North Pender Island Local Trust Committee community information meeting, April 28, 2022

[0:00:07] Voice 5: My point was the angle at which, you know, like it's, I just, I don't understand, I have trouble understanding.

[0:00:17] Trustee Patrick: We're live streaming now.

[0:00:28] Voice 15: We're back on Zoom.

[0:00:30] Voice 5: Robert?

[0:00:34] Voice 5: Okay.

[0:00:35] Trustee Patrick: Robert?

[0:00:36] Trustee Patrick: We're back on Zoom.

[0:00:40] Trustee Patrick: Nerissa's here, but really stuck.

[0:00:42] Trustee Patrick: I have one hour.

[0:00:44] Trustee Patrick: Okay.

[0:00:45] Voice 13: Let's get my mic on.

[0:00:47] Voice 13: Okay.

[0:00:49] Voice 15: All right.

[0:00:58] Trustee Patrick: Lauren, you can try logging back into zoom into the zoom link.

[0:01:04] Trustee Patrick: Take a

[0:01:05] Trustee McConchie: check and let me know if

[0:01:07] Trustee Patrick: we'll hang up but otherwise don't hang up till you're in. Are

[0:01:10] Trustee McConchie: we live streaming? We

[0:01:11] Trustee Patrick: are live streaming, we are all recording.

[0:01:21] Trustee Patrick: okay so we're on to the uh the next item on the agenda the land use bylaw review project we have

[0:01:28] Trustee Patrick: a staff report here on page 106 of the agenda package and over to uh planners doctor thank you

[0:01:35] Voice 10: um so the purpose of this report is to introduce the draft bylaw number 224 which is still very

[0:01:42] Voice 10: much a draft format and there's some items that still need to be added to the bylaw and then

[0:01:47] Voice 10: there are some points that the ltc still need to make decisions on uh three points and that's in

[0:01:54] Voice 10: the staff report but i actually want to jump ahead quickly and just talk about the timeline of the

[0:01:59] Voice 10: project and you can find that on page 109 of the agenda so currently the timeline the potential

[0:02:06] Voice 10: The potential timeline of the project is the LTC would consider first reading at the next LTC meeting in May.

[0:02:13] Voice 10: Referrals would be sent out to First Nations and agencies over spring and summer.

[0:02:19] Voice 10: Community information meetings and a public hearing could happen potentially over the summer months.

[0:02:25] Voice 10: And the LTC could consider second and third reading early in the fall in September and to EC in October.

[0:02:33] Voice 10: Now, since the land use bylaw has a OCP amendment bylaw that accompanies the LAP, it does delay

[0:02:43] Voice 10: the process of adopting the LAP, which as we know from that short-term vacation rental

[0:02:50] Voice 10: bylaw that we

[0:02:51] Voice 10: waited for for almost a year, it could significantly delay approving the

[0:02:57] Voice 10: land use bylaw.

[0:02:58] Voice 10: So, as I put two motions in front of the LTC, there's a different option the LTC can consider is to put aside the OCP amending bylaw and create a second land use bylaw that would include the items that need the enabling OCP bylaw.

[0:03:22] Voice 10: And those two items are rezoning the driftwood property from C2 to rental housing, because

[0:03:30] Voice 10: we need to include rental housing policies in the MCP.

[0:03:34] Voice 10: The second one right now is adding agriculture as a primary or principal use in the rural

[0:03:43] Voice 10: residential zone.

[0:03:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): zone

[0:03:45] Voice 10: so we can leave agriculture as a replacement in bylaw 224 but it would be included allowing

[0:03:52] Voice 10: agriculture as a principal use would actually be put in a secondary land use bylaw that would move

[0:03:58] Voice 10: along in the process with the ocp amendments okay so the benefit of that approach is potentially

[0:04:04] Voice 10: the land use bylaw 224 could be adopted sometime this fall another item the ltc could consider

[0:04:12] Voice 10: is including some of the the minor land use bylaw regulations as part of the groundwater

[0:04:18] Voice 10: sustainability project those are there's definitions there's a sistering requirement

[0:04:24] Voice 10: and also some regulations those that can be incorporated in bylaw 224 which is great because

[0:04:31] Voice 10: those could be adopted early this fall which would help the um which would just take that

[0:04:37] Voice 10: that process out of the groundwater sustainability that's one item the LTC can consider I can pause

[0:04:44] Voice 10: now if the LTC wants to discuss that first and then we can discuss the other items can

[0:04:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): I can I

[0:04:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): say back to you what I think I heard yeah okay so my understanding is that because there are two

[0:05:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): two items that are potential that are need OCP amendments to come into force that if we pull

[0:05:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): those two items out into their own separate little LUB it doesn't it's just a technical issue really

[0:05:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): to pull them into a separate issue so that they run at a different pace than the

[0:05:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): other LUB okay

[0:05:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): and all of it together still gets consolidated into what are our land use bylaws once they're

[0:05:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): past or not or however it goes okay so and we could still do on both on all of that would be

[0:05:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): our like we bring it all into first reading at the same time so our community conversations are

[0:05:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): coherent yeah

[0:05:43] Voice 14: right up through the public hearing yeah

[0:05:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): got it okay so i'm all i'm all for all that

[0:05:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): so far um the other thing that you just mentioned was pulling pieces from the groundwater

[0:05:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): water sustainability conversations that have been going on into the land use bylaw because they're

[0:06:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): related to things we're already doing or that they're just making it smoother because they

[0:06:04] Voice 15: don't require a cpm because

[0:06:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): they don't require no cpm okay i'm all for that kind of thing because

[0:06:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): that basically makes it more efficient to like just have one sort of set of conversations with

[0:06:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): the community which is what i

[0:06:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): really want to make sure we do i don't want the community to be like

[0:06:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay which project is that because we're already getting that with the trust policy statement

[0:06:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): problems, like the overlap with the trust policy statement things going on and here are local blind

[0:06:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): and it's just a timing problem, because those landed on top of each other. And that was not

[0:06:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): intended to happen. So yeah,

[0:06:36] Voice 10: we've received or I know there's comments in the community regarding

[0:06:40] Voice 10: cistern requirements, we're already starting to hear that. And so it could be easier. If we pull

[0:06:47] Voice 10: that into this process so when we do our cims then they yeah we can discuss that project they'd

[0:06:52] Voice 10: rather say no no you gotta wait until we discuss the groundwater stuff yeah so

[0:06:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): i'm definitely for

[0:06:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): that because i think it'll make our community conversations much more coherent um we can talk

[0:07:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): about the specifics of any of that kind of stuff in a sec because i have some questions but um

[0:07:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah yeah

[0:07:07] Trustee McConchie: i know i'm pro coherence so

[0:07:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah so yeah i'm good for all that

[0:07:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): the

[0:07:15] Voice 10: motions would be the two that i put before you on this piece of paper which i will

[0:07:20] Voice 10: quickly email to lauren right now look

[0:07:24] Trustee Patrick: lauren are you still on the phone

[0:07:32] Voice 2: oh

[0:07:32] Trustee Patrick: okay dear richard okay let me let you in again because then i heard talking so

[0:07:38] Voice 15: okay all right

[0:07:39] Voice 15: okay

[0:07:41] Trustee Patrick: i'm just gonna mute myself yep so you should be there just make sure you're

[0:07:47] Trustee Patrick: on mute okay yeah put yourself on mute then i'm going to hang up the phone yep

[0:07:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): you're in all

[0:07:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): right i'm going to go ahead and read in the first motion then um and these are going to get emailed

[0:08:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): to you so don't worry about capturing them

[0:08:07] Voice 15: i can't

[0:08:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): hear sorry here

[0:08:10] Voice 15: no this is here it's mute here

[0:08:28] Voice 15: here all right

[0:08:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): so these will be sent to you and just type in the chat if she can't hear

[0:08:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): all right that the north london island local trust committee incorporate the groundwater

[0:08:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): sustainability project draft land use bylaw regulations into the draft bylaw number 224.

[0:08:54] Voice 15: my second motion sorry i

[0:08:56] Voice 15: was waiting for florida sorry

[0:08:58] Trustee Patrick: i was just talking maybe no that's okay

[0:09:02] Trustee Patrick: all right sorry sorry sorry sorry making sure that you hear us okay

[0:09:16] Voice 2: that was really super quick

[0:09:17] Voice 2: you normally have a motion in my template um and that was super quick so can you tell me what item

[0:09:23] Voice 2: okay

[0:09:24] Trustee Patrick: i'm gonna mute her but i just you can't hear us

[0:09:31] Trustee Patrick: just now i

[0:09:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): can't hear you she can she can hear you if you mute her that's not the problem she's

[0:09:37] Voice 2: having here she can't

[0:09:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): hear us because the mic over there is too far away which is a different

[0:09:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): technical issue so

[0:09:42] Voice 1: if you can just get her back on the phone

[0:09:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): just let's get her back on the phone

[0:09:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): because i don't this is too disruptive okay for us as a meeting and uh okay so we have a motion

[0:09:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): on the floor i

[0:09:55] Trustee Patrick: gotta make sure i have her phone number i'm

[0:09:58] Voice 2: sorry i could hear you um the motion

[0:10:01] Voice 2: The motion went really quick.

[0:10:02] Voice 2: Someone said they were going to put it in the chat.

[0:10:04] Voice 2: I wouldn't know how to move it from the chat

[0:10:05] Voice 2: to my word document.

[0:10:07] Voice 2: So-

[0:10:08] Voice 15: Lauren,

[0:10:09] Voice 2: you should have it in your email.

[0:10:11] Voice 2: Thank you, that'll work.

[0:10:15] Voice 2: All

[0:10:15] Trustee Patrick: right, I apologize.

[0:10:19] Trustee Patrick: We have a motion on the floor.

[0:10:20] Trustee Patrick: It's been seconded by Trustee McConkie.

[0:10:22] Trustee Patrick: Any discussion?

[0:10:26] Trustee Patrick: All right, I will call the vote then.

[0:10:28] Trustee Patrick: All

[0:10:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): those in favor?

[0:10:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): Carried.

[0:10:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, that the North Penner Island Local Trust Committee

[0:10:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): direct staff to create a new land use by-law amendment

[0:10:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): to include agriculture as a principal use in the rural residential two zone and to rezone

[0:10:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay i'm going to pause this motion sounds like we're doing something new but it's not it's to

[0:10:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): move those things from the other one so i'm not going to make this motion i'm going to make a

[0:10:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): slightly different motion which is um the north pender island local trust committee direct staff

[0:10:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): to create a new land use bylaw amendment moving the agricultural as a principal use in the rural

[0:11:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): residential tube zone and the rezoning of c2 driftwood property to rental housing

[0:11:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): to this new bylaw and removing them from bylaw number 224 all

[0:11:30] Voice 15: right is there a second to that

[0:11:31] Trustee Patrick: motion well

[0:11:33] Voice 5: just making sure the minute take a motion well we'll say

[0:11:37] Voice 5: yes sure a second motion

[0:11:38] Voice 5: yes

[0:11:38] Trustee Patrick: we'll send lauren we'll email you these right is there any discussion just

[0:11:51] Trustee McConchie: just want to make

[0:11:52] Trustee McConchie: sure we're comfortable um just understanding we're removing the i'm sorry the amend your motion

[0:12:00] Trustee McConchie: can it just be read to me yeah

[0:12:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah i'm just wanting to make sure it's accurate here

[0:12:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay so the north pender island local trust committee direct staff to create a new land

[0:12:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): use bylaw amendment moving the agricultural as a principal resident use in the rural residential

[0:12:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): to zone and rezoning the c2 dripwood property to rental housing into this new bylaw and removing

[0:12:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): these items from bylaw number 224

[0:12:40] Voice 5: yep that's the motion that i seconded close so i'm just making

[0:12:43] Voice 5: sure that all right

[0:12:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): so any discussion simplicity just going for simplicity of timing so that you

[0:12:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): get the things into place that we that are like what our community decides on without a delay

[0:13:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): all right

[0:13:09] Trustee Patrick: i'll call the vote all those in favor and that carries all right

[0:13:19] Voice 10: what's next for the

[0:13:20] Voice 10: next item is going back to uh rezoning the port washington store property from uh commercial to

[0:13:27] Voice 10: to Rural Residential 2.

[0:13:29] Voice 10: The LTC received a letter from the new property owner,

[0:13:36] Voice 10: including his rationale for the rezoning.

[0:13:39] Voice 10: And the LTC at the December meeting asked

[0:13:43] Voice 10: for this information before decisions made.

[0:13:46] Voice 10: So the property owner has provided the letter

[0:13:48] Voice 10: to attach to the staff report.

[0:13:51] Voice 10: And if the LTC wishes to rezone this property,

[0:13:54] Voice 10: property there is a draft motion there for the LTC's consideration trustees

[0:14:02] Voice 15: uh

[0:14:06] Trustee McConchie: so this is about

[0:14:07] Trustee McConchie: Port Washington you know and I always like to point out in our official Community plan is a

[0:14:12] Trustee McConchie: staff report notes that the preservation of the store at Port Washington will be encouraged

[0:14:17] Trustee McConchie: because of its Heritage character it didn't work out very well

[0:14:21] Voice 5: sadly

[0:14:22] Trustee McConchie: it was a beautiful store uh

[0:14:24] Trustee McConchie: uh it's important actually a lot of our heritage properties on this island um but uh so that said

[0:14:33] Trustee McConchie: uh we've got a an application where clearly commercial expansion in the port wash area

[0:14:41] Trustee McConchie: even though port wash at one point historically from what i understand you know it was the main

[0:14:45] Trustee McConchie: drop-off uh it's named after washington grimmer and uh we're at a point where it's no longer a

[0:14:55] Trustee McConchie: a commercial place it's not a commercial center i'm not sure folks would be stoked about a bunch

[0:15:02] Trustee McConchie: of commercial businesses opening up in that neighborhood at this point parking would be

[0:15:06] Trustee McConchie: an issue so it makes sense for us to to uh go ahead with this application or sorry this rezoning

[0:15:13] Trustee McConchie: uh to rezone 1200 and 1201 port washington road from commercial 1a to rural residential 2

[0:15:19] Trustee McConchie: as part of the land use bylaw review project so i'm comfortable with that uh and uh i'm willing

[0:15:28] Trustee McConchie: to move forward is that a clear direction i'm not sure if you have any thoughts yeah

[0:15:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): i'm comfortable

[0:15:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): with that i guess one of the questions i have about it is if it's rezoned um into this new

[0:15:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): zoning is any development there still open to community conversation like if there is some

[0:15:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): kind of development put on that site is it something if

[0:15:46] Voice 14: it's zoned if it's zoned there's

[0:15:48] Voice 14: exchange to a more residential you know they could potentially build a dwelling a single family

[0:15:57] Voice 14: but given the configuration of the property they likely need a variance

[0:16:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah yeah okay so that's

[0:16:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): basically so i'm totally fine with it from that point of view because um there's a bunch of

[0:16:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): different things that are in conversation i think in that space but anything that they really want

[0:16:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): to do i think they're going to have to come back and ask the community for a bigger conversation

[0:16:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): on it which would be my concern and

[0:16:19] Voice 14: the owner's aware of that

[0:16:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah yeah i know he's actually

[0:16:21] Voice 14: planned strong up to rationalize the parking public parking yeah yeah okay

[0:16:27] Trustee McConchie: how would you

[0:16:29] Trustee McConchie: like to proceed well yeah i mean just the only obvious concern is uh the i mean my comments

[0:16:37] Trustee McConchie: aside the concern is the concentration of commercial zoning uh and that if i'm i could

[0:16:46] Trustee McConchie: correct me if i'm wrong but there is a policy that we should spread commercial land out throughout

[0:16:51] Trustee McConchie: the island but in this particular circumstance uh i'm not sure if that necessarily like i were

[0:17:01] Trustee McConchie: i'm just wondering your thoughts on that

[0:17:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah it seems to that kind of commercial zone or

[0:17:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): commercial activity i don't know if it's all properly in commercial zoning but that kind

[0:17:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): of commercial activity seems to have clustered up on on fort wash road in that area as opposed to

[0:17:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): to down by the dock and if you know there's no intent to use it that way I'd rather like remove

[0:17:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): it and if others want to have it redistributed then we can think about that but um it doesn't

[0:17:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): seem like that site is going to happen on and

[0:17:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): if the store is not there to protect specifically

[0:17:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): then I don't know I don't see a purpose and I really what we're doing right now is we're

[0:17:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): telegraphing our intent to the community once we put this into first reading and people really feel

[0:17:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): strongly about that they can come back to us and say whoa right so like we're not making

[0:17:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): the decision that it has to be that way we're putting it out like this is the idea of what

[0:17:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): it's going to be so i think that's fine i'm all happy to do that um that's uh you know yeah i

[0:17:57] Voice 10: should know that this will also need an ocp amendment as a designation we'll have to change

[0:18:02] Voice 10: from commercial to residential so it will be going through this the stream of that smaller

[0:18:07] Voice 10: yeah and

[0:18:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): so you don't need direction on that right now you can just put it into that right now

[0:18:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah yeah you need this motion now yeah

[0:18:16] Voice 10: what page is it 107. yeah nice to have a formal yeah

[0:18:23] Trustee McConchie: i'd like to make a motion that the north panoramic trust committee rezone 1200 and 1201

[0:18:27] Trustee McConchie: washington road from commercial 1a to rural residential 2 as part of the land use file

[0:18:32] Trustee McConchie: and review project is there a second yeah

[0:18:34] Trustee Patrick: trustee morrison any discussion all the vote

[0:18:38] Trustee Patrick: all those in favor carry the

[0:18:42] Voice 10: next item is rezoning the medicine beach or legalizing the use of the

[0:18:47] Voice 10: medicine beach garbage drop-off again at the december 4th meeting the ltc requested further

[0:18:52] Voice 10: information currently there's a tup legalized or authorizing the garbage drop-off so direction from

[0:19:00] Voice 10: the ltc regarding legalizing that use as part of the land use bylaw the applicants are certainly

[0:19:08] Voice 10: certainly in support of legalizing the use I still have to contact the property owner themselves to

[0:19:13] Voice 10: see if they would agree to that I'm just wondering if that's something that the LDC would want me to

[0:19:17] Voice 10: pursue further that's

[0:19:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): a good question um I again think this is one of those issues that I just

[0:19:25] Trustee Morrison (probable): really need a lot more community input so putting it into the land use bylaw right now allows us to

[0:19:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): like flag it for community input if we leave it out then we won't get community input on it so

[0:19:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): i'd rather put it into the land use bylaw as a potential shift from a tup into a legalized use

[0:19:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): and then if we get a lot of feedback about it and we can pull it out because it's the dilemma we

[0:19:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): have is like you can't comment on nothing right so it's better to have it there to be able to comment

[0:19:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): on it so yeah um and i think these matches with the decision last month of like if we put the

[0:20:01] Trustee Morrison (probable): other piece in upon bedwell harbor road like it's it's a comment like

[0:20:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): comment on the whole picture

[0:20:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): kind of issue so it would be helpful to get feedback on it

[0:20:12] Trustee McConchie: yeah i'm in support of whatever

[0:20:16] Trustee McConchie: makes that a move towards more permanent that's permanent uh service uh it's talking

[0:20:22] Trustee McConchie: about commercial land you know it's a big parking lot um it's uh it's it doesn't make people drive

[0:20:29] Trustee McConchie: around the island to go and drop off the garbage necessarily um i mean it's it's a service that uh

[0:20:35] Trustee McConchie: has been become part of the community uh so i i'm not sure if uh what you're suggesting you're

[0:20:44] Trustee McConchie: you're suggesting that the community will be able to then comment on that anything anything

[0:20:48] Trustee McConchie: so if there's

[0:20:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): any any flags of like people like no no no they will know but like from my

[0:20:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): perspective it's fine to be there okay you don't need a motion for that

[0:20:58] Voice 10: one emotion would be great

[0:20:59] Voice 10: please uh

[0:21:00] Trustee Patrick: you don't have a you don't you didn't provide

[0:21:03] Voice 10: didn't okay we can do that

[0:21:09] Trustee McConchie: i'm not sure how you want to formulate that in a motion what do you

[0:21:14] Trustee McConchie: that we keep it in as part of the land use bylaws we can hear from people no

[0:21:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): just that you keep it

[0:21:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): in yeah

[0:21:19] Trustee McConchie: just the local

[0:21:20] Voice 14: trust committee direct staff to include the use of the medicine i see

[0:21:33] Trustee McConchie: Do you want me to take a stab at it then?

[0:21:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yeah.

[0:21:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): Play

[0:21:35] Trustee McConchie: motion making?

[0:21:36] Trustee McConchie: Yeah,

[0:21:37] Trustee Patrick: I think it's going to be off that one.

[0:21:38] Trustee McConchie: I'd like to make a motion that the direct staff.

[0:21:41] Trustee Patrick: That the North Pender Island.

[0:21:42] Trustee Patrick: That

[0:21:43] Trustee McConchie: the North Pender Island.

[0:21:43] Trustee McConchie: Thank you, Chair Patrick.

[0:21:45] Trustee McConchie: The North Pender Island Local Trust Committee directs staff to incorporate the TUP uses into the land use bylaw review project.

[0:21:57] Trustee Patrick: For the Medicine Beach.

[0:21:58] Trustee McConchie: For the Medicine Beach.

[0:22:00] Trustee Patrick: Very good.

[0:22:01] Trustee Patrick: Is there a second?

[0:22:02] Trustee Patrick: second second by trustee morrison any discussion no call the vote all those in favor jerry

[0:22:10] Trustee Patrick: the next

[0:22:11] Voice 10: item no direction lauren

[0:22:13] Trustee Patrick: that's okay we're we're we've we've got that on the video

[0:22:16] Trustee Patrick: we'll get staff will help you with that motion the

[0:22:23] Voice 10: next item is not for direction but for

[0:22:25] Voice 10: information only um at the last ltc meeting the ltc gave direction to um add total floor area

[0:22:34] Voice 10: of all buildings on a lot or maximum total floor area but also include impervious material or

[0:22:42] Voice 10: surfaces to this calculation after reflection there is an issue um as you can't actually

[0:22:49] Voice 10: calculate floor area of impervious material um so what uh we worked on is actually kind of a

[0:22:58] Voice 10: combination approach so not only does the draft rural residential well draft zones that permit

[0:23:06] Voice 10: a dwelling unit include a total floor area of all buildings but we've actually still retained

[0:23:14] Voice 10: the maximum or sorry the lot coverage of 25 and that block coverage then includes the previous

[0:23:21] Voice 10: materials. So, as stated in the staff report on page 108, there is three regulations.

[0:23:28] Voice 10: As I mentioned, lot coverage that includes a paved and impervious surfaces.

[0:23:34] Voice 10: The second is total floor area of all buildings, that's dwellings, cottages, and accessory buildings with detached garages,

[0:23:42] Voice 10: is sheds um well enclosed sheds and uh the third is the maximum floor area of dwellings and

[0:23:50] Voice 10: cottages so something such as a open like woodshed um that would only be regulated by block coverage

[0:23:59] Voice 10: and then citing regulations to setbacks height and so forth

[0:24:03] Voice 15: okay

[0:24:06] Voice 10: and then one item sorry that

[0:24:09] Voice 10: we did discuss earlier was um accepting uh or having an exemption for secondary suites from the

[0:24:17] Voice 10: maximum floor of the clothing unit so the lpc can get direction to staff or informally just stating

[0:24:24] Voice 10: that i stopped to report back with an exemption and an exemption to the land use bylaw the

[0:24:29] Voice 10: secondary suites wouldn't be or

[0:24:31] Voice 10: the floor area of secondary suites wouldn't come into um are exempt

[0:24:36] Voice 10: from that poor area personally so

[0:24:39] Voice 3: you

[0:24:40] Voice 10: can have a 2500 dwelling unit plus a 900 square foot

[0:24:45] Voice 10: secondary yeah

[0:24:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): so this is where we're starting to get into weighing different sort of aspects

[0:24:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): of environment versus you know societal needs here and all those pieces so um one of the

[0:25:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): arguments that uh don brought up earlier and which i've actually myself stated numerous times is the

[0:25:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): need to have a certain amount of square footage for level buildings for elderly people especially

[0:25:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): given the new consensus numbers but uh are the census numbers um because that's something that

[0:25:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): many community members have named as we've had gone through this land use by review process that

[0:25:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): you know not everybody can manage stairs and so like how do we balance that need of people being

[0:25:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): able to have enough space on all one level with the the sort of ecological aspects of

[0:25:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): trying not to you know cut a lot of trees which we can't control tree cutting right now

[0:25:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): but you know other than through education which hopefully we'll get better at

[0:25:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): um so really what we're trying to do um to the point of like how are we making these decisions

[0:26:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): is we're trying to uh ensure that we don't have sort of the the out of character homes first of

[0:26:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): all so like we had a conflict down in um magic lake for a building that was the massing of the

[0:26:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): building was so big that a lot of neighbors in the area complained after the building was already

[0:26:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): rebuilt um so we had that one and then um the concern around buildings that are so big that if

[0:26:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): they ever became engulfed in fire that they would essentially just become massive challenges to put

[0:26:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): out and how that might spread we've had comments about um you know the footprint of buildings

[0:26:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): buildings relative to cutting up and fragmenting of ecosystems and what is the other one energy

[0:27:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): generally but that could be changed if people are energy efficient buildings so these guidelines

[0:27:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): aren't meant to say you can't build a building bigger than this they're meant to say that if you

[0:27:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): build a building bigger than these guidelines that you have to come and ask the community

[0:27:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): and you have to think with us about what that building might be um so i understand what you're

[0:27:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): saying about the impervious surfaces issue i'm wondering about um the other issues that you've

[0:27:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): brought up before ben about simplicity like is this a simple enough process and does it cover

[0:27:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): everything we need because if we're going to incorporate things like secondary suites like

[0:27:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): shifting the amount of square footage that you can have so that we do accommodate and incentivize

[0:27:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): structurally um secondary suites then i actually think there's a third column that's needed or a

[0:27:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): fourth like you know a third column of numbers needed and i would sort of lean to um that being

[0:28:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): used for a couple things like either secondary suites or like if you're going to have second

[0:28:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): second story as opposed to a first story like I want to keep the footprint no bigger than a

[0:28:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): certain amount because that's an ecological issue right so if there's going to be additional square

[0:28:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): footage that could go up right and so I don't know how to do that and I and I kind of feel like I

[0:28:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): want to just thank you um but like how do you create without getting into FSR and getting into

[0:28:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): all sorts of weird calculations that are too complicated i think for like application him

[0:28:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): for just making sure that they happen like what is a simple way to be able to add to the table

[0:28:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): so that we can actually have the same same or less potentially ecological footprint

[0:28:53] Trustee Morrison (probable): in terms of like or not ecological but like literal physical footprint on the land but

[0:28:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): still allow for more square footage in the property to accommodate for secondary suites to

[0:29:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): um you know just to incentivize people to like build a less

[0:29:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): print on the ground but have more available square footage i don't know

[0:29:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): this is the dilemma i think building envelope yeah

[0:29:20] Voice 14: massive maximum two-dimensional building

[0:29:22] Voice 14: envelope for the dwelling and then the footprint of the dwelling may not exceed a maximum well and

[0:29:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): we talked about yeah

[0:29:31] Voice 14: and that you get into the massive right then you can't simplify it well

[0:29:34] Voice 14: right right you know pushing the height limit basically thank you for special yeah

[0:29:41] Voice 15: yeah

[0:29:46] Voice 14: um so in a sense the lot coverage it has that maximum although the lot coverage 25

[0:29:52] Voice 14: is not changing in this scenario it is changing because all impervious surfaces

[0:30:00] Voice 14: a lot of coverage so there was still 25 you will now include things that were annoyed that are

[0:30:06] Voice 14: currently excluded

[0:30:07] Voice 15: right there's that which

[0:30:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): i think is fine because frankly 25 like like let's

[0:30:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): be real you and i'm glad you put the numbers in here because you know a hundred thousand square

[0:30:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): feet on uh 10 acres or more that's a lot of coverage so and on uh one to three acre it's

[0:30:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): 10 000 square feet of coverage like that's

[0:30:32] Voice 14: really it's really the magic lake size lots

[0:30:35] Voice 14: yeah okay

[0:30:40] Voice 15: and

[0:30:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): um yeah uh

[0:30:45] Voice 14: and then for secondary speeds it can be treated like some

[0:30:50] Voice 14: calculations except test districts right yeah you can just examine secondary speeds from

[0:30:55] Voice 14: like from the either the floor total four of all building like both four areas both the dwelling

[0:31:01] Voice 14: floor area and the total four area exempt secondary suites from that or you could exempt

[0:31:07] Voice 14: just

[0:31:08] Voice 15: from

[0:31:09] Voice 14: dwelling but still part of that total yeah

[0:31:14] Voice 15: yeah but then you really want to incentivize

[0:31:16] Voice 14: it yeah you really want to incentivize secondary suites and the best way to do that is exempt it

[0:31:23] Voice 14: from the company

[0:31:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): right and then does it become a loophole where people build like giant secondary

[0:31:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): secondary

[0:31:30] Voice 14: suites and then these commissioners secondary suites

[0:31:33] Trustee Patrick: are there's a maximum of 90

[0:31:35] Trustee Patrick: square meters by the building code i think or yeah i think it might have increased increased

[0:31:40] Voice 14: to 50 percent over 40 40 40 or maybe just last year um but yeah then you know you've got it's

[0:31:53] Voice 14: it's like anything right it's even when you build it you have this yeah

[0:31:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): i know people change their

[0:31:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah

[0:31:59] Voice 14: you

[0:32:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): know part of the

[0:32:01] Voice 14: rationale of secondary space right is it's flexible

[0:32:03] Voice 14: yeah right in some stage of life you rent it stage of life and then yeah

[0:32:09] Voice 15: okay

[0:32:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): um

[0:32:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): so my inclination would be to say that we should um we should figure out a way to incentivize the

[0:32:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): secondary suites because i think that's a really good move there is something we can do here around

[0:32:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): the square footage um and i'm just not sure kim how much guidance you need around that because

[0:32:34] Voice 15: i don't want

[0:32:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): to constrain you so much that you can't come up with a couple options for things

[0:32:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): okay come

[0:32:40] Voice 15: back with a couple options

[0:32:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): yeah come back with a couple questions and then um the

[0:32:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): other thing that i was thinking about from uh sort of looking at the shockingly i do do my research

[0:32:50] Trustee Morrison (probable): looking at the house sizes on pender we're we're actually these sizes that we have in here right

[0:32:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): now there are very few houses that are going to be that far out of compliance with what's here

[0:33:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): we already have a non-conforming clause that we put in this so that's not an issue

[0:33:10] Trustee Morrison (probable): you um but in terms of the 4 000 square feet that's a big house um and so i liked what you

[0:33:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): were talking about with the main island um or like what came up today with the main island thing

[0:33:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): because we've talked about that before too like what would it be to split up square footage at

[0:33:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): some point in the future like this is a first step but maybe we actually get to a point where

[0:33:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): we're saying hey like you could have two or three little cottages or something and i you know there

[0:33:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): are situations for sure where that seems reasonable um the question is like making a broad

[0:33:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): rule to say that that's going to be how it happens everywhere is a little bit more problematic yeah

[0:33:52] Voice 14: it's a little maybe late in this process no

[0:33:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): and i don't want to do that here but like in terms of

[0:33:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): leaving the square footage as it is or like simplifying it and making the last like taking

[0:34:03] Trustee Morrison (probable): the last row off and just making like three plus acres right is 3 500 and that's it like i would

[0:34:12] Trustee Morrison (probable): i would go for just having because i don't know what the rationale is frankly

[0:34:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): between three to ten and ten up like i can't just

[0:34:21] Voice 14: like the rationale originally was that

[0:34:24] Voice 14: there's so many lots that are 10 acres or just a little right because it's a 10 acre

[0:34:28] Voice 14: right yeah

[0:34:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): so i don't know any thoughts on that because i'm okay with just getting the

[0:34:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): getting rid of the bottom row too and just making it a three column if especially if we end up

[0:34:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): adding another column or

[0:34:42] Trustee Morrison (probable): any to keep it relatively simple um and you know if we get a lot of flack

[0:34:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): for that we can we can revisit it but 3500 square foot house um if you're over that uh anywhere on

[0:34:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): the island i mean that's like there's lots of people who have a second cottage and then there's

[0:35:00] Trustee Morrison (probable): additional like space on those slots because you can have that once you're three acres over because

[0:35:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): three acres are over three acres is our minimum right for a second cottage or a cottage yeah so

[0:35:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): like that seems like the rule should just apply for three acres and over because you can have a

[0:35:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): cottage you can have all of this other square footage and maybe we up the 32 000 square i guess

[0:35:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's the only issue is that if we would that second column that has a total square footage

[0:35:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): we would have to put uh that's the difference it's if you have a 10 acre lot you're dry and

[0:35:39] Trustee Morrison (probable): you have a paved driveway through it that's potentially much longer no but it's in the

[0:35:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): the call it's in the table it's in the other row yeah but am i wrong if i if we got rid of the last

[0:35:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): row that in the in the cell that has total floor area including all buildings and we're not going

[0:36:04] Trustee Morrison (probable): to have that column we would just have 25 percent block coverage

[0:36:07] Voice 14: no you'd still have that column

[0:36:08] Voice 14: you'd still have block coverage so the staff report highlighted the three yeah regulation

[0:36:14] Voice 14: block coverage total floor area and maximum floor area for just the dwelling okay

[0:36:21] Trustee Morrison (probable): total

[0:36:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): floria of all buildings so

[0:36:25] Voice 14: this floor area by definition is a building a building

[0:36:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): oh i see

[0:36:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): what you're saying i see what

[0:36:30] Trustee Morrison (probable): you're saying oh my gosh 32 000 of the actual buildings so that

[0:36:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): doesn't include driveways oh

[0:36:36] Voice 14: okay

[0:36:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): wow that's a big number so

[0:36:39] Voice 14: that big number might have come from you

[0:36:41] Voice 14: know barns yeah big properties

[0:36:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's a lot of barn okay okay um so i would just go like

[0:36:51] Trustee Morrison (probable): next to last row on that then sorry i'm talking a lot uh

[0:36:57] Trustee McConchie: i'm in support of that getting rid of

[0:36:59] Trustee McConchie: that last column on page 108 of this of the agenda row excuse me uh i am the only question i have is

[0:37:09] Trustee McConchie: i mean like we're opening up the island to some density right like i mean we're

[0:37:16] Trustee McConchie: we're increasing secondary suites we're we're opening up you know uh we're we're also just

[0:37:26] Trustee McConchie: opening up making the size of cottages larger um we're rezoning the back of the driftwood to

[0:37:33] Trustee McConchie: rental housing we're having a discussion about allowing rvs as as homes i mean it's like

[0:37:40] Trustee McConchie: like we are increasing density our our concern i have is the island's infrastructure i'm not sure

[0:37:48] Trustee McConchie: like we're still stuck in 1991 right we don't really have a carrying capacity in place on this

[0:37:56] Trustee McConchie: island or how to have even a discussion about that you know i always hear the people say on

[0:38:01] Trustee McConchie: bermuda there's 10 million people or whatever you know what i get it we're fine i don't worry about

[0:38:06] Trustee McConchie: but we do we do have we do to take this into consideration when we discuss this as a vessel

[0:38:13] Trustee McConchie: when the

[0:38:13] Trustee McConchie: thoughts come to my mind um and like i said uh you know uh to address some of the

[0:38:21] Trustee McConchie: criticisms of you know putting limitations on housing and i mean it's like trying building a

[0:38:28] Trustee McConchie: house in Saanich or in Victoria, right? It's way harder to do that in Saanich than it is

[0:38:36] Trustee McConchie: on Pender Island. And we live in the trust area, right? It's kind of, it doesn't make

[0:38:42] Trustee McConchie: much sense to me right now. So I don't think these limits we're putting on are all that

[0:38:48] Trustee McConchie: unreasonable. I think it's good governance to have a bylaw that's logical in place.

[0:38:55] Trustee McConchie: and not only that we're debating about trying to make it inexpensive for folks to come to

[0:39:00] Trustee McConchie: the trust committee to say you know what i want to build a 12 000 square foot house

[0:39:04] Trustee McConchie: you know i i think this is this is good policy it's good government so i'm in support of what

[0:39:09] Trustee McConchie: you're what you're discussing i'm not sure if it's helping this do

[0:39:12] Voice 10: you need a motion

[0:39:13] Voice 10: i think it's yeah if you

[0:39:14] Trustee McConchie: want to delete that throw

[0:39:15] Voice 10: and add the exemption for secondary suites

[0:39:18] Voice 10: i think that's helpful especially for people who read the minutes that we stand out okay

[0:39:22] Voice 10: Okay, so

[0:39:23] Trustee Morrison (probable): let me see if I can do this.

[0:39:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): Can you type it so that we have it for our reporter?

[0:39:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): Yep.

[0:39:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): So let me know when you're ready.

[0:39:33] Voice 15: Yeah.

[0:39:34] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay, so the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee

[0:39:38] Trustee Morrison (probable): direct staff to adjust the maximum floor area table

[0:39:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): by removing the last row of four hectares or greater,

[0:39:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): adding or and providing options around incentivizing secondary suites is

[0:40:14] Voice 3: there a second

[0:40:15] Voice 3: yeah i started a motion

[0:40:19] Trustee Morrison (probable): yes thank you and i think the only other thing i would say in discussion is

[0:40:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): like we have secondary suites already on the island but but there's i think only one right

[0:40:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's been built and

[0:40:32] Voice 13: sunrise drive yeah

[0:40:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): so like thinking about how we can help people do that

[0:40:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): especially given the aging population i've often thought this is one of those issues where you have

[0:40:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): more multi-generational living arrangements because you get people like with secondary

[0:40:47] Trustee Morrison (probable): suites it's hard to retrofit houses in many ways but you know at least we can just try to get new

[0:40:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): buildings right so um yeah i'm all for that great any further discussion well

[0:41:00] Voice 5: do you have any thoughts

[0:41:01] Voice 5: chair patrick

[0:41:02] Trustee Patrick: i mean you're progressing through i mean i think uh the i think we're learning you

[0:41:08] Trustee Patrick: know in salt spring we're looking at the accessory dwelling limits and then uh mains looking at the

[0:41:14] Trustee Patrick: flexible units which is all variations of one another and then it does all count back to sort

[0:41:21] Trustee Patrick: of the density question and that's um you know we have a primary residence plus a um you know

[0:41:30] Trustee Patrick: a secondary residence so to speak whether it's in the house or tiny home park behind it or you know

[0:41:35] Trustee Patrick: where you're moving that you're having some flexibility but the combination really makes

[0:41:40] Trustee Patrick: you know it counts really as one single family density unit you know but we don't have that so

[0:41:48] Trustee Patrick: it's like those are conversations you're coming to is how do we equate to that and then it's is

[0:41:53] Trustee Patrick: the use open so that people aren't just building more short-term vacation

[0:41:58] Trustee Patrick: rentals that we're making

[0:41:59] Trustee Patrick: sure that it is going toward the rental which your secondary suite does

[0:42:03] Voice 15: so you're you know you're

[0:42:05] Voice 15: you're protected in that way but we'll get more feedback all right

[0:42:17] Trustee Patrick: so any further discussion

[0:42:18] Trustee Patrick: then i'll call the vote all those in favor carry question

[0:42:23] Trustee McConchie: i had some questions over the timeline

[0:42:27] Trustee McConchie: uh the timeline right now a consideration of first reading is made is next our next ltc

[0:42:34] Trustee McConchie: formal referrals to first nations and agencies after first reading reading excuse me is may to

[0:42:40] Trustee McConchie: july uh i'm wondering if we can schedule community and information meetings before

[0:42:48] Trustee McConchie: and the public hearing like it's it's kind of summer so like because what i'm seeing is right

[0:42:54] Trustee McConchie: now uh the the work that we're doing right it's it's scheduled right now so it would be approved

[0:43:07] Trustee McConchie: approved minister approval and final adoption by early 2023. Are we kind of at the point

[0:43:12] Trustee McConchie: where we're like, there's no chance we can pass anything before before October 15?

[0:43:19] Voice 14: No, that's, that's why we suggested you pull out the provisions that require no CPM

[0:43:24] Voice 14: amendment. Then you're the bulk of the land use bylaw, there'll be a couple of sections

[0:43:29] Voice 14: say reserved or something um the housing behind the driftwood and we'll see if anyone

[0:43:35] Voice 10: can um

[0:43:38] Voice 14: sure but the bulk of the model you know a couple of sections reserved for future amendment

[0:43:43] Voice 14: um and that portion doesn't need ministerial approval

[0:43:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): assuming that there's no like radical i mean we've incorporated a ton of feedback over the

[0:43:55] Trustee Morrison (probable): last couple of years into this bylaw yeah so

[0:43:58] Voice 14: yeah i'm gonna do your point about the timeline

[0:44:01] Voice 14: yeah i think probably in june okay community information meeting or meetings sure and then

[0:44:08] Voice 14: followed by a public hearing sometime in the summer um further readings after the hearing

[0:44:14] Voice 14: probably september maybe at a special meeting yeah you

[0:44:19] Voice 14: can just get together and talk about

[0:44:20] Voice 14: what you heard well

[0:44:22] Trustee McConchie: it's it's like the problem is no matter how many ways you explain it to folks

[0:44:26] Trustee McConchie: like they're they're thinking that we're trying to push something through before we get potentially

[0:44:33] Trustee McConchie: booted from this amazing position yeah and

[0:44:36] Trustee McConchie: and but i'm more of the uh thinking that it's like

[0:44:42] Trustee McConchie: we've been doing this for like four years how many years three and a half

[0:44:46] Trustee McConchie: through a pandemic

[0:44:46] Trustee McConchie: i'm like i'm mainly thinking like well can we yeah like

[0:44:52] Trustee McConchie: let's let's wrap it

[0:44:54] Trustee McConchie: up here you know like we've how many community information meetings have we had endless zoom

[0:44:59] Trustee McConchie: meetings staring at my face right i had to turn it off because i'm sick of it so i'm just suggest

[0:45:06] Trustee McConchie: i'm just pointing that out that uh uh summertime sounds like a great idea for community information

[0:45:12] Trustee McConchie: meetings okay you

[0:45:14] Voice 10: can also put a motion to hold a special meeting in june for the information

[0:45:19] Voice 10: that said

[0:45:21] Trustee McConchie: if we get 400 people here you know at some point in i don't know september

[0:45:29] Trustee McConchie: on whatever issue let's say everyone says what are you doing with docs

[0:45:33] Trustee McConchie: whatever and there's 400 people here then i think we could probably be like well maybe let's move

[0:45:39] Trustee McConchie: that into an election issue no

[0:45:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): and what you do at that

[0:45:41] Trustee Morrison (probable): point if it's they're all dogs is you pull

[0:45:43] Trustee Morrison (probable): the dogs thing out of it and that becomes an

[0:45:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): election issue and it doesn't negate everything

[0:45:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): else right let's just

[0:45:49] Trustee Morrison (probable): pull that and you can do that amendment after first reading right that's

[0:45:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): not a problem at all all right and

[0:45:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): that's one of the reasons why i want to incorporate some of

[0:45:56] Trustee Morrison (probable): these things that potentially will actually instigate people to say hell no because then

[0:46:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): we get like super clear feedback because when it's all nebulous and it's just ideas like people don't

[0:46:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): know what to comment on but when

[0:46:09] Trustee Morrison (probable): it's like in black and white on a page they're like no or yes

[0:46:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): right like and you get much clearer feedback so i think that's part of the issue like we literally

[0:46:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): have been doing this for two years and two and a half three years and so um you know part of the

[0:46:24] Trustee Morrison (probable): issue too is the pandemic slowed this timeline radically down because we did want to actually

[0:46:29] Trustee Morrison (probable): like come back to in-person meetings and have like you know yeah we

[0:46:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): listened when people said that so

[0:46:36] Trustee McConchie: so yeah so i just hope that uh you know this discussion folks are listening that there's no

[0:46:41] Trustee McConchie: push some conspiracy to push through laws in some like machiavellian way we're probably as

[0:46:50] Trustee McConchie: transparent as any trust committee i would say i think i mean we've basically aired our underwear

[0:46:57] Trustee McConchie: here on the table well not literally but figuratively and i appreciate the dialogue

[0:47:03] Trustee McConchie: one. Thank you. Yeah.

[0:47:06] Trustee Morrison (probable): Okay. Oh, one last point. Yes, Don, you're not here. But my house does

[0:47:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): follow these two guidelines. So mine, mine, too.

[0:47:19] Trustee Patrick: It's not on this island. Okay. 1800 square foot.

[0:47:23] Trustee Patrick: Okay. So you did you want to give direction for an extra community information?

[0:47:34] Voice 14: meeting following first reading i

[0:47:37] Voice 15: make

[0:47:39] Trustee McConchie: a motion to schedule a community information meeting

[0:47:41] Trustee McConchie: following first reading of the land use bylaw review

[0:47:44] Trustee Patrick: land

[0:47:45] Trustee McConchie: use bylaw project is

[0:47:47] Trustee Patrick: there a second

[0:47:48] Trustee Patrick: second by trustee morrison any discussion call the vote all those in favor terry

[0:47:54] Trustee Patrick: okay so i see we have our groundwater people online it doesn't uh both to narissa and william

[0:48:01] Trustee Patrick: um you don't need to turn your video on because i'm the only one that can see it

[0:48:05] Trustee Patrick: so what we can hear you uh what

[0:48:07] Trustee McConchie: page are we on and what page are we

[0:48:10] Trustee McConchie: and

[0:48:10] Voice 14: just

[0:48:17] Trustee Morrison (probable): um i have to give a 15

[0:48:18] Trustee Patrick: minute warning sorry just so you know so 15

[0:48:21] Trustee Patrick: minute warning so

[0:48:22] Trustee Patrick: you have to speak fast william okay it's

[0:48:25] Voice 8: actually narissa here sorry

[0:48:27] Voice 1: go ahead and i'm here too

[0:48:29] Voice 1: yeah and

[0:48:30] Voice 8: william's here as well um but i'll um i'll start off so i think um so there are so

[0:48:37] Voice 8: before you you have um draft uh bylaw both um land use bylaw amendment um and uh and uh

[0:48:48] Voice 8: ocp amendments now i think i as i you know at the last meeting um it's sort of spoken to the

[0:48:56] Voice 8: different parts of this project. And I think it's important for us to focus on those different parts

[0:49:02] Voice 8: just so that everything is very clear to everyone. And I'm thinking that in light of the fact

[0:49:10] Voice 8: that you've now agreed to incorporate the land use bylaw, the proposed land use bylaw amendments

[0:49:19] Voice 8: amendments in with the other land use bylaw project that we focus first on that piece

[0:49:30] Voice 8: so that, you know, so that I know that I can answer any questions you might have about what's

[0:49:37] Voice 8: been proposed in the land use bylaw amendment. And then we can move on to discuss the OCP

[0:49:46] Voice 8: amendments. So, and the OCP amendments include two parts. One is just updates to objectives and

[0:49:57] Voice 8: policies, and some other updates just to kind of, that basically bring the OCP into a place where

[0:50:09] Voice 8: it is conforming with the land use suggestion, suggested amendments, as well as where things

[0:50:15] Voice 8: are at in the trust for example. I would note actually that the OCP is it's clear that in the

[0:50:24] Voice 8: last OCP review that there was a very very strong focus on groundwater so there is already a lot of

[0:50:31] Voice 8: supportive policy in there and then the third port third piece here is the development permit

[0:50:41] Voice 8: the development permit area guidelines,

[0:50:44] Voice 8: which are provided in the proposed OCP amendment.

[0:50:49] Voice 8: But we have been working on providing the maps

[0:50:54] Voice 8: of suggested boundaries and a lot of work

[0:50:59] Voice 8: has gone into that.

[0:51:00] Voice 8: William's been working very, very diligently on that piece.

[0:51:03] Voice 8: And we are at a point where we will be able

[0:51:06] Voice 8: to present it to you.

[0:51:08] Voice 8: within the next few weeks should you decide to have a special and focused meeting um on that or

[0:51:16] Voice 8: if you if you want to tuck it in with um into the next uh meeting or uh you know we can discuss what

[0:51:23] Voice 8: what options may be with respect to um how we go through both the uh guidelines and the maps and

[0:51:31] Voice 8: whether you want that discussion to happen together or whether you'd like to go through

[0:51:35] Voice 8: the guidelines today and wait to have the discussion around boundaries later but as I

[0:51:41] Voice 8: mentioned as I started off I think the first focus here should just be on understanding what's being

[0:51:48] Voice 8: proposed in the land use bylaw so basically and and getting your endorsement on that because once

[0:51:54] Voice 8: we've got that then we can move forward to moving that into the other with the other land use bylaw

[0:52:02] Voice 8: amendments and then just moving that whole process forward so the land use bylaw amendments um that

[0:52:08] Voice 8: are in in front of you contain new definitions that are related to the proof of water regulations

[0:52:14] Voice 8: and these definitions align with provincial legislation um and are the same ones that are

[0:52:21] Voice 8: being proposed for galliano and salt spring island so there'll be a lot of um consistency there which

[0:52:27] Voice 8: which is great. The two significant parts are the cistern regulations. And so the cistern

[0:52:37] Voice 8: regulations, the amendment is basically calling for cisterns to be acquired for all new builds

[0:52:48] Voice 8: and secondary suites. So this would be cisterns on the property with a minimum amount capacity of

[0:52:57] Voice 8: 18,000 liters, which is five gallons. Now I'll point out that I spent quite a bit of time trying

[0:53:10] Voice 8: to figure out the right number here. I did some calculations. There are numerous calculators out

[0:53:18] Voice 8: there around rainwater um and so this this number comes from looking thinking about uh sort of

[0:53:27] Voice 8: casual so this is non-potable right so this is thinking about garden use throughout the year

[0:53:32] Voice 8: and the potential for um emergency use um over the period of of uh you know potential

[0:53:40] Voice 8: drought period of of three months which would be when the the levels are low in the summertime

[0:53:46] Voice 8: time. I also consulted a couple of island-based architects who install cisterns to get their

[0:53:54] Voice 8: opinions on this particular number. And they seem to agree that that would be at minimum

[0:54:03] Voice 8: a good amount. And also spoke with providers of cisterns to get a sense of how big you can buy

[0:54:13] Voice 8: cistern. So since they tend to come in, you can buy sort of three, six, nine liters or liter and

[0:54:20] Voice 8: bigger cisterns. So that provides for the ability for people to have a number of cisterns in

[0:54:28] Voice 8: different locations on their property should they want to do that. We've changed the language

[0:54:33] Voice 8: around cisterns to refer to fresh water and not just rainwater. So there's an opportunity there

[0:54:41] Voice 8: to use your cistern um to uh to uh hold um groundwater so when the ground water levels are

[0:54:50] Voice 8: are um high uh you can you can collect some of that save it for for later in the year so that's

[0:54:55] Voice 8: the rationale around um cisterns and the number uh that's identified there and of course you know

[0:55:02] Voice 8: um there are obviously many benefits to cisterns um not just as a supply for water for consumption

[0:55:11] Voice 8: or for gardens, et cetera, and use on properties in that way by owners, but also when you consider

[0:55:18] Voice 8: it as a sort of a climate adaptation advantage, having more people collecting water

[0:55:26] Voice 8: in the case where there may be fires, for example. And then there are the proof of water

[0:55:36] Voice 8: subdivision regulations. So these have been these are these have been developed through a project

[0:55:46] Voice 8: for Salt Spring Island. So they are what it will be presented to the Salt Spring Island Local Trust

[0:55:51] Voice 8: Committee at their next meeting. They've been extensively reviewed by provincial staff and over

[0:55:59] Voice 8: the course of the last year plus as I understand from William and Jason and William's been primarily

[0:56:09] Voice 8: engaged William and Jason have been primarily engaged in that process so they would be able

[0:56:14] Voice 8: to answer you know William's on the line he'd be able to answer any specifics you might have about

[0:56:19] Voice 8: that process and those guidelines so that's what's contained in the land use bylaws so I think

[0:56:25] Voice 8: I think I'll just sort of pause there so we can sort of like think about entertaining questions you might have.

[0:56:35] Voice 8: And then I would suggest that that we move to you move to sort of if you're if you're good with them,

[0:56:45] Voice 8: and you move to endorse them then that'll allow us sort of a smooth um integration in terms of

[0:56:51] Voice 8: timing with the uh the other uh land use bylaw changes okay a couple quick

[0:56:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): questions um one is

[0:56:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): i don't see it so it might just be me my ability to not see it at the moment um but and it might

[0:57:07] Trustee Morrison (probable): be somewhere else too in the bylaws but um one of the things that came up in conversations with

[0:57:13] Trustee Morrison (probable): the fire department and in conversations across islands in the southern gulf islands was having

[0:57:18] Trustee Morrison (probable): some kind of attachment like some kind of ability to easily draw from the cisterns for firefighting

[0:57:26] Trustee Morrison (probable): um so so is is that just like and this is my idiocy when it comes to firefighting i'm sorry

[0:57:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): but is that like just dropping something into pump or is that actually having a fixture on the tank

[0:57:37] Trustee Morrison (probable): to be able to attach to um and i just want to know if that's in been considered in the bylaws

[0:57:44] Trustee Morrison (probable): not yet no okay so that would be something i would want to be put on the list of things to

[0:57:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): consider and i would personally really like it if we reach out to the fire department and make sure

[0:57:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): that that meets their needs because that's it's only useful for fire if we can get at it right

[0:57:59] Trustee Morrison (probable): so um and that has been something i think it was decorcy i want to say it's decorcy island

[0:58:05] Trustee Morrison (probable): they did an amazing job of locating cisterns in ways that are for fire prevention so really want

[0:58:11] Trustee Morrison (probable): to make sure we can use that water for fire prevention if we need to and then the other

[0:58:15] Trustee Morrison (probable): question that i had was related to rain water so this is all good and i'm with you on the winter

[0:58:22] Trustee Morrison (probable): pumping so that we can pump water into cisterns for drier spaces where we're getting some stress

[0:58:28] Trustee Morrison (probable): on some of the wells but when it comes to rain water and i came this might be related to you

[0:58:33] Trustee Morrison (probable): again did we it the proof of water we've always had is groundwater here did we get i know we

[0:58:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): had changed the rules recently that they'll or no that was a while back this was for commercial they

[0:58:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): changed the rules but um we do allow rain water as a proof of water right not

[0:58:50] Voice 14: unless they go through

[0:58:51] Voice 14: a variance process

[0:58:52] Trustee Morrison (probable): so is there a way for us just to put that into like what i don't even know what

[0:58:57] Trustee Morrison (probable): that looks like so here's

[0:58:58] Voice 14: the problem with the i'm willing to expand on the technical

[0:59:01] Voice 14: other geological part of it but the problem with allowing a subdivision you think about like a

[0:59:05] Voice 14: large rural property subdivide it and then you say oh we're going to provide rainwater

[0:59:11] Voice 14: but you can't capture the rainwater until the houses are built right so

[0:59:15] Voice 14: you just basically

[0:59:15] Voice 14: allow

[0:59:16] Trustee Morrison (probable): subdivision

[0:59:17] Voice 14: with some sort of covenant or something that says there must be rainwater

[0:59:20] Voice 14: catchment in the building something along those lines so basically it's incentivizing

[0:59:25] Voice 14: some dividers to get them canned down the road right

[0:59:27] Trustee Morrison (probable): and yet we are on one of the four islands

[0:59:31] Trustee Morrison (probable): in the southern gulf islands that are drying faster than everybody else so if we're planning

[0:59:35] Trustee Morrison (probable): into the future we can't depend on groundwater and it's not to say that groundwater is not

[0:59:40] Trustee Morrison (probable): working for us right now it's working for us especially in the winter right but um that was

[0:59:46] Trustee Morrison (probable): super interesting about the data that came out of a study but it's it's a strain and cisterns are

[0:59:54] Voice 8: going to

[0:59:54] Trustee Morrison (probable): help for the summer yeah current

[0:59:56] Voice 8: scientists would would and i'm not

[1:00:00] Voice 8: one and I'm not engaged in discussions all the time but I would assume that they would also

[1:00:04] Voice 8: say that we can't depend on rainwater yeah um

[1:00:08] Voice 8: and so by disallowing them uh like disallowing

[1:00:12] Voice 8: rainwater sort of outright and and um uh requiring uh um a development uh variants um for the use

[1:00:23] Voice 8: thereof it would allow for the the appropriate studies to be had at the time to facilitate

[1:00:30] Voice 8: the use of that yeah

[1:00:32] Trustee Morrison (probable): i understand what you're saying um okay i have to think about that a

[1:00:36] Trustee Morrison (probable): little bit more um and we should talk about rainwater in this area yes

[1:00:41] Trustee McConchie: before you guys

[1:00:42] Trustee McConchie: i look at the issue more like and i'm curious to know narissa or william if i can debate with

[1:00:49] Trustee McConchie: maybe not debate but ask google questions essentially what we're the the state is asking

[1:00:54] Trustee McConchie: let's let's say the islands trust is the state whatever you want to call it is make is telling

[1:00:59] Trustee McConchie: the property owner you need to build a put a cistern or you won't get a building permit

[1:01:05] Trustee McConchie: and and kind of saying like because you don't really get the fact that we got to preserve

[1:01:10] Trustee McConchie: water the state is going to enforce a rule or a bylaw on you in order for you to have a sister

[1:01:19] Trustee McConchie: even though you you might not want one or you might not think you need one you don't have that

[1:01:24] Trustee McConchie: option anymore is essentially what we're saying right

[1:01:27] Trustee McConchie: like i and i got a petition you know why

[1:01:32] Trustee McConchie: there was a petition sent to the trust committee there's a bunch of folks saying they don't want

[1:01:37] Trustee McConchie: this they don't want the government telling them you know that they need to put in a cistern on

[1:01:44] Trustee McConchie: their new bills uh you know it's got a good intent and it makes sense to have water right it's really

[1:01:50] Trustee McConchie: really expensive for some folks. And there are those concerns. So I'm curious to know,

[1:01:57] Trustee McConchie: why should the state tell property owners to put in a cistern? Why don't we leave it to the

[1:02:05] Trustee McConchie: property owners to do it themselves? Anybody?

[1:02:11] Voice 8: I mean, I would, like, you can look at all kinds

[1:02:15] Voice 8: of different regulations in that way, right? Like, you know, when I, you know, when I did

[1:02:22] Voice 8: renovations to my house i couldn't get a building permit um until i updated the sewage connection

[1:02:30] Voice 8: um and and that was very very costly and uh you know essentially we the you know the the

[1:02:39] Voice 8: government as is in a is is looking out for the the uh the community as a whole so you can see

[1:02:48] Voice 8: with respect to cisterns um there there are additional benefits for the community as a whole

[1:02:55] Voice 8: which include um the availability of water for fire um the um uh uh retaining more you know

[1:03:06] Voice 8: basically by retaining more water and using water um um and and not allowing it to run off the

[1:03:13] Voice 8: property, there's that potential to contribute to the retention of groundwater. And so there's

[1:03:21] Voice 8: other benefits. So, I mean, I guess, you know, it is a bit of a philosophical question you brought

[1:03:29] Voice 8: up. But, I mean, there are clear benefits from a community perspective, as well as an individual

[1:03:35] Voice 8: perspective. And not all individuals would choose to support community benefits. So,

[1:03:43] Voice 8: you know that's why we have rules or

[1:03:45] Trustee Morrison (probable): maybe i just add one thing i i have to take off thank you very

[1:03:48] Trustee Morrison (probable): much um for this conversation but um i would add one thing too that like allowing um like not

[1:03:58] Trustee Morrison (probable): pulling from groundwater is also a little bit more about the bigger community resource that is

[1:04:02] Trustee Morrison (probable): groundwater in the summer because we are getting increased pressure of saltwater intrusion and i

[1:04:08] Trustee Morrison (probable): worry that we're going to damage wells in ways that then we don't have fresh water so it's it's

[1:04:14] Trustee Morrison (probable): a community issue there too so cisterns help with that as well just that was

[1:04:19] Trustee Patrick: going to be my question

[1:04:20] Trustee Morrison (probable): was yes

[1:04:24] Trustee Patrick: definitely we can can we we cannot sorry thank you we can't require that a sister be all

[1:04:32] Trustee Patrick: the way because i think of a well system as the pump from a well you really should be pumping

[1:04:37] Trustee Patrick: into a cistern for the management of the well or you know the health of the aquifer but we can't

[1:04:46] Trustee Patrick: require that require

[1:04:50] Voice 14: them just just to pump that

[1:04:51] Trustee Patrick: that well no it's it's a good groundwater well

[1:04:56] Trustee Patrick: system for a house would have a small cistern not five thousand square feet but of course we

[1:05:03] Trustee Patrick: what are we talking about um gallons um you know it's like a thousand liter tank that sits as a

[1:05:09] Trustee Patrick: cistern on your pump but william knows that i'm talking about so that you're you're sipping from

[1:05:14] Trustee Patrick: your well rather than having these slugs of water removed from your well so it's a healthier way of

[1:05:20] Trustee Patrick: operating your well it's that we can't require

[1:05:24] Voice 14: right because well the domestic wells are

[1:05:29] Voice 14: essentially unregulated right we can require for the system to be installed we just can't say how

[1:05:37] Voice 14: they can say the specifics who would have that the province would have to step into that space and

[1:05:45] Voice 14: either give the authority to local governments as creatures of the province um or step into that

[1:05:53] Voice 14: space it's not required to set up a licensing regime for domestic

[1:05:56] Trustee Patrick: wells and they have enough

[1:05:58] Trustee Patrick: trouble with places no i know they have enough but but i just look to like william if you know

[1:06:04] Trustee Patrick: theoretically if that was a requirement is you know that would be a good thing or a positive

[1:06:13] Trustee Patrick: so

[1:06:15] Voice 1: um hi hi uh through the chair i'll jump in here so the um so the cistern requirements of

[1:06:22] Voice 1: just like having like we can require a cistern to be hooked up to a water source so on salt

[1:06:29] Voice 1: spring island the cottages bylaw says uh thou shall have a cistern that's hooked up to rainwater

[1:06:33] Voice 1: And so it could be that we say the cistern should be hooked up to groundwater.

[1:06:40] Voice 1: However, that's pretty restrictive because then it's likely going to be in the potable water system.

[1:06:46] Voice 1: What we're trying to get at is if someone installs a cistern that they can use it for catching non-potable rainwater,

[1:06:56] Voice 1: which is pretty cheap, and use it for watering

[1:07:00] Voice 1: and just to lower the impact on groundwater.

[1:07:04] Trustee Patrick: I understand.

[1:07:05] Trustee Patrick: Apples and oranges.

[1:07:07] Trustee Patrick: I mean, I'm talking about, you know, a well system,

[1:07:11] Trustee Patrick: a groundwater well to a domestic house.

[1:07:16] Trustee Patrick: The small cistern in that system is a benefit to the aquifer.

[1:07:21] Voice 1: A hundred percent.

[1:07:23] Voice 1: saying and and I and I've been talking with my colleagues at the province to because I Robert

[1:07:30] Voice 1: mentioned domestic well licensing which is just not on the table and so what they're looking at

[1:07:36] Voice 1: is best management practices guideline and perhaps that would be employed by not only the owners but

[1:07:44] Voice 1: by plumbers and and well installers and drillers so that could be I'll like defer to the planner

[1:07:53] Voice 1: Mayor Mrakas, I don't know if there's any other matters for if there'd be like requirements to have it hooked up directly to groundwater, but I think we wanted to make it as open as possible, but to just go to a trustee mcconkey was saying that.

[1:08:07] Voice 1: Mayor Mrakas, it's possible that.

[1:08:09] Voice 1: that someone gets the cisterns

[1:08:13] Voice 1: and they just sit on their property

[1:08:15] Voice 1: as they go through the building permit.

[1:08:17] Voice 1: And then once their building permit closes,

[1:08:19] Voice 1: they just sell the cisterns.

[1:08:20] Voice 1: And there's nothing that we can really do about that

[1:08:24] Voice 1: because we're saying it's condition of building permit,

[1:08:27] Voice 1: not ongoing operation.

[1:08:29] Voice 1: So, you know, I mean,

[1:08:31] Voice 1: a lot of the stuff we do anyways, volunteer compliance.

[1:08:34] Voice 1: So it's just signaling that it's a good thing to do.

[1:08:40] Voice 1: yeah i i'm not sure again i'll that's just like from the technical aspect of it but

[1:08:45] Voice 1: but but having having a cistern on the groundwater system is definitely best management for

[1:08:51] Voice 1: groundwater and and just one comment on on the rainwater like there there has been some

[1:08:58] Voice 1: multi-family dwellings looking at rainwater and the amount of storage to to carry rainwater over

[1:09:05] Voice 1: to the summertime or from from the summertime to the winter time with respect to the amount

[1:09:10] Voice 1: needed for subdivision part of the bylaw is this really substantial and probably beyond the scope

[1:09:19] Voice 1: of of actual use so i don't know that that's why it's difficult and that's why it's just

[1:09:25] Voice 1: easier to leave it out of the bylaw and then if it is a variance i imagine the the applicant would

[1:09:31] Voice 1: not only vary where their water comes from but try to vary the amount which would be a discretion of

[1:09:38] Voice 1: the ltc yeah right thanks

[1:09:41] Trustee Patrick: and then i guess my only other comment is is equity i want to make sure

[1:09:46] Trustee Patrick: we're not you know dumping on if someone's adding a suite that we're putting extra requirements on

[1:09:51] Trustee Patrick: to them it's really about the primary residence that is the broader broader issue and that we

[1:09:59] Trustee Patrick: to be very conscious that we're not you know having rules that are inequitable

[1:10:05] Trustee McConchie: yeah i mean i don't know it's it's interesting it is for me a philosophical discussion because

[1:10:13] Trustee McConchie: i mean imagine if you couldn't get your driver's license unless you got an electric vehicle

[1:10:17] Trustee McConchie: right but what's happening right now is people are you know smart and they're realizing whoa if

[1:10:24] Trustee McConchie: If I don't have a sister or, you know, or the cost of gas in my car is, you know, really expensive and it's not as it's not as good for the environment.

[1:10:34] Trustee McConchie: They're figuring it out on their own. This is just one, you know, direction from the trust that, you know, that people don't have an opt out clause on.

[1:10:46] Trustee McConchie: There's no there's no one can you know, we're saying for sure you've got to do something and the state thinks you're too dumb to do it yourself.

[1:10:54] Trustee McConchie: is kind of how i'm looking at this just for because i want to make sure of course it makes

[1:10:59] Trustee McConchie: sense to have a cistern on your property i mean especially if you don't have very much water

[1:11:03] Trustee McConchie: you know especially if you live in parts of the area of the island have very little water

[1:11:07] Trustee McConchie: but i'm still not convinced right now that the state needs to come in and dictate to people

[1:11:13] Trustee McConchie: whether or not they should have a cistern or not it does

[1:11:16] Trustee Patrick: make people think when you're you know

[1:11:18] Trustee Patrick: planning a house and the cost of planning your house you don't factor that in you're going to

[1:11:23] Trustee Patrick: cut it out because it's a optional expense there you sell do it i

[1:11:29] Trustee McConchie: don't think i understand your

[1:11:30] Trustee Patrick: argument but it's like we're always going to have choices when we're when we're building a house do

[1:11:34] Trustee Patrick: i put more expensive finish or i do this or that um it's it becomes part of the package of providing

[1:11:42] Trustee Patrick: uh cisterns and i think overall from a community benefit the argument is that it's you know to have

[1:11:49] Trustee Patrick: more cisterns it is difficult when we can't say how it's to be like so the example i was giving

[1:11:54] Trustee Patrick: about connecting it to a well that's a no-brainer that should be required you know because any

[1:12:00] Trustee Patrick: i'm seeing people leave that out they're building a house and they're leaving the cistern out on

[1:12:05] Trustee Patrick: their groundwater well because it costs that extra you have to build a building but then you know

[1:12:08] Trustee Patrick: there's complications but that is better for i

[1:12:12] Trustee McConchie: know one of the one of the benefits i've found

[1:12:15] Trustee McConchie: to the groundwater sustainability project has been education you know for for sure we've had

[1:12:21] Trustee McConchie: some folks in the community you know have problems with methodology and problems with maps and etc

[1:12:27] Trustee McConchie: however it's put the conversation in the community uh about the fact that we have limited groundwater

[1:12:32] Trustee McConchie: and i mean i've known that since i was a child small child you know the toilet rules on pender

[1:12:38] Trustee McConchie: are just part of growing up here right um but you know i'm just wondering if i'm wondering if this

[1:12:48] Trustee McConchie: i'm not convinced the state needs to impose this on people building houses that people are smart

[1:12:55] Trustee McConchie: enough people are starting to understand the limitations of groundwater resources through

[1:13:00] Trustee McConchie: these education and these mapping initiatives dials trust done it that it would be almost

[1:13:06] Trustee McConchie: almost foolish for people not to put in a sister like i like i mean what a new build what are you

[1:13:11] Trustee McConchie: doing why if you're not putting on solar and you're not making your home in some sort of passive

[1:13:16] Trustee McConchie: home style and you're not building a sister and then it's kind of like well i mean you must be

[1:13:21] Trustee McConchie: building a little cabin then or whatever that you use july to august because it you know i guess

[1:13:27] Trustee McConchie: what i'm saying is i i i i believe in people's ability to understand information and make their

[1:13:35] Trustee McConchie: decisions.

[1:13:38] Voice 8: Yeah, I mean, one thing I would just sort of identify is that, you know, all of the

[1:13:45] Voice 8: islands have been experiencing a shift in demographics, and a lot of people from the

[1:13:53] Voice 8: mainland, etc., moving over to the islands, so they may not intuitively understand the

[1:14:02] Voice 8: the the the limits on on the island with respect to groundwater you know these are and these are

[1:14:09] Voice 8: limits that people have been a long time understand so you know a lot of those new

[1:14:15] Voice 8: builds are going are likely going to be people who are coming to the islands and don't have the

[1:14:20] Voice 8: don't share the same perspective yeah

[1:14:24] Trustee Patrick: no I mean I

[1:14:25] Voice 8: absolutely agree with you because I've said it's

[1:14:27] Trustee Patrick: the cistern to the groundwater wells for part of the house that is important and we can't require

[1:14:32] Trustee Patrick: require that so that's where it's crazy i

[1:14:34] Trustee McConchie: mean i guess i mean i hear you you're the

[1:14:38] Trustee McConchie: minor chadwick but it's like i mean i know lots of people that have moved here that are building

[1:14:43] Trustee McConchie: stuff that are putting in cisterns i mean i don't know my dad i just had to help my dad put in a

[1:14:48] Trustee McConchie: cistern that's an irritatingly amount of work and um and he should have done it a while ago

[1:14:54] Trustee McConchie: and he's like oh yeah i should have done this like what are you doing mcconkey you passed the

[1:14:59] Trustee McConchie: law on self-pendered or require sisters you don't have a sister that's a whole other conversation

[1:15:03] Trustee McConchie: but my i guess my point is like i

[1:15:06] Voice 15: don't

[1:15:07] Trustee McConchie: know i'm just i don't know you're looking for direction

[1:15:10] Trustee McConchie: right narissa and william and i i totally uh understand your logic but i'm just wondering

[1:15:17] Trustee McConchie: if uh we're playing a little bit too much like mother hen here uh with people's houses and

[1:15:24] Trustee McConchie: and lives i don't know i it's a big expense and then we just discovered that there's a loophole

[1:15:30] Trustee McConchie: around it where you can you know put in your cisterns and then sell the cisterns after right

[1:15:35] Trustee McConchie: so you know it really

[1:15:37] Trustee McConchie: comes down to the goodwill of people and so i i don't know i'm i'm i would

[1:15:42] Trustee McConchie: say i'm i'm not clear on my on this yet so maybe i need to discuss this further or i'm not sure

[1:15:49] Trustee McConchie: yeah

[1:15:49] Voice 14: so i guess in terms of just where we go from here do you want us to incorporate it into

[1:15:54] Voice 14: the 90s by like the similar discussion you had with the secondary students put it in and then

[1:15:58] Voice 14: you can people can comment on it you can take it out or do you want to leave it out um

[1:16:04] Trustee McConchie: well i mean

[1:16:05] Trustee McConchie: my trustee morrison's not here uh so i uh i think based on the petition i received based on some of

[1:16:15] Trustee McConchie: feedback and conversation we've had here i want to continue to discuss it and i want to it to be

[1:16:21] Trustee McConchie: part of the land use bylaw review and part of the draft um because but but i do have these concerns

[1:16:30] Trustee McConchie: that i that i'm just

[1:16:31] Trustee Patrick: they're about wanting

[1:16:32] Trustee McConchie: to bring the public attention they're valid concern

[1:16:35] Trustee Patrick: and i look at you know the size basically the average tank it's it's 2500 liters per tank

[1:16:44] Trustee Patrick: and i you know if you're i think that's a conversation you have is is starting with

[1:16:49] Trustee Patrick: one tank people typically start with one get the experience get it connected and then

[1:16:54] Trustee Patrick: you can add a second um and the crd now has a standard um design for the pad you know so you

[1:17:02] Trustee Patrick: don't have to get them at least yeah now they just have a if you build less than eight feet

[1:17:09] Trustee Patrick: feet tall or whatever it is there's a size then there's a they have a standard engineered

[1:17:14] Trustee Patrick: pre-engineered pad design so that reduces the cost of installing them

[1:17:21] Trustee McConchie: i guess i mean we're

[1:17:22] Trustee McConchie: just i'm just seeing some of this information or sorry this piece this piece of paper as far as

[1:17:29] Trustee McConchie: okay so um i'm not sure do you need a motion from us to well i'd like to kind of move over here

[1:17:40] Trustee Patrick: it's going to be a

[1:17:41] Trustee Patrick: conversation at the community information meeting

[1:17:43] Trustee Patrick: so that's it thank you

[1:17:48] Voice 15: now william did

[1:17:49] Trustee Patrick: you have anything

[1:17:49] Voice 14: else you wanted to add uh

[1:17:51] Voice 1: no i just wanted to uh just

[1:17:53] Voice 1: say that we're moving forward with the um with the um development permit area for groundwater

[1:17:59] Voice 1: water recharge um well we're we're going to be presenting a uh memorandum to you a technical

[1:18:06] Voice 1: one so you can review and um i'm just wondering uh maybe through the chair through the planner

[1:18:13] Voice 1: if that will just come to you at your next meeting or if it's possible that i could send it to the

[1:18:20] Voice 1: ltc like once it's done for like early review and i'm not sure about that early

[1:18:28] Trustee Patrick: is always good the

[1:18:29] Trustee Patrick: more time possible and included the package for the public aspect of it would be great yeah yeah

[1:18:35] Voice 8: and I think there's also a question for you um that we need to be answered um which is around

[1:18:40] Voice 8: um uh when would you like to engage in discussion around both the um the guidelines and the map and

[1:18:50] Voice 8: and the the maps that will be presented to you um do you want that to happen uh the next LTC

[1:18:58] Voice 8: see meeting would you like it to happen um in a in a separate meeting um there you know there

[1:19:04] Voice 8: there will be a you know there's there's um a lot of good information to share um around that to

[1:19:12] Voice 8: ensure that uh you have a clear understanding of uh of of what's being um suggested so i just

[1:19:19] Voice 8: wanted to put that question out to you

[1:19:21] Voice 14: was do you want to have maybe like a special meeting by zoom

[1:19:24] Voice 14: just to go over the mapping

[1:19:26] Voice 14: and the memorandum

[1:19:29] Voice 14: technical memorandum

[1:19:31] Voice 14: discussion or just bring it to the next

[1:19:33] Voice 14: meeting

[1:19:34] Voice 14: well

[1:19:35] Trustee McConchie: as our main meeting full of applications

[1:19:37] Trustee McConchie: or okay let's put it

[1:19:39] Trustee McConchie: on the main meeting

[1:19:40] Voice 8: is

[1:19:41] Trustee McConchie: that okay with you guys

[1:19:44] Trustee McConchie: yeah absolutely

[1:19:45] Voice 8: whatever works for you

[1:19:46] Voice 8: that

[1:19:47] Trustee McConchie: probably makes more sense

[1:19:50] Trustee Patrick: okay

[1:19:51] Voice 14: all

[1:19:52] Trustee Patrick: right well then thank you very

[1:19:54] Trustee Patrick: much for yeah

[1:19:55] Voice 14: thanks guys thank you very much joining

[1:19:57] Trustee Patrick: us today thank

[1:19:59] Voice 14: you thank you

[1:20:01] Trustee Patrick: i'll work through what's left here just give

[1:20:03] Voice 5: me 30 seconds

[1:20:07] Trustee Patrick: details not necessary

[1:20:26] Voice 10: the february just

[1:20:27] Voice 14: in the february agenda

[1:20:29] Voice 10: i'm just trying to figure out how a late item

[1:20:33] Trustee Patrick: it wasn't it

[1:20:34] Voice 14: wasn't it

[1:20:36] Trustee Patrick: says verbal oh if they did not provide

[1:20:40] Voice 14: a late item

[1:20:41] Trustee Patrick: it was just a verbal

[1:20:42] Trustee Patrick: discussion it was

[1:20:43] Voice 14: going to be a late item there

[1:20:45] Voice 15: was

[1:20:46] Voice 14: going to be a late item it wasn't ready in

[1:20:48] Voice 14: time, so it was just a discussion. There

[1:20:51] Trustee Patrick: was no direction being given, none.

[1:20:56] Trustee Patrick: It was sort of status of where it was.

[1:21:03] Trustee Patrick: The direction was already given before.

[1:21:06] Trustee Patrick: before. That had already been made the community

[1:21:29] Voice 15: information that was

[1:21:34] Voice 14: like that was a resolution

[1:21:35] Voice 14: resolution they passed today

[1:21:35] Voice 15: when they that's okay

[1:21:39] Voice 14: that's for the land use one it

[1:21:41] Voice 15: has to

[1:21:42] Voice 14: resolution the one right

[1:21:43] Voice 15: and so they just discussed that the systems will go on is that

[1:21:49] Voice 3: not doing

[1:21:50] Voice 15: business online today it's a public meeting it has no

[1:21:57] Trustee Patrick: they they

[1:21:58] Trustee Patrick: were two separate

[1:22:00] Trustee Patrick: processes and they'd already given direction to move forward in February the only difference was

[1:22:06] Trustee Patrick: they've come they've

[1:22:07] Voice 15: come together yes okay um

[1:22:17] Trustee Patrick: we'll go through so we have the top priorities

[1:22:21] Trustee Patrick: list and projects list i take it no changes today sorry

[1:22:31] Voice 5: just was uh distracted by

[1:22:34] Trustee McConchie: our constituents

[1:22:35] Trustee McConchie: remarks there uh i don't have any comments on the top priorities report or the projects report thank

[1:22:41] Trustee McConchie: you chair and

[1:22:41] Trustee Patrick: applications report here any questions is

[1:22:45] Trustee McConchie: there anything that we should

[1:22:46] Trustee McConchie: be alerted to that i should research and learn the 70-year history of north pender island for

[1:22:51] Trustee McConchie: robert not

[1:22:53] Voice 14: that i can think of kim anything thank you

[1:22:57] Trustee Patrick: there's the expense report here

[1:23:00] Trustee Patrick: standing resolutions so on a new business um we have your uh annual report wording here for your

[1:23:12] Trustee Patrick: If there's any changes you'd like to make to the wording that's there.

[1:23:22] Trustee Patrick: No,

[1:23:23] Trustee McConchie: that report looks very methodical and robotic, and it's perfect.

[1:23:28] Trustee McConchie: Thank you.

[1:23:29] Trustee Patrick: Yeah, we got a little unsalt spring.

[1:23:31] Trustee Patrick: We told them it was too robotic and wanted them to be a little bit more descriptive.

[1:23:36] Trustee Patrick: That's okay.

[1:23:36] Trustee Patrick: You're happy with that?

[1:23:37] Trustee Patrick: Do you need a motion then?

[1:23:39] Voice 14: It's actually in the agenda.

[1:23:41] Voice 14: Oh, sorry.

[1:23:42] Trustee Patrick: Page three.

[1:23:43] Voice 14: Page three.

[1:23:44] Voice 14: oh

[1:23:46] Trustee Patrick: no page two just

[1:23:48] Voice 14: on the top page at

[1:23:49] Trustee Patrick: the top of it you're right it's right there get my eyes

[1:23:52] Trustee Patrick: working i

[1:23:53] Trustee McConchie: make a motion that the north pimmer island local trust committee approves the format

[1:23:57] Trustee McConchie: and outline of contents for the 2021 and 2022 annual report i'll

[1:24:02] Trustee Patrick: second any discussion no all

[1:24:04] Trustee Patrick: the vote all those in favor that's carried okay next item is uh correspondence from robert benton

[1:24:14] Trustee McConchie: yeah

[1:24:14] Trustee Patrick: i was i just wanted

[1:24:15] Trustee McConchie: to uh give the floor to rob rob thanks for

[1:24:18] Trustee McConchie: enduring a long meeting i hope you learned a lot um but i wanted to uh give you the opportunity

[1:24:24] Trustee McConchie: to speak uh you had written the an email to the local trust committee and uh i wanted to put that

[1:24:31] Trustee McConchie: on the agenda for discussion today uh you also had a motion that you believe the the trust committee

[1:24:36] Trustee McConchie: should um create uh in order to um address some of the concerns you have over the definition of

[1:24:46] Trustee McConchie: recreational vehicles uh and the problems i'm just wondering maybe i'm incorrect maybe clarify

[1:24:50] Trustee McConchie: not

[1:24:51] Voice 7: so much the definition of recreational vehicles but the whole issue under the building

[1:24:57] Voice 7: permit that recreational vehicles trailers and tiny homes are not considered accommodation

[1:25:04] Voice 7: under the building permit under the bc building code and and so uh because i've while i've been

[1:25:12] Voice 7: dealing with the trust i've also been dealing with crd because of the joint jurisdiction if

[1:25:19] Voice 7: anything's going to happen in this area and it was very clear when they had a number of staff meetings

[1:25:25] Voice 7: about this from the crd's point of view that they said look you've got to change the building code

[1:25:32] Voice 7: which is a provincial responsibility there's they were their feedback to me through dave howe and

[1:25:39] Voice 7: paul grant was um the province has to do something so i thought okay well if that's the way it is

[1:25:48] that's the way it is

[1:25:48] Voice 7: um and um so what the um crd for the southern gulf islands has got a housing

[1:25:58] Voice 7: report that's going to their next meeting in early may may 8th or something and it's going to be a

[1:26:03] Voice 7: lot of statistics and trying to update the problem i'm going to ask permission to speak at that book

[1:26:11] Voice 7: and read my 180 seconds and i'm just going to say the same thing um you know if this issue is going

[1:26:19] Voice 7: to be dealt with let's you pass a motion to request the province to take a look at this whole

[1:26:28] Voice 7: issue of whether you're going to change the you know the definition to to incorporate these so

[1:26:35] Voice 7: that's why i want the trust to do it as well so that assuming the crd does it i'm trying to line

[1:26:43] Voice 7: up a meeting with the attorney general who looks after housing um to say okay here's an issue

[1:26:48] Voice 7: you know there's always stuff in the press about um the province doesn't want local government to

[1:26:57] Voice 7: muck up the housing supply by too many rules regulations on this narrow specific issue you

[1:27:05] Voice 7: are causing some problems and what i'm saying is hey this is a different issue it's controversial

[1:27:13] Voice 7: there's issues with it but if if you want to deal with housing rental issues quickly cheaply this

[1:27:23] Voice 7: is one way to do it because it can you know if you change the rules then um people can bring it

[1:27:31] Voice 7: the trailer's already built and they can be just brought to an appropriate pad hooked up and people

[1:27:38] Voice 7: have got accommodation if you talk to local builders call me in two years right you know

[1:27:44] Voice 7: so i mean i'm just trying to be very pragmatic with this that this this is one way that we can

[1:27:51] Voice 7: look at this whole issue to try and bring some reasonable affordable housing to the community

[1:27:59] Voice 7: and obviously there's a whole number of issues i know a fair bit about them i've dictated a

[1:28:07] Voice 7: number of memos of things that have to be discussed that i know are going to be discussed

[1:28:12] Voice 7: what i'm trying to do is get the the three levels of government here to say okay let's let's look at

[1:28:20] Voice 7: this you know you've agreed to put it on part of your work project as part of your whole rental

[1:28:25] Voice 7: housing thing which is great i'm all for that but that what i've analyzed is a critical part

[1:28:32] Voice 7: of where this thing can go and you know because of the province says no we aren't interested i mean

[1:28:38] Voice 7: okay you're not going to be able to do anything we aren't going to be able to do anything

[1:28:43] Voice 7: but if they if they look at it and say this is worth some merit uh we've got two levels of local

[1:28:49] Voice 7: government that are saying yeah let's talk about it then it seems to me it's another

[1:28:56] Voice 7: niche area where you can bring something about you know i've been quite interested in listening

[1:29:04] Voice 7: to the whole water conversation trailers rvs tiny homes use about 30 percent as much water as a

[1:29:13] Voice 7: house just just the nature of them um so there's that kind of thing as far as the area occupied

[1:29:21] Voice 7: over the ground it's you know it's it's smaller and the quality um i don't know if any of you

[1:29:28] Voice 7: seen some of the quality of some of the latest ones they're they're amazing

[1:29:33] Voice 7: there's issues with them uh i'm not i'm not saying that's not the case but what i'm saying

[1:29:39] Voice 7: is there's a way forward here that intuitively makes some common sense it may fail in the end

[1:29:46] Voice 7: okay i don't think so but you know there's all sorts of legitimate government input on the thing

[1:29:54] Voice 7: but let's get it going let's get it going okay what i'm i'm saying is quickly

[1:30:00] Voice 7: this is why i'm asking thanks for this so

[1:30:02] Trustee McConchie: you suggested in your email that one of the most

[1:30:05] Trustee McConchie: suggested motions is um that the north panera violent local trust committee requests the bc

[1:30:11] Trustee McConchie: provincial government change the definition of accommodation under the bc building code

[1:30:15] Trustee McConchie: so that it includes recreational vehicles tiny homes and trailers further in doing doing so that

[1:30:20] Trustee McConchie: the bc provincial government liaise with local governments during this process so i've got a

[1:30:24] Trustee McConchie: couple questions about rob's potential motion here so first of all the way i look at it it's

[1:30:29] Trustee McConchie: kind of like you know we're like in the triage and there's a hemorrhaging taking place right

[1:30:35] Trustee McConchie: like there's a there's people don't have homes and it's becoming it's becoming a serious problem

[1:30:39] Trustee McConchie: people can't afford a home they can't find a doctor right now those are the big issues in

[1:30:43] Trustee McConchie: the progress um now if that so further in doing so the provincial government liaise with local

[1:30:49] Trustee McConchie: governments did what the province actually liaise with us do they even consider us a local government

[1:30:55] Trustee McConchie: like if this they

[1:30:57] Voice 14: do but they would go through an organization like

[1:31:02] Voice 14: through the

[1:31:03] Trustee McConchie: municipality yeah

[1:31:04] Voice 14: through through the union of these municipalities which

[1:31:06] Voice 14: i don't trust as part of it

[1:31:08] Trustee McConchie: i see okay

[1:31:08] Voice 14: that's that's how provincial legislation gets changed

[1:31:11] Voice 14: that's how most of the uh right okay

[1:31:17] Trustee McConchie: and you're saying dave allen crd supports yes this particular

[1:31:20] Trustee McConchie: yeah i've sent it to

[1:31:21] Voice 7: them um and i i spoke to paul brent yesterday and he's in full support and they

[1:31:28] Voice 7: give me the information to speak to you you spoke to the alternate director yeah and he gave support

[1:31:33] Voice 7: okay yeah and i i've sent it to dave yeah and i've spoken to dave a couple times and generally

[1:31:40] Voice 7: uh he's all in support let's see what can happen here

[1:31:43] Trustee McConchie: okay so then cool thanks bob so i guess the

[1:31:46] Trustee McConchie: the discussion i want to have with you chair patrick is i mean do you have any concerns about

[1:31:51] Trustee McConchie: this i mean are these like that's why i say it's stopping the hemorrhaging in a way like it's not

[1:31:58] Trustee McConchie: a year like is it are they year-round accommodations like i don't know the winter time

[1:32:02] Trustee McConchie: is that yeah

[1:32:03] Voice 14: is this not designed for you

[1:32:06] Voice 7: where

[1:32:06] Voice 14: they're not designed rvs are not designed for

[1:32:09] Voice 14: you the

[1:32:09] Voice 7: latest ones yeah

[1:32:11] Voice 14: park model homes are well

[1:32:13] Voice 7: a lot of the rvs have insulation

[1:32:15] Voice 7: installation uh full around and now you probably get an argument of about it but there's a number

[1:32:21] Voice 7: of places here in mangrove ride and stuff where where they do it but it's a good point that i

[1:32:28] Voice 7: think has to be i i can see government coming back and saying we want to we want to have this

[1:32:35] Voice 7: kind of standard i expect that but

[1:32:37] Voice 14: i don't need to distinguish between traditional recreational

[1:32:41] Voice 14: recreational vehicles which are not designed for your own use park model homes uh factory built

[1:32:48] Voice 14: and sort of csa certified there's there's no way

[1:32:52] Voice 14: to bifurcate right into those into those two

[1:32:57] Voice 14: categories where one's probably more likely to get attention from the province as potential

[1:33:05] Voice 14: potential amendments to the building code to support yeah

[1:33:08] Voice 7: i mean i appreciate that the

[1:33:11] Voice 7: province just may as you just said no this is not good enough we we aren't going to lower our

[1:33:16] Voice 7: standards and i'm i'm prepared to discuss that with them and uh and and i think there's answers

[1:33:23] Voice 7: to it but it's something that i'm quite aware of yeah but i want to get the thing going forward

[1:33:31] Voice 7: are

[1:33:31] Trustee Patrick: you aware of the bc housing's uh um what's the title of tiny homes an alternative to

[1:33:38] Trustee Patrick: conventional housing report i

[1:33:41] Voice 7: haven't seen that one

[1:33:43] Trustee Patrick: it's a 2021 document so i'd go to the bc

[1:33:46] Trustee Patrick: housing's website and read it yeah so the province already has said in there that they're they're

[1:33:50] Trustee Patrick: going to wait until the national building code has changed to recognize these tiny homes before

[1:33:57] Trustee Patrick: where they do so that's that's already been that's their recommended path that they're taking

[1:34:01] Trustee Patrick: um i can tell you our interest i'm salt spring i'm working with some manufacturers we're trying

[1:34:09] Trustee Patrick: to encourage the province to move on tiny homes on wheels not the not the rvs but the constructed

[1:34:16] Trustee Patrick: tiny homes on wheels are a reality you're probably seeing them on the island i'm seeing them all over

[1:34:21] Trustee Patrick: our island and there's

[1:34:23] Voice 7: some here too yes

[1:34:24] Trustee Patrick: so we're saying they're already here and that waiting for

[1:34:30] Trustee Patrick: this path is not not acceptable in our position we're going to be pushing the province consider

[1:34:35] Trustee Patrick: you know asking that they look at doing um dealing with tiny homes on wheels as opposed to rvs

[1:34:45] Trustee Patrick: because those are you know they're an appreciating asset there's lots of positives they don't take a

[1:34:50] Trustee Patrick: lot of footprint on ground on our islands there and like i said they're already here and lots of

[1:34:56] Trustee Patrick: them um

[1:34:57] Voice 7: and if i point out from statistics it shows uh it shows 25 um homes on pender

[1:35:06] Voice 7: um that refer to rbs and stuff because they're uh well maybe there's a couple of tiny homes i know

[1:35:12] Voice 7: I they're in existence people are living that way now right and what I'm suggesting to you

[1:35:21] Voice 7: is because they're relatively it's not low-income housing but they're relatively

[1:35:29] Voice 7: affordable that there's going to be more and more people doing it and you're if you don't

[1:35:36] Voice 7: try and deal with it now I'm suggesting it's going to become a bigger problem and that's

[1:35:41] Voice 7: why i'm suggesting let's try and talk to the province and and whatever and then you've got

[1:35:47] Voice 7: some feedback politically it it covers you in some ways that the province says we can't you

[1:35:54] Voice 7: can't do this right or if the province says okay you can do it this is what i'm trying to get at

[1:36:01] Voice 7: is is to see okay will the province do something on this because it's it's the kind of thing where

[1:36:09] Voice 7: it's new and it's different and there could be reasons why it's just not going to work

[1:36:16] Voice 7: things happen things change and what i'm saying is that this is this is something that has

[1:36:24] Voice 7: some merit to be looked at it gives uh if you allow various areas to have this you can get more

[1:36:32] Voice 7: so workers yeah

[1:36:33] Trustee McConchie: yeah no i get it so i just want to in my comments i just want to understand i

[1:36:39] Trustee McConchie: support what you're doing but there's a separate conversation about the bureaucratic machinations

[1:36:44] Trustee McConchie: to achieve housing for folks that are getting pushed out of the market due to federal and

[1:36:50] Trustee McConchie: provincial government regulations in my opinion now this the conversation over here is great yes

[1:36:57] Trustee McConchie: great idea rob thinking that we are going to help and this is awesome uh you know we want to make

[1:37:02] Trustee McConchie: sure people are taking or have homes now over here you're saying chair patrick that well the

[1:37:08] Trustee McConchie: province even if rob goes ahead and convinced gets a meeting with john morgan today and he sits him

[1:37:14] Trustee McConchie: down and then says well and then john morgan would say well actually rob thank you but we're waiting

[1:37:18] Trustee McConchie: for the ottawa to get back to us is what's happening so that's i'm kind of like okay so

[1:37:24] Trustee McConchie: even if we pass this motion which by the way is also advocacy right and so we're getting into

[1:37:31] Trustee McConchie: to Claire's department, Claire Freighter's department.

[1:37:35] Voice 14: And then we're going to have a conversation about how to be effective.

[1:37:37] Voice 14: How

[1:37:37] Trustee McConchie: to be effective at advocating.

[1:37:38] Trustee McConchie: The problem is going

[1:37:39] Voice 14: to get a letter from North Pendleton.

[1:37:41] Trustee McConchie: North Pendleton.

[1:37:41] Voice 14: Okay, thank you very much.

[1:37:43] Voice 14: Or you can be strategic, get trust counsel.

[1:37:46] Trustee McConchie: Trust counsel, pass it.

[1:37:48] Trustee McConchie: Get

[1:37:48] Voice 14: a motion on the floor.

[1:37:51] Trustee McConchie: What I'm suggesting.

[1:37:52] Trustee McConchie: I'm asking the, now we're essentially debating the politics of how to accomplish this.

[1:37:57] Voice 7: And what I'm suggesting, if we get the CRD to do it as well,

[1:38:00] Voice 7: which is a major organization,

[1:38:05] Voice 7: North Tender Trust, yeah, significantly politically,

[1:38:08] Voice 7: the CRD doing the same thing is going to raise the ante.

[1:38:13] Voice 7: And the province then has to deal with the fact

[1:38:18] Voice 7: that they're always dumping on lower levels of government

[1:38:23] Voice 7: for slowing things down, right?

[1:38:26] Voice 7: Right. And so they got to deal with that feedback that if they don't do, I mean, they could they could do a number of things.

[1:38:32] Voice 7: They could study it. They could send it to UBCM. Or what I'm suggesting is you want to try and fast track some things.

[1:38:40] Voice 7: You don't get anywhere unless you ask. Right. And I'm I'm trying to be formal and proper and polite, but try and be a bit aggressive on this and see what they say.

[1:38:51] Voice 7: you know it'll be a meeting with the attorney general he's he's not been afraid to do aggressive

[1:38:59] Voice 7: things he brought in the no-fault took on the whole bar and whacked them so anyway that's

[1:39:05] Voice 7: no

[1:39:06] Trustee McConchie: i i understand i i'm just like what i'm what i'm trying to do is

[1:39:10] Trustee McConchie: properly i'm not sure you addressed what i was suggesting like robert had a good point

[1:39:16] Trustee McConchie: that it would have more more impact if trust council passed the resolution and then it went

[1:39:22] Trustee McConchie: to ub you ubcm and so

[1:39:26] Voice 7: what about that is what i'm saying well i i agree with you okay it definitely

[1:39:31] Voice 7: would okay uh it may be the kind of thing the attorney general say i want you to go back and

[1:39:37] Voice 7: do these things okay and he may he may say that because oh that's you know he may just want it

[1:39:45] Voice 7: done that way i don't want to deal with one little weekly group that's bugging me right he may say

[1:39:50] Voice 7: that right but i i'm trying to raise the thing to the agenda and um give the coalition a chance

[1:39:59] Voice 7: to present it i know um um joy mcphail who wrote the rental report for the province i've known her

[1:40:08] Voice 7: since 1972 i've acted for her in when she's been on a charity and i've been i'm going to talk to

[1:40:16] Voice 7: her and try and get her support on this and i'm i'm i know her quite well i'm pretty sure it will

[1:40:22] Voice 7: and use that as an introduction to um spend a bit of time with the attorney general and and and

[1:40:31] Voice 7: she'll let me know rob forget it go through what robert's saying you know do it the traditional

[1:40:37] Voice 7: way or yeah come down sometime and and let's chat somewhere in between but um what i'm saying is i

[1:40:48] Voice 7: i'm asking for the support to give us a chance and see what happens and you know the second part

[1:40:55] Voice 7: of it clearly says you're going to be involved with local government or local government wants

[1:41:00] Voice 7: be involved with you and and uh anyway that's that's what i'm suggesting um you have any

[1:41:08] Voice 5: thoughts laura well

[1:41:09] Trustee Patrick: i'm um i'm i'm not certain of your question the building code can't just

[1:41:19] Trustee Patrick: define something legal accommodations as i mean i'm not you're the lawyers but you probably know

[1:41:25] Voice 1: the

[1:41:25] Trustee Patrick: end maybe if you have your um i i just don't

[1:41:29] Voice 7: well i i what i'm i'm advised through crd but

[1:41:34] Voice 7: that's what has to be done and so i'm i'm trying to get into the door and if there's a technical

[1:41:40] Voice 7: thing saying actually when's the crd having this discussion when's when is uh yeah it's the next crd

[1:41:49] Voice 7: meeting and there's a report from staff uh on southern gulf islands housing and that's why i

[1:41:57] Voice 7: really want to go then because it's well well

[1:42:00] Trustee McConchie: with with dev not here right now rob and you know

[1:42:03] Trustee McConchie: with the with the comments from robert about how to successfully go about this i'm wondering if uh

[1:42:09] Trustee McConchie: if it would be all right with you if we we tabled your motion after the may 8th crd discussion uh

[1:42:15] Trustee McConchie: in order and then uh come back with perhaps a more uh strategic plan in order to achieve this

[1:42:21] Trustee McConchie: like like robert just said i don't want the north texas them to go thanks north tender like i

[1:42:26] Trustee McConchie: it's this is an important issue and i don't want to just uh you know make a make a motion that that

[1:42:33] Trustee McConchie: will get ignored well

[1:42:35] Voice 7: i mean that's why i'll be going with the crd and and

[1:42:39] Trustee McConchie: with joint appeal yeah

[1:42:40] Trustee McConchie: but okay that's fine and perhaps we could pass his resolution or rob's suggested resolution

[1:42:47] Trustee McConchie: at the next local trust committee meeting after the crd's had its discussion and the reports come

[1:42:52] Trustee McConchie: out and after we i've discussed with robert and uh members of the executive committee on what would

[1:42:58] Trustee McConchie: be the appropriate course of action to go about this i mean we did just get this two days ago

[1:43:03] Trustee McConchie: i appreciate that um but but that said like i mean rob you're right like we have to we have to take

[1:43:13] Trustee McConchie: uh leadership in addressing concerns over the building code and how it's not being inclusive

[1:43:21] Trustee McConchie: um i just want to make sure we're going about it the right way is

[1:43:24] Voice 7: there something that uh

[1:43:25] Voice 7: to be blunt what i'm trying to do is to be able to say that crd well you got your local community

[1:43:32] Voice 7: on quality and that's why you know i've come to your yourself first to see well uh you know an

[1:43:39] Voice 7: amendment to this that fits into your concerns i appreciate you know i i thought i'll draft up

[1:43:46] Voice 7: some wording because we got something to discuss um but i'd like to be able to go to the crd and

[1:43:54] Voice 7: saying i've met with you know this trust committee and i have whatever kind of support you can give

[1:44:00] Voice 7: me because it you know it's it's it's it's building on the thing i don't want either

[1:44:06] Voice 7: either side saying well you go back to the trust now and you know so i mean i'm trying to i'm

[1:44:13] Voice 7: trying to put it together but

[1:44:15] Trustee McConchie: the crd will say well what the heck does the island's trust have

[1:44:19] Trustee McConchie: to do with the building code well no no the

[1:44:21] Voice 7: island's trust has has authority um with your

[1:44:26] Voice 7: enforcement i still got my clients waiting to find out whether they're kicked out you're part

[1:44:30] Voice 7: of the whole issue the crd on more the management side of the things as response you both have

[1:44:38] Voice 7: responsibility right and so that

[1:44:42] Trustee McConchie: that's no i hear you i don't i literally don't know what to do

[1:44:46] Trustee McConchie: because i hear

[1:44:46] Trustee McConchie: what you're saying ron i uh so

[1:44:48] Voice 14: another in terms that could be the

[1:44:50] Voice 14: the chair wants to take it to executive committee

[1:44:53] Voice 14: that would

[1:44:55] Voice 14: be effective

[1:44:56] Voice 14: yeah

[1:44:57] Trustee Patrick: I'd like to hear

[1:44:59] Trustee Patrick: I think there's some

[1:45:01] Trustee Patrick: it'd be nice to hear back from the CRD to make

[1:45:03] Trustee Patrick: sure you know we have because someone's got

[1:45:05] Trustee Patrick: to do some research

[1:45:07] Trustee Patrick: we wait and hear what the CRD

[1:45:09] Trustee Patrick: we commonly support one another

[1:45:11] Trustee Patrick: on bringing things

[1:45:12] Trustee Patrick: forward so that's we just

[1:45:15] Trustee Patrick: don't both have to do the research to

[1:45:17] Trustee Patrick: ensure

[1:45:18] Trustee Patrick: the ask is the right ask in the path that it goes on so there's a lot of benefit in hearing back

[1:45:27] Trustee Patrick: what the crd has to say um well

[1:45:30] Voice 7: i i guess what um dave howell and paul brent have said they've

[1:45:35] Voice 7: had the meeting with senior staff staff told them they can't do anything i'm just telling you what

[1:45:40] Voice 7: i was told i don't have this right but i was told orally they can't do anything unless the bc

[1:45:45] Voice 7: building code so that's why i'm pushing that that's consistent yeah

[1:45:49] Voice 7: so that that's why i'm

[1:45:52] Voice 7: focusing on that because that's the well

[1:45:54] Trustee McConchie: here bro why don't you say right now because i'm not sure

[1:45:58] Trustee McConchie: you're picking up like it's where i don't know if the committee is super comfortable passing the

[1:46:01] Trustee McConchie: most in that motion as it is yes but you can

[1:46:03] Trustee McConchie: say to the crd we had a half an hour debate about this

[1:46:07] Trustee McConchie: they're very interested in addressing this concern uh we have it's recorded in the public minutes

[1:46:12] Trustee McConchie: there the islands the trust on north pender is very interested in addressing this i i mean that's

[1:46:17] Trustee McConchie: convincing if it the 100 or uh uh yeah 180 seconds or whatever you have at the crd level yeah well

[1:46:23] Voice 7: what what what i would like to do then is if if it's okay with yourselves is to send a letter

[1:46:30] Voice 7: saying confirming that we've discussed this and that you're um

[1:46:34] Trustee McConchie: yeah i can just

[1:46:36] Trustee McConchie: call our crd

[1:46:37] Trustee McConchie: director paul brandt and i can um uh tell him what happened today well

[1:46:46] Voice 7: that's yeah that's all that

[1:46:47] Voice 7: yeah no that's that's good because i i appreciated that just because i put something out i thought

[1:46:54] Voice 7: well they may approve it but i i can appreciate i understand some of your concerns okay it's not

[1:46:59] Voice 7: it so i don't um so if you if you can call

[1:47:02] Trustee McConchie: paul i'll informally contact this crd director

[1:47:09] Trustee McConchie: and i'll mention to him that we had this conversation in an informal manner and that

[1:47:14] Trustee McConchie: we're looking forward to addressing the issue at another time at the main uh it'll be all asked

[1:47:19] Trustee McConchie: for it to be added to the main 27 26th of january okay yeah

[1:47:23] Voice 7: and you're looking forward for the

[1:47:24] Voice 7: results of the crd absolutely and

[1:47:26] Trustee Patrick: just to let you know i'm working we're working through

[1:47:29] Trustee Patrick: adam's office to david eby who's got housing in his to work on

[1:47:35] Trustee Patrick: moving toward regulatory options legalizing the construction of tiny homes yeah

[1:47:43] Voice 7: okay well i've

[1:47:44] Voice 7: been meaning to call you i know that salt spring's been doing a number of things this

[1:47:49] Trustee Patrick: is this is kind

[1:47:50] Trustee Patrick: of happening outside of the local trust committee i'm just trying to put pressure yes yes great

[1:47:57] Trustee McConchie: i appreciate you bringing us to the attention of the community thanks all right thank you

[1:48:04] Trustee Patrick: okay so that brings us then end of our agenda our next meeting is here

[1:48:11] Trustee Patrick: hopefully we'll have electronics working better um and uh this is the second time hall we don't

[1:48:18] Trustee Patrick: like to rework any decisions we made but if anyone has anything that they'd like to add

[1:48:22] Trustee Patrick: but as

[1:48:30] Voice 13: somebody who's just came back from fishing where we are heavily monitored by dfo

[1:48:36] Voice 13: i find a bench commentable main island having it so together when your waste management over there

[1:48:44] Voice 13: is run by a trustee on rural property well just like

[1:48:49] Trustee McConchie: if i can clarify

[1:48:52] Trustee McConchie: that's an interesting point i said it was a well-planned island i of course was referring

[1:48:58] Trustee McConchie: to the various parks and trails and residential zoning but i agree that trustee dodds and trustee

[1:49:06] Trustee McConchie: maude have some challenges that they'll have to face in the upcoming elections

[1:49:10] Voice 13: okay just one more

[1:49:11] Voice 13: quick one sure now i'm a proactive home builder and i decided that these cisterns are a great

[1:49:16] idea and i want to put four of them in a hundred square feet concrete that pad don't freeze one

[1:49:20] Voice 13: is that even in my house space no that's what impervious

[1:49:28] Voice 14: that's a good area a lot

[1:49:30] Voice 14: what coverage it would be a lot coverage anyway the

[1:49:34] Trustee McConchie: floor area 3.19.2

[1:49:36] Trustee McConchie: this is from the arisen williams the floor area occupied by any cistern located in a building

[1:49:43] Trustee McConchie: and the housing provided for such cistern is excluded from the calculation of the floor

[1:49:48] Trustee McConchie: area of the building in the lot coverage of the lot on which it's located that

[1:49:51] Voice 13: says inside that

[1:49:55] Trustee McConchie: cistern located in a building and the housing that makes sense that's what they've got so far

[1:50:01] Trustee McConchie: with the draft you can review it if you think it's stupid or whatever

[1:50:08] Trustee McConchie: yeah and then you can only live in a tiny home rb yeah no one get it

[1:50:15] Voice 12: yes um when it comes to the uh fees by law um and you're saying about how

[1:50:24] Voice 12: you know how do you explain the fees by law and increases and everything so um if somebody made

[1:50:32] Voice 12: an application uh you know like we made an application it's forty four hundred dollars

[1:50:38] Voice 12: and it's only by chance that a planner said to me when uh or it was put into a variance

[1:50:46] Voice 12: that we had sixteen hundred and fifty dollars left uh left in that theme in that in that account if

[1:50:56] Voice 12: If it could be that as you put your $4,400 in,

[1:51:02] Voice 12: you get a little statement saying,

[1:51:04] Voice 12: this is where your money's been spent.

[1:51:07] Voice 12: Does that?

[1:51:08] Voice 14: Then we hire a new accountant to

[1:51:10] Voice 12: increase the capital.

[1:51:12] Voice 3: I found a really good one.

[1:51:13] Voice 12: So that when people pay their $100 upfront for garbage,

[1:51:16] Voice 12: every bag that they put out,

[1:51:18] Voice 12: it comes out with a statement at the end of every month.

[1:51:20] Voice 12: She sends a statement out.

[1:51:22] Voice 12: And so people know exactly where they're at.

[1:51:26] Voice 12: Whereas, you know, as an applicant, you have no clue, you know, $1,100 into a temporary use permit, and there was one meeting, and it was thrown out, and I'm gathering that from the email that I received back, I'm not getting any of that $1,100 back.

[1:51:41] Voice 12: And it would have virtually been cut and paste from the rezoning application.

[1:51:49] Voice 12: So, you know, that's why applicants get a little upset.

[1:51:53] Trustee McConchie: That's a fair point.

[1:51:56] Voice 14: people who think that their fee is paying for their outcome right well do i get if the trust

[1:52:03] Voice 14: committee turns me down do i get a refund that's what people i'll be lost that and the answer is

[1:52:09] Voice 12: no no your

[1:52:11] Voice 14: fee covers the average cost of this yeah

[1:52:14] Voice 12: we are going for that oh well

[1:52:19] Voice 12: hopefully we might get part of that you're gonna get part of that you know eleven hundred dollars

[1:52:27] Voice 12: it's the chance you're rolling it up and that's the chance and

[1:52:32] Voice 14: the process you're paying for

[1:52:34] Voice 14: includes notification of neighbors and mail outs ads and so on so there's all that cost as well

[1:52:40] Voice 5: how would you improve that process break

[1:52:45] Voice 15: it down i think i think it's communication

[1:52:47] Voice 15: so

[1:52:48] Trustee McConchie: it's communication

[1:52:49] Trustee Patrick: that's

[1:52:50] Trustee McConchie: when people didn't understand their value for what they're getting

[1:52:55] Trustee Patrick: right

[1:52:55] Trustee McConchie: now it's ambiguous yeah okay thank you all right all

[1:52:59] Trustee Patrick: right any other comments

[1:53:05] Trustee McConchie: remember we're still being live streamed i

[1:53:10] Voice 5: was referring to lake there mr sketch

[1:53:16] Voice 6: i'd like to speak to the fees bottle and then um rezoning via the amendment um on the first

[1:53:25] Voice 6: item then fees well there is nothing in the fees by law uh in the section uh addressing um

[1:53:32] Voice 6: applications after the fact which allows an ltc to decide or listen to a petition from the applicant

[1:53:41] Voice 6: that the uh the after the fact aspect was unavoidable there are situations personal

[1:53:49] Voice 6: circumstances in which the applicant has no choice they're stuck and they do something

[1:53:55] Voice 6: and then apply out to the FAC.

[1:53:57] Voice 6: And there's an automatic 20% with no recourse

[1:54:02] Voice 6: to ask consideration of the local trust committee.

[1:54:07] Voice 6: And it would be quite easy to write that in.

[1:54:10] Voice 6: Of course, the LTC is discretion,

[1:54:13] Voice 6: but I think that would help as a comment.

[1:54:19] Voice 6: And the second is that we began the learnings by law

[1:54:23] Voice 6: with several situations in which industrial zones would be created,

[1:54:30] Voice 6: say, on Port Washington Road, whether or not they are,

[1:54:33] Voice 6: but they were applications in which the person,

[1:54:40] Voice 6: our occupancy of the new situation was not high.

[1:54:47] Voice 6: So too for commercial zoning,

[1:54:49] Voice 6: the implications for groundwater are probably negligible.

[1:54:54] Voice 6: And then the LCC moved to two situations,

[1:54:58] Voice 6: the Port Washington store or Washington store property,

[1:55:03] Voice 6: and the behind the driftwood on which the person occupancy

[1:55:09] Voice 6: takes a big, person-hour occupancy takes a big jump up.

[1:55:13] Voice 6: And that's not a formal definition of density,

[1:55:16] Voice 6: but in terms of groundwater use,

[1:55:18] Voice 6: use, it's appreciable.

[1:55:20] Voice 6: So on Port Washington Road, the old zoning was commercial.

[1:55:26] Voice 6: And then on the here, it was C2, which several months a year

[1:55:32] Voice 6: of use, and switching that to full-time use

[1:55:37] Voice 6: in both situations.

[1:55:39] Voice 6: In the case of the Port Washington store,

[1:55:42] Voice 6: there was, some years ago, a proposal

[1:55:44] Voice 6: to rezone the shed, which was kind of hanging over the wall

[1:55:48] Voice 6: water, partly as a residence.

[1:55:50] Voice 6: And that application moved quite a bit.

[1:55:53] Voice 6: But there was a blockage of real trouble with groundwater.

[1:55:56] Voice 6: And the property next door uses desalination.

[1:56:00] Voice 6: There's a known groundwater problem on that parcel.

[1:56:05] Voice 6: And on the driftwood, down at the end of the driftwood

[1:56:16] Voice 6: the new year was going to be situated and they want to do a pump down

[1:56:20] Voice 6: test and there

[1:56:22] Voice 6: was reservation about doing a pump down test because of possible trouble or intrusion and

[1:56:27] Voice 6: they had driven well there's a known water issue in that property and if one does a rezoning

[1:56:35] Voice 6: by a land use by-law amendment, those you forego or there's probably less oversight

[1:56:46] Voice 6: over the trust policy statement and OCP requirements that density not be increased

[1:56:54] Voice 6: that were in areas of water issue.

[1:56:58] Voice 6: So the distinction, I don't think it's too serious with commercial and industrial rezoning

[1:57:05] Voice 6: zoning by the land use by law but it's much more serious when you move from low occupancy

[1:57:09] Voice 6: to high occupancy uh residential zoning in effect through the through the back door rezoning

[1:57:17] Voice 6: and i'd just like to draw that to your attention when you're considering both those those reasonings

[1:57:24] Voice 6: thank you all

[1:57:26] Trustee Patrick: right thank you all that i guess i'd

[1:57:29] Voice 6: like to make a motion to adjourn the meeting

[1:57:30] Trustee Patrick: seconded all those in favor adjourn thank you everyone thank you thank you robert

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North Pender Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
Date: 
Location: 
April 28, 2022 
Anglican Parish Hall 
4703 Canal Road, RR#1, North Pender Island, BC 
 
Members Present: Laura Patrick, Chair 
 Benjamin McConchie, Trustee 
 Deb Morrison, Trustee 
  
Staff Present: Robert Kojima, Regional Planning Manager 
 Kim Stockdill, Island Planner 
 Narissa Chadwick, Island Planner (via Zoom) 
 William Shulba, Senior Freshwater Specialist (via Zoom) 
 Lauren Edwards, Recorder (via Zoom) 
  
Public Present: There were approximately 9 members of the public present 
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
Chair Patrick called the meeting to order at 10:17 am.  She acknowledged that the meeting was 
held in the traditional territory of the Coast Salish First Nations.  She commented on her travel 
with Lyackson First Nation on Valdez Island and heard the history of the clam garden.  She 
encouraged learning about features to remember what was here.   
2. RISE AND REPORT - In-camera March 24, 2022 Meeting 
By general consent, the LTC agreed to rise and report that the North Pender Island Local Trust 
Committee appointed Priscilla Zimmerman, Andrew MacLean, and Bert Hol to the North Pender 
Island Board of Variance, commencing immediately for a term ending March 24, 2025. 
3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
Add: 
The LTC agreed to discuss recreational vehicles under New Business regarding correspondence 
from Robert Fenton.   
By general consent the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee meeting agenda was 
approved as amended. 
  
A D O P T E D 

 
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4. TRUSTEE REPORT 
Trustee McConchie reported: 
 The recently released census information reported significant population increases.  He 
encouraged people to review the statistics.   
 Given some recent observations, there is a need for an improved communication strategy 
with the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure (MOTI).   
 There had been a meeting with BC Ferries staff.  The Salish Heron is not yet in service and 
the Salish ships should be operating in the Gulf Islands by 2023. 
 There was a beach cleanup on April 23
rd
 and the Pender Island Conservancy is working to 
purchase and conserve a tract of land.  He asks that contributions be considered.   
 
Trustee Morrison reported that: 
 A lot of public activities and gatherings occurred with good ideas exchanged.  Official 
feedback for the Policy Statement should come through regular channels.   
5. CHAIR'S REPORT 
Chair Patrick reported that: 
 The census gives only partial information and it is necessary to know the community in 
order to protect the whole range of community members;  
 The SGI Forum provides opportunity for ongoing conversation with all levels of government 
and First Nations to manage issues such as large industrial ships parking;  
 The next Trust Council meeting will be in June; and   
 The Salt Spring Island LTC will be meeting with the MOTI in May.  The Gulf Islands were left 
out of the Vancouver and South Island Transportation Strategy and the Ministry will be 
encouraged to update the document to include the Gulf Islands. 
6. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS 
Discussion arose and included: 
Public attendee #1:  The procedure or standards for a recent Saturday meeting was questioned 
as the assumption was that the meeting was not related to Islands Trust business since it had 
not been advertised.   
 
 It was confirmed that the meeting was not an official Islands Trust meeting; 
 Chair Patrick stated that individual trustees do meet with constituents or groups of 
constituents outside of a meeting;   
 Trustee Morrison stated she would be happy to have a conversation regarding his concerns; 
 The member of the public commented that single floor buildings are necessary for retired 
seniors in general; and  
 A suggestion was made that Trustee Steve Wright could be contacted for information 
regarding the mail-out for the April 23 informal meeting.   
Public attendee #1, Don Corbin left the meeting. 

 
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Public attendee #2:  An Advisory Planning Commission member offered personal opinions with 
respect to the proposed bylaws which included:   
 There seems to be an ease to create and a rush to get bylaws in for elections in October;   
 The difficulty is in the administration and enforcement of after-the-fact construction;  
 Questioned if there is a list of larger North Pender homes, how many new houses there are, 
and whether preserve and protect mandate is followed; 
 She commented that greenhouse gas is the #1 contributor to climate change and the 1994 
Trust Policy Statement’s main advice was to eliminate wood burning; and 
 She asked about the use of incentives and education programs as well as coordination with 
other levels of government and having secondary suites.   
Trustees responded that: 
 Coordination is a major component of the Trust’s work;   
 Housing issues are diverse and are a larger discussion;  
 Climate change adaptation effort that is being done as mitigation was not done well; and 
 A bylaw will not be created which will hinder people, but rather the community is asked to 
participate in the democratic process to assist in decision making.   
Public attendee #3:  Regarding soil deposit and removal bylaw, the rules should address deposits 
on steep and hazardous slopes and deposits should not impair agricultural land.  Soil removal 
should not impair adjacent ALR land and asking that adjacent ALR land be protected. 
Public attendee #4:  It was questioned whether Islands Trust would consider a Parks Commission 
application to install a community dock on Magic Lake.  
Trustees and staff responded that the provincial moratorium is on saltwater docks and there is 
no moratorium on freshwater docks.  There would be a rezoning process, and the fees can be 
refunded for fees associated to community use projects.   
7. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING 
7.1  NP-LCB-2022.1 (Royal Canadian Legion) - Community Information Meeting 
Planner Stockdill provided an overview regarding the application to the Liquor and 
Cannabis Regulation Branch to make permanent patio area use. 
One member of the public commented that the patio adds additional pleasure in being 
able to go outside and approval seemed long overdue.   
8. PUBLIC HEARING 
None 
  

 
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9. MINUTES 
9.1 Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated February 24, 2022 (for Adoption) 
By general consent the Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of February 24, 2022 
were adopted. 
9.2 Local Trust Committee Special Meeting Minutes Dated March 12, 2022 (for Adoption)  
By general consent the Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of March 12, 2022 were 
adopted. 
9.3 Local Trust Committee Minutes Dated March 24, 2022 (for Adoption) 
By general consent the Local Trust Committee meeting minutes of March 24, 2022 were 
adopted. 
9.4 Section 26 Resolutions-without-meeting Report - None 
9.5 Advisory Planning Commission Minutes - None 
10. BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES 
10.1 Follow-up Action List Dated April 2022 
Received for information.   
11. DELEGATIONS 
12. CORRESPONDENCE 
Correspondence received concerning current applications or projects is posted to the LTC 
webpage 
13. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
13.1 NP-LCB-2022.1 (Royal Canadian Legion) - Staff Report 
Planner Stockdill provided an overview of the staff report and stated there were no 
complaints over the last two years of patio use and sees no significant concerns.  The 
applicant had no comments to add. 
  

 
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NP-2022-046 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee directs staff to send a 
response to the Liquor and Cannabis Regulation Branch regarding the Royal 
Canadian Legion Branch No. 239 application for a New Outdoor Patio at 1344 
MacKinnon Road that states: 
 
a. The proposed location of the outdoor patio is considered to be suitable; 
b. The proposed person capacity of sixty-five (65) for the outdoor patio is 
considered to be suitable; 
c. The potential impacts due to noise if the application is approved would be 
minimal; 
d. The potential general impacts on the community if the application is 
approved be beneficial because it provides community space; 
e. The Local Trust Committee has solicited public input to gather residents’ 
views and there were no written comments and one resident provided 
verbal comment in support;   
f. A notice of the application was hand-delivered to occupants within 100 
metres of the subject property, mailed to the owners of those properties, 
posted on local bulletin boards, posted on the North Pender Local Trust 
Committee webpage, and advertised in the Driftwood newspaper.  
Residents were invited to provide written submissions or attend a 
community information meeting; 
g. A community information meeting was held on April 28, 2022 to gather 
residents’ views about the application; 
h. The residents’ views were generally in support about the application; 
i. The Local Trust Committee agrees with the residents’ views that the 
application should be supported; and 
j. The Local Trust Committee recommends the application be approved. 
 
CARRIED 
 
NP-2022-047 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee directs staff to include a 
record of the community information meeting with the response to the Liquor 
and Cannabis Regulation Branch regarding the Royal Canadian Legion Branch 
No. 239 application for a New Outdoor Patio application. 
CARRIED 
  

 
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13.2 NP-TUP-2022.2 (Burdett) - Staff Report  
   
Planner Stockdill provided an overview of the staff report and recommendations.   
The applicants had no comments to add. 
 
NP-2022-048 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee place application NP-TUP-
2022.2 in abeyance until after the North Pender Land Use Bylaw Review Project 
is complete, or at such time that the Local Trust Committee removes the 
legalization of the TUP uses from the Project.   
CARRIED 
 
NP-2022-049 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee request staff to not enforce 
the full service waste transfer use and other accessory uses as outlined in NP-
TUP-2019.7 until the Land Use Bylaw is amended.   
CARRIED 
 
13.3 Saturna Island Local Trust Committee Referral for Proposed Bylaws 133 and 
134 (for response) 
  
NP-2022-050 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee’s interests are not affected 
by Saturna Island Local Trust Committee Bylaws 133 and 134. 
CARRIED 
13.4 Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Referral for Proposed Bylaws 184 and 189 (for 
response)  
NP-2022-051 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee’s interests are not affected 
by Mayne Island Local Trust Committee bylaws 184 and 189. 
CARRIED 
  

 
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13.5 Mayne Island Local Trust Committee Referral for Proposed Bylaws 186 and 187 (for 
response)  
NP-2022-052 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee’s interests are not affected 
by Mayne Island Local Trust Committee bylaws 186 and 187. 
CARRIED 
14. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
14.1 North Pender Island Local Trust Committee Fees Bylaw No. 226 (for consideration) 
The Planner provided an overview of the Staff Report which was received for 
information.  Discussion occurred and included the following: 
 Community feedback was requested; 
 Cost efficiencies and provincial support for conservancy should be sought and 
reduced taxes should be seen over time; and   
 A communication plan regarding the fee policy change should be requested.  
 
NP-2022-053 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust request Islands Trust staff to schedule a 
Community Information Meeting at the beginning of the North Pender Local 
Trust Committee meeting on the 26
th
 of May for the new fee bylaw. 
CARRIED 
____________________________Break for 10 minutes_________________________ 
 
14.2 LUB Review Project – Staff Report 
Planner Stockdill provided an overview of the staff report. 
NP-2022-054 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee incorporate the 
Groundwater Sustainability Project draft land use bylaw regulations into the 
draft Bylaw No. 224. 
CARRIED 
  

 
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NP-2022-055 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to create a new 
land use bylaw amendment moving Agriculture as a principal resident use in the 
Rural Residential 2 zone and rezoning the C2 Driftwood property to rental 
housing into this new bylaw and removing these items from Bylaw No. 224. 
CARRIED 
NP-2022-056 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee rezone 1200 & 1201 Port 
Washington Road from Commercial 1(a) to Rural Residential 2 as part of the 
Land Use Bylaw Review Project.  
CARRIED 
NP-2022-057 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to incorporate 
the Temporary Use Permit uses into the Land Use Bylaw Review Project for 
Medicine Beach drop-off. 
CARRIED 
NP-2022-058 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee directs staff to adjust the 
maximum floor area table by removing the last row of four hectares or greater 
and providing options around incentivizing secondary suites.   
CARRIED 
NP-2022-059 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee direct staff to schedule a 
Community Information meeting following first reading of the Land Use Bylaw 
Project. 
CARRIED 
 
14.3 Groundwater Sustainability Project - Staff Report (late item) 
Planner Chadwick referenced the LUB and OCP amendment documents provided to the 
Trustees for their information.  Regarding cistern regulation amendment, it was 
reported that: 
 The amendment requires new builds and secondary suites to have a cistern 
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 Island architects, cistern installers and suppliers were consulted.  Calculations took 
into consideration garden use throughout the year including potential drought 
period during summer months; and   
 The language in the amendment was changed to freshwater and not just rainwater 
so the property owner can store groundwater for later in the year.   
Discussion occurred, including: 
 Fire department(s) should be contacted to confirm their requirements for cistern 
fixtures; 
 Discussed the benefits of cistern use including groundwater management; and 
 It was reported the Province is examining best management practices guideline that 
could be employed by owners, plumbers and drillers.   
Trustee Morrison left the meeting at approximately 1:15 pm 
 Trustee McConchie commented on his objections to local government-dictating 
water retention regulations for property owners and confirmed that, based on the 
petition and feedback, this should remain as part of the discussion of the LUB 
review and a conversation at the community information meeting;  
 It was reported that the development permit area for groundwater recharge is 
progressing.  A technical memo will be provided; and 
 It was agreed that discussion regarding the guidelines and maps will be scheduled 
for the next regular meeting.   
15. REPORTS 
15.1 Work Program Report  
15.1.1 Top Priorities Report Dated April 2022  
Received for information. 
15.1.2 Projects List Report Dated April 2022 
Received for information. 
15.2 Applications Report Dated April 2022  
Received for information. 
15.3 Trustee and Local Expense Report Dated Feb 2022  
Received for information. 
15.4 Adopted Policies and Standing Resolutions  
Received for information. 
15.5 Local Trust Committee Webpage 
Received for information. 

 
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15.6 Islands Trust Conservancy Report - None 
16. NEW BUSINESS 
16.1 Draft Annual Report Wording - for approval 
NP-2022-060 
   It was Moved and Seconded, 
that the North Pender Island Local Trust Committee approves the format and 
outline of contents for the 2021/22 Annual Report.   
CARRIED 
16.2 Correspondence from Rob Fenton  
Mr. Rob Fenton requested the LTC make a motion encouraging the province to change 
the definition of recreation vehicles under the building code because RVs, trailers and 
tiny homes are not considered.  He reported that: 
 He has had discussions with the CRD; 
 He would like the Province to make changes to the code; 
 The CRD will discuss the SGI Housing Report in early May and he will ask 
permission to say the same thing; 
 He wishes to meet with the Attorney General and Minister Responsible for 
Housing; and   
 The LTC has agreed to this issue as a work project and if there are two levels of 
government willing to discuss this, the Province may be interested.   
Chair Patrick stated the BC Housing website report on tiny homes indicates they are 
waiting for national building code changes.  She commented that there are already tiny 
homes on Salt Spring Island and the Province should be urged to deal with the issue 
which has a lot of positives.   
Mr. Fenton commented that RVs are relatively affordable and will become a bigger 
problem if the issue is not dealt with.   
RPM Kojima commented that it is more effective if an issue like this is addressed at Trust 
Council and then sent to the Union of BC Municipalities.   
Mr. Fenton commented he would like to have a chance for a coalition to present it.  
Trustee McConchie suggested tabling the motion until after the CRD housing discussion 
on May 8
th
 and Chair Patrick commented that it would be good to hear back from the 
CRD.   
Trustee McConchie stated that Mr. Fenton could let the CRD know that the LTC is very 
interested in the subject and he would like to hear the outcome of the discussion.   
Trustee McConchie stated he will informally call Paul Brent at the CRD and he requested 
that the item be added to the May 26
th
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Chair Patrick reported there are also efforts working through Adam Olsen’s office to 
Minister David Eby regarding tiny home construction.   
17. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
17.1 Next Regular Meeting Scheduled for May 26, 2022 at the Anglican Church Hall, Pender 
Island 
18. TOWN HALL  
 Trustee McConchie confirmed that cisterns would be excluded from the floor area 
calculation; 
 RPM Kojima confirmed that fees pay for up to the average cost of the process and not for 
the outcomes.  It was commented that the issue is communication in that people do not 
understand the value of what they are receiving for their fees; 
 A member of the public stated that there is nothing in the fees bylaw section regarding 
applications after the fact which allows an LTC to consider a petition from an applicant that 
the after-the-fact situation was unavoidable.  It would help for the LTC to write that in; and 
 He also asked to consider the LUB situations for industrial rezoning.   
19. CLOSED MEETING 
None 
20. ADJOURNMENT 
By general consent the meeting was adjourned at 2:10 pm. 
 
 
 
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Laura Patrick, Chair 
 
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Certified Correct: 
Lauren Edwards, Recorder