voice 19: Transportation, that sort of thing, to get some of their input, which of course is, you know,

[1:38:44] Voice 19: they're not the public, they're a government agency and a partner. So there is some of that

[1:38:50] Voice 19: work to come. But it's not all entirely within the scope of what we would be doing.

[1:38:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah, so that's what I'm trying to get the cross, you know, because I think we need to be presenting

[1:39:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): a complete picture, you know, sort of next steps to the public. Because I could see,

[1:39:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): I just don't want to have people misunderstand. And I think there's a lot of good information in

[1:39:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): here as well that we do need to share and i think that that you know i was going to look to staff do

[1:39:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): we need a a motion to refer i think i look at the crd commissions the park commission the economic

[1:39:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): commission and transportation commission should all be reading these reports uh this report because

[1:39:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): there's there's good feedback to the work that they're doing um as as well as uh you know the

[1:39:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): arts community and others that are are doing this work so it was the intent to share this report

[1:39:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): with all these other uh groups or do we need to give you direction to have that happen uh so

[1:39:52] Voice 15: trustees uh we don't need to make a resolution because we continue to have those dialogue with

[1:39:58] Voice 15: the technical working group we can certainly send them a copy uh and to make sure that they

[1:40:04] Voice 15: of, you know, the consultant brought up this process, and this is the summary that we provided,

[1:40:12] Voice 15: and just to kind of go in a little bit to talk about the next step is that the two-day workshop

[1:40:18] Voice 15: with the task force, this community engagement process was presented to them, so they see the

[1:40:25] Voice 15: summary, and that two-day workshop where they develop the vision and look at the boundaries

[1:40:31] Voice 15: boundaries and the theme or elements within

[1:40:34] Voice 15: the area plan was based on the outcome of the public input. So it's this is kind of the next step is to guide the policy development.

[1:40:44] Voice 15: And

[1:40:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): I guess that was my, that was my next question was sort of the on the boundaries, how far out, you know, were you really focusing the engagement on sort of the central part of the village, or did we look at sort of the, the satellite

[1:41:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): like portions of the village that's spread out to upper Ganges Road and up to you know the country

[1:41:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): grocer area and all all of that should

[1:41:11] Voice 19: I respond to that or is that yeah

[1:41:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): no I was yeah

[1:41:14] Voice 19: I was looking

[1:41:14] Voice 19: for your comment

[1:41:16] Voice 19: and sort of what you saw it's a great question and it's funny there was because

[1:41:21] Voice 19: the task force hadn't yet arrived at a decision on or hadn't you know in their work to date hadn't

[1:41:28] Voice 19: really reached consensus around where that boundary might be um so what we did is we went

[1:41:34] Voice 19: forward to the community without the boundary and it was helpful in some ways because we got the

[1:41:38] Voice 19: sense based on people's input of where they see where they envision the village most people see

[1:41:44] Voice 19: it as that kind of that commercial mixed use hub um kind of shown here um but yes you know some

[1:41:50] Voice 19: people see it as having a more expansive boundary but i do know that based on the outcomes of what

[1:41:56] Voice 19: heard from the community and maybe Lucas wants to chime in here that input was used to drive

[1:42:01] Voice 19: that conversation with the task force around okay where ought that boundary be and Lucas did you

[1:42:06] Voice 19: want to add anything in terms of what came out of those conversations with the task force yeah

[1:42:10] Voice 1: thanks Jennifer and hi everyone I'm Lucas yeah I think there was a general there's a lot of great

[1:42:15] Voice 1: discussion and obviously a very healthy debate around what the boundary might be for the village

[1:42:21] Voice 1: but I think the consensus in the end is something that we'll look to share

[1:42:25] Voice 1: is around a compact boundary and just focusing efforts um in and around the village core and

[1:42:30] Voice 1: and just being more compact and focused rather than expanding boundaries too far

[1:42:34] Voice 1: and in that way just focusing efforts from um planning perspective

[1:42:46] Voice 12: i should

[1:42:47] Voice 1: just add as part of the summary from the workshop will include a draft boundary um so that

[1:42:54] Voice 1: will be something that's on a map specific so that people can look at that and have a discussion

[1:43:07] Voice 17: Peter, no i'm fine i'm very excited about what's being done and it's I agree, getting this word out as much as we possibly can to the Community is valuable i'm not sure, for instance, is this report on our website social website yeah.

[1:43:25] Voice 15: it's published as part of the LTC.

[1:43:28] Voice 17: should be a standard.

[1:43:31] Voice 15: Right.

[1:43:32] Voice 15: That

[1:43:33] Voice 17: would be helpful.

[1:43:36] Voice 26: So just a couple of.

[1:43:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): thoughts um you know this is this there's a lot it's a there's a wealth of information

[1:43:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): contained in this report but at 100 pages it's also potentially overwhelming and won't necessarily

[1:43:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): get the attention to detail that um might help because i think what laura said is that you've

[1:44:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): asked the community for something we've got this and we do now to need to feed that back in some

[1:44:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): way and i understand that this is a work in progress and there'll be more things especially

[1:44:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): coming from the workshop and stuff like that but do wonder whether or not there should be like a

[1:44:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): reader's digest version of this that draws people to the body of the work

[1:44:21] Voice 15: to get them

[1:44:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): excited they

[1:44:23] Voice 15: do have an executive summary yeah

[1:44:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah i yeah i saw that but that's that's too brief um because

[1:44:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): you want to actually feed some of the more of the detail that's in some of the other sections

[1:44:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): somehow just thinking about how you get that out and ensure that it's absorbed and i am interested

[1:44:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): in the question about the boundaries thinking about a village concept and that you can't have

[1:44:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): the boundaries too far out because then it doesn't meet the walkable ex parking outside of the area

[1:44:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): area concept so it needs to be how you balance that is a real challenge because the nature of

[1:45:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): the geography of a very rural island isn't necessarily the same focus that a village in a

[1:45:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): for want of a better term of a more of an urban setting um might have so there's a lot of things

[1:45:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): to think about and um and obviously some great values and uh more I think maybe more opportunity

[1:45:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): to do to engage uh first nations in to have their voice reflected in this in a more in a stronger

[1:45:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): way would be helpful to understand the history of the place from that perspective through that lens

[1:45:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): anyway that's all

[1:45:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): good yeah

[1:45:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): no because i mean for me the first

[1:45:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh you know in the in the conference the trip we had the liax and speaking with lax and then

[1:45:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): their staff it was like i asked what does good engagement look like for ganges from the first

[1:46:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): nations perspective and and they're like we've got a lot of first nations that have interest in

[1:46:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): in ganges but they said they envision a whole lot of conversations and so you know that i think it's

[1:46:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): also that sharing it's if we don't share information along the way um that we're hearing

[1:46:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): and i mean that both directions um then you know we could be setting up for you know a surprise at

[1:46:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): the end so that's i that's why i felt a piece of something to accompany this is important so

[1:46:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): to both messaging to first nations that we didn't forget them and also um to the community that

[1:46:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): there's this other piece happening so that they're aware um because i think that that's the that's

[1:46:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): the big big piece that we need to make sure everyone knows that we're talking to everyone

[1:46:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): and that you know this is going to come together not be independent processes forever so we

[1:47:04] Voice 15: mentioned before we were directed to be very cautious when it comes to collaboration with

[1:47:11] Voice 15: first nations they don't see themselves as but not so much that they are government so it's government

[1:47:17] Voice 15: government to government and they have a preference in coordination.

[1:47:20] Voice 15: So we've been working with them and a few nations actually committed to working

[1:47:27] Voice 15: with us with this signed agreement over the capacity funding to support their effort.

[1:47:34] Voice 15: So we are working with them and we are asked not to publish a lot of the

[1:47:41] Voice 15: information because they would like to be able to kind of uh work with us on policies on something

[1:47:49] Voice 15: at a more in-depth level so we are working with them continuously it's just that we don't publish

[1:47:56] Voice 15: those information uh you are correct that perhaps the public should know that we are working with

[1:48:02] Voice 15: them so we can provide a statement in our uh summary when we post the public engagement

[1:48:07] Voice 15: so they have current parallel efforts going on yeah

[1:48:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): I like to think of a ladder rather than

[1:48:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): parallel I really encourage that image so that there's touch points there's the rungs as we go

[1:48:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): up the ladder that you know that we are sharing and I understand and respect you know the processes

[1:48:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): are complex but I think I just look at the trust policy statement and what I heard from you know

[1:48:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): some people were surprised um and i don't want to be in that position i don't want people to you

[1:48:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): know i see our role is to also help reconciliation and help our community on this journey and um you

[1:48:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): know so i know it's hard i i know you're doing the work um i just i think we need to say it and

[1:48:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): draw pictures and uh and how that connects and so that there

[1:48:56] Voice 12: are no surprises yeah so um you

[1:49:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): You weren't here, Louisa, when we discussed the complexities and subtleties of engaging with First Nations

[1:49:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): and that we simply need to have these conversations and that to some extent there's a real necessity for the leadership

[1:49:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): to be involved in those conversations.

[1:49:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I see that as this evolves, there needs to be an opportunity for the task force and the trustees and First Nations representation to kind of workshop and talk about this.

[1:49:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): And then maybe even find out from First Nations what we can say.

[1:49:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): That's an important question to ask so that those points of view are also reflected.

[1:49:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): There's a notion out there that in wanting to acknowledge First Nations history, that we're discounting settler history.

[1:50:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): But it's a continuum, and we need to embrace those together so that the settler history can be respected for everything that is here today, and the First Nations history can be respected for everything that was here before and through this more recent time.

[1:50:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): And those are big challenges ahead of us.

[1:50:28] Voice 15: We're certainly on the right track based on what you say.

[1:50:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): We

[1:50:31] Voice 15: are doing that.

[1:50:32] Voice 15: But what I'm hearing is, I actually was here at the back, so I heard what you were saying.

[1:50:38] Voice 15: We could certainly arrange for another community-to-community conversation because it takes a lot of effort to arrange those.

[1:50:47] Voice 15: But I guess because of the fact that our special advisor, Lisa, is no longer able to assist us because she moved on,

[1:50:58] Voice 15: I have to find out, you know, logistically, because she has been my advisor as far as organizing all the events.

[1:51:07] Voice 15: So we can certainly continue to do that and set up another meeting.

[1:51:12] Voice 15: But in the past, what she was telling me is that it's completely at the elected level.

[1:51:17] Voice 15: And I understand that it's also, if we're competing for the funding with UBCM,

[1:51:23] Voice 10: they

[1:51:26] Voice 15: also said it's the elected level.

[1:51:29] Voice 15: So it's chief and

[1:51:30] Voice 15: council and the elected officials.

[1:51:33] Voice 15: So I can certainly look into that.

[1:51:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[1:51:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): And we hope to transition.

[1:51:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's not so much about the individual as the function, as we

[1:51:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): hope to transition with that

[1:51:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): function to some new ideas and fresh ideas yeah

[1:51:48] Voice 15: from what i understand uh based on what claire

[1:51:51] Voice 15: had the conversation with first nation uh one of the first nations uh it talks about uh there's

[1:51:57] Voice 15: certain methods that they prefer as far as coordination at the staff level we certainly

[1:52:03] Voice 15: regularly try to work with them at the staff level okay

[1:52:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): um peter has rightfully pointed out

[1:52:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): we're at 11 30 um which is our normally we would be going for a break at this time probably we

[1:52:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): should we should stick to that not to some extent but we haven't dealt with the housing action

[1:52:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): program nor the uh protection of coastal douglas spur and associated ecosystems so would look for

[1:52:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): some advice and trustees or staff about how to um regional planning manager cermak did advise me

[1:52:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): right a week ago that this is going to be a very full agenda and that's now panning out we've got

[1:52:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): a number of applications and other items on our on our agenda later um what is your pleasure should

[1:52:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): we go for our break now and then pick up with trustee reports and the more public-facing

[1:52:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): portion of this and then um and then perhaps pick up with the housing action program and protection

[1:53:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): in close above the spur later in our agenda um and then the obvious question is is there any further

[1:53:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): discussion we need to have with respect to the ganges village planning i think we've received

[1:53:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): the report we've heard from the consultant there's a network will be ongoing so trustees

[1:53:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): and or staff should we just go for our break um

[1:53:21] Voice 17: you know we could actually i think deal with uh

[1:53:24] Voice 17: with the housing action program proposed by laws quite quickly because we're just asking

[1:53:31] Voice 17: staff to report back. No I'd

[1:53:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): like a little bit more what I would suggest is that

[1:53:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): we not defer it yet let's wait and see if we have any time at the end of the meeting but just

[1:53:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): because you know sometimes we go through the applications faster than others so I'd say let's

[1:53:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): Let's wait on that deferral question.

[1:53:50] Voice 14: Maybe

[1:53:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): we could quickly do the Douglas fir

[1:53:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): since the staff was here

[1:53:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): and then see if we can fit housing in after the applications.

[1:53:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay,

[1:53:59] Voice 4: that sounds good to me.

[1:54:02] Voice 4: So is that all right?

[1:54:03] Voice 4: Shall we then proceed with protection

[1:54:04] Voice 4: of both coastal Douglas fir

[1:54:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): and associate ecosystems at this time?

[1:54:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): Right.

[1:54:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, so who's gonna lead that staff report?

[1:54:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): Are we prepared for that?

[1:54:15] Voice 17: Sure, I just wanna bring to the chair's attention

[1:54:17] Voice 17: two things.

[1:54:18] Voice 17: going we're going to lose our planner at 2 30 um for the housing okay so i i think you'll have some

[1:54:24] Voice 17: time with the planner out the app after the applications but be cognizant of the timing

[1:54:28] Voice 17: and i yes the partners are raising the elements for the cdf right

[1:54:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): so i do want to acknowledge yeah

[1:54:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): so that typically uh individuals that are coming uh with respect to applications i think we need

[1:54:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): to respect that space right um so we'll just do the best we can we could defer correspondence

[1:54:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): and those other items although obviously some of that correspondence is associated with applications

[1:54:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): but we'll manage let's get on with the ecosystem thing go for our break and

[1:55:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): then we can maybe have a conversation over the break about how we might uh

[1:55:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): teaching the agenda for the afternoon

[1:55:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): and you're

[1:55:09] Voice 16: going to take it thank you

[1:55:11] Voice 16: potentially go very quickly depending on

[1:55:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): what you want to do with it

[1:55:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): and thank you to the consultant jennifer and others for joining us appreciate that so the

[1:55:26] Voice 16: purpose of this staff report really is to just bring you an updated project charter for your

[1:55:30] Voice 16: protection of the coastal douglas spur zone and associated ecosystems project the project

[1:55:36] Voice 16: charter has been updated to reflect the fact that in the business case that the ltc submitted to

[1:55:42] Voice 16: trust council for this year's budget it was heavy on wildfire risk mitigation work and

[1:55:52] Voice 16: the earlier iteration of this project charter was not and so we've brought you an updated

[1:55:56] Voice 16: version of the project charter that better captures the ltc's shift in the in the priority

[1:56:04] Voice 16: or focus on this topic well it will still achieve some of the other objectives i think um the ltc

[1:56:08] Voice 16: has been pretty clear in signaling that the the primary lens through which uh it wishes to do this

[1:56:14] Voice 16: project is one of wildfire risk mitigation and uh hopefully this project charter that is including

[1:56:21] Voice 16: the appendix one that's that for you

[1:56:23] Voice 16: that's the field

[1:56:25] Voice 12: any questions or any policy okay

[1:56:27] Voice 3: Okay.

[1:56:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): Trustee?

[1:56:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): Laura Patrick.

[1:56:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): In preparing for this meeting, I started through my normal, oh, I've got to get into

[1:56:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): the project charter and look at the purpose and all of that, and I started Googling and

[1:56:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): I found out the CRD is out to tender right now for a community wildfire resilience plan

[1:56:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): for the electoral area, all three electoral areas, actually.

[1:56:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I was like, whoa!

[1:56:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): whoa and i went in and then got into the the whole template piece has land use fits and all of that

[1:57:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): so how the crd got out of the tender without coming and talking to staff first is a little um

[1:57:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): discouraging i've already let gary holman know that that was a significant gap and because of

[1:57:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): that i mean there's two things one is we need to move on getting the wildfire ecologist so

[1:57:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's do we need to give you any direction for that the second would be i really think we need

[1:57:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): to take take a moment to look at this project charter in relationship to the crd's work that

[1:57:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): they're doing on the tour are are also feeding each other so that would be my perfect make sure

[1:57:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): you get direction to move on getting that um the fire ecologist going because the summer months are

[1:57:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): when we have people's attention um and the second would be to refer you to not necessarily for this

[1:57:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): to them but ask you to go work with crd staff to see if there's some improvements to the project

[1:58:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): charter um to become better with that process that the crd is doing sure

[1:58:12] Voice 16: any remarks on that

[1:58:14] Voice 26: Yeah,

[1:58:15] Voice 16: no direction required on a wildfire ecologist. The RFP is 80% of the way complete. We're working with Transition Salt Springs Ecological Research Network on the design of that RFP to ensure that it meets our mutual goals for the project.

[1:58:33] Voice 16: As you know, I think the Ecological Research Network was the recipient of a $100,000 Environment and Climate Change Canada grant to do some wildfire risk assessment and mitigation work in the Maxwell Creek watershed.

[1:58:48] Voice 16: And this wildfire ecologist, the LTC, is funding to its budget is part and parcel of that work.

[1:58:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): that was like do you need direct i want to make sure that the private managed

[1:59:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): landowners whatever the forest landowners associate whatever their thing is uh no it's

[1:59:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's the association not the pmfl but it's an association of the landowners that

[1:59:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): have pmfl land

[1:59:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): um

[1:59:14] Voice 7: because

[1:59:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): they reached out um they were also at the avicc in a booth and i think i think they're

[1:59:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): a good group to be involving in the you know the terms of reference and to keep them on the board

[1:59:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): because they they really are taking efforts to communicate with us and I think we need to make

[1:59:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): sure they're brought along you've

[1:59:38] Voice 16: suggested that would be worthwhile and I'm happy to do so I don't

[1:59:41] Voice 16: think I need direction on that unless I hear any objections from your colleagues that might lead

[1:59:46] Voice 16: you to believe that not a good idea do we

[1:59:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): need to then ask you to work with crd stuff on review

[1:59:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): of this that

[1:59:56] Voice 16: i i would probably appreciate a resolution

[2:00:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): you know wing one yes please um

[2:00:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): yes

[2:00:04] Voice 24: probably yes yeah

[2:00:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): so i move that the salt spring island

[2:00:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): local trust committee uh direct request staff um to work with to review the project charter

[2:00:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): or whatever the description of that project charter is um with crd staff in relationship

[2:00:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): to the community wildfire resiliency plan project activity whatever that is so

[2:00:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): and the name of that

[2:00:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): uh charter is below obviously and that's the protection of coastal douglas spur zones and

[2:00:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): associated ecosystems project

[2:00:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): correct yeah

[2:00:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): the revisions of it yeah version two uh yeah yeah

[2:01:05] Voice 12: and

[2:01:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): i don't know if you want and that's to to to ensure you know to improve alignment or something

[2:01:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): or to to you

[2:01:19] Voice 16: know i think you can

[2:01:20] Voice 7: just leave that okay that's good um

[2:01:21] Voice 16: might i suggest also adding

[2:01:25] Voice 16: salt spring island fire rescue as well as i think they're they are coordinated with the crd

[2:01:31] Voice 16: in the development yeah i

[2:01:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): hope nobody's surprised i did ask one of their board members and they

[2:01:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): hadn't heard about it

[2:01:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): and that wasn't good that was

[2:01:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): not a good uh response so i'm a little worried

[2:01:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): that the crd is off without talking to those key partners well

[2:01:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): as a deputy chief on a fire

[2:01:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): department often there's conversations with the fire department that don't necessarily happen

[2:01:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): with the board and vice versa so very

[2:01:59] Voice 12: good plan so is that your version yes

[2:02:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): and

[2:02:07] Voice 17: i'll second it

[2:02:08] Voice 17: okay

[2:02:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): so moved and seconded then and wish to speak to further no i

[2:02:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): just think i said this this

[2:02:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): preserving deck in cooperation with and uh you know just because our partners sometimes forget

[2:02:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): to work in cooperation with us we've got

[2:02:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): to remind them and uh reach out there and do our best to

[2:02:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): work with that work with them good

[2:02:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): job okay um moved and seconded any further discussion

[2:02:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): or some favor so that carries um is there any intention to advance the recommendation that's

[2:02:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): here no

[2:02:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): we can't endorse that that's the thing we can't endorse the project chartering

[2:02:44] Voice 8: okay

[2:02:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's what that request is without checking to see if we can improve it

[2:02:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): so

[2:02:48] Voice 8: 292 okay so then that would presumably come back

[2:02:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): to us every day right okay

[2:02:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): then um is there

[2:02:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): any further business on this project charter that's all okay so that concludes that thank

[2:03:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): you for advancing that so shall we now recess at 11 34 we'll be back here at noon and we'll

[2:03:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): pick up with the agenda from item nine and we'll slide in the housing action program where we can

[2:03:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): And so let

[2:03:18] Voice 4: us mute

[2:03:19] Voice 12: and recess.

[2:32:29] Voice 12: we are now live all right

[2:32:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): welcome back everybody um this is the salt spring island local trust

[2:32:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): committee for april the 18th we've had a busy morning viewing a number of administrative

[2:32:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): items and project work and now we find ourselves at the trustee reporting and chair reporting

[2:32:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): reporting section, correspondence and applications.

[2:33:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): We didn't get everything done this morning.

[2:33:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): The housing action program,

[2:33:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): we'll pick that up after applications and continue on.

[2:33:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): So with all that said, my name of course is Peter Luckow.

[2:33:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm the chair of the Rural Trust Committee

[2:33:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): like the Rural Peterstown, Latch and Malacca territory.

[2:33:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): We are meeting broadly across the Salish Sea,

[2:33:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): territory of many nations.

[2:33:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): and of course we live

[2:33:30] Voice 24: in wonder here

[2:33:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): about the history and culture that has been here since

[2:33:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): time immemorial and I'm grateful to be here and encourage everyone to reach out and learn as much

[2:33:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): as they can about the history of this place that we live in. So I'm going to begin today with the

[2:33:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): trustee reports and

[2:33:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): who would like to go first?

[2:33:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[2:33:53] Voice 17: believe I'm kicking off

[2:33:54] Voice 17: and I will be brief

[2:33:57] Voice 17: but the most important thing

[2:33:58] Voice 17: I have to say is to

[2:34:01] Voice 17: say how terribly

[2:34:02] Voice 17: sorry I am that we will be

[2:34:05] Voice 17: losing Stefan Semrek

[2:34:06] Voice 17: who has been a good

[2:34:09] Voice 17: colleague and a friend and a support

[2:34:11] Voice 17: for now for many years. He joined

[2:34:13] Voice 17: the Islands Trust in 2010

[2:34:14] Voice 17: I believe and in 2015

[2:34:17] Voice 17: 15 he became our regional planning manager during that time he's provided measured advice in a calm

[2:34:25] Voice 17: cool and

[2:34:26] Voice 17: collected way and uh really appreciate everything that you've done and know that you

[2:34:31] Voice 17: will be very much missed um since it's been an interesting month since you last met um

[2:34:41] Voice 17: highlight to me was uh an interagency meeting organized by gary hillman the other day which

[2:34:47] Voice 17: i thought was extremely helpful and i hope will be repeated um there is so much going on in the

[2:34:55] Voice 17: world of housing and development and affordable housing and um which is very exciting and uh very

[2:35:04] Voice 17: positive for our community um there's also interesting things happening at north salt

[2:35:11] Voice 17: spring and they have elections coming up and uh so the whole issue of the water moratorium is

[2:35:17] Voice 17: high on the agenda and I would love to think that that can be eased so we can allow for some of the

[2:35:23] Voice 17: important projects that we put

[2:35:25] Voice 17: on our books and other than that yeah I do want to say which has

[2:35:33] Voice 17: got nothing to do with with us but I am very seriously concerned about COVID. Our community

[2:35:41] Voice 17: has never had more cases of COVID as right now and I look around and most of us aren't wearing

[2:35:47] Voice 17: masks. I have to say I wear masks when I go into stores or anywhere crowded. But I just

[2:35:54] Voice 17: worry very much that we ease the restrictions far too soon and we're in for a bad time

[2:36:02] Voice 17: relatively near future. But so I encourage you to look after yourselves and your loved ones

[2:36:09] Voice 17: and your community. Thank you, Chair. That's all I have to say. Thank

[2:36:14] Voice 3: you, Peter. Laura Patrick.

[2:36:15] Voice 3: oh we're not

[2:36:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): losing him we have a nearby

[2:36:20] Voice 15: uh regional district that's gaining him so

[2:36:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): he'll be in the neighborhood look forward to congratulate you on on this move and

[2:36:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): they got some apologies from the electoral area directors in that regional district saying sorry

[2:36:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): we stole them we'll steal stuff back all right anyway uh lady minto messenger we all got sent

[2:36:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): that to our house and right on the front page one it's their happy thumbs up about getting the sea

[2:36:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): breeze and moving to create some units of housing for hospital but right on the page it says offset

[2:37:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): daunting mortgage payments many have taken their secondary or basement suites off the traditional

[2:37:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): rental market opting for more lucrative nightly vacation rentals as a result of both of de facto

[2:37:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): workforce accommodation on salt spring has been displaced by over 500 nike vacation rentals

[2:37:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): people previously inhabiting those suites have been bumped to more and more marginal housing

[2:37:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): many workers have moved away shuttering businesses and many who have stayed are

[2:37:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): resorting to creative vagabonding and boondocking forests tents vans boats

[2:37:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh moldy trailers and leaky rvs not a couple of paragraphs that bring any uh pride um we can't

[2:37:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): fix this mess ourselves but we must do everything we can i've attended a couple of workshops in the

[2:37:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): last few weeks one at avicc and one on workforce housing um the workforce housing when they were

[2:38:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): describing the municipalities as being important partners in generating housing so i i asked one

[2:38:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): of the questions of i said can you elaborate on what elements um that was for how we helped with

[2:38:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): housing and some was about how staff worked with housing partners which our staff are doing a great

[2:38:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): job but it also talked about our role as leaders and they said they had good examples of where

[2:38:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): Where leaders don't step up to the role or where they point fingers to other jurisdictions is actually hurting the development of workforce housing.

[2:38:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): So we have to step up and do everything.

[2:38:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): We are taking some steps here, hopefully, to help those who want to be landlords and provide accessory dwelling units.

[2:38:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): I know there are people who fear expanded use of accessory dwelling units.

[2:39:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): but uh i'd like to quote carl sturtzer he's the mayor of a little old town of canal flats here

[2:39:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): in bc and he says be afraid of doing nothing instead of being afraid of doing something

[2:39:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): and i think that's what i read here in this article if we don't do anything this is not a

[2:39:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): pretty picture and that we need to try and we should be only afraid of doing nothing and let's

[2:39:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): try to find that something that we can do um we have to take action to restore some of the rental

[2:39:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): housing in our community and i only fear uh not doing this what the island could become we also

[2:39:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): have to turn up the heat on the crd i wish gary was here um we have to do more to manage the uh

[2:39:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): the short-term rentals and business licenses are an important tool that we need to pursue

[2:40:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): because we need every tool in the toolbox we need to do for ourselves but we need every tool to

[2:40:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): manage that and i really i really beg gary to work with us to explore the business licenses

[2:40:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): um the ministry staff at the the aicc association of vancouver island what's the cc

[2:40:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): C stand for? Coastal communities. It's a step toward the UBCM, Union of BC Municipalities.

[2:40:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): David Eby's staff spoke to us about housing, and they had a really good way of saying it that

[2:40:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): worked for me. They said we need to start with who needs to be in our community, and then talk

[2:40:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): about the housing we need for them. We always start with housing needs assessments, and it's

[2:40:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): like we're talking about one segment but who

[2:40:56] Voice 11: do we need who needs to be in

[2:40:58] Voice 12: our community and what

[2:40:59] Voice 12: housing do we need the other thing that david evie had told adam

[2:41:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): olson was he wanted us to

[2:41:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): somebody to sandbox tiny homes because we all talk about our frustration of we want to have

[2:41:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): the tiny homes on wheels why can't we have them there's always one other jurisdiction

[2:41:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'm you know i think instead of trying to find a tiny home village example we should offer just

[2:41:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): is to say, let's sandbox salt spring.

[2:41:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): Sandbox is the word for pilot test.

[2:41:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): If you already know that there's a lot of tiny,

[2:41:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): tiny things on wheels,

[2:41:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): we gotta find a way to get the information

[2:41:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): from these people who are doing it about what works,

[2:41:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): what doesn't work, what are the fears, what are the problems?

[2:41:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I'm gonna pursue that,

[2:41:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): see if we can position salt spring to be that sandbox.

[2:41:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): I know it needs to have somebody in the middle

[2:41:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): to collect that data

[2:41:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): because these people don't wanna feel threatened

[2:41:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): or lose their home.

[2:41:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): So we're going to do this properly. I've attended lots of meetings as usual,

[2:41:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): chair of North Pender local trust committee and the executive committee.

[2:42:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): I was really proud of through work on Theta silent local trust committee,

[2:42:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): which was with the chair, chair Luckin here.

[2:42:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): I got to participate in a community community funded day with the Lai

[2:42:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): acceleration with elders and their staff,

[2:42:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): with our fellow trustees and with some of our staff,

[2:42:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): we went out on a boat spent the day going around fetus and valdez island

[2:42:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): and it was a beautiful day of learning and relationship building and we all need to do

[2:42:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): more of that to take that time so i'm looking forward to having those conversations here on

[2:42:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): on salt spring with the first nations that this means a lot too so that's my report

[2:42:50] Voice 3: good thank you laura um you kind of got me

[2:42:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): fired up with a few things that we've said there

[2:42:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): that indeed this meeting more meetings and yet more meetings in my life all across the uh

[2:43:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): the federation of the albans trust um i also attended uh adhcc and association bank of

[2:43:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): mount coastal communities is kind of like our family of local governments all those communities

[2:43:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): We're on the water and we get together regularly as an association to lobby the provincial

[2:43:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): government to UBCM with initiatives.

[2:43:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): A number of motions that the Alms Trust brought forward at that association meeting were passed

[2:43:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): and will be advanced to UBCM with support from the association.

[2:43:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): I also attended a local government leadership forum, so I'll go now, where we got to talk

[2:43:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): about governance and issues and a lot of these issues that we're experiencing here on salt

[2:43:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): spring you're experiencing here on salt spring

[2:43:52] Voice 3: we're experiencing throughout the gulf islands

[2:43:54] Voice 3: with housing and work and water shortages and infrastructure failures and the like are

[2:44:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): experienced by many small communities throughout british columbia and despite

[2:44:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): despite some thoughts out there

[2:44:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): about the Islands Trust and its governance model.

[2:44:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): I was forced to remember that, in fact,

[2:44:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): the Islands Trust actually is quite well prepared

[2:44:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): and has policy in places that many governments

[2:44:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): in British Columbia do not have.

[2:44:33] Voice 3: And

[2:44:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'd say that's actually thanks in many respects

[2:44:36] Voice 3: to linda adams your uh resident here on peters island or on salt green island while she was um

[2:44:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): ceo of the albans trust and so we certainly am not as bad a shape as some might think um so i'm not

[2:44:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): going to go on too much more about other meetings anywhere other than uh participated in the port

[2:44:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): optimization discussion had a frank conversation with the bank reports uh folks about uh the vessel

[2:45:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): Ankerges also have had some conversations with Rod Rogers with respect to Channel Ridge

[2:45:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): and hoping that they've got the message that the communications to the community here was

[2:45:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): inadequate and that was certainly brought to our attention by a number of residents

[2:45:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): up in Channel Ridge and we've also had some conversations now with Industry Canada and

[2:45:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): And we're anticipating them coming to a future meeting, I think, to phrase us about what they expect to do next.

[2:45:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm just going to echo your remarks there in this slightly different way, and that it's a phrase that I've carried around with me for a long time.

[2:45:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I don't know where I heard it originally, but it is that if you don't stand for something, then you stand for nothing.

[2:45:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I think that that's a really important thing, and that is a quality of leadership to sometimes you may not be popular, but sometimes you need to stand up to do the right thing.

[2:46:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I would encourage all of us to embrace that.

[2:46:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): And obviously, in that conversation is the notion of collaborating and listening to each other and embracing each other's ideas in order to come to a better outcome than we might individually.

[2:46:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): individually. So we'll see how that goes for the next little bit of time here. So that's it from

[2:46:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): me. I'm really glad to be here on Salt Spring and in Coast Salish territory and work in your

[2:46:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): community. The CRD director, Gary Holman, is not here. I'm guessing he's occupied with something

[2:46:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): else. And so perhaps we'll hear from him at a later point in time for another day.

[2:46:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): With that, I'm going to move to correspondence. There has been quite a lot of correspondence associated with applications. As you know, correspondence with applications gets funneled off into files and is available on the website or in the reporting that comes to us with respect to those applications when they come forward.

[2:47:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): The four items that are on our agenda today are a message from actually a colleague from Bowen Island,

[2:47:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): Sue Ellen Fast, Councillor and Vice Chair of the Alice Trust regarding the BC Electrical Electoral Boundaries Commission.

[2:47:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): And certainly what the message is there is that we should be paying attention to that.

[2:47:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): So that's a message for us and for you to be aware that that review is underway.

[2:47:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): way um and then and then you can see here um some correspondence from beydos litigation to the ltc

[2:47:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): respecting the concern proposed telecommunications tower a response back to them from myself

[2:47:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): and also to um uh letters to uh

[2:48:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): to the Infrastructure Canada Active Transportation Fund,

[2:48:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): and also to Cypress Land Services and Rogers Communications

[2:48:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): with respect to the rescinding of the concurrence

[2:48:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): for the Ronald McDonald Telecommunications Tower.

[2:48:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): So all that's there for information.

[2:48:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): Unless there's anything else you'd like to do with that,

[2:48:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): Justice?

[2:48:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right, thank you.

[2:48:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): them so now uh our opportunity to move into delegations and town halls um so uh this will be

[2:48:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): an opportunity for you to talk to us about uh issues that are important to you at the moment

[2:48:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): um any of you that are here representing applications your opportunity to speak to

[2:48:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): your application will come when we get there um and there's about six of them on today's agenda

[2:48:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): and so at the moment i'm just going to go to the town hall and just remind you to be respectful

[2:49:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): full of your friends and neighbors in the room and friends and neighbors online and of course

[2:49:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): the staff and trustees and uh keep your comments to the issue um rather than individuals and just

[2:49:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): ask you to raise your hand if you'd like to speak to the ltc today okay so with you know in this new

[2:49:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): space it's a little different than what we had before but i just ask you maybe to come up line

[2:49:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): up behind the podium here and uh and then just tell us your name and what you'd like to address

[2:49:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): asked us about

[2:49:30] Voice 15: sorry for items on the agenda you have

[2:49:37] Voice 24: an item on the agenda

[2:49:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): don't you were screening

[2:49:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): town

[2:49:39] Voice 15: hall items

[2:49:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): on the agenda oh yes oh

[2:49:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): i oh i see reminder for the public no this is a reminder

[2:49:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): about the public hearing i

[2:49:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): think she was just wondering if you were grouping people but i think

[2:49:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's just speak i'm

[2:49:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): sorry i can't hear i

[2:49:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): think she was wondering if you were grouping people

[2:49:57] Trustee Patrick (probable): I

[2:49:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): am not. Oh, I see. Yeah, that's how we used to do things. We're out of the regular habit of having actual in-person meetings. I apologize for that. And so, sure, let's do it that way. Thank you for that kind reminder.

[2:50:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): reminder. So the way that we had done that was, are there individuals that wish to, other than

[2:50:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): the applicants that wish to speak to applications on our agenda today, are there individuals that

[2:50:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): wish to speak to applications or work that we're doing that is not on today's agenda? And then

[2:50:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): finally, issues that you would like to raise with the local trust committee with respect to

[2:50:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): issues within our jurisdiction so then the first item will be those that wish to speak to

[2:50:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): applications that are on our agenda today not the applicants okay so i see two people so let's

[2:50:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): get three people so let's step up here so we can you have to speak up so we can hear you clearly

[2:50:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): this room seems to suck up sound so

[2:51:04] Voice 15: i hope this is appropriate it's about the housing item that

[2:51:08] Voice 15: they're going to talk about this afternoon is

[2:51:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): it an application on our agenda not an application

[2:51:13] Voice 15: okay

[2:51:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): so why don't you pick that up you're up there now why don't you speak to us about it

[2:51:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we'll just

[2:51:19] Voice 15: i do want to say it's very hard to hear you in this room it is yes

[2:51:24] Voice 15: you

[2:51:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): might

[2:51:26] Voice 15: think about getting lights next time okay

[2:51:29] Voice 26: the

[2:51:30] Voice 15: only thing i can think of

[2:51:32] Voice 15: um so i'm speaking about the item for the housing report yes right

[2:51:37] Voice 15: and a couple of you were saying

[2:51:39] Voice 15: how you've been advised that it's important not to do anything but to do something when there's

[2:51:44] Voice 15: a problem yeah right

[2:51:45] Voice 15: doing yes and i want to say that it's good to do something but then something

[2:51:51] Voice 15: should be something that works yes right right so um what is in your authority to do is to clamp

[2:51:58] Voice 15: down on short-term vacation rentals

[2:52:00] Voice 12: yes yes

[2:52:01] Voice 15: and i know that's at the trust level and i don't

[2:52:05] Voice 15: remember hearing any discussion through the budget and trust council about more money to go to risk

[2:52:10] Voice 15: okay and i i recommend that you do that because it's something you can do at least at the trust

[2:52:17] Voice 15: council level that might help the situation right and the report that's in the agenda on housing

[2:52:25] Voice 15: does not tell how many new housing units it would authorize and that's

[2:52:32] Voice 10: very important for the

[2:52:34] Voice 15: ocp

[2:52:34] Voice 15: view and minor provision

[2:52:37] Voice 10: right

[2:52:38] Voice 15: so i urge you to get that information and i would also urge you

[2:52:43] Voice 15: to delay taking action on that item because there are a number of unanswered questions

[2:52:47] Voice 15: about it and another concern i have is that the way it's written if someone wants to put in a next

[2:52:54] Voice 15: a second resident on a lot that qualifies in a water in a water district and they put in some

[2:53:02] Voice 15: kind of rainwater collection system no size indicated then the water district cannot

[2:53:08] Voice 15: tell them no because it says they can do this if they have additional water or they get permission

[2:53:18] Voice 15: for the water system.

[2:53:19] Voice 10: So,

[2:53:20] Voice 15: or means one or the other,

[2:53:22] Voice 10: right?

[2:53:23] Voice 15: And with no criteria around it,

[2:53:26] Voice 15: that it's a separate water system

[2:53:28] Voice 15: that they have to take entirely from rainwater or whatever,

[2:53:31] Voice 15: and there wouldn't be a burden on the water system,

[2:53:33] Voice 15: I think the water system should have a feed up.

[2:53:37] Voice 12: Thank you.

[2:53:38] Voice 12: That's good, thank you.

[2:53:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I'll just note on,

[2:53:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): with respect to the short-term vacation route thing,

[2:53:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): is you're somewhat lucky actually,

[2:53:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): in that you don't get all the emails that I get from bylaw enforcement when they're actually going

[2:53:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): out and acting on enforcement of short-term vacation rentals so I'll admit that you're right

[2:54:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): we don't make a public display of that for a variety of reasons I imagine but there is bylaw

[2:54:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): enforcement on Salt Spring specifically on short-term vacation rentals and it's a challenging

[2:54:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): file and there's quite a number of them I can't tell you how many there are but there's quite a

[2:54:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): a number of them but of course everybody that does short-term vacation rentals thinks that they can

[2:54:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): do them and and we think that in some situations they can't do them and it ends up being a long

[2:54:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): drawn-out battle but we heard earlier um about the what was in the uh in your little letter from

[2:54:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): lady mental hospital that indeed numbers of homes are being taken off the market um for those

[2:54:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): purposes and um i agree completely that is definitely affecting the housing market so

[2:54:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you for that um now i saw somebody else here that was going to come up this lady here

[2:54:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): on applications on our agenda today yeah

[2:54:59] Voice 15: my name is fraya sky i'm a member of the housing

[2:55:01] Voice 15: action task force um as well as a local farm owner on the island um i'm here to speak and

[2:55:07] Voice 15: On behalf of, well, to support the variance application

[2:55:11] Voice 15: for Ms. Dori Howard.

[2:55:12] Voice 15: Okay.

[2:55:14] Voice 15: Yeah, I've known Dori Howard for a little bit,

[2:55:17] Voice 15: and I know that she's really been struggling

[2:55:19] Voice 15: with all the interactions with the enforcement officers

[2:55:23] Voice 15: for a number of years now.

[2:55:25] Voice 15: And she's really been trying her hardest

[2:55:27] Voice 15: to find a good resolution for the issues.

[2:55:31] Voice 15: I've read the latest staff report,

[2:55:33] Voice 15: and I just feel like it is very nitpicky.

[2:55:36] Voice 15: and you know there

[2:55:38] Voice 15: might be some some slight things that are very minor variations to what

[2:55:41] Voice 15: is allowed but i know that her property is very well kept it is absolutely a rural property there's

[2:55:47] Voice 15: nothing there that i've seen that would

[2:55:48] Voice 15: be disturbing to the environment or to the neighbors

[2:55:51] Voice 15: or the communities whether the edge of the deck of this tiny little cabin overhangs 50 centimeters

[2:55:57] Voice 15: over top like way above the ocean where it's not touching or disturbing anything i'm just like i

[2:56:03] I

[2:56:03] Voice 15: don't understand why like big issues

[2:56:06] Voice 15: need to be made out of such minor things.

[2:56:09] Voice 15: And, you know, other things like the septic

[2:56:13] Voice 15: that was constructed before the bylaw

[2:56:16] Voice 15: limited the distance from the ocean,

[2:56:19] Voice 15: like why does that even have to show up?

[2:56:22] Voice 15: If a building was permitted and is over a certain size

[2:56:26] Voice 15: of what might be allowed, it was permitted at the time.

[2:56:32] Voice 15: So whoever didn't do their due diligence

[2:56:34] Voice 15: or maybe regulations changed i don't know that shouldn't be something that becomes a grievance

[2:56:38] Voice 15: to a landowner who just tries to do you know things well and make a living and just have a

[2:56:44] Voice 15: peaceful life on this island um yeah so i'm hoping that uh there can be some leniency that you can be

[2:56:51] Voice 15: granted those variances so that you can just live in peace because i i know that there is

[2:56:55] Voice 15: nothing major going on that is a disturbance to the environment to the community or to the

[2:57:01] Voice 15: neighbors that you know i haven't seen trash and debris i just i haven't seen anything that

[2:57:07] Voice 15: doesn't raise concerns on her property um so and i feel that you know the bylaw obviously

[2:57:17] Voice 15: isn't a complete document that covers every possible scenario that we can ever encounter

[2:57:22] Voice 15: when we live on this island so that's why there are variance applications and and really i think

[2:57:27] Voice 15: the bylaw should limit things from getting out of hand that could create an environmental hazard

[2:57:33] Voice 15: or a safety hazard for people or or something that would be disturbing to the community but

[2:57:38] Voice 15: just taking it like word by word and so maybe that really infringes on somebody's ability to

[2:57:44] Voice 15: just make a living have a peaceful life I don't think the bylaw is meant for that purpose so I'm

[2:57:50] Voice 15: hoping that she can get the variances so that she can live in peace and also she's planning to

[2:57:56] Voice 15: is provide affordable rental housing to somebody in a workshop which is something that we're looking

[2:58:02] Voice 15: at anyways as allowing as an accessory dwelling unit which is something that we need on this

[2:58:07] Voice 15: island for people to open up existing spaces as rental housing so also you know that's in

[2:58:14] Voice 15: mind with the what's been worked on already so i'm hoping that you can get the variances and

[2:58:20] Voice 15: carry on with your life thank you

[2:58:22] Voice 15: thank you okay

[2:58:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you very much so is there anybody else who

[2:58:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): speak to the local trust committee on the applications

[2:58:28] Voice 12: today sir hi my name is renee

[2:58:35] Voice 21: van hall i'm a building contractor here on salt spring island i've lived here for almost 30 years

[2:58:41] Voice 21: watch the island grow and change i have also been doing i'm speaking in favor of dory howard's

[2:58:49] Voice 21: application here i've been with dory working doing maintenance on her property for at least

[2:58:54] Voice 21: five years and uh what i found was a very compassionate caring individual who wants

[2:59:01] Voice 21: the best for the island who wants to be able to enjoy her property which is extremely beautiful

[2:59:06] Voice 21: and rural she has good relationships with her close neighbors um she has always um

[2:59:14] Voice 21: operated uh her lifestyle there very passively and very non-aggressively even though there's

[2:59:20] Voice 21: been some aggression in her neighborhood directed at her um i feel like uh for me as a an employer

[2:59:28] Voice 21: one of the biggest problems i have is finding accommodation for my staff

[2:59:32] Voice 21: um i've lost talented people and i've been able to retain talented people because i've done the

[2:59:38] Voice 21: legwork to find them housing so every single possible housing unit that could become available

[2:59:45] Voice 21: available should become available. And in this application, I see that. I see a need that I have

[2:59:51] Voice 21: as a small employer on the island for housing for my staff. And I also see a need for my

[2:59:57] Voice 21: potential clients that they can come.

[3:00:00] Voice 21: the island they can get a feel for it here um before they uh purchase property or develop

[3:00:06] Voice 21: property um so because i've known dory for as long as i have i just i just want to come up and

[3:00:12] Voice 21: say that i agree that these items that she's asking for these variances are minor in my opinion

[3:00:19] Voice 21: and they should be um viewed upon as in that form and in that way and uh you should do everything

[3:00:28] Voice 21: that you can do to comply and allow her to continue to do what she's doing there

[3:00:32] Voice 21: thank

[3:00:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): you thank you sir anybody else on the applications on our agenda today

[3:00:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): is there anybody that wishes to speak to other items that are not on today's agenda

[3:00:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): so please

[3:00:48] Voice 7: come ahead hi

[3:00:53] Voice 15: my name is kelly ferguson lot

[3:00:56] Voice 18: 7 maya road um you know first and foremost i

[3:01:00] Voice 18: I just want to thank you for your public servants.

[3:01:03] Voice 15: It's, you know, I know it's a lot of time

[3:01:05] Voice 15: and you have to feel deeply for the preservation

[3:01:09] Voice 15: of your community to put in that effort

[3:01:12] Voice 15: and put yourself out there in the public.

[3:01:13] Voice 15: It's not always, like you were saying earlier,

[3:01:16] Voice 15: not always easy and you have to go against opinions

[3:01:23] Voice 15: a lot of the time.

[3:01:24] Voice 15: So you can lose friends over it.

[3:01:25] Voice 15: I know I've been there.

[3:01:26] Voice 15: So anyway,

[3:01:28] Voice 15: I

[3:01:29] Voice 18: just wanted to really,

[3:01:30] Voice 18: introduce myself um i have uh an application in development application in hopefully i'll be in

[3:01:37] Voice 18: front of you next month um

[3:01:39] Voice 15: but i'm a fifth generation dc but i've lived most of my adult

[3:01:43] Voice 15: life in california um moved to salt screen to weather the pandemic be safe um caretake my

[3:01:51] Voice 15: next-door neighbor's property i've been making friends and um you know really want to make my

[3:01:57] Voice 15: I establish my roots here, contribute to the community, and my property is super unique.

[3:02:06] Voice 15: It's almost adjacent to Rucka Park, and I consider myself, I mean, the reason I'm doing

[3:02:13] Voice 15: this is because I want to husband the property, preserve it, you know, kind of keep it as

[3:02:20] Voice 15: part of the Rucka Park ecosystem, and so that's my objective.

[3:02:23] Voice 15: them uh so anyway i hope to be in front of you soon um you know i'm looking forward to working

[3:02:31] Voice 15: with you and staff to uh make a development that is in everyone's interest and uh towards

[3:02:39] Voice 15: the preservation of the values uh and ecosystem that we admire so much about salt spring that

[3:02:45] Voice 15: mix-up of these days.

[3:02:46] Voice 14: Thank you. Okay,

[3:02:48] Voice 12: thank you very much.

[3:02:59] Voice 14: My

[3:03:00] Voice 22: name is Julia Lucich, and I would like to speak to a matter of accountability.

[3:03:07] Voice 22: First of all, can you hear me? Yep. Okay. So as a ratepayer, what are we to do when bylaws are

[3:03:16] Voice 22: misinterpreted by staff or procedures are abused? What happens when supervision seems lacking?

[3:03:24] Voice 22: and when did the trustees step up i'll give you some examples during our recent subdivision

[3:03:31] Voice 22: process excuse me staff twice overruled direction from our legal counsel and submitted material to

[3:03:40] Voice 22: the land title office which the lto rejected as defective this required revision and resubmission

[3:03:50] Voice 22: costing us both in time and expense we discussed this issue with a trustee who expressed concern

[3:03:57] Voice 22: but said it's not considered appropriate for trustees to uh intervene with staff okay

[3:04:05] Voice 22: second you've each excuse me you've each been copied on correspondence i've had over the last

[3:04:13] Voice 22: four months with the director of local planning services given our experience as applicants i'd

[3:04:20] Voice 22: come up with a two-part question i'm quoting here essentially with whom does the responsibility lie

[3:04:26] Voice 22: to recognize problems with existing bylaws and take initiative to amend it can the administration

[3:04:33] Voice 22: be expected to identify these specifics and propose change or does direction instruction

[3:04:40] Voice 22: need to come from the ltc the gist of his response is that administrative and planning staff have no

[3:04:48] Voice 22: responsibility or professional obligation to take initiative in that regard instead the onus falls

[3:04:55] Voice 22: to the public who in turn should reach out to the trustees according to him these aren't his

[3:05:03] Voice 22: responsibilities they're mine and yours third and last we recently reached out to planning staff to

[3:05:11] Voice 22: ask why a variance was not being used to address a non-conforming building size the response was

[3:05:18] Voice 22: that for bylaw 355 its size is quote tied to use end quote and that per the local government act it

[3:05:27] Voice 22: cannot vary use or density by way of a development variance permit end quote this misinterpreted both

[3:05:36] Voice 22: the bylaw as well as the lga basically does a building transform into something else because

[3:05:43] Voice 22: plus the size is non-conforming if so what does it transform into maybe a wind hanger the planning

[3:05:51] Voice 22: staff seems to have skipped the following section of the lga which indicates that a variance permit

[3:05:59] Voice 22: is absolutely the appropriate tool to address non-conforming building size and is considered

[3:06:05] Voice 22: so excuse me is considered so minor that it's included as a permit that could be delegated to

[3:06:12] Voice 22: staff by proceeding with this as a bylaw amendment instead it wasn't just an egregious waste of time

[3:06:20] Voice 22: and responses for this local trust committee with an agenda package of 197 pages

[3:06:30] Voice 22: but for the 37 entities to whom this was referred the recent report the management report from gnmc

[3:06:42] Voice 22: consultants identified profound dysfunction and inefficiencies within the trust we can only

[3:06:49] Voice 22: wonder to what extent oversight or lack thereof has contributed to these problems thank you

[3:06:58] Voice 12: any

[3:07:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): others who wish to speak to items uh not on today's agenda or any items

[3:07:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): within the jurisdiction of the Islands Trust.

[3:07:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay.

[3:07:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): Well, thank you very much for taking the time

[3:07:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): to speak to us today.

[3:07:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): We do appreciate all of the voices

[3:07:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): and we'll take the remarks we've heard today

[3:07:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): into consideration.

[3:07:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm going to now move on to applications.

[3:07:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): And we have a development variance permit,

[3:07:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): Howard, at 116 Collins Road.

[3:07:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I'll ask, is the applicant with us today?

[3:07:41] Voice 11: Yeah. Okay,

[3:07:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): great. Thank you for joining us. And so the process that we usually run through is the

[3:07:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): staff present the report. And, and then you would have the opportunity to speak to the report as to

[3:07:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): whether or not you concur or not with the recommendations. And then there'll be an

[3:08:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): opportunity for the trustees to discuss this and they might want to ask you some questions and ask

[3:08:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): staff questions and then

[3:08:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): we'll have a discussion here about um what action to take with respect

[3:08:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): to your application okay so it looks like geordie gordon is our planner on this file today so i'll

[3:08:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): turn it over to planner gordon sure

[3:08:20] Voice 17: we

[3:08:22] Voice 12: got this to work and that's on page three page 319 correct

[3:08:37] Voice 12: of

[3:08:37] Voice 7: our agenda all

[3:08:53] Voice 12: right so we're going to do things a little

[3:08:54] Voice 17: differently i don't have a

[3:08:55] Voice 17: powerpoint for you today but i'm just going to scroll through the agenda package here um as i

[3:09:01] Voice 17: make a couple of points about this um as you know that this is a variance permit application to

[3:09:08] Voice 17: address a number of issues related to sightings and building elements on the subject property

[3:09:13] Voice 17: um those are detailed uh in the report on page 322 specifically um they relate to i won't go

[3:09:24] Voice 17: through them all individually but they do relate to a number of uh non-permitted uh sightings with

[3:09:30] Voice 17: uh in relation to uh accessory buildings uh accessory buildings being over the permitted

[3:09:36] Voice 17: floor area and then uh showers and shower closures being in two accessory buildings and

[3:09:42] Voice 17: a kitchen being in another accessory building um staff do find that a number of the variances

[3:09:51] Voice 17: is permitted are relatively minor in nature and supportable um however the inclusion of the

[3:09:58] Voice 17: kitchen and shower in

[3:09:59] Voice 17: the workshop um entirely likely um to be used as a residence um and there's

[3:10:08] Voice 17: uh supportive correspondence that states as much um so staff find that that is not a

[3:10:16] Voice 17: of supportable variance given the likelihood of unlawful use the variance process is not the

[3:10:25] Voice 17: appropriate application to authorize these changes if the applicant wishes to use that dwelling or

[3:10:32] Voice 17: that sorry pardon me that accessory building as a dwelling an appropriate application would be a

[3:10:38] Voice 17: rezoning to permit the use. Changing, as was commented on by a recent speaker, under the

[3:10:47] Voice 17: Local Government Act, a variance should not change use or density. In this case, the use

[3:10:52] Voice 17: would be changed through the variance to a dwelling. So staff don't support the variance

[3:10:57] Voice 17: for that reason. As I'm sure you've seen, there's a large number of correspondence that

[3:11:04] Voice 17: has been submitted in support of this application, approximately 30 letters. At last count, there

[3:11:09] Voice 17: more that came in this morning um about the majority yes as we say we're in support um

[3:11:16] Voice 17: for various reasons and just generally the uh way the property has been used and people's

[3:11:22] Voice 17: appreciation for that there were um three letters uh received um not necessarily an opposition but

[3:11:31] Voice 17: questioning um requirements of their information one was around uh two around water use um a lack

[3:11:39] Voice 17: of evidence around supporting the uses from a water standpoint and then there's basically around

[3:11:44] Voice 17: the overall land use impact that that was being had that was being felt as involved

[3:11:51] Voice 17: with the development property and that was received from there by neighbor um

[3:11:57] Voice 17: so i'll leave it there as i mentioned um staff don't support the variants for the kitchen and

[3:12:02] Voice 17: char enclosure in the workshop there's been two variance permits prepared um one independence

[3:12:06] Voice 17: 3, which is without the shower and kitchen approved, and then if the LTC wishes to approve

[3:12:13] Voice 17: all variances requested, that's in Appendix 4.

[3:12:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you very much.

[3:12:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): So, let's turn to Ms. Howard, would you like to speak to the report?

[3:12:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): If you speak

[3:12:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): up loudly, probably the microphone will pick

[3:12:33] Voice 26: you up, so.

[3:12:34] Voice 26: the

[3:12:34] Voice 17: point that you're standing there other people can hear you as well

[3:12:37] Voice 26: all

[3:12:38] Voice 12: right

[3:13:02] Voice 15: well thank you um for the opportunity to speak today so it's interesting you talk about

[3:13:12] Voice 15: about leadership uh at this meeting because it's one of the things i'd like to touch on in terms of

[3:13:18] Voice 15: how I perceive leadership in this whole situation

[3:13:24] Voice 15: and how things have unfolded for me

[3:13:26] Voice 15: over the last probably about two years.

[3:13:28] Voice 15: I've been a resident here for, well, about six years now,

[3:13:34] Voice 15: but I'll get into that in a minute.

[3:13:36] Voice 15: But I think that what I'm looking at

[3:13:38] Voice 15: is we do have to elevate our leadership in the world

[3:13:42] Voice 15: to be exceptional in lots of ways.

[3:13:45] Voice 15: And I think you mentioned in terms of being a leader

[3:13:47] Voice 15: that listens and collaborates and seeks to understand

[3:13:51] Voice 15: and has empathy and compassion.

[3:13:54] Voice 15: So that's what I would call exceptional leadership.

[3:13:57] Voice 15: And it has been demonstrated here

[3:13:59] Voice 15: and it has not been demonstrated as well.

[3:14:00] Voice 15: Not here in this room, but just in my overall situation.

[3:14:05] Voice 15: So I do appreciate and accept the responsibility

[3:14:08] Voice 15: I have to steward my land.

[3:14:10] Voice 15: It's not my intention to bastardize it.

[3:14:12] Voice 15: It's not my intention to, you know, I own it

[3:14:16] Voice 15: and I want to take care of it like I think everybody does who owns property.

[3:14:23] Voice 15: Salt Spring has been a part of our family's lives since the late 80s.

[3:14:26] Voice 15: My late brother, Mitch Howard, was a resident here since 95.

[3:14:37] Voice 15: And it was the reason I moved here.

[3:14:38] Voice 15: He since passed, so here we go.

[3:14:41] Voice 15: All right, I knew I'd get emotional, and that's okay,

[3:14:44] Voice 15: because that's part of the process.

[3:14:46] Voice 15: Okay, so I'm a six-year resident here of Salt Spring.

[3:14:50] Voice 15: I'm a registered nurse. My clinical background is pediatric oncology. For those of you who don't

[3:14:55] Voice 15: know, that's kids with cancer. And my mantra for coming to work every day was, how do I make their

[3:15:01] Voice 15: bad day better? And it's no different than what I do here. So I also have a master's in leadership

[3:15:09] Voice 15: and I have an executive coaching certification and I moved into leadership roles in the organization

[3:15:14] Voice 15: at Children's and Women's. And I developed a leadership program that integrated the coach

[3:15:19] Voice 15: approach into leadership which is really about how to actually behave and how to actually help

[3:15:24] Voice 15: people have crucial conversations in a respectful way um and uh in healthcare we look we look at

[3:15:31] Voice 15: systems uh approaches to issues errors happen and mistakes happen and we don't blame the individual

[3:15:37] Voice 15: we don't try and punish them we look at ways to look at it from a system perspective to change

[3:15:43] Voice 15: the system and if there's a lot of people doing the same problem the same error how do we look

[3:15:47] Voice 15: at it differently from a larger perspective and that's what i think is really warranted here um

[3:15:55] Voice 15: so um i come from a family of of builders and renovators and home home home builders we've

[3:16:03] Voice 15: done our own renovations by ourselves for years and years and years um i've renovated and built

[3:16:09] Voice 15: a few homes in the past not here but in the past and so it's been a fabric of our lives um

[3:16:15] Voice 15: um so developing uh my property on Collins was in keeping with everything I've done before in my

[3:16:22] Voice 15: life there's no difference I didn't see any difference to it and so um I did see promise to

[3:16:28] Voice 15: build the property to facilitate the next step in my career which is integrating leadership

[3:16:34] Voice 15: and coaching and I'm now a common form coach into the work I do so my clients include leaders

[3:16:41] Voice 15: from easy health authorities from police to firefighters to care providers nurses physicians

[3:16:45] Voice 15: physicians as well as women with chronic illness and cancer and type 1 diabetes. I also work with

[3:16:52] Voice 15: Wounded Warriors of Canada and I do coaching with couples who are overcoming PTSD. These are

[3:16:59] Voice 15: sensitive conversations that I have with people. Workshops and programs that I have on my property

[3:17:05] Voice 15: are of a sensitive nature and it's my home office. It's where I live and it's where I work

[3:17:12] Voice 15: and so all of those who know me ensure that they call or check in before they come to my property

[3:17:19] Voice 15: because they know that I'm involved in some kind of work that I do. I also host a lot of

[3:17:27] Voice 15: friends and family gatherings and reunions with them. So the background to this is that

[3:17:33] Voice 15: we rented a property in the open mountain that had bunkers at the waters that was really cool

[3:17:39] Voice 15: have been to do. And this is my reference point. So when I purchased the property at Collins Road,

[3:17:44] Voice 15: I wanted to build bunkees. So I went to Islandstress in 2016 to inquire about building

[3:17:51] Voice 15: bunkees. And the advice I was given at the time was that I could build as many 10 by 10 structures

[3:17:57] Voice 15: because I have ample space in my property to do that. And I didn't think anything of it. I didn't

[3:18:03] Voice 15: think that I needed any renovations. And so I went ahead and built 10 by 10 structures on the

[3:18:07] Voice 15: property. The treehouse was built as a logical fund because my property is built on a hill.

[3:18:16] Voice 15: It didn't really occur to me to ask about if I could do renovations. I really didn't,

[3:18:21] Voice 15: I didn't know. It didn't occur to me. There's also a bit of a normative truth here on the island

[3:18:27] Voice 15: that I'm learning about, about people building. It seems to be a common practice.

[3:18:34] Voice 15: Rightly or wrongly, it's a common practice and it's done a lot.

[3:18:39] Voice 15: I didn't question the ramifications of building a work permit.

[3:18:43] Voice 15: It was a seemingly harmless norm to the right of the city.

[3:18:49] Voice 15: It actually would be a really fascinating and healing project to look into why people do this

[3:18:53] Voice 15: and what their motives and values and beliefs are, but beyond the scope of this project.

[3:19:01] Voice 15: So, Jordi, I appreciate the work you put into the report.

[3:19:05] Voice 15: I know it took a lot, and I know that you were very patient.

[3:19:08] Voice 15: And while I think of exceptional leaders as we could be, I think that you have demonstrated

[3:19:13] Voice 15: respect to me.

[3:19:15] Voice 15: You've been responsive.

[3:19:18] Voice 15: And I think that if you're willing to

[3:19:20] Voice 12: look at possibilities and opportunities, I found

[3:19:27] Voice 12: you to be helpful.

[3:19:30] Voice 15: That hasn't been my experience with the rest of the Islands Trust staff.

[3:19:34] Voice 15: So just say that you are a breath of fresh air in this whole diagram.

[3:19:40] Voice 15: So I'll just respond to Dordie's report, and I'm going to speak to my SAG a little bit because I haven't had any chance to speak to anybody about it.

[3:19:50] Voice 15: The workshop was existing when I got there. It was built in 1993. It was then transformed into a marijuana flow operation, and I don't know what happened after it was shut down. I wasn't here.

[3:20:02] Voice 15: So when I purchased the workshop, it was musky and dirty and moldy and infested.

[3:20:06] Voice 15: it um and it was down and it's and so i just needed a storage facility for my equipment

[3:20:11] Voice 15: and i then uh ran to the day of the workshop to my property manager who also did some of my meetings

[3:20:17] Voice 15: um there's no definition of workshop in the bylaw 355 in the dictionary workshop is defined as a

[3:20:27] Voice 15: room or building which goods are manufactured for repair the other side couldn't find definition

[3:20:31] Voice 15: um it's also a noun that means a meeting of which a group of people is made an intensive

[3:20:40] Voice 15: discussion and activity on a particular subject or project so the definition of workshop

[3:20:46] Voice 15: is applicable in this situation because i don't know what that is but it was permitted as a

[3:20:51] Voice 15: workshop um and a traditional workshop probably contains tools such as saws and hammers a blow

[3:20:58] Voice 15: torch, shelving, totes, wood, whatever, all capable of keeping, storing, and preparing food.

[3:21:07] Voice 15: You throw a bar fridge, and a kettle, and a sleeping bag, and you've got yourself a glowing

[3:21:10] Voice 15: evening. So I think there's a lot of interpretation that can happen with some of the bylaws and how

[3:21:16] Voice 15: they're interpreted, and so it could be also to do that. Oh, and it's still portable.

[3:21:24] Voice 15: So the renovations occurred in my workshop to transform it into a safe and functional

[3:21:28] Voice 15: healthy workspace for restorative holistic care. This contract requires wraparound support for

[3:21:35] Voice 15: participants with the essential business instruments to offer workshops, fitness,

[3:21:40] Voice 15: prenatal classes, yoga, manufacturing body products, and it's essential to have appropriate

[3:21:47] Voice 15: hygiene and cleaning facilities, especially post-pandemic, now that we witness the importance

[3:21:53] Voice 15: in sanitized spaces. My clients range from childbearing age to mid-career and to retired

[3:21:59] Voice 15: women, mostly 65 and over, including first responders, physicians, moms, caregivers,

[3:22:07] Voice 15: and other professions. My business partner, she has a child that's really healthy.

[3:22:14] Voice 15: So the tools for work that I do include yoga mats, yoga blankets, a microwave, a fridge,

[3:22:22] Voice 15: a stove, a kettle, water, shower, toilet, private room, split charts, tables, chairs,

[3:22:27] Voice 15: candle making supplies, wood carvings, eye washing stations, my

[3:22:30] Voice 15: paintbrushes and much more for the business that I do in my workshop.

[3:22:33] Voice 15: So I have a whole bunch of activities here that show some of the things that I do in my workshop

[3:22:38] Voice 15: now, well I did before COVID. So the rationale to create this workshop as a healthy and restorative

[3:22:46] Voice 15: place and studio was first of all I needed a shower to clean up after fitness classes

[3:22:51] Voice 15: for dance segments, body work, such as massage and wahani,

[3:22:55] Voice 15: and yoga practice, which is cold water therapy,

[3:22:58] Voice 15: which in my yoga practice is much like people who get a cold this year

[3:23:02] Voice 15: in terms of most immune support and healing.

[3:23:07] Voice 15: You need a toilet.

[3:23:08] Voice 15: I think probably everybody took a bathroom break here during the recess,

[3:23:12] Voice 15: so you need something to actually go to the bathroom in

[3:23:16] Voice 15: to provide an easily accessible private elimination for pregnant women,

[3:23:21] Voice 15: women, which I think maybe you have experienced that. Disabled children, elderly, and people

[3:23:28] Voice 15: with bowel and bladder conditions. Cancer, diabetes, and overall a decent space to relieve

[3:23:33] Voice 15: oneself. I don't think that's too much to ask for a bathroom. A cooking workshop space

[3:23:39] Voice 15: for preparing simple snacks and storing potluck presents when we had our workshops. And my

[3:23:44] Voice 15: colleague, the intention was that she would come in and make the body products together

[3:23:49] Voice 15: and for other crafts that we make.

[3:23:54] Voice 15: And then a laundry and storage room

[3:23:55] Voice 15: for washing the yoga blankets, bolster covers,

[3:23:58] Voice 15: body worksheets and towels,

[3:23:59] Voice 15: and the storage of teaching supplies.

[3:24:02] Voice 15: And then more than three rooms,

[3:24:04] Voice 15: as above for privacy to break out space for coaching,

[3:24:07] Voice 15: for quiet space and relaxing and storage.

[3:24:09] Voice 15: And then the other part of storage space

[3:24:11] Voice 15: with bikes, furniture and tools,

[3:24:12] Voice 15: post maintenance stuff and whatever else

[3:24:14] Voice 15: you put in a garage.

[3:24:17] Voice 15: So in June of 2020, the height of the pandemic,

[3:24:20] Voice 15: and angst of the pandemic all my in-person workshops were obviously cancelled and halted

[3:24:26] Voice 15: and my property manager inquired with the island's trust about using my renovated workshop as a

[3:24:30] Voice 15: seasonal cottage for long-term rentals and that was denied several residents who knew me and knew

[3:24:36] Voice 15: sort of what i had done said can you rent that to me and i said no i'm not allowed to so i denied

[3:24:41] Voice 15: use of the workshop in this way so basically the workshop has essentially been unused for

[3:24:48] Voice 15: much during the pandemic, a little bit here and there. So I started planting the gardens around

[3:24:53] Voice 15: my property, planted some unique and healing spaces including a fraternity plant garden,

[3:24:58] Voice 15: a bamboo forest and a peace garden. My vision is to create an experience for people, especially

[3:25:03] Voice 15: elderly people that come and visit my gardens and have tea and my neighbour and I are organising a

[3:25:09] Voice 15: a tea for them. I've talked a lot about my idea around that. Again, it'll be necessary to have a

[3:25:17] Voice 15: private bathroom for people to use. And most recently, which is one of the correspondence

[3:25:23] Voice 15: that you've received already, is that my niece, who is my sister-in-law's daughter,

[3:25:30] Voice 15: not biologically to me, her and her partner are expecting their first child, and they are

[3:25:36] Voice 15: are in need of a place to live um and so since uh I switched on what I do now um I thought I could

[3:25:44] Voice 15: maybe offer them a space to um live not everybody could live in that space but it's um it would be

[3:25:51] Voice 15: helpful for me too because I need help with property maintenance you've been to my property

[3:25:55] Voice 15: you've been to my property you see what it's like um and she would also be able to help me with my

[3:25:59] Voice 15: programs um she's a holistic nutritionist and um she can help me with some of the things and I

[3:26:04] Voice 15: I think an intergenerational living situation

[3:26:07] Voice 15: is a win-win for everybody and so forth.

[3:26:13] Voice 15: So I think that's, the other responses are,

[3:26:16] Voice 15: I guess the shower that I put in the bathhouse

[3:26:19] Voice 15: down by the tree house.

[3:26:21] Voice 15: I have no common showers in my room, my house.

[3:26:24] Voice 15: They're all private.

[3:26:27] Voice 15: In response to the, I didn't know.

[3:26:34] Voice 15: When I inquired with Islands Trust in 2016,

[3:26:36] Voice 15: and they said you could build as many 10 by 10s as you want

[3:26:39] Voice 15: because you'd have lots of space.

[3:26:41] Voice 15: I don't know where the workshop was or wasn't included

[3:26:44] Voice 15: in my property, but I believe it demonstrates a gap

[3:26:48] Voice 15: in records management with the Island's Trust.

[3:26:51] Voice 15: I was told that I didn't use permits

[3:26:53] Voice 15: for 10 by 10 structures, so I was operating off of that.

[3:26:55] Voice 15: And so all of them,

[3:26:57] Voice 15: and I was zoned for a seasonal cottage.

[3:26:59] Voice 15: And so in my mind, my bath house and my tree house

[3:27:02] Voice 15: became my seasonal cottage,

[3:27:04] Voice 15: and it has a less imprint than a 56 meter square

[3:27:08] Voice 15: and allowed on my property for a seasonal cottage.

[3:27:10] Voice 15: So it's actually less than what I actually could have.

[3:27:15] Voice 15: And then the tree house was built

[3:27:17] Voice 15: using existing trees for support.

[3:27:19] Voice 15: So I didn't put any other supports in there.

[3:27:21] Voice 15: The actual structure is built on footings

[3:27:23] Voice 15: and then it uses the trees on the property

[3:27:26] Voice 15: as really support the deck really.

[3:27:32] Voice 15: I think it's quite a unique amenity of Salt Spring, and I've had several people come from Salt Spring to stay in it, and they talk about how it's one of their favourite places on Salt Spring to stay in.

[3:27:46] Voice 15: I didn't do anything to my septic field, so that's all I'm going to say.

[3:27:51] Voice 15: So if you guys want to come and figure it out, go and figure it out, but I didn't do anything to my septic field.

[3:27:55] Voice 15: deal. So in terms of leadership approach, I was initially contacted by Islands Trust in May of

[3:28:01] Voice 15: 2020. A by-law officer entered my property unannounced to discuss a complaint that was

[3:28:06] Voice 15: made by a neighbor who rents the college across from my workshop, and I was on a call, a client

[3:28:11] Voice 15: call at the time. I initiated contact with the officer to discuss and educate myself so I could

[3:28:16] Voice 15: understand the proper protocols, and I believe this satisfied the complaint. I thought it was

[3:28:20] Voice 15: the end of it. The inquiry with the Islands Trust in June triggered a full series of emails amongst

[3:28:28] Voice 15: bylaw officers, amongst the staff, and amongst CRB. In September of 2020, in the height of the pandemic,

[3:28:34] Voice 15: I received warning tickets, and once again, I educated myself to learn about the bylaws.

[3:28:39] Voice 15: During this difficult time, I started to gather the documents and required assessments that were

[3:28:44] Voice 15: asked of me. There were many delays due to continual restrictions from the provincial health office.

[3:28:49] Voice 15: In February of 2021, I received eight bylaw tickets with no substantiated evidence and no

[3:28:56] Voice 15: request for a site visit by any bylaw officer, despite the fact that they keep telling me that

[3:29:00] Voice 15: I refused entry. No one's actually ever asked me to come. Again, I endeavored to educate myself

[3:29:07] Voice 15: by organizing phone calls, initiating a Zoom meeting. I initiated it with the manager to

[3:29:12] Voice 15: facilitate open and respectful conversation. To prepare for that meeting, I actually did a lot of

[3:29:18] Voice 15: of mediation coaching I got from somebody

[3:29:21] Voice 15: to help me to have that conversation respectfully.

[3:29:25] Voice 15: I was told the followup date was tentative

[3:29:27] Voice 15: as confirmed by an email from him

[3:29:29] Voice 15: and heard nothing else back from him.

[3:29:32] Voice 15: And so until a surprise and unannounced visit

[3:29:35] Voice 15: by two men that were on my beach,

[3:29:39] Voice 15: they accessed the beach through my neighbor's property

[3:29:42] Voice 15: by trespassing onto it.

[3:29:44] Voice 15: Going down to the beach was private access.

[3:29:46] Voice 15: so essentially it's like coming somebody coming to your back door unannounced

[3:29:51] Voice 15: um the officer did not identify himself and instead he peppered me with questions

[3:29:55] Voice 15: and it wasn't until he called my name up and ascended the stairs

[3:30:00] Voice 15: to identify them from our Zoom call in March.

[3:30:02] Voice 15: Although I'd made several attempts to engage

[3:30:04] Voice 15: in a professional manner and learn the complexity

[3:30:06] Voice 15: of the bylaws and processes,

[3:30:08] Voice 15: I was met with aggression, accusatory judgments,

[3:30:10] Voice 15: both on the phone and during surprise visits to my property.

[3:30:13] Voice 15: It was disrespectful and I felt harassed by the manager

[3:30:17] Voice 15: and judged by the CAO of Islands Trust.

[3:30:20] Voice 15: When I reviewed the email exchanges between IT and CRD staff,

[3:30:23] Voice 15: most of the correspondence is about me, to me and at me,

[3:30:27] Voice 15: not with me.

[3:30:28] Voice 15: it's all making judgments and

[3:30:30] Voice 15: that's what they think I actually

[3:30:32] Voice 15: am and what I've done

[3:30:34] Voice 15: very little of the conversation is with me

[3:30:36] Voice 15: engaging me in a conversation of curiosity

[3:30:39] Voice 15: respect or seeking to

[3:30:40] Voice 15: understand my situation at all

[3:30:42] Voice 15: I don't know how you guys would feel

[3:30:46] Voice 15: if you have unannounced

[3:30:48] Voice 15: visits from two identified men on your

[3:30:49] Voice 15: property, taking pictures

[3:30:52] Voice 15: without consent, trying to open

[3:30:54] Voice 15: doors of your buildings

[3:30:55] Voice 15: and never once inquiring about who you are

[3:30:58] Voice 15: on your situation. It scared the crap out of me. So I met with the RCMP and I filed a formal

[3:31:09] Voice 15: complaint as per the CAO's recommendation. I filed a complaint with the Ombudsperson and I spoke with

[3:31:15] Voice 15: the trustees twice and spoke with the CAO twice. The response from the CAO was hugely disappointing

[3:31:20] Voice 15: and rocked with inaccuracy and untruths and I haven't bothered to respond to his response

[3:31:25] Voice 15: because I'm tired of it. I'm tired of trying to get someone to hear me about how horrible this

[3:31:30] Voice 15: has been for me. I was concerned for the safety and privacy of my family and guests in the

[3:31:35] Voice 15: sanctity of my property while coaching my clients and conducting my business. As a trauma-informed

[3:31:42] Voice 15: coach, this entire experience has been traumatizing for me. I've installed security and monitoring

[3:31:48] Voice 15: planners to my property. I've hired a lawyer to avoid the aggression and the harassment

[3:31:53] Voice 15: I experienced by the bylaw officer. I requested to work with a planner from IT to resolve

[3:31:58] Voice 15: the issues and initially because i was denied um and told work with by law enforcement which

[3:32:03] Voice 15: i refused to so i did refuse once i had to request access to uh to a planner the second

[3:32:10] Voice 15: time and i was assigned to jerry and i i i thank you that i am i was so my experience validates

[3:32:18] Voice 15: the hesitancy that residents have with engaging with the islands trust because i found that once

[3:32:24] Voice 15: Once I engaged, put in an email, it just set up a whole bunch of cascade of things about what I may or may not be doing,

[3:32:31] Voice 15: rather than actually inquiring about what I wanted to do and how could somebody help me.

[3:32:36] Voice 15: My hope is now that IT staff and trustees have visited my property and I've sent all the documents I need to,

[3:32:43] Voice 15: these variances can be granted and I can continue to offer the ever-increasingly performant form of work

[3:32:48] Voice 15: on a beautiful, safe and healing sanctuary I've developed.

[3:32:51] Voice 15: developed and i just want to learn earn a living to my b&b and short-term vacation rental um i also

[3:32:58] Voice 15: however you want to call it um which i hate that term by the way um but i'm also offering to be a

[3:33:05] Voice 15: landlord which i hesitate to do a lot of the times because i've been a landlord and i know what it's

[3:33:09] Voice 15: like to be a landlord it's not easy and i get it so i get it why people are hesitant of being

[3:33:15] Voice 15: landlords and why they want short-term vacation rents because they can make people go if they

[3:33:20] Voice 15: want to. But I am willing to be a landlord and it has to be a very specific couple of

[3:33:25] Voice 15: people who I would be a landlord to, I just wouldn't do it for anybody. And so my hope

[3:33:30] Voice 15: is also that some of the recommendations I've put forth in my several letters to the CAO

[3:33:34] Voice 15: and to the trustees will be considered and suggested. I work with police officers and

[3:33:41] Voice 15: they have shared their way of engaging with real criminals and they use an approach of

[3:33:46] Voice 15: respect and dignity. It's far more effective and impactful for everyone involved. So a distinct

[3:33:53] Voice 15: conclusion, I moved here to have a lifestyle that brought me peace, ease and calm. I envisioned only

[3:34:01] Voice 15: possibility and potential for getting on this magical property. I created a space and place

[3:34:07] Voice 15: for people to heal and learn and grow and flourish. My intentions were from a place of generosity,

[3:34:14] Voice 15: compassion connection and desire to help others in addition to living through a pandemic away

[3:34:21] Voice 15: from my family and friends I have navigated a complex and threatening process in all of the

[3:34:28] Voice 15: correspondence with the IT staff CAO and trustees I've made recommendations for a more collaborative

[3:34:33] Voice 15: respectful approach to work with residents to problem solve rather than endure the experience

[3:34:38] Voice 15: I've had I'm not alone in these types of threatening and harassing situations many

[3:34:43] Voice 15: Many residents within the Gulf Islands have experienced

[3:34:45] Voice 15: distressing visits from bylaw officers, coercive tactics,

[3:34:48] Voice 15: creating more tension, fear, and stress.

[3:34:50] Voice 15: This way of being is not conducive to building community, trust, or unity.

[3:34:56] Voice 15: We need to be at a point in our evolution

[3:34:58] Voice 15: to rise above the old ways of command, power, and control

[3:35:01] Voice 15: to ways of learning and understanding, collaborating, and connecting.

[3:35:06] Voice 15: Respectful ways of being possible in all levels of government

[3:35:11] Voice 15: and politics and law enforcement.

[3:35:14] Voice 15: I want to leave you with this passage from Richard Lagomisi, from his book Embers, how he's passed away since.

[3:35:25] Voice 15: I've been considering this phrase all my relations for some time now. It's hugely important. It's our saving grace in the end.

[3:35:33] Voice 15: It points to the truth that we're all related, that we are all connected, and that we all belong to each other.

[3:35:39] Voice 15: the most important word is all not just those who look like me sing like me dance like me speak

[3:35:46] Voice 15: like me pray like me or behave like me all my relations that means every person just as it

[3:35:53] Voice 15: means every rock blade of glass and paper we live because everything else does if we were to choose

[3:35:59] Voice 15: collectively to live that teaching the energy of our change of consciousness would heal each of us

[3:36:05] Voice 15: and feel the climate so thank you for your time uh to be heard thank you jordan for working with

[3:36:11] Voice 15: me and i'm sure you have more to do and um thank you very much thank you

[3:36:15] Voice 15: thank you everybody thank

[3:36:17] Voice 12: you so

[3:36:21] Voice 3: trustees um do you have any questions for planning staff or the applicant with respect to

[3:36:28] Voice 3: of the application here?

[3:36:31] Voice 3: Recommendation?

[3:36:32] Voice 12: Sure.

[3:36:36] Voice 12: Thank you.

[3:36:37] Voice 12: I know that was difficult

[3:36:39] Voice 12: to do and I thank you for doing that.

[3:36:47] Voice 12: What you say, there's so much in there

[3:36:49] Voice 12: and I spend

[3:36:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): a lot of time

[3:36:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): looking at myself at what is good governance?

[3:36:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): What is what's going forward?

[3:36:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): And

[3:36:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): our systems that we have,

[3:37:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): our constructed systems,

[3:37:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): built these. Primarily they were

[3:37:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): were built by men sorry and that's not me to be

[3:37:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): looking at staff but the systems are very and

[3:37:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): and i think in the conversation we had it was a really eye-opening when you said what's a workshop

[3:37:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): for a woman and it is true that our our bylaws this is ours we look to all the bylaws in the

[3:37:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): the area they workshops were built for saws and sawdust and didn't contemplate at all what a woman

[3:37:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): might want in a workshop what it would look like so it's no doubt that our our our land use bylaws

[3:37:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): you know aren't a modern view on sort of what what the world is and because

[3:37:54] Voice 15: they came from

[3:37:54] Voice 15: other examples somebody

[3:37:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): started somewhere defining a workshop jumped on board

[3:38:00] Voice 15: we

[3:38:01] Voice 11: have a lot of work

[3:38:02] Voice 11: to do you

[3:38:03] Voice 15: know to make

[3:38:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): our bylaws really work for who we are now and and i know

[3:38:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): my property with a structure the size that you have it's like what do i do with it how do i make

[3:38:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): it work i had lots of choices today i do know that you are this property is qualified for

[3:38:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): the rental cottage as

[3:38:31] Voice 15: well and

[3:38:33] Voice 12: um yes the structure is

[3:38:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): large larger than what's allowed

[3:38:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): but an accessory dwelling unit hopefully as we move forward we'll deal with accessory

[3:38:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): dwellings and accessory buildings and

[3:38:51] Voice 12: building permits and so forth to deal with the fire safety

[3:39:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): um and i think the the concept that you're working for is very much what what i'm interested in

[3:39:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): looking at with accessory dwelling units it's about using the structures that already exist

[3:39:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): on the island um in in a good way

[3:39:21] Voice 12: and that's good for everybody so um i absolutely support

[3:39:32] Voice 12: the alternative um motion here for the uh

[3:39:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): variances um you know i can only say in my

[3:39:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): my role that i have um executive i you know what some of the what words that you've shared here

[3:39:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): are important

[3:39:52] Voice 12: and have to be addressed and i'll do what i can and

[3:39:59] Voice 17: which one's that yeah one more

[3:40:01] Voice 17: it's

[3:40:01] Voice 12: three it's 3 25. the middle of the page yeah if i may hello chair oh sorry i'm trying to focus

[3:40:24] Voice 12: on the

[3:40:25] Voice 3: option that uh speaking to you so go ahead

[3:40:29] Voice 17: um thank you um i have um um and um i enjoyed my

[3:40:38] Voice 17: visit to your property. It is gorgeous. To get to the chase, I am actually in agreement

[3:40:49] Voice 17: with my fellow trustee here, but I want to just say a few things with regard to some

[3:40:55] Voice 17: of the comments that have been made. The issue here is not about leadership, and it's not

[3:41:02] Voice 17: about your integrity, or it's not about the work you do or the kind of person you are.

[3:41:07] Voice 17: I mean, I think that's all very valid.

[3:41:11] Voice 17: This is actually about very basic bylaws.

[3:41:15] Voice 17: And, you know, it happens all the time, people.

[3:41:18] Voice 17: We have bylaws for a reason.

[3:41:20] Voice 17: They are built over a significant period of time based upon our official community plan,

[3:41:26] Voice 17: an official community plan which hundreds, if not thousands, of hours put together by the community.

[3:41:33] Voice 17: And from that plan, bylaws develop.

[3:41:37] Voice 17: develop and it's some staff's job to provide trustees with recommendations based on those

[3:41:46] Voice 17: bylaws I mean that's not a privilege they are to be considered seriously so and so we have our

[3:41:55] Voice 17: bylaws and we also the CRD has its building permit bylaws and we can't ignore them and what staff is

[3:42:02] Voice 17: saying about this application is look um this is not a development variance permit application or

[3:42:08] Voice 17: it shouldn't be because dvp doesn't allow it doesn't accommodate this kind of uh increase

[3:42:15] Voice 17: in density is what we're talking about bottom line i mean it's very interesting how the

[3:42:21] Voice 17: conversation has changed from um providing you know additional uh accessories in your

[3:42:30] Voice 17: in your workshop to

[3:42:32] Voice 8: becoming

[3:42:33] Voice 17: an additional residence. Quite frankly, when you and I went

[3:42:37] Voice 17: around the property, there was no suggestion that it was going to be an additional residence.

[3:42:42] Voice 17: And I think that's where the challenge is. The challenge is dealing with the bylaw.

[3:42:50] Voice 17: I mean, I think the renovations you've done are lovely. And I think your

[3:42:55] Voice 17: your bunky as you put it is lovely. I worry about the bunky quite frankly because I don't know it's

[3:43:00] Voice 17: being supported by a tree. I have nothing about how building is. I built

[3:43:07] Voice 17: my first house in Vancouver without using a level and one of the few nice things that my

[3:43:15] Voice 17: ex-wife did to me is she bought me a level as a consequence. I still use it and I think of

[3:43:20] Voice 17: when i use it but so so um i think i digressed for a moment um but um you know this that tree house i

[3:43:29] Voice 17: think needs proper standard approval the other point that we made and i was told this when we

[3:43:33] Voice 17: arrived on our property that we could have as many 10 by 10 buildings as we wanted 10 by 10 does not

[3:43:38] Voice 17: include the depth i believe correct and then to ask you is that a nod from uh from my well the

[3:43:47] Voice 17: 10 by 10 question is a bit more nuanced i think i can't tell you i'm sorry it's a bit more nuanced

[3:43:52] Voice 17: Yes, the 10 by 10 is intended only as a utility shed.

[3:43:56] Voice 17: It's not intended for residential occupancy.

[3:43:59] Voice 17: No, fair enough.

[3:44:00] Voice 17: Okay, but you can build as many 10 by 10 sheds,

[3:44:02] Voice 17: but that doesn't include a very nice deck like we've got.

[3:44:05] Voice 17: So there's an issue with that.

[3:44:08] Voice 17: And then you just proceeded and did all these additions

[3:44:11] Voice 17: to your workshop without getting building permits.

[3:44:19] Voice 17: I mean, I think you knew what you were doing.

[3:44:21] Voice 17: I don't believe Charlie just decided to go ahead and do it, and I appreciate that.

[3:44:30] Voice 17: So it is about bylaws, and we have to protect our bylaws.

[3:44:36] Voice 17: We are the local trust committee that develops bylaws, and with input from the staff and

[3:44:43] Voice 17: support from the OECD, as I mentioned, and we need to live with them.

[3:44:48] Voice 17: I'm very upset about the way you seem to have interacted with the bylaw enforcement people.

[3:44:56] Voice 17: I think that that requires some investigation.

[3:45:01] Voice 17: I've been a mediator for a large portion of my life and I've discovered that there's always two sides and there's always misunderstandings.

[3:45:09] Voice 17: So, I mean, I suspect that if one were to spend time with this and everybody involved,

[3:45:15] Voice 17: there's an explanation to some of the behaviors that you've described.

[3:45:20] Voice 17: And otherwise, I'm appalled by some of the things you have said.

[3:45:26] Voice 17: In any event, let's move on.

[3:45:31] Voice 17: I think you're going to need building permits, I understand. Is that right?

[3:45:36] Voice 17: right? So I don't know what the CRD is going to do about that, whether or not what you've done

[3:45:43] Voice 17: meets the code. And I don't know how they go about checking on the code after a structure

[3:45:50] Voice 17: is in place. I mean, there's wires, there's pipes, there's all of this stuff. I don't know

[3:45:54] Voice 17: how they do that. But I don't think that that's our job, quite frankly. And I wish you luck with

[3:46:01] Voice 17: that and as i say the um tree and i built a shed a woodshed and i used a tree to um support one

[3:46:09] Voice 17: corner of it and the problem i didn't really account for is she carried on growing and so

[3:46:15] Voice 17: very quickly the whole roof went a bit wobbly um and so i would hate to think that's happening with

[3:46:20] Voice 17: your treehouse um

[3:46:22] Voice 12: that needs to be

[3:46:23] Voice 17: checked out

[3:46:25] Voice 17: so um that's all i have to say um i am prepared

[3:46:29] Voice 17: fair to support these option number three um that uh sorry sorry sorry go on if

[3:46:36] Voice 17: i may just

[3:46:37] Voice 17: i apologize apologies um there's a typo in that um resolution it should be appendix four

[3:46:45] Voice 17: that

[3:46:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): was my question so

[3:46:47] Voice 17: i apologize for that sorry what did you say oh just the

[3:46:51] Voice 17: wrong detail

[3:46:52] Voice 17: that should be the appendix for the intention is to approve all variances requested

[3:46:56] Voice 17: it yeah and it's four not appendix three as the alternative resolution um so

[3:47:02] Voice 15: that's actually what's

[3:47:03] Voice 15: actually being approved then just so i'm clear well

[3:47:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): we're not approving anything yet we're just

[3:47:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): having a discussion at the moment okay

[3:47:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): so um the alternative

[3:47:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): we will be clear about

[3:47:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): that when we

[3:47:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): get there and i will want to check in with you to make

[3:47:15] Voice 3: sure so you understand what that is okay um

[3:47:20] Voice 17: and but i i am i do think that that so the treehouse needs to have a professional report

[3:47:26] Voice 17: or maybe it's perfectly adequate from to rely on crd and the building development process

[3:47:31] Voice 17: that is yeah i only have a concern about that sheet can

[3:47:36] Voice 15: i respond to your to you

[3:47:39] Voice 15: or what

[3:47:40] Voice 12: is this um yeah you know

[3:47:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): um i think you can respond uh if you wish um uh

[3:47:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): you want to get into it i don't

[3:47:53] Voice 17: want to get into it i'm happy with what i have said and i don't

[3:47:56] Voice 15: I don't want to debate,

[3:47:57] Voice 17: I don't

[3:47:59] Voice 15: want to debate at all, I just want to clarify that we didn't have a conversation about anyone living in my workshop, we got the conversation, and it will be, if there's no space, if there's someone living there, I won't do it, if I have to go through another process, I won't do it, I'm still using it for my workshop, so that's why I'm adamant that who's going to live there, it can't just be anybody, it can be someone who's going to actually integrate with what I do.

[3:48:27] Voice 17: By the way, speaking of workshops, I am going to speak up on something I'm thinking of developing in the program.

[3:48:32] Voice 17: I was asking a question about workshops, and

[3:48:38] Voice 12: I'm a total

[3:48:38] Voice 17: fan of women in my town,

[3:48:40] Voice 17: and developing and building in just as much as any boy would do.

[3:48:48] Voice 17: So I don't think that workshops are meant just for men.

[3:48:51] Voice 8: I think it's rather just a level.

[3:48:54] Voice 17: Yes, I gave them levels when they were very small children.

[3:49:03] Voice 12: Thank you.

[3:49:07] Voice 26: okay um so i have a couple

[3:49:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): questions i just want to be clear on what we're doing here

[3:49:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): um and that the questions that applicants are clear and what it is that we are approving or not

[3:49:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): and who might be approving anything else that we're not true because i think that needs to be

[3:49:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): clear um so i'll ask my questions then i just want to be remarked on it at the end of it

[3:49:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): but um so you clarify the appendix four is the alternate which approves all the current uses

[3:49:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): so in that list of all the current uses it does say here on our report as the subject

[3:49:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): and that needs to clarity on this allow the use of accessory building in a bed and breakfast

[3:49:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): operation that and adverse society and existing septic so i'm presuming that

[3:49:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): that is not part of

[3:49:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): attendance for or is that also part of attendance it

[3:50:03] Voice 17: is and that was if i may it was intended to

[3:50:06] Voice 17: allow the operation of the bed and breakfast in the treehouse and the bathhouse together because

[3:50:13] Voice 17: the way the regulations are written it doesn't allow for that arrangement so it would effectively

[3:50:18] Voice 17: allow the treehouse or the bathhouse to work together as a unit for a bed and breakfast

[3:50:25] Voice 3: So then what about the

[3:50:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): workshop being used as a dwelling for a temporary or ongoing use?

[3:50:33] Voice 17: Well, the variance doesn't authorize that use because it cannot.

[3:50:40] Voice 17: All it does is authorize the placement of the kitchen and the shower.

[3:50:44] Voice 17: okay so

[3:50:45] Voice 3: then trustee patrick asked if i'm not mistaken about the potential of that being used

[3:50:51] Voice 3: as a whatever we call it now an accessory dwelling unit outside the structure but the size is the

[3:50:59] Voice 3: problem well

[3:51:02] Voice 17: there is nothing necessarily the bylaw now that would allow that uh accessory

[3:51:08] Voice 17: dwelling unit okay so the

[3:51:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): workshop cannot be used

[3:51:12] Voice 3: as well it can be used as a bed and breakfast

[3:51:17] Voice 17: to not be used as bed breakfast the intent with the washroom and kitchen

[3:51:24] Voice 17: if it was not to be a dwelling would be to facilitate some sort of workshop um but given

[3:51:31] Voice 17: the elements of the building the likelihood of it being used unlawfully is extremely high

[3:51:36] Voice 3: there's the dilemma i think catches us a lot of the time here

[3:51:43] Voice 3: okay so i'll just ask the

[3:51:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): applicant at this juncture if we're approving everything in appendix four which is all of

[3:51:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): these instances that has drawn our attention that our attention is drawn to i'm not using

[3:52:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): the workshop as a full-time resident is what you understand when at the end of the day

[3:52:06] Voice 3: would be how it is and you're you're satisfied with that or you may you may want to do that but

[3:52:13] Voice 3: but we know that we're

[3:52:14] Voice 12: not allowed.

[3:52:17] Voice 12: I'm just trying to be clear.

[3:52:19] Voice 12: Okay, so then this is great.

[3:52:23] Voice 12: You know, this is a learning opportunity for me too,

[3:52:26] Voice 12: just so you know I've been listening.

[3:52:29] Voice 24: And your proposition about the use of the kitchen and shower

[3:52:35] Voice 24: in a workshop is absolutely exactly what

[3:52:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): Jordan has just said,

[3:52:43] Voice 12: is that we use a

[3:52:45] Voice 3: shower and kitchens and methods to define it well.

[3:52:51] Voice 3: And it has been one of the

[3:52:53] Voice 3: only ways

[3:52:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): proposed to us by our legal representation

[3:52:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): and hierarchy to provide those restrictions from every single accessory building

[3:53:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): on every property being

[3:53:05] Voice 3: used as another dwelling under our notion of having

[3:53:08] Voice 3: control of density of population.

[3:53:10] Voice 3: So I am completely satisfied with your description of the kitchen and shower and its necessities,

[3:53:22] Voice 3: and I am in full support of approving the amendment.

[3:53:29] Voice 12: So just

[3:53:29] Voice 22: my remarks.

[3:53:31] Voice 22: I really want to thank you for standing up there and telling us what we told you.

[3:53:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): That was not easy.

[3:53:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's remarkable.

[3:53:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): You made yourself vulnerable to us.

[3:53:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): and I just want to acknowledge that.

[3:53:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I type in something.

[3:53:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): My wife

[3:53:48] Voice 3: cuts stone, makes dust,

[3:53:52] Voice 3: uses air tools and chisels and everything else.

[3:53:55] Voice 3: And so, you know, I'm sort of like Peter.

[3:53:58] Voice 3: I have that experience in my world

[3:53:59] Voice 3: where it's not just a male-dominated job.

[3:54:01] Voice 3: And

[3:54:01] Voice 17: you probably do the vacuuming in your house

[3:54:03] Voice 17: just like I do.

[3:54:05] Voice 3: I

[3:54:05] Voice 17: wouldn't go that far.

[3:54:06] Voice 3: I cook most of the meals, but I don't do the vacuuming.

[3:54:09] Voice 3: And that's another discussion.

[3:54:13] Voice 12: So I would just say, you know, there are no excuses, I think, for how

[3:54:23] Voice 26: you have been impacted.

[3:54:25] Voice 26: You know,

[3:54:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm trying to be careful a bit, how you've been impacted by our approach to bylaw enforcement.

[3:54:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I'm certainly going to make some inquiries and ask some questions about that.

[3:54:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): And certainly, just so you know, actually, we initiated our bylaw enforcement staff.

[3:54:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): a number of years ago to actually undergo mediation and training of that sort in hope and

[3:54:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): i too am a mediated negotiated thing and um one would hope that one can be aware of oneself

[3:55:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): in that process you know all this i know that is a conflict you own at least half of it maybe more

[3:55:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): or all of it and so one would have thought that um those uh concepts would be being applied

[3:55:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): by in our thing, but obviously situations are different

[3:55:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): for different reasons.

[3:55:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): And some people have greater skills

[3:55:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): and lesser skills than others.

[3:55:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): So just wanna say, I've heard what you said

[3:55:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): and I too am troubled by the impact we've had.

[3:55:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): I thank you for coming here today and telling us that

[3:55:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): because if you hadn't told us that we wouldn't.

[3:55:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): So that said, I don't think I have any more questions.

[3:55:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): so trustees you want to make a motion or you have any other questions i'll

[3:55:50] Voice 17: move the social

[3:55:50] Voice 17: island local trust committee approve issuance sspvp 2022.3 as presented in appendix four of

[3:55:57] Voice 17: the staff report dated april 19 2022 moved

[3:56:02] Voice 3: and seconded any further discussion all those in

[3:56:05] Voice 3: favor that carry can happen

[3:56:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you were you voting okay perfect so we're together on this and

[3:56:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): uh uh let's hope for a better journey ahead two minutes one or five minutes okay and then we'll

[3:56:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): continue on with 15.2 i'll just ask in advance of peter bro coming back malherin are you is the

[3:56:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): applicant in the room yes hey

[3:56:31] Voice 7: everyone thank you

[3:56:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): very much thank you for joining us today you've

[3:56:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): seeing the process you follow the same session is

[3:56:48] Voice 12: that geordie you're going to do that one too

[3:56:49] Voice 12: thank you sir thank you 2022.1 i'm all here and i hope i got

[3:58:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): you right and uh that's a 319

[3:58:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): up again and we'll turn to planner gordon to uh brief us on this and then we'll come to the

[3:58:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): applicant to see

[3:58:53] Voice 12: what would you say thank you chair so

[3:59:02] Voice 17: this is a application that 319

[3:59:04] Voice 17: Navigandys to amend an existing development permit primarily to facilitate an addition to

[3:59:11] Voice 17: an existing building as well as to update the facade with some unusual lighting elements so

[3:59:22] Voice 17: just as background the current issue GP which was issued in 2004 does appear to function as approved

[3:59:33] Voice 17: There perhaps are some issues with stormwater drainage on site, but as I say, once it is

[3:59:40] Voice 17: functioning as was approved at that time, so staff see no need to request updates at

[3:59:47] Voice 17: this time with the acknowledgement that in the future, the plan is to have a phase two

[3:59:55] Voice 17: development of this property at which time perhaps stormwater management would be addressed

[4:00:00] Voice 17: um so as it's noted um the lighting is a bit of a

[4:00:11] Voice 17: unusual uh type typology for the ltc i'll just bring this up here this is

[4:00:20] Voice 12: this

[4:00:27] Voice 17: perhaps is maybe a bit too poorly lit to see properly but uh essentially i'll let the applicant

[4:00:33] Voice 17: explain it perhaps in more detail but essentially to uh have prepared panels with lighting behind

[4:00:38] Voice 17: find as a way to provide, I guess, building access, as well as lighting, nighttime lighting.

[4:00:48] Voice 17: And the issue there is that the existing development permit guidelines don't really speak to this

[4:00:53] Voice 17: type of lighting.

[4:00:54] Voice 17: So it's difficult to assess, but staff consider there are problems with non-lighting, the

[4:00:59] Voice 17: minimal amount of lighting required, even as the applicant explained that it is less

[4:01:03] Voice 17: impactful than it might otherwise be on site.

[4:01:06] Voice 17: um staff don't have any issues with the proposed changes to the building itself but

[4:01:15] Voice 17: there was some late conversation around water supply particularly around the likelihood of

[4:01:23] Voice 17: saltwater intrusion on the existing well and the lack of commercial licensing for that well

[4:01:31] Voice 17: so um the recommendation is to ask for a stormwater management or pardon me a water

[4:01:38] Voice 1: management

[4:01:38] Voice 17: plan here which identifies uh proposed water sources the water use um any quality issues

[4:01:49] Voice 17: of the need of water demand and then obtaining a commercial water license for the existing well

[4:01:57] Voice 17: and in light of the lgc uh taking that resolution staff would also take the opportunity to refer it

[4:02:05] Voice 17: to um the advisory planning commission and the agriculture advisory planning commission

[4:02:11] Voice 17: for comment on lighting stormwater drainage and water pollution um you may have noticed though

[4:02:19] Voice 17: that the applicant did provide two letters um after the agenda was published that responded

[4:02:30] Voice 17: I haven't had a chance to review those, so I won't offer my opinion on them, but I'll

[4:02:36] Voice 17: let the applicant speak to them if they would like to.

[4:02:40] Voice 17: And then, of course, there are the alternative recommendations, if the LTC is satisfied with

[4:02:45] Voice 17: this, to issue the permit.

[4:02:51] Voice 17: Just that there is, of course, the alternative resolution to approve the permit if the LTC

[4:02:56] Voice 17: wishes to do so.

[4:02:57] Voice 17: and

[4:02:57] Voice 3: that's on the page

[4:02:58] Voice 17: uh that i believe is

[4:03:00] Voice 12: at the end of the report that's on page bottom of 385.

[4:03:12] Voice 12: anyone's got water attachment must be quite excited about this

[4:03:16] Voice 12: okay so i'm

[4:03:23] Voice 3: not moving oh sorry we've got a crowd of people here who's the alphabet

[4:03:27] Voice 3: this is the uh water engineer and the architect um

[4:03:35] Voice 26: so offensively do you uh have any additional

[4:03:40] Voice 26: remarks

[4:03:40] Voice 3: or occur with the staff well i didn't hear the recommendations i didn't hear the

[4:03:48] Voice 3: recommendation oh they're in the report on that um yeah

[4:03:52] Voice 17: so i i thought that we replied to them

[4:03:56] Voice 17: there's no intention to use the well or the saltwater well or any of that so going to get

[4:04:01] Voice 17: a commercial license for a well that we're not going to use the single uh requirement um the um

[4:04:11] Voice 17: And how the water was used, I think we provided that in the supplementary letter, as well as the other requests, the water

[4:04:23] Voice 3: quality that we're using is great.

[4:04:28] Voice 3: And that's for the yield of the well, but we're not dealing with the well, so that seemed not applicable.

[4:04:37] Voice 3: both um so we don't know what the referring into the advisory planning commission or agriculture

[4:04:45] Voice 17: advising planning commission there is uh when the development was built there's there is water

[4:04:51] Voice 17: attachment uh very good drainage and all this it actually goes into um an infiltrator that

[4:05:00] Voice 17: seems to have very little um effluent come out of it anywhere the only water that we see coming

[4:05:07] Voice 17: uh is from across the road which gets diverted um as well as rainwater which we hope to capture

[4:05:14] Voice 17: so that's the only movement moving water so um uh we're not asking for any variants we're just

[4:05:22] Voice 17: asking you know if you know the site it's an old garage and welding shop and we're just asking to

[4:05:29] Voice 17: repurpose it uh largely for a jam business that needs some expansion and some other food processing

[4:05:35] Voice 17: in businesses um that are there and some of the tenants are here and happy to answer questions

[4:05:41] Voice 3: i'm sure so we're trying to be as benign we're not asking for any by-law variants or anything

[4:05:48] Voice 3: like that you know um do you want to speak to the uh to the letters regarding the lighting um so

[4:05:59] Voice 16: we're just trying to make it look less like a garage

[4:06:01] Voice 17: and um in the front there's a panel that

[4:06:06] Voice 17: um has got some very small uh holes in backlit it wasn't uh not finding the offensive it's it's

[4:06:15] Voice 17: very low wattage you know under five watt light uh behind that it's just to make the building look

[4:06:21] Voice 17: pretty i guess um not

[4:06:24] Voice 24: my idea but uh it looks i think i'm happy to speak about that as the

[4:06:29] Voice 24: architect so you know i think that the you know you take a look at a typical industrial building

[4:06:34] Voice 24: or a typical general employment building and you know they don't fit in the landscape very well

[4:06:40] Voice 24: and you know

[4:06:41] Voice 24: they're not very beautiful in most cases and even the existing condition and the way

[4:06:47] Voice 24: that it's currently lit right now is your typical lighting and so as the approach as the architect

[4:06:53] Voice 24: in terms of the design I kind of took a step back and had the question as to you know how can we

[4:07:00] Voice 24: beautify um this building make it more approachable and and um which generally industrial buildings

[4:07:05] Voice 24: are not and um integrated further into the landscape and so bringing in um uh these

[4:07:12] Voice 24: perforated panels with imagery of beautiful salt green island um was uh kind of important to me in

[4:07:20] Voice 24: terms of the design um and integrating it with the this um wood element uh in the front and so

[4:07:28] Voice 24: So with these perforated panels, there's the opportunity to, as he was alluding to, backlight them, not necessarily for the full evening.

[4:07:39] Voice 24: It's even sometimes we look outside today and it's a little gray and dark on a day like today.

[4:07:44] Voice 24: And, you know, it brings the opportunity to showcase this, you know, the beautiful landscape of Salt Spring Island in a different way.

[4:07:52] Voice 24: way. And so that's kind of the approach on it. And

[4:07:56] Voice 24: they're in the letter that I provided

[4:07:58] Voice 24: to you, there's two examples, or there's the existing example, and then the proposed example.

[4:08:04] Voice 24: It's the same lighting, but done in a different way. And so that's the intent. And you know,

[4:08:10] Voice 24: we're not having a stage show on there. And so that's my approach as the architect on

[4:08:19] Voice 24: the project.

[4:08:19] Voice 24: that

[4:08:19] Voice 3: so trustees do you have any questions for the applicant or the staff

[4:08:24] Voice 3: about water well if

[4:08:27] Voice 3: there's questions about water and um the engineer is here what is your question

[4:08:32] Voice 12: about water oh no

[4:08:34] Voice 12: just the why get what i mean the conundrum we

[4:08:41] Voice 12: have is that staff

[4:08:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): haven't had the ability to

[4:08:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): analyze yet what's been provided

[4:08:48] Voice 12: by the applicant

[4:08:51] Voice 3: so

[4:08:53] Voice 12: i

[4:08:55] Voice 3: have a question

[4:08:57] Voice 17: yeah

[4:08:57] Voice 3: i

[4:08:58] Voice 17: need to i'd like to understand the whole water issue a bit better i mean i know that that

[4:09:02] Voice 17: area is had serious water concerns i remember that from when you know well we're going back

[4:09:11] Voice 17: back sometime now when the cottages are shooting up.

[4:09:14] Voice 17: But I know there are questions,

[4:09:16] Voice 17: but what sort of water needs do you anticipate needing?

[4:09:20] Voice 17: Because the woodshed doesn't use much water.

[4:09:24] Voice 17: No, the current use of that building

[4:09:29] Voice 17: is going to be variable.

[4:09:31] Voice 17: We do have a permit for bulk water

[4:09:34] Voice 17: and we're developing a rainwater catchment

[4:09:40] Voice 17: if permitted obviously so it's a catch point too we don't want to build it we don't know

[4:09:45] Voice 17: what do you mean a permit for built water pump permit from whom from

[4:09:49] Voice 23: island health so it's a

[4:09:52] Voice 23: water source just like any other right so you have to go through the application of a construction

[4:09:59] Voice 23: permit operating permit and you know get your water sample submitted to the lab every month

[4:10:04] Voice 23: so whether it's rainwater harvesting or a well or a lake or you know it's all the same thing

[4:10:10] Voice 23: just a commercial water supply so

[4:10:12] Voice 17: all the water that you're using right now comes from runan

[4:10:15] Voice 17: doesn't the

[4:10:17] Voice 23: water there they've got an operating permit through island health for bulk water

[4:10:21] Voice 23: storage which is deemed a temporary like it's just to get them something right to legitimize

[4:10:28] Voice 23: a water supply and the application is pending for the rainwater harvesting system and it takes

[4:10:36] Voice 23: sometimes a few months just for the review process throughout

[4:10:41] Voice 17: the hop but i love the idea of rainwater

[4:10:44] Voice 17: harvesting obviously um so i mean technically you're saying you don't actually need a well at

[4:10:49] Voice 17: all correct correct

[4:10:50] Voice 23: if you do it correctly it's obviously not infinite but if you do your water

[4:10:56] Voice 23: balance and you store it and you have an ample storage volume and you do your bath directly

[4:11:03] Voice 23: um you can do it

[4:11:04] Voice 17: so i'd like to ask stuff then why are we fussing about wells when there's no

[4:11:09] Voice 17: intention to use a well uh because that fish wasn't provided at the time that staff were

[4:11:16] Voice 17: doing the report i can't do i'm sorry that wasn't provided at the time that staff were doing the

[4:11:20] Voice 17: report it was after the fact that it was so can

[4:11:23] Voice 17: we add can we tag that on to a decision that the

[4:11:27] Voice 17: water supply needs to come the independent not from the web i would just i i would just

[4:11:37] Voice 17: approve the the permit as presented with no condition because they

[4:11:46] Voice 17: they under the water sustainability act they can't pump that well they cannot there was another

[4:11:51] Voice 4: provincial jurisdiction on water source would override anything that we

[4:11:58] Voice 17: so sorry so if you

[4:11:59] Voice 17: weren't going to worry about the water wells at all then what would you do and i'm on page

[4:12:06] Voice 17: 385 just to prove the permit so

[4:12:11] Voice 12: what language would you use

[4:12:25] Voice 12: yeah that'd be great rob

[4:12:27] Voice 17: um i don't want to sort of overstep here but the

[4:12:32] Voice 17: intent is to just approve the permit as proposed with no condition

[4:12:36] Voice 12: yeah

[4:12:37] Voice 17: uh i would say that the results of the trust committee approved issuance of uh ssdp 2022.1

[4:12:47] Voice 17: i

[4:12:48] Voice 12: think rob has

[4:12:51] Voice 3: it up on the screen sorry

[4:12:56] Voice 17: and this is sort of where i need the clarification

[4:12:59] Voice 17: the intent is to not have any of the conditions attached to it, so then I would just leave it there.

[4:13:05] Voice 17: And it's presented in Appendix 5, which is including the lighting elements that the applicant has requested.

[4:13:14] Voice 17: But I love the lighting elements. I don't see that's an issue.

[4:13:17] Voice 17: I don't actually think it needs to go to our advisory committees because I don't think this is a big deal.

[4:13:24] Voice 17: and I'm quite happy to assume.

[4:13:27] Voice 17: So Laura has a question.

[4:13:29] Voice 17: I beg your pardon.

[4:13:30] Voice 3: No,

[4:13:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's all right.

[4:13:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): Well, two things.

[4:13:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): No, I mean, the main reason moving forward

[4:13:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): is this is an existing development permit

[4:13:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): for general employment,

[4:13:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): let me use the right term, zoning,

[4:13:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): that you're amending existing development permit.

[4:13:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): So, and I appreciate the work that you're doing to try to, you're actually solving some of our other challenges where we have home-based businesses that have grown beyond being home-based

[4:14:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): businesses and providing a home for them.

[4:14:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): So, I appreciate that.

[4:14:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): um i think from a referral standpoint not that we i think it's more the information is um we

[4:14:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): discussed our ganges village plan earlier today and i still look at this area i mean the intersection

[4:14:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): we've identified in our ocp is further growth for general employment um we have quite a bit

[4:14:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): of general employment in this area and i think to me this is a extension of ganges

[4:14:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): in particular since the economic opportunities to work together not in a competitive way of

[4:14:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): two villages we have you know a working village and i'd say it's very walkable from the downtown

[4:14:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): to this area if it had appropriate paths all the way yeah um so it's it's it's within that

[4:14:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): concept um and i think as we look at our communities we grow and what you know yes water

[4:15:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): is a challenge everywhere but water systems evolved from time and and if

[4:15:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): we're going to say this area is an important general employment area it may

[4:15:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): need to be serviced by by water at some point in future so I am in support of

[4:15:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): uh issuing the the compliance to develop the third development from it as

[4:15:37] Voice 17: presented in

[4:15:38] Voice 17: appendix five so as indicated up here or yeah yeah so my understanding is it would be the

[4:15:44] Voice 17: what rob's highlighted here in blue is the yeah resolution

[4:15:48] Voice 12: should be able

[4:15:48] Voice 17: to see it so five is what we want five is the right one so can i go ahead and make

[4:16:08] Voice 17: that motion i

[4:16:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): just want to seek your question of clarity here and i think i know the answer

[4:16:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): already but i just want to know if that's true is you obviously have your wells are registered

[4:16:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): and you have non-domestic use permitting for those wells?

[4:16:28] Voice 17: I don't think so.

[4:16:30] Voice 17: I don't think they're registered

[4:16:32] Voice 17: and approved for non-domestic use.

[4:16:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay, and are you aware there's an initiative

[4:16:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): from the province to have all wells registered?

[4:16:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): And if there's any potential for non-domestic uses,

[4:16:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): that that be registered

[4:16:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): because it's a first come first serve basis.

[4:16:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): And if you don't have that use,

[4:16:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): use you may not get it in the future but it's

[4:16:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): saltwater intrusion so

[4:16:54] Voice 17: but i think there's a

[4:16:55] Voice 17: there's a much bigger requirement to identify whether um the hydrology is such that we could

[4:17:03] Voice 17: ever produce under these so

[4:17:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): it's that time it and it

[4:17:07] Voice 17: looks yeah

[4:17:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): and so presently in this water

[4:17:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): storage like you happen to be at the moment you're trucking water in correct um to to contain that

[4:17:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): provide and once you you intend to move over to rainwater collection to fill that same storage

[4:17:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): facility or similar um um yes uh

[4:17:28] Voice 20: there is a phase two to this yeah that the planners know about

[4:17:34] Voice 20: and um there

[4:17:36] Voice 16: would be uh construction of different storage within the okay the phase two but yeah

[4:17:42] Voice 16: But the

[4:17:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): idea would be the same, that in the long term, you will be independent of groundwater.

[4:17:48] Voice 17: Correct.

[4:17:49] Voice 17: Sorry, I'm on a bit of an excitement here, so nothing to do with anything, but what's phase two?

[4:17:53] Voice 17: Well, that's a longer conversation.

[4:17:55] Voice 17: Maybe

[4:17:55] Voice 3: we'll talk about that another time.

[4:17:57] Voice 17: It's a building behind the current structures, which have more days for small business,

[4:18:05] Voice 17: and hopefully for what is the cultural industry

[4:18:10] Voice 17: that we're trying to identify.

[4:18:13] Voice 17: But the catch-22 is not being able to offer anything to anybody

[4:18:19] Voice 17: because you don't know if you have a permit.

[4:18:21] Voice 17: And so we're trying to...

[4:18:24] Voice 17: Anyway, that still sounds very positive.

[4:18:25] Voice 20: But I

[4:18:26] Voice 17: think that's coming quite quickly, within the next month.

[4:18:29] Voice 17: And staff has been very helpful in kind of guiding us through this.

[4:18:34] Voice 17: As they always are.

[4:18:35] Voice 20: as they always reiterate that thank you thank

[4:18:38] Voice 3: you

[4:18:39] Voice 17: so in

[4:18:40] Voice 3: conclusion the

[4:18:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): water the long-term

[4:18:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): provision of water at this point is just a mean and technical requirement that

[4:18:52] Voice 3: we have applied

[4:18:54] Voice 3: and

[4:18:54] Voice 23: there's plenty of precedent yeah for

[4:18:59] Voice 23: example soup business park where it's a same type of thing

[4:19:03] Voice 23: warehouse structures, rainwater harvests

[4:19:05] Voice 23: that are being sourced. So even within

[4:19:07] Voice 23: the CRD, it's been

[4:19:09] Voice 23: signed off on. I'm familiar with

[4:19:11] Voice 23: a number of sites.

[4:19:13] Voice 17: If I may then, Chair, I'm going to

[4:19:16] Voice 3: move the

[4:19:16] Voice 17: Sourcering and Local Trust Committee

[4:19:17] Voice 17: approve issuance of SSDP

[4:19:19] Voice 17: 2022.1 as presented

[4:19:21] Voice 17: in Appendix 5 of the staff report

[4:19:23] Voice 17: dated April 19, 2022.

[4:19:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): Moved and

[4:19:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): seconded. Any further discussion?

[4:19:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): All those in favor?

[4:19:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): it thank you

[4:19:34] Voice 12: one

[4:19:35] Voice 11: question i was going to say do we need to have a resolution to

[4:19:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's it's more

[4:19:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): not for conversation of comment but to refer this to the ganges village planning for this for this

[4:19:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): area you know or is that going to happen anyway is that are these things being shared with the

[4:19:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): gancho's village pastor i

[4:19:56] Voice 17: don't know that this would be shared with them necessarily i mean

[4:20:00] Voice 17: the question around the boundaries and in this area is i

[4:20:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): know yeah i

[4:20:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): think it's important that's

[4:20:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): why that's why so i

[4:20:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): don't know do you need a resolution to share this with them we're happy

[4:20:15] Voice 20: to help them anyway yeah

[4:20:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): i just want to make sure that it's getting on the radar not to comment but

[4:20:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): to share the information we

[4:20:22] Voice 17: can include on the on the next uh appropriate meeting agenda okay

[4:20:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay, so you don't need a motion.

[4:20:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): Excellent, thank you.

[4:20:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): So thank you very much, good

[4:20:32] Voice 12: luck with that project.

[4:20:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): So the next item on our agenda

[4:20:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): is Salt Spring Development Permit 2022.3,

[4:20:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): Dunn-Aliard, 266 Little Mountain Road,

[4:20:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): Development Permit Area 5 application

[4:20:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): to permit

[4:20:45] Voice 3: an existing septic field.

[4:20:48] Voice 3: Is the applicant here?

[4:20:50] Voice 3: Yes.

[4:20:50] Voice 3: Oh, there you go, thank you.

[4:20:52] Voice 3: I think you've seen the process we go through.

[4:20:55] Voice 3: staff report you'll have an opportunity to comment and then

[4:20:58] Voice 3: go to questions so planner gordon

[4:21:27] Voice 12: age 436 uh is a

[4:21:37] Voice 17: development permit application to retroactively authorize or bring into compliance

[4:21:43] Voice 17: a septic field installation within development primary five which is community well-captured

[4:21:48] Voice 17: zones um the history of development on the property is mostly contained within the staff

[4:21:54] Voice 17: report essentially the septic field was constructed in the early 2000s um a number of approvals were

[4:22:01] Voice 17: sought but the development uh permit for dpa5 was not obtained by understanding in trying to

[4:22:09] Voice 17: obtain final occupancy it's required to finally go through the process of getting this permit dpa5

[4:22:19] Voice 17: So installation of septic field, primarily concerned with protection of water wells

[4:22:25] Voice 3: and water

[4:22:26] Voice 17: systems, in this case the Scott Point waterworks.

[4:22:34] Voice 17: In support of the application, the applicant has provided a memo from an engineer,

[4:22:40] Voice 17: if you're here as well if you have any questions um basically just uh confirming that the field is

[4:22:47] Voice 17: functioning as intended there are no issues with it and they're given a setback distance

[4:22:53] Voice 17: of 20 meters to the nearest well that any concern of interference is it's unwarranted or not of

[4:23:01] Voice 17: concern so um given that you know it's been in place for 20 20 years with no issues the

[4:23:08] Voice 17: up and hearing assessments um staff recommends that the ltc approve issuance of the permit

[4:23:15] Voice 17: um and then i understand the applicant would have been able to finish off the whole permitting

[4:23:21] Voice 17: process okay

[4:23:23] Voice 26: very good thank you do you wish to say

[4:23:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): anything with respect to no okay so just these

[4:23:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): any questions so 20 years ago was the previous method of approving septic systems wasn't it more

[4:23:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): of a direct permit from environment health or whatever they were called banking or health

[4:23:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): whatever they were called in those days yeah yeah

[4:23:48] Voice 17: there is the filing attached uh so if you're right

[4:23:52] Voice 17: it really is there um however the requirement to obtain a dp would still have been in effect

[4:24:00] Voice 17: at the time so the installation would trigger it but yes it it was the the uh installation was

[4:24:07] Voice 17: filed by the installer at that time right so

[4:24:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): we were back at the time period when they didn't

[4:24:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): didn't check to see if there was local requirements and they still don't do that which is

[4:24:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): interesting i'm sorry in cooperation with is my theme of the day that goes both ways with other

[4:24:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): work in agencies um okay all right would

[4:24:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): somebody like to

[4:24:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): make a motion sure i'll move that the

[4:24:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): salt spring island local trust committee approve issuance of ssdp 2022.3 i'll second that second

[4:24:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): congratulations uh no further business on this item so let us thank you again jordy let us go

[4:24:53] Trustee Luckham (probable): go to 15.4 South Spring Development Permit 2022.6 Edwards 14 Tenzi Crescent Piers Island

[4:25:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): and I noted earlier on we received another email later in this yesterday or tomorrow

[4:25:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): or this morning with respect to a name from a neighbor on Piers did you see that

[4:25:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): yes Stefan is nodding Gordon's not um is the applicant here oh good nice to see you thank

[4:25:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): Thank you. I think you've seen the process.

[4:25:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. So over to you, Planner Gordon.

[4:25:29] Voice 17: Sir, it's actually going to be Planner Mays joining us for a moment.

[4:25:36] Voice 13: Hi. I hope you guys can hear me.

[4:25:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): We can hear you. Can't see you. Oh, there you are.

[4:25:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): Hi.

[4:25:43] Voice 13: All right. Great. So I will get into it.

[4:25:47] Voice 13: So the purpose of this application is seeking to vary the Piers Island land use bylaw

[4:25:53] Voice 13: to make lawful the siting of a rock retaining wall structure to the natural boundary of the sea.

[4:25:58] Voice 13: And as you noted earlier today in the meeting, as well as just now, we've received two pieces

[4:26:03] Voice 13: of correspondence for this application, one in opposition and one in support of the application.

[4:26:10] Voice 13: So you can see here, page 479, here is the site plan that was submitted for the application,

[4:26:19] Voice 13: Showing the general area of that retaining wall down at the bottom in sort of the cloud formation there.

[4:26:25] Voice 13: There's a zoning map as well and an ortho photo and below here are photos of the original seawall that were on the subject property as well as the new seawall on the subject property.

[4:26:37] Voice 13: So, the recommendation is here again page 479.

[4:26:44] Voice 13: staff are recommending approval or sorry approve that the LTC approves issuance of the development

[4:26:52] Voice 13: permit development variance permit as it's consistent with the hard shore design best

[4:26:57] Voice 13: practices within your marine waterfront and does not interrupt continuous pedestrian access along

[4:27:03] Voice 13: the shoreline in accordance with the piers island land use bylaw your marine waterfront

[4:27:10] Voice 13: recommends a harsher approach only when other techniques are not determined to be appropriate

[4:27:14] Voice 13: by a qualified professional. On this application, the applicant has supplied an environmental

[4:27:20] Voice 13: management plan, which was also supplied to Crownland authorizations in support of the

[4:27:26] Voice 13: application, as well as a revegetation plan, which forms part of the proposed permit.

[4:27:31] Voice 13: And as such, staff have recommended approval and happy to answer any questions.

[4:27:39] Voice 26: very good thank you um so um sir do you have any uh remarks or you agree with the planner's

[4:27:46] Voice 26: recommendation

[4:27:47] Voice 20: no i agree with the planner's recommendation i have no comment just uh happy

[4:27:51] Voice 20: to answer any questions in context um i do want to comment that i'm quite inspired by this meeting in

[4:27:55] Voice 20: the in the previous um uh applications that you reviewed to see the process and to see that um

[4:28:03] Voice 20: even though there's bylaws that need to be enforced there's actually you're willing to listen

[4:28:06] Voice 20: to the gray areas within and and the homeowner's concept and what they're trying to resolve

[4:28:11] Voice 20: clearly you can see i'm trying to clean up some things that were done on my property

[4:28:14] Voice 20: prior to my ownership and uh i appreciate that recommendation thank you thank

[4:28:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): you we live in

[4:28:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): the gray zone okay so trustees any questions for staff or the applicant i

[4:28:27] Voice 4: have none laura patrick

[4:28:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's a difficult because the lots are so narrow and um and i've i've been over there many times

[4:28:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): a number of

[4:28:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): the of the um permits we end up are you know disagreements on boundary you know things

[4:28:49] Voice 1: that happen over

[4:28:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): years and new owners come in and all that stuff so i just encourage you to create

[4:28:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): those good relationships with your neighbors because those are such small lots and that

[4:28:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): that it's a small island and it's a special community.

[4:29:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): And the balance is so important over there

[4:29:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): and most of those things.

[4:29:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I think these are all

[4:29:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): challenging, these areas,

[4:29:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): the protection of erosion and prevention,

[4:29:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): and in particular, any potential for archeological sites.

[4:29:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): I know there's some on the island

[4:29:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): that are quite quite uh concerning so or concerning protective to be protected um so

[4:29:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): i i think you've got a good plan to restore this area best

[4:29:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'm

[4:29:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): just taking a moment to glance at this email that came in in opposition or at least

[4:29:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): expressing some concerns um so i just want to obviously none of us

[4:30:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): opportunity to absorb this particular email but they raised some questions and so i just want to

[4:30:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): turn to the planner christine mays um you've seen that uh uh email and your recommendation

[4:30:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): i presume still stands and that um that perhaps there's uh some misunderstanding and the lateness

[4:30:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): of their reception of this notice um do we have any idea why that would have been received by

[4:30:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): them late

[4:30:30] Voice 13: yes so i believe it had to travel internationally oh

[4:30:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): i see okay yes

[4:30:37] Voice 13: so so i did

[4:30:38] Voice 13: speak with um with with the people who wrote the letter this morning and and walk them through some

[4:30:44] Voice 13: of their concerns um some including and and it was discussed in the staff report regarding the

[4:30:50] Voice 13: partial location of this particular seawall on the natural boundary and you can sort of see that in

[4:30:55] Voice 13: this photo here um where where the water is is obviously sort of above the the rock retaining

[4:31:02] Voice 13: wall and you know noting that on piers island you know the shoreline one zone does allow for

[4:31:08] Voice 13: sea walls uh within that shoreline one zone so it would meet our regulations however the applicant

[4:31:15] Voice 13: would still have to abide by the provincial regulations because it is in the jurisdiction

[4:31:21] Voice 13: of the province once it's below that high water mark and they have spoken with crown land

[4:31:26] Voice 13: authorizations who noted as long as the retaining wall is mostly in the upland portion that they

[4:31:32] Voice 13: would have no concerns and would not require a tenure okay

[4:31:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): thank you um is there any other

[4:31:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): questions for the afternoon no so

[4:31:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): maybe i'll just ask the question because i'm quite interested in

[4:31:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): seawalls and want to be sure that we're doing the right thing and this looks terrific by the way

[4:31:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): um did you remove any or substantially remove any portion of the concrete seawall

[4:31:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): so

[4:31:56] Voice 20: there's there was in the environment management report that was deemed as a very

[4:32:00] Voice 20: um harmful act to bust up the concrete and have a potential

[4:32:07] Voice 20: um portions of it were chipped at the top but the majority of the wall

[4:32:11] Voice 20: is behind the rock wall is

[4:32:13] Voice 20: intact and remains there and another comment on the the photograph

[4:32:16] Voice 20: i could have shown another photo at high tide where the existing concrete wall was had the

[4:32:22] Voice 20: same issue couldn't all walk along the footing without getting wet at high

[4:32:26] Voice 20: tide so um rather

[4:32:28] Voice 20: than chipping out the wall and replacing it with something and causing further erosion more damage

[4:32:32] Voice 20: and possible leaching so

[4:32:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's an extreme low tide better than well

[4:32:36] Voice 20: yeah not even i mean extreme

[4:32:37] Voice 20: low tides but it's quite a

[4:32:39] Voice 20: large uh reef out there as well so

[4:32:43] Voice 20: okay

[4:32:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): well you know i'm fine with that i think that it would definitely help with shoreline erosion

[4:32:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): and won't potentially one of the concerns that is identified in the report was that

[4:32:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): the impact of waves only travels down the beach depending on what the structure is and

[4:32:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): this is it intended to attenuate that

[4:33:02] Voice 20: that was the intention you know the sheer wall and it doesn't

[4:33:05] Voice 20: shown the photographs but my my neighbor to the uh to the right of that photograph of the original

[4:33:10] Voice 20: concrete wall it continues another concrete wall right then continues to another concrete wall

[4:33:14] Voice 20: it just goes on and on and so the intention was to break that up somewhat perfect

[4:33:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): good job okay

[4:33:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): um so trustees emotions so

[4:33:23] Voice 17: i'm happy to move that the salt span local trust committee approve

[4:33:25] Voice 17: issuance development variance permit ssdbp 2013.6 so

[4:33:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): fifth uh so moved and seconded and so is there

[4:33:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): any uh other discussion all those in favor so that carries thank you okay thank you so we'll

[4:33:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): keep on going here section 15.5 uh soul spring development permit 2022.9 wolf at 123 deer park

[4:33:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): road uh it's the applicant here okay good oh two of you here so you uh you've seen the process

[4:33:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): unfold and now so we'll go to the planning staff to uh to report on this one and plan m8 i'm

[4:34:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): guessing this is yours all

[4:34:07] Voice 13: right and just for your information it starts on page 715 all right

[4:34:13] Voice 13: um so the purpose of this application is to seeking to uh vary the salt spring island land use bylaw

[4:34:19] Voice 13: to permit an addition exceeding 11.6 square meters of floor area to an existing 56 square

[4:34:25] Voice 13: meter cottage uh without the installation of a rainwater storage treatment and delivery system

[4:34:30] Voice 13: for potable water. The LTC is in receipt of one piece of correspondence for this application,

[4:34:37] Voice 13: which was from the applicant collecting signatures from three property owners regarding

[4:34:44] Voice 13: there not being any objection to increased water usage of the shared well or potential increased

[4:34:49] Voice 13: water usage. So here is zoning map of the subject property as well as the most sort of recent

[4:34:59] Voice 13: an orthophoto from 2021 and a site plan that was supplied by the applicant sort of showing the

[4:35:06] Voice 13: location of the cottage there and the existing residents. So the recommendation is on again page

[4:35:13] Voice 13: 715. Staff have recommended that you know there be a pumping test as well as a water quality

[4:35:21] Voice 13: analysis of the shared strata well as well as to require or to request the applicant to provide

[4:35:27] Voice 13: provide signature from all property owners um serviced by that shared well that they have no

[4:35:33] Voice 13: opposition to the increased uh floor area for the uh full-time rental cottage um you know staff

[4:35:40] Voice 13: certainly note that um you know the the request is is minor in nature relatively minor in nature

[4:35:46] Voice 13: but as the domestic use is on the subject property or service by the shared strata well

[4:35:50] Voice 13: um that that request sort of warrants further analysis um certainly from the neighboring um

[4:35:55] Voice 13: lot owners who use that well and as well you know there is again that recommendation for that

[4:36:01] Voice 13: pumping test and water quality analysis to just ensure that the water quality and quantity

[4:36:08] Voice 13: meets those health Canada regulations and there you go so I'm happy to answer any questions

[4:36:14] Voice 13: if you have any thank

[4:36:18] Voice 4: you so in terms of the applicants do you have any remarks to add or

[4:36:21] Voice 4: comments on the recommendation?

[4:36:23] Voice 4: Go ahead, sir.

[4:36:29] Voice 4: There's two points that I think

[4:36:31] Voice 4: I need to make.

[4:36:33] Voice 17: One is that

[4:36:37] Voice 17: we've

[4:36:37] Voice 17: lived there, we've

[4:36:39] Voice 17: owned it for 30 years.

[4:36:41] Voice 17: My

[4:36:42] Voice 3: wife and I or our

[4:36:43] Voice 3: family have lived there

[4:36:44] Voice 3: most of the time.

[4:36:49] Voice 3: And what

[4:36:50] Voice 3: we're trying to accomplish here, we're both in our

[4:36:51] Voice 3: 70s now, is

[4:36:53] Voice 3: is to continue the intergenerational ownership

[4:36:57] Voice 3: and care for the land.

[4:36:58] Voice 3: We're already getting to the point where

[4:37:01] Voice 3: if Lucas hadn't been there after the big storm

[4:37:03] Voice 3: four years ago, you know, to help me cut up

[4:37:06] Voice 3: the 30 odd trees that fell down on our property,

[4:37:09] Voice 3: it would have been a nightmare for us.

[4:37:12] Voice 3: So we're trying to do that in a responsible

[4:37:15] Voice 3: and affordable way without increasing a bunch of costs.

[4:37:19] Voice 3: And both the test rooms here

[4:37:21] Voice 3: and the rainwater contracting system,

[4:37:23] Voice 3: would increase the cost dramatically. But then the other point is that

[4:37:30] Voice 3: we're not increasing the amount of water that's used. That cabin

[4:37:33] Voice 4: predates the seasonal

[4:37:39] Voice 4: zoning. It

[4:37:40] Voice 3: was grandfathered in. When we added a bedroom, we didn't even have a bedroom 10 years ago, so that was part of how we got the building permits. It was all done with permits, etc.

[4:37:50] Voice 3: et cetera. It's had two people in it, occasionally one person, for 30 years now. There is no

[4:37:58] Voice 3: problem. We have one of the best wells on the island. When we bought the property, one

[4:38:04] Voice 3: of the things that my wife was really concerned with was the good water. The well report shows

[4:38:13] Voice 3: 30 gallons a minute. It says over 30 gallons a minute. He told us at the time that he could

[4:38:20] Voice 3: run a fire department with that well the well has taken very good care of all of us for years

[4:38:26] Voice 3: our neighbors there's four neighbors we

[4:38:29] Voice 17: share the well with i could only get three of them to sign

[4:38:32] Voice 17: the letter by

[4:38:33] Voice 3: now not because the other one wouldn't but because he's very very hard to get

[4:38:37] Voice 3: a hold of he doesn't live on the lot he makes a point of being difficult to reach and i'm sure he

[4:38:47] Voice 3: would sign it if I got in touch with him, and I'm trying to, but he's not an easy guy to get to.

[4:38:55] Voice 3: Plus, he drilled his own well recently and told us at our Strata AGM the other day, earlier this

[4:39:00] Voice 3: month, that he was intending to put his own well and his own pump in it. He's an individualist.

[4:39:11] Voice 3: So we're not really applying for a change in the zoning. This is a

[4:39:16] Voice 3: we're not going to increase the use of this property there's lots of water there always has

[4:39:21] Voice 3: been um so nothing's changing other than we're adding some spirit footage to make it easier to

[4:39:28] Voice 3: live in we're not adding a bedroom we're not even adding an office the office was in the original

[4:39:33] Voice 3: plan but that came out the staff very helpfully pointed out that we had to choose between a

[4:39:39] Voice 3: covered porch and an office and we gave up the office because the covered porch was one thing

[4:39:43] Voice 3: nothing's changing the use of the water so the concern about the water

[4:39:48] Voice 3: and our neighbors don't want to share the well with they're happy with this

[4:39:52] Voice 3: we just want to be able to build a more livable place for our children and grandchildren

[4:40:00] Voice 3: without incurring a much less cost it doesn't make any difference for the water use at all

[4:40:09] Voice 26: okay good thank you do you have anybody we have on any questions for the applicant or

[4:40:16] Voice 26: that go ahead

[4:40:20] Voice 15: well i know mine's more i mean these are um

[4:40:23] Voice 15: okay i

[4:40:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): think it's we have to be reasonable i mean the existing cottage is is there um

[4:40:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): And to me, the strata, and I'm not a water, so I know the Water Sustainability Act has changed since this was built, the relationship with shared wells, but, you know, to me, it's, it's, it's the strata's problem, strata's problem, strata's business, I guess is the better word to decide or to, that it likes or doesn't like the situation.

[4:41:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): situation. So I don't feel I'm not worried about that sort of thing. So I really have

[4:41:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): no objection to this issues of the development variance permit.

[4:41:20] Voice 17: So the alternative on page 719. Yeah,

[4:41:24] Voice 17: I agree with that.

[4:41:26] Voice 26: Very good.

[4:41:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm having a little difficulty in figuring out how many lots there are in

[4:41:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): the strata is it nine lots or eight lots there's nine lots now okay and i think staff indicated

[4:41:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): that you had signatures from three of the other neighbors there's five lots that share the well

[4:41:48] Voice 3: we're one of them so there's four other ones yes we have three of those four signed understood the

[4:41:54] Voice 3: fourth gentleman is she doesn't live on his property and um he doesn't respond to emails

[4:42:03] Voice 3: i'm trying to track him down because i think i know where he lives but um it hasn't been easy

[4:42:09] Voice 3: and

[4:42:09] Voice 4: i actually don't anticipate there being an objection from him right that's not the issue

[4:42:14] Voice 4: the only issue is somebody

[4:42:16] Voice 17: phoning if necessary i don't have

[4:42:19] Voice 3: his phone number he doesn't make

[4:42:21] Voice 3: available i'm not sure he even has a cell phone you know he's a particular type of person who

[4:42:26] Voice 3: makes himself quite hard to reach so

[4:42:29] Voice 4: presumably you have a

[4:42:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): strata council and you have some

[4:42:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): strata bylaws and all that

[4:42:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): sort of thing and this this is not this water usage and cottage

[4:42:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): development is i'm guessing not in part of those strata bylaws that's right yeah um and so

[4:42:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): presumably you may or may not meet now but you're probably obligated to meet on a regular basis

[4:42:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): and at least and this individual doesn't participate in those he came

[4:42:58] Voice 4: this year i'm

[4:42:59] Voice 4: the treasurer

[4:42:59] Voice 3: of the strata council okay

[4:43:00] Voice 3: um he came this year the first time in the four or five

[4:43:04] Voice 3: years been there

[4:43:05] Voice 4: um

[4:43:05] Voice 3: we have to mail him the thing with 21 days in advance right open shows up he did

[4:43:10] Voice 3: come oh i

[4:43:11] Voice 3: said okay that was a a one-time occurrence so far okay

[4:43:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): so um just i'm satisfied

[4:43:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): with advancing this because i wonder why for everything that's in the in the report why we

[4:43:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): wouldn't just allow you to go ahead but we obviously need to discuss it and understand it

[4:43:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): but just i want to offer you a little bit of advice which is outside of the um the application

[4:43:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): here but we don't like to use the word grandfathering and it's actually and i've actually

[4:43:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): done a little bit of thinking about that lately because actually the concept of grandfathering

[4:43:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): was brought to my attention and it's not necessarily an appropriate phrase to use

[4:43:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): but it's legal non-conforming which and I don't I'm not asking a question or wondering about that

[4:44:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): but what it means is that it was legal at one time and it is not conforming today because of

[4:44:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): some change and if something was never legal it can't be legal non-conforming it's just not

[4:44:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): covered in the bylaw but just my advice is to not use that word grandfathering because we

[4:44:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): We actually typically in the planning service, we don't like to use it because it's not appropriate

[4:44:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): as a descriptor of the true nature of legal non-conforming.

[4:44:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): And ostensibly, that's what legal non-conforming means, and we should try to use that.

[4:44:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): So, trustees.

[4:44:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): I

[4:44:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): was going to say, but this will be legal conforming as a rental cottage.

[4:44:42] Trustee Luckham (probable): Assuming.

[4:44:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah.

[4:44:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): Assuming it was legal at one time.

[4:44:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[4:44:47] Trustee Luckham (probable): So,

[4:44:47] Voice 17: are we going to require the signatures from the property owners?

[4:44:49] Voice 17: is

[4:44:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): not if we pass the option option

[4:44:54] Voice 17: which but two

[4:44:57] Voice 12: two yeah the

[4:44:59] Voice 17: the two has a subject to

[4:45:02] Voice 12: subject to signature says

[4:45:04] Voice 17: that we need all the signatures are we suggesting we don't need any

[4:45:06] Voice 17: signatures uh

[4:45:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's ask let's ask planner oh planner mate so

[4:45:13] Voice 13: uh if you can see on the screen

[4:45:15] Voice 13: there um that first portion the first two sentences if you don't wish to ask for any

[4:45:20] Voice 13: further signatures um you can just do that those

[4:45:24] Voice 10: first two lines and just to note

[4:45:27] Voice 13: that it should

[4:45:28] Voice 13: be the one in appendix five because some some changes were made subsequent to notification

[4:45:32] Voice 13: so

[4:45:33] Voice 17: i'll move that the salt spring island local trust committee approve issuance of development

[4:45:36] Voice 17: variance permit ssdbp 22.9 has shown in appendix five of the staff report dated april 19 2022.

[4:45:44] Trustee Luckham (probable): so moved and seconded any further discussion all those in favor

[4:45:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): that carries thank you very much thank you good luck with your project um and uh and i guess

[4:45:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): we must have passed the test because that was three times in a row of the wrong appendix

[4:46:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): okay so i'm thankful that 15.6 has been deferred to the next meeting if i'm not

[4:46:10] Trustee Luckham (probable): mistaken and

[4:46:11] Voice 17: soon see all

[4:46:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): of us all of us and so we're actually doing not too bad we've

[4:46:17] Voice 17: got to go

[4:46:17] Voice 17: go back to it again um

[4:46:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): so how about we go back to the housing report and then we will continue

[4:46:24] Trustee Luckham (probable): on with other business um and adjourn shortly after that so

[4:46:28] Voice 3: that's page 207 that

[4:46:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): is on page

[4:46:32] Trustee Luckham (probable): 207 that's correct thank you everybody for joining us and uh housing action program and uh

[4:46:41] Trustee Luckham (probable): uh i'll just get to there page 207 to the planet garbo this one is yours okay

[4:46:53] Voice 15: uh trustee hope you

[4:46:56] Voice 15: can hear me no i

[4:46:59] Voice 15: don't have much of a voice so that's why i don't like to argue um so this is

[4:47:06] Voice 15: is a really great presentation. It's an update on the progress of bylaw 530. 530 is in response to

[4:47:17] Voice 15: the secondary suite bylaw 528 that we presented to you last time. And LTC did not give the first

[4:47:27] Voice 15: reading to secondary suite bylaw, but directed staff to look at expanding it to allow various

[4:47:34] Voice 15: types of ADUs, which is accessory dwelling units instead. But we have to create a separate

[4:47:42] Voice 15: bylaw for that because it's quite a change from 528. So we did have a draft bylaw attached

[4:47:48] Voice 15: to this staff report. And one thing we do want to mention is that the Housing Action

[4:47:57] Voice 15: Task Force did make a few recommendations and we responded to that in the staff report.

[4:48:03] Voice 15: But we got lots of time to continue to work with the housing task force, even though some of the suggestions might be outside the purview of our of the planning department.

[4:48:16] Voice 15: But we we continue to work with the task force and explore different options.

[4:48:21] Voice 15: And so I will just dive into the 530 that we proposed.

[4:48:28] Voice 15: We provided an accessory dwelling unit definitions as requested by LTC.

[4:48:36] Voice 15: And when we draft this draft bylaw, we think it's as close to a compliance with OCP as possible, the way we proposed.

[4:48:47] Voice 15: post but we still need more time to dive into the in-depth analysis we identified in addition to

[4:48:56] Voice 15: doing the uh the analysis of the ocp there are still a number of outstanding analysis or issues

[4:49:03] Voice 15: we need to address uh so we presented the update to you today and to let you know that or to and

[4:49:11] Voice 15: and also provide you with two options.

[4:49:13] Voice 15: One is you can, the LCC can go ahead

[4:49:17] Voice 15: and move this bylaw that we attached to first reading.

[4:49:21] Voice 15: All these outstanding issues that we identified

[4:49:24] Voice 15: in the staff report, which include, you know,

[4:49:27] Voice 15: addressing water issues,

[4:49:29] Voice 15: addressing infrastructure capacity,

[4:49:32] Voice 15: like I said, in-depth analysis of the OCP policy statement,

[4:49:37] Voice 15: and even looking at the Islands Trust Act,

[4:49:40] Voice 15: and also public engagement. So there are a number of things we're still working on.

[4:49:48] Voice 15: Should LTC decide to move the bylaw to first reading,

[4:49:52] Voice 15: we are hoping to address all the issues before moving to second reading. So that means that

[4:49:59] Voice 15: the second option is LTC can just move forward with secondary suites that was presented to you

[4:50:11] Voice 15: at the last meeting uh as another option because that one is ready to go there's no outstanding

[4:50:18] Voice 15: issue so we could do that uh in the meantime to continue to work on the ade so there hopefully

[4:50:27] Voice 15: that's clear with the two options and uh i'm also happy to answer any questions you might have

[4:50:33] Voice 15: so

[4:50:34] Voice 17: just for clarification so you said the second option where is that laid out

[4:50:39] Voice 15: it's on page

[4:51:06] Voice 12: I just

[4:51:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): had a couple of questions on some of the comments in the staff report.

[4:51:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): The building code or the CRDs, bylaws or whatever, it says you can't live in accessory buildings,

[4:51:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): but it but it doesn't say you can't have uh you know a suite combined with an accessory building

[4:51:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): and i and i look at one defuca as a land use plan which is another electoral area and they do have

[4:51:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): that they have detached accessory suites and they define them as being the detached accessory suite

[4:51:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): can be freestanding or combined with an accessory building so i'm certain then that's that's you

[4:51:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): know it's a crd and and uh electoral area just doesn't have the island's trust added to it so

[4:52:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): i can't see why we'd be any any different than uh wanda fuka um and and

[4:52:17] Voice 12: i think you know there i

[4:52:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): i so the acceptance so the five are you saying we need both the secondary suite bylaw and three

[4:52:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): 530 or does one replace the other uh

[4:52:33] Voice 15: if you're moving forward with uh the secondary suite bylaw

[4:52:38] Voice 15: we'll bring back the 530 no but i'm saying but 530 530 itself absorb everything

[4:52:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay so that

[4:52:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): that was my my comment because i think the key and what i'd want to see is i'm okay i'm i'd like

[4:52:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): to move forward with the access because it is the right thing to do what

[4:52:57] Voice 17: i'm saying the

[4:52:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): 530

[4:52:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): the accessory dwelling we have work to do um and you know i i just look at multiple jurisdictions

[4:53:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): i look i look at uh central sanish has uh accessory dwelling units but you know they

[4:53:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): They use like the human dwelling person on this island or fellow islanders, you know, uses still use terms like suites and cottages.

[4:53:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I look at Central Saanich, you know, they say accessory cottages and carriage houses, you know, they use English words, even though they are detached accessory dwellings and dwelling units.

[4:53:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): But then they have nice, simple, plain English descriptions of the bylaws.

[4:53:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I think we need to, because I know you're looking at an engagement consultant to come, is to present some of this in just simple, plain English.

[4:53:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): Because people get confused.

[4:54:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I think the objectives here is we are trying to find people who are willing to be landlords.

[4:54:06] Voice 11: That

[4:54:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): is the objective.

[4:54:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): And we're trying not to overly burden them.

[4:54:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I think as we go into the referrals, and that's why I'd like to move forward is to go into the referrals, I would like to be very specific. I think we need to ask specific questions of the referral agencies, because we're trying to do this successfully.

[4:54:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): And we're trying to do this in such a way that we're not adding extra burden on to the people who are willing to do this.

[4:54:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I think of proof of water and so forth.

[4:54:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I look at, you know,

[4:54:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): Wanda Pupa has a proof of water requirement,

[4:54:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): but it'd be interesting to find out what do they require?

[4:54:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): What tests or what do they do to go through that?

[4:54:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): So that we're not adding burden

[4:54:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): and it shouldn't be a burden

[4:54:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): that they have to come back to the island's trust again.

[4:54:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's just proving the building permit,

[4:54:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): you know, for such a thing.

[4:55:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): And then using a covenant as a tool, I look at Central Saanich uses the covenant to require that you confirm the dwelling is for rental housing purposes and doesn't allow the short-term use and that you can't have other accessory dwellings and so forth.

[4:55:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): so so they

[4:55:22] Trustee Patrick (probable): have a it would be nice to learn from them how the covenant is is it working is it

[4:55:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): and does the requirement of a covenant alone help to limit the numbers because that's that that's

[4:55:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): the interest you know the housing needs assessment you know basically right now we know we need 601

[4:55:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): one units um uh on on the island um is by allowing the use and putting like a covenant

[4:55:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): will that do the restriction will that result in not so many happening and i think you know we can

[4:55:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): go talk to central san jose others does that result in that because i know that's the concern

[4:56:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): that people have is that we you know we don't want thousands of units this isn't this bylaw

[4:56:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): doesn't authorize thousands of units it's we're casting a wide net but we only want hundreds of

[4:56:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): units to come come out of out of this um so that would be my encouragement so is that for each of

[4:56:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): the the big referrals that we push some questions to them to give us some constructive feedback

[4:56:31] Trustee Patrick (probable): back to make this work on this island because we're not trying to hurt the environment we're

[4:56:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): simply trying to produce some rental housing that is terribly needed and to facilitate the landlords

[4:56:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): in an incredibly expensive world of trying to construct anything is going to be overwhelming.

[4:56:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): So I don't want to add requirements on to anybody

[4:57:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's not necessary. One other, I know the OCP

[4:57:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): is very specific about not allowing cottages in the rural watershed, but basically anywhere

[4:57:16] Trustee Patrick (probable): that a seasonal cottage is currently allowed, why can't we just also, so that's like Uplands

[4:57:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): is where um i think i had to do that though um you know and then

[4:57:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): the uplands has allowed seasonal cottages so basically it should be any zone that allows

[4:57:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): seasonal cottages should be allowing accessory growing minutes i agree and with the with the

[4:57:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): with the lot size you know triggering the size i agree with that we're not trying to

[4:57:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): um very similar to like seasonal cottages so i don't know if that requires any um

[4:58:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): amendments to the draft like right now it excludes uplands and i'm just saying is there

[4:58:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): perhaps

[4:58:12] Voice 17: i'm looking at a different one but just not page 260 of the report

[4:58:16] Voice 17: which has draft file authority to replace um that in rural often one and we're often

[4:58:23] Voice 17: I think that intent was to make that

[4:58:27] Voice 17: change.

[4:58:28] Voice 16: And the

[4:58:29] Voice 16: logic was that footprint

[4:58:30] Voice 16: is already permitted.

[4:58:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): Okay, good.

[4:58:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): It is there.

[4:58:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): I thought for some reason I read somewhere it wasn't.

[4:58:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): So maybe it was.

[4:58:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): That's why we have to present this in plain English.

[4:58:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): I

[4:58:41] Voice 4: can't even understand.

[4:58:42] Voice 4: You can understand it.

[4:58:48] Voice 17: I don't know why we're pushing for first reading because we seem to have a lot of work to do.

[4:58:53] Voice 17: i'd rather wait and get it all bundled up before we even start on first reading well the

[4:59:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): recommendation isn't for first reading here it says you could what's that

[4:59:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): what we're not doing

[4:59:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): i'd like to give it first reading i would propose i think it gives a signal yes there's a lot of

[4:59:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): work that needs to be done but we need to also we're about to do some engagement this triggers

[4:59:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): the conversation but i'd like to do it in a constructive way so i said i would like the

[4:59:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): referrals and things to be initiated but we're doing it in a way because we want specific

[4:59:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): feedback to make this work this isn't accept this version this is what we want we want to

[4:59:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): really give that signal that we want

[4:59:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): to move forward and we're serious but we also want to

[4:59:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): work with the community and all these referral agencies to find the right path forward so that's

[4:59:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): so I see it sort of as a does that make sense

[4:59:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): what I'm

[4:59:54] Trustee Luckham (probable): trying to do

[4:59:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): in all of these things

[4:59:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): and you've heard me say this before

[4:59:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): I like to get

[5:00:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): the first reading so that we can signal okay our intent i

[5:00:03] Voice 17: appreciate that

[5:00:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): when we pull back from

[5:00:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): first reading it sends the totally wrong message but at the same time we need to be clear about

[5:00:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): what we're doing

[5:00:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): exactly well that's what i said it's first reading but i'd like to really push us

[5:00:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): to be clear in our communications that we're this is about you know we really want to hear

[5:00:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): you're not, I don't like it.

[5:00:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): What do you want to make this work?

[5:00:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): And with our referral agencies,

[5:00:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): really get them to help us answer

[5:00:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): some of these hairy questions

[5:00:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): so that we don't end up with unintended.

[5:00:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): We're not trying to create a bylaw

[5:00:40] Trustee Patrick (probable): to just create thousands of units.

[5:00:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): It's what, will it do what we're trying to make it do?

[5:00:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): So I have a couple of questions

[5:00:52] Trustee Luckham (probable): and then certainly entertain any motions you wanna take.

[5:00:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I wanna reflect on, I think,

[5:00:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): from questions that I heard today

[5:01:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): from members of the audience is that in here,

[5:01:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): there isn't a specific number of potential units

[5:01:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): that might be created by bylaw 530.

[5:01:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): And I think if I'm not mistaken,

[5:01:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): what I heard there is,

[5:01:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): does that still fit into the intent

[5:01:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): of the legal opinion we had

[5:01:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): about when we were increasing the density

[5:01:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): um on salt spring so do we have any idea on what that is a ballpark is are we still within that

[5:01:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): range we

[5:01:29] Voice 15: still need to work on that that's one of the outstanding items that the data we don't have

[5:01:34] Voice 15: at the moment this was this came really fast we tried to put

[5:01:39] Voice 15: the draft bylaws together

[5:01:41] Voice 15: and as far as the numbers uh we would never get to the exact number no

[5:01:47] Voice 12: absolutely yeah it combined

[5:01:49] Voice 15: combined with secondary suites as well so it's going to be it took some time to not only analyze

[5:01:56] Voice 15: the data but it's to how to convey that to the public in a form that is easily yeah that's

[5:02:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): exactly what laura's saying but i think if if we're getting the first if we're going into first

[5:02:09] Trustee Luckham (probable): reading we do need to have that because that is going to be one of the questions people are going

[5:02:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): going to have. Does

[5:02:17] Voice 17: that make sense, Stefan? Yes, sir. If I may, Mr. Chair, you know, if you've

[5:02:22] Voice 17: noticed the bylaw, it was kind of a bold sweep. It was amending the full-time cottages and the

[5:02:28] Voice 17: seasonal cottages, changing them all into accessory dwelling units. And

[5:02:32] Voice 17: the answer we got

[5:02:33] Voice 17: last time from Legal Review was trying to put in the rental cottages. And

[5:02:42] Voice 17: there was this tension

[5:02:43] Voice 17: between rental cottages and seasonal cottages.

[5:02:47] Voice 17: They didn't want to move their received rights.

[5:02:51] Voice 17: But that is one of the biggest questions we have

[5:02:53] Voice 17: is because the building footprint is allowed

[5:02:56] Voice 17: and logic says what's the difference,

[5:02:59] Voice 17: the legal trip picking could be good.

[5:03:01] Voice 17: And we just don't have that yet.

[5:03:03] Voice 26: But we will have that.

[5:03:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): That is the proposed next steps

[5:03:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): as per the recommendation.

[5:03:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): And that still fits into your suggestion

[5:03:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): suggestion that we should go to first reading at this time

[5:03:14] Voice 15: it's not our suggestion we provide two

[5:03:17] Voice 15: options uh our resolution is just to accept the report so that we can bring it back to you but

[5:03:24] Voice 15: there is the option of taking the draft bylaw to first reading because we we sense just even from

[5:03:32] Voice 15: the last time there were lots of community and the task force pressure to do something

[5:03:37] Voice 15: say, to address the housing crisis.

[5:03:41] Voice 17: So what is your recommendation?

[5:03:44] Voice 17: So you said it wasn't your recommendation.

[5:03:46] Voice 15: Our recommendation is to let us report back.

[5:03:50] Voice 15: But there is the option to

[5:03:52] Voice 15: move forward to first reading.

[5:03:55] Voice 15: Now, first reading is really just say, go ahead and do this.

[5:03:59] Voice 15: We saw your draft by-law.

[5:04:01] Voice 15: Go ahead and work on it.

[5:04:03] Voice 15: And that's it.

[5:04:04] Voice 15: It's not really, you know, approve anything that we propose.

[5:04:10] Voice 17: I have a question.

[5:04:12] Voice 17: Yeah.

[5:04:13] Voice 17: I'm always been curious about this no detached accessory dwelling unit

[5:04:18] Voice 17: may be constructed or occupied on a lot of less than 1.2 hectares.

[5:04:23] Voice 17: Where did this 1.2 come from?

[5:04:27] Voice 17: I know a few people who fall just below that line.

[5:04:31] Voice 17: I think that's three

[5:04:31] Voice 3: acres, isn't it?

[5:04:32] Voice 17: What's that?

[5:04:33] Voice 17: It's three acres.

[5:04:35] Voice 17: Well, one hectare is 2.5 acres, and I wonder if we can't bring that number down, say, from 1.2 to 1. It seems more logical to me.

[5:04:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): Matrification.

[5:04:52] Voice 17: Laura's got something to say on that.

[5:04:54] Voice 17: well

[5:04:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): i just i mean my consistent exit i've tried to read every land use bylaw in the neighborhood

[5:05:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): that's a pretty broad neighborhood all the way out but i've only looked at vancouver island

[5:05:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): and most have a section on secondary suites and have size restrictions in relationship or

[5:05:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): or you know location specific for secondary suites and then they have the detached accessory

[5:05:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): of accessory units is a separate category.

[5:05:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): So that's how it's primarily,

[5:05:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's accessory dwelling units is just terminology

[5:05:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): for the grouping of those types of structures.

[5:05:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): It only makes sense that there are secondary suite

[5:05:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): requirements because that's within a house

[5:05:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): and that could accommodate a smaller footprint,

[5:05:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): especially when you look in town where if we had water,

[5:05:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): if we had some of these issues solved,

[5:05:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): they make sense um versus um an accessory dwelling unit that's uh with an accessory

[5:06:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): detached from the main house so

[5:06:04] Voice 17: is this addressing the concern and it's raised yes

[5:06:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): no i mean just saying because it's like two they they're your size could could be different and

[5:06:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): then um but

[5:06:14] Voice 17: do they what size do they do most of my laws focus on

[5:06:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): that i didn't uh i don't have

[5:06:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): that data but those are questions like i said this is um um before this one's uh

[5:06:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): wanda fuka it's 0.4 hectares or greater yeah mr

[5:06:34] Voice 17: chair um peter luckham stephane

[5:06:39] Voice 4: yes i

[5:06:40] Voice 17: believe uh

[5:06:41] Voice 17: trustee grove your question is why can't we reduce the 1.2 hectare down to one or

[5:06:47] Voice 3: 49

[5:06:47] Voice 17: or 48 or whatever and i think and i'm hypothesizing but um the the health uh vancouver

[5:06:56] Voice 17: island's health authority vr or whatever they were previous and and similar is that the what

[5:07:02] Voice 17: this separation between a well and its septic field is supposed to be 30 meters right and if

[5:07:09] Voice 17: you take the dimensions of that that gets you basically to a 0.6 meter 0.6 hectare lot right

[5:07:15] Voice 14: And

[5:07:15] Voice 17: that means that everybody can have the water and septic on their own fields.

[5:07:19] Voice 17: So that's an

[5:07:19] Voice 17: industry standard based on basically health and safety.

[5:07:24] Voice 17: And if you just extrapolate that, if you have an extra dwelling on that,

[5:07:30] Voice 17: you'll need that same, assuming it's got its own water source and own septic,

[5:07:36] Voice 17: just to be safe, you've now doubled that lot size, which is 1.2.

[5:07:40] Voice 17: So you need to, in order to...

[5:07:41] Voice 1: But only if it's got

[5:07:41] Voice 17: its own water source and its own septic.

[5:07:45] Voice 17: and that's the assumption and so everything's based on where it's kind of no i don't want to

[5:07:49] Voice 17: say scenario but that's where the one from two comes from so if you're greater than that then

[5:07:53] Voice 17: you can comfortably meet that requirements of separating water and sewer okay there's

[5:07:58] Voice 17: not much difference between one eighth hectare and 1.2 hectares well there's 0.2 hectares

[5:08:04] Voice 17: of 30 meters separation it actually

[5:08:08] Voice 20: there is there is a difference but i agree they could

[5:08:12] Voice 20: have connected subjects they could have all right but i think that's where the number comes from

[5:08:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): just for the record 1.217 hectares is 3.00 acres i think that's around right right the other thing

[5:08:30] Voice 11: to

[5:08:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): concur with stephan is that we had a report years ago on fetus that anything less than two

[5:08:37] Trustee Luckham (probable): acres was too small to support two dwellings with a traditional septic system yeah

[5:08:43] Voice 17: but that's two

[5:08:44] Voice 17: acres not two and we're not looking at the yeah

[5:08:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): yeah

[5:08:48] Voice 17: so it could be reduced those are questions

[5:08:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): i think we could yeah right i

[5:08:52] Voice 17: guess the question is why would you why not increase this i'll

[5:08:59] Voice 17: mention that i don't

[5:09:01] Voice 3: know it's a race to the bottom it's a matter of providing density where

[5:09:04] Voice 3: appropriate okay

[5:09:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): what

[5:09:11] Voice 3: do you want to do i'm

[5:09:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): i think we should give it the first reading and

[5:09:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): start the referral process and the further it all goes together and like i said is

[5:09:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): and use this process like be very clear in our engagement that we're signaling we're serious

[5:09:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): but we also want to engage in these conversations and deal with the issues that

[5:09:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): that needs to be dealt with.

[5:09:32] Trustee Patrick (probable): And, but it's back to that fear not taking,

[5:09:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): we should

[5:09:37] Trustee Patrick (probable): fear not taking action

[5:09:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): more than we are

[5:09:39] Trustee Patrick (probable): taking action.

[5:09:40] Voice 26: But

[5:09:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): this is a first reading and this triggers,

[5:09:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): we are serious.

[5:09:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): Let's get the conversation going.

[5:09:46] Voice 17: I support that.

[5:09:46] Voice 17: So

[5:09:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): I'll move that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust

[5:09:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): Committee bylaw number 530 on accessory dwelling units

[5:09:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): cited as Salt Spring Island land use bylaw 1999

[5:09:58] Trustee Patrick (probable): 99 amendment number one 2022 be read the first time i

[5:10:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): moved in second and so just for clarity

[5:10:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): we are now triggering triggering referrals and potentially scheduling uh

[5:10:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): uh community information meeting at a minimum or potentially public hearing correct but we

[5:10:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): have engagement i mean we have engagement consultant and i think it's i really want to

[5:10:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): signal the importance of this engagement process

[5:10:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): we

[5:10:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): know where we're going and the staff is

[5:10:33] Trustee Luckham (probable): the staff prepared for that or will be

[5:10:39] Voice 15: and this is for clarification the consulting uh work uh that we're asking is not on adu

[5:10:47] Voice 15: it's on housing but we will make sure we have this being addressed i

[5:10:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): think i think

[5:10:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): I think this is all gotta be worked together.

[5:10:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): Yeah.

[5:10:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): All right, so any further discussion?

[5:10:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): No.

[5:10:58] Trustee Luckham (probable): A call for the vote?

[5:10:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): All those in favor?

[5:11:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): So that carries unanimously.

[5:11:02] Trustee Patrick (probable): Second motion.

[5:11:03] Trustee Luckham (probable): Is there anything

[5:11:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): else we need to do

[5:11:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): on this today?

[5:11:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): There's another motion here.

[5:11:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): I move that the Salt Lake Island Local Trust Committee

[5:11:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): request staff to send bylaw number 530

[5:11:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): to external agencies, groups,

[5:11:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): and First Nations for referral.

[5:11:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): Good, second.

[5:11:15] Trustee Luckham (probable): So you're with us, Rob?

[5:11:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): Sir.

[5:11:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): So moved and seconded.

[5:11:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah.

[5:11:20] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah. Any further discussion? Good. Anything else? All right. And that concludes the housing

[5:11:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): action program. Thank you, Louisa. And

[5:11:34] Voice 17: we have other business.

[5:11:35] Trustee Luckham (probable): Look at that, Stefan. You got

[5:11:36] Trustee Luckham (probable): to see that before

[5:11:38] Voice 26: your last day. What's going on? Yeah.

[5:11:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): Okay. That's the housing action program.

[5:11:48] Trustee Luckham (probable): them so i'm going to move on then to where we left off after applications and referrals we're on page

[5:11:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): 740. thank you everyone okay where's my doctor and you're okay with us rob i should check in

[5:12:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): with you more often but you look like you're doing it all fine all right so we are back to

[5:12:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): planner gordon and this is salt spring our local trust committee authorizing a cost release

[5:12:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): restrictive covenant i'm not going to say anymore associate with 231 middle drive what do you

[5:12:33] Voice 12: thank you chair notes page 740

[5:12:42] Voice 17: 740 correct um so you might recall this application um from

[5:12:51] Voice 17: about this time last year approved the non-adhering residential use expansion on

[5:12:58] Voice 17: the subject property by about 275 square feet it was subsequently approved by the alc

[5:13:06] Voice 17: however there is a restrictive covenant on the property that limits that non-adhering

[5:13:13] Voice 17: residential use to what was approved in the initial application to 423 square feet so

[5:13:20] Voice 17: the ask before you today is to discharge the covenant or to agree to discharge the covenant

[5:13:24] Voice 17: but the applicant bears the cost of doing so in order for a building permit to be obtained for the

[5:13:31] Voice 17: expansion that you've already approved so it's unfortunately a bit of a procedural decision um

[5:13:40] Voice 17: the initial covenant was at the request of the alc which we complied with it was remained to be seen

[5:13:46] Voice 17: what they would like to do with the covenant once again so now that they've decided they didn't give

[5:13:52] Voice 17: them no role in this treasured so we need the formal uh resolution to do so uh otherwise

[5:14:01] Voice 17: i

[5:14:01] Voice 12: hope you take

[5:14:09] Voice 17: any questions the applicant was unfortunately unable to attend today

[5:14:13] Voice 17: and then other matters to attend to but i assured them that if need be we could defer it at least

[5:14:21] Voice 24: any questions straightforward

[5:14:24] Trustee Patrick (probable): okay

[5:14:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): get a motion you

[5:14:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): want me to do it i'll move

[5:14:29] Trustee Patrick (probable): seltzer and local trust committee authorized at the owner's cost release of restrictive covenant

[5:14:34] Trustee Patrick (probable): ca 6008958 from legal lot 7 section 42 south salt spring island cowichan district plan

[5:14:45] Trustee Patrick (probable): 49877 and designate any member of the trust committee to sign the release documents i second

[5:14:51] Voice 4: that seconded all those in favor that

[5:14:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): carries there you go that was easy so salt spring island

[5:15:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): annual report um staff report we're going to carry that stefan thank you thank

[5:15:07] Voice 17: you mr chair

[5:15:08] Voice 17: so as you know every year each LTC is asked to produce an annual report or a section that fits

[5:15:15] Voice 17: into the trust council's

[5:15:17] Voice 23: annual report I drafted this almost word for word from last year of course

[5:15:23] Voice 23: updating it to this year's stats and work progress that was after you this LTC edited

[5:15:30] Voice 17: it last year

[5:15:31] Voice 17: this follows kind of a scripted template which I'm sure you're all familiar with

[5:15:35] Voice 17: and um so it's incurred not too much variance but there

[5:15:39] Voice 23: it is i

[5:15:40] Voice 17: i did do this very quickly

[5:15:41] Voice 17: now but uh hopefully thoroughly and uh it's here for your consideration for contribution

[5:15:47] Voice 17: to the annual report okay

[5:15:52] Voice 7: um laura patrick one

[5:15:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): edit i think would be important and that is put

[5:15:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): a little bit more emphasis on housing i you know this community is clearly suffering the impacts

[5:16:07] Trustee Patrick (probable): impacts of this housing shortage on our workforce on all those issues so I think we need to put some

[5:16:17] Trustee Patrick (probable): make that a bit stronger um and

[5:16:24] Voice 12: here I mean it's kind of buried in there um along

[5:16:35] Voice 17: that same line

[5:16:36] Voice 17: so key projects include and the housing act so and that's the key it's a key project it says

[5:16:44] Voice 17: to which person or

[5:16:47] Trustee Patrick (probable): give it maybe give it its own sentence yeah so that you know we have

[5:16:52] Trustee Patrick (probable): key projects include maybe give it just give it its own sentence that yeah you know responding

[5:16:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): to the significant shortage in workforce housing or impacts and impacts on our community and you

[5:17:05] Voice 17: capitalize values a plan we could capitalize housing action yeah

[5:17:09] Trustee Patrick (probable): so i i would just give it

[5:17:11] Trustee Patrick (probable): its own sentence and respond in that in response to whatever

[5:17:22] Voice 12: makes sense

[5:17:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): the wording but i think

[5:17:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): we can just give it its own sentence and make reference to in response to a significant

[5:17:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): shortage of or impacts of housing on workforce

[5:17:37] Voice 12: and others

[5:17:45] Voice 3: i

[5:17:48] Trustee Patrick (probable): forgot to mention uh the call the

[5:17:50] Trustee Patrick (probable): the intergovernmental meeting we were on last week.

[5:17:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): Is that last week?

[5:17:56] Trustee Patrick (probable): It

[5:17:56] Voice 17: seems like last month.

[5:17:58] Voice 17: Yeah, that's very good.

[5:17:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): BC Housing was there.

[5:18:01] Trustee Patrick (probable): When we reported out that we were working

[5:18:04] Trustee Patrick (probable): on accessory dwelling units,

[5:18:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): we got a

[5:18:06] Voice 12: thank you from BC Housing.

[5:18:15] Voice 26: So are you clear on what the wording needs to be here?

[5:18:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): Do you need to be clear on the wording?

[5:18:20] Voice 17: The more clear, the better.

[5:18:25] Voice 17: I'm just trying to think about the annual report you know its purpose is not so much to report

[5:18:30] Voice 17: the issues but the the work so I do caution too much say you know there's a crisis of this and

[5:18:39] Voice 17: that sort of crisis of that and we're doing this is what I think the wording has been very strongly

[5:18:44] Voice 17: over the years is this is the work that the LPC has done this year right so I'm a little bit I'm

[5:18:51] Voice 17: I'm cautious to write too much about the sort of a housing status.

[5:18:58] Voice 17: The crises are being addressed. However, this is yours and I'm all right.

[5:19:03] Voice 17: And how you wish me to write it. I don't

[5:19:05] Trustee Patrick (probable): think it's being addressed.

[5:19:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): I just

[5:19:06] Trustee Patrick (probable): think that, I mean, this goes to the NDP government.

[5:19:10] Trustee Patrick (probable): They've made a big issue about housing. It's a priority of this government.

[5:19:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): And I think it is a big focus of this group. While we are balanced,

[5:19:19] Trustee Patrick (probable): we are doing more than just housing i just think it deserves its own sentence okay um

[5:19:25] Trustee Patrick (probable): that you know

[5:19:28] Trustee Patrick (probable): we acknowledge this that we this this challenge or you know in a way and that we have a housing

[5:19:35] Trustee Patrick (probable): action planning that we're that we're doing okay

[5:19:38] Voice 17: so may i suggest then um after it's we're telling

[5:19:41] Voice 17: you some first nations in advance and vote look at that whatever okay right there yeah so before

[5:19:48] Voice 17: four key projects make a like a paragraph right and then we can add a sentence at the end of the

[5:19:55] Voice 17: book specifically related to your housing does that work

[5:19:59] Trustee Patrick (probable): yeah something like that okay so let's

[5:20:01] Voice 17: maybe we can group think it right now are these key words that you want in

[5:20:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): there we've got the

[5:20:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): time would be helpful although I'd also suggest that we at executive will see the annual report

[5:20:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): in its entirety at the end and it's not that we would want to change what LTC said but obviously

[5:20:16] Trustee Luckham (probable): say um that opportunity would have failed so it wasn't so i

[5:20:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): would say let's try and spell it out

[5:20:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): now yeah

[5:20:26] Voice 17: and what i'm hearing is that sentence would be maybe as basic as um uh housing continues

[5:20:34] Voice 17: to be at the forefront of lpc you know issues i'll leave it i'm

[5:20:41] Voice 16: not very good at words

[5:20:43] Trustee Luckham (probable): Yeah. And, you know, just while you're thinking about the wording there, Laura, I often think that this annual report should actually be more descriptive of the challenges and the successes and the failures, because this is what I consider to be the annual report to the shareholder.

[5:21:05] Trustee Luckham (probable): And, you know, we don't do that. And I've attempted to do that in the past, and it doesn't usually win the day.

[5:21:12] Trustee Luckham (probable): Because it's an overwhelming document that represents 13 LTCs, not just one.

[5:21:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): I feel

[5:21:19] Voice 17: like I should be using my silver bullet on this, and I totally agree.

[5:21:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): When you have the letter S in the alphabet, letter T immediately follows letter S, by the way.

[5:21:30] Trustee Luckham (probable): But all of the other letters of the alphabet, which represents items in the Alliance Trust area, like Denman and Hornby, they might get read.

[5:21:38] Trustee Luckham (probable): It's more difficult for attention to be retained to get all the way to S and T.

[5:21:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): i just say

[5:21:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): housing continues to be a significant challenge yeah for

[5:21:49] Voice 12: salt spring that's fine but

[5:21:57] Voice 12: i don't think it's more so

[5:21:58] Voice 17: no

[5:21:59] Voice 12: i

[5:22:00] Trustee Patrick (probable): just said it continues to be a significant challenge

[5:22:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): it's it just it's

[5:22:07] Voice 12: i know it

[5:22:08] Trustee Patrick (probable): states the obvious but i i think it's worth stating

[5:22:12] Voice 3: because the

[5:22:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): the other end

[5:22:19] Trustee Luckham (probable): of that is next year you could say salt spring has risen to the

[5:22:23] Trustee Luckham (probable): challenge that identified in previous years and it's made a small impact it's

[5:22:26] Trustee Patrick (probable): going to take us

[5:22:27] Trustee Patrick (probable): probably more than

[5:22:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): a year or two to get out

[5:22:28] Trustee Luckham (probable): of this i'm just saying that you set the stage all

[5:22:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): right everybody's paying attention do

[5:22:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): you want then the salt spring island local trust committee

[5:22:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): and endorse the following text as amended for inclusion in the

[5:22:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): 2021-2022 annual report for

[5:22:44] Trustee Patrick (probable): approval by the island's trust council and submission to the minister of municipal affairs

[5:22:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): you

[5:22:49] Voice 17: don't have to read that whole thing just

[5:22:51] Trustee Patrick (probable): municipal affairs they don't have it

[5:22:53] Trustee Patrick (probable): worse

[5:22:54] Voice 17: take

[5:22:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): the end housing off of there that's

[5:22:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): extremely correct thank you okay ministry moved

[5:23:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): and seconded yep um any further discussion all those in favor there you go um and i just had

[5:23:11] Trustee Luckham (probable): another question that i didn't want to amend the report for but if you said here 181 development

[5:23:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): development oh sorry 181 building permits uh in this fist in this year how does that compare to

[5:23:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): the previous year roughly if

[5:23:28] Voice 17: you recall in january i gave you a summary of that and i even put it

[5:23:32] Voice 17: into a bar chart and all that kind of stuff um hot it's getting kind of ridiculous it's about 2016

[5:23:40] Voice 17: 17 when we started climbing the hill

[5:23:42] Voice 17: uh it just seems like there's no end to where that's going

[5:23:45] Voice 17: and so um continues to rise every year i know building permits themselves apparently have

[5:23:50] Voice 17: plateaued a bit but

[5:23:52] Voice 23: not the referral to us so

[5:23:54] Voice 20: um whatever that means but yeah it's they are

[5:23:59] Voice 20: higher than they've ever been so i i

[5:24:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): don't know exactly because i don't think that though

[5:24:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): because it's interesting you know when i you guys travel the very more than i do but the times that

[5:24:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): i travel i'm just amazed about how many trades people are coming and going that's a lot of

[5:24:13] Trustee Luckham (probable): building and construction and obviously the affordability of housing is not what's being

[5:24:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): added yeah

[5:24:20] Voice 17: new houses are being built they're all being a lot more houses being occupied than

[5:24:24] Voice 17: ever before it's just not by the people who live here getting displaced okay yeah the housing um

[5:24:33] Trustee Patrick (probable): the huge jump was housing sales i don't i don't have the i didn't update my table here um

[5:24:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): $257 million last year in real estate sales.

[5:24:46] Trustee Patrick (probable): But yeah, it was only $79 million in residential building permits.

[5:24:49] Trustee Patrick (probable): So Peter

[5:24:49] Voice 26: Groves left the room just for the record?

[5:24:52] Voice 26: He'll be back.

[5:24:54] Trustee Patrick (probable): Huge amount of jumping.

[5:24:55] Trustee Patrick (probable): Because I only had as of when to say that.

[5:25:00] Voice 4: So on Peter Groves' terms, we'll continue with the notice

[5:25:04] Voice 4: that the government's about to

[5:25:05] Voice 12: sell the shadow taxi limited.

[5:25:11] Voice 12: That's when the silver shadow rolls away.

[5:25:17] Voice 12: That's it to me.

[5:25:18] Voice 12: That was great.

[5:25:24] Voice 3: there's a story about the silver

[5:25:25] Trustee Luckham (probable): shadow figurine that's on the hood

[5:25:29] Trustee Luckham (probable): represented a family member or something

[5:25:44] Voice 12: wow well there's sorry there's let's receive this for information

[5:25:55] Voice 12: and we'll

[5:25:56] Trustee Luckham (probable): advise here it is so we've just decided to receive the notice to local government regarding

[5:26:01] Trustee Luckham (probable): the silver shadow thank you and we're going to move on to the next one which is main island

[5:26:07] Trustee Luckham (probable): and local trust committee referral of proposed bylaws 184 25 187 and 189 and what they're

[5:26:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): interested in is whether or not your interests are affected and if they're not a motion to that

[5:26:18] Trustee Luckham (probable): they are unaffected well

[5:26:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): my interests are affected i'm interested um but it doesn't

[5:26:23] Trustee Patrick (probable): affect our interest on salt spring um and i think i would hope i you know i think i've passed this

[5:26:30] Trustee Patrick (probable): on to like uh to ronan the chair but i hope we're officially sharing this

[5:26:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): with the housing

[5:26:36] Trustee Patrick (probable): housing task force this this concept that they're doing over there it is interesting the flexible

[5:26:41] Trustee Patrick (probable): housing so

[5:26:43] Voice 4: somebody want

[5:26:44] Voice 17: to move the local trust committee request staff to respond barrels from

[5:26:48] Voice 17: Maine Island local trust committee for bylaws numbers 184 186 187 and 189 indicating that the

[5:26:54] Voice 17: Salt Spring Island local trust committee's interests are unaffected second that moved

[5:26:59] Trustee Luckham (probable): and seconded any discussion all those in favor that carries Stefan was going to say something

[5:27:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): in regards to my oh

[5:27:06] Voice 17: i'm sorry i'm not 100 sure maybe uh connor gordon's going to answer this

[5:27:10] Voice 17: if this has been referred to i know it's been referred to i don't know if they've read it

[5:27:15] Voice 17: um but it is something i i feel a little more comfortable my last day at this meeting saying

[5:27:21] Voice 17: i've really tried to emphasize to the task force personally that amending the ocp uh and the sooner

[5:27:26] Voice 17: we get demanding the ocp the sooner you can get your goals for housing it's a cleaner way this

[5:27:31] Voice 17: is an example of that so by that that would be the first reason so i just would like to

[5:27:38] Voice 17: re-emphasize that there's so many issues regarding the ocp but there's so much delay

[5:27:42] Voice 17: the sooner we can go to the ltc and then you can go to your housing issues okay

[5:27:49] Trustee Luckham (probable): so um i just want

[5:27:51] Trustee Luckham (probable): to ask one question here other business we have an rwm on the books which i have just called

[5:28:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): all asked to conduct the vote for

[5:28:03] Voice 10: which

[5:28:04] Trustee Luckham (probable): I'm not going to say anything further except can we

[5:28:08] Trustee Luckham (probable): conduct the vote or should I just ask the trustees to please vote now get

[5:28:13] Trustee Patrick (probable): that RWM why

[5:28:14] Trustee Patrick (probable): don't we put

[5:28:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): the RWM on the record so that's not

[5:28:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): yeah the

[5:28:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): RWM anymore we can can't we just make the motion

[5:28:20] Trustee Patrick (probable): well except

[5:28:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): that's I'm asking Stefan except that is in the air and then that would require to be

[5:28:27] Trustee Luckham (probable): be it would be just defaulted by not being voted on and it would fail or yeah i really meant just

[5:28:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): for daniella sanity i would i would recommend just finish the vote yeah

[5:28:38] Trustee Patrick (probable): so i've caught the

[5:28:39] Trustee Luckham (probable): conduct asked to conduct the vote so just send your vote in okay so it's been sent

[5:28:42] Trustee Patrick (probable): out okay i

[5:28:43] Trustee Patrick (probable): haven't seen it

[5:28:44] Voice 17: i have not seen it it's

[5:28:46] Trustee Luckham (probable): in your email uh well if it's not in your email now it

[5:28:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): should be shortly and and daniela has my uh it came in at 10 o'clock this morning i was just

[5:28:57] Trustee Luckham (probable): checking my email so i'm not and so if daniel was listening i've sent you the conductor came in at

[5:29:03] Trustee Patrick (probable): 903 minutes

[5:29:06] Trustee Luckham (probable): or no that's 954 this morning it came in

[5:29:12] Trustee Patrick (probable): we were

[5:29:14] Trustee Luckham (probable): already in the meeting i'm

[5:29:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): sorry i had

[5:29:15] Trustee Patrick (probable): a lot of emails today why

[5:29:17] Trustee Luckham (probable): where the hell are they there's been a ton of

[5:29:18] Trustee Patrick (probable): people i do not have an email

[5:29:21] Trustee Patrick (probable): no

[5:29:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): you wouldn't have i got it to conduct the vote and that's now you should get another email you

[5:29:26] Trustee Luckham (probable): should get an email shortly so if you don't get it now when you get home um so that can our

[5:29:34] Trustee Luckham (probable): upcoming meeting is may the 17th and uh this is my opportunity to say stefan i'm gonna miss you

[5:29:40] Trustee Luckham (probable): not being at our may 17th meeting yeah

[5:29:43] Voice 12: and

[5:29:45] Trustee Luckham (probable): i just simply um i want to thank you on the

[5:29:50] Trustee Luckham (probable): bottom of my heart for the professional advice and support uh to the ltc and to me personally

[5:29:55] Trustee Luckham (probable): in uh in the business that the arms trust and i wish you very well you and

[5:30:00] Trustee Luckham (probable): family and uh thank you thank you

[5:30:02] Trustee Luckham (probable): and

[5:30:09] Voice 26: call for

[5:30:11] Voice 25: the meeting to be adjourned so

[5:30:13] Voice 17: be it remember to

[5:30:14] Voice 17: write

[5:30:14] Voice 25: in once a

[5:30:15] Voice 17: month with your update are you going to stay on the island as long as i can well

[5:30:21] Trustee Luckham (probable): let's uh stop the

[5:30:22] Trustee Luckham (probable): recording and all that good stuff and the next very or

[5:30:29] Voice 12: something so i'm in

[5:30:31] Trustee Luckham (probable): good shape i think i might even get on that one if i leave now i

[5:30:40] Voice 12: can take you right now

[5:30:41] Voice 12: I've got a car?

[5:30:42] Voice 12: Good.