Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, April 7, 2022

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[0:03:53] Voice 4: okay good morning everyone i'm sorry for the delay for those watching online i apologize for the um

[0:04:01] Voice 4: the delay in getting started we're about 24 minutes late which is almost exactly

[0:04:06] Voice 4: how late the ferry was and i apologize for that uh this is the the april the 7th regular meeting

[0:04:17] Voice 4: of the gabriel local trust committee um and i want to start by acknowledging that we're meeting

[0:04:24] Voice 4: in the traditional territories of many Coast Salish peoples and we're pleased to be able to

[0:04:33] Voice 4: do that. I traveled across the Salish Sea last night and I'm always reminded of what a beautiful

[0:04:39] Voice 4: place it is and it's great to be back on Gabriola again. I think I've only been here once in the

[0:04:46] Voice 4: last two years, I think we were here once in the fall, so it's wonderful to be back and in a

[0:04:53] Voice 4: different location in the south community hall anyway privileged to be here and of course in

[0:04:58] Voice 4: the traditional territory of the uh islamic first nation uh honored and privileged to be

[0:05:04] Voice 4: um so uh i want to just say a couple of things before we start uh this is a the next iteration

[0:05:15] Voice 4: consideration of our um attempts to of coming out of our our completely virtual meetings process

[0:05:24] Voice 4: um as you will probably know uh for almost two years with a couple of small exceptions we had

[0:05:33] Voice 4: all of our meetings as an L local trust committee on a on a zoom webinar um which uh required a

[0:05:41] Voice 4: fair amount of dedication of staff source resources and time and material and we did that

[0:05:46] Voice 4: uh to the best of our ability for a number of um a number of years or months uh and uh we're now

[0:05:55] Voice 4: moving out of that process and we're back in person at the

[0:06:00] Voice 4: just called the south community hall

[0:06:02] Voice 4: community hall uh which is my first time here and sorry if i sound a little

[0:06:07] Voice 4: uh uncertain because i we always met up at the ag hall earlier um and so this is this um

[0:06:15] Voice 4: so we're it's not it's not an ideal scenario uh but what we have is we have a

[0:06:22] Voice 4: uh the meeting is being recorded um you will be able to see mostly the three trustees on your

[0:06:30] Voice 4: screen for uh for the the uh the most of the meeting um and it's being recorded and it's also

[0:06:38] Voice 4: being live streamed um it is not however a webinar in the same sense that it was for a number of uh

[0:06:47] Voice 4: for all that period of time in the sense that people are not um able to join unless they are

[0:06:55] Voice 4: are part of the actual meeting itself in the sense that they are invited as members of the actual

[0:07:01] Voice 4: web zoom meeting and that's not something that's available public because they require it requires

[0:07:07] Voice 4: to have um uh staffing to keep the um the uh invitees and the people that are participants

[0:07:16] Voice 4: sorry our observers as opposed to our participants separate etc so uh if you're not in the hall today

[0:07:23] Voice 4: day you you won't be able unless you have a link won't be able to participate in the meeting you

[0:07:30] Voice 4: will be able to observe and of course this meeting is being recorded and will be up on the website

[0:07:38] Voice 4: usually within a couple of days as my experience is on the website if you go to this the date of

[0:07:47] Voice 4: this meeting uh in a couple of days uh eventually there should be a a copy of the report so let me

[0:07:54] Voice 4: introduce myself my name is dan rogers i'm the chair of the gabriel local trust committee i

[0:07:59] Voice 4: am also a member of the i am a member of the executive committee of islands trust

[0:08:05] Voice 4: and as a result um as one of the vice chairs we're assigned to chair meetings on other islands

[0:08:12] Voice 4: and I have the privilege of chairing Gabriola and Galeano and Maine and also I come from

[0:08:20] Voice 4: I come from Lek Tynes which is the Esquamish word for an island I've got some house sound

[0:08:27] Voice 4: called Keats Island and that's where my connection to the Islands Trust comes from

[0:08:33] Voice 4: I am in the nearing end of my second term as a trustee from that area I'd like to introduce

[0:08:40] Voice 4: the people you see you'll see on your screen of course your local trustees uh trustee langer ice

[0:08:45] Voice 4: langer ice on my um on my left and your right and uh trustee scott holborn as well those are

[0:08:53] Voice 4: your local gabriola trustees gentlemen very nice to see you both i haven't seen you in person for

[0:08:58] Voice 4: quite some time um and uh we we also have our recorder who you won't see on screen most for

[0:09:07] Voice 4: for the most part, Nadine Moreau, right, Nadine?

[0:09:09] Voice 4: Nice to see you as well.

[0:09:11] Voice 4: You will hear me speak with Nadine from time to time.

[0:09:13] Voice 4: She's keeping the minutes.

[0:09:15] Voice 4: We have staff with us.

[0:09:18] Voice 4: We have the Island Planner, Sonia Zubinich,

[0:09:21] Voice 4: and we also have Regional Planning Manager, Heather Cower.

[0:09:25] Voice 4: Nice to see you both.

[0:09:27] Voice 4: Again, they're not on screen.

[0:09:29] Voice 4: They're over to our left.

[0:09:31] Voice 4: Also joining us today will be two other planners

[0:09:34] Voice 4: at some point.

[0:09:36] Voice 4: first is phil testimonial who has one of the applications on the file and also teresa mahigua

[0:09:44] Voice 4: who will be joining us for a couple of the applications as well so those are my introductory

[0:09:51] Voice 4: remarks just so we know the procedure and the next thing on the then is to have a look at the agenda

[0:09:59] Voice 4: and uh and talk to us the trustees first of all if there's anything that you wish to add a man

[0:10:07] Voice 4: discuss move or anything of that nature on the agenda the only thing

[0:10:11] Voice 4: one thing i will point out

[0:10:12] Voice 4: is that um trustee testimony has asked he has item 7.3 on the agenda and he's written and asked if we

[0:10:24] Voice 4: would be prepared to put it at the top of the agenda of the applications that's the Godfrey

[0:10:30] Voice 4: matter and does anybody hear from Godfrey no I don't know if our trustee is prepared to have it

[0:10:38] Voice 4: be heard first and staff is there anything that you wish to address in terms of the agenda before

[0:10:47] Voice 4: we adopt it okay

[0:10:50] Planner Testemale: just say dan sorry this is phil testimonial that that connor godfrey the applicant

[0:10:54] Planner Testemale: will be joining by zoom as well okay

[0:10:57] Voice 18: so we'll are you in

[0:10:58] Voice 4: touch with him yes yeah well you'll flag

[0:11:02] Voice 4: for him

[0:11:02] Voice 4: when it's time for him to come i will yes thanks okay thank you thank you very much

[0:11:07] Voice 4: so that disembodied voice is what we'll be hearing from people who come in um over the course of the

[0:11:14] Voice 4: a meeting uh and actually one thing this technology is not perfect but one of the

[0:11:20] Voice 4: things i found is is that the both the microphone and the speakers in that little camera there are

[0:11:27] Voice 4: actually pretty good um and but if anybody can't hear please let us know and i'll ask someone to

[0:11:32] Voice 4: speak up yeah there's a way of increasing the volume you didn't hear what he

[0:11:37] Voice 4: said i don't

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[0:11:38] Voice 3: think i may increase

[0:11:40] Voice 4: the volume but we can ask him to speak up it'll be it'll be phil it'll be

[0:11:46] Voice 4: uh planner vehicular and it'll be um i guess at least one of the applicants uh mr godfrey

[0:11:52] Voice 4: or somebody godfrey will be here so we'll ask them to speak up if you couldn't hear that

[0:11:58] Voice 4: um i don't i have a i have a control here but i

[0:12:02] Voice 15: don't think i can find it quickly

[0:12:12] Voice 4: and there looks like there's a a volume on it so when we get to that we'll see about

[0:12:19] Voice 4: okay so then uh the agenda will be with that amendment of moving 7.3 to the top of the

[0:12:33] Voice 4: the applications and referrals and bylaws will be adopted as presented and the first item on

[0:12:42] Voice 4: the agenda then is as we like to do is the and just so people know you'll see that that

[0:12:51] Voice 4: folks are the other trustees are masked I will put my mask on when I'm not speaking and we'll

[0:12:58] Voice 4: probably take it off when i am speaking just so that i can be here for clearly uh first item on

[0:13:04] Voice 4: the agenda is trustee reports and i don't know which trustee would like to go i'm

[0:13:08] Voice 14: just going to

[0:13:09] Voice 14: pass i'll go first yes we're running behind okay trustee

[0:13:16] Voice 4: he passed he didn't want to make a report

[0:13:18] Voice 4: oh

[0:13:19] Voice 17: okay well i'll keep it brief because i think we have a large agenda a large agenda

[0:13:25] Voice 17: as well and

[0:13:26] Voice 17: And since the last trust

[0:13:28] Voice 17: meeting, obviously we've had the trust council meeting, which has had some controversy, but we did get through it and made a number of decisions with the budget, and we're still working

[0:13:39] Voice 17: on a couple of the other issues, basically the government's review report, that's still to be dealt with.

[0:13:46] Voice 17: One of the things I really enjoyed recently was the Arts Festival.

[0:13:51] Voice 17: One book, one community, Michelle Good, was heard on the 31st of March.

[0:13:57] Voice 17: It was really interesting to listen to her speak about why she wrote the book, which was, in her view,

[0:14:05] Voice 17: was to get people to realize that it's not that simple to get over the damage that they suffered through the residential schools,

[0:14:13] Voice 17: and the abuse of that and that she won't the people who say well some people get get over it

[0:14:19] Voice 17: she's saying it's not that simple it's going to take a long time for people to recover from it

[0:14:25] Voice 17: that was i found that really really interesting it was really interesting just to watch her speak

[0:14:31] Voice 17: you know she's such a natural person in her talking about her life and what she's going through

[0:14:42] Voice 17: I also attended the 25th session on March 22nd and 29th, and I found it interesting.

[0:14:52] Voice 17: What was interesting was the first meeting was somewhat unbalanced from my perspective,

[0:14:59] Voice 17: which is that there was a lot of sentiment against it, but the second session was more

[0:15:04] Voice 17: mission more balanced and i just wanted to see that and that it was you know support for the

[0:15:09] justice as well so

[0:15:10] Voice 17: that changed a bit um the other thing is uh we the staff lost which is really um

[0:15:19] Voice 17: unfortunate we're losing lisa wilcox senior intergovernmental policy advisor she's uh

[0:15:27] Voice 17: leaving as of tomorrow so she'll be a hard act to follow i

[0:15:34] Voice 10: think i'll leave the doubt for now

[0:15:39] Voice 4: thanks um so just uh i'll be brief as well because we do have a lot on the agenda

[0:15:47] Voice 4: the uh we did have our trust council two weeks ago we're still digesting what occurred there which was

[0:15:53] Voice 4: um a bit chaotic at times and uh and um and there's you know and there's clearly a uh you

[0:16:04] Voice 4: know differences of opinion as to how the trust should be managed and how it's going forward

[0:16:09] Voice 4: and we'll continue to work on those things

[0:16:11] Voice 4: as we're going forward.

[0:16:15] Voice 4: We have had, we did adopt the budget, however,

[0:16:18] Voice 4: and we did receive the governance report,

[0:16:22] Voice 4: which again is being interpreted quite differently

[0:16:24] Voice 4: by a number of folks.

[0:16:27] Voice 4: I do urge you to read that,

[0:16:30] Voice 4: if you're interested in the governance report in detail,

[0:16:33] Voice 4: read the section around the planning,

[0:16:34] Voice 4: which is the addendum to the report.

[0:16:36] Voice 4: And it's actually remarkably complimentary regarding our planning and the work that we're doing, given the complications that this organization has.

[0:16:47] Voice 4: So I urge you to do that.

[0:16:50] Voice 4: We also received a report from the consultants and the staff related to the current engagement that's going on for the Islands 2050.

[0:17:03] Voice 4: 2050 have they been to gave we've been to gabriel have we come here okay so they've already been

[0:17:07] Voice 4: here oh that's right you just said that i know they're heading into the southern gulf islands

[0:17:12] Voice 4: and there's a more than one engagement on salt spring uh over the next 10 days so that will

[0:17:16] Voice 4: continue for the next week and a half or so in terms of on island engagement plus the surveys

[0:17:22] Voice 4: open plus commentaries always welcome uh there were a number of um there were two online engagements

[0:17:30] Voice 4: trust-wide. And I remind you that the Community Stewardship Awards are open until April 18th.

[0:17:38] Voice 4: Hope I got that date right. And so if you haven't found that this is a, there's been a number of

[0:17:46] Voice 4: recipients of the Community Stewardship Award from Gabriel over the years. And I know there's

[0:17:51] Voice 4: great people with it. It's been suspended for a couple of years. And so this will be an opportunity

[0:17:57] Voice 4: to if there's someone on the island you wish to recognize and I also want to also acknowledge

[0:18:03] Voice 4: that's not the only staff person that's leaving we've had a number of staff people that have left

[0:18:09] Voice 4: over the last six months but acknowledge Lisa who's going on Lisa Wilcox is going on to a

[0:18:16] Voice 4: different role in a different organization I have that's my report I do have a report from

[0:18:27] Voice 4: vanessa craig uh which do these does anybody know do these eventually get uploaded up and

[0:18:35] Voice 4: but attached as an addendum to the agenda because they often come in the night before the meeting

[0:18:40] Voice 4: does anybody know i don't know how they get become public yeah

[0:18:44] Voice 16: i think i understand that

[0:18:45] Voice 16: our legislative clerk will add those addendums to the final agenda package okay

[0:18:51] Voice 4: so i'm going to

[0:18:52] Voice 4: a short form for a report but you may wish to you know it's always very informative as to what

[0:18:58] Voice 4: vanessa craig is has to say um she talks about the first of all about huxley park which i just

[0:19:04] Voice 4: had a quick look at um and it's open and that and then she addresses and not some budget cost

[0:19:10] Voice 4: estimates and for the for the budget and phase two and budgeting etc and there's some information

[0:19:17] Voice 4: information there about how that budgeting process occurs um it's gone through federal several phases

[0:19:24] Voice 4: and of course they also do rfds for suppliers etc regarding cost um she went notes that the rdn has

[0:19:32] Voice 4: launched the regional parks and trails strategy survey is the next step in the developing the

[0:19:38] Voice 4: strategy strategy knowledge draft vision goals it's looking for feedback until april the 28th

[0:19:44] Voice 4: um the feasibility study and the potential cost of functioning we're creating a community health

[0:19:49] Voice 4: and well-being planner position is underway um she says she's pleased to report that the

[0:19:55] Voice 4: membership of abicc endorsed the resolution on timing homes which will now move to the ubcm in

[0:20:03] Voice 4: the fall i'm not sure what that was specific um she said this afternoon the electoral area

[0:20:10] Voice 4: area service committee will consider staff report about the implication of the recent fuel

[0:20:13] Voice 4: management prescription for the 707 community park on the issue of unhoused people sheltering

[0:20:21] Voice 4: overnight they indicate that the forest has the potential to support a severe sorry support a

[0:20:26] Voice 4: severe wildfire during the most severe weather conditions with the size of the park difficulty

[0:20:32] Voice 4: in accessing the park for monitoring or firefighting difficult enforcing so if you're

[0:20:36] Voice 4: interest in that you can go to the electoral area services committee and or talk to their regional

[0:20:41] Voice 4: director um they've rdns again started by law enforcement practice issue issuing notices on

[0:20:48] Voice 4: title uh under section 57 of the community charter after a few years when this tool was not used

[0:20:53] Voice 4: notice title provides information or potential owners uh for stakeholders for property that

[0:21:00] Voice 4: there is contravention to the local government building bylaw building etc there's more on

[0:21:06] Voice 4: on that in her report.

[0:21:08] Voice 4: The board endorsed the regional strategy

[0:21:10] Voice 4: for rainwater management,

[0:21:12] Voice 4: and she attached the report for our information.

[0:21:15] Voice 4: I won't read it, it's 67 pages long,

[0:21:18] Voice 4: looks very interesting.

[0:21:20] Voice 4: There's a free webinar on rainwater management

[0:21:23] Voice 4: this afternoon at 2 p.m.

[0:21:25] Voice 4: You could read this yesterday.

[0:21:27] Voice 4: Oh, that was yesterday?

[0:21:29] Voice 4: I think so.

[0:21:29] Voice 4: Okay, I'm good, okay.

[0:21:32] Voice 4: And then she says upcoming RDM meetings

[0:21:35] Voice 4: are continuing in hybrid mode with some directors in person etc the next board meeting is april 12th

[0:21:41] Voice 4: and 26th at 1 p.m step the next electoral area service committee is uh this afternoon

[0:21:47] Voice 4: and may 5th 1 p.m that's the report from the regional director

[0:21:51] Voice 10: um

[0:21:53] Voice 4: okay no

[0:21:55] Voice 14: it is today

[0:21:55] Voice 14: there you

[0:21:58] Voice 4: go so the rainwater management workshop is today at 2 p.m uh does anyone have a

[0:22:05] Voice 4: The next item on the agenda is a First Nations report.

[0:22:10] Voice 4: And does anyone have a specific First Nations report that they would like to make?

[0:22:15] Voice 14: No, I'll also acknowledge the work of Lisa Lookups.

[0:22:18] Voice 14: It's transformative and deeply moving on the personal

[0:22:26] Voice 14: level as well to see what we've

[0:22:28] Voice 15: learned as an

[0:22:28] Voice 14: organization and communities as well.

[0:22:30] Voice 15: So thank you to her and I wish her well.

[0:22:34] Voice 4: anything from you trustee and i don't have anything specific uh to this uh this area uh

[0:22:42] Voice 4: i will say that there have been some questions from time to time about

[0:22:46] Voice 4: about the engagement with first nations in relation to um the the trust policy statement

[0:22:54] Voice 4: engagement um i just just want to clarify and i'm happy to have a discussion offline with anyone

[0:23:00] Voice 4: or the wishes that that's a separate process than from the community process that it isn't going on

[0:23:05] Voice 4: right now uh that is a government to government process that uh is uh it's to get the feedback

[0:23:12] Voice 4: from those nations that uh that wish to and have opted in to engage with us on the trust policy

[0:23:19] Voice 4: statement and make their views known and i say those nations because there are uh over 30 in

[0:23:26] Voice 4: the trust area uh that have um historical rights and and and recognition in this area and not all

[0:23:36] Voice 4: having have chosen to engage but somehow and so that process is unfolding at a time that is the

[0:23:42] Voice 4: same as um uh everyone else uh mr godfried if you're watching i can see you in the waiting

[0:23:50] Voice 4: room i will promote you when we get to your application it shouldn't be too much longer

[0:23:54] Voice 4: um okay thank you for that i'm going to go now to uh the uh to the town hall uh this is an

[0:24:04] Voice 4: opportunity for you to speak to your local trust committee um uh and i would ask you to speak about

[0:24:11] Voice 4: issues that are to the extent i guess it's always hard to say within our jurisdiction because we

[0:24:17] Voice 4: tend to take on some things that occasionally drift out of our jurisdiction i have three

[0:24:23] Voice 4: uh requests slash requirements regarding speaking in the town hall the first is is that you address

[0:24:29] Voice 4: your commentary uh to the local trust committee trustees uh and to the trustees um uh and not

[0:24:37] Voice 4: to staff or to each other or to the community at large it's um important that these commentary come

[0:24:45] Voice 4: to us if we feel that staff needs to answer those questions we'll we'll we'll pass it on to them to

[0:24:52] Voice 4: do that uh the second thing is i'm uh it's important that you address issues um and not

[0:24:59] Voice 4: people or personalities uh this needs to be an incredibly a safe place for not only us this is

[0:25:06] Voice 4: all of ours workplace all the people you see in front of you um and we're entitled to a safe

[0:25:12] Voice 4: workplace uh so we ask that you let that you speak to issues uh and not to people or or personalities

[0:25:21] Voice 4: and that goes for the people in in the uh and the community as well and those that are here joining

[0:25:27] Voice 4: us in person uh the last is um uh is i ask you to use appropriate language at all times um i said

[0:25:35] Voice 4: the other day uh if you're going to speak to us speak in a way that would make your grandmother

[0:25:39] Voice 4: other proud um as opposed to take you out and correct your language so i i have never had an

[0:25:48] Voice 4: issue on gabrielle and i don't expect one today so i look forward to hearing from you so who would

[0:25:54] Voice 1: like

[0:25:54] Voice 4: to speak to the uh local trust committee today about an issue on the agenda or or another

[0:26:00] Voice 13: issue

[0:26:00] Voice 4: that's not on the agenda yes i saw i think it's just behind that mask isn't it

[0:26:10] Voice 13: just in regards to density donations um last month it was suggested that um another option

[0:26:19] Voice 13: beside a covenant on the title of the property that's dealing density um rezoning uh could be

[0:26:25] Voice 13: another option and i just want to tell testimony that after consideration in my mind the cheapest

[0:26:32] Voice 13: The cheapest

[0:26:32] Voice 13: way for the taxpayers would be a covenant with title.

[0:26:35] Voice 13: Just an opinion. Thank you.

[0:26:39] Voice 13: In terms of the reverse record record data with the stats Canada.

[0:26:45] Voice 13: It would be

[0:26:47] Voice 6: perhaps

[0:26:47] Voice 13: necessary for the local trust committee to request from the province, a change of designate a change of status.

[0:26:55] Voice 13: Right now, Gabriola is considered a designated area, and with that designation, it might

[0:27:06] Voice 13: be difficult to get a breakdown of the Corsi and all of the islands around the trust area

[0:27:13] Voice 13: of Gabriola, the data, the population data and all the census data.

[0:27:19] Voice 13: It's because we have a designated focus with the province in regards to census.

[0:27:27] Voice 13: And I see that there are two subdivision applications in the package today, and I am now puzzled because after I've done some research, believe it or not, supposedly, well, the answers are saying to us that then Minister Rita Johnson told everyone in a bill called 78 that the trust committees had subdivision approval.

[0:27:56] Voice 13: jurisdiction. So I don't know where and when this subdivision approval capacity was dropped,

[0:28:05] Voice 13: but as of Bill 78 in 1987, the trust had it. I'm just saying that's the research, that's

[0:28:13] Voice 13: the answer, that's what she said. If you look into the agenda package on page 18, by

[0:28:23] Voice 13: By law 3.11, I believe, there is a typo.

[0:28:27] Voice 13: It should read Gabriela Island and Artitis Island.

[0:28:33] Voice 13: Interpretation, page section 2.1.1.

[0:28:41] Voice 13: It's just a typo, I believe.

[0:28:44] Voice 16: Could be.

[0:28:44] Voice 13: Page 18 of the agenda package.

[0:28:47] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:28:48] Voice 13: Thank you.

[0:28:50] Voice 13: In terms of compliance with manual fire inspection,

[0:28:54] Voice 13: the minutes are saying that an applicant or an owner of a TUP will be challenged at a time of renewal.

[0:29:06] Voice 13: And instead of this, I would suggest to the local trust committee not to be that flexible

[0:29:12] Voice 13: and to just say that the application for the TUP, that the status of the TUP will not be renewed.

[0:29:22] Voice 13: it will have to be reapplied for if there is non-compliance with the annual fire inspection

[0:29:28] Voice 13: i find it too lenient to permissive uh not doing so as on an annual basis

[0:29:35] Voice 13: okay um

[0:29:42] Voice 17: i got one sure i just want to respond to the thing about the

[0:29:48] Voice 17: approving officer that was that's currently with the ministry of transportation and construction

[0:29:53] Voice 17: that the approving

[0:29:54] Voice 1: officer actually is an

[0:29:55] Voice 17: independent officer of the legislature.

[0:30:00] Voice 17: of that ministry, but the MODI has taken on the role of housing that person and supporting

[0:30:06] Voice 17: that person as well.

[0:30:07] Voice 17: And I think, I believe the trust could take it on, but it would mean establishing administrative

[0:30:13] Voice 17: support and then taking on that role, but they don't enforce the trust per se like they

[0:30:19] don't enforce the euthanasia application.

[0:30:22] Voice 17: That's the point of the cabinet as a separate officer.

[0:30:25] Voice 17: so it's really where the person located and the supports around that person

[0:30:30] Voice 17: the staffing etc but that would be the higher person would take it on this

[0:30:35] Voice 17: they would have to incorporate all of that as well it's just that's my understanding

[0:30:41] Voice 17: thank you

[0:30:44] Voice 16: okay

[0:30:47] Voice 4: thank you for your commentary we'll keep an eye out for page 18 and

[0:30:52] Voice 4: the feed bylaw i put my mind out when we get to that thank you anybody else wish to speak

[0:31:00] Voice 4: in town just and i'll remind anybody who's an applicant you'll get an opportunity to speak

[0:31:04] Voice 4: during your application sorry if you're an applicant you'll get an opportunity to speak

[0:31:09] Voice 4: when we consider the application but if anybody else wishes to speak in town hall please yes go

[0:31:14] Voice 4: ahead sir i'm

[0:31:15] Voice 15: just um really curious to know what each of your your feedback was you know real short

[0:31:20] Voice 15: on the uh consultation and what you feel because it's obviously push pushback here

[0:31:28] Voice 15: to to report i noticed in the last meeting i'm just wondering what you should be

[0:31:33] Voice 15: well it was

[0:31:43] Voice 4: actually myself who put up a um a motion at the trust council which

[0:31:47] Voice 4: unfortunately in my view unfortunately didn't get dealt with on

[0:31:52] Voice 4: last trust council to to to develop a what i called a an implementation committee to consider

[0:31:59] Voice 4: the report and have uh the uh report uh considered by a group of trustees who could then recommend

[0:32:07] Voice 4: what steps would be immediate we could do it implement some which would might be a little

[0:32:14] Voice 4: longer term and what might be something that we didn't agree with and they and we as a trust

[0:32:20] Voice 4: council i

[0:32:21] Voice 18: don't know how that

[0:32:22] Voice 4: process is going to eventually unfold that motion didn't get dealt

[0:32:25] Voice 4: with it got deferred um i guess we could all express our opinion uh i think that the report

[0:32:33] Voice 4: provides some interesting uh recommendations i think there are some some recommendations in

[0:32:39] Voice 4: the report that um um that i'm not sure will fit with our our structure um and uh and and i don't

[0:32:52] Voice 4: know i'd like to see what the what any committee of trustees comes up with like i'm not sure that

[0:32:57] Voice 4: the corporate is the concept of a what they call a secretary or whatever will fit with the structure

[0:33:04] Voice 4: of our organization, whether that's a new position

[0:33:06] Voice 4: or it seemed to be a more of a federal government type

[0:33:11] Voice 4: of a structure as opposed to what we work with

[0:33:13] Voice 4: under provincial government.

[0:33:16] Voice 4: I think there were some things in the report where they,

[0:33:19] Voice 4: I'm not sure they completely understood how we operate it,

[0:33:22] Voice 4: but I do think that there are some interesting recommendations

[0:33:26] Voice 4: in the report in terms of how we go forward.

[0:33:29] Voice 4: I think it was also lacking in specifics.

[0:33:31] Voice 4: So we're gonna have to figure out

[0:33:33] Voice 4: how to take the broad generalized commentary and work through the um the trust and determine i

[0:33:40] Voice 4: don't think they're i'm not sure pushback's the right word i just think there's some questions

[0:33:44] Voice 4: about the report and how it will be um how it will be implemented is the the issue i will say

[0:33:53] Voice 4: i've seen some public commentary uh that there seems to be a suspicion that we'll get buried

[0:33:59] Voice 4: um i don't know where that's coming from uh because there has been no wedding that i've ever

[0:34:05] Voice 4: have seen who has said or has indicated that that's their intention do either of you want

[0:34:11] Voice 4: to answer that question i didn't quite get the question was

[0:34:15] Voice 17: you wanted to know

[0:34:16] Voice 4: what about the

[0:34:17] Voice 4: about the about the great northern report i thought it was about forestry

[0:34:21] Voice 4: you

[0:34:22] Voice 17: know um myself i'm i'm fairly supportive of the report there are

[0:34:29] Voice 17: some things that may not

[0:34:30] Voice 17: they can't hear you with your maps

[0:34:32] Voice 17: and i wear hearing aids and my voice drops

[0:34:37] Voice 17: uh yeah the report i think that i i agree with a lot of the report

[0:34:41] Voice 17: there may be some nuances that need to be addressed

[0:34:47] Voice 17: review that occurs you know of the committee that would be established events yeah i support

[0:34:53] Voice 17: establishing a governance committee to look at that so it's really it's really a matter i think

[0:35:00] Voice 17: trust council having a dialogue among themselves what's in the report what do you think is possible

[0:35:07] Voice 17: and something i think is going to go back tied to our understanding of what we are and that was

[0:35:16] Voice 17: pointed out before what does the trust council as a whole saying so basically from a similar

[0:35:23] Voice 17: a song sheet or not because if we don't we always have some struggles and i think that's what's

[0:35:28] Voice 17: happening so that's my first one no

[0:35:32] Voice 10: comment any other uh

[0:35:37] Voice 4: questions from the

[0:35:40] Voice 4: or commentary to the

[0:35:41] Voice 4: trust in the town hall okay uh thank you very much then we'll uh move on in the agenda and the next

[0:35:52] Voice 4: thing on the agenda and i'm not sure why but my my main package agenda has become abrupt so i'm

[0:35:59] Voice 4: rebooting to see if i can find it again um is uh the local trust committee minutes of uh march

[0:36:07] Voice 4: the third um comments anything that to change in terms of the minutes or any comments from either

[0:36:15] Voice 4: no um i had one um now i don't have it open um it was on page 10 of the package not the minutes

[0:36:30] Voice 4: it's under 11.1 and there was a comment related to um uh some work we wanted to do i just wanted

[0:36:42] Voice 4: to make it clear in the minutes that that was that we intended to add that to the projects list

[0:36:49] Voice 4: um not just it doesn't seem to say that um it shows up in our on our uh frequently our

[0:36:56] Voice 4: our follow-up action list,

[0:36:57] Voice 4: but it didn't seem to show up in the actual,

[0:37:01] Voice 4: and I'm sorry, just give me a second.

[0:37:04] Voice 4: We'll see, I'll see if I can reopen them in my package.

[0:37:08] Voice 15: I'm sure something's corrupted all of a sudden this morning.

[0:37:11] Voice 15: Yeah,

[0:37:37] Voice 4: so it reads that the Gabriel Local Trust Committee

[0:37:39] Voice 4: had the formation of a heritage bylaw

[0:37:42] Voice 4: and protect heritage resources similar

[0:37:45] Voice 4: to the projects completed on South Pender.

[0:37:47] Voice 4: I just wanted to add the words, add as a project.

[0:37:52] Voice 4: or add to the

[0:37:52] Voice 15: projects list to download this again okay i'll just download it again online

[0:38:03] Voice 4: something's happening with my

[0:38:04] Voice 17: stick um

[0:38:06] Voice 4: okay so next on the agenda if there's nothing else

[0:38:10] Voice 4: we'll with that amendment we'll take the minutes approved as amended there are no resolutions

[0:38:16] Voice 4: without meeting and there are no apc minutes so the next item on the agenda is the follow-up

[0:38:22] Voice 4: action list dated march 30th 2022 um are there any comments or questions anything you first of

[0:38:30] Voice 4: all turn to the staff or anything you wish to flag related to the follow-up action no updates

[0:38:36] Voice 4: okay any questions from either of the trustees related to that no then we'll just take that for

[0:38:41] Voice 4: information so here we are at um bylaw number 311 the fees bylaw and a staff report and i think

[0:38:48] Voice 4: that's you regional planning manager power who's going to speak to that yeah so this is

[0:39:01] Voice 9: there's a model

[0:39:02] Voice 9: fee bylaw that was presented to the ltc there has been some requests to

[0:39:09] Voice 9: amend the model bylaw and the

[0:39:12] Voice 9: bylaw that's

[0:39:13] Voice 16: attached to the report is a reflection of the

[0:39:16] Voice 16: the LTC request and includes keeping a fee that that for housing, there's the model by

[0:39:30] Voice 16: one. So that is a real specific. There's also been a resolution about subdivision fees, those

[0:39:41] Voice 16: Those fees have been included in the draft by-law as well.

[0:39:46] Voice 16: There was a resolution

[0:39:48] Voice 16: that the trustees

[0:39:49] Voice 16: were asking about the subdivision fees

[0:39:53] Voice 16: and how the model fees came out, as I understand it.

[0:39:58] Voice 16: And

[0:39:59] Voice 9: the model fees by-law itself was

[0:40:03] Voice 9: developed with the regional planning committee

[0:40:06] Voice 16: and the financial planning committee.

[0:40:08] Voice 16: um the the process for that was that there was a period of time staff time was collected for each

[0:40:19] Voice 16: type of permit that we do and there was a calculation done of what the average

[0:40:24] Voice 9: cost of

[0:40:26] Voice 9: each of those current types was and the model fees were based

[0:40:30] Voice 16: on an average cost the fees for

[0:40:34] Voice 9: For subdivisions in particular, the fee that was recommended

[0:40:39] Voice 9: was less

[0:40:41] Voice 16: than the average cost of a subdivision.

[0:40:44] Voice 9: So

[0:40:44] Voice 16: Model P by Law had it at $1,000 for a subdivision review.

[0:40:50] Voice 16: The average cost is more like $1,700

[0:40:52] Voice 16: in terms of materials.

[0:40:57] Voice 16: It's my understanding that somewhere

[0:40:59] Voice 16: in between that calculation and discussions with the committees, the committees had a recommendation

[0:41:06] Voice 9: to make that fee lower than what the average cost was. I don't know what the rationale is.

[0:41:15] Voice 9: So the existing neighborhood fee for supplement funds is $1,300

[0:41:20] Voice 16: base fee, $1,300.

[0:41:22] Voice 16: dollars um it sounds like the trustees would like to retain that fee um and that's what the

[0:41:31] Voice 16: bylaw now reflects so i can answer any questions

[0:41:36] Voice 4: okay questions for trustees regarding the redraft

[0:41:40] Voice 4: out of the dialogue.

[0:41:41] Voice 16: Yeah.

[0:41:45] Voice 17: I mean, you

[0:41:49] Voice 3: take your-

[0:41:50] Voice 17: Right, on page 18, and it was pointed already

[0:41:53] Voice 17: about just a reference to say the silent dialogue

[0:41:55] Voice 17: in Piedra Nova, which is on the-

[0:41:59] Voice 17: 2

[0:42:00] Voice 15: .1.1.

[0:42:01] Voice 17: Yeah.

[0:42:02] Voice 17: And the other one is just the reference

[0:42:05] Voice 17: to the Procedure's Biological Concern at number 114, 1992.

[0:42:39] Voice 4: So yeah, so those are, I gather we took the template and moved it over.

[0:42:45] Voice 4: Yeah, basically.

[0:42:47] Voice 17: So I would move that those amendments be made.

[0:42:50] Voice 4: So wherever it says Thedas

[0:42:53] Voice 17: to be replaced with Gabriel and that in section 2211 that the reference to bylaw number 40, 1992 to be replaced with bylaw number 114, 1992.

[0:43:11] Voice 4: Okay, so that's fine. Did you get a little of that?

[0:43:15] Voice 16: so wherever it says fetus to be replaced with gabriel and in section 2.1 bylaw 40

[0:43:24] Voice 16: uh replaced with bylaw 114.1992 is it

[0:43:31] Voice 4: 1992 for bylaw number one okay okay so that's been a move

[0:43:36] Voice 4: you're happy with the recording and is there a second okay uh i don't

[0:43:41] Voice 1: have any comments on that

[0:43:42] Voice 4: Thank you for that.

[0:43:43] Voice 4: All in favor, so those amendments have been made.

[0:43:45] Voice 4: Is there any other commentary related to the fee by-law

[0:43:48] Voice 4: from either Trustee Colbert?

[0:43:50] Voice 4: No.

[0:43:51] Voice 4: Trustee Langerhuis?

[0:43:53] Voice 4: Okay, then.

[0:43:56] Voice 14: I'll move that Gabriel Ohio Local Trust Committee

[0:43:58] Voice 14: by-law number 311,

[0:43:59] Voice 14: slated as Gabriel Ohio Local Trust Committee

[0:44:01] Voice 14: fees by-law 2022, be read the first time,

[0:44:04] Voice 14: 2022 as amended.

[0:44:08] Voice 4: Is it 2022 or 2021?

[0:44:11] Voice 4: 21.

[0:44:12] Voice 9: and that's when it got started so that's how we get it got

[0:44:16] Voice 4: it so not like i said 21 hasn't ended

[0:44:19] Voice 4: okay that's been seconded any further discussion nothing all in favor that passes unanimously go

[0:44:25] Voice 4: ahead uh

[0:44:26] Voice 14: move the giveaway island local trust committee bylaw number 311 so this gave a lot of

[0:44:31] Voice 14: local trust committee fees by law 2021 as amended because a second time and

[0:44:35] Voice 4: seconded all in favor

[0:44:37] Voice 4: that passes unanimously uh

[0:44:39] Voice 14: i gave a lot of trust committee file number 311 side of this

[0:44:42] Voice 14: gave a lot of trust committee by law 2021 that's meant to be read a third time

[0:44:45] Voice 4: that's seconded

[0:44:48] Voice 4: he said that's what i did uh i'll call the vote all in favor and a

[0:44:52] Voice 14: fourth motion uh that gave a

[0:44:54] Voice 14: lot of island local trust committee by law number 311 side is gave a lot of gabriel's

[0:44:58] Voice 14: island local trust committee fees by law 2021 as amended before to the secretary of the island's

[0:45:03] Voice 14: trust for people by the executive okay

[0:45:05] Voice 4: so that's been seconded any further discussion i'll agree

[0:45:08] Voice 4: with that passage unanimously so that's uh thank you for that nothing further in relation to that

[0:45:14] Voice 4: thank you for your work uh on that and thanks to uh i know you sit on the regional planning

[0:45:19] Voice 4: committee thanks for the work for that just a point of information i'm curious how many of the

[0:45:24] Voice 4: northern local trust committees have now adopted uh the fees bylaw or some amendment i know that

[0:45:29] Voice 4: gambier has we have

[0:45:30] Voice 9: status as four

[0:45:32] Voice 9: it's four out of the seven four out of the

[0:45:35] Voice 4: seven so there's

[0:45:36] Voice 4: still three pending because part of our budget consideration was how many trust committees would

[0:45:41] Voice 4: actually adopt the recommendation so okay well that's a good start thank

[0:45:48] Voice 14: you for the work yes

[0:45:50] Voice 4: um so that's the end of uh 6.2 so now we're into

[0:45:55] Voice 4: the applications and referrals and the

[0:45:57] The

[0:45:57] Voice 4: first referral, because we've moved it up, we've agreed to move up the matter,

[0:46:03] Voice 4: is on page 117 of the package, and that is the Godfrey DBP and DP application.

[0:46:16] Voice 4: It's on page 117, and we have a planner test email from here

[0:46:24] Voice 4: are to who has written the staff report in relation to this and i see mr connor godfrey

[0:46:30] Voice 4: is all has joined us as well and uh mr godfrey will get the staff report we'll um then see if

[0:46:37] Voice 4: there's questions from the trustees uh for the stuff from the staff report then i'll turn to

[0:46:43] Voice 4: you to see if you have any uh commentary you wish to make in relation to that and the trustees may

[0:46:48] Voice 4: have some questions for you so over to you climate testament

[0:46:51] Planner Testemale: excuse me thank you chair rogers first

[0:46:54] Planner Testemale: i would like to acknowledge um with respect that i'm joining the meeting today from the treaty

[0:46:59] Planner Testemale: lands and traditional territories of the esquimalt uh laguan and songhees first nations um so just a

[0:47:06] Planner Testemale: quick summary of the report um this is for 595 wildward crescent which is lot 41 and is combined

[0:47:13] Planner Testemale: combined development permit and variance permit application.

[0:47:17] Planner Testemale: The scope of the proposed development on the property

[0:47:21] Planner Testemale: includes the completed installation of a culvert on the road right away,

[0:47:24] Planner Testemale: tree removal, construction of a gravel driveway,

[0:47:28] Planner Testemale: construction of a dwelling and a studio in the rear of the property

[0:47:31] Planner Testemale: and installation of a septic system.

[0:47:33] Planner Testemale: So the application is a result of a bylaw enforcement file

[0:47:38] Planner Testemale: where the culvert was installed in the fall of 2021

[0:47:41] Planner Testemale: 2021 with provincial approvals, but without obtaining a DP.

[0:47:45] Planner Testemale: So I'm just gonna first summarize

[0:47:47] Planner Testemale: the development permit application

[0:47:48] Planner Testemale: and then I'll go on to the variants.

[0:47:51] Planner Testemale: This, the DP has the purpose to provide measures

[0:47:56] Planner Testemale: for protection of the sensitive riparian

[0:47:59] Planner Testemale: and aquatic ecosystem and development

[0:48:02] Planner Testemale: within development permit area three,

[0:48:05] Planner Testemale: which is riparian areas.

[0:48:06] Planner Testemale: So specifically Epler Creek

[0:48:09] Planner Testemale: Creek is a provincial wrapper or riparian areas protection regulation stream and it's designated

[0:48:16] Planner Testemale: in DPA 3 and any development within 30 meters of the high water mark of the creek requires a DP

[0:48:21] Planner Testemale: and provincial approvals. So a wrapper assessment report by Chris Zamora of a

[0:48:28] Planner Testemale: sorry aquaparian environmental consultant was submitted with the application and that was

[0:48:34] Planner Testemale: approved by the province in the fall that established a streamside protection and

[0:48:39] Planner Testemale: enhancement area at 10 meters from the high water mark of epler creek where no buildings

[0:48:44] Planner Testemale: or structures are proposed uh within that area and the only exceptions for development are the

[0:48:50] Planner Testemale: encroachment of for the driveway and the culvert that's been put in place excuse me there's to be

[0:48:57] Planner Testemale: no tree removal within the spia and the balance and sorry within the balance of the dpa uh

[0:49:03] Planner Testemale: the removal of trees would be limited to 10 trees and the applicant reports that they did have an arborist assess the property and that person indicated that the trees were that were slated to be removed were showing signs of drought stress and that locating them too close to the proposed dwelling would pose a danger.

[0:49:22] Planner Testemale: further the applicant will be completing a bird nesting survey and before any tree removal and

[0:49:28] Planner Testemale: although the wrapper assessment report does not make recommendations for tree replacement

[0:49:34] Planner Testemale: they are proposing to plant trees around the house once the build is complete

[0:49:38] Planner Testemale: just a quick comment on of note there's a drainage ditch that's shown on figure three and it's also

[0:49:46] Planner Testemale: referenced in the wrapper report and I just want to emphasize that that is not a designated wrapper

[0:49:52] Planner Testemale: stream and it's not designated in the OCP of DPA3 and it does not connect to Epler Creek.

[0:50:02] Planner Testemale: The applicant is proposing to culvert the portions of that ditch under the driveway

[0:50:07] Planner Testemale: and otherwise will not alter the flow of the ditch which terminates in the orchard area that's shown

[0:50:13] Planner Testemale: on figure three. The wrapper assessment report makes recommendations for protection to maintain

[0:50:20] Planner Testemale: the SPIA which and sorry construction management recommendations which all meet the DPA guidelines

[0:50:29] Planner Testemale: for development that are found in the land use bylaw and all of those have been included as

[0:50:34] Planner Testemale: conditions in a DP. Just moving to the development variance permit application now that is to

[0:50:40] Planner Testemale: to consider a variance to the LUB requirement

[0:50:43] Planner Testemale: or land use bylaw requirement for any structure

[0:50:47] Planner Testemale: to be cited a minimum of 1.5 meters

[0:50:50] Planner Testemale: above the natural boundary of any lake stream or wetland.

[0:50:54] Planner Testemale: So the variance would permit the structures

[0:50:56] Planner Testemale: that here are specifically a septic tank pump chamber

[0:50:59] Planner Testemale: and the associated piping to be installed

[0:51:01] Planner Testemale: at an elevation less than 1.5 meters above a stream.

[0:51:05] Planner Testemale: And that's the same stream Epler Creek.

[0:51:09] Planner Testemale: specifically the rationale for the variance will enable this the infrastructure to be buried in a

[0:51:15] Planner Testemale: location on the property where it is logical for development for the development layout

[0:51:19] Planner Testemale: and that was has been determined by a certified septic installer

[0:51:25] Planner Testemale: and that application was filed with island health and under professional reliance so the proposed

[0:51:32] Planner Testemale: The proposed siting is distant from the DPA and on the property where the, sorry, on the property where the topography limits the ability to both bury the infrastructure while at the same time complying with the regulation.

[0:51:46] Planner Testemale: And that regulation mirrors provincial flood construction level guidelines, and that's for the protection of development from a flood hazard.

[0:51:55] Planner Testemale: So staff anticipates that the proposed variance will have little or no impact on neighboring properties, and the potential risk or damage from a flood incident on the specific development is a low impact, noting, and I would note also that the dwelling itself has been shifted from its original proposed location back on the property on higher topography in order that that meets the regulation and doesn't require variance.

[0:52:22] Planner Testemale: Notices were circulated to surrounding property owners within 100 meters.

[0:52:27] Planner Testemale: One letter was received which was posted online from the adjacent neighbor to the north

[0:52:32] Planner Testemale: and I also spoke to that neighbor at length yesterday and I've also had a conversation

[0:52:39] Planner Testemale: with a neighbor directly to the west. Although anecdotal, neither of those have expressed any

[0:52:45] Planner Testemale: specific objections or concerns about the development variance permit.

[0:52:50] Planner Testemale: Staff's recommendations are to issue Development Permit GB-DP-2022.1 and also to issue Development Variance Permit GB-DVP-2022.1.

[0:53:08] Planner Testemale: And those recommendations are supported as, first, for the Development Permit, the objectives and specific guidelines of the DPA have been met.

[0:53:17] Planner Testemale: all relevant recommendations of a professional report have been incorporated as conditions

[0:53:22] Planner Testemale: into the proposed dp and implementing and monitoring conditions in the dp will ensure

[0:53:28] Planner Testemale: protection of the sensitive riparian ecosystem and the recommendation for the dvp is supported

[0:53:34] Planner Testemale: as the structures are required the layout of development proximity to of the dpa and the

[0:53:40] Planner Testemale: property uh provide or pose limits uh on the ability to comply with the regulation there

[0:53:48] Planner Testemale: will be little or no impact uh from granting the variances and the variances do not challenge the

[0:53:54] Planner Testemale: intent of the regulation and lastly just one uh note of uh uh sorry a specific note of a typo or

[0:54:02] Planner Testemale: an error uh in the attachment one the property size was stated as point being 2.39 hectares

[0:54:09] Planner Testemale: where it is actually 0.16 hectares and that was as stated in the body of the report and

[0:54:15] Planner Testemale: there are alternatives given and that's my summary okay

[0:54:21] Voice 4: thank you planner test mail over to trustees

[0:54:24] Voice 4: questions for the planner before we move to the app and go ahead uh trustee yeah just uh

[0:54:32] Voice 17: 595 well i went to the dc assessment office at the site and i looked at agnes something

[0:54:38] Voice 17: it filters as five acre parcel and i think that the illegal description in all of the documents

[0:54:45] Voice 17: is accurate it's just the address the street address is it's different because there's no

[0:54:52] Voice 17: house yet on the property so that using no address to say a trader to a lot is my understanding so

[0:54:59] Voice 17: i got confused by that when i saw the six acres versus the half acre and so i don't think it

[0:55:06] Voice 17: doesn't affect the permit itself because the legal description is accurate but in the recording this

[0:55:11] Voice 17: refers to an address that you go to bc it's definitely this uh a different block block 39

[0:55:19] Planner Testemale: yeah as i said as i mentioned to to you um uh trustee i'm gonna do a job on your last name

[0:55:28] Planner Testemale: is it langer langer is longer is

[0:55:31] Planner Testemale: i apologize yeah so uh the applicant connor godfrey um

[0:55:35] Planner Testemale: They do also own the, I believe it's lots 38, 39, 40, and 41.

[0:55:42] Planner Testemale: So I could have been somehow tied to that, but you're correct that as long as the legal

[0:55:48] Planner Testemale: description that's provided on both the permits is accurate, that's what it would be applied

[0:55:54] Planner Testemale: to when it's applied at land title's office.

[0:55:58] Voice 17: Development permit, variant permit, I mean, I can understand it because it's a fairly

[0:56:02] Voice 17: level wide and if you have to be one and a half meters above if it's a little slow it would mean

[0:56:11] Voice 17: essentially you would have to have the septic system above ground which would mean the house

[0:56:16] Voice 17: would also have to be even higher in order to be able to lobby gravity feed to work so i can see

[0:56:22] Voice 17: the challenge in this application with the level of the lot just a comment

[0:56:29] Voice 15: questions uh trustee

[0:56:32] Voice 15: Yeah,

[0:56:32] Voice 14: it comes down to the septic and the topography, the property limits, limits the ability to comply with the regulations. So it's kind of a general question, maybe not specific to this, but what happens when you have a layout of a lot that doesn't allow it? In this case, it's further away from the development permit area. But what happens if you have a lot where you cannot build? For me, the answer is composting toilets. But I understand people have different development goals. But what happens in that case?

[0:56:56] Voice 14: so

[0:56:58] Planner Testemale: in the case where you're completely within a development permit area and where you can't

[0:57:03] Planner Testemale: meet the guideline that's right

[0:57:05] Planner Testemale: yeah well so it i mean as you well i shouldn't say as you know but

[0:57:11] Planner Testemale: any development within a development permit area particularly here riparian it does require at

[0:57:17] Planner Testemale: this point approval from the province and they will make accommodation uh for the specifics if

[0:57:23] Planner Testemale: If they're, I mean, essentially you're talking about a situation, I believe, which would sterilize it from being able to undertake that kind of development.

[0:57:31] Planner Testemale: There may be alternatives looked at. Sorry, I've never run into that situation before.

[0:57:36] Planner Testemale: But yeah, if there's no ability to keep it outside of the DPA, they could look at alternative measures.

[0:57:45] Planner Testemale: measures but I guess that also conflicts somewhat with the with BC building code and its ability to

[0:57:52] Planner Testemale: accommodate for alternate systems so it probably would be less straightforward than maybe it sounds

[0:57:59] Planner Testemale: it

[0:58:00] Voice 14: almost always is

[0:58:01] Planner Testemale: yeah thank

[0:58:03] Voice 4: you that's all your only questions yeah

[0:58:06] Voice 17: okay go ahead just one

[0:58:10] Voice 17: one other question the report talks about the house being moved back five meters is the mapping

[0:58:16] Voice 17: that's attached to the development permit reflective of that or not yes

[0:58:20] Planner Testemale: yeah so it that the map that

[0:58:23] Planner Testemale: you're seeing is figure three in the staff report is also in both both applications is accurate so

[0:58:31] Planner Testemale: yeah and it was moved back five meters and as i said that's to to raise the because the the actual

[0:58:37] Planner Testemale: regulation that's in question here or that's being asked to vary also applies to the underside of any

[0:58:43] Planner Testemale: habitable structure and um in order to not include that and ensure that that is is higher they did

[0:58:50] Planner Testemale: move it back where the topography rises from epler creek up towards the rear of the property so okay

[0:58:57] Voice 4: thank you and

[0:58:58] Planner Testemale: i

[0:58:58] Voice 4: just have one question i just wanted to you said indicated you spoke to uh

[0:59:03] Voice 4: I gather a couple of the neighbors, and one of them is the gentleman who wrote to us a couple

[0:59:12] Voice 4: of days ago, related, who didn't object, but just sort of raised a couple questions. So that's the

[0:59:17] Voice 4: individual you're talking about.

[0:59:18] Planner Testemale: Yeah, so both, in both circumstances, they were just had questions,

[0:59:24] Planner Testemale: were seeking clarity, and some, and I've, and both of them also didn't have knowledge that

[0:59:31] Planner Testemale: necessarily because they received the dvp application through notification they didn't

[0:59:37] Planner Testemale: know that a dp was also part of the application so they i just it was mostly conversation about

[0:59:43] Planner Testemale: clarifying it and as i say anecdotally neither of them expressed any concerns

[0:59:49] Voice 4: right i must say as a as a general rule um the fact we don't notify on dps causes me

[1:00:00] Voice 4: some angst and and i know that for example on galliano we passed a resolution to if they were

[1:00:07] Voice 4: combined that they would get notification of both and uh anyway just because we see this sometimes

[1:00:14] Voice 4: that dps come development permit applications come in and there's no notification to the

[1:00:20] Voice 4: to uh the neighbors uh related to that and and while most of the rules and regulations are set

[1:00:28] Voice 4: out in advance conditions the the uh it would be i i do wonder why we do that anyway i'm not going to

[1:00:36] Voice 4: belabor

[1:00:37] Planner Testemale: yeah it's not it's not a requirement in the legislation and it we do see as you're speaking

[1:00:42] Planner Testemale: we are saying we do see more and more combined applications and i think that what you're saying

[1:00:47] Planner Testemale: is wise because the the one question or the questioning particularly from the neighbor to

[1:00:51] Planner Testemale: the north was well isn't this a riparian creek and i said i had to obviously enlighten them that um

[1:00:58] Planner Testemale: there was a DP and that was I think that was going to be his concern anyway so yeah

[1:01:03] Voice 4: and that is

[1:01:04] Voice 4: until it appears on our agenda package because nobody the neighbors may not know that there's

[1:01:11] Voice 4: a DP application as in this case but anyway it causes

[1:01:15] Voice 4: it's something that I think the regional

[1:01:16] Voice 4: planning committee or somebody could take a look at because I think that and I

[1:01:21] Voice 18: know it's just

[1:01:21] Voice 4: another administrative step and a burden but it strikes me as a concern Mr

[1:01:25] Voice 18: Garland or no sorry

[1:01:26] Voice 4: Mr. Godfrey,

[1:01:27] Voice 4: I was thinking of the hockey team last night. Mr. Godfrey,

[1:01:32] Voice 4: do you wish to address

[1:01:34] Voice 4: the local trust committee? We're not

[1:01:37] Voice 18: hearing a lot

[1:01:37] Voice 4: of concerns, but the trustees may have some

[1:01:40] Voice 4: questions for you.

[1:01:42] Voice 1: Yes, if you have any questions, I would love to answer them. This project, you

[1:01:46] Voice 1: know, we're really excited about it. My parents live on that property. And my brother also lives

[1:01:51] Voice 1: on Gabriel Island. And so my wife and I, we want to be able to come and visit and spend excited

[1:01:56] Voice 1: periods of time there we're both artists and uh we're just really excited that this could

[1:02:01] Voice 1: potentially happen for us and that we could be spending time on gabriela so okay thank you very

[1:02:07] Voice 1: much do either

[1:02:07] Voice 4: of the trustees have a question yes go ahead i

[1:02:10] Voice 14: have a question um it's a question

[1:02:11] Voice 14: i've asked because almost every dvp we've dealt with in three plus years has been for work that's

[1:02:16] Voice 14: already completed so and i've always taken up to you to ask a question when you first did the

[1:02:22] Voice 14: culvert in the roadway of way um were you aware that there were any permit obligations um no i

[1:02:29] Voice 1: sincerely apologize like what happened was that we were the uh biologist said okay you need to

[1:02:35] Voice 1: get this section 11 uh permit and submit now for it and then when that came back as approved

[1:02:41] Voice 1: they basically he basically said okay you're good to put the culvert in so the biologist

[1:02:46] Voice 1: biologist, we at that time, we just didn't know what the process was. And so when the biologist

[1:02:51] Voice 1: said, you're good to go, we thought, oh, okay, we're good to go. And the installer didn't mention

[1:02:57] Voice 1: anything about it. It was really just ignorance on our part. So, you know, I'm not sure what could

[1:03:02] Voice 1: be done to like, you know, when someone comes in, and they don't know the process, you know,

[1:03:07] Voice 1: it was just one of those things, we didn't know what we didn't know. And so we were definitely

[1:03:11] Voice 1: we knew that a development permit would have to be done to build the house but we just didn't

[1:03:16] Voice 1: realize that moving the soil with the culvert would be would require the development permit

[1:03:21] Voice 1: in hindsight it's obvious because it's the stream but we did follow all the biologists

[1:03:26] Voice 1: recommendations for that so that's why we sort of thought we were we thought we were sort of

[1:03:30] Voice 1: adhering to like what was needed to be done but yeah we did it when it was dry we followed all

[1:03:37] Voice 1: of all the recommendations but does that make sense that does

[1:03:40] Voice 1: and there is a professional

[1:03:41] Voice 14: reliance model and often we don't have to be experts in all this stuff and there's all these

[1:03:45] Voice 14: you know interconnected pieces um in terms of the septic have you considered other options

[1:03:50] Voice 14: given the topography of the law if you don't mind me asking that question well

[1:03:54] Voice 1: we're using that like

[1:03:56] Voice 1: for the septic field itself we're using a very small one so that's going to be located up outside

[1:04:01] Voice 1: of the riparian area and the development permit area it's just the tank and the tank is really

[1:04:07] Voice 1: just like the reason we were hoping that we could do this is because the tank is like a shielded

[1:04:12] Voice 1: metal object that in the event of a flood wouldn't incur any damages because a it's buried b it's

[1:04:19] Voice 1: designed to hold water so uh we haven't considered any other options because um you know composting

[1:04:26] Voice 1: toilets i'm not sure what we would do for for showers and and water that uh use in the kitchen

[1:04:32] Voice 1: so that the alternative would be quite difficult for us i think

[1:04:36] Voice 4: thank

[1:04:38] Voice 1: you very much okay

[1:04:40] Voice 4: any questions okay uh thank you very much godfrey we're now going to discuss it amongst ourselves

[1:04:46] Voice 4: thank you very much do

[1:04:48] Voice 1: i disconnect from the okay thank you sorry was there something else

[1:04:51] Voice 4: oh

[1:04:52] Voice 1: i just wanted to do i disconnect from the meeting now or do

[1:04:54] Voice 4: you know you can stay on

[1:04:55] Voice 4: it until we're done okay thank

[1:04:57] Voice 4: you and then you uh you can leave if you wish um um i'll move i'll

[1:05:04] Voice 14: move the motions and then we can discuss okay it's just

[1:05:06] Voice 14: uh that the gabriel island local trust

[1:05:08] Voice 14: committee approved issuance of development permanent gbdp 2022.1 got freed and i guess

[1:05:15] Voice 14: do it together two and two that the gabriel gabriel island local trust committee approved

[1:05:20] Voice 14: issuance of development permitting dbp 2022.1 are

[1:05:25] Voice 4: you okay with them being oh oh i'm hearing uh the

[1:05:29] Voice 4: the planner saying you can't do that

[1:05:31] Voice 16: no but the second resolution you need to insert the word

[1:05:34] Voice 16: variance between development and permits oh

[1:05:36] Voice 4: it's not in there it says

[1:05:38] Voice 4: development permit it should

[1:05:39] Voice 4: say development variance permit okay

[1:05:41] Voice 14: go back in time and act like i said there thank you

[1:05:45] Voice 4: are you okay with dealing with them together okay are you seconding those notions

[1:05:50] Voice 3: okay

[1:05:50] Voice 4: uh discussion been moved and seconded both motions yeah

[1:05:55] Voice 14: i asked my questions and again

[1:05:58] Voice 14: i just have i've got to point out the number of times we've dealt with things that are already

[1:06:02] Voice 14: built you know we're sort of doing it retroactively and that's part of the

[1:06:05] Voice 14: knowledge of new developments as we move through the

[1:06:08] Voice 14: build out map we're moving to lots that are

[1:06:10] Voice 14: i have more complications and that's the reason often than being developed now but

[1:06:14] Voice 14: But I think the trust has to go beyond the political messaging and get down to really having people understand where they're living and what the rules are and how to apply and get them help.

[1:06:25] Voice 14: Because this is costly, doing it retroactively, it's costing the environment, it's costing the process.

[1:06:30] Voice 14: I understand that every time I've asked, I've understood the reasons that the person, that it happened in the first place, but there are things the trust can do better to communicate that.

[1:06:37] Voice 14: So my dad worked for Bell Canada, call before you dig.

[1:06:40] Voice 14: you know if you're going into the ground call somebody who's out it really does save you time

[1:06:45] Voice 14: in this case i think they're doing their best with the top of topography and their development

[1:06:49] Voice 14: plans to uh be as uh less intensive as possible so i will be supporting both okay trustee liners

[1:06:56] Voice 4: you wish to say anything no

[1:06:58] Voice 14: i just think they've done what they could

[1:07:00] Voice 17: do in terms of the

[1:07:07] Voice 17: uh put forward

[1:07:10] Voice 4: okay then i'll call the vote uh i have nothing to add to what the two of you have

[1:07:15] Voice 4: said so i'll call the vote all in favor so both those motions passed unanimously thank you mr

[1:07:21] Voice 4: godfrey uh your your dvp and your dp will issue um development variance permit and development

[1:07:27] Voice 4: permit we'll issue um in the near future thank you uh planner uh just a mail for your report

[1:07:34] Voice 4: i don't think there's anything else related to that thanks very much thank you i know thanks

[1:07:39] Voice 4: very much thanks uh we're now we're going to go back in the agenda then to uh 7.1 uh and we have

[1:07:49] Voice 4: the first of two um uh temporary use permits before us is there someone here for mckay and

[1:07:56] Voice 4: in the audience with us today yes over there yes okay thank you uh so what we'll do is we'll

[1:08:04] Voice 4: receive the the staff report related to this and then i'll come to you and ask you for any

[1:08:11] Voice 4: commentary or input that you may have related to the staff report and then we'll and we may

[1:08:16] Voice 4: have questions for you to go on if you don't wish to you don't have to but the opportunity

[1:08:21] Voice 4: be given to you to speak to the staff reporting okay thank you uh so i saw uh planner was there

[1:08:31] Voice 4: and could we yes okay you've got it up thanks thank you way ahead of me as always uh over to

[1:08:38] Voice 4: you teresa okay

[1:08:39] Voice 2: just testing my volume can you hear me or louder i can hear you

[1:08:42] Voice 4: uh can everybody

[1:08:44] Voice 4: you can't hear i'm seeing someone shake their head no you can't hear you're okay okay thanks

[1:08:51] Voice 2: Okay, so this TUP application is located at 1016 Berry Point Road, the north end of Gabriola

[1:09:01] Voice 2: in the SRR zone. It's the result of an active bylaw enforcement file, which was opened in

[1:09:07] Voice 2: February 2020. It's a 700 square foot, one bedroom dwelling, and the draft permits for a maximum of

[1:09:16] Voice 2: two guests at any given time and staff have proposed an expiry date of March 31, 2023

[1:09:24] Voice 2: for the reasons outlined in the staff report.

[1:09:28] Voice 2: Staff consider the application to meet the TUP guidelines for CVR use and are recommending

[1:09:33] Voice 2: approval of the permit as drafted.

[1:09:36] Voice 2: Following circulation of the public notice, staff received two pieces of correspondence

[1:09:41] Voice 2: related to this application, which the LTC has already received by email, and copies have been

[1:09:48] Voice 2: posted to the application website as well. Firstly, on March 30th, Wayne Mercier, who voiced

[1:09:55] Voice 2: objection to the issuance of this TUP, suggesting that it would better serve as a monthly rental.

[1:10:01] Voice 2: The applicant has noted that they cannot have a long-term tenant in this space, as they require

[1:10:07] Voice 2: the flexibility for family when they come to stay on island. And secondly, April 2nd from Bruce

[1:10:14] Voice 2: Thompson, who noted that he would like to see the CVR regulations changed to allow for bed and

[1:10:20] Voice 2: breakfast use in accessory buildings. Staff note that bed and breakfasts are currently permitted

[1:10:27] Voice 2: as home occupations on Gabriola as an accessory use in a number of zones, including SRR and LRR,

[1:10:33] Voice 2: are but not in accessory buildings and they do need to be operated by at least one person who

[1:10:39] Voice 2: permanently resides on the property so in this case the applicant does not reside on the property

[1:10:45] Voice 2: but an adjacent one and the CVR use would be within the principal dwelling not an accessory

[1:10:51] Voice 2: building. Staff also note that presently there are only three active CVR TUPs on Gabriola

[1:11:02] Voice 2: The first of which will expire at the end of July, and that one has already been renewed once, so it can't be renewed again or used for short-term rental without a successful rezoning.

[1:11:13] Voice 2: Each of the other two legal rentals allow for a maximum of six guests for a total of 12 vacationers on Gabriel at any given time.

[1:11:25] Voice 2: and i believe you just said that the applicant is present today and i know that he would like

[1:11:30] Voice 2: the opportunity to speak to his application and in particular regarding the proposed expiry date

[1:11:36] Voice 2: of the permit thank you okay

[1:11:41] Voice 4: thank you just one question of clarification you mentioned the two

[1:11:45] Voice 4: letters you did get there's also in the package two letters in support for the application that

[1:11:49] Voice 4: i correct make sure that that was correct

[1:11:51] Voice 2: yeah that

[1:11:52] Voice 4: that was noted as well okay before we turn

[1:11:55] Voice 4: to the applicant for uh at this stage i'll just ask if trustees have any questions for the planner

[1:12:01] Voice 4: uh

[1:12:02] Voice 14: i'm still kind of working through the bread and breakfast things if you've got two adjoining lots

[1:12:08] Voice 14: you're using one and that that's the principal resident people you live next door you know that

[1:12:13] Voice 14: could use some massaging but i don't have any specific questions to this

[1:12:16] Voice 14: Mr. Gates, Trustee Langer has

[1:12:18] Voice 18: questions for the planner.

[1:12:21] Voice 17: This is a game of the previous statement I made.

[1:12:24] Voice 17: The address, I looked at the address.

[1:12:33] Voice 17: When I looked at BC Assessment, it just shows a large property.

[1:12:36] Voice 17: I guess what's happening is that BC Assessment, it doesn't keep all those subdivisions.

[1:12:42] Voice 17: I don't know how big they are because there's four lots which are now subdivided, is my understanding,

[1:12:48] Voice 17: any based on our map but the pc assessment just shows one lot um for that whole property all

[1:12:55] Voice 17: properties so i'm good i'm just not gaining i just always check an easy assessment

[1:13:00] Voice 17: i don't know if there's some delay there so that's absolutely not

[1:13:05] Voice 17: trying to figure out where we're located um one of the questions i got is around this

[1:13:13] Voice 17: this applies to both PUPs, is the property insurance,

[1:13:17] Voice 17: do we get that?

[1:13:18] Voice 17: When do we get that?

[1:13:19] Voice 17: And when is that submitted?

[1:13:21] Voice 4: You're about to speak to a planner on the screen

[1:13:26] Voice 4: who presented the report,

[1:13:27] Voice 4: unless she needs some assistance.

[1:13:30] Voice 4: Did you hear the question?

[1:13:31] Voice 2: I, no, it was too quiet.

[1:13:34] Voice 17: Well, it relates, and it's in both PUPs.

[1:13:38] Voice 17: It says that they will provide a copy of the property insurance.

[1:13:42] Voice 17: is that is that included now or is that being brought forward later um

[1:13:48] Voice 2: that at any point um

[1:13:52] Voice 2: prior or after issuance that's just a standard thing that we've included in tups in the past as

[1:13:57] Voice 2: well okay

[1:14:00] Voice 17: thank you and the i see it's it's a sister only well on the property and so it's

[1:14:06] Voice 17: district district rainwater collection and i guess use of their personal water supply in the times of

[1:14:13] Voice 17: shortage is

[1:14:16] Voice 15: that a comment

[1:14:17] Voice 17: or a question it's sort of a comment i think more than a comment

[1:14:21] Voice 17: than anything else um yeah at this point okay so

[1:14:28] Voice 4: um thank you uh and the the applicants are are uh

[1:14:33] Voice 4: uh here um does someone gather one of you yes and what your name is

[1:14:38] Voice 6: sorry

[1:14:44] Voice 16: okay yes

[1:14:45] Voice 6: that's

[1:14:46] Voice 4: fine i just i'm sorry i couldn't

[1:14:49] Voice 4: understand go ahead you wanted to

[1:14:51] Voice 4: so

[1:14:51] Voice 7: this is your opportunity

[1:14:52] Voice 4: to speak to i understood you wanted to speak to the report

[1:14:55] Voice 7: sorry it's not the reason i raised my hand just to find a safe question okay

[1:15:04] Voice 4: but i heard from

[1:15:05] Voice 4: the planner that that you may wish to speak to this this is your opportunity to say whether

[1:15:10] Voice 4: you agree or disagree with the staff report and the recommendations before we then turn to

[1:15:16] Voice 4: discussing the staff report so this is your opportunity to

[1:15:19] Voice 7: speak and we may have some

[1:15:20] Voice 4: questions for you if you

[1:15:21] Voice 4: if you sure

[1:15:22] Voice 7: i was um curious about the expiry date because i've been

[1:15:27] Voice 7: told when i applied this case i've been told it will be uh expiring from the daily issue to the

[1:15:33] Voice 7: three years and then i i noticed that by this time it's efficient right um

[1:15:44] Voice 4: i can talk to that

[1:15:46] Voice 4: uh the staff is recommending we we have an expiry date of one year because uh and as i understand

[1:15:54] Voice 4: the staff report it's because the application has been you you've been continuing to rent it

[1:16:01] Voice 4: yeah so while

[1:16:02] Voice 4: the obligation was pending and they said well you've had the benefit of the two years

[1:16:07] Voice 4: till now and therefore that's two of your three years so

[1:16:11] Voice 7: that's the recommendation right right so

[1:16:13] Voice 7: So I understand that point, but what I could suggest is maybe I can have three years without

[1:16:18] Voice 7: with the condition I put in the application.

[1:16:20] Voice 7: Sorry,

[1:16:20] Voice 3: can you just say that again?

[1:16:21] Voice 3: I just heard some noise.

[1:16:22] Voice 3: That's okay.

[1:16:23] Voice 3: Go ahead.

[1:16:24] Voice 3: I

[1:16:24] Voice 7: can suggest that in that case, I understand the point of view that I would trust as me.

[1:16:30] Voice 7: So I could suggest that maybe three years from issue A in the condition I put in the

[1:16:37] Voice 7: Because I realized if

[1:16:39] Voice 7: I, if I dis-expire next year, spring, it means as soon as I get the,

[1:16:44] Voice 7: almost as soon as I get this issue one, I have to reapply, because it expires very soon.

[1:16:50] Voice 7: So I have to apply before the expiry date, right?

[1:16:53] Voice 7: So all my paperwork starts again, right

[1:16:55] Voice 7: away, almost right away.

[1:16:57] Voice 7: So I can really see the point.

[1:16:59] Voice 7: So I can see the three years from now on, with conditions normally renewed.

[1:17:03] Voice 7: How's that?

[1:17:04] Voice 7: Well,

[1:17:05] Voice 4: let me ask the planners, and we have three of them here, but my understanding would be that the ability to renew is in the legislation, not something that we can dictate in advance.

[1:17:20] Voice 4: But I could be wrong.

[1:17:21] Voice 4: Planner Mahigwa, do you want to speak to that?

[1:17:23] Voice 2: That's correct.

[1:17:24] Voice 2: Because the Local Government Act allows you to apply for renewal, that's not a condition that we can put in the permit.

[1:17:32] Voice 4: Right.

[1:17:33] Voice 4: um so the point is is that if we gave if we did that we couldn't tell you you can't renew

[1:17:39] Voice 4: um as i understand it i'm seeing nods from all the planners that's my understanding

[1:17:44] Voice 4: the other thing that i would say is is that a renewal i mean maybe i'll let one of the speakers

[1:17:51] Voice 4: the planners speak to this but a renewal the ones that i've seen tend to be much simpler and i think

[1:17:57] Voice 4: there's a much lower fee for a renewal too is that right planner manigua correct

[1:18:02] Voice 2: um often in renewals

[1:18:04] Voice 2: you can reuse some of the reports and in this case it would be much more recent than if in it was

[1:18:10] Voice 2: like a three-year um amount of time so we'd have to look at the time of application which what the

[1:18:17] Voice 2: planner thinks um would be adequate but like maybe just confirming that the um building still meets

[1:18:25] Voice 2: needs fire code at the time of application.

[1:18:28] Voice 2: So fire code, water perhaps is still there.

[1:18:34] Voice 2: But you wouldn't need to probably provide

[1:18:38] Voice 2: another home inspection or occupancy permit,

[1:18:40] Voice 2: stuff like that would carry over.

[1:18:44] Voice 4: Presuming all of the conditions of the TUP

[1:18:46] Voice 4: had been satisfactorily matched

[1:18:50] Voice 4: during the course of the next year.

[1:18:51] Voice 16: Correct, yeah.

[1:18:52] Voice 4: Trustees, do you have questions for the applicant?

[1:18:54] Voice 4: Are

[1:18:55] Voice 14: you still doing agricultural activities on any of these lots? Like there's an orchard, right? There's still a

[1:19:01] Voice 7: lot of agricultural

[1:19:07] Voice 14: growing apples.

[1:19:21] Voice 14: I'll just note that a lot of times a temporary use permit for a short-term vacation rental

[1:19:25] Voice 14: when there's agricultural is it helps with

[1:19:29] Voice 14: an application there's one on North Road that

[1:19:32] Voice 14: has that but again because

[1:19:33] Voice 14: of the way it's self-related but that's my only question.

[1:19:37] Voice 14: trustee langer has questions for the african

[1:19:39] Voice 17: yeah no just my understanding is on the renewal

[1:19:42] Voice 17: my understanding is on the renewal up to a three

[1:19:46] Voice 4: -year renewal you can yeah uh again i think

[1:19:50] Voice 4: we can probably shorten that time period if in some circumstances but that a tup renewal

[1:19:55] Voice 4: can again be for another three years and that's that's what the planner was talking about after

[1:20:01] Voice 4: that I never heard that you'd have to rezone but I thought you could reapply again but perhaps I'm

[1:20:07] Voice 4: wrong about that but then the renewal can be for another three up to another three days and then

[1:20:14] Voice 17: after that they would have to reapply for a new activity so essentially somebody gets a permit

[1:20:22] Voice 17: they get one renewal and after that is when they would have to re they could reapply for a new

[1:20:30] Voice 17: mean permit potentially because the permit that the permit itself expires at the end of the second

[1:20:38] Voice 17: term

[1:20:38] Voice 4: that's my understanding although i heard the plan would say that we'd have to they'd have to

[1:20:43] Voice 4: rezone and i i

[1:20:45] Voice 2: don't know the answer i don't know yeah the rezoning has been my understanding too

[1:20:49] Voice 2: and perhaps um planners upanets or cower can elaborate on that what

[1:20:57] Voice 14: would you rezone to to

[1:20:58] Voice 14: allow a short-term vacation on a permanent basis

[1:21:02] Voice 16: commercial or something but i i think without

[1:21:07] Voice 16: pulling up the temporary permit legislation because i'm connected to this i can't do that um

[1:21:13] Voice 16: that the renewal you don't get opportunities for additional renewals you have to reapply

[1:21:20] Voice 16: correct so i think that is the case but we can confirm that i'll just say

[1:21:28] Voice 4: that that's what i've

[1:21:29] Voice 4: seen on other islands is that once the sixth or whatever year once the second renewal is expired

[1:21:37] Voice 4: it starts all over again and it has always been one of the reasons why why do we call it a

[1:21:43] Voice 4: temporary use permit when i've seen them renewed about three two or three four times not renewed

[1:21:50] Voice 4: but reapplied for again afterwards um it's a tool the tool we have when we don't have licensing

[1:21:57] Voice 4: and singability and we don't have uh and the only other alternative is to rezone as to rezone to

[1:22:04] Voice 4: something like commercial vacation or something like that i don't know what it could be but

[1:22:08] Voice 4: okay anyway

[1:22:09] Voice 18: do you understand

[1:22:10] Voice 4: the answer i'm sorry this sounds a little complicated but

[1:22:13] Voice 4: what the answer was to your point was we can't put a condition we won't give you a renewal and

[1:22:20] Voice 4: if we grant this so it doesn't work for us to say three years and then we won't renew

[1:22:25] Voice 4: new. And the other answer was that a renewal tends to be a simpler and less costly experience

[1:22:33] Voice 4: than I, but, and I'm not saying that's what we're going to do because we haven't made a decision,

[1:22:38] Voice 4: but that's sort of, but thank you for your proposal. If you have anything else you'd like

[1:22:42] Voice 4: to say.

[1:22:43] Voice 7: I understand you can put that condition, right? So you cannot put that kind of specific

[1:22:47] Voice 7: condition. I wish I understand. So maybe I can suggest another one then. Three years,

[1:22:52] Voice 7: they're back counting, which I can expect that they're going to back count to three years back

[1:22:56] Voice 7: instead of from now on to three years, right? So if we go to three years, two years back

[1:23:00] Voice 7: almost like that. So they're counting from the date I got the first

[1:23:04] Voice 7: complaint letter from the... I think from the application.

[1:23:08] Voice 7: Yeah, yeah. I

[1:23:09] Voice 7: could suggest maybe, that was February

[1:23:12] Voice 7: 2002, which is shortly afterwards pandemic come and nothing really

[1:23:16] Voice 7: going on that time anyway. And then I couldn't apply

[1:23:20] Voice 7: apply the top permit right away because of all the closure

[1:23:23] Voice 7: and the social distancing, this and that.

[1:23:25] Voice 7: So at the end, I applied November, 2020.

[1:23:29] Voice 7: So why don't we can count from there,

[1:23:32] Voice 7: from the time I applied to the three years from then.

[1:23:37] Voice 7: In that case, this is probably December, 2020.

[1:23:42] Voice 7: Instead of March 20th, 2020.

[1:23:44] Voice 7: I

[1:23:45] Voice 4: understand your point.

[1:23:46] Voice 4: Do you want to respond to that at all?

[1:23:48] Voice 4: or is your recommendation just in the staff report?

[1:23:55] Voice 2: I think it would stand,

[1:23:57] Voice 2: I guess my question would be

[1:23:59] Voice 2: after receiving notification from bylaw enforcement,

[1:24:02] Voice 2: why did they continue to rent

[1:24:04] Voice 2: and while they were getting their application ready?

[1:24:10] Voice 2: Yeah.

[1:24:13] Voice 4: Okay, thanks.

[1:24:14] Voice 4: We'll talk about that unless,

[1:24:15] Voice 4: are there any other questions for the applicant

[1:24:17] Voice 4: before we go into our own discussion?

[1:24:20] Voice 4: okay so this is if there's nothing else that thank you for your suggestions if there's nothing else

[1:24:24] Voice 4: we will now decide what to do uh trustees

[1:24:27] Voice 4: how would you like to proceed um

[1:24:29] Voice 14: given time i'll put

[1:24:30] Voice 14: the motion forward for discussion just uh that the gabriel iron local trust committee approved

[1:24:34] Voice 14: the issuance of temporary use permit gvt 2020.2 subject to the conditions imposed by the permit

[1:24:41] Voice 14: with an expiry date of march 31st 2020.

[1:24:45] Voice 4: there are a secondary for at least for discussion

[1:24:47] Voice 4: So that motion is on the table.

[1:24:52] Voice 4: Trustees, what's your view related to the suggestion

[1:24:58] Voice 4: from the applicant and the community support

[1:25:04] Voice 4: and lack of support for this?

[1:25:06] Voice 4: So over to you, Trustee Longbrook.

[1:25:08] Voice 17: Well, my first question is I didn't quite

[1:25:11] Voice 17: what the suggestion was.

[1:25:13] Voice 17: The suggestion was-

[1:25:14] Voice 17: I'm hearing

[1:25:14] Voice 17: it so bad.

[1:25:15] Voice 17: Yeah,

[1:25:16] Voice 4: the suggestion was,

[1:25:17] Voice 4: is that we make it an expiry of December 2023, because that's when they applied for the TEP.

[1:25:25] Voice 4: The planner has indicated, however, that the first time they were notified was in March of 2020 about the issue with the rental, and that it should be from the date that the bylaw enforcement commenced.

[1:25:39] Voice 4: that's but the suggestion from the from the applicant was to move it

[1:25:43] Voice 4: to the date effectively the date of the application for the temporary use permit

[1:25:48] Voice 4: but my understanding is that this has continued to operate before the complaint since the complaint

[1:25:54] Voice 4: and continually uh do you have anything you'd like to say about the motion um

[1:26:00] Voice 17: mixed feelings

[1:26:03] Voice 17: about i mean

[1:26:04] Voice 17: i can understand that the duration that uh it took you know for the application

[1:26:10] Voice 17: um yeah yeah the application outside of the term i don't have a lot of questions i can see it being

[1:26:21] Voice 17: the response from the one person about it being rented full-time is it is a valid point but i

[1:26:32] Voice 17: think that's something that we can't impose at this point in time that the ocp says we allow for

[1:26:38] Voice 17: it so we can't use the argument of well it shouldn't be rented short term it should be

[1:26:45] Voice 17: rented long term if that's the case we want to take that position and we need to then use we

[1:26:51] Voice 17: take that out that's the challenge with with that position and i know there's arguing in the

[1:26:59] Voice 17: community about the short-term education that was taken away in some cases it probably does

[1:27:05] Voice 17: in other cases it may not anymore

[1:27:07] Voice 10: it's

[1:27:09] Voice 17: a challenge this is for us okay

[1:27:11] Voice 16: so

[1:27:12] Voice 17: that so that's where

[1:27:15] Voice 17: as a struggle with you know people i find put forward the position about being friends

[1:27:21] Voice 17: i do like the fact that from problems right next door so it's not an issue of somebody living

[1:27:29] Voice 17: in elsewhere in the province having a caretaker or a manager that can become an issue so that's

[1:27:38] definitely bothering me i do appreciate the fact

[1:27:42] Voice 15: that the owner is there to deal with issues

[1:27:44] Voice 15: okay thank you uh trustee yeah

[1:27:49] Voice 14: i think the broader issues of short-term vacation rentals and how

[1:27:52] Voice 14: they're treated they also need to be changed but again that's we're dealing with individual

[1:27:56] Voice 14: individual applications here. It should be noted as the Corsi and Insula process showed

[1:28:02] Voice 14: the bylaw enforcement and compliance manager spoke there, there are a broad number of enforcement

[1:28:08] Voice 14: actions going on. My concern is with the ones that are continuing to operate with no permit

[1:28:13] Voice 14: and that's many of them. So if you've gone through the process

[1:28:17] Voice 14: of actually doing the

[1:28:18] Voice 14: permit under the current conditions, you actually have to be thanked in some ways. I do agree

[1:28:23] Voice 14: with the term limit however of basically to march of next year given that it's continuing to operate

[1:28:29] Voice 14: so i'll be voting in favor of the uh the motion that's put forward by staff right

[1:28:34] Voice 4: and uh i concur

[1:28:36] Voice 4: in all of that um i i do yeah i mean it is helpful to me that there were at least two immediate

[1:28:45] Voice 4: neighbors that supported this application it sounds like they they are they are confident

[1:28:51] Voice 4: that the operators will do it and will operate.

[1:28:54] Voice 4: So that, I mean, if there had been problems

[1:28:55] Voice 4: with this particular rental,

[1:28:58] Voice 4: I think we would have heard about it

[1:28:59] Voice 4: and there haven't been any indication of that.

[1:29:02] Voice 4: So, but I also agree with what you say about the term.

[1:29:05] Voice 4: And I frankly, now that you've been through the process,

[1:29:09] Voice 4: I would just say, I think you will find the renewal

[1:29:13] Voice 4: far less onerous and problematic than,

[1:29:16] Voice 4: or time consuming than you would have.

[1:29:19] Voice 4: so i'll be voting in favor as well do you have anything further from the other the trustees

[1:29:23] Voice 4: okay anything further and i do agree this discussion will say it's a bigger discussion

[1:29:30] Voice 4: about what impact uh uh short-term vacation rentals have on long-term um rentals uh because

[1:29:39] Voice 4: there are a certain segment of those long-term rentals that are of those sorts of which will

[1:29:43] Voice 4: never become long-term rentals and that's those are individual circumstances but as a pattern

[1:29:48] Voice 4: you see that you create some if you eliminate the short-term vacation that's what we experienced

[1:29:53] Voice 4: so if there's nothing further i'm going to call the vote all in favor the motion is

[1:30:00] Voice 4: okay so that passes unanimously thank you for suggestions

[1:30:02] Voice 4: um and i ask you to work with staff

[1:30:05] Voice 4: when the renewal comes up in a year thank you very much and your tup is granted um i suggest

[1:30:12] Voice 4: even though it's uh 10 after 12 we deal with the next application and uh and then we'll perhaps

[1:30:19] Voice 4: take a a break before we move into the remainder um so the next application is mcnally and i did

[1:30:27] Voice 4: see someone put up their hand hi nice to see you um so we'll use a similar process that we just

[1:30:33] Voice 4: used we'll get the staff report uh we'll ask questions of clarification and then we'll come

[1:30:38] Voice 4: to you for any commentary that you might have

[1:30:40] Voice 10: okay thank

[1:30:41] Voice 4: you very much uh and so we're just

[1:30:43] Voice 4: for anybody watching we're now page 89 of the application process um sorry of the package uh

[1:30:51] Voice 4: And over to you, Planner May.

[1:30:54] Voice 2: Thank you.

[1:30:55] Voice 2: So this second TUP is located at 1599 Hess Road in the LRR zone, large rural residential.

[1:31:04] Voice 2: The permit as drafted would allow for two bedrooms and a maximum of four guests at any given time and would be active for three years from the date of issuance.

[1:31:14] Voice 2: staff consider the application to meet the tup guidelines for cvr use and are recommending

[1:31:20] Voice 2: approval of the permit as drafted we did receive one piece of correspondence related to this

[1:31:25] Voice 2: application again march 30th from wayne mercier who again voiced objection to the issuance of

[1:31:33] Voice 2: this tup suggesting again it would better serve as a monthly rental and again in this case the

[1:31:39] Voice 2: applicant has stated that they can't rent this space long term as they require it for occasional

[1:31:45] Voice 2: family use and they are present today at the meeting if the ltc has questions for them as well

[1:31:52] Voice 2: thank you okay

[1:31:56] Voice 4: uh thank you for the staff report uh uh questions for the planner related to this

[1:32:02] Voice 4: application uh trustee uh

[1:32:05] Voice 14: no no questions

[1:32:08] Voice 4: trustee longer has any questions for the planner on this

[1:32:11] Voice 4: application

[1:32:11] Voice 17: no i already asked a question about property insurance application and then i'm

[1:32:18] Voice 17: assuming as well that if there is a renewal coming forward that there would be a requirement to have

[1:32:22] Voice 17: some uh decision from the waters a decision in the water sustainability act if you call one well

[1:32:29] Voice 17: certain things to construct two new dwellings that is i've heard some mixed reports what that

[1:32:39] Voice 17: sometimes it's needed sometimes it's gone to have a permit for that under the water hospitalization

[1:32:44] Voice 17: act because a well to one dwelling is okay but once you go well to two dwelling now you're into

[1:32:51] Voice 17: i can't remember the term but it's it's a water provider license just to be aware of that so

[1:33:03] Voice 17: So, and again, I'm not sure what the water sustainability staff decide on that.

[1:33:11] Voice 17: It may well be dependent on the use.

[1:33:19] Voice 4: So that's a question is for the planner, perhaps, is water on this particular property.

[1:33:29] Voice 4: I didn't see the well issue.

[1:33:30] Voice 4: issue um were there any conditions related to the and I'm sorry I should know having read the

[1:33:36] Voice 4: permit is regarding water and getting a license yeah

[1:33:40] Voice 17: there is a section uh five

[1:33:43] Voice 4: and the permit

[1:33:45] Voice 17: says it's

[1:33:45] Voice 4: a responsibility to a landowner to

[1:33:47] Voice 17: obtain any required authorization under the

[1:33:50] Voice 17: water sustainability Act or any other relevant legislation returning pertaining to groundwater

[1:33:55] Voice 17: water that's a standard clause

[1:33:58] Voice 4: right right okay so we don't we don't put that in as a

[1:34:04] Voice 4: precondition just to flag that that's their responsibility yeah

[1:34:07] Voice 17: but that type of renewal

[1:34:09] Voice 17: that would be a question i don't think that would be fine right

[1:34:13] Voice 4: and my understanding is

[1:34:17] Voice 4: it's limited i will acknowledge uh that if you're running uh an stvr or a cvr as we sometimes call

[1:34:25] Voice 4: to call it on Capriola, that that is considered

[1:34:29] Voice 4: to be a commercial enterprise that requires a water license.

[1:34:32] Voice 4: That's my understanding of the way the act works.

[1:34:38] Voice 4: But again, I'm not an expert by any standards.

[1:34:42] Voice 4: Okay, any other

[1:34:43] Voice 4: questions for the planner

[1:34:44] Voice 4: before I turn to the app?

[1:34:47] Voice 4: No, so over to you, if you have anything you'd like

[1:34:50] Voice 4: to comment, this is your opportunity to comment

[1:34:53] Voice 4: about the staff report uh or any of the you don't have to but if you're happy with the staff report

[1:34:59] Voice 4: you can just indicate that so well

[1:35:02] Voice 15: we're we're we're happy with the staff report my name is

[1:35:05] Voice 15: michael my wife cindy um we're happy with the staff report it's a lot more involved than i

[1:35:13] Voice 15: ever would have dreamed that it would have been but we we want to make things above board because

[1:35:21] Voice 15: we understand that there's very little input on that screen the water the water situation is a

[1:35:30] Voice 15: very it's a high producing oil it was when it was when it was drilled and tested it was like eight

[1:35:39] Voice 15: gallons a minute it's a minimum six gallons a minute we have a water rainwater collection system

[1:35:48] Voice 15: for the new house that we live in and but we we decided to to install a potable water line

[1:36:01] Voice 15: from the existing well to a cistern at the new location because we wanted to have

[1:36:11] Voice 15: a backup to rainwater collection. For example, if it was a particularly dry season, we want to be

[1:36:21] Voice 15: able to use some of our well water. So as it turned out, most of the rainwater collections

[1:36:32] Voice 15: we're going to be using for irrigation, but it's also there as a backup. It's treated water that

[1:36:43] Voice 15: we're looking at uh using this house primarily for family members that come and visit

[1:36:52] Voice 15: most of them are in ontario with a few in the okanagan few in calgary

[1:37:00] Voice 15: so we didn't we didn't want to make it a full-time permanent long-term to at least be able to get

[1:37:12] Voice 15: some use either one as a short-term vacation well but primarily it's it's there for the family

[1:37:25] Voice 15: yeah it was a it was fairly involved process the septic tank septic system tested at the

[1:37:34] Voice 15: at the gas towns for the vacation well it's going to be we have a separate septic system for the

[1:37:41] Voice 15: new house that we send you another and we had to go through the uh the water testing as well

[1:37:48] Voice 15: i'm sure we had adequate flow there for four bedrooms in total two bedrooms at the guest house

[1:37:59] Voice 15: and the two bedrooms so we plan to be there uh at any time that it's that it's uh

[1:38:09] Voice 15: the new short-term vacation we're able to hear people there um cindy and i just live 300 feet

[1:38:31] Voice 14: I just want the information you're providing to guess if this is approved is good. I think

[1:38:36] Voice 14: it's maybe one of the first times LOLs ever appeared on this trust agenda. But I just

[1:38:41] Voice 14: want to note that it has to be posted, especially the water conservation piece. It's not just

[1:38:46] Voice 14: a binder. It has to be posted where the water is used. A lot of times people don't access

[1:38:54] Voice 14: So I think that's a really important piece of this that especially you're dealing with people coming from different water situations accessible water services that they understand that this is a different way to do it. There's an educational piece to that. So otherwise, the information provided.

[1:39:07] Voice 14: So I think you said you have seven, seven kids. I don't see this being used very often.

[1:39:14] Voice 14: But

[1:39:14] Voice 4: thank you for the time you put into the application.

[1:39:22] Voice 17: to the fact about the water situation right because it is as i understand it as well with

[1:39:28] Voice 17: the potential for a license it's for liability because it requires basically providing water to

[1:39:35] Voice 17: the public that's why that potentially could impact i think that it may

[1:39:39] Voice 17: It may depend on how frequently you review it as it actually gives you what I've heard.

[1:39:52] Voice 4: My only question was, and I think I know the answer to this, was that I noted that the occupancy permit for the place that you now close was from 2004.

[1:40:03] Voice 4: And I wondered whether it had ever been part of the long-term rental pool.

[1:40:08] Voice 4: But I gather that you lived in this place and have now built a new residence on the same block recently.

[1:40:14] Voice 4: so it was never part of the long-term.

[1:40:17] Voice 4: Okay, that was my only,

[1:40:19] Voice 4: that was the only thing I wondered about

[1:40:21] Voice 4: as I was reading the application,

[1:40:23] Voice 4: because I don't like things

[1:40:25] Voice 4: going out of the long-term predatory.

[1:40:27] Voice 4: Any other questions before we move to our discussion?

[1:40:30] Voice 4: I thank you, unless there's something further

[1:40:33] Voice 4: we're going to now put a motion.

[1:40:35] Voice 4: I'd also

[1:40:36] Voice 15: like to add that it was a pleasure working

[1:40:39] Voice 15: with Theresa, she's very helpful in terms of guiding.

[1:40:42] Voice 15: She's

[1:40:43] Voice 4: smiling, by the way.

[1:40:45] Voice 15: thank you very

[1:40:46] Voice 4: much for okay she's nodding as well i wish we get i wish

[1:40:51] Voice 4: one of these days we're going to get a big screen and put it up a hologram

[1:40:57] Voice 4: okay so is there a motion

[1:40:58] Voice 14: yeah i'll look for the motion of the discussion that the

[1:41:00] Voice 14: gabriel and local trust committee approved the insurance of temporary use permit gptp

[1:41:05] Voice 14: 20.2.2 for three years from the date of issuance subject to the conditions imposed

[1:41:11] Voice 14: posed by the is

[1:41:12] Voice 4: there a second okay any further discussion beyond what we've already said

[1:41:16] Voice 14: no i think the general discussions are the same as the last one

[1:41:20] Voice 4: sir nothing i'll call the vote

[1:41:23] Voice 4: all in favor thank you very much so that that will issue shortly and and uh good luck with um

[1:41:31] Voice 4: all the children coming together you should charge them and then it will be

[1:41:37] Voice 4: thank you thank you uh thank you uh i know that it's uh 12 22 and we have to i know we started

[1:41:44] Voice 4: a bit late with our next item on the agenda is the gabriella housing society and i'm i'm uh

[1:41:50] Voice 4: a bit sad because i see that ian scott scott is online but i'm gonna propose that we break

[1:41:58] Voice 4: now for half an hour come back at uh so i let's say at five to one and we'll carry on from that

[1:42:08] Voice 4: okay uh so we'll break and come back and start that thank you very much and i am conscious of

[1:42:15] Voice 4: the fact we need to be out of this hall at 3 30 um on the dot so we'll be we'll keep moving and i

[1:42:23] Voice 4: have to be on a ferry at 4 30 or whatever it is um okay thanks very much i'll just i'm just going to

[1:42:30] Voice 4: not going to shut down the broadcast. I'm just going to stop the video.

[2:14:58] Voice 10: what page is this one

[2:15:02] Voice 16: it's the addendum

[2:15:09] Voice 3: it's the addendum yeah it's the addendum includes this

[2:16:02] Voice 16: okay

[2:17:22] Voice 4: shall we uh let's uh

[2:17:29] Voice 4: uh just let that happen make noise for the those watching welcome back folks that are watching the

[2:17:44] Voice 4: live stream uh or subsequently watching the recording this is the continuation after a

[2:17:52] Voice 4: short lunch break at the gabriel local trust committee uh coming meeting in the um in the

[2:18:00] Voice 4: community hall okay gabriel uh and the traditional territories of the salish people who are happy to

[2:18:06] Voice 4: be here um so welcome back we're now at 7.4 of the agenda which is for folks that are um that may be

[2:18:17] Voice 4: watching or anybody else this actually the the updated staff report was posted as an addendum

[2:18:25] Voice 4: um i think on monday or tuesday i'm not sure which day uh and it's the beginning of that

[2:18:32] Voice 4: addendum which is where we are and planners of which you're going to speak to us

[2:18:38] Voice 16: thank you so

[2:18:39] Voice 16: to clarify there is not an updated staff report we did not have time to prepare that we have only

[2:18:45] Voice 16: updated the addendum is to the attachment to which is proposed by law 308

[2:18:55] Voice 16: substance of the content is exactly the same as what was in the original staff report what's

[2:19:00] Voice 16: different is the extent of the track changes that are shown in this version in the addendum

[2:19:06] Voice 16: versus what you had and so the original staff

[2:19:09] Voice 16: report was based on a much smaller number of

[2:19:12] Voice 1: track changes

[2:19:12] Voice 16: since the commentary around the fact that you provide changes which does not reflect

[2:19:17] Voice 16: the scope of the changes that you're being asked to consider today so I understand that

[2:19:22] Voice 16: haven't had sufficient time perhaps to review this uh in terms with that lens that all the

[2:19:28] Voice 16: track changes that are presented are new since the last time you saw this bylaw which was in 2021

[2:19:35] Voice 16: in march so that's over a year ago uh so the applicant uh nancy heather pierce is here as

[2:19:43] Voice 16: well as a consultant for the applicant for the gabriel housing society and scott i just want

[2:19:47] Voice 16: to make sure since i don't have zoom that you actually have uh great so they are available

[2:19:54] Voice 16: today to assist in clarifying the extent of the track changes the rationale for them but i can

[2:20:01] Voice 16: concur with the staff report recommendation which doesn't change that we are confident that the

[2:20:07] Voice 16: housing agreement bylaw can proceed the first reading is amended second reading

[2:20:12] Voice 16: as for the staff occupations and that the bylaw has been vetted by both our and the

[2:20:23] Voice 16: applicant's solicitors extensively over the course of this last year so our apologies

[2:20:29] Voice 16: for presenting a muddled report and attachments that don't clearly articulate what those changes

[2:20:37] Voice 16: are but we hope that this version will help answer any questions that you have today to work through

[2:20:43] Voice 16: it and give you confidence that those amendments have been vetted by all parties uh in order to

[2:20:50] Voice 16: move forward so your specific questions around those track changes are what we're likely going

[2:20:55] Voice 16: to try to focus on today with the time that you have in this

[2:20:59] Voice 16: meeting i understand that

[2:21:00] Voice 16: there's still quite a few uh applications and other pieces to your agenda but this does require

[2:21:04] Voice 16: require your questions around your confidence and comfort level with those changes before

[2:21:12] Voice 16: you give reading. So we'd like to carve out enough time for that today. Otherwise, we'd

[2:21:17] Voice 16: have to consider some alternative options as to how you want to proceed with this if

[2:21:21] Voice 16: there isn't sufficient time for that. So just wondering in terms of the best way to start

[2:21:28] Voice 16: and work through this, because the staff before, as I said, didn't

[2:21:32] Voice 16: accurately reflect or provide

[2:21:33] Voice 16: the analysis on the changes but we can go through it piece by piece if you'd like I can pull it up

[2:21:42] Voice 16: on the screen here or we can just start with your more generic questions if needed and I guess I

[2:21:49] Voice 16: should preface also the element around us to name a consultation that the applicant has also been

[2:21:55] Voice 16: doing since last year as well so the update is the same in the staff report that they have

[2:22:02] Voice 16: and continue to work with the nation to determine what that final wording of a prioritization

[2:22:08] Voice 16: statement might look like for the housing agreement because there is no imminent building

[2:22:13] Voice 16: of those units at this current time there's nothing preventing the applicant from coming back

[2:22:17] Voice 16: to the local trust committee once they've got that wording finalized to request an amendment

[2:22:23] Voice 16: this is an administrative bylaw so you are able to make those changes without

[2:22:29] Voice 16: out having to go through what the typical entire rezoning process would go through in the legislative

[2:22:34] Voice 16: review and it would likely be a minor not minor in terms of the potential implications but in terms

[2:22:42] Voice 16: of the scope of the changes to the housing agreement that they would be text amendments

[2:22:47] Voice 16: that you could consider at a future date and likely well in advance of an application to

[2:22:54] Voice 16: be in construction of those units of the intent so that piece is still ongoing and despite the fact

[2:23:01] Voice 16: that there is uh not confirmation of what the preferred learning would be today we are still

[2:23:07] Voice 16: recommending advancement so that the entire application can move towards completion with

[2:23:12] Voice 16: the housing agreement piece being pulled out for reconsideration if and when the applicant and the

[2:23:18] Voice 16: nation come back with specific wording that they'd like to consider so i will do my best to answer

[2:23:25] Voice 16: questions ian scott is the expert in the pick and substance of the housing agreement changes

[2:23:33] Voice 16: but we're here to sort of work together to help you however you'd like to proceed today

[2:23:39] Voice 16: with this particular piece

[2:23:41] Voice 14: could we hear from the housing society

[2:23:45] Voice 14: just in the context before we get into specific questions and then

[2:23:50] Voice 14: that'd be that'd be my

[2:23:51] Voice 14: that'd be my preference did you

[2:23:54] Voice 16: hear that for them to go

[2:23:55] Voice 14: through all of it not

[2:23:56] Voice 17: all the changes just

[2:23:57] Voice 14: a general where we're at a general statement

[2:24:00] Voice 14: yeah of the negotiations of the college as

[2:24:02] Voice 16: long as it's specific to just the closing yes and so

[2:24:05] Voice 4: one of these things i need to caution everybody about of course is that 306 and 307 are post

[2:24:11] Voice 4: public hearing so they're not on our agenda for discussion in terms of submissions or commentary

[2:24:17] Voice 4: Terry from I should have said that at the town hall but nobody did speak to them

[2:24:23] Voice 4: and so we we can't reconsider any information from the public we can hear from staff

[2:24:30] Voice 4: etc we could talk about the housing agreement which is 308 vital I should say bylaw 308

[2:24:38] Voice 4: but the but 306 307 we cannot we can't have any further submissions related to that

[2:24:48] Voice 4: So, generally, we haven't heard from the Housing Society pretty much for a year.

[2:24:57] Voice 4: I think we've all at one time or another sort of asked for a brief update as to where we're at.

[2:25:04] Voice 4: And basically, the answer we got was, well, we're working on the housing career.

[2:25:09] Voice 4: We became aware, of course, that you were unsuccessful in your original funding application,

[2:25:13] Voice 4: which is but other than that we haven't really had an update so if you'd like to make it either

[2:25:20] Voice 4: you or Mr. Scott hello Mr. Scott nice to see you again I don't know is there some sort of general

[2:25:29] Voice 4: question and you might want to address the issue as to for me anyway as to where we're at time-wise

[2:25:37] Voice 4: and why it would be important for the housing society other than you don't like loose ends

[2:25:42] Voice 4: and you don't want something hanging out forever given that you haven't come haven't finished with

[2:25:47] Voice 4: your discussions with the tsunami get why would it be important for us to sign off on the other

[2:25:52] Voice 4: pieces of the housing agreement now so i'm just putting that on the table but other than that

[2:25:56] Voice 4: give us your general context i don't know who wishes to speak um

[2:25:59] Voice 5: so i'll ask ian scott to speak

[2:26:01] Voice 5: to that and particularly what you just said here what you wrote up why it's important to

[2:26:08] Voice 16: um proceed with our request today so can you go ahead it's

[2:26:23] Voice 4: a little bit faint uh we're turning

[2:26:26] Voice 4: the mic up we're turning the speaker up a little bit um

[2:26:31] Voice 12: is that a bit better a little bit better

[2:26:35] Voice 12: it's

[2:26:36] Voice 15: a little bit better

[2:26:37] Voice 12: yeah i'm i'm turning the volume up on my microphone to see if that

[2:26:42] Voice 12: helps you at all okay we'll we'll sit quietly and listen all right um so i'll i'll speak loudly

[2:26:50] Voice 12: least hopefully it uh it works for you guys um thank you for having us uh in terms of addressing

[2:26:55] Voice 12: your your question um yes the the application was unsuccessful to bc housing um the general report

[2:27:04] Voice 12: on that is there were about uh 2500 units applied for from the vancouver island region

[2:27:11] Voice 12: and about 500 were awarded. They are going to be issuing another call for proposals soon

[2:27:20] Voice 12: where we expect about another 1,000 to 1,500 units to be awarded to Vancouver Island.

[2:27:27] Voice 12: So we'll still be in a competitive scenario. The goal of the Housing Society is to get this

[2:27:33] Voice 12: project to be truly shovel ready by the time we submit that updated application to give the best

[2:27:40] Voice 12: chance of success and that means any approvals finished as well as getting

[2:27:48] Voice 12: all the way to building permit ready plans part of our approvals that we need

[2:27:54] Voice 12: to do subsequent to final consideration of the zoning is a development permit

[2:27:59] Voice 12: application which obviously we can't proceed with until the those other

[2:28:04] Voice 12: zoning components are finished so that's really for us the time pressure is to

[2:28:09] Voice 12: keep this process moving and the significant work that we have to do with with our consultants as

[2:28:16] Voice 12: well as wanting to do some public you know engagement related to final designs that would

[2:28:22] Voice 12: show up in front of you as part of a development permit process in terms of the last year as

[2:28:29] Voice 12: As Planner Sonia Zupanek said, we were mostly working with Jamie Dubina and the Islands Trust lawyers.

[2:28:39] Voice 12: We went through, I think, three or four different lawyers from your side, which complicated matters for us all.

[2:28:47] Voice 12: And what you see before you as a result of those discussions, I can speak to sort of what I think are the four main substantive changes,

[2:28:56] Voice 12: changes um you know that are there in front of you besides just cleaning up the wording uh based on

[2:29:02] Voice 12: the advice of the of the lawyers but maybe I'll pause and see if you'd like me to to sort of just

[2:29:07] Voice 12: address those four substantive issues in the housing agreement at this time that's sort of

[2:29:12] Voice 4: what you had in mind uh Trustee Colbert or if you want to have something just yeah

[2:29:16] Voice 14: the four overview

[2:29:18] Voice 14: areas would be excellent so

[2:29:21] Voice 12: um again I think you need to look at this housing agreement in relation

[2:29:26] Voice 12: to the information we provided to you before in regards to our priorities and how this fits into

[2:29:32] Voice 12: the overall effort to deliver affordable housing. But the substantive changes are in part response

[2:29:39] Voice 12: to the discussion we had together back in March of 2021. So Section E has been rewritten,

[2:29:48] Voice 12: but has the same intent, which is that there is a goal of 30% of the units to be,

[2:29:54] Voice 12: no more than 30% of the units to be market affordable and if our fund

[2:30:00] Voice 12: who is really the body that impacts what percent of the units are at a lower rent versus a

[2:30:06] Voice 12: higher rent in terms of the level of funding and what their funding program looks like,

[2:30:11] Voice 12: if they require us to have more than 30%, then we would bring that information to the

[2:30:18] Voice 12: trust committee so that you're aware of why we have to make that change.

[2:30:22] Voice 12: The lawyers helped us with that section.

[2:30:25] Voice 12: The second substantive component relates to, again, a question that was raised, I think,

[2:30:33] Voice 12: by Trustee Laingrise at the meeting in March of 2021, and that first one I was talking

[2:30:39] Voice 12: about was Section E. This next one is Section CI, where we've expanded a little bit what

[2:30:47] Voice 12: was meant by other criteria specified by an affordable housing funder, just to give some

[2:30:53] Voice 12: examples of the kind of things that that do come up and are related to it as well you'll note that

[2:31:00] Voice 12: under the current bc housing community housing fund program which is our primary target there

[2:31:06] Voice 12: ends up really being three income limits that affect the people moving into the housing the

[2:31:11] Voice 12: deep subsidy units are those on fixed income and the limit is approximately 20 odd thousand there's

[2:31:17] Voice 12: the housing income limits that affect 50 of the units on the rent year to income uh criteria and

[2:31:24] Voice 12: those are hills or housing income limits that are updated year to year across the province

[2:31:29] Voice 12: and then the third income criteria relates to the affordable market units and those are the bc

[2:31:34] Voice 12: housing low and moderate income limits if we get some funding through cmac for the project they

[2:31:42] Voice 12: have criteria related to accessibility units and a priority to those kind of tenants so that those

[2:31:48] Voice 12: are some of the other criteria um the uh there's a new section c4 civ um that was originally implied

[2:32:01] Voice 12: and all the lawyers as well as uh staff and ourselves agreed were implied which is that

[2:32:07] Voice 12: this doesn't the housing agreement was never intended to prevent uh the housing society as

[2:32:13] Voice 12: a landlord to go through the normal landlord-like processes of credit checks or having house rules

[2:32:18] Voice 12: like whether you can smoke on the property or pets and so that clause is just added in for an

[2:32:23] Voice 12: abundance of caution that there's no uh misunderstanding that that they have that

[2:32:27] Voice 12: right as a landlord and the owner and the owner responsible for uh paying the mortgage uh which

[2:32:34] Voice 12: is where credit check credit and reference checks come in and then if you look at schedule b it

[2:32:41] Voice 12: seems like it's a major edit to it but it's more just a lot of cleaning up the language the two

[2:32:47] Voice 12: substantive changes are in items are in the second list of priority tenants item four and five one

[2:32:56] Voice 12: One relates to the length of time

[2:33:02] Voice 12: someone is living away from Gabriela

[2:33:04] Voice 12: who might be eligible to move in

[2:33:07] Voice 12: through further discussion

[2:33:08] Voice 12: at the housing society board level.

[2:33:10] Voice 12: It was suggested, we're suggesting that changing it

[2:33:14] Voice 12: from three to seven is appropriate

[2:33:16] Voice 12: and trust staff didn't have a concern with that.

[2:33:20] Voice 12: And then the second was a bit of an oopsie,

[2:33:22] Voice 12: which was that the first priority

[2:33:24] Voice 12: are to tenants or to people who are currently living on Gabriola and have been there for at

[2:33:31] Voice 12: least a year, people who are working on Gabriola for at least a year. And I'm just doing those

[2:33:38] Voice 12: two numbers by memory because I'm reading a different set of notes. So my apologies if I

[2:33:43] Voice 12: was incorrect there. But what we didn't do in the second priority list was allow somebody who is

[2:33:49] Voice 12: living less than a year on Gabriola to be considered, even though there are people who

[2:33:53] Voice 12: have just gotten a job or who used to live on gabriola and are moving back and this was just

[2:33:58] Voice 12: we just realized it

[2:33:59] Voice 12: was a bit of an oversight on our part so those are the those are the

[2:34:03] Voice 12: substantive changes and as uh planner zupanek said um after we finished the discussions uh

[2:34:10] Voice 12: and uh conversations with the name of first nation um we'd look to bring back a further um you know

[2:34:16] Voice 12: post-approval amendment related to prioritizing some of the units to members of Sineamuk.

[2:34:25] Voice 12: We need to work through them on what exactly do we mean by that, which of the units exactly,

[2:34:31] Voice 12: and what are our processes for working together.

[2:34:33] Voice 12: We've had those initial discussions, but we have more to do and want to keep this process moving.

[2:34:39] Voice 12: But there's a strong commitment there from the Housing Society to work with the nation.

[2:34:45] Voice 12: and i think it's a really exciting possibility that we will be you know collaborating in there

[2:34:50] Voice 12: and and hopefully um as part of a longer term relationship building exercise that there'll be

[2:34:56] Voice 12: further and potentially more deeper collaborations in the future

[2:35:00] Voice 12: so uh with that happy to take any specific questions trustees how do

[2:35:11] Voice 4: you want to see

[2:35:14] Voice 4: see as I said I just flagged for the trustees you won't know this right I did flag for staff that

[2:35:26] Voice 4: you know getting this we haven't seen this for a year no and and I did flag for staff that there

[2:35:35] Voice 4: is a the development of housing agreements and other islands that looks quite different than this

[2:35:42] Voice 4: um and uh so i was a little surprised but how do you want to proceed do you want to

[2:35:49] Voice 4: ask questions of mr strott do you want how do you want i'll turn it over to you to decide how

[2:35:55] Voice 4: you'd like to proceed at this point um trustee colburn or trustee landres do you have something

[2:36:00] Voice 4: you'd like to or questions for staff or how would you like to proceed yeah

[2:36:04] Voice 17: i had some question

[2:36:06] Voice 17: go

[2:36:07] Voice 4: ahead go ahead did you take your mask yeah thanks i'm sorry i mean i hate to tell people

[2:36:11] Voice 4: take their mask off but i can't hear you yeah

[2:36:15] Voice 17: one of the questions i had was actually addressed is

[2:36:19] Voice 17: this about the first nation are they satisfied with the bylaw going forward knowing that it

[2:36:27] Voice 17: would be potentially up to them to discuss with the housing society and the trust committee for

[2:36:34] Voice 17: change after the fact

[2:36:36] Voice 16: my understanding is that the applicant has advised the nation

[2:36:41] Voice 16: of the fact that this is on the agenda for consideration of amendments and further reading

[2:36:47] Voice 16: they were advised for that and then i returned to the applicant in terms of

[2:36:52] Voice 16: i was not at that meeting whether or not there was any discussion about concerns related to you

[2:36:58] Voice 16: possibly considering those changes i was not made aware of any that's why we

[2:37:02] Voice 16: he presented the report as is but the applicant can possibly address that if there isn't further

[2:37:09] Voice 17: because once you're

[2:37:10] Voice 17: signed once you once you approve the bylaw that

[2:37:13] Voice 17: it's fixed right until

[2:37:15] Voice 17: the trust cleaning and the housing society agreed to a change so the negotiations after the fact

[2:37:23] Voice 17: between misnaming on the housing society could come to a stalemate potentially you know like

[2:37:30] Voice 17: if it's just 25

[2:37:31] Voice 17: that's fairly simple fairly easy to incorporate but

[2:37:37] Voice 16: the the opportunity to specify

[2:37:39] Voice 16: what that wording looks like they haven't gotten to that point yet so i think in uh theory that

[2:37:46] Voice 16: agreement has been made but the actual wording where everybody agrees on what the specificity

[2:37:52] Voice 16: is for the housing agreement has not been determined that's going to take a little bit

[2:37:56] Voice 16: more time so the timing of this and their process aren't dovetailing and so the request has been to

[2:38:03] Voice 16: move forward in the in the event of course we know that there's no construction occurring

[2:38:08] Voice 16: on the site yet there's a

[2:38:10] Voice 16: funding in place so that there is time for the housing agreement

[2:38:14] Voice 16: to come back to the local trust committee with those final changes including potentially whether

[2:38:19] Voice 16: or not the funder is different than what is anticipated there might be other changes as

[2:38:24] Voice 16: well which apparently uh wouldn't be uncalled for in a in a housing project such as this where the

[2:38:31] Voice 16: housing agreement does need to be revisited once the funder has actually come in and determine

[2:38:36] Voice 16: how this is going to actually play out the ltc might be asked for for small

[2:38:40] Voice 16: we consider that process to be difficult even though we're not

[2:38:47] Voice 4: if i could just rephrase trustee langer eyes this question and see if i because i want to

[2:38:53] Voice 4: to make sure i understand the answer is let's say we go ahead um and on the understanding that we

[2:39:01] Voice 4: could come back and amend it but the synemic and the housing society don't come to an understanding

[2:39:07] Voice 4: for whatever reason um and we can't because we can't reopen the housing agreement without the

[2:39:16] Voice 4: like and yet there might be some information the synemic that we would want we might want to see

[2:39:21] Voice 4: and the housing agreement that it would be too late if we passed it and uh because if the housing

[2:39:27] Voice 4: society didn't agree is that your question i mean i i just wanted and i i i hadn't thought about but

[2:39:34] Voice 4: that's the way i understand this question is if we march down the road without this dynamic and then

[2:39:39] Voice 4: we get to the end and this dynamic goes but this is what we wanted in here and we go oh that would

[2:39:44] Voice 4: have been a good idea but we've already signed it off and the housing society doesn't agree with it

[2:39:49] Voice 4: we've already got a housing agreement uh that's under biological past and if we've adopted it

[2:39:55] Voice 4: and all the rest i guess that that's the concern about getting too far ahead anyway i i just wanted

[2:40:00] Voice 4: you to have a chance to address that or the applicant to address that's what i understand

[2:40:04] Voice 4: the case is

[2:40:05] Voice 4: questioned to be or

[2:40:07] Voice 17: whether it's an able comfortable with this approach knowing that

[2:40:10] Voice 17: that potential is down the road right so

[2:40:13] Voice 16: that means i can't answer because i wasn't

[2:40:15] Voice 16: the meeting and I don't have time for that. Maybe we'll start with that once. Let's start.

[2:40:19] Voice 16: So the applicant comfortable sharing to some extent. Yeah.

[2:40:25] Voice 5: So perhaps I can speak to that

[2:40:27] Voice 5: since I was at the meeting with Barry Locher, one of our other board members. So at the

[2:40:39] Voice 5: meeting there was no concern expressed about the proposed sort of dual track that we're proposing

[2:40:49] Voice 5: there was a lot of support for um continued to be interested in the in the request that they

[2:40:57] Voice 5: gave us a year ago and so their interest is still strong and their process is that after we left

[2:41:07] Voice 5: they would discuss recommendations to take to the council about our request to support

[2:41:15] Voice 5: this two-part and particularly our request that we meet continue to meet

[2:41:21] Voice 5: and have further discussions about the details of this request for um for working out the

[2:41:29] Voice 5: wording for the housing agreement so i don't know what their um recommendations were after

[2:41:36] Voice 5: we left the meeting since that meeting on march 28th i certainly wrote to say thank you for the

[2:41:43] Voice 5: meeting i'm wondering if you can let me know what the recommendations were and i haven't heard back

[2:41:51] Voice 5: from the nation i did send them a note the other day to say as the briefing note stated it is on

[2:41:59] Voice 5: the agenda today and here's the link for the meeting but i haven't heard back but i can't

[2:42:05] Voice 5: say that there was it was very positive and we definitely intend to proceed um and uh so that's

[2:42:17] Voice 5: a bit of response from does that help your question or help your what your question was then

[2:42:23] Voice 5: i

[2:42:24] Voice 17: guess to a degree it does an element i think there's an element that we're working together

[2:42:33] Voice 17: the Housing Society of San Diego on a process and it's progressing well it's just that once the

[2:42:43] Voice 17: bylaws pass then it really then is up with the relationship with the Housing Society at the time

[2:42:51] Voice 17: and San Diego how they resolve any differences and whether the society will then come back to

[2:42:58] Voice 17: with trust and say, yes, we want this

[2:43:00] Voice 17: in and on. And that's a gamble

[2:43:02] Voice 17: they were taking if they

[2:43:03] Voice 17: had no objection. That's just a gamble.

[2:43:06] Voice 17: I'm not saying that there's an intent or

[2:43:08] Voice 17: anything like that.

[2:43:08] Voice 5: No, I understand. I look at

[2:43:10] Voice 17: all the potentials. But

[2:43:11] Voice 5: to my mind, I would

[2:43:14] Voice 5: think that if the nation

[2:43:16] Voice 5: felt they weren't sort of getting anywhere

[2:43:18] Voice 5: with us in terms of their interest,

[2:43:21] Voice 5: they can

[2:43:21] Voice 5: directly approach the LTC

[2:43:24] Voice 5: with the same request

[2:43:26] Voice 5: because the LTC is the other

[2:43:28] Voice 5: party in the agreement with the housing society and so initially they approached us through one

[2:43:37] Voice 5: staff member and it was copied to the planner but to my mind this would be their alternative

[2:43:49] Voice 5: is if they weren't in the next little while getting anywhere with talking with us they

[2:43:53] Voice 5: could approach the the trustees with the same request and and then after the wording's worked

[2:44:01] Voice 5: out come back and just um modify the housing agreement as sonya has said it's a simple

[2:44:07] Voice 5: straightforward um thing to do

[2:44:11] Voice 5: and other housing agreements have been modified after their first

[2:44:16] Voice 5: um approval of course as

[2:44:19] Voice 17: long as both the housing society and ltc agree absolutely

[2:44:22] Voice 5: yes that's right

[2:44:23] Voice 5: so in the end that's right it comes to but i'm just saying that there's that second they have

[2:44:29] Voice 5: that all turned up right now so

[2:44:34] Voice 17: that was the one the other one i had i noticed a few changes you

[2:44:39] Voice 17: a minor change that acceptable to appropriate that's that seems logical it's

[2:44:47] Voice 16: because of the

[2:44:48] Voice 16: word

[2:44:48] Voice 17: appropriate changes like the definition of housing income limits we've changed the word from

[2:44:54] Voice 17: acceptable to appropriate i noticed that that makes a lot of sense i did note that in section b

[2:45:05] Voice 17: The previous bylaw talked about an equivalent alternative.

[2:45:10] Voice 17: And now it's saying, and this is what I do is the step one, two, and three of the building.

[2:45:17] Voice 17: And now it just says different, which is substantive change.

[2:45:23] Voice 5: So B, B for Victor, B,

[2:45:27] Voice 5: B for Victor, one.

[2:45:28] Voice 5: Yeah,

[2:45:28] Voice 17: it just, it now says if you'll use step three, or if required by an affordable housing funder, a different energy performance target.

[2:45:39] Voice 17: The previous draft said the equivalent don't turn to them.

[2:45:43] Voice 17: Well,

[2:45:44] Voice 5: with blue, my understanding, Ian, correct me if I'm mistaken, but for Sonia, the blueprints, the items in blue printing were passed by the LTC at the March 4th, 21 meeting.

[2:45:59] Voice 16: Was that right?

[2:46:00] Voice 5: They haven't been

[2:46:01] Voice 5: through the final reading process, I understand it.

[2:46:05] Voice 16: That's correct.

[2:46:05] Voice 16: The direction of the local trust committee is reflected in blue, and all the changes that are in red are what has been negotiated by the applicant and the solicitors.

[2:46:19] Voice 16: So the blue text was the direction of the local trust committee at the March 4th, 2021 meeting.

[2:46:27] Voice 17: This is where we're not having time to go through it really in detail.

[2:46:30] Voice 17: yeah

[2:46:30] Voice 16: yeah we apologize

[2:46:31] Voice 16: I'm

[2:46:32] Voice 17: looking at the wrong

[2:46:32] Voice 17: so in

[2:46:34] Voice 16: the addendums

[2:46:35] Voice 16: attachment two

[2:46:38] Voice 16: is what we're referencing

[2:46:39] Voice 16: for further greetings

[2:46:41] Voice 16: not the other version

[2:46:43] Voice 16: so

[2:46:43] Voice 17: basically that change

[2:46:45] Voice 17: could be step one

[2:46:48] Voice 17: two or three

[2:46:50] Voice 17: yeah

[2:46:51] Voice 16: or if the step code system

[2:46:54] Voice 16: were dissolved which doesn't look like

[2:46:55] Voice 16: it's going to be the case and replaced

[2:46:57] Voice 16: with a different term, that the housing agreement would still require some level of energy performance.

[2:47:05] Voice 17: The adjective different versus cooking alternative is very different.

[2:47:16] Voice 17: It just means that it could be the standard if the housing

[2:47:26] Voice 16: funds are required.

[2:47:27] Voice 16: So

[2:47:28] Voice 17: it could be into the step three or two of funding the stand-in procedure.

[2:47:34] Voice 16: From what we understand of BC Housing specifically as a funder is that they require step four.

[2:47:42] Voice 16: No,

[2:47:42] Voice 17: and I agree. The bylaw, the way it's written now, is not targeted just to BC Housing.

[2:47:51] Voice 17: I'm looking at the potential.

[2:47:53] Voice 17: If these houses are funded, there's been not a lot of questions in the line.

[2:47:57] Voice 17: Maybe CMHC, but it's when you get into the private market,

[2:48:01] Voice 17: which is a potential, what does this bylaw allow?

[2:48:07] Voice 17: That would allow standard, which runs

[2:48:10] Voice 15: sort of contrary to the OCP.

[2:48:17] Voice 15: Could I answer that question?

[2:48:19] Voice 15: Yes,

[2:48:23] Voice 12: I just wanted to point out that there's a very specific definition of affordable housing

[2:48:31] Voice 12: funder, and it means BC Housing, Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation or other agency that

[2:48:39] Voice 12: provides grants or preferential loan rates to support the development of affordable housing

[2:48:43] Voice 12: units on the lands.

[2:48:45] Voice 12: So it's not up to a private funder to change the energy target.

[2:48:50] Voice 12: It would be up to one of those agencies listed there that are providing grants or preferential rate loans if they're not BC Housing or CMHC, which are the only two agencies currently providing affordable housing funding.

[2:49:05] Voice 12: There is the Federation of Canadian Municipalities that does do some support for affordable housing, but they are a second-in agency, and their current green standard is almost net zero.

[2:49:19] Voice 12: So I think by, I just wanted to make sure that we weren't talking about the wrong thing, which is that a private agency could somehow lower the energy standard, because that's not, that wouldn't be allowed for the affordable, for the housing agreement we're talking about.

[2:49:35] Voice 17: So you're talking then about governments, agencies basically providing funding, or government-like agencies as opposed to private funders, the private market?

[2:49:51] Voice 15: my understanding

[2:49:52] Voice 12: i'm just reading from the housing agreement definition um which is has defined

[2:49:58] Voice 12: affordable housing funder um and it's an agency uh rather than a you know a private entity so

[2:50:05] Voice 4: i remember having that discussion when we drafted when we first considered this and what the word

[2:50:11] Voice 4: agency meant because we had the issue of and as did i about about that that we didn't want to have

[2:50:18] Voice 4: of a whatever private funder set the standards for this and i think we all came to the understanding

[2:50:26] Voice 4: that agency meant an agency similar to cmhc or or bc housing which would mean a government funder

[2:50:35] Voice 4: effectively i think that's

[2:50:36] Voice 1: what i understood

[2:50:37] Voice 4: it to mean in any case and i see nodding from

[2:50:39] Voice 4: mr scott so because i have the

[2:50:42] Voice 4: same concerns that you do about about deferring because there's much

[2:50:46] Voice 4: in this affordable housing agreement

[2:50:48] Voice 3: that

[2:50:50] Voice 4: defers the best definition of affordability to the fund

[2:50:58] Voice 4: being you know i'm being a bit general here but it defers what that definition is

[2:51:05] Voice 4: and um and that causes me a little bit of concern because i'll just be frank it's that

[2:51:14] Voice 4: It's that we took the definition of affordability out of the OCP in terms of a percentage of income, et cetera, et cetera.

[2:51:24] Voice 4: And we said, no, no, we'll build it into the housing agreement.

[2:51:28] Voice 4: And I know this was a piece you didn't agree with, is that we said, we'll define what the affordability is in the housing agreement.

[2:51:38] Voice 4: and it might look different for this particular housing

[2:51:41] Voice 4: as for this particular housing because things evolve

[2:51:45] Voice 4: and things have certainly evolved in terms of funding

[2:51:49] Voice 4: even over the two years since we did this

[2:51:52] Voice 4: or even over the years since we did this

[2:51:55] Voice 4: in terms of criteria, et cetera.

[2:52:00] Voice 4: And I know a number of organizations are looking

[2:52:03] Voice 4: looking at other funding formulas besides just BC Housing

[2:52:09] Voice 4: because it was so oversubscribed as Mr. Scott said

[2:52:13] Voice 4: the last time and one would anticipate

[2:52:17] Voice 4: it would be oversubscribed again.

[2:52:20] Voice 4: And I guess one of the questions I have is

[2:52:23] Voice 4: because we defer or there's some decisions

[2:52:27] Voice 4: in the housing agreement, this is a general question

[2:52:29] Voice 4: as opposed to about specific language.

[2:52:31] Voice 4: language because there are

[2:52:33] Voice 4: issues where the criteria are set by the funder what if there's

[2:52:38] Voice 4: multiple funders what if you have to cobble together more like both CMHA and BC housing

[2:52:45] Voice 4: or some combination of funders or the green building fund from the from the Canadian

[2:52:52] Voice 4: municipalities fund or something how does that criteria get resolved under this language do you

[2:52:59] Voice 4: have an idea about that if there's more than one main funder um

[2:53:05] Voice 12: well that's the art of getting

[2:53:08] Voice 12: affordable housing funding is how to keep all the funders happy um but typically you'll have

[2:53:14] Voice 12: multiple then reporting requirements and you can only get the funding if you meet all of their

[2:53:19] Voice 12: requirements simultaneously um and and so whether it ends up being one who's operating agreements

[2:53:28] Voice 12: agreements you're following and then reporting out to the other agencies or whether you have

[2:53:34] Voice 12: multiple operating agreements on title that you need to respond to, that's to be determined.

[2:53:41] Voice 12: But they will all ensure that you're meeting their base funding requirements in whatever

[2:53:46] Voice 12: way is most appropriate.

[2:53:47] Voice 12: So really it's about layering it on.

[2:53:49] Voice 12: So, for example, if you look at CMHC's co-investment energy criteria, it tends to be different, but roughly equivalent to Step 4 under the BC Step Code.

[2:54:05] Voice 12: So, if you're meeting BC Housing's current Step 4 target, you're also meeting that one.

[2:54:11] Voice 12: But there might be other circumstances like FCM where if we're meeting their target we're

[2:54:17] Voice 12: exceeding step 4 and so by meeting one you meet the other. But yes, that's part of the work that

[2:54:24] Voice 12: I get engaged with is trying to align those things and then keeping the funders happy as part of the

[2:54:31] Voice 12: process. The amount of time that's spent with their staff and lawyers to finalize all those

[2:54:39] Voice 12: agreements is is quite lengthy um and the oversight is is quite intense sorry

[2:54:48] Voice 15: uh trustee colbert and i

[2:54:49] Voice 15: we have haven't had to let you weigh in on what your thoughts are about i'll

[2:54:53] Voice 14: do that no further

[2:54:55] Voice 14: questions trust

[2:55:03] Voice 17: me longer so my next one was about uh c by c i a m b which is the sections

[2:55:11] Voice 17: since C, affordable rental housing eligibility,

[2:55:16] Voice 17: is now changed to affordable housing eligibility,

[2:55:19] Voice 17: that's fine.

[2:55:20] Voice 17: And C, I, A, and B present as options

[2:55:26] Voice 17: for all affordable housing units.

[2:55:29] Voice 17: It's either the housing income level,

[2:55:33] Voice 17: household income level, FIPC housing,

[2:55:36] Voice 17: or some other calculation

[2:55:38] Voice 17: based on what the housing funder provides.

[2:55:41] Voice 17: And so if they're in either or situation, it's not the B one is broader, it talks about

[2:55:50] Voice 17: something on social assistance or something, age or disability with it, which is appropriate.

[2:55:57] Voice 17: I've not, but we have been looking at how affordable housing, from an income level,

[2:56:04] Voice 17: and now the way the B means potentially could not be an income level, it could just be disability

[2:56:11] Voice 17: or age. Now, there may be income behind that, but it says and or some sort of disability

[2:56:21] Voice 17: and or income. So you have a choice now doing just straight seniors, wealthy. This is crazy,

[2:56:28] Voice 17: but you know, seniors is a lot of money. And the only rule is 30% rule for the ones who

[2:56:37] Voice 17: are affordable per se versus the market rental which weighs the 30 percent goal but i'm just

[2:56:46] Voice 17: really not clear on how that actually works because that and war and it's to me be more

[2:56:54] Voice 17: tagged towards the market rental units you know and maybe before the housing one that would

[2:57:03] Voice 17: simplified by a lot of this the wording because it's very that's just my conclusion i'll ask ian

[2:57:12] Voice 5: if you could respond to that please um

[2:57:17] Voice 12: yeah so uh yes correct it's an it is an either or so under a

[2:57:24] Voice 12: base case where the um bc housing or cmac or another agency that funds affordable housing

[2:57:31] Voice 12: wasn't at the table the society through private donations or private funders

[2:57:39] Voice 12: would have to meet for all the units the housing income limits and then in the

[2:57:45] Voice 12: second case one of those affordable housing funders is at the table

[2:57:49] Voice 12: providing funding and you know those programs are prescribed have a certain

[2:57:56] Voice 12: a certain mix of rental criteria in terms of income limits that vary a little bit from

[2:58:05] Voice 12: those housing income limits, and that's what would apply.

[2:58:08] Voice 12: But it's all based on having an affordable housing funding agency at the table providing

[2:58:15] Voice 12: that kind of funding when there's just not the kind of program that you're talking about

[2:58:20] Voice 12: about that relates to just seniors only at whatever aid,

[2:58:25] Voice 12: at whatever income limit.

[2:58:28] Voice 12: These are all programs that are targeted at people making

[2:58:32] Voice 12: less than high wages, as we've talked about.

[2:58:36] Voice 12: The need for affordable housing is much broader

[2:58:39] Voice 12: than it used to be.

[2:58:40] Voice 12: And per the vision of both BC Housing,

[2:58:44] Voice 12: but also the Gabriel Housing Society,

[2:58:46] Voice 12: it's to serve people with a range of incomes,

[2:58:49] Voice 12: low through to moderate,

[2:58:50] Voice 12: it because that's what's needed out in the community yeah

[2:58:54] Voice 17: just to summarize for myself it's

[2:58:58] Voice 17: that ci says a or b but within b there's also an and or so in b you have the option of income or

[2:59:08] Voice 17: you have the option of disability or you have an option of both income and disability that's

[2:59:14] Voice 17: because of that and or and b that's where it implies that you've got some options there

[2:59:22] Voice 17: some of the units could have no income testing at all potentially it's not i don't yeah but

[2:59:29] Voice 17: that's the capacity right

[2:59:31] Voice 12: so so yes there are there there are examples where there are certain

[2:59:39] Voice 12: units that have no income limit um depending on the funding program but there are also criteria

[2:59:44] Voice 12: such as you must be on social assistance which is not a pure income uh criteria either it's a

[2:59:49] Voice 12: it's a status criteria so it's really important that that and or language is

[3:00:00] Voice 17: maybe that's where i'm stuck on with that

[3:00:02] Voice 4: well what part of what i think hearing is is that

[3:00:06] Voice 4: i mean this is an opportunity to get some questions answered i just i i um i do have

[3:00:12] Voice 4: a question about making sure i understand e2 which as i read it basically means that

[3:00:34] Voice 4: that if the housing society wants to have more than 30%

[3:00:42] Voice 4: of the units be affordable market units,

[3:00:52] Voice 4: they just have to give the LTC notice

[3:00:55] Voice 4: and then come and answer questions.

[3:01:01] Voice 4: And that's the end of it.

[3:01:04] Voice 4: I mean, in other words,

[3:01:06] Voice 4: it doesn't need the LTC's approval in order to do that.

[3:01:11] Voice 14: e2c does where

[3:01:14] Voice 3: okay so if i'm misreading it that's fine

[3:01:19] Voice 3: it

[3:01:21] Voice 5: says

[3:01:25] Voice 4: they have to give us notice send a representative to come and answer questions

[3:01:30] Voice 4: in which case the number on the land and occupied will be equivalent to the number required by the

[3:01:35] Voice 4: funder to meet the requirements of the funder as specified to the trust committee under the

[3:01:40] Voice 4: subsection c so my reading is funder comes along and says i want 50 to be market units

[3:01:51] Voice 4: making up a number and you go yeah we're okay we'll do that because we're still getting

[3:01:58] Voice 4: i've forgotten how many units are our parents uh they were still getting 12 affordable and they

[3:02:04] Voice 4: come and they come and we we express our extreme displeasure about that and effectively at that

[3:02:11] Voice 4: point if we've signed off on the affordable housing agreement that's that's it it's what

[3:02:17] Voice 4: the affordable housing thunder sets up am i reading that wrong i just want to make sure

[3:02:23] Voice 4: i'm reading it correctly so

[3:02:25] Voice 5: ian can you answer that please yeah

[3:02:29] Voice 12: no i think you are reading it

[3:02:30] Voice 12: correctly um and it's all about the funding um to get units to the afford you know to the housing

[3:02:37] Voice 12: income limits is probably a capital requirement of somewhere about 200 000 per unit um and part

[3:02:44] Voice 12: of the strategy given the broad need of housing that is in needed in the community from all the

[3:02:51] Voice 12: funders as well as good planning principles not trying to ghetto people who have lower incomes

[3:02:57] Voice 12: is to have some of the units in the homes be eligible to people with higher incomes

[3:03:04] Voice 12: but still serving a need for rental housing in the community and you know in

[3:03:11] Voice 12: an ideal world government has a bottomless pit of money for affordable

[3:03:15] Voice 12: housing and we could guarantee 100% are at a certain rent level but that's

[3:03:20] Voice 12: that's not the current funding reality and so it's everyone's working together

[3:03:25] Voice 12: to try to do our very best but it is about the funding scenario and what

[3:03:32] Voice 12: what agencies that are supporting it financially are able to bring to the table.

[3:03:38] Voice 12: And that's defined in Ottawa or in Victoria.

[3:03:41] Voice 12: And there's very little room for, you know, local variants unless there's a local group coming to the table with a lot of, you know, a lot of additional money.

[3:03:50] Voice 12: And maybe that's what happens at that meeting, that through the trustee connections and us making that more public,

[3:03:56] Voice 12: that this is sort of the final chance um you know uh to you know to change the outcome uh that

[3:04:03] Voice 12: somebody steps up but if there isn't that money coming um then we want to take advantage of the

[3:04:08] Voice 12: funding programs that are out there to deliver as much affordable housing as we can in the community

[3:04:12] Voice 12: okay um

[3:04:15] Voice 4: my last question is actually for staff as much as anything is uh i've had the um i want to

[3:04:24] Voice 4: say good fortune um the fortune of um being the chair of local trust committees that have worked

[3:04:33] Voice 4: now this i i have actually worked the last three and a half years on four different

[3:04:37] Voice 4: portable housing projects two on galliano one on maine and this one um and uh and

[3:04:47] Voice 4: the content of the housing agreement on particularly on galliano has been relatively um

[3:04:57] Voice 4: challenged and we only recently uh came up with a formula for our sort of rental structure in the

[3:05:07] Voice 4: housing agreement like on monday one that we approved that contains some language about

[3:05:15] Voice 4: that units will on average be rented at below 30 percent of the foreign tax income and eligibility

[3:05:24] Voice 4: ability for affordable units to be tied to a certain income limit and i don't know that staff

[3:05:31] Voice 4: have had a chance to look at that language that's been developed at that point and i don't know if

[3:05:36] Voice 4: the applicant has but there might be some there and sort of merging that language in as well to

[3:05:43] Voice 4: give some comfort related to affordability but i gather no one's had a chance to consider that in

[3:05:49] Voice 4: the context of this and i don't know if the applicants had a chance to consider that in

[3:05:54] Voice 4: the context because i know you've been working on this for creating flexibility trying to create

[3:06:01] Voice 4: a criteria that will allow you to be as i don't want to as um nimble and applying for funding as

[3:06:09] Voice 4: you possibly can be and i'm entirely empathetic to that that idea but it does strike me that given

[3:06:16] Voice 4: that we made the housing agreement the core of this of the affordability concept because we

[3:06:22] Voice 4: removed it from the ocp that some criteria around you know about about the various um incomes and

[3:06:33] Voice 4: and uh a etc might um an h and housing income limits might provide some some further criteria

[3:06:43] Voice 4: and i really wonder whether we should take a moment to just consider that in the context of

[3:06:49] Voice 4: drafting this particular housing agreement and i i'm sort of asking the staff and what they think

[3:06:56] Voice 4: about them and i see your hand and that's how it comes to the second do

[3:06:59] Voice 16: you want us to pull up

[3:07:01] Voice 16: the excerpt from that april 4th report to galliano we

[3:07:05] Voice 4: can i've got it in front of me but i can't do

[3:07:08] Voice 4: that so yeah

[3:07:09] Voice 16: would that be helpful well i'm

[3:07:12] Voice 4: actually wondering whether people need i mean

[3:07:14] Voice 4: i'm what i'm hearing trustee langer is going i need i want you know i'm i he's got considerations

[3:07:20] Voice 4: i don't know what we want to do so but i haven't heard much from trustee colburn and i saw nancy

[3:07:26] Voice 4: why don't i let you talk about that sure right if you can pull it up it's it's in the package

[3:07:31] Voice 4: on page 45 of the last uh ltc on monday on april of whatever the date that was and there's a little

[3:07:40] Voice 4: little box there that has it doesn't have the actual language but it has the concepts that are

[3:07:45] Voice 4: there and sorry nancy i did see your hand up thank

[3:07:48] Voice 5: you so um yes i appreciate you raising that and

[3:07:53] Voice 5: just a few comments first of all over the last well probably year i have been following the

[3:08:02] Voice 5: housing agreements that are being developed on denman right and and uh the two on galliana

[3:08:08] Voice 5: and the one on Maine, for many reasons,

[3:08:12] Voice 5: largely to learn what's been going on on those ones

[3:08:15] Voice 5: and seeing what might work for us and not.

[3:08:21] Voice 5: So the one you're referring to,

[3:08:24] Voice 5: and those are on different stages of development.

[3:08:27] Voice 5: The one on Denman has second reading

[3:08:29] Voice 5: and it's very similar to ours.

[3:08:34] Voice 5: The two on Galliano, as I understand it,

[3:08:36] Voice 5: are still are just beginning to be drafted the

[3:08:40] Voice 4: housing agreements the

[3:08:41] Voice 5: house or the housing

[3:08:42] Voice 5: agreement yes

[3:08:43] Voice 4: the housing agreements have not yet been dropped and

[3:08:45] Voice 5: so this is all this discussion

[3:08:47] Voice 5: about that what to do for rental rates and eligibility is part of preparing to draft the

[3:08:53] Voice 5: house agreement um and the one on maine is also as understand it not yet drafted because i think

[3:09:00] Voice 5: it's those it's

[3:09:01] Voice 4: a little farther behind

[3:09:02] Voice 5: and so um one of my conclusions out of that is that

[3:09:09] Voice 5: there's a variety of ways to address this question of rental rates and eligibility and i agree with

[3:09:17] Voice 5: you very much that the decision i mean i agree with your observation that the decision here was

[3:09:23] Voice 5: is when we took the definition of affordability out of the OCP,

[3:09:28] Voice 5: put it in the housing agreement,

[3:09:29] Voice 5: it's very important that it is in the housing agreement.

[3:09:35] Voice 5: And so in my mind,

[3:09:39] Voice 5: there are pieces in this housing agreement

[3:09:41] Voice 5: that do reflect those two issues.

[3:09:45] Voice 5: And the ones on Galliano

[3:09:48] Voice 5: are addressing those two issues in quite different ways.

[3:09:53] Voice 5: and when i watch the me as i watch the meeting on monday and um this is having recordings and

[3:10:00] Voice 5: having live stream is really really helpful because it's been very helpful for me over

[3:10:04] Voice 5: the past year to be able to attend these meetings and learn from them um part of my memory of what's

[3:10:13] Voice 5: been used there was they used some definitions from bc housing the low moderate income

[3:10:19] Voice 5: income definition of the housing limits.

[3:10:23] Voice 5: And I was a little surprised that they used definitions

[3:10:26] Voice 5: from one funding organization.

[3:10:29] Voice 5: But that aside, I think that our housing agreement

[3:10:36] Voice 5: does address those two issues.

[3:10:39] Voice 5: And specifically for the rental rates in part section D,

[3:10:45] Voice 5: deed which was in blueprint so it was passed um in march it says um the rent payable must not

[3:10:57] Voice 5: exceed 30 of the gross monthly household income of the qualified renter and so except in the case

[3:11:06] Voice 5: of formal market units so and household income is defined as is qualified renter and so um to my

[3:11:15] Voice 5: my mind, there is the rental rate statement. And then as far

[3:11:23] Voice 5: as eligibility, that part is in is in Section C, in the general

[3:11:31] Voice 5: sense, and also all of Schedule B has to do with eligibility. And

[3:11:39] Voice 5: so those are the comments I'd offer you in response to your

[3:11:45] Voice 5: the comments i'm happy to um describe further anything here thank

[3:11:58] Voice 4: you for that so um i'm also

[3:12:04] Voice 4: conscious of the time we have other things on the agenda today and uh how would uh trustees like

[3:12:11] Voice 4: to proceed um uh in terms of uh moving forward or not with the recommendations of the uh of the

[3:12:21] Voice 4: plan uh

[3:12:21] Voice 14: in the interest of time i'll put forward recommend a recommended motion and then we can

[3:12:27] Voice 14: discuss i moved to the gabriel island local trust committee bylaw number 308 so i just gave the

[3:12:39] Voice 14: island housing agreement bylaw number 308 to 120 be amended as presented in attachment to

[3:12:44] Voice 14: the staff report dated april 7 2022 i'll second

[3:12:50] Voice 17: it for a

[3:12:51] Voice 14: discussion okay so discussion uh as the

[3:12:58] Voice 14: Thank you for the work and the negotiations,

[3:12:59] Voice 14: especially working with Sonamuk in the way that you have,

[3:13:02] Voice 14: the good intentions and the time and the effort.

[3:13:04] Voice 14: It's not going according to timelines that we're imposing

[3:13:07] Voice 14: and that's no surprise and it shouldn't be a surprise,

[3:13:09] Voice 14: but thank you for the heartfelt work that you've done.

[3:13:15] Voice 14: We're making real change in the way that this is happening,

[3:13:18] Voice 14: so thank you for that.

[3:13:20] Voice 14: I hear continually this attempt

[3:13:21] Voice 14: to define housing affordability.

[3:13:23] Voice 14: If you pay for housing, affordable housing,

[3:13:25] Voice 14: you get to define it.

[3:13:26] Voice 14: That seems clear to me.

[3:13:28] Voice 14: that's the way that Nancy just laid out to the two components of definition I'm comfortable with

[3:13:34] Voice 14: both of those I'm very conscious of the amount of time that this is taking on the trust side

[3:13:39] Voice 14: different lawyers different processes administrative barriers there's very clear

[3:13:44] Voice 14: barriers to affordable housing within the trust like there's just no question of that so

[3:13:48] Voice 14: I almost want to apologize to some extent but I acknowledge that staff and legal folks have

[3:13:55] Voice 14: gone through this and i'm comfortable with it where it is i'll be voting in favor of the housing

[3:14:02] Voice 14: agreement that's presented what's

[3:14:07] Voice 17: the other uh yeah i can't go in favor can

[3:14:10] Voice 3: you take your mask

[3:14:10] Voice 3: yeah

[3:14:11] Voice 17: i won't be going in favor so have concerns around the wording around a couple of the sections

[3:14:17] Voice 17: so i i feel there's more discussion and i'd also

[3:14:23] Voice 17: like to get some confirmation that

[3:14:49] Voice 14: I'm not sure you can make it a condition of approval. I just don't think that's fair.

[3:14:58] Voice 14: uh well

[3:14:59] Voice 17: we've we've had other situations where we've done referrals anyway that's fine we just

[3:15:08] Voice 17: disagree well

[3:15:10] Voice 4: well you're correct we have deferred matters what we as we awaited for some indication

[3:15:17] Voice 4: of of support or knock support or a position from us for good reasons um i was telling someone the

[3:15:29] Voice 4: other day that it's only on gabriel i end up casting and deciding deciding about that and

[3:15:36] Voice 4: that's not a criticism it's just i think because here's my inclination i'll just tell you my

[3:15:41] Voice 4: inclination my inclination is uh to vote in favor of this particular motion um but suggest we not

[3:15:52] Voice 4: given second and third reading and ask staff to go away and come and and investigate what the

[3:16:01] Voice 4: language that i've referred to today and indicate to us and report back to us as to whether they in

[3:16:08] Voice 4: their opinion the the the language that we've now asked you to present and to be amended by law

[3:16:16] Voice 4: um satisfies the sort of conditions that we've talked about i i take i i see the language that

[3:16:24] Voice 4: ms heather and grace has talked about it seems to be but i haven't had a chance to really think

[3:16:29] Voice 4: about it but to report back to us so look at that language from galliano and indicate whether we

[3:16:35] Voice 4: think that that the concepts that are contained in there are now contained in our bylaw our draft as

[3:16:43] Voice 4: well and then it can come back for second and third reading uh in may that's my inclination

[3:16:49] Voice 4: as to what what my inclination but i put that out there uh without about this is to ask that it be

[3:16:55] Voice 4: be amended and then but then ask staff to go and do some reporting based on that i don't know what

[3:17:02] Voice 4: stuff what trustees

[3:17:03] Voice 15: think i'm

[3:17:06] Voice 17: actually supporting that because it puts it in writing what the draft

[3:17:11] Voice 17: draft is and then yeah well it's

[3:17:14] Voice 17: in writing it's just it's just blue

[3:17:16] Voice 4: yeah um I mean it sort of

[3:17:20] Voice 4: indicates if I vote in favor of the motion it indicates generic sort of general support for

[3:17:27] Voice 4: the concepts but i i am i i know that as uh uh as then the various affordable housing advocates

[3:17:47] Voice 4: proponents are watching all of the various applications as they move forward it's not

[3:17:54] Voice 4: unusual for me to hear when i'm on galliano well you did this on gabriel why don't you do that for

[3:17:59] Voice 4: us uh or or on maine i'll go i'll hear you this is what's happening on maine why isn't this happening

[3:18:07] Voice 4: here and um or in denman sorry and uh and i'm i'm a little and i've been i've been saying quite

[3:18:17] Voice 4: publicly i think these housing agreements should mostly reflect the similar principles

[3:18:23] Voice 4: that they should not be divergent there should not be one set of rules with the trust

[3:18:31] Voice 4: if they're working with a local trust on gabriola from if they're working with the trust on

[3:18:37] Voice 4: on main island other than the fact that their ocps are occasionally different

[3:18:43] Voice 4: and they are occasionally different and they've been developed differently but the housing

[3:18:49] Voice 4: agreement should generally reflect our commitment to to um uh to affordability as well as helping

[3:18:57] Voice 4: out the uh helping to ensure that this appropriate location all the things that we've talked about so

[3:19:03] Voice 4: that's

[3:19:04] Voice 18: why i would

[3:19:04] Voice 4: sort of like staff to have an opportunity to to look at what was just recently

[3:19:10] Voice 4: agreed to on galliano and and indicate whether they're comfortable that the proposal here

[3:19:16] Voice 4: here is consistent with some of the principles

[3:19:19] Voice 4: in relation to both affordability

[3:19:22] Voice 4: and housing income limits, et cetera.

[3:19:26] Voice 4: And if they are,

[3:19:27] Voice 4: then I'd be comfortable moving forward in relation,

[3:19:31] Voice 4: even though it looks different,

[3:19:32] Voice 4: but that's why I'm suggesting this to the trustees.

[3:19:36] Voice 4: But again, and I hear you guys differ

[3:19:40] Voice 4: and I'm prepared to vote on the first motion,

[3:19:42] Voice 4: but I wonder about the,

[3:19:43] Voice 4: maybe I should call the vote on that,

[3:19:45] Voice 4: but that's where i'm headed on this and i guess we can have that discussion when we get to the

[3:19:48] Voice 4: second one so

[3:19:50] Voice 16: i'm

[3:19:52] Voice 4: prepared to call the vote on the first motion but i just wanted to flag what

[3:19:56] Voice 4: i'm thinking yeah

[3:19:58] Voice 17: and my thinking is that i can't support the wording i'm okay with putting the

[3:20:03] Voice 17: wording in and getting a report back on okay

[3:20:07] Voice 4: well i haven't heard from trustee colbert on that so

[3:20:09] Voice 4: let's call the vote on the first motion so i'll call the vote on recommendation uh one motion

[3:20:14] Voice 4: that was put forward and seconded all in favor so two three in favor okay so that passes okay

[3:20:22] Voice 14: i'll move to the gabriel local trust committee bylaw number 308 cited as gabriel housing agreement

[3:20:27] Voice 14: bylaw number 308 2020 we read a second time as amended i'll second it for discussion

[3:20:34] Voice 17: okay

[3:20:35] Voice 14: um again i kind of laid out the case for this at the first comments um i understand what you're

[3:20:41] Voice 14: Chair Rogers, I did not have the, I did not take my Monday off with watching another LTC.

[3:20:49] Voice 14: But I, I'm very uncomfortable with this this desire to define the income of the users, I'm more interested in the use as affordable housing, and I, the agencies that fund affordable housing have criteria that delineate and define that this goes beyond that

[3:21:06] Voice 1: and has other

[3:21:06] Voice 1: aspects

[3:21:06] Voice 14: in terms of time on the

[3:21:08] Voice 14: island and being a member of the First Nations and other qualifiers

[3:21:13] Voice 14: that again make sure that these units are going for the use that we're intending to use them in

[3:21:20] Voice 14: a location that we're saying that they be used. You get

[3:21:25] Voice 14: into an area of redundancy in defining

[3:21:30] Voice 14: defining the limits and defining the income based pieces of this that are outside our jurisdiction, we define the use and the funders in this agreement, define that, and if you can find funders who want to do it in a different way.

[3:21:47] Voice 14: You know, I wish we lived in that world we don't, because this is a highly competitive area.

[3:21:53] Voice 14: area, and there's a huge amount of need for this, not just amongst housing societies and

[3:22:01] Voice 14: islands and communities throughout Canada and around the world, but on this island specifically,

[3:22:06] Voice 14: there's a great deal of need.

[3:22:08] Voice 14: So again, I'll be voting, and we have to understand too these negotiations that are going on between

[3:22:14] Voice 14: the society, the housing society here, this has been through the legal pieces you can

[3:22:19] Voice 14: see that in the way that it's worded, and I don't have any significant issues with the

[3:22:23] Voice 14: way that it's it's done in this i think it's it's strong in the way that it defines it sets forward

[3:22:28] Voice 14: and it's it's in agreement with what i understand the official community plan sets forward in terms

[3:22:35] Voice 14: of respecting affordable housing i will be going

[3:22:42] Voice 17: in favor of this motion um part of the reason is

[3:22:46] Voice 17: as well as the income levels there's too much flexibility there's no certainty as to

[3:22:51] Voice 17: to like relax and come out of this,

[3:22:54] Voice 17: outside of it being supported in BC housing.

[3:22:58] Voice 17: I mean, BC housing sets parameters

[3:23:00] Voice 17: and I know that's been the direction.

[3:23:02] Voice 17: They get the 30% of low income, et cetera, et cetera.

[3:23:05] Voice 17: If that gets approved, it's not gonna be a big issue.

[3:23:08] Voice 17: It's the other options that are available right now.

[3:23:11] Voice 17: And I feel that C is too broad.

[3:23:15] Voice 17: It's very, it could remove income altogether.

[3:23:18] Voice 17: altogether because B has an A income or other capacity so I don't I don't agree with that I

[3:23:26] Voice 17: think that's too too flexible too uncertain market

[3:23:30] Voice 1: rents are

[3:23:31] Voice 17: the only one all affordable housing

[3:23:34] Voice 17: units are limited to 30 percent of income what that income is is unknown it could be very broad

[3:23:41] Voice 17: there's nothing definitive on that it's just a 30 percent rule for the affordable housing units

[3:23:47] Voice 17: and the market rents is open in terms of the percentage of their income for rent.

[3:23:55] Voice 17: That's where I struggle with that.

[3:23:58] Voice 17: So I'm not going

[3:24:00] Voice 17: to fall in favor of it.

[3:24:02] Voice 17: I mean,

[3:24:02] Voice 1: affordable housing units,

[3:24:04] Voice 17: as defined in the final, includes the market rent.

[3:24:07] Voice 17: They're just a different type of affordable housing.

[3:24:11] Voice 17: And they don't have the 30% rule.

[3:24:14] Voice 17: and my understanding was that the affordable housing loans would be limited by the housing

[3:24:18] Voice 17: income points that's not necessarily here in that section c i don't i don't read it that much

[3:24:26] Voice 17: now maybe

[3:24:27] Voice 14: i'm misunderstanding it i

[3:24:28] Voice 17: believe you are i believe that question

[3:24:30] Voice 14: was answered by the

[3:24:30] Voice 14: consultant about the housing like

[3:24:32] Voice 14: it's not like there are income limits set within this yeah

[3:24:39] Voice 14: there are i this this trying to safeguard this so that someone who makes 200 000 a year who is

[3:24:46] Voice 14: those limits are here portraying

[3:24:49] Voice 1: it as not they the

[3:24:50] Voice 14: question was asked during the section to the

[3:24:53] Voice 14: proponents they answered it it's very clear to me that there are income limits i don't see that

[3:25:02] Voice 14: being irrational to vote against this and

[3:25:16] Voice 4: you're saying that the income limits are those that are

[3:25:19] Voice 4: upset by either bc housing or whoever the affordable housing fund is

[3:25:23] Voice 14: and there's exactly

[3:25:25] Voice 14: and then section yes

[3:25:33] Voice 10: so

[3:25:36] Voice 4: okay so i know we've got one person who's going to go to favor and

[3:25:45] Voice 4: another one's going to vote against second reading i'm i'm um it it it does feel to me

[3:25:58] Voice 4: like this has come back to us after a year with a fairly substantive amendment and we haven't

[3:26:05] Voice 4: at least I don't feel like I've had enough time to consider all the

[3:26:10] Voice 4: ramifications of what the proposed amendments are and how that fits in the

[3:26:15] Voice 4: discussion that we had in December of 2020 and January of 2021,

[3:26:20] Voice 4: when we, and I,

[3:26:23] Voice 4: and I trust everybody acknowledges that the LTC and myself and staff sort of

[3:26:29] Voice 4: work very diligently to get that through so that you could apply for the last

[3:26:34] Voice 4: round of funding and i and i was supportive of of doing that and did so it does i'm not hearing

[3:26:41] Voice 4: anything that says this is urgent um to get this get second and third reading of the housing

[3:26:48] Voice 4: agreement done today when it's just appeared on our agenda for after 12 months of not being on

[3:26:54] Voice 4: our agenda and to be honest um to be frank and this isn't about the um this is not about the

[3:27:02] Voice 4: the applicant uh but um we haven't had any kind of updates up until now uh until this document

[3:27:13] Voice 4: so and that's no that's not that's not my finger but we haven't had we haven't seen what was being

[3:27:19] Voice 4: on on the agenda being talked about so i'm feeling uncomfortable about about giving it second and

[3:27:25] Voice 4: third reading or second or third reading right now um and i'd like and i really would like to

[3:27:31] Voice 4: asked staff to at least consider the language uh and what when what um miss heather pierce said

[3:27:39] Voice 4: about about well those concepts are embedded in here because i i didn't see them when i went

[3:27:45] Voice 4: through this in detail last night um but i may have missed them and i may be wrong um and if

[3:27:51] Voice 4: they are embedded in here then all so much the better they're just embedded in a different form

[3:27:55] Voice 4: but i i'm not comfortable at the stage giving it second reading um although i'm quite happy to

[3:28:04] Voice 4: consider doing so in may and i don't see the downside of reading that's why i asked the

[3:28:09] Voice 4: question whether there was any hurry of course we want to check things off and get things done so

[3:28:13] Voice 4: that you can go forward but i i'm not hearing that it's urgent to get this done today as opposed to

[3:28:20] Voice 4: the next ldc um so i i with with some reluctance i'm not going to vote in favor of giving a second

[3:28:29] Voice 4: reading and i'm going to make a motion that after that to ask staff to do some reporting

[3:28:34] Voice 4: and comparing the concepts from the galliano affordable housing and indicate whether they're

[3:28:41] Voice 4: comfortable that those concepts are embedded in this housing so is there anything else from either

[3:28:48] Voice 4: trustee before i call the vote trustee colbert uh

[3:28:54] Voice 15: no okay

[3:28:55] Voice 4: then i'll call the vote all in favor

[3:28:58] Voice 4: trustee colburn and all opposed so it fails and so it doesn't get second reading

[3:29:06] Voice 4: and if nobody else is going to make the motion then i will i'm going to move the lcc request staff

[3:29:14] Voice 4: to review the language proposed for the galliano affordable housing agreements for consistency

[3:29:30] Voice 4: with the proposed draft housing agreement and um before the gabriel of the trust community

[3:29:47] Voice 4: Sorry, that was a bit awkward. Did you get that?

[3:29:52] Voice 16: LTC requests staff to review the language proposed for

[3:29:55] Voice 8: the Galley Animal Affordable Housing Agreement for consistency.

[3:30:00] Voice 8: the proposed draft housing agreement before the gabriel and

[3:30:03] Voice 4: report back at the next ltc meeting

[3:30:16] Voice 4: now before i ask for a seconder for that motion i'm going to ask staff whether that's an acceptable

[3:30:23] Voice 4: motion for staff direction

[3:30:26] Voice 16: we'll work with the applicants we may need to

[3:30:34] Voice 4: yeah

[3:30:35] Voice 16: okay thank

[3:30:39] Voice 4: you so is there a second for that motion that's been seconded by trustee

[3:30:43] Voice 4: langer do we need to discuss this any further i don't i think i know

[3:30:48] Voice 4: olbert i know you wish to speak to him

[3:30:52] Voice 14: no i i get it i don't see the need for consistency

[3:30:56] Voice 14: throughout the trust area on agreements.

[3:30:59] Voice 14: I think that comes down to negotiations

[3:31:00] Voice 14: with individual societies.

[3:31:01] Voice 14: I think this, and I'm not gonna compare

[3:31:03] Voice 14: where they're at in different stages,

[3:31:04] Voice 14: but I'll defer in this case

[3:31:08] Voice 14: and more information is always helpful.

[3:31:10] Voice 14: I don't seem to be seeing the issues

[3:31:13] Voice 14: that others are seeing in this.

[3:31:15] Voice 14: So I want people to be comfortable with the decisions.

[3:31:18] Voice 14: Okay, thanks.

[3:31:20] Voice 4: Anything further from you, Trustee Langer?

[3:31:21] Voice 4: So I'll call the vote on that motion.

[3:31:23] Voice 4: All in favor?

[3:31:24] Voice 4: All in favor.

[3:31:25] Voice 4: Okay, and one up step. Thank you very much. So I don't think we need to consider the rest of the motions that are before us. Are there any other thing? And thank you. Yes, yes, I'll let you go ahead.

[3:31:36] Voice 5: I'm just what I appreciate your thinking on all of this. I'm wondering if it's worthwhile to also consider the Denman House Agreement as another source of thinking about

[3:31:51] Voice 5: your your overall thinking about what's important to have in the rent controlled rental part and

[3:31:58] Voice 5: what's important to have in the eligibility part at the same time i i take scott's point of

[3:32:06] Voice 5: they are brain

[3:32:07] Voice 5: is perhaps fine but that's the other house and it has in fact it has

[3:32:13] Voice 5: second reading now

[3:32:14] Voice 4: yes i i yeah yeah

[3:32:16] Voice 5: so just to say that's the other one that's out there

[3:32:19] Voice 5: i don't know if that would be helpful or not

[3:32:22] Voice 4: um i can forward that to you guys probably

[3:32:25] Voice 4: we

[3:32:26] Voice 16: can draw on all the information to present and

[3:32:31] Voice 4: you know what i may be i may be

[3:32:34] Voice 4: trustee colbert may be right i may be creating a straw man straw person where one doesn't exist

[3:32:41] Voice 4: um so but i just would like to be certain before we move forward and if it was

[3:32:49] Voice 4: i won't say anymore so uh if there's something yes so

[3:32:52] Voice 16: uh the point of order would be a question

[3:32:56] Voice 16: around the resolution that was passed regarding the amendments i

[3:33:00] Voice 3: just wanted to make sure was it

[3:33:01] Voice 16: the exact same as the stock report recommendation number one yes in

[3:33:05] Voice 16: which case you you need to um

[3:33:07] Voice 16: you need to give first reading if amended then in order for it to be uh amended the staff

[3:33:14] Voice 16: recommendations were to move on to second reading as amended so right now you don't actually have

[3:33:19] Voice 16: have a bylaw that's been amended by reading so i would need you if what you've done is you've

[3:33:28] Voice 16: amended the bylaw in principle but to make it change and just upload it to the website as

[3:33:38] Voice 16: an actual amendment you need to give it a reading so i'm going to recommend that it be the first

[3:33:43] Voice 16: reading as amended so

[3:33:45] Voice 14: i moved that the gabriel highland local trust committee bylaw news 308

[3:33:49] Voice 14: cited this gabriel housing agreement bylaw number 308 2020 as amended be

[3:33:54] Voice 16: given first reading be

[3:33:55] Voice 14: given

[3:33:55] Voice 16: be

[3:33:57] Voice 14: given first reading as an end so is that replacing the first reading of the correct so that

[3:34:02] Voice 16: will just replace the first reading date that's currently in the bylaw and all those changes will

[3:34:07] Voice 16: be reflected otherwise it just sits there again or another truck changes draft but we don't want

[3:34:12] Voice 16: let's do that okay

[3:34:13] Voice 4: is there a seconder for that motion okay any further discussion related to

[3:34:19] Voice 4: that thank you for the advice we're running out of

[3:34:21] Voice 4: colors for track changes okay

[3:34:22] Voice 16: well don't lose

[3:34:25] Voice 4: that track

[3:34:26] Voice 4: change you want because that gives us the historical context

[3:34:29] Voice 10: okay

[3:34:30] Voice 4: okay so i'm going to

[3:34:32] Voice 4: call the vote on that all in favor that passes okay okay i'm sorry uh that took so long but i

[3:34:40] Voice 4: i uh we i think we made a little bit of progress um and put some considerations thank you for

[3:34:46] Voice 4: attending mr scott we'll see you in may i expect um now uh we i need to maintain a good half hour

[3:34:57] Voice 4: for our in-camera session i'm guessing i would that be correct mr famous i see you're here you're

[3:35:02] Voice 4: here for our camera well we need to have i'm just watching the time because we have 15

[3:35:06] Voice 4: to 20 minutes

[3:35:07] Voice 4: okay so i just want to be conscious of that because it's quarter after two and we have to

[3:35:13] Voice 4: be out of this hall at 3 30 so let's see if we can get the rest of the agenda done in the next

[3:35:18] Voice 4: 45 minutes or as far or anything that doesn't need to be done we can defer uh we're now at

[3:35:25] Voice 4: center stage holdings uh 7.5 of the agenda um and that is also in the addendum isn't it

[3:35:34] Voice 4: okay so that's also in the addendum at page

[3:35:41] Voice 16: okay

[3:35:42] Voice 4: uh i've got it in front of me it's page 36 of the addendum and thank you for terrifying

[3:35:48] Voice 4: that i couldn't figure out what the numbers went but i now understand 36 of the agenda

[3:35:55] Voice 16: thank you

[3:35:55] Voice 4: it's the uh the it's the covenant with the request for a covenant

[3:36:00] Voice 4: it um for the the smaller of the two yeah

[3:36:10] Voice 16: so the applicant is here oh

[3:36:13] Voice 4: for our applicants hi i'm so we'll just have the report if you wish to speak to the application

[3:36:19] Voice 4: i'll give you the opportunity after we've asked questions for a call and sorry and what's the last

[3:36:24] Voice 4: name um thank you thank

[3:36:29] Voice 16: you so the purpose of this report is to recommend that an updated section 219

[3:36:35] Voice 16: covenant as a condition of subdivision of the subject property be registered on title of the

[3:36:41] Voice 16: property that's shown here on the screen in the staff report and it's to limit the maximum number

[3:36:49] Voice 16: a number of lots permitted in the remaining lots,

[3:36:52] Voice 16: subdivision potential in the RR1 zone.

[3:36:55] Voice 16: So staff is requesting that the covenant be in favor

[3:36:57] Voice 16: of the Gabriel Island Local Trust Committee,

[3:37:00] Voice 16: and that you accept the covenant as presented

[3:37:02] Voice 16: in the sign of signatories in order for the applicant

[3:37:04] Voice 16: to proceed with the subdivision application with motif.

[3:37:08] Voice 16: The intent is to

[3:37:09] Voice 16: shift density

[3:37:11] Voice 16: and reduce development

[3:37:12] Voice 16: pressure on the larger lot.

[3:37:15] Voice 16: Shown on the screen here would be annotation number 14,

[3:37:17] Voice 16: is that would be the maximum number of lots if this covenant proceeds and then six uh lots on

[3:37:24] Voice 16: the subject property that we're currently looking at that's under application for subdivision

[3:37:28] Voice 16: and then no further subdivision would be permitted on either of those lots as the maximum density of

[3:37:35] Voice 16: 49 lots will have been achieved which was part of a historical density transfer rezoning

[3:37:40] Voice 16: over a decade ago so the covenant and attachment one is intended to replace the existing covenant

[3:37:47] Voice 16: which is also in your package that was registered in 2012 with uh updates to the language and the

[3:37:55] Voice 16: formatting as well that's why the addendum was released because the applicant solicitor

[3:38:00] Voice 16: had made some updates to the formatting and the structure of the language for the governance

[3:38:05] Voice 16: but the intent is the same is that that is to restrict a maximum of six lots

[3:38:11] Voice 16: lots on lot number 20 and 14 lots on the lands as it's referenced in the Covenant.

[3:38:19] Voice 16: These updated covenants would be registered at the time of some division once that's finalized

[3:38:27] Voice 16: and we will notify OBE should you proceed with the staff recommendation on these plans.

[3:38:34] Voice 14: Any questions from trustees?

[3:38:36] Voice 14: Can I just confirm the spelling of it Michael Alpatoff or Apatow?

[3:38:40] Voice 14: Al, Al, A-Al.

[3:38:42] Voice 14: A-Al?

[3:38:43] Voice 14: okay i wasn't yeah i was just concerned there was a typo there because i wasn't

[3:38:47] Voice 14: sure um otherwise um thank you for the work i don't have any questions

[3:38:53] Voice 4: that's just a language

[3:38:54] Voice 17: yeah basically this is just a follow-up to the development

[3:38:57] Voice 17: variance permit that we did this recently giving and then the subdivisions

[3:39:12] Voice 17: The

[3:39:13] Voice 16: LTC wave, the 10% frontage, yeah, it's part of a variance permit, that's in the staff report,

[3:39:18] Voice 16: but now we actually need this covenant to ensure that the second subdivision of the lands

[3:39:25] Voice 16: doesn't exceed the RR1 zoning regulation, so the covenant has to be updated.

[3:39:31] Voice 4: right and as i understand that the covenant is basically quite simple it's actually found on

[3:39:37] Voice 4: page 45 and it's two sentences it says that after law 20 has been subbed by the new shall not be

[3:39:44] Voice 4: further subdivided the land shall not be further subprime in more than 14 months

[3:39:48] Voice 16: that portion of

[3:39:49] Voice 16: that document that's correct it's that simple there's a lot of pages associated with the

[3:39:54] Voice 16: section 209 yeah

[3:39:55] Voice 4: no and i read them but that seems to be that the actual covenant um as opposed to

[3:40:04] Voice 4: and it so there's nothing in this document is this registered on the six lots of the vision

[3:40:08] Voice 4: or the 14 lots uh

[3:40:10] Voice 16: right now the documents registered on both and the intent is that it

[3:40:15] Voice 16: is it is related to both so it would be registered because it must trigger the need for the 14 lots

[3:40:22] Voice 16: to also be capped when they apply for subdivision for that oh

[3:40:26] Voice 14: okay it was not okay so the reason

[3:40:30] Voice 16: it's before you today is because we only have one current subdivision application right now

[3:40:34] Voice 16: and it's for the six lots right that's the one we're processing so that's what's written this

[3:40:38] Voice 16: as a condition of subdivision right and

[3:40:43] Voice 4: then and then i

[3:40:45] Voice 16: think i think

[3:40:45] Voice 4: you indicated in your

[3:40:47] Voice 4: staff report that the the other piece of property subdivision also would that require a new

[3:40:53] Voice 4: application correct yeah

[3:40:55] Voice 16: it will be an updated it'll

[3:40:56] Voice 4: be brand new it was 17 lots of

[3:40:58] Voice 16: yeah well

[3:40:59] Voice 16: we might keep it open but we require a brand new subdivision application okay i understand

[3:41:07] Voice 4: um but although it's not technically an application uh which would it be appropriate

[3:41:12] Voice 4: for me to give the the landowner an opportunity to speak to the covenant yes so do either of you

[3:41:17] Voice 4: wish to say anything about the no i think we support the recommendation okay thank you very

[3:41:21] Voice 4: much anything further from from the uh trustees someone wants to make a motion here it's on page

[3:41:32] Voice 4: uh 36. and

[3:41:36] Voice 4: you can just take your your mask down if you're going to do it

[3:41:38] Voice 15: just so we can record the

[3:41:41] Voice 10: okay okay

[3:41:47] Voice 17: i move that the gabriel island local trust committee accept the covenant section 219

[3:41:52] Voice 17: from the registered owners of bid 027-486-500 block 20 section 8 gabriel island plan vip

[3:42:04] Voice 17: 82759 and designate two trustees of local trust committee to sign the covenant for gd

[3:42:10] Voice 17: yes you'd be 20 21.2 bracket center stays old in one minute second here second any further

[3:42:18] Voice 4: discussion from either of the trustees no no thank you i'll call the vote all in favor thank you that

[3:42:24] Voice 4: passes unanimously okay thank you for bringing that i'm guessing you'll get these two to sign

[3:42:29] Voice 4: because i'm not on the island until may again probably

[3:42:33] Voice 14: different questions okay yeah

[3:42:38] Voice 4: no that's

[3:42:39] Voice 4: why it says two two trustees and they both live here so they don't have to wait for me which is

[3:42:46] Voice 4: okay thank you

[3:42:48] Voice 4: very much uh then let's go on to the other uh covenant subdivision which is

[3:42:57] Voice 4: 7.6 which is on we're back in the main package which is 209 and trust uh sorry

[3:43:06] Voice 4: Can

[3:43:07] Voice 16: you check the Zoom to see if Brian Henning has participated in the bill?

[3:43:10] Voice 16: I

[3:43:11] Voice 4: have no participants.

[3:43:12] Voice 16: Okay, he was going to phone in.

[3:43:14] Voice 16: I

[3:43:14] Voice 4: didn't see his name pop up. If he's phoned in, I don't see him either.

[3:43:20] Voice 4: There's nobody else here.

[3:43:22] Voice 4: So this

[3:43:24] Voice 16: is a similar situation where we're asking you to authorize and sign signatories for another

[3:43:32] Voice 16: other section 219 covenant this is on the request of the ministry of transportation right as part

[3:43:37] Voice 16: of an active subdivision referral to our office and that it be a condition of subdivision of a

[3:43:45] Voice 16: three lot a three bare lot of strata locks it's intended to be registered on each of the new

[3:43:52] Voice 16: three lots to ensure that any new development triggers the recommendation for a drainage

[3:43:57] Voice 16: engineering report to be addressed and that report is included in attachment one the provincial

[3:44:04] Voice 16: approving officer is requested that it be in favor of MOTI as well as the local trust committee as

[3:44:10] Voice 16: we're the ones that do the building process and then assure the regional district of the

[3:44:15] Voice 16: Nile that the conditions of the covenant have been addressed so a version of that covenant

[3:44:24] Voice 16: it has been prepared and as the drainage report is a requirement of your land use bylaw it makes

[3:44:30] Voice 16: sense that you're privy to this covenant to ensure that it is consistent and staff's

[3:44:36] Voice 16: recommending you accept the problem any

[3:44:40] Voice 15: questions from trustee and if not it's just a twin beaches

[3:44:45] Voice 15: and there's

[3:44:49] Voice 14: no there's no proposed there's no proposed development or construction

[3:44:56] Voice 16: So it's to ensure that when and if there is redevelopment of any of those three lots that

[3:45:01] Voice 16: I triggered the engineering report.

[3:45:04] Voice 14: There's a great deal of activity happening on that lot in terms of excavating and moving.

[3:45:11] Voice 16: It's not under development permit area for commercial.

[3:45:15] Voice 15: Okay, say that again.

[3:45:16] Voice 16: That property is not part of your commercial development permit area, so it doesn't trigger

[3:45:22] Voice 16: a development permit.

[3:45:23] Voice 16: they can do alterations to the land without a need for a development

[3:45:27] Voice 4: i'd say and so it's when they

[3:45:29] Voice 4: it's when they apply for a building permit that's

[3:45:32] Voice 16: the only time it would trigger this yeah

[3:45:40] Voice 17: yes it's a subdivisible one that's being subdivided okay

[3:45:45] Voice 4: is there someone wants to make

[3:45:47] Voice 4: a motion okay i'll

[3:45:48] Voice 17: move that the gabriel island local trust committee accept the covenant with

[3:45:51] Voice 17: section 290 from the registered owners of parcel d bracket dd 401 3781 no no look

[3:46:02] Voice 4: up sorry i got

[3:46:02] Voice 4: the wrong one maybe i've got the wrong one

[3:46:04] Voice 16: sorry go

[3:46:07] Voice 4: ahead keep

[3:46:08] Voice 17: going it's on page uh two sorry

[3:46:13] Voice 17: of section 21 gabriel island the niro district paid

[3:46:17] Voice 17: 004-549-023

[3:46:19] Voice 17: to designate two trustees

[3:46:21] Voice 17: to sign the covenant

[3:46:23] Voice 17: of GB SUB

[3:46:25] Voice 17: 2019.1

[3:46:27] Voice 17: Williams and Associates

[3:46:29] Voice 17: dash 369

[3:46:31] Voice 17: very well.

[3:46:32] Voice 4: I'll second it.

[3:46:34] Voice 4: Any discussion from either?

[3:46:37] Voice 4: No?

[3:46:38] Voice 14: Okay.

[3:46:41] Voice 4: You know, some happy, but there are no

[3:46:43] Voice 4: call and vote.

[3:46:45] Voice 4: All in favor?

[3:46:52] Voice 4: Okay, that's the end of the applications, an hour, half an hour, so the next item on

[3:47:01] Voice 4: the agenda is 8.1, which is the density donation outreach program and we have a staff report

[3:47:06] Voice 4: starting on page 221 of the package over the years.

[3:47:13] Voice 16: Okay, so the purpose for this is to provide an updated project partner for your consideration,

[3:47:19] Voice 16: that demonstrates the work that has been completed to date on this program, and recommend that

[3:47:25] Voice 16: a public information package is likely required now to ensure that the benefits of the process

[3:47:32] Voice 16: for this type of future activity that residents can undertake isn't tied to the completion

[3:47:38] Voice 16: of your project for this term, and that it is an ongoing opportunity for folks to come

[3:47:43] Voice 16: forward with the request to donate a density.

[3:47:46] Voice 16: So that's the missing piece that we would like for you to consider today is that we

[3:47:52] Voice 10: formalize

[3:47:53] Voice 16: some sort of an information package that's static and available and has some longevity

[3:47:57] Voice 16: beyond this term or this particular budget cycle and project.

[3:48:03] Voice 16: So there is an attached updated project charter for your consideration of endorsement, which

[3:48:09] Voice 16: we would then upload to the project website and prepare that information package for your

[3:48:15] Voice 16: consideration in the future hopefully so that can be a digital document as well as something

[3:48:21] Voice 16: that people can pick up at the office um we would entertain an option to work with your

[3:48:27] Voice 16: housing advisor planning commission on that if that's something that you desire is to include

[3:48:31] Voice 16: them in this element or we can provide that track to you um without that consultation or engagement

[3:48:40] Voice 16: it's up to you how you'd like to proceed with that piece um and if you have any questions

[3:48:44] Voice 16: about the project to date we've had two inquiries about donations

[3:48:49] Voice 16: resulting from the webinar

[3:48:52] Voice 16: and i'm not sure what the timeline might be for discussions around how those might play out but

[3:48:59] Voice 16: it's not going to be imminent so if you have any other questions

[3:49:05] Voice 15: questions

[3:49:09] Voice 14: there's a trust programs committee uh is working through a mail-out a mail-out um

[3:49:15] Voice 14: to i think it's just certain households i'm wondering if the timing of that if it's possible

[3:49:22] Voice 14: to kind of do this at the same time to have an information package that goes out with that

[3:49:26] Voice 14: brochure of the islands trust generally and i'd also like to put forward a motion perhaps to

[3:49:31] Voice 14: to do that to all addresses within the gabriel local trust area to find out what that would cost

[3:49:37] Voice 14: because i i really think again we spoke about it earlier a lot of what we're seeing are dvps

[3:49:43] Voice 14: for work that's already done there's a lack of sort of knowledge among not just new property

[3:49:47] Voice 14: owners but um everyone really in terms of process and expectations what the trust offers this would

[3:49:53] Voice 14: be an opportunity to lower our communication costs by by doubling that so and i put forward

[3:50:01] Voice 14: a motion to the trust programs committee to what that would cost throughout the trust area but i

[3:50:05] Voice 14: also want to know from an ltc point of view what our communications budget is and whether or not

[3:50:09] Voice 14: that's something we can do

[3:50:09] Voice 16: so you do have money remaining as you see in the or actually

[3:50:14] Voice 16: maybe i'm misinterpreting that somehow but there's money

[3:50:20] Voice 6: in the project so

[3:50:21] Voice 16: i don't know if

[3:50:22] Voice 16: it's not money there was about a thousand dollars left in

[3:50:26] Voice 4: this project or in our communications

[3:50:30] Voice 16: Agenda package, but maybe it's gone. I guess. So then we have

[3:50:42] Voice 16: been back before with

[3:50:45] Voice 16: piggyback.

[3:50:52] Voice 16: That's that we'd love to do that if they have something coming

[3:50:54] Voice 16: up in the next month or two and it's appropriate, but it's up to

[3:50:58] Voice 16: that the

[3:50:59] Voice 4: mailing from tabs was about a thousand and it went to any new homeowners in the last

[3:51:07] Voice 4: year approximately they just and and then trustee pulver then we would like to expand that and i

[3:51:13] Voice 4: agree with them to include everybody because there's a lot of people who've been here a long

[3:51:18] Voice 4: time and also people more than a year that would benefit from that information as well

[3:51:23] Voice 4: out. And there's

[3:51:26] Voice 14: multiple things to mail them at the same time. This

[3:51:28] Voice 14: density donation thing,

[3:51:30] Voice 14: the promotion of it, it's very difficult to promote it and communicate anything right now.

[3:51:35] Voice 14: So I think direct mail is really turning out to be good, especially if you have the trust

[3:51:39] Voice 14: advantages, you've got the mailing address of the property owners. You're

[3:51:43] Voice 16: already way ahead

[3:51:44] Voice 16: of everyone

[3:51:45] Voice 15: else who's trying to communicate. So I think that's

[3:51:47] Voice 16: from a budgetary, that would

[3:51:48] Voice 15: be

[3:51:48] Voice 14: your most bang for your buck doing that directly.

[3:51:50] Voice 16: Yeah, we can definitely explore that

[3:51:52] Voice 16: awesome

[3:51:54] Voice 4: okay so that's great so we'll maybe we'll come to a motion from you in a moment

[3:51:59] Voice 4: in the meantime uh there are a couple of motions here related to project charter and the

[3:52:07] Voice 4: draft public information package where the planner uh asked whether you're not

[3:52:14] Voice 4: there was some desire from the ltc to have them staff work with the housing advisory planning

[3:52:20] Voice 15: Planning Commission in terms of developing that. So what do the trustees want to do? Should they make some motions?

[3:52:25] Voice 14: Yeah, I'll move that. Gabriel, I'll let the trust committee refer the information package for the density donation project to the Housing Advisory Committee.

[3:52:40] Voice 17: For what purpose? To review it.

[3:52:43] Voice 17: um for review well

[3:52:46] Voice 15: i don't think there is a public information

[3:52:48] Voice 15: right

[3:52:49] Voice 17: so

[3:52:53] Voice 15: i

[3:52:54] Voice 17: think first thing is what we want them to create the package

[3:52:59] Voice 17: are you wanting staff to work with them uh

[3:53:06] Voice 14: can we just say refer to the hapc for input

[3:53:09] Voice 14: yeah

[3:53:10] Voice 16: i think we would give them a draft package of information and the methodology for distribution

[3:53:17] Voice 16: and get some input if that's what you would like that would likely be so

[3:53:20] Voice 4: what if we did that's the

[3:53:22] Voice 4: second motion and what if we added the words and seek input from the housing advisory planning

[3:53:28] Voice 4: commission related to the contest or something so that like that motion could be as it is

[3:53:36] Voice 4: just add the last bit of the language that

[3:53:39] Voice 16: would be fine okay

[3:53:40] Voice 4: so that's so we're now

[3:53:42] Voice 15: Now

[3:53:42] Voice 4: we're at motion number two, as opposed to motion number one, which hasn't been moved yet.

[3:53:48] Voice 4: We're at motion number two, and you can add that language, and you get that sort of...

[3:53:52] Voice 4: Maybe

[3:53:53] Voice 14: I'll just combine that with the mail-out case, too.

[3:53:56] Voice 15: Okay.

[3:53:57] Voice 14: So if I could...

[3:53:58] Voice 14: The Gabriel Adler Trust Committee requests staff to prepare a draft public information package

[3:54:02] Voice 14: and options for distribution on the density donation outreach program

[3:54:09] Voice 14: for the housing advisory planning committee commission input and local trust committee

[3:54:22] Voice 14: yeah

[3:54:24] Voice 4: maybe you can beat it back to yours yeah okay i think yeah you know i got it

[3:54:31] Voice 3: the

[3:54:31] Voice 8: gabriel island local trust committee requests staff to prepare a draft public information

[3:54:37] Voice 8: information package and options for distribution

[3:54:40] Voice 8: on the density donation outreach program

[3:54:43] Voice 8: for the housing advisory planning commission input

[3:54:48] Voice 8: and the local trust committee review.

[3:54:51] Voice 4: Okay.

[3:54:51] Voice 4: Yeah, I got that.

[3:54:54] Voice 4: So that's good.

[3:54:55] Voice 4: Is there a seconder?

[3:54:56] Voice 4: Seconder, any further discussion?

[3:54:58] Voice 4: Thank you for that.

[3:54:59] Voice 4: If not, I'll call the vote.

[3:55:00] Voice 4: All in favor, that's fine.

[3:55:02] Voice 4: And then there's another motion here.

[3:55:04] Voice 14: Did the Gabriel Island local trust committee

[3:55:06] Voice 14: to approve the revised project charter for the density donation outreach project dated april 7

[3:55:10] Voice 14: 2022.

[3:55:11] Voice 4: very secondary to

[3:55:12] Voice 15: that okay for the discussion of the project charter yeah go

[3:55:15] Voice 15: ahead about the

[3:55:16] Voice 17: budgeting so this is we're going to be requesting there's a budget there's a legal

[3:55:22] Voice 17: review and all that that is something that's potential i guess we

[3:55:27] Voice 16: spent it sorry we spent

[3:55:29] Voice 16: your budget i think it was about there was only a thousand dollars left in your expense form this

[3:55:34] Voice 16: this agenda shows what was remaining at the end of March and February. So we did already spend

[3:55:43] Voice 16: that money for legal and for the consultation, advertising. Now there's apparently no more

[3:55:51] Voice 16: money. It doesn't carry over into this fiscal. So there is no money to spend now. So we need to

[3:55:59] Voice 16: wrap it up at the same cost. It's all in-house that we're proposing to do this.

[3:56:05] Voice 17: So the legal review

[3:56:06] Voice 17: was just basically

[3:56:07] Voice 16: unspent.

[3:56:08] Voice 16: No, we did that.

[3:56:10] Voice 16: We did do a legal review.

[3:56:10] Voice 16: Yeah, we did that.

[3:56:13] Voice 4: So I'm just a little curious with the same question.

[3:56:16] Voice 4: If you look at 223, page 223, it says $1,000 for materials,

[3:56:21] Voice 4: $500 for mapping, $2,500 for legal review,

[3:56:24] Voice 4: and then which totals $4,000, and then it says total $8,000.

[3:56:29] Voice 4: And I'm wondering where the other $4,000 is.

[3:56:31] Voice 16: There was only $5,000 for this project allocated.

[3:56:34] Voice 16: so thanks for reminding me i'll update the actual number because it was really for some reason they

[3:56:42] Voice 16: never did give you eight even though that was the request it was only five really yeah well it's in

[3:56:51] Voice 16: your expense report that project budget is four thousand or five thousand we

[3:56:55] Voice 4: have to talk to the

[3:56:57] Voice 4: director because he told me he was saying no

[3:56:59] Voice 16: it never was and

[3:57:00] Voice 16: we came under and even gave him

[3:57:03] Voice 16: the world

[3:57:04] Voice 4: works in mysterious ways i

[3:57:10] Voice 16: didn't catch that either but i will amend the project charter

[3:57:14] Voice 4: so what you're saying is that any work done on this project in the next in this fiscal year

[3:57:21] Voice 4: that we're in right now is not specifically funded would have to come out of the there's

[3:57:26] Voice 4: a generic pool for funding for local trust committee projects which i think is under

[3:57:30] Voice 4: control of the director of planning so if there was some expenses you can get like

[3:57:35] Voice 16: a mail out

[3:57:37] Voice 16: they could come out of your communications budget right or um i don't know if you have another

[3:57:43] Voice 16: i don't

[3:57:48] Voice 9: think so okay but i think what um what the chair is talking about is the lgc projects

[3:57:54] Voice 9: it's cool as we call it yeah

[3:57:57] Voice 4: and it was funded at like 36 000 or something like that

[3:58:00] Voice 4: but yeah

[3:58:03] Voice 9: oh

[3:58:03] Voice 4: i thought it was three thousand dollars on average per ltc i

[3:58:08] Voice 9: think the final number was

[3:58:10] Voice 9: like 26 maybe even less for all ltc oh

[3:58:14] Voice 4: you mean it's not clear what happened on that thursday

[3:58:19] Voice 4: i'm really surprised anyway okay um sorry about that anyway uh the um anyway okay that's where

[3:58:31] Voice 4: any money that would be spent on a project like that would be from that pool okay thank you very

[3:58:36] Voice 4: much um anything further related to this particular project okay trustees anything

[3:58:43] Voice 4: No, just

[3:58:44] Voice 14: that what we just discussed would be in distribution options and cost, right?

[3:58:48] Voice 14: Thank you.

[3:58:50] Voice 4: Okay.

[3:58:51] Voice 4: The next

[3:58:52] Voice 14: thing on the

[3:58:52] Voice 4: agenda is Gabriel housing regulations in the agriculture ALR.

[3:58:57] Voice 4: There's a verbal update from someone I don't know who that's from or why that's here.

[3:59:01] Voice 4: Yeah, go ahead.

[3:59:02] Voice 16: That's here as part of this housing project.

[3:59:06] Voice 16: The only piece that we're actively working on is this density donation outreach program,

[3:59:10] Voice 16: ground but we wanted to fly for you that your land use bylaw is consistent with the recent

[3:59:15] Voice 16: change in the agricultural land permissions amendments to the land to make agriculture

[3:59:21] Voice 16: and so it is uh creating a little bit of confusion in terms of inquiries that people are making to

[3:59:29] Voice 16: our office specifically around the housing the permitted housing in the alr on parcels

[3:59:38] Voice 16: that are permitted a principal resident secondary drawing and a secondary suite in which case your

[3:59:44] Voice 16: regulations are in some cases more restrictive and then permitting something that's not even

[3:59:52] Voice 16: so um either your project list or running tally of your land use bylaw potential

[4:00:00] Voice 16: needs to capture this so we're just writing it as a course of legislative review as provincial

[4:00:06] Voice 16: regulations change our land use violence become increasingly more difficult to

[4:00:12] Voice 16: provide advice to people on in terms of taking applications and it seems like this is one that

[4:00:17] Voice 16: would need to be addressed

[4:00:18] Voice 6: as

[4:00:20] Voice 16: part of our suite of updates and improvements to your land use

[4:00:24] Voice 16: pilot to address housing options again can

[4:00:28] Voice 4: we i've never ever put this can we ask to have bylaws

[4:00:33] Voice 4: that are that affect uh how the al our land is i thought the alc did that or do they have to be

[4:00:42] Voice 4: both have to allow it

[4:00:44] Voice 16: they give you a slice of the landing spider pie for those lands and they

[4:00:51] Voice 16: view authorization to regulate certain things and so you could restrict residential use of the alr

[4:00:59] Voice 16: to a certain extent but they have created more permissive more flexible housing options and it

[4:01:07] Voice 16: seems like your entire the last two terms have been about creating more options and flexibility

[4:01:11] Voice 16: so i would assume that you would want to mirror what it is that they're permitting versus being

[4:01:17] Voice 16: more restrictive so

[4:01:19] Voice 15: your recommendation is that perhaps we put this on our project list or put

[4:01:23] Voice 15: it on the list of land use bylaw there's

[4:01:26] Voice 16: nothing right now to tell people that you're aware

[4:01:32] Voice 16: we've known about it for several months and we weren't sure how this was going to be addressed

[4:01:36] Voice 16: but it does need to show up somewhere on our project list of things okay

[4:01:40] Voice 4: trustee does anybody

[4:01:41] Voice 4: Anybody want to to

[4:01:43] Voice 17: add the review of the revised ALC ALC

[4:01:51] Voice 17: rule regarding residential use on ALR land to the project list.

[4:02:02] Voice 17: I think it's important to do that together.

[4:02:04] Voice 17: We've got the mobile home and rules, which I think

[4:02:07] Voice 17: are way out of date now.

[4:02:11] Voice 4: OK, so there's been a motion.

[4:02:13] Voice 4: is there a second or not okay is there any further discussion at some point it won't be this well we

[4:02:18] Voice 4: see and they'll need to sort of prioritize those things because those sounds like it looks like

[4:02:24] Voice 4: there's a whole series of

[4:02:26] Voice 4: like smaller projects that could get finished um in a relatively short

[4:02:31] Voice 4: period of time i don't know but maybe they just make something anyway uh i'll call the vote all

[4:02:38] Voice 4: All in favor about that motion?

[4:02:40] Voice 4: Thanks, very much.

[4:02:41] Voice 4: That passes unanimously.

[4:02:44] Voice 4: Let's keep moving.

[4:02:46] Voice 4: Correspondence, there's a greetings

[4:02:48] Voice 4: from the BC Electoral Boundaries Commission.

[4:02:50] Voice 4: This is just to make public aware

[4:02:52] Voice 4: that there is this commission going on.

[4:02:55] Voice 4: There's no specific action asked for.

[4:02:58] Voice 17: Then you can provide some input.

[4:03:01] Voice 17: I didn't really speak today,

[4:03:03] Voice 17: Commissioner Lanier and then I did a

[4:03:06] Voice 4: very good job.

[4:03:07] Voice 4: yeah no i meant no

[4:03:08] Voice 4: there's no action by the lgc but this is here just because it's a good way to

[4:03:12] Voice 4: publicize what's going on uh we have a letter and a petition from the um uh speed limit on

[4:03:21] Voice 4: berry point road i don't know i've had

[4:03:23] Voice 17: contacts with them and we go back and forth with them and

[4:03:27] Voice 17: they've approached the highways and they've approached us i mean basically they're wanting

[4:03:33] Voice 17: to change the speed rule to to the degree that the standard is not it doesn't mean the standard like

[4:03:44] Voice 17: we can go down to 50 kilometers an hour on both roads and 30 kilometers an hour don't be allowed

[4:03:51] Voice 17: for parks and schools but i think there may be a potential to actually try to approach the ministry

[4:04:01] Voice 17: It may be something that we trust and that we as a district need to do is to support

[4:04:06] Voice 17: and try to get our efforts to speed up.

[4:04:09] It is a narrow road, especially that one has, in fact right now it has a slowed, I recommend

[4:04:15] it to

[4:04:15] Voice 17: be a 20 mile an hour one curve.

[4:04:19] Voice 17: Anyway, I'm going to do some more investigation with the ministry about the possibilities.

[4:04:27] Voice 15: Is there anything further that you want

[4:04:29] Voice 17: to ask me about this today?

[4:04:30] Voice 17: Dave, I think you'll be able to hear

[4:04:32] Voice 14: it or not.

[4:04:33] Voice 14: Yeah, I think we had meetings early on with the Ministry of Transportation regional staff

[4:04:37] Voice 14: and Vanessa Craig, regional director.

[4:04:39] Voice 14: I think we should have another one of those.

[4:04:40] Voice 14: The residents along Chichester, which is broken up into three parts, are also requesting some

[4:04:44] Voice 14: road name changes.

[4:04:46] Voice 14: And the fire department, we've discussed it and also looking at confusing addresses and

[4:04:51] Voice 14: duplication of road names.

[4:04:52] Voice 14: So Degnan North, Degnan South.

[4:04:55] Voice 14: You've got first responders going to the wrong direction.

[4:04:58] Voice 14: There's a lot of deliveries going to wrong places.

[4:04:59] Voice 14: and there's been some names put forward for replacement but a process for that speed limit

[4:05:05] Voice 14: changes would have to go through yeah it's a provincial uh

[4:05:09] Voice 17: engineer i think that makes a

[4:05:11] Voice 17: decision outside of the standards as i thought that

[4:05:23] Voice 17: it's with the ministry and they don't have any authority at this point in time they

[4:05:28] Voice 14: do have a

[4:05:28] Voice 17: transportation commission and i thought maybe there was something like there but it's more of

[4:05:32] Voice 17: a service there's

[4:05:33] Voice 14: a process for speed limit changes and the local government's going to

[4:05:36] Voice 14: initiate it so i think we should have another meeting with voting next little while i'll

[4:05:41] Voice 14: reach out to vanessa craig we

[4:05:44] Voice 15: you made a motion for that or if you wanted to just go ahead and do

[4:05:48] Voice 15: it you're not asking staff to

[4:05:50] Voice 15: do anything so you

[4:05:51] Voice 4: guys want to do it that's you don't need to do

[4:05:53] Voice 4: that motion just go ahead and do it okay okay

[4:05:56] Voice 15: so that's just

[4:05:56] Voice 4: for the record uh that trustee

[4:05:58] Voice 4: line growth and and kohler will reach out to modi to meet about this and other road issues

[4:06:04] Voice 4: thanks very much

[4:06:06] Voice 4: there's no other new business uh is there anybody that has a specific climate

[4:06:10] Voice 4: change action update that you'd like to make no yes

[4:06:15] Voice 14: sorry just on that last bit of business um

[4:06:21] Voice 14: director craig's going to be meeting with modi in the next couple weeks yeah that's that's why

[4:06:26] Voice 4: good and we have a we have a protocol with modi you should get a copy of it if you haven't seen

[4:06:35] Voice 4: it before mou maybe it's in the way it doesn't

[4:06:40] Voice 14: cover speed just classification

[4:06:42] Voice 4: okay that's part

[4:06:43] Voice 4: of the issues

[4:06:44] Voice 14: that they've designated as major roads oh

[4:06:45] Voice 4: okay anyway okay but thank you for the

[4:06:48] Voice 4: update uh then we have a first nations relationship building um uh section here is there anything

[4:06:55] Voice 4: other that we haven't already spoken about that you'd like to speak to either trustee

[4:07:00] Voice 4: uh there is no trust currency report we have the applications report which is at page 228 to

[4:07:06] Voice 4: uh are there any questions on any of the applications that are on that list

[4:07:12] Voice 16: i had an update for 2016 2016.3 sorry

[4:07:17] Voice 4: which what where's that

[4:07:18] Voice 16: dbp 2016.3

[4:07:21] Voice 4: on page 229 i

[4:07:25] Voice 16: think you would ask oh

[4:07:26] Voice 4: yes yes why i was sitting there for so long

[4:07:29] Voice 16: yeah it turns out

[4:07:30] Voice 16: the applicant requires a development permit for the rar and i think would be qualified

[4:07:35] Voice 16: environmental professional report to assess the conditions for the creek and that's what's

[4:07:40] Voice 16: outstanding yeah i mean

[4:07:44] Voice 4: i know they have a much longer list than i do but i noted when i chaired

[4:07:48] Voice 4: salt spring a couple weeks ago they actually have a standing item that they bring forward every

[4:07:53] Voice 4: if some there's been no activity on a file in six months they bring forward specific decision

[4:07:58] Voice 4: items for the local trust committee as to whether to close the file and i know occasionally our

[4:08:04] Voice 4: staff does it but they have that as a standing item on their agenda every time they consider

[4:08:09] Voice 4: whether to whether to uh inactive files i think it's called inactive files we actually closed

[4:08:15] Voice 4: three out of the four so um you might want to consider and i expressed that i'd never seen

[4:08:22] Voice 4: that before you might want to think about doing that for files that have been now granted they

[4:08:27] Voice 4: have a 17 page long applications list whereas yours is nine so this one goes back to 2016

[4:08:36] Voice 4: it does and you wonder why something's sitting there that long of course i i'm keith's we had

[4:08:43] Voice 4: one that went back 42 years um anyway if there's nothing for is there any questions from trustees

[4:08:49] Voice 4: regarding applications not then we have the application the expense report which is on

[4:08:54] Voice 4: uh page um 235 that shows the expenses for the year uh congratulations trustees you made to the

[4:09:03] Voice 4: end of february without spending a single bit of trustee money of the expenses

[4:09:08] Voice 14: zero

[4:09:22] Voice 4: you've got about two days in terms of getting your uh application your expenses in for 2021 2022.

[4:09:30] Voice 4: 22. um and by the

[4:09:33] Voice 18: way you're not the only

[4:09:34] Voice 4: ltc i got i don't know i don't get what they're scrapping

[4:09:37] Voice 4: that main island they have this 3.79 expense is the only expense under and nobody will take credit

[4:09:45] Voice 4: for where it came from i don't know where it came from adopted policies and standing resolutions

[4:09:49] Voice 4: is there anything related to that it's not from either of the trustees nothing uh then let's go

[4:09:55] Voice 4: to the top priorities report dated march 30th we have um uh two items on the agenda

[4:10:06] Voice 4: which is the ecological protection zone and the donation outreach program that's we've had an

[4:10:12] Voice 4: update on the density donation anything about that from either trustee okay

[4:10:17] Voice 17: um

[4:10:18] Voice 4: what's the potential

[4:10:25] Voice 9: I think we will be fully staffed in the next month or 2, and and so I am anticipating that

[4:10:39] Voice 16: I'm hoping that you bring that to you in June.

[4:10:42] Voice 16: our next steps june

[4:10:45] Voice 3: she said she said june

[4:10:52] Voice 4: uh that'd be great to get some traction but we probably got i want to guess five more meetings

[4:10:59] Voice 4: of this term um so it'll be great to get some traction right now you'll have to amend it

[4:11:05] Voice 17: to probably move coach marsh because there i think

[4:11:11] Voice 15: there was a lot of small part

[4:11:15] Voice 4: again

[4:11:16] Voice 4: okay so we've added we've added something to the projects list today the um uh the rural the

[4:11:24] Voice 4: agricultural land reserve uh issue and housing on an agricultural uh land anything else to discuss

[4:11:32] Voice 4: us about projects list the next not if not the next regular meeting will be i assume back in the

[4:11:38] Voice 4: the other hall on may the 12th that's not the one that's an afternoon one we've got an afternoon one

[4:11:46] Voice 4: scheduled here june is the afternoon it must be

[4:11:49] Voice 4: june this one's listed as may 12th at 10 30. i

[4:12:03] Voice 4: there any other business

[4:12:04] Voice 4: before we go to our closed meeting well either trustee no can i have

[4:12:09] Voice 4: a motion so thank you we're going to close make a motion to close the meeting now uh and uh and

[4:12:16] Voice 4: then i'll be so i'll be shutting off the broadcast in a moment as soon as the motion is made can

[4:12:20] Voice 4: someone read the motion if you don't

[4:12:22] Voice 17: have it here it

[4:12:22] Voice 4: is here i'm trying to okay i

[4:12:24] Voice 17: move that the

[4:12:25] Voice 17: immediately closed to the public in support of the community to hold part of the Division 3, Section 19, Subsection 1, D, F, and G for the purpose of considering the adoption of the camera in 18 minutes, dated November 22, 2021, F, bylaw enforcement, and G, litigation and potential litigation at the corridor of staff attending the meeting.

[4:12:51] Voice 4: Seconded.

[4:12:52] Voice 17: All

[4:12:52] Voice 4: in favour? Passes unanimously.

[4:12:55] Voice 4: Thank you very much for anyone watching the recording or on the live stream.

[4:12:58] Voice 4: We're going in camera now.

[4:13:00] Voice 4: So I'm going to end this. See you on May the 12th.

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Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date: 
Location: 
April 7, 2022 
Gabriola Arts & Heritage Centre 
476 South Road, Gabriola Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Dan Rogers, Chair 
 Kees Langereis, Local Trustee 
 Scott Colbourne, Local Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Heather Kauer, Regional Planning Manager 
 Sonja Zupanec, Island Planner 
 Teresa Mahikwa, Island Planner 
 Phil Testemale, Planner 2 
 Nadine Mourao, Recorder 
  
Others Present: There were approximately 7 (seven) members of the public and one (1) 
member of the media in attendance. 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
“Please note, the order of agenda items may be modified during the meeting. Times are provided 
for convenience only and are subject to change.” 
Chair Rogers called the meeting to order at 10:44 am, welcomed the public and introduced 
Trustees, Staff and Recorder.  Chair Rogers, Trustee Colbourne, and Trustee Langereis 
acknowledged that the meeting was being held in the territory of the Coast Salish First Nations. 
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
By general consent the agenda was approved as presented. 
3. REPORTS 
3.1 Trustee Reports 
Trustee Colbourne did not make a report. 
Trustee Langereis reported the following and his attendance at the following meetings 
and events: 
 Trust Council (TC) meeting; 
 One Book, One Community Initiative event – Five Little Indians by Michelle Good; 
 Attended Islands 2050 event; and 
 Thanked Lisa Wilcox, Senior Intergovernmental Policy Advisor for her work with 
Islands Trust. 

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3.2 Chair's Report 
Chair Rogers reported the following:  
 Attended TC meeting; and 
 Community Stewardship Awards are open for nominations 
https://islandstrust.bc.ca/programs/stewardship-awards/  
3.3 Electoral Area Director's Report 
Chair Rogers provided an overview of Vanessa Craig’s, Regional District of Nanaimo 
(RDN) Electoral Area B report and noted the following: 
 Estimates for Phase 2 have been received for Huxley Park; 
 Parks and Trails Strategy engagement process is open for feedback 
https://www.getinvolved.rdn.ca/rdnparkstrails;  
 Tiny Home initiative moves to Union of BC Municipalities (UBCM) in the Fall; 
 Electoral Area Service Committee discussed the Fuel Management Prescriptions for 
707 Community Park; 
 Regional Rainwater Management webinar and workshop; and 
 Upcoming meetings to be held in hybrid in-person and electronic formats.  
3.4 First Nation Reports 
Trustee Colbourne acknowledged the transformative work of Lisa Wilcox, Senior 
Intergovernmental Policy Advisor and wished her well in her new ventures. 
Chair Rogers noted the government to government engagement process with many First 
Nations that have historical rights to the Trust Area for the Islands 2050 Draft New Trust 
Policy Statement. 
4. TOWN HALL 
A member of the public noted their support for covenants for density donations, asked the 
Trustees to consider requesting a change of status for Gabriola in order to receive a breakdown 
of Statistics Canada data for Gabriola, requested Trustees research Bill 78 that indicated that 
Islands Trust Committees had subdivision approval capacity, noted page 18 of the Agenda, Draft 
Bylaw No. 311 should read “Gabriola Island” instead of “Thetis Island”, and felt that the owners 
of Temporary Use Permits (TUPs) should not be allowed to renew if compliance to annual fire 
inspections had not been met. 
A member of the public asked for information regarding feedback on the Great Northern 
Consultation report. 
 Trustees noted that the discussion regarding establishing an Implementation Committee to 
consider the report and next steps was deferred at the last TC meeting and will be on the 
next TC agenda for discussion. 
5. MINUTES 
5.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes dated March 3, 2022 – for adoption 
The following amendments to the minutes were presented for consideration: 
 Page 7, 11.1 Shoreline Report resolution, add the words “to the Projects List” at the 
end of the sentence.  

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By general consent the minutes of March 3, 2022 were adopted as amended. 
5.2 Section 26 Resolutions-Without-Meeting Report - none 
5.3 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes - none 
6. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
6.1 Follow-up Action List dated March 30, 2022 
  Received. 
6.2 Bylaw No. 311 - Fees Bylaw - Staff Report 
Regional Planning Manager Kauer summarized the report which asked the Local Trust 
Committee (LTC) to consider three readings of Bylaw No. 311 which would replace 
Bylaw No. 300 (LTC Fees Bylaw) and noted: 
 Reflected requests for reduced fees for affordable housing applications; 
 Provided an overview that fees were based on average costs and the rationale for 
subdivision referral fees were calculated based on lower than average costs; and 
 Four out of seven LTCs have adopted the recommendations to date. 
  Trustees noted the following points: 
 Replace “Thetis Island” with “Gabriola Island” wherever found in the bylaw; and 
 Section 2.1.1 “Development Procedures Bylaw No. 40, 1992” be replaced with 
“Development Procedures Bylaw 114, 1992.” 
GB-2022-022 
It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 311, cited as “Gabriola Island 
Local Trust Committee Fees Bylaw, 2021”, wherever noted “Thetis Island” be replaced 
with “Gabriola Island” and Section 2.1.1 “Development Procedures Bylaw No. 40, 1992” 
be replaced with “Development Procedures Bylaw 114, 1992.” 
CARRIED 
GB-2022-023 
It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 311, cited as “Gabriola Island 
Local Trust Committee Fees Bylaw, 2021”, be read a first time. 
CARRIED 
GB-2022-024 
It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 311, cited as “Gabriola Island 
Local Trust Committee Fees Bylaw, 2021”, be read a second time. 
CARRIED 
GB-2022-025 
It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 311 cited as “Gabriola Island Local 
Trust Committee Fees Bylaw, 2021”, be read a third time. 
CARRIED 

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GB-2022-026 
It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 311, cited as “Gabriola Island 
Local Trust Committee Fees Bylaw, 2021”, be forwarded to the Secretary of the Islands 
Trust for approval by the Executive Committee. 
CARRIED 
7. APPLICATIONS, REFERRALS AND BYLAWS 
7.1 GB-TUP-2020.2 (MacKay - 1016 Berry Point Road, Gabriola) - Staff Report 
Planner Mahikwa summarized the report which asked the LTC to consider Temporary 
Use Permit (TUP) for the temporary operation of a commercial vacation rental (CVR) 
with a single family dwelling and noted the following: 
 Application a result of bylaw enforcement file; 
 A TUP may be issued for a maximum of 3 years, as the applicant continued to 
actively list the cottage for vacation rental during the 25 months since Islands Trust 
Bylaw Enforcement notified them to cease until a TUP had been issued, an expiry 
date of March 31, 2023 has been recommended, at which time the applicant may 
re-apply; 
 Applicant lives adjacent to the property; 
 There are 3 active legal Short Term Vacation Rentals (STVRs) on Gabriola; 
 Received 2 pieces of correspondence with objections to vacation rentals, in support 
of long term rentals, and 2 correspondence in support; and 
 Bed and Breakfasts must be within a principal single family dwelling and not any 
accessory building, and must be run by at least one person who resides permanently 
on the subject property. 
  Discussion ensued and the following key points were noted by Trustees: 
 BC Assessment indicates one large property and does not accurately show the 
subdivision into 4 lots; and 
 Recognized the correspondence in support of long term rental stock, however, the 
Official Community Plan (OCP) allows for TUPs. 
GB-2022-027 
It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee approve the issuance of Temporary Use 
Permit GB-TUP2020.2, subject to the conditions imposed by the permit, with an expiry 
date of March 31, 2023. 
CARRIED 
7.2 GB-TUP-2022.2 (McNally - 1599 Hess Road, Gabriola) - Staff Report 
Planner Mahikwa provided an overview of the report which asked the LTC to consider 
TUP for the temporary operation of a CVR within an accessory dwelling (secondary 
suite). 
 
  The following key points were noted by Trustees: 

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 A Water Provider License may be required, it is the responsibility of the landowner 
under the Water Sustainability Act to obtain the license as a STVR is considered a 
commercial operation; and 
 Information regarding water usage is required to be posted wherever water is used 
in the dwelling. 
Applicants noted: 
 Accessory dwelling will be used for primarily family vacation use, making full term 
permanent long term rental difficult; 
 Plan to be on site anytime the dwelling is rented as a STVR; and 
 Guest house dwelling was not part of the long term rental pool at any time, the 
applicants lived in the dwelling while building their new primary dwelling. 
GB-2022-028 
It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee approve the issuance of Temporary Use 
Permit GB-TUP-2022.2 for three (3) years from the date of issuance, subject to the 
conditions imposed by the permit. 
CARRIED 
7.3 GB-DVP-2022.1 and GB-DP-2022.1 (Gottfried-Lot 41-595 Wildwood Cres.) - Staff 
Report 
Planner Testemale provided an overview of the report for the LTC to consider a variance 
to the requirement for any structure to be sited a minimum of 1.5 metres above the 
natural boundary of any lake, stream, or wetland. The variance would permit the 
structures (a septic tank, pump chamber and piping) to be installed at an elevation of 
less than 1.5 metres above the stream Eppler Creek and noted: 
 Application for a Development Permit (DP) was the result of a bylaw enforcement 
filing; 
 Arborist assessment and Bird Nesting Survey will be undertaken by the applicant 
 The RAPR Assessment did not recommend tree replacement; 
 Drainage ditch does not connect to Eppler Creek; 
 Development Permit Variance (DVP) recommended due to topography of the land 
limits location of the septic system; 
 Dwelling shifted to higher topography and does not require variance; 
 Staff anticipate little to no impact for neighbouring properties; and 
 One piece of correspondence and verbal confirmation received from neighbouring 
properties indicating no objections to the DP and DVP. 
Trustees noted their support of combined DP and DVP applications and interested in 
educational communications for public on processes to develop their lots. 
 
GB-2022-029 
It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Development Permit 
GB-DP-2022.1 (Gottfried). 
CARRIED 

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GB-2022-030 
It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Development 
Variance Permit GB-DVP-2022.1 (Gottfried). 
CARRIED 
 
By general consent the meeting was recessed at 12:22 pm and reconvened at 12:58 pm. 
7.4 GB-RZ-2020.1 (Gabriola Housing Society) - Staff Report 
Planner Zupanec summarized the report which asked the LTC to consider amendments 
to proposed Bylaw No. 308 and noted the following points: 
 Updated proposed bylaw track changes document published to Agenda after Staff 
report completed, Staff report does not adequately reflect the extent of the 
changes to the housing agreement; 
 Bylaw has been vetted by Islands Trust and Applicant’s solicitors; and 
 Applicant is continuing to work with Snuneymuxw First Nations regarding wording 
of a housing priority statement. The LTC could amend the housing agreement in the 
future based on Snuneymuxw First Nations feedback without having to go through 
complete rezoning process, as these are considered minor administrative changes in 
terms of the scope of the agreement. 
  Discussion ensued and the following key points were noted by Trustees: 
 Housing Agreements (HA) on other islands look different than this HA, would like to 
investigate further; 
 Interested in receiving Snuneymuxw First Nations response before HA is adopted; 
 Concerned with implications of definitions of affordability based on funders’ 
requirements; 
 Requested to review the language proposed for the Galiano Affordable HA for 
consistency; 
 Supported the HA as is, if you pay for affordable housing, you get to define it; and 
 Interested in defining use and making sure units are being used for that use and in 
the location allocated for that use. 
  Applicant Ian Scott and Nancy Hetherington Peirce noted: 
 Gabriola Housing Society (GHS) to apply for next round of Community Housing 
Funding and would like to be shovel ready at the time of application; 
 Four substantive updates to the HA include: 
o HA in relation to housing efforts to deliver housing, Section 3 has been rewritten 
to not more than 30% of the Affordable Housing Units will be market affordable, 
the funder’s level of funding may affect what that looks like and would be 
brought to the LTC; 
o Article 1, Section C, Affordable rental housing eligibility; 
o New Section C, iv, now notes that the Owner is the landlord, not the Society, 
thus reducing misunderstandings; 
o Schedule “B” items 4 and 5 updates related to eligibility for tenancy for 
Qualified Occupants; 
 Will continue discussions with Snuneymuxw First nations to obtain feedback, no 
concerns have been expressed to date; 

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 Funders will require some market housing to fund the development; and 
 Affordability criteria addressed in rental rates and household income limits for 
eligibility for qualified renters. 
GB-2022-031 
It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 308 cited as “Gabriola Island 
Housing Agreement Bylaw No. 308, 2020” be amended as presented in Attachment 2 of 
the staff report dated April 7, 2022. 
CARRIED 
GB-2022-032 
It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 308 cited as “Gabriola Island 
Housing Agreement Bylaw No. 308, 2020” be given first reading. 
CARRIED 
GB-2022-033 
It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 308 cited as “Gabriola Island 
Housing Agreement Bylaw No. 308, 2020” be read a second time. 
DEFEATED 
Trustee Langereis and Chair Rogers Opposed 
GB-2022-034 
It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee request Staff to review the language 
proposed for the Galiano Island Affordable Housing agreements for consistency with 
Bylaw No. 308 cited as “Gabriola Island Housing Agreement Bylaw No. 308, 2020” 
before the Gabriola Local Trust Committee and report back at the next Gabriola Local 
Trust Committee meeting. 
CARRIED 
Trustee Colbourne Abstained 
7.5 GB-SUB-2021.2 (Centre Stage Holdings) - Staff Report 
Planner Zupanec provided an overview of the report which recommended an updated 
Section 219 covenant as a condition of subdivision of the subject property into six fee 
simple lots. 
GB-2022-035 
It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee accept a covenant under section 219 of 
the Land Title Act from the registered owners of PID: 027-086-500 Lot 20, SECTION 8, 
GABRIOLA ISLAND, NANAIMO DISTRICT, PLAN VIP82759, and designate two Trustees of 
the Local Trust Committee to sign the covenant for GB-SUB-2021.2 (Centre Stage 
Holdings Ltd). 
CARRIED 
7.6 GB-SUB-2019.1 (Williamson and Associates) - Staff Report 

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Planner Zupanec summarized the report which the Provincial Approving Officer (PAO) 
for the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure (MoTI) has requested a Section 219 
covenant as a condition of subdivision of the subject property into 3 bare land strata 
lots. The covenant is intended to be registered on each of the 3 new strata lots to 
ensure that any new development triggers the recommendations of the drainage 
engineering report and noted: 
 This was not part of the commercial DPA and only alterations to the ground are 
allowable at this time. 
GB-2022-036 
It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee accept a covenant under section 219 of 
the Land Title Act from the registered owners of PARCEL E (DD 401378I) OF SECTION 21, 
GABRIOLA ISLAND, NANAIMO DISTRICT PID: 004-549-023 and designate two Trustees of 
the Local Trust Committee to sign the covenant for GB-SUB-2019.1 (Williamson and 
Associates – 369 Berry Point Road). 
CARRIED 
8. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
8.1 Density Donation Outreach Program - Staff Report 
Planner Zupanec provided a synoptic of the updated Project Charter and summary of 
work completed to date on the Density Donation Outreach Program and recommended 
that a public information package be prepared to detail the benefits and the process for 
interested land owners to participate at any point in the future. 
Trustees noted the following key points: 
 Interested in the Density Donation Outreach Program public information package 
being included in the Trust Programs Committee’s mail out brochure, the package to 
be mailed out to all households within the area, and/or collaborating with Islands 
Trust Conservancy; and 
 Would like to refer to the Housing Advisory Planning Commission (HAPC) for input. 
GB-2022-037 
It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee approve the revised Project Charter for 
the Density Donation Outreach Project dated April 7, 2022. 
CARRIED 
GB-2022-038 
It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee request Staff to prepare a draft Public 
Information Package and options for distribution on the Density Donation Outreach 
Program for the Housing Advisory Planning Commission’s input and Local Trust 
Committee review. 
CARRIED 
8.2 Gabriola Housing Regulations in the Agricultural Land Reserve (ALR) - verbal update 

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Planner Zupanec noted that there were inconsistencies between the Land Use Bylaws 
(LUB) and the updated ALR regulations that created confusion around permitted 
housing on ALR. 
GB-2022-039 
It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that the Gabriola Island Local Trust Committee request Staff to add the review of the 
revised Agricultural Land Commission’s rules regarding residential use on Agricultural 
Land Reserve land to the Projects List. 
CARRIED 
9. DELEGATIONS - none 
10. CORRESPONDENCE 
(Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage) 
10.1 Email dated March 3, 2022 - Greetings from the BC Electoral Boundaries Commission 
  Received. 
10.2 Letter and Petition dated February 27, 2022 from P. Cook regarding Reduction of 
Speed Limit on Berry Point Road 
Trustees to reach out to Vanessa Craig, Regional District of Nanaimo (RDN) Electoral 
Area B and MoTI to set up meeting. 
11. NEW BUSINESS 
12. REPORTS 
12.1 Climate Change Action Update 
  Received. 
12.2 First Nations Relationship Building 
  None. 
12.3 Trust Conservancy Report – none 
  Received. 
12.4 Applications Report dated March 30, 2022 
  Received.  
12.5 Trustee and Local Expense Report dated February, 2022 
  Received. 
12.6 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions 
  Received. 
12.7 Local Trust Committee Webpage 

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  No updates requested. 
13. WORK PROGRAM 
13.1 Top Priorities Report dated March 30, 2022 
  Received. 
13.2 Projects List Report dated March 30, 2022 
  Received. 
14. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
14.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 10:30 am at the 
Gabriola Arts and Heritage Centre, 476 South Road, Gabriola, BC 
15. CLOSED MEETING 
15.1 Motion to Close the Meeting 
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It was MOVED and SECONDED  
that the meeting be closed to the public in accordance with the Community Charter, 
Part 4, Division 3, s.90(1) (d), (f), and (g) for the purpose of considering (d) adoption of 
In-Camera Meeting Minutes dated November 25, 2021, (f) Bylaw Enforcement and (g) 
Litigation or potential litigation and that the recorder and staff attend the meeting. 
CARRIED 
Chair Rogers closed the meeting to the public at 2:53 pm. 
15.2 Recall to Order 
Chair Rogers recalled the meeting to order at 3:17 pm. 
15.3 Rise and Report 
 The In-camera minutes of November 25, 2021 were adopted. 
16. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 3:17 pm. 
 
 
 
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Dan Rogers, Chair 
 
Certified Correct: 
 
 
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Nadine Mourao, Recorder