Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee regular meeting, May 17, 2022

[0:00:40] Voice 5: let

[0:00:43] Voice 7: us begin that so good morning uh

[0:00:46] Voice 7: everybody um welcome to the salt spring island local trust

[0:00:50] Voice 7: committee um of may the 17th already the year is marching along it's a beautiful day here on

[0:01:00] Voice 7: salt spring island i am very uh honored and pleased to be here today in your community to

[0:01:06] Voice 7: to support you in your trust work.

[0:01:11] Voice 7: Want to acknowledge that we are here

[0:01:13] Voice 7: in Coast Salish territory in the middle of the Salish Sea.

[0:01:17] Voice 7: It's a glorious place to be.

[0:01:20] Voice 7: And every time I travel amongst the islands,

[0:01:24] Voice 7: I can't help but reflect on the rich culture

[0:01:26] Voice 7: and history of this place.

[0:01:28] Voice 7: It's time and memorial that the people

[0:01:30] Voice 7: of the Coast Salish have been here.

[0:01:33] Voice 7: And this is the home to many nations

[0:01:36] Voice 7: that have been displaced throughout the province and um that's something to ponder as we do our

[0:01:44] Voice 7: landing planning um we have uh with us today uh laura patrick uh elected locally good morning

[0:01:53] Voice 7: and peter grove also elected locally and i carol from uh fetus island and that's in uh lax and

[0:02:01] Voice 7: in finalica territory just a little bit north of here pleasure to be here today we also have with

[0:02:07] Voice 7: us in the uh room a number of staff uh station yeomans we're over in the corner there dordy

[0:02:13] Voice 7: gordon also in the corner there acting regional planning manager today louisa garbo thank you

[0:02:18] Voice 7: louisa for stepping up and uh taking on that extra burden of responsibility and appreciate that

[0:02:25] Voice 7: and uh with us today also uh rob pringle

[0:02:33] Voice 7: thank you um and thank you for all of your

[0:02:36] Voice 7: support here i'll be able to see as well

[0:02:40] Voice 7: so in front of us we have an agenda for today and i'll just ask if there's anything else to

[0:02:46] Voice 7: add or remove from the agenda i'll turn to trustees peter growth

[0:02:49] Voice 9: i have uh three items

[0:02:51] Voice 9: chair i'd like to discuss some of the temporary use permits for staff housing okay

[0:02:56] Voice 7: and so we'll

[0:02:57] Voice 7: put that under a new business then shall we um

[0:03:00] Voice 9: yes um okay

[0:03:02] Voice 7: so that i'll place uh if that's okay

[0:03:05] Voice 7: with everybody nine point one point two tup staff housing um

[0:03:12] Voice 9: then yep i would like a report from

[0:03:17] Voice 9: the staff about the status of staffing on our salzburg island office all

[0:03:24] Voice 7: right um is david

[0:03:27] Voice 7: marlin joining us today i thought he was going to be here

[0:03:30] Voice 6: if he is here there will be a tan

[0:03:33] Voice 6: but if not i'm happy to provide a report all

[0:03:36] Voice 7: right then so let's uh maybe fit that in where we can

[0:03:40] Voice 7: And perhaps that might be a new business item as well.

[0:03:49] Voice 7: Yeah, let's just put that in a new business item 9.1.3.

[0:03:56] Voice 7: Staff resources, so I'd say.

[0:04:00] Voice 7: And lastly,

[0:04:02] Voice 9: we received a letter from Julian Clark regarding the Rogers Tower on Channel Ridge.

[0:04:07] Voice 9: Oh,

[0:04:08] Voice 7: yes, we did.

[0:04:08] Voice 9: And I think that should be looked at.

[0:04:14] Voice 9: discussed

[0:04:16] Voice 7: um is that in correspondence at this time it is

[0:04:22] Voice 9: not no okay

[0:04:23] Voice 7: so let's maybe then add

[0:04:24] Voice 7: that at correspondence um

[0:04:26] Voice 9: hold on uh chair yes

[0:04:32] Voice 7: i have one one item okay let me

[0:04:34] Voice 7: just get that

[0:04:34] Voice 7: under correspondence um right here so i'm going to add 14.3 uh is it julian cook julian clark

[0:04:44] Voice 7: according uh and that's regarding rogers which we are waiting for a meeting um so laura perfect

[0:04:57] Voice 7: what do you have i just the rearrangement is all i'm asking is that i i think i'll ask

[0:05:03] Voice 7: you to speak

[0:05:03] Voice 7: sorry rearranging it'd be i think easier to have 8.1 after the closed meeting so rather than moving

[0:05:12] Voice 7: the closed meeting i think it's going to be 0.1 after the closed meeting okay just got to find

[0:05:17] Voice 7: that 3.1 housing action program after the closed meeting yes um okay um that's what we want to do

[0:05:32] Voice 7: so i guess the question is do we advance the closed meeting

[0:05:37] Voice 7: um or a drive so um let's simply meet after after the closed meeting then which would then uh follow

[0:05:48] Voice 7: uh just prior to us moving into our break is that all right so

[0:05:53] Voice 9: straight up because meeting

[0:05:54] Voice 9: would work 8.1 yeah

[0:05:56] Voice 7: yeah so that'd be it we'll insert between 10.1 and 10.2

[0:06:06] Voice 7: okay everything else staff anything new

[0:06:10] Voice 7: no this welcome will ensure our first large specialist who's joined us and thank you for

[0:06:16] Voice 7: joining us really nice to see you um all right then so let us uh then approve the agenda as

[0:06:24] Voice 7: amended and um let us begin with the meeting so the first items are draft minutes of the

[0:06:31] Voice 7: salt spring island local trust committee meeting from april the 19th are there any changes for

[0:06:36] Voice 7: those sorry and i'm going to have to ask you to speak up no i

[0:06:40] Voice 7: just had to find it's a big space

[0:06:42] Voice 7: i find yeah find where i was um you

[0:06:47] Voice 9: know what

[0:06:48] Voice 7: thing is spending here oh that doesn't help even

[0:06:50] Voice 7: does it cutting off the air situation um oh jim was like i'm so used to having sarah sugar i'm

[0:06:59] Voice 7: i'm like where's sarah she's not here sorry about that can't break old habits here on page 10 of

[0:07:06] Voice 7: the agenda package under trusted reports it just it said spoke to business license required to

[0:07:11] Voice 7: address this um i think um just s changed this to stvrs so that

[0:07:18] Voice 7: bullet sounds way clear yeah thank

[0:07:21] Voice 7: you and then the final bullet just spoke to relationship building first nations that i was

[0:07:26] Voice 7: participating in fetus local trust committee group just at that last bullet on that safe section nine

[0:07:38] Voice 7: right so do you understand both of those i guess probably didn't take her sorry yeah we're just

[0:07:44] Voice 7: supervising rocks learning that's good okay everybody's okay with that it's been

[0:07:56] Voice 7: yeah all right then so is there anything else and i will then take it that the minutes of april

[0:08:03] Voice 7: with 19 to be adopted as amended um the next item on our list is the resolution without meeting uh

[0:08:11] Voice 7: report from may uh 20 may 2022 and we'll just receive that for information unless there's any

[0:08:19] Voice 7: uh concern that would leave that information the

[0:08:29] Voice 9: lighting in here advisory

[0:08:30] Voice 7: planning commission

[0:08:32] Voice 7: uh is the next uh item we have meeting notes uh from april 7th uh and that's to be received for

[0:08:38] Voice 7: information i just want to acknowledge the work of all of the advisory planning commissions um for

[0:08:44] Voice 7: their uh uh work that they do in supporting us and uh in our business in our decision making

[0:08:51] Voice 7: and just be thankful for that so uh i'll just receive that information all right so then

[0:08:57] Voice 7: agriculture advisory planning commission none today but we do have uh a set of minutes from

[0:09:03] Voice 7: the energy village planning task force of april 21st plenty of good information there and we'll

[0:09:08] Voice 7: just received that information thank you housing action program task force april the 7th also

[0:09:14] Voice 7: good information we received that as well as a housing action report from april 20th

[0:09:20] Voice 7: thank you next item uh local trust committee public hearing records we haven't had any

[0:09:29] Voice 7: recently so nothing to report there this takes us to our follow-up action list which is on

[0:09:34] Voice 7: the point page 28 of our agenda let me get to that and um we'll um i'm going to ask if there's any uh

[0:09:46] Voice 7: late updates on that follow-up action list otherwise i'll just go straight to trustees

[0:09:51] Voice 7: for questions i'll ask nothing new from louisa thank you very much uh acting rpm carbo so uh

[0:10:00] Voice 7: trustees do you have any questions with respect to the follow-up action i do not

[0:10:05] Voice 7: all right then

[0:10:06] Voice 7: so and nothing can be read there's more okay so we received that information thank you very much for

[0:10:11] Voice 7: the report get up to date so the next items then will just come through to uh standing policy and

[0:10:21] Voice 7: standing resolutions there for information unless there's any desired changes i don't see any

[0:10:25] Voice 7: indication i'm going to move on to our top priorities report uh the item the five items

[0:10:32] Voice 7: that are there is there any uh desire for discussion we'll just receive that information

[0:10:39] Voice 7: the projects list also dated may we'll receive that information hold on okay let's go across

[0:10:47] Voice 7: page 55 yeah that's

[0:11:01] Voice 5: good page

[0:11:01] Voice 9: 59 sorry yeah

[0:11:03] Voice 7: so page 58 is the applications and status report

[0:11:07] Voice 7: and so with that i presume you have a question oh sorry

[0:11:10] Voice 9: yeah page uh 59 if you would the um uh status of um the full foot in property wondering what's

[0:11:21] Voice 5: happening today

[0:11:21] Voice 9: that's

[0:11:27] Voice 5: uh 2018.14 right the first item under development

[0:11:31] Voice 9: yes

[0:11:35] Voice 8: thank you um the ltc last considered these applications at the weekend in february at which

[0:11:46] Voice 8: which point we directed staff to refer the permits to First Nations for review and comment.

[0:11:52] Voice 8: Those referrals were made, and staff have been in conversation with a number of nations since then.

[0:11:58] Voice 8: What I was hoping to hear from you today or address with you today is the fact that the referral window is now effectively closed.

[0:12:05] Voice 8: We gave 60 days to return responses.

[0:12:08] Voice 8: We've received one written response so far from the Laiac's and First Nation,

[0:12:12] Voice 8: but conversations are ongoing with seo first nation and cali tribes as well as indicated

[0:12:17] Voice 8: an interest in the applications and so seo is quite keen to make a site visit to the property

[0:12:24] Voice 8: we have yet to to coordinate that and arrange it so i i guess i'm interested to hear from the ltc

[0:12:31] Voice 8: whether you wish staff to return to your table with these permits as early as your june meeting

[0:12:36] Voice 8: or wait until such time as we're able to coordinate and

[0:12:40] Voice 7: we do have that as an item today

[0:12:42] Voice 7: is that not correct it's

[0:12:44] Voice 8: being postponed oh

[0:12:45] Voice 7: actually okay so that was what you advised

[0:12:47] Voice 7: you know yeah it's

[0:12:51] Voice 8: a it's a an outstanding question for staff because you know technically

[0:12:55] Voice 8: the referral window is closed but i also understand our organization's commitments to

[0:12:59] Voice 8: reconciliation okay

[0:13:02] Voice 7: excellent well thank you for raising that and thank you peter for raising that

[0:13:06] Voice 7: And what would you like to suggest based upon what we've discussed?

[0:13:09] Voice 9: Well, I think we're going to have to extend the deadline.

[0:13:12] Voice 9: So you'll need a motion to that regard.

[0:13:15] Voice 7: That.

[0:13:17] Voice 8: Yes, I suppose that would be helpful.

[0:13:19] Voice 7: And should we be considering 30 days, 60 days, 90 days?

[0:13:24] Voice 7: It's

[0:13:25] Voice 8: difficult to say.

[0:13:26] Voice 8: I mean, obviously, this is of interest to the nations, but they have many interests

[0:13:33] Voice 5: in many aspects

[0:13:34] Voice 8: of the administration of their organization.

[0:13:40] Voice 8: I guess I would recommend a further 60 days, but on the understanding that the intent is that it happened faster than that.

[0:13:48] Voice 8: We

[0:13:48] Voice 7: also want to respect and give the opportunity for them to respond.

[0:13:55] Voice 7: 60 days is great.

[0:13:56] Voice 7: Okay. Peter?

[0:13:57] Voice 9: So I move that the SS Trust Committee request staff to extend the deadline on SSDP 2018.14

[0:14:11] Voice 9: to respond to receive input from First Nations with regard to the development permit.

[0:14:22] Voice 9: For 60 days.

[0:14:24] Voice 9: For 60 days. Thank you.

[0:14:26] Voice 7: We'll see that Rob's got that.

[0:14:30] Voice 7: when they're ready

[0:14:32] Voice 9: and you'll have

[0:14:33] Voice 5: to let the applicant know i guess and while we're waiting

[0:14:44] Voice 5: for that

[0:14:45] Voice 7: just to let folks know that our meeting we have received some correspondence in the

[0:14:49] Voice 7: intervening months also and that will not be on our agenda but will be in the file associated

[0:14:56] Voice 7: with that application i'm presuming that that correspondence is on the website that's correct

[0:15:03] Voice 7: i'm not of approval there thank you for your work on that rather want to read that back

[0:15:09] Voice 7: at the salt spring island local

[0:15:11] Voice 8: trust committee request staff to extend the referral deadline on

[0:15:15] Voice 8: ssdp 2018.14 for 60 days to allow for adequate first nations review i

[0:15:24] Voice 5: just skipped the word

[0:15:25] Voice 5: you got it all right um moved and

[0:15:35] Voice 7: seconded any further discussion all those in favor

[0:15:39] Voice 7: unanimous and now thank the lpc for their support and recognizing our commitment

[0:15:44] Voice 7: a consultant and thank you anything else on the applications uh

[0:15:52] Voice 9: yes please um h uh 60 um to amend

[0:15:58] Voice 9: the existing permit on 106 lower ganges road which

[0:16:02] Voice 7: number is that

[0:16:03] Voice 9: the at the first one under

[0:16:06] Voice 9: development permit 2020.15 okay

[0:16:08] Voice 7: uh

[0:16:10] Voice 9: this is uh the el loco taco and um wondering we have a new

[0:16:19] Voice 9: owner i gather um and i'm wondering what the plan is planning

[0:16:25] Voice 7: gordon over to you

[0:16:26] Voice 9: um thank you chair

[0:16:28] Voice 9: i did have a meeting with the owner of the property um the new owner

[0:16:32] Voice 9: sorry the new owner so

[0:16:34] Voice 9: So it's the owner is the same. It's the tenant that's changed for the tenant of the restaurant.

[0:16:40] Voice 9: And from what I can see from the outside, they're obviously doing some renovations.

[0:16:43] Voice 9: I don't think it's going to change the substance of the DP really at all.

[0:16:48] Voice 9: The applicant has asked, well, the owner, who's sort of the applicant for the time being, has asked for a couple of extensions on bringing it forward.

[0:17:00] Voice 9: although we did have a meeting and it looks like we can probably bring it forward to the June

[0:17:05] Voice 9: LTC meeting in all likelihood and that's depending on getting a few administrative

[0:17:10] Voice 9: things worked out in terms of switching over the applicant from the previous tenant to the new

[0:17:16] Voice 9: and what happens with the deposit that's on file for the previous issue so there's a few

[0:17:22] Voice 9: administrative things to work out but chances are it will be there in June. I don't remember what

[0:17:29] Voice 9: is it that they're asking for what is the time before uh so they've they've reoriented some of

[0:17:34] Voice 9: the parking from the previous dp that was issued um and implemented some different um patio seating

[0:17:41] Voice 9: like the deck that's sort of under the awning there the overhang there is was not permitted

[0:17:47] Voice 9: through the previous dp and then some changes to the landscaping as well it was primarily thank you

[0:17:52] Voice 7: yeah we've had a lot of concern about the number of parking spots

[0:17:57] Voice 9: then staff concern was around the

[0:17:59] Voice 9: pedestrian circulation through the property so they were going to have a conversation with modi

[0:18:03] Voice 9: which i believe they did and i've asked for some feedback that they received from modi to put it

[0:18:10] Voice 9: okay

[0:18:10] Voice 7: thank you anything else on that no

[0:18:15] Voice 9: thank you for helping

[0:18:16] Voice 5: me um

[0:18:16] Voice 7: i was listening into the

[0:18:20] Voice 7: state community sustainable economic development commission i can't get their new name right

[0:18:25] Voice 7: there's sustainability in there somewhere uh and the owner of the property up there on

[0:18:32] Voice 7: upper ganges road that's the doing the food producing property that we saw application last

[0:18:39] Voice 7: month uh he was addressing the economic development commission with his plans

[0:18:44] Voice 7: and he was extremely complimentary of staff uh and the professional uh handling that he had

[0:18:50] Voice 7: had experienced with his application.

[0:18:53] Voice 7: So I just thought it'd be important to pass that back.

[0:18:56] Voice 7: We always seem to hear the negative comments,

[0:18:59] Voice 7: but I'm hearing more and more positive comments.

[0:19:01] Voice 9: So are you talking about the new home for the woodshed?

[0:19:05] Voice 7: Yes, in the Francis Spread.

[0:19:07] Voice 7: We had the application last month, yeah.

[0:19:09] Voice 9: And by the way, just for everyone's information,

[0:19:13] Voice 9: I was there yesterday.

[0:19:14] Voice 9: It's terrific.

[0:19:15] Voice 9: There's Francis Spread, there's the woodshed,

[0:19:17] Voice 9: and there's Salt Spring Jam.

[0:19:19] Voice 9: and it's really looking great i'm hoping that they need to be allowed to have them outside seating

[0:19:25] Voice 9: so they don't know what uh where that's going to go

[0:19:31] Voice 9: nervous giggles are on the table

[0:19:33] Voice 7: and now i want to thank staff for the professional

[0:19:38] Voice 7: service you're obviously providing and it's rewarding to hear the compliments

[0:19:42] Voice 7: in fact thank you everybody i know we don't actually find that also okay anything else on

[0:19:54] Voice 7: the applications report no all right so expense report we don't have anyone here yet um no doubt

[0:20:00] Voice 7: there'll be one coming soon our stress conservancy board report is here um for your and the public

[0:20:07] Voice 7: information that's on page 79 there's a couple of items there uh associated uh with salt spring

[0:20:16] Voice 7: island i sort of feel necessary to particularly certainly there was um a couple of conservancy

[0:20:24] Voice 7: lands on the island of which working management is ongoing but i just want to take a moment to

[0:20:31] Voice 7: recognize a substantial donation to the island's trust conservancy from

[0:20:36] Voice 7: balloon canadian alter ego trust 2020 of which fifty thousand dollars has been earmarked uh for

[0:20:42] Voice 7: salt spring island to reflect the conservation interests of the donor and this is uh just such

[0:20:49] Voice 7: a fabulous thing to receive uh those kinds of donations to support the really significant work

[0:20:55] Voice 7: that they almost just does in actual preservation protection of lands um in all of our islands so

[0:21:02] Voice 7: really grateful to donna on that particular item so that's there uh to bring attention to the arms

[0:21:10] Voice 7: trust conservancy arm of the arms trust and uh if there's no questions i'll move on from the graph

[0:21:19] Voice 7: to uh what was altering our ownership protection alliance nothing here but we certainly have some

[0:21:26] Voice 7: interesting reports coming to us later that affect that area i'll just ask a um

[0:21:31] Voice 7: um um laura patrick as chair of the alliance um if you have anything verbal to offer today no

[0:21:39] Voice 7: okay thank you so gang's village planning task force chair update global report not seeing

[0:21:46] Voice 7: anybody here today so um my

[0:21:51] Voice 8: apologies to the to the commission uh i was remiss to remind

[0:21:56] Voice 8: the chairs that the meeting was happening today that might be a reason it isn't 10 o'clock yet

[0:22:02] Voice 8: I do know that

[0:22:03] Voice 8: Chair Heintzman from the Housing Action Program did send his regrets, because he remembered that it may be happening, and sent his regrets, but I apologize for that

[0:22:13] Voice 7: miscommunication.

[0:22:14] Voice 7: I think the Chair is well aware of our timing and our meeting dates.

[0:22:18] Voice 7: So if the Chair arrives at some point during our meeting, I'm sure the LTC will be happy to hear from her.

[0:22:29] Voice 7: And so let us continue on for the moment.

[0:22:32] Voice 9: Chair, I'm expecting that Chair isn't going to be here in the next six minutes.

[0:22:39] Voice 9: I am a bit concerned about the makeup of that committee.

[0:22:43] Voice 9: There's been some shuffling around.

[0:22:44] Voice 9: around. And

[0:22:46] Voice 9: so I worry about that. I have not been able to attend recent meetings. Their meeting is

[0:22:54] Voice 9: now five o'clock and I have family commitments at five o'clock in the evenings. So I'm just

[0:23:01] Voice 9: wondering if staff can give us any kind of a verbal update on where that's at. And maybe my

[0:23:08] Voice 9: fellow trustee have some thoughts okay

[0:23:13] Voice 7: so shall i turn to staff do you have any updates at all

[0:23:16] Voice 7: with respect to the transport and

[0:23:20] Voice 5: make

[0:23:21] Voice 7: that okay and we'll see the process

[0:23:26] Voice 9: so the

[0:23:32] Voice 6: task force continued to need yeah and uh

[0:23:38] Voice 6: I wasn't

[0:23:39] Voice 6: at the last one because I already

[0:23:41] Voice 6: shipped my role

[0:23:42] Voice 6: and my understanding

[0:23:44] Voice 6: is with Ganges, I think

[0:23:46] Voice 6: you already got the message and

[0:23:48] Voice 6: if not, it should be coming soon about the

[0:23:52] Voice 6: I forgot how they call it, the

[0:23:54] Voice 6: idea workshop from

[0:23:57] Voice 6: the consultant. That will be the last

[0:23:59] Voice 6: activities on their contract

[0:24:00] Voice 6: and it's going to happen on

[0:24:02] Voice 6: June 4th. It's a

[0:24:05] Voice 6: a Saturday and if they have more than what they anticipate for people to register they will do

[0:24:12] Voice 6: an additional day on Sunday and then they will wrap it up with the final report

[0:24:17] Voice 6: and at that workshop I believe they also have Harold Joe to provide a guide guide tour

[0:24:26] Voice 6: tour and just to kind of introduce the person's history and culture um as far as you know that's

[0:24:35] Voice 6: where we are at on yanjis and uh that we already prepare a more structured uh agenda for them

[0:24:43] Voice 6: and we're going to continue to push for it that we need to focus on uh getting ready for this

[0:24:50] Voice 6: you know, the vision statement, the elements to be in the area of recommendation for staff so that we can start working on these policies.

[0:25:02] Voice 5: Thank you. Do

[0:25:03] Voice 7: you have anything to say?

[0:25:07] Voice 7: Not this time.

[0:25:11] Voice 7: So then thank you. And we'll see if later in the meeting there's an opportunity for an update from the task force.

[0:25:26] Voice 7: And so I'm going to continue to move on to a local festivity projects on the first one is the public engagement.

[0:25:38] Voice 7: So we deferred item 8.1 to later in the agenda.

[0:25:46] Voice 7: after we've had an example competition so we will come back to that so then that indeed brings us to

[0:25:52] Voice 7: water water sustainability water from the subdivision that's on page 23 and uh we've

[0:26:04] Voice 7: gone into this so jason yeoman williams i imagine two of you can provide us with the information

[0:26:13] Voice 7: information needed for us to which is three in the packet. So

[0:26:20] Voice 7: gentlemen, great. Thank you. Thank you.

[0:26:28] Voice 7: Okay,

[0:26:36] Voice 8: so this item concerns bylaw through many subdivisions

[0:26:41] Voice 8: servicing regulations.

[0:26:43] Voice 7: That's bylaw 532.

[0:26:45] Voice 7: It is

[0:26:45] Voice 8: bylaw 532 not 432 as reported repeatedly throughout

[0:26:50] Voice 8: the staff report thank you trustee grove for your attention to that um the purpose of the project

[0:26:58] Voice 8: really is to better protect the freshwater resources and the groundwater users of the island

[0:27:02] Voice 8: by improving the quality of proof of water information that is provided to staff by

[0:27:07] Voice 8: subdivision applicants at the time that they make their application staff have determined that

[0:27:12] Voice 8: groundwater information furnished by subdivision applicants up to this point is not always

[0:27:17] Voice 8: consistent with the established guidelines of the province, the engineers and geoscientists of

[0:27:21] Voice 8: BC and associated agencies. This has led to conflicting interpretations of the land use

[0:27:26] Voice 8: by-law between staff, applicants and their consulting engineers. Staff believe that greater

[0:27:30] Voice 8: clarity around required information will minimize conflict going forward. Staff would summarize the

[0:27:37] Voice 8: major proposed changes that you see in by-law 532 as follows. They provide greater clarity with

[0:27:44] Voice 8: respect to proof of potable water documentation that subdivision applicants have to provide.

[0:27:48] Voice 8: They provide clear requirements and expectations for professional hydrogeologists to follow as they submit their information.

[0:27:55] Voice 8: The bylaw will increase the per dwelling unit water volume required in a way that we believe harmonizes with the Water Sustainability Act of the province.

[0:28:03] Voice 8: And the bylaw will also eliminate the requirement to demonstrate specific potable water volumes for commercial and industrial uses

[0:28:10] Voice 8: and instead defer to the Water Sustainability Act of the province, which has enacted its own provincial licensing regime around commercial uses of groundwater.

[0:28:23] Voice 8: I will say this, you'll see from the project charter attached that the timeline that was originally proposed has been significantly extended.

[0:28:34] Voice 8: Largely, I won't say largely in part, but in part due to our effort to coordinate with other agencies around this.

[0:28:39] Voice 8: I know the LTC was keen to ensure that we worked with the technical working group of SWPA in the

[0:28:45] Voice 8: development of the bylaw and worked with the province. Staff have done so, really coordinated

[0:28:51] Voice 8: quite well with water protection staff from the provincial government. I think we've now bounced

[0:28:56] Voice 8: the bylaw back to them three times, four times possibly. And staff there have been very generous

[0:29:03] Voice 8: with their time to us and provided extensive comment that we've done our best to address

[0:29:09] Voice 8: through further amendments to the bylaw um initially this project sort of began quite

[0:29:16] Voice 8: modestly really it was an effort to um better define what should constitute a pumping test

[0:29:23] Voice 8: that that we received um but as we got further into that we wound up making i would say subtle

[0:29:30] Voice 8: i would have what would i maybe call this i think i called it a um a thorough technical update

[0:29:36] Voice 8: essentially um as we as we got deeper into the subdivision servicing regulations in the land use

[0:29:42] Voice 8: file we began to identify various areas of the portable water requirements that uh that needed

[0:29:48] Voice 8: tweaking and so uh through that you now have bylaw five in front of you for your consideration

[0:29:55] Voice 8: I think it's William's hope that MI is.

[0:30:00] Voice 8: well that this bylaw can serve as a model for the rest of the island's trust area um particularly

[0:30:06] Voice 8: due to the coordination that we've had with the provincial government in getting it organized like

[0:30:11] Voice 8: if other local trust areas are interested in amending their proof of water requirements at

[0:30:16] Voice 8: time of subdivision uh i hope that will have saved them a great deal of time and effort by

[0:30:21] Voice 8: developing a thorough bylaw and a good process in its development a process that is not yet complete

[0:30:27] Voice 8: As you'll see, we are recommending formal referral of the bylaw and sort of an informational referral of the bylaw out to some of those professionals who will indeed be charged with providing the information that is required under the bylaw.

[0:30:40] Voice 8: So it'll be interesting, perhaps, to hear what they say.

[0:30:44] Voice 7: I'm presuming that trustee would like to hear from William Coleman.

[0:30:48] Voice 8: Yeah, so William, please.

[0:30:49] Voice 7: yeah

[0:30:49] Voice 8: thank you chair um so uh to be certain and clear this is a amendment to the land use bylaw

[0:30:58] Voice 8: for the purposes of subdivision um we have removed the water requirement table that had

[0:31:07] Voice 8: campgrounds and all these other breakfasts all these other

[0:31:12] Voice 8: um requirements that now require a license from the government regardless of their water source

[0:31:21] Voice 8: i mean

[0:31:21] Voice 8: they could do rainwater harvesting which is different but still if it was

[0:31:25] Voice 8: imagine if it commercially used to be certain requirements of um

[0:31:32] Voice 8: industry of health for water volumes for that purpose but in this case we're talking about

[0:31:38] Voice 8: subdivision using groundwater um so there was i would if i'm i i will be as bold to say there was

[0:31:49] Voice 8: a a history of poor planning practice by using the water volumes in the proof of water for

[0:32:01] Voice 8: subdivision to then use to inform rezoning applications and other types of other types

[0:32:10] Voice 8: of applications that weren't subject and and so by removing those water tables there's there's

[0:32:16] Voice 8: something missing now for staff to then recommend to the trustees to consider how much say water

[0:32:25] Voice 8: would be required for a multi-family development that requires rezoning we've removed that now from

[0:32:33] Voice 8: land use file essentially but that type of information is likely should be in the

[0:32:41] Voice 8: in the official community and determining largely like density and and overall

[0:32:53] Voice 8: groundwater resources that type of work um in my opinion either should be in a special project or

[0:33:01] Voice 8: in the official community what we did here is satisfy a bylaw requirement that is required of

[0:33:08] Voice 8: us from the ministry of transportation infrastructure without the proof of water bylaw

[0:33:15] Voice 8: in the subdivision regulations that then goes to moti and then they have their own process

[0:33:23] Voice 8: that's undetermined. Most LTCs have this provision in the by-law, some don't. Some just pass the buck

[0:33:33] Voice 8: on to the issue of transportation. South Spring Islands has had a group of water groups for a

[0:33:40] Voice 8: while now. And so what we've done here is largely harmonize it with the Water Sustainability Act,

[0:33:47] Voice 8: and there's a lot of back and forth problems on that. And also what we looked at were the good

[0:33:54] Voice 8: subdivision consulting reports that we've seen over the last 20 years and the majority of them

[0:34:00] Voice 8: are good the majority of them had pumping tests in the range of 12 hours or greater

[0:34:05] Voice 8: the poorer ones had these short-term pump tests and they were difficult for staff to agree with

[0:34:14] Voice 8: the consultants saying this is an appropriate method to determine so through all that work

[0:34:23] Voice 8: we have come up with the bylaws i think it's

[0:34:25] Voice 1: a modern bylaw

[0:34:26] Voice 8: the the closest one to to the

[0:34:28] Voice 8: province is likely the um regional district of the nine uh sorry regional district of

[0:34:34] Voice 8: thompson that comes to nicola regional district that's right no it's not and um they they redid

[0:34:41] Voice 8: theirs just from the water sustainability after all 2016. um so we're we're leading the way here

[0:34:51] Voice 8: are in local government to ensure that our non-use bylaw is harmonized with the province

[0:34:56] Voice 8: then also we have special considerations like um very unique amenities being on islands like

[0:35:04] Voice 8: saltwater intrusion so we worked on that and that's in the bylaw and i think we are a little

[0:35:10] Voice 8: bit more aggressive not the right word but the uh the ministry staff really helped us to make

[0:35:17] Voice 8: sure our bylaw makes sense with respect with with salt water intrusion and i guess my last comment

[0:35:25] Voice 8: is that volumes and even risk of salt water intrusion if this is not like it's not a moratorium

[0:35:34] Voice 8: there's always variance right so if there's a special case they can obviously come to the ltc

[0:35:39] Voice 8: and say in our special case we need this volume or we have this salt water consideration what can

[0:35:48] Voice 8: we do about it right this is a general bylaw to capture the majorities of subdivision that's

[0:35:53] Voice 8: happening um and i i believe that this subdivision i i just don't see how this would impact the ford

[0:36:02] Voice 8: behozik by having a proof of water bylaw that for the purposes of subdivision that is trying

[0:36:10] Voice 8: to ensure that the neighbors of water sources protected as well as the eventual owners of these

[0:36:17] Voice 8: subdivisions often these subdivisions are put in by developers or surveyors and they just want to

[0:36:23] Voice 8: get it done and get it on the market and what we're ensuring is the people who are buying into

[0:36:28] Voice 8: that are investing in a good resource by having this work done up front so they may not have to

[0:36:34] Voice 8: undertake it under their own guidance right

[0:36:37] Voice 7: there's any questions okay thank you any uh

[0:36:43] Voice 7: have questions for the staff i have two i

[0:36:47] Voice 9: have a few go ahead first

[0:36:51] Voice 9: in

[0:36:51] Voice 7: the staff report we've talked about uh operations for an hour and i know you did

[0:36:58] Voice 7: but you said uh you addressed most of the comments but they they may highlight remaining areas in

[0:37:05] Voice 7: your referral so you have you have an idea of where you're different can you kind of give me

[0:37:09] Voice 7: uh hint us uh you know we haven't seen those comments where are we not in agreement with

[0:37:14] Voice 7: sure

[0:37:15] Voice 8: i think um upon formal referral to flynn row uh they may come back with a comment on the

[0:37:24] Voice 8: 12-hour minimum pump test requirement i think um they continue i can't speak on their behalf

[0:37:34] Voice 8: It looks to me like they continue to operate in a very professional reliance sort of model, which is to say that the professional hydrogeologists are the appropriate people to determine the necessary length of pumping test.

[0:37:51] Voice 8: Therefore, perhaps a 12-hour pumping test isn't always necessary in all cases.

[0:37:56] Voice 8: We have our own professional hydrogeologists who would argue the contrary to that, I think,

[0:38:03] Voice 8: which is that providing a minimum standard is actually quite helpful, right?

[0:38:06] Voice 8: It sets a high bar that can only be exceeded, essentially.

[0:38:14] Voice 8: And that's also informed by dozens of tests that are done on Salt Spring Avenue

[0:38:21] Voice 8: and the Southern Gulf Islands by other consultants.

[0:38:23] Voice 8: the the average has been 12 hours there's some consultants just

[0:38:29] Voice 7: won't do much in that those are

[0:38:34] Voice 7: the trusted

[0:38:34] Voice 8: consultants in my opinion of course so by looking at that i've had consultants and

[0:38:44] Voice 8: pump installers and drillers that said if you do less than 72 hours it's not worth the pump test

[0:38:51] Voice 8: so there's there and it just depends on what the pump test is trying to prove and in this

[0:38:58] Voice 8: case we're not trying to see how far the the spirit influence goes from a well and if they're

[0:39:06] Voice 8: going to interact with neighboring wells that these pump tests are way too short for that

[0:39:12] Voice 8: maybe even at 72 hours so doing tests like that would perform say zoning if we're going to do

[0:39:21] Voice 8: rezoning there might be something significant modeling and all this stuff what a 12-hour pump

[0:39:27] Voice 8: test will do is ensure that all of the water is evacuated from the well and it's actually pulling

[0:39:34] Voice 8: water from the aquifer in its own little sphere and it's actually going to do that and produce

[0:39:41] Voice 8: the daily volume at least in that time frame so so the 12-hour pump test has to make the daily

[0:39:59] Voice 5: I asked

[0:40:00] Voice 9: a follow-up question to that yes I mean all my years as a trustee I've had an assumption

[0:40:05] Voice 9: of what pump tests are and I'm not sure that I'm correct can you describe to me how a pump test

[0:40:12] Voice 9: works

[0:40:12] Voice 8: sure so there's there's two uh different scenarios that would happen either it's a brand

[0:40:18] Voice 8: new well or it's an existing well so let's just say a brand new well it's just a hole in the ground

[0:40:24] Voice 8: there is a 20-foot piece of steel pipe that holds back the soils and stuff and then just open rock

[0:40:31] Voice 8: and what the pump installer would for the pump test people would do is take a pump a submersible

[0:40:39] Voice 8: pump and lower it down the hole and and it's connected by a tubing and the water gets pumped

[0:40:46] Voice 8: up through the tubing and what they'll also do is lower down a digital data logger to look at

[0:40:52] Voice 8: water level every half minute and they'll turn on the pump water level will fall down and they'll

[0:41:02] Voice 8: notice that that decrease in water level and as they're pumping hopefully that water level

[0:41:07] Voice 8: stabilizes and they'll just keep pumping out the water for 12 hours in space at a constant rate

[0:41:14] Voice 8: and the

[0:41:14] Voice 9: water just goes

[0:41:15] Voice 8: out onto the street it depends like i i think that there can be a

[0:41:20] Voice 8: a better way of using it like having a pump test truck where you pump into the truck and then you

[0:41:26] Voice 8: go and fill up some fire reserve or something but for the most part it goes into the forest

[0:41:31] Voice 8: usually downstream from the well so it's not recharging back into the well

[0:41:35] Voice 8: some people do other things with it it's a lot of water

[0:41:40] Voice 8: it's scary for a little well to do that so what a pump test is doing however is mimicking

[0:41:49] Voice 8: actual use. So for example, there's this big subdivision development in Paldi, which is

[0:41:56] Voice 8: across the way in the Couch Valley. They were doing this massive pump test. It was a really

[0:42:00] Voice 8: big well, thousands of gallons. And they were just putting it on the surface and it was running

[0:42:05] Voice 8: into the creek and people took photos and it was a big deal. And there was a lot of people

[0:42:10] Voice 8: complaining. And however, the hydrogeologist stated, this is how much water is going to come

[0:42:14] Voice 8: from the swell to satisfy this development it's just going into houses and then into toilets and

[0:42:20] Voice 8: then into washing machines and so it is it looks like a lot of water but then that's it's the

[0:42:27] Voice 8: maximum amount of use per day for sure like if we're testing well at 2 000 liters per day that's

[0:42:35] Voice 8: a lot of water but you have a garden so

[0:42:38] Voice 9: on an island with water shortage issues somehow it

[0:42:41] Voice 9: makes me pretty uncomfortable to see that could

[0:42:43] Voice 7: we not i mean at least request or suggest that

[0:42:48] Voice 7: the water be collected um because i you know i have spoken to people that have done it in the

[0:42:54] Voice 7: middle of the summer and it's you know they get upset when they don't want to do the test in the

[0:42:58] Voice 7: summer that'll be their argument because they're scared um and then the water just gets wasted

[0:43:04] Voice 7: it so we

[0:43:05] Voice 8: can put into the proof for subdivision that there's a storage requirement they fill the

[0:43:12] Voice 8: storage

[0:43:13] Voice 7: because

[0:43:14] Voice 8: it's only it's only a few thousand liters it's not like like these multi-day pump

[0:43:19] Voice 8: tests where you can yield thousands of hundreds of thousands of liters so a regular storage

[0:43:25] Voice 8: container is 5 000 gallons so they would likely just fill that in the pump test we're talking

[0:43:32] Voice 8: of a really low producing wells on the side especially now where the subdivisions are going

[0:43:39] Voice 8: like the big booming wells are in five acre subdivisions up on belcher and things like that

[0:43:45] Voice 8: it's most of that's locked out the majority of the of the pump test reports that i've seen on

[0:43:53] Voice 8: this island in the last 10 years have been less than three gallons which is a really good producer

[0:43:59] Voice 8: which is what less than three gallons per minute yeah so

[0:44:02] Voice 9: then you said

[0:44:03] Voice 8: something after that uh

[0:44:04] Voice 8: sorry then you said something oh sorry i'm rumbling so less than three gallons a minute

[0:44:08] Voice 8: so that doesn't produce in a 12-hour pumping test that will only produce a few thousand

[0:44:14] Voice 8: liters of water but but having it collected is not a bad idea i i think like there there

[0:44:22] Voice 8: maybe can be temporary storage like using bladder tanks or something like that but

[0:44:27] Voice 8: But if you want to talk about equity, capturing that water will increase the cost of the pumping test.

[0:44:36] Voice 8: But if the owners already have storage, then there's no reason for it to not go into that storage.

[0:44:44] Voice 8: And the majority of the time, if the pump tests are done in the summertime,

[0:44:51] Voice 8: groundwater levels are still higher than the lowest time, which is usually in the late fall.

[0:44:59] Voice 8: so doing a pump test in the summertime and watering a garden with it or watering the trees

[0:45:04] Voice 8: or putting into cedars it's probably not a bad thing to do but if the ltc would want to ensure

[0:45:14] Voice 8: that pump tests are done at a time where groundwater is the most limited it would be

[0:45:19] Voice 8: in late september october we're even seeing those groundwater levels to early with that for now

[0:45:30] Voice 7: i see it more as a suggestion but um and i see that as i think it further in the staff report

[0:45:36] Voice 7: sort of says it's minimal public consultation i see that it's tough on there um which is always

[0:45:42] Voice 7: more interest than you expect but i also look at the value of the communication once changes are

[0:45:49] Voice 7: made um that you know having someone pump a well and then you tell them it's no good they have to

[0:45:54] Voice 7: do it again is worse than you know not flushing the water um so uh you know we need to make sure

[0:46:02] Voice 7: we've got good communications um you know to people considering doing uh subdivisions that

[0:46:10] Voice 7: it's crystal clear so they don't go out and accidentally do the wrong test and then have

[0:46:13] Voice 7: to do it again

[0:46:14] Voice 8: yeah i think um what we've noticed is that subdivision even though it made the owner

[0:46:22] Voice 8: the owner, the benefactor, maybe the landowner, it seems like the subdivision is undertaken

[0:46:25] Voice 8: by a few companies on the island. One in particular, like a surveying company that will then manage

[0:46:34] Voice 8: the whole subdivision. But we've had families just take on the subdivision application on

[0:46:44] Voice 8: their own, like for a simple two lots subdivision. And so in that case, I think those people

[0:46:54] Voice 8: would benefit most from this because this gives clear signaling to whoever they get for their

[0:47:00] Voice 8: consultant where rather than a consultant just selling them what they should do and trying to

[0:47:07] Voice 8: follow the bylaws that

[0:47:09] Voice 7: relates to sort of one substance that's all

[0:47:15] Voice 7: i do look at it for my neighbor that um

[0:47:23] Voice 7: um uh subdivided a lot but they had to do the pump test on both their original house and the

[0:47:32] Voice 7: new lot i'm curious as to why you would have to do that when you've already got a established well

[0:47:40] Voice 7: on a house for years

[0:47:42] Voice 8: because this is the second scenario when christy grove was asking about

[0:47:49] Voice 8: what's a pump test where there's an open hole and they just drop down and pump it for the

[0:47:53] Voice 8: sake of pumping it there's the other case where it is an existing well and there is already a

[0:47:59] Voice 8: domestic pump down there not a high power pump test pump and so that that is a whole other

[0:48:05] Voice 8: scenario which putting down one of those digital data loggers into the well it could be very

[0:48:12] Voice 8: difficult depending on how that well is put together there's two different types of well

[0:48:17] Voice 8: there's there's the pitless adapter where the water comes from the side of the well they actually

[0:48:21] Voice 8: drill a hole in the casing and there's another one called a sanitary seal where everything's kind of

[0:48:26] Voice 8: like on the cap and to like remove that cap and put something down the well is a thousand dollars

[0:48:34] Voice 8: just by doing that right so like because you need the pump test and sort of hold on to the pump it's

[0:48:40] Voice 8: the old way of doing it and the people that have that type of well would benefit of removing it and

[0:48:47] Voice 8: and getting the newer technology with pitless adapter

[0:48:51] Voice 8: because it's cleaner and safer.

[0:48:54] Voice 8: But in that case, what can happen is that

[0:48:58] Voice 8: the pump test can be done using the existing pump

[0:49:02] Voice 8: that's down there.

[0:49:05] Voice 8: My

[0:49:05] Voice 7: question was why there's a whole new lot

[0:49:08] Voice 7: and there's an existing house and well,

[0:49:10] Voice 7: there are whole new wells being drilled on the new lot.

[0:49:14] Voice 7: Why are we doing a pump test on the remainder lot?

[0:49:19] Voice 7: as well that was my question i think that that

[0:49:22] Voice 8: is that is primarily a matter of interpretation

[0:49:25] Voice 8: of what constitutes a lot so under the subdivision regulations because each lot in a proposed

[0:49:31] Voice 8: subdivision must be supplied with sufficient water to supply all uses buildings and structures

[0:49:35] Voice 8: permitted on the lot by the bylaw according to the standards set out in table one and so when

[0:49:41] Voice 8: you undertake a subdivision you are turning one lot into two and so even though that the original

[0:49:48] Voice 8: a lot has an existing well on it you are creating a new a new lot under the land under the land

[0:49:53] Voice 8: title act right that gets registered under a separate pid and so um in order to comply with

[0:50:00] Voice 8: the bylaw and prove that each lot in a proposed subdivision has sufficient water to supply all

[0:50:06] Voice 8: the uses you would need to undertake well that

[0:50:11] Voice 7: would be i mean that's something i'm going to

[0:50:13] Voice 7: want to know more about to understand that um especially if it's a good well and a large

[0:50:21] Voice 7: I

[0:50:22] Voice 8: mean, if I would say that if the landowner can furnish staff with sufficient proof that

[0:50:30] Voice 8: they do have a good well of information, that it's a standard that would be acceptable to

[0:50:35] Voice 8: a resident hydrogeologist, then I suppose we could consider the need for a new pumping

[0:50:41] Voice 8: test.

[0:50:41] Voice 8: I don't know how you

[0:50:42] Voice 8: feel about that.

[0:50:43] Voice 8: Yeah.

[0:50:44] Voice 8: Again, I think it comes down to the variance.

[0:50:47] Voice 8: and so what we're asking for is every lot of the subdivision group of water by way of a pumping test

[0:50:53] Voice 8: the the issue that that i experienced with secondary speeds is that proof of water was

[0:50:59] Voice 8: provided by a real estate agent and i just i by by just submitting a well record um another proof

[0:51:06] Voice 8: of water was a handwritten note from an owner saying i've used this well for 30 years nothing's

[0:51:12] Voice 8: wrong and it's and that might very well be but that's not proof of water

[0:51:18] Voice 7: so

[0:51:19] Voice 8: if you know we're

[0:51:22] Voice 8: satisfying a requirement of modi not one of island's trust in this case so it would have to

[0:51:30] Voice 8: be that we would refer to modi saying we have to refer the proof of water to them for the lot that

[0:51:41] Voice 8: they're creating because the parent law is gone it gets dissolved and two different pids or three

[0:51:48] Voice 8: or four different pids get created so staff want to ensure that we have proof of water for those

[0:51:57] Voice 8: new pids parcels that are created and so if there is a difference in they can very well provide

[0:52:05] Voice 8: provide different evidence through variants to proof of water that would come down to the

[0:52:13] Voice 8: professional reliance model but I don't know how hydrogeologists come in and say

[0:52:19] Voice 8: I certify proof of water on this lot without doing an investigation just by word of mouth

[0:52:24] Voice 8: from the owner I just see that I just see the professional governance of that breaking down

[0:52:33] Voice 8: so so that's I

[0:52:35] Voice 7: just say that's something I'm going to want to know more of as we go through

[0:52:37] Voice 7: the process here the other is the volumes and i know you changed it from the initial draft or at

[0:52:44] Voice 7: least what i saw on the other islands because this pilot is ahead we are not the first anymore we're

[0:52:49] Voice 7: the third to be seeing this so it's the the gates are open the horses are out of the barn um they

[0:52:58] Voice 7: had a second secondary suite or accessory building as the the extra two thousand pounds now it's

[0:53:05] Voice 7: It's changed

[0:53:05] Voice 5: here to be a

[0:53:06] Voice 7: dwelling, 2,000 liters, sorry.

[0:53:11] Voice 7: This is something I want to understand more about.

[0:53:13] Voice 7: You have a parcel of water, and right now I did go

[0:53:17] Voice 7: and I looked at the reference that you made.

[0:53:19] Voice 7: In fact, I looked at the fact that it's actually

[0:53:21] Voice 7: within the precedence of rights that that's listed there.

[0:53:26] Voice 7: So I want to understand more about, you know,

[0:53:29] Voice 7: because that's part, yes, we're going to have

[0:53:30] Voice 7: this conversation of density, but we're doing things

[0:53:33] Voice 7: at different time periods, so I don't want to be

[0:53:34] Voice 7: setting up a problem that causes us more difficulty is you know the concept is you have

[0:53:43] Voice 7: you know you've got the quantity of water to serve the expected uses on the parcel

[0:53:50] Voice 7: and that a primary residence and an accessory residence lacks another word is really one set

[0:54:02] Voice 7: of use um i'm hoping that we're kind of moving toward for uh averaging that and it's to me very

[0:54:10] Voice 7: different from they're putting three full dwellings on a lot

[0:54:13] Voice 7: which we really don't have that

[0:54:15] Voice 7: circumstances yet maybe

[0:54:17] Voice 7: we'll have flexible uh housing or or something in the near near term

[0:54:22] Voice 7: i hope um but we don't yet um so i that's something i want to understand more about i mean

[0:54:29] Voice 7: I mean, I'm okay with first opening this door

[0:54:32] Voice 7: and have this conversation,

[0:54:33] Voice 7: but this is what

[0:54:34] Voice 5: I want to understand.

[0:54:41] Voice 7: We're not complicating the process.

[0:54:43] Voice 7: If they were to get subdivided permission,

[0:54:47] Voice 7: they now go and build their primary residence

[0:54:49] Voice 7: and they're allotted to have,

[0:54:52] Voice 7: allowed to have, for lack of,

[0:54:56] Voice 7: only what's allowed today, a seasonal cottage,

[0:55:00] Voice 7: that they would have that permission.

[0:55:03] Voice 7: Water is what I'm trying to get at

[0:55:05] Voice 7: so that they're not coming back and doing a whole nother pump test on their well

[0:55:09] Voice 7: two years later to say, oh look, I could have a seasonal cottage. It should be factored into your

[0:55:15] Voice 7: well can supply these uses. And when I look at, you know, Thompson and Nicola, I have one out there,

[0:55:22] Voice 7: they don't have that breakdown. They go, they have the 2400 liters. You know, this is 4000 liters.

[0:55:30] Voice 7: That's starting to get up there. So that's a number I want us to understand more about before second reading on this is to know more on is this the right volume to cover that, you know, basically primary residence and one accessory dwelling unit.

[0:55:52] Voice 7: it fixed size because to me they're not equal in that case you know to say 2 000 liters on the

[0:55:59] Voice 7: primary residence and 2 000 liters on an accessory dwelling unit that can be no greater than x

[0:56:04] Voice 7: we already know that it's you know it's not when a primary residence could be a six bedroom house

[0:56:10] Voice 7: with six bathrooms and all these other things so they're not equal um and that's what i want

[0:56:17] Voice 7: to make sure we're being fair in that number um

[0:56:24] Voice 8: maybe i would just say that it's important

[0:56:27] Voice 8: to recognize that the volumes proposed here are volumes that we believe will protect the

[0:56:36] Voice 8: sustainable yield right to say that not exceed the safe yield of these water sources in essentially

[0:56:44] Voice 8: Yeah, worst case water use scenarios. They are not the equivalent of recognized average household water consumption, right? Like I think I know that most single family dwellings probably consume in the neighborhood of 600 liters per day, let's say, right?

[0:57:06] Voice 8: Right. So the two are not coterminous. This this idea of protecting the groundwater resource is not the equivalent is not sort of is not equal to average daily consumption of a single family.

[0:57:24] Voice 8: They're two separate. Yeah. And to that, this is establishing right for a thousand years, 10,000 years.

[0:57:32] Voice 8: like i understand that

[0:57:34] Voice 8: like notwithstanding a complete reconfiguration of property rights with

[0:57:39] Voice 8: respective first nations engagement but this is establishing water right probably in the best

[0:57:50] Voice 8: water time for the next 100 200 years and and just to just on the technical aspect of that rather

[0:57:58] Voice 8: than the holistic one that i'm trying to get at 4 000 liters per day is still is less than a gallon

[0:58:04] Voice 8: per minute we're talking very low volumes

[0:58:07] Voice 7: which is why i'm saying i'd prefer one number not two

[0:58:12] Voice 7: well

[0:58:12] Voice 8: it's one number per it's one number but times how many dwellings but

[0:58:16] Voice 7: that's where that's again

[0:58:19] Voice 7: i'm i'm saying i think the day is done we don't want to build more subdivisions with

[0:58:24] Voice 7: large single family homes on them ever again that's the wrong future for this for for us we

[0:58:31] Voice 7: know that people need to live differently and that they're going to need to you know that we

[0:58:37] Voice 7: want them to have rental units or you know they're living two families to a lot or what they're what

[0:58:43] Voice 7: they're doing so we know that people are going to be living differently and that's what i'm trying

[0:58:47] Voice 7: to make sure that we're considering there's one well on the property um and and that's an

[0:58:52] Voice 7: interesting question is there is there limits uh you know i i live on 24 acres could i throw 24

[0:58:59] Voice 7: wells several well to excess refill you know sort of i think

[0:59:06] Voice 5: we need to give some thought to that

[0:59:07] Voice 5: just to making sure that we

[0:59:11] Voice 7: are building a number that is uh that is it will work for so that the

[0:59:20] Voice 7: parcels are equal so to speak because otherwise um and it's hard when you're saying okay someone's

[0:59:27] Voice 7: creating a new subdivision of 20 lots versus i'm subdividing you know a chunk off of my property

[0:59:35] Voice 7: for my kid um that's very different than you know the other one and to me it's like once the

[0:59:43] Voice 7: subdivisions created that the range of uses should be possible that's my challenge i'm not we don't

[0:59:54] Voice 7: to debate this, I'm just trying to make you think that way, is, is there a number?

[1:00:00] Voice 7: that then your lot you know is you're able to have that flexibility in the use my

[1:00:09] Voice 8: my concern

[1:00:10] Voice 8: with one number let's let's let's say the number is four thousand right let's say it's your single

[1:00:16] Voice 8: family dwelling plus an accessory dwelling unit and the number we choose is four thousand that

[1:00:22] Voice 8: then in a way i don't know if it penalizes it penalizes those lots that are not sufficiently

[1:00:30] Voice 8: large to have that accessory dwelling unit because they would still be required under

[1:00:36] Voice 8: the by-law to pump that 4,000 litres per day, even though the lot is only allowed a single

[1:00:41] Voice 8: family dwelling as opposed to a single family dwelling plus an accessory dwelling.

[1:00:46] Voice 8: This way, those lots that are only large enough to support a single family dwelling, they

[1:00:53] Voice 8: have to group 2,000 litres per day.

[1:00:55] Voice 8: Those that are large enough to support a single family dwelling plus an accessory dwelling

[1:01:00] Voice 8: would have to be up to $4,000.

[1:01:02] Voice 7: See, I'd rather do something like that

[1:01:03] Voice 7: because otherwise,

[1:01:04] Voice 7: I'm a developer. I'm going

[1:01:07] Voice 7: for the cheapest route I possibly

[1:01:09] Voice 7: can to get

[1:01:09] Voice 7: those lots on the market. I am not going

[1:01:11] Voice 7: to do the two. I'm going to do the one.

[1:01:13] Voice 7: So, I mean, that's just going to be how

[1:01:15] Voice 7: they're going to do it. So

[1:01:17] Voice 7: I almost see that maybe it is

[1:01:19] Voice 7: a lot size

[1:01:24] Voice 7: approach on that as well.

[1:01:26] Voice 7: Anyway, this is more

[1:01:27] Voice 7: of a conversation. I don't see the difference.

[1:01:29] Voice 8: It's a good conversation.

[1:01:31] Voice 8: like as a hydrogeologist i have extreme trouble with this because what what happens in in reality

[1:01:43] Voice 8: saddened that my professional colleagues continue to do this is that they take this 2 000 liters

[1:01:48] Voice 8: per day or 4 000 liters per day and then scale that to liters per minute and then that's what

[1:01:56] Voice 8: the well gets proved on and 2 000 liters per day is a 0.3 gallon as well it's very very

[1:02:04] Voice 8: very low producing well saying that to reach this volume requirement you're going to pump that thing

[1:02:12] Voice 8: for 24 hours per day no domestic property pumps their well for 24 hours per day so it's if you

[1:02:21] Voice 8: take this half a gallon as well and pump it at three or four hours per day you're going to get

[1:02:28] Voice 8: that operational use that we're talking about so by choosing the 2,000 or 4,000 liters per day

[1:02:36] Voice 8: we're ensuring that the rate of the well

[1:02:38] Voice 8: is actually gonna produce the operation

[1:02:41] Voice 8: by removing this volume amount in three hours

[1:02:46] Voice 8: or two hours per day, people usually do.

[1:02:50] Voice 8: It's an issue with the discipline.

[1:02:53] Voice 7: I know, I hear you, but I'm just saying,

[1:02:55] Voice 7: this is something I wanna understand more

[1:02:56] Voice 7: to make sure that we're setting something

[1:02:58] Voice 7: that is looking futuristic, not backwards,

[1:03:01] Voice 7: that, you know, that creating more subdivisions

[1:03:03] Voice 7: and things that, you know, family,

[1:03:07] Voice 7: lots our houses really is not a good future for us um for

[1:03:13] Voice 8: the moment that's that is what

[1:03:16] Voice 8: present zoning on the island permits right

[1:03:17] Voice 7: i know you're of the

[1:03:18] Voice 8: subdivision potential that we have

[1:03:20] Voice 8: on the island

[1:03:20] Voice 7: this is i said chicken and egg we're either making this match our current system that

[1:03:25] Voice 7: is creating the problem we have or we try to step ahead of it to me i'm trying to step ahead of it

[1:03:30] Voice 7: I

[1:03:30] Voice 8: agree with you there there's going to be some very unique perhaps numberous unique cases where

[1:03:43] Voice 8: we're going to engage in finding affordable housing solutions for the island and in those

[1:03:52] Voice 8: cases the majority of those cases it's going to be beneficial to have a managed water system under

[1:03:58] Voice 8: a water license so this this is just this is that big house subdivision that's what this is doing

[1:04:08] Voice 8: because if if there's going to be a unique eco zoning or multi-family zoning or a rezoning

[1:04:15] Voice 8: application of any kind there's going to be a proof of water exercise there through the ltc

[1:04:21] Voice 8: and if there is a unique case where there's more than three dwellings that are associated with one

[1:04:30] Voice 8: well it's likely that would have to go to a license and then that that's different than this

[1:04:35] Voice 8: this is this is addressing single family dwelling housing satisfying the requirement of oti the

[1:04:42] Voice 8: majority of conversation we should definitely carry on this conversation a lot of this

[1:04:47] Voice 8: should end up in the ocp so

[1:04:51] Voice 7: in context of what we're trying to do here today this is first

[1:04:55] Voice 7: reading we're going to send it up to referral and we can tweak and adjust and refine it as we see

[1:05:01] Voice 7: appropriate based upon the feedback sure

[1:05:03] Voice 8: and chair i'm just wondering to um address the

[1:05:07] Voice 8: comments from jesse patrick like do we need um direction from the ltc to say

[1:05:14] Voice 8: go away and do this particular set of like like answer a particular question from trustee patrick

[1:05:22] Voice 8: or or are we just uh comfortable with the process as we go through the bylaw process

[1:05:28] Voice 8: we will address that i

[1:05:30] Voice 7: think i'd like to ask you to put more thought into this

[1:05:33] Voice 7: this piece here just so that's what i want you to think about it of how we can make sure that

[1:05:41] Voice 7: this number is is moving us in a direction that contemplates you know the way people are going to

[1:05:52] Voice 7: need to live um yeah

[1:05:57] Voice 9: so peter broke yeah i

[1:05:59] Voice 9: am yeah i don't think it should go out this way i found

[1:06:02] Voice 9: this confusing and this conversation is actually confusing me more not less um the uh the numbers

[1:06:09] Voice 9: are so unrealistic to what's

[1:06:11] Voice 9: actually happened.

[1:06:12] Voice 9: North Salt Spring, according to a

[1:06:14] Voice 9: review I took last night,

[1:06:16] Voice 9: they average 200 litres

[1:06:19] Voice 9: per

[1:06:21] Voice 9: house a day.

[1:06:23] Voice 9: In my house,

[1:06:25] Voice 9: we average, we have a pump and I put

[1:06:27] Voice 9: a metre on it some years ago,

[1:06:28] Voice 9: not much more than that.

[1:06:30] Voice 9: So to be talking of 2,000

[1:06:32] Voice 9: litres just blows

[1:06:34] Voice 9: everybody's mind and it's going to shut

[1:06:36] Voice 9: everything down and

[1:06:38] Voice 9: that in terms of people's lives at least in terms of affordable housing for sure so um the number i

[1:06:45] Voice 9: like the sound dogs half a gallon per minute but for a period of time so you're tested you're

[1:06:53] Voice 9: shaking but that was your number you said no i'm

[1:06:55] Voice 8: saying that's not i that's not what staff are

[1:06:58] Voice 8: recommending 2000 liters per day because that is the the dean bright under the water sustainability

[1:07:04] Voice 8: Water Sustainability Act.

[1:07:05] Voice 8: Sorry,

[1:07:05] Voice 9: I'm going to interrupt you there.

[1:07:06] Voice 9: What we're talking

[1:07:07] Voice 8: about in general is how to prove that for a pumping test, and yes,

[1:07:11] Voice 8: that does yield half a gallon a minute.

[1:07:13] Voice 9: But sorry, if we're talking about the Water Sustainability Act, if we're trying

[1:07:17] Voice 9: to be in line with them, that's maybe what we should do and not go any further than that

[1:07:23] Voice 9: with additional tests and such like.

[1:07:25] Voice 9: But if we're doing tests to prove adequate water, and you're saying that half a gallon

[1:07:31] Voice 9: a minute is actually what the average household uses i mean that to my mind would be a number

[1:07:36] Voice 9: that one could that makes sense to people and you'd say half a gallon a minute for you know

[1:07:42] Voice 9: a number of hours of the test um but this this is going to cause some a lot of confusion by the way

[1:07:49] Voice 9: and speak of confusion if i turn to page 103 there's a potable water supply standards for

[1:07:55] Voice 9: subdivision and we're talking about 1600 meters that's the existing table

[1:08:01] Voice 9: but that's the existing

[1:08:02] Voice 9: i figured about thank you

[1:08:03] Voice 7: like can i help because i think i think we're talking apples and oranges

[1:08:06] Voice 9: yes we are i'm quite sure

[1:08:07] Voice 7: and that's the problem you you started off saying it's been a bad habit

[1:08:11] Voice 7: over time we're we've been using this table to make other decisions yeah um and so that's why

[1:08:17] Voice 7: you're used to seeing this table because it has showed up as bad habits of being that so that's

[1:08:25] Voice 7: got to stop and i think that's the point and i think the clarity needs to be made this is this

[1:08:29] Voice 7: is just a proof of water a one-time test and

[1:08:32] Voice 5: to

[1:08:33] Voice 7: prove it um and it's that is not like you know

[1:08:40] Voice 7: thompson nicola which i went and printed off a little bit um it's similar so i think that

[1:08:48] Voice 7: really needs to be made clear that you know this is not because people do get confused

[1:08:53] Voice 7: people think that oh then this means i get to use 2 000 gallons of liters a day and you know so you

[1:09:00] Voice 7: get a lot of confusion and that's where the communications piece becomes critical that this

[1:09:05] Voice 7: is simply a test um and we don't want to confuse people for that and

[1:09:14] Voice 8: with that trustee patrick i

[1:09:15] Voice 8: think it's the same technical nature as as lot coverage like you can use 30 of your lot i'm not

[1:09:24] Voice 8: the planner so i don't know these numbers but that means you can build a 40 000 square foot home

[1:09:29] Voice 8: nobody does that right so the the i think you're right the issue is is that when people everyone's

[1:09:37] Voice 8: concerned with water right if this was like building code for dimensional lumber it would

[1:09:41] Voice 8: but this is a technical test to ensure that we are subdividing lots or we're providing

[1:09:54] Voice 8: providing information through our referral to moti for them to subdivide lots like this is this

[1:10:01] Voice 8: is for moti that's that's what this proof of water

[1:10:05] Voice 7: has a 2500 liter base right so this is

[1:10:09] Voice 7: replaced so that would be the option that still exists so i think the issue is that this is going

[1:10:16] Voice 7: out like press sitting right next to us right now that that clarity needs to be established

[1:10:22] Voice 7: so people don't freak out because that's the that's

[1:10:25] Voice 4: the facebook post look at the island

[1:10:26] Voice 4: stress is going to allow 2 000 gallons you know for liters a day

[1:10:29] Voice 7: north salisbury says it's only

[1:10:32] Voice 7: people don't understand the apples and this is complex science i agree and um and you know it's

[1:10:39] Voice 7: going to go out there and get misunderstood yeah and so i think that that needs it needs to have

[1:10:44] Voice 7: you know immediately that clarity that this is they're not related right and

[1:10:51] Voice 8: and just one

[1:10:52] Voice 8: One last thing I want to say is that usually when we talk about water, we're talking about big numbers.

[1:11:00] Voice 8: We actually report a lot of water use in decameters cubed, which is a million liters.

[1:11:07] Voice 8: So when we're doing water budgets, we'll say a thousand decameters per year.

[1:11:13] Voice 8: an average performing well two gallon a minute well which five liters per minute well is between

[1:11:22] Voice 8: 7,000 and 8,000 liters per day and that's probably the average well on salt spring ground so

[1:11:30] Voice 8: trustee grove when you're saying half a gallon per minute i'm saying that's probably operationally

[1:11:37] Voice 8: what's what a well would use most of the pumps can't do that low volume they have to actually

[1:11:44] Voice 8: do a higher volume push against the head to move the water out of the well and that's usually a

[1:11:49] Voice 8: few gallons per minute it's actually very rare to have a low powered pump especially in a deeper

[1:11:55] Voice 8: well and so 2 000 liters per day then scale to this liters per minute thing is is the absolute

[1:12:05] Voice 8: minimum and and i think you're right it doesn't equate to an operational one and and i think

[1:12:11] Voice 8: we can be clear with that as we go forward in the bylaw when we're presenting this and and perhaps

[1:12:17] Voice 8: this is leading to another discussion on how are we going to talk about water and the ocp and and

[1:12:24] Voice 8: can we start asking these questions about how much like occupancy rates we don't know we would like

[1:12:32] Voice 8: Like staff usually take analysis and provide to the LTCs through rezonings and through their consultants of what an occupancy rate would be for water.

[1:12:44] Voice 8: And in multifamily dwellings, say in North Salt Spring District or in more restrictive groundwater regions, we'll get down to that 400 liters per day per person or whatever it is.

[1:12:58] Voice 8: like croftonbrook was like down to the drop right we're we're talking about deem right on a

[1:13:03] Voice 8: five acre property here those are two two different things with and and also distributed

[1:13:10] Voice 8: infrastructure right so i had a leak in my place in the winter time and i was gone for four days

[1:13:17] Voice 8: and i calculated that i lost maybe several tens of thousands of liters of water from the break

[1:13:24] Voice 8: because I've been artesian well. It's kept coming. So it's apples and oranges when we talk about

[1:13:33] Voice 8: how much water is in the glass to what we're doing with deep rain.

[1:13:36] Voice 9: You're right.

[1:13:37] Voice 9: The bottom line is this is extremely confusing.

[1:13:41] Voice 9: It's complicated, but it needs to be simplified. By the way, just as an aside, I don't quite

[1:13:47] Voice 9: understand why we need a different set of rules for subdivisions as for single construction.

[1:13:54] Voice 9: um the actual numbers in terms of usage should should be similar so

[1:14:03] Voice 8: yeah i think i think there

[1:14:06] Voice 8: it's it's the the question of protecting the long-term sustainability of the groundwater

[1:14:13] Voice 8: resources resource versus proving that you have the minimum required to meet the daily needs

[1:14:19] Voice 8: which again are two separate issues right the intent at the time of subdivision is to ensure

[1:14:25] Voice 8: that there is a long-term sustainable source of groundwater

[1:14:28] Voice 8: that can supply water in all circumstances

[1:14:33] Voice 8: and in a changing climate ideally, right?

[1:14:38] Voice 8: Whereas when you apply for a building permit,

[1:14:41] Voice 8: the building inspection person asks

[1:14:42] Voice 8: whether you have a sufficient supply of water

[1:14:44] Voice 8: and you provide whatever proof you might have at that.

[1:14:46] Voice 8: And they say, okay, yeah, that looks good.

[1:14:48] Voice 8: Those are two separate issues.

[1:14:50] Voice 8: Can I just emphasize that what is being proposed here

[1:14:55] Voice 8: is not new, it's just minor,

[1:14:57] Voice 8: amendments to what is already in the land use file and under the current land use file at the

[1:15:03] Voice 8: time of the subdivision application applicants most applicants have to provide in the region

[1:15:08] Voice 8: of 3 000 liters per day already under the existing table so this is not a wholesale introduction of

[1:15:14] Voice 8: some new suite of regulations it's a thorough but technical improvement to what's currently

[1:15:24] Voice 9: But if we're changing the bylaw, let's make sure that it's user-friendly.

[1:15:30] Voice 9: It's

[1:15:33] Voice 7: the accompanying communications and the future

[1:15:35] Voice 5: communications of it that

[1:15:37] Voice 7: prevent

[1:15:40] Voice 7: story, you know, having 20 people standing in here screaming at us for numbers when it's just

[1:15:45] Voice 7: a misunderstanding. I

[1:15:46] Voice 5: think that's laid

[1:15:47] Voice 7: out right to begin with. We can avoid that misunderstanding.

[1:15:50] Voice 7: I do have a couple other questions related to that. That is 5510. It says, you know,

[1:15:55] Voice 7: that you'll have to have entered into a covenant to restrict the uses if you don't have the water

[1:15:59] Voice 7: so if uh if someone can't subdivide they can only subdivide based on the table you have today the

[1:16:04] Voice 7: 2 000 liters and they can't get the 4 000 liters and then they want to provide a accessory dwelling

[1:16:09] Voice 7: unit down the road but they could do that on rainwater or some other way would this be limiting

[1:16:16] Voice 7: them this covenant if they it says limiting it to the uses so they would only be limited to a

[1:16:21] Voice 7: single family house period forever until

[1:16:24] Voice 8: such time as the ltc agrees so

[1:16:28] Voice 7: we could agree to if

[1:16:31] Voice 7: the rainwater system was allowed on the accessory dwelling or whatever it is okay trustee patrick i

[1:16:37] Voice 8: just have one um example of that on galliano island where uh there was uh the crd did a

[1:16:44] Voice 8: subdivision uh creating park and creating uh residential lots and the residential lots at

[1:16:50] Voice 8: at the time didn't prove water.

[1:16:52] Voice 8: So there was a no-build covenant put on those lots.

[1:16:54] Voice 8: And then a driller went back in there

[1:16:58] Voice 8: and rehabilitated the well, did some scrubbing,

[1:17:01] Voice 8: did some likely some other work to increase the flow

[1:17:06] Voice 8: and they pump tested it

[1:17:08] Voice 8: and they were able to get the daily demand.

[1:17:10] Voice 8: So then the LTC dissolved that covenant

[1:17:13] Voice 8: and then that building, that parcel was built.

[1:17:18] Voice 7: And sea saltwater intrusion, those maps are out now, and I think you put a 50 meter setback on a well, and then said, you know, talk about saltwater intrusion, but should those maps be incorporated that they shouldn't be drilling?

[1:17:36] Voice 8: Well, those maps

[1:17:37] Voice 7: are there, or does that?

[1:17:38] Voice 8: Yeah, so I think, again, I think those maps are more on the OCP level.

[1:17:43] Voice 8: level like what what where this came from uh with saltwater intrusion was mostly from the

[1:17:50] Voice 8: groundwater protection regulation and then as well as a guidance document to saltwater intrusion

[1:17:56] Voice 8: prevention from the province and so it's the the maps are are for risk for determining vulnerability

[1:18:05] Voice 8: and risk where this is addressing siting and and then through the further in the bylaw

[1:18:16] Voice 8: there's a there'll be a test for chloride to ensure that parameters relating to saltwater

[1:18:24] Voice 8: intrusion are not elevated above the thresholds that the province has put out and and if they are

[1:18:31] Voice 8: are then that well wouldn't meet

[1:18:33] Voice 8: the Groundwater Protection Regulation anyway.

[1:18:35] Voice 8: It's unlawful to pump a well that has salt water intrusion.

[1:18:38] Voice 8: So we're just ensuring that wells

[1:18:40] Voice 8: don't have salt water intrusion.

[1:18:42] Voice 8: Because for example, there was a subdivision

[1:18:46] Voice 8: on Denman Island where the wells were making salt water,

[1:18:50] Voice 8: but there was no provision in the Denman by-law

[1:18:53] Voice 8: to prevent that, it just said, make the water potable.

[1:18:57] Voice 8: So according to the by-law,

[1:18:59] Voice 8: they could have just built the water treatment plants but then obviously the province stepped

[1:19:04] Voice 8: in and said well you can't operate these walls anyway so let's figure this out and they actually

[1:19:08] Voice 8: cemented off the bottom of the wells and lowered the volume of water required from a higher

[1:19:14] Voice 8: fracture that was fresh and they and they got their water so that was a unique case that they

[1:19:22] Voice 8: saw there was one well that they couldn't rehabilitate so they went to dug well

[1:19:25] Voice 8: well and that's an example here and I just don't I want to make sure the LTC is aware that we have

[1:19:34] Voice 8: put in here that subdivision 5

[1:19:38] Voice 7: -5-14 5

[1:19:39] Voice 8: -5-14 imagine you're getting there so I may be jumping ahead of

[1:19:43] Voice 8: you Trustee Patrick but that for the purposes of subdivision that alternative potable water

[1:19:49] Voice 8: supplies as a as a primary supply including dug wells rainwater catchment desalination

[1:19:55] Voice 8: are not permitted are not permitted are

[1:19:59] Voice 7: they permitted with a variance

[1:20:01] Voice 8: five five four they

[1:20:02] Voice 8: can be anything i wouldn't say anything can be permitted with a variance but

[1:20:08] Voice 8: but a variance can be brought to it

[1:20:10] Voice 7: can

[1:20:11] Voice 8: be brought to the ltc saying

[1:20:13] Voice 7: okay because that's that's the only thing because like in the thompson nicola they say that

[1:20:19] Voice 7: at, where Doug Wells, they don't talk about rainwater.

[1:20:24] Voice 7: It's a little old.

[1:20:25] Voice 7: But I think just by adding that, except we're

[1:20:29] Voice 7: allowed by variance, I think would just calm people down.

[1:20:34] Voice 7: Because people do read to that not permitted and stop.

[1:20:38] Voice 7: And I understand how bylaws are written,

[1:20:42] Voice 7: but I think that would just help calm people.

[1:20:45] Voice 9: And on that one, if I may, on page 101,

[1:20:49] Voice 9: 101. The general comment is, this clause is new and based on the following rationale.

[1:20:57] Voice 9: Well, if rainwater is too inconsistent source under the influence of climate change on which

[1:21:02] Voice 9: to increase the density, I mean, I find that terribly black and white. All you need is

[1:21:09] Voice 9: adequate storage of rainwater. And I think that that's a step backwards. Rainwater is our future,

[1:21:14] Voice 9: as far as i'm concerned so we need to be encouraging it so we need to provide storage

[1:21:19] Voice 9: adequate storage whatever you think that's reasonable and with regard to desalination

[1:21:23] Voice 9: as potentially environmentally problematic everything is potentially environmentally

[1:21:28] Voice 9: problematic or potentially so so it needs to be a desalination should be doable provided that there

[1:21:38] Voice 9: there is a means of ensuring

[1:21:40] Voice 9: it is not environmentally problematic.

[1:21:43] Voice 9: So rather than this current launch order here,

[1:21:49] Voice 9: I'd like to see those sorts of flexibilities built into it.

[1:21:53] Voice 7: Yeah, I think if they add,

[1:21:54] Voice 7: just reference the variance in team,

[1:21:58] Voice 7: that would solve that problem.

[1:21:59] Voice 7: Well, it's all

[1:21:59] Voice 7: about risk management in the future.

[1:22:01] Voice 9: If somebody comes

[1:22:01] Voice 7: to us with a 20 lot subdivision

[1:22:03] Voice 7: and trying to put it all on rainwater

[1:22:05] Voice 7: because it's on a high rock,

[1:22:06] Voice 7: you know we're going to probably say we're going to think pretty hard on that variance versus

[1:22:10] Voice 7: it's in an established area somebody's adding a second you know it's one lot and one lot or

[1:22:15] Voice 7: two lots subdivision um um that's a very different level of risk um and so i think that people just

[1:22:24] Voice 7: need to understand that and

[1:22:26] Voice 8: it's good to have that conversation at that time

[1:22:28] Voice 7: yes but i think

[1:22:30] Voice 7: being able to see that that's where this is going and i just think like some people read

[1:22:33] Voice 7: not permitted they stopped you know they just say we're now influencing the talk conversation

[1:22:41] Voice 7: that's going out

[1:22:41] Voice 7: there in the in the public this is there is a path um to get there that's all

[1:22:47] Voice 7: yeah

[1:22:48] Voice 8: and and for the desalination question i'm definitely not going to get into the weeds now

[1:22:52] Voice 8: because that's a huge conversation but desalination and docs are the same thing

[1:22:58] Voice 8: desalination and

[1:22:59] Voice 8: what desalination and docks are the same thing and docks yes because for

[1:23:05] Voice 8: desalination you have to access the marine water somehow you just can't lay infrastructure on the

[1:23:13] Voice 8: beach without having it licensed right so

[1:23:16] Voice 8: so that in that case single-family dwelling desalination

[1:23:21] Voice 8: to me is seems extremely problematic and we'll get into that discussion but it is being used on

[1:23:27] Voice 7: a number of different places on the side we're going right

[1:23:30] Voice 8: so i just don't like this i just

[1:23:32] Voice 8: wanted to to address what trustee grove was saying of providing that flexibility within

[1:23:38] Voice 8: the bylaw of desalination staff is not supportive of that i think as it reads here with desalination

[1:23:47] Voice 8: and rainwater this is what staff are supportive of that it's not permitted for subdivision

[1:23:54] Voice 8: in the bylaw if there's a variance that's backed with a whole bunch of other supporting evidence

[1:24:01] Voice 8: then we can forward on to modi for them to consider then that's would have to be through

[1:24:06] Voice 8: a very complicated variance it's

[1:24:09] Voice 7: a scale thing again it's like you're taking a peninsula and

[1:24:12] Voice 7: putting in 40 big mansions and they're going to serve off of desalination you have a different

[1:24:17] Voice 7: opinion it's you know a single lot subdivision in the established area so

[1:24:22] Voice 9: it's a question of how the

[1:24:24] Voice 9: file is written and i think it should not be black and white i think there have to be an um

[1:24:30] Voice 9: alternative means of dealing with it

[1:24:32] Voice 7: there is it just wasn't clear

[1:24:34] Voice 8: yeah the entire bylaw is a set

[1:24:37] Voice 8: of black and white rules and the words unless allowed by variance is not included after every

[1:24:44] Voice 8: clause in the land use bylaw it's just a fact that you can vary much of the language by law

[1:24:49] Voice 8: by variance except the use of density i

[1:24:51] Voice 7: understand there was a couple of key places where i think

[1:24:54] Voice 7: saying it just just deflates the the concern i

[1:25:01] Voice 8: hear the communication the requirement for

[1:25:05] Voice 8: communications is uh is clear that

[1:25:08] Voice 7: was one of my primary questions getting a

[1:25:12] Voice 7: little anxious about

[1:25:13] Voice 7: time and um the conversation has obviously been very broad outside of this particular

[1:25:22] Voice 7: set of recommendations to advance this through uh first reading and referrals and so is there

[1:25:30] Voice 7: anything further on advancing this well i think the only amendment i would make is to 5514 to

[1:25:37] Voice 7: make the reference to it unless allowed by variance so are you clear on what that that

[1:25:45] Voice 7: amendment is and maybe we should have that

[1:25:49] Voice 7: spoken to specifically so that it's in the record yeah

[1:25:52] Voice 8: sure chair and it could be um it could be like another clause so

[1:25:58] Voice 7: add a clause to say what

[1:26:01] Voice 8: it's

[1:26:03] Voice 8: similar to if there's not adequate supply that then the LTC would put it under covenant

[1:26:08] Voice 8: something like that there could be rather than saying this can be varied that perhaps there can

[1:26:13] Voice 8: be another clause that says if an alternative support I'm

[1:26:17] Voice 7: not a planner

[1:26:18] Voice 8: so this is yeah so

[1:26:19] Voice 7: I'm fishing for the exact words because if we're going to follow through this recommendation with

[1:26:25] Voice 7: first reading we need to be giving first reading to something very specific and unless we're going

[1:26:31] Voice 7: going to uh defer this until another meeting um then we want to have

[1:26:36] Voice 9: that this is not ready for

[1:26:37] Voice 9: first reading i don't think oh well we talked about how confusing it is we talked about how

[1:26:42] Voice 9: there's a mixed message and it's some it's going to cause havoc this first reading okay so then

[1:26:49] Voice 7: we're going to send this back to staff we're redrafting and return it to us that's what i

[1:26:55] Voice 7: wasn't clear on that's where we were going sure

[1:26:57] Voice 8: we would need some direction on on in which way

[1:27:00] Voice 8: it needs to be redrafted because as like as it stands it is essentially what's already in the

[1:27:06] Voice 8: land use by law with a few yeah

[1:27:09] Voice 7: and that's kind of where i've there's been a very in-depth

[1:27:12] Voice 7: conversation about aspirational aspects of what the future looks like for housing and subdivision

[1:27:19] Voice 7: where i think you started off by saying this is doing two things is changing some numbers to

[1:27:24] Voice 7: to reflect a current reality based upon capacities

[1:27:29] Voice 7: and fixing the fact that the Freshwater Sustainability Act

[1:27:35] Voice 7: has removed certain attributes that are in the bylaw

[1:27:40] Voice 7: to reconcile that.

[1:27:42] Voice 7: And so I think it's also clear to me

[1:27:44] Voice 7: in all of this is lots more conversation and communication

[1:27:47] Voice 7: and perhaps amendments, but perhaps,

[1:27:50] Voice 7: and I totally get that we don't wanna send

[1:27:53] Voice 7: the wrong message out to the community

[1:27:54] Voice 7: because that will create some havoc for us unnecessarily um so how do we get from this

[1:28:03] Voice 7: this broader conversation to asking staff to bring this back with some amendments to achieve

[1:28:10] Voice 7: the original intent which you started out the conversation yeah

[1:28:14] Voice 8: and and thanks for that chair i

[1:28:16] Voice 8: i i believe that if we went to second reading and they got referred out and and staff got those

[1:28:22] Voice 8: referrals back we would have the ability to have more information right

[1:28:29] Voice 9: like

[1:28:31] Voice 8: right now staff like

[1:28:33] Voice 8: we're providing you the best bylaw that we can provide um taking what trustee patrick was saying

[1:28:39] Voice 8: like of course everything can be varied but if there is a clause that says if alternative supply

[1:28:45] Voice 8: is being explored then the ltc blah blah clause or whatever it is i don't know i'm not a planner

[1:28:51] Voice 8: but at this time this bylaw still does that right because it can be varied so that's just

[1:28:58] Voice 8: communications that we provide exactly you've just

[1:29:02] Voice 7: answered you've just hinted about what my

[1:29:04] Voice 7: next question is how can we advance this as it is and be sure that the communication that goes with

[1:29:13] Voice 7: it doesn't start

[1:29:14] Voice 8: a fight given what i'm hearing today maybe it is best not to advance it right

[1:29:22] Voice 8: now but perhaps to return to you with some draft communications materials to see if that allays

[1:29:32] Voice 8: some of the concerns that that you are concerned about that your concerns about the concern you

[1:29:38] Voice 8: are going to hear from

[1:29:39] Voice 7: your constituents so barring specifics can we say that we move this

[1:29:44] Voice 7: staff firm this with this bylaw at a future meeting with fresh communications

[1:29:53] Voice 7: material as discussed rather than specifics and

[1:29:57] Voice 9: are you satisfied

[1:30:00] Voice 9: that i

[1:30:00] Voice 5: think so um

[1:30:01] Voice 9: yes i think so too but if you're going to come back i mean i would rather

[1:30:04] Voice 9: i mean you've heard some of the feedback you've been getting um i would rather you um adjusted

[1:30:11] Voice 9: this draft vital um to the best of

[1:30:14] Voice 7: your ability well i

[1:30:15] Voice 7: think they're going to go away and have

[1:30:16] Voice 7: a conversation about that along with regional finance about making this uh uh manageable

[1:30:24] Voice 7: manageable equitable but

[1:30:26] Voice 8: it's it's for it really this violence primarily for use by staff and by

[1:30:31] Voice 8: professional hydrogeologists it's not we

[1:30:35] Voice 7: understand that yes

[1:30:36] Voice 8: it's

[1:30:38] Voice 7: when it leaves the room

[1:30:39] Voice 7: is where the confusion starts and that that's all i'm saying is that that just to be able to say

[1:30:43] Voice 7: that and explain that you know so we

[1:30:47] Voice 8: need to communicate the chair i'm hearing two different

[1:30:51] Voice 8: Mayor Mrakas, Okay i'm hearing communications, which I agree with that we should go and draft communications and how we're going to communicate by a lot of changes, but staff do not see any changes to the bylaw right now from this conversation right and and i'm hearing from the trustees that they're there might be hinting at this and i'm just wanting to maybe through the Chair, can we find out what that is because we're going to come back with the exact same words on the bylaw with communication.

[1:31:21] Voice 8: i think

[1:31:22] Voice 7: five five one four needs to make reference to the potential for variance

[1:31:26] Voice 7: that itself okay i understand the overall thing kim but i think that that clause just saying that

[1:31:33] Voice 7: deflates future people from you know getting upset um as far as the numbers that is something that

[1:31:41] Voice 7: i'm okay with that being researched through the the steps forward to just examine that closely

[1:31:49] Voice 7: mostly eyeball to the future rather than eyeball to the past style of subdivision that we've

[1:31:56] Voice 7: accustomed to um those are my main so i just want to speak some clarity there trustee patrick you

[1:32:06] Voice 7: said um research for essentially justification of the numbers i think i've

[1:32:12] Voice 7: heard today that

[1:32:14] Voice 7: that that research has done,

[1:32:15] Voice 7: and they are satisfied with the numbers.

[1:32:20] Voice 7: And what we don't have,

[1:32:22] Voice 7: which I think is the element that's missing,

[1:32:25] Voice 7: is the communications material for the public to understand

[1:32:32] Voice 7: that, as Lani Owens has said,

[1:32:35] Voice 7: this is really an internal document

[1:32:37] Voice 7: and affects developers, not necessarily

[1:32:44] Voice 8: all citizens.

[1:32:46] Voice 8: and also chair what i'm really looking forward to is the formal referral back from the province

[1:32:52] Voice 8: yes if they put some serious effort behind which i imagine they will um because in the water

[1:32:59] Voice 8: sustainability act it says 2 000 liters per day or the amount determined by the approving officer

[1:33:07] Voice 8: and and that usually that means an increase and two thousands of minimum so i'm interested to

[1:33:16] Voice 8: see their perspective on that and we won't get that until we go to first reading of course and

[1:33:22] Voice 8: also i'm wondering if ministry of transportation would give us a referral on the bylaw as well

[1:33:29] Voice 8: which would kind of be an awkward thing because it's circular but but to see how they approach

[1:33:35] Voice 8: this because i i've had the conversations with the province and loti for for a few perfect water

[1:33:41] Voice 8: scenarios, especially third-term pump tests for shallow wells, and it's agreed upon that we want

[1:33:49] Voice 8: to harmonize with something that's similar across the ministries, of course. So

[1:33:55] Voice 7: to respect what

[1:33:56] Voice 7: Trustee Patrick is asking there, is it reasonable for us to ask, and I'm just trying to help us

[1:34:03] Voice 7: along because I'm worried about time, help us along a bit, to ask staff to bring this back to

[1:34:10] Voice 7: us with some more communications material and reflect on the bylaw based on discussion

[1:34:17] Voice 9: and what you know uh

[1:34:20] Voice 7: reflect on the bylaw based on the

[1:34:21] Voice 9: discussion we've had today so reflect on

[1:34:23] Voice 9: the bylaw suggests they might actually make some tweaks to it just give them that opportunity good

[1:34:27] Voice 9: i would like that yeah which i think that

[1:34:30] Voice 7: puts it in a place where we have some kind of i think

[1:34:33] Voice 7: we've got some common understanding is that a motion you just made well i'm happy to make that

[1:34:39] Voice 7: it where i've got it but uh because

[1:34:43] Voice 9: if that's your motion i'll second it all right does that

[1:34:46] Voice 7: sound satisfactory trustee patrick want to make sure that all of them sure i'm in the referral

[1:34:52] Voice 7: process on this one is important so yeah we

[1:34:54] Voice 7: do want to get to that yeah and it's going to make

[1:34:58] Voice 7: in

[1:34:58] Voice 5: fact that's a significant thing

[1:34:59] Voice 7: to get the province to buy into

[1:35:01] Voice 5: yeah for me there rob did

[1:35:07] Voice 8: I can manage.

[1:35:12] Voice 8: So going from alternatives that the Salt Spring Island staff

[1:35:16] Voice 8: can local trust committee request staff

[1:35:19] Voice 8: to provide the following information.

[1:35:23] Voice 8: This is where it gets interesting.

[1:35:24] Voice 8: The process of communication of the intro

[1:35:28] Voice 8: for the introduction of the bylaw reflect on the bylaw

[1:35:33] Voice 8: based on the conversation you had today.

[1:35:35] Voice 7: So I would maybe just say communication materials.

[1:35:38] Voice 7: Yes.

[1:35:39] Voice 7: and um potential amendment may be clear potential amendments to the bylaw based upon the discussions

[1:35:51] Voice 7: communication material we're not talking about the future communication materials regarding

[1:35:57] Voice 7: how to

[1:35:58] Voice 7: implement this this is about just the release of the

[1:36:00] Voice 7: bylaw getting into the public understanding so communications with regards to the referral

[1:36:08] Voice 7: yeah all

[1:36:12] Voice 8: right first of all that i think i have so we'll go one pull at a time communication

[1:36:17] Voice 8: materials for the introduction of the bylaw okay uh and

[1:36:23] Voice 5: then potential potential amendments

[1:36:29] Voice 5: based on the discussion that today right because you guys should

[1:36:40] Voice 5: yeah and

[1:36:43] Voice 8: share it and i think maybe before we close this conversation i just want to ensure

[1:36:49] Voice 8: sure that i've heard what we've talked about yeah and so um we will take another look at

[1:36:57] Voice 8: 5.5.14 which was talking about the non-committed sources and just talking

[1:37:02] Voice 9: about what so you have

[1:37:03] Voice 9: to speak up

[1:37:03] Voice 8: 5.5.14 talking about the non-permitted alternative uses talking about that there is

[1:37:12] Voice 8: variance potential in there perhaps

[1:37:14] Voice 7: i might just ask you to pause for a second that rob you include

[1:37:18] Voice 7: including 5.1.4 yeah

[1:37:20] Voice 8: if we talk about including the clauses then at least stuff can focus on

[1:37:23] Voice 8: exactly

[1:37:23] Voice 7: including 5.1 language referred to that one so i think it's okay yeah kind of

[1:37:29] Voice 7: solves both problems because it says it's not acceptable as a private water source

[1:37:33] Voice 7: except where allowed so i

[1:37:36] Voice 8: think that means for zoning because there's certain

[1:37:38] Voice 8: electoral areas that you're allowed that wells

[1:37:42] Voice 7: so let's let's um william continue to summarize

[1:37:46] Voice 7: what he's heard and then if there's other clauses we'll capture that in this one okay

[1:37:55] Voice 8: so i'm just going bottom up um so that one um then

[1:38:00] Voice 5: volume table one table one

[1:38:05] Voice 5: census on that table one trauma okay did

[1:38:14] Voice 8: you have the sorry through the chair did the ltc have

[1:38:19] Voice 8: have, or did the trustees have any concern with the provisions around saltwater intrusion?

[1:38:28] Voice 7: I don't think so. I do. Oh, you do.

[1:38:31] Voice 7: That's a scary topic.

[1:38:32] Voice 8: No, but I mean the provisions in the

[1:38:34] Voice 8: bylaw. Yeah,

[1:38:36] Voice 8: yeah. Oh, it's a scary topic of the provisions in the bylaw.

[1:38:39] Voice 7: Just the potential for

[1:38:41] Voice 7: that activity, yeah. But you're offering the opportunity in the bylaw to protect that. Yes.

[1:38:48] Voice 8: to ensure that

[1:38:49] Voice 7: fine with that okay um

[1:38:52] Voice 8: uh do does the ltc have um any concerns with the

[1:38:59] Voice 8: trying to find it now

[1:39:02] Voice 5: sorry

[1:39:09] Voice 8: chair there's just one more oh uh 5.5.7 page that would be on page 99

[1:39:16] Voice 8: well that's the one with the step and

[1:39:21] Voice 7: what is the topic on that the

[1:39:22] Voice 8: topic is uh that a drilled well

[1:39:25] Voice 8: uh will be uh installed with a sounding or sounding tube or a wellhead for for the purposes

[1:39:32] Voice 8: of monitoring in

[1:39:34] Voice 7: the future but again that will be something i expect you're promising that's

[1:39:39] Voice 8: so i would

[1:39:41] Voice 7: have weighed in without hearing their words this

[1:39:45] Voice 8: is just for the purposes of of doing

[1:39:48] Voice 8: so i i think the other cases where we'll hear from referral with respect with timing of pump

[1:39:56] Voice 8: tests so it seems to me that these are the only two that we'll be focused on for potential

[1:40:02] Voice 8: amendments to bylaw yeah

[1:40:04] Voice 7: trustee yeah all right so then that's uh moved i think chair

[1:40:10] Voice 7: and seconded by trustee girl you're still up yes with me and then send me further discussion

[1:40:14] Voice 7: all those in favor that carries unanimously um is there any other necessary business on this

[1:40:21] Voice 7: i think that concludes it for now the

[1:40:23] Voice 8: only other necessary business is uh thanking the ltc for the

[1:40:28] Voice 8: patience in this project and and the opportunity to undertake this at the ltc level uh undertaking

[1:40:35] Voice 8: this is a model bylaw right i think undertaking this at the rpc level or some higher level would

[1:40:41] Voice 8: be more nebulous where this

[1:40:43] Voice 8: is like this is real right and and and this was a very

[1:40:47] Voice 8: and also it's i'm appreciative of the ltc for the long-term uh

[1:40:54] Voice 8: concern with with water sustainability and this is why the province has worked so closely with

[1:41:01] Voice 8: us because they've been involved with swifa and they've been involved with the ltc and

[1:41:05] Voice 8: and they they know if they put in the time with this ltc that it would have extending

[1:41:09] Voice 8: benefits to the rest of the iowa trust area so thank you for that all

[1:41:15] Voice 7: right then so is there

[1:41:16] Voice 7: any further business on this no so we'll move on then i might say if you're just hanging around

[1:41:21] Voice 7: with him i would like to have a conversation but we could do it over the phone too but a couple

[1:41:25] Voice 7: of other things which i was going to mention but i okay it's more general not specific

[1:41:29] Voice 7: are you taking a lunch break today yeah about 11 30. okay perfect yeah

[1:41:39] Voice 7: section goes um so then uh thank you trustees and sorry for pushing but i just that's good

[1:41:45] Voice 7: so we've got a new business item here now galeano island local trust committee

[1:41:51] Voice 7: um this is a referral for the bylaw um uh which uh galliano island is interested to whether or not

[1:41:57] Voice 7: our interests are affected and i'll turn to the regional planning manager to advise us uh do you

[1:42:02] Voice 7: believe our interests are affected by this bylaw i

[1:42:05] Voice 6: i think we heard but i don't know too many want

[1:42:08] Voice 6: to any comment on the bible okay

[1:42:10] Voice 9: i'm happy

[1:42:13] Voice 9: to move

[1:42:14] Voice 9: things along if you'd like

[1:42:16] Voice 6: yeah all right

[1:42:17] Voice 9: so

[1:42:17] Voice 7: then can i get a motion to uh advise galliano i moved

[1:42:21] Voice 9: at the source my local trust committee

[1:42:22] Voice 9: request staff to respond to the referrals from galliano island local trust committee by law

[1:42:27] Voice 9: bylaws numbers 231 and 232 indicating that the sourcing island local trust community's interests

[1:42:36] Voice 7: So 9.1.2 is temporary use staff housing. Trustee Grove, you brought that to us.

[1:42:43] Voice 9: Yes, I would request that we will be seeing some requests, I expect, in the near future for staff housing and coming to us by way of temporary use permits.

[1:42:59] Voice 9: permits, and I would like to see such temporary use permits expedited and by bearing in mind

[1:43:07] Voice 9: the current urgency of housing needs.

[1:43:14] Voice 9: So that's what I have to say on that, if that works, Risa.

[1:43:24] Voice 7: So does staff have any remarks on that?

[1:43:26] Voice 7: I have a question.

[1:43:29] Voice 9: just i think the the remark would be that if the lpc would like certain types of applications

[1:43:36] Voice 9: prioritized a motion directing staff to prioritize those would be helpful and we have a specific

[1:43:42] Voice 9: application that i expect is going to be coming up but staff have suggested that we make it more

[1:43:47] Voice 9: general than just attaching it to one specific application yes that would be the application

[1:43:53] Voice 9: type in this case temporary use permits for staff housing would be prioritized and so when one is

[1:43:59] Voice 9: received it could be prioritized above those that are currently in process and just to make it clear

[1:44:06] Voice 9: of direction from the ltc to do that generally or

[1:44:11] Voice 9: just regarding two tubs well for whichever

[1:44:13] Voice 9: types of applications you'd like to see um in this case i believe it is the tup first

[1:44:19] Voice 9: housing yes so that would be the appropriate one to consider expediting or prioritizing i should

[1:44:25] Voice 9: So LTC requests staff to prioritize requests for temporary

[1:44:33] Voice 6: use

[1:44:35] Voice 9: permits for housing for staff.

[1:44:39] Voice 6: Sorry, Chair.

[1:44:40] Voice 6: I believe what Judy is saying is any applications come in that is for staff housing, affordable housing, those we can prioritize rather than naming a specific case.

[1:44:53] Voice 9: Okay.

[1:44:54] Voice 9: So how

[1:44:54] Voice 6: would you like

[1:44:55] Voice 9: that to read?

[1:44:57] Voice 9: I think the way that you've proposed it

[1:45:00] Voice 9: is fine to give staff the direction

[1:45:02] Voice 9: that it needs to elevate that type of application

[1:45:06] Voice 9: above others that are in the queue for processing.

[1:45:11] Voice 9: So what does it read, Ralph,

[1:45:14] Voice 5: at this point?

[1:45:21] Voice 8: There's movement seconded

[1:45:23] Voice 8: that the South Maryland Local Trust Committee

[1:45:25] Voice 8: request staff to prioritize any applications

[1:45:27] Voice 8: for staff and or affordable housing.

[1:45:31] Voice 5: It's

[1:45:31] Voice 9: only been moved at this point.

[1:45:32] Voice 9: sorry my apologies again that's okay and it doesn't it wasn't

[1:45:36] Voice 9: staff housing i don't think

[1:45:38] Voice 9: we're talking about affordable housing generally

[1:45:40] Voice 7: when you say staff who do you mean

[1:45:43] Voice 9: like i'm a

[1:45:44] Voice 9: nurse wants uh to build up to actually employee house which yes would be important to differentiate

[1:45:52] Voice 9: from affordable because it's not necessarily going to be

[1:45:55] Voice 5: yeah i think

[1:45:58] Voice 6: what i'm getting at

[1:46:00] Voice 6: chair is to make sure that it is not a profit making project that are in the pipe wanting to

[1:46:07] Voice 6: move through so we want to be specific something to do with uh helping to address housing prices

[1:46:15] Voice 6: because right now um we mentioned this last time a couple of times ago on housing action program

[1:46:23] Voice 6: that LTC asked staff to consider expediting the process.

[1:46:28] Voice 6: And we mentioned that we will have to amend

[1:46:31] Voice 6: the Island Trust Policy first before we can do that.

[1:46:35] Voice 5: So

[1:46:36] Voice 6: today before you, I think it probably

[1:46:40] Voice 6: it's a better idea to not, to be very specific about this

[1:46:45] Voice 6: is to help easing the housing crisis

[1:46:49] Voice 6: so that we can defend that.

[1:46:51] Voice 6: Do

[1:46:53] Voice 7: you have some remarks, Laura, because I have two questions.

[1:46:56] Voice 7: Well, I'm not aware of whatever Peter's getting at, so it's difficult to help.

[1:47:02] Voice 7: I

[1:47:03] Voice 9: can be clear about what I'm talking about.

[1:47:05] Voice 9: The staff had suggested that I make it more general.

[1:47:08] Voice 9: And the clarity is that Seabreeze Inn, they need to move forward starting in July

[1:47:14] Voice 9: to make that habitable or usable by all the hospital staff.

[1:47:19] Voice 9: in order to do that they need they're going to change or immediately they're going to need a

[1:47:25] Voice 9: temporary use case and so and they want to get to work on that in july um and so we need to move

[1:47:30] Voice 9: quickly and urgently so

[1:47:34] Voice 7: yes so i'm going to prioritize temporal use permits for staff

[1:47:40] Voice 7: housing i think you had it written right away the first time so can i just ask a question

[1:47:45] Voice 7: them why would we prioritize this on a case-by-case basis when the temporary experiment comes in yeah

[1:47:50] Voice 6: we could do that too well

[1:47:52] Voice 7: that's what i could then so

[1:47:54] Voice 6: we could do

[1:47:55] Voice 7: that at the time that the

[1:47:56] Voice 7: application appears before if

[1:47:58] Voice 6: i understand correctly there's another application that is

[1:48:11] Voice 5: yeah

[1:48:11] Voice 7: so maybe the easy way what's fast advice to take this issue and

[1:48:18] Voice 7: provide the best opportunity for a good well

[1:48:23] Voice 9: so the fundamental issue as i see it is that staff

[1:48:27] Voice 9: process applications on a first-in-first-out basis so if we were to receive an application for this

[1:48:33] Voice 9: it would be difficult to stop on their own to elevate this processing of it above others that

[1:48:38] Voice 9: are already in process and so we're looking for clarity from the ltc to jump into effectively

[1:48:43] Voice 9: back to the jump in the queue so

[1:48:44] Voice 7: this motion then meets that it

[1:48:48] Voice 9: it does i mean if you want to be

[1:48:49] Voice 9: more specific you could change it to instead of any applications it would be temporary use permits

[1:48:57] Voice 9: and should we talk about the actual application itself should we name them

[1:49:02] Voice 7: well so let's call it a temporary permit because you're going to narrow the field

[1:49:06] Voice 5: yeah okay i would do that for staff housing okay employee housing rather so

[1:49:24] Voice 7: i think that gives you

[1:49:26] Voice 7: the permission you need and it satisfies the um the idea you're all right with that thank you and

[1:49:36] Voice 5: laura

[1:49:36] Voice 7: patrick oh he still has just employee housing that's what you're trying to say yeah

[1:49:45] Voice 7: i'll second that all right we're there okay so moved and seconded any further discussion

[1:49:51] Voice 7: all those in favor okay okay thank you peter and thank you staff for uh sorting that out under

[1:49:59] Voice 7: pressure next item then is um staff resources i don't see david marley here so i'll just turn to

[1:50:06] Voice 7: that and use the plan manager to maybe ask a question peter and staff can address it

[1:50:15] Voice 9: they will not reveal we

[1:50:18] Voice 7: really only have one application

[1:50:19] Voice 9: anyhow no i'm generally worried

[1:50:22] Voice 9: we've lost our our um regional panic manager and thank you very much for stepping up to the plate

[1:50:26] Voice 9: as for the temporary or acting regional family manager but um i understand where you've got some

[1:50:34] Voice 9: serious staffing issues on salt spring and i'm wondering what um you and david marler are going

[1:50:40] Voice 9: to do to address those issues uh

[1:50:43] Voice 6: sure we actually have uh one permanent uh planning tech team on

[1:50:49] Voice 6: board uh on monday so she just gone through her uh orientation she will be focusing on permits

[1:50:57] Voice 6: for south spring island she lives on south spring so that's great but

[1:51:02] Voice 6: it's time for her to

[1:51:05] Voice 6: uh to become more familiar with the process and so there's one planning tag we also are bringing

[1:51:14] Voice 6: in a temporary planning tech for just a few months and again this person actually my understanding

[1:51:22] Voice 6: is doesn't have any planning background so you'll take a bit of orientation and training

[1:51:27] Voice 6: to help out again it's focusing on permits and i believe that person is going to start on may

[1:51:34] Voice 6: 24th so we're getting some relief and we are also looking at uh if we can find a planning

[1:51:42] Voice 6: in a plan of two to backfill Jordy's position when now that he stepped up to be the acting

[1:51:50] Voice 6: island planner we need to backfill that but it's a bit challenging for that high level

[1:51:56] Voice 6: since you have issues bringing you know attracting people to come to work

[1:52:02] Voice 6: on the island especially for short term so we're working on that to see if we can get some interest

[1:52:09] Voice 6: and as you all know the director of planning services position is being posted so hopefully

[1:52:17] Voice 6: once the director comes on board get to look at the structure and the process

[1:52:23] Voice 6: and my understanding is the rpm position will be posted shortly and i don't know how shortly

[1:52:33] Voice 6: there is a lot

[1:52:36] Voice 7: of moving parts yeah there is

[1:52:37] Voice 7: yeah okay does that help thank you yeah okay

[1:52:41] Voice 7: thank you very much thank you all right so um i

[1:52:45] Voice 6: forgot to mention i wrote it down and i forgot

[1:52:49] Voice 6: to mention uh as you know because right now both island planners uh senior planners typically don't

[1:52:57] Voice 6: do a lot of applications because they focus on really large scale and as lps term extra

[1:53:03] Voice 6: extra-ordinary projects, and we have four on the island.

[1:53:06] Voice 6: Jordy has two and Jason has two.

[1:53:10] Voice 6: So, but on top of that,

[1:53:13] Voice 6: because no one is doing current planning,

[1:53:15] Voice 6: because that's the planning staff that we lost.

[1:53:18] Voice 6: So right now they are carrying a lot of cases as well.

[1:53:22] Voice 6: And because of that, we really would appreciate

[1:53:25] Voice 6: if LTC, the message is,

[1:53:29] Voice 6: you know, we're really working on it.

[1:53:31] Voice 6: we're doing our best yeah absolutely

[1:53:36] Voice 7: thank you okay so um i think that concludes our morning

[1:53:42] Voice 7: business and so i'll look for a motion to go in camera so

[1:53:45] Voice 9: i'll move the saltsman trust committee

[1:53:47] Voice 9: close the meeting to the public subject of community charter section 91 for a personal

[1:53:52] Voice 9: information about an identifiable individual who holds or is being considered for a position as an

[1:53:57] Voice 9: officer employee or agent of the municipality or another position appointed by the municipality

[1:54:03] Voice 9: law enforcement if the council considers that disclosure could reasonably be expected to harm

[1:54:08] Voice 9: the conduct of an investigation under a foreign enforcement of an enforcement and in receipt of

[1:54:14] Voice 9: advice that is subject to solicit privilege including communications necessary for that

[1:54:18] Voice 9: purpose and then start the invasion to remain

[1:54:31] Voice 7: and let's just recess for a few

[1:54:33] Voice 5: minutes and then we'll return

[2:02:56] Voice 5: They're

[2:02:57] Voice 7: just basically I have three different

[2:03:11] Voice 5: So good afternoon,

[2:04:04] Voice 7: everybody. Thank you for joining us for this

[2:04:09] Voice 7: local trust committee meeting of May the 17th.

[2:04:16] Voice 7: Once acknowledged, we are meeting here in Coastal

[2:04:20] Voice 7: I want to recognize the rich cultural history and heritage that's here, of course, people

[2:04:32] Voice 7: since time immemorial.

[2:04:33] Voice 7: I'm honored and pleased to be able to live it and work here.

[2:04:39] Voice 7: I'm joined on my far left by Trustee Patrick, a locally elected Trustee, and Peter Grove,

[2:04:49] Voice 7: and we've been joined by uh gary holman the regional director thank you for joining us today

[2:04:55] Voice 7: gary myself uh peter luckham elected on peter sound and relax and all that territory it's a

[2:05:01] Voice 7: pleasure to be here in your community to assist in the land use management issues uh we have a

[2:05:09] Voice 7: number of staffs right around the room and thank you all for joining us today um and um we've

[2:05:16] Voice 7: uh dealt with some administrative items this morning i would like to rise and report uh before

[2:05:24] Voice 7: we go into the next section of our

[2:05:26] Voice 7: agenda here i'm just going to pull that up so i can find it

[2:05:30] Voice 7: sorry i'm not well prepared

[2:05:37] Voice 5: yeah

[2:05:45] Voice 7: that's what i'm looking for is the actual appointment

[2:05:48] Voice 7: So what I've got is that the LTC has reappointed Stanley Shapiro and appointed Ann Gunn and appointed Donald Carlson to the Advisory Planning Commission.

[2:06:18] Voice 7: We have reappointed Gordon Brent Rocho Ingram to the Advisory Planning Commission for two years.

[2:06:28] Voice 7: further two years we have reappointed lisa larito to the board of variants for further two years

[2:06:35] Voice 7: and we have reappointed uh bob rush to the board of variants for further two-year term

[2:06:42] Voice 7: um and this will bring our local trust committee would like to thank those who

[2:06:47] Voice 7: drive the planning commission francine carlin maria wellman and nancy creed and agricultural

[2:06:54] Voice 7: cultural advisory planning commissioner zach helmstreet and jan steinman for their service

[2:07:00] Voice 7: um and supporting us in our positioning and uh just thank you very much um so that covers the

[2:07:09] Voice 7: rising report from the in-camera meeting we are now in the trustee and chair reporting uh roles

[2:07:18] Voice 7: and director reporting roles and we'll just turn to the trustees to provide their verbal report

[2:07:24] Voice 7: Who wants to go first?

[2:07:26] Voice 7: It's me.

[2:07:32] Voice 7: This morning, the Salt Spring

[2:07:34] Voice 7: Exchange little newsletter came out and it had the reports from the Salt Spring Insights,

[2:07:41] Voice 7: which is an online research panel created earlier this year to enhance the quality of conversations taking place in Salt Spring.

[2:07:48] Voice 7: And they released their highlights from Salt Spring.

[2:07:51] Voice 7: showed that salt spring islanders are generally happy with their quality of life but very concerned

[2:07:59] Voice 7: about the lack of affordable housing as a threat to the community and i think those are important

[2:08:07] Voice 7: words to listen to people are seeing the

[2:08:12] Voice 7: impact and understanding it more and more last friday

[2:08:17] Voice 7: I know Gary Holman and myself participated in a virtual workshop that was being put on by the Southern Gulf Island Tourism Partnership is working on a proposal to the CMHC, housing in the Southern Gulf Island region.

[2:08:45] Voice 7: we're really so fortunate to have people from across the islands who not only understand the

[2:08:50] Voice 7: housing challenges that we have but they understand the challenges of the islands

[2:08:54] Voice 7: and they respect the environment and the constraints that these this housing has to be

[2:08:59] Voice 7: built in um and they also understand the impact of climate change and are also working and dedicated

[2:09:11] Voice 7: it to the First Nations. So it's incredible, rich to see this project coming together.

[2:09:25] Voice 7: Let's see. You'll hear people say that the housing units, that lots of housing units

[2:09:30] Voice 7: did get built in the last four years. And yes, there were. It wasn't easy for the proponents.

[2:09:37] Voice 7: But our housing needs assessments that we have based on the 2026 census data says

[2:09:41] Voice 7: that we need 600 units by 20. i know the situation is even worse here uh since in this last census

[2:09:51] Voice 7: account that we have a huge appetite for island living and it's stripping the rental housing from

[2:09:58] Voice 7: the market converting it to owner occupy or worse short-term rentals the island needs a diverse

[2:10:05] Voice 7: population to sustain itself and be a happy happy community if we're not a a diverse community

[2:10:16] Voice 7: We all seem to understand the spring mantra of cut brooms in bloom.

[2:10:24] Voice 7: We understand that this invasive species can choke out the native vegetation and increase

[2:10:29] Voice 7: diversity.

[2:10:33] Voice 7: We need to face the housing equity and workforce insurance crisis just the same way we attack

[2:10:39] Voice 7: the brooms.

[2:10:40] Voice 7: We can't say that, ah, broom is an invasive species all over the world, so let's not deal

[2:10:47] Voice 7: with it on salt spring.

[2:10:48] Voice 7: We don't do that. We deal with it on Salt Spring. We dig it up, we cut it, we remove it.

[2:10:54] Voice 7: So we can't say that the housing issue is happening all over the world.

[2:11:00] Voice 7: So let's not deal with it on Salt Spring. We have to.

[2:11:06] Voice 7: Allowing accessory dwelling units as rental housing is only one thing we can do.

[2:11:12] Voice 7: Islanders housing Islanders. We need to go far beyond this thorny issue to alter the trajectory that we're on.

[2:11:22] Voice 7: we seem to have good agreement that broom and gorse are a problem let's open our minds to the

[2:11:28] Voice 7: housing equity and workforce shortage and to anyone who thinks it's a simple solution just

[2:11:37] Voice 7: to manage the short-term rentals i know our enforcement folks just left a couple of minutes

[2:11:42] Voice 7: ago they're trying um but even if we could manage those short-term rental units convert those units

[2:11:53] Voice 7: from being short-term to long-term we still need the accessory dwelling unit by law to make those

[2:11:58] Voice 7: units legal for long-term rental as well so we have work to do to manage those short-term rentals

[2:12:09] Voice 7: um which i had my list of i as usual have attended lots and lots of meetings i had right in front of

[2:12:17] Voice 7: me a second ago sorry too many pieces of paper um did attend two economic development commission

[2:12:28] Voice 7: Commission meetings this past period for trust committees

[2:12:33] Voice 7: at North Pender and Thedas Island,

[2:12:36] Voice 7: the local trust committees and EC, executive committee.

[2:12:42] Voice 7: And last week, the transitions hosted a meeting

[2:12:46] Voice 7: on community investment vehicles,

[2:12:48] Voice 7: which is an interesting meeting on looking at,

[2:12:51] Voice 7: and we also have the Southern Gulf Island Forum,

[2:13:00] Voice 7: our monthly meeting we're preparing for

[2:13:04] Voice 7: in july so the sixth i want to say in july there will be our next quarterly meeting and it's going

[2:13:11] Voice 7: to be a big to-do on anchorages so it's going to be a very public meeting um southern gulf island

[2:13:18] Voice 7: court is all levels of um elected across all the southern world violence including first nations

[2:13:26] Voice 7: that's my report thank you uh trustee patrick uh trustee grove over to you yes

[2:13:34] Voice 9: indeed and um i've

[2:13:35] Voice 9: I'd been off island for a while, looking after grandchildren in Yellowknife, of all places,

[2:13:42] Voice 9: and an interesting place, I wouldn't say anything more, although when I was growing

[2:13:48] Voice 9: up, if something was interesting to my mother, it was meant that you had to wonder about

[2:13:55] Voice 9: what it was you were actually doing.

[2:13:56] Voice 9: But anyway, it was an interesting time.

[2:14:02] Voice 9: but what are their what are the main concerns they have a lot of issues in the other night at the top

[2:14:09] Voice 9: of the distance housing um and what they're trying to do about it and they they are astonishingly

[2:14:15] Voice 9: because the land there is um easy to build on um and expansive but they uh they have a lot of they

[2:14:22] Voice 9: have a lot on their plate in terms of housing and indeed to follow up on trustee patrick's comment

[2:14:27] Voice 9: Yes, it is rampant everywhere, this issue, and yes, indeed, each of us and each of our communities has to do what it can, but we are not alone, and it's a serious challenge for all of us.

[2:14:42] Voice 9: I shared with our director Gary Holman

[2:14:47] Voice 9: this pleasurable event a little while back

[2:14:49] Voice 9: the opening or the breaking of ground

[2:14:53] Voice 9: for the Lady Minto Hospital Emergency Board

[2:14:58] Voice 9: the result of huge efforts

[2:15:01] Voice 9: not only by the hospital itself

[2:15:03] Voice 9: but by the foundation, by the CRD

[2:15:06] Voice 9: and by the provincial government

[2:15:08] Voice 9: and to some extent by your local trust community

[2:15:11] Voice 9: it was a wonderful event and very excited that that project is now underway um the other uh

[2:15:21] Voice 9: projects generally that are going that are moving ahead and you've heard about them with the housing

[2:15:27] Voice 9: action and the ganges village planning and i'm excited by some of the developments and look

[2:15:33] Voice 9: forward to hearing more thank you okay

[2:15:39] Voice 7: thank you very much uh trustee girl um from my uh since we

[2:15:45] Voice 7: were here last on salt springs i was here last on salt spring um one of the really big highlights

[2:15:51] Voice 7: was attending the sailor c uh conference a number of the trustees were attending that conference

[2:15:59] Voice 7: conference, which is a gathering of First Nations and scientists and biologists locally

[2:16:09] Voice 7: elected to talk about issues on and in the Salish Sea.

[2:16:15] Voice 7: And the particular points that I picked up on was the significant importance of water

[2:16:22] Voice 7: water and conservation, and that water is important and significant to our woodlands

[2:16:31] Voice 7: and our habitats on the land, particularly a little focus on cedar and the cedar trees

[2:16:39] Voice 7: and the spirit of the cedar tree and the environmental aspects of the large cedars

[2:16:46] Voice 7: and the forests that make them, that are made up from the cedar tree.

[2:16:50] Voice 7: And of course, their dependence upon water and also water in our streams that feed into the salmon and that feed the oceans and that salmon that feed other species, killer whales and fishing.

[2:17:09] Voice 7: fishing. And the cedar and salmon are so essential and so fundamental to the nature and being of the

[2:17:15] Voice 7: Coast Salish people. And it's critically important that we preserve and protect all of the aspects of

[2:17:23] Voice 7: our environment and also work towards understanding and learning as much as we possibly can about

[2:17:29] Voice 7: the Coast Salish people that have been here since time immemorial. Outside of that,

[2:17:39] Voice 7: there's a number of other meetings that i participate in uh with respect to trust area

[2:17:45] Voice 7: services and local planning services for the for the federation and uh indeed uh that work also

[2:17:54] Voice 7: ends up at look at island trust council meetings coming up in june um and we are preparing for that

[2:18:04] Voice 7: where we will be touching on the topics of the ONS 2050 process of reviewing the policy statement.

[2:18:15] Voice 7: And also we'll be discussing the topics surrounding the governance and management report that has come forward that we were unable to deal with at our last meeting due to time constraints and budget debates.

[2:18:30] Voice 7: but just do want to say that certainly that report there's some opportunities within that

[2:18:37] Voice 7: report to improve how we deliver on the preserve and protect mandate and I can say that we will

[2:18:42] Voice 7: be giving I will be giving that and I hope that we will be giving that serious consideration

[2:18:46] Voice 7: in moving forward through the remainder of this term and into the next and that is all that I

[2:18:54] Voice 7: will say today I'm just grateful to be here so I'll turn to Gary Holman for his director's

[2:18:59] Voice 7: support thank you for joining us gary it's always nice to see you here

[2:19:01] Voice 4: thanks peter and i apologize

[2:19:04] Voice 4: for missing the last meeting um i've also forgotten my reading glasses and i'm using wars

[2:19:10] Voice 4: which are fairly disorienting but i'll be switching back and forth um so uh there was a press release

[2:19:17] Voice 4: uh yesterday uh that the the fire district and the crd have reached an agreement in principle

[2:19:25] Voice 4: for the excuse me uh a gas tax contribution to the new fire hall of a million dollars

[2:19:33] Voice 4: which will reduce the um ask uh to voters a referendum june 30th of this year um as i've

[2:19:42] Voice 4: been urging from the beginning of the term as a community we really do need to get a yes vote on

[2:19:49] Voice 4: that referendum uh get a new uh post-disaster uh fire hall on donated uh property uh in the

[2:19:58] Voice 4: brick for the area um just to point out that that that gas tax funding is not local based

[2:20:07] Voice 4: on a local requisition it's a transfer from the federal government to salt so there's no

[2:20:13] Voice 4: increase in taxes uh uh involved there we're just taking advantage of funding that's uh

[2:20:21] Voice 4: transferred each and every year salt spring gets about 600 000 every year in gas tax funding

[2:20:27] Voice 4: actually during this term the federal government doubled up on that transfer for two years so we

[2:20:33] Voice 4: got an extra 1.2 million uh in gas

[2:20:36] Voice 4: tax funding this term um we did a thorough thanks peter we

[2:20:41] Voice 4: did a thorough review of all of the um uh proposed allocations in the various capital plans for seery

[2:20:48] Voice 4: commissions water and other commissions so we we looked at all of those uh commitments plus

[2:20:55] Voice 4: the anticipated 600 000 a year from the federal government and um uh there there's no issue with

[2:21:03] Voice 4: there there are sufficient gas tax funds to address all those needs over the next five

[2:21:08] Voice 4: five years because of the income coming in as well

[2:21:13] Voice 4: from the federal government.

[2:21:14] Voice 4: CRD is also finalizing a purchase agreement

[2:21:19] Voice 4: with the fire district regarding the acquisition

[2:21:25] Voice 4: of the Ganges Fire Hall and those details

[2:21:29] Voice 4: to be announced later.

[2:21:32] Voice 4: But the transfer of the Ganges Fire Hall

[2:21:35] Voice 4: and the gas tax funding to the new fire hall,

[2:21:37] Voice 4: all of course are predicated on a yes vote on June 30th.

[2:21:40] Voice 4: Otherwise it's all moot.

[2:21:44] Voice 4: The CRD is also finalizing the agreement

[2:21:47] Voice 4: with the Farmland Trust and the Abattoir Society

[2:21:50] Voice 4: regarding the composting facility

[2:21:53] Voice 4: in the Burgoyne Bay Community Farm,

[2:21:57] Voice 4: which Islands Trust secured

[2:21:58] Voice 4: through amenity zoning provision.

[2:22:01] Voice 4: There are grant funds flowing through the CRD

[2:22:05] Voice 4: that will be released to the project,

[2:22:06] Voice 4: but the crd has to sort out tenure and other arrangements with the proponents before uh

[2:22:13] Voice 4: they'll flow that funding through but that that agreement um finalization is imminent

[2:22:19] Voice 4: the local community commission we've released a discussion paper put together by three members

[2:22:30] Voice 4: members of the Community Alliance Governance Working Group,

[2:22:34] Voice 4: which Trustee Grove was involved in.

[2:22:37] Voice 4: I can't remember, Laura,

[2:22:38] Voice 4: maybe you attended some of those meetings,

[2:22:40] Voice 4: but so a discussion paper is now made public.

[2:22:43] Voice 4: It's online at the Driftwood Salt Spring Exchange.

[2:22:47] Voice 4: The library is a hard copy,

[2:22:48] Voice 4: and the CRD also has copies that are available

[2:22:51] Voice 4: for pickup, the local CRD office.

[2:22:54] Voice 4: There are no implications for the trust.

[2:22:57] Voice 4: trust uh there's no changes in jurisdiction so compared to for example incorporation that's a

[2:23:03] Voice 4: much simpler uh proposal really it just broadens uh representation local crd representation so

[2:23:11] Voice 4: instead of electing one director that that in effect makes a lot of decisions uh more or less

[2:23:18] Voice 4: behind the scenes the million dollar gas tax contribution to the fire hall is one example

[2:23:23] Voice 4: Those decisions will be now made in regularly scheduled, well, if voters say yes, and that will go to voters in the October 15th election, that all those decisions that tend to be made behind the scenes now will be now made in public regularly scheduled meetings of the director and the local community commission.

[2:23:47] Voice 4: And it also offers the opportunity of consolidating some of the, at least island-wide services.

[2:23:53] Voice 4: We have four island-wide services, could be, and I believe should be, consolidated under a local community commission.

[2:24:02] Voice 4: So there'll be some, it'll be easier for the public to track what's going on.

[2:24:09] Voice 4: Instead of attending four different meetings, they can attend one.

[2:24:12] Voice 4: one uh and it will um allow for it will free up some staff time who are now supporting four

[2:24:19] Voice 4: commissions would be supporting one so staff will have more time uh other things i'm um proposing

[2:24:27] Voice 4: that the commissioner should get a modest stipend perhaps in the order of 10 000 when you look at

[2:24:34] Voice 4: other municipalities uh councillors get in the order of municipalities of our size they get in

[2:24:41] Voice 4: in the order of 15 to 20,000,

[2:24:43] Voice 4: but of course their responsibilities are much broader.

[2:24:46] Voice 4: They involve land use, they involve roads and policing.

[2:24:49] Voice 4: Anyway, the discussion papers out there,

[2:24:52] Voice 4: there'll be a May 27th ask meeting,

[2:24:55] Voice 4: which will be a public zoom meeting.

[2:24:58] Voice 4: The public will be invited to,

[2:25:00] Voice 4: it'll be focused on the local community commission.

[2:25:03] Voice 4: I've also appointed an advisory committee

[2:25:06] Voice 4: committee who reviewed the discussion paper

[2:25:11] Voice 4: and agreed that while we don't necessarily agree

[2:25:14] Voice 4: in all of the recommendations made by that paper,

[2:25:16] Voice 4: it forms a reasonable basis for public discussion.

[2:25:19] Voice 4: So that advisory committee will also continue to meet.

[2:25:23] Voice 4: We're planning a meeting towards the end of May

[2:25:26] Voice 4: for the next advisory committee meeting.

[2:25:29] Voice 4: And I'm planning, hoping that that would be public,

[2:25:32] Voice 4: probably a Zoom meeting as well.

[2:25:37] Voice 4: But CRD is applying for a clean BC grant to establish a number of level two EV chargers on Salt Spring.

[2:25:45] Voice 4: I don't typically talk about grant applications, but we believe that the chances are good for getting that funding.

[2:25:52] Voice 4: We already have about a dozen chargers on Salt Spring, and this would add at least another half dozen in publicly owned, basically CRD owned properties.

[2:26:05] Voice 4: Port Lock Park, Centennial, Rainbow Road, et cetera.

[2:26:12] Voice 4: So that would be quite beneficial if that funding comes through to provide the infrastructure that are going to help persuade people to electrify their private transportation.

[2:26:25] Voice 4: The middle school, now the request for proposals is completed.

[2:26:31] Voice 4: the virtually, I believe all of the space

[2:26:34] Voice 4: in the middle school has now been committed

[2:26:36] Voice 4: to various nonprofit groups.

[2:26:39] Voice 4: And I think occupancy will occur in August, September.

[2:26:45] Voice 4: I don't think of the specific space allocations

[2:26:51] Voice 4: that be made public, but will be soon.

[2:26:53] Voice 4: But essentially as one might've expected,

[2:26:58] Voice 4: There was those spaces were oversubscribed there is sharing of space but there was, there was more demand than we could, we could fulfill, but many groups now are going to have affordable rental space that didn't have space before CRD is hired a new parks coordinator planner of that position has been in place for several years but we've had staff turnover.

[2:27:23] Voice 4: over. We've now found a new person who lives on Salt Spring and who will free up Dan Ovington's

[2:27:29] Voice 4: time to, for example, start the Harbor Walk detailed design process, which will involve

[2:27:42] Voice 4: consultation with First Nations, Ganges, Marina, and the public. I was able to support a request

[2:27:50] Voice 4: from the Lady Mental Hospital Foundation for $15,000

[2:27:58] Voice 4: to help fund accommodation for locums

[2:28:02] Voice 4: that the hospital foundation, Island Health,

[2:28:08] Voice 4: they're trying to attract doctors to the island.

[2:28:12] Voice 4: We have doctors that are retiring as everywhere else in British Columbia.

[2:28:16] Voice 4: So that grant is based on part on grant and aid and part of its COVID relief funding that all local governments receive from the provincial governments.

[2:28:28] Voice 4: So the grant and aid part was $5,000 and the COVID relief about $10,000.

[2:28:33] Voice 4: We also use that COVID relief funding for a $15,000 grant for the laundromat, which apparently is operating and operating well, covering their costs.

[2:28:46] Voice 4: The CRD has issued a request for proposals for management of the Saturday market.

[2:28:57] Voice 4: um apparently we're the only

[2:29:00] Voice 4: jurisdiction in bc where local government actually runs

[2:29:04] Voice 4: the community market so staff are looking at devolving that there's an rfp out uh there's

[2:29:11] Voice 4: a there's a number of um interested parties i believe the deadline for uh a proposal or

[2:29:18] Voice 4: application is the end of june uh so that process has been initiated and finally the crd will be

[2:29:26] Voice 4: The CRE board will be approving its provisional budget for 2023 in September of this year,

[2:29:33] Voice 4: which is about a month before the board typically does that.

[2:29:37] Voice 4: I'm not entirely sure why that's been moved up, but the budget discussions will be commencing soon.

[2:29:43] Voice 4: And the approval of that provisional budget will be done a little bit earlier this year.

[2:29:50] Voice 4: So typically, this will be the last year of the local government terms.

[2:29:56] Voice 4: And typically the director, the incumbent director,

[2:30:00] Voice 4: puts forward a provisional budget uh and then the new director whoever that is in 2023

[2:30:06] Voice 4: will approve a final budget uh in march of 2023. thanks chair thank

[2:30:13] Voice 7: you thank you all right

[2:30:16] Voice 7: if it's a guy report um so let us uh then now return to our agenda um we did we just we deferred

[2:30:28] Voice 7: item 8.1 earlier on the housing action program and um is going to introduce uh this report here

[2:30:39] Voice 7: i don't suddenly just put that at the end after we do the applications of the people

[2:30:44] Voice 7: that are concerned to

[2:30:44] Voice 5: do that yeah i actually had it

[2:30:46] Voice 5: sorry my

[2:30:48] Voice 6: biology oh he was thinking

[2:30:50] Voice 6: oh you

[2:30:52] Voice 7: know what i've uh sorry i was so focused on wanting to get our agenda product

[2:30:56] Voice 7: that um i've skipped over delegations in town fall and so let me of course come on

[2:31:07] Voice 7: back to here so um okay so we're going to go into a correspondence then i wanted to get that

[2:31:24] Voice 7: other one out of the way but we'll put that off till later so uh we and then we'll come to

[2:31:28] Voice 7: delegations and town hall in the order of the agenda that i have before me and um so uh just

[2:31:34] Voice 7: Just note that correspondence that comes of the general nature comes to us at the meeting correspondence of a project or application nature ends up being filed with those items and would be brought to us when those files are opened up.

[2:31:54] Voice 7: And so at 14.1, we have a letter here

[2:31:58] Voice 7: concerning the Advisory Planning Commission

[2:32:01] Voice 7: and her resignations,

[2:32:02] Voice 7: and that's there for our consideration.

[2:32:05] Voice 7: Certainly want to thank Maria Wellman

[2:32:08] Voice 7: for her service to the LPC and her parting letter.

[2:32:12] Voice 7: Trustees, is there anything further

[2:32:14] Voice 7: you'd like to do with that item?

[2:32:17] Voice 7: I mean, it's good to have,

[2:32:18] Voice 7: I mean, I sit and listen as well as you do.

[2:32:21] Voice 7: and I know chairs take the role with good meaning and they have the intention to do what

[2:32:27] Voice 5: they can but

[2:32:32] Voice 5: it's difficult.

[2:32:38] Voice 7: I want the advisory bodies to be useful and to be able to really spend that time

[2:32:44] Voice 7: having the you know talking about the meat of the matter and when the chairing isn't very well

[2:32:49] Voice 7: you know there's voices that sit silent or one person dominates or the conversation goes left

[2:32:55] Voice 7: and it should have gone right um and i just think there's a lot more opportunity to make sure that

[2:33:00] Voice 7: the time that these people are spending is valuable and managed and we need to look at

[2:33:08] Voice 7: something going forward how do we help that chair roll

[2:33:16] Voice 5: because you

[2:33:17] Voice 7: and i get to practice it a lot

[2:33:19] Voice 7: peter but it's not something somebody does every day well uh i'll agree with you completely it is

[2:33:24] Voice 7: it can be and it's challenging particularly on the topics you've talked you just mentioned

[2:33:29] Voice 7: to ensure that all voices are heard.

[2:33:32] Voice 7: And we certainly do orientation

[2:33:35] Voice 7: with our advisory commission.

[2:33:40] Voice 7: Maybe there should be more focus

[2:33:42] Voice 7: on providing skills to whoever is elected as the chair

[2:33:45] Voice 7: in order to help and facilitate that.

[2:33:50] Voice 7: I'm not sure how we might address that,

[2:33:52] Voice 7: but we obviously return to staff to say,

[2:33:55] Voice 7: we do do an

[2:33:56] Voice 7: orientation typically

[2:33:58] Voice 7: with advisory planning commission members, new and old.

[2:34:03] Voice 7: And I'm actually always in favor

[2:34:04] Voice 7: when there's new members to do sort of a reorientation

[2:34:07] Voice 7: with the entire body,

[2:34:08] Voice 7: but some may or may not want to participate in that way.

[2:34:11] Voice 7: Do we do anything extra for the role of chair at all?

[2:34:16] Voice 6: So chair, we do offer orientation for Jessica chair.

[2:34:21] Voice 5: Yes.

[2:34:24] Voice 6: We did with the Dan G's and Dave Ellison.

[2:34:30] Voice 6: so i okay so

[2:34:33] Voice 6: i guess it's not consistent but you can certainly perhaps

[2:34:36] Voice 7: we could reflect on ways

[2:34:42] Voice 7: yeah no i mean i sat through one of the back before the pandemic i sat in through share

[2:34:48] Voice 7: trainings but you know they do go through an extensive mature training but you're it's just

[2:34:53] Voice 7: like i said it's a it's something i think we need to look forward going how do we leave these in a

[2:35:00] Voice 7: stronger place it's almost that there needs to be like i don't know a provided chair

[2:35:06] Voice 7: that's neutral and can manage the conversations in a way that

[2:35:11] Voice 7: allows the group to focus on the content is what we want to hear

[2:35:19] Voice 7: 20

[2:35:20] Voice 5: minutes off

[2:35:21] Voice 7: gazing

[2:35:25] Voice 6: looking to uh the ministry have a lot of training we can and they're free so we can look into they

[2:35:33] Voice 6: have something like that for chairs and if not we can look into maybe outside specifically for

[2:35:40] Voice 6: uh chairmanship and you know those kind of training um we do realize even with the training

[2:35:49] Voice 6: we offer for the chair for ganges and housing they do tend to forget and their role is not about

[2:35:58] Voice 6: lobbying specific items they do get sponsored to have those orientation and training so i can

[2:36:06] Voice 6: certainly look into that sure

[2:36:08] Voice 7: so i don't think you need any directions with that you will be

[2:36:13] Voice 7: entering into that with the new appointment yeah yeah

[2:36:16] Voice 7: and there will be a new chair yes and so uh

[2:36:20] Voice 7: anything you can do to i think it's about building for success and anything you can do to facilitate

[2:36:26] Voice 7: and then i think there was a further comment about the reporting

[2:36:31] Voice 7: being a bit more you know user friendly so well

[2:36:36] Voice 1: i think i

[2:36:36] Voice 7: think some of that falls on us yeah we

[2:36:38] Voice 7: need to be specific if i'm sending something to the advisory planning commission we need to say

[2:36:43] Voice 7: this is what we're asking for from you and give that information very specifically

[2:36:52] Voice 7: if it's a general inquiry then be stated that it's a general you know reaction that we want but i

[2:36:58] Voice 7: think we need to spend more time on our referrals to the intent okay so let's be cognizant of that

[2:37:07] Voice 7: Is there anything further on that piece of the 14.2 is a letter from myself from this committee regarding

[2:37:18] Voice 7: regarding a meeting with the Minister with respect to concerns regarding terminal congestion

[2:37:27] and

[2:37:28] Voice 7: services to our line of work in the South Island.

[2:37:31] Voice 7: We'll report back to the LPC when we've done that meeting.

[2:37:38] Voice 7: 14.3 was a new item.

[2:37:40] Voice 7: Trustee Grove, you asked to have a letter from Julia Blake regarding the Rogers Tower.

[2:37:45] Voice 7: If I recollect from memory, that's with regards to what is the

[2:37:49] Voice 5: next item on our agenda,

[2:37:50] Voice 7: which is the delegation from the groggers um and that has been deferred in 2014.

[2:37:56] Voice 7: um there's been some back and forth there and quite honestly i don't know the status of that

[2:38:01] Voice 7: if i

[2:38:05] Voice 9: may yes we've each received letter from uh uh from julian clark um his concerns

[2:38:12] Voice 9: uh he was he's received the letter um from us inviting or agreeing to here have the uh

[2:38:20] Voice 9: have Mr. Rogers attend our meeting.

[2:38:29] Voice 9: It was going to be this month, and it's now the next month.

[2:38:33] Voice 9: And Julian Clarke was kind of surprised and I think somewhat offended

[2:38:37] Voice 9: that this would be going ahead before they had had a chance

[2:38:41] Voice 9: to meet with the people who live in the Channel Ridge area.

[2:38:46] Voice 9: So, in any event, it seemed to me that Mr. Krentz wanting to meet with the local trust

[2:38:58] Voice 9: committee made sense, but my point is we need to get back to Mr. Clark so that he understands

[2:39:05] Voice 9: where we're at and what we're trying to do here, which is we want to encourage communication

[2:39:09] Voice 9: between Mr. Krentz and the Channel Ridge people.

[2:39:19] Voice 9: And we want to somehow ensure that everyone feels

[2:39:23] Voice 9: at least that they are heard.

[2:39:25] Voice 9: So we need to get back to them.

[2:39:28] Voice 7: Well, I can certainly, I'm just trying to see

[2:39:32] Voice 7: who the letter was addressed to, addressed to all of us.

[2:39:35] Voice 7: I'm certainly happy to respond directly to Mr. Krentz

[2:39:40] Voice 7: on that note. But I can say publicly that, quite honestly, we don't know what it is that

[2:39:45] Voice 7: Prince and Rogers wants to talk to us about. We have continued to insist that they should

[2:39:51] Voice 7: communicate with the channel. We have had a conversation with Industry Canada, who is going

[2:39:57] Voice 7: to also have a conversation with Rogers to determine how this could move forward in a better

[2:40:02] Voice 7: way and uh at this juncture i don't have any direct information just there um but we would

[2:40:09] Voice 7: be continuing as we have to support the interests of the community in in understanding more of uh

[2:40:17] Voice 7: what's going on so rejecting a meeting with mr trench would not be in anybody's

[2:40:23] Voice 7: for anybody's advantage because we want to hear what it is that they have to say because they

[2:40:27] Voice 7: haven't formally uh communicated with us does that sound reasonable yes

[2:40:30] Voice 9: it does and i would ask that

[2:40:31] Voice 9: you as the chair of respond to mr clark explaining that thank

[2:40:35] Voice 9: you all

[2:40:39] Voice 7: right and so that does

[2:40:40] Voice 7: correspondence uh delegations as i just uh explained and i don't know if the regional

[2:40:46] Voice 7: planning manager has anything further to add that the delegation has been deferred to june 17th

[2:40:51] Voice 7: okay so we'll just receive that for information and uh so now i would like to move into the town

[2:40:58] Voice 7: down hall and questions period um and just remind uh the public that we are proposed by

[2:41:04] Voice 7: law number 525 at Mountain Road as the public hearing is closed there on March 22nd and we're

[2:41:11] Voice 7: not permitted to receive information for our bylaws and legislation and so just uh I'm getting

[2:41:20] Voice 7: back to to the practice that we used to do to suggest that there's three areas of the interest

[2:41:27] Voice 7: that the LTC has and when you comment that being items that are on our agenda today as a priority

[2:41:33] Voice 7: are those that we're going to be making decisions on and those items that are in our queue that

[2:41:39] Voice 7: aren't on today's agenda but that you want to share some information with us and then other

[2:41:43] Voice 7: items within the jurisdiction of the LTC we'd like to speak to us about and so I'll ask right off

[2:41:50] Voice 7: anybody that wishes to address applications that are on today's agenda and there's two of them

[2:41:56] Voice 7: them back anybody wish to address those two applications then i will um and we we're not

[2:42:05] Voice 7: supporting uh communication over the zoom okay so then i'll ask if there's folks in the audience

[2:42:15] Voice 7: that wish to address other applications that are not on today's agenda yes me please

[2:42:23] Voice 7: up to the podium anyway the mic is that the camera thing what's

[2:42:28] Voice 6: that there's a camera thing

[2:42:37] Voice 2: okay

[2:42:37] Voice 7: okay gotcha tell

[2:42:40] Voice 7: us who you are for the record thank

[2:42:42] Voice 2: you um my name is elizabeth salen

[2:42:44] Voice 2: i'm a salt spring resident um i do many things among those i'm a volunteer at salt spring

[2:42:49] Voice 2: solutions a non-profit on salt spring if you guys are familiar with um i um i'm here today

[2:42:58] Voice 2: day even though I really shouldn't be because I'm super busy um but I felt really drawn to come

[2:43:03] Voice 2: anyway um because um as many of you know I'm a professional accredited planner um like many of

[2:43:11] Voice 2: your staff and um I am connected with the planning community in British Columbia I collaborate with

[2:43:19] Voice 2: other planners and planning firms and jurisdictions and work on research with colleagues across the

[2:43:24] Voice 2: province. And through that network, the RFP that was issued by the Islands Trust by the LTC for the

[2:43:34] Voice 2: Housing Action Program consultation and engagement was brought to my attention by other colleagues

[2:43:41] Voice 2: in the province whose companies, you know, bid on this type of work. And many of them are calling me

[2:43:48] Voice 2: to find out more about how divisive housing is in our community and because after reading the RFP

[2:43:57] Voice 2: especially the part where it says where it references the secondary suites proposal

[2:44:03] Voice 2: and this initiative has become divisive in the community with housing advocates endorsing more

[2:44:09] Voice 2: housing while prevention preservation mind and environmentalists argue for limits on growth

[2:44:13] Voice 2: the main purpose of seeking a professional consulting team is to provide a neutral third

[2:44:18] Voice 2: party to solicit and facilitate community input while bridging the gap between the opposing views

[2:44:23] Voice 2: and i have to say like how disappointing i find this um i've been working as a planner on this

[2:44:30] Voice 2: island for about 10 years and i have never um felt as supported um in the community between

[2:44:40] Voice 2: the different groups trying to work together trying to bridge things seeing commonality

[2:44:46] Voice 2: finding intersectionality talking about how housing solutions and conservation solutions

[2:44:52] Voice 2: as I have the last several years like we've made huge strides as a community on this

[2:44:57] Voice 2: before like there was when I first came here there was a lot more people who had their heels dug in

[2:45:03] Voice 2: thinking you know coming from places of fear on all different issues and I feel like we've done

[2:45:09] Voice 2: tremendous amount of work to actually overcome that i read our ocp and i see an ocp that actually

[2:45:14] Voice 2: has a lot of room for a lot of things i think was written by that by our community intentionally

[2:45:19] Voice 2: that way and i think that if there's things in there that don't represent our community anymore

[2:45:24] Voice 2: we need to update the ocp and let it be a living document um i you know salt spring solutions and

[2:45:30] Voice 2: i assume that we're referenced here is some of the housing advocates endorsing more housing

[2:45:35] Voice 2: it's not like that actually like we're not looking at this as a one issue item like we're looking at

[2:45:41] Voice 2: community planning as something that's like a garden you know like you don't just weed it you

[2:45:45] Voice 2: don't just mulch it you don't just water it you know like you are constantly tending to it from

[2:45:50] Voice 2: all different angles like if we want to live in these islands in nature in community in a healthy

[2:45:57] Voice 2: balance like we have to be working on all things and that's why our organization you know like

[2:46:01] Voice 2: Like, we're not just doing housing.

[2:46:02] Voice 2: Like, we're also, you know, I've spent hundreds of hours working to protect land on Mount Maxwell.

[2:46:08] Voice 2: You know, our organization has attracted over a million dollars to acquire that land with support from CRD.

[2:46:14] Voice 2: You know, and that's because that's important, too.

[2:46:16] Voice 2: And I think there's so many people in leadership positions right now and in the community who, including many who are sitting here, who understand how dynamic this is.

[2:46:27] Voice 2: And I think sending out to the provincial planning community that we're, you know, that we're conservationists versus housing people is so simplistic and it doesn't represent the work ahead that we need to do.

[2:46:40] Voice 2: And then when I read the actual scope of this work, I'm just scratching my head, like better stand, like, you know, identify public values, ideas and recommendations on housing issues.

[2:46:50] Voice 2: I mean, we've been doing that for decades and we have a housing action task force where people are pouring in volunteer hours.

[2:46:57] Voice 2: I mean, I'd like to see those recommendations go to the public and the public engage with those

[2:47:01] Voice 2: recommendations. I'd like to see public education and research brought forward. Like, there's

[2:47:06] Voice 2: amazing work that's been commissioned by our provincial and regional and federal governments

[2:47:12] Voice 2: on how to best regulate short-term vacation rentals, about gentle density, like accessory

[2:47:18] Voice 2: dwelling units, and how to integrate those specifically in rural communities in British

[2:47:21] Voice 2: Columbia. Like, there's tons of great stuff out there. Like, you guys are planning agencies. Help

[2:47:26] Voice 2: help that gets up to the community.

[2:47:28] Voice 2: You know, like we don't need mediation, we need action.

[2:47:32] Voice 2: And so I'm just disappointed

[2:47:34] Voice 2: that this is how violence trust is framing what's going on.

[2:47:38] Voice 2: Like, I think there's actually a lot better stuff going on

[2:47:40] Voice 2: and I think we're ready for action, not for that.

[2:47:42] Voice 2: And I only can assume that this is being driven

[2:47:45] Voice 2: by a small, vocal, retired with time on their hands,

[2:47:50] Voice 2: group of folks who are important

[2:47:52] Voice 2: and have an important voice to share.

[2:47:54] Voice 2: But I hope it doesn't lopside

[2:47:56] Voice 2: and it seems like it has, but I hope it doesn't continue to lopsided how we're framing this

[2:48:00] Voice 2: dialogue around housing. So, thank you.

[2:48:04] Voice 5: Thank you.

[2:48:05] Voice 5: So

[2:48:10] Voice 7: now, are there other problems or issues that somebody would like to address?

[2:48:19] Voice 5: I'm going

[2:48:24] Voice 5: I'm going to move on

[2:48:25] Voice 7: on the agenda to the application and

[2:48:28] Voice 7: the referral for before I'm going to go to the South wind

[2:48:39] Voice 7: to Ferguson.

[2:48:44] Voice 7: I'll ask if the applicant is here. Thank you for joining us.

[2:48:49] Voice 7: So we're going to hear a report from staff on this. I think

[2:48:52] Voice 7: you've seen us do this before. And then we'll come to ask you

[2:48:55] Voice 7: if you concur with the recommendations

[2:48:56] Voice 7: or have other information that you'd like to share,

[2:48:58] Voice 7: and then we'll have a conversation here.

[2:49:00] Voice 7: We might want to ask you some questions,

[2:49:02] Voice 7: one of the staff.

[2:49:06] Voice 7: So we're on page 146 of our agenda.

[2:49:10] Voice 7: Who's going to take the lead on this one?

[2:49:13] Voice 1: Chair Luck, it's Phil Testimale speaking remotely.

[2:49:20] Voice 1: Sorry.

[2:49:20] Voice 1: Hi, Phil.

[2:49:22] Voice 1: Hey, Chair Patrick.

[2:49:24] Voice 1: Oh, I'm sorry, Trustee Patrick in this circumstance.

[2:49:27] Voice 1: Yeah.

[2:49:29] Voice 7: Mayor Mrakas, So thank you for joining us that explains why the other planners were looking away, and so, thank you for your report and i'll turn it over to you.

[2:49:40] Voice 1: Mayor Mrakas, Just a bit of history, this is the first salt spring island local trust committee meeting i've been in in 23 years so there you go.

[2:49:48] Voice 1: Mayor Mrakas, So there's a bit of history for you so anyway, so, as you think you chair luck i'm so.

[2:49:55] Voice 1: So development permit SSDP 2022.2.

[2:50:01] Voice 1: This is an application to consider a development permit

[2:50:04] Voice 1: for measures to protect sensitive riparian

[2:50:07] Voice 1: and aquatic ecosystem for proposed works

[2:50:10] Voice 1: within development permit area seven,

[2:50:12] Voice 1: which is the riparian areas DPA.

[2:50:15] Voice 1: So the property and proposed development

[2:50:16] Voice 1: is within McLemon Creek and its tributaries,

[2:50:22] Voice 1: which are provincial riparian areas protection regulations or RAPR designated water courses within the DPA.

[2:50:30] Voice 1: As required, the applicant hired a qualified environmental professional, Dave Gooding of PNG,

[2:50:38] Voice 1: who submitted a required assessment report to the Provincial Ministry of Lands, Water and Resource Stewardship.

[2:50:45] Voice 1: and they confirmed approval of the methodology on April 19th 2022. So the report itself divided

[2:50:55] Voice 1: the assessment area into three reaches or tributaries for this portion of the watershed

[2:51:00] Voice 1: which is shown on figure 2 which is page 146 of the agenda. So the extent of the development

[2:51:08] Voice 1: within the DPA would be limited to the construction of a gravel access driveway with the cleared area

[2:51:13] Voice 1: of eight meters wide and includes the installation of a culvert across what's defined as reach two of

[2:51:21] Voice 1: the water course secondly the installation of electrical and water service lines to be buried

[2:51:27] Voice 1: in a trench which is labeled as an underground utility conveyance on figure two that would cross

[2:51:33] Voice 1: reach three of the water course on the property itself and extend upward upslope uh to the south

[2:51:39] Voice 1: to a proposed dwelling site and lastly the installation of a drainage ditch for stormwater

[2:51:46] Voice 1: management and cross culverts adjacent to the or sorry across the driveway

[2:51:52] Voice 1: partially which is all partially within the DPA so all of the recommendations and measures in

[2:51:58] Voice 1: the wrapper assessment report have been incorporated into the DP and further conditions

[2:52:03] Voice 1: have also been added based on the specifics of the proposal and previous similar applications

[2:52:10] Voice 1: Attachment 2 on page 156 of the agenda reviews the DPA guidelines and staff considers that the proposed development and a proposed development permit as drafted are consistent with all the guidelines.

[2:52:24] Voice 1: So staff's recommendation is that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of the development permit, and that is supported as the objectives and specific guidelines of the DPA have been met.

[2:52:36] Voice 1: excuse me all relevant recommendations of the wrapper assessment report have been incorporated

[2:52:41] Voice 1: into the conditions of the proposed dp and lastly implementing and monitoring conditions in the dp

[2:52:49] Voice 1: will ensure protection of the sensitive riparian and aquatic ecosystem

[2:52:54] Voice 1: and alternatives to the recommendation have been provided and that's my summary okay well thank

[2:53:01] Voice 7: Thank you very much for joining us, Planner Testimel.

[2:53:05] Voice 7: Appreciate your report.

[2:53:06] Voice 7: It's my pleasure.

[2:53:08] Voice 7: Applicant, let's see if you have anything else to offer

[2:53:10] Voice 7: in regard with the recommendation.

[2:53:13] Voice 3: Yes, thank you to all who it's been a pleasure to work with

[2:53:18] Voice 3: and to the trustees for this opportunity

[2:53:20] Voice 3: to be on the agenda tonight.

[2:53:23] Voice 3: And thank you first and foremost

[2:53:26] Voice 3: for your service to the community

[2:53:28] Voice 3: and the role that you play here.

[2:53:32] Voice 3: My name is Kelly Ferguson. I'm a fifth generation BC resident, although I spent most of my adult life in California.

[2:53:41] Voice 3: I returned to my roots here, moved to Salt Spring Island in 2020 to escape the fires and the smoke and the virus and Trump.

[2:53:54] Voice 3: uh yeah moving moving here in 2020 um the property is pretty unique um it's

[2:54:07] Voice 3: with my best friends where i've been caretaking since being here um the two properties are

[2:54:15] Voice 3: adjacent 50 or 15 acres adjacent to ruffle park and so my vision for the property is to

[2:54:22] Voice 3: to act as a steward, really an extension of the park,

[2:54:26] Voice 3: of the ecosystem of the park,

[2:54:29] Voice 3: and to build ultimately an intergenerational gathering point

[2:54:33] Voice 3: for my many BC relatives and friends.

[2:54:39] Voice 3: I have found really a profound peace and healing here on Salt Spring Island,

[2:54:45] Voice 3: and this is obviously a place where I want to continue to put down roots.

[2:54:52] Voice 3: And I appreciate the staff's, you know, positive recommendation.

[2:54:57] Voice 3: Dave Gooding, P. Eng., is here.

[2:55:01] Voice 3: Professional engineer is here to answer any questions on the biology.

[2:55:05] Voice 3: I'm happy to answer any questions as well.

[2:55:08] Voice 3: Do

[2:55:11] Voice 7: you have any questions for the staff?

[2:55:14] Voice 7: I want to thank you for getting involved in your application.

[2:55:19] Voice 7: You came to our last meeting.

[2:55:21] Voice 7: You watched the process.

[2:55:22] Voice 7: You introduced yourself.

[2:55:24] Voice 7: And I really thank you for doing that.

[2:55:26] Voice 7: i mean a lot of people are like oh gosh i go through this process they get all negative and

[2:55:29] Voice 7: i thank you for embracing it and learning and because that's what it's about is to love your

[2:55:36] Voice 1: land and

[2:55:37] Voice 7: to understand you know how to develop it the best way it can be so i thank you very

[2:55:44] Voice 7: much i don't have any questions i think it's well presented and i understand it so i

[2:55:51] Voice 9: neither do i

[2:55:52] Voice 9: sure

[2:55:53] Voice 7: there we go um i move the

[2:56:06] Voice 9: social and local trust committee approves issuance of development

[2:56:09] Voice 9: thank you

[2:56:19] Voice 7: um so i'm going to move on here's section 17.2 on page 183 of your agenda

[2:56:30] Voice 5: it's

[2:56:37] Voice 7: like spanner yeoman's name is on this file and this will propose bylaw number 551 mountain

[2:56:46] Voice 7: road applicant here today do

[2:56:50] Voice 8: not appear yourself hey thank you chair luckham uh this is the last

[2:56:58] Voice 8: stage in a rezoning application for 1351 mountain road uh this rezoning to bylaw number 525

[2:57:07] Voice 8: will allow for an oversized boathouse and implement a 15 meter setback requirements

[2:57:13] Voice 8: on the subject property the ltc gave the bylaw third reading at your march 22nd meeting it was

[2:57:18] Voice 8: subsequently approved by islands trust executive committee on april 13th uh there was a public

[2:57:24] Voice 8: hearing on march 22nd as well nobody spoke for or against the application of that public hearing

[2:57:31] Voice 8: for you for adoption

[2:57:41] Voice 7: I

[2:57:42] Voice 9: move the Solskjaer Local Trust Committee bylaw number 525, cited the Solskjaer Land

[2:57:46] Voice 9: Use Bylaw number 355, 1999, Amendment number 2, 2021, be adopted.

[2:57:51] Voice 7: Second.

[2:57:52] Voice 7: Move.

[2:57:53] Voice 7: Seconded.

[2:57:53] Voice 7: Any further discussion?

[2:57:55] Voice 7: No.

[2:57:56] Voice 7: Again, that's been a good, thank you very much, David.

[2:57:59] Voice 7: It's been a good process.

[2:58:00] Voice 7: And thank the applicant for their work.

[2:58:03] Voice 7: So all those in favor?

[2:58:05] Voice 7: Keep going.

[2:58:07] Voice 7: all right so that brings an entry

[2:58:09] Voice 7: application to referrals and now if i'm not mistaken we're

[2:58:12] Voice 7: going to come back to 8.1 for the housing action program and that's on day 81

[2:58:19] Voice 7: louisa garbo this is your opportunity to uh to wake up just today thank

[2:58:25] Voice 6: you this is really uh

[2:58:28] Voice 6: recording the rfp that we have put out uh that the speakers spoke on actually earlier on

[2:58:36] Voice 6: this rfp we we budgeted for about thirty thousand dollars and uh was a bit of a surprise when we got

[2:58:45] Voice 6: the final uh total for the ganges and the housing project budget after the trust council meeting

[2:58:53] Voice 6: amendment so because of that we're short of money to move the rfp forward uh in the sap report uh

[2:59:02] Voice 6: I was recommended to word it to say scale back the project,

[2:59:10] Voice 6: and that is certainly an option.

[2:59:12] Voice 6: But one thing I do want to share with Trustee today,

[2:59:15] Voice 6: because I got a better sense on the three projects, the line items,

[2:59:20] Voice 6: with the CDF, with the Ganges, and with the COSIN,

[2:59:24] Voice 6: one way we can still move forward with the RFP is if Trustee will,

[2:59:30] Voice 6: sorry, LTC will consider similar to what you've done

[2:59:35] Voice 6: before you adopt a resolution

[2:59:36] Voice 6: to let us utilize resources between Ganchis and Housen.

[2:59:41] Voice 6: If you can allow us to do with CDF as well,

[2:59:45] Voice 6: then we can manage to find money somehow

[2:59:50] Voice 6: to the end of this year.

[2:59:53] Voice 6: And then by, I think it's sometime around September,

[2:59:56] Voice 6: we have to start building our business case again for all.

[3:00:00] Voice 6: we would like to then ask all of that that didn't get carried over we will ask for that for next

[3:00:07] Voice 6: year to continue to finish so uh in summary you do have the option of setting this uh staff report

[3:00:15] Voice 6: that you could consider or one that i just mentioned is to adopt a resolution to allow us to

[3:00:23] Voice 6: utilize the resources within the three projects so that all three of them can continue to go the

[3:00:30] Voice 6: waves yeah

[3:00:32] Voice 7: i think that you know i couldn't recall the debate of council but i think that

[3:00:38] Voice 7: was the intention was to redistribute the funds that we have that's correct

[3:00:44] Voice 7: well it's far more complicated than that well for sure it is yeah go ahead well um

[3:00:53] Voice 7: i would assume there was carryover um which we had unspent funds for last year 26 000 for

[3:01:02] Voice 7: kansas village of 38 000 for an hour you

[3:01:04] Voice 8: were actually told that yeah

[3:01:05] Voice 7: so um i was

[3:01:09] Voice 7: i assumed that carryover existed um and so the fact that it vaporized is uh um another issue and

[3:01:21] Voice 7: definitely an avenue that uh we could pursue is going to trust council and seeking uh

[3:01:28] Voice 7: surplus funds to pay for something um i do want to talk about the rfp because uh amazingly i had

[3:01:35] Voice 7: very similar comments to what came up at the town hall so there are some things to talk about

[3:01:40] Voice 7: um uh we did not our motion and i went back and read it from uh january of 2021 not march

[3:01:48] Voice 7: we said to seek opportunities for collaboration and efficiencies between the two projects that

[3:01:54] Voice 7: was not a motion that said go ahead and use money from one project to another and that was even

[3:01:59] Voice 7: before the budgets had even been approved so um i think that the content of his understanding is

[3:02:06] Voice 7: if you're going to bring a consultant in that could do two things both housing and ganges at

[3:02:10] Voice 7: the same time those are the type of efficiencies not you know take a consultant for housing

[3:02:15] Voice 7: and a consultant for Ganges and take them from different pots.

[3:02:22] Voice 7: I'm uncomfortable bringing the Coastal Douglas Fir Project into this problem.

[3:02:30] Voice 7: This is a project that demonstrates working with others.

[3:02:39] Voice 7: So it's got good cooperation. Partners are counting on the money.

[3:02:43] Voice 7: Other islands, that was the reason we defended the project at Trust Council,

[3:02:48] Voice 7: was other islands are excited and looking forward to the work that we're learning the work that

[3:02:52] Voice 7: we're doing with wildfire resiliency um is important to how we manage uh lands particularly

[3:03:02] Voice 7: lands that we have under covenants um that trust that other local trust committees are

[3:03:08] Voice 7: wanting to know more about so it's an important project yes it's rainy and we might have a wet

[3:03:14] Voice 7: that summer, yay, but we know the dry summers are coming back.

[3:03:19] Voice 7: And I don't think delaying that work

[3:03:22] Voice 7: and it accompanies the grant work that's being done

[3:03:26] Voice 7: up at Lake Maxwell. So I really

[3:03:30] Voice 7: am uncomfortable until we know that that project

[3:03:34] Voice 7: has projected surplus. That's a different story, but

[3:03:37] Voice 7: they haven't even awarded the contracts yet. So maybe

[3:03:42] Voice 7: be down the road it has projected surplus but i think it's too early so i i would leave that one

[3:03:48] Voice 7: out of the equation for now so that means you've got the ganges and and the housing um i do think

[3:03:56] Voice 7: the rfp needs to be amended to be clear as to what we're doing um so

[3:04:03] Voice 9: the rfp the

[3:04:04] Voice 7: rfp what that's

[3:04:06] Voice 7: that's out there i can you know

[3:04:07] Voice 9: if we didn't it

[3:04:08] Voice 7: is but you can add an

[3:04:10] Voice 7: amendment you can you

[3:04:12] Voice 7: can put

[3:04:12] Voice 5: an amendment closed

[3:04:13] Voice 7: today no it was i think it's been extended

[3:04:21] Voice 7: i'm concerned i am concerned there's too many issues so let's talk about that later i mean

[3:04:27] Voice 7: the key thing is there was no carryover that project had estimated 30 000 but there was only

[3:04:33] Voice 7: 25 000 in the budget so and that happened it didn't go out to bid till april we made those

[3:04:38] Voice 7: decisions of trust council back in early march so i don't know what happened to the communications

[3:04:45] Voice 7: um so the other thing is ganji's village while there is not a lot of money there

[3:04:54] Voice 7: i assume there was carryover again but if there isn't um that we have an opportunity

[3:05:03] Voice 7: with Ganges Village as I've always said to do it right and we now know that we have

[3:05:14] Voice 7: First Nations that are interested in doing it right with us and that's exciting um what does

[3:05:23] Voice 7: that look like I don't know but I think it's important I think of you know Gary Gary's gone

[3:05:30] Voice 7: now but he said that the harbor walk is back you know being thought of again and they're thinking

[3:05:34] Voice 7: of consultation with First Nations.

[3:05:36] Voice 7: It's like, this is Ganges village is Ganges village.

[3:05:39] Voice 7: If we're talking with First Nations about the harbor front

[3:05:42] Voice 7: and what it looks like, it should be,

[3:05:43] Voice 7: we are all talking together jointly.

[3:05:46] Voice 7: So I think we have an urgent opportunity to talk to the CRD

[3:05:51] Voice 7: to make sure that we're all coordinated,

[3:05:53] Voice 7: not going to the nations who are already,

[3:05:57] Voice 7: you know, overwhelmed by the amount of questions

[3:05:59] Voice 7: that we're directing to them to do this right.

[3:06:05] Voice 7: and that the harbor walk is a fundamental piece of Ganges and that we should you know be having

[3:06:10] Voice 7: these conversations jointly and and I see only um I mean not even conversations but the planning

[3:06:18] Voice 7: done jointly I only see good I only see good coming out of this of a future for Ganges that's

[3:06:26] Voice 7: even better so I think we need to take a bit of a breather or a pause with Ganges to make sure we're

[3:06:35] Voice 7: on the right course that we have and we will need resources perhaps from the province or others to

[3:06:43] Voice 7: help do this this planning right because i think we're again being a bit of a um you know a forward

[3:06:53] Voice 7: player in this world i don't think bc has a lot of examples of good coal planning with first nations

[3:07:02] Voice 7: and um i said i'm i'm excited but i also know that this is not something that goes quickly

[3:07:10] Voice 7: so but we don't have there's only like nineteen thousand dollars sitting there

[3:07:15] Voice 7: in that budget there's probably none yeah

[3:07:18] Voice 6: it's

[3:07:20] Voice 7: gone so so

[3:07:23] Voice 9: you have new money in the

[3:07:24] Voice 9: we

[3:07:24] Voice 6: have because we still have to pay the remaining uh consulting fee and i think we'll have about

[3:07:32] Voice 6: 8 000 less than 8 000 left they're

[3:07:36] Voice 9: expecting a report from the consultant when is that coming

[3:07:39] Voice 9: at the end of june

[3:07:39] Voice 6: after they have an event so it will be uh it will be just a brief report

[3:07:45] Voice 6: because they already did the large report so

[3:07:51] Voice 7: um we're in a dilemma with that project and um

[3:07:58] Voice 7: And like I said, the RFP here.

[3:08:03] Voice 7: It's also opportunity.

[3:08:05] Voice 7: It's not just the dilemma.

[3:08:06] Voice 7: No, the opportunity is huge.

[3:08:08] Voice 7: The opportunity of working with First Nations is great.

[3:08:11] Voice 7: And yes, it'll involve our budget cycle for the next fiscal, but it also involves conversations with the province.

[3:08:22] Voice 7: Emily Olson said, if we do it right, he'll help find money.

[3:08:26] Voice 7: And I think those were the hints that he was dropping.

[3:08:29] Voice 7: was if we do it right um because there's only a benefit to the province if we can help blaze the

[3:08:36] Voice 7: way on a co-planning of the area plan of this nature um we're we're helping to set a process

[3:08:46] Voice 7: that others can follow so there's only benefit so do you have a proposal to have to proceed here

[3:08:55] Voice 7: well i'm again we can talk about the rfp but i'll keep it going

[3:08:58] Voice 9: let's talk about let's talk about

[3:09:00] Voice 9: but let's talk about money right now.

[3:09:04] Voice 7: I know, that's what I thought.

[3:09:04] Voice 7: You would definitely like to talk about money.

[3:09:06] Voice 9: Well, no, I'm not entirely clear

[3:09:07] Voice 9: as to what the money situation is.

[3:09:10] Voice 9: Are you?

[3:09:14] Voice 7: No, I just...

[3:09:16] Voice 9: Lisa, how much money do we have in the pot left?

[3:09:20] Voice 6: So having actually take a close look,

[3:09:23] Voice 6: I didn't get a chance to look at housing,

[3:09:25] Voice 6: but as far as I know, we have that 25,000

[3:09:28] Voice 6: because we're not having a consultant

[3:09:30] Voice 6: that we need to pay.

[3:09:32] Voice 6: we could potentially defer the rfp that might be the other option yeah

[3:09:40] Voice 9: sorry we got 25 000 in what bucket

[3:09:43] Voice 6: housing for housing yeah

[3:09:45] Voice 6: ganges is only less than eight

[3:09:47] Voice 6: thousand okay

[3:09:48] Voice 9: so and and we've got an rfp for gadgets yeah no housing the housing

[3:09:52] Voice 9: not a big amount and how much do you need it's

[3:09:58] Voice 6: a it's 30 but we cannot just have 30 000 because

[3:10:03] Voice 6: the projects still require a lot of money to continue i

[3:10:13] Voice 7: i think there's an extra i think

[3:10:16] Voice 7: we need to go take a look at the situation and if we have to go to trust council and ask for

[3:10:24] Voice 7: you know additional funding for whatever reason then that's a path we have to consider um but we

[3:10:33] Voice 9: can't put um the we can't put ganges on her while we get back yeah

[3:10:39] Voice 7: but the rfp so i mean it's been

[3:10:41] Voice 7: out you know clearly people have been expressing interest i said i can't support the rfp for

[3:10:48] Voice 7: exactly what she read it the same way i i did um so

[3:10:53] Voice 6: are you saying

[3:10:54] Voice 7: that we can defer to this

[3:10:55] Voice 6: although there's a week

[3:10:57] Voice 7: remaining we could actually just simply put it up

[3:11:00] Voice 6: uh my understanding is we can either cancel the rfp we just have to let the bc procurement office

[3:11:07] Voice 6: know to cancel it right i'm not sure the process of postponing it right

[3:11:13] Voice 7: yeah i

[3:11:14] Voice 6: think it's just a

[3:11:14] Voice 6: message that we will go on

[3:11:16] Voice 7: canceling it would be the most obvious thing to

[3:11:18] Voice 6: do and we

[3:11:18] Voice 7: can reissue it

[3:11:19] Voice 7: it needs an addendum to clarify the concerns that are being consulted on absolutely and how much

[3:11:27] Voice 7: unspent actually uncommitted money i think is probably what we're interested in how much

[3:11:31] Voice 7: uncommitted money well

[3:11:33] Voice 6: i was saying we have 25 000 for this year yeah which

[3:11:37] Voice 6: is still less than what

[3:11:39] Voice 6: we asked for. Right. And for Ganges?

[3:11:43] Voice 7: Less than 8,000. The 25,000 is exactly what was asked for

[3:11:48] Voice 7: in the business case. It just, you thought you had the carryover. Exactly. That's the

[3:11:54] Voice 7: difference.

[3:11:56] Voice 7: Yeah, there is no carryover. 38,000 vaporized. Okay, so what do you want to do?

[3:12:06] Voice 9: I'm concerned

[3:12:07] Voice 9: concerned about the RFP and how that went out we never got to see that did we uh

[3:12:13] Voice 6: my understanding

[3:12:15] Voice 6: is you cannot see that as your elected official uh it's a I don't press

[3:12:19] Voice 6: policy because and I don't

[3:12:22] Voice 6: know the detail but you cannot influence the RFP yeah

[3:12:28] Voice 7: the fault yeah I think that's the great way

[3:12:30] Voice 7: to characterize it is the policy is that you determine what your project is and staff right

[3:12:36] Voice 7: right the rfp based upon the requirement on your charter to unbiasedly non-politically seek

[3:12:46] Voice 7: willing participants but this is not the project and we've been clear we've been clear in the

[3:12:54] Voice 7: principles of the project bringing people together to work on solutions not pit them against each

[3:13:01] Voice 7: other and and um i said i sat gary's not here the meeting we were sitting in last friday was a group

[3:13:10] Voice 7: of housing advocates the best across all of the islands they all spoke deeply about the environment

[3:13:18] Voice 7: they all spoke deeply about climate change and reconciliation um and we can't say there's two

[3:13:28] Voice 7: groups of people who can't and

[3:13:31] Voice 9: was the word device is actually used yes well that's kind of unfortunate

[3:13:35] Voice 9: yeah

[3:13:36] Voice 7: well you know i i don't want to judge the work of staff and make it light but withdrawing

[3:13:45] Voice 5: the

[3:13:45] Voice 7: app the rfd would be the most appropriate thing to do and then let's stimulate that

[3:13:51] Voice 7: conversation or what what it is is the object and the goal of this work so that we can work with

[3:13:58] Voice 7: staff to request i think we need to look at this and we also you know we need to look at

[3:14:03] Voice 7: next steps with first nations i think

[3:14:07] Voice 7: the three of us will be making a a trip across the waters

[3:14:13] Voice 7: um and see where things go so i think there's some revisiting there and some

[3:14:20] Voice 7: re-assessing of uh resources and if we have to go to trust council to battle for more so so be it

[3:14:28] Voice 7: I'm always happy to win the battle, can't promise any outcomes, but it's going to get bloody.

[3:14:33] Voice 9: But I agree with withdrawing it, especially if the language really does not reflect who we think we

[3:14:38] Voice 9: are, what it is we're trying to do. And when it is redone, it seems to me, I mean, I don't understand

[3:14:44] Voice 9: this policy, the committee itself should have had a chance to look at the RFP because it's the

[3:14:49] Voice 9: committee that's going to be working with this.

[3:14:53] Voice 7: Well, I think probably we need to seek more

[3:14:55] Voice 7: clarity with david muller but there is a necessity for what's the word i'm looking for for non-political

[3:15:07] Voice 7: influence in uh contracting services i

[3:15:14] Voice 6: think sometimes it just kind of uh

[3:15:18] Voice 6: lower the line yeah so that's why they have that policy in place um my suggestion is it's good

[3:15:27] Voice 6: comment that we're hearing today and i think rather than tweaking it let's just cancel it

[3:15:33] Voice 6: yeah and we will redevelop another rfp while we're sorting out the funding issue yeah good

[3:15:39] Voice 7: so you'd like a motion to that effect or can you

[3:15:44] Voice 6: yeah yeah we will need that and

[3:15:47] Voice 7: i thank you for

[3:15:48] Voice 7: that

[3:15:48] Voice 6: and after that we will have 25 000 for housing to do other engagements the work still

[3:15:55] Voice 7: needs to be done yeah yeah um so do you want to attempt a motion on the fly

[3:16:04] Voice 7: you're ready i

[3:16:05] Voice 6: think we do have a motion is there

[3:16:07] Voice 6: one on canceling

[3:16:09] Voice 7: what page i'm sorry i'm looking

[3:16:13] Voice 7: no but you said to do it in-house and i think no

[3:16:16] Voice 5: i don't want to do

[3:16:16] Voice 7: that i i think it's um no we

[3:16:19] Voice 7: should consider options yeah no i think you need to revisit what needs to be done certainly you know

[3:16:26] Voice 7: bringing external support in to help people formulate solutions is very important.

[3:16:33] Voice 7: We're trying to do deliberative dialogue. Those are skills that we don't have and need to work on.

[3:16:40] Voice 7: Did you find something there first, Rob?

[3:16:42] Voice 7: No, it doesn't say which one.

[3:16:45] Voice 7: That's just

[3:16:45] Voice 9: the end of the pages.

[3:16:47] Voice 7: Yeah, no,

[3:16:48] Voice 1: I've got that in front of me. That's not.

[3:16:50] Voice 7: Oh, and cancel the RFP.

[3:16:52] Voice 7: But it's

[3:16:53] Voice 1: not even emotional.

[3:16:54] Voice 7: um you're gonna have

[3:16:56] Voice 1: to do it on

[3:16:57] Voice 7: the fly i'll move that the south spring island local trust

[3:16:59] Voice 7: committee requests staff to to uh cancel the rfp and the

[3:17:09] Voice 9: dated whatever that was

[3:17:11] Voice 7: may the 17th so no that's the way

[3:17:15] Voice 9: they know what the

[3:17:16] Voice 7: rfp is it was april 12th

[3:17:20] Voice 6: i actually don't know the exact day if you see if you're going to change well

[3:17:24] Voice 7: you know what they

[3:17:24] Voice 7: are it's the only one active rfp um and evaluate resource options for the housing project

[3:17:38] Voice 7: sounds good we can do a separate motion on the uh uh gander's village yeah okay

[3:17:45] Voice 5: you got that

[3:17:46] Voice 5: room do you have in mind so we want to say what rfp do you have a title program

[3:18:14] Voice 5: it's

[3:18:14] Voice 6: housing action program public engagement yeah there

[3:18:18] Voice 7: you can add that

[3:18:24] Voice 5: yeah that's good now okay so moved and seconded

[3:18:42] Voice 7: up

[3:18:42] Voice 7: motion it's basically while we need to pause there is there is a little there is some work that the

[3:18:50] Voice 7: task force could there you know we have the report out if we're going to proceed with that workshop

[3:18:55] Voice 7: i mean it's already publicized so i guess we're kind of forces around the world to pause it after

[3:19:01] Voice 7: um well i think we should pause it i think it's important to pause it so that we have that message

[3:19:07] Voice 7: to bring to first nations yeah um

[3:19:14] Voice 7: well no but but it's caused

[3:19:18] Voice 7: to to re-examine uh opportunities for you know partnering or

[3:19:25] Voice 7: joint planning with first nations yeah and and the the task force should should

[3:19:33] Voice 7: complete the work around the reports that are open right now to you know to do the work that

[3:19:38] Voice 7: needs to be done regarding those reports that the information while it's rich and current and

[3:19:44] Voice 7: those type of things while we sort this other opportunity out so

[3:19:54] Voice 7: if we just we say if the motion can only really say pause but uh i think

[3:20:01] Voice 7: beginning because i don't want to get to that level of detail we're telling the

[3:20:06] Voice 7: task force to wrap up the you know not wrap up but slow down its work

[3:20:11] Voice 7: so you could say pending the conclusion of the

[3:20:16] Voice 7: of this engagement

[3:20:17] Voice 1: phase that's true this engagement

[3:20:19] Voice 7: phase yeah that i will pause

[3:20:22] Voice 7: okay yeah that would work so that requests uh that upon completion of the of this

[3:20:31] Voice 7: phase of engagement something like that press staff to

[3:20:39] Voice 7: yeah whatever this uh phase of engagement pause the project while we explore opportunities

[3:20:57] Voice 7: to

[3:20:59] Voice 5: work with first nations on the project or something or

[3:21:10] Voice 5: or should

[3:21:13] Voice 6: we clarify who explore the opportunity my concern is

[3:21:21] Voice 6: well the

[3:21:24] Voice 7: local trust committee to allow the ltg yeah let the local trust committee

[3:21:30] Voice 7: on

[3:21:31] Voice 5: this

[3:21:39] Voice 7: um yeah uh yeah to work with or partner with or work with that work with

[3:21:46] Voice 7: work with it probably let's

[3:21:48] Voice 5: leave it at that you made that motion yeah

[3:22:00] Voice 7: i think that's all right

[3:22:04] Voice 7: yeah i mean it's just i think from the beginning i've gone back and re-read we were clear from the

[3:22:11] Voice 7: beginning this is an opportunity to do something very different and as i told the paper last time

[3:22:19] Voice 7: i said this a good plan for ganges is a good plan for ganges there's all these conversations about

[3:22:24] Voice 7: of governance and all these things

[3:22:26] Voice 7: sticking out there and it's like to me that's irrelevant

[3:22:29] Voice 7: what's important is the

[3:22:30] Voice 7: future of Ganges what does it look like

[3:22:32] Voice 7: and we know the future of Ganges involves

[3:22:34] Voice 7: a stronger relationship with First Nations

[3:22:36] Voice 7: so this allows

[3:22:38] Voice 7: us to really hopefully

[3:22:40] Voice 7: find a way

[3:22:41] Voice 7: to bring them to the table in an exciting

[3:22:44] Voice 7: way

[3:22:46] Voice 5: okay

[3:22:47] Voice 7: then I'll call for the vote

[3:22:49] Voice 7: all those in favor

[3:22:51] Voice 7: excellent

[3:22:54] Voice 7: I

[3:22:54] Voice 9: just have a question if I may

[3:22:56] Voice 9: about clarification on the pause

[3:22:59] Voice 9: and how it relates to the work of the task force

[3:23:03] Voice 9: is are we pausing the task force as well

[3:23:06] Voice 9: at the conclusion of this June 4th workshop?

[3:23:09] Voice 9: Because I'm just concerned that the task force

[3:23:14] Voice 9: is looking at adopting a work plan

[3:23:16] Voice 9: at their meeting on Thursday,

[3:23:18] Voice 9: which seems problematic to do in light of a pause.

[3:23:23] Voice 9: And I'm just curious as to what work

[3:23:24] Voice 9: they could actually carry out in the interim.

[3:23:26] Voice 9: that would lead to the overall development of a plan recognizing that this co-planning exercises

[3:23:33] Voice 9: intended to occur it seems to me that pausing the task force would be appropriate at this time

[3:23:38] Voice 9: i

[3:23:38] Voice 7: i think so too i think i

[3:23:40] Voice 7: think hear from them on what they you know to look at the report that

[3:23:44] Voice 7: we just got the ground tweaking of the report i mean reconciliation of first nations came up in

[3:23:49] Voice 7: that report um so i think they need to take what time they need to talk about that talk about

[3:23:57] Voice 7: the results of the workshop coming you know there's opportunities for them to provide input

[3:24:02] Voice 7: into this bay so that it's not just left because if it's if they don't talk about it until next

[3:24:07] Voice 7: fall they may forgot and forget about it so it's while it's fresh they can talk about this version

[3:24:14] Voice 7: and then maybe have the summer off while we figure

[3:24:19] Voice 6: this out we do need

[3:24:21] Voice 6: clarification because they

[3:24:23] Voice 6: cannot meet on their own no no

[3:24:25] Voice 7: i know i didn't didn't mean that there's work to i don't know

[3:24:29] Voice 7: how many meetings they would need to talk about because i think we were bringing the reports from

[3:24:35] Voice 7: their workshop they had the reports from uh the annie's engagement that they did in the village

[3:24:42] Voice 7: and then now they're going to do these workshops so there's active things to look at and provide

[3:24:51] Voice 7: So

[3:24:53] Voice 9: it sounds like there's a shift in the focus of the task force from providing input on the development of objectives and policies of the secondary plan to providing feedback on the consultant reports that have been done so far.

[3:25:08] Voice 7: No, I mean, the objectives haven't changed other than we need to speak with First Nations before we get too much further down the planning road.

[3:25:18] Voice 7: So that's the pause is we shouldn't be planning too many next steps until we revisit First Nations.

[3:25:27] Voice 7: But I assumed you were seeking their feedback on the workshop.

[3:25:35] Voice 9: Yeah, I mean, their primary goal or their work seems to be oriented towards developing the goals and visions of the secondary plan.

[3:25:46] Voice 9: plan. So it seems to me like that work should be paused while you explore opportunities to

[3:25:55] Voice 9: co-plan First Nations. So if it's possible, a resolution from the LTC directing the task force

[3:26:02] Voice 9: as to what they would like to see them report back on, would be helpful to guide that work.

[3:26:08] Voice 9: benefits to provide input on or provide advice to the ltc on the outcome of the engagement so far

[3:26:21] Voice 9: based on the the you know the the various reports that audience provided and and there's the two

[3:26:30] Voice 9: the two that i can think of right now the first one being the sort of initial multiplication

[3:26:38] Voice 9: patient base just need a bit more does

[3:26:42] Voice 7: that make sense to you it

[3:26:44] Voice 9: does make sense to me because i

[3:26:45] Voice 9: think it gives them some ability to provide feedback to the process so far but i i think

[3:26:52] Voice 9: having them continue on what they're trying to determine you know goals and objectives of this

[3:26:59] Voice 9: plan is ultimately going to be a waste of time if i may characterize it that way because who knows

[3:27:04] Voice 9: what the outcome of the co-planning exercise is going to be and it seems

[3:27:08] Voice 9: premature to go down that

[3:27:10] Voice 9: road too far i

[3:27:11] Voice 7: think that makes sense yeah you know i think that the process today has certainly

[3:27:18] Voice 7: resolved thoughts and ideas from a local perspective what we if i'm not mistaken correct

[3:27:25] Voice 7: anything wrong what we as council and as the local trust committee has committed is to engage with

[3:27:32] Voice 7: first nations early and often it's kind of the language to use in order to bring that knowledge

[3:27:39] Voice 7: and that wisdom into moving to the next step so that objects and outcomes and what we know

[3:27:45] Voice 7: or goals needs to absolutely be threaded into the first nations values and uh expectations for

[3:27:55] Voice 7: what what we've authored and and so i don't think we want to i think the key in what we've heard

[3:28:01] Voice 7: from First Nations is don't get too far ahead before you invite us to the table.

[3:28:05] Voice 7: So invite them to the table and then bring that all together and jump back later on.

[3:28:12] Voice 7: Well yeah we don't know what we're going to jointly decide what we do next is I think the

[3:28:17] Voice 7: opportunity here. Yeah. So do you need something

[3:28:22] Voice 7: else more specific than that? What it says pause

[3:28:26] Voice 7: oh you want to it

[3:28:27] Voice 9: would it would be helpful because it's yeah I do sort of

[3:28:30] Voice 9: see it as a

[3:28:31] Voice 9: bit of a reorientation of the task force uh from what they seem to be on the track of doing to say

[3:28:39] Voice 9: um provide feedback on supposed

[3:28:42] Voice 7: to wing another one then you know this is a road that none of

[3:28:47] Voice 7: us have certainly gone and but

[3:28:49] Voice 9: i i i certainly do echo your comments around personations not wanting

[3:28:55] Voice 9: us to come up with any preconceived ideas

[3:28:57] Voice 9: of what

[3:28:58] Voice 7: we want to do.

[3:28:59] Voice 9: That would be disastrous

[3:29:01] Voice 7: to deliver them a plan right now.

[3:29:03] Voice 9: Exactly. So we shouldn't be drafting any

[3:29:05] Voice 9: policies. I

[3:29:06] Voice 9: think we've said all

[3:29:07] Voice 9: we need to say.

[3:29:08] Voice 7: Well, he still wants

[3:29:09] Voice 7: something specific about the task

[3:29:11] Voice 9: force. And this is

[3:29:11] Voice 9: more for the task force itself

[3:29:13] Voice 9: to read the resolution and say, okay, this is

[3:29:15] Voice 9: what the work we're supposed to be doing now.

[3:29:17] Voice 7: I think the important thing,

[3:29:19] Voice 7: we're appreciating the work

[3:29:21] Voice 7: they're doing. I envision them to be

[3:29:23] Voice 7: involve more it's just we need to reset our relationships with a major and i'd like them

[3:29:29] Voice 7: you know this is because i don't know

[3:29:31] Voice 7: what an

[3:29:32] Voice 1: ideal world they're involved

[3:29:34] Voice 7: and then it's like broader scope conversations and then ultimately that task force would be

[3:29:44] Voice 7: involved in the bigger conversations with everybody i

[3:29:47] Voice 6: think just narrowing the personality

[3:29:49] Voice 6: on the task force they're very passionate and i think clear direction would be really helpful

[3:29:54] Voice 6: so it's not our interpretation of what the LTC is.

[3:30:00] Voice 7: meeting is public and what we're saying now is recorded yeah all right so what do you want us

[3:30:05] Voice 7: to say in a motion so it's going to be the old salt screen i don't want the trust committee

[3:30:10] Voice 7: request the test request the task force to yeah

[3:30:16] Voice 9: request that the ganges

[3:30:19] Voice 5: village area fund task

[3:30:20] Voice 5: force well you

[3:30:31] Voice 7: know i'm gonna just say out loud the word pause is actually a good one

[3:30:36] Voice 7: pause on the further development of objectives and goals which is what you've sort of suggested

[3:30:41] Voice 7: is where they want to go while the local trust committee uh works with first nations

[3:30:50] Voice 7: to facilitate working together on objectives

[3:30:54] Voice 9: yeah and that's exactly i thought we had actually done

[3:30:59] Voice 9: that this

[3:31:00] Voice 7: is just more specific instructions but you're saying but they should they should

[3:31:06] Voice 7: i'm

[3:31:06] Voice 9: just trying to envision what future task force meetings what the agenda would consist of if

[3:31:12] Voice 9: they're going to be no

[3:31:12] Voice 7: they should finish there will be a break this poll so

[3:31:15] Voice 7: there is there is

[3:31:16] Voice 7: i think there'll be a physical pause

[3:31:18] Voice 9: but you don't need any reporting back from them on anything well

[3:31:21] Voice 7: i'd like to do they were you intending to get their feedback on the ani report

[3:31:27] Voice 7: on the workshop

[3:31:28] Voice 7: and the that they had in the workshops that are coming were you intending to get their feedback

[3:31:34] Voice 9: They've been provided with the reports but I don't think there was anything that needed to come from the task force to the LTC necessarily.

[3:31:40] Voice 7: So I think that would be helpful.

[3:31:42] Voice 9: Yeah, if that would be

[3:31:43] Voice 9: a helpful direction to say leave it as it is and then provide feedback to the LTC on the ONI.

[3:31:57] Voice 7: On the first phase engagement

[3:31:59] Voice 9: reports.

[3:32:00] Voice 7: reports yes

[3:32:02] Voice 6: just for clarification you're not asking them to revise that at the report

[3:32:09] Voice 6: because the consultant is done yeah no

[3:32:11] Voice 7: i think it's more just there you know it's always good

[3:32:14] Voice 6: to

[3:32:14] Voice 7: get a local feedback i mean i think the consultants have done a good job i read it

[3:32:18] Voice 7: it sounds good i think the more people that put their thumbs up and says i think i think they

[3:32:22] Voice 7: narrowed it or was there a gap was there something missing um you know we missed it

[3:32:30] Voice 7: missed a demographic, missed a group.

[3:32:32] Voice 7: We know we don't

[3:32:33] Voice 7: have the First Nations

[3:32:34] Voice 7: stuff in there, but...

[3:32:36] Voice 6: Or even if they like it,

[3:32:37] Voice 6: what is it

[3:32:38] Voice 6: that they like?

[3:32:39] Voice 7: I might

[3:32:46] Voice 9: suggest even, for the sake of clarity,

[3:32:49] Voice 9: ask them for that as well. So if it said

[3:32:52] Voice 9: write feedback on the

[3:32:53] Voice 9: First Asian engagement reports

[3:32:54] Voice 9: for gaps and opportunities

[3:32:57] Voice 9: for future engagement.

[3:32:59] Voice 7: Sure. I'm excited to think

[3:33:03] Voice 7: that you want a period

[3:33:05] Voice 7: after First Nations, and then

[3:33:07] Voice 7: you said a first sentence of the LTC

[3:33:10] Voice 7: see the quest just to break that up

[3:33:19] Voice 5: we're not

[3:33:28] Voice 7: dissolving we're pausing i think that's the clear

[3:33:32] Voice 7: message to get to to them that this is just

[3:33:34] Voice 7: allow us to we get to bring the message to first nations

[3:33:38] Voice 7: that we're taking we really want to hear from them we're not going to keep barreling forward

[3:33:43] Voice 7: while we listen to them to some extent it's not unreasonable to say that in the light of new

[3:33:55] Voice 7: information absolutely i don't

[3:33:59] Voice 9: want to go too far no absolutely

[3:34:00] Voice 9: and that's actually not um

[3:34:01] Voice 9: that's so they help them understand

[3:34:05] Voice 9: but just we're on the same page i sort of see it as

[3:34:07] Voice 9: they'll have their meeting this week and then the ideas workshops on june 4th and they might

[3:34:13] Voice 9: have one meeting after that and then probably have a pause on meetings for

[3:34:25] Voice 7: I can say on your behalf that we look forward to working with them further absolutely

[3:34:32] Voice 9: without a doubt

[3:34:33] Voice 9: I make

[3:34:35] Voice 7: that motion then that's scratched up there okay

[3:34:39] Voice 9: go for it

[3:34:39] Voice 7: are you ready to do a second

[3:34:40] Voice 7: yeah

[3:34:41] Voice 9: it's made in second

[3:34:48] Voice 7: I move that the Salisbury Island Local Trust Committee request that Ganges Village Area

[3:34:52] Voice 7: Plan Task Force pause on the further development of objectives and goals while the Local Trust

[3:34:58] Voice 7: Committee works with First Nations.

[3:34:59] Voice 7: The LTC requests the task force to provide feedback on the first phase engagement reports

[3:35:08] Voice 7: for gaps and opportunities for future engagement.

[3:35:10] Voice 9: Second.

[3:35:12] Voice 7: Any discussion? All those in favor? Very unanimously. Perfect. Is there any further work on 8.1?

[3:35:28] Voice 7: I'm going to say that our next meeting then is June the 14th.

[3:35:39] Voice 6: I guess I just want to ask if LTC is comfortable for me to come in at 10 because I tell them

[3:35:48] Voice 6: that's

[3:35:48] Voice 7: fine I think that reflect on that in the construction of the next agenda

[3:35:58] Voice 7: and just plan we'll plan for that accordingly okay I don't see any does that

[3:36:04] Voice 9: work for the

[3:36:04] Voice 9: ferries being getting here yeah

[3:36:06] Voice 6: because usually you go on till past three and that could mean

[3:36:11] Voice 6: a really long day for you oh yeah yeah

[3:36:15] Voice 7: well we're lucky today we'll

[3:36:18] Voice 6: try to keep that mark

[3:36:20] Voice 7: okay is there any further business then i'll call for a german always in favor

[3:36:25] Voice 7: thank you very much thank you let's go catch the ferry thank you

[3:36:30] Voice 6: thank

[3:36:33] Voice 5: you

Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Minutes ADOPTED 1 
May 17, 2022 
  
 
Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee 
Minutes of Regular Meeting 
 
 
Date: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 
  
Location: Community Gospel Chapel 
147 Vesuvius Bay Road, Salt Spring Island
 
  
 
Members Present: Peter Luckham, Chair  
Peter Grove, Local Trustee 
Laura Patrick, Local Trustee 
 
Staff Present: 
 
Louisa Garbo, Acting Regional Planning Manager (RPM) 
Jason Youmans, Island Planner 
Geordie Gordon, Acting Island Planner 
Phil Testemale, Planner 2 (via zoom) 
William Shulba, Fresh Water Specialist 
Jenn Baddeley, Office Administrative Assistant 
Rob Pingle, Recorder 
 
Others Present: 
 
Gulf Islands Driftwood Reporter 
Gary Holman, Capital Regional District (CRD) Salt Spring Island Electoral 
Area Director  
Approximately 6 members of the public  
 
 
These minutes follow the order of the agenda although the sequence may have varied.  
 
1. CALL TO ORDER 
 
 Chair Luckham called the meeting to order at 9:31 a.m. and welcomed everyone to a meeting of the 
Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee. He introduced himself, the Trustees and staff and humbly 
stated gratitude to live and work in Coast Salish First Nations treaty and traditional territory. 
  
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 
 
It was proposed to add 9.1.2 Temporary Use Permit for staff housing, 9.1.3 Salt Spring Office Staff 
Resources, 14.3 Julian Clarke concerning Rogers Delegation Request.  
 
By general consent, the agenda was adopted as amended.
 
 
3. PREVIOUS MEETINGS 
 
3.1. Draft Minutes of the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee 
 
3.1.1. Draft Minutes of the April 19, 2022 SSI LTC Regular Meeting 

 
 
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Trustee Patrick provided the following clarifications regarding her Trustee Report: 
• Spoke to business licences required to address Short-Term Vacation Rentals that 
could be implemented by the CRD. 
• Spoke to the Thetis Local Trust Committee relationship building with First 
Nations in which she is a participant.  
 
By general consent, the minutes of April 19, 2022 Salt Spring Island Local Trust 
Committee Regular meeting were adopted as amended. 
 
3.2. Resolutions Without Meeting Report dated May 2022 
 
The reported was received. 
 
3.3. Draft Minutes of the Advisory Planning Commissions 
 
3.3.1. Advisory Planning Commission 
 
3.3.1.1. Meeting Notes of the April 7, 2022 Advisory Planning Commission Meeting 
 
The notes were received.
 
 
3.3.2. Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission - None 
 
3.3.3. Ganges Village Area Planning Task Force 
 
3.3.3.1. Draft Minutes of the April 21, 2022 Ganges Village Area Planning Task Force 
Meeting 
 
The minutes were received.
 
 
3.3.4. Housing Action Program Task Force 
 
3.3.4.1. Minutes of the April 7, 2022 Housing Action Program Task Force Meeting 
 
The minutes were received.
 
 
3.3.4.2. Draft  Minutes  from  the April  20,  2022  Housing  Action  Program  Task  Force 
Meeting 
 
The minutes were received.
 
 
3.4. Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Public Hearing Record - None 
 
4. BUSINESS ARISING FROM MINUTES 
 
4.1. Follow Up Action List dated May 2022 

 
 
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The report was received. 
 
5. COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING – None 
 
6. PUBLIC HEARING – None 
 
7. REPORTS 
 
7.1. Policy and Standing Resolutions List 
 
The report was received.
 
 
7.2. Work Program Top Priorities Report dated May 2022 
 
The report was received. 
 
7.3. Projects List dated May 2022 
 
The report was received. 
 
7.4. Applications with Status Report dated May 2022 
 
The report was received. 
 
Staff provided a verbal update on SS-DP-2018.14 regarding the referral process timeline. 
 
SS-2022-074 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request staff to extend the referral deadline 
on SS-DP-2018.14 for sixty days to allow for First Nations review. 
CARRIED 
 
Staff provided a verbal update on SS-DVP-2020.15 regarding the change of tenant for the 
property. 
 
7.5. Expense Report - None 
 
7.6. Islands Trust Conservancy Board Report dated March 2022 
 
The report was received. 
 
7.7. Salt Spring Island Watershed Protection Alliance (SSIWPA) Coordinator's Report – None 
 
7.8. Ganges Village Area Planning Task Force - Chair's Update - None 
 
7.9. Housing Action Program Task Force - Chair's Update 

 
 
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Chair Heitzman provided his regrets before the start of the meeting. 
 
8. LOCAL TRUST COMMITTEE PROJECTS 
 
8.1. Housing Action Program 
 
Acting RPM Garbo presented a staff report dated May 17, 2022 concerning the public 
engagement process and the budget constraints. 
 
There was discussion regarding the budgets available to the Housing Action Program, 
Ganges Village Planning and Protection of Coastal Douglas-fir Zones and Associated 
Ecosystems projects as well as the need to work with First Nations. 
 
SS-2022-082 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request staff to cancel the Housing Action 
Program  Public Engagement  Request For Proposal and  evaluate  resource  options  for  the 
Housing Action Program. 
CARRIED 
 
SS-2022-083 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request staff upon completion of this phase 
of engagement to pause the Ganges Village Plan project to allow the Local Trust Committee 
to explore opportunities to work with First Nations. 
CARRIED 
 
SS-2022-084 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request that the Ganges Village Area Plan 
Task Force pause on the further development of objectives and goals while the Local Trust 
Committee works with First Nations. The Local Trust Committee requests the Task Force to 
provide feedback on the first phase engagement reports for gaps and opportunities for 
future engagement. 
 
CARRIED 
 
8.2. Water Sustainability 
 
Planner Youmans and Fresh Water Specialist Shulba presented a staff report dated May 17, 
2022 regarding Proof of Water at Time of Subdivision.  
 
SS-2022-075 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That  the  Salt  Spring  Island  Local  Trust  Committee  request  staff  to  provide  the  following 
information: 
 Communication materials for the introduction of the bylaw 

 
 
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 Potential  amendments based  on  the discussion today including  5.5.14  and 
Table 1.  
CARRIED 
 
9. OTHER BUSINESS 
 
9.1. New Business 
 
9.1.1. Galiano Island Local Trust Committee Referral of Proposed Bylaw Nos. 231 & 232 
 
SS-2022-076 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request staff to respond to the 
referrals from the Galiano Island Local Trust Committee for Bylaws No. 231 and 232, 
indicating that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee’s interests are unaffected. 
CARRIED 
 
9.1.2. Temporary Use Permit for staff housing 
 
Trustee Grove spoke to the need to prioritize any future Temporary Use Permits for 
employee housing. 
 
SS-2022-077 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee request staff to prioritize Temporary 
Use Permits for employee housing. 
CARRIED 
 
9.1.3. Salt Spring Office Staff Resources 
 
Acting RPM Garbo provided a verbal update on the response management is taking to 
address the staffing vacancy and changes of late in the Salt Spring Office. 
 
10. CLOSED MEETING 
 
10.1. Motion to Close the Meeting 
 
SS-2022-078 
At 11:25 a.m., it was MOVED and SECONDED, that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust 
Committee close this meeting to the public subject to Community Charter Section 90 (1) 
• (a) personal information about an identifiable individual who holds or is being 
considered for a position as an officer, employee or agent of the municipality 
or another position appointed by the municipality; 
• (f) law enforcement, if the council considers that disclosure could reasonably 
be expected to harm the conduct of an investigation under or enforcement of 
an enactment; and, 
• (i) the receipt of advice that is subject to solicitor-client privilege, including 

 
 
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communications necessary for that purpose; and that staff be invited to remain.
 
 
 
10.2. Motion to Open the Meeting 
 
SS-2022-079 
At 11:55 a.m., it was MOVED and SECONDED, that the Salt Spring Island Local Trust 
Committee re-open this meeting to the public subject to Section 89 of the Community 
Charter.
 
 
 
The meeting recessed for a lunch break at 11:55 a.m. and reconvened at 12:05 p.m. 
 
10.3. Rise and Report 
 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee reappointed Stanley Shapiro to the Advisory 
Planning Commission for a further two-year term, effective June 1, 2022. 
 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee appointed Anne Gunn and Donald Carlson 
to the Advisory Planning Commission for a two-year term, effective June 1, 2022. 
 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee reappointed Gordon Brent Brochu-Ingram 
to the Agricultural Advisory Planning Commission for a further two-year term, effective June 
1, 2022. 
 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee reappointed Lisa Floritto and Bob Rush to 
the Board of Variance for a further three-year term, effective June 1, 2022. 
 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee thank Advisory Planning Commissioners 
Francine Carlin, Mairi Wellman, and Nancy Krieg, and Agricultural Advisory Planning 
Commissioners Zack Hemstreet and Jan Steinman for their service.
 
 
 
11. TRUSTEE REPORTS 
 
Trustee Patrick presented the following report: 
 Spoke to the Salt Spring Insights report released for the Spring of 2022 highlighting the concern 
for the lack of affordable housing. 
 Spoke to the Southern Gulf Islands Tourism Partnership virtual workshop she participated in 
regarding the housing challenges within the Southern Gulf Islands. 
 Spoke to the housing units built in the past four years and the requirements for housing moving 
forward based on the current census and the diversity in housing types required. 
 Spoke to the need for Accessory Dwelling Units to address the housing needs on Salt Spring 
Island. 
 Spoke to her attendance at a number of Trust related and Salt Spring specific meetings. 
 
Trustee Grove presented the following report: 
 Spoke to his experience in Yellowknife on a recent trip where he learned housing was a main 
concern in their community. 

 
 
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 Spoke  to  his  attendance  at  the  ground  breaking ceremony  for  the  new Lady Minto  Hospital 
emergency ward. 
 
12. CHAIR'S REPORT 
 
Chair Luckham presented the following report: 
 Spoke to his attendance at the Salish Sea conference and the significant importance of water and 
conservation especially related to the woodlands such as cedars and how it relates to streams for 
salmon. 
 Spoke to the upcoming Trust Council meeting and the work to complete the Islands 2050 project 
as well as the Governance Report. 
 
13. CRD DIRECTOR'S REPORT  
 
Director Holman presented the following report: 
 Spoke  to  the  agreement  in  principal  between  the  CRD  and  the  Fire  District  for  a  gas  tax 
contribution of $1 million to assist with the building of the new fire hall. 
 Spoke to the work towards the CRD acquiring the current Ganges Fire Hall and the need for a yes 
vote in the upcoming Fire District referendum. 
 Spoke to the work towards an operation agreement for the community compost facility which is 
near completion. 
 Spoke  to  the  release  of  the  Local  Community  Commission  (LCC)  discussion  paper  and  the 
opportunity to vote on the implementation of the LCC at the upcoming municipal election. 
 Spoke to the work to increase the number of electric vehicle charging stations on the island. 
 Spoke to the transition for CRD management of the Middle school and the high interest to use 
the space which should begin in August. 
 Spoke to the staffing changes that will allow for focused work on the harbour boardwalk. 
 Spoke to the grant provided to address the need to accommodate locums at Lady Minto Hospital. 
 Spoke to the Request for Proposal for management of the Saturday Market. 
 Spoke to the provisional budget work being done during an election year. 
 
14. CORRESPONDENCE 
 
14.1. M. Welman to LTC and staff - Dated April 8, 2022 - Concerning Advisory Planning 
Commission Resignation 
 
The correspondence item was received. 
 
14.2. SS LTC to the Honourable R. Fleming, Minister of Transportation and Infrastructure et al. - 
Dated March 23, 2022 - Concerning Ferry Terminal Road Congestion; Salish Sea Trail 
Network and; South Island Transportation Strategy 
 
The correspondence item was received. 
 
14.3. Julian Clarke – Concerning Rogers Delegation Request 
 

 
 
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The letter was received at the meeting and is included in the agenda package received at 
meeting folder. 
 
Trustee Grove spoke to the letter and the concerns of the author to agree to have M. Krenz 
of ROGERS to address the LTC before M. Krenz meets with the residents of Channel Ridge. 
 
Chair Luckham will reply to the correspondence. 
 
15. DELEGATIONS 
 
15.1. M.  Krenz,  ROGERS - Concerning ROGERS  Telecommunication  Tower Proposal  W2716 
Channel Ridge, SSI - DEFERRED TO THE JUNE 14, 2022 SS LTC MEETING. 
 
16. TOWN HALL AND QUESTIONS 
 
Chair Luckham opened the Town Hall at 12:42 p.m.   
 
A member of the public spoke to their planning experience and their concern regarding the Housing 
Action Program Request For Proposal. They felt there is less division in the community over housing 
projects at this time. They would like to have seen more action in the scope rather than research. 
 
17. APPLICATIONS AND REFERRALS 
 
17.1. SS-DP-2022.2 – K. Fergusson – Lot 7, Meyer Road, SSI 
 
Planner Testemale presented a staff report dated May 17, 2022. 
 
Applicant Kelly Fergusson thanked the staff for their work and the service to the community 
of the Trustees. 
 
SS-2022-080 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee approve issuance of Development Permit 
SS-DP-2022.2 (Lot 7, Meyer Road). 
CARRIED 
 
17.2. SS-RZ-2020.1 – Proposed Bylaw No. 525 – 1351 Mountain Road, SSI 
 
Planner Youmans presented a staff report dated May 2, 2022. 
 
SS-2022-081 
It was MOVED and SECONDED, 
That Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee Bylaw No. 525, cited as “Salt Spring Island 
Land Use Bylaw No. 355, 1999, Amendment No. 2, 2021”, be adopted (SS-RZ-2020.1, 1351 
Mountain Road). 
CARRIED 
 

 
 
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18. UPCOMING MEETINGS 
 
The next regular meeting of the Salt Spring Island Local Trust Committee is scheduled for 9:30 a.m. 
on June 14, 2022.  
 
Please see the meeting calendar on the Islands Trust website at www.islandstrust.bc.ca for current 
meeting information and location. 
 
19. ADJOURNMENT 
 
By general consent the meeting adjourned at 1:37 p.m. 
 
 
 
 
 
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Peter Luckham, Chair 
 
CERTIFIED CORRECT: 
 
 
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Rob Pingle, Recorder